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| Flonne | Are you available to review the howto before I add it to the Wiki, Burgundavia? | 01:59 |
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| Burgundavia | just throw it up there | 01:59 |
| Burgundavia | I can review on the wiki | 01:59 |
| Flonne | All right. I'll strip out the DocBook stuff and link to it ASAP. | 02:00 |
| Burgundavia | docbook is nice | 02:02 |
| Burgundavia | send that to the list also | 02:02 |
| Flonne | That's what I planned to do. :) | 02:03 |
| Flonne | I just wanted to get any bugs worked out before that. | 02:03 |
| mdke | hi dudes | 02:04 |
| Flonne | Hi. | 02:04 |
| Burgundavia | salut | 02:06 |
| mdke | yo | 02:06 |
| mdke | how are things? | 02:06 |
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| jsgotangco | hello | 02:29 |
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| jsgotangco | hello | 03:22 |
| mdke | hi jsgotangco avanspronsen | 03:22 |
| avanspronsen | hello | 03:22 |
| avanspronsen | how is everyone? | 03:23 |
| mdke | gd thanks you? | 03:23 |
| jsgotangco | im back to work after a week of flu | 03:23 |
| jsgotangco | :) | 03:23 |
| mdke | :) | 03:23 |
| avanspronsen | good...this is my first visit to this channel. I am bit of a linux newb but love linux and Ubuntu. | 03:24 |
| mdke | welcome avanspronsen | 03:24 |
| avanspronsen | I am just trying to find out how I can help. | 03:24 |
| mdke | you're not as much of a n00b as i am | 03:25 |
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| avanspronsen | hmmm, really? | 03:25 |
| mdke | yep | 03:26 |
| jsgotangco | welcome :) we are all learning | 03:26 |
| avanspronsen | why? :-) | 03:26 |
| mdke | i don't know programming | 03:26 |
| mdke | or system admin | 03:26 |
| avanspronsen | me niether, but I am s sysadmin, most windows, but I run hoary on my laptop and warty on a couple of servers | 03:27 |
| mdke | :) | 03:27 |
| mdke | welcome to the team | 03:27 |
| avanspronsen | I can my hands on older hardware so I could help test installs, doc installs, etc | 03:28 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: do you happen to know where the moin 1.3 stuff are located in the wiki if its already there? | 03:28 |
| mdke | no idea | 03:28 |
| mdke | lets see | 03:28 |
| mdke | don't think its there | 03:29 |
| jsgotangco | i do sysadmin stuff too | 03:32 |
| mdke | brb restarting X | 03:32 |
| avanspronsen | linux sysadmin? | 03:33 |
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| jsgotangco | well thats one, but i do handle windows and solaris at work as well | 03:34 |
| jsgotangco | need to be jack of all trades hehe | 03:34 |
| avanspronsen | we are windows but I have one linux server, running warty, that I am doing some proof of concept work on | 03:35 |
| jsgotangco | our intranet runs on warty now | 03:35 |
| jsgotangco | with plone and moin | 03:35 |
| avanspronsen | cool, how big is the company? | 03:35 |
| jsgotangco | not so big, 400+ people in a manufacturing facility | 03:36 |
| avanspronsen | cool | 03:36 |
| mdke | not bad! | 03:36 |
| jsgotangco | yeah not bad really | 03:36 |
| avanspronsen | smaller can be good, much more nimble | 03:37 |
| avanspronsen | less politics | 03:37 |
| avanspronsen | how many servers do you look after? | 03:38 |
| jsgotangco | 6 servers half of which is linux | 03:38 |
| jsgotangco | one of the linux servers run oracle on rhel | 03:39 |
| avanspronsen | nice | 03:39 |
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| jsgotangco | we do have plans to move the 2 win2003 servers to linux when it becomes EOL though | 03:39 |
| avanspronsen | do you do doc work for Ubuntu? | 03:40 |
| jsgotangco | but that would be a long long time | 03:40 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 03:40 |
| jsgotangco | i do wiki stuff at the moment because im still getting my feet wet on docbook | 03:40 |
