[12:09] <Mithsir> Curalton, and this appears when I click on the "taskbar"?
[12:11] <Curalton> when i click on the free space below the present icons like "home dir"
[12:11] <Mithsir> ok, got it. 
[12:11] <Mithsir> well, now the "devices" section is gone, but there is nothing like it..
[12:14] <Mithsir> well, I'll add it manually...
[12:15] <Curalton> yeh, add a folder and select media:/
[12:15] <Curalton> seems they removed this in 3.4
[12:16] <Curalton> gna, sorry Mithsir :/
[12:41] <TechLord_Work> how long have all of you been using kubuntu
[12:42] <treke> 2 weeks or so
[12:47] <apokryphos> Since it came out
[01:16] <burgermann> lo
[01:16] <burgermann> If I want Kubuntu, do I have to get the CD and reinstall all of Ubuntu or is there some smart .deb package somewhere which can easy my trouble linux-beginner life?
[01:17] <apokryphos> heh
[01:17] <burgermann> *troubled even
[01:17] <apokryphos> burgermann: do you have Ubuntu installed?
[01:17] <burgermann> apokryphos, ye :)
[01:18] <apokryphos> Then you can just follow the instructions on the site and/or Wiki
[01:18] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell burgermann ubukde
[01:18] <Pyre> burgermann: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[01:18] <burgermann> oh goody
[01:18] <apokryphos> Essentially, you want to do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:19] <randabis> hmm...I guess kde doesn't automount stuff? weird
[01:19] <burgermann> Ohh that's so sweet it'll beat a whole sugar field
[01:19] <apokryphos> haha
[01:19] <apokryphos> randabis: I do think it's meant to...
[01:20] <randabis> heh I had to mount it myself
[01:20] <randabis> perhaps it is a consequence of having both ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop
[01:20] <randabis> who knows
[01:22] <apokryphos> Can't find my USB key so can't test now; will try to when I can
[01:23] <apokryphos> a user on ubuntuforums, though, was really quite happy with the automount I believe, that's why I remember it apparently existing
[01:27] <_P_> randabis: 
[01:27] <_P_> kubuntu  has  automount 
[01:27] <_P_> but  i had  to  add  a  line in fstab 
[01:27] <_P_> if you  insert  a  usb key and  looks  on media:/
[01:28] <_P_> youll see  the  remobable device 
[01:28] <_P_> but is  not  usable 
[01:28] <_P_> i added  a  mount /dev/sda1  on my fstab 
[01:28] <_P_> so  now  i have  automount  and a  usable device 
[01:31] <candyban> Hi guys
[01:32] <candyban> I have downloaded and installed kubuntu about 3 hours ago and I must say I am a bit disappointed
[01:33] <candyban> Although the md5sum is correct and the CD validated correctly, I got an error when configuring apt at the installation procedure
[01:34] <candyban> Then it took quite a long time to install (I think it installed all python2.4 packages available on the net ... but okay, I can live with that) ... but when it said it finished installation, I had to manually install xfonts-base and kubuntu-desktop
[01:35] <candyban> I mean ... If I read the FAQ correctly kubuntu is just ubuntu + kubuntu-desktop (kde) ... one (at least I) would expect that the installation would install kubuntu-desktop by default
[01:36] <apokryphos> Well, it obviously should. If it didn't, then there's a problem
[01:36] <candyban> Then I installed the gimp and I had to manually create the menu item ...
[01:36] <apokryphos> candyban: did you install the RC?
[01:36] <candyban> I installed the one on the download page
[01:36] <cartel_> kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage
[01:36] <apokryphos> Since those have been tested by quite a few and that problem hasn't come up
[01:37] <candyban> hoary
[01:37] <cartel_> it depends on lots of other stuff
[01:37] <cartel_> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop should give you a complete kde
[01:37] <apokryphos> cartel_: I think they downloaded kubuntu ISO, however
[01:37] <candyban> cartel_: yes, once I installed kubuntu-desktop myself it worked like a charm (and xfonts-base) ...
[01:37] <apokryphos> candyban: so not the release candidate?
[01:37] <cartel_> candyban: you must have deselected it on install :)
[01:38] <apokryphos> candyban: as in, did you download under the daily section?
[01:38] <candyban> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hoary/rc/kubuntu-hoary-install-i386.iso
[01:38] <candyban> cartel_: selecting on install?
