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[06:30] <fabbione> morning guys
[08:22] <lamont> there's also the question of why my vaio freequently has no batteries, according to acpi according to the kernel
[08:23] <fabbione> lamont: i am sure mjg59 has an aswer to that
[08:23] <lamont> probably
[08:25] <fabbione> but i think it's a bit late for a fix
[08:26] <lamont> yeah
[08:27] <lamont> scary part is that I noticed it (figured I'd deleted a module or something), upgraded and rebooted, and it got better.  rebooted and it's back.
[08:27] <lamont> nfc what's going on
[08:27] <fabbione> weird
[08:27] <fabbione> brb
[08:39] <fabbione> re
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[03:41] <zul> hey
[03:49] <zul> cool..http://kernelplanet.org/
[04:46] <fabbione> hey
[04:46] <zul> how is it gonig?
[04:47] <fabbione> not too bad
[04:47] <zul> giid...im stuck writing documenation
[04:50] <fabbione> i should really spend time to add my blog somewhere
[04:51] <fabbione> given that i can remember to actually blog :)
[04:52] <zul> im not really into blogging
[04:55] <zul> ill read them though
[04:55] <fabbione> neither am i.. too much
[05:00] <fabbione> interesting is the comment on memset
[05:00] <fabbione> s/comment/blog/
[05:01] <zul> yeah i found two in s390 scsi drivers in 2.6.12-rc1
[05:03] <zul> i was thinking of patching the others that he found
[05:03] <fabbione> not worth
[05:03] <fabbione> we don't support s390
[05:06] <zul> i know i was going to send it off to kj
[05:06] <zul> i do have a life outside of ubuntu ;)
[05:08] <fabbione> ehehe
[05:16] <zul> heh...2.6.12-rc1-zul.patch
[05:18] <zul> oh yah meeting today isnt there?
[05:19] <fabbione> yeps
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[06:27] <zul> whee...im going to go try kubuntu
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[06:33] <zul> well thats ood..
[06:34] <fabbione> let me tell ya
[06:34] <fabbione> you need to select the session and switch it to KDE
[06:34] <fabbione> otherwise you only get kdm and gnome
[06:34] <zul> im running with kdm
[06:34] <zul> how do i switch the session?
[06:35] <fabbione> from kdm
[06:35] <zul> ah ok...brb :)
[06:35] <fabbione> ehhe
[06:35] <zul> duh..
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[06:38] <zul> everything is real big
[06:39] <zul> fonts and stuff
[06:39] <fabbione> zul: 8396 looks so much as pure crap
[06:40] <zul> no info in the bug as well
[06:41] <fabbione> clearly
[06:44] <zul> lunch
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[07:16] <fabbione> hey guys
[07:16] <fabbione> i need a name for -32
[07:17] <fabbione> ah hell.. brb
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[07:19] <fabbione> re
[07:19] <fabbione> hey T-Bone 
[07:20] <fabbione> "Burning Biscuits"?
[07:20] <fabbione> "Smelly sausages"?
[07:20] <T-Bone> hey fabbione !
=== T-Bone wonders what fabbione is talking about ;)
[07:21] <fabbione> T-Bone: check the last changelogs in the kernel..
[07:21] <fabbione> i am searching a name for -32
[07:21] <T-Bone> ah ;)
[07:21] <T-Bone> fabbione: well, if you could fix the concurrency stuff in modules btw... :)
[07:22] <fabbione> "Radioactive Radish"
[07:22] <fabbione> "Super Spinach"
[07:22] <fabbione> T-Bone: ?
[07:23] <T-Bone> fabbione: the mail i sent you before going on vacation
[07:23] <fabbione> T-Bone: got no mails from you
[07:23] <kylem> T-Bone, hmm, i see the same problem, i think
[07:23] <fabbione> "Marvelous Marrow"
[07:24] <fabbione> can anybody explain the problem to me?
[07:24] <T-Bone> fabbione: Message-ID: <oN17ozdC.1111679287.0706720.varenet@localhost>
[07:24] <T-Bone> To: Fabio Massimo Di Nitto <fabbione@ubuntu.com>
[07:24] <T-Bone> Subject: kernel modules build
[07:24] <T-Bone> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:48:07 +0100
[07:25] <fabbione> T-Bone: i don't have that mail....
