| haggai | elmo: you asked earlier about python-qt. Turns out it depends on sip4-qt3 packages < 4.2 (unstable has 4.1) yet a MOTU uploaded 4.2.1 | 12:02 |
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| === haggai pings herve about it - he uploaded the new version | ||
| haggai | elmo: 23:07 < crimsun> haggai: I'm on it already :) | 12:08 |
| motaboy | haggai: hi | 12:35 |
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| haggai | hi motaboy | 12:38 |
| motaboy | I wrote to you for the kdebluetooth package. I hope I have fixed the issues. | 12:38 |
| haggai | thanks, I just read over your mail quickly | 12:38 |
| motaboy | haggai: I have some doubts on the kbluepin | 12:39 |
| haggai | I managed to get the system to see my phone at least | 12:39 |
| motaboy | haggai: great. | 12:39 |
| motaboy | haggai: bluez-utils was definitely needed. | 12:39 |
| haggai | I could only make pairing work once I changed the pin helper setting to kbluepin | 12:40 |
| motaboy | haggai: have you tried kbtobexclient? | 12:40 |
| motaboy | haggai: I never received a bug report on it ;-) | 12:41 |
| haggai | motaboy: um not sure, I did get obex working I think | 12:41 |
| motaboy | haggai: maybe this is the first :P | 12:41 |
| haggai | heh | 12:41 |
| haggai | I couldn't get kitchensync synchronisation working | 12:41 |
| motaboy | haggai: aargh... | 12:41 |
| motaboy | haggai: yes. that thing needs a mantainer... my phone died... | 12:42 |
| haggai | ouch | 12:42 |
| motaboy | haggai: I think that more than one person is needed to mantain it | 12:43 |
| motaboy | haggai: as every phone behave differently for some aspects :( | 12:43 |
| haggai | motaboy: yes, I thought I saw another email address on the packages, did he step down? | 12:43 |
| motaboy | haggai: yes.:( | 12:43 |
| haggai | oh :( | 12:43 |
| motaboy | haggai: I have to kontact the kithcensync mantainer and ask if he wants to take a look at it. | 12:44 |
| motaboy | haggai: as there are some features of kitchensync undocumented and it has an irmc phone too. :D | 12:44 |
| allee | motaboy: where's the kdebluetooth deb? Are there changes worth commiting to keg-3 debian/ dir? | 12:50 |
| motaboy | allee: http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~motaboy/debian/ | 12:50 |
| allee | motaboy: thx | 12:50 |
| motaboy | allee: the debian dir in keg-3 is for debian and Fred (the other kdebluetooth dev mantains it). | 12:51 |
| motaboy | allee: I don't know if I can change it as debian don't have already kde 3.4 | 12:51 |
| motaboy | allee: and some features depends on it. | 12:51 |
| motaboy | allee: bubt you know better than am as you made them. :P | 12:53 |
| allee | motaboy: got me ;) | 12:53 |
| motaboy | s/bubt/but s/am/me | 12:53 |
| allee | I know debian/ needs quite some polishing :( | 12:53 |
| allee | btw kubuntu.org{,.uk} revolve to same IP address but no dev.kubuntu.org yet? | 12:56 |
| Riddell | allee: dev.kubuntu.org.uk is a completely different machine | 12:56 |
| allee | Riddell: right. but 'you' own both zones so no prob to define dev.kubuntu.org (I thought *.uk was temporary) | 12:58 |
| Riddell | allee: I don't own kubuntu.org, canonical do. I own kubuntu.org.uk which is why I've set dev.kubuntu.org.uk to point to my machine. cos then it makes me look cool | 12:59 |
| allee | Riddell: Hey! you are cool independently!!!! | 01:00 |
| Riddell | true, true | 01:01 |
| mdz | kubuntu install and live CDs being built now | 01:08 |
| mdz | release candidate candidates | 01:09 |
| mdz | are you folks available to test? | 01:09 |
| Riddell | mdz: ETA? I'm about but need to cycle off to find a CD burner | 01:10 |
| mdz | Riddell: ~15m for live, ~60m or so for install, I guess | 01:10 |
| allee | motaboy: FYI kdebluetooth-irmcsync_0.99+1.0beta1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb is not there (can't test it, so nothing urgetn ;)) | 01:10 |
| Riddell | "checking for libkcal/resourcecalendar.h... no" what the heck is wrong with kdesdk | 01:11 |
| motaboy | allee: thanks.uploaded. | 01:11 |
| Riddell | libkcal2-dev is there and contains libkcal/resourcecalendar.h | 01:11 |
| allee | motaboy: thx. downloading ... | 01:11 |
| mdz | Riddell: config.log? | 01:12 |
| elmo | Riddell: are you looking at ubuntu4 old logs? | 01:13 |
| Riddell | elmo: yes | 01:13 |
| elmo | 'cos the problem is libkcal2-dev not depending on kdepim but amu fixed that | 01:13 |
| elmo | don't then :p | 01:13 |
| elmo | (or read scrollback) | 01:13 |
| Riddell | ok so kdesdk was put back but new libkcal2-dev was not ready? I've uploaded kdesdk ubuntu5 so maybe it'll be fixed by the time that's compiled | 01:15 |
| elmo | don't worry, I'm tracking it, I'll make sure it gets compiled | 01:17 |
| elmo | kdesdk is the last out-of-date thing in main :-P | 01:17 |
| Riddell | cool | 01:18 |
| === Riddell cycles off in search of cd burner | ||
| allee | motaboy: any idea if it's easy to dlopen libxmms (like kopete does in 3.4) to get rid of xmms dependency? | 01:23 |
| motaboy | allee: I think it should be possible. | 01:23 |
| haggai | mdz: anything ready yet to download? | 01:24 |
| mdz | haggai: live CDs are up | 01:26 |