[01:38] <apokryphos> Yes, that's the RC
[01:39] <candyban> cartel_: I could select base system or default ... I chose default
[01:39] <apokryphos> I find it hard to believe that the problem is not the users' side when many have installed that successfully
[01:39] <apokryphos> *user's
[01:39] <candyban> it couldn't configure apt ... perhaps that's what went wrong?
[01:39] <cartel_> candyban: so the installation did not complete successfuly?
[01:39] <candyban> cartel_: no
[01:39] <apokryphos> candyban: no, it wouldn't stop you having kubuntu-desktop
[01:40] <candyban> cartel_: I tried it several times to reconfigure apt from the installation menu ... but it wouldn't fly ... so then I used the cd checker which came up with "all packages ok" or something
[01:41] <candyban> cartel_: then I selected the install LILO and reboot options
[01:41] <cartel_> firefox on kubuntu looks fugly
[01:41] <cartel_> in fact any gtk app looks fugly
[01:41] <randabis> I'm installing the sims 2 on here :p
[01:41] <apokryphos> cartel_: have you got the gtk engine?
[01:41] <cartel_> and there is no option in kcontrol for gtk shit
[01:41] <cartel_> apokryphos huh? packagename?
[01:41] <apokryphos> cartel_: gtk2-engine-gtk-qt
[01:41] <Riddell> cartel_: install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[01:41] <apokryphos> snap
[01:42] <Riddell> bingo
[01:42] <cartel_> ok installed
[01:42] <apokryphos> Then the option should come up in kcontrol
[01:42] <cartel_> need to do anything else?
[01:42] <candyban> apokryphos: I can't imagine I'm the first one ever to have problems with the current kubuntu installation
[01:43] <apokryphos> candyban: Well, no-one else has complained, and it's been up for well over a day now
[01:43] <cartel_> cool
[01:43] <candyban> apokryphos: btw. What can cause apt not to configure?
[01:43] <apokryphos> candyban: is the Internet working properly?
[01:43] <candyban> apokryphos: yep
[01:43] <chavo> candyban, I installed kubuntu about a week or so ago and had similar problems.
[01:43] <cartel_> ok brb restarting 
[01:43] <apokryphos> candyban: can you sudo apt-get update?
[01:43] <candyban> apokryphos: yes
[01:43] <randabis> crap
[01:44] <randabis> can't eject lol
[01:44] <chavo> I reburned the iso at a much slower speed and it then installed flawlessly
[01:44] <apokryphos> candyban: and can you install things?
[01:44] <candyban> apokryphos: it's installed now .... I am just a bit disappointed it did not install all that with the installer
[01:45] <apokryphos> candyban: erm, out of interest, just how did you install apt?
[01:47] <candyban> apokryphos: It was installed ... though the installer (after the stage of installing all packages) said it had to configure apt ... and then at 50% I got a red message saying it failed and gave an option to return to the installation menu so I could select what to do next (e.g. run configure apt again or install lilo, grub, ...)
[01:48] <candyban> apokryphos: I md5sum-ed my iso ... and it's fine ... Also the CD consistency checker (or something?) completed successfully ... so I am sure I don't have a corrupted download/scratch/...
[01:49] <kkathman> Question:  What would be the best way in KDE for me to drag and drop files from my samba network (i.e. a windows box) over to a linux directory?
[01:49] <candyban> apokryphos: I just wanted to let you guys know about it ... as I have my system running now, I don't need a "fixed" installation cd ... but perhaps can save someone else half an hour of "work" (or more if they are totally clueless)
[01:50] <candyban> kkathman: konqueror?
[01:50] <lonewolff> kkathman: you should be able to access them in konqueror using smb://servername
[01:50] <kkathman> candyban:  Yah I thought so too, but I dont seem to see the samba network there
[01:51] <candyban> kkathman: try smb://ip.of.smb.server/share  as lonewolff suggested
[01:51] <kkathman> lonewolff, I'll give that a try
[01:51] <cartel_> network folders doesnt work in kubuntu either
[01:51] <cartel_> 'Add network folder' doesnt do anything
[01:52] <[dt] > if the md5sum's correct, there's still a chance of having wrong data; 1/(64^32) * 100 ~= 1.6e-56 :"> you might be absolutely unlucky ! :))
[01:52] <Riddell> cartel_: when did you install kubuntu?
