[12:11] <treke> hmm. had been hoping 2.6.11 would fix suspend on his laptop. seems it just broke the keyboard and mouse :p
[12:17] <randabis> 2.6.11 is still experiemental in ubuntu terms :p
[12:17] <treke> hehe
[12:18] <treke> probably something simple. I'll fiddle later
[12:21] <treke> i've been trying to stick with the stock kernels in ubuntu :)
[12:38] <dayson> Hey is kubuntu the same thing as default ubuntu install plus apt-installed kde?
[12:38] <gsuveg> dayson: yepp
[12:38] <dayson> thank you
[12:38] <Riddell> dayson: and without Gnome of course
[12:38] <dayson> danke
[12:38] <gsuveg> dayson: bitte
[12:39] <Riddell> dayson: also kubuntu-default-settings which has some artwork and tweaks
[12:39] <gsuveg> Riddell: i have gnome too :P
[12:39] <Riddell> gsuveg: that's allowed :)
[01:02] <dominik> i've to say it: i'm using kubuntu right now and it is really great! the best kde-based distribution i ever used. thank you all! :-)
[01:06] <Riddell> hoorah!
[01:09] <delltony> anyone know of a program that will extract an iso to  a directory?
[01:10] <lonewolff> delltony; just mount it and copy the stuff off like any other drive
[01:11] <lonewolff> mount -0 loop -t iso9660 nameofiso.iso /mnt/point  (if i remember correctly)
[01:11] <delltony> aww
[01:11] <delltony> so you can mount the iso with -o loop?
[01:11] <delltony> then move the directory tree over to a dir?
[01:11] <delltony> yeah i forgot about that
[01:11] <delltony> thanks
[01:11] <lonewolff> yeah
[01:14] <ExInFiNite> i got a noob question
[01:14] <ExInFiNite> can i boot install kubuntu?
[01:15] <lonewolff> boot install?
[01:15] <ExInFiNite> i'm running win32 now
[01:15] <lonewolff> do you mean install it to the hard drive?
[01:15] <ExInFiNite> i mean burn to cd
[01:15] <ExInFiNite> then boot install from cd
[01:16] <lonewolff> you can install from cd to the hard drive, or you can download the live cd and boot from that (no hard changes necessary)
[01:16] <ExInFiNite> will it work
[01:16] <lonewolff> if you want to try kubuntu the live cd would be a good trial, then if you like it it can be installed alongside windows, or to replace windows
[01:16] <ExInFiNite> this is my first time using linux
[01:16] <lonewolff> you can use the live cd to see what works, and what its like
[01:16] <ExInFiNite> i'm gonna dual boot
[01:17] <lonewolff> ok, download the iso file and buring it to cd using nero or similar and reboot with the cd in the drive
[01:17] <lonewolff> during partitioning beware not to delete your windows partition 
[01:17] <lonewolff> ((you may need to resize it to make space for linux)
[01:18] <ExInFiNite> o.k
[01:19] <ExInFiNite> i should download this one right?
[01:19] <ExInFiNite> kubuntu-hoary-install-i386.iso
[01:19] <Curalton> yep, this rc was just released today :)
[01:19] <ExInFiNite> o.k
[01:19] <Curalton> latest
[01:19] <lonewolff> yes, assumeing you have a 32 bit processor
[01:19] <ExInFiNite> so i do not need ubuntu to install kubuntu?
[01:19] <ExInFiNite> yes
[01:19] <ExInFiNite> P4
[01:19] <Curalton> or you can use the torrent
[01:20] <lonewolff> no kubutu, is ubuntu with kde instead of gnome
[01:20] <ExInFiNite> which is better and more speeder?
[01:20] <Curalton> equal to me
[01:20] <lonewolff> it is all a matter of personal taste really
[01:20] <ExInFiNite> i'll use torrent then
[01:20] <ExInFiNite> save the server bandwidth
[01:20] <ExInFiNite> u all from asia?
[01:21] <Curalton> europe her
[01:21] <Curalton> e
[01:21] <ExInFiNite> cause i try to get support since yesterday morning on installing linux from forums and irc
[01:21] <ExInFiNite> most of them are asleep
[01:21] <Curalton> ah, timezone trouble
[01:22] <ExInFiNite> yup
[01:22] <ExInFiNite> i tried installing mandrake
[01:22] <ExInFiNite> faile
[01:22] <ExInFiNite> failed
[01:22] <Curalton> very new pc?
[01:22] <ExInFiNite> not really new
[01:22] <nydust> what is the easy's way to install an printer on a windows nettwork? can i install some 3part apps to emulate the unix shareing system?
[01:22] <ExInFiNite> P4 3.8ghz
[01:23] <ExInFiNite> 2gb ram
[01:23] <lonewolff> nydust: you can samba share a printer, or print to a windows shared printer
[01:23] <ExInFiNite> 120+120+120+36gb HDD
[01:23] <lonewolff> depending on whether you connect the printer to a linux box or a windows box
[01:24] <nydust> lonewolff, i cant get my unix box to connect to the printer, i do find it but i get client error all the time 
[01:24] <lonewolff> that is strange, are you using cups?
[01:24] <nydust> lonewolff, the printer are shared on a window network. Windows 2000 pro and shared. 
[01:25] <nydust> lonewolff, yeah cups
[01:25] <lonewolff> it should be as simple as going into cups and adding a samba printer. choosing the corect printer model and then printing
[01:25] <lonewolff> do you have any firewalls on the windows box?
[01:26] <nydust> I know when i am adding the printer to other windows clients i ave to logg inn on the computer and install the printer from the windows nettwork search tool.
[01:26] <nydust> lonewolff, no firewall. i have tryed to add a samba printer
[01:27] <lonewolff> hmm it should work
[01:27] <lonewolff> are there any user controlls on who can print or anything like that?
[01:28] <nydust> i know, maybe i have to configure the win box.. but it works with other clients.
[01:28] <lonewolff> if its a shared printer it should 'just work' with the smb printer stuff in cups
[01:32] <nydust> lonewolff, i have even turned off the need for user and pass to logg on the computer
[01:32] <nydust> lonewolff, i have followed the guide at debian.org. but get som errors. 
[01:32] <nydust> seems like some problems with seeing who am trying to connect
[01:32] <nydust> i get anno connection but not user
[01:32] <nydust> thats way i thinked about a software that emulates the unix printer sharing. 
[01:32] <nydust> maybee somtheing like that works
[01:32] <nydust> lonewolff, are ubuntu under heavy updates? cause my update maneger ask me to update all the time.. i am using hoary
[01:33] <lonewolff> hoary is a development release so things are being added and changed ready for release
[01:33] <lonewolff> hmmm, i dont know anything about username/pass issues  i just let everyone on the network print to the samba printer
[01:34] <nydust> lonewolff, i do too, but i think my setup are strange. 
[01:34] <nydust> lonewolff, any good howtos for ubuntu?
[01:34] <lonewolff> im sure there must be a solution somewhere ...
[01:35] <lonewolff> howto's for samba printers?
[01:35] <lonewolff> gimme a second
[01:36] <lonewolff> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-10659.html
[01:36] <lonewolff> that looks quite promising
[01:36] <nydust> thanks
[01:37] <nydust> i will see on it tomorrow.. I am not on that nettwork now. 
[01:37] <ExInFiNite> :)
[01:37] <lonewolff> have fun with that
[01:37] <nydust> thanks alot of the help....
[01:38] <ExInFiNite> wow
[01:38] <ExInFiNite> thats alot of typing
[01:39] <ExInFiNite> is my system compatible with linux?
[01:42] <lonewolff> it should be, you may find some hardware is a bit iffy under linux, but mostly everything should work
[01:42] <ExInFiNite> abit Fatal1ty AA8XE with intel "presscot" 3.8ghz (Engineer test chip)
[01:42] <ExInFiNite> 2GB of DDR2 533
[01:43] <lonewolff> yeah it will run on mostly anything
[01:43] <ExInFiNite> ATI X800XT
[01:43] <lonewolff> as i say it may be things like wireless networking or modems that are more tricky to get working
[01:43] <ExInFiNite> o.k
[01:43] <ExInFiNite> well
[01:43] <ExInFiNite> i'm gonna install on my raptor disk
[01:43] <ExInFiNite> wouldn't be a problem right?
[01:43] <ExInFiNite> no xtra drivers needed?
[01:44] <treke> hehe the ati might be trouble :)
[01:44] <ExInFiNite> :S
[01:44] <closure> how do i make my clock not in 24 hour format
[01:44] <closure> ?
[01:44] <ExInFiNite> lonewolff what ati u are using?
[01:44] <treke> actually I'd be inclined to say the ati card will be trouble :)
[01:44] <treke> since i've been sitting here trying to make an x300 work for a while
[01:45] <closure> my ati card does not work at all
[01:45] <ExInFiNite> :S
[01:45] <lonewolff> i have a *goes to check* ati mobility m7 grpahics card
[01:45] <ExInFiNite> well i still got a ati9600XT laying around
[01:45] <treke> that's a 7500 iirc
[01:46] <treke> ExInFiNite: 2d support will probably work fine out of the box, it did for me
[01:46] <ExInFiNite> hurmm...
[01:46] <ExInFiNite> when i tried to installed mandrake
[01:46] <ExInFiNite> it did auto detect my card
[01:47] <ExInFiNite> radeon gfx something something
[01:47] <treke> few distros ship with the proprietary drivers
[01:47] <treke> mandrake probably uses the open 2d only driver like ubuntu does
[01:47] <Bicchi> can i still install kde after i have installed ubuntu? I was thinking of instaling ubuntu first so that i can also have gnome
[01:47] <blenderhead> yes
[01:47] <lonewolff> Suse ships with the 3d drivers from ati but thats the only one i know of
[01:47] <ExInFiNite> yes u can!
[01:47] <treke> you can install kuuntu and install gnome later
[01:48] <treke> or ubuntu and install kde later
[01:48] <ExInFiNite> so u guys tried ati site for support?
[01:48] <treke> lonewolff: yeah they were the ones I was thinking of
[01:48] <lonewolff> but because of the way they work they ship with lots of stuff, which is quite handy lol
[01:48] <Bicchi> treke: so the order does not matter at all. but what about configuring it so that its the default?
[01:49] <treke> Bicchi: that's not particularly important, you just choose which one you want at the login screen
[01:49] <ExInFiNite> so u guys know how to install the drivers for kubuntu ati 3d cards
[01:50] <lonewolff> right time for some sleep night all
[01:50] <Bicchi> treke: oh ok. how would i know what software is available for download? like with apt-get
[01:50] <ExInFiNite> treke u gonna sleep too?
[01:51] <treke> At some point I probably will, but that will have to wait until it's night time
[01:51] <treke> Bicchi: There is a graphical package manager somewhere
[01:52] <dominik> kynaptic
[01:52] <Bicchi> so that list all available software?
[01:52] <treke> it should
[01:53] <ExInFiNite> treke u gonna sleep too?
[01:53] <treke> no.
[01:54] <ExInFiNite> where ya from
[01:55] <Bicchi> i guess right now ubuntu and kubuntu are on preview mode for version 5.04, but when is the official release?
[01:55] <dominik> April 4th
[01:56] <dominik> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[01:56] <apokryphos> 6th
[01:56] <dominik> oh, ok
[01:56] <apokryphos> it's changed? 
[01:56] <Flonne> 8th*
[01:56] <Riddell> it's 6th
[01:56] <Bicchi> thanks
[01:56] <apokryphos> oh... nope, gone forward
[01:57] <Riddell> oh gosh, so it has
[01:57] <apokryphos> longer freeze period?
[01:57] <treke> was moved forward to account for the gnome 2.10.1 release or whatever the new version is
[01:57] <apokryphos> ah
[01:58] <Flonne> I'm wondering how that can be frozen in two days...
[01:58] <Bicchi> but is kubuntu also holding its release day? since it does not uses gnome?
[01:58] <apokryphos> Bicchi: I'm quite sure it will. It's still Hoary.
[01:58] <Flonne> The two projects will release together, Bicchi.
[01:58] <Riddell> hmm, we could release on 6th and beat them to it :)
[01:58] <treke> thttp://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-March/006250.html
[01:58] <Bicchi> so the only difference between the 2 is just the kde vs gnome. The old time argument.
[01:59] <Flonne> Watch as Kubuntu's popularity suddenly spikes on distrowatch...
[01:59] <apokryphos> Bicchi: well, different default setup -- yes.
[01:59] <Flonne> Basically, yeah, Bicchi.
[01:59] <apokryphos> Flonne: don't listen to Distrowatch ;-). It means close to nothing.
[01:59] <Flonne> But their core design is the same.
[01:59] <Flonne> Distrowatch is always a fun thing to laugh at.
[02:00] <Bicchi> by the way, how does one does a kernel upgrade with k/ubuntu? is it easy?
[02:00] <Flonne> Yes, it's easy.
[02:00] <Flonne> Just let apt/Synaptic/Kynaptic download and install the new kernel package then reboot.
[02:00] <Flonne> +comma
[02:01] <Bicchi> so i do not have to play with config files or symlinks?
[02:02] <Flonne> Nope.
[02:02] <Flonne> If you really want to, you can (ideally) avoid the command line altogether.
[02:03] <Bicchi> thats great. i guess i will give it a try once the official release is out. i allready tried the live cd and detects all my hardware.
[02:03] <Bicchi> the live cd was slow compare to mandrakemove or knoppix
[02:04] <apokryphos> Bicchi: Interesting; trying it out yesterday.. I thought the exact opposite
[02:04] <Flonne> Yes, it is quite slow.
[02:04] <Flonne> Compared to Knoppix, anyway.
[02:04] <apokryphos> slow at starting up, reasonably, while it opened up though I was really quite surprised by the speed
[02:04] <Flonne> (And a few others I know of.)
[02:04] <Flonne> Well, yeah.
[02:05] <Flonne> Its execution speed was fine, but it clearly wasn't intended for the same purpose as other LiveCDs.
[02:05] <Flonne> It's more like a demo disc.
[02:05] <Bicchi> i guess
[02:05] <Bicchi> plus a bunch of prompts when loading
[02:05] <dominik> will there be a bootsplash or something to make the boot process more appealing for the user?
[02:06] <Bicchi> load time took more than 4 minutes on an amd64 3500
[02:07] <Bicchi> once i install ubuntu, do i need to get the gcc or does it come with the installation?
[02:07] <moominski> wots the command to install tar files
[02:08] <treke> tar files as a general rule aren't installable
[02:08] <moominski> wy is that?
[02:09] <treke> tar -xjf or -xzf will usually extract them depending on how they are compressed.
[02:09] <apokryphos> How many people here knew that dear Linus uses KDE? ;-)
[02:09] <treke> then there is usually a README file to describe how to install the contents if it is a program.
[02:11] <verden01> Hi
[02:12] <moominski> konqueror keeps on crashin on me any ideas 
[02:19] <oXeN> can you install from the kbuntu live cd?
[02:19] <Riddell> oXeN: don't think so
[02:20] <oXeN> thx
[02:21] <apokryphos> oXeN: Not yet; they're thinking of adding that feature soon, I believe, though.
[02:22] <treke> I suspect a significant problem would be fitting packages and the os on one cd :)
[02:22] <treke> maybe a net install would work
[02:24] <oXeN> i am d/ling the install file now
[02:24] <oXeN> i am tired of trying to get gentoo to recognize my network card after 3 days
[02:24] <oXeN> is it stable?
[02:25] <apokryphos> oXeN: Very, yes. Official is coming out on the 8th.
[02:26] <oXeN> cool will be it be easy to upgrade from this realase candidate to stable?
[02:26] <apokryphos> Yup; you can just apt-get dist-upgrade. Glory of debian-based systems. :)
[02:26] <oXeN> cool makes me feel even better about it :)
[02:26] <smouche> evening-- folks, kubuntu won't let me add new users
[02:26] <verden01> is it stable?  Yeah it works great on my AMD64 system and is the only distro so far to trecognise ALL of my hardware :)
[02:27] <smouche> I keep getting this message from KDE User Manager:
[02:27] <oXeN> verden01: cool
[02:27] <apokryphos> verden01: No problem with that here. You using useradd in command line?
[02:27] <smouche> Cannot create home folder for <user>: it is null or empty.
[02:27] <apokryphos> sorry, that was to you smouche 
[02:27] <verden01> ?
[02:27] <apokryphos> verden01: should have been addressed to smouche instead.
[02:28] <smouche> no, apokryphos , I'm using the gui tool. 
[02:28] <verden01> i'm using xchat??
[02:28] <apokryphos> smouche: whereabouts is that?
[02:28] <smouche> Not knowing the commands I need, I naively I suppose figure that's what the gui apps are for. to let me do these things without a cli
[02:28] <apokryphos> Well, of course. :)
[02:29] <smouche> apokryphos, menu- system-user manager
[02:29] <smouche> (Kuser)
[02:29] <smouche> It takes my password, lets me put in info, but then I get that message
[02:31] <smouche> oh hell, let me look at the help file on it.  Maybe I'm missing something.  This wasn't a problem in gnome.
[02:31] <apokryphos> smouche: it works fine here -- made the home directory.
[02:32] <smouche> aaaargh, now it crashed on me...
[02:33] <smouche> Weird, it can't set the home directory, but it adds the user anyway, then when I try to edit the user , it crashes
[02:33] <verden01> oXeN, have you used debian b4?
[02:33] <smouche> actually, konqueror and kate krash on me konstantly too.
[02:33] <apokryphos> Can't re-create that; works fine here, really. I Created smouche :P
[02:33] <apokryphos> odd
[02:34] <moominski> yeah konqueror hates me
[02:35] <smouche> Well, treat smouche well for me apokryphos -- ;-)  thanks for trying!  I'll read up and try again from the cli...
[02:35] <moominski> ive seen some pics of peoples desktop and they have like a performance moniter how do i get that??
[02:35] <apokryphos> smouche: well, reasonably well. He's deleted. :P
[02:36] <treke> eeew kedit is the new default editor?
[02:36] <apokryphos> moominski: you mean CPU info etc? 
[02:36] <apokryphos> moominski: superkaramba
[02:36] <moominski> yes m8
[02:36] <moominski> how do i get it m8
[02:36] <apokryphos> moominski: same place you will be getting 99.9% things from: the repositories. :)
[02:37] <moominski> whers is that im still having trouble remembering things
[02:38] <verden01> moominski, : sudo apt-get install superkaramba
[02:38] <moominski> omg 
[02:38] <moominski> im so dumb
[02:39] <apokryphos> or you can use KPackage (or Kynaptic)
[02:39] <moominski> ok cool its installing
[02:39] <smouche> apokryphos, I think I got it -- problem was, aside from the crashing, I hadn't noticed that the uid kept resetting itself to 0 -- the same as root.  I put in another number and it accepted it.  It seems to me it should fill in some of those fields for us with reasonable defaults...
[02:39] <verden01> :-)
[02:40] <smouche> can I ask apokryphos , or anyone, is there a quick way through useradd to "clone" a user-- just to quickly create a user with (almost) exactly the same groups, permissions etc as another?
[02:42] <delltony> anyone here use dvd::rip by chance?
[02:42] <apokryphos> smouche: Not sure; never really used the GUI option for it. Though, there aren't many things to alter... 
