Riddelllamont: what's the kdesdk thing?12:02
Riddellah I see12:02
Kamionnew live CDs up12:05
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lamontew.  ppc has 1.5MB of the 2.5MB needed for a successful log.12:07
lamontsomething tells me it won't be done by :00 :-)12:07
lamontOTOH, ia64 is at 1.2MB. :-(12:08
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lamontkdesdk will be given back at :40.  Good luck kdesdk and kdepim. :-)12:09
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pitti_night everybody12:10
dholbachbye pitti 12:10
seb128'night pitti_12:11
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mdzKamion: amd64 install starting stage 2, archive-copier looks good12:25
mdzKamion: that new progress bar is still a little funny; it goes through 2 steps without updating the progress bar12:25
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Kamionmdz: ok, I'll have a look at it post-preview12:27
Kamioner, post-rc12:27
Kamionit's better than a blue screen though :)12:27
Kamionpowerpc install in base system12:28
mdzdefinitely cosmetic12:28
Kamionthe lack of translations in tzsetup and apt-setup concerns me more12:28
Kamionthat requires the locale to be generated earlier, I think; or alternatively a cheesy templates hack12:28
mdzen_US seems to have very good translation coverage12:28
mdzI'll be able to confirm the xorg fix shortly on amd6412:29
mdzmy powerpc test install is at about the same point as yours12:29
Kamionmdz: btw what do you mean by "goes through two steps"?12:30
mdzKamion: the text at the bottom of the dialog box changes, but the progress bar doesn't12:31
Kamionweird, don't see where that could be happening; I'll watch out for it12:31
mdzit changes to "Checking for CD-ROM..." or similar12:31
Kamionyeah, that's got a STEP immediately before it12:32
Kamionunless I just fouled up the use of the progress interface somehow12:32
mdzis the previous step doing STEP after, rather than before?12:33
Kamionit goes START INFO <stuff> STEP if (condition) { INFO <stuff> STEP } STOP12:33
mdzI don't know why it looks the way it does, then12:34
mdzit's as if that last STEP doesn't take effect12:34
Kamionthe INFO inside the if is the one associated with the message you mentioned12:34
mdzamd64 xorg is good12:34
KamionI see what you mean - but the message before "Checking for CD-ROM" disappeared too quickly12:35
Kamionmdz: I think I know what it is: the condition (above) is looking for a file on the CD, so it's probably seek delay between STEP and INFO12:36
mdzpowerpc booting stage 212:36
mdzKamion: I  just watched it on amd64, and it was too fast to notice12:36
mdzbut on powerpc I could see the delay12:36
mdzno DMA on that CD-ROM either, on powerpc12:36
KamionI should move the test up anyway to get the progress bar length right, which would fix it as a side-effect12:37
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elmowhy does the gnome keyboard stuff always come up in a too-small window?12:45
elmoand does anyone know how I map a us (if it matters) win key to alt?12:50
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nictukuI'd like to request that you please compile pound with "--enable-msdav" in the distributed package12:55
nictukuthat goes in debian/rules, line 3112:55
tsengmsdav = microsoft webdav?12:55
nictukuyes. Technically, it add the *possibility* of enabling WebDav access in pound.12:56
tsengwe already removed libhowl due to legal issues12:57
tsengthis *sounds* even shadier12:57
nictukudon't worry, it just makes pound forward some HTTP commands.12:57
nictukuit's required to make subversion work behind pound, either.12:58
tsengcan you add it to MOTUTodo on the wiki please/12:58
nictukusure. Is it possible to make it ship with hoary?12:58
dholbachnictuku: could you provide a source package?12:59
dholbachnictuku: that would be the easiest thing for us12:59
nictukuI could, but I don't even know if hoary uses 1.7 or a newer version of pound.12:59
dholbachnictuku: you have hoary?12:59
nictukunot yet (production servers).12:59
dholbachah i see12:59
dholbachVersion: 1.7-101:00
nictukuhow should I update debian/changelog?01:00
dholbachnictuku: would you joib #ubuntu-motu01:01
jdubtseng: howl was removed for licensing reasons01:02
tsengs'what I said01:02
tsengjust wanted to be sure this wouldnt put us in the same boat, you know.01:02
jdubyou said it in response to enabling something in existing open source code01:02
Kamionmdz: hmm, there is a very ugly pile of scrollkeeper errors on powerpc install01:03
mdzKamion: install-amd64 successful01:03
Kamion/var/lib/scrollkeeper/C/scrollkeeper_extended_cl.xml:2526: parser error : Extra content at the end of the document^M01:04
Kamionic-repo-aptline">The Syntax of the APT line^M01:04
Kamionmostly that sort of thing01:04
Kamionand there is indeed garbage at the end of scrollkeeper_extended_cl.xml01:06
mdzpowerpc is in scrollkeeper here01:08
mdzI'm starting some kubuntu builds01:08
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mdzseb128, pitti: here?01:14
mdzsomething odd just happened01:14
mdzI inserted an Ubuntu amd64 live CD while logged into the desktop01:15
Kamionand can somebody please fix that stuff about scrollkeeper trying to load a network entity?01:15
mdzan icon appeared on the desktop, but it was called "CD/DVD-ROM"01:15
mdzand when I double-clicked it, I got burn:///01:15
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minghuaKamion: yeah, that bug is annoying, especiall there is an email complaining about it01:17
mdkeping seb128 01:17
seb128mdz: pong01:18
mdzseb128: any idea why that is happening?01:18
seb128mdz: are you sure that's not a blank CD ?01:18
mdzseb128: yes, I just booted from it :-)01:18
mdzand it's not a burner either01:18
seb128mdz: could you look with lshal or hal-device-manager what kind of CD is detected ?01:18
Robot101mdz: are you aware of a buglet where when doing dist-upgrade with apt, and using pinning or default releases, it wants to install/uninstall stuff based on the conflicts/depends of the highest available version, rather than the version which is the installation candidate?01:19
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Robot101mdz: resulting in apt-get dist-upgrade wanting to install or remove things, but upgrade saying everything is up to date?01:19
mdzseb128: will do, after I finish this live CD test01:19
mdzseb128: it is a DVD+RW, so it could be written again, might that be related?01:19
seb128it should be depend on what hal detects01:19
mdzRobot101: that's not quite what's happening, but yet01:19
mdzRobot101: s/yet/yes/01:19
Robot101mdz: I get it because of the python changes in hoary - dist-upgrade wants to remove python, even though upgrade is happy01:19
juanhi guyz. will you update mono package to 1.0.6 or 1.14 ?01:20
mdzbug 170522 or something like that01:20
seb128mdz: hum, could be01:20
mdzyep, #17052201:20
Robot101mdz: aha, OK01:20
Robot101well that one hasn't been filed too many times :)01:21
mdzcan someone fix the "none busy" error on shutdown?01:21
mdzit's the last remaining wart on the live CD01:21
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juanhi guyz. will you update mono package to 1.0.6 or 1.14 ?01:21
mdzand iirc it affects the installed system too (though it's less visible there due to the lack of interactivity)01:21
mdzjuan: tseng looks after our mono packages01:21
tsengjuan: im working on 1.1.4 as a maybe01:22
Kamionoh for pity's sake, I hate heisenbugs01:22
tsengright now everything is failing spectacuarly01:22
seb128mdz: who handles the about-ubuntu stuff ? He has put a po file C/about-ubuntu-fr.po instead of making a fr/about-ubuntu.xml ...01:22
mdzseb128: the doc team has it in svn01:22
mdzseb128: the best thing would be to fix it and send a patch01:22
seb128they don't know how that work, do they ?01:22
juantseng ? mmm let me see, thx :)01:23
mdzseb128: no, enrico did it originally but he no longer has time01:23
mdzso currently no one is maintaining the packaging01:23
tsengjuan: i just said it doesnt work at all01:23
tsengeven a little bit.01:23
Burgundaviaseb128: if you send a patch, I will commit it01:23
seb128mdz: that's not important for the candidate, I'll fix that for hoary though 01:23
juantseng opps ok :/01:24
seb128Burgundavia: that's easy, put the french xml file as fr/about-ubuntu.xml01:24
juanI'll have to compile it xD thx01:24
seb128Burgundavia: /usr/share/gnome/help/about-ubuntu/01:25
seb128Burgundavia: C/about-ubuntu.xml is the default one, translation are <locale>/about-ubuntu.xml01:25
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mdzseb128: it says is_blank=1, is_rewritable=001:26
Burgundaviaseb128: ok, will do01:26
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seb128mdz: and it's not blank ? hal bug I would say 01:26
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dholbachi know you couldnt care less about BOFs at this stage of the release, but is there a way to still get a CDBS BOF in?01:28
KamionBurgundavia: while you're at it, fixing the various broken symlinks in the doc packages would be good01:29
Kamionmdz: I wonder if the scrollkeeper thing is just because /usr/share/xml/4.3/docbookx.dtd is 4.3b2, not 4.3, so the proper catalog entry isn't registered01:30
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mdzKamion: live is good x301:33
KamionDebian #30115701:33
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elmohey, can we fix that damn blurry icon of update-foo before release?01:38
jdubin the splash? yes, that's fixable01:39
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mdzKamion: given a successful i386 install report, I'm fairly satisfied01:40
dholbachelmo: if you talk about the faded icon in the tray that you get while "something happens", that's a feature01:43
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elmodholbach: no, like jdub said, I mean the one in the splash01:43
mdzseb128: is sound preview in nautilus expected to work?01:44
dholbachmdz: if you have sox installed01:44
mdzbut we don't install sox by default01:44
mdzand that's silly besides01:45
jdubvery silly, very silly01:45
Kamionadding a system id to the 4.3 catalog entry seems to fix the annoying "Attempt to load network entity" errors01:45
Kamionper suggestion in Debian #30115701:46
Kamionbut I'm not sure about doing that given that the docbook 4.3 files in docbook-xml are actually 4.3b2, and I don't know what happens if you change that01:46
seb128mdz: you need sox or mpg123/ogg123 01:47
mdzseb128: why doesn't it use gstreamer?01:47
jdubit was written before gstreamer existed01:48
jduband no one has really cared enough about the feature to redo it01:49
jdubit's possible it could be redone with the nautilus extension framework though01:49
Kamionso anyone willing to own up to knowing about docbook-xml?01:50
dholbachjdub: something we could add on a potential wiki/WantAnIdeaForYourUniOrSchoolProject01:50
jdubdholbach: cool01:50
jdubKamion: i may be able to answer01:51
seb128mdz: what jdub said01:51
dholbachjdub: that's why i wrote wiki/AcademicInvolvement ages ago ;-)01:51
mdzI swear we talked about this before01:51
mdzit's a shame not to have that feature work out of the box01:51
Kamionjdub: see comments above about docbook 4.3 / 4.3b2 / system ids01:52
mjtre netcache proxies - typical "ftp user" variant (USER something@host:port -- proxycheck tries just that).  Your example just have port 25 out blocked so you can't list it in dsbl.01:53
mjtdoh mischan01:53
jdubKamion: hrm, don't think so01:54
jdubKamion: one of the docs must refer to a bad schema01:55
Kamionjdub: it's weird because 4.3/ChangeLog in the source says "DocBook XML V4.3 released" at the top01:55
Kamionjdub: no, all the docs look perfectly fine, it's the catalog that's broken01:55
Kamionand as I say making the 4.3 catalog look like all the other 4.* catalogs fixes it01:55
jduboh, i missed that big01:56
Kamionoh, hang on, there aren't 4.3b2 entries in there at all01:56
Kamionthey're in comments01:56
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dholbachgood night01:57
KamionI think I'll upload docbook-xml to fix this, if nobody objects; the errors are ugly01:57
mdzhas anyone tested current/hoary-install-i386.iso yet?01:57
jdubnight dholbach 01:57
dholbachbye jdub and i'll start wiki/HacksWeCouldNeed first thing tomorrow :-)01:58
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Kamionmdz: will do in a bit02:01
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Kamiondocbook-xml fix uploaded; we don't *have* to go with it for RC02:09
nictukucan someone please report if this is currently accessible? http://www.grupomabel.com.br/ubuntu/02:16
Burgundavianictuku: it is02:17
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Burgundaviasome people on #ubuntu are reporting the tracker is unavailable for torrents02:17
nictukuthank you Burgundavia.02:17
Lathiatnictuku: works fine02:17
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nictukuthank you.02:19
helio7 http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/ torrent tracker is not doing its job I'm fairly sure; I've verified the problem with other folks, but can't figure out where to report it to the Ubuntu administration; can anyone here relay that message?02:20
elmohelio7: how do you mean not doing it's job?02:21
helio7"Error: Requested Download is not authorized for use with this tracker" is the message I get; I'm just trying to help out by seeding the latest hoary ISOs; they were working a few days ago... but now are not... you can try one  hhttp://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/hoary-preview-install-ia64.iso.torrent02:23
helio7I confirmed the error was not unique to my system by asking someone in #azureus to try; they received the same error02:24
elmoKamion: err, dude?02:24
Kamiongar, I didn't realise thom had disabled all the existing torrents02:25
KamionI thought it was on the basis of "existing torrents, plus new stuff in torrent tree"02:25
CarlKKamion - you need any more info?  I was going to poke around02:25
KamionCarlK: nope02:25
KamionCarlK: if you mean on the torrent thing02:25
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CarlKKamion - torrent thing.  k.  I'll get back to other things02:26
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Lathiatneed one of the magic laptop acpi moduules?02:27
Lathiatlke the ibm and dell ones?02:27
helio7from the sounds of your talk; my message has been received by those with the power to fix it.  Correct?  02:27
mdzhelio7: yep02:28
elmohelio7: yeah, thanks02:29
Kamionright, I'm on it, I'm just in er a slightly awkward situation machine-wise right now02:29
Kamionhelio7: can you stick around for a bit?02:29
helio7np thank you; just trying to do my small part to help out Ubuntu; I'm very appreciative; sure I can stick around.02:30
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Kamionelmo: I think those ISOs should be heading back towards orcadas now; can you see whether the autotracker magic is working?02:47
elmoKamion: I _think_ it's okay02:53
Kamionhelio7: can you give it another try?02:54
helio7yup verified here as well Kamion + elmo (= cool02:54
helio7you all rock02:54
Kamionfantastic, thanks for the report02:55
Kamionit was a combination of things, mostly my screwup/misunderstanding, so sorry about that02:55
helio7If I had a server I'd be hosting; seeding the torrents is the least I can do for this great system;  happy I could help; see you all another day02:55
elmokamion: just blame thom - I always do02:55
KamionI still can't seem to get http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/hoary-preview-install-ia64.iso.torrent though02:58
Kamioni386 works02:58
helio7ia64 is showing 2 seeds and 3 peers for me; no connection yet, but no error message either; I think it's just a question of availability03:00
Kamionright, fair enough; I'm not really used to BT from the client end03:01
lamont_rKamion: lol03:01
KamionI just chuck stuff at torrent.ubuntu.com and hope it works :)03:01
CarlKis all ok, or should a BT nut snoop around?03:02
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KamionI think it's sorted; please mail cjwatson@ubuntu.com about any other errors (although note I'll be going to bed soon)03:03
Kamioner, any other CD image BT errors that is ;P03:03
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lamont_rlivecds finally finish downloading (x2)03:03
lamont_rnow to see how fast install CD's finish03:03
Kamionmdz: btw install-i386 was fine, in case I forgot to say03:07
mdzKamion: great03:08
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mdzKamion: do you want to go with RC tonight or tomorrow?03:25
KamionI haven't tried the live images yet, and I'm getting rather tired03:26
mdzok, let's send a call for testing to the lists and get some rest for tomorrow, then?03:26
Kamionyeah, I think that's sensible03:26
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mdzKamion: ok, please activate the bat-signal before you go03:28
Kamionmdz: mm. I'd like to have jigdos for the install CD, but little's mirror has been synced since then so it's probably no longer possible to generate them03:28
Kamionhow do you feel about a rebuild of that lot, incidentally picking up the docbook-xml fix?03:29
