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| mdke | OMG LOL | 12:56 |
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| mdke | awesome email to the list | 12:56 |
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| Burgundavia | ? | 01:01 |
| mdke | the birthday email | 01:02 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 01:02 |
| Burgundavia | is that for real? | 01:02 |
| mdke | i assume the guy just sent it to the whole mailbox | 01:02 |
| Burgundavia | I have a few of those things sitting around from other friends | 01:03 |
| Burgundavia | great way to get rich through advertising | 01:03 |
| mdke | i get ones saying "please add your contact details to this website" | 01:03 |
| mdke | i tell them that I'm no longer their friend | 01:03 |
| Burgundavia | I am eventually going to do the same thing for myself, but on my own server, as part of my own calendering system | 01:04 |
| mdke | you're far too organised | 01:04 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 01:05 |
| mdke | ;) | 01:05 |
| Burgundavia | I want to run a Hula server when it hits the repos | 01:05 |
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| jsgotangco | hello | 03:45 |
| Burgundavia | salut | 03:47 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 03:54 |
| Burgundavia | hello | 04:00 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 04:00 |
| Burgundavia | testing the various irc functions | 04:01 |
| Burgundavia | ctcp clientinfo didn't return anything | 04:01 |
| jsgotangco | maybe its because i am in a firewall? | 04:02 |
| Burgundavia | could be | 04:03 |
| Flonne | Feel free to test things on me. (irssi) | 04:03 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco: I even got your mhz | 04:03 |
| jsgotangco | eh? | 04:03 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco- VERSION xchat 2.4.1 Linux 2.6.10-5-686 [i686/600.78MHz] | 04:04 |
| jsgotangco | show it to me | 04:04 |
| jsgotangco | hehehe | 04:04 |
| jsgotangco | thats strange | 04:04 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 04:04 |
| Burgundavia | is that real? | 04:04 |
| jsgotangco | oh is it because i am in battery mode? | 04:04 |
| Burgundavia | -Burgundavia- VERSION xchat 2.4.1 Linux 2.6.10-5-k7 [i686/2.21GHz] | 04:04 |
| jsgotangco | can you try it again? | 04:04 |
| Burgundavia | seems to be just xchat | 04:04 |
| Burgundavia | same thing | 04:04 |
| jsgotangco | hmm i am in a Pentium M laptop | 04:05 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco: you are in the phillipines right? | 04:05 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 04:05 |
| Burgundavia | clientinfo gets me nothing | 04:06 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 04:06 |
| Burgundavia | what is XDCC list? | 04:07 |
| jsgotangco | dont know much bout x-chat either | 04:07 |
| Burgundavia | I don't know much about the general irc operation | 04:08 |
| Burgundavia | but I am putting myself up for #ubuntu chan op | 04:08 |
| Burgundavia | so I figure I had better learn | 04:08 |
| jsgotangco | ooohhh | 04:09 |
| jsgotangco | how hard could it be? | 04:10 |
| Burgundavia | all I really have to do is kick people | 04:10 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 04:11 |
| jsgotangco | are u familiar with po files? | 04:11 |
| Burgundavia | not really | 04:11 |
| Burgundavia | I don't speak any other languages fluently, so I haven't bothered learning | 04:11 |
| jsgotangco | well that's one thing to consider | 04:12 |
| jsgotangco | but im taking a stab on this one i just dont know if words that start with & also need to be translated like for example &conventions | 04:12 |
| jsgotangco | my guess is no | 04:13 |
| Burgundavia | no, I think those are docbook variable | 04:13 |
| Burgundavia | s | 04:13 |
| jsgotangco | i guessed the same | 04:13 |
| Flonne | Those are environment variables defined by the include-like statements at the top, jsgotangco. | 04:15 |
| jsgotangco | i see | 04:16 |
