[01:59] <Flonne> Are you available to review the howto before I add it to the Wiki, Burgundavia?
[01:59] <Burgundavia> just throw it up there
[01:59] <Burgundavia> I can review on the wiki
[02:00] <Flonne> All right. I'll strip out the DocBook stuff and link to it ASAP.
[02:02] <Burgundavia> docbook is nice
[02:02] <Burgundavia> send that to the list also
[02:03] <Flonne> That's what I planned to do. :)
[02:03] <Flonne> I just wanted to get any bugs worked out before that.
[02:04] <mdke> hi dudes
[02:04] <Flonne> Hi.
[02:06] <Burgundavia> salut
[02:06] <mdke> yo
[02:06] <mdke> how are things?
[02:29] <jsgotangco> hello
[03:22] <jsgotangco> hello
[03:22] <mdke> hi jsgotangco avanspronsen 
[03:22] <avanspronsen> hello
[03:23] <avanspronsen> how is everyone?
[03:23] <mdke> gd thanks you?
[03:23] <jsgotangco> im back to work after a week of flu
[03:23] <jsgotangco> :)
[03:23] <mdke> :)
[03:24] <avanspronsen> good...this is my first visit to this channel.  I am  bit of a linux newb but love linux and Ubuntu.
[03:24] <mdke> welcome avanspronsen 
[03:24] <avanspronsen> I am just trying to find out how I can help.
[03:25] <mdke> you're not as much of a n00b as i am
[03:25] <avanspronsen> hmmm, really?
[03:26] <mdke> yep
[03:26] <jsgotangco> welcome :) we are all learning
[03:26] <avanspronsen> why?  :-)
[03:26] <mdke> i don't know programming
[03:26] <mdke> or system admin
[03:27] <avanspronsen> me niether, but I am s sysadmin, most windows, but I run hoary on my laptop and warty on a couple of servers
[03:27] <mdke> :)
[03:27] <mdke> welcome to the team
[03:28] <avanspronsen> I can my hands on older hardware so I could help test installs, doc installs, etc
[03:28] <jsgotangco> mdke: do you happen to know where the moin 1.3 stuff are located in the wiki if its already there?
[03:28] <mdke> no idea
[03:28] <mdke> lets see
[03:29] <mdke> don't think its there
[03:32] <jsgotangco> i do sysadmin stuff too
[03:32] <mdke> brb restarting X
[03:33] <avanspronsen> linux sysadmin?
[03:34] <jsgotangco> well thats one, but i do handle windows and solaris at work as well
[03:34] <jsgotangco> need to be jack of all trades hehe
[03:35] <avanspronsen> we are windows but I have one linux server, running warty, that I am doing some proof of concept work on
[03:35] <jsgotangco> our intranet runs on warty now
[03:35] <jsgotangco> with plone and moin
[03:35] <avanspronsen> cool, how big is the company?
[03:36] <jsgotangco> not so big, 400+ people in a manufacturing facility
[03:36] <avanspronsen> cool
[03:36] <mdke> not bad!
[03:36] <jsgotangco> yeah not bad really
[03:37] <avanspronsen> smaller can be good, much more nimble
[03:37] <avanspronsen> less politics
[03:38] <avanspronsen> how many servers do you look after?
[03:38] <jsgotangco> 6 servers half of which is linux
[03:39] <jsgotangco> one of the linux servers run oracle on rhel
[03:39] <avanspronsen> nice
[03:39] <jsgotangco> we do have plans to move the 2 win2003 servers to linux when it becomes EOL though
[03:40] <avanspronsen> do you do doc work for Ubuntu?
[03:40] <jsgotangco> but that would be a long long time
[03:40] <jsgotangco> hehe
[03:40] <jsgotangco> i do wiki stuff at the moment because im still getting my feet wet on docbook
[03:40] <avanspronsen> how do you get started?
[03:41] <mdke> there are some docteam pages on the wiki
[03:41] <mdke> some of em are quite helpful
[03:41] <jsgotangco> yes
[03:41] <mdke> right i'm off to bed
[03:41] <mdke> g'night all
[03:41] <jsgotangco> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepRepository
[03:41] <jsgotangco> try this one
[03:41] <avanspronsen> I took a quivk look, I will go back and have a closerlook
[03:41] <avanspronsen> ok
[03:42] <avanspronsen> night mdke
[03:42] <jsgotangco> night mdke
[03:42] <avanspronsen> :-)
[03:56] <Flonne> Burgundavia, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows (Please let me know about any changes so I can apply them to the .xml before submitting it.)