| mdz | install are building | 01:27 |
| Kamion | judging from the diff mail I got, it should be a whole lot smaller than the last one | 01:27 |
| motaboy | allee: I'm quite unhappy for the fact that in kdebluetooth we are only 2 developers... I was thinking that was too easy to find other people that liked to enjoy the project but probably this isn't true :( | 01:27 |
| allee | motaboy: maybe the stable release in the near future (?) will help | 01:29 |
| motaboy | allee: I hope :D | 01:29 |
| haggai | motaboy: shame you arrived so late, otherwise I would have liked to have included kdebluetooth in the kubuntu release | 01:30 |
| haggai | that might have got some more interest for you too | 01:30 |
| allee | motaboy: and a HW lap sending you lots of hardware to test sync would help too ;) | 01:31 |
| motaboy | allee: eheheheh :D | 01:31 |
| motaboy | haggai: sorry, I discovered kubuntu too late :( | 01:31 |
| haggai | motaboy: heh | 01:32 |
| allee | haggai: and I was busy with other debs :( | 01:32 |
| allee | motaboy: do you know of any plans for integration of dbus & co into kdebluetooth(d) | 01:33 |
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| elmo | ARGH | 01:36 |
| motaboy | allee: I think we have to wait how the dbus integration will be in all kde. For example there are already quite good dbus bindings for QT4 | 01:36 |
| elmo | amu didn't fix kdepim | 01:36 |
| elmo | Riddell/haggai/amu: someone please fix libkcal2-dev to really Depend: on kdepim-dev | 01:36 |
| motaboy | allee: If you are interested there was a discussion on kde-core-devel some months ago. | 01:37 |
| elmo | 0ubuntu6 claims to, but it's not in the Depends of the built package | 01:37 |
| amu | Package: libkcal2-dev | 01:38 |
| amu | Section: libdevel | 01:38 |
| amu | Depends: kdepim-dev | 01:39 |
| elmo | katie@jackass:~ $ dpkg -I pool/main/k/kdepim/libkcal2-dev_3.4.0-0ubuntu6_i386.deb | grep Depends | 01:39 |
| elmo | Depends: libkcal2a (= 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu6) | 01:39 |
| elmo | amu: dude, you added a 2nd Depends line | 01:40 |
| elmo | that doesn't work | 01:40 |
| allee | motaboy: qt4 is far far away :( | 01:40 |
| elmo | Depends: kdepim-dev (<< 4:3.3.90) | 01:41 |
| elmo | Architecture: any | 01:41 |
| elmo | Depends: libkcal2a (= ${Source-Version}) | 01:41 |
| elmo | those need to be merged | 01:41 |
| allee | motaboy: I thinking about better kbluepin works-out-of-the-box. | 01:41 |
| amu | elmo: i saw it now :/ | 01:41 |
| elmo | and err? | 01:41 |
| elmo | what's with the << ? | 01:41 |
| elmo | that won't work either | 01:42 |
| elmo | kdepim-dev | 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu6 | hoary | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc | 01:42 |
| allee | motaboy: Maybe a "case `runs-desktop $USER`; in kde) kbluepin; gnome) whatever; ...; esac" wrapper for hcid.conf pin program? | 01:43 |
| motaboy | allee: haggai suggest to use debian alternative systems and made kbluepin a separated package. I like this idea. | 01:44 |
| amu | Package: libkcal2-dev | 01:44 |
| amu | Section: libdevel | 01:44 |
| amu | Architecture: any | 01:44 |
| amu | Depends: libkcal2a (= ${Source-Version}), kdepim-dev | 01:44 |
| amu | Conflicts: kdepim-libs (<< 4:3.3.90) | 01:44 |
| amu | Replaces: kdepim-libs (<< 4:3.3.90) | 01:44 |
| elmo | looks good | 01:44 |
| allee | motaboy: fine for kubuntu but not for kubuntu/ubuntu mix usage | 01:45 |
| haggai | motaboy: allee's soln has the advantage it would pick the right pin program if you have both kde and gnome users on the same machine | 01:45 |
| amu | i also added the headerfiles from libkcal into libkcal2-dev | 01:45 |
| mdz | install CDs are up now too | 01:46 |
| mdz | Kamion: diff mail? | 01:46 |
| haggai | I'm only 30% into the live cd | 01:46 |
| motaboy | allee: haggai: true. :D | 01:47 |
| allee | haggai, motaboy: now add support for display :0, :1 etc via a active-desktop-is-on-display script and I'm happy ;) | 01:47 |
| Kamion | mdz: cdimage spams me with diffs of seed outputs between last and current CD image | 01:47 |
| Riddell | where can I rsync the live cd from? | 01:47 |
| mdz | Riddell: cdimage.ubuntu.com | 01:47 |
| Kamion | Riddell: cdimage.ubuntu.com::cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ | 01:47 |
| haggai | Riddell: rsync://mirnyy.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/current/hoary-live-i386.iso | 01:47 |
| Kamion | (he says from memory, check that) | 01:47 |
| Kamion | haggai: please don't rsync from named hosts, use the service names | 01:48 |
| haggai | Kamion: cdimage wasn't working | 01:48 |
| === elmo spanks haggai | ||
| mdz | Kamion: the i386 CD, at least, isn't particularly small. was it overflowing before? | 01:48 |
| elmo | haggai: dude, mirnyy is cdimage | 01:48 |
| elmo | has been for a long time | 01:48 |
| motaboy | allee: sorry for my ignorance, but are these 2 scripts already present in ubuntu? | 01:48 |
| mdz | 578M hoary-live-amd64.iso 614M hoary-live-powerpc.iso | 01:48 |
| mdz | 620M hoary-live-i386.iso | 01:48 |
| elmo | haggai: but like kamion says, use the aliases.. | 01:49 |