[02:42] <apokryphos> smouche: never tried it, but copying over .kde would get you your kde settings with the new user.
[02:43] <smouche> hmm- that's interesting, apokryphos -- I didn't think of that, I mean i didn't suppose that permissions were stored in there...
[02:44] <smouche> I've gotta lot to learnnnnnnn
[02:44] <apokryphos> They're not. :)
[02:45] <apokryphos> Only your KDE settings etc. are stored in there
[02:45] <apokryphos> some more stuff stored in .config
[02:47] <smouche> so far the man for useradd makes more sense than the kuser gui... Sometimes I think I should ditch the pretty interface altogether, go on a bread and water diet, park myself in front of a terminal and learn *nix from the bottom up...
[02:47] <smouche> (and use my windows box for everything else...!)
[02:48] <smouche> thanks apokryphos - I'm logging in to the new luser to see if he's breathing...
[02:59] <moominski>  xmmsctrl-1.8.tar.gz how do i install this file??
[03:00] <moominski> i just grasp it yet plz help
[03:00] <verden01> i notice that gkrellm isn't available for kubuntu can anyone suggest another program 
[03:02] <Riddell> verden01: what does it do?
[03:02] <Riddell> gkrellm is in universe but ksysguard might do something similar
[03:03] <moominski> any1 got a link for learning how to install .tar.gz files
[03:03] <verden01> cool i'll have a look
[03:03] <Riddell> moominski: open in Ark, extract to whereever you want to
[03:04] <moominski> right, ok is it installed
[03:06] <delltony> hey riddell hows it going man ?
[03:06] <Riddell> delltony: groovy
[03:06] <delltony> i feel you man
[03:06] <delltony> nice spring weather here
[03:07] <delltony> all the cute gals running around half naked
[03:07] <delltony> gotta love it :)
[03:07] <LeeJunFan> delltony: I hate it when people only finish 1/2 the job too.
[03:07] <Riddell> kinday dreich here but my girlfriend is cute enough for me :)
[03:07] <delltony> my girlfriend is cute too but girls are like a lays potatoe chip to me
[03:07] <delltony> i can't just eat one :)
[03:08] <verden01> maybe i haven't added the universe repository correctly 
[03:08] <Riddell> verden01: what did you do?
[03:08] <LeeJunFan> yeah, except the other lays chips don't get jealous and sever your winky :)
[03:09] <verden01> well i just went to the repositories in synaptic and  ticked the box with universe in it
[03:10] <Riddell> verden01: maybe you have to do the update somehow (I'm not a synaptic user)
[03:10] <delltony> oh while i'm thinking about it whats a good windows emulation program that is free? i have heard of quem but i can't figure it out to save my life. and i'm not really wanting a virtual machine jus twanting to run certain programs like dvdshrink and so on but wine alone will not do it. it constantly crashes
[03:10] <verden01> k
[03:11] <Riddell> welcome pepsi 
[03:11] <pepsi> hi
[03:15] <verden01> or maybe the Australian mirror hasn't got all the packages??
[03:18] <LeeJunFan> man, just when I thought I'd seen all the wierd IRC nicks.
[03:18] <Flonne> Indeed.
[03:20] <verden01> what nick was that?
[03:21] <smouche> well, I'm about ready to fuhgeddabout it; linux is getting to be too time-consuming to get it to do what I want.  Now I'm getting DCopServer errors when logging in to a new user, or I can't add users at all... f&88(ing irritating.
[03:22] <smouche> sorry, ventig
[03:22] <smouche> -venting-
[03:23] <LeeJunFan> verden01: pepsi is now known as papsmear
[03:23] <papsmear> hi
[03:23] <verden01> hahahaha
[03:23] <verden01> thats different  lol
[03:24] <verden01> smouche, linux IS definately worth the effort, just take a break man and come back to it
[03:25] <LeeJunFan> smouche: it's just because you are used to something else.
[03:26] <verden01> once you get a good debain distro working well you don't need much else
[03:27] <Bicchi> i am now tring to live cd but the screen resolution is 1024x768 when i had selected 1600x1200 which is ok in windows. why?
[03:27] <smouche> not true, LeeJunFan.  In this case it's because of poor documentation, confusing and/or buggy interfaces, etc ad nauseum, all of which I am very "used to", courtesy of windows.  I think that's the problem -- yeah, of course linux is better than windows.  So what?  That's not a very high standard.
[03:28] <smouche> heh heh, venting again.
[03:28] <LeeJunFan> smouche: what kind of documentation did you get with windows?
[03:29] <LeeJunFan> smouche: and btw - you are running a devel version are you not?
[03:30] <smouche> lousy documentation, LeeJunFan.  So what?  I've already been through windows hell; adding linux hell to it too is seeming a bit masochistic.  I think I should throw in the towel, put my old pentium back together and install BeOs personal edition. No fuss, no muss, best (dead) operating system ever.  Even non geeks like me could get it working.  All that and a ten-second boot.
[03:30] <apokryphos> back
[03:30] <LeeJunFan> smouche: I was once just like you. I thought unix was 60's technology that should have went out with bellbottoms.
[03:31] <apokryphos> Guys, I'm thinking of going back to GNOME. Ubuntu features on it are really too much to ignore
[03:31] <apokryphos> (really)
[03:31] <smouche> LeeJunFan, development edition or not, it seems to me something as basic as adding a fucking user!  should be trivial with linux.  User admin is where linux is supposed to be most at home!
[03:31] <calc> apokryphos: which ubuntu features for it?
[03:31] <apokryphos> Was comparing the general usability and accessibility structure of the two distros, and KDE is quite lacking
[03:32] <calc> really the only thing i have noticed has been the menu layout change and the autoupdate applet, i must be missing something
[03:32] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: where?
[03:32] <apokryphos> calc: The ones mentioned there, and other general things that would put users off
[03:32] <calc> apokryphos: oh yea kde is teh sux0r
[03:32] <apokryphos> The difference in menu strecture and general feel; there's no overuse of GUI options everywhere
[03:32] <smouche> apokryphos, it's simultaneously astonishing and somehow not surprising to hear you say that!  'cause I know how much you like kubuntu.  But I was thinking the same thing.  
[03:33] <calc> LeeJunFan: /me likes a lot of ideas kde has but not their execution
[03:33] <apokryphos> Seem that the GNOME structure aims more to the workflow for the given program, while KDE wants to get more options in there
[03:33] <calc> hmm how did that nickcomplete happen
[03:33] <LeeJunFan> hehe
[03:33] <Bicchi> I am now tring the kubuntu live cd but the screen resolution is 1024x768 when i had selected 1600x1200 during setup. Can i change it to 1600x1200?
[03:34] <verden01> apokryphos, why don't yujust install gnome ubuntu-desktop and have the best of both worlds?
[03:34] <apokryphos> verden01: I know it's possible, but I'm more talking about the conversion here. 
[03:35] <LeeJunFan> when you have dual ubuntu and kubuntu desktops installed how is switching between gdm and kdm handled, update-alternatives ?
[03:35] <calc> Bicchi: should be able to, you may have to modify the xorg.conf though
[03:35] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[03:35] <smouche> well, I wish I could magically merge the two.  Gnome gave me problems with my Samba network, and my hardware; kde krashes konstantly...
[03:35] <Bicchi> calc: where is that file located?
[03:35] <calc> apokryphos: erm isn't that the real way to do it?
[03:35] <smouche> heh, I think maybe I'm an xfce kind of guy anyway...
[03:36] <LeeJunFan> I must be the lucky one or something, I haven' had any issues with kde crashing.
[03:36] <calc> Bicchi: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:36] <Bicchi> calc: do i also need to reboot. remember that this is a live cd. not an installation
[03:36] <apokryphos> calc: to do what, sorry?
[03:36] <calc> apokryphos: change which *dm you want to use... dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[03:36] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: haha
[03:36] <apokryphos> calc: Yeah, you can do it like that. There's another way, but I forget.
[03:36] <calc> or was the april fools joke something else ;)
[03:36] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: really, I've got a vein here.. looks kinda like a K.
[03:37] <apokryphos> calc: yeah, it was about my non-conversion to GNOME. :P
[03:37] <calc> ah
[03:37] <smouche> well, I'm running hoary on an amd64, so maybe my cpu is spastic or something.  And I could probably use more than 512 megs ram.
[03:37] <LeeJunFan> Bicchi: right click your desktop -> configure desktop - > display   / and see if you can change it there.
[03:37] <apokryphos> I've gotta do it with a few kde-ers that know me better; that'll give them a nice shock. :P
[03:37] <calc> well really i switched back after a long absence
[03:38] <apokryphos> calc: Heretic! Why? :P
[03:38] <LeeJunFan> smouche: I ran on amd64 for a while, but ended up going to 386 for need of vmware :(
[03:38] <apokryphos> heh
[03:38] <smouche> amd64 even makes windowsXP perform respectably.  
[03:38] <smouche> even though its 32 bit
[03:39] <Bicchi> LeeJunFan: no i can't. i only see the 1024x768
[03:39] <calc> winxp pro x64 was supposed to RTM today
[03:39] <smouche> (I am not going to bother with 64 bit windows for a long time.  Talk about asking for bugs...)
[03:39] <apokryphos> Here's an even greater April non-fool's: I forgot the days in March. :D
[03:39] <randabis> lol
[03:39] <apokryphos> Oh boy; I really should retire to my bed.
[03:40] <LeeJunFan> I wish I could understand why openoffice wont' compile on amd64, I mean when the source is right in front of the developers trying to compile it... hrm.
[03:40] <randabis> I wish konqueror would play some friggin' flash :p
[03:40] <calc> apokryphos: maintaining kde for 3 years makes you very aware of its deficiencies ;)
[03:40] <apokryphos> calc: any examples?
[03:40] <LeeJunFan> randabis: works for me on 386.
[03:40] <calc> apokryphos: its developers ;)
[03:41] <apokryphos> calc: hey! The devs are great. :)
[03:41] <calc> they are just a bit crazy
[03:41] <randabis> LeeJunFan, it won't work for me, and I have no idea why...I'm pointing it to the plugins correctly, but it will not cooperate
[03:41] <apokryphos> Some are, undoubtedly. amaroK ones are personal favourites.
[03:41] <calc> like requiring unreleased software for new official kde releases among other things
[03:41] <apokryphos> Check the "About > Authors" in amaroK
[03:41] <smouche> Vast improvement in kde anyway with the new version.
[03:41] <calc> heh
[03:42] <calc> yea i hear they finally got rid of that horrible default theme
[03:42] <apokryphos> calc: like what things?
[03:42] <LeeJunFan> randabis: what if you type "about:plugins" in konq - do you see flash listed?
[03:42] <apokryphos> calc: Yup; it's Plastik, now.
[03:42] <randabis> LeeJunFan, just java is listed
[03:43] <smouche> Plastik is much better.  Man, kde used to be damned ugly by default
[03:43] <randabis> I use baghira :p
[03:43] <LeeJunFan> randabis: well - for some reason it isn't seeing the path or something. you went into konq settings and put the plugin dir where flash is? did you also scan for new plugins?
[03:44] <randabis> yes, I did both of those things
[03:44] <calc> apokryphos: like gnupg 2.x
[03:44] <smouche> I still hate the bouncing cursors.  Turned those off first thing.  And they need to set anti-aliasing by default.
[03:44] <LeeJunFan> randabis: I would say the dir is maybe typo'ed or missing a file.
[03:44] <calc> apokryphos: and a unreleased rdesktop
[03:44] <randabis> LeeJunFan, triple checked for mispellings, and the plugins work in mozilla suite
[03:44] <calc> there were other annoying things that i have since forgotten
[03:44] <calc> like the inability to run make clean on a kde source dir
[03:44] <calc> well i tried to forget that evil thing ;)
[03:44] <apokryphos> calc: I have no idea about those, but I've never had a problem resolving dependencies for KDE. 
[03:45] <randabis> I have it set to scan for plugins at 
[03:45] <randabis> ~/.mozilla/plugins
[03:45] <randabis> and
[03:45] <randabis> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[03:45] <apokryphos> randabis: Still that evil issue, eh?
[03:46] <LeeJunFan> randabis: any chance you have old ones laying around in another dir? I did that once. Had incompatible flashes installed - one in ~/.mozilla/plugins another in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[03:46] <calc> apokryphos: well installing debs is different than making those debs ;)
[03:46] <apokryphos> calc: I was talking about compiling, but yeah. :P
[03:46] <calc> oh yea :)
[03:46] <smouche> I'm glad I saved a couple of partitions on here.  Gonna give gnome a try again, what the hell.  Prefer not to mix the two though, too confusing for a noob...
[03:46] <apokryphos> smouche: different partition for GNOME? 
[03:46] <calc> you can compile kde with a much more limited set of depends than what you need for a full featured kde
[03:46] <randabis> LeeJunFan, they are the same flashes. It's only been installed once
[03:47] <smouche> New hoary install for multiboot, yes apokryphos ...
[03:47] <LeeJunFan> randabis: once again I find myself without a clue :)
[03:47] <randabis> omg
[03:47] <apokryphos> smouche: No real point... it's *very* easy to change between G and K; just a simple logout/login.
[03:47] <randabis> it found it this time
[03:47] <randabis> I think I know why
[03:47] <randabis> it didn't like ~
[03:47] <apokryphos> smouche: are you running Kubuntu now? No Gnome installation, that is?
[03:47] <calc> so really the only negative part was that they released new software people would probably end up wanting that couldn't run without an unreleased dependency to build against
[03:47] <randabis> so I changed it to /home/randabis
[03:47] <randabis> and now it finds it
[03:47] <smouche> Yes to the last question apokryphos 
[03:47] <apokryphos> randabis: =)
[03:47] <LeeJunFan> randabis: I think it has to be $HOME.
[03:48] <smouche> I had gnome hoary before, different computer.
[03:48] <apokryphos> smouche: just sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop; that will get you all the GNOME stuff
[03:48] <randabis> coolness
[03:48] <randabis> thanks again
[03:48] <apokryphos> smouche: then, you can just logout, change Session part and login to Gnome.
[03:48] <smouche> ok, apokryphos , but what's confusing to me is, which is controlling the display? 
[03:48] <smouche> isn 't one xorg, the other xfree whatever it is... ?
[03:49] <apokryphos> smouche: not the same. That's what X you're using. They both use the same one.
[03:49] <apokryphos> xorg
[03:49] <apokryphos> If you're talking about display managers -- yeah, they each have one, and you can use either. 
[03:50] <apokryphos> Display manager is just the Graphical stuff that appears before you login, that's all. 
[03:50] <smouche> really?  I was sure they were using different configs-- xfreeconfig (something like that) for gnome, and xorgconfig(?) for kde...
[03:50] <randabis> hmm
[03:50] <apokryphos> smouche: Nope. :)
[03:50] <randabis> no sound...but I think I know why
[03:50] <apokryphos> In hoary, they both use xorg
[03:50] <randabis> I don't have arts, and kinda don't want to install it again
[03:50] <randabis> I wonder if konqueror can use alsa direct
[03:51] <apokryphos> randabis: It's not completely supported, but kind of possible in theory. You'd have to change your sound manager in kcontrol
[03:51] <smouche> ok-- thanks, apokryphos -- anyway, I did that before with xfce, just logged in and out from gnome to xfce, very cool. I'll do that.  
[03:51] <apokryphos> smouche: :)
[03:52] <smouche> gonna end up with some interestingly bloated menus, though, I bet...
[03:52] <apokryphos> randabis: they're thinking of having it totally sorted for kde 4.0
[03:52] <apokryphos> smouche: You can, of course, edit them to your liking. ;-)
[03:52] <smouche> heh heh, kate is cute, but gedit is less tempermental!
[03:52] <apokryphos> Though personally I never use the menu
[03:53] <apokryphos> Alt-F2 sorts it all out :P
[03:53] <randabis> apokryphos, what would I change it to?
[03:53] <randabis> it's currently set to alsa
[03:53] <smouche> well, apokryphos , I can easily edit the kde ones - though I got the distinct impression that gnome doesn't want no fools messin' with their menus!  ;-)
[03:54] <apokryphos> randabis: is that the command for the alsa sound stuff, though?
[03:54] <apokryphos> randabis: I thought it was alsaplayer
[03:54] <apokryphos> smouche: Kind of; there are problems with those versions of gnome, but you can get around them.
[03:54] <randabis> in kcontrol, the audio device is set to alsa
[03:54] <apokryphos> smouche: there's a good link on the wiki
[03:55] <randabis> I haven't had to deal with alsaplayer or anything
[03:55] <apokryphos> randabis: are you in Sound & M > System Notifications?
[03:55] <apokryphos> then, from there -- Player Settings
[03:55] <smouche> does gnome stand for Gui Not Offering Menu Editor?  at least I couldn't find one...
[03:56] <randabis> apokryphos, no I was in sound system
[03:56] <randabis> now I'm in notifications
[03:56] <apokryphos> smouche: there isn't one, but you can get around it with some things.
[03:56] <LeeJunFan> smouche: HAHAH
[03:56] <apokryphos> randabis: how would you set it to alsa from there, anyhow? :P
[03:56] <LeeJunFan> like vi
[03:57] <apokryphos> randabis: though, thinking about it I'm not sure if this has a direct affect on konqueror
[03:57] <randabis> S & M --> Sound System --> hardware
[03:57] <randabis> it says select the audio device
[03:57] <apokryphos> i.e. my sound system is completely turned off in kcontrol, but I hear sounds in konqueror; i.e. flash stuff
[03:57] <randabis> I have it set to alsa
[03:57] <delltony> anyone here know how to get transcode to install? the repositories or something are jacked cause it has dependency issues and they can't be found
[03:58] <randabis> it gives me the option to use esd
[03:58] <apokryphos> oh, right.
[03:58] <randabis> I might give that a try since I use polypaudio in gnome...
[03:58] <apokryphos> randabis: so the issue is that  you're not getting sound in konqi?
[03:58] <smouche> kde's panels are better (better transparency, they hide better, etc) but I like the gnome drawers.  They're like my apartment.  Just shove everything in a drawer and fuhgeddabout it...
[03:58] <randabis> apokryphos, correct...flash stuff anyway
[03:59] <ExInFiNite> need help in partitioning
[04:00] <ExInFiNite> treke u there?
[04:00] <smouche> thanks for the tips, apokryphos!  see ya
[04:00] <apokryphos> smouche: no problem :)
[04:00] <ExInFiNite> need help in partitioning
[04:00] <apokryphos> randabis: I think the idea that it's controlled by kcontrol might be ruled out by the fact that turning it off completely still lets sounds get through
[04:00] <apokryphos> ExInFiNite: what's the problem?
[04:00] <randabis> apokryphos, hmmm...
[04:00] <ExInFiNite> i duuno how to 
[04:00] <ExInFiNite> i'm running windows at the moment
[04:00] <apokryphos> ExInFiNite: qtparted is what you wanna go for
[04:01] <ExInFiNite> i got c,d,e,f partition
[04:01] <apokryphos> ExInFiNite: PartitionMagic is the most popular Windoze partition prog
[04:01] <ExInFiNite> so i need to partition it b4 i install?
[04:01] <apokryphos> ExInFiNite: install Ubuntu? Yes, I think so -- I don't think it has a partitioning tool (I could be wrong).