[04:01] <Burgundavia> I would drop the stuff about grub
[04:02] <Burgundavia> s/grub/lilo
[04:02] <Burgundavia> who cares
[04:02] <Burgundavia> does it work?
[04:03] <Flonne> Well, I still have to check the LiveCD, which I'm doing now...
[04:03] <Burgundavia> I would seperate out the howto and the explanation
[04:03] <Burgundavia> list what you need to do
[04:03] <Burgundavia> then have an explanation at the bottom
[04:04] <Burgundavia> so the how to becomes
[04:04] <Burgundavia> 1. do a
[04:04] <Burgundavia> 2. go to 1
[04:04] <Burgundavia> etc.
[04:04] <Burgundavia> and then it says
[04:04] <Burgundavia> explanation
[04:04] <Burgundavia> you do a become b is borked
[04:04] <Burgundavia> s/become/because
[04:05] <Burgundavia> but otherwise excellent work
[04:05] <Flonne> I'm not entirely sure how that stuff can be separated.
[04:05] <Flonne> It's quite conditional, and not everyone has the same partition structure.
[04:06] <Burgundavia> true
[04:07] <Burgundavia> another thought might be to make it more conditional
[04:07] <Burgundavia> ie, if you overwrite your mbr with windows, you only need to reinstall grub
[04:07] <Burgundavia> you don't need to tweak your menu.lst
[04:07] <Burgundavia> thus maybe say
[04:07] <Burgundavia> if this happens
[04:07] <Burgundavia> do 1, 2 and 3
[04:08] <Burgundavia> if this happens
[04:08] <Burgundavia> do 1 and 2
[04:08] <Flonne> That makes sense.
[04:09] <Burgundavia> ideally a howto should not dive into anything that doesn't help the person right now
[04:10] <jsgotangco> that's a simple way to explain a howto
[04:10] <jsgotangco> i like that
[04:11] <Burgundavia> we can probably safely assume that 95% of people are simply going to overwriting their grub in the mbr
[04:15] <Flonne> I'm used to focusing on unusual circumstances, since those cases tend to be the ones that drive users to mailing lists.
[04:15] <Flonne> I'mm try to emphasize the simple stuff, though.
[04:16] <Burgundavia> I wouldn
[04:16] <Burgundavia> t focus on the unusal actually
[04:16] <Burgundavia> I would focus on the 95% cases
[04:16] <Burgundavia> those are the ones that we really can rights docs for
[04:16] <Burgundavia> the rest we can deal with in person
[04:17] <jsgotangco> ive read through it though and I think it applies to general users
[04:17] <jsgotangco> well not to general in a sense about ability
[04:56] <jsgotangco> hi Skywind
[05:15] <Flonne> There. Tested with the Ubuntu LiveCD, the Knoppix LiveCD, the Gentoo LiveCD, the Arch LiveCD, and System Rescue CD, with RAID, and both NT5 and 9x.
[05:16] <Flonne> It's also simpler, more to the point, and reads a little better.
[05:17] <Burgundavia> Flonne: nice work
[05:17] <Flonne> Now to study...
[05:30] <Flonne> Eek. The Kubuntu 3.4 package doesn't have a pretty Kubuntu wallpaper by default.
[05:30] <Flonne> Its wallpaper is pretty, but it isn't Kubuntu pretty.
[05:31] <Flonne> It also seems to have forgotten my transparency settings, though it retained details like font anti-aliasing.
[05:46] <Burgundavia> Flonne: there is a kde-artwork package or something for that
[05:48] <jsgotangco> i will probably try downloading the kubuntu-base stuff soon
[09:42] <jsgotangco> greetings froud
[09:48] <froud> jsgotangco: hi
[10:03] <jsgotangco> froud: u got a minute?
[10:04] <froud> yup
[10:04] <jsgotangco> how does one start a translation project with a po file? where do i find it?
[10:05] <froud> translation of what?
