[12:00] <thanatosys> so how do i fix rythymbox
[12:00] <thanatosys> is there a gstreamer thing i may be missing?
[12:00] <Seveas> install gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:00] <thanatosys> i tried lame and faad etc
[12:00] <thanatosys> oo  ok
[12:00] <synd> factotum: my main computer tho is an 12" iBook G4 1.2.. maybe partition a bit off and put ubuntu on it too lol.
[12:02] <crimsun> Guilmon: frankly, I think that's overextending oneself
[12:02] <stuNNed> crimsun: hi, how's it going? do you know how to load a custom dsdt in initrd?
[12:02] <eruin> holy bloody shit
[12:02] <stuNNed> crimsun: in hoary...
[12:02] <Burgundavia> eruin: ?
[12:02] <thanatosys> hmm seems to work now
[12:02] <thanatosys> thanks
[12:02] <eruin> take this from me: never, never, NEVER sit down in a dark room and turn on your screen with max contrast while using the milk theme
[12:02] <eruin> never.
[12:03] <eruin> it's like staring into the sun
[12:03] <dabugas> crimsun: are you the crimsun that has the archive?
[12:03] <crimsun> dabugas: for mplayer?
[12:03] <dabugas> yeh
[12:03] <crimsun> dabugas: ia32, warty only
[12:03] <dabugas> yes, that one
[12:03] <DanC> ugh! I upgraded my hoary box and lost madwifi support... now I'm using a different machine to grab the relevant linux-restricted-modules package, and I can't get the USB flash disk working.
[12:04] <Guilmon> crimsun: its a speciesist statement!
[12:04] <eruin> what's going on with hoary RC ?
[12:04] <crimsun> Guilmon: English is a "speciesist" language.  What do you propose we do about the WWW?
[12:04] <DanC> anybody got a pointer to something I can read to figure out what's *supposed* to happen when I stick a USB flash disk in my debian/ubuntu box?
[12:05] <synd> whats the main difference between hoary and warty??
[12:05] <dockane> i would like to have a "pon dsl-provider" icon on my gnome desktop. where can i read how to do this ?
[12:05] <DanC> synd, six months
[12:05] <dabugas> crimsun: i'm slowly upgrading to warty (i'm on dial-up); but thanks for a good service :)
[12:05] <dabugas> to hoary, i meant, sorry
[12:05] <eruin> and six months in the linux world is alot
[12:05] <crimsun> dabugas: np.
[12:05] <synd> DanC; should i put hoary on instread of warty?
[12:05] <Nermal> where is the correct place to put modules you want loaded at boot in you ubuntu? ie: nvidia ?
[12:06] <crimsun> Nermal: /etc/modules
[12:06] <eruin> synd: absolutely yes
[12:06] <crimsun> Nermal: though you shouldn't have to manually load nvidia.ko; nvidia-kernel-common package should take care of that
[12:06] <DanC> well, synd, no, I can't recommend hoary at this point. warty worked well for me, and i was feeling adventurous and upgraded to hoary, and I've had more trouble than I expected.
[12:07] <synd> thats what im suspecting.. i didnt do it at first since it's not finalized yet
[12:07] <dabugas> synd: newer -> better unless you have an old pc, in which case staying behind may be helpful (the win 98 vs win xp sort of thing)
[12:07] <eruin> installing hoary and upgrading to hoary is hardly the same thing
[12:08] <synd> eruin: upgrading is much simpler? less time? right?
[12:08] <socomm> Hello, how can I open port 80 on my machine?
[12:08] <Nermal> crimsun: doesn't seem to :|
[12:08] <Nermal> thx :)
[12:08] <eruin> upgrading is much simpler if you already have a warty system yes, but it also adds lots of possible problems
[12:08] <eruin> when viewed against a fresh install
[12:08] <dabugas> synd: if you know what you are doing upgrading is faster, but you may break certain things
[12:08] <sobersabre> guys... debian q. related to ubuntu...
[12:09] <Burgundavia> sobersabre: yes
[12:09] <eruin> this is why I've got my /home on a seperate partition ;>
[12:09] <rami> hello every1, a friend of mine, who doesn't know shit about computers bought an amd64, and his windows crashed and he gave it to me to format it,
[12:09] <dabugas> i'm slowly updating from warty, and a new window manager from hoary broke my sound (the gstreamer-plugins) of all things
[12:09] <Guilmon> bug 8321 created :)
[12:09] <sobersabre> i am now on sarge... and i have browsed the site, and saw not much feedback on sarge->hoary upgrade...
[12:09] <rami> so me seizing the opportunity, installed ubuntu 64
[12:09] <sobersabre> is it painfull ?
[12:09] <dabugas> so you have to be prepared to deal with these things
[12:09] <sobersabre> is hoary stable to be working on ?
[12:09] <rami> he didn't like it,
[12:10] <Burgundavia> sobersabre: never seen it done. Hoary is closer to sid than sarge
[12:10] <rami> and now when i try installing windows, it gives me the error that no hard disks were found,
[12:10] <sobersabre> Burgundavia, is it also closer to sid stability wise ?
[12:10] <husher> is there a webiste where i can browse the ubuntu package database, kinda like the gentoo-portage site?
[12:10] <Burgundavia> sobersabre: no, I would say it is closer
[12:10] <Guilmon> crimsun: english is not a speciesist language, its open to any species which wants to try to speak it.
[12:10] <rami> i go into ubuntu, and try using hda1, it is not found!
[12:10] <dabugas> sobersabre: why don't you just backup you home and re-install?
[12:10] <Burgundavia> sobersabre: make that more stable
[12:10] <lewwy> hey guys
[12:10] <rami> it's a sata hard disk, anything i should know?!?! is it now hda?
[12:10] <Burgundavia> sobersabre: hoary is about to release (april 6)
[12:10] <lewwy> someone wanna help me with a hoary network problem?
[12:11] <crimsun> Guilmon: by extension, any species can ignore the "human beings" phrase
[12:11] <folta> rami, sata stuff tends to be sda, i think
[12:11] <sobersabre> Burgundavia, i am ... afraid of all these "releases"... i am working with my laptop. sarge works. i added swsusp, and some drivers, but basically it works.
[12:11] <rami> ok thanx, i'll check now
[12:12] <socomm> Hello?
[12:12] <sobersabre> i wanted to try xorg... for the video performance
[12:12] <Burgundavia> sobersabre: hoary will be more stable than sid
[12:12] <lewwy> can someone help me with my network prob?
[12:12] <lewwy> in hoary?
[12:12] <DimGR{laptop}> what is the difference between warty and hoary?
[12:12] <lewwy> hoary is a test release
[12:12] <lewwy> the build isnt finished
[12:12] <socomm> DimGR{laptop}: Hoary is unstable.
[12:12] <DimGR{laptop}> so warty is "better" ?
[12:12] <sobersabre> lewwy, this question is redundant. ask the question!!!
[12:12] <lewwy> yeh
[12:12] <HrdwrBoB> sobersabre: development
[12:12] <HrdwrBoB> not unstable :)
[12:12] <lewwy> ask the question?
[12:12] <lewwy> ok
[12:12] <lewwy> eth1 does not work
[12:12] <lewwy> DHCP fails
[12:12] <lewwy> but it appears to have worked at one time
[12:13] <socomm> I'd like to open up port 80, any ideas how?
[12:13] <HrdwrBoB> socomm: install apache
[12:13] <lewwy> after trying for about an hour last night with someone else, it still didnt work
[12:13] <DimGR{laptop}> what do you use warty or hoary
[12:13] <Arti> DimGR{laptop}, I use hoary and everything works.
[12:13] <lewwy> hoary
[12:13] <socomm> I know that my router has port 80 open, but I get connection  refused.
[12:13] <Arti> on my laptop
[12:13] <sobersabre> lewwy, what is output of lspci of the ethernet ?
[12:13] <lewwy> hang on man
[12:13] <socomm> HrdwrBoB: Apache2 installed and running.
[12:13] <lewwy> i'll reboot
[12:13] <DimGR{laptop}> ok
[12:13] <lewwy> and hop on the other computer
[12:13] <lewwy> be back in 2
[12:13] <sobersabre> wait.
[12:13] <sobersabre> i also want to know which driver module you use...
[12:14] <dockane> doas hoary support intel speed step ?
[12:14] <sobersabre> don't forget to look for it too...
[12:14] <Arnia> dockane: Yep
[12:14] <Arnia> Works here
[12:14] <black_Nightmare> hey there
[12:14] <socomm> God damn it!
[12:15] <socomm> I hate this crap, I help everyone but get no help in return.
[12:15] <socomm> X^(
[12:15] <black_Nightmare> just wondering but...if I was to download only gnome 2.10 itself that would mean a somewhat-bare desktop except for basic programs such as Terminal/etc .. am I right?
[12:15] <black_Nightmare> socomm...poor you... :-(
[12:15] <Burgundavia> socomm: what is the issue?
[12:15] <sabmoc> socomm, whats the issue?
[12:15] <sabmoc> haha
[12:15] <sobersabre> socomm, maybe u have really difficult problems...
[12:15] <Burgundavia> damn helpful Canucks
[12:15] <eruin> black_Nightmare: yes
[12:15] <sabmoc> same thought
[12:15] <black_Nightmare> eruin..ah hm ok thanks.  is apt-get a part or optional from gnome?
[12:16] <heatwave> black_Nightmare: optional
[12:16] <Burgundavia> black_Nightmare: apt-get is part of debian
[12:16] <eruin> apt-get is a part of debian/ubuntu, in no way related to gnome
[12:16] <black_Nightmare> burgun..hmm makes me wondering if someone only got gnome - I wonder what they use to get online files with
[12:16] <black_Nightmare> :p
[12:16] <dabugas> black_Nightmare: apt-get is the "add/remove programs" capability if windows did things properly :) it has nothing to do with gnome it's part of the base system
[12:16] <sobersabre> eruin, it is related: gnome can be installed with apt
[12:16] <sobersabre> :)
[12:16] <Burgundavia> black_Nightmare: kyanptic
[12:17] <black_Nightmare> oh duh.. a bit like what synaptic was - right?
[12:17] <Burgundavia> black_Nightmare: apt also has command line and curses tools
[12:17] <Burgundavia> black_Nightmare: yes
[12:17] <eruin> black_Nightmare: synaptic uses apt
[12:17] <black_Nightmare> ty..I see now ;)
[12:17] <scizzo> socomm: ummm....trying to access something from outside of the router or inside?
[12:17] <socomm> scizzo: Inside.
[12:17] <black_Nightmare> so someone could get just gnome and still manage to figure downloading additional items themself?
[12:17] <^thehatsrule^> its better than add/remove programs.... imo
[12:17] <dabugas> black_Nightmare: yes
[12:17] <scizzo> socomm: using internal ips?
[12:17] <socomm> 69.104.17.44
[12:17] <^thehatsrule^> cause, it installes dependencies too :P
[12:17] <dabugas> ^thehatsrule^: that's why we use linux :)
[12:17] <socomm> scizzo: External Ip.
[12:17] <Burgundavia> add/remove programs sucks
[12:18] <synd> ^thehatsrule^: well no shit
[12:18] <eruin> dabugas: and better game performance
[12:18] <grogoreo> PecK, ive found out my sound problem! In Volume Control -> Switches, Capture Monitor was enabled! How stupid of me!
[12:18] <synd> burg: windows sucks, period
[12:18] <PecK> arf, still can play iTunes AAC with rythmbox, and that's true also for playing AAC music from the iPod
[12:18] <scizzo> socomm: but if you are using a router and are trying to access something behind a router?
[12:18] <sobersabre> Burgundavia, what's " add/remove programs" ?
[12:18] <PecK> grogoreo, arf :)
[12:18] <dabugas> eruin: i wouldn't know... except for mame; speaking of which, are there any frontends for mame on hoary? i haven't seen any... :(
[12:18] <eruin> mame?
[12:18] <black_Nightmare> synd...its some wonder some newer games are moving over to opengl which just seem to make it possible to port it over to linux
[12:19] <socomm> scizzo: I'm trying to access my machine, the router has port 80 forwarding for my internal IP.
[12:19] <^thehatsrule^> lol well i was just saying ;p
[12:19] <synd> thats true
[12:19] <black_Nightmare> but then I guess you can try emulate directx games with varying successes too
[12:19] <PecK> still can't
[12:19] <scizzo> socomm: well yes...
[12:19] <synd> i leave gaming to my xbox :p
[12:19] <eruin> cedega works pretty well
[12:19] <^thehatsrule^> using cedega...
[12:19] <PecK> synd :p
[12:19] <eruin> gives me better performance than windows itself :P
[12:19] <socomm> scizzo: I see that that port is open on my router, but I get connection refused when I access my machine.
[12:19] <scizzo> socomm: but if you are inside of a router....and are trying to access another machine inside...then you need to use the internal ip
[12:19] <sobersabre> socomm, i missed your problem  ...
[12:19] <dabugas> eruin: YOU DON'T KNOW MAME? (this is screaming and impolite... i'm just surprised, sorry ;)
[12:19] <mjr> black_Nightmare, well, supporting opengl (possibly in addition to directx, possibly instead) allows for targeting MacOS X too
[12:20] <eruin> dabugas: what is it? :P
[12:20] <socomm> I'm guessing that Ubuntu blocks access to that port.
[12:20] <scizzo> socomm: connecting outside of the router you will use external IP
[12:20] <socomm> http://69.104.17.44
[12:20] <synd> mjr: which is the best OS : ) imho
[12:20] <sobersabre> socomm, connection refused can be caused by: tcpwrapper, switch/router
[12:20] <mjr> black_Nightmare, so together linux and macos might be enough incentive
[12:20] <socomm> scizzo: Could you check for me?
[12:20] <garrut> socomm, you're inside, you have to use internal ip's
[12:20] <l3wwy> hey dudes
[12:20] <dabugas> eruin: mame is emulates old coin-up hardware. you can play everything from the original pacman to puzzle bobble, punisher, street fighter, etc
[12:20] <scizzo> socomm: I can access that
[12:20] <l3wwy> im lewwy
[12:20] <socomm> scizzo: All right thanks.
[12:20] <l3wwy> so who was going to help me?
[12:20] <synd> l33t0 name lewwy
[12:20] <scizzo> socomm: look...if you are inside the router...try the internal ip
[12:20] <dabugas> eruin: excellent when you have a friend over and he needs an ass-kicking :p
[12:20] <l3wwy> sorry man
[12:21] <l3wwy> my names like this cause i quit uncleanly
[12:21] <sobersabre> l3wwy, did u do your homework ?
[12:21] <socomm> scizzo: Thanks, and sorry for the harsh language.
[12:21] <eruin> dabugas: haha
[12:21] <l3wwy> homework? *shifty eyes*
[12:21] <sobersabre> lspci, lsmod
[12:21] <sobersabre> ?
[12:21] <l3wwy> im a noob so no
[12:21] <l3wwy> i'll do it now
[12:21] <scizzo> socomm: no problem....
[12:21] <l3wwy> and tell u the output
[12:21] <sobersabre> not everything... only the relevant
[12:22] <dabugas> eruin: you should really try it. you have to get roms for the game (mame just emulates the machine code) but there are really nifty fighting games around
[12:22] <synd> just a show of hands... whos gonna try out longhorn when its released?
[12:22] <l3wwy> meh
[12:22] <sobersabre> now... u talked about dhcp ... who is your dhcp server ?
[12:22] <tvelocity> synd, me... not!
[12:22] <l3wwy> synd: maybe when it comes out
[12:22] <eruin> syn-ack: not me
[12:22] <l3wwy> sobersabre: 10.0.0.138
[12:22] <eruin> dabugas: but I have cedega and the battlefield games!
[12:22] <l3wwy> sobersabre: and my network adapter is in lspci
[12:22] <eruin> and openttd!
[12:22] <dabugas> synd: i told a friend to "fuck the fuck off" when he mentioned it today. so, i don't think i'll try it. i just tried windows xp last month (for the first and last time). nothing like a good linux system
[12:22] <PecK> synd just for curiosity sake i think. it took me time, but i think i can pass win now
[12:23] <scizzo> socomm: that port opening is for accessing from outside the network....at the moment you are using a internal network...so if you where to login to another machine outside of the router then you would be able to access that IP and port.....
[12:23] <dabugas> eruin: cedega? battlefield? (now i am the fool :)
[12:23] <sobersabre> l3wwy, if it weren't there... you wouldn't have it..
[12:23] <l3wwy> oh
[12:23] <l3wwy> ok
[12:23] <scizzo> socomm: inside its always open unless you tell a firewall to block internally....or something simular
[12:23] <black_Nightmare> you know....I'm just curious but...is it difficult to run graphics from X?  (no desktops loaded that is)
[12:23] <sobersabre> l3wwy, do u have LEDs on any of the endpoints DHCP server <-> your box ?
[12:23] <synd> oh of course linux is much better.. ive been using it for 3 days now and ive already trashed xp on my main PC (no way im gonna trash OSX on my iBook tho :))
[12:23] <sobersabre> does the network card have LEDs ?
[12:23] <black_Nightmare> I've seen various dos-only picture viewer and some low-featured movie clip players so
[12:23] <l3wwy> as in data transfer lights sobersabre?
[12:23] <folta> i have some kind of dependency problem with slocate
[12:24] <dockane> where can i switch off this shocking BEEEP! (i.e. on a terminal pressed too often backspace)
[12:24] <l3wwy> on the hub i do
[12:24] <Dalk-Away> black_Nightmare, theres some apps to do so, but i dont remember their names
[12:24] <Dalk-Away> google it
[12:24] <PecK> ok who's got a perfectly working iPod - Linux system????
[12:24] <sobersabre> l3wwy, so you have a hub
[12:24] <socomm> scizzo: Thanks again.
[12:24] <sobersabre> ...
[12:24] <folta> i get the following message wheni try to install it : E: /cdrom//pool/main/s/slocate/slocate_2.7-4_amd64.deb:  subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2
[12:24] <garrut> anyone here using freenx?
[12:24] <l3wwy> yes
[12:24] <folta> does anyone know what to do?
[12:24] <l3wwy> i have a hub
[12:24] <eruin> dabugas: you haven't heard of battlefield? what if I show you this: http://www.eagames.com/official/battlefield/vietnam/us/home.jsp ? it's only the greatest gaming series in existence :P
[12:24] <sobersabre> not switch - HUB...
[12:24] <l3wwy> sobersabre its getting pretty crowded in here, wanna go privite?
[12:24] <sobersabre> yep
[12:24] <l3wwy> I have a 8-port switching hub
[12:24] <Dalk-Away> battlefield runs good on cedega?
[12:25] <black_Nightmare> dalk-away thanks anyhow.  was wondering about decidated standalone player machine
[12:25] <dockane> eruin : dc rocks the house. the only think i keep windows for
[12:25] <dockane> *thing
[12:25] <synd> PecK, if they can make an iPod port from OSX to XP.. a linux port has to be even easier
[12:25] <eruin> dockane: as in desert combat?
[12:25] <Dalk-Away> black_Nightmare, I've read some howto's written by people who used an old computer as a slideshow if thats what you ment? Perhaps theres something on www.tldp.org
[12:25] <garrut> dockane: u can use dc in linux
[12:25] <eruin> dockane: why don't you use cedega? better performance :o
[12:26] <jroes> cedega costs $$$
[12:26] <garrut> sorry, thought you meant direct connect.. :)
[12:26] <dabugas> eruin: i think i've seen this before. i don't really play games, i'm pretty old-skool. for example: reason enough to put windows up was trying out firaxis (sid meier's) pirates. i remember playing then 1989 version.... :)
[12:26] <LordC> cedega is well worth the money
[12:26] <LordC> You can always get the free CVS though
[12:26] <dockane> eruin : you have to pay for cadega monthly dont you ?
[12:26] <eruin> oh, right. I forgot. linux fanboys can't buy anything
[12:26] <eruin> :o
[12:26] <PecK> synd, everything's ready in Ubuntu, just need to play *.m4a encoded with iTunes and I can't... other solution would be converting them, but that might be as interesting as ripping it all again
[12:27] <LordC> Cedega subscription is Quaterly, and its dirt cheap
[12:27] <eruin> yeah
[12:27] <black_Nightmare> dalk..I was curious more among something like a full-fleedged movie/music player within simple parallel port "wired remote" (likewise play/stop/ff/rw and whatever I can think of to fill all I/O pins)
[12:27] <synd> PecK, i was kinda reading about PyMusique the other day...
[12:27] <black_Nightmare> and of course a reset button in red wired at rear or something in case somehow poor X crashed for no reason
[12:27] <black_Nightmare> ;)
[12:27] <dockane> LordC, quarterly means every 3 month ?
[12:27] <LordC> Yes dock
[12:27] <MidnightDevil> heya
[12:27] <PecK> synd, googling it
[12:27] <Dalk-Away> black_Nightmare, check out www.davedina.org maybe that will float your boat :)
[12:28] <LordC> Why not pay for your first quater, download/install, and unsubscribe?
[12:28] <LordC> Personally I pay for it - as its a gerat service and i can't code - so it's my way of giving something back
[12:28] <MidnightDevil> i just installed kde for ubuntu, everything's running fine, but i can't get my screen back to 1024*1280 - even when on XF86Config-4 the default dept is pointed to 1024*1280
[12:28] <LordC> great*
[12:28] <dockane> LordC, will thing of it
[12:28] <dockane> *think
[12:28] <dabugas> black_Nightmare: you are aware that if anything crashes you can switch to a terminal (ctrl+alt+f1-...) and just kill -9 it?
[12:29] <folta> if i temporarily uninstall cron, will very bad things happen?
[12:29] <synd> PecK, Apple tried to shut it down and sucessfully did.. for about a day. Then PyMusique came out with another to one-up Apple. I dont think Apple's shut that down yet
[12:29] <dockane> paying for caldega is more worth than for wow
[12:29] <black_Nightmare> dabugas..hmm even at X? (no desktops)
[12:29] <Dalk-Away> black_Nightmare, yep
[12:29] <carlitos> hi
[12:29] <dabugas> black_Nightmare: did your x server crash or a program within x?
[12:29] <carlitos> anyone knows if ubuntu warty has a package somewhere for postgresql 8?
[12:29] <Dalk-Away> black_Nightmare, ctrl-alt-f1 to f9 puts you in a fullscreen terminal, f7 takes you back to X
[12:30] <black_Nightmare> ah ok...I'll probably write that shortcut on the rear or side of the box :p
[12:30] <eruin> alt+f7 takes you back to X
[12:30] <dabugas> black_Nightmare: heh. don't worry, linux is a bit strange, but damn it! it works!
[12:30] <dockane> i am wondering if there is a programm to detach hardware from my thinkpad (dvd-rom, 2nd battery etc) ?
[12:30] <Dalk-Away> black_Nightmare, its only for when X crashes really... else you might as well just load a terminal in X
[12:30] <carlitos> hey eruin u know if postgresql8 is in ubuntu?
[12:30] <PecK> synd, PyMusique's website won't open...
[12:31] <Dalk-Away> carlitos, sudo apt-cache search postgresql8
[12:31] <synd> PecK, won't for me either.
[12:31] <dabugas> black_Nightmare: plus, you can run task such as your internet connection and/or apt-get dist-upgrade in a terminal and still be fiddling away with your xserver :)
[12:31] <PecK> synd, a quote from Dvd Jon "It is somewhat interesting from a DMCA/EUCD perspective. The iTunes Music Store actually sells songs without DRM. While iTunes adds DRM to your purchases, PyMusique does not."
[12:31] <Dalk-Away> mrph, does AMSN crash often with other people?
[12:32] <carlitos> Dalk-Away, carlitos@gfit0:~ $ sudo apt-cache search postgresql8
[12:32] <carlitos> carlitos@gfit0:~ $
[12:32] <black_Nightmare> dabugas hehe ok :p
[12:32] <dockane> is there any software to safely take away hardware from a laptop like slimline drives, batteries and so on ?
[12:32] <eruin> carlitos: no, 7.4.7 is
[12:32] <PecK> synd, the guy's a pain in the ass for the whole Big Business cartel :p Am not forgiving myself for not have known about it before!
[12:32] <carlitos> eruin, i know.. but i need 8...
[12:32] <dabugas> Dalk-Away: has X ever crashed on you? i've had xmms crash on occasion, but X is mighty hard to fuck up (ie, i've never done it and i've reaaaaly tried :)
[12:32] <Dalk-Away> that command i gave searches for a package. no output means no package.
[12:32] <black_Nightmare> the reason I was wondering about going with no desktop for a small multimedia box is so at least more ram is free to use toward movies/music
[12:32] <grogoreo> does anyone know of an MSG replacement for Linux, other than aMSN (which doesnt look very good) or GAIM (im using it now. its ok). I would like it to firsty look like a recent one and have voice and webcam capabilities (but these arent really needed, just a bonus)
[12:32] <carlitos> Dalk-Away, is it on your output of apt?
[12:32] <synd> PecK: so you're just tryin to get Ubuntu to read *.m4a, correct?
[12:32] <black_Nightmare> its only a rough idea..might not even bother trying it
[12:32] <Dalk-Away> carlitos, download a .deb file from the internet? then use dpkg -i to install it
[12:32] <dabugas> black_Nightmare:what's your system?
[12:32] <Dalk-Away> ill check
[12:33] <synd> PecK, I agree.. he's been a hassle for Apple
[12:33] <PecK> synd yeah
[12:33] <carlitos> is there one?..
[12:33] <dabugas> black_Nightmare: for the "multimedia box" you're describing
[12:33] <Dalk-Away> dabugas, X crashes every now and then for me... but almost always thats because of a game (like armyops) crashing
[12:33] <PecK> synd, plus he's the Dvd ripping guy. Not only for Apple :)
[12:33] <synd> haha, true.
[12:33] <dabugas> Dalk-Away: aaah, like i was saying to eruin, i don't really play games
[12:34] <eruin> Dalk-Away: never seen armyops crash here
[12:34] <Dalk-Away> X shouldn't crash often, if ever really
[12:34] <synd> there isnt a AAC decoder for linux?
[12:34] <Dalk-Away> unles syou overload it
[12:34] <PecK> yes, faac
[12:34] <PecK> it's installed
[12:34] <eruin> faad isn't it?
[12:34] <Dalk-Away> It's not crashed for me while using Ubuntu :)
[12:35] <synd> *.m4a is AAC.. right?
[12:35] <Roey> 349
[12:35] <Roey> who sees that
[12:35] <PecK> yeap
[12:35] <kbrooks> how can I get distutils
[12:35] <synd> but it's not reading it?
[12:35] <dabugas> Dalk-Away: X always seems to consume half my memory but the damn thing is always up... i mean, i've really tried to crash it...
[12:35] <Dalk-Away> carlitos, not in my repositories either. Check out google for a .deb package of it if you can, then dpkg -i to install
[12:35] <PecK> but in my particular case it's iTunes encoded m4a. maybe makes a difference
[12:35] <Dalk-Away> Heh, X takes ALOT of memory yeah - slows me down alot sometimes
[12:35] <synd> Aha.
[12:35] <LCACaptain> kbrooks: distutils is included with python
[12:35] <Dalk-Away> though thats mostly gnome or kde's fault
[12:35] <PecK> eruin, faad and faac I think. Have both in any case :p
[12:35] <black_Nightmare> dabugas..dunno but it'll be whatever hardware I find cheap.... any ATX board...250W or smaller ATX psu...dvd decoder pci card [cheap too] ...agp or pci vga card for at least a good movie res....realtek ethernet card [isa or pci] ....any cheap ide hd large enough...used 16x dvdrom
[12:35] <Dalk-Away> AFK
[12:35] <eruin> hmm, I never touch swap
[12:35] <synd> shoulda downloaded them with PyMusique ! : P
[12:36] <carlitos> Dalk-Away, there doesnt seems to be one..
[12:36] <eruin> you don't have much ram do you? :P
[12:36] <PecK> lol synd
[12:36] <kbrooks> LCACaptain, no it isnt
[12:36] <LCACaptain> kbrooks: you may need to install python-dev
[12:36] <jas_MHz> what is a good FTP client and server ? I like FileZilla but its not in th' apt repositories
[12:36] <grogoreo> jas_MHz, are you using Gnome?
[12:36] <housetier> jas_MHz as client I like ncftp
[12:36] <kbrooks> jas_MHz, that's because its not for linux
[12:36] <grogoreo> jas_MHz, I just use the one that comes with it
[12:36] <gratuit> jas_MHz: for a client, check out gftp
[12:36] <jas_MHz> i am using gnome
[12:37] <dabugas> black_Nightmare: look, one of the reasons worth switching from windows to linux is the dvd playback on a default warty install i got xine (xine-ui is not actually default, but use that, it's better than totem) to run DVDs without any frame-rate loss on 1024x768 on 24 bit.
[12:37] <kbrooks> housetier and grogoreo and gratuit: DUDE
[12:37] <LCACaptain> kbrooks: to install a python application, you usually use "python setup.py install" or something similar
[12:37] <synd> jas: samba ? i dunno
[12:37] <reisi> if I install development release, can I upgrade it to final when it comes out? without re-installing again?
[12:37] <PecK> well I think I've found a good solution synd :p
[12:37] <PecK> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1865.html
[12:37] <kbrooks> housetier and grogoreo and gratuit: you do know that you can use another app from any other dm?
[12:37] <grogoreo> kbrooks, what?
[12:37] <PecK> will just to do that :p
[12:37] <LCACaptain> kbrooks:distutils is a python module, not a standalone application
[12:37] <kbrooks> LCACaptain, i know Python
[12:37] <jas_MHz> sudo apt-get install gftp
[12:38] <dabugas> black_Nightmare: i have a 400 mhz amd and 256 ram. this is just borderline dvd playing capabilities for windows but linux it plays fine
[12:38] <gratuit> kbrooks: to second what grogoreo said, what?
[12:38] <synd> PecK, sounds about the only way you can do it!
[12:38] <jazzka> hi!
[12:38] <black_Nightmare> dabugas....you tell me :p  and I think a dvd decoder pci card would offset a bit of the cpu's load or am I wrong?
[12:38] <^thehatsrule^> ive played dvd's on my 333mhz with 64mb ram...
[12:38] <housetier> kbrooks please tell me more about these applications from other desktop managers...
[12:38] <kbrooks> gratuit, i'm using knode in ubuntu
[12:39] <eruin> I wish nautilus-burner could do isos
[12:39] <PecK> switched to the laptop as will run iTunes for probably the last time now :p
[12:39] <dabugas> ^thehatsrule^: not with windows, i presume... ahahahaha :)
[12:39] <jazzka> which IDS do you recommend for a normal paranoic user? (easy to use)
[12:39] <dockane> i installed a packet with synaptic when i choose from the menue -> Packet-> Configure , i get an error that libgnome2-perl is not installed. what went wrong ?
[12:39] <Pizbit> eruin: Erm, it can
[12:39] <synd> PecK, i dont think you can re-rip songs that are protected..
[12:39] <eruin> Pizbit: oh?
[12:39] <scizzo> eruin: right click and then Burn to CD?
[12:39] <kbrooks> who says I can't use another application  from kde in gnome?
[12:39] <Pizbit> eruin: You just right click on where the iso is, and tell it to burn
[12:39] <kbrooks> hmmm?
[12:39] <eruin> scizzo: you're kidding me right
[12:39] <scizzo> eruin: no
[12:39] <jas_MHz> gftp is good but what about an ftp server
[12:39] <^thehatsrule^> dabugas, actually win98... long ago
[12:39] <scizzo> eruin: try it
[12:39] <dabugas> black_Nightmare: actually i've decided that dvds play as follows: they either do or don't. the former case is linux, the latter is windows
[12:39] <synd> PecK, ie. the ones you bought from the iTMS
[12:40] <PecK> synd, all are ripped from cd's, don't think they're protected. don't have any from iTMS
[12:40] <grogoreo> does gnome have anything like k3b?
[12:40] <^thehatsrule^> you just do a cache and its fine
[12:40] <synd> oh!
[12:40] <synd> i misunderstood
[12:40] <Pizbit> grogoreo: There is gnomebaker
[12:40] <scizzo> grogoreo: graveman?
[12:40] <PecK> unless it's the default option in iTunes
[12:40] <Pizbit> grogoreo: Fairly good but it has a fair bit to go
[12:40] <dabugas> ^thehatsrule^: i'm not an insane techie or anything but to get DVDs to play in windows i had to close everything (incl. explorer) and use 640x480 16-bit.
[12:40] <synd> hmm.. but the faac wont play them?
[12:40] <eruin> lol, scizzo, Pizbit thanks for pointing that out to me.. I would've never thought of that :P
[12:40] <^thehatsrule^> LOL
[12:40] <^thehatsrule^> maybe it was my great video card hehe
[12:40] <synd> my friend runs fedora core 3 and plays AAC files
[12:40] <PecK> synd, complicated a lot for nothing then huh? still got to know about PyMusique, will be google-alert-aware to that now :p
[12:40] <^thehatsrule^> ATI 8mb <3
[12:40] <grogoreo> Pizbit, scizzo, how do they comare to k3b, cause k3b is really really good (in my opinion!)
[12:41] <scizzo> grogoreo: why not try them or look at the websites for them?
[12:41] <eruin> Grock: gnomebaker is much better imo
[12:41] <Pizbit> grogoreo: Not as fully featured, but works a lot simpler imho
[12:41] <dabugas> ^thehatsrule^: my friend you were fucking lucky, i have a (borrowed) geforce 440 mx and a (bought... spend a lot of dosh on this) TEAC DVD-R
[12:41] <scizzo> grogoreo: everything depends on how you like applications also you know...
[12:41] <gratuit> I've had problems with gnome-baker freezing while burning
[12:41] <^thehatsrule^> theres X-cdroast
[12:41] <PecK> synd was running FC3 too and still couldn't... don't get it
[12:41] <eruin> while rhythmbox (0.8.99) beats the living crap out of k3b for audio burning
[12:41] <Pizbit> grogoreo: Mainly because it's a new project
[12:41] <Pizbit> gratuit: There's no -
[12:41] <dabugas> ^thehatsrule^: and _still_ windows was just freeze-framing all over the place
[12:41] <^thehatsrule^> dabugas, did you use a cache?
[12:42] <synd> Peck, haha. but yeah, the default for encoding with iTunes is AAC. it's actually a much better format because it has better quality than mp3 and is smaller..
[12:42] <eruin> ohwell
[12:42] <^thehatsrule^> sorta like a hard-drive cache
[12:42] <dabugas> ^thehatsrule^: a bit...
[12:42] <verden01> Hi
[12:42] <eruin> I'm off to replace my aging ubuntu install with a fresh daily hoary ;)
[12:42] <^thehatsrule^> if i dont use it, then theres a slight lag
[12:42] <^thehatsrule^> but if i do, then its all fine
[12:42] <grogoreo> Pizbit, scizzo, ok, thanks guys. I'll give them a go
[12:42] <kbrooks> i wonder why the fuck apt is dling EIGHT HUNDRED NINETY-EIGHT PACKAGES
[12:42] <PecK> synd Am installing amaroK and I'll see if it works with it
[12:42] <dabugas> ^thehatsrule^: still, that shouldn't be necessary with anything above 300-400 mhz computers
[12:43] <kbrooks> i ask yall: WHY
[12:43] <PecK> kbrooks, lol
[12:43] <Pizbit> kbrooks: Hrm, that does sound like a rather large number
[12:43] <Pizbit> kbrooks: However drop the language and capital letters eh?:)
[12:43] <eruin> the answer is 46 today.
[12:43] <Pizbit> kbrooks: Got anything odd in your sources.list?
[12:44] <kbrooks> Pizbit, 898! do you believe it!
[12:44] <dabugas> ^thehatsrule^: & i'm running bloatware gnome... and still dvds play much better. the funny thing is that DVD Shrink under wine is more responsive under linux. don't get me started... grrr ;)
[12:44] <kbrooks> er
[12:44] <garrut> lol
[12:44] <kbrooks> no
[12:44] <kbrooks> nothing odd
[12:44] <kbrooks> why
[12:44] <synd> anyone use kubuntu? like the kde better than gnome?
[12:44] <Pizbit> synd: Are you sure you want to start a flame war and be called a troll?
[12:44] <kbrooks> Pizbit, no i havent
[12:45] <apokryphos> synd: right here. :)
[12:45] <PecK> i'm in love with gnome right nom synd :p
[12:45] <eruin> Pizbit: join #kubuntu
[12:45] <osity> airox: why would I not be able to use putty to login to ubuntu?
[12:45] <Pizbit> eruin: *why?*
[12:45] <eruin> it's best to keep the kde and gnome fanboys seperate
[12:45] <^thehatsrule^> dabugas, thats really weird hehe
[12:45] <gratuit> synd: to fan the flames..... fluxbox all the way, baby
[12:45] <osity> i guess hewhy would I not be able to use putty to login to ubuntu?
[12:45] <synd> Piz: not really
[12:45] <^thehatsrule^> i like fluxbox
[12:45] <apokryphos> eruin: Not really
[12:45] <Pizbit> osity: You don't have a ssh server running on ubuntu?
[12:45] <Pizbit> synd: --> #kubuntu then :)
[12:45] <synd> Piz: OSX rules them all so ; P
[12:46] <synd> Piz: thanks!
[12:46] <eruin> apokryphos: well, unless you want constant rants and raves about which DE sux and which DE rox,etc, you do ;)
[12:46] <Pizbit> synd: Ah, so you are a troll:P
[12:46] <bwlang> i need to read bytes 0x3766200 to 0x3769c48 from one file and write them out to another... anybody know how to do this?
[12:46] <Pizbit> synd: Nah, kde-look.org and look at the screen shots
[12:46] <garrut> i like my gnome desktop, haven't really used kde in years though (http://iamdebom.com/stuff/Screenshot.png)
[12:46] <dabugas> ^thehatsrule^: i used to use larswm (still a fave) or sawfish... but i've missed eye-candy so i'm sticking with gnome right now.
[12:46] <apokryphos> eruin: Erm, no. I guess you haven't seen many kde/gnome discussions in here. :)
[12:46] <synd> but kubuntu is pretty much ubuntu with KDE, right?
[12:47] <synd> thats the only difference
[12:47] <synd> ?
[12:47] <dabugas> ^thehatsrule^: but really, all versions of windows seems to bog down after a couple of months, linux always works (or doesn't... which is a pain in the ass :)
[12:47] <apokryphos> synd: that's exactly it, yes.
[12:47] <apokryphos> Different default setup
[12:47] <synd> i see.
[12:47] <jas_MHz> ANy Hoary peeps having trubl with sound in VLC - video good just no noise ( other apps have sound ) ???
[12:48] <^thehatsrule^> dabugas, hehe - its mostly because of the filesystem - if you do use it again, make lotsa partitions, one for swap too
[12:48] <^thehatsrule^> just like linux... sort of :P
[12:48] <Pizbit> jas_MHz: Chances are you need to set vlc to use esd
[12:48] <eruin> apokryphos: no, that's the scary thing... ubuntu people seem so mature
[12:48] <dabugas> ^thehatsrule^: windows or linux? i lost ya
[12:48] <PecK> jas_MHz, happened to me, played with mplayer from terminal and worked fine. Didn't solve the problem, but I enjoyed the movie just then
[12:48] <synd> yellow dog is default KDE right?
[12:49] <^thehatsrule^> dabugas, in windows lol
[12:49] <Zugot> man... i can't keep my wireless connection up
[12:49] <Zugot> this ain't cool
[12:49] <osity> pizbit....how do i turn it on?
[12:49] <PecK> what's your card? Zugot
[12:50] <Zugot> PecK, its a internal broadcom that came with my compaq
[12:50] <Pizbit> Heh, probably somewhere in vlc option, you might need to install the vlc-plugin-esd package too thouhg
[12:50] <roo_> i use ubuntu without gnome (fvwm user!) -- sound doesnt work in some apps tho (gaim, firefox) but works fine with mplayer, beep etc.
[12:50] <dabugas> ^thehatsrule^: i've been mostly running linux since '98 with a few digressions into windows. i went to windows because they work better... in the beginning. but windows is an ungrateful servant that will stab you in the back several violent and bloody times. not worth it, in my opinion.
[12:50] <roo_> im guessing its a sound daemon issue, i dont run esd.
[12:51] <Pizbit> roo_: By firefox do you mean flash?
[12:51] <jas_MHz> i'm getting a "main audio outpu couldn't set an output pipeline" error with vlc ???
[12:51] <l3wwy> crud
[12:51] <Zugot> if i could get x11 working at 1280x800 and my wireless problems fixed, i would have no more issues with my laptop in x86 mode
[12:51] <l3wwy> who was the person that was just helping me in here?
[12:51] <Pizbit> roo_: You'll need to set gaim to use alsa, flash doesn't understand alsa only esd(not sure if artsd too)
[12:51] <roo_> Pizbit, err yep, sorry that was my bad :)
[12:51] <synd> damn i wish i knew this much about ubuntu before i stripped down an old AMD Athlon 1.3GHz, 512MB, 40GB for parts
[12:51] <Zugot> when vmware 5 comes out and my vpn software works in 32 bit, i'll be able to move to amd64 ubuntu
[12:51] <sobersabre> Zugot, which wifi nic do you own ?
[12:51] <l3wwy> who was the person that was just helping me in here?
[12:51] <Zugot> its a broadcom
[12:51] <sobersabre> me
[12:52] <l3wwy> oh
[12:52] <l3wwy> sorry sober
[12:52] <Zugot> i'm using the bcmwl5 driver
[12:52] <roo_> Pizbit, ah got gaim working by using "aplay", sweet :)
[12:52] <smouche> ouch, synd.  I feel for you...
[12:52] <osity> pizbit....how do i turn n the ssh server?
[12:52] <Zugot> hmm
[12:52] <Zugot> i may have found some new drivers
[12:52] <roo_> Pizbit, flash _was_ working a few days ago in gnome so im guessing its an esd thing.
[12:52] <Pizbit> osity: Install ssh
[12:52] <folta> i  tried to enable the universe repo by uncommenting the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list, but when i open synaptic i get the error: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/gb.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) - can anyone help?
[12:52] <roo_> Pizbit, how do i enable esd outside of gnome?
[12:52] <dabugas> synd: an old WHAT?
[12:53] <Pizbit> roo_: Just run esd :)
[12:53] <osity> pizbit ......is that the command?
[12:53] <Pizbit> roo_: And then tell everything to use esd :D
[12:53] <stuNNed> how to load custom dsdt in hoary?
[12:53] <synd> lol is it socket A dabugas?
[12:53] <Pizbit> osity: Nope
[12:53] <roo_> Pizbit, woo! :D
[12:53] <alf> hellooo....does any one knows how to set up a wireless connection wiyh a usb linksys card?
[12:53] <Zugot> oops... thats a negative on the wireless drivers
[12:53] <osity> pizbit: what's the command?
[12:53] <roo_> This irc channel is really useful, thanks a lot guys.
[12:53] <roo_> :)
[12:53] <Zugot> alf, there is a ndiswrapper tutorial on ubuntulinux.org
[12:53] <Pizbit> osity: If you can't figure out how to install an SSH server you should *not* be running one.
[12:54] <osity> really?
[12:54] <synd> dabugas: well.. I have the motherboard and the athlon chip left.. i can sell it to you!
[12:54] <osity> why is that?>
[12:54] <jas_MHz> What is the IRC command to chat to 1 person without ( not /msg ) ??
[12:54] <dabugas> synd: i hope there's a hell for people like you... where you type lots and lots of confusing numbers in excel spreadsheets and then... it all gets erased... and you have to do it again.... BUWAHAHAHAHAHA! :pppp
[12:54] <alf> tkx..:)
[12:54] <Pizbit> osity: I'm too polite to say:P
[12:54] <tvelocity> jas_MHz, /notice ?
[12:54] <PecK> jas_MHz, /query maybe
[12:54] <osity> whatever dude.....what are you referring to?
[12:55] <Pizbit> jas_MHz: Just talk to people in the channel geeze.
[12:55] <synd> dabugas: lol! being a accounting/computer engineering dual major.. that day will come
[12:55] <jas_MHz> jas_MHz: ?
[12:55] <Zugot> synd, i was an accounting/comp sci major
[12:55] <roo_> osity, i think Pizbit's just saying that running an ssh server is a security concern for any user.
[12:55] <dabugas> synd: i can find cheap athlons... but i'm a rather broke college student. i rely on donations. (the computer i have is my brother's old one)
[12:55] <Zugot> then i dropped out and got a job
[12:55] <dragonbyte> does anyone have an IGP 320U working w/ 3D?
[12:56] <roo_> osity, and that if you can read docs on how to config sshd then u can also read docs on how to stay secure, which is good :)
[12:56] <dabugas> synd: i'm an english major... but i'm working as a secretary.. .that day is already here. tomorrow, in fact :(
[12:56] <osity> where is the security concern if its an internal file server? or are you assuming
[12:56] <synd> dabugas: ill send you an old celeron 600Mhz
[12:57] <roo_> osity, /usr/sbin/sshd
[12:57] <synd> lol bought it for 100$ four years ago.. i dont think its worth the shipping price now lol
[12:57] <dabugas> synd: that's quite a few Hz more than what i have
[12:57] <PecK> how sould I type the mount command to write into fstab to mount dev/hda4 that is fat 32 into /mnt/data ?
[12:57] <Zugot> when i plug my mouse in, hotplug should just pick it up.... correct?
[12:57] <Burgundavia> Zugot: yes
[12:57] <Pizbit> PecK: mount doesn't write anything into the fstab
[12:58] <Zugot> i hope my mouse wasn't doa from the store
[12:58] <PecK> been trying to find out with man for hours, but can't seem to be able to think
[12:58] <synd> dabugas: i actually yanked the 10GB HDD from that computer (its an emachines) and put it on my main PC to run ubuntu
[12:58] <jas_MHz> I installed vlc-plugin-esd but I'm still getting "oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)" -- NE ideas ??
[12:58] <synd> which im on now :)
[12:58] <PecK> Pizbit, oh. then I need to vim fstab?
[12:58] <PecK> Pizbit, in that case I'm lost too
[12:59] <PecK> lol plz
[12:59] <dabugas> synd: i'm actually quite happy with my HDs. i have a fairly old 6 GB hd which i use for my os. a hardy hd which has been around for half-a-decade without a single problem and a 20 gb for backups/dvds/mp3s/etc
[12:59] <Pizbit> /dev/hda4       /mnt/data          vfat    rw,user,auto,umask=000  0       0
[01:00] <PecK> Pizbit, you're an angel, thx. is that umask string too hard to explain? :p
[01:00] <Pizbit> PecK: Permission stuff?:)
[01:00] <Zugot> i have some mouse issues
[01:00] <Zugot> maybe i'll need to reboot
[01:00] <Pizbit> Zugot: Buy a cat!:D
[01:00] <Zugot> Pizbit, lol
[01:00] <Zugot> i'm tired of using the trackpad on this laptop
[01:01] <synd> dabugas: true. i remember the days when I first heard the word Gigbyte. I remember thinking "why the hell would anyone want a whole GB of storage?!"
[01:01] <smouche> I need an 80 gig hd just to have room for obsessive flirtations with different distros; the partitions are getting really confusing... ;-)
[01:01] <PecK> Pizbit, :) hum!!!!!!! i'll dig myself then ;)
[01:01] <roo_> can someone run:     dpkg -S `which esd`
[01:01] <roo_> and tell me output pls :)
[01:01] <dabugas> synd: ditto. those were strange times indeed. we'll be telling this stuff to our children and they won't believe us. my father used to work with punch cards. huh? who remembers THAT?
[01:01] <synd> dabugas: I was like "jeeze, i bet bill gates has like 4-5 GB on his computer!"
[01:02] <synd> so true.
[01:02] <black_Nightmare> dabugas...can I ask you something? :p
[01:02] <smouche> heh , just a month ago, I thought, "a gig for email?? are they nuts?"  now already my gmail account is about 20 percent full...
[01:03] <stu> anyone here got their IPOD to sync with ryhtmbox? I click on the IPOD button and nothing happens - looking for some pointers as I'm not getting any errors
[01:03] <dabugas> black_Nightmare: sure...
[01:03] <synd> times are a-changin
[01:03] <synd> pretty soon.. holographic memory will be readily availiable
[01:03] <roo_> Pizbit, what does dpkg -S `which esd`   give you?
[01:03] <dabugas> synd: what was your first computer?
[01:03] <dazed_> someone help? ... how come in "network:///" only my samba network shows up and not my nfs???
[01:03] <Pizbit> roo_: I don't use esd.
[01:03] <smouche> dabugas, unfortunately, I remember that.  Computer majors at my college were still using them...
[01:03] <black_Nightmare> dabugs....get some black paper (any cheap kid/drawing type can do) and cut into cards ..then build a simple circuit that uses one LED and one infraed receiver LED ......
[01:04] <osity> roo:  what do i do when im in the ssh directory
[01:04] <black_Nightmare> and have fun trying to "punch" right holes to make the circuit output what you was wanting it to do
[01:04] <black_Nightmare> ;)
[01:04] <dazed_> anyone any ideas?
[01:04] <osity> roo: apt-get sshd?
[01:04] <dragonbyte> i am trying to compile the radeon drivers but I keep getting i2c_bit_del_bus unknown symbol errors
[01:04] <dragonbyte> what am i missing
[01:04] <tvelocity> you guys read to much ./ :P
[01:05] <dabugas> black_Nightmare: heh... i'm glad i WON'T have to ever do this... but i've been through some crappy stuff with computers
[01:05] <delire> dragonbyte: /join #ati would be my advice
[01:05] <roo_> osity, apt-get install openssh-server
[01:05] <delire> dragonbyte: it's likely you don't have the right kernel headers
[01:05] <dabugas> smouche: when are you talking about?
[01:05] <osity> roo thanks ....i actually did so that last night...
[01:06] <black_Nightmare> dabugas...lololol :p
[01:06] <roo> osity, np, be sure to run it on a random-ass port and tell noone. dont run on 22 :p
[01:06] <synd> dabugas: well i remember when I was in the 1st-2nd grade we had really old school Apple's.. cant remember but they were beige (im 18 now). but the very first computer my family owned (got it back in 93) was a Packard Bell 66MHz Intel (not even pentium), 8MB RAM, 2x CD ROM, floppy, 250MB HDD
[01:06] <dabugas> black_Nightmare: what software are you using for chat?
[01:06] <smouche> dabugas:  '79, '80...
[01:06] <dragonbyte> delire: thats what I dont get, it seems to work fine with 2.6.5, but now on 2.6.11 they compile and radeon.ko gives that error
[01:06] <Pizbit> synd: Hot damn, 8MB of RAM? You lucky sod
[01:06] <synd> i know! it was 3000$ at the time!
[01:06] <Pizbit> And a HD! And a cd drive! >.<
[01:06] <smouche> actually my father taught at the first US college to require all incoming freshman to have a pc
[01:07] <roo> osity, do you run gnome?
[01:07] <dabugas> can smouche, black_Nightmare and synd please join #ld_computer_foggies ?
[01:07] <dabugas> can smouche, black_Nightmare and synd please join #old_computer_foggies ?
[01:07] <black_Nightmare> dabugas... xchat for irc on family's computer ... and as for my pc (still a bit more work to do before its fully ready) its using xchat for irc and gaim for messengering :p
[01:07] <osity> roo..I dont use gui....unfortunately I dont know how to choose ports....
[01:07] <robertj> can OOo2's base application be finagled into working with the current packages?
[01:07] <black_Nightmare> LOL dabugas :))
[01:07] <smouche> dabugas dude, I still think Pong was an awesome game.
[01:07] <delire> dragonbyte: have you grabbed the latest ati driver, unpacked it and tried a new make?
[01:07] <MidnightDevil> re
[01:07] <dabugas> can smouche, black_Nightmare and synd please join #old_computer_foggies ?
[01:08] <PecK> synd, no results with amarok either
[01:08] <synd> PecK: dang.
[01:08] <roo> osity, edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and change the port number in there.
[01:08] <smouche> somebody debug dabugas's keyboard please.
[01:08] <delire> dragonbyte: i use 2.6.10, so have not encountered this error. search for that error in http://google.com/linux
[01:08] <synd> PecK: when my buddy signs on.. ill ask him about AAC
[01:08] <PecK> synd, indeed. iTunes mp3 reencode. oh, unless that :)
[01:08] <Kirsch> hey guys, when i close my laptop and open it, xscreensaver asks for my password yet xscreensaver isn't configured for it
[01:08] <Kirsch> i'm using hoary
[01:08] <delire> dragonbyte: that's a very recent kernel, it's possible ati hasn't caught up
[01:09] <PecK> Kirsch, don't think it's Xscreensaver that's doing it
[01:09] <dragonbyte> delire: ati is a bunch of...well yeah...dri.freedesktop.org is where it came from
[01:09] <dragonbyte> delire: apparently i may need i2c support in kernel
[01:09] <Kirsch> PecK: what is it then?
[01:09] <dazed> Hey people i have a problem with xmms ... it loads up then exits immediately anyone have any ideas?
[01:09] <Kirsch> dazed: have u run it with strace ?
[01:10] <MidnightDevil> guys, on synaptic when i click something to be removed, there are some dependencies like kubuntu-desktop and alike, is it still safe to remove them?
[01:10] <nuge> dazed, are you running it from the command-line, does it say anything in the terminal ?
[01:10] <dazed> Kirsch: i dunno what strace is nor how to do it?
[01:10] <roo> i dont have the "esd" binary installed, which package is it in?
[01:10] <roo> someone please run  dpkg -S `which esd`   :(
[01:10] <Kirsch> dazed: strace xmms, see what/if what it crashes on
[01:10] <dazed> nuge: libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:10] <PecK> Kirsch, wouldn't know the name of the thing, but maybe something related to power management
[01:10] <dazed> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[01:10] <PecK> and recovery
[01:11] <nuge> dazed, that sounds like something worth googl'ing
[01:11] <Kirsch> hmm...
[01:11] <dazed> okie dokie nuge
[01:12] <MidnightDevil> guys, on synaptic when i click something to be removed, there are some dependencies like kubuntu-desktop and alike, is it still safe to remove them?
[01:14] <eruin> eek, the aa-fonts in hoary standard sure arent as pretty as they were in my last install
[01:14] <eruin> :/
[01:14] <eruin> now if I could only remember what I did to modify that :P
[01:14] <grogoreo> is it supposed to be cool to have a Microsoft Certification? http://global.msads.net/ads/53432/0000053432_000000000000000142630.jpg
[01:15] <nuge> eruin really? damn, they looked pretty good to me
[01:15] <eruin> well
[01:15] <eruin> mine looked even better
[01:15] <eruin> :p
[01:15] <eruin> I think its gotta be the hinting setting
[01:15] <nuge> well if you figure it out, hook me up with a screenshot if ya can :)
[01:15] <MidnightDevil> is my question that hard?
[01:15] <MidnightDevil> lol
[01:15] <eruin> if you choose full hinting in the gnome font settings dialog, it doesnt get saved
[01:15] <eruin> only medium gets saved :/
[01:16] <mjr> grogoreo, well, at least it proves you're certifiable
[01:16] <grogoreo> MidnightDevil, yes its fine
[01:16] <grogoreo> MidnightDevil, you can allways reinstall them
[01:16] <folta> i need to find the kernel-headers package corresponding to  2.6.10-4-amd64-generic - anyone know where it is?
[01:16] <dabugas> apokryphos: giati apokrivese?
[01:17] <apokryphos> dabugas: na min me doune :D
[01:17] <grogoreo> folta, http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/devel/linux-headers-2.6.10-4-amd64-generic
[01:17] <folta> they just seem to go up to 2.6.9-9
[01:17] <apokryphos> dabugas: dika mou apokrypha! :P
[01:17] <dabugas> apokryphos: aha. diladi apokriveis tin parousia sou gia na min theathei?
[01:17] <MidnightDevil> ok, thanx :)
[01:17] <folta> thanks grogoreo, how do i install that?
[01:18] <infidel> will i have to do anything special after i install xfce or kde to get the desktop to come up
[01:18] <apokryphos> dabugas: Den to skeftika (to onoma) poly. Oti nane. ;)
[01:18] <dabugas> apokryphos: aha. apo pou eisai kai pou eisai?
[01:18] <grogoreo> folta, hmm dont really know. I only did a google for it!
[01:19] <grogoreo> folta, try synaptic maybe
[01:19] <nuge> isn't there a package? should be able to find it in synaptic
[01:19] <folta> grogoreo, that's the thing, i can't find anything that recent
[01:19] <folta> i need it to install this wireless card driver thing
[01:20] <grogoreo> folta, ive just tried to download it from that link but none of the download links seem to be working
[01:20] <nuge> folta is there a 64-bit driver? or do you have to use ndiswrapper
[01:20] <grogoreo> folta, http://higgs.djpig.de/cgi-ubuntu/download.pl
[01:20] <folta> nuge, the driver for it is open source so it works whatever
[01:20] <nuge> i just got this laptop and will have to put wireless on it sometime today (amd64)
[01:20] <osity> roo: it says not using locking for readonly lock file...
[01:20] <infidel> folta, what card?
[01:20] <osity> how do i know if its already installed
[01:20] <roo> osity, are u running it using sudo?
[01:21] <osity> ooops
[01:21] <osity>  :)
[01:21] <roo> :p
[01:21] <infidel> folta, i'm on wireless right now
[01:21] <nuge> infidel, 64-bit os?
[01:22] <osity> it's going now...with a bunch of post drop warnings
[01:22] <folta> infidel, it's one with an ralink rt2500 chipset
[01:22] <osity> I think I already installed it....i could ssh in but could not edit anything.
[01:23] <grogoreo> folta, did you install the 64bit version of Ubuntu?
[01:23] <osity> yesterday...
[01:23] <folta> grogoreo, yep, i used the amd-64 iso
[01:23] <roo> osity, talking to me?
[01:23] <folta> grogoreo, that's why my kernel  version is amd64-generic at the end
[01:23] <osity> ya
[01:24] <osity> i was
[01:24] <infidel> folta, i wasn't here for the first part, was there a driver installed
[01:24] <roo> osity, good practise to put someone's full nick in front of a msg, just so its clear.
[01:24] <dazed> hey whats it mean when it says "Not starting NFS daemons: No exports" what do i need to get?
[01:24] <roo> dazed, have u set up /etc/exports ?
[01:24] <folta> infidel, i'm fairly sure that the driver isn't installed, though i could be wrong - how can i check that?
[01:24] <grogoreo> dazed, i think it means that you've not got any folders shared
[01:25] <infidel> lspci -v
[01:25] <roo> dazed, grogoreo is right you need to create or edit /etc/exports and share some directories
[01:25] <dazed> grogoreo: i have a folder shared but its shared via samba i dunno how to change it to nfs
[01:25] <grogoreo> you using hoary?
[01:26] <dazed> roo: ^
[01:26] <dazed> warty
[01:26] <osity> roo: thanks for the tip
[01:26] <infidel> do you see the card? if so try lsmod to check the driver
[01:26] <roo> osity, np and thats better :)
[01:26] <dazed> i know how to change it on hoary
[01:26] <dazed> but not on warty
[01:26] <osity> roo: why would i be getting tonnes of postdrops warnings....?
[01:26] <PecK> synd, any news from ur friend? :p
[01:26] <roo> osity, ive never had those, google?
[01:26] <osity> ok
[01:27] <roo> osity, google the exact messages/warnings ur getting, something will come up im sure.
[01:27] <tsaphah> sometimes Gnome is real refreshing compared to KDE.
[01:27] <roo> dazed, how would u change it in warty?
[01:27] <dazed> roo: im in exports what would an example look like to add?
[01:27] <grogoreo> dazed, http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id;1795587325;fp;512;fpid;1783981662
[01:28] <dazed> roo: in hoary all you do is right click and click on sharing and u can change samba or nfs u cant do that on wary
[01:29] <roo> dazed, the following line:   /home/roo/share lappy(rw,sync)
[01:29] <stu> anyone here got their IPOD to sync with ryhtmbox? I click on the IPOD button and nothing happens - looking for some pointers as I'm not getting any errors
[01:29] <roo> dazed, will share the folder /home/roo/share to client "lappy"
[01:29] <roo> dazed, google for nfs exports, plenty of info there dude.
[01:29] <MidnightDevil> how do i mount a nt share on a server?
[01:30] <grogoreo> MidnightDevil, SAMBA
[01:30] <roo> MidnightDevil, samba
[01:30] <roo> oops
[01:30] <MidnightDevil> ok, i just apt-get install samba
[01:30] <MidnightDevil> it installed
[01:30] <dazed> roo: the deal is i have a hoary laptop and warty comp...and on my warty pc i cant see any NFS folders whats the deal with that?
[01:30] <MidnightDevil> now, i used to type mount -t smbfs -o username=blabla,password=blabla //server/share /mnt/server
[01:30] <MidnightDevil> but it says "wrong fs type"
[01:31] <MidnightDevil> or "bad option"
[01:31] <roo> MidnightDevil, have u read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba ?
[01:31] <grogoreo> why not use GNOME to mount it?
[01:31] <LeeJunFan> MidnightDevil: apt-get install smbfs
[01:31] <MidnightDevil> oh ok!
[01:31] <MidnightDevil> im running kde
[01:31] <MidnightDevil> roo, i havent, this is the way i used to do
[01:31] <grogoreo> MidnightDevil, ah ok sorry
[01:31] <MidnightDevil> thank you roo, and LeeJunFan
[01:31] <LeeJunFan> MidnightDevil: you can use kde/konqueror also in location smb://server/share
[01:32] <MidnightDevil> even if its on a domain ?
[01:32] <roo> konqueror's smb support rocks :)
[01:32] <LeeJunFan> MidnightDevil: as long as your machine is on the same subnet it should work.
[01:32] <roo> dazed, have u managed to start the nfs service?
[01:32] <MidnightDevil> ok :) trying apt-get install smbfs
[01:32] <dazed> i dont believe so
[01:32] <dazed> ill look it up though roo i have to goto class now thanks for the info
[01:33] <grogoreo> dazed, have you had a read of that link i said?
[01:33] <roo> dazed, ok, im pretty sure ur just missing one line in /etc/exports, dont give up
[01:33] <MidnightDevil> oh oh
[01:33] <dazed> ok thanks
[01:33] <osity> would you guys recomment ubuntu as a file server?
[01:33] <delire> dragonbyte: yeah compile the kernel with i2c support. it's there under 'drivers'. i have it as a module.
[01:33] <MidnightDevil> cli_negprot: SMB signing is mandatory and we have disabled it.
[01:33] <MidnightDevil> 12138: protocol negotiation failed
[01:33] <MidnightDevil> SMB connection failed
[01:33] <MidnightDevil> I think I need to specify the domain
[01:33] <MidnightDevil> lol
[01:33] <l3wwy> ok
[01:33] <roo> osity, depends very much on the specific requirements of the file server. intra/internet server?
[01:34] <dragonbyte> delire: yeah working on that
[01:34] <l3wwy> so anyone here can help me setup a network connection on ubuntu?
[01:34] <dragonbyte> Delgul: trying to figure out what all i2c stuff i need
[01:34] <l3wwy> i want eth2 to work correctly using DHCP but its not
[01:34] <l3wwy> all the drivers are loaded
[01:34] <dragonbyte> delire: was meant for you even :)
[01:34] <kbrooks> osity, would we!
[01:34] <dragonbyte> brb
[01:34] <kbrooks> osity, uhhh.
[01:34] <kbrooks> osity, *thinks*
[01:34] <kbrooks> osity, yeah
[01:36] <l3wwy> so can anyone help me get my eth2 DHCP connection working?
[01:36] <black_Nightmare> brb for supper :p
[01:36] <l3wwy> in hoary?
[01:36] <roo> l3wwy, whats the problem?
[01:36] <l3wwy> i have eth0, eth1, and eth2
[01:36] <l3wwy> eth0 is screwed
[01:36] <l3wwy> eth1 is currently inactive
[01:37] <l3wwy> and eth2 does not pick up any dhclient stuff
[01:37] <osity> i want to use it as a local box to store files on so everyone can access thats it...
[01:37] <l3wwy> when i plug the net cable into eth1 too
[01:37] <l3wwy> the same thing happens
[01:38] <roo> osity, im sure it'd be fine for that.
[01:38] <l3wwy> so roo, can u help us?
[01:38] <roo> l3wwy, so none of the interfaces work?
[01:38] <l3wwy> well they're there
[01:38] <roo> l3wwy, thats a good start.
[01:39] <roo> l3wwy, u got access to the machine now?
[01:39] <l3wwy> mii-tool picks it up as having a link beat
[01:39] <l3wwy> yeh
[01:39] <l3wwy> right next to me
[01:39] <l3wwy> roo go private?
[01:39] <numb> i'm having a problem with ubuntu, after sometime using it it appears that the filesystem is read only, can anyone help me?
[01:41] <osity> roo:  it would appear that i can ssh....so what would stop me from modifying stuff?  i can only browse...
[01:41] <roo> osity, _what_ are you browsing? you wont have permissions unless you're browsing your own stuff.
[01:41] <osity> roo: many I should create a administrator
[01:42] <osity> roo:i am using winscp to ssh in
[01:42] <roo> osity, u need to create an account on the server for yourself, like "user1" or something
[01:42] <roo> osity, then log in with that user
[01:42] <osity> roo: how about an admin user?
[01:42] <roo> osity, yes, that would work, the setup is down to you.
[01:42] <osity> ok....
[01:43] <osity> :)
[01:43] <roo> osity, u need to think about security tho, which someone tried to tell u earlier.
[01:44] <osity> roo:on an internal file server? we have 5 employees
[01:44] <osity> roo: what security do you mean?
[01:44] <l3wwy> yes, but one could be a l33t warez hoster!
[01:44] <osity> hehe
[01:45] <roo> osity, sshd is a daemon. its good practise to think about security whenever running any daemons.
[01:45] <l3wwy> i dont tend towards thinking about security
[01:45] <l3wwy> if anyone wants the crap on my puter
[01:45] <l3wwy> they can have it
[01:46] <osity> roo: point....taken....what do you suggest?
[01:46] <roo> osity, suggest about what?
[01:46] <l3wwy> suggest security
[01:46] <l3wwy> what means of security
[01:47] <l3wwy> i'd say 256bit encryption
[01:47] <roo> osity, if you're gona run a server u need to know about these things anyway, right?
[01:47] <l3wwy> 256 SSL
[01:47] <Yomic> Does anyone know where I can find information about hardware manipulation? (with information like www.i-hacked.com has)
[01:47] <gratuit> l3wwy: until they use your puter as a means for downloading kiddie porn, and then the feds bust in arresting you
[01:47] <roo> osity, so google and look on http://www.tldp.org/
[01:48] <l3wwy> famous last words "It wont happen to me"
[01:48] <gratuit> security is always something to think about
[01:48] <acidspoon> how can i install jre under ubuntu?
[01:48] <l3wwy> yeh
[01:48] <l3wwy> well when i get hax0red i'll secure my PC
[01:48] <felicitas> hallo
[01:48] <Fackamato> use 65536 bit encryption instead, with passwords length of 5000 characters, including !"##&?= and numbers and different lower/UPPER case
[01:48] <roo> ^ lol
[01:49] <Yomic> :D
[01:49] <felicitas> is there a unbuntuchannel in german?
[01:49] <l3wwy> shizenhizen?
[01:49] <Fackamato> no, you have to learn english and speak it
[01:49] <mjr> acidspoon, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:49] <gratuit> #ubuntu-de?
[01:49] <andrewski> felicitas: yes ^^
[01:49] <roo> felicitas, welkommen
[01:49] <felicitas> i can speak english
[01:49] <acidspoon> yes felicitas: #ubuntu-de
[01:49] <roo> :p
[01:49] <l3wwy> konochiwa
[01:49] <Yomic> konnichi wa ;)
[01:49] <felicitas> but i dont like to realy
[01:50] <felicitas> its difficult
[01:50] <l3wwy> lets teach him!
[01:50] <l3wwy> hello felicitas
[01:50] <eruin> anyone know how to play wmvs with totem (not totem-xine) ?
[01:50] <l3wwy> my name is "lewwy"
[01:50] <felicitas> especially if i have questions to untu
[01:50] <felicitas> i would like to install it
[01:51] <felicitas> but i dont know much about it
[01:51] <mjr> eruin, no go if there's no free codec for the stuff; AFAIK, there is no gstreamer plugin for proprietary windows codecs
[01:51] <earthen> I just installed the GStreamer-player via apt-get but now i can't find it to use it, can some one tell me hoe to get it started
[01:51] <felicitas> at the moment ihave kanotix
[01:51] <eruin> mjr: curses
[01:52] <l3wwy> earthen: try going to the terminal and typing gstreamer and keep hitting tab
[01:52] <felicitas> so does any of you speak german?
[01:52] <Fackamato> no
[01:52] <felicitas> shit
[01:52] <earthen> it doesn't do anything
[01:53] <l3wwy> what about GStream *tab*
[01:53] <earthen> all i get is gstreamer-properties
[01:54] <roo> earthen, in synaptic find gstreamer-player and right click > properties > installed files tab
[01:54] <mjr> I think it might be gst-player
[01:54] <roo> earthen, should see something in /usr/bin
[01:54] <roo> earthen, that'll be ur player
[01:55] <mjr> but really, gst-player isn't much of one; if you want to play stuff with gstreamer, totem-gstreamer is a better choice
[01:55] <roo> ^ earthen, what he said
[01:55] <eruin> rhythmbox
[01:55] <earthen> well my problem is actully  that i'm trying to get MP3 playback to work
[01:55] <eruin> oh
[01:56] <earthen> but everything i try doesn't seem to work
[01:56] <eruin> earthen: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:56] <eruin> see the mp3 section
[01:57] <eruin> (ie read point 1, 2 and 6
[01:57] <earthen> I've read that a few time and did what it says but still no go
[01:57] <earthen> every time i try and play a MP3 it crashes
[01:57] <eruin> earthen: put your /etc/apt/sources.list on pastebin.com
[01:58] <eruin> oh, what kind of crash?
[01:58] <eruin> anny error msg?
[01:58] <earthen> program just crashes out  like mplayer , music player what ever i try to use
[01:58] <earthen> no error message
[01:59] <jaslor_MHz> earthen I was having loads of problem on hoary with streaming mp3 ( on warty no probs ) but the eventually the gnome music player works fine 4 me ( Applications Menu --> Sound and Video)
[01:59] <Zugot> acpi is kicking my butt
[01:59] <eruin> hmm
[02:00] <eruin> I've _just_ installed hoary from the 28th march cdimage
[02:00] <earthen> I'm useing hoary also
[02:00] <earthen> but nothing works
[02:00] <jaslor_MHz> I can't get sound out of any movie with any player - totem vlc etc all quiet ? any ideas ??
[02:00] <eruin> all I did was install gstreamer0.8-mad and everything works great :o
[02:00] <earthen> could you give me the steps you took to get it to work
[02:00] <eruin> I made sure universe and multiverse were enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list, then ran apt-get update, then apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:01] <earthen> mmm i installed gstreamer0.8-mad also is there any other thinhg i need to do after i instal it
[02:01] <eruin> that's all I've done after the install finished, and I'm playing my sweet mp3s through rhythmbox
[02:02] <earthen> I've installed rhythmbox also and now i can't find that eather
[02:02] <earthen> lol
[02:02] <eruin> rhythmbox is supposed to be installed automatically :/
[02:03] <eruin> eruin@lorien:~/cedega $ dpkg -i cedega_4.3-1_i386.deb
[02:03] <earthen> if i try and start rhythmbom music player starts instade
[02:03] <eruin> :D
[02:03] <eruin> "music player" ?
[02:03] <earthen> yeah
[02:03] <eruin> that's rhythmbox' name in the gnome menu atleast
[02:03] <black_Nightmare> back now
[02:04] <jaslor_MHz> how to install audio codecs with apt ??
[02:04] <eruin> earthen: what if you run gstreamer-properties ?
[02:04] <earthen> ok so rhythmbox  is Music Player is that it
[02:05] <stu> hi need help with mounting a windows partition: I mounted using mount -rw /dev/hdd1 /media/data and can read the file system, but cannot write to it - even as root. If I try chmod I get chmod: changing permissions of filename: Read-only file system
[02:05] <earthen> I get the box come up "Mulitymedia systems selector"
[02:05] <SiRrUs> good evening
[02:05] <eruin> earthen: what is it set to?
[02:05] <folta> i'm trying to configure /etc/network/interfaces for a wireless card, anyone available to help?
[02:05] <eruin> press the first test button
[02:05] <stu> infact, I can only browse the file system as root, cant browse it with another user
[02:05] <earthen> output = ESD output = OSS
[02:05] <earthen> input =oss sorry
[02:06] <eruin> does the test button work?
[02:06] <jaslor_MHz> anyone know of the package name for audio codecs ??
[02:06] <stoneguy3> stu - that's the problem I've been talking about in the forums
[02:06] <stu> which forums?
[02:06] <stu> if you have an answer   - give me the URL please
[02:06] <stoneguy3> the ubuntu forums
[02:07] <eruin> stu: /dev/sda2       /media/data     vfat    users,umask=000                 0      0
[02:07] <eruin> there you go
[02:07] <earthen> mmmm no they don't
[02:07] <eruin> put that in your /etc/fstab stu
[02:07] <eruin> earthen: what about OSS?
[02:07] <eruin> earthen: I just realized esd doesnt work for me either
[02:07] <stu> sda2 is a different partition on a different drive
[02:07] <earthen> guess it my sound card that is not working then ups!
[02:07] <eruin> stu: replace it with what you use of bloody course :P
[02:07] <stu> lol k
[02:07] <geneo93> eruin:  you also need a mount point
[02:08] <eruin> yeh, sudo mkdir /media/data
[02:08] <stu> done that bit
[02:08] <eruin> I'm pretty sure he knows that
[02:08] <eruin> yeah ;9
[02:08] <earthen> nothing works
[02:08] <eruin> earthen: I'm at loss
[02:08] <eruin> sorry :/
[02:08] <geneo93> then mount -a
[02:08] <osity> dohow do i chmod so that everyone can access a file?
[02:09] <eruin> osity: 644
[02:09] <eruin> readwrite/read/read
[02:09] <earthen> eruin maybe my sound card is't working
[02:09] <earthen> i though it was because the volume slider was working
[02:10] <stu> eruin, mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd1,
[02:10] <osity> so i type:  chmod 644 filename
[02:10] <osity> ?
[02:10] <eruin> osity: yes
[02:10] <Servo888> Ok is there some sort of bug with apt-get xine-ui? I get   xine-ui: Depends: libxine1 (>= 1-rc3a) but it is not going to be installed | When I try to apt-get libxine1 it needs libmodplug0, so I apt-get libmodplug0, but it needs libxine1... wtf
[02:10] <earthen> I'm gonna reboot and make sure the onboard sound is disabled
[02:10] <osity> and for just the owner?
[02:10] <stu> this may well be NTFS thinking abou tit
[02:11] <stu> gonna change fstab to ntfs
[02:11] <felipe_> Got the CDs today!!
[02:11] <eruin> stu: I thinkt he same should work for that - don't hold me to that though ;) - never used ntfs
[02:11] <stu> ah that mounted
[02:11] <eruin> osity: that chmod will give owner read/write, group read, others read
[02:11] <felipe_> But the liveCD didnt get internet connection
[02:12] <felipe_> Besides it was hard to make it boot right
[02:12] <eruin> osity: also check that the folder it's in is readable
[02:12] <osity> thanks
[02:12] <stu> eruin, sweet got it sorted thanks - will it automount now that its in fstab?
[02:12] <eruin> stu: yeah ;)
[02:12] <stu> ok, now what about mounting an ISO image?
[02:12] <stu> is there a gnome utility ?
[02:12] <felipe_> On knoppix I would go fb1024x768 and thats all...What is the ubuntu's equivalent?
[02:13] <eruin> stu: not that I know of, but you could do this
[02:13] <eruin> mount -t iso9660 -o loop /path/to/iso.iso /mountpoint
[02:13] <eruin> methinks
[02:14] <stu> whats -0 loop mean ?
[02:14] <eruin> output to the loopback device
[02:14] <eruin> don't ask me for more :P
[02:14] <crimsun> -o == option
[02:14] <eruin> that's just what I'm told ;)
[02:16] <felipe_> Could anyone help me w/ the LiveCD?
[02:16] <osity> ok ....how do i create an admin account?
[02:17] <geneo93> mount -o loop -t iso9660 debian-sid.iso /media/isoimage/
[02:17] <folta> woohoo! i configured the wireless card!
[02:17] <folta> the graphical interface is a real help
[02:17] <osity> can i be done in the GUI?  ( administrator account?)
[02:17] <folta> now i can get this computer up the stairs:)
[02:17] <eruin> osity: root you mean.. been disabled in ubuntu
[02:18] <eruin> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:18] <eruin> more there
[02:18] <osity> erin ...ya that's what i mean...i want it...
[02:18] <stu> wow mounting that ISO killed my machine's performance
[02:18] <eruin> stu: pentium90? :P
[02:18] <folta> maybe login as root and hit startx?
[02:18] <osity> eruin
[02:18] <stu> athlon 2000
[02:18] <osity> ; can it be done in the GUI?
[02:18] <stu> 4.3GB iso
[02:18] <eruin> osity: no, not that I know of
[02:19] <osity> eruin: thank-you
[02:19] <geneo93> osity:  sudo passwd root
[02:19] <eruin> osity: if you run "sudo passwd", you can set the password for it
[02:19] <eruin> meh
[02:19] <eruin> what geneo93 said
[02:19] <eruin> ;>
[02:19] <stu> you could add a user to the root group I think
[02:19] <eruin> nah
[02:19] <stu> not advised if that is possible
[02:19] <eruin> what's checked for in root-operations is the uid of 0 methinks
[02:20] <stu> what about adding the user to the sudoers list then using sudo for the stuff he needs to do
[02:20] <eruin> that _should_ be done by default
[02:20] <geneo93> yeah its not good to login to root with gfx ebviroment
[02:21] <stu> hmm my, what would be in windows taskbar has crashed
[02:21] <JDahl> The latest version of Evolution in Hoary seems to create 'New message' windows that are much to high to fit inside the X window. Did others observe this also?
[02:21] <eruin> lemme check
[02:22] <stu> oh ffs
[02:22] <stu> now the top thing has crashed to
[02:22] <eruin> nah, they open quite small here on a fresh hoary install with all updates
[02:22] <JDahl> eruin, odd... my install is a week old, and I just updated
[02:23] <andril> hello all
[02:23] <geneo93> JDahl:  mines fine
[02:23] <eruin> JDahl: I installed half an hour ago and just dist-upgraded ;)
[02:23] <earthen> Eruin I rebooted (my builtin sound card was enabled my mistake) I removed it i now have sound in ubuntu but can still not play any music
[02:23] <andril> any good audio players for ubuntu?
[02:24] <stu> rythmbox
[02:24] <mjr> I like rhythmbox just fine
[02:24] <stu> er rhythmbox
[02:24] <eruin> rhythmbox and muine are both great
[02:24] <geneo93> i prefer xmms
[02:24] <eruin> earthen: I'm not really too good at solving sound issues
[02:24] <stu> bleh xmms
[02:24] <eruin> gstreamer makes my head spin
[02:24] <eruin> :/
[02:24] <andril> what's the preferred format?
[02:24] <eruin> flac
[02:24] <osity> eruin: I can set the password for what by typing sudo root
[02:24] <eruin> :D
[02:24] <osity> ?
[02:24] <stu> earthen, what sound card?
[02:24] <eruin> "sudo passwd root", osity
[02:25] <eruin> you'll then be prompted to set the root password
[02:25] <osity> so do i still need to go through that page?
[02:25] <stu> actually ignore that I only know how to get nvidia sound working
[02:25] <eruin> not really, probably a good read though
[02:25] <stu> "webmin"
[02:25] <nmsa> gday
[02:25] <earthen> thanks for you time anyway eruin
[02:26] <stu> hey you know the thing at the top where the menus are and the thing at the bottom where the application which are running are - what are they called, I wanna kill em and restart em if possible
[02:26] <eruin> oh yay, nvidia's site is broken :o
[02:26] <osity> eruin: so what will my root username be?   root?
[02:26] <eruin> osity: yes
[02:26] <osity> :)
[02:26] <eruin> basically your user is currently an administrator anyway though
[02:26] <nmsa> I have a problem with my upgrade, it's stuck @ pcmacia package upgrade
[02:27] <nmsa> Setting up dselect (1.10.27ubuntu1) ...
[02:27] <nmsa> (Reading database ... 64201 files and directories currently installed.)
[02:27] <nmsa> Preparing to replace pcmcia-cs 3.2.5-8ubuntu5 (using .../pcmcia-cs_3.2.5-8ubuntu6_i386.deb) ...
[02:27] <eruin> you can do pretty much everything you can do as root through the sudo command
[02:27] <nmsa> can someone help please
[02:27] <stu> eruin, what did you need from the nvidia page?
[02:27] <stu> er site
[02:27] <eruin> stu: the nvidia drivers ;)
[02:28] <eruin> downloading now
[02:28] <stu> ah ok, was gonna dcc
[02:28] <eruin> its just that they had a big flash crapper above the drivers link
[02:28] <eruin> :P
[02:28] <eruin> ontop of*
[02:28] <stu> can I send a command from one shell (or whatever its called ctrl+alt+f1,f2 etc_ to another? I closed gnome-panel and I need to restart it
[02:29] <stu> but cant access any menu's - cos they aint there
[02:29] <Servo888> what the hell... mplayer-386 depends on several libraries, the doesn't apt-get install them?...
[02:29] <stu> have you modified your sources.list ?
[02:30] <Burgundavia> eruin: the nvidia drivers are in the repos
[02:30] <l3wwy> hooray...30 mins till i have wine... :rolleyes:
[02:30] <eruin> Burgundavia: not the version I like to use
[02:30] <Burgundavia> ok
[02:30] <Dalk-Away> stu, as far as I'm aware you cant send a command from one TTY to another
[02:30] <stu> any idea on getting a shell up in this X window?
[02:31] <Dalk-Away> What's happened?
[02:31] <stu> other than ctrl-atl-bkspace
[02:31] <stu> rhythmx box crashed and took gnome-panel with it
[02:31] <nmsa> stu: to send commands you have to used something like console, (I may be wrong) ...
[02:31] <stu> so I dont have any menu's etc
[02:31] <stu> so I cant start a shell, to restart gnome-panel
[02:31] <Dalk-Away> swtich to another TTY?
[02:31] <stu> yeah - but only one tty can have X running?
[02:32] <Dalk-Away> yeah
[02:32] <Dalk-Away> only one
[02:32] <stu> and its this TTY that has died
[02:32] <stu> bah, Im gonna ctrl-alt-bkspace brb
[02:32] <Dalk-Away> er
[02:32] <black_Nightmare> ok one tricky question for you people...
[02:32] <roo_> l3wwy, works now :)
[02:33] <roo_> l3wwy, i was being an ass.
[02:33] <black_Nightmare> recoken a dreamcast memory card reader could be made and ubuntu could read it? (read-only)
[02:33] <roo_> l3wwy, network still working?
[02:33] <reggansa> stu: you can create a .xinitrc file in your homedir and exec xterm &
[02:33] <Dalk-Away> black_Nightmare, hell, try it! Tell us how it goes :))
[02:33] <black_Nightmare> dalk..where do I start?
[02:33] <black_Nightmare> :p
[02:33] <roo_> black_Nightmare, does _linux_ support dreamcast memory card readers?
[02:33] <Dalk-Away> Nooo idea :P
[02:33] <Dalk-Away> www.tldp.org ?
[02:34] <Dalk-Away> maybe that will give you a howto that could get you started
[02:34] <Dalk-Away> try looking around on google, too.
[02:34] <black_Nightmare> roo...I think something could be figured out with the parallel port (one or several lines to read from the card?)
[02:34] <Dalk-Away> How did this chan get so unorginised? Who's ment to be op?
[02:34] <notcovrd> new ubuntu user, my updates show error because another management applic. system running, in simple terms what does this mean? an how do i correct it?
[02:35] <l3wwy> hey guys
[02:35] <roo_> hi l3wwy
[02:35] <l3wwy> whats the package name for the codec upadtes?
[02:35] <Dalk-Away> notcovrd, you can't have apt-get running twice... or at the same time as the synaptic package manager
[02:35] <roo_> notcovrd, are u already running synaptic?
[02:35] <notcovrd> yes
[02:35] <l3wwy> for totem
[02:35] <l3wwy> i want to play MPG on totem
[02:35] <l3wwy> and mp3;s
[02:35] <Dalk-Away> notcovrd, just have it open once
[02:36] <Dalk-Away> when you use synaptic it locks the repositories to be safe.. meaning you can only update one thing at a time
[02:36] <odysseus1> my mplayerplug-in v2.66 freezes after 99% of download, what can i do ?
[02:36] <l3wwy> defrost it?
[02:36] <l3wwy> LOL
[02:36] <Dalk-Away> l3wwy, http://www.ubuntuguide.org read that, it tells you how to setup non-free things like mp3
[02:37] <roo_> odysseus1, watch porn using something else? :p
[02:37] <l3wwy> ok
[02:37] <l3wwy> thanks
[02:37] <Servo888> damn it, apt-get is still complaing about unment depends.
[02:37] <moominski> hello every1
[02:37] <Dalk-Away> odysseus1, how many times have you tried it?
[02:37] <Servo888> complaining*
[02:37] <odysseus1> i want to see this one: http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/duma.html
[02:37] <Dalk-Away> Servo888, download the dependancies then?
[02:37] <Servo888> Dalk-Away, what do you mean?
[02:37] <odysseus1> Dalk-Away: 100 times..
[02:37] <Dalk-Away> You say apt-get complains about missing files?
[02:38] <l3wwy> hang on, when hoary final comes out, will i just be able to update the distro and it'll become final?
[02:38] <roo_> odysseus1, what browser? firefox?
[02:38] <Dalk-Away> odysseus1, try searching google for a .deb package instead then, and use dpkg -i to isntall that
[02:38] <odysseus1> yes, firefox 1.0.1
[02:38] <Servo888> Dalk-Away, not missing files, just unmet dependencies.