| Flonne | In the case of &conventions;, it should link to libs/conventions.xml (iirc), though I'm not sure if that link is to the English file or not. (You'd have to ask froud or someone else) | 04:16 |
| Flonne | I know DocBook, but I don't fully understand this system yet. ^^ | 04:17 |
| jsgotangco | thanks well i dont really have to make a full scale translation but i just want to cover some basic stuff before i go deeper thats what froud recommended | 04:19 |
| jsgotangco | Burgy you have to start being popular then! | 04:28 |
| Burgundavia | ? | 04:30 |
| jsgotangco | to be a good op | 04:30 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 04:30 |
| sabmoc | froud-away:: ok, thanks for the example | 05:16 |
| jsgotangco | hello sabmoc | 05:18 |
| sabmoc | jsgotangco:: hey dude :) | 05:18 |
| sabmoc | jsgotangco:: and how are you today? | 05:19 |
| jsgotangco | im good now | 05:19 |
| sabmoc | thats good | 05:19 |
| jsgotangco | i still have a bad throat though | 05:20 |
| jsgotangco | brb need to reboot x | 05:25 |
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| jsgotangco | hi Liz | 05:33 |
| Liz | hi jsgotangco | 05:33 |
| sabmoc | you hurd it hear first folks: http://69.90.152.144/collab/GoogleMapsHacking | 05:35 |
| jsgotangco | googlemaps on emacs sheesshh | 05:35 |
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| jsgotangco | bbl | 06:46 |
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| froud | African Greetings | 08:41 |
| Burgundavia | salut | 08:41 |
| Burgundavia | I am working on a one page pamphlet about ubuntu | 08:42 |
| froud | Burgundavia: where does it go | 08:42 |
| Burgundavia | nowhere yet | 08:43 |
| Burgundavia | I am making it for Linux Fest Northwest, which I will be going to in April | 08:43 |
| Burgundavia | which brings me to my point | 08:43 |
| froud | Oh Nice | 08:43 |
| Burgundavia | I need some better fonts | 08:43 |
| Burgundavia | do you have some good readable font suggestions? | 08:44 |
| jsgotangco | Verdana, Times New Roman *grin* | 08:45 |
| jsgotangco | ok dont mind me | 08:45 |
| Burgundavia | vah | 08:45 |
| Burgundavia | bah | 08:45 |
| Burgundavia | damn keyboard | 08:45 |
| froud | Burgundavia: for headings use Helvetica | 08:45 |
| froud | For body text use Bookman Old | 08:46 |
| Burgundavia | is that part of mstt core fonts? | 08:46 |
| froud | Hmmm Dunno about MS dude | 08:46 |
| Burgundavia | they are | 08:47 |
| Burgundavia | I just realized that I dont have mscore fonts installed | 08:47 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm i have been studying this docbook stuff but i forgot to ask where they are located in hoary? Is it a package? | 08:49 |
| froud | jsgotangco: yes, just search in synaptic for docbook | 08:50 |
| jsgotangco | how about the actual ubuntu-doc? | 08:51 |
| froud | what about it | 08:51 |
| froud | just seach for ubuntu-doc | 08:51 |
| jsgotangco | oh wait | 08:51 |
| jsgotangco | i didnt have it installed | 08:51 |
| jsgotangco | thats why | 08:51 |
| jsgotangco | *doh* | 08:51 |
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| jeffsch | froud: I have a question about quick guide... | 08:57 |
| jeffsch | &conventions; | 08:57 |
| jeffsch | where is the text for that entity? | 08:57 |
| jeffsch | okay, I found it... | 09:05 |
| froud | jeffsch: all entities are defined in /libs/global.ent | 09:05 |
| jeffsch | next question: is conventions.xml frozen? | 09:05 |
| froud | no | 09:06 |
| froud | it has also not been translated | 09:06 |
| jeffsch | ok. Because that's where the "eample below" text is... remember the email to the list from Stephen Shirley? | 09:07 |
| froud | yep | 09:07 |
| froud | thanks for getting around to it | 09:08 |
| jeffsch | I only now realized it was not in quickguide.xml :( | 09:08 |
| jeffsch | There's something else... | 09:08 |
| froud | yes it's a common xml instance | 09:08 |
| froud | yes | 09:08 |
| jeffsch | When you open yelp to the front page, it has the ubuntu docs | 09:09 |