[10:05] <jsgotangco> let's say quickguide.xml for starters
[10:05] <froud> The en pot file is in svn
[10:06] <froud> then follow http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-i18n/2004-September/msg00106.html
[10:06] <froud> basically you generate a po from the pot
[10:07] <froud> you can do cp enfile.pot > langfile.po
[10:07] <froud> in the case of quick guide cp quickguide.xml > quickguide-<lang>.po
[10:08] <froud> ooops
[10:08] <froud> in the case of quick guide cp quickguide.pot > quickguide-<lang>.po
[10:09] <froud> the you translate
[10:09] <froud> msgid "Welcome to Ubuntu Linux &distro-rev;: The &distro-version; Release."
[10:09] <froud> msgstr ""
[10:09] <froud> your lang text goes in msgstr ""
[10:09] <froud> example
[10:09] <froud> msgid "Welcome to Ubuntu Linux &distro-rev;: The &distro-version; Release."
[10:09] <froud> msgstr "Bienvenue sur la version &distro-rev; d'Ubuntu Linux : &distro-version;."
[10:10] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[10:10] <froud> when finished send us the lang po file
[10:10] <jsgotangco> from what i understand
[10:10] <jsgotangco> i generate the po file from the xml file
[10:10] <froud> no you already have the pot file from us
[10:11] <froud> we made a pot file for quick guide
[10:11] <jsgotangco> i just have to get it from svn?
[10:11] <froud> do you have a working copy of svn
[10:11] <jsgotangco> i have ubuntu-docs at the moment
[10:11] <froud> you should do a checkout on our trunk
[10:12] <froud> no no dont do it there
[10:12] <froud> do it in repos
[10:12] <froud> do you have subversion installed
[10:12] <jsgotangco> i do
[10:12] <froud> ok so now cd to the directory you want to make your working copy in
[10:13] <froud> then
[10:13] <froud> svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk ubuntu-docs
[10:13] <froud> that will create the folder called ubuntu-docs/ and add the files in trunk/ to it
[10:13] <froud> this is called your working copy
[10:14] <froud> work there
[10:14] <jsgotangco> should this be separate from the existing ubuntu-docs?
[10:14] <froud> the repos is the source of ubuntu-doc pacjages
[10:14] <froud> we build ubuntu-doc from the repos
[10:15] <froud> once you have the repos you can build ubuntu-docs
[10:15] <froud> anytime you like
[10:15] <froud> and install the packages
[10:15] <froud> this is how we test our packages
[10:16] <froud> at intervals like yesterday, we upload to the seed
[10:16] <froud> so once you have the repos trunk/
[10:16] <froud> just cd quickguide/
[10:17] <froud> then cp quickguide.pot > quickguide-<lang>.po
[10:17] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[10:17] <jsgotangco> i did this before
[10:17] <froud> but before you go doing work check that none of the translation groups are not already busy doing a translation for the target language you want to work on
[10:17] <jsgotangco> let me just refresh my trunk
[10:18] <froud> do svn up
[10:18] <froud> in trunk
[10:18] <froud> before starting work, always do svn up from your working copy trunk
[10:19] <froud> many people work on the repos
[10:19] <froud> it is the hub for al lof us
[10:19] <froud> each has a working copy
[10:19] <froud> each hacks their copy
[10:19] <jsgotangco> is the trunk the same as that in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepRepository
[10:19] <froud> and either commits or makes patches and submits them
[10:20] <froud> That is an intruction on how to get started
[10:20] <froud> yes
[10:20] <jsgotangco> then i have this already
[10:20] <froud> this is what I just explained to you
[10:20] <jsgotangco> ill just svn up
[10:20] <froud> ok so then cd to the trunk/
[10:21] <froud> i.e. make trunk your pwd
[10:21] <froud> then svn up
[10:21] <jsgotangco> it says At revision 788
[10:21] <froud> Ok now ls quickguide/
[10:21] <jsgotangco>  oh there's the pot now
[10:21] <froud> ls quickguide/
[10:21] <froud> quickguide.pot  quickguide.xml  VERSION
[10:22] <jsgotangco> yes
[10:22] <froud> cd quickguide
[10:22] <froud> cp quickguide.pot > quickguide-<lang>.po
[10:23] <froud> what lang are you going to do?
[10:23] <jsgotangco> oh i was thinking of doing filipino
[10:23] <jsgotangco> its not a complicated language
[10:23] <froud> Hmm what's the abbrev for that
[10:23] <jsgotangco> i think its tl
[10:23] <jsgotangco> (tagalog)
[10:24] <froud> I guess I am not sure
[10:24] <jsgotangco> i will just check anyway
[10:24] <froud> cp quickguide.pot > quickguide-tl.po
[10:24] <froud> when you have finished translating
[10:24] <froud> you make a patch
[10:24] <froud> do you know how
[10:25] <jsgotangco> no
[10:26] <jsgotangco> how come my po fileis empty?