| avanspronsen | how do you get started? | 03:40 |
| mdke | there are some docteam pages on the wiki | 03:41 |
| mdke | some of em are quite helpful | 03:41 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 03:41 |
| mdke | right i'm off to bed | 03:41 |
| mdke | g'night all | 03:41 |
| jsgotangco | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepRepository | 03:41 |
| jsgotangco | try this one | 03:41 |
| avanspronsen | I took a quivk look, I will go back and have a closerlook | 03:41 |
| avanspronsen | ok | 03:41 |
| avanspronsen | night mdke | 03:42 |
| jsgotangco | night mdke | 03:42 |
| avanspronsen | :-) | 03:42 |
| Flonne | Burgundavia, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows (Please let me know about any changes so I can apply them to the .xml before submitting it.) | 03:56 |
| Burgundavia | I would drop the stuff about grub | 04:01 |
| Burgundavia | s/grub/lilo | 04:02 |
| Burgundavia | who cares | 04:02 |
| Burgundavia | does it work? | 04:02 |
| Flonne | Well, I still have to check the LiveCD, which I'm doing now... | 04:03 |
| Burgundavia | I would seperate out the howto and the explanation | 04:03 |
| Burgundavia | list what you need to do | 04:03 |
| Burgundavia | then have an explanation at the bottom | 04:03 |
| Burgundavia | so the how to becomes | 04:04 |
| Burgundavia | 1. do a | 04:04 |
| Burgundavia | 2. go to 1 | 04:04 |
| Burgundavia | etc. | 04:04 |
| Burgundavia | and then it says | 04:04 |
| Burgundavia | explanation | 04:04 |
| Burgundavia | you do a become b is borked | 04:04 |
| Burgundavia | s/become/because | 04:04 |
| Burgundavia | but otherwise excellent work | 04:05 |
| Flonne | I'm not entirely sure how that stuff can be separated. | 04:05 |
| Flonne | It's quite conditional, and not everyone has the same partition structure. | 04:05 |
| Burgundavia | true | 04:06 |
| Burgundavia | another thought might be to make it more conditional | 04:07 |
| Burgundavia | ie, if you overwrite your mbr with windows, you only need to reinstall grub | 04:07 |
| Burgundavia | you don't need to tweak your menu.lst | 04:07 |
| Burgundavia | thus maybe say | 04:07 |
| Burgundavia | if this happens | 04:07 |
| Burgundavia | do 1, 2 and 3 | 04:07 |
| Burgundavia | if this happens | 04:08 |
| Burgundavia | do 1 and 2 | 04:08 |
| Flonne | That makes sense. | 04:08 |
| Burgundavia | ideally a howto should not dive into anything that doesn't help the person right now | 04:09 |
| jsgotangco | that's a simple way to explain a howto | 04:10 |
| jsgotangco | i like that | 04:10 |
| Burgundavia | we can probably safely assume that 95% of people are simply going to overwriting their grub in the mbr | 04:11 |
| Flonne | I'm used to focusing on unusual circumstances, since those cases tend to be the ones that drive users to mailing lists. | 04:15 |
| Flonne | I'mm try to emphasize the simple stuff, though. | 04:15 |
| Burgundavia | I wouldn | 04:16 |
| Burgundavia | t focus on the unusal actually | 04:16 |
| Burgundavia | I would focus on the 95% cases | 04:16 |
| Burgundavia | those are the ones that we really can rights docs for | 04:16 |
| Burgundavia | the rest we can deal with in person | 04:16 |
| jsgotangco | ive read through it though and I think it applies to general users | 04:17 |
| jsgotangco | well not to general in a sense about ability | 04:17 |
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| jsgotangco | hi Skywind | 04:56 |
| Flonne | There. Tested with the Ubuntu LiveCD, the Knoppix LiveCD, the Gentoo LiveCD, the Arch LiveCD, and System Rescue CD, with RAID, and both NT5 and 9x. | 05:15 |
| Flonne | It's also simpler, more to the point, and reads a little better. | 05:16 |
| Burgundavia | Flonne: nice work | 05:17 |
| Flonne | Now to study... | 05:17 |
| Flonne | Eek. The Kubuntu 3.4 package doesn't have a pretty Kubuntu wallpaper by default. | 05:30 |
| Flonne | Its wallpaper is pretty, but it isn't Kubuntu pretty. | 05:30 |