| Kamion | mdz: no; it dropped by about 11MB though | 01:49 |
| haggai | elmo: fine, I just used what you told me to when I was having problems | 01:49 |
| elmo | haggai: I was telling you the secret cabal URL - ur not meant to pass it on, silly | 01:49 |
| Kamion | mdz: I was just commenting based on the fact that libgtk2.0-0, libbonobo*, libgnome*, etc. aren't on Kubuntu CDs any more | 01:49 |
| allee | motaboy: not that I'm aware of. I've wrote once a hack for active-desktop-is-on-display | 01:49 |
| mdz | haggai: elmo will take away your decoder ring | 01:49 |
| mdz | Kamion: ah, yes | 01:49 |
| mdz | that was probably my fault for missing them in one of my merges | 01:50 |
| haggai | elmo: uh oh it gets hard to distinguish between undocumented-becuase-no-one-bothered and undocumented-part-of-the-cabal stuff ;) | 01:50 |
| mdz | python-gnome2 and such | 01:50 |
| motaboy | allee: ok. | 01:50 |
| allee | motaboy: Normally I clone debian system, so I tend to forget how it is to install from scratch (kubuntu reminded me now ;) | 01:50 |
| motaboy | :D Now I'd say good night to All! | 01:50 |
| motaboy | And goo kubuntu release. | 01:50 |
| motaboy | s/goo/good | 01:50 |
| haggai | night motaboy | 01:51 |
| allee | motaboy: nite! | 01:51 |
| allee | I better to the same. Night | 01:51 |
| haggai | night | 01:51 |
| Riddell | hmm, 3 hours to rsync livecd | 01:55 |
| Riddell | should I ask on #kubuntu for people to test the images? | 02:10 |
| haggai | yup | 02:11 |
| apokryphos | Live images? I'm pretty bored -- I'll test. | 02:13 |
| Riddell | apokryphos: looks like both live and install are there | 02:15 |
| haggai | ooh my live cd is downloaded | 02:16 |
| Riddell | that was fast | 02:16 |
| === amu test now the ppc | ||
| haggai | Riddell: I had rsynced todays' image so I had as much as possible that was the same | 02:17 |
| Riddell | sneaky :) | 02:19 |
| Riddell | rsync died | 02:29 |
| mdz | how is the testing going? | 02:29 |
| mdz | the Ubuntu candidate candidates look good | 02:30 |
| Riddell | rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [receiver] bah | 02:30 |
| === haggai is burning live cd | ||
| amu | mdz: booting ppc | 02:31 |
| mdz | I'll test some live CDs | 02:31 |
| Riddell | well rsync definatly doesn't want to work for me any more | 02:38 |
| === apokryphos is burning now | ||
| haggai | Riddell: I had that too, that's when elmo told me the secret url | 02:39 |
| mdz | live-amd64 looks mostly OK; no sound though | 02:39 |
| mdz | the CPU overload dialog didn't display at least | 02:39 |
| mdz | but I get no sound for the konsole bell, nor when I use artsplay | 02:40 |
| Riddell | haggai: secret URL not working either | 02:40 |
| mdz | Riddell: I believe that error means you have another rsync connection open from the same IP | 02:40 |
| Riddell | that'll be the rsync that died on me, any way to sort it? | 02:43 |
| elmo | kill it on your end | 02:44 |
| elmo | if you really can't find it (?), give me your IP and I'll kill it on mirnyy | 02:45 |
| elmo | unfortunately so many people abuse the open rsync policy, that limiting connections-per-ip is really necessary | 02:45 |
| haggai | my live-i386 cd has sound | 02:46 |
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| Riddell | elmo: can't find anything on my end, I'm connected from riddell.demon.co.uk 80.177.111.230 | 02:48 |
| === ubuntu is now known as amu- | ||
| Riddell | amu-: success? | 02:48 |
| amu- | yep | 02:49 |
| mdz | live-i386 and live-powerpc both look good | 02:49 |
| mdz | haggai: likewise | 02:49 |
| amu- | but found 3 things | 02:49 |
| mdz | the sound problem seems to be amd64-specific | 02:49 |
| mdz | sound worked fine in the same machine with the Ubuntu RCC | 02:49 |
| amu- | booted in german but got a english desktop | 02:49 |
| amu- | k3b | 02:50 |
| mdz | is kde-i18n-de installed? | 02:50 |
| amu- | Unable to find cdrdao executable | 02:50 |
| amu- | K3b uses cdrdao to actually write CDs. | 02:50 |
| amu- | Solution: Install the cdrdao package. | 02:50 |
| elmo | Riddell: can't see any live connections; and it looks like genuine timeouts rather than rsync kicking you out on this end | 02:50 |
| mdz | a bug has been open about k3b/cdrdao for ages | 02:50 |
| amu- | mdz: no, i18n isnt installed | 02:51 |
| mdz | wow, those packages are HUGE | 02:51 |
| mdz | we do not have space for many languages | 02:52 |
| Riddell | elmo: it's magically started working again, sorry for the bother | 02:52 |
| Riddell | mdz: which packages? | 02:52 |
| mdz | Riddell: kde-i18n-* | 02:52 |
| amu- | and last thing openoffice look very ugly :) | 02:52 |
| Riddell | I guess Kamion's kde-i18n insatllation stuff hasn't worked then | 02:53 |
| mdz | Kamion's stuff wouldn't affect the live CD | 02:54 |
| mdz | for the live CD, you'll need to change the live seed and choose which languages to preinstall | 02:54 |
| Kamion | right, base-config is install CD only | 02:54 |
| Riddell | ah, all is forgiven Kamion :) | 02:54 |
| amu- | sound / wlan / germany keymaps / X has the correct resolution works out of the box | 02:54 |
| Kamion | you don't want to wait for packages to be installed while booting a live CD | 02:54 |
