[12:02] elmo: you asked earlier about python-qt. Turns out it depends on sip4-qt3 packages < 4.2 (unstable has 4.1) yet a MOTU uploaded 4.2.1 === haggai pings herve about it - he uploaded the new version [12:08] elmo: 23:07 < crimsun> haggai: I'm on it already :) [12:35] haggai: hi === KabelKasper [~vloechte@i5387435A.versanet.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [12:38] hi motaboy [12:38] I wrote to you for the kdebluetooth package. I hope I have fixed the issues. [12:38] thanks, I just read over your mail quickly [12:39] haggai: I have some doubts on the kbluepin [12:39] I managed to get the system to see my phone at least [12:39] haggai: great. [12:39] haggai: bluez-utils was definitely needed. [12:40] I could only make pairing work once I changed the pin helper setting to kbluepin [12:40] haggai: have you tried kbtobexclient? [12:41] haggai: I never received a bug report on it ;-) [12:41] motaboy: um not sure, I did get obex working I think [12:41] haggai: maybe this is the first :P [12:41] heh [12:41] I couldn't get kitchensync synchronisation working [12:41] haggai: aargh... [12:42] haggai: yes. that thing needs a mantainer... my phone died... [12:42] ouch [12:43] haggai: I think that more than one person is needed to mantain it [12:43] haggai: as every phone behave differently for some aspects :( [12:43] motaboy: yes, I thought I saw another email address on the packages, did he step down? [12:43] haggai: yes.:( [12:43] oh :( [12:44] haggai: I have to kontact the kithcensync mantainer and ask if he wants to take a look at it. [12:44] haggai: as there are some features of kitchensync undocumented and it has an irmc phone too. :D [12:50] motaboy: where's the kdebluetooth deb? Are there changes worth commiting to keg-3 debian/ dir? [12:50] allee: http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~motaboy/debian/ [12:50] motaboy: thx [12:51] allee: the debian dir in keg-3 is for debian and Fred (the other kdebluetooth dev mantains it). [12:51] allee: I don't know if I can change it as debian don't have already kde 3.4 [12:51] allee: and some features depends on it. [12:53] allee: bubt you know better than am as you made them. :P [12:53] motaboy: got me ;) [12:53] s/bubt/but s/am/me [12:53] I know debian/ needs quite some polishing :( [12:56] btw kubuntu.org{,.uk} revolve to same IP address but no dev.kubuntu.org yet? [12:56] allee: dev.kubuntu.org.uk is a completely different machine [12:58] Riddell: right. but 'you' own both zones so no prob to define dev.kubuntu.org (I thought *.uk was temporary) [12:59] allee: I don't own kubuntu.org, canonical do. I own kubuntu.org.uk which is why I've set dev.kubuntu.org.uk to point to my machine. cos then it makes me look cool [01:00] Riddell: Hey! you are cool independently!!!! [01:01] true, true [01:08] kubuntu install and live CDs being built now [01:09] release candidate candidates [01:09] are you folks available to test? [01:10] mdz: ETA? I'm about but need to cycle off to find a CD burner [01:10] Riddell: ~15m for live, ~60m or so for install, I guess [01:10] motaboy: FYI kdebluetooth-irmcsync_0.99+1.0beta1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb is not there (can't test it, so nothing urgetn ;)) [01:11] "checking for libkcal/resourcecalendar.h... no" what the heck is wrong with kdesdk [01:11] allee: thanks.uploaded. [01:11] libkcal2-dev is there and contains libkcal/resourcecalendar.h [01:11] motaboy: thx. downloading ... [01:12] Riddell: config.log? [01:13] Riddell: are you looking at ubuntu4 old logs? [01:13] elmo: yes [01:13] 'cos the problem is libkcal2-dev not depending on kdepim but amu fixed that [01:13] don't then :p [01:13] (or read scrollback) [01:15] ok so kdesdk was put back but new libkcal2-dev was not ready? I've uploaded kdesdk ubuntu5 so maybe it'll be fixed by the time that's compiled [01:17] don't worry, I'm tracking it, I'll make sure it gets compiled [01:17] kdesdk is the last out-of-date thing in main :-P [01:18] cool === Riddell cycles off in search of cd burner [01:23] motaboy: any idea if it's easy to dlopen libxmms (like kopete does in 3.4) to get rid of xmms dependency? [01:23] allee: I think it should be possible. [01:24] mdz: anything ready yet to download? [01:26] haggai: live CDs are up [01:27] install are building [01:27] judging from the diff mail I got, it should be a whole lot smaller than the last one [01:27] allee: I'm quite unhappy for the fact that in kdebluetooth we are only 2 developers... I was thinking that was too easy to find other people that liked to enjoy the project but probably this isn't true :( [01:29] motaboy: maybe the stable release in the near future (?) will help [01:29] allee: I hope :D [01:30] motaboy: shame you arrived so late, otherwise I would have liked to have included kdebluetooth in the kubuntu release [01:30] that might have got some more interest for you too [01:31] motaboy: and a HW lap sending you lots of hardware to test sync would help too ;) [01:31] allee: eheheheh :D [01:31] haggai: sorry, I discovered kubuntu too late :( [01:32] motaboy: heh [01:32] haggai: and I was busy with other debs :( [01:33] motaboy: do you know of any plans for integration of dbus & co into kdebluetooth(d) === allee puts 'pester fred' on todo === LeeJunFan [junfan@64-186-37-120.skycon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:36] ARGH [01:36] allee: I think we have to wait how the dbus integration will be in all kde. For example there are already quite good dbus bindings for QT4 [01:36] amu didn't fix kdepim [01:36] Riddell/haggai/amu: someone please fix libkcal2-dev to really Depend: on kdepim-dev [01:37] allee: If you are interested there was a discussion on kde-core-devel some months ago. [01:37] 0ubuntu6 claims to, but it's not in the Depends of the built package [01:38] Package: libkcal2-dev [01:38] Section: libdevel [01:39] Depends: kdepim-dev [01:39] katie@jackass:~ $ dpkg -I pool/main/k/kdepim/libkcal2-dev_3.4.0-0ubuntu6_i386.deb | grep Depends [01:39] Depends: libkcal2a (= 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu6) [01:40] amu: dude, you added a 2nd Depends line [01:40] that doesn't work [01:40] motaboy: qt4 is far far away :( [01:41] Depends: kdepim-dev (<< 4:3.3.90) [01:41] Architecture: any [01:41] Depends: libkcal2a (= ${Source-Version}) [01:41] those need to be merged [01:41] motaboy: I thinking about better kbluepin works-out-of-the-box. [01:41] elmo: i saw it now :/ [01:41] and err? [01:41] what's with the << ? [01:42] that won't work either [01:42] kdepim-dev | 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu6 | hoary | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc [01:43] motaboy: Maybe a "case `runs-desktop $USER`; in kde) kbluepin; gnome) whatever; ...; esac" wrapper for hcid.conf pin program? [01:44] allee: haggai suggest to use debian alternative systems and made kbluepin a separated package. I like this idea. [01:44] Package: libkcal2-dev [01:44] Section: libdevel [01:44] Architecture: any [01:44] Depends: libkcal2a (= ${Source-Version}), kdepim-dev [01:44] Conflicts: kdepim-libs (<< 4:3.3.90) [01:44] Replaces: kdepim-libs (<< 4:3.3.90) [01:44] looks good [01:45] motaboy: fine for kubuntu but not for kubuntu/ubuntu mix usage [01:45] motaboy: allee's soln has the advantage it would pick the right pin program if you have both kde and gnome users on the same machine [01:45] i also added the headerfiles from libkcal into libkcal2-dev [01:46] install CDs are up now too [01:46] Kamion: diff mail? [01:46] I'm only 30% into the live cd [01:47] allee: haggai: true. :D [01:47] haggai, motaboy: now add support for display :0, :1 etc via a active-desktop-is-on-display script and I'm happy ;) [01:47] mdz: cdimage spams me with diffs of seed outputs between last and current CD image [01:47] where can I rsync the live cd from? [01:47] Riddell: cdimage.ubuntu.com [01:47] Riddell: cdimage.ubuntu.com::cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ [01:47] Riddell: rsync://mirnyy.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/current/hoary-live-i386.iso [01:47] (he says from memory, check that) [01:48] haggai: please don't rsync from named hosts, use the service names [01:48] Kamion: cdimage wasn't working === elmo spanks haggai [01:48] Kamion: the i386 CD, at least, isn't particularly small. was it overflowing before? [01:48] haggai: dude, mirnyy is cdimage [01:48] has been for a long time [01:48] allee: sorry for my ignorance, but are these 2 scripts already present in ubuntu? [01:48] 578M hoary-live-amd64.iso 614M hoary-live-powerpc.iso [01:48] 620M hoary-live-i386.iso [01:49] haggai: but like kamion says, use the aliases.. [01:49] mdz: no; it dropped by about 11MB though [01:49] elmo: fine, I just used what you told me to when I was having problems [01:49] haggai: I was telling you the secret cabal URL - ur not meant to pass it on, silly [01:49] mdz: I was just commenting based on the fact that libgtk2.0-0, libbonobo*, libgnome*, etc. aren't on Kubuntu CDs any more [01:49] motaboy: not that I'm aware of. I've wrote once a hack for active-desktop-is-on-display [01:49] haggai: elmo will take away your decoder ring [01:49] Kamion: ah, yes [01:50] that was probably my fault for missing them in one of my merges [01:50] elmo: uh oh it gets hard to distinguish between undocumented-becuase-no-one-bothered and undocumented-part-of-the-cabal stuff ;) [01:50] python-gnome2 and such [01:50] allee: ok. [01:50] motaboy: Normally I clone debian system, so I tend to forget how it is to install from scratch (kubuntu reminded me now ;) [01:50] :D Now I'd say good night to All! [01:50] And goo kubuntu release. [01:50] s/goo/good [01:51] night motaboy [01:51] motaboy: nite! [01:51] I better to the same. Night [01:51] night [01:55] hmm, 3 hours to rsync livecd [02:10] should I ask on #kubuntu for people to test the images? [02:11] yup [02:13] Live images? I'm pretty bored -- I'll test. [02:15] apokryphos: looks like both live and install are there [02:16] ooh my live cd is downloaded [02:16] that was fast === amu test now the ppc [02:17] Riddell: I had rsynced todays' image so I had as much as possible that was the same [02:19] sneaky :) [02:29] rsync died [02:29] how is the testing going? [02:30] the Ubuntu candidate candidates look good [02:30] rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [receiver] bah === haggai is burning live cd [02:31] mdz: booting ppc [02:31] I'll test some live CDs [02:38] well rsync definatly doesn't want to work for me any more === apokryphos is burning now [02:39] Riddell: I had that too, that's when elmo told me the secret url [02:39] live-amd64 looks mostly OK; no sound though [02:39] the CPU overload dialog didn't display at least [02:40] but I get no sound for the konsole bell, nor when I use artsplay [02:40] haggai: secret URL not working either [02:40] Riddell: I believe that error means you have another rsync connection open from the same IP [02:43] that'll be the rsync that died on me, any way to sort it? [02:44] kill it on your end [02:45] if you really can't find it (?), give me your IP and I'll kill it on mirnyy [02:45] unfortunately so many people abuse the open rsync policy, that limiting connections-per-ip is really necessary [02:46] my live-i386 cd has sound === ubuntu [~ubuntu@195.227.106.200] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:48] elmo: can't find anything on my end, I'm connected from riddell.demon.co.uk 80.177.111.230 === ubuntu is now known as amu- [02:48] amu-: success? [02:49] yep [02:49] live-i386 and live-powerpc both look good [02:49] haggai: likewise [02:49] but found 3 things [02:49] the sound problem seems to be amd64-specific [02:49] sound worked fine in the same machine with the Ubuntu RCC [02:49] booted in german but got a english desktop [02:50] k3b [02:50] is kde-i18n-de installed? [02:50] Unable to find cdrdao executable [02:50] K3b uses cdrdao to actually write CDs. [02:50] Solution: Install the cdrdao package. [02:50] Riddell: can't see any live connections; and it looks like genuine timeouts rather than rsync kicking you out on this end [02:50] a bug has been open about k3b/cdrdao for ages [02:51] mdz: no, i18n isnt installed [02:51] wow, those packages are HUGE [02:52] we do not have space for many languages [02:52] elmo: it's magically started working again, sorry for the bother [02:52] mdz: which packages? [02:52] Riddell: kde-i18n-* [02:52] and last thing openoffice look very ugly :) [02:53] I guess Kamion's kde-i18n insatllation stuff hasn't worked then [02:54] Kamion's stuff wouldn't affect the live CD [02:54] for the live CD, you'll need to change the live seed and choose which languages to preinstall [02:54] right, base-config is install CD only [02:54] ah, all is forgiven Kamion :) [02:54] sound / wlan / germany keymaps / X has the correct resolution works out of the box [02:54] you don't want to wait for packages to be installed while booting a live CD [02:55] X palette issues fixed themselves? [02:55] this being KDE, I suppose kde-i18n-de should be one of the high-priority languages :-) [02:55] amu-: oo.o looks no more ugly than other programs here [02:56] ah [02:56] Riddell: yes it's also solved [02:56] haggai: the CPU overload dialog came up after a long time [02:56] and now sound works [02:56] so it's the same old bug [02:56] is that bug in bugzilla, or should I report one? [02:56] LiveCD looks real nice; everything seems to be working well (didn't detect my connection again, but hey). :) [02:57] apokryphos: connection? [02:57] mdz: it's not in bugzilla and I can't reproduce it [02:57] haggai: you can't reproduce it on amd64? [02:57] mdz: is it maybe because I only have i386 perhaps? [02:57] mdz: CPU overload appear not on my sys [02:57] (that's the only place it happens for me) [02:57] amu-: amd64? [02:57] ppc [02:57] ... [02:57] mdz: Internet connection; all comps here are connected via router. [02:58] sound works fine for me on i386 and powerpc. on amd64, sound doesn't work until I get the CPU overload dialog [02:58] mdz: searching on arts in bugzilla.ubuntu.com doesn't bring up anything [02:58] apokryphos: using DHCP on a wired