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| dominik | would it be possible to make "smooth scrolling" in konqueror the default for kubuntu? i think many people are used to it because of Firefox: when you press yor middle mouse button (scroll wheel) you get an arrow to scroll. | 01:06 |
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| Riddell | dominik: I find middle mouse button is much more useful for pasteing URLs | 01:07 |
| Riddell | dominik: smooth scroll can be done with shift up/down | 01:07 |
| dominik | hmm, ok. shift + up/down works good (better than smooth scrolling in konqueror ;-) ) but you could still paste with the middle mouse burtton, because in a text field it does not scroll. | 01:13 |
| dominik | i mean: better than smooth scrolling in konqueror with your mmb | 01:13 |
| Riddell | middle mouse button in firefox doesn't seem to do anything here | 01:17 |
| dominik | nothing? ok, than i was mistaken and it isn't the default in firefox either. sorry. what does middle mouse button do in konqueror when you leave it to default? | 01:21 |
| Riddell | dominik: it goes to the URL in the clipboard | 01:21 |
| Riddell | very useful for just clicking anywhere on the page | 01:22 |
| dominik | yeah, ok. then leave it as it is now is best i think | 01:24 |
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| mdz | Riddell: firefox used to do that by default, but it was disabled by default due to usability issues | 01:43 |
| mdz | users trying to middle-click a link, and loading some random clipboard content as a URL instead | 01:43 |
| elmo | meh | 01:44 |
| Riddell | mdz: why would they middle click? | 01:44 |
| mdz | Riddell: to open in a new window/tab | 01:44 |
| mdz | I do it inadvertently all the time, and I *like* the feature | 01:44 |
| mdz | maybe it should be double-middleclick or something | 01:44 |
| Riddell | hmm, I do that occationally but not much | 01:45 |
| dato | middle click pastes url in firefox here. also, opens in new tab if you do it over a link. | 01:51 |
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| Riddell | now, who thought it was a good idea to not get mailman to add the listname to the Subject and use procmail instead :) | 05:42 |
| Riddell | [kubuntu-users] Re: [kubuntu-users] Re: [kubuntu-users] mounting drives | 05:42 |
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| Riddell | got an e-mail from Harald and Roberto kdevelop dudes saying they've converted to Kubuntu, maybe we should get kdevelop i main :) | 02:29 |
| d3vic3 | :) | 02:30 |
| haggai | ooh cool | 02:54 |
| haggai | are we allowed to move stuff into main still? | 02:54 |
| elmo | same rules apply, as mdz posted to k-d@l.u.c recently, AFAIK | 02:54 |
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| d3vic3 | Riddell, ping | 03:28 |
| Riddell | d3vic3: yo | 03:29 |
| d3vic3 | just tested kubuntu | 03:29 |
| d3vic3 | have a few problem | 03:29 |
| Riddell | ... | 03:29 |
| Riddell | install from release candidate? | 03:29 |
| d3vic3 | nope | 03:29 |
| d3vic3 | dist-upgrade | 03:29 |
| Riddell | right | 03:30 |
| Riddell | what's up? | 03:30 |
| d3vic3 | if i change the style, the window decorations disappear | 03:30 |
| d3vic3 | (min, max, close buttons, window border, etc ) | 03:31 |
| d3vic3 | reboot doesn't fix it | 03:31 |
| Riddell | change which style? | 03:31 |
| d3vic3 | Keramik(spelling) to Plastik | 03:31 |
| Riddell | window style or widget style? | 03:31 |
| d3vic3 | window style | 03:32 |
| Riddell | most pecualiar, it should be plastik by default for a start | 03:32 |
| d3vic3 | all the applets failed to load, included the clock applet | 03:32 |
| d3vic3 | it is, switching it breaks it | 03:32 |
| ttf | Riddell: can I assign #7880 to you? even got a fix for that: set "inactiveForeground=140,140,140" in kdeglobals below [WM] and remove the shadowing effect. | 03:34 |