| Flonne | It also seems to have forgotten my transparency settings, though it retained details like font anti-aliasing. | 05:31 |
| Burgundavia | Flonne: there is a kde-artwork package or something for that | 05:46 |
| jsgotangco | i will probably try downloading the kubuntu-base stuff soon | 05:48 |
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| jsgotangco | greetings froud | 09:42 |
| froud | jsgotangco: hi | 09:48 |
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| jsgotangco | froud: u got a minute? | 10:03 |
| froud | yup | 10:04 |
| jsgotangco | how does one start a translation project with a po file? where do i find it? | 10:04 |
| froud | translation of what? | 10:05 |
| jsgotangco | let's say quickguide.xml for starters | 10:05 |
| froud | The en pot file is in svn | 10:05 |
| froud | then follow http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-i18n/2004-September/msg00106.html | 10:06 |
| froud | basically you generate a po from the pot | 10:06 |
| froud | you can do cp enfile.pot > langfile.po | 10:07 |
| froud | in the case of quick guide cp quickguide.xml > quickguide-<lang>.po | 10:07 |
| froud | ooops | 10:08 |
| froud | in the case of quick guide cp quickguide.pot > quickguide-<lang>.po | 10:08 |
| froud | the you translate | 10:09 |
| froud | msgid "Welcome to Ubuntu Linux &distro-rev;: The &distro-version; Release." | 10:09 |
| froud | msgstr "" | 10:09 |
| froud | your lang text goes in msgstr "" | 10:09 |
| froud | example | 10:09 |
| froud | msgid "Welcome to Ubuntu Linux &distro-rev;: The &distro-version; Release." | 10:09 |
| froud | msgstr "Bienvenue sur la version &distro-rev; d'Ubuntu Linux : &distro-version;." | 10:09 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 10:10 |
| froud | when finished send us the lang po file | 10:10 |
| jsgotangco | from what i understand | 10:10 |
| jsgotangco | i generate the po file from the xml file | 10:10 |
| froud | no you already have the pot file from us | 10:10 |
| froud | we made a pot file for quick guide | 10:11 |
| jsgotangco | i just have to get it from svn? | 10:11 |
| froud | do you have a working copy of svn | 10:11 |
| jsgotangco | i have ubuntu-docs at the moment | 10:11 |
| froud | you should do a checkout on our trunk | 10:11 |
| froud | no no dont do it there | 10:12 |
| froud | do it in repos | 10:12 |
| froud | do you have subversion installed | 10:12 |
| jsgotangco | i do | 10:12 |
| froud | ok so now cd to the directory you want to make your working copy in | 10:12 |
| froud | then | 10:13 |
| froud | svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk ubuntu-docs | 10:13 |
| froud | that will create the folder called ubuntu-docs/ and add the files in trunk/ to it | 10:13 |
| froud | this is called your working copy | 10:13 |
| froud | work there | 10:14 |
| jsgotangco | should this be separate from the existing ubuntu-docs? | 10:14 |
| froud | the repos is the source of ubuntu-doc pacjages | 10:14 |
| froud | we build ubuntu-doc from the repos | 10:14 |
| froud | once you have the repos you can build ubuntu-docs | 10:15 |
| froud | anytime you like | 10:15 |
| froud | and install the packages | 10:15 |
| froud | this is how we test our packages | 10:15 |
| froud | at intervals like yesterday, we upload to the seed | 10:16 |
| froud | so once you have the repos trunk/ | 10:16 |
| froud | just cd quickguide/ | 10:16 |
| froud | then cp quickguide.pot > quickguide-<lang>.po | 10:17 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm | 10:17 |
| jsgotangco | i did this before | 10:17 |
| froud | but before you go doing work check that none of the translation groups are not already busy doing a translation for the target language you want to work on | 10:17 |
| jsgotangco | let me just refresh my trunk | 10:17 |
| froud | do svn up | 10:18 |
| froud | in trunk | 10:18 |
| froud | before starting work, always do svn up from your working copy trunk | 10:18 |
