[12:02] <haggai> elmo: you asked earlier about python-qt.  Turns out it depends on sip4-qt3 packages < 4.2 (unstable has 4.1) yet a MOTU uploaded 4.2.1
[12:08] <haggai> elmo: 23:07 < crimsun> haggai: I'm on it already :)
[12:35] <motaboy> haggai: hi
[12:38] <haggai> hi motaboy
[12:38] <motaboy> I wrote to you for the kdebluetooth package. I hope I have fixed the issues.
[12:38] <haggai> thanks, I just read over your mail quickly
[12:39] <motaboy> haggai: I have some doubts on the kbluepin
[12:39] <haggai> I managed to get the system to see my phone at least
[12:39] <motaboy> haggai: great.
[12:39] <motaboy> haggai: bluez-utils was definitely needed.
[12:40] <haggai> I could only make pairing work once I changed the pin helper setting to kbluepin
[12:40] <motaboy> haggai: have you tried kbtobexclient?
[12:41] <motaboy> haggai: I never received a bug report on it ;-)
[12:41] <haggai> motaboy: um not sure, I did get obex working I think
[12:41] <motaboy> haggai: maybe this is the first :P
[12:41] <haggai> heh
[12:41] <haggai> I couldn't get kitchensync synchronisation working
[12:41] <motaboy> haggai: aargh...
[12:42] <motaboy> haggai: yes. that thing needs a mantainer... my phone died...
[12:42] <haggai> ouch
[12:43] <motaboy> haggai: I think that more than one person is needed to mantain it
[12:43] <motaboy> haggai: as every phone behave differently for some aspects :(
[12:43] <haggai> motaboy: yes, I thought I saw another email address on the packages, did he step down?
[12:43] <motaboy> haggai: yes.:(
[12:43] <haggai> oh :(
[12:44] <motaboy> haggai: I have to kontact the kithcensync mantainer and ask if he wants to take a look at it.
[12:44] <motaboy> haggai: as there are some features of kitchensync undocumented and it has an irmc phone too. :D
[12:50] <allee> motaboy: where's the kdebluetooth deb?  Are there changes worth commiting to keg-3 debian/ dir?
[12:50] <motaboy> allee: http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~motaboy/debian/
[12:50] <allee> motaboy: thx 
[12:51] <motaboy> allee: the debian dir in keg-3 is for debian and Fred (the other kdebluetooth dev mantains it).
[12:51] <motaboy> allee: I don't know if I can change it as debian don't have already kde 3.4
[12:51] <motaboy> allee: and some features depends on it.
[12:53] <motaboy> allee: bubt you know better than am as you made them. :P
[12:53] <allee> motaboy: got me ;)
[12:53] <motaboy> s/bubt/but s/am/me 
[12:53] <allee> I know debian/ needs quite some polishing :(
[12:56] <allee> btw  kubuntu.org{,.uk} revolve to same IP address but no dev.kubuntu.org yet?
[12:56] <Riddell> allee: dev.kubuntu.org.uk is a completely different machine
[12:58] <allee> Riddell: right. but 'you' own both zones so no prob to define dev.kubuntu.org (I thought *.uk was temporary)
[12:59] <Riddell> allee: I don't own kubuntu.org, canonical do.  I own kubuntu.org.uk which is why I've set dev.kubuntu.org.uk to point to my machine.  cos then it makes me look cool
[01:00] <allee> Riddell: Hey!  you are cool independently!!!!
[01:01] <Riddell> true, true
[01:08] <mdz> kubuntu install and live CDs being built now
[01:09] <mdz> release candidate candidates
[01:09] <mdz> are you folks available to test?
[01:10] <Riddell> mdz: ETA?  I'm about but need to cycle off to find a CD burner
[01:10] <mdz> Riddell: ~15m for live, ~60m or so for install, I guess
[01:10] <allee> motaboy: FYI kdebluetooth-irmcsync_0.99+1.0beta1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb is not there (can't test it, so nothing urgetn ;))
[01:11] <Riddell> "checking for libkcal/resourcecalendar.h... no"  what the heck is wrong with kdesdk
[01:11] <motaboy> allee: thanks.uploaded.
[01:11] <Riddell> libkcal2-dev is there and contains libkcal/resourcecalendar.h
[01:11] <allee> motaboy: thx.  downloading ...
[01:12] <mdz> Riddell: config.log?
[01:13] <elmo> Riddell: are you looking at ubuntu4 old logs?
[01:13] <Riddell> elmo: yes
[01:13] <elmo> 'cos the problem is libkcal2-dev not depending on kdepim but amu fixed that
[01:13] <elmo> don't then :p
[01:13] <elmo> (or read scrollback)
[01:15] <Riddell> ok so kdesdk was put back but new libkcal2-dev was not ready?  I've uploaded kdesdk ubuntu5 so maybe it'll be fixed by the time that's compiled
[01:17] <elmo> don't worry, I'm tracking it, I'll make sure it gets compiled
[01:17] <elmo> kdesdk is the last out-of-date thing in main :-P
[01:18] <Riddell> cool
[01:23] <allee> motaboy: any idea if it's easy to dlopen libxmms (like kopete does in 3.4) to get rid of xmms dependency?