mdzhaven't paid attention to what's been uploaded since then03:29
mdzs/what's/what else has/03:29
Kamionmdz: nothing else in my hoary-changes box03:30
juanwhere is the dbus session start command at ubuntu? I mean, if it's on .bashrc... or another file... I want to build dbus with mono support, that's the reason... ?03:30
mdzKamion: docbook-xml is irrelevant to the live CD, right?03:30
danielsfabbione: thanks a lot dude -- g'night03:30
CarlKyesterday's live boots on my e-junk box03:31
mdzCarlK: excellent03:31
CarlKmdz - maybe - it does't help explain why I can't install03:31
Kamionjuan: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/75dbus-1-utils_dbus-launch03:32
CarlKI have todays live and install - I'll burn and see what they do03:32
Kamionmdz: well, it's in the desktop seed, so it's in both03:33
mdzKamion: but the change was only to fix the scrollkeeper errors, right?03:33
juanKamion thn! ;)03:33
Kamionmdz: right, it's an addition to the catalog03:34
Kamionmdz: it might affect the help browser on the live CD03:34
mdzKamion: I'm happy to go out with the current live CDs, and rebuilt install CDs, then03:34
mdzno sense having to re-test them in this case03:35
juanKamion can I compile the lastest dbus and use it correctly at hoary?03:35
Kamionjuan: dunno03:35
Kamionmdz: ok, I'll start a rebuild now, and test them all first thing tomorrow03:35
juanKamion sorry, I dont know what's dunno, sorry, I guess I can do that... or not?03:36
Kamionjuan: dunno = don't know03:37
juanoh ok thnx :S03:37
juanhas hoary a dbus version with mono support?03:39
juanI need that thing :/03:39
danielsjuan: apt-cache search dbus mono03:39
juansorry daniels thanks03:39
Kamionjuan: it's in universe; and this is an #ubuntu question really03:39
juanyes but I've compiled mono 1.1.403:40
juanI think dbus support is for 1.0.503:40
juanat ubuntu package..03:40
danielstry it and see?03:40
juanok, np03:41
mdzKamion: hmm, DVD images03:47
bob2the hibernate script doesn't ensure you're going to reboot into the same kernel you suspend from03:49
bob2so if you upgrade kernel, don't reboot, hibernate, then you lose everything03:50
juandaniels that worked, sorry and thanks.03:50
Kamionmdz: you want them built?03:51
Lathiatbob2: swsusp2 blats a big fat warning at you03:53
bob2swsusp/pmdisk tells you it's screwed and continues booting03:53
bob2which trashes the image03:53
bob2swsusp2 is crack, tho; he wants to have THE KERNEL prompt the user about03:54
bob2printf/gets from kernelspace, baybe03:54
Lathiatsuspend2 works far better however, and the kernel does blat at you about a few things that could screw your system03:54
Kamionlike what?03:54
Lathiatbooting from the wrong kernel03:55
bob2how does it work better?03:55
Lathiatbooting when the root filesystem has already been mounted03:55
KamionI mean like what, pre-swsusp203:55
Lathiatbob2: i've never got the in kernel stuff to work for me, swsusp2 works nice, plus it has nice status bars and whatnot to let you know whats happening, and lets you suspend compress the image which speeds things up, among other things03:56
bob2hm, had no problems with swsusp03:57
Lathiatdoesn't even suspend03:57
Lathiatlet alone resume03:57
bob2if it doesn't work for you, that would be a bug (mjg59 said it should work pretty much everywhere now)03:57
Lathiat(and suspend to ram works fine)03:57
Lathiati'll try it now03:57
bob2heh, may not be fixed in the 17 minutes before the RC03:58
Lathiatat least daniels fixed my resolution bug so 16:10 lcd resolutions now work03:58
Lathiatthat means all the important stuff on my laptop works out of the box which is rad03:59
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bob2itym "totally rad" ;-)03:59
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mdzKamion: yes, I think we ought04:03
Kamionmdz: ok; you want to run cron.dvd after my cron.daily run finishes, then?04:04
mdzKamion: sure04:04
Kamion(note jigdo is turned off for DVD by default, so no need to hack it ;))04:04
mdzif it finishes within the next 4 hours or so, I'll test it too04:04
mdzoh, it should then04:04
KamionDVDs take 45mins-1hr or so04:05
zenwhenIs the DVD going to be shipped?04:05
lamont__rKamion: wonder if you could be convinced to burn a mini-dvd iso.. (with no packages, just the front end...)  That'd be within my rsync abilities...04:07
Lathiatoh lovely04:07
Lathiatnull pointer dereference in the kernel :)04:07
Lathiati wish the nv driver didnt have horrid color depth problems, gradients look like ass, especially the ones in the ubuntu backgrounds and whatnot04:08
Kamionlamont_r: isn't that kind of pointless?04:08
lamont_rKamion: well, I was gonna brutalize it...04:08
Kamionlamont_r: concatenate the install CD and the live CD, it'd be nearly as good04:08
lamont_rKamion: ok04:08
Kamionyou could rsync off that; would still take a few hours04:09
lamont_ras in, include all the .deb/.udeb's from both?04:09
KamionI was thinking of 'cat' actually :)04:09
Kamionhmm - wonder what would happen if you just catted all of main together plus a cloop, and rsynced04:09
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Kamionthat's basically jigdo only stupider04:09
lamont_rdoes rsync really handle bouncing around reordering like that?  didn't think it would...04:10
Kamiondunno ...04:10
Kamionlamont_r: anyhow, take the install CD, delete all the .debs from it, dump in the live cloop and any missing .udebs; that's basically your DVD, modulo a bit of bootloader-fu04:10
Kamionlamont_r: hey, you could try out the debian-cd stuff I got into baz recently04:11
Kamion  baz register-archive http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/archives/colin.watson@canonical.com--200504:12
Kamion  baz get colin.watson@canonical.com--2005/cdimage--mainline--0 cdimage04:12
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Kamion  cd cdimage04:12
Kamion  baz build-config configs/devel04:12
Kamion  make -C britney/update_out04:12
lamont_rKamion: saw the email, was going to try that04:12
Kamionthen hack up the hardcoded paths in cdimage/bin/* and cdimage/debian-cd/CONF.sh (at least)04:13
Kamionactually maybe not the latter any more04:13
Kamionthen cron.dvd and pray ;)04:13
lamont_rand cdimage assumes that the archive is where in relation to itself?04:15
lamont_ror rather, it assumes that /cdimage is right under the top of /ubuntu, yes?04:15
Kamionor rather $CDIMAGE_ROOT/ftp; $CDIMAGE_ROOT is the cdimage above04:16
lamont_rand $CDIMAGE_ROOT/ftp/cdimage?04:16
Kamionso you get $CDIMAGE_ROOT/{bin,debian-cd,germinate,ftp,...}04:16
lamont_rah, ok04:16
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mdzKamion: it so does take an extra hour for jigdo04:25
mdzat least it did including ia64; maybe it's only 45m now04:25
mdzKamion: will cron.dvd make torrents?04:27
Kamionmdz: don't mind me, I was only looking over the log files which include timestamps ;)04:29
Kamionmdz: yeah, you'll get torrents created by publish-daily04:30
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mdzthe last non-jigdo build for 3 architectures took 11 minutes04:31
Kamionlast cron.dvd seems to have created torrents successfully04:32
mdzthis one is looking like about 5004:32
Kamionmdz: cron.dvd, fire at will04:39
Kamionmdz: I'm outta here for the night04:39
mdzKamion: night04:40
elmocron.daily's disabled on ftp-master for a couple of hours btw - i'm just generating contents files ;)04:46
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josueso, just a few hours from RC eh? good work everyone ;)05:22
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shayawhose in charge of the live-cd or installer?05:43
shayamadwifi doesn't work with my thinkpad t42p with either with current live cd/installer05:44
shayabut it worked with my old system (before the hard disk died)05:44
shayaonly difference is I had 686 kernel vs. 386 kernel live cd/installer use05:44
shayaso something seems screwed up with them05:44
mdzthom: the tracker is responsive, but there are no peers05:54
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sPoof_mdz: New MoinMoin package ready: http://debian.jones.dk/hykrion/pool/ubuntu/moin/06:02
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wasabi__holy artwork: Ubuntu hardware database06:05
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bob2daniels: is BinaryDriverHowto inaccurate for firegl on hoary?06:24
lamontmust buy new monitor soon06:25
lamonthrm.. pressed the power button, why'd it say I did that twice, I wonder...06:26
mdzwasabi__: credit goes to ogra06:27
fabbionemorning guys06:30
fabbionemdz: how is the situation?06:31
mdzfabbione: we did one more build in order to get jigdo files06:31
mdzof the install CDs06:31
mdzso live CDs are basically gold06:31
mdzinstall CDs need sanity checking06:31
=== fabbione rsyncs
mdzshould be identical to the last one except for docbook-xml06:32
fabbionersync cdimage.ubuntu.com::06:33
fabbionersync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [receiver] 06:33
fabbionersync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(359)06:33
fabbioneis it overloaded or am i poiting the wrong one?06:33
smurfixfabbione: Do you have an rsync already running?06:33
fabbionesmurfix: yes, but it is running towards sparc.u.c06:34
fabbionei guess they are the same machine...06:34
mako_mdz: hey dude.. just plugged in06:35
mdzmako_: hey06:35
makogrokster was awesome.. i was 25th of the 35 general public people that got in06:36
fabbionehey mako06:36
makohey there!06:36
fabbioneany link to the full story?06:36
fabbioneno i don't read /. :)06:36
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infinitymdz : Do we want a (6 character patch) fix for that info segfault, or are we long past fixing anything that isn't critical?06:40
mdzinfinity: depends on whether it's a weird corner case or something people could actually encounter without trying06:42
infinityIt's bitten me dozens of times.06:42
infinityAnd I'm not alone.  The Debian bug is full of "me too"s.06:42
mdzthe change would only affect the info reader, right?06:42
mdzand not the bits that the world build-depends on06:42
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mdzwait until after RC, but it should be fine06:43
infinityKay.  When's it safe to upload stuff again? :)06:43
infinityI'll just queue up uploads i have approval for until I get a go-ahead.06:43
mdzI'll post to -devel06:43
fabbioneRiddell: ping?06:44
lamontuh... why did keyboard choser just decide I have a serbian keyboard I wonder...06:46
crimsunwait, you stole my serbian keyboard!06:46
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lamontso, if I told it I want japanese, I should still be able to get keyboard chooser to pick american, yes?06:51
lamontGah! no casper translations to japanese????  hrmpf/06:54
minghualamont: I am not sure, when I tried installing in Chinese, I didn't have a chance to choose keyboard06:55
minghuanot that China uses any keyboards other than US layout though06:55
wasabi__VS.Net sure is retarded.06:55
wasabi__Nearly impossible to properly source control web projects.06:55
wasabi__darnit. I hate IRC06:56
wasabi__I see somebody whose nick looks like miguel so I spew out some mono crap in the wrong place.06:57
wasabi__sorry. ;006:57
calcdoes he even use freenode?06:58
wasabi__no clue06:58
calci think he is mostly on gimp06:58
wasabi__I know where he is. I just don't know where I am.06:59
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lamont-jphrm.. /var/log/syslog doesn't get saved anywhere before the pivot-root, it appears...07:00
calcwasabi__: heh07:00
calcwasabi__ gets eaten by a grue07:00
wasabi__Wow. ant is about to be built properly by the buildds.07:01
wasabi__There are 13 things dep-waiting on it.07:01
lamontkind of interesting to see what does and does not have translations in some languages07:01
lamontHrm... one should probably not use 'New Login' on the livecd.07:03
wasabi__Ooh and just disappeared from the buildd list.07:05
wasabi__Oh no it didn't. =(07:05
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wasabi__oh man. so close.07:23
wasabi__jdepend needs multi->universe07:23
fabbionemdz: do you have any opinion on #8287? I couldn't reproduce it here and have been trying for almost 4 hours07:30
fabbionemdz: resized the damn thing like 9 times07:30
mdzlamont: ?07:31
mdzfabbione: this is the only such report I have seen07:33
fabbioneyes and i think that the filesystem was already dirty before the resize. I agree with the submitter that the check should be done before the resize and error reported.07:34
fabbionethat's the only explanation i have07:35
mdzfabbione: but ntfsresize does a check itself07:36
mdzit succeeded; you can see in the log07:36
fabbionebroken check?07:37
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mdzMar 27 15:22:35 main-menu[3124] : (process:18257): NTFS volume version: 3.107:40
mdzMar 27 15:22:35 main-menu[3124] : (process:18257): Cluster size       : 4096 bytes07:40
mdzfabbione: were those the same in your test?07:40
fabbionemdz: hmmm no idea..07:40
fabbionei will have to test it again07:40
fabbionei trashed the setup to test X yesterday07:40
lamontmdz: <lamont> Hrm... one should probably not use 'New Login' on the livecd.07:46
lamontdid we document that?07:46
mdzlamont: does it break horribly?07:47
lamontwell, rebooting gets you back to a usable machine... or is the username and password documented somewhere?07:47
mdzthe password is locked07:48
lamontand it requires one to get back from 'New Login'.07:48
mdzshouldn't zapping the X server get you back as well?07:48
lamontor a new user to log in as...07:48
lamontI expect so07:49
mdzI don't think it's any worse than the Lock Screen issue07:49
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lamontI think it is equivalent to the lock screen issue07:49
fabbionemdz: install cd still asks from the CD on phase207:49
fabbioneis that expected?07:49
mdzfabbione: absolutely not07:49
mdzand it didn't for me (the last set)07:49
mdzmd5 of your iso?07:49
fabbionersynced an hour ago.. checking now07:50
fabbionebut it didn't read anything from it07:50
fabbionejust asked07:50
fabbionec868ccfe958f85f3ef96c06f45707ad6  hoary-install-i386.iso07:50
mdzit's a bug if it asks07:51
mdzand it's a new bug in this build :-(07:51
fabbionei agree :)07:51
fabbionewell it's not critical for RC07:52
mdzyes it is07:52
fabbionei need to check if netboot will ask07:52
mdzwe can release the previous build as RC though07:52
mdzthe docbook-xml thing was cosmetic07:52
lamont8d318ffb862129b32c2c267513e138a9 - doesn't ask07:52
fabbionemdz: what about asking Kamion first?07:52
fabbioneperhaps it is simple to fix07:52
mdzfabbione: sure, I'll be asleep when he arrives07:53
fabbionei will remind him if that's ok with you07:53
fabbionewe will need the usual round of test anyway when you wake up07:54
lamontfabbione: about when does pitti usually show up?07:54
fabbionelamont: in 30 minutes07:54
fabbionehold on...07:55
fabbionemdz: wait.. it might be the usual I/O problem on my cdrom07:55
fabbionemdz: never mind07:56
fabbionethe installer did it right07:56
fabbionearchive copier couldnt07:56
fabbioneread xlibs07:56
fabbioneand that's why it asked again later07:56
fabbioneso the behaviour is proper07:57
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fabbionethe weird thing is that i have problems only reading from the install media07:58
fabbionenever from live07:58
lamontmdz: the blue arcs across the lower left of the screen... are those supposed to be there?07:58
fabbioneand even with different media07:58
mdzlamont: you mean the artwork?07:58
diamondfabbione: that reminds me, the warty live cds can't be read by either of my nec dvd-rw drives, but work fine in other computers. very annoying -/07:58
mdzfabbione: install reads the entire disk, live only reads parts of it07:58
lamontwell, I don't see the blue arcs, but later I do...07:59
fabbionemdz: yes i know.. but i would have noticed read errors running big applications07:59
fabbioneX is not what i would really define small :P08:00
mdzfabbione: the odds are much lower08:00
fabbioneyeah i agree08:00
lifelesscould just run badblocks on it08:00
fabbioneFLY SPARC!08:01
fabbionemdz: i think we can manage to get sparc/main in perfect wync for Final08:01
fabbionetoo bad we won't have iso's08:01
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fabbionekubuntu made the buildd lagging a lot recently08:01
mdzyes, kubuntu has been churning08:02
fabbionemdz: due to gnome upcoming the 6th, do you think i will be allowed to sync main for sparc before we close hoary 100%?08:03
fabbioneit would be a real gain if it is all there08:03
mdzfabbione: I'm not sure what you mean?08:04
mdzwe won't delay the release for sparc :-)08:04
fabbionewell gnome is quite big08:04
fabbioneno no i am NOT asking to delay the release08:04
fabbionejust if i am allowed to upload the sparc binary after hoary is released (in case the buildd will lag)08:04
fabbioneto sync main08:04
fabbioneand close hoary forever08:05
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fabbionemorning pitti08:05
pittiHi folks08:06
pittiHey fabbione, how are you?08:06
fabbionepitti: i am ok.. thanks and you?08:06
fabbioneany new dildo for me?08:06