[07:25] <T-Bone> fabbione: now you have it (just forwarded again)
[07:26] <fabbione> ah that's a bug in kernel package to maintain compatibility with 2.4
[07:26] <fabbione> bug/feature
[07:26] <fabbione> it depends how you want to see it
[07:26] <T-Bone> err
[07:27] <fabbione> but i think we are going to change that
[07:27] <fabbione> T-Bone: on 2.6 it is enough to do make
[07:27] <fabbione> and everything is built
[07:27] <T-Bone> i don't understand how not compiling modules in a threaded way is a feature, nor how it preserves compat... :}
[07:27] <fabbione> on 2.4 iirc you need to call make bzImage and make modules
[07:27] <fabbione> therefor make modules is called twice
[07:27] <T-Bone> right
[07:27] <T-Bone> ah
[07:28] <fabbione> but it's a mistake
[07:28] <fabbione> easily fixable
[07:28] <fabbione> -> breezy
[07:28] <T-Bone> am i to understand that we really want our builders to spend time on kernels? :O)
[07:28] <T-Bone> the patch frenzy, now the modules frenzy, gosh... ;}
[07:28] <fabbione> T-Bone: if you really want to spend time on kernels just baz get the experimental branch and build on i386 :)
[07:28] <T-Bone> err, no way ;)
[07:30] <fabbione> so any suggestion for -32 release name?
[07:31] <T-Bone> Terrible Tomato?
[07:31] <fabbione> nah needs to be positive
[07:31] <T-Bone> lol
[07:31] <fabbione> Tripping Tomato :)
[07:31] <T-Bone> LOL
[07:31] <fabbione> as in "Tripping" when you are badly stoned :)
[07:31] <T-Bone> yeah i got that :)
[07:32] <fabbione> "Orgasmic Onion"
[07:32] <fabbione> THERE!
[07:34] <T-Bone> i love that one :)
[07:34] <fabbione> which one?
[07:34] <fabbione> i wrote a few tons :)
[07:34] <T-Bone> the orgasmic one, of course ;)
[07:35] <fabbione> lamont: what is your suggestion?
[07:35] <lamont> hrm... kids aren't here to ask....
[07:35] <T-Bone> lol
[07:35] <T-Bone> kids don't read changelogs ;)
[07:36] <fabbione> no.. but they can make good entries for it
[07:36] <lamont> no, but they have really cool names, like atomic artichoke
[07:36] <lamont> horny horse? nah
[07:36] <T-Bone> lol
[07:36] <fabbione> didn't we agree on vegetables for hoary?
[07:36] <lamont> oh right, no meat
[07:36] <T-Bone> hmm
[07:36] <fabbione> we will need to find another category of food for breezy
[07:37] <lamont> colorful carrot?
[07:37] <lamont> bitchin' beet?
=== lamont is rambling, not voting
=== T-Bone votes for Orgasmic Onion ;)
[07:37] <fabbione> i think the best 3 atm are:
[07:37] <fabbione> "Orgasmic Onions"
[07:38] <fabbione> "Tripping Tomatoes"
[07:38] <fabbione> "Radioactive Radish"
[07:38] <fabbione> "Super Spinach"
[07:38] <fabbione> "Marvelous Marrow"
[07:38] <T-Bone> that's 4
[07:38] <T-Bone> 5
[07:38] <fabbione> meh 5
[07:38] <lamont> I like R and M bets
[07:38] <lamont> best
=== T-Bone would reduce the set to the first 3 which are (imho) very cool
=== lamont votes radish
[07:39] <lamont> afterall, the artichoke just blew up last release...
[07:39] <fabbione> radish ++
[07:39] <T-Bone> there you go then => Radish :)
[07:40] <fabbione> actually.. -29 went out with meat
[07:40] <fabbione> it was crispy chicken
[07:40] <fabbione> anyway
[07:40] <fabbione> Radish is
[07:40] <lamont> nah - chickens are the vegitables of the animal world. :-)
[07:40] <fabbione> ehheh
=== T-Bone points lamont at some other window he's been consistently ignoring :)
[07:42] <fabbione> i am releasing -32
[07:42] <T-Bone> you are such a bad guy ;o)
[07:43] <fabbione> i know :)
[07:43] <T-Bone> =)
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[07:56] <lamont> fabbione: does that mean that the RC bits are officially out?
