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[01:06] <dominik> would it be possible to make "smooth scrolling" in konqueror the default for kubuntu? i think many people are used to it because of Firefox: when you press yor middle mouse button (scroll wheel) you get an arrow to scroll.
[01:07] <Riddell> dominik: I find middle mouse button is much more useful for pasteing URLs
[01:07] <Riddell> dominik: smooth scroll can be done with shift up/down
[01:13] <dominik> hmm, ok. shift + up/down works good (better than smooth scrolling in konqueror ;-) ) but you could still paste with the middle mouse burtton, because in a text field it does not scroll.
[01:13] <dominik> i mean: better than smooth scrolling in konqueror with your mmb
[01:17] <Riddell> middle mouse button in firefox doesn't seem to do anything here
[01:21] <dominik> nothing? ok, than i was mistaken and it isn't the default in firefox either. sorry. what does middle mouse button do in konqueror when you leave it to default?
[01:21] <Riddell> dominik: it goes to the URL in the clipboard
[01:22] <Riddell> very useful for just clicking anywhere on the page
[01:24] <dominik> yeah, ok. then leave it as it is now is best i think
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[01:43] <mdz> Riddell: firefox used to do that by default, but it was disabled by default due to usability issues
[01:43] <mdz> users trying to middle-click a link, and loading some random clipboard content as a URL instead
[01:44] <elmo> meh
[01:44] <Riddell> mdz: why would they middle click?
[01:44] <mdz> Riddell: to open in a new window/tab
[01:44] <mdz> I do it inadvertently all the time, and I *like* the feature
[01:44] <mdz> maybe it should be double-middleclick or something
[01:45] <Riddell> hmm, I do that occationally but not much
[01:51] <dato> middle click pastes url in firefox here. also, opens in new tab if you do it over a link.
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[05:42] <Riddell> now, who thought it was a good idea to not get mailman to add the listname to the Subject and use procmail instead :)
[05:42] <Riddell> [kubuntu-users]  Re: [kubuntu-users]  Re: [kubuntu-users]  mounting drives
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[02:29] <Riddell> got an e-mail from Harald and Roberto kdevelop dudes saying they've converted to Kubuntu, maybe we should get kdevelop i main :)
[02:30] <d3vic3> :)
[02:54] <haggai> ooh cool
[02:54] <haggai> are we allowed to move stuff into main still?
[02:54] <elmo> same rules apply, as mdz posted to k-d@l.u.c recently, AFAIK
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[03:28] <d3vic3> Riddell, ping 
[03:29] <Riddell> d3vic3: yo
[03:29] <d3vic3> just tested kubuntu 
[03:29] <d3vic3> have a few problem 
[03:29] <Riddell> ...
[03:29] <Riddell> install from release candidate?
[03:29] <d3vic3> nope 
[03:29] <d3vic3> dist-upgrade 
[03:30] <Riddell> right
[03:30] <Riddell> what's up?
[03:30] <d3vic3> if i change the style, the window decorations disappear 
[03:31] <d3vic3> (min, max, close buttons, window border, etc )
[03:31] <d3vic3> reboot doesn't fix it 
[03:31] <Riddell> change which style?
[03:31] <d3vic3> Keramik(spelling) to Plastik 
[03:31] <Riddell> window style or widget style?
[03:32] <d3vic3> window style 
[03:32] <Riddell> most pecualiar, it should be plastik by default for a start
[03:32] <d3vic3> all the applets failed to load, included the clock applet 
[03:32] <d3vic3> it is, switching it breaks it
[03:34] <ttf> Riddell: can I assign #7880 to you? even got a fix for that: set "inactiveForeground=140,140,140" in kdeglobals below [WM]  and remove the shadowing effect.
[03:35] <d3vic3> for some reason, my wi-fi card was disabled on login, enabled when I get back to Gnome 
[03:35] <ttf> tested it out with keeping the shadowing effect - then the inactive window title text looks pretty blured
[03:35] <Riddell> ttf: sure I can do it.  which shadowing effect
[03:36] <Riddell> d3vic3: shouldn't be anything in kde or gnome which affects the wifi card
[03:36] <d3vic3> Riddell, I know
[03:36] <d3vic3> strange 
[03:37] <d3vic3> oh, and the panel suddenly disappears if I click the button to hide it 
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[03:37] <d3vic3> Riddell, easy, I just reboot 
[03:38] <Riddell> well, recreated by me so I can try and work out what causes it
[03:39] <d3vic3> yah, all I did was dist-upgrade and rebooted into KDE
[03:39] <d3vic3> let me log on to KDE again and see 
[03:40] <ttf> Riddell: C.C. --> Appearance and Themes --> Window Decorations --> Use shadowed text
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[03:45] <d3vic3> Riddell, www.rootcore.co.za/kubuntu/snapshot3.png
[03:45] <d3vic3> Riddell, I can change window focus also, Alt+Tab does nothing 
[03:45] <d3vic3> s/can/can't/
[03:49] <Riddell> d3vic3: what did you dist-upgrade from?