[04:02] <ExInFiNite> well
[04:02] <apokryphos> you'd have to format as ext3 some time or later
[04:02] <ExInFiNite> to what format?
[04:02] <apokryphos> This is essentially what you should go for:
[04:02] <LeeJunFan> ExInFiNite: don't format from windows. You just have to leave some unpartitioned space.
[04:02] <apokryphos> One / (root) partition -- where all the programs will go to. One /home partition (all "your" stuff), and one SWAP drive. For swap.
[04:02] <ExInFiNite> u mean delete that partion?
[04:02] <apokryphos> Yes
[04:03] <ExInFiNite> that will be 3?
[04:03] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: can the install CD format the unpartitioned space/
[04:03] <LeeJunFan> ExInFiNite: yeah, or at least just get everything out of it you want to save. You can delete/format it during install. There is partitioning tool in ubuntu setup, but it can't shrink partitions.
[04:03] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: yep.
[04:03] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: I mean, to a different type; ext3
[04:03] <apokryphos> Ok, cool.
[04:04] <ExInFiNite> thank
[04:04] <ExInFiNite> i'm gonna try it now
[04:04] <ExInFiNite> cya
[04:04] <apokryphos> Bye
[04:05] <LeeJunFan> Yeah partition isn't bad it allows you to select ext2/3 XFS, JFS, etc... you can delete any existing partition and make new ones in the unpartitioned space, make your / and other partitions, format and away you go.
[04:06] <apokryphos> nice
[04:07] <LeeJunFan> I do have to hand it to Mandrake for their partition tool, but that's the only thing I miss about that distro. :)
[04:07] <LeeJunFan> Mandrake can even shrink your windows FS's to make room for linux.
[04:07] <apokryphos> Fedora one wasn't too bad, though I don't recall whether it was possible to resize partitions
[04:07] <apokryphos> heh
[04:08] <apokryphos> Mandrake didn't scare me back to Windoze -- which is definitely a big plus.
[04:08] <randabis> okay, got sound in flash now
[04:09] <apokryphos> for anyone bored: install tuxeyes 
[04:09] <randabis> konqueror is good to go
[04:09] <apokryphos> randabis: cool; what did you do?
[04:09] <LeeJunFan> randabis: artsdsp?
[04:09] <randabis> installed arts and used artsdsp
[04:09] <apokryphos> ah
[04:09] <randabis> no biggie
[04:10] <randabis> I think arts might be helpful for another problem I was having with recording
[04:11] <randabis> brb
[04:11] <randabis> I'm gonna setup konversation 
[04:11] <randabis> I'm aiming for all qt here :p
[04:11] <apokryphos> an excellent choice ;-)
[04:12] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: you all qt?
[04:12] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: not quite; use Azureus and Limewire
[04:12] <apokryphos> GIMP on the quite rare occassion. Apart from that: yeah.
[04:13] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: what IRC client you use?
[04:13] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: hey, what's wrong with konvi. :P
[04:13] <apokryphos> Konversation
[04:13] <apokryphos> bah; /amarok script not working again :P
[04:13] <randabis> cool :)
[04:14] <randabis> this is nice
[04:14] <apokryphos> :)
[04:14] <apokryphos> It's really quite nice
[04:14] <randabis> I should find some scripts :)
[04:15] <LeeJunFan> _junfan: what do you think?
[04:16] <randabis> I'm almost all qt now...:p
[04:16] <_junfan> LeeJunFan: well - it looks pretty nice.
[04:16] <apokryphos> :P
[04:16] <apokryphos> Kopete can be used for IRC too, but it's not too good. 
[04:16] <apokryphos> Wasn't made for it, essentially, which is partly why. Still, it's not too bad; usable.
[04:16] <neighborlee> is kubuntu stable at least afa main systems...before I install a bunch of stuff i was hoping to get as close as possible to reality of this...thx anyone ;-))
[04:17] <apokryphos> neighborlee: RC was released today. Official in a few days
[04:17] <neighborlee> hmm then I take that as a yes ;-)
[04:17] <neighborlee> so I should be like 99% safe to use it now <G>
[04:17] <LeeJunFan> ok. I'm goingo to go with this at least for a while :)
[04:18] <apokryphos> neighborlee: Most ubuntu-users have been on Hoary for quite some time; all good, pretty much.
[04:18] <neighborlee> apokryphos,  only reason for asking is I experienced some nasty consistent gnome-panel crashing everyday..so i was just curious....
[04:19] <neighborlee> apokryphos, I did wonder if I had HW problems but xp seems fine and I dont ever recall having issues with warty...shrug
[04:19] <randabis> yeah, I've used hoary for a few months now
[04:19] <apokryphos> Eek; haven't heard of that with anyone...
[04:19] <neighborlee> yeah I'd come upstairs after leaving computer on during night and find unresponsive desktop...although so far..kde has held up MUCH better so I blame gnome
[04:20] <neighborlee> so I feel confident I'll be fine yeah...
[04:20] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: Is there a KDE equivalent of gnucash? Just out of interest.
[04:20] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: not that I've found. But then not that I've really looked either.
[04:20] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: don't see anything like it in koffice suite, so perhaps not.
[04:21] <Riddell> apokryphos: kmymoney2, suspect it's nowhere near as advanced
[04:21] <neighborlee> yeah pretty sure kmyoney2 would be closest match
[04:21] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: I've seen some before but after reading about them realized they just weren't as robust - and that was one of them I read up on.
[04:21] <neighborlee> unless you consider the app by kompany
[04:21] <neighborlee> whatever it is ..dont recall
[04:21] <neighborlee> still nowhere near as featurefuil
[04:21] <LeeJunFan> right. but not free - I think.
[04:22] <neighborlee> yup
[04:22] <carambol> how i make changes in Screen in  xorf file?
[04:22] <LeeJunFan> Not that that really matters. If it was good enough I'd pay for it.
[04:22] <neighborlee> well there is one more...
[04:22] <neighborlee> its java based...hmmmmm
[04:22] <neighborlee> heh
[04:22] <LeeJunFan> neighborlee: I used to use that one.
[04:23] <LeeJunFan> neighborlee: I forget the name but it was pretty good - use it for years.
[04:23] <apokryphos> carambol: you would have to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:23] <apokryphos> carambol: but like it'll be more easy for you to sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:24] <carambol> thats all?
[04:24] <apokryphos> carambol: what is it you're trying to do?
[04:24] <LeeJunFan> kmymoney doesn't look bad, maybe I'll give it a shot and keep 2 sets of books. :) as long as the IRS doesn't find out. heheh
[04:24] <carambol> i have corrected HorizSync an Vert Refresh with te values in the manual
[04:24] <apokryphos> Kmymoney seems to look a lot prettier than gnucash. :P
[04:25] <apokryphos> Not quite sure of its actual performance though
[04:25] <apokryphos> carambol: things such as refresh rate you should be able to enter from the command above, yes.
[04:25] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: yes it does. But if kmymoney makes my account look empty or my accountant slap me that's not good. hehe
[04:25] <apokryphos> Definitely ;-)
[04:26] <neighborlee> LeeJunFan, lol
[04:26] <randabis> whoa
[04:26] <neighborlee> apokryphos, yes..gnucash UI is nasty..they are trying to move to gtk I think ?
[04:26] <randabis> amarok playback is skippy as hell
[04:27] <apokryphos> randabis: works fine with xine engine here
[04:28] <apokryphos> not sure what it's like with gstreamer, as I can't actually do any gstreamer stuff with mine here
[04:28] <randabis> how do you select the xine engine?
[04:28] <randabis> my engine selector has a blank, and then <no-engine>
[04:28] <apokryphos> do you have amarok-xine installed?
[04:29] <randabis> probably not :p
[04:29] <apokryphos> yeah, could just install all amarok-* stuff
[04:29] <neighborlee> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hoary/preview/ < so this one: hoary-install-i386.iso  : is basically the current RC which will be official in few days....assuming the date is off o_0
[04:29] <apokryphos> neighborlee: no :P
[04:30] <neighborlee> well should I use this or the RC
[04:30] <apokryphos> That's the preview release. Go for the release candidate, if anything.
[04:30] <Flonne> The RC is a final testing stage.
[04:30] <neighborlee> url
[04:30] <neighborlee> dain
[04:30] <neighborlee> lol
[04:30] <apokryphos>  /topic
[04:30] <neighborlee> thx
[04:31] <apokryphos> See ya
[04:31] <LeeJunFan> well this sux. apparently gnucash can import qif, but not export it - while kmymoney can do both it doesn't help me switch :)
[04:34] <neighborlee> LeeJunFan, :(
[04:34] <neighborlee> LeeJunFan, very surprising
[04:34] <LeeJunFan> neighborlee: yeah, doesn't seem right.
[04:37] <neighborlee> I kinda miss not having a sound when I hit return LOL
[04:37] <neighborlee> sillly mabye but ...;-0
[04:37] <neighborlee> maybe even...
[04:38] <`1pt-rich> anyone here get the ati drivers working with kubuntu?
[04:38] <verden01> hi claydoh
[04:38] <neighborlee> yeah its a shame but I think best answer for financial in linux lays with wine and quicken and not even that is perfect...gnucash is closest but i'm not sure I trust it....
[04:39] <LeeJunFan> neighborlee: I've been using it for a long time but then I have fairly simple needs. As I wrote my own web based POS system for my ISP using PHP/MySQL, gnucash is really just a check ledger for me.
[04:40] <LeeJunFan> but it is an UGLY one :)
[04:40] <neighborlee> LOL
[04:40] <neighborlee> I just can't believe they chose that ui initiallly....goes to show programmers shouldn't design GUI's LOL
[04:40] <neighborlee> or at least that one ..hahaha
[04:41] <neighborlee> its a overall kewl app but as I say i'm not sure I trust the code with my data..shrug
[04:42] <LeeJunFan> neighborlee: I've never had an ussie with data integrity.
[04:42] <claydoh> hi verden01 
[04:42] <LeeJunFan> neighborlee: haha - but then that could be my dislexia tricking me :) hehe
[04:42] <neighborlee> LeeJunFan, or i'm paranoid
[04:43] <neighborlee> LeeJunFan, over how long a period of time
[04:44] <LeeJunFan> neighborlee: 3/1/2003 is my first entry :)
[04:44] <neighborlee> wow
[04:44] <neighborlee> def. paranoid 
[04:44] <neighborlee> lol
[04:45] <neighborlee> hmm did you use the business side of it at all..invoices and what not ?..I'd be using that as well heavily
[04:45] <LeeJunFan> neighborlee: no I didn't.
[04:45] <neighborlee> np
[04:48] <neighborlee> LeeJunFan, why again did you say your switching...
[04:49] <LeeJunFan> neighborlee: just trying to find a kde/qt solution. To broaden my horizons I guess. :)
[04:49] <neighborlee> ahhhh
[04:50] <neighborlee> yeah understood...the ui really is a bit flat <G>
[04:50] <neighborlee> heh
[04:50] <neighborlee> anyway...time to run...to friends house I go for a bit..cheers and thx for kewl chat everyone <<
[04:50] <LeeJunFan> later.
[04:50] <neighborlee> finishing downoad of kubuntu ..ill be online latre this eve...cheers ::::
[05:34] <ExInFiNite> from console how to i activate KDE..all i see now is console
[05:34] <Flonne> How did you get to the console, ExInFiNite?
[05:35] <ExInFiNite> no idea.
[05:35] <Flonne> Were you just in KDE?
[05:35] <ExInFiNite> nope
[05:35] <ExInFiNite> juz installed
[05:35] <Flonne> Do you have a copy of the LiveCD handy?
[05:36] <ExInFiNite> nope
[05:38] <ExInFiNite> ?
[05:39] <Flonne> Hmm...
[05:39] <Flonne> What kind of video card do you have?
[05:39] <Flonne> I'm guessing the X auto-config may have failed.
[05:39] <ExInFiNite> ati
[05:41] <Flonne> Is this your first time using a Linux distribution?
[05:42] <LeeJunFan> is there anything prettier than gkrellm for monitoring system stuff that actually has options/modules to do it all?
[05:42] <Flonne> LeeJunFan, gDesklets.
[05:43] <Flonne> (But that's just my opinion.)
[05:43] <LeeJunFan> Flonne: thanks, I'll look into it.
[05:44] <Flonne> It requires a number of Gnome libraries.
[05:44] <Flonne> (And I realize this is #kubuntu)
[05:44] <ExInFiNite> Flonne : yes
[05:44] <Flonne> ExInFiNite, what card do you have? (The model)
[05:45] <ExInFiNite> ATI 9600XT
[05:46] <Flonne> Are you in the console now or have you returned to Windows?
[05:46] <ExInFiNite> returned to win32
[05:46] <randabis> LeeJunFan: there's also super karamba
[05:46] <randabis> basically the kde equivalent to gdesklets
[05:46] <LeeJunFan> randabis: Yeah, I mean to try that but kde-look.org was down last night when I wanted to dl some modules :)
[05:47] <randabis> I believe it's back up
[05:47] <Flonne> I'll have to play with that, randabis.
[05:47] <Flonne> ExInFiNite, you might have more luck asking in #ubuntu. I've got no prior ATI experience and I'm not able to look up information right now.
[05:48] <Flonne> Your problem is almost certainly related to a misconfigured xorg.conf file (they'll know what it means), and not KDE.
[05:48] <ExInFiNite> o.k
[05:49] <ExInFiNite> thanks
[06:18] <underlord> whats the best way to create another user account in kubuntu? i have tried kuser, but its unusubly unstable
[06:21] <SpongeBoB> i used Bittorren to download my ISO...after downloading it i burn it on a cd ..it boots...during base system installation...it days base system wasn't able to install..it saw to burn at low speed.but after burning another cd..it still giving me the same error,i did a hash check on the ISO file...
[06:24] <SpongeBoB> hello?
[06:25] <badtz_mark> hi
[06:25] <randabis> bad cds probably
[06:25] <badtz_mark> :(
[06:26] <badtz_mark> but i use two diffrent cd's
[06:26] <randabis> only thing I can suggest is download it through a method other than bittorrent..there are quite a few mirrors
[06:27] <badtz_mark> o.k
[06:27] <badtz_mark> 5.04 is the latest right?
[06:33] <badtz_mark> ?
[06:36] <badtz_mark> kinda slow download if download from the site
[06:39] <randabis> 5.04 release candidate 1 is the latest
[06:41] <Copons> Hi i have a question, is Kubuntu an official part of Ubuntu?
[06:42] <smouche> ah, back on a kubuntu desktop.  what a relief.  just installed gnome, not sure why I bothered.  It's wonderful for some, I'm sure, but God, not for me...
[06:44] <smouche> Copons, that's a good question, and I'm not sure what the relationship is exactly. 
[06:45] <randabis> Copons: yes
[06:45] <randabis> well
[06:45] <randabis> technically it is unofficial
[06:45] <randabis> but it shares the same repositories
[06:46] <randabis> it is unofficial in the sense that it is unsupported by canonical, but the development has been highly encouraged by them
[06:48] <smouche> frankly I think canonical should have started with kde to begin; anyway, it's great that kubuntu was the first distro to offer the new version of kde (at least I think it was)
[06:48] <Copons> ark also provided kde 3.4
[06:49] <badtz_mark> where to download kubuntu with good speed?
[06:50] <badtz_mark> anyone here who downloaded kubuntu 5.04 release candidate 1 using bittorrent and has problem?
[06:52] <badtz_mark> anyone?
[06:53] <underlord> damn these "authentic ms" stickers are hard to get off
[06:53] <randabis> I haven't downloaded a ubuntu iso in months so I dunno
[06:53] <underlord> bloody microsoft
[06:54] <randabis> I started using hoary back in early january
[06:54] <badtz_mark> i downloaded it and burned into cd,then during installation it say cd problem...then i burn another one and another one....wasted my cd's:(
[06:58] <underlord> badtz_mark: most people use cdrw for that reason
[07:16] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:18] <underlord> hi
[07:21] <badtz_mark> o.k
[07:30] <underlord> in kubuntu hoary my sound is all screwy, when i play a sound (like a system notification for eg) it plays, but as its playing it gets caught up looping a 1sec segment of the audio a few times every other seccond of audio playback, what can i do to fix?
[07:37] <delltony> i wish someone would make a made for linux sticker underlord i promise id put one on my system if someone sent me one
[07:41] <underlord> delltony: http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/stickers/5b43/
[07:42] <delltony> good deal 
[07:42] <underlord> http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/stickers/2898/
[07:44] <badtz_mark> sweet
[07:44] <delltony> cool thanks
[07:51] <helio7> I've been skimming forums trying to assess if it's advisable to install KDE/Kubuntu packages on a gnome/ubuntu system to "test out" KDE; does anyone have an opinion about this here or are there incompatibility risks?
[07:51] <underlord> you might want to play with the kubuntu livecd before you go installing things
[07:54] <helio7> underlord: I'm downloading all the ISOs right now; I'll do that thanks for the reminder... people generally don't have gnome and kde installed on the same system though is that correct?
[07:54] <underlord> it doesnt matter
[07:55] <underlord> kde and gnome can coexist peacefully
[07:55] <underlord> you just select which you want to use when you login with kdm or gdm (you can use either dm)
[07:55] <delltony> i have kde installed with all the gtk libs
[07:56] <helio7> Ok peaceful coexistence was what I wanted to hear; thank you (=
[07:56] <delltony> i had gnome installed too but got rid of it and became a kde fan thanks to Riddell :)
[07:58] <helio7> delltony: nice; I'm a schoolteacher and I'm installing ubuntu on a bunch of classroom computers for my school; now that kubuntu is an option, I'm definitely going to have to try it on a few; the livecd is good but actual installation and time-testing is better (=
[07:58] <ztonzy> I ran latest Ubuntu "hoary" live cd last night, and it had this "hardware detection" wizard for mouse, keyboard, sound etc etc....and if you had a issue you could with this app report it to the developers...neat!
[07:59] <dimma1> that is cool
[07:59] <delltony> helio7, yeah i'm a field service tech and have actually convenienced the ceo of cox communications to put linux on his laptop KUBUNTU actually
[07:59] <dimma1> helio7: what school?
[08:00] <delltony> so talk about publicity not sure if he would speak about it or not but its a fact he is running it
[08:00] <dimma1> i have been nothing but impressed with kubuntu on my laptop
[08:00] <delltony> cause i installed it for him :)
[08:00] <helio7> dimma1: a small charter school in Santa Barbara California are you familiar with the area?
[08:00] <ztonzy> difekta, yes :)
[08:00] <delltony> cox communications = usa's largest newspaper and media organization
[08:00] <ztonzy> ops I mean dimma1 
[08:00] <helio7> cox actually provides our school's internet =P
[08:01] <delltony> yeah
[08:01] <delltony> they do alot 
[08:01] <dimma1> i live in southern california... but i have traveled there a few times... to ventura and san luis obispo
[08:01] <delltony> paper, radio all kinda things
[08:01] <ztonzy> delltony, I am about to convince my sister to switch to linux (kubuntu) from win98 ;)
[08:01] <ztonzy> too much problems with win98 :P
[08:01] <delltony> well lets jsut say this
[08:01] <delltony> it will be different for her
[08:01] <delltony> but once you get her switched she will love it
[08:02] <badtz_mark> yup
[08:02] <helio7> dimma1: 'Cesar Chavez Charter School'
[08:02] <badtz_mark> since KDE ahs such nice GUI
[08:02] <delltony> i'm sold on ubuntu i have used slack and gentoo and all
[08:02] <delltony> but ubuntu is the best by far
[08:02] <delltony> that i hve used
[08:02] <delltony> thats just my opinion
[08:02] <closure> ok
[08:02] <delltony> ztonzy, you ever go to lost.sourceforge.org i think it is
[08:03] <closure> so while executing a standard web click and link to another site
[08:03] <closure> KDE just entirely froze
[08:03] <ztonzy> delltony, no 
[08:03] <ztonzy> why ?
