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=== cosmobot [cosmobot@ts3-b53.Voronezh.dial.rol.ru] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:59] Are you available to review the howto before I add it to the Wiki, Burgundavia? [01:59] just throw it up there [01:59] I can review on the wiki [02:00] All right. I'll strip out the DocBook stuff and link to it ASAP. [02:02] docbook is nice [02:02] send that to the list also [02:03] That's what I planned to do. :) [02:03] I just wanted to get any bugs worked out before that. [02:04] hi dudes [02:04] Hi. [02:06] salut [02:06] yo [02:06] how are things? === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:29] hello === avanspronsen [~avanspron@London-HSE-ppp3543494.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:22] hello [03:22] hi jsgotangco avanspronsen [03:22] hello [03:23] how is everyone? [03:23] gd thanks you? [03:23] im back to work after a week of flu [03:23] :) [03:23] :) [03:24] good...this is my first visit to this channel. I am bit of a linux newb but love linux and Ubuntu. [03:24] welcome avanspronsen [03:24] I am just trying to find out how I can help. [03:25] you're not as much of a n00b as i am === mdke has seen your wiki page [03:25] hmmm, really? [03:26] yep [03:26] welcome :) we are all learning [03:26] why? :-) [03:26] i don't know programming [03:26] or system admin [03:27] me niether, but I am s sysadmin, most windows, but I run hoary on my laptop and warty on a couple of servers [03:27] :) [03:27] welcome to the team [03:28] I can my hands on older hardware so I could help test installs, doc installs, etc [03:28] mdke: do you happen to know where the moin 1.3 stuff are located in the wiki if its already there? [03:28] no idea [03:28] lets see [03:29] don't think its there [03:32] i do sysadmin stuff too [03:32] brb restarting X [03:33] linux sysadmin? === mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:34] well thats one, but i do handle windows and solaris at work as well [03:34] need to be jack of all trades hehe [03:35] we are windows but I have one linux server, running warty, that I am doing some proof of concept work on [03:35] our intranet runs on warty now [03:35] with plone and moin [03:35] cool, how big is the company? [03:36] not so big, 400+ people in a manufacturing facility [03:36] cool [03:36] not bad! [03:36] yeah not bad really [03:37] smaller can be good, much more nimble [03:37] less politics [03:38] how many servers do you look after? [03:38] 6 servers half of which is linux [03:39] one of the linux servers run oracle on rhel [03:39] nice === mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:39] we do have plans to move the 2 win2003 servers to linux when it becomes EOL though [03:40] do you do doc work for Ubuntu? [03:40] but that would be a long long time [03:40] hehe [03:40] i do wiki stuff at the moment because im still getting my feet wet on docbook [03:40] how do you get started? [03:41] there are some docteam pages on the wiki [03:41] some of em are quite helpful [03:41] yes [03:41] right i'm off to bed [03:41] g'night all [03:41] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepRepository [03:41] try this one [03:41] I took a quivk look, I will go back and have a closerlook [03:41] ok [03:42] night mdke [03:42] night mdke [03:42] :-) [03:56] Burgundavia, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows (Please let me know about any changes so I can apply them to the .xml before submitting it.) [04:01] I would drop the stuff about grub [04:02] s/grub/lilo [04:02] who cares [04:02] does it work? [04:03] Well, I still have to check the LiveCD, which I'm doing now... [04:03] I would seperate out the howto and the explanation [04:03] list what you need to do [04:03] then have an explanation at the bottom [04:04] so the how to becomes [04:04] 1. do a [04:04] 2. go to 1 [04:04] etc. [04:04] and then it says [04:04] explanation [04:04] you do a become b is borked [04:04] s/become/because [04:05] but otherwise excellent work [04:05] I'm not entirely sure how that stuff can be separated. [04:05] It's quite conditional, and not everyone has the same partition structure. [04:06] true [04:07] another thought might be to make it more conditional [04:07] ie, if you overwrite your mbr with windows, you only need to reinstall grub [04:07] you don't need to tweak your menu.lst [04:07] thus maybe say [04:07] if this happens [04:07] do 1, 2 and 3 [04:08] if this happens [04:08] do 1 and 2 [04:08] That makes sense. [04:09] ideally a howto should not dive into anything that doesn't help the person right now [04:10] that's a simple way to explain a howto [04:10] i like that [04:11] we can probably safely assume that 95% of