[12:00] <topyli> hrmpf
[12:00] <topyli> LeeColleton: could you have ye olde mp3 problem?
[12:00] <LeeColleton> aargh!  mpg321 won't even work.  something is fishy
[12:00] <LeeColleton> which is what?
[12:01] <topyli> ubuntu gstreamer not supporting evil codecs
[12:01] <LeeColleton> no
[12:01] <topyli> it's not that
[12:01] <LeeColleton> ogg123 won't work either:
[12:01] <LeeColleton> Error: Cannot open device esd.
[12:01] <topyli> try killing esd first
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> LeeColleton: run 'esd &'
[12:02] <topyli> heh. opposite advice. do both :)
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> topyli: looks like the opposite problem
[12:02] <LeeColleton> oh.  why did I never have to do that before, HrdwrBoB ?
[12:02] <topyli> LeeColleton: believe HrdwrBoB first
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> maybe esd died in some mysterious way
[12:03] <LeeColleton> well, muine still segfaults
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> is esd running?
[12:03] <LeeColleton> yes
[12:03] <LeeColleton> rhythmbox plays, though
[12:03] <LeeColleton> muine is not detecting dbus addresses
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> you can always use gstreamer-properties to set output to oss rather than esd
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> and kill esd
[12:04] <topyli> LeeColleton: muine and other gnome stuff use gstreamer, ogg123 doesn't (unless you tell it to)
[12:04] <topyli> what a truism
[12:04] <topyli> i'm crashing. got to go to bed
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> night
[12:05] <topyli> night-ey
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> meanwhile, I'm going to work
[12:05] <roo_> night topyli
[12:05] <topyli> heh
[12:05] <Dreamer3> hey!
[12:05] <Dreamer3> how is everyone?
[12:05] <topyli> HAND HrdwrBoB :)
[12:05] <Dreamer3> is RC out yet?
[12:05] <LeeColleton> I'm hippy
[12:06] <Dreamer3> dare i apt-get update again, or just go for it? :)
[12:07] <Dreamer3> they didn't even update the download page
[12:07] <Dreamer3> sheesh
[12:08] <randabis> http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/
[12:09] <Dreamer3> randabis: you running hoary?
[12:10] <Dreamer3> sheesh, is it dead in here today or what?
[12:10] <randabis> Dreamer3, yep
[12:10] <accuser> Dreamer3: everyone is apt-get the rc?
[12:10] <randabis> Dreamer3, have been for months
[12:10] <Dreamer3> accuser: *laughs*
[12:10] <LeeColleton> yes, we are the internet undead
[12:11] <Dreamer3> randabis: so i should go for it?
[12:11] <randabis> sure
[12:11] <Marble2> Can someone help me? I keep getting "/sbin/init 248: cannot open dev/console" when I boot up to Ubuntu. I just installed a new hard drive and had to change the drives around, someone said that could cause this? Does anyone know how to fix it?
[12:11] <randabis> it rocks my socks
[12:11] <randabis> especially with kde 3.4
[12:11] <Dreamer3> randabis: did you use warty before?
[12:11] <Dreamer3> randabis: *pukes on kde* :)
[12:11] <randabis> Dreamer3, I used warty a few days before moving to hoary
[12:11] <Dreamer3> randabis: what was the biggest difference to you?
[12:12] <randabis> Dreamer3, have you checked out kde 3.4? it's really much more polished than older versions (especially the kubuntu version)
[12:12] <randabis> Dreamer3, newer everything basically
[12:12] <KingArthur-TDoD> anyone: ok, I want to edit /etc/acpi/lid.sh and change a couple lines so that it works correctly, as stated in the knowlege base, but alas, I can't figure out how to edit it as the "owner" so that it will actually edit.  Can someone help me?
[12:12] <randabis> especially nowadays
[12:13] <accuser> kubuntu looks a bit cramped compared imho
[12:14] <randabis> http://img18.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img18&image=snapshot61ka.jpg
[12:14] <randabis> there's my kubuntu with composite :p
[12:14] <LeeColleton> kubuntu also has a silly name
[12:14] <konstantinos> hello gang!
[12:14] <randabis> kubuntu is a real word :p
[12:14] <LeeColleton> has there been any progress on renaming it?
[12:15] <randabis> there's no plans to rename it
[12:15] <LeeColleton> randabis: oh really?  what does it mean?
[12:15] <randabis> LeeColleton, "towards humanity" I believe
[12:15] <konstantinos> does anyone here have any experience with netmod?
[12:15] <accuser> randabis: like i said - cramped ;-)
[12:15] <randabis> accuser, I modified it...that's not default :)
[12:16] <accuser> lol
[12:16] <randabis> http://img17.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img17&image=snapshot72gn.jpg
[12:16] <randabis> everything minimized
[12:16] <konstantinos> netmod experience anyone?
[12:16] <accuser> i apt-get'ed kubuntu earlier or hoary
[12:16] <accuser> spent a lot of time tweaking, but find gnome easier on the eye
[12:16] <accuser> maybe i'm getting old?
[12:17] <black_nightmare> I kinda already like gnome a lot myself.....although I haven't really remembered trying anything else at all
[12:18] <accuser> i used kde for a while, and preferred it over gnome, but only because i was building myself
[12:18] <randabis> accuser, it's all preference. :) I just like the new kde better than the new gnome
[12:18] <accuser> now we have a really polished dist, and gnome rocks for me
[12:18] <accuser> randabis: kool
[12:18] <mz2> before 2.8 there might have been a point when kde actually was a bit better, sometimes, maybe :)
[12:18] <chimaera> does gnome require metacity or are is libmetacity0 sufficient?
[12:19] <randabis> before kde 3.4 though, I liked gnome better
[12:19] <accuser> it is good that you have the choice
[12:19] <mz2> true
[12:19] <randabis> I'm still partial to xfce 4.2 as well, that stays on my laptop :)
[12:19] <chimaera> randabis: 3.4 is the killer, isn't it? not that any other 3 release wasn't ;)
[12:19] <konstantinos> is anyone here using a usb modem?
[12:20] <randabis> chimaera, every release gets better and better
[12:20] <randabis>  and FASTER too
[12:20] <Bazzi> thats the point of new releases ;)
[12:20] <mz2> i didn't see any major differences betw. 3.3 and 3.4 when i tried a few kde apps. what's new? like something Really Big New?
[12:20] <randabis> kde is much faster than gnome now imho
[12:20] <Bazzi> I'm happy abotu konqueror
[12:21] <JDigital> So does Gnome-Pilot actually DO anything?
[12:21] <chimaera> well, media:/ is somewhat nice..
[12:21] <JDigital> There isn't even a webpage for it any more. What on earth is it doing in Ubuntu?
[12:21] <chimaera> anf for i use CVS HEAD, i hardy can tell the difference between new releases ;)
[12:21] <Xira> what xorg ver does hoary RC use
[12:21] <Xira> ?
[12:21] <JDigital> There isn't even any documentation for it.
[12:21] <Orbo> ahoy!
[12:22] <mz2> that's true, qt apps render themselves quicker than gtk/gnome
[12:22] <konstantinos> (am I in silent mode? or does really no-one use a usb modem?!)
[12:22] <randabis> mz2 take a look at the release notes
[12:22] <accuser> konstantinos: no-one uses a usb modem!
[12:22] <Orbo> I just installed ubuntu for the second tim (I was using gentoo for a while, just to taste a different distro), anyways, heres the question, can anyone provide the url to the repository faq for the latest releases of packages
[12:22] <accuser> lol
[12:23] <chimaera> Xira: 6.8.2?
[12:23] <konstantinos> heh ;)
[12:23] <mz2> randabis, can't be bothered, just am curious of what's gotten really very much better, as with a quick glance i didn't really see any major improvements from 3.3 :)
[12:23] <BubbaMarie> would someone be kind enough to walk me through installing ndiswrapper?  :D
[12:23] <Orbo> I added the hoary and warty universe and multiverse repositories, but stuff like xchat 2.0.8 is still showing up as the latest release
[12:24] <mz2> media:/ has been around in suse for ages, though
[12:24] <chimaera> BubbaMarie: they have excellent docs in their wiki..
[12:24] <BubbaMarie> oh
[12:24] <chimaera> mz2: well, the last time i used suse, it used kde2 ;)
[12:24] <konstantinos> final question and I'm out! this may sound silly, but after you have created a connection in the "network connections" window (or whatever it's called) can you create a shortcut to that very connection on the desktop or something? I must be missing something here... actually, I couldn't even find a "connect now" button anywhere - just windows to create/edit connections
[12:24] <mz2> chimaera, lol
[12:24] <dockane> i loved to play tetris via dialoglink cable. is there a way to play gnome tetris online
[12:25] <dockane> ?
[12:25] <chimaera> mz2: that is, i installed it at work some weeks ago, i nearly went crazy. i just don't understand it'S mechanisms..
[12:25] <libben> when i click and hold my leftmouse button... i can pull it and see the orange shaded box that will mark my things on desktop... why is it slow.. if i pull the mouse fast... it draws it upp slow... is it because of bad nvidia drivers or something?
[12:25] <kbrooks> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[12:25] <kbrooks> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] 
[12:26] <mz2> chimaera, i quite like suse. i even used to buy its releases until i tried ubuntu :)
[12:26] <kbrooks> the default path won't even work
[12:26] <mz2> yast is really nice, especially when it's perfectly usable on commandline as well as in X
[12:26] <chimaera> mz2: running debian for over three years now. wouldn't trade it for anything..
 dammit..
[12:27] <kbrooks> lol
[12:27] <randabis>     * Support for text to speech synthesis is integrated with the desktop
[12:27] <randabis>     * Completely redesigned, more flexible trash system
[12:27] <randabis>     * Kicker with improved look and feel
[12:27] <randabis>     * KPDF now enables you to select, copy & paste text and images from PDFs, along with many other improvements
[12:27] <randabis>     * Kontact supports now various groupware servers, including eGroupware, GroupWise, Kolab, OpenGroupware.org and SLOX
[12:27] <kbrooks> where are the C header files for my linux kernel?
[12:27] <chimaera> kbrooks: it'S in /lib
[12:27] <randabis>     * Kopete supports Novell Groupwise and Lotus Sametime and gets integrated into Kontact
[12:27] <randabis>     * DBUS/HAL support allows to keep dynamic device icons in media:/ and on the desktop in sync with the state of all devices
[12:27] <randabis>     * KHTML has improved standard support and now close to full support for CSS 2.1 and the CSS 3 Selectors module
[12:27] <randabis>     * Better synchronization between 2 PCs
[12:27] <randabis>     * A new high contrast style and a complete monochrome icon set
[12:28] <randabis>     * An icon effect to paint all icons in two chosen colors, converting third party application icons into high contrast monochrome icons
[12:28] <randabis>     * Akregator allows you to read news from your favourite RSS-enabled websites in one application
[12:28] <randabis>     * Juk has now an album cover management via Google Image Search
[12:28] <kbrooks> omg
[12:28] <mz2> eeeaargh
[12:28] <randabis>     * KMail now stores passwords securely with KWallet
[12:28] <randabis>     * SVG files can now be used as wallpapers
[12:28] <kbrooks> a paste
[12:28] <fr500> hello
[12:28] <randabis>     * KHTML plug-ins are now configurable, so the user can selectively disable ones that are not used. This does not include Netscape-style plug-ins. Netscape plug-in in CPU usage can be manually lowered, and plug-ins are more stable.
[12:28] <kbrooks> randabis, STOP
[12:28] <randabis>     * more than 6,500 bugs have been fixed
[12:28] <randabis>     * more than 1,700 wishes have been fullfilled
[12:28] <randabis>     * more than 80,000 contributions with several million lines of code and documentation added or changed
[12:28] <randabis> crap
[12:28] <randabis> REALLY sorry about that
[12:28] <randabis> that was supposed to be a pm
[12:28] <randabis> didn't turn out that way :(
[12:28] <fr500> i installed latest nagios with make install, now i want to remove to install latest version in repos, how can i do that?
[12:28] <randabis> kbrooks, read, I already appologized for it...it was an accident
[12:29] <kbrooks> chimaera, full path pls
[12:29] <QMario> How do I change the smb.conf to allow Windows to get permission to view my computer over the network?
[12:30] <kbrooks> chimaera, hm?
[12:30] <mz2> cool, svg wallpapers and improved look and feel to kicker... now only if they cleaned up the kcontrol and all the menus and made all configuration dialogs consistent and logical even to some extent :)
[12:30] <chimaera> kbrooks: lib/modules/<version>/build/include/ but it pointS' to yousources..
[12:31] <QMario> How do I change the smb.conf to allow Windows to get permission to view my computer over the network?
[12:32] <kbrooks> no build dir
[12:32] <QMario> How do I change the smb.conf to allow Windows to get permission to view my computer over the network?
[12:32] <chimaera> kbrooks: are you using a stock-kernel?
[12:33] <chimaera> very well, installed ubuntu'S gnome v2.10 on my debian box..
[12:33] <Dreamer3> away she gooes
[12:33] <kbrooks> chimaera, as in?
[12:33] <black_nightmare> any of you know how to start up 'software updates' when its not shown next to the clock yet?
[12:33] <QMario> How do I change the smb.conf to allow Windows to get permission to view my computer over the network?
[12:34] <Dreamer3> well, i did get from woody to sarge somehow, hmmmmmm.........
[12:34] <Dreamer3> black_nightmare: software updates?
[12:34] <kbrooks> SOMEHOW? meh
[12:34] <chimaera> kbrooks: dou you have compiled the kernel yourself or are you using one od ubuntu'S kernels?
[12:34] <kbrooks> chimaera, please don't capitalize S
[12:35] <chimaera> black_nightmare: you mean auto-package or synaptic?
[12:35] <black_nightmare> no....
[12:35] <QMario> How do I change the smb.conf to allow Windows to get permission to view my computer over the network?
[12:35] <chimaera> kbrooks: huh?
[12:35] <confrey> black_nightmare, from root terminal : apt-get update; and then apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:35] <QMario> How do I change the smb.conf to allow Windows to get permission to view my computer over the network?
[12:35] <kbrooks> chimaera, 'ubuntu'S'
[12:35] <confrey> QMario, install swat, it's simplier
[12:35] <black_nightmare> I used to have an icon left of the clock that was named 'software updates' .....but last time it was almost a bit too inconventional (I had to stay up past bedtime till it finally finished..I didn't think it would take that LONG)
[12:35] <chimaera> kbrooks: i don't release shift fast enought, where'S the prob?
[12:36] <black_nightmare> wanted to know how I could find it to start updates at my own time wishes
[12:36] <kbrooks> not clear enough to me
[12:36] <cam_> hi, which repositories do I add in order to get the latest releases of packages like xchat, the latest version that shows up in synaptic and apt-get is 2.0.8
[12:36] <chimaera> kbrooks: nice..
[12:36] <confrey> black_nightmare, do as I told you
[12:37] <black_nightmare> confrey..and would that let me select particular updates (not all)?
[12:37] <dayson> when is the next stable release coming out?
[12:37] <accuser> dayson: 6 april
[12:37] <chimaera> bye..
[12:38] <dayson> accuser: thanks
[12:38] <Dreamer3> well, going smooth so far
[12:38] <confrey> black_nightmare, no, you update all the distribution
[12:38] <declan> Greetings all.  Question: when Hoary comes out officially, should there be any advantage in downloading and reinstalling the thing, or is the hoary I've been updating on a daily basis more or less the same.  Is there any advantage to reinstalling?
[12:39] <Dreamer3> declan: same
[12:39] <black_nightmare> confrey..thats going to be really long time..oftenly I don't quite need all of the non-gnome&non-lib updates that appears in the 'software updates' list
[12:39] <Dreamer3> declan: reinstalling might order things on the disk a hair better... but i wouldn't bother :)
[12:39] <accuser> declan: reinstalling gives you a chance to get rid of all those packages you just had to try out, but don't need!
[12:39] <black_nightmare> so I just uncheck them like as in that I don't want to bother with them now but might grab them next time
[12:39] <Dreamer3> declan: i still swear unbuntu was so fast after installation because everything was neat and tight on the disk :)
[12:40] <accuser> lol
[12:40] <declan> I hope that's true.  I was wondering about suspend to disk functionality.  It doesn't work for me now, but some of the documentation seems to promise it.
[12:40] <confrey> when will hoary come out officially?
[12:40] <Dreamer3> declan: oh, that would be neat
[12:40] <fissy> 8th
[12:40] <QMario> Does anyone know how to print over a network?
[12:40] <declan> Indeed it would, Dreamer3
[12:40] <Dreamer3> declan: i never even suspend my laptop anymore, just take it between here and work carefully... got tired of suspend issues :)
[12:41] <accuser> QMario: to windows shared printer?
[12:41] <QMario> Yes.
[12:41] <declan> But you log off and power down, I presume?
[12:41] <dayson> wait does hoary come out on the 6th or the 8th?
[12:41] <QMario> From Windows to Ubuntu.
[12:41] <dayson> I've heard both in here
[12:41] <phxguy> can anyone help me with getting my mounted windows drive to show up on the desktop?
[12:42] <accuser> QMario: the printer is on the ubuntu machine, and shared via samba?
[12:42] <black_nightmare> *snorts*
[12:42] <encKe`> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[12:42] <fissy> phxguy, try adding user to the /etc/fstab line for the windows partition
[12:42] <black_nightmare> nevermind..I just HOPE 'system updates' does not pop up at another inconventional time
[12:42] <^NightHawk^> anyone with an amd64 here?
[12:43] <phxguy> fissy, i have this at the moment in my fstab ->/dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[12:43] <^NightHawk^> I recheck all configurations.. others applications can print well in gnome but openoffice show a generic printer that not print :P
[12:43] <bet0x> Hey
[12:43] <drewcore> silly question... how do i "format" a floppy that was for win so i can dd a disk image to it
[12:44] <bet0x> I cant use my Nikon Coolpix 755 Under Ubuntu
[12:44] <bet0x> Can any help me?
[12:44] <fissy> after umask=0222 add a ,user so its "umask=0222,user"
[12:44] <bet0x> Its a USB Camera, with flash storage
[12:44] <QMario> Yes, accuser.
[12:44] <hyphenated> drewcore: you're right, that is a silly question ;-)
[12:44] <QMario> Sorry I was late to respond.
[12:44] <BubbaMarie> sheesh
[12:44] <kbrooks> gdi
[12:44] <hyphenated> drewcore: dd doesn't care about formatting. the filesystem is part of the disk image you'll be dd-ing onto the floppy
[12:44] <kbrooks> the servers are SLOW
[12:44] <fissy> phxguy, after umask=0222 add a ,user so its "umask=0222,user"
[12:45] <fissy> QMario, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetworkPrintingFromWin2000/view?searchterm=printers
[12:45] <drewcore> but it says "device full" every time i run it
[12:45] <phxguy> fissy, ok ill try it
[12:45] <fissy> QMario, you don't need to  use samba
[12:45] <accuser> QMario: as fissy
[12:45] <kpeterson> Is there any way to control which workplace new windows appear in? (other then the active one)  Is there any way, for example, I could make all GAIM conversations appear in one particular workplace or the same workplace that the buddy list is located in?
[12:46] <libben> what do i do to update my firefox? its 1.0 from fresh install... im in synaptic manager...
[12:46] <black_nightmare> oh great..I finally found where 'system updates' was located....heh :p
[12:46] <phxguy> fissy, it still doesn't show up.
[12:46] <drewcore> the reason that i'm trying to do this is because i want to intsall ubuntu on an old machine so that i can give this kid (3 yr old) a machine to play with... but it has no network connectivity, and it makes it about 35 percent through setting up partitioner, so i cant set up swap space
[12:46] <kpeterson> libbean did you try to search for firefox?
[12:46] <drewcore> or install base, or anything
[12:46] <fissy> phxguy, what does it show up in the places menu?
[12:47] <fissy> phxguy, minus what*
[12:47] <hyphenated> drewcore: tried a different floppy disk?
[12:47] <libben> kpeterson, yeah...
[12:47] <fissy> libben, in synaptic, press the reload button
[12:47] <racingcamel> I am having trouble unzipping .zip files, Do I need to use something other than archive manager to unzip them. It always gives an error when I try and unzip .zip files and passowrd protected .rar files. Any suggestions?
[12:47] <kpeterson> libbean and did it show up?  is the box green or not?
[12:47] <fissy> libben, then search for firefox, if an upgrade is availble it should show you
[12:47] <phxguy> fissy, nope but it does show up in computer:/// now just not in the places menu or my desktop
[12:47] <libben> ooh
[12:48] <libben> thought when it was green it was allready installed
[12:48] <drewcore> hyphenated: yep
[12:48] <libben> checked it now..
[12:48] <libben> i just klick mark for upgrade =)
[12:48] <drewcore> hyphenated: no good
[12:48] <fissy> phxguy, try killall -9 gnome-panel to restart the panel
[12:48] <drewcore> hyphenated: i just want to be able to run fdisk on this machine before i actually try to install
[12:48] <drewcore> so i can use a swap space
[12:49] <hyphenated> drewcore: how big is the floppy image you're trying to copy?
[12:49] <phxguy> fissy,  ok i did that and still nothing
[12:49] <fissy> hmm
[12:49] <bet0x> any can help me with a USB camera under ubuntu?
[12:50] <phxguy> fissy, I have an external USB Drive and it shows up on the desktop just fine.....
[12:50] <drewcore> hyphenated: just the right size... 1474650
[12:50] <fissy> partitions on the same drive as / don't show up on the desktop for me either, they do show up in places though. I think its clever enough to know a root hard drive on an ide interface isn't likely to be removable
[12:50] <libben> one thing i liked with ubuntu... it found my usb cable modem =) dident think i would be able to install from netinstall with usb internet
[12:50] <phxguy> fissy, I have windows on a seperate drive then my linux install
[12:51] <bet0x> =(
[12:51] <bet0x> im invisible? :P
[12:51] <fissy> phxguy, well if its ide its not removable ;-) sata might not be either, I don't know how well linux supports that. Would putting a symlink on your desktop be ok as a last resort?
[12:51] <drewcore> any advice on setting up a swap space before/during install... i dont have enough physical memory to get the partitioner loaded
[12:51] <declan> I can't see you.  Are you there?
[12:52] <bet0x> xD
[12:52] <bet0x> any can help me with a USB camera under ubuntu?
[12:52] <bet0x> I cant configure my Nikon Coolpix 775
[12:52] <bet0x> And i dont know how too :)
[12:52] <phxguy> fissy, Ive done that in the past.... whats wierd is that sometimes it shows up when I reboot and sometimes it doesn't
[12:53] <fissy> phxguy, yeah, in gentoo it showed up for me every time without fail, ubuntu does depending on the time of day
[12:53] <phxguy> very flaky....
[12:53] <fissy> bet0x, can you try importing photos using gthumb?
[12:53] <bet0x> i try gthumb
[12:53] <bet0x> and nothing
[12:53] <bet0x> :S
[12:53] <Insom> hi people
[12:54] <dockane> what do i have to install to view real-player streams ?
[12:54] <Insom> is there any kind of gui based contorle ceter for mysql?
[12:54] <fissy> bet0x, have you tried using the camera in windows? Which method did you use to get pictures off the camera if you did?
[12:54] <drewcore> Insom: mysql navigator
[12:54] <fissy> Insom, mysqlcc
[12:54] <phxguy> fissy i had kubuntu installed and my drive showed up on the desktop there everytime.... It must be something with the ubuntu flavor of gnome
[12:54] <bet0x> its via file system
[12:54] <bet0x> the camera its mounted
[12:54] <bet0x> "under windows"
[12:54] <bet0x> like a flash drive
[12:55] <fissy> bet0x, so when you plug it in with ubuntu nothing happens?
[12:55] <fissy> phxguy, yeah i guess - the versions they use of hal and dbus in ubuntu are more bleeding edge than in gentoo stable
[12:55] <drewcore> brb, gotta try somethin else... probably smoke a cigarette too
[12:55] <fissy> thought that doesn't explain kubuntu
[12:56] <fissy> which ought to be the same? :s
[12:56] <phxguy> fissy, was gentoo e-z to install???
[12:56] <bet0x> (gthumb:30848): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[12:56] <bet0x> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[12:56] <phxguy> fissy, which do you prefer?
[12:56] <chimaera> wasnt' there a feature in gnome to select an image as wallpaper on right-clikc?
[12:57] <psychicdragon> Hey yo, I just came into possesion of a new hard-drive. Would it be possible to transfer the contents of my current drive to it and then replace them without breaking anything?
[12:57] <fissy> gentoo, but its very close. I'm in ubuntu now and I don't feel any great need to reinstall
[12:57] <phxguy> chimaera, yeah right click desktop and should have 'change background backtop'
[12:57] <trust> Hi!
[12:58] <phxguy> fissy, yeah linux installs are a pain in the ass
[12:58] <fissy> in gentoo everything works perfectly, sure you have to set it up but its what you make it. There are small things wrong with my ubuntu install, like the way firefox has been compiled that I can't easily fix
[12:58] <chimaera> phxguy: ah, thanks. i thought it was possible out of the filemanager..
[12:58] <fissy> hello trust
[12:58] <Insom> and how do i tell scite where to find c compiler?
[12:59] <caffinated> fissy: until you don't update for a length of time, and then are faced with 500 etc-update changes
[12:59] <caffinated> then it's really easy to break things.
[12:59] <fissy> caffinated, I have never bothered using etc-update once
[12:59] <caffinated> fissy: i'm surprised it's still running then
[12:59] <phxguy> lol
[12:59] <trust> let's see if I can work this one out...
[12:59] <fissy> people are scared into breaking their systems by the over the top warnings that emerge gives them
[01:00] <fissy> caffinated, how can any system update without the risk of breaking configs?
[01:00] <caffinated> fissy: ubuntu seems to pull it off without too much hassle.
[01:00] <Flonne> fissy, please see Debian Stable.
[01:00] <fissy> well gentoo manages it too
[01:00] <caffinated> not from what i've seen
[01:01] <caffinated> i've had to spend hours in a diff editor with gentoo
[01:01] <malte`> stop distro-wars please :)
[01:01] <Flonne> fissy, I am, and have been for three years, a Gentoo user.
[01:01] <caffinated> malte`: who's at way?
[01:01] <caffinated> *watr
[01:01] <caffinated> argh
[01:01] <Flonne> war*
[01:01] <caffinated> Flonne: i'm not saying anything even remotely like "gentoo is crap"
[01:01] <trust> I could never get gentoo working...
[01:01] <malte`> caffinated,you see,yu're nevrous, take it easy
[01:01] <fissy> if there is a large configuration change between packages then either the package manager is going to have to risk breaking the current config by merging a new one or leaving the config and praying it works with the new software
[01:01] <Flonne> I wouldn't care if you did, caffinated. :)
[01:02] <malte`> just take it easy men
[01:02] <Flonne> This isn't #gentoo, so it really doesn't matter what you think about that distro.
[01:02] <caffinated> malte`: "you're"
[01:02] <trust> oh no
[01:02] <Flonne> Now, people probably need help. =P
[01:02] <caffinated> ;)
[01:02] <trust> Segmentation Faults are never good...
[01:02] <malte`> caffinated, my "" is fucked
[01:02] <malte`> ehaehaeh
[01:02] <malte`> my "o"
[01:02] <caffinated> heh
[01:02] <Madeye> Madeye's Uptime: 02:07:21 up 3 days,  9:33,  3 users,  load average: 0.69, 0.57, 0.55
[01:02] <Madeye> that rocks !
[01:02] <caffinated> malte`: i nornally blame it on my fingers
[01:02] <Madeye> ubuntu rocks
[01:02] <caffinated> normally too
[01:03] <Flonne> Wait until you break a year, Madeye. :)
[01:03] <black_nightmare> heh  oh well :p
[01:03] <malte`> i should learn to write in english avoiding words with the "o" letter
[01:03] <Madeye> Flonne,  no way, I don't trust electricity man
[01:03] <trust> there any way to completely reset the X.org config?
[01:03] <caffinated> malte`: just keep it in your clipboard heh
[01:04] <Flonne> What did you do to it, trust?
[01:04] <zerovertex> or use 0 for o
[01:04] <trust> Flonne: I broke it =|
[01:04] <malte`> I CTRL+V instead f writing an o eheheh
[01:04] <fissy> trust back it up, then restart the X server and it will try and autoconfigure itself
[01:04] <caffinated> malte`: i can picture it now "can someone PLEASE type 'o' so i can put it in the clipboard?"
[01:04] <Madeye> LOL
[01:04] <Flonne> Doing what, exactly?
[01:04] <bestadvocate> hey does anyone know if the realplayer/helixplayer installer works for AMD64s?
[01:04] <malte`> L0L
[01:04] <trust> I was fiddling =(
[01:04] <albert> i sill with my ptroblem
[01:04] <albert> =(
[01:04] <kbrooks> The path "/usr/src/linux/include" is an existing directory, but it does not
[01:04] <kbrooks> contain at least one of these directories "linux", "asm", "net" as expected.
[01:04] <kbrooks> fuck
[01:04] <phxguy> what codecs do I need to play .WMV movies in ubuntu.... I can play them now but the quality is less than crappy
[01:04] <zerovertex> keyboards are like $15 at office max
[01:04] <Flonne> Were you using a text editor to play with it?
[01:04] <bet0x> i can use my coolpix 755 nikon under ubuntu
[01:04] <kbrooks> i supplied a fucking symlink
[01:04] <malte`> i never noticed o and 0 are next each other
[01:05] <bet0x> the gthumb not have my driber :S
[01:05] <Flonne> And was it in working condition before your last save?
[01:05] <kbrooks> and it fucking wont fscking work
[01:05] <fissy> phxguy, could try isntalling xine
[01:05] <kbrooks> WHY!!!!!!!!
[01:05] <phxguy> zerovertex, I got akeyboard at officemax for 6.95
[01:05] <fissy> hi again bet0x
[01:05] <malte`> zerovertex, you're right, but not laptops' ones :)
[01:05] <kbrooks> anyone help?
[01:05] <bet0x> hi fissy
[01:05] <phxguy> fissy, whats xine?
[01:05] <bet0x> fissy Gthumb freeze my Ubuntu
[01:05] <fissy> another media player, like totem
[01:05] <bet0x> :S
[01:05] <mopflite> xine is a media player - very good too
[01:05] <phxguy> o ok
[01:05] <trust> woah
[01:05] <zerovertex> laptops have ps/2 or usb ports.. external keyboard.
[01:05] <trust> anyway
[01:05] <fissy> bet0x, :(
[01:05] <phxguy> can i apt-get that?
[01:06] <fissy> phxguy, yep
[01:06] <trust> where's the X config file on buntu?
[01:06] <monteiro> trust : /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:06] <Flonne> trust, /etc/X11/xorg.conf by default.
[01:06] <bet0x> trust, /etc/X11
[01:06] <trust> thanky
[01:06] <bet0x> Depends of the version
[01:06] <fissy> bet0x, when you plug it in, what happens, does it show up on the ubuntu desktop like a usb disk drive?
[01:06] <bet0x> i have Xfree86 installed
[01:06] <trust> ah
[01:06] <trust> there it be
[01:06] <malte`> zerovertex, i'll buy a minimalist PS/2 keyboard with just the letter "o" on
[01:06] <bet0x> fissy, no
[01:06] <phxguy> fissy i tried apt-get and it tells me that it is not available
[01:06] <kbrooks> root@kyle:/usr/src/linux/include/linux # ls -l |grep linux
[01:06] <kbrooks> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root            1 2005-03-30 18:03 linux -> .
[01:06] <zerovertex> *LMAO*
[01:06] <kbrooks> root@kyle:/usr/src/linux/include/linux # pwd
[01:06] <kbrooks> /usr/src/linux/include/linux
[01:06] <trust> ah
[01:06] <malte`> freaking cool
[01:07] <caffinated> malte`: you could just make a new keymap that puts it somewhere else too
[01:07] <kbrooks> anyone?
[01:07] <trust> that's not helping
[01:07] <Flonne> malte`, you could redefine your .Xkeymap so that another key replaces 'o'.
[01:07] <trust> hm!
[01:07] <zerovertex> hack the keymap to use someother key for o
[01:07] <malte`> this is a better idea
[01:07] <zerovertex> like the windows key
[01:07] <Flonne> Great idea, zerovertex. ;)
[01:07] <kbrooks> "The path "/usr/src/linux/include" is an existing directory, but it does not contain at least one of these directories "linux", "asm", "net" as expected."
[01:07] <kbrooks> anyone?
[01:07] <kbrooks> data is above
[01:07] <malte`> maybe the  key ... i don't need a "" while writing in english
[01:07] <mopflite> I've just installed ubuntu for the first time, and am a long term suse user - I must say that the unbuntu installation process is pretty impressive
[01:07] <bet0x> fissy, i will try with photopc
[01:07] <fissy> bet0x, take the camera out, run dmesg in a console, then plug it in, then run dmesg again, copy and paste the last couple of lines
[01:07] <bet0x> but gthumb not have drivers
[01:07] <HrdwrBoB> kbrooks: install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[01:08] <zerovertex> Flonne, you know what they say about great minds
[01:08] <bet0x> fissy, ok
[01:08] <kbrooks> HrdwrBoB, thank god
[01:08] <kbrooks> HrdwrBoB, thanks
[01:08] <bet0x> usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using address 6
[01:08] <bet0x> usb 1-2: device not accepting address 6, error -71
[01:08] <bet0x> usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using address 7
[01:08] <bet0x> usb 1-2: device not accepting address 7, error -71
[01:08] <HrdwrBoB> no worries
[01:08] <Flonne> trust, "dpkg-reconfigure xorg" might work, though I can't say for sure.
[01:08] <mopflite> s/unbuntu/ubuntu
[01:08] <Flonne> zerovertex, that they should be locked away for the greater good of humanity?
[01:08] <dockane> i know what symbolic links are, but what does that mean in context of system wider P
[01:08] <dockane> i know what symbolic links are, but what does that mean in context of system wide ?
[01:08] <kbrooks> root@kyle:/home/kyle/vmware-distrib # apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[01:08] <kbrooks> Reading Package Lists... Done
[01:08] <kbrooks> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[01:08] <kbrooks> E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386
[01:09] <zerovertex> Flonne, that too, but i was going another direction with that
[01:09] <kbrooks> ^^^^^^^
[01:09] <fissy> bet0x, hmm your camera isn't playing nice, could you private message me the last 20 lines of that dmesg?
[01:09] <rlloyd> i need the path to the install the libdvdcss package
[01:09] <zerovertex> LOL
[01:09] <malte`> i'm rebooting into this new kernel... hope to chat with you in 2 minutes
[01:09] <rlloyd> can someone help me?
[01:09] <Flonne> kbrooks, try running "apt-get update" first.
[01:09] <malte`> if i'll not be here...
[01:09] <malte`> ...go on anyway
[01:09] <Flonne> rlloyd, why do you need it? Programs that need it should be able to find it automatically.
[01:09] <kbrooks> updating
[01:09] <trust> hm
[01:09] <trust> seems to be a more major problem than a config file
[01:09] <rlloyd> i need to install it
[01:10] <rlloyd> so that i can play dvd's
[01:10] <bet0x> done
[01:10] <trust> any clue how to burn ISOs to CD via a command line?
[01:10] <bet0x> now works
[01:10] <fissy> bet0x, what happened?
[01:10] <caffinated> except realmedia, but who wants that anyway
[01:10] <Flonne> rlloyd, try "apt-cache search dvdcss" to find the name of the package.
[01:10] <zerovertex> trust, man cdrecord
[01:10] <Flonne> trust, cdrecord.
[01:10] <trust> zerovertex/Flonne: Thanky
[01:10] <SGC|Work> trust, cdrecord will extract the ISO for you by default, man cdrecord
[01:10] <zerovertex> Flonne, beat ya on that one :-)
[01:11] <SGC|Work> ok, so I'm slow
[01:11] <Flonne> You had a more verbose answer, SGC|Work. :)
[01:11] <mopflite> rlloyd: if ubuntu's procedure is the same as suse's, for legal reasons users need to find libdvdcss for themselves
[01:12] <SGC|Work> Fleebailey33, yeah, but didn't even get it out before the thanks :)
[01:12] <SGC|Work> Flonne, that is
[01:12] <Flonne> It sort of is, mopflite. You'll need to explicitly add additional repositories before it will work.
[01:12] <Flonne> Thus ensuring that you made the decision.
[01:12] <bet0x> fissy, /dev/sda1 on /media/sda1 type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,uid=1000,gid=1000)
[01:12] <bet0x> :D
[01:13] <kbrooks> still not foimf
[01:13] <fissy> fair enough :)
[01:13] <kbrooks> found
[01:13] <kbrooks> @ Flonne
[01:13] <rlloyd> mopflite... i do not know what the procedures are for ubuntu, but given their philosophy i do not think they follow suse
[01:13] <kbrooks> rlloyd, ubuntu has to
[01:13] <phxguy> XINE ROCKS!!!!!
[01:13] <bet0x> hum
[01:13] <Flonne> kbrooks, how are you trying to install it?
[01:13] <phxguy> video quality is much much better
[01:13] <rlloyd> i know that the debian guys will say... but they do not like to help ubuntu users
[01:13] <bet0x> fissy,  its a problem detecting the camera
[01:14] <bet0x> need be documented
[01:14] <bet0x> Ubuntu not have a system like kudzu no?
[01:14] <bet0x> how detect the new drivers or usb stuff's?
[01:14] <bestadvocate> hey does anyone know if the Realplayer installer should work on an AMD64?
[01:14] <kbrooks> Flonne, apt
[01:14] <kbrooks> duh.
[01:14] <johnnybezak> bestadvocate: i wouldnt suggest getting it at all
[01:15] <Flonne> I know, kbrooks, but what package has it listed as a dependency?
[01:15] <johnnybezak> it screwed up my sound
[01:15] <Flonne> bestadvocate, oppose proprietary formats. :(
[01:15] <fissy> bet0x, I think it uses hotplug to load drivers according to plugging in and taking out stuff. I don't know how kudzu works. Did you have to create that fstab line yourself or did ubuntu eventually just work it out?
[01:15] <kbrooks> Flonne, vmware needs the path to the linux headers
[01:15] <kbrooks> vmware-install
[01:15] <johnnybezak> bestadvocate: what do you need to use it for?
[01:15] <bet0x> fissy, i load with modprobe the scsi drivers and usb storage drivers
[01:16] <bet0x> modprobe -a usb
[01:16] <bet0x> modprobe -a scsi
[01:16] <bestadvocate> johnnybezak:weird , i need to play a movie file i already have in  .rm format
[01:16] <ubuntu> threeten
[01:16] <bet0x> and i create on media the sda1 directory
[01:16] <johnnybezak> bestadvocate: won't mplayer or xine or something play these formats?
[01:16] <Flonne> kbrooks, that package might be obsolete, and the devs may have failed to update it. You could try to find the .deb yourself and manually install it.
[01:16] <kbrooks> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[01:16] <kbrooks> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] 
[01:16] <kbrooks> The path "/usr/src/linux/include" is an existing directory, but it does not
[01:16] <kbrooks> contain at least one of these directories "linux", "asm", "net" as expected.
[01:16] <bet0x> fissy, BUT i install first the photopc
[01:17] <bet0x> fissy, and the dev1 library
[01:17] <kbrooks> Flonne, .....
[01:17] <bestadvocate> johnnybezak: tried mplayer & xine (even did the whole mplayer codecs install from source) and no luck so far
[01:17] <kbrooks> root@kyle:/usr/src/linux/include/linux # ls -l |grep linux
[01:17] <kbrooks> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         3124 2004-08-14 01:36 coda_linux.h
[01:17] <kbrooks> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root            1 2005-03-30 18:03 linux -> .
[01:17] <kbrooks> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         1098 2004-08-14 01:36 linux_logo.h
[01:17] <kbrooks> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          884 2004-08-14 01:36 selinux_netlink.h
[01:17] <kbrooks> root@kyle:/usr/src/linux/include/linux # pwd
[01:17] <bet0x> bestadvocate, use Video Lan
[01:17] <kbrooks> /usr/src/linux/include/linux
[01:17] <kbrooks> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[01:17] <kbrooks> data above.
[01:17] <bet0x> bestadvocate, its BETTER than XINE or MPLAYER
[01:17] <johnnybezak> does epiphany use gecko?
[01:18] <Flonne> Yes, johnnybezak.
[01:18] <phxguy> fissy, how do i get xine to play dvd's
[01:18] <johnnybezak> i think there is something drastically wrong with gecko in hoary atm
[01:18] <bestadvocate> bet0x: is that even in the repos? and does it do realmedia codecs?
[01:18] <bet0x> johnnybezak, Epiphany is one of a family of web browsers that use the [WWW] Gecko layout engine...
[01:18] <fissy> bet0x, I don't think the photopc would have had anything to do with it - I thought that was just for a few weird cameras that don't use the pictbridge interface or usb storage
[01:18] <Insom> is there some kind of gui controle center kind of thing for apache?
[01:18] <bet0x> bestadvocate, works for me to see SVCD movies or Divx movies
[01:19] <kbrooks> clones galore
[01:19] <bet0x> Insom, Comanche
[01:19] <johnnybezak> well gecko has been buggered on hoary, ever since i updated about 2 months ago
[01:19] <fissy> Insom, closest thing would be webmin
[01:19] <bet0x> Insom, is the TCL/TK Gui for apache
[01:19] <phxguy> i got this error when i inserted a dvd movie.... libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable.
[01:19] <bestadvocate> bet0x: even xine has most of my divx working
[01:19] <johnnybezak> phxguy: you need libdvdcss
[01:19] <phxguy> libdvdread: Could not open input: No medium found
[01:20] <bet0x> bestadvocate, videolan not need configurations
[01:20] <bet0x> detects diveos and more
[01:20] <bet0x> i dont want a flamewar
[01:20] <bet0x> its a opinion
[01:20] <kbrooks> lol
[01:20] <bet0x> =)
[01:20] <Insom> tnx all
[01:20] <bet0x> Insom, np
[01:20] <caffinated> phxguy: try here: http://twolife.org/decss/download.php
[01:20] <caffinated> get the libdvdcss package
[01:21] <phxguy> caffinated, its in synaptic... thanks
[01:21] <bestadvocate> well thanks for trying to help all,
[01:21] <caffinated> is it?
[01:21] <kbrooks> cya :P
[01:21] <Insom> one more thing.. bet0x: where is the php root folder on ubuntu?
[01:21] <Fackamato> can I download the firefox source, compile myself, and install over the firefox package? if so, what happens when I apt-get upgrade to a new firefox? will it just write over?
[01:21] <johnnybezak> is there a gnome khtml browser?
[01:21] <bet0x> Insom, php root folder?
[01:21] <nydust> are hoary under whery much updates today? cause the software update tells me to update all the time.
[01:21] <Insom> yup
[01:21] <bet0x> its where you configure the apache doc root
[01:21] <phxguy> ok now it says -> libdvdread: Can't open /dev/dvd for reading
[01:21] <caffinated> phxguy: strange, it's not in synaptic here
[01:21] <bet0x> or you need the config?
[01:21] <Insom> sorry
[01:22] <caffinated> phxguy: you must have an additional repository or something
[01:22] <Insom> kind of late over here... brain in stand by mode
[01:22] <Insom> tnx
[01:22] <bet0x> Insom, np brother
[01:22] <phxguy> caffinated, yeah i have added some repositories
[01:22] <kbrooks> video lan ...?
[01:22] <phxguy> from ubuntuguide.org
[01:22] <kbrooks> whats the c sdstand for
[01:23] <phxguy> how do i get it to open /dev/dvd for reading?
[01:23] <fissy> stop anything else looking at it
[01:23] <fissy> unmount it if you have to, but you shouldn't
[01:24] <Flonne> kbrooks, "client"
[01:25] <fissy> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main has the dvd packages
[01:25] <holycow> *hmmm*
[01:26] <holycow> anyone know if its safe to resize a reiser partition on which linux is installed using say a live cd like knoppix?
[01:26] <^NightHawk^> anyone with an amd64 here?
[01:26] <Flonne> Do you have a separate /home partition?
[01:26] <^NightHawk^> I recheck all configurations.. others applications can print well in gnome but openoffice show a generic printer that not print :P
[01:26] <Flonne> I have one, ^NightHawk^.
[01:27] <holycow> Flonne, thats the problem, no, i would like to resize the main one down and create  a new partition for /home
[01:27] <holycow> <-- idiot
[01:27] <apokryphos> holycow: you can use qtparted/gparted for that
[01:27] <apokryphos> Though partitioning isn't the safest thing out there; many (myself included) have had problems.
[01:27] <phxguy> fissy ok im trying now
[01:28] <^NightHawk^> Flonne,  and do u use hoary?
[01:28] <holycow> apokryphos, *nod* what i mean is is it safe to do it on the partition on which linux is installed tho?  is it known to mess up a system?
[01:28] <Flonne> Not in amd64 mode...
[01:28] <^NightHawk^> :P
[01:28] <ch_> I'd like to install fglrx but "apt-cache search fglrx" shows nothing. Where is this package located?
[01:28] <phxguy> what should i look for fissy
[01:28] <holycow> apokryphos, ah okay, heh, well, i hope i backed up everything :)
[01:28] <holycow> thx
[01:28] <Flonne> ^NightHawk^, is your question specifically related to Hoary?
[01:29] <apokryphos> holycow: It has been known to, yes. Many have never had problems; I have, however, with all the partition programs I've tried
[01:29] <^NightHawk^> no... it matter with warty too
[01:29] <apokryphos> holycow: particularly Windoze stuff (well, at least PartitionMagic).
[01:29] <^NightHawk^> i installed cupsys-bsd but openoffice dont use cups printers
[01:30] <kbrooks> ^NightHawk^, er
[01:30] <kbrooks> ^NightHawk^, use the......
[01:30] <kbrooks> ho
[01:30] <^NightHawk^> ?
[01:30] <kbrooks> Computer > System configuration > Printing
[01:30] <phxguy> ??
[01:30] <^NightHawk^> err
[01:30] <ch_> hello, where can I fing fglrx package???
[01:31] <^NightHawk^> i have 4 printers in it
[01:31] <holycow> apokryphos, *nod* yeah i've heard about windows stuff hosing when repartitioning, lets hope linux is more robust and fragmentation isn't too bad :)
[01:31] <^NightHawk^> and others applications run well
[01:31] <lunitik> ch_: its in restricted.
[01:31] <kbrooks> holycow, linux does not require a defrag utility
[01:31] <^NightHawk^> but no openoffice
[01:31] <apokryphos> holycow: Yes; let's hope it goes well.
[01:31] <holycow> kbrooks, *nod* reiser does it automatically, but fragmentation still happens marginally right?
[01:32] <kbrooks> .....
[01:32] <Flonne> ^NightHawk^, your problem is not amd64-based; OpenOffice is a collection of 32-bit apps.
[01:32] <kbrooks> "marginally"?
[01:32] <Insom> bet0x: hod i start this webmin thing?
[01:32] <phxguy> any ideas on how i can get xine to read my dvd?
[01:32] <holycow> kbrooks, i can't believe that data sometimes has to be spread around occasionally
[01:32] <^NightHawk^> but oo comes with hoary-amd64
[01:32] <lunitik> Insom: /etc/init.d/webmin start
[01:32] <holycow> true atomicity on reiser is only available in reiser4 anyway which is not implemented yet
[01:33] <Insom> bet0x: no gui?
[01:33] <Insom> lunitik: no gui?
[01:33] <phxguy> i get this error when i try to play my dvd libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.8 for DVD access
[01:33] <phxguy> libdvdread: Could not open /dev/dvd with libdvdcss.
[01:33] <phxguy> libdvdread: Can't open /dev/dvd for reading
[01:33] <Flonne> ^NightHawk^, does your OOo setup display any printers you've configured through Gnome? (It's 32-bit software running with the kernel's IA32 compatibility modules)
[01:33] <lunitik> Insom: http://localhost:10001
[01:33] <ch_> lunitik: I have the following line in source.list : deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted" and can't see it. Any idea why?
[01:33] <^NightHawk^> no.. this is the problem
[01:33] <monteiro> where can i had a line that i've shore that will be executed when the system is starting ?
[01:34] <leww1> hey guys, i accidently screwed my xorg.conf file.  Can someone with a nvidia card please send me theirs?
[01:34] <Flonne> leww1, what did you do to it? (It might be possible to revert the changes)
[01:34] <phxguy> leww1, you still having problems?
[01:34] <leww1> uhhh
[01:35] <syn1> what distro does linus use? just out of curiosity
[01:35] <Insom> still no luck lunitik
[01:35] <^NightHawk^> oo shows a "generic printer" that it doesnt work.. i have 4 printers now in gnome
[01:35] <Insom> connection refused
[01:35] <apokryphos> syn1: Ubuntu, of course.
[01:35] <leww1> thats right
[01:35] <leww1> i tried to change the colour depth
[01:35] <lunitik> syn1: rumor has it SuSE ...
[01:35] <phxguy> he uses linus-linux
[01:35] <leww1> and the whole thing died
[01:35] <treke> Are the configs used for the kernel builds in hoary stored anywhere in the linux-source-2.6.10 package? I've been looking through it and don't see anything
[01:35] <Flonne> ^NightHawk^, it's possible that cupsys-bsd is not the right package. I'd check the forums.
[01:35] <Bicchi> diff. of ubuntu vs gentoo, anyone?
[01:35] <syn1> apokryphos: haha
[01:35] <treke> ugh stupid me
[01:35] <apokryphos> syn1: Nope; he uses a Mac. :)
[01:35] <nydust> syn1, OSX!!!
[01:35] <treke> didnt think to look in /boot :p
[01:35] <Flonne> ^NightHawk^, I'll be setting Ubuntu up on this system over the weekend, so I might be able to help then.
[01:35] <lunitik> Bicchi: binary vs source would be the main one...
[01:35] <leww1> i tried to change the colour depth using xorgconfig, and it died
[01:36] <ian> does hoary have an APM kernel option?
[01:36] <leww1> pffft macs aren't all they're cracked up to be
[01:36] <^NightHawk^> ok.. thx u very much... :D
[01:36] <syn1> nydust: yes!
[01:36] <fissy> he doesn't use os x
[01:36] <apokryphos> syn1: Well, I'm getting this off Google. Apparently he used SuSE/Novell too
[01:36] <Bicchi> lunitik: so ubuntu is precompiled?
[01:36] <lunitik> Bicchi: chances are if you don't know though, you shouldn't be using Gentoo.
[01:36] <Flonne> Sorry I wasn't able to help now. :(
[01:36] <codyman> is there a way that i can set my monitor to shut off after a certain period of time?
[01:36] <phxguy> leww1, you should have a backup
[01:36] <lunitik> Bicchi: umm... yeah
[01:36] <leww1> where
[01:36] <leww1> phxguy: where?
[01:36] <syn1> leww1: pfft you
[01:36] <phxguy> let me look
[01:36] <leww1> syn1: pfft you even more
[01:36] <Bicchi> lunitik: i just heard good things about gentoo. but wasn' sure about it.
[01:36] <syn1> apokryphos: i see
[01:37] <lunitik> Bicchi: if you're new to linux... gentoo is not for you
[01:37] <phxguy> leww1, /var/backups/xorg I've had to revert myself
[01:37] <monteiro> where can i execute a command when the system is starting ?
[01:37] <Flonne> Bicchi, if you go with Gentoo, you should be prepared to cruise forums for a while and learn to configure everything yourself; if you choose Ubuntu, you shouldn't have many problems.
[01:37] <Bicchi> lunitik: well, i have use mandrake before.
[01:37] <^NightHawk^> dont worry Flonne ... i'm a sysadmin and i put this machine on a production environment.. but i earn a headhache with it :P
[01:37] <leww1> syn1: seriously man, i think my views might be biased.  We had Mac OSX on iMacs and eMacs (both slower than a wet week)
[01:37] <lunitik> monteiro: /etc/rc2.d
[01:37] <treke> and if you're not new to linux gentoo probably isn't for you :)
[01:37] <leww1> syn1: at school
[01:37] <lunitik> Bicchi: doesn't count
[01:37] <Flonne> Bicchi, Drake is a joke.
[01:37] <apokryphos> syn1: I wonder whether he uses KDE or GNOME etc ;)
[01:37] <Bicchi> flonne: by the way i have an amd64 is there good support for this architecture?
[01:38] <monteiro> lunitik : tks :)
[01:38] <caffinated> OS X wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't an attempt at hardware lock-in
[01:38] <lunitik> Bicchi: yes
[01:38] <lunitik> caffinated: attempt at?
[01:38] <apokryphos> Google results for "Linus uses KDE": 30. For GNOME: none. :|
[01:38] <phxguy> can anyone help with my dvd and xine?
[01:38] <caffinated> lunitik: it's not succeeding here, i don't own a mac ;)
[01:38] <syn1> apokryphos: haha
[01:38] <lunitik> apokryphos: umm... thats kinda why he uses SuSE...
[01:38] <Bicchi> can i get kde instead of gnome?
[01:38] <Flonne> Bicchi, I run Gentoo for amd64. There were a number of problems configuring it. I've worked them all out, but I wouldn't recommend it if you don't already have considerable troubleshooting experience.
[01:38] <lunitik> Bicchi: yes...
[01:38] <syn1> caffinated: is has to be..
[01:39] <apokryphos> lunitik: He does? Right.
[01:39] <caffinated> syn1: no it doesn't.
[01:39] <caffinated> they could port that whole codebase.  but it would take away from their hardware sales.
[01:39] <ch_> lunitik, I did add restricted but can't see fglrx.
[01:39] <Bicchi> lunitik: so utuntu uses rpm's to install software?
[01:40] <Arnia> Bicchi: But try Gnome... it works brilliantly in Hoary
[01:40] <black_nightmare> someone care to tell me how to delete *.old files at root? :p
[01:40] <kbrooks> no
[01:40] <kbrooks> Bicchi, no
[01:40] <Arnia> Bicchi: It uses debs
[01:40] <lunitik> ch_: apt-cache search fglrx
[01:40] <roo_> im getting a problem with a wireless adapter (usb, belkin, atmel chipset).
[01:40] <ch_> lunitik, apt-cache search fglrx returns nothing.
[01:40] <lunitik> Bicchi: these are stupid questions that can be easily found out online...
[01:41] <roo_> "wlan0: no IPv6 routers present"
[01:41] <roo_> any ideas?
[01:41] <Bicchi> does ubuntu have a package cd that contains software. like an additional cd.
[01:41] <roo_> the connection just dies.
[01:41] <kbrooks> black_nightmare, use find
[01:41] <ian> Bicchi: no, it has synaptic
[01:41] <Arnia> Bicchi: No, Ubuntu uses apt
[01:41] <kbrooks> Bicchi, 1 cd, and thats it
[01:41] <black_nightmare> 'find' ?
[01:41] <ian> I love that it's one CD
[01:42] <^NightHawk^> Flonne, maybe u can contact with ubuntu developers... please.. if u can, say them that asterisk dont be able to install because dep problems in amd64 hoary... and xtightvncserver crashes in amd64 compilation.. i386 works fine
[01:42] <lunitik> Ubuntu needs a net install option!
[01:42] <black_nightmare> lunit..so buy a premade cd? :p
[01:42] <^NightHawk^> asterisk have dep problems since a month ago
[01:42] <lunitik> black_nightmare: fuck that
[01:42] <black_nightmare> lun.. 600MB times more than 10 is too much for a single server to go alone
[01:42] <caffinated> lunitik: well, it adds up to that the first time you install it anyway, since it'll want to update right away.
[01:42] <black_nightmare> thats over 60gb jeeze :p
[01:43] <kbrooks> black_nightmare, this command:
[01:43] <caffinated> probably more than that actually
[01:43] <lunitik> caffinated: I rarely use about 400mb of the install CD though... its overkill
[01:43] <kbrooks> find / -name *.old -exec echo {} \;
[01:43] <kbrooks> will tell you the *.old files
[01:43] <kbrooks> and
[01:43] <kbrooks> find / -name *.old -exec rm {} \;
[01:43] <Arnia> lunitik: Besides... install CDs are free
[01:43] <kbrooks> will remove them
[01:44] <ian> lunitik: http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/
[01:44] <caffinated> lunitik: i'm not sure what one point has to do with the other though.  almost the entire installation has updates as soon as you install it ;)
[01:44] <lunitik> Arnia: not the fucking point dude!
[01:44] <black_nightmare> ah ty kbrooks -- I need to write that down..one second ;)
[01:44] <lunitik> ian: you too
[01:44] <kbrooks> whats the point
[01:44] <Arnia> Language
[01:44] <Bicchi> does ubuntu come with a partitioning tool or should i use partition magic first?
[01:44] <kbrooks> black_nightmare, no, i found it all with man find
[01:44] <Flonne> ^NightHawk^, I'll be sure to test as much as I can after 5.04 is officially out.
[01:44] <caffinated> so the idea that you're saving any kind of bandwidth is a little silly
[01:44] <Flonne> ^NightHawk^, until then, too many changes are taking place for me to stay on top of things.
[01:44] <kbrooks> actions area
[01:45] <ian> lunitik: can't rightfully complain about the data size of a free product whose creators will ship you a free CD :)
[01:45] <lunitik> ian: sure I can
[01:45] <Arnia> Bicchi: Use partition magic first
[01:45] <Flonne> Bicchi, use the partitioning software you're comforatble with first.
[01:45] <black_nightmare> ian..so true
[01:45] <kbrooks> -exec command ;
[01:45] <kbrooks>               Execute  command;  true  if  0 status is returned.  All following arguments to find are taken to be
[01:45] <kbrooks>               arguments to the command until an argument consisting of `;' is encountered.  The  string  `{}'  is
[01:45] <kbrooks>               replaced by the current file name
[01:45] <^NightHawk^> Flonne, are u a ubuntu devel?
[01:45] <Flonne> Bicchi, Ubuntu does have a partitioner, but it doesn't resize things.
[01:45] <lunitik> ian: enless they want to ship every test release too  :/
[01:45] <kbrooks> @ black_nightmare
[01:45] <ian> lunitik: you can complain, just not rightfully.  hence most people will tell you STFU :)
[01:45] <Bicchi> flonne: i see
[01:46] <black_nightmare> kbrooks...oh duh ty
[01:46] <Flonne> ^NightHawk^, no. I'm just some guy who writes docs.
[01:46] <black_nightmare> yeah I see now.. 'man' I forgot that one
[01:46] <kbrooks> black_nightmare, read and understand the man pages
[01:46] <Flonne> A dev who uses Gentoo... Funny thought, that. ^^
[01:46] <kbrooks> {} \;
[01:46] <lunitik> ian: a net install would be about 5 mb of download initially... and I'd never have to download another CD (enless we change installer) ...
[01:46] <kbrooks> escape the ;
[01:46] <black_nightmare> umm how do I quit the damn 'man' thing???
[01:46] <Arnia> lunitik: Have a CD shipped and you'd never need to download another CD :p
[01:46] <kbrooks> q
[01:46] <black_nightmare> 'esc' then 'q' doesn't work
[01:46] <black_nightmare> DOH
[01:46] <Arnia> Wonders of apt and dist-upgrade
[01:47] <black_nightmare> jeeze.. 'vim' uses esc first
[01:47] <black_nightmare> I have a lot to learn
[01:47] <^NightHawk^> Flonne, ;) good work... maybe this is one of the more important things in development
[01:47] <lunitik> Arnia: wrong... that installer installs warty...
[01:47] <kbrooks> black_nightmare, heh.
[01:47] <Flonne> ^NightHawk^, I sure hope so. Desktop Linux needs to become a reality.
[01:47] <apokryphos> lunitik: how is he wrong, then?
[01:47] <lunitik> Arnia: stop arguing... you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.
[01:47] <apokryphos> lunitik: you can apt to hoary, obviously.
[01:48] <lunitik> apokryphos: ugh... not you too... not the point dude
[01:48] <kbrooks> lunitik, pm?
[01:48] <ch_> lunitik: regarding fglrx, I need hoary, not warty, no??
[01:49] <Xira> right
[01:49] <lunitik> apokryphos: apt-get dist-upgrading from warty leaves python issues... such things are the reason net install discs would be nice.
[01:49] <synd> uhhh
[01:49] <kbrooks> lunitik, pm me please!
[01:49] <Arnia> I installed Warty then I began tracking Hoary. I will start tracking Breezy soon. Don't need to download another CD
[01:49] <lunitik> ch_: I'm using hoary, and see them... I thought it was in warty though  :/
[01:49] <synd> grrr
[01:49] <lunitik> kbrooks: why?
[01:49] <kbrooks> wtf is Breezy?
[01:49] <apokryphos> lunitik: What python issues? I haven't seen any apart from dependency problems (which are *genuine* problems, i.e. not down to the upgrade).
[01:49] <caffinated> kbrooks: the name of the release that will come after hoary
[01:50] <kbrooks> lunitik, very well. whats the point
[01:50] <lunitik> apokryphos: the ones due to python going from 2.3 to 2.4
[01:50] <Arnia> I develop Zope 3 stuff, so I'm sure I would have noticed python problems :)
[01:50] <robl^> how are ya feeling?
[01:50] <kbrooks> the point that you are trying to make
[01:50] <synd> my wireless connection was just working and all of a sudden just dropped off? a reboot fixed it.. but what was the cause of the drop off?
[01:50] <robl^> hrmm wrong window, darn it!
[01:50] <lunitik> apokryphos: thats exactly what issues I am talking about  :/
[01:50] <fissy> wireless connections just break
[01:50] <kbrooks> there
[01:51] <lunitik> kbrooks: I just said "I wish Ubuntu had a net install CD"... and now everyone is flaming me  :/
[01:51] <kbrooks> erased those evil *.old files
[01:51] <synd> fissy: yeah, but it never did with windows :p
[01:51] <apokryphos> lunitik: However, in theory these shouldn't occur (and it is in theory that it matters); an apt upgrade from stable -> stable should be fully supported
[01:51] <invalid|ubuntu> what does "release candidate" mean?
[01:51] <black_nightmare> lunitik..for starters.. heavy server bandwidth in short time makes it a bit of useless idea [as in a free os anyhow] 
[01:51] <kbrooks> lunitik, well, ubuntu is based upon debian
[01:51] <dominik> is there an easy way to install beagle on ubuntu?
[01:51] <Flonne> invalid|ubuntu, it means it's a potential release, but there might still be last-minute bugs to fix. Test and report everything.
[01:51] <invalid|ubuntu> ok
[01:51] <invalid|ubuntu> thanks
[01:51] <ch_> how to upgrade to hoary? change my source.list to hoary, and apt-get upgrage?? Is apt-install dist-upgrade needed?
[01:52] <Arnia> dominik: Not at the moment. Beagle needs Mono 1.1.4 or higher
[01:52] <apokryphos> ch_: that's exactly it.
[01:52] <kbrooks> ch_, WAIT
[01:52] <Arnia> dominik: Its expected to be fixed in Breezy
[01:52] <lunitik> kbrooks: indeed... I have used the sarge net inst discs recently for Kubuntu...
[01:52] <kbrooks> apokryphos, look carefully
[01:52] <kbrooks> apokryphos, he is wrong.....
[01:52] <apokryphos> kbrooks: apt-get update :P
[01:52] <apokryphos> and no apt-get upgrade is necessary
[01:52] <lunitik> kbrooks: however.. it still doesn't include everything that is in a release... and I must clean up a lot of things...
[01:53] <apokryphos> ch_: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/guidetohoary
[01:53] <kbrooks> find is handy
[01:53] <kbrooks> ;)
[01:53] <black_nightmare> kbrooks...seem like it for sure :p
[01:53] <dominik> Arnia: ok, than i'll wait ;-)
[01:53] <asdfasdfasdf> is there a list of changes between array cd7 and the RC anywhere?
[01:53] <black_nightmare> going see what hd space I can reclaim with being rid of *.old files
[01:53] <synd> UGH i didnt know there was a wiki guide to hoary
[01:53] <synd> damnit
[01:54] <apokryphos> synd: the wiki has *lots* of things; very useful. :)
[01:54] <kbrooks> erasing backup files
[01:54] <kbrooks> :P
[01:54] <kbrooks> heh. j/k
[01:54] <black_nightmare> kbrooks..everything works fine anyhow
[01:54] <black_nightmare> :p
[01:55] <libben> Ive recall that ive saw an awsome login theme... that was from a field and yellow/orange/brown was the mood colors in it... anyone knows what i speak of?
[01:56] <ch_> apokryphos, thanks
[01:56] <Insom> tnx u beutifull people.. see u next time... good night
[01:58] <libben> Ive recall that ive saw an awsome login theme... that was from a field and yellow/orange/brown was the mood colors in it... anyone knows what i speak of?
[01:59] <shizoor> How do I get a telnet server running on Ubuntu?
[01:59] <bob2> ew
[01:59] <bob2> why?
[02:00] <black_nightmare> bob2..mud or something else :p
[02:00] <ian> shizoor: ssh server out of your budget? :)
[02:00] <black_nightmare> shizoor..just open terminal and type 'telnet'
[02:00] <black_nightmare> then to exit it umm I think it was either 'exit' or 'quit'
[02:00] <shizoor> ok
[02:00] <bob2> black_nightmare: that's a client
[02:00] <shizoor> thought so :)
[02:00] <bob2> shizoor: what are you trying to do?
[02:00] <black_nightmare> telnet isn't hybrid?  huh.....
[02:01] <davix> ok, I've installed a new hardisk, I partitioned it as linux and i updated my /etc/fstab, but when i try to mount it i get mount: /dev/hdb already mounted or /home/davix/znt busy... why is that?
[02:01] <black_nightmare> jeeze...there must be something missing compared to my windows experience...lol nevermind
[02:01] <shizoor> have ubuntu box running here, wanted to get the telnet server running, trying something now.
[02:01] <ian> shizoor: why not use 'ssh' instead?
[02:01] <bob2> shizoor: why a telnet server?  why not ssh?
[02:02] <libben> no one has seen the fantastic login picture from a field,... it was beautiful and mention in a forum post that was written as an article... i cant just find it anymore =(
[02:02] <Servo888> How would I see where dpgk -i xxxxxx.deb installs all the files?
[02:03] <ian> shizoor: ssh works the same ("ssh hostnamehere"), but it's encrypted and supports compression and strong authentication
[02:03] <bob2> Servo888: dpkg -L blah
[02:03] <arrummzen_> Does ubuntu support systems with no IDE hard drives (having only SCSI drives)?
[02:03] <bob2> where blah is the name of the package
[02:03] <bob2> arrummzen_: yes
[02:03] <osity> hey all
[02:03] <LLM> im relatively new to linux, and even newer to ubuntu, how would i go about setting up a cluster computer
[02:03] <bob2> arrummzen_: assuming it's bootable by your bios
[02:03] <bob2> LLM: you need to define your aim better
[02:03] <LLM> beowulf and all that stuff
[02:04] <osity> what would cause a debootstrap error
[02:04] <osity> i get it during install...
[02:04] <bob2> davix: sure you actually want to mount the device theree and not a partition?
[02:04] <black_nightmare> bob2...eh I'm still trying to figure if I can use my symbios pci card or not (seeing how it was causing strange device troubles in 98se that I never used the card there)
[02:04] <LLM> bob2: i want to have a beowulf configuration
[02:04] <arrummzen_> I am being told by the Ubuntu installer that It can't find any partinalble drives...
[02:04] <osity> bob2 ...any idea what cause debootstrap error
[02:04] <revelater> argh!! i installed and configured my fglrx drivers and i only doubled my fps, can anyone help?
[02:04] <bob2> arrummzen_: does linux support your scsi card?
[02:04] <davix> bob2, I need it to become a part of my homedir, since it's the biggest, or a part of the whole /home dir
[02:05] <arrummzen_> bob2, It worked with Fedora Core 2...
[02:05] <bob2> revelater: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:05] <LLM> does ubunti come with the kind of software ill need to create a cluster
[02:05] <bob2> revelater: make sure you did all that
[02:05] <HrdwrBoB> LLM: you have no idea what you're doing do you
[02:05] <bob2> LLM: you can't keep saying "cluster" when you mean "beowulf cluster"
[02:05] <bob2> LLM: but it's not something someone who knows little about linux can setup
[02:05] <bob2> LLM: what do you hope to do with it?
[02:05] <LLM> not really, ive read a few articles and i have a basic idea of what it is
[02:05] <bob2> arrummzen_: ok, odd.  hoary or warty?
[02:05] <bob2> osity: on an ubuntu cd?
[02:06] <LLM> distubuted computing mostly
[02:06] <bob2> davix: yes, but you're mounting it wrong
[02:06] <LLM> like SETI
[02:06] <bob2> LLM: you're a scientist?
[02:06] <arrummzen_> I am on hoary preview.
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> LLM: most people know what it is
[02:06] <LLM> no
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> LLM: you don't need a cluster for seti
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> LLM: you run seti on all the computers
[02:06] <bob2> arrummzen_: try the RC candidate
[02:06] <bob2> LLM: just run seti on each machine
[02:06] <bob2> er, s/candidate//
[02:06] <davix> bob2, how should i do it then?
[02:06] <LLM> that was just an example
[02:06] <bob2> 10:04:07           bob2 | davix: sure you actually want to mount the device theree and not a partition?
[02:06] <arrummzen_> bob2, I believe I have the lateste CD...
[02:06] <bob2> davix: read what you pasted, you want hdb1 not hdb (I assume)
[02:07] <davix> bob2, oh. i want it's partition, not the device... got it
[02:07] <bob2> arrummzen_: ok, weird.  please follow up to the post about RC on ubuntu-users, I guess
[02:07] <black_nightmare> any of you know what seti would be named as for apt-get?
[02:07] <Levander> Can somebody tell me if php5 is available in hoary?
[02:07] <arrummzen_> bob2, I am going to insstall a IDE drive and see if that helps.
[02:07] <LLM> and id like bragging rights :) i have some experience with linux, and i have no problem following instructions, as long as theyre detailed, so if you know any sites with articles on this, thatd help
[02:07] <Levander> just do a "apt-cache search php5" if u got hoary installed?
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> LLM: it's nontrivial
[02:08] <black_nightmare> funny time to bring it up I know but... I've been trying for like 2 days to no luck
[02:08] <davix> bob2, now i'm getting this msg mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1,       missing codepage or other error       In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try       dmesg | tail  or so
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> LLM: the design of a cluster is heavily dependant upon the task you want it to do
[02:08] <bob2> black_nightmare: it's not in ubuntu
[02:08] <LLM> i also plan on migrating my webserver to it as well
[02:09] <bob2> black_nightmare: might be in multiverse, I guess
[02:09] <bob2> Levander: no, it's not
[02:09] <bob2> arrummzen_: ok
[02:09] <black_nightmare> oh hmmm... *sigh* ....
[02:09] <bob2> arrummzen_: it certainly should work, tho
[02:09] <Levander> fuck, i wonder why? it's wierd it's not in backports either
[02:09] <black_nightmare> what was seti's site again?  I may as well as see if it even will compile at all here
[02:09] <Levander> php5 has been out for awhile...
[02:09] <bob2> Levander: it's a massive pain in the arse to package properly
[02:09] <bob2> and the php upstream make a lot of mistakes
[02:10] <fissy> novell have just made a nice virtualisation and clustering software pack, I think the tech preview is available on their site free
[02:10] <Levander> bob2: yeah, that's why i was hoping ubuntu would do it for me!
[02:10] <bob2> davix: done the obvious?
[02:10] <davix> bob2, i'm a noob, the obvious for me is to install windows :)
[02:10] <osity> bob2 : yes an ubuntu install
[02:10] <LLM> lol
[02:11] <Levander> anybody know the easiest way to install php5 on ubuntu warty or hoary?
[02:11] <revelater> so i have to reboot the whole system then, not just the xserver?
[02:11] <bob2> Levander: packaes from dotdeb.org, I guess
[02:12] <fissy> admit you don't really need php5 and use php4 ;-)
[02:12] <bob2> revelater: don't know
[02:12] <revelater> ...
[02:12] <Levander> fissy: haha, i'm about to write a new app and want the object oriented features in php5
[02:12] <revelater> i will try it then...
[02:12] <bob2> davix: got the filesystem type right?  sure you got the right partition?
[02:12] <dominik> will there be a bootsplash or something to make the boot process of (k)ubuntu more appealing for the user?
[02:12] <Levander> fissy: i'm a java programmer and structured design irritates me
[02:12] <davix> how do i set the fs bob?
[02:12] <osity> bob2 i keep getting it during install
[02:12] <bob2> dominik: usplash, eventually, not in hoary
[02:12] <fissy> Levander, tomcat would seem like the natural choice then
[02:12] <bob2> osity: sure the cd is ok?
[02:13] <osity> I can reburn it....
[02:13] <bob2> davix: what should be on it?
[02:13] <bob2> osity: check the md5sum
[02:13] <Levander> fissy: nah, this is something quick and simple, don't need the framework or memory consumption java provides
[02:13] <davix> regular data, music, documents etc', bob2.
[02:13] <mjr> btw, will oo.o2 have the java stuff disabled on hoary or does (part of) it work with the free java thingies?
[02:13] <Levander> should only take a week to write
[02:13] <fissy> mono? ;-)
[02:14] <bob2> davix: I mean, what filesystem
[02:14] <davix> bob2, ext3
[02:14] <osity> bob2: what it the md5sum?
[02:14] <Dr_Aevil> black_nightmare: you won't need to compile seti as it's not available as source afaik - it's not free software - it's distributed in a binary only variant I beleive
[02:14] <bob2> osity: go to menu and select the verify disk option or whatever
[02:15] <bob2> davix: mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 /home/whatever
[02:15] <bob2> davix: does that work?
[02:15] <osity> where is the menu
[02:15] <black_nightmare> dr_aevil..I'm sure the last time I saw their site (forgot where bookmark is now) they had a linux link
[02:15] <black_nightmare> either that means compiling or...who knows what?
[02:15] <shizoor> okay, got ssh running now.  How do I go about installing BitchX
[02:15] <davix> bob2, same error msg. how do i 'format' the partition?
[02:15] <skreet> Anyone have a clue why my volume control keys on my ps/2 keyboard arn't working?
[02:15] <Dr_Aevil> black_nightmare: having linux binaries is not the same as compiling....who knows what == binaries...
[02:15] <fissy> did you see http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22204&highlight=php5 Levander
[02:15] <bob2> shizoor: same as installing any other package
[02:15] <johnnybezak> what file extensions do latex doc's have?
[02:15] <Arnia> dominik: In Breezy there will be a userspace bootsplash known as usplash
[02:15] <Levander> fissy: looking now
[02:15] <bob2> shizoor: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[02:15] <bob2> johnnybezak: usually .tex
[02:16] <shizoor> okay, thanks!
[02:16] <mjr> johnnybezak, tex or ltx are used
[02:16] <bob2> osity: boot with the expert option, I guess
[02:16] <revelater> still no noticable improvement
[02:16] <Dr_Aevil> black_nightmare: they certainly have linux binaries available for different architectures but if you're wondering why it's not in ubuntu's main repositories or debians it's because of the license.
[02:16] <bob2> revelater: maybe you're overestimating your card
[02:16] <bob2> revelater: what type is it?
[02:16] <shizoor> bob2: Wow, thanks man!  apt-get was driving me nuts.
[02:17] <revelater> ati radeon 9800 pro... it cann't be overestimated
[02:17] <black_nightmare> dr_aevil..hm would it be just a single download then running it?  or is it more complicated
[02:17] <shizoor> probably be back later - yours the n00b.
[02:17] <apokryphos> bob2: Hm, had this problem for quite some time: any idea why Ubuntu would not play sound through all my speakers (only two)?
[02:17] <apokryphos> bob2: While, on other Distributions it has
[02:17] <Dr_Aevil> black_nightmare: why don't you look on their site, it takes 3 seconds :P running seti is as challenging as downloading the .tar, untarring it and then running the file
[02:18] <bob2> apokryphos: sblive?
[02:18] <black_nightmare> dr_aevil...this is quite a bit of slow cpu so I don't use browser that much..prefer to try go to direct pages then just quit
[02:18] <kbrooks> :P
[02:18] <davix> bob2, how do i format a partition to become ext3? i used to remember how to do it mk somthing
[02:18] <kbrooks> :P
[02:18] <kbrooks> ......not
[02:18] <bob2> davix: oh, you haven't set the disk up yet?
[02:18] <oXeN> can you install from the kubuntu live cd?
[02:18] <davix> nope bob2
[02:18] <apokryphos> bob2: sorry? One second, I'll get you link to the forum thread.
[02:18] <bob2> davix: mkfs -t blah /dev/hdb1
[02:19] <bob2> davix: blah = ext3 or whatever
[02:19] <bob2> davix: assuming you have partitioned it
[02:19] <bob2> apokryphos: are you using a sblive?
[02:19] <bob2> osity: no
[02:19] <Dr_Aevil> black_nightmare: what's your CPU arch?
[02:20] <kp_> hmm
[02:20] <libben> no one has seen the fantastic login picture from a field,... it was beautiful and mention in a forum post that was written as an article... i cant just find it anymore =(
[02:20] <smouche> Can someone help with this: sudo'd into kubuntu User Manager, tried to add a user, and I get this:
[02:20] <black_nightmare> 300Amhz slot1  -- and also only 128MB of ram
[02:20] <libben> damit =) like 4th time ive spammed that =)
[02:20] <apokryphos> bob2: not entirely sure what that is. 5 speaker system; got a 5.1 sound card. Link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=14758
[02:20] <smouche> "Cannot create home folder for c: it is null or empty."
[02:20] <libben> anyone must know what i mean
[02:20] <black_nightmare> so even opening 'terminal' seem to quite take some time
[02:20] <johnnybezak> does anyone know a cli tool to change html to pdf?
[02:21] <smouche> (c being the name of the user) -- this happens with everything I try.
[02:21] <bob2> smouche: sounds like a bug, try #kubuntu
[02:21] <davix> bob2, i think i've ruined everything
[02:21] <Levander> fissy: yeah, looks like dotdeb is my best chance, it not making it into hoary is a big deal though, gotta go with dotdeb for me though, october for the next ubuntu release is way to long to wait
[02:21] <smouche> I entered a home folder in the field provided, still get that message
[02:21] <mjr> johnnybezak, hmh, I'd probably try html2ps with ps2pdf or pstopdf
[02:21] <johnnybezak> smouche: just use useradd
[02:21] <invictus> why does the size the buttons in the windowlist vary so much from time to time? sometimes a single item may take up to 2/3's of my windowlist and other times it only use 1/6 of the space
[02:21] <bob2> libben: try asking on the list mayub
[02:21] <johnnybezak> mjr: thnx
[02:21] <Levander> what's kubuntu? keep hearing that name
[02:21] <bob2> johnnybezak: html2ps, then pstopdf
[02:21] <Dr_Aevil> black_nightmare: ftp://alien.ssl.berkeley.edu/pub/setiathome-3.08.i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar <-- wget that
[02:22] <davix> bob2, i've mounted hdb1 as /home and now it blocked my desktop and everything i've put in my dir.
[02:22] <bob2> Levander: ubuntu with kde, kubuntu.org
[02:22] <johnnybezak> kde ubuntu beleieve it or not :)
[02:22] <bob2> davix: er, of course
[02:22] <bob2> davix: sudo umount /home/
[02:22] <bob2> davix: that will unmount the "new" home
[02:22] <Levander> bob2: they do a very good job? it's as good as GNOME on regular ubuntu? or they got more work to do?
[02:22] <smouche> thanks, johnnybezak -- I'll try that.
[02:22] <davix> it sais device is busy bob2
[02:22] <bob2> invictus: they should scale to fit lots in
[02:22] <davix> heh, i'm such a noob it kills me
[02:22] <bob2> davix: you may need to log out
[02:22] <davix> i will
[02:22] <johnnybezak> smouche: sometimes the cli is the easiest way
[02:22] <bob2> Levander: not sure, I don't much like kde to begin with
[02:22] <syamajala> anyone know how to boot the ubuntu iso through grub?
[02:22] <davix> but explain to me what will i need to do after i will log out
[02:22] <black_nightmare> aevil do I need to sudo that or not? (in normal terminal)
[02:23] <davix> bob2,
[02:23] <bob2> Levander: they seem to have a lot of fans already tho
[02:23] <syamajala> i have it stored on my hd
[02:23] <bob2> davix: hrm
[02:23] <syamajala> and don't wanna burn it
[02:23] <libben> bob2, well... I WANT IT NOW... cant wait =) to hot for it
[02:23] <Dr_Aevil> black_nightmare: nope - just type "wget ftp://alien.ssl.berkeley.edu/pub/setiathome-3.08.i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar"
[02:23] <kp_> hmm
[02:23] <Levander> bob2: i hope a project springs up like that when enlightenment finally releases dr17, i loved dr16 when it was still fairly recent
[02:23] <syamajala> i've booted isos from grub before i just don't remember how
[02:23] <invictus> bob2; but sometimes the scale is all wrong
[02:23] <kp_> i will say this, ubuntu is nice
[02:23] <bob2> libben: but no one seems to know ...
[02:23] <kp_> and it installs faster than gentoo :)
[02:23] <bob2> Levander: hah
[02:24] <Levander> hah?
[02:24] <bob2> invictus: that would be a bug, I'd think
[02:24] <black_nightmare> where did it go now aevil? :p  I don't see it on desktop lol
[02:24] <smouche> true, johnnnybezak, problem is us newbies don't know all the commands; but you're right-- I should expect linux guis to be buggy by now and read read read the docs... thanks
[02:24] <ColdPack> what doesn't install faster than Gentoo? :)
[02:24] <Dr_Aevil> black_nightmare: if your CPU is that speed then gnome 2.10 must really crawl! you should probably take a look at a lightweight alternative designed for low speed systems - such as blackbox, fluxbox, icewm and more
[02:24] <bob2> Levander: e17 releasing ;)
[02:24] <syamajala> anyone know how to boot the ubuntu iso through grub?
[02:24] <bob2> smouche: please do report that bug
[02:24] <bob2> syamajala: no need to ask o ver and over
[02:24] <Levander> yeah, well, they did at one time release dr16, history could repeat itself? or u know some inside information?
[02:24] <davix> bob2, i've manged to umount without logging out.
[02:24] <bob2> davix: oh, cool
[02:24] <davix> what will be my steps now?
[02:24] <syamajala> bob2, sry
[02:24] <black_nightmare> LOL aevil..its okay (just a bit low on ram sometimes..my fault for only 128MB in there) :p
[02:24] <smouche> I will bob2
[02:24] <ColdPack> can't you just have your PC boot up to CD first?
[02:24] <ColdPack> rather than from the HD?
[02:25] <bob2> Levander: raster seems to be having too much fun to actually release ;)
[02:25] <black_nightmare> I'm still unsure about my budget toward a itx system yet or not so.....we'll have to see
[02:25] <mls> I installed Ubuntu with the 2.6 kernel and it works great.  Now I've been told that I need a system with a 2.4 kernel for compiling certain packages.  Is there a way for me to add a 2.4 kernel and make a new boot option for it?
[02:25] <black_nightmare> so... aevil where did wget download to??? :p
[02:25] <davix> bob2, where do i go from here?
[02:25] <smouche> (tho' the bug might be my ineptitude -- or rather, in-apt-itude... ;)
[02:25] <Levander> bob2: no doubt, they'll prolly have thousands of users before they just figure, well, maybe it'll be easier just to release something and call it public
[02:25] <ColdPack> sure... download, install, compile it... add it to the grub menu :)
[02:25] <Dr_Aevil> black_nightmare: whichever dir you ran the command from
[02:25] <black_nightmare> oh ic... hmm where do I locate /home/ubuntuboy now?
[02:25] <black_nightmare> nevermind the user name LOL
[02:26] <black_nightmare> :p
[02:26] <ColdPack> just being funny... I don't know if Ubuntu has a 2.4 kernel available via synaptic
[02:26] <black_nightmare> ok..moveed to desktop now
[02:26] <ColdPack> where do I go about getting mpg123 or mpg321 so I can listen to live mp3 streams with gstreamer?
[02:26] <Levander> bob2: u know raster, or know somebody who knows him who says raster's not interested in releasing? or u just saying?
[02:26] <bob2> davix: partition it with "cfdisk /dev/hdb" (will DESTROY ALL DATA ON hdb), then make a filesystem with "mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hdb1" (WILL DESTROY ALL DATA AGAIN)
[02:26] <Dr_Aevil> black_nightmare: seriously, I find gnome a bit slow with a p4 3.2ghz and 1.5gb of ram :) I've installed it on some slower PCs and I will prob switch them away
[02:26] <bob2> Levander: not really, just watching how they work
[02:27] <Dr_Aevil> black_nightmare: well, if you tar -xvf the file it'll make the setiathome dir
[02:27] <davix> bob2, then it's supposed to co-exist with hda1?