[08:03] <dimma1> that is good to hear... i used slack in the past... i hated it but learned a lot... unnecessarily.... the days of winmodems... i didn't even touch gentoo after pouring through the faq
[08:03] <closure> well the whole computer froze
[08:03] <delltony> err
[08:03] <dimma1> too much to digest
[08:03] <closure> no recovery possible
[08:03] <delltony> http://lost.sourceforge.net
[08:03] <delltony> like 755 tips
[08:03] <delltony> for linux
[08:03] <closure> i was unaware this could occur in a *nix platform
[08:03] <delltony> all kinda cool things
[08:04] <delltony> like in 31 years the unix clock will be 1234567890 :)
[08:04] <ztonzy> delltony, I am "new" in linux....used linux 1 year now
[08:04] <delltony> no problem we all start somewhere my friend
[08:04] <delltony> and i don't know it all nor does anyone else
[08:05] <delltony> personally i feel we are all the same in this boat
[08:05] <delltony> we are all learning new tricks
[08:05] <delltony> daily
[08:05] <helio7> lol delltony did you notice last friday when it passed 1111111111? 
[08:05] <ztonzy> lol
[08:05] <delltony> yep
[08:05] <delltony> i wrote a script for it
[08:05] <ztonzy> I am happy if I can get my sister using linux  would be easiest for her to use Kubuntu...more windows like...
[08:06] <difekta> ztonzy yes about what?
[08:06] <difekta> oh..it was an accident.
[08:06] <delltony> #!/bin/bash
[08:06] <delltony> while true; do clear;echo 1111111111 `date +%s`-p|dc;date +%s;sleep 1; donedellt
[08:06] <delltony> thats what i had
[08:06] <delltony> it was cool watching it
[08:06] <ztonzy> delltony, I am going to give a cd with Ubuntu "hoary" live cd to a guy today...he had issues with his modem...I hope it will like it
[08:07] <ztonzy> difekta, hehe
[08:07] <delltony> wireless?
[08:07] <delltony> hopefully not dialup
[08:08] <ztonzy> yes dialup
[08:08] <ztonzy> :-/
[08:08] <ztonzy> not adsl either
[08:08] <ztonzy> yet
[08:08] <dimma1> winmodems are still a linux bane are they not?
[08:08] <dimma1> or can ndiswrapper conquer that?
[08:09] <ztonzy> no idea
[08:09] <delltony> that was what my next statement was gonna be
[08:09] <delltony> winmodems blow
[08:09] <ztonzy> true
[08:09] <ztonzy> topcom something...
[08:09] <delltony> ndiswrapper i thought was only for wireless
[08:09] <delltony> i could be wrong though
[08:09] <dimma1> i only use it for wireless
[08:09] <delltony> ony@bubbabox:~$ apropos ndiswrapper
[08:09] <delltony> ndiswrapper (8)      - Linux kernel module and user space tool to load and run Windows XP drivers for wireless cards
[08:09] <delltony> delltony@bubbabox:~$
[08:10] <delltony> thats your answer ;)
[08:10] <dimma1> and kubuntu was the first distro i was successful with it... i am so happy
[08:10] <delltony> ztonzy, whats the make and model of your modem
[08:10] <delltony> and who is the manufactor of the oem computer?
[08:11] <ztonzy> delltony, not mine, it is a other guy
[08:11] <ztonzy> delltony, I have adsl 10/1 mbit/s
[08:11] <ztonzy> xavi   ;)
[08:11] <delltony> what does HE have
[08:11] <ztonzy> no clue
[08:11] <ztonzy> didnt chat that explicit
[08:12] <delltony> ha
[08:12] <delltony> hey baby what kinda modem do you have 
[08:12] <delltony> i wanna probe your port
[08:12] <delltony> :)
[08:12] <delltony> what the hell
[08:12] <ztonzy> lol
[08:12] <dimma1> slide your floppy into my a:\ drive
[08:12] <ztonzy> brb
[08:16] <delltony> can i "finger" you?
[08:25] <badtz_mark> ...
[08:25] <badtz_mark> that didn't sound right
[11:19] <underlord> my printer isnt working, cups refuses to start aparently
[11:19] <underlord> kprinter says that it cant connect to cups
[11:21] <underlord> ooh, i think i solved it...
[11:23] <underlord> oh, shit, nope, didnt work
[11:38] <incubii> so many updates toda
[11:38] <incubii> y
[11:39] <incubii> if only they could include skippy into kubuntu
[11:39] <incubii> id be over the moon
[11:39] <ozz> y'a a release candidate too
[11:39] <incubii> really?
[11:39] <incubii> probably doesnt solve my problem though
[11:39] <ozz> check the topic :)
[11:40] <incubii> yeah just did, lol
[11:46] <incubii> nothing i do seems to fix the stupid xserver problem
[11:46] <incubii> :|
[11:48] <crimsun> what X server problem?
[11:49] <incubii> when it boots up on my G4 the display is all screwy, has rainbows all through it. so i ctrl+alt+backspace to restart the xserver and everythign is fine again
[12:22] <\Locutus\> someone know if exist knoda for kubuntu ?
[12:24] <gdh> Mm, good question :)
[12:26] <\Locutus\> :)
[12:57] <closure> could someone tell me how i would go about getting files from a windows computer on my network?
[12:58] <closure> i used something called "lineighboorhood" if i remember correctly
[12:58] <closure> i am unaware how to do it in this one
[01:00] <xamdm> hi, is ther a automount option in kde 3.4 like in gnome 2.10 ??, if i run gnome-volume-manager it works, but opens nautilus, is it possible to change this to konqueror ??
[01:00] <gdh> closure: Err,, just open a konq window to smb:/ ?
[01:00] <gdh> it should show you your workgroups after a few seconds
[01:01] <closure> hrm
[01:01] <closure> ok how do i add this computer to a workgroup?
[01:01] <gdh> I don't think you need to.
[01:02] <closure> i thought i would have to be on the workgroup in order to access it?
[01:02] <gdh> Nah
[01:02] <closure> yeah i got unable to find any workgroups
[01:02] <closure> there is one
[01:02] <gdh> did it pop up a window first with 'Windows Network' or similar text?
[01:02] <closure> nope
[01:03] <closure> it popped up a msg stating "no workgroups available
[01:03] <closure> or something like that
[01:03] <gdh> What about the icon beside the K menu, there's an option like 'Remote servers' ?
[01:03] <gdh> This is all from memory...
[01:03] <closure> k
[01:04] <closure> that did remote:/
[01:04] <closure> and it says something about "samba shares"
[01:04] <closure> and "add a network folder"
[01:04] <gdh> aside from that, there should be Control Center -> Internet & NEtwork -> Local Network Browsing ... you can set a workgroup in there
[01:04] <closure> k let me try that
[01:04] <gdh> although I never needed to... :|
[01:05] <gdh> it just found the various groups here
[01:05] <closure> it doesn't show me  a workgroup setting
[01:05] <closure> only user name and password
[01:05] <gdh> Must be a new thing in 3.4 then
[01:05] <closure> and MS Windows encoding
[01:06] <closure> i have no idea what encoding is
[01:06] <closure> i mean i know what the term means but i have no idea what ms windows encoding is
[01:06] <gdh> encoding only relates to how internatinal characters are in filenames...
[01:06] <gdh> won't affect any basic browse operations
[01:06] <closure> hrm
[01:07] <closure> i have had this same problem before
[01:07] <phunky> is there anywhere I can download times new roman for free? It doesn't appear to come with kubuntu, and there are a number of webpages which are supposed to use it...
[01:07] <gdh> phunky: corefonts.sf.net
[01:07] <gdh> there was always a debian package 'msttcorefonts'
[01:07] <gdh> Ubuntu might have the same in multiverse
[01:08] <phunky> ok
[01:08] <gdh> just makes sure they go in the right place / update defoma etc.
[01:08] <gdh> otherwise just put in them in ~/.fonts :)
[01:09] <closure> well deeeeyum
[01:09] <closure> i'm gonna have to do something about this
[01:09] <gdh> closure: what SMB servers are on the network, even?
[01:09] <gdh> and it's all a simple 255.255.255.0 netmask thing on one physical LAN?
[01:10] <closure> yeah
[01:10] <closure> there are no smb servers on the network
[01:10] <closure> that i know of
[01:10] <closure> nothing shows up if that's what you're asking
[01:10] <closure> but yes my net's very standard
[01:11] <gdh> ... so if there are no SMB servers on the network , how can it find a workgroup?
[01:11] <closure> what is an smb server?
[01:12] <gdh> A windows server
[01:12] <gdh> or a Samba server
[01:12] <gdh> SMB is the name of the protocol used in 'Windows Networking'
[01:12] <gdh> (well, technically it's called CIFS now, but let's not be pedantic)
[01:14] <closure> well i have a router... there has never been any other connection between the computers
[01:14] <gdh> if your Windows machine and your Kubuntu machine are on the same physical switch (not routed) there should be no issue...
[01:15] <gdh> at worst you can probably type smb://1.2.3.4/ for the IP address of the Windows server..
[01:17] <closure> ok is the windows server the actual computer i'm trying to find?
[01:17] <closure> or is that my router ip?
[01:17] <closure> GENIOUS!
[01:17] <closure> that worked
[01:17] <closure> thanks dude
[01:18] <gdh> :)
[01:18] <closure> sorry for being an idiot i'm new to this whole linux thing, i've only really played with *nix never really had a functional box
[01:18] <gdh> Windows NEtworking needs broadcasts to work to be able to browse the network
[01:18] <closure> what does that mean?
[01:18] <gdh> your router must be doing something to stop it...
[01:19] <gdh> or you're on different subnets or something...
[01:19] <closure> like something has to say hello to it or something?
[01:19] <gdh> yeh :)
[01:19] <closure> well the comp i'm getting on
[01:19] <closure> is a 95 box
[01:19] <nydust> Please help me her: I have a windows nettwork with one linux client (me) the workgroup are named klk. There i have one client called "printserver" with an printer shared, the user on that computer is "Administrator with a password. How do i add this printer to the linux client?
[01:19] <closure> i've always had problems getting it to network and show up properly
[01:20] <closure> haven't got that far yet nydust >8-P
[01:20] <closure> i just found my print server
[01:20] <closure> lol
[01:20] <gdh> nydust: Enable the guest account on the windows machine?
[01:20] <gdh> Or add a dummy account just for printing
[01:22] <nydust> gdh, now i have a guest account
[01:22] <rzei> should i do a dist-upgrade to get to kubuntu 5.04 RC?
[01:24] <closure> hrm
[01:24] <rzei> from 5.04 Preview that is
[01:24] <crimsun> I don't think there have been any epoched upgrades, so update && upgrade should be enough
[01:26] <closure> ok
[01:26] <closure> gdh
[01:27] <closure> i'm having trouble playing music through this "totem movie player"
[01:27] <closure> xmms works fine
[01:27] <closure> though i can't play over the network
[01:27] <closure> like form the fileserver
[01:27] <rzei> i guess i'll wait a few days.. quite frankly isn't the kubuntu team rushing a bit? the preview quite frankly needed some very specific knowledge of kde/gnu/xorg/... to install and configure (like not using the highest supported screen resolution)
[01:27] <closure> any ideas?
[01:27] <gdh> use amarok for that
[01:27] <gdh> totem is a GNOME thing
[01:27] <gdh> amarok or 'the other one'
[01:27] <gdh> I forget its name
[01:28] <closure> how do i remove totem?
[01:28] <gdh> don't, just don't use it
[01:28] <closure> and set something else as my "default" player
[01:28] <gdh> Sorry, work calls, gotta go
[01:28] <closure> it always wants to open shit
[01:28] <closure> alright thanks for the help
[01:28] <closure> later
[01:28] <closure> we're getting closer to the goal here though this is good
[01:29] <hunger> kubuntu is shown with screenshots on golem.de (german site)
[01:48] <closure> ok
[01:48] <closure> why can i not apt-get install klibido?
[01:49] <closure> anybody know?
[01:50] <Pyre> apokryphos: You have 1 new message:
[01:50] <Pyre> apokryphos: Cerulean at 29/3/2005: luser
[01:51] <crimsun> closure: because the package doesn't exist in the repositories.
[01:52] <closure> well how would i go about getting it?
[01:52] <closure> it's apparently in the debian repositories
[01:54] <crimsun> are you referring to alioth?
[01:54] <crimsun> because it's certainly not in debian "proper"
[01:56] <closure> http://klibido.sourceforge.net/#_requirements
[01:56] <closure> look where it says "debian"
[01:56] <closure> i am new to linux
[01:56] <closure> so i'm just assuming since ubuntu is debian based it would go along similar lines
[01:59] <closure> crimsun,  am i doing something wrong here?
[01:59] <crimsun> closure: Just because there exist Debian packages doesn't imply that said packages are actually _in_ Debian's repositories.
[02:00] <crimsun> closure: same applies to Kubuntu's.
[02:00] <closure> hrm
[02:00] <closure> so how would i go about getting that app?
[02:01] <crimsun> download it, then install it.  You're on your own, though, because it's not supported by Kubuntu.
[02:01] <closure> well how do i install it?
[02:01] <closure> i've been using "apt-get install" to install shit
[02:01] <closure> i'm new to this linux stuff dude
[02:02] <redmonkey> you installed shit? eww, gross!
[02:02] <Zenum> hey, I am having problems with xorg, it keeps spitting errors and doesnt load x. The only solution is to remove the xorg.conf file. But I need the file to configure the resolution and other things
[02:02] <Zenum> any ideas why this is happening?
[02:02] <crimsun> closure: use your web browser to download it, then open a Konsole and install it using sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[02:03] <closure> foo.deb being the .deb file in the archive?
[02:03] <closure> will that add it to my K Menu?
[02:04] <nydust> do any one under stand this? oystein@klk:/usr/sbin $ lpadmin -p epson760 -v smb://Printserver/epson760 -P /root/epson.ppd
[02:04] <nydust> lpadmin: add-printer (set model) failed: client-error-not-found
[02:05] <redmonkey> does your printer work under windows, nydust?
[02:05] <nydust> redmonkey, yep
[02:05] <closure> i *THINK* printserver should be the ip of your printserver
[02:05] <redmonkey> then why bugging around with linux? use windows instead :)
[02:05] <closure> not the word "printserver"
[02:06] <nydust> closure,  thats the name on the computer
[02:06] <closure> use the IP
[02:06] <closure> not the name
[02:06] <closure> i was having the same problem atleast connecting to one of my comps until i used the IP
[02:07] <nydust> lpadmin -p epson760 -v 192.168.1.106 -P /root/epson760.ppd??
[02:07] <closure> smb://192.168.1.106/epson760
[02:08] <nydust> the same problem
[02:08] <closure> shit out of ideas man
[02:08] <closure> lol
[02:09] <closure> we're learning together i guess
[02:09] <nydust> :)
[02:15] <closure> crimsun, thanks for the help that worked
[02:16] <crimsun> closure: ok.
[02:16] <closure> lol
[02:16] <closure> i say that
[02:16] <closure> it crashed
[02:27] <nydust> Printing: Unable to connect to SAMBA host, will retry in 60 seconds...foomatic-rip version $Revision: 3.43.2.6 $ running...
[02:51] <closure> can anyone tell me how to install a theme in KDE?
[02:55] <^deamon^> anyone in here tried it already?
[02:58] <ktech> hey guys... kubuntu is going to be released with automount feature in cd's and usb-sticks?
[02:58] <^deamon^> that will be great
[02:58] <^deamon^> have you used the RC version?
[02:59] <ktech> no
[02:59] <ktech> I'm using gentoo right now
[02:59] <ktech> and I have "auto-appear" of devices
[02:59] <ktech> but not automount, as in Ubuntu
[02:59] <^deamon^> cool
[03:00] <^deamon^> am new with all of this, i was a M$ user before
[03:00] <^deamon^> is gentoo easy to install for a newbie like me?
[03:01] <closure> so can either of you tell me how to install a theme in KDE?
[03:01] <closure> like one to make it look like OS X
[03:01] <membreya> hi guys, what would be the best app to receive webcam footage in ?
[03:01] <ktech> ^deamon^: I would say gentoo is almost the most difficult linux distro to install :)
[03:01] <^deamon^> :(
[03:01] <closure> ktech, i would say it is THE most
[03:02] <ktech> ^deamon^:  I would suggest you start with Kubuntu and then, after a year or so... perhaps you can test gentoo
[03:02] <^deamon^> hehehe, good thing theres KUBUNTU to start with
[03:02] <closure> you have to compile EVERYTHING right?
[03:02] <ktech> closure: no... it has package management... Linux From Scratch doesn't have anything...
[03:02] <membreya> pretty much ;)
[03:02] <membreya> it's fun compiling your own kernel
[03:02] <closure> yeah right
[03:02] <ktech> I compile eveything... including kde-cvs-head each week
[03:02] <ktech> :P
[03:03] <closure> membreya, like pulling teeth?
[03:03] <^deamon^> i wish i will learn how to do that
[03:03] <^deamon^> can u do that with KUBUNTU?
[03:04] <closure> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=17463
[03:04] <closure> how do i make Kubuntu look like that?
[03:05] <closure> daemon yes
[03:05] <ktech> ^deamon^: you can do that in kubuntu. Only install kubuntu and then starts experimenting :P
[03:05] <closure> you can do that
[03:05] <^deamon^> ktech: actually as we speak am downloading kubuntu RC
[03:05] <ktech> oh... that's a bit modified baghira. I have that metal aspect in my kde right now... only with different buttons :)
[03:06] <closure> what's baghira?
[03:06] <ktech> ^deamon^: I think you will be impressed... We've been testing it a month ago, or something... and was cool
[03:06] <closure> i want the OSX look
[03:06] <closure> with the windows
[03:06] <closure> i'd like the slim task bar though
[03:06] <ktech> closure: baghira is a Style for KDE that tries to mimic the osx look, as you want
[03:07] <closure> how do i install that?
[03:07] <ktech> closure: if you want, I can make you a screenshot
[03:07] <closure> sure
[03:07] <ktech> closure: it has ONE HUNDRED options to configure the look of your windows :)
[03:07] <ktech> closure: what distro do you have?
[03:07] <^deamon^> ktech: yes and am eager to use it, coz this will be like getting my feet with LINUX/KUBUNTU
[03:07] <closure> Ubuntu + KDE
[03:08] <membreya> in that metal theme..what's the system info on the desktop?
[03:09] <ktech> membreya: should be superkaramba?? Don't know...
[03:10] <ktech> http://personales.ya.com/ktech/baghira.jpg
[03:10] <^deamon^> ktech: how do you install applications in kubuntu?