network? ought to work [02:58] Riddell: what did you think of my proposal to move amarok to supported seed? [02:58] mdz: In the actual installation of Ubuntu it detects dhcp stuff just fine; on live CD seem to have no connection. Is there a command to reconfigure dhcp? Doesn't really matter so much, though. [02:59] haggai: I'm unsure, on the one hand amarok is cool, popular and sexy and on the other hand I use Juk [03:00] Riddell: I don't think we should have 2 players installed by default. You say juk is easier to use so lets just stick with that [03:00] haggai: but I guess supported is a nice middle ground for amarok so yes [03:01] apokryphos: that does matter; it's a bug if it isn't detected [03:01] apokryphos: do you have more than one network interface? [03:01] apokryphos: you can reconfig the network through settings->internet & network-> network connections (although as mdz says you shouldn't need to) [03:02] mdz: erm, nope. Pretty standard; wired network like you said. [03:03] horray install cd downloaded and burned [03:03] apokryphos: when it's starting up, do you see the DHCP progress bar, or not? [03:03] apokryphos: if you could send me a copy of /var/log/casper/syslog that would help [03:04] mdz: Didn't check at the time, would have to restart to check... I can if you like. In kcontrol I get "disabled ethernet network device" [03:04] cool suspend & resume works also [03:04] apokryphos: if you're in the live CD right now, /var/log/casper/syslog is even better [03:04] amu-: on ppc? [03:04] Riddell: yep [03:04] cool [03:05] hmm well 1.5 hours to go with this live CD, doesn't seem like it's worth my while [03:05] will havbe to rsync in advance next time [03:05] mdz: ok; will try to find a way to transfer it. [03:05] is there an annoncement for the release candidate mdz? [03:05] a draft one [03:06] it's a good idea to try to stay up to date with the CD images, rsync-wise - it's easy to get behind and then you basically end up starting from scratch again [03:06] day-to-day it isn't too bad [03:07] Riddell: I think mako wrote one [03:08] Riddell: yes, definitely a good idea to rsync the day before so that you can get the new stuff quickly === haggai-livecd [~ubuntu@i-83-67-20-196.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:09] konversation works on live cd [03:09] haggai: a good sign :) === Riddell sets up an rsync cronjob [03:11] mdz: do you expect to announce it tonight? [03:12] Riddell: it's possible, but I expect we'll wait until tomorrow, especially if you guys need more time [03:14] Actually have no real way of transfering it from that computer (laptop with no floppy drive -- usb key nowhere to be seen). [03:14] In kcontrol when enabling the connection, it lights up green as though enabled, and within a second is deactivated [03:14] apokryphos: that's probably a knetworkconf problem [03:15] apokryphos: can you configure it from the command line with ifconfig or dhclient3? [03:16] mdz: Don't really know how ;-). Beena long time since I had ot use them [03:17] apokryphos: ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.x [03:18] apokryphos: route add default gw 192.168.your.gateway [03:18] "sudo dhclient3 eth0" should do the trick [03:18] oh right you were using dhcp === Riddell cycles off home === apok [~ubuntu@host-84-9-34-89.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apok [~ubuntu@host-84-9-34-89.bulldogdsl.com] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === apok [~ubuntu@host-84-9-34-89.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:21] success! [03:21] apok: /var/log/casper/syslog please :-) [03:21] sure; one sec. [03:21] it's binary, right? .gz [03:23] http://www.youmortals.com/stuff/ubuntu/syslog.gz [03:24] Mar 30 00:42:57 dhclient: DHCPNAK from 10.0.0.2 [03:25] looks like the server's refusing you a lease [03:25] mdz: someone on #kubuntu just reported sound working fine on amd64 === apokryphos forgot that .gz is emphatically not binary. :/ [03:27] Riddell: I've pinged mako regarding the release announcement; no answer yet [03:28] Kamion: what kind of reasons would there be for that? Router settings? [03:29] apokryphos: no idea, TBH ... [03:30] ex. no free lease left, your mac-adress changed or it's wrong defined [03:32] Kamion: if after rebooting you do not put the cd back in, it goes off and downloads everything off the internet. Why does it not ask for the cd first? [03:33] haggai: what does it download? [03:33] Kamion: seemed to be kubuntu-desktop and deps [03:34] and basically, Mark told me to do it that way :) [03:34] erm, that's a bug [03:34] did you do a server install? [03:34] no, plain install [03:34] hmm, but that was on an earlier cd that I noticed that [03:35] haggai: doesn't it copy all the .debs to the hard disk during install? [03:35] yes I did see it copying debs this time around [03:35] and I didn't wait to see if it worked. I'll try another install once this one is done [03:36] I just wasn't sure what the behaviour was supposed to be [03:36] haggai: depends on how old, really. Before 11 March, archive-copier didn't work properly for Kubuntu [03:36] it was 25 March [03:36] the image [03:37] the intended behaviour is that it should not retrieve anything from the CD, and the only thing it should download from the net is language-support-*, and that only after asking you if it's allowed to [03:37] but maybe it didn't really download everything. I'll retry once I'm done [03:37] it didn't ask me if I was allowed to download, that's for sure [03:37] it won't always [03:38] that only happens for non-English installs (because language-support-en is on the CD) [03:38] k [03:38] hmm [03:39] Updating fontconfig cache... [03:39] Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file [03:39] ah #7649 === usual [~colin@cpe-24-194-193-176.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === usual [~colin@cpe-24-194-193-176.nycap.res.rr.com] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Zoinks] [03:54] hmm mounting my usb stick isn't working [03:56] uuh pmount isn't installed [03:57] Ubuntu gets pmount due to gnome-volume-manager [03:57] I thought pmount had been added to the kubuntu seeds [03:57] you want it, seed it :) [03:57] I can't only amu has the super powers [03:57] nope ... [03:57] you want me to do it? [03:57] desktop? [03:57] yes please [03:58] does anything in KDE know how to use pmount automatically? [03:58] like g-v-m? [03:59] yes it does it automatically [03:59] media:/ knows about it [03:59] but no dependency? [03:59] so I connect my usb stick, an icon pops up, I click on it and it is mounted [04:00] ah, it's a recommends [04:00] ah [04:02] haggai: done, seeds updated, germinate-output updating [04:02] Kamion: thanks [04:03] d'oh, clashed with my own cron job [04:03] that explains the weird-shit germinate errors === apokryphos [~apokrypho@host-84-9-34-89.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:14] Kamion: it's a recommend not a dependency because it can fall back on fstab [04:14] and if you depend on pmount you have to depend on hal which breaks buildds [04:15] ok; you might want to make sure any only-recommended packages you know about are seeded [04:15] I'm uploading kubuntu-meta now [04:15] thanks [04:17] sssssssssssssssssssssst [04:18] Unpacking kdepim-dev (from .../kdepim-dev_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu7_amd64.deb) ... [04:18] dpkg: error processing /home/buildd/build-hoary/chroot-hoary/var/cache/apt/archives/kdepim-dev_4%3a3.4 [04:18] .0-0ubuntu7_amd64.deb (--unpack): [04:18] trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde3/libegroupwarewizard.la', which is also in package kdepim-wizards [04:18] dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) [04:18] kdesdk is freaking CURSED [04:18] can somone please fix kdepim-dev's Replaces/Conflicts? [04:18] haggai/riddel/amu: ^--- [04:18] eek :( [04:21] haggai: want me to do it or do you want it? [04:22] Riddell: how fit are you? I need some sleep [04:22] haggai: I'll give it a shot [04:22] Riddell: ok thanks === evan_d [~evan@12.173.107.220] has joined #kubuntu-devel === evan_d [~evan@12.173.107.220] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [04:26] Riddell: the files are duplicated in kdepim-dev.install and kdepim-wizards.install [04:27] yep, presumably should be in kdepim-wizards.install [04:28] yes I think so, and a kdepim-wizards Replaces: kdepim-dev (<< 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu8) [04:28] ok I'm off to bed goodnight all [04:29] night haggai [04:58] Freeze period now, eh? I guess Kynaptic is going to be default. :P === ttf_ [~tom@p83.129.7.121.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:10] morning ttf_ [06:11] kdepim uploaded (twice) [06:11] amarok uploaded === elmo [~james@83-216-141-215.jamest298.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:27] how is kdesdk doing? [06:28] dpkg: error processing /srv/royal.buildd/home/buildd/build-hoary/chroot-hoary/var/cache/apt/archives/kdepim-dev_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu7_powerpc.deb (--unpack): [06:28] trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde3/libegroupwarewizard.la', which is also in package kdepim-wizards [06:28] that's from the ppc kdesdk log [06:29] that's what Riddell uploaded kdepim to fix [06:30] Accepted kdepim 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu9 (source) [06:30] yeah - and that's either building, or needs build everywhere === lamont will babysit it [07:05] Riddell: cp -f /usr/share/libtool/libtool.m4 ./admin/libtool.m4.in [07:05] cp: cannot stat `/usr/share/libtool/libtool.m4': No such file or directory [07:05] amarok [07:05] (i386) [08:02] Riddell: what was the reason for resyncing amarok so close to the release? === Beineri [~Beineri@pD9E7A06D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mdz [~mdz@ca-studio-bsr1o-251.