[12:09] Curalton, and this appears when I click on the "taskbar"? [12:11] when i click on the free space below the present icons like "home dir" [12:11] ok, got it. [12:11] well, now the "devices" section is gone, but there is nothing like it.. [12:14] well, I'll add it manually... [12:15] yeh, add a folder and select media:/ [12:15] seems they removed this in 3.4 [12:16] gna, sorry Mithsir :/ === dvoid_ [~dvoid@c-215fe155.2010-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #kubuntu === chavo [~chavo@42.sub-70-213-89.myvzw.com] has joined #kubuntu [12:41] how long have all of you been using kubuntu [12:42] 2 weeks or so === treke [~ggilbert@192.216.230.225] has joined #kubuntu === TechLord_Work [~TechLord-@rchp4.rochester.ibm.com] has left #kubuntu [] [12:47] Since it came out === motaboy [~motaboy@host60-41.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #kubuntu === regeya_ [~shane@dialup-4.159.56.62.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] has joined #kubuntu === Cimmerian [~crom@80.203.113.215] has joined #kubuntu === Cimmerian [~crom@80.203.113.215] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] === burgermann [~burgerman@0x3e42a174.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu [01:16] lo [01:16] If I want Kubuntu, do I have to get the CD and reinstall all of Ubuntu or is there some smart .deb package somewhere which can easy my trouble linux-beginner life? [01:17] heh [01:17] *troubled even [01:17] burgermann: do you have Ubuntu installed? [01:17] apokryphos, ye :) [01:18] Then you can just follow the instructions on the site and/or Wiki [01:18] Pyre: tell burgermann ubukde [01:18] burgermann: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE [01:18] oh goody [01:18] Essentially, you want to do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [01:19] hmm...I guess kde doesn't automount stuff? weird [01:19] Ohh that's so sweet it'll beat a whole sugar field [01:19] haha [01:19] randabis: I do think it's meant to... [01:20] heh I had to mount it myself [01:20] perhaps it is a consequence of having both ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop [01:20] who knows [01:22] Can't find my USB key so can't test now; will try to when I can [01:23] a user on ubuntuforums, though, was really quite happy with the automount I believe, that's why I remember it apparently existing [01:27] <_P_> randabis: [01:27] <_P_> kubuntu has automount [01:27] <_P_> but i had to add a line in fstab [01:27] <_P_> if you insert a usb key and looks on media:/ [01:28] <_P_> youll see the remobable device [01:28] <_P_> but is not usable [01:28] <_P_> i added a mount /dev/sda1 on my fstab [01:28] <_P_> so now i have automount and a usable device === [dt] [~dt@81.12.60.76] has joined #kubuntu === claydoh [~claydoh@65.99.186.122] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === candyban [~candyban@dD5773D35.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu [01:31] Hi guys [01:32] I have downloaded and installed kubuntu about 3 hours ago and I must say I am a bit disappointed === SeFoKumA_ [~zienaga@212.Red-81-44-201.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:33] Although the md5sum is correct and the CD validated correctly, I got an error when configuring apt at the installation procedure [01:34] Then it took quite a long time to install (I think it installed all python2.4 packages available on the net ... but okay, I can live with that) ... but when it said it finished installation, I had to manually install xfonts-base and kubuntu-desktop === cartel_ [~cartel@shinobi.thoughtcrime.org.nz] has joined #kubuntu [01:35] I mean ... If I read the FAQ correctly kubuntu is just ubuntu + kubuntu-desktop (kde) ... one (at least I) would expect that the installation would install kubuntu-desktop by default [01:36] Well, it obviously should. If it didn't, then there's a problem [01:36] Then I installed the gimp and I had to manually create the menu item ... [01:36] candyban: did you install the RC? [01:36] I installed the one on the download page [01:36] kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage [01:36] Since those have been tested by quite a few and that problem hasn't come up [01:37] hoary [01:37] it depends on lots of other stuff [01:37] apt-get install kubuntu-desktop should