| d3vic3 | for some reason, my wi-fi card was disabled on login, enabled when I get back to Gnome | 03:35 |
| ttf | tested it out with keeping the shadowing effect - then the inactive window title text looks pretty blured | 03:35 |
| Riddell | ttf: sure I can do it. which shadowing effect | 03:35 |
| Riddell | d3vic3: shouldn't be anything in kde or gnome which affects the wifi card | 03:36 |
| d3vic3 | Riddell, I know | 03:36 |
| d3vic3 | strange | 03:36 |
| d3vic3 | oh, and the panel suddenly disappears if I click the button to hide it | 03:37 |
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| d3vic3 | Riddell, easy, I just reboot | 03:37 |
| Riddell | well, recreated by me so I can try and work out what causes it | 03:38 |
| d3vic3 | yah, all I did was dist-upgrade and rebooted into KDE | 03:39 |
| d3vic3 | let me log on to KDE again and see | 03:39 |
| ttf | Riddell: C.C. --> Appearance and Themes --> Window Decorations --> Use shadowed text | 03:40 |
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| d3vic3 | Riddell, www.rootcore.co.za/kubuntu/snapshot3.png | 03:45 |
| d3vic3 | Riddell, I can change window focus also, Alt+Tab does nothing | 03:45 |
| d3vic3 | s/can/can't/ | 03:45 |
| Riddell | d3vic3: what did you dist-upgrade from? | 03:49 |
| d3vic3 | apt-get install kde | 03:49 |
| d3vic3 | which I did 2 weeks back | 03:49 |
| Riddell | hmm, so should all be KDE 3.4 | 03:50 |
| d3vic3 | yes, everything says 2.4 | 03:50 |
| d3vic3 | 3.4, even | 03:50 |
| Riddell | does konqueror and that load ok? | 03:51 |
| d3vic3 | yes | 03:51 |
| d3vic3 | ok, my bottom panel just disappeared again | 03:52 |
| d3vic3 | i can't do nothing | 03:52 |
| Riddell | try logging out and apt-get remove --purge kubuntu-default-settings | 03:52 |
| d3vic3 | Riddell, www.rootcore.co.za/kubuntu/snapshot5.png | 03:53 |
| d3vic3 | ok | 03:53 |
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| d3vic3 | still the same | 03:59 |
| d3vic3 | Riddell, kcontrol can't fix it | 04:03 |
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| dato | Package: kdvi | 04:13 |
| dato | Version: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu2 | 04:13 |
| dato | Severity: important | 04:13 |
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| d3vic3 | Riddell, full desktop after a few clicks www.rootcore.co.za/kubuntu/snapshot6.png | 04:22 |
| d3vic3 | very stange | 04:24 |
| d3vic3 | s/stange/strange/ | 04:24 |
| Riddell | d3vic3: cvery strange indeed | 04:29 |
| Riddell | d3vic3: doing rm -r ~/.kde while logged out should fix it but is hardly very satisfactory from a finding out what went wrong point of view | 04:30 |
| d3vic3 | ware u able to reproduce it ? | 04:32 |
| Riddell | well no, I would need a copy of your origional ~/.kde I guess | 04:32 |
| d3vic3 | let me put it up | 04:35 |
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| d3vic3 | Riddell, it fixes it | 04:52 |
| d3vic3 | but then as soon as I go to theme manager and change the theme, it breaks again | 04:52 |
| d3vic3 | try changing you theme and see what happens | 04:52 |
| Riddell | d3vic3: I can change from plastik to keramik window theme without any problem | 04:53 |
| d3vic3 | kcontrol -> theme manager ? | 04:53 |
| Riddell | d3vic3: theme manager works fine as well | 04:57 |
| d3vic3 | strange | 05:00 |
| Riddell | just tried theme manager on a fresh new user and it works too | 05:08 |
| d3vic3 | I'm gonna try a new user and see | 05:09 |
| Riddell | we don't have vorbis-tools installed by default which means kaudiocreator doesn't work | 05:13 |
| Riddell | audiocd:/ does work though | 05:13 |
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| d3vic3 | Riddell, nope, still the same | 05:14 |
| Riddell | svn delayed until monday | 05:20 |