[03:10] <ktech> guys... give it a look
[03:11] <ktech> ^deamon^: it's easy. Remember that I don't use kubuntu myself, but you have something like a package manager. That's an app in which you can see what packages you have installed, and which ones not. From there you can even update packages you have already installed, if there is an update :)
[03:12] <ktech> but ask here in the chanel, or better, give it a look on the wiki at ubuntu/kubunto. They have lots of docs.
[03:12] <closure> i like the metal and such
[03:12] <closure> but that's all
[03:12] <^deamon^> ktech: cool desktop you have
[03:12] <ktech> closure: :)
[03:12] <closure> how do i make mine look like that though?
[03:12] <^deamon^> is that a KUBUNTU?
[03:12] <ktech> ^deamon^, closure: baghira has lots of options... you can customice it a lot.
[03:12] <closure> so do i install Baghira?
[03:12] <ktech> ^deamon^: no... that's gentoo... but in the end it's KDE + Baghira, so you can have that too in ubuntu
[03:12] <^deamon^> whew, amazing
[03:13] <ktech> ;)
[03:13] <closure> so how do i install baghira?
[03:13] <ktech> closure: don't know... are you a kubunter?
[03:13] <closure> yep
[03:13] <closure> hence why i don't know what/how to do stuff *shrugs*
[03:14] <closure> i'm a n00b
[03:14] <closure> >8-P
[03:14] <ktech> closure: so I think you should give a look at if baghira is in tha Package Manager
[03:15] <closure> that would be apt-get?
[03:15] <closure> correct?
[03:15] <ktech> closure: if you want to use it from command-line, yes :)
[03:15] <ktech> try with apt-cache search baghira
[03:16] <ktech> in order to see if you can apt-install baghira
[03:16] <closure> http://personales.ya.com/ktech/baghira.jpg
[03:16] <closure> kwin-baghira - KDE theme for Apple junkies :)
[03:16] <closure> that's what i meant to do
[03:16] <closure> that's it?
[03:17] <ktech> I think yes :)
[03:17] <ktech> it's a theme for kwin, the kde window manager
[03:17] <ktech> so yes :)
[03:17] <ktech> apt-get install it
[03:17] <closure> so i just apt-get install
[03:17] <ktech> sure
[03:17] <ktech> and then you should go to control center / appearance, and choose it in Style and in Window Decoration
[03:17] <ktech> both places
[03:17] <ktech> and you can even configure options in both places, too
[03:18] <ktech> but try the default first ;)
[03:18] <closure> i like the "apt-cache"
[03:18] <closure> that's cool
[03:19] <ktech> closure: yes :)
[03:19] <closure> how do i remove pkgs?
[03:19] <ktech> apt is one of the best things of debian / ubuntu / kubuntu
[03:19] <ktech> closure: apt-get remove package
[03:22] <^deamon^> so that how you install stuff in Kubuntu
[03:22] <ktech> ^deamon^: no... you have graphical utilities...
[03:22] <^deamon^> neat
[03:22] <ktech> ^deamon^: easier to manage, with windows and the like
[03:23] <^deamon^> ktech: have you tried to installing Firebird RDBMS
[03:23] <ktech> ^deamon^: it's only that sometimes, command line and some apt stuff gives you more possibilities, but I suggest starting with the Package Manager... or something like that
[03:23] <closure> ktech
[03:23] <ktech> ^deamon^: no,    :)   I uses mysql
[03:23] <closure> how do i modify the taskbar?
[03:23] <ktech> ^deamon^:  and remember I uses gentoo
[03:24] <ktech> closure: mmmm... the taskbar is not affected by a Style, I think...
[03:24] <ktech> closure: what do you want to do?
[03:24] <closure> make it look entirely different really
[03:24] <closure> well let me find a picture
[03:24] <ktech> closure: okey
[03:25] <ktech> (give me a sec, going to toilet  ;)  )
[03:25] <closure> k
[03:27] <ktech> ok
[03:27] <ktech> do you have the screenshot?
[03:27] <closure> nope still looking
[03:28] <closure> i basicly want it like half the size it is now
[03:28] <buz> anyone else having troubles printing after updates today??? apps just start using 100% cpu and nothing gets printed for me
[03:28] <closure> with the same buttons "K Menu", "system", and "Konqueror"
[03:28] <closure> and a single layer of tasks instead of stacked
[03:29] <closure> like a windows taskbar
[03:29] <ktech> closure: I always disable that stupid Stacking thing... you mean when you open 4 windows with konqueror and they groups into only one entry?
[03:29] <closure> no not grouping
[03:29] <ktech> oh
[03:29] <closure> let me look at yours again
[03:30] <closure> you might have it
[03:30] <haggai> they only group if there is not enough space for them all
[03:30] <ktech> haggai: yeah... but I hate that...
[03:31] <ktech> haggai: I have 2 taskbars... one with the opened windows (without grouping! please!), and another with desktop pager... icons for the most used apps... and the like
[03:31] <ktech> see the screenshot...
[03:31] <closure> ktech like you see how your tasks are one layer and then you have the next layer with shortcuts and time and shit like that?
[03:31] <ktech> I think it's useful to work
[03:31] <closure> i'd like to optimaly seperate thouse
[03:32] <closure> and have the tasks on the bottom of my screen and the shortcuts and such at the top
[03:32] <closure> does that make sense?
[03:32] <ktech> closure: there are 2 taskbars there. You can put them where you like... up, down, left, right...
[03:32] <closure> ok
[03:32] <closure> how do i do that?
[03:32] <ktech> closure: and you can configure what things you put inside each one... there are LOTS of applets
[03:32] <ktech> closure: don't remember, but there is something like "Right click", ADD, another panel, or something
[03:33] <ktech> add, panel... and then you choose
[03:33] <haggai> closure: nice, saves some screen estate by having smaller icons
[03:33] <ktech> you you can add or remove what you want from both of the panels
[03:34] <closure> yeah
[03:34] <closure> i don't like this bulky thing at the bottom
[03:34] <ktech> :)
[03:34] <closure> oh wow
[03:34] <closure> if you right click the task bar
[03:34] <closure> you do " configure panel
[03:34] <closure> "
[03:35] <closure> and if you select "TINY" on the size it is about the size of a windows taskbar
[03:35] <closure> little cluttered
[03:35] <ktech> closure: hehe... you can make it transparent, by the way :P
[03:35] <closure> well when my background works i'll worry about that lol
[03:36] <ktech> closure: hehehe
[03:37] <closure> hrm
[03:39] <closure> thanks a lot ktech
[03:39] <closure> i'll spend hours messing with this alone
[03:39] <closure> lol
[03:39] <buz> as of today all my apps start chewing up 100% cpu when i try to print
[03:40] <closure> buz mine are acting funky too
[03:40] <ktech> closure:  not at all.... kde is very nice... after I install it, I always spend one hour or the like configuring all. That way I feel like at home :)
[03:40] <closure> yah
[03:40] <closure> gotta be comfortable in your underwear before you put on your pants
[03:41] <closure> little redneck proverb for you
[03:41] <closure> lol
[03:41] <haggai> heh
[03:41] <haggai> I tried ungrouping my tasks but I have so much open I couldn't find anything any more
[03:41] <closure> lol
[03:41] <closure> i was scared to do that
[03:41] <buz> mhh must be the pdf i try to print
[03:41] <closure> for that very reason
[03:41] <buz> printing from kate works
[03:41] <buz> oo2.0 is probably broken
[03:42] <buz> and kpresenter doesn't do much useful with the ppt
[03:42] <buz> just shows garbage
[03:42] <ktech> :)
[03:42] <ktech> I hope oo2.0 gets stable soon...
[03:42] <buz> on win it is
[03:43] <buz> mhh lets see what happens with oo1.1.3
[03:43] <haggai> oo2 was taking too much time keeping on top of the updates - upstream were radically changing the packaging every milestone
[03:43] <closure> well i'll bbiab guys
[03:43] <closure> thanks for the help again ktech
[03:44] <ktech> closure: not at all... If you want to know something more about kde, give me a touch  :)  I'm happy to help
[03:44] <closure> k
[03:44] <closure> ignore this msg i'm just going to remember your nick with it
[03:44] <buz> yeah it must be oo2.0 that generates broken pdfs
[03:44] <closure> well damnit
[03:44] <closure> there we go
[03:45] <closure> still getting use to X-Chat as well
[03:45] <closure> this is the most lacking IRC client i've ever seen
[03:45] <ktech> closure: why?
[03:45] <buz> can i get more up to date oo2.0 debs somewhere else?
[03:46] <closure> it doesn't have any functionality
[03:46] <closure> i can't timestamp
[03:46] <closure> i can't undo alot of the base settings
[03:46] <closure> it's just a heap
[03:46] <ktech> closure: have you tried konversation? it will be even faster as you're using kde libraries
[03:47] <buz> yeah konversation is a nice little client
[03:47] <buz> kopete's irc is plain crap
[03:47] <ktech> closure: I use konversation and it's nice to use... even when it's still improving (very fast) and lacks some features
[03:47] <buz> will even post /nickserv indentify to channels at times!
[03:47] <ktech> buz: hahaha
[03:47] <buz> for real
[03:47] <buz> thankfully friend of mine is ircop so nobody could go steal my nick
[03:47] <closure> buz heh i'm sooooo skittish of that
[03:48] <closure> after dropping nick passes in random places
[03:48] <buz> but people sure were laughing
[03:48] <closure> *shrugs* even when i do i chnage my pass so fast
[03:48] <closure> half the time i'm on the wrong network to identify anyways
[03:48] <closure> lol
[03:48] <buz> yeah
[03:49] <buz> i exported a 400kb ppt to pdf in oo1.1.3 now i have 8mb pdf 
[03:49] <buz> prints slow a shit ;-)
[03:49] <ktech> buz: you can choose if you export for printing... for screen... and the like, right?
[03:50] <buz> i might have selected "press" there LOL
[03:50] <buz> yeah actually it seems selected
[03:50] <buz> stupid me
[03:50] <lonewolff> hey there everyone
[03:51] <buz> ah well it's only 24 pages i'm shrinking to 4 on 1 page
[03:51] <buz> shouldnt take that long
[03:52] <ktech> :)
[03:53] <buz> grrr my taxes are due today and i havent even started yet
[04:28] <TechLord> anyone here
[04:31] <randabis> yes
[04:31] <ktech> yeah
[04:31] <TechLord_Work> i tried installing the release code lastnight but xorg won't install
[04:33] <TechLord_Work> actually i should say configure
[04:33] <TechLord_Work> i get error not output drivers
[04:39] <TechLord_Work> any ideas
[04:45] <phunky> I'm trying to use kaudiocreator to rip a cd. I downloaded lame-3.96_3.96.1-1
[04:45] <phunky> _i386.de
[04:45] <phunky> b
[04:45] <phunky> argh
[04:45] <phunky> which worked
[04:45] <phunky> and the did sudo dpkg
[04:45] <phunky> and that worked
[04:46] <phunky> ... what do i still have to do to make it work
[04:46] <phunky> with kaudiocreator i mean
[04:46] <phunky> ?
[04:49] <Riddell> phunky: may have to recompile to turn on mp3 encoding.  it should be able to rip to ogg fine
[04:49] <TechLord_Work> anyone have a suggustion on my xorg problem?
[04:50] <randabis> TechLord_Work: have you tried dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[04:50] <Quinn_Storm> phunky: what are you trying to mp3 rip with? likely you just need to install lame or something
[04:50] <hno71> Riddell: Hi. Do your Live CDs currently have the Win-FOSS stuff on them?
[04:50] <Riddell> hno71: what's that?
[04:50] <TechLord_Work> no i haven't
[04:50] <TechLord_Work> what would that do 
[04:51] <randabis> hi apokryphos :)
[04:51] <randabis> TechLord_Work: it is a script that allows you to configure the xserver
[04:51] <apokryphos> hey :)
[04:52] <hno71> Riddell: Windows software :) Firefox, etc. see: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WinFOSS
[04:52] <Riddell> phunky: looks like you can set it in settings->configure kaudiocreator->encoder
[04:53] <hno71> Riddell: I think you might because your i386 iso is bigger than the amd64 one
[04:53] <apokryphos> hno71: that's pretty sweet
[04:53] <TechLord_Work> what is really strange, is the release code fails but  preview  works great
[04:53] <hno71> Only the first one has winfoss on Ubuntu
[04:54] <hno71> apokryphos: thanks :)
[04:54] <randabis> terry schiavo died finally
[04:54] <Riddell> hno71: curious, well I've no idea, don't have any windows machines, we should find out
[04:55] <hno71> Anyway, if you want to add it I've made a Kubuntu skin for you: http://www.theopencd.org/ubuntu/img/ 
[04:55] <hno71> We just need to check that there is space
[05:01] <randabis> wow, that's some excellent work there hno71 
[05:03] <hno71> Thanks. I thought that after going through all the trouble for the Ubuntu version, I might as well do the Kubuntu one as well :)
[05:03] <randabis> :)
[05:11] <phunky> Is it possible to change the bitrate kaudiocreator encodes to when using lame? It's not in the the encoder config that i can see, and it's not immediately obvious anywhere alse either
[05:23] <randabis> hah
[05:23] <randabis> cool
[05:26] <Riddell> hno71: looks like we do have the windows software on the live CD, what needs to be changed to use that skin?
[05:28] <hno71> Riddell: The ubuntu scripts pull in and unpack the tgz file found here and places it on the CD somehow: http://www.theopencd.org/ubuntu/winfoss/latest/
[05:28] <hno71> I'll be uploading a new version here: http://www.theopencd.org/ubuntu/kubuntu/
[05:29] <hno71> So it should be enough to change one line in a script somewhere
[05:29] <Riddell> hno71: cool.  any idea who to talk to on the ubuntu side?
[05:29] <hno71> Kamion
[05:34] <Riddell> hno71: I've poked Kamion, if you're staying around join us in #kubuntu-devel to see if he responds
[05:34] <hno71> OK
[05:36] <buz> is printing from oo.1.1.3 somehow broken?
[05:36] <buz> doesn't seem to work at all
[05:51] <haggai> buz: not known broken
[05:51] <buz> doesnt seem to do anything for me
[05:51] <buz> exporting it to pdf and using kpdf works fine
[06:26] <Curalton> hmm, via ssh "sudo /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh" to do suspend to disk only works every 2nd time, is it assuming something about network connections or so?
[06:31] <TechLord_Work> are there any graphic card driver changes between the preview release and the release canidate
[06:41] <kkathman> greetings all :)
[06:42] <kkathman> Can someone tell me if Kubuntu will be more or less performant than Gnome given the same operating environment?
[06:42] <Curalton> kde/qt and gnome/gtk are about same speed
[06:43] <kkathman> Curalton, thanks very much, I appreciate that
[06:45] <gsuveg> re
[06:45] <kkathman> sorry I hit the wrong button
[06:46] <Curalton> heh :)
[06:46] <kkathman> I noticed that when I do a sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop, it asks for a CD, it wont install from the repositories?
[06:48] <kkathman> The wiki page says just to do the apt-get
[06:49] <Curalton> seems the CD and the repositieres have the same priority
[06:49] <haggai> kkathman: you need to remove the cd from your sources.list if you don't want apt to use it
[06:49] <kkathman> gotcha
[06:50] <kkathman> forgot about that..I apologize
[06:50] <Curalton> there is a gui for that too, just untick the cd source
[06:51] <kkathman> right, I'm still getting used to working in linux...too much of a windows users for years. Hard to teach an old dog new tricks sometimes :)
[06:52] <gsuveg> i have a problem with kmail + gpg: cant read secured mail. it write 'bad password'. in mutt can i read it good. anybody have idea ? i have gpg and mime installed.
[06:52] <Curalton> yup, thats all the deal behind the "a pirated windows is better than no windows" idea 
[06:57] <kkathman> I just bought the parts and put together my box last night. I had an old computer and it wasnt even running Gnome well ugh 
[06:58] <TechLord_Work> still can't get Xorg -configure still fails
[07:27] <TechLord_Work> anyone here
[07:28] <bobesponja> yep
[07:29] <TechLord_Work> found my problem with Xorg -configure. there is a bugizilla report on it
[07:33] <jcdenton> hi people!
[07:33] <TechLord_Work> hi
[07:40] <bobesponja> does kubuntu comes with all the composite and transparency xorg stuff on kde as i shown on the dot?
[07:41] <Riddell> bobesponja: yes
[07:41] <Riddell> but you have to turn it on
[07:41] <bobesponja> Riddell: in kcontrol?
[07:41] <Riddell> bobesponja: in xorg.conf and kwin settings
[07:42] <bobesponja> Riddell: kwin settings? where's that?
[07:42] <Riddell> bobesponja: click on the top left of any window and choose settings
[07:42] <Riddell> or configure
[07:43] <bobesponja> Riddell: thx
[07:44] <bobesponja> Riddell: i'm actually using debian sid but I'm going to install linux for a friend that is a total newbie in computer
[07:44] <bobesponja> Riddell: i thank kubuntu could be a great pick :)
[07:44] <bobesponja> think
[07:44] <Quinn_Storm> kubuntu is great, but then I love kde ^-^
[07:45] <kkathman> something a bit odd...I just installed kubuntu, was changing a background and icons and noticed that the "K" icon at the far left and the Konqueror icon have disappeared.  Is this a bug or how do  you get them back?
[07:46] <kkathman> on the toolbar at the bottom, obviously
[07:48] <LeeJunFan> looks like amarok has picked up a nasty habbit of crashing now - had no problems before.
[07:48] <LeeJunFan> locked up my X - I had to ssh in from remote and kill amarokapp
[07:49] <apokryphos> Ouch. A few others have reported problems with streaming...
[07:49] <apokryphos> generally problems with aRts
[07:49] <omni_lonnie> kkathman: right click on the panel "Add to Panel" -> "Special Button" -> "K Menu"
[07:49] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: mine is local mp3
[07:50] <Riddell> LeeJunFan: try changing the engine to gstreamer or xine
[07:50] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: I filed a bug report on arts this morning. After the 3rd morning I woke up to having over 250MB in use by artsd
[07:50] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: yeah, I used to use xine. Maybe I'll do that again.
[07:50] <Riddell> haggai was talking about changing the default engine in amarok
[07:51] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: but it still uses arts to play. What's up with that?
[07:51] <apokryphos> aRts is one thing that hasn't been giving me problems; gstreamer is the evil one.
[07:51] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: ie. xine uses arts.
[07:51] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: it really shouldn't. Do you have the engines installed?
[07:52] <apokryphos> apt-get install amarok-*
[07:53] <LeeJunFan> yeah, but xine is setup on my system to play thru arts so I can watch dvd's and still have other sounds like IM's.
[07:53] <apokryphos> Riddell: I think it might be a good idea to have the same default as amaroK has, for it; gstreamer.
[07:53] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: Oh, right. Perhaps go for gstreamer then, if it works for you?
[07:55] <kkathman> so, any ideas why I lost the taskbar icons for K, Konqueror and System?
[07:56] <apokryphos> kkathman: A lot of people were having that problem at one point
[07:56] <apokryphos> was suggested it might have something to do with /etc/kderc
[07:56] <apokryphos> (as in, with people not having it)
[07:57] <kkathman> apokryphos, hmmm....and how might I correct this?