| froud | many people work on the repos | 10:19 |
| froud | it is the hub for al lof us | 10:19 |
| froud | each has a working copy | 10:19 |
| froud | each hacks their copy | 10:19 |
| jsgotangco | is the trunk the same as that in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepRepository | 10:19 |
| froud | and either commits or makes patches and submits them | 10:19 |
| froud | That is an intruction on how to get started | 10:20 |
| froud | yes | 10:20 |
| jsgotangco | then i have this already | 10:20 |
| froud | this is what I just explained to you | 10:20 |
| jsgotangco | ill just svn up | 10:20 |
| froud | ok so then cd to the trunk/ | 10:20 |
| froud | i.e. make trunk your pwd | 10:21 |
| froud | then svn up | 10:21 |
| jsgotangco | it says At revision 788 | 10:21 |
| froud | Ok now ls quickguide/ | 10:21 |
| jsgotangco | oh there's the pot now | 10:21 |
| froud | ls quickguide/ | 10:21 |
| froud | quickguide.pot quickguide.xml VERSION | 10:21 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 10:22 |
| froud | cd quickguide | 10:22 |
| froud | cp quickguide.pot > quickguide-<lang>.po | 10:22 |
| froud | what lang are you going to do? | 10:23 |
| jsgotangco | oh i was thinking of doing filipino | 10:23 |
| jsgotangco | its not a complicated language | 10:23 |
| froud | Hmm what's the abbrev for that | 10:23 |
| jsgotangco | i think its tl | 10:23 |
| jsgotangco | (tagalog) | 10:23 |
| froud | I guess I am not sure | 10:24 |
| jsgotangco | i will just check anyway | 10:24 |
| froud | cp quickguide.pot > quickguide-tl.po | 10:24 |
| froud | when you have finished translating | 10:24 |
| froud | you make a patch | 10:24 |
| froud | do you know how | 10:24 |
| jsgotangco | no | 10:25 |
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| jsgotangco | how come my po fileis empty? | 10:26 |
| froud | cp quickguide.pot quickguide-tl.po | 10:27 |
| froud | dont put the > | 10:27 |
| froud | I was trying to say copy file1 to file2 | 10:28 |
| jsgotangco | i got it right this time | 10:28 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 10:28 |
| jsgotangco | ok | 10:28 |
| froud | edit your file | 10:28 |
| froud | then before you make the patch do svn up | 10:28 |
| jsgotangco | i start editing on msgstr"" right | 10:28 |
| froud | then svn status | 10:28 |
| froud | yes | 10:28 |
| jsgotangco | o i start first on one line | 10:29 |
| froud | yes work in a logical manner | 10:30 |
| froud | when you are done just mail the file to the list | 10:30 |
| froud | we will commit it | 10:30 |
| froud | then you can do another svn up | 10:30 |
| jsgotangco | what happened to the patching and stuff | 10:30 |
| froud | let's not complicate it for you now | 10:30 |
| jsgotangco | hehe ok i will try this first | 10:30 |
| froud | it's enough to handle what you have got | 10:31 |
| froud | btw, thanks for the help | 10:31 |
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| jsgotangco | thank you for teaching me as well | 10:32 |
| jsgotangco | i'll check this out first | 10:32 |
| froud | pleasure | 10:37 |
| jsgotangco | just one question | 10:40 |
| jsgotangco | lets say i get to finish this i just send this do ubuntu-doc-commit? | 10:40 |
| Burgundavia | nope | 10:41 |
| Burgundavia | send to ubuntu-doc | 10:41 |
| froud-work | no to ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com | 10:41 |
| froud-work | Burgundavia: snap :-) | 10:41 |
| Burgundavia | doc-commit is driven out of the svn commits | 10:41 |
| jsgotangco | ok i;m subscribed to that | 10:41 |
| jsgotangco | ok im sold on this pot thing its so easy at the moment | 11:01 |
| jsgotangco | bbl reboot x | 11:13 |
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| jsgotangco | bbl | 11:40 |
| mdke | hi all | 12:50 |
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| mdke | hows it going? | 12:50 |
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| mdke | :( | 12:51 |