| Riddell | Kamion: can we have a kubuntu theme for the windows software on the live CD? | 05:30 |
| Riddell | Kamion: hno71 has made one up http://www.theopencd.org/ubuntu/img/KubuntuWinFOSS_1.png | 05:31 |
| Riddell | and says he's going to package it to http://www.theopencd.org/ubuntu/kubuntu/ | 05:32 |
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| Riddell | hno71: were you the guy complaining about Kpanel tooltips? I got that changed upstream | 05:36 |
| hno71 | Riddell: Yeah that was me. Cool | 05:36 |
| hno71 | (I'm also the guy who sent you the website tarball) | 05:37 |
| hno71 | Just so you can connect my nick with my name | 05:37 |
| Riddell | yes, someone redid the website so it can be translated, I need to set that up and make the tabs highlight correctly too | 05:37 |
| hno71 | We're hoping to upgrade the ubuntu plone site tomorrow with that skin | 05:38 |
| hno71 | Fingers crossed | 05:38 |
| Riddell | good luck :) | 05:38 |
| hno71 | Riddell: Upload complete: http://www.theopencd.org/ubuntu/kubuntu/latest/ | 05:44 |
| hno71 | You should be able to untar and view it in firefox | 05:45 |
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| hno71 | :) | 05:46 |
| hno71 | Any Gecko browser should work. Konqueror might even work too | 05:46 |
| Riddell | hno71: how come that's only 35MB and the ubuntu one is 99MB? | 05:47 |
| hno71 | You can choose. That one is without OpenOffice, which I've also done for the Ubuntu AMD64 Live CD | 05:47 |
| hno71 | Do you have space for the full 100MB? | 05:48 |
| Riddell | hno71: not sure but I would presume we do since at the moment the CD has the full Ubuntu one | 05:48 |
| mdz | haggai: what do you need, main-wise? | 05:49 |
| hno71 | Right, OK. For some reason I thought KDE took more space | 05:49 |
| hno71 | Did you remove some lang packs? | 05:49 |
| Riddell | don't know if we need more space or not, maybe Kamion will know | 05:51 |
| haggai | mdz: I was wondering about cdrdao and kdevelop. As I said in the bug report, I guess cdrdao is a bit late in the game since k3b wants to set it suid | 05:51 |
| mdz | haggai: yeah, setuid is a deal-breaker | 05:52 |
| mdz | haggai: does it work non-setuid? | 05:52 |
| Riddell | elmo: could you set up a test domain pointing to /srv/kubuntu.org/www/new/ and follow the instructions in README in that directory? | 05:54 |
| haggai | mdz: hmm I don't have [k] ubuntu on my cd writer machine but debian's k3b actually wants to remove the suid bits on my setup now | 06:03 |
| mdz | haggai: can we turn off the bits where it wants to go around changing permissions on the system? | 06:04 |
| haggai | mdz: hmm that would be a case of disabling k3bsetup | 06:05 |
| mdz | haggai: k3bsetup doesn't do anything else? | 06:07 |
| haggai | mdz: it seems to set cdrom drive group and permissions, and set permissions on cdrecord/cdrdao binaries, all optional | 06:08 |
| haggai | theoretically those should all work out of the box anyway | 06:08 |
| mdz | right | 06:09 |
| mdz | and if they don't, want bugs reported and fixed, not "run k3bsetup" | 06:09 |
| mdz | s/want/we &/ | 06:09 |
| haggai | true | 06:09 |
| haggai | I can't test it here since I only have a writer on my server and that only has ubuntu in a chroot | 06:09 |
| haggai | Riddell/amu/ttf: Any can any of you test if k3b can be used out of the box without needing to run k3bsetup? | 06:10 |
| Riddell | I don't have a CD burner | 06:12 |
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| Kamion | hno71,Riddell: don't think there's a pressing need for space at the moment, although Kubuntu amd64 is slightly more space-constrained than Ubuntu amd64 | 06:15 |
| Kamion | -rw-rw-r-- 2 cjwatson cdimage 577161216 Mar 29 22:57 daily-live/current/hoary-live-amd64.iso | 06:15 |