| jeffsch | the version is 5.4 | 09:09 |
| jeffsch | how to fix? | 09:09 |
| froud | see the VERSION file | 09:09 |
| jeffsch | it only has the text 01 | 09:10 |
| froud | lemme se | 09:11 |
| froud | you talking about quick guide now right? | 09:12 |
| jeffsch | yes. the VERSION file in the same folder as quickguide.xml | 09:13 |
| froud | the rev is only mentioned in &quickguide-rev; | 09:13 |
| froud | this equals Hoary Hedgehog | 09:14 |
| jeffsch | sorry, it's not quickguide rev that is the issue | 09:15 |
| jeffsch | let me rephrase... | 09:15 |
| froud | ok | 09:15 |
| jeffsch | type yelp at command line. it opens, and for quickguide desc it says " A quick tour of the Ubuntu 5.4 "Hoary Hedgehog" | 09:16 |
| froud | Ah | 09:16 |
| jeffsch | should be 5.04 | 09:16 |
| jeffsch | plus, it's not exactly 100% grammatically correct. I think it's missing the word "desktop" | 09:18 |
| froud | it is in the omf file | 09:19 |
| jeffsch | or at least get rid of "the" | 09:19 |
| froud | I will fix it | 09:19 |
| jeffsch | I will fix the "example below" thing | 09:19 |
| froud | ok | 09:19 |
| froud | done | 09:20 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm i didnt notice that till jeffsch mention it | 09:21 |
| froud | jsgotangco: that's why many eyes are good ;-) | 09:22 |
| froud | Hey must start working | 09:22 |
| jeffsch | is there a way to quickly search svn history to find when the "example below" was removed? | 09:22 |
| jsgotangco | its 5.4 hehehe | 09:22 |
| froud | svn log | 09:23 |
| jeffsch | ahhh. I redirect it to a file, and then search the file? | 09:23 |
| froud | no | 09:23 |
| froud | just run svn log filename | 09:23 |
| jeffsch | ok, so that gives me a list of 5 previous revs. How to easily search each one? I don't have to get each rev, do I? | 09:25 |
| froud | jsgotangco: svn blame filename | 09:27 |
| jeffsch | hmmm... maybe the example was never there in the first place. each log says that only 1 or 2 lines was changed. | 09:27 |
| froud | svn --help for commands | 09:29 |
| froud | svn --help command for help on command | 09:29 |
| froud | but Jeff why dont you just install eSvn | 09:29 |
| froud | its in Universe | 09:29 |
| froud | apt-get install esvn | 09:29 |
| froud | apt-get install esvn-doc | 09:29 |
| froud | needs Qt | 09:30 |
| froud | need subversion | 09:30 |
| jsgotangco | oh its a front end | 09:30 |
| froud | the later you have | 09:30 |
| jsgotangco | i will install that | 09:30 |
| froud | yes | 09:30 |
| jeffsch | ok. i will try esvn later. | 09:30 |
| froud | much easier for you and you can also help edit and contribute to my manua ;-) | 09:30 |
| jsgotangco | i will install it now | 09:31 |
| froud | the current version in testing is 0.6.9 | 09:31 |
| froud | Universe may be a bit behind that | 09:31 |
| jsgotangco | the one in universe is 0.6.5+2-1 | 09:32 |
| froud | but once you have it installed just use the help menu to check for new versions | 09:32 |
| froud | we have done lots of work on eSvn to make is user friendly | 09:32 |
| froud | makes life quicker | 09:32 |
| jeffsch | froud: for now, in conventions.xml, i will just remove mention of an example. I will not create an example. | 09:33 |
| froud | cool | 09:33 |
| froud | I think I remove dthe xref | 09:33 |
| froud | caus eit was breaking | 09:33 |
| froud | my bad | 09:33 |
| froud | well so I see from the blame | 09:34 |
| jeffsch | ahhh... now I know what blame means. hehe | 09:34 |
| jeffsch | ok. I committed the "example below" thing. somebody please double check my work... it's late and i'm too tired... | 09:45 |
| jeffsch | time for bed. cya | 09:45 |
| froud | thanks jeff | 09:45 |
| froud | checked, nice one thanks | 09:46 |
| froud | oh he's gone | 09:47 |
| froud | darn irc | 09:47 |
| jsgotangco | conventions.xml | 09:50 |
| jsgotangco | that was fast | 09:50 |
| froud-work | jsgotangco: I work very fast. That's how I get lots done. Not always accurate, but I do get things done ;-) | 09:51 |