[02:27] <Levander> yeah, well, if they ever do release, that's gonna be a great environment, i like gnome okay, it's very functional, i just think it lacks the visual appeal the enlightenment guys care so much about
[02:28] <black_nightmare> umm aevil.... where does that make the setihome dir or is it the same place the tar is untared at?
[02:28] <reki> is there a package that installs all the gdesklets? I installed the server(i think its a server) but like 9/10 desklets "are not installed"??
[02:28] <ColdPack> enlightenment is kinda sloppy for my use... prefer blackbox or WindowMaker if I'm looking for streamlined window manager
[02:28] <Dr_Aevil> Levander: moves are afoot to fix the deficiencies in the visual appeal side of gnome..have you seen the luminoscity videos?
[02:28] <Dr_Aevil> black_nightmare: yup
[02:28] <Levander> nah, i'll check them out.  You spelled luminoscity right for my searches?
[02:29] <HrdwrBoB> luminocity
[02:29] <ColdPack> or openbox
[02:29] <HrdwrBoB> I beleive
[02:29] <dave42345> s/sc/c/
[02:29] <Levander> apparently, it's luminosity, google knew how to spell it
[02:29] <ColdPack> google knows all
[02:29] <ColdPack> :)
[02:29] <black_nightmare> hmm how do I make my terminal go to '/' now?
[02:29] <ColdPack> type "cd /
[02:30] <ColdPack> cd /
[02:30] <Dr_Aevil> Levander: http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xshots
[02:30] <dave42345> no, the WM is spelt with a 'c'. It's kinda of a take-off of metacity :)
[02:30] <black_nightmare> ah...doh ty
[02:30] <Dr_Aevil> 'tis the potential successor to metacity
[02:30] <black_nightmare> hmm so where shall I put the seti folder.....hmmmmmmmmm
[02:30] <ColdPack> in your home folder
[02:30] <revelater> help intalling an rpm?
[02:30] <FR500> hi
[02:30] <ColdPack> so
[02:30] <dave42345> revelater: what rpm? isn't there a deb equivalent?
[02:31] <FR500> is there anything related to hibernation in the menu.lst file? i edited it with grubconf and now i can't hibernate
[02:31] <ColdPack> anyone know how to go about getting the mpg123 or mpg321 debs so I can actually listen to mpeg streams?
[02:31] <revelater> im not sure, turbo print
[02:31] <Dr_Aevil> black_nightmare: where ever you want - though the home dir is the most usual choice
[02:31] <caffinated> revelater: sudo alien myPackage.rpm then sudo dpkg -i myPackage.deb
[02:31] <derek> how do you skip a step during bootup?
[02:31] <black_nightmare> coldpack it says I don't have permission to move to the home folder.... :|
[02:31] <FR500> ColdPack, apt-get install mpg123
[02:31] <ColdPack> what?
[02:31] <FR500> derek, ctrl-c
[02:31] <ColdPack> I did but there isn't one in the Ubuntu repositories it seems
[02:31] <FR500> ColdPack, type that in a console as fakeroot
[02:31] <FR500> oh
[02:32] <FR500> ColdPack, hoary?
[02:32] <ColdPack> yes hoary
[02:32] <derek> FR500: ctrl-c doesn't seem to work
[02:32] <reki> is there a package that installs all the gdesklets? I installed the server(i think its a server) but like 9/10 desklets "are not installed"??
[02:32] <FR500> humm
[02:32] <johnnybezak> is OOo 2 in hoary?
[02:32] <dave42345> derek: which step?
[02:32] <FR500> derek, works for me
[02:32] <ColdPack> I could add a debian proper repository
[02:32] <ColdPack> but I don't want to :)
[02:32] <derek> dave42345: loading ndisdriver
[02:32] <FR500> ColdPack, the repositories are disabled by default
[02:32] <derek> what is wild is worked fine in the past
[02:32] <ColdPack> ah
[02:32] <ColdPack> I'll take a looksee then
[02:32] <ColdPack> thanks FR500
[02:32] <derek> i think the problem is i went office and reconfigured wlan0
[02:32] <FR500> np
[02:33] <FR500> now my question someone plz
[02:33] <derek> now that im back home it probably doesnt like things
[02:33] <black_nightmare> so any of you have any idea how to move a file to a root-locked folder? ('home' that is)
[02:33] <ColdPack> the hibernate thingy?
[02:33] <FR500> is there anything related to hibernation in the menu.lst file? i edited it with grubconf and now i can't hibernate
[02:33] <ColdPack> hmm
[02:33] <dave42345> derek: weird... what does it (not) do?
[02:33] <derek> i rebooted will try crl-c
[02:33] <Dr_Aevil> black_nightmare: erm?
[02:33] <derek> yeah now ctrl-c worked
[02:33] <Dr_Aevil> black_nightmare: where is the dir now?
[02:33] <dave42345> yay
[02:33] <ColdPack> why do you want to hibernate your PC as a boot option?
[02:33] <derek> dave42345: basically it gives a message about configuring nsdis and just hangs
[02:34] <derek> this time i hit ctrl-c as soon as it attempted to configure network card and all is well
[02:34] <derek> wlan is finicky on GNU/Linux in general
[02:34] <black_nightmare> the seti tar file is on desktop ---- and I have 'home' folder opened now as well.....want to move it :|
[02:34] <ColdPack> wlan has been trouble for me all the while
[02:34] <ColdPack> went back to hardwired for now
[02:34] <Dr_Aevil> black_nightmare: did you not untar the file? and want to move the dir rather than the file?
[02:34] <FR500> ColdPack, it's not a boot option the thing is that it screwed after i messed up with menu.lst
[02:34] <ColdPack> that's odd
[02:34] <ColdPack> hmm
[02:35] <dave42345> derek: was wlan0 looking for a dhcp server perhaps?
[02:35] <Dr_Aevil> black_nightmare: to be clear when we say home dir we mean *your* home dir, e.g. /home/<your user name>
[02:35] <derek> ah fsck
[02:35] <ColdPack> what did you change in grub?
[02:35] <derek> now the wlan isnt an interface
[02:35] <FR500> used gruboncf, so it overwrites it all
[02:35] <ColdPack> ick
[02:35] <ColdPack> ok
[02:35] <ColdPack> hmm
[02:35] <derek> so it wasnt an issue trying to find network it was actually freaking on loadng the module
[02:35] <derek> grrr
[02:35] <black_nightmare> aevil...yeah I'm already at / > home > folder here
[02:35] <ColdPack> (I edit it by hand usually)
[02:35] <ColdPack> hmm
[02:35] <black_nightmare> or was I supposed to put seti *inside* the home folder?
[02:35] <Arnia> I really shouldn't doodle when bored... I just invented a 'logo' for canonical for no good reason
[02:35] <FR500> ColdPack, does hibernatio work for u?
[02:35] <ColdPack> yeah
[02:36] <derek> trying one more time before i give up and use hard wire
[02:36] <FR500> hmmm
[02:36] <raveneye> hi, how on earth do i unrar a file that is passworded?
[02:36] <FR500> i don't wanna reinstall ;(
[02:36] <ColdPack> no don't do that
[02:36] <bob2> davix: erm?
[02:36] <ColdPack> I'm sure there's a simple solution... I'm just not the one with the answer at the moment'
[02:36] <derek> is there equiv of report-bug for ubuntu
[02:36] <bob2> davix: I think you probably need to explain your situation in a whole lot more detail
[02:36] <ColdPack> I"m thinking about it though
[02:36] <ColdPack> not that that helps :(
[02:36] <Arnia> If anyone wants to laugh -- http://www.dur.ac.uk/j.r.c.geldart/canonical-background.png :p
[02:36] <derek> *Configuring network interfaces....
[02:36] <davix> bob2, never mind, i think i got it settled, thanks :)
[02:37] <derek> and it just sits and hangs (grrrrr)
[02:37] <bob2> davix: ok
[02:37] <FR500> ColdPack, the thing is that it's somehow a "media center" and 2 minutes bootup for a tv is beyond unaceptable
[02:37] <ColdPack> yep
[02:37] <ColdPack> that's a long time
[02:37] <derek> is there a way to get more information about what it is freaking on
[02:37] <ColdPack> I wait that long for UT2004 to get cranking sometimes,,, and that sets me off sometimes
[02:37] <Xira> HI... Ubuntu was the only distro I've tried that hasn't detected my printer automatically.. how can I get it to work?
[02:37] <MaRk-I> anyone know why I cant connect to anything even tho my eth0 its detected and has an ip??
[02:37] <derek> okay now it is saying
[02:37] <robl^> I used to have a TV that took 2 minutes to boot up.. but that was just heat up the tubes..  :)
[02:38] <derek> loadndisdriver: loadndisdriver: main(462): version 1.0rc2 started
[02:38] <derek> and it just hangs
[02:38] <FR500> ColdPack, yah but tv should be instantly on
[02:38] <Dr_Aevil> black_nightmare: really not sure what you mean? of course put it inside your home dir, isn't that what you've been trying to do?
[02:38] <dave42345> derek: are you on warty or hoary?
[02:38] <ColdPack> sorry FR500 I gotsta run... if I think of something, I'll pop back in and get a hold of ya and see what happens. K?
[02:38] <FR500> well, i'll reinstall on a separte partition and see what can i do
[02:38] <FR500> ok
[02:39] <meff> when pkgs in universe have security issues, do they get updated?
[02:39] <Xira> HI... Ubuntu was the only distro I've tried that hasn't detected my printer automatically.. how can I get it to work?
[02:40] <MaRk-I> what a headache.... ok anyone know how to "uninstall" ubuntu and getting my old settings back safely??
[02:41] <FR500> downgrading is complicated
[02:41] <FR500> very
[02:41] <dave42345> Xira: for a start, wait more than 2 minutes for someone to answer ;)
[02:41] <Xira> heh. it's sorta urgent, sorry.
[02:42] <dneighbo> seems i was just being impatient
[02:42] <Lemonzest> how is the amd64 build for 32bit compatabuilty
[02:42] <Lemonzest> are the libs installed by default now?
[02:42] <Lemonzest> and is openoffice 2.0 anywhere?
[02:42] <raveneye> Xira, its not in CUPS?
[02:42] <dneighbo> it is weird that it takes like 3 minutes to load that driver
[02:42] <Xira> raveneye, how do i check
[02:43] <meff> hahaha
[02:43] <meff> oo2.0? what do you expect of the pkgers dude
[02:45] <raveneye> Xira, Im in kde now, guess youre in gnome
[02:45] <Xira> yeah..
[02:45] <Xira> i have kubuntu-desktop installed tho.. if its really neccessary
[02:45] <raveneye> and im trying to remember how to get there
[02:45] <meff> http://localhost:631 shows the cups ctrl panel if its enabled..
[02:45] <Lemonzest> meff: of course i meant the beta
[02:46] <Lemonzest> and is there a deb of quake 3 anywhere?
[02:46] <Lemonzest> last time i tryed intalling it on amd64 is complained about libc and something else
[02:46] <MFen> has anyone noticed that hoary's update manager says your system is up-to-date even when it's not?
[02:46] <Lemonzest> yup
[02:47] <MFen> i guess someone's fixing that
[02:47] <meff> Lemonzest: you cant really expect them to pkg the beta so quickly, or at all..
[02:47] <raveneye> meff, if the root account is not enabled, iirc, you cant add a new printer
[02:47] <MFen> like the new desktop
[02:48] <meff> raveneye: ahh
[02:48] <meff> raveneye: im on debian now so *shrug* .. lookin around in the ubuntu waters for a bit
[02:48] <raveneye> ;-)
[02:49] <raveneye> xira, System > Administration > Printing
[02:50] <geneo93> meff:  unless your using unstable your not close to ubuntu
[02:50] <meff> geneo93: yes, i run sid.
[02:50] <Ratmann> Hello all
[02:50] <reki> is there a package with all the gdesklets in it?
[02:50] <meff> geneo93: have for 4+ years :)
[02:50] <Ratmann> Argh, can anyone read what type?
[02:50] <Ratmann> XD
[02:51] <Xira> raveneye, I got it, it just didnt autodetect correctly, fortunetly the exact model was listed and now its printing myhomework. :D
[02:51] <Flonne> Yes, Ratmann.
[02:51] <geneo93> i didn't see kde 3.4 in there repos
[02:51] <Ratmann> Oh
[02:51] <Ratmann> lol
[02:51] <Ratmann> I got a little question with a problem
[02:51] <Ratmann> lol
[02:51] <raveneye> Xira, lucky you
[02:51] <Ratmann> Soo i started using Ubuntu, and linux  :P, this week
[02:51] <raveneye> ive got one i cant use...
[02:51] <Ratmann> And i'm trying to get the main software i use running on Ubuntu
[02:51] <Flonne> Indeed. I remember you from yesterday.
[02:51] <Ratmann> http://www.softimage.com/products/xsi/v42/SysReqs/Linux.htm
[02:52] <Ratmann> Those are the requierments i need right now
[02:52] <Ratmann> A friend told me it can run
[02:52] <arrummzen_> Does Ubuntu have a default root password or does it ask for one during the install?
[02:52] <Ratmann> Though when i tried to install it i ran across a few errors, it might be that i don't have some of those rpms and stuff
[02:52] <HrdwrBoB> arrummzen_: no and no
[02:52] <mjr> arrummzen_, root isn't enabled, sudo is to be used by default
[02:52] <geneo93> arrummzen_:  you can do sudo passwd root
[02:53] <Flonne> Ratmann, if you have a license and the software, you can try an RPM management tool called "alien".
[02:53] <Xira> raveneye, ive had this hp deskjet 722c... ill never get rid of it, most reliable printer ive ever had
[02:53] <Xira> for 8 years
[02:53] <meff> Ratmann: look into a app called 'alien' it might help if its only in rpm
[02:53] <MaRk-I> mjr: how come when I click configure button in networking tools it asks me for root pass??
[02:53] <arrummzen_> What do you mean? How do I become root?
[02:53] <Flonne> I think all of its requirements are satisfied by Ubuntu's base system.
[02:53] <Ratmann> I should just google "alien linux" ?
[02:53] <Xira> arrummzen_, sudo -s
[02:53] <meff> Ratmann: i betcha its in ubuntu.. not sure though.
[02:54] <Flonne> arrummzen_, try "sudo passwd root" if you really need root access, though sudo suffices for almost everything.
[02:54] <Ratmann> Yah i got a license of the software, though using the 30 day demo right now
[02:54] <arrummzen_> Why would you do that?
[02:54] <arrummzen_> Why would you make su not work?
[02:54] <Flonne> arrummzen_, the sudo password is the same as the password you used when creating your user.
[02:54] <mjr> MaRk-I, you mean in network-admin? If so, that's a bug, report it.
[02:54] <Flonne> arrummzen_, it's a security thing. Giving the average user full root is stupid.
[02:54] <geneo93> arrummzen_:  i just told you how to make it work
[02:54] <Flonne> They might run it 24/7.
[02:55] <treke> arrummzen_: sudo has advantages in terms of logging and priviledge restriction
[02:55] <Flonne> Ratmann, look it up on the Wiki.
[02:55] <skreet> Is it possible to make a both Ubuntu and Kubuntu system where I can freely use both without any major issues?
[02:55] <Ratmann> The Wiki?
[02:55] <treke> skreet: yes.
[02:55] <arrummzen_> ok.
[02:55] <caffinated> skreet: just install kde base
[02:55] <geneo93> skreet:  yes i do
[02:56] <skreet> treke, Just apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[02:56] <MaRk-I> mjr: it does and no matter what I type tells me it's the wrong password, another thing I hate if I change the host in the eth0 settings or leave it blank alot of stuff wont work ...
[02:56] <treke> skreet: just install kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu or ubuntu-desktop on kubuntu
[02:56] <Flonne> Ratmann, www.ubuntulinux.org -- click the "Wiki" link.
[02:56] <Ratmann> OH
[02:56] <raveneye> now, how on earth do i unrar a file that is passworded?
[02:56] <skreet> Cool, which display manager will it use by default
[02:56] <Flonne> It's filled with lots of howtos; I'm sure Alien is in there.
[02:56] <skreet> erm, rather which LOGIN manager.
[02:56] <bogus> what's kubuntu? :\
[02:56] <Ratmann> Checking
[02:56] <caffinated> skreet: gnome, but you can change that on login
[02:56] <skreet> bogus, KDE version of Ubuntu.
[02:56] <Flonne> bogus, it's a KDE-based Ubuntu.
[02:56] <bogus> ah k :)
[02:56] <skreet> caffinated, I'd prefer GDM anyway :D Thanks.
[02:56] <skreet> Thanks everyone.
[02:56] <caffinated> skreet: well, it won't replace GDM anyway
[02:56] <geneo93> skreet:  which ever is installed first
[02:56] <Ratmann> You get the password
[02:56] <treke> it'd probably use whichever login manager was installed first
[02:56] <Ratmann> lol
[02:57] <Ratmann> Or use some sort of application thatt tries all the passwords randomly and finds it
[02:57] <Ratmann> lo
[02:57] <bogus> true true
[02:57] <Flonne> -comma
[02:57] <treke> dpkg-reconfigure kdm probably handle choosing which you get
[02:57] <arrummzen_> How do I put an Ubuntu system into text mode (no X server), I tried init 3...
[02:57] <caffinated> Flonne: i agree.  it's an excellent way to watch your system slow to a crawl ;)
[02:57] <bogus> lol caffinated
[02:57] <Flonne> It's also an excellent way to convert Windows users, caffinated. =P
[02:57] <geneo93> telinit 3
[02:58] <Flonne> Yes, it's far too bloated for my tastes.
[02:58] <caffinated> Flonne: gnome can already do an excellent job of that
[02:58] <bogus> gnome is more ex-windows userfriendly then kde I think :P
[02:58] <caffinated> and it looks better
[02:58] <Flonne> Ubuntu's Gnome can, but I've been converting them for years.
[02:58] <Flonne> Ubuntu's Gnome is beatiful.
[02:58] <Flonne> +u
[02:58] <caffinated> Flonne: it's my experience that most windows users don't stay converted anyway
[02:58] <arrummzen_> geneo93, Nothing is happening...
[02:59] <geneo93> caffinated:  why dont you guys start a channel for kde vs gnome
[02:59] <bogus> << mainly windows user :))
[02:59] <bogus> but in the conversion process ;)
[02:59] <caffinated> geneo93: at some point you should think about adjusting your attitude.
[02:59] <Flonne> << Hasn't touched Windows in three years.
[02:59] <bogus> laptop is converted, now my desktop :)
[02:59] <caffinated> geneo93: friendly debate is not an argument.
[03:00] <geneo93> caffinated:  i just so sick of ppl saying gnome is better kde is better
[03:00] <caffinated> geneo93: so don't watch :)
[03:00] <black_nightmare> any of you know how to make all files writeable (now they seem to be read-only) in a folder?
[03:00] <bogus> euh nobody said that :o
[03:00] <geneo93> think of of the waty i do its not M$
[03:00] <Arnia> Arguments aren't a bad thing... if people don't argue, they never actually confront their presumptions. I believe healthy arguments are good for progress
[03:01] <bogus> I agree :)
[03:01] <caffinated> geneo93: terms like 'M$' don't really go a long way to support opensource.
[03:01] <arrummzen_> Will someone tell me how to put Ubuntu into text mode?
[03:01] <josue> text mode?
[03:01] <fissy> arguing on a treadmill?
[03:01] <treke> for me there are only two things are really missing. 1) a good text editor and 2) reliable app support files on non local file systems
[03:01] <caffinated> if anything, that kind of slang detracts from it
[03:01] <Arnia> I always argue my beliefs to myself when I can... I expect others to do the same
[03:01] <black_nightmare> treke you don't like Text Editor and Evolution? :p
[03:01] <bogus> for me there's 1 thing missing: mIRC
[03:01] <bogus> :>
[03:01] <arrummzen_> How can I turn of xorg?
[03:01] <geneo93> ok then kde 3.4 is great
[03:01] <treke> black_nightmare: I like evolution :)
[03:01] <caffinated> bogus: did you give xchat a shot?
[03:02] <bogus> yes I did ofcourse :)
[03:02] <fissy> telnet irc.freenode.org 6667
[03:02] <caffinated> it's not quite mirc, but it's fairly friendly
[03:02] <fissy> :D
[03:02] <kingsoz> helloooo
[03:02] <kingsoz> anybody know what this means....
[03:02] <bogus> xchat is not great managing 40 chans
[03:02] <kingsoz> [fglrx:firegl_unlock]  *ERROR* Process 6948 using kernel context 0
[03:02] <Flonne> Please don't mention that program. :(
[03:02] <bogus> and it doesn't have the nify UI features mIRC has :)
[03:02] <caffinated> bogus: neither is mirc ;)
[03:02] <revelater> hey, gzine just quits a little while after going to fullscreen mode, why would it do that?
[03:02] <kingsoz> i can't get my ATI Radeon 9700 Pro to work
[03:02] <Flonne> Where did you see that, kingsoz?
[03:02] <caffinated> in fact, managing 40 channels in any irc client is going to be a pain
[03:02] <black_nightmare> anyone?
[03:03] <kingsoz> i typed in dmesg | grep fglrx
[03:03] <bogus> no caffinated ;)
[03:03] <bogus> in mIRC they're al on 1 bar
[03:03] <caffinated> bogus: i can't fathom a need to be in 40 channels at once, either heh
[03:03] <bogus> in xchat it's a *GRBMBHGEGE* scrollbar :o
[03:03] <Arnia> Most IRC networks won't allow you to be in 40 channels at once
[03:03] <Flonne> bogus, move the bar to the left.
[03:03] <bogus> << 6 IRC networks :+
[03:04] <Arnia> ...
[03:04] <bogus> :D
[03:04] <meff> use irssi
[03:04] <caffinated> i mean, 40 channels is near impossible to track even with a different kind of channel bar
[03:04] <fissy> find better things to do with your time :|
[03:04] <bogus> irssi is fairly ok, I'm using it :)
[03:04] <Flonne> I'm on twelve, Arnia, though I use one irssi window for every two.
[03:04] <caffinated> unless you have 5 heads and 10 eyes or something
[03:04] <treke> hehe once I hit 40 channels I start considering that my usage of irc might be at fault and not my client :)
[03:04] <bogus> hahaha treke :D
[03:05] <fissy> MaRk-I, does it time out?
[03:05] <lewwy> hey guys, I have quake3 installed on my linux computer.  However upon running it, it changes the resolution, puts me in a black screen, that i can scroll around and still see the desktop.  any suggestions?
[03:05] <revelater> hey guys, gxine unexpectedly quits when i go fullscreen anyone else have this problem?
[03:05] <MaRk-I> fissy: doesnt do anything just receives 1kbs when I check the network GUI
[03:06] <bogus> lewwy> your sound doesn't work :)
[03:06] <bogus> some prob here ;)
[03:06] <lewwy> u sure?
[03:06] <bogus> didn't have the time to fix it though
[03:06] <lewwy> bogus: how would i fix this?
[03:06] <raveneye> revelater, happened to me sometime ago
[03:06] <bogus> there's a q3a linux faq somewhere
[03:06] <bogus> but I'm off to bed
[03:06] <revelater> raveneye: you fix it?
[03:06] <bogus> nn :)
[03:06] <lewwy> cmon bogus
[03:06] <lewwy> i need hellllp
[03:07] <lewwy> i've been like this for daysw
[03:07] <fissy> when you ping a random dns name, say example.org, how long does it take to find the ip address MaRk-I
[03:07] <raveneye> revelater, i went hoary. problem fixed themselves magically, no idea
[03:07] <bogus> http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/q3a/#nosound
[03:07] <lewwy> thx
[03:08] <MaRk-I> fissy: not long the ping responses are like 3.ms(or ns sorry forgot)
[03:08] <revelater> raveneye: argh!!! everytime i try to upgrade my distro i screw up my computer
[03:08] <fissy> should be about 100 ms for google
[03:08] <MaRk-I> fissy: oops sorry wrong answer , doesnt take long
[03:08] <lewwy> wow it works
[03:08] <lewwy> thanks bogus for pointing us in the right direction
[03:08] <bogus> np :)
[03:08] <kpeterson> I know how to set up extra mouse buttons to work in various programs, but in gnome is there any way to make them change workplaces?
[03:09] <revelater> raveneye: funny though, it worked the first time i used it, but by the second time it just closed...
[03:09] <bogus> now I'm off ;)
[03:09] <lewwy> k
[03:09] <lewwy> have a good sleep bogus
[03:09] <bogus> *waves*
[03:09] <bogus> thx ;)
[03:09] <raveneye> revelater, shouldnt be a problem, unless you have pkgs not native tu ubuntu
[03:09] <revelater> raveneye: about half of them... lol
[03:10] <revelater> raveneye: the most important half no less
[03:10] <jacatone> can I ask some newbie questions about this distro?
[03:10] <fissy> ok, if you're brave, try connecting to googles webserver using telnet. at the shell, enter the command "telnet google.com 80" without quotes. When you see "Escape character is '^] '." enter "GET / HTTP/1.0" without the quotes and then press enter twice
[03:10] <revelater> NO
[03:10] <pepsi> join #kubuntu
[03:10] <pepsi> er
[03:10] <Riddell> pepsi: good plan :)
[03:11] <MaRk-I> dang I'll have to reboot I'm on MDK right now
[03:11] <EvilSporkMan> so let me get this straight...ubuntu is like debian but with active development and  less guarantee of stability?
[03:11] <revelater> jacatone: i am just kidding, ask away, someone is sure to help you
[03:12] <fissy> hmm MaRk-I, are you using dhcp?
[03:12] <mammoth> hola
[03:12] <MaRk-I> fissy: yup
[03:12] <revelater> que tal?
[03:12] <jacatone> Is it easy to install or am I likely to have problems?
[03:12] <mjr> EvilSporkMan, no
[03:12] <raveneye> now, how on earth do i unrar a file that is passworded? gezz this is pissing me off...
[03:12] <revelater> very easy to install, for me anyways
[03:12] <MaRk-I> fissy: tried everything sudo dhclient eth0, sudo ifdown eth0, sudo ifup eth0.. bla bla bla... nothing
[03:13] <fissy> when you do ifconfig, do you get the information you want?
[03:13] <mjr> EvilSporkMan, debian has active development; ubuntu simply does supported releases more often (and with some extras), though ubuntu does not support as many architectures nor as many packages as debian (the universe repository is basically unsupported, but mostly works)
[03:13] <jacatone> Is it easy to install programs. Seem like every linux distro has a different way to install programs.
[03:13] <fissy> point and click jacatone
[03:13] <revelater> jacatone, i have tried debian and had some problems with my graphics card and monitor, however this distro handles them the best so far
[03:14] <verden01> if i want to add the universe repository do i just tick the box in synaptic with universe in it?
[03:14] <EvilSporkMan> mjr: what is supposed to be the advantage of a real "release"? I'm not clear.
[03:14] <caffinated> raveneye: the 'unrar' command has a switch to feed in a password.
[03:14] <drbombay43> Well yellow too all, I have finally made it
[03:14] <mjr> EvilSporkMan, stability and support
[03:14] <raveneye> tried that caffinated
[03:14] <caffinated> raveneye: it's worth noting that there are more than one version of unrar.  a free one, and a non-free one.
[03:14] <revelater> jacatone, programs install like debian with apt-get or a graphical package search like synaptic, very simple and easy to use and upgrade
[03:15] <EvilSporkMan> mjr: hmm...but isn't ubuntu updated in between releases just like debian and gentoo? (not so sure about mandrake et. al.)
[03:15] <caffinated> raveneye: if you're using the 'unrar' package, try using the 'unrar-nonfee' package
[03:15] <treke> EvilSporkMan: it's updated like debian is
[03:15] <caffinated> i've had better success with it
[03:15] <treke> if there is a critical bug then the bug is fixed
[03:15] <jacatone> Great, I'll definetly give a try then. Thanks.
[03:15] <treke> things aren't updated just for the fun of it
[03:15] <kbrooks> i need apt to be VERY verbose
[03:15] <EvilSporkMan> so the advantage is that i'm only six months of hacks away from a stable version at any given time, as opposed to a year
[03:16] <EvilSporkMan> or more ;)
[03:16] <revelater> jacatone, no prob
[03:16] <treke> in the debian case 2 or 3 years
[03:17] <Arnia> Plus each release cycle is synchronised to Gnome's release cycle so you're always up to speed with the desktop environment
[03:17] <EvilSporkMan> whereas with gentoo, stability has been thrown out the window? (I used to use gentoo, switched to debian, was pleased at the lack of a decrease in system performance)
[03:17] <Arnia> Which is handy
[03:17] <raveneye> caffinated, all i get is  UNRAR 3.40 freeware      Copyright (c) 1993-2004 Alexander Roshal
[03:17] <raveneye> Cannot open <file>
[03:17] <revelater> hey, i am stil getting low fps here though... and i have tried everything with fglrx
[03:17] <delltony> anyone know how to get transcode to work in hoary?
[03:17] <libben> for the peeps that wonders what ive ment when bitching about a gdm theme.... http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=18178
[03:17] <treke> EvilSporkMan: to an extent, yes
[03:17] <caffinated> raveneye: yeah, try unrar-nonfree
[03:17] <lewwy> hey dudes
[03:17] <EvilSporkMan> Arnia: who wastes resources on a desktop environment?
[03:17] <EvilSporkMan> =P
[03:17] <raveneye> ill give a shot to nonfree
[03:17] <lewwy> right now im on software GL, how would i switch to hardware accelrated GL?
[03:17] <Arnia> I don't consider it a waste
[03:18] <treke> With an update system like redhat's, debian's or ubuntu's, you can predict when things are going to change noticably and plan for it
[03:19] <EvilSporkMan> well, it doesn't sound like switching from Debian could HURT...it would really be nice to see "why ubuntu" and "why not ubuntu" sections on the website
[03:19] <treke> I thought the first page summed up why ubuntu pretty darn well :)
[03:20] <drbombay43> I find all of this interesting since i'm currently downloading both hoary and warty
[03:20] <caffinated> treke: i completely agree.  the best points of ubuntu are right on the front page.
[03:20] <Arnia> Why ubuntu? Ease of use, usability, slick and coherent setup. Why not ubuntu? Its heavily based on a desktop usage scenario and is optimised for that case
[03:20] <EvilSporkMan> so basically ubuntu is trying to put out a better product than debian, and since I intend to get involved with either debian or ubuntu, my machine is going to be "nonstandard" anyway...looks like I better start backing up ;)
[03:20] <Arnia> Yay for RC time
[03:21] <treke> Arnia: to be fair, I don't see that arguement against ubuntu too much
[03:21] <caffinated> EvilSporkMan: i think ubuntu is trying to put out a better desktop alternative than everything.
[03:21] <Arnia> treke: No, but its in the interest of disclosure.
[03:21] <revelater> its a 'little' slow
[03:21] <caffinated> it's really not meant for server stuff.
[03:21] <revelater> compared to debian
[03:21] <caffinated> it's meant to help people make a transition
[03:21] <caffinated> it's not really a debian vs ubuntu thing
[03:22] <EvilSporkMan> ubuntu vs. mandrake>
[03:22] <Arnia> caffinated: Plus it doesn't get in my way... which means I don't have to think about anything but what I'm working on
[03:22] <revelater> ubuntu defiant winner
[03:22] <treke> if ubuntu continues it's current course, I don't really ever see a reason to actually use debian ;0
[03:22] <EvilSporkMan> revelater: of course
[03:22] <EvilSporkMan> revelater: i meant it
[03:22] <EvilSporkMan> 's trying to compete with mandrake (apologies for habitual use of enter key)
[03:22] <caffinated> Arnia: exactly.  it's not quite perfect, but it's getting better all the time, and if the hardware is supported, it's beautiful.
[03:23] <kingsoz> hey there anybody know how to get Direct Rendering to be enabled?
[03:23] <EvilSporkMan> kingsoz: google debian direct rendering...ought to work the same across distros
[03:23] <revelater> EvilSporkMan, i did not know that...
[03:23] <EvilSporkMan> revelater: well, i meant is it
[03:23] <revelater> EvilSporkMan, once word gets out mandarke will have a run for its money
[03:23] <EvilSporkMan> I was attempting to clarify what caffinated was saying for myself
[03:23] <Arnia> caffinated: Nothing is perfect... but its great to see an OS that takes a holistic approach from kernel to desktop
[03:24] <EvilSporkMan> how's the amd64 support?
[03:24] <Arnia> caffinated: Its lovely to have a system using freedesktop.org and Project Utopia research
[03:24] <Arnia> caffinated: Shows why such collaboration is important
[03:24] <revelater> although... i am stilll getting crappy fps on my GC
[03:24] <gbhat> I need help with Sound in Hoary
[03:24] <caffinated> Arnia: i've been using windows for a long time now.  twice a year i try a linux alternative.  it has always ended with me ditching it out of frustration.  this distro promises to keep me using it.
[03:25] <gbhat> got a via8237 card with cmedia mixer
[03:25] <gbhat> onboard
[03:25] <caffinated> Arnia: before i was of a mind that the only place linux belonged was on a server.
[03:25] <gbhat> cant get a peep out of it
[03:25] <EvilSporkMan> gbhat: got the volume up?
[03:25] <treke> The big draw for me with ubuntu is the release cycle
[03:26] <revelater> gbhat try unmuting everything in the control panel
[03:26] <gbhat> umm...where is the control panel?
[03:26] <treke> I have 12 months after a new release is out to worry about migrating
[03:26] <arrummzen_> How do I use apt-get to install sshd?
[03:26] <Arnia> caffinated: As long as Ubuntu doesn't stagnate, it will go far
[03:26] <kingsoz> i run glxinfo and it says DRI = No
[03:26] <gbhat> I right clicked on the volume control buttin
[03:26] <EvilSporkMan> arrummzen_: I think the package is ssh
[03:26] <gbhat> button
[03:26] <kingsoz> how do i enable it in ubuntu?
[03:26] <Arnia> I'm enjoying tracking release development. Tracking Hoary was marvelous
[03:26] <EvilSporkMan> kingsoz: know how to do it in any other distro?
[03:27] <kingsoz> nope
[03:27] <caffinated> Arnia: i think there is a good possiblity that this is what begins to snag people.  gnome is just so damn sexy out of the box ;)  I'm sure that'll catch many.
[03:27] <gbhat> it shows me C-Media Electronics OSS Mixer and VIA 8237 ALSA mixer
[03:27] <treke> with debian I  just got sick of maintaining backports constantly
[03:27] <revelater> gbhat, unmute everything in the Via tab
[03:27] <gbhat> kingsoz, apt-get nvidia-glx
[03:28] <gbhat> revelater, everything is unmuted there
[03:28] <revelater> gbhat, and make sure you have your speakers plugged in and turned on ;)
[03:28] <EvilSporkMan> treke: isn't there some gargantuan backports project for ubuntu underway? I met some ubuntu guys at a robotics competition lately...they were also talking about bringing gentoo packages in
[03:28] <caffinated> Arnia: my only beef with it, is it needs a few more things in order to meet most people's general needs.  the big ones that come to mind are the nonfree codecs which can't ship with it.  somehow, that needs to be addressed in a simpler manner.
[03:28] <gbhat> hehe, yeah they are , work in SOlaris10, MDK10.1 and SKYOS Beta8.4
[03:28] <arrummzen_> Thanks
[03:28] <treke> EvilSporkMan: I don't know anything about that
[03:28] <Arnia> caffinated: I'm looking forward to the 2.12 release cycle. Especially with GTk 2.8
[03:28] <revelater> gbhat, are you sure, did you scroll left (there are a lot of options)
[03:28] <paulproteus> caffinated, Arnald: What's this about freedesktop.org and some University research?
[03:29] <Arnia> caffinated: They are available from other repositories...
[03:29] <gbhat> GNOME2.10 and KDE3.4 with drop shadows and fading are gorgeous
[03:29] <gbhat> yes revelater
[03:29] <caffinated> Arnia: right, but new users won't understand this
[03:29] <EvilSporkMan> caffinated: how about a wizard?
[03:29] <caffinated> EvilSporkMan: that's a good idea
[03:29] <Arnia> paulproteus: Project Utopia
[03:29] <gbhat> then only thing not working on this ubuntu box now is sound :(
[03:29] <Arnia> paulproteus: http://freedesktop.org
[03:29] <paulproteus> Arnia: /me googles
[03:29] <EvilSporkMan> caffinated: leave an icon on the desktop post-install, "install multimedia libraries"
[03:30] <Arnia> Project Utopia is about making Linux on the desktop Just Work... and work better than OSX
[03:30] <caffinated> EvilSporkMan: i think that would be the perfect approach.  or even have something that asks the first time you run totem
[03:30] <EvilSporkMan> caffinated: hell, i'd write it, but i don't even have ubuntu installed yet
[03:30] <revelater> gbhat... and you have the volume turned up on your speakers? do you have a set of headphones plugged in somewhere?
[03:30] <gbhat> you cannot get away from problems distributing Java, Flash, codecs, DVD etc
[03:30] <Dr_Aevil> caffinated: trouble is, they believe in free software - and those things aren't free software - in some jurisdictions, the way it's going - making it "easy" to get them could expose you to liability - these things are being tested in the U.S. courts right now
[03:30] <gbhat> nope revelater
[03:30] <Xira> EvilSporkMan, Link?
[03:30] <Xira> Er
[03:30] <Xira> Arnia, link?
[03:30] <revelater> gbhat... then it should be working.
[03:30] <gbhat> revelater, it aint :(
[03:30] <caffinated> Dr_Aevil: i understand this, but without those options available in an easy-to-use manner, ubuntu will not convert people.
[03:31] <gbhat> revelater, I even disabled system sounds
[03:31] <lewwy> hey, i have an onboard AC97 sound on my nvidia MB, how do i get it working?
[03:31] <revelater> gbhat, did you blow your speakers?
[03:31] <terry97> gbhat: have you increased the pcm gain that usually works for me
[03:31] <EvilSporkMan> caffinated, Dr_Aevil: step-by-step directions complete with screenshots
[03:31] <gbhat> lewwy, welcome to the group. mine dont work either :)
[03:31] <gbhat> revelater, they work when I boot into a different distro
[03:31] <caffinated> Dr_Aevil: the next best thing would be to say "here's a program to install X, Y and Z if you need them.  we don't ship them because it's illegal for us to do it."
[03:31] <DonL> I never did get mine working, lewwy
[03:31] <gbhat> terry97, already did that
[03:31] <caffinated> but it has to be very obvious
[03:31] <Bicchi> i am now tring the ubuntu live cd but the screen resolution is 1024x768 when i had selected 1600x1200 during setup. can i change it?
[03:31] <Dr_Aevil> caffinated: then you reach an impass.  I'd personally prefer that they explain why they're not availalbe and convert people to the free software philosophy.
[03:31] <terry97> ok
[03:32] <gbhat> terry97, thanks for the tip though
[03:32] <terry97> np
[03:32] <EvilSporkMan> caffinated: pretty sure wgetting needed packages defeats the whole point of those licenses
[03:32] <caffinated> Dr_Aevil: most people don't care about free software though.  they just want their stuff to run.
[03:32] <Dr_Aevil> caffinated: but that's exactly my point - the way it's going, that might be make you an accessory to their infringement.
[03:32] <gbhat> eveyrthing is unmuted and levels are at max
[03:32] <EvilSporkMan> Dr_Aevil: can we do a wizard with directions for install? ^^;
[03:32] <lewwy> if i reinstall ALSA will that fix my problems?
[03:32] <revelater> gbhat: when you turn your speakers all the way up, do they make more static noise than when the computer is off and speakers are all the way up?
[03:32] <caffinated> EvilSporkMan: well, it's not ubuntu shipping anything though.  it's the user requesting said packages.
[03:32] <Dr_Aevil> caffinated: whether they care or not is not the issue, they can not care all they like - if they want to *understand* why it's not there then they will have to care enough to read a bit :)
[03:32] <caffinated> a bit of a grey area, i agree
[03:32] <gbhat> revelater, never checked for that
[03:33] <gbhat> but I swear these speakers are working
[03:33] <Dr_Aevil> EvilSporkMan: not sure yet, atm it's a bit risky, at least in the US
[03:33] <caffinated> Dr_Aevil: they won't want to understand either
[03:33] <EvilSporkMan> caffinated: pretty sure it's been done to death - debian makes you grab the java packages and then run a program over them
[03:33] <gbhat> just booted into Ubuntu about 10 mins ago,. Was in MDK10.1 where they were working
[03:33] <EvilSporkMan> Dr_Aevil: wait, now it's risky to provide directions for installing somebody's software? sheesh.
[03:33] <rinnan> anyone here know about installing kernels under Ubuntu?
[03:33] <revelater> gbhat, it will tell you if there is something wrong with the speakers (getting a signal or not)
[03:33] <Arnia> Xira: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/utopia-list/
[03:33] <Dr_Aevil> caffinated: as I say, "if they want", I completely acknowledge that most people dont' want to :)
[03:33] <caffinated> Dr_Aevil: it's kinda like web standards,  all good designers agree that people should comply to standards, and use a decent standards compliant browser.  but in reality, the only people who care about that are designers ;)
[03:33] <gbhat> revelater, if it is  any help, unchecking and cheking the main control in kmix creates a noise from the speaker
[03:34] <Dr_Aevil> EvilSporkMan: this is the debate going on atm :( sad isn't it?
[03:34] <Arnia> caffinated: Accessibility is the law in the UK
[03:34] <EvilSporkMan> Dr_Aevil: you're kidding
[03:34] <holycow> allrighty
[03:34] <Arnia> caffinated: And you can be sued to hell
[03:34] <Ironfrost> Arnia: but it's not enforced
[03:34] <caffinated> Arnia: so?  it's not in the rest of the world.
[03:34] <holycow> my first ubuntu workstation
[03:34] <Arnia> caffinated: But it matters to UK businesses
[03:34] <holycow> woot!
[03:34] <Ironfrost> I've never heard of anyone actually being punished
[03:34] <revelater> gbhat: alright are you sure that the kernel is USING the driver for your sound card?
[03:34] <caffinated> Arnia: right.  and the UK represents a very, very small percentage of the world.,
[03:34] <holycow> btw, i gotta tell ya, i love what you did with the startup scripts
[03:35] <rinnan> After installing a new kernel (which i must do to get support for my hardware) I get "attempting to kill init!  Kernel panic"
[03:35] <rinnan> anyone seen anything like this?
[03:35] <holycow> having the redhat like [ok]  is great
[03:35] <gbhat> revelater, how should I check that? lspci? lsmod?
[03:35] <Dr_Aevil> Arnia: I'm not sure, but isn't the DDA an implimentaion of a wider EU directive? hence it could even be the whole EU in one form or another
[03:35] <EvilSporkMan> mmkay...second plan. Make user find the installer. Provide magic "non-free software installer icon". User gets packages as the creator intended, drags package to "non-free software installer". Automatic install, license agreement displayed a la synaptic.
[03:35] <Arnia> Ironfrost: I'll find the cases when my partner (WCAG member) wakes up. There have been many cases settled out of court already. The RNIB is on the warpath
[03:35] <revelater> gbhat, not sure, i am new to linux but thats what it sounds like to me...
[03:35] <caffinated> anyhow, it might even be worthwhile to make a deal with the creators of divx/xvid to make a package available that installs easily in to ubuntu
[03:36] <gbhat> lsmod shows me that snd-via82xx  is loaded
[03:36] <caffinated> it doesn't have to be IN ubuntu, it just needs to be easy
[03:36] <caffinated> i mean, divx doesn't ship with windows either, but it's easy to put in.
[03:36] <Dr_Aevil> EvilSporkMan: nope sadly not - there are those who want mere instructions, mere "manuals" of how to obtain infringing material or that facilitate infringement to give way to liabilty for those that give them.  This is party the debate in the supreme court atm with the riaa and the p2p guys, - they provided the "means" to get at the copyrighted works, does that make them accessories to the acts of infringement committed by their users?
[03:36] <gbhat> Ubuntu needs something like PLF that MDK has
[03:36] <Arnia> caffinated: If it is the whole EU (and I do believe the EU is considering this legislation even if they don't have it already) then that's 480 million people. The UK deals with a huge quantity of financial services, all of which must comply. Its not that small
[03:36] <revelater> gbhat, it still doesn't mean that it is using it...
[03:37] <paulproteus> gbhat: PLD, right?
[03:37] <gbhat> PLF = Penguin Liberation Front
[03:37] <EvilSporkMan> Dr_Aevil: I think you're confusing the issue. It's not infringing to install the software on a linux system, it's just that the installer provided does not obey the filing idiosyncracies of each particular distribution
[03:37] <paulproteus> Ah.  I was thinking of the Polished Linux Distribution.
[03:37] <HrdwrBoB> dbrock: splitters
[03:37] <gbhat> they provide free and non free rpms
[03:37] <Arnia> caffinated: And the real kicker is... producing accessible sites is generally not that hard. CSS is lighter and easier to maintain than using tables
[03:37] <revelater> gbhat, i wish i could help, but it seems i cannt someone else will though i am sure, i have to go now though
[03:37] <Arnia> The rest is common sense
[03:37] <caffinated> Arnia: it was an example, not a request to start a debate over whether or not your site should have to conform to anything.
[03:37] <gbhat> thannks for the help revelater
[03:37] <lewwy> argh
[03:37] <paulproteus> If someone starts such a project, I can provide high-bandwidth hosting at JHU.
[03:38] <gbhat> okies so who can help me with sound in Hoary?
[03:38] <paulproteus> (For legal stuff, at least.)
[03:38] <caffinated> Arnia: and it's true.  most people don't care about web standards at all.
[03:38] <lewwy> is there something in my x config file i can put in to fix my sound problems?
[03:38] <gbhat> nope lewwy
[03:38] <Arnia> caffinated: No... but the point is that liability should be avoided under all circumstances.
[03:38] <EvilSporkMan> lewwy: sound shouldn't depend on X
[03:38] <lewwy> EvilSporkMan: how would i go about fixing my sound then?
[03:38] <gbhat> lewwy, right click on the volume control buttin and make sure all volumes are unmuted and MAX
[03:38] <caffinated> Arnia: no, the point is, it was an example to help illustrate the other point;  that most people don't care about technical issues.  they just want things to work.
[03:38] <LinuxJones> paulproteus, what is JHU ?
[03:38] <DonL> lewwy, I gave up and commandeered a SB Live card from my wife's computer. Worked right out of the box
[03:39] <EvilSporkMan> lewwy: google the name of the sound card and linux, i.e. linux <name of card>
[03:39] <Arnia> caffinated: Its simply foolish to open yourself up to liability claims (the data protection act being the most fun one since its the government who fines you, not the person who's data you mistreated)
[03:39] <gbhat> how did Ubuntu regress in sound between Warty and Hoary?
[03:39] <DonL> I've got Warty
[03:39] <Dr_Aevil> EvilSporkMan: I'm sorry, I don't think I follow that last point you made. Isn't the whole point of the software not being available that it *is* potentially an infringement to install/use it?
[03:39] <EvilSporkMan> lewwy: if it's supported, you ought to find lots of mailing list posts asking for help, and at least some of them getting help
[03:39] <caffinated> Arnia: i don't know how many times i have to say this.  it was an example .. to illustrate .. another .. point.
[03:39] <lewwy> EvilSporkMan: its a nforce onboard sound card
[03:39] <holycow> are you guys discussing support for various codecs that require licencing?
[03:40] <Arnia> Yes... and I am pointing out that the example shows how dangerous and fraught your original point was
[03:40] <paulproteus> LinuxJones: The Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland, USA.
[03:40] <EvilSporkMan> Dr_Aevil: well, the software I have in mind is Java, the canonical example of this sort of thing. I suspect I ought to look into w32codecs so I know what I'm talking about
[03:40] <caffinated> Arnia: not really
[03:40] <LinuxJones> paulproteus, ahh
[03:40] <DonL> How does Mepis get away with it I wonder
[03:40] <caffinated> Arnia: there is nothing illegal with getting the makers of divx to build an ubuntu-friendly installer for divx.
[03:41] <paulproteus> caffinated: "DIVX installer"?
[03:41] <Arnia> Everyone is very keen to be an enforcer suddenly... I really don't want to be caught in the cross-fire of liability claims
[03:41] <paulproteus> XINE comes with it.
[03:41] <paulproteus> As does mplayer.
[03:41] <paulproteus> Well, XviD at least.
[03:41] <rinnan> can anyone help me build a kernel?  And install it and run it on Ubuntu?  I know hwo to do it (on every other distro) but there aer differences in Ubuntu I can't figure out.
[03:41] <caffinated> paulproteus: right.  but ubuntu doesn't come with either because of it.
[03:41] <Arnia> Depends how MGM vs Grokster goes I guess
[03:41] <gratuit> caffinated: and I doubt it ever will
[03:41] <Arnia> I think Ubuntu are being sensible
[03:42] <Dr_Aevil> EvilSporkMan: well java is not per se such an enormous problem - it's not at all infringing to install it if you agree to their license (and to be clear the license that is not free-software compliant is the runtime environment rather than the language itself - this is why gcj is being made).  The thing about the likes of libdvdcss is that it potentially infringes (shudder) patents in the U.S.
[03:42] <DonL> My MPlayer which was working well before no longer does. I think it has to do with going to the new backports
[03:42] <cartel_> hey all
[03:42] <cartel_> is it possible to do a debootstrap install of kubuntu?
[03:42] <caffinated> gratuit: i agree.  which is why i'm saying you want to collaborate with certain businesses to get them to make friendly installers for things like divx and xvid so that they can go in to ubuntu easily and without pain
[03:43] <james> Ar3aMan
[03:43] <LinuxJones> caffinated, what's wrong with theora for video compression ?
[03:43] <calc> Arnia: being able to play mpeg4 videos doesn't assist copyright infringement
[03:43] <caffinated> they don't have to *ship* with it.  they just need to be available
[03:43] <caffinated> LinuxJones: the fact that it won't play back a divx movie?
[03:43] <Ironfrost> LinuxJones - no bugger uses it, that's what
[03:43] <LinuxJones> caffinated, lol
[03:44] <EvilSporkMan> Dr_Aevil: ok, just make ubuntu interoperable with the way libdvdcss installs itself (./configure && make && make install)
[03:44] <EvilSporkMan> Dr_Aevil: have a nice parental message about unsupported packages
[03:44] <LinuxJones> caffinated, compress your stuff using it and you won't need to worry about having to use divx
[03:44] <Arnia> calc: I must find out what the relevant legislation is here... I'm a little worried that they may claim that playing without licence is infringement
[03:44] <caffinated> LinuxJones: who says it's coming from me?
[03:44] <caffinated> LinuxJones: this is just the kind of convoluted thinking that turns people away from linux ;)
[03:44] <cartel_> yeah thats silly
[03:45] <LinuxJones> caffinated, eh ?
[03:45] <cartel_> thats why debian has non-us nonfree and contrib
[03:45] <gobeavs> I'm trying to install hoary-preview on a laptop, but it keeps failing to install initrd-tools, so it won't let me continue...any ideas?
[03:45] <calc> Arnia: oh well the fact that you are using a mpeg4 codec without a license probably is illegal, but not for the grokster reason
[03:45] <caffinated> cartel_: right.  but that's not enabled by default in ubuntu, and no newbie is going to figure it out.
[03:45] <jsgotangco> hello
[03:45] <caffinated> not without doing a lot of reading
[03:45] <revelater> just realized something, i need to find a way to turn off support for my second monitor
[03:46] <Arnia> calc: The grokster reference was more to systems allowing storage of infringeing content (i.e. computers)
[03:46] <Dr_Aevil> ok folks,there are 2 different issues here that are being talked over and I think they're confusing one another :)  1st - things with a non-free license, e.g. divx etc, there's nothing wrong at all with using them unless you violate the license which you must agree to - that license is non-free so it doesn't appear in ubuntu.  2nd - things that are intrinsically infringements of themselves, it's argued that things like libdvdcss is an infringement irrespective of 
[03:46] <caffinated> your typical scenereo is going to go something like: "this is really cool, but it doesn't play back my DVDs or DIVX movies, so i'm going back to windows"
[03:46] <calc> Arnia: ah
[03:46] <EvilSporkMan> Dr_Aevil: ok, to resolve issue 2 it's really simple
[03:46] <caffinated> it doesn't matter that we all know this is untrue - that there are ways to do it.
[03:47] <caffinated> what matters is that first impression.
[03:47] <lewwy> un...believable
[03:47] <lewwy> my sound works perfectly in ubuntu, and yet quake3 fails at sound init
[03:47] <gratuit> caffinated: a fresh install of windows does not play back dvds either, at least not last time I checked
[03:47] <DonL> You have sound?
[03:47] <EvilSporkMan> Dr_Aevil: no issue 2 items in ubuntu. Provide generic "install .ubuntu package" GUI. ubuntu packages for anything people want will become available.
[03:47] <LinuxJones> caffinated, does Windows provide divx codecs available for you to install ?
[03:47] <lewwy> DonL: yeh i have sound
[03:47] <DonL> haha
[03:47] <caffinated> gratuit: right, but i bet the PC shipped with powerdvd.
[03:47] <holycow> i don't see why ubuntu cannot offer 'commercial' packages.  if you want to play dvd's, buy a player that has the licenced codecs.
[03:47] <black_nightmare> any of you play freeciv? :">
[03:47] <caffinated> gratuit: and all they have to do is stick in that cd, and bam.  they're playing DVDs in under 2 minutes.
[03:47] <lewwy> and whats more, my stupid nForce drivers wont see my kernel source
[03:47] <subterrific> black_nightmare: i did for a while...awesome game
[03:47] <holycow> linspire i think infact has just this based on xine, for those that want to stay legit thats the way to go
[03:48] <Dr_Aevil> EvilSporkMan: I think resolving issue 1 is easier, because for issue 1 you can make your easy installers with nice click-through license agreements that say "agree to the divx license" etc, issue 2 is harder
[03:48] <subterrific> black_nightmare: i only ever played against the AI though. it was hard enough :)
[03:48] <EvilSporkMan> Dr_Aevil: yeah, so do that and do what i just said for issue 2 (sorry, i don't know what packages ubuntu uses)
[03:48] <revelater> anyone know how to temporarily turn off 2 screen support?
[03:48] <lewwy> guys, whats the defeault kernel hoary comes with
[03:48] <EvilSporkMan> i.e. a gui for dpkg or whatever the equivalent is
[03:48] <caffinated> gratuit: so, the argument is not "it should ship with the OS", it's "it should be made easily available to the OS"
[03:48] <black_nightmare> well..how about you and me subterrifc? :p
[03:48] <calc> Arnia: isn't grokster concerned with assisting with the transfer of content rather than the storage of said content?
[03:48] <subterrific> lewwy: 2.6.10 w/ patches
[03:49] <calc> hmm actually no it is more murky than that
[03:49] <calc> since they were using ipod references in it
[03:49] <lewwy> so if i get kernel sources i should be right for a nforce driver module compile?
[03:49] <subterrific> black_nightmare: i'm at work, about to leave for home
[03:49] <Dr_Aevil> EvilSporkMan: potentially though, with issue 2, if the supreme court comes down in their favour etc it won't be legal to provide any kind of access to them
[03:49] <black_nightmare> oh ic ok
[03:49] <DonL> I've still got ten cd's on order. Wonder if they'll be Warty or Hoary?
[03:49] <black_nightmare> oh well :p
[03:50] <subterrific> black_nightmare: maybe if you're still around when i get home
[03:50] <revelater> arghhh!!! help please?
[03:50] <EvilSporkMan> Dr_Aevil: at that level it's not us. Otherwise windows would have to refuse to run installers for illicit material, which it of course can't be made to do
[03:50] <lewwy> man this sux
[03:50] <subterrific> black_nightmare: i'll have to install it again, its been a while since i played
[03:50] <calc> its a question of things that can be used for infringing purposes, where is the line at which the entity is illegal itself
[03:50] <black_nightmare> subterrific..lol ok...we'll see :p
[03:50] <lewwy> i just wanna play quake 3 and it the stupid sound wont even work
[03:50] <lewwy> i hate to say it...but i never had anywhere NEAR this amount of problems in RedHat, SuSE or Fedora
[03:50] <DonL> I can't seem to get quake 3 working on Ubuntu for some reason.
[03:50] <EvilSporkMan> it's unfortunate to be in a situation where you actually have to worry about copyright
[03:50] <calc> it would be quite hard to argue a non insignificant reason for hard drives to exist is to assist in piracy
[03:50] <Dr_Aevil> EvilSporkMan: not really - there's a big difference between the windows world model and the linux notion of a distribution - windows isn't bundled with instructions telling you to go download tv series with bittorrent etc
[03:50] <holycow> calc, the line is defined by the current laws governing patents, copyrigts, etc.
[03:51] <MaRk-I> ggrr this is so frustrating...
[03:51] <holycow> its black and white
[03:51] <Dr_Aevil> EvilSporkMan: windows - the user has to go fetch - a linux distribution brings it all into the fold
[03:51] <revelater> help?
[03:51] <lewwy> what u need revelater?
[03:51] <MaRk-I> dmesg last line reads:  eth0 no IPv6 routers present.... could that be my problem not being able to connect???
[03:52] <EvilSporkMan> Dr_Aevil: that's why "ubuntu, inc." is not packaging infringing software. "Some schmuck" can distribute it, and we're not going to be the copyright gestapo and scan everything
[03:52] <lewwy> this nvidia driver better work...
[03:52] <revelater> lewwy, i need to know if i can temporarily diable support for my second monitor (tv)
[03:52] <holycow> EvilSporkMan, i agree with that
[03:52] <EvilSporkMan> Dr_Aevil: a package is directly analogous to a windows installer
[03:52] <revelater> lewwy, disable
[03:52] <Dr_Aevil> EvilSporkMan: yep totally agree with you - the issue that's debated at the moment is totally about how much information people can legally give to other people to allow them to find infringing material
[03:52] <fissy> is there anything I should know before I install a kernel manually from kernel.org?
[03:53] <black_nightmare> I think I found one occupied pregame server....we'll see thou :p
[03:53] <DonL> You're braver than me, fissy
[03:53] <caffinated> EvilSporkMan: i'd disagree with that.  big differences between a package in windows, and a package in linux.
[03:53] <Ironfrost> Dr_Aevil - Windows doesn't need to give any information to help people download music or movies
[03:53] <Ironfrost> they do it all by themselves
[03:53] <fissy> DonL, :)
[03:53] <moominski> is there any way to install Konqueror again?
[03:53] <caffinated> the biggest one being ease of installation
[03:53] <holycow> Dr_Aevil, the answer is: none
[03:53] <EvilSporkMan> caffinated: they're both easy. in windows, you just keep clicking until it installs
[03:54] <Dr_Aevil> holycow: someone best change the wiki then :P
[03:54] <holycow> just tell people: you haveto buy this for this reason
[03:54] <holycow> this is the price
[03:54] <caffinated> EvilSporkMan: right, but if a package isn't in your repositories, you have to use apt
[03:54] <holycow> and offer the player with the legal codecs
[03:54] <kbrooks> :O
[03:54] <caffinated> EvilSporkMan: that's what i mean :)
[03:54] <lewwy> ARGH
[03:54] <DonL> moominski, did you try sudo apt-get install konqueror?
[03:54] <lewwy> DAMN THE KERNEL SOURCES TO HELL
[03:54] <revelater> lewwy, you aske then leave?
[03:54] <holycow> theres no going around 'oh well you know, do this and get that and then you can 'wink wink' '
[03:54] <EvilSporkMan> caffinated: beg pardon? if i want something debian doesn't offer, i just get a .deb from some schmuck and run it through dpkg
[03:54] <moominski> yes
[03:54] <lewwy> revelater i asked a good 5 minutes ago
[03:54] <holycow> Dr_Aevil, lol indeed if the info is on there it should be off
[03:55] <holycow> if people want to find the free stuff they will
[03:55] <moominski> its ok its workin now
[03:55] <caffinated> EvilSporkMan: right, but that's not the point.  in windows you can run the installer from a nice interface.  in debian, you need dpkg and a commandline
[03:55] <revelater> lewwy, i may be lagging a bit
[03:55] <Dr_Aevil> holycow: there's a complete guide on how to alter your repositories to get the likes of libdvdcss etc
[03:55] <lewwy> soz revelater
[03:55] <holycow> for joe 6 pack, tell him it costs money, tell him why, and give him the option to buy.
[03:55] <lewwy> revelater: i probably am not much use either, a noob as well
[03:55] <revelater> lewwy, i just need to know if i can disable my second monitor
[03:55] <caffinated> EvilSporkMan: the difference is one is intrinsincly easier than the other.  it won't matter to you or i, but it will matter to others.
[03:55] <holycow> Dr_Aevil, ideally that should be moved off of ubuntu proper and onto some fansite
[03:55] <lewwy> revelater: no help there, soz
[03:55] <revelater> lewwy: temporarily
[03:56] <EvilSporkMan> caffinated: aren't you arguing that windows is fine on allowing installation of infringing software and packages aren't?
[03:56] <Dr_Aevil> holycow: but, in fairness, the issue is not fully resolved yet, plus they are in S.A
[03:56] <EvilSporkMan> caffinated: if that is the case, than we can effing write dpkg-gui
[03:56] <DonL> Dr_Aevil, can you say where that is? I found it once and lost it again
[03:56] <revelater> lewwy, know anyone who could help?
[03:56] <caffinated> EvilSporkMan: sure.  so why hasn't anyone? ;)
[03:56] <EvilSporkMan> caffinated: i'll get to it as soon as I switch to ubuntu
[03:56] <holycow> Dr_Aevil, sure, but why play the game at all? theres too much at stake
[03:57] <caffinated> EvilSporkMan: i'm thinking it would be good to relate the .deb type directly to synaptic in some manner.
[03:57] <gratuit> EvilSporkMan: inm fact someone already has, synaptic made it uber easy for me to install any kind of software I wanted
[03:57] <lewwy> package after package being installed via synaptic...
[03:57] <EvilSporkMan> the nice thing is that linux distros get treated like corporations...we have personal lives and we have official ubuntu work (by we I mean you, I am of course not officially involved with ubuntu)
[03:57] <caffinated> gratuit: but you can't install a .deb that you downloaded directly.
[03:57] <EvilSporkMan> gratuit: synaptic can install .debs? O_o
[03:57] <caffinated> not through synaptic, afaik
[03:57] <revelater> caffinated: thats a good idea, eliminate command line installs all together...
[03:58] <gratuit> oh, I didn't realize that was the question
[03:58] <caffinated> i mean, not to crap on synaptic or anything, it's awesome.
[03:58] <lewwy> man when i grow up
[03:58] <Dr_Aevil> holycow: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:58] <lewwy> and have kids
[03:58] <Dr_Aevil> DonL: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:58] <caffinated> EvilSporkMan: well, it is easy.  just not for others :)
[03:58] <DonL> Thanks Dr_Aevil
[03:58] <lewwy> im gonna chuck them on linux, and leave them
[03:58] <revelater> soooo, can onoeone help me?? is there now soul brave enough???
[03:58] <lewwy> obviously its the way to go but DAMN its hard
[03:59] <EvilSporkMan> lewwy: make 'em use FreeBSD
[03:59] <lewwy> why?
[03:59] <lewwy> is FreeBSD better?
[03:59] <EvilSporkMan> lewwy: it's harder
[03:59] <holycow> Dr_Aevil, *nod* thats not koshure imho
[03:59] <holycow> the thing about law is not whether or not its legal
[03:59] <lewwy> lol, i was considering switching  to FreeBSD a while back
[03:59] <holycow> its whether or not there is a threat of a legal action
[03:59] <holycow> what you DON'T want is for a lawyer to show up at your door
[04:00] <lewwy> spose it depends if the lawyer is a hot girl
[04:00] <caffinated> heh
[04:00] <holycow> never mind if your right or wrong, the moment they arrive, your fucked because you will be spending years fending that shit off
[04:00] <EvilSporkMan> corporations have historically been nice enough to send threatening letters first
[04:00] <EvilSporkMan> if they do that it's all over for them anyway
[04:00] <EvilSporkMan> you announce it, pull the stuff, and it's all over the warez scene no matter what you do
[04:00] <DonL> I have an admission.... I tried Mepis over the last couple of days...
[04:00] <holycow> justcompletely stay out of the way of lawyers and cops is very important
[04:00] <revelater> yah, hot lawyers are awsome!!!
[04:01] <Dr_Aevil> well, I think that page is probably ok in most of the world - the real issue is with the U.S. atm which has gone a bit crazy with it's anti-circumvention laws
[04:01] <revelater> hot cops are good too!!!!
[04:01] <lewwy> this is CRAZY
[04:01] <DonL> Came to the conclusion KDE makes it really slow, and the fonts in the browser are ugly, and not adjustable
[04:01] <lewwy> quake3 doesnt work NO MATTER WHAT THE HELL I DO
[04:01] <lewwy> apart from sound disabling
[04:01] <lewwy> but that sux, i want sound
[04:01] <smouche> is Gnome an acronym for
[04:01] <smouche> "Gui Not Offering Menu Editor" ?
[04:01] <Dr_Aevil> smouche: hehe
[04:01] <EvilSporkMan> it might be a good idea for distros to become non-profit corporations so you actually have the legal insulation you think you do
[04:01] <Gigs37> smouche, you already said that one
[04:01] <caffinated> lewwy: thanks.  but we're not causing your problem.  please don't yell at us ;)
[04:01] <revelater> just screw quake 3 its an old program anyway...
[04:01] <lewwy> so frustrated!
[04:02] <revelater> get UT!!!
[04:02] <smouche> yeah, Gigs37, but not in here... ;-)
[04:02] <lewwy> yeh, no newer ones
[04:02] <lewwy> i dont have it
[04:02] <DonL> Yeah. My kid always beats me on Quake anyway
[04:02] <lewwy> i've got ut03
[04:02] <EvilSporkMan> revelater: if sound doesn't work from command-line it won't work in games
[04:02] <lewwy> but, CD1 is scratched
[04:02] <Arnia> smouche: applications:///
[04:02] <Arnia> In nautilus
[04:02] <revelater> lewwy, the 2004 series should be cheaper now, maybe 30 bucks
[04:02] <Dr_Aevil> lewwy: I play ut2k4, COD, WoW, DoD, WC3 atm in linux, some of that using cedega
[04:02] <Arnia> Dr_Aevil: isn't Canonical Ltd registered in the Isle of Man. That isn't in the EU interestingly
[04:03] <EvilSporkMan> I honestly found desktop environments difficult to use <_< >_>
[04:03] <moominski> any of you guys know a good website on howto install .tar.gz files
[04:03] <Dr_Aevil> Arnia: really? hehe, I didn't even know that much - I assumed they were registered in S.A.
[04:03] <haha> You know the partition resize for linux? I resize the ntfs partition size
[04:03] <EvilSporkMan> moominski: tar zxf foo.tar.gz; cd foo/ ; less README; ./configure; make; su; make install
[04:03] <fissy> interesting that the socially reponsible ubuntu chooses to set up in a tax haven
[04:03] <revelater> Dr_Aevil, whats DoD and COD?
[04:03] <EvilSporkMan> or is that sudo make install?
[04:04] <Arnia> Dr_Aevil: And the first Canonical Conference was held in Oxford
[04:04] <DonL> moominski, Linuxformat magazine has a how - to on that
[04:04] <Dr_Aevil> revelater: Day of Defeat, WWII HL mod, Call of Duty - WW2 FPS game
[04:04] <moominski> have u got a link??
[04:04] <EvilSporkMan> moominski: google.com
[04:04] <Dr_Aevil> fissy: ;-P
[04:05] <Arnia> fissy: perhaps its for the legal reasons... I'll ask my friend (from IoM) what company law is like there
[04:05] <lewwy> Call of Duty on linux?
[04:05] <DonL> I just keep an old magazine by the computer and refer to it
[04:05] <Dr_Aevil> lewwy: yeah, with cedega - be warned we have punkbuster problems atm with cedega
[04:05] <lewwy> cedega *shudder*
[04:05] <lewwy> cedega doesnt work
[04:05] <lewwy> all i ever get is errors
[04:05] <lewwy> havent played one game yet
[04:05] <lewwy> even HL1
[04:05] <Dr_Aevil> :) I'm astonished at how far they've come
[04:06] <Dr_Aevil> lewwy: that's surprising, I don't have trouble playing WoW in direct 3d mode
[04:06] <DonL> I'm off to check out some new repositories (carefully). Thanks for the chat, folks
[04:06] <Dr_Aevil> bye bye
[04:06] <lewwy> Dr_Aevil: where did u buy cedega from?
[04:06] <Dr_Aevil> lewwy: I subscribe to www.transgaming.com
[04:06] <lewwy> Dr_Aevil: ...if u bought it
[04:06] <lewwy> cedega is a weird thing
[04:06] <Dr_Aevil> since 2002 in fact
[04:06] <moominski> DonL: Linuxformat magazine is down
[04:07] <moominski> any others
[04:07] <EvilSporkMan> moominski: what are you trying to install?
[04:07] <lewwy> i mean, getting the source to a FREE program, modifying it, and then charging money for it
[04:07] <lewwy> ...its not right
[04:07] <EvilSporkMan> lewwy: Wine license allowed it
[04:07] <lewwy> yeh but still
[04:07] <moominski> i just cant install anytype of tar file
[04:07] <EvilSporkMan> ever heard of the BSD license?
[04:08] <lewwy> i'
[04:08] <EvilSporkMan> moominski: they're just archives, like .zip
[04:08] <lewwy> i'll see how much it costs...
[04:08] <Dr_Aevil> for the small amount of money a sub costs you get full time developers working on it, and you get to vote on what they work on :)
[04:08] <EvilSporkMan> lewwy: it's prohibitively expensive
[04:08] <lewwy> fsck that
[04:08] <EvilSporkMan> $5 per month
[04:08] <haha> xi
[04:08] <lewwy> not paying 5 bucks a month
[04:08] <moominski> EvilSporkMan: wot about rpms
[04:08] <Arnia> hm
[04:08] <Dr_Aevil> I costs $5 bucks to sneeze over here in the UK :)
[04:09] <lewwy> hey Dr_Aevil
[04:09] <EvilSporkMan> moominski: those are packages. you're trying to install cedega, aren't you
[04:09] <lewwy> how big is cedega
[04:09] <lewwy> 7mb?
[04:09] <Arnia> $5 = 2.50 atm roughly?
[04:09] <i3dmaster> Does anyone know how to exclude some packages from apt?
[04:09] <moominski> no wots cedega?? plz tell
[04:09] <EvilSporkMan> moominski: never mind
[04:09] <lewwy> www.transgaming.com
[04:09] <Dr_Aevil> lewwy: the .deb is 7.3MB
[04:09] <stazich> hey, can anyone tell me where to get a2ps (Postscript convertor) installed on the system? i tried looking for it in the Synaptic Package Manager could not find it there...
[04:10] <lewwy> Dr_Aevil: sendy sendy!
[04:10] <hyphenated> Arnia: roughly, yes (according to xe.com)
[04:10] <EvilSporkMan> moominski: look into alien, it's a program to convert rpms to .debs. however, you're better off looking for the ubuntu package for whatever you're trying to install
[04:10] <Arnia> For 2.50 I can get a sandwich and four sausage rolls from Peters Bakery... 5 pints of Diet Coke... two pints of beer...
[04:10] <Arnia> A six inch subway
[04:10] <Dr_Aevil> Arnia: I think about 2.70
[04:10] <Arnia> EvilSporkMan: ?
[04:10] <moominski> ahh ok so i need abunto specific
[04:11] <EvilSporkMan> Arnia: so how much does gas cost you blokes? =P
[04:11] <moominski> or deb
[04:11] <holycow> when i add a server to places .... how do i remove it ( i made a mistake and its not connecting )?  right clicking seems to be disabled in the places/applications/systems menues
[04:11] <lewwy> 85c a litre here
[04:11] <Dr_Aevil> EvilSporkMan: about 85p a litre
[04:11] <EvilSporkMan> moominski: i think ubuntu uses debs, i'm not sure
[04:11] <lewwy> hah pwnage
[04:11] <lewwy> its cheaper here
[04:11] <Arnia> EvilSporkMan: I don't care, I don't drive
[04:11] <stazich> hey, can anyone tell me where to get a2ps (Postscript convertor) installed on the system? i tried looking for it in the Synaptic Package Manager could not find it there...
[04:11] <Dr_Aevil> we pay huge taxes on fuel
[04:11] <EvilSporkMan> lewwy: that's like $3.40 / gallon @_@
[04:11] <Arnia> And its gonna run out soon anyway, and then I'm dead
[04:11] <EvilSporkMan> ouch
[04:11] <lewwy> aus
[04:11] <lewwy> australian
[04:12] <lewwy> 75c to the US
[04:12] <bet0x> i will be daddy!
[04:12] <bet0x> :D
[04:12] <bet0x> :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
[04:12] <lewwy> 25c to the pound
[04:12] <EvilSporkMan> I wish I lived somewhere with public transportation...the detroit area is not the best place to live with these gas prices
[04:12] <lewwy> i AM the daddy! :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
[04:12] <bet0x> im daddy too
[04:12] <Dr_Aevil> Arnia: 2.70? that'd get me a sandwich prob
[04:12] <bet0x> but this my second
[04:12] <Dr_Aevil> Arnia: not even a magazine
[04:12] <bet0x> :D
[04:12] <Arnia> Dr_Aevil: I'm in Durham.. where are you?
[04:12] <lewwy> mmm                                                                                                                                                                You have been kicked from #cedega
[04:12] <bet0x> bet0x 2.1-Updated
[04:12] <bet0x> :D
[04:13] <Dr_Aevil> Arnia: bristol
[04:13] <EvilSporkMan> lewwy: nice job
[04:13] <lewwy> lol
[04:13] <Dr_Aevil> let me guess....you asked someone to send you it? :)
[04:13] <lewwy> looked fake tho
[04:13] <lifeless> why ?
[04:13] <Arnia> Without oil all my medicines run into problems
[04:13] <lewwy> dont worry Arnia, theres plenty of gunpowder
[04:13] <Dr_Aevil> Arnia: d'oh
[04:14] <synd> grr why is warty dropping my wireless connection
[04:14] <Arnia> lewwy: Gunpowder is not suitable for synthesising insulin
[04:14] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:14] <Dr_Aevil> lol
[04:14] <Dr_Aevil> classic line
[04:14] <lewwy> i know...
[04:14] <lewwy> hmm
[04:14] <lewwy> dont worry
[04:14] <lewwy> they'll suss something out
[04:15] <Arnia> lewwy: Nah they won't... science doesn't work on demand. But that's ok, has to happen somehow :)
[04:15] <lewwy> well look
[04:15] <lewwy> they'll either fix it
[04:15] <stazich> hey, can anyone tell me where to get a2ps (Postscript convertor) installed on the system? i tried looking for it in the Synaptic Package Manager could not find it there...
[04:15] <lewwy> or you'll die a horrible painful deah
[04:15] <lewwy> death*
[04:15] <Arnia> I've worked out I have to pay the government over 2 million in tax to have made a nett loss
[04:16] <lewwy> its a lot more simpler when you look at it like that
[04:16] <Arnia> lewwy: Yeah... neither really fazes me
[04:16] <lewwy> you know what sux about cedega
[04:16] <lewwy> they dont allow a trial
[04:16] <lewwy> i mean...i wanna try something b4 i buy it
[04:16] <Dr_Aevil> lewwy: try the CVS
[04:17] <EvilSporkMan> stazich: a2ps is in debian O_o
[04:17] <bet0x> hum
[04:17] <kpeterson> Has anyone here had success in setting up a mouse with many buttons
[04:17] <bet0x> i make a upgrande
[04:17] <bet0x> and my ubuntu freeze the pc
[04:17] <bet0x> va
[04:17] <Dr_Aevil> CVS doesn't include some of the copy protection code for license reasons but you're free to download it
[04:17] <bet0x> the hole gnome system
[04:17] <bet0x> with XFC4 no
[04:17] <bet0x> i dont know whi
[04:17] <bet0x> :S
[04:17] <EvilSporkMan> lewwy: CVS is also really guaranteed not to work =)
[04:17] <EvilSporkMan> lewwy: you have to keep trying it over time
[04:17] <Dr_Aevil> (shhhhh)
[04:17] <Dr_Aevil> :)
[04:17] <lewwy> what do i type do install the cvs build?
[04:17] <LinuxJones> stazich, it's in the universe repository
[04:18] <EvilSporkMan> lewwy: look on transgaming's site, they have directions
[04:18] <EvilSporkMan> oh, and gentoo got burned for providing an installer for the CVS, so don't even ask
[04:18] <lewwy> link me
[04:18] <lewwy> i cant find it
[04:19] <EvilSporkMan> lewwy: how should I know? I'd have to find it myself
[04:19] <holycow> oh
[04:19] <holycow> unmount volume
[04:19] <holycow> thats fucking clever
[04:19] <holycow> nice
[04:20] <holycow> you know, this places menu is brilliant
[04:20] <holycow> that means if we switch to all ubuntu/debian
[04:20] <jsgotangco> it is
[04:20] <stazich> LinuxJones, what is a universe repository??
[04:20] <holycow> i should be able to share ssh/d webdav folders to the whole company
[04:20] <jsgotangco> but its gnome 2.10 not ubuntu :D
[04:21] <holycow> we could have a shared templates, all sorts of things
[04:21] <Dr_Aevil> night night, was fun chatting.
[04:21] <jsgotangco> anyonewith gnome 2.10 will have that :D
[04:21] <LinuxJones> stazich, it's a repository with thousands of packages not available in the mian Ubuntu repositories
[04:21] <holycow> jsgotangco, well the places menu is not by default in stock 2.10 gnome, or is it?
[04:21] <EvilSporkMan> holycow: uh...couldn't you use samba?
[04:21] <LinuxJones> *main
[04:21] <jsgotangco> holycow: it is stock 2.10
[04:21] <holycow> i thought that was an ubuntu invention? i first saw something like that in the first version of ub
[04:22] <synd> theres no places menu in warty : (
[04:22] <Flonne> That's probably because Ubuntu is one of the first distros to use Gnome 2.10.
[04:22] <holycow> EvilSporkMan, samba is evil, reverse engineering something that sucks is not really something i want to deal with
[04:22] <jsgotangco> hoary was just one of the first to use 2.10
[04:22] <EvilSporkMan> holycow: it works fine
[04:22] <jsgotangco> remember 2.10 is barely a month old :D
[04:22] <synd> anyone have konspose working ?
[04:23] <stazich> LinuxJones, how can i access them??
[04:23] <LinuxJones> stazich, have a look at this it explains what it is and how to enable the Universe repo >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[04:23] <synd> expocity for gnome
[04:23] <holycow> samba i only use for windows print sharing, little else
[04:24] <stazich> LinuxJones, thanks man!!
[04:24] <Plank> can someone help me out with something?
[04:24] <holycow> jsgotangco, am i then seeing a bit of the ubuntu work rub off on the gnome team? i first saw the second systems pulldown menu in the first ubuntu release
[04:24] <holycow> and the trash can on bottom right as well
[04:24] <Akira> hey anyone know anything about apt-zip?
[04:24] <LinuxJones> stazich, Have fun :)
[04:25] <Plank> How do I set up USB?
[04:25] <LinuxJones> holycow, some of the Ubuntu devs are top of the line Gnome devs
[04:25] <Plank> Ubuntu doesn't even see my usb ports, just the controllers.
[04:26] <holycow> LinuxJones, nice :)
[04:26] <jsgotangco> holycow: the initial hoary tests didnt have 2.10
[04:26] <jsgotangco> it was only recently after 2.10 got official
[04:27] <LinuxJones> holycow, most of the developers are Debian/Gnome guys :)
[04:27] <Roey> hi
[04:27] <Levander> anybody know if the  dotdeb package for php5 works on either warty or hoary?
[04:27] <Roey> crimsun:  hi
[04:28] <Plank> this is frigging ridiculous...
[04:28] <holycow> jsgotangco, :) well damn, i'm starting to like ubuntu
[04:28] <Roey> crimsun:  what are ya gonna do about this issue for those who boot off SATA drives... they need to have their SATA kernel modules in their initrd's 'loadmodules' or nothing works
[04:28] <jsgotangco> holycow: we all do hehehehe
[04:28] <holycow> LinuxJones, *high five*
[04:29] <holycow> LinuxJones, so that means that buying support means support debian indirectly in a positive way
[04:29] <holycow> i like that
[04:29] <Plank> yes,yes we do, but i need some help folks
[04:29] <jsgotangco> holycow: most fixes in ubuntu are also contributed to debian
[04:29] <holycow> oh that brings up a question:
[04:29] <LinuxJones> holycow, yeah basically
[04:29] <Plank> /proc/bus/usb is empty...
[04:29] <holycow> what happens to fixes/features that are rejected?
[04:29] <jldugger> jsgotangco, unless those fixes are OO.o2 ;)
[04:29] <jsgotangco> :D
[04:30] <jldugger> holycow, i figure, its debian's problem then
[04:30] <jldugger> but afaik, the developers are debian developers too
[04:30] <LinuxJones> Plank, are you running Warty or Hoary ?
[04:30] <holycow> are the packages with such features permanently forked then?
[04:30] <jldugger> so it makes no sense to reject their own patches
[04:30] <Plank> hoary
[04:30] <Plank> on an Averatec C3500
[04:31] <synd> if upgraded to hoary from warty i dont need this: deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/ warty-backports main universe
[04:31] <synd> correct?
[04:31] <jsgotangco> after all, a number of Debian maintainers are Ubuntu maintainers as well
[04:31] <Plank> /proc/bus/usb is empty, so it doesn't even see my usb ports
[04:31] <holycow> jldugger, i would be interested to see over time, if there was a way to track, how many packages end up 'forking' permanently for either patches not being accepted or some other reason
[04:32] <synd> anyone?
[04:32] <Plank> no, get rid of that
[04:32] <jldugger> im sure there's better things they could be doing with their time
[04:33] <synd> Plank: so i dont need it, right?
[04:33] <Plank> nope
[04:33] <jldugger> speaking of better things, is that bootlog tracker available through apt?
[04:33] <jldugger> bootchart maker, i mean
[04:33] <synd> thx Plank
[04:33] <Plank> no prob
[04:33] <synd> what about deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main ,deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[04:33] <synd> ?
[04:33] <LinuxJones> Plank, have you ever run Linux on that ?
[04:34] <holycow> cool, thanks for the help guys
[04:34] <holycow> later
[04:34] <gardio1> Anyone using the java plugin?  Have you gotten sound to work?
[04:34] <Plank> whaddya mean? this is the first time i have set a dual boot
[04:34] <LinuxJones> bye
[04:34] <Ringwraith`> holyshit, bye
[04:34] <synd> Ringwraith`: haha.
[04:34] <LinuxJones> Plank, I did a quick search on google and some folks have had to do a bios upgrade to get usb working.
[04:35] <Ringwraith`> damn firmware writers!
[04:35] <Plank> to what bios? i'm using 02h and that ones supposed to work with usb, which bios do you need in order for it to work?
[04:36] <Plank> i know about the various bioses and flashit, so which do i need?
[04:36] <LinuxJones> Plank, that's a tablet pc your running right ?
[04:36] <Plank> yep
[04:37] <Plank> i'm not concerned about the touchscreen at the moment, i'd just like to be able to use a mouse...
[04:37] <LinuxJones> Plank, have a look here, maybe some help >> http://www.tabletquestions.com/archive/index.php/t-4170.html
[04:37] <LinuxJones> work early tomorrow night all :)
[04:39] <Xira> wow
[04:39] <Xira> my ubuntu server is fast :O
[04:39] <`1pt-rich> anyone get the ati drivers working with Hoary?
[04:39] <Xira> `1pt-rich, yes
[04:39] <Xira> can i help you?
[04:39] <DarthFrog> `1pt-rich: Not so far.
[04:39] <`1pt-rich> hopefully
[04:40] <`1pt-rich> I followed http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22496
[04:40] <`1pt-rich> and when I run glxgears i still get like 180fpx
[04:40] <`1pt-rich> fps so I know something isnt right
[04:41] <Xira> ok
[04:41] <Xira> remove it
[04:41] <Xira> then follow my instructions
[04:41] <Xira> you have synaptic, yes?
[04:41] <`1pt-rich> i'm still kinda green
[04:41] <`1pt-rich> so apt-get remove?
