[12:01] <\sh> acroread is not working btw [12:01] which one ? from multiverse ? [12:01] <\sh> the one with 2 packages [12:01] \sh see topic ;) use malone [12:02] <\sh> jedit is also not working [12:02] <\sh> hoah...i can't file bugs for 2 distros at the time ;) [12:02] <\sh> tomorrow morning u will have your bugreports [12:03] <\sh> aehm this morning i mean...10 o'clock ;) [12:03] \sh, about time that gentoo uses malone too ;) the you can do both in a row [12:03] then even [12:05] <\sh> ogra: don't take my wanna have job away ;) i'd applied for the bugzilla infra monkey job ;) [12:05] <\sh> before i bashed drobbins [12:06] yeah, time to bring some fresh wind into gentoo and exchange the bug reporting tool :) [12:08] <\sh> :))) [12:08] <\sh> so time to go to bed... [12:08] nigh \sh [12:08] t [12:08] <\sh> this day will be hard...tomorrow will be even harder...and in the evening php ug meeting in cologne [12:10] ah, php, i'm just discovering python for cgi and must admit its great :) [12:10] <\sh> and on saturday...ian will move to his new flat and i have to help him :) [12:10] <\sh> ogra: hehe....i'm playing with python+pygtk+xmpppy+glade2 ;) quite interessting [12:10] <\sh> and at the same time with mono === \sh is on SM [12:11] hehe [12:12] <\sh> and readin dvb specs i must be crazy...so ppls...have a good night...don't push your luck :) never change a running system :) over and out === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S01060050dac642e4.du.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jbailey [~jbailey@CPE000ded9d787c-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:58] Reviewers wanted for abakus http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUNewPackages [01:00] MOTUNewPackages has two tables and I wasn't sure which to add it to, so I added to both :) === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-22.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:37] nite all. [02:03] night [02:14] ruh roh [02:14] 2 hardlocks in a row [02:14] now so good === dredg thinks he has modconf playing nice [02:17] cool [02:17] s/now/not/ [02:18] well, specifically it now automatically untars the kernel source. [02:18] hehe [02:18] and it looks for ubuntu kernels (linux-source as opposed to kernel-source ) === bradb [~bradb@modemcable087.14-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HostingGeek [~HG@200.48.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [~daniel@td9091a0e.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:53] goooood morning [03:53] mornin [03:55] anyone have a cdbs package with multiple binaries? [03:55] tseng: I do. =) [03:55] hal [03:55] dbus [03:55] thanks ogra [03:55] did everyone read my mail? [03:55] Feh, you guys ruin all the fun. Providing answers so easily like that. Sheesh. =) [03:56] heh [03:57] dholbach: you must have slept well, you sound pretty chipper [03:57] isn't it like 5am there? [03:57] hm that doesnt answer my question much [03:58] i guess i need to include autotools [03:58] i thought debhelper.mk was enough to build the package [03:59] schweeb: dholbach rocks 24/7 [03:59] I think debhelper.mk just calls make... not sure though [03:59] I always just look at the source for them to figure it out [04:00] i just blame jb [04:00] jbailey. [04:00] hehe [04:00] schweeb: had a terrible headache and went to bed at 22:00 [04:00] tseng: Nah, debhelper is just the packaging run. [04:00] ahh [04:00] schweeb: woke up half an hour ago and only thought about apt-get.org and tritium's krecipes package... so here i am :-) [04:01] tseng: It assumes that everything you need has already been placed in debian/tmp or debian/FOO where FOO is one of the packages. === tseng nods [04:01] its much happier with autotools [04:01] dholbach: the list is about 50 entries lighter after my cleaning out earlier :) [04:02] schweeb: i read the wiki changes... WOW... i'm really really impressed :-) [04:02] hehe [04:02] schweeb: will have a closer look once i had a coffee :-) [04:03] although I heard test is being reloaded, so we may be able to regenerate a list from scratch [04:04] (after most of the builds are done) [04:04] we'll hopefully have a QA tool at some stage [04:05] yea, that would be hot [04:05] qa++ [04:06] are all the sources for that stuff publicly available from debian? [04:06] where i can see WHAT transitions a package is in, WHICH build logs are available, links to malone, ... [04:06] schweeb: DFSG, dude. [04:07] then why don't we have packages.u.c ! [04:07] we do. [04:07] yea, but through that other dude :) [04:07] so? [04:08] his site is fine. [04:08] is packages.u.c was a CNAME to it, I'd be happier [04:08] meh. [04:08] the other domain is hard to remember [04:08] bookmarks. [04:08] and to your next commend [04:08] del.icio.us [04:08] my bookmarks get way too cluttered [04:09] s/d/t [04:09] I'm not very good at filing bookmarks :) [04:09] ogra: dude, this package for mono is 38219 time cleaner [04:09] ogra: lets hope it produces a working binary :P [04:09] lol [04:09] go tsen go [04:10] the rules is like 10 lines [04:10] and build-deps are super clean [04:10] how are you building it? the Novell 2 package method, or using the standard debian package layout? [04:11] novell [04:11] nice. [04:11] are we going to ship novell or debian style packages in hoary? [04:11] Burgundavia, lets see, we wait on input from the main team [04:12] maybe neither :) [04:12] ahhh [04:12] schweeb, bah [04:12] I want my blam and muine [04:12] well, maybe neither for 1.1.5 [04:12] they work fine [04:12] already. [04:12] the only thing being a bitch is beagle [04:12] Burgundavia: this version is for beagle [04:12] schweeb: ah [04:13] *ARG* why does murray break bakery's API every release [04:14] nobody can be THAT bored [04:14] yes they can [04:15] ogra: waiting for the debian mono team would be about as productive as when we had to wait for Branden for XF86 4.3 in Sid [04:15] when daniels had perfectly good packages for nearly the entire time :) [04:16] i dont wait for the debian mono team :-P [04:16] schweeb: HAHHA [04:16] nice analogy [04:16] and look... still no Xorg... gooo Branden! [04:17] BRANDEN FOR DPL [04:17] DPL my ass. [04:17] LEGITIMIZE USER ABUSE [04:17] it must be a joke [04:18] amayita started a frigging Branden fan club @_@ === schweeb stops bitching [04:21] hrm... at least i now manage to write shlibs files without looking it up before :-p [04:26] I thought dh_makeshlibs was the preferred way to make shlibs files? [04:27] amaya is weird [04:27] indeed. === dholbach pipes innocently [04:27] schweeb: well, i manage them now myself... even blindfolded ;-) [04:27] heh [04:27] ogra: hm i wonder how this will affect upgraders [04:28] ogra: about changing the mono names around [04:28] like do they have to purge the old stuff by hand [04:28] yea [04:28] I'm wondering about the build-deps for mono stuff too [04:28] well the build-deps will all need to change [04:28] and be rebuilt [04:29] fun fun [04:29] quite. [04:29] (or not) [04:29] but [04:29] it will come out cleaner [04:29] look at a mono package now [04:30] mono-mint [!i386 !ppc] [04:30] etc... [04:30] its like mono-gac, mono-mcs, mono-common, [!x86] mono-mint [04:30] blah blah [04:30] so gross [04:30] now it could be.. mono-devel [04:30] i would like that. [04:31] i mean, i dont see a good reason to split up the compiler and the devel libs into their own packages [04:31] you need both to build [04:36] f*ck yeah make install [04:36] passing with --with-tls=__thread [04:37] it built? [04:37] mono yes, package no [04:37] ah [04:37] thats about 3 steps ahead [04:37] night guys [04:37] bye ogra [04:37] night [04:38] sleep tight ogra === schweeb tries to muster the energy to get something accomplished [05:02] now... after some *mm fun... now some apt-get.org fun ;-) [05:03] heh [05:16] tseng: still there? [05:17] tseng: how do i have to intepret the classification: '' Packages below this point are only verified to have an active source repo, no guarantees on QA ''' -- BranonHale ? [05:18] how did you check those? [05:18] ah ok... forget it... :-) === Jerub [~gideon@jerub.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:56] hi! [05:56] howdy, Jerub [05:56] I filed a but against a universe pacakge in the ubuntu tasktracker, they said to talk to you guys because you guys are the masters of the universe [05:57] openafs-modules-source sucks, it doesn't build against 2.6 kernels [05:58] its at version 1.2.13-1, when upstream is at 1.3.80 [05:59] and needless to say, ubuntu doesn't even have a binary 2.4 kernel, so it's all just a bit of a bad situation. [06:00] in a few days we'll be going through and fixing all the kernel related stuff in universe [06:00] Jerub: does debian have a more recent openafs-modules-source? [06:01] dholbach: don't know. don't have an active debian machine, checking the website. [06:01] thanks [06:01] yes [06:01] 1.3.74-1 is in experimental [06:01] would it satisfy your needs? [06:01] 1.2.3final2-6 in stable, 1.2.13-1 in testing+unstable [06:02] would it work with one of our 2.6 kernel? [06:02] heh, stable is worthless to even mention :P [06:02] Jerub: if you were able to find out, we'd fix the issue in a couple of hours... packaging a more recent version would take more time [06:02] stable was old when I