pittifabbione: I didn't think about them over night :-)08:07
fabbionetsk :P08:07
pittifabbione: oh, I *have* one :-)08:08
pittifabbione: did I tell you about CAN-2005-0767?08:08
fabbionepitti: send it over08:08
pittifabbione: that's the recent Radeon DRI fix08:08
pittifabbione: so something to add to your changelog :-)08:08
fabbionepitti: ah ok..08:08
pittifabbione: I already mailed the other one to you08:08
fabbionebut that's already fixed08:08
pittifabbione: I revieved the CAN database yesterday, this gives a lot of new crack :-/08:09
fabbione  * [SECURITY]  drm: fix race condition in radeon driver:08:09
fabbione    - Add patch stolen-from-head_radeon-race-fix.dpatch.08:09
fabbione    (CAN-2005-0767)08:09
pittifabbione: okay, lemme look in my mailbox for truly new crack :-)08:09
fabbionepitti: ah ok08:09
pittifabbione: yeah08:09
fabbionepitti: so there is a new patch for it?08:09
pittifabbione: no, just the new CAN08:10
pittifabbione: ah, you already had it? sorry08:10
fabbioneno i just added it to the changelog :)08:10
pittiHi mako08:10
fabbionepitti: i am faster than realtime with you :)08:10
makomdz et al: have nuts with that ^^08:10
makopitti: greetings!08:10
mdzmako: cheers08:11
fabbionemdz: i386 install if GO here. (excluding the I/O error but that's not the CD's fault)08:11
makoi am going to collapse, i haven't slept in a day :)08:11
fabbionethe rest of the installation is ok08:11
makog'night all08:12
fabbionenight mako08:12
fabbionesleep tight08:12
pittifabbione: you have mail08:12
pittinight mako!08:12
fabbionepitti: got it08:12
lamontpitti: so should I be able to choose an american keyboard with Japanese?08:14
pittilamont: actually yes08:14
fabbionepitti: interesting.. 08:14
lamontbecause I press the keys, and it gets me to either serbia or lithoania08:14
pittilamont: -> smurfix :-)08:14
lamontsmurfix: you around?08:15
lamontpitti: sorry08:15
pittino worries :-)08:15
mdzI think the layout discovery is supposed to be independent of the language selection08:15
smurfix_proxyhello world08:15
mdzyou have a us layout and it isn't detecting it?08:15
lamontis my vaio - rebooting to choose american and walk through the keyboard chooser there08:16
Mithrandirdoko: you commented (in 7404) that the next ooo build will have kde support.  That's ooo2, not ooo1, right?08:17
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lamontLithoanian.  Hrmpf08:17
lamontof course, there's some question of whether that final question is saying '1' or 'l'08:18
lamontwhich bytes of the hex dump does he need, I wonder08:19
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Fablivelivecd i386 is go here08:20
lamontmdz: I'm 2 for 2 here08:24
lamontmdz: on the bright side, almost all US mapped keyboards are going to just hit return to 'American English'08:25
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BurgundaviaI have seen that with a previous live cd as well08:28
Mithrandirwhy is firefox too stupid to download and display a .diff.gz inline?08:28
Mithrandir(but only if it's over ftp)08:28
lamontMithrandir: because gnome knows you really want to unpack it08:28
lamontand it appears that the final '1' vs 'l' question actually involves a UTF 8 character08:29
danielsbob2: err ... i'll check it out08:30
Mithrandiruhm, isn't memtest86 in the default install any more?08:31
Mithrandirthe package name is memtest86, isn't it?08:31
lamontii  memtest86+     1.30-1         A thorough real-mode memory tester08:32
lamontmemtest86 is like, so, um, ancient.08:32
lamontmemtest86+ has a '+' in the name, so you know that it must be better08:32
Mithrandirboth maintained by the ever-so-inactive Yann Dirson08:33
Mithrandirelmo: please un-PaS memtest86+08:34
lamontsmurfix-proxy... err, pitti:  wanna tell smurfix that  'y q / [ # 1' is what I told it, and it decided lithanian instead of american english08:34
Mithrandirlamont: are you _sure_ you have an US english keyboard? ;)08:34
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torkelI think the merged memtest86 and memtest86+ (and then forked the + version again)08:34
lamontMithrandir: does memtest86+ build on amd64 now?08:34
Mithrandirlamont: built fine here, at least08:35
pittilamont: I tell him when I catch him, it's on my todo now08:35
lamontpitti: thanks08:35
Mithrandirlamont: apart from the Architecture line, but that shouldn't matter?08:35
lamontMithrandir: uh, how about the debian version?08:35
lamontMithrandir: ISTR that memtest (or was that grub...  hell) wanted to be 32-bit mode, and the amd64 tools wouldn't let it.08:36
Mithrandirseems to build with -m32 here08:36
lamontand do you want memtest86+ and memtest86 unPaSed, or just memtest86+?08:36
Mithrandirjust memtest86+08:36
lamontand that should build for debian too?08:36
lamontthat is, if they had amd64?08:37
Mithrandirbut will the build fail due to the Architecture line in debian/control being buggered up?08:37
lamontbut I'm not so worried about that08:37
MithrandirI don't see why it shouldn't.  It's a different upstream version, but barring regressions..08:37
lamontit's more one of, is there anything that needs to change in their toolchain to make it work?08:37
Mithrandir(we're at memtest86+ 1.30, Debian's at 1.51)08:37
Mithrandirgive me a sec and I'll check08:38
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mdzinstall-amd64 successful08:39
Mithrandirlamont: debian/control still needs to be adjusted in Debian, but that's a minor thing.  Seems to build fine, at least.08:39
dokoMithrandir: 1.1.3-8ubuntu1 does have kde support (openoffice.org-kde), but AFAIK it's in universe08:40
lamontcommitted.  elmo: 1.552 has the change08:40
Mithrandirdoko: ok; I'm going to ignore that for now, lest mdz and elmo wanting to kill me in gruesome ways.08:40
Mithrandirmdz: ok to upload new memtest86+ with the Architecture line changed from i386 to i386 amd64?08:41
mdzdoko: universe? it's part of the kubuntu desktop seed08:41
mdzMithrandir: after RC perhaps08:41
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Mithrandirmdz: ok08:41
Mithrandirdoko: you _so_ owe me beer if I have to make an ia32-libs-kde.08:41
mdzMithrandir: I think that would necessitate metapackage/seed/debootstrap changes08:41
dokomdz: ok, it was universe until two days before ...08:42
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Mithrandirmdz: nothing ought to break, but let's wait to be sure.08:42
mdzMithrandir: talk to Kamion about it when he wakes up08:43
pittiargh, keyboard selector still spits out this nasty error message...08:44
pittismurfix: ping08:44
Burgundavialamont: ping08:45
lamontBurgundavia: yo08:46
Burgundavialamont: never mind, problem sorted08:47
Burgundavialamont: was a possible issue on #ubuntu08:47
stonewhere do I report bugs (xvncviewer package ( -listen option))?08:56
mdzok, I have 3x3 successful installs with the current candidate08:56
mdzgood night08:56
fabbionenight mdz08:56
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smurfixlamont: *sigh*. Can you tell me the keycodes of those keys on your keyboard?09:04
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lamontsmurfix: sure09:11
lamontfrom xev, yes?09:11
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smurfixlamont: nope09:14
smurfixlamont: different keycodes :-/09:14
lamonty==29, q==24, |==shift-51, /==61, [==34, #==shift-3==12, l==46, 1==10 (although that last prompt appears to be all utf-8 chars)09:14
lamontfrom where then?09:14
smurfixlamont: console. "showkey". Discard bytes with the high bit set.09:15
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lamontthat'd be really cool.. :-)09:16
lamontbooting a box to look at...09:16
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lamontsmurfix: yq|\[#l1== 15,10,2b,35,1a,04,26,0209:18
lamontalthough I should doublecheck that09:19
smurfixlamont: looks the same as my guess09:19
smurfixlamont: (not having an US keyboard)09:20
pittismurfix: the error message after the keyboard selector is still not fixed09:21
lamontsmurfix: confirmed09:22
smurfixpitti: which error message?09:22
pittismurfix: i. e. press the keys for autodetection, then you come back to the small menu (with the layout name on top), press enter over the layout name and get a big red error09:22
pittismurfix: you can continue installation, and it doesn't happen any more after this, but it's scary09:22
smurfixpitti: I don't get that09:23
lamontso running showkey from an xterm is bad... :-)09:23
pittismurfix: besides, originally my layout was called "Deutsch", after the detection it is called "de-latin1-nodeadkeys"...09:23
pittismurfix: 1. choose autodetection09:23
pittismurfix: 2. press the few keys09:23
pitti3. you land back in the keyboard menu09:23
pitti4. the topmost entry shows "de-latin1-nodeadkeys" and is selected by default09:24
pitti5. press enter09:24
smurfixpitti: which keys did you press09:24
pittismurfix: reproducible on 5 machines09:24
pittismurfix: ugh, the right ones...09:24
pittismurfix: the detected layout is correct, BTW09:24
pittismurfix: it's just the cosmetic, but scary error message09:24
smurfixpitti: not reproducible here, will rsync the current CD and test with that09:26
pittismurfix: btw, that happend already one or two weeks ago09:26
pittialso this seems to be rather platform independent09:26
smurfixpitti: I think I know where it comes from, but need to verify09:27
pittismurfix: also, is it possible to display a more friendly layout name? i. e. "Deutsch" instead of de-latin1-nodeadkeys?09:28
smurfixpitti: Please do tell me which keys you usually press when you reproduce that problem ;-)09:29
pittismurfix: okay, as soon as my ppc installation is finished, I try the live CD09:29
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fabbionenight lamont09:37
lamontsee y'all in 5-6 hours09:37
tausqbye lamont, thx for your help :)09:37
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smurfixpitti: OK, uploaded kbd-chooser_1.09ubuntu16 which should fix the red screen09:38
pitticool, thanks09:38
smurfix(kamion was faster with a translation update)09:39
smurfixI'll figure out what's missing in the US keymap ... again09:39
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pittimdz: ppc/install is fine09:45
pittimdz: the only flaw is the DRC setting in the mixer09:45
smurfixNow why did this morning's X update ask all the f*cking X setup questions .. again ... three times?09:46
smurfix(as did the one before. and the one before.)09:47
sabmochi smurfix, sounds like your not having a good day :(09:48
pittismurfix: erm.. "Press one of these keys: q"09:48
pittismurfix: this is more funny: "| /"09:48
pittismurfix: neither of these two I can enter without shift09:48
smurfixpitti: OK, I'll add rudimentary counting abilities09:48
pittismurfix: does it really need the q for keycode checking?09:49
smurfixpitti: So? just press the key it's printed on09:49
pittismurfix: I don't mind s/one of these keys/the key/09:49
pittismurfix: ah, so without shift?09:49
smurfixpitti: It needs the Q figure out whether you're French or Dvorak or whatever09:50
smurfixpitti: it does tell you when you press shift not to do that09:50
smurfixpitti: though the wording could conceivably be cleared up09:51
pittinow I get the error message immediately after I pressed the last key09:51
pittin d q | [ = z09:51
xueshengby the way, we're still missing a decent X keymap for azerty ibooks....09:51
smurfixpitti: Yeah, there's an internal table overflow. As I said, fixed in ubuntu1609:51
smurfixpitti: That "n" basically isn't, it's some kind of UTF8 glyph which happens to look like "n", so I accept that key via my ugly lookalike table09:53
smurfixpitti: I may be able to tweak the heuristics so that's somewhat less likely to happen09:53
pittioh, if it's required, I don't mind09:53
smurfixneed to figure out where lamont's Lithuanian map comes from, first09:54
smurfixpitti: Well, I could have chosen something that doesn't look like something else, which would shorten the decision path09:54
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smurfixxuesheng: So write one ..?09:57
pittimdz: ppc/live is go09:58
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pitti_livemdz: i386/live is go10:09
sabdflmorning all10:10
mvomorning sabdfl 10:10
smurfixBah, found the US map problem. The alias map doesn't have an 1 / l-lookalike entry, and what the decision tree wants to proceed to the US keyboard is the cent sign10:12
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smurfixFortunately that's easily fixable10:13
pittismurfix: any idea why the i386/live doesn't offer nodeadkeys to me?10:15
pittithat works fine on ppc/install and ppc/live10:15
smurfixpitti: can't think of anything that's different10:16
pittiokay, nevermind10:16
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smurfixI've now found 40 characters looking like 1/l/I. *Grumble*10:26
thommdz: meh. they're certainly all running10:27
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pittidaniels_: ping10:37
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infinityMorning, thom.10:41
thominfinity: how goes it?10:41
infinityI goes in a reasonable fashion.  You?10:42
thomcan't complain10:42
infinityI can always complain, I suppose I'm just more creative. ;)10:42
thomwell, i'm sure i could if i think hard, but in general ;-)10:43
thominfinity: yeah, but you're a whiney yank ;P10:43
infinityMy only big complaint is that daniels and I still haven't found a place.10:43
thomheh. it's not hard. there are these things called "houses" or "appartments". They have a sign outside saying "to let". You go to the estate agent, say "ug. me want see biggum house" and they show you the house. you give them "money" and they give you the keys10:45
infinityNeat theory, but you left out the part where only 1 in 40 of these "houses" look like they haven't been previously inhabited by "serial killers", and the ones that are decent have several dozen "applicants" all fighting for them.10:47
pittifabbione: this CAN-2004-1073 is a beast10:48
thominfinity: see, you should aim the "serial killers" at the "applicants"10:48
pittifabbione: I have the exploit, I modified it according to the mail, it core dumps, but I absolutely cannot find any trace of the setuid program in the core10:48
fabbionepitti: how bad?10:48
pittifabbione: the vuln is that you have a setuid program that is executable, but not readable10:49
pittifabbione: the exploit is supposed to core dump, and the dump should contain the setuid program10:49
fabbioneyes i could understand that10:49
pittifabbione: so that you can read it after all10:49
pittibut I don't find the program in the core10:49
pittifabbione: I try the warty kernel now10:49
fabbionepitti: that we fixed with all the other patches?10:50
fabbionewhile other distro didn't?10:50
pittifabbione: i. e. the original one (unpatched) and the latest security updaate10:50
pittifabbione: I think there was a general misunderstanding and there has never been a patch for CAN-2004-107310:50
fabbionepitti: ok, if you need me to build and test, please send me the poc10:50
pittifabbione: the reporter can use the exploit even on 2.6.1110:51
pittifabbione: chinstrap:~pitti/can1073.c10:51
pittifabbione: start it with a chmod 4751 program as parameter10:52
pittifabbione: and enable core dumps before10:52
fabbionepitti: in a sec...10:53
pittifabbione: don't worry, I try it on an old kernel first10:53
fabbionepitti: is that one the modified or original poc?10:54
pittifabbione: this is the modded one10:54
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pittifabbione: I'm on an unpatched Warty kernel now, go and hack me :-)10:57
fabbionepitti: ehhehe will do :)10:58
fabbioneok i got the poc and a test program10:58
fabbionei can't remember how to enable coredump tho :)10:58
pittiulimit -c hard unlimited10:58
fabbione12 -rwxr-x--x  1 root root 11474 2005-03-30 10:57 hello10:58
fabbionethat's just Hello World!10:59
pittiyou need a 4751 program10:59
pittii. e. the user can setuid-root execute it, but not read it10:59
pittifuck, it still doesn't work10:59
fabbionestrings hello |grep Hello11:00
fabbioneHello world!11:00
fabbionestrings core |grep Hello11:00
fabbioneHello world!11:00
fabbioneworks here11:00
pittiyeah, now it works for me too11:02
pittion pristine Warty11:02
pittifabbione: you tried on hoary?11:02
pittiit didn't work for me on the hoary kernel11:03
pittiI try again with the most recent warty kernel11:03
fabbionewith Version: 2.6.10-3111:03
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pittifabbione: okay, for me it works on warty pristine, warty-security, but not hoary11:15
pittifabbione: but if it works for you on hoary, too, then we are completely doomed :-)11:15
fabbionepitti: on what arch did you test it?11:15
pittifabbione: i38611:16
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fabbionesame here11:16
pittifabbione: I doubt that the assembler code runs on ppc11:16
fabbionepitti: i did just grep for the string inside the core11:16
pittiMoins seb12811:16
pittifabbione: me too11:16
pittifabbione: I did chmod 4701 /usr/sbin/ddcprobe11:16
fabbionepitti: ok11:16
pittifabbione: and used the exploit on this11:16
mvohey seb128 11:16
seb128who broke my xfree ? Instead of my 1280 (75hz?) I've 1024 now11:16