[10:27] <froud> cp quickguide.pot quickguide-tl.po
[10:27] <froud> dont put the >
[10:28] <froud> I was trying to say copy file1 to file2
[10:28] <jsgotangco> i got it right this time
[10:28] <jsgotangco> yes
[10:28] <jsgotangco> ok
[10:28] <froud> edit your file
[10:28] <froud> then before you make the patch do svn up
[10:28] <jsgotangco> i start editing on msgstr"" right
[10:28] <froud> then svn status
[10:28] <froud> yes
[10:29] <jsgotangco> o i start first on one line
[10:30] <froud> yes work in a logical manner
[10:30] <froud> when you are done just mail the file to the list
[10:30] <froud> we will commit it
[10:30] <froud> then you can do another svn up
[10:30] <jsgotangco> what happened to the patching and stuff
[10:30] <froud> let's not complicate it for you now
[10:30] <jsgotangco> hehe ok i will try this first
[10:31] <froud> it's enough to handle what you have got
[10:31] <froud> btw, thanks for the help
[10:32] <jsgotangco> thank you for teaching me as well
[10:32] <jsgotangco> i'll check this out first
[10:37] <froud> pleasure
[10:40] <jsgotangco> just one question
[10:40] <jsgotangco> lets say i get to finish this i just send this do ubuntu-doc-commit?
[10:41] <Burgundavia> nope
[10:41] <Burgundavia> send to ubuntu-doc
[10:41] <froud-work> no to ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com
[10:41] <froud-work> Burgundavia: snap :-)
[10:41] <Burgundavia> doc-commit is driven out of the svn commits
[10:41] <jsgotangco> ok i;m subscribed to that
[11:01] <jsgotangco> ok im sold on this pot thing its so easy at the moment
[11:13] <jsgotangco> bbl reboot x
[11:40] <jsgotangco> bbl
[12:50] <mdke> hi all
[12:50] <mdke> hows it going?
[12:51] <mdke> :(
[12:51] <mdke> the current system is for translated po files to be posted to the list right?
[12:51] <froud-work> yep
[12:52] <mdke> ok:)
[01:07] <froud-work> back
[01:15] <HostingGeek> mdke: lauchpad..
[01:16] <HostingGeek> malone persificly
[01:17] <froud-work> HostingGeek: excuse my ignorance what is launchpad
[01:17] <mdke> HostingGeek, thanks yeah i filed it
[01:17] <mdke> froud-work, launchpad.ubuntu.com
[01:17] <froud-work> Huh another site
[01:17] <mdke> that's where rosetta is
[01:18] <froud-work> Ah ha
[01:19] <trickie> mdke, is there a way to get a closer look at rosetta?
[01:19] <mdke> you were saying on the list that you couldn't figure out how to get an account with rosetta?
[01:19] <trickie> mdke, yeah that was me
[01:19] <mdke> did you mean just a normal user account?
[01:19] <mdke> hi trickie 
[01:19] <trickie> froud-work, i just added a 'make trans' that will convert .po files back to xml
[01:19] <trickie> mdke, yeah
[01:19] <mdke> trickie, just log in
[01:20] <mdke> its all part of ubuntu
[01:20] <froud-work> trickie: hello thanks will take alook
[01:20] <trickie> i went to make an account and i get an error when i click link in an email
[01:20] <mdke> trickie, you have an account
[01:20] <trickie> ah
[01:20] <trickie> me = stupid
[01:20] <trickie> :)
[01:20] <mdke> lol
[01:20] <mdke> trickie, btw is there a deadline for sending back translations?
[01:21] <trickie> mdke, i don't know
[01:21] <mdke> well that means no doesn't it?
[01:21] <mdke> lol
[01:21] <trickie> mdke, i can never really get a an answer if iask exactly when it has to be done by'
[01:21] <mdke> fair enough
[01:27] <froud-work> trickie: nice one mate :-)
[01:28] <froud-work> trickie: but how to manage diffs
[01:29] <froud-work> say I edit quick guide and I update the po files
[01:30] <mdke> omg
[01:30] <mdke> don't tell me you are changing the docs still
[01:31] <froud-work> mdke: no, but what happens next release?
