[12:01] <\sh> acroread is not working btw
[12:01] <ogra> which one ? from multiverse ?
[12:01] <\sh> the one with 2 packages
[12:01] <ogra> \sh see topic ;) use malone
[12:02] <\sh> jedit is also not working
[12:02] <\sh> hoah...i can't file bugs for 2 distros at the time ;)
[12:02] <\sh> tomorrow morning u will have your bugreports
[12:03] <\sh> aehm this morning i mean...10 o'clock ;)
[12:03] <ogra> \sh, about time that gentoo uses malone too ;) the you can do both in a row
[12:03] <ogra> then even
[12:05] <\sh> ogra: don't take my wanna have job away ;) i'd applied for the bugzilla infra monkey job ;)
[12:05] <\sh> before i bashed drobbins
[12:06] <ogra> yeah, time to bring some fresh wind into gentoo and exchange the bug reporting tool :)
[12:08] <\sh> :)))
[12:08] <\sh> so time to go to bed...
[12:08] <ogra> nigh \sh
[12:08] <ogra> t
[12:08] <\sh> this day will be hard...tomorrow will be even harder...and in the evening php ug meeting in cologne
[12:10] <ogra> ah, php, i'm just discovering python for cgi and must admit its great :)
[12:10] <\sh> and on saturday...ian will move to his new flat and i have to help him :)
[12:10] <\sh> ogra: hehe....i'm playing with python+pygtk+xmpppy+glade2 ;) quite interessting
[12:10] <\sh> and at the same time with mono
[12:11] <ogra> hehe
[12:12] <\sh> and readin dvb specs i must be crazy...so ppls...have a good night...don't push your luck :) never change a running system :) over and out
[12:58] <Riddell> Reviewers wanted for abakus http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUNewPackages
[01:00] <Riddell> MOTUNewPackages has two tables and I wasn't sure which to add it to, so I added to both :)
[01:37] <diamond> nite all.
[02:03] <koke> night
[02:14] <schweeb> ruh roh
[02:14] <schweeb> 2 hardlocks in a row
[02:14] <schweeb> now so good
[02:17] <schweeb> cool
[02:17] <schweeb> s/now/not/
[02:18] <dredg> well, specifically it now automatically untars the kernel source.
[02:18] <schweeb> hehe
[02:18] <dredg> and it looks for ubuntu kernels (linux-source as opposed to kernel-source )
[03:53] <dholbach> goooood morning
[03:53] <schweeb> mornin
[03:55] <tseng> anyone have a cdbs package with multiple binaries?
[03:55] <jbailey> tseng: I do. =)
[03:55] <ogra> hal
[03:55] <schweeb> dbus
[03:55] <tseng> thanks ogra
[03:55] <tseng> did everyone read my mail?
[03:55] <jbailey> Feh, you guys ruin all the fun.  Providing answers so easily like that.  Sheesh. =)
[03:56] <ogra> heh
[03:57] <schweeb> dholbach: you must have slept well, you sound pretty chipper
[03:57] <schweeb> isn't it like 5am there?
[03:57] <tseng> hm that doesnt answer my question much
[03:58] <tseng> i guess i need to include autotools
[03:58] <tseng> i thought debhelper.mk was enough to build the package
[03:59] <tseng> schweeb: dholbach rocks 24/7
[03:59] <schweeb> I think debhelper.mk just calls make... not sure though
[03:59] <schweeb> I always just look at the source for them to figure it out
[04:00] <tseng> i just blame jb	
[04:00] <tseng> jbailey.
[04:00] <schweeb> hehe
[04:00] <dholbach> schweeb: had a terrible headache and went to bed at 22:00
[04:00] <jbailey> tseng: Nah, debhelper is just the packaging run.
[04:00] <schweeb> ahh
[04:00] <dholbach> schweeb: woke up half an hour ago and only thought about apt-get.org and tritium's krecipes package... so here i am :-)
[04:01] <jbailey> tseng: It assumes that everything you need has already been placed in debian/tmp or debian/FOO where FOO is one of the packages.
[04:01] <tseng> its much happier with autotools
[04:01] <schweeb> dholbach: the list is about 50 entries lighter after my cleaning out earlier :)
[04:02] <dholbach> schweeb: i read the wiki changes... WOW... i'm really really impressed :-)
[04:02] <schweeb> hehe
[04:02] <dholbach> schweeb: will have a closer look once i had a coffee :-)
[04:03] <schweeb> although I heard test is being reloaded, so we may be able to regenerate a list from scratch
[04:04] <schweeb> (after most of the builds are done)
[04:04] <dholbach> we'll hopefully have a QA tool at some stage
[04:05] <schweeb> yea, that would be hot
[04:05] <tseng> qa++
[04:06] <schweeb> are all the sources for that stuff publicly available from debian?
[04:06] <dholbach> where i can see WHAT transitions a package is in, WHICH build logs are available, links to malone, ...
[04:06] <tseng> schweeb: DFSG, dude.
[04:07] <schweeb> then why don't we have packages.u.c !
[04:07] <tseng> we do.
[04:07] <schweeb> yea, but through that other dude :)
[04:07] <tseng> so?
[04:08] <tseng> his site is fine.
[04:08] <schweeb> is packages.u.c was a CNAME to it, I'd be happier
[04:08] <tseng> meh.
[04:08] <schweeb> the other domain is hard to remember
[04:08] <tseng> bookmarks.
[04:08] <tseng> and to your next commend
[04:08] <tseng> del.icio.us
[04:08] <schweeb> my bookmarks get way too cluttered
[04:09] <tseng> s/d/t
[04:09] <schweeb> I'm not very good at filing bookmarks :)
[04:09] <tseng> ogra: dude, this package for mono is 38219 time cleaner
[04:09] <tseng> ogra: lets hope it produces a working binary :P
[04:09] <schweeb> lol
[04:09] <ogra> go tsen go
[04:10] <tseng> the rules is like 10 lines
[04:10] <tseng> and build-deps are super clean
[04:10] <schweeb> how are you building it?  the Novell 2 package method, or using the standard debian package layout?
[04:11] <tseng> novell
[04:11] <schweeb> nice.
[04:11] <Burgundavia> are we going to ship novell or debian style packages in hoary?
[04:11] <ogra> Burgundavia, lets see, we wait on input from the main team
[04:12] <schweeb> maybe neither :)
[04:12] <Burgundavia> ahhh
[04:12] <ogra> schweeb, bah
[04:12] <Burgundavia> I want my blam and muine
[04:12] <schweeb> well, maybe neither for 1.1.5
[04:12] <tseng> they work fine
[04:12] <tseng> already.