[04:41] <Xira> right
[04:41] <Xira> but
[04:41] <Xira> do apt-get -u remove <package> first to see nothing critical gets removed
[04:41] <Xira> that will tell you exactly what it's going to do
[04:42] <Xira> if everything looks ok, procede with an apt-get remove
[04:42] <Xira> tell me once you've gotten there
[04:42] <`1pt-rich> couldnt find package
[04:42] <`1pt-rich> how can I find the package?
[04:42] <`1pt-rich> is there a list
[04:42] <`1pt-rich> like an rpm -qa type of thing?
[04:43] <Xira> apt-cache search
[04:44] <kpeterson> Has anyone had success setting up a mouse with extra buttons?
[04:44] <`1pt-rich> Xira: ok the kernel sources are still there should I remove those too?
[04:44] <Xira> kpeterson, rodger.
[04:44] <`1pt-rich> or just the regular fglrx-6.8.0?
[04:44] <Xira> `1pt-rich, doesnt matter, just realize whatever you do the steps im going to give you is the kernel its going to be on
[04:44] <skreet> How can I share a printer, preferably to a windows computer?
[04:45] <mathmatt> I am trying to connect to my laptop (hoary) with vnc. I have done some configuration, but when I connect, I get a new session with only a terminal open.  How do I join the ongoing gnome session with vnc?
[04:45] <`1pt-rich> Xira ok, lets go ahead then
[04:45] <kpeterson> Xira, I am following http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ManyButtonsMouseHowto and it says something about modifying /etc/X11/Xsession.d/60imwheel_start-imwheel
[04:45] <mathmatt> skreet: try CUPS
[04:45] <Xira> `1pt-rich, i would prefer to take this up in pm
[04:45] <skreet> mathmatt, Doesn't Ubuntu use the CUPS system?
[04:45] <`1pt-rich> ok
[04:45] <kpeterson> Xira, what modifications should i make?
[04:45] <skreet> The whole point of a decent O/S is to have a menu-driver easy to use interface, is there a way to share my printer using *this* method, or do I need to setup samba :(
[04:46] <Xira> kpeterson, hold
[04:46] <sataere> Hey everyone, I've had video problems with linux whenever I've used it, xv crashes my system forcing a hard reboot, and I was never able to keep totem from using it.   I switched to mplayer with great success, except that it won't play any audio on quicktime files.  I'm willing to try anything :)
[04:46] <Xira> skreet, are you running hoary?
[04:46] <skreet> Xira, Yes I am.
[04:46] <Xira> k.
[04:46] <Xira> system > administration > printing
[04:46] <Xira> ;)
[04:46] <mathmatt> skreet: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[04:47] <skreet> .. I went there, how do I *share* a printer?
[04:47] <Xira> that too
[04:47] <Xira> kpeterson, hm.. it detected mine by default
[04:47] <terry97> can someone suggest an alternative to evolution
[04:47] <jsgotangco> thunderbird
[04:47] <sataere> Thunderbird?
[04:47] <jsgotangco> slypheed
[04:48] <kpeterson> Xira k
[04:48] <DarthFrog> terry97: kmail
[04:48] <terry97> ok thanks you guys
[04:49] <sataere> Can anyone help me with my video problem?
[04:49] <fissy> skreet: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetworkPrintingFromWin2000/view?searchterm=printers
[04:49] <skreet> Ick the printer isnt even working , Iguess i'll have to fix that first :((
[04:49] <Ringwraith`> sataere,  your video isnt working
[04:50] <sataere> Ringwraith`, Video is working, rather, I have a problem running quicktime videos: there's no audio
[04:50] <Ringwraith`> mplayer?
[04:50] <sataere> Mplayer.
[04:50] <andrewski> ubuntu is so cool for the budding python developer. :D
[04:51] <dayson> sdf] 
[04:51] <elcu> What version of gtk+ is installed with ubuntu warty?
[04:51] <sataere> Ringwraith`, I tried totem, but I can't stop it from using xv which causes a hard lockup on my system
[04:51] <andrewski> elcu: h/o and i'll find out.
[04:51] <elcu> thanks
[04:51] <andrewski> elcu: btw, you could also look on distrowatch's website too.
[04:51] <Ringwraith`> sataere,  grab the latest mplayer from source along with the latest codecs
[04:51] <mathmatt> skreet: See section 4 of this document.  It tells how to configure and share a printer http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing.html#to_windows_cupsconfig
[04:52] <elcu> andrewski: I'm trying to install gqview and ./configure tells me that GTK+ >= 2.4.0 not installed.
[04:52] <andrewski> elcu: 2.4.10-1ubuntu1
[04:52] <sataere> Ringwraith`, alright
[04:52] <mathmatt> can anyone help with VNC?
[04:52] <Ringwraith`> sataere,  also see if you have any audio playing a dvd, etc.
[04:52] <andrewski> elcu: you need libgtk2.0-dev
[04:52] <Ringwraith`> using mplayer
[04:52] <fissy> elcu, if you're compiling you'll need to install the gtk devel packages
[04:52] <fissy> bah, beaten
[04:52] <elcu> Ah, Cheers guys.
[04:53] <andrewski> elcu: what fissy said.  that will give you the source which gqview needs to build against.
[04:53] <andrewski> elcu: any reason you're building gqview and not using ubuntu's package?
[04:53] <sataere> Ringwraith`, avi and wmv and mpegs and some quicktimes work fine
[04:53] <fissy> yeah, gqview is in synaptic
[04:53] <sataere> Ringwraith`, just the newer quicktimes that don't have audio
[04:53] <fissy> in universe
[04:54] <Ringwraith`> sataere,  sounds like a codec issue
[04:54] <danikata> hi all
[04:54] <dayson> how do I set up my devices to be mounted with start up?
[04:54] <andrewski> dayson: /etc/fstab
[04:54] <Ringwraith`> /etc/fstab
[04:54] <andrewski> dayson: there's a manpage to explain the syntax; post back here if you still need help.
[04:54] <danikata> how to add usb flash disk ?
[04:55] <calc> i found that xine can play asf files better than wmp
[04:56] <calc> i couldn't play the video on xine since i didn't have the dll, but it played audio fine, on wmp it wouldn't play the audio, heh
[04:56] <mathmatt> VNC anyone?  I can only see a terminal when connecting.  How do I share a desktop with a remote computer?
[04:56] <Ringwraith`> the shared object
[04:56] <Ringwraith`> mathmatt,  did you edit the files in ~/.vnc?
[04:57] <randabis> System Information for    [ ubuntu ] 
[04:57] <randabis> OS/Kernel                 Linux 2.6.10-5-k7
[04:57] <randabis> CPU Info                  AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3200+ 2205.164 Mhz   4358.14 Bogomips
[04:57] <randabis> HD Info                   0GB total storage capacity
[04:57] <randabis> Memory                    320.754/504.176MB
[04:57] <randabis> Processes                 116
[04:57] <randabis> Uptime                    7:28
[04:57] <randabis> whoa
[04:57] <randabis> that's a bad script lol
[04:57] <Ringwraith`> wow 0GB
[04:57] <Ringwraith`> you must be on a dickless workstation
[04:57] <randabis> haha that's totally off
[04:57] <synd> lol
[04:58] <randabis> the other stuff is okay
[04:58] <synd> stupid ubuntu >:o
[04:58] <mathmatt> Ringwraith: yes, i added a line for Gnome: exec gnome-session
[04:58] <randabis> my main gripe is that that script floods the channel
[04:58] <andrewski> synd: oh yeah?
[04:58] <Ringwraith`> mathmatt,  did you startvncserver?
[04:58] <randabis> synd: I'm using kde :p
[04:58] <dayson> where is the file and whats its name where I add things to be mounted during startup?
[04:58] <Ringwraith`> and erase the exec from gnome-session you dont need it technically
[04:59] <synd> randabis: youre in the wrong room :P
[04:59] <synd> andrewski: oh yea
[04:59] <Ringwraith`> go to the waiting room!
[04:59] <randabis> synd: I'm in both rooms
[04:59] <smouche> just installed gnome -- why is there no option in log-out to shutdown or restart?  And I can't find a user administration screen from any of the menus...
[04:59] <mathmatt> Ringwraith: Yes.  I can connect with vnc however I only get a new session with a terminal, no Desktop GUI
[04:59] <mathmatt> Ringwraith: Is that normal?
[04:59] <synd> randabis: yeah well youre talking in the wrong room so : P
[05:00] <danikata> heloo.... how to add usb flash disk in ubuntu, is i necessary to edit /etc/fstab
[05:00] <Ringwraith`> mathmatt, do you have kde installed? if so try startkde
[05:00] <jldugger> danikata, like a usb thumb drive?
[05:00] <Ringwraith`> mathmatt,  or some other WM
[05:00] <randabis> synd: no, just because I'm using kde at the moment doesn't mean I don't use gnome too...besides, kubuntu and ubuntu are not separate distros
[05:00] <jldugger> danikata, they should just come up.
[05:00] <danikata> yup
[05:00] <jldugger> on the desktop
[05:00] <synd> randabis: im just yankin your chain
[05:00] <randabis> :)
[05:00] <dayson> how do I add and mount another partion on another drive on startup?
[05:00] <mathmatt> Ringwraith: from the remote computer?
[05:00] <randabis> it's all gravy then
[05:00] <libben> I have a updates Icon in the corner that i cant get rid of... it tells me that i have 314 updates to make if i want to.... i cant see any diffrent changes for them.. same version number.. but it has adde ubuntu0 and 1 and 2 sometimes on it...
[05:01] <mathmatt> Ringwraith: I'll try it. Thanks
[05:01] <libben> should i update ALL 314 packages ?
[05:01] <andrewski> libben: ps -A | grep update
[05:01] <andrewski> libben: i forget the name of it, i think it's update-notifier.  you can kill it and have it not restart next time.
[05:01] <danikata> theres nothing in desktop, even i add "/dev/sda1/" in /etc/fstab
[05:01] <andrewski> libben: depends.  i'd run synaptic and see what specifically is being updated.
[05:01] <synd> randabis: im new to ubuntu (and linux for that matter).. im lookin to format my other HDD on here that has XP and installing kubuntu. which you like better?
[05:02] <andrewski> libben: generally, yes.  but use your discretion.
[05:02] <libben> use ny discretion? what u mean.
[05:02] <randabis> synd: I like kubuntu better...technically my system has both though
[05:02] <sataere> use ny discretion lol
[05:02] <libben> ive allready updated ff and gaim and other small things that ive looked with synaptic
[05:02] <sataere> NY has no discretion
[05:02] <synd> randabis: better yet, which would be better for a new user.. or is that just a matter of opinion
[05:03] <randabis> I've been using hoary since late january so I just installed the kubuntu-desktop package :p
[05:03] <synd> aha :p
[05:03] <synd> is the kubuntu desktop package as easy as an apt-get?
[05:03] <randabis> synd: more of an opinion...I think kde might be easier to navigate, but that's just me
[05:03] <libben> how do i not make it restart next time i turn on box?
[05:04] <LeeJunFan> synd: yep.
[05:04] <synd> interesting
[05:04] <libben> is it just enough with kill update-notifier sorta? and then what
[05:04] <LeeJunFan> synd: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:04] <andrewski> libben: dunno, don't use gnome myself. :)
[05:04] <randabis> synd: yes. that's the beauty of apt and the fact that kubuntu is not a fork, so it shares the same repositories as ubuntu
[05:04] <synd> does it add kubuntu to grub automatically or ?
[05:04] <dayson> how do I add and mount another partion from another drive at startup?
[05:05] <LeeJunFan> synd: it's not another os. Just another application.
[05:05] <randabis> synd: it doesn't need to add it to grub...it adds kde to your session manager (gdm)
[05:05] <randabis> or you can choose to change to kdm
[05:05] <synd> oh i see.. the login screen?
[05:05] <randabis> yes
[05:05] <synd> automatically?
[05:05] <randabis> yes
[05:05] <Xeon3D> erm.. does anyone know how can I edit the gnome menu?
[05:05] <nictuku> hi. sound is not coming out. it's an HP d325. I've tried rythmbox, xmms with esd/oss/alsa plugin. none worked
[05:05] <synd> ok, im sold
[05:06] <synd> but i need hoary first, correct?
[05:06] <nictuku> I've put all volume levels to high
[05:06] <randabis> and if you use a kubuntu cd, you can always get gnome by installing ubuntu-desktop
[05:06] <mathmatt> gnome-edit
[05:06] <Xeon3D> mathmatt, was that for me?
[05:06] <mathmatt> run as root though
[05:06] <mathmatt> yes
[05:06] <LeeJunFan> synd: nope - you can dl kubuntu from kubuntu.org too
[05:07] <Xeon3D> I ain't got that command.
[05:07] <dayson> how do I add and mount another partion from another drive at startup?
[05:07] <mathmatt> i'll get you a link, hold on
[05:07] <LeeJunFan> synd: the only differences between kubuntu and ubuntu are which desktop they install by default.
[05:07] <synd> alright.. sounds like a plan
[05:07] <smouche> ok, this distro is supposed to be relatively friendly to newbies?  Then why do I have to open a terminal and "sudo halt" just to shut down the machine?  Why is there no shut down or reboot entry in the menus?
[05:08] <synd> Configuration file `/etc/bash.bashrc' // ==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation. // ==> Package distributor has shipped an updated version. //   What would you like to do about it ?  Your options are:
[05:08] <synd> im getting that when im installing hoary
[05:08] <synd> what to do?
[05:08] <idmaster> does any one know how to exclude package from apt?
[05:08] <synd> install or keep current?
[05:08] <Xeon3D> mathmatt, I got a program from ubuntuforuns.org, but that was what made the bug.. i ran it under a normal user.... and now I have 2 icons for the same thing on the menu... I wanted to erase one...
[05:09] <LeeJunFan> synd: probably safe to install the one in the package.
[05:09] <mathmatt> is it menu-editor?
[05:09] <mathmatt> that's what i ment
[05:09] <mathmatt> meant
[05:09] <synd> LeeJunFan: ill take your word for it
[05:09] <geppy> I need a command line application that can tell me the length of a sound clip (.wav, .mp3, .ogg, etc) in milliseconds.  Advice?
[05:09] <Xeon3D> mathmatt, yup.. but now I can't delete that package...
[05:09] <Xeon3D> erm
[05:09] <Xeon3D> that icon.
[05:10] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: sox will do wav
[05:10] <Xeon3D> or entry
[05:10] <mathmatt> sudo menu-editor
[05:10] <mathmatt> then fix your menu
[05:10] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: the only way to accurately do it with mp3 ogg/etc is to decode it, passit to sox and then do it
[05:10] <geppy> HrdwrBoB: Ah, yeah, that's what I was afraid of.
[05:10] <geppy> HrdwrBoB: This will be for a webserver application, so I was hoping for some kind of cheap (in processing terms) way to do it.
[05:10] <Xeon3D> mathmatt, it doesn't work :(
[05:10] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: in seconds yes
[05:11] <HrdwrBoB> milliseconds, no
[05:11] <Xeon3D> I deleted the VLC entry... and it still shows both of them there
[05:11] <Xeon3D> does anyone know the manual way of doing it?
[05:11] <randabis> smouche: there is a shutdown menu
[05:11] <geppy> HrdwrBoB: wait, sox won't give milliseconds?
[05:11] <randabis> smouche: it is in the System menu
[05:11] <smouche> randabis, where?  All it says is log-out
[05:11] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: I think it will, but what I mean is you can cheaply get seconds
[05:11] <randabis> if you are using Warty, it is in the Computer menu
[05:11] <i3dmaster> Any one know how to exclude packages from apt???
[05:11] <HrdwrBoB> milliseconds is much harder
[05:11] <randabis> smouche: that's what you use
[05:11] <geppy> HrdwrBoB: Oh, okay.
[05:12] <randabis> it brings up a menu that gives you 3 options
[05:12] <smouche> That gets me to the log in screen.  Oh, that's absurd.  Faster to sudo halt then.
[05:12] <Xeon3D> mathmatt, don't you happen to know how can I manually erase it?
[05:12] <randabis> smouche: that's strange
[05:12] <geppy> HrdwrBoB: Yeah.  The problem is that this is for an online audio database, and many of the sound clips will probably be very, very short.
[05:12] <randabis> it should give you the option to logout, reboot, or shutdown
[05:12] <smouche> In windows, I can shut down with three key presses.
[05:12] <synd> smouche: terminal is always faster, and much cooler, imho :p
[05:12] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: ahh
[05:12] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: with wav it's cheap
[05:12] <smouche> In kde, I can right shut down from a menu.
[05:13] <randabis> smouche: so use kde
[05:13] <HrdwrBoB> well, pcm
[05:13] <randabis> there's kde in ubuntu
[05:13] <mathmatt> Xeon3D: the menu-editor app or the menu entries?
[05:13] <Xeon3D> I wanted to erase a menu entry manually
[05:13] <vitriol> anybody know how to fix something like this:
[05:13] <vitriol> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:13] <vitriol>   libe: Depends: enlightenment (= 0.16.999.003-0cvs20050325) but 1:0.16.6-3ubuntu1 is to be installed
[05:13] <geppy> HrdwrBoB: So, it'd be necessary to decode the ogg/mp3 streams into .wav, and then just store a .wav copy server-side (or just store the time)?
[05:13] <foden> hey, has anyone recently upgraded their hoary to find that the graphical login doesn't load anymore?
[05:13] <vitriol> ?
[05:13] <smouche> synd, sure, but how are newbies supposed to know about "sudo -password-- halt" (yeah I know, rtfm), and what the hell is a gui for anyway??? how damn hard is it to include an obvious choice like shut down in a menu?
[05:14] <mlambie> anyone know why I can't add the volume applet to my panel in hoary?
[05:14] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: you wouldn't need to stor the wav, but you'd need it to work out the exact time yeah
[05:14] <Ringwraith`> you can if you run kdm
[05:14] <Ringwraith`> so just run the damned thing
[05:14] <Daehlie> smouche: you could use sudo init 0
[05:14] <synd> smouche: understandable. but, mine works! I have the little panel with the door and you click it and it brings up 3 opts
[05:14] <Daehlie> if you were so inclined
[05:15] <Ringwraith`> or press the power button on your computer
[05:15] <randabis> smouche: again, it is there, you are just doing something wrong apparently...but also, if you're more comfortable with kde, then use it..you can install it easily
[05:15] <Ringwraith`> if your power stuff is configured right in the kernel then it will shut itself down gracefully
[05:15] <foden> hey, has anyone recently upgraded their hoary to find that the graphical login doesn't load anymore? coz for sum reason mine isnt running now :S
[05:15] <smouche> randabis, remarks like "so use kde" aren't very bright.  It's a development distro, right, so it needs some development.  "just love it the way it is or shut up" is asinine.
[05:15] <vitriol> foden: try apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:15] <Ringwraith`> my hoar was upgraded last year, but i got a new hoar this year
[05:15] <smouche> thank you randabis, I do have kde.
[05:15] <i3dmaster> ubuntu GUI mode is runlevel 2, then what is the networkable console mode?
[05:16] <vitriol> then try and see if you can get it working, foden
[05:16] <randabis> smouche: it was merely a suggestion, not an insult...again I say, the option is there, but apparently something is either wrong with your installation, or you are doing something wrong
[05:16] <Xeon3D> how does one manually remove an entry from the gnome menu?
[05:16] <mathmatt> Xeon3D: try removing whatevermenuitem.desktop from /usr/share/applications
[05:16] <synd> smouche: so Computer --> Log Out just simply logs you out?
[05:17] <Xeon3D> i'll try mathmatt
[05:17] <Nekohayo> having installed limewire free on my ubuntu box, I'm worried about spyware. Any thoughts about this?
[05:17] <Ringwraith`> press the power button!
[05:17] <Nekohayo> should I put my tinfoil hat on?
[05:17] <jldugger> Nekohayo, did it come from apt-get?
[05:17] <Ringwraith`> Nekohayo,  yes
[05:17] <foden> ok thanks
[05:17] <Flonne> Y'know, I've never actually tried the power button with Ubuntu.
[05:17] <synd> smouche: maybe you could just log out.. then goto the login screen and then hit the shutdown button?
[05:17] <Flonne> Does it work?
[05:17] <sal002> Anyone here built the qemu with the kernel extension for speed-up in Ubuntu
[05:17] <mathmatt> Xeon3D: let me know if you find it there
[05:17] <Nekohayo> jldugger, I aliened the rpm
[05:17] <synd> Flonne: aint nothing to it but to do it
[05:18] <Xeon3D> mathmatt, yup that did it!
[05:18] <smouche> I'm doing something wrong??  What could I be doing wrong?  I'm looking in the menu, I'm clicking on log-out, I get just log-out, which brings me to the log in screen.  from there I can shut down, but it's absurd.  wasteful of time.
[05:18] <Xeon3D> thanks!
[05:18] <synd> Flonne: so let me know afterwards ;)
[05:18] <randabis> synd: I think he wants it to shutdown quickly
[05:18] <Flonne> You first, synd. I've got some stuff open. ^^
[05:18] <jldugger> Nekohayo, the rpm being directly from limewire? all bets are off then
[05:18] <mathmatt> Xeon3D: great!
[05:18] <randabis> smouche: I think I know what's wrong
[05:18] <Nekohayo> jldugger, where could I apt-get it then?
[05:18] <synd> Flonne: im upgrading to hoary as we speek so i win
[05:18] <gratuit> Xeon3D: if you want to do your menu manually, then check out denu, it's a really good gui menu editor that will generate menus for a whole bunch of different WMs
[05:18] <jldugger> i have to admit i dont follow gnutella that closely
[05:18] <randabis> smouche: you're using both gnome and kde correct?
[05:18] <jldugger> i used to use gnucleus on windows and it was spyware free but almost never worked
[05:18] <smouche> synd, thank you.  It's not that I CANT log out, I'm just amazed that gnome makes it needless kludgy to do it.
[05:18] <Flonne> I'm migrating a Gentoo box to Hoary by hand now, so I win.
[05:19] <smouche> yes, randabis.
[05:19] <Xeon3D> just one more question... I've installed packages that show up on the Gnome menu, but without an icon, but when I edit them and go to browse the icon path, the icon is there and it's correctly named. why doesn't it show up on Gnome Menu?
[05:19] <synd> smouche: that's really odd though that it does that.
[05:19] <randabis> smouche: what display manager are you using? if you are using kdm, then that's why you can't reboot or shutdown from within gnome using the logout button
[05:19] <gratuit> Flonne: it's not faster just to wipe/ re-install?
[05:19] <^DM> i have a question
[05:19] <randabis> synd: it's not that odd actually if what I think is happening is occurring
[05:19] <Flonne> I'm sure it would be, gratuit.
[05:19] <Flonne> It would probably also be a lot smarter.
[05:19] <Nekohayo> jldugger, from a theorical point, if I do a "complete removal" (like I just did right now from synaptic), there should be no risks?
[05:19] <^DM> can ubuntu use a windows internet connection eg through LAN
[05:19] <gratuit> Flonne: that begs the question, why?
[05:19] <mlambie> anyone know why I can't add the volume applet to my panel in hoary?
[05:20] <smouche> synd, I'm sure there's some arcane config file I can edit somewhere or something buried in gconfig (yeah, that's newbie friendly)...
[05:20] <Flonne> But then I wouldn't be able to say I understand Ubuntu's directory structure.
[05:20] <jldugger> dm: sure.
[05:20] <LeeJunFan> ^DM: sure can.
[05:20] <geppy> Did they take lame out of universe?
[05:20] <smouche> randabis, you are probably right-- but why?
[05:20] <Flonne> It's all inthe name of learning.
[05:20] <synd> randabis: well, when I click log out, it brings up the 3 options
[05:20] <vitriol> i'm getting an error message that i dunno how to fix....can someone look at this?
[05:20] <vitriol> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:20] <gratuit> Flonne: and now you will know it better than almost anyone else here ;)
[05:20] <vitriol>   libe: Depends: enlightenment (= 0.16.999.003-0cvs20050325) but 1:0.16.6-3ubuntu1 is to be installed
[05:20] <Flonne> gratuit, that will just make it easier to provide assistance. :)
[05:20] <synd> smouche: when he clicks log out, it just simply logs out.. if ive understood him correctly
[05:21] <randabis> smouche: because the kde developers for some reason have not put that feature in :( it sucks I know
[05:21] <sal002> Is there a boot splash scren for Ubuntu?
[05:21] <synd> randabis*
[05:21] <Xeon3D> mathmatt, you wouldn't know why doesn't an icon show up on a gnome menu entry even if its path is correctly entered?
[05:21] <geppy> sal002: Not yet.
[05:21] <gratuit> sal002: it's in the works
[05:21] <randabis> synd: it's because he's using kdm...kdm cannot shutdown or reboot gnome
[05:21] <jldugger> Nekohayo, not sure. i would almost wager that rpms contain their own uninstall routines, which means you cant be sure they didnt leave it there, but one would imagine that if they did evil things it would come up on slashdot or something
[05:21] <sal002> good to here!
[05:21] <randabis> sal002: there is a beta one called usplash
[05:21] <dayson> I have a linux partion on another hard drive how do I set it up to mount on bootup?
[05:21] <smouche> ah, the log-in manager is also the log-out manager-- well, ok. hmmm... but , huh, still don't know why gnome itself doesn't -- oh never mind, over my head I'm sure
[05:21] <^DM> is there anything out of the ordinary i must do ?
[05:21] <randabis> I have it working on my system
[05:21] <gratuit> sal002: it's called usplash, there has been talk of it on the mailing list, I think it's coming along, but won't be in hoary
[05:22] <Flonne> dayson, the answer lies in your /etc/fstab file.
[05:22] <synd> randabis: well im all confused so ill be quiet :x
[05:22] <smouche> Thank you randabis, and synd for your patience with my impatience!
[05:22] <jamminpotato> of the p2p's (not counting BT)  limewire is the worst
[05:22] <Nekohayo> jldugger, hmm guess it's out of my list.. I'm starting paranoia against proprietary P2P :)
[05:22] <sal002> I'll keep my eyes open for it
[05:22] <Flonne> dayson, are you familiar with the concept of a mount point?
[05:22] <jamminpotato> i want xchat back!
[05:22] <dayson> Flonne, I'm in it now
[05:22] <dayson> Flonne, sorta
[05:22] <mathmatt> Xeon3D: try sudo gedit /usr/share/applications/themenuentry.desktop and see if the correct Icon=something.png is there
[05:22] <randabis> smouche: hey it's no problem. I'm just glad we figured it out. :) I think a bug has been filed, and if not, I'll file one
[05:22] <geppy> sal002: It's called 'usplash', you could probably grab a development version, if you're comfortable with that.
[05:22] <jldugger> jamminpotato, google "xchat win32" ;)
[05:22] <synd> jesus they need to open an #ubuntu2, this chan is getting busy
[05:22] <Flonne> dayson, mind a PM? This will take several lines.
[05:22] <dayson> Flonne, I've bene using it for about 2 weeks
[05:22] <jldugger> synd: so people can flood both channels with questions?
[05:23] <dayson> Flonne, sure thats fine
[05:23] <Guilmon> is there a way I can check to see if a certain file came from a package?
[05:23] <synd> jldugger: at least it will be dispersed between 2!
[05:23] <jldugger> not really
[05:23] <lunitik> synd: only about 10 aren't idling  :/
[05:23] <LeeJunFan> could be worse over 700 in #debian
[05:23] <jldugger> #gentoo flies by on occasions
[05:23] <randabis> man, I'm getting addicted to amarok shortcut keys
[05:23] <synd> glad i aint there
[05:23] <Guilmon> #debian is full of trolls
[05:24] <sal002> hmmm..ubuntu never asked me to set my root password
[05:24] <jamminpotato> how safe is editing the partitions i the ubuntu installer?
[05:24] <LeeJunFan> randabis: yeah - finally have a use for the windows key.
[05:24] <Guilmon> you have to watch out for the biggest troll, cafuego
[05:24] <sal002> geppy: I am..
[05:24] <jldugger> hahaha
[05:24] <mathmatt> sal002: just use sudo
[05:24] <sal002> What is the default root password?
[05:24] <randabis> sal002: that's because ubuntu does not use a root account
[05:24] <synd> i poop on trolls
[05:24] <jldugger> unfortuately, i think cafuego happens to be a DD
[05:24] <Guilmon> "how to you..." <You have been kicked by cafuego>
[05:24] <LeeJunFan> randabis: although I think it's quite discriminatory that it's a windows logo on my keybd.
[05:24] <Guilmon> JDahl: DD?
[05:24] <jldugger> debian developer
[05:24] <Guilmon> JDahl: Hes not.
[05:25] <Guilmon> JDahl: hes just an ass who somehow gained support and is an op for #debian
[05:25] <mathmatt> sal002: sudo is the same only more secure
[05:25] <sal002> well..what do I enter when sudo asks me for a password?
[05:25] <jamminpotato> how safe is editing the partitions i the ubuntu installer?, i ahve winXP installeed on a drive formatted in teh NTFS format and owuld like to dual boot without messing up my current swin install
[05:25] <mathmatt> your password for your account
[05:25] <Guilmon> JDahl: hes just a looser who is controlled by his testosterone
[05:25] <Xeon3D> jamminpotato,  as long as you don't touch the NTFS partition, it's perfectly stable.
[05:25] <Guilmon> JDahl: I know hes defintely male, just by how childish he acts.
[05:26] <randabis> sal002: refer to this entry in the wiki: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:26] <lunitik> Guilmon: funniest thing is... you cared about it enough to tell us all about it... good job...
[05:26] <Guilmon> lunitik: someone mentioned #debian ;)
[05:26] <jamminpotato> waht if the drive is two NTFS partitions and i want to shrink one and make a FAT32 partition...is that possible?
[05:26] <Guilmon> lunitik: It might have a higher channel count, but it doesn't level out when it comes to support/and community.
[05:26] <randabis> that page tells you how to enable the root account, but I don't recommend you do that...sudo is more secure
[05:26] <geppy> HrdwrBoB: I can't seem to find it in the man page;  would you happen to know the syntax for finding the length of a .wav file in milleseconds?
[05:27] <Nekohayo> jamminpotato, you said limewire is the worst, not counting bittorrent.. why's that?
[05:27] <jamminpotato> no isaid it was the least worst
[05:27] <sal002> Oh, yes...the wiki...need to look there
[05:27] <jamminpotato> BT rocks
[05:27] <Nekohayo> ok, misunderstood
[05:27] <jamminpotato> limewwire has the smallest amount.if any, spyware of most of hte p2p apps
[05:27] <synd> what about emule
[05:28] <Arnia> BT = British Telecom to me... oooh... bittorrent :)
[05:28] <Nekohayo> or BaconTomato
[05:28] <synd> i miss acquisition on my mac : (
[05:28] <Guilmon> hmm
[05:28] <randabis> jamminpotato: the ntfs partition you resize would need to be at the end of the hard drive...you can't just make partitions in the middle of a drive
[05:28] <smouche> now, I know I must be blind, but I can't find anything in the system tools or admin menus for administering users and groups; I've got kuser, of course, but I was hoping there'd be something in gnome specifically
[05:28] <Guilmon> is there a way to tell what package a file comes from?
[05:28] <smouche> kuser hates me.
[05:28] <Guilmon> LeeJunFan: Gee, my first thought is BitTorrent ;)
[05:28] <jamminpotato> i have a 8 gig partition that win is on, its first, then i have a 10 gig unused partition...could i just delete that and use it
[05:29] <Guilmon> hmm
[05:29] <jamminpotato> cause i remember when iuused suse it wanted to be the first partition
[05:29] <Guilmon> can dpkg help me, or am I missing it in the manpage?
[05:29] <LeeJunFan> Guilmon: well, get your mind in the gutter - will you? :)
[05:29] <Guilmon> LeeJunFan: heh.
[05:29] <randabis> jamminpotato: you can use the 10 gig partition
[05:29] <jamminpotato> cool
[05:29] <randabis> linux isn't like windows...it can be installed anywhere on a drive
[05:30] <randabis> as long as it has its own partition
[05:30] <jamminpotato> just to clairfy my computer does have more than 20gigs totalt space, it roginally had twenty becasue thats the only drive i had around when i bult me box but the ni bought a 160 and didnt fel liek norton ghosting or anything so the 20 tstill ahs windows onit
[05:30] <jldugger> maybe not even then ;)
[05:30] <LeeJunFan> randabis: or on a CD, or on a USB drive, or jumpdrive, or eprom, :)
[05:30] <randabis> LeeJunFan: yes :)
[05:31] <geneo93> randabis:  windows can be installed any where also
[05:31] <jldugger> ive only got ten gigs and right now im using half that
[05:31] <LeeJunFan> geneo93: I'll tell you where you can install windows :)
[05:31] <jldugger> though if i decide to buy ut2k4 something will have to change
[05:31] <smouche> heh, could I use an Archos jukebox to boot with?
[05:31] <geneo93> LeeJunFan:  not here thats for sure
[05:32] <randabis> smouche: if you formatted it probably so
[05:32] <randabis> geneo93: in most cases, you're right
[05:32] <sal002> what is the gnome meta package in warty?
[05:32] <smouche> hmmm-- it's a sucky player, but it has 20 gigs and smells like burning plastic.  Might be good for something...
[05:32] <randabis> sal002: ubuntu-desktop or gnome-core
[05:33] <randabis> depends on how much you want
[05:33] <lunitik> sal002: 'gnome-desktop-environment' ... or 'gnome-core' ... depending on how minimal you want it,...
[05:33] <sal002> I want it all ;)
[05:33] <randabis> sal002: go ahead and do ubuntu-desktop then
[05:33] <Astrak> hi all
[05:34] <geneo93> sal002:  that big one includes OO and emacs
[05:34] <synd> yay hoary's done! time to reboot
[05:34] <nealmcb> how do I boot hoary-live with an integrity check?
[05:34] <jbailey> Guilmon: "dpkg -s"
[05:34] <jbailey> Guilmon: Err. -S
[05:35] <mdz> nealmcb: what sort of integrity check?
[05:35] <Guilmon> jbailey: oh. Thank you very much. Looks like I must have installed manually and set the wrong path :/
[05:35] <nealmcb> mdz: I want to check that the burn was good.  I'm getting a "failed to copy file from cdrom" error on boot
[05:35] <mdz> nealmcb: you might be able to run the standard CD integrity check in expert mode, but it won't mean much on the live CD
[05:35] <mdz> it won't check the live CD data, only the bootstrap packages
[05:36] <mdz> nealmcb: if you're getting an error like that, it's very likely that the burn is bad
[05:36] <lunitik> sal002: ahh... the gnome meta packages are all in universe...
[05:37] <smouche> lord, in neither kubuntu nor gnome am I being allowed to add new users, or change passwords.  Things are seriously fucked...
[05:37] <nealmcb> mdz: hmmm - knoppix has always had a nice way on live boot to check the cdrom.  What does cdrom-checker do if not that?
[05:38] <nealmcb> mdz: from this page I get the sense that a cd can be burned to always check integrity.  but perhaps not as an option?  odd...  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehogBurnDetection/view?searchterm=cdrom-checker
[05:38] <mdz> nealmcb: it checks the install CD
[05:39] <geppy> Anyone know how to determine the length, in milliseconds, of an audio file?
[05:39] <mdz> nealmcb: that page is about trying to differentiate between pressed CDs and CD-Rs
[05:39] <danikata> i cant read my usb drive, how to set up?
[05:40] <mathmatt> smouche: what happens from System->Users and Groups?
[05:40] <mathmatt> smouche: in gnome
[05:40] <mdz> nealmcb: hmm, in fact cdrom-checker will check the live CD data, now that I look
[05:41] <nealmcb> mdz: yeah, but with the goal of checking integrity.  why would live cds not have that option?  what were you  saying about doing  it in expert mode?
[05:42] <mdz> nealmcb: the reason why the live CD might not have that option is because it might not be implemented yet
[05:42] <geneo93> nealmcb:  thats what md5sum is for
[05:42] <jamminpotato> how hard is it to upgrade from warty to hoary?
[05:42] <smouche> mathmatt, I have no System- Users and Groups
[05:43] <Astrak> smouche, try with 'adduser' from console
[05:43] <nealmcb> geneo93: in the past I've seen lots of problems getting a repeatable md5sum on a cdrom image - reading the exact number of bytes can be hard and depends on the hardware as I recall
[05:43] <sal002> Why won't ubuntu-desktop install from CD?
[05:44] <geneo93> sudo before that though
[05:44] <smouche> mathmatt, I guess I need to check synaptic; maybe I just assumed all that stuff was included when i installed gnome-desktop environment... maybe stuff needs to be added
[05:44] <Astrak> sure
[05:44] <smouche> Astrak, thank you, I know about adduser, but I really prefer a gui for this.
[05:44] <mdz> nealmcb: at the "boot:" prompt, type "live-expert"
[05:44] <mdz> nealmcb: you should be able to run an integrity check from there
[05:44] <Astrak> does it work from console?
[05:44] <UbuRC1> hello
[05:45] <UbuRC1> im on RC1 now, has a few bugs
[05:45] <UbuRC1> very nice, much nicer than Preview
[05:45] <nealmcb> mdz: I'll look again - but don't remember it being obvious the first time around (though I wasn't looking for it then)
[05:45] <dayson> in fstab for bootup I want to add a ext3 partion from another drive how do I let me have write privilages?
[05:45] <nealmcb> mdz: thanks for the  help though!
[05:45] <mdz> nealmcb: I just checked; it's there
[05:45] <mathmatt> smouche: hoary has this
[05:46] <Astrak> if it works from console then system/Administration/Users and groups should do
[05:46] <nealmcb> mdz: I just saw it also - many thanks!!
[05:46] <smouche> my menus are really sparse when it comes to gnome stuff; it's mostly kde.  Gnome-control-panel has no users and groups admin either... I guess throwing gnome into kubuntu is just confusing things
[05:46] <chris> anyone willing to help with a hd install issue?
[05:46] <dem> kubuntu is the devil
[05:47] <dem> ever since kubuntu took over k3b, no more mp3 support
[05:47] <randabis> kubuntu rocks my socks
[05:47] <Dae|pussy^2> f
[05:47] <randabis> uh, you can burn mp3 with k3b
[05:47] <smouche> dem, why no mp3?  I don't know about k3b, but, unlike "standard" ubuntu, kubuntu supports mp3 out of the box.
[05:48] <nealmcb> mdz: bingo.  I'll try burning for the  third time, more slowly....
[05:48] <dem> i know now hoary, when i added k3b, no more mp3 burning  support
[05:48] <smouche> i'm gonna do another apt-get update and take an advil...
[05:48] <dem> but it works in warty
[05:49] <randabis> dem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22766
[05:50] <libben> I can kill this update-notifier --sm-config-prefix /update-,.. bla bla? but how do i remove it so it wont be launched everytime i start gnome?
[05:50] <mdz> UbuRC1: all non-trivial software has bugs; the idea of a release is to not have any show-stopper bugs ;-)
[05:51] <chris> i have a drive set up as an lvm volume from a previous FC3 install - and it won't mount under Ubuntu - anyone know how I can mount it?
[05:52] <CheeseBall> does anyone know how to make my back button work in firefox in ubuntu
[05:53] <cartel_> hey all
[05:53] <cartel_> need help
[05:53] <cartel_> :)
[05:53] <jldugger> CheeseBall, you click on it
[05:53] <geppy> CheeseBall: Press the one that looks like "<--" =P
[05:53] <CheeseBall> on my mouse
[05:53] <CheeseBall> hahaha
[05:53] <CheeseBall> sryt
[05:53] <CheeseBall> it opens a link and does not go back
[05:53] <cartel_> im trying to configure xorg with fglrx
[05:53] <cartel_> i am using
[05:53] <CheeseBall> i cant figure out how to remap my buttons
[05:53] <smouche> uh, help-- I just added a user using the cli and "adduser" -- but I want the new user to have sudo privileges-- how do I do that/
[05:53] <geppy> Hmm, I'd try about:config
[05:53] <smouche> ?
[05:54] <cartel_> kernel 2.6.11-1-k7, but i cant find fglrx module ??
[05:54] <geppy> CheeseBall:  I can't find anything like "back" in the GNOME keyboard shortcuts stuff
[05:54] <CheeseBall> i cant either
[05:55] <i3dmaster> Anyone use deb-install? This guy by default installs package to /usr/local but I just want it to install to /usr? how to configure it?
[05:55] <CheeseBall> linux registers the button but the wrong function is assigned to it
[05:55] <CheeseBall> i3dmaster, sry cant help
[05:55] <cartel_> linux-restricted-modules-k7
[05:55] <smouche> Cheeseball, the back button may mysteriously start working the next time you upgrade; it's been off and on for me, weird-- anyway, Alt, left should work too
[05:55] <CheeseBall> thanks a ton
[05:55] <CheeseBall> hahaha
[05:56] <i3dmaster> CheeseBall: I am sorry?
[05:56] <cartel_> wants to downgrade me to 2.6.10
[05:56] <cartel_> oh well
[05:56] <smouche> firefox has been flaky lately.
[05:56] <CheeseBall> i cant help ya im too new to this stuff
[05:56] <CheeseBall> hahaha
[05:56] <cartel_> ok brb
[05:57] <Quest-Master> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=110847 <-- help! :P
[05:57] <i3dmaster> oh well that's ok. I am sure someone will..
[05:57] <wastrel> helloooo.  trying to print handouts from a ppt file using oo.org impress, i want to print 3 per page but they're half the possible size and illegible.  anyone know how to increase the size in the handout layout template
[05:58] <smouche> Does anyone know if there's a way to turn off the animation on window minimizing without affecting other eye candy?  These thick black bars flashing at me are getting annoying
[05:59] <geneo93> hmm back button works here in firefox
[05:59] <smouche> CheeseBall, hoary or warty?  I think warty has an older firefox...
[06:00] <geppy> What command-line tool can I use to determine the length of an audio file in milliseconds? I'll be using .wav, .ogg,, .mp3, .flac, etc, but I can convert easily enough between those.
[06:00] <kbrede> my sym link /dev/pilot to /.dev/ttyUSB1 gets removed after reboot, any clue why and how to make this link persist?
[06:01] <CheeseBall> anyone know GTKPod?
[06:01] <CheeseBall> hoary
[06:01] <CheeseBall> sry
[06:01] <CheeseBall> warty
[06:02] <Xira> i don't think there's that many warty users here
[06:02] <Xira> <.<
[06:02] <CheeseBall> how do you upgrade to warty
[06:02] <CheeseBall> hoary
[06:02] <CheeseBall> and is it stable
[06:02] <wastrel> i'm using the earlier one whichever that is.
[06:02] <CheeseBall> warty
[06:02] <geppy> CheeseBall: Wait a couple of weeks, it'll be released finally.
[06:02] <CheeseBall> coo
[06:03] <Xeon3D> CheeseBall,  you uncomment \ add the hoary repositories... and do a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:03] <wastrel> they couldn't have named them alphabetically :] 
[06:03] <CheeseBall> thanks
[06:03] <geneo93> its stable now just a few bugs is all
[06:03] <calc> CheeseBall: hoary release in 7 days
[06:03] <Xeon3D> I think I'll reinstall hoary on this PC
[06:03] <Xeon3D> can't wait a week.. and hoary preview works nicely for me.
[06:04] <calc> aiui hoary rc was supposed to be released today
[06:04] <wastrel> woo 7 days jolly
[06:04] <sal002> anyone here use enlightenment?
[06:04] <CheeseBall> one last problem is that in GTKPod i cant get the program to save my playlist, so everytime i restart the program I have to re-add the directorya nd it takes like 15 to re-scan my mp3s
[06:04] <calc> yea the rc is out now
[06:04] <wastrel> and apt-get update; apt-get upgrade will do me after the release?  or will i have to dist-upgrade
[06:05] <cartel_> hmm
[06:05] <calc> wastrel: if you are already running hoary then upgrade should be enough
[06:05] <calc> wastrel: otherwise to go from warty->hoary you may want to run dist-upgrade
[06:05] <cartel_> ok, i have fglrx again
[06:05] <cartel_> but still picks up mesa
[06:05] <randabis> http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/
[06:05] <randabis> rc1 was released today
[06:05] <geppy> Anyone in here know of a command-line tool that can ascertain the length of an audio file in milliseconds?
[06:06] <calc> geppy: sox might be able to
[06:06] <gratuit> geppy: I think sox can do that
[06:06] <Astrak> gotta go
[06:06] <Astrak> see you guys
[06:06] <calc> depends on the audio type though
[06:06] <geppy> I looked in the man page, but couldn't find out how.
[06:06] <calc> xiph has a tool for ogg vorbis files
[06:06] <geppy> I can convert between audio types, that's no problem.
[06:07] <geppy> I'd be interested in both sox and this xiph tool;  could I have more information on either?
[06:07] <PirateWIll> hi
[06:07] <calc> iirc for xiph its called ogginfo
[06:07] <santiago> hi, is there a package that includes the support for mp3 and video codecs?
[06:07] <geppy> calc:  ooh, fantastic!
[06:07] <geppy> calc: Thanks!
[06:07] <calc> yea it does eg 71m:51.955s
[06:07] <geppy> Yeah. =)
[06:07] <geppy> What would be the syntax for sox?
[06:08] <calc> not sure about sox, i was just guessing that there is some way to extract the info from it
[06:08] <smouche> santiago, take a look at www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:08] <cartel_> grrrr
[06:08] <santiago> smouche, let's see
[06:09] <cartel_> !seen daniels
[06:09] <randabis> santiago: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[06:09] <gratuit> geppy: worst case scenario, convert it to a .wav with a know precision and sample frequency and check out the file size
[06:09] <santiago> randabis, warty
[06:09] <calc> if you know the format and container overhead you can calculate the length of wav files as well
[06:09] <smouche> you'll need to add repositories, etc.  That page is worth reading top to bottom
[06:09] <cartel_> grr
[06:10] <randabis> santiago: ah...that's too bad. If you were running hoary, I could have provided you with a script that does exactly what you want to do
[06:10] <randabis> and a lot more
[06:10] <santiago> randabis, mmm :(
[06:10] <smouche> I can't play tunes via Samba from my windows network in gnome; what a drag; back to kubuntu till I install whatever I need for gnome...
[06:11] <calc> i think sox stat might tell you
[06:11] <randabis> people doing fresh installs of hoary might want to check this out: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
[06:11] <cartel_> (EE) fglrx(0): [agp]  unable to acquire AGP, error "xf86_ENOMEM"
[06:11] <cartel_> (EE) fglrx(0): cannot init AGP
[06:11] <cartel_> :(
[06:12] <calc> yea it tells you length
[06:12] <calc> geppy: use sox filename -e stat
[06:12] <calc> cd
[06:12] <calc> oops
[06:12] <geppy> calc: Thanks!
[06:13] <calc> geppy: that also works for ogg files
[06:13] <hybrid> hello
[06:13] <randabis> hi
[06:13] <geppy> calc: _Much_ thanks! =D
[06:13] <calc> ogginfo gives other interesting data as well, but just for length sox will work for all the audio formats it supports
[06:13] <hybrid> randabis!! long time no see
[06:13] <geppy> Does sox do flac/mp3?
[06:14] <sal002> Where does Ubuntu pull in which window manager to use?  I want to make it open an eterm session with the window manager
[06:14] <andrewski> sal002: login to enlightenment from gdm?
[06:14] <randabis> hybrid: good to see you
[06:14] <smouche> I'm trying to switch users and start a kde session without ending this one, but when I switch to the new user I don't know how to start the gui, other than "startx", which of course won't work cause it's already running...
[06:14] <smouche> what do I do?
[06:15] <hybrid> randabis how is life treating you
[06:15] <sal002> andrewski: No just from startx
[06:15] <mak> I need to connect my PC to dial-up connection, and I don't know how....
[06:15] <mak> help
[06:15] <mak> ?
[06:15] <randabis> pretty well...I'm going to trucking school this monday...hehe
[06:15] <chavo> smouche, startx -- :1
[06:15] <randabis> I'll be back
[06:15] <chavo> will open a new display
[06:15] <andrewski> sal002: put the wm in your .xsession
[06:15] <randabis> just a minute
[06:15] <smouche> thanks chavo... trying that now...
[06:16] <mak> hello?
[06:16] <`1pt-rich> how do i install the 686 kernel instead of the 386 kernel?
[06:16] <mak> please...I need help
[06:16] <hybrid> randabis cool did you ever get that last job? man i havent been on in forever because my logic board broken and i tried to fix it alone for a week before i sent it to apple :P
[06:16] <mak> egh.
[06:16] <gratuit> sal002: if you use the .xsession approach then you havce to selesct "Default System Session" from gdm I believe
[06:17] <libben> what do i need to download to get totem to play my dvd movie?
[06:17] <sal002> Don't have GDM installed, yet
[06:17] <smouche> cool, chavo, that worked!  but it logged me into gnome; what I really wanted is a fresh log-in screen so the other user could log in to kde
[06:17] <libben> it says it supports it when i look on it in synaptic
[06:17] <gratuit> libben: totem-xine would be my advice
[06:18] <libben> gratuit, yeah it said soo...
[06:18] <chavo> smouche, you use gdm?
[06:18] <libben> but i cant find any totem-xine in synaptic
[06:18] <smouche> chavo. I think kubuntu is running the log-ins -- yes, I'm sure it is.
[06:18] <gratuit> sal002: well, then I think .xsession is used by startx now too
[06:18] <mak> um....what do I need to do to connect to the internet on my PC with dial-up? Can seomeone help?
[06:18] <smouche> kubuntu log-in wallpaper anyway
[06:19] <sal002> yep - it si
[06:19] <libben> how do i get synapt to find totem-xine
[06:19] <chavo> smouche, kubuntu uses kdm by default.
[06:19] <gratuit> libben: you would have to add the universe packages
[06:19] <smouche> yes, chavo; I installed gnome into kubuntu
[06:20] <hybrid> lol
[06:20] <gratuit> libben: you could try the script that someone pasted a little while back, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
[06:20] <Dreamer3> wow
[06:20] <Dreamer3> fell asleep
[06:20] <Dreamer3> hoary is stil installing
[06:20] <Dreamer3> sheesh
[06:21] <mak> what program or something like that do I need to use to connect to my dial-up ISP?
[06:21] <Dreamer3> better be good
[06:21] <Dreamer3> mak: pppd?
[06:21] <mak> someone please help...
[06:21] <mak> pppd
[06:21] <mak> ?
[06:21] <mak> what's the command for that?
[06:21] <hybrid> Dreamer3 hoary is nice
[06:21] <hyphenated> I'd recommend kppp, for a newbie
[06:21] <Dreamer3> hybrid: i hope so
[06:21] <Xeon3D> bbiam
[06:21] <Dreamer3> hybrid: i woke up and it was asking me what to do with hdparm.conf....
[06:22] <Dreamer3> so now it's back into the install
[06:22] <mak> how do I get to kppp?
[06:22] <Dreamer3> mak: sudo apt-get install kppp?
[06:23] <smouche> sheesh, someone told me having both gnome and kde on one system would be easy, but it seems to be a pain in the ass ... I think I'll just do a full install of gnome hoary on another partition, while I make up my mind
[06:23] <jsgotangco> lol
[06:24] <mak> Dreamer3=my compy couldn't find "package kppp", are there any other alterntatives?
[06:24] <andrewski> smouche: what's so hard about it?
[06:24] <chavo> smouche, it's not that difficult
[06:24] <Dreamer3> mak: oh, maybe that isn't the name of it
[06:24] <Dreamer3> mak: use synaptic or aptitude and browse the kde packages
[06:24] <smouche> something's screwed up on my system.
[06:24] <mak> I don't have KDE I have Gnome
[06:24] <chavo> smouche, you're in KDE now?
[06:24] <mak> never bothered installing KDE
[06:24] <geppy> Any good GNOME Rss readers?  Preferably an applet, or a Gdesklet.
[06:24] <sal002> changing repositories from warty to hoary and doing an apt-get update ; apt-get upghrade should upgrade nicely to hoary?
[06:24] <geppy> *RSS
[06:25] <GhostFreeman> who runs two clocks on their GNOME?
[06:25] <geppy> GhostFreeman: Almost everyone, it's incredibly useful.
[06:25] <zerokarmaleft> geppy: straw or blam!
[06:25] <smouche> anyway, kde handles my touchpad very well, I get all kinds of errors from gnome; switching sessions is not working well, something's amiss
[06:25] <geppy> zerokarmaleft: Thanks! =)
[06:25] <GhostFreeman> what you run for the second one, GMT or Internet time
[06:25] <chavo> I've got threee clocks!!!
[06:25] <geppy> GhostFreeman: GMT
[06:25] <Dreamer3> shessh
[06:26] <zerokarmaleft> geppy: haven't seen a decent gdesklet
[06:26] <GhostFreeman> I just set up an extra one for GMT
[06:26] <Dreamer3> getmail has been mailing me logs of it's results every 5 minutes, not what i had in mind
[06:26] <geppy> GhostFreeman: On the other hand, I have tons of friends in Northern Ireland, so it actually is damned useful.
[06:26] <`1pt-rich> how do i install the 686 kernel instead of the 386 kernel?
[06:26] <hyphenated> mak: so use gnome-ppp ?
[06:26] <cartel_> w00t! i have it all working
[06:26] <geppy> zerokarmaleft: Eh, an applet is probably more useful, albeit less pretty. =)
[06:26] <smouche> I had no problems switching between xfce and kde...
[06:27] <andrewski> smouche: you should just stick with xfce and keep kde if you must. :P
[06:28] <smouche> Samba is no fuss no muss with my kde, but gnome is having problems with it; not laming gnome here, it just seems like there's a lot of extra configuring I have to do in gnome; didn't have these issues with gnome warty on another machine...
[06:28] <mak> hyphenated: where do I find gnome ppp?
[06:28] <smouche> "not blaming" I meant
[06:28] <Dreamer3> sheesh 12mb of mail
[06:28] <rodnarms> what is the best graphical ftp client to use?
[06:28] <hyphenated> mak: apt-cache search
[06:28] <geppy> rodnarms: gftp
[06:28] <zerokarmaleft> geppy: but then your feeds wouldn't be indexable by beagle :p
[06:29] <rodnarms> thanks geppy
[06:29] <geppy> zerokarmaleft: haha... Is Beagle possibly going to make it into Breezy?
[06:29] <Dreamer3> sheesh
[06:29] <geppy> rodnarms: No problem.
[06:29] <Dreamer3> upgrading debian takes FOREVER
[06:29] <hybrid> lol
[06:29] <hybrid> yes it does
[06:29] <sal002> okay - anyone running e17 from CVS?
[06:29] <Dreamer3> and i thought windows was bad
[06:29] <zerokarmaleft> geppy: depends on how the mono packaging situation resolves
[06:29] <hybrid> lol
[06:29] <Dreamer3> i was going to compare this to a XP SP2 install, but i think windows has it beat
[06:30] <geppy> zerokarmaleft: Oh, yeah.
[06:30] <hybrid> Dreamer3 soooooooo many packages
[06:30] <blackdog2> Hello all. I have a strange issue with Hoary and CD mounting and unmounting. I'm trying to install using CVScedega and when I have to change disk, I usually right click EJECT. Its refusing to umount the drive. Worked fine the other day
[06:30] <andrewski> Dreamer3: try upgrading gentoo. :P
[06:30] <Dreamer3> hybrid: yeah lik 700/800 here
[06:30] <rodnarms> gftp=excellent. thanks again
[06:30] <ice_1963>  Release Candidate  is a new one ?????
[06:30] <Dreamer3> andrewski: gentoo doens't have "released" per se, does it?
[06:31] <rodnarms> another question. if you have updated ubuntu hoary, that means you are running the release candidate right?
[06:31] <andrewski> Dreamer3: well, it has different branches, but even still, if you go a week or two without re-emerging, it can be quite a pain, even for around 600 packages.  but, as you see, i'm on ubuntu now... and that's for a reason. :)
[06:32] <GhostFreeman> What's Ubuntu's plans for TCG?
[06:32] <andrewski> Dreamer3: branches == (roughly) "stable" and "current"
[06:32] <Dreamer3> andrewski: yes, i used gentoo long ago... back when i had more free time than sense
[06:32] <hybrid> Dreamer3 thing is tho when bemdy comes out i will update
[06:32] <andrewski> Dreamer3: well put, IMO. :)
[06:32] <andrewski> hybrid: bemdy?
[06:32] <sal002> Oh - is Sempron a K6 or K7 for the kernel?
[06:32] <Xira> andrewski, are you the same andrewski from neowin?
[06:32] <hybrid> **bendy
[06:32] <Dreamer3> andrewski: i credit it as the distro that "taught me" linux though
[06:32] <andrewski> hybrid: bendy? :P
[06:32] <andrewski> Dreamer3: yeah, me too.
[06:32] <hybrid> lol
[06:33] <zerokarmaleft> Dreamer3: same here
[06:33] <GhostFreeman> does Ubuntu have plans for TCG or is that a decision up to Debian?
[06:33] <andrewski> Xira: no.
[06:33] <Xira> wtf is TCG?
[06:33] <hybrid> andrewski yes accourding to tritium bendy is the next realse
[06:33] <GhostFreeman> Trusted Computing Group
[06:33] <hybrid> release**
[06:33] <andrewski> hybrid: ah, ok.  i heard it was grumpy?
[06:33] <Dreamer3> andrewski: so obviously it has it's place :)  and i worked on the firebird ebuild long long ago :)
[06:34] <andrewski> Dreamer3: yeah, i did appreciate the open user input for packages.  i wish ubuntu had that.
[06:34] <geppy> zerokarmaleft: Are you running straw?  It doesn't properly resolve its dependencies, so I'm left with a "ImportError: No module named gtkhtml2", but installing gtkhtml2 doesn't actually fix that.
[06:34] <hybrid> andrewski idk i thought it was somethong else but i got talked out of it
[06:34] <rodnarms> is the candidate release for ubuntu the same as an ugraded hoary?
[06:34] <andrewski> hybrid: well, i heard it all on here, so who knows. :P
[06:34] <tritium> rodnarms, yes
[06:34] <andrewski> rodnarms: yes.
[06:34] <libben> i got error when i did that magical file for noobs
[06:34] <hybrid> lol
[06:34] <Dreamer3> andrewski: why?
[06:34] <libben> it seems like it updated my list file with universe and all that
[06:35] <Dreamer3> andrewski: ubuntu packages are mostly straight debian (except for main)
[06:35] <andrewski> Dreamer3: because there are packages not in universe that i wish were.
[06:35] <zerokarmaleft> geppy: i tried straw back when i was still running warty, so can't relate
[06:35] <geppy> zerokarmaleft: Oh, alright.  Thanks anyhow, Blam is working fine. =)
[06:35] <hybrid> how do i install an .deb package
[06:35] <zerokarmaleft> geppy: i'm using blam! at the moment
[06:35] <hybrid> ie opera deb
[06:35] <rodnarms> great
[06:35] <blackdog2> dpkg -i name.deb
[06:35] <Dreamer3> andrewski: then becomse a debian package maintainer :)
[06:35] <Dreamer3> andrewski: and add the
[06:35] <Dreamer3> andrewski: and add them
[06:35] <rodnarms> id like to know when someday someone is going to build flash for ppc
[06:36] <hybrid> blackdog2: ok thanks does that work if it is already on my comp
[06:36] <andrewski> Dreamer3: that's not the easiest thing in the world to do, nor is making packages. :)
[06:36] <Burgundavia> andrewski: what packages?
[06:36] <Dreamer3> andrewski: making packages isn't hard once you get the hang of it... and cheating (for personal use) with checkinstall or simliar isn't hard at ALL
[06:36] <andrewski> Burgundavia: wmctrl, expocity, svg-utils, various other little things.
[06:36] <hybrid> rodnarms : we are a minority flash among other things arent available but with demand they wikk be ~sigh~
[06:37] <andrewski> Dreamer3: yeah, i've thought of using checkinstall for a theme i work on.
[06:37] <Dreamer3> andrewski: you'd learn more by actually packaging it :)
[06:37] <rodnarms> hybrid, where to I submist my request ;)
[06:37] <Burgundavia> andrewski: compile a complete list and email me at corey.burger@gmail.com
[06:38] <geppy> zerokarmaleft: Hrmm, do you know of any Atom readers?
[06:38] <andrewski> Dreamer3: true, but i haven't gotten it done yet. :P
[06:38] <Burgundavia> andrewski: I will see that they get added to the to do list
[06:38] <andrewski> Burgundavia: really.  that'd be great, thanks.
[06:38] <Dreamer3> sheesh, and still upgrading :(
[06:38] <Burgundavia> andrewski: no problem
[06:38] <Dreamer3> i'm starting to wonder
[06:38] <andrewski> Burgundavia: you a dev?
[06:38] <Burgundavia> andrewski: not really
[06:38] <dravine> good evening folks
[06:39] <hybrid> rodnarms : try macromedia's site ppc sites ppc channels and forums
[06:39] <zerokarmaleft> Dreamer3: is there a ubuntu-specific packaging guide?  or is following the debian guidelines good enough
[06:39] <Lathiat> is array-7 the preview release or something before?
[06:39] <andrewski> zerokarmaleft: debian guidelines are what i've been pointed to a number of times.
[06:39] <zerokarmaleft> geppy: none off the top of my head
[06:39] <Dreamer3> zerokarmaleft: well, i don't know that you can just get a package into ubuntu like that... you'd have to go through the debian process
[06:39] <GhostFreeman> is there anyway to author SWF files in Linux
[06:39] <dravine> does the update-manager seem a bit sluggish to anyone on 5.04?
[06:39] <Dreamer3> zerokarmaleft: unless your special and working on something non-debianish for main
[06:39] <geppy> zerokarmaleft: Ah, nevermind, I think blogstreet.com will do the trick of converting for me. =)
[06:39] <Burgundavia> anybody who wants to see a package in ubuntu that isn't there, email me at corey.burge@gmail.com
[06:40] <andrewski> corey.burger?
[06:40] <geppy> Burgundavia: Beagle?
[06:40] <Burgundavia> geppy: already on the way
[06:40] <Dreamer3> Burgundavia: i'd like a package for the 2.0 kernel *laughs*
[06:40] <andrewski> heh
[06:40] <geppy> Burgundavia: Into Universe?
[06:40] <randabis> I want a 2.7 kernel lolz
[06:40] <Burgundavia> geppy: almost certainly for breezy, the next release
[06:40] <blackdog2> Heh, fix wine in universe.. its borked
[06:40] <dravine> I got one
[06:40] <geppy> Burgundavia: Awesome, thanks!
[06:40] <dravine> Opie
[06:40] <dravine> opie.handhelds.org
[06:40] <dravine> ;)
[06:40] <geppy> blackdog2: winehq provides Ubuntu debs
[06:40] <jsgotangco> Opie...
[06:41] <randabis> geppy beat me to it :/
[06:41] <andrewski> Burgundavia: corey.burger or corey.burge?
[06:41] <randabis> oh well
[06:41] <geppy> randabis: haha =)
[06:41] <dravine> jsgotangco, ill-fated?
[06:41] <jsgotangco> dravine: it just died a few months ago
[06:41] <ian> yay i installed ubuntu and itrs dual booting with xp
[06:41] <libben> any good irc client to recomend?
[06:41] <randabis> I'd like to see an UPDATED zsnes package personally
[06:42] <geppy> libben: irc?  Gaim?
[06:42] <jsgotangco> i used to be active in oz development
[06:42] <dravine> jsgotangco, that sucks man, I love my sl-5500
[06:42] <Burgundavia> andrewski: corey.burger
[06:42] <geppy> randabis: hahaha
[06:42] <andrewski> libben: xchat, irssi.
[06:42] <Jamminpotato> yay
[06:42] <andrewski> Burgundavia: ok, thanks.
[06:42] <randabis> konversation is good too :)
[06:42] <dravine> man, I should have removed open office before I did the update.
[06:42] <libben> gaim for irc? lol... using xchat now... i like it... if it werent for it clipping the end on some lines.. sometimes i dont see the last char in a line
[06:42] <andrewski> Burgundavia: do you want websites?
[06:42] <Burgundavia> andrewski: anything you can give me is good
[06:43] <andrewski> Burgundavia: okey-dokey.
[06:43] <dravine> xchat has never treated me badly
[06:43] <Jamminpotato> x chat = love
[06:43] <zerokarmaleft> randabis: ditto on zsnes
[06:43] <Jamminpotato> jamminpotato it my name-o and being a n00b is my gameo
[06:43] <libben> right now, i missed the "y" on dravines word badly
[06:43] <libben> y
[06:43] <libben> hmm
[06:43] <randabis> I like xchat, but I think I like konversation better
[06:44] <andrewski> randabis: but it uses Qt... blech.
[06:44] <randabis> I'm running kde, so go figure
[06:44] <Dreamer3> hmmmmmmmmm
[06:44] <hybrid> irssi
[06:44] <Dreamer3> my drive spin-up-rate and g-sense-error's are changing
[06:44] <dravine> heh
[06:44] <Dreamer3> thinks that's bad?
[06:44] <dayson> hey how do I add mp3 support to ubuntu?
[06:44] <Fackamato> dayson: read the forums
[06:44] <andrewski> dayson: ubuntuguide.org has it too
[06:45] <randabis> apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:45] <regeya_> I thought gstreamer had replaygain handling...
[06:45] <regeya_> guh.
[06:45] <libben> hmm... dvd is playing choppy... but not soo bad.
[06:46] <blackdog2> Hal is being used for the automounter correct?
[06:46] <andrewski> what's that expos-like task switcher that's not expocity?
[06:46] <Dreamer3> andrewski: *listens*
[06:47] <andrewski> Dreamer3: eh?
[06:47] <regeya_> oh heh...I don't think my files were all 'gained. :-}
[06:47] <tritium> libben, do you have dma enabled on your dvd drive?
[06:48] <libben> how do i check that?
[06:48] <tritium> libben, with hdparm
[06:48] <geppy> libben: sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdX
[06:48] <GhostFreeman> i'd like to see more audio players that aren't XMMS with a pretty skin
[06:49] <geppy> GhostFreeman: rhythmbox
[06:49] <Jamminpotato> ubuntu wont mount my usb thumbdrive...says it doesnt knwo the filesystem type and none is specified how wouldi fix that?
[06:49] <geppy> Jamminpotato: Find out the filesystem type?
[06:49] <zerokarmaleft> andrewski: luminocity?
[06:49] <libben> how do i check what hdX my dvd rom is?
[06:49] <demism_> anyone know how to change the duplex from half to full or vice versa?
[06:49] <Jamminpotato> geppy: i know that tiem but that doesnt hlep me box does it?
[06:49] <andrewski> zerokarmaleft: no, it's just a task switcher, not a whole WM.
[06:49] <Quest-Master> Is mplayer-686 in Hoary broken?
[06:49] <geppy> Jamminpotato: Help you box?
[06:49] <geppy> Jamminpotato: What?
[06:50] <geppy> Jamminpotato: find out the filesystem type, and I can give you the mount arguments.
[06:50] <Jamminpotato> its fat16
[06:50] <libben> /dev/hdc on /media/cdrom0 type udf
[06:50] <GhostFreeman> rhythmbox is ok but I'd like to see a freeform audio player in the likeness of Winamp 5
[06:50] <geppy> Jamminpotato: fat16?
[06:50] <libben> sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc ??? is that right ? i put the c there hdc
[06:50] <blackdog2> libben: I never got totem to work right. I installed totem-xine. Works good for me
[06:50] <geppy> Jamminpotato: They make flash drives that are fat16 formatted?
[06:50] <Jamminpotato> geppy:rgr
[06:50] <zerokarmaleft> andrewski: but not expocity? hrmmm
[06:50] <Jamminpotato> im rpety sure
[06:50] <andrewski> zerokarmaleft: http://thegraveyard.org/skippy.php
[06:50] <Jamminpotato> its fat i know that much and im pretty usre its 16
[06:51] <libben> blackdog2, i have totem-xine installed...
[06:51] <geppy> Jamminpotato: mount -f vfat /dev/sda1 <mountpoint>
[06:51] <libben> but totem get launched automatic when i put the dvd in
[06:51] <geppy> Dreamer3: Don't count on it.
[06:51] <kurros> geppy: i'm not sure there are any that aren't
[06:51] <geppy> kurros: Eh?
[06:51] <geppy> Oh, releases that aren't worth it?
[06:52] <Dreamer3> geppy: *laughs*
[06:52] <Dreamer3> geppy: why?
[06:52] <Dreamer3> geppy: warty was good
[06:52] <geppy> Dreamer3: Oh, you're talking about stable Hoary.
[06:52] <geppy> Dreamer3: I thought that you were talking about installing it now.
[06:52] <Dreamer3> geppy: i'm installing it now :) it's RC
[06:52] <geppy> Dreamer3: Yeah, Hoary is ber-sexy.
[06:52] <geppy> Dreamer3: =)
[06:52] <geppy> 'night, all
[06:52] <Dreamer3> it's about the same as what everyone will get in a few days
[06:52] <blackdog2> Hoary works great )
[06:53] <Dreamer3> blackdog2: i swear it's been installing for like over an hour
[06:53] <XhyldazhK> Hi all... how do I compile the wxWindows package with gtk2 support enabled?
[06:53] <wastrel> hoary eh.
[06:53] <libben> it floats good now =) did /dev/hdc with parm
[06:54] <Dreamer3> blackdog2: no joke
[06:54] <libben> should i check that with hd too ? or is it enabled
[06:54] <andrewski> alright, nite all.
[06:54] <zerokarmaleft> XhyldazhK: check with ./configure --help...it's probably --enable-gtk2
[06:54] <tritium> XhyldazhK, why build it when you can install it?
[06:54] <KisoY> !list
[06:54] <blackdog2> libben: do a search on the forums on how to make that permanent
[06:54] <Dreamer3> blackdog2: only time will tell
[06:54] <Jamminpotato> hmmm it still wont mount
[06:55] <Jamminpotato> and it s wierd cuase with the live cd it autmatically mounts
[06:55] <Jamminpotato> nVm
[06:55] <Jamminpotato> i got it to work
[06:55] <libben> blackdog2, make what perm? parm thing ?
[06:55] <libben> isnt this perm?
[06:55] <XhyldazhK> tritium: to make all my package dependencies solved
[06:55] <tritium> XhyldazhK, you can do that by installing the package.
[06:55] <XhyldazhK> zerokarmaleft: I tried that on the deb creation files and it gave me an error
[06:56] <XhyldazhK> tritium: the default one has ugly gtk1 windows, and I want gtk2 support
[06:56] <tritium> XhyldazhK, that also exists
[06:57] <XhyldazhK> tritium: where?
[06:57] <tritium> XhyldazhK, apt-cache search wxwindows and look for what you need
[06:57] <Jamminpotato> how do i run bin files in ubuntu
[06:57] <Jamminpotato> i tryed chmod +X
[06:57] <Jamminpotato> didnt work
[06:57] <XhyldazhK> tritium, there is a package with gtk2 support but its .so aren't accesed by default by wxpython and another wx apps like scorched3d
[06:58] <GhostFreeman> sudo before command
[06:58] <gabaug> for a couple weeks now on Hoary my system hangs for a fraction of a second (or a little more) while typing, moving the mouse, playing audio, etc ... it does this about every 10 seconds or more often ... any ideas?
[06:58] <johnnybezak> gabaug: type top in your terminal to see whats eating up the cpu
[06:58] <tritium> XhyldazhK, they're in universe (e.g. libwxgtk2.4)
[06:59] <XhyldazhK> tritium: I do have univers and multiverse added to my default apt-get settings
[06:59] <gabaug> johnnybezak: nothing is higher than about 18% (xorg)
[06:59] <johnnybezak> gabaug: even when the system slows
[06:59] <XhyldazhK> I've tried that packages, but I don't know how to get wxpython to use that wx instead of default wx
[07:00] <tritium> XhyldazhK, libwxgtk2.4-python
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> that sort of sounds like a dma issue also.
[07:00] <Jamminpotato> for repository adding, what is the url for the universe repository?
[07:00] <randabis> http://archive.ubuntu.com
[07:01] <randabis> err
[07:01] <randabis> http://archive.ubuntu.com/hoary universe
[07:01] <wingsline> hello
[07:01] <Jamminpotato> randabis: thankyou
[07:02] <blackdog2> niteall
[07:02] <randabis> Jamminpotato: hold on
[07:02] <randabis> I told you wrong
[07:02] <dayson> how do I install a .bin file on my desktop?
[07:03] <randabis> Jamminpotato: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[07:03] <randabis> that's my universe line in sources.list
[07:03] <Dreamer3> bout time gedit got () hilighting
[07:03] <wezzer-> is hoary released?
[07:03] <Dreamer3> wezzer-: RC
[07:03] <randabis> wezzer-: release candidate 1 has been released
[07:03] <Jamminpotato> thak you
[07:03] <dayson> how do I install a .bin file on my desktop?
[07:03] <Dreamer3> randabis: how many release candidates you think they'd going to have in the next few days?
[07:04] <wezzer-> wow
[07:04] <GhostFreeman> How do I install Hoary RC?
[07:04] <randabis> Dreamer3: :p
[07:04] <tritium> GhostFreeman, what are you running now?
[07:04] <GhostFreeman> Warty
[07:04] <johnnybezak> change your soureces to hoary
[07:04] <Dreamer3> and the install ROLLS ON
[07:04] <Dreamer3> :-/
[07:04] <johnnybezak> then apt-get update
[07:04] <johnnybezak> apt-get upgrade
[07:05] <GhostFreeman> ok
[07:05] <Jamminpotato> i cant find gstream-mad :(
[07:05] <tritium> GhostFreeman, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[07:05] <Jamminpotato> i want my mp3s
[07:05] <randabis> johnnybezak: incorrect
[07:05] <johnnybezak> sorry then :)
[07:05] <randabis> GhostFreeman: use the url tritium provided
[07:05] <Jamminpotato> i added the universe repository, but it still isnt showing up
[07:05] <gabaug> johnnybezak: its really hard to figure that out...since it only hangs for so short a period
[07:05] <randabis> Jamminpotato: did you apt-get update?
[07:05] <GhostFreeman> ok, thanks
[07:05] <XhyldazhK> wny my nautilus-cdburner doesn't work?
[07:05] <dayson> how do I install a .bin file on my desktop?
[07:06] <johnnybezak> gabaug: hmm i can't help you then man
[07:06] <randabis> dayson: what are you trying to install?
[07:06] <GhostFreeman> is a reset required after installing Hoary or what
[07:06] <Jamminpotato> no... <noob> how do i use apt get</noob>
[07:06] <dayson> java runtime
[07:06] <Dreamer3> wow, and then it was done
[07:06] <tritium> XhyldazhK, you never replied.  did libwxgtk2.4-python work for you?
[07:06] <dayson> randabis, java RE
[07:06] <Dreamer3> but i still don't see a new kernel?
[07:06] <Jamminpotato> randabis: is it a terminal thing?
[07:06] <Dreamer3> shuldn't it have downloading the latest?
[07:07] <tritium> dayson, use java-package to make a .deb from that .bin
[07:07] <XhyldazhK> tritium: I'm over dialup, downloading the latest repository index
[07:07] <randabis> dayson: http://www.ubuntuguide.org explains how, or better yet, use java-package
[07:07] <dayson> tritium, I have no idea how to do that I'm new to linux
[07:07] <tritium> dayson, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes (Method 2)
[07:07] <tritium> oops
[07:07] <difekta> any of you guys have trouble using dalnet?
[07:07] <difekta> i think they require identd or something.
[07:07] <tritium> dayson, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java (Method 2)
[07:07] <tritium> XhyldazhK, that should do it for you.
[07:07] <Jamminpotato> randabis: ?
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> difekta,  yes they do.. or at least they did.
[07:08] <Dr_Willis> difekta,  dalnet = SpambotNet last time i was on it.
[07:08] <randabis> Jamminpotato: yes, or use "reload" in synaptic
[07:08] <dayson> I downloaded java from their site like the guid says to do thats where I got it from
[07:08] <Jamminpotato> ok i did reload but it aint showing up
[07:08] <tritium> dayson, see the URL I gave you
[07:08] <randabis> Jamminpotato: check the repositories list in synaptic and make sure it is in there and checked
[07:08] <loonsy> need help with install
[07:09] <Jamminpotato> randabis: it is checked
[07:09] <Jamminpotato> and there
[07:09] <loonsy> worked out the sata problem, but now it hangs when probing usb
[07:09] <circlejtp> having problem with WMP54g wireless card
[07:09] <circlejtp> installed ndiswrapper
[07:09] <circlejtp> latest driver from linksys
[07:09] <circlejtp> (V2 by the way)
[07:09] <randabis> Jamminpotato: are you looking for a particular package?
[07:09] <circlejtp> ndiswrapper shows driver present but no hardware present
[07:10] <tritium> dayson, you're set with those instructions?
[07:10] <circlejtp> ideas?  lspci shows the card
[07:10] <XhyldazhK> what is ndiswrapper?
[07:10] <tritium> XhyldazhK, apt-cache show ndiswrapper to find out
[07:10] <XhyldazhK> ndis sounds like something from the windows architecture
[07:10] <randabis> ndiswrapper is a wrapper that allows you to use windows network drivers in linux
[07:10] <johnnybezak> ndiswrapper uses binary windows drivers
[07:10] <johnnybezak> in linux
[07:10] <Jamminpotato> randabis: yes i am, its gstreamer - mad - 0.8 i believe
[07:11] <Hmmmm> hi guys i need some help
[07:11] <randabis> Jamminpotato: gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:11] <Dreamer3> um
[07:11] <randabis> that package is in main I thought
[07:11] <Jamminpotato> randabis:yes
[07:11] <Hmmmm> i sorta messed up my apt in warty
[07:11] <Dreamer3> now i've got "unauthenticated packages" error
[07:11] <Dreamer3> whats the dealy?
[07:11] <Jamminpotato> randabis: its not showing up
[07:11] <XhyldazhK> johnnybezak: theoretically you could crosss compile a network driver to windows and test it with ndiswrapper?
[07:11] <tritium> gstreamer0.8-mad is in universe
[07:11] <randabis> ah
[07:11] <tritium> apt-cache policy is your friend ;)
[07:12] <Hmmmm> tritium, can u help me pls
[07:12] <Dreamer3> anyone?
[07:12] <randabis> well I don't really use the gnome stuff much anymore :p
[07:12] <tritium> Hmmmm, I'll try.  With what?
[07:12] <Hmmmm> i sorta messed up my apt in warty
[07:12] <circlejtp> i am running hoary
[07:12] <Hmmmm> i need to get it going again
[07:12] <Hmmmm> here's what i did
[07:12] <Hmmmm> i needed to reinstall
[07:12] <Dreamer3> should i assume hoary will work just fine with the old ubuntu kernel?
[07:12] <johnnybezak> XhyldazhK: sorry man that question is a bit out of my league :)
[07:12] <tritium> Dreamer3, it will work
[07:12] <Hmmmm> so i backed up my /etc/apt/
[07:13] <Hmmmm> and dumped it back after reinstalling
[07:13] <Hmmmm> and now the drasted thing wont work
[07:13] <randabis> Dreamer3: that's strange, it should have installed the new kernel..you did dist-upgrade right?
[07:13] <Hmmmm> tritium, what should i do?
[07:13] <Dreamer3> randabis: yep
[07:13] <tritium> Hmmmm, what errors are you getting?
[07:13] <Dreamer3> regeya_: guess the new kernel isn't in ubuntu-destop?
[07:14] <Hmmmm> Err http://getsweaaa.com ./ Packages
[07:14] <Hmmmm>   Could not connect to getsweaaa.com:80 (204.11.33.22). - connect (113 No route to host
[07:14] <randabis> it "should" be
[07:14] <Hmmmm> stuff like this
[07:14] <Hmmmm> "113 no route to host"
[07:14] <Dreamer3> randabis: so now i have hoary stuck in a (almost said dos) prompt with no new kernel :)
[07:14] <boopers1234> anyone use the elinks text web browser?
[07:14] <tritium> Hmmmm, that URL appears to be down
[07:15] <XhyldazhK> tritium: I do have libwxgtk2.4 installed... that should mean that wx-enabled apps like VLC should look like GNOME apps, but they do look like GTK1/GNOME1 apps...
[07:15] <Dreamer3> hmmmm, wonders if his "development branch" login will change once it's out
[07:15] <johnnybezak> boopers1234: i use links sometimes
[07:15] <tritium> XhyldazhK, libwxgtk2.4-python
[07:15] <randabis> Dreamer3: well, the old kernel should work, but you can get the new one if you want
[07:15] <boopers1234> i got the 2.7 kernel complete
[07:15] <Hmmmm> tritium, where can i get a working sources.list?
[07:15] <tritium> Hmmmm, comment that repo out for now
[07:16] <randabis> you do realize 2.7 is a development kernel?
[07:16] <boopers1234> got a 34% increase in I/O
[07:16] <Hmmmm> tritium, all the repos are giving the same error
[07:16] <XhyldazhK> tritium: I'm not so interested in python apps but in that all my wx apps look antialiased like gtk2 apps
[07:17] <gruph> does anyone know of a place I can get an ETHEREAL package for Ubuntu 5.04?
[07:17] <tritium> XhyldazhK, I don't think VLC has gtk2, actually
[07:17] <Dreamer3> gruph: universe?
[07:17] <gruph> what's universe?
[07:17] <tritium> gruph, did you apt-cache search for it?
[07:17] <Dreamer3> ah better
[07:17] <XhyldazhK> tritium: vlc uses wx
[07:18] <tritium> gruph, it's in universe
[07:18] <mak> so, I've got a network connection set up, with my ISP number, but how do I log onto the internet now? I used gnome ppp to do it.
[07:18] <XhyldazhK> tritium: I will try with scorched3d that I'm sure it uses wx
[07:18] <Hmmmm> tritium, can i borrow ur sources.list?
[07:19] <mak> hello?
[07:19] <gruph> tritium: I'm not familiar with universe.  What is that?
[07:19] <XhyldazhK> tritium: scorched3d showed gtk1 widgets :(
[07:19] <mak> can someone heloo me?
[07:19] <mak> *help
[07:20] <mpt> mak: How did you launch gnome-ppp? I tried to do that but got "command not found"
[07:20] <gruph> tritium: nevermind.. i think I got it :)  thanks you guys.
[07:20] <demism_> are the ubuntu mirrors currently slow?
[07:21] <Dreamer3> demism_: prolly :)
[07:21] <tritium> XhyldazhK, vlc depends on wxvlc, which in turn depends on libwxgtk2.5.3
[07:21] <mak> mpt:um, it's under system config, i think, and you click network
[07:21] <Hmmmm> can anyone please lend a desperate man a sources.list?
[07:21] <Dreamer3> demism_: try torrent :)
[07:21] <tritium> Hmmmm, I'm not running Warty.
[07:21] <Hmmmm> ic
[07:21] <e_machinist> Is the Debian installation process still pretty brutal?
[07:22] <mak> I got my network connection set up, now what do I do to just log onto the net, with my ISP number? what program do I use?
[07:22] <dravine> ubuntu install process is really easy
[07:22] <randabis> e_machinist: depends on what branch you install
[07:22] <mpt> mak: Well then, you and I have the same problem :-)
[07:22] <Hmmmm> tritium, hopw can i unintsall apt-get and reinstall it?
[07:22] <randabis> e_machinist: the ubuntu installer is based on the debian sarge installer
[07:22] <e_machinist> dravine:  not Ubuntu distro, I was pondering the original Debian.
[07:22] <mak> I guess so...
[07:22] <gardio1> Hello anyone know how to get sound to work in java?
[07:23] <tritium> Hmmmm, I wouldn't do that
[07:23] <Hmmmm> ok
[07:23] <dravine> I stopped pondering it last time they released a new version
[07:23] <mak> can someone help <mpt> and I connect to the net?
[07:23] <e_machinist> randabis: ahh, the sarge installer... is the sarge installer in Woody 3.0r4?
[07:23] <Hmmmm> lemme see what i can do
[07:23] <mak> what program do I use?
[07:23] <Hmmmm> thanks for ur advice, tritium
[07:23] <randabis> e_machinist: no. you don't want woody anyway
[07:23] <mak> I got my ISP and network stuff set up
[07:23] <tritium> Hmmmm, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[07:23] <foden> after doing an update on hoary, the graphical login will no longer show
[07:23] <randabis> woody is older than dirt
[07:23] <foden> ive tried doin a dist-upgrade
[07:24] <mpt> mak: Did you read and follow <http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DialupModemHowto>?
[07:24] <geneo93> mak try pon in terminal
[07:24] <foden> but it still doesnt load
[07:24] <e_machinist> randabis: I know, I use ubuntu. Just out of curiousity though, what is the newest version of Debian?