[03:49] <d3vic3> apt-get install kde
[03:49] <d3vic3> which I did 2 weeks back 
[03:50] <Riddell> hmm, so should all be KDE 3.4
[03:50] <d3vic3> yes, everything says 2.4 
[03:50] <d3vic3> 3.4, even 
[03:51] <Riddell> does konqueror and that load ok?
[03:51] <d3vic3> yes
[03:52] <d3vic3> ok, my bottom panel just disappeared again 
[03:52] <d3vic3> i can't do nothing 
[03:52] <Riddell> try logging out and apt-get remove --purge kubuntu-default-settings
[03:53] <d3vic3> Riddell, www.rootcore.co.za/kubuntu/snapshot5.png 
[03:53] <d3vic3> ok 
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[03:59] <d3vic3> still the  same 
[04:03] <d3vic3> Riddell, kcontrol can't fix it 
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[04:13] <dato> Package: kdvi
[04:13] <dato> Version: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu2
[04:13] <dato> Severity: important
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[04:22] <d3vic3> Riddell, full desktop after a few clicks www.rootcore.co.za/kubuntu/snapshot6.png
[04:24] <d3vic3> very stange 
[04:24] <d3vic3> s/stange/strange/
[04:29] <Riddell> d3vic3: cvery strange indeed
[04:30] <Riddell> d3vic3: doing rm -r ~/.kde while logged out should fix it but is hardly very satisfactory from a finding out what went wrong point of view
[04:32] <d3vic3> ware u able to reproduce it ?
[04:32] <Riddell> well no, I would need a copy of your origional ~/.kde I guess
[04:35] <d3vic3> let me put it up 
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[04:52] <d3vic3> Riddell, it fixes it
[04:52] <d3vic3> but then as soon as I go to theme manager and change the theme, it breaks again 
[04:52] <d3vic3> try changing you theme and see what happens 
[04:53] <Riddell> d3vic3: I can change from plastik to keramik window theme without any problem
[04:53] <d3vic3> kcontrol -> theme manager ?
[04:57] <Riddell> d3vic3: theme manager works fine as well
[05:00] <d3vic3> strange 
[05:08] <Riddell> just tried theme manager on a fresh new user and it works too
[05:09] <d3vic3> I'm gonna try a new user and see 
[05:13] <Riddell> we don't have vorbis-tools installed by default which means kaudiocreator doesn't work
[05:13] <Riddell> audiocd:/ does work though
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[05:14] <d3vic3> Riddell, nope, still the same 
[05:20] <Riddell> svn delayed until monday
[05:30] <Riddell> Kamion: can we have a kubuntu theme for the windows software on the live CD?
[05:31] <Riddell> Kamion: hno71 has made one up http://www.theopencd.org/ubuntu/img/KubuntuWinFOSS_1.png
[05:32] <Riddell> and says he's going to package it to  http://www.theopencd.org/ubuntu/kubuntu/
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[05:36] <Riddell> hno71: were you the guy complaining about Kpanel tooltips?  I got that changed upstream
[05:36] <hno71> Riddell: Yeah that was me. Cool
[05:37] <hno71> (I'm also the guy who sent you the website tarball)
[05:37] <hno71> Just so you can connect my nick with my name
[05:37] <Riddell> yes, someone redid the website so it can be translated, I need to set that up and make the tabs highlight correctly too
[05:38] <hno71> We're hoping to upgrade the ubuntu plone site tomorrow with that skin
[05:38] <hno71> Fingers crossed 
[05:38] <Riddell> good luck :)
[05:44] <hno71> Riddell: Upload complete: http://www.theopencd.org/ubuntu/kubuntu/latest/
[05:45] <hno71> You should be able to untar and view it in firefox
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[05:46] <hno71> :) 
[05:46] <hno71> Any Gecko browser should work. Konqueror might even work too
[05:47] <Riddell> hno71: how come that's only 35MB and the ubuntu one is 99MB?
[05:47] <hno71> You can choose. That one is without OpenOffice, which I've also done for the Ubuntu AMD64 Live CD
[05:48] <hno71> Do you have space for the full 100MB?
[05:48] <Riddell> hno71: not sure but I would presume we do since at the moment the CD has the full Ubuntu one
[05:49] <mdz> haggai: what do you need, main-wise?
[05:49] <hno71> Right, OK. For some reason I thought KDE took more space
[05:49] <hno71> Did you remove some lang packs?