[01:52] <cartel_> Riddell: tuesday
[01:52] <kkathman> lonewolff, That works great, thanks :)
[01:52] <lonewolff> np
[01:52] <Riddell> cartel_: Add a Network Folder should work, it launches knetattach
[01:53] <candyban> [dt] : hehe ... if that happened I guess I can post it as another "collision" to accelerate cracking of md5 :o)
[01:53] <cartel_> Riddell: not here it doesnt
[01:53] <cartel_> Riddell: network folder -> add network folder 
[01:53] <cartel_> Riddel: running knetattach works though
[01:54] <candyban> [dt] : Would even be more amazing that that 1 in 1.6e-56 chance would even boot and install something which even remotely looks like ubuntu, don't you think?
[01:55] <[dt] > candyban: lol yeah :))
[01:55] <candyban> Anyways ... it's 2 am right now ... have to get up in 5 hours ...
[01:56] <[dt] > it's 4:30 am here :))
[01:56] <kkathman> wow it takes me some getting used to these permission things, after working so long in windows :)
[01:56] <jeroenvrp> hi evrybody
[01:56] <candyban> anyways ... just letting you guys know at least one person still has issues with the current rc 
[01:57] <jeroenvrp> I'm wondering if I should switch from SuSE to Kubunti
[01:57] <jeroenvrp> sorry Kubuntu
[01:57] <jeroenvrp> example: does kubunti have something similar to yast?
[01:58] <jeroenvrp> example: does kubuntu have something similar to yast?
[01:58] <lonewolff> it has dpkg/apt-get so yes similar
[01:58] <cartel_> yast is a configuration tool
[01:58] <candyban> jeroenvrp: I doubt it ... but for package management you have apt
[01:58] <lonewolff> yast also lets you install packages
[01:58] <jeroenvrp> mm thats a shame
[01:59] <candyban> cartel_: IIRC yast can also install/update software packages
[01:59] <jeroenvrp> lonewolff: yes I know, but I allready use apt for rpm, so thats not a problem
[01:59] <kkathman> jeroenvrp ubuntu (kubuntu is just the KDE for ubuntu) is very similar, but a much easier environment in my opinion than SuSE
[01:59] <lonewolff> ah ic
[01:59] <kkathman> but then I'm partial to debian's philosophy (on which ubuntu is based I believe)
[01:59] <jeroenvrp> so does ubuntu/kubuntu have a graphical configtool?
[02:00] <kkathman> jeroenvrp, yes
[02:00] <candyban> btw ... is it "normal" for kubuntu that when you "sudo apt-get install gimp" that the kde menu is not updated?
[02:00] <Riddell> cartel_: nope, gimp should appear in the kmenu under graphics
[02:00] <kkathman> candyban - what do you want updated?
[02:00] <Riddell> that to candyban 
[02:00] <kkathman> typically gimp should be in the menu
[02:01] <candyban> kkathman: that an entry appears in the menu
[02:01] <LeeJunFan> I see there's no mplayer in repos, what the best thing to play wavs from cmdline? artsplay stinks - some wavs it just won't play.
[02:01] <kkathman> candyban, yep should be in the kmenu panel
[02:01] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: it's there
[02:01] <Riddell> LeeJunFan: kaffeine?
[02:01] <candyban> kkathman: It was not there ... I had to manually add it ...
[02:01] <Riddell> amarok, juk
[02:02] <candyban> perhaps I am missing some additional packages which autoconfigure the kde menu?
[02:02] <candyban> just guessing here
[02:02] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: you might want to install the specific one (per the instructions on Restricted formats article); many (including myself) had problems when not installing specific one for comp
[02:03] <candyban> LeeJunFan: I'm not sure, but I thought mpg321 could play wav files as well
[02:03] <candyban> LeeJunFan: or aplay (or something)
[02:04] <LeeJunFan> candyban: I've had issues, some play mp3 encoded wavs, some dont. mplayer worked for everything.
[02:04] <apokryphos> (It's in Multiverse)
[02:04] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: ahh, that explains it.
[02:05] <apokryphos> no Multi enabled? ;-)
[02:05] <LeeJunFan> nope. hehe
[02:05] <randabis> heh, I thought I was gonna get to play the sims 2 :(
[02:06] <candyban> LeeJunFan: perhaps you should try the "file" command to determine which type it is ... perhaps your mp3 encoded wav is just an mp3 with .wav extension
[02:06] <LeeJunFan> candyban: true
[02:06] <randabis> cedega isn't there yet for it...it will install, but it isn't playable
[02:06] <LeeJunFan> RIFF
[02:06] <LeeJunFan> root@jkd:~/ext/junfan# file /home/junfan/wavs/siren.wav
[02:06] <LeeJunFan> /home/junfan/wavs/siren.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, MPEG Layer 3, mono 11025 Hz
[02:06] <apokryphos> Riddell: can essentially anything go into Uni/Multiverse? Presuming there's no violation etc.. 