[07:24] <tritium> good night randabis
[07:24] <demism_> Dreamer I can't torrent
[07:24] <geneo93> mpt no he didn't
[07:24] <demism_> the university doesn't allow it
[07:24] <randabis> e_machinist: "unstable" (sid) has the newest packages
[07:24] <mak> geneo93: when I tried pon I got a "only members of the 'dip' group can use this comand"
[07:25] <tritium> see you around geneo93
[07:25] <demism_> if I use torrent do I have to serve also?
[07:25] <e_machinist> Ahh, I see.
[07:25] <geneo93> tritium:  nite
[07:25] <randabis> demism_: yes
[07:25] <mpt> geneo93: I tried pon, and it finished, and appeared to do nothing
[07:26] <demism_> yeah so i can't use them
[07:26] <demism_> what are some other ubuntu mirrors?
[07:26] <geneo93> mpt did you follow instrutions to a t
[07:26] <randabis> the website has a mirror list iirc
[07:26] <demism_> i have no gui installed atm
[07:26] <mak> mpt
[07:26] <mpt> mak: Well I know how to fix *that* particular problem ... at the terminal do "sudo pppconfig", then at the end of creating/changing your connection, in "Advanced options" add yourself to the list of users who can connect
[07:26] <mak> when I do the sudo pppconfig
[07:27] <randabis> you don't have to have a gui to surf the web
[07:27] <mak> after leaving the little thing saing provider, it asks for my IP number
[07:27] <geneo93> mak then its not setup right
[07:28] <mpt> geneo93: Yes. It didn't auto-detect my modem port, though.
[07:28] <geneo93> mpt mine didn't either
[07:28] <mak> geneo93: well, I guess it's not setup right....what are my other options?
[07:29] <geneo93> and it dont do winmodems
[07:29] <foden> does anyone know why i can use VNC to show my desktop, but not see it on my tv
[07:29] <DigiKill> im loookin for a warty knowledgeable person : does one exist right now at this time of day?
[07:29] <foden> my tv allows the terminals (crl+alt+f1) to show
[07:29] <mak> I already did a network thing, where I have m ISP number set up and everyting, now how do I just log onto the net?
[07:29] <mak> what program do I use?
[07:30] <geneo93> mak i told you pon
[07:30] <mpt> mak: or "Modem Monitor", which you can add to your panel by right-clicking on it
[07:30] <DigiKill> mak : you are on the "net"
[07:30] <mpt> but neither of those work for me
[07:30] <geneo93> mak try sudo pon
[07:30] <Krys_> Hello, Anyone around
[07:30] <mak> I'm on the net on my laptop, I need it for my PC
[07:31] <Krys_> I am having a problem In ubuntu with the keyboard, when I use the question mark key, it gives me this:  and when i use some other keys, it mixes them up. How do I fix this
[07:31] <DigiKill> bmon is always fun to look at : i never did find a full IP Addy finding applet for Ubuntu atm.....
[07:32] <mak> wow, it say "in file /et/ppp/peers/provider"unrecognized option'/dev/modem'"
[07:32] <mak> */ect
[07:32] <DigiKill> Krys_: sounds like a "KB" issue : perhaps its not set to your native
[07:32] <DigiKill> *country
[07:32] <mak> that'swhat happened when I did sudo pon
[07:33] <geneo93> mak then you have wrong type modem
[07:33] <mak> mpt: how do I get to modem moniter?
[07:33] <mak> really?
[07:33] <Krys_> hmm.. its a us english keyboard.. and thats what I set it to be.. im confused
[07:33] <mak> dang!
[07:33] <DigiKill> mak: dialup modem?
[07:33] <Krys_> can I pm you DigiKill
[07:33] <mak> yes.
[07:33] <i3dmaster> dpkg -S /etc/inittab could not find which package this file is from. How to find out?
[07:33] <DigiKill> mak : that's beyond me : me n dialup modems and linux never mixed well
[07:33] <geneo93> mak need to knwo if its a hardware modem or winmodem
[07:33] <mak> Digikill: yes, it'ws a dialup, and does that mean I have to get a diff modem?
[07:34] <DigiKill> Krys : i'd prefer it to stay out here ;)
[07:34] <dravine> later people :)
[07:34] <mak> um, I am pretty sure i'ts not a winmodem
[07:34] <DigiKill> that way at least someone else may be able to help ;)
[07:34] <Dreamer3> ok, now X doesn't work... well it works, but whenever it exits my LCD is left in a "not usable" state...ie, bad signal or something and i have to reboot (ctrl-alt-del works, so the system is still awake)
[07:34] <DigiKill> cuz im no Ubuntu Guru
[07:34] <mak> geneo93: I'm pretty sure it's not a winmodem
[07:34] <Dreamer3> any ideas?
[07:34] <Krys_> i dont understand why it doesnt work
[07:34] <Krys_> it looks like its set correctly
[07:34] <Krys_> its a regular qwerty keyboard
[07:35] <geneo93> mak is it a external or internal modem
[07:35] <helio7> Krys_: what is it that's malfunctioning with your keyboard?
[07:35] <mak> internal, meaning i't's connected to the motherboard inside the comp
[07:35] <robl^> Dreamer3: if X stops.. Try Control+Backspace instead of rebooting
[07:35] <Krys_> i type the question mark key and i get  and I type shift 6 and i get ? instead of the upper arrow
[07:35] <Akira> is the keyboard in a differernt mode
[07:35] <geneo93> mak make and model
[07:35] <Akira> i know how to fix
[07:36] <helio7> Krys and you haven't enabled any 2ndary langages under keyboard settings?
[07:36] <Akira> sudo gedit /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[07:36] <mak> geneo93: it's a PCTel INc
[07:36] <Krys_> not that I know of
[07:36] <Dreamer3> robl^: x isn't stopping, i'm naturally existing, but it leads my video in an unknown state instead of returning me to text mode
[07:36] <Akira> under keyboard settings
[07:36] <Krys_> i *just* installed ubuntu, first time using it
[07:36] <mak> HSP MicroModem 56
[07:36] <Krys_> k let me look
[07:36] <Akira> change the ca to a us
[07:36] <Akira> i have that modem
[07:36] <robl^> Dreamer3: odd, that is a new one to me.
[07:36] <Akira> havent got working under linux though
[07:36] <mak> Akira: is it a winmodem?
[07:36] <helio7> Krys preferences>keyboard>Layouts
[07:36] <mak> do ouknow?
[07:37] <Dreamer3> robl^: great :(
[07:37] <Akira> yup
[07:37] <mak> no no no
[07:37] <Krys_> yeah, I know where the keyboard preferences are.. it says us english
[07:37] <Akira> sorry to break the news to you
[07:37] <mak> that means, it's impossible....
[07:37] <mak> egh.
[07:37] <Akira> maybe those win modem drivers work with it
[07:37] <helio7> and under model krys what does it say?
[07:37] <mak> when can I get a driver for it?
[07:37] <Krys_> microsoft internet keyboard
[07:37] <mak> i mean
[07:37] <Akira> under xorg.conf you must change the settings for keyboard
[07:37] <mak> where
[07:37] <helio7> Krys and that's what it is?
[07:38] <geneo93> mak go here http://pctelcompdb.sourceforge.net/
[07:38] <Dreamer3> man, hard to access anything without firefox, can anyone help
[07:38] <Krys_> yes that's the keyboard i'm using.. omg.. suddenly. ? works
[07:38] <Krys_> I think I did something good?
[07:38] <helio7> Krys_: woot
[07:38] <Wass|> hello
[07:38] <Krys_> well, I'm smart, but I donno what I did haha!
[07:38] <Akira> yaa
[07:38] <cg0def> alsa from apt does not support echo indigo and I have to recompile it in order to get it working. How do I do that withour breaking any packages?\
[07:38] <geneo93> mpt now what was your problem
[07:39] <i3dmaster> dpkg -S /etc/inittab could not find which package this file is from. How to find out?
[07:39] <helio7> Krys_: oh well; hopefully it will stay fixed! (=
[07:39] <Krys_> I hope so too!! Thanks for the help guys :)
[07:39] <mak> geneo93: thank you
[07:39] <mak> but I don't know which file do DL
[07:39] <geneo93> yes np
[07:39] <mak> http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/pctel-linux/
[07:40] <kpeterson> I plugged a USB flash drive in and Ubuntu detected it fine.  Two questions: is there anything I have to do before removing it? Like unmounting it?  And secondly where do I access it in the filesystem
[07:40] <geneo93> do you know what model it is
[07:40] <mpt> geneo93: It's a Toshiba laptop with an internal modem. I doubt very much that it's a winmodem, since the laptop belongs to a certain Mr Shuttleworth. pppon does nothing; it just returns a prompt. pppconfig fails to detect the modem port.
[07:40] <geneo93> it just pon
[07:40] <mpt> er, sorry, I meant pon.
[07:40] <cg0def> kpeterson: you have to unmount it so that you are sure that all the data was written to it
[07:41] <Wass|> I installed Hoary 5.04 candidate.  Kylix Open Edition doesn't open correctly, It maximize everything and it's impossible to work inside it. Anyone knows about this problem ?  * just for fun, I installed it on another PC and upgraded everything with synaptics; the problem remains
[07:41] <cg0def> kpeterson: it's under /media/<something>
[07:41] <Akira> mpt: maybe a grep /proc/pci?
[07:41] <kpeterson> cg0def: how do I unmount it?
[07:41] <Akira> hmm cancel that idea
[07:42] <geneo93> did pppconfig find it or did you choose it mpt
[07:42] <mak> Everyone: good night.
[07:42] <mak> I will see about buing a better modem tomorrow
[07:42] <Akira> find the settings for the modem...
[07:42] <mpt> geneo93: I chose /dev/modem, but that didn't work, and neither did /dev/ttyS1.
[07:42] <mak> ttyl, thnx for your help geneo and akira
[07:42] <Dreamer3> ok
[07:42] <Akira> then manually type in pppconfig
[07:42] <mak> and mpt
[07:42] <geneo93> mak get an external serial modem
[07:43] <demism_> so has anyone done apt-get lately, are the repos slow?
[07:43] <Krys_> Quick question, how do I mount my windows partitions?
[07:43] <mak> external serial?
[07:43] <DigiKill> sorry i couldlnt help ya mak
[07:43] <mak> are they  expensive?
[07:43] <DigiKill> i wish i COULD :P
[07:43] <geneo93> yes usb ones are mostly winmodems
[07:43] <Hayden> Krys_: there is a section on, http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:43] <Wass|> =/
[07:43] <mak> sall good Digi
[07:43] <DigiKill> but modems and linux and me have always fought like cats n dogs
[07:43] <cg0def> kpeterson: you should be able to right click on the icon and go to unmount drive
[07:43] <Krys_> thanks for the link
[07:43] <mak> lol
[07:43] <geneo93> mal 35 bucks
[07:43] <mpt> Akira: Sorry, find the settings how? By opening the case? :-)
[07:43] <cg0def> kpeterson: that's the easiest way
[07:43] <mak> ok
[07:43] <rinnan> Wow this is frustrating.  Does anyone here know hwo to install a newly compiled kernel into Ubuntu?
[07:43] <geneo93> mak i meant
[07:44] <DigiKill> hence I love NIC w. Linux distros
[07:44] <DigiKill> ;)
[07:44] <mak> so external serial, and it connects in USB drives?
[07:44] <kpeterson> cg0def thank you very much
[07:44] <cg0def> np
[07:44] <Akira> mpt: um maybe in device settings
[07:44] <Akira> mpt: i mean manager
[07:44] <geneo93> no it connects to serial port
[07:44] <mak> hOK
[07:44] <mpt> hmmm
[07:44] <Wass|> nothing about kylix problemes ?
[07:44] <mak> ok
[07:44] <Akira> i remember a cat /proc/pci or something let me see what was connected
[07:45] <mak> are there other types of modems that aren't winmodems taht I shouldn't get?
[07:45] <rinnan> nevermind finally found the magic words for google, and the howto page: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelHowto
[07:46] <Dreamer3_> hmmmm, weird aptitude says i'm holding back a newr version of xorg
[07:46] <Dreamer3_> well, not a tragic failure, but FAR from a great success
[07:46] <geneo93> mak the best there is diamond supra express
[07:46] <mak> ok
[07:46] <mak> why is it the best?
[07:46] <mak> is it jus tmost compatible?
[07:46] <mpt> Akira: There's a /proc/bus/pci/devices which is full of hex numbers
[07:47] <demism_> can someone check to see if the apt repositories are slow
[07:47] <geneo93> hardware wise allows to phone lines and caan do shotgun double connections
[07:47] <mak> awesome
[07:47] <mak> hOK, ttyl.
[07:47] <corza> can someone help me out with sharing my printer
[07:47] <mak> thanks for the help.
[07:47] <geneo93> 10kb/s down
[07:47] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: if the ISP supports that, who does?
[07:47] <mpt> Akira: ... and /proc/bus/pci/00 and /proc/bus/pic/01 which contain binary files
[07:47] <kpeterson> corza what version are you using
[07:48] <geneo93> ppl pc does
[07:48] <corza> kpeterson: what do u mean what version?
[07:48] <kpeterson> corza hoary or warty
[07:48] <Akira> mpt: hmm, sorry, it was a long time ago when i had to find my serial port for my modem
[07:48] <corza> kpeterson: hoary
[07:48] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: um, i find that hard to believe :)
[07:48] <Akira> mpt: it turned out to be ttyS14
[07:48] <Akira> which is strange
[07:48] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: you can't even connect without their priorietary sofware
[07:48] <geneo93> Dreamer3 i know my way around
[07:48] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: ah
[07:49] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: you must
[07:49] <corza> kpeterson: my windows computer can see that the printer is there and it has all the drivers & everything installed.. but it says access denied to the printer
[07:49] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: the people pc techs said you couldn't
[07:49] <geneo93> deam thats funny i'm seem to be doing just fine here
[07:49] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: so you need two accounts with the isp, no?  they don't let you use two lines for free
[07:49] <mpt> Akira: S14? yeow, I hope mine's not S87 or something, or trial-and-error could take a while
[07:49] <geneo93> no
[07:49] <kpeterson> corza did you modify  /etc/samba/smb.conf?
[07:50] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: no what?
[07:50] <Akira> mpt: yeah, if thats your last resort, as long as you know its not a winmodem
[07:50] <corza> kpeterson: in so many ways :p
[07:50] <denman> hey has anyone had anyluck with the intell compilers installer on umbuntu
[07:50] <geneo93> you dont need two accounts
[07:50] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: um ok :)
[07:50] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: they just let you tie up two lines for free?
[07:51] <geneo93> Dreamer3 in fact i got kppp working with it also
[07:51] <hey> what is latest ubuntu kernel
[07:51] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: good for you :)
[07:51] <geneo93> hey 2.6.10-5
[07:51] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: can you still buy those modems?
[07:51] <mpt> Akira: So in Device Manager will the modem be inside "PCI Bridge"? I see the wireless card in there, and the ethernet card, and and "unknown device"
[07:52] <kpeterson> corza how did you change the [printers]  part
[07:52] <hey> is there ati 3d support?
[07:52] <geneo93> Dreamer3 on ebay
[07:52] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: ah
[07:52] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: need to see if it'll work with earthlink
[07:52] <geneo93> i found one for 5 bucks new in box
[07:52] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: they charge us extra when we log in twice, so i assume we'd need 2 accounts
[07:52] <geneo93> Dreamer3 i can help you so it would
[07:53] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: what magic setup is there?
[07:53] <Akira> mpt: try a sudo cat /proc/tty
[07:53] <hey> what does "preview" version mean?
[07:53] <geneo93> Dreamer3 best way to check that is goto a friends while your connected and try to log in from there
[07:54] <Krys_> is there a default password for admin when installing ubuntu?
[07:54] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: yeah, works find and earthlink bills me
[07:54] <Dreamer3_> geneo93: for overage
[07:54] <geneo93> Krys_:  no
[07:54] <hey> is it full version? beta?
[07:54] <mpt> Akira: that's a directory containing driver/, drivers, ldisc/, and ldiscs
[07:54] <geneo93> u use sudo
[07:54] <i3dmaster> Anyone knows what default runlevel is in ubuntu?
[07:54] <Dreamer3_> man i need something to eat BAD
[07:54] <denman> krys use sudo
[07:54] <Dreamer3_> brb
[07:54] <Krys_> oh ok
[07:55] <Akira> mpt: sorry, um did you ever try a cat /proc/pci
[07:55] <kpeterson> corza I gotta head out, I doubt I would have been much use.  Good luck!
[07:55] <Akira> mpt: my comp doesnt have anything in the pci slots
[07:55] <mpt> Akira: /proc/pci doesn't exist
[07:56] <denman> hey it is sorta above a beta i think, it is well on the road to release
[07:56] <Dreamer3_> denman: *laughs*
[07:56] <Akira> mpt: ubuntu must be newer than my linux 2.2 router
[07:56] <mpt> hey: beta
[07:56] <hey> will it be supported?
[07:57] <e_machinist> If I want to install Quake 3 Arena, do I download the .run file from the idsoftware FTP site?
[07:58] <mpt> Akira: Quite possibly :-)
[07:58] <corza> can anyone help me with sharing my printer?
[07:58] <Hmmmm> can someone please share their warty sources.list with me?
[07:59] <hey> is ubuntu fast?
[07:59] <Akira> mpt: maybe a cat /proc/devices
[07:59] <denman> hey depends, it isnt bad with mine
[07:59] <corza> hey: thats a bit of a crappy question dont u think? shouldnt it be is my computer fast?
[08:00] <hey> is kde available?
[08:00] <ubu> What's the default runlevel in ubuntu?
[08:00] <corza> hey: kde is available, but default is gnome.. which most prefer because of its ease of use
[08:00] <hey> can you use vanilla kernels?
[08:01] <HrdwrBoB> yes and yes
[08:01] <HrdwrBoB> kubuntu and why
[08:01] <mpt> Akira: Well, here's about 20 character devices and half a dozen block devices
[08:01] <mpt> s/here/there/
[08:01] <corza> hey: go and download it and find out
[08:02] <hey> is it better than xandros/
[08:02] <mpt> Akira: None of them look obviously modem-related, though what's obvious to others isn't always obvious to me
[08:02] <corza> hey: WAY YES i have used xandros before and i still have the cd
[08:02] <Drews_Blunted> hello
[08:02] <Drews_Blunted> im # 420
[08:02] <Drews_Blunted> :-P
[08:02] <corza> hey: Xandros is so slow compared to Ubuntu
[08:03] <Drews_Blunted> does anyone know how to install nvidia drivers in the new hedgehod release
[08:03] <HrdwrBoB> exactly the same way you did for warty
[08:03] <Wass|> im sorry to bother but I really need to make kylix works on ubuntu .. I can't find anything on google concerning this probleme
[08:03] <Wass|> =/
[08:03] <hey> xorg 6.8?
[08:03] <Drews_Blunted> yea
[08:03] <corza> hey: Ubuntu Hoary uses xorg and Warty uses xfree
[08:03] <Drews_Blunted> its not working for me at all
[08:03] <Drews_Blunted> yea
[08:04] <Drews_Blunted> how come i cant install the nvidia drivers the normal way
[08:04] <Drews_Blunted> it cant find my kernel-source but its installed
[08:04] <Wass|> xorg could cause kylix working incorrectly ?
[08:04] <hey> coz ur blunted out
[08:04] <Drews_Blunted> uhh
[08:04] <Drews_Blunted> no its not cause im blunted out
[08:05] <e_machinist> What is the fundamental difference between XFree86 and Xorg?
[08:05] <Hmmmm> hey corza can you pls help me lil?
[08:05] <hey> backwards compatibility?
[08:06] <chavo> Drews_Blunted, you have to got to /usr/src and decompress the kernel source.
[08:06] <Wass|> xorg allows opacity on opened windows
[08:06] <geneo93> chavo it doesn't need that
[08:07] <Burgundavia> e_machinist: xfree86 had some licensing and development issues
[08:07] <Drews_Blunted> chavo, k
[08:07] <Burgundavia> e_machinist: so it was decided to fork the code and start xorg
[08:07] <e_machinist> And Xorg does not apparently.
[08:07] <geneo93> Burgundavia:  yeah it sucks
[08:07] <e_machinist> Burgundavia, I see... very interesting.... how come XFree86 seems to work for more people in general?
[08:08] <geneo93> e_machinist:  it old hat
[08:08] <Drews_Blunted> how can i find out what kernel im running
[08:08] <Drews_Blunted> or what kernel does hoary use as default
[08:09] <Drews_Blunted> 2.6.9?
[08:09] <fabbione> 2.6.10
[08:09] <chavo> Drews_Blunted, uname -r
[08:09] <fabbione> uname -a
[08:09] <e_machinist> geneo93, "it old hat"... what now?
[08:09] <geneo93> the last five years it been a fight between devolopers so they finally split thank god
[08:09] <SiRrUs> Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-686
[08:09] <mpt> Akira: Thanks for your help anyway, I'll keep googling
[08:10] <e_machinist> Yah, developers split a lot on issues.
[08:10] <geneo93> thats why xorg is so much better
[08:11] <e_machinist> Hmm... better despite some difficulties people have with it.
[08:11] <SiRrUs> e_machinist what difficulties
[08:11] <geneo93> ahh it the same struggle with xfree if you dont know what your doing
[08:11] <helio7> The ubuntu-love channel is most active on Thursdays right?
[08:12] <geneo93> helio7:  its the most active irc period
[08:12] <e_machinist> geneo93, agreed. I have had zero trouble with either XFree86 or Xorg... I count my blessings.
[08:13] <hey> damnit i have to install ubuntu now
[08:13] <helio7> geneo93: you're saying that Thursday is the most active period for the #ubuntu-love channel correct?
[08:13] <geneo93> hey:  get hoary
[08:14] <e_machinist> Wait for the hoary stable to come out.
[08:14] <eyequeue> i'm trying to look up some info with the various tools available at the commandline, but can't seem to ask correctly, maybe someone here can help
[08:14] <aod> how do you use gcc in ubunto?
[08:14] <Wass|> I think I dont have the choice, i'll downgrade to Warty
[08:14] <geneo93> helio7:  no i'm saying its the busiest channel anytime
[08:14] <eyequeue> how do i get the system to tell me how to spell "lassai-faire"?
[08:15] <MacPlusG3> aod: the same way you do everywhere. there's nothing special about ubuntu and gcc
[08:15] <aod> it says command not found though
[08:15] <eyequeue> aspell and dict don;t seem to be of help
[08:15] <geneo93> eyequeue:  frenck aspell
[08:15] <geneo93> french
[08:15] <eyequeue> geneo93:  um, how do i invoke that?
[08:15] <SiRrUs> aod you need to ensure that gcc has been installed
[08:15] <MacPlusG3> aod: then install it. the 'build-essential' package is probably what you want
[08:16] <MacPlusG3> aod: that will give you the essential packages for building things
[08:16] <geneo93> just apt-get the french ext
[08:16] <geneo93> for aspell
[08:16] <eyequeue> ah
[08:16] <helio7> geneo93: hmm well it's been dead quiet everytime i've gone there lol
[08:16] <eyequeue> thanks
[08:16] <geneo93> helio7:  i thought you were talking about us here
[08:17] <geneo93> eyequeue:  that is french right
[08:18] <eyequeue> geneo93:  i thought it was one of those terms that had migrated to english, but yes, from the french
[08:18] <helio7> geneo93: nah the channel #ubuntu-love is especially for "getting involved" and helping out... I seem to remember an email saying it was active on Thursdays... I'm pretty sure that's it, but I was asking to a)verify and b)ask about it in general, but I can wait 'til tomorrow (= ty
[08:19] <eyequeue> it will be interesting to see how aspell handles having multiple languages installed :)  i've never had that before
[08:19] <geneo93> helio7:  is it for single ppl
[08:19] <helio7> geneo93: no no it's for helping the ubuntu community
[08:20] <geneo93> well this is the best help channel there is
[08:20] <eyequeue> geneo93:  no, it's "love your ubuntu" not "get loved by using ubuntu" :)
[08:21] <revelater> hey everyone, i am not getting good fps with my GC
[08:21] <eyequeue> geneo93:  btw, apparently i'm butchering this term so badly that not even the french aspell is helping me
[08:21] <geneo93> eyequeue:  try google
[08:22] <revelater> i got a radeon 9800 pro
[08:22] <eyequeue> Did you mean: laissez-faire
[08:22] <eyequeue> :)
[08:22] <revelater> installed fglrx drivers and configured them
[08:23] <geneo93> ;)
[08:23] <revelater> help?
[08:23] <geneo93> google is my spelling book
[08:23] <revelater> somebody? anybody?
[08:23] <eyequeue> the weird thing, even aspell-fr didn't know the word, even when i spelled it right it fed me other words
[08:23] <geneo93> revelater:  what card
[08:24] <revelater> ati radeon 9800 pro
[08:24] <geneo93> ahh cnat help you there
[08:24] <revelater> geneo93: and i got al the drivers for them
[08:24] <revelater> sigh, anyone else?
[08:25] <Xira> revelater,
[08:25] <revelater> yes?
[08:25] <Xira> make sure you have kernel restictions module for your kernel version
[08:25] <geneo93> eyequeue:  did it work is en dictionary
[08:25] <revelater> Xira tell me you can help!!!
[08:25] <Xira> also revelater
[08:25] <Xira> does fgl_glxgears work
[08:25] <eyequeue> geneo93:  no, i had both -fr and -en installed, and it apparently just isn't in either
[08:25] <Cube-ness> anybody know anything about kernel 2.6.9 + panic issues, something about failing to sync?
[08:26] <revelater> Xira: kernel restrictions modules?
[08:26] <Xira> nevermind that
[08:26] <Wass|> c tannant
[08:26] <Xira> does fgl_glxgears work?
[08:26] <geneo93> Cube-ness:  i have 2.6.10-5 here
[08:26] <Cube-ness> me too
[08:26] <Cube-ness> on my laptop
[08:26] <eyequeue> geneo93:  (en.)wikipedia says: Laissez-faire is short for "laissez faire, laissez passer," a French phrase meaning to "let things alone, let them pass".   so we were right it was french
[08:26] <revelater> Xira, i don't seem to have that...
[08:27] <Cube-ness> this machine, p4 HT, sata, panics on all kernels after 2.6.8
[08:27] <Xira> eh
[08:27] <Xira> command not found?
[08:27] <revelater> Xira, where is this fgl_glxgears?
[08:27] <geneo93> eyequeue:  thought so
[08:27] <Xira> it's a command
[08:27] <revelater> ohhhh!!!!
[08:27] <e_machinist> haha.... you will get the hang of it revelater.
[08:28] <eyequeue> of course, with the right spelling, even the english dict can find it, heh
[08:28] <geneo93> Cube-ness:  why 2.6.9 though for mac?
[08:28] <revelater> Xira yup it works
[08:28] <Cube-ness> huh?
[08:28] <Xira> what are the fps results
[08:28] <geneo93> 2.6.9 why use that
[08:28] <Cube-ness> this isnt a mac
[08:28] <Xira> 2.6.9 is vulnerable
[08:28] <revelater> Xira: between 500 and 1k per second
[08:29] <Cube-ness> 2.6.10 panics too
[08:29] <Xira> revelater, that sounds good to me
[08:29] <revelater> Xira, shouldn't it be more than that?
[08:29] <Xira> fgl_glxgears is diffrent than glxgears
[08:29] <Xira> fgl_glxgears is ati's propitary benchmark for their drivers
[08:30] <revelater> Xira, i have heard people with pitifull GCs report there fps in the tens of thousands
[08:30] <geneo93> Cube-ness:  try the smp kernel
[08:30] <Cube-ness> it is
[08:30] <revelater> Xira, its holding steady at 1k now
[08:30] <Xira> revelater, query me your fgl_glxgears results after running it for 10sec
[08:31] <Xira> as well as your card version
[08:31] <geneo93> hmmm
[08:31] <geppy> Has anyone in here used the Fast User-Switching Applet?
[08:31] <revelater> how about flood?
[08:31] <geppy> I've installed it on Hoary, but I'm unable to find any sort of executables, nor is it in my applet menu.
[08:31] <e_machinist> revelater, I glxgears reports average 1500.600 FPS, which is 7xxx something frames.
[08:31] <revelater> besides, i don't know how to query
[08:32] <e_machinist> My Radeon has full 3D acceleration in linux..... don't know if that helps you.
[08:32] <Xira> revelater, /query xira
[08:32] <geneo93> Cube-ness:  try the 2.6.11-5 in unsupported
[08:32] <revelater> how do you get that?
[08:32] <nexus-> anyone knows how to get wpa-psk running?
[08:33] <geppy> Anyone in here have any sort of fast-user switching set up that doesn't involve ttyX?
[08:33] <geneo93> Cube-ness:  has that got more than a gig of memory
[08:33] <Cube-ness> n no
[08:35] <geneo93> does it have initrd.img
[08:37] <bob2> hrm
[08:37] <bob2> has anyone else noticed that the "default" background for firefox is now grey?
[08:38] <Burgundavia> bob2: that has been fixed I believe
[08:38] <bob2> Burgundavia: oh, score
[08:38] <bob2> thanks
[08:38] <geneo93> 1.02
[08:38] <geppy> Burgundavia: Have you considered packaging the User-Switching Applet? ;)
[08:38] <bob2> ah, I have 1.02...guess I need to actually restart stuff every now and then ;)
[08:38] <Burgundavia> geppy: fire me and email and I will make certain it gets added to the todo list
[08:39] <geppy> Burgundavia: Thanks! =D
[08:40] <geppy> Burgundavia: corey.burge@gmail.com ?
[08:40] <helio7> vim users; is there an option to make words not break in the middle and be either on one line or the next?
[08:40] <geneo93> Cube-ness:  you may find some answers on #ubuntu-devel
[08:40] <Burgundavia> geppy: corey.burger@gmail.com
[08:40] <geppy> Burgundavia: Thanks.
[08:40] <Burgundavia> geppy: np
[08:41] <bob2> helio7: when rendering wrapping or when actually wrapping?
[08:42] <helio7> bob2 I don't understand the difference in your question.  Say I'm using vim to write a short story rather than machine code... and I just want to _see_ whole, rather than broken words at the end of each line... does that make sense?
[08:42] <e_machinist> Boy am I hungry.
[08:42] <e_machinist> heh.
[08:42] <bob2> helio7: right, that's just how it's...printing the text to the screen.  don't know how to change that, sorry
[08:43] <helio7> bob2: np I'll get used to it (=
[08:43] <bob2> helio7: #vim might be a good place to ask?
[08:43] <geneo93> bob2:  i think it has to do with scroll lock
[08:43] <helio7> oh nice didn't know it existed bob2 ty
[08:45] <geneo93> i love that name kitchensync
[08:45] <oozyadaddy> hey
[08:46] <oozyadaddy> who wants to help me :P
[08:46] <geppy> oozyadaddy: Just ask your question.
[08:46] <oozyadaddy> ?
[08:46] <oozyadaddy> ok
[08:46] <oozyadaddy> well just downloaded the ubuntu live cd
[08:46] <oozyadaddy> version 2.10
[08:46] <oozyadaddy> and loaded on my other pc
[08:46] <brainZzZ> i am selling my other pc but i didn't get a recovery disc for it so i'm using the one for this pc
[08:46] <oozyadaddy> and once it finished installing..... it then booted for first time
[08:47] <brainZzZ> she was out the first time for 15 days and made
[08:47] <oozyadaddy> and on the display was all gray and had a square in middle of the screen??
[08:48] <calamari> hi
[08:49] <MaRk-I> what a pain in the @$$
[08:49] <oozyadaddy> anyone know whats goin on?
[08:50] <MaRk-I> Zevin: is that you the one who mentioned a file (which couldnt rememeber name) about eht0 not connecting?
[08:50] <Zevin> yeah
[08:50] <rdw200169> how do i print screen... like in windows
[08:50] <rdw200169> ?
[08:50] <oozyadaddy> lol
[08:50] <geppy> rdw200169: Press Prt Scr
[08:50] <oozyadaddy> press print screen buttin
[08:50] <oozyadaddy> button
[08:50] <oozyadaddy> lol
[08:51] <rdw200169> yeah, but it doesn't show up in the clipboard...
[08:51] <MaRk-I> Zevin: by any chance was dhcp.conf?
[08:51] <Zevin> let me find it
[08:51] <Burgundavia> rdw200169: system-->take screenshot
[08:51] <oozyadaddy> hmm
[08:51] <oozyadaddy> try alt + prnt screen
[08:52] <tiongsonr> i'm new with linux and ubuntu, is it possible that i can see and access the fat32 partition of my computer? my setup is a tripble boot system, win98, win2k and ubuntu.
[08:53] <rdw200169> alt was the trick... thank you... now i feel stupid...
[08:53] <geppy> Does Ubuntu have gdmflexiserver?
[08:54] <rdw200169> i can figure out how to get karamba working in 64 bit but not printscreen... hmm...
[08:54] <Burgundavia> tiongsonr: yes
[08:54] <borco> hi
[08:54] <robitaille> geppy: yes
[08:54] <Burgundavia> tiongsonr: you can read fat32 and ntfs, but only write fat32
[08:54] <geppy> robitaille: How do I go about enabling it?
[08:55] <e_machinist> Quick poll, when using ubuntu, do you prefer the GNOME (if you use GNOME) main bar to be up top, ala mac os, or down below, ala windows???
[08:55] <tiongsonr> bungundavia: how can i access my fat32?
[08:55] <rdw200169> tiongsonr: i usually have a partition on my hd in fat32 specifically for moving files from ntfs to linux...
[08:55] <Burgundavia> e_machinist: top
[08:55] <borco> is there a debmirror correspondent in ubuntu?
[08:55] <Burgundavia> tiongsonr: mount with fstab
[08:55] <rdw200169> tiongsonr: and back...
[08:55] <robitaille> geppy,  I just ran it from the command line:   /usr/bin/gdmflexiserver
[08:56] <borco> something that lets me mirror only the latests software for my architecure? not the whole ubuntu mirror?
[08:56] <geppy> robitaille: Thanks.
[08:56] <rdw200169> tiongsonr: #mount -t vfat -o defaults /dev/(device) /(mountdirectory)
[08:56] <Zevin> hey mark
[08:56] <Zevin> modules.conf
[08:57] <Zevin> insert this line
[08:57] <brainZzZ> [01]  to enable .tcl on partyline add this line bind dcc n tcl *dcc:tcl and remove this (if its there) unbind dcc n tcl *dcc:tcl
[08:57] <Zevin> ipconfig eth0 up
[08:57] <geneo93> tiongsonr:  you can edit fstab to load it at boot also
[08:57] <Zevin> activates the nic, but doesn't allow connection
[08:58] <MaRk-I> what do you mean doesn't allow connection Zevin?
[08:58] <Zevin> you don't want ubuntu hanging, try to get an ip at boot becuase theres no cable connected, right?
[08:59] <MaRk-I> Zevin: it is connected
[08:59] <MaRk-I> the thing is I cant even do upgrades
[08:59] <Zevin> oh, so, what do you want?
[09:00] <MaRk-I> Zevin: well hehe I want my eth0 to work properly
[09:00] <Zevin> oh
[09:00] <Zevin> heh
[09:00] <MaRk-I> its detected, its configured...... BUT cant even connect with xchat or surf with firefox
[09:01] <Zevin> i dunno, i just used the networking configurer in system > administartion
[09:01] <Zevin> i dunno
[09:01] <Zevin> driver might now be working
[09:01] <MaRk-I> network tools wont let me
[09:01] <Zevin> the networking console needs to be configred to use DHCP too
[09:02] <Zevin> by default its set on static ip
[09:02] <MaRk-I> how come it asks me for "root" passwd when I didnt even set up one??
[09:02] <bob2> MaRk-I: it's broken
[09:02] <Zevin> you did
[09:02] <geneo93> MaRk-I:  sudo network-admin
[09:02] <Zevin> you have to
[09:02] <bob2> Zevin: you don't have to set a root password in ubuntu
[09:03] <Zevin> hmm
[09:03] <Zevin> ok
[09:03] <MaRk-I> bob2: what's broken??   geneo93 that's to start in console I take?
[09:03] <Zevin> didn't know you could skip it
[09:03] <geneo93> MaRk-I:  yes
[09:04] <MaRk-I> geneo93: thnx I'll try that (when I log onto ubuntu again)
[09:04] <tiongsonr> rdw200169: i'm with Burgundavia now
[09:04] <geneo93> MaRk-I:  sudo use your passwd
[09:04] <kkathman> evening all :)
[09:04] <MaRk-I> geneo93: thanks yes that I've done but pisses me off on the GUI asking for root pass
[09:05] <geneo93> MaRk-I:  your passwd would work
[09:05] <Burgundavia> MaRk-I: what tool is doing this?
[09:05] <Zevin> i love that linux always asks for passwords
[09:05] <MaRk-I> geneo93: nope says wrong pass or don't use caps etc.
[09:05] <MaRk-I> Burgundavia: network tools configuration
[09:06] <Zevin> i have it on my gf's family computer. keeps them from being able to screw anything up
[09:06] <Burgundavia> MaRk-I: it is asking for root password? shouldn't be
[09:06] <MaRk-I> if I select eth0 then configure a window pops up asking for root pass
[09:06] <kkathman> does anyone happen to know a good graphics pkg for Linux. Right now Im using Photoshop under Windows. Anything roughly equivalent to that?
[09:06] <geneo93> MaRk-I:  you can set root passwd by doing sudo passwd root
[09:06] <Burgundavia> kkathman: gimp is almost there but not quite the same as photoshop
[09:07] <robitaille> Burgundavia,    I still don't like gimp interface...it's getting better with version 2.0, but I still don't find it intiutive.
[09:07] <kkathman> Burgundavia: I used Paint Shop Pro also, my requirments arent massive really, just sizing, cutting, layering etc
[09:07] <geneo93> MaRk-I:  are you using dhcp
[09:07] <MaRk-I> geneo93: but if I havent set up one yet why it's asking for one??
[09:07] <MaRk-I> geneo93: yes
[09:08] <Burgundavia> kkathman: try out the gimp then
[09:08] <MaRk-I> also tried manual and nothing
[09:08] <Burgundavia> robitaille: I happen to agree with you in some regards
[09:08] <MaRk-I> btw I can ping my router I can ping google etc...
[09:08] <geneo93> because it aint that smart
[09:08] <robitaille> Burgundavia,  but since I haven't found anything better than gimp, I surrfer in it.  But I work with someone who swear by xfig
[09:09] <MaRk-I> network monitor shows trafic (like 3kbs) bleh
[09:10] <kkathman> robitaille: xfig?
[09:11] <calamari> xfig isn't that great.. well maybe for making line art :)
[09:11] <MaRk-I> how do I uninstall ubuntu and get my old configuration back (i.e my mdk lilo and boot splash)?
[09:11] <robitaille> kkathman,  you probably don't want to go there.  It's a very old software, with a very odd interface. But it is in universe
[09:11] <geneo93> hehe good luck
[09:12] <calamari> wine + paint shop 4 = :)
[09:12] <robitaille> kkathman,  but some people who got used to it 10+ years ago still love it
[09:12] <geneo93> MaRk-I:  you can boot to mandrake
[09:12] <Burgundavia> kkathman: I would stick with the gimp for now
[09:13] <MaRk-I> geneo93: I'm on MDK right now
[09:13] <geneo93> oh thats simple then
[09:13] <MaRk-I> just want to disable grub that ubuntu installed
[09:13] <MaRk-I> since I was using lilo
[09:13] <geneo93> just go in control center and boot and redo lilo
[09:14] <MaRk-I> from mdk??
[09:14] <Och> Is a good practice to use ubuntu as a server?
[09:14] <calamari> it's weird tho.. does Gnome really have a concept of a MDI (multiple document interface) like Windows has?
[09:14] <geneo93> the only thing is you wont beable to boot ubuntu
[09:14] <calamari> seems like all windows, even child windows are at the parent level
[09:15] <MaRk-I> geneo93: with no eth0 working at all..... (no upgrades no connection) is like not having ubuntu lol
[09:15] <MaRk-I> btw when installing and it asks me to check for upgrades... same thing wont connect
[09:15] <geneo93> well if you want to get rid of it then just reformat drive with diskdrake
[09:15] <whendrik> Does ubuntu has a portage system like freebsd/gentoo/debian?
[09:16] <robitaille> och:  ubuntu will work fine as a server.
[09:16] <geneo93> whendrik:  apt-get and synaptic
[09:16] <Burgundavia> whendrik: ubuntu is based on debian, so apt is the default package manager
[09:16] <bob2> whendrik: er, debian doesn't have a "portage" system, nor does freebsd
[09:16] <bob2> whendrik: it uses apt/synaptic/aptitude to access binary packages, just as Debian does
[09:17] <Och> robitaille, I'm testing ubuntu as a server but I'm worry about security
[09:17] <bob2> Och: ubuntu's security team is pretty damn good
[09:17] <MaRk-I> geneo93: 1 last thing dmesg tells me: eth0: no IPv6 routers present;  any ideas??
[09:17] <geppy|zZzZ> Anyone in here know JACK?
[09:17] <robitaille> Och,  worry at what level?
[09:18] <geneo93> MaRk-I:  there aren't really
[09:18] <MaRk-I> thanks
[09:18] <geneo93> np
[09:19] <Och> robitaille, something close to woody
[09:19] <whendrik> wel, if it works like debian, i give it a try today!
[09:19] <Och> bob2, feeling better now
[09:19] <geppy|zZzZ> Why is the realtime-lsm not packaged?
[09:19] <geneo93> whendrik:  better than debian
[09:19] <geppy|zZzZ> It's a pain to have to build it from source.
[09:20] <bob2> Och: heh
[09:20] <bob2> Och: I trust them with my server, fwiw
[09:20] <bob2> geppy|zZzZ: you can package it :)
[09:20] <whendrik> better?
[09:20] <whendrik> dont you mean different?
[09:20] <robitaille> Och,   Ubuntu is somewhat similar to Sarge, but officially maintained from a security point of view
[09:20] <geppy> bob2:  Are you affiliated with Ubuntu?
[09:21] <bob2> geppy: I work for canonical and use ubuntu, but I'm not an ubuntu developer
[09:21] <geneo93> better as in upto date
[09:21] <geppy> bob2:  Ah, cool.
[09:21] <geppy> bob2:  If I build the package, should I just look around on ubuntulinux.org for where to submit it?
[09:21] <whendrik> so i can type 1 command to update my entire system
[09:22] <whendrik> and 1 command to install new software.?
[09:22] <bob2> geppy: #ubuntu-motu people would be the ones to talk to
[09:22] <bob2> whendrik: sure
[09:22] <geppy> bob2:  Thanks.
[09:22] <Och> robitaille, my dream has come true
[09:22] <bob2> geppy: np
[09:22] <geneo93> geppy:  it may be done already just not in your repositories
[09:22] <geppy> geneo93: Oh?
[09:23] <geppy> geneo93: There have been the startup scripts and source since close to when Warty was released, but there is no binary module to be found.
[09:23] <geneo93> yes i have all the debian ones here but i cant look atm i'm using apt
[09:23] <geppy> geneo93: Ah, so, it'd simply be a matter of bugtesting the debian package on Ubuntu?
[09:24] <geneo93> geppy yes leme look for right one
[09:24] <geppy> geneo93: Thanks!
[09:24] <whendrik> i cant wait to install
[09:24] <Lare22> Help? how can i get the top menu back, i removed by accident :(
[09:25] <j_MHz> Can I flip my AMD64 Ubuntu over to i386 Ub ( for compatibilty ) easily ( novice / acolyte user ) or should I just reinstall ?? Can I have dual Ubuntu boot ??
[09:25] <bob2> j_MHz: you have to reinstall
[09:25] <bob2> j_MHz: yes, you can have a dual boot system with them
[09:25] <bob2> j_MHz: what isn't working in the amd64 port for you?
[09:26] <j_MHz> bob2, compiling WINE
[09:26] <geppy> geneo93:  I have to go, if you find something, could you PM it to me?
[09:26] <robitaille> Och,  good for your dream :)  For months I was waiting for Sarge to start being maintained before jumping into the DEbian world, and then Ubuntu happened last fall
[09:26] <geneo93> geppy it is in hoary repository
[09:26] <robitaille> Och,  replaced Fedora by Warty, and never looked back since
[09:27] <geneo93> hoary main
[09:27] <geppy> geneo93: That's not a binary module, though;  only scripts to run it, and the source.
[09:27] <j_MHz> bob2, I think you suggested a chroot32 but I don't quite know enough yet.
[09:28] <geppy> I've got to be going.
[09:28] <geppy> g'night, all
[09:32] <Och> robitaille, I think that's why ubuntu is so popular... sarge is very late now
[09:32] <birger> My samba server gives me a segfault, and I can't connect to it. I've had this problem for a while. Is there a fix?
[09:32] <geneo93> hell late aint the word
[09:32] <bob2> segfault means bug or bad hardware
[09:32] <bob2> I'd bet on bad hardware
[09:33] <Lare22> Help? how can i get the top menu back, i removed by accident :(
[09:33] <geneo93> yeah real simple   kill windows
[09:34] <geneo93> use the bottom one to create it
[09:34] <bob2> Lare22: you have no panels at all?
[09:35] <Dreamer3> can anyone help me with a problem with X.org on Hoary?
[09:35] <bob2> you need to ask, first...
[09:35] <Lare22> No pannel at all
[09:35] <niterider> hello
[09:35] <Lare22> removed them by error
[09:35] <Benjamin_L> where are the locale settings that programs like nautilus use to get the right one, if i run locale everything is fine de_DE but nautilus etc. are all english
[09:37] <Delta9> Hello everyone
[09:37] <niterider> how is one supposed to add and activate or deactivate repos in the new synaptic in hoary
[09:37] <Delta9> I am a newbie to Ubantu and am having major problems installing it
[09:37] <geneo93> same way as old one
[09:37] <niterider> adding i see, but if you want to deactivate a repo how does one go about it
[09:38] <niterider> i musta missed it then
[09:38] <Delta9> Ive just lost my hard drive on my other computer
[09:38] <Delta9> can anyone help?
[09:38] <bob2> Delta9: "lost"?
[09:38] <Delta9> yes bob
[09:38] <Delta9> heaps lost
[09:39] <bob2> you need to explain what you mean by "lost a hard drive"
[09:39] <Lare22> bob2: have no panels at all
[09:39] <geneo93> hardware failure?
[09:39] <brainZzZ> i say we should instate ammendments to our consititution that allow us some way of removing anyone from office and removing any law we think is wrong
[09:40] <bob2> brainZzZ: isn't that what impeachment and courts are for?
[09:40] <brainZzZ> the amendment "is to provide moms and dads for the next generation of our children. isn't that important? isn't that the ultimate homeland security  standing up, defending marriage, defending the right for children to have moms and dads, to be raised in a nurturing and loving environment? isn't that what this debate is all about?"
[09:40] <Delta9> first when i tried to install, it said i didnt have a network card, and that it was an error, but i dont have one so i just continued and then it had another error about it couldnt detect something, i forget
[09:40] <Adross> been using latest open office impress
[09:40] <Adross> is it ment to crash?
[09:40] <Adross> seriously, is it?
[09:40] <HiddenWolf> Can someone help me get X online here?
[09:40] <bob2> Adross: no
[09:40] <Adross> was it like, designed that way?
[09:40] <Delta9> ahh yeah it was installing the base
[09:40] <Delta9> it wouldnt install the base
[09:41] <Benjamin_L> killall nautilus ; env LANG="de_DE" nautilus doesn't work for example
[09:41] <bob2> Delta9: where did you get the cd from?
[09:41] <bob2> Benjamin_L: does "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales", then logging out and in again help?
[09:41] <Delta9> anyway i rebooted a few times and tried again, then i did it once more and the screen just after it checks the ram it says "sec slave hdd error"
[09:41] <bob2> Adross: please files bugs if no one else has
[09:41] <HiddenWolf> I just installed hoary-rc on an amd64/nv6600gt using i386, and X is ugly, can someone help me?
[09:42] <Delta9> from the site i ordered it through the mil
[09:42] <bob2> Delta9: are you sure the hardware is OK?
[09:42] <bob2> HiddenWolf: "ugly"?
[09:42] <Delta9> bob: not anymore its not
[09:42] <HiddenWolf> bob2: I twiddled some, and now I get psychedelic gray/pink/green stripes instead of nothing
[09:42] <bob2> Delta9: it's really not possible for Ubuntu to do that
[09:42] <HiddenWolf> bob2: can't kill X either
[09:42] <bob2> HiddenWolf: is this using the binary-only nvidia drivers?
[09:42] <Delta9> well if u were here u would say it is lol
[09:43] <bob2> Delta9: no, I'd look for something else
[09:43] <brainZzZ> i fail to see how fox news is republican based on the fact that every show is a debate show with all sides almost, the only reason people would say it is is because of it in comparison to everything we've seen in mainstream news media in the last 40 years or os
[09:43] <HiddenWolf> bob2: using nv
[09:43] <Delta9> this is fucked, and now it wont pick up the drive in the install bit, the partition
[09:43] <bob2> brainZzZ: this is pretty off-topic
[09:43] <brainZzZ> this is pretty bad that ive used my friends dvd burner more than he has
[09:43] <geneo93> Delta9:  the hdd is cdrom
[09:44] <Benjamin_L> bob2, nothing changed. this is warty -> hoary. my friend who installed from hory preview doesn't have this problem
[09:44] <Delta9> geneo, nah its my mobile drive
[09:44] <brainZzZ> we wouldnt have this problem anymore
[09:44] <ubuntu> hi
[09:45] <ubuntu> i'm under kubuntu 5.04 RC
[09:45] <HiddenWolf> bob2: what's the dpkg reconfigure command for xorg?
[09:45] <Delta9> well does anyone know how ot get the drive back or something?
[09:45] <geneo93> Delta9:  warty had a few glitches so you may want to try hoary
[09:46] <bob2> HiddenWolf: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:46] <Delta9> what u mean
[09:46] <Benjamin_L> bob2, strange thins is that gnome menu entries are german while the menu itself is english ^^
[09:46] <Benjamin_L> thing
[09:46] <geneo93> Delta9:  is that the drive you were installing to
[09:46] <bob2> Benjamin_L: how odd
[09:46] <Delta9> yeah, its the drive i had red hat on
[09:47] <bungopolis> why cant I sudo with my new 5.04 system? I'm trying sudo passwd root but it's asking for root password
[09:47] <Delta9> but it was too complex for me lol so i tried ubuntu
[09:47] <ubuntu> why kubuntu doesn't mount any device at the begining ?
[09:47] <geneo93> well now it formated in ext3
[09:47] <Benjamin_L> bob2, if I'm going to reinstall hoary from the official release next month, will it leave my home folder untouched ?
[09:47] <bob2> bungopolis: sure it's not asking for your password?
[09:47] <bungopolis> oh yeah let me try it
[09:47] <bob2> Benjamin_L: not by default, but it can
[09:48] <Benjamin_L> guess I'll beackup important data before I'll do it ^^
[09:48] <Benjamin_L> -e
[09:48] <Delta9> then it should let me see it in the list of drives in the install menu, it was ext3 before i tried installing
[09:48] <djp> hi all. does anybody know if pygtk is available for warty in any repo?
[09:48] <bob2> djp: pygtk isn't in warty itself?
[09:48] <bob2> I'm so sure it is
[09:49] <geneo93> the boot sector is borked partition table is a mess
[09:49] <djp> bob2: hold on...
[09:50] <HiddenWo1f> bob2: that didn't cut it. but I just noticed it detected the gfx card on Pci:1:0:0:1 or something. I'm using a pci-e graphics card. What should it say in xorg.conf then?
[09:50] <djp> bob2: doesn;t appear to be...
[09:50] <bob2> HiddenWo1f: it shouldn't say anything, afaik
[09:50] <brainZzZ> but the best band has to be...
[09:50] <HiddenWo1f> bob2? hm?
[09:50] <bob2> djp: python-gtk
[09:51] <bob2> HiddenWo1f: X should just find it, but I don't know for sure
[09:51] <bob2> HiddenWo1f: I'd try asking on the user list, personally
[09:51] <djp> bob2: thanks
[09:52] <HiddenWo1f> bob2: :(
[09:52] <bob2> HiddenWo1f: ?
[09:53] <HiddenWo1f> bob2: My old pc died last night, my new pc won't boot into X, and I haven't figured a way to get 100g of data off my old rig
[09:55] <Chronusdark> has anyone gotten a logitech quickcam messenger to work on hoary?
[09:55] <robitaille> HiddenWo1f,  can you move the hard drive physically into the new machine?
[09:59] <aod> anyone know why after ndiswapper is installed it still says ndiswapper is not a command
[09:59] <aod> wrapper&
[09:59] <Chronusdark> if you used the package it just comes a source i think
[09:59] <bob2> aod: did you run it as root?
[09:59] <bob2> ie with sudo
[09:59] <aod> yah
[09:59] <bob2> the userland tools don't come as source
[09:59] <bob2> aod: dpkg -L ndiswrapper | grep bin
[10:00] <bob2> aod: what does that print out?
[10:00] <aod> it says it is not installed
[10:00] <geneo93> well thats it then
[10:00] <bob2> then you didn't install it
[10:00] <bob2> go read the howto again
[10:01] <geneo93> heck try it 10 more times then read it
[10:02] <geneo93> typical american today
[10:02] <bob2> aod: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[10:02] <bob2> you need to install the ndiswrapper-utils package
[10:02] <bob2> then run "dpkg -L ndiswrapper-utils | grep bin" to see where it put the command
[10:05] <Chronusdark> has anyone had any success getting a logitech quickcam messenger to work under hoary?
[10:07] <mchasard> does the wifi connexion work on ubuntu or kubuntu ?
[10:07] <bob2> depends on your hardware
[10:07] <bob2> almost always yes, tho
[10:07] <jsgotangco> mine works
[10:07] <bob2> mine too
[10:07] <mchasard> is there something special to do ...with a live cd ?
[10:08] <bob2> should only have to configure it then
[10:08] <mchasard> with wich tools ?please ?
[10:08] <bob2> depends on the hardware
[10:08] <bob2> what sort of card is it?
[10:08] <cg0def> if your card does not have OSS driver then there is a closed source one an a mirror OSS project that allow you to use the windows drivers
[10:09] <karl> how do I get mp3 support? I tried installing gstreamer-mad like it says on the website but it couldnt find the package... what is the current method?
[10:09] <robitaille> karl:  have you enabled "universe"?
[10:09] <karl> no I havent
[10:09] <mchasard> i have a freebox ...
[10:10] <geneo93> gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:10] <bob2> karl: no, the website says gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:10] <bob2> an important difference
[10:10] <karl> yeah that's what I tried
[10:10] <sil3nt> after I upgrade ,it can not play any music
[10:10] <TwEeT> Hey everyone
[10:10] <TwEeT> do you know if the intel centrino wireless cards support scanning
[10:10] <robitaille> karl:  that gstreamer0.8-mad package is in the universe repository, so you will have to enable it first
[10:11] <whendrik> it does support scanning
[10:11] <whendrik> the whole 9 yards
[10:11] <karl> alright thanks
[10:11] <whendrik> you need the latest ipw2100 drivers
[10:11] <bob2> TwEeT: they do
 are those hard to install?
[10:11] <bob2> TwEeT: the cards?  they work out of the box with ubuntu.
[10:11] <whendrik> not harder/easiers than any other
[10:12] <TwEeT> I am interested in the GTKwifi i saw on the forums
[10:12] <e_machinist> What do I do with a .run file?
[10:12] <bob2> the latest ipw2100 drivers seem to have lost the ability to detect signal strength, tho
[10:12] <TwEeT> But I wasn't sure if my card supported it
[10:12] <bob2> e_machinist: read the instructions that came with it
 Where do I get those drivers, intel?
[10:13] <e_machinist> bob2: No instructions came with it... I got it from ftp.idsoftware.com
[10:13] <geneo93> e_machinist:  sh blah blah blah
 And are there instructions to install (linux noobie)
[10:13] <whendrik> http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/
[10:13] <bob2> TwEeT: as I said, they work out of the box with ubuntu
[10:13] <bob2> TwEeT: you install ubuntu and your wireless card will work
[10:13] <e_machinist> geneo93, you are a life saver.
 I'm confused
[10:14] <TwEeT> woops
[10:14] <TwEeT> that wasn't directed toward you
[10:14] <TwEeT> Do I need drivers or not to support scanning, im being told 2 different things
[10:14] <bob2> TwEeT: what are you confused about?
[10:14] <bob2> TwEeT: no, you're being told one thing
[10:14] <bob2> TwEeT: ubuntu comes with the ipw2100 drivers.  they support scanning.
[10:14] <TwEeT> Thanks
[10:15] <TwEeT> That answers it
[10:15] <geneo93> geez
[10:15] <TwEeT> does ubuntu come with a wifi network manager, such as the one in XP?
[10:15] <bob2> not really
[10:15] <geneo93> bob2 your going to get banned for repeting
[10:15] <bob2> it's not very hard to do manually, tho
[10:15] <bob2> geneo93: no, I'm not
[10:16] <geneo93> j/k
[10:16] <Dreamer3> i hate lighting :-/
[10:16] <Dreamer3> i mean, i love it, but then i hate it
[10:16] <cg0def> there are projects that allow you to manage wi-fi with a gui but they are all in early stages of development
[10:16] <geneo93> Dreamer3:  where are you
[10:16] <cg0def> might not work well
[10:16] <Dreamer3> geneo93: southern indiana
[10:16] <bob2> TwEeT: netapplet is pretty decent
[10:16] <kain> hi, there's an updated list of hoary's metapackages somewhere?
 I've been looking at GTKwifi
[10:16] <geneo93> ahh so northern ohio here
[10:17] <Dreamer3> geneo93: huge lighting/thunder and my modem just WOULD not work... finally had to power down and restart the server... now seems to be fine :-/
[10:17] <TwEeT> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18466&page=7&pp=10
[10:17] <cg0def> TwEeT: yeah what bob2 said
[10:17] <Dreamer3> except my server loses it's BIOS evertime you power it off... so i had to boot from floppy and reflash the CIOS
[10:17] <whendrik> which kernel does ubuntu use by default?
[10:17] <geneo93> Dreamer3:  i killed 3 modems that way
[10:17] <bob2> whendrik: warty 2.6.8.1, hoary 2.6.10
[10:18] <Dreamer3> geneo93: and i still haven't gotten to see Hoary's Gnome... fighting with X
[10:18] <whendrik> the default from kernel.org withiut modification?
[10:18] <crimsun> kain: you may be able to deduce from http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/
[10:18] <kain> hi, there's an updated list of hoary's metapackages somewhere?
[10:18] <kain> mm
[10:18] <Hiddenwolf> Anyone here able to help me debug an xorg that won't start?
[10:18] <karl> i'm looking at my synaptic package manager and i see that nvidia-glx is not installed, but nvidia-glx-dev is -- should I install nvidia-glx for full nvidia hardware acceleration?
[10:18] <bob2> whendrik: of course not, it has dozens of bug fixes and features added
[10:18] <geneo93> Dreamer3:  thats ati right
[10:18] <kain> crimsun, k, I will find ubuntu*
[10:18] <whendrik> all on ubuntu website?
[10:18] <bob2> Hiddenwolf: I'd really ask on the list, you're way more likely to get it sorted it out...
[10:18] <bob2> whendrik: the patches? yes.
[10:18] <kain> crimsun, bug higgs started bahaving strange
[10:19] <e_machinist> uhoh... the instal can't find default.cfg
[10:19] <Dreamer3> geneo93: no, savage mx/iv... thinkpad t22
[10:19] <e_machinist> haha... stupid idsoftware.
[10:19] <bob2> karl: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto, read that
[10:19] <karl> thanks bob2
[10:19] <whendrik> i get more and more interested in ubuntu...
[10:19] <Dreamer3> geneo93: X starts and works fine, but when you exit leaves the video in some interim state... doesn't return to console
[10:19] <geneo93> Dreamer3:  you try vesa drivers yet
[10:19] <Dreamer3> geneo93: um, i'm not going to switch from savage to vesa driver s:)
[10:19] <TwEeT> If I install the preview release, will i be able to upgrade in the future?
[10:19] <bob2> TwEeT: of course
[10:20] <whendrik> fabio is the leader!
[10:20] <bob2> TwEeT: not much is going to change in the next few days, tho
[10:20] <Dreamer3> geneo93: though i would like to know how to tell ubuntu to rebuilt my xorg.conf file, or give me a default... it seemed to use my old one...
[10:20] <cg0def> Dreamer3: change your video driver from frame buffer to something else and it'll get fixed
[10:20] <TwEeT> Cool
[10:20] <Dreamer3> cg0def: huh?
[10:20] <TwEeT> I'm curious, how did ubuntu get started?
[10:20] <cg0def> Dreamer3: what is yout video driver for x
[10:20] <Dreamer3> cg0def: i'm downloading the 6.8.2-8 update now, see if it fixes it
[10:21] <Dreamer3> cg0def: savage, and it worked fine in warty, switching to vesa or framebuffer is not an option :)
[10:21] <Dreamer3> cg0def: and it works fine now, just leaves video initialized wrong when you reutrn to console, though switching while in X works fine
[10:21] <whendrik> is pax inplemented in the kernel of ubuntu?
[10:21] <cg0def> Dreamer3: well what I ment is that fb has a problem and your shouldn't use it unless there is no other choise
[10:22] <bob2> whendrik: no
[10:22] <Dreamer3> cg0def: not using fb :)
[10:22] <Dreamer3> cg0def: after i get this xorg update i'm going to get the new kernel...
[10:22] <Dreamer3> cg0def: if it all just starts working i'll be happy
[10:22] <cg0def> Dreamer3: but apparently fb and vesa are not the only problematic drivers :( sorry
[10:22] <whendrik> just got iso on my hh!
[10:24] <synd> hey guys, i just did a fresh install of hoary. is it ok to uncomment all the debs in the sources.list and then apt-get update/upgrade?
[10:25] <Bazzi> synd yes it is %)
[10:25] <bob2> synd: if that's what you want, yeah
[10:25] <Dreamer3> synd: yo!
[10:25] <Dreamer3> synd: i got hoary too, but i gots ze problems :)
[10:25] <synd> ; (
[10:25] <synd> : (*
[10:25] <Dreamer3> synd: not terrible... just my X won't exit properly
[10:25] <synd> i tried going from warty to hoary... but things got REALLY messed up
[10:25] <synd> i dont know what i did
[10:26] <bob2> synd: were you using 'backports'?
[10:26] <Dreamer3> synd: hmmm the upgrade was actually pretty smooth, except for this X issue, and it not installing a newer kernel
[10:26] <synd> bob2: no, i completely delete backports before the upgrade
[10:26] <Dreamer3> bob2: i was using backports, but cleaned all all the system-related ones before my dist-upgrade
[10:26] <bob2> synd: delete = uninstall?
[10:27] <Dreamer3> bob2: i'm sure they cause some people problem, but if you're careful and conservative i'm not sure how they'd break everything
[10:27] <geneo93> hehe
[10:27] <Dreamer3> *glad he doesn't have to do this for another 6 months*
[10:27] <crimsun> "careful and conservative" and those backports seem clashing
[10:27] <synd> bob2: well i asked here if i should just get rid of the backports from my sources.list while i was changing all that stuff to hoary instead of warty
[10:27] <bob2> Dreamer3: I don't think they would, either
[10:27] <bob2> Dreamer3: they're just badly designed
[10:27] <Dreamer3> crimsun: *laughs*
[10:27] <bob2> synd: just removing them from your sources.list isn't enough
[10:27] <Dreamer3> crimsun: you know anything about X.org?
[10:27] <TwEeT> I'm bored with Windows
[10:27] <bob2> synd: you'd need to uninstall them and reinstall the ubuntu versions
[10:28] <Seveas> upgrade warty <-> hoary went smooth here
[10:28] <synd> bob2: ack!
[10:28] <bob2> warty -> hoary was ok here too
[10:28] <Seveas> but of course I did not use BP :)
[10:28] <synd> bob2: i guess thats where things went wrong
[10:28] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i upgraded to Hoary and it all works, but X doesn't un-initialize or something on shutdown and my display just says "bad signal" (you know the error) i have to hit ctrl-alt-del (And the system shutsdown normall)...
[10:28] <Dreamer3> crimsun: any ideas?
[10:28] <synd> see i did the warty to hoary on my laptop and it did fine.. and i didnt do the backports thing like i did on this computer
[10:29] <Dreamer3> crimsun: oh, and would you know how to tell debian to generate a new xorg.conf?  it's using my old one (i had a custom x.org with warty)... and it didn't touch it... so i'd like to see what it's sane default would be
[10:29] <aod> so now it says i need ndiswrapper-modules, which isn't avaialble on the ndiswrapper website
[10:29] <aod> arg
[10:29] <bob2> Dreamer3: reading the head of the file tells you how to get the default back
[10:29] <bob2> aod: dude
[10:29] <synd> so i just downloaded the .iso on my Mac and burned the image of hoary and reformatted that drive with the messed up hoary
[10:29] <bob2> aod: are you reading the URL I gave you or not?
[10:29] <Seveas> aod, ndiswrapper modules come standard with Ubuntu
[10:29] <crimsun> Dreamer3: need more diagnostic info, like /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf in addition to lspci -v, lsmod, and dmesg output
[10:29] <aod> yes, i downloaded the -utils
[10:30] <bob2> aod: you read the howto I pointed you at?
[10:30] <aod> and i goto install it and it says ndiswrapper-utils is depended on ndiswrapper-modules-1.1
[10:30] <Dreamer3> crimsun: yikes :)
[10:30] <synd> ugh that reminds me I gotta re-setup frickin ndiswrapper
[10:30] <Seveas> aod, did you download the utils manually???
[10:30] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i'll see if this latest xorg update fixes it first
[10:30] <Seveas> or with apt-get?
[10:30] <crimsun> -8 is a configuration fix for upgrades, Dreamer3
[10:31] <aod> i downloaded the deb files and used synaptic
[10:31] <bob2> aod: because I don't see anything in that page that mentions installing "ndiswrapper-modules"
[10:31] <Dreamer3> crimsun: oh?
[10:31] <Dreamer3> crimsun: so i should expect it to not fix it?
[10:31] <bob2> aod: please just read the howto again (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper)
[10:31] <geneo93> now if his network aint up how could he use apt
[10:31] <TwEeT> Does anyone have an Acer Travelmate notebook with the button to turn off WIFI
[10:31] <Seveas> aod, you should not manually download debfiles, just install them with spt-get or synaptic
[10:31] <crimsun> Dreamer3: no, unless it's dependent on migrating your earlier XF86Config-4/xorg.conf
[10:31] <geneo93> Seveas:  how if you have no connection
[10:32] <Seveas> ah, point taken
[10:32] <Dreamer3> crimsun: xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/xorg.conf; file has
[10:32] <Dreamer3>    been customized
[10:32] <Seveas> well then, download the correct version of the utils
[10:32] <Dreamer3> crimsun: if i remove it will reinstalling xserver-xorg give me a new file i wonder...
[10:32] <Seveas> or the matching kernel & restricted modules with it
[10:32] <geneo93> he can use dpkg to install it though
[10:32] <aod> i did use dpkg
[10:32] <Seveas> aod, then you simply downloaded the wrong version
[10:32] <bob2> aod: seriously, read that page, it explains it all
[10:33] <synd> whats the sudo command to restart
[10:34] <TwEeT> sudo shutdown
[10:34] <TwEeT> lol
[10:34] <Dreamer3> crimsun: ah, no i have a default again... so i'll try with that
[10:34] <TwEeT> thats all i know
[10:34] <synd> no, i want to restart
[10:34] <Dreamer3> brb
[10:34] <geneo93> reboot
[10:34] <Dreamer3> exit
[10:34] <aod> both the source  and util deb files are 1.1
[10:34] <TwEeT> sudo shutdown -r now
[10:34] <TwEeT> i think
[10:34] <bob2> aod: seriously, read the howto
[10:35] <chromate> hi everyone--is there some sort of program that gives screen-like functionality to programs that use X Windows?
[10:35] <bob2> you're just wasting your and everyone else's time
[10:35] <aod> you mean the part where ut says install the package ndiswrapper-utils
[10:35] <synd> aod: that you are
[10:35] <aod> which is what i did
[10:35] <geneo93> bob2 maybe he has add like i have
[10:35] <bob2> aod: yes
[10:35] <TwEeT> is there an ubuntuguide.org type guide ported for hoary?
[10:35] <Seveas> chromate, describe "screen like functionality"
[10:35] <aod> exactly what i did
[10:36] <Seveas> TwEeT, lots of things from that page still apply to hoary
[10:36] <chromate> Seveas: GNU Screen--a way i can keep programs running on the computer and then attach to them from other sessions
[10:36] <Seveas> chromate, vnc?
[10:36] <jnoreiko> morning :)
[10:36] <bob2> aod: which step are you up to?
[10:37] <Seveas> is available from a standard Ubuntu install :)
[10:37] <aod> i told you what i did and the error i got
[10:37] <aod> which is step 2
[10:37] <TwEeT> I loved that guide for warty
[10:37] <TwEeT> thats how i survived
[10:38] <chromate> Seveas: that creates a whole new X session though. my main problem is this; i often use gaim from several locations and if i just sign on from a new location i cannot see if my other location has received any new messages. if i used screen and naim, i would be able to.  i wanted to know if i could do something similar with gaim especially
[10:38] <geneo93> well i aint a fan of debian so i struggled through it here
[10:38] <bob2> aod: I'm not sure how you got that error
[10:39] <aod> and i went to the sourceforge site and it says the modules file in unavaiable
[10:39] <Seveas> chromate, i know of no such tool (which of course doen't mean that it doesn't exist)
[10:39] <bob2> aod: nothing seems to depend on ndiswrapper-modules-1.1
[10:39] <bob2> aod: ignore sourceforge
[10:39] <aod> ok but i can't ignore the error
[10:39] <chromate> Seveas: yeah... didn't think it existed... i'm sure if it did more people would be aware of it... then again screen isn't all that popular either
[10:40] <bob2> aod: you get that error when installing the "ndiswrapper-utils" package?
[10:40] <bob2> aod: can you show us the EXACT error (in #flood)?
[10:40] <Seveas> but screen is nice (i expected you meant thaat, just wanted to be sure)
[10:40] <Seveas> then again, screen also attaches a terminal session, not a single program :)
[10:41] <TwEeT> ubuntu needs a graphical boot , just for eye candy
[10:41] <synd> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary-security_main_binary-i386_Packages) W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary-security_restricted_binary-i386_Packages)
[10:41] <synd> im getting those as errors
[10:41] <Seveas> TwEeT, they're eorking on it
[10:41] <synd> any idea?
[10:41] <crimsun> synd: no, those are warnings
[10:41] <synd> how to get rid of them?
[10:41] <synd> oh.
[10:41] <bob2> synd: that's fine, ignore it
[10:42] <synd> if you say so : )
[10:42] <bob2> synd: it's pretty clear, tho...you have the same lines in there more than once
 is it planned for hoary final?
[10:42] <Seveas> synd, there's a duplicate entry in your sources.list, pretty harmless but annoying :)
[10:42] <bob2> TwEeT: no
[10:42] <synd> ah!
[10:42] <TwEeT> ic
[10:42] <Seveas> TwEeT, rofl, hoary final is in 8 days, USplash would take months to implement, you do the math :)
[10:42] <TwEeT> So they are just working on it to work on it?
[10:42] <TwEeT> REALLY
[10:42] <bob2> TwEeT: it was aimed for hoary, but there wasn't time
[10:42] <Seveas> TwEeT, it's a release goal for breezy
[10:42] <TwEeT> Oh ok
[10:42] <bob2> TwEeT: now it's aimed at hoary +1, aiui
[10:43] <Seveas> (ubuntu 5.10, october 2005)
[10:43] <TwEeT> I didn't realize it was that hard
[10:43] <bob2> the ubuntu people do have to sleep every now and then ;)
[10:43] <Seveas> bob2, lol :)
[10:43] <bob2> they get grouchy if you keep them up all week, surprisingly
[10:43] <bob2> then they throw lollies
[10:43] <TwEeT> hheeh
[10:43] <whendrik_> bob2 are you ubuntu developper?
[10:44] <bob2> whendrik_: nah, I just have to work with them ;-)
[10:44] <Dreamer3> crimsun: how do i get all that to you? (i'm not a total newbie here, fyi... X.org.log the only real error is the synaptics driver - which i don't have)
 how long have you worked with linux?
[10:44] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i'm still seeing if the newer kernel might somehow fix it
[10:44] <bob2> TwEeT: worked as a job? since last may.  as a user, since...2001 or so
[10:44] <crimsun> Dreamer3: pastebin.com
[10:44] <TwEeT> Oh ok
[10:45] <TwEeT> Wow, you use linux for work. What is your occupation?
[10:45] <bob2> TwEeT: programmer for canonical (the company sponsoring ubuntu)
 nice
[10:46] <thejinj> Hello all...
[10:46] <chromate> Sevear: correction. you were right. VNC can be used to accomplish this. i am currently connecting remotely to the computer running this session of GAIM. however, even on a LAN, this is slow as hell =)
[10:46] <aod> there, bob
[10:46] <Seveas> chromate, tweak your vnc settings :)
[10:46] <chromate> Sevear: now if only there were a way to accomplish this same functionality with just a single application, not the whole windowing system, that would be nice :-p
[10:46] <bob2> aod: where did you get ndiswrapper-utils from?  ubuntu.com?
[10:46] <Seveas> i've seen people doing live-demos with vnc smoothly on 11mbps wireless
[10:47] <aod> sourceforge
[10:47] <thejinj> Has anyone here had experience setting up a VPN to work over NAT?
[10:47] <bob2> aod: you need to get it from ubuntu
[10:49] <jintxo> thejinj, I connect to my VPN at work (I'm behind a NAT router) no differnet than not being behind nat. Ifthe vpn server you want to connect to is behind nat then you will have to do some por forwarding (but don't know which ports, though)
[10:49] <sabmoc> anyone know where I can find those nice looking four pixel high "css valid" images? The really really small ones.
[10:49] <sabmoc> Who makes those?
[10:49] <lifesayko> dunno
[10:49] <kain> sabmoc, wait
[10:49] <kain> I'll search a link for you
[10:50] <chromate> Seveas: well, i am also on 11mbps wireless right now. i looked at the configuration file, didn't really see anything interesting.
[10:50] <Dreamer3> crimsun: what info do you need again?
[10:50] <sabmoc> kain:: it would be really helpful if I could find out who makes them. but if you can just find me a link that would be helpful too
[10:51] <kain> sabmoc, yes, I always forget the url, just wait a sec to find it
[10:51] <kain> sabmoc, you mean this? http://www.kalsey.com/tools/buttonmaker/
[10:51] <synd> how do i check if i updated to RC or not?
[10:52] <Dreamer3> crimsun: ?
[10:52] <sabmoc> kaim, omg!!!
[10:52] <sabmoc> kain!!!
[10:52] <sabmoc> thanks :D
[10:52] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i got Xorg.log, xorg.conf, and lspci ready... did you mention something else?  sorry, in and out of X/irssi/etc, can't scroll up to look
[10:52] <kain> sabmoc, np :)
[10:53] <arek> hi - i first run ubuntu - what is root passwd default?
[10:53] <micsch> there is no root password
[10:53] <bob2> arek: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:53] <bob2> arek: there is no default root password, as it told you at the end of the install
[10:53] <arek> thx
[10:53] <crimsun> Dreamer3: lsmod and dmesg
[10:54] <synd> anyone?
[10:54] <TwEeT> I seem to be having trouble with the wireless drivers for my centrino chipset
[10:54] <Dreamer3> crimsun: are they all supposed to fit in one?
[10:54] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i just posted a bunch and it's all coming back blank?
[10:54] <Dreamer3> crimsun: ah, there we do
[10:54] <Dreamer3> http://www.pastebin.com/265106
[10:54] <bob2> TwEeT: how so?
[10:55] <TwEeT> It doesn't seem to be detecting
[10:55] <Dreamer3> crimsun: the rest is coming right up
[10:55] <micsch> if the network during the installation isn't configured correctly the installation won't work.
[10:55] <e_machinist> Is it dangerous to run fsck on a mounted filesystem?
[10:55] <whendrik_> dont do it
[10:55] <crimsun> e_machinist: extremely
[10:55] <whendrik_> not nessecercly
[10:56] <TwEeT> normally in windows, there is a light that lights up in the front that shows when it scans, then it turns solid when it connects, right now its not on
[10:56] <e_machinist> When should I run fsck?
[10:56] <crimsun> e_machinist: assuming it's rw
[10:56] <e_machinist> Or how should I say.
[10:56] <crimsun> e_machinist: preferrably on an unmounted fs
[10:56] <bob2> TwEeT: run "dmesg | grep ipw21", does it print anything?
[10:56] <Dreamer3> crimsun: http://www.pastebin.com/265106 and http://www.pastebin.com/265107
[10:56] <TwEeT> no
[10:56] <e_machinist> ok... so... since I only have one ext3 filesystem, should I boot from the live CD and run fsck from there?
[10:56] <bob2> TwEeT: is there a button to enable it or something?
[10:57] <TwEeT> yes
[10:57] <TwEeT> i've tried pressing it
[10:57] <TwEeT> then running that command
[10:57] <TwEeT> no go
[10:57] <micsch> is this a b
[10:57] <micsch> ug?
[10:57] <rtud2> hello
[10:57] <crimsun> e_machinist: that's the better solution
[10:57] <bob2> TwEeT: how about "sudo modprobe ipw2100", then the dmesg thing?
[10:57] <e_machinist> heh, I knew it....
[10:57] <e_machinist> My Mac OS X days are coming in handy.
[10:57] <e_machinist> Boot everything from the disc.. haha.
[10:58] <rtud2> I need help installing JRE
[10:58] <TwEeT> yep
[10:58] <TwEeT> that printed something
[10:58] <bob2> TwEeT: woo
[10:58] <crimsun> rtud2: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[10:58] <bob2> TwEeT: did the light come on ?
[10:58] <whendrik_> in a few days our mac mini i arriving
[10:58] <TwEeT> No =/
[10:58] <whendrik_> cant wait
[10:58] <bob2> TwEeT: try the button now
[10:58] <bob2> tho I guess it's possible the button won't work under linux
[10:58] <TwEeT> i guess that too
[10:58] <rtud2> I want the java to show in my mozilla firefox
[10:58] <bob2> which would suck, a lot
[10:59] <geneo93> crimsun:  isn't there a shutdown command to force a fsck on reboot
[10:59] <TwEeT> ya
[10:59] <TwEeT> it didn't come on
[10:59] <bob2> rtud2: did you try the instructions on the wiki?
[10:59] <Dreamer3> crimsun: did ya get?
[10:59] <TwEeT> i did notice something when i ran dmesg without the grep
[10:59] <crimsun> Dreamer3: yes, but a bit busy atm
[10:59] <rtud2> what is that website?
[10:59] <bob2> TwEeT: hrm.  does "iwconfig" print any big blocks of text?
[10:59] <rtud2> I am new at this
[10:59] <bob2> rtud2: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:59] <arek> i have password on root :(
[10:59] <TwEeT> it said unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0xd5 on isa0090/serio0)
[11:00] <crimsun> geneo93: yes, -F
[11:00] <bob2> arek: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:00] <TwEeT> Use setkeycodes e055 <keycode> to make it known
[11:00] <geneo93> ty
[11:00] <bob2> TwEeT: when you ran dmesg?
[11:00] <n4cht> ok, has anyone had problems with gaim?  i can't get sounds to work at all and it's really pissing me off.
[11:00] <TwEeT> yes
[11:01] <Dreamer3> crimsun: just whenever you get a sec, i'll limp along change to terminals and killing X till then i suppose :)
[11:01] <n4cht> same problem?
[11:01] <bob2> TwEeT: try "iwconfig"
[11:01] <TwEeT> i did
[11:01] <TwEeT> it gave some output on eth1 which is the card
[11:01] <crimsun> Dreamer3: will get to it shortly :)
[11:01] <TwEeT> but it wasn't configured
[11:01] <Dreamer3> crimsun: thanks, really appreciate it
[11:02] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i'm thinking it won't be simple, but love it if it is
[11:02] <bob2> TwEeT: cool
[11:02] <shiznix> a question about ubuntu security releases, how are they released and users notified ?
[11:02] <bob2> TwEeT: what's the essid of your network?
[11:02] <TwEeT> lambrechts.net
[11:02] <TwEeT> YES
[11:02] <TwEeT> i just set it through the GUI
[11:02] <TwEeT> network seettings
[11:02] <TwEeT> and it seems to be working
[11:02] <bob2> shiznix: they go to the ubunut-security repository, and get announced on the ubuntu-security-announce list
[11:02] <TwEeT> hold please
[11:02] <bob2> TwEeT: woo
[11:03] <azazel_> anyone knows why there aren't ppc packages of openoffice2  and maybe where i can find them?
[11:03] <TwEeT> It says activating interface "eth1"
[11:03] <TwEeT> ....
[11:03] <TwEeT> ...
[11:03] <TwEeT> ...
[11:03] <TwEeT> ...
[11:03] <n4cht> ok..  here's a fun one for yall.. installing kde broke my gnome.
[11:03] <TwEeT> ...
[11:03] <TwEeT> um
[11:03] <Bazzi> n4cht yay \o/
[11:03] <TwEeT> is it supposed to take this long?
[11:03] <Bazzi> pwnt by KDE so it seems
[11:03] <TwEeT> oh yaay
[11:03] <TwEeT> eth1 is active
[11:03] <n4cht> pwnt?  shit.  try straight up PAWNED.
[11:04] <TwEeT> \o/
[11:04] <crimsun> azazel_: there seem to be
[11:04] <n4cht> s'ok though cuz i normally use fluxbox or afterstep.  never did care much for 'desktop environments' anyhow.
[11:04] <geneo93> n4cht:  did you do simple kde install or kubuntu
[11:04] <shiznix> bob2: i see, and what form do they take, ie. source patch or binary ?
[11:04] <TwEeT> its taking a long time to close out of network connections
[11:05] <TwEeT> uh o
[11:05] <jnoreiko> I launched OOo in workspace 4 and switched back to 1. when the main window was ready it popped up in 1.. is this a bug?
[11:05] <azazel_> crimsun: ? i see only i386 packages on archive.ubuntulinux.org
[11:05] <TwEeT> i still can't get on the internet
[11:05] <bob2> TwEeT: chill
[11:05] <TwEeT> hehe
[11:05] <bob2> TwEeT: go to a terminal and run "route -n"
[11:05] <bob2> TwEeT: how many lines does it print?  does one of them start with "0.0.0.0"?
[11:05] <n4cht> geneo93, kde install.   i refuse to run anything that's kde-centric.  i've already got mepis on this box, i don't need any more kde.  i just wanted to see how it would run in ubuntu w/out kbuntu.
[11:05] <TwEeT> 1 time
[11:05] <n4cht> and i'd have to say, overall... abyssmal.
[11:06] <TwEeT> and it doesn't print any numbers
[11:06] <TwEeT> only destination, etc
[11:06] <crimsun> azazel_: try ,,apt-cache policy openoffice.org2'' in a Terminal/Konsole
[11:06] <bob2> TwEeT: hm, ok.  how about this: "sudo pkill dhclient ; sudo dhclient eth1", then "route -n" again?
[11:06] <geneo93> well i can tell you both are living here on hoary just fine
[11:06] <n4cht> apt-get install kde didn't work out so well for me on hoary.
[11:07] <Seveas> jnoreiko, no, that's the way it works
[11:07] <azazel_> crimsun: W: Unable to locate package openoffice.org2
[11:07] <Dae|afterglow> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:07] <jnoreiko> weird
[11:07] <geneo93> n4cht:  try apt-get install gdm
 its taking a long time
[11:07] <netgrabber> hi all
[11:07] <n4cht> geneo93, i've already got gdm.
[11:07] <TwEeT> i don't think the gui configured it correctly
[11:07] <HappyPills> Hoary uses xorg instead of xfree86 right?
[11:08] <netgrabber> my thunderbird crashes when i try to print something
[11:08] <n4cht> if that fixes it though...
[11:08] <Seveas> jnoreiko, not really
[11:08] <HappyPills> or am I just confused...
[11:08] <geneo93> HappyPills:  yes
[11:08] <n4cht> i'll.. well i dunno WHAT i'll do.
[11:08] <bob2> HappyPills: right
[11:08] <Seveas> a new window simply pops up in the workspace where you are
 No DHCPOFFERS recieved
[11:08] <HappyPills> so if I upgraded from Warty and am missing the xorg.conf file, chances are I am still using Xfree86?