[05:51] <Riddell> don't know if we need more space or not, maybe Kamion will know
[05:51] <haggai> mdz: I was wondering about cdrdao and kdevelop.  As I said in the bug report, I guess cdrdao is a bit late in the game since k3b wants to set it suid
[05:52] <mdz> haggai: yeah, setuid is a deal-breaker
[05:52] <mdz> haggai: does it work non-setuid?
[05:54] <Riddell> elmo: could you set up a test domain pointing to /srv/kubuntu.org/www/new/ and follow the instructions in README in that directory?
[06:03] <haggai> mdz: hmm I don't have [k] ubuntu on my cd writer machine but debian's k3b actually wants to remove the suid bits on my setup now
[06:04] <mdz> haggai: can we turn off the bits where it wants to go around changing permissions on the system?
[06:05] <haggai> mdz: hmm that would be a case of disabling k3bsetup
[06:07] <mdz> haggai: k3bsetup doesn't do anything else?
[06:08] <haggai> mdz: it seems to set cdrom drive group and permissions, and set permissions on cdrecord/cdrdao binaries, all optional
[06:08] <haggai> theoretically those should all work out of the box anyway
[06:09] <mdz> right
[06:09] <mdz> and if they don't, want bugs reported and fixed, not "run k3bsetup"
[06:09] <mdz> s/want/we &/
[06:09] <haggai> true
[06:09] <haggai> I can't test it here since I only have a writer on my server and that only has ubuntu in a chroot
[06:10] <haggai> Riddell/amu/ttf: Any can any of you test if k3b can be used out of the box without needing to run k3bsetup?
[06:12] <Riddell> I don't have a CD burner
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[06:15] <Kamion> hno71,Riddell: don't think there's a pressing need for space at the moment, although Kubuntu amd64 is slightly more space-constrained than Ubuntu amd64
[06:15] <Kamion> -rw-rw-r--    2 cjwatson cdimage  577161216 Mar 29 22:57 daily-live/current/hoary-live-amd64.iso
[06:16] <Kamion> -rw-rw-r--    2 cjwatson cdimage  653549568 Mar 29 22:58 daily-live/current/hoary-live-i386.iso
[06:16] <Kamion> -rw-rw-r--    2 cjwatson cdimage  606375936 Mar 31 06:31 kubuntu/daily-live/current/hoary-live-amd64.iso
[06:16] <Kamion> -rw-rw-r--    2 cjwatson cdimage  650266624 Mar 31 06:32 kubuntu/daily-live/current/hoary-live-i386.iso
[06:16] <Kamion> those are the current sizes; WinFOSS is included in both the i386 CDs, but in neither of the amd64 CDs
[06:17] <hno71> Right. So I'll just prepare separate tarballs for 386 and Amd64 on Kubuntu as well. 
[06:17] <hno71> It's quite quick once you've done one
[06:18] <Kamion> I'll wait to switch over Kubuntu until you give me the word, then
[06:19] <hno71> OK, probably tomorrow. There is a bit more graphics stuff to do. Thanks.
[06:20] <hno71> mdz, haggai: I have an old Ubuntu box (warty+upgrade+kubuntu) that I've run k3b on before, but I ran it now with a fresh user and it works without running setup.
[06:20] <hno71> Does that help?
[06:22] <haggai> hno71: thanks, k3bsetup actually changes system permissions so it needs to be a fresh box, not just a fresh user
[06:23] <hno71> haggai: OK. I've run out of boxes :)
[06:23] <Kamion> hno71: ok, for tomorrow please mail me the URL, I may not be around much on IRC
[06:24] <hno71> Kamion: OK, will do
[06:24] <elmo> Riddell: is it urgent, or can it wait till tonight/tomorrow?
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[06:26] <Riddell> elmo: not urgent no
[06:26] <elmo> ok, RT-ing it till I go home then
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[07:53] <motaboy> Hi all. :D
[07:54] <Riddell> hello motaboy 
[07:57] <motaboy> Riddell: what do you think about the patch for QT that I proposed in my mail to kubuntu-devel ML?
[07:58] <Riddell> motaboy: I'm going to look at it next (currently browsing bugzilla to remind myself of what's in there)
[07:58] <Riddell> motaboy: you should poke some MOTU (such as haggai or amu or anyone on #ubuntu-motu) to review abakus
[07:59] <motaboy> Riddell: Have you tried it ?
[07:59] <brainZzZ> or anyone on rawkus?
[07:59] <Riddell> motaboy: not tried qt patch, have tried abakus and it's perfect except I think the README file needs to be included in docs
[08:01] <motaboy> Riddell: Ok, I'll poke someone :D. For the patch, I only can talk for the gentoo side and what the kde developers asked to us.