[02:07] <Riddell> apokryphos: yep, what do you have in mind?
[02:07] <apokryphos> Riddell: if so, why aren't popular programs like limewire/azureus in the repos?
[02:07] <apokryphos> (the only non-K* programs I use)
[02:07] <treke> apokryphos: they are java apps
[02:07] <apokryphos> Yes...
[02:08] <treke> there are no java packages 
[02:08] <candyban> LeeJunFan: don't know how to play them ... didn't encounter them anymore since I switched to Linux
[02:08] <Riddell> apokryphos: are they Free Software?
[02:08] <candyban> LeeJunFan: sorry
[02:09] <LeeJunFan> candyban: owell, I got mplayer installing now :)
[02:09] <apokryphos> Riddell: They're both free to download (Limewire has a pro version, though, which you need to pay for). They're not published under GPL or anything, as I recall.
[02:10] <Riddell> apokryphos: well they have to be Free Software else ubuntu isn't allowed to distribute them
[02:10] <LeeJunFan> part of my alarm script that sounds an alert if my servers/links go down. It's storming outside and I own a wireless ISP :)
[02:10] <pepina> what packages are in kubuntu? can't find a link
[02:11] <Riddell> pepina: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hoary/rc/kubuntu-hoary-install-i386.list
[02:11] <apokryphos> Riddell: I see. Thanks.
[02:11] <apokryphos> Riddell: quick other question: does ubuntulinux.org plan on having a link to Kubuntu closer to home? ;-)
[02:12] <pepina> any one ?
[02:12] <Riddell> pepina: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hoary/rc/kubuntu-hoary-install-i386.list
[02:12] <pepina> thanks :D
[02:13] <Riddell> apokryphos: good question, you should suggest it to them
[02:13] <apokryphos> Ok, I think I'll email them.
[02:14] <LeeJunFan> lots of kde updates just came.
[02:14] <candyban> Just wondering ... why does kubuntu actually exist? ... wouldn't it make more sense to have the ubuntu installer let the user decide between gnome or kde (or both)
[02:14] <LeeJunFan> good quanta - seeing as it just segged on me a min ago.
[02:15] <apokryphos> candyban: not enough space on the CD
[02:15] <Riddell> apokryphos: actually they're chaning the plone template in the next day or two, might want to suggest they use that as an opportunity :)
[02:15] <candyban> apokryphos: ah ... k
[02:15] <candyban> apokryphos: hehe ... so simple ;)
[02:15] <apokryphos> Riddell: Thanks; that'll be worth noting.
[02:15] <apokryphos> candyban: always ;-)
[02:16] <apokryphos> 'night
[02:16] <kkathman> cya candy :)
[02:16] <kkathman> apokryphos, is there a reason why I cant see my cd rom in konqueror?
[02:16] <kkathman> do I have to mount that thing each time I want to use it?
[02:17] <apokryphos> kkathman: Automount is meant to work in KDE, I think, but randabis was reporting that it wasn't working for him, so I'm not entirely sure.
[02:17] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: right click your desktop and add a new device, choose the mount entry for your CD-ROM. It should put an icon on your desktop for cd-rom them.
[02:17] <apokryphos> kkathman: the CD-rom item should still appear there.
[02:18] <kkathman> LeeJunFan, Thanks I'll try that
[02:18] <kkathman> apokryphos,  I would have thought so also
[02:18] <kkathman> ahhh wait...its there now for some reason..hmmm
[02:19] <kkathman> how strange
[02:19] <randabis> yeah, I had to manually mount my cdrom
[02:22] <kkathman> man, this new system I got really shows off Linux quite well...so much better than what I had before :)
[02:25] <cartel_> candyban: apt-get install menu ?
[02:41] <apokryphos> Icon-Theme recommendation of the week: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=13286
[02:53] <randabis> I've been looking for a crystal replacement
[02:54] <apokryphos> Crystal! Yes, suffice it to say there are a few possibles. :)
[02:55] <apokryphos> That guy actually has quite a few similar ones based around the same thing, but slightly different colours etc. check his history to see the others
[03:02] <jsubl2> so hows the new release lookin
[03:04] <kkathman> has anyone had any experience in getting Macromedia Flash installed into Konqueror?
[03:04] <kkathman> The only options seem to be Opera, IE and Mozilla
[03:04] <apokryphos> kkathman: Yup, what'st he problem?