[01:23] <motaboy> allee: I think it should be possible.
[01:24] <haggai> mdz: anything ready yet to download?
[01:26] <mdz> haggai: live CDs are up
[01:27] <mdz> install are building
[01:27] <Kamion> judging from the diff mail I got, it should be a whole lot smaller than the last one
[01:27] <motaboy> allee: I'm quite unhappy for the fact that in kdebluetooth we are only 2 developers... I was thinking that was too easy to find other people that liked to enjoy the project but probably this isn't true :(
[01:29] <allee> motaboy: maybe the stable release in the near future (?) will help
[01:29] <motaboy> allee: I hope :D
[01:30] <haggai> motaboy: shame you arrived so late, otherwise I would have liked to have included kdebluetooth in the kubuntu release
[01:30] <haggai> that might have got some more interest for you too
[01:31] <allee> motaboy: and a HW lap sending you lots of hardware to test sync would help too ;)
[01:31] <motaboy> allee: eheheheh :D
[01:31] <motaboy> haggai: sorry, I discovered kubuntu too late :(
[01:32] <haggai> motaboy: heh
[01:32] <allee> haggai: and I was busy with other debs :(
[01:33] <allee> motaboy: do you know of any plans for integration of  dbus & co into kdebluetooth(d)
[01:36] <elmo> ARGH
[01:36] <motaboy> allee: I think we have to wait how the dbus integration will be in all kde. For example there are already quite good dbus bindings for QT4
[01:36] <elmo> amu didn't fix kdepim
[01:36] <elmo> Riddell/haggai/amu: someone please fix libkcal2-dev to really Depend: on kdepim-dev
[01:37] <motaboy> allee: If you are interested there was a discussion on kde-core-devel some months ago.
[01:37] <elmo> 0ubuntu6 claims to, but it's not in the Depends of the built package
[01:38] <amu> Package: libkcal2-dev
[01:38] <amu> Section: libdevel
[01:39] <amu> Depends: kdepim-dev
[01:39] <elmo> katie@jackass:~ $ dpkg -I pool/main/k/kdepim/libkcal2-dev_3.4.0-0ubuntu6_i386.deb  | grep Depends
[01:39] <elmo>  Depends: libkcal2a (= 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu6)
[01:40] <elmo> amu: dude, you added a 2nd Depends line
[01:40] <elmo> that doesn't work
[01:40] <allee> motaboy: qt4 is far far away :(
[01:41] <elmo> Depends: kdepim-dev (<< 4:3.3.90)
[01:41] <elmo> Architecture: any
[01:41] <elmo> Depends: libkcal2a (= ${Source-Version})
[01:41] <elmo> those need to be merged
[01:41] <allee> motaboy: I thinking about better kbluepin  works-out-of-the-box.
[01:41] <amu> elmo: i saw it now :/
[01:41] <elmo> and err?
[01:41] <elmo> what's with the << ?
[01:42] <elmo> that won't work either
[01:42] <elmo> kdepim-dev | 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu6 |         hoary | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc
[01:43] <allee> motaboy:  Maybe a  "case `runs-desktop $USER`; in kde) kbluepin; gnome) whatever; ...; esac" wrapper for hcid.conf pin program?
[01:44] <motaboy> allee: haggai suggest to use debian alternative systems and made kbluepin a separated package. I like this idea.
[01:44] <amu> Package: libkcal2-dev
[01:44] <amu> Section: libdevel
[01:44] <amu> Architecture: any
[01:44] <amu> Depends: libkcal2a (= ${Source-Version}), kdepim-dev
[01:44] <amu> Conflicts: kdepim-libs (<< 4:3.3.90)
[01:44] <amu> Replaces: kdepim-libs (<< 4:3.3.90)
[01:44] <elmo> looks good
[01:45] <allee> motaboy: fine for kubuntu but not for kubuntu/ubuntu mix usage
[01:45] <haggai> motaboy: allee's soln has the advantage it would pick the right pin program if you have both kde and gnome users on the same machine
[01:45] <amu> i also added the headerfiles from libkcal into libkcal2-dev 
[01:46] <mdz> install CDs are up now too
[01:46] <mdz> Kamion: diff mail?
[01:46] <haggai> I'm only 30% into the live cd
[01:47] <motaboy> allee: haggai: true. :D
[01:47] <allee> haggai, motaboy:  now add support for display :0, :1 etc  via a active-desktop-is-on-display script and I'm happy ;)
[01:47] <Kamion> mdz: cdimage spams me with diffs of seed outputs between last and current CD image
[01:47] <Riddell> where can I rsync the live cd from?
[01:47] <mdz> Riddell: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[01:47] <Kamion> Riddell: cdimage.ubuntu.com::cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[01:47] <haggai> Riddell: rsync://mirnyy.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/current/hoary-live-i386.iso
[01:47] <Kamion> (he says from memory, check that)
[01:48] <Kamion> haggai: please don't rsync from named hosts, use the service names
[01:48] <haggai> Kamion: cdimage wasn't working
[01:48] <mdz> Kamion: the i386 CD, at least, isn't particularly small. was it overflowing before?