started using Debian, and that was over 2 years ago [06:03] schweeb: Sorry dude. I remember when people were advised not to apt-get upgrade to slink ... [06:04] heh [06:05] I'll see what I can do. [06:05] is slink < potato ? [06:05] Jerub: that would rock [06:05] schweeb: yes [06:05] I installed deb in 97, but could never get X working [06:06] not to mention dselect was a turnoff. [06:06] ha... yes [06:06] bugger [06:06] the other guy already reinstalled fedora on that box. [06:06] i was lynx-ing around for a nice X configuration === ajmitch is a debian n00b [06:06] ajmitch: but you're a DD today :-) [06:06] dholbach: sure, but I've only been using debian since 2000 ;) [06:07] been pretty steadily usin linux since 97, with only a couple of lulls === ajmitch also [06:07] except I started with a slackware-based distro, then mandrake === ajmitch is quickly going OT [06:07] slack for a few, then RH (4.2 I think) [06:07] everyone back to work! [06:07] I've been 100% linux since I started university in around 2000 [06:07] lol, ajmitch [06:09] ahh [06:09] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=openafs-modules-source <- this doesn't look happy [06:09] :( [06:09] why is file sharing in linux so hard? [06:10] we're seriously considering samba. [06:10] isn't AFS in the kernel now? [06:10] /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-amd64-k8/kernel/fs/afs/kafs.ko, but *shrug* [06:11] that's what I thought [06:11] 2.6 merged in a lot of goodies [06:11] oh bugger. [06:11] now I feel silly. [06:11] and a lot of crack ;-) [06:11] yea, it's got its share of crack === schweeb eyes reiser4 [06:11] ;) === tritium [~tritium@12-202-89-11.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:31] hey Treenaks [06:31] hey tritium [06:31] *argl* [06:31] hey dholbach [06:31] what's up? [06:31] fighting apt-get.org [06:31] but i'm fine [06:31] oh... [06:31] woke up at 03:30 this morning and had an idea for krecipes package :-) [06:32] you did? what? [06:32] dholbach: hi :) [06:32] hey Treenaks [06:32] tritium: it's a bit braindead... but you could split the libraries into a libkrecipes package and krecipes could depend on it [06:32] tritium: then you'd add a libkrecipes.shlibs and you'd be set === ajmitch looks to see if there's anything left he can work on ;) [06:33] hmm, okay. I'll look into that. [06:33] tritium: it's a bit overkill, but it'd perfect :-) [06:33] (oh, btw, I still have no idea if kafs.ko will do what I want, I'll get back to you folks about it later. [06:34] Jerub: nice you're investigating [06:35] dholbach, okay. I will try it. At this point, I shouldn't be trying to get it into Hoary, though, right? [06:35] Or should I bust my butt to make the change ASAP? [06:35] tritium: if you fix it, i'll make sure you get your 3 reviewers [06:35] tritium: take your time... release is due april, 8th :-) [06:35] dholbach, thanks :) [06:36] Okay, I'll work it out first thing tomorrow morning. [06:36] dholbach, any thoughts on the other packages? [06:37] tritium: apart from libkrecipes.{install,files,dirs} and Depends: libkrecipes (= ${Source-version}) you'll need this one: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html#s-sharedlibs-shlibdeps [06:37] other packages? [06:37] python-matplotlib, gourmet, python-rtf [06:37] i didnt review those as thorougly [06:37] ok, just checking [06:38] no lintian warnings on them :) [06:38] but you should push the others towards it, when they just keep on talking in the channel ;-)) [06:38] Okay, I'll do that. [06:38] gooood === tritium saves notes on krecipes changes... === Burgundavia is away: I'm busy [06:45] ajmitch, would you please take another look at python-matplotlib for me? If you could also review gourmet and python-rtf, I'd appreciate it greatly. === Burgundavia is back (gone 00:27:24) [07:25] dholbach, take care. I'll talk to you tomorrow. [07:27] ok... bye tritium === tritium waves, and wishes dholbach luck === tritium [~tritium@12-202-89-11.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === i3dmaster [~yongjian@c-67-177-236-7.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pe7er [~losof@pD9E2D5A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:40] dpkg -S /etc/inittab could not find which package this file is from. How to find out? [07:46] bbl === encolpe [~encolpe@pilot.net2.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-22.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === geppy [~geppy@c-67-162-233-164.