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mfoxela [~legolas@port-212-202-8-100.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === froud-away [~froud@ndn-165-144-136.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Kamion [~cjwatson@host81-153-126-219.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Riddell [~jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lamont [~lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === je4d [~je4d@je4d.developer.kde] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ttf_ [~tom@p83.129.7.121.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [~apokrypho@host-84-9-34-89.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [~ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === dato [~adeodato@84-120-77-228.onocable.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === haggai [~halls@83.67.20.196] has joined #kubuntu-devel === uniq [charlie@213.184.199.55] has joined #kubuntu-devel === elmo [~james@83-216-141-215.jamest298.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cmf [~lou@adsl-213-249-162-93.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #kubuntu-devel === calc [~ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === buga-away [~burjang@csomalin.csoma.elte.hu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:08] Progress? :-) kdesdk_4:3.4.0-0ubuntu5_20050330-0708-powerpc-successful [09:23] haggai: you around? === ice_1963 [~gary@pcp02171024pcs.brghtn01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ttf [~tom@p83.129.7.121.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === d3vic3 [~d3vic3@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Beineri [~Beineri@binner.kde] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:10] moin [12:10] lamont: back [12:37] after what time does a failed build (kdesdk) try it again? [12:58] not sure, I think it might depend on the buildd load [12:59] best thing is to ask lamont to requeue === haggai does that [01:00] thanks for noticing === d3vic3 [~d3vic3@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === d3vic3 [~d3vic3@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:01] ttf: why did you mess up KubuntuKDEStatus? === _froud_ [~froud@ndn-165-144-136.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:12] ttf: kdesdk is done (now, your nitpick change made it only correct for 30min) [02:12] ttf: why did you change kdevelop3 to kdevelop? [02:12] ttf: why did you readd "no crypto" to kdepim? === elmo [~james@83-216-141-215.jamest298.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:13] ttf: why did you readd "purge Gimp etc. from seeds"? === usual [~colin@cpe-24-194-193-176.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:13] Riddell: dude, your amarok upload FTBFS [02:19] fooey [02:24] FWIW, I'm updating the chroot on novo and happy to install any build-dep etc. on there you need, if it helps [02:33] elmo: could you install screen? [02:36] Beineri: 1) I know that kdesdk is in the progress of being uploaded it was there as source, but not as a package 2) missing the 3 in kdevelop was a typo. just found out that I edited a cached wiki page - I didn't see the last changes, that's why I the "purge Gimp.." stuff has been put back. will set things proper again [02:37] haggai: installed in base [02:37] elmo: cheers === d3vic3 [~d3vic3@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:29] haggai: amarok_2:1.2.3-1ubuntu1 and kdesdk_4:3.4.0-0ubuntu5 given back... [03:31] noooooooooooooooooooo [03:31] lamont: version of amarok is obsolete [03:32] and I gave kdesdk back already [03:32] how recenlyt on kdesdk? [03:33] 2-3 hours ago [03:33] that's less important, it'll just double build and reject [03:33] actually, if it's already uploaded, it'll just reject the mail [03:33] s/reject/error-out handling/ [03:33] I see no builds currently in progress, so should be OK [03:34] yeah - is installed everywhere, so I just generated some email was all === apokryphos_ [~apokrypho@host-84-9-33-102.