fabbionepitti: i just wrote hello world :)11:16
pittifabbione: strings core revealed some ddcprobe strings on warty, but none on hoary11:16
pittiseb128: hey, my flatmate has the same problem11:17
seb128s/xfree/xorg even11:17
pittifabbione: okay, it's not the worst bug in the world, so let's see what the kernel gurus say to this11:17
seb128rahh, I hate this resolution11:18
fabbionepitti: yes i agree. it's not the worst i have seen11:18
fabbionebut we should get a patch for it 11:18
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seb128anybody with an idea to fix my xorg before I start downgrading ?11:26
seb128daniels_: !!11:26
fabbioneseb128: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg11:27
pittiseb128: the funny thing was that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg after this detected the correct resolution again11:28
seb128lemme try11:28
mvoping jdub 11:29
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mvoquick poll: how do you like http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/update-notifier-panelicon.png ?11:30
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seb128hum, better :)11:31
smurfixmvo: If that's supposed to be an exclamation mark it needs to be more distinct11:31
seb128thanks guy11:31
mvosmurfix: good point11:32
smurfixDo US keboards have the  (Cent) sign printed on them?11:33
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thomsmurfix: the one US keyboard i have does not 11:33
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Treenaksno US keyboards I have have a  on them11:34
HiddenWolfJust the dollar. (me is still looking for the euro sign)11:36
fabbionepitti: got the mail..11:37
smurfixOK, I'll teach the thing to avoid it11:37
TreenaksHiddenWolf: right-alt + 511:37
fabbionepitti: i have -32 ready for upload as soon as RC is out11:37
smurfixHiddenWolf: Here it's +e11:37
fabbionepitti: i think we will have to wait for an USN to fix that bug if there is no patch yet11:37
fabbionepitti: i need to go out 20 minutes and i will be back11:37
fabbionedaniels_: ping???11:38
mvosmurfix: better now? http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/update-notifier-panelicon.png11:38
pittimvo: cool :-)11:39
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smurfixmvo: Better, though I think the exclam's dot should have a separate outline11:40
HiddenWolfHow long untill RC is out? I'm holding off to install a new rig here. 11:42
mvoHiddenWolf: did you got my mail about #7517?11:44
HiddenWolfmvo: I haven't seen the bug recently. Perhaps it was already fixed in gksu11:49
mvoHiddenWolf: ok, thanks11:49
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mvoHiddenWolf: please let me know if you see it again11:51
HiddenWolfmvo: ofcourse, but I'll move to amd64 as soon as RC is out. 11:52
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mvohey dholbach 12:01
dholbachhey mvo :-)12:01
pittiHi dholbach 12:03
Jeeves_ * Handling repository: rsync://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/12:03
Jeeves_@ERROR: max connections (15) reached - try again later12:03
Jeeves_Jups. 12:04
Jeeves_Why is the limit only 15 btw?12:05
dholbachhey pitti12:05
Jeeves_Treenaks: btw, why do I want to become 'nl.archive.ubuntu.com' ?12:06
thomJeeves_: because rsync *hurst* servers12:06
TreenaksJeeves_: because you're nice, and you have heaps of unused bandwidth?12:07
Jeeves_Treenaks: Ow, really? :)12:07
TreenaksJeeves_: well, at least the last part12:08
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Jeeves_Treenaks: Perhaps, but the question is, when is my boss going to send me bills? :)12:08
TreenaksJeeves_: I can't answer that for you ;)12:09
sPoof_mdz: 'morning. Have you had a look at the MoinMoin package(s)?12:09
Jeeves_Anyways, the mirror box has enough bandwidth. But I can't keep the mirror up to date when the master is unreachable. :)12:09
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sPoof_Anybody knows what hours mdz can be expected to be active here?12:15
KamionsPoof_: he's in the Western US; roughly working hours + some12:17
sPoof_Kamion: Thanks.12:18
sPoof_Anyone interested in testing new MoinMoin package on ubuntu (or should I ask somewhere else?)?12:19
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Treenakstry #ubuntu-motu12:19
HiddenWolfKamion: did you fix that amd64 daily breakage?12:22
KamionHiddenWolf: yes, ages ago12:22
Kamion(time dilates during these release things)12:23
HiddenWolfKamion: what was it?12:23
pittiKamion: hi12:23
pittiKamion: is the ia64 CD okay now? or still too big?12:23
pittiKamion: I don't see it any more in daily/12:23
KamionHiddenWolf: same thing it was diagnosed to be from the start :)12:24
KamionHiddenWolf: an archive-copier segfault12:24
seb128pitti: we don't build ia64 for hoary IIRC12:24
mvoKamion: i386 installed fine today12:24
Kamionpitti: right, what pitti said, mdz asked me to stop building it12:24
KamionHiddenWolf: 1 in 4096 chance depending on the combined sizes of the Packages files on the CD, which is why we'd never seen it before - it wasn't amd64-specific12:24
Kamionpitti: er, s/what pitti said/what seb128 said/ of course :)12:25
pittiKamion: I know :-)12:25
fabbionehey Kamion 12:26
HiddenWolfKamion: ok, cool - I'll go and wait patiently for my amd64-install RC then. :)12:27
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fabbioneKamion: btw.. this morning i found a "problem" with archive-copy12:40
fabbioneeither my media are crap or the cd-reader is not that good12:40
fabbionebut basically there were problems copying the debs to the hd12:41
fabbioneand there was no error reported from archive12:41
fabbionegoing into phase2 the installer correctly asked for the CD again12:41
fabbionebut imho archive-copier should inform of these problems 12:41
fabbioneotherwise you don't get to see the issue with broken media until that point12:42
Kamionyeah, I saw your comment - I'm confused though, 'cos archive-copier already does have pretty paranoid error checking12:42
Kamionit's set -e throughout12:42
Kamion    cp -a "$cdromfile" "$cachefile" || \12:42
Kamion        die archive-copier/copy-failed \12:42
Kamion            "'cp -a \"$cdromfile\" \"$cachefile\"' failed with code $?"12:42
Kamionwhich should log an error, present a priority critical note, and exit12:43
fabbionehmmm weird....12:43
fabbionei can reproduce the problem almost always12:43
Kamionbut send me /var/log/installer/syslog and I'll take a look12:43
fabbionei will as soon as i will reinstall again12:43
fabbionefood time..12:43
fabbionei am starving :)12:44
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Kamionjdub: mozilla-firefox home page is still a local file from ubuntu-artwork talking about 4.10 and warty12:53
Kamionjdub: hope that's on your queue to fix before final12:53
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thomi *really* need a kvm12:58
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pittiArgh, I'm stupid12:59
pitti>>> "2.9.10-0ubuntu1" >= "2.10.0-0ubuntu2"12:59
haggailamont: please requeue kdesdk/i386 when you wake up01:00
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mirakI have seen that ubuntu have is own UMS mounting rules. I am interested in having a smaller cache for async transfers, I wanted if it's customisable or if it's depends of the kernel fat32 module 01:01
mirakusb mass storage01:03
mirakI ask here but I shoul ask in the other channel I gues01:03
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mdkeanyone home here? I would like to know how to post a bug on a universe package?01:05
pitti"Use malone, Luke"01:05
mdkethanks pitti 01:06
pittimdke: that is our crack-of-the-day bugtracking system that is now used for universe bugs :-)01:06
fabbioneKamion: is dmidecode available within d-i?01:07
toresbewhat is ".desktop"?01:08
seb128what is ".png" ?01:10
Treenakswhat is ".so"?01:10
pittiseb128: I now have a fix01:11
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seb128pitti: cool01:11
pittiseb128: I stole a Debian version class from sourcerer01:11
mdkek thanks pitti01:11
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toresbeoh, it's a file estension01:12
seb128pitti: python-apt has a apt_pkg.VersionCompare() though01:12
pittioh, neat01:13
seb128for an example01:13
seb128>>> apt_pkg.VersionCompare("2.9.10-0ubuntu1", "2.10.0-0ubuntu2")01:14
seb128>>> apt_pkg.VersionCompare("2.10.1-0ubuntu1","2.10.0-0ubuntu2")01:14
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pitticool, thanks seb12801:15
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pvanhoof How come there isn't a  "/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/build" ?01:18
pvanhoof and which package would provide it, or, how can I build it from source?01:18
seb128Kamion: the "Choose language" title in the installer seems to be not translated in french but the po file has:01:18
seb128msgid "Choose language"01:18
seb128msgstr "Choisir la langue/Choose language"01:18
Treenakspvanhoof: linux-headers-`uname -r`01:18
seb128Kamion: is the current i386 install CD supposed to have updated translations ?01:19
pvanhooflooks like that is working indeed01:19
Kamionseb128: yes; it wouldn't be translated, the installer still thinks you're in English at that point remember01:19
Treenakspvanhoof: it's better to ask "support" type questions in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-nl01:19
Kamionfabbione: there's a dmidecode-udeb I think, can't remember if anything uses it01:19
pvanhoofTreenaks, yes, well.. here they (you) actually answered the correct solution :)01:20
fabbioneKamion: ok thanks. we might need it for multiseat01:20
Kamionseb128: if you go back to the main menu you should see the French version01:20
thomKamion: laptop-detect does01:20
Kamionthom: dmidecode-*udeb*?01:21
seb128Kamion: the description is translated on the same screen ...01:21
Kamiondmidecode-udeb doesn't appear to be in main at the moment01:21
seb128Kamion: that's the screen to selection the geographic area01:21
seb128after the language selection01:21
thomthere's a laptop-detect udeb isn't there? (or did we decide not to go down that path?)01:21
Kamionseb128: oh, it maybe just doesn't remember to reset the dialog title01:22
thomKamion: there's a laptop-detect udeb, but i don't know if anything uses *that*01:22
Kamionwould require some hairy code in localechooser I guess01:22
Kamionseb128: it'll work in Debian because they're still using separate language/country choosers01:22
pvanhoofA few weeks ago I posted a proposal for the quickcammes module, which adds support for Logitec Quickcam messenger, tot he mailinglist. Did somebody picked this up? I've wrapped the module in an easy-to-build build environment and did some bugfixes to it. You can find more information here: http://freax.be/wiki/index.php/Quickcam_Messenger_Linux_kernel_2.6_driver (please forward it to a kernel-packager, it would be nice if it was support 01:23
pvanhoofand a few people already asked for packages)01:23
Kamionseb128: one of your countrymen is responsible for the combined localechooser ;)01:23
Treenakspvanhoof: try that on #ubuntu-motu (they maintain universe)01:23
Treenakspvanhoof: which driver is this btw? (original url)?01:23
haggaiKamion: did another kubuntu test install.  It did use packages off the CD, so that's ok.  Although it did go to the net without asking me for secu updates and the langpack01:23
seb128Kamion: who ? :)01:23
Kamionhaggai: just apt-get update, or actual packages?01:23
Kamionhaggai: oh, and did it install kde-i18n-*? (ignore this question if you did an English install)01:24
Kamionseb128: bubulle01:24
Kamionhaggai: if actual packages, could you mail me /var/log/base-config.log?01:24
pvanhoofTreenaks, it's linked on that page01:25
pittiKamion: will you build a new set of CDs for the RC for any reason?01:26
Kamionpitti: it's still possible, but I hope not01:26
pittiKamion: ok01:26
pvanhoofTreenaks, there's a package for normal Quickcams in ubuntu, however, a) it requires that you still build it (some wieerd way of installing itusing source packages) and b) it doesn't support the messenger (which is slightly different)01:26
Kamionpitti: why?01:26
haggaiKamion: ok you're right it was only an apt-get update01:26
pittiKamion: I fixed a stupid bug in langpack-o-matic that caused old translations to be included in some cases01:26
Kamionhaggai: ok, I can cope with that01:26
pittiKamion: but it's not a real showstopper, I think01:27
Treenakspvanhoof: the quickcam upstream people should agree on a module name and merge, or disagree on it and completely split01:27
Treenakspvanhoof: and then put ALL resulting source in the mainline kernel01:27
pittiKamion: what about uploading them? Shall I do this after RC release, or right now?01:27
Kamionpitti: yeah, people installing the RC will get that fix in updates anyway01:27
Treenakspvanhoof: in the mean time, I think providing build instructions is the easiest we can make it01:27
haggaiKamion: I did a UK lang install and it had a brief error msg about the kde-i18n package01:27
Kamionpitti: can you hold off for an hour or two until I know what's happening?01:27
pittiKamion: "them" == new langpacks01:27
Kamionhaggai: yeah, it's known-broken for en01:27
pittiKamion: sure01:28
pvanhoofTreenaks, I'm not yet going to clean it up (I lack the time). But will in a near future, and propose it to the kernel mailinglist01:28
haggaiKamion: k01:28
Treenakspvanhoof: also, the "originial" official site is http://home.mag.cx/messenger/source/01:28
Kamionhaggai: figured it wasn't too much of a showstopper because American English is comprehensible01:28
haggaiKamion: righty01:28
pvanhoofTreenaks, also .. I don't think the original developers are still working on it atm. and since I needed it asap I decided to do some quick-hacks first. but sooner or later it got in a usable state01:29
Kamionhaggai: (basically I need to make it try both kde-i18n-$LL and kde-i18n-$LL$CC without spewing too many annoying error messages01:29
pvanhoofso I've put it on a wiki-page .. and now people start asking for packages :) thats the story01:29
Treenakspvanhoof: I mailed the mag.cx guy for a while when we were debugging my camera01:29
Kamionhaggai: might still be able to fix that for final though01:29
Kamionmdz,sabdfl: my test installs here are 3/3; I'm go for RC01:30
pittiseb128: it affects gedit, glade-2.0, libgnomeprintui, libgtop, update-notifier, gnome-session, base-config, eog01:30
Kamionpitti: I hope it doesn't affect base-config :)01:30
pittiKamion: wrt. outdated translations01:31
pvanhoofwell, for inclusion in the kernel .. all those ifdefs should or become if's (to let one driver support all logitecs), or be removed (don't try to support old kernels, don't try to support all logitec devices since they are different anyway, etc)01:31
pittioh right, we don't strip it01:31
Kamionpitti: base-config is supposed to be blacklisted01:31
pvanhoofatm the code is rather .. well, ugly :)01:31
pvanhoofI mainly polished the build environment01:31
Treenakspvanhoof: it should be cleaned up01:31
pvanhoofit's okay and it works .. but indeed, ugly01:31
Treenakspvanhoof: so the "similar" logitechs are in one driver I guess01:31
pvanhoofand there's one little bug: you need to rmmod and modprobe after booting your kernel (else you get a black screen)01:32
Treenakspvanhoof: another benefit of a driver being in the mainline kernel is "less breakage on api changes"01:32
pittiseb128: btw, does the live CD give you a correct resolution? That worked for m01:33
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pittiseb128: me01:33
pittiHi elmo01:33
elmohi pitti01:33
pvanhoofyes, well.. but I need time to merge it .. or clean it up (as a separate module), take a look at the current logitech module and check whether this device can easiliy be supported using that, etc etc01:33
elmoKamion: ?01:34
pvanhoofit's something I have on my agenda :). But if you want to join me , perhaps I'll move that agenda-item forward :)01:34
pittidholbach: btw, how does malone perform so far?01:34
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Kamionelmo: yo?01:35
ogra_livefabbione, around ?01:35
fabbioneogra_live: yes01:35
elmoKamion: hmm, nm, it's a stupid question - there's no reason to stop d-i dailies yet01:36
ogra_livefabbione, psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio4/input0 lost sync at byte 101:36
ogra_livei have a lot of this in my dmesg...01:36
Treenakspvanhoof: just tell me how/what I can do01:36
pittiHi ogra_live 01:36
fabbioneogra_live: meh.. if the mouse work it's harmless01:36
ogra_livehi pitti 01:36
Kamionelmo: no, indeed we're probably going to need them still01:36
pittiseb128: odd, the build log says "Publishing chroot-hoary/build/buildd/gdm_2.6.0.7-0ubuntu7_translations.tar.gz for rosetta.", but the tarball isn't anywhere01:37
ogra_livethe new login option should dissapear from the menu on the live cd01:37
pvanhoofTreenaks, well, atm it looks like the make install step is installing the .ko binary in an incorrect location (it's standard kbuild). I'm not understanding why01:38
pvanhoof make -C $(KSRC) SUBDIRS=`pwd` modules_install01:38
seb128pitti: not tried the liveCD yet, I'm playing with the i386 install atm01:38