[07:56] <fabbione> pre33 is almost there :)
[07:56] <lamont> s/RC/so-called RC
[07:56] <fabbione> lamont: we can upload, so RC is closed
[07:56] <lamont> ah, ok
[07:56] <lamont> s/can upload/can upload after checking with god or his arch-angel/
[07:57] <fabbione> lamont: well we have only one security fix for -32
[07:57] <fabbione> and one ACPI mega urgent super grave fix
[07:57] <lamont> right
[07:57] <fabbione> pretty simple stuff
[07:57] <fabbione> but yes, we need mdz clearance
[07:58] <zul> hey T-Bone 
[07:58] <T-Bone> hey zul 
[07:58] <zul> how is it going
[07:58] <T-Bone> quite fine. 5 days of ski did some good to me :)
[07:59] <fabbione> -32 is on the way to jackass
[07:59] <zul> good
[07:59] <fabbione> that means that if we are lucky we will hit the next daily in 4 minutes
[07:59] <fabbione> T-Bone: we have a kernel meeting this evening
[07:59] <fabbione> at 20:00 UTC
[08:00] <fabbione> just that you know
[08:00] <T-Bone> fabbione: yeah i remember. thx for reminding me anyway :)
[08:00] <T-Bone> fabbione: i'll be there
[08:00] <fabbione> we lost the daily...
[08:04] <zul> hmmm?
[08:06] <fabbione> zul: nevermind.. it will just take 30 minutes more to see the kernel images on archive
[08:08] <zul> ah] 
[08:13] <fabbione> the -pre33 is ready
[08:13] <fabbione> merging pre33 to experimental now...
[08:13] <fabbione> let see how good is baz merge :)
[08:15] <fabbione> ah nice bug
[08:15] <lamont> hrm.. gues I better go to lunch if I have to be back online in 90 min
=== fabbione fires up malone
[08:15] <fabbione> lamont: the meeting is in 1:45
[08:15] <lamont> yeah
[08:15] <lamont> back in a while
[08:16] <fabbione> sure
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[08:58] <zul> frigging documentation
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[09:28] <zul> brb
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[09:45] <lamont> meeting in 14 minutes
[09:46] <T-Gone> sigh, no time to watch an anime episode :}
[09:46] <zul> slacker
[09:47] <T-Bone> that's my surname :)
[09:47] <T-Bone> s/sur/middle/
[09:47] <zul> i know...
[09:48] <zul> i was going to say something witty but i forgot
[09:48] <T-Bone> HA HA HA HA
[09:48] <T-Bone> your nastyness is eating your brain ;)
[09:48] <zul> yes its called documenatation
[09:49] <T-Bone> lol
[09:49] <zul> spellchecker sucks
[09:51] <fabbione> re
[09:51] <zul> heyho
[09:51] <fabbione> T-Slacker-Bone
[09:52] <T-Bone> a bit long, but that's the idea ;)
[09:52] <zul> that sounds dirty
[09:52] <zul> brb
[09:52] <fabbione> ehhe
[09:55] <T-Bone> lamont: seen what i pasted elsewhere, btw?
[09:56] <lamont> yeah
[09:56] <T-Bone> ok
[09:57] <zul> mmm....agua
[09:57] <zul> i rather have caffine though
[11:25] <lamont> so... ppc install... finished, reboots, hangs after telling me that it's loading the kernel...
[11:26] <T-Bone> lamont: imac?
[11:26] <lamont> iMac G3
[11:26] <T-Bone> welcome to hell :)
[11:26] <lamont> yes, with color
[11:26] <T-Bone> =)
[11:26] <T-Bone> i have a bondi blue imac
[11:27] <T-Bone> i've never been able to install any linux distro on it
[11:27] <T-Bone> and i fought hard
[11:27] <zul> i blame t-bone
[11:27] <lamont> T-Bone: warty installed just fine, thank you
[11:27] <T-Bone> lamont: oh, then it's much better than what you claimed ;)
[11:27] <lamont> then again this go round, the CD is throwing read errors...