[01:48] <elmo> haggai: dude, mirnyy is cdimage
[01:48] <elmo> has been for a long time
[01:48] <motaboy> allee: sorry for my ignorance, but are these 2 scripts already present in ubuntu?
[01:48] <mdz> 578M hoary-live-amd64.iso  614M hoary-live-powerpc.iso
[01:48] <mdz> 620M hoary-live-i386.iso
[01:49] <elmo> haggai: but like kamion says, use the aliases.. 
[01:49] <Kamion> mdz: no; it dropped by about 11MB though
[01:49] <haggai> elmo: fine, I just used what you told me to when I was having problems
[01:49] <elmo> haggai: I was telling you the secret cabal URL - ur not meant to pass it on, silly
[01:49] <Kamion> mdz: I was just commenting based on the fact that libgtk2.0-0, libbonobo*, libgnome*, etc. aren't on Kubuntu CDs any more
[01:49] <allee> motaboy: not that I'm aware of.  I've wrote once a hack for active-desktop-is-on-display
[01:49] <mdz> haggai: elmo will take away your decoder ring
[01:49] <mdz> Kamion: ah, yes
[01:50] <mdz> that was probably my fault for missing them in one of my merges
[01:50] <haggai> elmo: uh oh it gets hard to distinguish between undocumented-becuase-no-one-bothered and undocumented-part-of-the-cabal stuff ;)
[01:50] <mdz> python-gnome2 and such
[01:50] <motaboy> allee: ok. 
[01:50] <allee> motaboy: Normally I clone debian system, so I tend to forget how it is to install from scratch (kubuntu reminded me now ;)
[01:50] <motaboy> :D Now I'd say good night to All!
[01:50] <motaboy> And goo kubuntu release.
[01:50] <motaboy> s/goo/good
[01:51] <haggai> night motaboy
[01:51] <allee> motaboy: nite!
[01:51] <allee> I better to the same.  Night
[01:51] <haggai> night
[01:55] <Riddell> hmm, 3 hours to rsync livecd
[02:10] <Riddell> should I ask on #kubuntu for people to test the images?
[02:11] <haggai> yup
[02:13] <apokryphos> Live images? I'm pretty bored -- I'll test.
[02:15] <Riddell> apokryphos: looks like both live and install are there
[02:16] <haggai> ooh my live cd is downloaded
[02:16] <Riddell> that was fast
[02:17] <haggai> Riddell: I had rsynced todays' image so I had as much as possible that was the same
[02:19] <Riddell> sneaky :)
[02:29] <Riddell> rsync died
[02:29] <mdz> how is the testing going?
[02:30] <mdz> the Ubuntu candidate candidates look good
[02:30] <Riddell> rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [receiver]   bah
[02:31] <amu> mdz: booting ppc 
[02:31] <mdz> I'll test some live CDs
[02:38] <Riddell> well rsync definatly doesn't want to work for me any more
[02:39] <haggai> Riddell: I had that too, that's when elmo told me the secret url
[02:39] <mdz> live-amd64 looks mostly OK; no sound though
[02:39] <mdz> the CPU overload dialog didn't display at least
[02:40] <mdz> but I get no sound for the konsole bell, nor when I use artsplay
[02:40] <Riddell> haggai: secret URL not working either
[02:40] <mdz> Riddell: I believe that error means you have another rsync connection open from the same IP
[02:43] <Riddell> that'll be the rsync that died on me, any way to sort it?
[02:44] <elmo> kill it on your end
[02:45] <elmo> if you really can't find it (?), give me your IP and I'll kill it on mirnyy
[02:45] <elmo> unfortunately so many people abuse the open rsync policy, that limiting connections-per-ip is really necessary
[02:46] <haggai> my live-i386 cd has sound
[02:48] <Riddell> elmo: can't find anything on my end, I'm connected from riddell.demon.co.uk 80.177.111.230
[02:48] <Riddell> amu-: success?
[02:49] <amu-> yep
[02:49] <mdz> live-i386 and live-powerpc both look good
[02:49] <mdz> haggai: likewise
[02:49] <amu-> but found 3 things 
[02:49] <mdz> the sound problem seems to be amd64-specific
[02:49] <mdz> sound worked fine in the same machine with the Ubuntu RCC
[02:49] <amu-> booted in german but got a english desktop 
[02:50] <amu-> k3b
[02:50] <mdz> is kde-i18n-de installed?
[02:50] <amu-> Unable to find cdrdao executable
[02:50] <amu-> K3b uses cdrdao to actually write CDs.
[02:50] <amu-> Solution: Install the cdrdao package.
[02:50] <elmo> Riddell: can't see any live connections; and it looks like genuine timeouts rather than rsync kicking you out on this end
[02:50] <mdz> a bug has been open about k3b/cdrdao for ages
[02:51] <amu-> mdz: no, i18n isnt installed
[02:51] <mdz> wow, those packages are HUGE
[02:52] <mdz> we do not have space for many languages
[02:52] <Riddell> elmo: it's magically started working again, sorry for the bother
[02:52] <Riddell> mdz: which packages?