pvanhoofso thats make -C /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/build SUBDIRS=`pwd` modules_install01:39
ogra_liveif i end gdm after Applications->System Tools->"new login" my screen is locked....missing a password i cant unlock....01:39
Treenakspvanhoof: let's continue on some other channel :)01:39
pvanhoofok :)01:39
pvanhoofprivmsg? -motu?01:39
Treenakspvanhoof: see invite01:39
=== tausq thanks haggai :)
Kamionsabdfl: BTW, yesterday I did that pre-release publish to .pool thing you asked for - though http://releases.ubuntu.com/.pool/ doesn't actually show it yet01:41
Kamionelmo: did you manage to trigger maswan?01:41
ccogra_live: i'd say reboot, and it usually disappears. thats the synaptics just gone wonky. it happens sometimes (and truthfully, its kernel interface related)01:42
maswanDone at Tue Mar 29 22:59:04 MET_DST 200501:42
maswanlast releases sync01:42
maswanwrote 588 bytes  read 3806792168 bytes  1356903.50 bytes/sec01:42
maswanKamion: seems to have worked01:42
Kamionmaswan: wonder why you don't have hoary-rc-install-i386.iso etc.01:43
maswanit was synced in01:43
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maswanit's there01:44
maswanjust not linked in01:44
Kamionoh, nm, I was looking at releases.ubuntu.com, I thought that was still you01:45
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maswanah, no, elmo pointed that back. we're back to se.releases.u.c only again01:45
Kamionelmo: in that case, any clue why releases.u.c/.pool/ is out of date?01:45
elmoKamion: no, frei reckons there's nothing to rsync?01:47
Kamionelmo: odd01:48
elmowhat's missing?01:48
Kamionit's definitely missing hoary-rc-*01:48
Kamionand indeed the MD5SUMS file is out of date01:48
elmoarchvsync@frei:/srv/releases.ubuntu.com/www/releases/.pool $ ls -l hoary-rc-*01:49
elmo-rw-rw-r--    1 archvsync archvsync 646940672 Mar 30 02:49 hoary-rc-install-amd64.iso01:49
sabdflKamion: excellent, thanks!01:49
pittiogra_live, dholbach: I reviewed the CAN db yesterday; there are a bunch of packages that are vulnerable in hoary, but fixed in Debian01:49
elmooh, boggle01:49
sabdflso basically there's a seed, hidden away, and on the day the rsync can be minimal01:49
elmowe seem to have ended up with two trees01:49
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pittiogra_live, dholbach: shall I write them down, and you want to sync them?01:49
ogra_livepitti, that would be nice01:50
Kamionsabdfl: right - it remains to be seen how frequently releases.u.c mirrors sync in practice, I guess01:50
elmoKamion: fixed, resyncing now01:51
ogra_livecc, its always there01:51
Kamionsabdfl: I've changed the .pool filenames so they reflect the state of the release (hoary-rc-*, hoary-release-*, whatever) so that we can have multiple of them at once - only drawback is that that'll cause disk space usage spikes just before a release, but I don't think there's anything to be done about that01:51
Kamionelmo: thanks01:51
pittiogra_live: okay to sync ethereal? this is the most urgent issue, I think01:52
pittiogra_live: what about your freeze status?01:52
pittielmo: please sync ethereal01:52
ogra_livepitti, we freeze a minute before release ;)01:53
ogra_livepitti, as late as elmo allows :)01:53
pittiogra_live: since universe does not touch any CDs or our main archive, it shouldn't matter much :-)01:54
ogra_liveright :)01:54
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sivanghey all02:05
sivangfabbione: do we have a problem with kernel-headers-2.6-686-smp ? it seems uninstallable02:05
fabbionesivang: not that i know off.. i have all the headers installed here02:06
sivangfabbione: hmm02:06
fabbioneah kernel!02:06
fabbionekernel -> univers02:06
fabbionelinux-headers-2.6-686-smp <-02:06
sivangsince when ? :-)02:06
fabbionesivang: since warty?02:06
sivangfabbione: meaning -smp is not officially supported? I don't understand, sorry.02:07
pittisivang: linux-headers, not kernel-headers02:07
ogra_livesivang, kernel not officially supported02:07
sivangpitti: ah ok, thanks02:07
sivangthat was a name mismatch, thanks folks02:08
thomKamion: current daily on ppc looks good here, btw02:13
Kamionthom: cool02:13
thomshould pxeboot ever play ball, i'll let you know how that goes02:13
KamionI think we're just waiting for mdz to wake up and say go02:14
thom(and dear god my ppc brings whole new meanings to the word slow. even the ia64 is faster! :P)02:15
dholbachpitti: would be too charming if you gave us your list02:17
dholbachpitti: malone still encouters backend problems (afaik); bradb wanted to give us the green light at some stage, so we can unleash the users02:17
bradbword-of-mouth is still the preferred way to let people know about it02:18
bradbif it's announced to ubuntu-users, i wouldn't be surprised if it ended up on slashdot not long after, and then we'd be in trouble :)02:19
pittibradb: would be a good test, though :-)02:19
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pittithom: here?02:19
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bradbi don't think it'll help anybody if it hits slashdot before we have 24-hour admin availability02:19
thompitti: yo02:20
pittithom: I started to import the CAN database into http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ubuntu-cve.html02:21
pittithom: please have a look at the "Unfixed issues in main", section "warty"02:21
thompitti: mostly moz*?02:21
pittiand that's not even everything, I just started02:22
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pittielmo: please sync unace02:23
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elmopitti: done02:23
pittiogra_live, dholbach: so are you okay if I request syncs directly rather than giving you a list?02:24
dholbachpitti: should be ok... if you encounter trouble, we'll look it up for you - thanks :-)02:24
pittielmo: please sync maxdb-7.5.00, dillo, and squirrelmail as well02:25
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elmopitti: doing02:26
pittiogra, dholbach: for breezy it might be considered to not stop the automatic Debian sync of universe as early as for main02:27
pittiogra, dholbach: as long as nobody really cares for the packages, they might as well get at least Debian love02:28
ogragreat, but we will also be more MOTUs then 02:28
dholbachyeah... :-)02:28
pittiMithrandir: gah, we really need tbird 1.0.2, unless you want to start a patching hell...02:33
Mithrandirpitti: sorry, I forgot to talk to mdz. :(02:33
Mithrandirmdz: approval for thunderbird 1.0.2?02:34
janielmo, re yesterdays ruby1.8 in main, from what I see librdf-ruby ( redland-bindings ) is in universe so it's only libswig that depends on libruby1.8, am I right?02:34
seb128Kamion: the "Time zone configuration" is not translated here with an iso uploaded this morning. The translations should be uptodate ?02:35
elmojani: redland-bindings b-d's on ruby which means it has to be in main02:36
elmobuild-depends count as much as depends, for determining main vs. univerness02:36
thomKamion: pxeboot i386 looks good02:37
ajmitchogra: 10x as many, I'd think ;)02:37
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janielmo oh ok I looked with apt-cache rdepends. What tools do you use to query ? I'll gladly RTFM :)02:39
elmojani: I use the output of germinate02:40
janiis it accessible to us?02:40
elmowhich is, err, somewhere under people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/, I think02:40
elmoif you google the wiki, for 'germinate' it should tell you02:40
janiok thanks, is this ubuntu specific or just not yet made into the debian toolset?02:41
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janigot it nevermind02:43
fabbionepitti: most of the CAN that are "Unchecked" are actually fixed02:44
pittifabbione: yeah, I'm currently walking down this list and mark them in my db02:44
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pittifabbione: this list is the outcome of my filtering from yesterday02:44
pittifabbione: so far I only threw out CANs that don't affect Debian and Ubuntu at all02:44
Kamionseb128: the translations are up to date, it's a bug in the way locales aren't set up in time for the questions pulled back to the first stage; I mentioned it yesterday and hope to fix it post-rc02:44
Kamionjani: Ubuntu-specific, at least for now02:45
Kamionjani: free software though02:45
fabbionepitti: yes, but some of them have been fixed nevertheless02:45
seb128Kamion: k, thanks02:45
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pittifabbione: I know, these are the ones I mark now02:45
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fabbionei also think that you didn't forward to me some of them :)02:45
fabbionelike 086702:46
pittifabbione: this list will be useful after I finished reviewing it02:46
pittifabbione: 867 is on my list02:47
Kamionseb128: (if you run 'chroot /target localedef -i fr_FR -c -f UTF-8 -A /etc/locale.alias fr_FR.UTF-8' while archive-copier's running, you should get the correct translations; the fix will be to do something like that automatically02:47
fabbionepitti: ok.. let me know when you have finished your review02:47
pittifabbione: so far this is the only issue I didn't yet forward02:47
fabbionepitti: this evening there is a kernel team meeting02:47
fabbioneand we can take a look at the issues all together02:47
pittifabbione: if you have some time, maybe you can look at the SuSE patch for 867?02:48
fabbionepitti: also 0916 (for ia64)02:48
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pittifabbione: uh, I'm currently at -29902:48
pittiwill still take a while...02:48
fabbioneehehe ok02:48
fabbionepitti: i guess i need to get SUSE sources to find the patch....02:49
pittithere haven't been patches at the ML02:50
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pittithese suckers.. :-)02:50
fabbionethey do...02:50
seb128Kamion: nice, thanks02:51
fabbionepitti: i need a break before i can start to work on this right ahead02:51
fabbionepitti: i will work with them together with the kernel team immediatly after RC02:51
fabbionepitti: i am afraid most of this stuff will land in a USN02:52
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fabbioneelmo: if you have time can you kill 2.6.11 from universe?02:53
mdkejdub, ping02:53
truluxfabbione: hey02:53
pittielmo: please sync ethereal, firehol, wu-ftpd, armagetron, horde202:53
fabbionehi trulux02:53
truluxfabbione: do you plan to get the networking hooks for any -subrelease?02:54
truluxfor 2.6.1002:55
fabbionetrulux: no. it will be breezy business02:55
truluxgreat anyways02:55
pittielmo: ipsec-tools sync as well, please02:57
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AmaranthHave any of your read "Improving Application Performance Through Space Optimizations" from Red Hat?02:58
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elmopitti: done02:58
elmopitti: err, not done02:59
elmoethereal is ubuntu modified - okay to override?02:59
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Amaranthwait, i think i remember someone in #ubuntu-motu doing a lot of work on that02:59
Amaranthit might have been ethereal-dev03:00
pittielmo: hmm, that needs a merge03:00
pittiogra, dholbach: can one of you (or a delegate) please merge the new ethereal version from Debian? It fixes ~ 5 CANs03:00
dholbachpitti: will do03:01
pittidholbach: this tool is very famous, so it should be fixed for Hoary03:02
dholbachpitti: working on it03:02
Amaranthnow to remember who was working on it :)03:02
dholbachpitti: so i grab the sid version?03:02
pittidholbach: and merge the Ubuntu changes03:03
pittidholbach: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/ethereal/ethereal_ubuntu.patch03:03
pittidholbach: however, this seems to be out of date03:04
pittidholbach: there is a 0.10.4-3ubuntu2 which is not in the ubuntu patch03:04
pittidholbach: please ask Keybuk to update it03:04
dholbachpitti: yeah i'll use that one, no need for keybuk to worry03:04
pittiokay, really gotta go now. back in an hour or so03:05
dholbach*wave* pitti*03:05
elmorelease.u.c is going down for a couple of minutes03:07
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elmoiz back03:12
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dholbachshould i be able to upload a signed source package to upload.u.c with any ftp program? (i need to restrict it to 12k/s to not break my connection with 7.5Mb upload)03:23
dholbach(dput is afaik not able to)03:23
spivdholbach: trickle would probably solve that.03:26
dholbachspiv: *having a look* thanks03:27
seb128i386 install goes fine03:30
janidholbach or wondershaper03:30
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dholbachjani, spiv: i'll give trickle a go... thanks :-)03:30
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thomKamion: amd64 looks good to go too for me :-)03:38
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maswanhttp://www.acc.umu.se/images/archive/20000712-Nodstopp/index.html?view=DSC00007.JPG <- like that, to implement a "data retention policy". :)03:39
elmowe are now out-of-date clean, uninstallable clean, rene clean, anastacia clean03:39
seb128thom: grumpf, I get this crasher on a fresh i386 install03:39
seb128the gtk/fileselec one03:40
thomseb128: hurrah!03:40
seb128nop, not hurry03:40
thomseb128: well, at least you can reproduce it now03:40
seb128the bt is crap, full of "??" even with the -dbg packages03:40
thomare you only seeing it with firefox?03:40
seb128no, I don't run that stuff03:41
thomKamion: huh. "The hardware clock says the time is now ." that seems like a regression; definitely used to work03:41
thomseb128: hrmph03:41
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Kamionthom: yeah, missing /dev/rtc or whatever it is in /target03:45
Kamionelmo: w00t03:46
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mvohey zyga 04:01
zygamvo: hey04:02
zygamvo: you were telling me about new features for breezy yesterday04:02
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zygamvo: BTW: I've made l10n improvement for update-manager, dates are now printed according to current locale - will send patch later04:02
mvozyga: nice, thanks04:03
Mithrandirhm, is there any sane way to get php4 for apache1 in hoary?04:03
zulcompile it from source? :)04:03
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Mithrandirapart from that, obviously. :P04:04
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pittiogra: darn, Ubuntu's security reputation will suffer from this: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/58038 :-)04:07
zulpitti: in english?04:08
pittizul: CAN-2004-1073 is not fixed although we claimed so ("we" = all Linux distros)04:09
pittizul: but they mention my name in the article...04:09
ograpitti, wow, they wrote it as if ubuntu discovered it....04:10
Treenaksogra: didn't we? :P04:10
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ogradunno, pitti, did we ?04:10
pittiogra: no04:11
ograthats what i thought, but on first sight the report looks like :) 04:11
ogragreat promotion...04:15
srbakerthe new ubuntu theme looks excellent04:17
dholbachpitti: done04:18
srbakeri still don't like the shit brown choice of colour, but it's better than before04:18
pittidholbach: ethereal?04:18
pittioh, I see it on -changes04:18
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elmopitti: dude, ipsec-tools is in main04:41
mdkeis the copy -> close program -> can't paste issue known?04:43
mdkethat is megaserious04:43
Amaranthnot an ubuntu bug, it's a GTK/X thing04:43
Amaranthit's been like that as long as i can remember04:43
mdkeits not like that in warty i don't think04:43
Mithrandirit is, and it'll be fixed, but not now04:44
Amaranthwouldn't be the first time my memory failed me :P04:44
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MithrandirI think you can work around it by using a clipboard manager.04:44
mdkejust couldn't find it in bugzilla04:44
Mithrandirit's probably in the gnome bugzilla04:44
Amaranthsomeone tried to explain the work that would go into making it work properly and i went crosseyed04:44
mdkeAmaranth, uhoh04:45
Amaranthtake copying from gnumeric, for example04:45
Amaranthdepending on where you copy to it'll end up in any number of formats04:45
Amaranthdo you want to store all that in RAM? :)04:45
Amaranthevery format of the copied data would have to be loading into the clipboard manager to make sure you don't lose anything04:46
mdkehow does windows do it?04:46
AmaranthGood question.04:46
mdkemaybe just dumps it in ram as you suggest04:46
Amaranthno, from the sound of it this would be gigs of data04:47
Amaranththey probably don't have as many formats04:47
Amaranthi can see it being the format it started as and text04:47
Amaranthwith MS Office of course having it's own techniques for handling it's formats04:47
mvoping Riddell 04:47
Riddellmvo: hi04:48
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mvoRiddell: I'm just looking at #7395 (no desktop file for synaptic in kde). I guess there is something like gksudo for kde? I think I will add a extra desktop file for kde and it would be nice to have the kde aquivalent of gksudo in it04:49
Riddellmvo: add this to the .desktop file04:51
Amaranthhey, my menu editor got it's own section on ubuntuforums.org04:51