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === d3vic3 [~d3vic3@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:21] do we have a kubuntu release candidate? [06:22] mdz: everyone seemed happy with the ones from last night [06:22] yup, we have several known problems but nothing really serious [06:23] ok, great === Riddell wonders if he has time to go out shopping before the release [06:31] "kde" is missing dependencies on kdeaccessiblity, kdesdk and kdevelop3 [06:32] and kdepim-doc-html gives an installation error [06:34] haggai: can you list the known problems at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuReleaseCandidateKnownProblems [06:35] Riddell: I'd rather we had bug reports [06:35] Riddell: and there are bug reports open for the problems I am aware of [06:35] Riddell: or are you thinking of a user documentation thing? [06:36] haggai: well it's kind of release notes for people to quickly check, might be an idea to link to the bugzilla reports there [06:36] oh, and what about translations? There are masses of kde-i18n updates in CVS KDE_3_4_BRANCH - not sure if we should take them [06:36] Riddell: ok I agree with you on that [06:37] haggai: yes we should definatly patch kde-i18n against branch [06:37] Riddell: the patch is massive [06:37] none known problems? :-) Me at least had still the lilac strips on blue background with today's live-cd [06:37] http://kubuntu.org/~halls/updates/ [06:37] http://kubuntu.org/~halls/updates/01_kde-i18n_branch_2005-03-29.diff.diffstat [06:38] Beineri: well I havn't been able to try the CDs yet so none known to me :) [06:38] I'll fill it out with links to bugzilla [06:40] Riddell: I generated patches and changelogs for each module at http://kubuntu.org/~halls/updates [06:40] Riddell: right click K menu->"Menu Editor" still not works, OOo is missing icons and file dialog, ... [06:41] Beineri: I don't think I can do the icons. It needs a big reorganisation of the package - not even oo1/debian has it [06:41] haggai: and KDE file dialog? [06:41] Beineri: depends on what the ubuntu release managers say - it is quite a big change to enable it by default since it tickles a lot of new code [06:42] I wonder if there's a good reason kdeaccessiblity, kdesdk and kdevelop3 are missing from meta-kde, can't see any [06:42] haggai: iirc SUSE copies/swaps the icon set around (via script?) when starting OOo under KDE [06:42] pesky .dhelp on kdepim-doc-html there, really should get to the bottom of that [06:43] Riddell: kde 3.2 had no kdeaccessibility, or? :-) [06:43] Beineri: I know but like I said it is a very intrusive change [06:43] Beineri: yep, and looks like kdesdk was removed at some point when it happened not to build, and I guess kdevelop3 has never been added [06:44] I'll add those now and do a quick fix on kdepim-doc-html === amu [amu@amu.developer.debian] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:49] mdz: ok, so exactly which version is the Kubuntu preview? [06:49] dumb question :-): once Hoary is released its seeds are frozen (for additions), or? [06:49] this morning's daily build, or the manual one from last night? [06:49] Beineri: frozen by definition [06:50] Kamion: the manual one; I didn't realize the daily build wasn't disabled [06:50] So there is no way to add something to main/supported during hoary life-time? [06:50] mdz: ok, so that's kubuntu/daily/20050330 and kubuntu/daily-live/20050330 [06:50] Beineri: that's why we have more releases after hoary [06:51] Kamion: daily-live/20050330.1/ is newer, or? [06:51] and daily/20050330.1/ [06:51] Kamion: 9cf3c1252ddafd269c459c5759d07a7d hoary-live-amd64.iso [06:51] the one with that in it === Beineri just asking because he would like to see KOffice as supported :-) [06:52] Beineri: yes I know they're newer, see my question to mdz and mdz's answer [06:53] Beineri: 20050330.1 is "this morning's daily build" === Beineri successfully tried e3008ffe43b4fcbdbf20d3d074b8ce69 hoary-live-i386.iso today [06:56] Beineri: is that 20050330 or 20050330.1? [06:57] that's 20050330/ - but I can test 30.1 very fast (rsync :-) [06:57] no, 20050330 is the one that the rest of us tested [06:57] so that's good [07:04] REJECT [07:04] Rejected: Unknown distribution `unstable'. [07:05] meta-kde.. someone [07:05] oops, I havn't done that in a while [07:09] Riddell: kvim recreated the Editor/ category in kmenu === Riddell isntalls [07:11] hmm, it's an evil old applnk .desktop file [07:12] kvim is a dependency of vimpart kdeaddons kde === amu_ [~amu@dump.mediaways.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Riddell fixes the kmenuedit problem in kdebase === Riddell moves on to kdepim's .dhelp issue [07:44] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hoary/rc/ [07:55] http://kubuntu.org/hoary-release-candidate.php === motaboy [~motaboy@host226-39.