[02:38] <Pizbit> l3wwy: yes
[02:38] <Dalk-Away> l3wwy, I assume so
[02:38] <l3wwy> cool beans
[02:38] <l3wwy> any idea on the size?
[02:38] <l3wwy> 100mb?
[02:38] <Dalk-Away> Servo888, yes, so download those dependencies using apt-get
[02:38] <Dalk-Away> or synamptic package manager
[02:38] <Servo888> apt-get -d ?
[02:39] <Dalk-Away> Servo888, what dependencies do you need?
[02:39] <kbrooks> -d = dl
[02:39] <Dalk-Away> you dont want -d
[02:39] <moominski> should i restart after upadting to hoary
[02:39] <moominski> ??
[02:39] <kbrooks>   -d  Download only - do NOT install or unpack archives
[02:39] <Pizbit> moominski: If you want
[02:39] <apokryphos> moominski: yes. Kernel reboot
[02:39] <Dalk-Away> moominski, you never really need ot restart, but it might be easier to, yes.
[02:40] <kbrooks> Servo888, -d means dl
[02:40] <kbrooks> only.
[02:40] <Servo888> Dalk-Away, http://www.pastebin.com/264095 <= those are all the needed depends
[02:40] <moominski> if its good for my system them wy not
[02:40] <hoolagaw> hi, quick question, should I donwload version 4 or 5 ubuntu
[02:40] <Dalk-Away> Servo888, I'll walk you through the first, then try the rest yourself okay?
[02:40] <kbrooks> hoolagaw, 4
[02:40] <Servo888> Dalk-Away, sure
[02:40] <hoolagaw> thanks son
[02:40] <Dalk-Away> I'll msg you
[02:40] <hoolagaw> peace out
[02:40] <apokryphos> hoolagaw: Hoary :P. More apps; stable coming out real soon.
[02:40] <Servo888> ok
[02:41] <kbrooks> apokryphos, no
[02:41] <kbrooks> apokryphos, its UNSTABLE
[02:41] <hoolagaw> but how unstable?
[02:41] <apokryphos> kbrooks: yes.
[02:41] <hoolagaw> is is broken badly?
[02:41] <apokryphos> not at all
[02:41] <moominski> how do i send a message with highlighted text
[02:41] <apokryphos> hoolagaw: the majority of the community is using it.
[02:41] <hoolagaw> so then it should be fine huh
[02:41] <hoolagaw> ok cool
[02:41] <apokryphos> moominski: you start with the persons name :)
[02:41] <Limbo> hello
[02:41] <kbrooks> hoolagaw, please. use 4
[02:41] <moominski> thats all?
[02:41] <osity> eruin: thanks man ....it finally workin the way i like it
[02:41] <apokryphos> kbrooks: it has MORE APPS.
[02:41] <moppit> hey all. does Warty come w/default gcc or that need to be installed?
[02:42] <hoolagaw> kbrooks: how come
[02:42] <kbrooks> apokryphos, doesnt mean its stable
[02:42] <apokryphos> kbrooks: did I ever say it was? :)
[02:42] <roo_> l3wwy, say my name please..
[02:42] <moominski> apokryphos like so?
[02:42] <apokryphos> moominski: that's it :)
[02:42] <roo_> l3wwy, dont forget the '_' :p
[02:42] <kbrooks> apokryphos, argue all you want, i will not change my mind till it is released
[02:42] <moominski> ok thanks
[02:42] <roo_> a girl!
[02:42] <Pizbit> kbrooks: Rofl, hoary is hardly unstable:)
[02:43] <Liz> :P at roo
[02:43] <kbrooks> Pizbit, argue all you want, i will not change my mind till it is released
[02:43] <kbrooks> canned reply
[02:43] <black_Nightmare> "DC VMS Memory card Link cable" and it seem to be usb
[02:43] <black_Nightmare> so I guess ubuntu and linux-usb and memory drivers = try figure about reading a dreamcast card?
[02:43] <gratuit> how much more stable can it gonna get in a week?
[02:43] <hoolagaw> why is linux sysv, I hate sysv
[02:43] <PecK> hey again
[02:43] <apokryphos> kbrooks: Oh, I'm not trying to convert you... someone asked which one, I say Hoary (easily). Why? Well, because it's pretty darn stable (the official stable tag means something, but, well, "unstable" is too broad), and the apps in warty are generally seriously dated.
[02:43] <black_Nightmare> its only $1usd it seem lol
[02:43] <geneo93> moppit:  sudo apt-get install build-essens...
[02:43] <PecK> still can
[02:44] <PecK> still can't read m4a files
[02:44] <kbrooks> apokryphos, like xchat........for example
[02:44] <apokryphos> kbrooks: I don't use it, but what about xchat?
[02:44] <roo_> roo_,
[02:44] <eruin> phew
[02:44] <kbrooks> apokryphos, its TOO OLD IN WARTY
[02:44] <eruin> finally selected all my build libraries
[02:44] <eruin> :o
[02:44] <kbrooks> apokryphos, 2.0.8
[02:44] <Dalk-Away> apokryphos, why dont you just update xchat manually then....?
[02:44] <Limbo> I would like to know if Ubuntulinux has support for SATA-Raid-0
[02:44] <apokryphos> kbrooks: precisely :)
[02:44] <Pizbit> kbrooks: Lay off the capital letters.
[02:45] <apokryphos> Dalk-Away: erm, what? I'm not complaining about it. :)
[02:45] <Liz> im did a dist-upgrade yesterday
[02:45] <Dalk-Away> Heh, my bad
[02:45] <kbrooks> :P
[02:45] <eruin> "I am did" ?
[02:45] <Liz> i did
[02:45] <Liz> typo
[02:45] <Dalk-Away> Were there ever ops in this chan?
[02:45] <kbrooks> Dalk-Away, there are. why
[02:45] <Dalkus> I don't see any :P
[02:46] <apokryphos> Dalk-Away: there's quite a few, but they haven't given themselves the privs at the mo.
[02:46] <gratuit> Dalk-Away: there are people who can become ops on demand
[02:46] <Dalkus> Just seems a little unorginised
[02:46] <Pizbit> Dalkus: They tend to be extremely lenient
[02:46] <eruin> having op in this chan is the same as having a big sign on you that says "ASK ME FIRST!"
[02:46] <Dalkus> It's good they dont need to use their powers
[02:46] <apokryphos> hehe
[02:46] <kbrooks> lol
[02:46] <kbrooks> eruin, no
[02:46] <Dalkus> This chan is definatly a very nice linux-help one
[02:47] <kbrooks> eruin, having an op in this chan is the same as being the onnly police officer
[02:47] <Dalkus> Wish I had this chan back when I first got into linux...
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[02:47] <kbrooks> s/an/one/
[02:47] <eruin> kbrooks: haha
[02:47] <Arnia> mm... I wish I could figure this fglrx problem out :p
[02:47] <Pizbit> kbrooks: They get laid heaps?:)
[02:48] <kbrooks> being the only police offer is worse than having 2 or even more of them
[02:48] <Arnia> When I don't enable the composite extension then the res is always bigger than my actual screen and so I can pan it.
[02:48] <andril> is there a MP3 to OGG converter?
[02:48] <Arnia> XV just doesn't work with or without composite
[02:48] <roo_> andril, try lame
[02:48] <Pizbit> andril: Undoubtedly
[02:48] <kbrooks> whats the  program to .........
[02:48] <kbrooks> change the screen res
[02:48] <Arnia> Damage doesn't exist according to xcompmgr
[02:49] <Arnia> I'm confusled
[02:49] <Pizbit> roo_: Lame encodes to mp3, not ogg
[02:49] <kbrooks> oh
[02:49] <kbrooks> xrandr
[02:49] <eruin> oggenc -> .ogg
[02:49] <eruin> andril: not a good idea though, since they're both lossy formats
[02:49] <geneo93> bad idea mp3 to ogg
[02:49] <l3wwy> holy dooly
[02:49] <andril> so what's a good format?
[02:49] <roo_> Pizbit, oops :o
[02:49] <kbrooks> oh
[02:49] <l3wwy> one of the repositries infos is 2 meg!
[02:49] <eruin> ogg is a good format
[02:49] <eruin> so is mp3
[02:49] <andril> for Ubyntu of course
[02:50] <kbrooks> xrandr -s 1 gets me a HUGE screen
[02:50] <eruin> the point is that you'll lose data when converting from mp3 to ogg
[02:50] <eruin> and the other way around for that matter
[02:50] <Pizbit> andril: Both are good, just ogg is better. However going mp3 -> ogg lsoes more quality
[02:50] <roo_> converting from m3 -> ogg will lead to even worse quality
[02:50] <kbrooks> not exactly what i had in mind
[02:50] <geneo93> flac
[02:50] <Pizbit> andril: This tells you how to get mp3 playback in Ubuntu http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:50] <andril> I just want to play my MP3's -
[02:50] <kbrooks> heh
[02:50] <Pizbit> er, isoes -> loses :)
[02:50] <Pizbit> andril: Read that link
[02:50] <Dalkus> andril, also ubuntuguide.org
[02:51] <Pizbit> Dalkus: Woa, that's terribly! Totally horrid
[02:51] <osity> when i try to restart the samba daemons....they stop but fail when trying to restart
[02:51] <Dalkus> What?
[02:52] <Dalkus> How....?
[02:52] <Pizbit> Dalkus: That page, whoever created it should be shot
[02:52] <Dalkus> Why?
[02:52] <Limbo> So noone runs Raid-0 sata on ubuntu?
[02:52] <andril> thanks guys/gals
[02:52] <Dalkus> It's fantastic, explains many things that newbies need to know very well
[02:52] <Pizbit> 1) it's all on one page 2) Why do 10 apt-get commands instead of one?
[02:52] <Pizbit> It doesn't even understand you can install two packages at once >.<
[02:53] <Dalkus> 1) I personally prefer it all on one page - easier navigation.  2) Perhaps it was easier to describe that way , perhaps it gives people more confidence with apt-get
[02:53] <dabeej> when i insert a dvd, totem loads up and locks up
[02:53] <eruin> muahhah
[02:53] <dabeej> is this a known problem?
[02:53] <eruin> building rhythmbox 0.9
[02:53] <eruin> cd burning sweetness here I come
[02:53] <Dalkus> dabeej, you enabled dvd playback support?
[02:53] <Pizbit> dabeej: Use xine:)
[02:53] <roo_> ubuntuguide.org is fine, if it gets people reading and trying stuff themselves then all the better, right?
[02:53] <dabeej> Dalkus, how?
[02:53] <Dalkus> roo_, definatly
[02:53] <Pizbit> roo_: It's layout and instructions are seriously lacking imho.
[02:54] <osity> anyone know why restarting samba it would fail on restart
[02:54] <PecK> is it even possible to read m4a files encoded with iTunes without iTunes?
[02:54] <Dalkus> dabeej, check out ubuntuguide.org :P I've pasted this link three times in a minute...
[02:54] <dabeej> Dalkus, fresh install
[02:54] <kbrooks> chmod 000'ing a file?
[02:54] <kbrooks> wtf?
[02:54] <Dalkus> dabeej, whaat?
[02:54] <kbrooks> why would you
[02:54] <dabeej> nm
[02:54] <Pizbit> roo_: These commands could all be made into one http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrafonts
[02:54] <roo_> osity, people might be able to do more if you have specific error messages perhaps?
[02:54] <roo_> Pizbit, readability?
[02:54] <Dalkus> Pizbit, yes but try explaining a 10-in-1 command to a newbie who is intimidated by apt-get?
[02:55] <Limbo> just great
[02:55] <roo_> Pizbit, also, people are unlikely to have _all_ those installed at once.
[02:55] <Pizbit> roo_: Would still be retained
[02:55] <osity> i tell it to restart the samba service and it stops fine...then fails on restart
[02:55] <roo_> Pizbit, u'd install only 1 or 2 of those packages, putting them in one apt-get install command *could* be misleading..
[02:55] <Pizbit> roo_: The guide is blindly saying "run all these commands" so why not just make it one anyway?
[02:55] <osity> i tried to check logs but they all seemed empty'
[02:55] <Dalkus> Pizbit, i just suggested why.
[02:56] <Pizbit> roo_: Or say "You can install like this: " and then  mention other packages
[02:56] <MidnightDevil> how do i put back the borders on the windows under kde? lol
[02:56] <dabeej> Dalkus, it's already installed
[02:56] <dabeej> libdvdread3
[02:56] <Pizbit> Dalkus: It's very easy, you just say "Putting them all like this means you don't have to do seperate commands" or words to that effect
[02:56] <Dalkus> dabeej, try using xine - it's generally alot better for DVD playback :)
[02:56] <dabeej> the drive is showing activity but it isn't doing anything
[02:56] <roo_> Pizbit, mail the author? im sure he'd welcome ur suggestions :)
[02:56] <Dalkus> Pizbit, yes but thats extra uncecesary information for someone who might be scared to use apt-get
[02:56] <dabeej> Dalkus, bug report maybe?
[02:57] <Dalkus> dabeej, chances are it's not a bug... but a missing dependency somewhere or something
[02:57] <Dreamer3> anyone know the faster program to open a image, rotate, and size (with the option of quality for JPG), not gimp?
[02:57] <Pizbit> Dalkus: Then you don't tell them, simple.
[02:57] <Dreamer3> *fastest
[02:57] <Pizbit> They'll just go along with it.
[02:57] <Dreamer3> eye of gnome would be great, but i don't see a quality setting
[02:57] <Pizbit> "To install all the fonts at once, run: "
[02:57] <Dalkus> Pizbit, then people dont like your guide because its cryptic to beginners - and its aimed at begginers
[02:57] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3: gthumb?
[02:57] <Dalkus> Or maybe people want the choice to download only some of the fonts
[02:57] <Pizbit> Dreamer3: imagemagick (convert)
[02:58] <Dreamer3> Pizbit: *laughs*
[02:58] <stuNNed> for building custom DSDT i have a .hex file is there any way to get a .dml file out of it?
[02:58] <kbrooks> backports suck.....or do they?
[02:58] <osity> there is way more support in this chan than in debian!
[02:58] <Pizbit> Dalkus: Then you mention how to use apt and then list the different font packages availible
[02:58] <stuNNed> also have a .dsl file
[02:58] <Dalkus> Pizbit, Well, why don't you write your own howto? Seriously, the more the better
[02:58] <kbrooks> backports suck.....or do they?
[02:59] <Dalkus> you could aim yours at a differnt audiencce
[02:59] <Dreamer3> guess the gimp it is
[02:59] <Pizbit> Dalkus: *shrug* Why duplicate the work? It's most likely already on the wiki and on this page
[02:59] <Dalkus> kbrooks, depends on your view i guess
[02:59] <eruin> who cares, as long as we know dashboard rocks http://www.nat.org/dashboard/rewrite.png
[02:59] <kbrooks> ....
[02:59] <kbrooks> mike998, hey.
[02:59] <roo_> Pizbit, its not just about duplicating if you think you can improve the work.
[03:00] <roo_> eruin, agreed
[03:00] <Pizbit> roo_: The improvement is not worth the work, but I reckon it should be considered.
[03:00] <roo_> Pizbit, agreed, so email the author :p
[03:00] <Dalkus> Or do it yerself :P
[03:01] <Pizbit> Dalkus: Sure, give me access to the site:P
[03:01] <Dalkus> I ment write yer own :P
[03:01] <kbrooks> wtf is dash
[03:01] <Dalkus> kbrooks, ?
[03:02] <kbrooks>  ? Bash is the default /bin/sh on a Debian system.  However, since our policy requires all shell scripts using /bin/sh    ?
[03:02] <kbrooks>  ? to be POSIX compliant, any shell that conforms to POSIX can serve as /bin/sh.  Since dash is POSIX compliant, it can   ?
[03:02] <kbrooks>  ? be used as /bin/sh.  You may wish to do this because dash is faster and smaller than bash.                             ?
[03:02] <Pizbit> Dalkus: Kinda keep quiet until you're willing to read everything I say, cheers.
[03:02] <roo_> kbrooks, http://www.nat.org/dashboard/
[03:02] <kbrooks> ^^^^^
[03:02] <kbrooks> "our policy"?
[03:02] <Dalkus> Pizbit, sorry half asleep here.
[03:02] <kbrooks> who's policy?
[03:02] <kbrooks> and how can a shell script be POSIX compliant!!
[03:03] <kbrooks> should I install it as /bin/sh
[03:03] <kbrooks> ?
[03:04] <zapada> UBUNTU BABY!
[03:04] <eruin> good lad
[03:05] <Mika-chan> Hello all. I a currently a Gentoo newbie and am considering a switch to Ubuntu. With Gentoo's install, you get a very basic system and add what you want. Is Ubuntu the same way, or do you get editors, games, development tools, etc with a new install?
[03:05] <sig> I'm putting together a Linux HowTo site so if you guys no of any good howto's let me know and I will write one up
[03:05] <sig> http://harrisplace.net/?page_id=13
[03:05] <Pizbit> Mika-chan: The default install of ubuntu gives you a complete gnome desktop
[03:05] <roo_> Mika-chan, you get more things installed in a normal install, like a gnome desktop
[03:06] <tvelocity> Mika-chan, by default you get a gnome desktop with openoffice and firefox etc
[03:06] <Pizbit> Mika-chan: Also no development tools in the default install(no gcc etc)
[03:06] <tvelocity> but it is possible to install only the basics, someway
[03:06] <roo_> Mika-chan, installing/uninstalling in Ubuntu using Synaptic (a package manager, like portage) is very, very easy.
[03:07] <calc> sig: http://www.tldp.org/
[03:07] <kbrooks> sig: :)
[03:07] <osity> anyone....samba server fails when restarting it...any ideas anyone?
[03:07] <Mika-chan> Pizbit: Yikes, sounds like my little 4 GB hard drive on the laptop would be at capacity after the install.
[03:07] <Pizbit> Mika-chan: Heh, nah it'll handle it
[03:08] <sig> they are lacking my knowledge on tldp.org :)
[03:08] <Pizbit> Mika-chan: Unlike other desktop distributions Ubuntu doesn't include multiple programs that do the same thing
[03:08] <kbrooks> sig: you do know you can install
[03:08] <kbrooks> 3 packages at the same time
[03:08] <tvelocity> you won't need much more than 1GB
[03:08] <kbrooks> fuck
[03:08] <roo_> Mika-chan, nope, the install is ~1gb i think
[03:08] <Mika-chan> Pizbit: It's a P233 laptop, it chugs when I run Firefox under XFCE4.
[03:09] <Pizbit> Mika-chan: Hehe, might not be what you're after imho
[03:09] <roo_> Mika-chan, i have development stuff (gcc, make, binutils, vim, emacs etc) and a full desktop with many apps (inkscape, firefox, thunderbird, evolution) for under 2Gb
[03:09] <calc> Mika-chan: i have more than just the normal ubuntu install on my box and its still only taking 1.5-1.8gb
[03:09] <roo_> Mika-chan, you're running Gentoo on a P233 :O
[03:09] <MidnightDevil> a small hint someone ?
[03:09] <MidnightDevil> how do i put back the borders on the windows under kde? lol
[03:09] <calc> MidnightDevil: sounds like kwin died for you
[03:10] <leobardo> Some one know a page with cool gnome themes?
[03:10] <MidnightDevil> well, there's an option on konqueror that allows to remove windows borders
[03:10] <roo_> leobardo, gnome-look.org?
[03:10] <calc> MidnightDevil: oh ok, not sure how to turn them back on in that case
[03:10] <MidnightDevil> kde-look.org is down atm
[03:10] <MidnightDevil> calc,  do u use kde?
[03:10] <apokryphos> MidnightDevil: alt-F3
[03:10] <Pizbit> leobardo: art.gnome.org
[03:11] <Pizbit> leobardo: and gnome-look.org
[03:11] <tvelocity> leobardo, art.gnome.org
[03:11] <calc> MidnightDevil: i did up until a few months ago
[03:11] <leobardo> tank you very much
[03:11] <MidnightDevil> great, thanx apokryphos
[03:11] <MidnightDevil> :)
[03:11] <MidnightDevil> and calc as well ;)
[03:11] <Mika-chan> roo_: That is why I went the Gentoo route, I though it would give me more bang per CPU cycle. However the compile to update is taking too much time.
[03:11] <apokryphos> np
[03:11] <calc> MidnightDevil: you might try asking in #kubuntu or #debian-kde
[03:12] <calc> ah i see apokryphos told you already :)
[03:12] <roo_> Mika-chan, dont worry about the optimisations for P233. I was using gentoo for ~2 years before last week. I love gentoo and portage, but for your needs Ubuntu sounds like a good idea.
[03:12] <calc> Mika-chan: customized compiles will give very little improvement in nearly all cases
[03:12] <roo_> Mika-chan, a better idea at least then Gentoo.
[03:13] <DoYouUbuntu> hello
[03:13] <calc> the primary benefit i guess could be considered that you can disable things that packages link to, or that your computer keeps you warm ;)
[03:13] <Mika-chan> Thanks for the advice everyone.
[03:13] <osity> anyone know samba in here?
[03:13] <tvelocity> Mika-chan, you could also try out vanilla debian
[03:14] <leobardo> osity: what do you need?
[03:14] <gratuit> osity: just ask your question, if someone knows then they will answer
[03:14] <osity> i have been asking ....for 10 minutes......restarting the service fails.... :(
[03:14] <kbrooks> Mika-chan, use ubuntu!
[03:14] <osity> maybe I should reintall samba>
[03:14] <kbrooks> ubuntu is TEH RULZ
[03:14] <osity> does it have to be unistalled ?
[03:15] <kbrooks> no
[03:15] <zapada> is ubuntu 56k friendly?
[03:15] <sobanet> it is TEH rulez
[03:15] <sobanet> and it's shithot
[03:15] <osity> kbrooks was that no for me?
[03:15] <DoYouUbuntu> Has anyone used PengAOL?  Does it work?
[03:15] <tvelocity> zapada, i would say yes
[03:15] <kbrooks> osity, yeah.
[03:15] <zapada> tvelocity: really?
[03:15] <zapada> I tried to get it to work on my softmodem, but it didnt
[03:15] <osity> thankas
[03:16] <kbrooks> osity, apt-get install --reinstall samba
[03:16] <zapada> so im going to go out and buy a US robotics hardmodem
[03:16] <DoYouUbuntu> I just bought a Hw USR modem today just for Ubuntu
[03:16] <zapada> and it worked fine?
[03:16] <kbrooks> zapada, wtf is a hardmodem
[03:16] <zapada> hardware modem
[03:16] <tvelocity> i've used ubuntu on ISDN before... which is not very different than 56k in practice...
[03:16] <DoYouUbuntu> Yep.  Just follow the link I post and read
[03:16] <kbrooks> .....k
[03:16] <desrt> kbrooks; contrast: softmodem
[03:16] <desrt> (aka winmodem)
[03:16] <zapada> DoYouUbuntu: post
[03:17] <desrt> some modems are really just soundcards that plug into your phone line
[03:17] <Mika-chan> kbrooks: it is the gnome that is scaring me away. This P233 chugs using Firefox or Thunderbird in XFCE4 with no gnome. I can imagine it will grind to a halt in gnome.
[03:17] <desrt> all the work of modulating the signal is actually done by the CPU
[03:17] <DoYouUbuntu> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DialupModemHowto
[03:17] <eruin> is via82cxxx enabled in ubuntu?
[03:17] <zapada> thanks
[03:17] <l3wwy> is there are reason why the repositry thats giving me wine keeps chopping my connection off?
[03:17] <desrt> these 'software modems' tend to not work with linux since they require windows-only drivers
[03:17] <andrewski> Mika-chan: you can get xfce in ubuntu.
[03:17] <zapada> can I get my ubuntu to look like this: http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=2041168417403d1381941c9&p=screen&PHPSESSID=e5276d734105f32a0cfdc0484af519bf
[03:18] <kbrooks> Mika-chan, well, you can get xfce. all you need to do is EXIT the base configuration.
[03:18] <Mr-Petah> wenas
[03:18] <eruin> zapada: apt-get install gdesklets
[03:18] <Mr-Petah> hi
[03:18] <kbrooks> Mika-chan, and then apt-cache search xfce | less
[03:18] <zapada> eruin: I have 56k... so I cant download huge things
[03:18] <zapada> isgdesklets big?
[03:19] <kbrooks> Mika-chan, and do not exit it until you reach the package......step
[03:19] <eruin> zapada: 700kb?
[03:19] <Mr-Petah> this channel have spanish talkers? (sorry 4 my english)
[03:19] <contra> can Ubuntu resize FAT32 during installation non-destructively?
[03:19] <leobardo> yo hablo espaol
[03:19] <Mr-Petah> hola
[03:19] <contra> hola
[03:19] <HrdwrBoB> #ubuntu.es
[03:19] <desrt> ugh.  not again.
[03:20] <zapada> eruin: ok thanks :)
[03:20] <tvelocity> contra, no. you'll have to do it yourself
[03:20] <Mr-Petah> es que eh entrado en el canal en espaol, pero tan tos muertos
[03:20] <contra> tvelocity: but I don't want to :(
[03:20] <desrt> if you're going to speak non-english in here at least have the curtesy to use utf8
[03:20] <DoYouUbuntu> I hate 56k  :(
[03:20] <osity> hey what tty is the gui on again?
[03:20] <contra> eh entrado?
[03:20] <tvelocity> contra, it should be no problem with knoppix+qtparted, or partition magic on windoze
[03:20] <osity> i've been trying 7 and it's not going
[03:20] <eruin> osity: 7
[03:21] <eruin> osity: try 8
[03:21] <eruin> ;>
[03:21] <osity> I tried,,.,,almost all .... m
[03:21] <kbrooks> Mika-chan, exit base-config with CTRL+C
[03:21] <osity> maybe My hardware is crap.....(mobo)
[03:21] <contra> tvelocity: I might as well install Knoppix ;)
[03:21] <zapada> can you show me your ubuntu desktopz?
[03:21] <eruin> http://appelsinjuice.org/4.jpg
[03:22] <eruin> haven't got that sweet AA right nwo since I reinstalled
[03:22] <apokryphos> zapada: old ones, that I'll update soon-enough-is: www.youmortals.com/stuff/ubuntu
[03:22] <eruin> grumble
[03:22] <osity> i gonna resintall the whole ubuntu ....this is ticking me off
[03:22] <zapada> ok cool
[03:22] <zapada> is ubuntu just as customizable as other distros?
[03:22] <zapada> because I want to make my ubuntu look like those :)
[03:22] <apokryphos> zapada: of course. :)
[03:23] <zapada> nice
[03:23] <GhostFaceKilla> anyone know where to get an openFT nodes files from?
[03:23] <zapada> is it hard?
[03:23] <omniscient> like what?
[03:23] <gratuit> zapada: that depends on what you want to do
[03:23] <osity> what wouls a buffer io error on hda1 mean
[03:23] <apokryphos> zapada: it depends on what you want to do. No real idea what eyecandy tweaking is like on Gnome, but I don't imagine it's *too* different to KDE.
[03:23] <contra> ok, another pregunta. Does Ubuntu set up/detect winmodems by chance? Or has anyone tried setting one up?
[03:24] <kbrooks> what does the C in UTC stand for?
[03:24] <bob2> contra: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto might have stuff about it
[03:24] <zapada> apokryphos: I've never done any tweaking on KDE, so I have no clue :)
[03:24] <kbrooks> universal time ....
[03:24] <zapada> I've only done eye candy tweakign on windows
[03:24] <phobosanger> ppl can i c my cpu usage on the terminlal?
[03:24] <apokryphos> zapada: well, it's very easy. :)
[03:24] <DoYouUbuntu> contra- it detected my winmodem, and even got the name correct.  However, it's didn't know what it "was" technically.
[03:24] <bob2> phobosanger: top
[03:24] <kbrooks> osity, to decipher the error:
[03:24] <apokryphos> zapada: certainly infinitely more easy than on Windoze.
[03:24] <zapada> ok cool
[03:24] <bob2> kbrooks: co-ordinated
[03:24] <phobosanger> thenks bob2
[03:25] <Marble2> ubuntu can format drives to fat32 larger than 32gb right? windows can only format them to 32 gb max
[03:25] <leobardo> Try this link http://www.codeweavers.com/ could be interesting for many people
[03:25] <kbrooks> buffer: a temporary area in memory where data to be written to the disk is stored
[03:25] <apokryphos> kbrooks: Coordinated
[03:25] <kbrooks> i/o: input/output
[03:25] <bob2> kbrooks: please?
[03:25] <zapada> DoYouUbuntu: Right now I have an AOpen modem (win); should I go get a USR and then try?
[03:26] <phxguy> Am I the only one who cannot get to gnome-look.org or kde-look.org???
[03:26] <kbrooks> dude
[03:26] <kbrooks> im trying to help!
[03:26] <zapada> I tried to detect the modem through the automatic Ubuntu installer, but it didn't detect it
[03:26] <apokryphos> phxguy: perhaps ;). Works here.
[03:26] <kbrooks> osity, u there?
[03:26] <phxguy> apokryphos,  sure you're not pulling up a cached page.....
[03:26] <Marble2> anyone?
[03:26] <osity> ya
[03:26] <phxguy> I can ping it ok but it doesn't seem to load in firefox
[03:27] <apokryphos> phxguy: hmm, good point. This actually the first time I've ever seen it down
[03:27] <osity> ...it input output
[03:27] <osity> kbrooks it;s
[03:27] <phxguy> apokryphos, yeah very strange.... I was just there last night
[03:27] <zapada> DoYouUbuntu: I have a connexant chipset with mine.
[03:27] <kbrooks> osity, the error message means that the kernel cannot write the area in memory to the first partition in the first hard drive
[03:27] <tvelocity> zapada, HSF?
[03:28] <zapada> HSF?
[03:28] <zenrox> for a ht type cpu do you install linux-image-smp-686
[03:28] <kbrooks> osity, the 'why' of the error could be any reason
[03:28] <DoYouUbuntu> Zap- that's what I did today.  The modem connects now in UBUNTU and gets a dial tone.  I just need to load PengAOL and see if that works.  USR modems aren't cheap though.
[03:28] <tvelocity> zapada, there are to connexant chipsets: HSF and HCF
[03:28] <DoYouUbuntu> I've heard too many nightmares with winmodems
[03:28] <zapada> oh
[03:28] <phxguy> apokryphos, gnome-art seems worthless since they redid there page
[03:28] <zapada> how do I check?
[03:29] <osity> kbrooks it sais ext3 fs error this time i booted...
[03:29] <tvelocity> i've made a connextant modem to work before (on gentoo)
[03:29] <kbrooks> osity, one POSSIBLE reason is that your hard drive COULD be dying
[03:29] <tvelocity> on what OS are you right now?
[03:29] <apokryphos> phxguy: no idea :P. I can't imagine kde-look staying down for long... usually very reliable.
[03:29] <zapada> windows 2000
[03:30] <tvelocity> maybe the device manager has that info?
[03:30] <osity> kbrooks:  it Brand spanking new....my last one just died.,..
[03:30] <phxguy> apokryphos, I've been trying all day today and can't seem to get anywhere... ut again I can ping 'em fine in a terminal window.... Must be a database problem or something maybe with routing...
[03:30] <Mr-Petah> que cliente para msn messenger me recomendais?
[03:31] <zapada> AOpen FM560SVV Soft PCI Modem
[03:31] <apokryphos> phxguy: perhaps, yeah. Oh well; not much else to do but wait ;)
[03:31] <osity> kbrooks: could it be a bad board?....I have an 800 and the bios thinks it a 774MHZ
[03:31] <osity> no matter how you set it!
[03:31] <bob2> Mr-Petah: #ubuntu-es
[03:31] <apokryphos> phxguy: be careful though: the watched kettle takes longer to boil. :D
[03:31] <phxguy> Hohw can I transfer my ubuntu install to a larger harddrive without having to reinstall everything
[03:31] <Mr-Petah> bob2, en ese canal no hay nadie que responda!
[03:31] <zapada> ok, it's an HSF
[03:31] <phxguy> apokryphos,  aint that the truth
[03:32] <zapada> I saw some HSF drivers
[03:32] <osity> kbrooks: I have set up 1000's of boards....this one one take 800 as the correct answer! :)
[03:32] <tvelocity> zapada, that's a good thing. my modem is an HSF too :)
[03:32] <zapada> yay!
[03:32] <tritium> Mr-Petah, #ubuntu-es
[03:32] <osity> Maybe I'll try reinstalling with a new board.
[03:32] <tvelocity> you need this http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/?PHPSESSID=d57252dd1e6fff2ea44f0a1c628c24ca
[03:32] <zapada> ah, tvelocity: yes, I tried that already
[03:32] <osity> IM starving.....
[03:32] <tvelocity> which is actually a demo, liited to 14k
[03:32] <osity> live long and prosper all!
[03:33] <zapada> and ubuntu told me that it couldn't find the compiler
[03:33] <zapada> something like that
[03:33] <tvelocity> but there is a way to unlock it ;)
[03:33] <zapada> I have screenshots of it
[03:33] <zapada> how?!?!?
[03:33] <zapada> I tried the demo
[03:33] <zapada> which is 14k, but I couldn't get it to work lol
[03:33] <tvelocity> well, let's focus on getting it to work first
[03:33] <gratuit> for some reason, whenever I use a window manager other than gnome (i.e. fluxbox or openbox) it takes a really long time to start my session, anyone know why?
[03:33] <tvelocity> and then we'll unlock it to full speed
[03:33] <zapada> ok
[03:33] <dabeej> I just followed the ubuntu starter guide like requested
[03:34] <zapada> can I send you the screenshot of the error I got?
[03:34] <tvelocity> yeah sure
[03:34] <zapada> (this was from about a month ago when I tried)
[03:34] <Zevin> hey all
[03:34] <dabeej> and the solution to my dvd w/ totem problem is not solved
[03:34] <dabeej> ** Message: don't know how to handle video/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)2, systemstream=(boolean)false
[03:35] <dabeej> ** Message: don't know how to handle audio/x-ac3
[03:35] <Burgundavia> dabeej: you using totem-xine or totem-streamer?
[03:35] <dabeej> i have gstreamer-dvd
[03:35] <dabeej> gstreamer i do believe
[03:35] <Burgundavia> you have decss package?
[03:35] <Burgundavia> libdvdcss2
[03:35] <dabeej> ii  libdvdcss2     1.2.8-woody0.0 Simple foundation for reading DVDs - runtim
[03:35] <synd> hey guys I just installed warty onto a P3 600Mhz, 128MB, 10GBand its running great.. except that it wont connect to my network via DHCP (wired internet sharing with my iBook)..
[03:36] <dabeej> yes
[03:36] <Burgundavia> dabeej: woody?
[03:36] <zapada> tvelocity: being sent
[03:36] <Burgundavia> dabeej: try totem-xine
[03:36] <synd> I know it works this way because I have another PC that i installed warty on.. and it worked this way
[03:36] <dabeej> that what came up when i folowed the install
[03:36] <tritium> synd, perhaps the iBook is not sharing properly
[03:36] <tvelocity> zapada, there seems to be something wron with DCC here...
[03:36] <tvelocity> * Received a malformed DCC request from zapada.
[03:36] <tvelocity> * Contents of packet: DCC SEND ok.png 3467406637 4167 62938 T
[03:36] <zapada> tvelocity: in the Ubuntu device manager, my modem apears there
[03:36] <zapada> I can send you that screenshot too if you want
[03:36] <zapada> has all the modem details
[03:37] <zapada> oh
[03:37] <Zevin> I'm kinda new to linux, but really like it,and am having a small problem with ndiswrapper 1.1
[03:37] <kbrooks> zapada, LAMER
[03:37] <png> tvelocity, ?
[03:37] <png> ha. sorry:)
[03:37] <synd> tritium: i know for a fact it works, I was just using it on this box (which I had to boot into WinXP to get on my wireless network)
[03:37] <Zevin> i got it all installed, and it worked great, but after a reboot, it stopped working
[03:37] <bitar> hey all..
[03:37] <Zevin> networking window shows it is active, and picks up my SSID, but when i open firefox, it can't connect
[03:38] <bitar> i just finished installing Ubuntu... as soon as it finished installin: it directly asked me for my login and password... and i type them and i'm still in dos mode.. :S how come there's GUI with the star menu and stuff?
[03:38] <tritium> synd, ok, if you've checked
[03:38] <synd> ok, im all ears
[03:38] <zapada> tvelocity: is it not sending?
[03:38] <tvelocity> zapada, it seems not...
[03:38] <zapada> lol ok
[03:38] <zapada> let me find a place to upload it
[03:39] <stuNNed> anyone try to load a  custom DSDT?
[03:39] <Burgundavia> bitar: I am a little confused by your statment. could you clarify?
[03:39] <kbrooks> bitar, "star menu"??
[03:39] <stuNNed> I got it to load but it's getting replaced by one in host OS
[03:39] <synd> also, a black X shows up in the center of the screen when I boot up..? It doesn't do that when I boot up in Ubuntu with this box.
[03:39] <tritium> Burgundavia, any word on your e-mail regarding the incident the other night?
[03:40] <bitar> well... there's nothing :) all i see is a login name and password.. and that's it.. i'm in Dos mode.. telling me i have one new e-mail :S
[03:40] <zapada> tvelocity: http://img170.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img170&image=ok4oo.png
[03:40] <kbrooks> bitar, pm?
[03:40] <bitar> kbrooks: what's pm ?
[03:40] <Burgundavia> tritium: mako emailed me back saying that he thought it wasn't clearcut, but that we did need chan ops. He offered me the position, to which I said yes. I also stated that if he comes back, we have a pretty clear case for banning him completely
[03:41] <kbrooks> bitar, private message
[03:41] <tritium> Burgundavia, okay.  Thanks for the update.
[03:41] <Burgundavia> tritium: no prob. It seems like it will be raised next CC
[03:41] <tritium> Burgundavia, I'm glad to hear that.
[03:41] <nrayever> hi i need some help with my k/ubuntu
[03:41] <kbrooks> tritium, what are you talking about?
[03:41] <kbrooks> whats with mako
[03:42] <nrayever> i would like to enable my root acount
[03:42] <synd> tritium: nevermind! it just loaded up google.. I pinged it and it looks to be connected fine. Seems like I had to reboot after I configured the Network Connections.
[03:42] <tritium> synd, good
[03:42] <tritium> kbrooks, we just had an incident in here the other night
[03:42] <nrayever> and i would like to change it's group preference
[03:42] <kbrooks> tritium, and it was about?
[03:42] <Burgundavia> kbrooks: a gentlement didn't really understand the CoC
[03:43] <tvelocity> zapada, it seems you need the package kernel-headers installed
[03:43] <Burgundavia> kbrooks: he kept persisting in saying things that were not kosher
[03:43] <zapada> tvelocity: oh, I didn't know :\
[03:43] <Burgundavia> kbrooks: so I emailed mako with the evidence
[03:43] <Dreamer3> ok, i'm having trouble burning a cd with cdrecord
[03:43] <Burgundavia> kbrooks: it was a rather distasteful incident
[03:43] <Dreamer3> i'm trying to get it to scan the bus, but it keeps getting hung up on hda because it's busy
[03:43] <kbrooks> Burgundavia, "kosher"?
[03:43] <phobosanger> is there any easy way to install jave on Konq.
[03:43] <synd> Ahh im ecstatic now! I just took an old P3 700 Mhz 128MB 10GB laptop with a DVD player that had been sitting in my closet for 2 years and made it useful with ubuntu!
[03:43] <tvelocity> make sure you also have gcc
[03:43] <kbrooks> Burgundavia, and who is mako?
[03:44] <tritium> synd, congratulations
[03:44] <Burgundavia> kbrooks: kosher = jewish word. In english slang, something that is not good and acceptable
[03:44] <Burgundavia> kbrooks: mako = Benj. Mako Hill
[03:44] <synd> thanks.
[03:44] <zapada> tvelocity: ok, thanks, also: http://img15.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img15&image=modemstuff0bu.png
[03:44] <tritium> kbrooks, he's a point of contact regarding the Code of Conduct
[03:45] <kbrooks> Burgundavia, what WILL happen to him?
[03:45] <Burgundavia> kbrooks: nothing unless he does something more, from what I understand
[03:46] <zapada> tvelocity: now how would I go about unlocking to full speed?
[03:46] <kbrooks> Burgundavia, did he found ubuntu?
[03:46] <kbrooks> or who did
[03:46] <Burgundavia> kbrooks: ?
[03:47] <tritium> Burgundavia, sorry I asked ;)
[03:47] <Burgundavia> tritium: my bad, I read my email wrong
[03:47] <Burgundavia> tritium: it say unambigous
[03:47] <Burgundavia> not ambiguous
[03:47] <tritium> oh
[03:47] <tvelocity> zapada, you can use this, but don't tell anyone:P
[03:47] <Dreamer3> can anyone help me get cdrecord working?
[03:48] <Burgundavia> kbrooks: I don't understand your last statment
[03:48] <tritium> Dreamer3, is it finding your cd burner?
[03:48] <Dreamer3> tritium: no, scanbus dies because it can't read hda... my cdr is at hdc
[03:48] <Dreamer3> tritium: if i just knew the device #'s i'd be set
[03:48] <kbrooks> Burgundavia, who founded ubuntu?
[03:49] <Burgundavia> kbrooks: Mark Shuttleworth
[03:49] <tritium> Dreamer3, oh...well, I was going to help you use scanbus, but you already tried...
[03:49] <Marble2> Ugh, can someone help me? I just installed a new Hard Drive, formatted it to NTFS in windows, and when I boot to ubuntu I get this: http://www.marble.fuckyouanddie.com/100_0393.jpg (yes I am lazy and didn't want to write all that stuff down)
[03:49] <Burgundavia> kbrooks: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/
[03:50] <tritium> Marble2, what's with the rude URL?
[03:50] <Dreamer3> tritium: no idea what the right decive #'s would be for hdc?
[03:50] <Marble2> my hosting is free
[03:50] <Marble2> sorry
[03:50] <tritium> Dreamer3, no, sorry.
[03:51] <Marble2> any ideas?
[03:51] <tritium> no, sorry
[03:51] <Marble2> :(
[03:51] <Marble2> anyone else?
[03:53] <tritium> Dreamer3, when you use scanbus do you use dev=ATAPI: ?
[03:53] <tritium> And did you also try dev=ATA: ?
[03:54] <Dreamer3> tritium: yes, i tried both
[03:54] <tritium> ok
[03:54] <Dreamer3> tritium: i know what device it is (/dev/hdc)... but i just don't know these funny #'s cdrecord wants
[03:54] <tritium> right
[03:54] <yyc747> if I download the RC in two days, will I have to download the full install CD for the "official" Hoary, or is it just a apt-get update; apt-get upgrade?
[03:55] <Dreamer3> tritium: hey
[03:55] <Dreamer3> tritium: um
[03:55] <yyc747> for that matter, what about the preview release?
[03:55] <Burgundavia> yyc747: you just have update mostly
[03:55] <Dreamer3> tritium: specifying the device itself seems to work great!
[03:55] <tritium> Dreamer3, doh!  :)
[03:55] <Dreamer3> tritium: i thought i needed a 0,0,0 pair
[03:56] <yyc747> Dreamer3: not since the 2.6 kernel tree
[03:56] <tritium> Marble2, in what way are you trying to use the NTFS filesystem?
[03:56] <Marble2> none
[03:56] <yyc747> Burgundavia: with the preview, the RC, or both?  also, what is "mostly"?  what is the biggest thing that could change?
[03:56] <Marble2> this happened before I formatted it to NTFS too actually
[03:56] <tritium> oh, I see
[03:56] <Dreamer3> yyc747: i swear i used a atapi:#,#,# on my previous devian install, but this is much easier!
[03:57] <Burgundavia> yyc747: for the most part, I and others have been successful with simply updating
[03:57] <yyc747> Dreamer3: you can use both... I believe with cdrdao, you do need the number though
[03:57] <Burgundavia> yyc747: my box was a warty preview
[03:57] <llamabutcher> hey guys i am following a guide to install ndiswrapper and get my wifi card working. It says to call sudo ndiswrapper -i foobar.inf but it says ndiswrapper isnt a command...
[03:57] <yyc747> does Hoary have out-of-the-box support for HFS+ filesystem?
[03:58] <yyc747> llamabutcher: try /sbin/ndiswrapper
[03:59] <yyc747> does Hoary have out-of-the-box support for HFS+ filesystem and Apple partition support (I'm also talking about the x86 version)
[03:59] <llamabutcher> /sbin/ndiswrapper command not found
[03:59] <yyc747> I have an hfs+ formatted iPod, and I don't want to reformat it
[03:59] <tritium> llamabutcher, you did install it?
[04:00] <llamabutcher> i thought it did, ill try one more time
[04:00] <ions> the latest Hoary updates rocked
[04:00] <ions> finally fixed the cursor too :)
[04:00] <llamabutcher> ls: /etc/ndiswrapper: No such file or directory
[04:00] <llamabutcher> Installing bcmwl5
[04:01] <Burgundavia> happening right now. We have a pretty crippled enforcement/operator
[04:01] <Burgundavia> system for #ubuntu at the moment. If you see the latest CC summary,
[04:01] <Burgundavia> we've got a plan for dealing with it. If you've got suggestions for
[04:01] <Burgundavia> operators in #ubuntu (and feel free to suggest yourself since you're
[04:01] <Burgundavia> definitely trusted), please, make those to me. :)
[04:01] <ions> just saying..
[04:01] <llamabutcher> bcmwl5 is the .inf file on the cd
[04:01] <llamabutcher> does that mean it installed?
[04:03] <Wildthing> hello, does anyone here know how to enable aspect ratio preservation in mplayer?
[04:04] <Servo888> how do I disable gdm from starting on boot?
[04:05] <tritium> Servo888, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-no-x-start
[04:08] <tritium> Servo888, note that "Only the first one in the list is "the one true way" in Debian"
[04:08] <LenSeatl> is there any chance to change permission of file while using ubuntu live cd?
[04:08] <Burgundavia> LenSeatl: what do you need to do?
[04:09] <llamabutcher> alright. I installed ndiswrapper. When I type sudo modprobe ndiswrapper, my system hangs
[04:09] <llamabutcher> i dont know if its hanging
[04:09] <llamabutcher> or if my mouse jus goes away
[04:09] <llamabutcher> but i think it hangs cuz i cant even reboot it without a hardshut down
[04:09] <llamabutcher> ctrl alt backspace does nothing
[04:10] <LenSeatl> Burgundavia: I need to copy a file from hard drive to usb drive but can't do it, 'cause the drives are read - only
[04:10] <Dr_Acemaster> is there a way to search for a name of a package when installing w/ apt-get?
[04:10] <Dr_Acemaster> I want to install esdplay, but no package found w/ that name
[04:10] <tritium> Dr_Acemaster, there's apt-cache search <package>
[04:10] <Dr_Acemaster> ahh cool, thanks tritium
[04:10] <llamabutcher> tritium any ideas about that?
[04:11] <llamabutcher> however, i am mking progress it seems, when i type it, the light on my wireless card comes on
[04:11] <Burgundavia> LenSeatl: the usb drives?
[04:11] <llamabutcher> but then i cant do ANYTHING
[04:11] <tritium> Dr_Acemaster, you want esound-clients
[04:11] <llamabutcher> i have to hold the power button down to reset
[04:11] <LenSeatl> YES THE USB EXTERNAL DRIVE
[04:11] <Dr_Acemaster> so just apt-get install esound-clients?
[04:11] <Burgundavia> LenSeatl: hmm
[04:11] <tritium> llamabutcher, no, I've not used ndiswrapper.  You're not on amd64, are you?
[04:11] <Burgundavia> LenSeatl: then yes you can
[04:11] <llamabutcher> no, toshiba laptop
[04:12] <resiak> llamabutcher: What wlan card do you have in it?
[04:12] <Burgundavia> LenSeatl: but that is really a bug and you should probably try and duplicate it then report it
[04:12] <LenSeatl> Burgundavia: don't care
[04:12] <LenSeatl> to do it
[04:12] <LenSeatl> I've been on terminal and changed to root
[04:13] <Burgundavia> LenSeatl: ?
[04:13] <dampjam> Anybody know a good encrypted filesystem I can use?
[04:13] <LenSeatl> tried to copy the file but couldn't
[04:13] <LenSeatl> got the message of permission
[04:14] <LenSeatl> can we go to separate room Burgundavia?
[04:15] <PlasmaPain> what a samll world
[04:15] <Burgundavia> LenSeatl: sure
[04:16] <Marble2> what does the error: "Kernel Panic - not syncing: attempted to kill init" mean?
[04:17] <Marble2> I'm getting it when I boot up to ubuntu, I'm at a knoppix livecd now... I chrooted to the ubuntu partition and am running apt-get updates right now
[04:17] <Marble2> but what's causing it?
[04:19] <alainm> does the 5.04 preview install Gnome by default?
[04:19] <hans-inge> is it a way to acess a file in a windows network like "//server/shared_folder/filname", like in windows?
[04:19] <resiak> hans-inge: smb://server/shared_folder in Nautilus (the file browser).
[04:20] <codyman> i keep getting a message regarding arts: "cpu overload"
[04:22] <hans-inge> yes, but if i need a path to use i a python script (or someting)?
[04:22] <GhostFaceKilla> dcgui is borked
[04:22] <Xira> Hi guys, I am willing to do anything to get Ubuntu to work. Whenever I install it on my desktop with a dell 1704fp monitor and 9800 pro 256 (which it detects fine), when x starts, i just get a black screen and my monitor turns off (im assuming it stops receiving signal) i've tried to look in my x logs and modify my conf for the hell of it with no success, could someone possibly ssh into my amchine and fix it"
[04:22] <GhostFaceKilla> FWIW
[04:23] <PlasmaPain> \quit
[04:23] <PlasmaPain> \quit
[04:23] <resiak> hans-inge: man mount.smbfs
[04:23] <DanC_ub> hmm... sound is working here, but not the volume control.
[04:23] <DanC_ub> alsamixer seems happy (as does gnome volume control) but frobbing the knobs has no effect
[04:23] <resiak> hans-inge: Alternatively, look into Python Samba clients.
[04:23] <DanC_ub> VIA 823x rev60
[04:23] <Xira> Anyone?
[04:23] <resiak> hans-inge: The latter is probably the better solution.
[04:23] <Xira> I'll paypal money
[04:23] <Xira> :(
[04:23] <resiak> Xira: Money?
[04:24] <Xira> I am so desperate
[04:24] <Xira> I guess I just better give up and use every other distro it works with
[04:24] <Xira> :/
[04:25] <Xira> :(
[04:25] <Xira> Hi guys, I am willing to do anything to get Ubuntu to work. Whenever I install it on my desktop with a dell 1704fp monitor and 9800 pro 256 (which it detects fine), when x starts, i just get a black screen and my monitor turns off (im assuming it stops receiving signal) i've tried to look in my x logs and modify my conf for the hell of it with no success, could someone possibly ssh into my amchine and fix it <--
[04:26] <Xira> if someone can get it to work i'll paypal them 5$ :/
[04:26] <LeeJunFan> Xira: it's probably set to a refresh rate that the monitor can't handle.
[04:26] <Xira> LeeJunFan, negative
[04:26] <Xira> tripplechecked
[04:27] <fissy> which driver is it trying to use Xira ?
[04:27] <LeeJunFan> Xira: may I /msg you?
[04:27] <Xira> of course
[04:28] <Xira> fissy, the 'radeon' 2d driver, i've tried vesa as well
[04:28] <Xira> vesa results in monitor signal... but a mess of colors
[04:28] <fissy> keep it on vesa while you're trying to fix it, lowest common denominator... shotgun bug fixing
[04:28] <ions> test
[04:29] <Xira> yep...
[04:29] <Xira> vesa == mess of colors
[04:29] <Xira> doesnt matter which res
[04:29] <Xira> it would just be best of someone ssh'd in and tried it
[04:30] <skreet> FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686-smp/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko): Operation not permitted
[04:30] <skreet> .. Anyone?
[04:30] <resiak> Someone SSH in and blow up his screen!
[04:30] <skreet> ooooh wait
[04:30] <fissy> have you got an unusual configuration, like using a dvi cable?
[04:30] <fissy> skreet, sudo
[04:30] <fissy> :)
[04:30] <deang> Where do I find my VNC config file?
[04:30] <deang> er, what's it called.
[04:31] <EMan> so, im disliking FC3 and told to use Ubuntu.  Why would one use Ubuntu over Debian?
[04:31] <skreet> Whats the module autoload file?
[04:31] <skreet> Ubuntu is updated and pre-setup
[04:31] <skreet> Debian is out of date if you use stable, and you have to build from a console.
[04:31] <tvelocity> EMan, sensible defaults, just'works philosophy, etc...
[04:31] <MoneyCat> deang: /etc/vnc.conf
[04:31] <Arnia> Ubuntu is focused on usability
[04:31] <EMan> How often is it updated (ie, can I install Ubuntu and apt-get gnome to get 2.10)?
[04:32] <fissy>  /etc/modules skreet
[04:32] <skreet> resiak, Dont you not get a pre-installed GUI/programs with Sarge?
[04:32] <Arnia> Ubuntu is on a 6 month release cycle tracking Gnome
[04:32] <resiak> skreet: If you choose "Graphical Desktop" when you install, then you get all that stuff. If you don't, then you don't. This seems sane to me.
[04:33] <skreet> resiak, My mistake then, must be thinking of something else.
[04:33] <tkiesel> All the cutting-edge ness of Debian unstable, but more stable.
[04:33] <EMan> Seems reasonable.  Now, how stable is Hoary?  Is it worth installing now, or should I just go with warty and apt upgrade when it goes open?
[04:33] <Arnia> Isn't Breezy going to build a graphical installer?
[04:33] <Arnia> I've been using Hoary for a while. Its fine
[04:33] <smouche> help! --  I need to log-in as root.  I set a password for root, but the log-in screen won't let me log in as root -- if I ^-Alt-f for the commandline,
[04:34] <smouche> what command gets me to the desktop?
[04:34] <tkiesel> I'm going to apt Hoary after it's released. I'm in no rush.  9 days wait? No biggie.
[04:34] <skreet> smouche, CTRL+ALT+F7 Will bring you back to GDM, if thats what you mean
[04:34] <smouche> I meant Ctl-Alt f6, of course...
[04:34] <skreet> 9 days until final?
[04:34] <smouche> skreet, no, I want the gui as root -- f7 sends me back to the regular user
[04:35] <EMan> ok, Ubuntu seems like the new distro ill install
[04:35] <skreet> smouche, I think you need to set GDM to allow root logins, or close GDM and setup xinit to start Gnome manually from a root console.
[04:35] <tkiesel> 9 days or ten. Next Wednesday.
[04:35] <resiak> FTLOG, man, why do you want to log into X as root?
[04:35] <randabis> uh, why would you want to run your x-session as root?
[04:35] <skreet> smouche, Yes theres an option in GDM settings to allow root login via GDM
[04:36] <randabis> that's asking for trouble there
[04:36] <skreet> login as your user and set that checkbox..
[04:36] <smouche> unfortunately, skreet, I'm not using GDM, I'm on kubuntu -- but maybe there's a similar option in kde -- I'll check -- but thank you! :-)
[04:36] <randabis> the question is, why would you ever need to do that...
[04:36] <skreet> smouche, Oh, I'm sure there is.
[04:36] <skreet> logging to check on nvidia kernels, wish me luck.
[04:37] <randabis> good luck
[04:37] <geneo93> smouche:  login manager
[04:37] <EMan> Ubuntu have any issues with the nVidia drivers (like I had in FC3 because of udev)?
[04:38] <fissy> I've just installed using synaptic and getting 7000fps on glxgears EMan
[04:38] <smouche> thanks geneo93... looking...
[04:38] <tkiesel> Eman, Not that I'm aware of. I've got the Nvidia driver working with my GeForce FX5900XT like a charm. opengl zips along really nice.
[04:38] <geneo93> knotrol center system admin
[04:38] <underlord> i have a new router and 2 ubuntu systems, when i boot them they seem to recognise their ethernet cards (eth0 is created) but dhclient doesnt get run so i have to do it manualy to get them online, any way i can fix this?
[04:39] <tkiesel> 80-150ish fps on Armagetron during internet play.
[04:39] <skreet> Anyone here playing World of Warcraft perfectly in Ubuntu-Hoary?
[04:39] <Zevin> you can play it on linux?
[04:39] <Zevin> sweet
[04:39] <EMan> Yes, I play it now in FC3
[04:39] <resiak> Cedega \o/
[04:39] <tkiesel> Yep.
[04:39] <Zevin> i'll have to try that
[04:39] <geneo93> i have a freecraft rpm i'm going to try later
[04:40] <Zevin> i could just totally get rid of xp if i could do that
[04:40] <EMan> And I'll be playing WoW in Ubuntu hopefully later tonight
[04:40] <skreet> I've heard that WineCVS actually does a better job than cedega
[04:40] <EMan> for 3D games? really?
[04:40] <skreet> EMan what kind of video card do you have?
[04:40] <skreet> For WoW, rumors arnt reliable.
[04:40] <EMan> BFG GeForce 6800 ULTRA OC
[04:40] <skreet> :D Thats why I'm asking around.
[04:40] <skreet> EMan You're one step up on me, what do you get for FPS in FC3?
[04:41] <EMan> Ya, Wine focuses on GL and DirectDraw, not really D3D
[04:41] <gratuit> I think most of cedegas changes are incorperated into the wineCVS tree
[04:41] <gratuit> so you can get it for free......
[04:41] <skreet> gratuit, I thought cedega was a commercial product?
[04:41] <skreet> What licence is Wine under?
[04:41] <EMan> I run in 1024 fullscreen on a 1024 desktop (so its in a window but WoW thinks its fullscreen), and my fps ranges from 20-90, depending on the scene
[04:41] <underlord> gpl?
[04:42] <skreet> EMan, Thats kinda crappy considering your video card, I'm assuming your system is equally beefy?
[04:42] <gratuit> but then if you stop paying for cedega, and they go out of business, then development will slow down substantially
[04:42] <EMan> ya, 3.4ghz, 2 gigs ram, SATA HD.. its faster in fullscreen mode, just like in Windows
[04:42] <skreet> EMan, Oh, I thought you said it was fullscreen mode.
[04:42] <EMan> You lose a bit of speed in the translation from DirectX -> OpenGL
[04:43] <skreet> Man, 2 GB of ram, thats overkill :)
[04:43] <Zevin> ok, can anyone tell me how hard it is to install wine and use it? i'm a newb to linux pretty much. ndiswrapper took all my linux knowledge to install:)
[04:43] <skreet> EMan, You're not running -opengl?
[04:43] <EMan> No, I am running fullscreen in a 1024 window, its an option in Cedega
[04:43] <skreet> Ah.
[04:43] <EMan> No, that was a bit buggy for me
[04:43] <tkiesel> Wine was very easy with a package called winetools.
[04:43] <artaxerxes> has anyone had any success with a linksys wpc54g card?
[04:43] <EMan> Did you get WoW running in Wine?
[04:43] <tkiesel> winetools stepped me through all the parts of installing the basics.
[04:43] <skreet> No, I'm debating on trying Cedega again
[04:43] <EMan> that the PCMCIA one artaxerxes
[04:43] <resiak> Zevin: Cedega (the $ version) is really easy.
[04:43] <tkiesel> Nahh. My brother in law runs WoW, not me.
[04:43] <skreet> I've had such a bad exeriance the last few times.
[04:44] <artaxerxes> EMan: yes
[04:44] <EMan> I have used it on my laptop before
[04:44] <skreet> I think my cedega subscription is tstill good.
[04:44] <EMan> skreet, Cedega got a lot better recently. I can even play my HL2!
[04:44] <skreet> EMan, Well?
[04:44] <artaxerxes> did you use WEP or open connection? I can't seem to get it to connect.
[04:44] <EMan> artaxerxes, WEP, what drivers you using?
[04:45] <EMan> skreet, huh? I miss something?
[04:45] <artaxerxes> linksys v.2 and ndiswrapper
[04:45] <skreet> EMan, Did it work well?
[04:45] <skreet> Like, playably 30+ fps?
[04:45] <EMan> skreet, oh :), it runs pretty nice, but I have an issue where if my resolution changes, my LCD monitor goes black
[04:46] <skreet> EMan, Okay do you use Cedega or P2P+Cedega?
[04:46] <EMan> skreet, I like P2P, just because it is easier to manage
[04:46] <skreet> See, honestly, I found it confusing.
[04:46] <skreet> Did you follow any howtos?
[04:47] <skreet> or just figure it out?
[04:47] <^thehatsrule^> P2P?
[04:47] <skreet> Point2Play
[04:47] <skreet> Frontend for Cedega
[04:47] <EMan> skreet, well, its easier to use now than it was.  Just put a cd in, click the install button, and it creates a new directory for your game with its own wine settings
[04:47] <share> question : hello, I would like to add my windows partition into the grub menu as well. in ubuntuguide it says, assuming windows on /dev/hda1 ; it should be => (hd0,0) . what if windows is on hda5 ; then what we do ?
[04:47] <Creete> hello
[04:48] <EMan> skreet, WoW installed flawlessly off the CD
[04:48] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[04:48] <^thehatsrule^> did it run the same performance EMan?
[04:48] <HrdwrBoB> check the release notes and/or the unofficial wiki
[04:48] <skreet> EMan, Last ver I tried was the one before 4.3
[04:48] <Wildthing> unfortunate cedega costs $ :(
[04:48] <tkiesel> The toughie for me has been Dreamweaver MX 2004.  The installer is the thing I have trouble getting past.
[04:48] <HrdwrBoB> because it will result in a 3x speedup
[04:48] <skreet> 4.2.6 I think it was.
[04:48] <skreet> I was unimpressed, or doing something wrong.
[04:49] <EMan> ^thehatsrule^, running the same windows settings in both Windows and Linux, its pretty much the same
[04:49] <^thehatsrule^> pretty much? hehe
[04:49] <EMan> Linux is a bit slower for me, but im not using OpenGL mode
[04:49] <skreet> Isnt HL2 OpenGL anyway?
[04:49] <share> question : hello, I would like to add my windows partition into the grub menu as well. in ubuntuguide it says, assuming windows on /dev/hda1 ; it should be => (hd0,0) . what if windows is on hda5 ; then what we do ?
[04:49] <EMan> nope, HL2 is DX only
[04:49] <^thehatsrule^> skreet, NO!
[04:49] <Creete> Got a quick question, maybe someone can point me in the right direction...when I start up, the black X server cursor stays on the screen for about 1 minute, even though I have my regular cursor. Any ideas?
[04:49] <skreet> DX only?!
[04:49] <skreet> Wow.
[04:49] <skreet> Thats different.
[04:49] <Wildthing> how does performance w/ cedega compare to performance on windowz?
[04:49] <skreet> Not that i dislike DX, it's very nice.
[04:50] <^thehatsrule^> hehe, guess you havent heard ;p
[04:50] <EMan> It sucks, but DX is currently way ahead of GL in its featureset
[04:50] <Wildthing> cuz i remember i tried wine for mIRC and it was slow...
[04:50] <bob2> Creete: trident or s3 card?
[04:50] <Creete> s3
[04:50] <skreet> ... why would you wine mIRC
[04:50] <^thehatsrule^> exactly my thoughts
[04:50] <skreet> Theres literally like 50 gui clients for IRC :D
[04:50] <EMan> Wildthing, Cedega for games runs pretty darn well. My FPS is only a bit slower than in Windows for WoW.  Diablo 2 runs fine, HL2 runs fine
[04:50] <skreet> then another 50 for console
[04:50] <Wildthing> was just a test, skreet
[04:50] <share> question : hello, I would like to add my windows partition into the grub menu as well. in ubuntuguide it says, assuming windows on /dev/hda1 ; it should be => (hd0,0) . what if windows is on hda5 ; then what we do ?
[04:50] <Creete> think it might be the driver?
[04:50] <skreet> Ah, I see :D
[04:50] <skreet> Good enough.
[04:50] <skreet> share, you'll get banned if you keep that up.
[04:51] <skreet> If anyone knew the answer they'd help you to it.
[04:51] <^thehatsrule^> Wildthing, cedega/winex includes better gfx support, cause i think they have their own dx support
[04:51] <share> ban me then i don't need you
[04:51] <EMan> Wildthing, But you can go to cedega's site (www.transgaming.com) and see which games work, how well they work, etc
[04:51] <skreet> (hd0,4)
[04:51] <Wildthing> oic
[04:51] <skreet> Heh
[04:51] <artaxerxes> what is a good pcmcia wireless card to use with Ubuntu? (i looked at supported hardware, just want opinions)
[04:51] <EMan> Cedega emulates DirectX
[04:51] <skreet> artaxerxes, Intel ipw2200
[04:51] <Wildthing> so getting cedega will cost me a $5 subscription fee?
[04:51] <EMan> artaxerxes, what you are using is not what I used.  I used the wlan drivers
[04:51] <Creete> thanks...bye!
[04:51] <skreet> Never had a problem with my 2200 b/g in my laptop
[04:51] <skreet> it's internal.
[04:52] <skreet> Wildthing, 15$, it's sold in sets of 3 months
[04:52] <Zevin> thats hella spendy
[04:52] <EMan> Wildthing, something like that, I don't remember. I just like that it runs my WoW nicely in a window, so I can code while I lpay
[04:52] <Wildthing> oh
[04:52] <Zevin> forget that
[04:52] <zenwhen> artaxerxes,
[04:52] <zenwhen> Orinoco Gold Classic
[04:52] <skreet> EMan, Man, I can barely play when I play, nevermind code.
[04:52] <calc> you can buy intel 2915abg pretty cheaply now as well
[04:52] <zenwhen> The Orinoco Gold Classic is THE best supported card in both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels
[04:52] <Wildthing> skreet, is it worth it iyo?  cuz i keep an xp boot on this laptop too...
[04:52] <calc> its minipci though
[04:52] <EMan> artaxerxes, but then again, the last time I tried to get that card working was a year and a half ago :/
[04:53] <Pizbit> EMan: Can you full screen WoW with Cedega?
[04:53] <EMan> Pizbit, you can, sure
[04:53] <lewwy> hooray for gaim
[04:53] <OmniColos> what version of the orinoco driver does ubuntu use?
[04:53] <Pizbit> EMan: Sister and brother-in-law are addicted and I'm getting interested ya see
[04:54] <EMan> Pizbit, I started on EQ2, then slowly all the guys at work moved me over to WoW
[04:54] <Pizbit> Hehe
[04:54] <lewwy> EMan: you play games at work?
[04:54] <Pizbit> lewwy: Who doesn't?
[04:54] <lewwy> well with all my shelf stacking
[04:54] <EMan> lewiz, well, its a game company, but we play at home or after hours
[04:54] <lewwy> i dont get time to play
[04:54] <skreet> Except for uh.. when I put demos on the display machines.
[04:54] <skreet> UT2004 style.
[04:55] <lewwy> lol
[04:55] <skreet> EMan, Who do you work for?
[04:55] <Wildthing> oh wow! you can play starcraft windowed!!!!
[04:55] <EMan> Yup, and Diablo 2
[04:55] <Skaaa> and ET
[04:55] <lewwy> and Postal 2
[04:55] <skreet> Couldent you always play Starcraft windowed?
[04:55] <skreet> and GTA2 :D
[04:55] <hou5ton> I am reading in the wiki about adding some repositories to get some multimedia stuff work ... (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543) and it is using the name "warty" .... If i'm on Hoary do I just substitute that name hope it all works the same?
[04:55] <lewwy> hey dudes
[04:55] <EMan> uhh, I don't think I should say.  I am in Austin, if that helps.
[04:56] <skreet> hou5ton, You can try, which repository?
[04:56] <Wildthing> what does the * mean on their list of games?
[04:56] <lewwy> :-P
[04:56] <lewwy> wow
[04:56] <lewwy> gaim interprets smilies
[04:56] <Wildthing> skreet, i don't think you could on windows
[04:56] <hou5ton> skreet:  multiverse
[04:56] <skreet> EMan, It doesnt help, and I work for a competing company.. *kidding*
[04:56] <skreet> :D
[04:56] <skreet> No biggie.
[04:56] <Skaaa> wildthing: yes you could, i used to do it all the time
[04:56] <Wildthing> really?
[04:56] <EMan> Pass in -w
[04:56] <Skaaa> yup
[04:56] <skreet> I think it was -windowed
[04:56] <skreet> or, -w
[04:56] <skreet> right.
[04:57] <EMan> -w worked for Diablo 2
[04:57] <lewwy> how can i get half life to work using wine?
[04:57] <hou5ton> skreet:  also Marillat
[04:57] <EMan> I think it was the same for SC
[04:57] <Wildthing> oh...when i was in windows i rarely used cli
[04:57] <lewwy> probably the wrong place
[04:57] <Pizbit> hou5ton: Yeah, think 'hoary' where it says 'warty'
[04:57] <lewwy> but meh
[04:57] <EMan> lewwy, I have never gotten it working with Wine, only Cedega
[04:57] <skreet> hou5ton, It'll work for nerim's multiverse but you need to setup your pgp for it.
[04:57] <lewwy> you have cedega?
[04:57] <^thehatsrule^> lewwy, hl1?
[04:57] <EMan> lewwy, yes
[04:57] <Skaaa> who wants to convince me not to switch my Ubuntu computer to windows 95?
[04:57] <^thehatsrule^> ive done it with wine's cvs
[04:57] <lewwy> did it buy it?
[04:58] <skreet> Wildthing, CLI is the reason I dont use windows.
[04:58] <tkiesel> Skaaa, go for it if you want to.
[04:58] <lewwy> did u buy cedega?
[04:58] <EMan> lewiz, yes
[04:58] <^thehatsrule^> lol Skaaa... win95?!
[04:58] <Pizbit> Skaaa: win95 doesn't have a cute icon?:)
[04:58] <lewwy> good good
[04:58] <skreet> Everything is hidden from you.. I have thing wrong with Windows at all, I just hate not being in complete control when something goes wrong.
[04:58] <chronusdark> has anyone in here been able to get PyMusique to work on hoary?
[04:58] <Skaaa> its an only 750mhz processor
[04:58] <Wildthing> Skaaa, win95 doesn't have the drum sound when u get to the login screen
[04:58] <EMan> Skaaa, Windows 95 crashes way more than 98 and XP combined
[04:58] <Skaaa> i doubt it could handle XP
[04:58] <EMan> Skaaa, Windows costs you money
[04:58] <skreet> 750Mhz..
[04:58] <^thehatsrule^> lewwy, if youre running only hl1, itll run fine
[04:58] <lewwy> my 400mhz could handle XP
[04:58] <skreet> use ME
[04:58] <lewwy> k
[04:58] <skreet> if you're going to use windows
[04:58] <Skaaa> i have illegal copies of like every windows lol
[04:58] <Wildthing> my friend's 166 runs XP\
[04:58] <skreet> 95 is wicked depriated.
[04:58] <^thehatsrule^> Skaaa, im on 800.... and every o/s is fine
[04:58] <Pizbit> Skaaa: You've got to be kidding
[04:59] <Pizbit> Skaaa: ME is a total joke
[04:59] <Wildthing> no
[04:59] <^thehatsrule^> haha
[04:59] <^thehatsrule^> yea
[04:59] <^thehatsrule^> it is
[04:59] <skreet> Pizbit, ME works fine
[04:59] <Wildthing> you keep ME around in case the FBI comes to your house
[04:59] <lewwy> i dunno guys, did anyone else see that article from microsoft saying that linux costs more
[04:59] <skreet> As long as you dont try to install new or old software on it
[04:59] <skreet> it's picky.
[04:59] <^thehatsrule^> microsoft even said ME was their worst product ever
[04:59] <Wildthing> that way you look retarded
[04:59] <Skaaa> XP is really the only stable windows OS
[04:59] <^thehatsrule^> MS said that
[04:59] <lewwy> yeap
[04:59] <Skaaa> but its a crumy computer
[04:59] <lewwy> didnt u guys see that?
[04:59] <Zevin> XP? stable? hardly
[04:59] <tkiesel> 750MHz is fine.  Just grab a bit more memory. :)
[04:59] <Pizbit> Skaaa: How much RAM?
[04:59] <EMan> Skaaa, what do you want to use it for?
[04:59] <skreet> XP is very stable.
[05:00] <lewwy> 400mhz w/ 256mb pc133 ran like a dream
[05:00] <Skaaa> 384 MB
[05:00] <chronusdark> excuse me but has anyone in here been able to get PyMusique to work on hoary?
[05:00] <lewwy> one u get it up tho
[05:00] <Skaaa> i want to use it as a TS server
[05:00] <Skaaa> voip
[05:00] <lewwy> go msconfig -> processes
[05:00] <Wildthing> XP is a stable platform for multiple instances of spyware, adware and viruses
[05:00] <Zevin> if xp is stable, i'm rumple-stilskin
[05:00] <skreet> Skaaa, There ya go.
[05:00] <lewwy> and hit disable all, and then enable sound and everything to do with network
[05:00] <skreet> I run a TS server on my server (ubuntu-warty)
[05:00] <lewwy> beeeeeutiful
[05:00] <EMan> Skaaa, then use Linux
[05:00] <Skaaa> i have had so many problems in linux
[05:00] <^thehatsrule^> ive run winxp on a 64mb ram, 800mhz
[05:00] <EMan> Skaaa, a friend of mine got hacked through Teamspeak on his Windows server
[05:00] <Skaaa> i am ready to cry lol
[05:00] <skreet> We had a system in at my work (comptuer repair shop) that had XP on it.
[05:00] <skreet> It had SIMM meory
[05:00] <^thehatsrule^> lol... for gaming its kinda hard
[05:01] <Skaaa> the server will only go up at certain times
[05:01] <skreet> it was a pentium 90
[05:01] <skreet> I dont know how they got XP on it
[05:01] <EMan> Skaaa, then use what you feel most comfortable with
[05:01] <tkiesel> lewwy, Microsoft is saying that Linux has a higher Total Cost of Ownership. (TCO)  This is debatable at best.  Plus, their evaluation is based on an enterprise setting, having little to nothing to do with a home user's experience.
[05:01] <calc> xp might not be particularly secure from stupid users but it is fairly stable
[05:01] <skreet> but it was in because "it has been running slow since the XP upgrade"
[05:01] <javi> hello there, hey im just wondering how can i convert .wma files to .mp3 or .ogg ;o ? any suggestions ?
[05:01] <skreet> "from.. 95"
[05:01] <Dr_Acemaster> what's the command to go up one dir?
[05:01] <calc> though when it goes down at least ime it seems to kill itself a lot easier than linux
[05:01] <skreet> Dr_Acemaster, cd ..
[05:01] <^thehatsrule^> cd ..
[05:01] <lewwy> Dr_Acemaster: cd ..
[05:01] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[05:01] <lewwy> not to be confused with cd..
[05:02] <Skaaa> i am not comfortable with effing anything except Mac OS9\
[05:02] <skreet> .. is a virtual directory for parent.
[05:02] <Dr_Acemaster> ahh
[05:02] <calc> eg the one time i have had xp crash in the past year it ate the partition at the same time
[05:02] <Skaaa> and XPish.
[05:02] <Dr_Acemaster> heh
[05:02] <skreet> . is a virtual directory for current
[05:02] <geneo93> skreet:  its simole install xp to hd then install hd to junk box
[05:02] <lewwy> yes, thankyou *bows*
[05:02] <Skaaa> i am just SICK OF CRAP HAPPENING
[05:02] <lewwy> stop eating then
[05:02] <skreet> geneo93, YEs but these people dont know what a hard drive is
[05:02] <skreet> They called the tower a modem
[05:02] <DanC_ub> ok... wierd... the volume knobs in totem and alsaplayer work, but the gnome volume control doesn't
[05:02] <skreet> So it musta gone in easy.
[05:03] <lewwy> hey guys
[05:03] <lewwy> what the hell does nvidia-glx do
[05:03] <skreet> EMan, You stickin around for a bit?
[05:03] <lewwy> same thing as the nvidia drivers?
[05:03] <geneo93> skreet:  prolly someone they knew did it just to baffle you guys
[05:03] <^thehatsrule^> its the binary drivers lewiz
[05:03] <^thehatsrule^> lewwy*
[05:03] <skreet> lewwy, nvidia-glx are the nvidia drivers..
[05:03] <tkiesel> javi, I'm looking.
[05:03] <^thehatsrule^> gives better acceleration
[05:03] <^thehatsrule^> etc
[05:03] <lewwy> ah
[05:03] <lewwy> ok
[05:03] <lewwy> thanks
[05:03] <skreet> geneo93, Peopel dont baffle us for 45$ an hour.
[05:04] <EMan> calc, It started with Cedega, which was on topic (I think)... its skreet's fault!
[05:04] <skreet> geneo93,  :D
[05:04] <javi> k ;o
[05:04] <lewwy> so...no need to install the drivers from nviida?
[05:04] <lewwy> nvidia*
[05:04] <^thehatsrule^> up to you
[05:04] <geneo93> skreet:  is that all you get
[05:04] <lewwy> yeh but
[05:04] <Skaaa> screw it. goodbye linux, i really had liked you.
[05:04] <^thehatsrule^> lol Skaaa
[05:04] <skreet> geneo93, Thats what we charge.
[05:04] <lewwy> nvidia-glx does the same thing?
[05:04] <skreet> geneo93, Good price, eh? I thought so.
[05:04] <calc> EMan: ok :)
[05:04] <lewwy> i suppose for those of us that works, linux is good
[05:05] <geneo93> skreet:  thats cheap
[05:05] <^thehatsrule^> dont worry, youll come back later in a coupla years Skaaa
[05:05] <Skaaa> gerrrrr
[05:05] <skreet> geneo93, We're pretty good, local shop.. keeps up afloat.
[05:05] <Skaaa> i am so resistant to do this cause i know how much windows sucks
[05:05] <lewwy> whats Skaaa's beef?
[05:05] <tkiesel> javi, Synaptic doesn't show a ton of options to me, but I know an easy one that I used recently with some iTunes songs that my wife and I downloaded this weekend.
[05:05] <lewwy> whats hit problem?
[05:05] <lewwy> his*
[05:05] <neighborlee> anyone know how to fix this error I see on every reboot ( whether or not I change permissions):: Error: Could not open /dev/nvidiactl because the permissions
[05:05] <neighborlee> are too resticitive ?
[05:05] <^thehatsrule^> its the same with me, im still halfway btwn linux and windows
[05:05] <skreet> Skaaa, What's going on Skaaa?
[05:05] <tkiesel> I had her burn them to CD, then ripped that CD to ogg files.
[05:05] <lewwy> neighborlee: change into root man
[05:06] <Skaaa> my problem is on my windows XP computer i can set up a ventrilo server that works fin
[05:06] <lewwy> neighborlee: su into root
[05:06] <Skaaa> fine
[05:06] <lewwy> then try whatever ur trying
[05:06] <lewwy> yeh
[05:06] <javi> :o
[05:06] <Skaaa> on my linux box, IT WONT WORK
[05:06] <skreet> Skaaa, Is Ventrillo crossplatform?
[05:06] <Skaaa> i have no idea
[05:06] <lewwy> get the windows version and wine it
[05:06] <skreet> Use TS, it works fine.
[05:06] <skreet> Fekk that.
[05:06] <skreet> Use TS.
[05:06] <Skaaa> all i know is it cant bind the TCP socket. ever.
[05:06] <EMan> Skaaa, yes Ventrilo is
[05:07] <skreet> Eh, cant help you with ventrillo
[05:07] <Skaaa> it even says it does occasionally, then it doesnt
[05:07] <lewwy> any cool games on the repositries?
[05:07] <skreet> cube is a neat game, if you like dying alot.
[05:07] <lewwy> oh yeh
[05:07] <lewwy> quake ripoff
[05:07] <skreet> well.. ya.
[05:07] <lewwy> anyone make a conversion of quake 3?
[05:07] <lewwy> i gots a copy of that
[05:07] <lewwy> ohh far cry on linux *drools*
[05:07] <Skaaa> sigh, yet another reformat
[05:07] <neighborlee> lewiz, i've changed the permissions but on every reboot it  defaults back is what i'm saying..I just changed it just now but on every boot it goes back to root.root
[05:07] <skreet> Isnt Quake 3 native?
[05:07] <lewwy> that'd kick insumountable amounts of ass
[05:07] <tkiesel> armagetron is pretty fun.
[05:07] <skreet> Skaaa, I'm tellin ya
[05:07] <skreet> TS works.
[05:07] <skreet> I've done it.
[05:07] <^thehatsrule^> any WolfET players here?
[05:07] <skreet> TS to k-cubed.net :D
[05:08] <skreet> It's on my floor!
[05:08] <Skaaa> okay i am reinstalling Ubuntu
[05:08] <skreet> oh
[05:08] <skreet> I thought you were putting ME on lol
[05:08] <^thehatsrule^> i mean is there any rtcw:et players then ;p
[05:08] <lewwy> yeh Skaaa, might be the way to go
[05:08] <Skaaa> i had already formatted the drive
[05:08] <^thehatsrule^> bleh, no players on today
[05:08] <Skaaa> ew, ME is awful, 95 is better than ME
[05:08] <lewwy> ok, the one thing that really tops ubuntu off for me
[05:08] <skreet> ^thehatsrule^, On what?
[05:08] <skreet> I never had a big deal with ME
[05:08] <skreet> until you put alot of crap on it
[05:08] <^thehatsrule^> on anything
[05:08] <skreet> then it hates you.
[05:08] <Skaaa> yeah
[05:08] <lewwy> is the sole fact of the loading bars
[05:09] <lewwy> and they are animated
[05:09] <lewwy> ANIMATED!
[05:09] <^thehatsrule^> et's for pc... linux/mac/win
[05:09] <^thehatsrule^> ya play skreet? ;p
[05:09] <skreet> .. gnomes loading bars are animated..
[05:09] <lewwy> ok
[05:09] <skreet> ^thehatsrule^, et's?
[05:09] <Zevin> hey,where can i download wine?
[05:09] <Skaaa> ET
[05:09] <lewwy> anyone here that thinks MacOS X sucks and is a ripoff of linux raise your hand
[05:09] <Skaaa> enemy territory
[05:09] <skreet> zenrox, winehq.org is the site
[05:09] <^thehatsrule^> ya
[05:09] <dabeej> is there a way to switch sound cards?
[05:09] <Skaaa> great game
[05:09] <^thehatsrule^> Skaaa, skreet, you guys play?
[05:09] <Pizbit> Zevin: Enable universe
[05:10] <Skaaa> not anymore, i got too addicted
[05:10] <lewwy> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhh
[05:10] <skreet> Play what?! I'm so lost.
[05:10] <dabeej> i want to use my onboard soundcard which is i guess the second one setup in ALSA
[05:10] <Skaaa> it was ruining my life
[05:10] <lewwy> yeh
[05:10] <lewwy> play what
[05:10] <lewwy> the hells ET?
[05:10] <tritium> Zevin, if you get wine from winehq.com, also grab winetools
[05:10] <Skaaa> now i play CoD
[05:10] <lewwy> enemy territory?
[05:10] <Dr_Acemaster> if I use apt-cache search 'package' and just get bash back, what does that mean? it couldn't find any packages?
[05:10] <lewwy> isnt that windows only?
[05:10] <factotum> is there an app available just for ripping mp3 to wav?
[05:10] <dabeej> was wondering if ubuntu had a gui to configure
[05:10] <^thehatsrule^> enemy territory
[05:10] <skreet> Oh.
[05:10] <^thehatsrule^> yes
[05:10] <^thehatsrule^> no
[05:10] <Skaaa> ET= wolfenstein:enemy territory
[05:10] <Pizbit> Dr_Acemaster: Correct
[05:10] <skreet> No, Enemy Territory is Native, right?
[05:10] <lewwy> what, someone ported it?
[05:10] <skreet> I played it a few times, wasnt too impressed.
[05:10] <^thehatsrule^> ET's is free - for win/lin/mac
[05:10] <Pizbit> Dr_Acemaster: No need for the ' btw
[05:10] <tritium> Dr_Acemaster, still looking for esdplay?  That's in esound-clients
[05:10] <skreet> Yes they released it for free.
[05:10] <^thehatsrule^> NO, its been for win/lin since long ago
[05:10] <Skaaa> i was really impressed, considering its free
[05:10] <skreet> I paid for it Skaaa
[05:10] <skreet> :D
[05:11] <Dr_Acemaster> tritium: I installed that and still not getting any sounds in xchat
[05:11] <Skaaa> graphics arent too bad
[05:11] <skreet> It came with RTC
[05:11] <lewwy> is q3 for linux?
[05:11] <Skaaa> heh, i got it randomly in the mail
[05:11] <^thehatsrule^> you cant pay....
[05:11] <Pizbit> Dr_Acemaster: Did you setup xchat to use it?:)
[05:11] <lewwy> oh wait
[05:11] <^thehatsrule^> lewwy, yes it is
[05:11] <lewwy> it is too
[05:11] <EMan> all ID Software games have linux clients
[05:11] <lewwy> sooo
[05:11] <lewwy> can i download a 10mb package and it'll port it?
[05:11] <Dr_Acemaster> Pizbit: how do I do that?
[05:11] <Skaaa> CoD is ID and i have had problems out the wazoo using it on linux
[05:11] <skreet> I wish more companies were like ID
[05:11] <^thehatsrule^> yes... it has the native binaries
[05:11] <Dr_Acemaster> I don't know the path
[05:11] <EMan> You need the retail box from the store, then you get the linux client from ID's site, which has a linux installer
[05:11] <tritium> Dr_Acemaster, is esd running currently?  what does pgrep esd return?
[05:12] <lewwy> SCORE
[05:12] <Pizbit> Dr_Acemaster: Settings -> Preferences -> Chatting -> Sound
[05:12] <lewwy> how do you mount ISO's on linux?
[05:12] <^thehatsrule^> Skaaa, not exactly, it uses ID's engine
[05:12] <Skaaa> oh.
[05:12] <Dr_Acemaster> tritium: 3436
[05:12] <lewwy> anyone know how to mount iso's underneath linux?