[07:57] <apokryphos> for the kderc.... purge kubuntu-default-settings, and then re-install it
[07:57] <apokryphos> but that won't bring the taskbar etc back; you'll likely have to add them manually yourself
[07:58] <kkathman> how do I purge this, sorry..new to this environment?
[07:58] <apokryphos> sudo apt-get remove --purge kubuntu-default-settings
[07:58] <delltony> hi all 
[07:59] <apokryphos> hi :)
[07:59] <kkathman> I do have a file there called kderc
[07:59] <delltony> i have a question: and tell me what you would do to troubleshooot this please
[07:59] <delltony> i have ndiswrapper working on my nic right i have ran iwlist scan and it shows the cell
[07:59] <apokryphos> kkathman: Oh, you will most likely be alright then. Is it empty?
[07:59] <delltony> and i have used the wifi manager and it shows strength
[07:59] <kkathman> let me check
[08:00] <delltony> but for some reason even though i have an ip assigned i can't surf the net
[08:00] <delltony> however the main computer that is plugged directly into the wireless router works fine
[08:00] <kkathman> apokryphos, no its not empty
[08:01] <apokryphos> kkathman: ok, then don't bother with the purge. I guess you'll just have to manually readd those things
[08:02] <LeeJunFan> delltony: sudo arping -I [wireless device]  [ip of wireless router] 
[08:02] <kkathman> apokryphos, its odd, because its like the icon is missing, because if I cursor over the areas, the tips pop up and I can click on the area and they execute
[08:02] <delltony> ok will try
[08:02] <delltony> hang on thanks
[08:02] <kkathman> apokryphos,  but I have the icons for the desktops, kontakt, etc
[08:02] <apokryphos> kkathman: hmm, oh, so more than just kicker.
[08:03] <kkathman> apokryphos, just the K-menu, System and Konqueror went away for some reason
[08:03] <apokryphos> kkathman: you should be able to re-add the k-menu to kicker without any problems
[08:03] <apokryphos> Konqueror has "gone away"?
[08:03] <delltony> LeeJunFan: yeah i'm getting the unicast reply
[08:03] <apokryphos> kkathman: you're talking about the quick-launch items, right?
[08:04] <kkathman> apokryphos, Im talking about the bottom taskbar...if Im referring to it right
[08:04] <LeeJunFan> delltony: then you have wireless connectivity - it sounds like an issue with the IP layer. something like DNS, etc...
[08:05] <apokryphos> kkathman: yes, kicker. 
[08:05] <kkathman> apokryphos, ok kicker :)
[08:05] <delltony> any idea how to resolve this?
[08:05] <apokryphos> kkathman: And you're saying that the shortcuts (quick-launch items) have dissapeared, right? i.e. the konqueror one etc.
[08:05] <kkathman> apokryphos, so how might I add those back...the icons, that is?
[08:05] <LeeJunFan> delltony: ping 64.186.37.120
[08:06] <delltony> ok hang on
[08:06] <kkathman> apokryphos, I'm saying that the space is there, I can cursor over the space and the tool tip appears and I can launch it...just that there is no icon there anymore...its just a blank space
[08:06] <TechLord_Work> can you remove it and readd the icon back?
[08:06] <apokryphos> kkathman: Ok, easiest way is to first add the k-menu. Right Click > Add to Panel > Special Button > k-menu
[08:06] <delltony> works fine
[08:06] <LeeJunFan> delltony: yeah, I see your pings coming in.
[08:06] <LeeJunFan> delltony: and my replies going out :)
[08:07] <delltony> so that proves the point
[08:07] <apokryphos> kkathman: then from there you can drag all the shortcuts down into the panel...
[08:07] <delltony> dns server screwed
[08:07] <LeeJunFan> delltony: exactly.
[08:07] <TechLord_Work> can you ping your dns server?
[08:07] <delltony> any way to manually add it to /etc/network/interfaces?
[08:07] <LeeJunFan> delltony: your dns server is in /etc/resolv.conf
[08:07] <delltony> oh ok thats good to know thanks
[08:07] <LeeJunFan> delltony: it should probably be the IP of your wireless router.
[08:07] <delltony> let me look 
[08:07] <LeeJunFan> delltony: nameserver 192.168.0.1 or some such thing.
[08:08] <kkathman> apokryphos,  hmmm tried that and nothing happens it seems
[08:08] <TechLord_Work> no the name server should be an actual dns server not your wireless router
[08:08] <kkathman> hmm the trash icon isnt there either I just noticed
[08:08] <TechLord_Work> wireless router will be you gateway but not a dns server
[08:08] <apokryphos> kkathman: errm, the item isn't added?
[08:08] <delltony> then that is the problem then
[08:08] <delltony> cause its the ip of my router
[08:08] <apokryphos> kkathman: trash icon isn't on the desktop, or on kicker?
[08:08] <kkathman> when I added the new kpanel, theres no icon there either
[08:09] <delltony> brb gotta find the ip of my dns i don't know if off hand
[08:09] <apokryphos> kkathman: you're trying to add these type of things, right: http://aseigo.bddf.ca/dms/32/95_zoomy1.jpg ?
[08:09] <delltony> or is there a ipconfig /all for linux?
[08:09] <LeeJunFan> delltony: dhcp should give it to you.
[08:09] <delltony> ok will try
[08:10] <delltony> brb gonna go look it up
[08:10] <LeeJunFan> delltony: dhclient wlan0
[08:10] <neighborlee> hi..sorry for this lame question :) but what setting do I use for writing mode to make sure my ISO burns with directories in places and not just as a  'iso' ??
[08:10] <kkathman> apokryphos, yes I am trying to add those things down in the bottom toolbar line
[08:10] <neighborlee> tao ?
[08:11] <TechLord_Work> neighborleewhat application are you using to burn?
[08:11] <apokryphos> kkathman: if you followed the above instructions for adding the k-menu and "nothing appears" then something is certainly going wrong
[08:11] <apokryphos> Are you sure you're doing that correctly? I find it hard to believe.
[08:12] <kkathman> apokryphos, let me get you to a one on one...no use bothering others here
[08:12] <apokryphos> kkathman: well, this is the channel for that type of discussion :P, but no worries. Sure.
[08:13] <gsuveg> can i learn spam with kmail the spamassasin?
[08:13] <delltony> LeeJunFan: its assigning the ip fine and the dhclient worked however no connectivity
[08:14] <delltony> and i would be certain if i ping you again it would show up
[08:14] <delltony> yep
[08:14] <LeeJunFan> delltony: well - you can make your own dns
[08:14] <delltony> and i have no clue where to find my dns
[08:14] <TechLord_Work> look in the router
[08:14] <LeeJunFan> sudo apt-get install bind9
[08:14] <delltony> question
[08:14] <LeeJunFan> delltony: then change nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf to 127.0.0.1
[08:14] <TechLord_Work> it should have a tab for network information
[08:15] <delltony> yeah i know what yoru talking about tech
[08:15] <LeeJunFan> delltony: be your own nameserver :)
[08:15] <delltony> ill do that next
[08:15] <TechLord_Work> that would work to
[08:15] <delltony> so i have to build the ip list?
[08:15] <delltony> like google = blah blah blah?
[08:16] <delltony_> strange
[08:16] <delltony_> very strange
[08:16] <LeeJunFan> delltony: no - that's OLD way of dns. your nameserver will query the root servers which will then tell your namserver where to go to look the next part up.
[08:16] <delltony_> working now
[08:16] <delltony_> ok let me install that then it sounds like a better method
[08:16] <LeeJunFan> delltony_: is it a linksys?
[08:16] <delltony_> yeah and don't start :D
[08:16] <gsuveg> Learned from 110 message(s) (204 message(s) examined).
[08:16] <gsuveg> sorry.
[08:16] <delltony_> the card is not a linksys though
[08:16] <LeeJunFan> delltony_: hehe, well that's what they do :)
[08:17] <delltony_> only the router
[08:17] <delltony_> yeah i watched the broken too
[08:17] <delltony_> i know
[08:18] <LeeJunFan> delltony_: I've been running ISP's for years. I know all about linksys oddities. :)
[08:18] <delltony_> oh while i'm thinking about it and pardon me if its in a faq i over looked
[08:18] <delltony_> is the kubuntu cd gonna be shipped with the hoary one?
[08:18] <LeeJunFan> delltony_: but they are still pretty neat for the price.
[08:19] <delltony_> or is there a place to order the kubuntu one?
[08:19] <delltony_> well it was given to me as a xmas present a few years back so i couldn't really complain
[08:20] <delltony_> yeah that was definately the problem TechLord_Work 
[08:20] <TechLord_Work> cool
[08:20] <delltony_> i looked in resolv and the real dns servers are in tehre now
[08:21] <buz> is there any way to ignore a whole domain range in konversation
[08:22] <LeeJunFan> delltony_: I wondered that myself so I just did some asking on ubuntu about the relationship between ubuntu and kubutnu, kubuntu is not really part of the ubuntu organization.
[08:22] <delltony_> acording to the mail list
[08:22] <delltony_> it sounds like it is
[08:22] <neighborlee> TechLord_Work, sorry that would help wouldn't it..i'm using 'k3b'
[08:22] <LeeJunFan> delltony_: kubuntu is a community effort. So it's likely that they won't be offering discs
[08:22] <delltony_> hmm thats not how they lead you to believe in the mail list
[08:23] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: I really think it is part of. Canonical are paying devs to work on it, right?
[08:23] <delltony_> thats what i had thought
[08:23] <TechLord_Work> neighborlee then you open it as diskimage
[08:24] <TechLord_Work> if you right click on it and under actions you have have burn image to cd
[08:24] <delltony_> i don't mind downloading and burning iso's however i love that offical disk
[08:24] <neighborlee> TechLord_Work, ah thats right i'd forgot as I dont burn alot LOL...and when I do I usually use command line ;-)..ok thx
[08:24] <delltony_> i collect them actually
[08:25] <apokryphos> delltony: I don't think there is going to be one; check Riddell's latest note in #ubuntu
[08:25] <apokryphos> delltony: you shouldn't have to order other ISOs, though :P. Apt.
[08:25] <delltony_> nah i just like having a cool looking cd
[08:25] <delltony_> i ordered 10 of hoary
[08:26] <delltony_> i have folks begginf or it 
[08:26] <delltony_> haha
[08:26] <TechLord_Work> me 2
[08:26] <apokryphos> Heh
[08:26] <apokryphos> You can order Hoary ones now? Might go for one...
[08:26] <TechLord_Work> wish they were going to make kubuntu cds for free
[08:26] <apokryphos> Canonical sure do seem to have sufficient amount of $$$
[08:27] <delltony_> cause i changed the kside to windows xp just as a trick (bad joke i know) and folks at my job didn't realize they were running linux haha
[08:27] <TechLord_Work> lOL
[08:27] <apokryphos> delltony_: hmm, whereabouts do you order from?
[08:28] <LeeJunFan> I'm glad to see a distro that isn't crammed up with branding and odd configs making headway. All the others drove me nuts, and debian was just too old to run a desktop system on. And I'm too old to compile kde myself. :)
[08:28] <delltony_> shipit
[08:28] <apokryphos> ahh, found it.
[08:28] <neighborlee> delltony, lol
[08:28] <beford> http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/
[08:28] <delltony_> haha LeeJunFan i hear ya
[08:28] <delltony_> i have tried slack (hated it) tried gentoo (vomited)
[08:28] <delltony_> came to ubuntu and i'm here to stay for a while
[08:28] <delltony_> i actually love it
[08:28] <buz> is there an ati driver that does support composite ?
[08:29] <apokryphos> buz: not for the acceleration, no. 
[08:29] <buz> mhh too bad
[08:29] <apokryphos> If you don't have nvidia you'll have to put up with slowness with composite extension
[08:29] <buz> gotta get a nvidia card then
[08:29] <delltony_> the offical one doesn't do it?
[08:29] <buz> those luminosicity demos a few days back where astonishing
[08:29] <delltony_> i know the one on the repository is slow as hell
[08:29] <delltony_> gears shows 400fps with it
[08:30] <delltony_> when i installed the offical one
[08:30] <delltony_> its 4000
[08:30] <delltony_> big difference
[08:30] <delltony_> and open gl actually works
[08:30] <LeeJunFan> delltony_: I've done redhat, fedora, mandrake (mostly), slack, debian, arch, etc... the ones that weren't commercialized to hell were too old. And slack and arch don't support my amd64 :)
[08:30] <delltony_> yeah thats another thing
[08:31] <delltony_> man i tell you i'm gonna have to break out some of my computer engineering books
[08:31] <delltony_> cause when i get a ps3
[08:31] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: how are you finding Ubuntu support for amd64? I'm thinking of converting to one in the summer...
[08:31] <delltony_> i'm gonna modify it with that cell processor
[08:32] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: it's pretty good, of course there's always the flash and vmware issues. And I need vmware for work so I use i386 primarily.
[08:32] <delltony_> LeeJunFan, you ever use quem?
[08:32] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: supposedly vmware is going to support 64 bit on hosts systems soon, that will help. But as of yet it's all vaporware. amd64 isn't even available in their workstation5 release candidate.
[08:33] <LeeJunFan> delltony_: no - but that can't run XP can it?
[08:33] <[dt] > Hi guys! ;)
[08:33] <delltony_> i think it can
[08:33] <delltony_> haven't used it myself but i'm told it can
[08:33] <delltony_> i use vmware myself
[08:33] <delltony_> i have to use it for my gps software
[08:33] <delltony_> otherwise my butt would be lost on the road
[08:34] <[dt] > I'm a Mandrake user currenty and I mainly use linux for coding... however, KDevelop is killing me under Mandrake 10.2... it crashes from time to time!
[08:34] <LeeJunFan> delltony_: I do a lot of network stuff and I need to be able to run an NT based windows so I can change my damn IP addy without having to reboot (sic: GAY)
[08:34] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: Hm, thanks. Hopefully support for them can only get better on Ubu... really might be worth investing in one.
[08:34] <[dt] > will Kubuntu solve suck problems? :D
[08:34] <randabis> uh...there is no windows port for the cell processor...lol
[08:34] <delltony_> yeah i have 3 os's on this system
[08:34] <randabis> [dt] : kubuntu is on an entirely different level than mandrake
[08:35] <delltony_> xp is on vmware
[08:35] <LeeJunFan> [dt] : I don't know if it will "solve" them but it will certainly introduce less of them than mdk does :)
[08:35] <delltony_> and then i have a partition for 98
[08:35] <delltony_> cause i have to use comwatch
[08:35] <delltony_> to capture data packets over the press arcnet
[08:35] <apokryphos> [dt] : kdevelop3 is working pretty fine here. And from what I hear in the devel IRC, the devs from kdevelop are converting to kubuntu :P
[08:35] <[dt] > great... :>
[08:35] <apokryphos> (some, at least)
[08:36] <delltony_> its a whole lot of fun NOT 
[08:36] <delltony_> haha
[08:36] <[dt] > I wouldn't expect less from a debian based release... let alone great efforts of ubuntu devs
[08:36] <[dt] > another question by the way!
[08:36] <apokryphos> :)
[08:36] <LeeJunFan> delltony_: yeah, it stinks. I have XP on a partition, then XP in vmware on kubuntu i386. I also have a kubuntu amd64 install on here. :)
[08:36] <[dt] > I'm almost sure i'll loose all my previous linux config
[08:37] <LeeJunFan> [dt] : that's not a question :)
[08:37] <[dt] > because ubuntu is debian based and not compatible with RedHat/mdk
[08:37] <delltony_> yeah i was talking more of my job that sucks being the sole guy on site responsible for the press running 
[08:37] <delltony_> and trust me i get blaimed if the pressmen fart
[08:37] <randabis> I'm windows free here
[08:37] <randabis> I have no need for it
[08:38] <apokryphos> [dt] : Well, yeah, you will. :)
[08:38] <robodex> I'm windows free because I can't dual boot (don't ask)
[08:38] <[dt] > however, my primary home directory is located on a dedicated partition
[08:38] <LeeJunFan> randabis: I like to play games. Black Hawk Down :)
[08:38] <randabis> LeeJunFan: cedega :)
[08:38] <[dt] > Do I have to purge old KDE desktop config, too?
[08:38] <[dt] > (which are located in home)
[08:38] <delltony_> LeeJunFan, use cedega?
[08:38] <LeeJunFan> [dt] : nope. you might have a couple small issues.
[08:38] <[dt] > LeeJunFan: uh huh... great :)
[08:38] <LeeJunFan> [dt] : mostly the moving of the Mail dir for kmail.
[08:39] <LeeJunFan> [dt] : when I first updated I thought all my mail was wiped out. somehow.
[08:39] <[dt] > LeeJunFan: so, all I have to do is to *nuke* my old root and install kubuntu over it right? :)
[08:40] <[dt] > LeeJunFan: so i will back up my home folder b4 any agression :P
[08:40] <LeeJunFan> randabis, delltony_ : haven't done cedega, I thought it was too hit-miss.
[08:40] <apokryphos> [dt] : things such as mail can of course be saved...
[08:40] <delltony_> it is when your playing a shooting game :D
[08:41] <apokryphos> [dt] : other .kde settings probably can't be, generally, though.
[08:41] <delltony_> but you are right its unstable
[08:41] <LeeJunFan> [dt] : you shouldn't need to, but it wouldn't hurt. I did, but I didn't need it - I kept my /home partition that hasn't been started from scratch since about 5-6 years of mandrake.
[08:42] <ztonzy> apokryphos, :)
[08:42] <[dt] > LeeJunFan: so there's no -real- preparation 4 installing ubuntu over mdk right? :)
[08:42] <randabis> LeeJunFan: it works rather well actually
[08:42] <randabis> I'd like a kubuntu logo in place of the k logo myself
[08:42] <apokryphos> ztonzy: Hey :P
[08:42] <LeeJunFan> [dt] : well, keep home. obviously don't format /home, but format your / partition.
[08:43] <[dt] > LeeJunFan: i eny u :P wish i had a fast connection at the moment :))
[08:43] <apokryphos> randabis: go for it, then :P
[08:43] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hey hey
[08:43] <randabis> apokryphos: I need to locate one first. :) I'm too lazy to make one
[08:43] <[dt] > LeeJunFan: have u tested ubuntu on a laptop btw?
[08:43] <LeeJunFan> [dt] : remember to save stuff you might have in /var if that's not on it's own part, like mail, mysql, www, etc... if you need any of them.
[08:43] <randabis> I have ubuntu on an old laptop
[08:43] <LeeJunFan> [dt] : on 3 different ones.
[08:44] <apokryphos> randabis: you could either GIMP the one from the site, or try and get a-hold of the SVG
[08:44] <LeeJunFan> [dt] : actually 2 different ones. 2 of them are the same.
[08:44] <ztonzy> apokryphos, I tried Ubuntu RC live CD , impressive (with gnome)
[08:44] <[dt] > LeeJunFan: I don't think so... there's no real -data- in my / ; only a few packages I compiled/installed :)
[08:44] <apokryphos> ztonzy: Tried only the warty one some time ago, and I was still pretty impressed
[08:44] <apokryphos> ztonzy: the latest Kubuntu one, though, certainly took the cookie
[08:45] <LeeJunFan> [dt] : one sager amd64 3400, 1680x1050 radeon 9700, the other a sony grx with 1600x1200 screen, radeon 9200. both worked flawlessly.