rossAmaranth: in windows if you copy lots of data and close the application it checks if you want to take up huge amounts of memory on the clipboard04:52
mvoRiddell: ok, thanks. 04:52
Amaranthross: hmm, i think i remember MS Office doing that04:53
Amaranthother apps never did though04:53
rossAmaranth: what windows does with the clipboard is well documented, there are two totally different methods in windows04:53
rossoffice just used the new (decent) and old api, other apps only used the older crap api04:53
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fabbionemdz: around?05:01
fabbionehey daniles05:03
danielsfabbione: !!!05:03
seb128hi daniels 05:04
fabbioneand you+05:04
fabbionedaniels: i had to upload xorg -7 yesterday05:04
danielsfabbione: yeah, I saw that, thanks05:04
seb128daniels: you broke my xorg dude, that's not the moment to start breaking configs :p05:04
fabbionedaniels: there is only one line fix in postinst.in05:04
fabbioneseb128: iz gtk buz05:04
seb128ah ah05:04
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Mithrandirdaniels: got my X config stuff?05:04
danielsMithrandir: yeah, thanks05:05
danielsfabbione: yeah, did you get that off the deb I made for mdz on davis, or did we both just come up with the exact same fix? :)05:05
fabbionedaniels: no, i used the message on the mailing merged with the stuff on davis to understand where to apply the change05:05
elmoKamion: ?05:09
Kamionelmo: yo?05:09
elmoKamion: one more mirror to trigger: 'durville.ubuntu.com'05:09
elmokamion: if this sounds crazy, I've updated /etc/rsyncd.conf on little, so you can see what's actually mirroring what05:09
elmokamion: + pls ;)05:10
pittielmo: the next bunch: phpmyadmin webmin prozilla drupal mlterm wine (TIA)05:11
elmopitti: did you see my comments about ipsec-tools?05:11
pittielmo: erm, no?05:11
pittiUbuntu changes?05:11
Kamionelmo: done05:11
elmopitti: it's in main :-/05:11
elmokamion: thanks05:11
pittielmo: argh05:11
pittielmo: okay, then it wanders on my todo05:12
elmopitti: too late, it's done05:12
elmobut I'm so snitching on you to mdz05:12
pittihrm, f**k05:12
Kamionit's not on the CD at least05:13
elmopitti: anyway, syncing that lot now05:13
pittimdz: ping05:15
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pittidaniels: my flatmate experienced the xorg bug too (for the records) :-)05:31
danielspitti: yeah, I've already fixed it05:31
pittidaniels: cool05:31
danielspurging xserver-xfree86 (rather than removing) should fix it05:31
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mvoRiddell: what do I need to do to make kde re-build it's K-Menu (reread the desktop-files)?05:34
fabbioneRiddell: did you see that kdesdk is still FTBFS?05:39
fabbioneRiddell: wouldn't be an option to at least try to build the packages in a clean chroot before upload?05:40
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pittifabbione: it seems that CAN-2005-0916 doesn't affect us05:40
fabbionepitti: it seems or it doesn't? ;)05:40
pittifabbione: IA64 and PPC64 only05:41
_mvo_Riddell: hrm, network touble. did you answered about the dekstop-file reread?05:41
fabbionepitti: meh.. we have ia6405:41
pittifabbione: but not as an official release arch05:41
fabbionei know.. still..05:42
pittifabbione: I don't mind if you want to fix it :-)05:42
fabbionepitti: send me the patch and i will fix i05:42
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fabbionepitti: danke05:43
pittifabbione: gern geschehen :-)05:43
fabbionepitti: that looks so familiar with.. hmmm an ABI change?05:43
fabbionei will look at it after RC, if it changes the ABI we can sneak it later, if we will hit a more serious problem with same effect05:45
smurfixfabbione: looks like it's all #defines, not an ABI change05:46
pittibut the #define is in a .h file05:46
pittiit might be used from outside05:46
smurfixpitti: so?05:46
fabbionesmurfix: i still prefer to double check stuff :)05:46
smurfixpitti: that'd be an API change then, but the binary would still work05:47
fabbionesmurfix: the ABI checker is free05:47
smurfixfabbione: true05:47
pittismurfix: hmm, right05:47
ograpitti, hwdb has 637 submissions since yesterday, i already found 5 of them not using ubuntus hal version (dmidata, processor and lsb_release are missing) heh05:47
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pittinice 05:48
pittiogra: that cries for stricter dependencies05:48
trukuloogra, graveman offically is in sid now (yesterday)05:48
pittiogra: I fix the dependencies after RC05:48
Kamionpitti: is it actually a dependency, though?05:48
Kamionor just some missing information?05:48
ograpitti, me too, hwdb depends on hal, but not versioned yet05:49
Kamiontrying to declare a strict dependency on Ubuntu's version of something will bite you05:49
ograi'll do a >=05:49
danielsogra: won't help if debian gets a newer version05:49
Kamionno, that doesn't help. e.g. if you depend on foo (>= 0.1ubuntu1), as soon as foo 0.2 exists then that will still satisfy it05:49
pittiKamion: I thought about a >=, but well, Debian's version may be newer05:49
daniels0.9.7-1 >> 0.9.6-2ubuntu105:50
Kamionthis is why we need feature deps05:50
Kamionin the meantime it's best to keep dependencies light05:50
ogratrukulo, ok, i'll put it on my sync list...05:50
Kamionanyway simple dependency structures make the whole system more robust05:50
smurfixthe new version of the keymap tree will ask *ten* "do you have that key" questions for people with US keyboards05:50
trukuloogra, have you seen gnome-menu-editor?05:51
smurfixI know how to fix that, but it's definitely a post-release solution05:51
ogratrukulo, Amaranths version he currently develops ? or the CVS snapshot on gnome.org ?05:51
pittielmo: okay, this is the last round: ltris dnsmasq smail smarty (all universe :-) )05:51
pittielmo: I finished the review, so I won't bother you any more. Thanks so far :-)05:52
trukuloogra :) i mean upstream on gnomefiles, forget it, you seem better informed than i am05:52
elmopitti: done05:54
pittiuniverse is in a good condition now :-)05:54
trukuloAmaranth, have you seen that url?05:56
AmaranthI'm sunk. ;)05:57
AmaranthMine still looks better. :D05:57
_mvo_Riddell: can you please /msg me when you around?05:58
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trukuloAmaranth, yours is in python, and that's really good in my opinion05:58
ograthanks pitti 05:59
Amaranththe only feature he has that i don't have and care about is moving menu entries between menus05:59
Amaranthwhich technically should work right now but i've honestly never tried :)05:59
trukuloAmaranth, but the other needs patchs on menu, yours?06:00
Amaranthon gnome-menus?06:00
Amaranthmine just needs pyxdg 0.9 which is in hoary (my patches go upstream :)06:00
dokomdz, Kamion: ok to upload the python 2.4.1 final release?06:03
Kamiondoko: we haven't finished with the RC yet06:03
fabbionedoko: mdz will send an email out when we are allowed to upload again to main06:04
dokook, thanks06:04
dokouploads to universe should be ok?06:04
pittilamont: ping06:04
mdzpitti: pong06:04
thommdz: morning06:04
mdzfabbione: here06:04
fabbionedoko: probably yes06:04
pittiMorning mdz06:04
thommdz: what problems were you having with the bittorrent stuff?06:05
mdzKamion: ready to go?06:05
mdzthom: "connecting to peers" forever, as if there was no seed06:05
fabbionemdz: http://kernelplanet.org/ <- look at the entry of the 29th of March about memset06:05
pittimdz: today I asked for a couple of universe syncs to fix security bugs (blessed by ogra/dholbach); unfortunately I also asked for ipsec-tools, which is in main06:05
fabbionemdz: we could fix all the crap in a batch upload.. or almost06:05
trukuloAmaranth, his program needs patching on gnome-menu : http://manny.cluecoder.org/packages/gnome-menu-editor/README06:05
pittimdz: it's a new upstream version all all that, shall I revert this immediately (with a funny version number) or do you want to keep it?06:06
pittimdz: sorry06:06
lamontpitti: ack06:06
thommdz: huh. when i tried this morning it took about a minute when there was no-one else on the seed, then worked06:06
mdzpitti: does it build and install?  can you test it?06:07
elmomdz: it built06:07
pittimdz: happened only a couple of minutes ago, I'll test it ASAP06:07
fabbionemeh, can't we stop it from enter the archive?06:08
Kamionmdz: yep06:08
pittilamont: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gdm/ claims that chroot-hoary/build/buildd/gdm_2.6.0.7-0ubuntu7_translations.tar.gz is published; however, the tarball is not there06:08
Kamionmdz: ok to publish?06:08
elmofabbione: no, it happened hours ago06:08
fabbioneelmo: ah ok06:08
mdzKamion: CD images, yes; I didn't get as far as testing the DVD images06:09
mdzpitti: does it have any open bugs in Debian that we closed NOTWARTY, e.g.?06:10
HiddenWolfmdz: yay! Been waiting for em!06:10
Kamionmdz: nor did I06:10
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danielsmdz: as a heads-up, new xorg version about to land (another debconf oneliner, affects warty upgrades)06:11
Riddellfabbione: kdesdk looks to have build ok06:12
mdzdaniels: we also have keymap fixes to make06:12
fabbioneRiddell: hmm after another kick back.. sorry i was looking this morning06:13
mdzdaniels: but if you have a version ready, let's get that in first06:13
elmo [TXT]   hoary_outdate.txt       30-Mar-2005 17:06  14006:13
elmo [TXT]   hoary_probs.html        30-Mar-2005 17:06  24206:13
elmomdz: just to counter all the negativity! ---^ ;-)06:13
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Kamionmeh. er, nobody run sync-mirrors on little for a bit, please06:14
trukuloAmaranth, your menu-editor doesn't seem to work here (deleting entries)06:14
Kamionfortunately I took a backup06:14
mdzelmo: and empty anastacia output :-)06:14
danielsmdz: i have a version ready to go now (well, it's building -dbg as we speak), and then i can do -9 tomorrow/friday with keymap fixes (hr/nl)06:14
Amaranthtrukulo: Can you run it form a terminal?06:14
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Amarantherr, from06:15
trukuloAmaranth, of course06:15
mdzdaniels: smurfix made a list for us, of all the keymaps which are likely to have this problem06:15
Amaranthtrukulo: I need to know if Python spits out any errors.06:15
danielsmdz: oh.  where's that?06:15
mdzdaniels: so that we can apply the same fix to all of them preemptively if we want to06:15
mdzdaniels: scrollback about a day06:15
pittimdz: no, bugs are okay06:15
trukulono output in terminal06:15
Kamionyay for cp -al06:15
pittimdz: I test the package now06:15
trukulono errors06:15
mdzMar 29 11:50:44 <smurfix>       mdz: The list is: am ar bg by dz el il ir iu jp06:15
mdzlo mk ml mm mn ru th tj ua uz06:15
danielsmdz: got it06:16
Amaranthtrukulo: btw, the guy working on the other menu editor seems to be a little "passionate". :)06:16
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smurfixdaniels: Actually there may be an alternate solution, but I don't think it's appropriate to try it at this time06:16
danielssmurfix: now is not really the time to be trying new things, i'd imagine06:16
smurfixdaniels: exactly06:17
trukuloAmaranth, could be, i just want give you a hand on this06:17
smurfixdaniels: if you want to have a look, it's at /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg -- just uncomment the definition of $nonlatin06:17
trukuloi didn't tried the other program06:17
Amaranthtrukulo: So no errors from Python when you try to delete?06:17
danielssmurfix: ah, cheers06:17
smurfixthat also has a more exhaustive list than then one I collected06:18
trukuloAmaranth, exactly, no error, with and without sudo06:18
trukuloit writes on .config/menu/applications.menu06:18
trukuloi use hoary updated from yesterday06:19
AmaranthIs it deleted in the editor but not in the GNOME menus?06:19
trukulono, not deleted in editor neither06:19
AmaranthWhat is it?06:19
trukuloit's not deleted in any place06:19
trukulodon't know06:19
AmaranthNo, what are you trying to delete?06:20
trukulokde programs06:20
trukulokooka, kcalc, ark...06:20
trukuloinstalled by kubuntu-desktop06:20
AmaranthThose shouldn't show up anyway. :/06:20
smurfixdaniels: I'd recommend you use the union of these lists for now, and we test whether enabling $nonlatin works post-hoary06:20
trukulothey show on gnome menus in my system06:20
danielssmurfix: sure, thanks for the pointer06:21
trukuloand editor shows them06:21
Amaranthtrukulo: It's a bug that they won't delete but it's also a bug that they show up at all. KDE .desktop files should have an OnlyShowIn line that hides them in GNOME.06:21
mdzKamion: hmm, so what about kubuntu?06:21
RiddellAmaranth: why?06:21
trukuloAmaranth, it's possible, let me check06:22
AmaranthRiddell: Because they're KDE programs? :) Unless they do something a GNOME app doesn't I don't think they should show up.06:22
Kamionmdz: I have no idea where to put those on releases.u.c06:22
lamontpitti: interesting...  no traces of it on the build machine either.06:23
Kamioninstinct suggests they should not be on releases.u.c at all, in fact06:23
haggaiKamion: was there not talk of renaming the images too?06:23
trukuloAmaranth, i'm trying with gdesklets, and doesn't work either06:23
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Kamionalthough releases does have the benefit of mirroring06:23
RiddellAmaranth: if they're installed they should show up, they have no way of knowing if there is a similar gnome app installed or not.  if gnome wants to not show KDE applications is can specify as much in it's applications.menu06:23
Kamionhaggai: not enough to push me into actually going to the effort of figuring out how to do it06:23
haggaiKamion: ah :)06:23
KamionI could do it for releases slightly more straightforwardly, although that script is already a nightmare06:24
trukuloumm, there's something very strange here, Ark is in gnome-menu, but it's not on /etc/xdg/bla-bla06:24
mdzKamion: when I did kubuntu preview, I nearly clobbered the Ubuntu preview :-)06:24
Kamionmdz: yes, I noticed :P06:24
Kamionin fact you did partially clobber it06:25
Amaranthtrukulo: It'd be in /usr/share/applications/ or ~/.local/share/applications/06:25
mdzbut then thom put it back, yes?06:25
Kamionjust one of the torrents I think06:25
mdzso it was a near-clobber06:25
elmoubuntu, kubuntu.. it's all good - the users will never know the diff06:25
thommdz: i did, and then it apparently got clobbered again much later06:25
Kamionthom put some of it back, then I put the rest of it back when thom told me about it the next day06:25
thomnot a huge amount of fun, that one06:25
trukuloAmaranth, it's un /usr/share/apps/06:26
AmaranthIsn't that a legacy directory?06:26
mdzI'm holding the announcement until kubuntu is published06:26
trukuloAmaranth, i don't know06:26
Kamionum, ok then, where should kubuntu go?06:26
mdzKamion: any preference for installer problem reports: ubuntu-devel, ubuntu-users or bugzilla?06:26
Kamionmdz: bugzilla06:27
mdzKamion: if releases is a problem, cdimage is fine06:27
elmocdimage is less good for me06:27
elmokamion: I reckon06:28
mdzelmo: are there any cdimage mirrors which we can trigger?06:28
KamionI'll make it have the same structure. Fractal filesystem layouts, yay06:28
elmomdz: no06:28
haggaiKamion: if it isn't too much effort to change the name for the kubuntu release it might be a good idea06:28
Kamionhaggai: to what?06:28
haggaiKamion: something including kubuntu06:29
mdzelmo: so none that I can add to the announcement?06:29
elmomdz: most don't have space for 160Gb of rarely used stuff06:29
elmomdz: not if it goess to cdimage06:29
haggaiKamion: looks good06:29
mdzelmo: what about releases?06:29
elmomdz: you can add se.releases.ubuntu.com 06:29
mdzthe ubuntu and kubuntu URLs will be separate06:29
Kamionhaggai: I'll see what I can do06:29
Kamionit's kind of nightmare-filename-tastic06:29
elmomdz: unfortunately, triggers are still being setup for the others06:29
mdzsweden, yes?06:30
haggaiKamion: thanks06:30
trukuloAmaranth, i'm trying to delete xsane, wich is on /usr/share/applications , and menu-editor didn't work, nor in menu, nor in menu-editor06:30
mdzKamion: HEADER.html still says preview?06:30
mdzoh, the filenames do too. it's not mirrored yet?06:31
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Kamionmdz: it's not finished publishing yet because I screwed up to start with and had to restore from backup06:31
HiddenWolfkamion, is RC up yet?06:31
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Amaranthtrukulo: I need more info. Post your ~/.config/menus/applications.menu file in a new thread on http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=6706:31
KamionHiddenWolf: please stop the "are we there yet"06:31
KamionI'm working on it06:31
mdzelmo: any chance we can get either a trigger, or someone to throw the switch for a us.releases.ubuntu.com for final?06:31
KamionI will mention it when it's ready, I won't just wander off for a beer06:31
trukuloAmaranth, ok06:31
pittimdz: okay, I tested ipsec-tools 0.3.3-5 with 0.3.3-5, 0.3.3-5 with 0.5-5 and 0.5-5 with 0.5-5 (with authentication and encryption) and querying with setkey; works fine06:32
HiddenWolfkamion :#06:32