[05:12] <tkiesel> Good night everyone.
[05:12] <^thehatsrule^> mount -t iso9660 blah ... i think its something like that
[05:12] <tritium> Dr_Acemaster, okay, it's running
[05:12] <Pizbit> Zevin: Use this to find out how to enable universe http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:12] <Skaaa> ill keep my main computer on XP for my sake, im retarted
[05:12] <tritium> Dr_Acemaster, other apps give you sound?
[05:12] <skreet> lewwy, Good question.
[05:12] <Dr_Acemaster> tritium: yes
[05:13] <Skaaa> i dont know how to convert any of this stuff
[05:13] <Dr_Acemaster> it asks for path of external program
[05:13] <fissy> mount -t auto -o loop /path/to/iso.iso /path/to/mount/point
[05:13] <Dr_Acemaster> how do I determine the path?
[05:13] <^thehatsrule^> eh, so i suppose none of you guys play then ;p
[05:13] <tritium> Dr_Acemaster, which esdplay
[05:13] <Dr_Acemaster> sure :)
[05:13] <Dr_Acemaster> of anything
[05:13] <Dr_Acemaster> find?
[05:13] <Dr_Acemaster> locate?
[05:13] <tritium> no, which
[05:13] <Pizbit> Dr_Acemaster: You type 'which esdplay' into a terminal
[05:13] <Dr_Acemaster> ahh
[05:13] <Dr_Acemaster> gotcha
[05:13] <Pizbit> Dr_Acemaster: Heck just do: /exec which esdplay
[05:13] <Dr_Acemaster> thought you meant 'which one'
[05:13] <Dr_Acemaster> heh
[05:13] <Skaaa> so, skreet, once this is reinstalled think you can assist me in setting up TS?
[05:14] <Zevin> wow, pizbit is a little cranky.
[05:14] <^thehatsrule^> lol... not really ;p
[05:14] <skreet> Skaaa, If I'm still awake i'll do my best to point you in the right direction.
[05:14] <skreet> Have you run a TS server before?
[05:14] <Skaaa> sounds cool
[05:14] <Pizbit> Zevin: If I let everyone message me I'd have a million message windows open as soon as I started speaking:P
[05:14] <Skaaa> no, ive been pretty loyal to ventrilo
[05:15] <skreet> Ah.
[05:15] <lewwy> dont suppose gunzip does rar?
[05:15] <bob2> nope
[05:15] <skreet> lewwy, I dont htink so.
[05:15] <Dr_Acemaster> negative, still no sound
[05:15] <lewwy> or any decompressing tool that comes with linux does rar?
[05:15] <skreet> www.rarsoft.com
[05:15] <Skaaa> I'm ready to leave them though
[05:15] <bob2> you wnat the "unrar" tool
[05:15] <synd> Pizbit: im gonna floodbot you
[05:15] <skreet> Theres linux versions there.
[05:15] <Skaaa> all the problems ive had lately
[05:15] <Dr_Acemaster> do I have to restart xchat perhaps?
[05:15] <bob2> or to tell your warez buddies to not use such a stupid format
[05:15] <synd> Pizbit: kidding.
[05:15] <tritium> lewwy, there's info on that on ubuntuguide.org
[05:15] <tritium> Dr_Acemaster, you shouldn't have to
[05:15] <lewwy> what?
[05:15] <tritium> Dr_Acemaster, have you tested esdplay with other sound files?
[05:15] <skreet> whats wrong with RAR?
[05:15] <lewwy> whos using a stupid format?
[05:15] <Dr_Acemaster> tritium: no
[05:16] <Pizbit> synd: *shrug* I'll just ignore you.
[05:16] <Marble2> What causes the error: "Kernel Panic - not syncing: attempted to kill init!" ?
[05:16] <randabis> if unrar doesn't work, you may need unrar-nonfree
[05:16] <bob2> lewwy: whoever gave you the file
[05:16] <bob2> skreet: proprietary
[05:16] <Marble2> I get it every damn time I try to boot to ubuntu
[05:16] <lewwy> apart from the fact it compresses better than zip
[05:16] <Marble2> I'm chrooted to the ubuntu drive atm
[05:16] <tritium> Dr_Acemaster, give it a try.
[05:16] <skreet> bob2, No more so than ZIP, etc.
[05:16] <deang> I'm setting up vnc for login on a slow box running 800x600.    The 640x480 is just fine, but I'd like to go to a lower color depth than 16.  What value should I use for $depth or $pixelformat?
[05:16] <skreet> It's not open source but the uprar is avail for most OS
[05:16] <Zevin> how can i ignore someone in IRC?
[05:17] <Dr_Acemaster> tritium: yes it works
[05:17] <randabis> gzip or bzip2 > you :)
[05:17] <bob2> skreet: no, there are Free implementations of ZIP and most every other format
[05:17] <Dr_Acemaster> tritium: in terminal
[05:17] <tritium> Dr_Acemaster, do you have sound files specified for it to play?
[05:17] <bob2> lewwy: not by much
[05:17] <Marble2> ZevinL /ignore
[05:17] <skreet> bob2, I see.
[05:17] <Dr_Acemaster> tritium: yes
[05:17] <lewwy> bob2 the file was compressed by a friend...
[05:17] <carambol> can i chang the Refresh Rate with a command?
[05:17] <lewwy> it has my assigment in it...
[05:17] <Dr_Acemaster> tritium: trying to use play button under settings>preferences>sound
[05:17] <Dr_Acemaster> take that back, working now :)
[05:18] <Skaaa> anyone have some input they could give me on overclocking? should I? why or why not?
[05:18] <Dr_Acemaster> didn't change anything
[05:18] <tritium> :)
[05:18] <skreet> Damn EMan left!
[05:18] <Dr_Acemaster> but it plays it very fast
[05:18] <skreet> Skaaa, for a server, i woudlent bother
[05:18] <randabis> I overclock...safely
[05:18] <skreet> that 750 should be able to host a mean TS server.
[05:18] <Skaaa> no for my main computer
[05:18] <Skaaa> its 2ghz
[05:18] <skreet> What do you have?
[05:18] <Quinn_Storm> Skaaa: that's almost twice the machine I'm on, heh
[05:19] <Skaaa> 2400mhz athlon
[05:19] <Dr_Acemaster> damn, sounds like crap
[05:19] <Dr_Acemaster> wonder why
[05:19] <carambol> can i change the the refresh rate in KDE? and how to do it?
[05:19] <skreet> 2400mhz or 2400+?
[05:19] <randabis> I have an athlon xp 2500+(1.83ghz) clocked @3200+ (2.2ghz)
[05:19] <^thehatsrule^> video options?
[05:19] <skreet> I have a P4 2.8 running at 2.8 :D
[05:19] <Pizbit> carambol: #kubuntu
[05:19] <Skaaa> 2400+
[05:19] <Marble2> anyone?
[05:19] <skreet> Tahts decent, 266 MHz fsb.
[05:19] <carambol> yep Pizbit
[05:19] <skreet> You could push it with a decent heatsink
[05:19] <Dr_Acemaster> tritium: thanks for your help
[05:19] <^thehatsrule^> eh Marble2?
[05:19] <randabis> Skaaa, 2400+ is not 2400mhz
[05:19] <Dr_Acemaster> and Pizbit to :)
[05:19] <tritium> Dr_Acemaster, no problem
[05:20] <Pizbit> np:)
[05:20] <skreet> Yea it's 2GHz, not shabby
[05:20] <Skaaa> yes i know i am retarted
[05:20] <skreet> Hey, he admits it right?
[05:20] <lewwy> holy dooly
[05:20] <factotum> eh, my 2600+ runs at 1.8 gHz so...
[05:20] <lewwy> thats the fastest extraction i've ever seen
[05:20] <calc> my 32000+ runs at 2000
[05:20] <skreet> Yes but you're 2600+ is a 333MHz fsb.
[05:20] <lewwy> my 2600+ runs at 1.9 - 2ghz
[05:20] <calc> erm 3200+ not 32k ;)
[05:20] <lewwy> cant remember
[05:20] <skreet> And you're 3200+ is a 400MHz fsb.
[05:20] <lewwy> sure heats up tho
[05:21] <randabis> my 2500+ is 1.83ghz, but it's a barton chip so..512kb l2 cache
[05:21] <calc> skreet: 800
[05:21] <skreet> calc Oh you didnt get the 32000+?
[05:21] <skreet> calc, No, it's 400MHz
[05:21] <Skaaa> i know some stuff about computers, but everything i know i have taught myself. so i dont know a lot of simple stuff like terminology
[05:21] <skreet> :D
[05:21] <randabis> but again, I have it clocked at 2.2ghz
[05:21] <skreet> calc, 2-way Bus.
[05:21] <skreet> calc 200MHz clock speed.
[05:21] <randabis> correct
[05:21] <randabis> my overclock consisted of changing the 166mhz bus to 200 mhz
[05:22] <skreet> randabis, Neat.
[05:22] <skreet> What chip again?
[05:22] <randabis> athlon xp 2500+ barton
[05:22] <benjanet> does someone transfer files over bluetoth on ubuntu hoary ?
[05:22] <calc> skreet: hypertransport is only ddr?
[05:22] <calc> skreet: then how come they say its 800? :)
[05:22] <skreet> calc, Wait, it's athlon 64?
[05:22] <calc> skreet: yes
[05:22] <skreet> calc, You didnt specify
[05:23] <skreet> :D
[05:23] <skreet> I thought you meant AXP+ :D
[05:23] <calc> oh those are old ;)
[05:23] <Mr-Petah> i have a problem whit samba, but need help in spanish, in #ubuntu-es don't have support, help me!
[05:23] <skreet> Yes, it's 800, hypertransport rating of 1600, which is numbers games.
[05:23] <calc> my 3200 is even old now over a year old
[05:23] <randabis> calc, yes old, but good
[05:23] <randabis> :p
[05:23] <lewwy> thanks whoever suggested mounting a image under iso9660
[05:23] <skreet> Meh, AXP wasnt impressive.
[05:23] <Skaaa> oh man, i know spanish but not ubuntu
[05:23] <Skaaa> lol
[05:23] <skreet> lol
[05:24] <calc> skreet: athlon64 runs much cooler than the older axp+
[05:24] <funky> hi
[05:24] <randabis> skreet, still a good chip though
[05:24] <skreet> Oh definatly.
[05:24] <Mr-Petah> lol
[05:24] <tritium> Mr-Petah, what are you having trouble with, more specifically?
[05:24] <skreet> randabis, I ran a 2500+ for a year, I know :D
[05:24] <tsaphah> Is there something besides having 'hotplug' installed that I need to do to get Hoary to detect my USB HD ?
[05:24] <skreet> tsaphah,  Plug it in.
[05:24] <bob2> tsaphah: hotplug doesn't do anything like that
[05:24] <randabis> :)
[05:24] <Mr-Petah> wait me
[05:24] <skreet> bob2, It doesnt?
[05:24] <bob2> tsaphah: you need gnome-volume-manager and and hald running for magic to happen
[05:24] <Mr-Petah> the help is not 4 me...
[05:24] <funky> Im using kernel images from apt, but i dont like that it loads that bunch of modules, i would like to select the modules that i want to load, there is any way ?
[05:25] <fissy> it autoloads modules, but I think mass-storage isbuild in rather than moduled
[05:25] <QMario> How do use SWAT in Mozilla Firefox?
[05:25] <tsaphah> bob2: 'and and hald' ? Can you clarify that
[05:25] <QMario> Sorry, how do I get to SWAT in Mozilla Firefox?
[05:25] <QMario> What is the port number for SWAT?
[05:25] <funky> QMario: grep swat /etc/services
[05:25] <randabis> funky, you can specify which modules you do not want to load
[05:26] <funky> randabis: where ?
[05:26] <bob2> tsaphah: drop one of the "and"'s
[05:26] <tritium> funky, modules you want loaded can be specified in /etc/modules.  those you want not loaded can go in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[05:26] <Skaaa> you know, i kind of that god for ubuntu, its like...like a free OS to me
[05:26] <bob2> randabis: /etc/hostplug/blacklist
[05:26] <funky> tritium: thanks
[05:26] <tritium> funky, np
[05:26] <bob2> fissy: no, usb-mass-storage is a module
[05:26] <Recoilman> what's the root password? and how do you switch to it?
[05:26] <tritium> Recoilman, there's not one by default
[05:26] <randabis> bob2, yeah, I know
[05:27] <fissy> bob2, well i'm going to change that on mine :)
[05:27] <QMario> Does anyone know what the port number for SWAT is?
[05:27] <lewwy> 911?
[05:27] <tritium> Recoilman, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:27] <Recoilman> tritium i was trying to install java and it told me i needed root
[05:27] <randabis> use sudo
[05:27] <tritium> Recoilman, I hope you're using java-package to build a .deb
[05:27] <Recoilman> i'm not sure what it all means. it was prt or rpm or something
[05:27] <lewwy> uhoh
[05:28] <randabis> rpm = evil
[05:28] <Mr-Petah> ya estas aki
[05:28] <skreet> Whoa.
[05:28] <randabis> do not use
[05:28] <Mr-Petah> :P
[05:28] <Recoilman> eh?
[05:28] <skreet> Why dont I have.. a cd drive.
[05:28] <skreet> no /dev/h* no /dev/scd*
[05:28] <tritium> Recoilman, apt-get install java-package, then get Sun's j2re .bin.  Use java-package to build a .deb
[05:28] <tritium> Recoilman, ideally, you want your java to be under the package management of apt
[05:29] <Recoilman> oh
[05:29] <Mr-Petah> tritium, Jonnhy have the problem with samba, you can help?
[05:29] <Recoilman> i'll have to come back when i boot into linux. it's too much info right now
[05:29] <tritium> Mr-Petah, maybe.  What is it?
[05:29] <Recoilman> i do appreciate it though
[05:29] <tsaphah> bob2: ok, thanks for the info..I'll look that direction.
[05:29] <Mr-Petah> he don see windows from linux
[05:29] <flodine> hey gut is there a way to get to root
[05:29] <Mr-Petah> he don see windows from linux
[05:29] <tritium> Recoilman, okay.  Just remember to get java-package and read its documentation
[05:30] <lewwy> java-common?
[05:30] <tritium> flodin, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:30] <lewwy> is that what i want for java?
[05:30] <Skaaa> I suck at linux. how do I format my C drive from a linux live CD?
[05:30] <tritium> flodine, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:30] <flodine> i want to change some file from root to user
[05:30] <flodine> is this possible
[05:31] <tritium> flodin, use chown user: file
[05:31] <Recoilman> cool. thanks. i'll be chilling around this room when i get some time
[05:31] <dazed> does anyone know about NFS? i need some help
[05:31] <bob2> tsaphah: it happens automatically in the default install
[05:31] <bob2> tsaphah: except HFS and NTFS won't auto-mount in warty
[05:31] <lewwy> ok guys
[05:31] <geneo93> flodine:  man chown
[05:31] <lewwy> i have a question
[05:31] <skreet> Uh.
[05:31] <tritium> flodine, man chown for more info.  Use sudo
[05:31] <skreet> Anyoine spare a minute, I have no CDROM drive recognised.
[05:31] <lewwy> how do i get java working on ubuntu?
[05:31] <tsaphah> bob2: That could explain it then. Its an NTFS file-system on the drive.
[05:32] <lewwy> skreet im pretty stupid at linux but i can try
[05:32] <dazed> how come in "network:///" only my smb shows up but not my NFS?
[05:32] <Skaaa> i did that the other day, theres a wiki on it
[05:32] <tritium> lewwy, install java-package, then download Sun's j2re .bin, then build your own .deb
[05:32] <Skaaa> lewwy
[05:32] <tsaphah> bob2: recourse is to manually mount then?
[05:32] <skreet> lewwy, Well, I havent booted to linux since I took out my second cd drive, but the first one is still in there
[05:32] <skreet> they were /dev/scd0 and 1
[05:32] <skreet> now neither are there.
[05:32] <LeeJunFan> lewwy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15
[05:32] <dazed> how do i access NFS shared files?
[05:32] <skreet> And I havent noticed until just now.
[05:33] <LeeJunFan> dazed: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NFSClientHowTo
[05:33] <tritium> LeeJunFan, that's not the preferred method
[05:33] <Mr-Petah> how kill proccess from term? (need kill skype :s)
[05:33] <bob2> tsaphah: yes, or move to hoary
[05:33] <tritium> lewwy, LeeJunFan: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java (Method 2)
[05:33] <bob2> Mr-Petah: pkill skype
[05:33] <Mr-Petah> tnx!
[05:34] <Skaaa> I suck at linux. how do I format my C drive from a linux live CD?
[05:34] <Skaaa> ubuntu live
[05:34] <funky> tritium: didnt work, i have added sony_acpi (for example) in /etc/hotplug/blacklist and it is loaded at boot
[05:34] <Skaaa> warty
[05:34] <LeeJunFan> Skaaa: what filesystem do you want to format it as?
[05:34] <lewwy> man updating apt takes years
[05:35] <Skaaa> NTFS
[05:35] <tritium> funky, some other module is depending on it then
[05:35] <tsaphah> bob2: k
[05:35] <^thehatsrule^> apt-get update?... only like 5-10mb
[05:35] <funky> tritium: i can remove it with no problems
[05:35] <Skaaa> LeeJunFan:NTFS
[05:35] <LeeJunFan> Skaaa: linux doesn't do ntfs very well. Better do that from windows or format it as FAT32
[05:35] <funky> no deps may have
[05:35] <Skaaa> ok, how?
[05:36] <tritium> Skaaa, man mkfs
[05:36] <Skaaa> mkfs?
[05:36] <tritium> yep
[05:36] <LeeJunFan> mkfs.vfat -F32 /dev/hda1
[05:36] <LeeJunFan> as long as hda1 is the right one.
[05:36] <lewwy> make filesystem?
[05:36] <tritium> yep
[05:36] <Mr-Petah> apt-get install to instal soft, but, to uninstall? (sry, i'm newbie :) )
[05:37] <tritium> Mr-Petah, apt-get remove
[05:37] <Mr-Petah> ok!
[05:37] <Mr-Petah> :****
[05:37] <tritium> apt-get remove --purge to remove config. files too
[05:37] <Mr-Petah> ok!
[05:37] <lewwy> ...
[05:37] <Mr-Petah> need remove skype
[05:37] <lewwy> 8 hours till i can install java....
[05:37] <Mr-Petah> lol
[05:37] <Mr-Petah> 8?
[05:37] <lewwy> oh wait no
[05:37] <lewwy> 3
[05:37] <Mr-Petah> wow
[05:37] <lewwy> 2 and a half
[05:37] <tritium> lewwy, Method 2?
[05:37] <lewwy> no 3
[05:38] <lewwy> nah method 1
[05:38] <lewwy> but thats cause of my 6k a sec download
[05:38] <lewwy> i could have sworn that downloading java b4 for any other linux distro was like
[05:38] <lewwy> 15mb
[05:38] <lewwy> or 20
[05:38] <Skaaa> do you really have 6kps?
[05:38] <lewwy> yeh
[05:38] <lewwy> its capped ADSL
[05:38] <lewwy> exceeded downloads
[05:38] <Skaaa> wow
[05:38] <Skaaa> that sucks
[05:39] <GnuKemist> has anyone used the gnome-blog applet here?
[05:40] <tritium> lewwy, I have a 29MB sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update01_i386.deb that I built if you want it
[05:40] <Mr-Petah> :D
[05:41] <Mr-Petah> is possible download skype from apt-get?
[05:41] <tritium> Mr-Petah, no
[05:41] <Mr-Petah> ok
[05:41] <hybrid> not yet at least
[05:41] <tritium> Mr-Petah, look for yourself:  apt-cache search skype
[05:41] <Mr-Petah> ok!
[05:41] <Mr-Petah> tnx
[05:41] <Mr-Petah> :)
[05:41] <tritium> :)
[05:42] <Mr-Petah> nop
[05:42] <GhostFreeman> arent there any freeform skin MP3 players out there? I hate XMMS
[05:42] <hybrid> tritium you are on x86n aren't you
[05:42] <tritium> hybrid, yes, my laptop is.
[05:42] <tritium> I've got powerpc servers at work
[05:42] <fissy> http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml
[05:42] <fissy> apologies... wrong tab
[05:43] <Skaaa> why?
[05:43] <hybrid> tritium do you know anyone who is on ppc or do have any?
[05:43] <lewwy> only 2 hours till java installs :rolleyes:
[05:43] <GnuKemist> GhostFreeman, tried beep?
[05:43] <Skaaa> haha
[05:43] <GhostFreeman> is it on apt-get
[05:43] <hybrid> tritium are they running linux
[05:43] <tritium> hybrid, yes, I have a few powerpc servers
[05:43] <tritium> yes
[05:43] <GnuKemist> GhostFreeman, should be
[05:43] <GhostFreeman> i'll give it a shot
[05:43] <GnuKemist> GhostFreeman, it is xmms-like
[05:43] <Skaaa> okay, well this other (now third) computer has to have windows 95. its too old, ubuntu said so even lol
[05:43] <hybrid> tritium well how does the sound and multimedia work on them? or have you tried that
[05:44] <tritium> hybrid, yes, it worked right away after install
[05:44] <Skaaa> it was like "normally i can run, but your computer sucks way, way, way too much. please use some other OS"
[05:44] <tritium> lewwy, did you see my offer?
[05:44] <bob2> Skaaa: no, what did it actually say?
[05:44] <hybrid> tritium well i can't get my iBook to play music
[05:44] <hybrid> any suggestions
[05:44] <skreet> Okay I dont know why I dont have a cdrom drive, anyone shed some light?
[05:45] <tritium> hybrid, have you looked in /proc/asound ?
[05:45] <hybrid> no
[05:45] <lewwy> whats that tritium?
[05:45] <lewwy> what offer?
[05:45] <bob2> skreet: are you using the latest hoary cd?
[05:45] <Skaaa> normally Ubuntu can run on 40000(about)k of ram, but (stuff I dont remember) then something about MSDOS
[05:45] <skreet> bob2, I did use it to install the OS yes, I had a drive then.
[05:45] <skreet> I just did 385 updates
[05:45] <skreet> and now my drive is gone.
[05:45] <tritium> lewwy, my 29MB j2re .deb that I built
[05:45] <synd> whats the best game to get off of apt-get
[05:45] <lewwy> cool beans
[05:45] <lewwy> where where
[05:45] <tritium> lewwy,  one moment
[05:45] <lewwy> abuse
[05:45] <lewwy> synd: get abuse
[05:46] <lewwy> side scrolling hardkore action
[05:46] <synd> lew: can i run it on a p3 600Mhz, 128MB ?
[05:46] <GnuKemist> synd, not in apt-get but Enemy Teritory is great www.enemy-territory.com
[05:46] <Skaaa> yeah ET is good
[05:46] <skreet> bob2, Any idea?
[05:46] <geneo93> synd:  yes
[05:46] <GnuKemist> Skaaa, am addicted to it  ;)
[05:46] <tritium> lewwy, for i386
[05:47] <Mr-Petah> lew
[05:47] <Skaaa> i was, i had to stop playing alltogether
[05:47] <Mr-Petah> lewwy
[05:47] <lewwy> what
[05:47] <lewwy> whats the Mr-Petah?
[05:47] <Mr-Petah> you have problems with java?
[05:47] <Mr-Petah> read this
[05:47] <lewwy> i dont
[05:47] <Skaaa> it was ruining my life, staying up till 2am playing, then getting up at 6am for school
[05:47] <lewwy> i just cant be screwed waiting 2 hours
[05:47] <GnuKemist> Skaaa, I still play it religiously every Wednesday night
[05:47] <Skaaa> haha
[05:47] <GnuKemist> ;)
[05:47] <Skaaa> i just got into CoD
[05:48] <Mr-Petah> lewwy http://guia-ubuntu.org/doku.php?id=aplicaciones:internet
[05:48] <GnuKemist> Skaaa, together with Skype
[05:48] <Mr-Petah> is in spanish
[05:48] <Skaaa> i have played it like 40 hours in the past three days
[05:48] <GnuKemist> wow
[05:48] <GnuKemist> that beats me
[05:48] <GnuKemist> hehe
[05:48] <Skaaa> yeah its really bad how much ive played it lol
[05:48] <Skaaa> all i have done is eat and sleep
[05:48] <hou5ton> how can I turn off this blasted sudo thing?
[05:48] <GnuKemist> am counting the minutes to Wednesday night
[05:48] <Skaaa> and at one point, paint part of a room
[05:48] <synd> i just installed ubuntu on this p3 laptop.. just now got it online.. what should i do first?
[05:48] <hou5ton> so that I can just do su-
[05:48] <Skaaa> haha
[05:49] <Mr-Petah> neer restart, i'm back now!
[05:49] <Sion_Barzhad> i put in a new Video GFX card, how do I make ubuntu read it now
[05:49] <Mr-Petah> need restart, i'm back now!
[05:49] <skreet> Sion_Barzhad, What kind of card?
[05:49] <Skaaa> yeah, i got like 8 minutes till i am going back onto CoD
[05:49] <GnuKemist> synd, what do u mean?
[05:49] <Skaaa> an hour before i expected
[05:49] <Sion_Barzhad> S3 Prosavage or something liek that
[05:49] <GnuKemist> Skaaa, hehehe...  good fragging dude
[05:49] <Skaaa> then again, i got less done than i expected to initially
[05:49] <Skaaa> thanks, lol
[05:49] <Sion_Barzhad> is the one I want it to read
[05:50] <Skaaa> i just got recruited for a clan today too
[05:50] <skreet> Hm
[05:50] <GnuKemist> Sion_Barzhad, I have S3 Savage
[05:50] <Skaaa> so it should be extra fun :-)
[05:50] <GnuKemist> Skaaa, for ET?
[05:50] <Sion_Barzhad> wats the SUdo line to read he video settings, and set it up
[05:50] <Why_Dont_I_Have_> Aw.
[05:50] <synd> Gnu: as in.. is there any way to update the apps that came with the warty distro.. like how it says that there is no internet connection when you install Ubuntu.. but says its a good idea?
[05:50] <Sion_Barzhad> all I need
[05:50] <GhostFreeman> Hey
[05:51] <GhostFreeman> has Ubuntu received any praise from the Debian developers
[05:51] <Skaaa> uh oh.
[05:51] <synd> Ghost: it sure as hell should
[05:51] <lewwy> what?
[05:51] <Sion_Barzhad> wats the SUdo line to read he video settings, and set it up?
[05:51] <Skaaa> "Grub loading... <enter> error 18" what does it mean???
[05:51] <Skaaa> it does it on every startup.
[05:51] <GnuKemist> synd, tried apt-get update?
[05:51] <Skreet> Skaaa, Wow, thats different
[05:51] <Skreet> What kind of computer?
[05:52] <GnuKemist> Skaaa, not sure...
[05:52] <Skaaa> compaq presario, 750mhz AMD duron
[05:52] <synd> Gnu: i get this:
[05:52] <synd> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:52] <synd> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:52] <tritium> hou5ton, haven't you asked that before?
[05:53] <Skaaa> how frustrating
[05:53] <hou5ton> tritium:  no
[05:53] <GnuKemist> synd, do u have Synaptics running?
[05:53] <hybrid> tritium does java work on ppc?
[05:53] <geneo93> synd:  sudo apt-get update
[05:53] <GnuKemist> synd, it seems you have it running... might as well use it
[05:53] <dazed> anyone know anything about NFS i need some help bad!?
[05:53] <lewwy> anyone here used to have an amstrad?
[05:54] <hou5ton> anyway .... tritium: i'm getting some additional codecs installed and have perhaps run across an error in the documentation ... perhaps you can help
[05:54] <Skaaa> well looks like more than 8 minutes now
[05:54] <GhostFreeman> What should I use to update, sudo apt-get or Synaptic? Does it matter if I use either?
[05:54] <Skaaa> i have to reformat AGAIN
[05:54] <hou5ton> i have the codecs downloaded, untarred, copied, etc.
[05:54] <GnuKemist> GhostFreeman, shouldn't matter
[05:54] <dazed> can anyone help me with NFS?
[05:54] <Skaaa> this is why i would rather go to windows sometimes, it is made for retards like me
[05:54] <GhostFreeman> ok just wondering
[05:54] <geneo93> GhostFreeman:  no
[05:54] <GnuKemist> GhostFreeman, it is a matter of taste really
[05:54] <synd> Gnu: thanks
[05:54] <hou5ton> the docs say to then do ln -s /usr/local/lib/codecs/*
[05:54] <Skreet> Skaaa, http://www.uruk.org/orig-grub/errors.html
[05:54] <GhostFreeman> thats cool, I like a UI myself
[05:54] <Skreet> Error 18 is "unsupported executable format"
[05:54] <GnuKemist> synd, you got it?
[05:55] <hou5ton> but when I do that, it tells me that "when making multiple links, last argument must be a directory"
[05:55] <Skaaa> hmm
[05:55] <lewwy> still Skaaa, windows costs infinity more than linux
[05:55] <bob2> Skreet: dunno, sorry.  ask on the list.
[05:55] <hou5ton> so .. . how should I change that line?
[05:55] <synd> Gnu: yeah, i got it..
[05:55] <lewwy> infinitly more percent*
[05:55] <Skaaa> lewwy: how? i have the windows install CD's
[05:55] <bob2> hou5ton: the docs are broken
[05:55] <hou5ton> there are all kinds of codecs in that codecs dir
[05:55] <GnuKemist> synd, cool  ;)
[05:55] <bob2> hou5ton: add a . to the end of the line
[05:55] <lewwy> hey guys
[05:55] <lewwy> heres a good question
[05:56] <lewwy> on the ubuntu site
[05:56] <lewwy> where u order cd's
[05:56] <lewwy> are they free?
[05:56] <lewwy> as in 100% free?
[05:56] <GnuKemist> yup
[05:56] <hou5ton> bob2:  after the /*   ??
[05:56] <lewwy> no postage?
[05:56] <lewwy> no handling?
[05:56] <lewwy> just free?
[05:56] <GnuKemist> none
[05:56] <GnuKemist> yup
[05:56] <GnuKemist> at least they were
[05:56] <lewwy> who the hell pays for it?
[05:56] <randabis> canonical
[05:56] <GnuKemist> hehehe... good question
[05:56] <randabis> mark shuttleworth has deep pockets
[05:57] <synd> im sure you pay for postage
[05:57] <lewwy> what, so they just post out free cd's all the time?
[05:57] <lewwy> no
[05:57] <lewwy> i dont
[05:57] <lewwy> there was no thing about postage
[05:57] <randabis> synd nope...you pay nothing
[05:57] <synd> i know that
[05:57] <lewwy> infact, the default amount was 10
[05:57] <GnuKemist> no postage
[05:57] <bob2> lewwy: they post them in bunches
[05:57] <bob2> lewwy: it costs you nothing at all
[05:57] <synd> really?
[05:57] <synd> jesus
[05:57] <Skaaa> sweet if theres no postage
[05:57] <GnuKemist> who here had problems with a S3 Savage video card?
[05:57] <Skaaa> i am ordering hoary
[05:57] <bob2> lewwy: and please try to put a whole sentence on one line, it's really really annoying when you keep hitting enter like that
[05:57] <Skaaa> all i have is warty right now
[05:57] <bob2> Skreet: hoary isn't out yet
[05:57] <synd> they should pay people (win users) to use it
[05:57] <cef> I got 40
[05:58] <bob2> Skreet: the cds for hoary won't arrive for weeks
[05:58] <Skaaa> my friend got 30'
[05:58] <bob2> synd: er, that would be silly
[05:58] <cef> last time.. but then mine got lost too
[05:58] <Skreet> bob2, Mis-name there :D
[05:58] <Skreet> I wasnt talking about them.
[05:58] <bob2> Skreet: erk, sorry
[05:58] <Skreet> bob2, :D np
[05:58] <Skaaa> oh, you cany order warty yet?
[05:58] <bob2> Skaaa: hoary isn't out yet, the cds won't ship for weeks
[05:58] <bob2> Skaaa: you mean hoary? right.
[05:58] <Skaaa> doh!
[05:58] <GnuKemist> Skaaa, but you can download the preview CD
[05:58] <Mr-Petah> i'm back
[05:58] <randabis> you can order hoary now
[05:58] <Skaaa> yes hoary
[05:58] <Mr-Petah> xD
[05:59] <lewwy> ooh
[05:59] <synd> they should call it whorey
[05:59] <lewwy> how
[05:59] <Skaaa> i have warty now
[05:59] <synd> whos with me !
[05:59] <lewwy> how do you do that?
[05:59] <lewwy> i have hoary
[05:59] <randabis> preorders for hoary are being accepted
[05:59] <Mr-Petah> but the skype don't run....
[05:59] <randabis> it isn't the preview release
[05:59] <hou5ton> bob2:  got it .... I needed to add a space and then a period after the /*
[05:59] <lewwy> so...mark shuttleworth just pays out more and more money to a free foundation?
[05:59] <bob2> hou5ton: yes
[05:59] <calc> lewwy: yea isn't he l33t :)
[06:00] <bob2> lewwy: Canonical is paying for the
[06:00] <bob2> m
[06:00] <randabis> well, eventually ubuntu is expected to be profitable via support channels offered by canonical iirc
[06:00] <cef> hey.. with shipit.. are orders placed now for hoary? or what's the deal?
[06:00] <lagcisco_> hey guys, i just install ubuntu hoary, but when I goto login via X, after login, nothing happens, mouse still works, keyboard doesnt do anything, mouse pointer can be moved but clicking doesnt do anything, just a base screen with moveable mouse pointer, any ideas?
[06:00] <randabis> cef, yes, orders placed now are for hoary
[06:00] <synd> what yall think is the best screen saver that comes with ubuntu
[06:00] <randabis> it says so on the shipit site
[06:00] <synd> theres a shitload of them
[06:01] <geneo93> bob2:  any idea how many warty cds were dhiped
[06:01] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, have you checked the logs?
[06:01] <GhostFreeman> I have a warty CD
[06:01] <Skaaa> i am going to go order hoary, even if it will take a long time to get them
[06:01] <cef> cool.. cos of course I originally ordered warty cd's.. so just checking *grin*
[06:01] <lagcisco_> GnuKemist: what do i check for? (checking now..)
[06:01] <calc> synd: the one that turns the monitor off ;)
[06:02] <GhostFreeman> I think the idea of making pressed CDs is nice, make an "accessible" Linux distro accessible to all
[06:02] <cef> and no where on the order page does it say what cd's you're actually ordering
[06:02] <calc> reduced power == reduced heat and cost :)
[06:02] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, should be under /var/logs/Xorg
[06:02] <calc> cef: iirc it stated on the main page all cds after last month would be hoary
[06:02] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, see if there's anything fishy
[06:02] <bob2> geneo93: more than I can imagine
[06:02] <lagcisco_> GnuKemist: what do i look for?
[06:02] <blizah> there an offical release date for hoary?
[06:03] <lagcisco_> GnuKemist: i'm using hoary now but just went into console
[06:03] <blizah> yet?
[06:03] <calc> cef: and hoary is officially released in 8 days
[06:03] <calc> blizah: apr 6
[06:03] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, check something about the kryboard or mouse
[06:03] <blizah> k tnx
[06:03] <Pizbit> blizah: The release date was set some months ago
[06:03] <blizah> heh oh
[06:03] <cef> calc: ahh yes.. cool.. just last time I ordered more cd's just after the order thing changed and I never got the second lot.. .. ahh well
[06:03] <Skaaa> if hoary is released in 8 days, why do people always give me crap for using warty?
[06:04] <cef> calc: hopefully this time the cd's will take less than 3 months to get to me
[06:04] <lagcisco_> GnuKemist: kb and mouse work, but kb doesnt after i login all while in X
[06:04] <bob2> blizah: the release date was set in september or so
[06:04] <Laivin> could anyone help me with this problem.. I installed 4.10 on a dell inspiron 8600, and when I start it up for the first time, all I get is a black or brown or white screen
[06:04] <skreet> Well if it's any concellation, when booting to my old -386 kernel (i'm using -686smp now with nvidia) I have /dev/sr0 (not scd0) which is my cdrom..
[06:04] <calc> cef: heh
[06:04] <skreet> WHAT THE HELL?!
[06:04] <skreet> :P
[06:04] <randabis> skreet, your cdrom is still gone?
[06:04] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, no errors?
[06:05] <skreet> randabis, Yes, on my 686-smp kernel.
[06:05] <randabis> check your links in /media
[06:05] <GnuKemist> Laivin, you probably have to reconfigure X
[06:05] <cef> calc: no fun.. esp since they were for the LUG i'm president of
[06:05] <lagcisco_> GnuKemist: dont see any
[06:05] <skreet> And on my 386 kernel it appears to have moved of it's own free will.
[06:05] <lewwy> any idea when the next shipment of CD's are coming around?
[06:05] <lagcisco_> GnuKemist: can i send you the file?
[06:05] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, that's weird
[06:05] <lagcisco_> my Xorg log
[06:05] <calc> cef: oh
[06:05] <randabis> I believe /media/cdrom should link to /media/cdrom0
[06:05] <skreet> randabis, cdrom0 -> /dev/scd0 -- thats what it was set to.
[06:05] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, ok
[06:05] <lagcisco_> what should errors look like?
[06:05] <skreet> randabis, It's not a linking issue.
[06:05] <skreet> randabis, Theres no DEVICE for my cdrom!
[06:06] <randabis> ok then
[06:06] <lagcisco_> GnuKemist: got an ftp?
[06:06] <skreet> :P
[06:06] <cef> calc: yeah.. and since I ordered 200 this time, it'd be a waste of money for them to go missing
[06:06] <bob2> lewwy: after hoary
[06:06] <lewwy> ooh ooh
[06:06] <lewwy> how do i order hoary cd's?
[06:06] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, how do you start X?  using startx?
[06:07] <tritium> lewwy, there's a "shipit" link on the ubuntu homepage
[06:07] <lagcisco_> GnuKemist: it starts up itself
[06:07] <hou5ton> when I click on RealPlayer in the Applications menu, nothing happens ... i've obviously messed something up on the install .... what might that be?
[06:07] <cef> lewwy: http://shipit.ubuntu.com/
[06:07] <bob2> cef: eh? it tells you what you'll get right on the front page
[06:07] <lagcisco_> should i kill gdm?
[06:07] <saik0> hey, what would be the easiest way to steam audio from my linux box to a mac?
[06:07] <lagcisco_> how do i stop gdm gracefully?
[06:07] <saik0> is there an easy way?
[06:07] <tritium> saik0, I use gnump3d
[06:07] <skreet> lagcisco_, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[06:07] <bob2> lagcisco_: sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop
[06:07] <bob2> saik0: I ended up just using samba
[06:07] <Skaaa> if i have error 18 after this reformat, i am breaking my install cd in half, going to sleep, then waking up sorry that i did that
[06:08] <skreet> bob2, Or that.
[06:08] <lewwy> so everyone ordering ubuntu will get hoary by default?
[06:08] <lagcisco_> looks like it works
[06:08] <cef> bob2: yeah I missed it cos it's just small text *grin*
[06:08] <bob2> lewwy: if they order now, yes, as the website says
[06:08] <bob2> cef: hah, the font size is ass, yeah
[06:08] <lagcisco_> i used /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[06:08] <Skaaa> oh, thank god. its working like a decent, normal computer should.
[06:08] <lagcisco_> should i try using startx?
[06:08] <skreet> Skaaa, I think you have some hardware issues if fresh installs are acting differently.
[06:08] <lewwy> mid april?
[06:08] <lewwy> argh
[06:09] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, restart gdm
[06:09] <bob2> lewwy: dude.  hoary comes out in like a week
[06:09] <saik0> bob2, that would work yes, can you assign different 'profiles' in iTunes. I wouldnt want to scare my roomate with new music
[06:09] <lagcisco_> ok i'm restarting gdm
[06:09] <reduz> hi ubuntuers!
[06:09] <lagcisco_> gopefully it works
[06:09] <tritium> hi reduz
[06:09] <eclipse> how come when i log out with kde it doesn't give me an option to shutdown or restart my computer even though i have that on in KDE control center??
[06:09] <lewwy> bob2: yeh but like...
[06:09] <lewwy> i dont wanna wait till mid-april
[06:09] <lewwy> for them to be shipped
[06:09] <lewwy> oh well they're free
[06:09] <bob2> eclipse: #kubuntu might know more
[06:10] <Skaaa> skeet: yeah my hardware issue: about 50(literally) reformats of various types in the past day
[06:10] <lewwy> i cant complain
[06:10] <bob2> lewwy: you could pay someone to ship it sooner
[06:10] <lewwy> mmm
[06:10] <lewwy> meh
[06:10] <lewwy> me no worry
[06:10] <tritium> Skaaa, that's nuts
[06:10] <Skaaa> either that, or the computer I am running is shit made of almost literally shit
[06:10] <nexus-> is there a page that shows the roadmap for ubuntu dev/releases? :)
[06:10] <skreet> Skaaa, More seriously, something in the box is br0ken
[06:10] <eclipse> how come when i log out with kde it doesn't give me an option to shutdown or restart my computer even though i have that on in KDE control center??
[06:10] <skreet> God I hate people who do that.
[06:10] <skreet> God I hate people who do that.
[06:10] <bob2> nexus-: yes, it's linked from wiki.ubuntu.com.  summary: every six months, each one more rocking than the last.
[06:10] <lewwy> do what?
[06:10] <eclipse> i need help
[06:10] <bob2> eclipse: no need to repeat over and over
[06:11] <skreet> Say the same thing over and over.
[06:11] <wilbertoki> eclipse: are you using kdm or gdm
[06:11] <bob2> eclipse: try asking in #kubuntu
[06:11] <skreet> eclipse, And someone said try #kubuntu
[06:11] <eclipse> gdm
[06:11] <DoYouUbuntu> over and over
[06:11] <DoYouUbuntu> over and over
[06:11] <skreet> :D
[06:11] <skreet> I need help too
[06:11] <lewwy> thats probably spam
[06:11] <wilbertoki> eclipse: thats why you need to use gdm
[06:11] <skreet> But I only asked once.
[06:11] <lewwy> thats probably spam
[06:11] <wilbertoki> eclipse: I mean kdm
[06:11] <geneo91> bob2:  thats hopeless
[06:11] <eclipse> ok, let me try that
[06:11] <skreet> You're using GDM with KDE? eeeek
[06:11] <lewwy> lol if this chan was getting moderated we'd be screwed by now
[06:11] <skreet> If you want to use KDE on ubuntu use Kubuntu instead.
[06:11] <wilbertoki> eclipse: dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[06:11] <skreet> KDE on vanilla ubuntu is a pain in the ass.
[06:11] <eclipse> and how do i change to kdm?
[06:12] <DoYouUbuntu> depends on the mods
[06:12] <tritium> skreet, install kubuntu-desktop
[06:12] <randabis> wilbertoki, gdm has nothing to do with his problem
[06:12] <bob2> geneo91: hm?
[06:12] <Skaaa> skreet: i wouldnt be surprised. this computer's motherboard was believe to be fried by lightning. the hard drive I was told could never be used again, the ram is only a guesstimate that they are all compatible speeds, the power scource has gotten wet, really, when i say shit i mean it lol
[06:12] <skreet> tritium, Will that fix my cdrom drive?
[06:12] <saik0> getting bootsplash working is a pain...i gave up
[06:12] <nexus-> bob2, ah okay found it. thanks
[06:12] <cef> someone needs to update http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/shipit/
[06:12] <folta> guys, i have a fresh install and i'm getting no sound, what might the problem be?
[06:12] <skreet> Skaaa, Dude, throw it out.. or shoot it with a bb gun or something.
[06:12] <tritium> skreet, no, that's so installing kde on your ubuntu is not a pita
[06:12] <wilbertoki> randabis: I know you wont be able to shutdown or restart if you use gdm to log into a kde session
[06:13] <geneo91> bob2:  every time i have asked over there i get no response at all
[06:13] <skreet> tritium, Hm, that doesnt help me then :P
[06:13] <bob2> geneo91: *shrug*, more kde people there, sorry if your choice of desktop has a crappy community ;-p
[06:13] <Skaaa> skreet:heh, its just a little project of mine
[06:13] <skreet> Build yerself a server.
[06:13] <Skaaa> skreet: and i have had it running pretty well before, so why destroy it?
[06:13] <skreet> Mines a sempron. :D
[06:13] <eclipse> alright thnx guys
[06:13] <Skaaa> i want to!
[06:13] <lagcisco_> didnt work ;(
[06:14] <randabis> wilbertoki, that's true, but there's also some options in kde control center about what the default action for logout is...you may in fact be correct though
[06:14] <skreet> I think im going to have to revert to -386 kernel.
[06:14] <skreet> And get nvidia modules for it :((
[06:14] <randabis> in regards to that being his problem
[06:14] <skreet> I want SMP!!
[06:14] <lewwy> 52 mins until java downloads *sigh*
[06:14] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, did you email me your file?
[06:14] <geneo91> bob2:  i have both
[06:14] <Skaaa> actually, i am getting about 20 free computers in june that i will try to build  a beowulf cluster out of
[06:14] <cef> geneo91: what's the problem?
[06:14] <CountDown> I'd like to rip a dvd to mpg.  I just tried installing dvdrip, but apparently there is no candidate for the transcode package.  Any suggestions?
[06:14] <skreet> Skaaa, WTF?
[06:14] <GnuKemist> Skaaa, cool!
[06:14] <skreet> Why not me?
[06:14] <Skaaa> i have no idea how to do that, but i will try to do it
[06:14] <lagcisco_> GnuKemist: how do i email it?
[06:14] <geneo91> and gnome has more problems than kde atm
[06:14] <skreet> First you mail them to me.. then you wait.
[06:14] <skreet> :D
[06:14] <tritium> lewwy, you're still downloading my java package?
[06:14] <lagcisco_> GnuKemist: im in the default install, how do i do it via cli?
[06:14] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, how do u mean?
[06:15] <lewwy> yeh Tritium
[06:15] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, ohh
[06:15] <skreet> :sigh:
[06:15] <_b> how the hell does someone get 20 free computers?  Who does one have to kill?
[06:15] <tritium> lewwy, you have a slow connection then ;)
[06:15] <Skaaa> hey man, id pay you like 200 bucks to set yp the system for me
[06:15] <lewwy> what _b?
[06:15] <nexus-> it is possible to just use apt to upgrade hoary preview to hoary stable right?
[06:15] <wilbertoki> skaaa: what are you going to do with your beowulf ?
[06:15] <DoYouUbuntu> You would think the bastards at AOL/Time Warner would make a fscking Linux dialer.  Argh.
[06:15] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, type mail [my email address]  < /var/logs/Xorg.log
[06:15] <Pizbit> _b: Not me:)
[06:15] <lewwy> _b 20 free computers?
[06:15] <lewwy> ok skaa
[06:15] <skreet> DoYouUbuntu, Idiots use AOL
[06:15] <Pizbit> nexus-: Yeah
[06:15] <lagcisco_> GnuKemist: whats your email?
[06:15] <lewwy> im not sure if i can fix it
[06:15] <Skaaa> upgrade my DSL to two way cable and run a CoD server
[06:15] <lewwy> but i'll take the cash
[06:15] <Pizbit> nexus-: You just keep upgrading:)
[06:15] <randabis> nexus-, yes, an apt-get dist-upgrade on april 6th would do it
[06:15] <skreet> We dont want those idiots in #ubuntu asking us how to be idiots on Linux.
[06:16] <Skaaa> and 20 free computers, aka my school is wasteful and throws them away at the end of the year
[06:16] <nexus-> excellent! :)
[06:16] <lewwy> send me one!
[06:16] <skreet> Any good?
[06:16] <DoYouUbuntu> skreet- I have no choice.  GF's ISP.  :(
[06:16] <lewwy> what, so you scrounge through the bin?
[06:16] <cef> geneo91: what's the problem with gdm and kde?
[06:16] <skreet> DoYouUbuntu, Sucks.
[06:16] <Skaaa> these are like pentium 2
[06:16] <tritium> nexus-, if you're updating regularly, you're already not using the preview anymore ;)
[06:16] <DoYouUbuntu> It's dial up.  It all sucks
[06:16] <wilbertoki> pentium II is good
[06:17] <lewwy> i should email ubuntu and ask them if they will send me a computer to run ubuntu on
[06:17] <geneo91> cef:  i have no problems
[06:17] <skreet> DoYouUbuntu, Well, vanilla dial up is better than front-ended crap on a stick.
[06:17] <reduz> I've been using linux for like.. 8 or 9 years.. and debian since 7... even though I guess I could consider myself an expert in how my system works, I am looking forward to installing and using more modern distributions that dont need as much lowlevel mantenience in the desktop area, as in.. that detects my devices/xserver/camera/wacom/usbstorage/etc without me having to deal with the filesystem and commandline for each thing. This way I can also
[06:17] <lewwy> say i've got cancer or something :D
[06:17] <reduz> learn to introduce moreinexperienced people to linux... I've been recommended Ubuntu, which is Debian-based, so i'd like to ask a few questions here, that I couldnt find in faqs.. anyone up?
[06:17] <randabis> cef, apparently you can only end your session when using gdm and kde...you can't restart the computer or shut it down
[06:17] <skreet> lewwy, lol
[06:17] <Skaaa> nah i do no scrounging, my math teacher has connections in the tech dept, and all the computers in the math rooms are being replaced
[06:17] <cef> randabis: yup. that's correct
[06:17] <geneo91> cef only kppp is borked
[06:17] <Skaaa> he said come june when they get thrown out, hell set aside 20 for me
[06:17] <Skaaa> and 5 monitors
[06:17] <lagcisco_> GnuKemist: whats your email address?
[06:17] <GnuKemist> reduz, ask away
[06:17] <tritium> reduz, just ask
[06:17] <cef> randabis: afaik, same with kdm and gnome
[06:18] <wilbertoki> reduz: ubuntu recognized my external usb disc and digital camera perfectly
[06:18] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, I already told you on a private message
[06:18] <randabis> probably so
[06:18] <wilbertoki> skaaa: what are you going to do with the processing power
[06:18] <Skaaa> skreet: do you know how to set up a beowulf?
[06:18] <_b> folks, I have a problem.  Reinstalled kubuntu.  Kept the old /home directory.
[06:18] <randabis> cef, not true with gdm and xfce though :) don't know about kdm and xfce
[06:18] <cef> randabis: it'd be nice if gnome and kde fixed that though
[06:18] <skreet> Skaaa, Dude, I cant even get my cdrom drive recognised and you're getting 20 cdrom drives for free.. no :P
[06:18] <lagcisco_> GnuKemist: i have 2 user names here
[06:18] <randabis> Yeah, it would.
[06:18] <_b> (re)created user with same name as before...
[06:18] <lagcisco_> GnuKemist: send to lagcisco_
[06:18] <geneo91> kdm will handle it
[06:18] <Mr-Petah> grrrr.....
[06:18] <skreet> Skaaa, Honestly though, I dont.
[06:18] <reduz> ok thanks a lot! First of all.. is ubuntu based on debian? on the sense that I can just add the normal unstable repo and fetch applications from there.. because even if i've read that it is, i've also heard from people that they have a lot of trouble setting up the debian repo
[06:18] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, you can paste the file in #flood
[06:18] <Skaaa> haha ok
[06:19] <Mr-Petah> i hate vmware tools
[06:19] <lagcisco_> GnuKemist: how do i paste? ;)
[06:19] <Mr-Petah> need help plz
[06:19] <DoYouUbuntu> ubuntu is debian based, yes
[06:19] <skreet> reduz, Dont use the Debian repo as it's not designed for ubuntu.
[06:19] <_b> now I get "no write access to ...blah blah .iceauthority..
[06:19] <tritium> reduz, don't use the debian repos with ubuntu, though
[06:19] <skreet> Just as with FC3 you shouldent use a RH7 RPM file.
[06:19] <randabis> reduz, ubuntu is debian based, but it has its own official repositories. It is not wise to mix debian repos with ubuntu
[06:19] <_b> how do I set things up, can I, so I can use that home directory?
[06:19] <DoYouUbuntu> I've done that, and ended up with Sarge.  :)
[06:19] <Skaaa> skreet: what state do you live in? id seriously send you a free CD drive if you are close. cant garuntee any up-to-date speeds though
[06:19] <_b> yes, I know I'm an idiot...
[06:19] <Skaaa> they are old drives
[06:19] <geneo91> _b just delete that file and reboot
[06:20] <skreet> Skaaa, I know the drive works, but I appreciate the offer.
[06:20] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, I think you can execute a cat here using /exec cat [file]  or something like it
[06:20] <Skaaa> ok
[06:20] <GnuKemist> can someone verify this?
[06:20] <skreet> Skaaa, Like I said it works on the crappy -386 kernel.
[06:20] <folta> anyone know what might be wrong if i get no sound off an audigy2 board? i've checked the levels
[06:20] <Skaaa> have you checked it for loose pins?
[06:20] <reduz> oh ok, that is mainly what I wanted to know.. so if you want to install an app that is not in the ubuntu repository? how is that dealt with?
[06:20] <_b> geneo91, delete .ICEauthority?  that's it?
[06:20] <nexus-> randabis, : would it be okay to occasionally steal some deb packages from the debian repository though?
[06:20] <geneo91> yup
[06:20] <wilbertoki> anyone have good tips for decreasing application load time in ubuntu
[06:20] <Mr-Petah> i need install vmware tools in linux from text mode in root account, but... dont have root account
[06:20] <_b> cool, thanks geneo91  ...
[06:20] <randabis> folta, what version of ubuntu are you using? I think that warty doesn't support audigy 2
[06:21] <DoYouUbuntu> hw upgrade?
[06:21] <DoYouUbuntu> :)
[06:21] <geneo91> _b:  i did that a while back
[06:21] <tritium> nexus-, always look in universe and multiverse before doing that
[06:21] <GnuKemist> guys, what is the command to send the output of a command here?  /exec something?
[06:21] <folta> hoary, and it autodetected
[06:21] <nexus-> tritium, yeah I know. :)
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> ive had my Auduigy 2 working in both hoary and warty I think
[06:21] <folta> loose pins where?
[06:21] <randabis> nexus-, if you are careful I suppose so
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> useing it in Hoary now.
[06:21] <skreet> GnuKemist, Cant remember, trying to remember now
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> had to twiddle with the controlls a bit.
[06:21] <Skaaa> on the back of his CD drive
[06:21] <randabis> folta, okay then...I'm not exactly sure then
[06:21] <skreet> 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82865G/PE/P DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface (rev 02)
[06:21] <skreet> 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82865G/PE/P PCI to AGP Controller (rev 02)
[06:21] <skreet> 0000:00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI #1 (rev 02)
[06:21] <skreet> 0000:00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI #2 (rev 02)
[06:21] <skreet> 0000:00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI #3 (rev 02)
[06:21] <skreet> 0000:00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI #4 (rev 02)
[06:21] <skreet> 0000:00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 02)
[06:21] <Mr-Petah> what's password have root?
[06:21] <skreet> 0000:00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801 PCI Bridge (rev c2)
[06:21] <Skaaa> FLOOD
[06:21] <skreet> 0000:00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) LPC Bridge (rev 02)
[06:21] <skreet> 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) Ultra ATA 100 Storage Controller (rev 02)
[06:21] <GnuKemist> skreet, hehehe
[06:21] <skreet> 0000:00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB (ICH5) Serial ATA 150 Storage Controller (rev 02)
[06:21] <skreet> 0000:00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) SMBus Controller (rev 02)
[06:21] <Mr-Petah> hey!
[06:21] <skreet> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0045 (rev a1)
[06:21] <skreet> 0000:02:00.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3CSOHO100B-TX 910-A01 [tulip]  (rev 31)
[06:21] <Mr-Petah> don't flood!
[06:21] <skreet> 0000:02:07.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 05)
[06:22] <skreet> 0000:02:07.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game Port (rev 05)
[06:22] <nexus-> woah
[06:22] <skreet> hah
[06:22] <GnuKemist> skreet, gonna get yourself kicked
[06:22] <skreet> found it.
[06:22] <Skaaa> gahhhhhh my eyes!!!!!
[06:22] <GnuKemist> hehehe
[06:22] <randabis> Mr-Petah, ubuntu uses sudo
[06:22] <skreet> Sorry.
[06:22] <tritium> Mr-Petah, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:22] <skreet> It's /exec -o
[06:22] <skreet> Ya but I answered your question.
[06:22] <saik0> lesson learned I hope
[06:22] <skreet> It was the first command I thought of..
[06:22] <bob2> skreet: don't paste in here again, thanks
[06:22] <GnuKemist> skreet, absolutely... ;)
[06:22] <Mr-Petah> yes, but i need install vmware tools from root account xD
[06:22] <tritium> Mr-Petah, read the URL I sent you
[06:22] <tritium> and use sudo
[06:22] <Mr-Petah> ok!
[06:23] <skreet> I'm going to bed
[06:23] <skreet> maybe -686-smp will work in the morning.
[06:23] <Skaaa> later
[06:23] <GnuKemist> Skaaa, good gaming
[06:23] <skreet> Skaaa, Enjoy that cluster you're getting.
[06:23] <wilbertoki> is there a way to make apps like firefox an openoffice load faster?
[06:23] <Skaaa> i do that one alot, maybe it will work in the morning
[06:23] <Mr-Petah> ubuntu need more support in spanish... i think
[06:23] <Skaaa> it never does
[06:23] <GnuKemist> skreet, night
[06:24] <Mr-Petah> i'm back now, go to read...
[06:24] <Skaaa> yeah i guess i am leaving too, going to play CoD FINALLY
[06:24] <synd> anyone notice that the Ubuntu developers arent very good spellers
[06:24] <GnuKemist> ;)
[06:24] <Skaaa> still never fixed my original problem
[06:24] <Skaaa> oh well
[06:24] <Erik> hOK
[06:24] <GnuKemist> Skaaa, what was it?
[06:24] <mak> I need helop
[06:24] <QMario> Does anyone know what the port number for SWAT is?
[06:24] <mak> hello....
[06:24] <LeeJunFan> QMario: 901
[06:24] <QMario> I tried 911 and 901, but they didn't work.
[06:24] <GnuKemist> QMario, google should tell you this too
[06:25] <nexus-> has anyone got WPA-PSK running using an intel pro 2100 (without upgrading the kernel)?
[06:25] <mak> I need to know how to get internet connection through a dial-up thing...
[06:25] <QMario> Thank You, hold on...
[06:25] <LeeJunFan> QMario: netstat -pantl | grep swat
[06:25] <PenisBot> when I move an object (window or file) lines go on the screen, all over, how do i fix this?
[06:25] <tritium> dude, that's a nasty nick
[06:25] <Skaaa> GnuKemist: my one computer is too crappy to run warty and now it has nothing but a messed up XP on it, i want to put 95 on it but it wont boot from CD, yes Bios are set up properly
[06:25] <DoYouUbuntu> 95?
[06:25] <DoYouUbuntu> yikes
[06:25] <GnuKemist> Skaaa, try getting a floppy boot disk
[06:25] <synd> tritium: who, me?
[06:25] <tritium> synd, no
[06:26] <Skaaa> i have one, tried it didnt work
[06:26] <GnuKemist> Skaaa, google for bootdisk
[06:26] <Skaaa> yeah, well 95 uses 70 MB of space
[06:26] <GnuKemist> Skaaa, ouch
[06:26] <Skaaa> bootdisk.com
[06:26] <Skaaa> doesnt work :-s
[06:26] <synd> ughh does x-chat have nick complete?
[06:26] <GnuKemist> Skaaa, that's the one
[06:26] <StupidCensorship> when I move an object (window or file) lines go on the screen, all over, how do i fix this?
[06:26] <DoYouUbuntu> damnsmalllinux
[06:26] <GnuKemist> synd, yes
[06:26] <synd> thank god
[06:26] <Skaaa> Gnu: doesnt work though still
[06:26] <synd> i should use that instead of gaim IRC
[06:26] <GnuKemist> Skaaa, not sure then... ;(
[06:27] <mak> I newed to know how to get internet (dial-up) connection for my compy
[06:27] <mak> *need
[06:27] <Skaaa> it will boot a XP cd, but I DONT WANT XP
[06:27] <synd> UGH!
[06:27] <mak> hello?
[06:27] <synd> what ya'll using for nick complete?
[06:27] <Skaaa> XP uses 1.5 gigs of hdd space, i mean the HDD is only 4 gigs lol
[06:27] <tritium> synd, tab
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> tab key does Nick completion
[06:27] <Skaaa> therefore i go to my last resort in this case, 95
[06:27] <GnuKemist> Skaaa, damn small linux doesn't do it either?
[06:27] <geneo91> mak well first type sudo pppdconfig in terminal
[06:27] <LeeJunFan> syn-ack: tab on most any irc client. xchat
[06:27] <Skaaa> havent tried, but i kinda want windows anyway
[06:28] <GnuKemist> gotcha
[06:28] <synd> LeeJunFan: i can tell it works ;p
[06:28] <Skaaa> this is a laptop with no display, it has to connect to a monitor
[06:28] <LeeJunFan> synd: yeah. hehe.
[06:28] <Skaaa> the display broke
[06:28] <GhostFreeman> I wonder my MS named their os after a smiley
[06:28] <Skaaa> i am going to use it for helping friends with their computers
[06:28] <Skaaa> cause its portable
[06:28] <synd> Skaaa: so do you use it "matrix style" ?
[06:28] <wilbertoki> skaaa: I thought xp uses more liek 4 gigs
[06:28] <GnuKemist> Skaaa, well, good luck to you... wish I could be of help
[06:28] <_b> geneo91: awesome!  it worked.  I can't believe I've got my desktop back, after a reinstall, with everything exactly as it was... Thanks for the tip!
[06:28] <Skaaa> nope, XP professional WITHOUT SP2 is 1.5
[06:29] <StupidCensorship> wilbertoki, no it uses 1.5gigs
[06:29] <Skaaa> thanks :-)
[06:29] <geneo91> _b:  np
[06:29] <LeeJunFan> 1.5 gigs and it still doesn't come with a compiler or office suite :)
[06:29] <Skaaa> yeah, and no one really wants to help me, cause theres no windows assistance, HP wont help cause i have done too much to the comp
[06:29] <_b> what the hell is .ICEauthority anyway... heh, never mind, I'll google...
[06:29] <StupidCensorship> LeeJunFan, its microsoft, what would you expect
[06:29] <Skaaa> and this is Ubuntu, everyone goes, EW WINDOWS
[06:30] <Skaaa> so yeah.
[06:30] <LeeJunFan> Skaaa: yeah, they usually end their support at, "Well, I broke off the screen."
[06:30] <StupidCensorship> I don't hate windows, it plays my video games
[06:30] <synd> no, everyone goes, windows? what's that?
[06:30] <synd> :p
[06:30] <wilbertoki> I was using debian sid with gnome 2.8, and then I switched to ubuntu hoary -- it seems like my desktop is a little more sluggish
[06:30] <mak> uh, genoa, pppdconfig isn't a command the sudo sees
[06:30] <Skaaa> haha
[06:30] <GnuKemist> Skaaa, and the Win 95 won't boot?
[06:30] <mak> well, it did it once, and it asked for  a pass
[06:30] <mak> and i put in my login pass
[06:30] <Uscfan> hey everyone,i have a question, my whole schools network is novell, all win2k/XP machines, all new, about 300 total, and i know the admin pass on all of them, have any exciting ideas for april fools day?
[06:31] <Skaaa> LeeJunFan: actually my friend stepped on the display, then it cracked. now it is my mousepad.
[06:31] <Skaaa> :-D
[06:31] <GnuKemist> HAHAHA
[06:31] <mak> and then it didn't work very well, it wouldn't even recognize it as a comman
[06:31] <mak> d
[06:31] <Pizbit> Uscfan: It's called being arrested, apparently it's fun.
[06:31] <randabis> Usefan send a network-wide forkbomb
[06:31] <Uscfan> hey again
[06:31] <Uscfan> what i a forkbomb
[06:31] <Uscfan> and how the hell can i get arrested
[06:31] <Uscfan> i mean
[06:31] <Uscfan> lieksend a netsend to every comp or somthing
[06:31] <Uscfan> nothing illegal
[06:31] <Uscfan> gosh
[06:31] <Skaaa> in all seriousness, my mouspad is a compaq armada display
[06:32] <bob2> Uscfan: cracking is off-topic here, sorry
[06:32] <geneo91> mak sorry pppcongif
[06:32] <mak> it says "sudo: pppdconfig: comand not found"
[06:32] <Uscfan> im not cracking
[06:32] <mak> oh thanx
[06:32] <Uscfan> man o man
[06:32] <bob2> Uscfan: I don't care
[06:32] <geneo91> config
[06:32] <mak> oh
[06:32] <mak> wow
[06:32] <randabis> script kiddy :p
[06:32] <mak> thnx
[06:32] <Skaaa> Uscfan: use one line, sheesh
[06:32] <Skaaa> not
[06:32] <Skaaa> 15
[06:32] <Skaaa> like
[06:32] <Skaaa> this
[06:32] <Uscfan> o
[06:32] <Uscfan> k
[06:32] <randabis> lol
[06:32] <GnuKemist> hehehe
[06:32] <bob2> come on folks
[06:32] <Uscfan> sorry, i still not an IRC dude
[06:33] <Uscfan> i love IRC, but i am used to AIM
[06:33] <nexus-> you mean AIM users like to press enter alot? :)
[06:33] <mak> lol...the ones I know...
[06:33] <Uscfan> So if i were to send a net send to every computer on the school what would you reccomend
[06:33] <Skaaa> DISTRACTIONS, DISTRACTIONS. THAT IS IT, I AM PEEING THEN PLAYING GOD, I MEAN COD :-D
[06:33] <GnuKemist> hehe
[06:33] <GnuKemist> have fun dude
[06:33] <synd> Uscfan: youre in the wrong room buddy
[06:33] <Uscfan> anyone here run folding@home?
[06:34] <GnuKemist> Uscfan, sounds like hacking to me
[06:34] <_b> well, I see Konqueror still likes to crash... dammit
[06:34] <wilbertoki> uscfan: I would say canada has invaded the US
[06:34] <nexus-> Uscfan, I do
[06:34] <geneo91> this is a ubuntu help channel if you want to shoot the shit go elsewhere
[06:34] <_AFK_Dishwasher_> 30 mins till java downloads :rollleyes:
[06:34] <_AFK_Dishwasher_> stupid capped adsl
[06:34] <Uscfan> omfg a net send is not hacking, and stupidly assumed that since you are all computer dudes like me you would have some small interest, but you are probably all 40 and live in your moms basment with star wars posters all over the wall
[06:34] <bob2> Uscfan: this doesn't seem like it has anything to do with Ubuntu, or even free software in general
[06:34] <nexus-> 7 minutes till everything is upgraded
[06:35] <Skaaa> Uscfan:how about you just remotely reformat the school's server?
[06:35] <synd> Uscfan: YES!!@#$
[06:35] <Mr-Petah> ok, i just loguin with root account, i can install vmware tools.. but
[06:35] <Mr-Petah> muahahaha
[06:35] <wilbertoki> uscfan: change your grades to all A's
[06:35] <eruin> http://doors.appelsinjuice.org/ :/
[06:35] <Skaaa> haha, i am 16
[06:35] <_AFK_Dishwasher_> guys
[06:35] <randabis> Uscfan, you're still very off-topic...this is a ubuntu support channel, not omg help me hax0r my school
[06:35] <Skaaa> and i like in my parents house
[06:35] <_AFK_Dishwasher_> net send isnt hacking
[06:35] <lewwy> i mean
[06:35] <ish> Is there a quick howto on how to update to warty to hoary with apt?
[06:35] <bob2> please don't encourage kiddies like that
[06:35] <LeeJunFan> then play 'global thermo nuclear war' :)
[06:35] <geneo91> Mr-Petah:  i can tell you sudo passwd root
[06:35] <nexus-> can't you install vmware using the cli Mr-Petah? that would be safer with su/sudo I assume :)
[06:36] <bob2> ish: it's on the front page of the wiki
[06:36] <lewwy> i took down the entire school education queensland thingo USING a batch file and it
[06:36] <bob2> ish: linked from the Hoary page, iirc
[06:36] <lewwy> but its pretty simple
[06:36] <lewwy> and used properly, not hacking
[06:36] <Mr-Petah> wath's the location of the "gcc" program on your machine? <<<----- vmware question me... :S
[06:36] <Skaaa> ok its been cool talking to everyone, later gaming GnuKemist, maybe ill see ya on ET sometime, i always play as Penguinator
[06:36] <eruin> Mr-Petah: /usr/bin/gcc
[06:36] <^thehatsrule^> whoa what?
[06:37] <Mr-Petah> geneo91, tnx, im root in textmode
[06:37] <^thehatsrule^> join #WolfET peeps ;p
[06:37] <GnuKemist> Skaaa, I play as ElGringo
[06:37] <Skaaa> ok
[06:37] <Mr-Petah> TNX!!!
[06:37] <GnuKemist> Skaaa, have fun and maybe we'll meet online
[06:37] <Mr-Petah> i love this channel!
[06:37] <randabis> Mr-Petah, you need the build-essential package if you don't have it already
[06:37] <Mr-Petah> :D
[06:37] <Skaaa> thanks
[06:37] <Mr-Petah> i have this randabis
[06:37] <Skaaa> add me to your xfire
[06:37] <Mr-Petah> is a virtual iso
[06:37] <Mr-Petah> i can install..
[06:38] <GnuKemist> Skaaa, will have to re-install it first  ;)
[06:38] <Skaaa> ok lol
[06:38] <wilbertoki> I want as little non free stuff on my computer as I can, do you think it would be a good idea to convert all my mp3s to ogg??
[06:38] <Skaaa> give me your xfire name, ill add you
[06:38] <Mr-Petah> but now vmware question me about gcc, but, i have ths solution, tnx ;)
[06:38] <GnuKemist> Skaaa, gnukemist
[06:38] <wilbertoki> and what programs would do that?
[06:38] <Mr-Petah> /usr/bin/gcc
[06:38] <mak> GENEO: do I want the Static or Dynamic DNS, or non at all? for my naemeserver
[06:38] <Skaaa> ok
[06:38] <Mr-Petah> i'm back now
[06:38] <Mr-Petah> :)
[06:39] <Skaaa> ok invitation sent
[06:39] <geneo91> dynamic
[06:39] <Skaaa> im out.
[06:39] <^thehatsrule^> bah cmon Skaaa / GnuKemist ;p
[06:39] <GnuKemist> Skaaa, ttyl then  :)  I usually play on Wednesday nights...  9ish...
[06:39] <^thehatsrule^> bleh
[06:39] <GnuKemist> ;)
[06:39] <^thehatsrule^> i always miss the ET talk
[06:39] <GnuKemist> sorry
[06:39] <GnuKemist> hehehe
[06:39] <lagcisco_> :(
[06:39] <^thehatsrule^> join the chan :P
[06:39] <geneo91> mak dont forget to add yourself as user
[06:39] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, no go huh?
[06:39] <lagcisco_> nope
[06:39] <^thehatsrule^> im trying to recruit freenode ppl to play together on #WolfET
[06:40] <mak> is uh...the "IP number" your IP adress?
[06:40] <GnuKemist> ^thehatsrule^, am going to bed soon
[06:40] <lewwy> +yeh
[06:40] <lewwy> mak: yeh
[06:40] <mak> um
[06:40] <^thehatsrule^> heh, alright
[06:40] <mak> how do you find that out? I have no idea
[06:40] <lagcisco_> i get to the login screen but when i login, i get a black screen with a moveable mouse pointer, no kb or mouse buttons do anything
[06:40] <mak> (i'm a newb)
[06:40] <mak> tolinuz
[06:40] <geneo91> oh if you have to fill that in you have selected wrong thing
[06:40] <mak> Linux
[06:40] <^thehatsrule^> on irc... you can see there
[06:40] <mak> oh really?
[06:40] <mak> what do I select then?
[06:40] <wilbertoki> hatsrule: what game?
[06:41] <^thehatsrule^> alright GnuKemist, just drop by next time then ;p
[06:41] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, I wonder if your .xinitrc file is set up correctly... it seems that gnome-session is the culprit
[06:41] <GnuKemist> ^thehatsrule^, will do
[06:41] <^thehatsrule^> wilbertoki, rtcw:et
[06:41] <lagcisco_> GnuKemist: i was gonna say the same thing
[06:41] <mak> First I entered the "create a conn."
[06:41] <lagcisco_> GnuKemist: how do i disable gnome?
[06:41] <Mr-Petah> ok, vmware answer: "The answer "/usr/bin/gcc" is invalid. It must be the complete name of a binary file"
[06:41] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, kill gdm first
[06:41] <mak> then it asks for my ISP
[06:41] <^thehatsrule^> mak, do a whois on yourself?
[06:41] <lagcisco_> gdm is dead
[06:41] <wilbertoki> ^thehatsrule^: whats that
[06:42] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, create a .xinitrc file with exec gnome-session
[06:42] <^thehatsrule^> erm
[06:42] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, then startx
[06:42] <geneo91> mak mine wont let me in cause im connected
[06:42] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, tell me what happens...  am going to bed very soon
[06:42] <^thehatsrule^> just read topic? its easier hehe
[06:42] <Mr-Petah> ok, vmware answer: "The answer "/usr/bin/gcc" is invalid. It must be the complete name of a binary file" and my question is: what's the name of binary file?
[06:43] <lewwy> 21 minutes until java downloads :rolleyes:
[06:43] <Mr-Petah> i really don't have idea
[06:43] <^thehatsrule^> do a locate gcc?
[06:43] <lagcisco_> GnuKemist: ok trying now
[06:43] <geneo91> Mr-Petah:  go there and look
[06:43] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, may the force be with you
[06:43] <Mr-Petah> no, the name of binary file
[06:43] <Mr-Petah> what?
[06:43] <nexus-> Mr-Petah, the name would be "gcc" I guess
[06:43] <Mr-Petah> my english is so bad, sorry
[06:43] <crimsun> Mr-Petah: make sure the 'build-essential' package is installed
[06:44] <Seveas> Mr-Petah, install build-essential
[06:44] <Mr-Petah> ok
[06:44] <Seveas> that contains all you need for basic compilation
[06:44] <Mr-Petah> wait
[06:44] <geneo91> cd /usr/lib/
[06:44] <nexus-> Mr-Petah, type "which gcc" in the terminal to check
[06:44] <crimsun> Mr-Petah: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:44] <geneo91> cd gcc
[06:44] <geneo91> ls
[06:44] <f00f> hello
[06:44] <geneo91> crimsun:  he has that
[06:45] <crimsun> geneo91: then he needs to --reinstall build-essential
[06:45] <Mr-Petah> okok,
[06:45] <Mr-Petah> wait!!!!
[06:45] <geneo91> i think he's using the live cd
[06:45] <Mr-Petah> i just download the build-essential
[06:45] <lagcisco_> ;(
[06:46] <geneo91> oh
[06:46] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, you should have something on your screen
[06:46] <folta> about the soundcard - i think the digital out is on - will that stop the analogue from operating?
[06:46] <Mr-Petah> i'm run ubuntu in a virtual machine, this is the problem xD
[06:46] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, btw, I never got your email
[06:46] <lagcisco_> GnuKemist: screen was blank.. no gnome installed
[06:46] <lagcisco_> err no gnome started
[06:46] <lagcisco_> wierd cuz kb doesnt work nor mouse buttons
[06:47] <LeeJunFan> is ubuntu kernel not compiled with 4G memory option?
[06:47] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, is re-installing a possibility?
[06:47] <LeeJunFan> for those of us with 1G or more ?
[06:47] <fabbione> LeeJunFan: only 686 and k7 kernels are
[06:47] <fabbione> not the 386
[06:47] <lewwy> crap
[06:47] <lewwy> hang on
[06:47] <lewwy> what's better
[06:47] <fabbione> (of course their -smp variants too)
[06:47] <lewwy> the 386 ubuntu
[06:47] <omnilinux> hi folks. how do you install an i386 deb in amd64?  i thought you could run 32 bit binaries native
[06:47] <lewwy> or 686 one
[06:48] <crimsun> omnilinux: use a 32-bit chroot
[06:48] <crimsun> omnilinux: search the wiki for "debootstrap"
[06:48] <omnilinux> crimsun: cool. how do i do that?
[06:48] <omnilinux> ok
[06:48] <cef> heya fabbione
[06:48] <lagcisco_> GnuKemist: not ubuntu :)
[06:49] <lagcisco_> i guess i'll just go back to gentoo
[06:49] <lagcisco_> this should work :(
[06:49] <QMario> Thank you guys. It is my fault that SWAT wasn't installed. Thank you for being patient with me. :)
[06:49] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, I recommend you try Hoary
[06:49] <lagcisco_> i got all updates installed
[06:49] <LeeJunFan> fabbione: thanks.
[06:49] <lagcisco_> GnuKemist: this is hoary
[06:49] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, Gentoo also rocks
[06:49] <lagcisco_> i'm a gentoo fan
[06:49] <fabbione> LeeJunFan: no problem
[06:49] <lagcisco_> but i just want something to work
[06:49] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, which array?
[06:49] <lagcisco_> array?
[06:49] <Mr-Petah> what gcc? is a program, but what?
[06:49] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, which version of hoary?
[06:50] <randabis> I'm installing gentoo 2005.0 within by ubuntu environment right now
[06:50] <lagcisco_> 5.04
[06:50] <GnuKemist> randabis, AWSOME
[06:50] <randabis> chroot owns :)
[06:50] <lagcisco_> GnuKemist: i just finished dist-upgrade
[06:50] <Mr-Petah> what's gcc? is a program, but what?
[06:50] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, try to re-install gnome-session?
[06:50] <Mr-Petah> what's gcc? is a program, but what?
[06:51] <randabis> GnuKemist, yeah, doing stage 3 this time...I've done some stage 1s in the past
[06:51] <lewwy> wtf just happened?
[06:51] <lagcisco_> GnuKemist: whats another simple WM i can install
[06:51] <stazich> hey, can anyone tell me whether recompiling my kernel will make the system run faster?
[06:51] <lewwy> every1 signing in and out?
[06:51] <crimsun> lewwy: (netsplit)
[06:51] <randabis> Mr-Petah, GNU C compiler
[06:51] <Mr-Petah> am
[06:51] <geneo91> Mr-Petah:  compiler
[06:51] <GnuKemist> randabis, am thinking of installing Gentoo on desktop
[06:51] <lewwy> hey yeh theres a good question
[06:51] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, fluxbox
[06:51] <Mr-Petah> ok, where is the route to this?
[06:51] <Pizbit> stazich: You wouldn't notice, especially if you're using a kernel already built for your cpu
[06:51] <lewwy> will recompiling my kernel make ubuntu run faster?
[06:51] <lagcisco_> fluxbox not found
[06:51] <lagcisco_> wtf
[06:51] <crimsun> lewwy: not noticeably
[06:51] <lewwy> my kernel is built for intel x86
[06:51] <lagcisco_> apt-get install fluxbox
[06:51] <lewwy> i got AMD
[06:51] <Mr-Petah> /usr/bin/gcc, correct?
[06:52] <crimsun> lagcisco_: need to enable the 'universe' repository
[06:52] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, apt-cache search fluxbox
[06:52] <geneo91> lewwy:  not if you dont know what your diong
[06:52] <Pizbit> stazich: The only applications that actually get anything out of compiling for your system are ones that use most of your cpu for long periods of time
[06:52] <osity> so what is the best way to setup a secure ftp for public clients?
[06:52] <lagcisco_> crimsun: how do i do that?
[06:52] <bob2> osity: not using ftp
[06:52] <Mr-Petah> need go to wc, i'm back now
[06:52] <lagcisco_> GnuKemist: didnt work
[06:52] <stazich> i have a PPC G3 350... everything is kinda slow...
[06:52] <osity> bob2: is that sarcasm?>
[06:52] <stazich> hmm
[06:53] <bob2> osity: no, I'm serious
[06:53] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, edit your /apt repository list
[06:53] <crimsun> lagcisco_: using Synaptic>Settings>Repositories, add the universe checkboxes, then Reload
[06:53] <geneo91> macs are slow
[06:53] <synd> stazich: max out your RAM?
[06:53] <Zevin> my graphics seem kind of jumpy. do i need to install drivers for my NV geforce 4 440 go to work right?
[06:53] <synd> geneo91: NO
[06:53] <stazich> so do you not recommend recompiling?
[06:53] <osity> so ftp is vulnerable?
[06:53] <lewwy> yeh im with geneo91
[06:53] <stazich> not yet
[06:53] <bob2> geneo91: off-topic and wrong
[06:53] <GnuKemist> crimsun, lagcisco_ doesn't have X running
[06:53] <bob2> osity: ftp is a terrible protocol
[06:53] <lagcisco_> updating
[06:53] <lewwy> we have macs at our school
[06:53] <lagcisco_> synaptic?
[06:53] <osity> bob:  so it should be ssh?
[06:53] <geneo91> synd:  i'll put my dual p3 up aginst any mac
[06:53] <synd> geneo91: the soon to be release dual core g5's will eat you alive
[06:54] <stazich> i have an iMac, dont really know how much of ram i can put in here... right now it is 128 i believe
[06:54] <lewwy> i used to think they were so so until they deleted my iMovie assignment
[06:54] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, synapics... GUI for apt-get
[06:54] <lagcisco_> crimsun: X doesnt work
[06:54] <bob2> osity: depends what you're trying to do
[06:54] <bob2> geneo91: synd off-topic, thanks
[06:54] <bob2> osity: (that's a hint for you to explain your use-case)
[06:54] <lewwy> iMac's with 400mhz of computing power, made iMovie a real drag
[06:54] <lagcisco_> fluxbox is downloading
[06:54] <stazich> anyways, what if i do decide to recompile just for the hell of it, how do i do it>??
[06:54] <lewwy> you couldnt make a dragbox without lagging the system
[06:55] <stazich> iMovie?>?
[06:55] <lagcisco_> GnuKemist: echo "exec fluxbox" > ~/.xinitrc right?
[06:55] <synd> stazich:  you should be able to get the RAM up to 512
[06:55] <stazich> is it the iTunes etc??
[06:55] <LeeJunFan> how can I get a listing of files in an uninstalled package from the cli? apt-file?
[06:55] <crimsun> lagcisco_: no
[06:55] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, yup
[06:55] <Mr-Petah> to find files, what command?
[06:55] <crimsun> lagcisco_: just choose fluxbox from the GDM Session menu
[06:55] <lagcisco_> no yes?
[06:55] <stazich> i should probably check it out on ebay
[06:55] <GnuKemist> crimsun, ooops
[06:55] <osity> i just want to setup ftp space so our users can store some of their files on there
[06:55] <bob2> LeeJunFan: yes
[06:55] <GnuKemist> crimsun, no X for him
[06:55] <lagcisco_> ok trying now
[06:55] <stazich> so how would i recompile this kernal?
[06:55] <LeeJunFan> bob2: huh, not having much luck I guess :)
[06:56] <Mr-Petah> to find files, what command?
[06:56] <QMario> How do I restart SWAT?
[06:56] <bob2> osity: not detailed enough.  what sort of users?  what sort of network?  what sort of files?  will they use important passwords?
[06:56] <crimsun> GnuKemist: doesn't matter.  If he doesn't have X Window System running, then fluxbox will be pretty useless.
[06:56] <crimsun> GnuKemist: installing fluxbox adds a session entry in the menu.
[06:56] <GnuKemist> crimsun, point taken...  actually Gnome doesn't work for him
[06:56] <GnuKemist> crimsun, you are correct
[06:56] <QMario> Does anyone know how to restart SWAT and Samba?
[06:56] <crimsun> GnuKemist: does GDM work?
[06:56] <GnuKemist> crimsun, he does have X
[06:57] <GnuKemist> crimsun, I believe it does
[06:57] <QMario> What commands do I type in the terminal?
[06:57] <bob2> QMario: same as anything else
[06:57] <GnuKemist> QMario, use the /etc/init.d files
[06:57] <bob2> QMario: sudo invoke-rc.d samba restart
[06:57] <lagcisco_> ;(
[06:57] <osity> qmario :    /etc/initd/samba restart    restarts samba
[06:57] <osity> ooops init.d
[06:58] <GnuKemist> bob2, didn't know about the invoke-rc.d command
[06:58] <lagcisco_> X freezes when i click on any of the buttons like session etc..
[06:58] <lagcisco_> on gdm
[06:58] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, something went terribly wrong with your initial install
[06:58] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, that is why I asked you to re-install from scratch
[06:58] <osity> What is the most secure form of ftp:   SFTP? ssh?
[06:59] <osity> bob:
[06:59] <bob2> osity: you didn't answer my questions above
[06:59] <bob2> osity: sftp and ssh have nothing to do with ftp
[06:59] <lagcisco_> GnuKemist: i'll try once more i guess
[06:59] <bob2> osity: is your question "What's a convenient and secure protocol to let users push data to a server?"?
[06:59] <GnuKemist> lagcisco_, I wish you good luck
[06:59] <QMario> How do I enable SWAT to work?
[06:59] <lagcisco_> thanks
[06:59] <osity> bob2 i thought sftp was just secure ftp .....
[06:59] <GnuKemist> QMario, man swat?
[06:59] <lagcisco_> im out, thanks for the help
[06:59] <osity> bob2
[07:00] <GnuKemist> you're welcome
[07:00] <osity> yeea!
[07:00] <bob2> osity: no, sftp is entirely unrelated to ftp, except by having a similar name
[07:00] <GnuKemist> ok guys...  g'nite all
[07:00] <bob2> osity: 14:56:01           bob2 | osity: not detailed enough.  what sort of users?  what sort of network?  what sort of files?  will they use important passwords?
[07:01] <QMario> I mean the Samba Web Administration Tool(SWAT).
[07:01] <osity> what do you mean by important passwords.?
[07:01] <QMario> Each time, I try to connect to localhost:901, it says that the connection was refused?
[07:01] <bob2> osity: does it matter if people see their passwords?
[07:01] <bob2> QMario: doesn't it just use apache?
[07:02] <osity> bob2 do you mean while they are typing them>?
