=== Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S01060050dac642e4.du.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:56] OMG LOL [12:56] awesome email to the list === Flonne [~rhx@S0106000f663654db.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:01] ? [01:02] the birthday email [01:02] yes [01:02] is that for real? [01:02] i assume the guy just sent it to the whole mailbox [01:03] I have a few of those things sitting around from other friends [01:03] great way to get rich through advertising [01:03] i get ones saying "please add your contact details to this website" [01:03] i tell them that I'm no longer their friend [01:04] I am eventually going to do the same thing for myself, but on my own server, as part of my own calendering system [01:04] you're far too organised [01:05] yes [01:05] ;) [01:05] I want to run a Hula server when it hits the repos === mdke [~mdke@81-179-248-30.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:45] hello [03:47] salut [03:54] hi [04:00] hello [04:00] hmm [04:01] testing the various irc functions [04:01] ctcp clientinfo didn't return anything [04:02] maybe its because i am in a firewall? [04:03] could be [04:03] Feel free to test things on me. (irssi) [04:03] jsgotangco: I even got your mhz [04:03] eh? [04:04] jsgotangco- VERSION xchat 2.4.1 Linux 2.6.10-5-686 [i686/600.78MHz] [04:04] show it to me [04:04] hehehe [04:04] thats strange [04:04] hmm [04:04] is that real? [04:04] oh is it because i am in battery mode? [04:04] -Burgundavia- VERSION xchat 2.4.1 Linux 2.6.10-5-k7 [i686/2.21GHz] [04:04] can you try it again? [04:04] seems to be just xchat [04:04] same thing [04:05] hmm i am in a Pentium M laptop [04:05] jsgotangco: you are in the phillipines right? [04:05] yes [04:06] clientinfo gets me nothing [04:06] hmm [04:07] what is XDCC list? [04:07] dont know much bout x-chat either [04:08] I don't know much about the general irc operation [04:08] but I am putting myself up for #ubuntu chan op [04:08] so I figure I had better learn [04:09] ooohhh [04:10] how hard could it be? [04:10] all I really have to do is kick people [04:11] lol [04:11] are u familiar with po files? [04:11] not really [04:11] I don't speak any other languages fluently, so I haven't bothered learning [04:12] well that's one thing to consider [04:12] but im taking a stab on this one i just dont know if words that start with & also need to be translated like for example &conventions [04:13] my guess is no [04:13] no, I think those are docbook variable [04:13] s [04:13] i guessed the same [04:15] Those are environment variables defined by the include-like statements at the top, jsgotangco. [04:16] i see [04:16] In the case of &conventions;, it should link to libs/conventions.xml (iirc), though I'm not sure if that link is to the English file or not. (You'd have to ask froud or someone else) [04:17] I know DocBook, but I don't fully understand this system yet. ^^ [04:19] thanks well i dont really have to make a full scale translation but i just want to cover some basic stuff before i go deeper thats what froud recommended [04:28] Burgy you have to start being popular then! [04:30] ? [04:30] to be a good op [04:30] hehe [05:16] froud-away:: ok, thanks for the example [05:18] hello sabmoc [05:18] jsgotangco:: hey dude :) [05:19] jsgotangco:: and how are you today? [05:19] im good now [05:19] thats good [05:20] i still have a bad throat though [05:25] brb need to reboot x === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Liz [~Liz@fixed-203-87-27-63.nsw.chariot.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:33] hi Liz [05:33] hi jsgotangco [05:35] you hurd it hear first folks: http://69.90.152.144/collab/GoogleMapsHacking [05:35] googlemaps on emacs sheesshh === Burgundavia is away: I'm busy [06:46] bbl === Burgundavia is back (gone 00:27:24) === EricNeon [~ericneon@203.148.3.94] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:41] African Greetings [08:41] salut [08:42] I am working on a one page pamphlet about ubuntu [08:42] Burgundavia: where does it go [08:43] nowhere yet [08:43] I am making it for Linux Fest Northwest, which I will be going to in April [08:43] which brings me to my point [08:43] Oh Nice [08:43] I need some better fonts [08:44] do you have some good readable font suggestions? [08:45] Verdana, Times New Roman *grin* [08:45] ok dont mind me [08:45] vah [08:45] bah [08:45] damn keyboard [08:45] Burgundavia: for headings use Helvetica [08:46] For body text use Bookman Old [08:46] is that part of mstt core fonts? [08:46] Hmmm Dunno about MS dude [08:47] they are [08:47] I just realized that I dont have mscore fonts installed [08:49] hmmm i have been studying this docbook stuff but i forgot to ask where they are located in hoary? Is it a package? [08:50] jsgotangco: yes, just search in synaptic for docbook [08:51] how about the actual ubuntu-doc? [08:51] what about it [08:51] just seach for ubuntu-doc [08:51] oh wait [08:51] i didnt have it installed [08:51] thats why [08:51] *doh* === jeffsch [~jeffsch@fatwire-203-144.uniserve.