[12:00] <Burgundavia> CarlK: does the hoary livecd boot?
[12:00] <revelater> hey,
[12:00] <CarlK> Burgundavia - I forget ;)
[12:00] <ren0> For the record I prefer apt-get but Its good to know the alternatives
[12:00] <Burgundavia> CarlK: if it does, then it is harddrive
[12:00] <WeirdAl> damn, Kemist left
[12:00] <Burgundavia> revelater: salut
[12:00] <revelater> i am only getting like 18 fps in some screensavers...
[12:00] <Burgundavia> revelater: what kind of video card?
[12:00] <revelater> SALUT!!!
[12:00] <CarlK> Burgundavia - I'll try live, but before I reboot it, is there anything to look at right now?
[12:00] <revelater> ati radeon 9800
[12:00] <revelater> pro
[12:01] <WeirdAl> I know it's not an Ubuntu question, but does anyone happen to know what the file browser in DSL is called?
[12:01] <rcaskey_> is it possible to suspend to a swapfile on /  instead of a swap partition?
[12:01] <Burgundavia> revelater: you using fglrx drivers?
[12:01] <terry97> dillo
[12:01] <revelater> Burgundavia i anstalled them... do i have to restart though?
[12:01] <WeirdAl> Ah, cheers
[12:01] <WeirdAl> Wondered what that was :-)
[12:01] <Burgundavia> revelater: just restart your x-server ctrl-alt-bksp
[12:02] <revelater> yah but i got alot of torrents up and running right now... but a restart should fix it then?
[12:02] <Burgundavia> revelater: that will kill your current session
[12:02] <Burgundavia> revelater: so wait until they are done and do that
[12:02] <Burgundavia> revelater: should solve your problems
[12:03] <CarlK> Burgundavia - this is how I have been doing my tests: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocalNetInstall
[12:03] <revelater> Burgundavia lol, ok only about 3 weeks left then!!!
[12:03] <Burgundavia> revelater: lol
[12:03] <revelater> Burgundavia, thanks for the help
[12:03] <Burgundavia> CarlK: you installing the system using that?
[12:03] <Burgundavia> revelater: np
[12:03] <revelater> exit
[12:03] <CarlK> Burgundavia - yes
[12:04] <Burgundavia> CarlK: have you tried a cd install?
[12:04] <CarlK> Burgundavia - I have tried burning a CD or 2, 'same' ressults
[12:04] <Burgundavia> CarlK: ok
[12:04] <CarlK> not exactly the same, cuz it is a different place each time
[12:04] <Burgundavia> CarlK: then I would swap the hdd into another box and do that
[12:04] <CarlK> k
[12:04] <Burgundavia> linux is pretty good about dealing with hardware changes
[12:04] <dud> as a side note.. the torrent technology enables you to close a torrent and start off where you left off you know
[12:06] <CarlK> dud - close?  BT lets you step all over your fiels, and it will fix the damaged parts too
[12:06] <hou5ton> Burgundavia:  I see you are very busy ... but did you have any thoughts on that Real Player issue?
[12:06] <CarlK> close if for wimps ;)
[12:06] <WeirdAl> Yeah! It works!
[12:06] <Burgundavia> hou5ton: sorry
[12:07] <Burgundavia> hou5ton: yes, you need to go to edit-->prefs-->downloads
[12:07] <Burgundavia> hou5ton: then the plugins button
[12:07] <Burgundavia> hou5ton: then disable the plugin for the ra and ram
[12:07] <Burgundavia> hou5ton: then add your custom one in the box labelled file types
[12:07] <MrG|nix> evening
[12:08] <kroot> how many ppl are using ubuntu ?
[12:08] <Burgundavia> kroot: uh?
[12:09] <WeirdAl> someone give me a console command to change my keyboard layout to British English? No rush, just curious.
[12:09] <MrG|nix> need some advice re Nforce2 sound problems
[12:09] <kroot> i think that distrowatch ratings are fixed
[12:10] <Burgundavia> kroot: what do you mean?
[12:10] <kroot> what ive said
[12:10] <Burgundavia> MrG|nix: what is the issue?
[12:10] <Burgundavia> kroot: please provide your evidence?
[12:11] <kroot> LOL
[12:11] <hou5ton> Burgundavia:  That is the confusing part ... when I click on Plug-ins, it only lists two: SPL and SWF.  And then in the File Types window, there seems to be no way to add anything to that window?
[12:11] <MrG|nix> well i`ve read the readme with regard installation of nvidia drivers and it refers to commenting out modules
[12:11] <Burgundavia> hou5ton: is seems to be borked
[12:11] <MrG|nix> but cannot find the config file with these modules in it
[12:11] <Burgundavia> hou5ton: if that doesn't help, then sorry I cannot help you
[12:11] <hou5ton> Burgundavia:  You mean my own install of Firefox, ... or that function of Firefox in general?
[12:11] <Burgundavia> hou5ton: seems to fx in general
[12:12] <rodnarms> Anyone have the new human theme turned on in Hoary
[12:12] <hou5ton> ok ... thanks
[12:12] <Burgundavia> rodnarms: yes
[12:12] <rodnarms> Hoary icon theme I mean
[12:12] <kroot> i love linux its so .. so .. retro !
[12:12] <rodnarms> It rocks!
[12:12] <Burgundavia> rodnarms: no
[12:12] <Burgundavia> kroot: can I ask what your point of coming in here?
[12:12] <kroot> chat
[12:12] <Burgundavia> kroot: s/here/here is
[12:12] <MrG|nix> anyway main problem with the sound is i get none in any games
[12:12] <rodnarms> You have to manually select the new human icon theme in the theme settings. Its not set as default yet.
[12:13] <Burgundavia> kroot: ok, but comments like linux is so retro can be taken very badly
[12:13] <Burgundavia> kroot: do you use ubuntu?
[12:13] <kroot> why ?
[12:13] <kroot> you got some problem with free opinions ?
[12:13] <Burgundavia> kroot: this channel is for the discussion of ubuntu and support of same
[12:13] <fissy> -kroot- VERSION irssi v0.8.9 - running on Linux i686
[12:14] <ren0> WeirdAl, I thought the British invented the language. Are there pretenders to the throne?
[12:14] <CarlK> Burgundavia - I have a script to pull "anthing usefull" from the box so that on the 10th fail maybe a pattern can be found - http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Mar29/1112134137/cpl.sh
[12:14] <WeirdAl> Yeah, the Americans.
[12:14] <kroot> fissy: mind you r buisness
[12:14] <CarlK> can you think of anything else that I should specifically get?
[12:14] <WeirdAl> They have a silly layout with | in the wrong place and " is not above the 2
[12:14] <rodnarms> Ubuntu is like the ONLY distro where I can connect using my cable modem. All the others are useless to me.
[12:15] <WeirdAl> How do I get ls to show me the free space on the disk?
[12:15] <fissy> i'm a 'buisness'
[12:15] <fissy> ?
[12:15] <rodnarms> God bless PPPOECONF
[12:15] <fissy> df WeirdAl
[12:15] <WeirdAl> thanks
[12:15] <WeirdAl> woah
[12:15] <WeirdAl> O_o
[12:15] <kroot> rodnarms: thats odd
[12:15] <Kikyo1> G'day.
[12:15] <Kikyo1> Could anyone please try to help me? I have a problem with cedega.. when I try to run Baldur's Gate as multiplayer it can't detect any protocols, and I'd like it if it could atleast detect IPX so that I could play with my party consisting of mainly characters I've created.. (i.e, I don't need it to connect to other pople.)
[12:15] <ren0> WeirdAl, are you running gnome?
[12:16] <rcaskey_> also, be there any news on OOo2 via gcj?
[12:16] <Kikyo1> people even*
[12:16] <WeirdAl> I am on this PC yea
[12:16] <WeirdAl> On the one I'm recovering I'm running DSL
[12:17] <erich> Something is wrong with my evolution... :-( it doesn't load my imap folder. :-(
[12:17] <rodnarms> I have a question. Im running Hoary on PPC and for some reason I can't download flashplayer-mozilla. It says its not there. Universe is selected in repositories though
[12:17] <fissy> you can see your free space using gnome-system-monitor, i think is what ren0 might have been  about to say
[12:17] <ren0> If you are Sytem > Preferences >Keyboard Prefernces...there is a tab for layouts. Might be in their. I have a colonial keyboard.
[12:17] <Burgundavia> rcaskey_: currently being worked on from what I understand
[12:17] <fissy> ok, not that :)
[12:17] <Kikyo1> *Rolls his die to check if his question scores a critical miss or if anyone replies. ;)*
[12:17] <kroot> how high did ubuntu score with nsa security avaliation programs ?
[12:17] <Burgundavia> rodnarms: I don't think there is flashplayer for PPC
[12:18] <ren0> System. This Aussie wine is good.
[12:18] <WeirdAl> ren0: I don't have gnome on the computer I want it for :-)
[12:18] <rodnarms> apt-get install acroread-plugin
[12:18] <Burgundavia> kroot: ?
[12:18] <rodnarms> whoops sorry
[12:18] <WeirdAl> This computer's already setup for British.
[12:18] <ren0> Sorry.
[12:18] <fissy> avaliation? is that how far an ubuntu box can be thrown?
[12:18] <WeirdAl> np
[12:18] <kroot> you dont have nsa security programs ?
[12:18] <Burgundavia> kroot: please, if you are attempting to troll, just have out with it
[12:18] <rodnarms> hmm that sucks burgundavia.
[12:18] <Burgundavia> kroot: if you love mac os x, then find an appropriate channel
[12:18] <kroot> im trolling ?
[12:18] <Kikyo1> Anyone experienced in Cedega/WineX and IPX configuration for it, please PM me. ^^
[12:19] <kroot> mac os x ?
[12:19] <CarlK> Burgundavia - you were asking about my hardware comphortness: http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Mar29/1112134137/p1010002.jpg
[12:19] <Burgundavia> CarlK: I am seeing a lot of wires
[12:20] <Burgundavia> CarlK: I generally give away the old computer stuff I don't use
[12:20] <kroot> carlkox rox
[12:20] <CarlK> the box with the yellow floppy is the e-crap that keeps freaking out
[12:20] <roo_> hi all
[12:20] <roo_> :)
[12:20] <ren0> WeirdAl, during sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg you get to pick the keyboard.
[12:20] <ren0> Just an idea
[12:21] <Burgundavia> kroot: could you point me at a url for the nsa stuff?
[12:21] <Burgundavia> kroot: are we talking selinux?
[12:21] <kroot> www.nsa.gov
[12:21] <Burgundavia> kroot: the nsa linux stuff?
[12:21] <kroot> no the nsa linux security avaliataion tools
[12:21] <CarlK> Burgundavia - but what if you give away a box to someone who wants to install ubuntu on it? ;)
[12:21] <Xira> Hi, when I install Skype it runs OK under root, but when I launch it under a regular user it's INCREDIBLY slow
[12:21] <fissy> urrg the nsa use flash
[12:21] <Xira> How can I fix this?
[12:21] <rodnarms> what are mstt core fonts?
[12:22] <WeirdAl> I might try that if I don't get to choose when I reinstall
[12:22] <Xira> rodnarms, windows fonts
[12:22] <Burgundavia> rodnarms: part of the old web core fonts inititave
[12:22] <rodnarms> thanks xira. thats what I thought. Wanted to be sure though
[12:22] <fissy> rodnarms, microsoft used to freely distribute some windows fonts so that everyone could use them on websites
[12:22] <MrG|nix> so anyone had any experiences of Nforce2 sound issues ?
[12:23] <QMario> No.
[12:23] <SuperQ> woot
[12:23] <Burgundavia> MrG|nix: I also run nforce2, but I need more details to try and solve your problem
[12:23] <Xira> Can anyone help me with my ubuntu-skype issue?
[12:23] <QMario> Does anyone know how to make Windows users see shared folders in Samba?
[12:23] <kroot> i think some one tested fedora and got aroung 7 score
[12:23] <MrG|nix> well I get no sound in any games
[12:23] <Kikyo1> Anyone got some time to aid a innocent little linux-newbie .? :)
[12:23] <Kikyo1> My Cedega/WineX can't detect IPX; thus I cannot play games like Baldur's Gate or Red Alert in multiplayer nor skirmish..
[12:23] <MrG|nix> /dev/dsp unable to allocate memory
[12:24] <MrG|nix> is the error message
[12:24] <kroot> you got cedega ?
[12:24] <Kikyo1> Yeah
[12:24] <kroot> i dont
[12:24] <Kikyo1> That was helpful. ;)
[12:24] <Burgundavia> MrG|nix: you running hoary?
[12:24] <MrG|nix> yes
[12:25] <Burgundavia> MrG|nix: try 'killall esd' just before you run your game
[12:25] <QMario> Does anyone know?
[12:25] <l3wwy> hello, i have hoary hedgehog preview, and i want it to work with my davicom 10/100 network card throguh dhcp.  Can anyone help?
[12:25] <QMario> QDF
[12:25] <kroot> we got a cedega terrorrist in the facinity
[12:25] <Burgundavia> l3wwy: pcmcia?
[12:25] <l3wwy> nup PCI
[12:25] <Burgundavia> l3wwy: should just work
[12:25] <l3wwy> yeh well
[12:25] <l3wwy> it doesnt
[12:25] <Burgundavia> l3wwy: does it see the card?
[12:26] <MrG|nix> erm i get no process killed ???
[12:26] <ren0> WeirdAl, http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/23/TheAnswerGirl.pdf Stuff about british keyboards in that.
[12:26] <kroot> open you box and introduce the sound card to the ubuntu cdrom
[12:26] <mikeygeek> m
[12:26] <l3wwy> yes it sees the card
[12:27] <Burgundavia> l3wwy: try 'sudo dhclient eth0'
[12:27] <l3wwy> tried
[12:27] <Lithi> whats the command to configure xfree86/xorg?
[12:27] <l3wwy> its eth1 i want
[12:27] <l3wwy> doesnt work
[12:27] <Burgundavia> hmm
[12:27] <thenuke> Lithi: dpkg reconfigure xfree or something like that :)
[12:27] <Burgundavia> what does dmesg say?
[12:27] <Xira> Can anyone help me get Skype working under Ubuntu? It worked fine under FC3
[12:27] <robodex> dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:27] <robodex> err
[12:27] <robodex> remember sudo :p
[12:27] <l3wwy> dmesg?
[12:27] <mjr> Kikyo1, just a thought, but have you tried sudo modprobe ipx?
[12:28] <kroot> dont he needs spx too ?
[12:28] <mikeygeek> any ppc ubuntu users ??
[12:29] <kroot> i think ipx/spx is patented by novel
[12:29] <tritium> l3wwy, remember our warning to you about the md5sum of your xorg.conf ?
[12:29] <MrG|nix> Burgundavia, by the looks of things esd ain`t running
[12:29] <WeirdAl> Handy ren0. How handy :-) thanks
[12:29] <Burgundavia> MrG|nix: there are some sound issues with hoary with some people
[12:30] <dockane> whats wrong with "nautilus applications:///Internet" ?
[12:30] <MrG|nix> yer looks like it :/
[12:30] <dockane> as a terminal command ?
[12:30] <marska> Hello.. I'm trying to download the 3.5 gig Debian installer and I see I need jidgo to download it, but the package isn't available on the Synaptic Ubuntu. Is there a way to obtain jidgo so that I may download the image?
[12:30] <MrG|nix> hopefully a fix will be forthcoming
[12:30] <Burgundavia> dockane: applications:/// doesn't exist in hoary
[12:30] <kroot> whats the point of running a distro that you cant get root ?
[12:30] <thenuke> kroot: why you cant get root :(
[12:30] <dockane> Burgundavia, is there a equivalent ?
[12:30] <Burgundavia> kroot: you can get root, you just use suod
[12:30] <Jimbob> kroot: "sudo -s"
[12:30] <tritium> marska, jigdo is in universe
[12:31] <Burgundavia> dockane: no
[12:31] <Burgundavia> dockane: sorry
[12:31] <Burgundavia> dockane: this is an upstream issue with gnome
[12:31] <CarlK> kroot - it is safer, especially for people that don't see the point ;)
[12:31] <l3wwy> yeh, the driver is in the dmesg thingo
[12:31] <evan_d> I accidently changed the root password, how do I change it back to the way it was when 4.10 was installed?
[12:31] <kroot> so if you can get root why isnt it available as usual ?
[12:31] <marska> Tritium - How do I enable "universe" ?
[12:31] <dockane> Burgundavia, what is a upstream issue ? (sorry for my poor english)
[12:31] <Burgundavia> kroot: sudo is used as it is generally better
[12:31] <l3wwy> dmfre
[12:31] <black_Nightmare> hey there again
[12:31] <l3wwy> dmfe*
[12:31] <CarlK> kroot - do you remove the safty from your guns? ;)
[12:31] <Burgundavia> dockane: upstream means whomever created the software
[12:31] <grogoreo> hi
[12:31] <Jimbob> kroot: "sudo command-to-run" will leave a log
[12:31] <Burgundavia> dockane: in this case it is a GNOME issue
[12:32] <kroot> i dont have guns
[12:32] <tritium> marska, either edit your /etc/apt/sources.list, or use synaptic.  It should simply require uncommenting a couple lines.
[12:32] <MrG|nix> right got to go to my kip hard late shift at work night night
[12:32] <Burgundavia> dockane: the are switching over to a new type of menu system and applications, which was broken anyway, wasn't ported
[12:32] <Jimbob> kroot: And if you're running SSH or (god forbid) telnet, there's no worry of people dictionary-attacking a known username.
[12:32] <QMario> What section do I add users in the smb.conf file?
[12:32] <CarlK> kroot - good thing ;)  (I dont either, but if I did, I would not remove the safety)
[12:32] <QMario> Mainly Windows users.
[12:33] <marska> Tritium - Is there any documentation on how I edit the sources list?
[12:33] <Burgundavia> QMario: you can allow anonymous login too if you wish
[12:33] <QMario> Also, how do I give them permission to view my printers?
[12:33] <grogoreo> does anyone know how to watch an encryted DVD on linux? I have XINE and when I tried to play a DVD (My Wrongs #8245-8249 & 117) Xine says something about libdvdnav: Unable to find map file '/home/grogoreo/.dvdnav/MY_WRONGS.map'. I have Totem, but that doesnt seem to be working as it says 'Resource busy or not available'
[12:33] <tritium> marska, do you have a favorite editor?
[12:33] <kroot> why would i use ssh ot telnet ?
[12:33] <dockane> Burgundavia, so there is no easy way to add an icon to "applications" menue ?
[12:33] <l3wwy> My Davicom 10/100 Network Card is not working, it is on eth1.  It should be configuring itself using DHCP, but its not.  it appears in dmesg
[12:33] <Burgundavia> dockane: yes
[12:33] <l3wwy> anyone help?
[12:33] <l3wwy> brb
[12:33] <Burgundavia> dockane: what program is it?
[12:33] <QMario> How do I allow anonymous login?
[12:33] <dockane> Burgundavia, skype
[12:33] <Burgundavia> dockane: ahh
[12:33] <marska> Tritium - No. Not really. Just the default one in Ubuntu.
[12:33] <Burgundavia> QMario: man smb.conf
[12:33] <WeirdAl> w00t
[12:34] <QMario> Does Windows accept anonymous login?
[12:34] <WeirdAl> Damn Small Linux rawks
[12:34] <kbrooks> sype is a proprietary, closed-source application
[12:34] <Burgundavia> QMario: yes by default
[12:34] <marska> Damn Small is slackware, isn't it?
[12:34] <kroot> QMario: yes
[12:34] <dockane> kbrooks, you are right
[12:34] <ren0> No worries, WeirdAl . Is that working?
[12:34] <WeirdAl> What's slackware?
[12:34] <kroot> damn small is debian
[12:34] <CarlK> kbrooks - got any voip recomendations?
[12:34] <Kikyo1> Anyone here know how to get network protocols to work in WineX/Cedega? When I try to play multiplayer on Baldur's Gate it can't find the IPX, TCP/IP or something like that.. please help. :)
[12:34] <kbrooks> skype*
[12:34] <QMario> It then says that I don't have enough permissions to access the server.
[12:34] <tritium> WeirdAl, one of the first linux distros
[12:34] <Jimbob> kroot: Well, if you've got SSH with ForwardX11 enabled on your system, you can run a remote session by "ssh -Y youruser@<yourcomputer>" and run graphical applications securely across the internet.
[12:34] <WeirdAl> Yeah. I got my /home directory copied over so I can wipe the disk.
[12:34] <Burgundavia> dockane: if you can edit a file called a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications
[12:34] <Jimbob> kroot: Like VNC that doesn't suck.
[12:34] <ragi> hola
[12:35] <tritium> marska, do you use synaptic to update & upgrade?
[12:35] <marska> Tritium - What is the command to open and access the sources.list file?
[12:35] <marska> Tritium - Yes.
[12:35] <kroot> why would i wanna do that ?
[12:35] <Burgundavia> marska: use synaptic
[12:35] <marska> Jigdo isn't in synaptic
[12:35] <tritium> marska, I'll walk you through it in synaptic
[12:35] <kroot> any ways a dont trust ssh
[12:35] <marska> Tri - Message me please
[12:35] <ragi> alguin puede ayudarme con una placa sound blaster live 24b?
[12:35] <Jimbob> kroot: Or, for example, my office is behind a network that doesn't allow IRC clients -- I can create an SSH tunnel to my box at home and run IRC over that.
[12:35] <Burgundavia> ragi: #ubuntu-es
[12:36] <pagefault> oops heh
[12:36] <mikeygeek> hello, anyone experienced with ubuntu on ppc ???
[12:36] <pagefault> is it just me or has the apt repositories been getting slower and slower by the day
[12:36] <Burgundavia> pagefault: more people using them
[12:36] <Burgundavia> pagefault: as it gets more popular
[12:36] <tritium> marska, can you open synaptic and go to Settings->Repositories?
[12:36] <pagefault> Burgundavia, I figured as much, but are there plans to bring in more mirrors any time soon?
[12:36] <kroot> Jimbob: so you are cheating on you company ?
[12:36] <Jimbob> kroot: hahahahahaha
[12:36] <Jimbob> kroot: No
[12:37] <Jimbob> kroot: If anything I'm being cheated *by* my company.
[12:37] <marska> Tritium - I'm there now.
[12:37] <kroot> of course not . were did i get that idiea !
[12:37] <Burgundavia> pagefault: I would assume they are going to scale to demand
[12:37] <Jimbob> kroot: I'm actually in my apartment now (today's my day off)
[12:37] <asylumn> Hi all, has anyone been able to get gmail-notify working with hoary?  I seem to have some dependency issues I can resolve.
[12:37] <tritium> marska, look for universe
[12:37] <dockane> Burgundavia, the file is called '.desktop' ?
[12:38] <Jimbob> kroot: But my office is behind a university network -- which blocks IRC to/from the dormatory networks as well
[12:38] <kroot> why do they block irc ?
[12:38] <marska> Tri - Done. Downloading new package lists. Thank you.
[12:38] <Burgundavia> dockane: applicationname.desktop
[12:38] <tritium> marska, you're welcome :)
[12:38] <Burgundavia> dockane: thus gaim is gaim.desktop
[12:38] <marska> Tri - What is the command to open a text file through the root terminal?
[12:38] <[nrx] > marska, nano /path/to/file
[12:38] <Jimbob> kroot: Because most networks (e.g EFNet) are populated by script kiddies and crackers, and they don't want to deal with the headache of machines on their network being hacked.
[12:39] <marska> Oh yes.. Nano.. Thank you Nrx
[12:39] <kroot> an you hack into the grils dormitory ?
[12:39] <evan_> why might i not be able to download a kernel-image?  i keep getting an error: Depends: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386  but it is not installable
[12:39] <[nrx] > np
[12:39] <Jimbob> erm, "most RC networks"
[12:39] <marska> Tri - Erm... Happen to have any helpful links to how I may mount a Fat32 partition?
[12:39] <kroot> yes this one is full of hackers
[12:39] <tritium> marska, www.ubuntuguide.org is a good one
[12:39] <marska> Alright.. Thank you.
[12:39] <WeirdAl> Aah
[12:40] <WeirdAl> GAIM won't use ALSA
[12:40] <Burgundavia> kroot: depends on how you use the term
[12:40] <asylumn> marska, http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[12:40] <marska> Thanks for the help Tri. Its appreciated.
[12:40] <marska> All of you are great!
[12:40] <tritium> marska, of course :)
[12:40] <Jimbob> kroot: Don't ask me to explain my university's policy regarding IRC -- I didn't set it, and I think it's idiotic.
[12:40] <dockane> Burgundavia, is there a dummy of such file with commentary ?
[12:40] <kbrooks> Jimbob, what is it, pm if you like
[12:40] <kroot> what about msn ?
[12:40] <WeirdAl> someone who knows everything: Is there a console command to use Alsa?
[12:40] <WeirdAl> e.g. alsa <file>
[12:40] <Burgundavia> dockane: just open any of the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications
[12:41] <Burgundavia> dockane: it is just a straight text file, so pretty self explanatory
[12:41] <kroot> you can even do irc thru web pages !
[12:41] <kbrooks> Gaim NOT GAIM
[12:41] <WeirdAl> k
[12:41] <WeirdAl> But ... sound? :-)
[12:42] <Burgundavia> kroot: where I used to work also blocked irc, but that was only because they had a 'we only allow port 80' policy
[12:42] <kbrooks> AIM ... GAIM
[12:42] <tritium> WeirdAl, aplay is alsa's player
[12:42] <Jimbob> kroot: Yes, but when someone does a /whois on a user connected through a web page or an SSH tunnel, they come up with a computer outside the university
[12:42] <monteiro> anyone has any firewall for ubuntu ?
[12:42] <kbrooks> see the difference
[12:42] <Jimbob> kroot: So the university doesn't care.
[12:42] <rinnan> hello, kubuntu noobee here.  Question for whoever deems me fit enough to answer:  I booted the KDE Live CD and liked it so much I installed it, overwriting RedHat.  It's fine, but in the life CD, it uses Kubuntu icons, themes, colors, etc.  But in mine, it uses only exactly standard KDE!  What did I do wrong?  How can I fix it?
[12:42] <WeirdAl> ta
[12:42] <WeirdAl> Now I need someone to talk to me _
[12:42] <WeirdAl> Not gonna happen
[12:42] <Jimbob> kbrooks, kroot: MSN, AIM, etc. are all OK -- though I'm pretty sure they redirect all napster/gnutella traffic to log queries.
[12:43] <Burgundavia> rinnan: #kubuntu
[12:43] <tritium> WeirdAl, talk to you?
[12:43] <WeirdAl> eep! Loud. Still, it worked.
[12:43] <tritium> Hi!
[12:43] <black_Nightmare> any of you mind telling me what Skype is? :">
[12:43] <WeirdAl> Yeah, so I know if the sounds are workin. But they are.
[12:43] <kain> black_Nightmare, a voip software
[12:43] <CarlK> black_Nightmare - voice over IP
[12:43] <Burgundavia> black_Nightmare: properitary voip protocol
[12:43] <kain> black_Nightmare, to listen and speak with others
[12:43] <rinnan> Burgundavia:  Thanks, switching over...
[12:43] <WeirdAl> OK, night all
[12:43] <Burgundavia> rinnan: np
[12:43] <dockane> cool, i've choosen a user orientated distribution and findmyself editing config files to create shortcuts for the application menue
[12:43] <tritium> WeirdAl, did you want to test gaim?
[12:43] <WeirdAl> yeah but it's OK, someone signed off.
[12:43] <WeirdAl> Scared the life out of me :-)
[12:44] <tritium> heh
[12:44] <black_Nightmare> oh ic....so there's no use for skype unless I already know of someone with it installed as well...right?
[12:44] <tritium> WeirdAl, /msg me if you want to
[12:44] <CarlK> black_Nightmare - somehow it interconnects with the phone system so you can use your PC/net connection to make phone calls
[12:44] <Burgundavia> dockane: this is being solved for the next release
[12:44] <WeirdAl> Right, thanks for all the help everyone. See you tomorrow for more:-)
[12:44] <Burgundavia> dockane: really, all applications should include a .desktop file
[12:44] <kroot> theres no beating skype+text2speak
[12:44] <black_Nightmare> carlk and if I don't have a modem -- it'll still work? heh stupid question lol
[12:44] <Kikyo1> black_Nightmare: And you can do a quick search and then call people in India or any other country. ;)
[12:44] <Burgundavia> dockane: as it is now  standard that both KDE and GNOME have signed on to
[12:44] <black_Nightmare> india???? not that far douf
[12:44] <Kikyo1> North Korean people are scarce on Skype though (I wonder why....)
[12:44] <black_Nightmare> maybe just around north america :p
[12:45] <Kikyo1> It's free if you do PC to PC calls, so it's fun with India :P
[12:45] <black_Nightmare> hmm..maybe I do know one person I could talk to in australia
[12:45] <black_Nightmare> guess I'll look into apt-get it then perhaps
[12:45] <black_Nightmare> oh duh..nevermind
[12:46] <black_Nightmare> looks like have to manually download/tar it
[12:46] <robodex> restarting x, brb
[12:46] <black_Nightmare> dunno if I want bother :|
[12:47] <Kikyo1> Anyone else here that had a problem with Cedega/WineX for local multiplay? Such as skirmish, also TCP/IP and IPX protocols?
[12:47] <Kikyo1> *Needs help :)*
[12:47] <ren0> Must crash. Old age catching up with me. TTFN.
[12:47] <ironwolf> is there a way to tell apt-get to treat suggested as dependancies like you can in Synaptic?
[12:48] <kroot> irc geves me the creeps
[12:48] <asdfasdfasdf> can anyone use the torrent to d/l array cd 7?  i get "Rejected by tracker - Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker."
[12:48] <ironwolf> KiKyo1: sorry, haven't tried winex yet.
[12:48] <kroot> irc gives me the creeps
[12:48] <tritium> ironwolf, aptitude can
[12:48] <Burgundavia> asdfasdfasdf: that is odd
[12:48] <Ratmann> Hello all
[12:48] <Kikyo1> Ironwolf: Oh, okay, thanks though! :
[12:48] <kroot> lol
[12:48] <ironwolf> tritium: was looking specifically for apt-get if possible.
[12:48] <Burgundavia> asdfasdfasdf: what are you getting array cd 7 and not preview?
[12:49] <evan_> would someone help me get the appropriate kernel-headers installed?
[12:49] <asdfasdfasdf> Burgundavia, i though cd7 was newer, so wanted to get it.
[12:49] <tritium> ironwolf, dunno.  try man apt_preferences.  It's possible
[12:49] <Burgundavia> asdfasdfasdf: preview is newest I think
[12:49] <ironwolf> evan_: what kernel are you running?
[12:49] <Xira>  I acn't make any calls under skype
[12:49] <Xira> It has to do with my sound
[12:49] <evan_> 2.6.10-5-386
[12:49] <Xira> I dunno how to fix it
[12:49] <Burgundavia> asdfasdfasdf: RC candidate is tomorrow
[12:49] <asdfasdfasdf> Burgundavia: not based on dates.  but i can just wait until rc tomorrow (assuming the torrent doesn't give the samething)(
[12:49] <Xira> + I acn only run it as root, it runs 100x slower as a regular user
[12:49] <randy_345> alsa sucks on that kernel
[12:50] <Ratmann> Hey can you guys help me with a question?
[12:50] <Ratmann> :)
[12:50] <Burgundavia> Ratmann: sure
[12:50] <Ratmann> Wanna know before starting downloading
[12:50] <Ratmann> http://www.softimage.com/products/xsi/v42/SysReqs/Linux.htm
[12:50] <evan_> when i execute sudo apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` i get two errors: 1.) E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) 2.) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[12:50] <Ratmann> I wanna know if XSI, will run in Ubuntu
[12:51] <ikama> does anybody has the same problem with dependecies in updating openoffice and kubuntu-desktop packages
[12:51] <Ratmann> That's the requierments, since i don't know much about Linux yet, i'm wondering if it will
[12:51] <ironwolf> tritium: does aptitude have a command line mode?
[12:51] <randy_345> are you using synaptic @ the time?
[12:51] <black_Nightmare> any of you know what that umm.. linux epia mini-itx site was again?
[12:51] <tritium> ironwolf, yes
[12:51] <Burgundavia> Ratmann: the only thing I see there is it uses Xfree86 and hoary uses xorg
[12:51] <Burgundavia> Ratmann: it may work, but it may not
[12:51] <Kikyo1> Good bye everyone, take care
[12:51] <ironwolf> evan_: perhaps you are running the update-manager or synaptic.
[12:52] <Lithi> Can you upgrade from Ubuntu 32bit to 64 with apt-get?
[12:52] <Ratmann> Ah
[12:52] <black_Nightmare> lothi..I think you meant the kernel.....as for the answer..I dunno ask someone
[12:52] <evan_> just closed synaptic, now i get this error: E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[12:52] <randy_345> Lithi: bad idea, all the packages are different for 64 bit...
[12:53] <black_Nightmare> randy..hmm I thought 64bit amd was even 16bit backward compactible?
[12:53] <black_Nightmare> or am I wrong :p
[12:53] <Burgundavia> Ratmann: I don't see any major gotcha-yas, but be aware it doesn't seem to be supported on debian platforms (like ubuntu)
[12:53] <ironwolf> tritum: where do I find the option to do that in aptitude *new to aptitude*
[12:53] <Ratmann> OH
[12:54] <ironwolf> evan_: apt-cache search headers | sort | grep 2.6.10 ; should get you the package name
[12:54] <randy_345> right... amd64 will run 32bit ubuntu
[12:54] <Lithi> randy_345: apt-get cant change all the packages?
[12:55] <cmf> is it just me, or is it not possible to set a capture channel in alsamixer on hoary?
[12:55] <Ratmann> That's the main software i use
[12:55] <tritium> ironwolf, Options->Dependency Handling
[12:55] <randy_345> Lithi: it would be better to make a partition for everything you want to keep...
[12:55] <Ratmann> That's why i wanna see if i can get it up and running on linux, make the switch :)
[12:55] <Xira> How do I save my alsamixer settings?
[12:55] <randy_345> Lithi: put everything there
[12:56] <zapada> hey
[12:56] <grogoreo> I have an error when I try to run a DVD, http://rafb.net/paste/results/u38h3T29.html
[12:56] <randy_345> Lithi: and reinstall... b/c 64bit hoary uses a different EVERYTHING
[12:56] <tritium> Xira, sudo alsactl store
[12:56] <marska> Tritrium - Hey.. Just installed Jidgo.. But now.. Err.. How do I access it?
[12:56] <randy_345> Lithi: a lot of people make a partition for their "/home" directory
[12:57] <ironwolf> tritium: huh?...oh.. I need command line options, or in /etc/apt/apt.conf
[12:57] <randy_345> Lithi: so when their system gets corrupted and/or needs a reinstall...
[12:57] <tritium> marska, try nick tab-completion ;)  What do you mean, now?
[12:57] <randy_345> Lithi: their "/home" directories will never be affected
[12:57] <marska> Tritium - Err.. Nick Tab-Completion?
[12:57] <tritium> ironwolf, it has command-line options.  But first, open it up and configure it.
[12:58] <tritium> marska, start typing my nick, then hit tab.  It'll spell it right for you ;)
[12:58] <Lithi> randy_345: yea I get it, thats a good idea for next install... I think ill wait on the 64bit for a little while
[12:58] <marska> Trit?
[12:59] <marska> Trial?
[12:59] <marska> What?
[12:59] <randy_345> Lithi: i'm running 64 bit 5.04 hoary right now...
[12:59] <catrlr> anyone here ever use QEMU??
[12:59] <tritium> marska, type "tri" and then hit tab.  It should auto-complete my nick for you
[12:59] <tritium> catrlr, yes
[12:59] <marska> tritium - And whats the point of that?
[12:59] <zapada> When I try to install the linuxant drivers for my modem I get this error: http://img47.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img47&image=ok5eu.png
[01:00] <zapada> Someone already told me that I should install the GCC and kernel header files... but they are already installed
[01:00] <marska> Tritium - I'm just not sure where Jidgo went to and I err.. Would like to access it.
[01:00] <randy_345> Lithi: that's a good idea... there are still some bugs that need to be worked out... hopefully they will be fixed by April 6
[01:00] <tritium> marska, I get a nick highlight, and I hear a sound when my nick is typed.  that way I won't miss your messages if I'm in another channel
[01:00] <marska> Tritium - Oh.. Alright.. How do I find and access Jidgo then?
[01:00] <Lithi> randy_345: What mobo do you have? Cause 4.10 doesent seem to like my DFI nf4 mobo
[01:00] <FR500> hello
[01:00] <catrlr> tritium well i keep getting this error 'Kernel Panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel.
[01:01] <catrlr> '
[01:01] <tritium> marska, it should be in your path.  dpkg -L jigdo will tell you where the files in the package are located
[01:01] <catrlr> wtf does this mean
[01:01] <catrlr> and how do i fix it
[01:01] <catrlr> ?
[01:01] <randy_345> Lithi: I have the (notorious) Asus ASN-SLI w/ that new nforce4 chipset
[01:01] <tritium> catrlr, what image are you running qemu with?
[01:01] <randy_345> Lithi: ohhhhh you have nforce4 also...
[01:01] <FR500> i have 2 pcs with hoary, one has nice icons for openoffice the other doesnt, may be different releases, has preview had any changes, all i downloaded is preview
[01:01] <catrlr> i have tried a few... Mandrake, SuSE, and Darwin
[01:01] <tritium> FR500, yes, daily updates
[01:01] <catrlr> currently
[01:02] <punjab12> another quake in indonesia :(
[01:02] <randy_345> Lithi: the latest kernel patches are supposed to solve all the problems w/that
[01:02] <catrlr> all do the same thing
[01:02] <ironwolf> got it, thanks tritium: :)
[01:02] <punjab12> 5.3 on richter
[01:02] <FR500> tritium, any way to update the icons
[01:02] <tritium> ironwolf, cool
[01:02] <FR500> tritium, now my laptop looks dated
[01:02] <zapada> can anyone helpme?
[01:02] <punjab12> ubuntu rc1 due out tomorrow right?
[01:02] <Burgundavia> punjab12: yes
[01:02] <tritium> FR500, have you not updated since installing the preview?
[01:02] <Burgundavia> zapada: what is the issue?
[01:02] <punjab12> awesome :)
[01:02] <FR500> maybe not
[01:02] <randy_345> Lithi: i'm using the quick fix tricks to get it to work right now in hoary...
[01:02] <catrlr> tritium i get the boot screens but they dnt boot all the way, they jst give me that error message
[01:03] <tritium> FR500, update and upgrade, and then sometimes icons in the menu don't show up until after logout and login
[01:03] <zapada> Burgundavia: http://img47.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img47&image=ok5eu.png
[01:03] <syn1> where can i find a the VLC icon?
[01:03] <Lithi> randy_345: I see... Ill have to download hoary when its fully out
[01:03] <zapada> I get that when I try to install my drivers
[01:03] <tritium> catrlr, are you calling qemu correctly?
[01:03] <FR500> thanks
[01:03] <catrlr> yea i believe so
[01:03] <zapada> Burgundavia: someone already told me to get gcc and the kernel headers installed, but they already were
[01:03] <randy_345> Lithi: read my post (rdw200169) @ linuxquestions.com if you want to try 64 bit right away... http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&postid=1561140#post1561140
[01:04] <zapada> Burgundavia: I also tried this while using the live cd... maybe that makes a diff?
[01:04] <Burgundavia> zapada: it is looking for the kernel source, which is not there
[01:04] <zapada> Burgundavia: is that because im running the live cd?
[01:04] <synd> where can i find the VLC icon??
[01:04] <Burgundavia> zapada: you would have to download that as well
[01:04] <randy_345> Lithi: what video card are you running?
[01:05] <catrlr> tritium: /usr/local/bin/qemu -hda /Users/Phate/themes/mandrake-10.0-x86.img -boot c -m 128
[01:05] <Burgundavia> zapada: what are you trying to install?
[01:05] <catrlr> Phate being my ~
[01:05] <zapada> Burgundavia: linuxant drivers for my 56k connexant modem
[01:05] <Burgundavia> zapada: ah
[01:05] <Quest-Master> Does anybody have a solution to getting program startups faster?
[01:05] <tritium> catrlr, is that a mandrake CD image?
[01:05] <Burgundavia> zapada: try with the installer
[01:05] <Lithi> randy_345: 6600GT
[01:05] <verden01> Hi
[01:05] <Quest-Master> It takes almost twice as long for an application to load versus one in Windows XP
[01:06] <Quest-Master> :\
[01:06] <Lithi> randy_345: gigabyte one
[01:06] <zapada> Burgundavia: try what with what installer?
[01:06] <Quest-Master> Plus, the main GNOME menu takes exactly 10 seconds to load
[01:06] <Quest-Master> :(
[01:06] <randy_345> Lithi: you're in luck... Hoary comes w/ nvidia drivers that work w/that video card
[01:06] <catrlr> tritium yea
[01:06] <catrlr> .img
[01:06] <catrlr> mandrake-10.0-x86.img
[01:06] <tritium> catrlr, if it's a CD image, don't specify it as the hard drive image, and use -boot d
[01:07] <verden01> i installed Kubuntu yesterday on an AMDx86-64 box and it rocks
[01:07] <Lithi> randy_345: Sweet
[01:07] <catrlr> oh no... it's an HD image
[01:07] <tritium> catrlr, use -cdrom <imagefile> -boot d
[01:07] <catrlr> it isn't in the CD drive
[01:07] <catrlr> it's a preconfigured image from
[01:07] <tritium> catrlr, it doens't have to be in the CD drive
[01:08] <catrlr> oh...
[01:08] <tritium> You can use a CD .iso image
[01:08] <Lithi> randy_345: Have you tryed the new dx9 wine cvs?
[01:08] <catrlr> ok...
[01:08] <catrlr> hld on
[01:08] <l3wwy> can anyone here help me with a Davicom 10/100 ethernet adapter?  It's supposed to be using DHCP to get IP's, however it doesnt pick it up, and dhclient fails.  Also, lspci shows its there.  I had a realtek 10mb card in yesterday, and that worked.  Any suggestiosn?
[01:08] <Quest-Master> ;(
[01:08] <Burgundavia> zapada: I have never used the linuxant drivers
[01:08] <jldugger> what's it take to get lm_sensors working?
[01:08] <randy_345> Lithi: no, i generally run cedega
[01:08] <verden01> does anyone know when the final release of kubuntu will be?
[01:08] <catrlr> so what is the full command
[01:08] <Burgundavia> verden01: april 8th, same day as ubuntu
[01:08] <goldfish> verden01: ask in #kubuntu :)
[01:08] <goldfish> nm
[01:08] <goldfish> sorry. lag
[01:08] <tritium> catrlr, well, is it supposed to be an HD image or not?
[01:09] <catrlr> it's suppose to be
[01:09] <Burgundavia> zapada: you need build-essential and the linux kernel source for a minimum
[01:09] <verden01> cool so its not worth doing an update and upgrade till then?
[01:09] <FR500> firefox says profile is in use everytime i try to start
[01:09] <l3wwy> it probably is
[01:09] <Lithi> randy_345: It fully supports hl2 (among others) ive been told. Better then cedega.
[01:09] <jldugger> ive got an x64-666664 box running ubuntu, but the lm-sensors package says im missing some modules during the install
[01:09] <sub_work> any known issues with fam in hoary right now?
[01:09] <catrlr> i got the image from here tritium http://www.freeoszoo.org/download.php
[01:09] <wyatt> not compatible with directdraw need help
[01:09] <dazed> FR500: that means that u have an abnormal amount of firefox's open
[01:09] <tritium> catrlr, then I don't know what's wrong.  Let me check that
[01:09] <verden01> ok :-)
[01:10] <jroesdes1> anyone ever left their computer in locked mode and then came back to a really garbly screen?
[01:10] <FR500> dazed, 0 firefoxs open
[01:10] <zapada> Burgundavia: can I use the symantic thing to get it from CD?
[01:10] <nekrataal> hi
[01:10] <l3wwy> wait, who just said it supports hl2 better than cedega?
[01:10] <l3wwy> who said that?
[01:10] <Burgundavia> zapada: yes, but everything you do will be gone when the power is gone
[01:10] <wyatt> not compatible with directdraw need help
[01:10] <catrlr> and the docs to QEMU tell me to launch this way
[01:10] <l3wwy> and more importantly
[01:10] <l3wwy> what is
[01:10] <jroesdesk> and... specifically what supports hl2 better than cedega?
[01:10] <jroesdesk> yeah
[01:10] <jroesdesk> haha
[01:10] <dazed> FR500: hmm...its usually when you have a few open it confuses itself and thinks that there are different users trying to access the same thing
[01:10] <nekrataal> anyone knows how to get skype working with esd on hoary???
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> jroesdesk: windows
[01:10] <randy_345> Lithi: interesting... i've never even heard of it!.. do you have the website available?
[01:10] <jroesdesk> lol :)
[01:10] <FR500> dazed, weird
[01:11] <catrlr> /usr/local/bin/qemu -hda /Users/Phate/themes/mandrake-10.0-x86.img -boot c -m 128
[01:11] <Lithi> randy_345: http://games.slashdot.org/games/05/03/28/1843246.shtml?tid=203&tid=106
[01:12] <niran> is anyone successfully using an ipod shuffle under ubuntu?
[01:12] <Lithi> randy_345: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=749 (as linked in the article)
[01:12] <niran> or know why a usb drive wouldn't completely unmount when told to?
[01:12] <tritium> catrlr, that's strange.
[01:12] <tritium> catrlr, I've only used qemu with CD images, and it has always worked.
[01:12] <FR500> where can i find the "default" sources.list?
[01:12] <Xira> Wow
[01:12] <Xira> Kubuntu-Desktop is cool
[01:13] <Xira> first KDE dist that I like
[01:13] <Lithi> l3wwy: The new wine with dx9 support
[01:13] <evan_> i'm trying to install wusb11 net adapter drivers found here: http://at76c503a.berlios.de/ .. when i try to make the file i get the error: mkdir: cannot create directory `.tmp_versions': Permission denied/make: *** [modules]  Error 1 - any ideas?
[01:13] <jldugger> FR500, well, its usually in /etc/apt , but you should try to learn about file finding programs too ;) gnome has one that does okay
[01:14] <goldfish> locate is useful
[01:14] <l3wwy> guys seriously can anyone PLEASE help with my davicom 10/100 network card?
[01:14] <jldugger> lithi: i have extreme doubts about dx support and games
[01:14] <jldugger> l3wwy, what about it?
[01:14] <punjab12> Was fr ein Haufen Scheie
[01:14] <l3wwy> can anyone here help me with a Davicom 10/100 ethernet adapter?  It's supposed to be using DHCP to get IP's, however it doesnt pick it up, and dhclient fails.  Also, lspci shows its there.  I had a realtek 10mb card in yesterday, and that worked.  Any suggestiosn?
[01:14] <FR500> jldugger, i mean, the one that comes by default
[01:14] <FR500> jldugger, clean
[01:15] <Lithi> jldugger: Read the article... http://games.slashdot.org/games/05/03/28/1843246.shtml?tid=203&tid=106
[01:15] <thotypous> hi
[01:15] <jldugger> lithi, i read the goddamn article
[01:15] <l3wwy> jldugger: did u see my problem?
[01:15] <jldugger> it says pixel shaders aren't worrrking
[01:15] <jldugger> l3wwy: what's lsmod say?
[01:16] <l3wwy> lots
[01:16] <l3wwy> lol
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> linuxgamers.net is the coolest site even
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> ever
[01:16] <mebaran151> My Epson printer just keeps feeding
[01:16] <mebaran151> it is an r800
[01:16] <mebaran151> I thought I was supposed to use Gimp print
[01:16] <jldugger> man, vnc isn't a great solution
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> no it's not
[01:16] <tritium> HrdwrBoB, maybe if you play games ;)
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> vnc sucks quite a lot
[01:16] <mdke> does anyone know how to use poEdit?
[01:17] <HrdwrBoB> tritium: no, not even then ;)
[01:17] <HrdwrBoB> tritium: look at the dates of the articles
[01:17] <mebaran151> but although it feeds it wont print
[01:17] <tritium> HrdwrBoB, ah, I see
[01:18] <thotypous> when hoary will be "stable"? april?
[01:18] <juan> hi guyz. will you update mono package to 1.0.6 or 1.14 ?
[01:18] <Xira> Preview is pretty stable
[01:18] <Xira> imo
[01:18] <nictuku> how can I list what packages from the universe I have installed?
[01:18] <jroesdesk> rpm -qa
[01:18] <jroesdesk> well
[01:18] <HrdwrBoB> er
[01:18] <HrdwrBoB> no
[01:18] <jroesdesk> wehre am I
[01:18] <thotypous> but when the six month cycle will be complete?
[01:18] <jroesdesk> lol
[01:18] <jroesdesk> :)
[01:19] <HrdwrBoB> dpkg --list will list all packages
[01:19] <nekrataal> hey anyone else have troubles with firefox 1.0.2?
[01:19] <FR500> nekrataal, what troubles?
[01:19] <nekrataal> it crash to me when i try to save a file...
[01:19] <nekrataal> on hoary
[01:19] <FR500> hmmm
[01:19] <nekrataal> i just updated it..
[01:19] <FR500> nope
[01:19] <FR500> not here
[01:21] <nictuku> dpkg --list would list all files, but I'd like to know which of them are in universe.
[01:21] <synd> you could load up synaptic
[01:21] <synd> nictuku
[01:22] <Zugot> hello
[01:22] <swanriversean> I have an old computer that only will boot from floppy ... is it possible to boot from floppy and then use the ubuntu installation CD to complete the install?
[01:23] <HrdwrBoB> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallWithFloppiesHowto
[01:23] <swanriversean> thanks
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> swanriversean: altough
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SmartBootManagerHowto
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> ^ do that instead
[01:24] <asylumn> Logging out causes a hard-lock, any tips on where to look to start troubleshooting this?  I can reboot, ctrl-alt-backspace works, but system->logout is bad.  any ideas?
[01:24] <CarlK> I like SBM
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> that will boot from the CD even if the bios cabn't
[01:24] <synd> swanriversean: the first one that HrdwrBoB mentioned requires a network connection
[01:24] <black_Nightmare> well a computer that doesn't have cdrom boot option sounds like a socket7 or older to me
[01:25] <black_Nightmare> ...or am I wrong?
[01:25] <synd> maybe its just not set up to boot from CD?
[01:25] <nictuku> synd, if I had X :)
[01:25] <synd> nictuku: :P
[01:25] <mebaran151> black_Nightmare, I have a borked Gigabyte bios
[01:25] <mebaran151> on AMD64
[01:25] <black_Nightmare> oh ic....okie
[01:25] <mebaran151> that sometimes hangs if you try to boot a less than perfect homemade image
[01:26] <mebaran151> I use SBM all the time
[01:26] <|QuaD-> mebaran151: don't you have 2 bios's on a gigabte mb?
[01:27] <goldfish> hey guys
[01:27] <goldfish> i've just finished an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:27] <goldfish> should i now rebot?
[01:27] <goldfish> should i now rebot?8reboot
[01:27] <goldfish> gaah
[01:28] <mebaran151> |QuaD-, yeah
[01:28] <mebaran151> but both of them are crappy
[01:28] <mebaran151> it is mostly bad error handling
[01:28] <mebaran151> when one sector might not read
[01:28] <synd> goldfish: did you load all the repos. before you updated/upgraded?
[01:28] <goldfish> emm
[01:28] <goldfish> change sources.list ?
[01:29] <synd> goldfish: yes
[01:29] <goldfish> yep
[01:29] <synd> goldfish: as noted here: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[01:29] <synd> ?
[01:29] <CarlK> anyone know how to use SBM with PXE netboot stuff?
[01:29] <black_Nightmare> any of you know about qemu?  (I know some of you mentioned it before)
[01:29] <synd> goldfish: if so, a reboot wouldn't be a bad idea
[01:30] <swanriversean> HrdwrBob I found the smart boot thing too ...
[01:30] <goldfish> yep, ok cool
[01:30] <swanriversean> synd, yes I am going to use the second option
[01:30] <synd> swanriversean: good deal.
[01:31] <james_> would anyone here help me with setting up a ro NTFS drive in fstab?
[01:31] <swanriversean> thanks everyone - I just updated my main computer to hoary today - no problem Ubuntu is great!
[01:32] <black_Nightmare> hm guess not..oh well I tried
[01:32] <james_> would anyone here help me with setting up a ro NTFS drive in fstab?
[01:32] <randy_345> james_: i gotcha
[01:32] <james_> ooo
[01:32] <synd> gosh i feel bad.. since discovering ubuntu (and resurrecting a few old PCs and PC laptops) I've neglected my ibook g4 for 4 days now
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> funny how that works
[01:33] <randy_345> type: nfts options: ro,gid=(username),uid=(username),umask=666
[01:33] <synd> HrdwrBoB: so true. i made the switch from Wintel to Apple about a year ago.. now it almost feels like im switching again!
[01:33] <james_> ok
[01:34] <eruin> osX bores me a bit
[01:34] <dazed> grrrrrrrr
[01:34] <KingArthur-TDoD> wooo.....finally got ubuntu on my other laptop.  Question is, how can I reconfigure it to use both my wifi connection when available and my ethernet?
[01:34] <eruin> but I aint putting ubuntu on my powerbook :)
[01:34] <dazed> how do i share a file via NSF in warty!?
[01:35] <jldugger> indeed, why does ath0 not activate on startup?
[01:35] <synd> eru: oh man, i know! it's lovely and so much less heartache with OSX because everything "just works" but theres that feeling you get when something on Linux just aint working right.. and after you fix it.. its just so satisfying
[01:35] <eruin> synd: that's what I'm talking about
[01:35] <eruin> ;)
[01:35] <madduck> how can i get DRI to work on an ATI Radeon Mobility... it's old, and it worked with the xf86 mach64 driver. what do i have to do now with x.org?
[01:35] <jldugger> ive got plenty of problems to solve without linux ;)
[01:36] <eruin> I don't like "everything just works"
[01:36] <eruin> I want to fiddle
[01:36] <madduck> eruin: install debian unstable then. :)
[01:36] <jldugger> id rather much prefer it worked sensibly to beging with
[01:36] <synd> madduck: lol.
[01:36] <eruin> madduck: ubuntu is just about my level of "just works" ;)
[01:36] <black_Nightmare> any of you know how to tell between a pci or nubus based powerbook?  sorry for asking but.....that I never even could figure out :p
[01:36] <black_Nightmare> seeing how laptops don't even have pci slots
[01:36] <bwlang> anybody tried pymusique on ubuntu... i can't seem to find a package for a depenency (mcrypt
[01:37] <KingArthur-TDoD> anyone have any idea how to reconfigure my ubuntu to use a ethernet connection instead of WiFi?
[01:37] <eruin> what's pymusique
[01:37] <eruin> ?
[01:37] <Burgundavia> eruin:  a program to purchase songs off itunes
[01:37] <eruin> oh that one
[01:37] <synd> but i just resurrected an old P3 600Mhz laptop 128MB 10GB with a DVD drive.. and its running ubuntu really well
[01:37] <goldfish> paing for music? :)
[01:37] <goldfish> *paying
[01:37] <eruin> I prefer buying actual cd's ;)
[01:37] <synd> eruin: so you can buy them without the DRM encoded on the end of the song
[01:37] <Burgundavia> paing is an interesting verb
[01:38] <bwlang> KingArthur-TDoD: system administration, networking ... or do ifdown wlan0 ifup eth0
[01:38] <goldfish> lol
[01:38] <Burgundavia> that must be the act of feeling pain with using gnome?
[01:38] <CarlK> can someone help me either fix or work around the problem I posted at the end of https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7985
[01:38] <bwlang> synd: no - so you can buy them at all... on linux.
[01:38] <goldfish> possibly
[01:38] <Burgundavia> so kpain would be kde pain?
[01:38] <KingArthur-TDoD> it says starting networking, then doesn't open anything.  the taskbar item justleaves.....
[01:38] <LeeJunFan> KingArthur-TDoD: man interfaces
[01:38] <KBJ> does anyone know how to create a mono file in a certain (bad) quality with gst-launch?
[01:39] <skreet> Special Device /dev/scd0 does not exist...
[01:39] <bwlang> eruin: i prefer just a few tracks most of the time and would rather not buy the rest
[01:39] <goldfish> kpaing
[01:39] <synd> bwlang: that too, but the problem is that it's not encoded with the DRM
[01:39] <synd> bwlang: thats why apple is jumping thru hoops to get it shut down
[01:39] <eruin> bwlang: and I go crazy if I miss one song off an album ;-)
[01:39] <skreet> Anyone know why my CDROM drive is missing? :
[01:39] <skreet> :/
[01:40] <synd> gosh i hope Apple releases an iTunes for Linux
[01:40] <bwlang> synd: i don't care about the drm... it's not a problem for me.  I was just wondering about packaging... sounds like nobody knows about a packaging effort...
[01:40] <CarlK> skreet - I needed it... Ill give it back in a few min ;)
[01:40] <eruin> synd: considering linux is about to become their main competitor...
[01:40] <skreet> CarlK, Whew! I thought something was wrong with my OS :P
[01:40] <synd> bwlang: there wont be one
[01:40] <bwlang> synd: well ... they didn't but pymusique is an itunes client that runs under linux
[01:40] <eruin> as sooon as we get a more likeable graphics editor!
[01:40] <bwlang> synd: there will be if i make one...
[01:40] <KingArthur-TDoD> any reason why when I open up system preferences such as users or network, it won't work?
[01:40] <cusco> oh.. I would say apple is far away from linux
[01:41] <skreet> cusco, Not really, there are tons of people who run PPC Linux on Macs
[01:41] <synd> bwlang: as far as i know, pymusique is shut down
[01:41] <cusco> I say this caus I have a G5 at home
[01:41] <Burgundavia> like Linus?
[01:41] <cusco> skreet: I know that
[01:41] <bwlang> synd: hmm i just downloaded it.
[01:41] <skreet> :D
[01:41] <cusco> but the simplicity of macos
[01:41] <bwlang> bbl
[01:41] <cusco> is and has always been wonderfull
[01:41] <synd> cusco: here here!
[01:41] <skreet> What program/kernel module creates /dev/* now?
[01:42] <skreet> I know it keeps changing! :
[01:42] <skreet> :/
[01:42] <eruin> I get that dumbed-down feeling when moving from my linux desktop to my osx laptop
[01:42] <LeeJunFan> skreet: udev
[01:42] <skreet> LeeJunFan, Where can I find configs/etc on that or some sort of output..
[01:42] <skreet> I need to know why it isnt making a /dev for my cdrom :(
[01:42] <synd> when 10.4 Tiger gets released..
[01:42] <synd> ahh im quite excited
[01:42] <cusco> hehehe
[01:42] <LeeJunFan> man udev and /usr/share/doc/udev[version] 
[01:43] <skreet> Why you still have the powerful CLI and a beautiful desktop :D
[01:43] <CarlK> skreet - what does dmesg say about your CD?
[01:43] <cusco> I don't use it often tho, but I iused to use an isnow
[01:43] <synd> cusco: have you seen the Virgina Tech supercomputer that they built with some 1001 dual proc G5's?
[01:43] <LeeJunFan> skreet: well - just /usr/share/doc/udev I guess.
[01:43] <skreet> CarlK, Nothing that I could see -- let me check again it was like 1 AM
[01:43] <cusco> synd: no
[01:43] <LeeJunFan> skreet: the following manpages are available udev       udevd      udevinfo   udevsend   udevstart  udevtest
[01:43] <eruin> "Tiger Server goes beyond the limitations of traditional UNIX file permissions to give you greater flexibility over assigning access" ;>
[01:44] <synd> cusco: http://www.apple.com/hardware/video/virginiatech/
[01:44] <cusco> hehe I see that everybody supports apple
[01:44] <synd> i have 2 mac minis, an ibook g4 and an imac g5 :x
[01:44] <cusco> :x
[01:45] <synd> i had to have something for those old PC monitors that i couldnt get rid of..
[01:45] <cusco> I had a imac, first generation, then a isnow now the g5 (which is not mine)
[01:45] <juan> cusco cool i love macs
[01:45] <juan> :P
[01:45] <skreet> wierd thing is..
[01:45] <eruin> wtf does 1100 G5s really cost!?
[01:46] <skreet> In my old 386 kernel my cdrom drive *MOVED* to /dev/sr0
[01:46] <cusco> synd: I don't have a quick time plugin
[01:46] <cusco> lolo
[01:46] <cusco> hold
[01:46] <synd> eru: a whole hell of a lot less than the two super computers ahead of it
[01:46] <synd> eruin*
[01:46] <eruin> synd: and it's prettier! :P
[01:46] <codyman> hello
[01:46] <codyman> i keep getting a "cpu overload" for arts
[01:46] <eruin> g5cluster "the feminine supercomputer"
[01:46] <synd> theyre building another one with the xserve g5s as we speak
[01:47] <synd> hahah.
[01:47] <eruin> the indian in the video even has a ponytail :P
[01:47] <synd> cusco: http://www.apple.com/education/science/profiles/vatech/
[01:48] <synd> eruin: haha.
[01:49] <delire> is there an ubuntu ppc channel?
[01:49] <dockane> is there any other way to test recording with mic than 'audio-recoder' ?
[01:50] <delire> dockane: apt-get install audacity
[01:50] <skreet> theres no mention of a cdrom in my dmesg!!!!!
[01:50] <skreet> GAH
[01:50] <skreet> how come my other kernel works
[01:50] <dockane> delire, thnx
[01:50] <synd> i wonder what you can do with blue gene
[01:50] <CarlK> skreet - that's kookie
[01:50] <skreet> CarlK, Agreed
[01:50] <skreet> I'm going to try the next kernel up
[01:50] <CarlK> skreet - ide, scsi or old mystry CD?
[01:51] <skreet> ide, dvd+-rw
[01:51] <delire> dockane: also checkout http://ardour.org
[01:51] <geneo93> skreet:  is that x86
[01:51] <skreet> works "fine" in stock kernel..
[01:51] <skreet> yes.
[01:51] <cusco> System X
[01:51] <skreet> it *WAS* working as /dev/scd0 in conjuntion with /dev/scd1 which has been removed.
[01:51] <CarlK> skreet - long shot - lshw
[01:51] <geneo93> is pnp turned off in bios
[01:51] <skreet> lshw?
[01:51] <CarlK> hard ware
[01:51] <dockane> delire, i ve got basic recording problems with an integrated mic in a thinkpad
[01:52] <CarlK> but I am sure it just reads what the kernel has setup
[01:52] <synd> cusco: http://www.tcf.vt.edu/systemX.html
[01:52] <dockane> delire, audio recorder for somehow freezes
[01:52] <delire> dockane: right, hmm.. any errors?
[01:53] <synic> hey, what's the fix to get the X cursor to stop showing when you login to X?
[01:53] <dockane> delire, not yet
[01:53] <skreet> CarlK, You in #flood?
[01:53] <delire> dockane: try 'rec -c 2 out.wav'
[01:53] <synd> synic: i need to know as well !
[01:53] <CarlK> skreet - just a sec
[01:53] <dockane> delire, audacity give me one flat line
[01:53] <Marble2> can someone PLEASE help me? I've had this error for the past couple days and I can't fix it: /sbin/init: 428: cannot open dev/console: No such file
[01:54] <delire> dockane: a command line recording tool. also try turning off the enlightened sound daemon, 'ESD'.
[01:54] <Marble2> I get it at startup
[01:54] <Marble2> is there a way to rollback my kernel and see if that fixes it?
[01:54] <synic> synd: I'll let you know if I find it
[01:54] <delire> dockane: and try looking at 'alsamixer' a great console mixer. make sure that input gain (IGain) is up along with 'PCM'
[01:54] <synd> synic: thanks.
[01:55] <delire> Marble2: that's on boot right? have you recompiled your kernel recently?
[01:55] <Xatter> hello
[01:55] <Marble2> delire, yes it is and no I have not
[01:55] <goldfish> hi
[01:55] <delire> Marble2: is this with Ubuntu booting after install?
[01:55] <Xatter> for some reason, when I try to install on my old laptop it woun't get input from the keyboard... but the initial boot screen accepts commands
[01:55] <Marble2> not after install... just booting
[01:55] <Marble2> it was working fine
[01:55] <Xatter> any ideas?
[01:56] <Marble2> and I go to boot, get that
[01:56] <delire> Marble2: have you ever had a successful boot with Ubuntu?
[01:56] <Marble2> yes
[01:56] <Marble2> tons of them
[01:56] <skreet> Xatter, Check the boot options (f2 i think) thers a whole bunch for wierd laptops (i had to use the video one myself)
[01:56] <Xatter> alright, lemme check
[01:56] <Marble2> I don't belive I made any major system changes, this just happened. I did install a new HD and formatted it in windows, but I don't see how that would cause that type of error
[01:57] <synic> synd: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16336&highlight=HWCursor
[01:57] <Marble2> but dev/console... shouldn't it be /dev/console ? how do I fix that?
[01:57] <delire> Marble2: type
[01:57] <neighborlee> is anyone else seeing gnome in hoary being pretty unstable with latest update ?....I fresh booted machine only to find after a few minutes that gnome-panel was unresponsive and I had to hard reboot ...anyone ???
[01:57] <Marble2> type?
[01:57] <delire> Marble2: become root and type 'fdisk -l
[01:57] <delire> Marble2: sorry
[01:57] <delire> Marble2: fdisk -l
[01:57] <stoffel> irc://irc.eu.GameSurge.net/SoKUHA
[01:57] <Marble2> root@Knoppix:/ # fdisk -l
[01:57] <Marble2> cannot open /proc/partitions
[01:57] <Marble2> I'm booted to a knoppix livecd chrooted in
[01:57] <juan> Knoppix ?
[01:57] <Marble2> ^^
[01:57] <juan> g to #knoppix
[01:57] <dockane> delire, apt-get install alsamixergui ?
[01:58] <juan> g to #knoppix
[01:58] <Marble2> well it's and Ubuntu problem I'm trying to fix...
[01:58] <delire> Marble2: right, well what's happened is that the new disk you've put on has changed the partition order
[01:58] <helio7> is anyone else having trouble with Hoary ISO bittorrents? I've been seeding all of the Hoary ISOs with Azureus for a while and they stopped working.  I tried completely removing one and restarting it, but I'm getting "Error: (requested download is not authorized)" in the Tracker Status Column.
[01:58] <Marble2> ah
[01:58] <delire> Marble2: the partition can
[01:58] <Marble2> I did have to switch the disks around to different IDE cables
[01:58] <kbrooks> >>> http://img62.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img62&image=DSC00126.jpg <<< ;)
[01:58] <Marble2> any idea how to fix it?
[01:58] <alvaro> hey guys i need help with audacity, whenever i try to export to an .mp3 file it says that it can't locate libmp3lame.so.... and i try to locate it and can't find it. I went to root also and says it's already installed : \
[01:58] <delire> Marble2: sorry, the partition can't be found
[01:59] <delire> dockane: sure, or just alsamixer
[01:59] <Marble2> delire, huh?
[01:59] <helio7> is it possible the Ubuntu torrent tracker is down for some reason?
[01:59] <juan> kbrooks xp? cool =)
[01:59] <kbrooks> lol
[01:59] <delire> Marble2: type 'mount'
[02:00] <delire> Marble2: can you see your linux partition there?
[02:00] <Le0> hi ya ppl!
[02:00] <juan> ooop
[02:00] <Marble2> /dev/hdd4 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[02:00] <Marble2> that looks like it, I only have one ext3 partition :)
[02:01] <alvaro> hey guys i need help with audacity, whenever i try to export to an .mp3 file it says that it can't locate libmp3lame.so.... and i try to locate it and can't find it. I went to root also and says it's already installed : \
[02:01] <delire> Marble2: yep that's it. ok now 'less /etc/fstab' (the file system table)
[02:01] <Marble2>  paste the output?
[02:01] <blueyed> Only tried the Live CD yet - is there a hint/gui to pppoeconf during installation if you're just using a DSL modem? (had to google for that)
[02:01] <delire> alvaro: Marble2: no, can you see the partition in there?
[02:01] <Marble2> yea
[02:01] <Marble2> /dev/hdd4       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[02:02] <KingArthur-TDoD> grrrrrrrrrr........this is getting frusterating.  only a few system configuration tools works.  in the taskbar, it says "starting *whatever*", then it didn't do anything!  bah!
[02:02] <delire> alvaro: it's not in Ubuntu, you'll need to instal it
[02:02] <helio7> let me try it this way: Is anyone successfully seeding or downloading any ubuntu torrents atm?
[02:02] <Marble2> delire, I think I found it. My linux partition is actually hdC4
[02:02] <Marble2> not hdd4 as it is reporting
[02:03] <delire> Marble2: hehe that's it. can you use vim?
[02:03] <alvaro> how do i install it?
[02:03] <Marble2> because when I go to broswe files here, it shows my linux install in hdc4
[02:03] <corza> has someone got Samba here??
[02:03] <Marble2> delire, not really, how about nano?
[02:03] <leitao> please, how can i get the src package? is it possible?
[02:03] <Marble2> I haven't bothered to learn vi/vim yet
[02:03] <leitao> with apt-get
[02:03] <delire> Marble2: sure that's fine. you'll need to also edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:03] <Marble2> I don't use grub
[02:03] <delire> Marble2: that last file is the most important.
[02:03] <Marble2> it doesn't work with my chipset, I'm using lilo
[02:03] <delire> Marble2: lilo?
[02:04] <Marble2> yes
[02:04] <corza> does anyone use samba
[02:04] <delire> Marble2: ok /etc/lilo.conf
[02:04] <Marble2> I'm there
[02:04] <delire> Marble2: you're problem should go away
[02:04] <Marble2> what do I edit?
[02:04] <delire> Marble2: oh, but you'll need to run 'lilo' afterward, that could be a problem
[02:04] <Marble2> It's worked before running lilo
[02:04] <Marble2> chrooted
[02:05] <delire> Marble2: right.. either that or give lilo the boot parms 'boot <kernelname> root = /dev/hdc4'
[02:05] <skreet> When doing lshw i get "        *-ide:0 UNCLAIMED" -- Anyone have a clue how i can fix this (it's not seeing my cdrom and i belive this is why :P)
[02:06] <Marble2> delire, can I pm you please
[02:06] <delire> Marble2: so when you first boot, you can tell lilo which kernel and parition to use.
[02:06] <delire> Marble2: it's late here, i have to go soon.
[02:06] <delire> Marble2: you can email me.. i'll msg
[02:06] <Marble2> ok hold on, lets see real quick
[02:06] <Marble2> image=/vmlinuz
[02:06] <Marble2>         label=Linux
[02:06] <Marble2>         read-only
[02:06] <Marble2> #       restricted
[02:06] <Marble2> #       alias=1
[02:06] <Marble2>         initrd=/initrd.img
[02:07] <Marble2> that's my main linux part in lilo, how do I modify it?
[02:07] <helio7> Where would be the best place to report that the Torrents for Hoary are broken i.e. the tracker is down?  That wouldn't be a bug right?
[02:08] <delire> Marble2: jump into #debian, don't tell them you're using Ubuntu (they're a bit silly and hardcore at times). just tell them you can't boot and you need to know about editing lilo +/or using boot paramters to boot into the partition
[02:08] <Xatter> no love on the keyboard options
[02:08] <Marble2> ok thanks
[02:09] <delire> Marble2: i have to work soon ;) mail me if you get stuck.
[02:11] <corza> guys i need help with samba i have stuffed my conf file
[02:12] <Reformed> Just upgraded to hoary, however my screen resolution can't go any higher than 1024x768 when my LCD panel supports a native resolution of 1280x1024.  The system -> pref -> screen resolution doesn't list it.
[02:12] <Reformed> And I can't seem to locate "1024" via the gconf-editor...  so any ideas?
[02:12] <hayden> Reformed: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:13] <SeanQ> Hi.
[02:13] <SeanQ> I just upgraded my processor/motherboard to an AMD Sempron 2400+
[02:14] <randy_345> Reformed: you have to add the resolution in that file
[02:14] <SeanQ> I got kernel panic when I booted Hoary.
[02:14] <SeanQ> It couldn't open init and couldn't find /dev/console.
[02:14] <SeanQ> I can still access some ubuntu via a Gentoo LiveCD.
[02:14] <SeanQ> What do you suggest?
[02:14] <^thehatsrule^> is it 64-bit? O.o
[02:15] <helio7> -/whereis webadmin email?  need to report torrent tracker breakage!
[02:15] <SeanQ> ^thehatsrule^: I made sure nto.
[02:15] <SeanQ> not.
[02:15] <SeanQ> I think it's K7. But it could be i686.
[02:15] <hayden> same thing isnt it
[02:16] <helio7> http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/ torrent tracker is not doing its job I'm fairly sure; I've verified the problem with other folks, but can't figure out where to report it to the Ubuntu administration; any ideas?
[02:16] <^thehatsrule^> ubuntu livecd no work?
[02:17] <SeanQ> ^thehatsrule^: I'm out of CD-R's; this is the best I can do.
[02:17] <shadeofblue> is Ubuntu fully GPL free software?
[02:17] <juan> shadeofblue yes.
[02:18] <Xatter> =(
[02:18] <Reformed> randy_345: Thanks!  Kind of assumed they were using XFree86-4 configuration file for compatibility until everyone moved to hoary.
[02:18] <shadeofblue> then why isn't that advertised more...and how come they call it Linux and not GNU/Linux?
[02:18] <randy_345> Reformed: no problem
[02:19] <Burgundavia> shadeofblue: it is Ubuntu to avoid the whole debate
[02:19] <mhz> juan: usas hoary?
[02:20] <eyequeue> gnubuntu
[02:20] <juan> mhz yep :P
[02:20] <eph> im confused... is Hoary: KDE, but no GNOME?
[02:20] <Quest-Master> It's Gnome
[02:20] <SeanQ> eph: Hoary UBUNTU comes with GNOME
[02:20] <juan> mhz por que? :P
[02:20] <Quest-Master> But there's a KDE version of it
[02:20] <SeanQ> eph: Hoary KUbuntu comes with KDE
[02:20] <hayden> hoary is the latest version of ubuntu
[02:20] <randy_345> the kubuntu package adds KDE
[02:20] <SeanQ> It's a special version.
[02:20] <thotypous> gnome rlz
[02:21] <thotypous> KDE sux
[02:21] <eph> im looking for the most up-to-date GNOME-Ubuntu.. for Ath64
[02:21] <eph> where should i look?
[02:21] <mhz> porque fui de warty a hoary via APT pero sigo usando XFree en vez de X.org
[02:21] <hayden> releases.ubuntulinux.com ?
[02:21] <juan> lamentably exits kde for ubuntu =)
[02:21] <eyequeue> eph:  warty is the cirrent stable, hoary is the current development version
[02:21] <shadeofblue> okay..its just that i wanted to make sure all the software was GPL'd but that seems hard to verify from the website
[02:21] <juan> mhz apt-get install xserver-xorg
[02:22] <eph> Hoary is stable soon though? 2 weeks? i heard there was some release in april
[02:22] <mhz> juan: :)
[02:22] <juan> una vez lo hice en hoary, pero fue para cambiarme a xfree86 :P
[02:22] <eyequeue> 6 april
[02:22] <mhz> juan: y eso sacara a XFree?
[02:22] <juan> sip
[02:22] <eyequeue> and a ton of changes before then
[02:22] <juan> :P
[02:22] <eyequeue> somehting like 116 just today
[02:22] <dazed> 116 today?
[02:22] <dazed> damnit
[02:22] <dazed> i updated last night
[02:23] <eph> should i bother getting a new ISO? ive already got Warty AMD64
[02:23] <eyequeue> yeah, the thing definitely isn't stable
[02:23] <mhz> juan: gracias
[02:23] <dazed> it keeps gettin cooler every update though
[02:23] <resiak> There is absolutely no way that Ubuntu is 100% GPL free software.
[02:23] <juan> mhz oka :)
[02:23] <eyequeue> eph:  it's up to you if you prefer stable or development
[02:23] <gangalino> I'm having problems burning a bootable CD w/ K3b...
[02:23] <dazed> or u can be like me have one box stable and one box dev
[02:24] <eph> is the team planning to expand the WMs? will we see XFCE in Ubuntu?
[02:24] <resiak> shadeofblue: Not all the software is GPL'd. You won't find _any_ distro that has that. It may well all be Free, though.
[02:24] <mjr> eph, it's available via universe
[02:24] <skreet> Anyone here playing World of Warcraft *well* using P2P?
[02:24] <resiak> eph: I think you rather miss the point of Ubuntu.
[02:24] <hayden> eph: if u install it yourself
[02:24] <mhz> juan: chileno?
[02:24] <eph> universe isnt stable though.. i could screw my install up
[02:25] <eph> just adding xfce
[02:25] <shadeofblue> Resiak: there is one distro fully GPL'd - stallman refered to it...lemme find the name
[02:25] <resiak> eph: And this is why you use Debian Sarge :-)
[02:25] <juan> mhz sipues mano ;)
[02:25] <eph> debian?! debian is archaic
[02:25] <hayden> juan: #ubuntu-es
[02:25] <resiak> shadeofblue: Sure, a distro with no X or sshd. Sounds like a barrel of laughs to me.
[02:25] <juan> a lo mejicanote, jaja, sip, chileno :)
[02:25] <mhz> juan: jajaja
[02:25] <eph> i tried a debian net inst once, was a nightmare
[02:25] <resiak> eph: You do realise that the current Debian installer _is_ the Ubuntu installer, don't you?
[02:26] <zapada> tvelocity:
[02:26] <zapada> http://www.phpriot.com/419
[02:26] <shadeofblue> Resiak: well heh yeah i couldn't get it to run on my laptop so i dont know :P
[02:26] <eph> no i didnt realise that
[02:26] <mjr> shadeofblue, if it's the spanish one, it includes proprietary drivers too...
[02:26] <dazed>   eph: u realize ubuntu is based off debian packaging
[02:26] <shadeofblue> MJR:yeah the spanish on
[02:26] <eph> dazed i know that
[02:26] <eyequeue> bah, too much fighting
[02:26] <dazed> if u dont like debian i dont think ubuntu is for you lol
[02:27] <SeanQ> bbl, reinstalling ubuntu
[02:27] <eph> but the hardware detection in ubuntu is as good as mandrake... meanwhile debian seemed miles off
[02:27] <HrdwrBoB> zapada: what filesystem is /dev/hda5
[02:27] <shadeofblue> MJR:but it must have been goodenough for stallman to mention it
[02:27] <zapada> HrdwrBoB: Fat32
[02:27] <resiak> eph: I had _no_ problems that any other distro didn't share.
[02:27] <HrdwrBoB> zapada: that is the problem
[02:27] <zapada> why?
[02:27] <HrdwrBoB> because you cannot create symlinks on fat32
[02:27] <HrdwrBoB> dont' use fat32 for anything except basic storage
[02:27] <shadeofblue> Ututo is its name
[02:27] <eph> resiak.. Ubuntu is the only distro that works by default with my soundcard
[02:28] <eph> which makes me happy
[02:28] <resiak> eph: What's your sound card?
[02:28] <eph> terratec aureon sky 5.1
[02:28] <juan> hayden I'm gonna go there now :D
[02:28] <shadeofblue> and i think its Argentinian
[02:28] <hayden> yeo
[02:28] <hayden> yep*
[02:28] <juan> mhz si, se ponen desos estos wns xD
[02:28] <juan> densos* :)
[02:29] <hayden> juan: can u ask mhz a question and put 2 ? at the front and end
[02:29] <hayden> lol
[02:29] <juan> hayden cool
[02:30] <dazed> hayden u know theres an ascii charecter code fro the upsidedown question mark
[02:30] <jsgotangco> hello
[02:30] <resiak> eph: Fair enough. My experience with Ubuntu has been that it is more hassle for no gain.
[02:30] <resiak> dazed: There's no ASCII one.
[02:30] <juan> I think he don't :)
[02:30] <juan> I think he doesn't <-
[02:30] <hayden> ya
[02:30] <resiak> dazed: There's an ISO-whatsit code, and a Unicode one. Both are wider than 7 bits, which is all ASCII defines.
[02:30] <dazed> resiak: ahh ok
[02:31] <hayden> pointing to urself?
[02:31] <dazed> that Big Fish movie is lame
[02:31] <StR34k> hey, would anyone happen to know how to edit the keybindings in gnome?
[02:31] <dazed> lol
[02:31] <tritium> eph, resiak's experience is not a common one, however
[02:32] <dazed> lol
[02:32] <tritium> StR34k, there's a capplet for that under Preferences
[02:32] <StR34k> I have a logitech keyboard, and there are more keys that I want to bind than prefs->kbd shrtcuts has.
[02:32] <dockane> mic is still dead
[02:32] <shadeofblue> freebsd must be the most freest then
[02:32] <dockane> any idea how to activate mic ?
[02:32] <resiak> shadeofblue: That depends how you define "free".
[02:33] <StR34k> I figure it's configurable.