[11:08] <bob2> TwEeT: ok
[11:09] <HiddenWolf> What's the most direct way to kill X?
[11:09] <bob2> TwEeT: can you run "sudo iwconfig essid lambrechts.net"
[11:09] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, <ctrl><alt><backspace>
[11:09] <geneo93> n4cht:  just try reinstalling all the gnome componets is what i did last time
[11:09] <n4cht> ctrl+alt+backspace.
[11:09] <bob2> TwEeT: er, "sudo iwconfig eth1 essid lambrechts.net"
[11:09] <HiddenWolf> Saveas: didn't cut it
[11:09] <bob2> TwEeT: then run "iwconfig eth1" and see if it prints your essid in the firsyt line?:
[11:09] <TwEeT> yep
[11:10] <lifesayko> hey, for a dell laptop, should I upgrade the processor or the screen?
[11:10] <Seveas> bob2, don;t forget iwconfig eth1 commit (sometimes neccesary)
[11:10] <crimsun> azazel_: you have -common, correct?
[11:10] <n4cht> geneo93, will do.  i'm gonna give that a shot.
[11:10] <TwEeT> it worked
[11:10] <bob2> Seveas: hrm, ok, didn't even know that existed
[11:10] <n4cht> lifeless, processor.
[11:10] <n4cht> err
[11:10] <bob2> TwEeT: ok, now try the dhclient command again
[11:10] <n4cht> lifesayko, rather.
[11:10] <netgrabber> You can find the error message on http://rafb.net/paste/results/RZmMvk60.html
[11:10] <Seveas> bob2, yeah, some cards need it for settings to be, well, committed
[11:10] <aod> ya i had the wrong version
[11:10] <aod> got it working now
 does it matter if i have encryption on my connection?
[11:10] <HappyPills> if that is the case how do I switch to xorg instead of xfree86? Can I just copy one config file over the other and change some startup settings in /etc/init.d?
[11:10] <lifesayko> rofl, thanks
[11:10] <azazel_> crimsun: -common? i switched from sid to hoary some weeks ago
[11:11] <Seveas> TwEeT, it does :) WEP, WPA, 802.1x?
[11:11] <TwEeT> WEP
[11:11] <n4cht> HappyPills, i'd suggest apt-cache search xorg.
[11:11] <TwEeT> weak =/
[11:11] <azazel_> crimsun: yes i have -common and the dian specific files:) sorry
[11:11] <Seveas> then iwconfig eth1 key your_wep_key
[11:11] <n4cht> then apt-get install <xorg package>
[11:11] <bob2> TwEeT: er, yes
[11:12] <synd> any way i can add other things to the "add to panel" option?
[11:12] <azazel_> crimsun: s/dian/debian
[11:12] <e_machinist> Alright, the live cd idea was a no go.
[11:12] <bob2> TwEeT: you need to set the WEP key, too
[11:12] <e_machinist> How do I run fsck without mounting my main filesystem?
[11:12] <Seveas> HappyPills, why not just apt-get install ubuntu-desktop, that gives you a complete Ubuntu system :)
[11:12] <lifesayko> in ubuntu, how can I get a clock onto the desktop bar?
[11:12] <Seveas> e_machinist, from a livecd?
[11:12] <synd> lifesayko: this is one
[11:12] <bob2> TwEeT: sudo iwconfig eth1 key "yourwepkeyhere"
[11:12] <TwEeT> I ran the DHCP command again, should I have done that?
[11:12] <synd> lifesayko: i mean, there is one
[11:12] <HappyPills> Seveas: I'll give that a try later tongiht
[11:12] <HappyPills> thanks
[11:13] <lifesayko> oh, oops
[11:13] <lifesayko> sorry, I'm just used to looking bottom right >_< sorry
[11:13] <Seveas> :)
[11:13] <geneo93> e_machinist:  try shutdown -r -F now
[11:13] <synd> lifesayko: you can move it down there
[11:13] <Seveas> lifesayko, you can put it there :)
[11:13] <synd> lifesayko: just right click, unlock it, then right click and move
[11:13] <TwEeT> =(, didn't work
[11:13] <e_machinist> recursively force a shutdown?
[11:13] <lifesayko> ^_^
[11:13] <lifesayko> thank you
[11:13] <bob2> TwEeT: didn't work?
[11:14] <Seveas> lol e_machinist :)
[11:14] <TwEeT> nope =(
[11:14] <bob2> TwEeT: how do you mean?
[11:14] <Seveas> recursively shutting down the internet...
[11:14] <synd> lifesayko: welcome
[11:14] <bob2> there are lots of ways it could "not work"
[11:14] <n4cht> i recursively shut down my bunghole.
[11:14] <TwEeT> Wow
[11:14] <e_machinist> fsck is proving to be elusive.
[11:14] <Seveas> e_machinist, you need to run the right fsck..
[11:14] <TwEeT> I think i fixed it, I hit the button then I ran the command and it gave me more info such as bit rate, etc
[11:14] <TwEeT> The DREADED butto
[11:14] <TwEeT> n
[11:15] <bob2> I don't know what button it could be
[11:15] <e_machinist> Seveas, running just "fsck" in a terminal runs it fine... I just am not supposed to run it on a mounted filesystem.
[11:15] <TwEeT> IT WORKED
[11:15] <e_machinist> That is the problem.
[11:15] <n4cht> bob2, i think he was referring to the fact that a lot of us fancy CLI over GUI.
[11:15] <TwEeT> The button on the front of my laptop
[11:15] <bob2> n4cht: oh, right
[11:15] <bob2> TwEeT: ah
[11:15] <n4cht> or not.  heh.
[11:16] <bob2> guess it connects the aerial to the card
[11:16] <TwEeT> that is a real stupid design
[11:16] <e_machinist> Does Ubuntu run fsck automatically on startup?
[11:16] <TwEeT> but anyways, is it possible to get that to work under linux
[11:16] <bob2> e_machinist: only if it needs to
[11:16] <azazel_> crimsun: any idea?:)
[11:16] <bob2> TwEeT: isn't it working now?
[11:16] <TwEeT> The wireless is, im talking about the button
[11:16] <geneo93> 30 boots it does
[11:16] <bob2> not simply
[11:16] <e_machinist> bob2, how would I go about running fsck manually?
[11:17] <bob2> TwEeT: what sort of laptop is it?
[11:17] <n4cht> ok.  gnome and kde both totally reinstalled.  brb  gonna try running one of them.
[11:17] <crimsun> azazel_: openoffice.org2 failed to build from source (FTBFS) on ppc on 27 Feb, 2005, due to missing compressed image sets (icons?).
[11:17] <TwEeT> Acer Travelmate
[11:17] <TwEeT> Acer Travelmate 4000
[11:17] <bob2> e_machinist: boot into single user mode ("recovery" I think it's called on the grub menu), remount / ro, run fsck
[11:17] <bob2> I'd think
[11:17] <bob2> TwEeT: hrm, ok, dunno then
[11:17] <azazel_> crimsun: mmm... and the image sets are architecture specific?:)
 Would anyone know?
[11:18] <bob2> TwEeT: I'm not really sure who'd know...it's probably an acpi thing.
[11:18] <bob2> TwEeT: is it that the light doesn't work?  or that it's not enabled on startup?
[11:19] <TwEeT> I'm not sure if its enabled on startup, but the light doesn't work either
[11:19] <crimsun> azazel_: no, beyond what the buildd log says, I don't know why it failed there.
[11:19] <crimsun> Dreamer3: reading
[11:20] <Dreamer3> crimsun: thanks
[11:20] <bob2> TwEeT: so those are the only two problems now?
 right
[11:21] <crimsun> Dreamer3: please add Option "ForceInit" to Section "Device"
[11:21] <crimsun> Dreamer3: then restart gdm
[11:21] <bob2> mjg59: who should TwEeT talk to about getting the little "wifi is on" LED to work on his acer travelmate 4000?
[11:22] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i start x from the console, i assume "restart x" would suffice then?
[11:22] <crimsun> Dreamer3: well, 'startx', but yes
[11:23] <n4cht> geneo93, i could frickin' kiss you right now.   gnome works again.  kde is still ... uh.. stupid and not working properly, but at least i have gnome back.
[11:23] <Dreamer3> crimsun: then try and quit again and see if it's fixed?
[11:23] <crimsun> Dreamer3: however you could reproduce it before, yes
[11:23] <geneo93> n4cht:  np
[11:24] <Dreamer3> crimsun: brb then
[11:24] <mjg59> TwEeT: You probably want to play with acerhk
[11:24] <mjg59> It's not integrated because there's no sensible way of integrating it - it needs all sorts of hardware specific options
[11:24] <TwEeT> Oh ok
[11:25] <TwEeT> acerhk is...?
[11:25] <TwEeT> oh ic
[11:25] <TwEeT> Acer Hot Key driver
[11:25] <geneo93> TwEeT:  dont make me say it
[11:26] <TwEeT> Um... what should I do if my gnome-terminal won't launch
[11:26] <geneo93> ctrl alt f1
[11:27] <ray99> hi, i am trying to install Ubuntu, but I don't understand the partition stuff, I just want to make a new partition of my free space (20 GB) to install Ubuntu on it, and I also want to keep my WinXP partitions... so how should I do that? Configure RAID? LVM?
 ahhh
[11:27] <TwEeT> what do i do know
[11:27] <TwEeT> after i login?
[11:27] <geneo93> oh if your in gnome
[11:28] <geneo93> yes
[11:28] <TwEeT> what
[11:28] <TwEeT> yes?
[11:28] <Seveas> ray99, you mean you currently have free space and want to convert it into a partition?
[11:28] <geneo93> ctrl alt f7 to get back
[11:28] <Seveas> ray99, or do you want to resize another partition?
[11:28] <TwEeT> thanks
[11:28] <TwEeT> but my terminal still isn't loading
[11:29] <TwEeT> it opens up a window but never brings up $
[11:29] <geneo93> hmmm
[11:30] <xukun> ist wise to upgrade to hoary?
[11:30] <ray99> Seveas I want to convert free space into a partition
[11:30] <xukun> can I take that as no?
[11:30] <Seveas> ray99, doesn't the installer give you that option?
[11:31] <geneo93> xukun:  if you dont have backports install yes
[11:31] <crimsun> xukun: Hoary final is out on 8 April, 2005.  I most certainly hope it's in a position where a dist-upgrade is safe (which it is and has been for some time).
[11:31] <synd> anyone play Kolf?? its quite amusing
[11:32] <geneo93> synd:  yes my best is 35
[11:32] <synd> geneo93:  which course
[11:32] <ray99> Seveas no it doesn't I can only choose from Configure Software RAID and Configure Logical Volume Manager or installing Ubuntu by removing all current partitions from my harddisk
[11:32] <geneo93> on the mediam course
[11:32] <xukun> crimsun, I see. can I ask which version you are using?
 How do I make my terminal respond again?
[11:33] <crimsun> xukun: I use Hoary mainly, but I do use Warty, Sarge, and Sid machines as well.
[11:33] <bob2> TwEeT: don't know what the problem is, sorry
[11:33] <bob2> TwEeT: could be network-related
[11:33] <bob2> TwEeT: makes sure "lo" is still up
[11:34] <TwEeT> My network works
[11:34] <TwEeT> and internet and all
[11:34] <TwEeT> just gnome-terminal doesn't load
[11:34] <ray99> Seveas I have also tryed cfdisk but it says: FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 1, it overlaps Logical . also, I am able to start up fdisk /dev/hda but I see cylinders and I don't really know how much cylinders are ... MB ?
[11:34] <geneo93> bob2 he cant bring up terminal
[11:34] <bob2> geneo93: yes, I know
[11:34] <bob2> and I had that same problem when lo went away
[11:35] <geneo93> oic
[11:35] <TwEeT> lo?
[11:35] <bob2> TwEeT: "ifconfig lo", does that print anything?
[11:35] <TwEeT> yes
[11:36] <xukun> crimsun, is there some kind of menual for upgrading, or is just changing warty to hoary in sources.list will do the trick?
[11:36] <TwEeT> I can get into xterm, just not gnome-terminal
[11:36] <bob2> hrm, ok
[11:36] <crimsun> xukun: as long as you're running a pure Warty system, just changing /etc/apt/sources.list and updating && dist-upgrading will do the trick
[11:36] <geneo93> xukun:  do a apt-get update the apt-get dist upgrade
[11:37] <TwEeT> Nothing gnome related seems to work right
[11:37] <TwEeT> how do i log out?
[11:37] <TwEeT> becaues the gui button didn't work
[11:37] <geneo93> ctrl alt backspace TwEeT
[11:37] <xukun> crimsun, yes I,m thanks
[11:38] <TwEeT> screw it, i just rebooted
[11:38] <xukun> geneo93, thanks too
[11:38] <TwEeT> i'll see if the wireless auto enables during reboot also
[11:39] <geneo93> TwEeT:  did u use reset
[11:40] <xukun> crimsun, pure warty, would that mean without universe becouse I have that in my sources.list
[11:40] <TwEeT> i used shutdown -r -f
[11:40] <xukun> ?
[11:40] <crimsun> xukun: universe is still part of Warty :)
[11:41] <xukun> wright
[11:41] <geneo93> k
 it enabled on reboot
[11:41] <TwEeT> its just the light
[11:41] <bob2> cool
[11:42] <geneo93> reboot for me takes some time to spinup scsi's
[11:44] <n4cht> ok... how do you change your gnome splash screen?
[11:44] <geneo93> ggot me i dont gnome
[11:45] <n4cht> probably somewhere in gconf
[11:46] <crimsun> n4cht: under Hoary, System>Administration>Login Screen Setup
[11:48] <geneo93> crimsun:  is there a reason kde menu edit dont work
[11:49] <crimsun> geneo93: more appropriate for #kubuntu, but no, I don't know
[11:49] <n4cht> crimsun, i don't see splash screen in there.  i see gdm setup, but nothing about splash screens at all.
[11:49] <geneo93> k
[11:49] <Dreamer3> crimsun: no dice
[11:50] <Dreamer3> crimsun: "video mode not supported" whenever i quite X, though i can up-arrow and run X again with no problems... just can't get a console...
[11:50] <crimsun> n4cht: with standard or graphical greeter?
[11:50] <Dreamer3> crimsun: and from X i can ctrl-alt-f1 easily enough...
[11:51] <crimsun> Dreamer3: and while X Window System is running, switching to the terminal on tty1 (ctrl+alt+F1) gives you a working console?
[11:51] <Dreamer3> crimsun: yes, while X is running i can switch back and forth easily
[11:52] <n4cht> crimsun, i'm not talking about gdm at all.  i'm talking about the gnome splash screen.  yanno, after you login through gdm, there's the little 'ubuntu' logo that pops up and tells you what gnome's doing while it's starting up.  that's the splash screen.  it's defined in apps/gnome-session/options/splash_image, in gconf.  i'm just trying to figure out where the dir 'splash' is, so i can place my own custom splash there and change the
[11:52] <n4cht>  splash_image key.
[11:53] <n4cht> the standard splash is "splash/ubuntu-splash.png"
[11:55] <n4cht> ah-hah!  it's /usr/share/pixmaps/splash !!!
[11:55] <Dreamer3> crypticreign: next suggestion? :)
[11:55] <Dreamer3> crimsun: next suggestion?
[11:56] <Dreamer3> crimsun: at least now i can test without rebooting... (mess it up, restart x, console, kill x, restart x.....)
[11:56] <crimsun> n4cht: if you're positive that change won't be overwritten when the gdm theme is updated, sure.  I'd clone the current one, rename it, and choose that for customisation.
[11:56] <n4cht> that's what i'm thinking about doing.
[11:59] <n4cht> brb.  trying my new splash
[12:01] <Dreamer3> crimsun: UseBios "true" didn't help...
[12:02] <Dreamer3> crimsun: oh, never mind, it's on by default
[12:02] <crimsun> Dreamer3: hum, I would have asked you to turn it off/use "false"
[12:03] <Dreamer3> crimsun: want me to try that? :)
[12:03] <n4cht> damnit.  starterbar still isn't letting me add anything to it.
[12:03] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i'm also thinking of powering down the laptop completely (can't think if i've done that since i was using DRI before)
[12:03] <Dreamer3> crimsun: false it is, brb
[12:04] <cowbud> n4cht: yah you have to go in and edit the .desktop files it puts in the .gdesklets/MyStarters/idwhatever... directory and remove all entries except [Desktop Entry]  Exec= Icon= and Name=
[12:04] <kev0r> hi there ubuntu-ers!!! Is there a gnome Workspace switcher panel that not only shows the outlines of the screens with an icon, but also what is in the screens?
[12:04] <n4cht> cowbud, thanks.
[12:04] <geneo91> Dreamer3:  turn off pnp bios while your at it
[12:09] <michi_m> I've got a problem compiling openoffice (ooo-build-1.9.79.2) on ubuntu hoary, anyone tried this yet?
[12:09] <Burgundavia_> michi_m: there is a oo.o2 deb in universe
[12:10] <michi_m> i know that =)
[12:10] <Dreamer3> crimsun: ok, set it to false... first time had some static on the screen when moving things, but it seems to be working just spiffy now
[12:10] <michi_m> perhaps it's even a more general problem
[12:10] <Burgundavia_> michi_m: what is your problem?
[12:10] <Dreamer3> the kHz is like .1 off from what the BIOS set it to (per my LCD diags) but seems to work
[12:11] <n4cht> brb
[12:11] <michi_m> i get "checking zlib.h usability... no" when running configure (not only with zlib, also jpeg, expat, xlibs)
[12:11] <michi_m> dev packages are installed
[12:11] <Dreamer3> crimsun: thanks for your help!
[12:11] <michi_m> "checking for deflate in -lz... no"
[12:11] <Dreamer3> crimsun: in the next few days i'll be getting DRI working on here again, so that should be fun :)
[12:12] <Dreamer3> brb, gonna start gnome
[12:12] <crimsun> Dreamer3: fun
[12:13] <Dreamer3> of course that's merely my opinion
[12:14] <crimsun> (I think it's fairly nice)
[12:14] <Dreamer3> crimsun: *shrugs* glad i only see it once every 60 days or so :)
[12:17] <bob2> the font still looks crap
[12:17] <bob2> that's my only complaint
[12:20] <Dreamer3> bob2: for what?
[12:20] <rtud2> anyone heard of the game RYL
[12:20] <bob2> Dreamer3: the text below the progress bar in the splash screen
[12:20] <rtud2> ?
[12:20] <jsgotangco> Risk Your Life
[12:21] <rtud2> yes
[12:21] <jsgotangco> i used to play that along with Tantra and Ragnarok
[12:21] <rtud2> Is there away to install it on Ubuntu?
[12:21] <jsgotangco> have you tried running it via Cedega?
[12:21] <rtud2> there is RYL 2 now
[12:21] <rtud2> now
[12:21] <rtud2> no
[12:22] <rtud2> what is cegega?
[12:22] <rtud2> cedega?
[12:22] <jsgotangco> there's little chance such MMOs would be playable in Cedega with the exception of WoW
[12:22] <jsgotangco> its WINE enhanced for Gaming
[12:22] <bob2> rtud2: www.transgaming.com
[12:22] <rtud2> okay
[12:22] <bob2> a proprietary, for-pay fork of wine
[12:22] <rtud2> hey bob2
[12:23] <rtud2> I got the java to work
[12:23] <bob2> cool
[12:23] <jsgotangco> i still have windows machines at home dedicated to PC games
[12:23] <mjr> WoW actually works on the free Wine (or so I've read from Wine Weekly News)
[12:23] <rtud2> there was a package in another repository
[12:24] <rtud2> much easier
[12:24] <rtud2> ok
[12:24] <psth> arrgh! has anyone just updated and now gets a system hang when they log in?
[12:24] <mjr> rtud2, hmh, no offense, but your nick kinda invites itself to be read as an anagram of itself ;)
[12:24] <rtud2> thanks alll
[12:24] <psth> the whole system just stops dead, and i have to hard-reboot everytime
[12:24] <rtud2> oh
[12:24] <erchache> hello
[12:25] <rtud2> ah well
[12:25] <erchache> i want to install tetex without xfree via apt-get how i can do it?
[12:25] <bob2> erchache: install the tetex package
[12:25] <bob2> tetex doesn't depend on X
[12:25] <keffo> lots of updates
[12:25] <keffo> ;p
[12:25] <keffo> surley
[12:25] <keffo> hehe
[12:25] <keffo> anyone been using cedega? and emulatating an .iso / .mds-file or so..?
[12:25] <mjr> actually, tetex-bin contains xdvi which depends on X, IIRC
[12:25] <bob2> only on xlibs
[12:26] <mjr> well, the X libraries anyway
[12:26] <mjr> yeah
[12:26] <bob2> yeah
[12:26] <erchache> bob2: when i do: apt-get install tetex-bin.....apt-get says install xfree like a additional package
[12:26] <mjr> erchache, just let it slide
[12:26] <bob2> erchache: yes, it needs to install xlibs and xfree86-common (iirc)
[12:26] <bob2> it's not much compared with how freaking huge tetex is by itself
[12:26] <erchache> yes
[12:26] <rtud2> so is this the only web site I can go to www.transgaming.com
[12:26] <bob2> ie, there's no way to get around it
[12:26] <erchache> but i want
[12:26] <psth> anyone just updated hoary and having major problems?
[12:26] <bob2> rtud2: to get winex? yes.
[12:27] <bob2> psth: look in the bts
[12:27] <rtud2> okay thanks bob2
[12:27] <erchache> how i can solve it....adding xfree to apt-get non install pack
[12:27] <bob2> rtud2: or you could try to build it from their CVS
[12:27] <bob2> erchache: you can't
[12:27] <bob2> erchache: it's possible, but a lot of pointless work
[12:27] <erchache> like kernel happs
[12:27] <bob2> ?
[12:33] <synd> hey guys
[12:33] <goldfish> hello
[12:33] <synd> is it ok to apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:33] <synd> after i just installed hoary?
[12:34] <synd> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=108259
[12:34] <synd> those guys are saying no, but ive been told its ok
[12:34] <Dreamer3> can anyone here get to www.theplanet.com or www.dwgsolutions.com?
[12:34] <synd> i cant, either one
[12:35] <synd> anyone know?
[12:37] <synd> damn its already 6am
[12:37] <bob2> synd: ignore the forums
[12:38] <snowblink> Is Hoary due at the beginning or end of next month?
[12:38] <bob2> snowblink: a week or so from now
[12:38] <snowblink> bob2: cheers
[12:39] <DigiKill> good morning
[12:39] <Dreamer3_> hmmmm
[12:39] <Dreamer3_> the planet's entire network could disappear?
[12:39] <DigiKill> has anyone had problems w. the
[12:39] <DigiKill> "TOP" bar not working : nor any real right clicks on install?
[12:39] <DigiKill> Warty\
[12:40] <DigiKill> the planets network disappear : ........how?
[12:40] <DigiKill> i know us Americans have MOST of the IP addys : but : the worlds network disappear?
[12:40] <Dreamer3_> DigiKill: dunno... i'm about to get on the phone
[12:40] <Dreamer3_> nothing
[12:40] <Dreamer3_> ah
[12:40] <Dreamer3_> wait
[12:42] <waxhead> hey everyone
[12:42] <Dreamer3_> sheesh
[12:42] <bob2> DigiKill: you can't kill the internet unless you kill every computer on it
[12:43] <bob2> DigiKill: taking out a few of the major backbones (mostly in the US) would hurt it a lot, tho
[12:43] <waxhead> boy.. there there some updates to install....
[12:43] <Dreamer3_> DigiKill: no, "theplanet.com" :)
[12:43] <DigiKill> ahhh.....was wondering
[12:43] <DigiKill> im on Satellite so no backbone here :P
[12:43] <DigiKill> an EMP on most of the US would suffice tho ;)
[12:44] <DigiKill> if you wanna kill the world's networx
[12:45] <Seveas> DigiKill, the US is not the entire world...
[12:45] <waxhead> what other repositories are there apart from universe?
[12:45] <DigiKill> but the US has most of the IP addys
[12:45] <Seveas> multiverse, main, restricted
[12:45] <DigiKill>  :P
[12:45] <Seveas> DigiKill, so?
[12:45] <waxhead> Seveas, yes it is, if you're american
[12:45] <Seveas> waxhead, :)
[12:46] <waxhead> what's in multiverse?
[12:46] <Seveas> non-free stuff
[12:46] <DigiKill> well......once those IP's are freed up.......since the main servers would be outta commision....dont you think it'd be logica.l that those IP addys' got addressed to say : Canada?
[12:46] <maswan> For ubuntu, killing of the UK would probably be wrose, since there is where the central servers are. :)
[12:46] <DigiKill> or even Mexico
[12:46] <Seveas> check archive.ubuntu.com/pool/multiverse :)
[12:46] <waxhead> I thought that's what was in universe
[12:47] <Seveas> universe is all-stuff-available
[12:47] <Seveas> but too much to support
[12:47] <waxhead> DigiKill, never heard of CIDR?
[12:47] <DigiKill> C I D R?
[12:47] <Seveas> waxhead, probably not :)
[12:47] <DigiKill> not off hand
[12:48] <waxhead> DigiKill, and NAT, which is how the "rest of us" cope with the meagre IP addresses left after the americans got them all
[12:48] <Seveas> taking out UK is not that bad either
[12:48] <Seveas> there are other routing paths
[12:48] <DigiKill> waxhead : im aware of that
[12:48] <Seveas> the internet is designed to survive such failures :)
[12:48] <maswan> Seveas: Sure, the internet would survive. But getting fresh ubuntu packages will suck.
[12:49] <waxhead> Seveas, in reality though, that level of reduncancy isn't there... costs too much.. but that's the point of routing though.. just need some admins to do some overtime...
[12:49] <Seveas> but yeah for ubuntu servers, taking out UK would be bad :)
[12:49] <Seveas> waxhead, true
[12:49] <Seveas> there would be som major problems if all lambdas between europe/us went down
[12:50] <Seveas> DigiKill, i run xchat...
[12:50] <Seveas> you could have asked...
[12:52] <Blue_Tek> does any one no how to get my computer on the net, its running ubuntu warty warthog and its on a wireless network, im new to linux and my wireless network card is a netgear wg311t
[12:53] <BazziD> ow ow
[12:53] <BazziD> Blue_Tek do you know console basics?
[12:54] <Blue_Tek> yes and no, i no a bit
[12:54] <Seveas> ok
[12:54] <Blue_Tek> like cd, ls ls -l all that
[12:54] <BazziD> open a terminal and do "iwconfig" what does that say?
[12:54] <Blue_Tek> im on windows atm
[12:54] <sac> hi all
[12:54] <Seveas> do you have the windows driver of that card on a floppy/usb stick/windows partition of that machine in extracted form (so no exe,zip,rar)
[12:54] <waxhead> hahaha.,...
[12:54] <waxhead> this hsould be fun....
[12:54] <Blue_Tek> yes i have the windows drivers
[12:54] <BazziD> Blue_Tek argh :D
[12:55] <Blue_Tek> on the cd that came with the card
[12:55] <waxhead> bit hard to do it when dual booting I'm guessing
[12:55] <sac> wow! 419 people?!?!?
[12:55] <Seveas> Blue_Tek, i assume that that is an .exe?
[12:55] <waxhead> which sucks...
[12:55] <BazziD> its hard to help when youre on windows but I guess on linux you cant go online at all without wlan?
[12:55] <Seveas> extract it first
[12:55] <Blue_Tek> yes it would be
[12:55] <Seveas> Blue_Tek, do you have the option of temporarily using a wired connection on that machine?
[12:56] <Blue_Tek> 1 thing can i burn ubuntu to a dvd disc?
[12:56] <Blue_Tek> serveas im not sure
[12:56] <Seveas> a wired connection would help a lot, since we can provide real time support while you're in ubuntu
[12:56] <Blue_Tek> atm its got mandrake on it
[12:56] <Blue_Tek> but im planing on putting ubuntu on it
[12:56] <Seveas> ah
[12:56] <Seveas> does the card work with mandrake?
[12:56] <Blue_Tek> nope
[12:56] <Blue_Tek> no idea how to set it up
[12:57] <Seveas> thought so :)
[12:57] <Blue_Tek> lol
[12:57] <BazziD> Blue_Tek well ubuntu should have those drivers
[12:57] <Seveas> the card probably has no native linux drivers
[12:57] <BazziD> its a prism2 card afaik
[12:57] <Blue_Tek> im trying some ndiswrapper thing but im 1000% stuck
[12:57] <Blue_Tek> yes seveas ure right
[12:57] <Blue_Tek> the card dosent have a native linux driver
[12:57] <Seveas> ndiswrapper is quite easy
[12:57] <Blue_Tek> yeah but remember im new to linux
[12:58] <Seveas> :)
[12:58] <BazziD> its the wlan-soemthing-ng driver I think.
[12:58] <Seveas> Blue_Tek, try getting a wired connection, this will be MUCH easier when you can type what we say real-time
[12:58] <Blue_Tek> wats a wired connection?
[12:58] <BazziD> yep
[12:58] <Seveas> using a cable :)
[12:59] <Seveas> so not wireless :)
[12:59] <Blue_Tek> ahh
[12:59] <Blue_Tek> i c
[12:59] <waxhead> hoary is still in release candidate phase?
[12:59] <Seveas> waxhead, yes
[12:59] <Seveas> final release: april 6
[12:59] <Dalkus> waxhead, they are releasing it next week
[12:59] <waxhead> I thought it was stable...
[12:59] <Blue_Tek> i have ubuntu downstairs plugged directly into the router
[12:59] <Blue_Tek> and thats on the net
[12:59] <crimsun> april 8th.
[12:59] <Seveas> waxhead, it is stapble
[12:59] <Blue_Tek> but i wont it up here
[12:59] <Blue_Tek> cause this computers fast
[12:59] <Dalkus> I'm habing
[12:59] <Dalkus> er
[12:59] <waxhead> Seveas, plenty of updates though
[01:00] <Seveas> waxhead, sure, last details things
[01:00] <Seveas> but hoary runs as smooth as silk
[01:00] <Dalkus> I'm having a problem with openoffice. When I load it from either the applications menu or the command line nothing loads, and i get no error message
[01:00] <waxhead> it does.. but I'm finding the window drawoing a little slow...
[01:00] <Dalkus> I've used it before on this box though... any hints?
[01:00] <siimo> will hoary go gold before openoffice2.0
[01:00] <synd> hmmm this KDE isnt so bad
[01:00] <waxhead> but I think it might be the hdd being shutdown (laptop mode)
[01:01] <Seveas> siimo, there will be no supported OOo2 in hoary
[01:01] <synd> it looks like linux for toddlers though :p
[01:01] <waxhead> Seveas, no?  I installed it last night...
[01:01] <waxhead> synd, kde?
[01:01] <Seveas> waxhead, it's in universe
[01:01] <synd> waxhead: kubuntu
[01:01] <siimo> waxhead, read the word 'supported'
[01:02] <Seveas> which means: available, working, but not officially supported
[01:02] <waxhead> siimo, yeah.. I'm still getting my head around what's what..
[01:02] <Dalkus> When I run openoffice, it dosnt load - what can I do?
[01:02] <siimo> waxhead, only stuff in main is supported
[01:02] <waxhead> siimo, right...
[01:02] <sac> anyone has had problems with locales in apache in hoary?
[01:02] <siimo> waxhead, which is mostly the stuff you get on the CD i think
[01:03] <waxhead> is the OOo2 thing becuase of the java dependancy?
[01:03] <Seveas> waxhead, in principle it means: stuff in main is supported by ubuntu developers, stuff in universe only by the MOTU and the community
[01:04] <waxhead> well, bzflag is installed... played it till way too late last night.. :)
[01:06] <siimo> waxhead, nothing to do with it, ooo2 isnt even final yet
[01:06] <nydust> Please help me her: I have a windows nettwork with one linux client (me) the workgroup are named klk. There i have one client called "printserver" with an printer shared, the user on that computer is "Administrator with a password. How do i add this printer to the linux client?
[01:10] <uggwar> anyone know where i can get the menu editor from amaranth? the main server seems to be down
[01:14] <Dreamer3> ok
[01:14] <Dreamer3> i have hoary
[01:14] <Dreamer3> what should i notice is new and sparkley?
[01:14] <Dreamer3> i mean it feels fast, but anything i should be looking for?
[01:14] <Seveas> uggwar: you can find out more about gnome 2.10 (hoary) menu editing on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo
[01:16] <GhostFreeman> can I get the Debian Sensible browser using Synaptic?
[01:17] <black_Nightmare> hey there
[01:17] <crimsun> GhostFreeman: that actually is independent of Debian
[01:17] <kzm> Hi all,
[01:18] <black_Nightmare> heh kzm..morning for you too? :p
[01:18] <Seveas> 13:18 here
[01:18] <kzm> I just s/warty/hoary/g in my sources.list....
[01:18] <kzm> black_nightmare, not really, but I've been away for a while.
[01:18] <uggwar> Seveas, thanks mate!
[01:18] <siimo> kzm, thats good
[01:18] <black_Nightmare> oh ok
[01:18] <black_Nightmare> seveas hehe :p
[01:18] <Seveas> kzm, time tu apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade then :)
[01:19] <kzm> So ... before I upgrade, any particular troubles I should know about?
[01:19] <crimsun> black_Nightmare: /usr/bin/sensible-browser is a perl script that checks the values of the $BROWSER environment variable
[01:19] <kzm> :-)
[01:19] <Seveas> kzm, go for it :)
[01:19] <black_Nightmare> crimsun....?
[01:19] <Seveas> and have patience, it will take over an hour :)
[01:19] <crimsun> black_Nightmare: so just export BROWSER=somebrowser
[01:19] <kzm> E: you don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives
[01:19] <GhostFreeman> ok
[01:19] <Seveas> ouch
[01:19] <black_Nightmare> crimsun..what the hell are you talking about?? lol
[01:20] <crimsun> kzm: aptitude autoclean
[01:20] <Seveas> kzm apt-get clean first
[01:20] <Dalkus> kzm, why are you upgrading now?
[01:20] <Dalkus> Why not wait untill hoary is released?
[01:20] <Seveas> Dalkus, why wait?
[01:20] <crimsun> black_Nightmare: nevermind, sorry.
[01:20] <kzm> Well, why not?
[01:20] <black_Nightmare> heh
[01:20] <Dalkus> Might as well upgrade when the release is...released?
[01:20] <Seveas> might as well do it now :)
[01:20] <crimsun> GhostFreeman: /usr/bin/sensible-browser is a perl script that checks the values of the $BROWSER environment variable, so just export BROWSER=somebrowser
[01:20] <kzm> My box has been working well for some time now.  A bit boring, you know.
[01:21] <Seveas> kzm, i know the feeling, Ubuntu just works too smoothly :)
[01:21] <Seveas> i'd almost say that i miss windows :)
[01:21] <Dalkus> But won't he have to update twice?
[01:21] <kzm> Dalkus, I'll do that too, of course, but then it shouldn't be a big upgrade.
[01:21] <joa_> hello, im having problems with my scsi cdrom burner drive
[01:21] <Dalkus> ok
[01:21] <Seveas> Dalkus, no
[01:21] <joa_> it does not show up in nautilus cd/dvd burner
[01:21] <Dalkus> searcher`, no??
[01:21] <kzm> 640Mb now, and hopefully less then.  Anyway, I got a good connection, so downloads shouldn't matter too much.
[01:21] <joa_> what might be the trouble?
[01:21] <Seveas> only the things that get updated between now and april 8th
[01:22] <joa_> I can see that linux finds it in the dmesg
[01:22] <billyoc> lol
[01:22] <Seveas> kzm, good luck :)
[01:22] <joa_> It prints something like: HP CD-Writer+ 9600
[01:23] <Seveas> kzm, just go get some breakfast|lunch|dinner|coffee
[01:23] <joa_> and SR0: scsi3-mmc
[01:24] <black_Nightmare> joa..no idea....I'll really be guessing hp drives are rebadged
[01:24] <black_Nightmare> I could be wrong thou
[01:24] <black_Nightmare> likewise buslink > lite-on rebadge
[01:25] <joa_> hmm
[01:25] <paco_> hello
[01:25] <joa_> it seems to find the drive allright .. but as a cdrom drive
[01:26] <paco_> Can u send me the hoary repositories ?
[01:27] <root> hey guys
[01:27] <root> \nick lewwy
[01:27] <root> argh
[01:27] <root> it doesnt work
[01:27] <billyoc> ooh boy
[01:31] <waxhead> outer here..
[01:31] <waxhead> cya
[01:32] <corza> can someone help me with sharing my Printer?
[01:32] <HiddenWolf> Does hoary have a problem with audigy2 soundcards?
[01:33] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: yes.  Unfortunately it requires an invasive ALSA update that is difficult to backport.
[01:33] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: so there is no sound for audigy2 owners?
[01:34] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: you could use the emu10k1 (the oss/free) driver
[01:34] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: any pionters on that?
[01:34] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: remove the emu10k1 from ALSA's blacklist
[01:35] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: and blacklist ALSA's snd-emu10k1 and snd-ac97-codec
[01:35] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: also need to remove ac97_codec from the blacklist
[01:35] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: where is this list?
[01:36] <crimsun> /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base
[01:36] <catch-> ironwolf: yes.  Unfortunately it requires an invasive ALSA update
[01:36] <catch-> erk sorry
[01:36] <black_Nightmare> stupid question but if I only downloaded the linux kernel -- I would have a system with only text prompts ~ right?  I'm looking at kernel.org now
[01:37] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: also, it does not affect _all_ audigy2 owners
[01:37] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: I just installed this pc warty > hoary, and I don't think i've got sound.
[01:37] <crimsun> black_Nightmare: if you only have the kernel, you have only the system layer that allows programs to talk to the hardware.  You still need a C library and userspace utilities to make your system actually usable.
[01:38] <missmarple> hi
[01:38] <black_Nightmare> hmm I see ty
[01:38] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: you may be one of the lucky ones.  Paste your amixer output onto pastebin
[01:39] <black_Nightmare> I guess the kernel downloads are more worthy for upgrading your present system with...or compiling your own kernel+pieces together?
[01:39] <black_Nightmare> correct me if I'm wrong
[01:40] <black_Nightmare> :)
[01:40] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: where?
[01:40] <crimsun> black_Nightmare: the kernel is an essential piece of software.  Upgrading it constantly is not necessarily a "good" thing.
[01:40] <selinium> Hi all, a couple of questions. Firstly i mount my windows drive during setup, although I can navigate to it, the icon does not appear on my desktop. Any suggestions?
[01:40] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: pastebin.c{om,a}
[01:40] <black_Nightmare> ah ok...I'll note that
[01:42] <selinium> Also when i put my USBDISC in it creates the icon on top of an existing icon. Is it possible to put an icon on the desktop for the usbdisc so this does not happen?
[01:42] <HiddenWolf> crimsun, never heard of it, can you give me the exact command?
[01:42] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: ,,amixer''
[01:42] <kzm> upgrade update: now unpacking and installing....
[01:42] <HiddenWolf> selinium: this is a known bug
[01:42] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: paste the output, using a web browser, onto http://pastebin.com
[01:42] <HiddenWolf> Ah, sorry
[01:42] <selinium> HiddenWolf: I will let it go then, cheers!
[01:43] <corza> Could someone help me with sharing my Printer over my network?
[01:43] <christianp> hi all
[01:43] <selinium> hi
[01:43] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: done
[01:44] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: http://www.pastebin.com/265120
[01:44] <corza> can someone help me with sharing my printer?
[01:45] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: use alsamixer to toggle (unmute) the Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack
[01:45] <Dreamer3_> ok, hoary seems just like warty to me :)
[01:45] <Dreamer3_> faster, but i could be imagining that
[01:46] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: I'm a lucky one then?
[01:46] <black_Nightmare> say..any of you know if there's an apt-get realvnc? [or something that could work with a realvnc server] 
[01:46] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: if you can hear sounds, then yes
[01:46] <corza> somebody HelP mE
[01:47] <crimsun> corza: have you searched the wiki?
[01:47] <corza> crimsun: yep i danced all over the wiki
[01:47] <lewwy> hello people
[01:47] <whendrik> i dont understand, i just installed ubuntu but not set root password and sudo asks for password?
[01:47] <synd`> corza, what's wrong?
[01:47] <Seveas> whendrik, YOUR password
[01:48] <Seveas> whendrik: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:48] <Dreamer3_> ok, this update tool is pretty cool
[01:48] <synd`> hmm
[01:48] <Dreamer3_> does that mean it's apt-get updating behind my back?
[01:48] <corza> synd`: trying to share my printer through my network.. my windows computer can see the printer & it has the drivers installed
[01:48] <synd`> i dont like xchat
[01:48] <Seveas> Dreamer3, sort of
[01:48] <lewwy> hey people, my sound used to work, but now it doesnt.  I have a ac97 onboard sound card.  Does anyone want to speculate on what it could be?
[01:48] <corza> synd`: but... it says that it has been denied access
[01:48] <Dreamer3_> Seveas: i see
[01:48] <Seveas> Dreamer3, it soesn't use apt-get but the apt libraries :)
[01:48] <Dreamer3_> Seveas: sort of?
[01:48] <Dreamer3_> Seveas: ah i see
[01:48] <Seveas> :)
[01:49] <crimsun> lewwy: need more info: paste the output of lspci -v, lsmod, dmesg, and cat /proc/asound/modules onto http://pastebin.com
[01:49] <Dreamer3_> Seveas: creapy *shivers and looks over his shoulder because he imagined gates*
[01:49] <Seveas> rofl
[01:49] <lewwy> ok
[01:50] <kev0r> Is there anyone who can help me with my USb-bluetooth dongle problem?
[01:50] <kev0r> stick it in the usb, it's detected (it shows up in Device manager) but i'm not able to use it with gnome-bluetooth
[01:50] <lewwy> ok will do crimsun
[01:50] <HiddenWolf> kev8r: it might help to tell what the problem is?
[01:50] <whendrik> pff
[01:51] <kev0r> just did 8)
[01:51] <whendrik> still asks for a password which was never asked during startup
[01:51] <lewwy> whendrik
[01:51] <Seveas> whendrik: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:51] <lewwy> i think the command is sudo passwd or something
[01:51] <Seveas> use YOUR password
[01:51] <whendrik> i am reading the page
[01:51] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: volume control crashes if I ask it to show the output jack slider
[01:51] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: use alsamixer.
[01:52] <whendrik> it tells me to
[01:52] <Seveas> lewwy, that's for setting a root password, and you should only do that if you really need it
[01:52] <whendrik> sudo passwd root
[01:52] <Seveas> so please don;t recommend it
[01:52] <lewwy> i need a root password
[01:52] <Seveas> whendrik, do you NEED a root password?
[01:52] <lewwy> synaptic doesnt work without it
[01:52] <kev0r> lol, a root password is always present
[01:52] <Seveas> kev0r no
[01:52] <whendrik> well, it would be nice to have som kind of root acces to my own machine
[01:52] <kev0r> you cannot change root pass if you do not know it
[01:52] <kev0r> and if you know it, you do not need it..
[01:52] <whendrik> and sudo asks for a password aal the time
[01:52] <Seveas> whendrik, LISTEN
[01:53] <Dalkus> whendrik, no it dosnt
[01:53] <crimsun> that's your user's password, not root's.
[01:53] <Seveas> whendrik, sudo wants YOUR password
[01:53] <kev0r> omg he does not get it
[01:53] <Dalkus> it asks once, whendrik
[01:53] <blury> type your user pass as root
[01:53] <MaRk-I-Away> whendrik: sudo pass is your user pass
[01:53] <Dalkus> and sudo does give you root access
[01:53] <Seveas> lewwy, sudo synaptic also wants YOUR password
[01:53] <lewwy> why is your writing in red Seveas ?
[01:53] <blury> the user pass is a root pass
[01:53] <lewwy> might just be x-chat
[01:53] <whendrik> alright i get it
[01:53] <apokryphos> %recall ubusudo
[01:53] <Pyre> apokryphos: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:53] <Seveas> lewwy, probably because i said your name :)
[01:53] <whendrik> thank you very much
[01:53] <lewwy> ohhhh
[01:53] <HiddenWolf> lewwy: if someone mentions your name, it gets highlighted
[01:53] <lewwy> k thanks for helping
[01:54] <Seveas> apokryphos, i said that two times already, some people just don't seem to listen :/
[01:54] <Dalkus> Anyone know where I can get a .deb OpenOffcice 2.0 pack?
[01:54] <Seveas> Dalkus, from ubuntu hoary universe
[01:54] <blury> apt-get
[01:54] <apokryphos> Seveas: It's just so much easier to ignore links as irrelevant :P
[01:54] <Seveas> :o)
[01:55] <Seveas> Dalkus, then use apt pinning
[01:55] <apokryphos> Seveas: Good morning, by the way. :)
[01:55] <Dalkus> apt pinning?
[01:55] <Seveas> good morning :)
[01:55] <Seveas> Dalkus, search the wiki, it's a way of defaulting to warty, but installing a few packages from hoary
[01:55] <Dalkus> Ok, thanks
[01:55] <Seveas> (it also is better than stupid backports)
[01:56] <lewwy> holy dooly thats a lotta output
[01:56] <HiddenWolf> Seveas: chill, people put a lot of effort into those backports. No need to bash them.
[01:56] <lewwy> seveas: http://www.pastebin.com/265122
[01:56] <Seveas> lewwy, what's that?
[01:56] <cusco> hi
[01:56] <lewwy> Seveas, my sound problem
[01:57] <cusco> only now I noticed
[01:57] <lewwy> Seveas, you said to paste it into pastebin
[01:57] <lewwy> argh
[01:57] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, sorry, it's just my opinion. I've seen more harm that good from backports so far (not just Ubuntu backports)
[01:57] <crimsun> lewwy: no, I did.
[01:57] <cusco> I don't have a cdrom burning device
[01:57] <lewwy> no u didnt
[01:57] <lewwy> sorry
[01:57] <lewwy> sorry crimsun
[01:57] <cusco> how do I make it recognise it?
[01:57] <lewwy> crimun: http://www.pastebin.com/265122
[01:57] <lewwy> im running in root if it makes a difference
[01:58] <apokryphos> lewwy: as a note, you can use TAB for autocompletion of nicks on IRC.
[01:58] <lewwy> yeh i realised
[01:58] <lewwy> thanks all the same
[01:58] <apokryphos> lewwy: There is no need to -- you can do it all with sudo. :)
[01:58] <lewwy> sudo doesnt give me the feeling of POWER
[01:58] <apokryphos> lewwy: sure it does. ;-)
[01:58] <HiddenWolf> lewwy: buy a big car for power. :P
[01:58] <Seveas> sudo -s :)
[01:58] <apokryphos> If you don't wanna type "sudo" first every time, then just sudo -s first
[01:58] <cusco> I have a dvd/cd reader / cd rw recorder combo
[01:59] <apokryphos> or, sudo bash -- whatever.
[01:59] <lewwy> yeh, its just that sound stopped working in my normal account
[01:59] <lewwy> but it was still working in root
[01:59] <lewwy> but now its not
[01:59] <lewwy> crimsun, you checking my problem out?
[01:59] <lewwy> crimsun, http://www.pastebin.com/265122
[02:00] <black_Nightmare> anyone mind telling me what 'multiverse' is? (and would I have to add that to the text file to use it in synaptic?)
[02:00] <crimsun> lewwy: amixer output, please.
[02:00] <crimsun> (->pastebin)
[02:00] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, it's non free stuff
[02:00] <black_Nightmare> I think I only have 'universe' right now..not so sure
[02:01] <black_Nightmare> seveas...oh ic
[02:01] <black_Nightmare> can I like still be able to synaptic or apt-get these things?
[02:01] <Seveas> if you have a line that reads deb http://.... hoary main universe cahnge it to deb http://.... hoary main universe multiverse
[02:01] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: I can't change the volume on that jack
[02:01] <Seveas> yes black_Nightmare
[02:01] <Seveas> they are free of cost
[02:01] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: you don't need to change the volume, only unmute it.
[02:01] <Seveas> but not free as in free software
[02:01] <black_Nightmare> ty seveas there's like 10+ libs for this one multiverse program I want to get soon :p
[02:01] <lewwy> crimsun, its down the bottom now
[02:01] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: then you change the volume(s) on PCM and/or Master.
[02:01] <lewwy> in that post
[02:02] <lewwy> btw i changed it to mono in a dire hope to get it working
[02:02] <GhostFreeman> What's up with LegalTorrents
[02:02] <apokryphos> Seveas: do you have any idea why some people don't have the multiverse there, at all? Is this a recent innovation?
[02:02] <black_Nightmare> seveas.... so I change 'hoary main universe' to 'hoary main universe multiverse' right?
[02:02] <black_Nightmare> apokr..because its not quite free software?  (or isn't that what he was saying?)
[02:02] <apokryphos> black_Nightmare: that's right.
[02:03] <apokryphos> black_Nightmare: re: second part, but Ubuntu used to include it in there.
[02:03] <black_Nightmare> oh ok
[02:03] <apokryphos> (commented out though, of course)
[02:03] <jono> hi all
[02:03] <jono> is openoffice.org2 slated for hoary
[02:03] <Seveas> apokryphos, the default sources.list didn't include a (commented out) multiverse entry for a long time
[02:03] <lewwy> hello jono
[02:03] <HiddenWolf> jono: no, just universe, not main
[02:03] <jono> heya lewwy
[02:03] <jono> HiddenWolf, really?
[02:04] <HiddenWolf> jono, yes
[02:04] <lewwy> so whats happening crimsun?
[02:04] <jono> ahhh ok
[02:04] <apokryphos> Seveas: Ah; wouldn't have noticed it because was there on mine.
[02:04] <crimsun> lewwy: sec, I'm reading
[02:04] <lewwy> k soz
[02:04] <black_Nightmare> where would I find this text file to edit the deb http:// line again?
[02:04] <black_Nightmare> I forgot :">
[02:05] <Seveas> /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:05] <lewwy> hey guys, can anybody recommend a good pack of codecs to install?
[02:05] <lewwy> for gmplayer?
[02:05] <deFrysk> w32 codecs ?
[02:05] <lewwy> tried
[02:05] <Seveas> lewwy, if you don't mind being on the edge with legal issues: w32codecs from marillat
[02:05] <deFrysk> marrillat
[02:05] <lewwy> gmplayer doesnt pick em up
[02:05] <lewwy> legal smegal
[02:05] <Seveas> use totem-xine then :)
[02:05] <apokryphos> lewwy: mplayer does, so gmplayer should too
[02:06] <Seveas> or rhythmbox with gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:06] <lewwy> Seveas, i already installed w32codecs
[02:06] <billyoc> is there a list of differences between universe and multiverse somewhere?
[02:06] <apokryphos> lewwy: did you follow the instructions for installing mplayer, however?
[02:06] <lewwy> it came with ubuntu i think
[02:06] <lewwy> either it did
[02:06] <Seveas> billyoc, they simply contain other software
[02:06] <lewwy> or i didnt
[02:06] <deFrysk> lewwy, in hoary ?
[02:06] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell billyoc ubupackages
[02:06] <Pyre> billyoc: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[02:06] <lewwy> hoary yeh
[02:06] <black_Nightmare> thanks....going have to add multiverse in then see what new things synaptic lists... especially basilisk2 hopefully
[02:06] <billyoc> Seveas: yeah, thanks.  :)
[02:06] <deFrysk> got marrillat unstable ?
[02:06] <lewwy> me? uhhh, i'm not sure
[02:06] <lewwy> deFrysk, i'll check
[02:07] <deFrysk> get hte codecs from marillat unstable
[02:07] <apokryphos> lewwy: many have reported problems when not installing mplayer exactly. CPU specific stuff etc. Did you do that stuff?
[02:07] <lewwy> uh
[02:07] <lewwy> no
[02:07] <deFrysk> and dont use crimsun in hoary
[02:07] <deFrysk> ;)
[02:07] <lewwy> i just chucked it in
[02:07] <lewwy> and hoped
[02:07] <crimsun> huh?
[02:07] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell lewwy uburestricted
[02:07] <Pyre> lewwy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:07] <crimsun> oh, right.
[02:07] <crimsun> mine's only for Warty.
[02:07] <black_Nightmare> seveas -- so the multiverse stuffs would have their own sections, right?  (just like between main and universe sections already)
[02:07] <lewwy> hey guys, wheres the apt repositry file kept?
[02:07] <deFrysk> crimsun, hehe ;p
[02:08] <Seveas> universe/main/multiverse ARE sections
[02:08] <apokryphos> lewwy: /etc/apt
[02:08] <black_Nightmare> was just checking :p
[02:08] <deFrysk> lewwy, /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:08] <black_Nightmare> some things are still new/begineer to me :p
[02:08] <Seveas> :)
[02:08] <apokryphos> lewwy: www.ubuntuguide.org is very handy for several things
[02:09] <lewwy> yeh i've got mallarat unstable
[02:09] <apokryphos> lewwy: check the instructions there, though, on installing mplayer.
[02:09] <lewwy> will do
[02:10] <lewwy> ubuntuguide is useless for mplayer setup...
[02:10] <corza> can anyone help me out with sharing my printer?
[02:10] <apokryphos> lewwy: I was talking about the previous link I gave you...
[02:10] <lewwy> ooh
[02:10] <lewwy> apokryphos, link me again if its not too much trouble
[02:10] <lewwy> please
[02:10] <deFrysk> lewwy, make sure to use esd in mplayer
[02:10] <ch_> i've just installed fglrx, and I'd like to check if 3D acceleration is working. When I type fglrxinfo, I don't get the usual direct rendering: Yes/No line. Any idea why? How can I really check if direct rendering is really working or not?
[02:11] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell lewwy uburestricted
[02:11] <Pyre> lewwy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:11] <lewwy> ch_: glxgears
[02:11] <apokryphos> lewwy: though you could really just look up :P ^^
[02:11] <lewwy> you spoil me lol
[02:11] <lewwy> ch_, if glxgears runs slower then like
[02:12] <lewwy> ch_, 50 fps, its not working
[02:12] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: I hear static every time I open/close a window....
[02:13] <ch_> lewwy: it's seems okay then.
[02:13] <lewwy> ch_, how fast?
[02:13] <lewwy> ch_, how many fps?
[02:13] <ch_> lewwy, 4000-6000 with the small window
[02:13] <lewwy> ch_, thats fine then
[02:13] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: on the far right in alsamixer, do you have an External Amplifier toggle?
[02:13] <lewwy> ch_, you should have 3d acceleration
[02:14] <ch_> lewwy, yes, thanks.
[02:14] <lewwy> hurrah i just helped someone even tho im a noob myself
[02:14] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: yes, unmuted
[02:14] <black_Nightmare> well I'm going off..might be back on my own pc [this is family's one lol] 
[02:15] <lewwy> crimsun, not to be pushy, but have u read my thing?
[02:15] <crimsun> lewwy: yes, I've read it, and I'm looking elsewhere.
[02:15] <lewwy> crimsun, ah ok
[02:15] <lewwy> crimsun, if you need any other output, just tell us
[02:16] <lewwy> does sound have anything to do with the x sever?
[02:16] <lewwy> or more importantly, xorg.conf?
[02:16] <lewwy> cause i think i accidently deleted some lines in there the other day
[02:16] <crimsun> lewwy: no
[02:16] <HiddenWolf> lewwy: sound is alsa/oss
[02:17] <lewwy> how is sound invoked tho?
[02:17] <crimsun> lewwy: which output jack are you using?
[02:17] <lewwy> surely it would have to be invoked by the X server
[02:17] <kev0r> lewwy: note that there is probably a file located in the xorg.conf dir named xorg.conf~ witch is a backup
[02:17] <lewwy> top one
[02:17] <lewwy> the speaker one
[02:17] <crimsun> hotplug inserts the correct sound driver modules.
[02:18] <lewwy> oh ok
[02:18] <lewwy> that makes sense
[02:18] <lewwy> so if i were to complete wreck my xorg.conf file, i'd still have sound
[02:18] <lewwy> cool beans
[02:18] <crimsun> pretty much.
[02:18] <nr> there are plenty of console sound utilities
[02:18] <nr> you can listen to mp3s without having X installed
[02:19] <lewwy> cool, name sone nr
[02:19] <nr> for instance
[02:19] <lewwy> ohh
[02:19] <crimsun> mpg123, madplay
[02:19] <lewwy> i thought you meant diagnostic
[02:19] <nr> diagnostic?
[02:19] <nr> you mean to test sound?
[02:19] <HiddenWolf> I so wonder why my 2.2ghz amd64 is at 100% cpu-cycles just pumping over data between two harddisks
[02:19] <lewwy> yeh, i'm having problems with my ac97 sound card
[02:20] <crimsun> lewwy: mute the External Amplifier toggle using alsamixer (press 'm')
[02:20] <kev0r> lewwy: ive had problems with that soundcard too, just bought another card ;)
[02:20] <kev0r> problems where gone :P
[02:20] <lewwy> HiddenWolf, maybe it doesnt know what do do with itself with all the extra power
[02:20] <lewwy> ok crimsun
[02:21] <lewwy> k muted
[02:21] <lewwy> crimsun: now just hit esc?
[02:21] <lewwy> k
[02:22] <lewwy> crimsun, how would i test my sound
[02:22] <HiddenWolf> lewwy: play a wav file
[02:22] <lewwy> uhhh
[02:22] <lewwy> *looks*
[02:22] <crimsun> aplay -Dplughw:0,0 foo.wav
[02:22] <HiddenWolf> foo being a filename
[02:22] <lewwy> ALSA lib pcm.c:2068:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM plugw:0,0
[02:23] <crimsun> read carefully.
[02:23] <lewwy> yeh ok i get it now
[02:24] <lewwy> i dont have any wav files?
[02:24] <lewwy> !
[02:24] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: I have no sound if I do that
[02:24] <HiddenWolf> lewwy: google for .wav, you'll find plenty
[02:24] <lewwy> crimsun, wheres that song that ubuntu plays at boot time?
[02:24] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: it's not applicable to you.
[02:24] <lewwy> ok HiddenWolf
[02:25] <crimsun> lewwy: you should have quite a few in /usr/share/sounds/
[02:25] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: just aplay foo.wav should give me sound, right?
[02:25] <black_nightmare> seveas -- I added 'multiverse' as suggested and now synaptic errors on this.....
[02:25] <black_nightmare> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ca.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[02:25] <lewwy> do too
[02:26] <lewwy> ok
[02:26] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: if you are one of the lucky ones able to use ALSA 1.0.6 with the audigy2, yes
[02:26] <black_nightmare> or did I have to do an apt-get update first?
[02:26] <lewwy> i can hear no sound
[02:26] <crimsun> lewwy: turn up your volumes
[02:26] <Seveas> black_nightmare, of course :)
[02:26] <lewwy> aplay -Dplughw:0,0 startup.wav does nothing
[02:26] <HiddenWolf> crimsun; then, as expected. I'm an unlucky sob
[02:26] <black_nightmare> seveas...ic..lol..one second then :p
[02:26] <lewwy> crimsun, all of them?
[02:26] <Seveas> apt-get update refreshes local copies of these lists
[02:26] <crimsun> lewwy: at least Master and PCM
[02:27] <black_nightmare> ty seveas - one more thing learned LOL :p
[02:27] <whendrik> gee
[02:27] <whendrik> 30 minuten in ubuntu and i love it!
[02:28] <HiddenWolf> whendrik: minuten is dutch/german. ;)
[02:28] <black_nightmare> alllrighhhhtttttttttttttttt
[02:28] <whendrik> jaja ok
[02:28] <black_nightmare> I love the multiverse emulator section now
[02:28] <black_nightmare> hehehe
[02:28] <crimsun> lewwy: your PC speaker toggle is also muted, and the volume is set at 0.
[02:28] <Seveas> whendrik, there is #ubuntu-nl too :)
[02:28] <lewwy> oh ok
[02:28] <lewwy> i'll crank that then too
[02:29] <crimsun> lewwy: on your model, it shouldn't matter, but one never knows with these laptops.
[02:29] <whendrik> ok
[02:30] <crimsun> lewwy: what make & model laptop?
[02:30] <lewwy> its not a laptop
[02:30] <lewwy> its a 2600+ AMD desktop
[02:30] <lewwy> with ac97 onboard sound
[02:30] <crimsun> lewwy: odd, dunno how I got the impression.
[02:30] <moominski> how do a get a programs PID?
[02:31] <moominski> so i can kill it
[02:31] <crimsun> pgrep <name of program>
[02:31] <crimsun> pkill <name of program>
[02:31] <moominski> ok thanks
[02:31] <lewwy> nup
[02:32] <lewwy> i've bummed around in alsamixer heaps, no salami
[02:32] <black_nightmare> seveas just wondering but how difficult is it to get a particular package on repositories upgraded to a newer version?
[02:32] <crimsun> lewwy: it worked in Warty, though?
[02:32] <black_nightmare> because I noticed one editor program that I already know there's a newer free version of (not paid anymore)
[02:32] <lewwy> crimsun, i never used warty
[02:32] <deFrysk> lewwy, is it esd ?
[02:32] <lewwy> i'm not sure deFrysk
[02:33] <lewwy> upon running esd, deFrysk , it says This socket already exists indicating esd is already running. and quits
[02:33] <deFrysk> are you trying to use the mplayer plug-in ?
[02:33] <crimsun> lewwy: ok, what motherboard do you have?
[02:33] <lewwy> Shuttle MK35N/Ultra
[02:33] <crimsun> nforce[23] -based?
[02:33] <lewwy> yes crimsun
[02:34] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: I take it there is no chance that alsa/audigy2 will be fixed anytime soon?
[02:34] <lewwy> btw deFrysk i dont think im using the mplayer codecs
[02:34] <lewwy> this used to work PERFECTLY
[02:34] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: purportedly it's fixed in 1.0.9rc1+, but since Hoary releases in ~1 week, there's no way it's going in.
[02:35] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: but a few weeks after release this could be done?
[02:35] <lewwy> crimsun, i have a Shuttle MK35N/Ultra and it is NForce 2 based
[02:35] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: whenever Breezy opens, and 1.0.9 has been merged from Debian, sure.
[02:36] <lewwy> coult a new kernel get my sound back?
[02:36] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: Ok. I'll just swap this PoS for my old audigy then.
[02:36] <crimsun> lewwy: you could try using 'alsa-source' from universe
[02:37] <lewwy> ok, im getting the alsa-source now
[02:37] <crimsun> you need build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source
[02:37] <lewwy> linux-headers? from my kernel crimsun ?
[02:38] <crimsun> lewwy: if you're using a Ubuntu-provided kernel, yes
[02:38] <lewwy> crimsun, what version would that be
[02:38] <lewwy> crimsun, default hoary
[02:38] <crimsun> lewwy: sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[02:39] <lewwy> HOLY
[02:39] <lewwy> 65.9 MEG WILL BE USED
[02:39] <lewwy> HOW BIG IS THIS THING
[02:39] <black_nightmare> hey bazzi :p
[02:39] <crimsun> lewwy: caps, please
[02:39] <lewwy> i've only got hoary on a 10gig partition
[02:39] <Bazzi> black_nightmare hi
[02:39] <lewwy> crimsun, i was in caps
[02:40] <black_nightmare> lewwy....I only got a 2.5gb but still updating some things as they come
[02:40] <lewwy> crimsun, what now, its downloaded everything it needs
[02:40] <black_nightmare> ;)
[02:40] <crimsun> lewwy: 10 GB is plenty. 70 megs isn't even 1/10th of 1 GB
[02:40] <black_nightmare> lol crimsun..so true :p
[02:40] <black_nightmare> whats new or just same old craps bazzi?
[02:40] <lewwy> crimsun, how do i compile the alsa things?
[02:40] <Bazzi> same shit, different day
[02:40] <crimsun> lewwy: cd /usr/src/ && sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2
[02:41] <lewwy> uhh
[02:41] <lewwy> ok
[02:41] <lewwy> it paused for a bit
[02:41] <lewwy> then put me back on terminal
[02:41] <cusco> how can I be notified whenever a use logs in?
[02:41] <crimsun> lewwy: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[02:41] <cusco> trou ssh or trough ftp?
[02:41] <bob2> you can't
[02:41] <crimsun> lewwy: choose "no" to PnP, "yes" to debugging, and choose the "intel8x0" driver
[02:41] <bob2> if you don't trust them enough to login, then don't give them an account
[02:41] <bob2> or use logwatch on auth.log
[02:41] <black_nightmare> bazzi hehe :p
[02:42] <black_nightmare> do you know a bit about the repositories or not really?
[02:42] <lewwy> hey guys, in this massive list of alsa drivers, what one would be mine.  I have ac97 onboard audio
[02:42] <lewwy> oh soz
[02:42] <lewwy> nvm
[02:42] <Bazzi> black_nightmare a bit :p
[02:43] <black_nightmare> eh..guess maybe nevermind :p
[02:43] <lewwy> ok
[02:43] <lewwy> i think it did the trick crimsun
[02:43] <crimsun> lewwy: cd modules/alsa-driver && sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/ KVERS=$(uname -r)
[02:43] <lewwy> it dumped me back to terminal after the driver selection screen
[02:43] <black_nightmare> bazzi..the thing is that on the multiverse under 'editor' section there's one program that I *already* know is a newer and free version [not even the old paid one anymore that the repositories seem to have]  on the offical website
[02:43] <Jesterace> crimsun: how come we enable the debugging code on the alsa drivers?
[02:44] <black_nightmare> understand what I'm saying?
[02:44] <Bazzi> yes, so?
[02:44] <crimsun> Jesterace: for situations precisely like these.
[02:44] <lewwy> we have errors crimsun
[02:44] <lewwy> #flood?
[02:44] <crimsun> sure
[02:45] <black_nightmare> well...I'm wondering how I could go to get the repositories updated to the newer program version
[02:45] <Bazzi> contact one of the repos maintainers
[02:45] <woodywarty> Hello to Everybody
[02:45] <Seveas> black_nightmare, contact the MOTU and wait :)
[02:46] <corza> hey can someone help me with sharing my printer?
[02:46] <lewwy> crimsun the errors there now
[02:46] <Seveas> they have a LOT to do already, so they probably won't take new yet-to-package programs quickly
[02:46] <crimsun> lewwy: your kernel's old, first of all.
[02:46] <crimsun> lewwy: 2.6.10-5-foo is what you want.
[02:46] <woodywarty> Can I install Ubuntu over FTP? My laptop does not have a CD-ROM Drive :(
[02:46] <lewwy> cool beans, how do i update crimsun
[02:46] <lewwy> synaptic?
[02:46] <crimsun> sure
[02:47] <corza> sharing my printer.. help with that please?
[02:47] <black_nightmare> MOTU hm ok
[02:47] <lewwy> bugger, crimsun theres nothing when i search for 2.6.10-5-foo
[02:47] <crimsun> lewwy: "foo" is a placeholder for what's applicable
[02:47] <Bazzi> lewwy apt-get update'd?
[02:47] <corza> crimsun: go to settings > repositories
[02:47] <black_nightmare> seveas...you know how it is when its like this: the repositories has a version that is old&paid while the offical website actually has a newer&free version?  but then yeah anyhow I'll see about contacting the MOTU ;)
[02:47] <lewwy> ah i getcha
[02:48] <corza> oops not crimsun lol
[02:48] <lewwy> linux headers? linux image?
[02:48] <lewwy> what one?
[02:48] <corza> lewwy: u might have to add universe etc if u havent
[02:48] <lewwy> yeh i have already corza
[02:48] <Bazzi> black_nightmare contact them for php5 support as well please ;)
[02:48] <crimsun> lewwy: first of all, sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.10-5-k7 linux-headers-2.6.10-5-k7 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-k7
[02:48] <corza> ah ok nevermind then carry on lol
[02:48] <black_nightmare> hmm now umm could someone help me on a really stupid question?  I downloaded an emulator (basilisk2 to be exact) but I don't see it in the 'applications' list......where would I look on the hd for it?
[02:48] <black_nightmare> bazzi...lol...I dunno what php5 really is so maybe you're better off asking them :p
[02:49] <kbrooks> its a programming language
[02:49] <kbrooks> :|
[02:49] <lewwy> oh wait, apt-get wasnt updated
[02:49] <kbrooks> so trivial
[02:49] <Bazzi> black_nightmare locate basilisk2 ;)
[02:49] <corza> Can someone help me out with sharing my printer???/
[02:49] <lewwy> *updates*
[02:49] <black_nightmare> lol...ty bazzi..let me see
[02:50] <Dyrix> hi all
[02:50] <lewwy> 28megs worth of kernel
[02:50] <Dreamer3> my hard drive in my laptop keeps powering down after like 1-2 minutes... did something change in hoary that would give it this behavior?
[02:50] <black_nightmare> bazzi..umm I typed that and it only took  like one quick second then it left me at another prompt line
[02:50] <lewwy> well
[02:50] <black_nightmare> any idea?
[02:50] <Bazzi> black_nightmare lazy mans method is find / | grep basilisk2
[02:50] <black_nightmare> lol ok..let me try that :p
[02:50] <kbrooks> Bazzi, no
[02:50] <bob2> Dreamer3: laptop-mode should have been doing that since warty
[02:50] <billyoc> yikes, i dist-upgraded and lost some keybindings, anyone remember where to set things like <alt><tab> and <alt><F1>?
[02:50] <kbrooks> black_nightmare, slow way
[02:50] <Bazzi> hrr ;)
[02:51] <Dreamer3> bob2: i don't know what mode i'm in, how do i find out?
[02:51] <Dyrix> i'm planing on upgrading my workstation to ubuntu, but i'm not sure if i can install v4 and then upgrade to 5 when it's finished...
[02:51] <kbrooks> black_nightmare, replace the '| grep' with -name
[02:51] <Dreamer3> bob2: i want to know if this is hoary, or my drive is doing it on it's own
[02:51] <kbrooks> Dyrix, you can.
[02:51] <mercurus> greetings all
[02:51] <Dyrix> kbrooks: without having to do a reinstall?
[02:52] <kbrooks> yup.
[02:52] <corza> can someone help me share my printer.. it says access denied to my windows computer
[02:52] <bob2> Dreamer3: hdparm controls it
[02:52] <black_nightmare> hm just found some basilisk2 documents -- still awaiting for it to find the main folder itself
[02:52] <Dyrix> kbrooks: i was hoping that dist-upgrade wouls work, but i haven't been able to find any info on it
[02:52] <lewwy> hey can anyone here recommend a distro to install to my pen drive?
[02:52] <mercurus> I recompiled my Ubuntu kernel to make use of 2.6.11.2 (I needed >= 2.6.11 for sound card driver support) and now I get a (kernel-related) HAL error at boot
[02:52] <lewwy> as in "install" as in "be able to make changes"
[02:52] <Dreamer3> bob2: ok... hmmmmmm
[02:52] <kbrooks> all you have to do is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:53] <mercurus> [W]  hald.c:302: Your kernel does not support capabilities; some features will not be available.
[02:53] <crimsun> mercurus: you did _not_ need to recompile your kernel.  ALSA modules are dynamically unloadable and replaceable.
[02:53] <mercurus> any suggestions ?
[02:53] <Dyrix> kbrooks: thnx..that was what i was hoping :)
[02:53] <Dreamer3> bob2: anyway to tell the existing setting?
[02:53] <bob2> Dreamer3: hdparm -S /dev/hda, iirc
[02:53] <Myrtti> ho-hum
[02:53] <Myrtti> hello everyone
[02:54] <lewwy> we should have a welcoming comitee
[02:54] <Dreamer3> bob2: ok, i set standby off
[02:54] <Myrtti> has anyone else bumped into the same problem that I have, that some of the mp3's don't show up in Rhythmbox anymore, and it refuses to open the files?
[02:54] <Dreamer3> bob2: if it dies again...
[02:54] <Dreamer3> bob2: just died again
[02:54] <mercurus> crimsun, this particular alsa model was added in 2.6.11
[02:54] <kbrooks> Dyrix, in the file, replace ALL instances of warty with hoary and uncomment the universe repository (replace that too)
[02:54] <kbrooks> then save
[02:54] <Dreamer3> bob2: smartd[7895] : Device: /dev/hda, 4 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors - think they might be related?
[02:54] <crimsun> mercurus: you mean in ALSA 1.0.8? That's available in hoary/universe's 'alsa-source'.
[02:54] <mercurus> crimsun, that being as it may, it has happened ... which option have I not configured \ which modules need I modprobe in order to have fully functional HAL ?
[02:55] <Myrtti> heya membreya
[02:55] <lewwy> hooray for ultimate low bandwidth using IRC
[02:55] <membreya> hiya Myrtti :)
[02:55] <thisfred> Myrtti, can you play the files in question with another player?
[02:55] <bob2> Dreamer3: I don't know enough about smart, sorry
[02:55] <Dreamer3> bob2: i just brought it from home to work like usualy, don't remember whether it was spun up or down at home... probably working fine or i would have noticed
[02:55] <black_nightmare> say any of you think I need to reboot if I have a X11 program I just package-downloaded?
[02:55] <kbrooks> irc is teh leet
[02:55] <Myrtti> thisfred: not with XMMS, but with totem I can
[02:55] <njan> black_nightmare, no.
[02:55] <crimsun> mercurus: revert to a Hoary kernel (2.6.10-5-foo) and compile alsa-source
[02:55] <corza> I NEED HELP!
[02:56] <bob2> black_nightmare: no
[02:56] <black_nightmare> hmm something must be strange then...
[02:56] <mercurus> crimsun, I'm on Warty, so I'm not reverting anywhere.
[02:56] <bob2> corza: chill and ask your question
[02:56] <lewwy> corza, you're better off asking the question. more chances of a reply
[02:56] <Dyrix> kbrooks: thnx again - i'm off to install ubuntu ;)
[02:56] <corza> bob2: asked about ten thousand times already lol, i need help with my printer sharing
[02:56] <crimsun> mercurus: then enable capabilities.
[02:56] <Dreamer3> i wish my hd could talk to me
[02:56] <da_bon_bon>  hi all
[02:56] <crimsun> mercurus: next time, use the ubuntu kernel config
[02:56] <bob2> corza: then shouting won't make someone magically know the answer
[02:56] <lewwy> oh in that case *ignores corza*
[02:56] <thisfred> Myrtti, what feedback do you get if you try to play them with xmms (when run from the console)
[02:56] <black_nightmare> I only finally found usr>lib>menu>basilisk2.txt and it already suggests that it should be in the 'applications' by now..and its not
[02:56] <crimsun> mercurus: they're available in /boot/config-*
[02:57] <kbrooks> :O
[02:57] <black_nightmare> grep search can't find anything else with the name 'basilisk2' at all..just documents and this one file
[02:57] <corza> bob2: it could?
[02:57] <lewwy> corza,  i dont know the answer to that question
[02:57] <bob2> corza: no
[02:57] <kbrooks> black_nightmare, nautilus applications://
[02:57] <Dreamer3> bob2: ok, my drive is dying
[02:57] <bob2> corza: try asking on the user list or the forum
[02:57] <thisfred> Myrtti, btw not sure if I can help at all, just suggesting what I would do
[02:57] <mercurus> crimsun, I built the kernel using the Warty 2.6.8.1-386, but I modified it for my hardware first. Clearly I've disabled a HAL-related module \ option ... any suggestions as to which part of the conf in which I'll find it ?
[02:57] <mercurus> *Warty config
[02:57] <Dreamer3> lewwy: um thanks, but i need to think about where i'm going to put all this data
[02:57] <lewwy> oh no
[02:58] <kbrooks> black_nightmare, ping.
[02:58] <lewwy> dude
[02:58] <lewwy> Dreamer3,
[02:58] <mercurus> I've greped the config file for HAL and DBUS and can't find it.
[02:58] <lewwy> Dreamer3, you tried hddregenerator?
[02:58] <kbrooks> black_nightmare, run that command.
[02:58] <Dreamer3> lewwy: what's that? *looks very suspicious*
[02:58] <lewwy> Dreamer3, do you have hirens bootcd 6.0?
[02:58] <kbrooks> find the menu group
[02:58] <Dreamer3> lewwy: no :)
[02:58] <lewwy> Dreamer3, i had a HDD CHOKCAS of errors, they all got fixed
[02:58] <lewwy> Dreamer3, fixed hdd now
[02:59] <Dreamer3> lewwy: i think it's really dying
[02:59] <Dreamer3> lewwy: i've been worried about it for a while
[02:59] <corza> lewwy: I have setup to share my printer to my windows computer. but whenever i try to access it on my windows machine it says access denied..
[02:59] <lewwy> Dreamer3, dude, mine was full of errors, they're fixed now
[02:59] <crimsun> mercurus: CONFIG_SECURITY_CAPABILITIES
[02:59] <lewwy> Dreamer3, i'll link u, two seconds
[02:59] <mercurus> security capabilities ..?
[02:59] <lewwy> corza, i honestly dont know
[03:00] <Dreamer3> lewwy: smart says the drive is just getting old...
[03:00] <black_nightmare> that command didn't work
[03:00] <lewwy> Dreamer3, http://www.dposoft.net/
[03:00] <lewwy> Dreamer3, i think you should atleast try the alternative
[03:00] <crimsun> mercurus: if that option is modularised, it gives you commoncap.ko and capability.ko
[03:00] <lewwy> Dreamer3, what do you have to lose
[03:00] <vixus> Hey, what packages do I need to get bluetooth working?
[03:00] <black_nightmare> error dialog saying 'applications://' does not exist
[03:00] <lewwy> Dreamer3, do the try one
[03:00] <vixus> black_nightmare: You cannot access applications:// in hoary.
[03:01] <black_nightmare> vixus - so where the hell did synaptic download this emulator to when its not even in the applications :|
[03:01] <black_nightmare> *sigh*
[03:01] <black_nightmare> weird
[03:01] <kurpa> how can i add programs to the menu?
[03:01] <Myrtti> thisfred: xmms refused of playing it from the console, rhythmbox did start it
[03:01] <Seveas> kurpa: you can find out more about gnome 2.10 (hoary) menu editing on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo
[03:01] <mercurus> crimsun, champion :)
[03:01] <kurpa> Seveas: tuy
[03:01] <Myrtti> and plays it
[03:02] <kurpa> *ty
[03:02] <mercurus> why couldn't I find any of that info ...
[03:02] <Seveas> black_nightmare, try dpkg -L package_name
[03:02] <Myrtti> I wonder whats the matter with this file
[03:02] <lewwy> Dreamer3, you trying that hddregen?
[03:02] <mercurus> heh, when I ran dbus-1 restart, my hotplug CD play re-loaded and started playing the CD
[03:02] <vixus> black_nightmare: Try typing the emulator name in bash?
[03:03] <mercurus> crimsun, thank you :)
[03:03] <crimsun> mercurus: np
[03:03] <thisfred> Myrtti, what was xmms' feedback? And did rhythmbox give any (if you started that from the console as well). I'm thinking that the mp3s may be subtly corrupt, or maybe the ID3 tags.
[03:03] <Dreamer3> lewwy: no, worrying about copying my data off
[03:03] <vixus> black_nightmare: OR rather, the command that would  run the emulator
[03:03] <vixus> black_nightmare: Then get the <google>Gnome 2.10 Menu Editor</google> and add it yourself.
[03:03] <black_nightmare> hmm....one second .....
[03:03] <Myrtti> thisfred: no feedback, it didn't even start the GUI
[03:04] <Myrtti> thisfred: rhytmbox started playing it nicely, no output
[03:04] <lewwy> only 3 mins till my new kernels down!
[03:04] <thisfred> Myrtti, then I'm stumped too, maybe someone else has an idea...
[03:05] <vixus> How do I get bluetooth working?
[03:05] <Myrtti> but normally rhythmbox can't find the file, and doesn't open it
[03:05] <vixus> I had to download hci tools or something
[03:05] <Myrtti> xmms finds it, but doesn't play
[03:05] <black_nightmare> ah....duh ok I got it running now...ty
[03:05] <thisfred> like i said, probably some file corruption
[03:05] <Myrtti> has there been recent updates, since this worked last week...
[03:06] <black_nightmare> is there like a way to add a terminal command shortcut to the applications?  (likewise so I could just start it from a mouse click like the rest of other programs)
[03:06] <Myrtti> better check my synaptic install log
[03:06] <Myrtti> black_nightmare: yes, but can't remember how it's done
[03:06] <black_nightmare> myrtti ty anyhow
[03:06] <black_nightmare> at least I got this thing running right now
[03:07] <vixus> black_nightmare: Add a launcher to the gnome panel
[03:07] <black_nightmare> 'custom application launcher' you mean?
[03:08] <dabi> what is the fastest way to install .deb?
[03:08] <vixus> black_nightmare: yes
[03:08] <vixus> black_nightmare: Tick the run in terminal button if you have to.
[03:08] <lewwy> hey wait, if i install a new kernel, will my bootloader automatically make it availible to me?
[03:08] <vixus> Now... how in the world do I get bluetooth working? I got it working last time.
[03:09] <Myrtti> ffs, if this really is about fscked up id3-tags...
[03:09] <huring> wow! finally got a nice working ubuntu install on my old laptop, ssl/webserver/smb share with fluxbox wm from base install! *firsttimer*
[03:09] <crimsun> lewwy: it's all done transparently.
[03:10] <dabi> how can i install .deb?
[03:10] <EvilIdler> dpkg -i filename.deb
[03:11] <skreet> If I have a user logged into my server via SSH and I want to punt them off, how can I do that?
[03:11] <mercurus> skreet, to be very rough, restart the sshd
[03:11] <vixus> Ah well, the internet helped me <_<
[03:12] <billyoc> skreet: you can kill the sshd process that user is using.
[03:12] <skreet> mercurus, Well, in more detail, I logged in to test the account with the login command and used the exit comand but it remains logged in, I went to do a userdel and it says he's stilled logged in, and when I do who, sure enough he is. I've fully exited and re-ssh'd and nothing.
[03:12] <skreet> There's no easier way to force a logout?
[03:12] <EvilIdler> Stop inetd?
[03:13] <skreet> Theres no *command*?
[03:13] <black_nightmare> I finally figured it out lol...
[03:13] <skreet>  :P
[03:13] <black_nightmare> it was keeping basiliskII in the X11 folder......
[03:13] <mercurus> skreet, on the server run ps aux |grep $username
[03:13] <black_nightmare> figures why it didn't get added to the applications list
[03:13] <mercurus> then kill their shell
[03:14] <skreet> The only thing that came up when I did grep gymnos on it was me, doing grep gymnos.
[03:14] <skreet> gymnos being the username.
[03:14] <mercurus> hmm ...
[03:14] <mercurus> grep for bash (or whatever shell you use)
[03:14] <EvilIdler> skreet: Then the system killed his zombie process; he WAS actually logged out..or perhaps ps has been replaced ;)
[03:15] <skreet> EvilIdler, Still logged in (via who command) :(
[03:15] <mercurus> lol EvilIdler
[03:15] <lewwy> huzzah
[03:15] <skreet> actually scrolling through ps aux shows that he has NO processes running
[03:15] <lewwy> crimsun, the sound works in ubuntu now
[03:15] <lewwy> brb
[03:15] <mercurus> skreet, interesting ... what happens if you restart the shhd ?
[03:15] <skreet> this is so wierd.
[03:15] <crimsun> well, that was the easiest troubleshooting job I had to do.
[03:15] <Myrtti> the problem prolly is about id3-tags, since the file plays nicely from console
[03:16] <crimsun> RB does have some issues with certain types of tags
[03:16] <skreet> I restarted it and he's still up :
[03:16] <skreet> Theres no IP next to his name either.
[03:16] <skreet> Like there is on mine.
[03:16] <EvilIdler> skreet: What does netstat tell you?
[03:16] <Bandit> good morning everyone
[03:16] <lewwy> ok, sound works in ubuntu now.  Now how do i extend this sound working to other apps, like cedega
[03:17] <skreet> one tcp connection, ssh 192.168.0.2 (this machine)
[03:17] <lewwy> good morning bandit
[03:17] <Bandit> :)
[03:17] <skreet> that's it ://
[03:17] <EvilIdler> skreet: Spookeh.
[03:17] <skreet> You're telling me
[03:17] <skreet> "Okay kevin, your username is gymnos2"
[03:17] <skreet> "What happened to gymnos"
[03:17] <skreet> "Oh, he's logged in."
[03:17] <crimsun> lewwy: erm...you shouldn't have to "extend" it
[03:17] <skreet> "He's our ghost user.."
[03:17] <EvilIdler> Hehe
[03:18] <lewwy> crimsun, the sound doesnt work in quake3 or cedega
[03:18] <EvilIdler> Every system should have its ghost. Draws tourists, or sumfin'.