[08:45] <[dt] > does suspend-to-ram/disk work? ;;)
[08:45] <apokryphos> ztonzy: took pretty long to startup, but once it had.... *very* nice.
[08:45] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hmm why?  pmount isnt there... :)
[08:45] <randabis> lol
[08:45] <LeeJunFan> [dt] : what amazes me about ubuntu the most is that it never even asks for sound/gfx/mouse config - it just fargin' works. :)
[08:45] <randabis> I forgot that I was compiling and tried to run a cedega app
[08:45] <ztonzy> apokryphos, but everything works perfect with the Ubuntu rc live cd
[08:45] <apokryphos> ztonzy: Heh; I didn't notice.
[08:45] <LeeJunFan> [dt] : that depends on the support for that particular laptop.
[08:46] <apokryphos> Oh, cool. I might have to try it out.
[08:46] <LeeJunFan> [dt] : it doesn't on either of mine.
[08:46] <ztonzy> apokryphos, well it does detect the media..,but dont mount them :(
[08:46] <[dt] > I hammered a 2.6.10 kernel to death over my mdk but I couldn't get hibernation 2 work :(
[08:46] <apokryphos> ztonzy: is pmount not kind of vital? :P
[08:46] <ztonzy> apokryphos, I did though even installed java into the RAM ;) and it worked
[08:46] <apokryphos> Ah yes, that explains the reason I couldn't access the drives yesterday...
[08:46] <ztonzy> apokryphos, for USB sticks , cameras...jupp
[08:46] <LeeJunFan> [dt] : no, it's mostly to do with acpi support in the kernel.
[08:46] <apokryphos> ztonzy: sweet. Oh, but not the HDDs.
[08:47] <[dt] > LeeJunFan: I have a Pentium-M 1.7 Toshiba laptop (m35-s456)
[08:47] <LeeJunFan> [dt] : I had only one laptop that ever worked with suspend to ram - a dell inspiron 8000.
[08:47] <apokryphos> ztonzy: can you use apt on it? Never really tried it for long amounts of time...
[08:47] <ztonzy> apokryphos, it detecs hd's too...but doesnt mount them either :(
[08:47] <ztonzy> apokryphos, apt-get? yes!
[08:47] <apokryphos> Bugger.
[08:47] <apokryphos> Cool
[08:47] <[dt] > LeeJunFan: all newer IBM laptops perfectly hiberbate and suspend (with apm though)
[08:48] <apokryphos> ztonzy: now they just have to make a type of net install or something so that users can go live > full distro.
[08:48] <ztonzy> apokryphos, i also tried with nvidia drivers...but I remember I forgot to install restricted modules...heh...so, I failed
[08:48] <ztonzy> apokryphos, yes!
[08:48] <randabis> hehe k3b takes a while to compile
[08:48] <ztonzy> apokryphos, that would be neat
[08:48] <LeeJunFan> [dt] : yeah, I sure wish it worked on mine. I do a lot of remote work and I miss being able to just be instant on.l
[08:48] <ztonzy> apokryphos, I even got impressed by the new look of Gnome , so simple, so clean heh....
[08:48] <apokryphos> ztonzy: I actually think they're working on it, but pretty sure it won't be available for hoary official ones.
[08:49] <randabis> ztonzy: it is nice, but I like kde 3.4 much better
[08:49] <apokryphos> ztonzy: Now, repeat after me: "K.. D...E".
[08:49] <ztonzy> randabis, I do use Kubuntu here :p
[08:49] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hehe...I used Ubuntu couple of months before
[08:49] <buz> repeat after me "K. D. E. BLUETOOTH"
[08:50] <apokryphos> ztonzy: Better not dwell on the dark-ages, eh?
[08:50] <[dt] > LeeJunFan, apokryphos, thanks for your help ;)
[08:50] <randabis> I never understood why paper beats rock
[08:50] <ztonzy> apokryphos, ;)
[08:50] <LeeJunFan> [dt] : no prob.
[08:50] <apokryphos> [dt] : LeeJunFan here did all the work, but no worries. :)
[08:50] <ztonzy> apokryphos, and XP then ?   evilside ? :P
[08:50] <[dt] > I'll have to wait another week to get kubuntu, I'm quite optimist though :P
[08:50] <[dt] > take care guys ;)
[08:50] <[dt] > byee =;
[08:50] <apokryphos> ztonzy: XP...what's that? :P
[08:50] <ztonzy> hehe
[08:51] <apokryphos> [dt] : see ya
[08:51] <buz> ex pee -> used to be pee i guess
[08:51] <ztonzy> apokryphos, I might install Ubuntu or Kubuntu on my sisters machine :)
[08:51] <ztonzy> that would make my day :)
[08:51] <randabis> yay
[08:51] <randabis>  k3b finished compiling
[08:51] <apokryphos> ztonzy: Nice. I converted my younger brother to it from Yoper
[08:51] <buz> i suggest OSX for family
[08:51] <apokryphos> Quite easy considering
[08:51] <apokryphos> randabis: compiling it?
[08:51] <delltony_> hey didn't release candidate come out today for hoary?
[08:51] <ztonzy> apokryphos, oh...my brother only use his computer for playing games or surf net...so...it seems no-go there
[08:51] <ztonzy> tried
[08:52] <apokryphos> delltony_: yesterday :P
[08:52] <ztonzy> delltony, today? wasn't it like some days ago ?
[08:52] <buz> WineX LOL
[08:52] <apokryphos> ztonzy: Ah, yeah. Hard to convert avid-gamers to Linux
[08:52] <apokryphos> it really is lacking in that department, though it's not really their fault.
[08:52] <delltony_> ok then i'm a day behind
[08:52] <delltony_> bummer
[08:52] <apokryphos> :)
[08:52] <randabis> apokryphos: I recompiled it to add mp3 burning support
[08:52] <ztonzy> apokryphos, and he works as a plumber...all tired...when coming home
[08:53] <apokryphos> randabis: Couldn't you have done that by just installing the .deb?
[08:53] <apokryphos> ( randabis: not from repos)
[08:53] <delltony_> ouch 209 upgrades
[08:53] <delltony_> haha
[08:53] <apokryphos> ztonzy: Ah yes. Relaxing game after hard day's work
[08:53] <randabis> apokryphos: I didn't realize there was a ubuntu .deb with mp3 enabled
[08:54] <randabis> no matter, I made my own
[08:54] <ztonzy> apokryphos, :P
[08:54] <randabis> build-dep :)
[08:54] <apokryphos> randabis: it's a debian one, but all who've tried it said it worked fine for them
[08:54] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell randabis ubuk3bmp3
[08:54] <Pyre> randabis: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21044
[08:55] <randabis> apokryphos: oh well...I already made my own deb and installed it :p
[08:55] <delltony_> there was somethign i seen on the forums the other day that was a deb install that installed flash,java,mp3 and some others for you automatically
[08:55] <apokryphos> cool :)
[08:55] <delltony_> in the hoary section
[08:56] <randabis> apokryphos: yeah, I just apt-getted the source, did a build-dep, etc
[08:56] <randabis> I just needed to make sure I had libmad0-dev
[08:56] <insanekane> is there any way to remaster the live cd ?
[08:56] <apokryphos> randabis: Never made .debs (never had to), but might do it soon for some stuff
[08:57] <delltony_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
[08:57] <randabis> apokryphos: it's pretty easy :) nice for adding features to apps...what would be even better is if we could optionally set USE= flags like in gentoo
[08:58] <ztonzy> apokryphos, did you try out Blender yet ?
[08:58] <randabis> the quality of gentoo has declined
[08:58] <randabis> I've done more than one gentoo install in my day. Apt is the better way to go imho
[08:59] <apokryphos> ztonzy: Opened it up and was far too daunted by all the options to continue 
[08:59] <randabis> hmm
[08:59] <ztonzy> haha
[08:59] <oXeN> randabis: I just gave up on gentoo
[08:59] <oXeN> after my 3rd attempt at it
[08:59] <oXeN> too much work
[08:59] <ztonzy> apokryphos, it is getting easier and easier you know...you should see the older versions
[08:59] <randabis> I wonder if my .deb would be useful to other people who need mp3 burning support in k3b
[08:59] <randabis> it should be pretty generic
[09:00] <apokryphos> randabis: Send it to me and I'll see if it works here :)
[09:00] <LeeJunFan> wth is this crap? [438]  LeeJunFan The hand of the deity is upon thee, thy nick may not change (##linux)
[09:00] <oXeN> you guys know of an ATI howto that actaully works?
[09:00] <randabis> apokryphos: dcc?
[09:00] <buz> oXeN: depends, for basic X the one in xorg is just fine
[09:00] <apokryphos> ztonzy: I need to dedicate some time to try it out; really looks like a great piece of work. Not before summer though! Exams... and yet, I still find myself on IRC.
[09:00] <randabis> or do you have somewhere I can upload?
[09:00] <randabis> it's two debs... k3b and k3blibs
[09:00] <apokryphos> randabis: I don't know why, but DCCs have always failed for me on Freenode. You could try, I guess.
[09:00] <ztonzy> apokryphos, ok
[09:00] <oXeN> buz: i am trying to get my ATI 9600XT working fully
[09:00] <apokryphos> randabis: If not I'll just give you an address to ftp up.
[09:01] <buz> composite ain't supported
[09:01] <buz> as for ogl, i don't care
[09:01] <oXeN> just want to be able to play my halflife 2 and such heh
[09:02] <randabis> oXeN: it isn't worth the trouble in linux...your performance would suck in half life 2 on that card
[09:02] <oXeN> it rocks in windows
[09:03] <oXeN> why would it suck in linux if its ok in windows/
[09:03] <oXeN> ? just the linux drivers?
[09:03] <randabis> ati's linux drivers are bad
[09:03] <apokryphos> I think it's more of a case of just Xorg not supporting it yet
[09:04] <randabis> and on top of that, you'd have to use cedega which "emulates" windows in order to allow you to play the game
[09:04] <randabis> apokryphos: nah, ati's linux drivers have always been bad
[09:04] <oXeN> randabis: yep I knew that
[09:04] <oXeN> just trying to migrate from windows completely if possible
[09:04] <ztonzy> nvidia *always* worked for me in linux...have heard not so nice stories about ati
[09:04] <randabis> and ati's latest linux drivers are xorg compatible iirc
[09:04] <chimaera> hi.
[09:05] <apokryphos> Hi :)
[09:06] <rdw200169> why won't the PyKDE packages work w/ hoary am64 5.04?
[09:06] <apokryphos> rdw200169: PyQT dependency issues
[09:07] <apokryphos> There's a bug report on it, so I think they'll be working on it soon
[09:07] <rdw200169> good, i would like to begin python programming for kde
[09:07] <rdw200169> SuperKaramba is a hoot... and impresses friends
[09:08] <chimaera> kde3.4 seems to conflict fam and depend on gamin. do i actually have to build against gamin? ./configure remains silent on this. 
[09:08] <chimaera> rdw200169: actually the only reason to use superkarambe is too much memory ;)
[09:09] <rdw200169> huh?
[09:09] <apokryphos> rdw200169: I think he/she means that it can take up too much memory
[09:09] <apokryphos> Which it can
[09:09] <apokryphos> For example -- with DCOP calls etc.
[09:09] <rdw200169> i agree... it does...
[09:10] <oXeN> do the kde 3.2,3.3 themes and such work on 3.4?
[09:10] <insanekane> anyway to get rid of the initial configuration screen (with the keyboards etc) with kubuntu hoary ?
[09:10] <rdw200169> i usually fix that by doing the python theme programming myself
[09:10] <apokryphos> It is very nice though :P. Liquid Weather.. and a few other really quite nice ones.
[09:10] <buz> they should, insanekane 
[09:10] <buz> h oxen
[09:10] <buz> i mean them themes
[09:10] <oXeN> yhx
[09:10] <apokryphos> oXeN: Generally, I think that is the case -- yes.
[09:10] <insanekane> buz: do you know of any guide/document that shows us how to remaster kubuntu ?
[09:11] <buz> na
[09:11] <apokryphos> insanekane: There's one in the making. Not out yet.
[09:11] <buz> get knoppix
[09:11] <buz> it's debian after all
[09:11] <apokryphos> it'll appear under the Documentation section on kubuntu.org when it's out
[09:11] <insanekane> apokryphos: do you know who is making it ?
[09:11] <apokryphos> insanekane: Yes. Froud.
[09:11] <insanekane> apokryphos: oho ok. thanks :)
[09:12] <apokryphos> np
[09:13] <randabis> hmm...this script would be handy for new installs
[09:13] <randabis> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
[09:14] <apokryphos> Yup
[09:14] <apokryphos> %remember ubuautomate http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
[09:14] <Pyre> apokryphos: Store this, recall that, forget the other.. There should be more to life
[09:15] <randabis> heh yeah
[09:16] <LeeJunFan> oddly amarok hasn't given me any issues with using xine output even though my xine uses arts.
[09:17] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: I think the main complaint was that streams from the Internet wouldn't work
[09:17] <insanekane> apokryphos: is kubuntu based on knoppix/morphix ? would their remastering docs be of any use ?
[09:18] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: it was just today that I started having problems with mine, and mine are all just local mp3's.
[09:18] <apokryphos> insanekane: Based on Debian, so it's more of a brother to knoppix. Not sure what they're like though... could try to check them out
[09:19] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: so you haven't got issues, you say? :)
[09:20] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: that's not what I said :)
[09:20] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: that's what the voices in my head tell me.
[09:20] <apokryphos> They speak to you too?
[09:21] <apokryphos> Trust them; they know what they're talking about
[09:22] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: yeah, god told me to use kubuntu. :)
[09:22] <insanekane> apokryphos: well, i tried to ... somehow i am not able to mount the kubuntu cloop :((
[09:22] <insanekane> apokryphos: i am tyring it on ubuntu
[09:22] <apokryphos> cloop?
[09:23] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: cloopfs? :)
[09:25] <apokryphos> :-S
[09:25] <hypno> Hi all, I'm a Linux rookie and I tried to install the preview yesterday on my Sony Laptop. Because I'm german I would like to have the german keyboard and german kde but I can't figure out where to set this. wlan (bg2200) would be nice too ;-)  
[09:26] <Curalton> preview still comes without kde-i18n on CD? O.o
[09:28] <hypno> I tried to install the german i18n package with ksynapic no error message but i can't select the german package in kde english seems to be fixed
[09:28] <ztonzy> apokryphos, got your webcam running ?
[09:28] <Curalton> hypno: have you used kcontrol?
[09:28] <apokryphos> Heh, I'm a lazy bugger. Not even tried.
[09:28] <Curalton> localisation there, switching to german?
[09:28] <apokryphos> will try now actually
[09:29] <Curalton> kcontrol as in the kde settings manager
[09:29] <hypno> Curalton: yes tried kcontrol can't select the german package
[09:31] <hypno> Curalton: I read in a forum that their should be a programme to switch localisation but i can't find it. 
[09:31] <ztonzy> apokryphos, was to me ?
[09:31] <Curalton> hypno: oh, you wrote something
[09:32] <Curalton> didnt see it on my back background >.<
[09:32] <Curalton> someone set +c in here 
[09:32] <apokryphos> ztonzy: yeah, fiddling with it now
[09:32] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hehe
[09:32] <randabis> man konqueror can become really unresponsive after prolonged use :/
[09:32] <randabis> killing it and restarting seems to fix it for a while
[09:33] <Curalton> hypno: ah, i see. second..
[09:34] <apokryphos> ztonzy: what did you use to test whether it works?
[09:34] <apokryphos> ztonzy: gnomemeeting isn't finding my device :(
[09:34] <ztonzy> apokryphos, camorama or gnome-meeting
[09:34] <apokryphos> ztonzy: ok, will try canorama
[09:35] <ztonzy> either v4l2  or v4l
[09:35] <ztonzy> :)
[09:35] <Curalton> hypno: what does "apt-cache policy kde-i18n-de" say? thats the one you have to install
[09:35] <Curalton> (or search for that in synaptic)
[09:35] <ztonzy> my didnt work with v4l2  but with v4l
[09:35] <apokryphos> ztonzy: yeah, those are the two it wouldn't find a device for. 
[09:35] <ztonzy> apokryphos, maybe you need to get some nice drivers ?
[09:36] <apokryphos> ztonzy: Hm, perhaps. Canorama not in repos?
[09:36] <ztonzy> I think yes
[09:36] <ztonzy> http://mxhaard.free.fr/download.html
[09:36] <Curalton> selbel
[09:37] <Curalton> selbel
[09:37] <hypno> Curalton: I'm on windows at the moment because the wlan does not work in kubuntu (at the moment ) try it later...  
[09:37] <Curalton> whops
[09:38] <Curalton> im not making sense, sorry was messing with my synergy setup and in the wrong monitor :)
[09:38] <apokryphos> ztonzy: hmm, can't find canorama. 
[09:38] <Curalton> i better go change my rootpassword then *g*
[09:38] <Curalton> hypno: ok, and better turn of those irssi colours
[09:38] <ztonzy> apokryphos, "universe" ?
[09:39] <apokryphos> ztonzy: nah, it's not in any of thsoe: http://higgs.djpig.de/cgi-ubuntu/search_packages.pl?keywords=canorama&searchon=names&subword=1&version=hoary&release=all
[09:39] <apokryphos> *those
[09:39] <ztonzy> hmmm
[09:39] <ztonzy> I did it
[09:40] <hypno> Curalton: try it... thanks at the moment . I leave now cu
[09:40] <ztonzy> apokryphos, yes..."universe"  gnome desktop section
[09:40] <randabis> yeah canorama is not in ubuntu's repos
[09:41] <apokryphos> ztonzy: Hm, it's not there because that search up there would show it if it was... though I obviously have multi/universe enabled. :P
[09:41] <randabis> apt-cache search returns no results as well
[09:42] <apokryphos> ztonzy: if it's definitely in your repos, it might be worth pastebinning your sources.list so we can see the extra ones you've got
[09:43] <LeeJunFan> randabis: you mean camorama?
[09:44] <randabis> =o
[09:44] <randabis> new nvidia-glx drivers in hoary
[09:44] <apokryphos> hehe; downloading
[09:44] <randabis> 71.67
[09:44] <apokryphos> Darn it. Could not connect to video device
[09:45] <ztonzy> apokryphos, I think I got it from you :P
[09:45] <apokryphos> ztonzy: yeah, no worries; got the program.
[09:45] <apokryphos> I actually wonder whether it still works on Windoze letter lone Linux
[09:47] <randabis> brb
[09:47] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hehe
[09:50] <ztonzy> apokryphos, oh...btw where did you get Camorama ?
[09:51] <randabis> I do daily apt-get dist-upgrades
[09:52] <randabis> until hoary is final, it is better to do dist-upgrade so packages don't get held back
[09:52] <ztonzy> randabis, but what about X/nvidia drivers for say ??
[09:52] <ztonzy> once I had to re-install it and re-enable it
[09:52] <ztonzy> randabis, true
[09:52] <randabis> they work fine for me...I just upgraded from 66.29 to 71.64 (that's why I rebooted)
[09:53] <ztonzy> you didnt need to do anything ?