[02:33] <shadeofblue> well stallman's way
[02:33] <Burgundavia> shadeofblue: bsd is more free if you consider user rights
[02:33] <JDahl> for some odd reason my "New Message" window in Evolution@Hoary is much much too big to fit inside X. I tried deleting .evolution, but the problem didnt go away. Where would change the default size? I am guessing gconf, but I dont know anything about gconf
[02:33] <Burgundavia> shadeofblue: gpl is more free if you consider codes stays free
[02:33] <dazed> is there a way to bind volume keys for volume?
[02:33] <dazed> is that under the key binding capplet?
[02:34] <StR34k> dazed, yah
[02:34] <FLeiXiuS> dazed: Yep
[02:34] <StR34k> dazed, In prefs->keyboard shortcuts.
[02:34] <shadeofblue> yes that is the only difference....that GPL requires impovements are GPL'd too...BSD doesnt...but in terms of the freest distro around today, then it must be FreeBsd
[02:34] <eph> does anyone bother trying to get 3d accel from their ATI card in Ubuntu?
[02:34] <Burgundavia> shadeofblue: free is a very loaded word
[02:34] <mhz> any ideas why I have these 2 non-sense problems??? a) I try to burn via Nautilus and: "Please replace the disc in the drive with a rewritable or blank disc, with at least 480 MiB free."
[02:34] <skreet> eph: Works fine.
[02:35] <Burgundavia> eph: yes, I have got it working
[02:35] <resiak> That's really a massive overgeneralisation of the differences between the GPL and the BSD licenses, but I'll let it slide.
[02:35] <dazed> i got it StR34k lol i forgot about that i was looking in keyboard and everywhere else except the binding section
[02:35] <dazed> rofl
[02:35] <mjr> bsd might maximize developer freedom, yes, but there are other things
[02:35] <skreet> eph,  And by fine I mean I cant close the lid of my laptop and open it again unless I change ATI to VESA
[02:35] <mjr> *shrug*
[02:35] <hayden> skreet: thats happens to me to
[02:35] <dazed> oh now thats cool when i hit the volume button it has a lil thing that pops up
[02:35] <mhz> b) XMMS get's stuck when I try to listen to Audio or Mp3's
[02:35] <skreet> hayden, Known issues, I usually switch back to vesa when i'm not gaming.
[02:36] <eph> hmm do u get decent performance from the ATI card?
[02:36] <StR34k> dazed, kewl, I want to findout how to link my 'my docs' button to bring up my docs like it does with the homedir.
[02:36] <Echylo> mha, change the soundserver to esound
[02:36] <tritium> mhz, is it configured to use the right output?
[02:36] <eph> ive got a 9800pro.. but fear it wont get anything from it
[02:36] <skreet> eph, Sure, I play ut2004 and 1400x1050 all the time
[02:36] <skreet> runs great.
[02:36] <dazed> yeah im going to look into that my self
[02:36] <mhz> tritium: which problem a) or B) ?
[02:36] <tritium> mhz, A
[02:36] <Echylo> mhz, b
[02:36] <Echylo> loool
[02:36] <skreet> I sold my 9800 pro for a 6800 gt the week before they released new ATI drivers
[02:36] <skreet> :P
[02:36] <mhz> :)
[02:36] <tritium> mhz, B, rather ;)
[02:36] <Echylo> my solution was to b
[02:37] <tritium> I don't even see your A
[02:37] <Echylo> :)
[02:37] <eph> hmm skreet, could a noob get the 9800pro going in ubuntu?
[02:37] <Echylo> why do you say an A then :P
[02:37] <mhz> tritium: let me double check
[02:37] <tritium> Echylo, I corrected myself
[02:37] <Echylo> a) I try to burn via Nautilus and: "Please replace the disc in the drive with a rewritable or blank disc, with at least 480 MiB free."
[02:37] <shadeofblue> there might be other considerations, but i thought i would aim to have an ethically 'pure' laptop and see if i can survive
[02:37] <Echylo> b) XMMS get's stuck when I try to listen to Audio or Mp3's
[02:37] <Echylo> that's his a
[02:37] <Echylo> and his b :)
[02:37] <skreet> eph, Follow the Wiki guide. I ran into an issue where nothing I installed would play, and I cant remember the solution for the life of me
[02:37] <Echylo> b) change the soundserver to esound(preferences)
[02:37] <hayden> does fglrx work with ati igp ?
[02:38] <shadeofblue> and as the display went blank after 5secs with Ututo, i guess i shall try freebsd
[02:38] <mhz> tritium: OSS
[02:38] <Echylo> change it to esound!
[02:38] <tritium> shadeofblue, you're not going to find out the problem?
[02:38] <skreet> eph http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:39] <syn1> is there an easy command to automatically upgrade from warty to hoary?
[02:39] <Echylo> syn1, http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:39] <tritium> syn1, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[02:39] <Echylo> or write script for it
[02:39] <Echylo> but that's one thing you probably have to do every 6 months
[02:40] <Echylo> so it's not worth it
[02:40] <shadeofblue> tritium:well, i used the 2.4 kernel instead of the 2.6 and the display worked, but then the installer hung
[02:40] <Dr_Acemaster> is there a gaim 1.2 packaged?
[02:40] <LeeJunFan_away> how long is ubuntu going to support older versions? Thinking of server use.
[02:41] <z993126> Is there a gui system monitor that displays the information of i.e. per-disk IO live?
[02:41] <Echylo> lee, I thought 18 months
[02:41] <tritium> LeeColleton, for 18 months
[02:41] <Echylo> dunno for sure
[02:41] <goldfish> hey guys
[02:41] <syn1> Echylo, tritium: thanks
[02:41] <tritium> np
[02:41] <goldfish> i just upgraded to hoary and x wont start
[02:41] <Echylo> same :) np
[02:41] <goldfish> im a n00b, so any hints on what to do
[02:41] <goldfish> ...
[02:41] <goldfish> ?
[02:41] <Echylo> goldfish try booting another kernel?
[02:41] <skreet> goldfish, What kind of video card?
[02:41] <tritium> goldfish, nvidia?
[02:42] <goldfish> yep
[02:42] <skreet> Ick, warty is XFree and hoary is X.org
[02:42] <goldfish> i had the same problem with warty
[02:42] <skreet> Thats gotta mix something up
[02:42] <goldfish> but got it fixed
[02:42] <Echylo> how did you solve it in warty?
[02:42] <skreet> What did you do
[02:42] <tritium> goldfish, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for the cause of the error
[02:42] <randy_345> goldfish: when xserver dumps you back to login
[02:42] <randy_345> goldfish: type: apt-get install nvidia-glx
[02:43] <tritium> he should have that already if he's already got nvidia working before
[02:43] <Echylo> btw since when are you a noob goldfish? :P
[02:43] <goldfish> since i started using linux :)
[02:43] <syn1> tritium, Echylo: should I upgrade to hoary on a P3 600Mhz 128MB 10GB laptop?
[02:43] <goldfish> yeah
[02:43] <helio7> has anyone gotten gaim sounds working when say xmms is running?
[02:43] <tritium> syn1, yes
[02:43] <goldfish> i got those drivers when i was in warty
[02:43] <geneo93> tritium:  i found out what is wrong with kppp
[02:43] <Echylo> syn1, I'm using hoary on a P2 433mhz 192 ram 80gig
[02:43] <tritium> geneo93, good job, dude :)
[02:44] <syn1> Echylo: oh.. well then : )
[02:44] <randy_345> goldfish: did you try nvidia-glx-config script
[02:44] <Echylo> ;)
[02:44] <geneo93> well i dont store scret passwd anywhere
[02:44] <elshadii> I hope I'm not inutrupting something but I have aquired an old 533mhz computer, my problem is it will not boot into the cdrom and if it does it won't reat the cdrom correctly any ideas on how to get around booting from a cdrom to install linux would be appriciated.
[02:44] <goldfish> randy_345: nope
[02:44] <skreet> Ah wtf, im on disc 3 of World of Warcraft and it's not copying files anymore :((
[02:44] <JDahl> if I want to wipe all evolution information from gconf, what is the clean way to do it?
[02:44] <tritium> goldfish, not even when you did it for Warty?
[02:44] <syn1> here goes nothin'!
[02:44] <z993126> is there a way to monitor the data transfer rate to/from a particular hard drive?  (in this case I want to see if an external drive is using usb2 speeds or only usb)
[02:44] <goldfish> tritium: dont think so
[02:44] <randy_345> goldfish: i had the same problem... after i install nvidia-glx + run the script
[02:45] <goldfish> kk
[02:45] <tritium> goldfish, then you better make sure nvidia-glx is installed after all
[02:45] <randy_345> goldfish: everything works after i restart x
[02:45] <fissy> sudo hdparm -tT /dev/sda
[02:45] <corza> can someone help me out with samba?
[02:45] <eyequeue> elshadii:  no interruption, you are welcome to ask here (though i don't know the answer)
[02:45] <Echylo> elshadi, on the website www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki there is a howto to create a bootfloppy, maybe that helps you
[02:45] <fissy> z993126, ^^
[02:45] <randy_345> goldfish: the vesa x.org drivers don't like newer nvidia cards, hence, xserver won't start
[02:45] <shadeofblue> z993126: just copy a largish file over to the external HD and see how long it takes
[02:45] <z993126> ara...
[02:46] <elshadii> Echylo, thank you for that info. I should have checked there first.
[02:46] <helloyo> how do i change my splash screen?
[02:46] <Echylo> np
[02:46] <goldfish> "nvidia-glx is already at newest version"
[02:46] <z993126> well yeah but I'd like to know exact speeds
[02:46] <tritium> goldfish, good
[02:46] <Echylo> ask anything anytime in here
[02:46] <randy_345> did you try the script?
[02:46] <shadeofblue> z993126:USB1.1 is massively slower than USB2.0 so you should easly notice the difference
[02:46] <fissy> z993126,  sudo hdparm -tT /dev/sda
[02:46] <z993126> l
[02:46] <z993126> k even
[02:46] <fissy> but yeah, 40 times is quite easy to spot
[02:46] <mhz> Echylo: thx, XMMS is running loud and clear
[02:46] <goldfish> I have no Xorg.0.log in /var/log
[02:46] <goldfish> :/
[02:47] <goldfish> randy_345: nope sorry, what script
[02:47] <tritium> goldfish, can you cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep nvidia please?
[02:47] <goldfish> ?
[02:47] <helloyo> how do i change the default splash screen in gnome?
[02:47] <StR> hi there
[02:47] <randy_345> goldfish: try the script!
[02:47] <goldfish> tritium: yep
[02:47] <corza> can someone help me out with SAMBA?
[02:47] <goldfish> randy_345: which script is this? :)
[02:47] <randy_345> goldfish: #nividia-glx-config
[02:47] <randy_345> that's it
[02:47] <tritium> goldfish, if grep returns nothing, we'll do that ^^^
[02:47] <goldfish> kk
[02:47] <StR> I installed hoary, but I don't get the graphic loading like the live CD... what package to I need to install?
[02:47] <fissy> corza, ask your question and we'll see
[02:48] <geneo93> randy_345:  enable
[02:48] <goldfish> ok
[02:48] <randy_345> geneo93: right... it's been a couple days since i did that...
[02:48] <corza> fissy: i'm trying to network my printer using samba to windows
[02:48] <goldfish> there is no xorg.conf there :/
[02:48] <tritium> wow
[02:48] <corza> fissy: my windows computer can see the printer.. but it cannot 'connect' to it
[02:49] <tritium> goldfish, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:49] <goldfish> kk
[02:49] <randy_345> corza: there's a great howto for samba on the internet somewhere...
[02:49] <z993126> hmm actually i suspect it's not using usb2, how do i make it do so?
[02:49] <tritium> goldfish, forgot to tell you to use sudo
[02:49] <goldfish> :)
[02:49] <goldfish> i remembered!
[02:49] <randy_345> corza: can't remember where though...
[02:49] <corza> randy_345: ok.
[02:49] <tritium> goldfish, awesome :)
[02:49] <goldfish> ok, weird
[02:50] <goldfish> package is not installed
[02:50] <z993126> the samba howto on the ubuntu wiki was mostly all i needed (i did need to look at the official site to figure out how to add shares, and didn't even need to do all the stuff in the wiki)
[02:50] <tritium> goldfish, you didn't completely upgrade to Hoary then
[02:50] <goldfish> dammit
[02:50] <goldfish> what did i do wrong?
[02:50] <goldfish> I changed source.list
[02:50] <eyequeue> goldfish:  warty or hoary?
[02:50] <tritium> goldfish, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[02:50] <goldfish> kk
[02:51] <goldfish> emm
[02:51] <randy_345> goldfish: do a fresh install, it's saves a lot of headaches!
[02:51] <geneo93> tritium:  also there is no kppp.config generated by kppp
[02:51] <goldfish> i need a gui :)
[02:51] <eyequeue> goldfish:  not only tht, but you also have to update and dist-upgrade
[02:51] <corza> randy_345: u dont know how to use webmin-samba do ya?
[02:51] <goldfish> eyequeue: yeah i did that too
[02:51] <fissy> you're probably going about it in the hardest way corza, windows understands how to use cups, the linux printing system
[02:51] <goldfish> i'll go read that link
[02:51] <randy_345> corza: been way too long... i went through the pain of setting up a true samba 6 mos. ago
[02:52] <corza> fissy: why wont it connect?
[02:52] <randy_345> corza: and now i've forgotten everything
[02:52] <eyequeue> goldfish:  i'd also recommending commenting out any non-ubuntu repos
[02:52] <tritium> geneo93, oh, okay.
[02:53] <fissy> corza, you need to tell cups to listen to other computers on your network, i'll just find a link
[02:53] <corza> fissy: i already have
[02:53] <goldfish> eyequeue: ok, i'll do that
[02:53] <tritium> goldfish, good luck.  I'm going to be away for a about 1-2 hours
[02:53] <z993126> is there a config to tell ubuntu to use usb2 protocol or whatever is needed for an external drive, if it doesn't recognize if automatically?
[02:53] <syn1> is hoary really much better than warty?
[02:54] <QMario> How do I view the python 2.4 IDLE?
[02:54] <QMario> What file do I go to?
[02:54] <tritium> syn1, many improvements
[02:54] <eyequeue> syn1:  better?  less-stable at least
[02:54] <QMario> Does anyone know the program to go to?
[02:54] <nexus-> does samba start by default on ubuntu?
[02:54] <goldfish> tritium: thanks :)
[02:54] <QMario> Yes nexus-
[02:54] <corza> nexus-: yes
[02:54] <eyequeue> syn1:  i wouldn't pronounce "better" until after april 6
[02:54] <tritium> goldfish, you'll likely have many updates to download ;)  I'll look for you when I return to see how things went.
[02:54] <PacoBCN> eyequeue, much less
[02:54] <randy_345> z993126: do you have a motherboard w/nforce4?
[02:54] <goldfish> i already d/l like 450 mb of them
[02:55] <QMario> So where do I find the IDLE  for python 2.4?
[02:55] <z993126> nope
[02:55] <nexus-> ah it starts under the networking script
[02:55] <tritium> goldfish, out of how much?
[02:55] <goldfish> tritium: i think it got them all
[02:55] <GhostFreeman> whats the command to remove a directory
[02:55] <goldfish> it was going for 3 hours
[02:55] <z993126> rmdir
[02:55] <hayden> rmdir
[02:55] <eyequeue> rmdir
[02:55] <GhostFreeman> thanks
[02:55] <randy_345> z993126 wins the draw!
[02:55] <tritium> goldfish, oh...
[02:55] <z993126> \o/
[02:56] <GhostFreeman> and if I want to remove it with the files also?
[02:56] <syn1> gosh! 50 mins to update from warty to hoary?
[02:56] <eyequeue> GhostFreeman:  mn rm
[02:56] <eyequeue> GhostFreeman:  man rm
[02:56] <GhostFreeman> ok
[02:56] <geneo93> goldfish:  yesterday was 82 mb today 100nb
[02:56] <tritium> nano-bytes?  ;)
[02:56] <z993126> might be able to delete a directory tree w/files in nautilus if you're wanting that route...
[02:57] <randy_345> rmdir -R (recursive)
[02:57] <goldfish> rm -rf name
[02:57] <geneo93> tritium:  typo
[02:57] <goldfish> but its a dangerous command
[02:57] <goldfish> so im told
[02:57] <tritium> geneo93, just teasing you, buddy ;)
[02:57] <eyequeue> goldfish:  hence better to let them find it in the man page :)
[02:57] <billytwowilly> hey sudo rm -rf /
[02:57] <billytwowilly> heh
[02:57] <goldfish> eyequeue: hehe
[02:58] <GhostFreeman> thanks all
[02:58] <geneo93> hey i cant take much more
[02:58] <tritium> billytwowilly, don't joke - somebody might try it
[02:58] <billytwowilly> tritium: I did it once;)
[02:58] <tritium> really?  aww, that sucks
[02:58] <e_machinist> Hey, I just added a DVD-ROM to my system... but when I insert a disc it doesn't mount and it isn't listed in my Disks location.
[02:58] <e_machinist> Anyone know how to fix that?
[02:58] <z993126> Yep, this is definitely not going usb2 speeds.
[02:58] <billytwowilly> tritium: I didn't catch it for a minute or so, but I ctrl-c'd it and my mandrake install worked for another six months;)
[02:58] <SeeleyUSMC> Is there a good way to generate a random password in Ubuntu?  I want to change my password but I want to just create something random.
[02:58] <tritium> billytwowilly, you're lucky
[02:59] <tritium> okay, I'm out of here for a while...
[02:59] <billytwowilly> tritium: yah, I know;) it's just an amusing story;)
[02:59] <fissy> corza, sorry, my internet is terribly slow: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetworkPrintingFromWin2000/view?searchterm=printers
[02:59] <tritium> billytwowilly, see you later!
[02:59] <billytwowilly> tritium: cheers
[03:00] <corza> fissy: no prob had felt ur pain for 7 years.. up until about 2 weeks ago lol
[03:00] <eyequeue> SeeleyUSMC:  apt-cache show apg pwgen
[03:00] <e_machinist> I just added a DVDROM to my system... it isn't automounting when I put a disc in... and it isn't listed in my disks location.
[03:00] <e_machinist> The dvdrom can be selected by Totem though.
[03:00] <fissy> corza, I have broadband, but something has gone terribly wrong with it
[03:01] <corza> fissy: really? oh ok lol well my exchange just got enabled a few weeks ago so i've been happy ever since lol
[03:01] <shadeofblue> fissy:exceeded monthly bandwidth limit?
[03:01] <mjr> e_machinist, it probably needs to be added to /etc/fstab
[03:02] <mjr> e_machinist, like so: /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[03:02] <StR> every1: in kde I used quanta to code PHP... what should I use in GNOME?
[03:02] <mjr> (change hdc if required)
[03:02] <e_machinist> hmm... should have installed the dvdrom before I installed ubuntu.
[03:02] <e_machinist> haha.
[03:02] <resiak> StR: vim
[03:02] <GhostFreeman> so...is hoary nearing final?
[03:02] <resiak> StR: Alternatively, Gedit
[03:02] <randy_345> final on 6 april
[03:02] <goldfish> nano!
[03:02] <randy_345> guaranteed
[03:02] <z993126> oh...another question: how do I browse network files from file:open in an application instead of having to use Nautilus for accessing network files or manually typing smb://server/share/path/path/path?
[03:02] <StR> resiak, vim is bether that gedit
[03:02] <GhostFreeman> does it have GNOME 2.10
[03:02] <resiak> StR: Alternatively, cat > index.php
[03:02] <fissy> shadeofblue, I don't think so, I had to get a new router because the old ones filesystem died :s I think this new one doesn't like my brother's bittorrenting
[03:02] <StR> resiak, LOL
[03:03] <resiak> StR: Yes, I know it is, but I thought for a moment that you might be one of these "Eew vim si teh horribl0r lololl" people.
[03:03] <randy_345> yes!
[03:03] <resiak> GhostFreeman: Kinda the whole point of Ubuntu is that it releases in sync with Gnome.
[03:04] <StR> resiak, no, but quanta is faster to edit PHP than vim.... so, i'm looking for an option in gnome
[03:04] <randy_345> their releasing it a little later for debugging
[03:04] <StR> resiak, i use vim to write bash and perl, not for PHP
[03:04] <abrotman> anjuta/bluefish
[03:04] <abrotman> ack!
[03:05] <GhostFreeman> I like Anjuta
[03:05] <Phated> Ooo kinky.
[03:05] <DoYouUbuntu> i like lemons
[03:05] <GhostFreeman> its not as bloated or confusing as whatever KDE fails at doing
[03:05] <abrotman> everything?
[03:05] <GhostFreeman> winner
[03:05] <StR> another thing:  I installed hoary, but I don't get the graphic loading like the live CD... what package to I need to install?
[03:06] <z993126> I'm getting a new machine that I'll be using as a server so I'll put Ubuntu on that, but it probably doesn't need to access other computers on the network...but unless I can get ubuntu's networking working as user-friendly as WinXP, I'll switch back to XP for this machine.
[03:06] <fissy> is there a tool for measuring general packet loss in all network communications from a computer?
[03:06] <z993126> But transferring files from these external drives at non-usb2 speeds is...a bit of a pain.
[03:06] <DoYouUbuntu> My XP system is solid, but Linux intrigues me
[03:07] <abrotman> z993126: use samba
[03:07] <z993126> I am.
[03:07] <z993126> but I don't know how to browse samba shares from the filesystem in nautilus
[03:08] <z993126> I can only access them from 'network' in nautilus
[03:08] <resiak> z993126: Network -> Windows Network
[03:08] <Nemo_> Can anyone here point me in the direction of the source code for the linux kernel that is shipped with hoary hedgehog current? (5.04 i386) I can't find it on ubuntulinux.com or the mirrors.
[03:08] <resiak> z993126: Erm, that's how you're supposed to access them, unless you mount them with mount.smbfs. Read man mount.smbfs
[03:08] <z993126> yes but you can't access that from e.g. file:open in gedit
[03:08] <z993126> ahh
[03:08] <DoYouUbuntu> www.kernel.org
[03:09] <corza> fissy: i did that and it still doesnt work
[03:09] <James_k84> how do I get sshd to work in kubuntu?
[03:09] <Nemo_> No, I want the exact source that is compiled on the cd.
[03:09] <fissy> corza, what happens?
[03:09] <Nemo_> I cannot find it on ubuntulinux.com
[03:09] <HrdwrBoB> Nemo_: there is bouth a linux source package
[03:10] <James_k84> I have openssh package installed...
[03:10] <HrdwrBoB> and apt-get source linux-image etc
[03:10] <HrdwrBoB> linux-source-2.6.8.1-4-386 iirc
[03:10] <corza> fissy: as i said the windows computer can see that the printer is there.. the drivers are installed & everything is ready except the windows computer doesnt have 'access' to the printer
[03:10] <HrdwrBoB> linux-source-2.6.8.1-4 iirc
[03:10] <Nemo_> Where is the source package then?
[03:11] <Riddell> James_k84: sudo apt-get install ssh
[03:11] <fissy> don't suppsoe theres anywhere in the windows dialogs to put in a username and password?
[03:11] <fissy> there must be
[03:11] <fissy> corza ^
[03:11] <HrdwrBoB> fissy: ftp://user:password@host/dir
[03:11] <fissy> printing over ftp eh
[03:12] <Nemo_> ftp://username:password@example.org/directory/
[03:12] <z993126> um
[03:13] <dockane> what can i do to make my mic work ? everything looks o.k. but no input
[03:13] <z993126> what's the syntax for {service}
[03:13] <HrdwrBoB> Nemo_: if you are in ubuntu
[03:13] <HrdwrBoB> simply get that package.
[03:13] <fissy> why are you guys talking about ftp :s
[03:13] <z993126> it didn't like smb://server/share/blah
[03:13] <Nemo_> I am not, I need the source so that I can install a network driver
[03:13] <resiak> z993126: "It" being mount.smbfs? Why not READ THE MANPAGE?
[03:14] <z993126> that's what i'm looking at.
[03:14] <Nemo_> And, as per the GPL, the source should be not only on ubuntulinux.org, but also on every mirror.
[03:14] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[03:14] <HrdwrBoB> and it is
[03:14] <resiak> z993126: I apologise -- it doesn't appear to tell you. My bad. //server/share
[03:15] <Nemo_> And it's not a vanilla kernel.  All I see is a diff file that I can download through ftp/http.
[03:15] <HrdwrBoB> Nemo_: can you start again and tell me exactly what you have and what you want to acheive
[03:15] <James_k84> Ridell:  I already had it.
[03:15] <resiak> z993126: That's insane, actually. There's no way to know that from reading the manpages. Thanks for pointing it out :)
[03:15] <James_k84> how to I get the sshd to start working?
[03:15] <z993126> ahha oops helps to have the mount point you're trying to put it in...
[03:15] <Nemo_> I need to install a network driver, I need the kernel source, the version that comes with hoary 5.04.
[03:15] <froust> Anyone feel like some ati 64 bit driver hell?
[03:16] <Nemo_> The presence of a kernel*.diff file tells me that I can't get it from kernel.org
[03:16] <eyequeue> Nemo_:  s/kernel/linux/
[03:16] <Nemo_> But I don't have dkpkg installed anywhere I can connect to the internet from.
[03:17] <z993126> well
[03:17] <z993126> i can now browse to my share on xp...
[03:17] <shadeofblue> btw to whoever responded before...freebsd allows installation of xwindows and sshd...so they are probably sufficient free for the GPL
[03:17] <mmond> tail -f file doesn't take too much memory away now . . . does it?
[03:17] <Nemo_> s/kernel/linux/ ?
[03:17] <z993126> but i'm encountering the same problem i had before with utf-16-encoded text files: gedit can't open them across the network
[03:18] <zenwhen> Nemo_, sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10 will give you the tarball in your /usr/src dir.
[03:18] <z993126> if i copy them to a local directory and tell gedit that it's a utf-16 file it can open it...
[03:18] <eyequeue> Nemo_:  right
[03:18] <zenwhen> Linux kernel source for version 2.6.10 with Ubuntu patches
[03:18] <zenwhen> This package provides the source code for the Linux kernel version 2.6.10.
[03:18] <eyequeue> zenwhen:  he appears not to be in ubuntu
[03:18] <Nemo_> You don't understand...
[03:18] <Nemo_> I need this to install a network driver.
[03:19] <z993126> ah ok it accepts if i manually tell it the encoding
[03:19] <skreet> Nemo_, How large are the sources, do you know?
[03:19] <z993126> is there a way to tell gedit the order of encodings to test for when auto-detecting?
[03:19] <Nemo_> Along the lines of 32 megs, perhaps?
[03:20] <skreet> Nemo_, I might be able to download them and zap them on my server if you can deal with my 384kbps cable upload speeds.. would that do?
[03:20] <corza> anyone here had experience with sharing printers via samba?
[03:20] <eyequeue> Nemo_:  wget  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-31_all.deb
[03:20] <HrdwrBoB> Nemo_: why do you need the SOURCE
[03:20] <skreet> Er, or that.
[03:20] <skreet> :D
[03:20] <Nemo_> It will do for now, but someone needs to have them more readily accessible
[03:20] <icesmurf> anyone seen this before : device-mapper: dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[03:20] <HrdwrBoB> Nemo_: they are readily accessible
[03:20] <skreet> HrdwrBoB, He already said he needed to install network drivers into the kernel, I woudl assume ones that arnt compiled or modules
[03:20] <eyequeue> Nemo_:  just wget  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-31_all.deb
[03:20] <icesmurf> i've rebuilt my kernel manually, but i suspect i've missed something
[03:20] <icesmurf> any ideas?
[03:20] <HrdwrBoB> skreet: they are all compiled
[03:21] <resiak> shadeofblue: It was me. My entire point was that OpenSSH and X are _not_ GPL'd. The GPL is not the only Free license.
[03:21] <zenwhen> Nemo_, the GPL does not dictate a container format.
[03:21] <HrdwrBoB> in any case if it's an extra network driver
[03:21] <skreet> Hm.
[03:21] <Nemo_> TThank you
[03:21] <HrdwrBoB> he only needs the headers
[03:21] <HrdwrBoB> in the linux-headers package
[03:21] <HrdwrBoB> in which case he should specify that
[03:21] <Nemo_> I didn't say it needs to be more easily accessed or I'll sue
[03:21] <eyequeue> i don't think this guy is plnning on using ubuntu, he's looking for his gpl rights
[03:21] <nexus-> i assume Ubuntu hasn't released the 2.6.11.6 kernel yet?
[03:21] <Nemo_> Or even that I mind deb
[03:21] <skreet> nexus-, No.
[03:21] <skreet> It's only available on the unofficial and unstable repos, afaik.
[03:21] <HrdwrBoB> nexus-: current kernel is 2.6.10
[03:22] <Nemo_> Just that they need to be downloadable without having to have everything working perfectly
[03:22] <nexus-> okay thanks
[03:22] <l3wwy> guys, how would i kill wine?
[03:22] <l3wwy> like, using the kill command?
[03:22] <skreet> l3wwy, killall wine.
[03:22] <nexus-> i'll need to compile 2.6.11.6 and try and see if i can get wpa working
[03:22] <skreet> without the trailing period.
[03:22] <eyequeue> Nemo_:  will what i said suffice for you?
[03:22] <Nemo_> Yes, thank you
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> nemo: it is, you've also not been clear with what you want
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> I don't think you need the kernel source
[03:23] <eyequeue> Nemo_:  that same directory contains an .orig.tar.gz and a .diff.gz if you prefer
[03:23] <Nemo_> I know I don't need it all, but I would like to have it
[03:23] <HrdwrBoB> yes, and it's all there
[03:23] <dockane> thats strange : i do no get my microphone working. when i change the inout/output volumes i get a accoustic feedback. that means the mic must somehow work doesnt it ?
[03:23] <HrdwrBoB> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10.orig.tar.gz
[03:23] <HrdwrBoB> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-31.diff.gz
[03:23] <dockane> *input
[03:24] <Nemo_> But I said I needed to install a network driver, and all I was getting was linux commands.  No, I wasn't specific that I needed my network card to get online, I assumed I didn't need to be.
[03:24] <eyequeue> Nemo_:  in any case, the gpl mandates the sounce be available, and ubuntu discharges that obligation in that directory
[03:24] <tacoofdeath_> how long will it take for my ubuntu cds to arrive?
[03:24] <LinuxJones> dockane, turn down your speakers
[03:24] <dockane> LinuxJones, its turned down
[03:24] <shadeofblue> Resiak:while they might not be GPL'd the FSF has stamped the Modified BSD license (and if those packages are in freebsd then they preumably adhere to it) as compatable with the GPL
[03:24] <dockane> LinuxJones, i tried to make a test record but audio record gives back a flat line
[03:24] <z993126> Is there an extension for Nautilus to view folder notes in a column in detail view?
[03:25] <kpeterson> I am trying to change my resolution to 1280x1024 but the highest option on the preference dialogue is 1024x768.  I got Ubuntu Live to run at 1280x1024 and copied down the XF86Config-4 file.  I tried to copy and paste some thigns that I thought might help, but no luck.  Any suggestions?
[03:25] <Nemo_> I didn't say ubuntu was noncompliant with the GPL, I just said that it's somewhat inconvenient
[03:25] <Nemo_> well, I was intending to say it is somewhat inconvenient, rather
[03:25] <corza> i need help with sharing my printer via network can someone help me?
[03:25] <eyequeue> Nemo_:  no, i'm just pointing out there's an obligation, even if you were not aware :)
[03:25] <Nemo_> Ah, ok
[03:25] <Nemo_> Indeed, I am
[03:26] <resiak> shadeofblue: We're arguing even though we agree. Let's leave it.
[03:26] <StR> anyone has the bootsplash configured?
[03:26] <randy_345> kpeterson: edit /etc/xorg.conf and add you resolution
[03:26] <HillTop> kpeterson Hi, did ou get your screen resolution worked out?
[03:26] <tacoofdeath_> how long will it take for my ubuntu cds to arrive?
[03:26] <eyequeue> tacoofdeath_:  typically less than 6 months
[03:26] <shadeofblue> Resiak:heh its probably my fault, i am quite a newbie to all this really
[03:26] <Nemo_> Thank you everybody for your help
[03:26] <randy_345> i got them in iraq after 3 mos :)
[03:27] <tacoofdeath_> hehe
[03:27] <tacoofdeath_> i guess thats what comes of being free
[03:27] <kpeterson> HillTop Ah, nice to see you again! I did get the live version working in the correct res, but have not had luck editing the XF86Config file.  Randy_345 says that i should edit xorg.conf so I will try that
[03:27] <eyequeue> tacoofdeath_:  don't hold your breath, release isn't until next month, plus there are many many who have ordered them
[03:27] <z993126> corza: I installed my printer simply by going to Computer:System Configuration:Printing in Gnome...
[03:27] <fissy> which version of ubuntu are you using kpeterson?
[03:28] <z993126> umm...
[03:28] <geneo93> tacoofdeath_:  took 3 weeks to usa
[03:28] <randy_345> right, forgot to ask that...
[03:28] <kpeterson> fissy I am using hoary
[03:28] <tacoofdeath_> what is hoary?
[03:28] <z993126> I don't remember what else I did in particular...I looked on the ubuntu wiki for my specific printer and it had some info
[03:28] <randy_345> kpeterson: hoary uses x.org not xfree86
[03:29] <corza> x993126: read my question again..
[03:29] <fissy> in that case, yeah find the line for 24 bit colour in your xorg.conf file and add "1280x1024" towards the start of the line
[03:29] <randy_345> kpeterson: there is no XF6Config file!
[03:29] <n4cht> ok...
[03:29] <n4cht> what sound daemon does hoary run by default?
[03:29] <juan> where is the dbus session start command at ubuntu? I mean, if it's on .bashrc... or whatever... I want to build dbus with mono support, that's the reason... ?
[03:29] <kpeterson> randy_345 and fissy I think that file must be left over from when i was running warty?
[03:29] <fissy> esd n4cht
[03:29] <HillTop> kpeterson looks like some more help here. :)
[03:29] <fissy> kpeterson, yep
[03:29] <z993126> yeah I think the...printer thing has networking options.  bah I don't even remember, and I just set it up yesterday T_T
[03:29] <kpeterson> HillTop Indeed, thanks for you help!
[03:29] <n4cht> thanks fissy
[03:30] <kpeterson> fissy randy_345 HillTop hopefully this works, thanks guys
[03:30] <l3wwy> hey, anyone here who has actually recieved there CD's from ubuntu raise your hand
[03:30] <juan>  alsa
[03:30] <randy_345> i have!
[03:30] <geneo93> me 3
[03:30] <DoYouUbuntu> so what's the general consensus on Hoary?
[03:30] <z993126> "It's under development"
[03:30] <l3wwy> how many cd's randy_345 and geneo93?
[03:30] <randy_345> they took a trip around the world about 3 times to get to me.. but i got em!
[03:30] <crimsun> Hoary is stable.  Release candidate is tomorrow.  Final release is 8 April, 2005.
[03:31] <randy_345> 2 i386 & 2 amd64
[03:31] <n4cht> ok, i can't get gaim's sounds to work at all using esd, or arts.
[03:31] <mmond> "tail -f file" doesn't take too much memory away now . . . does it?
[03:31] <crimsun> "stable" -> use and stability, not naming convention ;)
[03:31] <geneo93> i got 5 each ppc an x86
[03:31] <fissy> kpeterson, the line needs to look like this: Modes           "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "720x350" "640x480"
[03:31] <icesmurf> nbd110: Request when not-ready
[03:31] <icesmurf> end_request: I/O error, dev nbd110, sector 0
[03:31] <icesmurf> 
[03:31] <icesmurf> anyone seen that before?
[03:31] <corza> Does anyone know how to use webmin-samba?
[03:31] <kpeterson> fissy I think that line is right, but my monitor section is different from what I saw when i booted the live version, so im gonna try to edit that
[03:31] <randy_345> they came from switzerland i think... went to america... went to Army Post Office... went to Iraq!
[03:32] <l3wwy> LOL
[03:32] <artnay> any gnome hackers around?
[03:33] <odysseus1> how can i make mysql-server listen on remote requests ? how to modify /etc/mysql/debian.cnf ?
[03:33] <randy_345> kpeterson, your monitor manual (sometimes on CD) tells you all the compatible resolutions
[03:33] <n4cht> anyone know a command to play sounds through cli?
[03:34] <l3wwy> lol im trying to manually install ut2003 onto my computer thru ubuntu
[03:34] <fissy> n4cht, mpg123 is a console mp3 player
[03:34] <l3wwy> this could take a while ~-^
[03:34] <n4cht> i need a cli wav player.
[03:34] <fissy> search synaptic using the description field
[03:35] <unifi> has anyone ever tried to install drivers for a digital cam?
[03:35] <fissy> unifi, you really shouldn't need to
[03:35] <unifi> `
[03:35] <fissy> n4cht, music123 plays wav, mp3 andb ogg files.
[03:36] <fissy> unifi, which camera do you have?
[03:36] <nexus-> does anyone know if a Dothan processor should go under Pentium M or Pentium III when you compile the kenrel
[03:36] <unifi> sorry not a digital cam
[03:36] <nexus-> *kernel
[03:36] <unifi> web cam... a bit more difficult :)
[03:36] <fissy> m nexus-
[03:36] <fissy> i *think*
[03:36] <fissy> unifi, sorry, have no idea about those things
[03:36] <unifi> most peopel do not...
[03:37] <lewwy> wow
[03:37] <n4cht> ah-hah.  the problem is that i'm missing esdplay!
[03:37] <carambol> uniifi, google it
[03:38] <unifi> I have
[03:38] <unifi> I found drivers and am to like the last step of installing the thing
[03:38] <Marble2> Okay, can someone please help me? I get /sbin/init : cannot open dev/console errors when I boot up. I just added a new hard drive and had to mess around with the cables, someone said that would change the numbering and cause this error? Could someone help me edit my lilo.conf to fix this please?
[03:38] <unifi> and i keep on getting this frustrating message
[03:38] <carambol> http://www.google.com/linux
[03:39] <nexus-> i should probably try and go through the kernel docs instead :P
[03:40] <vexer> hi, I just downloaded drivers for my soundcard (kernel 2.6.x) opensource.createive.com for Extigy, and I did a 'make' and now i have to do insmod exaudio.o to load the driver .. however i get this error : insmod: error inserting 'exaudio.o': -1 Invalid module format
[03:40] <vexer> i can't quite figure out what i'm doing wrong
[03:40] <Bizzeh> is there a creative nomad sdk for linux?
[03:40] <z993126> how do I chnage my screen resolution after installing fglrx for my ATI Radeon 9800?  Gnome's Computer:System Configuration:Screen Resolution gives an error about the X server not supporting the XRandR extension.
[03:40] <Bizzeh> i kno there is a COM one for windows
[03:40] <unifi> does anyone know what * No rule to make target `modules'. means?
[03:41] <Marble2> anyone?
[03:41] <vexer> you tried to do make modules?
[03:41] <unifi> yes I am trying to install drivers for a webcam
[03:41] <vexer> wel it's saying there is no "modules" to make
[03:41] <lewwy> unifi it might be better explaining your problem in context
[03:42] <abrotman> there's no make-kpkg ?
[03:42] <lewwy> oh
[03:42] <lewwy> he did
[03:42] <lewwy> nvm me
[03:42] <unifi> ok :)
[03:42] <unifi> I have a logitek web camera
[03:42] <lewwy> logitec*
[03:42] <vexer> :P
[03:42] <vexer> do the instructions say to do a "make modules"?
[03:43] <carambol> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Webcam-HOWTO.html
[03:43] <unifi> and then I went here http://mxhaard.free.fr/download.html
[03:44] <unifi> to download the drivers for the camera
[03:44] <unifi> and I have been messing around with it for a couple of days
[03:44] <unifi> trying to get it installed
[03:44] <kain> unifi, which model do you have?
[03:45] <unifi> then I found some ubuntu specific directions
[03:45] <unifi> V-UB2
[03:46] <unifi> then I found new directions here...
[03:46] <unifi> http://dvlinux.blogspot.com/2005_03_13_dvlinux_archive.html#111101610927602822
[03:46] <unifi> these are hoard specific
[03:46] <unifi> hoary
[03:46] <unifi> I have installed the kernel
[03:46] <unifi> linked it and everything
[03:46] <kbrooks> but?
[03:46] <unifi> but when I try to spca5xx-20050315; make; make install
[03:47] <kbrooks> ...it errors?
[03:47] <kain> unifi, have you installed kernel-headers?
[03:47] <kain> I know those drivers
[03:47] <unifi> 19 modules
[03:47] <unifi> make[1] : Entering directory `/lib/modules/2.6.10-3-386/build'
[03:47] <unifi> make[1] : *** No rule to make target `modules'.  Stop.
[03:47] <unifi> make[1] : Leaving directory `/lib/modules/2.6.10-3-386/build'
[03:47] <unifi> make: *** [default]  Error 2
[03:47] <kain> also I know zc030x drivers
[03:47] <unifi> kernel-headers?
[03:47] <unifi> what do they do?
[03:47] <kbrooks> kernel headers
[03:48] <kbrooks> pretty obvious on the name
[03:48] <kain> they provides files to compiling against a kernel
[03:48] <kain> if you doesn't have the package, modules like this won't install
[03:48] <unifi> ok
[03:49] <unifi> well let me fire up synaptic
[03:49] <unifi> one sec
[03:50] <kain> btw there's a kernel upgrade available
[03:50] <kain> I use 2.6.10-5-686
[03:50] <robertj> heya all, how's everyone doing
[03:51] <StR> what is the equivalent for   /etc/rc.local in Ubuntu?
[03:51] <dinker> kain probably not a packaged kernel like 2.6.10
[03:51] <unifi> how do I upgrraded the kernel?
[03:51] <kain> unifi, try apt-get install linux-686
[03:51] <robertj> unifi: on what?
[03:51] <robertj> hoary or warty?
[03:51] <kain> dinker, sorry, I haven't undestand what you mean
[03:52] <dinker> kain kernel 2.6.11 is out, but I don't think there is a .deb package that is stable yet for ubuntu. You can roll your own kernel but that sometimes is a pain
[03:52] <robertj> why are you so eager to use 2.6.11?
[03:53] <unifi> I am actually using hoary
[03:53] <kain> Dillweed, that's why I recommend using linux-686 metapackage for hoary
[03:53] <robertj> unifi: is something broken?
[03:53] <unifi> no
[03:53] <robertj> unifi: then don't fix it
[03:53] <Dillweed> kain yep
[03:53] <unifi> ha ok :)
[03:54] <unifi> ok installed kernel-headers
[03:54] <unifi> then tried my make again
[03:54] <unifi> still
[03:54] <unifi> make[1] : Entering directory `/lib/modules/2.6.10-3-386/build'
[03:54] <unifi> make[1] : *** No rule to make target `modules'.  Stop.
[03:54] <unifi> make[1] : Leaving directory `/lib/modules/2.6.10-3-386/build'
[03:54] <unifi> make: *** [default]  Error 2
[03:54] <wilbertoki> Is it normal to only get .4X speed ripping a cd using sound juicer?
[03:55] <lewwy> oh
[03:55] <lewwy> hang on
[03:55] <lewwy> is a new kernel out?
[03:55] <lewwy> would a new kernel help me with my network problems?
[03:55] <kain> unifi, dpkg -l | grep linux-headers what shows?
[03:55] <robertj> unifi: the way to do it is to take the existing patches against 2..6.10 and apply them with make-kpkg against prestine sources for 2.6.11
[03:55] <randabis> 2.6.11.6 is the current stable release of the linux kernel
[03:55] <eyequeue> The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is:           2.6.11.6
[03:56] <lewwy> would a new kernel help with my network problems?
[03:56] <randabis> lewwy, depends on what your network problems are
[03:56] <lewwy> dhclient fails
[03:56] <lewwy> ifconfig works
[03:56] <lewwy> mii-diag shows link beat
[03:56] <lewwy> dmfe module is loaded
[03:56] <lewwy> still
[03:56] <lewwy> doesnt work
[03:57] <randabis> the kernel has nothing to do with dhclient or ifconfig
[03:57] <unifi> ok one sec robertj
[03:57] <lewwy> no DHCP connection
[03:57] <lewwy> well in that case
[03:57] <lewwy> even though about 5 people have tried helping me for many hours
[03:57] <lewwy> does someone wanna take a stab with my linux problem?
[03:57] <Flonne> lewwy, this may seem redundant, but have you tried "ifup <your interface>"?
[03:57] <jas_MHz> What is the point of a AMD64 kernel rather than 32bit ( on amd 64 processor ) - issit worth the lack of compatibility ??
[03:57] <kain> I don't think unifi wants a vanilla kernel + patches, he/she wants to compile a driver as a module, so he/she needs kernel-headers
[03:57] <Flonne> Not really, jas_MHz.
[03:57] <kain> that in hoary are linux-headers
[03:58] <randabis> indeed
[03:58] <Flonne> It's faster in a few situations, but I'd usually rather have Flash.
[03:58] <Flonne> (Though I live without it.)
[03:58] <randabis> Flonne, in that case a 32 bit chroot would be an option
[03:58] <unifi> robertj ii  linux-headers- 2.6.10-19      Header files related to Linux kernel version
[03:58] <unifi> ii  linux-headers- 2.6.10-19      Linux kernel headers 2.6.10 on 386
[03:58] <unifi> ii  linux-headers- 2.6.10-4       Linux kernel headers on 386
[03:58] <Flonne> It would be, but I'm lazy.
[03:58] <lewwy> I have a Davicom 10/100 network adapter and it doesn work.  I have tried dhclient, ifconfig, all to no avail.  Can someone please help?
[03:58] <kain> well unifi
[03:58] <Flonne> I just run two parallel /s on this laptop.
[03:58] <randabis> Flonne, :) nothing wrong with that :p
[03:58] <unifi> thats what I got
[03:58] <jas_MHz> I've been trying to compile wine for amd64 but its hard *sigh
[03:58] <unifi> kain: I think you are right
[03:59] <kain> unifi, that are strange versions
[03:59] <kain> I have
[03:59] <kain> ii  linux-headers- 2.6.10-31      Header files related to Linux kernel version
[03:59] <kain> ii  linux-headers- 2.6.10-31      Linux kernel headers 2.6.10 on PPro/Celeron/
[03:59] <randabis> unifi, linux-headers need to match the kernel you are running
[03:59] <wilbertoki> is .4X ripping speed normal for sound juicer or is something horribly wrong?
[03:59] <unifi> ok how do I find out which one I am running... I am way newbie I know...
[03:59] <kain> unifi, uname -a
[03:59] <unifi> and I usually can figure stup out
[03:59] <randabis> lewwy, the card is detected correct?
[03:59] <eyequeue> uname -r
[03:59] <jas_MHz> what is a 32bit chroot is it swapping kernels w/o reboot??
[04:00] <unifi> stuff out
[04:00] <lewwy> I have a Davicom 10/100 network adapter and it doesn work.  I have tried dhclient, ifconfig, all to no avail.  Can someone please help?
[04:00] <Flonne> No, jas_MHz.
[04:00] <unifi> by scouring google
[04:00] <unifi> but this one has been a tough one
[04:00] <kain> unifi, try doing an sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:00] <Flonne> It's a means of running 32-bit apps from your 64-bit environment.
[04:00] <Flonne> It takes a little bit of effort to set up.
[04:00] <kain> have you never doing some upgrades?
[04:00] <robodex> AMAZING RACE IS ON GOODBYE KIND SIRS
[04:00] <Kirsch> hey guys, i just did a clean install of Warty, then did a smart upgrade to Hoary, now my screen resolution is locked at 800x600, any ideas?
[04:00] <St0n3-C0l> From which site u check ur ip ??
[04:01] <lewwy> www.ipchicken.com
[04:01] <wilbertoki> kirsch: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:01] <jas_MHz> like 32bit libraries? sounds good. Any good URLs for 32bit chroot howto's ??
[04:01] <kain> Kirsch, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:01] <unifi> kain:  2.6.10-3-386
[04:01] <St0n3-C0l> thanks
[04:01] <kain> unifi, try sudo apt-get install linux-686 then, it will download a new kernel optimized for 686, then recheck for linux-headers package in sync with the new version
[04:02] <kain> after it installs, reboot of course, to use new kernel image
[04:03] <unifi> kain it cant find linux-686
[04:03] <unifi> I have  the hoary supported repos
[04:03] <kain> uhm
[04:03] <bob2> unifi: paste your sources.list to #flood
[04:03] <bob2> (it's broken)
[04:04] <robertj> ack! the new OOo icons are kinda ugly
[04:04] <kain> I think linux-686 is in restricted repository
[04:04] <kain> http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/base/linux-686
[04:04] <eyequeue> why would linux be restricted?
[04:05] <kain> I'm wondering
[04:05] <unifi> kain: how do I find what sources I am using outside of synaptic?
[04:05] <eyequeue> unifi:  less /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:05] <kain> unifi, cat /etc/apt/sources.list | less
[04:05] <kain> well, old school
[04:05] <randabis> the linux kernels are in main
[04:05] <kain> ehe
[04:06] <unifi> and then I take them and past them where?
[04:06] <kain> no no
[04:06] <kain> http://rafb.net/paste/
[04:06] <kain> sorry, I read "here"
[04:06] <thanatosys> hello everyone
[04:07] <black_nightmare> any of you know if its an editable setting to beep at shutdown errors or no?
[04:07] <hayden> does kismet work with drivers installed thru ndiswrapper
[04:07] <GnuKemist> thanatosys, hi
[04:07] <kain> randabis, he complains can't find linux-686, I'm wondering why higgs have it under restricted
[04:07] <kain> http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/base/linux-686
[04:07] <kain> Package: linux-686 (2.6.10-7) [restricted
[04:07] <e_machinist> What lib/codec do I need to download to enable dvd playback?
[04:07] <kain> :\
[04:07] <unifi> brb
[04:07] <black_nightmare> hm anyone?
[04:07] <kain> e_machinist, apt-get install libdvdcss2
[04:07] <unifi> I am going to try to restart it
[04:07] <hayden> libdvdcss2
[04:08] <kain> e_machinist, and after that restart gnome, if you use it
[04:08] <thanatosys> yea and if you are in hoary you need to check the wiki about the malirat things
[04:08] <e_machinist> It says that libdvdcss2 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:08] <thanatosys> hey does anyone know how i can make my aterm or gnome-terminal look like this
[04:08] <eyequeue> marillat, not mallrat
[04:08] <thanatosys> http://www.gentoo.org/images/shots/godoisw.jpg
[04:08] <e_machinist> That is what it has been saying all day.
[04:08] <thanatosys> sorry wasnt sure
[04:09] <thanatosys> i was close
[04:09] <pinPoint> i hate this, im playing an avi file from HD and its lagging
[04:09] <pinPoint> video or audio is out of sync
[04:09] <e_machinist> Is libdvdcss2 under a different name or something now?
[04:09] <pinPoint> xine
[04:10] <eyequeue> e_machinist:  http://wiki.ubuntuforums.org/RestrictedFormats
[04:10] <thanatosys> hmm mplayer seemed to be doing the same thing earlier but it may have been because i was running alot of stuff at once
[04:10] <thanatosys> so can anyone tell me how to make my terminals look like this
[04:10] <thanatosys> http://www.gentoo.org/images/shots/godoisw.jpg
[04:10] <thanatosys> lol
[04:10] <goldfish> one o n the left looks like root-tail
[04:11] <e_machinist> That url could not be found.
[04:11] <thanatosys> no i mean how there are no borders
[04:11] <goldfish> not sure though
[04:11] <thanatosys> hmm
[04:11] <pinPoint> so how do i fix this, linux OS seem to have issues when it comes to video, 3d etc
[04:11] <GnuKemist> thanatosys, looks like invisible background
[04:11] <goldfish> oh right
[04:11] <kain> thanatosys, you want to have a desktop terminal search for "eterm transparent" in google
[04:11] <thanatosys> oo so it is eterm
[04:11] <eyequeue> pinPoint:  http://wiki.ubuntuforums.org/RestrictedFormats
[04:11] <GnuKemist> thanatosys, transparent...  that was the word  ;)
[04:11] <thanatosys> well i ment i couldnt get rid of the borders
[04:11] <thanatosys> i can get it tranparent
[04:11] <kain> thanatosys, eterm has an option
[04:12] <thanatosys> but the gnome stuff still stays
[04:12] <e_machinist> wiki.ubuntuforums.org could not be found.
[04:12] <pinPoint> eyequeue: broken link
[04:12] <kain> to make window bordeless and transparent
[04:12] <eyequeue> pinPoint:  http://ubuntuforums.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:12] <eyequeue> e_machinist:    http://ubuntuforums.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:12] <e_machinist> 404 not found
[04:12] <pinPoint> damn it eyequeue
[04:12] <pinPoint> 404!!!!!!
[04:12] <e_machinist> One more strike and your out.
[04:12] <e_machinist> haha.
[04:12] <pinPoint> dAMN!
[04:13] <kain> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:13] <eyequeue> pinPoint:  http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[04:13] <e_machinist> Congrats, kain got it.
[04:13] <nmsa> anyone using kino ? I hve aproblem with IEEE1394, can't see the device and can't control it ... need suggestions please
[04:14] <kain> nmsa, latest udev upgrades should address this issue
[04:14] <kain> creating new nodes under /dev
[04:14] <kain> are you on hoary?
[04:14] <robertj> Does OOo 2.0 beta's databse app work properly if you install it from ooo.org and use the sun jre?
[04:14] <pinPoint> eyequeue: so what does all that have to do with my lagging
[04:14] <pinPoint> by the way, i have been to that site before and got my system fixed for it
[04:14] <nmsa> kain: the last verion of ubuntu, don't know is hoary, how can I find that ?
[04:15] <St0n3-C0l> thanatosys: This is not GNOME I think
[04:15] <thanatosys> yea that isnt
[04:15] <thanatosys> its xfce and gentoo
[04:15] <eyequeue> pinPoint:  you were complaining of
[04:15] <thanatosys> i think
 so how do i fix this, linux OS seem to have issues when it comes to video, 3d etc
[04:15] <St0n3-C0l> aham XFCE
[04:15] <thanatosys> but i wanted to know how to do it in gnome
[04:15] <SeeleyUSMC> I just started my Arabic language class today.  The Marines are teaching some cool stuff nowadays.
[04:15] <St0n3-C0l> 100 points for tha :P
[04:16] <pinPoint> so i get get my audio synced with video?
[04:16] <kain> nmsa, cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep ubuntu, did you see the word "hoary" ?
[04:16] <GnuKemist> SeeleyUSMC, where u at?
[04:16] <SeeleyUSMC> GnuKemist: 29 Palms
[04:16] <GnuKemist> SeeleyUSMC, where's that?
[04:16] <pinPoint> cali
[04:16] <SeeleyUSMC> GnuKemist: California
[04:17] <pinPoint> thats like 2hrs away from me
[04:17] <nmsa> kain: hoary is it!
[04:17] <GnuKemist> SeeleyUSMC, cool
[04:17] <nmsa> I am on hoary, true
[04:17] <linuxpoe1> Hello all
[04:17] <kain> nmsa, and that's good, try upgrading packages with ubuntu upgrade manager
[04:17] <pinPoint> SeeleyUSMC: you ever get your wireless nic to work
[04:17] <pinPoint> i got it on mine
[04:17] <pinPoint> netgear
[04:17] <kain> nmsa, there must be an upgrade tu udev package for ieee1394
[04:18] <mathmatt> can someone help with mplayer?
[04:18] <nmsa> I have the last update so I don't know ... isn't update and distro-upgrade auto-updating ?
[04:18] <SeeleyUSMC> pinPoint: No.  But I went and got a US Robotics card that worked right away.
[04:18] <thanatosys> welll i am googling but not finding anything more interesting than whay i already have
[04:18] <linuxpoe1> Anyone here ever install ubuntu on vmware
[04:18] <pinPoint> eyequeue: cant they be synced?
[04:18] <kain> nmsa, go to a terminal and type sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade to find it out
[04:18] <linuxpoe1> I am having issues getting it to detect a hard drisk
[04:18] <mathmatt> I would like to run mplayer without starting x, but I don't know if it is possible
[04:19] <pinPoint> lol
[04:19] <St0n3-C0l> thanatosys: Its not XFCE, its enlightenment
[04:19] <pinPoint> its like saying you'd like to drive your car without starting it
[04:19] <St0n3-C0l> englightenment*
[04:19] <zenwhen> mplayer can run in a framebuffer
[04:19] <thanatosys> sorry
[04:20] <thanatosys> but i still say it can be done
[04:20] <St0n3-C0l> lol pinPoint yes you can :p
[04:20] <mathmatt> zenwhen, how does that work?
[04:20] <pinPoint> lol
[04:20] <St0n3-C0l> yeah :P try getting Englightenment :P
[04:20] <zenwhen> fuck if i know, but you can
[04:20] <zenwhen> :)
[04:20] <randabis> I'm probably gonna try out e17 in a little bit :p
[04:20] <kain> e17 is cool, but still unusable
[04:20] <St0n3-C0l> pinPoint: but you'll need sum1 who'll push :p
[04:20] <kain> I've tried it yesterday
[04:20] <thanatosys> ahhh dammit why cant it be some simple gnome configuration option
[04:20] <linuxpoe1> e has been "cool" but unusable for years
[04:20] <pinPoint> heh
[04:21] <St0n3-C0l> e17 ?
[04:21] <mathmatt> reason: I can get tv out to work before logging in to gnome, but after i get a garbled image
[04:21] <randabis> enlightenment 17
[04:21] <kain> linuxboy, I'm waiting for their file managers for ages
[04:21] <FR500> hello
[04:21] <kain> linuxpoe1*
[04:21] <linuxpoe1> What?
[04:21] <FR500> is there a way to edit the gnome menus?
[04:21] <kain> linuxpoe1, I'm waiting for their file managers for ages
[04:21] <FR500> the applications menu for instance
[04:21] <linuxpoe1> ahhh
[04:21] <linuxpoe1> I actually like XFCE4 file manager
[04:21] <randabis> I wish I could figure out why I cannot ever get my burner to burn at over 20x speed in linux
[04:21] <kain> ugh
[04:21] <linuxpoe1> simple, gets the job done
[04:22] <pinPoint> i didnt know that
[04:22] <Burgundavia> randabis: have you enabled dma?
[04:22] <pinPoint> thats cool
[04:22] <kain> linuxpoe1, I cannot see it
[04:22] <randabis> Burgundavia, yes
[04:22] <pinPoint> well i want my audio and video synced
[04:22] <kain> linuxpoe1, hate it, dunno why
[04:22] <pinPoint> if anyone has an idea, pm me please
[04:22] <linuxpoe1> to each his/her own :)
[04:22] <kain> sure
[04:22] <linuxpoe1> I still prefer the command line over all of them
[04:22] <kain> linuxboy, for some thing terminal prevails all over gui/fancy stuff
[04:22] <kain> :)
[04:23] <kain> damn
[04:23] <kain> damn xchat autocompletion
[04:23] <St0n3-C0l> thanatosys: You can transparent your GNOME-terminal
[04:23] <kain> lol
[04:23] <kain> linuxpoe1, for some things terminal prevails all over gui/fancy stuff
[04:23] <thanatosys> yes but it still has the border
[04:23] <linuxpoe1> yep
[04:23] <linuxpoe1> O.k. here is the ticket
[04:23] <linuxpoe1> tell vmware to use an IDE disk instead of SCSI
[04:23] <linuxpoe1> and it detected
[04:24] <kain> thanatosys, if you refer to Eterm try running Eterm --trans -x --shade=0 --scrollbar=0 --buttonbar=0 --geometry=80x52+30+30
[04:24] <St0n3-C0l> yeah :P
[04:24] <nmsa> kain: apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade automatic upgrades with the pkg's from update ? or update first & upgrades after ?
[04:24] <e_machinist> After I have acquired the libdvdcss2 how do I get totem to use it?
[04:25] <St0n3-C0l> Gentoo really shines as a Powerful Linux System
[04:25] <linuxpoe1> Gentoo is nice but I don't know that I trust it to production use
[04:25] <kain> nmsa, apt-get update ensure that ubuntu download up to date list of packages, it does nothing else, apt-get upgrade download and then install packages
[04:25] <St0n3-C0l> its nice but headache to install :P
[04:26] <linuxpoet> Actually I found gentoo very easy to install
[04:26] <thanatosys> you guys are genious
[04:26] <thanatosys> even though i cannot spell
[04:26] <linuxpoet> Their documentation is top notch
[04:26] <thanatosys> lol
[04:26] <GnuKemist> Gentoo ispretty straight forward install
[04:26] <nmsa> kain: i have alist of pkg's tu be upgraded but udev is not there ... ?
[04:26] <linuxpoet> As long as your familiar with the old school tools (which I am) it was very easy
[04:26] <kain> gentoo: install from stage 1, compile gnome and wait for 3.0 to come out
[04:27] <GnuKemist> kain, hehehe
[04:27] <linuxpoet> I remember the days of SLS where you got a one line per package install
[04:27] <GnuKemist> kain, it's not that bad
[04:27] <linuxpoet> it just asked you y/n/r
[04:27] <kain> GnuKemist, I joke
[04:27] <calc> linuxpoet: wow your old :)
[04:27] <linuxpoet> thanks for that ;)
[04:27] <calc> linuxpoet: SLS was long dead even 10yr ago when i started
[04:27] <kain> nmsa, try upgrading packages
[04:27] <linuxpoet> I was the first person to sell Linux "Workstations" in Oregon
[04:27] <kain> nmsa, I remember that was a fix for ieee1394
[04:28] <calc> linuxpoet: cool
[04:28] <linuxpoet> We used Yggdrasil plug in play linux
[04:28] <jsgotangco> wow
[04:28] <linuxpoet> that stuff was years ahead of EVERYONE
[04:28] <jsgotangco> thats classic
[04:28] <calc> linuxpoet: i started with slackware 2.2 (iirc)
[04:28] <nmsa> kain: I am
[04:28] <calc> linuxpoet: i still have yggdrasil from 1996
[04:28] <linuxpoet> Used to sell servers with slack until Redhat 5.2
[04:28] <jsgotangco> i started with slack 3.6
[04:28] <kain> nmsa, ok, after that reboot, and we will se what's the problem
[04:28] <linuxpoet> I have some old primetime freewares with the old sls and mcc stuff on it
[04:28] <jsgotangco> i still have those infomagic cds
[04:29] <e_machinist> Now that I have libdvdcss2 installed... how can I get Totem to play dvds?
[04:29] <thanatosys> so has anyone had success at monitor mode in hoary with an smc card?
[04:29] <regeya> nerds.
[04:29] <linuxpoet> My primary platform for development is gentoo while I used FC for desktop
[04:29] <linuxpoet> I am evaluating Ubuntu now
[04:29] <kain> e_machinist, restart gnome
[04:29] <kain> e_machinist, and then try it with totem
[04:29] <kain> e_machinist, just insert your dvd
[04:29] <e_machinist> Will do kain. Brb.
[04:30] <calc> so has anyone played with fc4 yet?
[04:30] <nmsa> kain: I will reboot, should I put the IEEE1394 pcmcia dev in, right? what about my camcorder? should it be on too ?
[04:30] <kbrooks> sls eh
[04:30] <kbrooks> whats sls
[04:30] <linuxpoet> I haven't
[04:30] <kain> nmsa, yes
[04:30] <linuxpoet> I heard it might include Xeno which would be cool
[04:30] <nmsa> ok
[04:30] <kbrooks> zeno?
[04:30] <St0n3-C0l> and I moved to Sarge yesterday ;)
[04:30] <kbrooks> wtf
[04:30] <calc> i downloaded fc4t1 but haven't burned it onto a disc yet
[04:30] <kbrooks> xeno*
[04:30] <kbrooks> St0n3-C0l, heh, why
[04:30] <linuxpoet> Very cool stuff out of cambridge
[04:31] <linuxpoet> ack
[04:31] <St0n3-C0l> Much better than Ubuntu :P
[04:31] <linuxpoet> err afk
[04:31] <kain> syn
[04:31] <kain> :D
[04:31] <FR500> is there any way to edit the gnome menus?
[04:31] <St0n3-C0l> in some functions
[04:31] <St0n3-C0l> eh
[04:31] <kbrooks> St0n3-C0l, did you use woody :p
[04:31] <kain> FR500, you can search a menu editor on ubuntuforums.org
[04:31] <tritium> goldfish, I'm back.  How did things go?
[04:31] <kbrooks> if so, woody == sucks
[04:31] <kbrooks> :P
[04:31] <kain> FR500, but it doesn't work so well for me
[04:31] <St0n3-C0l> FR500: One of my Reasons :P
[04:31] <St0n3-C0l> nah I said Sarge
[04:31] <FR500> tx
[04:31] <St0n3-C0l> I know :P
[04:31] <St0n3-C0l> sucks big time sucks
[04:32] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[04:32] <St0n3-C0l> You can edit your Menus in Sarge easily
[04:32] <kain> how?
[04:32] <FR500> kain, any ideas on why they removed that from gnome?
[04:32] <randabis> St0n3-C0l, you realize that is because it uses gnome 2.8?
[04:32] <mgcross> Hello All
[04:32] <kbrooks> woody is so 90's
[04:32] <FR500> using nautilus applications:/// was very cool
[04:32] <St0n3-C0l> Yeah it does
[04:32] <tritium> FR500, transition to freedesktop.org compliant menus
[04:32] <St0n3-C0l> but I think Gnome 2.10 should also use this
[04:33] <Burgundavia> except is was totally broken
[04:33] <thanatosys> alas everyone it is my retirement time
[04:33] <randabis> FR500, the specification changed to the freedesktop.org ones
[04:33] <thanatosys> ttel
[04:33] <kain> FR500, some internal structure has changed to freedesktop specs
[04:33] <mgcross> very broken...PITA
[04:33] <FR500> tritium, so there will never be an editor, or just temporarily?
[04:33] <tritium> FR500, there's already one that Amaranth coded up
[04:33] <calc> FR500: 2.12 will have an editor
[04:33] <Burgundavia> there will be an editor
 St0n3-C0l, you realize that is because it uses gnome 2.8? -> lol
[04:33] <mgcross> anyone oint me towards a good avi/xvid to mpeg coverter?
[04:33] <tritium> and what calc said ;)
[04:33] <calc> besides the one that amaranth also wrote
[04:33] <FR500> calc, cool, thanls
[04:33] <Burgundavia> also, work is being done so that all packages have .desktop files by default
[04:34] <St0n3-C0l> applications:// works here :P
[04:34] <St0n3-C0l> FR500: try on gnome 2.10
[04:34] <St0n3-C0l> ehh
[04:34] <Zotnix> So when Hoary comes out would I be able to switch right to Breezy?
[04:34] <randabis> St0n3-C0l, it would not be standards compliant if it did. I do agree that it is a grave miscalculation on their part not to provide a menu editor...that's part of the reason I use kde 3.4 now
[04:34] <FR500> St0n3-C0l, in 2.10 there is no editor
[04:34] <tritium> FR500, Amaranth made one
[04:35] <St0n3-C0l> hrmm..
[04:35] <randabis> A member of the ubuntu community has coded a menu editor for gnome 2.10 that works from what I understand
[04:35] <calc> Amaranth made one for ubuntu, official gnome 2.12 will have probably a different one
[04:35] <tritium> FR500, http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=67
[04:35] <St0n3-C0l> He did but doesnt work
[04:35] <FR500> tritium, i'm looking for that, i was only replying
[04:35] <Zotnix> I use it.
[04:35] <Zotnix> It can't delete any entries.
[04:35] <Zotnix> It can add.
[04:35] <kain> Zotnix, m2
[04:35] <St0n3-C0l> One major reason was that when I rebooted it refreshes my /etc/resolv.conf
[04:35] <e_machinist> kain, that is a no go. Totem still cannot play the dvd.
[04:35] <kain> even if i start is as root
[04:35] <randabis> after using kde 3.4 I find gnome kinda stale, but it has its merits
[04:35] <St0n3-C0l> and I was on like back to 'nameserver 0.0.0.0'
[04:36] <mgcross> Tritium, tried it but no dice...<sigh> amd64 bites sometimes...lol
[04:36] <kain> e_machinist, what's the error? it complains about libdvdcss?
[04:36] <St0n3-C0l> Otherwise it was Excellent ;)
[04:36] <tritium> mgcross, oh, I haven't tried, so I have no idea how well it works
[04:36] <grumpysmurf> gnome vs kde comes down to the terminal apps for me... and gnome-terminal wins :-\
[04:37] <e_machinist> kain, the error is "You cannot play this type of media because you do not have the appropriate plugins to handle it."
[04:37] <mgcross> Sorry to harp, but I really need a good avi to mpeg converter...can't find anything via sourceforge....anyone have any idea?
[04:37] <nmsa> when update says: Need to get 49.0MB of archives it means that 49Mb will be downloaded, right ? moreover I have anther q: as the files sys is constantly growing due to upgrades, how one can keep it under control ? i will have no more available space ... in a year or so :) ?
[04:37] <Yomic> Where can I find out how to change my language character set when I type (like Japanese characters)
[04:37] <Zotnix> Is the change for the next release official? The name change... from grumpy gopher to breezy badger?
[04:37] <tritium> mgcross, did you try transcode?
[04:37] <kain> e_machinist, try installing gstreamer0.8-plugins
[04:37] <punjab12> what is different between preview and RC1?
[04:37] <punjab12> anything significant?
[04:37] <punjab12> tomorrow rc1 is out i hear :)
[04:38] <shadeofblue> virtual dub?
[04:38] <e_machinist> alright, I'll get those plugins.
[04:38] <Burgundavia> punjab12: new packages and more bugfixes
[04:38] <mgcross> shadeoofblue, is that linux or windows?
[04:38] <Burgundavia> Zotnix: it is breezy
[04:38] <punjab12> burgundavia:  RC1 I take it is more stable right?
[04:38] <St0n3-C0l> punjab12: are u punjabi ?
[04:39] <Burgundavia> punjab12: RC is closer to the final release, so yes
[04:39] <punjab12> why does everyone ask that :-)
[04:39] <mgcross> tritium, transcode...may have...lemme see :-D
[04:39] <jas_MHz> any good apps to control bandwidth on a per a basis  ( I wanna cap bittorents download so streaming mp3s don't stutter ) ??
[04:39] <Zotnix> I suspect the day Hoary comes out I'll wait a bit and update to Breezy repos
[04:39] <St0n3-C0l> lol Your nick makes them think :P
[04:39] <randabis> punjab12, you misunderstand what the label "stable" means
[04:40] <regeya> lol ror rofl
[04:40] <randabis> "stable" only means that the packages do not change
[04:40] <mgcross> randabis, naturally7..<grin>
[04:40] <unkwn> anyone know how to convert (subtitles) .srt to .sub?
[04:40] <Xira> Does anyone want to help me get Skype to work under Ubuntu?
[04:40] <black_nightmare> sorry duh..why the hell did I leave this channel??? lol
[04:41] <linuxpoet> back
[04:41] <randabis> jas_MHz, azureus can do that
[04:41] <black_nightmare> any of you mind helping me figure a random shutdown issue? (sometimes it appears sometimes not)
[04:41] <mgcross> Tritium, nope, did not....is it in universe (transcode)?
[04:41] <tritium> mgcross, no, in Marillat's repo
[04:41] <linuxpoet> black_nightmare: random shutdown issue?
[04:41] <mgcross> hmmm...think I have that commented out...
[04:42] <mgcross> ^tritium
[04:42] <black_nightmare> linux..sometimes I get the error but shut down just fine somehow..other time it just shuts down smoothly
[04:42] <tritium> mgcross, okay, well, that's where it is
[04:42] <St0n3-C0l> I was going to Update my Sarge's gnome from Hoary Repos
[04:42] <St0n3-C0l> but failed eh
[04:42] <tritium> mgcross, I'll be right back...
[04:42] <black_nightmare> linux..you want look at my 'messages' on pastebin?
[04:42] <linuxpoet> that was my next question
[04:42] <black_nightmare> lol ok
[04:42] <linuxpoet> paste it up
[04:43] <mgcross> tritium, once more, thanks!
[04:43] <black_nightmare> linux... #lfd was quite friendly.... so far its narrowed down to line 85-87 but then he suggested I ask this channel [since its the distro I'm using, doh] 
[04:43] <black_nightmare> http://pastebin.ca/8457 (EXCUSE the other 500+ lines...don't need to really read them all lol)
[04:43] <black_nightmare> and yeah yeah I know..I need MORE ram.. *bangs head*
[04:43] <black_nightmare> but it runs ok on 128MB for now anyhow
[04:44] <e_machinist> kain.... now when I select play disc from the menu in Totem it opens up a file browser for me to select something....
[04:44] <kain> well, only two last lines were useful
[04:44] <kain> and not at all
[04:44] <kain> :P
[04:44] <MacCoaster> I seem to be having problems with Evolution 2.2, I didn't have the problem when I used Evolution 2.0 under gentoo. How can I downgrade Evolution from 2.2 to 2.0 under ubuntu?
[04:44] <randabis> St0n3-C0l, why would you do that when your complaint was that you can't edit menus in hoary's gnome?
[04:44] <linuxpoet> looking
[04:44] <mgcross> tritium, ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[04:44] <kain> e_machinist, eject dvd, restart gnome, and then put your dvd into, and see what happens
[04:44] <e_machinist> alright kain. brb.
[04:44] <mgcross> tritium, wtf?
[04:45] <St0n3-C0l> randabis: bcoz I'll shift to XFCE4 :P
[04:45] <St0n3-C0l> ehehe :> I think Debian developers are trying to fix that editor probs thats why its not packaged yet :P
[04:46] <randabis> St0n3-C0l, uh, that makes no sense
[04:46] <black_nightmare> linuxpoet the similar error seem to have repeated at line 496-498 as well
[04:46] <St0n3-C0l> kidding I thought editor will work
[04:46] <linuxpoet> looking
[04:46] <randabis> technically it will
[04:46] <mgcross> transcode only seems to do raw video to avi/divx...I need to go from avi/divx to mpeg...
[04:46] <black_nightmare> sorry its quite so long hehe :p
[04:46] <St0n3-C0l> now updating back to testing repos
[04:47] <Zugot> what is the easiest way to burn a mp3 cd with ubuntu?
[04:47] <mgcross> Zugot...I use K#B...
[04:47] <mgcross> er K3B
[04:48] <linuxpoet> Do you have a heavy network load when this happens?
[04:48] <mgcross> inellegent, I know, but....
[04:48] <Zugot> mgcross, unbuntu k3b doesn't support mp3s
[04:48] <St0n3-C0l> randabis: leave this problem I also stated the problem of /etc/resolv.conf :)
[04:49] <St0n3-C0l> punjab12: Listening punjabi song eh :P
[04:49] <black_nightmare> linuxpoet...nah...usually I don't have anything open (well as in way of firefox/etc) when I start shutting down
[04:49] <kain> Zugot, http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:DWrl5bYSbZwJ:www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php%3Ft%3D21189%26goto%3Dnextoldest+ubuntu+k3b+mp3&hl=it&client=firefox
[04:49] <linuxpoet> black_nightmare: hmmm, do you have ACPI running?
[04:49] <rookiehwm> i have a strange problem: upon completing the first part of the Ubuntu install, and removing the cd and rebooting, the boot process freezes indefinately at Setting the System Clock using the Hardware Clock as reference
[04:49] <rookiehwm> i've tried the install again, any ideas?
[04:50] <black_nightmare> umm stupid question but whats acpi?
[04:50] <e_machinist> kain, same thing still... I select play disc and it opens a file browser wanting me to select something...
[04:50] <kain> e_machinist, that's really strange since gnome is configured to automatically playback dvds with totem on insert
[04:50] <linuxpoet> Advanced Configuration and Power Interfcae
[04:50] <linuxpoet> trying turning it off with your grub.conf
[04:50] <linuxpoet> ACPI=off
[04:51] <FR500> is there a way to change the Open With Appname menus (when right click a file) to Enqueue In Appname?
[04:51] <black_nightmare> ic in a while.... having 'sofftware updates' installing things now so quite slow
[04:51] <black_nightmare> likewise.. *rolls eyes* I need a 2nd ram stick
[04:51] <e_machinist> kain, yah, and I installed libdvdcss2 and those gstreamer plugins you recommended.
[04:52] <St0n3-C0l> Think If Internet connections goes down in the whole world then :P
[04:52] <St0n3-C0l> For only 1day
[04:52] <HoMiE-[G] > hey
[04:52] <kain> e_machinist, you have done the right thing, but it doesn't work. mm.. not sure if it cannot help, but you can try relying your totem to xine-lib, just apt-get install totem-xine
[04:52] <HoMiE-[G] > can someone help me with setting up my internet connection
[04:52] <HoMiE-[G] > on my other pc
[04:52] <HoMiE-[G] > which has ubuntu
[04:53] <kain> e_machinist, I have totem + gstreamer plugins + xine + libdvdcss2 + w32codecs and it works well
[04:53] <HoMiE-[G] > anyone ?
[04:54] <[1] saber> what your problem homie?
[04:55] <HoMiE-[G] > thanlks
[04:55] <HoMiE-[G] > i need to setup my internet connection
[04:55] <HoMiE-[G] > not for this computer
[04:55] <HoMiE-[G] > cause thsi one is windows
[04:55] <HoMiE-[G] > but for my box
[04:55] <HoMiE-[G] > with ubuntu
[04:55] <HoMiE-[G] > cause i cant get it
[04:55] <saber-> try to type your problem concisely in one message
[04:55] <HoMiE-[G] > k
[04:56] <nmsa> is there a way, place to download packages for ubuntu (like rpmfind.net) ?
[04:56] <HoMiE-[G] > my other computer cannot connect connect to the internet cause its a pppoe connection which i do not knw how to setup
[04:56] <linuxpoet> It should be auto configured nmsa
[04:56] <eyequeue> nmsa:  archive.ubuntu.com
[04:56] <kain> nmsa, check howtoaddextrarepositories on ubuntu wiki
[04:56] <saber-> nmsa: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[04:56] <e_machinist> hmm... well well well... dvd playback is proving to be quite elusive.
[04:56] <HoMiE-[G] > im new with linux only 1 day
[04:56] <black_nightmare> linuxpoet so where would grub.conf be located anyhow? (and ACPI=off in the correct caps too right?)
[04:57] <saber-> homie: there's a pppoe package out there, and some documentation. look around the ubuntu web page
[04:57] <saber-> if you run into problems not found in the docs, then you should come ask in here
[04:57] <nmsa> kain:I have the repo on, but I was wondering if I can download in paralel from diff places ... mostly because right now the apt-get is blocking the packages application and cant run twho sessions in the same time ...
[04:58] <kain> nmsa, that's the way apt works
[04:58] <HoMiE-[G] > saber- i did and i couldnt get it .. it was really confusing .. u think u could help me with setting it up ?
[04:58] <mgcross> Tritium, thanks...does what I need (transcode)
[04:58] <tritium> mgcross, sorry, just got back
[04:58] <tritium> Cool, it works?
[04:58] <kain> e_machinist, did you install totem-xine?
[04:58] <kain> e_machinist, I believe the problem can be solved with this
[04:59] <e_machinist> kain, I'm installing totem-xine right now.
[04:59] <kain> e_machinist, perfect
[04:59] <nmsa> kain: :) just asking ... + another one : what's the use of synaptic, download only for the upgrade pkg's? why one should only download ?
[04:59] <tritium> Zugot, I just read my scrollback that you want to burn mp3 to cd.  Try graveman.  It works without any hassles.
[04:59] <eyequeue> nmsa:  because you want to babysit the install
[04:59] <saber-> i can't hold your hand homie. check out: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-138.html  also try searching google for "ubuntu pppoe"
[04:59] <tritium> Zugot, my wife just tried k3b tonight for that - what a PITA
[04:59] <e_machinist> Hopefully it is solved. I used to use Xine on my old mandrake distro...
[05:00] <nmsa> e_machinist: I have the same pbm with the totem, won't play the DVD ...  looking close to your development  ... :)
[05:00] <e_machinist> nmsa, Synaptic can also reinstall and remove packages.
[05:00] <kain> nmsa, synaptic can show you and search every package in your added repositories, plus it can select the upgrades for you. upgrades mostly are fine, for new upstream releases and bug fixes
[05:00] <eyequeue> nmsa:  the fetch doesn't need babysitting
[05:01] <e_machinist> nmsa, hopefully with kains help I can get this figured out.
[05:01] <nmsa> eyequeue: c'mon, I don't see what else I can say to the install ... how to instruct the install (not the fetch) ?
[05:01] <mathmatt> sucessfully got mplayer to play an avi before loading x
[05:01] <eyequeue> nmsa:  are you familiar with debconf?
[05:01] <nmsa> no
[05:02] <nmsa> maybe this is what I am missing ... :)
[05:02] <eyequeue> nmsa:  right
[05:02] <nmsa> will check soon 'thnx
[05:02] <eyequeue> nmsa:  never let an install run unattended, imo
[05:03] <HoMiE-[G] > does anyone have pppoe conf ?