[08:17] <motaboy> Riddell: updated abakus on dev.kubuntu :)
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[08:49] <Riddell> motaboy: am compiling qt now, but can't actually recreate the origional problem
[08:52] <motaboy> Riddell: great. BTW. Try opening for example a ubuntu bug, then write something in the editor end select more than one line.
[08:53] <motaboy> Riddell: konqueror will block it for at least 1 second but also 4-5 seconds...
[08:53] <Riddell> motaboy: tried that, no block (although I have had such problems in the past)
[08:54] <motaboy> Riddell: here it happens ALWAYS :(
[08:54] <apokryphos> motaboy: there's something about that on bugs.kde.org
[08:54] <apokryphos> if you use the keyboard for the selection it works fine... though not always ideal
[08:54] <motaboy> apokryphos: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80072
[08:54] <Riddell> apokryphos: do you get the problem?
[08:55] <apokryphos> Riddell: I do, yes.
[08:55] <motaboy> apokryphos: If you are interested I wrote a mail to kubuntu-devel on this problem 
[08:55] <apokryphos> motaboy: Ah, yes -- I saw it. 
[08:55] <Riddell> motaboy: just minded, you should actually number abakus 0.76-0ubuntu0.1 so that the final thing can be ubuntu1 and people can upgrade to that
[08:56] <apokryphos> Though, Riddell, it doesn't happen all the time. It's sporadic.
[08:56] <Riddell> so here I am trying to get the problem and it doesn't want to be problematic for me
[08:56] <motaboy> Riddell: good. Should I on every little update increase the number? 0.2 0.3 ... 0.4544435 ?
[08:56] <Riddell> motaboy: yes, something like that
[09:51] <Riddell> motaboy, apokryphos: please test qt from here  deb http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu ./
[09:52] <Riddell> sudo apt-get install libqt3c102-mt
[10:01] <apokryphos> sure
[10:04] <apokryphos> Riddell: I should restart kde, I take it?
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[10:13] <apokryphos> It installed fine; no problems so far
[10:36] <Riddell> apokryphos: do you get the konqueror problem?
[10:38] <apokryphos> Riddell: Sweet. That did it
[10:38] <apokryphos> nice
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[10:38] <apokryphos> motaboy: new Qt packages solve the problem...
[10:39] <motaboy> Riddell: great, no problems anymore :D
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[10:40] <apokryphos> Cool
[10:40] <motaboy> Riddell: I'm curious why you cannot reproduce it. Are you using klipper?
[10:40] <Riddell> motaboy: yes, I'm using kipper
[10:41] <motaboy> Riddell: well, my ideas finished here... :(
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[11:26] <Riddell> who wants to test something?  motaboy?  apokryphos ?
[11:26] <apokryphos> Riddell: always ;-)
[11:26] <motaboy> Riddell: ok
[11:26] <Riddell> can you install quanta and leave it running for a few minutes
[11:26] <Riddell> if it doesn't crash I can close https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/8437
[11:27] <apokryphos> I've used it before, and had no rpoblems
[11:27] <apokryphos> but I'll try again now anyhow
[11:28] <apokryphos> Riddell: Hah, it crashed
[11:28] <motaboy> Riddell: The old crashed (I was doing nothing). Now trying the new one.
[11:29] <Riddell> apokryphos: what package version do you have installed?
[11:29] <apokryphos> ii  quanta         3.4.0-0ubuntu1 web development environment for KDE
[11:30] <Riddell> apokryphos: it's ubuntu2 I'm wanting, did you apt-get update?
[11:30] <apokryphos> sorry, will do now
[11:30] <brainZzZ> <Riddell> in 4 posizione con 54 punti ... dog-jobb <--- wtf did you mean by that
[11:30] <Riddell> brainZzZ: huh? 
[11:30] <brainZzZ> huh?
[11:31] <Riddell> whit?
[11:31] <motaboy> Riddell: are you italian?
[11:31] <Riddell> nope, Scottish
[11:32] <Riddell> can't speak a word of Italian beyond ciao
[11:32] <motaboy> Riddell: in 4 posizione con 54 punti = fourth with 54 points. 
[11:32] <Riddell> well I never said any such thing, brainZzZ is trying to frame me
[11:32] <motaboy> Riddell: dehehe
[11:32] <motaboy> Riddell: BTW the new quanta isn't crashing :D
[11:32] <brainZzZ> my doc is trying to get my anxiety better because he feels that if we can get that under control my ibs should get way better
[11:33] <motaboy> Riddell: I'm just curious, what kind how linking problem was that?
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[11:34] <Riddell> motaboy: kdewebdev was compiled against an old kdesdk
[11:34] <Riddell> well I'm satisfied, I'll close the beastie
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[11:45] <motaboy> Riddell: ok thanks.
[12:00] <motaboy> haggai: Finally I can reproduce bug http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8009
[12:00] <motaboy> haggai: looks like it's related to the media kioslave