give you a complete kde [01:37] cartel_: I think they downloaded kubuntu ISO, however [01:37] cartel_: yes, once I installed kubuntu-desktop myself it worked like a charm (and xfonts-base) ... [01:37] candyban: so not the release candidate? [01:37] candyban: you must have deselected it on install :) [01:38] candyban: as in, did you download under the daily section? [01:38] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hoary/rc/kubuntu-hoary-install-i386.iso [01:38] cartel_: selecting on install? [01:38] Yes, that's the RC [01:39] cartel_: I could select base system or default ... I chose default [01:39] I find it hard to believe that the problem is not the users' side when many have installed that successfully [01:39] *user's [01:39] it couldn't configure apt ... perhaps that's what went wrong? [01:39] candyban: so the installation did not complete successfuly? [01:39] cartel_: no [01:39] candyban: no, it wouldn't stop you having kubuntu-desktop [01:40] cartel_: I tried it several times to reconfigure apt from the installation menu ... but it wouldn't fly ... so then I used the cd checker which came up with "all packages ok" or something [01:41] cartel_: then I selected the install LILO and reboot options [01:41] firefox on kubuntu looks fugly [01:41] in fact any gtk app looks fugly [01:41] I'm installing the sims 2 on here :p [01:41] cartel_: have you got the gtk engine? === randabis likes cedega :p [01:41] and there is no option in kcontrol for gtk shit [01:41] apokryphos huh? packagename? [01:41] cartel_: gtk2-engine-gtk-qt [01:41] cartel_: install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt [01:41] snap [01:42] bingo [01:42] ok installed [01:42] Then the option should come up in kcontrol [01:42] need to do anything else? [01:42] apokryphos: I can't imagine I'm the first one ever to have problems with the current kubuntu installation [01:43] candyban: Well, no-one else has complained, and it's been up for well over a day now [01:43] cool [01:43] apokryphos: btw. What can cause apt not to configure? [01:43] candyban: is the Internet working properly? [01:43] apokryphos: yep [01:43] candyban, I installed kubuntu about a week or so ago and had similar problems. [01:43] ok brb restarting [01:43] candyban: can you sudo apt-get update? [01:43] apokryphos: yes [01:43] crap [01:44] can't eject lol [01:44] I reburned the iso at a much slower speed and it then installed flawlessly [01:44] candyban: and can you install things? [01:44] apokryphos: it's installed now .... I am just a bit disappointed it did not install all that with the installer [01:45] candyban: erm, out of interest, just how did you install apt? [01:47] apokryphos: It was installed ... though the installer (after the stage of installing all packages) said it had to configure apt ... and then at 50% I got a red message saying it failed and gave an option to return to the installation menu so I could select what to do next (e.g. run configure apt again or install lilo, grub, ...) [01:48] apokryphos: I md5sum-ed my iso ... and it's fine ... Also the CD consistency checker (or something?) completed successfully ... so I am sure I don't have a corrupted download/scratch/... === kkathman [~kkathman@h-66-167-95-102.dllatx37.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #kubuntu === oXeN [oXeN@adsl-68-248-215-72.dsl.sgnwmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:49] Question: What would be the best way in KDE for me to drag and drop files from my samba network (i.e. a windows box) over to a linux directory? [01:49] apokryphos: I just wanted to let you guys know about it ... as I have my system running now, I don't need a "fixed" installation cd ... but perhaps can save someone else half an hour of "work" (or more if they are totally clueless) === katz_ [~katz@h-69-3-4-130.mclnva23.covad.