[03:05] <apokryphos> kkathman: you just have to point to the Flash plugin with Konqueror
[03:05] <apokryphos> jsubl2: very nice :)
[03:05] <kkathman> apokryphos, Point to it?
[03:05] <kkathman> I have it installed for Firefox and Opera
[03:05] <apokryphos> Configure Konqueror > Plugins
[03:07] <jsubl2> so is this one mostly complete.. the beta lacked several apps
[03:08] <apokryphos> jsubl2: Yes, the RC is out
[03:08] <kkathman> apokryphos, I did the scan for new plugins, is it Mozilla based then?
[03:08] <jsubl2> yeah i am about 20 min from installing it.. dl'ing it now
[03:08] <apokryphos> kkathman: Konqueror? No. Mozilla is Gecko; Konqueror KHTML
[03:08] <apokryphos> kkathman: but the plugin isn't Mozilla-specific
[03:09] <cartel_> ok thats interesting...
[03:09] <kkathman> apokryphos, hmm ok, I know the flash plugin downloaded, cuz it works in Firefox
[03:09] <cartel_> running mozilla-firefox from kubuntu, use the internal download manager and then try and open the file
[03:09] <cartel_> it doesnt launch
[03:09] <kkathman> apokryphos, but I have no idea where it is to point to it
[03:10] <apokryphos> kkathman: alright, all you have to do now is point to /home/user/.mozilla/plugins/
[03:10] <apokryphos> cartel_: hmm, works fine here.
[03:10] <cartel_> hmm
[03:11] <apokryphos> cartel_: you're not trying to run mozilla-firefox, are you, as a command?
[03:11] <apokryphos> Nah, if it downloaded properly then the mirror problem is ruled out...
[03:12] <cartel_> apokryphos: i launch it from k menu
[03:13] <cartel_> eek, it was out of date
[03:13] <cartel_> 266 upgraded, 11 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:13] <cartel_> Need to get 221MB/340MB of archives.
[03:13] <apokryphos> I don't see why that would stop it running, though...
[03:13] <cartel_> ack!
[03:14] <cartel_> hmm.. new xorg
[03:14] <apokryphos> you don't have to do a full upgrade :)
[03:14] <apokryphos> you can update only firefox, if you like.
[03:14] <cartel_> new firefox, oo,
[03:14] <cartel_> new build of kde..
[03:14] <apokryphos> hehe
[03:14] <cartel_> i bet the update of xorg kills my xinerama too
[03:15] <cartel_> does ubuntu use python instead of perl a lot?
[03:15] <cartel_> ie, postinst/preinst
[03:17] <apokryphos> Generally, I think. IIRC, Mark is a fan of python
[03:17] <cartel_> apokryphos: you are a kubuntu developer?
[03:17] <apokryphos> cartel_: nope
[03:18] <cartel_> apokryphos: k
[03:18] <cartel_> apokryphos: kde devel then?
[03:18] <apokryphos> nope :P
[03:18] <cartel_> so you just hang out in teh devel chans to look cool? :)
[03:19] <apokryphos> cartel_: Heh, nope. To learn. :)
[03:28] <randabis> bah, I might have to use mozilla again if this keeps up
[03:30] <closure> how do i take a screen shot in here?
[03:30] <closure> err KDE
[03:30] <closure> in KDE
[03:30] <apokryphos> closure: you can use ksnapshot
[03:30] <apokryphos> randabis: what now? ;-)
[03:30] <closure> thanks
[03:32] <closure> is there a gui FTP for K?
[03:32] <closure> Kftp or something?
[03:33] <randabis> apokryphos: just konqueror being a bitch after using it a while
[03:33] <apokryphos> closure: sure. Konqueror :)
[03:33] <randabis> it becomes very unresponsive
[03:33] <randabis> I have to close it and reopen it
[03:33] <apokryphos> ergh
[03:34] <randabis> yeah
[03:34] <randabis> ergh indeed
[03:34] <jsubl2> install time
[03:34] <apokryphos> randabis: recurring problem or problem with latest update?
[03:35] <randabis> recurring
[03:36] <randabis> it feels like a memory leak or something
[03:37] <apokryphos> when it starts freezing up, have you done a top to see if it's eating CPU perhaps?
[03:37] <randabis> nah, I should though...hehe
[03:37] <randabis> I will next time
[03:38] <randabis> the thing is though
[03:38] <randabis> only konqueror becomes unresponsive
[03:38] <randabis> other programs still work fine
[03:38] <closure> apokryphos, i'm speaking something like Bullet Proof FTP
[03:38] <apokryphos> closure: bullet proof?