[07:02] <bob2> no, it doesn't
[07:02] <bob2> osity: blah
[07:02] <QMario> What is apache?
[07:02] <bob2> osity: just answer the rest of the question
[07:02] <osity> www.apache.org
[07:03] <QMario> No.
[07:03] <bob2> QMario: does swat have an init script?
[07:03] <Pizbit> SWAT doesn't use samba
[07:03] <Pizbit> er, apache heh
[07:03] <syn-ack> Swat is swat.
[07:03] <bob2> yeah, I know
[07:04] <syn-ack> thats the nice part. :P
[07:04] <osity> bob2 I want people (special users) to be able to backup any data they want and do it remotely from anywhere.
[07:04] <Mr-Petah> i have the solution!!! tha name of the f*** file is "gcc-3.3" in /usr/bin !!!! but now, vmware question me: "what is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel?"
[07:04] <bob2> Mr-Petah: bah
[07:04] <Mr-Petah> xD
[07:04] <bob2> Mr-Petah: then you didn't install build-essential
[07:04] <bob2> go do that
[07:04] <meng> i have installed the latest ATI drivers and went through fglrxconfig
[07:04] <Mr-Petah> yes! i'm install this!
[07:04] <QMario> Heh, hold on. I think I may have just found the answer to my printer sharing problem. :-D
[07:04] <QMario> I feel so happy. :)
[07:05] <meng> but fglrxinfo says that i'am stuck with mesa drivers
[07:05] <Mr-Petah> i have installed the lastest version..
[07:05] <bob2> meng: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:05] <QMario> Sorry, if I expressed my feeling too much. ;)
[07:05] <bob2> Mr-Petah: then I guess vmware sucks more than I thought it did
[07:05] <Mr-Petah> i think use english/spanish translator :s
[07:05] <bob2> Mr-Petah: now install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[07:06] <osity> bob2: was that more understandable?
[07:06] <bob2> osity: not really
[07:06] <osity> hehe
[07:06] <lewwy> lol
[07:06] <bob2> osity: if you just want to do backups, rsync is probably the best way to go
[07:06] <lewwy> lee has a nice leaving message lol
[07:07] <osity> what's that?
[07:07] <lewwy> (15:04:37) LeeJunFan left the room (quit: "crap, it's the feds! dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda").
[07:07] <bob2> we did all see that
[07:07] <bob2> osity: you've never used rsync?
[07:07] <lewwy> synaptic kicks ass
[07:07] <osity> nope
[07:07] <osity> where is the site?
[07:07] <lewwy> CRAP
[07:07] <lewwy> ok] 
[07:08] <bob2> deprived life;)
[07:08] <lewwy> does anyone know where to get the quake3 installer?
[07:08] <lewwy> for linu?
[07:08] <bob2> rsync.samba.org, in the rsync package in ubuntu
[07:08] <Mr-Petah> bob2: mrpetah@ubuntu:/bin $ sudo apt-get linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[07:08] <Mr-Petah> E: Operacin invlida: linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386
[07:08] <lewwy> ubuntu i mean
[07:08] <Mr-Petah> :s
[07:08] <bob2> Mr-Petah: yes, you need to know how to use apt-get first
[07:08] <bob2> and not paste utf-8 spanish in here
[07:08] <meng> on hoary, so the wiki guide won't help
[07:08] <bob2> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[07:08] <Mr-Petah> oh men!, sorry, my linux is in spanish!
[07:08] <bob2> meng: I'm pretty sure that's wrong
[07:08] <osity> bob2 so what does it do briefly?
[07:09] <meng> on xorg, not xfree86
[07:09] <bob2> meng: yes, I know
[07:09] <lewwy> so does anyone here know where to get the quake3 linux installer for ubuntu?
[07:09] <Mr-Petah> ok, now download the file!
[07:09] <Mr-Petah> ;)
[07:09] <bob2> lewwy: a) stop asking over and over, b) google will find it very quickly
[07:09] <bob2> lewwy: hint: ftp.idsoftware.com
[07:09] <meng> i did alien the package and installed it
[07:09] <lewwy> i only asked twice... :'(
[07:09] <Mr-Petah> i go 4 coffe ;)
[07:10] <Xira> How do I mount my NTFS partition in Ubuntu?
[07:10] <bob2> lewwy: there's no need to ask more than once
[07:10] <geneo91> http://0install.net/injector.html check this out
[07:10] <lewwy> thanks osity
[07:10] <lewwy> i needed that
[07:10] <bob2> Xira: sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/whatever /mnt
[07:10] <lewwy> wait...you're a woman right?
[07:10] <osity> no problem man
[07:10] <lewwy> ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/quake3/linux/linuxq3apoint-1.32b-3.x86.run
[07:10] <bob2> osity: it syncrhonises directories between machines very very quickly
[07:10] <lewwy> that'd be it?
[07:11] <Xira> root@evermore:~# mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/windowsr /mnt
[07:11] <Xira> mount: special device /dev/windowsr does not exist
[07:11] <factotum> to print to a xp machine printer from this ubuntu machine, is it just a matter or setting up cups, or do i need something like samba as well?
[07:11] <bob2> Xira: yes, you do need to find out where your drive is
[07:11] <osity> bob2I am trying to find it and I cant rsync.samba.org,
[07:11] <Xira> eh
[07:11] <Xira> ?
[07:12] <lewwy> does anyone know of a download manager that comes with ubuntu?
[07:12] <osity> bob2 that is awesome!....is it hard to setup
[07:12] <bob2> osity: no, it's simple
[07:12] <bob2> lewwy: firefox
[07:12] <lewwy> nah
[07:12] <Xira> bob2, its just a diffrent partition on this drive
[07:12] <bob2> Xira: you need to know where on your disk your windows partition is
[07:12] <lewwy> i try downloading a .run file
[07:12] <lewwy> and it stuffs up
[07:12] <Mr-Petah> ok, installed
[07:12] <osity> bob2 found it...
[07:12] <stazich> hey guys, is there another window manager we can use wih warty??
[07:12] <bob2> Xira: yes, you need to find which one it is
[07:13] <bob2> lewwy: "stuffs up"? how so?
[07:13] <Xira> how do i find out?
[07:13] <bob2> Xira: you don't know?
[07:13] <osity> bob2 ,,,,how long would it take for a newbie to set it up
[07:13] <bob2> Xira: it's probably hda1 then
[07:13] <stazich> i haerd about the release of KDE for ubuntu... are these like the only 2 window managers available for the distribution
[07:13] <stazich> ??
[07:13] <bob2> stazich: of course not
[07:13] <Mr-Petah> what is the location of the directory of C header files that match whit running kernel?
[07:13] <bob2> stazich: they're the only two supported environments at the moment, tho
[07:13] <stazich> bob2
[07:13] <Xira> is there a way i can check and make sure?
[07:13] <bob2> Mr-Petah: surely vmware gives you support if you give them money?
[07:13] <Pizbit> stazich: Firstly, GNOME and KDE are not window managers, they are Desktop Environments, two, their wms are not
[07:13] <bob2> Xira: "fdisk -l /dev/hda"
[07:13] <Mr-Petah> xDDDDDD
[07:13] <factotum> gnome, kde, xfce, fluxbox, enlightenment, kvwm, etc etc
[07:14] <osity> bob2: so it would allow a windows user to back up his windows files on a linux server and synch then from time to time?
[07:14] <bob2> osity: if they have existing ssh accounts, it's very simple, just install rsync on both sides
[07:14] <Xira> yeh its hda1
[07:14] <stazich> so has anyone had luck with other desktop environments?
[07:14] <factotum> use konquerer, nautilus, xfcewm, whatever
[07:14] <bob2> osity: if they're using windows, you should have mentioned that to begin with
[07:14] <factotum> heck, use mc
[07:14] <Xira> bob2, so  i do:
[07:14] <Xira> mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/whatever /mnt
[07:14] <Xira> ?
[07:14] <jsgotangco> stazich: i use xfce and ratpoison on hoary
[07:14] <lewwy> does anyone know where the wine configuration file is?
[07:14] <Xira> er
[07:15] <factotum> i have fluxbox and xfce all nice n setup the way i want
[07:15] <Xira> er
[07:15] <Xira> /dev/hda1
[07:15] <bob2> Xira: where whatever = hda1, yes
[07:15] <Dreamer3> no burn-in!!!!!!!!!!!1
[07:15] <Xira> mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/hda1 /mnt
[07:15] <Xira> rather
[07:15] <Pizbit> Dreamer3: White screen of life huh?
[07:15] <stazich> Pizbit : I have a problem.. i believe that my 350Mhz iMac can do better with some liter window manager... is it true?
[07:15] <Dreamer3> Pizbit: nah, didn't even do that
[07:15] <osity> bob2 ya clients use windows but i want to use linux for the security aspect....
[07:15] <Pizbit> Dreamer3: Hrm?
[07:15] <factotum> stazich: probably, give xfce a try
[07:16] <osity> as a server to hold the data
[07:16] <bob2> osity: have to find some windows backup software or something
[07:16] <bob2> windows is too useless to run rsync easily
[07:16] <Dreamer3> Pizbit: it was just off while i was gone at work today... must be that "image persistence" dealy... i can only VERRRY faintly see one spot now... yesterday i could see silohets of icons :)
[07:16] <bob2> yo ucould use cygwin and script it, I guess
[07:16] <Xira> bob2, in /mnt/windows when i do an ls I don't get the root C:\ dir from windows... it's a weird folder
[07:16] <bob2> osity: or use webdav over ssl or something
[07:16] <Pizbit> Dreamer3: Heh
[07:16] <stazich> factotum : is in on the warty distro?? problem is will i be able to find XFCE for ppc platform ??
[07:16] <bob2> Xira: where you using something silly like "RAID"?
[07:16] <Pizbit> Dreamer3: Maybe it might be worth making your gnome panels auto-hide?
[07:17] <Xira> bob2, no.
[07:17] <Xira> its an ide drive
[07:17] <factotum> stazich: you shouldn't have any problems, im running it on warty and hoary
[07:17] <bob2> Xira: what dir is it?
[07:17] <Xira> i dont know... its weird
[07:17] <Dreamer3> Pizbit: nah... guess i don't care... i mean i didn't notice it until i hid them (they usually show)
[07:17] <Pizbit> Ah gotchya heh
[07:17] <factotum> stazich: just do an apt-cache search xfce, you will get all kinds of results
[07:17] <Dreamer3> Pizbit: i'll think about it, but i'm not worried anymore... though there is still a darker band on my left and right sides, but it's been there forever... *shrugs*
[07:17] <stazich> how is that???
[07:18] <stazich> apt- cache?
[07:18] <Pizbit> No space
[07:18] <jsgotangco> satzic: sudo apt-cache search xfce
[07:18] <factotum> apt-cache search xfce
[07:18] <stazich> im nube... )
[07:18] <Dreamer3> be back later
[07:18] <Xira> bob2, http://rafb.net/paste/results/l3SgM835.html
[07:18] <kpeterson> When I try to change my resolution in the gnome screen resolution preferences GUI, the options presented only go as high as 1024x768.  I have tried editing my xf86config-4 file but have been unsuccessfull... any ideas?
[07:18] <factotum> dont forget to type 'sudo' first heh
[07:18] <kkathman> Evening all :)
[07:18] <jsgotangco> hello
[07:18] <kkathman> Just installed the new Hoary release...wow its really nice :)
[07:18] <lewwy> wow
[07:18] <lewwy> i booted into ubuntu
[07:19] <lewwy> about 6 hours ago
[07:19] <Xira> bob2, ..?
[07:19] <lewwy> and its running as stable as when i first ran it
[07:19] <bob2> Xira: dude, wait five seconds
[07:19] <jsgotangco> kkathman: hoary is really nice
[07:19] <lewwy> hooray for debian!
[07:19] <Xira> ok
[07:19] <factotum> kkathman: yea its nice
[07:19] <bob2> Xira: or paste it to #flood so I don't waste time reading a urk
[07:19] <bob2> url
[07:19] <kkathman> jsgotangco, yes...its amazing...auto installed samba..and all the computers are visible
[07:19] <jsgotangco> :D
[07:19] <kkathman> this is a real coup for ubuntu
[07:19] <kkathman> I am SO sold on it
[07:19] <HillTop> kpeterson, Are you using livecd?
[07:20] <factotum> speaking of which, i need to reboot my new kernel..doh!
[07:20] <jsgotangco> kkathman: the laptop support is nice as well
[07:20] <kpeterson> HillTop No i Have hoary installed
[07:20] <drewcore> what are some pros to going to hoary?
[07:20] <kkathman> jsgotangco, Im getting a new computer tomorrow, just to run LInux...a little p4 system, 512 mem for $299 :)
[07:20] <HillTop> kpeterson, hold on a minute...
[07:20] <Xira> ugh bob
[07:20] <Xira> its a big url
[07:20] <Xira> er
[07:21] <jsgotangco> wow that is cheap
[07:21] <Xira> paste
[07:21] <kkathman> should just run like a gazelle
[07:21] <Xira> just use the url
[07:21] <Xira> :|
[07:21] <bob2> Xira: #flood
[07:21] <bob2> in future
[07:21] <stazich> hey, i have done the following command as factotum recommended to find the XFCE... what do i do next???   apt-cache search xfce
[07:21] <jas_MHz> Morning
[07:21] <jsgotangco> you can just put a 686 kernel on that and it would fly
[07:21] <jsgotangco> stazich: sudo apt-cache search xfce
[07:22] <Pizbit> stazich: sudo apt-get install nameofhtexfcepackage
[07:22] <s0cks> Debian = not producing, and that means no ubuntu move forward..
[07:22] <jsgotangco> sudo apt-get install name of package
[07:22] <Pizbit> jsgotangco: Why oh why would you need to use sudo to search?
[07:22] <bob2> s0cks: this isn't a trolling forum, sorry
[07:22] <kkathman> be careful on xfce folks
[07:22] <s0cks> im not trolling
[07:22] <jsgotangco> Pizbit: I just use sudo on everythinhg hehehehe
[07:22] <s0cks> im stating.
[07:22] <stazich> thx... il try now
[07:22] <Pizbit> s0cks: That's pathetic, I've seen much better trolls
[07:22] <bob2> s0cks: well, you're wrong, and off-topic, so try #s0cks or something
[07:23] <jsgotangco> go to #war
[07:23] <s0cks> ubuntu is awesome. I use it
[07:23] <s0cks> but the underlying os isn't producing?
[07:23] <bob2> *sigh*
[07:24] <randabis> debian is not an "underlying os"
[07:24] <bob2> please go away
[07:24] <osity> bob2: are there any major problems i need to worry about if clients are using a program like filezilla sftp??
[07:24] <kkathman> ubuntu is the most effortless install I've ever seen :)
[07:24] <bob2> or at least read the troll howto
[07:24] <Pizbit> randabis: Don't feed the trolls
[07:24] <lewwy> its open source....so ubuntu are producing it
[07:24] <jsgotangco> s0cks: any improvement in Ubuntu is contributed to Debian most obviously security updates
[07:24] <kkathman> I hope it goes as well as well on my new box tomorrow
[07:24] <lewwy> ohh wheres the troll howto?
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> how to be a better troll.
[07:24] <jas_MHz> I'm trying to compile wine on my amd64 but I'm getting interlocked.o errors - so I need to put a 32 bit flag somewhere - but where ( i am n00bish ) do I put it with the make depend &&  make or somewhere in the makefile ??
[07:24] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:25] <lewwy> wheres the troll howto?
[07:25] <synd> jas_MHz: hey, we all have to star somewhere
[07:25] <bob2> jas_MHz: just install i386 Ubuntu in a chroot
[07:25] <Xira> bob2, bob how do I undo that mount I just did?
[07:25] <synd> jas_MHz: start*
[07:25] <bob2> lewwy: have you heard of this awesome thing called "google"?
[07:25] <kkathman> lol bob
[07:25] <lewwy> yes
[07:25] <bob2> Xira: sudo umount /mnt/windows
[07:25] <lewwy> but i've heard of a better thing called "annoying the crap out of people to save 3 clicks"
[07:25] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:25] <lewwy> i mean honestly
[07:25] <lewwy> 3 clicks
[07:25] <HillTop> kpeterson, You might look at the settings in a livecd boot and compare to your install. I had to make certain cheat codes to get ubuntu to see my screen as 1280x1024. When I then installed the settings were 1280x1024 on the install.
[07:25] <bob2> Xira: er, you mounted it on /mnt/
[07:25] <bob2> lewwy: please stop it
[07:26] <jas_MHz> bob2: what is the i386 Ubuntu package called ?
[07:26] <lewwy> okay okay
[07:26] <lewwy> geez
[07:26] <bob2> jas_MHz: it's not a package, it's an OS
[07:26] <bob2> jas_MHz: wine by itself is useless on amd64
[07:26] <stazich> can anyone give me an ftp mirror name for apt??
[07:26] <Xira> bob2, i accidentally mounted it to /mnt
[07:26] <bob2> and I bet it needs more than ia32-libs has
[07:26] <Xira> and when i try to unmont i get
[07:26] <Pizbit> Xira: Unmount it then
[07:26] <kpeterson> HillTop I am not farmiliar with the concept of cheat codes
[07:26] <bob2> Xira: yes, indeed.  think about thisa a bit more
[07:26] <Xira> root@evermore:/mnt# umount /mnt
[07:26] <Xira> umount: /mnt: device is busy
[07:26] <Xira> umount: /mnt: device is busy
[07:26] <jas_MHz> bob2: so I need to be running 32 bit Ubuntu ?
[07:26] <Pizbit> Xira: unmount the /dev/ you specified when you mounted it
[07:26] <bob2> Xira: that means /mnt/windows is your c:\windows dir
[07:27] <osity> gnight lovers
[07:27] <bob2> Xira: cd out of it, first
[07:27] <jsgotangco> stazich: i forgot sudo apt-get update first
[07:27] <bob2> osity: I don't know, never use filezilla, whatever it is
[07:27] <Xira> k
[07:27] <bob2> jas_MHz: I'd think so
[07:27] <osity> its a sftp client
[07:27] <kkathman> in hoary does anyone remember how to get "COMPUTER" to appear on the desktop...I just plain have forgotten
[07:27] <bob2> Xira: but actually read what I said, first
[07:27] <Xira> bob2, that worked
[07:27] <Xira> but when i try to remount
[07:27] <Xira> I get
[07:27] <bob2> Xira: /mnt/windows is c:\windows.  look in /mnt.
[07:27] <Xira> root@evermore:/mnt# mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows/
[07:27] <Xira> mount: mount point /mnt/windows/ does not exist
[07:27] <bob2> duh
[07:28] <Pizbit> Xira: mkdir /mnt/windows
[07:28] <bob2> Xira: can you stop talking and read for a moment please?
[07:28] <bob2> 15:26:58           bob2 | Xira: that means /mnt/windows is your c:\windows dir
[07:28] <kpeterson> HillTop So what I gather is that I need to boot from a live CD, find that xf86conf4 file and compare it to my installed version?  Then what do I do?
[07:28] <stazich> jsgotangco : i have done the update command, now how can i find the xfce??
[07:28] <Xira> YES
[07:28] <Xira> I REALIZE THIS, I UNMOUNTED
[07:28] <bob2> 15:10:24           bob2 | Xira: sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/whatever /mnt
[07:28] <HillTop> kpeterson, look at knoppix and the knoppix home page.  http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Cheat_Codes    some are xres=1280x1024, screen=1280x1024,   vga=794,   these are some for different distros using that technology.
[07:28] <bob2> the directory you mount to has to exist
[07:28] <Xira> k
[07:28] <Xira> got it
[07:28] <kkathman> stazich, just for the record, if you go to the xfce page, it literally walks you through it so that you can choose it off the Sessions menu
[07:29] <kpeterson> HillTop OK so when I boot the live CD a present a cheat code, THEN check out the conf file and do a little copy/paste
[07:29] <lewwy> what package contains a updated version of libXrender.so
[07:29] <bob2> lewwy: you should read the FAQ
[07:29] <codemac> Has anyone had problems with getting a palm pilot to work through a serial port to usb converter?
[07:30] <HillTop> kpeterson, Get it up on livecd in hte mode you want, yes, copy off the settings in the config file, I forget which... I'm not in Ubuntu right now, but I did get Warty to install with 1280x1024.
[07:30] <bob2> lewwy: also, it's way better to explain what you're trying to do, instead of some random small task you decided you needed to do
[07:30] <lewwy> oh ok sorry
[07:30] <bob2> ie, it's highly unlikely you actually need a new libXrender
[07:30] <lewwy> wine needs a updated libXrender.so
[07:30] <wingsline> hello
[07:30] <bob2> lewwy: no, it doesn't
[07:30] <lewwy> because the old one is buggy
[07:30] <bob2> lewwy: wine in warty is buggy?
[07:30] <lewwy> can i paste 3 lines here?
[07:30] <lewwy> or in flood?
[07:30] <kpeterson> HillTop So it would be unwise to do a complete copy/paste?  I only want to replace a certain section?
[07:30] <bob2> lewwy: #flood
[07:31] <lewwy> its there bob2 if u wanna take a look
[07:32] <synd> How should I go by upgrading Gaim from 1.0 (the version warty came with) to 1.2?
[07:32] <ice_1963> wine is buggy....
[07:32] <kpeterson> synd If your repositories are updated, then you should be able to do it with synaptic or apt-get
[07:32] <wingsline> synd, i upraged with autopackage
[07:33] <Xira> XMMS locks up when I try to play music
[07:33] <Xira> :(
[07:33] <synd> kpeterson: ok, ill try that
[07:33] <synd> wingsline: whatcha mean?
[07:33] <Xira> and it wont run as nicholas
[07:33] <Xira> only as root
[07:33] <niran> Xira: tell it to use the esd output plugin before you play anything
[07:33] <bob2> I'd stay far far away from autopackage
[07:33] <codemac> Xira : that means you are probably using the wrong sound server under options
[07:33] <niran> then restart
[07:33] <wingsline> there's a gaim-xxx.package file
[07:33] <codemac> Listen to niran
[07:33] <kkathman> bob2, can you tell me how to get terminal and computer on my desktop in hoary?
[07:33] <wingsline> run it as sudo
[07:33] <bob2> kkathman: no idea, I don't use the desktop
[07:34] <wingsline> in a terminal,
[07:34] <kpeterson> kkathman i believe its on ubuntuguide.org
[07:34] <Xira> Well how do I get it to run as nicholas?
[07:34] <lewwy> so what do you reckon bob2?
[07:34] <Xira> its only running as root'
[07:34] <kpeterson> kkathman http://ubuntuguide.org/#showdesktopicons
[07:34] <codemac> Xira, you can't even run it?
[07:34] <synd> wingsline: how?
[07:35] <Xira> not as nicholas
[07:35] <kkathman> kpeterson,  thanks very much
[07:35] <Xira> only as root
[07:35] <agnes> hey all!
[07:35] <synd> i did sudo apt-get install gaim
[07:35] <codemac> Xira, so it doesn't lock up then?
[07:35] <agnes> I want to install licq on this new ubuntu, but it's like I don't have the repository..
[07:36] <agnes> how can I add it so I can get licq?
[07:36] <codemac> Xira, it just doesn't start?
[07:36] <Xira> codemac, when im as root and i can open xmms.. it locks up when i play a song
[07:36] <Xira> but i cant even get it to run as my regular user
[07:36] <niran> agnes: add the universe repository in synaptic
[07:36] <wingsline> synd, download the file gaim-1.2.0.x86.package, and then run in a terminal window: chmod +x gaim-1.2.0.x86.package;./gaim-1.2.0.x86.package
[07:36] <kpeterson> HillTop Thanks for your suggestions
[07:36] <wingsline> follow the insturctions there
[07:36] <HillTop> kpeterson, Compare and it should help you figure it out if noone gives a direct answer here.  I jumped in becaused you asked and weren't getting an answer right away. I recall having some difficulty getting it going and now I don't recall which of those cheat codes was the one.
[07:36] <agnes> niran: How do I do that? I'm using kynaptic, as it were
[07:37] <codemac> Xira, it is the esd setting in xmms that is making it lock up in root
[07:37] <bob2> wingsline: I hope you're planning on supporting anyone who has issues installing random outside packages on Ubuntu
[07:37] <bob2> since Ubuntu itself cannot
[07:37] <kpeterson> HillTop Oh allright, thank you very much, hopefully i can figure it out
[07:37] <codemac> Xira, but as your user.... permissions is my best guess
[07:37] <synd> wingsline: ok, ill try that out
[07:37] <codemac> Xira, try running sudo usermod -G audio [username] 
[07:37] <wingsline> bob2, this works until the package appears on apt
[07:38] <codemac> Xira, then check and see what the permissions are on xmms itself... after that I'm not sure
[07:38] <bob2> wingsline: except that it might require different libraries to what he/she has installed
[07:38] <bob2> wingsline: and it will install files that dpkg won't know about or remove
[07:38] <synd> ...
[07:39] <wingsline> bob2, autoapckage has a add/remove where you can see what is installed
[07:39] <codemac> run xmms in a terminal, and /msg me what it says if none of that works
[07:39] <bob2> wingsline: oh, so now the users have to remember to use autopackage as well as aptitude?
[07:39] <bob2> lewwy: does hoary's wine work any better?
[07:40] <wingsline> bob2, like i said, this is a temporary solution until gaim 1.2 appears in apt repos.
[07:40] <synd> wingsline: chmod +x gaim-1.2.0.x86.package;./gaim-1.2.0.x86.package
[07:41] <regeya_> bob2: why wwould someone have to remember to use autopackage?  It's a CHOICE to use non-distro-supplied packages.
[07:41] <Zevin> anyone have any luck with gtk-nvidia?
[07:41] <synd> do i not have to put the directory in there somwhere?
[07:41] <wingsline> i'm wondering, when will have gnome a good menu editor...
[07:42] <regeya_> man, the turboprint drivers are sucking down the cpu cycles...:-/
[07:42] <rdw200169> when you're fed up with gnome, you can try kubuntu
[07:42] <rdw200169> it has a great menu editor
[07:43] <synd> wingsline: ?
[07:43] <wingsline> rdw200169, what's the name of that menu editor?
[07:43] <rdw200169> kubuntu is the package that installs kde window manager in ubuntu
[07:43] <Zevin> kde, bleck
[07:44] <regeya_> as a KDE fan, I have only one request:  PLEASE STOP TAUNTING THE GNOME USERS.  It doesn't win fans.  Trust me.  GNOMErs like to flood kde-centric channels as well at times.  It doesn't work.  It just pisses people off. :-)
[07:44] <wingsline> synd, yep
[07:45] <bob2> monkey: please turn that off
[07:45] <rdw200169> search for menueditor_0.4.1-1_all.deb
[07:45] <rdw200169> i can
[07:45] <rdw200169> i can't remember where i found it, but it's a decent menu-editor for gnome
[07:46] <TongMaster> bob2, he's away, don't you know?
[07:46] <synd> yay i got it
[07:46] <synd> wingsline: thanks
[07:46] <TongMaster> bob2, two weeks til your home town become interesting
[07:46] <wingsline> rdw200169, i found 2 editors, but none of them work as expected...
[07:46] <wingsline> synd, welcome
[07:46] <mike_douglas> how could I repair accidentially deleted configuration files?
[07:47] <synd> wingsline: all i did was sudo sh <insert gaim.package directory here>
[07:47] <rvirani> What is the latest version of XFCE on woody
[07:47] <monkey> bob2, New Installation, I'll turn off that right now, sorry...
[07:47] <Zevin> hey, nvidia-glx messed me up bad, an i mising something?
[07:47] <bob2> monkey: thanks :-)
[07:47] <bob2> TongMaster: I've put up posters with your mug on them already
[07:47] <rdw200169> i had the same gripe: wanted to change the "gksudo" to "gksu" commands in all the system tools apps but couldn't
[07:47] <rvirani> Im trying to help a friend out that has debian and recommend a ... proper desktop enviroment
[07:47] <bob2> "DO NOT GET DRUNK NEAR THIS MAN"
[07:47] <rvirani> or window manager
[07:48] <n4cht> nvidia-glx-config enable,  then comment DRI and GLCore from the list of modules to be loaded in your xorg.conf, restart X and you're done.
[07:48] <rdw200169> so i went to kde a couple of days ago when i heard about kubuntu
[07:48] <rvirani> and for the latest bleeding edge debian release, what version of gnome are they at or is that release 3 years old too
[07:48] <bob2> rvirani: #idiots is the place for Debian trolling, thanks
[07:48] <rvirani> ?
[07:48] <rvirani> bob2: what?
[07:49] <wingsline> synd, did you manage to install it?
[07:49] <Zevin> ok, the comment part, how does that work? i just ran the enable command and restarted, and all i got was a white screen
[07:49] <rvirani> bob2: I know stable is just cause I dont know if the latest is doesnt make me a troll
[07:49] <rvirani> perhaps someone with intelligence can answer me
[07:49] <Dr_Willis> one of ubuntu's neat features - is the use of the latest gnome releases
[07:49] <bob2> rvirani: ok then, thanks for your insight
[07:49] <bob2> rvirani: debian unstable has gnome 2.8, as you can see on packages.debian.org
[07:50] <rvirani> great thanx dude
[07:50] <synd> uhhhh
[07:50] <rvirani> thanx for your help
[07:51] <rvirani> bob2: is the name 'sarge' for the unstable version?
[07:51] <geneo91> noone from M$ for sure
[07:51] <bob2> rvirani: no
[07:51] <MyNameIsChris> Score, Ubuntu CDs have arrived
[07:51] <rvirani> bob2: what is the name?
[07:51] <synd> i just installed warty on a p3 laptop and every time i booted up there would be this black X in the center of the screen when i logged in.. it would go away if I opened up an app and dragged it by. now my screensaver has come up and i looked over and the black X is back and the computer is not responding.. ??
[07:51] <MyNameIsChris> Now I must convince my friends Linux is cool
[07:51] <bob2> rvirani: woody = stable, sarge = testing, sid = unstable
[07:51] <geneo91> sorry wrong window
[07:52] <bob2> synd: trident or s3 video?
[07:52] <rvirani> ok cool so I wanna tell him to use unstable
[07:52] <synd> bob2: have no idea what you mean
[07:52] <rvirani> thanx
[07:52] <bob2> rvirani: no you don't
[07:52] <mebaran151> I jus tgot an Epson R800 printer
[07:52] <bob2> rvirani: not unless someone with a clue about Debian is going to be there to hold his hand
[07:52] <mebaran151> anybody want to make it work
[07:52] <rvirani> bob2: is there a way to upgrade a woody machine to a sid machine?
[07:52] <bob2> synd: "what video card do you have"
[07:53] <mebaran151> I tried the gimp print driver
[07:53] <bob2> rvirani: er, of course, same way you upgrade between any releases
[07:53] <mebaran151> and it does like working
[07:53] <rvirani> bob2: he was good enough to install on an oldworld PPC
[07:53] <synd> no clue.. ill reboot and check. hmmm.. how do i check from Ubuntu?
[07:54] <TongMaster> bob2, are they "Wanted" posted or "Do not server">
[07:54] <TongMaster> hrm, bad syntax day.
[07:54] <bob2> hahaha
[07:55] <TongMaster> bob2, I'm coming to Canberra for a sabattical, not to run riot.
[07:55] <bob2> TongMaster: oh, right
[07:55] <stazich> hey guys, im still in the persuite to download and install XFCE on my ubuntu for PPC... im at the site right mow, in the download section it lets me choose among tarballs for specific distro's... should i choose debian since there is no ubuntu
[07:55] <stazich> ?>
[07:55] <bob2> TongMaster: maybe you could schedule a few quiet ones at someone point?
[07:56] <wingsline> stazich, you have xfce in apt repos. , but you can download the xfce installer, and try that
[07:56] <TongMaster> bob2, I afraid there will be too many quiet ones, being above a pub for nine days
[07:56] <markybob> spell checking isnt working in openoffice.org2 in hoary.  i have myspell-en-us installed.  what else do i need?
[07:56] <stazich> wingsline, how can i do that??
[07:57] <wingsline> the installer is here: http://os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=42
[07:57] <rvirani> bob2: thanx for your help
[07:59] <llamabutcher> hey
[07:59] <llamabutcher> can anyone help me w/ ndiswrapper ?
[07:59] <synd> bob2: how do i check out what my vid card is from ubuntu
[08:00] <mebaran151> Anyone able to help me with my R800 EPSON printer
[08:00] <bob2> llamabutcher: did you read the howto?
[08:00] <synd> llamabutcher: s'wrong?
[08:00] <mebaran151> Gimp print is acting funny
[08:00] <llamabutcher> bob2 yep
[08:00] <llamabutcher> i am almost done i think
[08:00] <llamabutcher> i installed ndiswrapper from synaptic package manger
[08:00] <bob2> synd: lspci | grep -i video or so
[08:00] <llamabutcher> and i loaded the driver from cd
[08:00] <stazich> wingsline, thanks, i am downloading the installer now...
[08:00] <llamabutcher> but then the guide says to type sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[08:00] <llamabutcher> and my computer hangs
[08:00] <llamabutcher> my new lappy
[08:00] <llamabutcher> i cant even ctrl alt backspace
[08:00] <llamabutcher> i have to turn it off w/ power button
[08:00] <llamabutcher> but the light on the wifi card comes on...
[08:01] <llamabutcher> very weird
[08:01] <mebaran151> anybody
[08:01] <mebaran151> I just wnat Gimp Print to work
[08:01] <bob2> ndiswrapper does do a bunch of extremely evil things to your machine
[08:01] <wingsline> stazich, you may need some dev. packages to install/compile xfce, but with apt you can get it all
[08:02] <llamabutcher> bob2, i need my wifi to work in ubuntu
[08:02] <llamabutcher> im sick of windows and the wireless internet is the only thig holding me back from completely ridding myself of it
[08:02] <topyli> mebaran151: you haven't really asked a question yet. you just say gimpprint is funny :)
[08:02] <llamabutcher> jsotangco: did you use it on a lappy?
[08:02] <codemac> Anyone use a PDA with ubuntu?  I can't get gnome-pilot to detect the pda
[08:02] <jsgotangco> llamabutcher: yes in a laptop of course
[08:02] <bob2> llamabutcher: I'm sure you do, but it does do highly evil things
[08:03] <bob2> llamabutcher: try asking on the ndiswrapper list, I guess
[08:03] <jsgotangco> llamabutcher: even hibernate/sleep works
[08:03] <llamabutcher> hmmm
[08:03] <llamabutcher> you installed from snypatic right?
[08:03] <kkathman> Im trying to install the new Opera, but I'm getting an error that libqt-mt.so.3 is missing...whats the dependency I need to get in hoary for this?
[08:03] <jsgotangco> yes ndiswrapper from the repository
[08:04] <jsgotangco> kkathman: install the static opera package, opera is very dependent on QT libs
[08:04] <kkathman> right I think it didnt get installed before
[08:04] <bob2> kkathman: libqt3c102-mt
[08:04] <bob2> kkathman: don't they have debs?
[08:04] <kkathman> its not the new release tho bob
[08:04] <jsgotangco> kkathman: the static deb will install fine
[08:04] <kkathman> jsgotangco, how do I get that?
[08:04] <jsgotangco> kkathman: youre better off with that
[08:05] <kkathman> I just downloaded the standard dl from Opera.com
[08:05] <llamabutcher> when i look, it says that the .inf driver is installed...
[08:05] <kkathman> I chose debian, sarge
[08:05] <llamabutcher> so how do i just get it to see my card?
[08:05] <jsgotangco> kkathman: there's a static package
[08:05] <Xira> hi guys... ive had a really bad day with ubuntu hoary... my sudousers file disapered... I was having so much fun with Ubuntu, and now when i ctrl alt f1 and login to root it isnt accepting my root pass anymore.... and im just so upset and frustrated i dont know what to do ='(
[08:05] <kkathman> hmmm ok I'll see if I can find that one then thanks
[08:06] <synd> Xira: well hoary is a bit unstable..
[08:06] <Dreamer3> synd: still? :)
[08:06] <topyli> Xira: the root password (if you have one) has nothing to do with your sudoers file
[08:06] <synd> Dreamer3: until it's out of it's "preveiw" release, t is
[08:06] <Xira> right, but my reg user cant sudo anymore
[08:06] <synd> preview
[08:06] <Xira> because the file disapered
[08:06] <Xira> so i need to login to root to remake the file
[08:07] <Xira> i dont know..
[08:07] <Xira> im just so frustrated :(
[08:07] <mebaran151> anyone want to help me make my R800 work
[08:07] <bob2> Xira: reboot, chose rescue mode from the boot menu
[08:07] <mebaran151> it is shiny and now and new
[08:07] <topyli> Xira: you could try in single user mode
[08:07] <bob2> mebaran151: you don't seem to have explained the problem yet
[08:07] <bob2> mebaran151: or told use what you've tried
[08:07] <Xira> I just dont get how my suoder file DISAPERS and my root password STOPS working
[08:08] <bob2> Xira: sounds like something corrupted your disk
[08:08] <bob2> Xira: did you have an unclean shutdown?
[08:08] <Xira> heh
[08:08] <Xira> nope
[08:08] <Xira> happened in realtime
[08:08] <topyli> Xira: so you've enabled root but the password is invalid now?
[08:08] <Xira> I dont know..
[08:08] <Xira> sudo -s was working
[08:09] <topyli> ah, that's just sudo
[08:09] <Xira> until codemac told me to  usermod -G audio nicholas as root
[08:09] <Xira> and then after i tried to sudo after that
[08:09] <Xira> i get
[08:09] <Xira> nicholas is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[08:09] <bob2> why would codemac tell you to do that?;
[08:09] <Xira> to get xmms to work..
[08:09] <Xira> :[
[08:10] <bob2> that won't help make xmms work
[08:10] <Xira> well i guess i was misinstructed
[08:10] <Xira> anyway afterthat it broke sudo
[08:10] <topyli> Xira: anyway, boot to single user mode and recreate your sudoers file
[08:10] <Xira> how do i boot into single user mode..
[08:10] <Xira> i dont know what that is
[08:11] <lewwy> hey guys
[08:11] <bob2> 16:07:13           bob2 | Xira: reboot, chose rescue mode from the boot menu
[08:11] <Xira> and then login as root?
[08:11] <topyli> Xira: when you boot and grub shows up, press ESC (iirc). there should be a rescue mode in the menu
[08:11] <Xira> even though it isnt accepting my password..
[08:11] <lewwy> whats the command in conjunction with mount to make it so you can eject the CD without unmounting first?
[08:11] <bob2> Xira: no, just do it
[08:11] <bob2> Xira: just do it and see
[08:12] <topyli> Xira: single user mode is always root
[08:12] <bob2> lewwy: is that even possible?
[08:12] <Xira> okay
[08:12] <Xira> ill go try
[08:12] <rdw200169> ubuntu has rescue mode?
[08:12] <Xira> thanks for helping guys :'(
[08:12] <lewwy> according to http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/#ut2k3_install it is
[08:12] <Xira> brb ..
[08:12] <bob2> it just boots into single-user mode
[08:12] <topyli> Xira: do you know what the file should be like? :)
[08:13] <geneo91> lewwy:  there is an update today for that
[08:13] <lewwy> there is?
[08:13] <lewwy> can you please point me where?
[08:13] <geneo91> yup eject
[08:14] <geneo91> its in todays updates
[08:14] <lewwy> thankyou
[08:14] <lewwy> it works like a charm
[08:14] <geneo91> apt-get install eject
[08:15] <mdmcginn> Newbie question here: As a lowly desktop user, if I have Thunderbird and don't run an email server, do I really need postfix? Or will Thunderbird not work without it?
[08:15] <lewwy> no man
[08:15] <lewwy> no go
[08:15] <lewwy> its still mounted
[08:15] <bob2> mdmcginn: thunderbird doesn't need postfix
[08:16] <lewwy> it wont let me unmount it because of its still busy
[08:16] <geneo91> hmm
[08:16] <lewwy> wait
[08:16] <lewwy> i'm getting the updated one now
[08:17] <lewwy> perhaps some way of forcing an ejection
[08:17] <stazich> hey, to install XFCE, i still need some packages which i cannot find in the Synaptic Package manager... is there a way to get it elsewhere? its name is Disk Based Hashtable : DBH 1.0
[08:17] <Dreamer3> my mom has had the worst time with ubuntu and mounting/unmounting floppies... either the fam daemon will hold the disk busy (even when she hasn't done anything with it forever) or it won't mount becaues "file system isn't recognized" although she's just using the same disk over and over with diff contents...
[08:17] <lewwy> dude, my mom cant even use windows
[08:17] <HrdwrBoB> Dreamer3: honestly, the BEST fix for that is to buy a usb kety
[08:17] <HrdwrBoB> key
[08:17] <XIra> okay..
[08:17] <HrdwrBoB> and remove the disk drive entirely
[08:18] <XIra> i logged into recovery mode
[08:18] <XIra> changed my root pass
[08:18] <Dreamer3> HrdwrBoB: she had a digital cam that uses a floppy
[08:18] <XIra> copied the sudoers file I got to /ETC/
[08:18] <XIra> and rebooted and logged into nicholas
[08:18] <Dreamer3> HrdwrBoB: not an acceptible answer when the floppy worked FINE 100% of the time in windows :)
[08:18] <XIra> but now when i try to sudo -s
[08:18] <XIra> i get
[08:18] <XIra> nicholas@evermore:~$ sudo -s
[08:18] <XIra> >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 11 <<<
[08:18] <XIra> sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 11
[08:18] <mdmcginn> I installed XFCE just by using Synaptic, from universe.
[08:18] <topyli> XIra: can you log in as root?
[08:18] <HrdwrBoB> Dreamer3: in any case fam is replaced by gamin in hoary
[08:19] <XIra> topyli, uh, what do you mean? i can't sudo.. i got root by going into recovery mode
[08:19] <Dreamer3> HrdwrBoB: i'm all about telling someone "you've got a crappy winmodem who's manufacturer doesn't support linux" but "your floppy isn't linux compatible" is a bit much :)
[08:19] <HrdwrBoB> Dreamer3: floppies are ancient technology
[08:19] <HrdwrBoB> they're extremely unreliable
[08:19] <Dreamer3> HrdwrBoB: yes, i know :)
[08:19] <jsgotangco> id rather use flash drives
[08:19] <Dreamer3> HrdwrBoB: but not for my mom
[08:19] <lewwy> hey whoever recommended eject to me, the update still didnt work
[08:19] <topyli> Xira: but you said you changed the root passwd, so you should be able to use su
[08:19] <lewwy> it says device is busy
[08:19] <saber> Does anyone know of a boot disk / cdrom with BackupPC installed? I just lost my system and I need to restore it
[08:19] <Dreamer3> HrdwrBoB: if one quits working, she gets another, she paid a LOT for her camera (many moons ago)
[08:19] <Xira> oh
[08:19] <Xira> topyli, yes
[08:20] <HrdwrBoB> Dreamer3: upgrade to hoary, gamin will fix it
[08:20] <Xira> nicholas@evermore:~$ su
[08:20] <Xira> Password:
[08:20] <Xira> root@evermore:/home/nicholas #
[08:20] <topyli> Xira: then edit the file with visudo, not a regular text editor
[08:20] <Dreamer3> HrdwrBoB: i'll try that after hoary comes out if it works aok on my laptop :)
[08:20] <Xira> root@evermore:/home/nicholas # visudo /etc/sudoers
[08:20] <Xira> usage: visudo [-c]  [-f sudoers]  [-q]  [-s]  [-V] 
[08:20] <Dreamer3> HrdwrBoB: thoguh i'm not sure it'll fix the mounting problem, but for not i added vfat as the filesystem type in /etc/fstab, so that seems to fix the broken auto-detection
[08:20] <lewwy> hey guys, is there a possible way to force eject to eject a CD
[08:21] <topyli> Xira: just visudo, no arguments needed
[08:21] <Xira> ok
[08:21] <Dreamer3> lewwy: not if it's still mounted, need to unmount
[08:21] <Xira> im in the config file
[08:21] <Xira> now what?
[08:21] <lewwy> ok Dreamer3, is there some way to force an unmount apart from -f?
[08:21] <lewwy> i am trying to install ut2k3 and it wont let me unmount because the installer is still using the CD
[08:21] <topyli> if it looks good, just save it. visudo makes some sanity checks to make sure the file's syntax is correct
[08:21] <Dreamer3> lewwy: you can't unmount if the installer is still using the CD
[08:22] <Xira> root@evermore:/etc # visudo
[08:22] <Xira> >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 11 <<<
[08:22] <Xira> What now?
[08:22] <lewwy> Please mount the UT2003 Play Disc CD-Rom
[08:22] <topyli> Xira: so there's the error
[08:22] <Dreamer3> lewwy: i dunno, i don't play games :)
[08:22] <topyli> Xira: what is the line like?
[08:22] <Xira> line 11 ==
[08:22] <Xira>  Defaults        !lecture,tty_tickets,!fqdn
[08:22] <lewwy> im more installing it so i can test out the games performance
[08:22] <mosh1> anyone have trouble with xemacs on latest hoary??
[08:23] <mosh1> ubuntu:~> xemacs
[08:23] <mosh1> Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion
[08:23] <mosh1> Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion
[08:23] <mosh1> Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset
[08:23] <mosh1> on latest hoary...
[08:23] <stazich> hey, does anyone know where i can read a good manual on using APT - Command??
[08:23] <Xira> man apt
[08:23] <lewwy> SCORE
[08:23] <Dreamer3> Xira: your beat me to it
[08:23] <jsgotangco> man apt
[08:23] <topyli> Xira: hmm. just like mine
[08:23] <Dreamer3> lewwy: ?
[08:23] <lewwy> yeh Dreamer3, i got two cd drives
[08:23] <lewwy> so im tryin it this way
[08:24] <lewwy> wish me luck ey
[08:24] <geneo91> stazich:  man apt
[08:24] <Dreamer3> ah! an auto-sizing top panel will fix that burn-in
[08:24] <Xira> topyli, query ?
[08:24] <mosh1> anyone have trouble with xemacs on hoary?
[08:24] <Drews_Blunted> hey
[08:25] <Drews_Blunted> whatsup everyone
[08:25] <topyli> Xira: i see it
[08:25] <Dreamer3> so, how is hoary today? :) good day to upgrade? :)
[08:25] <Dreamer3> i'm going to re-start -d package downloads again tonight :)
[08:25] <topyli> Xira: btw, don't /msg people without asking permission. i don't mind but many people do
[08:25] <mosh1> i get font issues with xemacs in hoary..
[08:25] <Xira> i know
[08:25] <Xira> i'm sorry
[08:25] <Xira> any idea..?
[08:26] <robitaille> Dreamer3,   just updated my hoary; things work fine
[08:26] <topyli> Xira: dunno, the file is identical to mine
[08:26] <Xira> oh boy..
[08:26] <robitaille> mosh1,   don't use xemacs... vi works fine :)
[08:26] <topyli> Xira: perhaps you should reinstall sudo so you can get sane defaults
[08:26] <mosh1> anyone got any ideas with xemacs?
[08:26] <mosh1> robitaille: ;S
[08:26] <Xira> how do I do that
[08:26] <geneo91> dont use it here
[08:26] <anifinder> Hi guys. I'm having a problem with getting the bcmwl5a ndiswrapper drivers to work with hoary.
[08:27] <topyli> Xira: apt-get install --reinstall sudo IIRC
[08:27] <Xira> hey ani, you're not the only one having problems
[08:27] <anifinder> The drivers will load and ndiswrapper will function, but I'm unable to send/recv network traffic.
[08:27] <topyli> Xira: or something like that. i use wajig which is corrupting my apt knowledge :)
[08:27] <Xira> topyli, ok, i reinstalled sudo
[08:28] <Xira> however..
[08:28] <Xira> nicholas@evermore:~$ sudo -s
[08:28] <Xira> >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 11 <<<
[08:28] <Xira> sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 11
[08:28] <Xira> >_<!
[08:28] <topyli> Xira: grrr... perhaps if you apt-get remove --purge sudo, then reinstall, it will get rid of the faulty configuration
[08:29] <anifinder> I'm using a Broadcom BCM4306.
[08:29] <Xira> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[08:29] <Xira>   gdm* gksu* gnome-app-install* gnome-netstatus-applet* gnome-system-tools*
[08:29] <Xira>   sudo* synaptic* ubuntu-base* ubuntu-desktop* update-manager*
[08:29] <Xira>   update-notifier*
[08:29] <Xira> X.X!
[08:29] <geneo91> glad i dont use sudo
[08:29] <Dreamer3> topyli: it sudo supposed to setup that file? sure it isn't in basefiles or something?
[08:29] <topyli> Xira: oh no. let's not do that :)
[08:29] <Dreamer3> topyli: dpkg -L doesn't show it
[08:30] <Xira> sigh
[08:30] <Xira> ubuntu relies on sudo
[08:30] <topyli> Dreamer3: could well be
[08:30] <Xira> i cant open synaptic because sudo is borked
[08:30] <Dreamer3> Xira: or single-user mode
[08:30] <topyli> Xira: yeah, it needs to be fixed
[08:30] <Xira> so what od I do now topyli ?
[08:30] <topyli> Dreamer3: we've been to single user mode already. now we have root working but sudo is still b0rken
[08:30] <robitaille> Xira:  my line in my sudoers that seem to correspond to your line #11 looks like
[08:30] <robitaille> Defaults        !lecture,tty_tickets
[08:31] <Xira> sigh
[08:31] <robitaille> not sure why it is different...
[08:31] <Xira> it doesnt make sense
[08:31] <niran> Xira: were you using visudo to edit the file?
[08:31] <Xira> yes
[08:31] <Xira> not orginally
[08:31] <Xira> orginally i just copied the file to /etc/
[08:31] <Xira> as root
[08:31] <geneo91> ira if you have root passwd just do su then passwd
[08:31] <Dreamer3> who doesn't someone just post a sudoers file somewhere for xira?
[08:31] <Drews_Blunted> hye
[08:32] <Xira> the sudoer file now im using was my friends
[08:32] <Xira> because mine vanished
[08:32] <Drews_Blunted> hey is there anyone here who smokes weed and runs linux
[08:32] <topyli> Dreamer3: xira had a working sudoers file but it's not good enough
[08:32] <Dreamer3> Xira: the real problem isn't ubuntu, it's vanishing sudoer files :)
[08:32] <Dreamer3> topyli: ah
[08:32] <Xira> topyli, so what do I do now?
[08:32] <Drews_Blunted> can i get gnome 10 with warty
[08:33] <topyli> Xira: dunno :(
[08:33] <Xira> ._.
[08:33] <Xira> ok..
[08:33] <Dreamer3> Xira: do you have root access to the box now?
[08:33] <Xira> i can su
[08:33] <geneo91> Xira:  can you login as root
[08:33] <Xira> yes
[08:34] <geneo91> ok use that terminal to run apt
[08:34] <Dreamer3> Xira: all you need is
[08:34] <Dreamer3> root    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[08:34] <Dreamer3> yourusername    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[08:34] <geneo91> forget the sudo though
[08:34] <Xira> in my sudoers file?
[08:34] <Dreamer3> Xira: oh, and that defaults line
[08:34] <woodywarty> How do I install the GnuPG plugin for Sylpheed-Claws
[08:35] <Dreamer3> Defaults        !lecture,tty_tickets
[08:35] <topyli> it's hard to forget sudo when everything on ubuntu uses sudo :)
[08:35] <Xira> so uh
[08:35] <Xira> i just su'd
[08:35] <Xira> Dreamer3,
[08:35] <Dreamer3> Xira: but if your on as root why not just set a root password and be done with it if that's what you more accustomed to?
[08:35] <Xira> now what?
[08:35] <Dreamer3> Xira: just passwd root and set a root password if you can't figure out sudo
[08:35] <Xira> Dreamer3, ubuntu relies on sudo
[08:35] <Xira> I HAVE ROOT
[08:35] <Xira> I CAN SU
[08:36] <Dreamer3> you don't need to yell
[08:36] <unifi> hey does anyone know where the kernel is located?
[08:36] <geneo91> thats all you need then
[08:36] <Xira> er
[08:36] <Xira> caps lock
[08:36] <Xira> sorry
[08:36] <topyli> admit it, you're pissed :)
[08:36] <Xira> wasnt meant as yelling =x
[08:36] <Xira> topyli, i was omre tha pissed earlier.. i just got over it
[08:36] <kkathman> this is very strange...and I may not have hoary down yet...but Im trying to find where opera was installed to get the icons...but when I do a locate *opera*  nothing of the sort comes up, but the application is running fine :)
[08:36] <Xira> im trying to fix it now
[08:37] <synd> kkathman: can you not get the icons online?
[08:37] <woodywarty> How do I install the GnuPG pluging for Sylpheed-Claws ?
[08:37] <synd> kkathman: google is a great tool
[08:37] <geneo91> unhide files in home
[08:37] <Xira> okay
[08:37] <topyli> Xira: it's hard to fix when everything seems to be good
[08:37] <Xira> i guess Dreamer3  is done
[08:37] <kkathman> they are on the system ....or when I loaded it under warty I found them
[08:38] <geneo91> opera should be there with icons
[08:38] <topyli> Xira: i guess it's got something to do with the moon :)
[08:38] <kkathman> geneo91 right
[08:38] <markybob> spell checking isnt working in openoffice.org2 in hoary.  i have myspell-en-us installed.  any idea what could be causing this?
[08:38] <kkathman> synd, when I installed opera under warty, I just did a locate and found the directory
[08:38] <Dreamer3> Xira: http://www.dwgsolutions.com/sudoers - fetch that, that's the extent of my help
[08:39] <Dreamer3> Xira: if you can't put it back together from there, post on the forums
[08:39] <Dreamer3> Xira: of course set the username correctly
[08:39] <unifi> has anyone ever used the spca5xx drivers to install a webcam?
[08:39] <Dreamer3> 9 hours until hoary is downloaded!
[08:40] <Xira> Update
[08:40] <Xira> I took out all the comments and uneccesary spacing
[08:40] <Xira> and now it saved ok
[08:40] <Xira> but when i try to sudo, i still get
[08:40] <nexus-> have anyone got WPA-PSK working?
[08:40] <Xira> root@evermore:/home/nicholas # visudo
[08:40] <Xira> root@evermore:/home/nicholas # exit
[08:40] <Xira> exit
[08:40] <Xira> nicholas@evermore:~$ sudo -s
[08:40] <Xira> Password:
[08:40] <Xira> nicholas is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[08:40] <Dreamer3> Xira: seems like nicholas isn't in the file
[08:40] <topyli> Xira: now that the file is sane, you can use visudo and put nicholas in
[08:41] <Xira> contents of file:
[08:41] <Xira> Defaults        !lecture,tty_tickets,!fqdn
[08:41] <Xira> # User privilege specification
[08:41] <Xira> root    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[08:41] <Xira> # Members of the admin group may gain root privileges
[08:41] <Xira> %admin  ALL=(ALL) ALL
[08:41] <Xira> ok, so i add what to it?
[08:41] <puppet> xira: add for what?
[08:41] <topyli> Xira: nicholas ALL=(ALL) ALL
[08:41] <puppet> hmm why?
[08:41] <markybob> or add nicholas to the admin group
[08:41] <puppet> why not just add nicholas to admin group
[08:41] <puppet> alot better :)
[08:41] <topyli> yes
[08:42] <Xira> so it should look like this:
[08:42] <Xira> Defaults        !lecture,tty_tickets,!fqdn
[08:42] <Xira> # User privilege specification
[08:42] <Xira> root    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[08:42] <Xira> nicholas ALL=(ALL) ALL
[08:42] <Xira> # Members of the admin group may gain root privileges
[08:42] <Xira> %admin  ALL=(ALL) ALL
[08:42] <Xira> ?
[08:42] <kkathman> I also tried a typical whereis opera and it doesnt return anything
[08:42] <topyli> Xira: that's one way
[08:42] <stazich> i am trying to "make install" a certain package - dbh... it dsays permission is denied... should i be running su make install?
[08:42] <puppet> xira www.pastebin.ca is sweet if youre gone paste more then 3 lines :)
[08:42] <Xira> stazich, always
[08:42] <robitaille> kkathman,  which opera
[08:42] <topyli> Xira: or do as puppet says and add yourself to the admin group
[08:42] <Dreamer3> stazich: yes, you'll need to be root... but you should be using package management...  ot checkinstall or something
[08:43] <puppet> xira: admingroup is really the best way
[08:43] <kkathman> robitaille, Opera 7.54 I just downloaded and installed
[08:43] <Xira> stazich, its always: ./configure , make , su , make install
[08:43] <Xira> puppet, how do I do that?
[08:43] <kkathman> robitaille, I did a simple locate on it...no luck...very weird
[08:43] <robitaille> kkathman,   no, the command "which opera" will tell you where the opera binary is
[08:43] <Xira> LIAK OMGEH
[08:43] <Xira> nicholas@evermore:~$ sudo -s
[08:43] <Xira> root@evermore:~#
[08:43] <Xira> !
[08:43] <kkathman> ohh sorry lol
[08:43] <Xira> it doesnt even ask for a pass
[08:44] <kkathman> robitaille, it comes back with nothing
[08:44] <puppet> xira: jed /etc/group
[08:44] <Dreamer3> Xira: it often remembers
[08:44] <kkathman> this is bizarre :)
[08:44] <markybob> xira because you've already put in the password a thousand times and it saves for the sesson
[08:44] <markybob> xira exit that terminal and try again
[08:44] <Xira> I did
[08:44] <Xira> same
[08:44] <closure> hello
[08:45] <Dreamer3> closure: hey
[08:45] <puppet> it is cached in 10 minutes or so
[08:45] <closure> i am trying to upgrade to the kubuntu desktop
[08:45] <puppet> xira: in the group file there is a line admin:x:???:
[08:45] <Dreamer3> closure: bad idea, gnome is the best ;-)
[08:45] <closure> i am getting an error saying it is unavialabl
[08:45] <closure> e
[08:45] <Dreamer3> closure: warty or hoary?
[08:45] <kkathman> robitaille, so how is it that the application is running just fine, but cant be found :)
[08:45] <puppet> xira: add ,nicholas there
[08:45] <stazich> Xira, i do su stazich, then enter the password... then in Make install still gives me error permission denied... what is wrong?
[08:45] <closure> well
[08:45] <robitaille> kkathman,   try a find command:    find / -name "opera" -print
[08:45] <closure> that's the thing
[08:45] <kkathman> ok
[08:45] <closure> i was on efnet #ubuntu
[08:45] <Xira> stazich, nein, just su
[08:46] <Xira> then enter your root pass
[08:46] <closure> and this guy told me to change a few settings
[08:46] <stazich> it says authentication failure
[08:46] <stazich> +)
[08:46] <closure> of "repositories" to hoary
[08:46] <closure> i don't know how much of hoary i have
[08:46] <Xira> stazich, what distro?
[08:46] <stazich> marty
[08:46] <Dreamer3> closure: did you apt-get dist-upgrade?
[08:46] <robitaille> kkathman,  it could take a while and give you a few warnings of directory not accessible.
[08:46] <closure> yeah
[08:46] <Xira> puppet, wherssat?
[08:46] <kkathman> yeah so I noticed
[08:46] <Dreamer3> closure: then you should have hoary, if it completed
[08:46] <puppet> xira: /etc/group
[08:46] <kkathman> I reran under sudo
[08:46] <closure> yeah
[08:46] <closure> it compiled
[08:46] <closure> cool
[08:46] <Dreamer3> closure: if not apt-get dist-upgrade again
[08:47] <stazich> Xira, marty distro
[08:47] <closure> well the desktop background changed
[08:47] <closure> *shrugs*
[08:47] <Dreamer3> closure: not kubuntu i'm not sure... i'm sure there is a how-to sometwhere... prolly a simple apt-get kubuntu-desktop i think
[08:47] <closure> yeah
[08:47] <Dreamer3> closure: you might need a diff repository
[08:47] <closure> i did that
[08:47] <puppet> why do u want kubuntu? ;P
[08:47] <closure> i like kde
[08:47] <Dreamer3> puppet: i know, he's crazy, but i've seen worse
[08:47] <puppet> kde sucks.. :/
[08:48] <mosh1> can someone do me a favor and check to see if xemacs works on latest hoary?   i get some font issues
[08:48] <closure> why so?
[08:48] <puppet> closure: gnome is 10000000000 better
[08:48] <closure> everyone says gnome is slower than kde
[08:48] <geneo91> puppet:  you suck not kde
[08:48] <puppet> it aint
[08:48] <closure> hrm
[08:48] <Dreamer3> closure: gnome 2.8 is faster than kde 3.3... i can't speak for 3.4
[08:48] <Dreamer3> closure: and i'm sure gnome 2.10 is faster than 2.8 :)
[08:48] <closure> kde is on 3.4
[08:48] <puppet> kde have always sucked up memory
[08:48] <topyli> closure: see? not everyone says that :)
[08:49] <puppet> geneo91: good argument, NOT
[08:49] <Dreamer3> closure: i switched to kde 3.3 when gnome was at 2.4, but now i'm happily back to gnome and don't miss it
[08:49] <kkathman> robitaille, well this is so weird..it doesnt seem to be here
[08:49] <mosh1> can someone do me a favor and check to see if xemacs works on latest hoary?   i get some font issues
[08:49] <Wildthing> use vim :D
[08:49] <puppet> use jed ;p
[08:49] <puppet> wildthing: ;D
[08:49] <Dreamer3> closure: try it for a week, you may like it
[08:49] <Dreamer3> closure: what hardware?
[08:49] <kkathman> robitaille, but it went through the install and started up, and I used it for a few minutes
[08:49] <geneo91> puppet:  i was just showing you how stuppid that statement you made was
[08:49] <lucivee> closure: what kind of machine have you got?
[08:49] <puppet> geneo91: not really
[08:50] <closure> it's a gateway 450mhz with 128megs ram
[08:50] <robitaille> kkathman,  so can you run it at all now?  Is there a menu entry for it?
[08:50] <geneo91> yes really
[08:50] <Dreamer3> closure: ouch :)
[08:50] <puppet> closure: dont run X then
[08:50] <Dreamer3> closure: you should try damn small linux :)
[08:50] <geneo91> i think gnome sucks so
[08:50] <closure> lol
[08:50] <Xira> puppet, okie, where is that thing you were talking about
[08:50] <closure> f00k that
[08:50] <Dreamer3> closure: or fluxbox/xfce with ubuntu instead of gnome or KDE
[08:50] <puppet> xira: /etc/group edit that file
[08:50] <puppet> dreamer3: blackbox ;p
[08:50] <Xira> as root?
[08:50] <kkathman> robitaille, nope I dont see it anywhere :)
[08:50] <geneo91> its like butt holes everybody has one
[08:50] <puppet> xira: yes
[08:50] <Dreamer3> puppet: fluxbox
[08:50] <puppet> dreamer3: blackbox! ;D
[08:51] <lucivee> closure: still, it's unlikely one will be significantly faster/slower than the other
[08:51] <Dreamer3> puppet: fluxobx ;-)
[08:51] <puppet> ;o)
[08:51] <lucivee> get some more memory tho :)
[08:51] <Dreamer3> closure: yeah, they both will take till the cows come home to load :)
[08:51] <closure> then what is the difference in them then?
[08:51] <puppet> closure: if its a gateway skip X at all remove att X-libs
[08:51] <lucivee> KDE has more options
[08:51] <puppet> closure: all*
[08:51] <lucivee> Gnome is easier to use
[08:51] <closure> that's what i thought
[08:51] <mosh1> can someone do me a favor and check to see if xemacs works on latest hoary?   i get some font issues
[08:51] <Dreamer3> closure: memory would be a great investment... if not, try black/fluxbox, xfce, or a smaller light-weighter distro :)
[08:51] <robitaille> kkathman,   maybe it was installed in the /tmp directory, ran fine once, but ince terminated, deleted all the temporary directory it was using (a wild guess)
[08:51] <puppet> lucivee: haha
[08:52] <closure> ubuntu runs faster than win98se
[08:52] <closure> that's all i care about
[08:52] <puppet> closure: if you really want X run fluxbox/blackbox
[08:52] <Dreamer3> closure: really?
[08:52] <kkathman> robitaille, possible I guess. I have no idea what to do now lol
[08:52] <Xira> puppet, ohhhhhh, no it asks for a pass, I just forgot I had to close the term
[08:52] <Dreamer3> closure: you must have had a crappy 98 install :)
[08:52] <puppet> closure: icewm if u want it to look like windows
[08:52] <closure> oh god yeah
[08:52] <robitaille> kkathman,  use firefox? :)
[08:52] <Zevin> anyone here have wine installed, willing to give a little help?
[08:52] <Dreamer3> closure: i haven't seen a MODERN linux distro yet outperform 95/98 on old hardware :)
[08:52] <kkathman> robitaille,  well I guess, but its so slow
[08:52] <geneo91> closure:  it also runs faster than xp pro
[08:53] <closure> i'd imagine so
[08:53] <robitaille> kkathman,  use elinks?  :)
[08:53] <lucivee> closure: it really comes down to how many bells and wistles you have running
[08:53] <Dreamer3> closure: by that i mean latest gnome, kde, 2.6 kernel, etc... not DSL linux or similar :)
[08:53] <lucivee> if it's just the WM and a panel, then you should do fine
[08:53] <robitaille> kkathman,   elinks is fast...but a bit challenged graphically
[08:53] <Xira> puppet, http://home.comcast.net/~xira/group.txt
[08:53] <Xira> anyway
[08:53] <Xira> all is well now
[08:53] <Xira> O-o
[08:53] <lucivee> if you have 50 applets running as well, then you are going to struggle
[08:53] <closure> the only major difference i'm noticing is firefox has a lot of lag to it
[08:54] <Dreamer3> kakalto: opera?
[08:54] <Dreamer3> kkathman: opera?
[08:54] <Dreamer3> closure: firefox on linux with 128mb is gonna be SLOW
[08:54] <geneo91> closure:  use mozilla its faster
[08:54] <Dreamer3> i've seen my firefox use 250mb when doing stuff
[08:54] <Dreamer3> geneo91: i don't know about taht :)
[08:54] <Dreamer3> geneo91: you mean with pre-load or what
[08:54] <puppet> xira: admin:x:109:nicholas
[08:54] <Xira> puppet, wha? O.o
[08:54] <closure> get-apt install mozilla?
[08:55] <puppet> xira: that line should look like that
[08:55] <puppet> xira: then that user is in admingroup
[08:55] <Dreamer3> closure: try opera
[08:55] <Dreamer3> closure: if you want something to open quickly
[08:55] <closure> last time i used opera it didn't support shit for plugins
[08:55] <closure> is that still true?
[08:55] <Dreamer3> closure: oh, you want plugins
[08:55] <Xira> puppet, everything works tho
[08:55] <Xira> i can sudo
[08:55] <kkathman> robitaille,  well I found a directory under the download one...lots of opera files
[08:55] <puppet> firefox <3
[08:55] <closure> yeah
[08:55] <Xira> so why change it?
[08:55] <puppet> xira: good :)
[08:55] <Dreamer3> closure: i don't know, i'm a xhtml/css guy
[08:55] <wingsline> bye everyone
[08:55] <kkathman> robitaille,  all protected
[08:56] <Dreamer3> closure: all websites should be accessible... i don't need fancy crap :)
[08:56] <lucivee> o-ububtu-ftpmasters-equivalents, does anyone know why changelogs.ubuntu.com is always so out of date?
[08:56] <Xira> puppet, another question pls?
[08:56] <closure> yah
[08:56] <closure> i don't need it
[08:56] <puppet> xira: sure :)
[08:56] <closure> but i'd like audio video to work
[08:56] <synd> how can i check what video card i have in ubuntu?
[08:56] <Xira> when i did a systemwide apt upgrade for hoary
[08:56] <Xira> my human theme got uglier
[08:56] <saber> Is there much of a performance improvement by having different partitions for / /var... etc?
[08:57] <Xira> and my gnome theme for firefox disapered
[08:57] <HrdwrBoB> saber: no
[08:57] <HrdwrBoB> not as such
[08:57] <Dreamer3> Xira: *laughs* that's the price of progress :)
[08:57] <kkathman> robitaille,  I think thats the prob...everything is write protected
[08:57] <Dreamer3> Xira: re: the human theme, though you might be able to set it back
[08:57] <closure> ubunutu is moving towards kde is what i see
[08:57] <closure> err what it looks like atleast
[08:57] <Dreamer3> Xira: not sure why your firefox themes should have been affected
[08:57] <Dreamer3> closure: *laughs* what makes you say that?
[08:57] <closure> on the wiki section
[08:57] <robitaille> kkathman,  easy to change:   sudo chown -R user.user  directory, where user is your user name and directory that directory where you found your files
[08:58] <synd> how can i check what video card i have in ubuntu?
[08:58] <Dreamer3> closure: truly, try damn small linux for that processor and see what you think :)
[08:58] <closure> it just looks like they are atleast making a release
[08:58] <Xira> Dreamer3, i think because firefox upgraded
[08:58] <kkathman> robitaille,  thanks I'll try that
[08:58] <Dreamer3> closure: kubuntu is a seperate item (though not a fork)
[08:58] <Dreamer3> Xira: true, but unless firefox itself invalidated yoru theme (it may have) it should still work
[08:58] <Dreamer3> Xira: do you still have bookmarks and such?
[08:58] <puppet> xira: i had same error i remove old .mozilla dire i think
[08:59] <Dreamer3> Xira: if so you just need a new theme version i'd say
[08:59] <closure> seriously man it runs fine for the speed
[08:59] <Xira> i dont like the new human theme titlebar glyphs
[08:59] <Xira> they're like clearlooks
[08:59] <Xira> its icky
[08:59] <robitaille> Xira,   the new human theme uses clearlooks...
[08:59] <Xira> Dreamer3, its a fresh install
[08:59] <Xira> so i never had any to begin with
[08:59] <Dreamer3> closure: ok :) i've put ubuntu on two older computers and been VERY displeased... though my p3-900 laptop is quite spiffy
[08:59] <Xira> :P
[08:59] <andrew_nz> heya, im having problems with my cdrom, i/o errors, anyone got any ideas?
[08:59] <Xira> robitaille, figures
[08:59] <Dreamer3> Xira: ah
[08:59] <Xira> what happened to the old one?
[09:00] <Dreamer3> andrew_nz: bad CD, dirty, hardware?
[09:00] <closure> you're saying it had issues on a 900?
[09:00] <synd> Dreamer3: i got warty on a P3 600, 128 MB laptop and it runs great
[09:00] <andrew_nz> Dreamer3: naw, it worked perfectly on debian
[09:00] <Dreamer3> closure: no... it's comfortable on my p3-900...
[09:00] <Dreamer3> andrew_nz: kernel?
[09:00] <closure> what do you do that's so intense?
[09:00] <andrew_nz> Dreamer3: i can rip audio tracks and stuff fine, can mount cds and see their directoryies, but cant read the files or burn cds
[09:00] <closure> i mean this really is fast enough
[09:00] <Dreamer3> closure: nothing that's intense, but i like things to open when i click them :)
[09:01] <Dreamer3> closure: i think i tried it on a celeron 300 w/180mb and it was a drag
[09:01] <closure> oh i'm use to shit taking a second to load on this thing
[09:01] <Dreamer3> closure: not what i'd consider usable in my day to day work :)
[09:01] <andrew_nz> Dreamer: 2.6.8
[09:01] <closure> i just use it for web chat and media
[09:01] <p|> 'ndi
[09:02] <closure> i'm trying to learn how to upgrade some things
[09:02] <Dreamer3> andrew_nz: that's my last guess, hoary has a newer kernel, so does warty backports
[09:02] <synd> if you all didnt use Ubuntu, whatd you use?
[09:02] <synd> what would*
[09:02] <closure> like the media players that came with this things suck
[09:02] <Xira> what happened to the old clearlooks?
[09:02] <Dreamer3> synd: gentoo (once open a time), debian sarge, or dsl (really old stuff)
[09:02] <andrew_nz> Dreamer3: it was strange, the isntaller could read the cd fine, but when i tried to use the packages from the cd later it couldnt read it properly
[09:03] <closure> Dreamer3,  is that a distro release title? (once open a time)
[09:03] <Dreamer3> andrew_nz: no idea
[09:03] <synd> Dreamer3: i hear about gentoo a lot.. is it similar to ubuntu?
[09:03] <Dreamer3> closure: no
[09:03] <Dreamer3> synd: no
[09:03] <Zevin> wtf, why is it so fucking hard to install winetools?
[09:03] <andrew_nz> Dreamer3: k, thanks anyhow
[09:03] <Dreamer3> Zevin: *laughs*
[09:03] <closure> andrew_nz, i've had that problem with old slackware cds but i was installing from boot floppies
[09:03] <Dreamer3> andrew_nz: recent hardware error? :)
[09:04] <Xira> Dreamer3, Another question... on the ubuntu desktops thread I see people have all these offical ubuntu wallpapers
[09:04] <closure> and a cd
[09:04] <Xira> where do I get them?
[09:04] <Zevin> it wants xdialog, that wants libglib, that wants something else
[09:04] <Dreamer3> Xira: apt-cache search calendar
[09:04] <andrew_nz> Dreamer3: im sorry you've lost me lol
[09:04] <Zevin> i've been downloading packages for an hour, and still can't get them all
[09:04] <geneo91> Zevin:  you dont have all the repositories enabled
[09:05] <Dreamer3> damn small linux everything seems to be built against gtk-1.2, i guess for size
[09:05] <Xira> Dreamer3, HUH? O.o
[09:05] <Dreamer3> Zevin: apt-get install winetools?
[09:05] <Dreamer3> Xira: `apt-cache search calendar` just what i said
[09:05] <kkathman> robitaille, that seemed to locate everything.  but now I want to put that on the desktop in Gnome...dont I just use a launcher...right clicking the desktop to do that?
[09:05] <Zevin> geneo91: ok,what repositories do i need?
[09:05] <Xira> flood of text
[09:05] <Xira> OW
[09:05] <andrew_nz> heya, anyone got any ideas bout cdrom reading errors?
[09:05] <andrew_nz> andrew@ubuntu:/cdrom/resources $ cp dayoffire_dayoffire_epk.mov /home/andrew/
[09:05] <Dreamer3> Xira: something calendar i thought
[09:05] <andrew_nz> cp: reading `dayoffire_dayoffire_epk.mov': Input/output error
[09:05] <Zevin> apt-get install winetools, what does that mean?
[09:06] <Zevin> lol
[09:06] <geneo91> go in synaptic and check all the boxes
[09:06] <Dreamer3> Xira: it should be on that list :)
[09:06] <Zevin> god i feel dumb
[09:06] <Xira> er, what should?
[09:06] <Zevin> all?
[09:06] <Dreamer3> Xira: try apt-cache search december
[09:06] <robitaille> kkathman,  yes, that should let you create a launcher.
[09:06] <Dreamer3> Zevin: try it
[09:06] <kkathman> robitaille,  Well I filled all that out, but nothing appeared on the desktop?
[09:07] <Zevin> ok, i'll checkthem all
[09:07] <Xira> Dreamer3, where do the walls install to?
[09:07] <Dreamer3> Zevin: ok, there is only a wine-utils in the repositories... not sure how that compares to winetools
[09:07] <Dreamer3> Xira: /usr/share... somewhere i bet
[09:07] <Dreamer3> Xira: dpkg -L package-name will show you
[09:07] <closure> hrm
[09:07] <robitaille> kkathman,   maybe that doesn't work in Ubuntu.  Usually I had my launchers to the top panel.  On the top panel, right click, select "add to panel", then "add custom laucher"
[09:08] <kkathman> ok
[09:08] <closure> is the "graphical greeter" a part of gnome? where would i look for other themes?
[09:08] <Dreamer3> closure: google "gnome artwork"
[09:09] <puppet> closure: its a setitng
[09:09] <Zevin> i give up
[09:09] <Zevin> i tried the mark all button
[09:09] <Zevin> and it did nothing
[09:09] <geneo91> oh thats not it
[09:09] <Zevin> oh well
[09:09] <Xira> Dreamer3, that installed 1 wallpaper,w here do I get the rest? =o
[09:09] <closure> puppet,  what do you mean?
[09:09] <puppet> closure: the graphical greeter
[09:10] <closure> yes but where do i look for new art for it
[09:10] <Dreamer3> Xira: month by month, or figure out that long list you got earlier, there is a meta package that downloads a new one every month
[09:10] <Zevin> i was hind, but ig uess notgonna put my games on linux and leave xp toatallt be
[09:10] <geneo91> above that in menu theres a drop down menu to repositories
[09:10] <Dreamer3> Xira: i found them very distasteful
[09:10] <puppet> closure: themes.freshmeat.net
[09:10] <Xira> i dont think so
[09:11] <kkathman> robitaille,  Thank worked, and I was able to drag it to the desktop also
[09:12] <woodywarty> Where can I find GnuPG plugin source code for Sylpheed-Claws ?
[09:13] <Zevin> ok, winetools, wants xdialog, which wants libglib1.2, but i have libglib2.0 installed, and 1.2 is not an option. any ideas?
[09:13] <geneo91> try sf net
[09:14] <kkathman> robitaille, Except now the app wont start LOL
[09:14] <Xira> Wow
[09:14] <Xira> I'd like to thank
[09:14] <Xira> Dreamer3
[09:14] <Xira> puppet,
[09:14] <Dreamer3> $ apt-cache search glib1
[09:14] <Dreamer3> libglib1.2 - The GLib library of C routines
[09:14] <Dreamer3> Zevin: what are you using?
[09:14] <Xira> toffy,
[09:14] <Xira> thank you all
[09:14] <Dreamer3> Xira: ?
[09:14] <Xira> for the help
[09:14] <Xira> Now it's time to try to get XMMS to work
[09:14] <Dreamer3> Xira: no prob
[09:15] <Dreamer3> Xira: that shouldn't be hard
[09:15] <julo> hi
[09:15] <Zevin> synaptic says i have libglib2.0 installed
[09:15] <Xira> Dreamer3, whenever I play a song
[09:15] <Xira> It locks up
[09:15] <Dreamer3> Xira: what does?
[09:15] <roo_> Xira, what output plugin are u using for xmms?
[09:15] <geneo91> Xira:  maybe open it in terminal and see what it says
[09:16] <topyli> Xira: just fix it differently than last time :)
[09:16] <julo> I have a problem with my cursor theme: if i choose "human" using gcursor, I get a great cursor theme for my user. But How can I change the cursor theme used in GDM too ?
[09:16] <roo_> Xira, open xmms, and goto preferences.
[09:16] <Dreamer3> Zevin: is there no repository for this program you want?
[09:16] <Dreamer3> Zevin: that's what i used the command line tools, easier : )
[09:16] <Dreamer3> Zevin: apt-get install libglib-1.2
[09:17] <Dreamer3> Zevin: though if you're building you'll probably need the -dev packages as well
[09:17] <closure> puppet i don't see a gnome tab
[09:17] <closure> is gnome the same as GTK?
[09:17] <Xira> This is weird
[09:17] <puppet> closure: search for gdm
[09:17] <Xira> roo_, xmms isnt launching under my regular user
[09:17] <Xira> but launches under root
[09:17] <kzm> closure: no - GTK is the Gimp Toolkit, which is used by Gnome
[09:17] <roo_> Xira, o_O
[09:17] <kzm> closure: (Or at least, that's how it was when I last looked - some years ago)
[09:18] <Xira> any idea?
[09:18] <roo_> Xira, using Warty or Hoary?
[09:18] <Xira> hoary
[09:18] <roo_> Xira, usng gnome?
[09:18] <Xira> yep
[09:18] <roo_> Xira, open up a terminal. should give you xira@localhost or something
[09:18] <Dreamer3> Xira: weird
[09:18] <roo_> Xira, right?
[09:19] <Xira> roo_, yes, nicholas@evermore
[09:19] <Dreamer3> Xira: you're prolly logged in as root
[09:19] <kzm> anybody upgraded from warty to the hoary prerelease?
[09:19] <roo_> Xira, ok type "xmms"
[09:19] <Dreamer3> hmmm
[09:19] <Xira> negative
[09:19] <Dreamer3> weird
[09:19] <kzm> Any bad experiences?
[09:19] <Xira> nicholas@evermore:~/.xmms$ xmms
[09:19] <Xira> nicholas@evermore:~/.xmms$
[09:19] <Dreamer3> kzm: i'm working on it
[09:19] <closure> ;p;
[09:19] <closure> err lol
[09:19] <closure> harry potter is the very first
[09:19] <Dreamer3> Xira: how do you know it's running as root?
[09:19] <roo_> Xira, you dont need to be in ~/.xmms to run it.
[09:19] <kzm> dreamer3, hmm...so does that mean I should wait? :-)
[09:19] <Xira> Dreamer3, because it runs when i sudo and run it
[09:20] <kzm> (i.e. any particular problems?)
[09:20] <Xira> roo_, i'm aware i was checking the config file
[09:20] <Dreamer3> kzm: *shrugs*  someone earlier said it worked fine
[09:20] <closure> so these login screens are called GDM?
[09:20] <roo_> Xira, what happens if you run as user?
[09:20] <closure> or when i install this will my desktop look different as well?
[09:20] <Dreamer3> closure: yes
[09:20] <Xira> roo, my paste
[09:20] <kzm> Yeah, "somebody" said that a couple of months ago, but it broke a lot of stuff, so I downgraded again.
[09:20] <Xira> nicholas@evermore:~/.xmms$ xmms
[09:20] <Xira> nicholas@evermore:~/.xmms$
[09:20] <desrt> quoth the raven, n
[09:20] <Dreamer3> Zevin: ?
[09:20] <closure> Dreamer3,  my desktop will look different?
[09:20] <Zevin> what?
[09:21] <Dreamer3> Zevin: did youw ant to ask in channel, i suually don't do pm
[09:21] <Zevin> i put in the apt-get
[09:21] <hayden> what u guys trying to do
[09:21] <Dreamer3> Zevin: in channel the posibility of helping others always exists
[09:21] <Dreamer3> hayden: nothing :)
[09:21] <Zevin> and it gave me a bunch of garbage that means "screw you" in linux talk
[09:21] <Flonne> xmms isn't already running, is it, Xira? (pidof xmms)
[09:21] <hayden> ok
[09:21] <Dreamer3> hayden: *hides the kubuntu CD he was about to microwave behind his back*
[09:21] <Zevin> lol
[09:21] <roo_> Xira, have you tried "killall xmms"
[09:21] <Zevin> linux hates me
[09:22] <Dreamer3> Zevin: well, what was it?
[09:22] <Zevin> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:22] <Zevin> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[09:22] <Xira> that was it
[09:22] <Xira> ok
[09:22] <Xira> It runs under my user
[09:22] <Xira> but sound doesnt work
[09:22] <roo_> Xira, ok goto Preferences in xmms
[09:22] <Dreamer3> Zevin: you can't have any other programs open that use the packages database...
[09:22] <Flonne> Is [K|S] ynaptic open, Zevin?
[09:22] <Xira> k
[09:22] <Xira> now?
[09:22] <hayden> Dreamer3: lol
[09:22] <roo_> Xira, what does output plugin say?
[09:22] <Dreamer3> Zevin: ie, you should close your synaptic... and you'll have to run that as root... so sudo it
[09:22] <hayden> Dreamer3: its not that bad is it
[09:22] <Xira> OSS DRiver 1.2.10
[09:23] <Xira> libOSS.So
[09:23] <roo_> Xira, change to alsa and try that.
[09:23] <Zevin> ahh, ok, closing synaptic, and am logged in as root, lets try it again
[09:23] <Dreamer3> hayden: oh i dunno, i'm just a gnome die-hard :)
[09:23] <hayden> Dreamer3: yea
[09:24] <Zevin> Reading Package Lists... Done
[09:24] <Zevin> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[09:24] <Zevin> E: Couldn't find package libglib-1.2
[09:24] <Xira> ok, roo_ now when it ry to play a song it says please check that your sound card is configed properly, you have the correct output plugin selected, no other program is blocking hte soundcard
[09:24] <roo_> Xira, does sound work in anything else?
[09:24] <Xira> yes
[09:24] <Xira> everything else
[09:24] <Xira> `-`
[09:24] <synd> Zevin: do you have all your repositories?
[09:24] <Zevin>  xdialog: Depends: libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0) but it is not installable
[09:24] <Zevin>            Depends: libgtk1.2 (>= 1.2.10-4) but it is not installable
[09:24] <Zevin> E: Broken packages
[09:24] <Zevin> i don't know.
[09:25] <Dreamer3> Zevin: no, you don't... have you uncommented our universe?
[09:25] <roo_> Xira, ok thats a good thing. Try "eSound" output driver for xmms.
[09:25] <Dreamer3> Zevin: in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:25] <Xira> YAY
[09:25] <Xira> that works
[09:25] <roo_> Xira, :)
[09:25] <Xira> :D
[09:25] <Xira> Now Ubuntu is working fine
[09:25] <Xira> EVERYTHING works
[09:25] <Xira> ^_^
[09:25] <roo_> :D
[09:25] <Dreamer3> Xira: hehehe, give it a few minutes
[09:25] <Dreamer3> *laughs*
[09:25] <Xira> SHush!
[09:25] <Xira> :P
[09:26] <roo_> Xira, killall is useful, remember that one. killall <processname>
[09:26] <Dreamer3> Xira: you on warty or hoary?
[09:26] <geneo91> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:26] <Zevin> sources.list gives me # deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[09:26] <Zevin> # deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[09:26] <synd> should I get the security repositories?
[09:26] <Xira> Dreamer3, hoary
[09:26] <Dreamer3> Xira: you like?
[09:26] <Xira> yes
[09:26] <Xira> its sexy
[09:26] <hayden> lol
[09:26] <Xira> default gnome setup is so much better than fc3
[09:26] <Xira> brown is the new blue baby
[09:26] <Dreamer3> Zevin: uncomment those
[09:27] <Flonne> Brown is better than blue.
[09:27] <Zevin> hmm?
[09:27] <Xira> I like the human theme
[09:27] <Xira> Well
[09:27] <Xira> I liked the one before I updated better
[09:27] <roo_> any fvwm users here btw?