elmomdz: I've been trying to contact shane for a while now06:32
elmohe mirrors every 3 hours tho, I think.. lemme check06:33
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mdzthe archive, he does, but not cd images06:34
elmono, that's cdimage06:34
elmobut it's not 3 :( it's every 906:34
elmofor us.releases06:34
mdzso we need to time it just right :-)06:34
KamionRC syncing to mirrors06:35
Kamionnow I have to go munge some scripts in order to do kubuntu06:35
mdzKamion: let me know the URL when it's ready06:35
Kamionyep, will do06:35
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trukuloAmaranth, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=110295#post11029506:38
Kamionwow, even my cdimage arch commit messages are getting bitter06:38
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trukuloAmaranth, file as i posted, without break lines on last line06:38
svenlbuilding cdrecord with the DVD patch applied fails for one easy hunk not applying.06:39
svenli removed the hunk (which changes the warning message at cdrecord start) and it now builds.06:40
Amaranthtrukulo: I need to go for a bit, I'll have to look at it when I get back.06:40
trukuloAmaranth, ok, see you06:40
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danielsmdz: uploaded06:41
mdzsvenl: growisofs in dvd+rw-tools works much better for DVD06:42
danielsKamion: (don't worry about -8 for rc; it's a minor debconf fix that only impacts upgrades from warty -- clean installs/live cds are fine)06:42
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mdzKamion is so far beyond worrying about that for RC ;-)06:42
mdzsabdfl: morning06:42
danielsmorning sabdfl06:42
fabbionemdz: DVD live is ok, i can't test install tho06:43
fabbionemdz: we need to fix the syslinux .txt files for the DVD. They are misleading06:43
elmorepinged shane06:43
fabbioneand they lack the option for live06:43
mdzfabbione: please file a bug so that we don't forget06:43
svenlmdz: well, growisofs hanged my box, so ...06:44
svenlmdz: i didn't do an upgrade in ages, so i am doing this now to try again though.06:44
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mdzsvenl: I use it many times every day, and it works well for me. cdrecord fails to write anything on the same system, even CDs06:45
mdzfabbione: thanks for testing06:45
svenlmdz: i am on amd64 though.06:46
mdzfabbione: maybe after the initial wave dies down, we can publish some DVD images06:46
elmoit's a bit unfortunate we're stuff kubuntu on releases for the first time, but meh06:46
fabbionemdz: no problem.. i just need to find an extra hd to test dvd install06:46
mdzelmo: an extra 3.6G here, an extra 3.6G there06:47
Kamionelmo: yeah06:47
elmo3.6? meep06:47
Kamionmdz: also it completely obviates the speed gain from pre-publishing06:47
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mdzelmo: that's the size of the kubuntu preview06:47
fabbionedaniels: want the bad or the good news?06:47
mdzKamion: what does?06:47
danielsfabbione: neither :P06:48
Kamionmdz: publishing kubuntu on releases at the same time as switching over the hoary/ symlinks06:48
Kamionbut hey06:48
elmokamion/mdz: if you don't want to do kubuntu on releases, that's ok for me too, I don't have enough working+tested triggers for it to matter06:48
Kamionelmo: I've written the code now06:48
elmoI'll just round headless chicken style getting a second cdimage machine going in the background06:48
fabbionedaniels: ok the good news is that the AGP/PCI hang happens only with the binary drivers.. the bad news is that we clearly lose 3D acceleration on the machines...06:48
Kamionand releases do really kind of belong there - I just feel it should be vhosted to releases.kubuntu.com or something06:49
fabbionedaniels: and apparently it is enough to initzialize the AGP ONCE to make it working forever06:49
danielsfabbione: i think 3d acceleration is totally and utterly worthless if it means we have to play some bullshit roulette with the bios to get a basic screen up06:49
danielsfabbione: hmmmm06:49
fabbionedaniels: i am going to retest it again...06:49
fabbionedaniels: i just need a few more minutes06:49
fabbionedaniels: i also noticed a little bug in gdm.conf. the -sharevts should never be associated to the primary head.06:50
fabbionedaniels: in our case is always the one with the lower PCI bus id06:50
fabbioneif not forced differently in the bIOS06:50
fabbionenot sure if we can really detect that06:50
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truluxjust as I've done in -motu:06:53
truluxI'm trying to apply for membership and maintainer"-ship", and I've been told to ask for those who know on my contribution to write something in my wiki page06:53
danielsfabbione: not the primary head, but the first server started06:53
danielsfabbione: else you're switching on to some random uninitialised vt that won't have graphics mode06:53
danielsor just using the current vt06:53
danielsthe non-sharevts one has to come first, then the rest06:53
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danielsfabbione: but yeah, if you look in the current multiarse package on chinstrap:~daniels, that uses pcibustype to work out which card should be the lowest, and always sorts that last06:54
truluxpitti: hey06:54
pittiHi trulux 06:54
truluxpitti: I'm applying for membership, mako told me to ask those who know on my contrib. and work to write something on my wiki page06:54
svenlKamion, fabbione: is the current hoary kernel mkvmlinuz ready finally ? 06:55
truluxpitti: You may be one of those who know it better, if you have time to do so, I'll appreciate it a lot ;)06:55
Kamionsvenl: I'm buried in publishing a release and ignoring all unrelated questions, just FYI :)06:56
svenlKamion: hehe.06:56
mdzthom: I'm having exactly the same problem I described earlier, with the RC torrents06:56
mdzthom: is it only me?06:56
svenlwill check and find out for myself.06:56
danielsg'night all06:56
mdzthom: ah, the tracker is actuall yrejecting it as not authorized; btlaunchmany hides the error06:57
elmomdz: try one more time?06:57
mdz[08:58:06]  rejected by tracker - Requested download is not authori 06:58
elmowhat's your IP?06:58
elmo(same as IRC?)06:59
mdzalso tried from
trukuloAmaranth, i know one of the problems, localisation07:00
elmothere's absolutely nothing helpful in the log.  sigh.  go torrent07:01
trukuloAmaranth, and kde problem related, too, it's because it's on a subdirectory07:01
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mdzelmo: does it work for you?07:10
elmoer, dunno, not really in a position to try07:10
elmoI'm messing with the seeders07:11
mdzit's something we should sort out before we announce07:11
elmoah, hmm, one sec07:11
mdzI think not authorized -> tracker needs restarting07:11
mdzof course thom swore that this was all automated now :-P07:11
elmoright, I've brutalised it07:12
elmoone more try?  and I'll look at working out how to run it myself so I can test too07:12
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mdz[09:13:00]  rejected by tracker - Requested download is not authori07:13
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elmomdz: what is it you're trying to download?07:13
mdzelmo: btdownloadcurses http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/hoary-rc-install-amd64.iso.torrent07:13
elmoshouldn't that, err, be torrent.u.c ?07:13
elmoor is that in the .torrent file?07:13
elmook.  sorry, my ignorance of torrent is showing in embarassing ways] 07:14
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trukulomdz, do you want me to try to download it?07:14
mdztrukulo: I'm quite convinced at this point that the problem is server-side07:15
trukulomdz, ok07:15
elmomdz: ok, at least I iknow what the problem is now07:16
elmoKamion: are you pulsing orcadas?07:17
elmoif so, as what user?07:17
Kamionelmo: yes, as torrent@07:17
Kamionit's what thom told me, and it's not giving me any errors at least, so I assumed that was ok07:17
mdzKamion: there were ssh host key mismatch errors in the logs, for the runs under my uid anyway, until I fixed my known_hosts07:18
elmojames@little:/srv/cdimage.no-name-yet.com/www/torrent $ find . -name hoary-rc-install\*07:18
Kamionmdz: mismatch, or just not known yet? the latter always happens when new hosts get added07:18
elmojames@little:/srv/cdimage.no-name-yet.com/www/torrent $ 07:18
elmothat's the problem07:18
Kamionmdz: and one host key did change07:18
Kamionelmo: uh. fuck.07:18
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KamionI see the problem07:19
Kamionelmo: does orcadas care at all about the structure of that tree07:19
Kamionif I can lay it out any way I like, it's easier to fix07:19
elmoKamion: doesn't look like it does, no07:20
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lamontsmurfix: any reason that the ppc live disk calls it 'lt' instead of Lithuanian?07:21
Kamionthat's a general problem on powerpc, it's picking the AT names for some reason rather than the mac-usb-* names07:21
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lamontlivecd, that is07:25
Kamionmdz: ok, fix in progress I think07:25
mdzwithout DMA on the CD, 5-7 seconds or so07:25
lamontfinally finished, it appears...07:25
lamontpivotroot happened07:25
mdzoh, you said G3. they're slow.07:26
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mdzKamion: say when07:26
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lamontthen again, it could have been the first victim when the writer died...07:27
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lamontmdz: G3 _SLOW_, not 'slow'. :-)07:32
T-Bonelamont: depends on the model07:33
lamontT-Bone: well, that and how much RAM it doesn't have07:33
T-Bonelamont: but in general imacs g3 are *S.L.O.W* :)07:33
lamontstill have blank desktop with a bar across top and bottom (blank bars, mind you_)07:34
smurfixlamont, Kamion: "at" and "usb" keymaps are distinct; since kernel 2.4 there's no longer any good reason for that AFAIK07:35
smurfixthese should probably be unified. *After* sarge/hoary. :-/07:35
lamontsmurfix: definitely after07:35
HiddenWolfsmurfix: after sarge, or after hoary? ;)07:36
smurfixHiddenWolf: Both, if possible.07:36
Kamionsmurfix: mac-usb keymaps are physically quite different from the corresponding AT keymaps though07:37
Kamionthe misnaming is in associating Mac with USB, not in having distinct Mac keymaps07:38
smurfixKamion: Hmm, yeah, you're right07:38
smurfixKamion: still, the distinction doesn't work07:39
smurfixHiddenWolf: For more arguing, I refer you to http://wiki.debian.net/?LetUbuntuReleaseForUs07:40
Kamionsmurfix: and on powerpc keymapper should never be picking AT keymaps, since kbd-chooser wouldn't do that and doesn't have the translations for them07:40
Kamionmdz: mirrors are syncing now; I'm not quite sure when orcadas will be done, though07:41
HiddenWolfsmurfix: I'd rather stay clear of sarge and the touchy feelings around it. But thanks. (I'll be silent now, this is OT)07:41
fabbionemdz: are we go for uploads?07:41
mdzfabbione: yes07:41
smurfixKamion: People do connect standard USB keyboards to their powerpc machines07:42
mdzKamion: ok07:42
mdzKamion: kubuntu is on cdimage, right?07:42
fabbionemdz: thanks.. new kernel on the way07:42
pittifabbione: cool07:42
Kamionsmurfix: regardless, kbd-chooser *does* *not* have AT keymaps07:42
Kamionand now is not the time to mess with that; it can have bad unintended effects07:42
lamonthrm... warty live apparently automounted NTFS partitions that it found.. hoary doesn't.  annoyed brother wants it to mount automatically...07:42
Kamionmdz: yeah, hence the delay07:42
Kamionmdz: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hoary/rc/07:42
fabbionepitti: can you pass by at the Kernel Team meeting this evening?07:42
pittifabbione: depends on when my gf arrives07:43
mdzelmo: can you confirm that the torrents are spooling up?07:43
elmomdz: I'm watching the log07:43
Kamionsmurfix: hmm - actually I take that back, it does have AT keymaps07:43
fabbionepitti: well.. it's at 20:00 UTC07:43
pittifabbione: uh07:43
fabbionepitti: it shouldn't take too long07:43
pittifabbione: okay, I'll try to convince her :-)07:43
fabbionepitti: and we want to discuss the last bits of security for hoary07:44
fabbionepitti: question of a few minutes07:44
Kamionsmurfix: which makes kbd-chooser's behaviour almost weirder - doesn't it need to be able to tell which type of keyboard you're using from the start so that it can select from the right set of keymaps?07:44
fabbionepitti: after that we will start with breezy...07:44
pittifabbione: you mean procedural or about concrete vulns?07:44
fabbionepitti: a bit of everything07:44
pittifabbione: okay, I try to keep the computer running :-)07:45
smurfixKamion: Depends which method you use for key selection. Selecting from the full list uses a two-step approach; the architecture is a low-prio question07:45
fabbionepitti: thanks07:45
elmookay, orcadas is freaking me out07:46
Kamionsmurfix: kbd-chooser already has code to figure out which keymap arch you're on though07:46
elmothe bittorrent clients all have future-start dates07:46
mdztorrents look good07:46
mdzon the client end07:46
pittilamont: btw, any news wrt the missing gdm tarball? was this a one-time or a permanent problem?07:46
elmomdz: ok, i'll leave well enough alone then07:46
Kamionsmurfix: when selecting from the full list, it picks the correct default for that question; so when selecting using detect-keys, it should use that code to find the keymap architecture, too07:47
mdzI have 4/9 live07:47
mdzusually it takes a few minutes for the seed to scan all the files07:47
lamontpitti: no clue whatsoever, but elmo is going to take the machine out and shoot it in the head.07:48
pittihmm, very subtle solution...07:48
mdzelmo: hoary-rc-install-i386 and hoary-rc-install-powerpc are ok, but I get nothing from hoary-rc-install-amd6407:49
mdzstill only the same 4 are working07:50
smurfixKamion: detect-keys doesn't work at all well (yet) when you have a keyboard that's not in the decision tree, so currently there's one combined tree and an occasional not-translated keyboard name07:51
Kamionsmurfix: it's not occasional on powerpc AFAICT07:51
lamontok.  for the record: booting the hoary livecd on a 64MB G3 iMac is not something that should be even suggested...07:51
lamontfinally gave up and booted the install cd instead07:52
Kamionit always selects AT keymaps on my powerbook07:52
mdzelmo: where is thom hiding anyway?07:52
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elmomdz: I think he ran off screaming about how torrent sucked and how he'd make them all pay07:54
mdzelmo: right, so what you're saying is that I should call him07:54
HiddenWolfelmo: lol07:54
KamionI think the tree on little is correct now07:54
Amaranthtrukulo: Still here?07:54
elmoI'm not sure if torrent is still syncing up or not07:54
elmoI do remember it taking a while07:55
trukuloAmaranth, yes07:55
smurfixKamion: I had to drop some keymaps: mac-usb-de-latin1 and mac-us-ext fr_CH1 are indistinguishable from their AT equivalents07:55
trukuloi wrote about bugs on forum07:55
HiddenWolfelmo: torrent for amd64 is live. No peers/seeds tho07:55
Amaranthtrukulo: Ok, what were you saying about localization?07:55
mdzelmo: not a single new one has gone live since the first batch07:55
smurfixKamion: One solution might be to use the mac versions for ppc07:55
HiddenWolfmdz: Where it was saying "rejected by tracker" previously, it now says 'connecting to peers'07:56
Kamionsmurfix: mac-usb-uk is the one I notice all the time07:56
trukuloAmaranth, i'm using [es]  (spanish)07:56
Amaranthtrukulo: I'm pulling the <Name> info from the .directory file. GNOME and/or Ubuntu has it translated for you so that shouldn't be it.07:56
elmough, :6969 says "Internal server error"07:56
Amaranthelmo: tracker is screwed?07:56
trukuloand menu-editor uses spanish names of menus, that don't work on Excludes07:56
mdzHiddenWolf: yes07:57
trukuloAmaranth, wrong, in english it works, not in spanish07:57
Amaranthtrukulo: Ok, I'll make it ignore locale info for .directory files then.07:57
smurfixKamion: Is that the name you're seeing in the kbdchooser main window?07:57
trukuloAmaranth, ok07:57
Amaranthtrukulo: btw, you posted in one of the threads :/ I asked to have it in a new thread on the menu editor forum.07:58
Kamionsmurfix: I'll have to try another test install to be sure, but last time I remember it happening, it initially said "British English", and then after I ran through detect-keys, it just said "uk"07:58
Kamionsmurfix: that also matches the reports we get here fairly frequently from Mac users07:58
trukuloAmaranth, ups, sorry, i didn't read, only post on sticky post07:58
Amaranthtrukulo: I have my own subforum now. :) http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=6707:58
smurfixKamion: Ah. I'll run a diff between these keymaps then.07:59
trukuloAmaranth, i wrote there, on sticky post07:59
trukuloyou want me to start a new thread?07:59
smurfixKamion: That should be fixable easily, at least for the standard cases07:59
Amaranthtrukulo: Not now, I already know the issue. But now that I have my own forum I'm trying to get people to report bugs in new threads.08:00