| jsgotangco | this doc thing is really interesting | 09:51 |
| froud-work | jsgotangco: what do you mean doc thing? | 09:51 |
| jsgotangco | i mean the whole thing | 09:51 |
| jsgotangco | how it gets done, committed, etc | 09:52 |
| froud-work | you mean docbook xml and repos | 09:52 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 09:52 |
| jsgotangco | because its new to me | 09:52 |
| froud-work | :-) tried tested and proven over the ages | 09:52 |
| froud-work | but has high barrier to entry for newbie | 09:53 |
| froud-work | but those who stay with it have an advantage | 09:53 |
| jsgotangco | it does but it just needs a lot of reading | 09:53 |
| jsgotangco | to get familiar with it | 09:53 |
| froud-work | an experimentation | 09:53 |
| froud-work | and some help from your friends :-) | 09:54 |
| jsgotangco | aye | 09:54 |
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| jsgotangco | bleah reboot x | 10:21 |
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| Liz | bbl | 10:47 |
| jsgotangco | bbl | 11:10 |
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| jsgotangco | i know what BOF means but what does Mao mean? | 11:46 |
| Kinnison | It's the name of a card game | 11:47 |
| jsgotangco | i have an agenda conference and it had a BOF at 2100 or Mao | 11:48 |
| Kinnison | Hmm where's this? | 11:49 |
| jsgotangco | Claire sent it to me | 11:49 |
| jsgotangco | its scary | 11:49 |
| jsgotangco | a day starts at 9am and ends before 10pm | 11:49 |
| Kinnison | Why is this scary? | 11:49 |
| jsgotangco | *grin* | 11:49 |
| jsgotangco | well it looks draining to me | 11:50 |
| Kinnison | Aye; but it's only a week | 11:50 |
| jsgotangco | it'll be my first time to participate in such so i dont know what to expect | 11:50 |
| Kinnison | We did 9am to 8pm for two weeks in Mataro | 11:50 |
| jsgotangco | eekk | 11:50 |
| Kinnison | This time will be more intense but shorter | 11:50 |
| Kinnison | If you want to know a little more about Mao: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CambridgeStandard5CardMao | 11:50 |
| jsgotangco | were playing cards? | 11:51 |
| Kinnison | Oh yes :-) | 11:51 |
| jsgotangco | ok i will read it since i dont get the logic of it at the moment | 11:52 |
| Burgundavia | bah | 11:54 |
| Burgundavia | no Mao for corey | 11:54 |
| Burgundavia | he will be doing a presentation on Ubuntu a month yesterday | 11:54 |
| jsgotangco | i still dont get it ill google for Mao | 11:55 |
| Burgundavia | *grin* | 11:55 |
| Kinnison | jsgotangco: Don't bother. Everything you find will be wrong or misleading | 11:56 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia: feh | 11:56 |
| jsgotangco | ok it seems to be like a game of never ending rules | 11:57 |
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| jsgotangco | or game where nobody knows the rules for starters but end up knowing the rules blah | 11:58 |
| Kinnison | jsgotangco: every played uno? | 12:00 |
| Kinnison | gah, why do I always typo 'ever' as 'every' ? | 12:00 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 12:01 |
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| Burgundavia_ | bah | 12:01 |
| Burgundavia_ | kicked my power out | 12:01 |
| Burgundavia_ | anyway, that googling for Mao stuff working for you? | 12:01 |
| jsgotangco | no | 12:03 |
| Kinnison | jsgotangco: Mao is effectively Uno for adult crack heads | 12:03 |
| jsgotangco | it doesnt make sense to me at the moment | 12:03 |
| Burgundavia_ | Mao is fun | 12:03 |
| jsgotangco | well i can imagine myself getting kicked at it at the start | 12:04 |
| Kinnison | all mao virgins have issues during their first game or two | 12:04 |
| Kinnison | Except Mark Shuttleworth | 12:04 |
| Burgundavia_ | "We are playing Cambridge Standard 5 Card Mao. The only thing I am allowed to tell you is that any card not found in a standard 52 card is a nine of diamonds" | 12:04 |