[03:38] <closure> for windows
[03:38] <closure> like CuteFTP
[03:38] <apokryphos> randabis: yeah, it might be worth trying. Perhaps file a bug report if it continues
[03:39] <closure> an easy to use FTP gui
[03:39] <apokryphos> closure: I don't understand... it is *very* easy to use
[03:39] <randabis> you could try the firefox fireftp extension closure 
[03:39] <apokryphos> it's just like Konqueror file manager
[03:39] <closure> how do i use it?
[03:39] <closure> ftp://l:p@host?
[03:39] <apokryphos> closure: ftp.somedomain.com
[03:39] <lonewolff> just goto an ftp site in konqueror and there you go, its like browsing a local filesystem
[03:40] <closure> no
[03:40] <closure> i want to be able to upload and shit
[03:40] <closure> does it do that?
[03:40] <apokryphos> if you don't like it another decent K FTP app on the market is KBear
[03:40] <apokryphos> closure: course
[03:40] <closure> just drag and drop?
[03:40] <lonewolff> just drag things over and it uploads
[03:40] <apokryphos> precisely
[03:40] <closure> strange
[03:40] <lonewolff> just like copying files locally
[03:40] <closure> ok
[03:40] <apokryphos> Check the Handbook for more information
[03:41] <closure> well isn't that spiffy
[03:41] <apokryphos> Yup, very handy
[03:41] <lonewolff> konqueror rocks
[03:43] <closure> indeed
[03:44] <randabis> konqueror does rock...when it doesn't start acting like crap
[03:44] <randabis> :)
[03:44] <closure> does IE do that? cause i'm going to feel like an idiot for using clients all these years
[03:44] <apokryphos> closure: nope
[03:44] <closure> ok
[03:44] <cartel_> i have a hard time telling my devels to develop for konq
[03:44] <cartel_> you know if it works in konq it works in all browsers
[03:44] <closure> and i don't suppose you can que with konqueror either can you?
[03:44] <randabis> IE = abomination
[03:45] <randabis> khtml is a pretty decent implementation 
[03:45] <randabis> gecko is still more accurate overall I'd say
[03:45] <apokryphos> Safari are using it, too :P
[03:45] <randabis> yeah
[03:45] <apokryphos> closure: que?
[03:45] <cartel_> Safari dont give anything back to khtml..
[03:45] <closure> like que files
[03:45] <closure> for uploading
[03:45] <closure> from different places
[03:47] <apokryphos> Dunno, I guess not. It would probably try to do them all at once, like the File Manager would, I guess.
[03:47] <closure> hrm
[03:47] <closure> ok
[03:47] <closure> well do you know of an ftp client that would support htat?
[03:48] <apokryphos> closure: KBear is your best bet, but I haven't used it in some time.
[03:49] <closure> hrm
[03:49] <closure> ok
[03:53] <apokryphos> closure: though, I should have noted that if you copy and paste them -- in one swoop -- from konqueror to ftp up then it will do them one after the other
[03:55] <apokryphos> i.e. in a que
[03:57] <closure> yeah but that's not quite what i'm looking for
[03:59] <closure> hrm
[04:00] <closure> how do i completely remove gnome from ubuntu now?
[04:00] <randabis> I'd use deborphan
[04:00] <randabis> that would be the easiest way probably
[04:01] <closure> ok
[04:01] <closure> can you take me through the steps?
[04:01] <closure> i'm quite a know nothing with this linux stuff as of yet
[04:01] <lonewolff> would sudo apt-get remove gnome* not suffice (just a guess btw)
[04:02] <closure> that will remove apps too that are used in K though won't it?
[04:03] <randabis> err
[04:03] <randabis> I think I meant debfoster
[04:03] <randabis> not deborphan
[04:03] <closure> ok
[04:03] <closure> do i just do "debfoster" at a command line?
[04:06] <randabis> do "sudo debfoster -q" to assume yes to all questions. Then edit the /var/lib/debfosterkeepers and remove the line ubuntu-desktop and other lines with packages you want to remove. Only packages that don't depend on other packages are listed so the list won't be very long unless you broke some meta-package like kubuntu-desktop.