[09:54] <randabis> nope
[09:54] <randabis> just did my dist-upgrade, and rebooted after it was finished
[09:54] <randabis> technically I didn't even have to reboot, but I wanted to
[09:54] <randabis> I could have just restarted the x server
[09:55] <omni_lonnie> hooray for new nvidia drivers!  I'll try them the moment I get home :D
[09:55] <randabis> yeah I didn't think they would make it into hoary
[09:55] <randabis> it's awesome how quickly the devs work
[09:56] <ztonzy> randabis, and ...did grub list change too ?
[09:56] <ztonzy> I remember it does
[09:56] <ztonzy> and I have to put back my XP lines there *sighs*
[09:56] <randabis> ztonzy: menu.lst only changes if a kernel upgrade takes place
[09:56] <ztonzy> randabis, well does it with dist-upgrade ?
[09:56] <randabis> if a kernel upgrade is available then yes
[09:57] <ztonzy> :(
[09:57] <randabis> doesn't bother me since I don't dual boot another os
[09:58] <ztonzy> of course not
[09:58] <ztonzy> but I need (if new kernel...or use old)...maybe to rebuild some drivers...for my webcam 
[09:59] <Riddell> brainkilla: hi
[09:59] <randabis> yeah if you have non-standard drivers you'll have to rebuild them
[10:00] <ztonzy> yupp
[10:00] <brainkilla> I got a problem with kubuntu package for kde bluetooth...
[10:00] <ztonzy> how fast can the ubuntu repostry servers be ?
[10:00] <ztonzy> I mostly get max about 640 kB/s.....my topspeed should be twice that
[10:01] <brainkilla> riddel: can you help me somehow?
[10:02] <apokryphos> ztonzy: it might be worth trying out a few mirrors, then.
[10:02] <apokryphos> ztonzy: nice speed ;-)
[10:02] <ztonzy> apokryphos, 10/1 mbit/s   yes it is nice...what mirrors ?
[10:02] <ztonzy> I see   it like this  'se.ubuntu.******'
[10:03] <ztonzy> hmm
[10:03] <apokryphos> Ah, you're using a mirror there yourself; your sources.list must have altered since I gave you mine...
[10:03] <ztonzy> apokryphos, btw... xawtv should also be able to view webcam, but I still havent manage to make it
[10:03] <ztonzy> apokryphos, oh
[10:03] <randabis> ubuntu needs something list mirrorlist in gentoo
[10:03] <ztonzy> apokryphos, wanna see it ?
[10:04] <apokryphos> Alright, sure.
[10:04] <randabis> mirrorlist checks for mirrors and picks the fastest ones in your area for you
[10:04] <ztonzy> apokryphos, lol....quite short list ;)
[10:04] <randabis> I think there is something similar in debian/ubuntu called aptspy, but I never could get it working well
[10:05] <apokryphos> wow, a transfer on Freenode that worked!
[10:05] <ztonzy> apokryphos, sorry :) ?
[10:05] <apokryphos> heh, yeah, I got it. Yup, you're using the se mirrors there
[10:06] <ztonzy> is it fast as it can be then ?
[10:06] <apokryphos> It should be... I guess you could try altering to the general one
[10:06] <apokryphos> backup that file, and I'll send you mine
[10:07] <ztonzy> yay
[10:08] <apokryphos> ztonzy: if it doesn't go faster, then it's worth sticking with the old one, as it's more local
[10:08] <ztonzy> sure
[10:08] <apokryphos> Relogging in; be back in a sec
[10:10] <ztonzy> apokryphos, aah....37 repositries now...but some failed something with some key
[10:11] <apokryphos> Don't worry about that.. ;-)
[10:11] <ztonzy> ok
[10:11] <ztonzy> now dist-upgrade :P ?
[10:12] <ztonzy> yay
[10:12] <ztonzy> needs to get 441 MB :)
[10:12] <apokryphos> hehe
[10:12] <ztonzy> J/n :P
[10:13] <ztonzy> still same speed
[10:14] <apokryphos> They might have a limit on them like that, then. 
[10:15] <ztonzy> eh
[10:15] <ztonzy> capped servers
[10:15] <ztonzy> 21%
[10:15] <ztonzy> :)
[10:15] <ztonzy> 22
[10:15] <ztonzy> 23
[10:16] <apokryphos> I'm sure that's of some significance :s
[10:16] <ztonzy> I hope system work after this
[10:16] <TechLord_Work> what file system would u guys use ext3 or reiser
[10:16] <ztonzy> I use default...ext3
[10:17] <ztonzy> apokryphos, do you have 64bit system or only x386 ?
[10:18] <apokryphos> A poor i386-er at the mo
[10:18] <ztonzy> ah
[10:18] <ztonzy> wanna have a late blender build ?
[10:18] <ztonzy> like for latest cvs ?
[10:19] <ztonzy> from*
[10:19] <apokryphos> Heh. Not sure if it's any use to me here 
[10:19] <ztonzy> it has those transform widgets now :)
[10:19] <ztonzy> like in max, maya and similar tools
[10:19] <ztonzy> wow
[10:19] <apokryphos> hehe
[10:20] <ztonzy> I compile blender and do dist-upgrade at same time...running a java chat and irc :P
[10:20] <apokryphos> You'll have to give me regular updates on your character there
[10:20] <ztonzy> sure
[10:20] <ztonzy> I dont know when I showed last time...I guess I havent done anything since
[10:20] <ztonzy> http://www.elysiun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=385245#385245
[10:22] <apokryphos> ztonzy: ah, the work on the face is new there
[10:23] <ztonzy> apokryphos, maybe it is ?
[10:23] <ztonzy> for you...
[10:23] <apokryphos> Yeah
[10:23] <ztonzy> digging out hole now for eyes
[10:23] <ztonzy> not as we chat...but...
[10:23] <apokryphos> yeah
[10:23] <ztonzy> oh  98%
[10:28] <ztonzy> unpacking
[10:28] <apokryphos> cool
[10:28] <ztonzy> hmmm  to cups of coffee...wondering if I can sleep :)
[10:36] <ztonzy> wow
[10:36] <ztonzy> done !
[10:36] <ztonzy> now I need to reboot
[10:43] <kkathman> Under kubuntu konqueror I can see all my partitions and my floppy, but for some reason the CD-Rom doesnt show up...does this just not show up under Konqueror?
[10:44] <TheCan> hi. anyone having problems with displaying polish characters in kubuntu when installing in polish language version?
[10:47] <ztonzy> apokryphos, wanna try out latest Blender ?
[10:48] <apokryphos> ztonzy: Thanks, but not really -- I wouldn't know the difference. =)
[10:48] <ztonzy> you would :)
[10:48] <ztonzy> subsurf speedup
[10:48] <ztonzy> and new transform widgets  --> eyecandy
[10:49] <delltony> ztonzy: you got your sister on nix yet?
[10:50] <ztonzy> delltony, lol no...need a free day for that matter
[10:50] <delltony> how old is she i'll do it for you ;)
[10:50] <ztonzy> need to re-learn here some things too...in the GUI
[10:50] <ztonzy> lol
[10:50] <ztonzy> she is 37
[10:50] <delltony> then sign me up 
[10:50] <apokryphos> hehe
[10:51] <ztonzy> hehe...she is occupied already :)
[10:51] <delltony> ill teach her how to multitask :p
[10:51] <TechLord_Work> what is blender?
[10:51] <delltony> apropos blender
[10:51] <ztonzy> delltony, she can do that already, being a woman you know...
[10:51] <ztonzy> so please be gentle
[10:52] <ztonzy> TechLord_Work, 3D tool    www.blender3d.org
[10:52] <delltony> apt-cache search blender tells youw hat it is
[10:53] <delltony> if it is installed you can apropos it and read the info line in the man
[10:53] <delltony> ztonzy: i'm gentle i was only kiddin
[10:54] <ztonzy> delltony, yes I know :)  
[10:54] <ztonzy> need to reboot
[10:54] <ztonzy> brb
[10:54] <delltony> ztonzy: my personal advice others may say different
[10:54] <delltony> but learn the terminal commands first
[10:54] <delltony> then the gui will be a piece of cake
[10:55] <delltony> cause if the don't end up working you will know how to create or fix them so they do (to the most part)
[10:55] <delltony> example sometimes the network thing doesn't work right for me in kde, so if i use the terminal and do sudo pico /etc/network/interfaces i can manually add the things
[10:55] <delltony> just my tip of the day :p
[10:56] <delltony> side not anyone get this stupid show called dance 360?
[10:56] <delltony> this is worse than soul train
[10:58] <delltony> reboot linux ? i wonder if he knows about ctrl alt backspace?
[11:00] <delltony> ztonzy: curious how are you rebooting?
[11:00] <delltony> and why?
[11:00] <ztonzy> delltony, I did a full reboot
[11:00] <ztonzy> dist-upgrade
[11:00] <delltony> aww ok
[11:01] <delltony> fixing to say you can do a simple restart with ctrl alt backspace that restarts x
[11:01] <ztonzy> but my desktop and panels didnt workout ....desktop image dissapeared...panel missed whole lot of things
[11:01] <delltony> speaking of that i need to run my dist ugrade too
[11:01] <ztonzy> delltony, sure..but kernel were updated too
[11:01] <delltony> thats why i said aww ok
[11:01] <delltony> and for the panel thing i had that issue
[11:02] <delltony> had to kill kicker
[11:02] <delltony> and then restart it
[11:02] <ztonzy> is it fixed if remove .kde ?
[11:02] <ztonzy> ah ?
[11:02] <delltony> your panel is kicker i got the erorr can't load panel when i updated
[11:02] <delltony> so i did a killall kicker in the shell
[11:03] <delltony> and then loaded it back up
[11:03] <delltony> or youc an do pgrep kicker and get the psid
[11:03] <ztonzy> aah
[11:03] <delltony> and kill psidhere
[11:03] <ztonzy> but I added stuff manual...does it matter ?
[11:03] <delltony> added stuff to the panel?
[11:03] <ztonzy> yes
[11:03] <delltony> well in my instance it got wiped
[11:03] <ztonzy> it was almost blank
[11:03] <delltony> for instance i had a link to home
[11:04] <delltony> and so forth
[11:04] <kkathman> in Konqueror, is there a way to get to a "two pane" orientation somewhat like Explorer in Windows?
[11:04] <Curalton> yes, you can get the filetree left somehow
[11:04] <kkathman> Apparently this is supposed to be a default, but it isnt on my system...all I get is a single window with icons
[11:05] <delltony> like kfmclient openProfile filemanager ?
[11:05] <Curalton> ah, and to divde it click on the bottom status line and divide the view
[11:05] <delltony> management i mean kkathman
[11:05] <delltony> well time to go to work and baby site a press later on
[11:06] <kkathman> delltony, I dont know that one Im afraid
[11:06] <delltony> type this in run
[11:06] <kkathman> Curalton,  you were indicating some divide somewhere?
[11:06] <delltony> type kmfclient openProfile filemanagement
[11:06] <Curalton> statusline, you can rightclick on that
[11:06] <delltony> i'm assuming that is what you want
[11:07] <Curalton> ah, this treeview too
[11:07] <kkathman> Curalton, I see that, but thats only like two independent views... Im wanting to have the two panes dependent
[11:07] <kkathman> much like explorer
[11:08] <delltony> did you try the command i gave you?
[11:08] <Curalton> load the filemanager view of delltony 
[11:08] <kkathman> I'll try that now delltony
[11:08] <Curalton> via gui its prefs -> load profile -> filemanagment
[11:09] <chavo> kkathman, you have to hit F9 or go to Window -> Show Navigation Panel
[11:09] <chavo> then click on the root folder icon in the navigation panel
[11:09] <kkathman> chavo - thats it thanks
[11:10] <chavo> kkathman, you can save the profile if you want that view as default
[11:10] <kkathman> I think I'll do that :)
[11:12] <Curalton> hm, it misses "hide system trees (/sys /proc /dev maybe /boot)"
[11:13] <robodex> maybe /boot/? so we're using fuzzy switches now? ;)
[11:14] <kkathman> ahh thats much better...thanks guyz :)
[11:14] <robodex> hey, anyone had any success in installing the baghira theme? I installed it from the repository but it only gives me widget style, not a theme
[11:16] <randabis> robodex: it doesn't have a .theme file so you have to manually set everything in kcontrol
[11:16] <randabis> you change it to baghira in style and window decoration
[11:17] <robodex> where do I change window decoration? (it isn't in the control center for some reason)
[11:18] <lunitik> robodex: should be 'Appearence and Themes > Window Decorations'... you sure its not there?
[11:18] <randabis> it is on mine...
[11:18] <randabis> two below style
[11:18] <robodex> all i have is background, colors, fonts, icons, launch feedback, screen saver, styles, theme manager
[11:19] <robodex> (under appearance and themes)
[11:19] <randabis> that's strange
[11:19] <robodex> heh, all I did was instal kubuntu-desktop from synaptic, so it's not like I did anything silly :\
[11:20] <lunitik> robodex: its there for everyone else that did the same thing... 
[11:20] <robodex> O_o
[11:21] <robodex> then again I've had a few weird problems... but afaik it installed fine; I didn't get any problems when setting it up :\
[11:21] <ztonzy> randabis, my webcam still works :)
[11:21] <randabis> cool
[11:22] <randabis> that's because there wasn't a kernel upgrade in the last round of updates today
[11:22] <chavo> robodex, try running -> kcmshell kwindecoration
[11:22] <ztonzy> randabis, ok
[11:23] <robodex> k
[11:23] <robodex> kcmshell (kdelibs): WARNING: Could not find module 'kwindecoration'.
[11:23] <robodex> O_o
[11:23] <chavo> ok
[11:24] <unnameablePLAYER> anyone used kubuntu on a 7422GX amd 64 laptop, gateway
[11:25] <randabis> sounds like your upgrade did not go as well as it could have :/
[11:25] <randabis> should be easy to fix though
[11:25] <randabis> just find the missing packages and install them
[11:25] <robodex> how would I go about fixing it, then?
[11:25] <unnameablePLAYER> supposedly FC3 works out of the box on it with ndiswrapper
[11:25] <randabis> unnameablePLAYER: you'll probably have to configure ndiswrapper at the very least
[11:26] <robodex> I don't know exactly what to install, though... I searched for kwindecoration and it find anything
[11:26] <randabis> there's a ndiswrapper how-to in the ubuntu wiki
[11:26] <unnameablePLAYER> i wonder if they will ship those with it custom partitioned
[11:28] <Mithsir> Hi! I had a problem the other day about my "devices"-section in konqueror not working anymore. I found the fix: the devices section is just an ordinary link, you can right-click it. it seems that the kde device:/ protocol has changed to media:/ in kde 3.4. I had to manually change this...  shouldn't kubuntu do this for me?
[11:29] <randabis> Mithsir: it's still in development...file a bug report so it can be fixed
[11:30] <phxguy> Can Someone help me with my volume control?
[11:30] <phxguy> it doesn''t seem to work
[11:30] <robodex> would reinstalling kcontrol fix the problem with the missing module?
[11:30] <phxguy> I can only control my volume by adjusting the headset level
[11:31] <Mithsir> randabis, ok, I will. I'm very happy now, that it works, though. kde finally recognizes usb-sticks etc automatically and also cleanly unmounts them.
[11:31] <robodex> phxguy: try going into the console and running alsamixer
[11:31] <Curalton> Mithsir: oh, good point!
[11:31] <Curalton> Mithsir: that should be told the guys in #kde-devel or so
[11:31] <phxguy> what do i do in there robodex?
[11:32] <Mithsir> another thing: I filed a bug about openoffice not working in kubuntu (kde). now it's said, that there's a new openoffice.org-kde package in the archives. Where is it? it doesn't show in my list..
[11:32] <robodex> phxguy: it's like a volume control app... you can try adjusting it from there
[11:32] <Mithsir> Curalton, whatcha mean about those #kde-devel guys?
[11:32] <randabis> Mithsir: have you run apt-get update?
[11:33] <phxguy> that doesn't really solve my problem though robodex 
[11:33] <Mithsir> randabis, i've updated the package-lists ('u' in aptitude), yes
[11:34] <Curalton> Mithsir: it seems this is not ubuntu but globally kde specific
[11:34] <phunky> talking of volume control
[11:34] <kbrooks> :P
[11:34] <kbrooks> ping
[11:35] <phunky> is there any way to configure the volume contron on the outside of my latop to affect KDE's volume control?
[11:35] <phxguy> id like to control the volume using the volume control in the taskbar
[11:35] <robodex> reinstalling kcontrol didn't fix the problem :\ but I gotta go afk now, bb in about 10 minutes
[11:36] <robodex> phxguy: if you have sound then kmixer should work :\
[11:36] <robodex> afk
[11:36] <randabis> robodex: might want to reinstall the whole kubuntu-desktop package
[11:36] <phxguy> robodex: unfortunately it doesn't work right. the master vol doesn't do anything
[11:37] <phxguy> anyone else have any ideas on the matter?/
[11:37] <unnameablePLAYER> does kde still use arts
[11:38] <LeeJunFan> unnameablePLAYER: yes
[11:39] <robodex> randabis: k, I'll do that
[11:39] <robodex> I guess I should be in another WM while I do that, though, huh?
[11:39] <Mithsir> Curalton, well, Im not sure who is in charge of updating the users profile/settings when upgrading kde...
[11:39] <randabis> couldn't hurt
[11:39] <robodex> :p
[11:40] <robodex> cya later, I'll come back tomorrow and report my success/failure (I have to go to work soon)
[11:40] <robodex> bye
[11:42] <Curalton> Mithsir: i'd say kde guys, backwards compatibility is their concern. what also works is the "reset to system defaults" point
[11:43] <unnameablePLAYER> a version of kde without artsd would be so awesome
[11:43] <Curalton> remove the artsd binary or turn support of in kcontrol?
[11:44] <unnameablePLAYER> or even a demon that checked for artsd or esd being on and killed it
[11:44] <unnameablePLAYER> even if you shut it off, some progs still try to use it
[11:44] <unnameablePLAYER> at least, they did
[11:45] <Curalton> echo -e '#!/bin/sh\nexit 0' > `which artsd`
[11:45] <Mithsir> Curalton, where can I find that?
[11:46] <Mithsir> Wow, I just found out that I can open seperate "virtual x servers", just like consoles under F1-F6...
[11:46] <Curalton> Mithsir: here it is in the "add" menu when you rightlick on the bar
[11:47] <ztonzy> apokryphos, you there ?
[11:48] <randabis> unnameablePLAYER: you can remove arts if you want
[11:49] <randabis> you can completely remove the package...then it can't be used :p
[11:49] <unnameablePLAYER> I will try that when I install this week
[11:52] <louiej> quick question why isn't kubuntu downloadable from the ubuntu site?
[11:53] <Riddell> louiej: it is
[11:53] <randabis> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-release-candidate.php
[11:53] <Mithsir> Curalton, can't find it (I have an i18nized kde)
[11:54] <Curalton> Mithsir: "Hinzufgen" -> "Auf Systemstandard zurcksetzen"
[11:55] <louiej> I can't seem to find the reference from ubuntu.org wouldn't this confuse the association with ubuntu and kubuntu?
[11:57] <louiej> I mean there is an association/link from kubuntu.org to ubuntu,org