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:57] froud: I have a question about quick guide... [08:57] &conventions; [08:57] where is the text for that entity? [09:05] okay, I found it... [09:05] jeffsch: all entities are defined in /libs/global.ent [09:05] next question: is conventions.xml frozen? [09:06] no [09:06] it has also not been translated [09:07] ok. Because that's where the "eample below" text is... remember the email to the list from Stephen Shirley? [09:07] yep [09:08] thanks for getting around to it [09:08] I only now realized it was not in quickguide.xml :( [09:08] There's something else... [09:08] yes it's a common xml instance [09:08] yes [09:09] When you open yelp to the front page, it has the ubuntu docs [09:09] the version is 5.4 [09:09] how to fix? [09:09] see the VERSION file [09:10] it only has the text 01 [09:11] lemme se [09:12] you talking about quick guide now right? [09:13] yes. the VERSION file in the same folder as quickguide.xml [09:13] the rev is only mentioned in &quickguide-rev; [09:14] this equals Hoary Hedgehog [09:15] sorry, it's not quickguide rev that is the issue [09:15] let me rephrase... [09:15] ok [09:16] type yelp at command line. it opens, and for quickguide desc it says " A quick tour of the Ubuntu 5.4 "Hoary Hedgehog" [09:16] Ah [09:16] should be 5.04 [09:18] plus, it's not exactly 100% grammatically correct. I think it's missing the word "desktop" [09:19] it is in the omf file [09:19] or at least get rid of "the" [09:19] I will fix it [09:19] I will fix the "example below" thing [09:19] ok [09:20] done [09:21] hmmm i didnt notice that till jeffsch mention it [09:22] jsgotangco: that's why many eyes are good ;-) [09:22] Hey must start working [09:22] is there a way to quickly search svn history to find when the "example below" was removed? [09:22] its 5.4 hehehe [09:23] svn log [09:23] ahhh. I redirect it to a file, and then search the file? [09:23] no [09:23] just run svn log filename [09:25] ok, so that gives me a list of 5 previous revs. How to easily search each one? I don't have to get each rev, do I? [09:27] jsgotangco: svn blame filename [09:27] hmmm... maybe the example was never there in the first place. each log says that only 1 or 2 lines was changed. [09:29] svn --help for commands [09:29] svn --help command for help on command [09:29] but Jeff why dont you just install eSvn [09:29] its in Universe [09:29] apt-get install esvn [09:29] apt-get install esvn-doc [09:30] needs Qt [09:30] need subversion [09:30] oh its a front end [09:30] the later you have [09:30] i will install that [09:30] yes [09:30] ok. i will try esvn later. [09:30] much easier for you and you can also help edit and contribute to my manua ;-) [09:31] i will install it now [09:31] the current version in testing is 0.6.9 [09:31] Universe may be a bit behind that [09:32] the one in universe is 0.6.5+2-1 [09:32] but once you have it installed just use the help menu to check for new versions [09:32] we have done lots of work on eSvn to make is user friendly [09:32] makes life quicker [09:33] froud: for now, in conventions.xml, i will just remove mention of an example. I will not create an example. [09:33] cool [09:33] I think I remove dthe xref [09:33] caus eit was breaking [09:33] my bad [09:34] well so I see from the blame [09:34] ahhh... now I know what blame means. hehe [09:45] ok. I committed the "example below" thing. somebody please double check my work... it's late and i'm too tired... [09:45] time for bed. cya [09:45] thanks jeff [09:46] checked, nice one thanks [09:47] oh he's gone [09:47] darn irc [09:50] conventions.xml [09:50] that was fast [09:51] jsgotangco: I work very fast. That's how I get lots done. Not always accurate, but I do get things done ;-) [09:51] this doc thing is really interesting [09:51] jsgotangco: what do you mean doc thing? [09:51] i mean the whole thing [09:52] how it gets done, committed, etc [09:52] you mean docbook xml and repos [09:52] yes [09:52] because its new to me [09:52] :-) tried tested and proven over the ages [09:53] but