trukuloAmaranth, ok, i'll note that08:00
trukuloAmaranth, also, i know problem with kde entries08:00
Amaranthtrukulo: Makes it easier for people to see if their bug is already known and it makes it easier for me to read them.08:00
Amaranthtrukulo: Oh?08:00
trukuloit's because kde apps are on a subdirectory08:00
trukuloare on /applications/kde/08:00
Kamionsmurfix: I'm not sure I understand the bug as well as I thought I did though08:00
trukuloand exclude don't work with subdirectorios08:01
Kamionsmurfix: because "uk" is indeed translated in console-keymaps-at, which is included in the powerpc cdrom initrd08:01
Amaranthtrukulo: Oh, because I use <Filename>08:01
trukuloAmaranth, yes08:01
Kamionsmurfix: are you sure cdebconf does the translating in the way you said in the kbd-chooser 1.09ubuntu5 changelog?08:01
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LathiatAmaranth: looking good08:04
LathiatAmaranth: 0.5 ui is definately better than how it is in 0.3 :)08:04
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mdzthey all stopped downloading08:05
mdzif you restarted the tracker or something, it's probably waiting to reconnect or something08:05
mdzbtlaunchmany does a good job of hiding errors08:06
elmoyeah, I did08:06
elmothe tracker's actually running now, which will probably help08:06
HiddenWolfmdz: use btlaunchmanycurses, works better08:06
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Amaranthtrukulo: Looks like I'll have to use full paths for <Filename>, I don't see any other option.08:06
mdzHiddenWolf: I am08:06
mdzthat's what I said08:06
trukuloAmaranth, that would be correct, i think08:06
HiddenWolfmdz: you didn't say curses08:07
elmothat btdownloadcurses url you gave me earlier seems to be working for me anyhow08:07
mdzhmm, I didn't even realize there was a plain 'btlaunchmany'08:07
mdzelmo: once I can confirm that the other 11 are working I'll send out the announcement08:07
HiddenWolfmdz: there is08:07
mdzanyway I'm using curses, and it doesn't display error messages the way btdownloadcurses does08:08
mdzHiddenWolf: is it working for you now?08:08
HiddenWolfmdz: Not yet. I'll restart and see what it does08:08
HiddenWolfmdz: connecting to peers (0.0%) 08:08
elmomdz: can you figlet "USE TORRENT" at the top of the announce, pls?08:09
mdzsame here08:09
elmough, you're kidding, it's still broken?08:09
elmowhat are you running?08:09
HiddenWolfelmo: btlaunchmanycurses --minport 6881 --maxport 6999 --max_upload_rate 20 08:10
Mithrandirelmo: worksforme08:10
elmoHiddenWolf: what URL?08:10
Mithrandirthough, only install-ppc, live-amd64 so far.08:11
HiddenWolfelmo: amd64-install08:11
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elmothat's working for me08:12
HiddenWolf<mdz> elmo: btdownloadcurses http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/hoary-rc-install-amd64.iso.torrent - that url08:12
elmothat too08:13
smurfixKamion: It does, the problem might be that it's actually checking the wrong table. Can you tell me which keys you're pressing in detect-keys, and their keycodes?08:13
elmoboth those now work08:13
elmo(for me)08:13
Kamionsmurfix: will do next time I'm doing an install08:13
HiddenWolfelmo: not here. Connecting to peers only08:13
elmoHiddenWolf: what's your IP?08:13
smurfixKamion: I'll trace what the code does. My kids will have to forego their Mac for a bit ;-)08:13
lamontKamion: archive copier should not be the default on G3's. :-(  this ones opinion only, of course...08:14
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elmomdz: is it still broken for you too?08:15
Kamiondamn, I meant to make the Kubuntu CDs kubuntu-hoary-rc-* rather than kubuntu-hoary-*08:15
Kamionoh well, too late now, I'm not renaming them all08:15
Kamionelmo: 8/12 have started up here08:15
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lamontright. lunch.08:16
Treenaksunless or until? :P08:16
mdzelmo: I have 8/12 live08:16
Mithrandirwhere are the kubuntu torrents?08:17
mdzkubuntu-hoary-install-amd64, kubuntu-hoary-install-i386, kubuntu-hoary-live-i386 and kubuntu-hoary-live-powerpc are not working08:17
mdzMithrandir: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hoary/rc/08:17
Kamionmdz: yeah, same here08:17
HiddenWolfmdz: ubuntu-amd64 install does it for you?08:17
mdzhoary-rc-install-amd64 is fine08:18
HiddenWolfmdz: what's the link to the torrent, I'll re-download to make sure08:18
mdzHiddenWolf: http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/08:18
elmowhy does torrent.ubuntu.com:6969 have same name, different md5sum entries?08:19
elmooh, the dailies, meh08:20
mdzbecause we create many different torrents with the same filenames08:20
HiddenWolfmdz: no luck, no peers08:20
mdzit's OK on the server side, install-amd64 works fine for me08:21
pittifabbione: I really like your kernel release names :)08:21
fabbionepitti: ehehe08:21
janielmo, any reason for a sync from debian not making it to hoary-changes? I cannot seem to find darcs announced there even if you synced it, but I got confirmation email08:21
mdzelmo: kubuntu-hoary-install-amd64 just started working08:21
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pittifabbione: I hope there are enough vegetables for the future08:22
fabbionepitti: they are not just mine tho.. we vote for them :)08:22
mdzk-h-live-i386 and k-h-live-powerpc still idle08:22
mdzelmo: hey, they're all working now08:22
=== Mithrandir is seeding at 1.3M/s, all are working.
Mithrandirdownloading at ~8.8MB/sec.08:23
elmook, yay08:23
Mithrandirthat's fairly decent08:23
fabbionepitti: we will find them.. don't worry :) we have for at least another 6/8 releases08:23
HiddenWolfmithrandir: you're making me jealous08:23
MithrandirI'm actually maxing out my 100Mbit now.08:24
HiddenWolfelmo; what port is the torrent/tracker on?08:25
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mdzannouncement is away08:26
elmoHiddenWolf: the default08:26
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:mdz] : Ubuntu Development | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-love for getting involved | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals | Kubuntu on #kubuntu-devel | Hoary release candidate: http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/
Mithrandirmdz: approval for m-t 1.0.2?  Security fixes; recommended by pitti08:28
mdzMithrandir: ok08:28
Mithrandir(probably something more than security too, described by pitti as "backport nightmare" :/08:28
pittiMithrandir: I mean the security fixes, there are heaps of them, and pretty intrusive ones08:29
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Mithrandirpitti: ah, ok.08:29
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sPoof_mdz: Hi, did you receive my mail about MoinMoin?08:33
mdzsPoof_: yes, thanks08:34
pittimdz: congrats for the release :-)08:34
mdzsPoof_: we published the Ubuntu 5.04 release candidate today08:34
fabbionemdz ++08:34
mdzsPoof_: so I have been busy08:34
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mdzelmo: gah, the torrents just fell over08:34
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sPoof_mdz: oh, didn't know that. Sorry.08:34
mdzkubuntu-hoary-live-powerpc.iso.torrent died 6 times, added to dead list08:34
elmomdz: WHAT?08:34
mdzelmo: ^^ for 8/1208:35
mdzis it only me?08:35
sPoof_dmz: So I didn't make it in time, then :-(08:35
Mithrandirthe torrents have almost died down for me.08:35
HiddenWolfmdz: still no torrent here either.08:35
Mithrandirpushing ~70-ish kB/s.08:35
mdzthe ones where I have a complete copy are still alive08:35
mdzthe others died08:35
mdzsPoof_: not necessarily08:36
sPoof_Congratulations with the release, everyone!08:36
mdzsPoof_: the final release is in 9 days, so we have some time to get moin in08:36
mdzsince it is an alternative and not a replacement, the risk is low08:36
sPoof_mdz: I see.08:36
sPoof_mdz: Then tell me again - what happened today if not the release?08:37
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mdzsPoof_: "release candidate"08:37
sPoof_mdz: grand freeze?08:37
sPoof_mdz: thanks. I am slow...08:37
mdz<mdz> sPoof_: we published the Ubuntu 5.04 release candidate today08:37
elmomdz: I dunno what to suggest, I didn't touch it, I can still see people using it08:38
mdzelmo: never mind, I think I ran out of disk.  yay btlaunchmanycurses for hiding more errors08:38
sPoof_mdz: the new packaging is equal for Ubuntu and Debian (and Woody backports but haven't tested that yet),08:39
HiddenWolfelmo: still nothing here. Do you have any idea what can cause that?08:39
elmogod damn it the torrent software is evil08:39
mdzHiddenWolf: firewall08:39
HiddenWolfmdz: not so for other torrents, and I d/l a lot08:39
Kamiondoko: should be ok for uploads now BTW08:40
sPoof_mdz: What to do now? I'd be happy to throw it at some testers if need be (and testers are there).08:41
mdzsPoof_: I believe the next thing is for elmo to set it up on our server08:43
mdzmeanwhile I'll get it uploaded08:43
mdzactually I think I'd like for elmo to look over it before I upload it08:43
elmomdz: I thought you wanted me to sync it?08:43
sPoof_mdz: I'd like that too.08:43
mdzelmo: that's fine too08:43
sPoof_elmo: sync? Is that another thread than MoinMoin or...?08:44
mdzis there a new URL?08:44
mdzthe package at http://debian.jones.dk/hykrion/pool/ubuntu/moin/ is still called 'moin'08:44
sPoof_mdz: Same URL. I can remove the old parts if that disturbs you.08:45
mdzsPoof_: we agreed by mail that the package should be named differently, so as not to replace moin 1.2.x08:46
mdzso that they can coexist in the archive08:46
sPoof_mdz: Oh - I get it (stupid me) you want a different _source_ name off course.08:46
mdzsource and binary08:46
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sPoof_mdz: binaries have changed. Source won't take me more than 10 minutes to change.08:47
sPoof_mdz: I'll do it right now! (how embarrassing!)08:47
mdzsPoof_: there is still a binary named 'moin' also08:47
mdzoh, I see, that is for the old version08:47
mxpxpodis beagle going to be in the next ubuntu release?08:57
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sPoof_mdz: Should be correct now: http://debian.jones.dk/hykrion/pool/ubuntu/moin/09:12
mdzelmo: ^^ please sync if you're happy with it09:12
sPoof_mdz: Removed old stuff. Added debian dir from source package if interested in a quick look.09:12
HiddenWolfmdz; elmo; I can get the torrent going with gnome-btdownload, but not with btlaunchmanycurses....09:13
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=== smurfix 'd start a torrent seed on my hosted machine if he had free bandwidth :-/
smurfixs/my/his ;-)09:18
mdzmako: speaking of free bandwidth09:18
mdzmako: can you get a seed going?09:18
makomdz: sure :)09:19
seb128mdz: are we in upload freeze ?09:22
mdzseb128: no09:22
seb128k, I've some uploads to do09:23
seb128I've a fix for the gtk fileselector crasher09:23
mdzis there any word on the gamin bug?09:25
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seb128mdz: waiting on pitti 09:25
josueguys, i've got some 600-700GB available in my server, and want to help if possible, but i've never setup a seed.09:25
mdzpitti: ping09:26
smurfixjosue: Just download the .torrent files and tun btdownload* on each of them09:27
josuealright, where can i find the torrent for the rc?09:29
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makomdz: i'm on both of the i386 torrents09:29
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josuesorry, brb09:29
mdzmako: both? there are 4 i386 torrents :-)09:29
makorc install and rc live and ??09:31
mdzmako: ubuntu install, ubuntu live, kubuntu install, kubuntu live09:31
upsjosue: http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/ :)09:31
makoahh.. i'm not doing kubuntu yet09:31
makoi can do that too09:31
makoi'm getting about 1MB/second down on each torrent 09:31
makobut less than 100KB/sec up09:32
makoactually 2MB/second down09:32
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HiddenWolfmako: you're making me damn jealous09:36
makoHiddenWolf: i downloaded an ISO in under 3 minutes once :)09:37
helio7mdz I got the listserv email today & updated my torrents so I'm getting 12 torrents for seeding (kubuntu X6 and ubuntu X6) all hoary; do you think I should stop seeding Warty at this point?09:37
HiddenWolfmako: please, don't be cruel. I09:38
mdzhelio7: Warty is still the current stable release, and many people still want to download it09:38
HiddenWolfI'm maxing out my conn and will have to wait 2:45 for it.09:38
helio7ok thanks09:38
smurfixmako: *grumble* *envy*09:39
maswanmako: that's two minutes too much. :P09:40
zygageez my LAN is slower :P09:40
zygamvo: ping09:42
mvozyga: pong09:42
zygamvo: who is responsible for the artwork?09:42
zygapretty cd + globe icon09:42
mdzzyga: which artwork?09:42
zygamake that: pretty ubuntu cd + globe icon09:43
zygathe icon from update-manager09:43
mvozyga: in update-manager?09:43
mvozyga: michiel (Mitario) created it 09:43
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mvozyga: you may want to have a look at gnome-app-install for that :) 09:44
maswanmako: well, assuming it isn't a full-sized dvd iso, then it is pretty impressive09:44
mvoit uses the icon information from the .desktop files for that09:44
Amaranthgnome-app-install is like a weak attempt at a menu editor :P09:45
zygamvo: good idea :-)09:45
lamontKamion: so that archive copy I was bitching about an hour ago is 64% done.  libostyle109:45
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Amaranthit uses PyXDG, makes it really easy09:45
mvoAmaranth: a interessting characterisation09:46
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Amaranthmvo: It doesn't actually remove the apps, it just include and excludes them from the menus09:46
mvoAmaranth: oh, it does remove the apps (and installs them)09:47
mvoAmaranth: if not, you have found a bug09:47
Amaranththis must not be gnome-app-install then09:47
Amaranthbecause it doesn't even run with sudo09:47
Amaranthno, it's the right app09:48
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zygadoes freedesktop.org specifies how to lookup correct icon file?09:48
Amaranthzyga: are you using Python? :)09:48
zygaAmaranth: that depends ;] 09:49
zygaAmaranth: currently - yes, in general - no09:49
Amaranthpython-xdg makes it all very simple09:49
janielmo ping09:49
zygaAmaranth: interesting09:50
zygaAmaranth: that's a separate library I assume09:50
fabbioneKernel Team meeting on #ubuntu-meeting will start in 10 minutes09:50
Amaranthfabbione: mind if i watch?09:51
zygais there any way to check if it's present before trying to load it?09:51
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zygaI'd like not have to depend on it09:51
fabbioneAmaranth: everybody can watch and partecipate, but stay on topic09:51
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Amaranthzyga: It's in main09:53
mdzmako: can I ask in advance for a Hoary final release announcement?  I think sabdfl will want to review and revise as well09:53
Amaranthzyga: it's even a part of ubuntu-desktop, iirc09:53
zygaAmaranth: I've just looked it up09:54
zygaAmaranth: thanks that's going to be very interesting :)09:54
janielmo, can you add my GPG key to the ring please?09:56
janiJani Monoses09:56
janiI did an upload but seems it was ignored so I supposed I have no permission yet09:56
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fabbioneKernel Team meeting on #ubuntu-meeting will start now09:59
lamonthrm.. red on magenta is hard to read.10:00
lamontreally should fix that connector10:00
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lamonthrm.. easy enough to check in a few.10:02
elmojani: what's your key id?10:06
jania moment10:06
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HiddenWolfUgh. I'm guessing you can't install from the livecd?10:12
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HiddenWolffuck, then I've been downing the wrong ISO10:13
elmosmurfix: ?10:15
elmojani: ok, one sec10:15
elmosmurfix: nm10:16
smurfixelmo: !10:16
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pittinight everybody10:28
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HiddenWolfelmo; mdz; if you want people to use the torrents if they can, you should consider linking the bolded links in the wiki to the torrent, rather than the iso10:32
mdzHiddenWolf: what bolded links in the wiki?10:32
elmodoko: err, "-0" ?10:33
dokohmm, yes, will change it, but it's the correct package.10:35
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lamontwoot... 90 minutes into archive-copier, and 70% done.10:36
lamontso if I rip 90% of these locales out of /etc/locale.gen, and regen, will the next lang-pack update recreate them, I wonder???10:37
Mithrandiryes, and it's a bug and pitti has been made aware of it10:38
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fabbionemdz: ping?10:54
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lamontdaily*/current are the RC bits, yes?11:15
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janielmo, if you have time today https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUToSync, second row, the xfce4.2 upgrade, thank11:30
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