[03:18] <Jesterace> lewwy: you'll have to turn off the sound server in gnome for cedega
[03:18] <crimsun> lewwy: and you killed esd prior to starting either/both?
[03:18] <lewwy> Jesterace, how would i do that
[03:18] <crimsun> pkill esd
[03:18] <lewwy> crimsun, no i havent, again how would i do that
[03:18] <lewwy> k thx
[03:18] <skreet> EvilIdler, Wow, If I kill the process i'm tied to it boots me off, if i kill the process it SAYS he's tired to it says "no such process"
[03:18] <skreet> it really is a ghost user.
[03:18] <skreet> lol
[03:19] <EvilIdler> Call Ghostbusters.
[03:19] <skreet> it says we're both on pts/1 any way to flush pts/1?
[03:19] <mercurus> skreet, hang on...
[03:19] <mercurus> type exit or logout in all your terminals
[03:19] <skreet> This is the only terminal I have open.
[03:19] <mercurus> close it ... and open another one ...
[03:19] <skreet> cept the computer itself, should I log out of that too?
[03:20] <skreet> mercurus, I have.
[03:20] <mercurus> no, leave that
[03:20] <mercurus> leave your current GNOME session open  ....
[03:20] <mercurus> odd.
[03:20] <skreet> No gnome session.
[03:20] <skreet> it's ubuntu but I dont run GUI on it.
[03:20] <skreet> :D
[03:20] <mercurus> skreet, ah ...
[03:21] <skreet> slows down my ftp transfers or somethin'...
[03:21] <mercurus> then it is VERY odd that pty0 has been kept open
[03:21] <mercurus> what if someone else tries to login ..?
[03:21] <mercurus> ie. the next user to login, do they get pty0 or pty1 ?
[03:21] <skreet> i'm the only other user ATM and it works fine.
[03:21] <skreet> well, first off, we're *both* on pts/1
[03:21] <Myrtti> ffs.
[03:21] <skreet> since I used *login* to try the acct.
[03:22] <skreet> let me try to login as him then quit.
[03:22] <mercurus> skreet, you're not on tty0 ? or are you connecting to the machine remotely ?
[03:22] <skreet> LOL
[03:22] <skreet> mercurus, ssh.
[03:22] <skreet> I just ssh'd as gymnos
[03:22] <skreet> and now he's logged into pts/2
[03:22] <skreet> skreet   pts/1        Mar 31 08:21 (192.168.0.2)
[03:22] <skreet> gymnos   pts/1        Mar 31 08:07
[03:22] <skreet> gymnos   pts/2        Mar 31 08:24 (192.168.0.2)
[03:22] <skreet> ^^ wtf?!
[03:25] <lewwy> cool beans
[03:25] <lewwy> quake3 works
[03:27] <freet> hey
[03:28] <Bandit> hello
[03:28] <kev0r> Anyone here know a nice 3d game for ubuntu?
[03:28] <garrut> tuxracer
[03:28] <garrut> :)
[03:28] <kev0r> not that one ;)
[03:28] <mjr> egoboo ;)
[03:28] <kev0r> nice shoot 'm up or something like that
[03:29] <black_nightmare> kev..I think there's doom/quake2 on synaptics
[03:29] <garrut> doom3
[03:29] <mjr> hmm, shoot... well, dwarves have shotguns in egoboo ;)
[03:29] <crimsun> bzflag
[03:29] <kev0r> hehe now trying Adonthell
[03:29] <kev0r> :P
[03:30] <EvilIdler> Privateer remake? Vegastrike?
[03:30] <Dreamer3> any experts in harddrive failures here?
[03:31] <Dreamer3> oh, and is there a way to dump ALL data from a mysql server?  (i'm reading man mysqldump in a sec)
[03:31] <EvilIdler> Causing or debugging?
[03:31] <Dreamer3> i mean all tables, schema, everything
[03:31] <kev0r> yes i'm an expert in causing hard drive crashes!
[03:31] <skreet> Wow people in #debian are assholes.
[03:31] <Dreamer3> well, my drive has started powering down all the time for no reason
[03:31] <kzm> Dare I log out?  Reboot?
[03:32] <kzm> :-)
[03:32] <Dreamer3> kzm: go for it :)
[03:32] <Dreamer3> kzm: it worked for me
[03:32] <kev0r> and you did not backup and return the disk to the shop?
[03:32] <garrut> kofje
[03:32] <kev0r> hehe kzm you waited till the update was done?
[03:32] <Dreamer3> kev0r: it's 691 days old
[03:32] <kev0r> i powered down my pc in the middle :P
[03:32] <Dreamer3> kev0r: backing up everything now
[03:32] <EvilIdler> skreet: Very true. I stopped visiting #debian a long time ago, and am right now updating this system with Ubuntu.
[03:32] <kev0r> had that same thing, had a nice pic of it somewhere
[03:32] <Dreamer3> kev0r: seems to work fine, but scaring me that it keeps powering down
[03:32] <kev0r> you could see my download speed go down everytime it powered down :P
[03:33] <habib> hello all
[03:33] <kev0r> karim meftah?
[03:33] <EvilIdler> I've had several Maxtor drives crash and *burn*. I mean literally burst into flames.
[03:33] <Dreamer3> EvilIdler: eeks
[03:33] <kev0r> u serious?
[03:33] <Dreamer3> EvilIdler: i trust only hitachi/ibm drives, but i have no ideas what's in this laptop (ibm laptop)
[03:33] <kzm> Hmm...did something happen in between?
[03:34] <kzm> Apparently "memtest86+" needs an upgrade, so I'll get that first.
[03:34] <EvilIdler> Very serious. I'm not sure if the drives or the cables were the problem, but the cables had big holes in them afterwards :)
[03:34] <EvilIdler> I've been happy with Western Digital, which are more or less the same as IBM
[03:35] <kev0r> if you want a good hd, expensive though you should take a seagate
[03:35] <habib> I trying to add universe repository to my kubuntu using synaptic, but when i select it apears an error saying that this pack r not supported...
[03:35] <HiddenWolf> EvilIdler, not true. :P
[03:35] <kev0r> they hardly ever crash
[03:35] <lewwy> hey guys, im trying to get Cedega CVS to work on ubuntu, however its making a make error that i will post in flood.  so can anyone help?
[03:35] <kzm> Okay, guys.  If I'm not back in half an hour, you'll have to come looking for me!
[03:35] <EvilIdler> HiddenWolf: Qualitywise, I think they are
[03:35] <lewwy> hey guys, im trying to get Cedega CVS to work on ubuntu, however its making a make error that i will post in flood.  so can anyone help?
[03:35] <kzm> It's (tatam) Hoary time!
[03:35] <kev0r> lewwy: the WineX thingy?
[03:35] <lewwy> yeh
[03:35] <kev0r> don't you have to pay for that?
[03:35] <lewwy> yes kev0r
[03:35] <lewwy> uh, no
[03:35] <lewwy> the latest CVS build
[03:36] <kev0r> ok, but you have to pay for the games that run on it right?
[03:36] <EvilIdler> CVS is free. You don't get the copy-protection compatibility without paying
[03:36] <freet> somebody knows how to run dhclient automatically on startup?
[03:36] <lewwy> uh yes kev0r...
[03:36] <Dreamer3> i'm just wondering if powering down al the time is supposed to be a sign of failure?
[03:36] <kev0r> there is some paying involved with the damned thing
[03:36] <kev0r> so i hate it :P
[03:36] <kev0r> is it a sign of a good working hd Dreamer3
[03:36] <lewwy> so, can anyone help with my CVS wine problem?
[03:36] <Dreamer3> ok... /var/cache/apt (i'm on dial-up), /var/lib/mysql, /home... anything else important i should go for?
[03:36] <tritium> lewwy, did you have build-essential installed?
[03:36] <EvilIdler> Sorry, on AMD64 here. No chance I can even try Cedega :)
[03:37] <kev0r> lol Dreamer3 u on dailup?
[03:37] <mhaggag> Hi all, I have a quick question: Is network-admin known to be freaking buggy or what?
[03:37] <kev0r> hahahha
[03:37] <kev0r> how do you get all the updates?
[03:37] <skreet> EvilIdler, Cant you run 32-bit apps on amd64?
[03:37] <lewwy> yeh tritium, i had build-essential installed
[03:37] <Dreamer3> kev0r: i downlaod them
[03:37] <EvilIdler> skreet: Not wine, it seems. A long Google session told me "give up" :/
[03:37] <kev0r> takes ages
[03:37] <Dreamer3> kev0r: i learn patience
[03:37] <skreet> Wow thats neat.
[03:37] <skreet> *not*
[03:37] <tritium> lewwy, okay, that's good
[03:37] <EvilIdler> SMAC works fine in Debian/Ubuntu64, though
[03:37] <kev0r> i'm trying Egoboo, now i'm getting this error:
[03:37] <kev0r> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:37] <kev0r> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:37] <kev0r> Unable to set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
[03:38] <lewwy> tritium, you want me to post the error into flood?
[03:38] <skreet> kev0r, What kind of video card?
[03:38] <tritium> lewwy, I can take a look
[03:38] <kev0r> NV31
[03:38] <kev0r> nVidia 5600 fx
[03:38] <skreet> I meorized that NV table.
[03:38] <skreet> Thanks.
[03:38] <iGN> Hi.
[03:38] <skreet> Hm
[03:38] <EvilIdler> Get NVidia's official driver.
[03:38] <skreet> You installed nvidia-glx
[03:38] <kev0r> eep :|
[03:38] <skreet> on your current kernel
[03:38] <kev0r> lemme check
[03:38] <iGN> Anyone know which package intltoolize is in, if any? I'm using the Hoary-preview.
[03:39] <kev0r> yes it's installed
[03:39] <Dreamer3> again, there isn't some special setting in hoary that would make my drive do that?
[03:39] <kev0r> don't think there are any settings that let ur hd power up and down :)
[03:40] <skreet> I had to reinstall ubuntu and it's running sloooow
[03:40] <skreet> kev0r, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto  -- I used that page to setup my nvidia drivers, should help ya out.
[03:40] <lewwy> Dreamer3, power saving perhaps?
[03:40] <lewwy> Dreamer3, incredibly short power saving times?
[03:40] <Dreamer3> lewwy: i tried hdparm -S 0 /dev/hda (turn off power saving, and it still powers down)... give it like 10 seconds without activity and it's down
[03:41] <lewwy> saving the trees!
[03:41] <skreet> Dreamer3, Could be a function of the drive..?
[03:41] <Dreamer3> skreet: this is new, i've had this laptop a long time
[03:41] <lewwy> Dreamer3, what about setting the S setting to incredibly high?
[03:41] <lewwy> Dreamer3, like 999?
[03:41] <lewwy> Dreamer3, would that fix it?
[03:41] <libben> is the bt client that comes with ubuntu good enough? or should i install something else?
[03:42] <skreet> Dreamer3, Hm, Check your BIOS settings too Dreamer, lots of laptops have built in power saving...
[03:42] <lewwy> libben, i'd recommend azureus
[03:42] <libben> yeah, what i use for windows.
[03:42] <EvilIdler> Azureus gets another vote from me
[03:42] <skreet> I use g3torrent for windows, I dont think theres a linux build.
[03:42] <libben> so, is it avaible thru apt?
[03:42] <Dreamer3> i just set it to 30 minutes
[03:43] <Dreamer3> hmmmmmmm
[03:43] <EvilIdler> As long as you have Java, Azureus is pretty easy to get going. Download the right architecture tarball and just run from that directory.
[03:43] <Dreamer3> not dying yet
[03:43] <skreet> Where does bzFlag save?
[03:43] <Dreamer3> there it goes
[03:43] <skreet> the binary?
[03:43] <lewwy> Dreamer3, power distribution?
[03:43] <Dreamer3> skreet: yeah, but i haven't changed any seetings.... soo... /home /etc /var/lib/mysql /var/cache/apt, anything else?
[03:43] <lewwy> Dreamer3, somethings sucking too much power?
[03:44] <Dreamer3> lewwy: hmmmm
[03:44] <Dreamer3> lewwy: now that i don't know
[03:44] <lewwy> Dreamer3, we had a problem with a vodoo 2 card (ages ago) and something was sucking too much power.  Try unplugging something u dont need
[03:47] <libben> how do i remove the gnome-bittorrent... cause when im in synaptic... it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop
[03:47] <libben> and that dont feel soo good =)
[03:47] <HiddenWolf> libben: you don't, unless you want to remove -desktop. (which is harmless to do unless you dist-upgrade)
[03:49] <black_nightmare> any of you mind telling me if I can open a zip file on ubuntu or do I have to get additional downloads to do that?
[03:50] <tuxJr_14> black_nightmare, doesn't nautilus do it?
[03:50] <black_nightmare> oh ok...ty
[03:50] <lewwy> Music player complains of no mp3 codec, even tho i have libmad and w32codec installed
[03:50] <black_nightmare> pi...p| ... ?? lol
[03:50] <mjr> lewwy, gstreamer0.8-mad, as per wiki
[03:50] <tritium> lewwy, yes?
[03:51] <lewwy> tritium, did you look at my cedega problem? can it be fixed?
[03:51] <libben> so i dont remove the gnome torrent program?
[03:51] <tritium> lewwy, I asked about the configure script, and what libs are necessary to compile
[03:52] <lewwy> it uses a sh script to compile tritium
[03:52] <lewwy> not sure about the libs tho, any idea on how to find them out?
[03:53] <tritium> lewwy, I can't really say for sure without looking at it myself
[03:54] <lewwy> it dumps the error to a log file
[03:54] <lewwy> you want the log file tritium?
[03:55] <tritium> lewwy, no, I don't think it'll help much.  There are no details anywhere on required libs?
[03:55] <lewwy> no wait tritium
[03:55] <lewwy> i think there are
[03:55] <lewwy> buggered if i can remember where tho
[03:56] <lewwy> hang on tritium, i just found a howto
[03:56] <corza> how do i create a group in samba?
[03:56] <crypticreign> Dreamer3: next suggestion about what?
[03:56] <tritium> lewwy, that would be my first recommendation.  The first error points to a missing library most likely
[03:58] <corza> can someone help me out with samba?
[03:58] <black_nightmare> any of you know how to move a file in terminal?
[03:59] <thisfred> errrr mv ?
[03:59] <black_nightmare> oh jeeze... duh...damn and to think it said 'move' etc are bad commands
[03:59] <thisfred> np, I'm a an old dos refugee myself ;)
[03:59] <black_nightmare> so 'mv [file]  [destintation folder] ' I take it?
[03:59] <thisfred> yep
[04:00] <thisfred> man mv, for more options
[04:00] <black_nightmare> nah just need to sudo move a file into a folder (which seem to be locked from owner permissions)
[04:00] <lewwy> whats that libmad thingo called?
[04:00] <lewwy> stream-libmad?
[04:01] <lewwy> good morning everyone :D
[04:01] <lewwy> its 00:01 here
[04:01] <lewwy> talk about round the clock support
[04:02] <kev0r> LOL
[04:02] <kev0r> this egoboo rules
[04:02] <crimsun> lewwy: gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:02] <kev0r> but how does it work
[04:02] <kev0r> those frogs pwn me
[04:02] <Myrtti> thisfred: uulalaa, rhythmbox did actually give an error message
[04:02] <mjr> kev0r, heh, I recommend reading the manual ;)
[04:02] <Myrtti> ty for the hint
[04:02] <kev0r> no i wanna insta-pwn
[04:02] <thisfred> Myrtti, what did it say?
[04:02] <kev0r> :P
[04:02] <lewwy> yeh, i've got gstreamer0.80-mad but music player still wont play MP3's
[04:03] <bzzzbip> hello!
[04:03] <bzzzbip> anyone using ubuntu on an ibook out there?
[04:04] <black_nightmare> hmm someone want tell me how I kill a program that isn't responding to me clicking on 'X' ?
[04:04] <Myrtti> thisfred: --> /j #flood
[04:04] <lewwy> pkill "name of program"
[04:04] <lewwy> black_nightmare, pkill "name of program"
[04:04] <black_nightmare> ah doh...ty :)
[04:05] <Myrtti> thisfred: nevermind
[04:05] <Myrtti> thisfred: ** ERROR **: file poa.c: line 1025 (ORBit_POA_activate_object_T): assertion failed: ((poa->life_flags & ORBit_LifeF_DeactivateDo) == 0)
[04:05] <lewwy> whoa cedega takes a while to compile
[04:05] <thisfred> Myrtti, ok, sry I have no idea what that means. Maybe I shouldnt have asked ;)
[04:07] <mjr> lewwy, well, it _does_ do a large portion of what a certain operating system does, so it's not likely to be a small job ;)
[04:07] <lewwy> lol mjr okay
[04:07] <kev0r> oh crap
[04:07] <kev0r> i just played Cube
[04:07] <lewwy> hey, i have  gstreamer0.8-mad intstalled, but music player still complains theres no codec to play mp3
[04:07] <crimsun> lewwy: did you restart Music Player?
[04:07] <mjr> lewwy, just checking, but did you restart it?
[04:08] <kev0r> but now my screen is 800x600 and i can scroll over my normal res :D
[04:08] <lewwy> yeh
[04:08] <lewwy> i restarted
[04:08] <mjr> Well then, it's impossible. You're imagining the problem.
[04:08] <lewwy> if by restarting you mean hit the X and then running it again, yes
[04:08] <mjr> (that is, I have no suggestions)
[04:08] <lewwy> yes....im hallocinating about an error in Music Player... lol
[04:09] <lewwy> dose anyone else have any suggestions?
[04:09] <ministeve> anyone here?
[04:09] <lewwy> man o man make is taking a while on cedega
[04:09] <mjr> kev0r, change the resolution back from the desktop preferences thingy, should work
[04:10] <ministeve> must be
[04:10] <woodywarty> How do I use my GnuPG key in Evolution 2 ?
[04:10] <kev0r> i know, but who is gonna play Cube with me? :P
[04:10] <keffo> is there any app that you can use instead of example alcohol 120% .. what im looking for is to mount it the same way as alcohol does..
[04:10] <keffo> not the ordinary mount in linux
[04:10] <ministeve> what speed should i burn the CD at?
[04:11] <mjr> woodywarty, pretty much automatically, I think, but if you have a problem try to set the key to use manually from the mail account setup
[04:11] <mjr> ministeve, umm, the default? :)
[04:11] <solidape> i have some problems installing mplayer, could anyone help?
[04:11] <woodywarty> Which key should I use: gpg --list-keys ?
[04:11] <mjr> woodywarty, umm, your key?
[04:11] <lewwy> hey guys, i have an xmms error.  Here it is.  libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:11] <lewwy> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[04:11] <lewwy>   any suggestions?
[04:12] <ministeve> thats what i did, but i got an error telling me to burn the CD slower
[04:12] <ministeve> and i did, and it gave me the same error
[04:12] <woodywarty> There are 2 keys
[04:12] <ministeve> i did x32 and x2
[04:12] <woodywarty> which one should I use
[04:12] <woodywarty> ???
[04:12] <fromport> can i ask a question about hoary changed behaviour in X since yesterday ?
[04:12] <mjr> ministeve, oh, the first one identifies them both
[04:12] <lewwy> no you may not fromport
[04:12] <fromport> oh... ok ;-)
[04:13] <lewwy> i kid i kid
[04:13] <fromport> known subject then ?
[04:13] <ministeve> ...buh?
[04:13] <prego> I'm wondering... if I upgrade packages, like for instance GTK+2, do I need to reboot or to close the session or will everything still run properly during current session? What about new apps launched?
[04:13] <lewwy> not really no fromport
[04:13] <lewwy> so can anyone help me with my xmms error?
[04:13] <ministeve> you'll have to excuse me, i'm not the brightest tool in the shed.
[04:13] <ministeve> sharpest, even
[04:13] <fromport> since yesterday maximum resolution on my shutle is suddenly 1024x758 and only 60 Hz. day before that it was 1280x1024 & 75 hz
[04:14] <fromport> just because of dist-upgrade
[04:14] <huring> will apt-get upgrade also upgrade the kernel?
[04:14] <lewwy> crimsun: can you help me with my xmms error please.  its creating a assertion failure
[04:14] <fromport> huring: if needed: yes ;-)
[04:14] <prego> huring, since synaptic does, I guess apt-get upgrade will do also.
[04:14] <ministeve> ...so at which speed should i burn ubuntu onto a disc?
[04:15] <huring> :-) cool!
[04:15] <fromport> as fast as possible ?
[04:15] <huring> here
[04:15] <huring> here
[04:15] <prego> ministeve, I had once problems and I had to reburn it at 1x
[04:16] <prego> ministeve, with install disk; never had problems with live evals ??????
[04:16] <ministeve> hmm
[04:16] <ministeve> i can't choose 1x
[04:16] <huring> Damn laptop keyboard...  here's a problem, when i do apt-get upgrade it wants to upgrade my pcmcia drivers and so wants to shut them down - while downloading the updates...
[04:16] <ministeve> i've got 8x to 32x
[04:16] <huring> (pcmcia ethernet..)
[04:16] <ministeve> my writer seems to do that sometimes
[04:17] <ministeve> last time i tried burning a CD it wouldn't let me go under 40x
[04:17] <prego> ministeve, use the lower one, then, and pray ;-) perhaps your burner is far better than mine
[04:17] <huring> maybe if i don
[04:17] <freet> anyone knows how to run dhclient on startup?
[04:17] <Myrtti> thisfred: I think the problem is with GStreamer
[04:17] <huring> t do the upgrade over ssh... :-O
[04:18] <prego> freet, dhclient is dhcp client?
[04:18] <ministeve> ok
[04:18] <ministeve> i'll give x2 another shot
[04:18] <freet> prego: guess so :)
[04:18] <prego> freet, should be automatic if you have configured eth0 to get IP via dhcp.
[04:18] <ministeve> ...if it ever decides to let me choose 2x
[04:19] <freet> on startup i get errors eth0: prism54: couldnt upload firmware(isl3886) or something like that
[04:19] <freet> than, after startup got to run dhclient first be4 i got connection
[04:19] <ministeve> alright, 8x
[04:20] <freet> prego: and that gui configuration thing for networks keeps on crashing
[04:20] <corza> can someone help me with samba?
[04:20] <prego> freet, I don't know, but perhaps your card is not fully supported
[04:21] <lewwy> freet, what interface do you want to get up
[04:21] <freet> prego: dont think so, havent had this problem before
[04:21] <lewwy> freet, eth0? eth1?
[04:21] <freet> eth0
[04:21] <nozzy> corza: what is the problem?
[04:21] <fromport> removinging, loading, new dhcprequest only way to get it going again
[04:21] <fromport> write shell script for that ;-)
[04:21] <lewwy> freet, go into terminal, and type the following
[04:21] <freet> have 2 network cards thought
[04:21] <lewwy> freet, su ifconfig eth0 up
[04:22] <lewwy> freet, dhclient eth0
[04:22] <lewwy> excluding the freet ofcourse
[04:22] <prego> freet, you may also use a static ip like this:
[04:22] <freet> lewwy: i know, i get connection
[04:22] <lewwy> prego he wants DHCP
[04:22] <prego> freemymind, sudo ifconfig eth0 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxxx netmask xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx up
[04:23] <lewwy> haha buggered up prego
[04:23] <membreya> ok logged into a mail server via telnet, and I want to delete all the files..what's the command?
[04:23] <freet> but i want connection on startup, without the errors costing me double the time to start up :s
[04:23] <prego> lewwy, sure, but perhaps he can explore things with static setup ... who knows
[04:23] <lewwy> thats wiki then
[04:23] <freet> k thx anyway :)
[04:23] <lewwy> prego, i said you buggered up cause you said "freemymind" not "freet"
[04:24] <freet> :)
[04:24] <prego> Ooops sorry!!!
[04:24] <freet> eheh np :p
[04:24] <lewwy> lol
[04:24] <prego> lewwy, I'm looking up "to bugger up" since I'm not english mother tongue and I don't know what does it mean, yet.
[04:25] <lewwy> prego lol it means you screwed up
[04:25] <UBabe> finally I'm back online! :D
[04:25] <lewwy> prego you did something wrong, and its make funnable
[04:25] <corza> can someone help me with samba?
[04:26] <lewwy> prego, its usually used in australia
[04:26] <prego> lewwy, and that is "to bugger up", OK, lol then.
[04:27] <lewwy> more or less lol prego
[04:27] <lewwy> MAN wine takes AGES to checkout via CVS
[04:27] <prego> lewwy, damn X-Chat... why sometimes uses the nickname it wants?
[04:27] <osity> bob2....good morning.....i got a Base system installation error with a new burn cd
[04:27] <freet> prego: use irssi
[04:28] <lewwy> dunno prego
[04:28] <kzm> Some Hoary problems, but not too bad:
[04:28] <randabis> use konversation :p
[04:28] <membreya> ok logged into a mail server via telnet, and I want to delete all the files..what's the command?
[04:28] <kzm> gnome-session wouldn't load -- I had to remove the .gnome2 dir to be able to log in
[04:28] <membreya> cmon, someone has to know :P
[04:28] <kzm> nvidia-module doesn't load automatically
[04:28] <randabis> lewwy: there are ubuntu repositories for wine at winehq
[04:28] <HappyPills> lewwy: Whenever I don't know the meaning of some word I jump on http://www.urbandictionary.com, if that doesn't have the meaning I say Bugger it ignore the word
[04:29] <HappyPills> oops
[04:29] <HappyPills> I mean prego
[04:29] <prego> hey, I don't dislike X-chat, despite of that nuissance
[04:29] <kzm> I still need to load the fonts config application to get back my fonts
[04:29] <prego> HappyPills, My dictionary tool is not getting any result... hmmm
[04:30] <HappyPills> prego: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bugger
[04:31] <lewwy> whats the command to rename something in the terminal?
[04:31] <lewwy> prego, its slang
[04:31] <HappyPills> anyway. reboot time =P
[04:31] <lewwy> prego, if we want to be absolutely one hunded percent technical i think it used to refer to gays or something.  MANY years ago
[04:31] <fabbione> hi guys
[04:31] <prego> HappyPills, lewwy : it is like screew up, then
[04:31] <fabbione> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-March/006353.html
[04:31] <kbrede> lewwy, mv filename newfilename
[04:31] <fabbione> please take a look at the post
[04:31] <lewwy> prego, screw* up yeh
[04:31] <fabbione> and let me know
[04:31] <prego> lewwy, the command is mv
[04:32] <lewwy> thankyou prevo and kbrede
[04:32] <prego> LeeColleton, kbrede predates my comment
[04:32] <prego> oops again
[04:32] <prego> LeeColleton, sorry, lewwy was for you... I must be having lunch at a bugger he he
[04:33] <kbrede> anyone have trouble using sudo in gnome terminal this morning after an update?  I can sudo in console but not gnome.
[04:33] <prego> Ohh! I don't own a nvidia card :-((
[04:33] <lewwy> prego, now see, that didnt make much sense
[04:34] <lewwy> prego, i'll say one thing tho.  you're damn good at english. what other languages do you know?
[04:34] <Jamminpotato> how can i upgrade my warty to hoary?
[04:34] <lewwy> prego, and how long u known english for?
[04:35] <lewwy> Jamminpotato, redownload
[04:35] <lewwy> Jamminpotato, i think theres no other way
[04:35] <Jamminpotato> =/
[04:35] <Jamminpotato> and reinstall?
[04:35] <Myrtti> Jamminpotato: replace in your sources.list entries for warty with hoary
[04:35] <lewwy> r u serious Myrtti ?
[04:35] <Jamminpotato> where is sources.list?
[04:35] <Pyre> I don't know Jamminpotato. They're not connected to IRC.
[04:35] <Myrtti> then update and dist-upgrade
[04:35] <lewwy> wont that muck it up?
[04:35] <lewwy> oh ok
[04:36] <freet> what command to use to see all connected hardware? like usb-sticks and stuff
[04:36] <Myrtti> lewwy: that's what I've done three times, and no, it wont
[04:36] <Myrtti> Jamminpotato: /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:36] <lewwy> i think Myrtti is right Jamminpotato.  Listen to him lol
[04:36] <Jamminpotato> thanks
[04:36] <Myrtti> lewwy: unless you're very unlucky
[04:36] <Myrtti> lewwy: her :-)
[04:36] <freet> what command to use to see all connected hardware? like usb-sticks and stuff
[04:37] <lewwy> hey i got a question.  If I update my hoary distro (390mbs worth) what will i exactly gain from it
[04:37] <Myrtti> your warty distro to hoary?
[04:37] <EvilIdler> freet: Try lspci
[04:37] <freet> EvilIdler: thx
[04:37] <randabis> lewwy: mostly bugfixes
[04:37] <theine> hi, could anyone give me a hint where to find a howto on creation of debian packages
[04:37] <prego> lewwy, I'm spanish, and catalan so I know spanish, catalan and some english.
[04:37] <lewwy> randabis, so like
[04:37] <EvilIdler> freet:Well, also cat /proc/<something>
[04:37] <Jamminpotato> myrtti: what do i change now that im in sources.list
[04:37] <lewwy> randabis, "if it aint broken, dont fix it"
[04:38] <lewwy> prego, what is catalan?
[04:38] <prego> lewwy, I started learning english long long time ago, since it was at school...
[04:38] <randabis> lewwy: you could see it that way, but updating is generally a good idea
[04:38] <freet> could it be ubuntu doesn't "recognize" the usb entries in my front panel?
[04:38] <lewwy> prego, paravous francias?
[04:38] <Myrtti> Jamminpotato: everything (except the CD-thing, comment that out with a #) that says warry, replace that with hoary
[04:38] <Myrtti> sorry, s/warry/warty
[04:38] <prego> lewwy, a regional languaje. It is somewhat between french and spanish, but I can't speak french
[04:39] <St0n3-C0l> yo Kubuntu rocks and Ubuntuforums too :P
[04:39] <randabis> indeed
[04:39] <lewwy> hey what the hells kubuntu?
[04:39] <Myrtti> I've grown to like Gnome
[04:39] <lewwy> KDE?
[04:39] <St0n3-C0l> yeah
[04:39] <Myrtti> yeah
[04:39] <randabis> lewwy: correct
[04:39] <St0n3-C0l> ubuntu with KDE
[04:39] <Myrtti> ubuntu with KDE
[04:39] <prego> freet, I have /dev/sda1 entry in my fstab to drive my penstick as I want...
[04:39] <lewwy> OMG *GETS*
[04:39] <randabis> and it rocks my socks
[04:39] <lewwy> can i switch to it thru ubuntu?
[04:39] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[04:39] <randabis> lewwy: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:39] <lewwy> like, updae
[04:39] <Riddell> lewwy: yes, kubuntu.org/faq.php
[04:39] <lewwy> cool beans
[04:39] <lewwy> how big
[04:40] <St0n3-C0l> I was using GNOME for about 6months :P
[04:40] <kev0r> OMG this is the coolest game ever ><
[04:40] <prego> lewwy, about 150Mb perhaps
[04:40] <Riddell> depends on what's on your system at the moment lewwy
[04:40] <St0n3-C0l> kev0r: which one :P
[04:40] <lewwy> hmmm
[04:40] <lewwy> 107mb to download....
[04:40] <EvilIdler> I'm turning my Debian64 into Ubuntu, and that's 400MB already. I think I'll wait before I try the kubuntu desktop :)
[04:40] <lewwy> thats not bad for a complete KDE changeover
[04:40] <UBabe> to reset the user password from terminal again, whats the command again?
[04:40] <lewwy> might do it 2morro
[04:41] <Myrtti> UBabe: passwd
[04:41] <Jamminpotato> myrtti: it says its read only ?
[04:41] <randabis> it doesn't change it over lewwy...it adds it to your install..so you'll still have gnome
[04:41] <UBabe> Thanks Myrtti
[04:41] <Myrtti> Jamminpotato: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:41] <randabis> but you'll be able to use kde as well
[04:41] <lewwy> yeh i understand that randabis
[04:42] <St0n3-C0l> KDE 3.4.0 looking much more better than their previous versions
[04:42] <UBabe> gtg brb
[04:42] <randabis> definitely
[04:42] <randabis> and it's FAST
[04:42] <randabis> faster than gnome imho
[04:42] <prego> St0n3-C0l, I prefer gnome, and ubuntu's gnome is almost as fast as gnome (that was not the case some months ago)
[04:42] <lewwy> k
[04:42] <Myrtti> hmmm, should I try it too...
[04:42] <lewwy> i'm gonna try to update to KDE
[04:42] <prego> St0n3-C0l, btw, since plastik, I feel KDE usable again
[04:42] <St0n3-C0l> If anyone having problems with their /etc/resolv.conf (gets reset on every startup) then 'http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6704&highlight=nameserver'
[04:42] <lewwy> 110mb can't complain
[04:43] <lewwy> i was expecting more like 500mb
[04:43] <lewwy> or like 200mb atleat
[04:43] <lewwy> atleast*
[04:43] <prego> lewwy, be aware that your gnome menus will now contain kde apps also...
[04:43] <St0n3-C0l> prego: hmm..
[04:43] <lewwy> hey why is debian 3cd's big
[04:43] <lewwy> and ubuntu only on
[04:43] <lewwy> one*
[04:43] <EvilIdler> lewwy: Did Debian shrink?!
[04:43] <lewwy> prego, is that bad?
[04:43] <prego> lewwy, not necessary,
[04:43] <lewwy> how many cd's is debian then?
[04:44] <lewwy> might have been six...
[04:44] <Myrtti> lewwy: debian install can fit into a usb-memory stick too
[04:44] <freet> MB's aren't my friend today
[04:44] <randabis> because debian offers the majority of their repositories on cds
[04:44] <lewwy> ok ok ok
[04:44] <lewwy> get thi
[04:44] <EvilIdler> I've seen an 8-CD version, plus I have a 4GB DVD version of Woody
[04:44] <randabis> for people with slow internet connections
[04:44] <maswan> 14 cds acutally. :)
[04:44] <freet> i exceeded my bandwidth
[04:44] <St0n3-C0l> lewwy: Debian Sarge is on 14cds :P
[04:44] <Xappe> there's a dvd version of ubuntu too
[04:44] <St0n3-C0l> If u like to download all of them
[04:44] <Jamminpotato> myrtti : now do i refresh in the package manager?
[04:44] <lewwy> if i wanted to install debian w/ xfce to my USB pendrive
[04:44] <lewwy> how would i
[04:44] <lewwy> WHOA
[04:44] <St0n3-C0l> and to install a desktop environment and get other softwares from Internet
[04:44] <lewwy> 14cds?
[04:44] <lewwy> what can it do?
[04:44] <St0n3-C0l> just 1cd :)
[04:44] <maswan> the reason is that ubuntu doesn't have all weird and exotic stuff on cds
[04:45] <LeeJunFan> freet: suddenly those mp3's don't seem so important :)
[04:45] <Myrtti> Jamminpotato: yes
[04:45] <freet> LeeJunFan: what do you mean? :)
[04:45] <randabis> lewwy: 14 cds because it contains sarge's repositories almost in their entirety
[04:45] <Myrtti> I need some new nail polish
[04:45] <HiddenWolf> lewwy: debian runs fine if you just d/l the first cd. BUt they package like all software known to man with it.
[04:45] <randabis> the non-free repository is about the only thing not included
[04:46] <LeeJunFan> freet: just being a smart ass - implying that downloading music set you over the limit. :)
[04:46] <prego> randabis, and about speed, (I am a Gnome fan, I know), KDE startups are quite longer than gnome's... at least in my case
[04:46] <Jamminpotato> myrtti: how do i know if its worked?
[04:46] <freet> LeeJunFan: guess you're right :D
[04:46] <Myrtti> well...
[04:46] <randabis> prego: just the opposite for me, especially with kde 3.4
[04:46] <keffo> anyone playing football manager 2005 with cedega?
[04:46] <Myrtti> Jamminpotato: Settings --> Repositories
[04:46] <Myrtti> in synaptic
[04:46] <prego> randabis, I'm comparing ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop in the same computer...
[04:47] <randabis> prego: as am I
[04:47] <freet> started dist-upgrade some 2 hours and a half ago
[04:47] <freet> still up to 3h30 fetching packages :/ :d
[04:47] <Jamminpotato> myrtti: seems to have worked
[04:47] <Xappe> slow connection?
[04:47] <Quinn_Storm> freet: what kind of connection? o_O
[04:47] <Myrtti> uulalaa, 108Megs, 15mins left
[04:47] <prego> randabis, funny, then.... it's a good thing to be able to choose ;-)
[04:47] <randabis> indeed
[04:47] <Myrtti> Jamminpotato: then upgrade
[04:47] <freet> ADSL, but, as I said, they switched me to smallba,d
[04:48] <Myrtti> preferably with smart update
[04:48] <freet> s/smallba,d/smallband
[04:48] <Myrtti> or what ever
[04:48] <Jamminpotato> ho do i upgrade?
[04:48] <randabis> smart-update is MANDATORY for a hoary upgrade
[04:48] <termitor_taff> adsl (11mb/1100kb)
[04:48] <Xappe> freet: 512 kbit?
[04:48] <debiz> anyone who gets firebird database server run on warty?
[04:48] <freet> Xappe: jup
[04:48] <Xappe> freet: kinda slow then :/
[04:48] <Myrtti> "Mark all upgrades" --> "smart upgrade" --> "apply"
[04:49] <debiz> i can't because the init.d script points to a binary that doesn't exists
[04:49] <Quinn_Storm> Myrtti: is that the same thing as apt-get dist-upgrade?  just curious, I installed hoary directly myself
[04:49] <agab> hi friends, could anyone explain me hot to share a hp laserjet 1300 printer connected to an ubuntu system?
[04:49] <Myrtti> Quinn_Storm: yes
[04:50] <Quinn_Storm> Myrtti: ok, just checking.  really one should never not do dist-upgrade, a "dumb upgrade" is a bad idea
[04:50] <ikaro> hellas
[04:50] <freet> Xappe: luckfully, its the last day of the month
[04:50] <prego> agab, nice printer ;-) to whom you want to share it ?? windows? linux?
[04:50] <Myrtti> Quinn_Storm: though I'm not sure
[04:50] <Jamminpotato> now all ihave to do is get unvierse to show up =/
[04:50] <Myrtti> and can't check now either, since I'm running synaptic downloads
[04:50] <freet> Xappe: tommorow I'm on 4.4 MBits again
[04:50] <Myrtti> and this line is sssooooooo laggy
[04:50] <Xappe> freet: better :)
[04:51] <freet> Xappe: kinda :D
[04:51] <Xappe> freet: i'm only satisfied when i get 700 - 1000 kB/s from the ubuntu servers
[04:52] <agab> could anyone explain me how to share a printer in ubuntu? i am using cups
[04:53] <freet> Xappe: me too, but i'm downloading and upgrading ass much as i can now, it doesn't count anymore :)
[04:53] <prego> agab, but to also linux machines??
[04:53] <Xappe> agab, you can find a guide on the wiki pages
[04:53] <grogoreo> hi
[04:53] <agab> yes all the machines are linux
[04:53] <agab> fedora
[04:53] <randabis> people doing fresh installs of hoary might want to check this out: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
[04:54] <Xappe> agab, you have to change a few things in the cupsd.conf
[04:54] <agab> ok
[04:54] <agab> i changed listen to port 631
[04:54] <grogoreo> when I try to run a program under wine it says "error while loading shared libraries: libwine.so.1". Before I reinstalled wine, i manged to run this same program without any problems. And i cant even run notepad
[04:54] <Xappe> agab, yes, but you also have to allow connections
[04:54] <prego> agab, it is useful to point a web browser to the_host:631 from clients to see if it is working
[04:55] <randabis> heh
[04:55] <osity> anyone know why i got a Base system installation error with a new burnt cd
[04:55] <randabis> terry schiavo died finally
[04:55] <Jamminpotato> YAY!!!!
[04:55] <randabis> for real
[04:55] <randabis> now those idiots will go home
[04:55] <Jamminpotato> maybe the media will shutup now
[04:55] <Jamminpotato> .....doubt it
[04:55] <osity> well if ya dont feed someone....they die
[04:55] <agab> Xappe the page said that i have no permissions
[04:55] <randabis> true
[04:55] <Jamminpotato> yea but hse took a long time doing it
[04:56] <agab> when i try http://192.168.25.85:631/
[04:56] <Xappe> agab, what page?
[04:56] <Xappe> agab, from the remote comp?
[04:56] <randabis> it's sad that she died, but damn the media, congress, etc. just took advantage of the situation for their own benefit
[04:56] <agab> yes
[04:56] <agab> from the remote machine
[04:56] <Xappe> agab, ok. w8 i'll check my file
[04:57] <agab> when i try http://192.168.25.85:631/ from the local it appears the cups page correctly
[04:57] <prego> agab, then you have to modify correctly the cupsd.conf since it is not accepting foreign requests.
[04:57] <agab> please Xappe, i will be waiting your help
[04:57] <clx> gokiburi: hi :>
[04:57] <prego> agab, make sure you are not using a firewall, also
[04:57] <gokiburi> clx: hi
[04:58] <prego> agab, in such case, enable the 631 port....
[04:58] <E0x> mornign
[04:58] <E0x> morning*
[04:58] <clx> gokiburi: kak tebya suda zaneslo ?:)
[04:58] <agab> i just installed ubuntu, how could disable the firewall in an ubuntu fresh installation?
[04:58] <gokiburi> clx: i want to change my deb to ubuntu =)
[04:58] <E0x> warty dont use udev by default
[04:59] <Xappe> agab: you have to add a "Allow from <ip>" in addition to the one that allows localhost
[04:59] <clx> gokiburi: #ubuntu-ru come on.
[05:00] <agab> in cupsd.conf i should put the line: Allow from 192.168.25.* for my network?
[05:00] <Xappe> agab: there is no firewall in ubuntu by default
[05:00] <Jamminpotato> im updating yay
[05:01] <Xappe> agab: in between the <Location></Location>
[05:02] <agab> are there that label inside the cupsd.conf file?
[05:02] <Xappe> yes
[05:02] <agab> ok, i am going to test it
[05:02] <prego> agab, no firewal in ubuntu by default. Unless you have installed firestarter which I guess you have not
[05:03] <Xappe> I can paste mine in a pm for you if you want
[05:03] <freet> does anyone know why it is, when i want to view an image, it takes ages for the viewer to start up?
[05:03] <agab> please Xappe
[05:03] <tritium> strange, evolution can't put meeting notices in my calendar today.  I have to manually save and then import the .ics file.
[05:03] <E0x> how i can reload udev ? (  i make change in permissions ) ?
[05:03] <prego> freet, which viewer?
[05:04] <freet> prego: the default one
[05:04] <Jamminpotato> when hoary is released final will i have to upgrade my preiview release?
[05:04] <freet> prego: the one in right-click menu standing on top :)
[05:04] <prego> freet, I like gthumb... it needs some time to fire up, but then it is so good...
[05:04] <spades> is there an ubuntuguide.org for hoary?
[05:04] <no0tic> Jamminpotato: yes
[05:04] <Dalkus> Jamminpotato, its suggested
[05:04] <dockane> hi all ... installed  a printer (kyocera 1750) which is capable of postscript (i think) and tried to print with gimp. the spooler shows that that it shoudl have been printed but nothing happens
[05:04] <dockane> i am on hoary
[05:05] <freet> well, its doenst really matter which one it is, as long as i can view my images in large faster :)
[05:05] <St0n3-C0l> How do I add flashplugins in Konqueror ?
[05:05] <prego> dockane, did you try a print test page??
[05:05] <freet> St0n3-C0l: isn't there a package flashplayer-plugin?
[05:05] <prego> freet, gthumb is good when you have many images in the same dir (you can also create your collections)
[05:05] <dockane> prego, yes the same : the printer does "nothing", the status of the printer shows no incoming data
[05:05] <St0n3-C0l> freet: there's but Konqueror is not getting ?
[05:06] <freet> prego: is it a thumbnail viewer? cause that works perfectly
[05:06] <St0n3-C0l> I wanna know the plugins directory
[05:06] <freet> prego: only when i want to view them in large
[05:06] <prego> dockane, if you cannot do a print test, you won't print elsewhere
[05:06] <freet> St0n3-C0l: i guess it is in /usr/bin/Konqueror/plugin or something
[05:06] <prego> freet, you can switch to image view and to fullscreen from there.
[05:07] <St0n3-C0l> no such file
[05:07] <prego> freet, explore the menus and/or the toolbar
[05:07] <freet> prego: hmm k
[05:07] <dockane> prego, ok but that only reduces my problem  to the testprint and does not solve it
[05:07] <freet> St0n3-C0l: sorry, i don't know it for sure :)
[05:07] <prego> dockane, yes, your are right. But that is the first step to solve the problem; isn't it?
[05:07] <Dalkus> I have a mounted FAT32 partition that I use to share files between my windows and ubuntu warty instilations. Even when as root, I don't have permission to move some of the files on that partition. (I have chrooted it to my user account, and tried to chmod 755 it, but I lack the permissions) What must I do?
[05:07] <freet> St0n3-C0l: type find / -iname plugin
[05:07] <freet> St0n3-C0l: u should find it
[05:08] <prego> Dalkus, set the "user"  option at fstab ?
[05:08] <Jamminpotato> in firefox for linux i cnat find prefrences....
[05:08] <St0n3-C0l> freet: thanks
[05:08] <freet> St0n3-C0l: found it?
[05:09] <St0n3-C0l> searching :P
[05:09] <Dalkus> prego, its set to user
[05:09] <Jamminpotato> anyone knwo where prefrences is in firefox
[05:09] <freet> prego: yea, it looks nice but it crashes immediatly
[05:09] <St0n3-C0l> Real sleepy
[05:09] <freet> prego: or do i have to wait some minutes without response?
[05:09] <Dalkus> prego, /dev/hdb1       /share          vfat    rw,user,auto,umask=0        0       0    is the relevent line ?
[05:09] <Dalkus> I can't understand why I dont have permission :S
[05:09] <prego> freet, are you sure? It works perfectly for me. It is strange...
[05:10] <freet> prego: i start it up, it opens, then no more response
[05:10] <prego> Dalkus, that is the line, yes. I'm not sure about the umask=0.
[05:10] <dockane> prego, hmpf ok : lets start again : my printer is a 1750 kyocera, i added him in hoary over gnome, tried to print a testpage : nothing happens !
[05:10] <Jamminpotato> does anyone know where i can find the prefrences in firefox 0.9.3 for linux
[05:11] <Dalkus> I forget why I set that, I'll try taking it out
[05:11] <freet> prego: but, i'll wait and see, because im upgrading now, it could be solved in update :)
[05:11] <prego> Dalkus, on the other way, perhaps change auto to noauto, so the user who manually mounts it, the user that has its permissions (if I'm not wrong)- it will require manually mounting, thought
[05:12] <prego> freet, looks like it is the problem
[05:12] <Dalkus> Thanks, I'll take that into consideration
[05:13] <prego> dockane, did the printer tool  detect the serial port?
[05:13] <freet> prego: what is the problem?
[05:14] <LeeJunFan> trying to get synaptic to run over ssh-x-forward I get (synaptic:8411): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: -  I have forwarding on and an xorg server installed.
[05:14] <dockane> prego, i attached the printer on parallel port
[05:15] <dockane> prego, which printer tool do you mean ?
[05:15] <prego> dockane, system->admin->printers
[05:15] <CarlK> LeeJunFan - did you allow connections to the server with xhost +
[05:16] <dockane> prego, exactyl did that
[05:16] <dockane> *exactly
[05:16] <CarlK> is there a script that will post my hardware config to some ubuntu site that is collecting what hardware works?
[05:16] <LeeJunFan> CarlK: you mean the xserver?
[05:16] <CarlK> LeeJunFan yes
[05:17] <LeeJunFan> well, I don't actually have X running on the remote side. Or do you mean on the local end?
[05:17] <dockane> prego, i got an icon there which shows : FS 1750 ready
[05:18] <CarlK> LeeJunFan - local
[05:18] <prego> dockane, perhaps you could try another driver, like FS-1700+ to see what it happens...
[05:18] <LeeJunFan> CarlK: no I didn't. Lemme take care of that - know where I need to set that off hand?
[05:19] <prego> dockane, that "ready" is not very true sometimes... I've experienced strange behaviour with remote printers sometimes, so I don't give it much credit
[05:19] <dockane> , when i klick on print testpage it says "testprint was sent to printer"
[05:19] <prego> dockane, that is the right process, though
[05:19] <CarlK> LeeJunFan - it is a command: xhosts +
[05:19] <LeeJunFan> CarlK: yeah, I just figured that out.
[05:20] <dockane> , than when i take a look into the spooler the status coloumn says : "pinting : job-printing"
[05:20] <LeeJunFan> CarlK: still no go.
[05:20] <prego> dockane, If I were you, I would try with older models to see if any happens... FS-1700+ is postscript also - at least it seems so.
[05:20] <prego> dockane, did you check dmesg to see if anything there gives you a clue?
[05:21] <dockane> prego, not yet
[05:22] <prego> dockane, also, If you have a handy printer elsewhere it would be interesting to see if another model/manufacturer printer does work....
[05:22] <prego> dockane, also, make sure you are updated to latest cups package.
[05:22] <dockane> prego, i am so sorry : maybe powerin the printer on would help ! argh
[05:23] <bretzel> Anyone tested that new nvidia binary ?
[05:23] <CarlK> LeeJunFan and you have X11Forwarding yes in /etc/ssh/ssh_config ?
[05:23] <icecrash> hi
[05:24] <LeeJunFan> CarlK: yeah, I'm asking in #xorg right now too.
[05:24] <LeeJunFan> CarlK: I used to do this all the time with mandrake.
[05:24] <CarlK> LeeJunFan - I do it sometimes, and always forget a ste
[05:24] <LeeJunFan> CarlK: well, not synaptic though :)
[05:24] <icecrash> the current version of awstats in warty is open for url-manipulation
[05:24] <CarlK> step
[05:24] <dockane> prego, could it be that the lpt port is not configured correctly ?
[05:24] <icecrash> version is 6.0-4
[05:24] <prego> dockane, Ooh! that was the only thing I had forget to check :-P
[05:24] <CarlK> icecrash - what is awstats?
[05:25] <icecrash> A powerful and featureful web server log analyzer
[05:25] <dockane> prego, where do i check that ?
[05:25] <prego> dockane, I don't know much about lpt port... never had a problem about it....
[05:25] <Dalkus> CarlK, software that gives you stats about your website
[05:25] <LeeJunFan> CarlK: it's got to be something server side, as I can ssh to my mandrake servers and get rpmdrake to run. So apparently my client side is ok.
[05:25] <icecrash> universe/web
[05:25] <prego> dockane, but after powering on the printer it still does not work?
[05:25] <CarlK> icecrash - thanks
[05:26] <icecrash> this bug should be fixed by an actual release
[05:26] <dockane> prego, no i ve just forgotten to power in on after i powered it off since it did not work
[05:26] <prego> dockane, ah! what I understood would be too easy...
[05:27] <prego> dockane, the "new printer" took does detect the printer??
[05:28] <djp> ok all, here's the rub... what is the latest realease of hoary like? I am ever so happy with warty. Stable, does what I want, makes me totally forget that I ever used MS Windows. Is it easy to upgrade? Is it worth it? Above all else is the current release stable? Or should I wait a little while into a final release? Questions, questions, questions...
[05:29] <Seveas> djp, if you lie warty, you'll like hoary better
[05:29] <Seveas> and it's really stable already
[05:29] <Seveas> upgrading is done in one line:
[05:29] <Seveas> djp: One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:29] <dockane> prego, no i just added it manually from the printer list. does it detect parallel port printers automatically ?
[05:30] <prego> dockane, leave the printer on, and select "new printer", to see if it detects it...
[05:31] <prego> djp, you need wide band-width to upgrade, though: expect about 600Mb download
[05:31] <djp> Seveas: one line upgrade? with no problems? I have been used to SUSE and Fedora respectively, and never have I ever managed a one line upgrade WITH NO PROBLEMS!!! this sounds to good to be true!
[05:31] <djp> prego: no problems in that area thankfully...
[05:31] <Seveas> djp, I have encounterd 0 problems on upgrade
[05:32] <Seveas> of course you should have ubuntu-desktop and linux-$yourarch installed for the smoothest transition ever
[05:32] <tritium> djp, if you want to stretch it out a bit, you can make it a 3 line upgrade ;)
[05:32] <prego> djp, I was doing the upgrade in a remote machine, and my display crashed, so it left the upgrade half-configuring the system.... I had to reconfigure it all but it worked afterward: far better than I expected.
[05:33] <membreya> Seveas: 1000111100 001100 1101
[05:33] <prego> djp, I was very impressed with that
[05:33] <membreya> fabbione: did you get my messages on the mailing list?
[05:33] <Seveas> membreya, that's still not proper binary
[05:33] <membreya> shush Seveas :P
[05:33] <prego> djp, I would not do it in purpose anymore, thought
[05:34] <prego> dockane, any progress?
[05:34] <djp> prego: wow!
[05:35] <icarus> Seveas, will the upgrade still be smooth using a custom warty kernel?  really new to linux...
[05:35] <prego> djp, I was really upset prior to checking the system booted and that it asked for the right command at next apt-get use!!!
[05:35] <Seveas> icarus, if you have linux-$YOURARCH installed, it will install the latest version of the linux kernel
[05:36] <Seveas> but custom warty kernels will *not* be removed
[05:36] <prego> djp, besides, Hoary is much more exciting, you have tons of downloads daily ;-P
[05:36] <Seveas> prego, only for the next 8 days
[05:36] <icarus> so i don't have to worry about source and headers then?
[05:36] <prego> Seveas, he
[05:36] <Seveas> icarus, well, probably you need to update those manually
[05:36] <membreya> Seveas: then we can look forward to grumpy :D
[05:36] <Seveas> membreya, it's breezy :)
[05:37] <membreya> grumpy :P
[05:37] <icarus> ok.  thanks.
[05:37] <djp> prego: they are not continuous bug fixes are they? ;)
[05:37] <membreya> breezy is the permanent development branch AFAIK
[05:37] <dockane> prego, sorry hat to awnser the phone
[05:37] <fabbione> membreya: sorry i had to go out for a bit.. reading now
[05:37] <membreya> fabbione: nevermind, I think I've answered my own problem :)
[05:37] <membreya> will get back to you in a few minutes
[05:37] <prego> djp, some of them are, others are translation things and bugs that don't affect you. But it is quite stable right now
[05:37] <Seveas> membreya, grumpy will be the perm. devel. branch
[05:37] <Seveas> breezy badger will be Ubuntu 5.10
[05:37] <membreya> :|
[05:38] <membreya> k
[05:38] <prego> djp, it is also funny to see the progress as it happens. On the other hand it is faster...
[05:38] <dockane> prego, it says : no printer detected
[05:39] <osity> what causes a Base system installation error with a new burnt cd
[05:39] <keyhack> Anyone know of a program that will go through my HTML/Java script code and indent/line-break it for me?
[05:39] <prego> dockane, hmmm, have you tried different port choices? because I can select Parallel Port with CANNON, EPSON and blank cases...
[05:40] <prego> dockane, I have not used a parallel printer in ubuntu, but other linux distributions have always detected my printer (at least the port)
[05:40] <membreya> fabbione: got it working now :P
[05:40] <termitor_taff> who using vserver on ubuntu ?
[05:42] <dockane> prego, i think there is somehting wrong with the lpt configuration. where can i check the lpt config ubuntu uses ?
[05:42] <fabbione> membreya: ok cool
[05:43] <UBabe> Anyone here know how to get Ubuntu to mount a network drive at startup without having to mess about with fstab?
[05:43] <Dalkus> To update from warty to hoary.... is all I need to do, issue these two commands...? apt-get update, apt-get upgrade
[05:43] <UBabe> like a user interface that just keeps my settings?
[05:44] <membreya> fabbione: I still only get 480fps on glxgears, but that's my problem to work out :P
[05:44] <prego> dockane, I'm sorry, I cannot further help you, but I agree that something may be wrong with lpt.
[05:44] <Dalkus> UBabe, messing with fstab isn't too hard :)
[05:44] <Dalkus> its just like changing a textfile...
[05:44] <Dalkus> all you have to do is shove in another line
[05:44] <dockane> prego, i will check the bios settings of my thinkpad for lpt
[05:44] <knesz> is there any way to apt-get OpenOffice 2.0 beta?
[05:45] <Dalkus> knesz, its in the hoary repositorys
[05:45] <prego> UBabe, you can use Nautilus for that, but is not a real mount
[05:45] <prego> dockane, sure; perhaps it is a bios problem, yes; good luck!
[05:45] <Dalkus> Do I need to add any repositories manually before doing a dist-upgrade? Or is that done automatically with apt-get update, apt-get upgrade
[05:46] <honzi> Hi
[05:46] <billyoc> Dalkus: well, apt-get update won't add new repositories, if that's what you mean.
[05:46] <Dalkus> What must I do to upgrade to hoary? :)
[05:46] <prego> UBabe, Places->Connect to server...
[05:46] <UBabe> Dalkus, i made my OS refuse to log into gnome for some stupid reason the last time i messed with fstab
[05:47] <UBabe> prego, but will that do it automatically at startup?
[05:47] <Dalkus> UBabe, always make a backup :)
[05:47] <prego> UBabe, no; that will let you access the remote files without a mount.
[05:47] <knesz> in synaptic package manager I see only 1.1.3 version
[05:47] <randabis> Dalkus: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[05:47] <Dalkus> thanks randabis
[05:47] <Dalkus> I must have missed that entry
[05:47] <prego> UBabe, if you want a startup real mount, fstab is your friend.
[05:48] <UBabe> prego, but whats the equivanent of mapping a network drive in Ubuntu?
[05:48] <UBabe> is this all to be done in fstab??
[05:48] <prego> UBabe, Why do you want to access the remote files?
[05:48] <freet> 2h of fetching to go
[05:48] <prego> UBabe, is it just to copy some file sometimes up and down?
[05:48] <randabis> Dalkus: take a look at this too http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[05:48] <prego> UBabe, or to directly work with that filesystem tree?
[05:48] <Dalkus> Many thanks randabis  :))
[05:49] <randabis> np
[05:49] <randabis> hoary's fun...been using it since january
[05:49] <UBabe> I have my MP3s stored on my server that all my users can see via iTunes, but since UbuntuPPC only has XMMS
[05:50] <UBabe> im kinda stuck with trying to get XMMS to see a mapped network drive.
[05:50] <randabis> UBabe: it doesn't have rhythmbox?
[05:50] <UBabe> whats rhythm box?
[05:50] <randabis> a music player similar to itunes
[05:50] <prego> UBabe, then, fstab is the only way I know unless rhythmbox accepts gnome-vfs, which I don't know but sure it does.
[05:51] <UBabe> whats the difference between rhythm box and XMMS?
[05:51] <randabis> UBabe: I just told you...rhythmbox looks and feels a lot like itunes
[05:51] <deFrysk> rhythmbox fails to execute saying : Failed to create the player: Couldn't initialise scheduler. Did you run gst-register?
[05:52] <deFrysk> what to do ?
[05:52] <UBabe> im just hoping its available for Ubuntu PPC ed.
[05:52] <thoreauputic> UBabe: playlists, gnome look, uses a different back end
[05:52] <prego> UBabe, rhythmbox is also more integrated to gnome
[05:52] <membreya> i totally forgot...nvidia 7167 crashes my PC >:\
[05:52] <prego> deFrysk, do what it says: gst-register  from a shell
[05:52] <thoreauputic> UBabe: it's the default music player
[05:53] <ogami1972b> hello room- i need some help installing a plugin for xmms...
[05:53] <thoreauputic> gst-register0.8
[05:53] <thoreauputic> actually to be accurate,   gst-register-0.8
[05:53] <xc> 88
[05:54] <dockane> prego, after checking the bios ( lpt was bidirectional and enabled) ubuntu detected the printer immediatly
[05:54] <jeanjean> how can i automatic search for my new monitor
[05:54] <deFrysk> prego, command not found
[05:54] <prego> dockane, woohoo! does it work?
[05:54] <E0x> ubuntu make  a autosave of iptable rules , when u put it ?
[05:54] <prego> deFrysk, seems to be gst-register0.8 as thoreauputic says
[05:55] <thoreauputic> deFrysk: gst-register-0.8
[05:55] <E0x> example iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE ?
[05:55] <dockane> prego, yes everything works fine. (still do not know why it didnt but that doesnt matter)
[05:56] <prego> dockane, ;-))
[05:56] <dockane> prego, thnx for your tipps. and if you ever habe a printer which SHOULD be detected but does not, just try a reboot
[05:56] <dockane> *have
[05:56] <prego> lol, don't forget to start the printer up ;-P
[05:57] <dockane> of course, that makes the world go round :)
[05:57] <deFrysk> prego, thoreauputic cool thanks :)
[05:57] <bretzel> Oh! the last gnome-stuff update provides nice gmone splash :-)
[05:58] <thoreauputic> E0x: you need a script for your iptables to start it at boot correctly, else the rules will evaporate
[05:58] <bretzel> ...And that new nvidia(-glx) bin seems to work, tested bzflag and it runs well :-)
[05:58] <Myrtti> can't help it, I still like Gnome better
[05:58] <DocUb> who is using xfce on Ubuntu?
[05:58] <crimsun> DocUb: I am
[05:59] <DocUb> where is the screen shot at?
[05:59] <DocUb> for 4.2.1
[05:59] <crimsun> DocUb: see os-works?
[05:59] <DocUb> ?
[05:59] <jUgo> E0x, hey =)
[05:59] <DocUb> in Menu?
[05:59] <bretzel> ? - What xfce has better than gnome ?
[05:59] <crimsun> DocUb: what precisely are you asking?
[06:00] <prego> bretzel, what I really like is the clear-looks theme; specially the latest Metacity border
[06:00] <DocUb> I need to take a screen shot of my desktop to show my friend on a site, so he can see a good view of what xfce is done my hand made design
[06:00] <thoreauputic> bretzel: better performance
[06:00] <bretzel> prego: But gnome have very nice thin borders and look and feel than KDE tho :-)
[06:00] <thoreauputic> bretzel: especially on older hardware, xfce is quicker
[06:01] <bretzel> yes, I agree for slower systems
[06:01] <prego> thoreauputic, lower memory resources.
[06:01] <thoreauputic> prego: heh - fluxbox for me !
[06:01] <thoreauputic> :)
[06:01] <crimsun> DocUb: pull a screenshot from http://os-works.com
[06:01] <prego> bretzel, I usually resize windows with ALT+Button3, so I dont really care about borders
[06:02] <bretzel> For the configurability, is xfce easy to setup as we want ?
[06:02] <DocUb> OK cool :) but do you know where the option is on xfce?
[06:02] <prego> bretzel, sorry: alt+button2 in Metacity
[06:02] <bretzel> hehehe
[06:02] <juliusk> Greets
[06:02] <crimsun> DocUb: not off the top of my head, no.  Use imagemagick's ,,import''.
[06:02] <LeeJunFan> CarlK: I got xforwarding to work with ssh - I had to install xbase-clients :)
[06:03] <bretzel> In synaptic: I just need to search for xfce I guess ?
[06:03] <prego> bretzel, XFce is very configurable, What I dislike is the file manager. It is slower than Nautilus IMHO (I liked more the old GTK-1 Xfce file manager)
[06:03] <thoreauputic> rox filer
[06:03] <DocUb> thanks for the help crimsun, it's in the Xfce4 AppFinder
[06:03] <prego> bretzel, some guys over there use other file managers like ROX with XFCE
[06:03] <crimsun> we're in the process of merging xfce 4.2.1.1 into Hoary.
[06:03] <bretzel> prego: but we can run nautilus in xcfe ...isn;t it ?
[06:03] <ex0rt> Hey, having trouble installing the latest Nvidia drivers - think anyone could help?
[06:04] <thoreauputic> bretzel: sure
[06:04] <deFrysk> crimsun, thats cool :)
[06:04] <prego> bretzel, sure, but then what is the point?, it does not longer reduce the amount of RAM so much...
[06:04] <__GNAM__> auauau
[06:04] <deFrysk> bretzel, you can also activete gnome/kde services in xfce4
[06:04] <prego> crimsun, expect the filemanager has improved ;-)
[06:04] <__GNAM__> will have hoary with no working nvidia drivers
[06:04] <bretzel> ex0rt: hmmm, I've juste rebooted from updating all stuff including nvidia, and it works fine
[06:05] <__GNAM__> no changes on the last minute!
[06:05] <crimsun> prego: xffm?  I use rox-filer.
[06:05] <bretzel> deFrysk: how we do that in XFce ?
[06:05] <DocUb> ex0rt: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:05] <deFrysk> Brent, in the settings of xfce4
[06:05] <prego> crimsun, I have to evaluate that XFCE+ROX approach... he he
[06:05] <ex0rt> Well, I have obtained the latest .sh but when I run it, I recieve an error regarding kernel headers?
[06:05] <deFrysk> bretzel, I mean
[06:06] <ex0rt> DocUb: Thanks, I'll take a look
[06:06] <randabis> heh, the new kde suits me well
[06:06] <DocUb> np bud
[06:06] <thoreauputic> ex0rt: you need to install headers exactly matching your kernel
[06:06] <bretzel> deFrysk: you mean ... ? ( I guess simply running kde/gnome apps ? )
[06:07] <dockane> how does it come that this cahn
[06:07] <xavier_> -
[06:07] <juliusk> What are the improvements on the new nvidia drivers?
[06:07] <juliusk> do you think I will notice any difference with my old geforce2mx?
[06:08] <dockane> channel helps very fast and reliable for ubuntu and all you get from the debian channel is rtfm (for debian) ..
[06:08] <GNAM> no update on the last minute, or nothing will work.
[06:08] <GNAM> it's better to delay the release
[06:08] <crimsun> juliusk: read the Release Highlights here: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-7167.html
[06:08] <juliusk> crimsun: thanks ;)
[06:08] <DocUb> it's always good to have the update notifier installed
[06:08] <honzi> Where I can find the middle commander in Ubuntu?
[06:09] <crimsun> honzi: 'mc' in universee
[06:09] <dockane> honzi, do you mean midnight commander ?
[06:09] <crimsun> -e
[06:09] <GNAM> but they are march 11 drivers!
[06:09] <GNAM> 20 days ago!
[06:09] <honzi> sorry :)
[06:09] <honzi> yep
[06:09] <ex0rt> thoreauputic: Where will I be able to find these headers?
[06:09] <GNAM> 20 days without testing?
[06:10] <membreya> thoreauputic: LTNS buddy :)
[06:10] <thoreauputic> ex0rt: in synaptic, or quicker, do apt-cache search linux-headers
[06:10] <ex0rt> Thanks.
[06:10] <spear-> hi there !
[06:10] <prego> DocUb, how do I enable update notifier? For a given user it does not appear...
[06:10] <honzi> dockane: So, where? Midnight commander.
[06:10] <thoreauputic> membreya: heh - I've been wrestling with audacity and streams :)
[06:10] <juliusk> I guess I'll see no difference :P I want  a better video card!!
[06:10] <spear-> midnight commander is in the universal apt sources : mc
[06:10] <Dalkus> Before I upgrade to hoary should I remove my nvidia drivers? Or after the upgrade?
[06:11] <dockane> honzi, apt-get cache search midnight
[06:11] <spear-> apt-get install mc
[06:11] <dockane> honzi, sudo of coursew
[06:11] <thoreauputic> ex0rt: uname -r will tell you which one to look for
[06:11] <spear-> for midnight commander
[06:11] <UBabe> Anyone remember what the URL is for the Unofficial Ubuntu guide??
[06:11] <UBabe> the one with the terminal commands?
[06:11] <icarus> juliusk:  i get an extra 300 fps with the new driver
[06:11] <honzi> sudo? Thaths why It doesnt works:)
[06:11] <membreya> UBabe: www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:12] <thoreauputic> dockane: that's apt-cache search ;)
[06:12] <dockane> thoreauputic, sorry yes : tried it and just wanted to correct me ;)
[06:12] <bretzel> ] I have an important question: If I add a new SATA hard drive, and I have already two three IDE drives, is the current ubuntu kernel will detect the sata DRIVE ?
[06:13] <spear-> i' ve got a big network problem on a server, used as a gateway to internet ... does anybody here use an ubuntu gateway with some stations in static ip ?
[06:13] <ex0rt> thoreauputic: Thanks a lot, seems to have work. Now just have to try and install the driver again. Thanks!
[06:13] <thoreauputic> no worries :)
[06:13] <juliusk> icarus: wow
[06:14] <juliusk> gonna try them then... :P
[06:14] <Nakah> I need some help please
[06:14] <dockane> anybody inhere who knows how to enable the "third -scroll- button" on a thinkpad t21 ?
[06:14] <bretzel> Have a problem trying to install xfce4 : : xfwm4 (>=4.2.1-1) but 4.0.6-1 is to be installed
[06:14] <Nakah> I have troubles with Xorg et framebuffer
[06:15] <willem> Can i just add some debian sources to my list?
[06:15] <thoreauputic> willem: no, don't
[06:15] <willem> but i miss some software...
[06:15] <willem> xawtv
[06:15] <willem> mplayer
[06:15] <spear-> if you add universal sources, you'll have most sources
[06:15] <dockane> willem, somebody told thats "can" destroy packets
[06:15] <Nakah> when I'm using the framebuffer and Xorg starts, the monitor's geometry is deformed
[06:15] <willem> ok
[06:15] <thoreauputic> willem: unless you know *exactly * what you are doing
[06:15] <willem> i dont
[06:16] <willem> are the standard sources good enough?
[06:16] <thoreauputic> willem: read ubuntuguide.org
[06:16] <willem> because i miss some software...
[06:16] <willem> ok tank you
[06:16] <thoreauputic> willem: see above
[06:16] <Nakah> but when I'm disabling the framebuffer support in the kernel the monitor's geometry is perfect
[06:16] <willem> universal sources! alright!
[06:16] <solidape> how do i change refresh rate? the reconfigure program only allows 60Hz @1280*1024 and i know my screen can do better.....
[06:17] <Dalkus> does vim have a find and replace function?
[06:17] <thoreauputic> willem: for mplayer you need Marillat's repositories
[06:17] <thoreauputic> willem: it's all in the guide
[06:17] <spear-> so, nobody's under a working ubuntu-gateway ?
[06:18] <thoreauputic> willem: see also http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:18] <willem> ok
[06:18] <willem> thank you very much
[06:19] <hohlraum> anyone know if bugs 6222 and 7494 will be fixed for the final?
[06:19] <solidape> how do i change refresh rate? the reconfigure program only allows 60Hz @1280*1024 and i know my screen can do better.....
[06:19] <solidape> the xprg.conf file says nothng about refresh rates as far as i can see
[06:20] <thoreauputic> solidape: you might need to edit your xorg.conf
[06:20] <thoreauputic> horizontal and vertical
[06:20] <solidape> so i thought... can't find anything about refresh rates at all
[06:20] <Nakah> nobody can help me ?
[06:21] <hohlraum> xorg maxs the refresh rates to 85 i believe, regardless of how high your monitor can go.
[06:21] <[nrx] > blasphemey
[06:21] <hohlraum> you gotta add modelines to get any better.
[06:21] <spear-> blasphemey ?
[06:21] <solidape> where do i add these modelines exactly in the file
[06:22] <thoreauputic> solidape: look for  HorizSync and  VertRefres
[06:22] <hohlraum> check out xorgs website.. they have info in there about how to do it.. pretty easy actually.  there are tools out there for generating them as well.
[06:22] <bretzel> Hey, WOW! that XFCE is really clean and cute! and yes it doesn't eats that much RAM as gnome and especially KDE do :-)
[06:22] <juliusk> how do I know what's the memory usage??
[06:22] <hohlraum> thoreauputic: it isn't gunna matter if he has H and V set.  xorg is very conservative with its refresh settings.
[06:23] <Twiggy> Anybody know if the latest hoary packages are built with --as-needed for deps?
[06:23] <thoreauputic> hohlraum: ? so you can't override it?
[06:23] <hohlraum> yes.. just like i said.. with modelines.
[06:23] <juliusk> what's a modeline? :$
[06:23] <randabis> bretzel: yeah it's nice. I use it on my slow laptop. KDE on this machine
[06:23] <solidape> what's the url to xorgs site?
[06:23] <juliusk> x.org
[06:23] <juliusk> I guess
[06:23] <hohlraum> guess ;) hehe.
[06:23] <spear-> why do people remain connected in the chatroom if they're not effectively present ???
[06:23] <solidape> lol...
[06:24] <thoreauputic> hohlraum: ah, sorry - missed yor post :)
[06:24] <^DM> i have a q then spear
[06:24] <kbrede> spear-, because we are working and we pop in and out
[06:24] <icarus> spear:  they're learning...
[06:24] <prego> spear-, the answer my friend... is blowing in the wind....
[06:24] <spear-> :)
[06:24] <spear-> DM : a question ?
[06:24] <bretzel> randabis: but how to add/or access application menu (button ? ) in the panel ? I searched in xfce config gui but no hints
[06:24] <thoreauputic> spear-: because they are permanently attached to Ubuntu by an umbilical cord ;)
[06:25] <randabis> bretzel: you have to add it to the panel
[06:25] <E0x> thoreauputic thx
[06:25] <prego> bretzel, right button on menus and on panel
[06:25] <hohlraum> http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/XFree86-Video-Timings-HOWTO/obsolete.html
[06:25] <randabis> bretzel: otherwise you can access it by right-clicking anywhere on the desktop
[06:25] <prego> thoreauputic, Oh, the AKA umbuntu fork
[06:25] <randabis> prego: it is not a fork
[06:25] <^DM> today i install ubuntu on my laptop, while it was connected to a windows network with an internet connection,
[06:26] <prego> randabis, it is a joke
[06:26] <randabis> prego: ah, I misunderstood
[06:26] <spear-> i didn' t psot on the official forum or on the mailing list (the official english one) ... are these very efficient t?
[06:26] <^DM> now im at home i cant get the dhcp to autoconfig
[06:26] <bretzel> randabis: I have no reactions with any button on the desktop ---
[06:26] <mikep> Theresa Schiavo has passed away.
[06:26] <juliusk> note to self: never ever do a /list in this server :S
[06:26] <randabis> mikep: yeah, finally
[06:27] <thoreauputic> spear-: the mailing lit is very high traffic
[06:27] <prego> bretzel, perhaps your startxfce script is broken
[06:27] <zerok> hello all
[06:27] <spear-> thets what i' ve read
[06:27] <thoreauputic> spear-: good chance of finding help there
[06:27] <spear-> , but very very efficient ?
[06:27] <juliusk> Im gonna reboot to see if the new kenel, restricted modules and nvidia drivers work properly :P
[06:27] <juliusk> brb
[06:27] <zerok> exit
[06:27] <spear-> sorry, by efficient i meant high traffic ?
[06:27] <nex6> i need to switch moniters on a PC, i am going to go from a crt to an LCD. i am assuming i need to run dpkg-reconfigure
[06:27] <thoreauputic> spear-: as I said, good chance of help
[06:27] <spear-> very high
[06:27] <nex6> whats the x pack name in warty?
[06:28] <randabis> spear-: yes, they are both high traffic
[06:28] <bretzel> Unless I run nautilus, but it is the nautilus usual stuff: yes maybe broken startscripts... I couldn;t install xfce4 because xfwm4.2.1 is not there... I have installed 4.0.xx
[06:28] <^DM> how do i get ubuntu to connect to the internet through my network?
[06:28] <spear-> what is your network composed of ?
[06:29] <spear-> a server, a modem (or router) to internet ... ?
[06:29] <^DM> my desktop and laptop atm
[06:29] <nex6> whats the x package name in warty?
[06:29] <nex6> typo
[06:29] <UBabe> anyone know how i can install plugins for rhythmbox?
[06:29] <bretzel> -- otherwize, then xfce is very cool! :-)
[06:29] <thoreauputic> nex6: xserver-xfree86
[06:29] <UBabe> apparently mp3's arent supported?!
[06:29] <spear-> you want your stations to communicate ?
[06:29] <^DM> it worked today when i was at work
[06:29] <spear-> or use these as a gateway ?
[06:30] <thoreauputic> UBabe: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:30] <randabis> UBabe: you need to check this out: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:30] <spear-> (i meant use one as a gateway)
[06:30] <^DM> yeah the desktop
[06:30] <nex6> thoreauputic thanks
[06:30] <spear-> so the desktop is running ... what OS ?
[06:30] <Jamminpotato> how do iprint to a network printer in linux?
[06:31] <supernova> hi to all
[06:31] <spear-> hi ;)
[06:31] <Myrtti> how important is the GStreamer to the functions of Gnome and Ubuntu? Can it be replaced?
[06:31] <^DM> xp :(
[06:31] <supernova> can i ask something?
[06:31] <^DM> and ubuntu
[06:31] <spear-> that's ok eh !
[06:31] <Myrtti> supernova: you just did
[06:31] <Servo888> I need some help with a kernel panic. I built a new kernel, and am trying to boot it. But I get a kernel panic saying that it can't mount hde1, hde1 is on my promise ata133 controller card, I've compiled it's driver into the kernel. I took a screen shot of the problem: http://www.garkei.com/vadim/p1110099.jpg | maybe that will help shed some light
[06:31] <spear-> and what do you want that network to do ?
[06:31] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: xine and mpg321 and sox and oggenc etc work fine
[06:31] <supernova> how can i mount hdd part. without root permissions?
[06:32] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: in fact I have more luck with those
[06:32] <spear-> i mean what's your objective ? Just try to network between the stations, use one as a gateway, share files, print ;.. ????
[06:32] <Jamminpotato> how do i setup a CUPS server?
[06:32] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: I managed to pin down the problem I'm having with certain mp3's to a problem in GStreamer
[06:32] <freet> supernova: u can't
[06:32] <supernova> sorry i know it
[06:32] <^DM> i just want a connection to the laptop which runs ubuntu i(it has a winmodem and i failed badly at building drivers)
[06:32] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: there's ogg123 as well...
[06:32] <randabis> supernova: you can use sudo mount
[06:32] <supernova> how can i access the part. without root perm.
[06:32] <supernova> ?
[06:33] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: oggs are good and fine, but my Creative Muvo can't playback them
[06:33] <nozzy> Hi all
[06:33] <freet> supernova: don't think thats possible
[06:33] <julius_> back
[06:33] <julius_> :P
[06:33] <freet> supernova: because u first have to mount it :)
[06:33] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: I don't know if rhythmbox will use mpg321 or mpg123
[06:33] <supernova> i know
[06:33] <freet> supernova: is that a problem? i mean, u haven't got root password?
[06:33] <julius_> upgraded kernel and nvidia driver and everything seems to work as good as always
[06:33] <randabis> if you don't have access to the partition after you mounted it, then you did not mount it correctly
[06:34] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: but other apps will - and xine can play mp3 as well with the right codecs
[06:34] <spear-> 1st they have to be on the same network scheme, tcp/ip and some ip addresses of the same classes & netmask
[06:34] <supernova> i just wanna play my mp3's on normal user account
[06:34] <supernova> :)
[06:34] <freet> supernova: ah
[06:34] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: or vlc
[06:34] <nozzy> How do i add fonts to ubuntu (ttf fonts)
[06:34] <^DM> yes, both are 169.254.0.0
[06:34] <freet> supernova: u can do that, but u have to mount, so u need root password
[06:34] <randabis> supernova: add the partition to /etc/fstab
[06:34] <julius_> nozzy, enable universe repository and run "sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts" in a console
[06:34] <thoreauputic> nozzy: dump them in dot fonts in your home dir
[06:35] <Myrtti> oh, but it's going to be really difficult replacing gstreamer...
[06:35] <supernova> yaeh
[06:35] <thoreauputic> nozzy: ~/.fonts
[06:35] <Myrtti> oh funk
[06:35] <nozzy> julius_: thnx
[06:35] <UBabe> thats where im stuffed, i cant find the PowerPC Universe and Multiverse repositories :P
[06:35] <UBabe> any clues anyone?
[06:35] <julius_> :D
[06:35] <freet> supernova: type this in /etc/fstab : /dev/hdaX /mnt umask = 0 0 0
[06:35] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: do you need to replace it? I just installed other stuff in addition
[06:35] <freet> supernova: with X the number of the partitio
[06:35] <randabis> UBabe: you need to check this out: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:35] <Myrtti> uuuuuuu
[06:35] <supernova> ok
[06:36] <thoreauputic> UBabe: you just uncomment them in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:37] <Jamminpotato> i need some help....i have addedthe universe repository, but i still cant find gstream08.mad and i dont knwo why
[06:37] <UBabe> but theyre different as im not using a x86 machine
[06:37] <tritium> gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:37] <^DM> the laptop and desktop network fine, i just want to know if there is something i have to do to let ubuntu know how to connect to the internet
[06:37] <UBabe> i remember someone gave it to me before
[06:37] <thoreauputic> UBabe: I have an iBook - it's the same
[06:37] <randabis> UBabe: I believe they are the same
[06:37] <spear-> you use a classical modem ?
[06:38] <thoreauputic> UBabe: you just add the words in the file, or uncomment the lines
[06:38] <spear-> i mean no dsl modem ?
[06:38] <julius_> I had to install gstreamer0.8-plugins to be able to play mp3s
[06:38] <tritium> julius_, that's right
[06:38] <^DM> yes dial-up, what shold the network proxy configuration be?
[06:38] <thoreauputic> julius_: that's odd
[06:39] <Myrtti> /me spanks Bloody|RLC till blood trickles down his back
[06:39] <thoreauputic> julius_: gstreamer0.8-mad was enough here
[06:39] <julius_> thoreauputic: what's the difference with gstreamer0.8-plugins?
[06:39] <Myrtti> this really sucks, you know
[06:39] <tritium> julius_, it depends on the -mad plugin, so it will work
[06:40] <AlienDuce> hello
[06:40] <Myrtti> all the mp3's that I've had with hard labour done good and decent id3-tags, wont show up in Rhythmbox
[06:40] <tritium> julius_, you may also not have had the -esd, or other plugins you needed
[06:40] <AlienDuce> please need help
[06:40] <thoreauputic> julius_: I guess they just hook in a bunch of other functions - I haven't looked closely: but I installed them "just in case" ;-)
[06:40] <tritium> Myrtti, sounds like you also need gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:40] <AlienDuce> can u help me anybody?
[06:40] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: rhythmbox has .... issues
[06:41] <topyli> AlienDuce: nobody can help unless you tell us what your problemm is
[06:41] <Jamminpotato> i cant even get mp3 palyback because i cant get it to find the gstreamer08.mad package
[06:41] <Myrtti> tritium: I can play mp3's on it, some just wont show up there
[06:41] <tritium> Jamminpotato, you're spelling it wrong
[06:41] <Jamminpotato> how is it
[06:41] <Jamminpotato> spelled?
[06:41] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: any suggestions on a better player? XMMS won't work either
[06:41] <tritium> Myrtti, did you install gstreamer0.8-mad?
[06:42] <julius_> thoreauputic, tritium, thx for the info :P
[06:42] <Hansiman> hey, I can't seem to boot from CD before GRUB loads, any suggestions?
[06:42] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: utf - 8 issues maybe?
[06:42] <AlienDuce> i want to install ubuntu but my pc can't boot with cdrom
[06:42] <Hansiman> and yes, the boot-sequence is correct ;)
[06:42] <solidape> is there a stabe dc++ for linux?
[06:42] <Jamminpotato> im searching for gstream nad its turning up the gstreamer sutuff but i cant find mad
[06:42] <Myrtti> tritium: I have them all
[06:42] <tritium> Jamminpotato, it's in universe.  Do you have that enabled?
[06:42] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: could be, but I'm at loss what to do with that either
[06:42] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: xmms doesn't work either? Do you have mpg321 or mpg123 ?
[06:42] <icarus> Hansiman: change bios boot order to load cdrom before hdd
[06:42] <tritium> Myrtti, have you run gst-register-0.8 ?
[06:42] <tritium> That can help sometimes.
[06:42] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: yes
[06:43] <thoreauputic> OK
[06:43] <Hansiman> icarus: it is before
[06:43] <Jamminpotato> tritium: yes univrse is on and enabled
[06:43] <Jamminpotato> tritium: im manually downloading jut that package
[06:43] <tritium> Jamminpotato, have you done an apt-get update ?
[06:43] <Hansiman> icarus: I've even tried only having the CD as boot device
[06:43] <tritium> oh, you've found it?
[06:43] <Hansiman> but still GRUB comes first
[06:43] <thoreauputic> tritium: sounds more like a character encoding issue of some kind ( re Myrtti )
[06:43] <tritium> Jamminpotato, you don't need to do that
[06:43] <AlienDuce> i can't install it??