| Kamion | -rw-rw-r-- 2 cjwatson cdimage 653549568 Mar 29 22:58 daily-live/current/hoary-live-i386.iso | 06:16 |
| Kamion | -rw-rw-r-- 2 cjwatson cdimage 606375936 Mar 31 06:31 kubuntu/daily-live/current/hoary-live-amd64.iso | 06:16 |
| Kamion | -rw-rw-r-- 2 cjwatson cdimage 650266624 Mar 31 06:32 kubuntu/daily-live/current/hoary-live-i386.iso | 06:16 |
| Kamion | those are the current sizes; WinFOSS is included in both the i386 CDs, but in neither of the amd64 CDs | 06:16 |
| hno71 | Right. So I'll just prepare separate tarballs for 386 and Amd64 on Kubuntu as well. | 06:17 |
| hno71 | It's quite quick once you've done one | 06:17 |
| Kamion | I'll wait to switch over Kubuntu until you give me the word, then | 06:18 |
| hno71 | OK, probably tomorrow. There is a bit more graphics stuff to do. Thanks. | 06:19 |
| hno71 | mdz, haggai: I have an old Ubuntu box (warty+upgrade+kubuntu) that I've run k3b on before, but I ran it now with a fresh user and it works without running setup. | 06:20 |
| hno71 | Does that help? | 06:20 |
| haggai | hno71: thanks, k3bsetup actually changes system permissions so it needs to be a fresh box, not just a fresh user | 06:22 |
| hno71 | haggai: OK. I've run out of boxes :) | 06:23 |
| Kamion | hno71: ok, for tomorrow please mail me the URL, I may not be around much on IRC | 06:23 |
| hno71 | Kamion: OK, will do | 06:24 |
| elmo | Riddell: is it urgent, or can it wait till tonight/tomorrow? | 06:24 |
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| Riddell | elmo: not urgent no | 06:26 |
| elmo | ok, RT-ing it till I go home then | 06:26 |
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| motaboy | Hi all. :D | 07:53 |
| Riddell | hello motaboy | 07:54 |
| motaboy | Riddell: what do you think about the patch for QT that I proposed in my mail to kubuntu-devel ML? | 07:57 |
| Riddell | motaboy: I'm going to look at it next (currently browsing bugzilla to remind myself of what's in there) | 07:58 |
| Riddell | motaboy: you should poke some MOTU (such as haggai or amu or anyone on #ubuntu-motu) to review abakus | 07:58 |
| motaboy | Riddell: Have you tried it ? | 07:59 |
| brainZzZ | or anyone on rawkus? | 07:59 |
| Riddell | motaboy: not tried qt patch, have tried abakus and it's perfect except I think the README file needs to be included in docs | 07:59 |
| motaboy | Riddell: Ok, I'll poke someone :D. For the patch, I only can talk for the gentoo side and what the kde developers asked to us. | 08:01 |
| motaboy | Riddell: updated abakus on dev.kubuntu :) | 08:17 |
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| Riddell | motaboy: am compiling qt now, but can't actually recreate the origional problem | 08:49 |
| motaboy | Riddell: great. BTW. Try opening for example a ubuntu bug, then write something in the editor end select more than one line. | 08:52 |
| motaboy | Riddell: konqueror will block it for at least 1 second but also 4-5 seconds... | 08:53 |
| Riddell | motaboy: tried that, no block (although I have had such problems in the past) | 08:53 |
| motaboy | Riddell: here it happens ALWAYS :( | 08:54 |
| apokryphos | motaboy: there's something about that on bugs.kde.org | 08:54 |
| apokryphos | if you use the keyboard for the selection it works fine... though not always ideal | 08:54 |
| motaboy | apokryphos: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80072 | 08:54 |
| Riddell | apokryphos: do you get the problem? | 08:54 |
| apokryphos | Riddell: I do, yes. | 08:55 |
| motaboy | apokryphos: If you are interested I wrote a mail to kubuntu-devel on this problem | 08:55 |
| apokryphos | motaboy: Ah, yes -- I saw it. | 08:55 |
| Riddell | motaboy: just minded, you should actually number abakus 0.76-0ubuntu0.1 so that the final thing can be ubuntu1 and people can upgrade to that | 08:55 |
| apokryphos | Though, Riddell, it doesn't happen all the time. It's sporadic. | 08:56 |