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:50] kkathman: konqueror? [01:50] kkathman: you should be able to access them in konqueror using smb://servername [01:50] candyban: Yah I thought so too, but I dont seem to see the samba network there [01:51] kkathman: try smb://ip.of.smb.server/share as lonewolff suggested [01:51] lonewolff, I'll give that a try [01:51] network folders doesnt work in kubuntu either [01:51] 'Add network folder' doesnt do anything [01:52] <[dt] > if the md5sum's correct, there's still a chance of having wrong data; 1/(64^32) * 100 ~= 1.6e-56 :"> you might be absolutely unlucky ! :)) [01:52] cartel_: when did you install kubuntu? [01:52] Riddell: tuesday [01:52] lonewolff, That works great, thanks :) [01:52] np [01:52] cartel_: Add a Network Folder should work, it launches knetattach [01:53] [dt] : hehe ... if that happened I guess I can post it as another "collision" to accelerate cracking of md5 :o) [01:53] Riddell: not here it doesnt [01:53] Riddell: network folder -> add network folder [01:53] Riddel: running knetattach works though [01:54] [dt] : Would even be more amazing that that 1 in 1.6e-56 chance would even boot and install something which even remotely looks like ubuntu, don't you think? [01:55] <[dt] > candyban: lol yeah :)) [01:55] Anyways ... it's 2 am right now ... have to get up in 5 hours ... [01:56] <[dt] > it's 4:30 am here :)) [01:56] wow it takes me some getting used to these permission things, after working so long in windows :) === jeroenvrp [~jeroenvrp@uptown.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu [01:56] hi evrybody [01:56] anyways ... just letting you guys know at least one person still has issues with the current rc [01:57] I'm wondering if I should switch from SuSE to Kubunti [01:57] sorry Kubuntu === lonewolff did and likes it [01:57] example: does kubunti have something similar to yast? [01:58] example: does kubuntu have something similar to yast? [01:58] it has dpkg/apt-get so yes similar [01:58] yast is a configuration tool [01:58] jeroenvrp: I doubt it ... but for package management you have apt [01:58] yast also lets you install packages [01:58] mm thats a shame [01:59] cartel_: IIRC yast can also install/update software packages [01:59] lonewolff: yes I know, but I allready use apt for rpm, so thats not a problem [01:59] jeroenvrp ubuntu (kubuntu is just the KDE for ubuntu) is very similar, but a much easier environment in my opinion than SuSE [01:59] ah ic [01:59] but then I'm partial to debian's philosophy (on which ubuntu is based I believe) [01:59] so does ubuntu/kubuntu have a graphical configtool? [02:00] jeroenvrp, yes [02:00] btw ... is it "normal" for kubuntu that when you "sudo apt-get install gimp" that the kde menu is not updated? === jeroenvrp is terug. [02:00] cartel_: nope, gimp should appear in the kmenu under graphics [02:00] candyban - what do you want updated? [02:00] that to candyban [02:00] typically gimp should be in the menu [02:01] kkathman: that an entry appears in the menu [02:01] I see there's no mplayer in repos, what the best thing to play wavs from cmdline? artsplay stinks - some wavs it just won't play. [02:01] candyban, yep should be in the kmenu panel [02:01] LeeJunFan: it's there [02:01] LeeJunFan: kaffeine? [02:01] kkathman: It was not there ... I had to manually add it ... [02:01] amarok, juk [02:02] perhaps I am missing some additional packages which autoconfigure the kde menu? [02:02] just guessing here [02:02] LeeJunFan: you might want to install the specific one (per the instructions on Restricted formats article); many (including myself) had problems when not installing specific one for comp [02:03] LeeJunFan: I'm not sure, but I thought mpg321 could play wav files as well [02:03] LeeJunFan: or aplay (or something) === membreya [~membreya@c211-28-78-53.sunsh3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu [02:04] candyban: I've had issues, some play mp3 encoded wavs, some dont. mplayer worked for everything. [02:04] (It's in Multiverse) [02:04] apokryphos: ahh, that explains it. [02:05] no Multi enabled? ;-) [02:05] nope. hehe [02:05] heh, I thought I was gonna get to play the sims 2 :( [02:06] LeeJunFan: perhaps you should try the "file" command to determine which type it is ... perhaps your mp3 encoded wav is just an mp3 with .wav extension [02:06] candyban: true [02:06] cedega isn't there yet for it...it will install, but it isn't playable [02:06] RIFF [02:06] root@jkd:~/ext/junfan# file /home/junfan/wavs/siren.wav [02:06] /home/junfan/wavs/siren.