[04:12] <tseng> the only thing being a bitch is beagle
[04:12] <schweeb> Burgundavia: this version is for beagle
[04:12] <Burgundavia> schweeb: ah
[04:13] <dholbach> *ARG* why does murray break bakery's API every release
[04:14] <dholbach> nobody can be THAT bored
[04:14] <Burgundavia> yes they can
[04:15] <schweeb> ogra: waiting for the debian mono team would be about as productive as when we had to wait for Branden for XF86 4.3 in Sid
[04:15] <schweeb> when daniels had perfectly good packages for nearly the entire time :)
[04:16] <ogra> i dont wait for the debian mono team :-P
[04:16] <tseng> schweeb: HAHHA
[04:16] <tseng> nice analogy
[04:16] <schweeb> and look... still no Xorg... gooo Branden!
[04:17] <tseng> BRANDEN FOR DPL
[04:17] <schweeb> DPL my ass.
[04:17] <tseng> LEGITIMIZE USER ABUSE
[04:17] <tseng> it must be a joke
[04:18] <schweeb> amayita started a frigging Branden fan club @_@
[04:21] <dholbach> hrm... at least i now manage to write shlibs files without looking it up before :-p
[04:26] <schweeb> I thought dh_makeshlibs was the preferred way to make shlibs files?
[04:27] <tseng> amaya is weird
[04:27] <schweeb> indeed.
[04:27] <dholbach> schweeb: well, i manage them now myself... even blindfolded ;-)
[04:27] <schweeb> heh
[04:27] <tseng> ogra: hm i wonder how this will affect upgraders
[04:28] <tseng> ogra: about changing the mono names around
[04:28] <tseng> like do they have to purge the old stuff by hand
[04:28] <schweeb> yea
[04:28] <schweeb> I'm wondering about the build-deps for mono stuff too
[04:28] <tseng> well the build-deps will all need to change
[04:28] <tseng> and be rebuilt
[04:29] <schweeb> fun fun
[04:29] <tseng> quite.
[04:29] <schweeb> (or not)
[04:29] <tseng> but
[04:29] <tseng> it will come out cleaner
[04:29] <tseng> look at a mono package now
[04:30] <schweeb> mono-mint [!i386 !ppc] 
[04:30] <schweeb> etc...
[04:30] <tseng> its like mono-gac, mono-mcs, mono-common, [!x86]  mono-mint
[04:30] <tseng> blah blah
[04:30] <tseng> so gross
[04:30] <tseng> now it could be.. mono-devel
[04:30] <tseng> i would like that.
[04:31] <tseng> i mean, i dont see a good reason to split up the compiler and the devel libs into their own packages
[04:31] <tseng> you need both to build
[04:36] <tseng> f*ck yeah make install
[04:36] <tseng> passing with --with-tls=__thread
[04:37] <schweeb> it built?
[04:37] <tseng> mono yes, package no
[04:37] <schweeb> ah
[04:37] <tseng> thats about 3 steps ahead
[04:37] <ogra> night guys
[04:37] <tseng> bye ogra
[04:37] <schweeb> night
[04:38] <dholbach> sleep tight ogra
[05:02] <dholbach> now... after some *mm fun... now some apt-get.org fun ;-)
[05:03] <schweeb> heh
[05:16] <dholbach> tseng: still there?
[05:17] <dholbach> tseng: how do i have to intepret the classification:  '' Packages below this point are only verified to have an active source repo, no guarantees on QA ''' -- BranonHale   ?
[05:18] <dholbach> how did you check those?
[05:18] <dholbach> ah ok... forget it... :-)
[05:56] <Jerub> hi!
[05:56] <schweeb> howdy, Jerub
[05:56] <Jerub> I filed a but against a universe pacakge in the ubuntu tasktracker, they said to talk to you guys because you guys are the masters of the universe
[05:57] <Jerub> openafs-modules-source sucks, it doesn't build against 2.6 kernels
[05:58] <Jerub> its at version 1.2.13-1, when upstream is at 1.3.80
[05:59] <Jerub> and needless to say, ubuntu doesn't even have a binary 2.4 kernel, so it's all just a bit of a bad situation.
[06:00] <schweeb> in a few days we'll be going through and fixing all the kernel related stuff in universe
[06:00] <dholbach> Jerub: does debian have a more recent openafs-modules-source?
[06:01] <Jerub> dholbach: don't know. don't have an active debian machine, checking the website.
[06:01] <dholbach> thanks
[06:01] <Jerub> yes
[06:01] <Jerub> 1.3.74-1 is in experimental
[06:01] <dholbach> would it satisfy your needs?
[06:01] <Jerub> 1.2.3final2-6 in stable, 1.2.13-1 in testing+unstable
[06:02] <dholbach> would it work with one of our 2.6 kernel?
[06:02] <schweeb> heh, stable is worthless to even mention :P
[06:02] <dholbach> Jerub: if you were able to find out, we'd fix the issue in a couple of hours... packaging a more recent version would take more time
[06:02] <schweeb> stable was old when I started using Debian, and that was over 2 years ago
[06:03] <Jerub> schweeb: Sorry dude. I remember when people were advised not to apt-get upgrade to slink ...
[06:04] <schweeb> heh
[06:05] <Jerub> I'll see what I can do.
[06:05] <schweeb> is slink < potato ?
[06:05] <dholbach> Jerub: that would rock
[06:05] <dholbach> schweeb: yes
[06:05] <schweeb> I installed deb in 97, but could never get X working
[06:06] <schweeb> not to mention dselect was a turnoff.
[06:06] <dholbach> ha... yes
[06:06] <Jerub> bugger
[06:06] <Jerub> the other guy already reinstalled fedora on that box.
[06:06] <dholbach> i was lynx-ing around for a nice X configuration
[06:06] <dholbach> ajmitch: but you're a DD today :-)
[06:06] <ajmitch> dholbach: sure, but I've only been using debian since 2000 ;)
[06:07] <schweeb> been pretty steadily usin linux since 97, with only a couple of lulls
[06:07] <ajmitch> except I started with a slackware-based distro, then mandrake
[06:07] <schweeb> slack for a few, then RH (4.2 I think)
[06:07] <ajmitch> everyone back to work!
[06:07] <Jerub> I've been 100% linux since I started university in around 2000
[06:07] <schweeb> lol, ajmitch
[06:09] <Jerub> ahh
[06:09] <Jerub> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=openafs-modules-source <- this doesn't look happy
[06:09] <Jerub> :(
[06:09] <Jerub> why is file sharing in linux so hard?
[06:10] <Jerub> we're seriously considering samba.
[06:10] <schweeb> isn't AFS in the kernel now?
[06:10] <dholbach> /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-amd64-k8/kernel/fs/afs/kafs.ko, but *shrug*
[06:11] <schweeb> that's what I thought
[06:11] <schweeb> 2.6 merged in a lot of goodies
[06:11] <Jerub> oh bugger.
[06:11] <Jerub> now I feel silly.
[06:11] <dholbach> and a lot of crack ;-)
[06:11] <schweeb> yea, it's got its share of crack
[06:11] <schweeb> ;)
[06:31] <dholbach> hey Treenaks
[06:31] <dholbach> hey tritium
[06:31] <dholbach> *argl*
[06:31] <tritium> hey dholbach
[06:31] <tritium> what's up?