[09:27] <Flonne> I'm an fvwm user, but I've yet to set it up under Ubuntu.
[09:28] <Dreamer3> Xira: what is clearlooks?
[09:28] <Dreamer3> screenshot anyone?
[09:28] <Zevin> synaptic says 13680 packages listed, 880 installed
[09:28] <synd> Dreamer3: google 'tubgirl'
[09:28] <Xira> Dreamer3, its a Gnome theme the latest Human theme is based on
[09:29] <nexus-> anyone can help out with WPA-PSK? :\
[09:29] <synd> Dreamer3: im kidding
[09:29] <roo_> Flonne, cool :) got a screenie of ur setup?
[09:29] <Dreamer3> subterrific: oh
[09:29] <Dreamer3> synd: oh
[09:29] <Xira> anyone know a xmms theme that matches the human theme?
[09:29] <Dreamer3> Xira: ah... so i should type in cleanlooks :)
[09:29] <Dreamer3> *clearlook
[09:29] <closure> where are the themes that are already on gnome stored?
[09:30] <Dreamer3> is clearlooks the gnome 2.10 default or something?
[09:30] <Flonne> Only if you dont mind it having Openbox elements and a Gnome panel...
[09:30] <Flonne> I wasn't satisfied with just one environment. :)
[09:30] <roo_> Flonne, who is? :)
[09:31] <geneo91> try rox
[09:31] <Xira> Anyone know any other good Ubuntu branded wallpapers?
[09:31] <Flonne> Windows users, but only 'cause they don't know any better.
[09:32] <geneo91> who uses such silly things as wallpaper
[09:32] <Dreamer3> oh wow, i think i like clear looks :)
 who uses such silly things as wallpaper
[09:33] <closure> are you serious?
[09:33] <geneo91> yes i am
[09:34] <geneo91> it doesn't add to preformance
[09:34] <Zevin> yay
[09:34] <speedy2782> what is a very...very user friendly...like a doorknob and myself have roughly the same computer skills... to make webpages
[09:34] <Xira> Dreamer3, have you done an entire system update lately?
[09:34] <Zevin> i think i got it
[09:34] <Xira> if so, human should've already updated to clearlooks
[09:34] <mebaran151> I chose the gimp print driver for my R800 epson
[09:35] <mebaran151> but all it does is feed the paper through
[09:35] <Zevin> my repositories where pointing to the cd, not the web
[09:35] <Borg^Queen> Hello people
[09:35] <speedy2782> hello
[09:35] <mebaran151> any ideas what is going wrong
[09:35] <closure> geneo91, i like having a slick looking desktop
[09:35] <Dreamer3> Xira: no, i run warty
[09:35] <closure> it enhances my computing experience
[09:35] <speedy2782> what theme are you using?
[09:35] <roo_> My latest FVWM screenshot: http://migrantroo.com/roo-fvwm-latest.png
[09:35] <Xira> oic
[09:36] <Borg^Queen> I'm in a "quest" as one person put it for a distro.
[09:36] <Xira> What's the command to install all the Kubuntu components on Ubuntu again?
[09:36] <Xira> its an apt-get install
[09:36] <Xira> forget the package name
[09:36] <lewwy> hey guys
[09:36] <Xira> hi!
[09:36] <Flonne> It's on the Kubuntu documentation page.
[09:36] <lewwy> can someone please send me their libXrender.so file?
[09:36] <scizzo> geneo91: its good that everyone is different
[09:36] <Borg^Queen> Now thing is going to sound really stupid but I want a distro not only with stability but with a good heart. Does that make any sense?
[09:36] <Dreamer3> Xira: kubuntu-desktop, but don't do it ;-)
[09:36] <lewwy> preferably someone that has wine up and running on their computer
[09:36] <Xira> Dreamer3, why not?
[09:36] <roo_> hey lewwy
[09:36] <Xira> Dreamer3, I haven't used KDE in a year
[09:36] <speedy2782> what is a good web browser
[09:37] <scizzo> geneo91:  maybe you don't like icons either?
[09:37] <roo_> speedy2782, mozilla-firefox
[09:37] <geneo91> nope
[09:37] <Dreamer3> Borg^Queen: well, since this is the #unbuntu channel... i'd suggest... um... let me think... lets see... Fedora? *laughs*
[09:37] <Flonne> elinks.
[09:37] <speedy2782> by web browser...I meant webpage developer
[09:37] <Dreamer3> speedy2782: firefox
[09:37] <Dreamer3> speedy2782: opera
[09:37] <Dreamer3> speedy2782: mozilla
[09:37] <scizzo> geneo91: using TWM?
[09:37] <lucivee> speedy2782: epiphany
[09:37] <Xira> Dreamer3, why not install kubuntu-desktop?
[09:37] <closure> how do i change to xmss?
[09:37] <Dreamer3> speedy2782: dillo ;-)
[09:37] <Borg^Queen> Dreamer3: pardon?
[09:37] <roo_> speedy2782, gvim ;)
[09:37] <Dreamer3> Xira: just cause it's KDE ;-)
[09:37] <geneo91> nope kde
[09:37] <lucivee> speedy2782: emacs
[09:37] <Xira> lmao
[09:37] <lewwy> wine fails on my computer with the error that client side web browsing because of a buggy libXrender.so.  So im asking could someone please send me their libXrender.so file, preferably someone that has wine installed
[09:37] <Xira> 310mb for kubuntu-desktop
[09:38] <Xira> bah
[09:38] <Xira> maybe later
[09:38] <speedy2782> SO, are all of those real programs? :-P
[09:38] <Flonne> You use KDE and you don't use wallpapers?
[09:38] <Dreamer3> Borg^Queen: distros don't have hearts or souls regardless of their cool african names, sorry
[09:38] <Dreamer3> Solatis: yeah
[09:38] <Borg^Queen> And apparently niether do you.
[09:38] <Borg^Queen> I was speaking of its community.
[09:38] <geneo91> i sure dont
[09:38] <Dreamer3> whatever happened to... used to be the gnome default browser...?
[09:38] <Borg^Queen> Nautilus
[09:38] <niran> galeon
[09:38] <borgista> Epiphany?
[09:38] <lewwy> so anybody can help me?
[09:38] <Dreamer3> Borg^Queen: *laughs* unbuntu and gentoo communities are great :)
[09:39] <Borg^Queen> lewwy: what is it?
[09:39] <Dreamer3> *ubuntu
[09:39] <lewwy> look up ^^
[09:39] <lewwy> lewwy: wine fails on my computer with the error that client side web browsing because of a buggy libXrender.so.  So im asking could someone please send me their libXrender.so file, preferably someone that has wine installed
[09:39] <Xira> So
[09:39] <scizzo> Dreamer3: the best browser today is actually firefox
[09:39] <Dreamer3> i mean web browser... before epiphany took oever, whatever happened to it
[09:39] <speedy2782> what is a good webpage builder?
[09:39] <niran> it's still in universe
[09:39] <niran> galeon
[09:39] <scizzo> Dreamer3: it changed name to epiphany
[09:39] <Xira> I just migrated from Fedora Core 3 guys, now a full fledged member of the Ubuntu community
[09:39] <Flonne> That dpends on what you need from it, speedy2782.
[09:39] <roo_> speedy2782, are u looking for something like dreamweaver? if so, try nvu.
[09:39] <lewwy> Dreamer3: can you help me?
[09:39] <Xira> what are some cool things of ubuntu vs fedora core 3?
[09:39] <niran> scizzo: it didn't change names, the project forked
[09:39] <Dreamer3> speedy2782: gedit, scite, vim :)
[09:40] <scizzo> Dreamer3: they put galeon down and started to code on the new project epiphany
[09:40] <Dreamer3> lewwy: with?
[09:40] <lucivee> borgista: yeah, it wrocks
[09:40] <lewwy> with my wine problem
[09:40] <Dreamer3> scizzo: epiphany is not galeon :)
[09:40] <Borg^Queen> Xira: What are they?
[09:40] <lewwy> lewwy: wine fails on my computer with the error that client side web browsing because of a buggy libXrender.so.  So im asking could someone please send me their libXrender.so file, preferably someone that has wine installed
[09:40] <speedy2782> Rooooooo_ is nvu hard to use
[09:40] <Xira> Borg^Queen, ?
[09:40] <Flonne> I'm partial to Bluefish.
[09:40] <Flonne> No, Nvu is not hard to use.
[09:40] <roo_> speedy2782, no. but its not in ubuntu repos, ive just check :/
[09:40] <Flonne> There's an entry for it in the Wiki, roo_.
[09:40] <Dreamer3> lewwy: interesting, we'd have the same library you would, how would that help?
[09:40] <lewwy> well...
[09:40] <lewwy> do you have wine setup and working?
[09:41] <speedy2782> roooooooooooooooooooooooooo_ what do i have to do to get it
[09:41] <scizzo> Dreamer3: true...
[09:41] <lucivee> n4cht: been to the crown lately?
[09:41] <Xira> Wow
[09:41] <Xira> apt-get is so much faster than yu
[09:41] <scizzo> Dreamer3: well not interested in epiphany or galeon...just firefox
[09:41] <Xira> yum
[09:41] <n4cht> crown?
[09:41] <Xira> :)
[09:41] <Dreamer3> lewwy: no, i don't use wine :)
[09:41] <lewwy> does anyone here have wine setup and working?
[09:41] <scizzo> :)
[09:41] <speedy2782> I am looking for something that is like frontpage...easy to build a webpage for someone who has no html experience
[09:41] <lucivee> n4cht: ... and anchor? Or have I got you mixed up with someone else
[09:41] <lewwy> Dreamer3: can you suggest where to download that so file from? I dont have CVS or anything like that
[09:42] <Burgundavia> speedy2782: nvu
[09:42] <Zevin> dreaner3 and geneo91, thanks for your help!!!!!!!
[09:42] <andrew> hey all
[09:42] <n4cht> lucivee, i do believe you've confused me with someone else.  ;)
[09:42] <speedy2782> how do you find nvu, and then install it
[09:42] <Zevin> *dreamer3
[09:42] <andrew> how do i get avis to play?
[09:42] <lucivee> n4cht: heh, NP
[09:42] <speedy2782> I think you need totem to play
[09:42] <scizzo> geneo91: try vTWM out if you don't like graphics... :)
[09:42] <Dreamer3> i gnome-look down?  i want this clearlooks stuff now!
[09:42] <speedy2782> .avi
[09:43] <Dreamer3> lewwy: it's part of your system, you don't just get a new one
[09:43] <lewwy> Dreamer3: do you know somewhere i can get a updated version of libXrender.so?
[09:43] <lewwy> but...someone did
[09:43] <geneo91> ahh i like fluxbox
[09:43] <andrew> totem gives me an error
[09:43] <mebaran151> Anyone here running an Epson printer
[09:43] <speedy2782> mplayer
[09:43] <mebaran151> mplayer rocks
[09:43] <andrew> can i apt-get it
[09:43] <andrew> ?
[09:43] <speedy2782> did you install all of the codexs into totem?
[09:43] <stu> in fstab, can I specify that the mount should be accessible and writable by anyone - file system is ext2
[09:43] <borgista> yes you can
[09:43] <andrew> not sure...
[09:43] <scizzo> andrew: what kind of error?
[09:44] <borgista> It just might not be installed
[09:44] <Dreamer3> darn
[09:44] <scizzo> andrew: what exactly are you trying to do?
[09:44] <Dreamer3> no clearlooks with warty, at least not unless i get it elsewhere
[09:44] <lewwy> Dreamer3: do you want to suggest a way i can possibly fix this error?
[09:44] <Dreamer3> lewwy: no idea
[09:44] <Flonne> user,umask=000,rw (some of those may be redundant), stu.
[09:44] <andrew> failed to open reason uknown
[09:44] <stu> ta
[09:44] <Dreamer3> lewwy: i used the wine from backports with warty just fine...
[09:44] <Dreamer3> lewwy: once upon a time
[09:45] <stu> er by user do you mean users
[09:45] <Flonne> Nope.
[09:45] <scizzo> andrew: restrictedformat?
[09:45] <lewwy> Dreamer3: backports?
[09:45] <lewwy> older versions?
[09:45] <scizzo> andrew: read the wiki about restrictedformats?
[09:45] <andrew> ?? restricted format?
[09:45] <Dreamer3> lewwy: yeah, search the forums... newer versions... if your'e using warty
[09:45] <lewwy> nup
[09:45] <lewwy> hoary
[09:45] <Flonne> Though Ext2 supports permissions, so you may have to do a little bit of configuration there.
[09:45] <andrew> scizzo: never saw anything that said taht
[09:45] <lewwy> cd's with new versions arriving in about 2 months
[09:45] <Dreamer3> lewwy: no idea then, wine might just be broken
[09:46] <puppet> < just installed wine fine
[09:46] <lewwy> WHAT
[09:46] <lewwy> puppet: you on warty or hoary
[09:46] <scizzo> andrew: first install totem-zine
[09:46] <scizzo> andrew: first install totem-xine
[09:46] <puppet> lewwy: latest
[09:46] <mebaran151> my eposn just keeps pushing paper
[09:46] <scizzo> andrew: thats a good start
[09:46] <mebaran151> no ink on page
[09:46] <lewwy> puppet: eh?
[09:46] <mebaran151> just feedng paper
[09:46] <puppet> i dont know ;D
[09:46] <Dreamer3> lewwy: just buy wine from that one company if you REALLY want it to work
[09:46] <andrew> where do i get totem-xine?
[09:46] <lewwy> puppet:  buy...wine
[09:46] <lewwy> isnt wine free?
[09:47] <lewwy> sorry puppet not directed at u
[09:47] <Dreamer3> can anyone get to gnome-look.org?
[09:47] <borgista> andrew, i'd use synaptic
[09:47] <borgista> i haven't been able to Dreamer3
[09:47] <stu> Flonne, I dont think its possible to use the umask=000 uless the file system is ntfs/vfat - it throws up file system errors when I add that line
[09:47] <borgista> kde-look.org is also donw
[09:47] <Dreamer3> lewwy: the supported work-much-better-all-the-time-cause-you-paid-for-it verison isnt'
[09:47] <puppet> im running hoary
[09:47] <puppet> lewwy: hoary
[09:47] <scizzo> andrew: and then read: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:47] <lewwy> puppet:  what did you do to get it working?
[09:48] <lewwy> nah gnome-look is down
[09:48] <puppet> lewwy: wine packages
[09:48] <Dreamer3> lewwy: i want this clearlooks theme
[09:48] <puppet> apt-get isntall wine wine-bin wine-tools wine-some other
[09:48] <scizzo> andrew: the reason that things have changed on the site I guess is that hoary will be out soon and things needs updating
[09:48] <puppet> lewwy: i just started the package handler and searched
[09:48] <lewwy> package handler?
[09:48] <lewwy> apt-get
[09:48] <lewwy> ?
[09:49] <puppet> synaptic package handler
[09:49] <puppet> mananger*
[09:49] <lewwy> oh yep
[09:49] <lewwy> yeh i got wine
[09:49] <puppet> just earch for wine
[09:49] <lewwy> i've also got winetools
[09:49] <lewwy> but thats it
[09:49] <puppet> install rest of wine then
[09:49] <geneo91> bunch of wineos here
[09:50] <borgista> hehehe geneo91
[09:50] <Dreamer3> anyone use prelink here?
[09:50] <lewwy> stop wineing!
[09:50] <XIra> Er, who was I just talking to?
[09:50] <XIra> I'm horrible with names
[09:51] <XIra> :x
[09:51] <geneo91> why i the hell would anyone want to use wincrap in linux is beyond me
[09:51] <puppet> geneo91: some programs just exist in windows
[09:52] <lewwy> yeh
[09:52] <roo_> geneo91, i hear u.
[09:52] <lewwy> argh
[09:52] <Xira> Who was the person I was just speaking to in query?
[09:52] <Xira> About ubuntu?
[09:52] <Xira> lol
[09:52] <lewwy> *searches madly for UT2003 cd1*
[09:52] <roo_> lewwy, aah, gamer. fair enough.
[09:52] <Xira> lewwy, save yourself sometime and get ut04 :)
[09:52] <geneo91> like what that you get with install of xp
[09:52] <borgista> me?
[09:52] <Xira> yes!
[09:52] <lewwy> nah its too bi... oh wait no.. it costs too much *shifty eyes*
[09:53] <lewwy> yeh but...
[09:53] <lewwy> no d3d support
[09:53] <lewwy> i mean
[09:53] <andrew> arghh... ok so where do i get totem-xine??
[09:53] <lewwy> pretty much nothing
[09:53] <lewwy> apt-get
[09:53] <lewwy> synaptic
[09:53] <lewwy> andrew: synaptic i think
[09:53] <andrew> i checked and its not there
[09:53] <lewwy> you've added more repositries?
[09:54] <andrew> from where do i add repositorys?
[09:54] <puppet> why not install that gaming in linux thing?
[09:54] <geneo91> andrew:  type it in terminal
[09:54] <lewwy> ahhh
[09:54] <roo_> im off for a bit, bye all :)
[09:54] <lewwy> andrew, goto #flood to see all my repositries
[09:54] <geneo91> sudo synaptic
[09:54] <andrew> k
[09:54] <Dreamer3> anyone here prelink, or no you think ubuntu doesn't need it?
[09:55] <Flonne> prelink?
[09:55] <Dreamer3> Flonne: if you don't know what it is, don't worry about it :)
[09:56] <lewwy> argh
[09:56] <andrew> can someone #flood their repositries?
[09:56] <lewwy> wheres the repositry file?
[09:56] <Flonne> /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:56] <lewwy> yeh
[09:56] <lewwy> just found it too lol
[09:56] <lewwy> go back to flood andrew
[09:56] <geneo91> join/ #flood
[09:57] <terry97> is anyone having problems when they minimize a window??
[09:58] <Flonne> Can you be more specific, terry97?
[09:58] <andrew> how can flood boot you for flooding???
[09:58] <terry97> Flonne: everytime I minimize it just disappears and I cant get it back up
[09:59] <geneo91> must be warty
[10:00] <danny666> hi
[10:00] <Flonne> Do other apps show up in your window list (that bar where things should be displayed)?
[10:00] <terry97> ??
[10:01] <terry97> yes unless I minimize
[10:01] <andrew> ohh dang i got warty guys...
[10:01] <Flonne> What applications have you tried minimizing?
[10:02] <terry97> terminal and firefox
[10:02] <danny666> is win32codecs out for ubuntu or do i have to install it over the  tar.bz2
[10:02] <bur[n] er> w32codecs
[10:02] <geneo91> Flonne:  mine was that way till i updated
[10:02] <andrew> does anyone have extended repositries for warty?
[10:02] <bur[n] er> check wiki for restrictedFormats
[10:03] <moogman> terry97:  Do you have a panel bar at the bottom of your screen? Does Alt+Tab do anything?
[10:03] <mjr> danny666, you can get it from the marillat repository, see bur[n] er
[10:03] <terry97> ho on Ill check
[10:03] <bur[n] er> http://ubuntulinux.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:03] <terry97> that worked man am I stupid or what thanks alot
[10:04] <moogman> terry97: ?
[10:04] <andrew> again.... does anyone have extended repositries for warty?
[10:04] <moogman> terry97: Normally, there is a panel bar at the bottom as with Windows
[10:04] <terry97> yes alt+tab brought up the minimized widows
[10:04] <bur[n] er> andrew: http://ubuntulinux.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:04] <moogman> terry97: And you can select them from there. Maybe yours has been deleted?
[10:04] <terry97> I think I need to add that feature to it
[10:04] <saber> Why is that some ubuntu packages are not installable? But I can download them online.
[10:05] <n4cht> i have officially made hoary look viciously sexy.  http://wretched.ws/einstein.png
[10:05] <moogman> terry97: Right-click on your top gnome bar and click "New Panel"
[10:05] <moogman> terry97: Then you can "drag" it down to the bottom of your screen
[10:05] <terry97> Thanks moogman an Flonne
[10:05] <moogman> terry97: From there, you want to right-click it and click "Add to panel"
[10:05] <bur[n] er> bleh... that's an ugly fluxbox theme ;)
[10:06] <terry97> ok
[10:06] <bur[n] er> er... maybe just the gtk theme within flux
[10:07] <n4cht> bur[n] er, it's the gtk theme within flux.  i dunno how to force it to use my gtk themes from gnome for gtk apps.
[10:07] <bur[n] er> http://burner.ath.cx/Screenshot.png <--that's a good lookin ubuntu ;)
[10:07] <moogman> terry97: Select "Window List". Press OK. Do the same for "Workspace switcher" and "Wastebasket"
[10:07] <bur[n] er> n4cht: run "switch2"
[10:07] <terry97> ok
[10:07] <johnnybezak> n4cht: do you want your gnome themes to work when you run flux for widgets etc. ?
[10:08] <n4cht> johnnybezak, yes.
[10:08] <n4cht> gonna try gtk-theme-switch like bur[n] er suggested.
[10:08] <johnnybezak> add gnome-settings-daemon to your .xsession file
[10:08] <terry97> oky doky it's done man why didn't I think of that
[10:09] <bur[n] er> i'm tellin ya n4cht, gtk-theme-switch will do it ;)
[10:09] <johnnybezak> n4cht: that sets up your gnome environment when you start flux
[10:09] <johnnybezak> n4cht: that way you can change your desktop background themes etc. with the normal gnome tools
[10:09] <n4cht> bur[n] er, it did indeed.  frickin beautiful.
[10:10] <andrew> hey, i tried to install mplayer and got this, check flood
[10:10] <andrew> i think i done broke it
[10:11] <n4cht> johnnybezak, imma try that.
[10:11] <johnnybezak> n4cht: its what i do (i run flux as well)
[10:11] <n4cht> my .xsessions file was empty, but i added it.  imma restart x and see what happens.  :)
[10:11] <andrew> hello?
[10:12] <andrew> !botsnack
[10:12] <bur[n] er> johnnybezak: what else does gnome-settings-daemon do?
[10:12] <bur[n] er> gnome-vfs stuff?
[10:12] <andrew> hey did you guys check flood?
[10:13] <johnnybezak> bur[n] er: not sure, just engages all of your gnome settings i suppose
[10:13] <johnnybezak> i dont know much about the gnome-vfs stuff
[10:13] <e_machinist> hmm, what would you guys say would be the minimum system requirements for Ubuntu?
[10:14] <stu> anyone here got a ATI Radeon card, all the graphical effects (screen saver, music animations etc) are really slow - am I missing the correct drivers? I get 24bit colour
[10:14] <geneo93> 586 128 mb of ram
[10:14] <andrew> same here
[10:14] <e_machinist> 586mhz?
[10:14] <bur[n] er> stu: i use the 'radeon' driver
[10:14] <moogman> I installed it on a 700MHz Duron with a 2.1Gb hard disk the other da, if that helps e_machinist?
[10:14] <johnnybezak> anyone got hula installed
[10:14] <geneo93> pentium
[10:14] <bur[n] er> no hula for me
[10:15] <johnnybezak> stu: nah you need to install their binary drivers
[10:15] <e_machinist> My friend (Randy) has an Athlon XP 1800+ 1.533GHz, 512mb ram, 80GB 7200RPM, Radeon 9200 AGP4x 128mb... he wants to know if that should run it smoothly.
[10:15] <stu> ok ill have a look
[10:15] <geneo93> e_machinist:  yes
[10:15] <johnnybezak> e_machinist: no worries at all
[10:15] <Dreamer3> e_machinist: no way that will be fast enough *laughs*
[10:15] <johnnybezak> stu: good luck :P
[10:16] <Xira> where does gdesklets store its widgets?
[10:16] <Xira> im trying to install one
[10:16] <bur[n] er> where do you get ati binary drivers?
[10:16] <e_machinist> Ok, *telling randy*. Ok, thanks, you guys have helped me convince him to swithc over to Ubuntu.
[10:16] <e_machinist> haha.
[10:16] <Xira> bur[n] er, ati.com
[10:16] <johnnybezak> e_machinist: he didn't seem to need a lot of convincing
[10:16] <moogman> e_machinist: As a rough rule, Linux seems to perform better (dare I say) on lower specced machines than Windows. Suffice to say, it will work very nice with better specs
[10:17] <n4cht> alright, so, the gnome-settings-daemon thing didn't work out...
[10:17] <n4cht> however, switch2 is awesome.
[10:17] <johnnybezak> n4cht: what happened? (you have to restart flux of course)
[10:17] <n4cht> now if i could just force fluxbox to use my gtk window decs, it's be perfect.
[10:17] <bur[n] er> apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[10:17] <n4cht> johnnybezak, i restarted X completely, and nothing happened.
[10:17] <johnnybezak> n4cht: thats what the gnome settings daemon does
[10:18] <e_machinist> Well, he didn't need to much convincing cause I have never (yet! haha) steered him wrong.
[10:18] <e_machinist> But he just needed to know from a few other peeps that it would run smooth.
[10:18] <johnnybezak> n4cht what have you got in your .xsession file
[10:18] <e_machinist> I told him with hardware like that he had nothing to worry about.
[10:18] <n4cht> nothing but 'gnome-settings-daemon'
[10:19] <stu> does the latest ubuntu 5.04 use Xorg or XFree86?
[10:19] <bur[n] er> xorg
[10:19] <borgista> xorg
[10:19] <borgista> :-B
[10:20] <stu> hmm the ati site only has an RPM for the drivers?
[10:20] <n4cht> how do i change things with gnome-settings-daemon anyway?
[10:21] <e_machinist> stu, is your radeon not working out of the box with a default ubuntu install?
[10:22] <e_machinist> I personally have a radeon and it works perfectly fine... no extra drivers needed.
[10:22] <Xira> where does gdesklets store its widgets?
[10:22] <stu> its working, I get 24bit colour but its laggy as hell playing mpeg's, screen saver etc
[10:22] <borgista> Mine worked fine out of the box...but I needed to put the fglrx driver to get better fps
[10:22] <andrew> my radeon is working but it is very slow, some of the renderings should be much faster than they are
[10:22] <stu> its like the windows XP default ATI driver, get 24bit colour but slow as hell
[10:23] <stu> yeah same
[10:23] <e_machinist> What FPS do you get when running most of the screen savers?
[10:23] <borgista> let me see. brb.
[10:23] <stu> about 10? max
[10:23] <stu> windows animations are fine
[10:24] <e_machinist> That is funny... my Radeon 9200 runs all the screensavers around 40-45FPS.
[10:24] <Xira> im on a radeon 9800 pro 256mb and using the default 2d drivers and everything is fine
[10:24] <stu> playing an mpeg file I rekon I get about 20 in a small window
[10:24] <Xira> i dont game under linux, ergo i do not need 3d accel
[10:24] <Xira> besides, i suffer bugs from the binary drivers
[10:24] <e_machinist> stu, when you run glxgears what fps does it report?
[10:24] <borgista> 14908 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2981.600 FPS
[10:24] <stu> 322
[10:25] <borgista> 16254 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3250.800 FPS
[10:25] <e_machinist> What radeon you got borgista?
[10:25] <stu> 1611 frames in 5.0 seconds = 322.200 FPS
[10:25] <stu> 1921 frames in 5.0 seconds = 384.200 FPS
[10:25] <andrew> how do i measure fps?
[10:25] <stu> omg?
[10:25] <borgista> 9800 128mb
[10:25] <stu> read what he just said
[10:25] <e_machinist> stu, glxgears reports the fsp for you.
[10:25] <stu> yeah I have the same card
[10:25] <stu> but getting 10% the fps u have
[10:26] <e_machinist> stu, here is what glxgears reports for my radeon 9200.
[10:26] <stu> ok I just found fglrx apt packages, gonna install all the latest ones
[10:26] <n4cht> glxgears reports something like 3,000 fps w/my happy lil overclocked geforce 3
[10:27] <andrew> glxgears doesn't exist??
[10:27] <e_machinist> glxgears reports around 1,500fps on average for my Radeon 9200... pretty nice.
[10:27] <stu> I should be getting 10X what im getting
[10:27] <n4cht> 3,000 avg is dead sexy for a 64mb card. :D
[10:28] <borgista> it is
[10:28] <stu> do I need to reboot?
[10:28] <stu> after driver install
[10:28] <borgista> yes
[10:28] <e_machinist> Did you find a prebuilt driver for Ubuntu stu?
[10:29] <stu> yeah search apt/synaptic for fglrx
[10:29] <stu> gonna reboot - brb (I hope)
[10:30] <delltony> anyone mind helping me with xorg.conf and my monitor? I can't seem to figure out how to set my refresh rate to higher than 60mhz i believe my monitor uses at least 85mhz
[10:30] <e_machinist> I'll install fglrx, see if I get even better acceleration than I already am.
[10:30] <delltony> i'm assuming its modeline in the xorg.conf but i'm confused on what to add or delete
[10:31] <e_machinist> delltony, you can't just set that using the System Config under gnome?
[10:31] <delltony> considering i don't use gnome that would be a no :)
[10:31] <stu> hmm that didn't fix it
[10:32] <delltony> and both read the values from xorg.conf fromw hat i'm told
[10:32] <delltony> i just don't know what to change the actual values to
[10:32] <lunitik> delltony: it depends on the HSync and VSync values...
[10:32] <lunitik> delltony: look into those
[10:32] <e_machinist> meh. Don't know. I just config my monitor refresh rate from the gnome settings.
[10:32] <lunitik> e_machinist: sure... if its present... else, see my last comment
[10:32] <andrew> hey, i am getting a problem trieng to download mplayer...
[10:33] <gustav_> stu: you have to install the restricted modules package and fiddle a little with xorg.conf
[10:33] <delltony> well i have them set to 31.5-90 on h and 29-80 on v
[10:33] <lunitik> andrew: apt-get install mplayer-386 after enabling multiverse
[10:33] <closure> holy shit
[10:33] <e_machinist> yah, on my mandrake box I had to set all that crap.
[10:33] <e_machinist> Good ol' pico.
[10:33] <andrew> i tried taht but it gives me dependency errors
[10:33] <e_machinist> haha.
[10:33] <nix000> anyone can help me figure a good place for server specifications ? i need somthing with raid dual power supply etc ...
[10:33] <lunitik> e_machinist: *cough* nano *cough*
[10:34] <gustav_> stu: look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/
[10:34] <lunitik> e_machinist: most distro's just make pico a symlink to nano for old-timers
[10:34] <e_machinist> heh.
[10:34] <delltony> lunitik, i have this
[10:34] <delltony> Section "Monitor"
[10:34] <delltony>     Identifier  "Monitor0"
[10:34] <delltony>     HorizSync   31.5-90.0
[10:34] <delltony>     VertRefresh 59.0-75.0
[10:34] <delltony>     Option "DPMS"
[10:34] <e_machinist> I just like the work pico.
[10:34] <lunitik> e_machinist: pico is closed source... nano is a gnu project...
[10:34] <delltony> but even in xrandr i can't see anything other than 60mhz
[10:35] <Flonne> What res are you running at?
[10:35] <lunitik> delltony: eh... this isn't something you can guess... look into your monitor manual...
[10:35] <Dreamer3> wow
[10:35] <e_machinist> meh, when it comes to miniscule little text editors I don't much care what license they use.
[10:35] <Dreamer3> burn-in is terrible
[10:35] <delltony> i'm not guessing at it
[10:35] <lunitik> Flonne: apparently 60 mhz...
[10:35] <Flonne> Resolution...
[10:35] <delltony> 1680x1050
[10:36] <lunitik> delltony: also, please note its considered bad for your eyes to have greater than 60mhz ...
[10:36] <e_machinist> Can you even see text?
[10:36] <Flonne> Widescreen LCD?
[10:36] <e_machinist> haha.
[10:36] <delltony> yes
[10:36] <e_machinist> Higher refresh means less flicker.
[10:36] <delltony> to the widescreen
[10:36] <Dreamer3_> sheesh
[10:37] <Dreamer3_> does samsung just make crap lcds now or days or what?
[10:37] <delltony> so leave the 60 as is?
[10:37] <lunitik> e_machinist: it is irritating to your pupils though, even if you can't see it... I guess if you don't get headaches though, its all good  :/
[10:37] <ice_1963> lol
[10:37] <e_machinist> Yah, rule of thumb is that as long as you don't get headaches you are probably cool.
[10:38] <Flonne> Consult your manual, and consider looking at X's log (/var/log/Xorg.0.log) for video card error messages related to EDIDs.
[10:38] <e_machinist> Start getting headaches and you need to change something. haha.
[10:38] <Dreamer3_> how do i defragment my ubuntu?
[10:38] <lunitik> Dreamer3_: the filesystem does such things during downtime
[10:39] <Flonne> (Based on experience with a widescreen notebook and an nVidia card, which is being used now)
[10:39] <lunitik> s/downtime/idle time
[10:39] <Dreamer3_> lunitik: hmmm, i think that's technically incorrect
[10:39] <moogman> lunitik: Where did you hear that?
[10:39] <icesmurf> anyone have any idea why i'd be getting errors like : mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt
[10:39] <icesmurf> mount: /dev/hdc1 already mounted or /mnt busy
[10:39] <e_machinist> You don't really need to defrag... but hey... I'm no expert.
[10:39] <Dreamer3_> lunitik: i was asking for giggles... i know the modern filesystems try and minimize fragmentation with WRITES, but not during downtime :)
[10:39] <moogman> (About the higher screen refreshing leading to headaches)
[10:40] <icesmurf> disks not mounted, fusered the directory, not in use.
[10:40] <icesmurf> entries are in /etc/fstab
[10:40] <Flonne> Reiser's design doesn't really need to be defragged as long as you leave it enough space to play with.
[10:40] <e_machinist> heh, modern filesystems except for microsofts... horrible fragmented mess.
[10:40] <icesmurf> and they're correct.
[10:41] <jsgotangco> they rarerly get fragmented
[10:41] <lunitik> e_machinist: even NTFS isn't _that_ bad...
[10:41] <jsgotangco> especially the new journalling fs
[10:41] <Flonne> NTFS is, like, a decade old. It's hardly "modern", despite the minor revisions made to it.
[10:41] <lunitik> jsgotangco: there are three within linux alone... to which do you refer?
[10:41] <e_machinist> How old is ext3?
[10:42] <icesmurf> over a decade, easily :)
[10:42] <Flonne> Ext3 is just Ext2 with journalling. It's pretty old.
[10:42] <lunitik> e_machinist: they do work with it (merging things from the other journeled fs's in the kernel etc) regularly...
[10:42] <lunitik> e_machinist: I believe it first was seen during 2.3 devel cycle though...
[10:42] <lunitik> (so pretty old)
[10:42] <e_machinist> Is there a clear choice of which FS is the best or is it just hit and miss?
[10:42] <Flonne> That new?
[10:43] <icesmurf> no, it was around before 2.3 :)
[10:43] <lunitik> (...considering 2.5 beta cycle was aprox. 3 years)
[10:43] <Flonne> Maybe it was backported, but I know I saw it in 2.2.
[10:44] <Flonne> People tend to swear by either ReiserFS or Ext3, e_machinist. Some prefer XFS, but they're weird smell funny.
[10:44] <jnoreiko> hi
[10:44] <Flonne> Hi.
[10:44] <Flonne> +and
[10:44] <jnoreiko> I've just launched the firefox installer on linux. any idea which directory to tell it to install in?
[10:45] <Flonne> Are you using Ubuntu?
[10:45] <jnoreiko> yup :)
[10:45] <hayden> u should use apt-get
[10:45] <jnoreiko> finally got online with it
[10:45] <Flonne> There's actually a much easier way.
[10:45] <e_machinist> heh.
[10:45] <jsgotangco> :D
[10:45] <jnoreiko> I think my aptget may be broken
[10:45] <Flonne> Are you familiar with the command line, or do you prefer graphical tools?
[10:45] <hayden> the sources or what
[10:45] <jnoreiko> at least synaptic wants to remove things
[10:45] <lunitik> Flonne: Reiser is good for small files (so devels like it) ... XFS for bigger... JFS because you want stalk someone at IBM... ext3 does nothing very well, but is decent at everything....
[10:45] <Flonne> Remove?
[10:45] <e_machinist> Do they have firefox 1.0.2 on Synaptic yet?
[10:45] <gustav_> yup
[10:46] <no0tic> where can I find gobject-2.0?
[10:46] <Flonne> I've been playing with new filesystems for as long as I can remember. :)
[10:46] <Flonne> I've lost systems to Reiser4 countless times, but I keep going back.
[10:46] <Flonne> I'm just waiting for this one to die.
[10:46] <ice_1963> ok
[10:46] <lunitik> no0tic: gob2 isn't what you want?
[10:46] <Flonne> (Since it's supposed to be very, very unstable on AMD64)
[10:47] <jnoreiko> synaptic problem: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2260
[10:47] <no0tic> lunitik: I think I need dev libraries
[10:47] <jnoreiko> anbd I've just tried apt-get install firefox, and it says can't find the package
[10:47] <e_machinist> How do you enable multiverse?
[10:47] <no0tic> lunitik: I'm compiling and pkg-config searches for gobject-2.0
[10:47] <lunitik> no0tic: apt-cache show gob2 ... seems close to what you want atleast  :/
[10:48] <e_machinist> brb.
[10:48] <kain> jnoreiko, mozilla-firefox
[10:48] <ice_1963> apt-get install mozilla-firefox ok
[10:48] <ice_1963> lol
[10:48] <no0tic> lunitik: gob2 is a preprocessor
[10:49] <Komodor>  Hi all
[10:50] <jnoreiko> I'm getting similar messages to what synaptic says about removing libc6 and locales
[10:50] <lunitik> no0tic: *shrug* ... then try apt-get.org ... if you don't find it there... there isn't a .deb for it
[10:50] <Flonne> Hi.
[10:50] <Flonne> Does it suggest or mention replacing them, jnoreiko?
[10:52] <djp> what is the best way to view rss feeds under warty?
[10:52] <no0tic> lunitik: thanks
[10:52] <jnoreiko> synaptic wants to remove them. I'm going to go through and have it reinstall instead, see if it's happy with that
[10:52] <andrew> how do i kill mplayer?
[10:52] <andrew> it froze
[10:52] <Flonne> Is gdesklets available for Warty?
[10:53] <Xira> join ##linux
[10:53] <djp> currently when i click on an rss link in firefox i get the following message,
[10:53] <djp>         This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated with it. The document tree is shown below.
[10:53] <Xira> er
[10:53] <closure> andrew
[10:53] <andrew> yes?
[10:53] <closure> how do you install mplayer
[10:53] <Flonne> "kill `pidof gmplayer`"
[10:53] <lunitik> andrew: pkill -HUP mplayer
[10:54] <Flonne> You may need to restart X, djp. I've had that a few times immediately after Firefox updates on several distributions.
[10:54] <reisi> can i upgrade "beta release" to final hoary without reinstall?
[10:54] <andrew> oohhhh, that did something funny
[10:54] <jsgotangco> yes
[10:54] <lunitik> reisi: yes
[10:54] <Flonne> Yes, reisi.
[10:54] <jsgotangco> just change your repositories
[10:54] <reisi> ok, thank you :)
[10:54] <nexus-> has anyone used Helix DNA server before?
[10:54] <nexus-> i can't seem to get the http serv to work
[10:54] <andrew> whats the fastest way to just restart x?
[10:55] <lunitik> jsgotangco: from beta release... that is unnecissary.
[10:55] <kain> andrew, ctrl+alt+backspace
[10:55] <garrut> anyone have a fix for the problems with the starterbar in gdesklets after the lates updates for hoary?
[10:55] <djp> Flonne: i have version 0.9.3 of firefox running. would that be an issue?
[10:55] <andrew> and to start it up again?
[10:55] <nexus-> it returns a "Not Found" no matter how i try to access it
[10:55] <Flonne> That's... a bit old, isn't it?
[10:55] <kain> andrew, if you have gdm it can restart automatically, otherwise startx
[10:55] <Flonne> Yes, I'd say that might be the problem.
[10:55] <andrew> k thanx
[10:56] <djp> Flonne: does it not update when i apt-get upgrade under warty?
[10:56] <andrew> k now how do i change root password?
[10:57] <Jeeves_> Morning
[10:57] <Flonne> My experience with Warty is limited; I come from a Debian and Gentoo background. :(
[10:57] <djp> Flonne: ok, no probs
[10:57] <scizzo> nexus-: I have set it up ones
[10:57] <Flonne> sudo passwd root
[10:57] <lunitik> andrew: you don't want to... use 'sudo some program'
[10:57] <scizzo> nexus-: once even
[10:57] <scizzo> nexus-: don't remember the exact install though
[10:57] <lunitik> andrew: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:57] <andrew> i want to cause i cann't log in as root cause i don't know the password
[10:58] <kain> root login is bad
[10:58] <Flonne> Your initial user has sudu access.
[10:58] <jsgotangco> bbl
[10:58] <lunitik> andrew: read that link... the password is your user password...
[10:58] <Flonne> Just use your password.
[10:58] <Flonne> And yes, root login is bad.
[10:58] <andrew> i mean in the command line(without x running), and i tried my user password, it didn't work
[10:59] <lunitik> andrew: 'sudo blah'
[10:59] <andrew> sudo blah?
[10:59] <topyli> heh
[10:59] <Flonne> sudo echo blah
[10:59] <andrew> i have to be root to echo??
[10:59] <kain> andrew, root logins are disabled, log in as your normal user and then use sudo to do administrative tasks. if you want to enable root user read the wiki
[10:59] <scizzo> the first user added is the one having the sudo rights...
[10:59] <topyli> andrew: "blah" there is whatever command you want to run as root
[10:59] <andrew> k, good enough
[10:59] <scizzo> or something like that
[10:59] <lunitik> andrew: gah... its a basic example of sudo usage...
[11:00] <bitar> hey all...
[11:00] <lunitik> andrew: to do things with root privs... preceed with 'sudo'
[11:00] <Flonne> And echo would demonstrate whether it worked or not...
[11:00] <Flonne> Hi.
[11:00] <nexus-> scizzo, did you administer it using the web interface?
[11:00] <ice_1963> lol
[11:00] <lunitik> andrew: seriously dude, read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:00] <nexus-> scizzo, i can't seem to find it.
[11:00] <andrew> im oing to bed now...
[11:01] <bitar> i'm trying to change my network settings in Ubuntu, but it's tell me that i don't have enough proviliges :S .. so i thought of logging in is as the root... but the password is not working.. is there a default password for the root?
[11:01] <scizzo> nexus-: I did it all from commandline
[11:01] <kain> bitar, try using the one of your user account
[11:01] <scizzo> nexus-: I don't trust webinterfaces... :)
[11:01] <bitar> kain: i did...
[11:01] <Flonne> When you try to change your settings, are you prompted for a password?
[11:01] <ice_1963> bash
[11:01] <scizzo> nexus-: there should be a good description of how to install it in the package I guess
[11:01] <Zevin> anyone here have a hard time getting IE6 to install for wine?
[11:01] <bitar> still not allowed...
[11:02] <nexus-> scizzo, i'm still looking for it
[11:02] <Flonne> Murder isn't bad, lunitik. It's just socially unacceptable.
[11:02] <nexus-> scizzo, how do you admin it from cli anyway
[11:02] <kakalto> Zevin; why on earth would you want it?
[11:02] <n4cht> ok.. after a lot of tinkering, i've made my hoary fluxbox desktop sexier.
[11:02] <johns^> bitar: log in with your regular account, then sudo passwd root
[11:02] <lunitik> Zevin: afaik, IE6 requires XP... try IE5... worked here
[11:02] <bitar> Flonne: i'm clicking on the netwrok properties in order to change some options but it's  prompting for a password?
[11:02] <n4cht> http://wretched.ws/pwn.png
[11:02] <Flonne> So is picking your nose in public, but that doesn't stop people from doing it.
[11:02] <topyli> bitar: how are you trying to configure the network? the gui from the menu?
[11:02] <Flonne> So if they can get away with picking their nose, why can't you kill someone?
[11:02] <ice_1963> not me
[11:02] <lunitik> Flonne: you're trying to talk me into killing andrew aren't you?
[11:02] <bitar> topyli: yeah
[11:02] <topyli> bitar: use your own passwd
[11:02] <Zevin> Yeah, wine says it needs IE6, but when it updates, the download fails.
[11:03] <lunitik> Flonne: you're a bad influence, I decided
[11:03] <Xira> Hi guys, running Hoary, migrated from fc3, gterm takes like 1.5-2 seconds ot open, on fc3 it opened instantly, any idea how to address this?
[11:03] <Flonne> I'm just trying to provide you with options. 'Sabout choice, after all.
[11:03] <lunitik> Xira: kick it harder?
[11:03] <Xira> :\
[11:04] <bitar> topyli: i'm able to change the ip address and all.. but if i try to configure my network by trying to change the broadcast number, it doesn't allow me...
[11:04] <Xira> anyone?
[11:04] <Zevin> once i get the base stuff for wine installed, can i run windoze stuff?
[11:04] <lunitik> Xira: I know of nothing Fedora does that is special... you're sure you're not just imagining it?
[11:04] <Flonne> Are you still running the i386 kernel, Xira?
[11:04] <Flonne> (It's used by default.)
[11:04] <Zevin> i dunno, i was hoping to get WoW to run on here so i could dump XP off my system
[11:04] <Xira> Flonne, n, 686
[11:04] <lunitik> Flonne: Fedora's kernel is compiled for 386...
[11:04] <kain> Xira, maybe your fedora core was prelinked?
[11:04] <Xira> i dont know
[11:05] <Xira> is there anyway to make gterm open.. faster?
[11:05] <lunitik> Xira: it is by default... actually...
[11:05] <Flonne> WoW requires Cedega, a commercial, and evil, product sold by Transgaming.
[11:05] <topyli> bitar: is it the "network tools" from the applications menu, or the one from the system menu?
[11:05] <lunitik> Xira: try installing prelink  :/
[11:05] <Xira> my friend who runs ubuntu with the same specs, his proc is slightly faster, and his opens instantly
[11:05] <kain> Xira, try enabling prelink on your ubuntu machine, read the forum to know how
[11:05] <scizzo> nexus-: the install and such should give you the ports and stuff listed...also it should tell you where to put the real stuff for playing
[11:05] <bitar> topyli: don't recall...
[11:05] <bitar> brb... i'll check it out..
[11:06] <scizzo> nexus-: I think the install was rather straight forward...but it was a long time ago I installed it
[11:06] <bitar> gotta log on with ubuntu...
[11:06] <Flonne> I thought FC1+ auto-detected during the installation, lunitik.
[11:06] <nexus-> scizzo, do you need realplayer to access the services on the ports? when i point my browser at the ports it just says Not Found.
[11:06] <topyli> bitar: the one in the applications menu is just for information. the system tool is the one you want
[11:06] <nexus-> I wonder if there is a special client
[11:06] <lunitik> Flonne: auto-detected what exactly?
[11:06] <Flonne> Of course, it didn't recognize my other laptop's keyboard, so I returned to LFS within a few minutes. >.>
[11:06] <lunitik> Flonne: and how is that related to prelinking?
[11:07] <Flonne> It isn't.
[11:07] <Flonne> I'm talking about its kernel.
[11:07] <Flonne> I'm fairly sure it loaded an i586 thing, though that was a long time ago.
[11:07] <lunitik> Flonne: geh... kernel doesn't autodetect anything... its a static software that does what its told...
[11:07] <Flonne> No, no...
[11:07] <Flonne> The FC installer.
[11:08] <lunitik> Flonne: kudzu is the only auto detection mechanism in fedora.
[11:08] <kakalto> is Firefox 1.0.2 available in warty?
[11:08] <lunitik> kakalto: yes
[11:08] <Nabiki> Hihi
[11:08] <kakalto> lunitik, then why can't I see it?
[11:08] <Flonne> Meh. Maybe I installed it without a keyboard somehow.
[11:08] <lunitik> kakalto: apt-get update
[11:09] <scizzo> nexus-: ummm..you need a player yes
[11:09] <kakalto> lunitik, I see 1.0.1-2ubuntu-something
[11:09] <Xira> how do I enable ubuntu universe?
[11:09] <Xira> im looking on the forum without success
[11:09] <kakalto> lunitik, thank
[11:09] <kakalto> s
[11:09] <lunitik> Xira: uncomment the line in sources.list
[11:09] <Xira> where is that located?
[11:09] <Flonne> /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:09] <lunitik> Xira: uhh... half way down?
[11:10] <lunitik> Flonne: you suck dude... I like playing with bad questions  :(
[11:10] <Xira> # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[11:10] <Xira> # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[11:10] <Flonne> :(
[11:10] <Xira> uncomment those two?
[11:10] <lunitik> Xira: no...
[11:10] <Flonne> The second one is optional.
[11:10] <lunitik> Xira: the one that doesn't state security
[11:10] <Flonne> If you don't plan to develop/build it yourself, leave it out.
[11:11] <Xira> oh
[11:11] <Xira> # deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[11:11] <Xira> # deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[11:11] <Flonne> Oh... Yeah, that, too.
[11:11] <Xira> uncomment those?
[11:11] <lunitik> Xira: the one that doesn't state -src yes
[11:11] <dmoyne> where to fix keyboard features : on my azerty keyboard the sequens "^" + "o" yields "^o" instead of ""
[11:11] <topyli> Xira: well, you do want the universe security updates too i guess :)
[11:11] <Xira> eh
[11:11] <Xira> not for now
[11:11] <Xira> im just trying to install prelink
[11:12] <lunitik> topyli: eh... not yet he doesn't... its empty till after release
[11:13] <Xira> So what does prelink do anyway?
[11:13] <lunitik> topyli: I'm a huge fan of not having apt-get update take an hour to complete...
[11:13] <Zevin> anyone else using nvidia-glx
[11:13] <topyli> lunitik: oh yeah :)
[11:13] <Flonne> I've been wondering about that, too.
[11:13] <lunitik> Xira: it links libs and binaries...
[11:13] <dmoyne> konqueror
[11:14] <Flonne> I am, but my conditions are probably a little strange, Zevin.
[11:14] <Flonne> Ask anyway, though.
[11:14] <lunitik> Xira: basically, when loading, an application just knows what it needs to run, instead of going and looking of everything
[11:14] <lunitik> for*
[11:14] <jnoreiko> oops.. I've killed firefox :(
[11:14] <Flonne> How is that information managed?
[11:14] <ice_1963> Flonne most be from redhat
[11:14] <lunitik> Flonne: no idea... I just know the basic task...
[11:14] <Xira> lunitik, i see :)
[11:15] <Zevin> well, i ran the sudo nvidia-glx-config enable, and rebooted, and i had a white screen of death
[11:15] <Flonne> If by RedHat you mean the Gentoo/Debian/LFS side, yes.
[11:15] <Jimbob> http://www.strw.leidenuniv.nl/cgi-bin/man?program=prelink&section=8
[11:15] <Zevin> so i restored the old config file
[11:15] <Zevin> so i can see now
[11:15] <Jimbob> That's the prelink man page
[11:15] <Zevin> what did i do wrong?
[11:15] <ice_1963> hhmmmmm
[11:16] <Xira> k
[11:16] <Xira> i just did /etc/cron.daily/prelink
[11:16] <Xira> should the speed affects take immediatly?
[11:16] <Jimbob> "prelink is a program which  modifies  ELF  shared  libraries  and  ELF dynamically  linked  binaries,  so  that the time which dynamic linker needs for their relocation at startup significantly decreases and also due to fewer relocations the run-time memory consumption decreases too (especially number of unshareable pages)."
[11:16] <Jimbob> Xira: No
[11:16] <Jimbob> Xira: If you manually run /etc/cron.daily/prelink, then it will.
[11:16] <Xira> I just did
[11:17] <Jimbob> Xira: I'd reboot, personally.
[11:17] <Xira> gterm isnt launching any faster
[11:17] <Xira> :-/
[11:17] <jnoreiko> what happens if I remove package lsb?
[11:17] <andy_> am running alsa with my SB Live but i cant get sound from my rear speakers..is there a command line i have to run to get it to run in 5.1
[11:17] <lunitik> jnoreiko: nothing... its a meta-package
[11:17] <Xira> Jimbob, k i'll try rebooting
[11:17] <Zevin> flonne, any tips to avoid the white screen of death after enabling the nvidia-glx drivers?
[11:17] <Xira> brb
[11:17] <Jimbob> Xira: The problem is that any libraries/apps already in-use will not be re-read.
[11:17] <Xira> so should a reboot work?
[11:17] <Jimbob> Xira: Should, yes
[11:17] <Flonne> I'm looking through its source now... Yet another distraction from sleep. >.>
[11:17] <Xira> k
[11:17] <Xira> brb
[11:17] <Zevin> hehe, sorry
[11:18] <lunitik> Flonne: sleep is for the weak
[11:18] <Flonne> What card are you using?
[11:18] <topyli> jnoreiko: all the lsb package does is ensure you have all the stuff required by lsb compliance
[11:18] <Zevin> i'm using a gefore 4 440 go 64mb on a laptop, if that helps
[11:18] <Flonne> Sleep is also for those who have a test in six hours.
[11:18] <Flonne> It might.
[11:18] <Flonne> r3000 series?
[11:18] <lunitik> Flonne: eh... more time to study  :P
[11:18] <Zevin> r3000? laptop?
[11:19] <Flonne> Because I know this system needed a special kernel module flag.
[11:19] <Zevin> nope, hp zv5000
[11:19] <Flonne> Yes, an r3000 or z5000 (or something like that) HP.
[11:19] <Flonne> Sounds like a match...
[11:19] <Zevin> yeah
[11:19] <Zevin> hmm
[11:19] <Flonne> Are you comfortable with the command line?
[11:19] <jnoreiko> how do I tell synaptic to get a package from the net and not ask me for the CD?
[11:20] <jnoreiko> ... or how do I tell apt-get to force a reinstall?
[11:20] <Zevin> a little.
[11:20] <Xira> Okay
[11:20] <bitar> hey all...
[11:20] <Xira> There is still a 1.5 second delay when opening gterm
[11:20] <Zevin> i know more,less, gedit,grep, basic stuff
[11:20] <Xira> :-/
[11:20] <topyli> jnoreiko: remove references to cd from /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:20] <Flonne> Mind if I PM you?
[11:20] <Tomcat_> jnoreiko: Take the CD out of /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get update and install
[11:20] <Zevin> go ahead
[11:21] <Xira> Jimbob, heh, that didn't help
[11:21] <Xira> maybe somthing else is causing the delay?
[11:21] <Jimbob> Xira: vte (the lib gnome-terminal uses for rendering the text) is pretty un-optimized, AFAIK.
[11:21] <djp> which rss feed software is preferred here? blam or liferea?
[11:21] <lunitik> Flonne: please preceed things with a nick... helps to bring order to IRC channels...
[11:21] <garrut> watf
[11:21] <Jimbob> Xira: What version are you using?
[11:21] <Xira> Jimbob, you run gentoo?
[11:21] <Xira> Of what?
[11:21] <Jimbob> Xira: No, ubuntu
[11:22] <bitar> just got back from Ubuntu... when i go to :  App/System tools/Netwrok tools/ i pick my network device and as soon as i click on "Configure" , it tells me to tun this tool you need administrator priviledges... insert ur root's passworD :S
[11:22] <Jimbob> Xira: of gnome-terminal
[11:22] <Xira> nicholas@evermore:~$ gnome-terminal --version
[11:22] <Xira> Gnome gnome-terminal 2.10.0
[11:22] <lunitik> djp: akregator  8)
[11:22] <jnoreiko> firefox freezes on me now
[11:22] <Jimbob> Hrm.
[11:22] <jnoreiko> apt-get says there's nothing to reinstall
[11:22] <closure> jnoreiko mine just did that
[11:22] <Jimbob> Xira: Are you running anything else GNOME?
[11:22] <stu> anyone here in the UK??
[11:22] <saber> Ahhhhhhhhh! I'm finally restoring my system after 3 hours... thank you BackupPC
[11:22] <saber> heh
[11:23] <ice_1963> jest reinstall firefox
[11:23] <lunitik> stu: does it count if I was born there... but moved?
[11:23] <stu> time? 10:23?
[11:23] <goldfish> stu: Ireland.
[11:23] <topyli> bitar: hmm. so it does. anyway, that's the wrong tool :)
[11:23] <jnoreiko> um, how?apt-get upgrade mozilla-firefox says nothing to do
[11:23] <goldfish> stu: yes that;s the time.
[11:23] <stu> lunitik, not really :)
[11:23] <stu> ta
[11:23] <jnoreiko> stu -- yeah, my ubuntu hasn't changed to summer time either :(
[11:23] <topyli> bitar: find the one in the "actions" menu or whatsitcalled
[11:23] <ice_1963> update firefox
[11:23] <stu> mine has I think says - 10:23
[11:24] <jnoreiko> E: The update command takes no arguments
[11:24] <topyli> bitar: are you still running warty?
[11:24] <ice_1963> or uninstall
[11:24] <lunitik> Arizona doesn't even change its clocks... makes things much less confusing  :)
[11:24] <ice_1963> and reinstall
[11:24] <lunitik> but you can't use the "I didn't change my clocks" excuse to get off work for an hour... sucks  :(
[11:25] <Xira> Jimbob, any ideas?
[11:25] <bitar> topyli: no i'm using XP now.. :S
[11:25] <kain> will hoary have a bootsplash in the final release (tomorrow)?
[11:25] <topyli> bitar: that's the wrong tool for sure =)
[11:25] <lunitik> kain: umm... prolly not.
[11:25] <topyli> bitar: anyways, the real admin tools are in the other menu
[11:26] <Xira> Jimbob,  other than that Ubuntu is faster than FC3 - being sour about a 1.5 sec delay is a bit picky, so I'll live with it I guess
[11:26] <bitar> topyli: heeh.. yeah i know.. that's why i wanna use Ubuntu...
[11:26] <stu> ubuntu is the win - detected my wireless card and worked out the box
[11:26] <stu> the win*
[11:26] <Jimbob> Xira: When last I tried prelink, the config was set to not do any actual prelinking -- how long did it take to run /etc/cron.daily/prelink?
[11:26] <stu> o ffs
[11:27] <stu> this thing corrects my spelling
[11:27] <Xira> Xira, 3-5 mins maybe?
[11:27] <topyli> bitar: the one in the applications menu is just for information. the "configure" button should be removed IMO
[11:27] <Xira> er
[11:27] <Xira> Jimbob, 3-5 mins maybe?
[11:28] <bitar> topyli: look @ my problem, after configuring it and all with all the ip adreses ect ect, as soon as i open the browser it automatically directs me to a page where i write my username and password... and i got that page in Ubuntu.. but as soon as i write all the details, PRESSING ok is not working :S it stops @ the page.. i keep on clicking and clicking and pressing enter but no results... it's goign to the next page as it's suppose to... do u know wha
[11:28] <bitar> seems to be the problem?
[11:28] <Jimbob> Hrm.
[11:28] <stu> grr rhythm crashed again taking with it gnome-panel
[11:28] <jnoreiko> stu -- are you reporting a bug for the summer time thing?
[11:29] <stu> nope
[11:29] <stu> mine changed
[11:29] <stu> presuming of course that it is actually 10:30
[11:29] <jnoreiko> yes it is
[11:29] <goldfish> stu: It is in Ireland.
[11:29] <jnoreiko> mine still says 1130
[11:29] <stu> altho tbh I only installed this last night
[11:29] <topyli> bitar: i don't follow. what's the "it" you've configured? where does your browser take you?
[11:30] <jnoreiko> we're in different zone settings then -- you'll be europe/ireland
[11:30] <jnoreiko> europe/dublin I mean
[11:31] <stu> root@stu:/home/stu # fgl_glxgears
[11:31] <stu> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:31] <stu> eh? Im running Xorg - why is tryin to do that :/
[11:31] <goldfish> hehe
[11:31] <stu> um and Im not logged in as root either before anyone says anything :p
[11:32] <bitar> topyli: well i'm writing all the ip/mask/gateway required to connect to the internet... the way my connection works is that as soon as u log on, it directs me to a page where i write my username and password... and then as soon as write them, the connection is established... Now, i'm getting that page in Ubuntu, but as soon as i click on "ok" after writing my username and password, it doesn't do anything...
[11:32] <goldfish> stu: lol
[11:32] <berstein> Hello all.  Upgraded to Hoary Preview.  Now getting "fork(): Memory allocation error" with Hoary's 2.6.10 kernel.  Any hints?
[11:33] <topyli> bitar: oh, that's your isp's way of working?
[11:33] <Flonne> lunitik, yeah... I'm used to quieter channels.
[11:33] <light_punch2> anyone install ubuntu on a slow machine? 500mhz cpu?
[11:33] <closure> how come my desktop does not update all the time
[11:33] <bitar> topyli: yeah...
[11:33] <closure> and items are not shown on it?
[11:33] <kakalto> Could someone please tell me why, only about 2/3 boots, warty boots in, but the other 1/3 times, it stops @ 'starting hotplug subsystem', and crashes?
[11:33] <jnoreiko> installed firefox again... but it's being really slow. asked me what profile I wanted then vanished
[11:33] <lunitik> closure: because they were never put into ~/Desktop?
[11:34] <topyli> bitar: what a cruel and unusual pun^H^H^H isp
[11:34] <topyli> bitar: i have no idea what's wrong :(
[11:34] <bitar> :(
[11:34] <closure> no
[11:34] <closure> i put them there
[11:35] <stu> hmm I thought I would download the universe, multiverse, main and security - its taking a while
[11:35] <jnoreiko> any idea what this means? firefox keeps saying this in terminal *** loading the extensions datasource
[11:35] <light_punch2> why would anyone want to use ubuntu instead of other distros?
[11:36] <topyli> beats me
[11:36] <Flonne> Because of its integration, for one thing, light_punch2.
[11:36] <tayar> Hi
[11:36] <Flonne> Hi.
[11:36] <DemisM> the reason i use it over debian is because of stable releases happen more often than debians
[11:36] <stu> ubuntu release every 6 months
[11:37] <topyli> light_punch2: if you like debian, ubuntu is pretty much a fixed version of unstable + ubuntu goodies
[11:37] <stu> so u're guaranteed the bleeding edge
[11:37] <tayar> I am having a problem that when ever is leave my screen to idle 30min i get loged out
[11:37] <light_punch2> i am currently using slackware
[11:37] <Xira> heh
[11:37] <Xira> i installed eterm
[11:37] <Xira> its a lot faster
[11:37] <Xira> ;)
[11:37] <Flonne> Six months is a long time, stu.
[11:37] <tayar> i install using a croupted preview hoar cd :(
[11:37] <ice_1963> Flonne do run debian 3.0 woody
[11:37] <DemisM> 6 months < debian release
[11:37] <tayar> *hoary
[11:37] <Flonne> I do.
[11:38] <kakalto> anyone?
[11:38] <tayar> bt upgrade to the latest packages last night
[11:38] <topyli> Flonne: still, you get the latest gnome before it hits debian unstable (for example)
[11:38] <stu> ja, but not all distro's release every 6 months guaranteed?
[11:38] <Flonne> True, but there are faster distros.
[11:38] <light_punch2> yeah, debian don't release a lot
[11:38] <Flonne> ...They just aren't as well-supported.
[11:39] <stu> reason I like ubuntu is cos of the hardware support
[11:39] <stu> out the box
[11:39] <tayar> seb128: i guess you would be the best guy to know my problem?
[11:39] <seb128> ?
[11:40] <stu> my 3com wireless card worked immeditely after install along with my gfx card, sound card (spdif also worked), IPOD mounts and works correctly etc
[11:40] <kakalto> what internet browsers does ubuntu warty come with?
[11:40] <kakalto> firefox, what others?
[11:40] <light_punch2> i am trying to find the spec/system requirement page.  i have a 500 mhz computer
[11:41] <stu> out the box I think just firefox, but the package manager will get the rest for you
[11:41] <DemisM> kakalto: you can get just about any browswer that is free
[11:41] <kakalto> what's a text-only browser?
[11:41] <tayar> seb128: read above about my problem
[11:41] <DemisM> lynx
[11:41] <kakalto> thanks
[11:41] <stu> kakalto, lynx for example
[11:41] <Flonne> links, elinks, lynx.
[11:41] <jnoreiko> mozilla is on the CD
[11:42] <kakalto> so that's why in X-Chat, when you right-click a link, there's options for mozilla? or is that just x-chat normal
[11:42] <seb128> tayar: you get back to gdm ? Seems to be a xfree/xorg crash
[11:42] <Flonne> That's just how X-Chat is.
[11:42] <jnoreiko> i've just installed mozilla, and now there's an option for it in xchat
[11:43] <stu> http://test.com
[11:43] <kakalto> jnoreiko, there always was/is
[11:43] <DemisM> kakalto: in your case maybe, but if you do a base install not necessarily
[11:43] <stu> heh - yeah its just x-chat
[11:43] <Flonne> You might also notice things like Konqeror, despite not having KDE. (Though the Ubuntu devs might have removed it; I haven't used X-Chat in, like, forever.)
[11:43] <kakalto> ahk
[11:43] <tayar> seb128: yes
[11:43] <stu> mozilla - firefox
[11:43] <e_machinist> Well... that is definitely the last time I screw with fglrx.
[11:44] <DemisM> e_machinist: what is wrong, you have ati?
[11:44] <topyli> e_machinist: mine was last thursday :)
[11:44] <light_punch2> anyone know how to save changes correctly in lynx?
[11:44] <tayar> seb128: its only happens when i idle for 30min
[11:44] <light_punch2> trying to disable cookies, but keep on coming back
[11:45] <stu> I screwed with fglrx this morning, didn't help my gfx performance :/
[11:45] <e_machinist> How did fglrx go for you stu?
[11:45] <stu> well I used synpatic
[11:45] <DemisM> you need to change the ati in the xorg-config to fglrx
[11:45] <seb128> tayar: no idea. Look on /var/log/XFree86.0.log or /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:45] <DemisM> I'm using fglrx fine
[11:45] <stu> to get the drivers for Xorg - everything works as it did before, 2d is fine, but mpeg/3d is slow and I get Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:46] <goldfish> hey guys, im trying to upgrade to hoary from warty, i've changed all the instances of warty in source.list to hoary, what apt commands do i now run?
[11:46] <topyli> DemisM: when i log out of X, it can't restart. the box goes dead
[11:46] <stu> which confuses me cos I installed the drivers for Xorg not Xfree86
[11:46] <mjr> goldfish, update and dist-upgrade
[11:46] <stu> topyli, try ctrl+alt+backspace
[11:46] <DemisM> topyli: that happens to me too :(
[11:46] <tayar> seb128: ok
[11:46] <DemisM> doesn't work
[11:46] <goldfish> mjr: thanks
[11:46] <mjr> goldfish, (with apt-get)
[11:46] <topyli> stu: nothing works, the keyboard is dead, and the screen is blank
[11:46] <goldfish> :)
[11:47] <stu> if you press numlock does the light come on and off?
[11:47] <topyli> stu: google tells me it's a common problem with the latest ati drivers
[11:47] <stu> hmm, I dont have that prob
[11:47] <topyli> stu: xfree or xorg?
[11:47] <stu> org
[11:47] <topyli> hmm
[11:48] <goldfish> well, that didn't go well
[11:48] <DemisM> stu type fglrxinfo in a terminal window
[11:48] <stu> hey is it safe to do a upgrade while running X and playing mp3's etc etc
[11:48] <e_machinist> With fglrx I get about 10fps on screen savers and 180fps on glxgears, with the default drivers I get 40fps on screensavers and 1500fps on glxgears.
[11:48] <DemisM> what do you get?
[11:48] <stu> root@stu:/home/stu # fglrxinfo
[11:48] <stu> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:48] <stu> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[11:48] <tayar> seb128: should i give you the file?
[11:48] <Flonne> radeon > fglrx?
[11:48] <DemisM> stu: then you're not using the drivers correctly
[11:49] <stu> yeah it seems that way
[11:49] <stu> dunno how to fix it tho, I used synpatic to install the Xorg drivers
[11:49] <stu> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[11:49] <stu> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[11:49] <stu> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.2.1)
[11:49] <seb128> tayar: no, look on it if there is something like a crash
[11:49] <stu> oops
[11:49] <seb128> tayar: I think that's an xfree/xorg crash, I don't maintain them
[11:49] <DemisM> stu: that there means your using software rendering
[11:49] <waxhead> hi everyone
[11:49] <stu> no wonder its slow
[11:49] <stu> I gotta go to airport soon, Ill look at fixing my drivers when I get back from Tunisia
[11:50] <e_machinist> With the default ubuntu drivers I get great 3D acceleration so I'm good to go. haha.
[11:50] <DemisM> stu go to /etc/X11/xorg-config i believe and look for the anything that says ati
[11:50] <DemisM> change that to fglrx
[11:50] <Flonne> I'd ask to see your xorg.conf, but I need to sleep soon.
[11:50] <tayar> seb128: so i should ask daniels?
[11:50] <Xira> e_machinist, which card?
[11:50] <stu> DemisM, dont have the xorg-config
[11:50] <DemisM> xorg.conf?
[11:50] <waxhead> is this a radeon card by chance?
[11:50] <e_machinist> Radeon 9200
[11:50] <seb128> tayar: probably yep
[11:51] <waxhead> e_machinist, how?
[11:51] <DemisM> stu I type xorg (tab)
[11:51] <DemisM> heh
[11:51] <topyli> stu: that's why you don't have the problem. you're not actually using the ati hardware acceleration :)
[11:51] <e_machinist> how what?
[11:51] <Xira> e_machinist, that's becuase there's no offical ati support it, so OSS drivers were made, and OSS > Binary closed
[11:51] <DemisM> topyli: you haven't fixed it right?
[11:51] <stu> yeah it works when I dont tell it to look in /etc etc
[11:51] <tayar> seb128: where is he>
[11:51] <waxhead> e_machinist, radeon 3d acceleration...
[11:52] <waxhead> I have a 9600 but no 3d acceleration...
[11:52] <seb128> tayar: put a bug in bugzilla
[11:52] <tayar> crimsun: you also know something about xorg right?
[11:52] <mjr> 9200 is from those days when AT wasn't evil yet, and helped the community with specs
[11:52] <DemisM> stu: i'm not home atm so I don't know what it is called I think it is /etc/X11/xorg.conf or config or -conf or so, open that file
[11:52] <topyli> DemisM: no. it's my work box, and i haven't seen it since thursday. going there again today
[11:52] <e_machinist> waxhead, run glxgears, what do you get for the average fps?
[11:52] <DemisM> it should look like the XF86Config-4 file in oother distros
[11:53] <DemisM> in other distros lol
[11:53] <DemisM> when using xf86
[11:53] <stu> im in the xorgconfig now
[11:54] <stu> for ATI I see - 5  ** ATI (generic)                      [ati]        -
[11:54] <stu>   6  ** ATI Radeon (generic)               [radeon]     -
[11:54] <stu>   7  ** ATI Rage 128 based (generic)       [r128]       -
[11:54] <waxhead> e_machinist, 1921 frames in 5.0 seconds = 384.200 FPS
[11:54] <stu> ATI Radeon generic? I dont want that do I ?
[11:54] <DemisM> stu get out :)
[11:55] <stu> :/ ?
[11:55] <e_machinist> waxhead, my radeon 9200 reports 7500 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1507.600 fps...
[11:55] <DemisM> Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change "ati" to "fglrx",
[11:55] <stu> o.. um lemme just finish this then Ill look at the conf file
[11:55] <queuetue> Is there a known issue with yesterday' haory updates breaking gnome?
[11:55] <DemisM> type ctrl-c
[11:55] <e_machinist> waxhead, And in the 3D screensavers I run around 40-45fps @ 1024x768
[11:56] <topyli> queuetue: my gnome  is not broken
[11:56] <e_machinist> So I am definitely getting a shot of 3D acceleration on this 9200.
[11:56] <waxhead> e_machinist, yeah... but I haven't found a way to get the ATI drivers installed under xorg
[11:56] <tayar> seb128: do i need to register on bugzilla? and if yes can i use bug-buddy and not  have to register?
[11:56] <Flonne> 7976 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1595.200 FPS (GeForce 440 Go, 64MB)
[11:56] <waxhead> e_machinist, oyu are...
[11:56] <DemisM> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=xorg.conf
[11:56] <DemisM> go there guys
[11:56] <goldfish> i'm currently doing an apt-get dist-upgrade, is there any way i can stop it or pause it and come back to it later on? I have to boot into windows  :/
[11:56] <DemisM> and follow the step by step instructions
[11:57] <DemisM> on installing for your specific card type be it ati or nvidia
[11:57] <Flonne> Is it still downloading packages, goldfish?
[11:57] <goldfish> yes
[11:57] <seb128> tayar: you need to register, bug-buddy doesn't work with it atm
[11:57] <goldfish> 2 hours left
[11:57] <Flonne> Yeah. You can cancel with no penalty.
[11:57] <stu> DemisM, Ive changed the driver from ATI to fglrx - do I need to reboot or can I kill X and come back in again ?
[11:57] <gustav_> goldfish: ctrl-c
[11:57] <goldfish> thanks
[11:57] <DemisM> stu: you should reboot
[11:58] <stu> ok ... here goes.. im gonna screw X I know it, so wont be seeing u guys for a while :P
[11:58] <DemisM> lol
[11:58] <e_machinist> heh.
[11:58] <DemisM> no you wont :)
[11:58] <e_machinist> poor stu.
[11:58] <topyli> stu: X will work once
[11:58] <Flonne> Yay! Zevin didn't die!
[11:58] <Flonne> Did it work?
[11:58] <Zevin> well
[11:58] <DemisM> topyli: x works fine for me, I just can't logout
[11:58] <e_machinist> From what I understand it is far easier to get NVidia cards running under Xorg
[11:59] <topyli> DemisM: exactly
[11:59] <e_machinist> With full 3D accel.
[11:59] <queuetue> topyli, I get as far as the panels apparing, but not populating (they stay blank) and that's it - I hacked a xterm into gdm.conf so Ican use the system, but gnome seems pretty dasmaged - dbus seems completely dead.
[11:59] <DemisM> topyli: i can reboot though
[11:59] <Flonne> It's far easier to get nVidia working anywhere.
[11:59] <Zevin> did die, but my limited command line skills let me bring me back to life:)
[11:59] <Flonne> Ah.
[11:59] <MaRk-I> hi all got a problem with eth0 its detected but it just wont connect stays asleep just receiving 1kbs
[11:59] <topyli> DemisM: yeah
[11:59] <DemisM> topyli: and if I don't automatically start gdm I can logout as many times as I want
[11:59] <Zevin> mark
[11:59] <e_machinist> Flonne, except for my 9200... which has full 3D accel right out of the Ubuntu box.
[11:59] <Zevin> theres a file
[11:59] <Flonne> Can you provide me with your full model number? I'll look into it tomorrow and look for some place to update the Wiki.
[11:59] <Zevin> hmm
[11:59] <e_machinist> haha.
[12:00] <topyli> DemisM: so it works if you use startx?
[12:00] <Zevin> forget which one
[12:00] <DemisM> yes
[12:00] <MaRk-I> something about if up/down??
[12:00] <DemisM> iirc
[12:00] <Zevin> you can turn off etho
[12:00] <topyli> DemisM: ok, so it's just the restart that's broken
[12:00] <MaRk-I> turn off?
[12:00] <Zevin> yeah
[12:00] <DemisM> I don't know, I'm pretty sure the fglrx driver has something to do with it
[12:00] <Zevin> i did it with mine sense i ust use the wifi on mine, not the eth0
[12:01] <MaRk-I> Zevin: mine didnt detect wlan0
[12:01] <Flonne> "ifdown eth0" will bring down that card/interface.
[12:01] <DemisM> cause without it I can logout fine
[12:01] <DemisM> hi stu :)
[12:01] <Flonne> How are you online now?
[12:01] <stu> sup
[12:01] <DemisM> run fglrxinfo now
[12:01] <Xira> http://home.comcast.net/~xira/Ubuntu.png
[12:01] <stu> yeah I did
[12:01] <DemisM> good?
[12:01] <stu> no errors
[12:01] <DemisM> fglrx_gears
[12:01] <Flonne> Zevin, can I get your laptop's model number?
[12:01] <stu> but, when I run fgl_glxgears I get errors
[12:02] <DemisM> what error?
[12:02] <stu> X Error of failed request:  BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
[12:02] <stu>   Major opcode of failed request:  145 (GLX)
[12:02] <stu>   Minor opcode of failed request:  5 (X_GLXMakeCurrent)
[12:02] <Flonne> I also just noticed that my Debian config had the options line below the alias.
[12:02] <queuetue> Is there a way to list which repository a package was installed from?
[12:02] <e_machinist> That sucks.... time to just go to the store and buy an Nvidia card to run on that Xorg stu.
[12:02] <e_machinist> haha.
[12:02] <DemisM> stu: that's wierd
[12:03] <stu> there's a fglrxconfig
[12:03] <DemisM> no
[12:03] <DemisM> that's for xf86
[12:03] <stu> when I run it it wants to create a config file for Xf86.... :/
[12:03] <DemisM> don't worry about that
[12:03] <stu> yeah..
[12:03] <DemisM> type this
[12:03] <DemisM> echo fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[12:04] <stu> fglrx..
[12:04] <stu> modprobe dont give errors either
[12:04] <DemisM> type this: sudo depmod -a ; sudo modprobe fglrx
[12:05] <stu> ok it took a few seconds and returned me to the shll
[12:05] <stu> +e
[12:05] <DemisM> and restart x, which since you're running fglrx would probably mean restart
[12:05] <stu> rebootage.. brb
[12:05] <DemisM> atleast thats what it means for me :(
[12:06] <e_machinist> Once stu gets fglrx running under xorg properly... he better pray that he never messes anything up on that compy.
[12:06] <e_machinist> haha.
[12:06] <DemisM> e_machinist: it's not that bad...
[12:06] <e_machinist> uhuh.
[12:07] <DemisM> really all you have to do is add fglrx to the end of your /etc/modules file, then change ati to fglrx in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:07] <DemisM> and reboot
[12:07] <DemisM> and everything should work
[12:07] <e_machinist> ok... but not for stu obviously.
[12:07] <DemisM> heh
[12:07] <DemisM> he didn't add fglrx to /etc/modules before
[12:07] <DemisM> you restarted x fine?
[12:08] <stu> yeah, still same error tho
[12:08] <DemisM> what ati card do you have?
[12:08] <stu> root@stu:/home/stu # fgl_glxgears
[12:08] <stu> X Error of failed request:  BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
[12:08] <stu> 9800 128
[12:08] <hayden> ive had heaps of probs with fglrx as well
[12:08] <e_machinist> I see... so that is really all there is to it? Add it to the /etc/modules file then change in the xorg.conf?
[12:08] <DemisM> yes
[12:08] <e_machinist> How come so many people can't get it to work then?
[12:08] <corza> argh too much chocolate
[12:08] <hayden> do u change the xorg.conf using fglrxconfig ?
[12:09] <DemisM> cause they don't follow directions
[12:09] <DemisM> hayden, no
[12:09] <MaRk-I> brb
[12:09] <stu> hayden, you dont, fglrxconfig is for Xfree86
[12:09] <e_machinist> fglrx doesn't really provide instructions from what I understand.
[12:09] <stu> ive checked /etc/modules and fglrx is in there
[12:09] <hayden> what do u change in xorg.conf then
[12:09] <DemisM> e_machinist: if you follow http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=xorg.conf exactly what is says you'll be fine
[12:09] <stu> hayden, change "ati" to "fglrx"
[12:09] <hayden> that all
[12:09] <DemisM> yes
[12:10] <hayden> hmm ok
[12:10] <stu> make sure you have fglrx in /etc/modules to
[12:10] <drspin> anyone up?
[12:10] <e_machinist> cool, will keep that link for the future DemisM.
[12:10] <stu> ^ not him
[12:10] <drspin> hehe
[12:10] <DemisM> yeah no prob...
[12:10] <hayden> yep
[12:10] <drspin> quick question: how can I make all files copied to /mnt/music have owner=me and group=music?
[12:10] <DemisM> stu: since you put that line in your modules file restart your comp
[12:11] <DemisM> if not I don't know what's up
[12:11] <stu> I just rebooted
[12:11] <DemisM> completely?
[12:11] <stu> the line was there already
[12:11] <stu> yeah,
[12:11] <DemisM> oh ok
[12:11] <DemisM> sigh
[12:11] <stu> xorg-driver-fglrx is already the newest version :/
[12:11] <stu> hmm
[12:12] <hgoesm> i have an xserver problem view failure in #vpnserver2005
[12:12] <drspin> I wish ATI would help out the OSS community a little
[12:12] <abelli> ciao
[12:12] <abelli> does someone here use fb with a 15.4 wxga?
[12:12] <DemisM> stu what did you do before we began speaking?
[12:13] <stu> used synaptic to get the package
[12:13] <stu> rebooted
[12:13] <stu> thats about it
[12:13] <queuetue> Is there a way to list which repository a package was installed from?
[12:13] <myosotis> tu n'es point venu ce matin
[12:13] <Ubabe> Anyone here use XMMS?
[12:13] <drspin> I use XMMS
[12:13] <goldfish> yep
[12:13] <myosotis> i do too
[12:14] <drspin> damn this is good KB :)
[12:15] <DemisM> stu: try loggin in and out see if it freezes you to
[12:15] <hgoesm> i installed ubuntu as server and now i wann have fluxbox but whene i type startx i get an error message!
[12:15] <Ubabe> im trying to get XMMS to find a mouted network HDD that i have hooked up vis SMB
[12:15] <DemisM> if it freezes reboot
[12:15] <stu> im looking through Xorg.0.log and cant see any mention of fglrx at all
[12:15] <drspin> Ubabe: is it in fstab?
[12:16] <DemisM> stu any errors?
[12:16] <stu> I lie, I found it manually the vim search function didn't find it for some reason
[12:16] <stu> (II) LoadModule: "fglrx"
[12:16] <stu> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.o
[12:16] <stu> (II) Module fglrx: vendor="FireGL - ATI Technologies Inc."
[12:16] <stu>         compiled for 4.3.99.902, module version = 8.8.25
[12:16] <stu>         Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[12:16] <stu>         ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 0.7
[12:16] <raziel_> how do I change the language after I`ve installed?
[12:17] <DemisM> stu: are you using hoary?
[12:17] <stu> aye
[12:17] <Ubabe> fstab??
[12:17] <MaRk-I> is the "host" name in the eth0 configuration important?? I changed it and it worked for a while but then I left it blank and alot of stuff wouldn't work
[12:17] <hayden> "/etc/fstab"
[12:17] <drspin> Ubabe: LOL -- # cat /etc/fstab
[12:17] <stu> you say a mounted, network HDD - what do you mean? you've connectd to it via SAMBA or what, Ubabe
[12:17] <drspin> Ubabe: it's a list of all the filesystems, their mount points, and their mount options
[12:17] <Ubabe> ahaaaa
[12:18] <Flonne> You shouldn't need to be root to cat fstab.
[12:18] <Ubabe> lemme try again then...
[12:18] <Ubabe> cool didnt knowit existed till just then :)
[12:18] <drspin> Flonne: I didn't use sudo -- but I guess hte "#" is for root and "$" is for not root
[12:18] <Ubabe> somebody on channel kept pointing me to /mnt ?!
[12:18] <DemisM> stu run glx_gears without the fglrx
[12:18] <stu> DemisM, (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:2:0:1) found
[12:18] <stu> ^ I think thats the cause
[12:19] <drspin> Ubabe: that may not be the solution but it's a possibility :: for help type $ man fstab
[12:19] <e_machinist> Time for sleep. Night everyone.
[12:19] <stu> DemisM, glxgears runs (always has) but I only get 300fps
[12:19] <queuetue> Is there a way to list all packages that are marked "local"?  I have a conflict with an unifficial repository - I've removed the entry from sources, but I'm not completely sure what was installed from there, so I don't know what to reinstall to get rid of it's presence...
[12:20] <Flonne> Yes, drspin.
[12:20] <stu> queuetue, have you tried dpkg -l ?
[12:20] <drspin> 3455 frames in 5.0 seconds = 691.000 FPS
[12:20] <drspin> 3413 frames in 5.0 seconds = 682.600 FPS
[12:20] <drspin> ugly :/
[12:20] <drspin> Flonne: thanks for the tip :)
[12:20] <queuetue> stu, I have, but does that indicate where a package came from?
[12:20] <queuetue> stu, It does not appear to for me.
[12:20] <stu> queuetue, I dont know
[12:21] <DemisM> stu: apt-get remove xorg-drivers-fglrx
[12:21] <stu> was just a suggestion :)
[12:21] <stu> DemisM, yeah I was thinking the same thing
[12:21] <DemisM> and then install it again :)
[12:21] <drspin> quick question: how can I make all files copied to /mnt/music have owner=me and group=music?
[12:21] <drspin> ^^^ for my fstab entry I mean
[12:21] <jcdenton> hi
[12:22] <krash3x> does anyone know any good media players that can play windows media off the internet
[12:22] <krash3x> hellow
[12:22] <krash3x> whats up
[12:22] <stu> DemisM, im gonna purge the config files to then reinstall, reboot, bbiab
[12:22] <DemisM> k
[12:23] <lunitik> krash3x: you need to fetch the correct codecs... http://wiki.ubuntu.org/RestrictedFormats
[12:23] <Ubabe> drspin, i dont have any fstab directory (?!)
[12:23] <DIndlo> hi\
[12:23] <drspin> Ubabe: it's not a directory
[12:24] <drspin> Ubabe: to edit it $ gedit /etc/fstab
[12:24] <lunitik> krash3x: yeah... uhh... don't message me
[12:24] <DIndlo> i have a bad bug on my freshly installed copy of haory ' when i restart the GUI jams but i can still move my mouse '
[12:24] <DIndlo> does anyone else have this problem
[12:25] <DIndlo> and i get stuck in ubuntu
[12:25] <drspin> DIndlo: do the logs say anything?
[12:25] <Xira> xcompmgr is neat
[12:25] <Xira> O_o
[12:25] <DIndlo> how do i check the log ?
[12:25] <DIndlo> will it log the error if i pull the power
[12:25] <DIndlo> without shutting donw ?