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, MPEG Layer 3, mono 11025 Hz [02:06] Riddell: can essentially anything go into Uni/Multiverse? Presuming there's no violation etc.. [02:07] apokryphos: yep, what do you have in mind? [02:07] Riddell: if so, why aren't popular programs like limewire/azureus in the repos? [02:07] (the only non-K* programs I use) [02:07] apokryphos: they are java apps [02:07] Yes... [02:08] there are no java packages [02:08] LeeJunFan: don't know how to play them ... didn't encounter them anymore since I switched to Linux [02:08] apokryphos: are they Free Software? [02:08] LeeJunFan: sorry [02:09] candyban: owell, I got mplayer installing now :) [02:09] Riddell: They're both free to download (Limewire has a pro version, though, which you need to pay for). They're not published under GPL or anything, as I recall. === pepina [~a@194.165.153.230] has joined #kubuntu [02:10] apokryphos: well they have to be Free Software else ubuntu isn't allowed to distribute them [02:10] part of my alarm script that sounds an alert if my servers/links go down. It's storming outside and I own a wireless ISP :) [02:10] what packages are in kubuntu? can't find a link [02:11] pepina: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hoary/rc/kubuntu-hoary-install-i386.list [02:11] Riddell: I see. Thanks. [02:11] Riddell: quick other question: does ubuntulinux.org plan on having a link to Kubuntu closer to home? ;-) === jeroenvrp [~jeroenvrp@uptown.xs4all.nl] has left #kubuntu ["Get] [02:12] any one ? [02:12] pepina: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hoary/rc/kubuntu-hoary-install-i386.list [02:12] thanks :D [02:13] apokryphos: good question, you should suggest it to them [02:13] Ok, I think I'll email them. [02:14] lots of kde updates just came. [02:14] Just wondering ... why does kubuntu actually exist? ... wouldn't it make more sense to have the ubuntu installer let the user decide between gnome or kde (or both) [02:14] good quanta - seeing as it just segged on me a min ago. [02:15] candyban: not enough space on the CD [02:15] apokryphos: actually they're chaning the plone template in the next day or two, might want to suggest they use that as an opportunity :) [02:15] apokryphos: ah ... k [02:15] apokryphos: hehe ... so simple ;) [02:15] Riddell: Thanks; that'll be worth noting. [02:15] candyban: always ;-) === candyban is off to bed now [02:16] 'night [02:16] cya candy :) === pepina [~a@194.165.153.230] has left #kubuntu ["] [02:16] apokryphos, is there a reason why I cant see my cd rom in konqueror? [02:16] do I have to mount that thing each time I want to use it? [02:17] kkathman: Automount is meant to work in KDE, I think, but randabis was reporting that it wasn't working for him, so I'm not entirely sure. [02:17] kkathman: right click your desktop and add a new device, choose the mount entry for your CD-ROM. It should put an icon on your desktop for cd-rom them. [02:17] kkathman: the CD-rom item should still appear there. [02:18] LeeJunFan, Thanks I'll try that [02:18] apokryphos, I would have thought so also [02:18] ahhh wait...its there now for some reason..hmmm [02:19] how strange [02:19] yeah, I had to manually mount my cdrom [02:22] man, this new system I got really shows off Linux quite well...so much better than what I had before :) [02:25] candyban: apt-get install menu ? === blenderhead [~blenderhe@adsl-218-178-232.jax.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu === oXeN [oXeN@adsl-68-248-215-72.dsl.sgnwmi.ameritech.net] has left #kubuntu [] [02:41] Icon-Theme recommendation of the week: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=13286 === randabis looks [02:53] I've been looking for a crystal replacement [02:54] Crystal! Yes, suffice it to say there are a few possibles. :) [02:55] That guy actually has quite a few similar ones based around the same thing, but slightly different colours etc. check his history to see the others === omni_lonnie [~lonnie@12-217-12-234.client.mchsi.com] has joined #kubuntu === jsubl2 [~jsubl2@209.144.23.220] has joined #kubuntu [03:02] so hows the new release lookin === membreya [~membreya@c211-28-78-53.sunsh3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu [03:04] has anyone had any experience in getting Macromedia Flash installed into Konqueror? [03:04] The only options seem to be Opera, IE and Mozilla [03:04] kkathman: Yup, what'st he problem? [03:05] kkathman: you just have to point to the Flash plugin with Konqueror [03:05] jsubl2: very nice :) [03:05] apokryphos, Point to it? [03:05] I have it installed for Firefox and Opera [03:05] Configure Konqueror > Plugins [03:07] so is this one mostly complete.. the beta lacked several apps === difekta [~DIFEKTA@h-67-101-148-159.