[06:31] <dholbach> fighting apt-get.org
[06:31] <dholbach> but i'm fine
[06:31] <tritium> oh...
[06:31] <dholbach> woke up at 03:30 this morning and had an idea for krecipes package :-)
[06:32] <tritium> you did?  what?
[06:32] <Treenaks> dholbach: hi :)
[06:32] <dholbach> hey Treenaks
[06:32] <dholbach> tritium: it's a bit braindead... but you could split the libraries into a libkrecipes package and krecipes could depend on it
[06:32] <dholbach> tritium: then you'd add a libkrecipes.shlibs and you'd be set
[06:33] <tritium> hmm, okay.  I'll look into that.
[06:33] <dholbach> tritium: it's a bit overkill, but it'd perfect :-)
[06:33] <Jerub> (oh, btw, I still have no idea if kafs.ko will do what I want, I'll get back to you folks about it later.
[06:34] <dholbach> Jerub: nice you're investigating
[06:35] <tritium> dholbach, okay.  I will try it.  At this point, I shouldn't be trying to get it into Hoary, though, right?
[06:35] <tritium> Or should I bust my butt to make the change ASAP?
[06:35] <dholbach> tritium: if you fix it, i'll make sure you get your 3 reviewers
[06:35] <dholbach> tritium: take your time... release is due april, 8th :-)
[06:35] <tritium> dholbach, thanks :)
[06:36] <tritium> Okay, I'll work it out first thing tomorrow morning.
[06:36] <tritium> dholbach, any thoughts on the other packages?
[06:37] <dholbach> tritium: apart from libkrecipes.{install,files,dirs} and Depends: libkrecipes (= ${Source-version}) you'll need this one: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html#s-sharedlibs-shlibdeps
[06:37] <dholbach> other packages?
[06:37] <tritium> python-matplotlib, gourmet, python-rtf
[06:37] <dholbach> i didnt review those as thorougly
[06:37] <tritium> ok, just checking
[06:38] <tritium> no lintian warnings on them :)
[06:38] <dholbach> but you should push the others towards it, when they just keep on talking in the channel ;-))
[06:38] <tritium> Okay, I'll do that.
[06:38] <dholbach> gooood
[06:45] <tritium> ajmitch, would you please take another look at python-matplotlib for me?  If you could also review gourmet and python-rtf, I'd appreciate it greatly.
[07:25] <tritium> dholbach, take care.   I'll talk to you tomorrow.
[07:27] <dholbach> ok... bye tritium
[07:40] <i3dmaster> dpkg -S /etc/inittab could not find which package this file is from. How to find out?
[07:46] <dholbach> bbl
[09:22] <Burgundavia> salut mark
[09:22] <Burgundavia> geppy, there is currently a lack of real motus here
[09:23] <Burgundavia> but if you have webspace, put it up there and then add the package to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUNewPackages
[09:24] <sabdfl> hi Burgundavia
[09:27] <geppy> Burgundavia: Thanks!
[10:22] <crimsun> wb sabdfl
[10:22] <sabdfl> hiya
[10:31] <GheRivero> res people
[10:31] <Treenaks> hey ghe
[10:35] <crimsun> hey :)
[10:35] <crimsun> hmm, interesting.  dpkg in experimental has a logging option.
[10:35] <Treenaks> logging?
[10:36] <crimsun> yeah, it spat something at me when I upgraded earlier
[10:36] <crimsun> the option is commented out by default
[10:36] <GheRivero> logging? what kind of logging?
[10:37] <crimsun> # Log status changes and actions to a file.
[10:37] <Treenaks> nice!
[10:40] <GheRivero> cool
[12:05] <dholbach> hey koke, Burgundavia_
[12:06] <crimsun> morning, dholbach
[12:06] <koke> morning all!
[12:06] <dholbach> hey crimsun
[12:06] <koke> I can't upload yet :(
[12:06] <dholbach> my head was nearly exploding, so i left again
[12:15] <dredg> damn daylight savings time hurts my brain
[12:15] <Treenaks> dredg: not only yours
[12:18] <dredg> ould someone check out modconf for me? i have no idea if i approached it the right way...
[12:18] <dredg> could*
[12:18] <dredg> no rush.
[12:19] <dredg> i should really stop doing things at 3am
[12:19] <Treenaks> what's wrong with hotplug? :P
[12:19] <dholbach> Treenaks: we need it for those kernel 2.4 folks
[12:19] <Treenaks> dholbach: they still exist?
[12:19] <dholbach> and it's on the doesnotbuild list
[12:19] <dredg> Treenaks: right, so you want modconf removed from the archive. i concur ;)
[12:19] <dholbach> Treenaks: schweeb and i will make sure they're in place before release
[12:19] <Treenaks> dholbach: what? 2.4 people?
[12:20] <dholbach> and DON'T argue with me, it's not my decision i don't need no 2.4 kernel
[12:21] <dredg> or you have a specific need for it
[12:21] <Treenaks> dredg: port that need :)
[12:21] <dholbach> Treenaks: tell that fabbione
[12:21] <dredg> Treenaks: hmm. you do it for me. i won't pay you but i'll be grateful
[12:22] <dredg> :)
[12:35] <tseng> jbailey: ping.
[12:36] <dholbach> hey tseng
[12:36] <tseng> hi
[12:36] <tseng> i need to know, if i make a cdbs package
[12:36] <tseng> and put:
[12:36] <tseng>  export MAKEOPTS="-j1"
[12:36] <tseng> above my includes if it will actually affect the build
[12:36] <tseng> i dont see cdbs setting makeopts anywhere
[12:37] <tseng> so i guess it should.
[12:38] <tseng> (the build breaks presumably with higher -j)
[12:52] <tseng> thats funny, some guy gave me hell for using a congigure option that breaks my build, tells me to fix the bug
[12:52] <tseng> so i start asking him questions about the bug, he disappeared
[12:54] <crimsun> purely coincidence, I'm sure :p
[12:54] <tseng> yep.
[01:47] <crimsun> morning ogra
[01:47] <ogra> morning
[01:49] <diamond> morning.
[01:49] <dholbach> hye diamond
[01:49] <crimsun> morning
[01:50] <dholbach> diamond: you've been fairly busy on the PriorityList yesterday... well done :-)
[01:50] <diamond> dholbach: thank you -)
[01:51] <encolpe> For zope and zope products packager, we have reopen #pkg-zope
[01:59] <diamond> ah. i see dredg got modconf to build. kick ass.
[02:03] <dholbach> python ROCKS
[02:03] <dholbach> i'm amazed
[02:03] <dholbach> again... :-)
[02:04] <encolpe> :)
[02:05] <crimsun> (and python 2.4.1 is in :)
[02:05] <encolpe> dholbach: do you want to rewrite emacs in python ?