| mdke | the current system is for translated po files to be posted to the list right? | 12:51 |
| froud-work | yep | 12:51 |
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| mdke | ok:) | 12:52 |
| froud-work | back | 01:07 |
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| HostingGeek | mdke: lauchpad.. | 01:15 |
| HostingGeek | malone persificly | 01:16 |
| froud-work | HostingGeek: excuse my ignorance what is launchpad | 01:17 |
| mdke | HostingGeek, thanks yeah i filed it | 01:17 |
| mdke | froud-work, launchpad.ubuntu.com | 01:17 |
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| froud-work | Huh another site | 01:17 |
| mdke | that's where rosetta is | 01:17 |
| froud-work | Ah ha | 01:18 |
| trickie | mdke, is there a way to get a closer look at rosetta? | 01:19 |
| mdke | you were saying on the list that you couldn't figure out how to get an account with rosetta? | 01:19 |
| trickie | mdke, yeah that was me | 01:19 |
| mdke | did you mean just a normal user account? | 01:19 |
| mdke | hi trickie | 01:19 |
| trickie | froud-work, i just added a 'make trans' that will convert .po files back to xml | 01:19 |
| trickie | mdke, yeah | 01:19 |
| mdke | trickie, just log in | 01:19 |
| mdke | its all part of ubuntu | 01:20 |
| froud-work | trickie: hello thanks will take alook | 01:20 |
| trickie | i went to make an account and i get an error when i click link in an email | 01:20 |
| mdke | trickie, you have an account | 01:20 |
| trickie | ah | 01:20 |
| trickie | me = stupid | 01:20 |
| trickie | :) | 01:20 |
| mdke | lol | 01:20 |
| mdke | trickie, btw is there a deadline for sending back translations? | 01:20 |
| trickie | mdke, i don't know | 01:21 |
| mdke | well that means no doesn't it? | 01:21 |
| mdke | lol | 01:21 |
| trickie | mdke, i can never really get a an answer if iask exactly when it has to be done by' | 01:21 |
| mdke | fair enough | 01:21 |
| froud-work | trickie: nice one mate :-) | 01:27 |
| froud-work | trickie: but how to manage diffs | 01:28 |
| froud-work | say I edit quick guide and I update the po files | 01:29 |
| mdke | omg | 01:30 |
| mdke | don't tell me you are changing the docs still | 01:30 |
| froud-work | mdke: no, but what happens next release? | 01:31 |
| mdke | oh phew | 01:31 |
| trickie | froud-work, yeah i have been trying to think of a way around that | 01:31 |
| froud-work | the i18n team should not have to retranslate stuff that remaine dthe same | 01:31 |
| mdke | good thinking | 01:31 |
| froud-work | trickie: did you look at http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-i18n/2004-September/msg00106.html | 01:31 |
| froud-work | the prcess is explained | 01:31 |
| froud-work | I think we should standardize on xml2pot / xml2po | 01:32 |
| trickie | froud-work, can you merge the .po files with msgmerge ?? | 01:33 |
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| froud-work | yes | 01:33 |
| froud-work | basic gettext | 01:33 |
| froud-work | but xml2po takes consideration of the XML | 01:34 |
| froud-work | essentially it can handle the entire process | 01:34 |
| froud-work | right? | 01:34 |
| trickie | froud-work, yep ok | 01:34 |
| trickie | i'll fix it up soon | 01:34 |
| froud-work | your script is good though | 01:35 |
| trickie | froud-work, he he thanks | 01:35 |
| trickie | been trying to blow my mind with some perl lately | 01:35 |
| froud-work | perhaps can invoke xml2po with $ from your script | 01:35 |
| trickie | yep | 01:35 |
| froud-work | I wish there was a pure xsl solution for this | 01:36 |
| trickie | i gotta shoot... i will make the changes soon | 01:36 |
| froud-work | ok | 01:36 |
| mdke | bye | 01:36 |
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| trickie | mdke, see ya | 01:36 |
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| froud | hoary's release date has been moved from 6th to 8th | 03:12 |