| Kinnison | who kicked arse | 12:04 |
| Burgundavia_ | a spare | 12:05 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia: have you checked out the wiki page for mao recently? | 12:05 |
| Burgundavia_ | bloody hell | 12:05 |
| Burgundavia_ | my fonts have come completely sidewise | 12:05 |
| Burgundavia_ | no | 12:05 |
| Burgundavia_ | gmail now looks like ass | 12:05 |
| Burgundavia_ | mark is also crazy | 12:05 |
| Burgundavia_ | I know what it is | 12:08 |
| Burgundavia_ | I install mscore fonts | 12:08 |
| Burgundavia_ | and gmail wants to use one of them | 12:08 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 12:10 |
| Burgundavia_ | damn it | 12:11 |
| Burgundavia_ | oh | 12:11 |
| Burgundavia_ | brb | 12:11 |
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| jsgotangco | the more i read about it the more it gets confusing it would be much better if i participate in mao i guess | 12:12 |
| Kinnison | Yep | 12:13 |
| Burgundavia | part of the game is that you learn as you go | 12:13 |
| Kinnison | Participation is the key | 12:13 |
| Burgundavia | and you will fall on your ass the 1st couple of games | 12:13 |
| === Kinnison wonders if corey ever played past the first couple of games | ||
| Burgundavia | hey! | 12:13 |
| === Kinnison gdl&rf! | ||
| Kinnison | burgey: s'a cute ass to fall on anyway | 12:14 |
| === Burgundavia shakes his cute ass | ||
| jsgotangco | bleah im going home see you guys later | 12:23 |
| Burgundavia | cya | 12:24 |
| mdke | morning all | 01:40 |
| mdke | actually its not even morning now | 01:41 |
| EricNeon | hoho | 01:45 |
| EricNeon | this is evening | 01:46 |
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| mdke | hi froud_ abelli Liz | 02:38 |
| Liz | hiya | 02:39 |
| abelli | Liz: ciaoooo | 02:39 |
| Liz | ciao abelli | 02:40 |
| abelli | Liz: how is life? | 02:40 |
| Liz | oh good t hanks..tiring tho.. | 02:49 |
| Liz | hows yours?... | 02:50 |
| Liz | sorry, was in another virtual window | 02:50 |
| abelli | no probs. im ok thank you | 02:52 |
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| Liz | rightio..im off to do some updates | 03:21 |
| Liz | nite all | 03:21 |
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| mdke | anyone home | 05:12 |
| mdke | froud_, ping | 05:13 |
| mdke | in my .po file, when I come across something like <guibutton>Reload</guibutton>, is it ok to translate the "Reload" bit? | 05:14 |
| froud_ | mdke: yes you must translate it | 05:18 |
| mdke | froud_, great | 05:18 |
| mdke | i was worried it might break the link or something | 05:19 |
| froud_ | what link? there is no link | 05:19 |
| mdke | yeah | 05:19 |
| mdke | but i thought i'd ask just in case | 05:19 |
| froud_ | Just dont translate entities | 05:19 |
| froud_ | thinks like &something; | 05:19 |
| mdke | ok | 05:19 |
| mdke | and presumably also things like <guibutton> | 05:20 |
| froud_ | dont translate the content of elements | 05:20 |
| mdke | can you give me an example? | 05:20 |
| mdke | these technical terms... | 05:20 |
| froud_ | sure any words written by a person can be translated, any thing pertaining to markup leave alone :-) | 05:21 |
| mdke | right | 05:21 |
| mdke | so something like <Guibutton>Ricarica</Guibutton> would do for the example I gave above | 05:21 |
| froud_ | btw I got this gem from KDE today about po file http://i18n.kde.org/translation-howto/doc-translation.html | 05:21 |
| mdke | will check it out thanks | 05:22 |
| froud_ | <guibutton>Ricarica</guibutton> | 05:22 |
| mdke | cool | 05:22 |
| mdke | thanks froud_ | 05:22 |
| froud_ | I think I like the kde method for po file management better | 05:22 |
| froud_ | it is more granular and easier to control | 05:23 |
| mdke | i don't understand enough to have an opinion | 05:23 |
| mdke | whatever is good for you guys | 05:23 |
| froud_ | mdke: you are one of us 'guys' | 05:23 |
| froud_ | so you must like it too | 05:24 |
| froud_ | or must not | 05:24 |