[02:05] <dholbach> encolpe: not exactly
[02:05] <encolpe> :)
[02:13] <ogra> hey bob2 welcome in the MOTU shag :)
[02:13] <bob2> hehe, hey guys
[02:13] <dholbach> hey bob2
[02:14] <ogra> bob2 is here becaues we are looking for #ubuntu op's
[02:14] <ogra> has anyone form the MOTU a desire to do that
[02:14] <bob2> well, I was going to just say hi...
[02:14] <ogra> ?
[02:15] <ogra> or could suggest someone from his observations
[02:16] <crimsun> I've suggested tritium, because I've noticed he helps out a lot
[02:18] <ogra> crimsun, good idea....
[02:59] <diamond> dredg: grats on modconf
[03:00] <dredg> diamond: i did it at 3am ish. it could be the greatest peice of software on crack this side of erm, thing
[03:03] <dredg> so tired.
[03:04] <dredg> easy afternoon though. meet 2 clients, install their servers, drive home
[03:05] <dredg> diamond: what's paul helping you break? :)
[03:05] <diamond> dredg: lxdoom
[03:05] <dredg> oh. heh. good luck with that :)
[03:11] <diamond> dredg: it's got some silly 32-bit assumptions, but i think i can fix'
[03:11] <diamond> 'em
[03:30] <tritium> Good morning!
[03:31] <diamond> lo tritium
[03:31] <tritium> Hey diamond :)
[03:32] <dholbach> tritium: hey michael
[03:32] <tritium> dholbach, hey Daniel :)
[03:33] <tritium> dholbach, did you get any sleep?
[03:34] <dholbach> tritium: yeah... feel better now... hacking some python script to ease the apt-get.org pain
[03:34] <dholbach> :-)
[03:34] <tritium> good!
[03:40] <trulux> tritium: howdy!
[03:41] <tritium> hi trulux :)
[03:47] <diamond> when autoconf et al work, they're wonderful. when they don't, i cry.
[03:48] <crimsun> autoconf makes me cry even when it does work
[03:50] <tritium> dholbach, diamond did an awesome job fixing up python-gnome, which I tried unsuccessfully to fix
[03:50] <dholbach> tritium: yeah... he ROCKs... saw it yesterday in the wiki mails - i'm thoroughly impressed by what a COOL team we are
[03:50] <dholbach> i'm so glad.. really
[03:51] <tritium> me too!
[03:51] <diamond> tritium: i learnt a lot more about how autoconf works in the process (coz i had no choice ,-))
[03:52] <tritium> :)
[04:00] <diamond> hum. config.sub in this package (lxdoom) is well out of date (1997). is it valid to replace it with, say, /usr/share/automake-1.7/config.sub?
[04:00] <crimsun> b-d on autotools-dev
[04:00] <dholbach> diamond: /usr/share/misc/config.*
[04:00] <diamond> dholbach: right, thanks.
[04:01] <crimsun> then in the clean target of debian/rules, copy config.{guess,sub} over
[04:01] <diamond> crimsun: ahh. clever. cheers.
[04:01] <crimsun> np
[04:02] <tritium> good morning, crimsun, ogra
[04:02] <crimsun> heya tritium :)
[04:02] <ogra> hi tritium
[04:04] <diamond> crimsun: out of interest, why 'clean:', rather than say 'build:'?
[04:04] <diamond> crimsun: i'm guessing that dpkg-buildpackage will run clean before build/binary,
[04:04] <diamond> crimsun: but for just manually running the build (via ./debian/rules build), would it make sense to have it in build: instead?
[04:04] <diamond> (or maybe both?)
[04:05] <crimsun> I've always put it in clean because other packages have done it that way, and that's done first in pbuilder and sbuild
[04:06] <diamond> crimsun: right
[04:06] <dholbach> diamond: clean is always run, even if you just create the source package and upload it :-)
[04:06] <dholbach> (without test building)
[04:08] <diamond> is it a good idea to put that into every package? or is there a good reason not to?
[04:08] <crimsun> I only b-d on autotools-dev if I see that a package FTBFS due to outdated config.{guess,sub}
[04:09] <diamond> crimsun: *nod*
[04:09] <crimsun> it happens on amd64, mostly
[04:09] <diamond> lucky me -)
[04:09] <crimsun> for amd64, sometimes you have to explicitly b-d on automake1.7
[04:09] <dholbach> there was no amd64 in 2001 :-)
[04:09] <dholbach> it is a good idea... the only thing that keeps us from making those changes everywhere is integration in debian
[04:10] <diamond> dholbach: k
[04:11] <diamond> hum. dpkg-source: cannot represent change to depcomp: dpkg-source:  new version is symlink dpkg-source:  old version is nonexistent dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source
[04:12] <diamond> automake -a added a symlink from depcomp to /usr/share/automake-1.7/depcomp
[04:12] <crimsun> hmm, use -c
[04:12] <crimsun> the auto* "love" just grows and grows
[04:12] <diamond> hehe, aye
[04:13] <crimsun> back in a bit, need coffee
[04:23] <dholbach> can some python pro tell me how the right syntax for   print "bla %s blabla %s" : a, b    is?
[04:23] <dholbach> : a, b    is clearly wrong
[04:23] <dholbach> i don't find the stupid syntax anywhere
[04:25] <Treenaks> dholbach: print "bla %s %s" % (a, b)
[04:26] <dholbach> ah... thanks Treenaks
[04:26] <diamond> dholbach: print "bla %s blabla %s" % (a, b)
[04:26] <diamond> too late ,-)
[04:27] <doko> dholbach: I'm unsure, if your "cleanup" to wxwindows2.4 is actually needed. did you (or other MOTU's) test applications depending on wx*python, wit both wx versions installed (2.4 and 2.5)?
[04:29] <dholbach> doko: i just installed each and every wx* package after my "cleanup" (not the i18n ones)
[04:30] <doko> yes, but as it looks, the "cleanup" isn't needed. I'm asking, because 2.4 is directly installed into site-packages, 2.5 in a subdirectory, which is added to sys.path with a wx.pth file.
[04:31] <dholbach> doko: i'll have a look and see which files overlap now
[04:32] <doko> dholbach: no, they don't overlap, the question is, if they work with both versions beeing installed.
[04:32] <dholbach> doko: i'll check and tell you
[04:35] <doko> before that: please
[04:36] <doko> mkdir .../site-packages/wx-2.4
[04:36] <doko> mv wx wxPython wx-2.4/
[04:36] <doko> this way, you make sure, that 2.5.3 is used by default.
[04:37] <doko> to explicitely use 2.4, see wxversion.py
[05:13] <dholbach> part 1 of the apt-get.org odyssee done: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetOrg
[05:13] <dholbach> doko: i take a walk and test after that, if you don't mind - copied our conversation already
[05:20] <dholbach> bbl
[06:45] <diamond> weird. kdevelop built fine here, in pbuilder, but shows up as failed on the priority list
[06:47] <crimsun> built fine on ppc, apparently
[06:47] <diamond> ah. dependancies have now been satifisfied for amd64
[06:49] <diamond> i presume it'll get auto-rebuilt at some point in the future then?