[05:03] <nmsa> eyequeue: you are right .. .
[05:03] <johnnybezak> yes
[05:04] <HoMiE-[G] > can you send it to me ?
[05:04] <Guerin> HoMiE-[G] : yes, and you can too
[05:04] <Guerin> HoMiE-[G] : no, you can download it from the internet
[05:04] <nmsa> I need your support: a few days ago, while I made upgrade I had some problem on Preparing to replace pcmcia-cs 3.2.5-8ubuntu5
[05:04] <nmsa> (using .../pcmcia-cs_3.2.5-8ubuntu6_i386.deb) ...
[05:04] <nmsa> dpkg: error
[05:05] <eyequeue> nmsa:  btw, a side note, one use of the --download-only switch we'll see in here in the near future: apt-get -d dist-upgrade at bedtime, and ^C at wakeup, day after day, for those on dialup :)
[05:05] <nmsa> I may have some more lines to add, is there a place to paste ? can I put them here ?
[05:05] <HoMiE-[G] > Guerin i cant find it :P
[05:05] <brianb> x has gone wonky on me.  It went from a visually stunning desktop to monochrome (colour depth = 1). I'm running Hoary using an ATI All-In-Wonder.
[05:05] <eyequeue> nmsa:  there's a primary-significance error line, you can paste that one here
[05:06] <nmsa> eyequeue: wow ... super nice
[05:06] <brianb> It happened about a couple of weeks ago during an update.
[05:06] <kain> brianb, have you tried to set DefaultDepth to 24 in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[05:06] <tizen> hmm
[05:06] <kain> brianb, same thing happens to me one time
[05:06] <tizen> my screen seems to drop to powersaving or something
[05:06] <brianb> I'll give it a shot.
[05:07] <nmsa> Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/pcmcia-cs_3.2.5-8ubuntu6_i386.deb
[05:07] <nmsa> this one ?
[05:07] <eyequeue> nmsa:  no, above that it said what the errors were :)
[05:08] <nmsa> processing /var/cache/apt/archives/pcmcia-cs_3.2.5-8ubuntu6_i386.deb (--unpack): subprocess pre-installation script killed by signal (Interrupt)
[05:08] <eyequeue> nmsa:  if needed, you can paste them all to me in a query and i'll let you know which one counted
[05:08] <HoMiE-[G] > guys
[05:08] <mathmatt> anyone know of a good dreamweaver-type html GUI app?
[05:08] <nmsa> don't know what killed the proc
[05:08] <HoMiE-[G] > if i dont have internet on my other comptuer
[05:08] <HoMiE-[G] > how can i get files from thsi comptuer
[05:08] <HoMiE-[G] > to the other one
[05:08] <HoMiE-[G] > ?
[05:08] <HoMiE-[G] > cause im using windows on 1
[05:08] <HoMiE-[G] > and linux on the other
[05:09] <HoMiE-[G] > ubuntu
[05:09] <eyequeue> nmsa:  try this now: sudo apt-get install pcmcia-cs
[05:09] <kain> HoMiE-[G] , if you're connected via lan consider using samba
[05:09] <MacCoaster> If I'm running kernel 2.6.10-686 I shouldn't get kernel-headers 2.6.8 or does it matter?
[05:09] <brianb> Worked like a charm, kain.  Thanks!
[05:09] <kain> brianb, great
[05:09] <HoMiE-[G] > can i burn it on a cd ?
[05:09] <HoMiE-[G] > or something easy
[05:09] <HoMiE-[G] > rather than screwing with setting that up
[05:09] <nmsa> eyequeue: pcmcia-cs is installed
[05:09] <kain> MacCoaster, only if you plan to compile some external kernel modules
[05:09] <HoMiE-[G] > that could take a long time cause im a new user to this
[05:09] <tritium> brianb, you may want to read the part about the md5sum at the top of /etc/X11/xorg.conf, now that you've edited it by hand
[05:10] <nmsa> maybe this is the reason I can't see my IEEE1394, the probelm I refered to kain
[05:10] <eyequeue> nmsa:  that looks like it failed to unpack for some reason.  'df' show your drive to be full?
[05:10] <eyequeue> near !00%
[05:10] <eyequeue> 100
[05:10] <nmsa> eyequeue: no way, 50%  free
[05:10] <eyequeue> k
[05:10] <kain> MacCoaster, if you're on hoary and wants kernel headers you must get linux-headers package
[05:11] <kain> nmsa, kernel and linux-headers must version match
[05:11] <eyequeue> nmsa:  try this now: sudo apt-get install pcmcia-cs, see if the errors are still present
[05:11] <hybrid> hello all
[05:11] <nmsa> kain: aha! how do I check that ?
[05:12] <kain> fire up synaptic and search for "2.6.10"
[05:12] <stuNNed> scuze my lingo but godamnit linuxant drivers just suck, are there any other alternatives to Conexant HSF modem?
[05:12] <eyequeue> nmsa:  and see if 'sudo dpkg -l pcmcia-cs' starts with "ii "
[05:12] <nmsa> eyequeue: I am running as we speak a apt-get I will have to apply this later
[05:12] <kain> nmsa, probably you will see linux-image and linux-headers, they must have same version
[05:12] <eyequeue> nmsa:  okay
[05:13] <black_nightmare> stunned -- external modems?
[05:13] <MacCoaster> kain, ah linux-headers, thanks.
[05:13] <eyequeue> nmsa:  "ii " is good btw
[05:13] <MacCoaster> kain, i was just unsure cuz kernel-headers couldnt match
[05:13] <e_machinist> kain, should I restart after installing the totem-xine package?
[05:14] <kain> e_machinist, not necessarly but recommended
[05:14] <stuNNed> black_nightmare: internal laptop modem
[05:14] <e_machinist> alright, brb kain.
[05:14] <stuNNed> black_nightmare: do you know of another driver?
[05:14] <kain> MacCoaster, if I'm not wrong they were renamed to a new version, before they was kernel-headers, now linux-headers
[05:14] <kain> MacCoaster, you can see that from the version
[05:14] <eyequeue> kain:  kernelfoo is debian linuxfoo is ubuntu
[05:14] <tritium> MacCoaster, kernel-headers are the Debian header packages.  linux-headers are the ubuntu header packages
[05:14] <stuNNed> black_nightmare: afaik there is open source alternative nowaddays
[05:14] <MacCoaster> kain, yeah, its just that i was reading some instructions, apparently outdated
[05:14] <black_nightmare> ic...no idea then sorry stunned
[05:15] <kain> eyequeue, ic
[05:15] <stuNNed> black_nightmare: but i'm unsure
[05:15] <MacCoaster> tritium, gotcha, thanks! :)
[05:15] <tritium> np
[05:15] <kain> I think linux* is more appropriate then kernel*.
[05:16] <randabis> kernel sanders
[05:16] <black_nightmare> I'm going to bed now so bye
[05:16] <nmsa> how can I startup synaptic in ro mode ?
[05:17] <randabis> ro mode? read only?
[05:17] <eyequeue> man synaptic
[05:17] <eyequeue> if you are an expert, perhaps -o
[05:17] <eyequeue> i'm not
[05:17] <nmsa> randabis: yes
[05:18] <randabis> read the manual, probably tells you how
[05:18] <eyequeue> dlocate can be started as non-root (non-sudo) for that
[05:18] <geppy> I upgraded from Warty to Hoary;  how can I get my menus to go to the "Warty" style of having the three menus on the top panel?
[05:19] <kain> I have three menus
[05:19] <tritium> geppy, you should have "Applications", "Places", and "System"
[05:19] <eyequeue> geppy:  menus seem to be one of the problem areas in gnome 2.10 (hoary)
[05:20] <nmsa> man synaptic is not verbose ... doesn't tell me the -o  :-/
[05:20] <geppy> I have "Applications" and "Computer", the Warty style
[05:20] <eyequeue> nmsa:  yeah, apparently if you're not an "expert" you're not to know how to run your software :(
[05:20] <tritium> geppy, sounds like your update didn't go so well
[05:21] <geppy> tritium: Everything else is working fine, though.
[05:21] <tritium> geppy, did you follow this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes ?
[05:21] <geppy> No, I just dist-upgraded.
[05:21] <eyequeue> but ... warty had three menus for you?
[05:21] <geppy> Argh, if I could've just found my Hoary CD when I was reformatting...
[05:21] <geppy> eyequeue: No, I have "Applications" and "Computer"
[05:22] <eyequeue> geppy:  to me, that sounds like warty, not hoary
[05:22] <geppy> eyequeue:  I'm running Hoary, promise.
[05:22] <geppy> All of the same versions that I normally use in Hoary are here.
[05:22] <tritium> geppy, cat /etc/issue
[05:22] <Fackamato> how do I reconfigure my fonts?
[05:22] <Fackamato> locales etc
[05:22] <geppy> It's just the desktop preferences that are oldschool.
[05:22] <eyequeue> geppy:  warty always had 2 here, and hoary 3
[05:22] <geppy> Hoary, promise
[05:22] <geppy> eyequeue: Yes, I'm aware of that.
[05:23] <eyequeue> geppy:  how did you manage to have 3 in warty, before?
[05:23] <geppy> That's why I'm in here saying "my menus are still Warty-style, but I'm running Hoary"
[05:23] <geppy> eyequeue: I didn't.
[05:23] <tritium> geppy, were packages removed during the dist-upgrade?
[05:23] <geppy> eyequeue: I normally run Hoary.
[05:23] <Xira> Ubuntu is by far the best Linux distro imo. It's the only distro that I've found that I'm COMPLETELY satasfied by. Hats off to the Ubuntu community & team !
[05:23] <geppy> tritium: Not sure, I wasn't really paying attention.
[05:23] <eyequeue> geppy:  i'm obviously confused, i'll step out of this now
[05:23] <tritium> geppy, you should, given the dangerous nature of dist-upgrade
[05:23] <randabis> There is no "best" distro imho
[05:23] <geppy> heh
[05:23] <randabis> You have to find what shoe fits you
[05:23] <Xira> For me, I mean.
[05:24] <eyequeue> Xira:  glad to hear you satisfaction
[05:24] <geppy> tritium: It has always worked fine for me with Ubuntu. =)
[05:24] <randabis> :) better
[05:24] <tritium> Xira, that's awesome :)
[05:24] <eyequeue> s/you/your/
[05:24] <Xira> I like it so much I at least have 1 copy on all of my systems, including my new shiny Dell Inspiron 800m
[05:24] <nmsa> synaptic in ro ... I will rise this q to ubuntu mail list too, as I think this is a important feature, and must be available by  default
[05:25] <geppy> I'm installing ubuntu-desktop, that should probably fix it.
[05:25] <tritium> geppy, yes, but you don't seem to check what packages get removed
[05:25] <eyequeue> Xira:  maybe fire off a thank you email to the good folks at canonical
[05:25] <tritium> geppy, for example, ubuntu-desktop should not be removed
[05:25] <geppy> tritium:  Well, I checked at the time, but I've forgotten by now.
[05:25] <Xira> eyequeue, contact info?
[05:26] <geppy> tritium:  Right, but I tend to delete ubuntu-desktop whenever I remove something that it depends on.
[05:26] <tritium> geppy, apt-get -u dist-upgrade will allow you to see what's about to happen before you let it
[05:26] <geppy> tritium: I saw it all at the time, it's just that I've forgotten, now.
[05:26] <tritium> geppy, yes, but that's not supposed to happen going from Warty -> Hoary
[05:26] <geppy> _Actually..._
[05:26] <eyequeue> Xira:  info@canonical.com
[05:27] <Xira> thanks.
[05:27] <nmsa> I upgraded yesterday evening my dist and now I have gnome10. by far this is the simplest to use distro, as in mdk I tried and tried, and was hard to get is ... It needed lots and lots f pkg's ... at the end I said ... whatever, I can use gnome 2.6 ..
[05:27] <eyequeue> Xira: np
[05:27] <geppy> I think that it might not be that I just haven't logged out since then, it was only a couple of days ago.
[05:27] <eyequeue> geppy:  heh
[05:27] <geppy> heh =)
[05:27] <geppy> meh, I'll do it eventually
[05:27] <geppy> Thanks, guys
[05:28] <eyequeue> geppy:  the perils of a system that doesn't hang every few hours :)
[05:29] <kain> btw I compiled amule cvs on ubuntu that uses gtk 2
[05:29] <kain> it rocks
[05:30] <kain> well, I'm going to bed
[05:30] <kain> see you soon
[05:31] <tritium> night
[05:31] <nmsa> as the files sys is constantly growing due to upgrades, how one can keep it under control ? i will have no more available space ... in a year or so :) ?
[05:31] <omni_lonnie> has anyone here ever used (successfully) netzero with ubuntu?
[05:31] <tritium> nmsa, apt-get clean will clean out apt's cache
[05:31] <Yomic> ahahaha
[05:31] <randabis> nmsa, clean the apt-cache once in a while
[05:31] <Yomic> Netzero < *
[05:31] <eyequeue> nmsa:  and auto-clean will just keep the current debs
[05:32] <Yomic> Actually. AOL < Netzero < *
[05:32] <eyequeue> nmsa:  but yes, i've been forced to remove some apps because of upgrade-bloat before
[05:32] <Yomic> Anyone hear of the AOL-opimized computer aol is trying to sell. XD
[05:32] <Yomic> ?*
[05:33] <nmsa> I know this uys, is just that every upgd tells me how much will the fs increase due to upgd, even if most of the time the space needed is a few hundreds k ..
[05:33] <omni_lonnie> yah yah, I know... but my friend is using it and wants to get rid of windows..
[05:33] <eyequeue> nmsa:  tonight, my hoary went up by 116 mb from yesterday
[05:33] <Yomic> Interesting.  He should get rid of netzero as well (to have a clean slate)
[05:33] <nmsa> wow ! mine as well, nut I don't know how much  :)
[05:33] <tritium> nmsa, it tells you how much the space the package requires, but the existing packages being replaced already use most of that value already
[05:34] <tritium> it's not additional space
[05:34] <omni_lonnie> I suggested that too, but he's paid up for a year :(
[05:34] <Yomic> I see :/
[05:35] <Xira> eyequeue, mind if I initiate a query?
[05:35] <eyequeue> Xira:  sure thing
[05:36] <Fackamato> hm, how come I can't read what's inside [code]  statements in forums?
[05:36] <Fackamato> there's no text
[05:36] <Fackamato> it's there, but blank
[05:36] <Fackamato> like I'm missing some font or something
[05:36] <Fackamato> (i can copypaste to gedit for example)O
[05:37] <johnnybezak> whens hoary released?
[05:37] <eyequeue> 6 or 8 april
[05:37] <Flonne> The eighth.
[05:37] <eyequeue> i've heard both
[05:37] <johnnybezak> yep
[05:38] <eyequeue> rc1 comes out tomorrow supposedly
[05:38] <Moleculo> good stuff
[05:38] <eyequeue> i'm not really sure how i can test rc1 though
[05:39] <johnnybezak> they seem to be doing loads of work i update like 100 mb every few days with apt-get upgrade
[05:39] <tritium> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[05:39] <eyequeue> yeah, i got 116 mb today
[05:40] <Roey> hi
[05:41] <nmsa> xfonts-base 6.8.2-7 [5793kB]   xfonts-100dpi 6.8.2-7 [4554kB]  what's in these pkg's ?
[05:41] <nmsa> always so big ?
[05:41] <tritium> nmsa, apt-cache show xfonts-base
[05:41] <nmsa> sorry ... can you explain please ...
[05:41] <tritium> nmsa, I explained to you that it's not additional space
[05:42] <eyequeue> nmsa:  that was a command he gave you, type it at a terminal
[05:42] <nmsa> I understood that ...
[05:42] <tritium> nmsa, that will tell you more about the package.  try it
[05:42] <nmsa> just asking what is inside these pkg's ... nothing to do with the space ocupied here
[05:42] <tritium> you asked what's in those packages.  I showed you how to find out
[05:42] <nmsa> got it
[05:43] <eyequeue> if you really want a verbose answer to what's in there, dpkg -L xfonts-100dpi
[05:44] <atellaeche> hi there
[05:45] <FChavez> anybody here ?
[05:45] <nmsa> It contains fonts without which X servers will not work. I don't understand this, since I can't see diff type of fonts ...
[05:45] <FChavez> I could use some help
[05:45] <eyequeue> only works if it's isntalled, apt-cache show works even if not
[05:45] <nmsa> it works ...
[05:46] <nmsa> too deep info I believe I have to refer to X man ... and see the principle of fonts ...
[05:46] <johnnybezak> any of you guys used latex
[05:46] <nmsa> me not
[05:46] <eyequeue> i like apt-cache show foo before deciding whether to install something
[05:47] <dataw0lf> I've used Latex.
[05:47] <dataw0lf> or 'LaTeX'
[05:47] <tritium> johnnybezak, yes, quite a bit
[05:47] <johnnybezak> tritium: what do you use for styling it? what sort of alternatives are there?
[05:48] <tritium> johnnybezak, I mostly use IEEE Transactions style for publications.
[05:48] <tritium> johnnybezak, what are you wanting to produce?
[05:48] <johnnybezak> tritium: ok
[05:49] <johnnybezak> tritium: oh nothing really i'm just interested
[05:49] <tritium> johnnybezak, and I use latex-beamer for presentations
[05:49] <ice_1963> lol
[05:50] <johnnybezak> will there be a hula package anytime soon?
[05:50] <tritium> johnnybezak, have you read the "Not so short introduction..."?
[05:50] <gbhat> need help with Hoary
[05:50] <tritium> johnnybezak, one of the MOTUs has packaged it
[05:50] <johnnybezak> tritium: im just reading the intro on the latex website
[05:50] <gbhat> sound will not work on my Hoary box
[05:50] <johnnybezak> MOTU's ?
[05:50] <johnnybezak> gbhat: try different drivers
[05:50] <tritium> Masters of the Universe (as in the universe repo)
[05:50] <gbhat> Chipset VIA8237, Mixer CMI
[05:51] <gbhat> johnnybezak, how do I do that in Ubuntu?
[05:51] <johnnybezak> gbhat: gstreamer-properties i think
[05:51] <verden01> what is meant by the Enterprise Edition ?
[05:52] <johnnybezak> verden01: what in
[05:52] <e_machinist> kain, DVDs work fine now. Small audio delay in Bruce Almighty though... didn't notice an audio lag in any of the other dvds I tried.
[05:52] <verden01> ubuntu
[05:52] <johnnybezak> verden01: there is no enterprise edition in ubuntu
[05:52] <verden01> k
[05:52] <alainm> wow..that preview rocks..
[05:53] <gbhat> that did not work johnnybezak
[05:53] <johnnybezak> gbhat: what didnt work?
[05:53] <gbhat> gstreamar-properties
[05:53] <johnnybezak> changing the drivers or the actual program itself
[05:53] <gbhat> I tried telling it to use ALSA architecture
[05:54] <gbhat> changing the driver
[05:54] <geneo93> tritium:  got kppp working
[05:54] <tritium> johnnybezak, I do recommend the not so short intro
[05:54] <tritium> geneo93, yeah, I remember.  good job :)
[05:54] <johnnybezak> tritium: i'll check it out
[05:54] <tritium> johnnybezak, and if you want a book, the one by Helmut and Kopka is great
[05:55] <johnnybezak> tritium: is it online?
[05:55] <tritium> no
[05:55] <andrewski> linux is so cool; i'm using ubuntu but am also chrooted into a gentoo install, updating packages. :)
[05:55] <HoMiE-[G] > yay
[05:55] <HoMiE-[G] > thnks guys
[05:55] <geneo93> tritium:  they need to put noauth in /ect/ppp.conf
[05:55] <HoMiE-[G] > got my intenet conenction setup
[05:55] <HoMiE-[G] > lol
[05:55] <HoMiE-[G] > finally
[05:55] <FChavez> help for a noob in Linux plz msg me
[05:55] <johnnybezak> FChavez: just ask
[05:55] <andrewski> FChavez: ask here
[05:56] <tritium> geneo93, warty or hoary?
[05:56] <St0n3-C0l> Its real cool :P
[05:56] <geneo93> hoary
[05:56] <gbhat> any other tip as to how I can get sound working on my box?
[05:56] <St0n3-C0l> Cool as Cucumber :P
[05:56] <gbhat> Hoary, with VT8237 AC97
[05:56] <tritium> geneo93, it's in main, so you can file a bug
[05:56] <geneo93> tritium:  it didn't work on warty either
[05:56] <St0n3-C0l> Windows - Hot as Hell but for Games As sweet as Pie
[05:56] <St0n3-C0l> :p
[05:56] <FChavez> ok heres the thing, I just installed ubuntu today, but I cant get other resolution besides 640*480
[05:56] <FChavez> and I cant get sound or internet
[05:57] <FChavez> what can I do ?
[05:57] <St0n3-C0l> FChavez: dpkg-reconfigure xorg
[05:57] <Homie> hehe
[05:57] <St0n3-C0l> i think :P
[05:57] <tritium> xserver-xorg
[05:57] <Homie> sweet
[05:57] <St0n3-C0l> is it xorg ?
[05:57] <gbhat> how do I configure sound in Ubuntu?
[05:57] <tritium> xserver-xorg (if Hoary)
[05:57] <Homie> its all working
[05:57] <St0n3-C0l> ohh
[05:57] <Homie> lol
[05:57] <eyequeue> FChavez:  warty or hoary?
[05:57] <St0n3-C0l> Ubuntu uses xorg and Sarge uses XFree86 :p
[05:57] <St0n3-C0l> bit confusing eh
[05:57] <St0n3-C0l> Hommie: sweet what :P
[05:57] <gbhat> I got xcompmgr and transset working but sound is proving too difficult for me in Hoary :p
[05:58] <FChavez> i dont know, how can I tell if its warty or hoary ?
[05:58] <andrewski> it's warty. :D
[05:58] <St0n3-C0l> FChavez: You got it so you should know which version it is :P
[05:58] <mercurus> hmm ... anyone setup a bridge on Ubuntu ?
[05:58] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[05:58] <eyequeue> FChavez:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, if that works, it's wrty :)
[05:58] <FChavez> where do I type that ?
[05:58] <St0n3-C0l> Terminal
[05:58] <eyequeue> FChavez: in a terminal
[05:59] <tritium> FChavez, first, cat /etc/issue please
[05:59] <St0n3-C0l> :)
[05:59] <gbhat> any tip as to how I can get sound working on my box?
[05:59] <St0n3-C0l> yeah and then paste it here
[05:59] <gbhat> Hoary, with VT8237 AC97
[05:59] <FChavez> and whats that for ?
[05:59] <tritium> to determine Warty or Hoary
[06:00] <St0n3-C0l> ghhat: Try throwing out of the Window then might it'll work ;)
[06:00] <factotum> to create an audio cd with nautilus, what app should i use to convert the .mp3's to .wav?
[06:00] <eyequeue> FChavez: the reconfig is for your resolutiuon changing, the /etc/issue is to help us know what you're running
[06:00] <tritium> factotum, graveman can do it automatically
[06:00] <factotum> graveman, never heard of it
[06:00] <factotum> hmm
[06:00] <chadd> considering installing on a sony pcg-f430 with linksys wireless-b pcmcia card, anyone confirm this combination "works" on install?
[06:00] <gbhat> thanks for the help St0n3-C0l :)
[06:00] <FChavez> oh Im using Windows right now, because I dont have internet on ubuntu
[06:00] <calamari> why is sound so different on hoary?  different kernel?
[06:01] <tritium> factotum, it's in hoary universe
[06:01] <factotum> tritium: is it another burning app?
[06:01] <tritium> factotum, yes
[06:01] <gbhat> gnomebaker is better than graveman
[06:01] <factotum> ive tried k3b and gnomebaker, neither will work so far
[06:01] <tritium> factotum, yeah, k3b can't do it
[06:01] <factotum> i get buffer underrun errors with gnomebaker
[06:01] <gbhat> then you might be having problems with cdrdao or related package
[06:01] <johnnybezak> what is with anything unix/linux being hard to pronounce
[06:01] <geneo93> anyone know how to get nicotine to connect
[06:01] <St0n3-C0l> gbhat: NP try and feel the difference :P
[06:02] <chadd> I've looked in the HardwareSupportMahinesLaptops documentation, and specifically the Sony PCG-F430 (vaio) isnt mentioned, no luck finding anything mentioning linksys wifi card, tho rh 7.x is known to "just work"
[06:02] <St0n3-C0l> factotum: try cdrecord its real good I tried yesterday
[06:02] <tritium> factotum, are you running Hoary?
[06:02] <factotum> i thought so too, I reinstalled cdrecord, cdrao, and cdparanoia just to see if it would help
[06:02] <factotum> yea hoary
[06:02] <tritium> well, graveman is in universe if you care to try it
[06:02] <St0n3-C0l> cdrecord is command-line
[06:02] <tritium> it's a snap
[06:03] <Dr_Acemaster> I'm trying to install xchat-tcl but get package not found w/ apt-get, any suggestions?
[06:03] <St0n3-C0l> cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc --data file.iso
[06:03] <St0n3-C0l> u can define speed i dun know the line of speed
[06:03] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[06:03] <tritium> Dr_Acemaster, apt-cache search xchat shows that there is no package called xchat-tcl
[06:03] <Xira> Is it possible to get gmail POP to work under Evolution?
[06:03] <tritium> Xira, I have it working, yes
[06:03] <zenrox> Dr_Acemaster,  its allready installed
[06:04] <Xira> tritium, how do you specify the port options?
[06:04] <St0n3-C0l> Nero peace of shit* was not writing Sarge iso correctly
[06:04] <Xira> I don't see it anywhere
[06:04] <St0n3-C0l> but cdrecord worked successfully
[06:04] <tritium> :port appended to the server
[06:04] <Dr_Acemaster> tritium: was taht a statement or a question?
[06:04] <tritium> Dr_Acemaster, a statement
[06:04] <Dr_Acemaster> zenrox: why wouldn't it say already installed?
[06:04] <factotum> huh, this is a new error:   * (process:14259): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[06:04] <tritium> Xira, server.ip.address:port
[06:04] <factotum> tried doint an apt-get install of graveman to check it out
[06:04] <zenrox> Dr_Acemaster, its part of the xchat deb file
[06:04] <Dr_Acemaster> well I'm trying to get my sounds to play correctly in xchat, esdplay is not playing them correctly, any suggestions?
[06:05] <tritium> Dr_Acemaster, is esd running?
[06:05] <Dr_Acemaster> I don't believe so
[06:05] <tritium> Dr_Acemaster, then esdplay won't work
[06:05] <Dr_Acemaster> it plays them
[06:05] <tritium> pgrep esd, Dr_Acemaster
[06:05] <Dr_Acemaster> but they are like 3 times faster than they should be
[06:06] <Dr_Acemaster> 3436
[06:06] <tritium> it's running, then
[06:06] <Dr_Acemaster> k
[06:06] <tritium> playing too fast is not the same as not playing
[06:06] <Dr_Acemaster> well I said they weren't playing correctly
[06:06] <tritium> indeed
[06:07] <Dr_Acemaster> not correctly, too fast :)
[06:07] <tritium> :)
[06:07] <Dr_Acemaster> so...
[06:07] <Dr_Acemaster> that's why I'm looking for an alternative
[06:07] <tritium> Dr_Acemaster, does sound in general work correctly?
[06:07] <Dr_Acemaster> and every other package that has been suggested is not found
[06:07] <Dr_Acemaster> tritium: yes
[06:08] <tritium> that's odd...
[06:08] <Dr_Acemaster> these are .wav files I pulled from mirc
[06:08] <Dr_Acemaster> I'd try to play them in xmms, but can't find the files since I don't know how to show hidden dirs
[06:08] <Dr_Acemaster> ie they are under .xchat2/Sounds
[06:09] <Dr_Acemaster> then I'd know if it's the sound player, or the file themselves
[06:09] <Dr_Acemaster> although I know they play fine in windows
[06:09] <geneo93> tritium:  now what do you know about nicotine
[06:09] <nmsa> eyequeue: apt-get tells me: pcmcia-cs is already the newest version.
[06:09] <zenrox> Dr_Acemaster,  in the browes for files right click and then go to show hidden files
[06:09] <hybrid> anyone know of the irssi command to list all the nicks in a channel
[06:09] <Dr_Acemaster> zenrox: doesn't work for some reason
[06:09] <zenrox> hmm
[06:09] <DazeD||laptop> i know this isnt  a great place to ask but anyone know why my torrents gooo soooo slow if they go at all?
[06:10] <Dr_Acemaster> if I'm using xmms and go to add file
[06:10] <tritium> geneo93, that it's addictive ;)
[06:10] <zenrox> Dr_Acemaster,  type in the path manuly
[06:10] <geneo93> tritium:  cant get it to do much the first four line are grayed out under file
[06:11] <hybrid> DazeD : how many leecher/seeds
[06:11] <tritium> geneo93, I've never heard of the software version of nicotine ;)
[06:11] <DazeD||laptop> above 40 each
[06:11] <DazeD||laptop> hybrid: ^
[06:12] <hybrid> DazeD||laptop : so therefor it will be kinda slow for the great number of leechers
[06:12] <nmsa> eyequeue: ii  pcmcia-cs it is ...
[06:12] <geneo93> tritium  its a py-gtk p2p type thing
[06:12] <DazeD||laptop> well im downloading from like the most seeders available hybrid im going to pm you
[06:12] <Dr_Acemaster> zenrox: good idea, however I guess xmms won't play the file either, it won't even load up
[06:12] <tritium> geneo93, no, that's gtk stuff for python
[06:12] <hybrid> DazeD||laptop : only reason i can think of where are you getting the torrents from and what prog are you using
[06:13] <hybrid> DazeD||laptop : ok
[06:14] <synd> is it me, or does hoary's desktop look/feels smoother than warty's?
[06:14] <geneo93> synd:  it refined yes
[06:14] <nmsa> kain: I don't have the headers installed
[06:14] <grumpysmurf> synd thats what development will do :)
[06:15] <synd> grumpysmurf: love it!
[06:15] <grumpysmurf> :)
[06:15] <nmsa> I will reboot, see you later, got to check my IEEE1394 with my camcorder :) hope it will work
[06:15] <synd> when i run apt-get i get some errors that i dunno what they are..
[06:16] <St0n3-C0l> synd: what errors ?
[06:16] <synd> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release: The following signatures could n't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B 907
[06:16] <synd> 3 like those
[06:16] <St0n3-C0l> Giving online test of Physics and having headache :P
[06:17] <Alteax> Can some one awser me some quick questions?
[06:17] <tritium> synd, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary/
[06:17] <St0n3-C0l> Alteax: Ask, if someone will know then they'll
[06:17] <synd> Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net hoary-back ports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net_ubuntu_dists_h oary-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[06:17] <synd> and 2 like that
[06:17] <tritium> synd, see above URL for GPG errors
[06:18] <synd> tritium: checking that out right now
[06:18] <tritium> synd, as for backports, they really shouldn't be used if you plan to upgrade to Hoary
[06:19] <HoMiE-[G] > hey synd
[06:19] <synd> tritium: so i should just take them out of the sources.list?
[06:19] <HoMiE-[G] > i got it to work after
[06:19] <HoMiE-[G] > i got pppoe to work
[06:19] <skreet> Where do i put TTF files?
[06:19] <HoMiE-[G] > without sending the file
[06:19] <HoMiE-[G] > files*
[06:19] <synd> HoMiE-[G] : really? how did you go by that?
[06:19] <tritium> synd, I wouldn't use them, yes.
[06:20] <hybrid> can someone give me a quick run down on ssh
[06:20] <St0n3-C0l> Is there gaim-themes in the packages of Hoary repos ?
[06:20] <hybrid> how to use it
[06:20] <tritium> St0n3-C0l, do you have hoary installed?
[06:20] <synd> tritium: okay. i just upgraded to Hoary.. so ill take those out. that will take care of the backport error messages in the apt-get, correct?
[06:21] <tritium> synd, it should
[06:21] <St0n3-C0l> hybrid: You want to run SSH Server or Log into SSH address?
[06:21] <St0n3-C0l> tritium: nopes just asking :P
[06:21] <tritium> St0n3-C0l, apt-cache search gaim doesn't show any
[06:21] <St0n3-C0l> Was installed the previous day
[06:21] <hybrid> St0n3-C0l: log into ssh address
[06:21] <St0n3-C0l> hybrid: ssh -l username address
[06:22] <St0n3-C0l> type that in Terminal
[06:22] <hybrid> ok thnx
[06:22] <hybrid> St0n3-C0l:i knew it was in the terminal
[06:22] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[06:23] <hybrid> ;)
[06:23] <EMan> I got Ubuntu running, but I cannot seem to get the nVidia drivers from their site to install, as it is asking for the kernel source? apt-get linux-source worked, but only gave me a tar.bzip2
[06:24] <tritium> EMan, use the ubuntu nvidia drivers instead
[06:24] <St0n3-C0l> tritium: well there's gaim available in the repos of hoary jus asking bout gnome-themes
[06:24] <bob2> EMan: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:24] <hybrid> tritium correct me if i am wrong but arent the nVidia drivers in synamptic
[06:24] <EMan> I apt-get'd them too, but when I set my xorg.conf to "nvidia" gnome fails to load
[06:24] <bob2> EMan: which is in the FAQ
[06:24] <tritium> St0n3-C0l, you asked about gaim-themes, and there are none
[06:24] <St0n3-C0l> ahan
[06:25] <tritium> EMan, did you attempt to look for the error in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[06:26] <hybrid> how much longer is hoary going to be bleeding edge i am starting to get bored with it. there is nothing to fix
[06:26] <tritium> hybrid, about one week
[06:26] <Flonne> You could always play with Kubuntu, hybrid.
[06:27] <hybrid> tritium yay what is next?
[06:27] <tritium> hybrid, Breezy
[06:27] <hybrid> Flonne what is Kubuntu
[06:27] <hybrid> tritium ok cool
[06:27] <newbie1> hi everyone
[06:27] <grumpysmurf> kubuntu is ubuntu w/ kde instead of gnome, or a group of kde packages installed on an existing ubuntu system.
[06:28] <synd> tritium: is there an easier way to set up the GNU thing? this seems overwhelming
[06:28] <underlord> join #css,#xhtml,#php
[06:28] <underlord> grrr
[06:28] <Roey> hybrid:  dude, my tablet doesn't work
[06:28] <hybrid> Roey why?
[06:28] <St0n3-C0l> gnome-themes is good ;)
[06:28] <Roey> hybrid:  LILO won't boot any amd64 kernels here
[06:28] <hybrid> i like gnome better than kde
[06:28] <Roey> hybrid:  you wanna see my problem list?
[06:28] <newbie1> is there any guide on how to set up an internet connection? i'm having some issues.
[06:28] <hybrid> ok
[06:29] <EMan> tritium, yes, hold on one second
[06:29] <Xira> hybrid, perhaps that's why you're using ubuntu and not kubuntu? :P
[06:29] <grumpysmurf> hybrid then kubuntu probably isn't for you :)
[06:29] <niran> newbie1: what kind of connection, and what issues?
[06:29] <hybrid> Xira sure is :P
[06:29] <nmsa> anyone can help me with: ieee1394: Error parsing configrom for node 0-01:1023 ieee1394: The root node is not cycle master capable; selecting a new root node and resetting...
[06:29] <hybrid> grumpysmurf no kde is too windows/mdk for me
[06:29] <newbie1> niran: it's a dsl connection, tried to set it up but got an error msg.
[06:30] <nmsa> even i have: ieee1394: Host added: ID:BUS[0-01:1023]   GUID[00004c0100000264] 
[06:30] <niran> newbie1: what was the message?
[06:30] <hybrid> Roey are you using hoary?
[06:30] <nmsa> I need it for kino ... anyone use kino ?
[06:30] <EMan> tritium, right now im in X (with nv driver).. if I try sudo modprobe nvidia it says the module is not found
[06:30] <niran> nmsa: are you using hoary?
[06:30] <Roey> hybrid:  yes
[06:30] <tritium> EMan, do you have linux-restricted-modules installed?
[06:30] <newbie1> niran: i didn't write it down, but when i tried to make the connection active the window froze
[06:30] <hybrid> Roey did it work under warty
[06:30] <nmsa> niran: yes
[06:31] <tritium> EMan, it has to match your kernel version exactly
[06:31] <niran> newbie1: try just creating the connection and leaving it inactive
[06:32] <EMan> tritium, ooooops, I updated my kernel earlier, hold on, let me get them.. I hope this is it
[06:32] <niran> newbie1: then from the command line type: "sudo ifup <interface name>"
[06:32] <EMan> tritium, modprobe worked, brb
[06:32] <newbie1> niran: stupid question, how do i get connected after that?
[06:32] <tritium> EMan, it's a good idea to get linux-686 (or whichever your architecture is)
[06:32] <niran> newbie1: the interface name should be something similar to eth0 or ppp0
[06:32] <hou5ton> good evening all
[06:32] <hybrid> hello
[06:33] <johnnybezak> how do you describe the seperation of style and content, for example with html and css
[06:33] <Roey> hybrid:  it didn't work as soon as I switched to kernel 2.6 last year.
[06:33] <tritium> hello hou5ton
[06:33] <klex_> the method to install java with apt from deb ftp://neacm.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu-java/ do not work in forefox... What can i do?
[06:33] <niran> nmsa: i haven't used firewire devices, so i don't know what the problem could be
[06:33] <newbie1> niran: yes, it's ppp0... so what do i do then?
[06:33] <niran> newbie1: sudo ifup ppp0
[06:33] <hybrid> Roey have you looked for other kernals
[06:33] <hou5ton> hello tritium
[06:33] <mawsh> my warty install seems corrupted. how many gig should i try, 1.8g may have been too small
[06:33] <newbie1> niran: as you can see i'm not kidding, i AM a newbie
[06:34] <tritium> klex_, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[06:34] <tritium> klex_, use Method 2
[06:34] <hou5ton> well ... i see that Johnny Cochran died, Terry Schiavo is still starving to death, and Jerry Falwell in is the hospital ..... i am soooooooooo confused
[06:34] <niran> newbie1: it's ok, you're not supposed to have to use the command line tools anyway
[06:34] <Roey> hybrid:  only the stock Ubuntu one, as of now
[06:34] <klex_> argh, then i have to uninstall the packages i just installed?
[06:34] <Roey> hou5ton:  and the Pope is in the hospital, too
[06:34] <grumpysmurf> mawsh you'll want at least 2G of space for ubuntu.  the default installation is 1.7 gigs.
[06:34] <hou5ton> Roey:  ya ... and I heard was getting a feeding tube ....
[06:34] <Roey> hou5ton:  they're still feeding the DC snipers
[06:34] <newbie1> niran: thank you!! i'll give that a try
[06:34] <hybrid> Roey: a different kernal or kernal mod may work
[06:35] <klex_> tritium: argh, then i have to uninstall the packages i just installed? :)
[06:35] <hybrid> but that is not my best area
[06:35] <mawsh> ok thanks, i gave / 1.8 g ...
[06:35] <Roey> hybrid:  I /msg'd daniel stone about it
[06:35] <hybrid> ok
[06:35] <Roey> hybrid:  seeing as to how he posted once to a question on an Ubuntu forum
[06:35] <tritium> klex_, I would recommend Method 2 above all others
[06:35] <Roey> hybrid:  hopefullyhe'sll answer...
[06:35] <hybrid> Roey well good luck man
[06:35] <geneo93> tritium:  got it to work
[06:35] <Roey> hybrid:   thanks :)
[06:35] <tritium> geneo93, which?
[06:36] <hybrid> np anytime even though i wasnt much help
[06:36] <klex_> tritium: i dont understand why they still have the solution that i just tryed when it not works....kind of waste :p
[06:36] <geneo93> nicotine tritium
[06:36] <hybrid> lol
[06:36] <tritium> geneo93, oh, okay.  Good job :)
[06:37] <EMan> tritium, Thanks, that was it
[06:38] <EMan> tritium, I feel like a moron :)
[06:38] <tritium> EMan, I'm glad that was all it was :)
[06:39] <EMan> tritium, me too... been using Ubuntu for 12 hours now, and I like it ;)
[06:39] <tritium> EMan, yay!
[06:41] <knucks> how do i exit X on ubuntu?
[06:42] <tritium> knucks, Ctrl-Alt-Backspace if nothing else works
[06:42] <Xira> knucks, system > logout or ctrl+alt+backspace if its being naughty?
[06:42] <elcu> any opengl programmers?  i'm having trouble installing mesa.
[06:42] <nmsa> kain: u there ?
[06:42] <knucks> ...
[06:42] <knucks> CtrlAltBackspace just restarts gnome for me
[06:42] <Xira> do you have autologin enabled?
[06:42] <knucks> no
[06:42] <knucks> i get to my splash screen
[06:42] <Xira> you mean the login, not gnome?
[06:42] <Xira> oh
[06:42] <Xira> well
[06:43] <terry97> ctl+alt+f2
[06:43] <Xira> yeah
[06:43] <tritium> or f1 - f6
[06:43] <grumpysmurf> erm, are my messages getting to the channel? O.o
[06:43] <tritium> nothing special about f2
[06:43] <tritium> grumpysmurf, yes
[06:43] <terry97> yes
[06:44] <grumpysmurf> k
 erm, are my messages getting to the channel? O.o
[06:44] <SiRrUs> good evening
[06:45] <tritium> good evening, SiRrUs
[06:45] <grumpysmurf> eyequeue thanks.
[06:45] <eyequeue> np
[06:47] <klex_> what module enables oss emulation?
[06:47] <crimsun> snd_pcm_oss
[06:47] <eyequeue> btw, why is x sometimes on vt10 lately rather than vt7?
[06:47] <klex_> thanks :)
[06:47] <crimsun> (it's auto-loaded with your alsa driver)
[06:50] <helloyo> anyone know of a screensaver like the mac os-x one that *slowly* zooms and scrolls an image?
[06:50] <Help1012> i need help, with gdesklets
[06:50] <Help1012> i get this error
[06:50] <Help1012> Traceback (most recent call last):
[06:50] <Help1012>   File "/usr/lib/gdesklets/factory/SensorFactory.py", line 86, in create_sensor
[06:50] <Help1012>     sensor = module.new_sensor(args)
[06:50] <Help1012>   File "./LTVCpu/__init__.py", line 71, in new_sensor
[06:50] <Help1012>   File "./LTVCpu/__init__.py", line 19, in __init__
[06:50] <Help1012> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'cpu'
[06:51] <chromate> hi i just installed ubuntu on my desktop, but for some reason sound is not working; i don't get any permission errors, XMMS thinks its playing, the device is not muted, volume is up etc... but no sound comes up. i am using a soundblaster audigy. even a cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp does not make any noise
[06:51] <tritium> chromate, did you setup the output to use esound?
[06:51] <geneo93> Sensor 'MSP3430G' not supported by xsensors!
[06:52] <tritium> anybody know if doko is working on python-gnome?
[06:53] <chromate> tritium: i'm not sure how to go about doing that
[06:53] <chromate> tritium: you mean in XMMS?
[06:53] <tritium> chromate, yes
[06:53] <chromate> no i had tried alsa and oss before; but just now i set it to esound, restarted it, and still no sound comes out
[06:53] <Help1012> i need gdesklets help
[06:54] <Help1012> i get a whole bunch of errors
[06:54] <Help1012> trying to run anything
[06:54] <crimsun> chromate: in a Terminal, execute alsaplayer and unmute the Analog/Digital toggle
[06:54] <crimsun> err s/alsaplayer/alsamixer/
[06:54] <crimsun> (audigys and sblives generally need not concern themselves with esd
[06:55] <Help1012> here is one error I get, when trying CornerXmms
[06:55] <Help1012> Traceback (most recent call last):
[06:55] <Help1012>   File "/usr/lib/gdesklets/factory/SensorFactory.py", line 42, in create_sensor
[06:55] <Help1012>     os.chdir(p)
[06:55] <Help1012> OSError: [Errno 2]  No such file or directory: '/usr/lib/gdesklets/../../share/gdesklets/Sensors'
[06:56] <chromate> crimsun: i don't see any analog/digital toggle and all the other meters appear to be unmuted and at full volume
[06:56] <crimsun> chromate: please paste ,,amixer'' output onto http://pastebin.com
[06:58] <chromate> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/264628
[06:59] <crimsun> chromate: it's the one marked Analog/Digital Output Jack
[06:59] <chromate> crimsun: how do i toggle it?
[06:59] <crimsun> press 'm' to unmute it
[06:59] <konstantinos> hello everyone - mind if I ask a question or two (well three, actually) concerning ubuntu? just installed it but there are some minor annoyances I haven't solved yet
[07:00] <tritium> konstantinos, please do
[07:00] <Xira> What's a good antivirus/rootkit tool?
[07:01] <elcu> Where can I find repositories that i can access through a browser to get individual packages?  (i.e. others like this: ftp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1/)
[07:01] <konstantinos> ok! *question 1*: I can't edit a track's properties in gnome's "music player". I right click the entry, choose "properties", and while I can select the text in the "artist", "album", "genre", etc. fields, I can't edit it. what's wrong here?
[07:01] <chromate> crimsun: thanks, i now hear static
[07:01] <tritium> konstantinos, you can't do that with rhythmbox.  You might try easytag for that.
[07:02] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:02] <da_bon_bon> wazup ?
[07:02] <konstantinos> ok, I've already found a thread in the forum about it. next...
[07:02] <konstantinos> *question 2* how do I set the default width & height of the nautilus windows? (they always come up short, and I have to use the scrollbars to navigate)
[07:02] <crimsun> konstantinos: no tag editing in that branch.
[07:02] <konstantinos> (crimsun, thanks!)
[07:03] <elcu> anyone?
[07:03] <chromate> crimsun: hrm, okay, even though i got some response from the speakers, i still can't play anything in xmms. i've tried alsa, oss, and esound plugins. but a cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp does produce some random noise
[07:04] <geneo93> tritium:  ok what do you know about sensors for msi 6321
[07:04] <tritium> elcu, you can browse them all
[07:04] <tritium> geneo93, nothing, sorry
[07:04] <phxguy> has anyone here installed superkaramba??? successfully
[07:04] <eyequeue> elcu:  http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[07:04] <CheeseBall> what is the max ram that ubuntu supports w/o configuring
[07:04] <geneo93> phxguy:  in mandrake 10.2 yes
[07:05] <phxguy> geneo93, were you using gnome or kde?? or does that even matter?
[07:05] <crimsun> chromate: your volumes seem set fairly low
[07:05] <Blue_Tek> Does any one no why my aMSN wont alow me to see other peoples Display picutures?
[07:05] <geneo93> ahh its a kde thing
[07:05] <Blue_Tek> or why mine wont stay static
[07:05] <elcu> thing is, i don't have a working net connection under linux, so i have to download the packages thru XP and then copy them over.
[07:05] <Xira> does Linux support iPods
[07:05] <zenrox> Blue_Tek, try gaim
[07:05] <Xira> ?
[07:06] <synd> is there any way to set Hoary (a command?) to auto update the repos. and installed packages like every few weeks or so?
[07:06] <zenrox> Xira, yes to a point
[07:06] <Blue_Tek> yeah i used gaim but i preffer aMSN
[07:06] <Xira> what are the limitations?
[07:06] <zenrox> Xira, dont know
[07:06] <Xira> lol
[07:06] <elcu> so downloading individual packages is basically the only way i can install stuff.
[07:06] <phxguy> geneo93, I was reading the faq's and stuff... seems like it will run in gnome but I get a error -> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[07:06] <Flonne> I've never had a problem with my G3, and I know someone who uses a G4, Xira.
[07:07] <phxguy> geneo93, wtf does that mean.... i get that everytime i try to ./configure something
[07:07] <zenrox> phxguy, you dont have a c++ compiler you need to do a sudo apt-get build-essential
[07:07] <eyequeue> phxguy:  guess: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[07:08] <Xira> k.
[07:08] <mink> is the xmms package by default not able to play mp3's?
[07:08] <geneo93> phxguy:  maybe you need build-esenstial
[07:08] <Xira> what are some good programs that do it?
[07:08] <CheeseBall> shouldnt
[07:08] <eyequeue> mink:  right,  http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[07:08] <konstantinos> mink this stuff is covered in the wiki section
[07:08] <CheeseBall> i use xmms
[07:08] <Help1012> how come I cannot work cornerxmms (gdesklet)
[07:08] <phxguy> geneo93, ok its installing 4 new packages now
[07:08] <CheeseBall> use spt-get to get it
[07:08] <mink> whyyyy would you guys do that &_&
[07:08] <CheeseBall> 8apt
[07:08] <eyequeue> non-free format
[07:08] <CheeseBall> *apt
[07:08] <Flonne> GTKPod is what I use, Xira.
[07:08] <CheeseBall> GTKPod?
[07:09] <tritium> mink, legal issues
[07:09] <Flonne> It's quite friendly and has a lot of features.
[07:09] <mink> Flonne :o
[07:09] <drquin> hello...I'm new to ubuntu and its been working like a beaty so far except for I get no sound what so ever
[07:09] <phxguy> hey Flonne I have a question for you then.... What kinda ipod do you have?
[07:09] <Flonne> 3G, as I said before, phxguy.
[07:09] <konstantinos> guys, any luck with my question? reposting it for reference's sake: *question 2* how do I set the default width & height of the nautilus windows? (they always come up short, and I have to use the scrollbars to navigate)
[07:09] <phxguy> ok sorry doidn't see that
[07:09] <phxguy> i have a shuffle and can't seem to get it to work
[07:10] <eyequeue> what is a shuffle?
[07:10] <Flonne> I'm not even sure what a Shuffle looks like.
[07:10] <drquin> and I've tried fixing it but getting nothing
[07:10] <phxguy> geneo93, apt get is done should i try a ./configure again?
[07:10] <zenrox> eyequeue,  thoes new mini pods
[07:10] <tritium> eyequeue, new small iPod
[07:10] <Flonne> iPod Mini?
[07:10] <eyequeue> ah, never saw the old ones even :)
[07:10] <CheeseBall> i just got a 20 gig one
[07:10] <wilbertoki> how can I tell if the driver I specified in xorg.conf is the actual driver being used by X?
[07:10] <geneo93> phxguy:  maybe i spell wrong
[07:10] <phxguy> there the ipods that r 99 bucks
[07:10] <Xira> rhythm box has an 'ipod' view
[07:10] <CheeseBall> yeah
[07:10] <Xira> neat.
[07:11] <wilbertoki> xira: can you delete the ipod from rythymbox
[07:11] <CheeseBall> but i cant ever get all my songs cached
[07:11] <phxguy> geneo93,  ???
[07:11] <CheeseBall> it stops halfway through a freezes
[07:11] <tritium> wilbertoki, you can grep for it in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:11] <Xira> wilbertoki, i dont see the option
[07:11] <wilbertoki> are there any open standard Ipod type music player
[07:11] <wilbertoki> xira: me eitehr
[07:11] <phxguy> i tried it Xira and it doesn't work with the shuffle for some reason
[07:11] <wilbertoki> tritium: thanks
[07:11] <geneo93> phxguy:  i'm getting it now to see if it works here
[07:11] <Xira> i have a 20 G4
[07:11] <phxguy> thanks geneo
[07:11] <elcu> i'm specifically tring to get mesa installed.
[07:11] <chromate> crimsun: everything is maximum, no luck, just static, even when nothing is playing, unless i mute
[07:12] <eyequeue> i thought that was mac hardware
[07:12] <konstantinos> seems I'm out of luck with question 2 then. I'm sure it's a config file somewhere, if only someone knew where..
[07:12] <Help1012> y cant anyone help with my gdesklet issue
[07:12] <eyequeue> konstantinos:  sorry
[07:13] <geneo93> phxguy:  its in repositories
[07:13] <crimsun> chromate: have you tried 1.0.8 via 'alsa-source' in the 'universe' repository?
[07:14] <tritium> Help1012, one of us would have to have some familiarity with it
[07:14] <phxguy> geneo93,  yes i already got it. you spelt it right before..... i meant earlier it was finished installing... Im trying to ./configure now seems ok so far
[07:14] <konstantinos> eyequeue - do you have any tips on it?
[07:14] <mink> would you all advise upgrading to alsa ?
[07:14] <Help1012> does anyone use corner xmms?
[07:15] <phxguy> dont know what that is Help1012 ? Is it a skin?
[07:15] <Blue_Tek> does any one here no why i cant see other peoples display pictures on aMSN
[07:15] <Dreamer3> 69mb more until hoary :)
[07:16] <eyequeue> konstantinos:  no, just google with the word config added
[07:16] <konstantinos> will do, thanks.
[07:16] <phxguy> geneo93, it failed again.....checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[07:16] <Help1012> phxguy, no its a remote/gedesklet which you can listen to songs off of desktop without opoening xmms
[07:16] <tritium> phxguy, what are you building?
[07:16] <konstantinos> *question 3* [most important question!]  my desktop is moved a bit off screen to the right. I cannot set it to the correct position using the monitor's buttons, because then my windows xp desktop gets off-screen. is there a utility that allows me to do this kind of tinkering? I seem to remember mandrake had something like this. help!
[07:16] <phxguy> geneo93, Guess i need kde for it to work
[07:16] <geneo93> cool
[07:16] <Help1012> i think I found it out
[07:17] <phxguy> konstantinos, I was trying to install superkaramba
[07:17] <niran> anyone know how to tell the usb driver to stop powering a port?
[07:17] <tritium> phxguy, you likely need libqt3-dev
[07:17] <phxguy> konstantinos, but i guess it doesn't work under gnome
[07:17] <Dreamer3> konstantinos: you could stop using windows :)
[07:17] <chromate> crimsun: no this is a fresh install, whatever was installed is what is being used (hoary)
[07:17] <Flonne> konstantinos, are you sure your Ubuntu and XP configs are running the same res?
[07:17] <Flonne> Or stop using Windows. That's a batter idea.
[07:17] <Dreamer3> konstantinos: or set both desktops to the same resolution/refresh rate
[07:17] <Flonne> better*
[07:17] <crimsun> phxguy: if you're using Hoary, why not just apt-get install superkaramba ?
[07:17] <konstantinos> flonne: yes 1280x1024 both - sorry, windows can't go
[07:18] <phxguy> crimsun, is it in the repositories???? I did not know that
[07:18] <crimsun> phxguy: in universe.
[07:18] <geneo93> superkaramba is just like konfabultor if anyone wants to try it
[07:18] <phxguy> kewl
[07:18] <Flonne> What does Konfabulator do, geneo93?
[07:18] <CheeseBall> whats that geneo93
[07:18] <konstantinos> no utility to fix my problem?
[07:18] <chromate> crimsun: and actually i'm looking at what is alerady installed, its 1.0.8-4ubuntu4
[07:19] <crimsun> chromate: no, that's alsa-base, not alsa-source
[07:19] <phxguy> crimsun, which do you think would be better in gnome thought? superkaramba or gdesklets?
[07:19] <geneo93> ahh small applets for desktop for monitoring diff things
[07:19] <EMan> How do I install a .deb file?
[07:19] <tritium> EMan, dpkg -i <file.deb>
[07:19] <crimsun> chromate: err, sorry, you could have it.
[07:19] <chromate> crimsun: ah. do i need to mark alsa-base for removal?
[07:19] <Dreamer3> EMan: dpkg -i
[07:19] <EMan> tritium, thanks
[07:19] <chromate> crimsun: no, alsa-source is not installed
[07:19] <phxguy> Konfabulator is superkaramba for windows
[07:19] <eyequeue> EMan:  sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[07:19] <crimsun> chromate: no, absolutely not.  Don't uninstall alsa-base.
[07:20] <geneo93> no for mac
[07:20] <CheeseBall> and that is?
[07:20] <chromate> crimsun: okay. what should i be hoping to do with the alsa-source package?
[07:20] <phxguy> geneo93, it work under windows also... I have it
[07:20] <crimsun> chromate: please enable the 'universe' repo, then update, then apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source
[07:20] <kinema> i just noticed that a lot of debs including some offical (non-universe) have Debian developers listed as their maintainers.  Are some (many?) of the packages in Ubuntu proper taken directly from the Debian package archive and used without modification?
[07:20] <geneo93> it was made for macs
[07:20] <crimsun> kinema: yes.
[07:20] <tritium> kinema, more or less
[07:21] <EMan> hmm, crap. I installed libmad and madplay, but Rythmbox still will not read mp3 files
[07:21] <eyequeue> many ubuntu devs are also debian devs, iirc
[07:22] <kinema> if i find a bug in such a package (i haven't) where do i report it, bugs.d.o?
[07:22] <CheeseBall> EMan, just use apt-get to install rythmbox
[07:22] <desrt> eyequeue; and gnome devs too
[07:22] <eyequeue> desrt:  true
[07:22] <bob2> kinema: the Maintainer field is usually the person in Debian in charge of it
[07:22] <tritium> EMan, did you get gstreamer0.8-mad ?
[07:23] <EMan> tritium, Can't find package, so I downloaded madplay manually
[07:23] <EMan> CheeseBall, it says im up to date
[07:23] <CheeseBall> hmmm
[07:23] <CheeseBall> dont know what to tell ya then, sry
[07:23] <chromate> crimsun: so those apt commands will rebuild my kernel modules?
[07:24] <klex_> hm cant get bluetooth to work on my laptop, any tip?
[07:24] <CheeseBall> EMan, did you check the unoffical ubuntu install guide
[07:24] <kinema> oh.  i was under the impression that packages in Ubuntu proper were maintained by Canonical employees.
[07:24] <EMan> CheeseBall, no, not an unoficial one
[07:24] <crimsun> chromate: you need to read the directions in /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian
[07:24] <CheeseBall> it linked off the docs at the ubuntu website
[07:24] <tritium> EMan, http://ubuntuguide.org/
[07:25] <CheeseBall> tells ya some useful things
[07:25] <chromate> crimsun: thanks
[07:25] <CheeseBall> helped me a ton
[07:25] <bob2> kinema: they are
[07:25] <bob2> kinema: but the maintainer field is not changed
[07:26] <EMan> tritium, Nothing there about Rhythmbox or mp3's :/
[07:26] <konstantinos> folks, do you think I'll have any luck posting questions 2 and 3 on the forum?
[07:26] <Xira> O
[07:26] <eyequeue> konstantinos:  i'd say there is a good chance
[07:26] <Dreamer3_> anyone have a mini-itx system?
[07:26] <Xira> I'll never fill my ipod.. my entire music library is only 2.6GB :/
[07:26] <tritium> EMan, http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[07:27] <CheeseBall> wow Xira, i filled my 20 gig with only 1/2 my collection
[07:27] <Xira> :x
[07:27] <tritium> EMan, also, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:27] <konstantinos> ok. before I go, one last question. do I have to do any manual settings before connecting to the Internet?
[07:27] <konstantinos> this was the problem with all my previous installations
[07:27] <CheeseBall> nope
[07:27] <konstantinos> I had to look up nameservers, etc.
[07:27] <CheeseBall> shouldnt
[07:27] <CheeseBall> i never had a problem
[07:27] <Xira> CheeseBall, i guess my taste in music is picky
[07:28] <eyequeue> konstantinos:  dhcp?
[07:28] <CheeseBall> hahaha
[07:28] <konstantinos> sorry?
[07:28] <eyequeue> konstantinos:  what connection?
[07:28] <EMan> tritium, trying second link, first link didn't allow me to run any commands (couldn't find packages)
[07:28] <konstantinos> isdn 64k
[07:28] <eyequeue> konstantinos:  dhcp should handle it, if your isp uses that
[07:29] <konstantinos> what is dhcp again?
[07:29] <eyequeue> dynamic host configuration protocol
[07:29] <konstantinos> so, there's nothing I should do on my part
[07:29] <eyequeue> if it uses pppoe, i have no experience
[07:30] <Xira> Resolving DNSes are slow, ergo slowing down my ubuntu connection... I remember fixing it in other distros by disabling ipv6 somthing.. anyone know what I'm talking about, and feel like telling me how to do it?
[07:30] <chromate> crimsun: in which package would the 'make-kpkg' command be found?
[07:30] <eyequeue> unless you have a static ip, one of those two is likely
[07:31] <crimsun> chromate: kernel-package, though you don't need to use that method.  It's cleaner to use the method in the very last step.
[07:31] <konstantinos> okay - thanks a lot for your help folks! i'm outta here, bye!
[07:31] <meng> any idea how to compile gaim with sound?
[07:31] <chromate> crimsun: ah, did not see that. thanks again.
[07:31] <crimsun> np
[07:31] <eyequeue> meng:  gaim here has sound
[07:32] <meng> i have libao-dev installed, but no sound
[07:32] <EMan> tritium, ahh, my Universe was not enabled, so I just enabled it
[07:32] <tritium> EMan, okay, cool :)
[07:32] <crimsun> meng: cat /etc/libao.conf
[07:33] <crimsun> meng: gaim in Hoary is compiled with libao support
[07:33] <meng> default_driver=alsa
[07:33] <chromate> crimsun: once the package is created, i can install it lie a normal package?
[07:33] <meng> no, i had gaim 1.2.0 compiled from source
[07:33] <crimsun> meng: echo "default_driver=esd" > ~/.libao
[07:34] <meng> then?
[07:34] <crimsun> meng: checked ./configure --help /
[07:34] <crimsun> meng: .libao assumes you're using Ubuntu packages
[07:35] <meng> what to look for in the help?
[07:35] <GhostFreeman> Hoary in how many days?
[07:35] <crimsun> GhostFreeman: 8 April, 2005.
[07:35] <GhostFreeman> thanks
[07:35] <eyequeue> 8 april
[07:36] <Roey> It's Freeman!
[07:36] <Roey> save us, Freeman!
[07:36] <GhostFreeman> not today
[07:36] <phxguy> geneo93, seems that superkaramba works pretty good in gnome....
[07:38] <desrt> does anyone know when ubuntu is getting new dbus/hal?
[07:38] <GhostFreeman> whats the big features of Hoary
[07:38] <meng> i still can't compile gaim with sound
[07:38] <eyequeue> gnome 2.10
[07:38] <Roey> athlon64, kde 3.4.0
[07:38] <desrt> i'm using hoary.  it still has the old ones.
[07:38] <GhostFreeman> anything else?
[07:38] <Roey> kde 3.4.0? :)
[07:38] <Roey> (the kubuntu packages provide that)
[07:38] <geneo93> well it says kde on site
[07:39] <Dreamer3_> ok, now for memory
[07:39] <eyequeue> firefox 1.0.2
[07:39] <phxguy> desrt hal was updated today
[07:39] <phxguy> Accepted hal 0.4.7-1ubuntu14 (source) (Martin Pitt
[07:39] <Roey> desrt:  are you desrt as in desert, or dessert? or like a woman's name, Deseret?
[07:39] <desrt> oldschool
[07:39] <desrt> roey; desrt
[07:39] <Roey> or desert rat?
[07:39] <Roey> ah
[07:39] <geneo93> kde desktop to be exact
[07:40] <eyequeue> GhostFreeman:  and of course xorg
[07:40] <synd> hmm
[07:41] <kinema> "only" 2.5 hours left installing kubuntu via dial-up, what could be better?
[07:41] <hgoesm> ca somebody tell me which prog i can use to extract rar files under ubuntu?
[07:41] <elmaya> rar
[07:41] <smouche> Why does synaptic want to remove kubuntu-desktop if I mark open office for complete removal?
[07:41] <elmaya> unrar
[07:41] <eyequeue> unrar is in universe i think
[07:42] <JDahl> hgoesm, unrar-nonfree
[07:42] <eyequeue> smouche:  dependencies
[07:42] <hgoesm> ok thx
[07:42] <GhostFreeman> is xorg an extension of X11?
[07:42] <smouche> and btw, do I need to remove open office's old version if upgrading to open office 2 (universe)
[07:42] <elmaya> cuz kde sucks..and oo too
[07:42] <synd> is there any way to set Hoary (a command?) to auto update the repos. and installed packages like every few weeks or so?
[07:42] <chromate> crimsun: no luck after all that
[07:42] <JDahl> elmaya, nice try...
[07:42] <eyequeue> smouche: it's only a metapackage anyway
[07:42] <crimsun> chromate: what version does /proc/asound/version display?
[07:43] <kinema> smouche: kde and the rest of kubuntu will still be installed
[07:43] <geneo93> smouche:  it will because its part of it
[07:43] <synd> anyone know?
[07:43] <smouche> thank you all!
[07:43] <eyequeue> GhostFreeman: xfree86 went to an evil license, xorg is the response
[07:43] <geneo93> thats why i only installed kde
[07:43] <GhostFreeman> what license?
[07:43] <GhostFreeman> let me guess...bsd?
[07:44] <eyequeue> GhostFreeman: noo, something nonfree
[07:44] <kinema> eyequeue it's more then just the license.  xfree's dev process was rather facist
[07:44] <GhostFreeman> *shock*
[07:44] <Flonne> Not quit non-free, but quite far from copyleft.
[07:44] <Flonne> quite*
[07:44] <kinema> GhostFreeman it had an advertising clause
[07:44] <eyequeue> kinema:  thanks, i wsn't aware
[07:44] <kinema> GhostFreeman such clauses are not gpl compatible
[07:44] <GhostFreeman> will this mean my ATI drivers will no longer work?
[07:44] <phxguy> synd, open softweare update windows and click on preferences then settings
[07:45] <zenrox> GhostFreeman,  no ati drivers will work with xorg
[07:45] <GhostFreeman> ok, good
[07:45] <kinema> GhostFreeman not the ATI binary drivers afiak
[07:45] <Flonne> zenrox, did you forget a comma?
[07:45] <zenrox> Flonne, yep
[07:45] <GhostFreeman> Why is it good open source software becomes elitist?
[07:45] <synd> phx: wheres that at?
[07:46] <crimsun> GhostFreeman: humans.
[07:46] <synd> phxguy: wheres that at?
[07:46] <zenrox> yep
[07:46] <eyequeue> GhostFreeman: humans sometimes become idiots
[07:46] <kinema> GhostFreeman ATI hasn't yet released drivers for xorg.
[07:46] <crimsun> kinema: (they have)
[07:46] <GhostFreeman> are they in synaptic yet?
[07:46] <kinema> my mistake
[07:46] <crimsun> GhostFreeman: in Hoary, yes.
[07:47] <phxguy> synd, system -->admin --> ubuntu update manager
[07:47] <GhostFreeman> so when I upgrade, I can grab the new drivers with Synaptic
[07:47] <Flonne> Have they released 64-bit drivers?
[07:47] <crimsun> Flonne: (yes)
[07:47] <eyequeue> GhostFreeman: i think you need the restricted repo too
[07:47] <smouche> When you say ati drivers don't work with xorg, do you mean just the ubuntu drivers, or that ati cards aren't supported at all?  I've got kubunut running on an ati machine, it's fine with default install...
[07:47] <chromate> crimsun: 1.0.8 and kernel 2.6.10-2-.386
[07:47] <synd> phxguy: thanks!
[07:48] <jclinton> Hello.... I was about to download Ubuntu install CD but I see that final is due out tomorrow on the release schedule. Anyone know if it's on schedule?
[07:48] <zenrox> jclinton,  it dont come out till the 6th
[07:48] <Flonne> RC1 is due out tomorrow, AFAIK.
[07:48] <smouche> tomorrow? wow -- I thought it was a week awqy
[07:48] <eyequeue> jclinton:  the release candidate is tomorrow, final is 8 april
[07:48] <jroes> hi
[07:48] <Flonne> Hi.
[07:49] <jroes> I think I selected the firewalling thing when I setup ubuntu originally
[07:49] <GhostFreeman> just remind me when I install Hoary to update my ATI drivers
[07:49] <phxguy> jclinton, Last i heard it isn't due out till around the 16th where did you c it was out tomorrow?
[07:49] <jroes> I want to open some more ports so I can send files via AIM
[07:49] <elcu> I've worded my problem out a little better: http://www.techimo.com/forum/t138803.html
[07:49] <crimsun> chromate: hmm, ok.  Then there are other issues.  Try looking on http://alsa.opensrc.org momentarily.
[07:49] <synd> i just updated to Hoary and now my cd player seems to skip a bit.. I'm certain that it's not the CD..
[07:49] <elcu> Could anyone help me with this?
[07:49] <jclinton> i'll get the URL just a sec
[07:49] <eyequeue> phxguy:  8th
[07:49] <kinema> jclinton you can always download the CD, install, then update when the final is release
[07:49] <hgoesm> an is there a gui prog for rar
[07:49] <jroes> is there any way I can turn off the firewal rules or loosen them up a bit?
[07:49] <phxguy> super!!! thats even better if it is so
[07:49] <chromate> crimsun: i've historically had problems using ALSA with my sound card on this computer, with other distros. I usually just use OSS.
[07:49] <crimsun> ubuntu ships with no firewall rules enabled.
[07:50] <jroes> oh
[07:50] <crimsun> chromate: perhaps irq issues?
[07:50] <synd> anyone have an idea about my cd player skipping?
[07:50] <jroes> gaim and aim are compatible as far as file transfers are concerned, right?
[07:50] <zenrox> jroes,
[07:50] <jclinton> Ah yes, I see it's an RC tomorrow : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[07:50] <zenrox> yep
[07:50] <jroes> weord
[07:50] <jroes> weird*
[07:50] <synd> jroes: i have a bit of problems doing direct connect
[07:50] <jroes> I have no firewall rules, and I'm using gaim and my friend with aim can't send me anything, weird
[07:50] <meng> anywhere to get the latest gaim .deb packs for ubuntu
[07:50] <zenrox> jroes, yep gaim will allso do icq msn yahoo file transvers
[07:50] <synd> from gaim
[07:51] <synd> men: apt-get
[07:51] <synd> meng: apt-get
[07:51] <GhostFreeman> I am looking forward to Hoary
[07:51] <GhostFreeman> hopefully the new ATI drivers will allow me to play Doom 3 without crashing
[07:51] <zenrox> GhostFreeman,  i am using horay right now
[07:51] <meng> i meant for gaim 1.2.0
[07:51] <synd> meng: sudo apt-get install gaim
[07:51] <synd> meng: yes, from the gaim site
[07:51] <jclinton> Does anyone know if the RC tomorrow will have the new d-i RC3 included?
[07:52] <meng> that means compiling from source
[07:52] <synd> you have to get the gaim.package, meng
[07:52] <chromate> crimsun: lspci seems to show the audiy correctly
[07:52] <eyequeue> meng:  hoary also has gaim-encryption, which i recommend
[07:52] <synd> meng: gaim 1.2.0 isnt avail from the repos. yet
[07:52] <GhostFreeman> encrypting AIM convos is a must now that AOL has been foiled
[07:53] <meng> all of my mates uses the windows client of their respective networks
[07:53] <meng> so encyrption won't owrk
[07:53] <synd> GhostFreeman: apt-get gaim-encryption?
[07:53] <eyequeue> meng:  gaim is available even for ms platforms
[07:53] <GhostFreeman> doesn't that allow you to encrypt convos?
[07:53] <meng> yes, i am using that too
[07:54] <meng> is just most of the people i know uses trillian
[07:54] <synd> gaim is so much better than AIM on windows
[07:54] <meng> or the default client
[07:54] <meng> i just wish i can send winks through gaim
[07:54] <eyequeue> winks?
[07:55] <meng> or some of the cool stuff in MSN 7
[07:55] <synd> anyone have an idea why my CD Player is skipping and the song elapsed time is counitng by 2s
[07:55] <meng> those animated things that people send each other
[07:55] <eyequeue> no clue what those would be, sorry
[07:55] <synd> it worked fine in warty, but not in my recently upgraded hoary
[07:55] <PenisBot> can I apt-get pyXMMS-1.06
[07:55] <synd> PenisBot: you can always try
[07:56] <synd> PenisBot: is that pymusique?
[07:56] <e_machinist> sudo apt-get install pyXMMS-1.06 maybe?
[07:56] <PenisBot> i tried, but would I use a different name or file name
[07:56] <Flonne> apt-cache search pyxmms
[07:56] <geneo93> ;)
[07:56] <PenisBot> synd, no I need it for corner xmms (gdesklet)
 have u seen MSN messenger 7 beta?
[07:57] <PenisBot> Flonne, what does that do
[07:57] <PenisBot> well, anyways, here is the error I get wihtout pyxmms
[07:57] <PenisBot> Traceback (most recent call last):
[07:57] <PenisBot>   File "/usr/lib/gdesklets/factory/SensorFactory.py", line 42, in create_sensor
[07:57] <PenisBot>     os.chdir(p)
[07:57] <PenisBot> OSError: [Errno 2]  No such file or directory: '/usr/lib/gdesklets/../../share/gdesklets/Sensors'
[07:57] <eyequeue> meng:  sounds like a windows app, no
[07:57] <Flonne> It will search all known packages for names containing that string.
[07:57] <Flonne> Install the one that matches best.
[07:57] <PenisBot> Flonne, aight, I think i need 2-3 of em
[07:57] <synd> anyone have an idea why my CD Player is skipping and the song elapsed time is counitng by 2s
[07:58] <meng> how to get video gaim installed anyway?
[07:58] <e_machinist> synd... you have DMA mode activated on the drive?
[07:58] <eyequeue> meng:  gaim-vv is not in the repos, but apparently on sourceforge
[07:58] <synd> e_machinist: no clue, how do i check?
[07:58] <PenisBot> Flonne, you are my hero, thx
[07:58] <meng> ouch, more compile owrk
[07:59] <e_machinist> sudo hdparam /etc/drivename
[07:59] <e_machinist> or /media/drivename.
[07:59] <e_machinist> whatever works for you.
[07:59] <synd> e_machinist: it worked with warty earlier, I just upped to hoary and i noticed that
[07:59] <e_machinist> haha.
[07:59] <eyequeue> meng:  build the deb and put it up for others?
[07:59] <meng> i tried making the .deb for gaim 1.2.0, and it failed miserably
[08:00] <bur[n] er> aww
[08:00] <bur[n] er> that's too bad
[08:00] <synd> e_machinist: sudo hdparam isnt a command?
[08:00] <ironwolf> does anyone have gallery running under hoary successfully?
[08:00] <bur[n] er> gaim comes with autopackage things now, why make a deb :)
[08:00] <Flonne> hdparm*
[08:00] <e_machinist> parm* sorry.
[08:00] <syn-ack> synd: its hdparm
[08:00] <synd> Flonne: thanks
[08:00] <eyequeue> bur[n] er:  to void subverting the package management system
[08:00] <synd> syn-ack, e_machinist: thanks
[08:00] <e_machinist> Look at flonne taking advantage of my typos.
[08:00] <crimsun> chromate: good.  And is it sharing an irq?
[08:00] <e_machinist> heh.
[08:01] <crimsun> chromate: what does lsmod|grep ^emu10k1  display?
[08:01] <chromate> crimsun: no, it has its own
[08:01] <Flonne> Tab-completion is good. =P
[08:01] <meng> is even autopackage availible in the repos?
[08:01] <crimsun> meng: not that I'm aware
[08:01] <e_machinist> Tab completion is icky sometimes.
[08:01] <GhostFreeman> hopefully there will be some Hoary user guides up
[08:01] <GhostFreeman> :D
[08:01] <meng> so using a deb is needed
[08:02] <chromate> crimsun: emu10k1_gp
[08:02] <e_machinist> Yah, it seems like there are a lot of people needing help with Hoary....
[08:02] <synd> e_machinist: should I have DMA mode activated?
[08:02] <meng> i ask for a full fglrx guide
[08:02] <e_machinist> DMA mode should be set to on synd.
[08:02] <Flonne> I'm sure they'll be available in time, GhostFreeman.
[08:02] <synd> e_machinist: how do i set it to on
[08:02] <chromate> crimsun: there is also a snd_emu10k1 loaded, which i'm assuming is the alsa wrapper module
[08:02] <synd> : /
[08:02] <GhostFreeman> ok
[08:02] <e_machinist> Is it set to off right now synd?
[08:02] <GhostFreeman> good, I hope they tell me how to install ATI Drivers ^_^;
[08:02] <synd> eys
[08:03] <chromate> crimsun: gp is the gameport; should the emu10k1 module itself also be loaded?
[08:03] <synd> yes
[08:03] <Levander> does firefox's self-updating feature work in hoary?
[08:03] <elcu> http://www.techimo.com/forum/t138803.html  Could someone give me a hand with this?
[08:03] <eyequeue> GhostFreeman:  you could start writing one now on the wiki, for use after the 8th?
[08:03] <syn-ack> GhostFreeman: those are "fun" to install
[08:03] <Flonne> Don't howtos already exist to address that issue, GhostFreeman?
[08:03] <e_machinist> aww, that stupid hoary. haha. Keeps messing up peoples DMA mode.
[08:03] <eyequeue> Levander:  i would hope not
[08:03] <synd> BOO hoary!
[08:03] <syn-ack> e_machinist: Hasnt messed mine up
[08:03] <meng> i can't even make the kernel module too
[08:04] <synd> hah.
[08:04] <e_machinist> There is a really good DMA mode topic on the ubuntu forums synd.
[08:04] <eyequeue> Levander:  the package should be upgraded by root, not each individual user
[08:04] <Levander> eyequeue: why would u hope not?  is that works, don't have to wait for ubuntu releases to have latest stuff, and still be integrated w ubuntu
[08:04] <GhostFreeman> i'm sure they do
[08:04] <Levander> eyequeue: u could set up firefox's upgrade feature so it can only be used by root
[08:04] <GhostFreeman> I actually have a How to install Ubuntu guide up on my forums
[08:04] <GhostFreeman> I'm a nerd
[08:04] <eyequeue> Levander:  why would i want every user to hve her own copy of something as large as firefox in their $HOME ?
[08:05] <Levander> eyequeue: they wouldn't
[08:05] <synd> e_machinist: does DMA affect DVD playback?
[08:05] <tritium> synd, yes
[08:05] <e_machinist> DMA affects the transfer speeds on ANY of your drives.
[08:05] <krash3x> does anyone know the command to get flashplayer
[08:05] <Levander> eyequeue: but that's not what the firefox upgrade feature does
[08:05] <e_machinist> They should all have DMA mode on, otherwise your transfer speeds will be severely limited.
[08:05] <e_machinist> Hard drives too.
[08:05] <meng> izzit apt-get -install flashplayer?
[08:05] <eyequeue> Levander:  users shouldn't have write access to the requisite dirs, nor is subverting the packge management system something i'd want
[08:05] <tritium> krash3x, sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[08:06] <Levander> eyequeue: don't have to subvert either of those things
[08:06] <tritium> krash3x, it's in multiverse
[08:06] <eyequeue> Levander:  it doesn't bypass dpkg?
[08:06] <Levander> the upgrade puts it's files in the same place every time, could just tell dpkg the directory those files are in
[08:07] <eyequeue> Levander:  that wouldn't update the md5sums, etc
[08:07] <synd> e_machinist: eh, is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20541 the forum?
[08:07] <Levander> who cares, you'd get all the security updates which the vast majority of users care about than the md5sums
[08:08] <synd> thread i mean
[08:08] <eyequeue> Levander: i still don't like the concept of non-root making system-wide changes either
[08:08] <crimsun> chromate: snd_emu10k1 is indeed the correct module if you have an audigy or an audigy2 (_not_ audigy ls or audigy2 zs or sblive 24-bit/7.1)
[08:08] <eyequeue> Levander:  who CARES?? are you serious?
[08:08] <Levander> eyequeue: already told you, could make it so that root has to do the upgrade
[08:08] <chromate> crimsun: i do have an audigy
[08:08] <Levander> eyequeue: most users gonna care a lot more about the security upgrades than the md5sums
[08:08] <eyequeue> Levander:  root (on this box at lest) would have no desire to break the box
[08:09] <Levander> eyequeue: of course not
[08:09] <eyequeue> Levander:  perhaps you should research the implications of what you suggest
[08:09] <Levander> eyequeue: perhaps i already have
[08:10] <eyequeue> Levander:  your comments don't indicate that
[08:11] <e_machinist> alright... I downloaded a .deb file.... how to I install it?
[08:11] <deFrysk> dpkg -i
[08:11] <eyequeue> e_machinist:  sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[08:11] <deFrysk> sudo
[08:12] <synd> e_machinist: eh, is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20541 the thread?
[08:13] <Zevin> hey flonne
[08:13] <Flonne> Hi.
[08:13] <Flonne> Any luck?
[08:14] <ubuntu> interesting...
[08:14] <Zevin> well
[08:14] <Zevin> found some people with the same problem
[08:14] <desrt> ubuntu; we created a channel dedicated to you!
[08:15] <meng> isn't this an ubuntu channel
[08:15] <noobuntu> i like it so far - using the preview (5.x i think?)
[08:15] <desrt> 5.4
[08:15] <Flonne> 5.04, Hoary.
[08:15] <desrt> there is no .x.  only .4 and .10 :)
[08:15] <noobuntu> so you guys gonna be the userlinux desktop or what?  :-)
[08:16] <topyli> noobuntu: userlinux is still alive?
[08:16] <noobuntu> sure.
[08:16] <topyli> or you mean in general?
[08:16] <topyli> great!