| Riddell | X palette issues fixed themselves? | 02:55 |
| mdz | this being KDE, I suppose kde-i18n-de should be one of the high-priority languages :-) | 02:55 |
| mdz | amu-: oo.o looks no more ugly than other programs here | 02:55 |
| mdz | ah | 02:56 |
| amu- | Riddell: yes it's also solved | 02:56 |
| mdz | haggai: the CPU overload dialog came up after a long time | 02:56 |
| mdz | and now sound works | 02:56 |
| mdz | so it's the same old bug | 02:56 |
| mdz | is that bug in bugzilla, or should I report one? | 02:56 |
| apokryphos | LiveCD looks real nice; everything seems to be working well (didn't detect my connection again, but hey). :) | 02:56 |
| mdz | apokryphos: connection? | 02:57 |
| haggai | mdz: it's not in bugzilla and I can't reproduce it | 02:57 |
| mdz | haggai: you can't reproduce it on amd64? | 02:57 |
| haggai | mdz: is it maybe because I only have i386 perhaps? | 02:57 |
| amu- | mdz: CPU overload appear not on my sys | 02:57 |
| mdz | (that's the only place it happens for me) | 02:57 |
| mdz | amu-: amd64? | 02:57 |
| amu- | ppc | 02:57 |
| mdz | ... | 02:57 |
| apokryphos | mdz: Internet connection; all comps here are connected via router. | 02:57 |
| mdz | sound works fine for me on i386 and powerpc. on amd64, sound doesn't work until I get the CPU overload dialog | 02:58 |
| Riddell | mdz: searching on arts in bugzilla.ubuntu.com doesn't bring up anything | 02:58 |
| mdz | apokryphos: using DHCP on a wired network? ought to work | 02:58 |
| haggai | Riddell: what did you think of my proposal to move amarok to supported seed? | 02:58 |
| apokryphos | mdz: In the actual installation of Ubuntu it detects dhcp stuff just fine; on live CD seem to have no connection. Is there a command to reconfigure dhcp? Doesn't really matter so much, though. | 02:58 |
| Riddell | haggai: I'm unsure, on the one hand amarok is cool, popular and sexy and on the other hand I use Juk | 02:59 |
| haggai | Riddell: I don't think we should have 2 players installed by default. You say juk is easier to use so lets just stick with that | 03:00 |
| Riddell | haggai: but I guess supported is a nice middle ground for amarok so yes | 03:00 |
| mdz | apokryphos: that does matter; it's a bug if it isn't detected | 03:01 |
| mdz | apokryphos: do you have more than one network interface? | 03:01 |
| haggai | apokryphos: you can reconfig the network through settings->internet & network-> network connections (although as mdz says you shouldn't need to) | 03:01 |
| apokryphos | mdz: erm, nope. Pretty standard; wired network like you said. | 03:02 |
| haggai | horray install cd downloaded and burned | 03:03 |
| mdz | apokryphos: when it's starting up, do you see the DHCP progress bar, or not? | 03:03 |
| mdz | apokryphos: if you could send me a copy of /var/log/casper/syslog that would help | 03:03 |
| apokryphos | mdz: Didn't check at the time, would have to restart to check... I can if you like. In kcontrol I get "disabled ethernet network device" | 03:04 |
| amu | cool suspend & resume works also | 03:04 |
| mdz | apokryphos: if you're in the live CD right now, /var/log/casper/syslog is even better | 03:04 |
| Riddell | amu-: on ppc? | 03:04 |
| amu | Riddell: yep | 03:04 |
| Riddell | cool | 03:04 |
| Riddell | hmm well 1.5 hours to go with this live CD, doesn't seem like it's worth my while | 03:05 |
| Riddell | will havbe to rsync in advance next time | 03:05 |
| apokryphos | mdz: ok; will try to find a way to transfer it. | 03:05 |
| Riddell | is there an annoncement for the release candidate mdz? | 03:05 |
| Riddell | a draft one | 03:05 |
| Kamion | it's a good idea to try to stay up to date with the CD images, rsync-wise - it's easy to get behind and then you basically end up starting from scratch again | 03:06 |
| Kamion | day-to-day it isn't too bad | 03:06 |
| mdz | Riddell: I think mako wrote one | 03:07 |
| mdz | Riddell: yes, definitely a good idea to rsync the day before so that you can get the new stuff quickly | 03:08 |
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| haggai-livecd | konversation works on live cd | 03:09 |
| Riddell | haggai: a good sign :) | 03:09 |
| === Riddell sets up an rsync cronjob | ||
| Riddell | mdz: do you expect to announce it tonight? | 03:11 |
| mdz | Riddell: it's possible, but I expect we'll wait until tomorrow, especially if you guys need more time | 03:12 |
| apokryphos | Actually have no real way of transfering it from that computer (laptop with no floppy drive -- usb key nowhere to be seen). | 03:14 |
| apokryphos | In kcontrol when enabling the connection, it lights up green as though enabled, and within a second is deactivated | 03:14 |
| haggai | apokryphos: that's probably a knetworkconf problem | 03:14 |
| mdz | apokryphos: can you configure it from the command line with ifconfig or dhclient3? | 03:15 |
| apokryphos | mdz: Don't really know how ;-). Beena long time since I had ot use them | 03:16 |
| haggai | apokryphos: ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.x | 03:17 |
| haggai | apokryphos: route add default gw 192.168.your.gateway | 03:18 |
| mdz | "sudo dhclient3 eth0" should do the trick | 03:18 |