[06:49] <diamond> or does the maintainer have to re-submit it?
[06:53] <dholbach> re
[06:54] <diamond> wb
[06:54] <dholbach> doko: bittornado fails after moving wx-2.4
[06:54] <sabdfl> dholbach: that's excellent work on AptGetOrg in the wiki... do those sites have email addresses so we can know that we are bringing their packages into ubuntu, and we can invite them to maintain them here directly?
[06:55] <HostingGeek> someone want to answer diamond's question
[06:55] <HostingGeek> i belive its a valid one
[06:55] <dholbach> sabdfl: i used a python script, which i plan to spit out template mails to those guys :-)
[06:56] <dholbach> sabdfl: the packages have email adresses, so i'll inform them which packages we are taking and invite them into our process
[06:56] <dholbach> sabdfl: i could send you such a template mail once i have it ready, so you could add some words of praise :-)
[06:58] <tritium> dholbach, I see python-matplotlib in the 2nd AptGetOrg repo on that wiki page.  If I may say so, my package is better ;)
[06:59] <sabdfl> dholbach: cool!
[06:59] <dholbach> tritium: sorry, in my first apt-get.org-proposal i deleted it, but since this is all script generated, forgot to remove it
[06:59] <tritium> dholbach, no need to be sorry.  just shamelessly plugging my package ;)
[06:59] <dholbach> sabdfl: i'll start reviewing those briefly later tonight
[07:00] <dholbach> tritium: :-)
[07:02] <sabdfl> tritium: pride is a strong motivator :-)
[07:02] <tritium> sabdfl, :)
[07:03] <dholbach> now i'll write up the motu report so you guys can still give me some clues until i send it tomorrow :-)
[07:04] <ogra> "dear users, please dont run hwdb-client without having a ubuntu system, sid's hal fucks up the data completely, yours oli"
[07:05] <tritium> ogra, you've had sid users using it?
[07:07] <ogra> tritium, or probably some systems are broken through wrong upgrades from woody,but without my extensions the hal data is pretty boring and i cant get cpu, bios or mem data from it
[07:08] <tritium> Ah, okay.
[07:08] <ogra> so the data looks like this: http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/?xml=8ae1697984445e75874aaf8a65c51f53
[07:08] <ogra> instead of this: http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/?xml=6a251e86ac308b43509a36af77612195
[07:09] <ogra> or that: http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/?xml=c5716b611fcdec9b9cd7ef6d36017724
[07:10] <tritium> I see...
[07:13] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[07:13] <tritium> hello bddebian
[07:17] <dholbach> *PLING* i hope you recognized my repeated call for opinions and reports of the last month! :-)
[07:21] <tritium> dholbach, do you have a draft posted that we can view and make comments on?
[07:22] <dholbach> not yet
[07:23] <dholbach> but everyone should have a few words on what pleased them, what didnt :-)
[07:23] <dholbach> i just want noone to blame me tomorrow ;-)
[07:25] <tritium> dholbach, there's nothing to blame you for
[07:26] <dholbach> or feel left out or something
[07:39] <jbailey> bddebian: Eh?
[07:39] <bddebian> jbailey: Just saying Hi. ;-)
[07:39] <jbailey> *lol*  Heya Barry.
[07:40] <tritium> I'm getting random lock-ups with fabionne's 1.0.7167 nvidia stuff
[07:44] <herve> morning/evening/wathever!
[07:44] <dholbach> hey herve
[07:45] <herve> dholbach! howdy how?
[07:45] <bddebian> Hello herve
[07:45] <bddebian> tritium: You are at Purdue?
[07:45] <tritium> bddebian, yes
[07:45] <bddebian> Sweet, I went there for 3 years
[07:45] <dholbach> dholbach: good, writing the motu report and working on my apt-get.org processing script :-)
[07:45] <dholbach> herve: ^
[07:46] <tritium> bddebian, I came here for my graduate degrees, but not undergraduate
[07:46] <bddebian> tritium: Well I didn't even finish my undergrad there.. :'-(
[07:46] <tritium> bddebian, but you finished somewhere else?
[07:47] <bddebian> tritium: University of Phoenix about 15 years later... :'-(
[07:47] <herve> dholbach, you need some help?
[07:47] <tritium> bddebian, that's fine.  You finished up.  Good job :)
[07:48] <bddebian> Thx.  But now I'm old and it's a Business degree.. :-)
[07:48] <dholbach> herve: not with my current tasks -- what somebody needs to do is review the "working on" sections and check the state of the packages there
[07:48] <dholbach> the python list is still quite full
[07:48] <dholbach> (afaik)
[07:48] <tritium> bddebian, these are not bad things
[07:49] <herve> dholbach, yes it is :-(
[07:49] <dholbach> maybe some of those are finished and just need an upload
[07:49] <bddebian> dholbach: Where is this list?
[07:50] <bddebian> Sorry, I'm "new" :-)
[07:50] <dholbach> bddebian: the python list is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePythonTransitionTODO
[07:50] <dholbach> but you can view them all on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo
[07:51] <dholbach> if i know which i can *just* upload, then i'll do it later
[07:53] <tritium> bddebian, where part of the country are you in now?
[07:54] <bddebian> Ack, they are all amd64 problems.. :-)
[07:54] <bddebian> tritium: Philly area now.  Just moved from California
[07:56] <tritium> bddebian, cool
[07:57] <bddebian> diamond: Bah, I was just commenting that a lot of the issues on MOTUTodo are amd64
[07:57] <diamond> bddebian: ah right
[07:57] <bddebian> Sorry to pique your interest for nothing. :-)
[07:57] <dredg> man, amd64 sucks... though i'll change my mind if someone were to buy me one :)
[07:58] <bddebian> Me too ;-)
[07:58] <diamond> dredg: i got tired of waiting, bought me own ,-)
[07:59] <dredg> diamond: yes, but you're wrong in the head
[07:59] <bddebian> heh
[07:59] <diamond> there is that -)
[07:59] <bddebian> Actually I'll take a G5 if someone is giving stuff away..
[08:00] <dredg> diamond: there is the issue of your no-eyed smileys that manage to wink...
[08:00] <dredg> that scares me
[08:00] <diamond> dredg: it's special.
[08:00] <bddebian> heh
[08:01] <tritium> bddebian, are you originally from Indiana?