[04:06] <randabis> then do sudo debfoster
[04:07] <randabis> it will ask you what you want to do with ubuntu-desktop, choose purge
[04:07] <randabis> I've never tried that method so it may or may not work
[04:08] <closure> sudo: debfoster: command not found
[04:08] <randabis> and it may not remove all of gnome
[04:08] <randabis> apt-get install debfoster
[04:08] <underlord> quanta keeps crashing on me after an upgrade to latest stuff, where can i report the crash to kubuntu?
[04:08] <closure> you're saying debfoster is a method you've never tried?
[04:09] <randabis> yes
[04:09] <randabis> the only other way I know of is to manually locate all the packages yourself and remove them
[04:09] <randabis> debfoster is supposed to in theory do that for you
[04:10] <apokryphos> underlord: after the upgrade just now?
[04:10] <underlord> not right this seccond, i upgraded last night, and ever since... im trying reinstallation in synaptic now...
[04:10] <jsubl2> well the install went great!!
[04:11] <apokryphos> underlord: try one now. It was updated today
[04:11] <underlord> ooh
[04:12] <underlord> maybe i started upgrading while the new packages ehere half uploaded or something
[04:12] <closure> i can't apt-get install debfoster
[04:12] <randabis> did you use sudo?
[04:12] <apokryphos> underlord: Doubtful... it was done a few hours ago
[04:12] <closure>  apt-get install debfoster
[04:12] <closure> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:12] <closure> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[04:12] <closure> i'm in root terminal
[04:12] <closure> i don't need to sudo
[04:12] <randabis> closure: do you have synaptic open or something?
[04:12] <closure> i didn't think atleast
[04:12] <closure> i had kynaptic open
[04:12] <closure> but i closed it
[04:12] <randabis> it should work now then
[04:12] <closure> it's probably frozen in the background or something
[04:13] <randabis> ps aux can tell you if it is or not
[04:14] <underlord> seems to be stable now
[04:14] <closure> it says it its
[04:14] <closure> err is
[04:14] <closure> how do i kill it?
[04:15] <randabis> kill (pid)
[04:15] <randabis> pid = the number
[04:15] <lonewolff> or killall -9 processname
[04:16] <randabis> yeah
[04:19] <closure> ok still not working
[04:20] <closure> hrm
[04:20] <closure> i'll restart in a second i guess
[04:22] <randabis> ah
[04:22] <closure> ?
[04:22] <randabis> you might be able to get rid of most gnome things by removing libgnome-2.0
[04:22] <closure> it's just that one dude
[04:22] <closure> i can apt-get anything else
[04:22] <closure> just not debfoster
[04:23] <Roey> hi all
[04:23] <closure> hello
[04:23] <Roey> why is my KDE Keyboard layouts list empty?
[04:23] <closure> no clue
[04:24] <Roey> In Control Panel->Regional & Accessibility->Keyboard Layout, the list of layouts is empty.
[04:24] <closure> randabis apt-get remove libgnome-2.0
[04:24] <closure> ?
[04:25] <Riddell> Roey: works for me
[04:25] <Roey> Riddell:  arg
[04:25] <Roey> Riddell:  hi! btw
[04:25] <apokryphos> closure: yes, that's it.
[04:25] <Riddell> hello
[04:25] <closure> hrm
[04:25] <closure> apt-get is being funky
[04:25] <closure> i probably just broke it
[04:25] <closure> lol
[04:26] <Roey> gnight!
[04:26] <closure> apokryphos, do you know how to change my clock to not be 24 mode all the time?
[04:27] <apokryphos> closure: right-click > Configure clock
[04:27] <closure> not in there
[04:27] <closure> i tried that
[04:28] <randabis> maybe try date and time format
[04:28] <apokryphos> closure: you're not talking about the one in kicker? That really is where you change it from...
[04:28] <closure> the one in the system tray
[04:28] <closure> there's nothing in there that says "24 format" or anything like that
[04:30] <closure> found it
[04:30] <closure> *kicks self in eye*
[04:31] <lonewolff> night all
[04:31] <randabis> hmm
[04:32] <randabis> wonder how long until konqueror starts becoming unresponsive again
[04:32] <Roey> OK
[04:32] <Roey> I created a new user and I still see NO keyboard layouts in Control Center->Regional&Accessibility->Keyboard Layout
[04:32] <Roey> I don't see anything in the  Keyboard Type combobox, tierh.
[04:32] <Roey> *either.
[04:34] <closure> do i want to keep nautilus?
[04:37] <randabis> I don't know, do you?