| froud_ | depending on your preference | 05:24 |
| mdke | froud_, :) | 05:24 |
| mdke | but i seriously don't understand the technical side of the work yet | 05:24 |
| froud_ | but basically we must choose one method, the kde way or the gnome way | 05:24 |
| mdke | hmm | 05:24 |
| froud_ | the two are not compatible | 05:24 |
| mdke | hmm | 05:24 |
| mdke | will the gnome way work for kubuntu and vice versa? | 05:25 |
| froud_ | I know crazy you would think a standard like i18n would be handled in a standard way.... high hopes | 05:25 |
| mdke | ideally it would be best to have one method for both ubuntu and kubuntu docs i guess | 05:25 |
| froud_ | for k/ubuntu we need to choose one way or the other | 05:25 |
| mdke | right | 05:25 |
| froud_ | yes, I like the kde method | 05:25 |
| mdke | it will work ok with gnome/yelp? | 05:26 |
| froud_ | yes the resulting xml file works in yelp | 05:26 |
| mdke | ok | 05:26 |
| mdke | well i guess just voice it with the list, and those who know about these things will comment | 05:26 |
| froud_ | the question is not the end results imho it is th eprocess and how to control it | 05:26 |
| mdke | yeah i c | 05:26 |
| froud_ | well I am off to lectures now. 3 hours of hell | 05:27 |
| mdke | you lecture or you listen to lectures? | 05:27 |
| froud_ | this time I am listening | 05:27 |
| mdke | heh | 05:27 |
| mdke | ok have fun! | 05:27 |
| froud_ | chow | 05:28 |
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| froud_ | ignorance, yes, but what is UDU? | 10:09 |
| claude | the new Wiki, I suppose | 10:10 |
| claude | but don't know where to find it | 10:10 |
| claude | no... | 10:11 |
| claude | Ubuntu Down Under | 10:11 |
| froud_ | Uh huh | 10:11 |
| claude | that's Ubuntu meeting | 10:11 |
| claude | maybe Mark will invite us :-) | 10:12 |
| claude | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuDownUnder | 10:13 |
| froud_ | claude: thanks | 10:14 |
| froud_ | claude: what do you think about using the KDE method for managing translations | 10:14 |
| froud_ | http://i18n.kde.org/translation-howto/doc-translation.html | 10:14 |
| claude | i must figure out first what gnome method is :) | 10:15 |
| mdke | you should definitely post it to the list froud_ | 10:15 |
| froud_ | The gnome method is documented in the cvs source of xml2po | 10:15 |
| froud_ | but it is still fraught with bugs | 10:15 |
| froud_ | the kde method is more stable imho and better from a management perspective | 10:16 |
| froud_ | give the method on that page a run and see what I mean | 10:16 |
| claude | i need some time to investigate | 10:17 |
| froud_ | claude: one thing I am not sure of | 10:34 |
| froud_ | claude: we already have one translated po file | 10:34 |
| froud_ | in the kde doc it says | 10:35 |
| froud_ | Break-up of the translated documentation into msgstrs into a PO file: | 10:35 |
| froud_ | split2po ENGLISH.xml TRANSLATED.xml >TRANSLATED.po | 10:35 |
| froud_ | msgmerge -o TRANSLATED.po TRANSLATED.po ENGLISH.pot | 10:35 |
| claude | what are you trying to do ? | 10:36 |
| froud_ | trying to run the kde method from where we are now | 10:37 |
| froud_ | our state is we have a po file | 10:37 |
| froud_ | we got it cause I made a pot file with xml2pot | 10:37 |
| froud_ | and some kind sole created a po | 10:37 |
| claude | the xml generation uses po2xml | 10:37 |
| mdke | has do you go from pot to po file? | 10:38 |
| mdke | i've just been renaming | 10:38 |
| froud_ | has to go po-fr to xml-fr | 10:38 |
| claude | see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepl18n | 10:38 |
| claude | 4. | 10:38 |
| claude | see also Makefile | 10:39 |
| claude | or better rebuild-xml-from-po | 10:40 |
| claude | (used in make trans) | 10:40 |
| froud_ | ah ha, I c said the blind man to the deaf mute | 10:40 |
| claude | lol | 10:40 |
| froud_ | ok I now have fr xml | 10:40 |
| claude | i hope now that this xml file will be available to French users | 10:41 |