[08:17] <eyequeue> an invitation was extended to bruce, i do not know if he has chosen to reply yet or not
[08:17] <Zevin> i think ubuntu could totally be the desktop linux
[08:17] <Flonne> That's one distro I never used. What was special about it, topyli?
[08:17] <eyequeue> he is most likely the best person to decide what direction that project should take
[08:17] <topyli> Flonne: i haven't tried it either. they have a great concept though
[08:17] <Flonne> I think Ubuntu has the potential to reach more casual users, too, Zevin.
[08:17] <noobuntu> userlinux isn't a distro
[08:17] <Zevin> flonne, seems the only true cure for now till new xFree86 drivers are released, is to use 6111
[08:18] <noobuntu> per se
[08:18] <topyli> noobuntu: true, strictly speaking
[08:18] <Flonne> Ah... You have a card that falls into that category.
[08:18] <topyli> more of a service
[08:18] <Zevin> yeah, least, from what i can find just from google
[08:18] <noobuntu> they aim to businessify debian
[08:18] <Flonne> Some Gentoo users said the 7xxx drivers helped, and some said they didn't.
[08:19] <topyli> noobuntu: yeah, without non-freeing it too much :)
[08:19] <noobuntu> or at all
[08:20] <noobuntu> select a subset of packages that they'll support, fix up debian where it's lacking, provide certifications, common marketing materials - basically it provides the infrastructure that assures a prospective linux customer that there will be multiple-ISV support for userlinux
[08:21] <noobuntu> but what's holding them up now is the debian release cycle  :-)
[08:21] <Zevin> yeah
[08:21] <noobuntu> so ubuntu looks like an interesting solution
[08:21] <e_machinist> man... using a debian based distro you have to get really familiar with the dpkg tool.
[08:21] <e_machinist> heh.
[08:22] <topyli> noobuntu: makes me wonder though if they're a bit late now. with the free ubuntu and all those non-free "debians" around...
[08:22] <noobuntu> i'm pretty sure that userlinux intends to remain completely free
[08:22] <noobuntu> er, Free
[08:22] <topyli> heh. not FREE :)
[08:23] <noobuntu> not "FREE WHILE SUPPLIES LAST!!!" free
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> Fr33
[08:23] <topyli> i wonder why they always have to capitalize free when they mean non-free :)
[08:23] <noobuntu> it's the exclamation points
[08:23] <Flonne> !Free!?
[08:23] <Zevin> i'm an experienced pc user, used linux once or twice before. i was able to install unbuntu in a dual boot enviroment, and activate my wifi card with minimal effort. it has everything a basic user needs.
[08:24] <noobuntu> although !Free == not Free
[08:24] <meng> but having to install alot of side stuff can freak newbies out
[08:24] <Flonne> !!Free!, then?
[08:24] <Zevin> i mean, synaptic alone makes linux 10 times esier to use
[08:24] <syn-ack> Zevin: Whats wrong with apt?
[08:24] <noobuntu> Zevin, the only catch i had was that eth0 wasn't activated.  i went into networking GUI and turned it on though, no problem
[08:24] <synd> syn-ack: how do i get spt?
[08:25] <deFrysk> windows is installing side stuff automaticly (freaky)
[08:25] <syn-ack> I use that over Synaptic any day
[08:25] <syn-ack> synd: Come again?
[08:25] <synd> apt* i mean
[08:25] <syn-ack> synd: its already installed.
[08:25] <synd> is that the apt-get thing?
[08:25] <noobuntu> deFrysk, like what
[08:25] <topyli> Zevin: synaptic makes newbies feel more at "home". clicking is so soothing. :) otherwise of course it doesn't offer much
[08:25] <Flonne> Yes/
[08:25] <syn-ack> synd: it HAS to be installed. Synaptic is a frontend to apt
[08:26] <deFrysk> noobuntu, err spyware ?
[08:26] <noobuntu> windows is like a bad dream fading into my past
[08:26] <syn-ack> synd, rather.
[08:26] <Zevin> thats what i mean
[08:26] <syn-ack> Zevin: Sorry about that.
[08:26] <Roey> noobuntu:  :)
[08:26] <Roey> awesome
[08:26] <Flonne> I haven't had to experience Windows at all for three years. :)
[08:26] <noobuntu> i hopw i live long enough to piss on microsoft's grave
[08:26] <Roey> noobuntu:  lucky for you, you don't have to administer this crap
[08:26] <noobuntu> Flonne, i'm around three years myself  :)
[08:26] <Zevin> i feel like, i could install ubuntu on my grandmother's pc, and she could do her day-to-day stuff and never know the difference excpet the absense of viruses and spy-ware
[08:27] <syn-ack> noobuntu: I still have windows installed on my 40 gig drive.
[08:27] <synd> syn-ack: you oughta get rid of that :p
[08:27] <niran> did anyone's fonts break with the latest updates?
[08:27] <Flonne> My mom's system has been running Debian for two.
[08:27] <niran> none of my windows fonts work now
[08:27] <syn-ack> synd: I cant. I do work with windows.
[08:27] <noobuntu> Roey, i have a couple servers to administer but they're dedicated application boxes, and a legacy ms-sql server box that i'm in the process of migrating to postgresql
[08:27] <eyequeue> Zevin:  i've done a successful install for a greatgrandmother who is now thrilled with ubuntu
[08:27] <noobuntu> (couple windows servers that is)
[08:27] <synd> syn-ack: i see.
[08:28] <firstknight> Hi, I try to install grub from knoppix live cd..... after chrooting into Linux system, #grub-install /dev/hda or #grub-install /dev/hdb give me blablabla does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. What should I do?
[08:28] <Zevin> nice eyequeue!
[08:28] <Roey> noobuntu:  luck you :)
[08:28] <syn-ack> synd: I have windows on the 40 gig pATA drive and Ubuntu on my 120 gig sATA drive.
[08:28] <Roey> noobuntu:  we have all these MS infested POSes
[08:28] <topyli> niran: my arial and others seem to work
[08:28] <bob2> firstknight: does using the devfs name help?
[08:28] <noobuntu> this desktop really looks polished
[08:28] <Roey> noobuntu:  for some reason the boss decided he wants *only* SMS and *only* MS CRM
[08:29] <Flonne> Run the grub installer manually, firstknight. I can walk you through it if a PM is acceptable.
[08:29] <niran> topyli: hmm... mine doesn't
[08:29] <cowbud> any gdesklet users know if there is an easy way of removing the gdesklets manager icon from the notification area (Or do I have to remove it from the actual code? )
[08:29] <Roey> noobuntu:  I mean, it's bad enough we were instructed to use w2k3 for file sharing.
[08:29] <Burgundavia> Roey: PHBs get sold the MS line easily
[08:29] <synd> syn-ack: oh, I see. when I get ubuntu to recognize my wireless card, im gonna do away with windows for now
[08:29] <noobuntu> Roey, we're getting merged with our parent organization and they're heavy microsoft - i'm thinking of looking for another job if i have to go back to windows-land
[08:29] <syn-ack> synd: what card?
[08:29] <Roey> Burgundavia:  I didn't know how pervasive it was until I entered the workforce a coupla years ago
[08:29] <Roey> noobuntu:  look at it as a learning experience
[08:29] <Burgundavia> Roey: I just a left a job like that
[08:30] <Roey> noobuntu:  you'll be more marketable
[08:30] <synd> syn-ack: D-Link DWL-510 802.11g PCI card
[08:30] <Roey> Burgundavia:  ah.. you chose to leave that job because it was too much windows?
[08:30] <noobuntu> Roey, what do you mean?
[08:30] <noobuntu> stay and work with windows?
[08:30] <syn-ack> synd: HAH. I have a DWL520 in my desktop here.
[08:30] <Zevin> hey synd?
[08:30] <Roey> noobuntu:  "with windows skills you open yourself up to a huge part of the market for windows admins"
[08:30] <Flonne> I've refused to take a job because they enforced Windows and .Net.
[08:30] <geneo93> freenode is going down in 1/2 hour
[08:30] <Zevin> you have the install disk for it?
[08:30] <Roey> noobuntu:  that's what my boss told me
[08:30] <synd> syn-ack: really? what chipset does that have?
[08:30] <Roey> Flonne:  .net the lnaugage?
[08:30] <firstknight> bob2: how do I do that?
[08:31] <Roey> Flonne:  the dev environment?
[08:31] <Flonne> The platform...
[08:31] <geneo93> at least my hub
[08:31] <syn-ack> synd: Atheros
[08:31] <syn-ack> synd: It uses the ath_pci driver
[08:31] <firstknight> Flonne, you mean: grub then root (hd1,0) then setup (hd1) ?
[08:31] <topyli> noobuntu: windows shops need more admins. so your job is safer there :)
[08:31] <Flonne> Something like that.
[08:31] <eyequeue> it's certainly burping in 1/2 hour
[08:31] <noobuntu> topyli, actually i would consider a career change entirely
[08:31] <noobuntu> i really loathe windows
[08:31] <Flonne> Thought setup (hd1) won't really help unless your BIOS is configured to boot from the slave.
[08:31] <Roey> Flonne:  I don't get what MS' ".net platform" is all about.  It's a language? ok.  It's a CLR?  ok... it's a common set of libs? ok... so how hard is it to install this thing on yoru enterprise? what does it mean to install it on the enterprise -- that all computers have the .net libs installed?
[08:32] <Flonne> -t
[08:32] <Zevin> my internet has been "burping" for the last 2 days
[08:32] <synd> syn-ack: ahh.. man. I found out that D-Link made a "Rev. B" to the DWL 510 and the difference was that it had an Atheros chipset instead, i was upset
[08:32] <Roey> noobuntu:  me too.
[08:32] <eyequeue> why would anyone choose to work in a setting that is harmful to their mental health?
[08:32] <synd> syn-ack: i, unfortunately, bought the other one.
[08:32] <St0n3-C0l> whats the site of marillat ?
[08:32] <topyli> noobuntu: welcome to the lucrative business of academic research :/
[08:32] <synd> St0n3-C0l: google it
[08:32] <firstknight> Flonne, if that does not work, what is your suggestion????
[08:32] <topyli> noobuntu: you can use what you want
[08:32] <Roey> eyequeue:  I take it as a learning experience
[08:32] <noobuntu> eyequeue, it's also frustrating to work with people who don't appreciate technology
[08:33] <synd> St0n3-C0l: http://debian.video.free.fr/
[08:33] <geneo93> eyequeue:  i worked with windows for 8 years and i'm nuts now
[08:33] <synd> i think.
[08:33] <syn-ack> noobuntu: heh, I had to do a deployment for Dell, migrating them from NT $ WS to XP... Needless to say the frikin' migration tools didnt work and I had to do a LOT of it by hand
[08:33] <dazed> how come my NFS files dont show up under "network:///" ? anyone know ???
[08:33] <syn-ack> NT4, that is
[08:33] <Roey> eyequeue:  I don't want to be narrowminded just because something is out of my comfort zone
[08:33] <Roey> eyequeue:  I mean, being challenged is how i learn (personally)
[08:33] <Roey> eyequeue:  but that said, I really do dislike windows
[08:33] <noobuntu> syn-ack, luckily we have a guy to handle the workstation stuff for a couple years now so i don't have to touch them unless he has problems  :-)
[08:33] <St0n3-C0l> Yes Thanks
[08:33] <St0n3-C0l> :)
[08:33] <synd> geneo93: i've been using windows since win 3.1...
[08:33] <Roey> eyequeue:  even though like certain aspects of it
[08:34] <synd> geneo93: made the switch to OSX about a year ago
[08:34] <syn-ack> noobuntu: heh.
[08:34] <geneo93> synd:  not using admin
[08:34] <eyequeue> Roey:  those sme arguments seem to be applicable to chief torturer or such, heh, no insult intended
[08:34] <noobuntu> synd: i just got back from a friend's house this weekend where i tried OSX for the first time - kind of nice
[08:34] <syn-ack> synd: Ive used damn near every version of windows too.
[08:34] <syn-ack> heh
[08:34] <Roey> eyequeue:   :)
[08:34] <syn-ack> noobuntu: OS X is the rox0rz
[08:35] <Burgundavia> Roey: yes ot leaving the job due to windows
[08:35] <synd> syn-ack: what would you say was the worse one? (as if they all werent bad) I vote WinME. GOD that was awful.
[08:35] <syn-ack> topyli: not missing much
[08:35] <noobuntu> my OSX friend is interested in linux though so i pointed him at a ubuntu livecd - actually that's the main reason i tried it - i use stock debian on my desktop (for now :-) )
[08:35] <topyli> so i hear
[08:35] <syn-ack> synd: ME is buggier than a 10 $ whore
[08:35] <synd> noobuntu: I love OSX, it's by far my fav.
[08:35] <syn-ack> OS X, imo is the best thing to happen to fBSD, which I cant stand either
[08:36] <noobuntu> synd, i thought i wouldn't like it but being able to drop down to the CLI made me feel comfortabe.  although i've never used a BSD system before.
[08:36] <dazed> how come my NFS files dont show up under "network:///" ? anyone know ???
[08:36] <eyequeue> osx ws nice, since i could drop to a command line and ssh to a debian box :)
[08:37] <topyli> eyequeue: that's what i do on windows boxen
[08:37] <topyli> eyequeue: only, of course i need extra software :)
[08:38] <Roey> Burgundavia:  oh wow
[08:38] <Roey> Burgundavia, noobuntu, eyequeue: anyway I've got to go to sleep.  It was nice talking to you guys
[08:38] <Roey> :)
[08:38] <synd> noobuntu: I just love how everything on Mac "just works" as opposed to Windoesnt.. But recently finding Ubuntu (actually first hearing about it in the Apple Forums, ironically) and being able to resurrect old PCs and laptops that I have laying around is just grand. And there's something about being getting something that isnt working right on Ubuntu (not recognizing battery) working.. its just really really satisfying as opposed to the "it just 
[08:38] <Roey> good night
[08:38] <eyequeue> night
[08:38] <Drews_Blunted> hello
[08:39] <noobuntu> in 5.4 livecd, should samba networking work?
[08:39] <Drews_Blunted> how can i resolve a dependency problem with apt-get
[08:39] <Drews_Blunted> im having a problemw ith ubuntu-desktop and hal
[08:39] <Drews_Blunted> and gnome-volume-manager
[08:39] <niran> noobuntu: no, but when it's up and running, apt-get samba-client
[08:39] <Drews_Blunted> does anyone know?
[08:39] <noobuntu> synd: i'd be tempted to try OSX but the financial commitment seems pretty freakin huge
[08:39] <niran> er... sudo apt-get install samba-client
[08:40] <synd> noobuntu: understandable.
[08:40] <smouche> synd, I kind of sort of have mac envy, but I hate the way the gui looks on the machines I've seen -- and I hate the taskbar etc -- iss that interface easily changable ?
[08:40] <noobuntu> niran, thanks - will it be on the livecd when released?
[08:40] <topyli> smbclient
[08:40] <eyequeue> well, ubuntu-desktop is only a meta-package, so safe to get rid of
[08:40] <synd> noobuntu: hear about the Mac Mini?
[08:40] <niran> noobuntu: i doubt it. i'm not exactly sure why the client isn't included
[08:40] <Arnia> I really fail to understand the point of the argument...
[08:40] <bob2> eyequeue: except it can make upgrades less automatic
[08:40] <niran> noobuntu: but since you can install stuff while it's running, it's no biggie
[08:40] <Zevin> hey, synd, i think i found a driver you can use
[08:41] <eyequeue> bob2:  ah
[08:41] <doko> tritium: what is needed for python-gnome?
[08:41] <synd> smouche: i see. taskbar as in the dock that magnifies when you put your mouse over it?
[08:41] <noobuntu> niran, true.  seems add/remove apps is frozen up though
[08:41] <smouche> I was thinking about a mac mini, just to have a really quiet machine to use as a juke box or server or something...
[08:41] <Xatter> My laptop has USB Legacy enabled, and there is no option in the BIOS to disable it.  I can get Ubuntu to work with a USB Keyboard, but would really like to use the keyboard built into the laptop
[08:41] <smouche> yes, synd.  The magnifying thing, I hate it!
[08:41] <tritium> doko, not sure yet.  crimsun is looking at it with me right now
[08:41] <Xatter> is there any way to tell linux to ignore the USB Legacy 'keyboard'?
[08:42] <niran> noobuntu: huh? a program is frozen up, or the package selection for hoary?
[08:42] <synd> smouche: well, it can be disabled! I dont like it at all either.
[08:42] <Zevin> Synd: i think i found a driver for you
[08:42] <e_machinist> hmmm... How come so many apps don't come with icons to make them pretty?
[08:42] <e_machinist> haha.
[08:42] <e_machinist> Gonna have to make my own?
[08:42] <noobuntu> ubuntu is the color of a nice warm cup of coffee.
[08:42] <synd> e_machinist: like what?
[08:42] <synd> Zevin: Oh, really?
[08:42] <niran> noobuntu: i think i told you the wrong package to install for windows sharing, one sec
[08:42] <smouche> synd, have you tried a mac mini?  any good?
[08:42] <Zevin> its for the DWL-650 Rev.B that has the atheros chipset
[08:42] <synd> Zevin: .inf file?
[08:43] <e_machinist> Opera...
[08:43] <synd> smouche: I have 2 of them
[08:43] <Xatter> anyone else had this problem?
[08:43] <Arnia> Centralised package management is great... but why does that preclude distributed packaging for third-party apps?
[08:43] <smouche> cool, synd!
[08:43] <Zevin> its a modified one from wildpackets, to use with air snort. maybe it will help
[08:43] <synd> smouche: they are engineering marvels
[08:43] <e_machinist> synd, in the bar at the bottom of the screen there is the correct opera icon... but I can't find the icon so that I can make a pretty launcher.
[08:43] <e_machinist> ???
[08:43] <synd> smouche: i took one apart... one word: wow
[08:43] <noobuntu> niran - smbclient, right?
[08:43] <topyli> e_machinist: opera is another story. ask them :)
[08:43] <Burgundavia> Arnia: they must be able to coexist and the centralized must take precedence
[08:44] <synd> e_machinist: you can probably find the icon or a picture online
[08:44] <e_machinist> Yah, that is what I'm doing now.
[08:44] <noobuntu> niran: what froze up was the default add/remove software view.  when i switched to synaptic (advanced?) it worked
[08:44] <smouche> synd:  I only worry about the ventilation on those things -- I would be running it in the summer in NYC, no air conditioning --
[08:44] <Arnia> With the number of packaging systems out there, I feel like they're all different operating systems.
[08:44] <smouche> given they're so quiet, I worry about inadequate fans, cooling...
[08:44] <Burgundavia> smouche: the apple people no what they are doing. If they overheating in NYC, then they would have huge numbers of returns
[08:45] <Burgundavia> smouche: s/no/know
[08:45] <niran> noobuntu: yeah, but it seems it should be installed by default. ubuntu-desktop depends on it
[08:45] <Drews_Blunted> anyon here smoke weed
[08:45] <Drews_Blunted> anyone here puff chronic
[08:45] <Arnia> Burgundavia: Yes, but I think the central repository should be shrunk too so it can be maintained more efficiently
[08:45] <Uscfan> hey all, anyne in here heard of AJAX, the technology behind gmail and flickr???
[08:45] <Drews_Blunted> smoke smoke
[08:45] <Drews_Blunted> toke toke? anyone annyone?
[08:45] <Burgundavia> Arnia: shrunk?
[08:45] <synd> smouche: well, I have two, plus an iBook g4 and an iMac g5.. all 3 being super quiet. I dont have a single problem with heat.. even multitasking and running iTunes visualizations.
[08:45] <Zevin> can anyone here bann blunt boy?
[08:45] <Burgundavia> Arnia: universe is about to be massively expanded
[08:45] <Arnia> Burgundavia: Concentrate on core system components for a desktop
[08:46] <noobuntu> niran - i'm updating packages - maybe that will fix it.  wondering it it wouldn't be a good idea to check for updates on livecd and offer to update at boot?
[08:46] <smouche> Burgundavia, I'm sure you're right, but I don't think users have been able to check them in those conditions yet...
[08:46] <Burgundavia> Arnia: why?
[08:46] <topyli> Burgundavia: that's natural, that's what universes do :)
[08:46] <synd> smouche: if worse comes to worse, OSX has a built in temp monitor that if it gets too hot.. it automatically shuts down
[08:46] <revelater> hey, i installed the proper drivers for my card but i am still getting low fps
[08:46] <noobuntu> BTW - livecd isn't going to touch my local HD's right?
[08:46] <Burgundavia> Drews_Blunted: this is for ubuntu talk. Please restrict it to them
[08:46] <niran> noobuntu: nah, i don't think the live cd is meant to be dynamic, but since you can it's a nice hack to use
[08:46] <Burgundavia> Drews_Blunted: s/them/that
[08:46] <Drews_Blunted> Burgundavia, sorry man
[08:46] <niran> noobuntu: plus, after the live cd stagnates for a while, there'll be a lot of updates to install
[08:46] <Drews_Blunted> ubuntu is just soo cool
[08:46] <e_machinist> What size are the default icons in ubuntu? 32x32?
[08:47] <noobuntu> true
[08:47] <smouche> synd, thanks.  I  may get one ... cool, another excuse to blow my tiny paycheck...
[08:47] <revelater> Burgundavia: hey i am still getting low FPS... is there something else i need to do?
[08:47] <synd> smouche: haha. well if you ever need suggestions on what to do.. feel free to ask
[08:47] <Burgundavia> Arnia: if people want to expand the centralised repos, then why not let them?
[08:48] <noobuntu> niran, so my current partitions will remain untouched, right?  this is a work machine with debian/win2k dual-boot installed
[08:48] <dazed> how come my NFS files dont show up under "network:///" ? anyone know ???
[08:48] <synd> smouche: I just love introducing people to Mac
[08:48] <noobuntu> synd, i think it could use some more interface tweaks though - even my OSX-only friend says he wishes he could turn off more of the effects
[08:48] <Burgundavia> revelater: run glxinfo | grep 'OpenGL vendor string'
[08:49] <Burgundavia> revelater: and tell me what you get
[08:49] <Daehlie> has anyone gotten nicotine to work to get onto the soulseek network?
[08:49] <smouche> synd, just don't rave to me about i-pods! ;-)
[08:49] <geneo93> we all smoke weed all day long
[08:49] <Arnia> Burgundavia: who's repo? Ubuntu? Debian Sarge? Gentoo? FC3? Which distribution is linux? None of them... but then I'm resigned to this problem (as I see it) continuing... I'm just feeling quite annoyed. I don't think its a good thing.
[08:50] <Burgundavia> Arnia: if you have done any work in IT, you will know about the distinction between trusted and untrusted sources
[08:50] <Jerub> hi, I'm having a problem with ubuntu and openafs.
[08:50] <Burgundavia> Arnia: the internet is the biggest untrusted source
[08:50] <revelater> Burgundavia: Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[08:50] <synd> noobuntu: there are a few GUI tweaks for OSX..
[08:50] <revelater> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[08:50] <Jerub> ubuntu doesn't have 2.4 kernels (only kernel source, which is currently building), but has the openafs packages.
[08:50] <Burgundavia> Arnia: central repos are partially trusted
[08:50] <Burgundavia> revelater: ugh
[08:50] <CarlK> Burgundavia - new drive in the e-box, install just stalled on the 2nd phase (after the reboot) - are you interested?
[08:50] <Zevin> anyone know how i can change my response to lid close? when i close my latop, ubuntu shutsdown. i just want it to turn off the screen
[08:50] <revelater> ?
[08:50] <Jerub> that depend on a kernel module that only builds against 2.2 and 2.4 kernels....
[08:50] <Burgundavia> revelater: there is some foo you have do get it working
[08:50] <Burgundavia> revelater: dig around the forums for it, I have forgotten sorry
[08:50] <Burgundavia> CarlK: sure
[08:50] <noobuntu> synd, i imagine more are possible from the CLI but my friend doesn't know how to use t
[08:50] <revelater> Burgundavia: uhh ohh...
[08:51] <geneo93> Daehlie:  yes
[08:51] <revelater> Burgundavia: what forums?
[08:51] <Burgundavia> revelater: Ubuntu ones
[08:51] <Burgundavia> revelater: let me see if I can find it for you
[08:51] <synd> noobuntu: theres something called ShapeShifter
[08:51] <revelater> Burgundavia: thank you
[08:51] <niran> noobuntu: right, it won't touch your existing partitions. i don't even think it mounts them by default
[08:51] <synd> noobuntu: it's pretty sweet, he can try it out
[08:52] <xukun> hi all
[08:52] <revelater> hey
[08:52] <Daehlie> geneo93: what server did you use?
[08:52] <Arnia> Burgundavia: In which case, the core of the problem that repositories solve is web of trust. Could another, more effective, solution be found that decentralises these things so we use the web to maximum benefit?
[08:53] <Zevin> Synd: HA! found a driver for you still!:P
[08:53] <revelater> i think there is a z in decentralizes
[08:53] <Jerub> hmm. I think I got buried.
[08:53] <e_machinist> When I want to move a file to a root only folder what is the best method to do that?
[08:53] <Burgundavia> Arnia: yes, but there would be a lot of overhead for that as well
[08:53] <synd> Zevin: hook a brother up
[08:54] <Flonne> Depends on the stream of Snglish you practise, revelater.
[08:54] <Zevin> its a realtek one for the DWL-610
[08:54] <Flonne> English*
[08:54] <revelater> lol
[08:54] <Zevin> http://www.wildpackets.com/support/hardware/ap_realtek_driver
[08:54] <Arnia> Burgundavia: Hmm... my business partner has done a lot of research into distributed trust webs using FOAF... I'll ask him
[08:54] <synd> you think that'd work for my DWL510?
[08:55] <Zevin> yeah, its the same one. worksa for both
[08:55] <Arnia> Burgundavia: I don't think the overhead is that large, because the network can be locally small IIRC
[08:55] <xukun> I have done something very stupid, I have overwriten my ubuntu's grub boot menu with other linux versions grub boot menu and now I dont have ubuntu boot option in the list of os
[08:55] <Burgundavia> revelater: read through this post. Ignore the 1st post
[08:55] <synd> Zevin: ah, i just saw that it is supported on the link. Nice!
[08:55] <james> how come I can't hear flash in firefox?  I have a fresh install...   my sound works for GAIM and the rest of GNOME
[08:55] <Zevin> woot
[08:55] <Flonne> xukun, did you overwrite it with a text editor?
[08:55] <revelater> Burgundavia: ?
[08:55] <Zevin> 3rd day on linux, and i help someone:) hehe
[08:55] <Burgundavia> Arnia: Autopackage is nice for binary crap that we can't distribute, for everything else, I want it in my repos
[08:56] <e_machinist> When I want to move a file to a root only folder... what is the best method of doing that?
[08:56] <xukun> Flonne: no just sec please
[08:56] <Burgundavia> revelater: there is some good advice for seeing that everything is as it should be
[08:56] <Burgundavia> revelater: fglrx drivers take a lot of tweaking to get working
[08:56] <inisfree> Good Morning. I have a Toshiba Satellite Pro 4300 with a Cisco Aironet, during the installation it was recognised perfectly, but in the normal boot proccess I've got the typical hotplug error with pciehp & schp, and the process "networking start" fails... (will fail again when I try manually). The Aironet is recognised because the applet that measures the signal works perfectly.. but I'm not able to start the network services... any idea plea
[08:56] <Flonne> sudo mv would be my suggestion, e_machinist.
[08:57] <revelater> Burgundavia: what post though?
[08:57] <Arnia> Burgundavia: I'm sorry about this, I'm not trying to carp. I'm just keen to explore other avenues because I don't see how the fragmentation of repositories (and thus, operating systems) can be prevented without a controlled decentralisation
[08:57] <xukun> Flonne: I used this command: sudo grub-install --no-floppy --recheck /dev/hd
[08:57] <Zevin> inisfree: need to install ndiswrapper
[08:57] <e_machinist> sudo mv filenametomove source directory? like that Flonne?
[08:57] <Burgundavia> Arnia: I see the problem that autopackage is trying to solve
[08:57] <Flonne> Yes, e_machinist.
[08:57] <Zevin> look at the howto on the site
[08:57] <Burgundavia> Arnia: but I think it it does it in the wrong way
[08:57] <Arnia> Burgundavia: How is it the wrong way?
[08:57] <Burgundavia> Arnia: centralized repos make security fixed much much easier
[08:57] <Flonne> xukun, that shouldn't overwrite your menu.lst.
[08:57] <james> how come I can't hear flash media in firefox?  I have a fresh install...   my sound works for GAIM and the rest of GNOME... any ideas?
[08:58] <Burgundavia> Arnia: delivery of new versions
[08:58] <xukun> Flonne: hmm well it did
[08:58] <inisfree> ah.. ok Zevin, I thought the Aironet just worked "out of the box", without ndiswrapper
[08:58] <Flonne> What kernel are you running?
[08:58] <xukun> Flonne: so it wasnt that stupid then :)
[08:58] <Zevin> my broadcom did the same thing
[08:58] <synd> Zevin: brb, im gonna boot up into my tower.. which means i gotta take this ethernet cable and plug it in the tower. boo
[08:58] <saik0> hello world
[08:58] <inisfree> ah, I'll try then, thx
[08:59] <revelater> hello one
[08:59] <e_machinist> oh dang... I already did it... no wonder mv kept on giving me errors. I thought I was doing something wrong all along.
[08:59] <e_machinist> haha.
[08:59] <Zevin> reconized it all. still had to ndsiwrapper it
[08:59] <Zevin> pretty easy though
[08:59] <Zevin> just downloaded it and make deb
[08:59] <saik0> is there a way to print your partition table in the console on an ubuntu base system?
[08:59] <inisfree> ok thxxxx :)
[08:59] <Flonne> "cat /etc/fstab", saik0.
[08:59] <Zevin> ctrl+shift+c
[09:00] <Zevin> ctrl+p
[09:00] <Zevin> :P
[09:00] <Burgundavia> CarlK: ping
[09:00] <saik0> Flonne, right but that assumes all partitions are in the fstab
[09:00] <CarlK> sailk - fdisk -l /dev/hda
[09:00] <CarlK> Burgundavia - gathering log files
[09:00] <Arnia> Burgundavia: I can think of other ways to do such notifications far more simply than centralised repositories... plus centralised repositories potentially have a horrible effect due to the principal of endowment. Simply put, upstream authors don't feel they possess the packages and therefore care less about them. Its the same thing that makes people love their car even if its a heap of junk metal
[09:00] <Burgundavia> CarlK: ok, just wondering if you had vanished
[09:00] <Flonne> What CarlK said, saik0.
[09:01] <saik0> CarlK, fdisk comes installed on hoary?
[09:01] <CarlK> i would hope so
[09:03] <synd> Zevin: what was that link again?
[09:03] <synd> SHIT
[09:03] <synd> Zevin: what was that link again?
[09:03] <pepsi> uh ohs
[09:04] <synd> pepsi: i thought netsplits were a thing of the past !
[09:04] <Burgundavia> synd: not on freenode
[09:04] <Arnia> Burgundavia: I guess all I wish is for some effort to be made to solve these issues cross-distribution. A division between system and end-user apps (eg Gnome as a system component, Inkscape as an end-user component) would seem a good division to use to me but then again I know nothing and am just lamenting pointlessly :)
[09:04] <james> can anyone help me w/ why my sound will not work in firefox?
[09:04] <pepsi> :)
[09:05] <Arnia> Still... it seems like something to test some of my research into identity on...
[09:05] <synd> Burgundavia: I used to be an irc.msn.com regular back in my hayday.. and it suffered severely from netsplits and ultimately ended up having MSN shut down the entire thing. That's microshaft for ya.
[09:05] <Burgundavia> Arnia: from a security perspective, everything is equal. To a user, everything is the same
[09:06] <Burgundavia> Arnia: and I completely understand the package for mulitple distros problem
[09:06] <Myrtti> <3 bitlbee
[09:06] <Burgundavia> Arnia: see opera for an example of crazyness related to that
[09:06] <Zevin> http://www.wildpackets.com/support/hardware/ap_realtek_driver
[09:07] <Arnia> Burgundavia: Identity is vital to a lot of things... I may use software description as an object example in my next paper.
[09:07] <james> can anyone help me w/ why my sound will not work in firefox?
[09:07] <Zevin> ok, anyways, about wine
[09:07] <Burgundavia> Arnia: the other issue with autopackage from what I understand is lack of communication
[09:07] <topyli> Arnia: which field are you in?
[09:07] <jldugger> anyone know if lm-sensors supports nforce3 motherboards?
[09:08] <Burgundavia> Arnia: they didn't come to distros and say "how can we fix packaging", they just went and did it
[09:08] <Burgundavia> Arnia: and then it appeared on slashdot, so everybody and their dog is going to be bugging their favourite distro for it
[09:09] <jldugger> unless their favorite distro already packages it
[09:09] <jldugger> or rather the software they want
[09:09] <jldugger> not the autopackager
[09:09] <Arnia> Burgundavia: I'm going to try and catch up with Mike Hearn... apparently he goes to my university (btw, I've been following AutoPackage, ZeroInstall and others for some time out of interest in different software distribution mechanisms)
[09:10] <dealmo720> how can I kill a prozess zombie?
[09:10] <topyli> dealmo720: can't kill the undead
[09:10] <topyli> dealmo720: it'll hang around until you boot
[09:10] <stuNNed> what .deb installs the initrd file in /boot?
[09:10] <Arnia> topyli: Semantic web, natural language understanding, cognitive semantics, information modelling
[09:11] <CarlK> Burgundavia - wb...  http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Mar30/1112165959/p1010001.jpg
[09:11] <jldugger> topyli, are you serious?
[09:11] <topyli> Arnia: ah. nerdy stuff
[09:11] <Burgundavia> Arnia: from a helpdesk/it admin perspective, I really like apt and the centralized repos
[09:11] <topyli> jldugger: yes. you know a way?
[09:11] <jldugger> i would have thought kill -9 as super user would fix anything
[09:11] <FlimFlamMan> well, i can recommend against apt-get upgrade on ubuntu livecd - i'm noobuntu
[09:11] <CarlK> the dir has the floppy made by http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Mar30/1112165959/cpl.sh
[09:12] <bruno> hello
[09:12] <topyli> Arnia: i wish the web was more sane though :)
[09:12] <niran> FlimFlamMan, did you try to upgrade the whole thing?
[09:12] <FlimFlamMan> niran, yeah
[09:12] <Zevin> when i'm installing the base stuff for wine, it trys to install and update IE6, but it fails. any tips?
[09:12] <Burgundavia> CarlK: I forget, did the install take eventually?
[09:12] <niran> p.s.: i just figured out you could tab complete nicks in xchat. awesome.
[09:12] <topyli> Arnia: if it went semantic, it prolly would be _less_ sane but more intuitive :)
[09:12] <FlimFlamMan> niran, i'm back on debian-sarge  atm
[09:12] <niran> FlimFlamMan, yeah i tried that once. bad stuff
[09:12] <bruno> guys, can you give me a tip?
[09:12] <niran> FlimFlamMan, only upgrade individual packages
[09:12] <Arnia> topyli: I enjoy my research... nothing more satisfying than describing an O(n^4) parser for psychologically feasible syntax model that produces ontological descriptions in OWL for use on an information system reflecting information from Gnome applications ;)
[09:12] <topyli> jldugger: kill -9 won't kill zombies
[09:13] <Burgundavia> bruno: ?
[09:13] <FlimFlamMan> niran, no big deal - just reboot - but i gotta yank the cord
[09:13] <jldugger> wierd
[09:13] <bruno> after I install something through synaptic where does it go?
[09:13] <Flonne> Zevin, look up Microsoft's Genuine Advantage program. That may be responsible.
[09:13] <Burgundavia> bruno: it goes to various different places
[09:13] <jldugger> topyli, why not?
[09:13] <topyli> Arnia: hehe. i see what you mean. NOT :)
[09:13] <bruno> I dont know how to run somethings...
[09:13] <Flonne> It's basically something to stop WINE from accessing updates.
[09:13] <Burgundavia> bruno: unlike say windows or macos x, ubuntu uses a db to track files
[09:13] <niran> bruno: look in the menu
[09:13] <topyli> jldugger: they're not live processes. zombies eat no resources except room in the ps and top listings
[09:13] <bruno> there is no icon for them..
[09:13] <Zevin> nice
[09:14] <niran> bruno, which program are you trying to run?
[09:14] <Zevin> any way around it?
[09:14] <Burgundavia> bruno: most programs get installed into /usr/bin
[09:14] <asubedi> has anyone had any luck getting evolution to filter spam?
[09:14] <bruno> something stream
[09:14] <Flonne> If the update can be found on its own, you can probably install it "offline".
[09:14] <niran> what's the name of th epackage?
[09:14] <Burgundavia> bruno: gstreamer?
[09:14] <bruno> I donwloaded a bunch of things to
[09:14] <bruno> yep
[09:14] <Zevin> right
[09:14] <Zevin> thanks
[09:14] <jldugger> topyli, apparently you can try killing the parent process, provided it wasn't init
[09:14] <bruno> I want something to whatch mpeg and play dvds
[09:14] <Burgundavia> bruno: that just allows totem or rhythmbox to play mp3s
[09:15] <bruno> does that help:
[09:15] <FlimFlamMan> bruno, maybe you need to log out and back in to see it in the menus?
[09:15] <niran> bruno, you don't run gstreamer
[09:15] <Burgundavia> bruno: it is not an application by itself
[09:15] <bruno> oh.. ok
[09:15] <saik0> bruno: Totem is a gstreamer frontend
[09:15] <niran> run totem
[09:15] <Arnia> topyli: My dissertation (which I should be writing now) is on automatically reflecting from OO to RDF information models and back. My doctorate is probably going to be on ontological modelling of temporal processes. On the side I'm working on components needed for practical natural language understanding. I'm insane, but I like it like that :)
[09:15] <CarlK> Burgundavia - not according to http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Mar30/1112165959/p1010001.jpg
[09:15] <FlimFlamMan> totem is pretty nice
[09:15] <Burgundavia> CarlK: hmm
[09:15] <bruno> do you know something I can download to watch dvds and play mpegs, avis, divx etc?
[09:15] <topyli> jldugger: perhaps. bearded unix folks tend to say though that zombies are forever
[09:15] <jldugger> ok
[09:15] <aleitner> anybody seen an error like this lately: "relocation error: epiphany: undefined symbol: gtk_window_set_default_icon_name"?
[09:15] <FlimFlamMan> bruno: totem
[09:16] <Flonne> bruno, several people here would suggest Video LAN Client (vlc).
[09:16] <jldugger> i didnt realize the metaphor was so complete
[09:16] <aleitner> i get this one and similar ones after my last upgrade when trying to start apps like epiphany or f-spot
[09:16] <bruno> do I look for that in synaptic?
[09:16] <Burgundavia> bruno: totem is already installed
[09:16] <jldugger> totem totally fucks up as a media player for me
[09:16] <Flonne> Totem should be installed already.
[09:16] <jldugger> i prefer xine
[09:16] <bruno> yep.. but I cant play any of the files...
[09:16] <saik0> bruno, gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[09:16] <bruno> I get error message
[09:17] <Burgundavia> bruno: applications--?sound & video --> totem movie player
[09:17] <FlimFlamMan> jldugger, i was surprised to see totem play back realmedia streams from c-span.org where everything else failed
[09:17] <jldugger> i donno what it is, but after the first file, totem is done until i restart it
[09:17] <ren0> Hello I am having trouble with gnupg I get error message: 8igpg: no writable public keyring found: eof
[09:17] <ren0> Key generation failed: eof
[09:17] <xuesheng> hi there
[09:17] <ren0> Anybody know why?
[09:17] <topyli> Arnia: my dissertation (which i should be writing now) is about free software programmers. behaverioral stuff, activity theory, work research
[09:17] <FlimFlamMan> ni hau
[09:17] <jldugger> FlimFlamMan, maybe its something about warty vs hoary
[09:17] <niran> jldugger, if you install totem-xine, you get xine playback with totem ui
[09:17] <FlimFlamMan> jldugger, actually i was on sid
[09:18] <jldugger> ah, good old sid
[09:18] <jldugger> is there an ubuntu version of sid?
[09:18] <xuesheng> talking about totem.... is anyone able to play anything with totem-gstreamer? I mean, I only would like to play XVID files....
[09:18] <niran> my problem with totem-gstreamer is that gstreamer outputs to esd. i think that's what causes the lag in the video, because totem-xine uses oss
[09:18] <Arnia> topyli: I prefer mine ;)
[09:18] <niran> does totem-gstreamer nog lag for anyone?
[09:19] <Arnia> niran: Can't you change that in your preferences? (which sink it uses)
[09:19] <saik0> xuesheng, xvid, divx, and many others are included in gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[09:19] <jldugger> oh, that's another good one! gstreamer preferences will crash on me
[09:19] <niran> yeah, but i like gstreamer for my audio
[09:19] <xuesheng> alsa, when running the root terminal, I always get that annoying dialog telling me it failed to execute (while it runs perfectly actually....)
[09:19] <xuesheng> saik0: really? cool... thanks dude
[09:19] <topyli> Arnia: yeah, your stuff is about something less complex than humans. you can actually study it =)
[09:19] <e_machinist> Does ubuntu come default with Java installed? Or do I need to install it seperately?
[09:20] <saik0> xuesheng, yep enjoy!
[09:20] <xuesheng> e_machinist: you need to install it
[09:20] <Flonne> You need to install it seperately, e_machinist.
[09:20] <syn1> e_machinist: doesnt, goto the ubuntuguide.org
[09:20] <FlimFlamMan> jldugger, i too have had crashiness with gstreamer in the past, but just using totem has never caused me problems
[09:20] <niran> e_machinist, ubuntuguide.org for instructions
[09:20] <Flonne> Java is not Free software.
[09:20] <ren0> e_machinist, www.ubuntuguide.org has good instructions.
[09:20] <Arnia> niran: No, I mean you can change the sink that gstreamer uses from ESD to OSS I think
[09:20] <Arnia> If you have an OSS sink...
[09:20] <syn1> e_machinist: what kinda e machine are you on? im on one as well : )
[09:21] <e_machinist> syn1: I'm not on an emachine.
[09:21] <e_machinist> I just think the name e_machinist is cool soundin' haha.
[09:21] <Arnia> topyli: I dunno... my main research interests require me to study how the brain (functionally, rather than implementationally) conceptualises
[09:21] <e_machinist> I build all my compies.
[09:21] <CarlK> e_machinist - I am 3/4 on one, but it just never finishes the install
[09:21] <syn1> e_machinist: crafty little nick ya got there than :p
[09:21] <syn1> then*
[09:22] <topyli> Arnia: let me know when you find out :)
[09:22] <e_machinist> syn1: I created the nick when I had an emachine 5 years ago. I have since then built all my compies.
[09:22] <CarlK> e_machinist - it is a celeron 400
[09:22] <niran> Arnia, for individual programs or for everything?
[09:22] <jldugger> niran: totem-xine conflicts with ubuntu-desktop....
[09:22] <e_machinist> Who has a celeron 400?
[09:22] <syn1> e_machinist: i see.
[09:22] <CarlK> I do
[09:22] <niran> jldugger, yeah, make sure you reinstall it when you upgrade to hoary
[09:22] <niran> jldugger, in hoary it doesnt conflict anymore
[09:23] <e_machinist> oh, I see.... 400MHz huh? You are a brave person.
[09:23] <jldugger> i see
[09:23] <niran> Arnia, i meant that i like ESD for my audio
[09:23] <CarlK> e_machinist - just for testing, not for anything real
[09:23] <niran> Arnia, basically, i like ESD whenever i can use it so i can have multiple sound sources
[09:23] <Flonne> e_machinist, is it bravery or stupidity to Gentoo a 486?
[09:23] <Arnia> topyli: Its not as hard as people think... just have to forget dualism and go back to the data. Everyone wants there to be a mystery about the brain and they get scared by it.
[09:23] <klex_> i have installed firefox-locales in my language, but firefox still uses english....???
[09:23] <Arnia> niran: The setting is for all gstreamer
[09:23] <klex_> something special i have to do?
[09:23] <CarlK> Flonne - Generally Too much hassel ;)
[09:24] <Flonne> =P
[09:24] <Flonne> It was LFS before that.
[09:24] <FlimFlamMan> i really hate sites that direct you to their home page instead of showing a 404
[09:24] <syn1> CarlK: i had an emachine 600Mhz celeron that I threw away about a week ago.. thinking it was useless.. (then I find Ubuntu)
[09:24] <jldugger> anyone know if lm-sensors supports nforce3 mobos?
[09:24] <jldugger> i'd really like to tune down the fans and all
[09:25] <Arnia> topyli: Heh. Sentience isn't that special either
[09:26] <niran> Arnia, yeah, i don't want to change all of gstreamer, just totem. totem-xine looks like the only option
[09:26] <CarlK> syn1 - yeah, ubuntu does pretty good on a P2-300 even
[09:26] <e_machinist> Hmm.. I need some music here.
[09:26] <Zevin> ubuntu rocks on my PenPro 200:)
[09:27] <topyli> ahh, pentium pro. the good chip
[09:27] <Zevin> i swear
[09:28] <klex_> how do i get firefox with other language than english?
[09:28] <Flonne> Was that line the one plagued with FDIV errors?
[09:28] <Zevin> 512kb l2 cache, it screens, even compared to like a 900mhz celeron
[09:28] <Zevin> *screems
[09:28] <topyli> klex_: the language packs are in separate packages
[09:28] <Flonne> The PPro had a half-meg cache?!
[09:29] <klex_> topyli: firefox-locales-nb for example?
[09:29] <topyli> klex_: i guess. i haven't installed any
[09:29] <FlimFlamMan> ubuntu will wait for OOo2 to get into debian before offering it?
[09:29] <klex_> topyli: installed it but firefox are still english...
[09:29] <niran> FlimFlamMan, ooo2 is in hoary
[09:29] <niran> FlimFlamMan, universe at least
[09:29] <saik0> FlimFlamMan, it's in universe in hoary
[09:29] <topyli> FlimFlamMan: we'll see if ooo2 is releasable by free software vendors at all :)
[09:29] <klex_> niran: what???
[09:30] <FlimFlamMan> yeah
[09:30] <Flonne> Is Sun playing with the license?
[09:30] <FlimFlamMan> so if i'm using 5.0.4 livecd, is ooo2 in there?
[09:30] <jldugger> no
[09:30] <topyli> klex_: i guess you can select it somewhere. or perhaps it tries to follow your gnome settings
[09:30] <FlimFlamMan> Flonne, java dependencies
[09:30] <jldugger> something about java
[09:30] <niran> Flonne, no, but many new features rely on java
[09:30] <niran> ubuntu can't ship java
[09:30] <Flonne> It actually depends on Java? Icky. :(
[09:30] <FlimFlamMan> some features,
[09:30] <niran> ergo, no extra features for us
[09:30] <FlimFlamMan> but the new database app requries it
[09:30] <FlimFlamMan> suckiness
[09:31] <topyli> Flonne: the database, and other new stuff
[09:31] <e_machinist> The nice thing about linux of any flavor is that once you have spent 3 hours making something work you usually never forget in the future.
[09:31] <e_machinist> haha.
[09:31] <FlimFlamMan> screw java, long live python
[09:31] <xuesheng> *no-one* forces *no-one* to use OO
[09:31] <jldugger> consider it a challenge for the gcj team to rise to ;)
[09:31] <Flonne> That means I'd have to contaminate my network with non-free software. :(
[09:31] <Flonne> (Assuming I actually wanted to use OOo2.)
[09:31] <jldugger> e_machinist, I wish.
[09:31] <klex_> topyli: i use "nb" in gnome....
[09:31] <xuesheng> jldugger: fedora already builds OO with gcj :p
[09:31] <topyli> jldugger: yes, they now have motivation again :)
[09:31] <niran> i switched to abiword a little bit before all the controversy anyway
[09:31] <FlimFlamMan> i don't use it except to open docs that people send me.  i have virtually no use for office suite
[09:31] <jldugger> i used to build my own kernels, now i can't
[09:32] <e_machinist> Poor jldugger, you can't remember things you have done?
[09:32] <niran> works well enough for me, and it's fast
[09:32] <jldugger> damn things dont work
[09:32] <Arnia> Well... OpenDocument is going to be a little bit of a deal breaker soon
[09:32] <niran> i'm kinda heading back towards pure gnome apps anyway
[09:32] <niran> i.e. epiphany
[09:32] <niran> xuesheng, not everything works in gcj ooo2 yet though
[09:32] <FlimFlamMan> they moved our users to exchange, now everyone's sending around those fucking html messages with image backgrounds
[09:32] <xuesheng> only gripe with epiphany:: when you open a window, the address bar won't get the focus... idiotic! :p
[09:33] <topyli> klex_: in firefox preferences -> general, you can select a language. doesn't that work?
[09:33] <niran> Arnia, abiword will probably support opendocument. it supports the current ooo files anyway
[09:33] <Flonne> Submit a patch, xuesheng.
[09:33] <klex_> topyli: no!
[09:33] <klex_> topyli: im a bit confused :)
[09:33] <jldugger> e_machinist, i usually wind up writing down instructions on how to perform an action. they wind up being borderline scripts
[09:33] <niran> xuesheng, it's a mozilla bug. the galeon devs found a way around it, so the next epiphany version should have the fix
[09:33] <topyli> klex_: perhaps that works only for web pages, not the interface :(
[09:34] <xuesheng> niran: that's nice, cause it's really a pretty browser
[09:34] <Arnia> niran: That will be good... its still not good enough as a word processor for my needs. But neither is OOo1 (OOo2 is getting close). I use latex for my stuff mostly
[09:34] <niran> xuesheng, yep. and it's scriptable with python
[09:34] <FlimFlamMan> ubuntu is the soft moss that covers the debian rock
[09:34] <klex_> topyli: maybe, but the locales have menus and shit, hm... i just have to keep trying hehe
[09:34] <topyli> klex_: happy hacking :)
[09:34] <xuesheng> niran: I can already hear firefox crying :p
[09:35] <CarlK> Burgundavia  - 1:40am... 2nd wind is about out... I need to get to bed 0 any ides or sould I reboot and start again?
[09:36] <FlimFlamMan> i notice firefox uses native gnome file/open dialog
[09:37] <niran> xuesheng, yep. the problem is it's not that easy to get to the inner workings of the browser through the python interfaces they exposed. i want to write a plugin that uses the currently selected text, but i haven't found a way yet
[09:37] <niran> xuesheng, i wrote a coral cache plugin though
[09:37] <topyli> FlimFlamMan: yes, if you have the gnome-support package instlled
[09:37] <FlimFlamMan> topyli, does that exist in debian-sarge?
[09:37] <topyli> FlimFlamMan: iirc, sid at least has it
[09:38] <FlimFlamMan> hmm, didn;t know that - going to look  :-)
[09:38] <FlimFlamMan> yay, it's there.  installing.
[09:38] <niran> FlimFlamMan, http://packages.debian.org/testing/web/mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[09:39] <niran> packages.debian.org is your friend
[09:39] <Xira> Uh, flash isnt giving me sound
[09:39] <Xira> help?
[09:39] <niran> along with http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu
[09:39] <FlimFlamMan> doesn't seem to work though...
[09:40] <topyli> FlimFlamMan: it has to work too? some people ;)
[09:40] <FlimFlamMan> i know, i'm high maintenance
[09:40] <topyli> heh
[09:40] <FlimFlamMan> hmm, maybe restart
[09:40] <FlimFlamMan> bbl
[09:41] <CarlK> Burgundavia  - I am off to bed - Ill be back in about 7 hours
[09:41] <Burgundavia> CarlK_afk: ok
[09:42] <CarlK_afk> thnaks for looking - wish I cold stay up
[09:42] <saik0> will grub chanload windows if it's not on the furst GB of a drive?
[09:44] <Zevin> anyone here have wine working for them?
[09:45] <Zevin> heya dreamer3
[09:45] <saik0> My friend cant boot windows on his laptop and II'm certain his grub menu is setup right. If it's on hdc5 it should be (hd2,4) correct?
[09:45] <mlambie> is there a way to limit apt-get's bandwidth, without implementing full QoS?
[09:49] <Flonne> Yes, saik0.
[09:50] <saik0> I give up then, he's at the mercy of the boards
[09:50] <Flonne> What's the current entry?
[09:52] <saik0> Flonne, rootnoverify (hd2,4);makeacitve;chainloader +1
[09:52] <saik0> Flonne, without the typo of course
[09:53] <Flonne> That seems about right, though I don't recall root needing the noverify bit. (But it's been a long time since I've had to configure Windows.)
[09:53] <fwiffo> saik0, what error does he get?
[09:54] <synd> ugh
[09:54] <synd> does ANYONE have the D-Link DWL-510 802.11g PCI card working with ubuntu?
[09:54] <stuNNed> synd: ndiswrapper?
[09:55] <synd> stuNNed: tried that
[09:55] <saik0> fwiffo, error 12: invalid device requested
[09:56] <mpq> can anyone help with a hardware problem?
[09:56] <mpq> or just ubuntu stuff?
[09:56] <Flonne> Are you sure it's hdc5, saik0?
[09:56] <fwiffo> saik0, ok - that doesn't sound like the problem I once encountered
[09:57] <fwiffo> saik0, That was fixed by changing from CHS to LBA for the hdd's in the BIOS
[09:57] <saik0> Flonne, according to him he is positive it's hdc5
[09:57] <mpq> there's something wrong with my computer and I can't figure out what
[09:58] <spacey> mpq, did you do a memtest?
[09:58] <mpq> that's not the problem
[09:59] <saik0> I'm having a probelm where xorg takes 100% of my CPU when I do stuff like scroll down in firefox or move windows around, I found a relevant thread on the boards but it had no answer. Anybody got some concrete info on this?
[09:59] <mpq> I just replaced the motherboard but now the CPU fan doesn't work
[09:59] <Flonne> It might be similar to what fwiffo suggested -- the BIOS might be assigning different information than the kernel.
[09:59] <saik0> Flonne, It's a laptop, not sure if thats relevant at all
[09:59] <spacey> mpq, maybe its the psu. if it doesn't supply power properly
[09:59] <mpq> the what?
[09:59] <Flonne> A laptop which uses hdc by default?
[09:59] <spacey> power supply unit
[10:00] <Flonne> I had that problem with a desktop once...
[10:00] <mpq> it worked before
[10:00] <mpq> why would it not work now?
[10:00] <spacey> yeah well things break
[10:00] <Flonne> It might be worth trying to go with hd0 instead of hd2.
[10:00] <mpq> please don't tell me I need a new processor...
[10:00] <saik0> Flonne, yep tried that no dice
[10:00] <Flonne> It can't hurt anything.
[10:00] <mpq> I can't afford that
[10:01] <spacey> you sound like those people that call to isp helpdesk i work at :P its not my computer because it worked before. :P
[10:01] <spacey> mpq, i don't think its the processor
[10:01] <Flonne> saik0, I'd suggest LILO as a possible alternative, ugly and long-since deprecated though it may be.
[10:01] <saik0> Flonne, his ubuntu entries hda (hd0,0) for the initrd. is that normal if your device is hdc?
[10:01] <spacey> you should just swap hardware around till you find the cause. at least thats what i always do
[10:02] <spacey> but ofcourse then you need spare parts:)
[10:02] <synd> anyone know where i can get NETDLWL.INF
[10:02] <Flonne> Is it a single-partition installation or is there a separate partition for /boot?
[10:02] <subterrific> mpq: did you plug the fan in?
[10:02] <subterrific> ;)
[10:02] <mpq> yeah
[10:02] <Xira> help?
[10:02] <Xira> Uh, flash isnt giving me sound
[10:02] <Flonne> synd, follow the links from www.ndiswrapper.org -- they have a dirver index somewhere.
[10:02] <saik0> Flonne there is a /boot partition
[10:03] <ice_1963> in kde can i uninstall knaptic and install synaptic ??? =)
[10:03] <mpq> I have the feeling I might have broken it
[10:03] <mpq> I had a lot of trouble removing it from the old motherboard
[10:03] <Flonne> Do you happen to have the entire partition table, saik0? (PM)
[10:03] <saik0> Flonne, I was just thinking they would be on (hd2,0) if it was on hdc1
[10:03] <synd> Flonne: ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net you mean
[10:03] <Flonne> Yes, that.
[10:04] <Flonne> Sorry.
[10:04] <whybesane> How do I get the hoary live CD to mount a local NTFS5 partition (Windows XP is installed on the local HDD)
[10:05] <saik0> Flonne, sadly I dont, and he's not around
[10:05] <rython> hi all
[10:06] <Flonne> Well, if he can boot Ubuntu fine, and his laptop is normal, it shouldn't have two HDDs, so hdc should be impossible.
[10:07] <saik0> Flonne, yea I thought so too
[10:08] <revelater> how do i disable my second screen when i am not using it?
[10:09] <revelater> hello?
[10:10] <revelater> help please?
[10:10] <revelater> is everyone asleep?
[10:11] <Zevin> i dunno
[10:11] <dwa_> revelater : you press the off-button
[10:11] <Zevin> freenode has been hiccuping
[10:11] <dwa_> ;)
[10:12] <Zevin> anyone here use wine?
[10:12] <revelater> dwa_ so when i press the off button it automaticaly turns off suport for the display?
[10:12] <dwa_> no revelater, i was just joking
[10:12] <dwa_> i'm sorry
[10:13] <dwa_> can't you disable your monitor in twinview or xinerama?
[10:13] <revelater> i mean in the system itself
[10:15] <revelater> ach!!! nevermind, ill try again tomorrow
[10:15] <dwa_> hehe ok :)
[10:15] <garrut> revelater: you'll have to change your xorg.conf and restart x
[10:15] <garrut> dan niet!
[10:18] <Zevin> hey
[10:18] <Zevin> is there a way to  make it so when i cloe my laptop lid, ubuntu doesn't shutdown?
[10:19] <rjb> hiya, struggling right now w/install of hoary/amd64, fails to install base system :(
[10:19] <Zevin> ouch
[10:19] <rjb> the msg is: dpkg: syntax error
[10:20] <rjb> unknown user `root' in statusoverride file
[10:20] <Zevin> i wanna see someone install it on one of thoes new P4's that use the amd64 commands
[10:20] <n4cht> uh oh...
[10:20] <n4cht> i'm doing the unthinkable!
[10:20] <n4cht> i'm... installing KDE!
[10:20] <Zevin> NOOOO!!!
[10:20] <dwa_> Zevin : checkout /etc/acpi/lid.sh
[10:20] <dwa_> you can change the behaviour in there
[10:20] <Zevin> you rock dwa
[10:20] <rjb> (i'm working on a dual xeon box but i doubt that matters)
[10:21] <drquin> I'm getting no sound from my laptop hp dv1175 anyone have similiar problems and fixed it?
[10:21] <n4cht> hahaha.  i'm just checking to see what everyone's big hardon for kde is that they would flip out bad enough to all but force kbuntu's conception.
[10:22] <rjb> actually the only reason i'm trying ubuntu is that the plain debian installer doesn't support the BCM5700 NIC
[10:22] <rjb> :(
[10:23] <Zevin> ouch
[10:23] <rjb> so, any idea of a workaround for the dpkg error???
[10:24] <Zevin> i wish i knew rjb. i'm way too new to help much.
[10:24] <Zevin> cept maybe try too google for the problem
[10:25] <rjb> the err msg seems bogus, something else must be the problem..
[10:30] <FlimFlamMan> rjb: i thought xeon was an intel chip
[10:30] <Daehlie> it is
[10:30] <rjb> FlimFlamMan: true but it's arch=amd64
[10:31] <FlimFlamMan> oh
[10:31] <rjb> surprize surprize ;)
[10:32] <FlimFlamMan> so....  i've been running a 686-smp kernel on a dual-xeon system for awhile now....
[10:32] <rjb> and..? it _is_ ia32 compatible
[10:33] <FlimFlamMan> just wondering if i should switch
[10:33] <FlimFlamMan> (this is debian testing btw)
[10:34] <rjb> dunno, i have no idea whether 64bit has real perf benefits
[10:34] <rjb> depends on what you use it for i guess
[10:34] <topyli> mmm. dual xeon
[10:35] <topyli> rjb: i don't know why it sounds good either :)
[10:35] <Bazzi> needs more int64 =)
[10:35] <rjb> but it's no good at all while i can't put an OS on it ;((
[10:37] <Zevin> anyone hhav'n trouble with nvidia drivers?ere
[10:37] <rjb> in fact i believed at first it was ia64, being intel
[10:37] <FlimFlamMan> i have them arguing over it in #debian  :-)
[10:37] <mjr> rjb, in an amd64 case it has real benefits, mostly because of the increased number of registers (but in some cases the pointers hogging more space in the cache can reduce that)
[10:37] <rjb> and was puzzled when a ia64 installer wouldn't boot ;)
[10:38] <rinnan> cool.  Ubuntu is the best distro I've ever used, and I've been using Linux since the only distro you could get was Slackware :)
[10:38] <rinnan> On floppy.
[10:38] <mjr> rinnan, me, too, but I don't think it's fair to compare to '93 slackware ;P
[10:39] <rinnan> hahah don't worry I wasn't :p  I was actually comparing to my most recent two, Fedora Core 3 and Gentoo.
[10:39] <rjb> duh maybe i should try warty instead of hoary?
[10:39] <rinnan> I'm going to try to talk ubuntu people into officially supporting my video chipset -- unichrome.
[10:40] <topyli> rinnan: they'll just try and talk you into getting a matrox card :)
[10:41] <Burgundavia> rinnan: is there a reason they wouldn't?
[10:41] <rinnan> no way!  I'm happy with my unichrome.  I run a fanless desktop, and it's sealed, so it's impossible to add any card that needs airflow.
[10:42] <FlimFlamMan> i'm about a nanometer from deciding to put ubuntu on my free partition
[10:42] <Burgundavia> FlimFlamMan: what is stopping you/
[10:42] <rinnan> Well the only reason they might not is because the kernel people only just added drm support.  They'd have to add the via drm module (which is open source) but other than that it shouldn't eba problem.  THey'd have to add the xorg driver too.
[10:42] <Burgundavia> rinnan: huh? what is this vid card?
[10:42] <rinnan> Unichrome.
[10:42] <FlimFlamMan> Burgundavia, just the extra time involved exploring a new distro.  i have kind of a lot invested in my debian desktop setup
[10:43] <Burgundavia> FlimFlamMan: true true
[10:43] <Zevin> i think ubuntu really needs to team up with a computer maker like evergreen,system builders, or cisnet. something. i mean, we sell linux systems at staples. i'd like them to have ubuntu on them:)
[10:43] <Burgundavia> FlimFlamMan: that is what makes live cds great
[10:43] <FlimFlamMan> that's what i'm checking out now
[10:43] <n4cht> brb.  trying kde
[10:43] <Burgundavia> Zevin: not enough demand or margin
[10:43] <topyli> FlimFlamMan: you can set it up just like you have debian now. that's what i did
[10:43] <FlimFlamMan> ick
[10:43] <FlimFlamMan> i like the debian ideals though
[10:44] <FlimFlamMan> but i don't like waiting til hell freezes over to get releases
[10:44] <Zevin> so? wal-mart sells linux systems. just having ubuntu on there would send it flying twoards a true userlinux desktop.
[10:44] <topyli> FlimFlamMan: that's why we have unstable. no worries about releases :)
[10:45] <FlimFlamMan> true enough
[10:45] <FlimFlamMan> but apparently ubuntu tries to make sure things don't explode
[10:45] <FlimFlamMan> and then say "hey, it's UNSTABLE."  :-)
[10:45] <Zevin> right now, that windoze-like linux distro is in alot of wal-mart's systems
[10:45] <FlimFlamMan> i think they're using linspire, and lycoris
[10:46] <topyli> FlimFlamMan: that's how i see it. it's unstable, frozen and debugged from time to time
[10:46] <saik0> Zevin, LinSpire in wal-mart?
[10:46] <Zevin> yeah
[10:46] <FlimFlamMan> actually i think i'd be happy with unstable, with bullet-proof multimedia
[10:46] <Zevin> i want ubuntu on thoes systems
[10:47] <saik0> Zevin, a man can dream
[10:47] <Zevin> yeah
[10:47] <Zevin> whoever is in charge of ubuntu should contact one of thoes system builders and see if theres any interest
[10:47] <saik0> umm I put a DVD in my drive and I cant eject it and it's not showing up in Computer
[10:48] <saik0> Zevin, yes well too bad ubuntu is free
[10:48] <topyli> Zevin: they have linux on them, so it's pretty much guarateed ubuntu/fedora/whatever you like will run. that's a lot already for such a cheap box
[10:48] <FlimFlamMan> sorry, it's linspire and xandros
[10:49] <FlimFlamMan> i thin it used to be lycoris
[10:49] <saik0> Zevin, oh wait I misunderstodd what you were saying, thought you said they Sold LinSpire at Wal-Mart
[10:49] <Zevin> isn't xandros what replaced corel linux
[10:49] <rinnan> well ubuntu is free but there is a company behind it and I'm sure they'd be interested in seeing it on Walmart machines.
[10:49] <FlimFlamMan> you're talking about machine builders - that's where you need something like userlinux to back it up
[10:49] <topyli> rinnan: canonical could still sell support for wal-mart ubuntu boxen
[10:50] <rinnan> right, of course.
[10:50] <FlimFlamMan> $199 xandros box:  http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3380786&cat=179715&type=19&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A3951%3A41937%3A183251
[10:50] <rinnan> how do I download the right kernel source so I can build a custom module?
[10:50] <rinnan> (my video chipset drm module)
[10:50] <saik0> rinnan, you probably only need the heards I think
[10:51] <FlimFlamMan> kernel-headers
[10:51] <saik0> rinnan, what he said, doh
[10:51] <rinnan> alright I'll give it a shot.
[10:51] <topyli> FlimFlamMan: linux-headers on ubuntu
[10:52] <FlimFlamMan> i think it would be cool if walmart put some linux boxes on the shelves instead of internet-only
[10:52] <FlimFlamMan> topyli, thanks
[10:52] <rinnan> hm, I need the kernel .config file
[10:52] <rinnan> I suspect that I really do need the sources.
[10:52] <Zevin> nice
[10:53] <Zevin> thats a nice box for 199
[10:53] <rinnan> I mean, exactly the sources that they used for the kernel.
[10:53] <Zevin> so, whats the story with xandros?
[10:53] <Zevin> looks like it ships with kde
[10:53] <Zevin> least, from the wal-mart pics
[10:53] <n4cht> ok, so.. here's my synopsis of KDE:  it broke my fucking system.    gnome refuses to function now.  i'm quite pissed off.   kde can go rot.
[10:53] <rjb> ok, posted to ubuntu-users, let's see what happens..
[10:53] <phxguy> any1 know why my windows drive doesn't show up on the desktop??? It is already mounted
[10:53] <FlimFlamMan> Zevin, dunno, i think it's a pay-distro
[10:54] <FlimFlamMan> i've heard it's excellent for people coming off windows
[10:54] <FlimFlamMan> never tried it though
[10:54] <topyli> Zevin: they also ship with proprietary stuff like their own file manager, crossover office and other stuff
[10:54] <topyli> very evil :)
[10:54] <Zevin> hmm
[10:55] <Zevin> whats it based off of?
[10:55] <topyli> debian
[10:55] <Zevin> ahh
[10:55] <Zevin> well
[10:55] <FlimFlamMan> for some reason i just can't stomach kde
[10:55] <Zevin> might not be that bad then
[10:55] <Zevin> yeah
[10:55] <Zevin> ditto
[10:55] <rjb> kde is kool ;)
[10:55] <FlimFlamMan> feels too much like a 1960's pachinko machine
[10:55] <phxguy> looks like another linspire to me
[10:55] <rinnan> I like KDE.  Though I've decided that Ubuntu itself seems to work better with Gnome right now.
[10:55] <n4cht> kde is a piece of crap.
[10:56] <topyli> Zevin: actually i hear it's very good, albeit a tad restrictive. for newbies i guess
[10:56] <Zevin> still
[10:56] <Zevin> 199
[10:56] <rjb> Flim were you even alive in the 60s? ;))
[10:56] <Zevin> killer price
[10:56] <FlimFlamMan> rjb: 1964  :-)
[10:56] <Zevin> i could make some nice nodes out of thoes
[10:57] <rjb> aah
[10:57] <FlimFlamMan> i've had a debian-testing partition lying dormant on my parents' pc - maybe i'll put ubuntu on it and let them try it
[10:57] <rinnan> so no idea about the kernel sources?  Anyone?
[10:57] <topyli> Zevin: 199? how much is windows xp pro?
[10:58] <rjb> my debian unstable workstation was installed like 6 ys ago ;) still alive :-)
[10:58] <FlimFlamMan> rinnan, topyli said it was linux-headers on ubuntu
[10:58] <topyli> yeah
[10:58] <rinnan> It isn't.
[10:58] <topyli> no?
[10:58] <rinnan> That isn't the source, just hte headers.  I really need the source.
[10:58] <rinnan> And also the ".config" file from the source.
[10:59] <topyli> rinnan: well, then it's linux-source. the config is already in your /boot
[10:59] <rinnan> AHA, good, that's where the config is.  Of course.  I forgot, sorry.
[10:59] <rjb> firefox go ahead & try.. let's see if you get the same error ;)
[10:59] <Zevin> xp pro? huh? the xandros box from wal-mart. 199. would make some sweet nodes
[10:59] <saik0> I'd honestly really like to use soundjuicer, but it seems really restrictive in the way of configuration
[10:59] <FlimFlamMan> `firefox, sure, why not.  i'm trying the livecd, might install it on a spare partition eventually
[10:59] <`firefox> ahh thats right, gotta repartition shit. good reminder XD
[10:59] <FlimFlamMan> xp pro?
[11:00] <Zevin> i dunno. someone metioned xp pro
[11:00] <`firefox> blasphemy!
[11:00] <topyli> Zevin: the box? damn, there's a choice for someone getting 20 desktops for an office
[11:00] <Zevin> yeah
[11:00] <Zevin> hella
[11:01] <topyli> Zevin: of course, no one ever buys xp so no one knows what it costs :)
[11:01] <Zevin> hehe
[11:01] <Zevin> yeap
[11:01] <Zevin> hmm
[11:01] <Zevin> totem says "cannot read resource from dvd://"
[11:01] <Zevin> and now drive won't open
[11:02] <FlimFlamMan> i notice microsoft is trying to crawl further up the stack - do they fear their boxed-products market will get eaten out from under them?
[11:02] <rinnan> crap, none of the packages under "kernel-source" are the one that's being run right now.
[11:02] <rinnan> Those are all debian sources.
[11:02] <FlimFlamMan> so it's kernel, not linux, on ubuntu.  like debian
[11:02] <lewwy> hello, i've been trying to get quake 3 working on ubuntu.  However, upon executing quake3-bin all i get is a black screen.  I have nvidia card and the drivers installed. Any suggestions?
[11:02] <Hannes_> rinnan: linux-source ?
[11:03] <jsgotangco> wow firefox 1.0.2
[11:03] <FlimFlamMan> lewwy, turn up gamma?  :-)
[11:03] <jsgotangco> im impressed
[11:03] <lewwy> lol no
[11:03] <topyli> rinnan: kernel-source packages are debian packages from universe. linux-sources are ubuntu
[11:03] <lewwy> no such luck FlimFlamMan
[11:03] <Zevin> llewwy, what card and what drivers you using?
[11:03] <lewwy> how would i find those out?
[11:03] <lewwy> something to do with grep im guessing
[11:04] <Zevin> nope, just system > admin> device manager
[11:04] <rinnan> ah, okay linux-source gets me much closer...  I need 2.6.10-5, but there is only 2.6.10-31.  I guess it's time to upgrade :)
[11:04] <topyli> heh
[11:04] <fabbione> rinnan: 2.6.10-5 is the package name
[11:04] <fabbione> 2.6.10-31 is a version
[11:04] <lewwy> Zevin: where in device manager does it say that?
[11:04] <fabbione> and there is 2.6.10-5-* version 2.6.10-31
[11:05] <fabbione> that is the last one
[11:05] <lewwy> Zevin: Im on the nv31 thingo
[11:05] <rinnan> oic.. but the package name seems to be "linux-source-2.6.10" and no -5.. is that -5 appended at some other point?
[11:05] <phxguy> so nobody knows why ubuntu doesn't show my windows drive on the desktop???
[11:06] <FlimFlamMan> is it mounted?
[11:06] <fabbione> rinnan: -5 is a number that gets incremented each time the kernel changes ABI
[11:06] <Zevin> feeling of it should say your video card modal
[11:06] <fabbione> rinnan: it was -1 in the beginning.. and so on..
[11:06] <lewwy> man oh man people who ask questions with more than one exclamation and question signs annoy me
[11:06] <fabbione> it has alwasy been there
[11:06] <phxguy> FlimFlamMan, yes it is mounted
[11:06] <phxguy> i know how you feel lewwy
[11:07] <Dreamer3> lewwy: if i ask with only one will you answer in the affirmative :)
[11:07] <lewwy> nowhere in device manager does it tell me my nvidia driver version
[11:07] <lewwy> how can i grep it
[11:07] <lewwy> lsmod | grep nvidia?
[11:08] <lewwy> *silence*
[11:08] <phxguy> lewwy nvidia-settings should show it...
[11:08] <phxguy> mine does at least
[11:09] <saik0> is it normal for Totem-gstreamer to really suck at playing DVDs
[11:09] <Zevin> see, i just can't get the drivers to work
[11:09] <Zevin> i have a geforce 4 440 go
[11:09] <phxguy> so any ideas FlimFlamMan
[11:09] <Zevin> 64 meg
[11:09] <Zevin> and when i enable the drivers, i get white screen of death
[11:09] <topyli> hey, the device manager lets you update the ubuntu hardware database! nice touch
[11:10] <lewwy> command not found
[11:10] <lewwy> phxguy: nvidia-settings not found
[11:11] <FlimFlamMan> phxguy, sorry i was away for a min - not really - i've only used the livecd for about 30 mins.  :-)
[11:11] <phxguy> levvy: apt-get install nvidia-glx (if you haven't done that yet) then apt-get install nvidia-settings
[11:11] <lewwy> k
[11:11] <lewwy> getting settings now
[11:11] <phxguy> take a look at ubuntuguide.org
[11:11] <FlimFlamMan> is there a GUI for mounting partitions?
[11:11] <phxguy> nope haven't found one at least
[11:11] <barbari> how i can build pagage to .deb file, i want to build amule-cvs ?
[11:12] <Zevin> phxguy: then i enable the glx drivers, i just get a mostly white screen. any ideas?
[11:12] <Zevin> make deb
[11:12] <phxguy> have you look at the nvidia topic on ubuntuguide.org
[11:15] <lewwy> phxguy: my nvidia driver version is 1.0-6629
[11:15] <phxguy> Zevin, have you done sudo nvidia-glx-config enable  <-- requires a restart (ctrl+alt+bksp)
[11:15] <Zevin> yeah, when i do, i get white screen
[11:15] <FlimFlamMan> does gnome even create non-removable storage links on the desktop at all?
[11:15] <phxguy> levvy same as mine
[11:15] <Zevin> then i have to recover xorg.conf
[11:15] <lewwy> hmmm
[11:16] <lewwy> any suggestions phxguy?
[11:16] <phxguy> FlimFlamMan, it does but it is real flaky..... my windows drive showed up before but then i rebooted
[11:17] <lewwy> how do i get nvidia to build its own kernel module?
[11:17] <phxguy> hmmm... nope. im not a gamer sorry
[11:17] <lewwy> okay, well can someone please tell me how to get nvidia to make its own module?
[11:18] <rjb> bah, failed again.. let's retry this question:
[11:18] <rjb> hoary-amd64 installer fails to install base system..
[11:18] <phxguy> lewwy, do you gl screensaver work as they should
[11:18] <lewwy> uhhh
[11:18] <lewwy> *checks*
[11:19] <rjb> msg is: dpkg syntax error: unknown user `root' in statusoverride file
[11:19] <lewwy> glxgears runs at 2802fps
[11:19] <rjb> any1 know a workaround?
[11:20] <phxguy> should be working i guess...
[11:20] <lewwy> so how would i install the nvidia packages from nvidia.com?
[11:20] <lewwy> it fails at source
[11:20] <lewwy> even tho i have 2.6 source installed
[11:20] <lewwy> 42mbs worth
[11:20] <phxguy> did you do the "How to enhance NVIDIA graphics performance?" from the ubuntuguide?
[11:20] <lewwy> link me
[11:20] <topyli> uhh... i get about 380 fps from glxgears :)
[11:21] <phxguy> http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#enhancenvidiaperformance
[11:21] <lewwy> omg its big enough
[11:22] <phxguy> I tried those steps and it kinda screwed my system up.... so if you haven't done it well
[11:23] <phxguy> I have a GeForce2 MX 400
[11:23] <e_machinist> Dang... I can't seem to set the mouse motion at juuuusssttt the right speed for me.
[11:23] <lewwy> i have a GeForce 6800 256mb each running in PCI-E SLI
[11:23] <Zevin> nvidia-glx-config enable
[11:23] <e_machinist> haha.
[11:24] <topyli> e_machinist: might get you fragged :)
[11:24] <lewwy> lol nah im joking
[11:24] <lewwy> only got my fx5600
[11:24] <e_machinist> heh. Fragged by the Gnome desktop?
[11:24] <e_machinist> I used to have a 5600 Ultra, was an ok card
[11:24] <topyli> e_machinist: it's not _that_ bad I hope :)
[11:25] <e_machinist> Hmm. I'm right in the middle topyli, one notch down feels to slow. One notch up feels to fast.
[11:25] <lewwy> go with the faster one
[11:26] <e_machinist> yah... faster is usually better cause then I don't have to keep picking up the mouse to get across the screen haha.
[11:26] <topyli> faster! faster!
[11:26] <lewwy> and make the cursor red!
[11:26] <topyli> with trails!
[11:26] <e_machinist> Red? haha.
[11:26] <phxguy> well im outa here good luck lewwy ... don't foget sudo nvidia-glx-config enable and restart x
[11:27] <rjb> strange, unlike debian the ubuntu installer doesn't ask for my dns domain
[11:28] <topyli> rjb: yeah, the ubuntu version doesn't ask much
[11:28] <topyli> it smells what you want
[11:28] <e_machinist> Debian will get easier eventually.
[11:28] <e_machinist> I say eventually with every possible reservation as I have hope... but not to much.
[11:29] <rjb> how can it smell the dns domain? i have no dhcp server
[11:29] <lewwy> man, i so hope this gets easier
[11:29] <waxhead> hey everyone
[11:29] <lewwy> its so goddamn hardkore this OS right now
[11:29] <topyli> rjb: hmm.
[11:29] <FlimFlamMan> on debian, something i've always thought odd is why screen saver selection is placed in the "advanced" menu in gnome....
[11:29] <topyli> i bet it can't
[11:30] <FlimFlamMan> s/why/that/
[11:30] <lewwy> quick, someone remote desktop to me and get quake3 working
[11:30] <rjb> well it could do a revdns query once i gave it my ip & ns addresses
[11:30] <rjb> but i don't think it does that
[11:30] <topyli> FlimFlamMan: might be historical. xscreensaver is not a gnome component
[11:31] <rjb> cuz it doesn't know my hostname
[11:31] <topyli> rjb: i'd restart in the "expert" mode or whatsitsname
[11:33] <Dreamer3> can anyeone help me figure out when building irssi is dying with: configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[11:33] <topyli> lewwy: i can't install the latest point release myself
[11:33] <topyli> lewwy: couldn't in warty anyway, haven't tried now
[11:34] <rjb> ohhh fukkk
[11:34] <lewwy> hey guys
[11:34] <lok> Dreamer3, your symlink /lib/cpp is not linked with the same cpp's version of gcc
[11:35] <rjb> now it gets stuck in the partitioner
[11:35] <Dreamer3> lok: huh?
[11:35] <lewwy> you know quake3 point release linux converter? do i have to install the point release patch prior to installing the linux quake3 over it?
[11:35] <lok> Dreamer3, you have a package of irssi
[11:35] <rjb> i'm done setting up filesystems & hit finish & write changes..
[11:36] <rjb> but the stupid thing just keeps restarting & refuses to proceed
[11:36] <waxhead> re
[11:36] <waxhead> cool... got 3d working.. :)
[11:36] <Dreamer3> lok: i've downloaded the sourc (apt-get source irssi-text) and now i'm in the source directory and running dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[11:36] <lok> Dreamer3, apt-get install irssi
[11:36] <Seveas> Goooooooooooooooooooooooooodmorning|afternoon|evening|night #ubuntu!
[11:37] <Dreamer3> lok: i'm purposely wanting to modify the .dev
[11:37] <Dreamer3> lok: not install a binary
[11:37] <topyli> rjb: is this the hoary installer?
[11:37] <lok> Dreamer3, your /lib/cpp probably link to cpp-3.3 instead of cpp-(gcc --version)
[11:37] <hazmat> are there any debian scripts/tools for managing /etc/rc* directory symlinks?
[11:37] <odie5533> are there any delphi compilers for linux?