[12:25] <Jimbob> DIndlo: no
[12:26] <DIndlo> hmm
[12:26] <DIndlo> cause it basically jams
[12:26] <Jimbob> DIndlo: Unless it logged the error before you pull the plug, that is
[12:26] <DIndlo> and i cant do anythign
[12:26] <DIndlo> hmm
[12:26] <drspin> DIndlo: $ cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[12:26] <corza> get down with the sickness
[12:26] <DIndlo> ok i will try that
[12:26] <DIndlo> sec
[12:26] <stu> same error
[12:27] <DemisM> and you did a normal install right?
[12:27] <stu> I used apt-get
[12:27] <DemisM> so you did a base install
[12:27] <stu> Im gonna give up on this got packing and stuff to do
[12:27] <stu> base install ?
[12:27] <DemisM> and then used apt-get for everything else?
[12:27] <stu> oh u mean base install of hoary
[12:28] <stu> yes
[12:28] <DIndlo> Has anyone tried the KUbunutu pre release yet ?
[12:28] <DemisM> nah when you first installed, ubuntu
[12:28] <krash3x> I have
[12:29] <DemisM> you have a pci, ati?
[12:29] <stu> AGP
[12:29] <stu> hmm
[12:29] <DemisM> hmm... no idea
[12:29] <stu> do I need a AGP driver... cos xorg tells me about PCI cards
[12:29] <stu> yeah ok - thanks for your help
[12:29] <DemisM> atleast you're now using the fglrx drivers
[12:30] <DIndlo> drspin: i have no XFree86.0.log log file
[12:31] <DemisM> anyways, check around the bug track and type your error in, go to www.ubuntu.com and search the forums and howtos
[12:31] <lunitik> DIndlo: you're still using warty?  :/
[12:31] <DemisM> I reinstalled ubuntu about 4 times until everything was right
[12:31] <DemisM> but that's cause I fiddled with the wrong stuff, and didn't backup any files or anything
[12:32] <krash3x> I wish I could figure out how to fix my ati card on here everytime I do it I cant adjust the settings
[12:32] <DIndlo> lunitik: on hoary now
[12:32] <lunitik> DIndlo: grr... then its Xorg.0.log
[12:32] <DIndlo> lunitik : lol oops ok
[12:32] <universal> does someone know about point2play?
[12:32] <DemisM> DIndlo: you upgraded, or did you install hoary originally?
[12:33] <DIndlo> DemisM : did not upgrade
[12:33] <lunitik> DemisM: apparently fresh install of hoary... else he'd have that file
[12:33] <DemisM> lunitik: yeah, but his sentence confused me :) "on hoary now"
[12:34] <queuetue> Is there a way to list all packages that are marked "local"?  I have a conflict with an unofficial repository - I've removed the entry from sources, but I'm not completely sure what was installed from there, so I don't know what to reinstall to get rid of it's presence...
[12:35] <saber> Anyone here ever user the restore feature on BackupPC?
[12:36] <saber> Its failing for me, and i have no idea why.. i'm following the documentation to the word...
[12:37] <spiaggia> hello
[12:37] <queuetue> Is there no "find all packages not from the current repositories" command or script?
[12:37] <saber> there's a web interface, que
[12:38] <spiaggia> does anyone have a few minutes to help me with an installation problem?
[12:38] <waxhead> cya
[12:38] <queuetue> saber, where is this interface?
[12:38] <saber> search google
[12:39] <queuetue> saber, a google search will present em with a web interface to determine which packes on my system were not installed from official sources?  You're sure of that?
[12:40] <spiaggia> please?
[12:40] <saber> sorry i misunderstood your question
[12:40] <griffith> please help...
[12:40] <saber> you can write a simple script to do that
[12:40] <jono> hi all
[12:41] <queuetue> saber, How do I determine what repository a package came from?
[12:41] <jono> has someone broken X in hoary?
[12:41] <griffith> I've just got a new mb
[12:41] <queuetue> jono, what symptoms are you getting?  (mine was a little broken as well.)
[12:41] <griffith> and when I try to start ubuntu. nthing is working
[12:41] <griffith> and when I try the live cd
[12:41] <queuetue> griffith, what point *does* it get to?
[12:41] <jono> queuetue, my desktop is all skewed and the fonts are really fuzzy - it is unusable
[12:42] <griffith> neiter the mouse or keyboard will work
[12:42] <spiaggia> I am trying to keep my disk partitions containing an old RedHat Linux system and load Ubunto into those partitions.  But I don't understand the disk partition menu enough to do that.
[12:42] <saber> que, well you can check against your cd
[12:42] <seraphiel> what is the newest version I can apt-get to?
[12:42] <saber> after that it gets complicated, because you're need to search the web interface
[12:42] <lunitik> seraphiel: of what?
[12:43] <griffith> well. I can get ubuntu to start without x. but as my mouse or keyboard wont work I can't do much
[12:43] <queuetue> saber, So, apt does not store where packages come from?
[12:43] <jono> anyone here deal with the X packages
[12:43] <jono> is daniels not about?
[12:43] <lunitik> jono: no
[12:43] <nexus-> scizzo, you there?
[12:43] <lunitik> uhh... yes... he's not around...
[12:43] <griffith> my new mb is a msi based on the ati xpress 200 chipset
[12:43] <saber> i doubt it... that would be redundant
[12:44] <jono> hmmm, I wonder if other people are getting this X issue
[12:44] <lunitik> jono: what issue?
[12:44] <seraphiel> lunitik, is there an thing like putting unstable in sources.list in debian for ubuntu?
[12:44] <jono> lunitik, my desktop is all skewed and the fonts are really fuzzy - it is unusable
[12:44] <lunitik> seraphiel: yes... putting hoary in sources.list
[12:45] <Xira> How do I install this gdesklets theme?
[12:45] <Xira> where do I extract it to?
[12:45] <seraphiel> lunitik, is it very buggy?
[12:45] <lunitik> jono: deff not seeing that here...
[12:45] <lunitik> seraphiel: no... I'm using it...
[12:45] <Xira> anyone?
[12:46] <seraphiel> lunitik, so a apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade should do the trick?
[12:46] <lunitik> Xira: just drag to the gdesklets tool... or in the first menu I think... install new gdesklet
[12:46] <seraphiel> lunitik, after I put hoary in sources.list, of course
[12:46] <lunitik> seraphiel: umm... yeah
[12:47] <lunitik> seraphiel: this *is* debian... with a paid devel team.
[12:47] <saber> que, have you looked around /var/lib/dpkg?
[12:47] <lunitik> seraphiel: asking stupid questions when you obviously know the answer is rather annoying.
[12:47] <Xira> lunitik, huh?
[12:47] <p88> Hi all
[12:47] <queuetue> Is there a way to list all packages that are not from the current sources in sources.list?  I have a conflict with an unofficial repository - I've removed the entry from sources, but I'm not completely sure what was installed from there, so I don't know what to reinstall to get rid of it's presence...
[12:48] <p88> Are there people with a CMI8378 card?
[12:48] <seraphiel> lunitik, sorry
[12:48] <Xira> lunitik, i dont quite understand
[12:48] <lunitik> Xira: the tar.gz or whatever... the gdesklets manager tool handles those files...
[12:48] <scizzo> nexus-: now I am
[12:48] <Xira> how do i access the gdesklets manager tool
[12:49] <p88> I don't know the iobase of my card can I find out?
[12:49] <lunitik> Xira: applications > accessories > gDesklets or whatever last I checked
[12:49] <lunitik> Xira: it tells you about it in the gdesklets man page...
[12:51] <saber> que: cat available | grep ^Package | sed -e s/Package\:\ //g | sort
[12:51] <saber> it looks like those are the files available through apt-get
[12:52] <waxhead> re
[12:52] <waxhead> got better frame rate now!!!
[12:52] <waxhead> 8418 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1683.600 FPS
[12:52] <Dreamer3> wow, for a SLIM distro, DSL is pretty slick ;-)
[12:52] <USMarine> I got a question about the versions of these things
[12:52] <saber> que: you can compare that to: dpkg -l | awk '{ print $2}' | sort
[12:53] <saber> you can redirect the output of those scripts to files, and then use uniq
[12:53] <saber> to compare
[12:53] <USMarine> I have an amd athlon xp processor do I get the x86 version?
[12:53] <saber> yes
[12:53] <waxhead> USMarine, yes
[12:54] <lunitik> Dreamer3: irssi, bitchx, konversation, xchat ... all decent IRC clients do it...
[12:54] <nexus-> scizzo, oh yeah do you remember how to operate the server through the cli?
[12:54] <goldfish> IRSSI
[12:55] <goldfish> rules.
[12:55] <lunitik> Its an IRC client  :/
[12:55] <jono> whatis the name of the tool that lets you switch screen resolution in ubuntu?
[12:55] <goldfish> lunitik: heh
[12:55] <seraphiel> my apps is using a mix of Norwegian,Swedish and Danish.. is there a way to get it to use only Norwegian?
[12:56] <Dreamer3> lunitik: i'm using nirc, which comes with damn small linux :) it doesn't :)
[12:56] <jono> anyone?
[12:57] <lunitik> jono: no idea... its in Computer > Preferences though...
[12:57] <PacoBCN> somehow, my glx got fucked
[12:57] <PacoBCN> :S
[12:57] <jono> lunitik, yeah, I need to know what it is called so I can run it manually
[12:58] <jono> is it a general gnome thing?
[12:58] <gustav_> seraphiel: install language-support-no (if you use hoary)
[12:59] <seraphiel> gustav_, will try, thanks
[12:59] <waxhead> jono,  don't you just crtl-alt and '+' or '-' ?
[12:59] <waxhead> I think it's a xfree thing, not a separate program
[01:00] <jono> waxhead, that doesnt work for me
[01:00] <lunitik> jono: no mouse?
[01:00] <lunitik> jono: alt f1 goes to the menu...
[01:01] <waxhead> jono, you'd need to have multiple resolutions defined in the Xfree86 config to do it...
[01:01] <lunitik> waxhead: same thing with the tool he wants...
[01:02] <waxhead> lunitik, but if that's the case, then the + - thing should work shoulnd't it?
[01:02] <lunitik> waxhead: ps, haha @ you still being on warty...
[01:02] <St0n3-C0l> how do I burn an ISO image thru cdrecord
[01:03] <lunitik> waxhead: I've never seen that work... its supposed to though  :/
[01:03] <lunitik> St0n3-C0l: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc --data blah.iso
[01:04] <St0n3-C0l> it will boot na :P
[01:04] <EMan> I just completed the first part of the install, but when I reboot it goes to the Grub prompt Grub>
[01:04] <lunitik> St0n3-C0l: huh?
[01:04] <lunitik> St0n3-C0l: you can issue 'speed' too... but yeah...
[01:04] <phobosanger> hello does some one here uses Ovtave?
[01:04] <phobosanger> Octave*
[01:04] <hayden> can i apt-get ndiswrapper?
[01:05] <lunitik> hayden: sure... apt-get install ndiswrapper-source ndiswrapper-utils
[01:05] <PacoBCN> guys, I have a weird problem with nvidia drivers. I didn't have it yesterday :S
[01:05] <PacoBCN> glxgears
[01:05] <PacoBCN> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[01:05] <PacoBCN> glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.
[01:05] <St0n3-C0l> lunitik: I've never used cdrecord and k3b sum files are not in hoary repo
[01:05] <lunitik> St0n3-C0l: cool...
[01:05] <hayden> lunitik: k
[01:05] <siimo> PacoBCN, you got composite enabled?
[01:05] <St0n3-C0l> lunitik: DO I run it as root ?
[01:05] <PacoBCN> nop, I didn't
[01:06] <PacoBCN> siimo, but let me check again, you never know
[01:06] <lunitik> St0n3-C0l: I don't think it should matter anymore
[01:06] <siimo> PacoBCN, check if its enabled in xorg.conf that happens to me when i have it
[01:06] <lunitik> St0n3-C0l: if its saying Permission denied... then yes
[01:06] <PacoBCN> siimo, anyway, time ago I had it and it worked ok
[01:06] <St0n3-C0l> Thanks buddy
[01:07] <PacoBCN> siimo, no, there is no composite
[01:07] <waxhead> lunitik, eh? warty is fine... once hoary is stable, I'll dist-upgrade
[01:07] <St0n3-C0l> gonna leave Ubuntu soon :P
[01:08] <Seveas> waxhead, hoary is stable...
[01:08] <St0n3-C0l> Seveas: For us it is but not officially :P
[01:08] <PacoBCN> Seveas, that's what I thought untill I found this problem this morning
[01:08] <lunitik> waxhead: hoary is stable... just hasn't been released as such yet...
[01:08] <Seveas> PacoBCN, what problem?
[01:08] <waxhead> at which point, I'll be on here asking what I have to change in my sources.list to dist-upgrade.. :)
[01:08] <waxhead> lunitik, is it?
[01:09] <PacoBCN> Seveas, I have no HW grph acceleration now
[01:09] <lunitik> waxhead: s/warty/hoary/ in sources.list
[01:09] <lunitik> waxhead: very
[01:09] <Seveas> waxhead, easy updating: sudo sed -i -e 's/warty/hoary' /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:10] <St0n3-C0l> lunitik: It'll write in maximum speed ?
[01:10] <lunitik> St0n3-C0l: define speed=
[01:10] <lunitik> St0n3-C0l: it defaults to something stupid like 3  :/
[01:10] <Seveas> PacoBCN, ati or nvidia?
[01:10] <St0n3-C0l> suits me
[01:10] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[01:11] <PacoBCN> Seveas, nvidia, I just had untill this morning
[01:11] <waxhead> Seveas, thanks...
[01:11] <waxhead> then it's just apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade?
[01:11] <lunitik> Seveas: ps, show off
[01:11] <lunitik> waxhead: uhh... yeah
[01:12] <Seveas> lunitik, what?
[01:12] <lunitik> Seveas: showing people sed in here  :P
[01:12] <Seveas> ghe
[01:13] <waxhead> lunitik, if it helps, it wasn't right... missing the terminating / for the regex...
[01:13] <waxhead> Seveas, but I do appreciate the command though...
[01:14] <St0n3-C0l> A person who is a guru of Linux...looks like total frEaK but h0w Linus Torvalds looks like :P
[01:14] <Seveas> waxhead, you're right
[01:14] <PacoBCN> restarting
[01:14] <lunitik> St0n3-C0l: you mean a guru of gnu... not too many people in here play with linux extensively...
[01:15] <St0n3-C0l> yeah
[01:15] <St0n3-C0l> i know
[01:15] <lunitik> (and no, compiling it every release doesn't count...)
[01:16] <St0n3-C0l> I've got a movie "The Code Linux"
[01:16] <St0n3-C0l> All Linux gurus looks like 500B.C peeps :P
[01:17] <waxhead> lunitik, Seveas, well.. 490meg to go...
[01:17] <lunitik> waxhead: heh... yeah... getting a preview CD would be faster...
[01:17] <lunitik> waxhead: you might run into python related and X related issues too...
[01:17] <waxhead> lunitik, I'll live with it.. :)
[01:18] <waxhead> lunitik, WHAT!!!!! I just sorted that out tonight... got decent frame rates with my readeon card.. :(
[01:18] <lunitik> waxhead: hah... XFree86 > Xorg
[01:19] <PacoBCN> no luck, still without nvidia
[01:19] <lunitik> (> = to in this case... Xorg > XFree86...)
[01:20] <waxhead> lunitik, what do you mean?
[01:20] <waxhead> I thought warty was xorg...
[01:20] <lunitik> waxhead: hoary transitioned from xfree86 to xorg...
[01:20] <lunitik> no
[01:20] <Seveas> warty is xfree
[01:23] <waxhead> oh right...
[01:23] <waxhead> that's ok.. the page has instructions on how to get it working with xorg...
[01:24] <Seveas> waxhead, ati?
[01:24] <Seveas> siimo, grumpy?
[01:24] <lunitik> Seveas: Grumpy Groundhog... the release after hoary...
[01:24] <siimo> Seveas, i read on the forums grumpy will be like debian unstable - continually rolling never will be stable
[01:25] <siimo> lunitik, no its breezy badger
[01:25] <Seveas> lunitik, the next is breezy badger
[01:25] <Seveas> siimo, right, but that us a project that is *to-do*
[01:25] <PacoBCN> someone's doing a big mess
[01:25] <siimo> oh well..
[01:25] <Seveas> PacoBCN, howcome?
[01:26] <lunitik> siimo: ahh... I hope they don't do that... sid is the reason Debian never see releases
[01:26] <PacoBCN> Seveas, well, now it looks like I can't run nvidia drivers in 686 kernel
[01:26] <siimo> ill get on whatever devel branch they put on. but then its too unstable - unless i somehow manage to hold gnome 2.10 packages and upgrade rest
[01:26] <Seveas> PacoBCN, that's odd
[01:26] <Arnia> I think Grumpy is just the generic term for the development of the next version
[01:26] <PacoBCN> Seveas, it forces me to install 386, which it didn't until yesterday
[01:26] <lunitik> siimo: look into pinning
[01:27] <Arnia> So Breezy is grumpy atm
[01:27] <Seveas> PacoBCN, have you read the guide on the wiki?
[01:27] <siimo> yeah
[01:27] <PacoBCN> Seveas, guide of what?
[01:27] <Arnia> (or it will be grumpy soon)
[01:27] <lunitik> i guess pinning is 'man apt_preferences', or add testing and unstable lines to sources.list, create /etc/apt/preferences containing "Package: *\nPin: release a=testing\nPin-Priority: 900\n\nPackage: *\nPin: release o=Debian\nPin-Priority: -10\n", then apt-get install foo/unstable, or at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/4/mail#1, or read ...
[01:27] <Seveas> paco: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:28] <PacoBCN> well, unless this was written today it looks pretty odd anyway
[01:28] <PacoBCN> anyway, Seveas, I use Ubuntu since warty was beta
[01:28] <Seveas> PacoBCN, /me too
[01:28] <PacoBCN> Seveas, and I installed it like 10 times, already
[01:28] <Seveas> lol
[01:28] <PacoBCN> and only now I see this horrible problem
[01:29] <Seveas> PacoBCN, what exactly happens
[01:29] <Seveas> ?
[01:29] <waxhead> Seveas, yeah.. ATI
[01:29] <PacoBCN> somehow, th glx doesn't work anymore
[01:29] <garrut> after kernel upgrade?
[01:29] <PacoBCN> I checked the xorg.conf and it was the same
[01:30] <PacoBCN> so I deleted nvidia-glx and reinstalled it
[01:30] <PacoBCN> but I noticed it installes 386 kernel
[01:30] <jw_ma_ke> how would i go about making a ubuntu machine automatically shut down should no user log in once it has booted up and a specific computer on the LAN is not turned on?
[01:31] <Seveas> jw_ma_ke, cronjob?
[01:31] <Seveas> let it run every minute
[01:31] <Seveas> make it shutdown when ping gives errors and there are no users
[01:32] <waxhead> jw_ma_ke, bash script to ping the other server and run it from cron maybe?
[01:32] <Seveas> waxhead, copycat ;)
[01:32] <PacoBCN> glxgears
[01:32] <PacoBCN> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[01:32] <PacoBCN> glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.
[01:32] <PacoBCN> I hate it!
[01:33] <jw_ma_ke> waxhead + seveas: how would i go about doing that? any guides?
[01:33] <Seveas> jw_ma_ke, have you created shellscripts before?
[01:33] <PacoBCN> restarting again...
[01:33] <jw_ma_ke> are those sh scripts? sorry, bit new to this
[01:34] <jw_ma_ke> am more used to windows scripting/coding
[01:35] <nqn> how do I install ubuntu from a hd?
[01:35] <waxhead> Seveas, well I was going to say do it in perl.. but I always say that
[01:35] <Seveas> waxhead, perl is overkill
[01:35] <jw_ma_ke> how would i get the result from a ping?
[01:35] <waxhead> jw_ma_ke, then you'll find bash so much more advanced than anyhting on windows
[01:35] <Seveas> jw_ma_ke, hold on
[01:35] <jw_ma_ke> haha ok thanks
[01:35] <waxhead> Seveas, maybe...
[01:36] <waxhead> Seveas, depends on what else you want to add to the script later
[01:36] <Seveas> :)
[01:36] <jw_ma_ke> theres nothing else to be run except that - as long as the other computer isnt on and no local user logs into ubuntu it should shut donw
[01:36] <hayden> im having problems with my wifi card, ndiswrapper and the kde control center
[01:37] <waxhead> jw_ma_ke, the hardest part will be knowing what commands to use to do what you want
[01:38] <jw_ma_ke> waxhead - any tips?..
[01:38] <waxhead> typically the reason I use perl, is that I find pipelining things like awk, cut etc painful....
[01:38] <waxhead> jw_ma_ke, but I do it when I have to
[01:38] <waxhead> jw_ma_ke, dunno.. try 'w' or 'who' to see who's on line
[01:38] <waxhead> jw_ma_ke, ermm.. logged in even
[01:42] <saber> oooo
[01:42] <saber> i've never seen an ipv6 address before
[01:42] <PacoBCN> last chapter of nvidia weird behavior
[01:43] <PacoBCN> looks like I'll be forced to use 386 instead of 686 because nvidia won't run on 686
[01:43] <Hmmmm> how does warty perform on an amd64?
[01:45] <hayden> what password do i use to get into administrator mode in settings in KDE control center
[01:46] <Jerub> what's a good voip client for ubuntu?
[01:46] <Hmmmm> Jerub, u mean like a software SIP fone?
[01:46] <waxhead> Jerub, gnome meeting?
[01:46] <chealer> hi guys, I'm revising a doc about linux and would like to know the official denomination for a ".deb package" (not necessarily a Real Debian package). could someone $ file ubuntupackage.deb and tell me if it says "Debian binary package (format 2.0), uses gzip compression" or something else?
[01:46] <Jerub> waxhead: gnome meeting is h232, stoneage technology.
[01:46] <Jerub> Hmmmm: yes.
[01:46] <Jerub> h323 rather.
[01:47] <chealer> hayden: your root password
[01:47] <kain> does anyone know why I installed enlightenment in ubuntu hoary, added an enlightenment.desktop file under /usr/share/xsessions, killed gdm, started the session with enlightenment and instead of it gdm runs gnome again?
[01:47] <chealer> hayden: if you're trying to setup your keyboard layout...think about it when typing ;)
[01:47] <waxhead> kain, startx starts gdm?
[01:47] <kain> waxhead, yes
[01:48] <hayden> no...
[01:48] <kain> wait
[01:48] <waxhead> kain, might that be the problem then?
[01:48] <kain> usually I use gdm
[01:48] <hayden> where do u set root password
[01:48] <kain> on startx commands
[01:48] <waxhead> kain, I really odn't know.. just guessing...
[01:48] <chealer> hayden: you set it at install time
[01:48] <kain> last time I tried it runs gnome,but
[01:48] <hayden> in ubuntu?
[01:48] <hayden> u dont set a root password
[01:48] <hayden> u set a user password
[01:49] <Seveas> chealer, you dont
[01:49] <kain> that's strange it keeps running gnome even the exec command is /usr/bin/enlightenment
[01:49] <Seveas> you set a user password
[01:49] <Seveas> not a root password
[01:49] <kain> wait, maybe the command is wrong, I'll check
[01:49] <Seveas> hayden: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:49] <chealer> ok...I'll be out of here as soon as I have the answer to my question :)
[01:49] <kain> and yes, it was enlightentment17 insted of enlightenment
[01:49] <Seveas> chealer, and that question is? ( i missed it)
[01:49] <kain> must try again
[01:50] <chealer> Seveas: I'm revising a doc about linux and would like to know the official denomination for a ".deb package" (not necessarily a Real Debian package). could someone $ file ubuntupackage.deb and tell me if it says "Debian binary package (format 2.0), uses gzip compression" or something else?
[01:50] <Seveas> dennis@mirage ~/packages/menueditor $ file menueditor_0.4.2ubuntu1_all.deb
[01:50] <Seveas> menueditor_0.4.2ubuntu1_all.deb: Debian binary package (format 2.0), uses gzip compression
[01:50] <chealer> thanks Seveas
[01:51] <Seveas> yw
[01:51] <venom> hey all
[01:51] <Seveas> what's the doc about?
[01:51] <chealer> Seveas: TLDP's Intro-Linux
[01:51] <Seveas> nice
[01:51] <chealer> needs a good update
[01:51] <venom> can someone please help me with my amsn
[01:51] <Seveas> i see,, if i can help with something else, let me know
[01:52] <Alexmipego> hi
[01:52] <chealer> Seveas: well, I didn't find that guide in Debian. you wouldn't happen to know why? or if it's in ubuntu, even
[01:52] <Jerub> oh, yay.
[01:52] <Jerub> shtoom is working for me, I just had a crap PYTHONPATH.
[01:52] <UniVolstrup> hi there... I'm currently using Debian but would like to change to Ubuntu... Is it possible for me to use the Ubuntu package tree as addition to Debians now?
[01:52] <Jerub> nevermind, I've got a decent sip phone now :)0
[01:53] <Alexmipego> when I build a kernel isn't make install supposed to make a initrd.img-X.X.X file?
[01:53] <chealer> Seveas: usually TLDP docs are in doc-linux*
[01:53] <jc-denton> does the ubuntu 5 include beagle?
[01:53] <Seveas> jc-denton, 5.04 not
[01:53] <Seveas> 5.10 maybe (it's a release goal)
[01:53] <venom> im using ubuntu, and on amsn peoples display pics dont show up :S does any 1 no how to fix that
[01:54] <Arnia> And Simias
[01:54] <Alexmipego> can anyone anwser me please?
[01:54] <jc-denton> 5.04 is that prerelease?
[01:55] <jc-denton> and 5.10 should be the stable release?
[01:55] <jc-denton> am i right?
[01:55] <hayden> no
[01:55] <Arnia> No... 5.04 is the release of April (04) 2005
[01:55] <Seveas> Alexmipego, makeinitrd
[01:55] <chealer> you won't tell me that there's no channel bot yet? :)
[01:55] <jc-denton> no beagle there?
[01:55] <Seveas> 5.10 is the october (10) one
[01:55] <Arnia> 5.10 is October (10), 2005
[01:56] <jc-denton> oh :(
[01:56] <Alexmipego> Seveas, I have to do that manually?
[01:56] <jc-denton> can i apt-get it?
[01:56] <Seveas> Alexmipego, yes
[01:56] <Alexmipego> Seveas, ok thanks
[01:56] <Seveas> jc-denton, probably not, definitely not from the official ubuntu repos
[01:57] <chealer> Seveas: thanks
[01:57] <jc-denton> humm
[01:57] <corza> heyyyyyyyyyyy guys :)
[01:57] <Seveas> hai corza
[01:58] <hayden> is there a way to enable a wireless card manually
[01:58] <corza> hai Seveas
[01:58] <Seveas> hayden, sure :)
[01:58] <waxhead> hayden, ifdown/ifup and the iterface for your wireless nic should do it
[01:59] <Seveas> waxhead, not neccessarily
[01:59] <Seveas> if things faile: ifconfig up :)
[01:59] <waxhead> for me it's ifdown ath0 and ifup ath0
[01:59] <nexus-> Seveas, I'm still getting operation not supported after upgrading linux386 :\
[01:59] <waxhead> Seveas, sure...
[01:59] <Seveas> nexus-, ouch
[01:59] <Seveas> looks like ipw2100 needs an update then (the programmers should do that ;))
[02:00] <Seveas> or is anybody here familiar with ipw2100 and wpa?
[02:00] <nexus-> Seveas, its really weird though since ipw2100 is shipped alot as part of centrino
[02:00] <Spun> Hi all
[02:00] <corza> hey Spun
[02:00] <Seveas> nexus-, i know, i am stunned too
[02:00] <Spun> I got a question
[02:00] <nexus-> Seveas, well i'll have fun recompiling the kernel this week and see how it goes :)
[02:01] <Seveas> nexus-, you can try asking for help at the hostap@shmoo.com mailing list
[02:01] <venom> can someone help me with my amsn problem please
[02:01] <nexus-> Seveas, okay great. thanks
[02:01] <Seveas> the wpa_supplicant developers (Jouni Malinen) is on that list
[02:01] <Seveas> Spun, than ask :)
[02:01] <Spun> I need to uninstall Ubuntu, How does that go? :P
[02:01] <Seveas> lol
[02:02] <nexus-> can anyone get java.sun.com?
[02:02] <njan> Spun, What do you mean, uninstall ubuntu?
[02:02] <Seveas> Spun, shoo, go away :)
[02:02] <Seveas> but yeah, answer njans question :)
[02:02] <NermalLaptop> Spun, fdisk
[02:02] <Seveas> nexus-, timeout....
[02:03] <njan> NermalLaptop, that would be a great idea.. especially if he's dual-booting windows and he wipes out /boot - grub would love that :p
[02:03] <waxhead> let's all sing "fdisk format re-install do dah do dah..."
[02:03] <Funraiser> hi there! i can't find where to download adobe reader 7 , somebody knows?
[02:03] <Seveas> waxhead, that's the evil windows dance :)
[02:03] <nexus-> Spun, i suppose you need to replace your current grub with another bootloader first (assuming you're using ubuntu's) and then just delete the partition.
[02:03] <Seveas> Funraiser, on adobe.com :)
[02:03] <Funraiser> nope
[02:03] <Funraiser> not there
[02:03] <Funraiser> for linux i mean
[02:03] <Funraiser> of course
[02:04] <Seveas> http://ardownload.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/unix/7x/7.0/enu/AdbeRdr70_linux_enu.tar.gz
[02:04] <Funraiser> thanks
[02:04] <nexus-> argh, isp is real dodgy today
[02:04] <Funraiser> do i have to uninstall adobe reader 5 first?
[02:05] <Seveas> Funraiser, no
[02:05] <Seveas> but you should :)
[02:05] <Seveas> the 5.0 is ugly
[02:05] <Funraiser> how do i uninstall it?
[02:05] <Funraiser> it is ugly
[02:05] <Spun> Ow, shit
[02:05] <Spun> Connection got lost :P
[02:06] <Spun> I need to install Suse :P and remove Ubuntu =p
[02:06] <waxhead> Seveas, it's evil becuase that's what I'm contemplating doing with my desktop, because there's no sane way to "fix" the MBR
[02:06] <nexus-> Spun, you can install SuSE over ubuntu's partition(s)
[02:06] <waxhead> Spun, just do it over the top then
[02:06] <nexus-> it will solve all bootloader problems as well
[02:06] <USMarine> Does anyone know how to fix the x server I got a message that my xserver doesnt support resizing or rotating the display. please update to version 4.3 or greater.  you need the x resize and rotate extentsion (RANDR) version 1.1 or greater to use this feature
[02:06] <nexus-> and why do you want SuSE? it doesn't have a package manager (at least from the top of my head) :P
[02:06] <waxhead> if you're smart you have a separate /home so all your setting won't get lost
[02:07] <Funraiser> Seveas how can i uninstall adobe 5?
[02:07] <waxhead> Spun, I changed distros all the time... not so much now though
[02:07] <Spun> I know, but i want to remove Ubuntu first  :P (Got a little project)
[02:08] <nexus-> rm -rf /* ?
[02:08] <nexus-> :P
[02:08] <nexus-> it'll remove most anyway
[02:08] <Funraiser> somebody knows how to uninstall adobe reader?
[02:09] <massi> Funraiser: how did you install it?
[02:09] <Funraiser> apt-get i think
[02:09] <massi> then use synapse and remove it :-)
[02:10] <Funraiser> apt-get install acroread
[02:10] <Albacker> apt-get install gpdf
[02:10] <massi> you should see it in the list of installed packages in synapse
[02:11] <massi> there's a popup menu with the "remove" option then
[02:11] <Funraiser> massi well that's easy thanks!
[02:11] <Alexmipego> why can't I access applications:/// on nautilus?
[02:11] <scizzo> Alexmipego: using hoary?
[02:12] <scizzo> Alexmipego: or more slightly...gnome 2.10.0?
[02:12] <Albacker> Funraiser, you can use apt-get remove acroread
[02:12] <Alexmipego> 2.10 in ubuntu 5.04
[02:12] <scizzo> Alexmipego: then that option is not available
[02:13] <Alexmipego> why?
[02:13] <Funraiser> albacker thanks
[02:13] <massi> Albacker: a question on apt (I'm new to debian based distros): how do I check if a package has been installed properly?
[02:13] <Ubabe> anyone jere know how t configure fstab?
[02:13] <scizzo> Alexmipego: ask the gnome people...
[02:14] <Alexmipego> ok
[02:14] <Albacker> massi, dunno with apt, but use. whereis packagename
[02:14] <johnnybezak> Ubabe: theres prolly a man page
[02:15] <massi> Albacker; thanks, but my problem is different: the package appears installed in synapse, but the files are not there :-(
[02:15] <Albacker> massi, I think that the packages .deb you get with apt-get are here : /var/cache/apt/archives .   You could use "find /var/cache/apt/archives | grep package_name" without quotes
[02:15] <massi> BTW, the package is tuxracer-data
[02:15] <Ubabe> thanks johnnybezak
[02:16] <Albacker> if the package is there it means you have downloaded it : masi. not sure if it is installed anymore, or just do "find / | grep tuxracer-data"
[02:16] <Albacker> and it will search the / "root" for that filename.
[02:17] <massi> Hmmm... the .deb is not in the cache, but I know it should have been installed
[02:17] <n3x> does anyone recommend a good howto for recompiling kernel on hoary ?
[02:18] <massi> at least it appeatr so in synaptic, but its files are not on the HD
[02:18] <Albacker> massi, try the find / | grep tuxracer-data
[02:18] <resiak> massi: less /usr/share/doc/tuxracer-data/README
[02:18] <Seveas> massi with dpkg -l you can see what you installed
[02:18] <resiak> dpkg -L
[02:18] <resiak> (upper-case L)
[02:18] <Albacker> massi, what is the synaptic for ?
[02:18] <Albacker> never heard about it.
[02:18] <resiak> Albacker: GTK+ apt frontend.
[02:19] <Albacker> resiak, what do you use it for ?
[02:19] <massi> synaptic is the graphical tool to manage packages
[02:19] <Seveas> resiak, that is for listing files within a package
[02:19] <Seveas> dpkg -l lists installed packages
[02:19] <Albacker> massi, I dont think you need it.
[02:20] <Albacker> massi, less GUI [graphical user interface]  much better !
[02:20] <resiak> Seveas: Yeah, but he claims that it's installed but that the files are dead. Point taken, though.
[02:20] <Albacker> hi zeedo :)
[02:20] <massi> i'm new here, coming from FC2, but I am already experienced in Linux... dpkg -L was what I was really looking for, thanks!
[02:20] <zeedo> hey
[02:20] <Seveas> apt-get install --reinstall packagename :)
[02:20] <resiak> Albacker: I use it for seeing if it doesn't suck yet, shaking my head, running away screaming, and returning to aptitude.
[02:21] <p88> hi all
[02:22] <xulin> hi
[02:22] <Seveas> hello p88, xulin
[02:22] <massi> OK, thanks everybody, this is fixed!
[02:22] <johnnybezak> any of you guys installed hula
[02:23] <xulin> why this is not the last version of nvidia ? in hoary ?
[02:23] <massi> To save time, I kept my home partition... it turned out that my old configuration files were wrong here :-(
[02:23] <xulin> cauz me seen that last version can xrandr rotate and want to test but .. outdated version in hoary :/
[02:25] <johns^> 3
[02:25] <Sav> Anyone know an program that can create .sfv files?
[02:25] <resiak> Sav: What's a .sfv file?
[02:26] <Seveas> Sav, i only know windows programs for that
[02:26] <Seveas> resiak, sort of crc
[02:26] <saber> Anyone here ever use BackupPC?!
[02:27] <Sav> damn =(
[02:27] <resiak> Seveas: That really doesn't cut it ... :-/
[02:27] <resiak> Seveas: Sorry, confused you with Sav, who should have been more specific in h(is|er) question, whereas you were being helpful.
[02:28] <Seveas> ok resiak, i was wondering already :)
[02:28] <resiak> Seveas: Heh. :)
[02:29] <Seveas> resiak, sav: http://dreamlover.tecbox.com/faqsfv.htm
[02:30] <deltaex> jemand da?
[02:30] <Seveas> nein, keiner
[02:30] <deltaex> gg
[02:31] <Seveas> :)
[02:31] <deltaex> du wie rechne ich das aus?  17 mb in 2.19 sekunden wieviel mb pro sekunde?
[02:32] <deltaex> 17 mb in 2.19 minuten
[02:32] <Seveas> 17 / (2 * 60 + 19)
[02:32] <Seveas> das ist megaBytes pro sekunde
[02:32] <Seveas> (17 * 8) / (2 * 60 + 19)
[02:33] <Seveas> megabits pro sekunde
[02:33] <Seveas> uebrigens: man sprich hier english :)
[02:33] <johnnybezak> warum willst du das ueberhaupt wissen
[02:36] <jboss> hi
[02:36] <johnnybezak> hey man
[02:36] <SiRrUs> hello
[02:37] <garrut> tss dan goan ik lekker urrekers proaten
[02:37] <deltaex> muss hier auf der firma ein performence test machen
[02:37] <dwa_> ja ik ok man
[02:37] <dwa_> 'allo allemoal
[02:37] <garrut> jaja
[02:38] <dwa_> oe likt t doar?
[02:38] <johnnybezak> deltaaex: ok cool
[02:39] <dwa_> me 2 :)
[02:40] <vpalle> cant get fileroller to extrar rar archives in hoary, used to work in warty..
[02:40] <johnnybezak> i wonder why people are so touchy about that? (languages i mean)
[02:41] <kbrooks> because english is the universal language, that's why
[02:41] <Seveas> vpalle, have you instaled unrar-nonfree
[02:41] <johnnybezak> kbrooks: what do you mean
[02:41] <vpalle> Seveas, yes
[02:41] <dwa_> johnnybezak : not everybody speaks german...
[02:41] <Seveas> garrut, bah, urk
[02:42] <johnnybezak> dwa_: granted but why does it matter if people do speak german in the english channel
[02:42] <Seveas> vpalle, well then I can't help you, I heard that people got it working with that, never did it myself
[02:42] <SiRrUs> as well there are many Ubuntu language specific channels
[02:42] <vpalle> Seveas, ok thx anyway
[02:42] <Seveas> vpalle, maybe apt-get install --reinstall unrar-nonfree works
[02:43] <dwa_> johnnybezak : because if you speak a universal language everyone can understand (and possibly help) you
[02:43] <SiRrUs> :)
[02:43] <Seveas> dwa_, german is as universal as english :)
[02:43] <johnnybezak> dwa_: *if* being the big if here :)
[02:43] <dwa_> not on the internet
[02:44] <johnnybezak> obligatory jay and silent bob quote:
[02:44] <johnnybezak> the internet what the f*ck is the internet
[02:44] <Seveas> :o)
[02:44] <deltaex> wie 2 * 2,90 ??
[02:44] <deltaex> wieso
[02:44] <housetier> I have seen an internet the other day
[02:44] <dwa_> *sigh*
[02:44] <johnnybezak> dwa_: hehe :)
[02:45] <housetier> it was big and blurry, I couldnt really make it out
[02:45] <johnnybezak> what colour was it?
[02:46] <kbrooks> LOL
[02:46] <Fu2|xAz> germany sucks
[02:46] <johnnybezak> Fu2|xAz: -1 flamebait :)
[02:46] <Seveas> your sister too
[02:46] <Seveas> -1 flamecatch, i know
[02:47] <johnnybezak> hehehe
[02:47] <dwa_> well he's right you know..
[02:47] <garrut> lol
[02:47] <dwa_> ;)
[02:47] <Seveas> germany is ok
[02:47] <sii> how/when is hoary universe synched with debian unstable?
[02:47] <Seveas> too bad that there live so many germans though :)
[02:48] <johnnybezak> woah where is the Ubuntu in this channel
[02:48] <Seveas> sii, hoary universe will not be synced anymore
[02:48] <sii> Seveas: mkay, thanks
[02:48] <Seveas> definitely not after release, little chance that there will be a sync before release
[02:48] <topyli> johnnybezak: it's "around"
[02:48] <Seveas> johnnybezak, in the topic :)
[02:48] <johnnybezak> haha
[02:49] <johnnybezak> well i think its time to bring it back into the channel
[02:49] <johnnybezak> :)
[02:49] <Seveas> cat /etc/issue
[02:49] <Roben> when will the stable version of Hoary be out?
[02:49] <topyli> Roben: Real Soon Now (TM)
[02:50] <Seveas> 8 days from now
[02:50] <topyli> there's a release schedule on the wiki
[02:50] <johnnybezak> i hope they stop firefox from completely sucking like it has been
[02:50] <USMarine> hey does anyone have an ati.config file I can barrow lol?
[02:51] <Seveas> you mean xorg.conf USMarine ?
[02:51] <johnnybezak> whats the release after hoary?
[02:52] <Roben> breezy badger
[02:52] <johnnybezak> is it really?
[02:52] <Seveas> yes
[02:52] <Seveas> sabdfl told so :)
[02:53] <johnnybezak> hehe crazy ubuntu names
[02:53] <padlefot> hehe
[02:54] <padlefot> when is breezy supposed to be released then?
[02:54] <Seveas> october
[02:54] <Seveas> there's a release every 6 months
[02:54] <Seveas> so every april and october
[02:54] <padlefot> anyone speak french here?
[02:54] <johnnybezak> oui
[02:54] <Seveas> padlefot, #ubuntu-fr
[02:54] <Seveas> et moi aussi (p'tit peu)
[02:54] <padlefot> and can tell me what "Tout c'qu'on connait" means
[02:55] <johnnybezak> all that one know
[02:55] <johnnybezak> s
[02:55] <padlefot> thanx =)
[02:55] <johnnybezak> np
[02:55] <johnnybezak> thatll be 10$ btw
[02:55] <Seveas> lol
[02:55] <Seveas> $$$$$ $$$$$
[02:55] <Seveas> it's on me :)
[02:55] <padlefot> hehe
[02:55] <johnnybezak> hehe
[03:02] <USMarine> how do I reinstall the xserver?
[03:02] <corza> How do I enable java on mozilla-firefox?? i done everything it said on the java page but it seems to not have worked
[03:02] <Nermal> corza, ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[03:02] <Nermal> and the next entry
[03:03] <Nermal> though switch the 01 to 02 in the filename
[03:03] <Nermal> as a new version is available on java.sun.com
[03:04] <Roben> It is so strange, I've installed java in firefox, but even when I've clicked in and enabled Java in preference, it don't work.
[03:05] <GhostFreeman> guys i'm having problems getting any packages from synaptic
[03:05] <Nermal> Roben, see above
[03:05] <Seveas> GhostFreeman, what is the problem?
[03:05] <GhostFreeman> Any time I want to get a package, i get these dependecy errors
[03:05] <Roben> Nermal: But I've done that. But it still doesn't work.
[03:06] <GhostFreeman> i'll pm them if you can make sense of them
[03:06] <Seveas> ok
[03:06] <Nermal> Roben, oh.. works fine here
[03:06] <Seveas> GhostFreeman, dcc is not pm
[03:07] <Nermal> but like I said, the filenames are different than in the guide now
[03:07] <GhostFreeman> sorry
[03:07] <Seveas> warty or hoary?
[03:07] <Roben> Nermal: yeah.
[03:07] <GhostFreeman> warty
[03:07] <Seveas> GhostFreeman, can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list in the PM
[03:08] <GhostFreeman> yeah
[03:09] <Seveas> GhostFreeman, remve the marilat testing line
[03:10] <Seveas> them remove /var/cache/pkgcache.bin
[03:10] <Seveas> run sudo apt-get update
[03:10] <Seveas> and retry :)
[03:10] <GhostFreeman> ok
[03:10] <Seveas> wait
[03:10] <Seveas> remove marillat uunstable
[03:10] <Seveas> testing is ok
[03:10] <Seveas> unstable is only for hoary
[03:11] <GhostFreeman> the sources file is read only
[03:11] <GhostFreeman> how do I fix this
[03:11] <jnoreiko> just managed to mount my windows partition... woohoo! :)
[03:11] <GhostFreeman> oh right...sudo
[03:11] <Seveas> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list :)
[03:11] <rodnarms> How do I get my laptop to sleep when I close the lid on my Powerbook G4?
[03:13] <GhostFreeman> I don't see a pkgcache.bin in here, is that ok
[03:13] <GhostFreeman> i see one in /var/cache/apt
[03:13] <Seveas> yeah, that's the one
[03:14] <GhostFreeman> ok
[03:14] <nexus-> is there a power management tool for ubuntu?
[03:14] <Ores> does anyone know why i appear to have a /.dev directory?
[03:14] <nexus-> and hibernate seems to just .. do nothing except lock the screen
[03:14] <Seveas> Ores, yes
[03:15] <Seveas> Ores, that is the backup of the static /dev
[03:15] <Ores> ok
[03:15] <Seveas> in Ubuntu /dev is managed by udev
[03:15] <GhostFreeman> whats the console command to delete a file
[03:16] <nexus-> GhostFreeman, rm
[03:16] <GhostFreeman> ok
[03:16] <GhostFreeman> thanks
[03:16] <johnnybezak> apm is the power management stuff i think
[03:16] <ggi> rodnarms: If you're running hoary, it should just work. It does on my iBook G4. Resuming, however, is another matter.
[03:16] <nexus-> GhostFreeman, man rm first though :P
[03:16] <queuetue> GhostFreeman, I would suggest you go get a basic unix turtoial before proceeding.
[03:16] <queuetue> s/tortorial/tutorial/
[03:16] <nexus-> oh crap, apm is not compiled in the ubuntu kernel
[03:16] <Ores> ok, the other weird thing i've noticed recently is that i have this window that doesn't redraw, doesn't have a name and won't die with xkill
[03:16] <GhostFreeman> you mean
[03:16] <GhostFreeman> read the manual
[03:17] <nexus-> GhostFreeman, yeah. especially for commands like rm ;)
[03:17] <jnoreiko> shock! nobody reads the manual!
[03:17] <johnnybezak> GhostFreeman: "rm filename" will delete a file
[03:17] <GhostFreeman> ok
[03:17] <johnnybezak> rmdir directory will delete an empty directory
[03:17] <johnnybezak> rm -rf directory will delete a directory and all its contents
[03:18] <johnnybezak> (be careful with that last one :) )
[03:18] <GhostFreeman> That didn't change anything, guys
[03:18] <GhostFreeman> I even sudo apt-get
[03:18] <Seveas> and for newbies: always alias rm to rm -i :)
[03:18] <GhostFreeman> but when I try to get a package it still gives me the same depends
[03:18] <johnnybezak> GhostFreeman: what are you referring to?
[03:18] <Seveas> GhostFreeman, paste the output of apt-cache show beep-media-player in the PM
[03:19] <rizla> hello folks
[03:19] <queuetue> Hi there - The latest update has somehow got gnome in a state where it will not start.  It brings up the panels, but places nothing on them, and never progresses further.  I am running ubuntu-hoary with two displays (not xinerama) and this configuration was working for for weeks.  I just restarted, and am not sure what has changed...
[03:19] <rizla> i have a problem with dcgui. anybody use it?
[03:19] <elcu> Any opengl programmers out there?
[03:19] <Seveas> GhostFreeman, and: sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*
[03:19] <Seveas> that'll help
[03:21] <GhostFreeman> ok
[03:21] <cusco> hi
[03:21] <cusco> when gdm starts it loads the ~/.xsession doesn't it?
[03:21] <johnnybezak> anyone know where to get .pdf's of gutenberg ebooks?>
[03:21] <cusco> by default, I mean
[03:22] <Dalkus> johnnybezak, you tried searching on amule/xmule ?
[03:22] <resiak> cusco: No, ~/.dmrc I think.
[03:22] <elcu> queuetue: i had the same problem.  i'll be interested in a solution too.  i resorted to rebooting until i got a working desktop
[03:22] <johnnybezak> Dalkus: i don't even know what that is hehe
[03:22] <Dalkus> its like kazzaa... a filesharing program
[03:23] <nexus-> johnnybezak, you mean http://promo.net/pg/ ?
[03:23] <queuetue> elcu, I'm talking to #gnome or irc.gnome.org now - they suggested removing ~/.gnome2/session and restarting. (have not tried yet.)
[03:23] <Myrtti> uulalaa
[03:23] <johnnybezak> nexus: mb i do
[03:23] <Myrtti> theyd prolly have an answer to my rhythmbox problem too
[03:23] <Dalkus> Does anyone know how to alter the background colour that displays when the Ubuntu flash screen is displayed after logging in to X? I can't seem to change it anywhere
[03:24] <Myrtti> the chocolate brown?
[03:24] <nexus-> johnnybezak, couldn't you just convert them to pdf yourself? :P
[03:24] <Dalkus> Myrtti, yeah
[03:24] <johnnybezak> Dalkus: i think its in the theme thing somewhere
[03:24] <Dalkus> I'll take another look
[03:24] <johnnybezak> nexus-: yes but that would require effort :)
[03:24] <Myrtti> or a script
[03:24] <johnnybezak> nexus-: is there a cli tool?
[03:25] <Myrtti> prolly is
[03:25] <nexus-> gv works from the cli
[03:25] <cusco> I want to perform a command when I start my desktop manager, (in this case xfce) how do I do it please?
[03:25] <elcu> queuetue: let us know if it works
[03:25] <nexus-> hmm is that gv or something else
[03:25] <johnnybezak> cusco: use .xsession
[03:25] <nexus-> you probably could make a simple script to convert all .txts to .pdf
[03:25] <nexus-> there is a cli tool for that
[03:25] <nexus-> ah , gs
[03:25] <elcu> anyway, back to my question, any opengl programmers out there?
[03:25] <nexus-> ghostscript
[03:25] <nexus-> :P
[03:26] <johnnybezak> its called gs
[03:26] <nexus-> yeap
[03:26] <GhostFreeman> Seveas -- any luck yet
[03:26] <johnnybezak> nexus-: roger
[03:27] <Dalkus> Any more ideas on changing the flashcreen backgroud colour?
[03:27] <nexus-> have fun :)
[03:27] <Dalkus> No option in theme manager
[03:27] <cusco> johnnybezak: I tryed but some how the /usr/X11R6/bin/setxkbmap -layout isn't working
[03:28] <johnnybezak> Dalkus: i have seen it somewhere
[03:28] <johnnybezak> cusco: yeah i think switches are a problem
[03:28] <Dalkus> johnnybezak, I dont mean the desktop background colour :)
[03:28] <cusco> what o you mean?
[03:28] <johnnybezak> Dalkus: oh ok i dont know what youre talking about theb
[03:29] <GhostFreeman> hung to dry
[03:30] <larry> can we talk modems here?
[03:30] <Myrtti> johnnybezak: he means the chocolate brown color that appears right after login, with the splash, before the user defined background (color) loads
[03:31] <kickrocks> how do I get to the search option in aptitude
[03:31] <Myrtti> click the search button
[03:31] <kickrocks> nevermind
[03:31] <kickrocks> yeah I saw gui and never tried mouse, hahaha
[03:34] <djmt> What would be the best program to create (nice) xpdf or whatever files (for printing)?
[03:36] <elcu> djmt: depends what documents.  openoffice has a nice export to pdf feature.  or you could use latex if you feel up to learning it.  if you do, the world is your oyster.
[03:36] <corza> hey has anyone here got a Lexmark printer that doesnt work
[03:36] <corza> my CUPS doesnt support my printer..
[03:38] <djmt> eclu: I'm looking for something that can create a nice front page cover. Do you think Latex would be the best choice?
[03:40] <jnoreiko> is open office 2 beta available through apt-get?
[03:40] <dockane> i have got basic linux knowledge (from debian) and installed hoary onto my ibm thinkpad. after research with google (tldp.org and linux-laptop are obsolete) and on ubuntulinux.org there a lot of question regarding i.e. intel speed step, plug und play hardware (ultrabay) and so on. does anyone have got a good ressource for things like that ?
[03:41] <nmsa> good evening
[03:41] <garrut> good afternoon :)
[03:41] <dockane> hi
[03:42] <dockane> (from europe)
[03:42] <elcu> djmt: using latex is sort of like writing html in a text editor rather than using a GUI.  it would get the job done, yes.  whether or not it is the best choice depends on you as it involves learning the syntax and using commands in a terminal to produce a pdf file.
[03:43] <djmt> Oh, hm.
[03:43] <thisfred> djmt: do you know scribus (i think thats what its called)
[03:44] <thisfred> I have heard good things about it, havent used it myself yet
[03:44] <jnoreiko> I've tried scribus, briefly
[03:44] <nexus-> how do i use apt to search for a package or search for which package provides a specific library?
[03:45] <thisfred> nexus-, apt-cache search
[03:45] <nexus-> thanks
[03:46] <corza> in terminal how do i extract... a .gz file from another directory to the current cd'ed directory?
[03:46] <odysseus1> somebody successfully installed subversion from source ?
[03:46] <corza> make that to the current directory*
[03:46] <Nermal> odysseus1, I find apt-get install subversion more than adaquate
[03:46] <djmt> Looking into Scribus now.
[03:47] <Nermal> corza, tar xzvf /path/to/tarfile
[03:47] <odysseus1> Nermal: i need to build the javahl libraries for subversion client, and get errors messages from ./configure ...
[03:47] <Nermal> ah
[03:47] <nexus-> corza, gzip -d /target/file .
[03:47] <Nermal> odysseus1, what error messages ?
[03:47] <thisfred> Nermal, doesn't that just untar the file in place?
[03:48] <odysseus1> Nermal: http://pastebin.ca/8422
[03:48] <Nermal> thisfred, yup, but he said to the current directory
[03:48] <thisfred> Nermal, exactly... ?
[03:48] <jnoreiko> is there a font browser app?
[03:50] <amdrulez> can someone help me to make my rear speakers work under mplayer?
[03:51] <garrut> turn 'em up in your mixer :)
[03:51] <amdrulez> i did :(
[03:51] <amdrulez> with alsamixer
[03:51] <corza> argh can someone help me out with printer drivers?
[03:52] <topyli> jnoreiko: not really
[03:52] <topyli> jnoreiko: for gnome
[03:52] <amdrulez> how can i make the rear work?
[03:54] <thisfred> jnoreiko, i use the character map in accessories, but that may not be enough for your purposes
[03:57] <amdrulez> no one can help me?
[03:57] <dockane> is there a way to make strg+c work in ALL applications ? i am not used to shift+strg+c and do not understand why programms handle this or that way?
[03:57] <Seveas> dockane, which program wants the shift?
[03:58] <bitar> hey all..
[03:58] <Seveas> the terminal: that has it's own settings (for a good reason, ctrl-c = kill)
[03:58] <Seveas> hai
[03:59] <raz0> Where do I disable the automatic apt-get update?
[03:59] <dockane> Seveas, i.e. i tried to copy text out of an error message that synaptic gave me, it didnt work with strg+c but finally with mark + right klick -> context menue : cpoy
[03:59] <dockane> *copy
[03:59] <bitar> as soon as i log in it tells me the following :   Could not look up internet address for. This will prevent GNOME from operating correctly. It may be possible to correct the problem by adding to the file /ect/hosts
[03:59] <corza> guys when i go tar -xzf file.tar.gz where does it unzip it to?
[03:59] <Seveas> corza, probably to file
[04:00] <jnoreiko> thisfred: thanks. should do the job. i'm just looking for a decent font to use in mozilla
[04:00] <corza> Seveas: which file?
[04:00] <Seveas> with tar -xvzf you see it
[04:00] <dockane> Seveas, terminal windows uses shift strg c too
[04:00] <Seveas> the file name foo for a foo.tar.gz
[04:00] <Seveas> dockane, for the terminal that is logical
C has a different meaning there :)
[04:00] <bitar> and when i log in... Computer/System Configuration/ netwroking is not coming anymore.. it shows as if it's loading and then nothing happens...
[04:00] <corza> Seveas: umm i'm just reading this thing and i need to convert the file from rpm to deb.. but i dont know where the rpm file is
[04:00] <bitar> anyone know what could be the problem?
[04:00] <dockane> Seveas,  argh of course : ist a break
[04:01] <amdrulez> can someone help me to make my rear speakers work under mplayer?
[04:01] <johnnybezak> guys i want to convert text files to pdf any suggestions (cli please)
[04:01] <membreya> johnnybezak: open it in OO.o and print to PDF
[04:02] <Goshawk> johnnybezak, openoffice writer
[04:02] <mjr> johnnybezak, mpage|psd2pdf (or pstopdf)
[04:02] <thisfred> johnnybezak, what format text files? structured text or restructured text by any chance?
[04:02] <mjr> s/psdf/ps/
[04:02] <dockane> another question is how do i disable the ntp request at bootup ?
[04:03] <membreya> dockane: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#permanentlydisableenableboot-upservice
[04:03] <johnnybezak> thisfred: i just want to convert some gutenberg ebooks to pdf
[04:03] <thisfred> ah then mjr's suggestion is best I think
[04:04] <amdrulez> can someone help me to make my rear speakers work under mplayer?
[04:04] <johnnybezak> mjr: how does that work
[04:04] <johnnybezak> amdrulez: turn them on :)
[04:04] <dockane> membreya, tnx
[04:04] <membreya> np dockane
[04:05] <Goshawk> by default ubuntu sets up network if it found an ethernet card, in many cases it's a lose of if a ethernet cable is not plugged. Why not say to ubuntu scripts to set up network only if a cable is plugged?
[04:06] <ploum> hello
[04:06] <yyc747> does the default ubuntu kernel support hfs+ and the apple partition format?
[04:06] <johnnybezak> yyc747: yeah it does
[04:06] <ploum> Is it possible to set the default of "close the session" to "shutdown the computer" ?
[04:06] <johnnybezak> yyc747: at least for hfs_ dont know for apple pf
[04:06] <topyli> johnnybezak: http://www.sandroid.org/GutenMark/ :)
[04:06] <Goshawk> maybe hotplug can manage it (so network can be enabled while the pc is already up)
[04:07] <johnnybezak> *hfs+
[04:07] <johnnybezak> topyli: thnx
[04:07] <InitMass> anyone who know how to do fake smoke in gimp?
[04:07] <amdrulez> the rear are on with alsa mixer, but stil cant hear from mplayer
[04:08] <LeeJunFan> does the ubuntu DVD have kde on it?
[04:08] <amdrulez> the rear are on with alsa mixer, but stil cant hear from mplayer
[04:08] <membreya> LeeJunFan: why not just get kubuntu?
[04:08] <Nuak> hi
[04:08] <Nuak> i have problems with apache2 and php
[04:08] <Nuak> i use hoary
[04:08] <Nuak> and php4 doesn't work
[04:08] <Bazzi> which problems?
[04:08] <Nuak> anybody could help me?
[04:09] <Bazzi> define doesn't work
[04:09] <yyc747> InitMass: I think you have to use Filters->Render->Clouds (onto a new layer), and set that layer to soft light (or hard light, I can't remember)
[04:09] <amdrulez> the rear are on with alsa mixer, but stil cant hear from mplayer
[04:09] <LeeJunFan> membreya: got it - just wondering.
[04:09] <yyc747> johnnybezak: it wouldn't make much sense to support HFS+ without supporting the apple partition format
[04:09] <johnnybezak> topyli: thanks for the link it seems interesting, have you used it
[04:09] <LeeJunFan> membreya: might save bandwidth if I only had to dl one. :)
[04:10] <amdrulez> the rear are on with alsa mixer, but stil cant hear from mplayer
[04:10] <johnnybezak> yyc747: i'm sorry i don't know much about it, i just used hfs+ for my apple formatted ipod
[04:10] <membreya> LeeJunFan: bandwidth schmandwidth
[04:10] <amdrulez> the rear are on with alsa mixer, but stil cant hear from mplayer
[04:10] <LeeJunFan> membreya: I've got a local mirror here of i386, and amd64 already. But I haven't taken the time to learn to to build my own images just yet.
[04:10] <yyc747> johnnybezak: yeah... same, and I know that (on gentoo) I had to enable apple partition support
[04:10] <topyli> johnnybezak: no, i haven't tried it. i looked that up a while ago when i wanted to make some PDFs, but never actually got around to doing it
[04:11] <Nuak> please, help with apache2 and php4, can't get it to work. Some days ago it worked flawlessly
[04:11] <yyc747> johnnybezak: this is on the x86 version, right?
[04:11] <johnnybezak> yyc747: i'm using ppc
[04:11] <amdrulez> can some one chat with me?
[04:11] <Bazzi> Nuak the more specific errors you can anme the better we can help you
[04:11] <johnnybezak> i think the 2.6 kernel has it all built in
[04:11] <yyc747> johnnybezak: that's good
[04:11] <johnnybezak> more of an include everything approach
[04:11] <jnoreiko> do you need a firewall on ubuntu?
[04:12] <johnnybezak> rather than the gentoo include nothing approach
[04:12] <johnnybezak> not a troll i like gentoo but you get what i mean
[04:12] <yyc747> johnnybezak: well, rather a "you want it, do it yourself" approach...
[04:12] <amdrulez> can some one chat with me?
[04:12] <johnnybezak> yyc747: exactly
[04:13] <thisfred> johnnybezak, that's what i like about the ubuntu tagline: 'linux for human beings' ;)
[04:13] <johnnybezak> amdrulez: lol
[04:13] <johnnybezak> thisfred: hehe
[04:13] <amdrulez> thanx
[04:13] <yyc747> johnnybezak: yeah, running gentoo can get annoying at times... ubuntu is definitely second, in my opinion, and would be my first recommendation to anyone who doesn't want the hassle of gentoo
[04:13] <johnnybezak> yeah but gentoo sure is sweet
[04:14] <Seveas> if you like at gcc messages rolling bye
[04:14] <membreya> gentoo requires too much "hands on" to just get it up and running
[04:14] <johnnybezak> i think if i built a new gentoo system id go for a fatter all inclusive kernel
[04:14] <johnnybezak> yeah but once its running
[04:14] <fozno1> i am using ubuntu hoary and when gnome loads two errors appear: 1-you must be root to run that command and 2- missing command...how can i find out what program is causing this?
[04:14] <dockane> membreya, thats a very good faq, wondering i didnt find it :) thnx again
[04:14] <link> hey all...
[04:14] <johnnybezak> ohhh yeahhh
[04:14] <thisfred> anyone know if amarok will be backported to warty, btw?
[04:14] <membreya> dockane: the power of opening ones eyes
[04:15] <GhostFreeman> how do i see if i'm running warty
[04:15] <GhostFreeman> this is the one command I always forget
[04:15] <yyc747> membreya: well, it's a choice to be made... it only takes a day on a modern machine, and it is definitely a learning experience... the biggest advantage is portage
[04:15] <membreya> yyc747: as opposed to apt ? :)
[04:15] <yyc747> johnnybezak: it would be nice if portage was "separated" from gentoo, so it could be used on all linux distros
[04:15] <thisfred> GhostFreeman, you can just look at your apt sources no?
[04:15] <GhostFreeman> that's true
[04:16] <johnnybezak> yyc747: apt is nice too though
[04:16] <fozno1> i believe you can port portage over to other distros
[04:16] <GhostFreeman> but I had a hoary one listed in there too -- but the majority are warty
[04:16] <yyc747> membreya: apt it a very good tool, but I think it lacks the power of portage when it comes to customizability... I love the use flags
[04:16] <GhostFreeman> that hoary entry was just commented out btw
[04:16] <corza> when i run sh (File).sh it is suppose to create a folder and unpack its contents but it doesnt.. what am i doing wrong?
[04:16] <topyli> GhostFreeman: cat /etc/lsb-release
[04:16] <IRCMonkey> hello, i made an "smart" upgrade in ubuntu/hoary and now my screen resolution is set to 1024*768, before it was automatically set to 1600*1200. when i set it to 1600px manually the screen is repeated from pixel 1024, totally unusable...
[04:16] <thisfred> GhostFreeman, if you have both then you're running both, and that could spell trouble ;)
[04:17] <GhostFreeman> oh dear
[04:17] <GhostFreeman> I am in bad shape
[04:17] <GhostFreeman> I will haveta reinstall Linux!!! OH NOES
[04:17] <GhostFreeman> i'm being sarcastic.
[04:17] <thisfred> GhostFreeman, not as long as it's commented out
[04:17] <topyli> really?
[04:17] <GhostFreeman> ok
[04:18] <GhostFreeman> I just hope whatever I did get while it was added there didn't do much damage :x
[04:19] <membreya> GhostFreeman: as they say "Linux...what would you like to break today"
[04:19] <Bazzi> the dependency of death :/
[04:19] <GhostFreeman> I dont know whether to laugh or yell "YOU'RE SUPPORTING M$"
[04:19] <membreya> :P
[04:19] <corza> what is usage: trap [lp]  [arg signal_spec ...] 
[04:20] <membreya> gotta admit GhostFreeman, the daily breakages make life fun :D
[04:21] <GhostFreeman> they can be fixed, right?
[04:21] <membreya> the next day, when the patch is released :P
[04:21] <GhostFreeman> A few hoary packages can't be that bad, right?
[04:22] <membreya> if it makes you feel better, for about a week I was sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrading my hoary system with warty source.list
[04:22] <membreya> no damage here :)
[04:22] <GhostFreeman> lol
[04:22] <GhostFreeman> ok, that makes me feel a bit better
[04:23] <jnoreiko> anyone here use gmail?
[04:23] <thisfred> jnoreiko, yep
[04:23] <Nermal> rarely
[04:23] <jnoreiko> mozilla won't load it -- says something about personal security manager
[04:23] <GhostFreeman> thats funny
[04:23] <Arti> Damn, the X composite extension works perfectly, but my graphic card is too slow
[04:23] <Seveas> jnoreiko, try firefox
[04:23] <GhostFreeman> are we talking Mozilla or Firefox? Because FF loads it fine
[04:23] <jnoreiko> I broke firefox yesterday
[04:23] <thisfred> jnoreiko, is that a mozilla extension? My firefox works fine with gmail at the moment
[04:24] <membreya> jnoreiko: install the PSM package
[04:24] <jnoreiko> see forum post in desktop support... FF won't load any more
[04:24] <GhostFreeman> wait...you broke it
[04:24] <Seveas> membreya, in which package is that?
[04:24] <mercurus> jnoreiko, any errors evident if you run it from a term ?
[04:24] <Seveas> jnoreiko, apt-get install --reinstall firefox ;)
[04:24] <membreya> Seveas: mozilla-psm
[04:24] <Seveas> membreya, tnx
[04:24] <jnoreiko> yup. hang on, getting the link...
[04:24] <Seveas> goes in the bbof
[04:24] <prey> where is the chat italian of ubuntu ?
[04:25] <jnoreiko> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22692
[04:25] <Seveas> jnoreiko, apt-get install --reinstall firefox ;)
[04:25] <Seveas> or:
[04:25] <Seveas> apt-get install mozill-psm
[04:25] <Seveas> the latter gives you the security manager
[04:25] <membreya> Seveas: try mozilla-psm even :P
[04:25] <Seveas> :)
[04:26] <prey>  where is the chat italian of ubuntu ?
[04:26] <fgx> prey, #ubuntu-it
[04:26] <prey> tanks
[04:27] <corza> hey when i try to run "sh file.sh" it says line 133: ./install: no such file or directory
[04:27] <jnoreiko> just tried the reinstall
[04:27] <jnoreiko> still says '*** loading the extensions datasource'
[04:27] <membreya> jnoreiko: get a real browser :P
[04:28] <membreya> I recommend galeon :)
[04:28] <jnoreiko> what, IE? ;)
[04:28] <membreya> though I'm running kubuntu now, so I use konqueror
[04:28] <mercurus> jnoreiko, that's what mine says when it loads fine ...
[04:28] <GhostFreeman> Sensible?
[04:28] <thisfred> jnoreiko, not a fix, but you *know* you can use a regular mailclient with gmail right?
[04:28] <membreya> thisfred: yes you can use your normal email client with gmail
[04:29] <dstevens> hi all, running hoary on laptop done a update dist-upgrade, problem with X and screen resolution, i looked in /etc/X11/ found XF86-Config-4 and xorg.conf, which one of these is the current?
[04:29] <jnoreiko> mercurus, how many times does it say it?
[04:29] <Seveas> dstevens, xorg.conf
[04:30] <membreya> damn you Seveas go get your coffee and let me get some n00bie questions!
[04:30] <mercurus> jnoreiko, once under debian (with a specific automatic restore extension installed)
[04:30] <Seveas> unless you specifically enabled XFree86 after upgrading to hoary
[04:30] <corza> can someone help me with my sh script?
[04:30] <odysseus1> kan man apr (apache portable runtime) mit apt installieren ?
[04:30] <Seveas> lol membreya  :)
[04:30] <Seveas> corza, sure
[04:31] <membreya> thisfred: http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/topic.py?topic=194
[04:31] <corza> Seveas: when i run "sh file.sh -keep" it says ./install no such file or directory
[04:31] <odysseus1> is it possible to install apr (apr.apahce.org) with apt-get ?
[04:31] <dstevens> Seveas, cool i thought it might be, seems the gnomey interface is having problems adjusting this config file from anything above 1024x768
[04:31] <Seveas> odysseus1, jawohl, libapr0, libapr0-dev
[04:31] <thisfred> membreya, I know, I was telling jnoreiko that ;)
[04:31] <jnoreiko> if I launch firefox from terminal, I get that line over & over again...
[04:31] <odysseus1> Seveas: danke :)
[04:31] <membreya> ooooh right you are thisfred :P
[04:31] <Seveas> corza, well, than put the file in the same folder as install
[04:32] <corza> Seveas: there is no install folder its suppose to create it
[04:32] <mercurus> jnoreiko, ah ... bugger.
[04:32] <Seveas> corza, is the script long?
[04:32] <Xappe> hmm, now my mounted drives suddenly appeared on the desktop and the Places menu...
[04:32] <corza> Seveas: well i cant read the script it wont let me
[04:32] <Seveas> corza: sudo wc -l script_filename
[04:33] <Seveas> that will say how many lines it has
[04:33] <jnoreiko> mercurus, yup :(
[04:33] <mercurus> jnoreiko, what extensions did you have installed before the re-install ?
[04:33] <corza> Seveas: 16282
[04:33] <Seveas> that's awfully long :)
[04:33] <jnoreiko> none. just a couple of searchplugins
[04:34] <Seveas> what kind of script is it?
[04:34] <corza> Seveas: its for a driver..
[04:34] <Seveas> ah
[04:34] <odysseus1> Seveas: i still get a compile error configuring subversion 1.1.3: http://pastebin.ca/8422 thought apr is missing but its not
[04:34] <Seveas> corza do you have write permissions for the folder the script is in?
[04:34] <corza> Seveas: yes
[04:35] <Seveas> odysseus1, try clear && ./configure .....
[04:35] <Seveas> you have an error in your paste
[04:35] <mercurus> jnoreiko, I'd just suggest apt-get remove --purge firefox and then re-install it ...
[04:35] <mercurus> other than that ... I have nfi ... :(
[04:35] <Seveas> corza, maybe you have to run the script as root, be careful with that though
[04:35] <membreya> omg Seveas ...DOS and linux..they both share clear :P
[04:36] <mercurus> is there a debug switch for firfox ...
[04:36] <corza> Seveas: i have tried
[04:36] <Seveas> corza, clear is just for clearing the terminal
[04:36] <Seveas> you have a messed-up terminal, as shown in the paste
[04:36] <corza> Seveas: what?
[04:37] <corza> Seveas: what are u talking about?
[04:37] <membreya> corza: he's right
[04:37] <mercurus> reset !
[04:37] <membreya> your text for command not found
[04:37] <membreya> overlaps
[04:37] <Seveas> corza, nvm
[04:37] <Seveas> it's a pastebin error
[04:37] <Seveas> in the text-entry it's ok
[04:37] <corza> i'm not using pastebin..
[04:37] <membreya> go to sleep hayden :P
[04:37] <Seveas> ehm, i'm messing up
[04:37] <Seveas> sorry
[04:38] <Seveas> that was odysseus1
[04:38] <membreya> stop it Seveas, you're screwing up the rest of the chan
[04:38] <corza> yes and membreya joined along with u to confuse me more :|
[04:38] <Jeeves_> Ehm, ubuntu doesn't install sshd by default? :)
[04:38] <Seveas> Jeeves_, no
[04:38] <Jeeves_> That sucks :)
[04:38] <membreya> Jeeves_: sudo apt-get install sshd :P
[04:38] <Seveas> "no open ports" policy
[04:38] <Seveas> membreya, openssh-server
[04:39] <odysseus1> Seveas: i dont see an error in my post. can you hep ?
[04:39] <Jeeves_> membreya: I know. But that kinda difficult when I'm 75KM away :)
[04:39] <Seveas> *chew* *crunch* *spit* *eeeeew*\
[04:39] <membreya> lol!
[04:39] <odysseus1> Seveas: i get the same error running./configure without parameters
[04:39] <Seveas> odysseus1, there's an error in the configure script
[04:39] <a_tester> Hello guys
[04:39] <Seveas> you can't do much about it
[04:40] <membreya> Seveas: he could always do a rewrite on the script :P
[04:40] <Jeeves_> Seveas: No open ports? Hmm. I think I prefer sshd over that policy :)
[04:40] <Seveas> odysseus1, subversion is in the ubuntu repos though
[04:40] <a_tester> Just installed ubuntu on a system with Windows 2000 in its 1st partition. After reboot grub fails with error 17. Any pointers pls?
[04:40] <Seveas> Jeeves_, me too
[04:40] <odysseus1> Seveas: thx
[04:40] <Seveas> after installing ubuntu i always do apt-get install build-essential openssh-server supertux
[04:41] <mercurus> supertux ?
[04:41] <membreya> lol supertux :P
[04:41] <Bazzi> supertux?
[04:41] <Seveas> yeah!
[04:41] <membreya> like supermario
[04:41] <membreya> but with tux
[04:41] <Jeeves_> Seveas: So, whom should I bug ? :)
[04:41] <jnoreiko> purge says unable to remove some directories.... so i'm off to rm/rmdir
[04:41] <Seveas> Jeeves_, no one :)
[04:41] <jnoreiko> any way to delete a non-empty directory?
[04:41] <Seveas> it's not a bug, it's policy
[04:41] <Seveas> jnoreiko, rm -rf
[04:41] <Seveas> but BE CAREFUL
[04:42] <membreya> I've been told off
[04:42] <membreya> for joking around with sudo rm -rf /
[04:42] <Jeeves_> Seveas: Since when is it impossible to have a bug in a policy? :)
[04:42] <membreya> :P
[04:42] <Seveas> lol membreya
[04:42] <Seveas> Jeeves_, it's not a bug, it's a feature :)
[04:43] <Jeeves_> Seveas: Hmm. That's an interesting point of view. :)
[04:43] <thisfred> Jeeves_, do you have to to an install to thousands of boxes or something? ;)
[04:43] <a_tester> Anyone? :(
[04:44] <corza> Seveas: http://www.pastebin.com/264308
[04:44] <membreya> it's as good as when microsoft issued a challenge to the hacker community to break into a win2k box ..and they connected it with a shoddy internet connection :P
[04:44] <jnoreiko> btw, why does apt-get say Setting up mozilla-firefox (0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu3)
[04:44] <jnoreiko> I don't like the look of those version numbers
[04:44] <Seveas> jnoreiko, ff 1.0pr was too buggy back in october
[04:44] <jnoreiko> aha! it works again
[04:44] <jnoreiko> though it's 0.93
[04:44] <Jeeves_> thisfred: No, I just want to test someting :)
[04:45] <jnoreiko> how do I force it to get 1.0.2?
[04:45] <membreya> jnoreiko: AFAIK 1.0.1 is the latest in the repos
[04:45] <Seveas> membreya, no
[04:45] <Seveas> its .2
[04:45] <thisfred> Jeeves_, then an apt-get isnt that much of a hassle is it?
[04:45] <Seveas> jnoreiko, upgrade to hoary :)
[04:45] <membreya> well blow me down Seveas !
[04:45] <Jeeves_> thisfred: 16:39 < Jeeves_> membreya: I know. But that kinda difficult when I'm 75KM away :)
[04:45] <membreya> then again .. i hate firefox
[04:45] <jnoreiko> I'll install hoary as soon as it's out :)
[04:45] <GarySaved> When I go to log into the ubuntu site, my system does not like their security certificate. Can I do anything about this?
[04:46] <corza> Seveas: did u see my pastebin??
[04:46] <corza> http://www.pastebin.com/264308
[04:46] <Seveas> corza, i saw it
[04:46] <membreya> GarySaved: tell it to always accept the cert? :P
[04:46] <corza> Seveas: any clue?
[04:46] <thisfred> Jeeves_, ahh, ;)
[04:46] <Seveas> can't make much of it without the script :)
[04:46] <Seveas> where'd you get the script from?
[04:46] <corza> Seveas some page..
[04:46] <corza> http://members.cox.net/twsnnva/Linux.html
[04:46] <Seveas> :)
[04:46] <membreya> lol
[04:46] <Seveas> corza, i'll check it, hang on
[04:47] <GarySaved> membreya, Is that safe?  I would rather fix, than override it.
[04:47] <membreya> GarySaved: you don't trust ubuntu ?
[04:48] <Seveas> corza, did you dowload the driver and the script?
[04:48] <GarySaved> membreya, Yes, I trust ubuntu, but would that leave me open to being hijacked?
[04:48] <corza> Seveas: there is only 1 file.
[04:48] <corza> Seveas: i unpacked it
[04:49] <Seveas> -Lexmark X1150 all-in-one-
[04:49] <Seveas> The Lexmark X60x series of printer driver will work with this printer, however it is only available for RedHat in .rpm format not .deb, don't worry though Linux is Linux, no matter what name is on it. If you would like a very simple way to do this you can download the driver, and a script I wrote, put them both in the same folder and my script will do everything for you, simply by typing `sh lexmarkx1150inst.sh`
[04:49] <venom> hey all
[04:49] <GarySaved> That would defeat the idea of having a certificate.
[04:49] <venom>  i accidently deleted the toolbar that shows what i have open at the time in ubuntu, does any 1 no how to get it back?
[04:49] <queuetue> Can anyone explain why my gnome broke after the hoary update yesterday morning?  i have since removed and reinstalled just about every gnome package, and cleared opu tmy own settings, and still, the panels come up blank, the session appears to die, and there is no way to use gnome...
[04:50] <corza> well i didnt see that lol
[04:50] <randabis> you might want to try deleting ~/.gnome
[04:50] <Seveas> :o)
[04:50] <Jimbob> GarySaved: Well, if you tell it to always accept, then if it ever pesters you again you know something's up
[04:50] <Seveas> back it up first!
[04:50] <randabis> backing it up first of course
[04:50] <Seveas> queuetue, same for ~/.gnome2, backup & delete
[04:50] <venom> sterling.freenode.net
[04:51] <Seveas> orwell.freenode.net
[04:51] <venom> i accidently deleted the toolbar that shows what i have open at the time in ubuntu, does any 1 no how to get it back?
[04:51] <GarySaved> Jimbob, Oh, I did not know that it would come back if it changes again.
[04:51] <netmonk> friends, how do I change the resolution of the screen - in 1024x768 i have 60hz and I know it can handle 80hz?
[04:51] <Jimbob> GarySaved: Yeah
[04:51] <GarySaved> Thanks
[04:51] <Seveas> venom, right click on the panel, select add to panel, select window list
[04:51] <Jimbob> GarySaved: Which site is giving you this warning, BTW
[04:51] <Jimbob> ?
[04:52] <membreya> Jimbob: ubuntu
[04:52] <Jimbob> https://www.ubuntu.com?
[04:52] <venom> omg :| seveas u god :D
[04:52] <Jimbob> or...?
[04:52] <GarySaved> Jimbob, If I choose to login at www.ubuntulinux.org
[04:52] <venom> thank u heaps dude
[04:52] <Jimbob> Ahh
[04:53] <queuetue> randabis, Seveas , Already tried that, no difference.
[04:54] <hayden> i've installed ndiswrapper and the windows driver, i've done modprobe ndiswrapper and ndiswrapper -m, iwconfig shows it is connected but the internet still isnt working
[04:54] <Seveas> queuetue, i would like to suggest that you do the same with .gconf, but that will destro A LOT of settings.... (including evolution mailaccounts) but maybe some subdirs of .gconf can be deleted
[04:54] <corza> Seveas: YAY :D
[04:54] <membreya> hayden: are you using dhcp or static IP ?
[04:55] <mercurus> hayden, ifconfig up a static IP or request an IP from DHCP ..?
[04:55] <osity> I just resintalled ubuntu over again and I get lots of failures on boot up   (i.e name resolution, random number generator) what gives?
[04:55] <hayden> dhcp
[04:55] <membreya> hayden: set a static IP
[04:55] <hayden> how
[04:55] <membreya> my router hates DHCP for my linux box
[04:55] <mercurus> hayden, dhclient wlan0 or eth0 or whatever the interface is called ...
[04:55] <Seveas> hw_random -> harmless error
[04:55] <Seveas> name resolution -> wireless net??
[04:55] <membreya> hayden: sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[04:56] <elcu> osity: edit /etc/hotplug/blacklist and add hw_random to the bottom to hide the erorr message.
[04:56] <stianh> Hello, I have an 80GB drive which is mounted as / . Is there any way to "shave" of the last ten gigabytes and free them up so I can create another patition?
[04:56] <odysseus1> somebody knows what this means:  local copy of find_apr.m4 does not match APR's copy. An updated copy of find_apr.m4 may need to be checked in.
[04:56] <odysseus1> i see this when running autogen on subversion
[04:56] <saber> membreya: i've been having problems like that lately too. what's your issue?
[04:57] <membreya> saber: nfi .. my dhcpclient gets an IP and everything ..but it doesn't allow traffic through
[04:57] <membreya> setting a static IP and it works beautifully
[04:57] <venom> how do i mssg someone who i dont no anything but there name?
[04:57] <membreya> venom: on IRC?
[04:57] <elcu> stianh: check out qtparted, a partition magic clone for linux
[04:57] <membreya> do a /msg <nickname>
[04:57] <saber> your router will not let the traffic through from the linux box?
[04:57] <folta> hey all, i compiled a module for wifi and i've inserted it with insmod, but i don't want to have to do insmod blah.ko everytime i boot - is there some way of loading the module automatically?
[04:58] <stianh> elcu, I'll check it out thanks :)
[04:58] <membreya> essentially saber ..ie it will let me ping all the local IPs ....but as soon as I try and go external it does nothing
[04:58] <membreya> so I just give up
[04:58] <Seveas> folta, add it to /etc/modules
[04:58] <saber> folta: add it to /etc/modules
[04:58] <membreya> wait wait
[04:58] <membreya> me too
[04:58] <eruin> how can I set hinting/aa to be stronger? kind of like cleartype in win
[04:58] <Seveas> lol :)
[04:58] <membreya> folta: do a sudo nano /etc/modules
[04:58] <hayden> ok
[04:58] <hayden> its got a ip thru dhcp
[04:58] <hayden> wlan0     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:C0:A8:A7:BB:8C
[04:58] <hayden>           inet addr:192.168.0.4  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
[04:58] <venom> how do i kill a processor?
[04:58] <membreya> mwuahahaha!
[04:58] <saber> hah
[04:58] <venom> eg amsn
[04:58] <membreya> venom: pour water over it ?
[04:59] <Seveas> venom, with a hammer
[04:59] <membreya> lol!
[04:59] <LeeJunFan> Glock .45 :)
[04:59] <venom> lol
[04:59] <membreya> ok, do a sudo killall amsn venom
[04:59] <venom> ... not kewl dude lol
[04:59] <venom> not kewl at all
[04:59] <Seveas> :)
[04:59] <queuetue> Seveas, i already *have* done it with gconf - still same issue.  it does it for new users, as well.
[04:59] <saber> venom: kill [process] 
[04:59] <folta> ahh, do i have to copy the .ko file tro somewhere?
[04:59] <saber> venom: to see processes: ps waux | more
[04:59] <Seveas> you kill a process with kill [process id] 
[04:59] <Seveas> folta no
[04:59] <membreya> venom: ask a stupid question, get 20 stupid answers :P
[04:59] <folta> i'm loading it from where i compiled it atm
[04:59] <Seveas> you just add its name to /etc/modules
[04:59] <Seveas> ah ok
[05:00] <Seveas> then you have to put in the right place :)
[05:00] <venom> i did kill amsn
[05:00] <venom> didnt work
[05:00] <Seveas> venom, if kill doesn't kill it: try kill -9 [process id] 
[05:01] <osity> elcu: why would i want to hide it
[05:01] <venom> process id would be... amsn ?
[05:01] <hayden> yay it is working now
[05:01] <Seveas> venom no
[05:01] <venom> sorry im real noob lol
[05:01] <Seveas> type ps to see its id
[05:02] <venom>   PID TTY          TIME CMD
[05:02] <venom>  4653 pts/0    00:00:00 bash
[05:02] <venom>  4664 pts/0    00:00:00 ps
[05:02] <venom> thats all i get
[05:02] <Seveas> hehe
[05:02] <venom> :S
[05:02] <MidnightDevil> heya
[05:02] <Seveas> try ps -a | grep -i amsn
[05:03] <folta> ok, sorted i think
[05:03] <venom> nope
[05:03] <jnoreiko> having fixed firefox, am I brave enough to try installing 1.0.2 from the mozilla installer again?
[05:03] <elcu> osity: it's up to you.  the error messages are harmless (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#booterrors)
[05:03] <venom> amsn is like frozen :S
[05:04] <thisfred> just read the cheap PC's for the masses in Brazil story. Anyone now if mr. Shuttleworth is in communication with them? I think Ubuntu would be ideally suited for the project...
[05:04] <osity> elcu ....i also am still waiting for the system to boot up this is the first boot.  It giving a bunch of ambiguous redirects...
[05:04] <osity> and taking forever
[05:05] <Seveas> venom, paste the output of ps -a on a pastebin
[05:05] <elcu> osity: are u sure it isn't just the packages being set up?
[05:05] <venom>  PID TTY          TIME CMD
[05:05] <MidnightDevil> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:05] <venom>  4721 pts/0    00:00:00 ps
[05:05] <MidnightDevil>   gdesklets: Depends: python-gnome2-extras but it is not going to be installed
[05:05] <MidnightDevil> E: Broken packages
[05:05] <MidnightDevil> how do i fix this broken packages?