| froud_ | now i will add it to svn | 10:41 |
| froud_ | claude: ak next step | 10:42 |
| claude | mmh, yes, yes, yes | 10:42 |
| froud_ | lets say we have an update to about-ubuntu.xml (english) | 10:42 |
| claude | he he... | 10:43 |
| froud_ | how t merge the changes only to about-ubuntu-fr.po | 10:43 |
| claude | there is a method, wait... | 10:43 |
| === froud_ is thick tonight | ||
| claude | msgmerge is the way | 10:45 |
| froud_ | ok yes I saw that document | 10:45 |
| froud_ | hmm fr version looks good under yelp | 10:45 |
| claude | but this need still much scripting :( | 10:46 |
| claude | to automate | 10:46 |
| === froud_ asks claude why he thinks I am here now | ||
| claude | lol | 10:46 |
| froud_ | ok release notes and about both speak french now | 10:48 |
| froud_ | well in svn at least | 10:48 |
| froud_ | claude: do you have a working copy | 10:48 |
| mdke | what are those strange symbols in the titles of the documents when viewed with yelp? | 10:49 |
| froud_ | symbols, I see no symbols | 10:49 |
| mdke | hmm | 10:49 |
| froud_ | hold lemme check on another box | 10:49 |
| mdke | in the release notes for example, i get "1.[weird box with 20 02}Introduction | 10:50 |
| mdke | 2. [weird box] What's New | 10:50 |
| mdke | etc | 10:50 |
| claude | french or english or both ? | 10:51 |
| mdke | both | 10:51 |
| mdke | as if there are some characters that my system doesn't read | 10:51 |
| froud_ | no no miseure you are mistaken there are no simbols to speak of | 10:52 |
| mdke | screenie? | 10:52 |
| froud_ | I have check it on gentoo, ubuntu, suse and mdk | 10:52 |
| froud_ | Hmm screenie | 10:52 |
| === froud_ goes of for a screenie | ||
| mdke | i'll do one of mine i mean | 10:52 |
| mdke | http://mdke.mine.nu/images/yelp.png <--clikkkk | 10:54 |
| claude | ma che passa :) | 10:54 |
| mdke | that is from the packaged docs btw | 10:55 |
| mdke | but its the same in svn | 10:55 |
| claude | mdke: we have the same wallpaper, that's funny ! | 10:56 |
| mdke | heh | 10:57 |
| mdke | there's not many wallpapers packaged ;) | 10:57 |
| claude | mine was not packaged on Warty | 10:57 |
| mdke | oh | 10:57 |
| froud | http://www.inwords.co.za/kubuntu/Screenshot.png | 10:57 |
| froud | walla | 10:57 |
| claude | i found it on Gnome artwork | 10:58 |
| mdke | claude, gotcha | 10:58 |
| mdke | froud, so what's wrong with mineeeeeeee /winges | 10:58 |
| mdke | s/winges/whinges | 10:58 |
| froud | I dunno msr | 10:59 |
| froud | claude: you c what mkde sees | 10:59 |
| claude | yes, no idea :( | 11:00 |
| froud | mdke: did you svn up and use the copy I have just added | 11:00 |
| froud | claude: you too | 11:00 |
| mdke | froud, its not just the french | 11:00 |
| mdke | its the english xml too | 11:00 |
| claude | froud: no for me it's ok | 11:00 |
| mdke | both in svn and local | 11:00 |
| froud | mdke: you been abusing your box | 11:00 |
| mdke | must be some font i'm missing or something | 11:00 |
| claude | mdke: you're in Hoary? | 11:00 |
| mdke | yeah | 11:00 |
| claude | maybe some utf-8 bug in Hoary and yelp... | 11:01 |
| === froud thinks mdke has done something really bad to his box | ||
| claude | i'm still on warty | 11:01 |
| mdke | froud, aw come off it | 11:01 |
| froud | I is on hoary | 11:01 |
| === froud is just pulling your plonker | ||
| === mdke considers installing ubuntu-desktop | ||
| froud | mdke: that would help | 11:02 |
| froud | I have both ubuntu and kubuntu desktops | 11:02 |
| mdke | yeah that would solve it i'm sure | 11:02 |
| froud | but is good on gentoo, suse and mdk too | 11:03 |
| mdke | but it would also bring in a load of stuff | 11:03 |
| === froud goes of to FC box | ||
| mdke | froud, i believe you!!! | 11:03 |
| mdke | ok i'll install ubuntu-desktop | 11:04 |
| froud | no simbole on FC | 11:04 |
| mdke | but i'm not happy about it ;) | 11:04 |
| === froud tickles mdke under the toes | ||
| mdke | might as well install ubuntu-base while i'm at it | 11:04 |