[11:27] <zul> right im going home...c ya around
[11:28] <T-Bone> lamont: don't use vinyls to burn an iso ;)
[11:28] <fabbione> lamont: i would try netboot :)
[11:28] <lamont> T-Bone: made it clear through the install, this is on the first reboot
[11:28] <lamont> fabbione: if I had a netboot image... must pester colin, or just go grab it.
[11:28] <fabbione> anyway i need to crash
[11:29] <fabbione> i am just way too tired
[11:29] <fabbione> cya later
[11:29] <lamont> later
[11:32] <T-Bone> malloc: ../bash/unwind_prot.c:192: assertion botched
[11:32] <T-Bone> malloc: block on free list clobbered
[11:32] <T-Bone> Aborting...make: *** [configure-stamp]  Segmentation fault
[11:32] <T-Bone> just *sweet*
[11:33] <lamont> I've seen that..
[11:33] <lamont> was either bash or glibc
[11:33] <T-Bone> that's konserve, during autoconf
[11:35] <lamont> you aren't being silly and running 2.6.8-SMP are you?
[11:35] <T-Bone> i have an interesting evolution build failure as well. Looks like build-dep aren't restrictive enough, it fails on unsatisfied configure checks
[11:35] <T-Bone> i am running 2.6.8.1 SMP, sure ;o)
[11:36] <lamont> configure check failures are normal for many packages.
[11:36] <T-Bone> as to me being silly, that's a matter for endless discussions ;o)
=== lamont found that he got many fewer funky failures after going back to UP, declared 2.6.8.1 SMP to be unfit
[11:36] <T-Bone> shit
[11:37] <T-Bone> though it's true i had to retriger a few strangely failed packages
[11:37] <lamont> interestingly, I notice that I'm now runing 2.6.10-4-hppa64
=== lamont feels really brave, apt-get dist-upgrades his buildd real-root
[11:38] <T-Bone> lamont: i did that without much issues
[11:38] <lamont> yeah
[11:38] <T-Bone> you'll see glibc updated ;)
[11:38] <T-Bone> (if you use my archive, of course :)
[11:39] <lamont> or mine
[11:39] <T-Bone> tssks
[11:39] <lamont> my archive tends to stay current, it's just very, um, partiall
[11:39] <T-Bone> lol
[11:40] <lamont> and since I'm already fetching source, building the .debs here keeps down my bandwidth abuse...
[11:40] <T-Bone> well, mine should grow a bit faster, there's now two machines building
=== lamont has an a500 and a b180...
[11:40] <T-Bone> interestingly, one is running a 2.6.11 -pa kernel
[11:40] <lamont> so, 1.1 machines. :-)
[11:40] <T-Bone> lol
[11:40] <T-Bone> i have a500 and l1000 both running smp
[11:40] <T-Bone> and soon i'll have sweet beasts to back up (j6k)
[11:41] <lamont> Linux b180.mmjgroup.com 2.6.10-3-hppa32 #1 Tue Feb 8 05:16:06 UTC 2005 parisc GNU/Linux
[11:41] <lamont> Linux smallone 2.6.10-4-hppa64 #1 Sat Mar 12 04:41:16 UTC 2005 parisc64 GNU/Linux
[11:41] <T-Bone> lamont: btw, did you ocmpletely drop my work on reducing the -pa patchset? :}
[11:41] <lamont> patch files are there, I thought.
[11:42] <lamont> they're there - just not used right now, because the 'slow as a dog' issues came in with the patch..
=== T-Bone notices that atlas3 takes *ages* to build on the a500
[11:42] <T-Bone> lamont: huhu
[11:42] <lamont> 2.75 hours on sarti
[11:43] <T-Bone> 2h45?
[11:43] <T-Bone> or 3h+ ?
[11:44] <lamont> 2:46 actually
=== T-Bone notices the build is currently somewhere in the testsuite
[11:44] <lamont> atlas3:                 02:46:44 (14 entries, sigma 00:32:28)
[11:44] <lamont> so 3:15 wouldn't be surprising
[11:44] <T-Bone> been building for 2h50
[11:45] <T-Bone> lamont: btw, i'd welcome any stat script you'd hand over... :)
=== lamont tries to remember what files he needs for netboot
[11:52] <T-Bone> unfortunately i've never tried to netboot one of my ppc machines. I guess i'll ask you how to do that when the time comes ;)
[11:58] <lamont> T-Bone: heh