people are simply going to overwriting their grub in the mbr [04:15] I'm used to focusing on unusual circumstances, since those cases tend to be the ones that drive users to mailing lists. [04:15] I'mm try to emphasize the simple stuff, though. [04:16] I wouldn [04:16] t focus on the unusal actually [04:16] I would focus on the 95% cases [04:16] those are the ones that we really can rights docs for [04:16] the rest we can deal with in person [04:17] ive read through it though and I think it applies to general users [04:17] well not to general in a sense about ability === Skywind [~Skywind@218.94.37.185] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:56] hi Skywind [05:15] There. Tested with the Ubuntu LiveCD, the Knoppix LiveCD, the Gentoo LiveCD, the Arch LiveCD, and System Rescue CD, with RAID, and both NT5 and 9x. [05:16] It's also simpler, more to the point, and reads a little better. [05:17] Flonne: nice work [05:17] Now to study... [05:30] Eek. The Kubuntu 3.4 package doesn't have a pretty Kubuntu wallpaper by default. [05:30] Its wallpaper is pretty, but it isn't Kubuntu pretty. [05:31] It also seems to have forgotten my transparency settings, though it retained details like font anti-aliasing. [05:46] Flonne: there is a kde-artwork package or something for that [05:48] i will probably try downloading the kubuntu-base stuff soon === Flonne [~rhx@S0106000f663654db.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc === avanspronsen [~avanspron@London-HSE-ppp3543494.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud-away [~froud@ndn-165-144-136.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kinnison [~dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === boglot [~logbot@gw.workaround.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S01060050dac642e4.du.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sladen [paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === asw [~asw@node-423a728a.bos.onnet.us.uu.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Skywind [~Skywind@218.94.37.185] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:42] greetings froud [09:48] jsgotangco: hi === froud sends African Greetings to the room === claude [~Claude@157.26.3.165] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:03] froud: u got a minute? [10:04] yup [10:04] how does one start a translation project with a po file? where do i find it? [10:05] translation of what? [10:05] let's say quickguide.xml for starters [10:05] The en pot file is in svn [10:06] then follow http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-i18n/2004-September/msg00106.html [10:06] basically you generate a po from the pot [10:07] you can do cp enfile.pot > langfile.po [10:07] in the case of quick guide cp quickguide.xml > quickguide-.po [10:08] ooops [10:08] in the case of quick guide cp quickguide.pot > quickguide-.po [10:09] the you translate [10:09] msgid "Welcome to Ubuntu Linux &distro-rev;: The &distro-version; Release." [10:09] msgstr "" [10:09] your lang text goes in msgstr "" [10:09] example [10:09] msgid "Welcome to Ubuntu Linux &distro-rev;: The &distro-version; Release." [10:09] msgstr "Bienvenue sur la version &distro-rev; d'Ubuntu Linux : &distro-version;." [10:10] ahhh [10:10] when finished send us the lang po file [10:10] from what i understand [10:10] i generate the po file from the xml file [10:10] no you already have the pot file from us [10:11] we made a pot file for quick guide [10:11] i just have to get it from svn? [10:11] do you have a working copy of svn [10:11] i have ubuntu-docs at the moment [10:11] you should do a checkout on our trunk [10:12] no no dont do it there [10:12] do it in repos [10:12] do you have subversion installed [10:12] i do [10:12] ok so now cd to the directory you want to make your working copy in [10:13] then [10:13] svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk ubuntu-docs [10:13] that will create the folder called ubuntu-docs/ and add the files in trunk/ to it [10:13] this is called your working copy [10:14] work there [10:14] should this be separate from the existing ubuntu-docs? [10:14] the repos is the source of ubuntu-doc pacjages [10:14] we build ubuntu-doc from the repos [10:15] once you have the repos you can build ubuntu-docs [10:15] anytime you like [10:15] and install the packages [10:15] this is how we test our packages [10:16] at intervals like yesterday, we upload to the seed [10:16] so once you have the repos trunk/ [10:16] just cd quickguide/ [10:17] then cp quickguide.pot > quickguide-.po [10:17] hmmm [10:17] i did this before [10:17] but before you go doing work check that none of the translation groups are not already busy doing a translation for