[11:37] <topyli> hazmat: update-rc.d is the official. there's a "gui" called sysv-rc-conf too
[11:38] <hazmat> topyli, thanks
[11:38] <saik0> Totem-gstreamer is freaking out when I insert a DVD, the Audio is alright but the video is horrible, and sometimes it crashes at random
[11:38] <odie5533> saik0: sudo apt-get install vlc
[11:38] <lok> saik0, install gstreamer mpeg 2 library
[11:38] <topyli> or totem-xine
[11:39] <Dreamer3> lok: i have gcc 3.3.4... cpp only seems to say 3.3, how do i fix this?
[11:39] <imsdle> im trying to get my LPT1 KTX 4800AP scanner working.. im a new bie
[11:39] <Dreamer3> lok: /lib/cpp -> /usr/bin/cpp-3.3
[11:39] <rjb> topyli: hoary amd64
[11:39] <saik0> I want to support gstreamer, really I do, but they make it hard
[11:40] <lok> Dreamer3, strange your link is good
[11:40] <saik0> lok, it is installed
[11:40] <kingsoz> ello people!
[11:40] <topyli> rjb: might still be buggy
[11:40] <rjb> looks like there's a bug when you go through the partitioner but make no changes
[11:40] <topyli> rjb: try warty and upgrade
[11:40] <lewwy> bah the whole things one big bug
[11:40] <kingsoz> anybody know about installing ATI radeon drivers on ubuntu?
[11:41] <rjb> like no new filesystems created & none marked for formatting
[11:41] <lewwy> never bummed around with a distro this HARD
[11:41] <topyli> kingsoz: i've installed the ati driver. i've also UNinstalled it pretty quickly :)
[11:42] <Dreamer3> lok: must lok so?
[11:42] <lewwy> davicom network drivers STILL doesnt work
[11:42] <kingsoz> hehhe, i used the synaptic thing to download the fglrx thingy and it still didn't do anything, my screensaver runs at 20 fps which is crap
[11:42] <rjb> ok the default install seems to work (sort of).. but i wanted the "server" version :(
[11:42] <topyli> rjb: might still work for warty/xfree, but kills x on restart with hoary/xorg
[11:42] <lok> Dreamer3, try to install gcc-3.4 or 4.0 and relink cpp with cpp-3.4 or 4.0
[11:43] <rjb> i don't even want an xserver on this box
[11:43] <topyli> sorry rjb, i mean kingsoz ^^^
[11:43] <raghu> www.hammockholidays.com...........is it working please urgn
[11:44] <Dreamer3> lok: i don't need g++ for this to work, right?
[11:44] <saik0> Is there way to FIX totem-gstreamer to play DVDs as opposed to telling it to use a different backend or getting a new player >_<
[11:44] <lok> Dreamer3, I don't know take a look at the configure
[11:44] <topyli> kingsoz: are you using warty?
[11:44] <kingsoz> no the hedgehog one
[11:44] <siimo> warty rocks :D
[11:44] <kingsoz> 5.04
[11:45] <topyli> kingsoz: you need to change xorg.conf, change ati driver there to fglrx
[11:45] <kingsoz> yeah i did that
[11:46] <saik0> kingsoz, did you restart X?
[11:46] <lok> saik0, xine, vlc, mplayer
[11:46] <kingsoz> i pressed Ctrl Alt Backspace
[11:46] <topyli> kingsoz: maybe add the module to /etc/modprobe.d/something
[11:46] <topyli> and reboot
[11:46] <topyli> kingsoz: warning: when you log out, if you use gdm, your machine will freeze
[11:47] <topyli> after putting the new driver to work
[11:47] <kingsoz> sorry, i'm really new to linux, moving from distribution to distribution trying to find one that works with my card! i am using gnome is that ok?
[11:47] <lok> topyli, not with the new drivers
[11:47] <lewwy> hey whats the command to configure the x server?
[11:47] <topyli> lok: there are newer drivers? that work?
[11:48] <saik0> lok, no no. I want totem-gstreamer to work with DVDs, is that not possible
[11:48] <siimo> kingsoz, what card
[11:48] <kingsoz> what did u mean by copying the module to that folder, u mean the xorg.conf file?
[11:48] <kingsoz> ATI Radeon 9700 Pro
[11:48] <lok> the latest don't freeze
[11:48] <lewwy> whats the command to configure the X server?
[11:48] <siimo> kingsoz, all distributions will work with that card, thats not something distribution specific
[11:48] <chromate> i've installed amarok through synaptic, but for some reason it doesn't play any files. its not a sound card problem, works fine in xmms. perhaps Arts doesn't like mp3 anymore?
[11:48] <lewwy> guys a simple one word answer...
[11:48] <kingsoz> yeah but i've had linux geeks helping me and nobody can get it to work, they always say try this distro...
[11:49] <siimo> lewwy, xorgconfig or  xorgcfg
[11:49] <topyli> kingsoz: not copying. just adding it to a startup file so the module gets loaded at boot
[11:49] <lewwy> thx siimo
[11:49] <lok> chromate, have you install gstreamer-0.8-mad ?
[11:49] <rjb> uh-oh, hung in configuring apt.. on testing network repository
[11:49] <rjb> that probbly means the NIC isn't working
[11:49] <dballester> hi to all
[11:49] <siimo> kingsoz, you should read the ATi Drivers manual
[11:50] <topyli> lok: are the new ati drivers apt-gettable or should i fetch them from ati?
[11:50] <EricNeon> hi all~
[11:50] <kingsoz> hi eric
[11:50] <Dreamer3> i can't install anything cause i changed my repositories to hoary and it wants to change everything :-/
[11:51] <dballester> I'm trying to get the date of installation for every package in my ubuntu box, taking a look at dpkg, apt-get and google without luck, anybody can point me to right direction? TIA
[11:51] <topyli> Dreamer3: naturally
[11:51] <Benjamin_L> what could be the reason that gnome menu entries are localized but the menu itself is not ?
[11:51] <siimo> kingsoz, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto  has a very simple howto for ATI
[11:51] <imsdle> can anyone tell me how to enable lpt1 port for sane?
[11:52] <topyli> imsdle: you don't have to do anything
[11:52] <Jonne> hi
[11:52] <andreas_> Hi
[11:52] <lok> topyli, the probleme that you mentioned don't exist anymore since the ati versions drivers which run in x86_64
[11:52] <topyli> imsdle: but you have to be root, or use saned
[11:52] <pittiful_fool> question.  I'm using hoary live to mount a local NTFS partition....
[11:52] <lewwy> brb
[11:52] <brrrt> hello hello hello :)
[11:52] <andreas_> Is there any way I can install a CMS on a local PC to develop a site before uploading?
[11:52] <kingsoz> thanks, i'll take a look at it, i'll come back later. thankyou guys
[11:52] <pittiful_fool> but when I do "sudo mount /dev/hba2 /foo".....
[11:52] <lok> Dreamer3 i can't install anything cause i changed my repositories to hoary and it wants to change everything :-/ << he want to upgrade
[11:52] <brrrt> what is the best hoary image to download right now ?
[11:53] <pittiful_fool> user ubuntu can't read /foo
[11:53] <pittiful_fool> what am I missing?  besides a brain?
[11:53] <sveri> hi, i want to install jbuilder 2005 but i get some errors, for example:nawk: error while loading shared libraries: libm.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory, i use hoary on amd64, how can i install jbuilder?
[11:53] <lok> brrrt, the latest ?
[11:53] <brrrt> current?
[11:53] <imsdle> how do get into root?
[11:53] <imsdle> im in root on terminal
[11:53] <andreas_> brrrt: Yup
[11:53] <imsdle> but how do you do it applications
[11:53] <lok> pittiful_fool, add umask=0002 on your /etc/fstab
[11:53] <brrrt> k, thx!
[11:53] <andreas_> imsdl: sudo su - password
[11:54] <brrrt> ubuntu is soooo GREAT !!
[11:54] <imsdle> i know that bit..
[11:54] <imsdle> :P
[11:54] <andreas_> Ahh... you mean activate root?
[11:54] <lok> sudo passwd
[11:54] <dballester> anybody with knowledgement about debian packages structure and database?
[11:55] <Seveas> dballester, sure
[11:55] <saik0> does synaptic have some sort of log
[11:55] <waxhead> I thought hoary had openoffice 2 installed
[11:55] <andreas_> wax: It has when updated
[11:55] <Jonne> hi, i recently installed knoppix (from the liveCD), and i would like to switch to ubuntu (well, gnome actually). The system is a dual boot with winXP, and i would like to know if there's something i have to watch for when installing ubuntu
[11:55] <Seveas> saik0, not really
[11:55] <lok> saik0, synaptics is a front end for apt so the log is the same than apt
[11:55] <saik0> I installed mplayer cuz I was feeling sadistic, turns out I hated it and want to uninstall it and all it;s dependencies
[11:55] <waxhead> andreas_, I moved to hoary last night and I got 1.1.3 showing up...
[11:56] <andreas_> waxhead: goto terminal
[11:56] <waxhead> saik0, gmplayer does the job for me..
[11:56] <rjb> shit hostnames are not resolving so i guess the NIC is noworky indeed
[11:56] <Seveas> saik0, apt-cache show mplayer, that will show the deps
[11:56] <andreas_> sudo apt-get update
[11:56] <waxhead> andreas_, what do you mean?
[11:56] <imsdle> I'll start again.. I have just connected my flatbed scanner.. I want to get it going though sane or xsane. It is an LPT1 scanner
[11:56] <andreas_> auso apt-get install openoffice.org2
[11:56] <saik0> Seveas, also works, thanks
[11:56] <waxhead> andreas_, oh got it...
[11:57] <andreas_> waxhead: Mark that you have to have the universe and multiverse enabled in your sources
[11:57] <dballester> Seveas , i'm trying to know installation date for every package in my system, i was looking dpkg --help with no much luck, may be i'm forgetting something
[11:57] <Gryphon-> i just installed Ubuntu Hoary and installed the ATI 3D drivers, the drivers appear to be working, but my OpenGL device is being listed as MESA indirect - is there a way to fix this as games arent loading atm..
[11:57] <saik0> Seveas, apt-cache search mplayer returned nothing
[11:58] <Seveas> dballester, afaik: there's no such thing
[11:58] <dballester> seveas , ouch :(
[11:58] <Seveas> saik0, apt-cache show mplayer-custom
[11:58] <waxhead> andreas_, got it...
[11:58] <saik0> Seveas, thanks that worked
[11:58] <FlimFlamMan> anyone know why my numeric keypad might stop working?
[11:58] <andreas_> waxhead: Pleased to hear it
[11:58] <waxhead> gee.. window drawing is really slow... :(
[11:59] <andreas_> wax: Only when updating?
[11:59] <dballester> seveas i wanna know waht packages were installed/upgraded today, for example. Any tip?
[12:00] <rjb> dballester i think you can look at the mtimes on the files in /var/lib/dpkg/info
[12:00] <Seveas> dballester, if you haven't run apt-get clean yet you can see which .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives have todays date
[12:01] <andreas_> Have anyone here seen the script on the forums? The beginner`s script, that is.
[12:01] <lok> ubuntuguide.org ?
[12:01] <dballester> rjb & seveas thanks for the idea, at least may be will save my day :) . But i think that's a good idea to have a new field in packages database where the timestamp of update/install can be inserted
[12:01] <brrrt> andreas_: im just doing a jgdo update and there are a lot of': "ERROR 404: Not Found."
[12:01] <waxhead> andreas_, updating?  like redrawing the windows?... yes...
[12:01] <rjb> dballester not that i'm really sure but i think they reflect the install/upgrade time
[12:02] <waxhead> andreas_, I have the fglrx driver installed for xorg... and get decent frame rates with glxgears
[12:02] <andreas_> brrt: Explain
[12:02] <rjb> (they seem to for me at least)
[12:02] <andreas_> waxhead: Cannot help you there hence i have never experienced that
[12:03] <pittiful_fool> many thanks
[12:03] <waxhead> andreas_, but 2d stuff is a bit of a bollocks... but I'm wondering if it's becuase the apps are swapped out to disk, and since I'm on battery, the hdd is a little slow spinning up.
[12:03] <Dreamer3> ok, what's the worst than can happen in an upgrade to hoary?
[12:04] <Arnia> Dreamer3: Total reality failure?
[12:04] <andreas_> dreamer: You don`t  like the look
[12:04] <brrrt> andreas_: i molunted an old hoary-install-i386.iso via loop into a folder and now wantr to do a jigdo-lite update of the image. some packages were downloaded but at some of the packages  i get 404 errors
[12:04] <Arnia> He never said it had to be causally related :)
[12:04] <Seveas> Dreamer3, you could die...
[12:04] <Dreamer3> Seveas: hmmmm, why?
[12:05] <andreas_> brrt: I have never used jigdo so I cannot help you
[12:05] <Dreamer3> Seveas: then i'd go to heaven and wouldn't have to work tomorrow, how is that the WORST thing? :)
[12:05] <Seveas> Dreamer3, you are going to hell :)
[12:05] <Arnia> A team of badgers could lynch you for no good reason
[12:05] <Dreamer3> Seveas: *laughs* that's what you think
[12:05] <andreas_> I have a question
[12:05] <Seveas> Breeze Badgers Arnia ?
[12:05] <Seveas> :)
[12:06] <andreas_> Can i install a CMS on a local machine to develop a site?
[12:06] <Jimbob> andreas_: Yep
[12:06] <andreas_> jimbob: How?
[12:06] <saik0> Totem gave me this when I tried to play a DVD Unexpected error status 8192 while mounting /media/cdrom1
[12:06] <brrrt> andreas_: well i think maybe not that bad, as hopefully the most important packages seem to be availiable
[12:07] <Jimbob> andreas_: Install apache, configure it to listen on 127.0.0.1:80, and then point your webserver at "http://localhost/"
[12:07] <rjb> aarrghh great: /dev/md1: no such file or directory
[12:07] <andreas_> jmbob: and apache is in the apt-get list?
[12:07] <Arnia> andreas_: Which CMS
[12:07] <Seveas> apache2 is
[12:07] <Jimbob> andreas_: Yeah -- apache2 is nicer IMO
[12:07] <andreas_> jimbob: Is that all?
[12:08] <Arnia> Seveas: I've been a benguin and padger fan for about 20 years now... *huggles penguin*
[12:08] <andreas_> Arnia: Open to suggestions, but  a simple one preferrebly
[12:08] <Jimbob> andreas_: Well, you'd also have to install whatever your CMS needs to run -- usually libapache2-mod-php, mysql-server, and php-mysql
[12:08] <Jimbob> (for a CMS that uses PHP + MySQL)
[12:08] <rjb> the hoary installer seems to fuck up the setup of raid devices
[12:09] <Jimbob> andreas_: What CMS did you want to use?
[12:09] <Arnia> andreas_: Just asking cos I was on the core team for Plone and I'm designing a new one atm so its useful research
[12:09] <andreas_> Jimbob: do yu know a a CMS that features a manual for a lll of this?
[12:09] <brrrt> andreas_: jigdo is quite cool, it lets you update your downloaded iso-images :)
[12:09] <Seveas> plone is soooo overkill for a small site
[12:09] <andreas_> Arnia: Well I have been very fond og AngelineCMS
[12:09] <andreas_> of
[12:09] <Jimbob> andreas_: Umm, I don't know of one that features debian/ubuntu-specific instructions -- i.e. a list of packages you want
[12:10] <Seveas> incuding ubuntulinux.nl :)
[12:10] <andreas_> Mirage? Link please
[12:10] <andreas_> please
[12:10] <Seveas> can't do
[12:10] <Seveas> server is down
[12:10] <andreas_> Damn!
[12:10] <Arnia> Seveas: *shrugs* I can help best with Plone that's all :)
[12:11] <andreas_> Arnia : 2 secs.. Just looking
[12:11] <Seveas> but it's not that usable (has no docs) :)
[12:11] <Arnia> Plone has plenty of docs
[12:11] <Arnia> Does any one else find it weird looking at their own work?
[12:11] <Seveas> but i like Mirages *lightweigthedness* and being based on xml :)
[12:11] <Arnia> (as a random aside)
[12:11] <Seveas> and the fact that i've developed it :o)
[12:12] <andreas_> Arnia: Can i see you on instant messager?
[12:12] <kev0r> Seveas: wtf is Mirage?
[12:12] <Arnia> Which network?
[12:12] <andreas_> It` s a bit confusing here
[12:12] <Seveas> kev0r, my CMS :)
[12:12] <kev0r> CMS =?
[12:12] <Seveas> content management system
[12:12] <Seveas> for people who are too lazy to write html :)
[12:12] <Arnia> I look at ubuntulinux.org and I can say 'I did that markup'
[12:13] <kev0r> root :P
[12:13] <kev0r> hmm
[12:13] <Seveas> lol Arnia
[12:13] <kev0r> png: best not login root
[12:13] <Seveas> i have that with ubuntulinux.nl :)
[12:13] <Jimbob> Seveas: Or have too many pages to manually update the nav bars...
[12:13] <Seveas> (down too, stupid hoster...)
[12:13] <png> kev0r: n/p for me
[12:13] <Seveas> Jimbob, good reason too
[12:13] <kev0r> ok, whatever :)
[12:13] <Arnia> Seveas: Harsh... not fair either. A CMS should be used to manage content, not web pages
[12:14] <kev0r> Pennywise - Bro Hymn
[12:14] <andreas_> Arnia: Can i please talk to you alone?
[12:14] <kev0r> :P /me hugs
[12:14] <Seveas> Arnia, indeed, but so many people use rellay good CMS'es for nothing but three web pages
[12:14] <Arnia> Seveas: I just wish people used our markup properly. The default plone skin is awful and yet no one seems to significantly customise the CSS
[12:14] <Seveas> :)
[12:15] <Seveas> than make a better default ;)
[12:15] <Arnia> Seveas: www.netalleynetworks.com shows a small CSS-only customisation
[12:15] <scizzo> CMS?
[12:15] <andreas_> Arnia: Please direct me to Plone scins
[12:15] <andreas_> skins
[12:15] <Arnia> I hate all cookie-cutter site designs :p
[12:15] <Arnia> andreas_: PM me
[12:15] <kev0r> haha installing programs onder linux with apt-get is so much faster then under windows
[12:15] <Arnia> I'll find them
[12:16] <andreas_> Arnia: What`s your mail?
[12:16] <Seveas> kev0r, and think about uninstalling :)
[12:16] <kev0r> apt-get uninstall? :P
[12:16] <Arnia> andreas_: Are you using MSN?
[12:16] <Seveas> Arnia, n-a-n.com doesnt even look like plone, nice customization :)
[12:17] <Seveas> kev0r, indeed, so much better compared to winshit registry crap
[12:17] <andreas_> Arnia: Gaim, yes.
[12:17] <andreas_> On the Msn protocol
[12:17] <Dreamer3> is it possible to revert back to warty after a hoary upgradE?
[12:17] <kev0r> yea that blows chunx in tah box
[12:17] <kev0r> and backing up...
[12:17] <kev0r> omg
[12:17] <kev0r> *burn* done :)
[12:17] <Arnia> Seveas: We were responsible for the Plone 2 markup, the accessibility, the ability to use CSS to customise it all etc
[12:17] <Seveas> Dreamer3, not an easy way....
[12:17] <kev0r> only the .XXX folders
[12:17] <andreas_> Must do the dishes
[12:17] <kev0r> and all ur p0rn is backed up ;)
[12:18] <cusco> how about this one: http://www.csszengarden.com/
[12:18] <Seveas> wow 2 days?
[12:18] <cusco> you can choose the skin on the menu at the right
[12:18] <Seveas> how crappy is your b/w :)
[12:18] <Dreamer3> Seveas: modem
[12:18] <Dreamer3> so i'm scared stiff to install
[12:18] <Arnia> cusco: Well, its not using the Plone markup ;)
[12:18] <Arnia> cusco: That means the CSS isn't going to style Plone very well
[12:19] <Dreamer3> trying to imagine in advance what i know will break
[12:19] <Dreamer3> things in /usr/local will likely still work fine, right?
[12:19] <Seveas> yes
[12:20] <andreas_> Arnia: How d o i start plone after having apt`ed it?
[12:20] <cusco> actually I dunno plone :(
[12:21] <Arnia> Developing a CMS using all the modularisation power of Zope3 now... which is quite cool (nay, very cool)
[12:21] <rjb> mhhh how come didn't the installer ask any questions about setting up the bootloader..?
[12:21] <Arnia> andreas_: Create a zope instance
[12:22] <andreas_> Arnia: Ehh??
[12:22] <Arnia> andreas_: Plone is a set of components for Z2
[12:22] <andreas_> Arnia: So i need to do what?
[12:22] <Arnia> andreas_: To set up Plone you create a zope instance (mkzope2.7instance) somewhere
[12:23] <Arnia> andreas_: You then start that zope instance
[12:23] <Fikrann> Hello
[12:23] <Dreamer3> so it's mostly my custom xorg-dri setup with manual moficiation to the system then i gots to worry about trashing?
[12:23] <Dreamer3> joy
[12:23] <andreas_> Arnia: Well... Do i have to install Zope? Is that what you`re saying?
[12:23] <Arnia> andreas_: You then log in to your new Zope site (http://localhost:8080/ usually) and add a Plone site to the site
[12:24] <Arnia> andreas_: Its a dependency, so it should have been installed as well
[12:24] <rjb> ..and how come didn't it report failure to connect to the package repository, when it clearly did fail??
[12:24] <andreas_> Arnia: Please direct me... I have done the apt-get install plone that` s it.
[12:24] <Fikrann> andreas_, check if you have Zope installed as well .. you should have
[12:25] <andreas_> How?
[12:25] <andreas_> Confused
[12:25] <Fikrann> dpkg-query -s zope
[12:26] <andreas_> Package Zope is not installed
[12:26] <andreas_> apt-get install zope?
[12:27] <Fikrann> andreas_, check for zope2.7
[12:27] <Dreamer3> hmmmm
[12:27] <Dreamer3> is gthumb really truly broken in hoary?
[12:27] <tuukkah> does it look like the release candidate is going to be out today?
[12:27] <andreas_> zope2.7 - Open Source Web Application Server
[12:28] <andreas_> Is this the one i am to install?
[12:28] <Arnia> Yes
[12:28] <Fikrann> zope2.7, good.
[12:28] <andreas_> andreas@ubuntu:~ $ sudo apt-get install zope2.7
[12:28] <andreas_> Reading package lists... Done
[12:28] <andreas_> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:28] <andreas_> zope2.7 is already the newest version.
[12:29] <jintxo> Dreamer3, gthumb works ok for me,. except for files with non-stantard characters in their names (like with spanish accents and the such)
[12:29] <ACID|net> hey.  i want to use my laptop on my floor as a wireless media centre until i can actually afford a proper one - but will keeping it on carpet mess it up??
[12:29] <Arnia> In which case, well done... but why aren't you using synaptic?
[12:29] <airox> Hi.
[12:29] <Fikrann> andreas_, btw, you might want to try apt-getting plone-site, it seems that its a metapackage that installs Plone and friends, then configures them for immediate use.
[12:29] <ACID|net> if so what should i do??
[12:29] <airox> Are there kernel-headers for hoary ?
[12:30] <Dreamer3> hmmmmmmmmm
[12:30] <airox> err never mind ;)
[12:30] <andreas_> Fikrann: Thanks! Got it now
[12:30] <Fikrann> andreas_, you're welcome
[12:31] <Dreamer3> sudo apt-get install curl --reinstall (doest that look right)?
[12:31] <Dreamer3> it says: Reinstallation of curl is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[12:31] <Fikrann> By the way .. can anyone tell me if there are any pitfalls (like ethernet, usb not working) when installing Ubuntu on NForce based mobo?
[12:32] <andreas_> Fikrann: When having done that 127.0.0.1 doesn`t get me there
[12:32] <Arnia> andreas_: Port 8080
[12:33] <Fikrann> andreas_, zope by default is using different port, 8080, 9724, can't recall now what is standard.
[12:33] <airox> Does anybody know a lightweight http proxy server that's capable of filtering ?
[12:33] <airox> and altering ...
[12:33] <airox> Besides squid ..
[12:33] <Arnia> 8080 is standard... 9724 is debian
[12:33] <andreas_> Writing "port 8080" in firefox gets me here: http://grc.com/port_8080.htm
[12:34] <Bazzi> andreas_ 127.0.0.1:8080
[12:34] <Fikrann> andreas_, you want to check this addy: http://localhost:8080/
[12:34] <airox> Anybody has good experiences with captive ?
[12:35] <Fikrann> airox, its slow as hell
[12:35] <airox> But is it reliable ?
[12:35] <andreas_> None of them gets me anywhere
[12:35] <airox> Or would making a fat partition be better ?
[12:35] <Fikrann> airox, I think so.
[12:35] <Fikrann> airox, i.e. I think it is reliable
[12:35] <airox> Ok.
[12:36] <Fikrann> I've installed it on few different machines, noone have yet reported problems.
[12:36] <airox> Nice!
[12:37] <Fikrann> On the other hand, owners use windoze on these machines mostly to print and scan stuff .. Lexmark be triple-cursed.
[12:37] <Tigolbidies> What's the best distro there is?
[12:37] <Tigolbidies> Ubuntu?
[12:37] <Zevin> anyone have any luck with the nvidia drivers on a zv5000 series laptop?
[12:37] <Zevin> yeap
[12:37] <Zevin> Ubuntu all the way
[12:37] <Tigolbidies> hell yeha
[12:37] <Fikrann> Tigolbidies, that depends on who you ask.
[12:37] <Arnia> Tigolbidies: not the best place to go for unbiased opinion ;)
[12:38] <Fikrann> By the way .. can anyone tell me if there are any pitfalls (like ethernet, usb not working) when installing Ubuntu on NForce based mobo?
[12:38] <rjb> yeaahhh no network on BCM5700 :(
[12:38] <Dreamer3> ok, if i have backports (like grepmap) taht are critical to the sytem (i'm assuming) but the same version as hoary how can i tell apt to replace those with the hoary version?
[12:38] <rjb> funny that ifconfig reports eth0 is up and running
[12:39] <rjb> and reports nonzero numbers for RX/TX
[12:39] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3: it will do it automatically if the version number is higher
[12:39] <rjb> but i still can't ping any host on my LAN
[12:39] <Tigolbidies> wow ubunto is only a 1 cd install
[12:39] <Zevin> fikrann: not that i know of. i'm using an nForce4 mobo, and eth,usb,wifi all work
[12:39] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: the version #'s are the same, but i want to make sure i have the .debs from hoary
[12:39] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3: I wouldn
[12:40] <Burgundavia> worry abou tit
[12:40] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3: if the version numbers are the same, then they should be the same package
[12:40] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: you'd THINK so, but i'd rather be sure
[12:40] <Zevin> how can i download the old 6111 nvidia drivers?
[12:40] <Fikrann> Zevin, thanks. Its an old nForce2 box, but its the first time I have something to do with nVidia's chipset.
[12:40] <rjb> hey, any1 here had to deal w/the BCM5700?
[12:40] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: being overly paranois sometimes has saved my day
[12:40] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3: if they aren't, then the people who are doing the backports need to smarten up
[12:41] <Zevin> Fikrann: yeah, np.
[12:41] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3: if you change a package, you should change the version number
[12:41] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3: if all you do it build it, then you don't need to
[12:41] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: well, i'm not betting on anything :)
[12:41] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: though i totally understand your logic :)
[12:42] <azad> mornin'
[12:42] <azad> how to rar something?
[12:42] <Tigolbidies> gzip?
[12:42] <Tigolbidies> -r maybe
[12:43] <Burgundavia> azad: rar is non-free
[12:43] <Burgundavia> azad: if you are creating an archive, use straight zip or gzip
[12:43] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: ah, aptitude can handle it :)
[12:43] <azad> hm kay
[12:43] <azad> thanks
[12:43] <Burgundavia> azad: if you really want to rar, there is a rar non-free in the mulitverse
[12:44] <azad> no.. doesn't matter
[12:44] <azad> how to select the output folder?
[12:45] <Zevin> #flonee
[12:45] <Zevin> you around flonne?
[12:46] <MrBrightside> Today is a good day, to die.
[12:47] <Dreamer3> ok, i should do this upgrade from the console?
[12:48] <MrBrightside> what do you guys think of Gentoo linux?
[12:49] <Fikrann> Dreamer3, if you are using GNOME and the upgrade includes some GNOME libs/binaries, its best to run the upgrade from console.
[12:50] <sml> hi
[12:50] <MaRk-I> hi all and help!!!!
[12:50] <sml> there are plenty of people here to help - 421! my first time here and I am amazed!
[12:50] <Fikrann> MrBrightside, the idea behind Gentoo is good but the system is not. Too many things break and/or work partially.
[12:51] <sml> i spent the weekend trying to install gentoo on a ppc - what a waste of time!
[12:51] <MaRk-I> 3 days and my eth0 wont connect to internet any ideas??? (i checked forums and there was something about editing dhclient.conf for a missing comma but there was no "interface-mtu")
[12:51] <sml> have you tried the ipconfig command?
[12:52] <MaRk-I> hhmm no
[12:52] <azad> ipconfig?
[12:52] <MaRk-I> what would that do??
[12:52] <sml> who could help with some screen resolution questions on a ppc?
[12:52] <Fikrann> sml, I've installed Gentoo on various boxens, including PPC and SPARC.
[12:53] <ACID|net>  i want to use my laptop on my floor (carpet) as a wireless media centre until i can actually afford a proper one - but will keeping it on carpet mess it up??  Cause it to overheat - if so what should i put it on??
[12:53] <griffith> anyone here got any experience with msi rs480 mb (based on the ati xpress 200 chipset) on ubuntu?
[12:53] <Fikrann> sml, I found out that the amount of work required to get that system running greatly outweights any advantages it might have.
[12:53] <Jimbob> Anyone know why the stock ubuntu kernel would have it's ata/1 process spike at 100% CPU?
[12:54] <Jimbob> (2.6.10-5, that is)
[12:54] <sml> sorry - ifconfig!!
[12:54] <Fikrann> Jimbob, what chipset?
[12:55] <Jimbob> P4+HT, ICH5
[12:55] <Jimbob> Sorry, "ata/0" process
[12:55] <sml> Fikrann ... wow .. interesting to hear ... i tried working through the process with 2005.0 and must have messed up some steps! :(
[12:56] <Fikrann> sml, I've stopped installing new Gentoo in favour of Ubuntu }:>
[12:56] <sml> i thought you said gentoo had great advantages? why did you go to ubuntu?
[12:58] <jme> Hello everybody
[12:59] <Dreamer3> any last warning before upgrading to hoary?
[12:59] <Dreamer3> i've put my system back in as pristine a shape as i think i could
[12:59] <sml> i have an Apple eMac running very smoothly with Ubuntu - however the screen res is 1024x768. I am trying to increase to 1280x1024 - who could help?
[12:59] <malte`> are the repos already in the RC state?
[01:00] <Dreamer3> malte`: i dunno
[01:00] <Dreamer3> malte`: if not, darn close
[01:00] <griffith> please help. I've got a new mb and want to install ubuntu on my system. but when I try to install or run the live cd my usb mouse and keyboard dosen't work
[01:01] <rjb> well ok, bye bye ubuntu ;) hoary sure isn't ready to be installed on a server..
[01:01] <griffith> I've got them working before on my old system with ubuntu
[01:01] <Dreamer3> rjb: why?
[01:01] <resiak> griffith: Try enabling usb kb+mouse support in your bios
[01:01] <rjb> cu in a couple months, maybe ;)
[01:01] <griffith> so I guess it's something with the mb
[01:01] <Dreamer3> rjb: and of course, it's not even released!
[01:01] <griffith> allready done that
[01:01] <Dreamer3> :)
[01:02] <rjb> Dreamer3: deb unstable has been working for me for several years now :)
[01:02] <Dreamer3> rjb: well, stay with that then
[01:02] <MaRk-I> 3 days and my eth0 wont connect to internet any ideas??? (i checked forums and there was something about editing dhclient.conf for a missing comma but there was no "interface-mtu")
[01:02] <black_nightmare> hey there
[01:03] <Dreamer3> rjb: no one should need to switch from debian unless they just want the cool or "preconfigured" factor... and honestly apps are faster due to how they linked them (i noticed comin from sarge)
[01:03] <rjb> i would but the current installer doesn't support the NIC on my new box
[01:03] <griffith> usb kb+mouse is enabled in my bios
[01:03] <black_nightmare> any of you mind telling me where grub.conf is?
[01:03] <ruffian> Is there a shortcut to Terminal?
[01:03] <Dreamer3> ouch 84mb of stuff changed :(
[01:03] <malte`> anyone here is using Kubuntu?
[01:03] <rjb> Dreamer3: but ubuntu's doesn't, either
[01:03] <malte`> i'd like to install it on my parents' pc
[01:04] <resiak> griffith: Is there any particular reason you don't feel like prefixing your answer with my name so that I notice what you said?
[01:04] <resiak> griffith: Not that I have any further ideas, but.
[01:04] <black_nightmare> hm...anyone?
[01:04] <Fikrann> black_nightmare, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:04] <black_nightmare> ty fik
[01:05] <Dreamer3> sheesh, and not even pushed to the mirros yet
[01:06] <griffith> sorry resiak. how do you do that?
[01:07] <resiak> griffith: Does that really deserve an answer?
[01:08] <griffith> resiak: no
[01:08] <resiak> griffith: But for what it's worth, try typing the first letter or two of someone's nick, then pressing tab.
[01:08] <resiak> griffith: :)
[01:08] <griffith> resiak, thanks
[01:08] <black_nightmare> fik..if I had to add 'ACPI=off' it wouldn't matter if it was at the end of the text file or is there specific location?
[01:09] <black_nightmare> I have random shutdown error...seem to be related to acpi so
[01:09] <griffith> resiak, do you think I'm the only user trying to get a ati xpress 200 chipset work with ubuntu?
[01:09] <Fikrann> black_nightmare, you need to put it in the kernel parameter line.
[01:09] <resiak> griffith: Not a problem. You'll find that people you're talking to notice you answering more quickly. WRT your USB problem -- I have no other ideas, except plugging in a ps/2 keyboard. No, I doubt you're the only one :)
[01:09] <black_nightmare> fik....umm where?
[01:10] <corza> can someone help me out with samba and printer sharing?
[01:11] <Fikrann> black_nightmare, add it to a line like this one: kernel          /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 resume2=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash
[01:11] <griffith> black_nightmare, I guess I'll have to try to find a adapter then
[01:11] <griffith> black_nightmare, but shouldn't it be able to work anyway?
[01:12] <airox> Is there some way to run a command as root and allow to give the maximum of cpu time to be given ??
[01:13] <snowblink> airox: man nice
[01:13] <black_nightmare> fik...there's several of these lines but then anyhow..I would have to add my line just before the 'savedefault' step I take it?
[01:14] <airox> snowblink: Thanks!
[01:14] <black_nightmare> hey once again airox :
[01:14] <black_nightmare> :p
[01:14] <Fikrann> black_nightmare, these lines correspond to what you see on screen during bootup. So choose the one you're using.
[01:14] <black_nightmare> fik..ughh the first one would be the default one?
[01:14] <Fikrann> Most probably
[01:15] <black_nightmare> hmm so I'll add 'ACPI=off' to the end of the kerenl line?
[01:15] <black_nightmare> or somewhere else
[01:15] <Fikrann> yes
[01:16] <Mikee> hi, I have 4gb freespace and 512 mb of ram, how should i partition this space?
[01:16] <black_nightmare> "kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash ACPI=off" ... I guess thats correct now wouldn't it?
[01:17] <Fikrann> Mikee, one 4GB Reiserfs/XFS partition, plus swapfile on it if you really need that much vram.
[01:17] <pvanhoof> How come there isn't a  "/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/build" ?
[01:17] <pvanhoof> and which package would provide it
[01:17] <pvanhoof> or, how can I build it from source?
[01:17] <Dreamer31> ok, rutgers is being slow now
[01:18] <Dreamer31> so i need another good us mirror
[01:18] <Dreamer31> is is there a generic us server?
[01:18] <black_nightmare> hm...fik? :p
[01:18] <Fikrann> pvanhoof, kernel-headers should be the package you want.
[01:18] <pvanhoof> Fikrann, well, thats a virtual package
[01:18] <Fikrann> black_nightmare, yes, though I'd move acpi=off before 'quiet splash'
[01:18] <pvanhoof> however, there isn't version for the current kernel
[01:18] <black_nightmare> ok one second
[01:19] <Mikee> Fikrann i heard , if i have different partition for my files and my system, my sys will be faster
[01:19] <Fikrann> pvanhoof, that I can't help you with.
[01:19] <airox> I want to compile rivatv and installed the linux-headers-2.6.10-5. However it is complaining about that it cannot find the headers. Do I have to symlink something ?
[01:19] <black_nightmare> "kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro ACPI=off quiet splash" hope thats it
[01:20] <Fikrann> Mikee, if you really have only 4GB for Linux, go for one partition. Any other setup will simply waste your disk space needlessly.
[01:20] <Mikee> thx
[01:22] <Dreamer31> can you do dist-upgrade from inside aptitude?
[01:22] <airox> Hmm I seem to have solved it with another headers package. Now it says I should use a newer gcc ... But gcc is already the newest version. :(
[01:23] <Fikrann> Dreamer3, no
[01:24] <Dreamer31> darn
[01:24] <black_nightmare> ok...next time I shut down..hope the error doesn't appear now :p
[01:24] <Dreamer31> i need a fast US mirror
[01:24] <Dreamer31> us.archive.ubuntu.org seems slow too
[01:25] <Guerin> Dreamer31: kill the porn torrents
[01:25] <HiddenWolf> Guerin: not stylish
[01:25] <Dreamer31> Guerin: yeah, righ
[01:25] <Fikrann> black_nightmare, remember that this parameter is passed to kernel at boot time, so it'll work only after next boot. Besides, what machine you have? ACPI doesn't work okay on old machines...
[01:26] <black_nightmare> fik...oh ok ty
[01:26] <airox> I have a athlon cpu (NOT xp). Which kernel would be best ? k7 or 686 ?
[01:26] <azad> how to show file size in the console of a file
[01:27] <black_nightmare> yeah mine doesn't seem that much to most people but it works fine for me (slot1 too anyhow) :p
[01:27] <Fikrann> black_nightmare, I see
[01:28] <Fikrann> airox, I think k7
[01:28] <black_nightmare> need figure finding a second ram stick to make this thing a tad faster soon ;)
[01:28] <vixus> Hello... how do I get Ubuntu to run a bash command on boot as root?
[01:29] <kev0r> vixus: go to the System menu, select Preferences, goto Sessions
[01:29] <njan> kev0r, that would be onlogin, not onboot
[01:29] <kev0r> add to startup programs the line you want
[01:29] <njan> kev0r, it also wouldn't run as root
[01:29] <kev0r> it would if you put sudo in front of it
[01:30] <MaRk-I> 3 days and my eth0 wont connect to internet any ideas??? (i checked forums and there was something about editing dhclient.conf for a missing comma but there was no "interface-mtu")
[01:30] <njan> kev0r, then it'd be an interactive command, and would require you to intervene (to enter a password) to get it to work
[01:30] <vixus> kev0r: You'd have to type in the password.
[01:30] <njan> kev0r, besides, you'd need gksudo :)
[01:30] <airox> vixus: Add a script in /etc/init.d and symlink it to the appropriate runlevels
[01:30] <kev0r> idd, was just searching for the graphixal xommand hehhee
[01:30] <kev0r> gksudo it is :)
[01:30] <airox> vixus: contents of the script:#!/bin/sh
[01:30] <vixus> airox: I'm a newbie, so... help me out if possible.
[01:31] <vixus> contents of which script
[01:31] <airox> vixus: Put this in the script:
[01:31] <airox> #!/bin/sh
[01:31] <vixus> ok.
[01:31] <airox> comaand > file
[01:31] <airox> or something like that
[01:31] <vixus> What will that do?
[01:31] <airox> just a plain text file
[01:31] <baran> merhaba
[01:31] <black_nightmare> any of you even used ubuntu's hibernate?
[01:31] <eugenesan> hi all, how do i enable root logins?
[01:31] <airox> black_nightmare: Yep.
[01:32] <airox> vixus: Just check out the /etc/init.d/ dir. There are greate example script in there.
[01:32] <baran> hi all,how r u?
[01:32] <vixus> airox: I put it in the command script? o_O
[01:32] <vixus> airox: Thanks
[01:32] <airox> I can't explain the whole thing unfortunately :(
[01:32] <kev0r> O_o
[01:33] <black_nightmare> airox...yeah well I decided to try it a first time (I didn't want to go through the annoying shutdown beeping but I was quite tired at like 10:40pm with others already ASLEEP so..) and when I came down in the morning I noticed the power light was off that I was wondering if there was something wrong so...I turned it on waiting for the worse but then instead.....
[01:33] <black_nightmare> it kinda surprised me... it loaded grub as normal but then suddenly my desktop appeared ... none of the kernel loading or ubuntu startup :)
[01:33] <black_nightmare> I got to love that lol
[01:33] <airox> :)
[01:33] <airox> suspend to disk or ram ?
[01:33] <black_nightmare> airxo...dunno but I'll tell you..when I came down in morning..the psu was off....that what kinda worried me for a second
[01:33] <vixus> airox: Which one is the example =D
[01:33] <topyli> how sad. a colleague: "topyli, do you have any good templates for our department's working papers series?" me: "sure, a latex template." her: "oh, i use word." me: "for such large and complex documents?" her: "what's latex?"
[01:34] <black_nightmare> but..then I guess yeah it did suspend
[01:34] <airox> vixus: all of them ;)
[01:34] <njan> topyli, you must not work in IT.. I just read that and went 'yeah, and?' :p
[01:34] <airox> black_nightmare: There is suspend to ram (then it will use power) and there is suspend to disk (then it will not use power, called hibernate mostly).
[01:35] <topyli> njan: hehe
[01:35] <black_nightmare> airox..yeah I guess it was the hd (where else could the psu be shutting off heh)
[01:35] <black_nightmare> remind me to use that feature when I need to be away/sleeping for several hours
[01:35] <black_nightmare> :p
[01:35] <airox> :P
[01:35] <vixus> airox: Do I just copy the script to /etc/init.d?
[01:35] <airox> You can even put windows to sleep and bootup linux :)
[01:36] <black_nightmare> lol nah
[01:36] <vixus> airox: You can!!
[01:36] <vixus> airox: how? XD
[01:36] <airox> black_nightmare: When suspending the uptime also stays :)
[01:36] <black_nightmare> airox..so I guess shutdown and hd-hibernate are both full power-off except the latter is quicker to come back up?  (only difference being if you needed to make changes you'll have to use the plain old reboot I take it?)
[01:36] <azad> how to see the size of a file in the console?
[01:37] <black_nightmare> airox...why do people keep bickering about uptime?? it makes no sense to me :
[01:37] <black_nightmare> :|
[01:37] <airox> ;)
[01:37] <airox> black_nightmare: It's just nice to say that your linux machine didn't crashed for over 100 days ;)
[01:37] <airox> (offcourse that example is bad from security view)
[01:38] <black_nightmare> airox....I think thats a bit useless myself
[01:38] <tuukkah> azad, ls -lh
[01:38] <black_nightmare> if it already can do tasks that you open just fine then its already stable
[01:38] <black_nightmare> ;)
[01:38] <airox> Well if you have a server it's very important ;)
[01:38] <njan> airox, some DHCP servers have issues with that
[01:39] <azad> thanks tuukkah
[01:39] <njan> airox, windows doesn't let go of the dhcp lease when it sleeps, and some DHCP servers - especially embedded ones, like linksys routers - will get confused because when linux tries to acquire a dhcp lease and not give it one.
[01:39] <airox> I was pointing to things like webservers etc.
[01:39] <Dreamer32> do i need to be in single user more or any such jaz to dist-upgradE?
[01:39] <njan> airox, just fyi; I've had problems with that before ;)
[01:40] <Dreamer32> *mode
[01:40] <njan> Dreamer32, no.
[01:40] <airox> hehe
[01:40] <Dreamer32> njan: will it work from inside X? :)
[01:40] <airox> Damn! I just did a upgrade off 40MB and right after it I need to do an 56MB upgrade ...
[01:41] <Dreamer3> airox: that won't happen after release
[01:41] <njan> Dreamer32, not only will it work inside X, there's even a graphical client for using apt prettily in X. (synaptic)
[01:41] <Dreamer3> njan: i meant dist-upgrade :)
[01:41] <Dreamer3> njan: should i expect that to work from X as well? :)
[01:41] <airox> Well I don't mind it updating a lot :)
[01:41] <njan> Dreamer32, of course.
[01:42] <airox> But it's strange it that close right after each other.
[01:42] <airox> hehe
[01:42] <airox> Well you do need to reboot in order to use the new kernel offcourse.
[01:43] <njan> yeah. And gnome especially has issues when you start updating bits of it.
[01:43] <black_nightmare> airox...so true
[01:43] <njan> but it'll still 'work', it might just start behaving really strangely, and bits of it may die :p
[01:43] <Dreamer3> well, when they declare RC i think i'm going to upgrade, i'm all prepared
[01:44] <Dreamer3> afj
[01:44] <Dreamer3> afk
[01:44] <njan> Dreamer3, I've uninstalled a compiled version of xfree whilst x was running before now, compiled xorg *in* X, and then ctrl-alt-backspaced out of X, and startx'd into xorg before now ;)
[01:44] <Super400> Ubuntu convert/newbie here <--
[01:44] <njan> heya, Super400 :)
[01:44] <Super400> njan, heya
[01:44] <njan> welcome to ubuntu, Super400; hope you enjoy it ;)
[01:45] <Daehlie> so people in the ##linux channel are convinced that ubuntu is a cult, have I been brainwashed by this distro?
[01:45] <black_nightmare> daehlie...don't listen to stupid people
[01:45] <black_nightmare> fik :p
[01:45] <njan> Daehlie, no. There is no brainwashing. You are fine. Everything is fine. Ubuntu is your friend. You do not want to use other linux distributions.. :p
[01:45] <Super400> njan: whats the g 2.10 mime problem about
[01:45] <black_nightmare> njan LOL :p
[01:46] <Daehlie> i like ubuntu
[01:46] <Daehlie> mmmm
[01:46] <Daehlie> ubuntu
[01:46] <airox> I noticed that there was a device database program in ubuntu the last update. Is there a place where you can view the results of what people inserted or something ?
[01:46] <kresten> Hi! Does anybody know how to install divx?
[01:46] <black_nightmare> is apt-get supposed to be a root command or no?  just wondering
[01:46] <topyli> Daehlie: shall we take you to our leader now?
[01:46] <vixus> Does anyone actually pronounce it "Yewbewntew"?
[01:46] <vixus> I remember someone doing that.
[01:47] <Super400> njan: cant seem too get mp3 playback working iwth rhythmbox and gstreamer .... any ideas ?
[01:47] <Daehlie> well, as a rule I would say no, but for some reason I am compelled to say yes
[01:47] <topyli> hehe
[01:47] <Daehlie> and I don't remember how I got here
[01:47] <airox> :)
[01:47] <black_nightmare> anyone?
[01:47] <Daehlie> yes
[01:47] <Daehlie> apt-get is root
[01:47] <njan> Super400, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:48] <black_nightmare> ah ok ty
[01:48] <airox> Is `apt-get source` also only root ?
[01:49] <black_nightmare> could someone verify  something for me?
[01:49] <black_nightmare> it says that 'apt-get gaim-encryption' is error
[01:49] <topyli> airox: i guess not if you don't apt-get source --build
[01:49] <njan> black_nightmare, apt-get install
[01:49] <black_nightmare> but someone told me to get that
[01:49] <black_nightmare> oh DUH
[01:50] <black_nightmare> jeeze...sorry lol
[01:50] <njan> black_nightmare, :)
[01:50] <Daehlie> you need an arguement telling apt what to do
[01:50] <black_nightmare> shut up!!! lol
[01:50] <njan> black_nightmare, happens to the best of us :p
[01:50] <black_nightmare> jeeze....I'm still sooo 'begineer' :p
[01:50] <black_nightmare> njan...yeah yeah ok
[01:50] <Daehlie> beginner
[01:51] <black_nightmare> :p
[01:51] <Daehlie> ./me is third person, no "my" allowed =P
[01:52] <black_nightmare> how could I check if I have something installed or not from terminal?
[01:52] <Daehlie> daehlie 2, black_nightmare 0
[01:52] <black_nightmare> or do I have to open up synaptic fo rthat?
[01:52] <vixus> ma me ma mo, ma moo ma mey... Singing off kwy....
[01:52] <topyli> ooh. this channel is going to be _so_ "correct" ;)
[01:52] <petemc> black_nightmare: dpkh -l|grep your_search_term
[01:52] <petemc> dpkg -l
[01:52] <airox> black_nightmare: dpkg --get-selections | grep <whateveryouneed>
[01:52] <airox> -l ? cool :)
[01:52] <black_nightmare> it says command not found petemc
[01:52] <vixus> airox: -l list
[01:52] <petemc> i corrected myself
[01:52] <black_nightmare> airox...let me try that one
[01:53] <black_nightmare> oh ok
[01:53] <corza> what is the mozilla-firefox path?
[01:53] <vixus> corza... it's in bin somewhere.
[01:53] <topyli> corza: who wants to know? a plugin installer?
[01:53] <black_nightmare> hmm if it returns me to the prompt again with no further text this means I wouldn't have it?
[01:53] <corza> topyli: no gmail
[01:54] <corza> topyli: i'm installing a notifier
[01:54] <black_nightmare> anyone?
[01:54] <vixus> Hey, is there a way to get ogre3d working on ubuntu?
[01:54] <mkjp> ?
[01:54] <topyli> corza: the executable is in /usr/bin, the rest is in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox or something like that
[01:55] <black_nightmare> someone want to explain this to me?? ....
[01:55] <black_nightmare> Package acroread is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[01:55] <black_nightmare> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[01:55] <black_nightmare> is only available from another source
[01:55] <black_nightmare> E: Package acroread has no installation candidate
[01:55] <black_nightmare> *sighs*
[01:55] <airox> black_nightmare: Added multiverse and universe ?
[01:55] <topyli> not much to explain there :)
[01:55] <black_nightmare> airox..how do I do that in terminal now?
[01:56] <airox> black_nightmare: vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:56] <vixus> black_nightmare: Use the Synaptic package manager elsewise.
[01:56] <black_nightmare> deb hoary universe is already uncommented (did that before for synaptic)
[01:56] <mkjp> or kynaptic
[01:57] <black_nightmare> so any idea about apt-get not finding reader?
[01:57] <njan> black_nightmare, afaik, you have to download and install the binary for acroread
[01:57] <airox> You don't have to afaik.
[01:57] <njan> black_nightmare, I don't think it's distributed under licensing which allows you to package it for installation, and the latest version of it is too new to be packaged anyway
[01:58] <topyli> black_nightmare: marillat has acroread 5
[01:58] <topyli> adobe has acroread 7
[01:58] <njan> airox, sure? I haven't touched acroread with apt, but iirc, portage made me download the binary separately because of license restrictions..
[01:58] <black_nightmare> so you saying acroread is in the repositiories for nothing?
[01:58] <airox> njan: If marrillat has it I got it from there :/
[01:58] <njan> airox, fair enough :)
[01:58] <njan> if it's there, it's there.. I have 7 installed direct from binary anyway..
[01:59] <topyli> but acroread 5 is no better than xpdf anyway
[01:59] <black_nightmare> let me see if acroread-plugin even exists then....
[01:59] <black_nightmare> how do you quit vim anyhow?
[02:00] <topyli> black_nightmare: ESC, then :wq (to save & quit)
[02:00] <mkjp> how mount drivers???
[02:00] <black_nightmare> I think there's something strange going on
[02:00] <black_nightmare> root@ubuntu:/home/ubuntuboy # dpkg -l|grep acroread-plugin
[02:00] <black_nightmare> root@ubuntu:/home/ubuntuboy #
[02:00] <black_nightmare> it doesn't even have that neither :|
[02:01] <topyli> black_nightmare: it goes hand in hand with the reader, so C. Marillat is the keeper of the plugin as well
[02:01] <topyli> Keeper of the Plugin
[02:02] <black_nightmare> bastard...hm....guess at least I think I might have noticed ubuntu installing xpdf......but I wonder why its not in the applications list
[02:03] <airox> Why can marrilat have acroread and the ubuntu repositories can't btw ?
[02:03] <topyli> christian has Balls
[02:03] <black_nightmare> any of you know if its possible to have a helper program being hidden from the applications list?
[02:03] <Fikrann> airox, acroread is highly proprietary and not very good.
[02:03] <black_nightmare> I think I'm sure ubuntu installed xpdf when it was installing itself
[02:04] <Fikrann> airox, use various free pdf viewers. xpdf, kpdf etc etc.
[02:04] <topyli> black_nightmare: you don't need xpdf in the menus. you rarely want to look at an empty xpdf :)
[02:04] <black_nightmare> topy...what do you mean?  isn't it easier to load program then open the file sometimes?
[02:04] <black_nightmare> and what if I want to look at any preferences?
[02:04] <black_nightmare> :p
[02:04] <topyli> it is?
[02:05] <topyli> when?
[02:05] <Fikrann> black_nightmare, xpdf has no preferences.
[02:05] <njan> Fikrann, it's not Free, but acroread7 is actually a fair bit faster than gpdf or xpdf, and a whole lot better; xpdf basically treats pdf files as bitmaps, which makes redraws really slow, and it has no support for comment tracking or DRM, which obviously acroread7 has.
[02:05] <black_nightmare> remind me of the time I figured out that loading java before opening a game that needs it was quite a lot faster than java trying to open itself and the game loading at the same time
[02:05] <black_nightmare> but then..anyhow that was on two windows computers
[02:05] <njan> Fikrann, I'd far rather use xpdf than acroread, but in terms of functionality, acroread is a whole load better.
[02:06] <Fikrann> njan, I have a whole lot of PDF files that don't work/work terribly in acroread for linux, while looking okay in kpdf.
[02:06] <tuukkah> the new kpdf is cool
[02:06] <waxhead> bzflag is cool fun... pity I get hammered in it
[02:06] <topyli> waxhead: sorry about that :)
[02:06] <khj> Hi everybody! Do you guys know how to setup divx?
[02:06] <njan> Fikrann, I can't comment on kpdf, I've never used it. acroread 5, or acroread 7?
[02:07] <njan> khj, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:07] <waxhead> topyli, how so..
[02:07] <Fikrann> njan, don't know, but I guess 5.
[02:07] <njan> Fikrann, 5 is terrible; try 7.
[02:07] <Fikrann> njan, I stopped using acroread some time ago.
[02:07] <topyli> waxhead: i thought i could fool you into thinking we've just met on the servers :)
[02:07] <njan> Fikrann, 7 actually has gtk widgets, and therefore doesn't look like some monster from the tarpits on my desktop. And as mentioned, it is better than gpdf or xpdf.
[02:08] <waxhead> topyli, I'd have been surprised, given I don't use the same call sign..
[02:08] <jme> Hello,
[02:08] <topyli> imposter
[02:08] <waxhead> topyli, and the action is so feirce that I'm not sure how you'd find time to message... barely get time to figure out what's going on
[02:09] <jme> I need some help, whne i tries to install some software i have this error Des erreurs ont t rencontres pendant l'excution:
[02:09] <jme>  samba
[02:09] <jme> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:09] <jme>  does someone know what is wrong?
[02:09] <topyli> waxhead: true. i never was a great bzflag success. or q3a. or armagetron. or... :(
[02:09] <waxhead> anyone got bluetooth working in ubuntu?
[02:09] <waxhead> I can seem to connect (bind) and the file transfer thing says it's ready, but how do I do it?
[02:11] <khj> njan, Thanks. I'm looking into it now.
[02:11] <elcu> What's the difference b/n 2-6 and 2-7 packages here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg/
[02:13] <topyli> elcu: somebody wasn't happy with the -6 packages, so they were fixed and a new build was made
[02:13] <waxhead> anyone else not able to resolve www.google.com.au?
[02:13] <njan> james@anubis ~/Desktop $ host google.com.au
[02:13] <njan> google.com.au has address 216.239.57.104
[02:13] <njan> google.com.au has address 216.239.59.104
[02:13] <njan> google.com.au has address 216.239.39.104
[02:14] <elcu> topyli: thanks.  so i should go for the 2-7s?
[02:14] <usual> works here
[02:14] <njan> james@anubis ~/Desktop $ host www.google.com.au
[02:14] <njan> www.google.com.au is an alias for www.google.com.
[02:14] <Fikrann> elcu, yes
[02:14] <topyli> elcu: just do apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and see what it suggests
[02:15] <topyli> no need to browse the repositories
[02:15] <waxhead> that's a surprise I have to install traceroute
[02:15] <elcu> topyli: actually there is.  i don't have a net connection under ubuntu, so i'm copying them over.
[02:15] <waxhead> can anyone get to google currently?
[02:15] <topyli> elcu: oh, well then
[02:16] <usual> i can
[02:16] <black_nightmare> is 'apt-get update' the same as the 'system updates' icon from close to the clock?
[02:16] <glyne> hello
[02:16] <elcu> fikrann: righto.
[02:16] <EricNeon> hi~
[02:16] <MaRk-I> waxhead: yes
[02:16] <topyli> black_nightmare: not sure. the update-notifier is a userspace program, it shouldn't be able to actually apt-get update
[02:17] <glyne> which x server is running on Hoary ? Xorg or Xfree86 ?
[02:17] <topyli> xorg
[02:17] <black_nightmare> oh hm ok
[02:17] <hyphenated> can someone tell me what the current release name and version is? I'm confused by hoary and warty and 4.10 and 5.04 ...
[02:17] <MaRk-I> what a headache
[02:17] <hyphenated> (even after checking thru the website)
[02:17] <black_nightmare> let me see what 'apt-get update' brings (since I just already did a system updates yesterday night lol
[02:17] <topyli> black_nightmare: then again, there may be a system daemon on the background, and the notifier just queries that daemon
[02:18] <khj> Is there an easy-to-install video package that includes divx avi support?
[02:18] <glyne> khj : try mplayer
[02:18] <topyli> (15:07:00) njan: khj, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:19] <Fikrann> khj, you'll find Xine easier to use.
[02:19] <black_nightmare> ahh 'apt-get update' actually just updates the repositiores/etc for apt-get
[02:19] <black_nightmare> go figure..seperate things I guess
[02:20] <topyli> black_nightmare: apt-get update still needs to be run as root
[02:20] <glyne> where can i find the drivers of the ATI RADEON IGP 340M working with xorg?
[02:20] <Fikrann> glyne, on Ati's website?
[02:21] <black_nightmare> I knew that already topyli :p
[02:21] <glyne> i try to use the framebuffer but it doesnt work :/
[02:21] <black_nightmare> what is 'apt-get upgrade' anyhow?
[02:21] <petemc> man apt-get
[02:21] <topyli> black_nightmare: i'm just saying, the notifier can't do that because it's a user process. so there has to be a daemon with more privileges on the background
[02:21] <Fikrann> black_nightmare, it upgrades your system to new release. Usually not needed.
[02:22] <black_nightmare> fik..ah ok
[02:22] <topyli> Fikrann: you're talking about dist-upgrade. upgrade doesn't do that
[02:22] <black_nightmare> I never knew of apt-get update thou...will have to keep that in mind
[02:22] <khj> glyne, took a look at mplayer... Does not look easy to me.
[02:23] <Fikrann> topyli, er, yes
[02:23] <black_nightmare> fik..heh sometimes I'm confused too!! :p
[02:23] <topyli> black_nightmare: just install wajig and administer your box with a single command :)
[02:24] <guptan> Why my language is not properly displayed in Ubuntu, whom shall I contact to know more about this issue?
[02:24] <black_nightmare> topyli..what the heck is 'wajig' ?? :p
[02:24] <topyli> black_nightmare: hold on, i'll look up a link for you
[02:24] <Fikrann> guptan, what language is that?
[02:24] <airox> Hmm. It seems the nvidia module isn't loadable when I want to use the 2.6.0-5-k7 kernel. The x.org logfiles sais it can't load the module. What could be the problem ???
[02:24] <black_nightmare> ok
[02:25] <Fikrann> airox, do you have nvidia kernel module properly installed and modprobed?
[02:26] <airox> When I do a modprobe nvidia it sais it can't find the module :S
[02:26] <Fikrann> Then you have your answer.
[02:26] <topyli> black_nightmare: here's a summary. it's a great summary. i wrote it myself. it's great. http://uclinux.info/wiki/index.php/Maintaining_a_Debian_box_with_Wajig
[02:26] <airox> But what could I do to get that module ? Because it was there in 2.6.10-4-386 ...
[02:27] <guptan> Fikrann, its an indic language named "Malayalam"
[02:27] <airox> I have reinstalled several nvidia packages (nvidia-kernel-common, nvidia-glx) but it doesn't seem to work :(
[02:27] <Bazzi-> 128mb dist-upgrade again *sigh*
[02:28] <topyli> Fikrann: perhaps it's not supported by gnome and other upstream projects? if so, you should let them know
[02:28] <Fikrann> airox, you need nvidia-kernel package for your kernel.
[02:28] <topyli> Fikrann: sorry, i mean guptan ^^^
[02:28] <airox> Fikrann: Well ... that package isn't available :(
[02:28] <guptan> Fikrann, ubuntu installs font for it by default, but display and rendering is bad
[02:28] <airox> Should I compile them from source then ?
[02:29] <guptan> topyli, do u think Ubuntu will install a font that is not supported by GNOME?
[02:29] <dockane> when i change my desktop theme from classic to simple, the marked menue entries in firefox get completely white, so the entry itsself is no more readable
[02:29] <Fikrann> guptan, most probably the font is of poor quality .. and/or the characters used in strings are in different encoding than that used by the font.
[02:30] <Super400> njan: thx man that page worked wonders
[02:31] <Bazzi-> is there a tool out there which shows me my current cpu speed on the desktop (pentium m)?
[02:31] <topyli> guptan: could be. perhaps you'd still want to use it in openoffice or mozilla
[02:31] <guptan> Fikrann, what about the rendering engine? is it PANGO?
[02:31] <Super400> njan: any experience with getting nvidia drivers ?
[02:31] <dwa_> Bazzi- yes
[02:31] <dwa_> a gnome applet
[02:31] <Bazzi-> apt-gettable?
[02:31] <black_nightmare> gnome applet....hmm that reminds me...
[02:31] <dockane> Bazzi : its called CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor
[02:31] <black_nightmare> is there like a list of them or not really?
[02:32] <topyli> guptan: anyway, file a bug in the ubuntu bugzilla. the good folks at ubuntu will find out who's to blame :)
[02:32] <Bazzi-> is it packaged (under which name)?
[02:32] <dwa_> Bazzi- : right click on your panel and press add to panel
[02:32] <Fikrann> guptan, How can I know?
[02:32] <dwa_> then look under the C ;)
[02:32] <guptan> topyli, I will do that for sure
[02:32] <dockane> Bazzi : check synaptic packet management if gnome applets are installed, if not install them for CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor
[02:32] <Bazzi-> oh yeah got it already
[02:33] <Bazzi-> thanx
[02:33] <guptan> Fikrann, I was just wondering, who is to be blamed? is it the font or unicode rendering engine?
[02:33] <maddler> morning all
[02:34] <black_nightmare> ah nevermind I found the list in 'add to panel...' :)
[02:34] <dockane> Bazzi, when you click onto that panel, are you able to choose your frequency ?
[02:34] <Fikrann> Bazzi, you might want to use gkrellm and gkx86info plugin .. its much more fun.
[02:34] <Fikrann> not to mention accurate ..
[02:35] <Bazzi-> lol geyes is a cool applet
[02:36] <gnurt> how install ubuntu on exist distro?
[02:36] <Fikrann> guptan, probably there are problems in both!
[02:37] <airox> Bazzi-: checkout torsmo also ;)
[02:37] <kbrooks> gnurt, do you want ubuntu and the existing distro side by side
[02:37] <topyli> gnurt: switching distributions, you should reinstall
[02:38] <guptan> seems like gnurt is bothering everyone with pvt msgs
[02:40] <waxhead> anoyne using evolution and an ldap server?
[02:40] <gnurt> kbrooks, what does "side by side" mean?
[02:40] <black_nightmare> not both for me sorry waxhead
[02:41] <gnurt> topyli, yes switching distro is my choice
[02:41] <waxhead> just wondering if anyone has noticed how slow evo is with the name resoltion with ldap... of if I have something not configured right
[02:41] <topyli> gnurt: means you're going to have to reinstall
[02:42] <topyli> gnurt: wipe out the old system, install the new one. if you have /home on a separate partition, you can save it
[02:43] <gnurt> topyli, ftp install? i have no cdrom on my machine
[02:43] <topyli> gnurt: not sure if ubuntu supports ftp installs
[02:43] <waxhead> ok time for bed... cya
[02:44] <topyli> gnurt: maybe you could install a debian base system and upgrade to full-blown ubuntu
[02:46] <Bazzi-> arrr where can I config torsmo?
[02:47] <Bazzi-> note to self: why not considering reading the man pages?
[02:49] <dockane> i installed the gkrellm package ... where do i find it ?
[02:53] <garrut> dockane: what are you looking for?
[02:53] <gnurt> topyli, thank but i will ask my friend for cdrom
[02:53] <dockane> garrut, i am looking for a working sped step applet
[02:54] <dockane> garrut, the one in the gnome applets does not work
[02:54] <gnurt> topyli, now proz 'ing hoary-preview-install-i386.iso from a mirror
[02:54] <garrut> and gkrellm?
[02:54] <dwa_> dockane : i'm guessing the gnome one and the gkrellm use the same resources
[02:55] <dwa_> so probably the gkrellm one doesn't work either
[02:55] <dwa_> try this: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[02:55] <dwa_> and: cat /proc/cpufreq
[02:56] <dwa_> that is to show you if speedstep is working
[02:56] <topyli> gnurt: that's the best way
[02:56] <BazziM> mmmh
[02:56] <topyli> gnurt: btw, don't /query me, i'm going downtown now
[02:56] <BazziM> I just got my speedstep applet to work ;9
[02:57] <dockane> dwa_, well it works unless i only need for monitoring. (cat /proc/cpufreq works) but the help to the gnome applet says if the list for choosing the right frequency is not shown ask you admin : and here i am
[02:57] <topyli> gnurt: in fact, don't /query anybody before asking, it's rude. i don't mind much, but some people do
[02:58] <dwa_> dockane : ok, didn't know that was your goal
[02:58] <dwa_> try this: apt-get install gnome-cpufreq-applet
[02:59] <dwa_> and add that applet to your panel instead of the build-in one
[02:59] <gnurt> topyli, are i still welcome here?
[03:00] <topyli> gnurt: sure, no problem. just ranting :)
[03:01] <dockane> dwa_, is the old one now overweritten or do i have to take care WHICH one i use ?
[03:01] <dwa_> dockane : no, you can choose between the two
[03:01] <trygvebw> Hi! Does anyone know of a program for Linux that can print CD Labels directly onto special CD's like Lumatrons?
[03:01] <topyli> gnurt: anyway, the cd install will be a breeze. the debian ftp install -> ubuntu upgrade is just "doable"
[03:02] <dwa_> hi garrut
[03:04] <dockane> dwa_, ok done : the icon in the panel has a new look, scaling list on left klick still does not appear :(
[03:05] <dwa_> strange dockane
[03:06] <dockane> dwa_, how do i choose the old one ?
[03:06] <dwa_> and the cat .. commando's i gave were working ok?
[03:06] <dwa_> the old is still in the list
[03:06] <dwa_> under the old name
[03:06] <dockane> dwa_, yes they do work
[03:07] <dwa_> dockane : apt-get install cpufreqd
[03:07] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[03:07] <dockane> dwa_, no : "add panel" gives only one
[03:07] <dwa_> that;s another alternative
[03:07] <dwa_> should give 2
[03:07] <dockane> dwa_, does not
[03:08] <dwa_> mm well now that doesn't really mather now does it ? ;)
[03:08] <dockane> not really
[03:08] <dwa_> you can try the cpufreqd one
[03:09] <dockane> dwa_, i even wouldnt have taken care about this applet if it scaled my cpufrequency right for mobile usage. but it went on with full / nearly full frequency
[03:10] <Lightboy> just wondering whats the latest warty kernel
[03:10] <trygvebw> 2.6.8, i think
[03:10] <Lightboy> coz i would like the latest one and its headers for an amd64-k8
[03:10] <trygvebw> ahhh
[03:13] <Lightboy> is there a way i can find the latest kernel?
[03:13] <Bizzeh> svn
[03:14] <Bizzeh> check out svn://svn.reactos.com/trunk/reactos with any svn app
[03:17] <blackfeet> hi
[03:18] <Bizzeh> woops
[03:18] <Bizzeh> wrong channel
[03:18] <blackfeet> does anybody know something about jack and ubuntu?
[03:19] <garrut> my uncle jack? he runs windows..
[03:19] <blackfeet> garrut: nearly the sound server jack
[03:20] <dwa_> jack the ripper?
[03:20] <dwa_> jack the dvd ripper
[03:20] <garrut> no he's dead
[03:20] <blackfeet> dwa_: also nearly, the sound server
[03:22] <dwa_> blackfeet : sorry don't know anything about jack the sound server
[03:23] <{joey}> aweh
[03:23] <garrut> jaweh?
[03:23] <dwa_> aweh?
[03:23] <blackfeet> dwa_: np, i only wantet to know if they want to implement it as standard, because i have troubles with the sound (non-esd programms like skype)
[03:24] <dockane> are there any knwon problems wit crystal sound chips in thinkpads and integrated mics ? everything works fine regarding sound but no the integrated mic (thinkpad t21)
[03:24] <dwa_> blackfeet : did you try alsa with dmix?
[03:24] <delire> blackfeet: i tend to turn off esd
[03:24] <delire> dockane: ouch, you're still going with that..
[03:24] <Simira> jdub: ping
[03:24] <delire> dockane: so there's simply no input on the microphone
[03:25] <dockane> delire, yes
[03:25] <blackfeet> delire: yes, if i have a problem i turn also off
[03:25] <blackfeet> dwa_: alsa and dmix?
[03:25] <delire> dockane: ouch.. any erros? did you turn up IGain in alsamixer?
[03:26] <delire> blackfeet: ok, and does that work?
[03:26] <dockane> delire, alsamixer did not came up after apt-get
[03:26] <dockane> derlire , should i try it again ?
[03:26] <delire> dockane: right, but did it install?
[03:26] <blackfeet> delire: yes, but than i'm not able to play 2 sounds at the same time
[03:26] <dockane> delire, yes
[03:26] <delire> dockane: try it again. also try installing 'alsaconf' this can sometimes fix any weirdness
[03:27] <delire> blackfeet: ahah, you mean xmms playing music and another program playing sound as well?
[03:27] <blackfeet> delire: yes
[03:27] <delire> blackfeet: this is a known problem with non-multichannel sound cards
[03:28] <delire> blackfeet: the way sound is done in linux doesn't allow multiple sound applications to use the card. this is what ALSA is for
[03:28] <dockane> delire, the interesting thing is soon get an accoustic feedback when in play with pcm output and mic input volume
[03:29] <blackfeet> delire: isn't alsa standard in ubuntu?
[03:29] <delire> blackfeet: are you using ALSA? go to a terminal and type 'lsmod | grep snd' and see if there are any drivers listed there with 'snd' in the name. these will be ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture) drivers
[03:29] <delire> blackfeet: i think so, we just have to find out if you're using it.
[03:30] <delire> dockane: hmm, well that's a start. you don't see the record meter rise in audacity or another recording application?
[03:30] <blackfeet> delire: yes, i found some things with lsmod | grep snd
[03:30] <blackfeet> delire: but not every programm can use alsa, some need the oss like skype, and i can't use 2 from that at the same time
[03:31] <delire> blackfeet: ok good that alsa is there. what is your sound card?
[03:32] <blackfeet> delire: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
[03:33] <dockane> delire, what do you mean ? producing a accoustic feedback and watching the record meter ?
[03:33] <carambol> how i cange in xchat Show servers list?
[03:33] <carambol> *change
[03:33] <delire> dockane: just while attempting any sound input..
[03:34] <carambol> iam disabled it, but want it back
[03:34] <delire> blackfeet: yeah, that's not a multi-channel card. do you really need to applications with sound ouput at the same time?
[03:34] <dockane> delire, record meter is flat when testing the mic. i do not have the possiblity to check any other input.
[03:35] <blackfeet> delire: hehe, for that reason i asked what about jack
[03:35] <delire> blackfeet: jackit.sf.net is good, but only for programs that use it
[03:36] <delire> dockane: have you tried to run 'alsaconf'? it may be that your mic does not have an entry in /etc/modules.conf. alsaconf will write this correctly for you.
[03:36] <delire> dockane: at least a correct entry ..
[03:36] <delire> blackfeet: is that what you mean when you say 'jack'?
[03:37] <delire> blackfeet: i use 'jack' often for making music, i don't think skype supports it. xmms does however.
[03:38] <blackfeet> delire: yes, i mean this jack, mom
[03:38] <delire> blackfeet: ;)
[03:38] <delire> blackfeet: what are the two applications you want to mix/connect?
[03:39] <pat910> I just got Hoary installed, I have no sound, Box is an older ibm which says it has 'soundblaster' onboard... what's my steps to troubleshoot/fix sound?
[03:39] <njan> This is really odd.. I've changed sources.list on a warty machine to hoary and I'm dist-upgrading it.. and consistently, every time it gets to downloading the sears-media package, the kernel gives input/output errors for *EVERYTHING*.. the entire machine just needs hard rebooting, because it's effectively dead...
[03:39] <delire> dockane: FYI because alsaconf will want to write to a file outside of /home/dockane you'll need to be root.
[03:40] <delire> pat910: type 'lsmod | grep snd' see anything?
[03:40] <blackfeet> delire: it's not a big problem at time, but i want to know in general what about ubuntu and sound
[03:40] <delire> pat910: we have to find if the drivers are loaded.
[03:40] <Montagh> i had a similar thing with warty, i entered sb somehwere in a config file that fixed it
[03:40] <delire> pat910: 'lsmod' == list modules
[03:41] <blackfeet> delire: but for example if i turn skype off, my gaim has no sound ;(
[03:41] <blackfeet> delire: oh sry of cause if i turn esd off
[03:41] <delire> pat910: if in doubt 'apt-get install alsaconfig' and then run it.
[03:41] <delire> blackfeet: no problem. make sure ESD is off always. it gets in the way.
[03:41] <pat910> lsmod .. nothing
[03:42] <delire> pat910: alsaconf == Advanced Linux Sound Architectute Configurator
[03:42] <blackfeet> delire: but i want to have sound in gaim
[03:42] <delire> pat910: right. install the above package i mentioned.
[03:42] <pat910> k
[03:42] <maggi> here is the deal. I just recently typed apt-get dist-upgrade the other day, and it went well. Except that I can not change resolution anymore. It always stays at 640X480. How do I fix this?
[03:43] <Fackamato> add them to your x config
[03:43] <Fackamato> (the other resolutions you want)=
[03:43] <dockane> delire , what does "FYI"
[03:43] <dockane> *mean
[03:43] <delire> blackfeet: you should have sound in gaim... how annoying for you. FYI == for your information
[03:43] <maggi> how do I aproach x config?
[03:43] <delire> maggi: to edit it?
[03:44] <maggi> yes
[03:44] <pat910> says it's install .. but calls it alsa-utils
[03:44] <delire> maggi: do you mean this one? 'less /etc/X11/XF86Config-4'?
[03:44] <delire> pat910: that's cool. try running 'alsaconfig' now
[03:44] <pat910> installed
[03:44] <pat910> k
[03:44] <pat910> as root I presume?
[03:44] <maggi> just the one to change the resolution
[03:44] <delire> yes
[03:45] <delire> maggi: yes, the one I mentioned above. can you use the editor 'vim'?
[03:45] <pat910> no such animal
[03:45] <delire> maggi: ok do this..
[03:45] <blackfeet> delire: why is in ubuntu esd standard, when 50 per cent of the applications aren't working with it?
[03:45] <MaRk-I> in network tools if I ping i.e. www.google.com and get a response is my eth0 working??
[03:45] <delire> pat910: you tried it as root?
[03:45] <pat910> # al
[03:45] <pat910> alias      alien      alsactl    alsamixer
[03:46] <pat910> that was with a tab
[03:46] <pat910> yes as root
[03:46] <delire> blackfeet: i agree, it should be taken out. ESD is used for gnome system sounds, but it a bit unneccessary. you should tell the Ubuntu team your thoughts.
[03:46] <pat910> root@ubuntu:/home/pat #
[03:46] <delire> pat910: ok.. now 'apt-cache search alsaconfig'
[03:47] <pat910> nothing
[03:47] <tuukkah> delire, what would you suggest that would let several programs produce sound at the same time ?-)
[03:47] <delire> pat910: well that's a shame, you should have alsaconf on board now. hmm <thinks>
[03:47] <pat910> let me look in the gui package manager thingie .. brb
[03:48] <carambol> /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[03:48] <delire> tuukkah: well that is hard to solve without jack supporting applications. his problem here is that he can't hear anything from Gaim without ESD activated.
[03:48] <glyne> can someone help me please ?
[03:49] <Hansiman> I can't find my hard drives through the Ubuntu CD when trying to install
[03:49] <glyne> i got an ATI radeon and i'm running hoary
[03:49] <blackfeet> delire: i think they should take jack as standard, with oss emulation and write a script so that everything is automatically connected with everything
[03:49] <Hansiman> anyone know what to do? or what details I need to give so people can help me?
[03:49] <malte`> when will Ubuntu Release Candidate be released today????
[03:49] <glyne> the framebuffer doesn't work :/
[03:49] <pat910> alsa base and alsa-utils are installed
[03:50] <delire> pat910: try install 'alsa-base' it seems that also provides alsaconf sometimes
[03:50] <pat910> sez they are both installed ..
[03:50] <delire> blackfeet: i absolutely agree. Gnome and KDE should invest in it as opposed to working around it.
[03:50] <pat910> what is the force it to reinstall command?
[03:50] <tuukkah> blackfeet, esd and esddsp has worked for a long time already
[03:51] <Seveas> apt-get install --reinstall
[03:51] <Seveas> 01101000 01101001 00100000 01101101 01100101 01101101 01100010 01110010 01100101 01111001 01100001 00100001
[03:51] <blackfeet> tuukkah: but esddsp dosent work with view programms, they need a real alsa simulated dsp device
[03:51] <membreya> 0100 1110001 1100011110 0001110
[03:52] <Seveas> membreya, learn to speak proper binary :)
[03:52] <membreya> sorry, I don't have a l33t script like you :(
[03:52] <maggi> I still can not change my resolution to higher than 640X480
[03:52] <membreya> make me one for konversation
[03:52] <membreya> maggi: get a decent vid card :P
[03:52] <tuukkah> blackfeet, what are view programs?
[03:52] <delire> pat910: when you type 'apt-cache search alsaconf' do you get the output 'alsa-utils'?
[03:52] <membreya> sorry if I appear obnoxious, I'm drinking :P
[03:52] <Seveas> membreya, the script isn't leet, it's simple
[03:52] <maggi> ha....ha....ha... membreya
[03:52] <Seveas> and i don't use k*
[03:53] <Hansiman> anyone?
[03:53] <delire> maggi: ok you need an editor. first become root at the terminal
[03:53] <membreya> Seveas: and therein lies your flaw
[03:53] <maggi> I have nano and pico
[03:53] <maggi> I a root now
[03:53] <Seveas> membreya, no, k* is crap im(ns)ho :)
[03:53] <blackfeet> tuukkah: skype, vlc, ..
[03:53] <membreya> lol :P
[03:53] <membreya> kde is pretty :P
[03:53] <Hansiman> the problem started today, after I got a GeForce card
[03:53] <membreya> especially once you reduce the font sizes
[03:53] <apokryphos> Seveas: that's sad to hear. ;)
[03:53] <Seveas> pretty ugly ;)
[03:53] <delire> maggi: do you know how to use nano?
[03:54] <carambol> dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg,maggi
[03:54] <Seveas> but let's stop the madness, people are looking for help here
[03:54] <apokryphos> ahem
[03:54] <Hansiman> like me :p
[03:54] <maggi> carambol there was no xserver xorg
[03:54] <maggi> I tried that ;)
[03:54] <delire> maggi: are you sure there is no gui in the system setting menu that might help you better?
[03:54] <Seveas> xserver-xorg
[03:54] <Seveas> with the dash
[03:54] <delire> maggi: editing these files without experience can make a mess
[03:54] <carambol> maggi u are in hoary?
[03:55] <maggi> no. I think warty
[03:55] <maggi> the 4.10
[03:55] <Seveas> Hansiman, hi
[03:55] <delire> carambol: she needs to choose her resolution settings.
[03:55] <maggi> I typed apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade my distro
[03:55] <Hansiman> Seveas: hi
[03:55] <maggi> and after that it fucked up
[03:55] <Seveas> what do you mean with "can't find hd's"
[03:55] <javiolo> when warty will be updated to hoary ?