[02:52] <mdz> Riddell: kde-i18n-*
[02:52] <amu-> and last thing openoffice look very ugly :) 
[02:53] <Riddell> I guess Kamion's kde-i18n insatllation stuff hasn't worked then
[02:54] <mdz> Kamion's stuff wouldn't affect the live CD
[02:54] <mdz> for the live CD, you'll need to change the live seed and choose which languages to preinstall
[02:54] <Kamion> right, base-config is install CD only
[02:54] <Riddell> ah, all is forgiven Kamion  :)
[02:54] <amu-> sound / wlan / germany keymaps / X has the correct resolution works out of the box 
[02:54] <Kamion> you don't want to wait for packages to be installed while booting a live CD
[02:55] <Riddell> X palette issues fixed themselves?
[02:55] <mdz> this being KDE, I suppose kde-i18n-de should be one of the high-priority languages :-)
[02:55] <mdz> amu-: oo.o looks no more ugly than other programs here
[02:56] <mdz> ah
[02:56] <amu-> Riddell: yes it's also solved 
[02:56] <mdz> haggai: the CPU overload dialog came up after a long time
[02:56] <mdz> and now sound works
[02:56] <mdz> so it's the same old bug
[02:56] <mdz> is that bug in bugzilla, or should I report one?
[02:56] <apokryphos> LiveCD looks real nice; everything seems to be working well (didn't detect my connection again, but hey). :)
[02:57] <mdz> apokryphos: connection?
[02:57] <haggai> mdz: it's not in bugzilla and I can't reproduce it
[02:57] <mdz> haggai: you can't reproduce it on amd64?
[02:57] <haggai> mdz: is it maybe because I only have i386 perhaps?
[02:57] <amu-> mdz: CPU overload appear not on my sys 
[02:57] <mdz> (that's the only place it happens for me)
[02:57] <mdz> amu-: amd64?
[02:57] <amu-> ppc
[02:57] <mdz> ...
[02:57] <apokryphos> mdz: Internet connection; all comps here are connected via router.
[02:58] <mdz> sound works fine for me on i386 and powerpc.  on amd64, sound doesn't work until I get the CPU overload dialog
[02:58] <Riddell> mdz: searching on arts in bugzilla.ubuntu.com doesn't bring up anything
[02:58] <mdz> apokryphos: using DHCP on a wired network?  ought to work
[02:58] <haggai> Riddell: what did you think of my proposal to move amarok to supported seed?
[02:58] <apokryphos> mdz: In the actual installation of Ubuntu it detects dhcp stuff just fine; on live CD seem to have no connection. Is there a command to reconfigure dhcp? Doesn't really matter so much, though.
[02:59] <Riddell> haggai: I'm unsure, on the one hand amarok is cool, popular and sexy and on the other hand I use Juk
[03:00] <haggai> Riddell: I don't think we should have 2 players installed by default.  You say juk is easier to use so lets just stick with that
[03:00] <Riddell> haggai: but I guess supported is a nice middle ground for amarok so yes
[03:01] <mdz> apokryphos: that does matter; it's a bug if it isn't detected
[03:01] <mdz> apokryphos: do you have more than one network interface?
[03:01] <haggai> apokryphos: you can reconfig the network through settings->internet & network-> network connections (although as mdz says you shouldn't need to)
[03:02] <apokryphos> mdz: erm, nope. Pretty standard; wired network like you said.
[03:03] <haggai> horray install cd downloaded and burned
[03:03] <mdz> apokryphos: when it's starting up, do you see the DHCP progress bar, or not?
[03:03] <mdz> apokryphos: if you could send me a copy of /var/log/casper/syslog that would help
[03:04] <apokryphos> mdz: Didn't check at the time, would have to restart to check... I can if you like. In kcontrol I get "disabled ethernet network device"
[03:04] <amu> cool suspend & resume works also
[03:04] <mdz> apokryphos: if you're in the live CD right now, /var/log/casper/syslog is even better
[03:04] <Riddell> amu-: on ppc?
[03:04] <amu> Riddell: yep
[03:04] <Riddell> cool
[03:05] <Riddell> hmm well 1.5 hours to go with this live CD, doesn't seem like it's worth my while
[03:05] <Riddell> will havbe to rsync in advance next time
[03:05] <apokryphos> mdz: ok; will try to find a way to transfer it. 
[03:05] <Riddell> is there an annoncement for the release candidate mdz?
[03:05] <Riddell> a draft one
[03:06] <Kamion> it's a good idea to try to stay up to date with the CD images, rsync-wise - it's easy to get behind and then you basically end up starting from scratch again
[03:06] <Kamion> day-to-day it isn't too bad
[03:07] <mdz> Riddell: I think mako wrote one
[03:08] <mdz> Riddell: yes, definitely a good idea to rsync the day before so that you can get the new stuff quickly
[03:09] <haggai-livecd> konversation works on live cd
[03:09] <Riddell> haggai: a good sign :)
[03:11] <Riddell> mdz: do you expect to announce it tonight?