[01:31] <mdke> oh phew
[01:31] <trickie> froud-work, yeah i have been trying to think of a way around that
[01:31] <froud-work> the i18n team should not have to retranslate stuff that remaine dthe same
[01:31] <mdke> good thinking
[01:31] <froud-work> trickie: did you look at http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-i18n/2004-September/msg00106.html
[01:31] <froud-work> the prcess is explained
[01:32] <froud-work> I think we should standardize on xml2pot / xml2po
[01:33] <trickie> froud-work, can you merge the .po files with msgmerge ??
[01:33] <froud-work> yes
[01:33] <froud-work> basic gettext
[01:34] <froud-work> but xml2po takes consideration of the XML
[01:34] <froud-work> essentially it can handle the entire process
[01:34] <froud-work> right?
[01:34] <trickie> froud-work, yep ok
[01:34] <trickie> i'll fix it up soon
[01:35] <froud-work> your script is good though
[01:35] <trickie> froud-work, he he thanks
[01:35] <trickie> been trying to blow my mind with some perl lately
[01:35] <froud-work> perhaps can invoke xml2po with $ from your script
[01:35] <trickie> yep
[01:36] <froud-work> I wish there was a pure xsl solution for this
[01:36] <trickie> i gotta shoot... i will make the changes soon
[01:36] <froud-work> ok
[01:36] <mdke> bye
[01:36] <trickie> mdke, see ya
[03:12] <froud> hoary's release date has been moved from 6th to 8th 
[03:12] <froud> April
[04:29] <mdke> anyone home?
[04:56] <sabmoc> do <section> blocks need to be nested eg<section><section><section></section></section></section> ? or can I just go like this <></><></><></> 
[04:57] <sabmoc> or are both acceptable
[05:02] <froud> sabmoc: sections are nested
[05:04] <froud> sabmoc: here is an example

[05:04] <froud>     <title>Article Title</title>
[05:04] <froud>     <section>
[05:04] <froud>         <title>Section1 Title</title>
[05:04] <froud>         <para>Text</para>
[05:04] <froud>         <section>
[05:04] <froud>             <title>Section 1.1 Title</title>
[05:05] <froud>             <para>Text</para>
[05:05] <froud>         </section>
[05:05] <froud>         <section>
[05:05] <froud>             <title>Section 1.2 Title</title>
[05:05] <froud>             <para>Text</para>
[05:05] <froud>         </section>
[05:05] <froud>     </section>
[05:05] <froud>     <section>
[05:05] <froud>         <title>Section2 Title</title>
[05:05] <froud>         <para>Text</para>
[05:05] <froud>         <section>
[05:05] <froud>             <title>Section 2.1 Title</title>
[05:05] <froud>             <para>Text</para>
[05:05] <froud>         </section>
[05:05] <froud>         <section>
[05:06] <froud>             <title>Section 2.2 Title</title>
[05:06] <froud>             <para>Text</para>
[05:06] <froud>         </section>
[05:06] <froud>     </section>

[05:20] <dand> hello. what's the proper place for asking about website translation?
[05:57] <froud> dand: I have no idea
[06:13] <mdke> lol
[06:13] <mdke> dand, what sot of translation?
[09:07] <Flonne> Oops. I forgot to change my outgoing mail settings to use my real name. That's been fixed now. (In case anyone happens to wonder who Red HamsterX is)
[09:07] <froud> :-)
[09:08] <mdke> heh
[09:08] <mdke> oh yeah
[09:12] <mdke> froud, am downloading the Kubuntu RC live disk
[09:12] <mdke> lets see what all the fuss is about
[09:12] <froud> mdke: cool
[09:40] <jjesse> i am really enjoying kubuntu
[09:40] <jjesse> now if i could just figure out power managerment for my laptop -- supsend to disk and all that
[09:40] <jjesse> then i would be all set
[09:41] <jjesse> i couldn't figure it out in ubuntu itself :(
[09:44] <froud> jjesse: on kde it is easier, just use KControl
[09:48] <jjesse> hmm why can't it work that easy on ubuntu?
[09:48] <jjesse> that was a cake walke
[09:48] <mdke> froud, what is language support like on kubuntu?