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #KUBUNTU === cartel_ treis to connect to ICA from kubuntu... [03:08] jsubl2: Yes, the RC is out [03:08] apokryphos, I did the scan for new plugins, is it Mozilla based then? [03:08] yeah i am about 20 min from installing it.. dl'ing it now [03:08] kkathman: Konqueror? No. Mozilla is Gecko; Konqueror KHTML [03:08] kkathman: but the plugin isn't Mozilla-specific [03:09] ok thats interesting... [03:09] apokryphos, hmm ok, I know the flash plugin downloaded, cuz it works in Firefox [03:09] running mozilla-firefox from kubuntu, use the internal download manager and then try and open the file [03:09] it doesnt launch [03:09] apokryphos, but I have no idea where it is to point to it [03:10] kkathman: alright, all you have to do now is point to /home/user/.mozilla/plugins/ [03:10] cartel_: hmm, works fine here. [03:10] hmm === cartel_ wonders if his mirror is out of date [03:11] cartel_: you're not trying to run mozilla-firefox, are you, as a command? [03:11] Nah, if it downloaded properly then the mirror problem is ruled out... [03:12] apokryphos: i launch it from k menu [03:13] eek, it was out of date [03:13] 266 upgraded, 11 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [03:13] Need to get 221MB/340MB of archives. [03:13] I don't see why that would stop it running, though... [03:13] ack! === cartel_ hopes this doesnt kill his box [03:14] hmm.. new xorg [03:14] you don't have to do a full upgrade :) [03:14] you can update only firefox, if you like. [03:14] new firefox, oo, [03:14] new build of kde.. === cartel_ predicts this will get ugly [03:14] hehe [03:14] i bet the update of xorg kills my xinerama too [03:15] does ubuntu use python instead of perl a lot? [03:15] ie, postinst/preinst [03:17] Generally, I think. IIRC, Mark is a fan of python [03:17] apokryphos: you are a kubuntu developer? [03:17] cartel_: nope [03:18] apokryphos: k [03:18] apokryphos: kde devel then? [03:18] nope :P [03:18] so you just hang out in teh devel chans to look cool? :) [03:19] cartel_: Heh, nope. To learn. :) [03:28] bah, I might have to use mozilla again if this keeps up [03:30] how do i take a screen shot in here? [03:30] err KDE [03:30] in KDE [03:30] closure: you can use ksnapshot [03:30] randabis: what now? ;-) [03:30] thanks [03:32] is there a gui FTP for K? [03:32] Kftp or something? [03:33] apokryphos: just konqueror being a bitch after using it a while [03:33] closure: sure. Konqueror :) [03:33] it becomes very unresponsive [03:33] I have to close it and reopen it [03:33] ergh [03:34] yeah [03:34] ergh indeed [03:34] install time [03:34] randabis: recurring problem or problem with latest update? [03:35] recurring [03:36] it feels like a memory leak or something [03:37] when it starts freezing up, have you done a top to see if it's eating CPU perhaps? [03:37] nah, I should though...hehe [03:37] I will next time [03:38] the thing is though [03:38] only konqueror becomes unresponsive [03:38] other programs still work fine [03:38] apokryphos, i'm speaking something like Bullet Proof FTP [03:38] closure: bullet proof? [03:38] for windows [03:38] like CuteFTP [03:38] randabis: yeah, it might be worth trying. Perhaps file a bug report if it continues [03:39] an easy to use FTP gui [03:39] closure: I don't understand... it is *very* easy to use [03:39] you could try the firefox fireftp extension closure [03:39] it's just like Konqueror file manager [03:39] how do i use it? [03:39] ftp://l:p@host? [03:39] closure: ftp.somedomain.com [03:39] just goto an ftp site in konqueror and there you go, its like browsing a local filesystem [03:40] no [03:40] i want to be able to upload and shit [03:40] does it do that? [03:40] if you don't like it another decent K FTP app on the market is KBear [03:40] closure: course [03:40] just drag and drop? [03:40] just drag things over and it uploads [03:40] precisely [03:40] strange [03:40] just like copying files locally [03:40] ok [03:40] Check the Handbook for more information [03:41] well isn't that spiffy [03:41] Yup, very handy [03:41] konqueror rocks [03:43] indeed [03:44] konqueror does rock...when it doesn't start acting like crap [03:44] :) [03:44] does IE do that? cause i'm going to feel like an idiot for using clients all these years [03:44] closure: nope [03:44] ok [03:44] i have a hard time telling my devels to develop for konq [03:44] you know if it works in konq it works in all browsers [03:44] and i don't suppose you can que with konqueror either can you? [03:44] IE = abomination [03:45] khtml is a pretty decent implementation [03:45] gecko is still more accurate overall I'd say [03:45] Safari are using it, too :P [03:45] yeah [03:45] closure: que? [03:45] Safari dont give anything back to khtml.. [03:45] like que files [03:45] for uploading [03:45] from different places [03:47] Dunno, I guess not. It would probably try to do them all at once, like the File Manager would, I guess. [03:47] hrm [03:47] ok [03:47] well do you know of an ftp client that would support htat? [03:48] closure: KBear is your best bet, but I haven't used it in some time. [03:49] hrm [03:49] ok === ozz [~ozz@modemcable168.123-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #kubuntu [03:53] closure: though, I should have noted that if you copy and paste them -- in one swoop -- from konqueror to ftp up then it will do them one after the other [03:55] i.e. in a que [03:57] yeah but that's not quite what i'm looking for [03:59] hrm [04:00] how do i completely remove gnome from ubuntu now? [04:00] I'd use deborphan [04:00] that would be the easiest way probably [04:01] ok [04:01] can you take me through the steps? [04:01] i'm quite a know nothing with this linux stuff as of yet [04:01] would sudo apt-get remove gnome* not suffice (just a guess btw) [04:02] that will remove apps too that are used in K though won't it? [04:03] err [04:03] I think I meant debfoster [04:03] not deborphan [04:03] ok [04:03] do i just do "debfoster" at a command line? [04:06] do "sudo debfoster -q" to assume yes to all questions. Then edit the /var/lib/debfosterkeepers and remove the line ubuntu-desktop and other lines with packages you want to remove. Only packages that don't depend on other packages are listed so the list won't be very long unless you broke some meta-package like kubuntu-desktop. [04:06] then do sudo debfoster [04:07] it will ask you what you want to do with ubuntu-desktop, choose purge === underlord [~underlord@c211-30-113-130.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu [04:07] I've never tried that method so it may or may not work [04:08] sudo: debfoster: command not found [04:08] and it may not remove all of gnome [04:08] apt-get install debfoster === jsubl2 [~jsubl2@209.144.23.220] has joined #kubuntu [04:08] quanta keeps crashing on me after an upgrade to latest stuff, where can i report the crash to kubuntu? [04:08] you're saying debfoster is a method you've never tried? [04:09] yes [04:09] the only other way I know of is to manually locate all the packages yourself and remove them [04:09] debfoster is supposed to in theory do that for you [04:10] underlord: after the upgrade just now? [04:10] not right this seccond, i upgraded last night, and ever since... im trying reinstallation in synaptic now... [04:10] well the install went great!! [04:11] underlord: try one now. It was updated today [04:11] ooh [04:12] maybe i started upgrading while the new packages ehere half uploaded or something [04:12] i can't apt-get install debfoster [04:12] did you use sudo? [04:12] underlord: Doubtful... it was done a few hours ago [04:12] apt-get install debfoster [04:12] E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) [04:12] E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? [04:12] i'm in root terminal [04:12] i don't need to sudo [04:12] closure: do you have synaptic open or something? [04:12] i didn't think atleast [04:12] i had kynaptic open [04:12] but i closed it [04:12] it should work now then [04:12] it's probably frozen in the background or something [04:13] ps aux can tell you if it is or not [04:14] seems to be stable now [04:14] it says it its [04:14] err is [04:14] how do i kill it? [04:15] kill (pid) [04:15] pid = the number [04:15] or killall -9 processname [04:16] yeah [04:19] ok still not working [04:20] hrm [04:20] i'll restart in a second i guess [04:22]