| haggai | oh right you were using dhcp | 03:18 |
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| apok | success! | 03:21 |
| mdz | apok: /var/log/casper/syslog please :-) | 03:21 |
| apok | sure; one sec. | 03:21 |
| apok | it's binary, right? .gz | 03:21 |
| apok | http://www.youmortals.com/stuff/ubuntu/syslog.gz | 03:23 |
| Kamion | Mar 30 00:42:57 dhclient: DHCPNAK from 10.0.0.2 | 03:24 |
| Kamion | looks like the server's refusing you a lease | 03:25 |
| Riddell | mdz: someone on #kubuntu just reported sound working fine on amd64 | 03:25 |
| === apokryphos forgot that .gz is emphatically not binary. :/ | ||
| mdz | Riddell: I've pinged mako regarding the release announcement; no answer yet | 03:27 |
| apokryphos | Kamion: what kind of reasons would there be for that? Router settings? | 03:28 |
| Kamion | apokryphos: no idea, TBH ... | 03:29 |
| amu | ex. no free lease left, your mac-adress changed or it's wrong defined | 03:30 |
| haggai | Kamion: if after rebooting you do not put the cd back in, it goes off and downloads everything off the internet. Why does it not ask for the cd first? | 03:32 |
| Kamion | haggai: what does it download? | 03:33 |
| haggai | Kamion: seemed to be kubuntu-desktop and deps | 03:33 |
| Kamion | and basically, Mark told me to do it that way :) | 03:34 |
| Kamion | erm, that's a bug | 03:34 |
| Kamion | did you do a server install? | 03:34 |
| haggai | no, plain install | 03:34 |
| haggai | hmm, but that was on an earlier cd that I noticed that | 03:34 |
| Riddell | haggai: doesn't it copy all the .debs to the hard disk during install? | 03:35 |
| haggai | yes I did see it copying debs this time around | 03:35 |
| haggai | and I didn't wait to see if it worked. I'll try another install once this one is done | 03:35 |
| haggai | I just wasn't sure what the behaviour was supposed to be | 03:36 |
| Kamion | haggai: depends on how old, really. Before 11 March, archive-copier didn't work properly for Kubuntu | 03:36 |
| haggai | it was 25 March | 03:36 |
| haggai | the image | 03:36 |
| Kamion | the intended behaviour is that it should not retrieve anything from the CD, and the only thing it should download from the net is language-support-*, and that only after asking you if it's allowed to | 03:37 |
| haggai | but maybe it didn't really download everything. I'll retry once I'm done | 03:37 |
| haggai | it didn't ask me if I was allowed to download, that's for sure | 03:37 |
| Kamion | it won't always | 03:37 |
| Kamion | that only happens for non-English installs (because language-support-en is on the CD) | 03:38 |
| haggai | k | 03:38 |
| haggai | hmm | 03:38 |
| haggai | Updating fontconfig cache... | 03:39 |
| haggai | Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file | 03:39 |
| haggai | ah #7649 | 03:39 |
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| haggai | hmm mounting my usb stick isn't working | 03:54 |
| haggai | uuh pmount isn't installed | 03:56 |
| Kamion | Ubuntu gets pmount due to gnome-volume-manager | 03:57 |
| haggai | I thought pmount had been added to the kubuntu seeds | 03:57 |
| Kamion | you want it, seed it :) | 03:57 |
| haggai | I can't only amu has the super powers | 03:57 |
| Kamion | nope ... | 03:57 |
| Kamion | you want me to do it? | 03:57 |
| Kamion | desktop? | 03:57 |
| haggai | yes please | 03:57 |
| Kamion | does anything in KDE know how to use pmount automatically? | 03:58 |
| Kamion | like g-v-m? | 03:58 |
| haggai | yes it does it automatically | 03:59 |
| haggai | media:/ knows about it | 03:59 |
| Kamion | but no dependency? | 03:59 |
| haggai | so I connect my usb stick, an icon pops up, I click on it and it is mounted | 03:59 |
| Kamion | ah, it's a recommends | 04:00 |
| haggai | ah | 04:00 |
| Kamion | haggai: done, seeds updated, germinate-output updating | 04:02 |
| haggai | Kamion: thanks | 04:02 |
| Kamion | d'oh, clashed with my own cron job | 04:03 |
| Kamion | that explains the weird-shit germinate errors | 04:03 |
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| Riddell | Kamion: it's a recommend not a dependency because it can fall back on fstab | 04:14 |
| Riddell | and if you depend on pmount you have to depend on hal which breaks buildds | 04:14 |
| Kamion | ok; you might want to make sure any only-recommended packages you know about are seeded | 04:15 |
| Kamion | I'm uploading kubuntu-meta now | 04:15 |
| Riddell | thanks | 04:15 |
| elmo | sssssssssssssssssssssst | 04:17 |
| elmo | Unpacking kdepim-dev (from .../kdepim-dev_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu7_amd64.deb) ... | 04:18 |
| elmo | dpkg: error processing /home/buildd/build-hoary/chroot-hoary/var/cache/apt/archives/kdepim-dev_4%3a3.4 | 04:18 |
| elmo | .0-0ubuntu7_amd64.deb (--unpack): | 04:18 |
| elmo | trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde3/libegroupwarewizard.la', which is also in package kdepim-wizards | 04:18 |
| elmo | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) | 04:18 |
| elmo | kdesdk is freaking CURSED | 04:18 |
| elmo | can somone please fix kdepim-dev's Replaces/Conflicts? | 04:18 |
| elmo | haggai/riddel/amu: ^--- | 04:18 |