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:22] salut mark [09:22] geppy, there is currently a lack of real motus here [09:23] but if you have webspace, put it up there and then add the package to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUNewPackages [09:24] hi Burgundavia [09:27] Burgundavia: Thanks! === Gervystar [~gervystar@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu === d3vic3 [~d3vic3@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-22.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:22] wb sabdfl [10:22] hiya === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === GheRivero [~ghe@hiscpdprx01.upsa.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:31] res people [10:31] hey ghe [10:35] hey :) [10:35] hmm, interesting. dpkg in experimental has a logging option. [10:35] logging? [10:36] yeah, it spat something at me when I upgraded earlier [10:36] the option is commented out by default [10:36] logging? what kind of logging? [10:37] # Log status changes and actions to a file. [10:37] nice! [10:40] cool === ajmitch [~ajmitch@port163-60.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [~doko___@dsl-084-059-057-003.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pe7er [~losof@pD9E2D5A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [~daniel@td9091a0e.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia_ [~Burgundav@S01060050dac642e4.du.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === koke [~koke@rm-001-26.serve.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:05] hey koke, Burgundavia_ [12:06] morning, dholbach [12:06] morning all! [12:06] hey crimsun [12:06] I can't upload yet :( [12:06] my head was nearly exploding, so i left again === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S01060050dac642e4.du.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dredg yawns [12:15] damn daylight savings time hurts my brain [12:15] dredg: not only yours [12:18] ould someone check out modconf for me? i have no idea if i approached it the right way... [12:18] could* [12:18] no rush. [12:19] i should really stop doing things at 3am [12:19] what's wrong with hotplug? :P [12:19] Treenaks: we need it for those kernel 2.4 folks [12:19] dholbach: they still exist? [12:19] and it's on the doesnotbuild list [12:19] Treenaks: right, so you want modconf removed from the archive. i concur ;) [12:19] Treenaks: schweeb and i will make sure they're in place before release [12:19] dholbach: what? 2.4 people? [12:20] and DON'T argue with me, it's not my decision i don't need no 2.4 kernel === Treenaks thinks the only valid reason to be running 2.4 is a) you're running woody or b) you're certifiably insane [12:21] or you have a specific need for it [12:21] dredg: port that need :) [12:21] Treenaks: tell that fabbione [12:21] Treenaks: hmm. you do it for me. i won't pay you but i'll be grateful [12:22] :) === tseng [~brandon@pcp05167009pcs.wchstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:35] jbailey: ping. [12:36] hey tseng [12:36] hi [12:36] i need to know, if i make a cdbs package [12:36] and put: [12:36] export MAKEOPTS="-j1" [12:36] above my includes if it will actually affect the build [12:36] i dont see cdbs setting makeopts anywhere [12:37] so i guess it should. [12:38] (the build breaks presumably with higher -j) [12:52] thats funny, some guy gave me hell for using a congigure option that breaks my build, tells me to fix the bug [12:52] so i start asking him questions about the bug, he disappeared [12:54] purely coincidence, I'm sure :p [12:54] yep. [01:47] morning ogra [01:47] morning === diamond [~diamond@194.46.78.91] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:49] morning. [01:49] hye diamond [01:49] morning [01:50] diamond: you've been fairly busy on the PriorityList yesterday... well done :-) [01:50] dholbach: thank you -) [01:51] For zope and zope products packager, we have reopen #pkg-zope [01:59] ah. i see dredg got modconf to build. kick ass. [02:03] python ROCKS [02:03] i'm amazed [02:03] again... :-) [02:04] :) [02:05] (and python 2.4.1 is in :) [02:05] dholbach: do you want to rewrite emacs in python ? [02:05] encolpe: not exactly [02:05] :) === jbailey [~jbailey@CPE000ded9d787c-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bob2 [~rob@bob2.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:13] hey bob2 welcome in the MOTU shag :) [02:13] hehe, hey guys [02:13] hey bob2 === ajmitch [~ajmitch@port164-181.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:14] bob2 is here becaues we are looking for #ubuntu op's [02:14] has anyone form the MOTU a desire to do that [02:14] well, I was going to just say hi... [02:14] ? [02:15] or could suggest someone from his observations [02:16] I've suggested tritium, because I've noticed he helps out a lot [02:18] crimsun, good idea.... === ajmitch_ [~ajmitch@port161-241.