[08:02] <bddebian> tritium: No, Illinois
[08:03] <tritium> ah, cool.  I'm an Albuquerque isotope, myself
[08:04] <bddebian> Ahh
[08:12] <dholbach> first draft: http://moz.gotdns.org/ubuntu/motu-report/05-03-motu-report.html  -  i know i forgot important people and important things - so if you'd like to write something about someone else, /query me and i'll add it straightaway :-)
[08:13] <schweeb> wow
[08:13] <schweeb> just got back from my boss's house
[08:13] <schweeb> omg huge
[08:13] <dholbach> and it's not half of what we did
[08:13] <dholbach> i forgot the plans on MOTU shirts
[08:14] <schweeb> dholbach: thanks for mentioning me first in the crew of new people :)
[08:14] <jani> hello all
[08:14] <diamond> hum. UniversePythonTransitionTODO. the soya mention is out of date
[08:14] <diamond> soya builds fine on amd64
[08:14] <dholbach> hai jani
[08:14] <jani> diamond, that's good
[08:14] <jani> I have just uploaded soya-doc hope it gets through
[08:15] <diamond> shall i remove the soya entry from problematic?
[08:15] <jani> diamond, if you have it on amd64 then sure
[08:15] <jani> probably dholbach or ogra can confirm they have amd64 too I think
[08:15] <diamond> jani: well, it builds fine with pbuilder here on amd64
[08:15] <bddebian> Hello jani
[08:16] <jani> hello bddebian
[08:16] <jani> diamond, is it not apt-gettable though?
[08:16] <dredg> chump hit ^X again...
[08:16] <jani> :)
[08:16] <bddebian> heh
[08:16] <diamond> dredg: yet again, i kill xchat without meaning to. this time by clicking the close button.
[08:17] <diamond> clearly i suck. -)
[08:17] <dredg> ah, at least it wasn't ^W or ^X this time
[08:17] <dredg> clicking the close button takes effort
[08:17] <diamond> dredg: t'was ^X the last 3-4 times tho
[08:17] <bddebian> haha
[08:17] <jani> crimsun ping
[08:18] <dredg> clearly steve, the problem is that you are a long-haired hippy.
[08:18] <diamond> dredg: indeed
[08:20] <dholbach> dredg, diamond: you're have a charming way of communicating with each other
[08:20] <diamond> dholbach: we've known each other too long to pretend to be civil -)
[08:21] <jani> dholbach, are you sending out a mout report? I'd better write mine then
[08:21] <jani> MOTU report that is
[08:21] <bddebian> So where are the n00b/luser/low skills tasks listed for you folks? :-)
[08:22] <dholbach> jani: tomorrow ... let's say 16 utc
[08:22] <dholbach> jani: http://moz.gotdns.org/ubuntu/motu-report/05-03-motu-report.html
[08:22] <jani> ok I'm reading
[08:22] <diamond> bddebian: in general, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUtodo, and https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePriorityList
[08:23] <diamond> dredg: excellent -)
[08:23] <bddebian> diamond: Well I looked at those lists but the organization is a little awkward..
[08:27] <diamond> bddebian: i'm generally just going through the priority list, and having a go at fixing any that don't build on amd64
[08:28] <dredg> hmm, i ponder can kudzu be relegated to "get-the-hell-out-of-the-archive" status
[08:28] <dredg> :)
[08:28] <schweeb> indeed
[08:29] <tritium> dholbach, can you paste the URL for your draft again?  I was in the process of checking it when my computer froze up again.
[08:29] <dholbach> http://moz.gotdns.org/ubuntu/motu-report/05-03-motu-report.html
[08:29] <tritium> thanks
[08:30] <dholbach> :-)
[08:31] <tritium> :)
[08:37] <dredg> urgh. need to get 133M of packages
[08:37] <dredg> sometimes i wonder why i run hoary :)
[08:37] <dredg> that said, i could do with wiping the install and putting on a fresh hoary
[08:38] <diamond> dredg: aye. the amount of extra un-wanted libs i now have installed is quite silly
[08:38] <diamond> perhaps a deborphan run might be in order soon
[08:38] <dholbach> deborphan --guess-all :-)
[08:38] <dredg> root@malkovich:/home/niall(0)# deborphan --guess-all|wc -l
[08:38] <dredg> 143
[08:39] <bradb> ogra: around?
[08:39] <ogra> yop
[08:39] <bradb> ogra: sabdfl gave the go-ahead, you can announce MOTU Malone in all its glory.
[08:39] <dredg> winner
[08:39] <bradb> ogra: i.e. to ubuntu-users, etc.
[08:40] <ogra> YEAH !
[08:40] <bradb> :)
[08:40] <dholbach> woohoo
[08:40] <jani> congrats bradb!
[08:41] <dholbach> yeah... good work! :-)
[08:41] <diamond> woo. got yehia building.
[08:41] <ogra> dholbach, so include it in the motu-report :)
[08:41] <jani> hmm after dput is it elmo first or hoary-changes?
[08:41] <bddebian> Damn and I thought I was lost in #d-d.  I'm gonna have to learn a whole new language if I come to the dark side eh? :-)
[08:42] <jani> I uploaded 15 min ago and see othing yet
[08:42] <dholbach> ogra: will do
[08:42] <ogra> great :)
[08:42] <dholbach> bradb: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/assigned still takes its time
[08:42] <dredg> jani: you should get a mail from katie@
[08:43] <jani> dredg, right away?
[08:43] <bradb> dholbach: fixing it this afternoon (if it's the problem i think it is)
[08:43] <jani> before elmo and build right?
[08:43] <dholbach> bradb: cool
[08:43] <dredg> jani: can never remember... after some mins anyway
[08:43] <koke> see you all!
[08:43] <koke> bye
[08:43] <jani> hmm than it's gone to a black hole
[08:43] <jani> I'll look why
[08:43] <dredg> jani: you did use 'dput ubuntu whatever.changes' and not 'dput whatever.changes'?
[08:44] <dredg> the first uploads to ubuntu
[08:44] <dholbach> bradb: will the liste of people stay that way? i mean they're ... quite long :-)
[08:44] <dredg> the latter uploads to debian
[08:44] <jani> yes
[08:44] <dredg> not that i know *cough*
[08:44] <bradb> dholbach: that screen is really broken in general. i'll do some reworking of it.
[08:44] <dholbach> oh cool, i'll stop bothering then :-)
[08:45] <diamond> bddebian: well, the folks here are very helpful, asking gets useful answers most of the time (unless i answer ,-)
[08:45] <dredg> jani: one way or another you get a mail saying accepted or rejected.
[08:45] <jani> dredg, the wiki says if you are not in the keyring 'it is silently discarded'
[08:45] <jani> but elmo put me in the keyring
[08:45] <jani> so ...I dunno
[08:45] <dredg> jani: not according to my mailbox :)
[08:46] <jani> this would be my first upload so I might have done smt wrong
[08:46] <dredg> if you're not in the keyring you get "PGP/GnuPG signature check failed"
[08:46] <jani> dredg, what mailbox?
[08:46] <jani> aha
[08:46] <jani> ok I'll wait then
[08:47] <bddebian> diamond: OK :-)
[08:50] <dredg> hmm, dbishell builds fine here
[08:57] <tritium> See you all later!