| haggai | eek :( | 04:18 |
| Riddell | haggai: want me to do it or do you want it? | 04:21 |
| haggai | Riddell: how fit are you? I need some sleep | 04:22 |
| Riddell | haggai: I'll give it a shot | 04:22 |
| haggai | Riddell: ok thanks | 04:22 |
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| haggai | Riddell: the files are duplicated in kdepim-dev.install and kdepim-wizards.install | 04:26 |
| Riddell | yep, presumably should be in kdepim-wizards.install | 04:27 |
| haggai | yes I think so, and a kdepim-wizards Replaces: kdepim-dev (<< 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu8) | 04:28 |
| haggai | ok I'm off to bed goodnight all | 04:28 |
| mdz | night haggai | 04:29 |
| apokryphos | Freeze period now, eh? I guess Kynaptic is going to be default. :P | 04:58 |
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| Riddell | morning ttf_ | 05:10 |
| Riddell | kdepim uploaded (twice) | 06:11 |
| Riddell | amarok uploaded | 06:11 |
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| mdz | how is kdesdk doing? | 06:27 |
| lamont | dpkg: error processing /srv/royal.buildd/home/buildd/build-hoary/chroot-hoary/var/cache/apt/archives/kdepim-dev_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu7_powerpc.deb (--unpack): | 06:28 |
| lamont | trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde3/libegroupwarewizard.la', which is also in package kdepim-wizards | 06:28 |
| lamont | that's from the ppc kdesdk log | 06:28 |
| mdz | that's what Riddell uploaded kdepim to fix | 06:29 |
| mdz | Accepted kdepim 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu9 (source) | 06:30 |
| lamont | yeah - and that's either building, or needs build everywhere | 06:30 |
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| lamont | Riddell: cp -f /usr/share/libtool/libtool.m4 ./admin/libtool.m4.in | 07:05 |
| lamont | cp: cannot stat `/usr/share/libtool/libtool.m4': No such file or directory | 07:05 |
| lamont | amarok | 07:05 |
| lamont | (i386) | 07:05 |
| mdz | Riddell: what was the reason for resyncing amarok so close to the release? | 08:02 |
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| Beineri | Progress? :-) kdesdk_4:3.4.0-0ubuntu5_20050330-0708-powerpc-successful | 09:08 |
| lamont | haggai: you around? | 09:23 |
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| haggai | moin | 12:10 |
| haggai | lamont: back | 12:10 |
| Beineri | after what time does a failed build (kdesdk) try it again? | 12:37 |
| haggai | not sure, I think it might depend on the buildd load | 12:58 |
| haggai | best thing is to ask lamont to requeue | 12:59 |
| === haggai does that | ||
| haggai | thanks for noticing | 01:00 |
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| Beineri | ttf: why did you mess up KubuntuKDEStatus? | 02:01 |
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| Beineri | ttf: kdesdk is done (now, your nitpick change made it only correct for 30min) | 02:12 |
| Beineri | ttf: why did you change kdevelop3 to kdevelop? | 02:12 |
| Beineri | ttf: why did you readd "no crypto" to kdepim? | 02:12 |
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| Beineri | ttf: why did you readd "purge Gimp etc. from seeds"? | 02:13 |
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| elmo | Riddell: dude, your amarok upload FTBFS | 02:13 |
| Riddell | fooey | 02:19 |
| elmo | FWIW, I'm updating the chroot on novo and happy to install any build-dep etc. on there you need, if it helps | 02:24 |
| haggai | elmo: could you install screen? | 02:33 |
| ttf | Beineri: 1) I know that kdesdk is in the progress of being uploaded it was there as source, but not as a package 2) missing the 3 in kdevelop was a typo. just found out that I edited a cached wiki page - I didn't see the last changes, that's why I the "purge Gimp.." stuff has been put back. will set things proper again | 02:36 |
| elmo | haggai: installed in base | 02:37 |
| haggai | elmo: cheers | 02:37 |
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| lamont | haggai: amarok_2:1.2.3-1ubuntu1 and kdesdk_4:3.4.0-0ubuntu5 given back... | 03:29 |
| elmo | noooooooooooooooooooo | 03:31 |
| elmo | lamont: version of amarok is obsolete | 03:31 |
| elmo | and I gave kdesdk back already | 03:32 |
| lamont | how recenlyt on kdesdk? | 03:32 |
| elmo | 2-3 hours ago | 03:33 |
| elmo | that's less important, it'll just double build and reject | 03:33 |
| lamont | actually, if it's already uploaded, it'll just reject the mail | 03:33 |
| lamont | s/reject/error-out handling/ | 03:33 |
| lamont | I see no builds currently in progress, so should be OK | 03:33 |
| lamont | yeah - is installed everywhere, so I just generated some email was all | 03:34 |
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| mdz | do we have a kubuntu release candidate? | 06:21 |
| Riddell | mdz: everyone seemed happy with the ones from last night | 06:22 |
| haggai | yup, we have several known problems but nothing really serious | 06:22 |
| mdz | ok, great | 06:23 |
| === Riddell wonders if he has time to go out shopping before the release | ||
| Beineri | "kde" is missing dependencies on kdeaccessiblity, kdesdk and kdevelop3 | 06:31 |