| froud | April | 03:12 |
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| mdke | anyone home? | 04:29 |
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| sabmoc | do <section> blocks need to be nested eg<section><section><section></section></section></section> ? or can I just go like this <></><></><></> | 04:56 |
| sabmoc | or are both acceptable | 04:57 |
| froud | sabmoc: sections are nested | 05:02 |
| froud | sabmoc: here is an example | 05:04 |
| froud | <article> | 05:04 |
| froud | <title>Article Title</title> | 05:04 |
| froud | <section> | 05:04 |
| froud | <title>Section1 Title</title> | 05:04 |
| froud | <para>Text</para> | 05:04 |
| froud | <section> | 05:04 |
| froud | <title>Section 1.1 Title</title> | 05:04 |
| froud | <para>Text</para> | 05:05 |
| froud | </section> | 05:05 |
| froud | <section> | 05:05 |
| froud | <title>Section 1.2 Title</title> | 05:05 |
| froud | <para>Text</para> | 05:05 |
| froud | </section> | 05:05 |
| froud | </section> | 05:05 |
| froud | <section> | 05:05 |
| froud | <title>Section2 Title</title> | 05:05 |
| froud | <para>Text</para> | 05:05 |
| froud | <section> | 05:05 |
| froud | <title>Section 2.1 Title</title> | 05:05 |
| froud | <para>Text</para> | 05:05 |
| froud | </section> | 05:05 |
| froud | <section> | 05:05 |
| froud | <title>Section 2.2 Title</title> | 05:06 |
| froud | <para>Text</para> | 05:06 |
| froud | </section> | 05:06 |
| froud | </section> | 05:06 |
| froud | </article> | 05:06 |
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| dand | hello. what's the proper place for asking about website translation? | 05:20 |
| froud | dand: I have no idea | 05:57 |
| === froud wonders why claude disappeared so fast | ||
| mdke | lol | 06:13 |
| mdke | dand, what sot of translation? | 06:13 |
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| Flonne | Oops. I forgot to change my outgoing mail settings to use my real name. That's been fixed now. (In case anyone happens to wonder who Red HamsterX is) | 09:07 |
| froud | :-) | 09:07 |
| mdke | heh | 09:08 |
| mdke | oh yeah | 09:08 |
| mdke | froud, am downloading the Kubuntu RC live disk | 09:12 |
| mdke | lets see what all the fuss is about | 09:12 |
| froud | mdke: cool | 09:12 |
| jjesse | i am really enjoying kubuntu | 09:40 |
| jjesse | now if i could just figure out power managerment for my laptop -- supsend to disk and all that | 09:40 |
| jjesse | then i would be all set | 09:40 |
| jjesse | i couldn't figure it out in ubuntu itself :( | 09:41 |
| froud | jjesse: on kde it is easier, just use KControl | 09:44 |
| jjesse | hmm why can't it work that easy on ubuntu? | 09:48 |
| jjesse | that was a cake walke | 09:48 |
| mdke | froud, what is language support like on kubuntu? | 09:48 |
| froud | jjesse: welcome to kde dude :-) | 09:48 |
| froud | good | 09:48 |
| froud | what langiage do you want | 09:48 |
| mdke | italian | 09:48 |
| froud | Good | 09:49 |
| mdke | guy in the italian chan says its not all in italian | 09:49 |
| froud | Again in the control panel | 09:49 |
| froud | It's good, there are patches but thats the same for most | 09:49 |
| mdke | ok cool | 09:49 |
| mdke | thanks | 09:49 |
| froud | But in general kde just makes life easy | 09:50 |
| Flonne | It does, but it doesn't run too well on my 486. :( | 09:50 |
| froud | He he it needs more resources | 09:51 |
| === froud uses 486s for door-stops | ||
| === Flonne uses it for managing distributed tasks and as a simple router. | ||
| froud | no desktop required then | 09:54 |
| mdke | thats one hell of a door stop | 09:58 |
| froud | keeps the door open though | 09:59 |
| mdke | very true | 09:59 |
| mdke | i have a p1 that i need to figure out what to do with | 09:59 |
| mdke | maybe webserver | 09:59 |
| claude | hum, hum, guys, may i bother you :-P | 10:00 |
| claude | mdke: did you already get some po back ? | 10:00 |
| === froud nods | ||