| Riddell | so here I am trying to get the problem and it doesn't want to be problematic for me | 08:56 |
| motaboy | Riddell: good. Should I on every little update increase the number? 0.2 0.3 ... 0.4544435 ? | 08:56 |
| Riddell | motaboy: yes, something like that | 08:56 |
| Riddell | motaboy, apokryphos: please test qt from here deb http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu ./ | 09:51 |
| Riddell | sudo apt-get install libqt3c102-mt | 09:52 |
| apokryphos | sure | 10:01 |
| apokryphos | Riddell: I should restart kde, I take it? | 10:04 |
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| apokryphos | It installed fine; no problems so far | 10:13 |
| Riddell | apokryphos: do you get the konqueror problem? | 10:36 |
| apokryphos | Riddell: Sweet. That did it | 10:38 |
| apokryphos | nice | 10:38 |
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| apokryphos | motaboy: new Qt packages solve the problem... | 10:38 |
| motaboy | Riddell: great, no problems anymore :D | 10:39 |
| === motaboy is happy that it's proposed patch worked :D | ||
| === motaboy already tested it long time ago, so it was quite sure :D | ||
| apokryphos | Cool | 10:40 |
| motaboy | Riddell: I'm curious why you cannot reproduce it. Are you using klipper? | 10:40 |
| Riddell | motaboy: yes, I'm using kipper | 10:40 |
| motaboy | Riddell: well, my ideas finished here... :( | 10:41 |
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| Riddell | who wants to test something? motaboy? apokryphos ? | 11:26 |
| apokryphos | Riddell: always ;-) | 11:26 |
| motaboy | Riddell: ok | 11:26 |
| Riddell | can you install quanta and leave it running for a few minutes | 11:26 |
| Riddell | if it doesn't crash I can close https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/8437 | 11:26 |
| apokryphos | I've used it before, and had no rpoblems | 11:27 |
| apokryphos | but I'll try again now anyhow | 11:27 |
| apokryphos | Riddell: Hah, it crashed | 11:28 |
| motaboy | Riddell: The old crashed (I was doing nothing). Now trying the new one. | 11:28 |
| Riddell | apokryphos: what package version do you have installed? | 11:29 |
| apokryphos | ii quanta 3.4.0-0ubuntu1 web development environment for KDE | 11:29 |
| Riddell | apokryphos: it's ubuntu2 I'm wanting, did you apt-get update? | 11:30 |
| apokryphos | sorry, will do now | 11:30 |
| brainZzZ | <Riddell> in 4 posizione con 54 punti ... dog-jobb <--- wtf did you mean by that | 11:30 |
| Riddell | brainZzZ: huh? | 11:30 |
| brainZzZ | huh? | 11:30 |
| Riddell | whit? | 11:31 |
| motaboy | Riddell: are you italian? | 11:31 |
| Riddell | nope, Scottish | 11:31 |
| Riddell | can't speak a word of Italian beyond ciao | 11:32 |
| motaboy | Riddell: in 4 posizione con 54 punti = fourth with 54 points. | 11:32 |
| Riddell | well I never said any such thing, brainZzZ is trying to frame me | 11:32 |
| motaboy | Riddell: dehehe | 11:32 |
| motaboy | Riddell: BTW the new quanta isn't crashing :D | 11:32 |
| brainZzZ | my doc is trying to get my anxiety better because he feels that if we can get that under control my ibs should get way better | 11:32 |
| motaboy | Riddell: I'm just curious, what kind how linking problem was that? | 11:33 |
| === apokryphos has no problems too. Running around 3 minutes so far. | ||
| Riddell | motaboy: kdewebdev was compiled against an old kdesdk | 11:34 |
| Riddell | well I'm satisfied, I'll close the beastie | 11:34 |
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| motaboy | Riddell: ok thanks. | 11:45 |
| motaboy | haggai: Finally I can reproduce bug http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8009 | 12:00 |
| motaboy | haggai: looks like it's related to the media kioslave | 12:00 |
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