| Beineri | and kdepim-doc-html gives an installation error | 06:32 |
| Riddell | haggai: can you list the known problems at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuReleaseCandidateKnownProblems | 06:34 |
| haggai | Riddell: I'd rather we had bug reports | 06:35 |
| haggai | Riddell: and there are bug reports open for the problems I am aware of | 06:35 |
| haggai | Riddell: or are you thinking of a user documentation thing? | 06:35 |
| Riddell | haggai: well it's kind of release notes for people to quickly check, might be an idea to link to the bugzilla reports there | 06:36 |
| haggai | oh, and what about translations? There are masses of kde-i18n updates in CVS KDE_3_4_BRANCH - not sure if we should take them | 06:36 |
| haggai | Riddell: ok I agree with you on that | 06:36 |
| Riddell | haggai: yes we should definatly patch kde-i18n against branch | 06:37 |
| haggai | Riddell: the patch is massive | 06:37 |
| Beineri | none known problems? :-) Me at least had still the lilac strips on blue background with today's live-cd | 06:37 |
| haggai | http://kubuntu.org/~halls/updates/ | 06:37 |
| haggai | http://kubuntu.org/~halls/updates/01_kde-i18n_branch_2005-03-29.diff.diffstat | 06:37 |
| Riddell | Beineri: well I havn't been able to try the CDs yet so none known to me :) | 06:38 |
| Riddell | I'll fill it out with links to bugzilla | 06:38 |
| haggai | Riddell: I generated patches and changelogs for each module at http://kubuntu.org/~halls/updates | 06:40 |
| Beineri | Riddell: right click K menu->"Menu Editor" still not works, OOo is missing icons and file dialog, ... | 06:40 |
| haggai | Beineri: I don't think I can do the icons. It needs a big reorganisation of the package - not even oo1/debian has it | 06:41 |
| Beineri | haggai: and KDE file dialog? | 06:41 |
| haggai | Beineri: depends on what the ubuntu release managers say - it is quite a big change to enable it by default since it tickles a lot of new code | 06:41 |
| Riddell | I wonder if there's a good reason kdeaccessiblity, kdesdk and kdevelop3 are missing from meta-kde, can't see any | 06:42 |
| Beineri | haggai: iirc SUSE copies/swaps the icon set around (via script?) when starting OOo under KDE | 06:42 |
| Riddell | pesky .dhelp on kdepim-doc-html there, really should get to the bottom of that | 06:42 |
| Beineri | Riddell: kde 3.2 had no kdeaccessibility, or? :-) | 06:43 |
| haggai | Beineri: I know but like I said it is a very intrusive change | 06:43 |
| Riddell | Beineri: yep, and looks like kdesdk was removed at some point when it happened not to build, and I guess kdevelop3 has never been added | 06:43 |
| Riddell | I'll add those now and do a quick fix on kdepim-doc-html | 06:44 |
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| Kamion | mdz: ok, so exactly which version is the Kubuntu preview? | 06:49 |
| Beineri | dumb question :-): once Hoary is released its seeds are frozen (for additions), or? | 06:49 |
| Kamion | this morning's daily build, or the manual one from last night? | 06:49 |
| Kamion | Beineri: frozen by definition | 06:49 |
| mdz | Kamion: the manual one; I didn't realize the daily build wasn't disabled | 06:50 |
| Beineri | So there is no way to add something to main/supported during hoary life-time? | 06:50 |
| Kamion | mdz: ok, so that's kubuntu/daily/20050330 and kubuntu/daily-live/20050330 | 06:50 |
| Kamion | Beineri: that's why we have more releases after hoary | 06:50 |
| Beineri | Kamion: daily-live/20050330.1/ is newer, or? | 06:51 |
| Beineri | and daily/20050330.1/ | 06:51 |
| mdz | Kamion: 9cf3c1252ddafd269c459c5759d07a7d hoary-live-amd64.iso | 06:51 |
| mdz | the one with that in it | 06:51 |
| === Beineri just asking because he would like to see KOffice as supported :-) | ||
| Kamion | Beineri: yes I know they're newer, see my question to mdz and mdz's answer | 06:52 |
| Kamion | Beineri: 20050330.1 is "this morning's daily build" | 06:53 |
| === Beineri successfully tried e3008ffe43b4fcbdbf20d3d074b8ce69 hoary-live-i386.iso today | ||
| mdz | Beineri: is that 20050330 or 20050330.1? | 06:56 |
| Beineri | that's 20050330/ - but I can test 30.1 very fast (rsync :-) | 06:57 |
| mdz | no, 20050330 is the one that the rest of us tested | 06:57 |
| mdz | so that's good | 06:57 |
| elmo | REJECT | 07:04 |
| elmo | Rejected: Unknown distribution `unstable'. | 07:04 |
| elmo | meta-kde.. someone | 07:05 |
| Riddell | oops, I havn't done that in a while | 07:05 |
| Beineri | Riddell: <nitpick> kvim recreated the Editor/ category in kmenu | 07:09 |
| === Riddell isntalls | ||
| Riddell | hmm, it's an evil old applnk .desktop file | 07:11 |
| Beineri | kvim is a dependency of vimpart kdeaddons kde | 07:12 |
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| Kamion | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hoary/rc/ | 07:44 |
| Riddell | http://kubuntu.org/hoary-release-candidate.php | 07:55 |
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| Riddell | amu_, haggai: that good for an announcement? | 08:06 |
| motaboy | Hi all! | 08:06 |
| haggai | Riddell: looks good | 08:07 |
| haggai | hey motaboy | 08:07 |