[03:12] <mdz> Riddell: it's possible, but I expect we'll wait until tomorrow, especially if you guys need more time
[03:14] <apokryphos> Actually have no real way of transfering it from that computer (laptop with no floppy drive -- usb key nowhere to be seen).
[03:14] <apokryphos>  In kcontrol when enabling the connection, it lights up green as though enabled, and within a second is deactivated
[03:14] <haggai> apokryphos: that's probably a knetworkconf problem
[03:15] <mdz> apokryphos: can you configure it from the command line with ifconfig or dhclient3?
[03:16] <apokryphos> mdz: Don't really know how ;-). Beena long time since I had ot use them
[03:17] <haggai> apokryphos: ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.x
[03:18] <haggai> apokryphos: route add default gw 192.168.your.gateway
[03:18] <mdz> "sudo dhclient3 eth0" should do the trick
[03:18] <haggai> oh right you were using dhcp
[03:21] <apok> success!
[03:21] <mdz> apok: /var/log/casper/syslog please :-)
[03:21] <apok> sure; one sec.
[03:21] <apok> it's binary, right? .gz
[03:23] <apok> http://www.youmortals.com/stuff/ubuntu/syslog.gz
[03:24] <Kamion> Mar 30 00:42:57 dhclient: DHCPNAK from 10.0.0.2
[03:25] <Kamion> looks like the server's refusing you a lease
[03:25] <Riddell> mdz: someone on #kubuntu just reported sound working fine on amd64
[03:27] <mdz> Riddell: I've pinged mako regarding the release announcement; no answer yet
[03:28] <apokryphos> Kamion: what kind of reasons would there be for that? Router settings?
[03:29] <Kamion> apokryphos: no idea, TBH ...
[03:30] <amu> ex. no free lease left, your mac-adress changed or it's wrong defined
[03:32] <haggai> Kamion: if after rebooting you do not put the cd back in, it goes off and downloads everything off the internet.  Why does it not ask for the cd first?
[03:33] <Kamion> haggai: what does it download?
[03:33] <haggai> Kamion: seemed to be kubuntu-desktop and deps
[03:34] <Kamion> and basically, Mark told me to do it that way :)
[03:34] <Kamion> erm, that's a bug
[03:34] <Kamion> did you do a server install?
[03:34] <haggai> no, plain install
[03:34] <haggai> hmm, but that was on an earlier cd that I noticed that
[03:35] <Riddell> haggai: doesn't it copy all the .debs to the hard disk during install?
[03:35] <haggai> yes I did see it copying debs this time around
[03:35] <haggai> and I didn't wait to see if it worked.  I'll try another install once this one is done
[03:36] <haggai> I just wasn't sure what the behaviour was supposed to be
[03:36] <Kamion> haggai: depends on how old, really. Before 11 March, archive-copier didn't work properly for Kubuntu
[03:36] <haggai> it was 25 March
[03:36] <haggai> the image
[03:37] <Kamion> the intended behaviour is that it should not retrieve anything from the CD, and the only thing it should download from the net is language-support-*, and that only after asking you if it's allowed to
[03:37] <haggai> but maybe it didn't really download everything.  I'll retry once I'm done
[03:37] <haggai> it didn't ask me if I was allowed to download, that's for sure
[03:37] <Kamion> it won't always
[03:38] <Kamion> that only happens for non-English installs (because language-support-en is on the CD)
[03:38] <haggai> k
[03:38] <haggai> hmm
[03:39] <haggai> Updating fontconfig cache...
[03:39] <haggai> Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file
[03:39] <haggai> ah #7649
[03:54] <haggai> hmm mounting my usb stick isn't working
[03:56] <haggai> uuh pmount isn't installed
[03:57] <Kamion> Ubuntu gets pmount due to gnome-volume-manager
[03:57] <haggai> I thought pmount had been added to the kubuntu seeds
[03:57] <Kamion> you want it, seed it :)
[03:57] <haggai> I can't only amu has the super powers
[03:57] <Kamion> nope ...
[03:57] <Kamion> you want me to do it?
[03:57] <Kamion> desktop?
[03:57] <haggai> yes please
[03:58] <Kamion> does anything in KDE know how to use pmount automatically?
[03:58] <Kamion> like g-v-m?
[03:59] <haggai> yes it does it automatically
[03:59] <haggai> media:/ knows about it
[03:59] <Kamion> but no dependency?
[03:59] <haggai> so I connect my usb stick, an icon pops up, I click on it and it is mounted
[04:00] <Kamion> ah, it's a recommends
[04:00] <haggai> ah
[04:02] <Kamion> haggai: done, seeds updated, germinate-output updating
[04:02] <haggai> Kamion: thanks
[04:03] <Kamion> d'oh, clashed with my own cron job
[04:03] <Kamion> that explains the weird-shit germinate errors
[04:14] <Riddell> Kamion: it's a recommend not a dependency because it can fall back on fstab
[04:14] <Riddell> and if you depend on pmount you have to depend on hal which breaks buildds
[04:15] <Kamion> ok; you might want to make sure any only-recommended packages you know about are seeded
[04:15] <Kamion> I'm uploading kubuntu-meta now
[04:15] <Riddell> thanks
[04:17] <elmo> sssssssssssssssssssssst
[04:18] <elmo> Unpacking kdepim-dev (from .../kdepim-dev_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu7_amd64.deb) ...