| mdke | double my boot time | 11:05 |
| mdke | ouch 74 new packages | 11:05 |
| froud | bring them on! | 11:05 |
| mdke | heh | 11:05 |
| mdke | my poor harddrive | 11:05 |
| mdke | anyway, the italian ones should be along shortly | 11:06 |
| mdke | i've sent both aboutubuntu and releasenotes for correction | 11:06 |
| mdke | call it saturday | 11:06 |
| === froud does smart upgrade and gets 230 packages | ||
| claude | i have launch quickguide in french | 11:07 |
| froud | oh cool enrico will love that when he gets back | 11:07 |
| mdke | nice one | 11:07 |
| mdke | claude, any sign of rosetta? | 11:07 |
| claude | can wait on Rosetta :( | 11:07 |
| claude | s/can/can't/ | 11:07 |
| froud | I am waiting for some african langs from the uni here | 11:07 |
| mdke | awesome | 11:08 |
| froud | I think Afrikaans and maybe isiZulu | 11:08 |
| mdke | great | 11:08 |
| claude | great, but we'll need to create a good translation processes and scripts | 11:08 |
| mdke | for breezy | 11:09 |
| === froud is on it | ||
| mdke | or for hoary? | 11:09 |
| froud | enrico will do the packaging | 11:09 |
| claude | too late for hoary IMHO | 11:09 |
| froud | yep I am working toward next release | 11:09 |
| mdke | ok cool | 11:10 |
| mdke | same applies to translation process | 11:10 |
| === froud is being urged to bed by his mrs | ||
| mdke | lol | 11:11 |
| mdke | yay for froud | 11:11 |
| mdke | get on it | 11:11 |
| froud | thanks goodness the 3 wee ones are in bed ;-) | 11:11 |
| mdke | :) | 11:12 |
| froud | claude: where to find a list of std lang acronyms | 11:15 |
| claude | aren't you in bed :) | 11:16 |
| mdke | heh | 11:16 |
| froud | mrs makes it warm first | 11:16 |
| claude | lol | 11:16 |
| mdke | froud has the ideal life | 11:16 |
| mdke | damn him | 11:16 |
| mdke | except he uses kde | 11:16 |
| froud | come to africa | 11:17 |
| froud | .... and kde | 11:17 |
| claude | ok for africa ! | 11:17 |
| mdke | is froud invited us? | 11:17 |
| === froud wonders where sivang is, he can do hebrew translation | ||
| mdke | s/invited/inviting | 11:17 |
| froud | you are welcome I have a spare flat upstairs | 11:18 |
| froud | double bed if you to dont mind sharing | 11:18 |
| === mdke looks closer at claude | ||
| claude | hum... | 11:18 |
| claude | i'll come with my familiy too ! | 11:18 |
| froud | I know Kinnison wont mind | 11:18 |
| mdke | LOL | 11:18 |
| claude | 6 in a double bed | 11:19 |
| froud | Oooo sound slike fun | 11:19 |
| mdke | you all have families | 11:19 |
| mdke | bah | 11:19 |
| froud | yep | 11:19 |
| === mdke goes off to make a family | ||
| froud | married 13 years | 11:19 |
| froud | and happy with it | 11:19 |
| mdke | :) | 11:19 |
| froud | nearing 40 | 11:19 |
| froud | ouch | 11:19 |
| mdke | lol | 11:19 |
| mdke | 23 | 11:19 |
| claude | same for me, also 13 years, funny tonight ! | 11:19 |
| === froud wonders when his brain will realize this | ||
| claude | 13 years marriage, of course... | 11:20 |
| froud | claude: and would not chang eit for the world right? | 11:20 |
| claude | right | 11:21 |
| mdke | i need to get on this | 11:21 |
| claude | froud: you asked this ? http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/IG/ert/iso639.htm | 11:21 |
| froud | eh some hav ethree letters | 11:22 |
| froud | what to do when lang only has three letters | 11:23 |
| claude | it's iso 639-2 | 11:23 |
| claude | see the bottom of page for 2 letters codes | 11:24 |
| claude | 639-1 | 11:24 |
| === froud slaps himself for not scrolling down | ||
| === mdke slaps froud for not going to bed | ||
| froud | ok guys this time its real I am off. The bed is warm by now | 11:25 |
| froud | bye | 11:25 |
| mdke | night | 11:25 |
| claude | ok, for me too, please to mett you | 11:25 |
| claude | meet | 11:25 |
| mdke | bye claude | 11:25 |
| claude | bye | 11:25 |
| === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc | ||
| mdke | hi sivang | 11:27 |
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