| mdke | claude, no | 10:01 |
| mdke | i've done one italian po | 10:01 |
| mdke | but nothing from anyone else | 10:01 |
| claude | ok | 10:01 |
| mdke | are they in rosetta yet? | 10:01 |
| claude | no | 10:01 |
| mdke | ok np | 10:02 |
| mdke | are they likely to be? if not i'll set off on the quickguide-it soon | 10:02 |
| claude | they should... | 10:02 |
| claude | carlos said between today and tomorrow | 10:02 |
| mdke | oh cool | 10:03 |
| === froud wonders if anybody has access to trados (translation memory) | ||
| claude | but time is short for inclusion in Hoary | 10:03 |
| mdke | i need to subscribe to the translation list | 10:03 |
| claude | i am... | 10:03 |
| claude | but you won't receive many traffic... | 10:03 |
| mdke | claude, yeah i agree. the two main docs aren't long tbh | 10:03 |
| mdke | they shouldn't take long to translate | 10:04 |
| mdke | hopefully we'll get some back soon | 10:04 |
| mdke | one question | 10:04 |
| claude | there isn't any translators community for now | 10:04 |
| mdke | claude, this is the first translating i've done so am pretty n00b, i noticed that in the french po the accents come out funny on my poEdit | 10:04 |
| mdke | do you know why this is? | 10:04 |
| claude | just some guys asking how they can help | 10:04 |
| claude | are you in UTF-8 ? | 10:05 |
| mdke | yeah | 10:05 |
| mdke | my accents came out ok | 10:05 |
| mdke | maybe poEdit has a problem | 10:05 |
| mdke | but it got me a bit worried | 10:06 |
| mdke | shall i get a screenshot of the behaviour? | 10:06 |
| claude | i'm not using poEdit | 10:06 |
| mdke | what do you use? | 10:07 |
| claude | gTranslator or kBabel (just to make froud hapy :) ) | 10:07 |
| mdke | gtranslator wouldn't open the files for me | 10:08 |
| froud | KBabel rocks | 10:08 |
| claude | i had also problem with gtranslator | 10:08 |
| mdke | heres the screenshot | 10:08 |
| claude | i'm installing poedit | 10:08 |
| mdke | http://mdke.mine.nu/images/po.png | 10:09 |
| mdke | top window is french, bottom italian | 10:09 |
| mdke | the french version says charset iso-8859-1 | 10:10 |
| mdke | just noticed | 10:10 |
| mdke | which charset should it be in? | 10:12 |
| claude | utf-8 | 10:12 |
| mdke | well its definitely not | 10:13 |
| mdke | just got the new version from snv | 10:13 |
| mdke | svn | 10:13 |
| claude | dont' know why poedit find this 8859-1... | 10:13 |
| mdke | unless poEdit has some crazy problem | 10:13 |
| mdke | hmm | 10:13 |
| mdke | it is utf8? | 10:13 |
| claude | "Content-Type: application/x-xml2pot; charset=UTF-8\n" | 10:13 |
| claude | line 13 of po file | 10:13 |
| mdke | i know | 10:14 |
| mdke | its the capital letters | 10:14 |
| mdke | maybe | 10:14 |
| claude | no | 10:15 |
| mdke | mine says "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8\n" | 10:15 |
| mdke | different content type | 10:15 |
| mdke | :/ | 10:15 |
| mdke | oh dear, have i done something wrong? | 10:16 |
| mdke | claude, comparing the documents I also see that the french version includes things like: #. Tag: subtitle and ~.Tag: para. My one doesn't have these. | 10:17 |
| claude | don't know if this matter | 10:18 |
| mdke | hope not | 10:18 |
| claude | i'm no more experienced user than you, you know ! | 10:18 |
| mdke | heh | 10:18 |
| mdke | this is my first attempt at translating | 10:19 |
| mdke | i had never heard of .po files before | 10:19 |
| claude | i did, but juste a little, little little :) | 10:19 |
| mdke | :) | 10:19 |
| mdke | well let's hope it works | 10:19 |
| mdke | does anyone know anything about it? | 10:19 |
| claude | could you send your po file to the list, to be included in svn ? | 10:20 |
| mdke | i will do so tomorrow | 10:20 |
| claude | we'll try to regenerate the italian xml | 10:20 |
| mdke | i am waiting on corrections from someone else | 10:20 |
| claude | k | 10:20 |
| mdke | will try and hurry it | 10:22 |