[04:18] <elmo> dpkg: error processing /home/buildd/build-hoary/chroot-hoary/var/cache/apt/archives/kdepim-dev_4%3a3.4
[04:18] <elmo> .0-0ubuntu7_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[04:18] <elmo>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde3/libegroupwarewizard.la', which is also in package kdepim-wizards
[04:18] <elmo> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[04:18] <elmo> kdesdk is freaking CURSED
[04:18] <elmo> can somone please fix kdepim-dev's Replaces/Conflicts?
[04:18] <elmo> haggai/riddel/amu: ^---
[04:18] <haggai> eek :(
[04:21] <Riddell> haggai: want me to do it or do you want it?
[04:22] <haggai> Riddell: how fit are you?  I need some sleep
[04:22] <Riddell> haggai: I'll give it a shot
[04:22] <haggai> Riddell: ok thanks
[04:26] <haggai> Riddell: the files are duplicated in kdepim-dev.install and kdepim-wizards.install
[04:27] <Riddell> yep, presumably should be in kdepim-wizards.install
[04:28] <haggai> yes I think so, and a kdepim-wizards Replaces: kdepim-dev (<< 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu8)
[04:28] <haggai> ok I'm off to bed goodnight all
[04:29] <mdz> night haggai
[04:58] <apokryphos> Freeze period now, eh? I guess Kynaptic is going to be default. :P
[05:10] <Riddell> morning ttf_ 
[06:11] <Riddell> kdepim uploaded (twice)
[06:11] <Riddell> amarok uploaded
[06:27] <mdz> how is kdesdk doing?
[06:28] <lamont> dpkg: error processing /srv/royal.buildd/home/buildd/build-hoary/chroot-hoary/var/cache/apt/archives/kdepim-dev_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu7_powerpc.deb (--unpack):
[06:28] <lamont>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde3/libegroupwarewizard.la', which is also in package kdepim-wizards
[06:28] <lamont> that's from the ppc kdesdk log
[06:29] <mdz> that's what Riddell uploaded kdepim to fix
[06:30] <mdz> Accepted kdepim 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu9 (source)
[06:30] <lamont> yeah - and that's either building, or needs build everywhere
[07:05] <lamont> Riddell: cp -f /usr/share/libtool/libtool.m4 ./admin/libtool.m4.in
[07:05] <lamont> cp: cannot stat `/usr/share/libtool/libtool.m4': No such file or directory
[07:05] <lamont> amarok
[07:05] <lamont> (i386)
[08:02] <mdz> Riddell: what was the reason for resyncing amarok so close to the release?
[09:08] <Beineri> Progress? :-)  kdesdk_4:3.4.0-0ubuntu5_20050330-0708-powerpc-successful
[09:23] <lamont> haggai: you around?
[12:10] <haggai> moin
[12:10] <haggai> lamont: back
[12:37] <Beineri> after what time does a failed build (kdesdk) try it again?
[12:58] <haggai> not sure, I think it might depend on the buildd load
[12:59] <haggai> best thing is to ask lamont to requeue
[01:00] <haggai> thanks for noticing
[02:01] <Beineri> ttf: why did you mess up KubuntuKDEStatus?
[02:12] <Beineri> ttf: kdesdk is done (now, your nitpick change made it only correct for 30min)
[02:12] <Beineri> ttf: why did you change kdevelop3 to kdevelop?
[02:12] <Beineri> ttf: why did you readd "no crypto" to kdepim?
[02:13] <Beineri> ttf: why did you readd "purge Gimp etc. from seeds"?
[02:13] <elmo> Riddell: dude, your amarok upload FTBFS
[02:19] <Riddell> fooey
[02:24] <elmo> FWIW, I'm updating the chroot on novo and happy to install any build-dep etc. on there you need, if it helps
[02:33] <haggai> elmo: could you install screen?
[02:36] <ttf> Beineri: 1) I know that kdesdk is in the progress of being uploaded it was there as source, but not as a package 2) missing the 3 in kdevelop was a typo. just found out that I edited a cached wiki page - I didn't see the last changes, that's why I the "purge Gimp.." stuff has been put back.  will set things proper again
[02:37] <elmo> haggai: installed in base
[02:37] <haggai> elmo: cheers
[03:29] <lamont> haggai: amarok_2:1.2.3-1ubuntu1 and kdesdk_4:3.4.0-0ubuntu5 given back...
[03:31] <elmo> noooooooooooooooooooo
[03:31] <elmo> lamont: version of amarok is obsolete
[03:32] <elmo> and I gave kdesdk back already
[03:32] <lamont> how recenlyt on kdesdk?