[09:24] <ajmitch> uh oh, bddebian is here ;)
[09:25] <bddebian> mwuhahaha
[09:25] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[09:25] <ajmitch> I thought you were a debian diehard?
[09:27] <bddebian> ajmitch: jbailey is the Emperor
[09:29] <ajmitch> hehe
[09:29] <herve> re
[09:29] <ajmitch> and so you came to surrender your soul to the MOTU team ;)
[09:30] <dholbach> herve: your opinion to  http://moz.gotdns.org/ubuntu/motu-report/05-03-motu-report.html  ? :-)
[09:30] <dholbach> s/opinion/changes+additions/
[09:30] <herve> give me 2 minutes
[09:30] <dholbach> bye ajmitch
[09:34] <jbailey> bddebian: Wha?
[09:42] <herve> dholbach, I like it
[09:42] <dholbach> herve: any additions? changes? something i forgot?
[09:43] <bddebian> jbailey: You are trying to draw me to the dark side so you are the Emperor.. ;-P
[09:43] <dredg> he's definitely something
[09:43] <herve> dholbach, not to my mind
[09:43] <dredg> dunno if Emperor is the right word...
[09:44] <dholbach> herve: ok
[09:44] <bddebian> hehe
[09:44] <herve> bddebian, take the easy way ;-)
[09:44] <jani> goodnight all
[09:44] <dredg> dholbach: looks good.
[09:44] <herve> bye jani
[09:44] <dredg> night jani
[09:44] <bddebian> herve: The easy way?
[09:44] <herve> bddebian, easier, safer is the dark side!
[09:45] <dholbach> was this all we did? :-)
[09:45] <bddebian> "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering".. ;-)
[09:45] <herve> dholbach, size doesn't matter :-p
[09:45] <herve> I'm not afraid!
[09:45] <dholbach> hrm
[09:46] <herve> (I'm just exhausted, really)
[09:46] <dholbach> herve: i wasnt blaiming you :-)
[09:46] <herve> dholbach, no really, remember ou transition lists were *huge*!
[09:46] <herve> I didn't even take it personnaly
[09:46] <dholbach> yes... they *were*
[09:46] <dholbach> muhuhahahahaha :-)
[09:48] <herve> :-)
[10:16] <bddebian> Damn, don't you people have any "easy" tasks?? ;-)
[10:17] <herve> sure
[10:17] <diamond> bddebian: i've probably done them all ,-)
[10:17] <herve> take the UniversePriority list
[10:17] <herve> follow the links to build logs
[10:18] <herve> and check if some were built for all archs after all
[10:18] <bddebian> Well I don't have access to all archs if they don't.. :-)
[10:19] <herve> hmm... study that wiki page first
[10:19] <bddebian> ?
[10:19] <herve> how we structured it
[10:20] <herve> not the wiki syntax :-)
[10:26] <herve> it means he finished all his homework :-p
[10:26] <dredg> hmm
[10:27] <dredg> smb4k build-deps on kdelibs4-dev and libfam-dev
[10:27] <dredg> kdelibs4-dev depends on libgamin-dev
[10:27] <bddebian> herve: Bah, it means you haven't given him enough to do. ;-)
[10:27] <diamond> dredg: smb4k builds fine on amd64
[10:27] <dredg> libgamin-dev conflicts with libfam0c102
[10:27] <dredg> libfam-dev depends on libfam0c102
[10:27] <dredg> my brain hurts
[10:28] <bddebian> Hmm, gcc-2.95 build failures on PPC are lame
[10:28] <herve> dredg, beware of not kernel panicking!
[10:29] <dredg> i reckon that if i remove the build-dep on libfam-dev it should be ok
[10:29] <dredg> as libgamin-dev should replace libfam-dev
[10:30] <dredg> or is this assumption going to lead to tears?
[10:30] <herve> hmm
[10:30] <herve> is gamin compatible with fam at the api level?
[10:30] <dredg> good question
[10:31] <dholbach> yes
[10:31] <dredg> gamin should be binary and source code compatible with FAM 2.6.8
[10:31] <dredg> says google
[10:31] <herve> so a recomp "does it"
[10:31] <dredg> gamin should do everything that fam does
[10:32] <herve> but better :-p
[10:32] <dredg> dholbach: so in your professional german opinion, nuking the build-dep should bring happy? :)
[10:32] <dholbach> erm i didnt follow the thread
[10:32] <dholbach> and im on the phone ;-)
[10:32] <dredg> bah
[10:33] <dredg> ok :)
[10:33] <bddebian> Is apt broken on amd64?
[10:33] <herve> good night all
[10:33] <dredg> nn herve
[10:33] <dholbach> bye herve
[10:33] <herve> bddebian, it's in main anyway, not motu's concern
[10:34] <bddebian> herve: ?
[10:34] <bddebian> Oh, sorry, gnight
[10:34] <herve> don't pay attention
[10:34] <herve> I'm already aslept :-)
[10:34] <diamond> bddebian: works just fine here
[10:34] <bddebian> What does he mean, not motu's concern?
[10:35] <bddebian> diamond: I was just looking at the buildds
[10:35] <diamond> bddebian: motu (masters of the universe) is only concerned with stuff in the universe repoisitory
[10:36] <bddebian> Well I knew what MOTU was but didn't know what he meant. Thx.
[10:36] <bddebian> So who tends to main?
[10:36] <dholbach> #ubuntu-devel :-)
[10:36] <dredg> the folk in #ubuntu-devel
[10:36] <dholbach> the canonical employees
[10:37] <bddebian> Ahh so devel != MOTU
[10:37] <dredg> well, we hang out there :)
[10:37] <bddebian> Damn, I see I have a lot of reading to do if I move to the dark side. :-)
[10:38] <dredg> for the most part though, we can't upload to main. universe is not supported by ubuntu
[10:38] <dredg> it's the community supported repository
[10:39] <dholbach> bddebian: and we rock harder, sabdfl said so in his last mail
[10:39] <dholbach> ;-p
[10:39] <bddebian> So Universe is not Ubuntu?
[10:39] <dholbach> bddebian: it's not on the CDs you get
[10:39] <dholbach> but apt-get-table
[10:39] <bddebian> Well if you rock harder, I should be here.. :-)
[10:40] <dholbach> of course
[10:40] <dholbach> we need you
[10:40] <bddebian> You do?
[10:40] <dholbach> give us your loving!
[10:40] <dholbach> yeah!
[10:40] <bddebian> jbailey: They don't know me do they.. ;-)
[10:41] <jbailey> bddebian: Hmm?
[10:41] <jbailey> bddebian: I don't usually follow this channel.
[10:41] <diamond> right. yehia fixed.
[10:41] <bddebian> jbailey: What channel DO you follow? ;-P
[10:41] <jbailey> bddebian: As few as I can get away with.  IRC is too distracting.
[10:42] <jbailey> bddebian: But usually I have the #u-devel tab in the foreground.
[10:42] <bddebian> heh
[10:42] <dredg> diamond: how fixed?