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra_ [~ogra@p5089C018.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dredg [~niall@217.114.163.190] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:59] dredg: grats on modconf [03:00] diamond: i did it at 3am ish. it could be the greatest peice of software on crack this side of erm, thing === diamond grins [03:03] so tired. [03:04] easy afternoon though. meet 2 clients, install their servers, drive home [03:05] diamond: what's paul helping you break? :) [03:05] dredg: lxdoom [03:05] oh. heh. good luck with that :) [03:11] dredg: it's got some silly 32-bit assumptions, but i think i can fix' [03:11] 'em === tritium [~rimbert@ee213-dhcp-14.ecn.purdue.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:30] Good morning! [03:31] lo tritium [03:31] Hey diamond :) [03:32] tritium: hey michael [03:32] dholbach, hey Daniel :) [03:33] dholbach, did you get any sleep? [03:34] tritium: yeah... feel better now... hacking some python script to ease the apt-get.org pain [03:34] :-) [03:34] good! [03:40] tritium: howdy! [03:41] hi trulux :) === koke [~koke@rm-001-26.serve.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:47] when autoconf et al work, they're wonderful. when they don't, i cry. [03:48] autoconf makes me cry even when it does work === diamond grins [03:50] dholbach, diamond did an awesome job fixing up python-gnome, which I tried unsuccessfully to fix [03:50] tritium: yeah... he ROCKs... saw it yesterday in the wiki mails - i'm thoroughly impressed by what a COOL team we are [03:50] i'm so glad.. really [03:51] me too! [03:51] tritium: i learnt a lot more about how autoconf works in the process (coz i had no choice ,-)) [03:52] :) [04:00] hum. config.sub in this package (lxdoom) is well out of date (1997). is it valid to replace it with, say, /usr/share/automake-1.7/config.sub? [04:00] b-d on autotools-dev [04:00] diamond: /usr/share/misc/config.* [04:00] dholbach: right, thanks. [04:01] then in the clean target of debian/rules, copy config.{guess,sub} over [04:01] crimsun: ahh. clever. cheers. [04:01] np [04:02] good morning, crimsun, ogra [04:02] heya tritium :) [04:02] hi tritium [04:04] crimsun: out of interest, why 'clean:', rather than say 'build:'? [04:04] crimsun: i'm guessing that dpkg-buildpackage will run clean before build/binary, [04:04] crimsun: but for just manually running the build (via ./debian/rules build), would it make sense to have it in build: instead? [04:04] (or maybe both?) [04:05] I've always put it in clean because other packages have done it that way, and that's done first in pbuilder and sbuild [04:06] crimsun: right [04:06] diamond: clean is always run, even if you just create the source package and upload it :-) [04:06] (without test building) [04:08] is it a good idea to put that into every package? or is there a good reason not to? [04:08] I only b-d on autotools-dev if I see that a package FTBFS due to outdated config.{guess,sub} [04:09] crimsun: *nod* [04:09] it happens on amd64, mostly [04:09] lucky me -) [04:09] for amd64, sometimes you have to explicitly b-d on automake1.7 [04:09] there was no amd64 in 2001 :-) [04:09] it is a good idea... the only thing that keeps us from making those changes everywhere is integration in debian [04:10] dholbach: k [04:11] hum. dpkg-source: cannot represent change to depcomp: dpkg-source: new version is symlink dpkg-source: old version is nonexistent dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source [04:12] automake -a added a symlink from depcomp to /usr/share/automake-1.7/depcomp [04:12] hmm, use -c [04:12] the auto* "love" just grows and grows [04:12] hehe, aye [04:13] back in a bit, need coffee [04:23] can some python pro tell me how the right syntax for print "bla %s blabla %s" : a, b is? [04:23] : a, b is clearly wrong [04:23] i don't find the stupid syntax anywhere [04:25] dholbach: print "bla %s %s" % (a, b) [04:26] ah... thanks Treenaks [04:26] dholbach: print "bla %s blabla %s" % (a, b) [04:26] too late ,-) [04:27] dholbach: I'm unsure, if your "cleanup" to wxwindows2.4 is actually needed. did you (or other MOTU's) test applications depending on wx*python, wit both wx versions installed (2.4 and 2.5)? [04:29] doko: i just installed each and every wx* package after my "cleanup" (not the i18n ones) [04:30] yes, but as it looks, the "cleanup" isn't needed. I'm asking, because 2.4 is directly installed into site-packages, 2.5 in a subdirectory, which is added to sys.path with a wx.pth file. [04:31] doko: i'll have a look and see which files overlap now [04:32]