[09:48] <froud> jjesse: welcome to kde dude :-)
[09:48] <froud> good
[09:48] <froud> what langiage do you want
[09:48] <mdke> italian
[09:49] <froud> Good
[09:49] <mdke> guy in the italian chan says its not all in italian
[09:49] <froud> Again in the control panel
[09:49] <froud> It's good, there are patches but thats the same for most
[09:49] <mdke> ok cool
[09:49] <mdke> thanks
[09:50] <froud> But in general kde just makes life easy
[09:50] <Flonne> It does, but it doesn't run too well on my 486. :(
[09:51] <froud> He he it needs more resources
[09:54] <froud> no desktop required then
[09:58] <mdke> thats one hell of a door stop
[09:59] <froud> keeps the door open though
[09:59] <mdke> very true
[09:59] <mdke> i have a p1 that i need to figure out what to do with
[09:59] <mdke> maybe webserver
[10:00] <claude> hum, hum, guys, may i bother you :-P
[10:00] <claude> mdke: did you already get some po back ?
[10:01] <mdke> claude, no
[10:01] <mdke> i've done one italian po
[10:01] <mdke> but nothing from anyone else
[10:01] <claude> ok
[10:01] <mdke> are they in rosetta yet?
[10:01] <claude> no
[10:02] <mdke> ok np
[10:02] <mdke> are they likely to be? if not i'll set off on the quickguide-it soon
[10:02] <claude> they should...
[10:02] <claude> carlos said between today and tomorrow
[10:03] <mdke> oh cool
[10:03] <claude> but time is short for inclusion in Hoary
[10:03] <mdke> i need to subscribe to the translation list
[10:03] <claude> i am...
[10:03] <claude> but you won't receive many traffic...
[10:03] <mdke> claude, yeah i agree. the two main docs aren't long tbh
[10:04] <mdke> they shouldn't take long to translate
[10:04] <mdke> hopefully we'll get some back soon
[10:04] <mdke> one question
[10:04] <claude> there isn't any translators community for now
[10:04] <mdke> claude, this is the first translating i've done so am pretty n00b, i noticed that in the french po the accents come out funny on my poEdit
[10:04] <mdke> do you know why this is?
[10:04] <claude> just some guys asking how they can help
[10:05] <claude> are you in UTF-8 ?
[10:05] <mdke> yeah
[10:05] <mdke> my accents came out ok
[10:05] <mdke> maybe poEdit has a problem
[10:06] <mdke> but it got me a bit worried
[10:06] <mdke> shall i get a screenshot of the behaviour?
[10:06] <claude> i'm not using poEdit
[10:07] <mdke> what do you use?
[10:07] <claude> gTranslator or kBabel (just to make froud hapy :) )
[10:08] <mdke> gtranslator wouldn't open the files for me
[10:08] <froud> KBabel rocks
[10:08] <claude> i had also problem with gtranslator
[10:08] <mdke> heres the screenshot
[10:08] <claude> i'm installing poedit
[10:09] <mdke> http://mdke.mine.nu/images/po.png
[10:09] <mdke> top window is french, bottom italian
[10:10] <mdke> the french version says charset iso-8859-1
[10:10] <mdke> just noticed
[10:12] <mdke> which charset should it be in?
[10:12] <claude> utf-8
[10:13] <mdke> well its definitely not
[10:13] <mdke> just got the new version from snv
[10:13] <mdke> svn
[10:13] <claude> dont' know why poedit find this 8859-1...
[10:13] <mdke> unless poEdit has some crazy problem
[10:13] <mdke> hmm
[10:13] <mdke> it is utf8?
[10:13] <claude> "Content-Type: application/x-xml2pot; charset=UTF-8\n"
[10:13] <claude> line 13 of po file
[10:14] <mdke> i know
[10:14] <mdke> its the capital letters
[10:14] <mdke> maybe
[10:15] <claude> no
[10:15] <mdke> mine says "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8\n"
[10:15] <mdke> different content type
[10:15] <mdke> :/
[10:16] <mdke> oh dear, have i done something wrong?
[10:17] <mdke> claude, comparing the documents I also see that the french version includes things like: #. Tag: subtitle and ~.Tag: para. My one doesn't have these.
[10:18] <claude> don't know if this matter
[10:18] <mdke> hope not
[10:18] <claude> i'm no more experienced user than you, you know ! 