[06:43] <tritium> thoreauputic, maybe so...
[06:44] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: what did you use to do your tags?
[06:44] <Myrtti> ok, XMMS used to work
[06:44] <prego> AlienDuce, aren't there boot disk images??
[06:44] <Myrtti> now it doesn't even start
[06:44] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: windows application called CD'n'Go
[06:44] <Jamminpotato> tritium: i enabled universe did the refresh thing, nothingshowed up...i then did hte upgrade process from warty to hoary and nothing happened then
[06:44] <Myrtti> back then when I used Windows
[06:45] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: oh. i see....
[06:45] <spear-> DM : http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Network-Install-HOWTO.html
[06:45] <tritium> Jamminpotato, if you upgraded to Hoary, many packages would have been updated
[06:45] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: I think your problem could be right there
[06:45] <solidape> is there a way to run dc++ from linux?
[06:45] <^DM> thanks spear-
[06:45] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: but the same mp3's worked last week
[06:45] <Myrtti> and now XMMS wont start
[06:46] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: I had one (1) file in my home dir that made the whole system stop sound wise
[06:46] <tritium> Jamminpotato, did that happen?
[06:46] <Jamminpotato> tritium: yes
[06:46] <Jamminpotato> tritium: but it still isnt showing mad
[06:46] <icarus> Hansiman:  did you disable search for other boot devices as well?  just use the cd as the first boot device?
[06:46] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: try looking for files with %20 and such in them ( that was what stuffed mine up)
[06:47] <icarus> or perhaps a different bootable cd...
[06:47] <tritium> Jamminpotato, the upgrade downloaded/installed many packages?
[06:47] <spear-> am sorry, it would be too long to explain DM, in a busy chatroom
[06:47] <Hansiman> icarus: how do I disable search for other boot devices?
[06:47] <Jamminpotato> tritium:yes it did
[06:47] <Hansiman> icarus: I've tried the Ubuntu cd, as well as my Windows XP cd
[06:47] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: when I deleted that file, everything came back to life - also I suggest making another user and seeing if that user can play mp3
[06:47] <spear-> so i' m giving you the link :|
[06:48] <Jamminpotato> tritium: i figured it out
[06:48] <tritium> Jamminpotato, please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list on pastebin
[06:48] <Hansiman> but the GRUB comes first yet again ;)
[06:48] <UBabe> gtg bbs...
[06:48] <tritium> Jamminpotato, what was the problem?
[06:48] <Jamminpotato> tritium: i had the universe set as binary and i changed it to source now it works
[06:48] <julius_> Hey guys I have a question. I have an old laption.. I think it's like 300 Mhz and 64 mb ram. DO you think it can handle ubuntu?
[06:48] <tritium> Jamminpotato, no, that's not it
[06:48] <julius_> laptop*
[06:48] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: of course that test user needs to be in the right groups etc
[06:48] <Jamminpotato> tritium: its working now
[06:48] <icarus> Hansiman:  it depends on your bios.  my phoenix bios has an option in boot devices to enable\disable other boot devices.
[06:48] <topyli> AlienDuce: get a debian woody net install CD. install minimum base system. upgrade to ubuntu hoary.
[06:48] <Myrtti> of course
[06:48] <tritium> Jamminpotato, please paste your sources.list so I can see it
[06:48] <Hansiman> julius_: it should, I have 266MhZ and 32mb ram here ^^
[06:48] <Myrtti> to the pastebin
[06:48] <Myrtti> or #flood
[06:48] <topyli> AlienDuce: i mean a floppy, not CD :)
[06:48] <kent> should the casefan blow air in to the case or out of the case?  (Ive had problems with heat so I bought a new cpufan and a casefan).
[06:48] <tritium> Jamminpotato, deb-src is for source packages
[06:49] <Hansiman> icarus: doesn't seem to be anything like that here :/
[06:49] <Jamminpotato> tritium: il paste it but its working now =/
[06:49] <[nrx] > kent, there will be an air direction and mounting instructions with the fan
[06:49] <tritium> Jamminpotato, you need to install the binary package, not the source package
[06:49] <mjr> julius_, it can, though gnome may be sluggish for you; might be better to use xfce on that
[06:49] <julius_> Hansiman: cool. I ask because I have 256mb ram here and it seems to use most of the memory .. is there any minimal install option in hoary?
[06:49] <Hansiman> yeah, gnome is very slow here :p
[06:50] <Hansiman> julius_: that stuff...I don't know much about, I'm a noob myself ;)
[06:50] <Jamminpotato> tritium: ill pm it to you so as not to flood hte channel
[06:50] <julius_> hansiman: :P
[06:50] <tritium> ok
[06:50] <tritium> Jamminpotato, but I recommended pastebin
[06:50] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: when my sound stopped, I looked for all sorts of config issues - but it turned out to be one stupid mp3 file with a bad name
[06:50] <[nrx] > Hansiman, xfce4 or kubuntu
[06:50] <mjr> julius_, it's a sign of a bad OS if lots of memory is unused ;) But yeah, the memory is the thing likely to make gnome sluggish.
[06:51] <Hansiman> on this crappy machine...nothing be worth it :p
[06:51] <kent> [nrx] , no there wasn't :(   I know how to connect the fancable etc, the only problem is that i dont know which direction to the air should go for optimal cooling. I thought perhaps there was some kind of easy solution, like "this way is the right way" ;(
[06:51] <Hansiman> this is just a machine used for irc anyway
[06:51] <mjr> (and for a 32 meg machine, I'd recommend turning it into an X terminal ;)
[06:51] <freet> thoreauputic: that sux :)
[06:51] <[nrx] > kent, depends on your psu. If you're psu has intake underneath it for air, mount the case fan to suck air into the case.. otherwise, blow out :)
[06:52] <Hansiman> but since I can't get my main computer to work, it's been used a lot lately
[06:52] <nozzy> I'm running with 512Mb and ubuntu is using every mb of it (and so dous any distro)
[06:52] <Hansiman> and I'm addicted to supertux >_<
[06:52] <julius_> mjr, Ill try then to install it on my laptop :P I really LOVE ubuntu, I'm the only one in my house using linux.. trying to spread it already :P
[06:52] <thoreauputic> freet: well, yes but at least I found the problem - now I'm very picky about file names ;-)
[06:52] <DocUb> Julius: same here, I am the only one out of 5 people using linux, rest are using winblows
[06:52] <freet> hey, just a silly question, like ubuntu is shipped with gnome, is kde fulle supported?
[06:52] <bronson> I just upgraded my Hoary... Now both Ephy and Firefox crash when I visit Anandtech.
[06:53] <freet> thoreauputic: what was wrong with it?
[06:53] <bronson> Is this happening for anyone else?
[06:53] <thoreauputic> freet: /join #kubuntu
[06:53] <thoreauputic> freet: it had %20 stuff in it
[06:53] <DocUb> good stuff :)
[06:53] <freet> thoreauputic: the Kde Ubuntu User Group? :d
[06:53] <[nrx] > DocUb, running Xfce4, too
[06:53] <[nrx] > :)
[06:53] <DocUb> :-D
[06:54] <thoreauputic> freet: kubuntu is ubuntu with kde
[06:54] <julius_> is the latest version of XFCE in the repositories?
[06:54] <kent> [nrx] , I have an intake for air both on the bottom of the psu and on the back of it.  So should i blow in then?  (It seems to work good right now (My amd is around 45 Celcius.) and right now im blowing out. So perhaps i dont need to mind it.. ?
[06:54] <freet> thoreauputic: obviously :)
[06:54] <prego> julius_, seems that is being placed right now. not yet fully there
[06:54] <DocUb> lol
[06:54] <thoreauputic> freet: you can also apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:54] <[nrx] > kent, probably be okay then.. but what are you using to monitor the temp?
[06:54] <osity> What do i do if i just want to install terminal portion of ubuntu
[06:54] <DocUb> er wrong window
[06:55] <julius_> freet: I've installed kubuntu-desktop package in hoary and it installed the whole KDE 3.4. It works OK, but don't expect it to be as "clean & simple" as ubuntu with gnome is :P
[06:55] <thoreauputic> freet: yeah, the K is a dead giveway, hey?
[06:55] <kotatsu> does the hoary live CD include f-spot?
[06:55] <freet> julius_: how do you mean?
[06:55] <kotatsu> probably not, eh? =\
[06:55] <freet> thoreauputic: kinda :p
[06:55] <bronson> Moz crashes too.  Konq works fine.
[06:55] <bronson> Can anyone using a recent hoary visit http://anandtech.com and tell me if it's unique to me?
[06:55] <prego> julius_, clean & simple & KDE should not be at the same sentence. (yes, this is a flame ;-P)
[06:55] <bronson> Moz-based browser should crash, all others work fine.
[06:55] <thoreauputic> freet: I'm surprised it isn't KNU instead of GNU as well ;-)
[06:56] <kent> [nrx] , lmsensors.  I dont know if its a good tool or not, but I actually seems to have configured it right. Since it seems to work.  I can reboot and check with bios aswell, but lmsensors always worked before.. and a new fan dont change the settings for lmsensors.. i hope ;)
[06:56] <freet> thoreauputic: lol :D
[06:56] <thoreauputic> KNU/Linux !
[06:56] <freet> Klinux!
[06:56] <thoreauputic> :D
[06:56] <julius_> freet: ubuntu comes with a selection of 'basic' applications that most users may need, letting them customize their installations and install their apps via apt-get :P ANyway, I get LOST in kde apps menu , to give you an idea :P
[06:56] <[nrx] > kent, it wont change the settings.. there's an onboard chip that does all that for you :)
[06:56] <bretzel> goodness .. XFCE is so NICE, fast, clean, low res hungry ... I LOVE IT!8-)
[06:56] <[nrx] > bretzel, great, innit? :)
[06:56] <julius_> freet: what I mean is, that kde will install some apps that you may need, and you will see in your menus both kde & gnome apps, so your menus will be packed :P
[06:57] <freet> julius_: but it doesn't give errors or crashes u shouldnt get?
[06:57] <mjr> prego, no, it's a flame_bait_ ;)
[06:57] <bretzel> nrx: ;)
[06:57] <nowinek> witam
[06:57] <prego> anandtech works fine in my epiphany
[06:57] <nowinek> jest moze ktos mowiacy po polsku?
[06:57] <julius_> freet: no errors at all... I've only had some problems with the audio, but I've chosen "ESD" as the sound thing in the control center and all sounds works OK.
[06:57] <Taleel> bronson: my Firefox displays the site just fine (using adzapper to filter ads, though)
[06:58] <thoreauputic> nowinek: sorry, this is an english channel
[06:58] <freet> julius_: damn, serious problems? :)
[06:58] <bronson> Taleel: how long ago did you last apt-get upgrade?
[06:58] <bretzel> I run KDEvelop, nautilus; gaim; konqueror; terms, and: 300MB / 885 MB eaten only !
[06:58] <Taleel> bronson: half an hour, maybe
[06:58] <bronson> hm.  weird.
[06:58] <bronson> It may be an ad.
[06:58] <freet> julius_: cause i just swapped from Debian because my sound didnt work
[06:58] <DarkPurpose> can anyone help me with dialup problems with 4.10?? couldn't get it confg'd right
[06:58] <Taleel> bronson: I just finished dist-upgrading to hoary an hour ago :)
[06:58] <julius_> freet: I haven't got any errors so far. Just when updated the other day, my kicker got resetted... and no, no serious problems with kde, just the sound thing, I still don't understand all the ALSA, ESD, OSS, ARTS, GSTREAMER, etc :p
[06:59] <freet> julius_: me neither
[06:59] <[nrx] > gonna fire up the lappy.. bbiaf.
[06:59] <Taleel> bronson: have you tried using Flashblock to filter out all that Flash crap?
[06:59] <freet> julius_: on debian, i just gave up on it
[06:59] <nowinek> thoreauputic: thx, and I have question, where is polish chanel for ubuntu?
[06:59] <bronson> Taleel: nope.  Not blocking anything.
[07:00] <bronson> Taleel: this is what you're using  http://www.adzapper.net/  ?
[07:00] <julius_> freet: I was going to install arts (from what I know, gnome uses ESD and kde uses ARTS), but I wasnt sure if there would be any problem, so I just chose esd as sound daemon and it works smoothly
[07:00] <thoreauputic> nowinek: I don't know if there is one - there's a ubuntu-fr and ubuntu-es - don't know for polish
[07:00] <freet> julius_: went to all the forums, doing whatever they told me too, ended up with like 100 installed packages and still no sound
[07:00] <julius_> freet: I find kde faster than gnome on my come, and I like all the eye-candy :P
[07:00] <freet> julius_: then thats all i need :)
[07:00] <freet> julius_: me too!
[07:00] <spear-> bye !
[07:00] <nowinek> ok, thx
[07:01] <freet> julius_: i consider gnome too, how to say, simplified maybe?
[07:01] <Taleel> bronson: nope, http://adzapper.sourceforge.net/
[07:01] <Taleel> bronson: it's a plugin for the Squid proxy
[07:01] <thoreauputic> freet: well, you have the choice :)
[07:01] <freet> julius_: one last question; how large is the kubuntu-desktop package?
[07:01] <bronson> got it.
[07:01] <freet> thoreauputic: yeah, thanks for telling me
[07:01] <DarkPurpose> also kde lover
[07:01] <julius_> freet: yeah, gnome is simplier and easier to use. kDE has got a lots of options "Just there".. I mean, it's cool to have lots of options, but I feel invaded sometimes. Gnome is better in that aspect. I just like plastik theme :P and the fact that inactive tabs have a hover effect :P
[07:02] <freet> thoreauputic: i was about to get packages and compile it all :)
[07:02] <freet> julius_: hehe :p
[07:02] <julius_> freet: kubuntu-desktop is a meta-package, I think it downloads 70~mb and uses like 200
[07:02] <freet> 70 mb, damn ! :d
[07:02] <thoreauputic> freet: oh dear - gentoo refugee, are you? <j/k>
[07:02] <freet> julius_: i'm on smallband u see, till tommorow
[07:03] <freet> thoreauputic: what ya mean? :) the compiling part? :d
[07:03] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[07:03] <DarkPurpose> is there a #kubuntu channel?
[07:03] <freet> jup
[07:03] <crimsun> DarkPurpose: yes.
[07:03] <nowinek> thoreauputic: ubuntu have Wine?
[07:03] <freet> thoreauputic: to be honest, haven't tried gentoo yet
[07:03] <DarkPurpose> tnx crimsun
[07:03] <julius_> freet: kde works very well in ubuntu, meaning that there are no errors or something :P but IMO it still isnt as minimalist as ubuntu default desktop is ^^ guess someday...
[07:03] <thoreauputic> nowinek: I think so, I have no use for it
[07:04] <freet> thoreauputic: think i might do it someday
[07:04] <nowinek> I try ubuntu live and I don't run windows programs?
[07:04] <nowinek> Why?
[07:05] <freet> julius_: can I swap then? i mean, can i choose for kde on login; just session type?
[07:05] <freet> julius_: i mean gnome ofc
[07:05] <thoreauputic> nowinek: because it's a different operating system ??
[07:05] <nowinek> I know
[07:05] <freet> thoreauputic: you're prolly right !!! :D
[07:05] <meuserj|work> nowinek, wine is not on the livecd
[07:05] <nowinek> but is Wine
[07:05] <thoreauputic> nowinek: ubuntu does have wine - I just checked
[07:06] <nowinek> ok
[07:06] <julius_> freet: yeah, you can login in any of them anytime
[07:06] <julius_> freet: I use different users for each one though, don't want them to mess with each other fonts configuration :P
[07:06] <bretzel> I installed wine from synaptic, with gui config, and seems to work on none-special dll loading apps. ( IE doesn;t run but I did not check why )
[07:07] <thoreauputic> even *looking* at windows apps makes me feel ill these days...
[07:08] <nowinek> thoreauputic: wine don't have only ubuntu live or ubuntu install too?
[07:08] <freet> julius_: hehe
[07:08] <freet> julius_: well, that's all i had to know
[07:08] <treke> ubuntu has wine packages
[07:08] <bretzel> afk for dinner time :)
[07:08] <treke> it isn't installed by default
[07:08] <freet> julius_: just waiting for the end of dist-upgrade now, and there i go :)
[07:08] <thoreauputic> nowinek: you can get it from the repositories using apt-get
[07:08] <freet> julius_: its awsome kde 3.4 is already included :p
[07:09] <[nrx_] > kent, what monitoring program did you use again?
[07:09] <julius_> bretzel: I guess there are lots of howtos on how to make IE working on linux. in my old warty installation I had done it using crossover office... I don't know where I got it, and I've formatted my comp so I lost that file
[07:09] <julius_> anyway firefox does its job beautifully
[07:09] <nowinek> ok, I know, thereI but no by default for install
[07:09] <thoreauputic> nowinek: it's in the "universe" repository
[07:09] <freet> bretzel: IE on linux :s :D
[07:09] <nowinek>  ok, I know, there is but no by default for install
[07:09] <freet> bretzel: those are black & white :p
[07:10] <julius_> IE on linux worked as good/bad as in windows when it comes to rendering things :P but drag&drop or wheel scroll didnt work
[07:10] <thoreauputic> nowinek: the default install is fairly slim compared to knoppix etc. yes
[07:10] <thoreauputic> nowinek: that's what apt and synaptic are for
[07:10] <chimaera> hi.
[07:10] <nowinek> oki, thx
[07:11] <nowinek> by, by
[07:11] <julius_> brb, gotta restart gdm :
[07:11] <chimaera> i found out that ubuntu replaced fam with gamin. how do they compile kde against it?
[07:12] <thoreauputic> chimaera: that's probably a question for #kubuntu
[07:12] <willem> hoho
[07:12] <chimaera> thoreauputic: well, gnome is also build against gamin..
[07:12] <thoreauputic> chimaera: there are usually a few ubuntu/kubuntu devs in that channel
[07:12] <i3dmaster> I have a question for the dhparm.conf under /etc dir. Is that just a conf or a script. I saw hdparm params in there but also the command at the end? Wondering how to use it?
[07:13] <[nrx_] > anyone know where the lm-sensors package is?
[07:13] <SeanQ> Question.
[07:13] <SeanQ> Is it
[07:13] <i3dmaster> hdparm.conf ...sorry
[07:13] <SeanQ> "grub-install /dev/hda"
[07:13] <SeanQ> or "grub-install /dev/hda1
[07:13] <thoreauputic> chimaera: umm...yes..so what is your point exactly re: KDE ?
[07:13] <universal> can someone help me with my gdesklets?
[07:13] <julius_> well the uptade works smoothly ^^
[07:13] <julius_> I gotta go
[07:13] <julius_> cya!!!
[07:14] <Riddell> chimaera: because fam is in universe and gamin isn't
[07:14] <[nrx_] > Does anyone know what repo the "lm-sensors" package is in?
[07:14] <Jamminpotato> wow i never released how not that hard this whole linux thing was
[07:14] <bobesponja> does ubuntu comes with xorg or xfree86?
[07:15] <jono> bobesponja, the new version of ubuntu will come with xorg
[07:15] <universal> thoreauputic, yeah, but smart is it though
[07:15] <Chipzz> bobesponja: warty comes with xfree, hoary comes with xorg
[07:15] <chimaera> Riddell: thoreauputic, ah, well. i'm over at kubuntu..
[07:15] <bobesponja> os thx
[07:16] <universal> someone who knows were i can get a animated bar as on a macOS?
[07:16] <thoreauputic> [nrx] : pt-cache policy lm-sensors  says it's in universe
[07:16] <thoreauputic> * apt-cahe policy
[07:16] <freet> universal: if u find one, let me knw !! :)
[07:16] <thoreauputic> bah i give up
[07:17] <universal> freet, i know that u can get one through gdesklets
[07:17] <prego> universal, there are several choices. They are the gdesklets, the KDE's karamba and one which seems to be the best one that is made by enlightenment guy (rasterman???)
[07:17] <synd> is there a way to make the terminal prompt transparent in either kde or gnome
[07:17] <universal> prego, ok, what is it called?
[07:17] <prego> synd, pseudo transparent
[07:17] <thoreauputic> synd: the prompt? Or the window?
[07:18] <synd> thoreauputic: the window
[07:18] <synd> the whole shebang
[07:18] <oly> hiya, i got a wacom tablet, it works fine but is not mapped to screen properly, there is a border around the entire screen of about 100 pixels
[07:18] <thoreauputic> synd: several ways
[07:18] <prego> universal, I don't really know the name, but I have seen it at people screenshots elsewhere
[07:18] <[nrx_] > thoreauputic, i can't get it at all
[07:18] <freet> synd: edit profile
[07:18] <oly> anyway i can chage this, or usfual config apps ?
[07:18] <universal> prego, ok, do you run gdesklets?
[07:18] <thoreauputic> [nrx] : have you done apt-get update and edited your sources?
[07:18] <synd> freet, thoreauputic: ah thanks! i found it.
[07:18] <freet> synd: np :)
[07:19] <[nrx_] > doing an update now
[07:19] <[nrx_] > :)
[07:19] <freet> prego: am i right to suggest karamba is for kde? :)
[07:19] <thoreauputic> [nrx] : that always helps the magic a bit...
[07:19] <[nrx_] > thoreauputic, heh yeah ;;p
[07:20] <universal> so i cant run Karamba on gnome?
[07:20] <synd> whoa, thats weird. i have xchat maximized and terminal over that.. the transparency goes all they way to the backdround
[07:20] <willem> always
[07:20] <prego> universal, I don't use either of them... but I know that they exist...
[07:20] <freet> universal: i dont think so
[07:21] <willem> transparency is fake
[07:21] <prego> freet, probably you are right
[07:21] <[nrx_] > synd, hence the term "transparent" huh?
[07:21] <freet> synd: indeed
[07:21] <thoreauputic> synd: that's what pseudo transparency does, yeah
[07:21] <universal> ok
[07:21] <willem> wiat for y
[07:21] <kent> Do some one know of an applet for gnome which monitors the cpu-temperature? Id rather use one from main/universe than compiling it on my own..
[07:21] <synd> it's fun to move it around : )
[07:21] <freet> kent: gkrellm?
[07:21] <prego> synd, in hoary you can do real transparency...
[07:22] <freet> prego: what do you mean with "real"?
[07:22] <thoreauputic> kent: you can use gkrellm for that and other monitoring functions
[07:22] <Hansiman> +
[07:22] <universal> its just that my shell on gdesklets pops up for one moment and then closes
[07:22] <synd> prego: ahh.. well im running kde on hoary.
[07:22] <thoreauputic> kent: if you like it of course
[07:22] <prego> freet, make a window partially transparent
[07:22] <synd> i got gnome on here too
[07:22] <freet> prego: ow, nice :)
[07:22] <universal> in the term it says IndexError: list index out of range
[07:22] <prego> synd, you have to enable composite extension
[07:22] <WeirdAl> How do I move the Gnome panels, other than by dragging them?
[07:22] <lolminator> help
[07:22] <prego> synd, and download xcompmgr and transset
[07:22] <lolminator> no root file system
[07:23] <WeirdAl> I was messing around with dragging, but my computer's so crappy that it's left the panel on the right hand side of the screen and it
[07:23] <synd> prego: alright, well do
[07:23] <WeirdAl> 's covered in launchers
[07:23] <freet> anybody knows a nice framebuffer for konsole? one that actually works? :)
[07:23] <prego> synd, and after X restart, you can use transset .5 to make a window 50% transarent
[07:23] <WeirdAl> And I ca't grab it
[07:23] <kent> thoreauputic, freet, id rahter use an panel applet than gkrellm. I find gkrellm a bit ugly :(
[07:23] <lolminator> need help
[07:23] <Arnia> xcompmgr complains I don't have a damage extension
[07:23] <prego> synd, however if you don't have render-accelerated drivers... it is pain slow
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.
[07:23] <WeirdAl> What do you mean "no root file system"?
[07:23] <Arnia> But I definitely installed it and enabled composite
[07:23] <lolminator> in partipition..
[07:23] <synd> ahh.. we'll see if i do or not : )
[07:24] <thoreauputic> kent: you realise it has hundreds of skins, including a transparent one?
[07:24] <freet> kent: well, there isn't one skin in the universe u like on gkrellm? :)
[07:24] <lolminator> I choose one and it comes and error noo rootfile system
[07:24] <WeirdAl> You choose one from what?
[07:24] <WeirdAl> Are you installing it?
[07:24] <lolminator> yes,
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> gotta love vague answers :P
[07:24] <WeirdAl> OK
[07:24] <WeirdAl> What you have to do is this:
[07:24] <lolminator> sorry I am bad at english
[07:24] <WeirdAl> Pick the partition where you want root to be
[07:24] <prego> Arnia, you are in hoary?
[07:25] <WeirdAl> Highlight it and press enter
[07:25] <kent> freet, thoreauputic, its more the fact that I like a clean desktop, sort of.  I want it as an applet in the panel, thats all :)
[07:25] <WeirdAl> You will get a list of properties for it.
[07:25] <WeirdAl> The format should be ext3
[07:25] <freet> kent: hehe
[07:25] <lolminator> brb
[07:25] <Arnia> prego: yeah
[07:25] <WeirdAl> And where it says "use as:", that's where you tell it to be root.
[07:25] <prego> Arnia, you need to enable composite extension, btw
[07:25] <freet> kent: u can hide it from all of the panels and stuff, but it looks like we can't convince u :)
[07:25] <nmsa> hello
[07:25] <WeirdAl> Alternatively, let the partitioner do it for you.
[07:26] <Arnia> prego: It is enabled. And the xorg log shows its being loaded
[07:26] <WeirdAl> Dammit... g2g. bbiab
[07:26] <freet> kent: sorry, don't know any others :)
[07:26] <freet> im away for a couple of minutes
[07:26] <lolminator> back
[07:26] <freet> enjoy yourselves :)
[07:27] <lolminator> the error message still show's
[07:27] <Arnia> prego: when I run xcompmgr I get the message "No damage extension"
[07:27] <prego> Arnia, weird
[07:27] <bretzel> back too. Question again, If I install a SATA drive, is the kernel detect it even if I already have two IDE drives ?
[07:27] <prego> Arnia, you are not in a Xnest session, do you?
[07:27] <Arnia> No, I'm not
[07:27] <lolminator> should I format the whole disk or just the partition?
[07:27] <Arnia> I'm having so many odd effects with XOrg and fglrx atm though
[07:27] <Arnia> Its beginning to concern me
[07:28] <m-screen> lolminator, i think you want just to format the partition
[07:28] <lolminator> its done
[07:28] <lolminator> ext3
[07:28] <lolminator> still no root file system
[07:28] <m-screen> lolminator, don't forget to crreate a swap partition too.
[07:28] <prego> Arnia, probably fglrx does not have damage extension or sth like that...
[07:28] <freet> lolminator: u have to attach it
[07:29] <lolminator> did
[07:29] <prego> Arnia, I don't know really...
[07:29] <m-screen> lolminator, did you configure ther mount point?
[07:29] <freet> lolminator: i mean, u have to attach it to "/"
[07:29] <prego> Arnia, try opensource drivers
[07:29] <Arnia> Unless I use composite, my screen resolution drops to 1024 by 768 but I get a virtual desktop size of the same as my selected resolution
[07:29] <freet> lolminator: that's one of te options
[07:29] <Arnia> XV doesn't work
[07:29] <lolminator> brb:p
[07:29] <thoreauputic> lolminator: umm... you formatted your *root* partition??
[07:29] <prego> Arnia, AFAIK nvidia drivers used not to allow glx and composite at the same time (I don't know if that has been solved either)
[07:30] <freet> thoreauputic: no, he's installing i think :)
[07:30] <freet> thoreauputic: he needs a root partition to install to
[07:30] <thoreauputic> freet: one can only hope....
[07:30] <Arnia> prego: Oh I know I can't use both GLX and composite. I'm just wondering why I can't use XV at all, in either state :)
[07:31] <lolminator> ahh thanks you guys I will be back if I got some more problems;)
[07:31] <prego> Arnia, do you have enough memory at your card????
[07:31] <prego> Arnia, it is not a shared-memory-laptop, is it?
[07:31] <Arnia> prego: 128Mb
[07:31] <Arnia> prego: yes, it is
[07:31] <m-screen> lolminator, good luck
[07:32] <prego> Arnia, the card gets the memory from the RAM??
[07:32] <prego> Arnia, if so, check your bios settings if you want Xv and high resolution and high display depth, you will have to transfer more memory to your card. But Something like 32Mb or 64Mb should be enough
[07:33] <Arnia> prego: Last I checked I was transfering 128Mb across... and I run at 1280 x 1024 (with composite) perfectly happily at truecolour
[07:33] <eviltwin> hi
[07:34] <eviltwin> "There is no pluggin installed to handle MP3 files": that appears to me when trying to run rythmbox in my hoary livecd... Is a joke?
[07:35] <holycow> no
[07:35] <holycow> mp3 is a patented file format
[07:35] <Bazzi> eviltwin mp3 is patented.
[07:35] <prego> Arnia, re-check, however some drivers require passing the memory used by the card as a parameter in the xorg.conf file for certain tasks (I don't think it may be the case, but who knows)
[07:35] <holycow> in order for you to play it back you need to buy a player
[07:35] <eviltwin> wtf?
[07:35] <Quinn_Storm> or install non-Free software
[07:35] <holycow> or get a free player that has payed the mp3 licencing fees to the mp3 consortium
[07:35] <cornholio> hi everybody...
[07:35] <Bazzi> eviltwin now you understand the discussion about software patents ;)
[07:35] <Arnia> prego: How would you specify that?
[07:35] <cornholio> how i can disable a module in ubuntu ?
[07:36] <eviltwin> Bazzi, i've understood before
[07:36] <cornholio> without recompile the kernel
[07:36] <holycow> if you did you wouldn't of asked the question
[07:36] <jeanjean> i got an error while loading lt-lmsensors for gdeskels
[07:36] <eviltwin> Bazzi, but i didn't now mp3 was patented
[07:36] <jeanjean> this error Invalid UTF-8 encoded text
[07:36] <holycow> obviously ubuntu did not go out and pay the consortium their extortion fees
[07:36] <Bazzi> eviltwin =)
[07:36] <prego> Arnia that is driver/hardware dependant. I don't think it is the case... and probably you would already know it if it was
[07:36] <eviltwin> i've always played mp3s in my debian box
[07:36] <eviltwin> but, well, i've added the non-free sources
[07:36] <prego> Arnia, however I'm not a ATI owner right now... :-((
[07:36] <jeanjean> i want to edit my source an repair it but what is a valid encode for it ?
[07:37] <holycow> evil, exacdtly
[07:37] <Bazzi> holycow if I ever have money, I'll donate it to ubuntu to pay the fees
[07:37] <prego> guys, I have to go. See you soon.
[07:37] <eviltwin> ok, i can't play mp3s unless i add non-free sources
[07:37] <eviltwin> am i wrong?
[07:37] <Arnia> prego: Ok, thanks for your help
[07:37] <Arnia> D'oh
[07:37] <holycow> Bazzi, *nod* cool
[07:38] <holycow> okay, what has ubuntu change vis a vis the applications menu?
[07:38] <thoreauputic> eviltwin: well, mpg321 is in universe, and AFAIK it's free software
[07:38] <holycow> i just installed crossover office and none of the apps links are autogenerated, which is fine, but i cant right click and add a launcher to the applications menu
[07:38] <holycow> why is that?
[07:39] <Jamminpotato> when ever someone says jamminpotato in xchat, their nick by the side turns tyellow, but i want their acutal text of the message to change to red
[07:39] <jan__> hi
[07:39] <Jamminpotato> hwo do i do that
[07:39] <holycow> Jamminpotato, right click in xchat properties
[07:39] <holycow> change the colours
[07:39] <thoreauputic> Jamminpotato: are you serious?
[07:39] <holycow> or settings rather
[07:39] <Jamminpotato> yes im serious
[07:40] <Jamminpotato> after i right clikc wht happend
[07:40] <Jamminpotato> *what happens
[07:40] <eviltwin> thoreauputic, but mpg321 is not in the livecd
[07:40] <thoreauputic> eviltwin: no. I guess not
[07:41] <eviltwin> the thing is i can't play mp3s at the moment :D
[07:41] <Jamminpotato> holycow: what do i do ?
[07:41] <thoreauputic> eviltwin: since Canonical don't want to be sued....
[07:41] <lolminator> thanks for all the help I got again I am now downloading updates;)
[07:41] <lolminator> bye
[07:42] <Jamminpotato> anyone want to tell me how to vchange it fro yellow nicks to red text when people say my nick
[07:42] <haselden> eviltwin:  see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/
[07:42] <fraggsta> I'm trying to help someone remove the nvidia-glx package from a hoary installation
[07:42] <fraggsta> but he's constantly getting dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting <file>" errors concerning files in /usr/X11R6/
[07:43] <thoreauputic> Jamminpotato: we're kind of busy helping people with real problems.... :)
[07:43] <fraggsta> I've tried getting him to do "dpkg -r --force-all nvidia-glx" but that doesn't help
[07:43] <eviltwin> "However, you can still play your MP3s with rhythmbox if you install gstreamer0.8-mad (you need to add the universe repository, see section 2 above)."
[07:43] <Jamminpotato> thoreauputic: this is a real problem, and it wotn take but a sec
[07:43] <fraggsta> how can I get nvidia-glx to uninstall?
[07:43] <eviltwin> does hoary livecd have that plugin?
[07:43] <holycow> Jamminpotato, i told you what to do
[07:43] <holycow> why are you asking me twice?
[07:44] <haselden> i don't believe so
[07:44] <Jamminpotato> holycow, i tried right clicking and nothing happened
[07:44] <holycow> Jamminpotato, find the preferences in the menu somewhere
[07:44] <jeanjean> does anyone know this bug: Pango-WARNING **: pango-layout.c:910: Error on line 1 char 9: Invalid UTF-8 encoded text
[07:44] <holycow> i'm not going to run you through this
[07:44] <Taleel> is xmms on the LiveCD? that should be able to play MP3s
[07:44] <Jamminpotato> well i cant find the option anywhere on the prefrences
[07:44] <eviltwin> Taleel, is not
[07:44] <StR> ;)
[07:44] <Taleel> eviltwin: bummer
[07:44] <thoreauputic> Jamminpotato: just explore the prefs - you might learn something
[07:44] <holycow> settings preferences?
[07:44] <holycow> your kidding?
[07:45] <Jamminpotato> holycow, thoreauputic, i've explored every option in settings>preferences and i cant find it
[07:45] <holycow> oh i see
[07:45] <holycow> you want us to find it for you
[07:45] <holycow> how nice
[07:45] <eviltwin> Taleel, i wish i could now what does 'bummer' mean
[07:45] <StR> I know Debian gets its names from  de ToyStory Movie..  but  what about Ubuntu, where does the warty and hoary come from?
[07:45] <eviltwin> now == know
[07:46] <Jamminpotato> holycow, i was just wondering if anyone knew where the option was
[07:46] <holycow> what makes you think i have the time to dig through a billion settings for you?
[07:46] <Jamminpotato> or if there is an option
[07:46] <thoreauputic> Jamminpotato: I'm sorry but it sounds kind of trivial to me, and the sort of thing you might have to sort out yourself
[07:46] <holycow> Jamminpotato, its in the colours section, look for one of the yellows and change it to something else
[07:46] <holycow> you can't be seriously asking this question
[07:47] <Jamminpotato> holycow, i looked in colors and i see no yellow, that was my first idea
[07:47] <Jamminpotato> thats why im askign ehre
[07:47] <Taleel> eviltwin: it means "too bad" or "that's unfortunate" or "you unlucky bastard" :-)
[07:47] <xwildph> hey ppls..  i have problems with a shipped 4.10 powerpc install of ubuntu..  it didn't set up x11..  how can i redo base configuration?
[07:47] <thoreauputic> Jamminpotato: please stop wasting the channel's time with this frivolous wish of yours
[07:47] <eviltwin> Taleel, well, NOW i'm unluckly, i'll have to play mi compact discs again
[07:48] <DocUb> Xwildph: goto Synatpic and type in x11
[07:48] <haselden> just install it eviltwin :)
[07:48] <DocUb> Synaptic is in the System directory in the menu
[07:48] <Jamminpotato> thoreauputic, i was just wondering if there is an option at all sincei couldnt find it....i appreciate the help though
[07:48] <DocUb> better yet, Administration
[07:48] <eviltwin> haselden, i have my own debian installed, but now i HAVE TO use a livecd
[07:48] <DocUb> Syetem > Administration > Synaptic
[07:49] <eviltwin> and i wondered if i could play mp3s
[07:49] <DocUb> System*
[07:49] <haselden> yeah, it's unfortunate the live cd doesn't have mp3 by default
[07:49] <Jamminpotato> yes it is
[07:49] <xwildph> Synatpic?   I don't have x11 running..  is there a dpkg command to re-do the second stage installer bit?
[07:49] <Jamminpotato> acuatlly no its not, htats what made me acutally install ubuntu, getting mp3 support
[07:50] <icarus> anyone know why totem-xine crashes if i loop my playlist?
[07:50] <holycow> haselden, it's not unfortunate, it's correct
[07:50] <haselden> i know...legally
[07:50] <haselden> it's all good
[07:50] <eviltwin> that's right
[07:50] <DocUb> hmm
[07:50] <treke> mp3 support will be fine to add in 40 or 50 years. no worries
[07:50] <eviltwin> i'm happy ubuntu only gives free software by default, like debian
[07:51] <thoreauputic> icarus: try xine-ui - it seems a bit more stable to me
[07:51] <holycow> eviltwin, me too, keeping close to debian as possible is very important to me too
[07:51] <HiddenWolf> My god. The distrowatch rankings are mad. We nog have a 1000hpd lead on Mandrake over the last month.
[07:51] <eviltwin> holycow, have u ever used debian?
[07:51] <DocUb> not sure how to run around the dpkg command
[07:52] <[nrx_] > DocUb, what you trying to do?
[07:52] <icarus> thoreauputic:  ok, thanks.
[07:52] <DocUb> Xwildph is tryin got get x11 installed
[07:52] <holycow> evilstoy,
[07:52] <DocUb> but does not x11 running and needs the dpkg command to get it going
[07:52] <holycow> sorry
[07:53] <xwildph> actually.. i've just received a set of 4.10 ppc cds..  but it didn't install right..
[07:53] <holycow> evilstoy, use it exclusively, i'm just testing ubuntu for the first time
[07:53] <thoreauputic> icarus: you can get skins for it, so if you want to change the look it isn't hard
[07:53] <xwildph> found a fix to edit the loadmodules file in initrd & re-make the initrd
[07:53] <eviltwin> holycow, like me too (i think that was for me)
[07:53] <evilstoy> hehe
[07:53] <xwildph> but the base system (second install) didn't work
[07:53] <DocUb> nrx_ got any suggestions that land?
[07:53] <Insom> hi yall
[07:53] <WeirdAl> So how can I move my Gnome panel thing without dragging it?
[07:53] <xwildph> when rebooted & i created my first user..  it tried to use apt to install lots of stuff.
[07:53] <WeirdAl> It's starting to annoy me
[07:54] <cbr> can i install ubuntu without grub?
[07:54] <xwildph> install failed with read-only partition errors.
[07:54] <DocUb> cbr yes
[07:54] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: you can't drag it?
[07:54] <xwildph> so i needto get back into that install part
[07:54] <WeirdAl> No
[07:54] <cbr> should i install 4.10 or 5.04?
[07:54] <WeirdAl> It's on the right hand side of the screen where my computer decided to deposit it
[07:54] <[nrx_] > DocUb, what are you trying to do? lol
[07:54] <DocUb> 5.04
[07:54] <DocUb> nrx_ ask xwildph
[07:54] <cbr> thought so, more up-to-date huh?
[07:54] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: have you tried running ` killall gnome-panel`  ?
[07:54] <DocUb> yes cb
[07:55] <WeirdAl> No. How do I get it back again after that?
[07:55] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: sometimes helps - it regenerates
[07:55] <WeirdAl> ah
[07:55] <[nrx_] > hold on.. you asked for help
[07:55] <cbr> thanks, getting hoary-rc-install-i386.iso as we speak
[07:55] <[nrx_] > not me..
[07:55] <xwildph> [nrx]   he's trying to help me..  a stuffed up install
[07:55] <[nrx_] > oh
[07:55] <[nrx_] > sorry
[07:55] <[nrx_] > lol
[07:55] <WeirdAl> OK now I don't have any
[07:55] <WeirdAl> oh, tell al ie
[07:55] <WeirdAl> a lie*
[07:55] <WeirdAl> It's come back in the same place though
[07:56] <Dreamer3> i'm trying to make a window list down the side (left)... is there no way to make a toolbar larger than 120px?
[07:56] <cavediver> Hi. Where do I add dirs to the path so it will be set every reboot ?
[07:56] <treke> in your .bashrc
[07:56] <haselden> you can do it in your .bashrc
[07:57] <eviltwin> well guys
[07:57] <eviltwin> thank you
[07:57] <eviltwin> peace
[07:57] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: alternative is to back up and rename your ~/.gnome2 and other gnome files  and restart gnome: you should get back to a default state
[07:58] <Bitoiu> hello everybody
[07:58] <WeirdAl> ok
[07:58] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: then you can selectively replace them
[07:58] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: there are a few - .gnome2 .gnome and so on
[07:58] <Dreamer3> anyone: i'm trying to make a window list down the side (left)... is there no way to make a toolbar larger than 120px?
[07:59] <freet> thoreauputic: hey, for the kubuntu-desktop package, where is that?
[07:59] <Bitoiu> can u help me or redirect me to a faq, explaining why "linux-images" "linux-restricted-modules" couldn't be upgraded and now i always have an error when using the synaptic upgrade -> base-config and console data?????
[07:59] <thoreauputic> freet: universe?
[07:59] <freet> thoreauputic: i mean, the url for in sources.list
[07:59] <freet> thoreauputic: but is it part of unstable?
[08:00] <WeirdAl> OK cheers.
[08:00] <thoreauputic> freet: um, this in't debian
[08:00] <WeirdAl> That'll teach me not to drag stuff on a slow computer.
[08:00] <Bitoiu> i forgot to say i'm using Hoarty 5.04
[08:00] <thoreauputic> freet: what do you mean?
[08:00] <Bitoiu> anyone can point me to a solution?
[08:00] <freet> thoreauputic: well, hoary, isn't that the unstable thing?
[08:00] <WeirdAl> thor: .gconf as well?
[08:00] <randabis> no
[08:00] <randabis> hoary is a release candidate
[08:01] <randabis> grumpy groundhog will be unstable
[08:01] <Amaranth> grumpy groundhog doesn't exist
[08:01] <freet> anyway, in sources.list, change warthy with hoary?
[08:01] <randabis> hoary = testing in debian terms
[08:01] <Amaranth> it's going to be called breezy
[08:01] <randabis> Amaranth: incorrect
[08:01] <Jamminpotato> breezy badger?
[08:01] <Amaranth> randabis: ask -devel
[08:01] <thoreauputic> freet: AFAIK kubuntu-desktop is in universe or main on Hoary - I'm still using Warty here
[08:02] <randabis> Amaranth: breezy will be the next stable release
[08:02] <freet> thoreauputic: me too
[08:02] <randabis> grumpy will be a continuous unstable branch
[08:02] <Bitoiu> anyone had this problem, i tried google but didn't find anything interesting!!
[08:02] <freet> anybody tell me dependencies for hoary?
[08:02] <Dreamer3> can i not click on the desktop in gnome and get a list of running processes, is that some other WM?
[08:02] <freet> is it the same, just changing warthy to hoary?
[08:02] <WeirdAl> yaaaaaaaaaay
[08:02] <Jamminpotato> the warty to hoary was acutually really easy to do
[08:02] <WeirdAl> It got rid of all the launchers so I had something to grab!
[08:03] <WeirdAl> \o/ thanks thor
[08:03] <randabis> Dreamer3: there's a tool called System Monitor that will list them
[08:03] <thoreauputic> freet: I think to do kubuntu you need to dist-upgrade - you *can* do apt-get install kde-base or something like that on warty
[08:03] <randabis> kubuntu is hoary or greater
[08:03] <Dreamer3> randabis: i mean like a desktop menu, but one with my running apps so i can pick one and it takes focus
[08:03] <freet> thoreauputic: yeah, but be4 i can do that, i need to know the sources.list for hoary
[08:03] <randabis> oh
[08:03] <randabis> Dreamer3: I don't think it can do that
[08:03] <Dreamer3> randabis: must be anyone WM :-/
[08:03] <freet> thoreauputic: so, just adjustng warty to hoary?
[08:03] <thoreauputic> freet: only if you want the latest
[08:04] <thoreauputic> yes
[08:04] <Dreamer3> randabis: now that i have hoary i'm trying to re-layout my desktop
[08:04] <freet> k thxc
[08:04] <Dreamer3> randabis: shake things up a little
[08:04] <randabis> Dreamer3: I see
[08:04] <thoreauputic> just change warty to hoary
[08:04] <Bitoiu> if no one had the same problem, just say it, and i try somewere else
[08:04] <Bitoiu> no harm
[08:05] <HiddenWolf> if I reinstall ubuntu, and tell the installer to use /home and leave it as is, will I log in to an ubuntu with identical settings?
[08:06] <DarthFrog> HiddenWolf: Is /home on its own partition?
[08:06] <thoreauputic> Bitoiu: that's like asking the people at the back of the hall to raise their hands if they can't hear you ;-)
[08:07] <Bitoiu> thoreauputic: LOL
[08:07] <thoreauputic> Bitoiu: you haven't been clear on the real problem: are you using dist-upgrade or upgrade?
[08:07] <puckman> Good evening.
[08:08] <thoreauputic> and do you have third party packages on your hoary set up?
[08:08] <Bitoiu> thoreauputic: thanks! what's the diference, how do i tell?
[08:08] <Lefungus> hello
[08:08] <holycow> hey, how come theres no applications:/// in hoary?
[08:08] <thoreauputic> Bitoiu: dist-upgrade will pukk in new packages
[08:08] <holycow> are we expected to manually edit .desktop files?
[08:08] <Lefungus> I don't manage to make emacs works with color-theme :(
[08:08] <thoreauputic> *pull
[08:08] <Lefungus> it doesn't understand load-path
[08:09] <Lefungus> and when I put it into an emacs dir, it doesn't read it properly :(
[08:09] <thoreauputic> Bitoiu: ordinary upgrade won't cj=hange your kernel, for example
[08:09] <thoreauputic> *change
[08:09] <Lefungus> so I'm bound to use white background with bad colors
[08:10] <Bitoiu> thoreauputic: Sorry , but i'm missing your point, what i can tell u is that i installed hoarty 5.04 last week and this error came to me when updating all the packages
[08:11] <thoreauputic> Bitoiu: 1) you haven't specified the error message 2) my question about dist-upgrade was intended to clarify why you weren't getting new kernels
[08:12] <gangalino> how do you update pkgs with apt? for instance, gaim
[08:12] <thoreauputic> 3) It's hard to diagnose a problem without knowing the output or error messages
[08:13] <randabis> holycow: there's no applications:/// because the menu specification changed
[08:13] <thoreauputic> gangalino: you want 1.2 , right?
[08:13] <randabis> you'll need Amaranth's menu editor if you want to edit the menus
[08:14] <randabis> gangalino: depends on what version of ubuntu you are running
[08:14] <Bitoiu> thoreauputic: thanks for your patience... whenever i try to upgrade any package i get this error:
[08:14] <Bitoiu> E: console-data:  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[08:14] <Bitoiu> E: base-config:  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[08:15] <Bitoiu> in ALL the packages removed or installed!
[08:15] <thoreauputic> Bitoiu: have you checked your /etc/apt/sources.list   ?
[08:15] <pumpoioplo> gud am (im here in philippines) .. just want to ask if what modem does ubuntu supports
[08:15] <pumpoioplo> tnx
[08:15] <pumpoioplo> :d
[08:18] <thoreauputic> Bitoiu: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[08:19] <Bitoiu> .
[08:19] <thoreauputic> Bitoiu: you just learnt something, I hope
[08:19] <Bitoiu> yes
[08:19] <Bitoiu> sure thoreauputic !!!!
[08:19] <thoreauputic> Bitoiu: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[08:19] <thoreauputic> for a start
[08:20] <thoreauputic> Bitoiu: 2) don't PM people without asking
[08:20] <Bitoiu> thoreauputic: i'm very sorry for that!
[08:20] <thoreauputic> Bitoiu: 3) Don't flood with endless repetitive output - use a pastebin
[08:20] <LeeJunFan> is kubuntu actually part of the same organization as ubuntu? Will there be disc offerings of of kubuntu as there are for ubuntu?
[08:21] <LeeJunFan> I mean - I know they are basically the same distro, but are the same people in charge?
[08:21] <Bitoiu> thoreauputic: pastebin?? :|
[08:21] <Myrtti> Bitoiu: pastebin.org
[08:21] <Arnia> LeeJunFan: kubuntu is a community project
[08:21] <Bitoiu> ok
[08:21] <thoreauputic> Bitoiu: pastebin.com
[08:21] <thoreauputic> Bitoiu: there are a few
[08:21] <pumpoioplo> gud am (im here in philippines) .. just want to ask if what modem does ubuntu supports
[08:21] <thoreauputic> check them out
[08:22] <holycow> okay, installing nvidia drivers still requires that i use the 'debian way' correct?
[08:23] <Riddell> LeeJunFan: we won't have shipit alas (any sponsors for that welcome)
[08:23] <Dreamer3> holycow: debian way is never required, but it's the best ;-)
[08:23] <Dreamer3> holycow: hey, your look familiar, did you use to work at Gateway? ;-)
[08:23] <Dreamer3> *laughs*
[08:23] <huffers> hmm... I'm having problems getting sound in Ubuntu
[08:23] <huffers> anyone here like to throw some ideas at me?
[08:23] <huffers> :)
[08:23] <Arnia> huffers: What is your card?
[08:24] <huffers> erratec DMX XFire 1024
[08:24] <Bitoiu> thoreauputic: checkout pastebin.com for my output on sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales! not a very pleasent outp
[08:24] <huffers> terratec*
[08:24] <Bitoiu> thoreauputic: should i reinstall something connected to locales?
[08:25] <thoreauputic> Bitoiu: you need to give the complete url for your paste
[08:25] <holycow> Dreamer3, ehe :)
[08:25] <Arnia> Anyone else can help?
[08:25] <Bitoiu> thoreauputic: i hate to bother any of you, but this is always my last resourt and i am free to help in whatever i can :)
[08:25] <thoreauputic> Bitoiu: you just gave the index page
[08:26] <Bitoiu> thoreauputic: http://www.pastebin.com/265287
[08:26] <huffers> my fault for having weird hardware
[08:26] <Servo888> Anybody know why ubuntu recompiles the entire damn kernel ever time make is run on it?... make clean isn't run.
[08:26] <thoreauputic> OK I'll  look
[08:26] <gangalino> thoureauputic: yes, 1.2
[08:27] <gangalino> randabis: I'm running Warty w/ gaim 1.0 now, I want 1.2.0
[08:27] <pumpoioplo> does the rockwell/conexant modem supported by ubuntu?
[08:27] <Bitoiu> thoreauputic: thanks!!!!:)
[08:27] <randabis> gangalino: easiest way would be to use the autopackage at the gaim website
[08:27] <Jamminpotato> ok im new to linux and i ahve a question...lets say i downlaoded a deb package...how do i install it
[08:28] <randabis> gangalino: you can't use warty repositories to get 1.2. You need to use hoary
[08:28] <freet> Jamminpotato: dont do that
[08:28] <huffers> heh
[08:28] <gangalino> randabis: does it upgrade?
[08:28] <freet> Jamminpotato: you use ubuntu i guess?
[08:28] <gangalino> randabis: or a new install?
[08:28] <randabis> Jamminpotato: dpkg -i foo.deb
[08:28] <EvilIdler> Jamminpotato: Use apt-get to download and install
[08:28] <Bitoiu> thoreauputic: http://www.pastebin.com/265290 is more correct!
[08:29] <EvilIdler> Jamminpotato: It handles dependencies for you that way
[08:29] <freet> Jamminpotato: yeah, use apt-get or synaptic, because otherwise ur package-manager doesnt know what u installed
[08:29] <randabis> gangalino: you can upgrade to hoary from warty...if you mean gaim...I don't know...I use hoary
[08:29] <freet> Jamminpotato: that can cause strange situations when installing things, or upgrading your distro
[08:29] <randabis> freet: uh, that's not true if you're using .debs
[08:29] <freet> randabis: no?
[08:29] <Bitoiu> thoreauputic: ??
[08:30] <Jamminpotato> what is the syntax for the apt get command
[08:30] <randabis> freet: nope. apt still knows they are installed
[08:30] <lok> apt-get
[08:30] <Manny> hi
[08:30] <Manny> I'd like to make a custom install CD with a custom kernel
[08:30] <Myrtti> mmmm, pink nailpolish
[08:30] <randabis> freet: they'll even show up in synaptic most of the time
[08:30] <Manny> are there any HOWTOs on this?
[08:30] <Jamminpotato> freet, EvilIdler what is the apt-get syntax?
[08:31] <Manny> maybe I just have to modify the default ISO file or something
[08:31] <Myrtti> Jamminpotato: what do you mean
[08:31] <EvilIdler> Jamminpotato: apt-get install packagabasename
[08:31] <Jamminpotato> ok
[08:31] <Jamminpotato> do i have to have the package on my computer or do i use a irl?
[08:31] <EvilIdler> Jamminpotato: Neither
[08:31] <freet> randabis: lol, didn't know that :d
[08:31] <Jamminpotato> how do i do it
[08:31] <Jamminpotato> then
[08:31] <apokryphos> Jamminpotato: You can always man apt-get, don't forget. ;-)
[08:32] <EvilIdler> Jamminpotato: Step one: apt-get update     Step two: apt-get install package
[08:32] <huffers> jamminpotato: where did you get the package from?
[08:32] <freet> Jamminpotato: first of all, if u want to know the name, type apt-cache search name
[08:32] <Jamminpotato> i dont acutaly remember, its for Eclipse ide
[08:32] <randabis> Jamminpotato: again, to install .deb... dpkg -i foo.deb
[08:32] <freet> Jamminpotato: with name= what you're looking for, doesn't have to match exactly
[08:33] <randabis> I would however recommend seeing if there is a package for it already in the ubuntu repositories before going that route
[08:33] <randabis> tra la la...rebuilding k3b to add mp3 burning support :)
[08:33] <freet> randabis: :D
[08:34] <AlexCrowley> hi
[08:35] <Dreamer3> ok
[08:35] <Jamminpotato> whats man apt-get?
[08:35] <Dreamer3> i think i'm going to have to turn spatial nautilus off
[08:35] <randabis> freet: yeah, the beauty of apt-get build-dep :)
[08:36] <randabis> Jamminpotato: it is the manual for apt
[08:36] <Jamminpotato> oh ok
[08:36] <huffers> you type it in a console
[08:36] <huffers> terminal
[08:36] <Bitoiu> thoreauputic: are u there?
[08:36] <huffers> jamminpotato: but I'd use synaptic (a front-end for apt-get)
[08:37] <Jamminpotato> huffers, but i how do i get synaptec to see the package
[08:37] <Myrtti> Jamminpotato: so you've already downloaded a .deb-package?
[08:37] <Jamminpotato> yes
[08:37] <Myrtti> and you need to install it?
[08:38] <Jamminpotato> yes
[08:38] <billyoc> Pyre: flash
[08:38] <apokryphos> billyoc: you'd have to assign something for flash, first ;-)
[08:38] <billyoc> i was hoping someone did.  :)
[08:38] <apokryphos> syntax is slightly different, too. :P
[08:39] <billyoc> ohoh
[08:39] <billyoc> Pyre: flash?
[08:39] <billyoc> hehe
[08:41] <Absenth> anyone here an fdisk expert?
[08:42] <andreiz> Ubuntu is the greatest!
[08:43] <Lefungus> argl, ubuntu use a funky emacs preventing me to use the color-theme file from emacswiki
[08:43] <Lefungus> it doesn't work properly
[08:43] <andreiz> is there a way to make nautilus (in ftp mode) open files as read-write instead of read-only ? thanks!
[08:44] <LinuxJones> andreiz, premissions are set on the ftp server itself
[08:44] <DocUb> hmm
[08:44] <LinuxJones> *permissions :(
[08:44] <DocUb> very intersting, nickserv isn't recognizing my identify
[08:45] <ipcopnewbie> sshd question for you
[08:45] <andreiz> LinuxJones: i have write access on the ftp.
[08:45] <DocUb> very intersting, nickserv isn't recognizing my identify
[08:45] <DocUb> ack
[08:45] <DocUb> sorry
[08:45] <andreiz> LinuxJones: the problem is that nautilus opens a file with gedit, but in read-only mode
[08:46] <ipcopnewbie> i'm just installing ubuntu and wondering if i will have the same problem i had with woody, which was: connection refused on ssh in (ssh never saw the inbound connection even though it accepted ssh connections from the local system, and i could ssh out to the world)
[08:46] <ipcopnewbie> anybody had any experience with that?
[08:46] <Bitoiu> thank u everybody
[08:46] <Bitoiu> i solved my problem
[08:46] <DarthFrog> ipcopnewbie: You have to allow SSH connections in /etc/hosts.allow
[08:46] <Bitoiu> speedtouch problems post me, have experience!!
[08:47] <Bitoiu> hail ububtu!
[08:47] <randabis> ipcopnewbie: ubuntu and woody are very different beasts
[08:47] <ipcopnewbie> i actually did that, and it didn't help. but wouldn't that be for tcpd? I thought that would only apply if inetd->tcpd->sshd
[08:48] <Hackmo> Hey all, can anyone help me with graphics problem in hoary?
[08:48] <AlexCrowley> ipcopnewbie, default sshd configuration?
[08:48] <ipcopnewbie> i will try adding "ssh" to /etc/hosts.allow on ubuntu and see how it goes (or should I add "sshd" as well)
[08:48] <ipcopnewbie> yes, that was out of the box debian/woody installation straight off the servers.
[08:48] <DarthFrog> ipcopnewbie: sssd uses /etc/hosts.allow for its access control.  You are running the daemon, aren't you?  ssh and sshd are different; one is the client (ssh) and one is the server (sshd).
[08:48] <AlexCrowley> sshd
[08:49] <ipcopnewbie> struggled with that for about an hour and then discovered ubuntu. yes, sshd was running, darthfrog (it's set up to run with the default installation if you choose a server configuration for debian)
[08:49] <ipcopnewbie> i eventually killed sshd, and started it with -d just to see if i could get a clue whether it was even getting packets
[08:50] <ipcopnewbie> it wasn't
[08:50] <ipcopnewbie> so i began to suspect the kernel
[08:50] <DarthFrog> ipcopnewbie: ssh is the client.  Needs nothing in hosts.allow.  For incoming connections you need a line like "sshd:ALL" to allow anyone to have an ssh connection.
[08:50] <mdke> i've just installed pan. Does anyone know how to set up a news server?
[08:50] <DarthFrog> ipcopnewbie: Of course you can replace "ALL" with your desired specific allowed connections, as per "man hosts.allow".
[08:51] <mdke> s/server/client
[08:52] <ipcopnewbie> darthfrog: i'll use ALL since this will be a system i need to connect to from outside (it'll eventually be a firewall). but what i didn't know was what string was the right id for hosts.allow on the daemon (sshd)
[08:52] <dts> Every other time I shut down the system throuh "system-shutdown" the system just kinda stays as it is for about 5-10 minutes and then finaly shut's down. Has anyone experienced problems like this?
[08:52] <LinuxJones> ipcopnewbie, have you read the sshhowto >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SSHHowto
[08:53] <freet> dts: got the same with "poweroff"?
[08:53] <oXeN> does anyone have an ATI howto that has actually worked for them?
[08:53] <dts> freet yea i knowsomeone with the same problem too
[08:54] <DarthFrog> LinuxJones: That URL on ssh doesn't discuss server access control files.
[08:54] <Zeit|idle> little install-question: can I later restart the setup to download the language-files that are not on the CD? Have no network right now (either CD or network - laptop)
[08:54] <queuetue> What vendor(s) would you consider if you were looking for a linux laptop? (dev workstation, light gaming)
[08:54] <ipcopnewbie> LinuxJones, Darthfrog: yes, although scanning it i can see its value.
[08:55] <DarthFrog> queuetue: For gaming?  Alienware.
[08:55] <morchuboo> Can anyone tell me how I select the default sound card used.. I want to have my SB Live used by default and then just the odd application that uses mic to use my onboard sound chip so that i dont have to keep changing the speakers and mic over, but I cant find a way to set gnomes sound card
[08:55] <morchuboo> Im using Hoary RC
[08:55] <robodex> hey what's the command to check uptime?
[08:55] <LinuxJones> DarthFrog, every service you install in Ubuntu doesn't accept connections from the outside by default
[08:56] <mdke> robodex, uptime
[08:56] <robodex> ...
[08:56] <robodex> ok i'm a dumbass
[08:56] <Zeit|idle> ^^
[08:56] <mdke> heh
[08:56] <Hackmo> Hey all, anyone know if there is a linux driver for the ATI RADEON 7200?
[08:56] <robodex> WTF 7 users?
[08:56] <mdke> Hackmo, should be included in xorg
[08:56] <DarthFrog> LinuxJones: Right.  And that URL doesn't tell how to allow incoming SSH connections.
[08:56] <robodex> oh nm
[08:56] <queuetue> DarthFrog, a) i said dev workstation, light gaming.  b) Alienware laptops are just rebadged sagers. c) They are not certified for Linux, are they?
[08:56] <MyKq3> dts do u use  xcompmgr ?
[08:57] <Hackmo> mdke: thanks
[08:57] <dts> MyKq3, no what's that
[08:57] <DarthFrog> queuetue: No idea really.   Rebaged sagers?  Hmm, didn't know that.
[08:57] <Zeit|idle> ok.. so noone.. hmm.. gonna ask later again.. ^^
[08:57] <MyKq3> its a rop shadows and transparency thingy dts
[08:58] <LinuxJones> ipcopnewbie, are you running the service inetd ?
[08:58] <oXeN> does anyone have an ATI howto that has actually worked for them?
[08:58] <ipcopnewbie> LinuxJones: i have just gotten ubuntu and installed this very second. a little irritated i have to sudo to do anything
[08:59] <ipcopnewbie> i'm sure that's nice for true newbies but i've administered redhat and solaris for about 10 yrs
[08:59] <GNAM> i use root terminal
[08:59] <GNAM> :P
[08:59] <ipcopnewbie> oh...good idea
[08:59] <queuetue> ipcopnewbie, you should work on your anger issues - since something simple like typing "sudo" shoud not irritate you.
[08:59] <LinuxJones> ipcopnewbie, don't worry you will get used to it :)
[08:59] <morchuboo> ipcopnewbie,
[08:59] <DarthFrog> ipcopnewbie: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#setchangeenablerootpassword
[09:00] <morchuboo> ipcopnewbie, just re-enable the root account if you cant stand it
[09:00] <AlexCrowley> I like the sudo concept, I have it on everything for auditing purposes
[09:00] <Zeit|idle> or like macOS X.. ;)
[09:00] <ipcopnewbie> ok, i might reenable for a bit anyway while i set things up
[09:00] <ipcopnewbie> this is not to say i've never done rm -r *.c by accident on huge programming projects 8-)
[09:01] <ipcopnewbie> instead of *.o
[09:01] <freet> ipcopnewbie: lol :d
[09:01] <fr500> hello
[09:01] <freet> ipcopnewbie: and o & c are so close to eachother on keyboards :p
[09:01] <fr500> i ran apt-get upgrade today, after that my soundcard broke, any ideas on why?
[09:02] <ipcopnewbie> freet: at 5am they can be after 36hrs of hacking
[09:02] <freet> ipcopnewbie: prolly :p
[09:02] <freet> ipcopnewbie: i prefer the good old su-way too, btw :)
[09:03] <Lurrrrr> hi
[09:03] <queuetue> fr500, gamma radiation.
[09:03] <fr500> queuetue, what?
[09:03] <DarthFrog> ipcopnewbie: Why don't you write an alias for "rm -r *.c" that puts out a "Danger, Will Robinson!!  Dumb move alert!" ? :-)
[09:03] <queuetue> fr500, I was guessing why your card broke.
[09:03] <fr500> lol
[09:04] <freet> lol queuetue
[09:04] <ipcopnewbie> freet: trying to su, i find that the su password i gave it doesn't seem to go. now i'm trying to remember if i actually was even prompted for a superuser password. (This was late last night). does it just not ask and there's some default? (this is potentially and RTFM, if so, apologies in advance)
[09:04] <fr500> is there a way to force detection of soundcard again?
[09:04] <queuetue> Go ahead and delete your .c files - as long as emacs is covering your back for recent edits, and you check in regularly. :)
[09:05] <freet> ipcopnewbie: no, i kinda figured it out myself today :d
[09:05] <freet> ipcopnewbie: type "sudo passwd"
[09:05] <freet> and your password
[09:05] <freet> then retype your password twice :)
[09:05] <queuetue> ipcopnewbie, sudo -s  don't su to root, just sudo -s
[09:06] <ipcopnewbie> queuetue, i have a bad habit of also hitting ~ in dired and then deleting :-(
[09:06] <randabis> sudo -s to have root under your environment
[09:06] <Dreamer3> ok
[09:06] <randabis> sudo -i for full root
[09:06] <randabis> iirc
[09:06] <Dreamer3> anyone know how to change the default font used in a GTK1 app?
[09:07] <randabis> sudo -i or sudo -l
[09:07] <randabis> can't remember
[09:07] <Dreamer3> the sylpheed with damn small linux looked great, but the one i installed the fonts are way to big
[09:07] <DocUb> who's running xnest here?>
[09:07] <ipcopnewbie> randabis: hey, sudo -s works great
[09:07] <ipcopnewbie> thanks!!
[09:08] <Dreamer3> ok, i need a good bitmapped font... at like 14pt
[09:09] <dts> MyKq3, what would that do about my logout problem?
[09:09] <AlienDuce> hellp
[09:09] <AlienDuce> hello
[09:09] <AlienDuce> anyone can help me?
[09:09] <Dreamer3> actually the bold font in sylpheed is pretty usable... if i could just make it all like that
[09:09] <ipcopnewbie> however... adding ALL: sshd to /etc/hosts.allow does not allow remote connection still
[09:10] <randabis> ipcopnewbie: no problem, but queuetue beat me to it
[09:10] <randabis> :)
[09:10] <queuetue> No I in team . :)
[09:10] <Basili9> hey
[09:11] <Basili9> quelqu'un peut m'aider  configurer ma carte wifi avec ubuntu ?
[09:11] <queuetue> ... french ?
[09:11] <dts> Basili9, you can configure wifi in ubuntu :-D
[09:11] <Basili9> oui ;)
[09:11] <Dalkus> Er, I just cancled a dist-upgrade by mistake - Can i just resume? I jsut issue apt-get dist-upgrade?
[09:11] <Basili9> dts oui, mais comment ;)
[09:11] <ipcopnewbie> si vous avez besoin de traduction, je parle francais s'il le faut
[09:12] <dts> Basili9, i don't speak french
[09:12] <Basili9> queuetue,  tu parles francais ?
[09:12] <Basili9> ahhh
[09:12] <ipcopnewbie> i speak it
[09:12] <ipcopnewbie> happy to translate anything
[09:12] <dts> ipcopnewbie, well what does he want
[09:12] <queuetue> Basili9, You are welcome to speka feench here, but #ubuntu--fr will have more that can understand you. :)  I don't.
[09:12] <Basili9> merciii ipcopnewbie  :)
[09:12] <ipcopnewbie> basili wants to know how to configure wifi in ubuntu... can someone help him.
[09:13] <dts> ipcopnewbie, we need to firstof know what wireless card he has prism or another kind
[09:13] <ipcopnewbie> mais basili, mes excuses, je doit m'en sortir en 10 minutes...
[09:13] <Basili9> ah ipcopnewbie  fais ton possible :)
[09:13] <ipcopnewbie> basili d'abord quel genre de carte wifi avez-vous, prism ou autre sorte?
[09:14] <rdw200169> ipcopnewbie: what kind of wifi card do you have?
[09:14] <ipcopnewbie> quelle marque, j'veux dire
[09:14] <Basili9> c'est une carte belkin 802.11g
[09:14] <Zeit|idle> broadcomm..
[09:14] <Basili9> wireless notebook network card
[09:14] <Basili9> reference
[09:15] <andreas_> Dont hate me for this! I need to get to a MS IRC channel to ask how they do certain things in MS outta-the-box programs
[09:15] <Basili9> reference F5D7010
[09:15] <Basili9> c'est une BELKIN 54g
[09:15] <dts> andreas_, thanks for shareing
[09:15] <randabis> Basili9: parle vous anglais?
[09:16] <ipcopnewbie> hmm, anybody know who really makes that BELKIN card?
[09:16] <Basili9> randabis,  wery bad english
[09:16] <Basili9> ;(
[09:16] <Zeit|idle> c'est une broadcom AFAIR
[09:16] <ipcopnewbie> i bet belkin doesn't make the electronics
[09:16] <randabis> Basili9: my french is very bad :(
[09:16] <ipcopnewbie> there you go, zeit has a handle on it
[09:16] <andreas_> dts: I wasn `t sharing. I was wondering if anyone knew of one - I don`t.
[09:16] <lok> andreas_, there is a IRC channel of MS devs ?
[09:16] <ipcopnewbie> meanwhile, i'm still getting connection refused from sshd
[09:16] <randabis> Belkin 54g needs ndiswrapper iirc
[09:16] <andreas_> lok: server and channel?
[09:17] <ipcopnewbie> even with ALL: sshd in hosts.allow. do i need to HUP my sshd?
[09:17] <Dreamer3> ok
[09:17] <lok> andreas_, no it was a question
[09:17] <Dreamer3> anyone with any idea how to set gtk1 fonts?
[09:17] <delire> andreas_: what are out-of-the-box-programs?
[09:17] <Basili9> comment utiliser dniswrapper iirc ?
[09:17] <dabeej> How often would you say it is good to update sources using apt?
[09:17] <dts> ipcopnewbie, well tell him he needs ndiswrapper i know there's plenty on that in french, if he can't find anything run him through the ubuntu page for it
[09:17] <andreas_> delire: Programs that come with a standard Windows installation. W2K and XP
[09:17] <holycow> does anyone know why applications:/// no longer exists in hoary? has it been removed from gnome 2.10 maybe?
[09:17] <dts> ipcopnewbie, basically all he needs is his driver
[09:18] <ipcopnewbie> dts: ok
[09:18] <delire> Dreamer3: fontconfig?
[09:18] <delire> andreas_: oh..
[09:18] <Basili9> mais le driver ne marche pas, il y a un message d'erreur
[09:18] <andreas_> delire: I need to know how they read and write EXIF comments.
[09:19] <ipcopnewbie> basili, recherchez ndiswrapper, apparement il existe bcp de docs sur cela en francais, et sinon, n'oubliez pas les pages ubuntu elles-memes.  quel message voyez vous du driver, par d'ailleurs
[09:19] <delire> andreas_: can't help you sorry, haven't touched winblows in years
[09:19] <ipcopnewbie> so now i see sshd does not run in the default installation
[09:19] <andreas_> delire: No problem - you`re saved then
[09:19] <DarthFrog> ipcopnewbie: No servers run in the default installation.  Secure by default.
[09:19] <Basili9> ipcopnewbie,  : le message tait : failed driver
[09:20] <UBabe> oui oui! :D
[09:20] <ipcopnewbie> basil says his card reported "failed driver"
[09:20] <UBabe> tre male! :(
[09:20] <Dreamer3> delire: man fontconfig gives me nothing
[09:20] <ipcopnewbie> basili, vous disiez laptop? alors pas moyen de la remplacer (la carte, veux dire)
[09:20] <delire> Dreamer3: you have it installed?
[09:20] <randabis> ipcopnewbie: did he use ndiswrapper to install his windows drivers (.inf)
[09:21] <Zeit|idle> Belkin 54g F5D7010 has a Broadcom BCM94306 chipset AFAIR
[09:21] <delire> Dreamer3: there are others.. what specifically do you want to do?
[09:21] <Basili9> ipcopnewbie,  no, je ne peux pas la remplacer la carte
[09:21] <AlienDuce> hey please i need help
[09:21] <dazed|> whats a good program for viewing image files?
[09:21] <ipcopnewbie> basili9: ok. est-ce que vous vous etes servi de ndiswrapper pour installer les drivers windows (.inf), randabis demande
[09:22] <EvilIdler> dazed|: feh
[09:22] <UBabe> au revoir! je retournerai! haw haw! ;)
[09:22] <Dreamer3> delire: well... now i have the gtk2 version of sylpheed open... and bold text( for some reason) appears larger than non-bold text
[09:22] <Basili9> ou on peut trouver le driver associ  ce type de carte
[09:22] <Basili9> ?
[09:22] <dazed|> says i already have newest version but i cant open images up it gives me error
[09:23] <ipcopnewbie> basili wants to know where he can find the driver associated with this type of card
[09:23] <delire> dazed|: viewing and editing? if so the gimp, of not gimageviewer gqview ..
[09:23] <andreiz> is there a way to make nautilus (in ftp mode) open files as read-write instead of read-only ? thanks!
[09:23] <Basili9> ipcopnewbie,  oui, on s'en est servi de ndiswrapper
[09:23] <EvilIdler> dazed|: eog, maybe?
[09:23] <Dreamer3> delire: it's really kind of weird... in the gtk1 version the bold fonts were smaller, and the only ones that looked good, now it's the opposite
[09:23] <delire> Dreamer3: hmm.. are you using gnome/kde?
[09:23] <dazed|> ok thanks
[09:23] <Dreamer3> delire: gnome
[09:24] <ipcopnewbie> basili says yes, he used ndiswrapper
[09:24] <ipcopnewbie> but still no dice
[09:24] <delire> Dreamer3: to select fonts use gtkfontsel
[09:24] <mdke> can anyone help me set up the news reader pam?
[09:25] <Dreamer3> delire: installing
[09:25] <randabis> Basili9: ndiswrapper -i windows.inf, ndiswrapper -m?
[09:25] <Dreamer3> delire: hmmm
[09:25] <Dreamer3> pretty sparse
[09:25] <fr500> how can i reinstall my soundcard? after upgrading last night sound broke
[09:26] <Nermal> heh
[09:26] <delire> Dreamer3: and then to ensure they are used and how they are configured see whether you have a /home/Dreamer3/.gtkrc directory
[09:26] <fr500> with upgrading i mean daily updates
[09:26] <Nermal> what do you expect ?
[09:26] <Dreamer3> delire: does this change anything or just show me my fonts?
[09:27] <Dreamer3> delire: nope, no .gtkrc
[09:27] <dabeej> i wish someone would rebuild monodevelop =/
[09:28] <delire> Dreamer3: you can make one with 'touch ~/.gtkrc and then edit it to include lines like "font = "-B&H-Lucida-Medium-R-Normal-Sans-11-80-100-100-P-63-ISO8859-1""
[09:29] <Dreamer3> delire: whoa :)
[09:29] <black_nightmare> how the blankty-blankty do you eject a *** cdrw drive? :|
[09:29] <UBabe> I hate dumping error messages to the chan
[09:29] <Dreamer3> delire: guess i'm just going to have to boot DSL and look around
[09:29] <black_nightmare> the bezel control doesn't respond at all and 'eject cdrw' errors at me
[09:29] <UBabe> black nightmare: what OS you using?
[09:29] <Basili9> bon les amis, je vous remercie pour tout et  bientot... merci randabis  et merci ipcopnewbie  ;) thanks for u all, see u , bye
[09:29] <UBabe> I hate dumping error messages to the chan, but here goes
[09:29] <UBabe> Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-powerpc_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[09:29] <ipcopnewbie> basili says thanks for everything to all
[09:29] <black_nightmare> ubabe..what else did I specifically came to this channel for?
[09:30] <Dreamer3> UBabe: apt-get update again
[09:30] <delire> Dreamer3: i'm sure gnome has a gtk font configurator. also see if sylpheed has a font configuration entry. perhaps in ~/.sylpheed
[09:30] <delire> Dreamer3: or similar
[09:30] <black_nightmare> I even looked at 'man eject' but no clue or help from there
[09:30] <UBabe> black nightmare ...if youre using ubuntu, then it just be a matter of unmounting the CD om, then pressing thr eject button, i guess
[09:31] <EfaistOs> with gnomebaker can i make dvd-video ?
[09:31] <delire> EfaistOs: no but you can with dvd-author
[09:31] <ove> what is the run command for the bluetooth programme bluez?
[09:31] <black_nightmare> ubabe...if it was that simple then I would have already ejected it by long then
[09:31] <EvilIdler> Get cdtool - it has a cdeject command that should unmount+eject
[09:31] <black_nightmare> right-click errors... bezel control doesn't work...terminal erroring as well -- what else do I get the drive to eject?? lol
[09:32] <dazed|> alright i need some help i have a hoary pc and warty on the laptop now i can get the files on the pc to show up on the ubuntu network via smb but the files i want to share on the laptop dont show up on the network anywhere anyone have any ideas???
[09:32] <EvilIdler> Note that you can't even unmount if you are in the path of the CD in a shell or browser
[09:32] <UBabe> black_nightmare: you getting any error messages as such, pls elaborate
[09:32] <black_nightmare> evil...hrm...is that the last suggestion?
[09:32] <black_nightmare> ubabe...nope
[09:32] <dabeej> does ubuntu have a place where unstable pending debs go?
[09:33] <UBabe> just pressing eject, then nothing happening i spose, you chatting with us on the same Ubuntu machine thats giving you greif?
[09:33] <dazed|> dabeej: universe
[09:33] <dabeej> crap
[09:33] <dabeej> dazed|, i kind of need the latest version of monodevelop =/
[09:33] <black_nightmare> I think its something to do with unknown media and the refusal to eject them....
[09:33] <dabeej> and i really don't want to compile all of that because of space
[09:33] <dazed|> look on ubuntu site dabeej might be able to give u some more info
[09:33] <black_nightmare> when I used a fat32 cdr before it ejected just fine from the bezel controls
[09:34] <dabeej> i did
[09:34] <dabeej> latest build is 0.5.1 0.6 hasn't been built yet
[09:34] <Unipal> I have a problem, my mobo  MSI K8N Neo4 WORKS CORRECTLY!!!!
[09:34] <dabeej> and the old deb repository is down
[09:34] <UBabe> black_nightmare, i hope yoiure not using a slot loading CD drive, theyre a mongrel to get out esp with Mac drives.
[09:34] <black_nightmare> lol nope...trays
[09:34] <EvilIdler> I've never seen a CD with a FAT32 filesystem
[09:35] <black_nightmare> evil...well..... windows do it oftenly
[09:35] <abdllah> hi all
[09:35] <EvilIdler> You mean Joliet?
[09:35] <black_nightmare> fat16 only goes to 500MB max btw (last I had a win95 AT mini-tower for a while)
[09:35] <Unipal> I've 2 weeks f*cking problems, and now it is working
[09:35] <UBabe> Dreamer3L: after apt-get update, then Synaptic wont give me error i guess??
[09:35] <TwEeT> Hello everyone, what do i do to get to nautilus applications:///Internet in hoary?
[09:36] <Unipal> and I don't know the cause.....
[09:36] <Unipal> damned!
[09:36] <abdllah> hay guy :) i have small question
[09:36] <UBabe> black nightmare, you could reinstall the offending driver in Synaptic package manager, making sure yousre using an unscathed CD to update the driver that might not be working properly.
[09:36] <abdllah> dvd playing is too poor in ubuntu 5.04
[09:37] <black_nightmare> umm ubabe its just a standard ide drive?
[09:37] <TwEeT> Does anyone know how to bring the "nautilus applications:///Internet" in hoary up
[09:37] <abdllah> any idea ?
[09:37] <black_nightmare> may as well as just to hell and reboot this computer then eject the drive before grub loads
[09:37] <UBabe> tried force-rebooting then ejecting it when it starts up?
[09:37] <fr500> TwEeT, you can't
[09:37] <black_nightmare> I think ubuntu has one big bug...
[09:37] <holycow> TwEeT, i don't think there actually is applictions:/// in hoary
[09:37] <UBabe> if it comes to that then you coukd always try that *shrug*
[09:37] <andreiz> TwEeT: i think the nautilus applications:/// stuff was removed
[09:38] <holycow> i can't find out what happened to that
[09:38] <black_nightmare> its refusing to release drives that has unknown formats on them
[09:38] <TwEeT> How do you add launchers to the menu>
[09:38] <TwEeT> ?
[09:38] <holycow> would anyone know why applications:/// might have been removed?
[09:38] <black_nightmare> I might be wrong but this is what it LOOKS like here
[09:38] <UBabe> hrm, do a search in Synaptic, maybe it needs extra drive support of some sort
[09:39] <black_nightmare> ubabe..it should be ABLE to eject it even if it doesn't know how to read it
[09:39] <black_nightmare> I think maybe this is a bug..lol
[09:39] <gand> hello u
[09:39] <TwEeT> Does anyone use Skype with Hoary?
[09:39] <lunitik> holycow: because it was for the menu vfolder... and they no longer use the same mechanism for menu's...
[09:39] <UBabe> maybe it just keeps trying to read it before it even thinks of ejecting it, could be a possibility.
[09:39] <EvilIdler> Make sure you have support for all CD-ROM formats loaded, then. Joliet and UDF are the likely formats
[09:39] <lunitik> holycow: took me about 2 months without menu editing though till I switched to KDE  :/
[09:40] <black_nightmare> hrm..even the macintosh (before prodos was added in 7.5.x) oftenly could quickly eject disks and cdrom even if it was unknown format to itself
[09:40] <UBabe> black_nightmare: as EvilIdler just said.
[09:40] <black_nightmare> ubabe..once again..why does the computer have to be able to recognize it just to eject it? ... ughhh... lol
[09:40] <holycow> lunitik, lol, it is frustrating applications:/// is wonderfull imho ... there must be a reason why it ws removed
[09:40] <gand> Any idea on how to configure yaboot with osx, ubuntu and kubuntu? tnk.
[09:40] <andreiz> TwEeT: i have used skype with hoary. The version with qt compiled staticaly wich you can download from their site.
[09:40] <black_nightmare> *sigh* whatever
[09:40] <UBabe> man, i dont know, just the crazy way these Linux machines work
[09:41] <holycow> lunitik, strangely you cannot even right click on the applications menu and add launchers either :/ ?
[09:41] <lunitik> holycow: I just told you... with gnome-menu , it is useless... they just kinda... forgot to implement something in its place  :/
[09:41] <andreiz> holycow: i guess you can setup thing using the menu
[09:41] <EvilIdler> black_nightmare: Mind you, last time I had a problem ejecting a CD, the drive had broken firmware. I had to replace it, as an upgrade had gone bad.
[09:41] <TwEeT> Does anyone use Skype with Hoary?
[09:41] <lunitik> holycow: nope... it wants you to depend on the application putting a .desktop file in the right place now...
[09:41] <holycow> lol lunitik i thought you were making conversation
[09:41] <andreiz> TwEeT: i have used skype with hoary. The version with qt compiled staticaly wich you can download from their site.
[09:41] <UBabe> black_nightmare: lemme tell you about greif! I just spent about two days trying to find out why my reinstall of Ubuntu kept crashing CORBA while initially loading Gnome
[09:42] <UBabe> ...turns out the CD was scratched! LOL
[09:42] <Arnia> holycow: Gnome now uses the freedesktop standard for this
[09:42] <marwat> hello
[09:42] <holycow> lunitik, oh? well thats not so bad then, that makes sense now
[09:42] <Arnia> holycow: I believe there are editors for these files
[09:42] <UBabe> I could have gotten a "hey! Your CD is fubar! get another one" but no, kept installing as if nothing was wrong :P
[09:42] <holycow> so we need to hack up a quick .desktop editor
[09:42] <holycow> or what Arnia said :)
[09:43] <holycow> thank you for the info!
[09:43] <drspin> anyone know how to use NvAGP instead of AGPGART
[09:43] <drspin> ?
 I got that, it won't launch for me
[09:43] <marwat> i have two questions regardings ubuntu...can somebody plz help?
[09:43] <EvilIdler> UBabe: You probably got the warning, but in a hidden log ;)
[09:44] <black_nightmare> hmm I tried something out of curiousity and.....