[03:55] <carambol> u have to change the horys and VertRefresh rate
[03:55] <Hansiman> well, I have 4 hd's in my computer
[03:55] <carambol> look in the monitor manual for the values
[03:55] <Hansiman> and for some reason, today, my computer will only find 2 of them, after they worked all yesterday
[03:55] <Seveas> ata/sata/scsi?
[03:55] <prego> Gnome apps toolbars behave weirdly in Hoary since some time ago. For instance, if I drag Gedit toolbar out of the window then I cannot move it again nor reattach it to the window. I've seen that I can move it using ALT+mouse but it does not reattach. Am I the only one?
[03:56] <delire> pat910: BTW, alsaconf can also be invoked with it's path: '/usr/sbin/alsaconf'
[03:56] <maggi> could it help to recompile the kernel?
[03:56] <Seveas> Hansiman, ata/sata/scsi disks?
[03:56] <prego> Hansiman: Have you seen them at the bios during bootup?
[03:56] <maggi> I mean compile a new kernel
[03:56] <Hansiman> ide
[03:56] <Seveas> hmm
[03:56] <Seveas> ok
[03:56] <delire> maggi: no. what is the problem by the way? is it all too small?
[03:56] <carambol> no u have to edit the values...
[03:56] <maggi> delire: PM
[03:57] <dockane> delire, i checked the properties of alsa-utils, there is no alsa-conf within this packet and sudo alsa-conf does work
[03:57] <Seveas> if the bios sees them, copy the output of lspci somewhere (a pastebin or so)
[03:57] <Seveas> if the bios doesn't see them, fix that first :)
[03:57] <dockane> *not
[03:57] <delire> dockane: how about 'alsaconf'?
[03:57] <Hansiman> argh, it goes by to fast to see >_>
[03:58] <dockane> delire the same
[03:58] <Hansiman> I can't see it in the bios, the screen goes by way to fast
[03:58] <Hansiman> there's no way I can read that fast
[03:58] <Kheldon|Uni> hello :)
[03:58] <Seveas> Hansiman, well, then just try the lspci thing :)
[03:59] <Kheldon|Uni> Anybody around to give me a hand?
[03:59] <Hansiman> Seveas: how do I do that?
[03:59] <Seveas> in a terminal type: lspci
[03:59] <apokryphos> Hansiman: you might like to try pressing Scroll Lock while it's loading
[03:59] <Seveas> your harddisks bust be listed there
[03:59] <Hansiman> apokryphos: scoll lock does nothing
[03:59] <Kheldon|Uni> How do I get my touchpad mouse to work in Ubuntu?
[03:59] <Dave2|Laptop> Hey. When using DHCP, is there any way to force a nameserver to be used first?
[04:00] <delire> dockane: hmm that's silly.
[04:00] <Kheldon|Uni> I cna't move or click with the mouse at all
[04:00] <Dave2|Laptop> (I'm using Hoary)
[04:00] <Hansiman> lspci is not a command in ubuntu install cd
[04:00] <pat910> I had already done the 319 pkg upgrades .. but found 15 more that had to be masaged to be installed .. I'll try again after that gets done
[04:00] <delire> pat910: yes, do that...
[04:01] <Kheldon|Uni> Anybody?
[04:01] <peyre> hello
[04:01] <Hansiman> my Ubuntu disk is one of the disks that I can't find
[04:01] <Dave2|Laptop> Kheldon|Uni, using a Synaptics touchpad?
[04:01] <Kheldon|Uni> yes
[04:01] <Dave2|Laptop> Hm
[04:01] <Dave2|Laptop> Actually, you should be able to move the mouse anyway
[04:01] <Dave2|Laptop> it should emulate a PS/2 mouse
[04:01] <Kheldon|Uni> it doesn't, I can't move the mouse :/
[04:02] <delire> Dave2|Laptop: hey dave. you in Ubuntu there now?
[04:02] <Dave2|Laptop> Never had that happen; my touchpad has always emulated a PS/2 mouse.
[04:02] <Dave2|Laptop> delire, yup
[04:02] <delire> Dave2|Laptop: some of these kids haven't got alsaconf on board. what provides it in Ubuntu?
[04:02] <Kheldon|Uni> heard there was some command or something to put in to enable the touchpad to work
[04:02] <delire> <-- Debian
[04:02] <Kheldon|Uni> anyway, back later
[04:02] <prego> Hansiman: did you try the hard disk detection under bios settings?
[04:03] <Dave2|Laptop> delire, I'm not sure
[04:03] <delire> maggi: ok.. editing the config. have you got an /etc/X11/XF86Config-4?
[04:03] <Dave2|Laptop> I don't remember specifically installing it
[04:03] <scizzo> y0
[04:03] <peyre> I need some help upgrading from Warty to Hoary
[04:03] <Dave2|Laptop> It's just in /usr/sbin/alsaconf
[04:03] <delire> Dave2|Laptop: do you have it? a few of these ppl need it, and it seems alsa-utils doesn't provide it.
[04:04] <delire> pat910: try /usr/sbin/alsaconf and if not there 'whereis alsaconf'
[04:04] <Dave2|Laptop> peyre, all I did was change "warty" to "hoary" in /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:04] <Hansiman> prego: how?
[04:04] <scizzo> peyre: there is a howto on ubuntulinux.org
[04:04] <Dave2|Laptop> I probably did something wrong, but it seems to work
[04:04] <delire> maggi: as root do this 'vim /etc/X11/XF86Config' and follow these instructions exactly
[04:04] <Dave2|Laptop> delire, this is ubuntu
[04:04] <prego> Hansiman: depends on the computer, but probably pressing <del> key during startup
[04:05] <Hansiman> yeah, found that one ;)
[04:05] <Hansiman> but the rest
[04:05] <Dave2|Laptop> delire, it's hard to become root :P
[04:05] <prego> Hansiman: that throws you into bios settings....
[04:05] <scizzo> peyre: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[04:05] <peyre> Yes, I have followed that to the "T" but I keep running into a problem. I've posted on the forum but nobody knows the answer
[04:05] <delire> Dave2|Laptop: nah she says she's root. if not sudo passwd root will do it
[04:05] <Dave2|Laptop> ah
[04:05] <Dave2|Laptop> yeah, that's what I did
[04:05] <scizzo> peyre: what problem?
[04:06] <Flonne> `sudo gedit <file>` is the preferred method, from everything I've read.
[04:06] <scizzo> peyre: could you give us the link to the forum place where the question is mentioned?
[04:06] <delire> maggi: cool, type the command i said above. we're going to look at the file with an editor called vim. you'll need to follow instructions exactly
[04:06] <pat910> still sez there ain't no such animal -- .usr/sbin/als (tab) shows only alsactl
[04:06] <Flonne> Replacing gedit with any appropriate editor.
[04:06] <delire> maggi: are you sure you don't have gedit?
[04:06] <pat910> drop the .
[04:06] <peyre> Scizzo - OK, I change my sources.list and run apt-get update. Then I run dist-upgrade.
[04:06] <maggi> I have gedit
[04:06] <Hansiman> prego: the two disks are not connected to the MB itself, but to an IDE-card
[04:06] <delire> maggi: great, then we'll use that.
[04:06] <delire> maggi: 'gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4'
[04:06] <Hansiman> which worked yesterday, only thing that's different now, if that I changed my videocard
[04:07] <peyre> The files download and then it runs "checking changelog."
[04:07] <prego> Hansiman: Oh, then I can't help you since I've never faced that kind of configuration...
[04:07] <delire> maggi: scroll down to the section called 'Monitor'
[04:07] <{joey}> quake2 giving me hassles, anyone recognize LoadLibrary("ref_softx.so") failed: No such file or directory
[04:07] <prego> Hansiman: *perhaps* the videcoard has same interrupt than the IDE-card controller ???
[04:07] <peyre> After that, I get the following error: dpkg-deb: file `/var/cache/apt/archives/diveintopython_5.4-1ubuntu1_all.deb' contains ununderstood data member data.tar.bz2    , giving up
[04:07] <maggi> ok
[04:07] <delire> {joey}: you likely already have it, but it's in the wrong place. may need to make a symlink
[04:08] <scizzo> peyre: apt-get -f install
[04:08] <delire> {joey}: i've had this.
[04:08] <maggi> Section "Monitor"
[04:08] <maggi> 	Identifier	"Generic Monitor"
[04:08] <maggi> 	HorizSync	28-33
[04:08] <maggi> 	VertRefresh	43-72
[04:08] <maggi> 	Option		"DPMS"
[04:08] <scizzo> peyre: type that once
[04:08] <bwlang> i just read a bit on newsforge about recording a network stream... and it gave me an idea.  I like to listen to "science friday" on npr but i'm usually working when it's on. is there some nice open source app to allow me to "tivo" it?
[04:08] <scizzo> peyre: see if something with that command helps...
[04:08] <peyre> When do I type it. The upgrade chokes at that point and spits out a bunch of text.
[04:08] <delire> maggi: hmm, actually it will be under 'Screen'. you should have entries like "
[04:09] <prego> maggi: that monitor can do only low resolutions, AFAIK
[04:09] <scizzo> peyre: you type it when the apt-get is being failed
[04:09] <maggi> it can do up to 1076xsomething...
[04:09] <delire> maggi: Modes       "1400x1050" "1280x960" "1024x768" "800x600"
[04:09] <Flonne> It's also limited to low refresh rates.
[04:09] <maggi> ok them
[04:09] <scizzo> peyre: just like you would do when doing upgrade or something
[04:09] <maggi> delire I fount it
[04:10] <delire> maggi: i have "DefaultDepth 24" what do you have?
[04:10] <peyre> Then would I do this:  sudo apt-get upgrade -f (as in force)
[04:10] <maggi> I have same
[04:10] <delire> maggi: your bitdepth may be wrong for your what your system can handle
[04:10] <Dave2|Laptop> -f is fix, rather than force, isn't it?
[04:10] <scizzo> peyre: no
[04:10] <scizzo> peyre: apt-get -f install
[04:10] <delire> maggi: first save that file as XF86Config-4_backup
[04:11] <delire> maggi: then change that line to "DefaultDepth 16"
[04:11] <maggi> ok
[04:11] <delire> maggi: make sure you edit the original file though.
[04:11] <peyre> scizzo, after  i get that error, the buffer in terminal clears and I get a bunch of text. I would have to close terminal and restart it.
[04:11] <delire> eek
[04:12] <delire> pat910: any luck with alsaconf?
[04:12] <scizzo> peyre: just start a new terminal then
[04:12] <pat910> *$#@ no
[04:12] <onkarshinde> Can anyone tell me meaning of this?
[04:12] <onkarshinde> Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address f000ff53 printing eip: c0122c53 *pde = 00000000 Oops: 0002 [#1]  PREEMPT Modules linked in:
[04:12] <pat910> ;-(
[04:12] <maggi> ups
[04:12] <peyre> OH, leave the one that is stuck open and open a second one?
[04:12] <delire> pat910: damn. what does 'whereis alsaconf' say?
[04:12] <pat910> beats the heck out of me
[04:13] <maggi> delire: would it help you by saying that I have a LCD screen
[04:13] <delire> maggi: hehe yes.
[04:13] <pat910> have done updadb .. installed mc and looked that way .. it just doesn't exist
[04:13] <maggi> Integrated Graphics Device"
[04:13] <maggi> 	Monitor		"Generic Monitor"
[04:13] <maggi> 	DefaultDepth	16
[04:13] <maggi> 	SubSection "Display"
[04:13] <pat910> nothing I get   alsaconf:
[04:13] <stacey> how do you change mouse double-click/single-click behavior?
[04:13] <delire> pat910: shit
[04:13] <scizzo> peyre: try it
[04:14] <pat910> that's what I said ..
[04:14] <peyre> OK, I will. Thanks.
[04:14] <delire> pat910: i'm not on ubuntu here. i think it may be time to take your machine toward Debian, with a few new entries in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:14] <pat910> is this where I go find a copy of redhot's sndconfg ? N O T
[04:14] <delire> pat910: then we can be sure you can get this alsaconf tool. it fixes this issue in a jiffy
[04:14] <jaku> hi, how can i re-start the automount ?
[04:15] <pat910> I added all the extra ubunto sourcses already .. to get mc
[04:15] <delire> pat910: yeah, how about adding
[04:15] <delire> pat910: deb ftp://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main
[04:15] <maggi> ok what after that? delire
[04:16] <delire> pat910: then update and upgrade alsa-utils to get alsaconf
[04:16] <delire> maggi: have you saved that file?
[04:16] <maggi> yes
[04:16] <pat910> testing or sid?
[04:16] <delire> maggi: ok then exit 'X"
[04:16] <delire> pat910: same thing
[04:16] <delire> pat910: in this case.
[04:16] <maggi> exit X?
[04:17] <pat910> testing=sarge unstable=sid .. or so I thought?
[04:17] <pat910> k
[04:17] <maggi> how do I exit that?
[04:17] <delire> maggi: log out and back in again.
[04:17] <maggi> ahh I see
[04:17] <delire> pat910: no i mean that ubuntu is close to testing
[04:17] <delire> pat910: hence "same thing"
[04:18] <apokryphos> delire: the terminology on Ubuntu is different to Debian
[04:18] <delire> apokryphos: on my debian testing box i find package versions very close and compatible with ubuntu
[04:19] <delire> pat910: it won't hurt, just to get this one package and then you can always remove that entry
[04:19] <black_Nightmare> hey there
[04:19] <delire> pat910: however testing + ubuntu are quite compatible.
[04:19] <apokryphos> delire: I agree; Ubuntu has a Debian backbone; but, the terminology with "unstable"/"testing" is slightly different. Hoary now, for example, is still technically "in developement" (unstable) until official release
[04:19] <apokryphos> though RC is out today
[04:19] <pat910> crap synaptic choked on that entry, let me just edit the sources.list brb
[04:20] <maggi> ok I'm back and it didn't work
[04:20] <delire> apokryphos: sure, but debian unstable is less compatible with the base pacakges of ubuntu that testing AFAIK
[04:20] <delire> maggi: what happened?
[04:20] <javiolo> when warty will be updated to hoary ?
[04:20] <maggi> nothing
[04:20] <maggi> just same
[04:20] <Ede_KK> hi all
[04:20] <apokryphos> delire: I'm not talking about compatibility at all =). Only terminology.
[04:20] <delire> maggi: did it just take you to a log in screen again? how about a more dramatic approach. <CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE>
[04:20] <apokryphos> javiolo: RC is out today
[04:20] <delire> apokryphos: you're right
[04:20] <apokryphos> javiolo: official out on the 6th.
[04:21] <maggi> I did also try the ctrl-alt-backspace thing
[04:21] <delire> maggi: ok back to the config
[04:21] <javiolo> apokryphos I use warty, do I need to download the iso of hoary to install it or I can update my system via synaptic ?
[04:21] <delire> maggi: we need to look for the line that says "640x480" under the section for 16 bit
[04:22] <apokryphos> javiolo: You can update right from there -- through apt :). The majority of people in here have done so quite some time ago
[04:22] <maggi> yes
[04:22] <maggi> delire: Yes
[04:22] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell javiolo ubuhoary
[04:22] <Pyre> javiolo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[04:22] <maggi> :p
[04:22] <delire> maggi: see it?
[04:22] <maggi> yes
[04:22] <maggi> 1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[04:22] <jaku> is there someting like supermount?
[04:22] <delire> maggi: remove that first entry "1152x864" and try a restart of X
[04:23] <black_Nightmare> maggi..heh I'm using 1152x864 @ 70Hz on my own pc (not this one but its the same mointor thou) ;)
[04:23] <black_Nightmare> kinda like that one
[04:23] <maggi> k
[04:23] <maggi> brb then
[04:24] <dwa_> ugh!
[04:25] <AcidWolf> this is probably gonna sound like a really out of place question but um has anyone in here done or is doing a BS degree in IT
[04:25] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[04:25] <HrdwrBoB> no
[04:25] <AcidWolf> im thinking of doing one
[04:25] <HrdwrBoB> I dropped out
[04:25] <AcidWolf> :)
[04:25] <AcidWolf> lol
[04:25] <maggi> delire: that didn't work. I also removed the 640x480 one
[04:26] <maggi> :p
[04:26] <delire> maggi: do you have two X configs in /etc/X11/?
[04:26] <garrut> a bullshit degree?
[04:26] <AcidWolf> yeah
[04:26] <AcidWolf> thats the one
[04:26] <AcidWolf> :p
[04:26] <HrdwrBoB> AcidWolf: ok here's the deal
[04:26] <HrdwrBoB> the learning in an IT degree means SFA
[04:27] <maggi> I have XFconfig86 and the backup
[04:27] <HrdwrBoB> the paper is worth something
[04:27] <delire> maggi: my advice would be to ask black_Nightmare to send you his XF86Config-4 so that you can compare it to your own.
[04:27] <HrdwrBoB> as long as it's vaguely IT related then you're fine
[04:27] <maggi> can I send it to you so you could check it out? delire
[04:27] <pat910> apt-get upgrade apt-utils      eeek ..            295 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 27 not upgraded.
[04:27] <delire> maggi: ok, well I think you'll need to look at another config I'm afraid, it's just too hard for me to diagnose from here. I think your problem is now refresh rates.
[04:27] <AcidWolf> so basiclly any degree that is it related is a bonus
[04:27] <pat910> no way hoza
[04:28] <delire> maggi: I think you should compare it to black_Nightmare's. he has the same monitor.
[04:28] <delire> maggi: it's silly that the upgrade overwrote your perfectly good one. it shouldn't be this way. you should tell the Ubuntu developers it happened.
[04:29] <black_Nightmare> umm delire... I'm not exactly sure what kind of mointor this is (borrowing it from family's computer for my pc sometimes) .. its a hp pavilion mx70 -- whatever kind of rebadge that is
[04:29] <maggi> ok. I have an acer travelmate t290 laptop
[04:29] <maggi> ok I will
[04:29] <HrdwrBoB> um
[04:29] <HrdwrBoB> if you upgraded to hoary
[04:29] <Ede_KK> i try to install hoary on a compaq pentium2  400 mhz
[04:29] <HrdwrBoB> it's not using XF86Config
[04:29] <pat910> installing just that one pkg ..
[04:29] <black_Nightmare> ede_kk..and?
[04:29] <HrdwrBoB> it's using xorg.conf
[04:29] <HrdwrBoB> that would be why
[04:29] <delire> pat910: it's up to you. right now 'apt-cache search alsaconf' to see if you now have a package listing for it
[04:29] <pat910> Preparing to replace alsa-utils 1.0.8-1ubuntu1 (using .../alsa-utils_1.0.8-4_i386.deb)
[04:29] <maggi> delire: thanks anyway
[04:29] <Ede_KK> it hangs after ACPI: Lookin for DSDT in initrd... not found
[04:30] <black_Nightmare> ede_kk...ughh dunno but then I had some shutdown random error issue till I added ACPI=off to the grub.conf so it might be same to you
[04:30] <black_Nightmare> acpi never existed on older motherboards it seem (as far as I know)
[04:31] <LordGrunt> hello
[04:31] <Ede_KK> i tried linux pci=noacpi
[04:32] <delire> maggi: also, make sure you don't have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:32] <LordGrunt> last system upgrade had changed my kde language to default english, despite i have installed my langpack. how can i switch back to my localisation?
[04:32] <delire> HrdwrBoB: is xorg.conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf on an ubuntu machine?
[04:32] <black_Nightmare> ede_kk you need ACPI=off I think
[04:32] <Ede_KK> black_Nightmare  i get a kernel panic when i try linux ACPI=off
[04:32] <HrdwrBoB> delire: eyes
[04:33] <black_Nightmare> hmm...thats strange
[04:33] <black_Nightmare> ede_kk you mind doing one thing?
[04:34] <Ede_KK> of course
[04:35] <Ede_KK> black_Nightmare tell me
[04:36] <black_Nightmare> hm damn..I forgot..anyone know the name for that other linux channel?  (it was 3 letters long, started with a 'l' I'm sure)
[04:36] <LordGrunt> hmm, about my question, pls?
[04:37] <black_Nightmare> one second ok ede_KK?
[04:38] <prego> LordGrunt: using gdm or kdm?
[04:38] <delire> pat910: where are you upto?
[04:38] <Ede_KK> np
[04:38] <prego> LordGrunt: because in gdm you can choose the languaje or the user session... I guess that in KDM you can do that also
[04:38] <delire> pat910: can you 'lspci | grep audio' for me?
[04:39] <delire> maggi: a live CD with a 'realtime installer'
[04:39] <maggi> ok
[04:39] <LordGrunt> prego: kde, but think i found reason, package was outdated
[04:39] <delire> maggi: make sure you grab 3.3 if you want to check it out
[04:39] <keyhack> Has anyone been able to install the fglrx ATI driver that's available on ATI's website in Ubuntu?
[04:39] <maggi> I bought this linux magazine the other day at the airport, and I think it had a mepis on it
[04:40] <pat910> ok we got a card installed cs4236 .. but totum still pops up ans sez can't play and music player sez it needs a module to play a pm3 ... sigh ..
[04:40] <keyhack> Ubuntu has 8.8.25 and ATI has fglrx 8.10.19
[04:40] <andril> hey now - hell all
[04:40] <pat910> it's an onboard sound and alsa-config had to do isa to get it
[04:40] <huring> anyone tried to use GPRS with a T630 in ubuntu?
[04:41] <peyre> scizzo, are you still here?
[04:41] <pat910> huge out put with lsmod  | grep snd
[04:42] <pat910>  /me considers going to get xmms
[04:42] <black_Nightmare> ede_kk what did you said you tried to use before?  (the 'pci=' something line)
[04:42] <roo__> pat910, try beep-media-player
[04:42] <pat910> I shouldn't have to restart my user should I?
[04:43] <pat910> beep-media-player: command not found
[04:43] <delire> pat910: cool at least alsaconf worked
[04:43] <pat910> yea .. progress
[04:43] <pat910> I shouldn't have to restart my user should I?
[04:43] <delire> pat910: is the module it need libmp3lame?
[04:43] <delire> pat910: naw
[04:43] <pat910> just said needed a module for mp3
[04:43] <delire> maggi: i think your refresh rates are too low.
[04:43] <black_Nightmare> ede_kk you there?
[04:43] <delire> pat910: i bet is was libmp3lame.so
[04:44] <maggi> delire: how do I change them? I can't change it in the GUI
[04:44] <peyre> i need some help with an upgrade to hoary
[04:44] <Ede_KK> i tried pci=noacpi with the same result
[04:44] <black_Nightmare> oh ok ty
[04:44] <roo__> huring, tried installing gnome-bluetooth?
[04:44] <Ede_KK> i tried noapic nolapic
[04:44] <pat910> no plugin .. not module .. my bad
[04:45] <black_Nightmare> what did you said about when I asked you about ACPI=off? (sorry sometimes my memory is bad lol)
[04:45] <pat910> didn't specify the needed plugin
[04:45] <delire> maggi: i seem to remember ubuntu has a gui X/display-configurator of some kind, perhaps display settings or similar in the system config tools.
[04:46] <Ede_KK> :)
[04:46] <delire> pat910: try xmms
[04:46] <Ede_KK> kernel panic
[04:46] <delire> pat910: or 'apt-get install audacity' and try then
[04:46] <maggi> yes. it's called the screen resolution tool, and that one isn't working
[04:46] <huring> roo_ need irDA connectivity - old laptop...
[04:47] <roo__> huring, ah, no can help then, sorry :(
[04:48] <peyre> I could use some help.
[04:48] <Ede_KK> black_Nightmare i get a kernel panic or what do you mean?
[04:48] <maggi> delire: can I change the refresh rate somehow in terminal / the config file?
[04:48] <delire> maggi: i think you should try these settings " HorizSync 30 - 82" and "VertRefresh 50 - 70"
[04:49] <delire> maggi: ^^
[04:49] <pat910> hang on looking around the available options here .. * and trying to use synaptic's front end to get back to ubuntus sources list
[04:49] <keyhack> Has anyone been able to install the fglrx ATI driver that's available on ATI's website in Ubuntu? Ubuntu has 8.8.25 and ATI has fglrx 8.10.19
[04:49] <huring> roo_ no worries, haven't really tried yet, still waiting for gnome to install :-)
[04:49] <delire> pat910: one line to your sources.list can make your multimedia life alot easier with ubuntu.
[04:50] <peyre> Has anyone had problems upgrading to hoary from warty?
[04:50] <delire> pat910: this repo has all the video and audio codecs under the sun. also good rippers. interested?
[04:51] <delire> pat910:
[04:51] <delire> pat910:  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[04:51] <delire> ^^^ has dvdrip, all the win32 codecs and a ton of audio compression/decompression codecs. it's non-free but excellent
[04:52] <pat910> fine by me .. this install is for a friend .. he wants to play with linux .. I wanted to keep it kinda stock .. but functonal <g> .. I runn .. uh .. another distro lol
[04:54] <dockane> x-chat has problemds
[04:56] <peyre> Please someone help with upgrading from warty to hoary.
[04:56] <delire> maggi: any luck?
[04:56] <maggi> thanks very much for the help delire! it works now :D:D:D
[04:56] <delire> hehe great ;)
[04:56] <maggi> yeah
[04:56] <Xappe> dockane: problems?
[04:56] <maggi> thanks alot man
[04:56] <delire> maggi: to avoid this happening again, make sure you BACKUP THAT FILE ;)
[04:56] <black_Nightmare> ede_kk go to #LFD ok?
[04:56] <eyequeue> peyre:  state the actual problem
[04:56] <delire> maggi: if you have a stupid overwrite next upgrade, at least you'll be able to go back to this working one.
[04:57] <maggi> yeah I will
[04:57] <delire> maggi: cool, enjoy. it's a good distro.
[04:57] <kev0r> i've my bluetooth dongle plugged in the usb, when using gnome-usb thingy, it does not seem to locate any of my USB devices, need i install the dongle or something?
[04:57] <black_Nightmare> hope you're reading that ede_kk I'm leaving this channel now
[04:57] <nedwasp> hey all, i'm on ubuntu hoary and i can't seem to get realplayer to work, but helix no problem...is there a way to get helix to play rp files?
[04:57] <black_Nightmare> bye now
[04:57] <Ede_KK> hi all
[04:58] <peyre> eye, the upgrade aborts with the following error: dpkg-deb: file `/var/cache/apt/archives/diveintopython_5.4-1ubuntu1_all.deb' contains ununderstood data member data.tar.bz2    , giving up
[04:58] <Ede_KK> hi all
[04:58] <peyre> adding the -f does not help
[04:58] <kev0r> so nobody with USB experiance here?
[04:59] <eyequeue> peyre:  package is installed properly here
[04:59] <eyequeue> peyre:  rm the file and let it fetch it anew
[05:00] <peyre> eyequeue: I've tried everything. How do I rm the file from the cache?
[05:00] <eyequeue> peyre:  sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/diveintopython_5.4-1ubuntu1_all.deb
[05:01] <eyequeue> peyre:  follow that with sudo apt-get --reinstall install diveintopython
[05:01] <delire> eyequeue: here here ;)
[05:01] <peyre> eyequeue: ok, hang on while I try that.
[05:02] <dockane> xappe : yes, i installed the blowfish script from fish.secure and now my ae oe and ue dont work anymore. this problem is known by the developer. is there a possibillity to automatically make  to ae ?
[05:02] <eyequeue> peyre:  sure
[05:02] <Kikyo1> Greetings everyone :)
[05:02] <Kikyo1> Does anyone here know how to get network play for Baldur's Gate working on Cedega? It doesn't seem to find any IPX protocols, so all the buttons are grey and unuseable when I go to the multiplayer menu..
[05:03] <Kikyo1> I've tried some forums and google searches, but I still havn't found much help when it comes to the multiplayer part. In singleplayer it runs just fine
[05:04] <Xappe> dockane: hmm, I don't know. remove the script? :)
[05:05] <peyre> eyequeue: I got the same error, but then it did something else.
[05:05] <plagerism> What version of fglrx is currently in the restricted modules package??
[05:05] <eyequeue> peyre:  what would that be?
[05:06] <Kikyo1> I take it as noone here knows the solution to my problem ? *rolls a die to see if he scores a knowledgable person; or a question-critical-miss..*
[05:06] <peyre> eyequeue: peyre@PTL-Mobile:~ $ sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/diveintopython_5.4-1ubuntu1_all.deb
[05:06] <peyre> Password:
[05:06] <peyre> peyre@PTL-Mobile:~ $ sudo apt-get --reinstall install diveintopython
[05:06] <peyre> Reading Package Lists... Done
[05:06] <peyre> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[05:06] <peyre> The following extra packages will be installed:
[05:06] <peyre>   dpkg
[05:06] <peyre> The following packages will be upgraded:
[05:06] <peyre>   diveintopython dpkg
[05:06] <Kikyo1> Meh.. 2 on a D20 doesn't look to promising. ;)
[05:06] <peyre> 2 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 950 not upgraded.
[05:06] <peyre> Need to get 348kB/2081kB of archives.
[05:06] <peyre> After unpacking 1516kB of additional disk space will be used.
[05:06] <peyre> Do you want to continue? [Y/n]  y
[05:06] <peyre> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main diveintopython 5.4-1ubuntu1 [348kB] 
[05:07] <peyre> Fetched 348kB in 12s (28.4kB/s)
[05:07] <peyre> dpkg-deb: file `/var/cache/apt/archives/diveintopython_5.4-1ubuntu1_all.deb' contains ununderstood data member data.tar.bz2    , giving up
[05:07] <peyre> Reading changelogs... Done
[05:07] <peyre> Preconfiguring packages ...
[05:07] <peyre> (Reading database ... 112061 files and directories currently installed.)
[05:07] <peyre> Preparing to replace dpkg 1.10.22ubuntu2 (using .../dpkg_1.10.27ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
[05:07] <eyequeue> argh
[05:07] <peyre> Unpacking replacement dpkg ...
[05:07] <peyre> Setting up dpkg (1.10.27ubuntu1) ...
[05:07] <eyequeue> stop
[05:07] <peyre> (Reading database ... 112070 files and directories currently installed.)
[05:07] <StR> STOP FLOADING!!!!
[05:07] <tritium> peyre, don't paste here
[05:07] <peyre> Preparing to replace diveintopython 5.4-1 (using .../diveintopython_5.4-1ubuntu1_all.deb) ...
[05:07] <peyre> Unpacking replacement diveintopython ...
[05:07] <peyre> Setting up diveintopython (5.4-1ubuntu1) ...
[05:07] <peyre> peyre@PTL-Mobile:~ $
[05:07] <StR> \kick peyre
[05:07] <eyequeue> the answer was "it upgraded dpkg too"
[05:07] <peyre> oooppps sory
[05:07] <delire> peyre: don't do that again. it's really rude
[05:07] <Kikyo1> They should add an anti-spam script here..
[05:07] <Kikyo1> :P
[05:07] <delire> peyre: see #flood
[05:08] <peyre> I am sorry - eyequeue asked for the output. Sorry.
[05:08] <eyequeue> peyre: no, i sked what it did, but anywy, let's move on
[05:08] <StR> peyre: LOL.. and if eyequeue asks for a   rm -Rf /    you do it too   ;)
[05:08] <peyre> OK, what should I do now?
[05:09] <eyequeue> peyre:  apparently your old dpkg package couldn't handle bzip2, just gzip, but the new can.  sooooo, plese try one more time (sorry) running sudo apt-get --reinstall install diveintopython
[05:09] <Quinn_Storm> hmm, what's diveintopython btw?
[05:10] <delire> an excellent guide to learning the similarly excellent interprested programming language http://python.org
[05:10] <eyequeue> Quinn_Storm:  basically a nifty book teaching the python language, i recommend it
[05:10] <Quinn_Storm> eyequeue: cool, though I already know python mostly
[05:11] <peyre> eyequeue: Ok, that seemed to work. No errors anyway. Now, should I run dist-upgrade again?
[05:12] <eyequeue> peyre:  yes, you managed to notice a problem though, so please consider reporting it on bugzilla so they cn fix it in time for the final release on 8 april
[05:13] <eyequeue> now did i do alright enugh to earn my first cup of coffee for the day? :)  brb
[05:13] <peyre> eyequeue: yes, I will do so. Thank you for your help. Have yourself a cup of java. :-)
[05:14] <rayen> hi, is hoary a testing release?
[05:16] <eyequeue> rayen:  hoary is the cirrent development branch, which is sceduled to go final on 8 april
[05:16] <rayen> oh
[05:17] <rayen> so if i want to download Ubuntu I should download the warty install release?
[05:17] <StR> rayen: no.. you can use hoary
[05:17] <StR> rayen: I have hoary
[05:17] <eyequeue> rayen:  your choice, but many including myself run hoary, ... that said, there are still bugs in hoary, as evidenced above
[05:17] <Quinn_Storm> rayen: I'd advise hoary myself, its more up-to-date and really runs just fine in 99%+ of cases
[05:18] <Bazzi> there will always be bugs
[05:18] <rayen> ah, but there will be bugfixes for the problems soon right?
[05:18] <StR> yes...
[05:18] <Quinn_Storm> I'll put it this way.  hoary has no -more- bugs than the average windows install, and the bugfixes tend to come fast and furious compared to ms's lazy pace :-P
[05:18] <rayen> lol
[05:19] <eyequeue> rayen:  yes, this is the home stretch, final preparations are being made for that release, release candidate 1 is coming out today
[05:19] <rayen> i'll give Ubuntu a try on my PC :)
[05:19] <rayen> ok i'll wait a day
[05:19] <rayen> :P
[05:19] <StR> rayen: what distro do you have now?
[05:19] <Quinn_Storm> rayen: I personally advise kubuntu but then that's b/c I prefer kde to gnome.  to get it, just apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, and kde as well if you want all the kde optional pkgs
[05:20] <rayen> StR,  I installed Gentoo 2005.0 on my PC yesterday (went from XP to Gentoo)
[05:20] <Quinn_Storm> well if you can make gentoo work, you can certainly make ubuntu work
[05:20] <StR> how long did it take to install gentoo?
[05:20] <rayen> StR,  10 hours :p
[05:20] <delire> rayen and do you like it?
[05:20] <StR> rayen: lol..   you will love ubuntu
[05:21] <dashnu> heh i run six gentoo servers at work
[05:21] <eyequeue> but he's changing away from gentoo in under 24 hours, heh
[05:21] <rayen> yes, it's very fast but my sound system (alsasound server) doesn't work :(
[05:21] <rayen> so I thought i'll use an other distro
[05:21] <dashnu> i use ubuntu on my work laptop though
[05:21] <dashnu> its just easy
[05:21] <delire> rayen: that is probably fixed by 'alsaconf' however
[05:22] <sml> hi guys - need some quick advice please :)
[05:22] <Quinn_Storm> I started with slack way back when, had a quick brush with redhat, and have been with debian-based ever since, though I did actually try gentoo once and decided it was like going back about 5-10 years in a time machine and using slack, lol
[05:22] <sml> just messed up my xorg.conf
[05:22] <eyequeue> sml:  buy low, sell high
[05:22] <rayen> delire, yes i tryed that one, I can hear myself talking through the microphone, however playing mp3's and other soundformats doesn't work
[05:22] <sml> logged back in with the live cd
[05:22] <sml> how do i access the other data on my hard disk?
[05:22] <delire> rayen: what about the 'wave' format?
[05:22] <rayen> delire,  same there
[05:23] <delire> rayen that's very odd
[05:23] <peyre> eyequeue: are you still there? (I promise I won't flood. :-)
[05:23] <jiyuu0> ubuntu RC coming out today right?
[05:23] <Bazzi> most likely
[05:23] <eyequeue> sml:  my solution is typically to sudo mkdir /foo, and mount the partition in question on /foo
[05:23] <dashnu> Quinn_Storm, your crazy I run ~86 at home and the packages are for the most part shiny new
[05:23] <Quinn_Storm> rayen: can you cat something > /dev/dsp and get it to make noise?
[05:24] <Quinn_Storm> dashnu: oh no, not the newness of the packages, I meant it was like using old technology
[05:24] <eyequeue> peyre:  still here, coffee not quite done yet
[05:24] <rayen> Quinn_Storm, nope not really
[05:24] <Quinn_Storm> dashnu: apt is leaps and bounds ahead of compiling everything yourself
[05:24] <tristan_> if I try to install the Exim MTA, it wants to uninstall ubuntu-base
[05:24] <dashnu> Quinn_Storm, to each there own
[05:24] <tristan_> is this a problem?
[05:24] <Quinn_Storm> about the only thing I compile myself right now is kopete & that's b/c I'm working on some patches for it
[05:24] <dashnu> i will not start a war ;)
[05:24] <delire> tristan_: what about 'sendmail'?
[05:24] <Quinn_Storm> however I've gotta go for a little bit
[05:25] <peyre> eyequeue: I got past the dpkg error, but now I am getting messages about also and bogofilter. The dist-upgrade still won't go through.
[05:25] <dockane> delire, what about alsa-conf ? may i query you what synaptic says here to asla-util ?
[05:25] <tristan_> sendmail aslo removes postfix, and therefore ubuntu-base
[05:25] <eyequeue> sml:  such as sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda6 /foo
[05:26] <delire> dockane: to install alsaconf you need to add a debian testing line to your sources.list. for some silly reason it's not in Ubuntu base packages
[05:26] <lamont> tristan_: ubuntu-base is just there to force all of the base packages to get installed/upgraded
[05:26] <lamont> tristan_: so removing it won't hurt at all until the next dist-upgrade, when it may or may not hurt...
[05:26] <tristan_> I see
[05:26] <peyre> eyequeue: sorry, I meant alsa.
[05:26] <tristan_> thanks lamont and delire!  I will install exim MTA now.
[05:27] <eyequeue> peyre:  right
[05:27] <rcaskey_> does anyone know if the 6800 DDL plays nice?
[05:27] <lamont> tristan_: so for the next dist-upgrade (breezy timeframe), you would say apt-get -ud install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop and see what it wanted to remove, and what new packages it wanted to add... then you'd have to deal with that part yourself possibly
[05:27] <delire> dockane: do you want the entry to add to your sources.list? it'll mean a but of an upgrade though. there's always a risk of breaking a few pacakges.
[05:27] <zzyber> My Hoary Hedgehog preview 5.04 is freezing after upgrade or maybe it did it before buit ever since i went from warty i have had a problem with my computer hanging and i cant find the problem. Is there some known issues with Hoary Hedgehog? I have disabled acpi but after my computer frooze again. Its terrible irritating so if i cant find the problem i will go back to warty or go for debian sarge
[05:27] <delire> dockane: it worked for pat910 and myself however
[05:28] <lamont> zzyber: this is with the "preview" CD? not some other array CD?
[05:28] <eyequeue> okay, coffee finally ready
[05:28] <lamont> tristan_: mind you, you should really use postfix... it's much better than the rest... :-)
[05:29] <peyre> this is what it says, alsa-lib (1.0.7-1) unstable; urgency=high, then there are instructions about repairing the EMU file.
[05:29] <lamont> </postfix maintainer mode>
[05:29] <zzyber> lamont, yes its the previe
[05:29] <dockane> delire, i just started "amixer" and went through the output and found taht
[05:29] <dockane> :
[05:30] <lamont> zzyber: no known freeze issues there...
[05:30] <dockane> Simple mixer control 'Mic',0
[05:30] <dockane> 0 looks bad to my eyes
[05:30] <dockane> doenst it ?
[05:30] <kiro> hi
[05:31] <Amaranth> dockane: If you want your mic to work, yeah.
[05:31] <Amaranth> dockane: That should be adjustable from the Volume Control applet though.
[05:31] <zzyber> lamont, hmm, strange! It happens when i dont use the computer and when the screen has gone out. I have disabled powersaving but still i have the problem and the disk light is doing 100% when it freezes
[05:31] <dmoyne> stupid problem when opening a file with gimp I get this message :(gimp:8994): Gimp-File-WARNING **: file-utils.c:272:                                     cannot convert filename to UTF-8: Invalid byte sequen                                    ce in conversion input
[05:32] <delire> dockane: and if it's not then you don't have the appropriate entry in your /etc/modules.conf i would say
[05:32] <kiro> exists an installer, which uses kernel 2.6.11?
[05:32] <dmoyne> what is its meaning ? thanks
[05:32] <sls> how do I make evolution check spelling in swedish?
[05:32] <delire> kiro: why do you need the latest kernel?
[05:32] <Amaranth> kiro: Nope, 2.6.11 is only in universe.
[05:32] <sls> i did apt-cache search swed
[05:32] <lamont> zzyber: that sounds like a runaway process busying the machine with disk I/O... I imagine that's an IDE machine?
[05:32] <kiro> because of CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IT821X
[05:33] <sls> only found i18n kde
[05:33] <tritium> kiro, there are no linux-restricted-modules for 2.6.11 yet
[05:33] <delire> kiro: ahah. no chipset support.
[05:33] <tritium> kiro, do you have need of nvidia or ati drivers?
[05:33] <kiro> the module for this chipset it is not in kernel 2.6.8, which the normal deb-installer uses :(
[05:33] <zzyber> lamont, yes its a ide (sadly) but do you know a way to track this? Is itt logged somewere?
[05:34] <dazed> anyone up and about that can help me with a lil network problem?
[05:34] <dockane> but i do have a mic in my volume control which produces accoustic feedback when its set too high
[05:34] <dockane> does taht fit together ?
[05:34] <Quinn_Away> dazed: what's the problem?
[05:34] <delire> sls: you might want to try 'sylpheed' as i see it has swedish language support
[05:35] <dazed> iQuinn_Away: have a warty PC and a hoary Laptop...now when i goto "network:///" only the PC shows up and it only shows up in samba i mean i can explore and everything but it doesnt show up as NSF and the laptop doesnt show up at all
[05:35] <dockane> dazed, maybe just ask
[05:35] <dazed> dockane: i was typin lol
[05:35] <Quinn_Away> dazed: not sure, given I really don't use gnome
[05:35] <dazed> grr
[05:35] <sml> thanks guys
[05:36] <delire> dockane: i would seriously consider filing a bug with the Ubuntu developers. you shouldn't need to run alsaconf to have mic input working.
[05:36] <kiro> thanks, bye.
[05:36] <dazed> anyone else have any ideas?
[05:37] <delire> dazed: perhaps see #samba
[05:37] <Xappe> maybe nautilus ssh would work for you
[05:37] <delire> dazed: more specific support.
[05:37] <dazed> true
[05:37] <delire> dazed: yeah or nautilus ssh
[05:38] <dockane> delire, this is my /etc/modules : ide-cd ide-disk ide-generic lp mousedev psmouse
[05:39] <delire> dockane: not that file /etc/modules.conf
[05:40] <dockane> delire, ther is no such file
[05:40] <zzyber> is ubuntu Hoary Hedgehog a debian sarge or a debian sid?
[05:40] <delire> dockane: wow, odd. well this is where mixers are bound to hardware aliases
[05:41] <Xappe> zzyber: it's a Hoary the Hedgehog
[05:41] <dockane> delire, may i query you my locate modules.conf ?
[05:41] <delire> dockane: i would suggest adding 'deb ftp://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main' to your /etc/apt/sources.list, running 'apt-get update' and then 'apt-get install alsa-utils'. will give you the version that has alsaconf
[05:42] <delire> dockane: did you find it?
[05:42] <nydust> how do i add a windows shared printer to my system?
[05:42] <delire> nydust: you need to use CUPS, the Linux printing service
[05:42] <dockane> there are similiar files
[05:42] <delire> nydust: there should be a GUI for detecting this in Ubuntu
[05:43] <zzyber> Xappe, but its based on debian right? What level of debian has the ubuntu team developed from? Is it from debians testing or unstable?
[05:43] <tuukkah> zzyber, Ubuntu releases are stabilized from Debian sid
[05:43] <zzyber> tuukkah, okey, i thought so
[05:43] <speedy2782> I installed enlightenment on my ubuntu hoary installl. HOW DO I GET THIS CRAP OFF?
[05:43] <Xappe> speedy2782: sudo apt get remove enlightenment
[05:43] <Xappe> *apt-get
[05:44] <speedy2782> how do I get it to use metacity again:?
[05:44] <delire> dockane: hmmm... ok do this 'egrep -R  snd  /etc/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/'
[05:44] <brrrt> anyone experienced with webcams? which one should i buy ?
[05:44] <delire> brrrt: there is a good page about this...<thinks>
[05:44] <Xappe> speedy2782: are you using enlightenment in gnome?
[05:44] <speedy2782> I really don't know what I am doing
[05:45] <Xappe> hehe
[05:45] <delire> brrrt: http://zc0302.sourceforge.net/zc0302.php?page=cams
[05:45] <speedy2782> the way I launched gnome was through the gnome terminal
[05:45] <speedy2782> the way I launched gaim was through the gnome terminal
[05:45] <zzyber> i have used ubuntus preview for two weeks now and im not so happy anymore :-( It feels like the Hoary Hedgehog release are buggy and of course.........its a preview but i think i will go back to debian sarge and put my unstable applications there myself
[05:45] <Xappe> hmm, don't you have the old session in your gdm?
[05:45] <brrrt> delire: cools, thnx alot!
[05:46] <speedy2782> old session of what? and what is a gdm?
[05:46] <Xappe> speedy2782: gdm is the login screen
[05:46] <delire> speedy2782: the Gnome Display Manager
[05:46] <dockane> delire, no output
[05:46] <speedy2782> that is the same, It doesnt give me the option
[05:46] <speedy2782> I will double check
[05:47] <delire> dockane: hah, bad news. i would do what i suggested above. at least to get alsaconf on board. you should have alsaconf already in /sbin/alsaconf. i don't know why it's not on your system but there have been others
[05:48] <nydust> delire, the printer is shared on a windows computer, what is the url for it? smb://oystein/epson760?
[05:49] <speedy2782> whew!
[05:49] <Xappe> speedy2782: well?
[05:49] <speedy2782> enlightenment sucks
[05:49] <speedy2782> and you were right
[05:49] <delire> nydust: you shouldn't need to do that. do you have an application on board that shows you printers on the network? perhaps openoffice, xpp, or printconf
[05:49] <Xappe> speedy2782: now you can remove it :)
[05:49] <nydust> aha
[05:50] <speedy2782> Linux is so rediculously customizable over windows that I am able so screw everything up..but is seems easy to fix in the hands of someone who isn't me
[05:50] <speedy2782> and I Like this chat room cause I always find help
[05:50] <dockane> delire, ok. before i do so, does that fit together that ive got sound OUTput ?
[05:50] <delire> speedy2782: precisely. if windows was as customiseable, the world would be on it's knees ;)
[05:50] <speedy2782> sometimes great help, and sometimes begrudgedly but I get it none the less
[05:50] <Xappe> coustomize that Bill G!
[05:51] <delire> dockane: yes, just not specified properly. if unsure you can always try #debian. don't tell them you're using Ubuntu, they can be a bit tough on that, and ask there to double-check
[05:52] <tritium> dockane, when he's around, crimsun is the one to ask
[05:52] <mercurus> whee ! got bridge working !!
[05:52] <speedy2782> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=13548&file1=13548-1.jpg&file2=13548-2.jpg&file3=&name=MacOS-X+Aqua+Theme
[05:52] <delire> dockane: i would be more affirmative here, but i am long time Debian user, and have my Ubuntu box elsewhere
[05:53] <speedy2782> how Do I get the doc bar at the bottom of that link
[05:53] <tritium> dockane, I do know that crimsun would oppose the idea of installing alsa-conf
[05:53] <delire> tritium: and so he would have people manually edit /etc/modules.conf?
[05:53] <tritium> delire, no, I didn't say that
[05:54] <delire> tritium: hehe good ;)
[05:54] <speedy2782> any ideas on how to get a docking bar- similar to macox
[05:54] <tritium> But I do konw that alsa-conf is rather buggy
[05:54] <Dreamer3> anyone familiar with evolution and IMAP?
[05:54] <delire> i suspect Ubuntu has it's own special way of setting up the sound card. given the number of people with issues in this area, it would be good to hear from an experienced ubuntu user as to how ubuntu likes it done.
[05:55] <Xappe> speedy2782: gdesklets perhaps
[05:55] <z993126> I looked on google for info about usb2 in Linux and came up with a page mentioning EHCI driver for usb2 high-speed support...but Synaptic doesn't list it (with universe/multiverse enabled)...
[05:55] <delire> tritium: alsaconf has worked for me for many years
[05:55] <delire> tritium: but it may be these days.
[05:55] <St_Neurion> Can anyone tell me a media player that works on Ubuntu that plays .avi's outside of the src attribute?
[05:56] <tritium> delire, he's involved in the alsa project, and he doesn't recommend it.  He's also our resident alsa/sound expert
[05:56] <tritium> it being alsa-conf
[05:56] <delire> z993126: what your looking for needs to be enabled in the kernel. are you sure Ubuntu doesn't have usb2 support already?
[05:56] <delire> tritium: great, he's the perfect guy to ask
[05:57] <Dreamer3> hmmmmmm
[05:57] <delire> tritium: on my debian machines it's actually 'alsaconf' not 'alsa-conf' however
[05:57] <tritium> yep, that's why I told him to
[05:57] <z993126> I don't know...but I do know the external USB2 drive I plugged in only transfers at full-speed, not high
[05:57] <St_Neurion> Can anyone tell me a media player that works on Ubuntu that plays .avi's outside of the src attribute? Totem only plays the audio of my movie files and I can't find VLC player that works for Ubuntu
[05:57] <z993126> try mplayer
[05:57] <Dreamer3> evolution shows no items in trash by sylpheed claws shows like 2,000 that are marked as deleted, but never have been.... wondering how to get evolution to see or remove them
[05:57] <St_Neurion> downloadable from...?
[05:57] <Xappe> St_Neurion: VLC should be in universe I think
[05:58] <delire> z993126: when it's plugged in you can 'tail' or follow the system logs with either 'dmesg' or 'tail -f /var/log/syslog'
[05:58] <speedy2782> z9980097013412346196234: can you make mplayer play full screen?
[05:58] <EddieX> Is there any good "mips" emulator to code assambler on for linux?
[05:58] <z993126> ...I need to figure out how to get mplayer to compile with gui though...if you hit 'f' while playing it goes fullscreen but doesn't scale the video
[05:58] <St_Neurion> that's what I thought Xappe, but I can't find where the Ubuntu version is
[05:58] <delire> speedy2782: mplayer -zoom movie.avi
[05:58] <speedy2782> apt-get install mplayer....or use the synaptic
[05:58] <delire> z993126: mplayer -zoom does
[05:58] <tritium> EddieX, spim
[05:58] <speedy2782> delire: from the terminal?
[05:58] <delire> yes
[05:58] <St_Neurion> synaptic it is
[05:58] <Xappe> St_Neurion: I use the ubuntu VLC
[05:58] <EddieX> tritium, Ok, will check that :) Thanks
[05:59] <speedy2782> delire, can you full screen from the window/
[05:59] <delire> i think the compile flags for gui support are './configure --enable-gui && make && make install'
[05:59] <jamminpotato> i was intrested in ubuntu so i downloaded the warty live cd, and i got to the first screen where you choose wha mode to boot in but then when it went to boot it gave me an error and said attempting some sort of audit
[05:59] <Xappe> St_Neurion: should be as easy as a sudo apt-get install vlc (or wxvlc)
[05:59] <delire> speedy2782: yes
[05:59] <jamminpotato> anyone know whats going on?
[05:59] <speedy2782> gdesklets, what is it exactly, and do you know where I would find the theme for macosx doc bar?
[05:59] <St_Neurion> well, here's the download site at videolan.org, http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ should I be getting any of these?
[06:00] <delire> speedy2782: are funky graphical eye-candy for your gnome desktop
[06:00] <Xappe> vlc is good, but the support for .wmv is quite bad
[06:00] <delire> St_Neurion: can you 'apt-cache search vlc' and see it in the output?
[06:00] <EddieX> Seems perfect tritium, thanks
[06:00] <tritium> EddieX, I'm glad :)
[06:00] <EddieX> Hehe :)
[06:00] <delire> St_Neurion: there is also 'xine', not a bad DVD player - menu support etc
[06:00] <z993126> i think i tried compiling last niht but it said gui wasn't enabled...and i used the --enable-gui switch.
[06:01] <St_Neurion> yes, vlc is there, thnks delire
[06:01] <St_Neurion> I'll get it through that
[06:01] <Xappe> z993126: to run with the gui, execute gmplayer
[06:01] <delire> z993126: hmm, not sure why it wouldn't work. did you check it wasn't another switch? see ./configure --help
[06:01] <dockane> delire, apt-get update does not work
[06:02] <tritium> dockane, you're using sudo apt-get update?
[06:02] <delire> dockane: a GPG verification error. hmm..
[06:02] <St_Neurion> sudo apt-get vlc gives me invalid operation
[06:03] <St_Neurion> is there something I'm missing in there?
[06:03] <tritium> sudo apt-get install vlc
[06:03] <St_Neurion> thanks
[06:03] <Xappe> sudo apt-get install vlc
[06:03] <delire> dockane: before upgrading, i would take tritiums advice to talk to an alsa developer that turns up here from time to time.
[06:03] <Xappe> oh, too late :P
[06:04] <delire> dockane: it seems Ubuntu has it's own way of managing alsa aliases (not in /etc/modules.conf) etc
[06:04] <dockane> tritium, yes
[06:04] <z993126> humm ok it says it's a full-speed device even though i know it's high-speed...how do i fix that?
[06:04] <dockane> so
[06:04] <delire> dockane: i meant that as a last-ditch effort ;)
[06:04] <tritium> dockane, what error is it giving you?
[06:05] <dockane> a GPG verification error
[06:05] <delire> z993126: does it say it's connecting as a usb2 device?
[06:05] <tritium> dockane, using Marillat's repo?
[06:06] <z993126> whups, hang on, I'm trying to do 2 things at once here...
[06:06] <delire> tritium: i pointed him to debian testing to get alsaconf. it fixed several other people's soundcard issues earlier and some days ago.
[06:06] <dockane> tritium, whats that ?
[06:07] <speedy2782> how often are the repositories updated?
[06:07] <z993126> Vendor: Genesys   Model: USB to IDE Disk...so no
[06:07] <tritium> delire, well, that's good that you helped them fix things up
[06:07] <tritium> dockane, people using ftp.nerim.net often get GPG errors
[06:07] <delire> tritium: one poor guy had no sound for 3 days after install.
[06:07] <tritium> dockane, if that's what it is: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary/
[06:08] <tritium> delire, it does seem to be one of the more common problems
[06:08] <malte`> when will the RC isos be available?!?!?!!? :|
[06:08] <delire> tritium .. perhaps he can delete the lock file
[06:08] <Seveas> dockane: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 && gpg --export --armor 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add /proc/self/fd/0
[06:08] <delire> or that..
[06:09] <tritium> that's what the above URL describes
[06:09] <tritium> (importing Marillat's gpg key)
[06:10] <delire> no, this shouldn't be marillat's key. i gave him deb ftp://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main
[06:10] <delire> this is what he's updating against to get alsaconf.. as a last ditch effort
[06:10] <tritium> I'm referring to what Seveas posted.
[06:10] <tritium> It's the info from the URL I have dockane
[06:11] <dockane> tritium, sorry had to phone. no, its togeter with a debian testing line
[06:11] <Termy> Hi
[06:11] <tritium> dockane, ok, then nevermind the above
[06:11] <delire> tritium: yep, dockane has no problem with GPG authentication against marrilat. he's not trying to update to that repo.
[06:11] <tritium> okay, sounds like a non-issue, then, since you're having him use debian reops
[06:11] <tritium> repos
[06:12] <Termy> If i ordered a CD yesterday will i recieve it, or will i have to wait for the new version to be released?
[06:12] <EddieX> Termy i think it will ship when new version is here
[06:12] <z993126> er...i downloaded the player-1.0-pre5 code to my home dir, extracted it to subfolder and am compiling it there, but I already installed mplayer via Synaptic, how do I replace the old version with my new compile?
[06:12] <Xappe> Termy: the release is within a week :)
[06:12] <Xappe> almost
[06:12] <delire> dockane: i don't know how to help in that case. you should wait for tritium's friend to assist.
[06:13] <dockane> delire, what was hin name again please ?
[06:13] <dockane> *his
[06:13] <delire> ask tritium
[06:13] <Xappe> crimsun i guess
[06:13] <tritium> dockane, crimsun
[06:13] <tritium> he's away right now
[06:13] <z993126> er on the make of mplayer i'm getting a whole lot of errors like "install: cannot remove `/usr/local/bin/mplayer': Permission denied
[06:13] <z993126> make: *** [install]  Error 1"
[06:13] <firstknight> Hi, I try to install grub to floppy... sudo grub-install /dev/fd0..... The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.
[06:13] <dockane> ah, thnx. ok i will ask him
[06:14] <z993126> should I remove my old one first?
[06:14] <delire> ok, luck dockane. it's likely just a trivial problem i can't resolve from here without knowing more.
[06:14] <delire> night all
[06:14] <dockane> good night delire
[06:21] <acidburn> Hey guys...
[06:21] <acidburn> I have an hp 930c printer...
[06:21] <[nrx] > hey mr original
[06:21] <nmsa> good evening
[06:21] <[nrx] > ;p
[06:21] <acidburn> And I just installed Ubuntu in my computer...
[06:21] <acidburn> How do I install my printer?
[06:22] <speedy2782> acidburn: have you looked at ubuntuguide.org
[06:22] <willis> acidburn, System->Administration->Printing
[06:23] <Termy> So my CD's will be dispatched within a week?
[06:23] <Termy> Sorry, i was having dinner
[06:23] <acidburn> How do I get to System>Administration>Printing?
[06:23] <[nrx] > my cd's took around a 2 week to arrive from the point of ordering
[06:23] <acidburn> I just got ubuntu today...
[06:23] <speedy2782> or searched the forums. ubuntuforums.org
[06:23] <punjab12> is ubuntu rc1 out?
[06:24] <Termy> I ordered the CD's last night
[06:24] <acidburn> I'm not sure how to use it yet.
[06:24] <willis> acidburn, the system menu at the top of your screen
[06:24] <z993126> acidburn: Computer>System Configuration>Printing
[06:24] <z993126> (least that's what it is on Warty)
[06:24] <willis> ah true i was doing it from hoary
[06:25] <Bizzeh> anyone got a creative jukebox? and can access a windows install?
[06:26] <z993126> is Hoary easier to use than Warty?
[06:26] <Termy> Hoary is a more updated version of Warty
[06:26] <[nrx] > Warty's fine for me
[06:26] <Termy> But it is currently in preview mode
[06:27] <Amaranth> hoary is the name of the next version of Ubuntu
[06:27] <Termy> When Hoary is released, new CD's will be dispatched (I think/hope)
[06:28] <msumu> do someone know why do WASPS play golf ?
[06:28] <HiddenWolf> Termy, that's true
[06:28] <jamminpotato> arrrgh my warty live cd = not happy
[06:28] <msumu> yo ! do someone know why do WASPS play golf ?
[06:28] <jamminpotato> like it wont start booting, iget to the oot options screen
[06:28] <jamminpotato> and then it gives an error
[06:29] <jamminpotato> and says something about auditing
[06:29] <z993126> umm...after doing a "./configure --enable-gui && make && make install" on mplayer-1.0-pre5 I get some errors such as "Reading config file /home/username/.mplayer/gui.conf: No such file or directory" ...
[06:29] <jamminpotato> anyone else had that problem?
[06:29] <jamminpotato> im download the hoary live now and gona try that
[06:29] <msumu> jamminpotato, getting mad with warty ?
[06:30] <jamminpotato> no i just want it to wok
[06:30] <sig> z993126: here:  http://johnvansickle.com/mplayer
[06:30] <jamminpotato> i know that live cd's work on ym ocmpy cuase i've run suse live before
[06:30] <sig> also z993126 why not apt-get install mplayer?
[06:30] <jamminpotato> but warty is being mean
[06:30] <dazed_> can anyone tell me why one of my ubuntu comuters shows up in "network:///" as an smb folder not nsf and the other ubuntu computer will not show up at all??
[06:30] <z993126> because that doesn't compile with the gui enabled
[06:30] <z993126> er isn't compiled with
[06:31] <sig> z993126:  well install the gui
[06:31] <sig> there is a gui in the repos
[06:31] <z993126> that's what i'm trying to figure out how to do
[06:31] <z993126> ^^;
[06:31] <msumu> jamminpotato, be cool dude. you got problems cuz you din't it download the right cd
[06:31] <jamminpotato> how did i not download the right cd
[06:31] <sig> z993126: looks like your doing it from a tar.gz
[06:32] <z993126> yeah
[06:32] <sig> and not via apt-get
[06:32] <jamminpotato> it said i386-warty-live
[06:32] <sig> what package did you grab?
[06:32] <Bazzi> jamminpotato wrong platform amybe.
[06:32] <Bazzi> jamminpotato what cpu you got?
[06:32] <msumu> jamminpotato, the cd you got is fake
[06:32] <jamminpotato> athlon XP-M
[06:32] <jamminpotato> how is it a fake cd?
[06:32] <Bazzi> msumu fake cd?
[06:32] <jamminpotato> i downoaded it from one of the official mirror and burnt it with my own hands
[06:32] <z993126> should i kill this and retry apt-get, then you can tell me how to get the gui for it working?
[06:33] <sig> z993126: let me look
[06:33] <msumu> Bazzi, he may have got the iso but didn't burn it right
[06:33] <sig> z993126: go to #linuxdojo where it isn't so congested
[06:33] <jamminpotato> burned properly
[06:33] <speedy2782> when I run gdesklets nothing happens
[06:33] <speedy2782> what do I need to do
[06:33] <acidburn> Ok. I see Printing under COmputer>SystemConfiguration>Printing
[06:33] <speedy2782> open that up
[06:33] <acidburn> I guess I have a different version of Ubuntu...
[06:34] <jamminpotato> i did it liek every other iso i've ever burned....i went into Alcohol 120
[06:34] <jamminpotato> and then i burnt it
[06:34] <speedy2782> is there a place that says add new printer
[06:34] <msumu> speedy2782, which version you got ?
[06:34] <speedy2782> haory
[06:35] <speedy2782> does anyone know how to configure gdesklets
[06:35] <jamminpotato> hopegfully the hoary live wil work
[06:35] <jamminpotato> if not i culd order a cd
[06:35] <speedy2782> I run applications "gdesklets" the comp pretends to think about it...but no dice
[06:36] <msumu> speedy2782, you must have the gdesklets data packages installed
[06:36] <exalted> hi, when the preview will be released on 6 April, will be removed all the text saying "preview"on various sides of the system with just a single update or something else? thx
[06:36] <cusco> hi
[06:36] <cusco> what do I use to burn cd's?
[06:36] <cusco> I mean
[06:36] <cusco> to burn a mp3/ogg album to a audio cd?
[06:36] <msumu> speedy2782, ?
[06:39] <speedy2782> i am back
[06:39] <Termy> wb
[06:41] <[nrx_] > folks... anyone got any suggestions for this error...
[06:41] <[nrx_] > Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure.
[06:41] <[nrx_] >     Name change: '/dev/dm-0' -> '/dev/evms/hda1'
[06:41] <dockane> crimsun ?
[06:41] <crimsun> dockane: yes?
[06:41] <crimsun> (I only have a few minutes; I have a class to teach shortly)
[06:42] <dockane> i was told to ask you for my little mic problem  with alsa ... everything regarding sound works fine but not the mic (integrated mic on a thinkpad t21, hoary)
[06:43] <crimsun> dockane: ok, so using snd-cs4232 or snd-cs4236?
[06:43] <dockane> crimsun, " Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator]  (rev 01)"
[06:44] <dockane> dockane, where do i get the info from you asked for ?
[06:44] <dockane> *crimsun
[06:44] <crimsun> dockane: please paste the output of ,,amixer'' onto pastebin.com
[06:44] <crimsun> dockane: (that would have been ,,lsmod|grep ^snd_cs'')
[06:46] <dockane> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/264825
[06:47] <cusco> please, what program do I use to burn mp3 to audio cds?
[06:47] <crimsun> dockane: and lsmod?
[06:47] <dockane> crimsun, snd_cs46xx             86472  4
[06:47] <crimsun> dockane: excellent.
[06:48] <crimsun> dockane: please make sure mic, capture, and adc are all unmuted and toggled for capture
[06:49] <jcotellese> Can someone tell me how to add more items to the default Gnome menu. Is there a menu editor?
[06:49] <crimsun> dockane: sorry, but I have to go.  That should resolve your recording issue.
[06:49] <Termy> Bye crimsun
[06:49] <crimsun> bye
[06:49] <dockane> crimsun, THNX  bye
[06:50] <dockane> lol it works
[06:51] <dockane> umlau : 
[06:52] <dockane> geht ?
[06:54] <bitar> hey all
[06:54] <bitar> does Firefox in Ubuntu have a problem with opening Javascrip t and .jsp pages????
[06:55] <bitar> i'm trying to to log to my Isp provider but clickin "OK" doesn't seem to work:S
[06:55] <bitar> i tried mozilla
[06:55] <bitar> same eeffect..
[06:55] <bitar> did it ever happen to someone?
[06:56] <Bazzi> does it work on windows?
[06:56] <bitar> yeah.. perfectly..
[06:57] <Bazzi> maybe the settings are different by default
[06:57] <bitar> what do you mean?
[06:57] <Bazzi> like javascript stuff is disabled in ubuntu by default or something else affecting this
[06:57] <Bazzi> missing plugin
[06:57] <Bazzi> or whatnot
[06:57] <bitar> Bazzi: is there a plugin i can install from the cd?
[06:58] <z993126> how do I force usb2 usage for a device which is usb2-compatible but ubuntu doesn't autorecognize as usb2?
[06:58] <Bazzi> bitar dunno whats missing/wrong :)
[06:58] <bitar> :(
[07:03] <davidw> wow, what a ton of people...
[07:03] <[nrx_] > is there a 'file manager' in ubuntu?
[07:03] <davidw> question: I am looking for dedicated hosting (ie I have a machine with root on it that's not shared) with Ubuntu - does that exist?
[07:03] <brob_> I previously had higher screen resolution options using hoary, but after an update yesterday I am now max out at 1024x768
[07:04] <brob_> why is this
[07:04] <Myrtti> [nrx_] : yes.
[07:04] <dockane> brob_, check your xorg.0.log
[07:04] <jcotellese> nrx_: From the menu -> Places -> Home
[07:05] <[nrx_] > jcotellese, i'm running xfce-4
[07:05] <z993126> ubuntu's file manager is nautilus, you access it via Computer>Home, Desktop, Disks, or Network
[07:05] <z993126> (er for Warty)
[07:05] <[nrx_] > z993126, nautilus only seems to display the home dir
[07:05] <queuetue> Does anyone know what package I need to install to get emacs with an x interface (not xemacs, which is different...)
[07:05] <jcotellese> nrx_: In the Nautuls Window press Alt->Up
[07:06] <vince`> brob_, i remember i had the same behaviour. i just added "1280x1024" to the "modes"-line in section "screen" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:06] <[nrx_] > jcotellese, nothing more like explorer? lol
[07:06] <brob_> vince`, cool thanks
[07:07] <vince`> welcome. then just restart X and select the resolution in gnome
[07:07] <[nrx_] > in gnome, there was the option for browsing the network and now, in xfce, i don't have that.. are there any alternatives?
[07:08] <jcotellese> nrx_: Don't know what is available in Gnome. I came from KDE and always used Konqueror. I'm also partial to Midnight Commander from a console.
[07:08] <z993126> whups, I seem to have killed xmms
[07:08] <[nrx_] > gah
[07:08] <jcotellese> Can someone tell me how I can install a debian package from source. I want to recompile rhythmbox to add MP4 support.
[07:09] <jcotellese> nrx_: In a nautilus window can you select Places->Network?
[07:10] <[nrx_] > jcotellese, no ;/
[07:10] <Levander> Hey, last night I tried running "sudo firefox" and it managed to blow away my bookmarks file for firefox.  Anybody know a way to get them back? Or, I gotta start all over?
[07:11] <davidw> Levander: perhaps it just messed up the permissions?
[07:11] <grogoreo> hi
[07:12] <Levander> davidw: no, i went into the .mozilla directory, bookmarks.html is empty.  Plus, I re-ran it under sudo, bookmarks where still gone.
[07:12] <kain> Levander, if you do sudo firefox it starts as root
[07:12] <Levander> kain: i know
[07:12] <grogoreo> how can I close a fullscreen application? I have a game (Half Life 2 running with Cedega) and there is a problem with it. All I want to do is 'kill' it or something
[07:12] <Levander> funny thing is, while it was running as sudo last night, the bookmarks were there
[07:12] <Levander> if it blew them away, it blew them away on shutdown, or maybe after reading them on startup
[07:13] <spike> is there something like packages.debian.org? I need to check out if some apps are included in ubuntu or not...
[07:13] <jcotellese> Levander: Did you check to see if it created a separate profile directory?
[07:13] <davidw> (why were you running it with sudo anyway? ?!)
[07:14] <Levander> jcotellese: i looked for /root/.mozilla, that directory wasn't there, don't know where else to look
[07:14] <Levander> davidw: was experiment to see if the firefox auto-update feature would work, didn't think it would blow anything away
[07:15] <davidw> running stuff as root has the potential to blow *everything* away:-)
[07:15] <Levander> spike: which distribution? hoary or warty?  i have a link for hoary, not for warty
[07:15] <oris_wolfbane> does anybodfy know a good screen recording program?
[07:15] <Levander> davidw: no kidding
[07:16] <Levander> oris_wolfbane: u want a screenshot or a video of the screen?
[07:16] <spike> Levander: warty actually. but can u paste the one for hoary anyway, please?
[07:16] <Levander> spike: hold on, gotta find it, lost my bookmarks last night
[07:17] <oris_wolfbane> vevander, video
[07:17] <i3dmaster> oris_wolfbane: script cmd will recored everything you type on console
[07:17] <Levander> spike: actually, this isn't how I've been using this site, but just looked, looks like they do list warty packages also:  http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[07:18] <Levander> i've been doing google site:higgs. (etc) searchs on that url, but appending "hoary/" onto the end of that URL.  But just try the search on that link I gave u
[07:18] <Dr_Jekyll> hi
[07:18] <queuetue> how do I re-run the dpkg configuration for a package?
[07:18] <Levander> oris_wolfbane: sorry, don't know for video
[07:18] <WeirdAl> How do I get it to start up with numlock on? :-)
[07:18] <Levander> queuetue: there a dpkg-reconfigure script u can try
[07:19] <Levander> queuetue: like "dpkg-reconfigure python2.3"
[07:19] <Dr_Jekyll> my usb 4in1 cardreader doesn't work in warty :(
[07:19] <oris_wolfbane> i3dmaster, no good its for a tutorial style thing
[07:19] <Dr_Jekyll>  /proc/bus/usb/devices says, driver is (none), how to set a driver?
[07:20] <Dr_Jekyll> its a cheapy noname cardreader
[07:20] <queuetue> Ah, istalling emacs21 *deinstalls* emacs21-nox.  Very clever.
[07:20] <i3dmaster> oh... something like remote presentation...
[07:21] <bitar> hey all again....
[07:21] <z993126> wahoo i got the gui for mplayer working...
[07:22] <z993126> dunno why it doesn't include any skins...
[07:22] <z993126> "P
[07:22] <z993126> P even
[07:22] <bitar> i am going to Applications/System tools/ network tools/ then choosing my network device then press on Configure, it's telling me: To tun this tool you need administrator privilidges"
[07:23] <bitar> how can i log in as root?
[07:23] <bitar> what's the root password?
[07:23] <spike> Levander: tnx much
[07:23] <wim> just use your own password bitar
[07:23] <wim> you're in sudo list probably
[07:24] <bitar> wim: i log in with my passoword? but it's telling me that i have to enter as root :S
[07:24] <St0n3-C0l> bitar: lol
[07:24] <Levander> when is hoary supposed to be released? is there a good web page with information on hoary on the ubuntu web site?
[07:24] <St0n3-C0l> just put the password or press Enter and see what happens
[07:25] <bitar> it says wrong password
[07:25] <St0n3-C0l> I think bydefault Ubuntu doesn't ask for root password
[07:25] <St0n3-C0l> bitar: go in terminal and type 'passwd root'
[07:25] <St0n3-C0l> sudo passwd root
[07:25] <St0n3-C0l> for a new password
[07:25] <thundrcleeze> hi, anyone know how to tile windows in gnome (I'm trying to tile xchat channels, only way I could see to do that is to detach the tabs)
[07:25] <Riddell> Levander: next week, see wiki
[07:26] <bitar> St0n3-C0l: so  "sudo passwd root" then i press enter and then put the password?
[07:26] <St0n3-C0l> bitar: set the new password ;)
[07:26] <St0n3-C0l> and after that Retry your Network tools and then put the password u set
[07:26] <St0n3-C0l> Kubuntu is good :P
[07:27] <St0n3-C0l> I'll do that eh
[07:27] <St0n3-C0l> Since I tried Ubuntu Hoary :P
[07:27] <bitar> is it  " sudo foo root" or "sudo passwd root" & then pass ?
[07:27] <bitar> is it  " sudo foo root" or "sudo passwd root" & then foo ?
[07:27] <St0n3-C0l> sudo passwd root
[07:27] <PD> hi have a small problem with my boss laptop
[07:27] <St0n3-C0l> yeah it'll ask for a new password
[07:27] <PD> on my advice he installed ubuntu from windows
[07:27] <wim> bitar, what do you see when you do "groups" in terminal?
[07:27] <bitar> St0n3-C0l: alright
[07:27] <St0n3-C0l> type watever u want to
[07:27] <St0n3-C0l> okay :)
[07:28] <wim> you should be part of admin group if you wanna use network config tool
[07:28] <St0n3-C0l> From Windows ??
[07:28] <St0n3-C0l> or having windows beside
[07:28] <bitar> ah ok..
[07:28] <PD> now theres a problem with the vnc cserver in his comp
[07:28] <bitar> brb
[07:28] <bitar> i wanna try it..
[07:28] <bitar> gotta log back in Ubuntu
[07:28] <PD> i installed vncserver on this machine
[07:29] <thundrcleeze> anyone know how to tile windows in gnome (I'm trying to tile xchat channels, only way I could see to do that is to detach the tabs)
[07:29] <PD> it worked fine for a few days
[07:29] <alterim> hey can someone tell what theme this is: http://clearlooks.sourceforge.net/screenshots/
[07:29] <PD> no the vnc session wouldn't end
[07:29] <alterim> i know it's clearlooks, but is it the version that ships with hoary?
[07:29] <PD> *now the
[07:30] <PD> even after removing vncserver and rebooting the machine the vnc session would not go
[07:30] <St0n3-C0l> I think Ubuntu's Theme of Clearlooks looks like this
[07:30] <PD> the nmap output looks like this
[07:30] <alterim> hmm does it?
[07:30] <St0n3-C0l> not sure...now on Sarge and was using Human Theme when I was on Ubuntu
[07:30] <alterim> i've got clearlooks as my theme on ubuntu and it looks nothing like that lower screenshot
[07:30] <PD> 22/tcp   open  ssh
[07:30] <PD> 111/tcp  open  rpcbind
[07:30] <PD> 631/tcp  open  ipp
[07:30] <PD> 635/tcp  open  unknown
[07:30] <PD> 5800/tcp open  vnc-http
[07:30] <PD> 5801/tcp open  vnc-http-1
[07:30] <PD> 5900/tcp open  vnc
[07:30] <xerox> It is, alterim.
[07:31] <PD> does any one know how to stop the vncserver
[07:31] <alterim> hmm
[07:31] <alterim> i must have the wrong settings
[07:31] <alterim> maybe it's not clearlooks 0.4 i have
[07:32] <alterim> i want my ubuntu to look like that lower screenshot, basically
[07:32] <xerox> alterim: did you completely shut down ubuntu and restarted it, after the theme upgrade?
[07:32] <alterim> hmm i haven't upgraded any themes
[07:32] <xerox> (..or at least gnome)
[07:32] <alterim> i just installed ubuntu 5.04 a week or so ago
[07:32] <PD> davidw hi remember me
[07:32] <xerox> alterim: so upgrade :)
[07:33] <alterim> i have no net connection on my linux
[07:33] <alterim> how to upgrade? and what am i upgrading to?
[07:33] <alterim> clearlooks 0.4 ?
[07:33] <alterim> how do i find out what version i have
[07:33] <alterim> plus, 0.5 is out
[07:34] <JDigital> Hey guys, I just got a Palm, how do I put things on it
[07:34] <JDigital> with Ubuntu
[07:34] <St0n3-C0l> xerox: Is there 0.4 in Hoary ?
[07:34] <PD> ubutnut works exclellent with palms
[07:34] <St0n3-C0l> Clearlooks
[07:34] <PD> gnome-pilot should dod the trick
[07:34] <St0n3-C0l> It looks good ;)
[07:34] <wim> i've got question as well - i noticed that automake from the respository on ubuntu (5.04) is very old (it's from 2001), is there a reason automake doesn't get an upgrade to a newer version, since version 1.9 is already out for a long time also
[07:34] <JDigital> I have gnome-pilot
[07:35] <alterim> hmm. crazy that someone can't actually tell me exactly how i get my desktop to look like the one in that screenshot
[07:35] <PD> JDigital connect it and try syncing
[07:35] <JDigital> I got it to sync
[07:35] <JDigital> it was fiddly but I found a thread on the forums and I can get it to sync
[07:35] <PD> i tried a Treo 600 everythings works with it
[07:35] <PD> ok cool
[07:35] <JDigital> how do I get things onto it from there
[07:35] <xerox> St0n3-C0l: I don't exactly know, but it looks like it.
[07:36] <PD> doyou have Kontact
[07:36] <St0n3-C0l> Yeah
[07:36] <JDigital> I don't think so
[07:36] <St0n3-C0l> same opinion :P
[07:36] <PD> JDigital you can sync everything between Kontact stuu and the palm
[07:36] <St0n3-C0l> U can try ;)
[07:36] <thundrcleeze> Anyone know if there's a way to tile windows in gnome?
[07:36] <St0n3-C0l> if ur using Hoary and GNOME
[07:36] <PD> JDigital install kontact
[07:36] <PD> and try
[07:36] <alterim> what is Metacity?
[07:36] <PD> it should work
[07:37] <Dr_Willis> the default gnome wondow manager
[07:37] <St0n3-C0l> Yea
[07:37] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[07:37] <alterim> i've downloaded clearlooks 0.5 tar.gz
[07:37] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. trying to track down a log monitor for my linksys router.
[07:37] <alterim> how do i install this?
[07:37] <alterim> anyone?
[07:37] <Dr_Willis> anyone got a name/clue? google is gomming up empty for me
[07:38] <alterim> CAN SOMEONE TELL ME HOW TO INSTALL A TAR.GZ ? THANKS!
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> alterim,  you dont. :P
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> you may intall the stuff IN the file...
[07:38] <St0n3-C0l> hmm
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> and it titally depenes on what the file is.
[07:38] <xerox> alterim: you'd better find a .deb package of that program, what is it?
[07:38] <Roey> Is it possible to rm /dev/null? (no I will not try it)
[07:38] <DarthFrog> alterim: TAR ZVF FILE.TAR.GZ
[07:39] <St0n3-C0l> i think we install in the folder /home/user/.metacity
[07:39] <St0n3-C0l> ?
[07:39] <JDigital> Wait, does Kontact work in GNOME
[07:39] <alterim> XEROZ I HAVE TO FIND A .DEB?!
[07:39] <JDigital> I use GNOME see
[07:39] <alterim> WHY CAN'T SOMEONE TELL ME SOMETHING USEFUL
[07:39] <alterim> christ on a bike
[07:39] <xerox> alterim: try without the caps lock.
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> if you are ueing a theme.. gnome has its own theme installer i belive
[07:39] <alterim> one person says do this, one person says do that
[07:39] <thundrcleeze> Why can't you stop shouting?
[07:39] <DarthFrog> alterim: CUZ YOU"RE SHOUTING!
[07:39] <xerox> alterim: what is the program.
[07:39] <alterim> cos i get fucking sick at linux peoples definiton of helping a newbie
[07:39] <alterim> i was talking before
[07:39] <Roey> then there are the people who start complaining that their ears are hurting
[07:39] <alterim> i am trying to install clearlooks 0.5 dammit
[07:40] <St0n3-C0l> alterim: tar -zxvf filename.tar.gz -C /home/yourusername/.themes
[07:40] <PD> JDigital it does
[07:40] <xerox> alterim: there is a simple procedure for themes, it's probably described in the README file, altrought you can try this:
[07:40] <alterim> St0n3-C0l that's great so why did the other guy tell me i had to get a .deb?
[07:40] <xerox> System -> Preferences -> Themes -> Install
[07:40] <St0n3-C0l> I don't know :P
[07:40] <St0n3-C0l> Do this and check Themes
[07:40] <St0n3-C0l> it'll be there
[07:40] <alterim> that's what fucks me off
[07:40] <alterim> you tell me that
[07:41] <alterim> but someone else says i need a .deb
[07:41] <xerox> "Install Theme" -> Browse location
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> because you INSTALL programs with a .deb
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> themes - it depennds on the window manager and a dozen other things.