[05:06] <osity> elcu dont know
[05:06] <apokryphos> MidnightDevil: you can use Synaptic or you'll have to not install them
[05:06] <MidnightDevil> oh, hi apokryphos :)
[05:06] <MidnightDevil> ok, i'll try with synaptic
[05:06] <apokryphos> hey
[05:06] <jnoreiko> what's the command for installing an rpm?
[05:06] <apokryphos> jnoreiko: you have to use alien first
[05:07] <Seveas> jnoreiko, alien it first, then use dpkg
[05:07] <elcu> yep, ubuntu works with .deb files rather than .rpms
[05:07] <GNAM> no limits in the ubuntu escalation at distrowatch
[05:07] <GNAM> .
[05:07] <osity> elcu: the last line says "id 1 respawning too fast. diables for 5 minutes.
[05:07] <Seveas> it's skyrocketing
[05:07] <hayden> is there a way in kmix panel icon to make it change the volume of the Headphone output when u left click?
[05:07] <osity> elcu: and its just sitting there
[05:08] <GNAM> obiuvsly they have not the sum
[05:08] <MidnightDevil> apokryphos, it returns the same error with synpatic
[05:08] <GNAM> last month: ubuntu 2403, kubuntu 352
[05:08] <GNAM> .
[05:09] <GNAM> ubuntu distro n.1, kubuntu distro n.15
[05:09] <apokryphos> MidnightDevil: are you selecting Edit > Fix Broken Packages?
[05:09] <apokryphos> GNAM: heh
[05:09] <elcu> osity: what is your system?
[05:10] <GNAM> 1th april hoary final.
[05:10] <GNAM> big fish
[05:10] <Seveas> 8th april
[05:10] <GNAM> 8th april? wow
[05:10] <membreya> not soon enough
[05:10] <membreya> I get my 200gb this weekend
[05:11] <Seveas> lol
[05:11] <apokryphos> Seveas: not the 6th?
[05:11] <osity> elcu: do you mean hardware?
[05:11] <GarySaved> Isn't Hoary being released on the 5th of April?
[05:11] <randabis> ] 6th april I thought
[05:11] <randabis> 6th
[05:11] <GNAM> auauu a date bet
[05:11] <Seveas> apokryphos, yes, 6th
[05:12] <apokryphos> ok
[05:12] <Seveas> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[05:12] <Bazzi> ubuntu for #1
[05:12] <membreya> damn you Seveas again you beat me to it!
[05:12] <Seveas> membreya, you snail :p
[05:12] <GarySaved> The site is calling it version 5.04
[05:12] <Seveas> it is
[05:13] <membreya> Seveas: I'm on cable...but I've exceed my data so I'm down to 28k :|
[05:13] <Seveas> lol!
[05:13] <cusco> lol
[05:13] <cusco> !
[05:13] <randabis> each release has a number followed by a code name
[05:13] <Bazzi> GarySaved 2005.04
[05:13] <osity> elcu:  its an old P3 800 w/ soyo mobo that is identifying the chip as 774MHZ  with a new samsung 80GB 7200
[05:13] <Seveas> suckah ;)
[05:13] <MidnightDevil> apokryphos, yeap, i get this:
[05:13] <MidnightDevil> gdesklets:
[05:13] <MidnightDevil>  Depends: python-gnome2-extras but it is not going to be installed
[05:13] <Bazzi> MidnightDevil maybe its in a repository you ahvent added?
[05:13] <apokryphos> MidnightDevil: then you cannot install that package
[05:13] <Bazzi> did you add universe + multiverse?
[05:14] <elcu> osity: ah, don't worry.  i did a google and it came up with a mac thread.  so this is your very first boot after install?
[05:14] <apokryphos> MidnightDevil: Yes, you must be missing a repository or something; installed it fine here.
[05:14] <Seveas> python-gnome2-extras is in universe
[05:14] <osity> elcu: ya...first boot
[05:15] <Seveas> as is gdesklets btw...
[05:15] <apokryphos> heh
[05:15] <jnoreiko> i've added universe -- how do I force apt-get to install a newer firefox?
[05:15] <osity> elcu: it still stuck on that screen....
[05:15] <Seveas> jnoreiko, you don't
[05:15] <apokryphos> jnoreiko: I think Firefox is in main
[05:15] <Seveas> it's only in hoary
[05:15] <jnoreiko> oh
[05:15] <osity> elcu: maybe bad mobo?
[05:15] <Seveas> jnoreiko, well, there actually is a way
[05:15] <Seveas> search for APT pinning on the wiki
[05:16] <apokryphos> MidnightDevil: since the problem isn't a missing repo, try installing python-gnome2-extras and check what the error is
[05:16] <membreya> hmmmm anyone seen thoropeutic recently?
[05:16] <elcu> osity: i think it might be a problem with mingetty
[05:16] <elcu> see http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/8/2005/02/2/278287
[05:16] <MidnightDevil> let me see
[05:16] <elcu> and this https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2005-February/msg00540.html
[05:17] <elcu> osity: but if it's your first boot, i don't see why anything would be corrupted
[05:18] <osity> elcu: well unless it doesnt like the mobo....its the weakest link
[05:18] <osity> it wont id the CPU right..
[05:19] <membreya> i blame timings in the BIOS
[05:19] <jnoreiko> sounds about as dangerous as running mozilla's own installer
[05:21] <GarySaved> Jimbob, Did you find anything with that certificate?
[05:22] <Jimbob> GarySaved: Yeah, just that it's a self-signed one -- ideally Canonical would create their own CA and sign all their site certs with it -- then you download that one file and tell your browser to trust it and then you'll get proper warnings for potentially hijacked sites
[05:22] <MidnightDevil> apokryphos,  python-gnome2-extras:
[05:22] <MidnightDevil>  Depends: python2.4-gnome2-extras but it is not going to be installed
[05:22] <MidnightDevil> im just kde atm
[05:23] <GarySaved> If I go to most sites, FireFox fills in the username and password.  It does not for the ubuntu Forums.
[05:23] <apokryphos> MidnightDevil: now check why that package can't be installed, and so on.. until you find the problem.
[05:23] <Seveas> MidnightDevil, youre on hoary right?
[05:23] <MidnightDevil> unresolvable dependencies? lol
[05:23] <Seveas> that package conflicts  with python2.3-gnome stuff
[05:23] <underlord> i use a fat32 device alot (ogg vorbis/mp3 player), is there any simple way to defrag it in linux?
[05:23] <MidnightDevil> yeap, i am Seveas
[05:23] <eruin> nohaha, I just deleted my last vfat partition
[05:23] <eruin> ;)
[05:24] <apokryphos> MidnightDevil: hmm, here it doesn't depend on python2.4-gnome2-extras
[05:24] <elcu> osity: i'm not sure.  sorry.  try googling and asking again here.
[05:24] <Seveas> MidnightDevil, try --force install
[05:24] <stianh> my /dev/hda1 is a primary partition, is there any way to get it resized? Someone suggested using qtparted for resizing, however, I cannot resize this partition there :/
[05:24] <hayden> stianh: partition magic?
[05:25] <cartman> is Hoary still the "unstable" equivalent for Debian?
[05:25] <MidnightDevil> Seveas,  The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:25] <MidnightDevil>   gdesklets: Depends: python-gnome2-extras but it is not going to be installed
[05:25] <MidnightDevil> E: Broken packages
[05:25] <MidnightDevil> weird
[05:25] <Seveas> cartman, no
[05:25] <stianh> hayden, haven't got it, and I'm in linux
[05:25] <Seveas> MidnightDevil, because py-g2-e confilcts with what you have
[05:25] <cartman> Seveas: is there a way that I always use unstable ? Like without using names like "hoary" can use unstable?
[05:25] <hayden> i guessed u were in linux, u can a bootable version of it
[05:25] <thenuke> MidnightDevil: apt-get install python-gnome2-extras, and it will give you another errors which tell you why it is not going to get installed :)
[05:26] <Vexer> I can't "su" when logged into my normal account.. and in /etc/group there is no WHEEL group.. what do I do? :)
[05:26] <Seveas> try a forced install of the py24 package
[05:26] <Seveas> cartman, there will be
[05:26] <Seveas> cartman, the grumpy project is going to be a rulling unstable
[05:26] <cartman> Seveas: I mean is there a seperate unstable branch now?
[05:26] <randabis> Vexer use sudo
[05:26] <cartman> Seveas: ah I see so after the release then
[05:26] <Seveas> no cartman
[05:26] <apokryphos> Seveas: stable is not out yet
[05:26] <Seveas> yes :)
[05:27] <Seveas> apokryphos, indeed, but hoary cannot be called the unstable branch
[05:27] <Seveas> it would be testing at worst :)
[05:27] <apokryphos> Seveas: surely it's still technically unstable until the official release.
[05:27] <cartman> yeo hoary is like testing now
[05:27] <Seveas> apokryphos, in debian terms it would be testing
[05:27] <cartman> I want unstable :)
[05:27] <Seveas> there is not yet an equivalent of that
[05:28] <apokryphos> cartman: You'll have to wait for Breezy ;-)
[05:28] <Seveas> apokryphos, no
[05:28] <Seveas> breezy will be the next testing
[05:28] <apokryphos> hmm
[05:28] <cartman> hmmm
[05:28] <cartman> confussiiing :)
[05:28] <cartman> just let us use unstable in sources.list
[05:28] <cartman> and I would be happy
[05:28] <Seveas> grumpy (an ubuntu project to be) will be unstable
[05:28] <tritium> cartman, but the packages in Hoary are very recent
[05:28] <Seveas> cartman, many would :)
[05:29] <crimsun> MidnightDevil: if you're running Hoary, you should be able to install python-gnome2-extras.  Make sure your package list is current; refresh/reload as necessary.
[05:29] <cartman> tritium: ah I want unstable things like gcc4 :D
[05:29] <Seveas> cartman, and that's why there will be grumpy
[05:29] <cartman> tritium: gcc4 in hoary is old
[05:29] <cusco> sory.. but how o I eject my cd rom?
[05:29] <apokryphos> Seveas: not sure if your terminology fits some things on the site, where hoary is (at least, was) called unstable.
[05:29] <cartman> Seveas: cool
[05:29] <cartman> cusco: eject /dev/cdrom
[05:29] <cusco> oh
[05:29] <randabis> Vexer, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:29] <Seveas> apokryphos, that's because hoary isn't stable
[05:29] <crimsun> cartman: from 1 March, 2005?
[05:29] <Seveas> that's ubuntu terms
[05:29] <Vexer> randabis, thanks
[05:29] <Seveas> cartman, was refering to debian terminology though
[05:30] <cartman> crimsun: its March 29 now so thats ooold :)
[05:30] <tritium> cartman, you're not serious, are you?
[05:30] <alterim> hey
[05:30] <cartman> tritium: I am benching intel compiler & gcc on my own
[05:30] <cartman> latest is better
[05:30] <alterim> who can help me with my outstanding synaptic questions!?!?!
[05:30] <crimsun> cartman: release candidate is tomorrow; I highly doubt anything newer will appear in Hoary.
[05:30] <alterim> so far, out of seven people, not one has given me correct info
[05:30] <alterim> any help appreciated
[05:30] <cartman> crimsun: oh cool thanks
[05:30] <MidnightDevil> crimsun,  im installing it :) had to go for libnautilus first
[05:31] <cartman> also is there a tomcat pack for ubuntu?
[05:31] <MidnightDevil> then python-gnome2-extras
[05:31] <membreya> alterim: perhaps if you just ask your question
[05:31] <membreya> rather than griping
[05:31] <MidnightDevil> its installing :)
[05:31] <MidnightDevil> thank you!!
[05:31] <Seveas> cartman, no java by default
[05:31] <alterim> tried this method a few times
[05:31] <Seveas> legal issues
[05:31] <alterim> what would be soo cool..
[05:31] <alterim> is if someone who actually knows what they are talking, offers to give me some proper help
[05:31] <apokryphos> Seveas: which makes me wonder how other distros get by :P
[05:31] <Seveas> alterim, i'll try
[05:31] <cartman> Seveas: yes but I mean tomcat with a dependency on java would work on people who gets java elsewhere
[05:31] <alterim> cos the average linux persons definition of help is 'say whatever i'm feeling at the time'
[05:32] <cartman> tomcat is free software :(
[05:32] <Seveas> apokryphos, java is difficult legal fields
[05:32] <alterim> 'and state it like it's gospel'
[05:32] <Seveas> cartman, yes but it wouldnt get through the buildd's since they dont have java
[05:32] <alterim> i'm still trying to understand how synaptic manages to install software, from a cd, with the cd not in the drive
[05:32] <cartman> Seveas: but debian has a tomcat pack. how come?
[05:32] <alterim> cd is only repository
[05:32] <apokryphos> Seveas: any idea on release date for Grumpy?
[05:33] <randabis> alterim, in the linux world there are often multiple answers to the same question
[05:33] <alterim> click ,refresh, packages appear from cd
[05:33] <membreya> alterim: cache
[05:33] <alterim> but cd not in drive
[05:33] <apokryphos> Seveas: whereabouts has this been anounced? Saw a comment on the wiki some time ago, but it's no longer there.
[05:33] <Seveas> alterim, it might have copied the packages to disk before at an earlier attempt
[05:33] <alterim> membreya, elaborate
[05:33] <djp> ok, have installed sage under firefox and it works with rss feeds. however is there a way to make it work by clicking on an rss link? at present if i do i get the message
[05:33] <djp>         This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated with it. The document tree is shown below.
[05:33] <alterim> cache sounds interesting
[05:33] <alterim> i added the cd with apt-cdrom add
[05:33] <alterim> it added fine
[05:33] <membreya> alterim: /var/cache/apt/archives/
[05:33] <alterim> then went into gui and clicked refresh
[05:33] <Seveas> apokryphos, no i dont know a date
[05:33] <alterim> voila, packages appear
[05:34] <Seveas> alterim, have you tried INSTALLING them?
[05:34] <alterim> when i go to install a package it says xxxx kb installed xxxx to be downloaded, i click apply, and the software installs
[05:34] <Seveas> ok
[05:34] <alterim> without the cd even being in the drive
[05:34] <Seveas> see if the .debs are in the cache
[05:34] <alterim> to what is 'to be downloaded' all about
[05:34] <Seveas> if so, it has copied them at some point
[05:34] <alterim> i thought that would mean from the CD
[05:34] <membreya> alterim: check your /var/cache/apt/archives
[05:34] <folta> can someone help me with getting a nova-t dvb card to work?
[05:35] <alterim> but i though 'adding a cd' would mean simply telling apt that the cd is a source, not actually copying it's contents!
[05:35] <Seveas> alterim, try apt-get clean
[05:35] <membreya> alterim: to truly test it do a sudo apt-get clean
[05:35] <alterim> what does that do?
[05:35] <membreya> die Seveas i win!!! mwuahaha!
[05:35] <membreya> alterim: it clears out your /var/cache/apt/archives/ directory
[05:35] <alterim> i didn't even realise there was a cache, that's misleading
[05:36] <alterim> membreya, you're the first person to have helped me. are you on aim/msn?
[05:36] <membreya> IRC is fine, it shares the answers :)
[05:36] <alterim> not too personal though
[05:36] <randabis> it doesn't need to be personal
[05:36] <alterim> but fine
[05:37] <alterim> i don't really understand the whole 'no way i'm not adding you to a messenger' or the whole 'no PM's plz' mentality
[05:37] <alterim> thats yahoo chat stuff
[05:37] <membreya> alterim: if you really want it's membreya@hotmail.com :)
[05:37] <eruin> I'd never add anyone but my actual friends on IM
[05:37] <alterim> i simply want the odd bit of proper help, i don't want cam cyber
[05:37] <randabis> because people abuse it
[05:37] <membreya> eruin: I don't have friends :P
[05:37] <eruin> ;>)
[05:38] <queuetue> Can anyone explain why my gnome broke after the hoary update yesterday morning?  i have since removed and reinstalled just about every gnome package, and cleared out settings (deleted .gconf, .gnome, .gnome2), and still, the panels come up blank, the session appears to die, and there is no way to use gnome...  This also happens for new users...  Can someone tell me how to debug this, please?
[05:38] <gsdfgsdfg> hi
[05:38] <randabis> queuetue, did you try backing up ~/.gnome and removing it like I suggested earlier?
[05:38] <gsdfgsdfg> I've problems running xorg
[05:38] <randabis> oh
[05:38] <randabis> didn't read all the way
[05:38] <randabis> sorry
[05:39] <queuetue> randabis, Yes, i had tried that before you siggested it.  It did not.
[05:39] <queuetue> Np.
[05:39] <jeanjean> queuetue dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:39] <Bazzi> queuetue apt-get remove gnome apt-get clean apt-get install gnome?
[05:39] <queuetue> jeanjean, You think it's x-related?
[05:39] <queuetue> Bazzi, Done it already.
[05:39] <gsdfgsdfg> I've upgrated to hoary but now X's doesnt boot
[05:39] <Bazzi> then it could be x related yes
[05:39] <jeanjean> queuetue: it reconfigure your xorg.conf file
[05:39] <apokryphos> gsdfgsdfg: have you tried reconfiguring your x?
[05:39] <Blue_Tek> hey all
[05:39] <queuetue> Bazzi, In fact, done it with gtk, taking out the entire quite and all hangfers-on.
[05:40] <queuetue> jeanjean, Yes, but I'm not sure why you'd want me to do that, since it's not an X problem...
[05:40] <apokryphos> gsdfgsdfg: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:40] <Blue_Tek> does any 1 no in aMSN how to be able to see other peoples display picture and make ures static so wen you close the window and open it again its still there?
[05:40] <jeanjean> queuetue: send to the wrong person sorry
[05:40] <queuetue> Ah, np.
[05:40] <folta> my dvb device seems to be at /dvb  rather than /dev/dvb: what can i do?
[05:41] <gsdfgsdfg> I've tryed to run xorgcfg... but it dont do anything
[05:41] <queuetue> folta, yyour devce is *mounted* at /dvd, or the actual device node is located at /dvd?
[05:41] <gsdfgsdfg> I tryed aslso xorgcfg -textmode but in card options there are only TWO drivers ati and vmware
[05:42] <folta> queuetue, dvb, not dvd: it's a digital telly card, and i don't know the dfference
[05:42] <queuetue> folta, how well do you know unix-like systems?  Do you know the difference between a mountpoint and a device?
[05:43] <membreya> damn ..does gaim support display pics?
[05:43] <Seveas> queuetue, i dont think that its a storage device
[05:43] <apokryphos> gsdfgsdfg: did you try what I just suggested?
[05:43] <Blue_Tek> yes gaim does
[05:43] <Seveas> membreya, yes
[05:43] <folta> queuetue, i'm a bit of a newb, i only have a vague idea
[05:43] <folta> i tyhink it's mounted at /dvb, but i could be wrong
[05:43] <membreya> ok Seveas, you REALLY need to be a bit more elaborative on your answers ;)
[05:44] <Seveas> membreya, why?
[05:44] <queuetue> folta, if this is not a storae device, then I would not expect it to be munted anywhere - what *is* this device?
[05:44] <membreya> lol because your answers are binary..either 0 or 1 ...yes or no ..never any more info :P
[05:44] <apokryphos> membreya: I don't think that's fair ;-). They're not.
[05:44] <folta> queuetue, it's a nova-t terrestrial digital television card
[05:44] <Seveas> 10011010 0011010
[05:44] <membreya> lol Seveas !!!
[05:44] <Seveas> hmm
[05:45] <queuetue> folta, You're going to want to go find people in a channel or list specific to that hardware, then - I doubt you'll find much knowledge about it in a general forum like this one...
[05:45] <folta> ok queuetue, i'll tgry and find one :)
[05:46] <queuetue> folta, try video4linux
[05:46] <folta> thanks queuetue
[05:46] <corza> hey i need some help with samba printer sharing
[05:46] <Blue_Tek> does any 1 no in aMSN how to be able to see other peoples display picture and make ures static so wen you close the window and open it again its still there?
[05:47] <corza> my windows computer can view the printer but its not 'connected'
[05:47] <gsdfgsdfg> thanks
[05:47] <corza> i need to allow access some how could someone help me?
[05:47] <gsdfgsdfg> now.. everything is in english... so if i want to change it what I sohuld do?
[05:48] <elcu> queuetue, no luck with the panels, hey?
[05:48] <queuetue> elcu, None yet.  I'm about to ask in here again.
[05:49] <randabis> if all else fails, backup and reinstall :/
[05:50] <corza> when i try to login to localhost:631/admin what username do i use?
[05:50] <elcu> queuetue: Is it possible it may be a hardware issue, seeing as how I had the problem straight after install?
[05:51] <JDahl> corza, I think Ubuntu removed the webbased configuration for CUPS...
[05:51] <queuetue> elcu, Not likely.
[05:51] <corza> JDahl: yeah i just worked that out lol.. how do i share it with samba do u know how?
[05:52] <JDahl> corza, sorry... I've never had to share anything with a Windows computer :P
[05:52] <Seveas> membreya,
[05:52] <Seveas> 01111001 01100101 01110011
[05:52] <corza> JDahl ok
[05:52] <Keizer> 4 life
[05:52] <corza> Seveas: could u help me out with sharing my Printer with a windows box?
[05:52] <membreya> oh? I thought it was 10000110 10011010 10001100
[05:53] <Seveas> nope, i dont use samba
[05:53] <Seveas> 01111001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01100011 01101111 01110101 01101100 01100100 00100000 01101110 01101111 01110100 00100000 01100010 01100101 00100000 01101101 01101111 01110010 01100101 00100000 01110111 01110010 01101111 01101110 01100111
[05:53] <corza> Seveas: damn
[05:53] <Bazzi> wtbinary
[05:53] <HiddenWolf> Can anyone advise me on how I can set up this system so that I can reach it from my new system and pull all the data over through the network?
[05:53] <corza> can someone help me out with samba
[05:54] <JDahl> corza, Did you install samba yet?
[05:54] <corza> JDahl: yes its installed
[05:54] <Seveas> hiddeenwolf: install openssh-server on this one, mc on the other and copy all you want :)
[05:54] <corza> JDahl: My Windows computer can view the printer and i've already set up the driver for it
[05:54] <corza> JDahl: but it hasnt got access to the printer
[05:55] <corza> JDahl: denied.. so i have to enable access some how
[05:55] <JDahl> corza, I think you may have to add a samba user with 'smbpasswd -a' and 'smbpasswd -e'
[05:56] <corza> JDahl: there should be a way i can shut off passwords all together
[05:57] <membreya> corza: wouldn't that be smbusers?
[05:57] <JDahl> corza, I dont know much about samba, I just remember having to use smbpasswd a long time ago
[05:57] <elcu> queuetue: it might be nfs related: http://tinyurl.com/6nttx
[05:57] <corza> membreya: what?
[05:57] <HiddenWolf> seveas: I've got /home and about 100g of data to pull. Is openssh the best solution for that?
[05:57] <saber> hiddenwolf: the best solution would be to put the disks on the same machine, and just use cp
[05:57] <JDahl> HiddenWolf, yes, scp or rsync would be just fine
[05:58] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, yes, openssh uses compression :)
[05:58] <Seveas> JDahl, no scp for that much data
[05:58] <Seveas> better use mc :)
[05:58] <_gremlin> how do i get wine to work with ubuntu?
[05:58] <Seveas> (than you can see progress and activity :))
[05:59] <Xappe> _gremlin: install and run it
[05:59] <randabis> _gremlin, apt-get install wine
[06:00] <queuetue> elcu, I do have a wonky nfs server - I woinder how ot make gnome stop paying attention to it.
[06:00] <randabis> you could stop portmap :p
[06:00] <HiddenWolf> saber: true, but those disks contain an lvm, and I'm not really sure if that'll work out. Besides I'd have to take out the disks, build them in, rerout a bunch of power cables etc.
[06:01] <Blue_Tek> does any one now how to see other peoples display pictures in aMSN
[06:01] <tritium> You're supposed to remove portmap when you upgrade to hoary anyway: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[06:02] <corza> JDahl: i just installed webmin any idea on how to use it lol
[06:03] <bitsmash> whats this....wwheres an mplayer package http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/index.html
[06:04] <bitsmash> looks like some stupid stuff there
[06:04] <wezzer> yea
[06:04] <wezzer> http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html
[06:04] <wezzer> there you can download it
[06:04] <wezzer> software patents suck
[06:04] <corza> anyone know how to use webmin-samba?
[06:05] <GarySaved> When I go to start BitTorrent, it wants some meta file.  WHat is that about?
[06:05] <membreya> corza: whats wrong?
[06:05] <eruin> GarySaved: the torrent file
[06:05] <lunitik> GarySaved: it wants a .torrent file... go find a torrent you want to download from...
[06:06] <bitsmash> ooooh pantents...scary...NOT
[06:06] <bitsmash> they wanna patent the ocean
[06:06] <lunitik> bitsmash: a lot of networks have been going down recently due to the issue...
[06:06] <randabis> tritium, really? lol I never did that
[06:06] <[nrx] > I think i've already asked this.. but, does anyone know of an application that'll connect to the msn network and also allow the use of the webcam feature?
[06:06] <bitsmash> lunitik: whos making them?
[06:06] <kevwil> anyone know how to make evolution check for new mail automatically on start up?
[06:06] <tritium> randabis, yep.  Did you read the URL?
[06:07] <randabis> tritium, yes, quite a while back..must have missed that part
[06:07] <randabis> I haven't had any issues though
[06:07] <GarySaved> I go to download the Hoary preview, and it says it is unauthorized with this tracker?
[06:07] <lunitik> bitsmash: laws that make it feasible to sue those deemed responsible (people writing p2p clients... distributing things in general...)
[06:07] <randabis> I wouldn't use those torrents...there aren't enough seeds
[06:08] <airox> hahaha
[06:08] <eruin> [nrx] : for linux? none.
[06:08] <airox> randabis: Or, Use the torrents because there aren't enough seeds.
[06:08] <[nrx] > eruin, d'you know if there's ever been any talk of it at least?
[06:08] <eruin> [nrx] : afaik it's todo for gaim
[06:08] <lunitik> eruin: not true... gaim-vv and kopete can...
[06:08] <bitsmash> lunitik: ahahah they dont know the half of what theyre trying to do
[06:08] <corza> wow new cursors in the update :)
[06:08] <lunitik> eruin: although gaim-vv does the pure thing...
[06:09] <GarySaved> Does anyone know what that error is about?
[06:09] <[nrx] > eruin, thanks... another thing, how the hell do you sign into msn with gaim? heh
[06:09] <lunitik> eruin: kopete just uses netmeeting/gnomemeeting...
[06:09] <airox> Is gaim-vv already available for ubuntu in a .deb ?
[06:09] <lunitik> [nrx] : gaim-vv
[06:09] <randabis> airox, or, download it from a mirror then seed it in the tracker
[06:09] <tritium> airox, no
[06:09] <airox> :(
[06:09] <[nrx] > lunitik, does it offer the webcam functionality?
[06:09] <Skid> hi folks, anyone familar with linux-wlan-ng ? I can't get my Adpatec Ultra pcmcia wifi card working (AWN8030).. linux wlan site says its a prism 2.5 chipset, but when i plug it in it says unsupported card in socket 1
[06:09] <eruin> [nrx] : you add a new account to the msn protocol, enter your email as screen name, then your password ;)
[06:10] <kevwil> anyone know how to make evolution check for new mail automatically on start up?
[06:10] <lunitik> [nrx] : you go to accounts... look in the list that is displaying AIM/ICQ by default... choose MSN... and enter email and password...
[06:10] <[nrx] > eruin, do you get two seperate buddy lists?
[06:10] <Skid> kevwil: its in the mail prefs
[06:10] <Skid> 'check on startup'
[06:10] <Skid> above check every 10mins i think
[06:10] <tenz> hi...does anybody know how to change the resolution (in Ubuntu hoary) of the LoginScreen?
[06:10] <lunitik> [nrx] : yes... although not evetirely sure how well...
[06:10] <airox> Is there some howto about installing gaim-vv ?
[06:10] <[nrx] > lunitik, k thanks.
[06:10] <airox> Or do we have to do this from source ?
[06:10] <jeanjean_> tenz: edit the xorg.conf file
[06:10] <lunitik> [nrx] : yes... you can log into as many accounts as you like...
[06:11] <lunitik> [nrx] : http://gaim-vv.sf.net
[06:11] <tenz> jeanjean: is there a special line that I have to change?
[06:11] <tritium> airox, you'll have build from source
[06:11] <airox> And I still can't seem to find howto let gaim show the offline contacts ...
[06:11] <jeanjean_> tenz: only your loginscreen or everything
[06:12] <meng> about gaim, how to compile 1.2.0?
[06:12] <tenz> jeanjean: I need to change only my loginscreen
[06:12] <lunitik> meng: 'apt-get -b source gaim'
[06:12] <jeanjean_> what loginscreen do you use gdm ?
[06:12] <meng> i installed all of the dependancies, but i still could not pass ./configure
[06:13] <tritium> lunitik, that will build 1.1.4
[06:13] <tenz> jeanjean: yeah, I think....its just tha standart
[06:13] <lunitik> tritium: bah... just noticed that...
[06:13] <meuserj|work> meng, apt-get build-dep gaim
[06:14] <Seveas> meng, what does configure complain about?
[06:14] <meng> cpp missing
[06:14] <Seveas> apt-get install build-essential
[06:15] <eruin> you'll need more than build-essential to compile gaim ;>
[06:15] <GarySaved> Does anyone know why the tracker would not allow me to download Hoary? (In BitTorrent)
[06:15] <meng> checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... no
[06:15] <Seveas> eruin, he said he has all dependencies
[06:15] <eruin> GarySaved: it's probably a false error
[06:15] <Seveas> and cpp is a compiler
[06:15] <tritium> eruin is right.  You'll need those other libraries on the gaim-vv URL
[06:15] <Seveas> (well, preprocessor)
[06:16] <meng> the problem starts from g++
[06:16] <eruin> Seveas: if he doesn't have cpp, I don't think it's likely he has libgtk2.0-dev, etc
[06:16] <GarySaved> eruin, What can I do about it?
[06:16] <Seveas> eruin, we'll find out later :)
[06:16] <Seveas> meng, have you installed build-essential?
[06:16] <eruin> GarySaved: are you using the gnome bittorrent proggie?
[06:16] <GarySaved> eruin, Yes.
[06:17] <eruin> GarySaved: getting a big fat error that won't go away?
[06:17] <tenz> does anybody know how to change the resolution (in Ubuntu hoary) of the LoginScreen?
[06:17] <meng> nope
[06:17] <tritium> tenz, that depends on the resolutions set in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:17] <eruin> GarySaved: click the X to close the error popup. It should connect eventually after that
[06:17] <Xappe> tenz, gdm uses the first resolution in the list in xorg.conf
[06:17] <reynoldlariza> hello?
[06:17] <GarySaved> eruin, Each time I try to download Hoary, it says the tracker says it is unauthorised.
[06:17] <kevwil> no, not the first.  whatever you have as default
[06:17] <eruin> GarySaved: it's a false error message that usually comes up when there are few peers connected
[06:18] <tenz> xappe: interesting I check that out....
[06:18] <kevwil> tenz he gave you wrong info
[06:18] <tritium> tenz, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:19] <meng> do i need more than build-essential?
[06:19] <tritium> meng, did you get the build-deps?
[06:19] <reynoldlariza> hi, just wanna ask if ubuntu fully support VMWAre?
[06:19] <tenz> tritium: I try it....out
[06:19] <GarySaved> O.K.  I'll leave it running.
[06:19] <meng> i am still downloading build-essential
[06:20] <tritium> tenz, if you edit the file by hand, beware of the warning at the top of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:20] <meng> goodness knows why the apt servers are slow now
[06:20] <GarySaved> eruin, Is there a way to have BitTorrent running without having something upload to me?
[06:20] <looksaus> hm, is there any special reason the docbook-xsl package in hoary is really out of date?
[06:20] <meng> so get build-essential and build-deps, then?
[06:20] <Keizer> Uhm
[06:21] <eruin> GarySaved: the whole point is that you should be uploaded to ;) - you can cap the upload rate
[06:21] <Keizer> I tried installing flash to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox and it no workie
[06:21] <tritium> meng, not exactly.  after you get build-essential, apt-get build-dep gaim
[06:21] <Skid> http://linux_wless.passys.nl/ my card is supported ont hat page (Adaptec AWN 8030)... but the card shows up as unsupported ?
[06:21] <reynoldlariza> does ubuntu fully supports VMWAre?
[06:21] <dangli> Hi all, just installed Ubuntu Hoary Array 7, how come there is no icon on the desktop?
[06:21] <blue-frog> hi all
[06:21] <looksaus> dangli, because they left it out on purpose?
[06:22] <tritium> Keizer, there's a flashplayer-mozilla package in universe
[06:22] <GarySaved> eruin, I meant to have it running, so others can use it, but without me downloading anything?
[06:22] <tritium> multiverse, rather
[06:22] <dangli> ok, but i right click desktop and created an launcher, can't see that either
[06:22] <eruin> GarySaved: yeah, just leave it
[06:22] <blue-frog> just installed ubuntu and am at a loss to authenticate this ubuntu machine to ldap server. anyone could help. pls?
[06:22] <meng> after apt-get build-dep gaim, then what?
[06:23] <tritium> meng, try to run ./configure again
[06:23] <tritium> you're building 2.0 from source, right
[06:23] <tritium> ?
[06:24] <meng> yup, coz the apt repos don't have 1.2.0
[06:24] <dud> I don't suppose anyone has a quick and easy fix for when the keyboard stop repeating pressed down keystrokes?
[06:25] <dud> happens once in a while to me...
[06:25] <saber> man kbdrate
[06:26] <Keizer> tritium, I'm pretty sure I enabled Multiverse.
[06:26] <padlefot> whtas the difference between multiverse and universe and such? i've never really understood all that..
[06:26] <reynoldlariza> does ubuntu fully supports VMWAre?
[06:26] <Bazzi> padlefot both you named are not officially supported by ubuntu
[06:26] <pcguglielmo> ciao a tutti
[06:26] <Bazzi> so "use at own risk"
[06:27] <padlefot> Bazzi: and wich are?
[06:27] <dud> that didnt do it saber ... but thanks anyway
[06:27] <Bazzi> universe+multiverse
[06:27] <padlefot> yeah i got that, but whats the name of those supported by ubuntu?
[06:28] <Bazzi> main
[06:28] <Bazzi> restricted
[06:28] <padlefot> okok
[06:28] <padlefot> :)
[06:28] <padlefot> thanx
[06:28] <Bazzi> hoary-* / warty-*
[06:28] <meng> i can't get  apt-get build-dep gaim
[06:28] <tritium> Keizer, remind me what you're looking for?
[06:28] <Keizer> flash-player
[06:29] <mikep> blue-frog: http://craige.mcwhirter.com.au/blog/archive/2005/01/17making_a_debian_or_ubuntu_mach
[06:29] <Keizer> Do I need this: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[06:29] <Keizer> Because it's commented.
[06:29] <tritium> Not for multiverse, no.
[06:29] <Keizer> I need universe
[06:29] <Keizer> How do I get it?
[06:29] <tritium> Keizer, the package name is flashplayer-mozilla
[06:29] <Keizer>  deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[06:29] <blue-frog> ty mike gonna have a look
[06:30] <tritium> Keizer, you can always apt-cache search <searchterm>, e.g. apt-cache search flashplayer
[06:30] <Keizer> E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla
[06:30] <Keizer> I installed everything
[06:30] <Keizer> But it still doesn't work
[06:30] <tritium> Keizer, then you need to add multiverse, and do an apt-get update
[06:30] <Keizer> Link me to the page.
[06:31] <looksaus> Keizer, it's really not that difficult
[06:31] <tritium> Keizer, see here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary/
[06:31] <padlefot> Keizer, you can have my sources.lst - then run apt-get update, and its done..
[06:31] <kevman> Hi, I got my TV card to work in Ubuntu, but i have to give a bunch of rmmod/modprobe commands each time I boot to get it to work.
[06:31] <garrut> anyone here using freenx?
[06:32] <airox> kevman: Check out /etc/modules
[06:32] <kevman> Can I make it so that I don't have to it everytime I boot?
[06:32] <looksaus> garrut, no, but I am working from an ltsp setup here
[06:32] <tritium> Keizer, follow the sources.list from that URL, uncomment the universe/multiverse lines, and do a sudo apt-get update
[06:32] <kevman> airox, can I use it to keep it from loading a module?
[06:33] <tritium> kevman, no, but you can use /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[06:33] <airox> No.
[06:33] <looksaus> is there something like an "experimental" repository for Ubuntu?
[06:33] <garrut> my problem is that freenx doesn't seem to be able to show the session i'm running from the client on the hosts monitor
[06:33] <lunitik> looksaus: no... but most things in experimental in debian are in hoary  :/
[06:33] <looksaus> or does anyone know about updated docbook-xsl .deb?
[06:34] <kevman> can I pass parameters iwth /etc/modules, like bttv modprobe tuner=2 ?
[06:34] <lunitik> looksaus: experimental tends to be populated by things that might not run on all arches... but Ubuntu doesn't support anything peticularly exotic
[06:34] <looksaus> lunitik, it's just that I come across a really embarassing bug in docbook-xsl from hoary
[06:34] <looksaus> where pdfs I generate contain tex artefacts like "0.60+1em" in every listitem
[06:35] <looksaus> it's a known bug, and fixed in upstream docbook-xsl
[06:35] <looksaus> but ubuntu docbook-xsl is from 2004/09
[06:35] <looksaus> strange, for a package that is so crucial to the project...
[06:35] <Keizer> LMAO it still doesn't work
[06:36] <Dreamer3> ok, my ubuntu is using too much memory, any ideas how to cut down on memory usage before deciding to ditch gnome? i only have 64mb
[06:36] <dangli> my nautilus desktop can only show folders but not launcher icons.....
[06:36] <looksaus> Dr_Ace_Work, 64 is really little
[06:36] <HiddenWolf> Dreamer3: 64mb and gnome is not worth it. Ditch :)
[06:36] <tritium> Keizer, it's there
[06:36] <looksaus> sorry, I meant Dreamer3
[06:37] <Dreamer3> HiddenWolf: ah, but so pretty :)
[06:37] <meng> i'll get back if i hit a snag soon
[06:37] <Keizer> tritium, It installed but I still can't see flash in firefox
[06:37] <looksaus> ditch it for fluxbox, or icewm, or busybox
[06:37] <Dreamer3> looksaus: xfce wouldn't be any better?
[06:37] <tritium> Keizer, did you restart firefox?
[06:37] <folta> when i try to play something i get "ALSA device 'default' is already in use by another prpgram' - andi can't get any sound any other way either - what's wrong?
[06:37] <looksaus> Dreamer3, depends on your taste
[06:37] <kevman> tritium, does /etc/hotplug/blacklist only stop it from loading modules automatically, or them from loading altogether?
[06:37] <Keizer> tritium, Yeah
[06:38] <lunitik> Dreamer3: haha... I have 10x that... and am still weary about putting GNOME on this box  :)
[06:38] <folta> oh, no i get 'Internal GStreamer error: negotiation problem.  File a bug.'
[06:38] <Dreamer3> lunitik: 640mb?
[06:38] <membreya> folta: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/index.php/Setting_up_Dmix_for_ALSA
[06:38] <Dreamer3> lunitik: it runs fine with 512mb on my laptop :)
[06:38] <looksaus> I really like fluxbox, so much even that I regularly use it on my 1 Gb ram box
[06:39] <looksaus> folta, you might want to use something like ESD...
[06:39] <lunitik> because of the nature of C... there are many libs... libs take longer to load than if the functions were contained in the app...
[06:39] <membreya> looksaus: not necessary
[06:39] <Dreamer3> lunitik: correct
[06:39] <tritium> kevman, automatically
[06:39] <looksaus> membreya, maybe not, but it could be a solution, right?
[06:39] <membreya> looksaus: the URL i provided fixes the problem
[06:40] <kevman> Sweet
[06:40] <Keizer> Gah, i'll worry about it later
[06:40] <Keizer> I'm going to code a bit
[06:40] <membreya> folta: once you apply the patch you will need to do a sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[06:40] <njaaazz> is it someone who now how i can fin out where my disk is mounted?
[06:40] <looksaus> ah, oops, overlooked that
[06:40] <eruin> njaaazz: sudo mount
[06:40] <looksaus> njaaazz, mount
[06:40] <looksaus> or df
[06:42] <folta> ok, i don't get any errors, but i don't get any sound either...
[06:42] <Dreamer3> and gnome on 128mb?
[06:42] <desrt> Dreamer3; we're working on it :)
[06:42] <membreya> folta: did you restart ALSA
[06:43] <Dreamer3> desrt: *laughs*
[06:43] <dazed> can anyone help me with XMMS i get a wicked error when trying to load it through the terminal and it just opens and closes when loading it otherwise?
[06:43] <desrt> Dreamer3; seriously, though.  things are improving.
[06:43] <folta> membreya, yes, that's when it stopped giving errors
[06:43] <desrt> 256meg isn't bad anymore
[06:43] <crimsun> btw, restarting alsa won't suffice.  You'll need to force-reload.
[06:43] <membreya> folta: check alsamixer and make sure nothing is muted or set to no volume
[06:44] <Dreamer3> desrt: thinking of buying a mini-itx via 5000 system... wondering what it would run well
[06:44] <membreya> crimsun: all I needed to do was a restart of ALSA
[06:44] <crimsun> membreya: for?
[06:44] <desrt> Dreamer3; deck it out with ram
[06:44] <dazed> anyone help me with XMMS?
[06:44] <Dreamer3> desrt: *laughs* well, want to keep the price reasonable :) it's only 566mhz
[06:44] <desrt> Dreamer3; i mean seriously... ram is everything these days.
[06:44] <lunitik> dazed: whats the issue?
[06:44] <crimsun> dazed: what error?  Please paste in #flood.
[06:44] <membreya> crimsun: when I applied the patch for dmix
[06:45] <desrt> Dreamer3; eden cpu?
[06:45] <Dreamer3> desrt: yes
[06:45] <crimsun> membreya: what patch?  dmix is alsa-lib.  No restart of ALSA is even necessary in that case, just restarting any ALSA apps.
[06:45] <desrt> spiffy
[06:45] <Dreamer3> desrt: i want to find a distro/set of apps that runs FAST :)
[06:45] <membreya> crimsun: refer to http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/index.php/Setting_up_Dmix_for_ALSA
[06:45] <dazed> crimsun, and Lunitik: posted error in #flood
[06:45] <desrt> i've wanted to build one of those for a while, but i keep coming back to the realisation that i have absolutely no use for it :)
[06:45] <membreya> Dreamer3: FreeBSD :P
[06:45] <crimsun> dazed: are you running Hoary?
[06:45] <folta> membreya, everything seems to be on
[06:45] <dazed> Warty
[06:45] <Dreamer3> desrt: i'm liking the idea of a PC with 0 moving parts
[06:46] <desrt> Dreamer3; if memory is tight, check out xfce
[06:46] <Dreamer3> desrt: yeah, downloading now
[06:46] <crimsun> dazed: then you'll need to install libesd0 in addition to libmikmod2.
[06:46] <Dreamer3> desrt: to try on this 64mb system
[06:46] <membreya> god only 64mb of RAM ... I cry @ only having 512mb :(
[06:46] <desrt> what are you using for media?
[06:46] <dazed> ok crimsun: ill give that a shot
[06:46] <folta> i still get an error when i start volume monitor, saying 'run esd from a terminal;
[06:46] <crimsun> dazed: it's a known issue and has been resolved in Hoary's libc6.
[06:46] <Dreamer3> desrt: right now i'm 60ram used, 51swap used
[06:46] <desrt> membreya; ya.  seriously.  512meg is the lower bound for seriously using a computer
[06:46] <Dreamer3> desrt: flash
[06:46] <desrt> Dreamer3; avoid putting swap on flash
[06:47] <membreya> desrt: I have the CPU power to make up for it ;)
[06:47] <Dreamer3> desrt: *laughs*
[06:47] <Dreamer3> desrt: why? wear it out?
[06:47] <EddieX> What is the easiest way to compile the latest kernel from kernel.org except the ordinary way.
[06:47] <desrt> Dreamer3; yes.  and it's slow.
[06:47] <Dalkus> How can I shut down X completley?
[06:47] <Dalkus> without restarting
[06:47] <Dreamer3> desrt: well, faster than all your apps crashing cause you have no memory at all, right? :)
[06:47] <desrt> Dalkus; if you want a quit solution, press ctrl+alt+backspace
[06:47] <membreya> Dalkus: press ctrl+alt+f1...login and do a sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[06:47] <desrt> *quick
[06:47] <crimsun> membreya: those instructions are incorrect; you do not have to restart ALSA, only the ALSA app(s)
[06:47] <dazed> crimsun: says i alredy have libesd0 but im gettin libmikmod2
[06:47] <dazed> should fix right?
[06:47] <Dreamer3> desrt: but... ubuntu wouldn't work on a 512mb flash card :)
[06:47] <Goshawk> EddieX, make-kpkg??
[06:47] <Dalkus> dealmo720, that restarts :)
[06:47] <membreya> desrt: ctrl+alt+backspace onto restarts
[06:47] <Dalkus> membreya, thanks
[06:48] <crimsun> dazed: for 99% of the cases, yes
[06:48] <crimsun> dazed: (presuming you're using the binary-only Nvidia drivers)
[06:48] <desrt> Dreamer3; i just bought a 1GB usb flash key the other day.  C$99
[06:48] <djp> how do people here rss?
[06:48] <Dreamer3> desrt: and if i go for a 4g microdrive, then i have moving parts :)
[06:48] <Dreamer3> desrt: though i wonder if those are quiet
[06:49] <desrt> Dreamer3; considered nfs?
[06:49] <eruin> man, rhythmbox is sooo great for burning audio cds
[06:49] <Dreamer3> desrt: i want the system to be stand-alone :)
[06:49] <dazed> crimsun: i believe i am so lets hope *_*
[06:49] <lunitik> eruin: whened they add that feature?
[06:49] <lunitik> eruin: or you being sarcastic?
[06:49] <eruin> in the 0.9 branch
[06:49] <eruin> lunitik: hell no
[06:49] <lunitik> eruin: ahh... coolies
[06:49] <membreya> crimsun: if you think that page is wrong, write to the amarok developers :)
[06:49] <dazed> it loads now crimsun thanks a bunch
[06:49] <crimsun> membreya: I'm fixing it, since I also fixed their ALSA page
[06:50] <membreya> lol ok crimsun :P
[06:50] <desrt> heh.  my ubuntu install is using 16gig
[06:50] <desrt> i wonder how that's even possible
[06:50] <lunitik> No more stupid "how do I get k3b working in gnome" questions... *does happy dance*
[06:50] <membreya> wtf desrt ..
[06:50] <eruin> lunitik: yup! :D
[06:50] <desrt> membreya; ya.  no kidding
[06:50] <desrt> i think it's probably because of doom3, neverwinter nights, ut2003, ut2004, ...
[06:50] <membreya> possibly :P
[06:51] <Dreamer3> anyone know a good place in the US to order ITX parts/cases/etc?
[06:51] <folta> speaker-test works - nothing else does
[06:51] <folta> i.e. nothing else produces a sound
[06:51] <desrt> Dreamer3; unfortunately, all the good places seem to be in the UK
[06:51] <eruin> "the new ubuntu installer" - now with nwn, doom3, ut2003, ut2003, halflife, cedega - you name it - we've got it!
[06:51] <Cred> crimsun, hi. Did you know something about sound problems? I remember someone helping me out couple of days ago but not with a final solution.
[06:51] <desrt> halflife sucks
[06:51] <Keizer> Beep media player
[06:51] <Dreamer3> desrt: so just buckle up and order overseas?
[06:51] <eruin> desrt: amen
[06:52] <desrt> Dreamer3; *shrug*
[06:52] <desrt> Dreamer3; i haven't looked into the situation very closely in the last year or so
[06:52] <lunitik> Keizer: answer to how to get z working is not install y...
[06:52] <Dreamer3> desrt: i wish newegg has this stuff
[06:52] <lunitik> Keizer: thats not helpful
[06:53] <lunitik> (where, in this case, z = xmms and y = bmp)
[06:53] <Keizer> LOL
[06:53] <PacoBCN> is it only me or the forums don't work?
[06:53] <Keizer> lunitik, I was just spatting
[06:54] <Keizer> I had to killed -15 esd pid to get my sound working.
[06:54] <berstein> Hello.  Anyone having memory allocation errors after upgrading to Hoary preview?
[06:54] <lunitik> PacoBCN: define 'don't work'... they are loading here  :/
[06:54] <PacoBCN> Keizer, esd is very annoying
[06:54] <PacoBCN> and repos download speed...
[06:54] <Keizer> You know it
[06:54] <njaaazz> how do i mount my ntfs disk=
[06:54] <PacoBCN> 396 bytes a sec
[06:54] <lunitik> Keizer: have the app use esd... its easier  :/
[06:55] <PacoBCN> njaaazz, only once or forever?
[06:55] <lunitik> Keizer: too much uses esd, it'll just keep respawning all the time  :/
[06:55] <PacoBCN> and there's no way to make Skype work with esd
[06:55] <mikep> Dreamer3: http://www.computergate.com
[06:55] <njaaazz> PacoBCN forever
[06:55] <eruin> skype
[06:55] <eruin> urk
[06:55] <PacoBCN> njaaazz, then you have to know the device name: sudo fdisk -l
[06:56] <PacoBCN> njaaazz, then add a line in /etc/fstab
[06:56] <queuetue> If anyoine else has the gnome-hangs problem?  Tell them to fix thier firewall, because it's blocking NFS - believe i tor not, this was my gnome problem.
[06:56] <membreya> lunitik: VoIP ;)
[06:56] <WeirdAl> Hello! I'm using blackbox but I want to turn the screensaver and screen-turn-off power saving stuff off.
[06:56] <WeirdAl> What do I edit? :-)
[06:56] <PacoBCN> njaaazz, sorry, first create a folder in /mnt/
[06:56] <lunitik> membreya: *shrug* kphone  :/
[06:56] <PacoBCN> njaaazz, mp me and I'll tell you
[06:57] <lunitik> membreya: and kphone is open source  *g*
[06:57] <PacoBCN> during the last 2 days I was very upset with Ubuntu
[06:57] <PacoBCN> tons of problems
[06:57] <membreya> lunitik: oh...so people in windows can install it ? :P
[06:57] <eruin> PacoBCN: create it in /media/ like everybody else
[06:57] <lunitik> membreya: hell... even gnomemeeting does VoIP  :/
[06:57] <Dreamer3> mikep: good company?
[06:57] <PacoBCN> eruin, well, it's a matter of preference
[06:57] <PacoBCN> :)
[06:57] <membreya> lunitik: it's the quality of skyp :)
[06:57] <eruin> true;>
[06:58] <lunitik> membreya: its closed... looks like crap... and is from the folks that failed @ kazaa   :/
[06:58] <mikep> Dreamer3: 1 name on google search. Out of California.
[06:58] <jpizza> hi
[06:58] <WeirdAl> If I log in under gnome will screen saver preferences there also apply to Blackbox?
[06:58] <lamont> any kino users out there with a powerpc ubuntu box and some time to kill?
[06:59] <lunitik> membreya: and its qt on linux... so gnome users should really dislike it... but then, kphone is qt too  :/
[06:59] <WeirdAl> ffs
[06:59] <WeirdAl> Never mind.
[06:59] <WeirdAl> Can anyone suggest why bittorrents cause my computer to lock up?
[07:00] <membreya> WeirdAl: maybe its just thrashing your harddrive to allocate the filespace?
[07:00] <WeirdAl> It's already started to download... 18%
[07:01] <WeirdAl> btdownloadcurses and Azureus both do it.
[07:01] <WeirdAl> Although Azureus tends to just disappear.
[07:01] <WeirdAl> Is it processor intensive? I don't see why it should be...
[07:02] <Dalkus> Games are running very very slowly, and very jumpy for me, can anyone suggest what I could do to counter this? The same games ran fine in mandrake (and windows)
[07:02] <Dalkus> nvidia drivers have been installed
[07:03] <PacoBCN> nvidia drivers don't want to run in 686
[07:03] <membreya> WeirdAl: http://azureus.sourceforge.net/2200/cpu_usage.php
[07:03] <Dalkus> PacoBCN, say what?
[07:03] <membreya> i personally blame your java WeirdAl
[07:03] <ions> java is just slow
[07:03] <Dalkus> They will run better under a 386 kernel?
[07:03] <WeirdAl> But btdownloadcurses does it too.
[07:04] <PacoBCN> Dalkus, no, they forced me to install 386 kernel
[07:04] <PacoBCN> Dalkus, and couldn't run them in 686
[07:04] <Dalkus> PacoBCN, isn't the k7 kernel a 686 build?
[07:04] <Dalkus> Runs fine for me in k7 kernel
[07:04] <Dalkus> well, not fine
[07:04] <Dalkus> but runs
[07:04] <PacoBCN> not with Intel 686
[07:04] <PacoBCN> it used to untill yesterday
[07:04] <Dalkus> a sec, gotta restart
[07:05] <perhe> what does it mean when I try to start vpnc-connect and get PAYLOAD_MALFORMED ?
[07:06] <darksatanic> Is it possible to use debootstrap to install an Ubuntu system?
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[07:07] <airox> pfiew ..
[07:07] <airox> Could somebody put a ban ? :)
[07:08] <PacoBCN> wow, spam in Ubuntu!
[07:08] <PacoBCN> nice
[07:08] <BockBilbo> bob2, u there?
[07:08] <darksatanic> Just in case it got lost in the flood: Anyone know if it's possible to use debootstrap to install an Ubuntu system?
[07:08] <fire_> hi
[07:09] <airox> Why don't we have ops over here btw ?
[07:09] <BockBilbo> airox, there ares some ops
[07:10] <fire_> bye
[07:10] <lamont> airox: ops are hiding.. :)
[07:10] <airox> hehe
[07:10] <membreya> they only become ops if you misbehave :P
[07:10] <BockBilbo> hehe
[07:10] <BockBilbo> lol
[07:10] <airox> lamont: Could you set the ban ? :)
[07:11] <airox> Great :)
[07:11] <BockBilbo> its the first time i see spam here
[07:11] <thenuke> this channel could use a bot :)
[07:11] <thenuke> to kick those flooders etc.
[07:11] <Seq> hey, was anybody here yesterday my invalid signatures while updating ubuntu's packages? I've reproduced it again
[07:11] <membreya> thenuke: pyre is a bot
[07:11] <Seq> regarding the invalid signatures issue, that is
[07:12] <membreya> Pyre: tell thenuke samba
[07:12] <thenuke> did not tell
[07:12] <lamont> Seq: what exactly is it saying?
[07:12] <membreya> Pyre: tell thenuke about samba
[07:12] <airox> Well i have seen these spammers a lot on freenode lately :(
[07:12] <membreya> bad PYRE!
[07:12] <thenuke> :-[
[07:12] <Seq> lamont: "W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>"
[07:12] <Seq> lamont: theres also one for security.ubuntu.com.
[07:12] <lamont> Seq: ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists
[07:13] <kkathman> greetings all :)
[07:13] <lamont> any chance that the times span say :05 or :35?
[07:13] <airox> Hi kkathman
[07:13] <kkathman> can dpkg -i install a tar.gz file?
[07:13] <lamont> Seq: and if you apt-get update again, does the issue go away?
[07:14] <Seq> lamont: yeah, it goes away if i update again. i'm not sure what you mean about the time span?
[07:14] <lamont> the timestamps on the files under /var/lib/apt/lists
[07:14] <lamont> are some older and some newer than ~ :05 or :35?
[07:15] <froust> can anyone point me to the ati linux drivers (amd64)?
[07:15] <kkathman> Here's my problem. I tried to get  the static tar.gz of the new Opera last night. It seemed to install, but it didnt install in /usr/bin/ as most apps do and it wont run except right off the install.
[07:15] <[nrx_] > is marillat on a repository somewhere?
[07:15] <froust> i can only find the rpms on their sites.
[07:15] <lamont> [nrx_] : add multiverse to your component list in /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:15] <Se7h> can i get any help in dialing for my adsl isp ?
[07:15] <mdz> froust: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:15] <[nrx_] > lamont, where abouts?
[07:15] <froust> thanks
[07:15] <kkathman> so I am thinking I am going to get the DEB Sarge version, install the libqt package and then install Opera from the standard DEB
[07:15] <[nrx_] > lamont, nm sorry lol
[07:15] <lamont> [nrx_] : heh
[07:15] <kkathman> any comments?
[07:16] <PacoBCN> forums work again
[07:16] <djp> how do you upgdate firefox under warty?
[07:16] <djp> update even!
[07:16] <lamont> [nrx_] : edit /etc/apt/sources.list and follow the universe directions there, but also add 'multiverse'.
[07:16] <kkathman> djp...warty's version of FF is stuck at 0.93
[07:16] <[nrx_] > lamont, yeah :)
[07:16] <lamont> djp: are you asking how to run hoary's firefox on warty?
[07:16] <kkathman> you'll have to download the version from the web site and install it
[07:16] <froust> is it still uglier than hell to get working?
[07:17] <kkathman> hoary isnt up to date either actually
[07:17] <djp> kkathman: is that the way it will stay? should i be concerned with regards any security issues?
[07:17] <Seq> lamont: the time stamps are all over, yeah. if you want, i can go to #flood or something
[07:17] <lamont> Seq /query lamont
[07:17] <kkathman> djp  well its like 3 releases behind now
[07:17] <kkathman> current version of FF is 1.0.2
[07:17] <[nrx_] > lamont, i still can't get it.. says it can't find the package
[07:17] <kkathman> but at least hoary has 1.0
[07:17] <membreya> kkathman: that's what hoary has
[07:17] <lamont>  mozilla-firefox_1.0.2-0ubuntu1.dsc
[07:17] <lamont> is the current hoary version
[07:18] <kkathman> membreya - I just d/l's 5.04 preview....it was 1.0  but they could have updated it yes
[07:18] <lamont> er, make that 1.0.2-0ubuntu2
[07:18] <Se7h> can i get any help in dialing for an adsl isp ?
[07:18] <Se7h> the modem is lighted up
[07:18] <membreya> kkathman: you might want to do a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:18] <kkathman> djp:  just add the hoary repositories to your sources.list and apt-get install mozilla firefox
[07:18] <PacoBCN> Se7h, dialup and adsl?
[07:18] <Se7h> "and" ?
[07:19] <Se7h> just adsl
[07:19] <kkathman> membreya - I did that 304 updates last night :)
[07:19] <PacoBCN> I thought either you have dialup or adsl
[07:19] <PacoBCN> ok
[07:19] <PacoBCN> Wow, tons of new apps in repos!
[07:19] <Se7h> so
[07:19] <kkathman> oops....I meant sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox  I think :)
[07:19] <Se7h> i need to know how to login to the acount
[07:19] <[nrx_] > argh
[07:20] <[nrx_] > why can't i find marilatt?
[07:20] <[nrx_] > what's the actuall package called?
[07:20] <PacoBCN> Se7h, can't help you, my router logs in :(
[07:20] <sig> http://harrisplace.net/?page_id=13
[07:20] <kkathman> membreya:  I dont particularly like FF under linux...its non-performant. Opera is much better, hence why Im trying to get it installed
[07:20] <Se7h> well
[07:20] <Se7h> mine to
[07:20] <Se7h> :P
[07:21] <Se7h> but a friend needs the info
[07:21] <sig> opera blows
[07:21] <membreya> kkathman: I prefer konqueror or if I'm using gnome I use galeon :)
[07:21] <Se7h> so, i gotta ask for him
[07:21] <kkathman> sig - its much faster than most of the browsers tho
[07:21] <PacoBCN> Se7h, no idea :(
[07:21] <kkathman> hmmm galeon?
[07:21] <Seveas> [nrx_] , marillat is not a package
[07:21] <sig> FF is designed under *nix so that statement above is dumb
[07:21] <Seveas> [nrx_] : deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main (use testing main for Warty)
[07:22] <[nrx_] > Seveas, i have that.. but it's still not found.
[07:22] <djp> kkathman: only worry with adding the hoary repos is breaking my warty install. not so happy with upgrading to hoary just yet. my warty install is chugging along in what appears a nice and stable state at the moment! oh well, you make your choices and all that. thanks for the advice though.
[07:22] <PacoBCN> Se7h, I see there's a module of webmin that does it
[07:22] <PacoBCN> Se7h, it might be a solution
[07:22] <Se7h> :o
[07:22] <Se7h> is there?=
[07:22] <kkathman> djp:  then probably the best thing is to just remove the old firefox and install the new from the web site
[07:22] <Se7h> whats its name?
[07:22] <Seveas> [nrx_] , what is "not found"?
[07:22] <GarySaved> I have been trying to download Hoary usint BitTorrent.  Over the last 20 minutes it has tried 6 times, and always lists the error:  'Rejected by Tracker -  Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker'
[07:23] <kkathman> it works I did it on my warty before I went to hoary
[07:23] <PacoBCN> Se7h, webmin-adsl
[07:23] <[nrx_] > Seveas, what syntax should i be using to get it?
[07:23] <membreya> kkathman: http://galeon.sourceforge.net/
[07:23] <Se7h> ty ;)
[07:23] <Seveas> [nrx_] , that line should be in your sources.list
[07:23] <djp> kkathman: ok
[07:23] <PacoBCN> Se7h, ;)
[07:23] <[nrx_] > Seveas, no, what's the syntax for apt-get to get it?
[07:23] <kkathman> great thanks membreya  I'll check that out
[07:23] <Seveas> then you can download packages from that repository
[07:23] <Seveas> get what??
[07:23] <[nrx_] > nm
[07:24] <membreya> kkathman: you can just do a sudo apt-get install galeon ..you will also need to do a sudo apt-get install mozilla-psm
[07:24] <Seveas> [nrx_] , marillat is a repository, add it to /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:24] <Seveas> with apt-get update you will download its list
[07:24] <Se7h> hmm
[07:24] <Se7h> thats for hoary
[07:24] <Seveas> which will then e searchable by apt-cache and synaptic
[07:24] <Se7h> but i guess its just the same
[07:24] <[nrx_] > Seveas, where is the list of applications stored?
[07:24] <Seveas> /var/lib/apt/lists
[07:25] <GarySaved> It seems odd, as the Hoary site says to please use the torrents.
[07:25] <PacoBCN> Se7h, yes
[07:27] <bitar> hey all..
[07:27] <HoMiE-[G] > can anyone help me ?
[07:27] <HoMiE-[G] > with ubuntu ?
[07:27] <HoMiE-[G] > my mouse wont work
[07:27] <HoMiE-[G] > and i know the mouse works
[07:27] <HoMiE-[G] > and i tried 2 diff ones
[07:27] <HoMiE-[G] > what can i do ?
[07:28] <Seveas> chase th cat away
[07:28] <GarySaved> Does anyone have a torrent link other than Hoary that I can try to see if it does work at all?
[07:28] <Seveas> describe "don't work", does it do nothing at all? What type of mouse is it?
[07:29] <membreya> Seveas: 1100 111000010 1100001110000 001001
[07:29] <ions> is it usb?  does lsusb see it?
[07:29] <bitar> as soon as i log in Ubuntu, it tells me " Could not look up internet address for. This will prevent GNOME from operating correctly. It may be possible to correct the problem by adding to the file /ect/hosts... and 2 add to this,  when i got to Computer/System Configuration/Networking... it does as if it's searching for it but then nothin is displayed... what do you think is the problem?
[07:29] <Seveas> 01101101 01100101 01101101 01100010 01110010 01100101 01111001 01100001 00100000 01110011 01110100 01101111 01110000 00100000 01101001 01110100 00100000 00111010 01110000
[07:29] <PacoBCN> yes, let's start talking binary
[07:29] <goldfish> haha
[07:29] <Seveas> only to membreya PacoBCN
[07:29] <membreya> :P
[07:29] <goldfish> irssi has a handy binary script
[07:29] <Seveas> goldfish, i just created one for xchat
[07:30] <Seveas> (3 mins of python coding :))
[07:30] <PacoBCN> our geekness would exceed the allowed level
[07:30] <Seveas> PacoBCN, absolutely :)
[07:30] <membreya> PacoBCN: it's Seveas' fault .. I was pointing out how his answers are typically binary ..eg on or off ... yes or no :P
[07:30] <airox> Irssi has a blowfish one to! It's far more nicer ;)
[07:30] <Seveas> ai :)
[07:30] <HoMiE-[G] > ok
[07:30] <HoMiE-[G] > well
[07:30] <HoMiE-[G] > its a really old computer
[07:30] <PacoBCN> btw, seems that it's impossible to upgrade things now since servers are too slow
[07:30] <HoMiE-[G] > that dont even have usb
[07:30] <HoMiE-[G] > lol
[07:30] <PacoBCN> so...
[07:30] <HoMiE-[G] > and it is a microsoft mouse :P
[07:30] <membreya> Seveas: write me a script for konversation :P
[07:30] <Seveas> HoMiE-[G] , is it ps2 or serial?
[07:31] <PacoBCN> I think it's time for Enemy Territory, awaiting for the day Ubuntuers will have their own server
[07:31] <HoMiE-[G] > serial
[07:31] <HoMiE-[G] > old
[07:31] <HoMiE-[G] > lol
[07:31] <Seveas> HoMiE-[G] , i believe these aren't supported
[07:31] <Seveas> ask in #ubuntu-devel
[07:31] <HoMiE-[G] > kk
[07:32] <HoMiE-[G] > thanks
[07:33] <HoMiE-[G] > lol
[07:33] <HoMiE-[G] > no one is answering me :P
[07:33] <bitar> can anyone help me out?
[07:33] <sig> whats the question bitar ?
[07:33] <bitar> as soon as i log in Ubuntu, it tells me " Could not look up internet address for. This will prevent GNOME from operating correctly. It may be possible to correct the problem by adding to the file /ect/hosts... and 2 add to this,  when i got to Computer/System Configuration/Networking... it does as if it's searching for it but then nothin is displayed... what do you think is the problem?
[07:34] <djp> does anyone know of a way to improve the text when viewing a pdf file under xpdf?
[07:34] <sig> bitar: hostname
[07:34] <bitar> sig: excuse me?
[07:35] <sig> your hostname is the problem it seems
[07:35] <bitar> what can i do to fix it?
[07:35] <synd> hey guys when i try to install the recent version of firefox (1.0.2) it gets this error: Fatal error [-618] : Couldn't open xpistub library
[07:36] <sig> bitar: http://ubuntuguide.org/#changecomputername
[07:36] <j^> hi, is the trashapplet icon broken in hoary, or is it on my installation only?
[07:36] <PacoBCN> I got disconnected: I found out Ubuntu doesn't work if my laptop has no battery and the power cable isn't plugged :)
[07:37] <synd> PacoBCN: that could pose a problem
[07:37] <PacoBCN> synd, indeed, I'm gonna complain!
[07:37] <Seq> PacoBCN: yeah, i can reproduce that as well
[07:38] <PacoBCN> however, beyond the jokes, there is no alert saying the battery is low
[07:38] <sig> PacoBCN: why not use the battery applet
[07:38] <Seq> PacoBCN: if you have the batstat applet on your panel somewhere, you should get a warning
[07:38] <sig> thats what I use....
[07:38] <synd> PacoBCN: i have the same problem on mine..
[07:38] <sig> it warns you with a message and a beep
[07:38] <bitar> sig: site not workin :S
[07:38] <PacoBCN> I have the default applet
[07:39] <synd> PacoBCN: it just sits there on 0%
[07:39] <synd> when i know its 100% full
[07:39] <PacoBCN> which shows you the battery charge and or if it's plugged the power cable
[07:39] <sig> bitar: http://linux.harrisplace.net/ubuntu4.10/#changecomputername
[07:39] <beerorkid> I had to type ubuntu acpi=off to get ubuntu to load on my laptop.  So I have not tried to get acpi working again, and yeah no battery status
[07:39] <Seveas> HoMiE-[G] ,
[07:39] <Seq> synd: you should try using apm instead of acpi, see if it registers then?
[07:39] <kkathman> synd: run firefox-installer  instead of firefox-installer.bin  I think that will solve the problem
[07:39] <Seveas> are you running warty or hoary?
[07:39] <synd> kkathman: thanks, ill try that
[07:40] <PacoBCN> synd, yes, lately I've found more errors than 3 months ago
[07:40] <synd> Seq: how do i go by using apm?
[07:40] <HoMiE-[G] > warty
[07:40] <HoMiE-[G] > i think
[07:40] <HoMiE-[G] > yeah
[07:40] <HoMiE-[G] > it is
[07:40] <Seveas> HoMiE-[G] , then do this:
 PacoBCN: it just sits there
[07:40] <sig> bitar: bookmark http://ubuntuguide.org  <--- this is your best buddy
[07:40] <Seveas> ehm sorry
[07:40] <Seq> synd: it should be in the wiki. i'm not sure because my battery seems to be the opposite and doesn't report anything with apm
[07:40] <Seveas> wrong paste :)
[07:40] <HoMiE-[G] > kk
[07:40] <synd> haha.
[07:40] <HoMiE-[G] > lol
[07:41] <Seveas> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3839.html
[07:41] <bitar> sig: alright.. thx...
[07:41] <tizen> ubuntuguide.org should be a default bookmark with firefox
[07:41] <Seveas> there it is :)
[07:41] <HoMiE-[G] > thanks man
[07:41] <sig> bitar: most likely after you make the change you will need to restart
[07:41] <HoMiE-[G] > i appreciate that
[07:41] <bitar> sig: the site you game me will help me out ?
[07:41] <sig> yes
[07:41] <sig> it has all sorts of good questions/answers
[07:43] <synd> kkathman: what directory is firefox installed at?
[07:44] <sig> synd: type: which firefox
[07:44] <sig> sig@idaho:~ $ which firefox
[07:44] <sig> /usr/bin/firefox
[07:44] <sig> or locate
[07:45] <synd> oh thanks for that!
[07:45] <sig> which is nice
[07:45] <sig> which, less, ps -ef, etc... all sorts of neat tools
[07:45] <synd> ..im on the 3rd day of ubuntu (linux for that matter)
[07:46] <sig> synd: you are looking at: http://ubuntuguide.org correct?
[07:46] <synd> sig: yup
[07:46] <sig> this will answer a lot of your questions
[07:46] <sig> ok good
[07:46] <synd> thankfully, i found it before i found out about this irc chan
[07:47] <synd> a few days ago i was clueless how to install anything
[07:48] <HoMiE-[G] > Seveas Thanks it worked !!
[07:49] <Seveas> nice
[07:49] <GarySaved> I decided to try bittornado, since I can not get bittorent to work.  Of course it is not on the menu.  Any idea what I would type to start bittornado ?
[07:49] <PacoBCN> GarySaved, did you try Azureus?
[07:49] <PacoBCN> it's pretty cool
[07:49] <brazilian> hi, someone can help me with wireless?
[07:49] <sig> GarySaved: you say it is installed but you don't know what to type?
[07:50] <GarySaved> Synaptic says it is installed, but it is not in the menu system.
[07:50] <synd> where shall i install firefox.. ie. that it replaces the old version automatically? in /usr/bin/firefox ?
[07:50] <sig> GarySaved: most of the times it won't get put in them menu
[07:50] <queuetue> Where would I look to determine if a SB live is supported well under linux?  (I'm looking for hardware that can handle multiple channels at once under ALSA)
[07:51] <sig> GarySaved: type the name in a terminal
[07:51] <HoMiE-[G] > yo im if using a pppoe connection
[07:51] <sig> you'll have to manually add it to your menu
[07:51] <HoMiE-[G] > how do i set it up with linux ?
[07:51] <Xappe> queuetue: sb live should be well supported
[07:51] <HoMiE-[G] > i have a manual from isp
[07:51] <sig> HoMiE-[G] : with the networking tool
[07:51] <HoMiE-[G] > but nothin on linux
[07:51] <HoMiE-[G] > kk
[07:51] <HoMiE-[G] > sorry
[07:51] <dockane> "mounnt /dev/hda2 /media/windows " freezes mysystem completly. is that a known problem with hoary ? (its a ntfs partition)
[07:51] <HoMiE-[G] > firsti time user
[07:51] <HoMiE-[G] > lol
[07:51] <HoMiE-[G] > never seen linux before
[07:51] <HoMiE-[G] > lol
[07:51] <sig> computer > systemconfiguration > networking
[07:52] <synd> dockane:  i read somewhere that a fat32 partition is better ? iono
[07:52] <GarySaved> I get nothing for bittornado and bittornado-gui
[07:52] <queuetue> Xappe, with multiple alsa channels?
[07:52] <sig> GarySaved: try bt
[07:52] <sig> ?
[07:53] <dockane> synd, must have to do with ubuntu. knoppix works well with the partitin (its read only but thats ok for me)
[07:53] <GarySaved> sig, Nothing for bt either.
[07:53] <dockane> *partition
[07:53] <Xappe> queuetue: iirc I read that sb live should be a good cheap alternative if you want to get rid of the sound servers
[07:54] <sig> garrut: open synaptec and read the description
[07:54] <sig> it might say the start command
[07:54] <queuetue> Xappe, Thanks.
[07:54] <Xappe> queuetue: i would do some googling though :)
[07:55] <queuetue> What is an expensive audio card?  I'm just curious what features they would have...
[07:55] <Xappe> queuetue: low latency
[07:55] <queuetue> I notice the same card is way more expensive on the macintosh sites. :)
[07:56] <Albacker> guys, I do "mplayer file.mp3" and I can hear the sound of the file. I do xmms file.mp3 and it doesnt do anything :(
[07:56] <Xappe> queuetue: they've probably painted it with airbrush or something ;D
[07:57] <menator> moo
[07:57] <Xappe> Albacker: change the xmms sound output to esd
[07:57] <GarySaved> Does anyone know why bittorrent does not allow me to download hoary?  It says 'requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker'.
[07:57] <queuetue> Is an Audigy a high-end card?
[07:57] <sig> Albacker: http://johnvansickle.com/mplayer
[07:58] <Albacker> Xappe, that doesnt work.
[07:58] <djp> anyone know how to improve text quality of pdf's when viewing them with xpdf?
[07:59] <synd> queuetue: kinda
[07:59] <Albacker> damn, dunno what's the problem with this one.
[07:59] <sig> djp: ubuntuguide.org  get acroread
[08:00] <queuetue> synd, What is an actual honet-to-goodness high-end card, then?  I just want to establish a range.
[08:00] <fissy> is anyone else finding it impossible to change icon themes in hoary?
[08:00] <dieffel> hello all! I've have a prob. I have installed gDesklets, but my sensors wont work/show any info. What's wrong???
[08:00] <synd> queuetue: terratec
[08:00] <HoMiE-[G] > hry
[08:00] <HoMiE-[G] > hey*
[08:00] <Xappe> dieffel: install the sensors needed
[08:01] <HoMiE-[G] > i dont see a thing for pppoe connection
[08:01] <GarySaved> There is no help, or even an about screen with bittorrent.
[08:01] <synd> queuetue: Terratec's Aureon Sky and Terratec's Aureon Space.. i believe the sky has 5.1, the space has 7.1
[08:01] <dieffel> Xappe, ok, i need temp, and batt. and wireless sensors... how do i install those?
[08:02] <queuetue> syn-ack, Are those supported under linux?
[08:02] <Xappe> dieffel: iirc lmsensors should cover most of the default gdesklets that come with the ubuntu package
[08:02] <synd> queuetue: dont have the slightest clue, i would think so
[08:03] <djp> anyone know how to improve text quality under xdpf?
[08:03] <menator> djp: I've never had great quality when using xpdf
[08:03] <synd> queuetue: the creative audigy 2 platinum ex is even better though
[08:03] <dieffel> Xappe, ok i try to download lmsensors.
[08:04] <menator> djp: I've only had really good quality with acrobats linux version.
[08:04] <Xappe> dieffel: there's a guide for installing them on the forum somewhere
[08:04] <HoMiE-[G] > anyone ?
[08:04] <HoMiE-[G] > i cant get my internet to work
[08:04] <HoMiE-[G] > lol
[08:04] <dieffel> Xappe, on the ubuntufrum? i'll try to lookat them.
[08:05] <Bazzi> HoMiE-[G]  you are on it already.
[08:05] <Xappe> dieffel: yes
[08:05] <HoMiE-[G] > no
[08:05] <HoMiE-[G] > lol
[08:05] <HoMiE-[G] > another computer
[08:05] <HoMiE-[G] > tat is sitting right next to me
[08:05] <HoMiE-[G] > lol
[08:06] <Albacker> can anyone help me with this weired sound problem. I can play mp3s with mplayer and I canot with xmms. ???
[08:06] <HoMiE-[G] > im using windows now
[08:06] <HoMiE-[G] > on my new computer
[08:06] <HoMiE-[G] > i need to setup a pppoe connection
[08:06] <WeirdAl> Hullo.
[08:06] <HoMiE-[G] > but i dont know how
[08:06] <WeirdAl> Is it possible to throttle apt-get so that it doesn't kill the net for everyone else?
[08:06] <randabis> HoMiE-[G] , this is not a windows support channel
[08:07] <HoMiE-[G] > yeah i know
[08:07] <menator> Albacker: do you have xmms sounds server settings correct?
[08:07] <HoMiE-[G] > im talking about linux
[08:07] <synd> queuetue: m-audio makes some very nice high end cards as well.
[08:07] <HoMiE-[G] > lol
[08:07] <randabis> ok
[08:07] <HoMiE-[G] > im on windows now
[08:07] <HoMiE-[G] > cause my isp gave me a cd
[08:07] <HoMiE-[G] > to set it up
[08:07] <Albacker> menator how do I know that ?
[08:07] <HoMiE-[G] > but it dont support linux
[08:07] <HoMiE-[G] > :(
[08:08] <Albacker> menator : i have set the output to alsa, oss, esd etc. . it plays only in oss [looks like it plays]  but I cant hear any sound.
[08:08] <randabis> there are tools in gnome and/or kde that assist with setting up pppoe connections
[08:08] <HoMiE-[G] > in gnome
[08:08] <Xappe> Albacker: and you've tried the esd sound output without any luck?
[08:09] <menator> Albacker: use alternate device is not checked right?
[08:09] <HoMiE-[G] > gnome is a site ?
[08:09] <Albacker> Xappe, I tried all the outputs.
[08:09] <Xappe> ok
[08:10] <geneo93> who is kde garu
[08:10] <Xappe> HoMiE-[G] : gnome is your desktop environment by default in ubuntu
[08:10] <Albacker> menator, they are set to /dev/dsp since there is no /dev/dsp I changed it to dsp0 and mixer0. . . but it doesnt play any sound./
[08:10] <djp> menator: real shame... i don't want to use acrobat on my vrms authenticated ubuntu install! ;)
[08:10] <HoMiE-[G] > ok
[08:10] <HoMiE-[G] > but i cant find any apps to ghelp me set that up
[08:10] <LeeColleton> sabmoc: Will there be an Ubuntu desk at Linux Fest North West?
[08:10] <james_> does anyone have experience with mounting SATA hard drives?
[08:10] <menator> Albacker: have you tried un-checking those?
[08:11] <E0x> hello
[08:11] <menator> Albacker: I usually let the sound server find the defaultdevice.
[08:11] <Bazzi> HoMiE-[G]  there is some pppoe tool in the menu
[08:11] <Albacker> menatori : yes.
[08:11] <HoMiE-[G] > ok
[08:11] <HoMiE-[G] > 1 sec
[08:11] <E0x> anybody with hoary+maya6.5 ?
[08:11] <Albacker> menator : might it be that I dont have the xmms-mp3-plugin ?
[08:11] <menator> Albacker: Xmms is good, but you might want to try beep-media-player
[08:11] <Albacker> menator how ?
[08:11] <Albacker> menator : i cant run alsamixer too
[08:11] <menator> Albacker: that could it as well.
[08:12] <menator> Albacker: install alsa-utils
[08:12] <HoMiE-[G] > when i click help
[08:12] <HoMiE-[G] > or on gnome
[08:12] <HoMiE-[G] > nothing runs
[08:12] <HoMiE-[G] > lol
[08:12] <Albacker> I'm installing alsa-module atm
[08:13] <Albacker> Please check that:
[08:13] <Albacker> 1. You have the correct output plugin selected
[08:13] <Albacker> 2. No other programs is blocking the soundcard
[08:13] <Albacker> 3. Your soundcard is configured properly
[08:13] <WeirdAl> Is it possible to throttle apt-get (or Synaptic of course) so that it doesn't kill the net for everyone else?
[08:13] <HoMiE-[G] > in the bottom it says starting help
[08:13] <HoMiE-[G] > but then it shuts off :(
[08:13] <menator> Albacker: try switching the device, but don't check that other device box.
[08:13] <Albacker> menator ??
[08:14] <WeirdAl> Dr Will! You might know this :-)
[08:14] <WeirdAl> Is it possible to throttle apt-get (or Synaptic of course) so that it doesn't kill the net for everyone else?
[08:14] <queuetue> WeirdAl, Try trickle
[08:14] <WeirdAl> how do I use that?
[08:14] <menator> Albacker: sorry I'm going off of beep-media-player, I'm not sure if xmms has that. one sec.
[08:14] <WeirdAl> blah |trickle?
[08:14] <Albacker> menator : it looks the same as xmms
[08:15] <WeirdAl> or trickle <blah> ?
[08:15] <queuetue> WeirdAl, apt-cache show trickle
[08:15] <Albacker> menator : with OSS i get the same thing as xmms and with alsa I get nothing
[08:15] <james_> can anyone help me with a SATA hard drive mounting problem?
[08:15] <Albacker> menator : I'm getting alsa utils
[08:15] <queuetue> http://monkey.org/~marius/pages/?page=trickle
[08:16] <menator> Albacker: that error is because its not set to the right device. What sound card do you have?
[08:16] <Albacker> intel
[08:16] <Albacker> i810.
[08:16] <WeirdAl> Thank you! :-)
[08:17] <menator> Albacker: do a 'lsmod' at the console and see if snd-intel8x0 module is loaded.
[08:17] <deku> does anyone know if usb jumpdrive support is broken in hoary?
[08:17] <deku> the damned thing won't autodetect.
[08:17] <Albacker> lsmod | grep snd-intel
[08:18] <Albacker> I got nothing from  that : menator
[08:18] <Xira> Anyone have a screenshot of their hoary desk?
[08:18] <deku> i do.  looks rather normal.
[08:19] <WeirdAl> :-( queuetue, it's just saying "trickle: command not found". I'm doing "sudo trickle -d 20 apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:19] <WeirdAl> "
[08:19] <menator> Albacker: you don't have the module loaded or you didn't get any output from lsmod?
[08:19] <queuetue> I can if you want - it looks like this irc window, full-screen. :)
[08:19] <Xira> is it default deku ?
[08:19] <Myrtti> Xira: define hoary desk. What do you want to see in it?
[08:19] <Albacker> menator what to do ?
[08:19] <Xira> I'd just like to see the default Hoary desk - recently done a system wide upgrade
[08:19] <deku> i'm about to punch both ubuntu and lexar in the head.
[08:19] <Xira> My Human theme has changed
[08:19] <Myrtti> oh
[08:19] <Xira> and I like the older one better
[08:19] <Xira> and I'd like to know how to get it back
[08:20] <menator> Albacker: go to console and run this command: 'lsmod | grep -i intel'
[08:20] <Xira> Does anyone know how?
[08:20] <queuetue> WeirdAl, You hav eto install it first. :)
[08:20] <WeirdAl> It is installed ... isn't it?
[08:20] <WeirdAl> Aah
[08:20] <WeirdAl> I thought it was -- crap
[08:20] <WeirdAl> :-(
[08:20] <WeirdAl> foot-->mouth
[08:20] <WeirdAl> sorry
[08:21] <Xira> Does anyone know how to get the default Human theme back, I recently did a systemwide upgrade and it updated my Human to the clearlooks base.. does anyone know how to get the old one back?
[08:22] <AMIGrAve> i can't find libapache-mod-php4 there's only libapache2-mod-php4 is that normal ?
[08:22] <Xira> Anyone?
[08:23] <synd> hey, im trying to get APM enabled and im following the SuspendHowto and im at the part where it tells me to edit the #kopt line of my /boot/grub/menu.lst file so that it ends with apm=on, but I dont see a #kopt line in the menu.lst file?
[08:23] <WeirdAl> I just started getting a "Failed to fork" error from GAIM.
[08:23] <WeirdAl> oh, from everything.
[08:23] <WeirdAl> brb.
[08:24] <HoMiE-[G] > ok
[08:24] <queuetue> Out of swap. :)
[08:24] <HoMiE-[G] > can someone h4elp me now ?
[08:24] <airox> synd: It should be in there.
[08:24] <HoMiE-[G] > i got into the gnome thing
[08:24] <HoMiE-[G] > but i dont see pppoe
[08:25] <synd> airox: i see a # kopt=root=/dev/hdal/ ro
[08:25] <Xira> Anyone here running hoary and do a systemwide apt-get upgrade?
[08:25] <alterim> okay. i STILL need help understanding apt/synaptic
[08:25] <alterim> anyone help me?
[08:25] <Xira> alterim, I can try.
[08:25] <Dr_Willis> Xira,  i did the other day I belive - after i did a clean install.
[08:26] <synd> airox: do i just add apm=on to the end of that or what? so that it looks like # kopt=root=/dev/hdal/ ro apm=on ?
[08:26] <airox> synd: That's the one.
[08:26] <Xira> Dr_Willis, me too. Did you notice the human theme change?
[08:26] <airox> synd: You do know that acpi can also do a resume ?
[08:26] <airox> synd: I have suspend to ram and suspend to disk working.
[08:27] <synd> airox: yes, but acpi doesnt work with my older p3 laptop..