[09:44] <EvilIdler> drspin: Don't load AGPGART support, and read the docs on NVidia's pages. There's an option or two for your X config
[09:44] <andreiz> TwEeT, run skype in terminal. if any error should appear, you will see some message in console
[09:44] <black_nightmare> I did a 'eject dvdrom' and it said it could NOT find that -- but the drive is obviously right there on the tower [and even the tray ejects fine from the bezel controls] 
[09:45] <black_nightmare> I think ubuntu is getting screwy itself
[09:45] <black_nightmare> device manager shows both drives there already as well
[09:45] <andreiz> black_nightmare, no, ubuntu is getting better!
[09:45] <black_nightmare> andreiz..then mind explain why its not even ejecting the cdrw or finding the dvdrom DUHH?
[09:46] <black_nightmare> *sighs*
[09:46] <lunitik> black_nightmare: 'dvdrom' is defined? you didn't try using /dev/hdd (guess..) or /mount/dvdrom ?
[09:46] <black_nightmare> there's no disc in the dvdrom drive at all btw
[09:46] <andreiz> black_nightmare, did you unmount the cd drive ?
[09:46] <black_nightmare> the cdrw has a disc in it but refuses to eject at all even although when I try right-click the drive it only has option for either mount or eject
[09:47] <Arnia> lunitik: There is nothing in the standard that prevents customisation... just that customisation hasn't been done yet
[09:47] <lunitik> Arnia: s/hasn't been done/isn't possible without text files/
[09:48] <juliusk> Hail Ubuntu!
[09:48] <holycow> Arnia, thats what i took away from your comments about the freedesktop standard comment
[09:48] <black_nightmare> ok this better be worth one stupid disc... bootup is quite laggy slow
[09:49] <black_nightmare> bye now (going reboot then go do something else)
[09:49] <bogus> bb
[09:49] <holycow> always takes a while to build tools around those standards and practices
[09:50] <Arnia> lunitik: Text files are an information serialisation... no reason for tools not to be created
[09:51] <Arnia> holycow: Yes... but its worth it IMO
[09:51] <lunitik> Arnia: point is... they haven't been yet!
[09:52] <Arnia> lunitik: Yes... time-based releases sometimes mean that features don't make the freeze
[09:52] <Arnia> lunitik: I may go and ask about this though...
[09:53] <lunitik> Arnia: time-based without allowing for such things... are retarded...
[09:53] <centrion> hey, I was wonder if anyone could help me with a problem with X, when I startx under a normal user it give me the error:  "xauth: error in locking authority file /home/centrion/.Xauthority
[09:53] <lunitik> Arnia: such a small thing... along with everything else you can't do from GNOME (like changing colors of a theme) is pityful
[09:54] <osity> Do most servers have onboard video?
[09:54] <lunitik> Arnia: just plain annoying...
[09:54] <Arnia> lunitik: Most users don't need such features. They're confusing and out-of-domain. Would you hold up an entire release for them?
[09:54] <Arnia> Decisions have to be made, and I'm glad they ARE made rather than being put off
[09:55] <lunitik> Arnia: targeting users ... and assuming these users won't want to do these things... is wrong... not all users are morons.
[09:55] <randabis> hey guys, new nvidia drivers are in hoary now
[09:55] <randabis> :)
[09:55] <randabis> 71.64
[09:56] <zenrox> yep
[09:56] <lunitik> Arnia: but I guess... for the non-moronic user... there is KDE  :/
[09:56] <Arnia> lunitik: Its not about intelligence. Its about skill sets.
[09:56] <drspin> what is the best way to stop AGPGART from loading during boot -- remove the alias?? add to blacklist??
[09:56] <Bazzi> theming a desktop is like lowest possible priority
[09:56] <andreiz> what do you like better ? gnome or kde ?
[09:56] <EvilIdler> drspin: modconf, if it's a module
[09:57] <Bazzi> If they held hoary from releasing for that, I'd frankly kick their butt
[09:57] <drspin> EvilIdler: thanks
[09:57] <lunitik> andreiz: the one that lets me do what I want to do.
[09:57] <holycow> lunitik Arnia: time-based without allowing for such things... are retarded...  <-- this is completely wrong and irresponsible to say
[09:57] <holycow> you either have a time based release or a feature based release
[09:57] <holycow> you can't get both
[09:58] <drspin> EvilIdler: "command not found" "No manual entry for modconf"
[09:58] <holycow> look at microsoft
[09:58] <LinuxJones> drspin, modconf is not included with Ubuntu
[09:58] <holycow> theoretically they have 52 billion in cash in the bank and they can't even get their own os out the door on time with all the features
[09:58] <Arnia> lunitik: Several of my friends are geniuses on their way to doctorates in the most abstract fields... yet they can't use something like KDE. Why? Its not a skill set they have any desire in using. They care about *their* domains. Don't belittle their intelligence. Its simply that they're smart enough to want to focus on what they care about, and expect their computer to help them without getting in their way.
[09:58] <holycow> how can you possible expect a tiny little linux project to do the same?
[09:58] <lunitik> holycow: look at how Fedora releases... its time-based... but they are allowing for OpenOffice (and GNOME in the past) ... major things... and things that will add annoyance... are worthy to slide release...
[09:58] <LeeJunFan> holycow: and in the end there will probably be features they drop between now and final release of longhorn.
[09:58] <holycow> its irrational and irresponsible to have such expectation
[09:59] <holycow> LeeJunFan, exactly
[09:59] <holycow> lunitik, fedora sucks
[09:59] <Bazzi> :-/
[09:59] <lunitik> holycow: your opinion is noted
[09:59] <lunitik> holycow: thanks for sharing
[09:59] <Bazzi> well, "use fedora then" rule applies ;)
[09:59] <LeeJunFan> holycow: any desktop that replaces standard icons with stars,hats or lizards sucks. :)
[09:59] <lunitik> holycow: its funny though... they have more GNOME devels than Ubuntu...  :/
[09:59] <holycow> lol c'mon, you can't seroiusly be holding up fedora as an example to follow?
[10:00] <holycow> lunitik, well of course, they all work for redhat
[10:00] <Xira> fedora is just a testing bed for rhel..
[10:00] <lunitik> holycow: ...
[10:00] <lunitik> Xira: and a very nice distro to boot...
[10:00] <Xira> I prefer ubuntu
[10:00] <Xira> I migrated from fedora to ubuntu a few days ago
[10:00] <holycow> lunitik, i'm not berrating your opinion, i understand where you are coming from
[10:01] <juliusk> so is ubuntu better than fedore? I never tried fedora but I thought it wouldnt be that much different from ubuntu (except for the thing that ubuntu is debian based)
[10:01] <centrion> hey, I was wonder if anyone could help me with a problem with X, when I startx it gives me the error:  "xauth: error in locking authority file /home/centrion/.Xauthority
[10:01] <drspin> LinuxJones: so what is an alternative to modconf or what would the best way to stop AGPGART from loading during boot
[10:01] <holycow> i really think you need to be a wee bit more open minded about this stuff, it's not a race really, we're all going in the same direction
[10:01] <juliusk> centrion: try to rename/remove that file and then log in again... or set permissions for it again
[10:01] <demha> ubuntu is /me wants to be belittled
[10:01] <randabis> juliusk: that "debian thing" makes a big difference
[10:01] <demha> :P
[10:01] <Xira> juliusk, I reccomend ubuntu over fedora
[10:02] <EvilIdler> drspin: I think you need to do some scary kernel recompilation :)
[10:02] <Bazzi> juliusk frankly, that fedora yum/rpm package management sucked for me. I installed fc3 for testing, yum refused to work, GUI installer took ages to load data, eventually wasnt able to upgrade anything at all.
[10:02] <LinuxJones> drspin, I have same problem and can't find out where agpgart is being called or if it's being loaded as part of another module dependency. It
[10:02] <juliusk> randabis: for sure, I can't live without apt-get :P
[10:02] <Arnia> I get annoyed when people call those who don't care about the computer operation domain (quite sensibly IMO) 'morons'
[10:02] <lunitik> juliusk: Ubuntu is still trying to catch up with Fedora in many aspects... all the sound issues wouldn't happen on Fedora... the boot splash crap people ask about - already in Fedora... the boot time increases were due to Fedora setting a challenge...
[10:02] <Xira> yum is eh...
[10:02] <demha> LinuxJones, what's the prob ?
[10:02] <LinuxJones> drspin, it's a retarded way to do it but I just renamed the module itself :(
[10:02] <randabis> juliusk: me either since portage keeps getting worse
[10:02] <centrion> juliusk I remove the .Xauthority file, but it still give mt the same error, what permissions should it be set too?
[10:02] <drspin> LinuxJones: /etc/modprobe.d/aliasis
[10:03] <LinuxJones> demha, disabling agpgart from bootup I don't know where it's getting loaded from
[10:03] <holycow> fedora isn't even a real distro, its a testbed and a way for redhat and a way for their mba's buy back some community cred
[10:03] <Bazzi> I just hope ubuntu sticks with the slim layout... 550MB ISO is preferable over a 3GB monstrousity such as fedora
[10:03] <holycow> and your right
[10:03] <holycow> lots of cool things happening in fedora sure
[10:03] <LinuxJones> drspin, I am sure I tried that
[10:03] <lunitik> Arnia: everyone wants to customize there desktop... to make it more comfortable for them to use... its usually the first thing people will do when they sit at a new box they know is theres...
[10:03] <juliusk> centrion: I don't really know how to use the chown command, but I guess you have to set read/write permissions for the owner of the file
[10:03] <demha> LinuxJones, what's ur spec ? amd64 ?
[10:03] <lunitik> Arnia: for you to argue that... makes you a moron too
[10:03] <demha> LinuxJones, iommu _NEEDS_ agpgart
[10:03] <LinuxJones> demha, no crappy 1.7 amd intel with via chipset
[10:04] <holycow> lunitik, no you're basically saying something really dumb
[10:04] <LinuxJones> demha, sorry amd processor
[10:04] <holycow> your argument is ubuntu should be llike fedora
[10:04] <holycow> the answer is no it shouldn't
[10:04] <lunitik> holycow: no...
[10:04] <juliusk> does anybody know where I can find screenshots of the new xfce file manager?
[10:04] <holycow> your just being unrealistic about this
[10:04] <EvilIdler> chown user.group file
[10:04] <demha> LinuxJones, that's in "Processor type and features"
[10:04] <demha> LinuxJones, check your config
[10:04] <LinuxJones> demha, ahhh
[10:04] <LinuxJones> demha, ty :)
[10:05] <Xira> Fedora is redhat based
[10:05] <lunitik> holycow: I stated an example that works... sliding a release because of things that are worthy... the mid-ground between time based and feature based release cycles...
[10:05] <Xira> Ubuntu is debian based
[10:05] <demha> LinuxJones, np ! had this problem a few months ago when i was trying to disable agpgart for fglrx
[10:05] <Xira> 'nuff said.
[10:05] <Arnia> Wow... first time I've ever been called that. I'm taking it as a compliment. If an argument comes down to "you're stupid, nyah nyah nyah" I feel complimented.
[10:05] <EvilIdler> juliusk: xfce.org
[10:05] <demha> LinuxJones, gotta watch out for dependencies in the kernel
[10:05] <LinuxJones> demha, I need to do the same thing with nvidia
[10:05] <osity> Hey ...Do most servers have onboard video?
[10:06] <Xira> I don't think it's very debateable which repos are better bewtween fedora and ubuntu.. the answer is pretty obvious
[10:06] <holycow> lunitik, okay well lets agree to disagree :)
[10:06] <lunitik> Arnia: sit down 10 people... and tell them to get comfortable with a desktop... the very least they will do is change the background... probably change the theme...
[10:06] <juliusk> lunitik: sound problems HAVE to get fixed in ubuntu. it's not that it doesnt work well, but it can be improved. Windows users (and I'm sure mac too) are used not to have problems with the sound, and many apps can make sound at once, something that doesnt happen in ubuntu now in most of cases
[10:06] <juliusk> evilldler: thx
[10:06] <Arnia> lunitik: Yes... and how does Gnome prevent that?
[10:06] <lunitik> Arnia: they don't give you the ability to customize most things  :/
[10:06] <UBabe> MAn theres a heap of XMMS plugins out there, now all i needs a decent mixing application, and im set! :)
[10:07] <holycow> lunitik, thats so stupid
[10:07] <UBabe> anyone know of any?
[10:07] <andreiz> did you ever need to edit some ascii file directly over ftp by using nautilus. did you manage somehow to open the file in write mode ? please tell me if so...
[10:07] <demha> can anyone help me create a fglrx-8.12b2 deb package ?
[10:07] <randabis> juliusk: yeah, it is a problem. better support for generic sound cards is needed. users with creative cards tend to have the best luck
[10:07] <EvilIdler> osity: If you build a server with a mobo that has onboard video, it has onboard video ;)
[10:07] <Arnia> It provides a very nice theme manager... creating a coherent and usable theme is a specialised task. Gnome makes it easy to choose a theme but hard to mess up usability due to lacking those specialisms
[10:07] <randabis> UBabe: a mixing application? what do you mean?
[10:07] <holycow> i'm taking that your a tweaker and like to get in an muck about infinately with config stuff?
[10:08] <osity> evilidler: are there any drawbacks to that?
[10:08] <UBabe> randabis: ever heard of DJ turntables?
[10:08] <lunitik> holycow: try it... I've done it with 23 people... about 19 changed as much as they could... and the ones that didn't were failing there classes  :/
[10:08] <holycow> if thats the case then gnome definately isn't for you, you chose kde correctly
[10:08] <randabis> UBabe: yes! :)
[10:08] <holycow> lunitik, i'm cio here
[10:08] <holycow> i have 4 pilot projects with debian
[10:08] <lunitik> holycow: cool
[10:08] <osity> evilidler: I'm just building a couple new amd servers for ubuntu
[10:08] <EvilIdler> osity: For a server, running a Unixoid, a graphics card isn't a requirement
[10:08] <UBabe> randabis: where you play music from two record players, then get them to match the beats in order to make continuous music?
[10:08] <demha> can anyone help me create a fglrx-8.12b2 deb package ? (and they will get the beta package too ... ?)
[10:08] <randabis> UBabe: I believe there are a few things out there for that...hydrogen will do drum loops for instance
[10:08] <EvilIdler> osity: It won't do any good or bad if you have one of any sort
[10:08] <juliusk> randabis: I still don't even know if my sound card is capable of that hardware mixing thing. I mean, in windows I've always got it working. But I'm glad my sound card works, back in year 2000 I had a very good computer and the sound didn't even work :(
[10:08] <holycow> trust me, your definition of 'customizability' does not even come close to what 'real' users do
[10:08] <dayson> Hey I'm new to linux and I have a question, I'm trying to install teamspeak and the file name ends in tar.bz2 what do I do to install this file?
[10:09] <osity> evilidler: do sempron cpu work ok on ubuntu?
[10:09] <UBabe> randabis: all i want it a digital version of that, but for Linux. I found one that dindt work so well, im after a better one.
[10:09] <holycow> meaning that they change a wallpaper and they would be lucky to clue in that you can change the theme
[10:09] <holycow> you are way overstating your case
[10:09] <lunitik> holycow: I've seen it in action... how can you argue a fact?
[10:09] <andreiz> UBabe, mabe xmms-crossfade will fit your needs
[10:09] <EvilIdler> dayson: tar jxvf filename.tar.bz2 to decompress
[10:09] <randabis> osity: yes they work
[10:09] <Arnia> lunitik: What was your sample?
[10:09] <dirKai> how do I change the initial background colour of Ubuntu's GNOME (brown)-- the one before the splash screen comes up
[10:09] <holycow> lol well i cant argue yoru saying dumb things
[10:09] <Nakah> can somebody help me plz ? I have troubles with matroxfb and xorg, when I disable the matroxfb module in the kernel, my monitor's geometry is perfect with Xorg. But when I use the matroxfb module, the geometry is disformed
[10:09] <dirKai> I ask because the rest of my general theme is blue
[10:09] <lunitik> Arnia: college students... all knew to GNOME and Linux in general.
[10:10] <dirKai> and the brown just ruins the effect
[10:10] <DocUb> Dirkai: right click, then select "Change Background" and there it will show you
[10:10] <UBabe> andreiz, downloading that among other plugins, will that slow down/speed up certain MP3 files though?
[10:10] <EvilIdler> osity: Don't see why it shouldn't. Not my first choice for a server, though
[10:10] <randabis> UBabe: check out hydrogen for drum loops...all I can suggest is search through the universe repository for sound editing tools for what you're after
[10:10] <osity> does anyone know what would happen if you just updatd the cpu in an ubuntu server?  Would it be ok?
[10:10] <UBabe> Im after somethig like Tracktor but for Linux.
[10:10] <Arnia> lunitik: Ok... more precise please. What degrees were they doing? Computer Science? Classics? Physics? English?
[10:10] <Xira> Another flawless Ubuntu update. :D
[10:10] <lunitik> Arnia: Computer Science
[10:10] <DocUb> Dirkai, be sure you do it on the desktop
[10:10] <osity> evilidler: what would ya recommned?
[10:10] <holycow> lunitik, hahaha, those aren't real people
[10:10] <holycow> c'mon
[10:10] <juliusk> for example, I don't understand how the sound system works in linux. Guess I'll read some documentation to try to understand it a lil' bit better. Besides the drivers problem, I don't know why there's not a sound daemon that takes care of ALL the sounds, so all apps can make sound at once. This is, I'd like to listen to my incoming message alerts in gaim when I'm listening to music (doesnt always happend)
[10:10] <andreiz> UBabe, although i did not use it, i think it does not have that functionality. i know what you are talking about..
[10:10] <Arnia> lunitik: So these are people who's natural task domain tends to be computer operation
[10:10] <osity> evilidler: maybe 2200 barton?
[10:11] <DocUb> or you can do it by right clicking on an image you want on the internet and select Action > Set as Background
[10:11] <Arnia> lunitik: That does not detract from my argument one iota
[10:11] <EvilIdler> osity: If you're buying new, any non-FX AMD64
[10:11] <Xira> juliusk, you need to enable sound mixing
[10:11] <Nakah> can somebody help me plz ? I have troubles with matroxfb and xorg, when I disable the matroxfb module in the kernel, my monitor's geometry is perfect with Xorg. But when I use the matroxfb module, the geometry is disformed
[10:11] <lunitik> Arnia: about 4 of the 20 were _actually_ competent with computer use...
[10:11] <dirKai> DocUb: will try that. I've been on WindowMaker for about 4 years now, so utterly clueless about GNOME at the moment. Thanks.
[10:11] <osity> evilidler: too much cash for a test project
[10:11] <DocUb> np
[10:12] <dayson> EvilIdler, okay so I did the tar jxvf thing so now it should be installed? if so where do I find it to run it?
[10:12] <juliusk> Xira, will sound mixing, fix for example, the fact that I have to do a "killall esd" each time I want to use skype?
[10:12] <Xira> oh
[10:12] <EvilIdler> osity: Any XP will be fine, then, and fast. I'm not 100% sure of speeds on those Semprons, so I can't say
[10:12] <Xira> heh
[10:12] <Xira> juliusk, can we take this up in query?
[10:12] <EvilIdler> dayson: No, that just decompresses it. Now CD into the directory it just created, and read the readme
[10:12] <lunitik> Arnia: competent in my view though... they all passed the classes... but most didn't really have any idea what they were doing...
[10:12] <juliusk> xira : oki :P
[10:13] <holycow> lunitik, you are still making no real point
[10:13] <dayson> EvilIdler, how do I know what dir?
[10:13] <holycow> so people like to change wallpaper
[10:13] <DocUb> might need a ubuntu-help channel
[10:13] <Arnia> lunitik: So? The domain they wish to learn is computer operation. That means they have expectations of what they should do, what they should try. People from other domains would never even consider it
[10:13] <holycow> so what?
[10:13] <holycow> what COULDN'T they config then?
[10:13] <EvilIdler> dayson: Did lots of text fly by when you untarred?
[10:13] <holycow> whats your point?
[10:13] <dayson> EvilIdler, yes
[10:13] <holycow> Arnia, exactly
[10:13] <Arnia> They aren't stupid just cos they don't want to change everything or learn how
[10:13] <holycow> real people don't even know you can change themes
[10:13] <EvilIdler> dayson: First part before the slash is the directory, then
[10:13] <Nakah> can somebody help me plz ? I have troubles with matroxfb and xorg, when I disable the matroxfb module in the kernel, my monitor's geometry is perfect with Xorg. But when I use the matroxfb module, the geometry is disformed
[10:13] <EvilIdler> dayson: Typically programname-version.revision/
[10:14] <lunitik> Arnia: I think you've read too much into GNOME in general...
[10:14] <Arnia> I also am firmly of the belief that they shouldn't be made to learn eeither
[10:14] <Arnia> lunitik: How so?
[10:14] <lunitik> Arnia: because you are pretty much stating their opinion on these matters... but yet you have no use cases to state of your own
[10:15] <dayson> EvilIdler, okay I found the dir and the sh file and installed thanks man
[10:15] <holycow> lunitik, haha no he isn't
[10:15] <Arnia> I do usability work... I started using Gnome because I got pissed off with KDE precisely because I have these opinions
[10:15] <holycow> your just doing the first year compsci student thing
[10:15] <DocUb> Naka, do a search for: Matroxfb and Xorg kernel issues
[10:15] <EvilIdler> dayson: Goodie :)
[10:15] <holycow> your smart and feel you know everything
[10:15] <Arnia> I used to be a rabid KDE supporter
[10:15] <Nakah> where ?
[10:15] <dirKai> Well, it was a good idea, but the background is still brown when GNOME first loads. I presume it's related to the GNOME splash screen in some way (which is apparently themable, from some premptory searches on Google)
[10:15] <DocUb> On google.com
[10:15] <holycow> what we are trying to tell you is your opinion isn't rounded with enough experience
[10:16] <holycow> Arnia, me too, i still love kde
[10:16] <ulisse> hi all!
[10:16] <Bob__> I run into a problem booting the live cd (5.04): vmlinuz loads, initrd.gz loads, I get a prompt after those two lines that says "Ready." and nothing after that (keyboard leds do not respond to numlock etc., only thing that helps out is the reset button...) anyone got a clue how to see what's messing up ?
[10:16] <Nakah> I didn't found anything
[10:16] <Arnia> I've gone off it... from an API point of view I prefer toolkits that allow more idiomatic libraries
[10:16] <lunitik> Arnia: I have sat people down and asked them to do things on KDE and on GNOME... most got into KDE far easier...
[10:17] <Arnia> I believe that is vital to encourage the use of the right language for the job without risking bugs due to expectation mismatch
[10:17] <ulisse> I have a little question...
[10:17] <holycow> lunitik, thats mostly because you prefer kde and your teaching steered them in that way
[10:17] <Arnia> lunitik: Funny... I've done the same and Gnome has come out on top. I suspect its to do with demonstrator guidance. We like one, so we demonstrate the one we like better
[10:17] <holycow> i run people gnome exclusively, they get a 5minute tutorial
[10:17] <holycow> we get 0 phone calls
[10:18] <dirKai> Bob__: Might be a lot of things. Any chance you've got a buggy USB controller? I remember back a few kernel versions ago my thinkpad would hardlock if I ran a kernel with UHCI support compiled in.
[10:18] <dirKai> Bob__: ...for instance.
[10:18] <ulisse> if I an application hangs keeping the control of keyboard, what could I do before hitting reset?
[10:18] <holycow> your comparison is invalid because for several reasons: you don't really have a goal to test for and its not a controlled situation.
[10:18] <lunitik> holycow: no... I sat them down and said "Change the desktop"... "Start the Web Browser"... things like this... and watched to see how long it took...
[10:18] <apokryphos> Arnia: Would perhaps be interesting to have no person guiding
[10:18] <holycow> you interpretation of your results naturally fit your own bias
[10:18] <Bob__> dirKai: could be, this is an old machine ('99), should try disabling usb probing
[10:18] <dirKai> Bob__: you might
[10:18] <holycow> *cough* bullshit *cough*
[10:19] <apokryphos> Arnia: In general I think it would vary
[10:19] <lunitik> holycow: I did _NO_ guiding at all... and as far as I know... none had used GNOME or KDE before...
[10:19] <holycow> i do the same
[10:19] <holycow> people open up applications men and go, oh this makes sense
[10:19] <Arnia> apokryphos: It would indeed... there are some usability labs I may be able to book. I might design some tests if I can
[10:19] <holycow> your biased, admit it
[10:19] <Bob__> dirKai: will try now :) thanks
[10:19] <holycow> i'm biased toward gnome, i have no qualms about that
[10:19] <apokryphos> Arnia: That dedicated, eh? ;-)
[10:19] <lunitik> holycow: no... I'm not.
[10:19] <dirKai> Bob__: just a thought, it's all that popped into my head. Also possibly nix ACPI.
[10:20] <holycow> lol thats the first evidence of bias, lack of awareness of it
[10:20] <Arnia> apokryphos: I'm someone who always seeks to back up his arguments and improve failings in systems I care about.
[10:20] <LeeJunFan> man, what's the big effen deal? Some people prefer linux, some windows, some debian, some redhat, some bash, some gui, some gnome, some kde - get over it all!
[10:20] <brainZzZ> with some intergrated systems it is near impossible to fix things without replacing the entire board or wasting countless manhours to bypass the part which cost more then the dam child who assembled it in china :)
[10:20] <apokryphos> Arnia: Both admirable qualities, to be sure.
[10:20] <dayson> EvilIdler, hey another quick question how do I change directories to get to my cdrom drive?
[10:20] <neighborlee> is resierfs with hoary RC considered stable to be reccommended as well as ext3 and if so is it version 4 which supposed is the best one ? ( supposedly reiserfs4 is unbreakable )
[10:20] <EvilIdler> dayson: Is it mounted?
[10:20] <ulisse> I.E.: If I run Blender with my poor graphicard, it often freezes, so I ctrl-alt-F2 and kill it from the terminal...
[10:20] <holycow> lunitik, our pilot projects here are deliberately skewed to favour gnome
[10:20] <fraggsta> neighborlee, works fine here
[10:21] <dayson> EvilIdler, I dont think so cause its not on my desktop
[10:21] <apokryphos> Arnia: You'd probably have to do that testing on a pretty large scale for it to have any real significance
[10:21] <kbrede> dayson, cd /media/cdrom0 or cd /cdrom
[10:21] <ulisse> but if Blender freezes the keyboard too?
[10:21] <Bob__> dirKai: hmm, will try the usb thing first, although my normal debian install did have probs with acpi too, on my way to try now ;)
[10:21] <apokryphos> Arnia: Well, reasonably large at least. Would be interesting, I'm sure.
[10:21] <holycow> there is no pretention about it, and the users don't mind or care.  they do their work very successfully, which to be fair is an amazing realization for us
[10:21] <lunitik> holycow: bah... my bias is what is more usable... my opinion of usable is not "what is less confusing", but rather "what allows you to get the job done faster"...
[10:21] <holycow> we had no idea it would be this easy to deploy linux desktops
[10:21] <UBabe> gtg bbs
[10:21] <Arnia> apokryphos: I'm aware of that... I'm tempted to write a usability test suite that can be installed in the background of someone's system if they agree
[10:21] <holycow> lunitik, thats is your bias exactly
[10:21] <holycow> and it only applies to you, and maybe those that share your view
[10:21] <Arnia> apokryphos: That would deal with information collection... the problem is filtering bias
[10:22] <neighborlee> fraggsta, yeah I just concern because you see on forums of ubuntu that it can cause data corruption on power outage for example but I  hear that reiser '4' is stable possibly and just wondered what version hoary RC had ;-)
[10:22] <demha> anyone know why my apt-get update is quiting with "mailto:ftp://lnxbta10r:iz192JAQ@ftp.atitech.com/" ?
[10:22] <holycow> the world however, does not revolve around you or me, and hense we are equally right and wrong, simultaneously
[10:22] <apokryphos> Arnia: I think it would be pretty problematic to prove that a paritcular desktop environment was more inviting in some sort of intersubjective way. I predict the results would vary, but hey. You'll have to let me know how it goes. :)
[10:22] <Dreamer3_> ok, i know there is a simple theme selector tool for gtk1, what is it called?
[10:22] <lunitik> holycow: but I did not ask questions that were biassed... and the subjects were not biassed because most didn't even know what KDE or GNOME were...  :/
[10:23] <drspin> ok I was able to not use AGPGART at bootup but now I have all kinds of stuff in DMESG
[10:23] <Arnia> lunitik: Its not about "what is less confusing"... its about minimising the skills a user has to learn so that they can become productive faster and remain productive. So they feel that their environment corresponds to their expectations.
[10:23] <drspin> anyone wanna take a stab at telling me where it came from?
[10:23] <fraggsta> neighborlee, yes it *can* cause filesystem corruption but like most arguments brought up in filesystem debates that's extremely rare.  I think it's reiser4 that hoary has (and you really *shouldn't* use reiserfs >4)
[10:23] <demha> anyone know why my apt-get update is quiting with "Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  MD5Sum mismatch"
[10:23] <holycow> lol whatever
[10:24] <Bazzi> demha well, md5 sum mismatched ;)
[10:24] <Bazzi> demha bad download likely.
[10:24] <EvilIdler> demha: What package is it failing on? I've had a few mismatches myself
[10:24] <demha> yes but yyyyyyy ?
[10:24] <Arnia> lunitik: Gnome does not do this perfectly, neither does KDE. But KDE goes a different route, trying different things. I happen to feel that these are the wrong things to do. But that is my bias. The KDE way in general doesn't make sense given my background knowledge whereas the Gnome way does. Others would have the opposite point of view
[10:25] <EvilIdler> I think a bad upload is likely, actually
[10:25] <demha> EvilIdler, what do you mean ?
[10:25] <Dalkus> I have a problem with dist-upgrading
[10:25] <Dalkus> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[10:25] <Arnia> apokryphos: Hey, it would be a nice product for my business since we do some usability work :)
[10:25] <Dalkus> I get that while doing dist-uprade *and* apt-get upgrade
[10:25] <Dalkus> What do I do?
[10:25] <demha> Dalkus, tried apt-get update ?
[10:25] <Bazzi> Dalkus update not upgrade
[10:25] <Dalkus> yes
[10:25] <DocUb> ;)
[10:26] <EvilIdler> demha: The files in question have somehow been corrupted, either on the way to the server, or while you downloaded
[10:26] <randabis> Dalkus: check you repositories
[10:26] <Dalkus> What am I looking for ?
[10:26] <randabis> post /etc/apt/sources.list in #flood or at pastebin.com
[10:26] <Dalkus> Ok, I'll post in flood
[10:26] <DocUb> Dalkus: Synaptic
[10:26] <DocUb> wait
[10:26] <demha> EvilIdler, i've tried my gb server AND main server ?
[10:27] <DocUb> Dulkas: System > Administration > Synaptic
[10:27] <EvilIdler> demha: I've tried the original source and my local mirror with similar problems
[10:27] <DocUb> apt is Synpatic
[10:27] <lunitik> Arnia: KDE is written for devels by devels... and is far more fashioned towards usage due to this... GNOME tries to target people it simply cannot understand, and ignores features users want because it doesn't fit that paradigm...
[10:27] <DocUb> use this to check on updates
[10:27] <demha> EvilIdler, how did you fix ?
[10:27] <EvilIdler> demha: Seems like a few packages are broken :/
[10:27] <demha> EvilIdler, i see
[10:27] <Dalkus> Yeah I know, but I don't like to use synpatic when I don't have to DocUb  :) Besides, it's the same as using apt
[10:27] <jnoreiko> I just found mail from root on my system, something about Debconf: Configuring x-ttcidfont-conf
[10:27] <DocUb> also, if you want to be specific on your finding, use the Find tool
[10:27] <Dalkus> it'll give the same error
[10:28] <EvilIdler> demha: I ignored them. Better wait for them to fix themselves ;)
[10:28] <jnoreiko> it's telling me to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[10:28] <demha> EvilIdler, heh fair enough
[10:28] <Dalkus> randabis, Pasted in #flood
[10:28] <lunitik> Arnia: granted that usage is very much targetted... but features people want get in a lot faster because the people that want them are able to submit it to the project... GNOME rejects things I can't live without based on usability...
[10:29] <demha> EvilIdler, guess what ?!
[10:29] <Arnia> lunitik: Why can it not understand these users which aren't developers?
[10:29] <lunitik> (most noticeably recently... right-click desktop for menu..)
[10:29] <demha> EvilIdler, it's fixed
[10:29] <Bazzi> What if there are people who think KDE's usability isnt good?
[10:29] <Arnia> lunitik: Features != improvement
[10:29] <lunitik> Arnia: because its not them
[10:29] <randabis> Dalkus: I don't see anything unusual...what is the entire error when it tells you to apt-get update?
[10:29] <EvilIdler> demha: Whee! apt-get update time again
[10:29] <Arnia> Sorry does not entail rather than does not equal
[10:29] <lunitik> Arnia: if said feature works around an annoyance... it sure does though
[10:30] <Arnia> lunitik: So are you saying that desktop environments shouldn't bother to be usable to non-techies?
[10:30] <holycow> Arnia, it's a pointless argument, its a first year smartass type of situation, he's dug him invested so much into his opinion he won't even consider the possibility of an alternative
[10:30] <Dalkus> It complains about not being able to conenct to one of the mirrors, I've taken it out and am trying dist-upgrade again, randabis
[10:30] <Dalkus> No, I get this error now:
[10:30] <lunitik> Arnia: I feel like I have to learn to be stupid to use GNOME... I told myself "this is good for you" because I tried to buy into the hype... but its just annoying
[10:30] <Dalkus> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[10:30] <roo_> mauropm, fatality!
[10:30] <Dalkus> Three lines with same error
[10:30] <juliusk> I have both gnome and kde installed on my system. For sound in KDE, I use OSS output. But I can't hear sounds from gaim though. If I install artsd, will it override any gnome settings or something? I don't want any conflicts between sound daemons :S since in gnome it works pretty weel
[10:30] <juliusk> well*
[10:30] <Xira> How do I start esd again?
[10:31] <roo_> Xira, "killall esd && esd" ?
[10:31] <lunitik> Arnia: I'm saying if they want to be usable to non-techies... they ought to listen more to said group...
[10:31] <roo_> Xira, sorry, "sudo killall esd && esd" ?
[10:31] <Xira> thx
[10:31] <randabis> Dalkus: that's nothing to be too concerned about
[10:31] <holycow> lunatik haha you are a retard :)
[10:31] <holycow> i hope you pass your courses
[10:31] <holycow> hehe
[10:31] <Dalkus> It's holding back on the last package, randabis, which sounds pretty important :)
[10:32] <Dalkus> The following packages have been kept back:
[10:32] <Dalkus>   x-window-system-cor
[10:32] <Arnia> holycow: Don't belittle someone you're arguing against. (it really pisses me off :)
[10:32] <lunitik> holycow: why are you even involving yourself in this discussion? I would hardly call your statements well thought of or intelligent either... just simple "your wrong" statements...
[10:32] <randabis> Dalkus: marillat's repository shouldn't be holding back x-window-system-core
[10:32] <holycow> whatever, he's being a prick deliberately
[10:32] <EvilIdler> It's xfce being held back here. You can usually apt-get install the packages, though
[10:32] <Arnia> holycow: In the end if he doesn't want to use Gnome, he doesn't have to. Just as I don't have to use KDE
[10:32] <holycow> it's not even a real discussion at all anymore
[10:32] <lunitik> holycow: only reason I am continuing is because Arnia actually appears intelligent!
[10:33] <holycow> touche
[10:33] <Dalkus> randabis, what should I do about the error?
[10:33] <dayson> EvilIdler, hey I rebooted and I still cant find any shortcuts for teamspeak on my menu yet it said it would put some there what should I do to get the program running?
[10:33] <holycow> the right answer is putting you on the ignore list
[10:33] <Arnia> lunitik: You called me a moron earlier
[10:33] <lunitik> holycow: Mine and his opinions differ... but at least he is doing a good job explaining his side...
[10:33] <Dalkus> Please don't argue in here about thigns that have nothing to do with helping people
[10:33] <Dalkus> Use another chan.
[10:33] <randabis> Dalkus: there's a way to fix it, but it's drawn out. The GPG error is not a big deal
[10:33] <apokryphos> Arnia: more KDE debates? ;-)
[10:33] <EvilIdler> dayson: Teamspeak updates slowly, so I bet they are using some old system for adding menus that Ubuntu doesn't use anymore
[10:33] <Dalkus> Okay, thanks randabis
[10:33] <Dalkus> :)
[10:33] <lunitik> Arnia: no... I said if you don't believe that users like to customize things to make themselves more comfortable in an environment, you are a moron...
[10:33] <holycow> nice try frat boy :)
[10:34] <EvilIdler> dayson: I can't run Teamspeak, so I have no idea why it doesn't do it right :/
[10:34] <apokryphos> lunitik: technically if he did believe that you would be calling him a moron. :P
[10:34] <dayson> EvilIdler, okay then where do I go to add it myself or at least start the program
[10:34] <Arnia> apokryphos: This is becoming a bad habit ;) But I'll defend my beliefs rationally ;)
[10:34] <drspin> I don't notice much of a difference not using AGPGART
[10:34] <lunitik> Arnia: either way, your intelligence far outdoes holycow's right now.
[10:34] <abdllah> 
[10:34] <fraggsta> it depends what kind of users they are really..many people will NEVER change their desktop from the default configuration and will freak out if you ever do so much as move an icon on the desktop
[10:35] <EvilIdler> dayson: Use whatever menu updating method your desktop system requires. Settings->Menu editor for KDE, some other thing for Gnome, right-click an available spot on XFCE..
[10:35] <randabis> or me, who will freak if you put an icon on my desktop
[10:35] <randabis> I hate icons on the desktop
[10:35] <Arnia> It does raise an interesting point for Ubuntu though
[10:35] <mirak> is there a wway to change the cache size for asynchronous mountings of devices ?
[10:35] <EvilIdler> Icons on the desktop is a filthy habit.
[10:35] <mirak> I have a usb1 device, and I feel the cache si way to big
[10:35] <dayson> EvilIdler, I take it you use KDE? I'm in gnome right now but I dont know much about KDE but I did install it yesterday
[10:35] <holycow> lol lunitik, your entire argument so far has been your right everyone is wrong
[10:36] <Arnia> Should Ubuntu do its own usability testing? If it does and it finds other defaults are more sensible for more people, should it make changes upstream or just in Ubuntu?
[10:36] <apokryphos> lunitik: what are you trying to demonstrate?
[10:36] <apokryphos> whoops
[10:36] <apokryphos> holycow: what are you trying to demonstrate?
[10:36] <LinuxJones> Guys please take your arguments elsewhere please !!
[10:36] <EvilIdler> dayson: I use a bit of everything. My fave is still XFCE, no matter how fast this 'puter is :)
[10:36] <dayson> EvilIdler, actually I dont know much about anything on linux really, just trying to migrate over from windows
[10:36] <lunitik> holycow: I haven't once said that... I have stated an opinion and supported it... not once have I said "you're wrong"...
[10:36] <holycow> apokryphos, my distate for first year students and their opinions :)
[10:36] <drspin> EvilIdler: I'll agree -- once a decent filemanager is there I'll probably use only XFCE
[10:36] <drspin> :)
[10:36] <EvilIdler> dayson: Migration is always..interesting
[10:37] <apokryphos> #ubuntu-offtopic is open as ever
[10:37] <dayson> EvilIdler, I thought I installed xfce but it says its not there when I try to choose my session
[10:37] <randabis> indeed
[10:37] <EvilIdler> drspin: I like Konqueror the way I have it now, strangely. *tiny* icons. But there are som many filemanagers :/
[10:37] <dayson> randabis, hey do you know how I can add teamspeak to my menu? I installed it but I cant find it anywhere and I have no idea how to get it running without an icon
[10:38] <EvilIdler> dayson: Session set up is my weak point. I haven't a clue lately :P
[10:38] <jnoreiko> is there a way to tell which process a window belongs to?
[10:38] <dayson> EvilIdler, okay thanks man I'll keep trying and see if anyone else might know
[10:38] <EvilIdler> dayson: With Gnome, I do it cheaply..
[10:38] <randabis> dayson: depends on what desktop environment you are using
[10:38] <lunitik> holycow: what company do you work for... if they allowed you to be CIO, I seriously need to avoid it ... you have done nothing but become disrespectful due to me not agreeing with you...
[10:39] <drspin> EvilIdler: I pretty ANTI-KDE... not because I don't appreciate it, I just think it's a very bloated desktop environment
[10:39] <dayson> randabis, gnome
[10:39] <EvilIdler> dayson: Start that session manager config thing, remove what you don't need..
[10:39] <lunitik> holycow: your debate skills are lacking a great deal
[10:39] <fr500> hey, has anyone experienced broken sound after apt-get upgrade?
[10:39] <holycow> lol you wouldn't even have a chance with an ego like that
[10:39] <lunitik> fr500: many have
[10:39] <dayson> EvilIdler, how do I start that?
[10:39] <drspin> fr500: I believe that nearly everyone did...
[10:39] <randabis> dayson: you'll need to obtain Amaranth's menu editor
[10:39] <holycow> you can't even begin to fathom the possibility of you both being right
[10:39] <brainZzZ> i think you construe "mention" in the sense of nearly everyone here mentioning what they do with "bragging" because you want to think i'm trying to impress you.
[10:39] <apokryphos> holycow: #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:39] <holycow> thats frightening
[10:39] <EvilIdler> drspin: I have no shortage of space, plus I'm a developer. Tends to help to see how things work in different environments
[10:39] <lunitik> holycow: I have no ego...
[10:39] <fr500> drspin, didn't happen on my laptop
[10:39] <fr500> only in my desktop
[10:39] <fr500> lunitik, any workarounds?
[10:39] <EvilIdler> dayson: Checking
[10:40] <Arnia> #ubuntu-offtopic please
[10:40] <drspin> EvilIdler: fair enough
[10:40] <lunitik> holycow: oh, I can... but you learn nothing of others opinions when you agree with them
[10:40] <e_machinist> lunitik, you have no ego? You must cease to exist before you can contain no ego.
[10:40] <EvilIdler> dayson: Run the program gnome-session-properties; it should have a similar name in the main config tool
[10:40] <lunitik> fr500: usually... /etc/init.d/alsa restart will fix it...
[10:40] <randabis> lego my eggo
[10:40] <queuetue> #ubuntu-can_it, please. :)
[10:41] <drspin> LMAO
[10:41] <randabis> hah
[10:41] <fr500> lunitik, i rebooted already
[10:41] <lunitik> e_machinist: I have pride... not an ego... I do not believe I am better or worse than anyone.
[10:41] <queuetue> plonk, plonk - it's  a twofer!
[10:41] <eric> hi all
[10:41] <randabis> lunitik: everyone has ego whether they want it or not
[10:41] <Arnia> Accept and move on :)
[10:42] <e_machinist> lunitik,  I never said that you did. We all have pride or ego... tis the nature of humanity.
[10:42] <randabis> ego != thinking you are better or worse than anyone
[10:42] <Dreamer3_> anyone know if it's possible to style buttons in gtk1 with themes?
[10:42] <dalkus_> Er, Ok I need help. I just did a dist-upgrade and X won't start
[10:42] <Arnia> Please...
[10:42] <lunitik> randabis: go look at a dictionary... ego and pride differ only in that one is stated obnoxiously.
[10:42] <fr500> lunitik, didnt work :(
[10:42] <EvilIdler> dalkus_: Take a look at the log. /var/log/X-something.0
[10:43] <queuetue> Shouldn't you guys be over in #fedora? :)
[10:43] <Arnia> ego: n. self, self-esteem
[10:43] <EvilIdler> Or #debian? They're quite obnoxious there ;)
[10:43] <apokryphos> hehe
[10:43] <randabis> lunitik: the self especially as contrasted with another self or the world
[10:43] <Arnia> (from the Little Oxford Dictionary)
[10:43] <dalkus_> I have an xfree and an xord log, EvilIdler
[10:43] <dalkus_> *org
[10:43] <e_machinist> I like the guys in #Debian... they are very helpful most of the time.
[10:43] <EvilIdler> dalkus_: ls -l both of them; the one with the most recent date is the one of your last attempt
[10:43] <lunitik> randabis: look at the other definitions...
[10:43] <Arnia> Never make a point unless you know the point you're making :)
[10:43] <Xappe> try #gentoo and you'll get totally flamed ;)
[10:44] <fraggsta> they must get annoyed with ubuntu users coming in and asking for help though
[10:44] <Arnia> lunitik: That was the only definition in the dictionary
[10:44] <eric> I have a problem with NFS server in  ubuntu; I just cant mount the exported filesystem.  Here is the problem; when on the ubuntu box i do mount localhost:/var/www /test, everything works, however when I do mount imac.local:/var/wwww /test I got RPC error on target host and connexion refused.  However, host imac.local give the same result as ifconfig for eth0
[10:44] <Arnia> Let me get another one
[10:44] <apokryphos> e_machinist: Try asking a question while they know you're on ubuntu :P
[10:44] <eric> anyone can help ?
[10:44] <lunitik> Arnia: www.dictionary.com
[10:44] <randabis> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
the one of the three divisions of the psyche in psychoanalytic theory that serves as the organized conscious mediator between the person and reality especially by functioning both in the perception of and adaptation to reality -- compare <A href="http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=id"><FONT size="-1">ID</FONT></A>, <A href="http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=superego"><FONT size="-1">
[10:44] <dalkus_> EvilIdler: Xorg log states 'no screens found'
[10:44] <randabis> wow
[10:44] <holycow> Xappe, are they more rabid there than #debian?
[10:44] <randabis> that did not come out as intended
[10:44] <randabis> sorry
[10:44] <holycow> hard to fathom :)
[10:44] <apokryphos> randabis: are you using konversation? ;-)
[10:44] <holycow> i like debianites, they very 'precise'
[10:44] <dayson> randabis, randabis okay I got the menu editor installed now what?
[10:45] <EvilIdler> dalkus_: Sounds like you might have a half-finished xorg.conf?
[10:45] <juliusk> DId you guys know that if you type "dict word" in firefox's adress bar it will look for that word @ dictionary.com? :P pretty damn useful
[10:45] <randabis> apokryphos: yeah :p I need to switch it to plain-text I suppose
[10:45] <fr500> lunitik, when i open vlume manager say no volume control elements or devices found
[10:45] <emacsen> Anyone have AMP (asterisk management portal) for Ubuntu?
[10:45] <dalkus_> EvilIdler: What was the command to automatically create it? dpkg-reconfigure something?
[10:45] <randabis> imho dictionary.com is crap
[10:45] <e_machinist> apokryphos, That I shall never do. I am aware of the Debian hostility towards spinoffs. haha.
[10:45] <apokryphos> randabis: when texting more than one line you can get a preview of how it will come out, if you like...
[10:45] <bur[n] er> anyone know about ubuntu + xfce status?
[10:45] <lunitik> fr500: ensure your sound card is loaded... 'lsmod | grep snd'
[10:45] <randabis> m-w.com > dictionary.com
[10:45] <EvilIdler> dalkus_: I think dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server might do it, ir whatever the packagename is
[10:45] <Arnia> I don't trust dictionary.com
[10:45] <jnoreiko> juliusk, you can create your own custom searches too
[10:46] <Arnia> I prefer my paper dictionaries
[10:46] <holycow> e_machinist, its not so much hostility against spinoffs but against their users going to #debian and asking for help :)
[10:46] <dalkus_> EvilIdler: thanks
[10:46] <apokryphos> e_machinist: I asked them how to "force apt-get", and they said "for what package?".. foudnd out I was on Ubuntu, and ouch. Could have cut the hostility in there with a knife
[10:46] <holycow> they are *very* specific :)
[10:46] <BubbaMarie> okay, i have rtfm on ndiswrapper and i'm stuck
[10:46] <BubbaMarie> its because of my newb status
[10:46] <EvilIdler> holycow: #debian has gone straight to Heck in the past couple of years :/
[10:46] <randabis> anyway, the ego is the self...without self you have no identify
[10:46] <randabis> identity anyway
[10:46] <dayson> randabis, hey I insatlled the menu editor now how do I add teamspeak? I'm new to linux so I have no idea what I'm doing
[10:47] <holycow> EvilIdler, well flamewars like this one now don't help channels like this either
[10:47] <randabis> dayson: I've never used it so I don't know
[10:47] <EvilIdler> holycow: True
[10:47] <randabis> I don't use gnome anymore
[10:47] <drspin> ICH4: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
[10:47] <drspin> should I be worried about this??
[10:47] <holycow> you guys are really great and liberal
[10:47] <dayson> any gnome users out there that can help me add some stuff to my menus?
[10:47] <juliusk> jnoreiko: with the search bar?
[10:47] <EvilIdler> I discovered I have a lurking AGPGART myself. Recompile time :/
[10:47] <dalkus_> Does anyone know the package name of Xorg server? I need to dpkg-reconfigure it but can't seem to guess the package name
[10:47] <drspin> dayson: applications:///
[10:47] <sono> dayson: warty or hoary?
[10:47] <fr500> lunitik, it's loaded, a lot of stuff at least
[10:48] <juliusk> xserver-xorg, dalkus_
[10:48] <dalkus_> thanks
[10:48] <fraggsta> "applications:///" is not a valid location.
[10:48] <zenrox> dayson,  read the forums for getting a 3rd party project called menu editor
[10:48] <holycow> drspin, that doesn't exist in hoary, just in case he's using that
[10:48] <dayson> sono, hoary
[10:48] <juliusk> applications:/// doesnt work anymore in gnome 2.10
[10:48] <drspin> LOL -- my bad ;)
[10:48] <BubbaMarie> i could help with the flamewar by giving you a linuxly challenged subject
[10:48] <juliusk> I wonder why
[10:48] <brainZzZ> ^^ just in case i forgot
[10:48] <dayson> drspin, what do you mean?
[10:48] <lunitik> fr500: you know what sound card you're using? ... does it appear to be in there? (snd_soundcard)
[10:48] <eric> anyone have an hint for the nfs problem stated above ?
[10:48] <sono> right juliusk, I was about to say that
[10:48] <fraggsta> so how *do* you get there in 2.10?
[10:48] <Arnia> ego. n. (philos) conscious thinking subject; (colloq) self. [The Consise Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology] 
[10:48] <holycow> juliusk, appearently something to do with supporting the freedesktop standards
[10:49] <drspin> dayson - not sure how to do it in hoary
[10:49] <fr500> lunitik, says snd_intel8x0
[10:49] <holycow> now they want all apps to drop .desktop files in the right place
[10:49] <Arnia> (now this is a really pointless argument... but I just spent my time looking it up)
[10:49] <fr500> i guess it's accurate since it's an intel mobo without additional cards
[10:49] <lunitik> fr500: if so... 'pkill -HUP esd && esd&' ... see if that works...
[10:49] <juliusk> holycow, that thing was very useful, although not perfect... but we have menu-editor now :)
[10:49] <apokryphos> "Ego" in Freud's theories is different to the conventional usage
[10:49] <holycow> and appearently no new editor has been created just yet
[10:49] <synd> hey guys, whats the apt-get to go from hoary to RC?
[10:49] <synd> upgrade to*
[10:49] <fr500> lunitik, naw
[10:49] <fr500> didnt work
[10:50] <fr500> worked fine till last night when i ran apt-get upgrade
[10:50] <randabis> holycow: actually, Amaranth has created a menu editor for gnome 2.10
[10:50] <dayson> drspin, okay, I have no idea how to do much on this thing, I'm all new to this stuff
[10:50] <lunitik> fr500: no idea then... same module in use here... works fine  :(
[10:50] <fr500> ok
[10:50] <fr500> tx
[10:50] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell holycow ubugnomemenu
[10:50] <Pyre> holycow: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo
[10:50] <holycow> randabis, really? oh cool!
[10:50] <moominski> hello all
[10:50] <randabis> I have never used his menu editor though so I can't instruct dayson on how to do it
[10:50] <Amaranth> randabis: 0.5 tomorrow, hopefully :)
[10:50] <synd> guys, whats the apt-get to go from hoary to RC
[10:50] <drspin> dayson: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo
[10:50] <Arnia> apokryphos: In Freud 'ego' is a positive thing... compared to 'superego' and 'id' at least
[10:51] <Amaranth> synd: apt-get upgrade
[10:51] <Amaranth> synd: or apt-get dist-upgrade for good measure
[10:51] <sono> dayson, try checking gnome-menu-editor @ www.gnomefiles.org
[10:51] <randabis> Amaranth: good job btw. I don't have a use for it, but it would be helpful if I was using gnome. :)
[10:51] <juliusk> I wonder if the applications:/// have something to do with the similarities with windows. I mean, the only way to manage menus in windows is by managing the app folders... but doesnt kde have a similar thing?
[10:51] <synd> Amaranth, thanks, will do
[10:52] <holycow> julius yeah kinda, but in the end you need a standard to agree to,  i seem to remember kde working with .desktop files too?
[10:52] <synd> Amaranth, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[10:52] <synd> Amaranth, does that mean ive upped to RC already?
[10:52] <holycow> been too long, i think the idea is that all desktops should be able to share a single appllications menu
[10:52] <Amaranth> synd: did you apt-get update first?
[10:52] <juliusk> holycow: yup I've seen many .desktop files lately :P
[10:52] <lunitik> synd: yes
[10:53] <juliusk> brb
[10:53] <holycow> apokryphos, thanks for that info, very usefull
[10:53] <synd> Amaranth, looks like i have upped already! thanks
[10:53] <apokryphos> np
[10:54] <supernova> can i use ubuntu like a web server? is it secure?
[10:54] <lunitik> supernova: its as secure as you make it... but yes
[10:55] <supernova> more than redhat or debian?
[10:55] <supernova> this is my first day on ubuntu :)
[10:55] <holycow> supernova, well basically they are all the same
[10:56] <cowbud> security comes from the admin not the distro..
[10:56] <jnoreiko> is it normal that gnome's file search tool can only search in my home folder?
[10:56] <holycow> you have lots of ways of firewalling it
[10:56] <supernova> yeah i kknow
[10:56] <holycow> the best way is using iptables, which i read yesterday ubuntu comes configured to listen to no outside ports?
[10:57] <holycow> so in other words it does have a firewall installed and configured it seems
[10:58] <grogoreo> hi
[10:58] <supernova> hi
[10:59] <holycow> the only other question left regarding security would be the ubuntu security team ... i haven't had time to investigate how that works
[10:59] <lunitik> holycow: for a desktop user... or someone that is apparently not used to iptables (else he wouldn't be asking this) ... firestarter is a good option... and no... Ubuntu's firewall is not configured... ie, there are no rules, there are just no services
[10:59] <grogoreo> After updating my xorg I no longer have have direct rendering. My xorg.conf was just a straight copy from the XFree86 one with a keyboard alteration. With the new xorg, will any of the config parameters be changed?
[10:59] <holycow> lunitik, i agree *nod*
[11:00] <delire_> lunitik: jeziz still lots of sound and direct rendering problems? do you think ppl are upgrading too early? (used to be a quiet chatty place ;)
[11:01] <DocUb> ;)
[11:01] <juliusk> how do I set my state back to normal? :P
[11:01] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:02] <bretzel> Hi again, Question: Where(what repository)  can I get xfwm4 (>=4.2.1-1) ???
[11:02] <lunitik> delire_: no real opinion... all such issues here were easy for me to resolve... but others - following the same exact routine I did - don't get corrected...  :/
[11:02] <lunitik> bretzel: if there is a .deb available... you'll find it on www.apt-get.org
[11:03] <delire_> lunitik: i think ubuntu needs to run an alsaconf script on install. also uto backup x.org +/or XF86Config-4 before an upgrade.
[11:03] <delire_> s/uto/auto
[11:03] <lunitik> bretzel: bah... actually... its in universe
[11:03] <bretzel> oh! thanks for the link: I may no more asking here for .debs ... :-) ;)
[11:03] <lunitik> heh... last time I checked on that, it was still at 4.0.6...
[11:03] <DocUb> it's at 4.2.1
[11:04] <lunitik> delire_: alsaconf isn't even in Ubuntu...
[11:04] <lunitik> DocUb: yeah... uhh... I just said that
[11:04] <DocUb> oh ok
[11:04] <DocUb> didn't see the top
[11:04] <DocUb> :)
[11:04] <lunitik> DocUb: and its at 4.2.1.1-2  :/
[11:04] <DocUb> there ya go
[11:04] <DocUb> lol
[11:05] <randabis> bretzel: xfce 4.2.1 is going to be added to hoary (if it hasn't been already)
[11:05] <Jad> dsa
[11:06] <lunitik> randabis: damn it man... I just said it is in universe...
[11:06] <lunitik> randabis: :P
[11:06] <neighborlee> i can't believe it..my torrent downloaded iso isn't verifying via md5sum :(..anyone else see this ?? ( my sum is: 0f3db2d8060de73d854147c5d84c2c71 : which doesn't match with the hoary-rc ISO)
[11:06] <randabis> lunitik: I must have missed that
[11:07] <synd> how can i get a mail notification in my panel?
[11:07] <synd> with evolution mail
[11:07] <tritium> synd, there's nothing integrated with evolution yet that does that
[11:07] <superted_> synd: nope, there is a bounty though if you fancy some hacking
[11:08] <synd> tritium, is there any mail app that does?
[11:08] <tritium> synd, yeah, there is at least one applet
[11:08] <synd> superted_, now i wish i paied attn in those damn programming classes
[11:08] <sfl> anyone here use driverloader with ubuntu?
[11:08] <synd> tritium, any suggestions?
[11:08] <superted_> synd: there exists a plugin that checks either a pop or mbox account, not with evolution
[11:08] <grogoreo> where can I generate a new xorg.conf?
[11:09] <billyoc> grogoreo: X -configure
[11:09] <tritium> synd, mail-notification is one
[11:09] <grogoreo> billyoc, thanks
[11:09] <synd> superted_, well i can easily change my pop conig over to this plug in and do away with evolution
[11:09] <synd> tritium, apt-get?
[11:09] <tritium> synd, yes, in universe
[11:09] <lunitik> grogoreo: you removed the file? cuz that won't recreate it...
[11:09] <black_Nightmare> I was right... ubuntu was a bit screwed up with the drives --- as soon as it had rebooted and was at postboot I ejected the cd drive just fine
[11:10] <black_Nightmare> end of story :p
[11:10] <grogoreo> linitik, remove the current xorg.conf?
[11:10] <synd> tritium, thanks!
[11:10] <fraggsta> is there anything I can do since I have a debian menu in applications and it contains everything twice?
[11:10] <tritium> synd, sure
[11:10] <synd> superted_, thank you as well
[11:10] <lunitik> grogoreo: I'm asking you if you did or not....
[11:10] <fraggsta> it's not such a huge problem it's just silly to have these huge menus with everything listed twice
[11:11] <tritium> argh, looks like vcalendar meeting requests are broken in evolution
[11:11] <grogoreo> linitik, sorry, no, the same xorg.conf file is there
[11:11] <tritium> I have to save/import them manually
[11:11] <lunitik> fraggsta: dpkg -P menu
[11:11] <fraggsta> lunitik, nope - twm won't let it uninstall
[11:12] <randabis> then get rid of it :p
[11:12] <holycow> fragsta the debian submenu is coded in the applet, so you can't get rid of the entry without hacking it
[11:12] <holycow> you can get rid of the subentries in there
[11:12] <lunitik> fraggsta: get rid of twm then  :/
[11:12] <holycow> BUT
[11:12] <fraggsta> lunitik, yeah but x-window-system depends upon twm :(
[11:12] <holycow> you might want to wait for gnome2.10 to enter testing after release, the debian gnome team removed that in 2.10
[11:12] <lunitik> fraggsta: oh well... you only need 'x-window-system-core'  :/
[11:12] <superted_> synd: mail-notification is in hoary, universe or somewhere
[11:14] <darren> Can anyone help with ndiswrapper?
[11:14] <sono> where are you stucked darren?
[11:15] <adobbie> darren: make sure your hardware is working before you try doing the drivers
[11:15] <sono> hehehe
[11:15] <adobbie> like LEDs lite up when device connected
[11:15] <lunitik> queuetue: title of an album  *shrug*
[11:15] <abrs> hi
[11:15] <dalkus> After doing a dist-upgrade my xserver (xorg) cannot start and gives the 'no screens found' error
[11:15] <dalkus> Any help please?
[11:16] <abrs> Is Michael Vogt around?
[11:16] <darren> Well, I've downloaded the .deb file ready to install, but I need help installing and obtain/installing the drivers as well as setting the subnet mask, dns/gateway servers
[11:17] <sono> have you tried the ubuntu how-to for ndiswrapper darren?
[11:17] <sono> darren: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[11:17] <Dreamer3_> ok
[11:17] <Dreamer3_> i'm not getting something
[11:17] <Kheldon|Away> Good evening
[11:18] <Dreamer3_> i added a style to .gtkrc.mine, then i commented it out, but it sitll persists in new gtk apps i open, what am i missing?
[11:19] <darren> sono, I just checked it
[11:19] <darren> I'm gonna try it now
[11:19] <Dreamer3_> n/m, found it :)
[11:19] <sono> good luck through the process darren
[11:20] <Kheldon> I'm trying the ubuntu live cd on my laptop (for certain classes) and when I boot up, m mousepad won't work
[11:20] <Kheldon> I can get around with the keyboard somewhat, but it's very annoying :/
[11:20] <Kheldon> Anybody know how I can fix this?
[11:21] <alvaro> Hi i have a Canon A510 that i bought today will it work with Ubuntu?
[11:21] <alvaro> it's a digital camera
[11:21] <alvaro> :P
[11:21] <lunitik> alvaro: plug it in, and see
[11:22] <lunitik> (if nothing pops up... go into gthumb, and hit file > acquire image (or whatever it says)
[11:22] <alvaro> k k
[11:23] <alvaro> but what if it doesn't work :\ is there any way to know if it works without opening? :P
[11:23] <delire_> alvaro: see gtkam.. though the best photo viewer for linux is digikam, from the KDE suite
[11:23] <alvaro> cuz it has 15% fee if opened :\
[11:23] <delire_> alvaro: it uses the libgphoto library which recognises around 50 cameras
[11:23] <alvaro> what's gtkam?
[11:23] <lunitik> delire_: bah... gtkam sucks ime... gthumb is easier... and there by default  :/
[11:24] <lunitik> alvaro: ignore him... do what I said
[11:24] <delire_> alvaro: install and run gtkam
[11:24] <kbrooks> wtf
[11:24] <delire_> lunitik: regardless both use libgphoto
[11:24] <kbrooks> dont say X sucks
[11:24] <kbrooks> JUSTIFY
[11:24] <alvaro> wth is gtkam?
[11:24] <odo> hmm...I'm beginning to think that Ubuntu is THE desktop distro...
[11:24] <delire_> alvaro: use gthumb if it's there already. a camera interface/UI
[11:25] <Kheldon> Anybody?
[11:25] <lunitik> delire_: why would you have him use something else that uses something thats already installed?
[11:25] <delire_> odo: Mepis is a fine contender..
[11:25] <louiej> does ubuntu have kde libraries or is it only gnome?
[11:25] <kbrooks> Kheldon, what?
[11:25] <louiej> er... repositories
[11:25] <alvaro> umm...
[11:25] <dalkus> louiej: check out kubuntu
[11:25] <kbrooks> louiej, it has both.....
[11:25] <lunitik> kbrooks: ime ... gtkam is braindead... and its navigation isn't great.
[11:25] <delire_> lunitik: i have never heard of gthumb until a search 10 seconds ago
[11:25] <Kheldon> [23:20]  <Kheldon> I'm trying the ubuntu live cd on my laptop (for certain classes) and when I boot up, m mousepad won't work
[11:25] <Kheldon> [23:20]  <Kheldon> I can get around with the keyboard somewhat, but it's very annoying :/
[11:25] <Kheldon> [23:20]  <Kheldon> Anybody know how I can fix this?
[11:25] <brainZzZ> and its 1-2-3 what are we shooting for? don't ask me i don't give a damn, i ******' a viet lamb
[11:25] <lunitik> delire_: its installed by default in Ubuntu...
[11:26] <alvaro> so there isn't a way to verify if the camera works without opening it?
[11:26] <kbrooks> ?
[11:26] <louiej> dalkus, kubuntu is still early in it's release
[11:26] <superted_> brainZzZ: what's that songs name again?
[11:26] <odo> delire_: isn't mepis live-cd distro only?
[11:26] <delire_> lunitik: right, not on my ubuntu machine atm
[11:26] <kbrooks> no
[11:26] <lunitik> alvaro: thats the easiest way to varify...
[11:26] <kbrooks> odo: no
[11:26] <louiej> kbrooks, how well supported is it?
[11:26] <brainZzZ> that songs sweet
[11:26] <delire_> odo: no
[11:26] <kbrooks> louiej, .....
[11:26] <odo> one no will do ;)
[11:26] <superted_> brainZzZ: well what is it's name ? :)
[11:26] <brainZzZ> what is it's name
[11:27] <superted_> brainZzZ: ?
[11:27] <brainZzZ> you will have to wait
[11:28] <louiej> do kubuntu and ubuntu share repositories?
[11:28] <lunitik> louiej: yes
[11:29] <superted_> brainZzZ: is it such a grand task? :)
[11:29] <odo> Is archive.ubuntu.org located in UK?
[11:29] <brainZzZ> the "well i'm <insert computer position here> with/for/during <insert insane number> <unit such as years/users/days/etc/etc>" sort of dumb**** who calls up techsupport, that's what xbeanx is
[11:30] <louiej> I went to the kubuntu site and it seems that kubuntu isn't as tuned as ubuntu.  That is really the only thing holding me back from installing it, (I'm a kde guy)
[11:30] <randabis> louiej: isn't as tuned? in what way?
[11:30] <dalkus> gives the 'no screens found' error in the log
[11:30] <Kheldon> okies, I ws given the suggestion to see if there's a setting to emulate a threebuttom mouse
[11:30] <lunitik> odo: there is a few in the UK... yes
[11:31] <robodex> I'm having lots of problems with kubuntu :S
[11:31] <Kheldon> Is there such a setting and if so, how do I enable it? :P
[11:31] <randabis> I'm having no problems with it
[11:31] <dalkus> Er, I did a dist-upgrade and Xorg server won't start and it gives the 'no screens found' error
[11:31] <dalkus> How can i fix this?
[11:31] <dalkus> I have used dpkg-recongigure xserver-xorg
[11:31] <randabis> robodex: perhaps you are, but it seems your problems are due to a bad update or something (like your kwin problems)
[11:31] <robodex> well, I've fixed a bunch of the major ones, but according to the guys in #kubuntu I'm missing some important modules in kcontrol...
[11:31] <robodex> :p
[11:32] <robodex> well I'm reinstalling kcontrol atm
[11:32] <odo> lunitik: I'm just wondering that has my ISP upgraded its connections to overseas or are the mirrors in Finland(or near Finland)...
[11:32] <robodex> although that probably won't fix the problem
[11:33] <louiej> randabis, ubuntu seems very well suported with a large user base kubuntu seems significantly smaller user base.
[11:33] <lunitik> louiej: Kubuntu is doing about as well as Ubuntu was during PR ...
[11:33] <randabis> louiej: that's because kubuntu hasn't been around as long. Keep in mind that kubuntu and ubuntu are not separate distros. kubuntu is a part of ubuntu
[11:34] <kbrooks> :P
[11:34] <lunitik> louiej: I remember this channel with ~70 users... and there are currently 77 users in #kubuntu ...
[11:35] <louiej> lunitik, thx didn't think of trying the kubuntu site.
[11:35] <kbrooks> brb
[11:35] <louiej> err..irc
[11:35] <randabis> many ubuntu users also use kubuntu (myself included...I've used ubuntu since january, and installed kubuntu-desktop pretty recently)
[11:35] <delire_> dalkus: what error do you get specifically when you 'startx'?
[11:36] <dalkus> delire_: from startx or from the log?
[11:36] <louiej> so why such a branch to kubuntu rather than keeping it as ubuntu?  Confusing IMHO
[11:36] <delire_> dalkus: ok, if you have the log handy look for "EE", that is where it breaks
[11:37] <dalkus> Fatal I/O error, connection reset by peer, on X server, and, error in locking authority file /home/dalkus/.Xauthority
[11:37] <dalkus> thats from startx
[11:37] <dalkus> and the log error:
[11:37] <randabis> louiej: it's not a branch...it's still within the ubuntu repositories
[11:37] <delire_> dalkus: simply delete .Xauthority
[11:37] <lunitik> in main even  8)
[11:37] <dalkus> delire_: ok
[11:37] <|QuaD-> eh, i just did an apt-get update, and i am going to upgrade but it wants to install "xfree86-common", thatisn't suppsed to be on hoary
[11:37] <delire_> dalkus: it's perfectly safe to do so
[11:37] <randabis> it's just distinguished because canonical only supports gnome
[11:38] <[nrx_] > anyone got any idea why the filemanager in xfce4 doesn't work?.. it doesn't launch when you click on it
[11:38] <julius_> how can I know the memory usage?
[11:38] <dalkus> delire_: thanks i'll give it a shot
[11:38] <hksdu> Hi guys, I read a review about Ubuntu that it doesn't install gcc for you, and it doesn't enable root for you, is that true? then what do I do with that? thanks.
[11:38] <randabis> so kubuntu is an unsupported (by canonical) part of ubuntu
[11:38] <delire_> julius_: top or free
[11:38] <julius_> thanks delire_
[11:38] <soulfury> hksdu:: the live cd doesnt have gcc but the install cd does
[11:38] <lunitik> [nrx_] : you're sure its pointed at xffm4?
[11:38] <julius_> randabis: I think kubuntu is just ubuntu with kde installed :
[11:38] <delire_> hksdu: if you want a root password just 'sudo passwd root'
[11:38] <randabis> kubuntu is offered as a separate install for people who do not want gnome or its associated programs on their system
[11:38] <WW> hksdu: Re: gcc - You install it if you need it.  Re: root - You use sudo.
[11:38] <louiej> see... confusing
[11:38] <hksdu> soulfury: ic ic
[11:38] <[nrx_] > hm
[11:39] <randabis> julius_: that's what I've been explaining for the past few minutes
[11:39] <[nrx_] > lunitik, it doesn't seem to exist
[11:39] <delire_> hksdu: that will allow you to configure the root account. then 'apt-get install gcc'
[11:39] <dalkus> delire_: Now I only get the first error
[11:39] <hksdu> delire: okay, thank you...since I am going to install it in short
[11:39] <lunitik> [nrx_] : try installing it?
[11:39] <dalkus> and the Fatal server error, no screens found in the log
[11:39] <[nrx_] > on the case lol
[11:39] <delire_> dalkus: ok then look more closely at ""/var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[11:39] <soulfury> anyone had this problem when trying to install ubuntu...it says it cant find any common cdrom drives and suggest downloading one or doing the net install...i've tried like seven different cdroms.  the live cd works great though so wtf?
[11:39] <[nrx_] > lunitik, i didn't know what it was sposed to launch, sorry
[11:39] <lunitik> hmm... xffm4 is still 4.0.6 in the archive... strange
[11:39] <delire_> dalkus: or egrep -R EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:39] <julius_> randabis: as I can install kubuntu-desktop in my ubuntu installation, I supposed that kubuntu would be just the same but without gnome installed
[11:40] <kbrooks> meh
[11:40] <randabis> julius_: yes, that's what I already explained...kubuntu is a part of ubuntu
[11:40] <soulfury> yeah julius kbubuntu is just ubuntu with kde instead gnome
[11:40] <kbrooks> i want kde. how do i kde
[11:40] <lunitik> kbrooks: you're serious?
[11:40] <louiej> lol
[11:40] <kbrooks> lol, i knmow the answer anyway
[11:41] <randabis> I just also made the distinction that kubuntu is also available for download for people who want a fresh system without gnome stuff
[11:41] <drspin> how can I make an executable have "root" permissions no matter who runs it on the system???
[11:41] <julius_> I like both kde and gnome :D depends on the day ^^
[11:41] <[nrx_] > lunitik, i've just installed it.. and it finished with it's "Setting up xffm4 blahblah"
[11:41] <kbrooks> drspin, chmod +s /path/to/executable as root
[11:41] <[nrx_] > however, it's still nowhere to be found
[11:41] <hksdu> randabis: would you tell me again? cuz I heard that Kubuntu still installs gnome, right?
[11:41] <drspin> kbrooks: thanks
[11:41] <VladDrac> drspin/kbrooks: and chown root it
[11:41] <kbrooks> drspin, yw
[11:42] <randabis> hksdu: the kubuntu CD does not install gnome
[11:42] <delire_> drspin: dangerous however. you might want to look at chmod 644
[11:42] <kbrooks> VladDrac, er. 'no matter who runs it'
[11:42] <hksdu> randabis: that would be great but then I am going to try gnome since last time I used it was in 1998 or somewhere around.
[11:42] <VladDrac> kbrooks: so, if it's owned by user 'foo', it's suid foo, not suid root
[11:42] <randabis> however, you have the option of installing gnome in a kubuntu system if you wish
[11:42] <drspin> delire_: I'm wanting snes9x to run with "root permissions" so that the full screen stuff will work
[11:42] <pagefault> hi I was wondering if someone could tell me what I would use to make a backup of a video dvd in linux?
[11:42] <louiej> but kubuntu still has the look and feel distro wise as the ubuntu installation correct?
[11:43] <randabis> louiej: no
[11:43] <lunitik> louiej: no.. it uses lipstik
[11:43] <louiej> :/
[11:43] <kbrooks> shit
[11:43] <kbrooks> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:43] <kbrooks>   kubuntu-desktop: Depends: python-imaging-sane but it is not going to be installed
[11:43] <kbrooks>                    Depends: python-newt but it is not going to be installed
[11:43] <kbrooks>                    Depends: xorg-driver-synaptics but it is not going to be installed
[11:43] <randabis> hksdu: you can install gnome in the kubuntu system by installing the gnome-core package, or the ubuntu-desktop package
[11:43] <lunitik> louiej: *points at gtk2-engines-gtk-qt*
[11:43] <hksdu> randabis: I wanna make it lite so I probably will use only one.  Another question, is it possible that I use ONLY windows manager without desktop environment? I saw those ppl using enlightenment ONLY and they do not have any menus, how do they open programs?
[11:44] <delire_> drspin: ahah, not so bad ;) though why does it need root permissions to run full screen?
[11:44] <kbrooks> hksdu, they run a xterm
[11:44] <louiej> is the installation as simple?
[11:44] <drspin> delire_: not sure... but it won't do it any other way...
[11:44] <lunitik> louiej: its exactly the same
[11:44] <randabis> hksdu: they probably use a terminal to run programs
[11:44] <[nrx_] > lunitik, any ideas
[11:44] <hksdu> kbrooks: so you mean that I need to open xterm before I run a program?
[11:44] <kbrooks> hksdu, *ho*
[11:44] <lunitik> louiej: complete with not asking you what packages etc you want...
[11:44] <kbrooks> hksdu, er, no. you can use a console
[11:45] <drspin> delire_: shame that it'll switch modes but won't display anything.... boooooo
[11:45] <hksdu> kbrooks: does that mean that if I have to run 20 programs, I need to have 20 consoles or xterms?
[11:45] <delire_> hksdu: a terminal can be a very sensible way to execute a program, as you aren't hunting through menu's. also you can 'alias' programs as words you'd prefer to use in a file called ~/.bashrc
[11:45] <louiej> k... next question does it matter downloading and installing now or should I wait till next weeks release?
[11:45] <delire_> drspin: eek.. i'll check that out later i think. has to be a workaround.
[11:45] <kbrooks> hksdu, no
[11:45] <julius_> where's the "enable sound server startup" option?
[11:45] <randabis> louiej: if you install now, you can get the updates as they are uploaded
[11:46] <hksdu> delire: but you know when you run a program, it will load from there and then you can't type in the console.
[11:46] <SiRrUs> hello
[11:46] <kbrooks> hksdu, gnome-terminal is available
[11:46] <kbrooks> hksdu, actually. you can. use &
[11:46] <randabis> hksdu: many terms support tabs
[11:46] <kbrooks> program &
[11:46] <delire_> hksdu: you can like so
[11:46] <delire_> firefox &
[11:46] <hksdu> make it in background?
[11:46] <delire_> then use 'detach'
[11:46] <kbrooks> yeah.
[11:46] <delire_> sure
[11:47] <louiej> I follows the install once and update there after concept correct?
[11:47] <kbrooks> delire_: bash (?) forks...
[11:47] <louiej> s/I/It/g
[11:47] <kbrooks> so you dont need to detach
[11:47] <hksdu> what's the difference between running in backgroun and foreground? just the priority difference?
[11:47] <delire_> hksdu: i have stuff like this in my ~/.bashrc "alias burn_data='cdrecord -v -eject dev=/dev/cdrom speed=4 -data"
[11:47] <kbrooks> or use screen.
[11:48] <delire_> kbrooks: i prefer zsh myself ;)
[11:48] <hksdu> delire_: ic ic..
[11:48] <delire_> kbrooks: screen i liked alot, though now with wmi.modprobe.de i don't feel i need it
[11:48] <sono> friends... I have 512 MB RAM, and 1GB of swap space backing my Hoary.  I processed some hi-res images, and opened evolution for a quick mail... then.  MY SYSTEM BEGAN DOING AN ETHERNAL MEM SWAP.  How are you configuring your systems for optimal memory management? is this a 2.8.11 kernel issue?  I have tweaked kerns before, this is the first time I experiment this.
[11:48] <julius_> where is the enable sound server startup option in gnome?
[11:49] <sono> s/experiment/experience
[11:49] <delire_> sono: eek that's a bad mem leak it seems
[11:49] <lunitik> julius_: Computer > Preferences > Sounds
[11:49] <roo_> sono, what are u using for the image proc.?
[11:49] <lunitik> julius_: don't repeat.
[11:49] <delire_> sono: either that or a process is running around the block and writing to disk
[11:49] <julius_> lunitik: thx a lot
[11:50] <delire_> sono: never happened to me..
[11:50] <hksdu> I am sorry to ask again but there was no answer probably you guys were too busy, I am just curious the difference between running in background and foreground, any idea?
[11:50] <sono> Gimp delire_
[11:50] <sono> sorry Gimp roo_
[11:50] <kbrooks> hksdu, /me has no clue
[11:50] <roo_> calling me a gimp, sono ?!
[11:50] <sono> that's what I think as well delire_
[11:50] <sono> hehehehno roo_ answering your question hehe
[11:50] <louiej> So why isn't kubuntu offered on the ubuntu site?
[11:51] <hksdu> kbrooks: it's okay, thanks anyway, telling me to run under & is already good enough..hehe...
[11:51] <delire_> hksdu: background means it's not dependent on the process in which it was evoked.
[11:51] <roo_> sono, :p try asking (gently) in #gimp if there are any _known_ memory leak issues with whichever version ur using.
[11:51] <kbrooks> invoked*
[11:51] <delire_> hksdu: cool ;) it's a good trick. then use 'detach' if you want to safely kill the terminal itself without killing the process you started in it
[11:51] <hksdu> delire_: ic ic, so I can close the xterm/console after I run it as background?
[11:51] <sono> I see roo_; so you guys think this might be an APP specific issue...
[11:51] <delire_> kbrooks: yes 'invoked'
[11:51] <delire_> hksdu: use 'detach' to be sure
[11:52] <delire_> sono: i think so yes..
[11:52] <roo_> sono, could be anything. just checking for memory leaks in apps that were being used seems sensible to me. thats just me tho.
[11:52] <delire_> sono: do it again but with top running visibly in the foreground
[11:52] <alvaro> yo i plugged in the canon a510 but nothing shows up
[11:52] <hksdu> delire_: ic, good enough, I guess I can go for this venture now.  You know when you turn on enlightenment without menu, I really have no clue how to turn on irc to ask, at least....hahaha...thanks.
[11:53] <delire_> sono: also look at trying 'strace gimp'
[11:53] <alvaro> i already took a picture with the canon
[11:53] <delire_> alvaro: did you try gthumb like lunitik suggested?
[11:53] <alvaro> yea
[11:53] <thierry_> when I play video, the sound/video doesn't always match... what can I do?
[11:53] <alvaro> i opened gthumb
[11:54] <alvaro> nothing is on it
[11:54] <delire_> alvaro: try a 'sudo gthumb' to see if it's a permissions issue
[11:54] <sono> ok... delire_ could you rephrase the visibility thing?
[11:54] <hksdu> thanks guys, I need to go, you guys have a good day
[11:54] <lunitik> alvaro: file > acquire images
[11:54] <sono> ok delire_ I will run strace gimp
[11:54] <brainZzZ> cat blah > newfile && cat oldfile >> newfile && mv newfile oldfile
[11:54] <delire_> thierry_: if you're using mplayer you can <CTRL-+> to alter the syncronicity
[11:54] <roo_> sono, oh forgot to ask, is the problem reproducable?
[11:54] <sono> that's a good option I didn't remember before... delire_
[11:54] <kbrooks> I need help.
[11:54] <sono> yes, definetely roo_ twice now
[11:54] <alvaro> when i go to file it doesn't have an 'acquire"
[11:54] <lunitik> kbrooks: cool
[11:55] <delire_> sono: oh, just so you can see which process is eating your machine
[11:55] <roo_> sono, do u know if swap is being used?
[11:55] <CarlK> Device manager, Submit data to ubuntu database - should the audio test sound 'tinny' ?
[11:55] <delire_> roo_: good point
[11:55] <thierry_> delire_ : yeah but it does that with everything, even flash player
[11:55] <lunitik> alvaro: hmm... I don't have it installed right now... its like the 4th option up though
[11:55] <kbrooks> well.....*thinks*. do i? yeah. with what? apt verbosity. ok, i need to make apt verbose
[11:55] <kbrooks> HOW DO I do so
[11:55] <delire_> thierry_: what does what?
[11:56] <alvaro> ok i did a sudo gthumb
[11:56] <lunitik> kbrooks: apt-get -V install foo
[11:56] <alvaro> and it opens the gthumb in root
[11:56] <delire_> thierry_: ahah, the video problem. i don't know..
[11:56] <thierry_> delire_ : well the image and the sound the doesn't match
[11:56] <sono> the swap graph showed me no swap space was used roo_, but I believe the swap space was being populated right there, when the ethernal caching was takin place, but the resources ran so low that the graph just didn't even refreshed
[11:56] <sono> and no prompt monitoring was possible as well
[11:56] <alvaro> this warning comes up when i do it in root
[11:56] <alvaro> (gthumb:4349): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[11:56] <delire_> alvaro: talk to lunitik, he knows it very well.
[11:56] <alvaro> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[11:56] <odo> hmm...my X/gnome won't start...it just jammes to "window manager"
[11:56] <odo> and xorg logs say
[11:57] <odo> Could not init font path element unix/:7000, removing from list!
[11:57] <roo_> sono, hmm, well try running "sudo watch /proc/swaps" in a term where its visible.
[11:57] <delire_> thierry_: hmm, odd. how fast is you machine. what video card do you use? when did this problem start?
[11:57] <lunitik> alvaro: meet gksudo
[11:57] <roo_> sono, then do ur crash thing.
[11:57] <sono> ok roo_
[11:57] <roo_> sono, also run "top" like delire_ said
[11:57] <lunitik> alvaro: there is a reason it exists... and you just found it... gj
[11:57] <delire_> odo: that's ok.. a normal error
[11:57] <roo_> sono, that might show something unexpected. never know.. :)
[11:57] <alvaro> huh?
[11:58] <odo> delire_: well, it would be, but I can't get gnome running...and that is the point where it stops
[11:58] <lunitik> alvaro: gksudo gthumb (although, why you're even doing that, I have no idea)
[11:58] <delire_> alvaro: you're not supposed to run application root in normal use, though it's good to see if permissions are coming between you and a device..
[11:58] <delire_> odo: do you have a ~/.xinitrc or a ~/.xsession?
[11:58] <sono> great friends... I will definetely do it so tonight after finishing this work... I hope to find you here to discuss the point. thx. roo_ delire_
[11:58] <alvaro> so what do i do?
[11:58] <odo> delire_: nope
[11:59] <lunitik> alvaro: you hit the option I stated...
[11:59] <delire_> odo: i don't use gnome, but you can put a line like 'exec gnome-session' in either i believe
[11:59] <alvaro> what option :P?
[11:59] <roo_> sono, np. in a bit dude.
[11:59] <lunitik> alvaro: like I said, I don't have gthumb right now... 4th item from the bottem of the file menu
[11:59] <delire_> odo: from either of these two files you can start any window manager or desktop environment.
[11:59] <odo> delire_: well, gnome begins loading itself, but won't start
[11:59] <delire_> odo: ahah, that's different. i see