[07:41] <alterim> Dr_Willis, but the other guy just said i don't need a .deb
[07:41] <JDigital> You can use either
[07:41] <xerox> alterim: shut the f*ck up, I asked you WHAT program you needed to install and 1) you didn't answered, 2) it ISN'T a PROGRAM at all.
[07:41] <alterim> why no coherency
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> a theme MAY come as a deb also. and would be easially installed
[07:41] <xerox> alterim: did you TRY to do what I said?
[07:41] <alterim> i don't recall saying it was a program
[07:41] <St0n3-C0l> alterim: I think you should use your mind in installing Themes, not in this case
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> there are a great many themes installable with the apt-get stuff
[07:41] <alterim> well no, because i'll have to boot out of xp first
[07:42] <^NightHawk^> ihi
[07:42] <^NightHawk^> hi
[07:42] <St0n3-C0l> Everyone gave their different opinions
[07:42] <alterim> opinions?
[07:42] <St0n3-C0l> Hello
[07:42] <alterim> 'yuu NEED a .deb'
[07:42] <alterim> you DON'T need a .deb'
[07:42] <St0n3-C0l> Ideas*
[07:42] <St0n3-C0l> bcoz
[07:42] <alterim> oh yeah, opinions...
[07:42] <St0n3-C0l> apt-get install theme
[07:42] <St0n3-C0l> will be like much easier for ya
[07:42] <JDigital> use synaptic
[07:42] <St0n3-C0l> I just told u where to extract that .tar.gz
[07:42] <alterim> St0n3-C0l no net connection
[07:43] <St0n3-C0l> so do it and check!
[07:43] <St0n3-C0l> ohh...
[07:43] <^NightHawk^> i have a problem with openoffice+cups+gnome+hoary+amd64 ... do u know?
[07:43] <PD> Anybodu tied KUBUNTU here
[07:43] <^NightHawk^> something now?
[07:43] <PD> am on KUBUNTU now
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> PD,  yea a little.. then i reinstalled ubunt and just apt-got the kde stuff :P
[07:43] <St0n3-C0l> PD: I'll today or tommorrow
[07:43] <thundrcleeze> I haven't been able to get it to work, PD
[07:43] <alterim> okay. i will resort to being patiently calm. if anyone can kindly PM me explaining how i install 21237-clearlooks-metacity-0.5.tar.gz then i will be very greatful
[07:43] <PD> KUBUTU was fine for me till yesterday
[07:43] <St0n3-C0l> Dr_Willis: Why not apt-get Gnome stuff :P
[07:44] <PD> but now the songs wont owrk
[07:44] <PD> but the star up and all are fine
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> St0n3-C0l,  I dont see why they dont make a smart isntaller that just asks. :P
[07:44] <PD> only mp3 is causing a problem
[07:44] <Bizzy> hey
[07:44] <alterim> can i do anything with the file: 21237-clearlooks-metacity-0.5.tar.gz
[07:44] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[07:44] <PD> thundercleeze I have it on my HP nx7010 laptop now, its great I should say
[07:44] <alterim> or do i need to donwload something else before booting into linux?
[07:45] <^NightHawk^> anyone with an amd64 here?
[07:45] <Bizzy> i uncommented universe in /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:45] <alterim> help would be soooo cool
[07:45] <Bizzy> and when i run synaptic
[07:45] <HiddenWolf> nighthawk: check
[07:45] <St0n3-C0l> Who don't make a smart installer
[07:45] <alterim> noone knows how to installa tar.gz?
[07:45] <alterim> christ
[07:45] <Bizzy> it gives me an error about how it cant get it
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> alterim,  use the 'install' a new theme feature - and you may have to UNcompress that thing fiorst
[07:45] <Bazzi> alainm man tar
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> alterim,  the fact that its a .tar.gz means NOTHING.
[07:45] <alterim> how do i do that?
[07:45] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[07:45] <Bazzi> alterim*
[07:45] <St0n3-C0l> alterim
[07:45] <St0n3-C0l> I just told u
[07:45] <PD> KUNUNTU has kynaptic
[07:45] <JDigital> a .tar.gz just means it contains things
[07:45] <alterim> but somsone said i need a deb
[07:45] <alterim> surely i can work out if i have the right type of file first
[07:45] <thundrcleeze> You don't.
[07:45] <JDigital> A deb will make it a lot easier for you
[07:46] <alterim> before i start using the said file
[07:46] <Dr_Willis> you COULD get the .deb version of the theme and easially install it..
[07:46] <alterim> i see
[07:46] <St0n3-C0l> alterim: Go in terminal and type 'tar -zxvf 21237-clearlooks-metacity-0.5.tar.gz -C /home/username/.themes
[07:46] <JDigital> a .deb is an easy-install thinger
[07:46] <Dr_Willis> OR you  use the theme isntaller and just tell it that file name
[07:46] <St0n3-C0l> alterim: leave them!
[07:46] <alterim> do i have to be in the same directory as the file?
[07:46] <alterim> with cd
[07:46] <St0n3-C0l> if u'll install from .deb the same thing will happen but it'll do automatically u'll have to do it manually
[07:46] <Bazzi> alterim yes
[07:46] <St0n3-C0l> yeah
[07:46] <alterim> hey getting somewhere. this is too cool
[07:47] <alterim> ok. so if i put the tar.gz in a folder, then cd to that folder, then do that tar command
[07:47] <alterim> it will install my theme and it will be available in the theme manager?
[07:47] <^NightHawk^> excuse me HiddenWolf ... I recheck all configurations.. others applications can print well in gnome but openoffice show a generic printer that not print :P
[07:47] <Bazzi> do it already %)
[07:47] <thundrcleeze> Try using the theme installer.  It'll be easier than extracting the tar.
[07:47] <alterim> does the theme installer open a broswer where i select my tar.gz?
[07:48] <thundrcleeze> Yes, I think so.
[07:48] <alterim> or do i have to extract something first or what
[07:48] <HiddenWolf> nighthawk: sorry, can't help you there, OOO is a nasty piece of work
[07:48] <^NightHawk^> i have cupsys-bsd installed and nothing
[07:48] <alterim> ok
[07:48] <thundrcleeze> I'm pretty sure you don't have to extract it, I could be wrong though.
[07:48] <thundrcleeze> It's worth a try.
[07:48] <Dr_Willis> alterim,  tell the theme browser - where that compressed file is.. then if it dosent like it.. THEN you can uncompress it.
[07:48] <^NightHawk^> ahm ok
[07:48] <mikep_> PD: vncserver -kill :1
[07:48] <^NightHawk^> thank u very much HiddenWolf
[07:49] <PD> vncserver -kill :0 is not owrking
[07:49] <^NightHawk^> but i have one thing more to say
[07:49] <^NightHawk^> ;)
[07:49] <alterim> Did you mean: clearbooks 0.5 .deb
[07:49] <^NightHawk^> the vncserver in amd64 is broken :P
[07:49] <alterim> where do you think i could find a .deb version of this file?
[07:50] <PD> mikep_ I show you the output
[07:50] <alterim> just incase that other one doesn't work
[07:50] <thotypous> hi
[07:50] <PD> root@:/home/rufo # vncserver -kill :0
[07:50] <PD> Can't find file /root/.vnc/:0.pid
[07:50] <PD> You'll have to kill the Xvnc process manually
[07:50] <PotajiTo> wenas
[07:51] <PD> when I try ps aux | grep vnc theres no vnc
[07:51] <StR> PotajiTo: weeeenas
[07:52] <alterim> hey is this what i might need: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/clearlooks/
[07:52] <alterim> ???
[07:52] <rdw200169> why don't you just ps -A
[07:52] <alterim> there are .debs in there?!
[07:52] <PD> ok rdw200169
[07:53] <alterim> hello anyone?!
[07:53] <alterim> hey is this what i might need: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/clearlooks/
[07:53] <alterim> ???
[07:53] <alterim> there are .debs in there?!
[07:53] <alterim> erm
[07:53] <alterim> someone said there are users in #ubuntu ?
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> alterim,  looks like them to me
[07:53] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[07:54] <alterim> so a .deb is like an easy intaller
[07:54] <alterim> ?
[07:54] <thundrcleeze> Is there a program or way to tile windows in gnome?
[07:54] <alterim> just double click and go type thing
[07:54] <alterim> ?
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> apt-cache search clear    gives ---> gtk2-engines-clearlooks - ClearLooks theme
[07:55] <Dr_Willis> apt-get install gtk2-engines-clearlooks
[07:55] <JDigital> Couldn't he just do like an "apt-get install" something?
[07:55] <Dr_Willis> installs it.
[07:55] <Dr_Willis> :P
[07:55] <JDigital> :P
[07:55] <lamont> alterim: System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package Manager
[07:55] <Dr_Willis> JDigital,  no idea.. :P
[07:55] <alterim> Dr_Willis i'll say it again
[07:55] <alterim> i have no net connection
[07:55] <Burk> hello
[07:55] <JDigital> oh yeah
[07:55] <JDigital> Wait, how are you on the internet now, then
[07:55] <Dr_Willis> alterim,  then i suggest you worry about that - and not worry about silly themes.
[07:55] <alterim> i am using xp
[07:56] <JDigital> On the same machine?
[07:56] <alterim> yes, on the same machine
[07:56] <Burk> guys, I'll probably be the 100th person asking but..wasn't the release candidate scheduled for today?
[07:56] <thundrcleeze> Maybe he doesn't want a net connection?
[07:56] <JDigital> Then why is there no internet in linux
[07:56] <Ayame> hello
[07:56] <Burk> ok, found it ;)
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> JDigital,  'winmodem' is my guess. :P
[07:56] <alterim> you want to make a linux driver for this wireless card?!
[07:56] <alterim> mail it to alterim@hotmail.co.uk
[07:56] <Ayame> does anyone know how to get an epson c42sx printer to notify when it's run out of paper?
[07:56] <alterim> and like thundrcleeze said
[07:56] <Ayame> right now, cups is killing my jobs when it runs out of paper
[07:56] <alterim> maybe i don't sodding well want one
[07:57] <JDigital> Sure you do
[07:57] <alterim> help would be cooler
[07:57] <JDigital> maybe linux supports it somehow
[07:57] <alterim> so, the next time someone wants to go 'hey ;) just go apt-get clearlooks dude ;)'
[07:57] <alterim> think twice
[07:57] <alterim> because there
[07:57] <alterim> is
[07:57] <alterim> no
[07:57] <alterim> net
[07:57] <alterim> christ
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> alterim,  next time someone comes in here ranting about a theme... we will most likely ignore them
[07:57] <alterim> ok. i'll try what's been suggested so far
[07:58] <alterim> elite sods
[07:58] <alterim> no help at all
[07:58] <JDigital> yup, that sounds like us :D
[07:58] <thundrcleeze> No, that's #debian
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> how to isntall themes are well docuemetd in the gnome docs I belive.
[07:58] <JDigital> hehe
[07:58] <alterim> get some fucking sex
[07:58] <Ayame> how good is support for epson printers right now? seems my driver might be incomplete, as it doesn't detect when it's run out of paper
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> No help? gee you got the info you needed.
[07:58] <DXT> Hi, can anyone pm me with the lines to put inside menu.lst for WindowsXP, thanks.
[07:58] <thundrcleeze> At least here you don't get RTFM all the time.
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> :P
[07:58] <JDigital> Sex? Is there an FAQ for that?
[07:58] <Burk> the hoary-rc-live-i386.iso torrent seems to have some problems..seed missing I'd say
[07:58] <_spiral> hello
[07:58] <Ayame> lpstat is just saying "printer is idle"
[07:58] <MFen> kubuntu? is that ubuntu/kde?
[07:58] <_spiral> anyone using sk98lin here ?
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> thundrcleeze,  we will from now on. :P
[07:59] <_spiral> MFen: yes
[07:59] <mikep_> PD: Try running the "top" command to find the pid. Then kill it.
[07:59] <_spiral> MFen: /j #kubuntu
[07:59] <DXT> I forgot to back it up, and after updating my kernel the lines for winxp are gone :"(
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> alterim@hotmail.co.uk
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> Hmm....
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> :P
[07:59] <MFen> nah. i've gotten used to gnome now
[07:59] <sjoerd> _spiral: yeah, but not on an ubuntu kerenel.. (sk98lin)
[07:59] <MFen> is there anything i need to be wary of upgrading a warty to a hoary by changing the entries in sources.list?
[08:00] <_spiral> sjoerd: hmmm... in fact on ubuntu I get a problem with it...
[08:00] <MFen> or better yet, is there an upgrade guide of any sort?
[08:00] <_spiral> sjoerd: but I don't know if it's ubuntu or my laptop
[08:00] <dasenjo> How can I "install" a ttf font to make xpdf use it ?
[08:01] <thundrcleeze> Is there a program or way to tile windows in gnome?
[08:02] <DXT> i think that the window selector or window list applet can do that, thundrcleeze
[08:02] <Dr_Willis> thundrcleeze,  not that i have seen..  sadly when gnome switched from Sawfish to Metacity - a lot of neat stuff was lost.
[08:03] <DXT> Anyone here with ubuntu and winxp?
[08:03] <maddler> ?
[08:03] <JDigital> I have ubuntu and win2k. I broke win2k, hehe.
[08:03] <maddler> DXT... sorry?
[08:03] <HiddenWolf> Dr_Willis: I was wondering that very same thing - Do you know if there is anything in the works?
[08:03] <maddler> oh... using grub?
[08:03] <DXT> i need the lines in menu.lst for having winxp :)
[08:03] <DXT> yep for grub
[08:04] <JDigital> I saw that somewhere but I forget where
[08:04] <JDigital> might have been on the wiki
[08:04] <Josephus> I'm trying to use the parport0, modules are loaded, but there's no device in /dev. Even if i mknod it, the programs can't open it
[08:04] <Josephus> Could anyone help me please?
[08:04] <D-menT> hi
[08:04] <D-menT> someone speak spanish??
[08:04] <^NightHawk^> yo
[08:04] <D-menT> holas
[08:05] <Flonne> Your modules include parport_pc, right, Josephus?
[08:05] <^NightHawk^> wenas
[08:05] <Josephus> Flonne: yes
[08:05] <maddler> DXT... can't help you... but there should be something on GRUB's home page/docs
[08:05] <Flonne> DXT, what do you need?
[08:05] <rdw200169> DXT: i gotcah
[08:05] <maddler> D-menT... I understand some...
[08:05] <DXT> Just the few lines that are responsible to having Winxp in grub menu
[08:05] <Josephus> parport_pc, parport, lp
[08:06] <Flonne> Josephus, what about /dev/parports/?
[08:06] <thundrcleeze> Thanks, Dr_Willis, do you know how?  The window selector app's help doesn't work.
[08:06] <Flonne> One moment, DXT.
[08:06] <rdw200169> DXT: (line 1) title      Microsoft windows xp
[08:06] <DXT> thanks :o)
[08:06] <rdw200169> DXT:   (line 2)      root         (hd0,0)
[08:06] <Josephus> Flonne: there's no such thing :)
[08:06] <rdw200169> DXT:     (line 3)       savedefault
[08:06] <Flonne> Or rdw200169 could beat me to it. :(
[08:07] <rdw200169> DXT:    (line   4)      makeactive
[08:07] <Gecko> Hello. I have some issues with my asus laptop running hoary amd64 edition. First issue is the display driver, which is an ati mobile 9700. I have set it up to use fglrx as the driver, but I cannot seem to get it's acceleration working. This is not the main concern, the main concern is the many artifacts (coloured lines appearing on the screen). Can anyone help me out?
[08:07] <rdw200169> DXT:   (line 5)         chainloader +1
[08:07] <rdw200169> that's it...
[08:07] <DXT> thanks
[08:07] <DXT> Flonne: Don't feel sad :'(
[08:07] <ray99> hi, how much partition space is wise to give to Ubuntu Linux?
[08:08] <[nrx] > 20gb.
[08:08] <[nrx] > hah joking :)
[08:08] <ray99> heh
[08:08] <Flonne> I'm actually not sure what to suggest, Josephus. =\
[08:08] <[nrx] > it takes about 1.2 :)
[08:08] <thundrcleeze> It depends on what you're going to use it for.
[08:08] <CarlK_afk> [nrx_]  - i think it takes more than that
[08:08] <ray99> [nrx]  ok what filesystem do you prefer?
[08:08] <DemisM> Gecko, did you change all instances of the word ati to fglrx in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[08:08] <thundrcleeze> Anything journaled.
[08:08] <[nrx] > no preference but at the moment it's running on ext3
[08:08] <rdw200169> ray99: i always have a seperate partition for /home... and make it much larger for .iso downloads etc...
[08:08] <Gecko> DemisM, Jep
[08:09] <rdw200169> ray99: then when i upgrade/reinstall etc... my /home directory stuff isn't affected
[08:09] <DemisM> Gecko: type flrxinfo and tell me what you get.
[08:09] <DemisM> fglrxinfo that is
[08:09] <ray99> rdw200169 ah that's clever :)
[08:09] <Flonne> Separate /home/ and /boot/ partitions are highly recommended.
[08:09] <Gecko> DemisM, OpenGl vendor: Mesa bla bla bla
[08:10] <CarlK_afk> on a box that isnpt done du shows 1.4G, but some of that maybe released when the install is done, so maybe 1.3 is the right number
[08:10] <DemisM> Gecko: so I don't think you set it up right
[08:10] <rdw200169> ray99: set up a swap of 500mb - 1GB
[08:10] <Gecko> DemisM, Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0" also
[08:10] <Flonne> CarlK_afk, don't forget the space required for .deb downloads.
[08:10] <DemisM> Gecko, what release hoary or wharty?
[08:10] <rdw200169> ray99: the OS is dependent of how much software you want to install...
[08:10] <Gecko> DemisM, hoary
[08:10] <ray99> also, can Ubuntu configure my bootloader automatically ex. Windows XP and Gentoo 2005.0 ?
[08:10] <rdw200169> ray99: either way 4 or 5 GB should be MORE than enough
[08:11] <Flonne> It should be able to do that, ray99.
[08:11] <Flonne> If not, hacking menu.lst isn't hard.
[08:11] <[nrx] > Flonne, unless you're me and end up with lilo ;p
[08:11] <DemisM> Gecko: in /etc/module does it have fglrx as one of the entries?
[08:11] <Flonne> I use LILO, too. Old habits die hard. ;)
[08:12] <Gecko> DemisM, gecko@lappy:~$ sudo lsmod | grep fglrx \\ fglrx                 268128  0
[08:12] <ray99> ok thanks
[08:12] <[nrx] > my warty install currently takes up 2.3gb
[08:12] <rdw200169> Flonne: a single /boot/ partition... brilliant!
[08:13] <rdw200169> Flonne: i should do that... saves a lot of hastle for reinstalls...
[08:13] <[nrx] > I'm running one partition.. and one only.
[08:13] <Flonne> And for having multiple distros, rdw200169, not that you'll want to do that. =P
[08:13] <Gecko> DemisM, there is one error though on startup of x...
[08:13] <nydust> how do i get cups to install my windows shared printer?
[08:14] <rdw200169> Flonne: oh, yes, i would! (and do)
[08:14] <Flonne> I've got Gentoo 32, Gentoo 64, and Ubuntu 32 sharing /boot/ and /home/ on this laptop. :)
[08:14] <Gecko> DemisM, Mar 30 12:04:53 localhost kernel: [fglrx:firegl_unlock]  *ERROR* Process 7470 using kernel context 0
[08:14] <[nrx] > iwas sharing Gentoo 32 and Ubuntu 32... then removed it all and went straight for Ubuntu
[08:14] <rdw200169> Flonne: i feel so stupid...
[08:15] <dmoyne> I have something strange when opening a file with GIMP that has a name like "toto[titi] .jpeg" ; it does not like "[" ans "] " in name !
[08:15] <bitar> hey all...
[08:16] <Dr_Willis> dmoyne,  yea.. stuff like that can be bad. :P
[08:16] <Flonne> dmoyne, try escaping them with a '\'.
[08:16] <[nrx] > guess who's trying to open pr0n
[08:16] <Dr_Willis> :)
[08:16] <bitar> how do i install foo.deb in Ubuntu?
[08:16] <Flonne> '\[', for example.
[08:16] <rdw200169> can i have /boot/ on a logical partition?
[08:16] <Flonne> dpgk -i <.deb>
[08:16] <bitar> with the < > ?
[08:16] <Dr_Willis> rdw200169,  i think you can..
[08:16] <Flonne> I've never tried, rdw200169, though I don't see why not.
[08:16] <[nrx] > bitarwithout
[08:16] <rdw200169> thanks
[08:17] <dmoyne> nope because I have hundreds of files like this and Gimp before had like all other garphical apps no problems it is a bug
[08:17] <Gecko> rdw200169, that would pretty much ruin the point of having a /boot partition...
[08:17] <Flonne> You could always give it a try -- bootloaders are easy enough to configure.
[08:17] <bitar> [nrx] : dpgk foo.deb
[08:17] <Flonne> No, Gecko, it wouldn't...
[08:17] <[nrx] > bitar, dpkg -i file.deb
[08:17] <bitar> [nrx] : dpgk - i foo.deb
[08:17] <[nrx] > yes.
[08:17] <Flonne> /boot/ stores kernels and related things. It isn't actually bootable.
[08:17] <bitar> [nrx]  thx dude :)
[08:17] <[nrx] > np
[08:17] <Gecko> Flonne, yes it is :)
[08:18] <bitar> Flonne: thhx
[08:18] <dmoyne> where to report the bug in GIMP ?
[08:18] <Flonne> Not on any of my boxes, Gecko.
[08:18] <DXT> I want to add one specific user to sudoers so that he and only he won't need a password for using sudo, how can I do that?
[08:18] <Gecko> Flonne, Well, if you have /boot as the first partition, you can install lilo or grub on it, and hence make it bootable
[08:19] <Seveas>  /boot doesn't have to be the first partition
[08:19] <Flonne> You can install LILO or GRUB on / if you want to, but that doesn't mean you have to do it.
[08:19] <synd> someone help me with getting Guifications working with gaim?
[08:19] <synd> can*
[08:20] <DemisM> DXT, add the user to the end of the /etc/group line with sudo in it...
[08:20] <Gecko> Flonne, It's a stupid discussion, let's not waste anymore time on it ;)
[08:20] <DXT> let me see..
[08:20] <Flonne> Back to helping users, then, Gecko?
[08:20] <Gecko> Flonne, or getting helped.
[08:20] <Flonne> Did you have a question?
[08:21] <Gecko> Flonne, that is, if anyone actually know how to get those stupid artifacts away from my screen.
[08:21] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me what does "make" do?
[08:21] <DXT> DemisM: Can you tell me exacly how the line should look?
[08:21] <PD> mikep_ thanx man things are working now
[08:21] <Seveas> BockBilbo, it runs the "make" program
[08:21] <Flonne> Do those artefacts exist when using the 'ati' or 'radeon' drivers?
[08:21] <BockBilbo> Seveas, really??? j/k
[08:21] <Seveas> which is usually used to read a Makefile
[08:21] <BockBilbo> ;)
[08:21] <DemisM> sudo:x:27:NewUserHere
[08:21] <PD> and I take back what i said back about KUBUNTU sometime back
[08:21] <PD> everythings excellent
[08:22] <Seveas> a Makefile usually contains instructions for make on hoe to compile things
[08:22] <PD> the sound and everythong
[08:22] <BockBilbo> Seveas, Ive read that its to make a "C System" or smthing like that
[08:22] <pengwen> sorry for making newbie questions, can anyone convince me to run ubuntu on a fileserver instead of debian?
[08:22] <DXT> DemisM: OK, got it, thank you.
[08:22] <Wim> BockBilbo, 'make' runs the compile scripts for C or C++ programs...
[08:22] <Xenguy> BockBilbo: apt-cache show make
[08:22] <Seveas> pengwen, 18 months security updates per release
[08:22] <Seveas> stable releases every 6 months
[08:23] <Seveas> stability is what you need for a server
[08:23] <Seveas> and security updates
[08:23] <DarthFrog> And ease of maintenance
[08:23] <DemisM> DXT: you have to add the user to /etc/sudoers
[08:23] <BockBilbo> Wim, Xenguy, Seveas ive used make before... but see... im making a Java project, and Im reading about Apache Ant, which its defined as "similar to make, but intended for Java"
[08:23] <Seveas> BockBilbo, that is the most frequent usage: to compile and build applications written in the C programming language
[08:23] <BockBilbo> and just wanted to know what are de advantajes of it
[08:24] <Seveas> make can be used for java and is MUCH simpler
[08:24] <DXT> I thought so, but what do I add there? I tried myself but with no luck :x
[08:24] <Seveas> ant can autogenerate a lot of stuff for webservices
[08:24] <Seveas> but I hate ant :)
[08:24] <DemisM> DXT you should have members of group blah have all priviledges
[08:24] <DemisM> so go to  /etc/group and add the user to the admin or root group
[08:24] <BockBilbo> mmm i see... Seveas so ant is designed more for web apps, right?
[08:24] <Seveas> and ant is not yet available from the ubuntu repositories (will be soon i suppose)
[08:24] <BockBilbo> for jsp's i guess ?
[08:24] <Seveas> no
[08:24] <DXT> I'll try that then
[08:25] <Seveas> web services are no java server pages
[08:25] <Seveas> web services is something different
[08:25] <BockBilbo> mmm
[08:25] <BockBilbo> you mean apache services?
[08:25] <DemisM> DXT yeah just add the user to the admin group and it should work :)
[08:25] <pengwen> DarthFrog: how is ubuntu easier then debain to maintain?
[08:25] <Seveas> BockBilbo, no it's different (and quite hard to explain in 3 lines)
[08:25] <DarthFrog> pengwen: It probably isn't.  I was adding on to the previous comment about what you want in a server OS.
[08:26] <Seveas> you should google for web services, tomcat, jakarta and soap if you want to know more
[08:26] <BockBilbo> oh
[08:26] <BockBilbo> :)
[08:26] <BockBilbo> ok
[08:26] <DarthFrog> pengwen: But with more frequent, up to date stable releases, that's going to be an inherent advantage of Ubuntu.
[08:26] <BockBilbo> I know what they are so
[08:26] <BockBilbo> :)
[08:26] <BockBilbo> ok
[08:26] <Wim> ant is just used to automate the compiling of java programs, no matter what...be it servlets or swt applications..whatever
[08:26] <Seveas> if you want simple java programs: use make for compiling
[08:26] <DXT> DemisM: you mean the "adm" group? it's already there..
[08:27] <BockBilbo> Seveas, you mean javac, right ?
[08:27] <Seveas> wim, true, but the specialties of ant lie with WS afaik
[08:27] <pengwen> thanks for some more clues on finding the perfect linux-distro ;)
[08:27] <Seveas> you can call javac from make :)
[08:27] <DemisM> DXT no the admin group
[08:27] <BockBilbo> Seveas, ohh
[08:27] <BockBilbo> so...
[08:27] <DemisM> DXT it is near the end
[08:27] <Seveas> just like you call gcc from make for compiling c stuff
[08:27] <Wim> well ant can run easily on a server...for client side applications i just use eclipse to automate the build proces :)
[08:27] <Gecko> Btw, I cannot seem to find the linux-wlan-ng package in Ubuntu, only the relevant -doc package. Why is that?
[08:27] <BockBilbo> if my program is planned to be a system application, should i use ant for making it?
[08:27] <Seveas> and calling pdflatex for building pdf's
[08:28] <Seveas> BockBilbo, make is easier to learn :)
[08:28] <BockBilbo> mmm well im used to javac ...
[08:28] <Jamminpotato> is it possible to get sound working on ubuntu live?
[08:28] <Zevin> morning all
[08:28] <Seveas> BockBilbo, you will still need that
[08:28] <BockBilbo> but... the thing is that im making a bluetooth server in java
[08:28] <netsack> does anybody know why xscreensaver would keep dying on hoary?
[08:28] <BockBilbo> for sending messages to a j2me client that will be ran in a mobile phone
[08:29] <blury> ubuntu lacks a comic book reader (cbr/cbz)
[08:29] <DXT> DemisM: My user is there too.. Can't I just add a line in sudoers to make my user access sudo w/o pass? like NOPASSWD: ALL but just for my user?
[08:29] <blury> it was such a pain to find one,only cbview worked
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> blury,  egads!
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> The Humanity!
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> :P
[08:30] <DemisM> DXT: man sudo
[08:30] <Zevin> i got a quick question
[08:30] <Seveas> blury, do there exist packages for cbr/cbz?
[08:30] <BockBilbo> Seveas, should i try ant in my case for building the server part?
[08:30] <Zevin> by default, the hoary disc i got had 2.6.10-4-386 kernel
[08:30] <Seveas> BockBilbo, if it is small, just stick to calling javac manually :)
[08:30] <Zevin> should i use the k7 version?
[08:30] <blury> If i knew how to make packages,I would probably make one for cbview or qcomic
[08:30] <BockBilbo> Seveas, its a complex program
[08:31] <BockBilbo> with menus, taskbar, etc
[08:31] <blury> there are cbr and cbz are comic book archives
[08:31] <Seveas> BockBilbo, then learn ant :)
[08:31] <BockBilbo> mm ok
[08:31] <BockBilbo> thank you so much
[08:31] <BockBilbo> :)
[08:31] <BockBilbo> gonna take a look at it so
[08:31] <BockBilbo> ;)
[08:31] <blury> some of the libraries on ubuntu are old
[08:31] <BockBilbo> bye!
[08:31] <blury> like the Qt
[08:31] <blury> bie
[08:32] <BockBilbo> cya later
[08:32] <Zevin> can anyone help me with kernels?
[08:32] <Lenny1729> hi all, does sb. know a linux prog that can find a pattern in a picture? sth. like visgrep in the xautomation package, but more powerful
[08:32] <bestadvocate> hey guys. I am trying to play a .mov file and neither totem-xine or mplayer can handle the audio codec, mplayer tells me it cant find "0x324D4451" any suggestions?
[08:33] <Alexmipego> bestadvocate, have u the needed codecs?
[08:34] <andril> hello all
[08:34] <Wim> bestadvocate, it's probably sorenson codec, no linux decoder
[08:34] <DemisM> DXT: man sudoers also
[08:34] <Zevin> i tried booting 2.6.11 k7 instead of the default 2.6.10-4-386, and when i did, lots of stuff failed to boot, most noteably ndiswraper.ko
[08:34] <Wim> it's patented
[08:34] <andril>  can someone help my find "system properties"?
[08:34] <PD> Hi ppl
[08:34] <bestadvocate> Alexmipego: i thinks so
[08:34] <PD> when i try smbmount i get this message
[08:34] <bestadvocate> Wim: what?
[08:34] <andril> like how much memory I am running with
[08:34] <DXT> DemisM: I've tried both manuals but still didn't get how to make what I want work.. That's why I am here :)
[08:35] <PD> rufo@:~ $ smbmount //192.168.1.50/punefiles punefiles/ -o username=officeuser
[08:35] <PD> Password:
[08:35] <PD> smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000)
[08:35] <PD> smbmnt failed: 1
[08:35] <DXT> http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/temp/seth/blog/xshots.html pwnage
[08:35] <PD> but when i do a chmod +s on the bin it gives me this error
[08:35] <dazed_> can anyone tell me why one of my ubuntu comuters shows up in "network:///" as an smb folder not nsf and the other ubuntu computer will not show up at all??
[08:35] <zenrox> andril, goto applications -> system tools then system montor
[08:35] <PD> ufo@:~ $ smbmount //192.168.1.50/punefiles punefiles/ -o username=officeuser
[08:35] <PD> libsmb based programs must *NOT* be setuid root.
[08:35] <PD> 7100: Connection to 192.168.1.50 failed
[08:35] <zenrox> andril,  and the 2nd tab
[08:36] <PD> does anybody know how to go ahead of this problem
[08:36] <andril> Resources - right
[08:36] <Se7h> who's calling me
[08:36] <zenrox> PD, try mounting it useing the mount cmd and not smbmount
[08:36] <Se7h> oh, no one
[08:37] <andril> strange it shows 885.4mb
[08:37] <dazed_> can anyone tell me why one of my ubuntu comuters shows up in "network:///" as an smb folder not nsf and the other ubuntu computer will not show up at all??
[08:37] <zerovertex> how can I list the files that are installed with I install a package with apt-get?
[08:37] <PD> ok will try zenrox
[08:37] <andril> I was supposed to have 1gb
[08:37] <zenrox> andril,  linux uses about 16 megs for kernel
[08:37] <blury> zerovertex  SYMANTEC
[08:37] <zerovertex> after it is install, that is.
[08:37] <zerovertex> blury, you mean synaptic??
[08:38] <DXT> Wtf.... There's a hovering pixel on my desktop.. its a small white box..
[08:38] <blury> yeah
[08:38] <andril> zenrox, thanks alot
[08:38] <blury> lol
[08:38] <zerovertex> lol
[08:38] <DemisM> DXT in your type sudo visudo
[08:38] <zenrox> andril,  n/p
[08:38] <DXT> yeah i always use visudo
[08:38] <andril> gonna be back for sure - thanks again!
[08:38] <DXT> whats that white box?! omg im scared
[08:38] <DemisM> then root    ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
[08:38] <DXT> thats too easy
[08:38] <DXT> i want only for my user
[08:39] <DXT> :'(
[08:39] <DemisM> or to the admin
[08:39] <Jamminpotato> what time is it?
[08:39] <DXT> or for the admins
[08:39] <dazed_> ANYONE!?
[08:39] <DemisM> so then add your user to the admin group
[08:39] <DXT> it is
[08:39] <bestadvocate> did anyone download the trailers for hitchhikers guide the the galexy that were posted on slashdot?
[08:39] <DXT> there :(
[08:39] <Unipal> has anyone installed Hoary on a MSI K8N Neo4 PC?
[08:39] <DemisM> %admin  ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
[08:39] <DXT> thanks!
[08:39] <DemisM> that is only to users in the admin group
[08:39] <dazed_> can anyone tell me why one of my ubuntu comuters shows up in "network:///" as an smb folder not nsf and the other ubuntu computer will not show up at all??
[08:40] <DemisM> so whenever you want a person to have sudo abilities just add it to the admin group /etc/admin
[08:40] <Zevin> nope, but i've got it on an nForce4 mobo, least we know that works.
[08:40] <PD> zenrox this is what I get
[08:40] <DXT> DemisM: when I put that line it says error in that line..
[08:40] <PD> rufo@:~ $ mount -t smbfs //192.168.1.50/punefiles punefiles/ -o username=officeuser
[08:40] <PD> mount: only root can do that
[08:40] <dazed_> PD: type sudo in front
[08:40] <Unipal> it is a nforce4
[08:40] <DemisM> DXT don't add the line
[08:41] <DXT> I changed the original
[08:41] <PD> zenrox can I do it in such a way that normal users can excute mount
[08:41] <DXT> so..?
[08:41] <DemisM> %admin  ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
[08:41] <PD> chmos +s
[08:41] <PD> chmod +s
[08:41] <thundrcleeze> yes, type sudo
[08:41] <DXT> that's exacly what I did..
[08:41] <dazed_> to mount u have to have root privelages
[08:41] <dazed_> so you must type sudo
[08:41] <DemisM> and you're getting an error?
[08:41] <PD> dazed_ will chmod +s work
[08:41] <Unipal> has anyone installed Hoary on a MSI K8N Neo4 PC?
[08:42] <DemisM> exit without saving
[08:42] <dazed_> PD: i doubt it ... why not just mount it with sudo? if you mount in fstab u dont need to type sudo but then it mounts only when it loads fstab
[08:42] <DXT> yep error.. ok
[08:42] <DemisM> type sudo visudo
[08:42] <DXT> there
[08:42] <PD> hmm dazed_ thats nice
[08:42] <DemisM> # Members of the admin group may gain root privileges
[08:42] <DemisM> %admin  ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
[08:43] <PD> but the one am trying is a laptop
[08:43] <DemisM> everything else should be left the same
[08:43] <dazed_> PD: what are u trying to do share files between two computers?
[08:43] <PD> so my bos can boot and then think I should connect to the network
[08:43] <synd> whats the command that sets sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade to automatically run every X amt of time?
[08:43] <PD> dazed_ I need to share files from a linux server to a windows desktop and a linux laptop
[08:43] <PD> so I thought to go ahead with SAMBA
[08:44] <synd> PD: samba?
[08:44] <synd> PD: nevermind
[08:44] <DemisM> DXT got it?
[08:44] <dazed_> ok well...ill tell you one thing your going to need some windows apps to access the linux server from windows box
[08:44] <dazed_> PD: ^
[08:44] <DXT> DemisM: Ok it works, I got what I did wrong in sudoers, thanks a lot!
[08:44] <DemisM> np
[08:44] <synd> whats the command that sets sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade to automatically run every X amt of time?
[08:45] <PD> dazed_ in windows there is an option to mout at start up so I will be using that
[08:45] <dazed_> PD: for the linux box goto "network:///" in nautilus and see if the linux server comes up
[08:45] <PD> ok I will try that
[08:45] <PD> dazed
[08:45] <DemisM> DXT: I wouldn't recommend it though, allowing it to prompt you for the passwd the first time ensures you know what you're doing
[08:45] <PD> dazed_ will it work in konqueror
[08:45] <PD> its a KDE on ubuntu
[08:46] <dazed_> PD: i am just saying from experience the only way to connect to a linux server or linuxbox through putty or win2serv or something like that
[08:46] <dazed_> i dont think "network:///" comes up in konqueror
[08:46] <dazed_> is*(
[08:47] <dazed_> i am actually having more problems sharing between 2 ubuntu computers then i am with windows and linux
[08:47] <blury> thats weird
[08:47] <blury> kinda
[08:48] <PD> dazed_ ok
[08:48] <dazed_> my dual booted laptop....doesnt share its linux files via smb or via nsf....my PC 100% linux shares its files via smb only no nsf but it can pick up windows networks fine on both computers when on linux
[08:49] <dazed_> PD: btw that program that makes Windows sharing with linux ULTRA EASY is 'WinSCP3'
[08:50] <dazed_> just open it up connect to the server and your there browsing through folders
[08:50] <Amaranth> yeah, it's almost as nice as gnome-vfs :)
[08:50] <holycow> hi guys
[08:51] <holycow> hey i screwed my sarge install accidentally and i'm thinking of giving ubuntu desktop a try ... i got a coupla questions
[08:51] <Zevin> is there i way to close X and go to terminal without rebooting?
[08:51] <holycow> where in terms of development is ubuntu right now?  is it actually considered stable?
[08:51] <blury> in gnome there is
[08:51] <thundrcleeze> Yes, holycow.
[08:51] <tritium> holycow, there's a release candidate for Hoary released just today
[08:51] <JDigital> warty is stable
[08:51] <blury> ctrl+alt+back
[08:52] <thundrcleeze> blury, I think he's asking how to terminate gnome, not to restart it.
[08:52] <topyli> tritium: it was released a long time ago
[08:52] <holycow> how is the release cycle of ubuntu described then ... there is an rc, and then a final?
[08:52] <topyli> the candidate
[08:52] <tritium> topyli, no, today
[08:52] <DemisM> once stable is out how do you stick to it, until the next release?
[08:52] <holycow> so hoary is rc right now, what is current stable then?
[08:52] <DemisM> wharty
[08:52] <DemisM> warty
[08:53] <topyli> tritium: there's a further generation of the "preview"?
[08:53] <thundrcleeze> There's a release every six months.
[08:53] <smurfslay> hi there
[08:53] <holycow> 6 months? oh cool
[08:53] <tritium> topyli, http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/
[08:53] <holycow> next stable should be when approximately?
[08:53] <thundrcleeze> holycow, warty was released last october.
[08:53] <tritium> topyli, it's in the topic
[08:53] <holycow> oh so in a few months then? cool
[08:54] <thundrcleeze> Actually, very soon.
[08:54] <tritium> topyli, it's not the preview.  it's a release candidate
[08:54] <holycow> from the sounds of that i may as well just install hoary and wait to dist upgrade when it is released as stable?
[08:54] <thundrcleeze> April will be the next release.
[08:54] <smurfslay> has anyone running a TV Card with Phillips MK3 Tuner and Connexant MPEG Encoder chip under Ubuntu?
[08:54] <Seveas> holycow, just install hoary rc and keep upgrading
[08:54] <tritium> holycow, i would do that.  see the release candidate URL in the topic
[08:54] <topyli> tritium: very cool
[08:54] <Seveas> the next release is in ONE WEEK :)
[08:54] <holycow> okay cool
[08:54] <holycow> thanks guys
[08:55] <Flonne> +2 days, Seveas.
[08:55] <thundrcleeze> Have fun with it, holycow
[08:55] <DemisM> what's so bad about always upgrading?
[08:55] <Seveas> :)
[08:55] <topyli> tritium: looks like somebody's deadline is holding :)
[08:55] <Seveas> nothing DemisM :)
[08:55] <DemisM> why doesn't everyone do it then?
[08:55] <tritium> DemisM, I do it
[08:55] <Seveas> well, it's a maintenance burden
[08:55] <holycow> thundrcleeze, hehe :) i tried the gnome2.10 live cd and really liked the way the ui was organized and other customizations
[08:56] <Seveas> holycow, the gnome2.10 livecd is based on ubuntu hoary :)
[08:56] <thundrcleeze> My warty cds finally came today.
[08:56] <holycow> i guess it's time to give it a run on this workstation
[08:56] <DemisM> Seveas,  as far as what?
[08:56] <holycow> Seveas, oh cool :) thats great!
[08:57] <Amaranth> thundrcleeze: Ouch, a little late. :P
[08:57] <Seveas> thundrcleeze, when did you order them??
[08:57] <blury> and the next  release-is it stable
[08:57] <holycow> so based on the hoary page, ubuntu focuses on x86 and powerpc architectures then?
[08:58] <Seveas> x86/ppc/AMD64
[08:58] <blury> i have a amd athlon 2000+
[08:58] <Seveas> sparc port is being worked on (slowly)
[08:58] <blury> this has always been bugging me
[08:58] <thundrcleeze> December?  January?
[08:58] <blury> what architecture is amd athlon 2000+
[08:58] <holycow> thats cool, most users are on the other architectures
[08:58] <Seveas> blury, x86
[08:58] <Amaranth> blury: k7
[08:58] <Seveas> use the -k7 kernels
[08:59] <blury> thanks
[08:59] <Seveas> install linux-k7, includes the restricted modules :)
[08:59] <blury> with apt-get?
[08:59] <Seveas> yes
[08:59] <holycow> oh one other thing, i know ubuntu tries to stay as close to debian as possible only forking stuff temporarily until the changes make it back to debian ....
[08:59] <Seveas> apt-get install linux-k7
[08:59] <Seveas> wait a while
[08:59] <blury> is there a possibility this to mess up something?
[08:59] <Seveas> reboot (to start the new kernel)
[09:00] <Seveas> check whether it work
[09:00] <Seveas> works*
[09:00] <blury> will i keep the old one
[09:00] <Seveas> if it doesnt work: reboot into your old kernel
[09:00] <Seveas> yes
[09:00] <holycow> how does one install debian proper stuff on ubuntu as it is based on unstable right?  there must be breakage out there?
[09:00] <blury> thanks guys
[09:00] <Seveas> unless you *explicitely* remove it :)
[09:00] <resiak> holycow: You install stuff from Universe.
[09:00] <blury> will try it now
[09:00] <thundrcleeze> there's always a possiblilty, but if it screws up, you can use grub to select the next kernel on the list
[09:00] <blury> :)
[09:00] <topyli> blury: keep it untl you're sure the new one works :)
[09:00] <resiak> holycow: (which is all the software that Ubuntu packages but doesn't officially support.)
[09:00] <blury> and if its messed,i can uninstall it the same way
[09:01] <Seveas> holycow, all of unstable that builds on the buildd is in universe
[09:01] <thundrcleeze> I don't see why not, blury.
[09:01] <Seveas> blury, yes
[09:01] <blury> thanks
[09:01] <blury> i am gonna get it
[09:01] <blury> right now
[09:01] <holycow> how much breakage is there with stuff in universe?
[09:01] <holycow> i'm just curious about the general experience of users?
[09:01] <zenrox> holycow,  99% if it works just fine
[09:01] <thundrcleeze> Little to no problems here, holycow.
[09:02] <apokryphos> holycow: Quite rare, but there's a few package dependency problems flying about.
[09:02] <holycow> okay
[09:02] <holycow> how is security maintained in ubuntu? is there a security team here?
[09:02] <blury> this will make my pc work faster,right?
[09:02] <topyli> heh
[09:03] <Lefungus> hello
[09:03] <thundrcleeze> It should be more efficent, blury.
[09:03] <thundrcleeze> I believe there is, holycow.
[09:03] <topyli> holycow: it's maintained very professionally. ubuntu is a business after all :)
[09:04] <Jamminpotato> i am  n00b to linux, and im currently runnign ubuntu, hwo do i install a file in the *.bin format?
[09:04] <Levander> Is php5 in backports for warty?
[09:04] <Flonne> What are you trying to install, Jamminpotato?
[09:04] <blury> how is it called,my man?
[09:04] <xan> hi
[09:04] <rcaskey_> Jammin: chmod +X filename then run it
[09:04] <Jamminpotato> im trying to install the steam dedicated server for linux
[09:05] <topyli> Jamminpotato: which file? what are you installing? perhaps ubuntu can do it for you
[09:05] <Jamminpotato> and why is xchat making some lines of text red
[09:06] <Jamminpotato> are those pm's?
[09:06] <blury> LOL
[09:06] <blury> yeah
[09:06] <topyli> Jamminpotato: i have absolutely no idea what that is. but rcaskey_ is right
[09:06] <Seveas> like this, Jamminpotato ?
[09:06] <Jamminpotato> yes like that seveas
[09:06] <topyli> hehehe
[09:06] <Seveas> ok :)
[09:06] <blury> :P
[09:06] <Jamminpotato> is it just lines with my name in ti?
[09:06] <Seveas> maybe xchat is ill :)
[09:06] <holycow> you guys have a decent list of consultancies offering support already
[09:06] <holycow> thats cool
[09:06] <xan> is X more or less busted (depending on the resolution you pick) on powerbook since the -6 xorg 6.8.2 update?
[09:07] <Zevin> ok, the nvidia 6629 drivers don't work. so i downloaded the 6111 dirvers. they said they needed a kernal source to compile, so i used synaptic and downloaded a bunch of kernels stuff, and now it says the wrong kernel source is present. help???
[09:07] <holycow> oh speaking of xorg, ubuntu will be following debians xorg implementation, correct?
[09:07] <topyli> holycow: there's a steady business, and a nice community. what more can you ask? :)
[09:07] <Lefungus> holycow, xorg's already here in hoary
[09:08] <Seveas> woohoo, xchat crashed :s
[09:08] <tritium> Zevin, what do you mean they don't work?  They work quite well for many people.
[09:08] <Flonne> Zevin, you need to be running the kernel you want to build the nVidia kernel driver against, and it needs to be symlinked to /usr/src/linux; chances are 2.6.10-4-386 is still linked there.
[09:08] <Flonne> tritium, Zevin has a card the new drivers boke support for.
[09:08] <holycow> topyli, i like being able to purchase support, thats great
[09:08] <Flonne> broke*
[09:09] <Zevin> i mean, from what i can find on google, my particular laptop video card only works with the 6111
[09:09] <tritium> Flonne, which card?
[09:09] <Seveas> holycow, ubuntu is easy to support, that's why there are companies supporting it :)
[09:09] <Flonne> It's the same "model" as mine, but I've heard of this problem before.
[09:09] <tritium> hmm
[09:09] <topyli> holycow: if you are a business, get paid support. otherwise, you'll get help here and elsewhere. it's nice that all the knowledge that people have about debian is transferrable to ubuntu
[09:10] <Zevin> hey flonne, should i ypgrade my kernel to 10-5, or 11? how bout the k7 versions?
[09:10] <holycow> topyli, and vise versa
[09:11] <Flonne> I'm still using 10-5 on my Ubuntu boxes.
[09:11] <holycow> okay cool thanks for answering all my questions
[09:11] <holycow> awesome :)
[09:11] <mathmatt> Is there a way to configure the gnome applications menu to allow right-click-add-to-menu-type functionality?
[09:11] <Flonne> k7 isn't of much use if you have a modern AMD chip.
[09:11] <topyli> holycow: yes, that's a promise canonical ltd. made while building ubuntu
[09:11] <Flonne> It isn't of any use if you have an Intel chip.
[09:11] <beerockxs> can anyone tell me why my gnome-volume-control does not have a settings menu?
[09:11] <Xappe> when are they going to fix the bug that prevents the mounted volumes in /media to show up in Places?
[09:11] <mathmatt> under hoary that is
[09:12] <Xappe> would be nice to have that feature
[09:12] <mathmatt> Xappe: shat version?
[09:12] <mathmatt> What
[09:12] <Flonne> Yes, stupid n00b questions are the best way to learn.
[09:12] <holycow> oh thats just fucking sweet
[09:12] <mathmatt> sorry
[09:12] <Zevin> i tried booting 2.6.11 k7, and ndiswrapper.ko failed to boot
[09:12] <holycow> haha i was looking at getting someone to write that :)
[09:12] <MHaggag> Hi all. I've got a couple of dumb questions...
[09:12] <Flonne> Zevin, what kind of processor do you have?
[09:12] <tritium> Zevin, there are no linux-restricted-modules yet for 2.6.11
[09:12] <Zevin> athlon xp 2800
[09:13] <tritium> so it's not really supported yet
[09:13] <Zevin> ahh
[09:13] <Zevin> so, shouldi upgrade from 10-4 to 10-5?
[09:13] <apokryphos> MHaggag: well, fire away. :)
[09:13] <tritium> That's what I would do
[09:13] <Zevin> kk
[09:13] <dashnu> will someone please post the out put of there default user.. the 'groups' command
[09:13] <blury> athlon Xp 2000+ is supported,right? for the K7?
[09:13] <dashnu> i borked my groups up
[09:13] <Flonne> Zevin, if you absolutely need to have 2.6.11, I can walk you through a manual compile and explain how to remove the files later, but it isn't recommended.
[09:14] <Zevin> na, but thanks flonne
[09:14] <Seveas> dashnu, what do you mean, you want a copy of /etc/groups?
[09:14] <Xappe> mathmatt: hoary
[09:14] <dashnu> just type groups
[09:14] <dashnu> would be fine
[09:14] <MHaggag> Okay:
[09:14] <MHaggag> 1 - How do I change the language used in the login screen? It's currently arabic, changing it to POSIX english form the language button below only changes the language used in gnome itself, after the login
[09:14] <Seveas> dennis@mirage ~ $ groups
[09:14] <Seveas> dennis adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner
[09:14] <Jamminpotato> i jsut got anothe n00b question!
[09:14] <Seveas> so this :)
[09:14] <dashnu> thx very much
[09:14] <Seveas> yw
[09:15] <mathmatt> beerocks: do you mean System->Prefs->Sound? or right click sound icon and Open Volume Control?
[09:15] <Jamminpotato> when i was doing chmod +X and then the place, the folder the file is in has a space in it
[09:15] <Jamminpotato> so its alike i cnat find that
[09:15] <kbrede> dashnu look in /etc/group-
[09:15] <beerockxs> mathmatt: right click sound icon
[09:15] <Xappe> hello tritium btw :)
[09:15] <tritium> hi Xappe  :)
[09:15] <Seveas> Jamminpotato, use tab completion or type spaces as "\ " (without the quotes)
[09:15] <dashnu> i nuked my sudo access and have no root
[09:15] <dashnu> :(
[09:15] <dashnu> hah
[09:15] <Bloody|RLC> The Ubuntu Team is proud to announce a release candidate for Ubuntu 5.04:
[09:15] <Bloody|RLC>   Ubuntu 5.04 RC - codenamed "Hoary Hedgehog" (*)
[09:15] <dashnu> i am booting to gentoo live disk to fix
[09:15] <Seveas> :)
[09:15] <tritium> Bloody|RLC, that's in the topic ;)
[09:16] <dashnu> what a pain
[09:16] <Flonne> dashnu, do you know the process you'll need to use or do you want some help?
[09:16] <holycow> oh i remembered one more question .... is there any discussion within the debian community/ubuntu about a kernel that supports bootsplash?
[09:16] <beerockxs> mathmatt: the help in there shows a settings menu, and i don't have a settings menu
[09:16] <Seveas> dashnu, then just don't screw up these kind of things ;)
[09:16] <Jamminpotato> seveas: thank you
[09:16] <Xira> I just did an apt-get install openoffice.org2 - openoffice 1.3 is still there, so is it safe to do an apt-get remove openoffice.org (this wont delete 2, right?) ?
[09:16] <dashnu> no i no what i need to do thanks
[09:16] <bitar> hey all..
[09:16] <holycow> just wondering if anyone here has their finger on that issue and what is being considered
[09:16] <tritium> holycow, they're wokring on something called usplash
[09:16] <bitar> where can i download Web Browsers other than Firefox and Mozilla...
[09:16] <holycow> okay i'll google that
[09:16] <tritium> it's a bootsplash that runs in userspace, sort of
[09:16] <Seveas> holycow, there is
[09:16] <bitar> ?
[09:16] <holycow> thank you
[09:16] <tritium> holycow, it won't be ready until the next release (not Hoary)
[09:16] <Seveas> holycow, look at the wiki
[09:17] <Flonne> bitar, there are other browsers in the Ubuntu repository.
[09:17] <Flonne> What did you have in mind?
[09:17] <Seveas> USplash looks promising :)
[09:17] <topyli> bitar: which browsers?
[09:17] <holycow> oh next release? is this going to be an ubuntu patch or debian stock kernel?
[09:17] <Flonne> tritium, a userspace bootsplash?
[09:17] <holycow> okay okay i'll wiki :)
[09:17] <holycow> you guys rock btw
[09:17] <Flonne> Would that just be some sort of funky FB pixmap?
[09:17] <tritium> Flonne, yeah
[09:17] <holycow> i don't sense any jedi assholes in here :)
[09:17] <holycow> hehehe
[09:17] <mathmatt> beerocksxs: on hoary?
[09:17] <Seveas> holycow, debian kernel with extra ubuntu patches afaik (but not sure)
[09:18] <Seveas> ask the kernel team if you want to be absolutely sure (#ubuntu-kernel)
[09:18] <topyli> holycow: bad senses you have. hmmm...
[09:18] <tritium> holycow, userspace, so no kernel patches afaik
[09:18] <holycow> topyli, hahaha :)
[09:18] <topyli> heh
[09:18] <bitar> Flonne: something that's not based on Mozilla... coz i'm having a problem with my ISP
[09:18] <holycow> have they managed to migrate to this group too?
[09:18] <beerockxs> mathmatt: warty, if warty is the older one
[09:18] <holycow> tritium, oh userspace? oh thats sweet
[09:18] <Seveas> Flonne, it's more than a funky FB pixmap
[09:18] <Seveas> look at the wiki :)
[09:18] <holycow> now i understand the meaning of usplash
[09:18] <holycow> okay cool
[09:18] <Xira> I just did an apt-get install openoffice.org2 - openoffice 1.3 is still there, so is it safe to do an apt-get remove openoffice.org (this wont delete 2, right?) ?
[09:19] <mathmatt> Xappe: are you mounting devices, networked computers, hard drives?
[09:19] <Seveas> Xira, if you want to test it, try apt-get -s remove
[09:19] <Jamminpotato> i finally got the chmod command to work but a. nothing happened and b. what exactly does chmod do?
[09:19] <MHaggag> Okay, nobody's answered #1, so let's try #2:
[09:19] <MHaggag> Whenever I fire the network-admin, and change the profile, press Ok, it doesn't save anything (If I reopen it, I find it's still using the old profile)
[09:19] <Xappe> mathmatt, partitions
[09:19] <Seveas> -s means simulate :)
[09:19] <topyli> holycow: doesn't work right just now, that's all. (usplash)
[09:19] <Flonne> Is Epiphany based on GTKHTML?
[09:19] <mathmatt> beerockxs: i don't see it in the help for Hoary
[09:20] <Xappe> mathmatt, they show up now and then, but extremely rarely
[09:20] <Arnia> Flonne: Epiphany is Gecko
[09:20] <Flonne> That's what I thought, Arnia.
[09:20] <Seveas> MHaggag, about the languages: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[09:20] <beerockxs> mathmatt: well, how do i then get my 5.1 sound working?
[09:20] <holycow> okay thats brilliant thinking, bootsplash in userspace
[09:20] <Jamminpotato> can anyone tell the poor n00bPotato what chmod does?
[09:20] <holycow> really nice work, no worries whenever just curious, its more important to do it right than to get it out fast
[09:20] <Flonne> Jamminpotato, it changes the permissions on a file.
[09:20] <MHaggag> @Sevas: Erm...is that a command or what?
[09:20] <mathmatt> Xappe: I've had problems with iPod and networked computers under samba
[09:20] <blury>  chmod -Help
[09:20] <bitar> Flonne: other than Epiphany :D
[09:20] <Arnia> holycow: Will also allow bootsplash to react to DBUS
[09:21] <Tomcat_> Jamminpotato: chmod sets if people can read, write and/or execute a file
[09:21] <Flonne> Jamminpotato, it basically allows different people to access the file and do things to it.
[09:21] <Tomcat_> Jamminpotato: For its owner, for its group and all other people
[09:21] <holycow> Arnia, no shit? oh, that just warps my mind
[09:21] <bitar> something similar to internet explorer... not coz i like it but for my STUPID ISP
[09:21] <holycow> what sorts of things does that make possible?
[09:21] <topyli> Jamminpotato: in short, it changes a file's permissions. what can the owner, the owner's group, and "everybody else" do with it.
[09:21] <tritium> Jamminpotato, are you familiar with how to read manpages?  They'll come in handy for you.
[09:22] <K-Rich> greets
[09:22] <Xappe> mathmatt: it's not really a problem. I still can use them as for any mounted device, but they won't show up on the desktop or in places, wich would be quite handy
[09:22] <Flonne> bitar, do you know how your ISP restricts Gecko (Mozilla) browsers?
[09:22] <bitar> so any know a browser?
[09:22] <K-Rich> Xappe: removed udev ?
[09:22] <bitar> Flonne: well i dunno...
[09:22] <bitar> i called them , they said that they dont' work:S
[09:22] <bitar> idiots...
[09:22] <bitar> so they told me to try knoquerer...
[09:23] <bitar> Flonne: do you know any alternatives/
[09:23] <Flonne> bitar, I was considering that, but you'd need several KDE libraries.
[09:23] <topyli> bitar: what exactly is your problem?
[09:23] <K-Rich> firefox
[09:23] <Flonne> bitar, no, not without knowing what the actual problem is.
[09:23] <tritium> Jamminpotato, if you dislike the command-line for reading manpages, you can also read them in yelp (Gnome's help system)
[09:23] <Arnia> holycow: It means that the usplash can react to the proposed DBUS services agent (which aims to reduce the footprint of services and their startup times)
[09:24] <Jamminpotato> tritium, what are manpages, i assume manual possibly?
[09:24] <tritium> Jamminpotato, you got it :)
[09:24] <bitar> i'll tell you guys my problem in couple of minutes..
[09:24] <bitar> brb
[09:24] <dashnu> all rity then i wont do that again!
[09:24] <ren0> Hi, Is anybody else having problems connecting to MSN Messenger with gaim?
[09:24] <Flonne> Yes, ren0.
[09:24] <ren0> Mine just stopped working an hour ago. Thanks Flonne . Not just me then.
[09:24] <Xappe> K-Rich: no? the cd still apears on the desktop
[09:24] <topyli> Jamminpotato: you have a command, say "tar". if you want to know what it does and what it can do for you, you will do "man tar" and get the manual
[09:24] <Bazzi> I cannot connect to it using msn messenger either
[09:24] <Xappe> *appears
[09:24] <Seveas> ren0, msn is borky right now
[09:25] <Bazzi> so network isd own or so
[09:25] <tritium> Jamminpotato, also, as somebody pointed out, many programs have a -h or --help switch
[09:25] <ompaul> date for hoary? I am having a constructive 'debate' about the value of hoary CDs for the Irish Expo on the 13th/14th April
[09:25] <Jamminpotato> topyli, thats pretty cool
[09:25] <Jamminpotato> this linux hting seems prety not that bad
[09:25] <yahalom> hi. my ubuntu update claims i have broken packages, which are the mesa-gl files, i dont want them to upgrde as they want to overwrite my ati settings which i need. How do I remove/ignore the mesa update? It wont let me update anything, as long as those packages aren't fixed. Assistance appreciated ;)
[09:25] <ren0> Microsoft screwing around or is it Hoary's version of gaim?
[09:25] <Flonne> ompaul, April 8th.
[09:25] <topyli> Jamminpotato: yes, it's an old unix tradition :)
[09:25] <Xira> Guys, RC was released today... I'm using the preview release. How can I upgrade?
[09:25] <ompaul> thanks
[09:25] <Seveas> ren0, ms :)
[09:25] <tritium> ren0, MSN is down right now, if that's what you mean
[09:26] <tritium> even for people on Windows
[09:26] <Lefungus> tritium, it's down ? it's not my computer or my firewall ? :)
[09:26] <Jamminpotato> now al i ahve to do is acutally install ubuntu instead of running the live cd =/
[09:26] <yahalom> ren0, yeah it happens often
[09:26] <ompaul> Flonne, the word on the other end of the phone "their timing could be just about right" :)
[09:26] <ren0> Microsoft with its "superior operating system" has crashed? Ha ha
[09:26] <topyli> Jamminpotato: go! go!
[09:26] <tritium> Lefungus, yeah, it is
[09:26] <Lefungus> good
[09:26] <joh_> will there be a bootsplash in hoary?
[09:26] <Xira>  Guys, RC was released today... I'm using the preview release. How can I upgrade?
[09:26] <topyli> joh_: no
[09:26] <apokryphos> Rene_S: well, no. The MSN sever is down.
[09:27] <Flonne> Xira, `apt-get update; apt-get upgrade` should update all packages, though I'm not sure if it qualifies as a new distribution, which would require "dist-upgrade".
[09:27] <tritium> joh_ search the wiki for usplash
[09:27] <yahalom> how do u ignore upgrade packages?
[09:27] <Jamminpotato> the live cd acutally kicks large amounts of ass
[09:27] <joh_> tritium, ah, ok
[09:27] <Xira> Flonne, so which should I do?
[09:27] <apokryphos> But Mikrosoft Windoze crashes all the time, anyhow (at lesat it *always* has for me).
[09:27] <Xira> I just want to upgrade to RC
[09:27] <Jamminpotato> because it already has gaim, xchat, and firfox and OOo
[09:27] <blury> cheers
[09:27] <blury> i am with the last k7 kerneL
[09:27] <topyli> yahalom: in synaptic you can choose from the menu "hold version" or something
[09:27] <tritium> Xira, the repos have the latest packages
[09:27] <blury> everything loaded OK
[09:27] <blury> thanx guys
[09:28] <Xira> tritium, so apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[09:28] <yahalom> topyli, thanx. i'll check it out.
[09:28] <Flonne> topyli, do you know whether RC requires dist-updrade from Preview?
[09:28] <Jamminpotato> would the wise peoiple of #ubuntu recommened isntalling warty or hoary ATM, or should i jsut wait untill hoary is released fully and use that
[09:28] <apokryphos> Jamminpotato: Hoary.
[09:28] <bitar> k m back...
[09:28] <tritium> Xira, you can use upgrade
[09:28] <Jamminpotato> hoary=1 vote warty=0
[09:28] <Jamminpotato> anyone else have an opionion
[09:28] <mathmatt> beerockxs: what are you using for audio? if alsa, try playing with alsamixer
[09:28] <Arnia> holycow: I'm interested to see if Ubuntu will adopt the idea of the service policy agent
[09:28] <tritium> Jamminpotato, we're so close to Hoary release, go with it
[09:28] <topyli> Flonne: it's better
[09:28] <apokryphos> Jamminpotato: I'm not even sure if there's anyone with Warty in here. :)
[09:28] <Jamminpotato> 2 hoary 0 warty
[09:28] <Xira> I want to have the real RC, not just upgrade the packages, so Can I just apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[09:29] <yahalom> this is my prob: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibmesa-gl_6.8.2-8_i386.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2', which is also in package fglrx-6-8-0
[09:29] <Jamminpotato> ok sounds like hoary for me
[09:29] <apokryphos> Jamminpotato: there might be a couple
[09:29] <topyli> Flonne: or, in synaptic, choose the "smart" upgrade
[09:29] <mathmatt> who knows of an easy way to edit the applications menu under hoary?
[09:29] <yahalom> how do i stop that?
[09:29] <Chronusdark> there is a menu editor on the forums
[09:29] <tritium> Flonne, there have been package updates since the preview, so yes, it does require updating
[09:29] <Jamminpotato> now i have to spend an extra hour downloading the iso, oh well
[09:29] <ompaul> Jamminpotato, hoary
[09:29] <apokryphos> Jamminpotato: not at all. Have you got warty?
[09:29] <tritium> Jamminpotato, use .torrent for the RC.
[09:29] <Jamminpotato> i have the warty iso yes
[09:29] <Lefungus> is it possible to update from warty to hoary ?
[09:29] <Xira> tritium, may I query?
[09:29] <tritium> Xira, sure
[09:29] <topyli> Jamminpotato: just upgrade
[09:29] <bitar> well this is my problem for the past week: the way i connect to the ISP is the following: as soon as i open the browser, it aumatically redirects me to the login page. BUT what doesn't work is the "ok" button :/  i write the username and password but clickin on the "OK" button doesn't do anything...
[09:29] <mathmatt> Chronusdark: do you know the name?
[09:29] <Flonne> tritium, topyli, I meant "upgrade" vs. "dist-upgrade".
[09:29] <Lefungus> just by changing repositories ?
[09:29] <bitar> plz help1
[09:29] <blury> stupid question here
[09:29] <Chronusdark> mathmatt: gimme a sec
[09:29] <Jamminpotato> i torrented the iso for the hoary live cd and warty ful isntall go figure
[09:29] <Lefungus> or maybe it create some conflicts
[09:29] <Seveas> Lefungus, yes
[09:30] <apokryphos> Jamminpotato: If you have that installed, you only need to edit one file and two commands, and you've got hoary.
[09:30] <mathmatt> thx
[09:30] <blury> what do i type to install the last hoary version?
[09:30] <bitar> so i thought of changing browsers...
[09:30] <Flonne> Just so I don't spread misinformation by mistake.
[09:30] <holycow> Arnia, any linkage on that?
[09:30] <Jamminpotato> how would i go about upgradeing warty to hoary
[09:30] <topyli> Flonne: use dist-upgrade. the debian standard is to use upgrade first, then dist-upgrade to make sure
[09:30] <apokryphos> Jamminpotato: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/guidetohoary
[09:30] <ompaul> blury,  not yet =) ask the question and then see what happens
[09:30] <Seveas> lefungus: sudu sed -i -e 's/warty/hoary/' && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:30] <tritium> Flonne, upgrade.  If packages get held back, investigate what dist-upgrade might do with -u or -s
[09:30] <topyli> Flonne: but this time, the difference is not that big
[09:31] <netsack> tritium, should you do that while X is running or does it not matter?
[09:31] <Flonne> bitar, do you only have to log in once per session?
[09:31] <blury> i will wait for the new version
[09:31] <Seveas> lefungus: sudo sed -i -e 's/warty/hoary/' /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:31] <Chronusdark> mathmatt: its http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20705&highlight=menu+editor be sure to run it as root or it will mess up your menu...well at least it did it for me
[09:31] <bitar> Flonne: yeah..
[09:31] <Jamminpotato> i almsot asked what distro everyone in here liked, wow that woulda been stupid
[09:31] <mathmatt> Chronusdark: thanks!
[09:31] <Seveas> listfaqs
[09:31] <Lefungus> Seveas, good to know then. I'm already using hoary though
[09:31] <Chronusdark> mathmatt: no problem
[09:31] <topyli> Jamminpotato: red hat enterprise
[09:31] <tritium> netsack, you can, but you might want to log out and back in after
[09:31] <Flonne> bitar, this may fail, but you could try using lynx, a command line browser, to make the connection, then return to Firefox or whatever.
[09:31] <netsack> tritium, how do you do it?
[09:31] <Arnia> holycow: Just looking for them
[09:32] <ompaul> Jamminpotato, no you just would have got one answer as a joke and lots of people going Hu?
[09:32] <Jamminpotato> topyli: do you like it more than suse enterprise?
[09:32] <topyli> hehe
[09:32] <Flonne> Mandrake!
[09:32] <Zevin> anyone installed wine recently that can lend a hand?
[09:32] <Jamminpotato> i treid mandrake once upon a time, and ididnt like it
[09:32] <bitar> Flonne: how could i do that?
[09:32] <ompaul> urmpi -r Flonne :)
[09:32] <Jamminpotato> then debian hated me and i could intsall a gui
[09:32] <topyli> Jamminpotato: i'd say half are mandrake/other-newbie-distro users and half are debian users
[09:32] <ompaul> it borke
[09:32] <blury> me hates mandrake
[09:33] <Flonne> bitar, using Synaptic, look for "Find" in the menus, then enter "lynx".
[09:33] <bitar> Flonne: i need to see the login page in order to write the info, no?
[09:33] <Seveas> ren0, msn works again here
[09:33] <Seveas> ren0, try it now :)
[09:33] <tritium> netsack, me personally?  I tend to update and upgrade while I'm in X
[09:33] <Jamminpotato> then suse i liked ,but the box it was one had to be switched to windows so i oculd use it at shcool for theatre stuff
[09:33] <blury> i hated SuSe,it had issues
[09:33] <Flonne> bitar, yes. lynx does a pretty good job of rendering pages.
[09:33] <Chronusdark> aliens existance proof
[09:33] <Chronusdark> http://www.netro.ca/disclosure/npccmenu.htm
[09:33] <Lefungus> "extract here" with file-roller extract data into an unwanted "*_FILES" directory :(
[09:33] <ompaul> blury, do not waste energy, do something constructive
[09:33] <netsack> tritium, ok. thanks. just wanted to make sure that was ok.
[09:33] <bitar> alright.. i'm gonna try it..
[09:33] <Jamminpotato> *couldnt install gui in dabian
[09:33] <bitar> where do u find Synaptic?
[09:34] <apokryphos> bitar: Alt + F2 > synaptic
[09:34] <topyli> Flonne: bitar, the only reason to install lynx these days is accessibility. if you're blind or so. otherwise, use links
[09:34] <blury> apt-get
[09:34] <Jamminpotato> also i prefer kde to gnome after using gnome for liek an hour :)
[09:34] <Flonne> topyli, I didn't see links in the default repository.
[09:34] <Jamminpotato> *prefer gnome
[09:34] <apokryphos> Jamminpotato: ;-)
[09:34] <Jamminpotato> not kde
[09:34] <Jamminpotato> gnome > kde
[09:34] <apokryphos> Bah
[09:34] <blury> gnome works better
[09:34] <tritium> netsack, sure
[09:34] <blury> kde has got the looks
[09:34] <Flonne> topyli, I actually spent several minutes looking. (I'm an elinks fan myself.)
[09:34] <Chronusdark> jamminpotato: i agree
[09:34] <holycow> i like gnome but i love a whole bunch of things about kde too
[09:34] <bitar> topyli: how can i use links? what do u exactly mean?
[09:34] <topyli> Flonne: oh, it's in universe then
[09:34] <Jamminpotato> i dont liek the look and feel of kde that much
[09:34] <fgx> hello, i think i got a problem with acpi/apm during boot. gentlemen, can you help me please?
[09:34] <apokryphos> Jamminpotato: which version were you using?
[09:34] <holycow> konqueror is bloody amazing
[09:35] <Zevin> hmm, software updater just installed 80 updates. interesting
[09:35] <Seveas> fgx, state the problem
[09:35] <blury> in lynx,you dont use a mouse
[09:35] <topyli> bitar: i guess it's not in the default repository
[09:35] <apokryphos> Jamminpotato: 3.4 on Hoary is *seriously* worth trying out.
[09:35] <Flonne> holycow, yes, Konqueror is great.
[09:35] <juliusk> Both gnome and KDE have really good points :P When I first tried kde for some mins I liked its look but the menus were too mesy, too many options. ANyway now I'm in love with kde... since I can't make my mind up, I use both :P
[09:35] <blury> you use the keyboard only
[09:35] <Arnia> kde is too crowded... the menus are packed too tightly and the number of options is unnecessary.
[09:35] <apokryphos> Arnia: They're not if they're used. :)
[09:35] <apokryphos> Arnia: Better to know that you have the options there, if need be, than to not.
[09:35] <bitar> topyli: so what do you think i should do to solve my problem?
[09:35] <Arnia> I used to be an avid KDE user until I realised that I spent more time fiddling than I did working
[09:35] <Jamminpotato> apokryphos: i was using whatever came with suse enterprise 9.2
[09:35] <blury> both on Kde and Gnome,you have the choice to change everything
[09:35] <synd> hey guys i go the gaim-guifications.deb.. how do i install it to work with gaim?
[09:35] <fgx> Seveas, i made install noapic nolapic, but during the first boot after fresh install the laptop simply shutdown
[09:36] <juliusk> Arnia: That's my point :P I guess kubuntu will make efforts on making it "simple" as gnome-ubuntu :P
[09:36] <Seveas> fgx, during second startup too?
[09:36] <Flonne> synd, dpkg -i <.deb>
[09:36] <Arnia> Gnome, the options are there... I just don't get distracted by them
[09:36] <Jamminpotato> what exactly is kubuntu
[09:36] <synd> Flonne: thanks
[09:36] <apokryphos> Jamminpotato: looks like that was 3.2. Heh. Quite dated.
[09:36] <Flonne> Jamminpotato, a KDE-based version of Ubuntu.
[09:36] <blury> me wants to kno too
[09:36] <Seveas> synd: sudo dpkg -i gaim-guifications.deb
[09:36] <Jamminpotato> ok
[09:36] <juliusk> YOu can install gaim-guifications using apt-get too
[09:36] <Arnia> Plus from an API point of view, KDE and QT are so C++ centric. I prefer idiomatic libraries like the GTk bindings
[09:36] <apokryphos> Jamminpotato: for reference, #kubuntu exists
[09:37] <Timbo> KDE just feels "clunky" to me
[09:37] <topyli> bitar: i don't know what your problem is. i just heard you're installing lynx and suggested an alternative that i like. lynx is fine and does the job just as well
[09:37] <Flonne> So it does.
[09:37] <Jamminpotato> i was aobut to try that acutally
[09:37] <fgx> Seveas, yes. it shutdown during kernel boot. sometimes it starts init, sometimes not
[09:37] <HKSDU> is there gubuntu yet?
[09:37] <apokryphos> Arnia: Your argument is changing :). One minute you say it has too many options, next you say that Gnome has them too.
[09:37] <thundrcleeze> what?
[09:37] <apokryphos> HKSDU: errr
[09:37] <Flonne> HKSDU, Ubuntu is Gubuntu.
[09:37] <juliusk> Ubuntu uses GNome , and kubuntu uses KDE. But you can install both in both :P
[09:37] <thundrcleeze> ubuntu uses gnome
[09:37] <topyli> period.
[09:37] <Seveas> fgx, try booting noacpi etc.. from the grub command line
[09:37] <Arnia> apokryphos: I said it has too many options in the user interface (or at least that is what I meant)
[09:37] <bitar> topyli: so i use the Synaptic to find the Lynx?
[09:38] <Seveas> or try the recovery mode and see where it goes wrong
[09:38] <apokryphos> Arnia: That's a bad thing?
[09:38] <bitar> as Flonne said?
[09:38] <topyli> bitar: yes
[09:38] <_spiral> hmmm... I've got some hotplug problems on my hoary on a laptop
[09:38] <apokryphos> Go figure.
[09:38] <fgx> Seveas, and sometimes it doesnt start boot because it says something about selected cylinder exceedes supported by bios
[09:38] <bitar> alright
[09:38] <bitar> brb
[09:38] <_spiral> could anyone help me ?
[09:38] <Arnia> apokryphos: Yes. Read any usability text and cognitive psychology text for reasons
[09:38] <HKSDU> o....ic....I am a linux newbie, I wanna know that if enlightenment or something is a windows manager, so KDE and Gnome are also windows managers right? they sit on top of XServer?
[09:38] <topyli> bitar: you can fiddle with the extra thousands of packages later :)
[09:38] <apokryphos> Arnia: Hah. That's a nice way of not substantiating your position.
[09:39] <D-menT> hi
[09:39] <D-menT> someone speak spanish?
[09:39] <Flonne> Yes, HKSDU.
[09:39] <Arnia> apokryphos: No, I'm actually trying to find the links now. I'm just in a business discussion too which is slowing me down
[09:39] <apokryphos> D-menT: #ubuntu-es
[09:39] <Seveas> HKSDU, kde and gnome are desktop environments, NOT window managers
[09:39] <D-menT> thxs
[09:39] <topyli> D-menT: join #ubuntu-es
[09:39] <HKSDU> Flonne: thanks
[09:39] <juliusk> I don't like kde having A LOT Of options 'just there'. Many of them will never be used, but it think those options HAVE to exist
[09:39] <apokryphos> Arnia: Ok, well please do share when you have.
[09:39] <HKSDU> Seveas: So what about Enlightenment?
[09:39] <Seveas> a window manager is for instance sawfish
[09:40] <topyli> HKSDU: my old favorite. what about it?
[09:40] <fgx> Seveas, now it seems it shutdown even before i can select something from grub list :-( (bios prob?)
[09:40] <Xappe> KDE and Gnome are desktop environments. gnome has metacity as it's wm
[09:40] <HKSDU> Seveas: So there are three layers, KDE/Gnome sits on top of sawfish, then sawfish sits on top of Xserver?
[09:40] <Seveas> fgx, yes, definitely looks like that
[09:40] <apokryphos> I find the criticism of something having "a lot of options" really quite weird. Seems like a plus to me. Go figure.
[09:40] <Seveas> fgx, is grub installed on the first partition?
[09:40] <topyli> HKSDU: no
[09:40] <fgx> Seveas, in mbr
[09:40] <Seveas> HKSDU it is X > gnome > nautilus
[09:40] <netsack> apokryphos, they need an option to turn off the extra options.
[09:41] <HKSDU> what's the difference between windows manager and desktop environment then?
[09:41] <Lefungus> what package do I need to install to get libtoolize ?!?
[09:41] <juliusk> I like kde because of the eye-candy ^^ (and because I find it faster than gnome ).. but I like gnome because it's very clean
[09:41] <topyli> HKSDU: X is there. then come gnome/kde, with their own window managers. they are not desktop-goodies but desktops
[09:41] <fgx> Seveas, discovered something: if i unplug AC power from laptop, it boots ok!
[09:41] <Seveas> HKSDU, window managers manage the appearance of windows
[09:41] <apokryphos> netsack: And why is that bad? In the appropriate context I'd say that was vital. Say if I'm running a stream of computers with several users; I don't want them to have a particular option; voila.
[09:41] <Flonne> HKSDU, Gnome and KDE integrate window managers, but they also provide complex development tools, and a number of management features; window managers just handle window display.
[09:41] <Seveas> and DE the appearance of the whole desktop (background, icons on it, taskbars)
[09:42] <Seveas> (and there are other - less visible, more behind-the-scenes things)
[09:42] <apokryphos> netsack: it's not as if you're "lost in the options", and I find it very odd that someone should say that. KDE is not just for pros :P.
[09:42] <HKSDU> So that is why I can choose the windows manager inside KDE control panel?
[09:42] <Seveas> so, a DE needs a WM :)
[09:42] <DemisM> any of you do java programming?
[09:42] <Seveas> because there are several WM's for KDE
[09:42] <HKSDU> DemisM: here
[09:42] <Seveas> just as there are several for gnome
[09:42] <netsack> apokryphos, i was agreeing with you. i like options but want to hide them from my wife.
[09:42] <HKSDU> Seveas: ic ic...
[09:42] <helio7> Does anyone know what Linux Distro Brazil is considering for their big "PC Conectado" project?  I wonder if Ubuntu is an option for them?
[09:42] <apokryphos> Seveas: It might just be me, but surely the criticism of a DE being "ugly" is a non-point. It's completely configurable.
[09:42] <apokryphos> netsack: :P
[09:43] <DemisM> HKSDU, what do you use to program in ubuntu?
[09:43] <Seveas> apokryphos, ?
[09:43] <Flonne> HKSDU, as far as the logic goes, yes, they all run on top of X, but DEs provide a lot more (which some people call bloat).
[09:43] <libben> Just installed Ubuntu preview horay 5.04, but i get 60 hz on my resolution.... how do i update my nvidia drivers in a easy way,...
[09:43] <mathmatt> how do you run a program as root, that is how do I change the root password?
[09:43] <apokryphos> Seveas: Only jumped in now, haven't been following the discussion. Were you not just saying that you dislike KDE because you find it aesthetically unappealing?