[03:33] <elmo> 2-3 hours ago
[03:33] <elmo> that's less important, it'll just double build and reject
[03:33] <lamont> actually, if it's already uploaded, it'll just reject the mail
[03:33] <lamont> s/reject/error-out handling/
[03:33] <lamont> I see no builds currently in progress, so should be OK
[03:34] <lamont> yeah - is installed everywhere, so I just generated some email was all
[06:21] <mdz> do we have a kubuntu release candidate?
[06:22] <Riddell> mdz: everyone seemed happy with the ones from last night
[06:22] <haggai> yup, we have several known problems but nothing really serious
[06:23] <mdz> ok, great
[06:31] <Beineri> "kde" is missing dependencies on kdeaccessiblity, kdesdk and kdevelop3
[06:32] <Beineri> and kdepim-doc-html gives an installation error
[06:34] <Riddell> haggai: can you list the known problems at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuReleaseCandidateKnownProblems
[06:35] <haggai> Riddell: I'd rather we had bug reports
[06:35] <haggai> Riddell: and there are bug reports open for the problems I am aware of
[06:35] <haggai> Riddell: or are you thinking of a user documentation thing?
[06:36] <Riddell> haggai: well it's kind of release notes for people to quickly check, might be an idea to link to the bugzilla reports there
[06:36] <haggai> oh, and what about translations?  There are masses of kde-i18n updates in CVS KDE_3_4_BRANCH - not sure if we should take them
[06:36] <haggai> Riddell: ok I agree with you on that
[06:37] <Riddell> haggai: yes we should definatly patch kde-i18n against branch
[06:37] <haggai> Riddell: the patch is massive
[06:37] <Beineri> none known problems? :-)  Me at least had still the lilac strips on blue background with today's live-cd
[06:37] <haggai> http://kubuntu.org/~halls/updates/
[06:37] <haggai> http://kubuntu.org/~halls/updates/01_kde-i18n_branch_2005-03-29.diff.diffstat
[06:38] <Riddell> Beineri: well I havn't been able to try the CDs yet so none known to me :)
[06:38] <Riddell> I'll fill it out with links to bugzilla
[06:40] <haggai> Riddell: I generated patches and changelogs for each module at http://kubuntu.org/~halls/updates
[06:40] <Beineri> Riddell: right click K menu->"Menu Editor" still not works, OOo is missing icons and file dialog, ...
[06:41] <haggai> Beineri: I don't think I can do the icons.  It needs a big reorganisation of the package - not even oo1/debian has it
[06:41] <Beineri> haggai: and KDE file dialog?
[06:41] <haggai> Beineri: depends on what the ubuntu release managers say - it is quite a big change to enable it by default since it tickles a lot of new code
[06:42] <Riddell> I wonder if there's a good reason kdeaccessiblity, kdesdk and kdevelop3 are missing from meta-kde, can't see any
[06:42] <Beineri> haggai: iirc SUSE copies/swaps the icon set around (via script?) when starting OOo under KDE
[06:42] <Riddell> pesky .dhelp on kdepim-doc-html there, really should get to the bottom of that
[06:43] <Beineri> Riddell: kde 3.2 had no kdeaccessibility, or? :-)
[06:43] <haggai> Beineri: I know but like I said it is a very intrusive change
[06:43] <Riddell> Beineri: yep, and looks like kdesdk was removed at some point when it happened not to build, and I guess kdevelop3 has never been added
[06:44] <Riddell> I'll add those now and do a quick fix on kdepim-doc-html
[06:49] <Kamion> mdz: ok, so exactly which version is the Kubuntu preview?
[06:49] <Beineri> dumb question :-): once Hoary is released its seeds are frozen (for additions), or?
[06:49] <Kamion> this morning's daily build, or the manual one from last night?
[06:49] <Kamion> Beineri: frozen by definition
[06:50] <mdz> Kamion: the manual one; I didn't realize the daily build wasn't disabled
[06:50] <Beineri> So there is no way to add something to main/supported during hoary life-time?
[06:50] <Kamion> mdz: ok, so that's kubuntu/daily/20050330 and kubuntu/daily-live/20050330
[06:50] <Kamion> Beineri: that's why we have more releases after hoary
[06:51] <Beineri> Kamion: daily-live/20050330.1/ is newer, or?
[06:51] <Beineri> and daily/20050330.1/
[06:51] <mdz> Kamion: 9cf3c1252ddafd269c459c5759d07a7d  hoary-live-amd64.iso
[06:51] <mdz> the one with that in it
[06:52] <Kamion> Beineri: yes I know they're newer, see my question to mdz and mdz's answer
[06:53] <Kamion> Beineri: 20050330.1 is "this morning's daily build"
[06:56] <mdz> Beineri: is that 20050330 or 20050330.1?
[06:57] <Beineri> that's 20050330/   - but I can test 30.1 very fast (rsync :-)
[06:57] <mdz> no, 20050330 is the one that the rest of us tested
[06:57] <mdz> so that's good
[07:04] <elmo> REJECT
[07:04] <elmo> Rejected: Unknown distribution `unstable'.