has high barrier to entry for newbie [09:53] but those who stay with it have an advantage [09:53] it does but it just needs a lot of reading [09:53] to get familiar with it [09:53] an experimentation [09:54] and some help from your friends :-) [09:54] aye === froud-work wonders, where is Flonne today [10:21] bleah reboot x === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:47] bbl [11:10] bbl === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:46] i know what BOF means but what does Mao mean? [11:47] It's the name of a card game [11:48] i have an agenda conference and it had a BOF at 2100 or Mao [11:49] Hmm where's this? [11:49] Claire sent it to me [11:49] its scary [11:49] a day starts at 9am and ends before 10pm [11:49] Why is this scary? [11:49] *grin* [11:50] well it looks draining to me [11:50] Aye; but it's only a week [11:50] it'll be my first time to participate in such so i dont know what to expect [11:50] We did 9am to 8pm for two weeks in Mataro [11:50] eekk [11:50] This time will be more intense but shorter [11:50] If you want to know a little more about Mao: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CambridgeStandard5CardMao [11:51] were playing cards? [11:51] Oh yes :-) [11:52] ok i will read it since i dont get the logic of it at the moment [11:54] bah [11:54] no Mao for corey [11:54] he will be doing a presentation on Ubuntu a month yesterday [11:55] i still dont get it ill google for Mao [11:55] *grin* [11:56] jsgotangco: Don't bother. Everything you find will be wrong or misleading [11:56] Burgundavia: feh [11:57] ok it seems to be like a game of never ending rules === Kinnison wouldn't say it was that per-se [11:58] or game where nobody knows the rules for starters but end up knowing the rules blah [12:00] jsgotangco: every played uno? [12:00] gah, why do I always typo 'ever' as 'every' ? [12:01] yes === Burgundavia_ [~Burgundav@S01060050dac642e4.du.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:01] bah [12:01] kicked my power out [12:01] anyway, that googling for Mao stuff working for you? [12:03] no [12:03] jsgotangco: Mao is effectively Uno for adult crack heads [12:03] it doesnt make sense to me at the moment [12:03] Mao is fun [12:04] well i can imagine myself getting kicked at it at the start [12:04] all mao virgins have issues during their first game or two [12:04] Except Mark Shuttleworth [12:04] "We are playing Cambridge Standard 5 Card Mao. The only thing I am allowed to tell you is that any card not found in a standard 52 card is a nine of diamonds" [12:04] who kicked arse [12:05] a spare [12:05] Burgundavia: have you checked out the wiki page for mao recently? [12:05] bloody hell [12:05] my fonts have come completely sidewise [12:05] no [12:05] gmail now looks like ass [12:05] mark is also crazy [12:08] I know what it is [12:08] I install mscore fonts [12:08] and gmail wants to use one of them [12:10] heh [12:11] damn it [12:11] oh [12:11] brb === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S01060050dac642e4.du.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:12] the more i read about it the more it gets confusing it would be much better if i participate in mao i guess [12:13] Yep [12:13] part of the game is that you learn as you go [12:13] Participation is the key [12:13] and you will fall on your ass the 1st couple of games === Kinnison wonders if corey ever played past the first couple of games [12:13] hey! === Kinnison gdl&rf! [12:14] burgey: s'a cute ass to fall on anyway === Burgundavia shakes his cute ass [12:23] bleah im going home see you guys later [12:24] cya [01:40] morning all [01:41] actually its not even morning now [01:45] hoho [01:46] this is evening === froud_ [~froud@ndn-165-144-136.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === abelli [debian-tor@d9e49bf2b14509e7.node.tor] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Liz [~Liz@fixed-203-87-27-63.nsw.chariot.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:38] hi froud_ abelli Liz [02:39] hiya [02:39] Liz: ciaoooo [02:40] ciao abelli [02:40] Liz: how is life? [02:49] oh good t hanks..tiring tho.. [02:50] hows yours?... [02:50] sorry, was in another virtual window [02:52] no probs. im ok thank you === mdke_ [~mdke@81-179-193-33.