[09:43] <topyli> helio7: ubuntu would be nice, but i think mandrake is strong after they acquired conectiva
[09:43] <Seveas> mathmatt, sudo
[09:43] <Seveas> apokryphos, yeah, but that was hours/days ago...
[09:43] <holycow> Arnia, what did you call it again? user policy daemon? i wouldn't mind googling that further but my buffer has scrolled offscreen ..
[09:43] <HKSDU> DemisM: Depends on what kind of program, if that is web app, I use eclipse, if that is standalone, I use gedit or some Pure java editor
[09:43] <Seveas> so not in this instance of the discussion :)
[09:44] <apokryphos> Seveas: Sorry, thought you said that now. Nevermind.
[09:44] <mathmatt> Seveas: yeah, but is that really equivalent?
[09:44] <DemisM> HKSDU, is eclipse free?
[09:44] <HKSDU> Flonne: ic, so besides KDE and Gnome, what are other DE?
[09:44] <holycow> DemisM, yes
[09:44] <Seveas> mathmatt, no, it is more secure :)
[09:44] <HKSDU> DemisM: yes, it's open source and free.
[09:44] <helio7> ahh topyli ah makes sense
[09:44] <Seveas> mathmatt: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:44] <Flonne> HKSDU, a few others exist, and there has been talk in the e community of going there, but at the moment they aren't really worth mentioning.
[09:44] <netsack> has anybody seen their clock run fast when ripping CDs with Grip on hoary?
[09:44] <fgx> Seveas, what does it mean if with no AC it boot ok?
[09:44] <DemisM> HKSDU, is there a package or I have to untar or what not?
[09:45] <topyli> helio7: debian or ubuntu might be more in accordance with their politics, but it does smell like mandrake
[09:45] <mathmatt> Seveas: I am using menu-editor, but was told to run as root.  will sudo do the trick?
[09:45] <Flonne> Of course, there was also talk in the e community of releasing e17 years ago.
[09:45] <mathmatt> Seveas: ok i'll read up on it thanks
[09:45] <Arnia> apokryphos: I can recommend http://www.joelonsoftware.com/uibook/chapters/fog0000000057.html
[09:45] <Seveas> mathmatt, yes, sudo or gksudo will do that
[09:45] <HKSDU> DemisM: yes, you go to www.eclipse.org, then find the appropriate package
[09:45] <mathmatt> Seveas: thank you!
[09:45] <Arnia> apokryphos: Just scanning one of my cognitive psychology texts now
[09:45] <Amaranth> topyli: cvs is there
[09:46] <HKSDU> DemisM: http://eclipse.org/downloads/index.php
[09:46] <Flonne> I wonder if anyone will actually ignore e17 when it's out.
[09:46] <topyli> Amaranth: yes. what i hear it's beautiful but doesn't do much :(
[09:46] <apokryphos> Arnia: Ok, so -- to clarify your position so we know: you're arguing that there shouldn't be so many options available in the KDE user interface?
[09:46] <helio7> topyli: I wonder if anyone from the Ubuntu community has contacted them to suggest what you said; that Debian or Ubuntu would be more in-line with their politics?
[09:46] <apokryphos> Arnia: I guess you're saying there shouldn't be GUI options for them?
[09:47] <Amaranth> Arnia: Sounds like you want GNOME. :)
[09:47] <topyli> helio7: no idea. i'm sure the debian folks are aware and working
[09:47] <caffinated> topyli: i found a repository for it (a new test build) and tried it out - it's not that great yet.  they have a lot of work to do yet
[09:47] <juliusk> what's eclipse exactly? <-- noob question :P
[09:47] <randabis> I can't get the e17 repository at soulmachine.net to work for some reason
[09:47] <Seveas> juliusk, an IDE
[09:47] <topyli> caffinated: yeah
[09:47] <Flonne> juliusk, a really powerful (and slow) Java development environment coded in Java.
[09:47] <Seveas> (Integrated Development Environment)
[09:48] <HKSDU> juliusk: it's when the sun was being eaten by earth or the other way around :P
[09:48] <juliusk> lol
[09:48] <Seveas> :)
[09:48] <Arnia> apokryphos: I'm arguing that options in GUIs should be treated with caution (their benefit must outweigh the extreme cognitive cost)... sane defaults are definitely preferable
[09:48] <juliusk> Thanks for the replies ;-)
[09:48] <holycow> helio7, thats a good question indeed
[09:48] <Flonne> juliusk, it's great if you *really* have to work on Java and have 512 megs of RAM doing nothing.
[09:48] <Jamminpotato> do they make eclipse for *nix
[09:48] <CheeseBall> anyone fimilar with gtkpod
[09:48] <Seveas> Arnia, i completely agree with that
[09:48] <holycow> helio7, it wouldn't make sense for them to use anything other than debian, all the other distros are basically a packaging mess
[09:48] <Seveas> Jamminpotato, it's java, so cross-platform
[09:48] <Flonne> Jamminpotato, one of the goals of Java is to run on all major platforms.
[09:48] <juliusk> Flionne, too bad I just have 256mb of ram :(
[09:48] <Seveas> (mostly)
[09:48] <juliusk> Flonne*
[09:48] <helio7> CheeseBall: I installed gtkpod but couldn't get it to work with my mp4s
[09:48] <Flonne> Of course, Java sucks, so...
[09:48] <Jamminpotato> omfg i totally just n00bed
[09:48] <holycow> helio7, if i were brazil, i would definately base it on debian something or other
[09:49] <topyli> here's the java wisdom of the day: "java is not slow by definition, it just encourages bad coding" =)
[09:49] <HKSDU> juliusk: IDE that is not only an editor but also provides many handy features like real time compilation, debugger and application generation template.
[09:49] <apokryphos> Arnia: And you're consequently therefore arguing that KDE's use of options in its User Interface are "not used with caution", right?
[09:49] <Flonne> juliusk, you can run it, but you might spend a lot of time waiting for it to respond.
[09:49] <Jamminpotato> well iahve to learn it for my ap comp sci class so for the moment java is the r0x0rs ;)
[09:49] <Seveas> topyli, java is slow by definition
[09:49] <juliusk> I don't programme any way :( Wish I could learn :P
[09:49] <Seveas> or actually: by JIT implementation...
[09:49] <Xira> Just upgraded preview to RC!
[09:49] <Flonne> topyli, it's slow, encourages bad coding, and promotes non-Free ideals.
[09:49] <topyli> Seveas: come on, don't ruin the encouragement :)
[09:50] <apokryphos> Arnia: also partly wondering how much you know about KDE. If you know there are reasonably large accessibility and usability teams...
[09:50] <CheeseBall> ah
[09:50] <Flonne> juliusk, learn to hack out some simple Python scripts. :)
[09:50] <HKSDU> topyli: lol....
[09:50] <Seveas> lol topyli :)
[09:50] <DemisM> how do you upgrade preview to RC?
[09:50] <topyli> hehe
[09:50] <apokryphos> Arnia: Options and layout of KDE programs (particularly large ones) are not such whimisical decisions.
[09:50] <Xira> DemisM, apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:50] <Seveas> DemisM, apt-get upgrade :)
[09:50] <juliusk> Flonne , I guess I'll start trying to understand some simple superkaramba python scripts xD
[09:50] <CheeseBall> i was wondering if there was anyway to save a playlist of local MP3s so that it does not have to cahe them everytime you click on that playlist
[09:50] <Xira> Eh
[09:50] <Xira> Do apt-get -u dist-upgrade
[09:50] <Arnia> Cognitive Psychology: A Student's Handbook (3rd Edition), M. Eysenck, M. Keane (1998) Psychology Press. Chapter 9, page 213
[09:50] <Xira> make sure nothing critical is removed
[09:50] <Xira> if not
[09:50] <helio7> DemisM: or via Synaptic if you prefer the gui
[09:50] <HKSDU> caffinated: I was developing my own ftp client using swing on my sister's computer: Athlon 700 with 256MB ram, it was fine
[09:50] <Xira> do dist-upgrade
[09:50] <Xappe> I've upgraded Hoary at least three times a day since november. i'm getting bored now when Hoary is getting more and more stable :)
[09:50] <Jamminpotato> i made a simple instant messaging program in java nad felt so special
[09:50] <Jamminpotato> then i realized....
[09:51] <blury> how do i chose a link in lynx??
[09:51] <holycow> juliusk, yeah, try out the python ide called boa constructor
[09:51] <synd> hey guys im trying to upgrade gaim and im getting this error
[09:51] <synd> gaim:
[09:51] <synd>   Depends: perl (>=5.8.4-2ubuntu0.1) but 5.8.4-2 is to be installed
[09:51] <Jamminpotato> i didnt even have to do much but make a couple socket obejects nad use the standard libs
[09:51] <Xappe> bluty, tab to it and press enter?
[09:51] <DemisM> i guess mine is already the latest RC build
[09:51] <holycow> theres a great tutorial to follow in there to build your own first text editor
[09:51] <helio7> blury highlight the link and hit enter... scroll with arrows or tab
[09:51] <apokryphos> Arnia: just the title would have sufficed, but nevermind. ;-)
[09:51] <Jamminpotato> is the python synatax similar to java?
[09:51] <randabis> Seveas, apt-get upgrade will hold packages back
[09:51] <blury> haha
[09:51] <Seveas> synd, extra repositories?
[09:51] <holycow> i still use the one i built because it loads faster than gedit
[09:51] <holycow> >_>
[09:51] <blury> it doesnt get highlighted
[09:51] <caffinated> HKSDU: yes, i'm thinking the 'java is slow' stigma is basicly one of those urban myths that popped up because a few people tried badly written programs.
[09:51] <Flonne> Not really, Jamminpotato.
[09:51] <blury> which is better?
[09:51] <blury> elinks or lynx?
[09:52] <Arnia> Talks about how the imagery components are reused by several other facilities the brain provides. Has a direct impact on keeping the visual scene simple to allow other components more time using the imagery component
[09:52] <Flonne> Jamminpotato, Python was designed to be readable and easy to maintain.
[09:52] <Jamminpotato> azerus isnt that slow and its in java
[09:52] <synd> Seveas: I have the extras.. ?
[09:52] <juliusk> is RC working ok? DIst-upgrade will upgrade all the meta-packages that the regular update doesnt... is it safe to do it?
[09:52] <randabis> links2
[09:52] <Flonne> blury, elinks.
[09:52] <Seveas> caffinated, java IS slow compared to a real compiled language
[09:52] <juliusk> holycow, thanks, I guess Ill try it out ;)
[09:52] <caffinated> Seveas: sure, no question.  but at the same time, for many things, it's fast enough.
[09:52] <Seveas> synd, remove extras (like backports) and retry...
[09:52] <Jamminpotato> hmmm...i may have to learn me some python
[09:52] <Seveas> caffinated, indeed :)
[09:52] <Seveas> but then again
[09:52] <Lefungus> caffinated, it can be both slow and fast enough
[09:53] <Seveas> Java is ugly too :)
[09:53] <HKSDU> Flonne: Caffinated doesn't mean that, he means that programmers write poor code making it slow, not the language itself.
[09:53] <caffinated> Seveas: it doesn't have to be
[09:53] <Jamminpotato> my case o bawls wont be here by the lan parrty friday :(
[09:53] <apokryphos> Arnia: do go on.
[09:53] <topyli> Jamminpotato: azureus's gui is gtk, not java
[09:53] <juliusk> is it?
[09:53] <Lefungus> it's SWT
[09:53] <Seveas> caffinated, then why is it so damn ugly ;)
[09:53] <Lefungus> which then use java
[09:54] <Seveas> [sorry for tre flame bait] 
[09:54] <topyli> limewire for example
[09:54] <caffinated> Seveas: are you talking about the code, or the widgets used in GUI programming?
[09:54] <synd> Seveas: I didnt have my security repos enabled.. I think thats what it is.
[09:54] <synd> Seveas: thanks!
[09:54] <HKSDU> Seveas: I really think that C++ is beautiful but then C is very ugly sometimes, when I program function pointers with array and things like that, omg, I am lost
[09:54] <Seveas> caffinated, the programming style
[09:54] <Seveas> the ReallyLongFunctionNames
[09:54] <caffinated> oh, I don't find that so bad
[09:54] <juliusk> Err http://es.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main kubuntu-desktop 0.37 404 not found
[09:54] <juliusk> lol
[09:54] <HKSDU> Seveas: it's not necessary to follow
[09:54] <caffinated> it's at least readable
[09:54] <Arnia> apokryphos: How much detail do you want me to give?
[09:54] <topyli> Seveas: PEOPLE ARE BITING! =)
[09:55] <Seveas> HKSDU, nu but the standard api has OverlyExaggeratedLongNames
[09:55] <HKSDU> Seveas: btw, there is nothing to do with Java, u can do that in C++ too
[09:55] <Flonne> Any luck, Gecko?
[09:55] <apokryphos> Arnia: Well, enough to make your point (that assuredly doesn't substantiate your position).
[09:55] <apokryphos> Arnia: that tells us little more than Ockham's razor does
[09:55] <Seveas> hksdu, yes, but the standard is not to do
[09:55] <Arnia> apokryphos: And what's your background (so I know the metaphors to use)
[09:55] <Seveas> I like coding standards
[09:55] <Seveas> I like following them
[09:55] <juliusk> Ockham's razor!! I did study that in philosophy :P
[09:55] <topyli> guys. there may be people with ubuntu problems here
[09:55] <apokryphos> Arnia: Philosophical/Scientific/Mathematical. :)
[09:55] <Seveas> so when i program c++ i use cout << "text"
[09:56] <Arnia> apokryphos: Have you read Spolsky on Usability?
[09:56] <HKSDU> Seveas: true, but aren't they more readable? so ppl extend your class know what's happening? isn't that meaningfull class/variable/function names making development more efficient?
[09:56] <Seveas> which is so much nicer than System.out.println("crap")
[09:56] <apokryphos> Arnia: Can't say that I have.
[09:56] <synd> topyli: Ubuntu..problems? what are you talking about??!
[09:56] <Flonne> People come here with questions, topyli? <fake shock />
[09:56] <synd> topyli: : )
[09:56] <Seveas> HKSDU, long is not equivalent to more readable
[09:56] <Gecko> Flonne, none what so ever
[09:56] <Seveas> i like a line length limit of 80 chars
[09:56] <Seveas> so i can PRINT code
[09:56] <Arnia> apokryphos: Well I gave you the link. Read that as it gives a good background to usability and the terminology, theory and principals
[09:56] <Flonne> Gecko, even using the Free drivers?
[09:56] <Seveas> and check it with a red pen
[09:56] <topyli> heh. hate to interrupt, but from what i know, there's a topic here :)
[09:57] <Gecko> Flonne, still lots of artifacts
[09:57] <Arnia> apokryphos: Then we can discuss other sources without confusion of language
[09:57] <apokryphos> Arnia: Well, you can go right ahead with your argument, and I'll try to keep up. ;)
[09:57] <Gecko> I need a tool though to extract pqi image files. Anyone know of a such?
[09:57] <synd> anyone know a good site for Ubuntu wallpaper/background
[09:57] <synd> s
[09:57] <joelburton> hi, all. what's the best way to install ubuntu onto a machine that has no CD drive? i have a memory stick or a floppy drive for it, and it has ethernet, so i can connect to the internet for a net install.
[09:57] <Flonne> Gecko, I'd suggest looking for people with the same laptop using Google -- maybe it's a common problem.
[09:57] <topyli> hey, there is (at least used to be) #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:57] <apokryphos> Arnia: Though, am I of the firm belief that it's quite palpable that having options available is generally a good thing.
[09:57] <Seveas> synd, google for apod if you like pictures of the galaxy
[09:57] <HKSDU> got disconnected by U wireless
[09:57] <synd> joelburton: the net install..
[09:57] <Gecko> Flonne, Yes, it is. But noone has a solution
[09:57] <apokryphos> Arnia: I don't think usability or accessibility is sacrificed by this.
[09:58] <joelburton> synd: what does the net install require? what do i actually boot to?
[09:58] <apokryphos> Arnia: As I've said, KDE has several members that they dedicate to this particular area.
[09:58] <apokryphos> *are dedicated
[09:58] <netsack> i just did apt-get update; apt-get upgrade and then apt-get dist-upgrade and the dist-upgrade part didn't install anything new.
[09:58] <synd> joelburton: i believe it requires a floppy.. youll have to check the Ubuntu website. i know for a fact that theres a net install though.
[09:58] <blury> elinks rulezz
[09:58] <netsack> should it have?
[09:58] <HKSDU> Seveas: but short is definitely unreadable....for me at least, I have problems remembering things, especially something that is in abbreviation "geek" name
[09:58] <topyli> oh, #ubuntu-offtopic is not very busy it seems
[09:59] <Arnia> apokryphos: Options are ok... but the number KDE presents its users with is obscene. And most are so far away from the task domain (which is what users care about) that they're completely pointless
[09:59] <Jamminpotato> topli are you try to hint hint at something
[09:59] <Seveas>  Hi, sorry for the color, but shall we stop talking gnome vs kde and java vs others and help people here, thank you :)
[09:59] <juliusk> Has anybody with kubuntu-desktop tried a successfull dist-upgrade? :S
[09:59] <apokryphos> Arnia: KDE aims to be a powerful desktop environment for both users and developers.
[09:59] <synd> joelburton: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-797.html
[09:59] <Flonne> No, but I can run the command now and check the results when I get home, juliusk.
[09:59] <synd> joelburton: check that out
[09:59] <randabis> apokryphos, and it acheieves that goal well :)
[10:00] <joelburton> thanks, synd.
[10:00] <HKSDU> Seveas: hehehe, sorry guys, but I am the one being helped here.  May I ask if any of you switched from Debian and why?
[10:00] <synd> joelburton: np, good luck.
[10:00] <Flonne> juliusk, you could try asking in #kubuntu, which is probably meant to handle questions like that.
[10:00] <juliusk> Flonne, apt-get just can't find kubuntu-desktop package.. not sure if it has something to do with the fact that my apt-get downloads it from es.archive.ubuntu.com
[10:01] <topyli> Jamminpotato: well, this is fun. but there is a purpose for this channel you know :)
[10:01] <Seveas> juliusk, probably es.archive is archive :)
[10:01] <Jamminpotato> topyli, i understand completely
[10:01] <Jamminpotato> also i didnt know there was a offtopic
[10:01] <Jamminpotato> i dont have any questions atm
[10:01] <juliusk> Seveas, I guess so, because I've copied the url (http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kubuntu-meta/kubuntu-desktop_0.37_i386.deb) and removed the .es and still 404
[10:01] <caffinated> HKSDU: that's easy.  I won't touch debian anymore because of the community behind it.
[10:01] <synd> Seveas: I dont want no galaxy pictures :p i want ubuntu style backgrounds.. kinda like the default ones
[10:01] <Jamminpotato> but just wait untill i acually install it on a desktop then ill be back
[10:01] <bitar> guys, there's not suck thing as "LYNX" in the Synaptic :(
[10:02] <randabis> juliusk, it's probably that mirror having problems...I have no problems upgrading from the archive.ubuntu.com
[10:02] <synd> bitar: did you load up all your repos?
[10:02] <Flonne> bitar, all packages have lower-case names.
[10:02] <flyingsquirrel54> hey,m can I install rpms on my ubuntu machine without worries?
[10:02] <bitar> Flonne: i know..
[10:02] <bitar> synd: how ? what do you mean?
[10:02] <HKSDU> caffinated: ic, actually I was using debian before, the lack of updated packages really left me in dust and I was so outdated, so I am looking for alternatives but then I love debian's architecture
[10:02] <juliusk> randabis guess I'll have to try later to see if it gets fixed :P my hoary preview is stable so I don't really care :P
[10:03] <libben> whats the root password when u made fresh install
[10:03] <caffinated> HKSDU: i pretty much just got tired of the often hostile attitudes that can be present there.
[10:03] <flyingsquirrel54> can I install rpms on my ubuntu machine without worries?
[10:03] <synd> bitar: sudo apt-cache search lynx
[10:03] <Jamminpotato> i dont know
[10:03] <Jamminpotato> because i am t3h n00b
[10:03] <juliusk> flyingsquerrel54 you could try alien for that
[10:04] <Flonne> synd, apt-cache should not be a restricted command.
[10:04] <flyingsquirrel54> what is alien?
[10:04] <bitar> synd:: then? can you tell me all the steps coz i'm using XP @ the moment..
[10:04] <synd> bitar: i found lynx.. a text mode WWW browser?
[10:04] <Flonne> Yes, synd.
[10:04] <juliusk> that's it
[10:04] <bitar> so i just do : sudo apt-cache search lynx ?
[10:04] <juliusk> I'm not really sure what alien is, but I think it converts .rpms to .deb or something like that
[10:04] <synd> bitar: yes, to search your current repos to see if its there
[10:04] <flyingsquirrel54> is it reliable?
[10:05] <caffinated> flyingsquirrel54: alien is a program for converting RPM to deb
[10:05] <synd> bitar: one more thing
[10:05] <bitar> synd : yeah?
[10:05] <topyli> Jamminpotato: random chatting is ok, but people come here with problems, we should give them support too
[10:05] <caffinated> it's pretty easy to use, just: sudo alien myPackage.rpm
[10:05] <caffinated> and it generates a deb
[10:05] <flyingsquirrel54> is it reliable?
[10:05] <Jamminpotato> topyli, i was just saying i would tell him if i know but i dont know cause i am a n00b
[10:05] <caffinated> flyingsquirrel54: hit and miss, but i've had more hits than misses
[10:05] <synd> bitar: goto http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories if you dont find it
[10:06] <flyingsquirrel54> I'm trying to install nvidia drivers for my geforce 5200
[10:06] <juliusk> I havent ever tried it because I always find .deb packages for the apps. I need, but from what I can read in the forums, alien seems to work OK with most of packages
[10:06] <synd> bitar: that'll get you the extra repositories, then redo the apt-get install lynx
[10:06] <flyingsquirrel54> normal monitor works, but tv-out doesnt
[10:06] <topyli> flyingsquirrel54: no, it's not something you should rely on. if you can find source, build your own deb package with checkinstall or something
[10:06] <synd> bitar: you should find it
[10:06] <caffinated> flyingsquirrel54: i couldn't say about that - i did mine with the nvidia installer
[10:06] <juliusk> can't you just install nvidia-glx drivers or something?
[10:06] <bitar> alright.. in case i don't.. i do   " sudo apt-get install lynx "
[10:06] <revildab[tm] > is there a quick way to remove kde applets from the gnome menu?
[10:06] <flyingsquirrel54>  caffinated: what card do you have?
[10:07] <caffinated> geforce fx5900
[10:07] <juan> will ubuntu make mono 1.1.4 packages?? thanls
[10:07] <synd> bitar: yes, but you have to get the extra repositories first
[10:07] <flyingsquirrel54>  caffinated: do you have tv-out? does it work?
[10:07] <synd> bitar: as said in that link i gave you earlier
[10:07] <Seveas> juan, yes, but not for hoary
[10:07] <caffinated> flyingsquirrel54: i have tv-out, but i've never bothered to see if it works.  i have no use for it.
[10:08] <bitar> synd: and i get those extra from the net, yeah?
[10:08] <flyingsquirrel54> I was using my big screen tv as the main monitor for this comp on xp. the main purpose was to watch movies
[10:08] <caffinated> flyingsquirrel54: i'd only use it for movies, and I got a DVD player that does divx and xvid ;)
[10:08] <bitar> BUT my main problem is connection to the internet.. that's why i wanna try to log in using lynx :(
[10:09] <caffinated> so i don't really need the computer to do those things
[10:09] <Seveas> bitar, if you hav no connection, lynx wont help you...
[10:09] <synd> bitar: lol
[10:09] <flyingsquirrel54> but you used the nvidia-glx drivers from universe?
[10:09] <caffinated> no
[10:09] <caffinated> i used the drivers directly from nvidia
[10:09] <synd> bitar: can you not get ubuntu onto your network?
[10:09] <flyingsquirrel54> where'd you get it?
[10:09] <juliusk> flyingsquerrel54 you can try to find info in the forums. www.ubuntuforums.org .. there's a HOWTO in the hoary section on how to install the latest nvidia drivers
[10:09] <_spiral> hmmm... nobody can help me with hotplug on a recent laptop ?
[10:10] <randabis> it would have been cool if the latest nvidia drivers had made it into hoary :p
[10:10] <caffinated> i uninstalled all the drivers ubuntu used because they just didn't work
[10:10] <flyingsquirrel54> compiled?
[10:10] <caffinated> http://nvidia.com
[10:10] <bitar> Seveas: i just wanna open the main page using lynx... coz the browser should redirects me to the ISP page...
[10:10] <bitar> redirect*
[10:10] <synd> bitar: how are you connected right now?
[10:10] <bitar> XP
[10:11] <synd> bitar: i know, but ethernet.. wireless.. ?
[10:11] <bitar> ethernet
[10:11] <juliusk> HOWTO on nvidia drivers http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21111&highlight=nvidia+latest+drivers
[10:11] <synd> bitar: is ubuntu connecting to the net thru your ethernet too?
[10:11] <topyli> bitar: you never know where lynx will take you. its home page may be an empty page, or an ubuntu advertisement, or anything
[10:12] <bitar> synd: that's what i am trying to do...
[10:12] <_spiral> anyone can help me with a gigabit ethernet card ?
[10:12] <bitar> topyli: isn't there an address bar?
[10:12] <bitar> i'll type the address that redirects me to the login page..
[10:12] <synd> bitar: firefox not working for you?
[10:12] <bitar> synd: no :(
[10:12] <bitar> it works in XP though.. sooo weird :S
[10:12] <synd> bitar: do you have your network configurded?
[10:13] <bitar> synd: yeah
[10:13] <topyli> well, there's the "g" key. like: GO. you can put any address in there
[10:13] <Seveas> bitar, do you have a connection?
[10:13] <ubn> how can i find out my isp's dynamic address that i was assigned for this connection? what tools do i use?
[10:13] <Seveas> or no internetconnection at all?
[10:13] <Seveas> ubn: type ifconfig in a terminal
[10:13] <synd> bitar: it's configured in Ubuntu, right?
[10:13] <flyingsquirrel54> thanks a bunch I'll try it.
[10:13] <bitar> synd: yeah
[10:13] <synd> but firefox isnt working?
[10:14] <ubn> Seveas: can get the private ip address. im looking for the public one.
[10:14] <Seveas> ubn are you behind a router?
[10:14] <bitar> synd: yep... the login page comes and "OK" button is not doign anything...
[10:14] <juliusk> won't ifconfig show you the PPP ip?
[10:14] <ubn> Seveas: yes
[10:14] <Seveas> ah
[10:14] <synd> bitar: i dont get it.. what are you logging into?
[10:14] <juliusk> go to google, type "what is my ip" or something
[10:14] <Seveas> how do you usually find out the address?
[10:14] <juliusk> if you are using a router
[10:15] <fgx> installing from cd with acpi=off: no installable kernel was found in the defined apt sources. AARGHH
[10:15] <topyli> whatismyip.com
[10:15] <juliusk> be careful because some of those "what is my ip" will show your proxy IP if you are using any (you probably don't know that you are using one :P)..
[10:15] <bitar> synd: username and password... as soon as i open an internet page for the first time, i have to insert the info and that's it.. i'm connected... but the stupid "ok" button is not doing anything :S
[10:15] <synd> bitar: hmm
[10:16] <synd> bitar: so its not an always on connection? you have to login the first time, every time?
[10:16] <bitar> so it was suggested to use lynx to inster the username and password.. probably might work..
[10:16] <ubn> yep.. but how do I know that its mine and not the proxy
[10:16] <bitar> synd: i have to log in the first time i turn on my pc and open internet explorer.. and that's it..
[10:16] <bitar> only once...
[10:17] <juliusk> well I've gotta go
[10:17] <juliusk> see ya later people ;-)
[10:17] <synd> bitar: well if you have no connection, then getting lynx is gonna be a bit hard..
[10:17] <synd> maybe you could download it from XP, burn it to a disk.. and then load it in ubuntu
[10:17] <bitar> yeah.. i can put it in my USB also..
[10:17] <bitar> where can i get it ?
[10:17] <synd> bitar: either/or
[10:18] <bitar> synd: yeah..
[10:18] <Jammin{AFK}> how do i get mp3's to play, i installed the gstreamer 0.8 - mad package now what
[10:18] <Jamminpotato> ?
[10:18] <Xira> mp3s dont play?
[10:18] <Xira> o_O
[10:18] <synd> bitar: http://lynx.isc.org/release/
[10:18] <topyli> Jamminpotato: that should do it
[10:18] <bitar> so you think this method will work?
[10:19] <blessteve> hello
[10:19] <Xira> guys
[10:19] <Xira> I got a new GIllete M3 Nitro
[10:19] <synd> bitar: it should.. im just still confused how you have to log into your ISP every time you boot up.
[10:19] <Xira> it's the best razor I'veever owned
[10:19] <synd> Xira: good or no?
[10:19] <Xira> i highly suggest it to everyone
[10:19] <synd> Xira: is it the one you turn on?
[10:19] <Xira> closest shave ive ever had
[10:19] <Jamminpotato> topyli: but its not working, maybe because im runnign live, but maybe not
[10:19] <bitar> synd: yeah.. btw which format should i get?
[10:20] <Xira> synd, its a blade, but it has this viberator thing that makes your hairs stand up
[10:20] <bitar> all of them work?
[10:20] <Xira> so you get a closer shave
[10:20] <synd> Xira: ah, i saw the commercials for that.
[10:20] <blessteve> who cares about a shaver
[10:20] <topyli> Jamminpotato: i don't know how extra packages are installed when you run the live cd :(
[10:20] <blessteve> do you shave the pubies
[10:20] <synd> Xira: i hate razors tho : ( i like electric ones
[10:20] <synd> blessteve: :x
[10:20] <topyli> Jamminpotato: obviously not very well :)
[10:21] <jcotellese> Anyone know how to edit the default Gnome Menu? The Gnome control center seems to be missing, I can only run it from a console.
[10:21] <Xira> synd, if you practice, and learn not to own yourself with a blade, you learn to appreciate blades better
[10:21] <bitar> and do i install using  dpkg - i ...
[10:21] <blessteve> blades are sweet
[10:22] <bitar> synd: you there?
[10:22] <Jamminpotato> topyli, now instead of syaing its missing the blug in rhythm box jsut lcsoes when i try and play the files :(
[10:22] <synd> bitar: lynx2-8-5.tar.gz
[10:22] <blessteve> no he left
[10:22] <Xira> i think every regular blade user has at least 1 scar :)
[10:22] <blessteve> i have at least 1
[10:22] <synd> Xira: it huts :(
[10:23] <synd> hurs
[10:23] <synd> hurts
[10:23] <bitar> synd: and do i install using  dpkg - i ...
[10:23] <Xira> synd, what does?
[10:23] <blessteve> blood is good
[10:23] <Xira> getting sliced open?
[10:23] <Xira> so does falling off your bike, it takes practice :P
[10:23] <synd> Xira: blades
[10:23] <topyli> Jamminpotato: it's "Just Not Working" :)
[10:23] <synd> Xira: :p
[10:23] <synd> bitar: Im not sure, i believe so
[10:24] <topyli> Jamminpotato: install the real thing and be done with it =)
[10:24] <bitar> alright thx dude...
[10:24] <bitar> wish me luck.. i hope it works...
[10:24] <synd> bitar: np, good luc
[10:24] <synd> k
[10:24] <Xira> nivea makes the pain go away
[10:24] <synd> brb, restarting my gaim
[10:25] <andreas_> G` evening!
[10:26] <Jamminpotato> topyli ill install it evetually
[10:26] <andreas_> Anyone know of a good program for handling photos based on Gnome?
[10:26] <mz2> andreas_, f-spot
[10:27] <ob1kenobi> I have no sound input from microphone in hoary
[10:28] <holycow> okay i gotta say usplash is a fucking cool idea, the notes on the wiki are excellent
[10:28] <andreas_> nr2: Thanks
[10:28] <topyli> Jamminpotato: you can't resist it if you hang around here for a little while longer :D
[10:28] <libben> 
[10:30] <Jamminpotato> topyli the only reason im not compltelty linux atm, is that a. im used to windows b. i need my half life two/CS:S, and three i do a lot of sound eiditing for school and i cant get soundforge, acid pro and flstudio on nix
[10:30] <ob1kenobi> can anybody help me in debugging my "no sound from microphone"?
[10:30] <Jamminpotato> is it possible to install ubuntu without illing my current windows installation, topyli?
[10:31] <Flonne> Yes, Jamminpotato.
[10:31] <grogoreo> hi
[10:31] <Flonne> You just need to resize your Windows partition to make room for Ubuntu.
[10:31] <Flonne> The process is called "dual-booting", and it is discussed on the Wiki.
[10:31] <Jamminpotato> well iknow aobut dual booting
[10:32] <Jamminpotato> but can i resize my ntfs partition with out killing it
[10:32] <grogoreo> does anyone know how to speed up a DVD, as when I play one it has lots of drop frames. I've tried Xine, Ogle, VCL and none of them work (totem doesnt work for some reason)
[10:32] <Flonne> Yes, Jamminpotato.
[10:32] <Jamminpotato> ok ill wiki it
[10:32] <synd> grogoreo: youre using hoary right
[10:32] <Jamminpotato> i ahve to go now, so thanks for all the gelp
[10:32] <grogoreo> synd, yes
[10:33] <synd> grogoreo: i have the same problem, and its the DMA
[10:33] <matthewrevell> hello Ubuntu people!
[10:33] <Flonne> Some Free software exists to do it, as do several commercial tools. (Unfortunately, Microsoft does not provide any utilities with their operating systems)
[10:33] <grogoreo> synd, I read that you have to enable it or something
[10:33] <LinuxJones> matthewrevell, hi
[10:33] <synd> grogoreo: hoary turns the DMA off be default
[10:33] <synd> grogoreo: yes
[10:33] <grogoreo> synd, would you know how to turn it on?
[10:33] <synd> grogoreo: but ive yet figured out how to do that
[10:33] <topyli> Jammin[atWork] : you can always have windows and linux side by side on the same box, even on the same disk
[10:34] <grogoreo> synd, i read its in the modules or something (maybe i should have payed attention more!)
[10:34] <DemisM> what do you use to resize your harddrive?
[10:34] <synd> grogoreo: ya..
[10:34] <Xappe> grogoreo, synd: hdparm -d /dev/hdc or something similar
[10:35] <Xappe> search for dvd on the ubuntu forums and you'll find it
[10:35] <xuesheng> grogoreo: hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc
[10:35] <Xappe> ah, there you have it
[10:35] <grogoreo> thanks Xappe and xuesheng
[10:35] <synd> thanks Xappe, xuesheng
[10:35] <Keizer> Anyone fixed the esd problem in Ubuntu yet?
[10:35] <Xappe> but I don't know how to make that permanent
[10:36] <grogoreo> hmmm, theres an error:  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted           using_dma    =  0 (off)
[10:36] <Xappe> Keizer: what esd problem?
[10:36] <xuesheng> grogoreo: you should be root
[10:36] <grogoreo> synd, did you get any erros
[10:36] <xuesheng> grogoreo: ie sudo
[10:36] <grogoreo> xuesheng, i did sudo
[10:36] <Xappe> grogoreo: put a sudo in front of the command and give your password
[10:36] <Xappe> ok
[10:37] <synd> grogoreo: i didnt..
[10:37] <synd> im gonna reboot that computer
[10:37] <grogoreo> YAY! I THINK ITS WORKED!
[10:37] <grogoreo> its way faster now!
[10:37] <grogoreo> thanks guys!
[10:37] <Keizer> Xappe, I have to kill -15 esdpid before I can listen to music.
[10:38] <Xappe> Keizer: and you've set the sound output of the media player to esd?
[10:38] <bbb_> lo.
[10:38] <Keizer> Xappe, No
[10:38] <Xappe> Keizer: try that :)
[10:39] <fgx> what is the VGA= parameter to set for a 1280x800 resolution?
[10:39] <Keizer> OSS
[10:39] <dieman> hey
[10:39] <Flonne> fgx, if you ever figure that out, please tell me.
[10:39] <Xappe> Keizer: what program are you using?
[10:39] <dieman> does nvidia work, or does nvidia not work?
[10:39] <dieman> i've got 2 machines where nvidia + xorg + glx module crashes
[10:39] <confrey> hi everybody
[10:39] <dieman> like, X segfaults on start.
[10:39] <Flonne> Hi, confrey.
[10:40] <roo_> hi confrey
[10:40] <synd> is there any way to share the internet connection with ubuntu?
[10:40] <roo_> synd, whats ur setup at the moment?
[10:40] <synd> like I have it wirelessly connected but it's also got a internal NIC.. so I can connect it to another box
[10:41] <roo_> synd, thats possible with linux, yes..
[10:41] <Keizer> Xappe, Beep-Media-Player
[10:41] <synd> roo_: how might i go by getting that enabled?
[10:41] <catch-> Hi, Just made a major mess up. I did a usermod -G newGroup myUser, and myUser is the only user which can sudo, so now i can't sudo, how can i get around this? Can i start up in a differnt init level (single user) and change it?
[10:41] <Keizer> Same problem with XMMS and the other one.
[10:41] <roo_> synd, look up ip masquerading and running a dns daemon.
[10:42] <synd> google it?
[10:42] <roo_> synd, yeah mate, see what it comes up with. let me know any questions once u have a few links/background knowledge.
[10:42] <roo_> synd, im googling too let u kno what i find.
[10:43] <mrproper> I've seen a lot of X rebuilds lately in synaptic.  Does anyone know why there's been so many?
[10:43] <Flonne> Probably because the devs want to have everything ready for the actual release.
[10:43] <mrproper> Is there a date planned for the release?
[10:43] <Xappe> Keizer: set the output to eSound output plugin
[10:43] <Flonne> April 8th.
[10:44] <Keizer> I like OSS
[10:44] <mrproper> Flonne, How long after the release does it take to get a new dev branch setup?
[10:44] <z993126> Where does Ubuntu keep its font files?
[10:44] <Keizer> esd can bite me
[10:44] <Keizer> I kill it without thinking twice
[10:44] <Keizer> It dies
[10:44] <roo_> synd, http://www.talug.org/howto/ipmasq/IP-Masquerade-2.html
[10:44] <Keizer> And I can MP3
[10:44] <Flonne> Releases are scheduled to occur every six months.
[10:44] <Keizer> And i'm happy
[10:44] <Xappe> Keizer: well, then I guess you have to live with kiling esd or have it disabled
[10:44] <roo_> synd, bit out of date but a nice background./
[10:44] <Keizer> So I can listen to my game beats
[10:44] <mrproper> Flonne, But to get a new dev branch open after Horay goes stable, does it take a week or is it pretty much that day?
[10:44] <catch-> anyone know how to get ubuntu into single user mode?
[10:45] <roo_> synd, idea is u need to enable ip masquerading and a few other features in your host computer's kernel and run a dns daemon on your host computer.
[10:45] <LinuxJones> z993126, usually in one of the directories in >> /usr/share/fonts/
[10:45] <z993126> thx
[10:46] <Flonne> mrproper, I can't say for certain.
[10:46] <synd> roo_: i see.
[10:46] <z993126> kinda weird that mplayer doesn't come with the default files it needs to run without complaining in the right places
[10:46] <roo_> synd, thats only one way of doing it (the way i did it a while back)
[10:46] <confrey> why doesn't CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor 2.10.0 work yet? I have updated ubuntu this afternoon, and I have this problem
[10:46] <bbb_> I am having some problems install ubuntu / debian. I have a Athon64 board, a abit KV8 pro, with *crappy* software raid-0 setup(via chipset with via-raid).  I assuming that I have to use something like dmraid, but haven't been able to find any info on installation using this setup, any ideas ?
[10:46] <synd> roo_: gosh, its just so easy in OSX.. all i gotta do is say where the connection is coming from (airport card) and where its going out of (internal NIC)
[10:46] <roo_> synd, this link (even tho its gentoo) has another way of doing it: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-25478-highlight-masquerading+dns.html
[10:47] <roo_> synd, yeah im sure :( but u'll learn tonnes doing it in linux :)
[10:47] <synd> roo_: : ok ill check ithat out
[10:47] <z993126> eh,..how do I view font files?
[10:47] <synd> roo_: plus its soo much more satisfying!
[10:47] <confrey> bbb_, why do you use raid0?
[10:48] <libben> how do i update my gfx drivers?
[10:48] <catch-> exit
[10:48] <libben> i have 60 hz on my resolution now. and it hurts my eyes
[10:48] <roo_> synd, thats the spirit!
[10:48] <roo_> synd, ok ive found a *diamond* link! http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/home-router-howto.xml
[10:49] <roo_> synd, i know its gentoo but the configuration will be the same with all linuxen.
[10:49] <bitar> synd: installation didnt' work.. it said : it's not a debian format archieve :S:S
[10:49] <bbb_> confrey, I brought 2 hard drives, set them as  raid0  - seemed the right thing to do at the time :-( I've since installed windows x64 beta and have quite a bit of data on the raid that I don't really want to have to move :(
[10:49] <bmoi> hi all. i've just been trying to get suspend/hibernate working on my laptop but neither of them do. is there anyone i should report to?
[10:49] <fr500> has anyone used nagios that come in ubuntu repos?
[10:49] <roo_> synd, substitue "emerge" for "apt-get install" really.
[10:50] <grogoreo> hi sorry im back. I dont know why there was a burst in speed in watching the DVD but there still is a problem. But when trying to enable DMA on some other devices, mainly my hard drives just to see what would happen, it also says not permited. I've looked around on google and it says something about compiling the kernel with VIA support.
[10:50] <synd> roo_: oh, thanks a bunch for your intuition !
[10:50] <roo_> synd, no problem. let me know how u get on :)
[10:51] <libben> Anyone can point me to a howto or something? for a nvidia drivers update
[10:52] <synd> bitar: i figured.. since it's not a .deb file..
[10:52] <LinuxJones> z993126, you can view fonts using xfontsel or the gnome tools
[10:52] <JDigital> libben: nvidia's official site is good for that
[10:52] <z993126> GAH!  mplayer's gui doesn't support unicode o.o
[10:52] <JDigital> :(
[10:52] <bitar> synd: is there one for Ubuntu?
[10:52] <will> UnIcode mmm
[10:52] <Lefungus> what IDE is good for c++ and gnome ?
[10:53] <Xappe> synd, I would go for (actually i already did) shorewall and running a NAT/firewall...but that's me :)
[10:53] <roo_> Lefungus, eclipse?
[10:53] <Lefungus> eclipse is bad for c++
[10:53] <libben> JDigital, well, im pretty new to linux... installed debian before... but had major pain in the ass moments and got alots of help to get X running .... is it the same with ubuntu ? or just download the file and install it with the sh nvidiafile ?
[10:53] <roo_> Lefungus, tried http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/ ?
[10:53] <synd> Xappe: : p
[10:54] <z993126> guh
[10:54] <Lefungus> yes
[10:54] <Jimbob> libben: Ubuntu ships with the nvidia drivers .
[10:54] <z993126> I just crashed mplayer
[10:54] <z993126> -_-
[10:54] <holycow> libben, you had problems getting x to run on debian? thats hard to believe
[10:54] <roo_> Xappe, synd, shorewall/iptables and NAT is also a good solution :)
[10:54] <holycow> just out of curiosity, what were your issues?
[10:54] <DemisM> is anyone dual booting and has resized there hd?
[10:54] <z993126> yes
[10:55] <holycow> DemisM, i'm about to resize my hd with qt parted
[10:55] <DemisM> z993126, what program did you use to resize?
[10:55] <libben> holycow, my issues? well.... no precompiled kernel found... it was saying alot of shit text like that
[10:55] <Xappe> roo_: yes, I know, that's why i'm running shorewall...to get my ibook (also running Hoary) out on the net...
[10:55] <z993126> I think I just used fdisk
[10:55] <libben> then i got help with getting new kernel..
[10:55] <DemisM> so you erased your windows partition or you had a seperate hd
[10:55] <topyli> Jimbob: ubuntu does _not_ ship with proprietary drivers. you do have a possibility to get them easily though :)
[10:55] <libben> and bla bla... and finally it worked... i dident know what the pros was doing
[10:56] <synd> Xappe: you have hoary on your iBook?
[10:56] <Xappe> synd, yes
[10:56] <holycow> libben, you fucked something up
[10:56] <z993126> I had to completely rebuild the drive from the previous build because windows had put system files in the middle of nowhere that wouldn't defragment to somewhere else
[10:56] <Telep> is there any notification tool/applet that would take advantage of the dbus message generated by Evolution?
[10:56] <Xappe> synd, and on my regular pc
[10:56] <libben> u think so? how could it be fucked up.,.. =) it was like clean install... and then downloading the file... then it was saying alot of shit about no precompiled kernel found
[10:57] <Xappe> can't stand osx and windows anymore
[10:57] <libben> this was on 2.4 kernel... and old debian.
[10:57] <synd> Xappe: i too have an iBook : ) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/pmartin245/DSCN0554.jpg
[10:57] <holycow> oh thats why
[10:57] <holycow> you should of downloaded d-i and installed sarge
[10:57] <libben> it was sarge
[10:57] <universal> why does amsn only work for me in root?
[10:57] <libben> with 2.4
[10:57] <holycow> how did you end up with a 2.4 kernel?
[10:57] <holycow> 2.6 installs by default
[10:57] <Xappe> synd, nice :)
[10:58] <synd> Xappe: thats only half http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/pmartin245/DSCN0553.jpg :X
[10:58] <lunitik> holycow: not for sarge... you have to boot with 'linux26'...
[10:58] <randabis> holycow, he said old debian
[10:58] <z993126> I guess I don't reall need video working in linux, I can just use XP on this machine...since I'll only really be using half a dozen apps...
[10:58] <holycow> oh, thats what i do by default, heh
[10:58] <libben> holycow, think it was beta phase then thou... it was 2.4 and i could get 2.6 if i typed it a prompt...
[10:58] <holycow> okay right
[10:58] <mhz> hi you all!
[10:58] <libben> i did like 8 2.4 installs and 3 2.6 =)
[10:58] <z993126> but for my server I'd like the stability of linux
[10:58] <libben> then i cryed for help =)
[10:58] <bmoi> hi all. i've just been trying to get suspend/hibernate working on my laptop but neither of them do. is there anyone i should report to?
[10:58] <universal> can sombody tell me why amsn only works for me in root?
[10:58] <holycow> libben, oh okay that makes sense, i keep on forgetting i do linux26 by default anyway
[10:59] <z993126> SO...I need to get this usb2 drive working at high speed
[10:59] <randabis> for my desktop I like the stability of linux
[10:59] <topyli> hi mhz! we missed you!
[10:59] <synd> Xappe: how does your iBook handle hoary? more importantly.. what are your ibook specs?
[10:59] <holycow> randabis, lunitik *nods* :)
[10:59] <libben> anyway... the nvidia drivers was like something on 51.xx something..
[10:59] <libben> now its 71.xx something
[10:59] <libben> so how do i update my nvidia drivers easy for ubuntu?
[10:59] <randabis> Yeah, I wish the 71.xx drivers had made it into hoary
[10:59] <randabis> 66.26 is in hoary
[11:00] <Xappe> synd, can't get suspend to ram workable and it gets quite hot I think. G3 700, 256 mb RAM
[11:00] <bmoi> anybody know who to speak to about laptop hibernate?
[11:00] <Xappe> synd, but I can live without suspend
[11:00] <universal> randabis, hi, u know why amsn only works for me in root?
[11:00] <Unipal> What is the default root password of Hoary?
[11:00] <topyli> libben: you're going to have to go to nvidia pages to fetch them if you want the latest
[11:01] <mhz> topyli: thx
[11:01] <topyli> libben: while you're at it, tell them how much you appreciate their work for the free software community
[11:01] <randabis> universal, I've never used amsn
[11:01] <Marble2> Can someone help me? I keep getting "/sbin/init 248: cannot open dev/console" when I boot up to Ubuntu. I just installed a new hard drive and had to change the drives around, someone said that could cause this? Does anyone know how to fix it?
[11:01] <synd> Xappe: i see.. I ran the hoary live cd, and the fan was blowing the entire time.. plus it did a weird screen thing where the images were mirrored on top of each other and i could only see the right 1/4 of the desktop. the rest was black
[11:01] <randabis> Unipal, there isn't one..use sudo
[11:01] <universal> randabis, what do u then use instead of it?
[11:01] <bmoi> universal, maybe a problem with permissions on your users ~/.amsn directory?
[11:01] <libben> topyli,  well yeah =) but how do i update it easy ? =) read something about modprobe or something.. im totally new to this =) except i know around installing debian and playing with the files and doing alot MAN and everything except getting X =)
[11:01] <synd> Xappe: I have a G4 1Ghz 1.25GB
[11:01] <mhz> guys, the WEIRDEST thing happened to my hoary update...
[11:02] <DXT> I put a line in fstab to mount my D drive inside /media/Data and it appeared at Computer but after restart it's gone, but still mounted. How can I make the drive icon stay at Computer?
[11:02] <topyli> libben: i always buy matrox cards, i cannot answer questions such as yours :)
[11:02] <randabis> Unipal, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:02] <Xappe> synd, the fan only gets activated on mine when the temperature goes over 50 C I think. the hdd lies around 47 C all the time
[11:02] <randabis> universal, kopete
[11:02] <universal> bmoi, umn, could be, but how to make it up?
[11:02] <topyli> libben: at work, they gave me a box with an ati card, and it's pure hell
[11:02] <mhz> I had a happily working hoary using XFree and yesterday night I decided to use X.org via APT.. I know it is nothing to do with it, BUT I NOW do not have a /dev/hdc nor CUPS working
[11:03] <bmoi> universal, chown username ~/.amsn -R
[11:03] <Unipal> to enter the root terminal, I need the root password....:-/
[11:03] <DXT> There is a hovering small box, about 2x2px size on the left buttom part of the desktop, and it is always visible, what the..?
[11:03] <libben> hmm... i just wanna change my refresh rate to more then 60... it hurts my eyes.... but u guys says that ubuntu horay has 6x.xx version ?
[11:03] <universal> randabis, ok, so u can actually have yout budys from the messenger in the Kopete=
[11:03] <universal> ?
[11:03] <holycow> *scroll* *scroll* you guys compile and package up nvidia drivers?
[11:03] <libben> what was the file called to change the res?
[11:03] <synd> Xappe: i see, mines gotten up to 60C before turning the fan on/
[11:03] <libben> i mean refresh rate
[11:03] <randabis> universal, correct
[11:03] <libben> . etc/cantrememberfilename
[11:04] <randabis> kopete supports multiple protocols like GAIM does
[11:04] <bbb_> confrey, its starting to look like I going to have to move all my data off and un-raid the drives :-(, most anoying thing about that is that my PC has no floppy, so when I reinstall windows for playing the odd game that I can't play from linux, I have to move the PC + attach a floppy :)
[11:04] <randabis> it's just a QT app, more suited for the KDE environment I run
[11:04] <universal> bmoi, ok, what does chown mean?
[11:04] <topyli> libben: i bet you can get a decent refresh rate with the drivers that you can get from hoary restricted-area
[11:04] <randabis> change owner
[11:04] <bmoi> universal, change owner
[11:04] <universal> bmoi, ahhh, ok
[11:04] <Xappe> synd, I don't really know how it was behaving under osx since I got rid of it right away when I got my hands on the ibook
[11:05] <Unipal> to enter the root terminal, I need the root password....:-/, sudo doesn't work, so what is the root password?
[11:05] <randabis> Unipal, sudo doesn't work? in what way?
[11:05] <mhz> excuse me guys... any one understand or suffered soemthing similar?  I had a happily working hoary using XFree and yesterday night I decided to use X.org via APT.. I know it is nothing to do with it, BUT I NOW do not have a /dev/hdc nor CUPS working
[11:05] <randabis> Unipal, you typed your user password right?
[11:05] <randabis> Unipal, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:06] <randabis> there is no root password
[11:06] <synd> Xappe: really? OSX is by far my fav :x
[11:06] <Unipal> randabis: how can I change networksettings? I need to do that in the root terminal
[11:06] <randabis> the root password is disabled by default
[11:06] <synd> Xappe: does yours have an airport card?
[11:06] <Unipal> can it be enabled?
[11:06] <Xappe> synd, no
[11:06] <randabis> Unipal, open a terminal, type sudo -s, enter your user password
[11:06] <randabis> voila, root
[11:06] <universal> bmoi, username = my username?
[11:07] <synd> Xappe: i have a friend that has ubuntu on his simiar ibook and cant get it to recognize his airport card
[11:07] <Xappe> synd, this one had osx 10.1.4 and that was a pain in the a**
[11:07] <chimaera> hi.
[11:07] <kbrooks> and what does -H do?
[11:07] <bmoi> universal, yeah
[11:07] <JDigital> Any palm users?
[11:07] <bmoi> universal, the user you're having trouble running it with
[11:07] <synd> Xappe: Oh man.. thats back to even before Jaguar. They're about to release 10.4 Tiger in april
[11:07] <Unipal> randabis: thanks pal! it works.
[11:07] <universal> bmoi, ok
[11:08] <chimaera> i want to install gnome 2.10 but somehow i seem to be missing something in my sources.list entry. e.g. gnome-panel v 2.10 doesn't show up while gnome-oanel-dbg v 2.10 does..
[11:08] <libben> how do i check what version of nvidia drivers i have?
[11:08] <libben> if it now is nvidia
[11:08] <randabis> Unipal, no problem
[11:08] <z993126> How do you get high-speed usb comm working on a usb hard drive?
[11:08] <Xappe> synd, yep...and the ibook is actually leased by my fathers company so it would be a bad idea to use a pirated osx
[11:08] <synd> Xappe: im in love with 10.3.8 panther.. it's just great..
[11:08] <randabis> z993126, it should "just work"
[11:09] <synd> Xappe: ah.. that would be a bad idea
[11:09] <z993126> how do you tell if it is?
[11:09] <randabis> echi (usb 2.0) support is in the ubuntu kernel
[11:09] <chimaera> libben: dpkg -l | grep nvidia ?
[11:09] <z993126> I tried transferring some files, but it seemed unusually slow, and I don't have a way of monitoring exact disk IO rate
[11:09] <Xappe> synd, and I'm familiar with hoary since i've used it for five months now
[11:10] <randabis> chimaera, post your sources.list file at pastebin.com or in #flood
[11:10] <universal> bmoi, hmm, it still doesent work
[11:10] <libben> chimaera, thxs... im n00b... just wanted to say that 0)
[11:10] <bmoi> universal, is there any output on the terminal?
[11:10] <universal> bmoi, output?
[11:10] <chimaera> libben: we've been all.. ;)
[11:10] <chimaera> randabis: it'S only one line: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[11:11] <bmoi> universal, yeah. run it from a terminal and see if it gives you any output
[11:11] <libben> yeah... i just took the step.... reformated my drives... gave winxp 15 gb.... and linux 26 gb... so now im of to get converted.... keeping xp in case i want to do something that i cant manage with linux while im noob
[11:11] <randabis> chimaera, you should separate the lines...take a look at mine
[11:12] <universal> bmoi, ahh ok, yeah
[11:12] <Lefungus> huh, "man malloc" gives no results :(
[11:12] <chimaera> randabis: 1st off, i'm actuall using debian, i just want to install gnome v2.10 ;)
[11:12] <chimaera> randabis: posted it to #flood?
[11:12] <synd> Xappe: I'm on my 4th day and im lovin it. i just revived an old P3 600mhz laptop with a DVD player that I thought I was gonn have to throw out. plus i got it running on my main PC in the house. contemplating whether or not to dual boot my iBook with it as well..
[11:12] <universal> bmoi, hmm, nothing seems to happen
[11:13] <Lefungus> what is the package name for all the C programming man pages ?
[11:13] <synd> Xappe: but i feel bad cause ive completely neglected all my macs in my house cause im obsessed with ubuntu right now
[11:13] <libben> nvidia-kernel- 1.0.6629+1
[11:13] <libben> well... i know that is good enough for my gfx...
[11:13] <DXT> Help, my ubuntu was abducted by a UFO: http://img32.exs.cx/img32/1516/wierdbox8kw.png
[11:13] <chimaera> libben: give it time, eventually you'll never boot winxp again ;)
[11:13] <bmoi> universal, try reinstalling it through synaptic. if it still doesn't work, remove the .amsn directory (rm -rf ~/.amsn) and retry. failing that, i've got no idea
[11:13] <libben> i have geforce 4800... so i dont need the newest.
[11:13] <libben> now i need to change the rates
[11:13] <libben> so i can get higher then 60
[11:13] <universal> bmoi, ok cool bmoi
[11:13] <libben> how ? =)
[11:14] <Xappe> synd, mhm, this distro is too fun :)
[11:14] <randabis> chimaera, you shouldn't mix ubuntu stuff and debian, that's probably where your problem lies
[11:14] <DXT> Anyone with an idea what's that wierd box thing? oO
[11:14] <holycow> libben, what chimaera said is true, give it some time, don't forget most people have 15 years of training on windows you cant replace that in a day, but you can in a few months for the most part
[11:14] <chimaera> libben: afaik this i sdone by setting the correct modelines, for i have tft'S for some yeasr now, i don't have ac lue how this is done nowadays..
[11:14] <DXT> It is hovering there, staring at me.
[11:15] <DXT> I'm scared.
[11:15] <chimaera> randabis: i've been running xorg for ages that way. i'm using debian for over three yeasr now, i guess i know what i'm doing.. except for the correct ubuntu entries for my sources.list.. ;)
[11:15] <DXT> How can I see the running proccesses in the system?
[11:15] <Xappe> synd, and it runs great on my xp 2500+, 512 ram, 420 GB :)
[11:15] <z993126> is there an application that lists *current* i/o rates for one or more disks?
[11:15] <Marble2> How do I view all my hard drives and optical drives and see where the relative file in /dev is?
[11:15] <mjr> DXT, gnome system monitor, in applications menu
[11:16] <DXT> system monitor, gotcha
[11:16] <randabis> chimaera, that's fine, it's your system to break :p
[11:16] <DXT> :)
[11:16] <DXT> now let's search for anything suspicous..
[11:16] <libben> i have 11 years of windows =) windows 1.0, 1.01, 3.0, 3,11 and all the way up to current =)
[11:16] <libben> I have messed some with linux before.. but never taken the step
[11:16] <chimaera> randabis: i've done quite a bunch of such eyperiments, te only time i really had to reinstall was when i deleted /etc instead of the outdated backup ;)
[11:16] <universal> bmoi, so.. u have gdesklets?
[11:17] <e_machinist> Is there a command to put in the wvdial.conf file in order to mute the modem?
[11:17] <bmoi> universal, no, i don't like them. too hackish
[11:17] <holycow> does anyone know if there is discussion/project on getting x to autoconfigure for the monitor plugged into the system?  i know that perhaps one can use a yast like dialog that lets the user choose either the model/make or generic settings, just wondering if there is anything active going on this topic
[11:17] <universal> bmoi, ohh, it worked pal!
[11:17] <randabis> chimaera, well, at any rate, I did post what my sources.list looks like in #flood
[11:17] <dieman> this whole nvidia driver nonsense si pissing me off
[11:17] <universal> bmoi, thx
[11:17] <dieman> its going to break warty installs for me :|
[11:17] <bmoi> universal, no worries
[11:17] <dieman> s/installs/upgrades/
[11:17] <Xappe> holycow, mine is autoconfiguring the monitor :)
[11:17] <synd> Xappe: .42TB, nice!
[11:17] <Marble2> How do I view all my hard drives and optical drives and see where the relative file in /dev is?
[11:17] <chimaera> randabis: thanks, but it seems i already have all branches..
[11:18] <universal> bmoi, ohh i see
[11:18] <Xappe> synd: yep, got a 300 GB drive a couple of weeks ago
[11:18] <holycow> Xappe, how? can you take your hd to any machine, plug it in and it will adjust the refresh rates and available resos for the model/make? or are you just saying you have some basic generic settings with resolution no greater than 1024x768?
[11:18] <synd> well, im gonna go on a run
[11:19] <synd> see you guys later.
[11:19] <chromate> fresh install of ubuntu, i nmap'd myself to see what was running, i have something running on port 32774 called sometimes-rpc11. .. any ideas?
[11:19] <universal> bmoi, can u tell me if its necessary to have some of the Python 2.3 installed if i have the 2.4 version installed?
[11:19] <universal> bmoi, some packages
[11:19] <Xappe> holycow, no. i'm saying i don't have to add the refresh rates of the monitor, since i'm using DDCMode that fetches that automatically
[11:20] <bmoi> universal, nah 2.4 should be compatible with anything 2.3 needs
[11:20] <universal> bmoi, ahh ok cool. its just because i saw that there were some 2.3 packages installed, and some others were from 2.4
[11:20] <Roben> you know of anyway to make xcfe look good?
[11:21] <e_machinist> Anyone know a command to mute the modem under wvdial?
[11:21] <libben> isnt it xorg.conf where u make changes...
[11:21] <Xappe> Roben, themes?
[11:21] <bmoi> universal, shouldn't matter. when the 2.4 packages come along, they'll upgrade the 2.3 ones.
[11:21] <libben> gonna find my monitor and chek its status out
[11:21] <universal> bmoi, then i just removed all the 2.3 pacages
[11:21] <chromate> is there any way to see what process is listening on what internet port?
[11:21] <Roben> Xappe: yeah, sure. I want it all =)
[11:21] <holycow> Xappe, really? what is ddcmode? i've not heard of this, sounds like the solution :)
[11:21] <z993126> how do I check the io rate of a hard drive?
[11:22] <kain> z993126, man hdparm
[11:22] <chimaera> randabis: i tried to split it, but still no gnome-panel v. 2.10 strange
[11:22] <Xappe> holycow, I added option "DDCMode" "on" to my xorg.conf, and voila
[11:23] <InitMass> anyone who has sold back their windows license?
[11:23] <chimaera> randabis: ok, seems to be a synaptic bug. apt-cache policy shows it.
[11:23] <holycow> oh! where does it find the info for the monis? config file of some sort i presume?
[11:23] <randabis> chimaera, heh
[11:23] <universal> bmoi, ok, but i did remoce the python 2.3 package and then there were many other 2,3 dep which automatically were remoced to
[11:24] <e_machinist> z993126, just use sudo hdparm /media/harddrivename
[11:24] <e_machinist> Will tell you what transfer mode it is using etc.
[11:24] <bmoi> universal, as long as you never removed anything you've been using regularly, you won't notice the difference. if you do, just reinstall the 2.3 modules
[11:24] <Xappe> holycow, from the monitor I think, if it supports it (but i'm not sure). the option should be added under the "device" section (i have an ATI card if that matters)
[11:24] <universal> bmoi, and then i just installed the python 2.4 with dep
[11:25] <holycow> Xappe, good enough, i'll google the rest of the info, my thanks!
[11:25] <universal> bmoi, exactly
[11:25] <holycow> i had no idea about that
[11:25] <chimaera> randabis: well, my fault. didn't change the default repo in synaptic. but th esuggeste dupgrade indeed looks, errr, interesting ;)
[11:25] <universal> bmoi, do u have Cedega?
[11:26] <bmoi> universal, nope. i haven't used windows/win software in ages :)
[11:26] <bmoi> don't play games at all
[11:26] <randabis> chimaera, lol
[11:26] <Xappe> Roben: I think there are some gtk2 themes for XFce
[11:26] <holycow> bmoi, me too
[11:26] <misGno> is anyone familiar with Checkinstall? Just trying to get it ./configure zsplit (device-image.de) but something's off in config.log
[11:26] <zerovertex> anyone play plainshift? I'm having trouble getting it running in Ubuntu.
[11:26] <universal> bmoi, cool. what do u then do with linux for now?
[11:27] <bmoi> holycow, universal, both of my machines run ubuntu
[11:27] <holycow> bmoi, i run debian exclusively, but i'm going to try out ubuntu now that i hosed my sarge install
[11:27] <bmoi> universal, learning python at the moment. basically just do email, web browsing, chat etc
[11:27] <Roben> Xappe: Thanks!
[11:27] <holycow> i do graphic design, and run it for us off of this debian workstation
[11:27] <DemisM> universal, I've come to realized videogames are a waste of time... you get so much more done without them
[11:27] <holycow> note: gimp is amazing
[11:28] <z993126> It thinks it's a SCSI disk, even though it's an EIDE disk with a USB2 interface...
[11:28] <bmoi> gimp is good. i just wish i could learn how to use the newsprint filter properly :S
[11:28] <holycow> DemisM, well writing software, and working on linux in general i find a much more interesting 'game' than anything i've ever seen
[11:28] <universal> DemisM, yeah I'm nealy realizing it to
[11:28] <holycow> it keeps me infinately entertained
[11:28] <black_nightmare> hey there
[11:29] <DemisM> well, I'm a math/cs major so I find lots to do with linux
[11:29] <Arnia> holycow: Have you seen the changes in Inkscape this week?
[11:29] <LeeColleton> I'm trying to run muine with 2.6.10-5-686 on hoary and I get this message "Failed to export D-Bus object: Unable to determine the address of the message bus"
[11:29] <bmoi> LeeColleton, you need the dbus-cil package
[11:30] <holycow> Arnia, no, i just hosed my farking sarge install ... lol i guess i will after i get ubuntu up and running :)
[11:30] <bmoi> er, libdbus-cil rather
[11:30] <LeeColleton> bmoi: isn't that a dependency issue that should be solved by dpkg?
[11:30] <universal> DemisM, so, do u have gdesklets on your mashine?
[11:30] <black_nightmare> just wondering for one question...
[11:30] <black_nightmare> what would you have to do to request a program be added to the repositories?
[11:30] <bmoi> LeeColleton, should be. so you installed muine through apt?
[11:30] <LeeColleton> bmoi: I have the newest version installed, anyway
[11:30] <holycow> Arnia, anything noteworthy perhaps?
[11:30] <bmoi> LeeColleton, maybe restart the dbus service?
[11:31] <Arnia> holycow: The tile clones can trace an underlying graphic
[11:31] <DemisM> gdesklets?
[11:31] <misGno> Has anyone gotten checkinstall working without problems?
[11:31] <holycow> really?
[11:31] <holycow> *ooo*
[11:31] <LeeColleton> bmoi: yeah, it's in multiverse
[11:31] <universal> bmoi, by the way, as im using xine it cant figure out my DVD drive "MRL" how to ln to my drive?
[11:31] <KingArthur-TDoD> ok.  Question for someone if they have an answer.  First off, I'm 100% new to Linux.  I've got Ubuntu.  Sound won't work, first off.  Second off, I use netzero, and have to use their software to connect (won
[11:31] <cusco> hi
[11:31] <KingArthur-TDoD> but the software for netzero is only for lindows, and I can
[11:31] <LeeColleton> KingArthur-TDoD: try checking if the volume is muted
[11:31] <cusco> how do I burn an audio disc from mp3 or ogg files?
[11:31] <KingArthur-TDoD> t get it to work in ubuntu
[11:31] <Arnia> holycow: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=6908988&forum_id=36054
[11:31] <bmoi> universal, there should be a button for dvd on the gui. have you added the marillat repository and installed libdvdcss?
[11:31] <LeeColleton> cusco: mp3burn will do it
[11:31] <Arnia> Screenshots and descriptions
[11:32] <miweit00> hi
[11:32] <black_nightmare> if you're using an isp that can't be connected the natural way -- I think its best to try switch as soon as possible (a properity dialup doesn't sound right to me.....its just me maybe thou)
[11:32] <universal> bmoi, no... u know were i can get the repositories?
[11:32] <z993126> how do I get this usb drive to be seen as ...however usb devices ought to be referenced instead of /dev/sda1?
[11:32] <KingArthur-TDoD> tried to open volume control panel and get this error "Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found"
[11:32] <LeeColleton> cusco: though with mp3burn you have to specify a different decoder for ogg files, I think
[11:32] <Xappe> cusco, gnomebaker or graveman supports mp3 --> audio cd
[11:33] <Xappe> *and
[11:33] <bmoi> www.ubuntuguide.org will tell you how to add dvd support. the best player to get(in my opinion) is totem-xine.
[11:33] <miweit00> does anyone know how to specify that the wep-key contains chars and numbers?
[11:33] <libben> http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/dta/99047/00000002.htm is it just change the vert and hor values to the ones i have on my monitor and reboot linux?
[11:33] <bmoi> universal, on ubuntuguide.org look up how to add the marillat repo, w32codecs, and dvd support. ubuntu doesn't come with them by default
[11:33] <libben> i just change it in xorg.conf
[11:33] <libben> whats the root pass btw?
[11:33] <universal> bmoi, i know how to do but... yeahh one moment
[11:34] <libben> cause i cant change to root now?
[11:34] <Arnia> holycow: Its an amazing set of new features :)
[11:34] <KingArthur-TDoD> LeeColleton: tried to open volume control panel and get this error "Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found" any clue how to fix that?
[11:34] <timelord726> sorry
[11:34] <timelord726> amaranth?
[11:35] <Amaranth> timelord726: ?
[11:35] <timelord726> i'm sorry about that
[11:35] <timelord726> i had a question about your menu editor
[11:35] <Amaranth> ask away
[11:35] <resiak> libben: Use sudo on Ubuntu, not su
[11:36] <libben> ?
[11:36] <timelord726> first of all, thanks for such a wonderful yet simple piece of software
[11:36] <resiak> libben: sudo command-you-want, or sudo -s for a shell. The password it requests is _your_ password. man sudo
[11:36] <LeeColleton> KingArthur-TDoD: what kind of sound card do you have?
[11:36] <libben> ok... thxs
[11:36] <timelord726> i have a blank entry though at the top of my games menu, is there any way of clearing this?
[11:36] <universal> bmoi, i added the Marrillas, but as i say apt-get update...it says Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[11:37] <libben> there is no password for root ?
[11:37] <KingArthur-TDoD> it's just an integrated one on my Dell Inspiron 8600 laptop
[11:37] <Amaranth> timelord726: Remove -user.desktop from ~/.local/share/applications
[11:37] <kbrooks> universal, ADD SUDO
[11:37] <libben> so i cant type root at login prompt and go on?
[11:37] <KingArthur-TDoD> I think
[11:37] <bmoi> universal, you need to do sudo apt-get update
[11:37] <kbrooks> sudo ...
[11:37] <DemisM> libben, no, you use your username and use the sudo command
[11:37] <Amaranth> libben: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:37] <universal> ahhh, opps
[11:37] <bmoi> universal, "sudo" means "superuser do" this command.
[11:38] <z993126> geh.  should I just try Mandrake until I know what the heck I'm doing with linux?
[11:38] <libben> there should be a shell that has -s in menu for default =) very ennoying when u dont know about this =) until u guys explain it =)
[11:38] <DemisM> z993126, no
[11:38] <kbrooks> z993126, yes.
[11:38] <LeeColleton> bmoi: dbus-1 restarts fine, muine still crashes
[11:38] <kbrooks> DemisM, he should
[11:38] <Amaranth> libben: Root terminal in Applications->System Tools
[11:38] <DemisM> kbrooks, how is mandrake easier than ubuntu?
[11:38] <LeeColleton> bmoi: I'm willing to compile it from source if that would help
[11:38] <kbrooks> DemisM, you havent tried mandrake yet
[11:38] <universal> bmoi, i just forgot... but now after the apt-get update it says  GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F4
[11:38] <DemisM> I have, it's like red crap
[11:38] <kbrooks> DemisM, it's GREAT
[11:38] <pinPoint> i just poped in a DVD
[11:38] <kbrooks> red crap?
[11:38] <kbrooks> u joking?
[11:38] <pinPoint> and totem came up
[11:38] <DemisM> heh red hat
[11:39] <bmoi> LeeColleton, strange. i had that problem a while ago, but that was with dbus out of cvs. hoary packages work fine as of now
[11:39] <pinPoint> I removed it!!!
[11:39] <pinPoint> where did it come from?!!!
[11:39] <bmoi> universal, don't worry about the signatures. you can still get the packages
[11:39] <LeeColleton> I think the error is with the kernel, somehow
[11:39] <DemisM> I don't know, I installed ubuntu and I haven't had to configure much
[11:39] <LeeColleton> which is 2.6.10-5-686
[11:39] <bmoi> LeeColleton, whats the error again?
[11:39] <DemisM> just use apt-get and look at the how-tos
[11:39] <libben> hmm.... so i should never NEVER install anything with sudo... now i see it =) no home path =)
[11:39] <LeeColleton> Failed to export D-Bus object: Unable to determine the address of the message bus
[11:39] <universal> bmoi, ok, so there are nothing to worrie ab
[11:39] <bmoi> universal, nope
[11:40] <KingArthur-TDoD> LeeColleton: I think it's just an integrated one on my Dell Inspiron 8600 laptop
[11:40] <universal> bmoi, nice, thx
[11:40] <Xappe> goodnight
[11:40] <LeeColleton> I get the same problem with dbus-monitor
[11:40] <LeeColleton> so it's not muine
[11:40] <DemisM> kbrooks,  there is soooo much ubuntu support, if people took time to look at the bugs and the wiki you could probably get any question answered
[11:40] <bmoi> LeeColleton, hmm. not sure. tried reinstalling dbus/cil/muine?
[11:40] <kbrooks> DemisM, support does not matter
[11:41] <LeeColleton> bmoi: I'll give it a shot
[11:41] <universal> bmoi, i cant contact u from a kind of Messenger if i turn to props?
[11:41] <DemisM> kbrooks, and it's easy to use
[11:41] <bmoi> LeeColleton, sorry i cant be more use :)
[11:41] <kbrooks> documentation DOES matter
[11:41] <bmoi> universal, props?
[11:41] <pinPoint> how does a program install itself back after uninstallation
[11:41] <timelord726> amaranth are you still there?
[11:42] <pinPoint> i took out totem player and somehow it found itself back installed
[11:42] <DemisM> kbrooks, ubuntu doesn't have documentation?...
[11:42] <Amaranth> timelord726: kind of
[11:42] <libben> i just changed the hor and vert values in my xorg.conf... do i need to type anything before i reboot? so that the changes gets aplied?
[11:42] <black_nightmare> any of you know about using 'lshw' in here?
[11:42] <timelord726> i'm there in the terminal, what command can i do to get rid of it?
[11:42] <kbrooks> DemisM, it does! DOCUMENTATION MATTERS
[11:42] <mhz> excuse me guys... any one understand or suffered soemthing similar?  I had a happily working hoary using XFree and yesterday night I decided to use X.org via APT.. I know it is nothing to do with it, BUT I NOW do not have a /dev/hdc nor CUPS working
[11:42] <roo_> libben, you just need to restart X, not the computer.
[11:42] <universal> bmoi, if im running into problems u are the clever person i can get help from
[11:42] <universal> bmoi, ;)
[11:43] <DemisM> kbrooks, heh, I'm not trying to argue just wondering what makes mandrake easier to use then ubuntu
[11:43] <kbrooks> DemisM, YMMV
[11:43] <bmoi> universal, ahh. just come into this channel, there's always someone to help you out. or the www.ubuntuforums.org
[11:43] <DemisM> YMMV?
[11:43] <universal> bmoi, ok, u will also be here perm?
[11:43] <libben> roo_, is logging out restarting x? cause its graphical login prompt
[11:43] <kbrooks> your mileage may vary
[11:43] <timelord726> amaranth, i'm where i'm supposed to be in the terminal, but i don't know what command to do to get rid of it
[11:43] <bmoi> universal, a lot of evenings yeah
[11:43] <kbrooks> universal, does he have to be?
[11:43] <kbrooks> :|
[11:44] <[GR-OF] Northman[> hello.who can help me to start the X server on an ATI X800?
[11:44] <Amaranth> timelord726: rm \-user.desktop
[11:44] <timelord726> it gives me "rm: invalid option -- u"
[11:44] <Amaranth> heh, it's going to be a pita
[11:44] <universal> kbrooks, no no, just a guy who knows about alot of stuff
[11:44] <Amaranth> timelord726: does ls show a -user.desktop file?
[11:45] <timelord726> nope
[11:45] <kbrooks> universal, i do
[11:45] <roo_> libben, not really :p try pressing CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE at once?
[11:45] <Amaranth> then i don't know what's wrong
[11:45] <roo_> ^ lol
[11:45] <timelord726> bmp-usercustom.desktop  gxine3.desktop        mimeinfo.cache
[11:45] <timelord726> defaults.list           gxine.desktop         mplayer-usercustom-1.desktop
[11:45] <timelord726> gxine1.desktop          me_liquidwar.desktop  mplayer-usercustom.desktop
[11:45] <timelord726> gxine2.desktop          me_pingus.desktop     XMMS-usercustom.desktop
[11:45] <timelord726> that's my file listing
[11:46] <universal> kbrooks, ok, i hope u will help if im running into probs
[11:46] <catch-> Hi I'm having trouble playing mp3's and getting real player to work, playing mp3's xmms just crashes, anyone got any sugestions?
[11:46] <universal> kbrooks, u dont have gdesklets?
[11:46] <kbrooks> universal, i am not always here
[11:46] <kbrooks> no, i dont. why?
[11:46] <timelord726> amaranth did you see my file listing?
[11:46] <roo_> timelord726, im sure when he sees it he'll let u kno.
[11:46] <Amaranth> yeah, i have no idea
[11:46] <timelord726> sorry
[11:47] <timelord726> ok thanks
[11:47] <bmoi> night all
[11:47] <roo_> night bmoi
[11:47] <universal> kbrooks, ok, just because i have can't get the shell funktioning
[11:47] <catch-> if i run it from a terminal i don't get any error message
[11:47] <timelord726> sorry to be a nuisance folks, hope i wasn't too much of one, anyway thanks for your help
[11:47] <catch-> anyone have any ideas why xmms would just die when trying to play an mp3?
[11:48] <catch-> hrm ... nermal would be off at a lug :/
[11:49] <lunitik> catch-: you have xmms-mad?
[11:50] <e_machinist> Does Hoary come with Gnome 2.10?
[11:50] <lunitik> e_machinist: yes
[11:50] <catch-> on it's way :) thanks lunitik
[11:50] <lunitik> catch-: yw  :)
[11:50] <catch-> lunitik any chance of a hand with realplayer? I set it up perfectly on my home machine, just come over cause my dad is having a problem with his and i can't work out what it is
[11:51] <catch-> it appears to have installed properly (ran the .bin etc) but when i came to run it i don't get any feed back, and trying to access bbc news is a big no no
[11:51] <lunitik> catch-: ahh... nope... sorry... don't use Real Player enough to help  :(
[11:51] <e_machinist> And warty uses which version of GNOME?
[11:52] <catch-> lunitik xmms is still hanging :|
[11:52] <lunitik> e_machinist: 2.8
[11:52] <lunitik> catch-: hmm... you restart it since installing the packages?
[11:53] <catch-> yeah i have to kill xmms to get it to respond after trying to get it to play
[11:53] <catch-> i do have this error when i start it in a terminal libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:53] <malte`> how do i workaround the message at the dist-upgrade regarding pcmcia-cs ?
[11:54] <catch-> am installing libmikmod now
[11:54] <libben> do u have to register nickname really ? will u get kicked or something if u dont respond to the nickserv thingy
[11:54] <catch-> still not working :( Anyone have any ideas why xmms would die?
[11:54] <catch-> your nick will be changed for you
[11:55] <lunitik> libben: when the person that owns the nick logs in... they can get it back...
[11:55] <catch-> ohh you don't have count down on here ... spent too long on dalnet :)
[11:55] <catch-> lunitik any ideas what else might be causing it?
[11:56] <topyli> catch-: i have many reasons why xmms _should_ die :)
[11:56] <lunitik> catch-: nope... I don't use XMMS either... heh... Rhythmbox/Amarok here...
[11:56] <StR> die die! DIE XMMS!
[11:56] <topyli> heh
[11:57] <StR> amarok 4ever!
[11:57] <topyli> BLEEDING DEATH
[11:57] <black_nightmare> heh
[11:57] <catch-> just worked it out, it was trying to use oss driver not the esound one
[11:57] <lunitik> StR: 8)
[11:57] <topyli> ok, i used xmms for years and there's basically nothing wrong with it
[11:57] <lunitik> topyli: little right with it either though  :P
[11:57] <topyli> heh
[11:57] <omni_lonnie> topyli:  amarik seems pretty system intensive too...
[11:58] <LeeColleton> topyli: xmms is reeeally slow over ssh forwarding for some reason
[11:58] <Lefungus> topyli, it's not gapless, it's ugly and the plugin sdk is braindead
[11:58] <catch-> cheers
[11:58] <topyli> for a long time, it was the only thing that worked right on my desktop :/
[11:58] <LeeColleton> topyli: plus, muine has a kickass search feature
[11:58] <Arnia> Muine is nice...
[11:58] <topyli> LeeColleton: muine seems ok
[11:59] <LeeColleton> okay, this is phreaking me out.  now rhythmbox won't work
[11:59] <topyli> what's wrong?
[11:59] <LeeColleton> it's giving "Could not open resource for writing" errors
[12:00] <LeeColleton> won't play anything