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:06] amu_, haggai: that good for an announcement? [08:06] Hi all! [08:07] Riddell: looks good [08:07] hey motaboy [08:07] hi haggai [08:08] motaboy: I forgot to tell you, the bluetooth packages sometimes use kedit, which isn't installed on kubuntu [08:10] haggai: you're right there are some easy template script for the device scanner that calls kedit [08:10] haggai: I'll patch them to use kwrite or kate [08:11] there should be some way to get it to just use the default program assigned to text files === motaboy doesn't understand how haggai can find so many bugs in so less time :P === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:mdz] : Preview Released | http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/ | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu | Hoary release candidate: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hoary/rc/ [08:28] would one of you like to do the honors on #kubuntu and kubuntu.org? [08:29] Riddell: using kfmclient exec $FILENAME the default editor is used :D [08:29] Riddell: or better the default program for that mime type [08:31] mdz: is there a URL for the ubuntu release candidate announcement? [08:32] motaboy: kfmclient exec seems sensible to me [08:32] Riddell: should appear at http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-March/thread.html any minute === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : Release Candidate out | http://www.kubuntu.org/ | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu | Hoary release candidate: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hoary/rc/ [08:48] Kamion: is it possible to change the kubuntu bootscreen from, This is the Ubuntu LiveCD to this is the Kubuntu LiveCD ? [08:50] amu: yeah, should be possible, I've TODOed that for tomorrow [08:54] Riddell: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-March/000022.html [08:54] amu: just don't ask me to change "Starting Ubuntu..." [08:54] unless there is a trivial way to test whether we are booting from a kubuntu CD or an ubuntu CD [08:55] or for that matter the branded strings in the installer [08:56] some day we'll have to care about those, but I'm trying to put that day off as far as possible === apokryphos [~apokrypho@host-84-9-33-14.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ttf_ [~tom@p83.129.85.103.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:03] mdz: hehe :) [09:06] Riddell: http://kubuntu.org/ spells GNOME wrong and links to the preview CDs [09:23] Beineri: CD link fixed thanks. I prefer the Minguel was of capitalising Gnome [09:23] s/was/way/ [09:36] Riddell: are you going to do an announcement to the KDE news feed again? [09:36] the kubuntu RC torrents are fairly quiet so far ;-) [09:38] Minguel? [09:40] http://primates.ximian.com/~miguel/software.html#gnome ? He writes it GNOME. [09:42] Riddell: appsy, fm? === dato [~adeodato@84-120-77-228.onocable.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === dato [~adeodato@84-120-77-228.onocable.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:24] Riddell: so is ok for you if I change it to a call to kfmclient exec ? [10:35] Ehm another idea. I'd like to start packaging stuffs for koffice 1.4, as it would have quite new stuffs and finally a very good krita. Is there anyone other that is just doing this? [10:40] mdz: I don't think it's worthy of a kde dot news story, I've sent it to kde-announce and updated kde-apps and freshmeat [10:41] Riddell: ok [10:41] Riddell: next week, then ;-) [10:41] motaboy: if kfmclient works then yes :) [10:41] Riddell: Ok, I think I'll fix this in kde cvs :) [10:41] mdz: yep, next week [10:42] motaboy: koffice 1.4 would be great, ask on Pkg-kde-talk if anyone from debian is working on it [10:43] Riddell: sorry for the ignorance, what/where's Pkg-kde-talk? As developer I'm subscribed to kde-packager, is it the same? [10:44] motaboy: it's the mailing list used by the debian packagers http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-kde-talk [10:45] Riddell: oh thanks. [10:47] April 22, 2005 KOffice 1.4 beta 1. Would be very cool if we could have packages by then [10:48] Beineri: I can't find it just now but I'm sure I've seen a something (gnome foundation candidate proposal) where he says he wants to campaign on changing GNOME to Gnome [10:54] Riddell: I'm updating it from CVS and begin packaging it. [10:56] BTW I think that there's an important patch that should be applied to QT. It will fix that hated hangs in konqueror when you make a selection [10:58] We applied it in gentoo some months ago without any problem. [10:58] what do you think? Do you already talked about this issue? [11:48] Nobody is reading the Ubuntu announcement till the paragraph which mentions Kubuntu ;-|... http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=10156 [11:51] Night all!