the target language you want to work on [10:17] let me just refresh my trunk [10:18] do svn up [10:18] in trunk [10:18] before starting work, always do svn up from your working copy trunk [10:19] many people work on the repos [10:19] it is the hub for al lof us [10:19] each has a working copy [10:19] each hacks their copy [10:19] is the trunk the same as that in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepRepository [10:19] and either commits or makes patches and submits them [10:20] That is an intruction on how to get started [10:20] yes [10:20] then i have this already [10:20] this is what I just explained to you [10:20] ill just svn up [10:20] ok so then cd to the trunk/ [10:21] i.e. make trunk your pwd [10:21] then svn up [10:21] it says At revision 788 [10:21] Ok now ls quickguide/ [10:21] oh there's the pot now [10:21] ls quickguide/ [10:21] quickguide.pot quickguide.xml VERSION [10:22] yes [10:22] cd quickguide [10:22] cp quickguide.pot > quickguide-.po [10:23] what lang are you going to do? [10:23] oh i was thinking of doing filipino [10:23] its not a complicated language [10:23] Hmm what's the abbrev for that [10:23] i think its tl [10:23] (tagalog) [10:24] I guess I am not sure [10:24] i will just check anyway [10:24] cp quickguide.pot > quickguide-tl.po [10:24] when you have finished translating [10:24] you make a patch [10:24] do you know how [10:25] no === trickie [~trickie@203-166-242-109.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:26] how come my po fileis empty? [10:27] cp quickguide.pot quickguide-tl.po [10:27] dont put the > [10:28] I was trying to say copy file1 to file2 [10:28] i got it right this time [10:28] yes [10:28] ok [10:28] edit your file [10:28] then before you make the patch do svn up [10:28] i start editing on msgstr"" right [10:28] then svn status [10:28] yes [10:29] o i start first on one line [10:30] yes work in a logical manner [10:30] when you are done just mail the file to the list [10:30] we will commit it [10:30] then you can do another svn up [10:30] what happened to the patching and stuff [10:30] let's not complicate it for you now [10:30] hehe ok i will try this first [10:31] it's enough to handle what you have got [10:31] btw, thanks for the help === froud must go for a minute brb [10:32] thank you for teaching me as well [10:32] i'll check this out first [10:37] pleasure [10:40] just one question [10:40] lets say i get to finish this i just send this do ubuntu-doc-commit? [10:41] nope [10:41] send to ubuntu-doc [10:41] no to ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com [10:41] Burgundavia: snap :-) [10:41] doc-commit is driven out of the svn commits [10:41] ok i;m subscribed to that [11:01] ok im sold on this pot thing its so easy at the moment [11:13] bbl reboot x === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:40] bbl [12:50] hi all === froud-work nods [12:50] hows it going? === froud-work hard [12:51] :( [12:51] the current system is for translated po files to be posted to the list right? [12:51] yep === froud-work must go to shop buy bread and milk [12:52] ok:) [01:07] back === HostingGeek [~HG@200.48.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:15] mdke: lauchpad.. [01:16] malone persificly [01:17] HostingGeek: excuse my ignorance what is launchpad [01:17] HostingGeek, thanks yeah i filed it [01:17] froud-work, launchpad.ubuntu.com === HostingGeek [~HG@200.48.233.220.exetel.com.au] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Thank] [01:17] Huh another site [01:17] that's where rosetta is [01:18] Ah ha [01:19] mdke, is there a way to get a closer look at rosetta? [01:19] you were saying on the list that you couldn't figure out how to get an account with rosetta? [01:19] mdke, yeah that was me [01:19] did you mean just a normal user account? [01:19] hi trickie [01:19] froud-work, i just added a 'make trans' that will convert .po files back to xml [01:19] mdke, yeah [01:19] trickie, just log in [01:20] its all part of ubuntu [01:20] trickie: hello thanks will take alook [01:20] i went to make an account and i get an error when i click link in an email [01:20] trickie, you have an account [01:20] ah [01:20] me = stupid [01:20] :) [01:20] lol [01:20] trickie, btw is there a deadline for sending back translations? [01:21] mdke, i don't know [01:21] well that means no doesn't it? [01:21] lol [01:21] mdke, i can never really get a an answer if iask exactly when it has to be done by' [01:21] fair enough [01:27] trickie: nice one mate :-) [01:28] trickie: but how to manage diffs [01:29] say I edit quick guide and I update the po files [01:30] omg [01:30] don't tell me you are changing the docs still [01:31] mdke: no, but what happens next