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ is now known as mdke [03:21] rightio..im off to do some updates [03:21] nite all === jjesse [~jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:12] anyone home [05:13] froud_, ping [05:14] in my .po file, when I come across something like Reload, is it ok to translate the "Reload" bit? [05:18] mdke: yes you must translate it [05:18] froud_, great [05:19] i was worried it might break the link or something [05:19] what link? there is no link [05:19] yeah [05:19] but i thought i'd ask just in case [05:19] Just dont translate entities [05:19] thinks like &something; [05:19] ok [05:20] and presumably also things like [05:20] dont translate the content of elements [05:20] can you give me an example? [05:20] these technical terms... [05:21] sure any words written by a person can be translated, any thing pertaining to markup leave alone :-) [05:21] right [05:21] so something like Ricarica would do for the example I gave above [05:21] btw I got this gem from KDE today about po file http://i18n.kde.org/translation-howto/doc-translation.html [05:22] will check it out thanks [05:22] Ricarica [05:22] cool [05:22] thanks froud_ [05:22] I think I like the kde method for po file management better [05:23] it is more granular and easier to control [05:23] i don't understand enough to have an opinion [05:23] whatever is good for you guys [05:23] mdke: you are one of us 'guys' [05:24] so you must like it too [05:24] or must not [05:24] depending on your preference [05:24] froud_, :) [05:24] but i seriously don't understand the technical side of the work yet [05:24] but basically we must choose one method, the kde way or the gnome way [05:24] hmm [05:24] the two are not compatible [05:24] hmm [05:25] will the gnome way work for kubuntu and vice versa? [05:25] I know crazy you would think a standard like i18n would be handled in a standard way.... high hopes [05:25] ideally it would be best to have one method for both ubuntu and kubuntu docs i guess [05:25] for k/ubuntu we need to choose one way or the other [05:25] right [05:25] yes, I like the kde method [05:26] it will work ok with gnome/yelp? [05:26] yes the resulting xml file works in yelp [05:26] ok [05:26] well i guess just voice it with the list, and those who know about these things will comment [05:26] the question is not the end results imho it is th eprocess and how to control it [05:26] yeah i c [05:27] well I am off to lectures now. 3 hours of hell [05:27] you lecture or you listen to lectures? [05:27] this time I am listening [05:27] heh [05:27] ok have fun! [05:28] chow === maskie [~maskie@196-30-109-243.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [~matt@81-179-193-33.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === claude [~claude@103.44.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [~matt@81-179-193-33.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:09] ignorance, yes, but what is UDU? [10:10] the new Wiki, I suppose [10:10] but don't know where to find it [10:11] no... [10:11] Ubuntu Down Under [10:11] Uh huh [10:11] that's Ubuntu meeting [10:12] maybe Mark will invite us :-) [10:13] https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuDownUnder [10:14] claude: thanks [10:14] claude: what do you think about using the KDE method for managing translations [10:14] http://i18n.kde.org/translation-howto/doc-translation.html [10:15] i must figure out first what gnome method is :) [10:15] you should definitely post it to the list froud_ [10:15] The gnome method is documented in the cvs source of xml2po [10:15] but it is still fraught with bugs [10:16] the kde method is more stable imho and better from a management perspective [10:16] give the method on that page a run and see what I mean [10:17] i need some time to investigate [10:34] claude: one thing I am not sure of [10:34] claude: we already have one translated po file [10:35] in the kde doc it says [10:35] Break-up of the translated documentation into msgstrs into a PO file: [10:35] split2po ENGLISH.xml TRANSLATED.xml >TRANSLATED.po [10:35] msgmerge -o TRANSLATED.po TRANSLATED.po ENGLISH.pot [10:36] what are you trying to do ? [10:37] trying to run the kde method from where we are now [10:37] our state is we have a po file [10:37] we got it cause I made a pot file with xml2pot [10:37] and some kind sole created a po [10:37] the xml generation uses po2xml [10:38] has do you go from pot to po file? [10:38] i've just been renaming [10:38] has to go po-fr to xml-fr [10:38] see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepl18n [10:38] 4. [10:39] see also Makefile [10:40] or better rebuild-xml-from-po [10:40] (used in make trans) [10:40] ah ha, I c said the blind man to the deaf mute [10:40] lol [10:40] ok I now have fr xml [10:41] i hope now that this xml file will be available to French users [10:41]