[10:42] <dredg> diamond: did you make it a non-native package?
[10:42] <bddebian> dholbach: So what do you need me for?
[10:42] <diamond> dredg: yup
[10:42] <Amaranth> bddebian: you work on Debian/Hurd?
[10:42] <dredg> winner
[10:42] <dholbach> bddebian: bug fixing, good atmosphere, heads up
[10:43] <bddebian> Amaranth: I try
[10:43] <bddebian> Amaranth: How did you know that?
[10:43] <Amaranth> bddebian: Google Is Your Friend ;)
[10:43] <bddebian> Heh
[10:45] <bddebian> Amaranth: Well that was a fast background check then. ;-)
[10:45] <Amaranth> i started from "<bddebian> jbailey: They don't know me do they.. ;-)", got an email address, and went to the website the email address was for
[10:46] <Amaranth> good thing i picked a name that is hidden in garbage about plants
[10:46] <bddebian> Oh, it picked up www.bddebian.com ??
[10:47] <Amaranth> yeah
[10:48] <ogra> bradb, i wrote the announcement, wanna see it before i hit the send button ?
[10:49] <bradb> ogra: sure
[10:49] <dredg> winner. smb4k seems to like just living on libgamin-dev
[10:49] <bddebian> Hmm, amd64 machines aren't as expensive as I thought
[10:52] <dredg> hmm
[10:52] <dredg> Unable to get Terminal Size. The TIOCGWINSZ ioctl didn't work. The COLUMNS and LINES environment variables didn't work. The resize program didn't work. at /usr/lib/perl5/Term/ReadKey.pm line 343.
[10:52] <dredg> any way to make this work when a buildd is doing the building?
[10:52] <diamond> dredg: not really, the issue is that it shouldn't be doing anything with the terminal while building
[10:53] <diamond> dredg: why the hell it wants to resize the terminal is beyond me
[10:53] <dredg> welcome to perl
[10:54] <diamond> death to perl? -)
[10:54] <dredg> not today
[10:54] <bddebian> Hence the Python push? :-)
[10:55] <dredg> not by me
[10:56] <bddebian> Sorry, I meant on the wiki and such.
[10:56] <ajmitch_> hi
[10:56] <ogra> hey ajmitch
[10:57] <bddebian> wb ajmitch_
[10:57] <tritium> hi ajmitch_
[10:57] <ajmitch_> bddebian: going to UDU, I hope?
[10:59] <bddebian> ajmitch_: UDU?
[11:00] <dholbach> wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder
[11:00] <bddebian> Heh, I wish
[11:00] <bddebian> After FOSDEM, my wife will probably never let me go to a geekfest again.. :-)
[11:04] <dredg> ah. it's a test for Term::Readline. it uses /dev/ptmx
[11:04] <tritium> I won't be going to UDU either.
[11:04] <dredg> gah
[11:05] <Jerub> hah
[11:05] <Jerub> looks like that's the week after linux.conf.au
[11:12] <dredg> wee
[11:12] <dredg> fix for the dbishell terminal thing in debian
[11:16] <tritium> dholbach, new upstream for python-matplotlib just announced
[11:16] <koke> hallo dudes!
[11:16] <bddebian> Hello koke
[11:16] <tritium> ajmitch, did you by chance see my request to you to review my packages?
[11:16] <dholbach> tritium: wow rock
[11:16] <dholbach> tritium: look at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetOrg
[11:16] <koke> so malone is already our "official" bugtracking tool?
[11:17] <tritium> :)
[11:17] <tritium> dholbach, I like the look of that!
[11:18] <trulux> no more bugzilla?
[11:18] <trulux> so, where's my Gnutella now?
[11:18] <ogra> yeah
[11:18] <koke> ogra: great, I have to prepare my bug list for malone :D
[11:18] <trulux> ogra: sorry, too many time studying vectors and vector equations, I've missed that part
[11:19] <tritium> dholbach, thanks!
[11:19] <dholbach> tritium: de rien
[11:19] <ogra> trulux, i sent it 10 mins ago ;) you missed nothing ...
[11:20] <trulux> ogra: ok, then damn me
[11:20] <trulux> sorry of asking
[11:21] <ogra> nobody damns anybody :)
[11:21] <ogra> *g*
[11:21] <trulux> btw, 1) my eyes are already burnt out 2) something is wrong with firefox, white backgrounds look grey
[11:21] <trulux> tritium: I need to get out of the hardcore role
[11:21] <ogra> trulux, you ff isnt up to date, thats fixed 2 updates ago
[11:21] <trulux> ogra: ok
[11:22] <trulux> ogra: just getting the livecd so my bw sucks
[11:22] <trulux> finished
[11:22] <tritium> I have to go now.  I'll see you later.
[11:22] <trulux> tritium: take care
[11:22] <tritium> trulux, you too.  Going to the Indiana Pacers vs. Miami Heat game...
[11:23] <dholbach> bye tritium - HAVE FUN!
[11:23] <tritium> Thanks.  bye...
[11:24] <ogra> ciao tritium
[11:25] <bddebian> Later tritium
[11:28] <dredg> diamond: seemingly there's a bug in Term::ReadLine::Perl
[11:28] <diamond> dredg: ah
[11:29] <dredg> it always ioctl()'s STDIN instead of reading the fh you create it with when you call Term::ReadKey
[11:36] <diamond> hmm. ecasound is listed on the priority list, but the version there is 2.0, whereas only 2.3 is in apt
[11:50] <diamond> dholbach: i see you've fixed powermanga, shall i take it off The List?
[11:51] <dredg> smb4k appears to be building fine :)
[11:52] <dredg> well, i386 so far
[11:52] <dredg> we'll see how the others go
[11:53] <diamond> dredg: amd64 was already building ok
[11:53] <diamond> dholbach: ditto dict-bouvier
[11:54] <dredg> smb4k_0.4.1a-1ubuntu1_20050331-2238-amd64-successful
[11:54] <dredg> smb4k_0.4.1a-1ubuntu1_20050331-2239-powerpc-successful
[11:54] <dredg> smb4k_0.4.1a-1ubuntu1_20050331-2239-ia64-successful
[11:54] <dredg> niall wins! :)
[11:54] <dredg> niall loses :(
[11:54] <diamond> dredg: grats, and hah -)
[11:54] <dholbach> diamond: thanks
[11:55] <diamond> dholbach: np
[11:57] <dredg> we'll see how dbishell gets on with that patch i yoinked from debian
[11:57] <dredg> dholbach: would you mind looking over modconf? i think it's fixed but i'm not sure how good the fix is
[11:59] <dholbach> dredg: i'm completely busy - is there nobody else who might have a look?
[11:59] <dholbach> dredg: i mean it's important enough to even ask the kernel guys
[11:59] <dredg> dholbach: i'll prod random people
[11:59] <dredg> ta
[11:59] <dholbach> ask at #ubuntu-devel