[07:05] <elmo> meta-kde.. someone
[07:05] <Riddell> oops, I havn't done that in a while
[07:09] <Beineri> Riddell: <nitpick> kvim recreated the Editor/ category in kmenu
[07:11] <Riddell> hmm, it's an evil old applnk .desktop file
[07:12] <Beineri> kvim is a dependency of vimpart kdeaddons kde
[07:44] <Kamion> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hoary/rc/
[07:55] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-release-candidate.php
[08:06] <Riddell> amu_, haggai: that good for an announcement?
[08:06] <motaboy> Hi all!
[08:07] <haggai> Riddell: looks good
[08:07] <haggai> hey motaboy
[08:07] <motaboy> hi haggai 
[08:08] <haggai> motaboy: I forgot to tell you, the bluetooth packages sometimes use kedit, which isn't installed on kubuntu
[08:10] <motaboy> haggai: you're right there are some easy template script for the device scanner that calls kedit
[08:10] <motaboy> haggai: I'll patch them to use kwrite or kate
[08:11] <Riddell> there should be some way to get it to just use the default program assigned to text files
[08:28] <mdz> would one of you like to do the honors on #kubuntu and kubuntu.org?
[08:29] <motaboy> Riddell: using kfmclient exec $FILENAME the default editor is used :D
[08:29] <motaboy> Riddell: or better the default program for that mime type
[08:31] <Riddell> mdz: is there a URL for the ubuntu release candidate announcement?
[08:32] <Riddell> motaboy: kfmclient exec seems sensible to me
[08:32] <mdz> Riddell: should appear at http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-March/thread.html any minute
[08:48] <amu> Kamion: is it possible to change the kubuntu bootscreen from, This is the Ubuntu LiveCD to this is the Kubuntu LiveCD ?
[08:50] <Kamion> amu: yeah, should be possible, I've TODOed that for tomorrow
[08:54] <mdz> Riddell: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-March/000022.html
[08:54] <mdz> amu: just don't ask me to change "Starting Ubuntu..."
[08:54] <mdz> unless there is a trivial way to test whether we are booting from a kubuntu CD or an ubuntu CD
[08:55] <Kamion> or for that matter the branded strings in the installer
[08:56] <Kamion> some day we'll have to care about those, but I'm trying to put that day off as far as possible
[09:03] <amu> mdz: hehe :) 
[09:06] <Beineri> Riddell: http://kubuntu.org/ spells GNOME wrong and links to the preview CDs
[09:23] <Riddell> Beineri: CD link fixed thanks.  I prefer the Minguel was of capitalising Gnome
[09:23] <Riddell> s/was/way/
[09:36] <mdz> Riddell: are you going to do an announcement to the KDE news feed again?
[09:36] <mdz> the kubuntu RC torrents are fairly quiet so far ;-)
[09:38] <Beineri> Minguel?
[09:40] <Beineri> http://primates.ximian.com/~miguel/software.html#gnome ? He writes it GNOME.
[09:42] <Beineri> Riddell: appsy, fm?
[10:24] <motaboy> Riddell: so is ok for you if I change it to a call to kfmclient exec ?
[10:35] <motaboy> Ehm another idea. I'd like to start packaging stuffs for koffice 1.4, as it would have quite new stuffs and finally a very good krita. Is there anyone other that is just doing this?
[10:40] <Riddell> mdz: I don't think it's worthy of a kde dot news story, I've sent it to kde-announce and updated kde-apps and freshmeat
[10:41] <mdz> Riddell: ok
[10:41] <mdz> Riddell: next week, then ;-)
[10:41] <Riddell> motaboy: if kfmclient works then yes :)
[10:41] <motaboy> Riddell: Ok, I think I'll fix this in kde cvs :)
[10:41] <Riddell> mdz: yep, next week
[10:42] <Riddell> motaboy: koffice 1.4 would be great, ask on Pkg-kde-talk if anyone from debian is working on it
[10:43] <motaboy> Riddell: sorry for the ignorance, what/where's Pkg-kde-talk? As developer I'm subscribed to kde-packager, is it the same?
[10:44] <Riddell> motaboy: it's the mailing list used by the debian packagers http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-kde-talk
[10:45] <motaboy> Riddell: oh thanks. 
[10:47] <Riddell> April 22, 2005 KOffice 1.4 beta 1.  Would be very cool if we could have packages by then
[10:48] <Riddell> Beineri: I can't find it just now but I'm sure I've seen a something (gnome foundation candidate proposal) where he says he wants to campaign on changing GNOME to Gnome
[10:54] <motaboy> Riddell: I'm updating it from CVS and begin packaging it.
[10:56] <motaboy> BTW I think that there's an important patch that should be applied to QT. It will fix that hated hangs in konqueror when you make a selection
[10:58] <motaboy> We applied it in gentoo some months ago without any problem. 
[10:58] <motaboy> what do you think? Do you already talked about this issue?
[11:48] <Beineri> Nobody is reading the Ubuntu announcement till the paragraph which mentions Kubuntu ;-|... http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=10156
[11:51] <motaboy> Night all!