| motaboy | hi haggai | 08:07 |
| haggai | motaboy: I forgot to tell you, the bluetooth packages sometimes use kedit, which isn't installed on kubuntu | 08:08 |
| motaboy | haggai: you're right there are some easy template script for the device scanner that calls kedit | 08:10 |
| motaboy | haggai: I'll patch them to use kwrite or kate | 08:10 |
| Riddell | there should be some way to get it to just use the default program assigned to text files | 08:11 |
| === motaboy doesn't understand how haggai can find so many bugs in so less time :P | ||
| === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:mdz] : Preview Released | http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/ | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu | Hoary release candidate: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hoary/rc/ | ||
| mdz | would one of you like to do the honors on #kubuntu and kubuntu.org? | 08:28 |
| motaboy | Riddell: using kfmclient exec $FILENAME the default editor is used :D | 08:29 |
| motaboy | Riddell: or better the default program for that mime type | 08:29 |
| Riddell | mdz: is there a URL for the ubuntu release candidate announcement? | 08:31 |
| Riddell | motaboy: kfmclient exec seems sensible to me | 08:32 |
| mdz | Riddell: should appear at http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-March/thread.html any minute | 08:32 |
| === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : Release Candidate out | http://www.kubuntu.org/ | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu | Hoary release candidate: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hoary/rc/ | ||
| amu | Kamion: is it possible to change the kubuntu bootscreen from, This is the Ubuntu LiveCD to this is the Kubuntu LiveCD ? | 08:48 |
| Kamion | amu: yeah, should be possible, I've TODOed that for tomorrow | 08:50 |
| mdz | Riddell: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-March/000022.html | 08:54 |
| mdz | amu: just don't ask me to change "Starting Ubuntu..." | 08:54 |
| mdz | unless there is a trivial way to test whether we are booting from a kubuntu CD or an ubuntu CD | 08:54 |
| Kamion | or for that matter the branded strings in the installer | 08:55 |
| Kamion | some day we'll have to care about those, but I'm trying to put that day off as far as possible | 08:56 |
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| amu | mdz: hehe :) | 09:03 |
| Beineri | Riddell: http://kubuntu.org/ spells GNOME wrong and links to the preview CDs | 09:06 |
| Riddell | Beineri: CD link fixed thanks. I prefer the Minguel was of capitalising Gnome | 09:23 |
| Riddell | s/was/way/ | 09:23 |
| mdz | Riddell: are you going to do an announcement to the KDE news feed again? | 09:36 |
| mdz | the kubuntu RC torrents are fairly quiet so far ;-) | 09:36 |
| Beineri | Minguel? | 09:38 |
| Beineri | http://primates.ximian.com/~miguel/software.html#gnome ? He writes it GNOME. | 09:40 |
| Beineri | Riddell: appsy, fm? | 09:42 |
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| motaboy | Riddell: so is ok for you if I change it to a call to kfmclient exec ? | 10:24 |
| motaboy | Ehm another idea. I'd like to start packaging stuffs for koffice 1.4, as it would have quite new stuffs and finally a very good krita. Is there anyone other that is just doing this? | 10:35 |
| Riddell | mdz: I don't think it's worthy of a kde dot news story, I've sent it to kde-announce and updated kde-apps and freshmeat | 10:40 |
| mdz | Riddell: ok | 10:41 |
| mdz | Riddell: next week, then ;-) | 10:41 |
| Riddell | motaboy: if kfmclient works then yes :) | 10:41 |
| motaboy | Riddell: Ok, I think I'll fix this in kde cvs :) | 10:41 |
| Riddell | mdz: yep, next week | 10:41 |
| Riddell | motaboy: koffice 1.4 would be great, ask on Pkg-kde-talk if anyone from debian is working on it | 10:42 |
| motaboy | Riddell: sorry for the ignorance, what/where's Pkg-kde-talk? As developer I'm subscribed to kde-packager, is it the same? | 10:43 |
| Riddell | motaboy: it's the mailing list used by the debian packagers http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-kde-talk | 10:44 |
| motaboy | Riddell: oh thanks. | 10:45 |
| Riddell | April 22, 2005 KOffice 1.4 beta 1. Would be very cool if we could have packages by then | 10:47 |
| Riddell | Beineri: I can't find it just now but I'm sure I've seen a something (gnome foundation candidate proposal) where he says he wants to campaign on changing GNOME to Gnome | 10:48 |
| motaboy | Riddell: I'm updating it from CVS and begin packaging it. | 10:54 |
| motaboy | BTW I think that there's an important patch that should be applied to QT. It will fix that hated hangs in konqueror when you make a selection | 10:56 |
| motaboy | We applied it in gentoo some months ago without any problem. | 10:58 |
| motaboy | what do you think? Do you already talked about this issue? | 10:58 |
| Beineri | Nobody is reading the Ubuntu announcement till the paragraph which mentions Kubuntu ;-|... http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=10156 | 11:48 |
| motaboy | Night all! | 11:51 |
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