[10:18] <mdke> heh
[10:19] <mdke> this is my first attempt at translating
[10:19] <mdke> i had never heard of .po files before
[10:19] <claude> i did, but juste a little, little little :)
[10:19] <mdke> :)
[10:19] <mdke> well let's hope it works
[10:19] <mdke> does anyone know anything about it?
[10:20] <claude> could you send your po file to the list, to be included in svn ?
[10:20] <mdke> i will do so tomorrow
[10:20] <claude> we'll try to regenerate the italian xml 
[10:20] <mdke> i am waiting on corrections from someone else
[10:20] <claude> k
[10:22] <mdke> will try and hurry it
[10:22] <claude> make an 'po2xml original.xml yourfile.po > original-it.xml'
[10:22] <claude> and see the result in yelp
[10:22] <mdke> what package do i need to install?
[10:23] <claude> poxml (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepl18n)
[10:23] <mdke> ok
[10:26] <claude> froud: do you know when the defintive ubuntu-docs freeze for Hoary will be ?
[10:27] <froud> We have frozen about-ubuntu, release-notes and quick guide
[10:27] <froud> only crital issues can get in now
[10:27] <froud> other docs are open for work
[10:27] <claude> i18n IS critical :)
[10:28] <froud> yes
[10:28] <froud> the en docs are frozen
[10:28] <froud> to enable l18n
[10:28] <froud> we hope to get as many po files in as possible
[10:28] <claude> until ... ?
[10:28] <froud> Hoary release is now 8th April
[10:29] <froud> as apposed to 6th
[10:29] <mdke> is that for our benefit?
[10:29] <froud> I would say aiming at 6th is a good date
[10:29] <froud> no
[10:30] <claude> however the scripts seems not ready
[10:30] <froud> claude: which scripts
[10:31] <froud> those from trickie
[10:31] <claude> Makefile, deb packaging
[10:31] <froud> first we must have the xml and then enrico needs to do his stuff
[10:31] <claude> enrico ? in the coffee shops :)
[10:32] <claude> i'm doubting :(
[10:32] <froud> he is back but he is tired
[10:32] <froud> enrico will get his part done you can count on him
[10:32] <claude> hr told me he was in Amsterdam for two weeks...
[10:33] <froud> trickie is working on methods to transform from po to xml
[10:33] <froud> yes
[10:33] <claude> yes, i saw, that part seems ok
[10:33] <froud> if we need to then one of the devs will do the rest
[10:33] <froud> perhaps jdub
[10:34] <froud> or thom
[10:34] <mdke> claude, ok i've generated the xml
[10:34] <mdke> its not brilliant
[10:35] <claude> thks froud
[10:35] <froud> claude: do you feel like translating 600 pages
[10:35] <claude> arghhhh
[10:35] <claude> 8-P
[10:36] <froud> 7 documents
[10:36] <claude> please stop !
[10:36] <mdke> claude, screenshot at http://mdke.mine.nu/images/xml.png, i've left the error i got from terminal on it too
[10:36] <froud> porting from OOo Writer to Docbook
[10:36] <claude> mdke: could you just send me your po (paroz@email.ch)
[10:36] <mdke> ok
[10:37] <mdke> claude, sent
[10:37] <mdke> the accents seem to have come out ok, but the index is not right (i assume)
[10:38] <mdke> claude, i've generated an xml with the french po file, and it looks the same, so probably everything is ok
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[10:40] <froud> what a strange word for a menuitem
[10:40] <froud> How to translate that
[10:40] <froud> :-)
[10:40] <mdke> gnome 2.8 uses that
[10:40] <mdke> actions
[10:44] <mdke> claude, http://mdke.mine.nu/images/xml-fr.png
[10:44] <claude> mdke: yes, you have to execute the xml file in the context of ubuntu-doc
[10:44] <claude> in the about-ubuntu folder
[10:45] <mdke> i did
[10:45] <claude> otherwise, the relative links doesn't resolve
[10:45] <mdke> hmm
[10:45] <mdke> if I do yelp ubuntu-doc/aboutubuntu/aboutubuntu.xml, i get the same thing
[10:46] <mdke> i won't do another screenshot, but its the same
[10:47] <mdke> anyway the important thing is that the -it.po seems to be ok
[10:47] <claude> yes, the it xml file seems ok for me
[10:47] <mdke> phew
[10:47] <mdke> ok thanks VERY much for your help
[10:47] <froud> mdke: send the po when you are ready with it
[10:47] <mdke> froud, will do