release? [01:31] oh phew [01:31] froud-work, yeah i have been trying to think of a way around that [01:31] the i18n team should not have to retranslate stuff that remaine dthe same [01:31] good thinking [01:31] trickie: did you look at http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-i18n/2004-September/msg00106.html [01:31] the prcess is explained [01:32] I think we should standardize on xml2pot / xml2po [01:33] froud-work, can you merge the .po files with msgmerge ?? === froud-work just needs to find libxml2-python rpm for SuSE [01:33] yes [01:33] basic gettext [01:34] but xml2po takes consideration of the XML [01:34] essentially it can handle the entire process [01:34] right? [01:34] froud-work, yep ok [01:34] i'll fix it up soon [01:35] your script is good though [01:35] froud-work, he he thanks [01:35] been trying to blow my mind with some perl lately [01:35] perhaps can invoke xml2po with $ from your script [01:35] yep [01:36] I wish there was a pure xsl solution for this [01:36] i gotta shoot... i will make the changes soon [01:36] ok [01:36] bye === froud-work goes back to work [01:36] mdke, see ya === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _froud_ [~froud@ndn-165-144-136.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === fgx [~fgx@barlach.spin.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:12] hoary's release date has been moved from 6th to 8th [03:12] April === jjesse [~jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Frafra [~frafra@d81-211-216-114.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Frafra [~frafra@d81-211-216-114.cust.tele2.it] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Sto] [04:29] anyone home? === sabmoc [~alex@d154-20-136-124.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:56] do

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=== dand [~dand@gw.datagroup.ro] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:20] hello. what's the proper place for asking about website translation? [05:57] dand: I have no idea === froud wonders why claude disappeared so fast [06:13] lol [06:13] dand, what sot of translation? === claude [~claude@125.71.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Flonne [~rhx@S0106000d61453c6a.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === maskie [~maskie@196-30-109-43.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:07] Oops. I forgot to change my outgoing mail settings to use my real name. That's been fixed now. (In case anyone happens to wonder who Red HamsterX is) [09:07] :-) [09:08] heh [09:08] oh yeah [09:12] froud, am downloading the Kubuntu RC live disk [09:12] lets see what all the fuss is about [09:12] mdke: cool [09:40] i am really enjoying kubuntu [09:40] now if i could just figure out power managerment for my laptop -- supsend to disk and all that [09:40] then i would be all set [09:41] i couldn't figure it out in ubuntu itself :( [09:44] jjesse: on kde it is easier, just use KControl [09:48] hmm why can't it work that easy on ubuntu? [09:48] that was a cake walke [09:48] froud, what is language support like on kubuntu? [09:48] jjesse: welcome to kde dude :-) [09:48] good [09:48] what langiage do you want [09:48] italian [09:49] Good [09:49] guy in the italian chan says its not all in italian [09:49] Again in the control panel [09:49] It's good, there are patches but thats the same for most [09:49] ok cool [09:49] thanks [09:50] But in general kde just makes life easy [09:50] It does, but it doesn't run too well on my 486. :( [09:51] He he it needs more resources === froud uses 486s for door-stops === Flonne uses it for managing distributed tasks and as a simple router. [09:54] no desktop required then [09:58] thats one hell of a door stop [09:59] keeps the door open though [09:59] very true [09:59] i have a p1 that i need to figure out what to do with [09:59] maybe webserver [10:00] hum, hum, guys, may i bother you :-P [10:00] mdke: did you already get some po back ? === froud nods [10:01] claude, no [10:01] i've done one italian po [10:01] but nothing from anyone else [10:01] ok [10:01] are they in rosetta yet? [10:01] no [10:02] ok np [10:02] are they likely to be? if not i'll set off on the quickguide-it soon [10:02] they should... [10:02] carlos said between today and tomorrow [10:03] oh cool === froud wonders if anybody has access to trados (translation memory) [10:03] but time is short for inclusion in Hoary [10:03] i need to subscribe to the translation list [10:03] i am... [10:03] but you won't receive many traffic... [10:03] claude, yeah i agree. the two main docs aren't long tbh [10:04] they shouldn't take long to translate [10:04] hopefully we'll get some back soon [10:04] one question [10:04]