[08:27] <airox> synd: My laptop is also p3 :)
[08:27] <airox> synd: But it could be that it doesn't support it yeah
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> Xira,  not really :P
[08:27] <synd> airox: well.. hmm. i was told to try apm.. because the battery meter is constantly showing 0%, even when i know its 100%
[08:28] <airox> synd: Ok.
[08:28] <HoMiE-[G] > synd where do i find is pppoe thing i cant see it
[08:28] <Xira> Dr_Willis, but it's there. You see it right? The theme is now based on Clearlooks
[08:28] <synd> airox: so, is # kopt=root=/dev/hdal/ ro apm=on correct? i really have no idea
[08:29] <Nap> hello all
[08:29] <airox> synd: If the howto sais so :)
[08:29] <airox> synd: I had something like this: # kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro resume=/dev/hda2
[08:30] <airox> synd: That's with acpi.
[08:30] <synd> ah, i see.
[08:30] <synd> well theres nothing in there at all
[08:30] <Nap> since today's upgrade of my hoary, my screen don't want to go beyond 1024x768
[08:30] <synd> should i try acpi instead?
[08:30] <Nap> I use a nvidia  on a 17'' screen
[08:30] <Nap> I got the problem with nvidia and nv drivers
[08:30] <airox> synd: Do you have things like /proc/acpi ?
[08:31] <falcon3> i keep geting "totem could not startup, resource busy or not available" on starting totem.
[08:31] <airox> Nap: Those are 2 things ...
[08:31] <Nap> airox: yes ?
[08:31] <synd> airox: i dont
[08:31] <airox> synd: hmm ..
[08:31] <Nap> what's the problem ?
[08:31] <neighborlee> is anyone else destkop instability  (hoary) in that when I come back to computer from sleep mode all night that after trying to start say a app from the main menu, I get no 'app' started and the desktop then crashes to point nothing works and I have to hard restart my system.  Its been doing this  consistently now for several days and wondering if anyone else is seeing this??????
[08:32] <airox> synd: I would suggest not altering kopt yet and first do some editing with grub interactively and try some combo's to see what is working and what will not work.
[08:32] <Dr_Willis> i tend to just disable all that sleep and suspend stuff. :P
[08:32] <Nap> neighborlee: stop gdm, empty /tmp, start gdm
[08:32] <airox> synd: noacpi apm=on acpi=off
[08:33] <falcon3> i keep geting "totem could not startup, resource busy or not available" on starting totem.
[08:33] <neighborlee> Nap, are you saying this is a known issue ?
[08:33] <synd> airox: in term ?
[08:33] <airox> synd: You know howto add these options interactively with grub ?
[08:33] <Nap> neighborlee:  known on my desktop :)
[08:33] <neighborlee> Nap, so your get this behavior like everyday as well ?
[08:34] <Nap> neighborlee: just a few days in the past, until I emptied my /tmp
[08:34] <djtansey> is there a way to have a DVD that is mounted (shown on the desktop) open up and play? i use hoary and my DVDs are automounted. but if i still have it mounted and don't have totem still open, i can't right click the icon and say "play with totem" or even goto totem and say "movie->play disc" because it says tthere is no entry for /dev/hdc in fstab
[08:34] <synd> airox: i dont,.
[08:34] <neighborlee> Nap, if so , do you know if the devs are aware and working on fix ?
[08:34] <Nap> neighborlee: I think the problem was just a savage upgrade of gnome
[08:34] <neighborlee> Nap, Im asking because i've seen tons of updates come through  the updater but this issue remains
[08:35] <neighborlee> Nap, ah okay I did wonder
[08:35] <neighborlee> Nap, yeah
[08:35] <airox> synd: Well.. You have to reboot and when you see the grub menu (or when you see can press ESC and have done this) you have to hover on the ubuntu option and press 'e'
[08:35] <Nap> not really a gnome bug
[08:35] <airox> synd: Then you have to move to the kernel line and press 'e' again
[08:35] <Nap> neighborlee: now, please explain me why my screen does not want to do 1280x1024
[08:35] <Nap> :p
[08:35] <airox> synd: Then you are able to add those options. When it's done press [enter]  and press 'b'
[08:36] <airox> synd: Grub will now load the kernel with the given options and you can see if it's working by doing apm --suspend (was that the command??)
[08:36] <Nap> neighborlee: maybe delete or rename a few gnome personal directories in your $HOME
[08:36] <airox> synd: When you have the right options you can add them to the kopt line like you mentioned
[08:37] <synd> airox: noacpi apm=on acpi=off
[08:37] <synd> airox: right?
[08:37] <disposable> wtf is /.dev for?
[08:37] <airox> synd: Try some of them indeed.
[08:37] <airox> synd: Use all of them the first time. It should work then.
[08:38] <synd> airox: ok im in the grub thing..
[08:38] <synd> airox: i see root (dt0,0
[08:38] <synd> hd(0,0) *
[08:39] <synd> airox: kernel /boot/vmlinuz.-2.6.8.1-3-386 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash
[08:40] <lunitik> synd: you should add a vga= line there too so your terminal text isn't all huge...
[08:40] <lunitik> Prolly a good idea to get it to work first though  *nods*
[08:41] <airox> synd: Press 'e' now.
[08:41] <mxpxpod> how do I keep a partition from mounting when ubuntu starts up?
[08:41] <synd> airox: so im editing the kernel line?
[08:41] <mxpxpod> my macosx partition wants to mount every boot
[08:41] <airox> synd: Yeah.
[08:42] <synd> airox: ok im in that
[08:42] <Xappe> mxpxpod: remove it from fstab?
[08:42] <lunitik> mxpxpod: take it out of fstab?
[08:42] <lunitik> Xappe: damn you
[08:42] <synd> airox: i just add that command to the end of that?
[08:42] <Xappe> :)
[08:42] <mxpxpod> Xappe and lunitik: so how am I supposed to mount it when i want to mount it?
[08:42] <nekrataal> hi
[08:42] <airox> synd: apm=on noacpi acpi=off, yes
[08:43] <lunitik> mxpxpod: via mount?
[08:43] <Xappe> mxpxpod: with 'mount'
[08:43] <dockane_> where do i find the installation directory of xchat ?
[08:43] <airox> synd: without the ", yes"  :)
[08:43] <nekrataal> anyone knows wich package should i install so i can use the esddsp command?
[08:43] <lunitik> Xappe: haha punkass, beat you this time  *nana*
[08:43] <lunitik> :P
[08:43] <nekrataal> i neet to run Skype through esddsp pipe to enable sound
[08:43] <Xappe> lunitik: so now we're even huh?
[08:43] <mxpxpod> lunitik and Xappe: shouldn't there be an option to not mount certain partitions?  usually noauto does this, but it's not working
[08:43] <disposable> what is /.dev for? isn't /dev enough for ubuntu?
[08:44] <nekrataal> but i dont know how to install the pipe...anyone knows wich package should i install?
[08:44] <lunitik> mxpxpod: fstab is for mounting things at boot...
[08:44] <mxpxpod> lunitik: right
[08:44] <lunitik> mxpxpod: if you don't want that... you don't want it in fstab
[08:45] <mxpxpod> lunitik: what? no, fstab is to describe your file systems
[08:45] <lunitik> mxpxpod: you could do something like 'alias osx='mount -t hfs /dev/wherever /wherever -o whatever' though
[08:45] <lunitik> mxpxpod: still fast...
[08:45] <lunitik> mxpxpod: umm, no
[08:45] <lunitik> mxpxpod: its for mounting things at boot.
[08:45] <mxpxpod> lunitik: from the fstab man page:
[08:46] <mxpxpod> Common for all types of file system are
[08:46] <mxpxpod>        the options noauto (do not mount when "mount -a" is given, e.g., at
[08:46] <mxpxpod>        boot time),
[08:46] <synd> ai: what do i press to save this?
[08:46] <synd> airox: what do i press to save this?
[08:47] <synd> enter?
[08:47] <mxpxpod> lunitik: so, what that's saying is that if I put noauto as an option for a fs in fstab, it shouldn't mount
[08:47] <lunitik> mxpxpod: ok... then do it  :/
[08:47] <airox> airox: Uhm... afaik yes.
[08:47] <airox> err...
[08:47] <airox> synd: Uhm... afaik yes.
[08:47] <airox> :)
[08:47] <synd> :)
[08:48] <mxpxpod> lunitik: also, if fstab is only for boot, how would you set permissions for non-root users to open cdroms?
[08:48] <cmf> "users" option
[08:48] <cmf> mxpxpod: ^
[08:48] <lunitik> ^^
[08:48] <cmf> but hal should do that already, don't use fstab for removeable devices
[08:48] <mxpxpod> cmf: right, but if it's only for boot devices ;)
[08:48] <cmf> hal/pmount handles it
[08:48] <lunitik> or user=blah or uid=foo ...
[08:48] <cmf> mxpxpod: it's for any device
[08:49] <mxpxpod> cmf: I know that
[08:49] <cmf> ahh, i misread
[08:49] <lunitik> cmf: s/device/fs/  ... nfs is not a device...
[08:49] <cmf> what are you trying to do?
[08:49] <mxpxpod> cmf: keep my macosx from mounting at boot
[08:49] <mxpxpod> s/macosx/macosx partition/
[08:49] <lunitik> mxpxpod: you already figured out how yourself...
[08:50] <mxpxpod> lunitik: I already have that option and it doesn't work
[08:50] <airox> synd: Got it booting ?
[08:50] <lunitik> mxpxpod: there goes that theory then huh?
[08:50] <cmf> noauto
[08:50] <robodex> hey... just wondering, is there supposed to be 109 updates atm? I just updated last night, and I'm not sure if I screwed something up because I have 109 updates today O_O
[08:50] <Xappe> mxpxpod: comment the line out then
[08:50] <lunitik> mxpxpod: thanks for arguing with me... pleasure
[08:50] <mxpxpod> cmf: I have that option in my fstab already (/dev/hda7       /mnt/macosx     hfsplus defaults,users,noauto,rw  0 0)
[08:51] <mxpxpod> Xappe: yeah, and then I don't have access to that partition
[08:51] <Xappe> mxpxpod: you can mount it manually
[08:51] <airox> Why doesn't gdm support '&' in passwords ? :(
[08:51] <cmf> mxpxpod: no idea then
[08:51] <mxpxpod> *sigh*
[08:51] <cmf> sorry
[08:51] <cmf> why don't you want it to mount?
[08:51] <mxpxpod> I didn't know if pmount or hal had some option somewhere to keep a partition from mounting
[08:52] <mxpxpod> cmf: because mol won't work with it mounted
[08:52] <cmf> remove defaults
[08:52] <cmf> that may work
[08:52] <mxpxpod> cmf: cool, I think that did it
[08:52] <lunitik> mxpxpod: *shrug*    alias osx='mount -t hfsplus -o defaults,users,noauto,rw /dev/hda7 /mnt/macosx'
[08:52] <cmf> :)
[08:52] <lunitik> Then you just type 'osx' to mount it...
[08:53] <queuetue> Has anyone used vncviewer in -listen mode?  When I try it, I get "X Error of failed request:  BadName (named color or font does not exist) \n  Major opcode of failed request:  45 (X_OpenFont)" and it dies...
[08:53] <lunitik> (privided you throw that in ~/.bashrc ... it will work always...)
[08:53] <sjoerd> mxpxpod: you can specify it in hal if you want
[08:54] <mxpxpod> sjoerd: how do I do that?
[08:54] <sjoerd> mxpxpod: see the example in /etc/hal/fdi/preferences.fdi
[08:54] <cavediver> Anyone have  problems with nautilus crasching when right-klicking an .ogg file ?
[08:54] <synd> airox: almost.. got a bit sidetracked
[08:54] <cavediver> Using hoary.
[08:54] <cmf> mxpxpod: did removing defaults work?
[08:54] <mxpxpod> cmf: no, it didn't
[08:54] <cmf> ahh
[08:55] <mxpxpod> sjoerd: are you talking about the first example in that file?
[08:55] <airox> synd: I have to go now. Good luck getting it working!
[08:55] <Kirsch> hey guys, how do u change the theme for GTK 1.X apps?
[08:55] <sjoerd> mxpxpod: yeah
[08:55] <sjoerd> mxpxpod: you can ofcourse match other keys then the ones shown there
[08:55] <mxpxpod> sjoerd: right
[08:56] <mxpxpod> sjoerd: so, just match block.device?
[08:57] <sjoerd> yeah
[08:57] <mxpxpod> awesome
[08:57] <mxpxpod> sjoerd: and keep it in preferences.fdi? or make my own .fdi?
[08:57] <synd> airox: thank!
[08:57] <synd> airox: thanks!
[08:57] <HoMiE-[G] > hey does anyone know how i can transfer files from my windows comptuer to my ubuntu comptuer
[08:57] <HoMiE-[G] > if i dont have the internet
[08:57] <HoMiE-[G] > on the ubuntu one
[08:58] <sjoerd> mxpxpod: i would make your own.. then the preferences will be automagically be updated to include new examples if we add them
[08:58] <mxpxpod> cool
[08:58] <HoMiE-[G] > anyone ?
[08:58] <Xappe> HoMiE-[G] : ftp or samba
[08:59] <HoMiE-[G] > whats samaba ?
[08:59] <HoMiE-[G] > samba*
[08:59] <mxpxpod> sjoerd: how do I match strings?
[08:59] <lunitik> HoMiE-[G] : smb support... what microsoft uses by defaut...
[08:59] <HoMiE-[G] > kk
[08:59] <HoMiE-[G] > ill try it
[09:00] <sjoerd> mxpxpod: <match key="info.category" string="volume"> for example
[09:01] <mxpxpod> sjoerd: ok, I think I got it
[09:01] <sjoerd> mxpxpod: in /usr/share/hal/fdi/ you can find some more examples
[09:02] <lunitik> sjoerd: I don't get it... what key would that be? it just mounts when you hit a keyboard key?
[09:02] <sjoerd> lunitik: no, hal has key,value pairs.. on which you can match.. and set various policy items
[09:03] <lunitik> sjoerd: ahh... so how would you trigger that?
[09:03] <sjoerd> lunitik: and those items will have a meaning for the gvm/pmount combination to autmagicall mount stuff or do certain options (sync, etc)
[09:03] <lunitik> sjoerd: being that its a static drive... I don't see how hal would interact with it?
[09:03] <queuetue> Has anyone used vncviewer in -listen mode?  When I try it, I get "X Error of failed request:  BadName (named color or font does not exist) \n  Major opcode of failed request:  45 (X_OpenFont)" and it dies...
[09:03] <sjoerd> lunitik: hal detects it at startup and puts info for it in it's db
[09:04] <lunitik> sjoerd: only thing I can think of is that it would mount automagically if you go to /mnt/macosx (in this case) ... ?
[09:04] <mxpxpod> sjoerd: thanks a ton
[09:04] <lunitik> sjoerd: I'm prolly overlooking something... but I don't see how its useful really enless this is the case  :(
[09:04] <sjoerd> lunitik: it's automagically mounted when gnome-volume-manager starts
[09:05] <sjoerd> lunitik: or not if you specify that you don't want it and then you can use nautilus to mount it
[09:05] <lunitik> sjoerd: I thought his whole point was that he _didn't_ want it to auto-mount?
[09:05] <mx|gone> lunitik: I don't want it to automount on boot
[09:05] <mx|gone> or when gvm starts up
[09:05] <mx|gone> if I go into it in naut, that's ok
[09:05] <mx|gone> gotta get back to work
[09:05] <lunitik> sjoerd: gah... yeah... I don't really get how that is useful in his situation?
[09:05] <mx|gone> thanks again sjoerd
[09:05] <sjoerd> mx|gone: np
[09:06] <sjoerd> lunitik: uhm, now his static drive is flagged to not be automounted in hal
[09:06] <sjoerd> lunitik: so when gvm starts it sees that and doesn't mount it
[09:07] <lunitik> sjoerd: but it would mount automagically when he goes into /mnt/macosx? or it shows up in the computer area?
[09:07] <sjoerd> lunitik: it will show up in the computer area still
[09:07] <illmonkey> hello
[09:07] <illmonkey> quelqu'un parle francais?
[09:08] <lunitik> sjoerd: ahh... you should have just said yes when I asked about /mnt/macosx  :P
[09:08] <lunitik> illmonkey: non
[09:08] <illmonkey> t'arrives  rpondre mais tu parles pas francais lol
[09:08] <illmonkey> ;)
[09:09] <pagefault_> hehe
[09:10] <lunitik> je ne clue wtf that parles  :o
[09:10] <pagefault_> parles is talk or smth
[09:10] <illmonkey> I have a problem with gDesklets
[09:10] <queuetue> Has anyone used vncviewer in -listen mode?  When I try it, I get "X Error of failed request:  BadName (named color or font does not exist) \n  Major opcode of failed request:  45 (X_OpenFont)" and it dies...
[09:11] <lunitik> illmonkey: what is the issue?
[09:11] <illmonkey> I use Hoary 5.04 preview
[09:12] <illmonkey> I can use Weather desklets
[09:12] <illmonkey> I use it from desklets-data
[09:12] <illmonkey> But i can't use Starter Bar
[09:12] <illmonkey> like the dock
[09:13] <garrut> same here illmonkey, happened after the last update
[09:13] <garrut> worked fine before that
[09:13] <illmonkey> what can I do?
[09:14] <garrut> dunno...
[09:14] <garrut> wait for the next update, or compile the latest gdesklets yourself
[09:14] <garrut> or maybe just the starterbar
[09:14] <dockane> i added cpu frequency monitor to my gnome panel. i do not get the frequency list and yelp says :"If the frequencies menu is not shown, please ask to your system administrator." the problem is, me is the admin ;)
[09:15] <garrut> well, what did you say?
[09:15] <garrut> :)
[09:15] <dockane> no idea was my response ;)
[09:16] <illmonkey> Is it good to compile mysekf?
[09:16] <illmonkey> myself?
[09:17] <Xappe> go compile yourself :)
[09:17] <dockane> garrut, maybe you've got any hint for m
[09:17] <dockane> *me
[09:17] <dockane> ?
[09:17] <illmonkey> Can we do that?
[09:18] <garrut> dockane: sorry..
[09:18] <illmonkey> I read it's better to install appz throught Synaptic
[09:18] <Flonne> It is, whenever possible.
[09:18] <garrut> can other programs show your cpu frequency?
[09:19] <Flonne> apt/Synaptic/Kynaptic provides facilities for uninstallation and updating.
[09:19] <Flonne> Self compilation requires manual management, and that can get ugly over time.
[09:19] <terry97> gkrellm
[09:19] <dockane> garrut, it shows the frequency but does not give me the list to change it, as described in yelp
[09:20] <cowbud> illmonkey: what kinda desklets do you use?
[09:20] <dockane> garrut, since the problem is very well known i wonder why the solution is "ask you admin".
[09:20] <Flonne> garrut, what are you trying to do?
[09:20] <Flonne> With your CPU, I mean.
[09:21] <opi> ekhm
[09:21] <opi> Members of Polish LoCo are welcome to #ubuntu.pl
[09:21] <opi> we have session in progress
[09:21] <TD> hi
[09:22] <TD> is there any way to programmatically determine that the root account is disabled (because we're on ubuntu)?
[09:22] <dockane> Flonne, its not garrut, its me who tries to set use the list of the cpu frequency monitor
[09:22] <garrut> dockane: probably just a standard message, wouldn't lnow how to fix your problem though..
[09:22] <TD> and/or that sudo is in use
[09:22] <opi> TD: grep /etc/passwd
[09:23] <dockane> Flonne, the help says "If the frequencies menu is not shown, please ask to your system administrator." and here i am *?*
[09:23] <Flonne> What do you need to see/set it for, dockane? There are a few tools that exist for a few different purposes.
[09:23] <LinuxJones> TD, you could write a script to parse /etc/shadow
[09:23] <spacey> how are bugs handled for packages in universe? should i use bugzilla or contact MOTU in another way?
[09:23] <TD> opi: looking for what, exactly?
[09:24] <TD> LinuxJones: you can't do that as user
[09:24] <Flonne> Grep /etc/shadow for root, matching it against a regexp checking for a blank hash.
[09:24] <dockane> Flonne : i am running hoary on thinkpad with a mobile p3 and would like to use/control speedstep
[09:24] <LinuxJones> TD, if it's the account that you setup Ubuntu on you can
[09:24] <WeirdAl> Should networking be easy?
[09:24] <TD> LinuxJones: hmmm, really?
[09:25] <WeirdAl> I can't get my Ubuntu systems to see each other.
[09:25] <Flonne> Dockane, there are some daemons that will handle that for you.
[09:25] <TD> LinuxJones: what about for other users?
[09:25] <WeirdAl> But I don't really know what to do.
[09:25] <Flonne> I'll look them up.
[09:25] <sig> WeirdAl: go to the "Networking" section on ubuntuguide.org
[09:25] <sig> that will fix your problems
[09:25] <WeirdAl> there is one?
[09:25] <WeirdAl> Damn, I must be blind or something
[09:25] <LinuxJones> TD, you can take Flonne 's suggestion
[09:26] <TD> ok, thanks
[09:26] <sig> http://ubuntuguide.org/#sambaserver
[09:26] <dockane> Flonne, do i expect the wrong things to do from "CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor Applet" ?
[09:26] <TD> i didn't realise you could do that. what if you aren't the user who set up ubuntu
[09:26] <TD> does that mean you don't have sudo access?
[09:27] <LinuxJones> TD, yes only the user who installed the system get's full range of sudo, but of course you could add sudo priviliges for certain things :)
[09:27] <TD> i see
[09:27] <dockane> Flonne, as i went to through the packet describtion it looked to me like to do exactly what i expect : show and set the cpu frequency
[09:27] <TD> LinuxKnight: does that automagically change if you set a root password?
[09:28] <Flonne> dockane, I'm pretty sure cpufreqd is what you want.
[09:28] <TD> i have an ubuntu user here who cannot cat /etc/shadow as user
[09:28] <WeirdAl> OK ... how do I make a folder shared?
 -rw-r-----  1 root shadow 881 2005-02-11 20:13 /etc/shadow
[09:28] <Flonne> It should be in the main repository; Universe if not.
[09:28] <LinuxJones> TD, root access is needed even to read /etc/shadow
[09:28] <garrut> WeirdAl: /etc/samba/smb.conf
[09:28] <garrut> or right-click on it :)
[09:29] <Flonne> LinuxJones, we should tell people to o+rwx it.
[09:29] <Flonne> -x
[09:29] <TD> LinuxJones: you just said it wasn't ? i need to be able to figure this out without needing any authentication
[09:29] <TD> root *or* user
[09:29] <Seveas> Flonne, please dont
[09:29] <TD> because i need to know whether to ask the user for the root password or their own
[09:29] <Flonne> Then it's impossible, TD. It's a security risk to allow non-root access.
[09:29] <LinuxJones> Flonne, :D
[09:30] <TD> non-root access to what? all i want to know is whether the current system/distro has an enabled root account or not
[09:30] <TD> finding that out doesn't seem to be a security risk
[09:30] <LinuxJones> TD, no I said you need root access to read /etc/shadow regular users can read /etc/passwd
[09:30] <dockane> Flonne, hmpf. do you know "CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor Applet" ? it came with the haory install and it's really nice apart of this sentence in the help : "If the frequencies menu is not shown, please ask to your system administrator."
[09:31] <TD> LinuxJones: ok
[09:31] <TD> so is there any way to tell if the root account has a password by reading /etc/passwd?
[09:31] <Flonne> dockane, can you link me to this help page? I'll take a look at it when I have time. (In the meantime, cpufreqd is able to sit in the background and control your processor automatically)
[09:31] <LinuxJones> TD, yes, read up on Flonne's previous suggestion using grep on /etc/passwd
[09:32] <laramies> Hi, Im having an error with the Grub,  when starts it said "Hard Disk Error", but this is known problem, my doubt is that if a leave a bootable Windows CD in the cdromplayer, and I dont press any key then It load the Grub OK, Any ideas?
[09:32] <pagefault_> I have a removable cdrom drive in my laptop, in windows I had to use a thing to safely remove it, do I need to do something similar in linux?
[09:32] <TD> LinuxJones: flonne hasn't told me how to determine this by reading only /etc/passwd
[09:32] <WeirdAl> garrut: according to this, home directories are readable.
[09:32] <TD> he/she said to grep /etc/shadow
[09:32] <dockane> Flonne
[09:33] <WeirdAl> should it be smb://192.168.1.2/home/user to get in?
[09:33] <Flonne> It's similar; I'll connect to an Ubuntu box and give you a pattern.
[09:33] <Skaaa> Has someone here sucessfully set up a Team Speak server on Ubuntu? I need help doing so.
[09:34] <Skaaa> ...
[09:34] <Flonne> Er... I see no difference between my /etc/passwd files, LinuxJones.
[09:34] <dockane> Flonne, its "CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor : file://///usr/share/gnome/help/cpufreq-applet/C/cpufreq-applet.xml#index "
[09:35] <Skaaa> I see, no one is going to even attempt to help me.
[09:35] <dockane> Flonne, can you work with this link ?
[09:35] <Flonne> docane, yes. I'm looking to see if it depends on anything.
[09:36] <laramies> someone have any clue about my problem?
[09:36] <TD> Skaaa: probably, nobody has done it
[09:36] <punjab12> is RC1 out yet?
[09:36] <crimsun> no, tomorrow.
[09:36] <TD> laramies: change your BIOS so the hard disk with windows on is first in the boot order
[09:36] <pepsi> is there a way to make a program not have a title bar on its window?
[09:37] <Amaranth> if you're writing it, yes
[09:37] <laramies> it is just 1 hard disk :(
[09:37] <punjab12> crimsun:  Tomorrow? awesome
[09:37] <pepsi> blah
[09:37] <punjab12> crimsun thanks man!
[09:37] <Flonne> dockane, cpufreq-applet suggests cpufreqd, cpudyn, or powernowd.
[09:37] <WeirdAl> Is there something I need to do before smb://192.168.1.2/home will work?
[09:37] <Flonne> It's possible you might need to have one of them installed to use it.
[09:38] <WeirdAl> I'm in smb.conf on the server, so that exists... it says that home permissions are set to 0700, which IIRC is read-only
[09:39] <lunitik> WeirdAl: slap the folks who implemented gnome-vfs smb support for making it suck so bad!
[09:39] <WeirdAl> OK done.
[09:39] <Amaranth> nope, 0700 is full access for the user the files and dirs belong to and no access for anyone else
[09:39] <WeirdAl> OK
[09:39] <WeirdAl> Well it also says "By default, the home directories are exported read-only"
[09:39] <Fajer> witma :)
[09:39] <WeirdAl> And I'm defaulted...
[09:39] <lunitik> WeirdAl: heh... I have never seen Nautilus (or anything else that uses gnome-vfs) actually work with smb  :/
[09:40] <WeirdAl> Oh
[09:40] <cavediver> Anyone experience nautilus crasches when right-clicking .ogg files in Hoary ?
[09:40] <WeirdAl> 'k ... what's the alternative?
[09:40] <WeirdAl> ssh? :-p
[09:41] <lunitik> WeirdAl: heh... works via smbclient ...
[09:41] <laramies> I use nautilus with smb://  against windows all day in the work :)
[09:41] <WeirdAl> this is Ubuntu <-> Ubuntu
[09:42] <laramies> TD, another idea? why it is happening with my grub?
[09:42] <WeirdAl> I'm reading the smbclient manpage now.
[09:42] <WeirdAl> :-)
[09:43] <WeirdAl> Although it's not making too much sense.
[09:43] <ExoBuZz> hello. i need to tell the kubuntu install cd to not install vim during the base install. how do i do this
[09:44] <ExoBuZz> ?
[09:44] <ExoBuZz> reason being is that : http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
 hello.. i have a big problem with installing kubuntu. im getting an error on vim-common during installation of the base system. (syslog says the deb is corrupt). i have burnt the image (downloaded from cdimage.ubuntu.com) twiece, and md5sum'd it and it matches the md5sums on the cdimage site...
[09:44] <ExoBuZz> (ignore the url bad cut and paste)
[09:45] <yfir> hi - is there a simple way to get a program (like Gaim etc) to start at system start up/login?
[09:46] <Xappe> yfir: System --> Preferences --> Sessions
[09:46] <Flonne> You can add it to your sessions list, yfir. (Gnome Menu > Applications > Desktop Preferences > Advanced > Sessions [third tab] )
[09:46] <yfir> can i do that without root access? i don' t have
[09:46] <Flonne> Er... Right. Forgot I changed my layout.
[09:46] <yfir> anyway, thanks, i'll try it
[09:46] <Flonne> Just use your own password if/when prompted.
[09:46] <dockane> Flonne,  ?
[09:48] <yfir> thank you Flonne & Xappe
[09:50] <Xappe> hey! I just realized we got the nice cursor back :)
[09:53] <jw_ma_ke> hi
[09:53] <Flonne> Hi.
[09:54] <jw_ma_ke> would anyone here be able to help me with an shscript at all?
[09:54] <robodex> is it safe to install kubuntu-desktop with a normal ubuntu install?
[09:54] <Flonne> Perhaps, jw_ma_ke. What do you need it to do?
[09:54] <jw_ma_ke> the script is run on startup and checks to see whether another machine on the LAN is turned on (i.e.returns a ping), if it isnt and no one has logged into the ubuntu machine, the computer shuts down
[09:54] <DemisM> robodex yes
[09:54] <brrrrrrrt> hello, i have problems with my matrox g400 and 3D with hoary :(...
[09:54] <LinuxJones> robodex, sure
[09:55] <jw_ma_ke> i actually already have a script for it and have set it up a cronjob but have a couple of problems with it
[09:55] <robodex> k just making sure ;)
[09:55] <brrrrrrrt> matrox drivers are only for 6.8.2
[09:55] <robodex> kde'll just be a session in gdm then, right?
[09:55] <brrrrrrrt> no
[09:55] <brrrrrrrt> 6.8.1
[09:55] <LeeColleton> mako_: Hello.  Is there a planned presence for LFNW?  I heard you got a request for some Hoary CDs to be handed out there.
[09:55] <brrrrrrrt> and hoary has 6.8.2
[09:56] <Flonne> jw_ma_ke, I'm not sure a cron is what you'd want. You could run such a thing as an init script, thus granting it immediate access to "init 0" if need be. Of course, you should keep a Live CD of some sort available to remove it if it goes wrong.
[09:56] <robodex> (as in, will it make any major changes aside from installing kde?)
[09:57] <jw_ma_ke> why would a cron not work? it simply runs the script when the computer is booted
[09:57] <jw_ma_ke> Flonne, do you mind if i open a private chat with you?
[09:57] <Flonne> Not at all.
[09:57] <jw_ma_ke> thanks
[09:58] <pagefault_> how do you tell apt-get to forcefully overwrite a file
[09:58] <mike_> quick question, is there an easy way to submit artwork?
[09:59] <synd> hmmm
[09:59] <sucho> mike_: forum.xfce.org -> themes&screenshots
[10:00] <sucho> mike_: the only way a know about...
[10:00] <pagefault_>  trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2', which is also in package fglrx-6-8-0
[10:00] <pagefault_> any way to force this?
[10:00] <sj`> has anyone gotten xine/mplayer/totem to successfully play dvds with the latest version of hoary?
[10:00] <brrrrrrrt> does anyone know a good place for any howto regarding matrox graphic cards and xorg?
[10:00] <Burgundavia> sj`: yes if you use totem-xine
[10:01] <sucho> mike_: uuuups, sorry, i thought i'm at #xfce ;)
[10:01] <granted> sj: nor i
[10:01] <mike_> I was wondering about that
[10:01] <mike_> It's just a simple background,
[10:02] <sucho> mike_: maybe you can put it at gnomelook.org
[10:02] <sj`> Burgundavia: it get dependency issues when i do apt-get install totem-xine
[10:02] <mike_> any way to add it to the Wiki-CommunityArtwork
[10:02] <synd> has anyone ever installed every single package availiable from synaptic and the ubuntu repositories? just curious
[10:03] <sucho> mike_: dunno, sorry
[10:03] <sj`> yet totem, xine and mplayer are all installed
[10:03] <ions> anyone know where I'd report a bug in the Gnome Weather Report applet?
[10:04] <Dr_Aevil> synd: some of them are mutually exclusive so I don't think so
[10:04] <Burgundavia> sj`: what sort of dep issues?
[10:04] <Burgundavia> sj`: do you have universe enabled?
[10:05] <Burgundavia> sj`: and mulitverse and the marallairt repos
[10:05] <synd> Dr_Aevil: whatcha mean by mutally exclusive?
[10:05] <sj`> Burgundavia: just fixed it, had to say apt-get "install totem-xine" along with each lib had dependency isues
[10:05] <cowbud> sj`: for some reason totem stopped but mplayer plays it..what did you install for totem to play dvds what lib?
[10:06] <Dr_Aevil> synd: e.g. to install one, another must be uninstalled - they won't live together
[10:06] <Burgundavia> sj`: that is truly odd
[10:07] <synd> Dr_Aevil: ah, i see.
[10:07] <sj`> there was 3 of them
[10:07] <sj`> i did apt-get install totem-xine libgnome-desktop-2 libgnomevfs2-0
[10:07] <cowbud> yah hrmm I have all those installed so blah I will just use mplayer for the time being
[10:10] <andrew__> hey, how do i use bittorrent? i get an error every time i try to use it
[10:10] <Burgundavia> andrew__: what sort of error?
[10:11] <Levander> Is there an easy way to take a screenshot of just one window under gnome?
[10:11] <Burgundavia> Levander: yes, using the gimp
[10:11] <sj`> Levander: gimpe will let you do it
[10:11] <sj`> *gimp
[10:11] <Burgundavia> Levander: file --> aquire-->screenshot
[10:11] <Burgundavia> Levander: choose single window
[10:11] <Levander> cool, i'm about to try it, thanks
[10:11] <andrew__> says it could not load wxpython
[10:12] <Burgundavia> andrew__: are you warty or hoary?
[10:12] <andrew__> warty
[10:12] <Burgundavia> andrew__: hmm
[10:12] <andrew__> hmmm?
[10:12] <Burgundavia> andrew__: do you have wxpython installed?
[10:13] <andrew__> i just searched synaptic and it doesn't show up
[10:13] <Burgundavia> andrew__: oh
[10:13] <Burgundavia> andrew__: that is interesting
[10:13] <henke> any clue why gnome apps don't seem to honor the locale setting? It is set to sv_SE but most programs still show up in English.
[10:13] <andrew__> perhaps there is a source that i have yet to add?
[10:13] <EddieX> Is it recommended to do make-kpkg with a kernel from kernel.org ? Or will this act weird after i installed the new image?
[10:13] <Burgundavia> henke: if it is an application in main, file a bug about it
[10:13] <dockane> i would like to remove safely hardware from my running (!) laptop, like a slimline dvd i.e., what packet do i need to disable it before i remove it ?
[10:13] <Bazzi> henke maybe theyre lacking translation?
[10:14] <Burgundavia> andrew__: do you have universe enabled?
[10:14] <Burgundavia> dockane: nothing
[10:14] <andrew__> pretty sure i do
[10:14] <Burgundavia> dockane: that is what hotplug is for
[10:14] <looksaus> dockane, it's not safe to
[10:14] <looksaus> do so, generally spoken
[10:14] <looksaus> except for pcmcia stuff
[10:15] <Burgundavia> dockane: can you do that under windows?
[10:15] <looksaus> usb
[10:15] <dockane> looksaus, window$ tells that "its safe", but it isn't ????
[10:15] <looksaus> and ethernet things
[10:15] <illmonkey> hello everybody
[10:16] <Burgundavia> dockane: generally there is no software reason for just removing it, just the hardware ones me and looksaus have mentioned
[10:16] <henke> Bazzi, no, they have been translated before. I have upgraded to Hoary now.
[10:16] <illmonkey> I have problems with gDesklets
[10:16] <dockane> btw, i've got a thinkpad with an ultra-bay (dvd,2nd battery, 3.5 disc drive)
[10:16] <Burgundavia> illmonkey: what is your issue
[10:16] <illmonkey> could somebody help me
[10:16] <Burgundavia> dockane: can you hotplug your ultrabay?
[10:16] <synd> uhhhh
[10:16] <andrew__> Burgundavia, i have multiverse but i don't thinki  got universe
[10:16] <illmonkey> Some deslets work and mostly none
[10:16] <dockane> Burgundavia, i do not know what hotplug is
[10:16] <Burgundavia> andrew__: ok, you need universe as well. Multiverse is for legally questionable stuff
[10:16] <illmonkey> I'm behind Hoary 5.04
[10:17] <Burgundavia> dockane: hotplug is a program for finding and setting up hardware that can be hotpluged, that is removed while the system is running, such as PCMCIA and usb
[10:18] <looksaus> dockane, read this thread alreadt: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/index.php/Setting_up_Dmix_for_ALSA
[10:18] <looksaus> damn
[10:18] <illmonkey> Burgandavia : what can i do??
[10:18] <looksaus> http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/pipermail/linux-thinkpad/2005-March/024948.html
[10:18] <Burgundavia> illmonkey: gdesklets is mostly a broken piece of crap, from what I understand. I am sorry, but I cannot help you more
[10:18] <Burgundavia> illmonkey: I would suggest googling the gdesklet name
[10:18] <crimsun> eh? what's broken with gdesklets?
[10:19] <illmonkey> how do you select my name illmonkey : ???
[10:19] <illmonkey> starter bar is broken
[10:19] <Burgundavia> crimsun: changing specs and other stuff
[10:20] <illmonkey> it work but odd..
[10:20] <crimsun> Burgundavia: hmm, the version in universe is outdated anyhow...
[10:20] <dockane> looksaus, are you sure this url stands in context with my question ?
[10:20] <sj`> yes, gdesklets is broken badly
[10:20] <sj`> i've never had any luck with it.
[10:20] <henke> Bazzi, ok, I was just missing the language-pack-sv package.
[10:20] <sj`> hi crimsun (:
[10:21] <illmonkey> Crimsun, do you use gDesklets???
[10:22] <zenrox> hmm cant get my ht cpu worken
[10:23] <crimsun> illmonkey: no.
[10:23] <andrew__> Burgundavia, i have universe, did a reload and i still cann't find it
[10:24] <illmonkey> Is it hard to compile a src?
[10:24] <Burgundavia> andrew__: that is odd
[10:25] <andrew__> sould i be looking for wx python of something else
[10:25] <andrew__> or
[10:25] <andrew__> not of
[10:25] <synd> hey guys, i just apt-get install libdvdcss2 like the ubuntu guide told me to do to get DVD playback.. it installed fine.. but i can find where libdvdcss2 is?
[10:26] <synd> or is that not even an app at all?
[10:26] <Flonne> It will be automatically used by any programs that need it, such as Xine, synd.
[10:26] <Flonne> It's just a library.
[10:26] <synd> so, use totem movie player?
[10:26] <odie5533> VLC is better!
[10:26] <Flonne> That sounds about right.
[10:26] <odie5533> sudo apt-get install vlc
[10:27] <odie5533> best video player
[10:27] <crimsun> darned tootin, go vlc
[10:27] <crimsun> :D
[10:27] <odie5533> plays everything
[10:27] <eruin> totam-xine
[10:27] <odie5533> and plays it good
[10:27] <eruin> plays anything
[10:27] <eruin> ;)
[10:27] <synd> odie5533: totally forgot about VLC! i love it on my Mac.. it's awesome
[10:27] <crimsun> I need to change the description for .desktop
[10:27] <odie5533> I use vlc on linux and windows
[10:28] <Xappe> is the vlc plugin for firefox any good?
[10:28] <synd> i keep forgetting that most the open source apps that ive learn to use and love on OSX can be used on linux
[10:28] <odie5533> xappe: lemme go test right now
[10:28] <odie5533> Xappe: isnt working for me ah well
[10:28] <Xappe> hmm
[10:29] <andrew__> am downloading bittornado now
[10:29] <Flonne> Do we want to know why he was running root?
[10:29] <Burgundavia> andrew__: hoary has a bitorrent client enabled by default
[10:29] <andrew__> hey is there an instant messanger that support yahoo, aim, irc and others?
[10:30] <Burgundavia> andrew__: gaim
[10:30] <andrew__> Burgundavia, gaim will access yahoo messanger?
[10:30] <Burgundavia> andrew__: to the best of my knowledge, yes
[10:30] <Flonne> Yes, it will.
[10:30] <Burgundavia> I don't use IM, so I don't know
[10:30] <sj`> Burgundavia: after installing totem-xine what do i execute to run it?
[10:30] <Nap> andrew__: kopete is fine too, if you use kde
[10:30] <Burgundavia> sj`: it will replace totem on your menus
[10:31] <Flonne> sj`, "totem" should be sufficient.
[10:31] <sj`> ok thanks
[10:31] <synd> is there a kubuntu warty?
[10:31] <Burgundavia> synd: no
[10:31] <synd> bleh
[10:31] <andrew__> does kde take any less memory to use than gnome?
[10:32] <andrew__>  cause last i checkd gnome will use ALL available memory
[10:32] <Flonne> Not usually.
[10:32] <sj`> damn, it must have borked something, totem just returns to the bash with no error and nothing starts, hrm.
[10:32] <Burgundavia> andrew__: using all memory is not a bad thing
[10:32] <Flonne> andrew__, actually, that's due to the 2.6 kernel.
[10:32] <eruin> using all memory is a good thing
[10:32] <Burgundavia> andrew__: letting go of it is where you need to worry
[10:32] <synd> ok, i just got VLC installed.. how do I get it to show up in my Applications menu?
[10:32] <Flonne> It caches all the stuff it can, since RAM is so much faster than swap.
[10:32] <andrew__> i have had it that way even in the 2.4
[10:32] <crimsun> synd: it already does if you use Hoary.
[10:33] <synd> crimsun: Warty :p
[10:33] <crimsun> synd: start it from a terminal, or create a launcher
[10:33] <Flonne> crimsun, won't it appear following the next login?
[10:33] <cowbud> anyone remember the name of the program that is like expocity but it is standalone and actually uses Xorg technologies?
[10:33] <andrew__> maybe... i should be using fluxbox ;)
[10:33] <Levander> Anybody know how to resize an image to a specific pixel size in the gimp?
[10:34] <cowbud> ahh
[10:34] <cowbud> skippy
[10:34] <cowbud> godlike
[10:34] <Flonne> Levander, Image > Scale Image
[10:34] <crimsun> Flonne: dunno, not at my Warty machine
[10:34] <Levander> Ha! thanks Flonne, worked like a charm!
[10:34] <synd> crim: thanks!
[10:35] <synd> crimsun: thanks!
[10:36] <andrew__> i love the abillitys of fluxbox, but can someone help me, cause i just cann't figure out how to cusamize it
[10:37] <sj`> ok, i'm going with vlc as that is working
[10:37] <sj`> thanks alot guys
[10:37] <synd> wheres the vlc icon?
[10:38] <Burgundavia> synd: probably /usr/share/pixmaps
[10:38] <sj`> synd: i just went into my dvd dir (/media/cdrom0/) and launched "vlc VIDEO_TS"
[10:38] <sj`> and up it popped. i didn't use an icon or anything, sorry.
[10:38] <synd> ahh i love it! VLC has the aqua interface!
[10:39] <synd> sj`: yes i know how to get it running.. id just like an icon for it for my panel/dock
[10:40] <topyli> hmm... vlc has always been an underdog (don't know why, must be the interface), but now everybody seems to be using it :)
[10:40] <synd> erm, i can get VLC to run my dvd?
[10:40] <Flonne> I'm still a fan of FB MPlayer.
[10:40] <andrew__> anyone here use fluxbox?
[10:41] <topyli> perhaps people think "oh, i don't need all those network features that vlc offers" and think its overkill
[10:42] <Flonne> That's why I've been avoiding it...
[10:42] <kbrooks> whast is multiverse.
[10:42] <synd> ugh i can get VLC to run my dvd
[10:42] <synd> any ideas?
[10:42] <Flonne> A repository of not-so-free applications, kbrooks.
[10:42] <Flonne> If you can avoid using it, you should avoid using it.
[10:43] <topyli> Flonne: i tried vlc once and it was just as good for local use though
[10:43] <Xappe> synd, it should be ctrl+D
[10:43] <synd> Xappe: ctrl+d ?
[10:43] <Flonne> I'm sure it is, topyli, but I made my decision years ago, and I'm quite stubborn.
[10:43] <Xappe> synd, open disc
[10:43] <topyli> Flonne: well, you can't go wrong with mplayer
[10:44] <synd> hmm now it started
[10:44] <kbrooks> vlc?
[10:44] <topyli> Flonne: although, a few years ago, there was not much of a choice was there :)
[10:44] <kbrooks> what is vlc..
[10:44] <Flonne> Video LAN Client.
[10:45] <Flonne> It's supposedly an awesome video player with lots of network features.
[10:45] <jgoebel> what is a minimal ubuntu install?
[10:45] <kbrooks> heh
[10:45] <Jesterace> jgoebel: it's ubuntu without a desktop environment
[10:45] <topyli> jgoebel: not much :)
[10:45] <eric> hey I just installed a nfs server on ubuntu and it don't work; client report : RPC : system error on target host - Connexion refused
[10:45] <jgoebel> Jesterace: i mean how many mb :)
[10:45] <Jesterace> no idea :P
[10:45] <Jesterace> hehe
[10:46] <Jesterace> i did it once
[10:46] <eric> on the ubuntu server, the portmapper is running so it's not a portmap issue, could anyone  help ?
[10:46] <Flonne> The service might require manual configuration for security purposes, eric.
[10:46] <topyli> jgoebel: it's about the same as debian base install, a couple of dozen megs i guess
[10:46] <jgoebel> i'm trying to figure out if a 512mb or 1gig CF card would work for a diskless box :)
[10:46] <kbrooks> WHAT IS VLC
[10:46] <Flonne> kbrooks, "It's supposedly an awesome video player with lots of network features."
[10:46] <eric> VLC IS A MEDIA PLAYER
[10:46] <jgoebel> topyli: hmmm, i recall it being more like 300mb?  does that sound right?
[10:46] <topyli> kbrooks: type that into google :)
[10:47] <topyli> jgoebel: might be close
[10:47] <kbrooks> eric, cut the caps
[10:47] <topyli> heh
[10:47] <dealmo720> apt-get install vlc
[10:47] <topyli> look whos talking
[10:47] <jgoebel> topyli: i keep reading about perfectly silents PCs and i want one
[10:47] <eric> Flonne I've installed nfs servers on debian and multiple other OS for multple years and never needed manual config
[10:48] <eric> kbrooks this is the kind of question where you could have googled and where you just repeated multple time and I was getting tired
[10:48] <Flonne> Odd... I had to configure it quite a bit on Gentoo, Arch, and Solaris.
[10:48] <topyli> jgoebel: you'll get a silent system with a base install that does nothing =)
[10:48] <kbrooks> Can I view DVDs with VLC?
[10:48] <jgoebel> topyli: well, i know i have to add to the base install :)
[10:49] <topyli> heh
[10:49] <eric> kbrooks why don't you go to vlc's website ???
[10:49] <goldfish> kbrooks: you can, yes
[10:49] <topyli> kbrooks: or type those into google. fwiw, i seem to recall you can
[10:49] <kbrooks> k
[10:50] <eric> Flone it should works by default, solaris 8 worked by default and debian worked by default
[10:50] <Xappe> topyli: well, lynx for the web and irssi for irc :)
[10:50] <topyli> Xappe: sure. mutt and abook. when for scheduling, note for database and so on :)
[10:52] <kbrooks> LOL. VLC for debian testing:  You should not be using Debian testing unless you perfectly know what you are doing. It is almost impossible to support Debian testing and there are no plans to do it.
[10:53] <mamasita> question i have just put hoary on 2nd partition, now i'm going to have to install xp on the first
[10:53] <Flonne> mamasita, XP is hardly a necessity, but go on.
[10:54] <Marble2> Okay, I'm using this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=42546 to fix a problem I have and I get errors when I run the command " mount -o loop /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-4-386 /mnt/initrd"
[10:54] <mamasita> will grub be in mbr by default
[10:54] <Marble2> I get the errors ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy
[10:54] <Marble2> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[10:54] <mamasita> or on second partition root
[10:54] <Flonne> Not after a Windows installation.
[10:54] <Marble2> Does anyone know how to fix these?
[10:54] <Flonne> Windows will overwrite MBR, preventing you from booting into Linux until you deal with it.
[10:54] <mamasita> ok but i want dual boot
[10:54] <mamasita> ah
[10:54] <mamasita>  ok
[10:55] <Burgundavia> mamasita: create a grub boot disk before you do this, and get the instructions ready beforehand
[10:55] <ExoBuZz> i always have bootmgr handy on a disk.. great japanese mbr menu
[10:55] <Flonne> It's possible, mamasita, and there's an article with a situation like yours on the Ubuntu Wiki.
[10:55] <WeirdAl> Hi guys. I've got a bust DVD which caused xine to crash and now my drive's stuck between mounted and unmounted.
[10:55] <ExoBuZz> s/disk/floppy
[10:55] <Burgundavia> mamasita: having done it several times, it really really sucks if you are prepared
[10:55] <WeirdAl> I can't eject it through software or hardware.
[10:55] <WeirdAl> Am I gunna have to log out? Don't really want to.
[10:55] <mamasita> dont have a floppy drive
[10:56] <Burgundavia> WeirdAl: ahh, use a paper clip and and open the drive that way
[10:56] <WeirdAl> heh, OK.
[10:56] <Burgundavia> WeirdAl: should be a little hole in the front
[10:56] <mamasita> i found a way to do this with xp installed first
[10:56] <WeirdAl> I have one for just that occasion, but I didn't want to bust anything
[10:56] <mamasita> ill just try it and see
[10:56] <Flonne> Actually, Burgundavia, you could just use a LiveCD, chroot into your old environment, re-install GRUB, hack out a quick menu.lst, and reboot... but that's something I should save for an article.
[10:56] <Burgundavia> mamasita: always install windows first
[10:56] <Burgundavia> Flonne: true
[10:57] <Flonne> In fact, I'll write that now.
[10:57] <Burgundavia> Flonne: posthoary I am going to be working on such faqs with the docteam
[10:57] <Marble2> Anyone?
[10:57] <Flonne> Wanna check this when I'm done, then?
[10:57] <Burgundavia> Flonne: put it on the wiki
[10:57] <mamasita> i know i was planning on that but it kept running and i figured i'd deal with it late
[10:57] <Burgundavia> Flonne: sure
[10:57] <mamasita> r
[10:58] <mamasita> or does anybody have a windows driver for ndiswrapper for wpc54g
[10:59] <topyli> Marble2: not an expert but mount expects a -t option for the filesystem, not -o. i guess
[10:59] <Flonne> The nDiswrapper site has links to cardlistings and drivers, mamasita.
[10:59] <WeirdAl> Burgundavia: Do you know how I can recover drive operation?
[10:59] <Flonne> It's pretty straightforward.
[10:59] <mamasita> thanks
[10:59] <WeirdAl> I got the disk out but the drive's still comatose
[11:00] <Burgundavia> WeirdAl: hmm
[11:01] <kbrooks> what would be a good canadian ntp server
[11:01] <Burgundavia> WeirdAl: without logging out, I have no good answer
[11:01] <Burgundavia> WeirdAl: you can try restarting hotplug
[11:01] <WeirdAl> I might re-mount it
[11:02] <asdfasdfasdf> what's more recent: the hoary preview or array cd 7?
[11:02] <topyli> WeirdAl: i hate to admit but i've rebooted in such situations. it was always redhat 9 though :)
[11:02] <Burgundavia> WeirdAl: that might also work
[11:03] <[nrx_] > what was the name of that kde game where you had to push blocks, etc to get at jewels?
[11:03] <Burgundavia> [nrx] : you can try asking at #kubuntu
[11:04] <WeirdAl> ok cheers burg. Looks like I'ma have to log out if not reset.
[11:04] <Marble2> Okay, I'm using this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=42546 to fix a problem I have and I get errors when I run the command " mount -o loop /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-4-386 /mnt/initrd"
[11:04] <Marble2> I get the errors ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy
[11:04] <Marble2> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[11:04] <Marble2> Any ideas on what's wrong?
[11:04] <BubbaMarie> hello all
[11:04] <goldfish> hi
[11:05] <BubbaMarie> i just installed a dwl-g510 dlink wireless card
[11:05] <Burgundavia> BubbaMarie: and?
[11:05] <BubbaMarie> anyone know if there is a way to detect it?
[11:05] <BubbaMarie> a driver
[11:05] <BubbaMarie> i googled
[11:05] <topyli> Marble2: like i said, mount probably wants you to specify the filesystem type with a -t option, not -o
[11:05] <s0undt3ch> hello ppl
[11:05] <s0undt3ch> got a question
[11:06] <kbrooks> ask
[11:06] <BubbaMarie> but couldn't find anything
[11:06] <topyli> Marble2: but not sure
[11:06] <s0undt3ch> is ubunto suitable for a web/mail server?
[11:06] <Ratmann> Hello all
[11:06] <topyli> s0undt3ch: sure
[11:06] <kbrooks> topyli, yeah. -t for fs type
[11:06] <s0undt3ch> a corporate presence on the net, plus router, firewall...
[11:06] <Ratmann> How's everyone doing?
[11:06] <Marble2> ok
[11:06] <topyli> s0undt3ch: just like debian
[11:06] <Ratmann> Can anyone care to give me a little help?
[11:06] <Ratmann> lol
[11:06] <Marble2> what is the -o loop for then?
[11:07] <topyli> Marble2: a typo, i guess
[11:07] <Ratmann> I'm next to linux, and went with Ubuntu, thanks to a friend
[11:07] <bitar> hey all
[11:07] <Burgundavia> BubbaMarie: hmm
[11:07] <s0undt3ch> it's suposelly easier than deb right?
[11:07] <topyli> Ratmann: congratulations on your excellent os choice :)
[11:07] <Ratmann> Thanks :)
[11:07] <bitar> does the Ubuntu cd come with another web browser?
[11:07] <kbrooks> ask
[11:07] <s0undt3ch> also is it really secure?
[11:07] <topyli> s0undt3ch: for a server setup, it's pretty much the same
[11:07] <Ratmann> It rocks, only thing being hard right now isssss, installing stuff
[11:07] <Ratmann> lol
[11:07] <Bazzi> "welcome to the communism-inspired ubuntu linux community" ;)
[11:08] <Burgundavia> BubbaMarie: seems to be a ndis wrapper job
[11:08] <Ratmann> hehehe
[11:08] <bitar> other than firefox?
[11:08] <Burgundavia> BubbaMarie: install ndiswrapper and grab the windows driver cd
[11:08] <topyli> Ratmann: pour your problems on this channel, and people will help you
[11:08] <Marble2> topyli, without -o loop I get: root@Knoppix:/tmp # mount -t ext3 /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-4-386 /mnt/initrd
[11:08] <Marble2> mount: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-4-386 is not a block device (maybe try `-o loop'?)
[11:08] <LordC> Has anyone tried getting the gmailfs package working?
[11:08] <Ratmann> That's the only thing that bothers me about linux, i don't know about installing stuff in it
[11:08] <topyli> Marble2: ok, it's not a typo :)
[11:08] <randabis> why are you trying to mount an initial ram disk?
[11:08] <BubbaMarie> Burgundavia, thanks, i wanted to make sure...i've never done that before being new to linux/ubuntu, i'll give it a try
[11:09] <Bazzi> Ratmann get to know "apt"
[11:09] <topyli> Ratmann: well, that's one of the easy things
[11:09] <Flonne> Installing stuff is easier than it ever was under Windows, Ratmann.
[11:09] <Bazzi> or that synaptic thingy
[11:09] <Ratmann> Oh
[11:09] <topyli> Ratmann: you don't surf around the net searching for software and then figuring out how to install
[11:09] <Marble2> anyone else have any ideas?
[11:09] <randabis> why are you trying to mount an initial ram disk?
[11:09] <Ratmann> Yeah
[11:10] <topyli> Ratmann: you just say "apt-get install <random-program>"
[11:10] <Ratmann> Right now i wanna see if i can install Wings 3d, a free 3d modelling application
[11:10] <Ratmann> Got the Linux version
[11:10] <Ratmann> wings-0.98.29b-linux.run.gz , that's the name of the file
[11:10] <Flonne> Wings 3D is fun.
[11:10] <Ratmann> Yah it's nice
[11:10] <eric> I have a problem with the nfs server in ubuntu, on the ubuntu box, when mounting localhost:/something, everything works, but when I mount the imac.local (the ip of this box):/something, I get RPC error...  anyone can help ?
[11:11] <s0undt3ch> for a server should I download 4.1 or go with the latest preview?? Is this latest preview stable enough?
[11:11] <Flonne> It wings3d - A Nendo-inspired 3D polygon mesh modeller
[11:11] <topyli> Ratmann: so, do "apt-get install wings3d" :)
[11:11] <Ratmann> Though after that, i'm gonna try and get Softimage XSI , which is the main 3d animation aplication i use
[11:11] <Marble2> randabis, I'm getting bootup errors, and using this guide in an attempt to fix it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=42546
[11:11] <Burgundavia> Ratmann: wings3d is already in the repos
[11:11] <kbrooks> gdi
[11:11] <kbrooks> (god damn it)
[11:11] <kbrooks> Marble2, -o loop is special
[11:11] <kbrooks> Marble2, loop isnt even a fs
[11:11] <Flonne> It's in Hoary, Ratmann.
[11:11] <kbrooks> ext2, ext3, etc are
[11:11] <Ratmann> Oh
[11:11] <kbrooks> -t is used to specify them
[11:11] <Flonne> This makes things very easy.
[11:11] <randabis> Ratmann, sudo apt-get install wings3d will install it
[11:11] <randabis> you didn't even need to download the program
[11:11] <Burgundavia> Ratmann: debian-based distros like Ubuntu use centralized software repositories for installing and updating
[11:11] <Flonne> Ratmann, just fire up Synaptic and run a find for "wings3d".
[11:11] <topyli> kbrooks: oh yeah, good point
[11:12] <Burgundavia> Ratmann: so generally everything you need is in those repos
[11:12] <Marble2> kbrooks, using -to ext loop doesn't work
[11:12] <s0undt3ch> it only has 1 cd???
[11:12] <BubbaMarie> Burgundavia, is that a software i need to compile?
[11:12] <Flonne> Marble2, specify them as separate flags.
[11:12] <s0undt3ch> deb has 7?
[11:12] <Marble2> just gives me mount usage
[11:12] <s0undt3ch> fewer packages right?
[11:12] <randabis> s0undt3ch, yes, you obtain most software over the internet
[11:12] <Flonne> Marble2, "-t ext -o loop"
[11:12] <Marble2> Flonne: Okay, that gives me
[11:12] <Marble2> root@Knoppix:/tmp # mount -t ext3 -o loop /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-4-386 /mnt/initrd
[11:12] <Marble2> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop5,
[11:12] <Marble2>        missing codepage or other error
[11:12] <Marble2>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[11:12] <Marble2>        dmesg | tail  or so
[11:12] <randabis> s0undt3ch, not really fewer packages
[11:12] <Burgundavia> BubbaMarie: nope, just apt-get install ndiswrapper
[11:13] <Ratmann> brb
[11:13] <s0undt3ch> and comppile it?
[11:13] <topyli> Marble2: depending on the file you're mounting, you will have to use "-t filesystem -o loop" i guess
[11:13] <Burgundavia> BubbaMarie: then you need to follow the directions on how to set it up
[11:13] <randabis> s0undt3ch, the packages are just online in ubuntu's repositories
[11:13] <randabis> s0undt3ch, no compiling needed
[11:13] <s0undt3ch> randabis: not really, how so?
[11:13] <s0undt3ch> ho
[11:13] <s0undt3ch> oh
[11:13] <s0undt3ch> k
[11:13] <kbrooks> topyli, what
[11:13] <Flonne> I don't think initrd images are ext3, Marble2.
[11:13] <topyli> kbrooks: about loop and filesystems
[11:13] <Marble2> ohhh
[11:13] <Marble2> what type is it?
[11:13] <kbrooks> Marble2, WHY ARE YOU MOUNTING A INITAL RAM DISK
[11:14] <topyli> kbrooks: what was it you're trying to mount?
[11:14] <Marble2> kbrooks, i told you, I get bootup errors and this guide claims to fix the problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=42546
[11:14] <Marble2> so I'm following it
[11:14] <topyli> kbrooks: sorry, that's for Marble2
[11:14] <occy> BubbaMarie: what's your problem?
[11:14] <s0undt3ch> so, for a server which should
[11:14] <s0undt3ch> I download?
[11:14] <s0undt3ch> warty?
[11:14] <Marble2> topyli, /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-4-386 is what I'm trying to mount
[11:14] <LeeJunFan> hah, yeah - warty.
[11:15] <eruin> hoary!
[11:15] <occy> BubbaMarie: CD's have been sent out to you. Ill and P$
[11:15] <s0undt3ch> come on..
[11:15] <s0undt3ch> wich!
[11:15] <s0undt3ch> which!
[11:15] <eruin> hoary!
[11:15] <s0undt3ch> ?
[11:15] <LeeJunFan> s0undt3ch: hoary
[11:15] <Burgundavia> s0undt3ch: I would use warty as it is stable. Hoary is going to be released April 8th, so if you can wait a week
[11:15] <Marble2> topyli, do you know what file system that would be?
[11:15] <eruin> which means hoary is pretty much stable already
[11:15] <LeeJunFan> s0undt3ch: warty is unstable. hoary is at least testing, stable soon.
[11:16] <paulswm> Marble2: mount -t cramfs -o loop /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-4-386 /mnt (or wherever you want to mount it
[11:16] <Burgundavia> s0undt3ch: in general I would avoid using unstable non-releases (like hoary) for servers
[11:16] <topyli> Marble2: awwww. that's pretty deep system-fu you're linking to
[11:16] <LeeJunFan> oops, scratch that.
[11:16] <LeeJunFan> hehe
[11:16] <Marble2> paulswm, that worked
[11:16] <Marble2> thanks
[11:16] <s0undt3ch> oh, so hoary... K, so I should download 4.10?
[11:16] <paulswm> Marble2: you are welcome
[11:17] <Burgundavia> s0undt3ch: 4.10 = warty 5.04 = hoary
[11:17] <kbrooks> what is this for
[11:17] <kbrooks> cmon
[11:17] <kbrooks> explain
[11:17] <kbrooks> Marble2, well, its LAGGY here
[11:17] <kbrooks> s0undt3ch, .... download hoary
[11:17] <s0undt3ch> your getting me confused here
[11:17] <Burgundavia> s0undt3ch: warty is stable
[11:17] <s0undt3ch> which came first?
[11:17] <Flonne> Warty.
[11:17] <goldfish> warty
[11:17] <randabis> you might as well get hoary since it will be released in a week anyway
[11:18] <topyli> s0undt3ch: hoary is almost there
[11:18] <Goshawk> | Hoary preview release: http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/ | Release Candidate: March 30th
[11:18] <Goshawk> it's got from #ubuntu-devel
[11:18] <randabis> Hoary goes gold April 6th
[11:18] <Burgundavia> 8th actually
[11:18] <Burgundavia> they just moved the date to accomdate gnome 2.10.1
[11:18] <topyli> it's golden already :)
[11:19] <Burgundavia> but it isn't for servers
[11:19] <randabis> oh?
[11:19] <topyli> Burgundavia: why not?
[11:19] <s0undt3ch> ...
[11:19] <randabis> hoary could be used just fine as a server
[11:19] <Burgundavia> topyli: 48 packages to update today?
[11:19] <Burgundavia> servers are very different beasts than desktop mahcines
[11:19] <topyli> Burgundavia: that will settle once hoary is stable
[11:19] <s0undt3ch> yaeh, I want a server
[11:20] <Burgundavia> topyli: but before then, I would use stable for any server I ran
[11:20] <Burgundavia> I don
[11:20] <randabis> maybe so, but the ubuntu repositories contain everything a typical server would need Burgundavia
[11:20] <Burgundavia> t want occasional breakage
[11:20] <randabis> you would just do a custom server install
[11:20] <Burgundavia> randabis: I am not arguing for not using ubuntu, I am saying use the stable release
[11:20] <s0undt3ch> si before it is, i should download?
[11:20] <Burgundavia> s0undt3ch: warty, as it is stable
[11:20] <s0undt3ch> si=so
[11:20] <s0undt3ch> k
[11:20] <topyli> Burgundavia: you think s0undt3ch is installing an unknown OS for a server and it will be in production in a couple of days? :)
[11:21] <randabis> s0undt3ch, what kind of server, and what will it be used for?
[11:21] <Burgundavia> topyli: then he can evaluate moving to hoarywhen he needs to
[11:21] <mulkku> is it possible to take screenshot with some command and automatically save it?
[11:21] <Burgundavia> mulkku: ?
[11:21] <kbrooks> reconnected
[11:21] <kbrooks> :P
[11:21] <s0undt3ch> Router, Firewall, MAil, Web....
[11:21] <topyli> Burgundavia: sure. s0undt3ch, it's not like debian/ubuntu is hard to upgrade
[11:21] <Burgundavia> s0undt3ch: is this your first linux server?
[11:21] <eric> anyone knows where is rcpinfo ??
[11:21] <s0undt3ch> internet sharing...
[11:22] <randabis> s0undt3ch, is it just a home server or will you have clients?
[11:22] <goldfish> mulkku: are u using gnome?
[11:22] <s0undt3ch> nope
[11:22] <mulkku> goldfish: yah..
[11:22] <s0undt3ch> I had a mandrake, and now a fedora...
[11:22] <goldfish> mulkku: there is one in the computer menu
[11:22] <[nrx_] > lame newbie question... when you install a new package.. does it not automatically add it to the gnome/xfce menu?
[11:22] <goldfish> mulkku:  a screenshot utility
[11:22] <goldfish> i think it runs gnome-screenshot
[11:22] <mulkku> goldfish: know that..........
[11:22] <goldfish> k
[11:22] <Bazzi> [nrx]  usually it does.
[11:22] <kbrooks> "automatically"?
[11:22] <dashnu> mulkku, sudo apt-get install scrot
[11:22] <topyli> mulkku: gnome-panel-screenshot. btw, your nick is offensive, as you must know
[11:23] <Burgundavia> [nrx] : missing a file called a .desktop file
[11:23] <kbrooks> [nrx_] , maybe. TIAS
[11:23] <mulkku> dashnu: ty
[11:23] <Burgundavia> [nrx] : what package?
[11:23] <[nrx_] > Burgundavia, kdegames
[11:23] <randabis> If it's just a home server and not a production server, I'd say just use hoary...it'll be stable in about a week anyway...keep in mind stable just means that the packages get updated often...stable releases have their packages frozen other than for security updates
[11:23] <mulkku> topyli: why?
[11:23] <Burgundavia> [nrx] : then it should
[11:23] <mulkku> topyli: ;)
[11:23] <[nrx_] > Burgundavia, does it take a relogin?
[11:23] <Burgundavia> [nrx] : shouldn't if they have set up the package right
[11:24] <s0undt3ch> yeah it's a home server, but I want it secured...
[11:24] <topyli> mulkku: well, we don't have many fuckfaces and motherfuckers around do we?
[11:24] <[nrx_] > topyli, language
[11:24] <pirx> hi! i am trying to install xmms in hoary. but i cant find it in apt-cache search, shouldnt it be there?
[11:24] <s0undt3ch> there will be win machines on it, and you know they suck in security
[11:24] <topyli> [nrx_] : that's what i'm saying :(
[11:24] <Burgundavia> pirx: have you enabled universe?
[11:24] <perse> topyli: hehehe
[11:24] <randabis> hoary will be fine imho
[11:24] <kbrooks> pirx, enable universe
[11:24] <pirx> Burgundavia: nope, dunno what that means:)
[11:24] <kbrooks> pirx, do you know a little about text editing?
[11:24] <topyli> or great
[11:25] <Burgundavia> pirx: synaptic, settings --> repos add repo--> hoary universe
[11:25] <pirx> kbrooks: a little yes:)
[11:25] <kbrooks> pirx, do what Burgundavia says
[11:27] <eric> mount: RPC: erreur systme sur l'hte cible - Connexion refuse
[11:27] <eric> root@imac:/home/eric # mount localhost:/var/www /test/
[11:27] <eric> oups sorry
[11:27] <ren0> Whe I run : qemu hdd.img....
[11:27] <ren0> I get this error message: warning: could not open /dev/net/tun: no virtual network emulation....
[11:28] <ren0> Does anybody know why?
[11:28] <Burgundavia> ren0: I get that as well
[11:28] <pirx> i just see some 4.10 and 5.04 repos, none of them is called universe
[11:28] <Burgundavia> pirx: should be one called community maintained
[11:28] <pirx> i see a 5.04 hoary hedgehog, should i add that?
[11:29] <Burgundavia> you should see a drop bar with hoary on it
[11:29] <Burgundavia> and below 4 check boxes
[11:29] <Burgundavia> check all 4
[11:29] <ren0> Thaks Burgundavia
[11:29] <ren0> Thanks
[11:29] <Burgundavia> np
[11:29] <pirx> those "components" i see there, is that something i should click in myself?
[11:29] <WeirdAl> guys, help :-(
[11:29] <Burgundavia> pirx: yes
[11:29] <WeirdAl> I updated my laptop to Hoary
[11:29] <pirx> Burgundavia: oki
[11:29] <BubbaMarie> i love weirdal
[11:29] <Burgundavia> WeirdAl: and?
[11:30] <WeirdAl> But now it won't turn on
[11:30] <BubbaMarie> my kids love weirdal too
[11:30] <Burgundavia> WeirdAl: what borked?
[11:30] <WeirdAl> When it was installing the power management system it went into suspend.
[11:30] <Burgundavia> WeirdAl: what stage does it fail?
[11:30] <WeirdAl> But the laptop doesn't support suspend.
[11:30] <WeirdAl> And now every time I turn it on, it goes into suspend mode.
[11:30] <Burgundavia> eww
[11:30] <WeirdAl> This is because the battery's borked
[11:30] <WeirdAl> And permanently reports empty.
[11:30] <WeirdAl> Even when it's plugged in... which it always is because the battery's borked.
[11:31] <WeirdAl> I'll tell you how far it gets.
[11:31] <WeirdAl> Let me boot it...
[11:31] <WeirdAl> ... Nice if it would
[11:33] <ren0> Good night.
[11:34] <WeirdAl> OK
[11:34] <WeirdAl> It started the Power Management system
[11:34] <WeirdAl> Then it got stuck on "Starting Unix Printing System" or somethign similar
[11:34] <WeirdAl> Then it powered down into suspend
[11:35] <WeirdAl> Any ideas, dudes?
[11:35] <WeirdAl> And dudettes
[11:35] <topyli> we are awed to silence
[11:35] <Ratmann> Ok back
[11:36] <WeirdAl> You mean because I manage to bugger up such a simple thing? :-)
[11:36] <topyli> heh
[11:36] <WeirdAl> OK, would it be safe to install Hoary from CD over the top of the current one without losing my home dir?
[11:36] <Ratmann> Soo i got wings at /root/wings-0.98.29b
[11:36] <Ratmann> lol
[11:36] <WeirdAl> Red Bull gives you Wings
[11:37] <monteiro> my grave burner don't burn, it makes the image but when it is time to burn the cd it gives an error, saying that an error occurred :( , anyone can help me ?
[11:37] <topyli> WeirdAl: it should support upgrades i guess
[11:37] <WeirdAl> OK
[11:37] <WeirdAl> I'll see how it goes.
[11:37] <topyli> monteiro: what a great error message :)
[11:37] <WeirdAl> :-s Don't wanna lose me stuffses
[11:37] <hou5ton> I have installed Real Player 10 Gold on Hoary, and it is working properly. I have also installed all kinds of codecs in Totem. However, when I click on a RealPlayer link in a web page, it won't even try to open RealPlayer, but opens Totem, and then gives me the following error: No URI Handler implemented for ...
[11:37] <WeirdAl> hou5ton: Firefox?
[11:37] <topyli> WeirdAl: don't believe me then. i've never tried the upgrade
[11:37] <hou5ton> WeirdAl:  yes
[11:38] <WeirdAl> I think you can change the default programs somewhere...
[11:38] <WeirdAl> and it's set to Totem for RAM files.
[11:38] <Ratmann> Anyone?
[11:38] <Ratmann> lol
[11:38] <ren0> Burgundavia, You need to be sudo for qemu to connect to tun0: pjharper@reno:~$ sudo qemu hdd.img
[11:38] <ren0> Connected to host network interface: tun0
[11:39] <ren0> Now it works
[11:39] <Ratmann> WOOT
[11:39] <Ratmann> Got it running
[11:39] <Ratmann> Silly me
[11:39] <Ratmann> lol
[11:39] <Burgundavia> ren0: ah
[11:39] <ren0> Its easy when you know how.
[11:39] <topyli> Ratmann: did you have to run it as root? that would not be good
[11:39] <Burgundavia> ren0: it is easy when you read the manpage
[11:39] <Ratmann> Oh
[11:40] <ren0> I was working from an article in a magazine. There was a lot of inaccuracy in it.
[11:40] <Burgundavia> Ratmann: did you install wings from the repos?
[11:40] <Burgundavia> ren0: ah
[11:40] <ren0> So I experiment. You have to destroy the village to save it!
[11:40] <Ratmann> i downloaded the .run file
[11:40] <Ratmann> And used the root terminal to run it
[11:40] <Dreamer3> what's new in the ubuntu world?
[11:41] <Burgundavia> Ratmann: it is in the repos
[11:41] <ren0> qemu is quite slow though. I will be curious to try xen.
[11:41] <GnuKemist> Dreamer3: apt-get update   ;)
[11:41] <Burgundavia> ren0: qemu is dog slow
[11:41] <WeirdAl> kemist: lol
[11:41] <Dreamer3> GnuKemist: working on it
[11:41] <Ratmann> Oh poop
[11:41] <topyli> Ratmann: ah, an installer. you should install it to /opt, or use the package that ubuntu offers for you :)
[11:41] <GnuKemist> ;)
[11:41] <Burgundavia> Ratmann: the other advantage repos provide is removal scripts
[11:41] <WeirdAl> Linux jokes are the best.
[11:41] <GnuKemist> hehe
[11:41] <Ratmann> Were are the repos?
[11:42] <Ratmann> Sorry, still learning
[11:42] <Se7h> sorry
[11:42] <ren0> I need a bigger computer. With disk arrays the size of washing machines...
[11:42] <topyli> Ratmann: behind the apt-get command, no further
[11:42] <Burgundavia> Ratmann: you connect to them through synaptic or apt-get or aptitude
[11:42] <henry> what is the best mp3 player for ubuntu?
[11:42] <henry> i installed xmms but it crashes a lot
[11:42] <GnuKemist> henry: that's a whole bunch
[11:42] <Burgundavia> henry: common ones are mplayer, xmms, muine and rhythmbox
[11:42] <topyli> henry: there are so many different players
[11:42] <Ratmann> Type that into the root terminal?
[11:43] <Xappe> henry: xmms, beep media player, rythmbox...your fragrance, your rules
[11:43] <WeirdAl> henry: xmms crashes a lot if you don't set the sound up right.
[11:43] <WeirdAl> For one thing
[11:43] <Burgundavia> Ratmann: run synaptic if you want to have a gui tool
[11:43] <henry> yeah i havent managed to get sound to work so far
[11:43] <WeirdAl> yeah open it up
[11:43] <topyli> Ratmann: your first day, use the graphical package manager
[11:43] <henry> i only got buntu installed yesterday and its fantastic so far :)
[11:43] <WeirdAl> Then go to preferences, and change the sound driver to esd
[11:43] <Ratmann> Ok it opened
[11:43] <Ratmann> :)
[11:43] <ren0> I am finding rythmbox pretty functional. Nt pretty to look at but it works.
[11:43] <WeirdAl> esd sucks, but it'll work.
[11:44] <Burgundavia> I use muine personally
[11:44] <Burgundavia> but you need to make certain your id3 tags are in order
[11:44] <WeirdAl> It's possible to turn the esd server off and use better sound output but that's not for now :-)
[11:44] <henry> im selected soundblaster live!
[11:44] <henry> alsa mixer
[11:45] <mjr> hmm, does ubuntu use hinting proper or autohinting with freetype?
[11:45] <WeirdAl> Alsa won't work if you've not changed any system settings.
[11:45] <WeirdAl> So henry: change it to use esd
[11:45] <WeirdAl> Then see if it works.
[11:45] <topyli> Burgundavia: you need sane tags for rhythmbox too. i spent a lot of time fixing those :(
[11:45] <Ratmann> Ok so what now?
[11:45] <henry> i dont have the esd option :(
[11:45] <ren0> Try a few. Personally I find what works on one machine isn't the same as another. Sam with distros. Ubuntu is my main distro but I had a freinds that just wouldn't go with it.
[11:45] <WeirdAl> ... oh. um?
[11:45] <ren0> So I put Mandrake on it and everything worked.
[11:46] <GnuKemist> Ratmann: first day on Linux for you?
[11:46] <topyli> Ratmann: always press the reload button first
[11:46] <Ratmann> Yah
[11:46] <Ratmann> lol
[11:46] <WeirdAl> Guys, I can't install Hoary over Warty. It won't let me :-(
[11:46] <GnuKemist> Ratmann: welcome to the community! ;)
[11:46] <Ratmann> :)
[11:46] <WeirdAl> OMG
[11:46] <WeirdAl> I can use Knoppix and my USB clip
[11:46] <GnuKemist> hehe
[11:46] <WeirdAl> Hooray for dense removable storage
[11:46] <topyli> WeirdAl: no? and your /home is not on a separate partition?
[11:47] <WeirdAl> No, it's not a big disk. :-\
[11:47] <Ratmann> Pressed reload
[11:47] <WeirdAl> Still... Knoppix to the rescue!
[11:47] <GnuKemist> I wonder how long till my connection from work disconnects
[11:47] <topyli> Ratmann: then search for the package you want. wings3d or what was it
[11:47] <Ratmann> Yeah
[11:47] <GnuKemist> WeirdAl: have u heard of Damn Small Linux?
[11:48] <WeirdAl> <-- GnuKemist has quit (Connection reset by peer)
[11:48] <WeirdAl> Yeah I have. Doesn't work.
[11:48] <Ratmann> Hmm
[11:48] <Ratmann> Just noticed
[11:48] <WeirdAl> :-)
[11:48] <GnuKemist> k
[11:48] <Ratmann> It says i have 308 updates
[11:48] <Ratmann> lol
[11:48] <GnuKemist> ;)
[11:48] <WeirdAl> I have that and Knoppix anyway...
[11:48] <ren0> Knoppix is good for rescue. I saved a freinds uni assignment last week.
[11:48] <topyli> hehe
[11:48] <WeirdAl> So it's not like I have to get anything.
[11:48] <Ratmann> I have to download that stuff
[11:48] <Ratmann> lol
[11:48] <topyli> Ratmann: might as well do the upgrade too :)
[11:48] <GnuKemist> Ratmann: go for it
[11:48] <Ratmann> Yah
[11:48] <ren0> You can do a lot of the knoppix stuff with the Ubuntu live cd though.
[11:49] <topyli> Ratmann: but find the package first
[11:49] <Ratmann> It was searching there, didn't find :-/
[11:49] <Burgundavia> Ratmann: the great thing about linux is that you won't need to reboot unless there is a kernel update
[11:49] <Ratmann> I mean nothing appeared
[11:49] <Ratmann> OHH
[11:49] <Ratmann> :)
[11:49] <topyli> Ratmann: ok, so you don't have all the repositories enabled
[11:49] <Ratmann> Rebooting can be annoying
[11:49] <Ratmann> lol
[11:50] <Ratmann> Oh yeah, i heard that CS:S is now running on Linux
[11:50] <Ratmann> lol
[11:50] <Flonne> Burgundavia, does Hoary's LiveCD have a default root password or is it set during configuartion?
[11:50] <Burgundavia> Ratmann: synaptic settings---> repos   add--> hoary --> click all four checkboxes
[11:50] <GnuKemist> I have to go now...  long drive home...
[11:50] <ren0> I think the only program I ever had to reboot for in linux is the Bastille hardening script.
[11:50] <Ratmann> I need to get CS:S, and Softimage|XSI to work on linux, then i'm changing all the way to it
[11:50] <Ratmann> :)
[11:50] <Burgundavia> Flonne: I would assume none, but I haven't tested and don't know
[11:51] <WeirdAl> the f***?
[11:51] <WeirdAl> Knoppix just suspended
[11:51] <Flonne> Bleh. I'll download it before posting.
[11:51] <WeirdAl> It even said "Suspending now."
[11:51] <WeirdAl> And then it did!
[11:51] <WeirdAl> Why? :-9
[11:51] <WeirdAl> :-(
[11:51] <ren0> This fine Australian wine sure makes Ubuntu more fun to work with.
[11:52] <Ratmann> Well downloading now
[11:52] <topyli> ren0: i don't remember. did we reboot after running bastille?
[11:52] <Ratmann> Gonna take about 3 or 4 hours
[11:52] <Ratmann> Or 2
[11:52] <Ratmann> :)
[11:52] <ren0> It tells you to at the end. topyli
[11:53] <ren0> Or it doesn't take effect. Its the only program I have ever seen that in linux.
[11:53] <WeirdAl> Hooray! A big big list of read errors.
[11:53] <topyli> ren0: might be, it's been a long time. it does change some stuff that won't take effect otherwise
[11:53] <hou5ton> WeirdAl:  in Firefox in Edit>>Preferences>>Downloads, there is a File Types window, but I do not see a way to add anything in that window
[11:54] <black_Nightmare> any of you know about symbios scsi cards? (dunno if thats Promise or not but it has a 'Promise' sticker label thou)
[11:54] <hou5ton> WeirdAl:  If i click the Plug-ins button, it lists two .... but neither one of them is RealPlayer
[11:54] <looksaus> I have a problem with docbook-xsl: it is old, even in hoary
[11:54] <ren0> I am now running SUSE inside qemu inside ubuntu.
[11:54] <Burgundavia> hey CarlK, what is the issue again?
[11:54] <looksaus> upstream contains lots of bug fixes
[11:54] <WeirdAl> Hmm ... it must be a system thing.
[11:54] <looksaus> should I file a bug?
[11:54] <Burgundavia> lookorez: is it main or universe?
[11:54] <WeirdAl> Anyone know how to change default applications for file types?
[11:54] <Burgundavia> WeirdAl: for firefox
[11:54] <Burgundavia> WeirdAl: is tricky
[11:54] <WeirdAl> If you do, tell houston not me :-)
[11:54] <looksaus> Burgundavia, main...
[11:55] <ren0> But I think I need to change the window manager from kde in SUSE to something lighter...fluxbox?
[11:55] <Burgundavia> looksaus: is it fixed in debian?
[11:55] <looksaus> let me have a look...
[11:55] <Burgundavia> hou5ton: you want to change an app that is set by default?
[11:55] <black_Nightmare> ren0 -- what you think of qemu yourself so far? (and what cpu too)
[11:55] <black_Nightmare> I've kept wondering about trying it (even if I have an older cpu here heh)
[11:55] <pirx> but mplayer isnt in universe?
[11:56] <CarlK> Burgundavia - right not the box says "Reading extended state information; Initilazing Package States... Done"
[11:56] <Burgundavia> pirx: mplayer has major legal problems. It is in debian marraillait
[11:56] <hou5ton> Burgundavia:   I have installed Real Player 10 Gold on Hoary, and it is working properly. I have also installed all kinds of codecs in Totem. However, when I click on a RealPlayer link in a web page, it won't even try to open RealPlayer, but opens Totem, and then gives me the following error: No URI Handler implemented for ...
[11:56] <CarlK> Burgundavia - it has been like that for over 4 hours
[11:56] <dockane> maybe i am too dump or the faq is : where do i find "File Browser: Internet File Menu -> Create Launcher" ??
[11:56] <looksaus> Burgundavia, nope, looks about the same as the Debian version
[11:56] <Burgundavia> CarlK: I would retry again
[11:56] <pirx> Burgundavia: oki, thanks for the help
[11:57] <Burgundavia> looksaus: then I would file a bug in the bugzilla
[11:57] <looksaus> ok
[11:57] <CarlK> Burgundavia - I have been installing on this box every day for the last week or so
[11:57] <Burgundavia> CarlK: have you tried a different cd?
[11:57] <Burgundavia> CarlK:  have you tried the live cd?
[11:57] <ren0> I have a Pentium 4. 512 Ram.
[11:57] <black_Nightmare> ughh..thats way advanced compared to me here lol
[11:58] <CarlK> Burgundavia - net install, md5sum checked, same setup installs fine to 3 other boxes
[11:58] <Burgundavia> On my 2500+ with 1gig I still see really slow qemu performance
[11:58] <Burgundavia> CarlK: hmm
[11:58] <black_Nightmare> hmm I guess its not worth it then
[11:58] <WeirdAl> OMG it's loaded the GUI
[11:58] <CarlK> Burgundavia - same image will get to a diferent place and "stall"
[11:58] <Burgundavia> black_Nightmare: what do you have?
[11:58] <WeirdAl> boosh
[11:58] <black_Nightmare> may as well as see if dosbox or something still can try load win95
[11:58] <Burgundavia> CarlK: sounds like harddrive to me
[11:59] <black_Nightmare> burgun... slot1 300Amhz [might upgrade..dunno..depends on pricing all the time so far] 
[11:59] <ren0> black_Nightmare, qemu is a bit sluggish but I will be using it mostly to muck around and practice for my LPI.
[11:59] <black_Nightmare> might consider a 1ghz soon -- not sure...no idea about budget lol
[11:59] <CarlK> Burgundavia - I have another drive I can stick in, but first is there anything to check on the current state of the box?
[11:59] <Burgundavia> CarlK: provided that you have tested the same cd on other machines. If you are comfortable with hardware, you migth want to try move the hdd to another box
[11:59] <Xappe> hmm, talking about dosbox. how can I get sound from dosbox, it's complaining about ALSA, and I've killed esd
[11:59] <ren0> So I don't have to use my main ubuntu. Plus you can learn Yast and rpms.