| claude | make an 'po2xml original.xml yourfile.po > original-it.xml' | 10:22 |
| claude | and see the result in yelp | 10:22 |
| mdke | what package do i need to install? | 10:22 |
| claude | poxml (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepl18n) | 10:23 |
| mdke | ok | 10:23 |
| claude | froud: do you know when the defintive ubuntu-docs freeze for Hoary will be ? | 10:26 |
| froud | We have frozen about-ubuntu, release-notes and quick guide | 10:27 |
| froud | only crital issues can get in now | 10:27 |
| froud | other docs are open for work | 10:27 |
| claude | i18n IS critical :) | 10:27 |
| froud | yes | 10:28 |
| froud | the en docs are frozen | 10:28 |
| froud | to enable l18n | 10:28 |
| froud | we hope to get as many po files in as possible | 10:28 |
| claude | until ... ? | 10:28 |
| froud | Hoary release is now 8th April | 10:28 |
| froud | as apposed to 6th | 10:29 |
| mdke | is that for our benefit? | 10:29 |
| froud | I would say aiming at 6th is a good date | 10:29 |
| === mdke hopes not | ||
| froud | no | 10:29 |
| claude | however the scripts seems not ready | 10:30 |
| froud | claude: which scripts | 10:30 |
| froud | those from trickie | 10:31 |
| claude | Makefile, deb packaging | 10:31 |
| froud | first we must have the xml and then enrico needs to do his stuff | 10:31 |
| claude | enrico ? in the coffee shops :) | 10:31 |
| claude | i'm doubting :( | 10:32 |
| froud | he is back but he is tired | 10:32 |
| froud | enrico will get his part done you can count on him | 10:32 |
| claude | hr told me he was in Amsterdam for two weeks... | 10:32 |
| froud | trickie is working on methods to transform from po to xml | 10:33 |
| froud | yes | 10:33 |
| claude | yes, i saw, that part seems ok | 10:33 |
| froud | if we need to then one of the devs will do the rest | 10:33 |
| froud | perhaps jdub | 10:33 |
| froud | or thom | 10:34 |
| mdke | claude, ok i've generated the xml | 10:34 |
| mdke | its not brilliant | 10:34 |
| === froud is just very busy with long documents at the momement. | ||
| claude | thks froud | 10:35 |
| froud | claude: do you feel like translating 600 pages | 10:35 |
| claude | arghhhh | 10:35 |
| claude | 8-P | 10:35 |
| froud | 7 documents | 10:36 |
| claude | please stop ! | 10:36 |
| mdke | claude, screenshot at http://mdke.mine.nu/images/xml.png, i've left the error i got from terminal on it too | 10:36 |
| froud | porting from OOo Writer to Docbook | 10:36 |
| claude | mdke: could you just send me your po (paroz@email.ch) | 10:36 |
| mdke | ok | 10:36 |
| mdke | claude, sent | 10:37 |
| mdke | the accents seem to have come out ok, but the index is not right (i assume) | 10:37 |
| mdke | claude, i've generated an xml with the french po file, and it looks the same, so probably everything is ok | 10:38 |
| froud | <menuchoice><guimenu>Actions</guimenu><guimenuitem>Expunge</guimenuitem></menuchoice> | 10:40 |
| froud | what a strange word for a menuitem | 10:40 |
| froud | How to translate that | 10:40 |
| froud | :-) | 10:40 |
| mdke | gnome 2.8 uses that | 10:40 |
| mdke | actions | 10:40 |
| mdke | claude, http://mdke.mine.nu/images/xml-fr.png | 10:44 |
| claude | mdke: yes, you have to execute the xml file in the context of ubuntu-doc | 10:44 |
| claude | in the about-ubuntu folder | 10:44 |
| mdke | i did | 10:45 |
| claude | otherwise, the relative links doesn't resolve | 10:45 |
| mdke | hmm | 10:45 |
| mdke | if I do yelp ubuntu-doc/aboutubuntu/aboutubuntu.xml, i get the same thing | 10:45 |
| mdke | i won't do another screenshot, but its the same | 10:46 |
| mdke | anyway the important thing is that the -it.po seems to be ok | 10:47 |
| claude | yes, the it xml file seems ok for me | 10:47 |
| mdke | phew | 10:47 |
| mdke | ok thanks VERY much for your help | 10:47 |
| froud | mdke: send the po when you are ready with it | 10:47 |
| mdke | froud, will do | 10:47 |
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