[04:45] <closure> well
[04:45] <closure> i don't really want anything heh
[04:50] <randabis> then I think you answered your own question
[04:51] <closure> i don't know what it does though
[04:52] <closure> hrm
[04:52] <closure> how do i run the KDE mediamanager?
[04:57] <delltony_> it is good to know that the kubuntu team actually listens to bug reports :) thanks for fixing the menu editor bug again ;)
[04:59] <LeeJunFan> delltony_: yeah, I was beginning to think I may as well run gnome :) hehe. ok - well we actually had a menu editor - so I guess it wasn't that bad.
[04:59] <delltony_> no i wasn't gonna go that far
[04:59] <delltony_> cause it actually worked
[04:59] <delltony_> they had it working before int he first update to 3.4
[04:59] <delltony_> then it stopped working
[04:59] <delltony_> now its working again
[05:00] <delltony_> now if they would only fix kmixer id be a happy camper :)
[05:00] <randabis> heh
[05:01] <delltony_> cause i have no way to know how high my volume is
[05:01] <delltony_> well i kinda do
[05:01] <delltony_> but not a gui
[05:02] <closure> k pretty sure i just broke some shit
[05:02] <LeeJunFan> delltony_: what's wrong with kmixer? mine works fine.
[05:02] <delltony_> well
[05:02] <closure> i got like 3 errors when i booted and the pop up windows are black on kde
[05:02] <delltony_> your probably controls master
[05:03] <delltony_> my master doesn't do jack, only pcm and headphones and mono do anything
[05:03] <delltony_> so if i could switch like you can in gnome to pcm
[05:03] <delltony_> my problem would be solved 
[05:03] <LeeJunFan> delltony_: no kidding. I wonder if there's a module options you could give your sound module for that?
[05:04] <delltony_> i have asked alsa and all
[05:04] <delltony_> they seem to be clueless
[05:04] <LeeJunFan> oh, well then, I guess I have no clue. What kind of sound card do you have?
[05:05] <LeeJunFan> closure: yeah, that sounds kind of broken.
[05:05] <closure> damnit
[05:05] <delltony_> if i knew how to code gui's (maybe ill learn how) i could easily make it control aumix like i do with lineakd
[05:06] <LeeJunFan> what if you install aumix-gtk?
[05:06] <delltony_> yeah i got that
[05:07] <delltony_> but i like the little icon on the system tray
[05:07] <delltony_> that says yeah foo you have sound :)
[05:07] <delltony_> ac97 audio controller though
[05:07] <closure> *sighs*
[05:07] <closure> p.o.s.
[05:08] <LeeJunFan> closure: so what did you do to cause this?
[05:08] <closure> tried to remove gnome
[05:08] <closure> i did what somebody said
[05:08] <closure> debfoster
[05:08] <LeeJunFan> and it screwed up kde?
[05:08] <closure> and then removed 'ubuntu-destop'
[05:09] <closure> and some other shit
[05:09] <closure> yeah
[05:09] <closure> apparently
[05:09] <LeeJunFan> do you get a login screen?
[05:09] <closure> yeah
[05:09] <LeeJunFan> and it's ok?
[05:09] <closure> i'm reinstalling ubuntu-desktop
[05:09] <closure> and seeing if that ill fix it
[05:09] <closure> k brb
[05:09] <closure> reboot
[05:10] <delltony_> well i know for a fact the guy probably didn't tell you wrong cause i removed gnome by wiping out libgtk
[05:10] <delltony_> and i have no problems
[05:11] <delltony_> i put libgtk back cause some applications i like (gimp) needs them
[05:11] <randabis> I warned him...
[05:11] <delltony_> thats all you can do man
[05:11] <delltony_> and help me to understand something
[05:11] <delltony_> why do folks think you have to reboot linux
[05:12] <randabis> sometimes you need to, but not often
[05:12] <delltony_> well i just restart x
[05:12] <delltony_> but i do see your point
[05:12] <unnameablePLAYER> sometimes linux gets into the swap and you have to reboot if you want it zippy again
[05:13] <randabis> restarting x won't let you run a new kernel
[05:13] <delltony_> unnameablePLAYER, thats true
[05:13] <randabis> something like that requires a reboot
[05:13] <delltony_> and randabis i agree with that as well
[05:13] <delltony_> i was thinking like minor updates
[05:13] <delltony_> there is aways a reboot for major things like that
[05:13] <delltony_> anyway was just curious
[05:13] <unnameablePLAYER> who thinks you have to reboot it?
[05:14] <delltony_> closure did
[05:14] <randabis> otherwise, it isn't unusual to have linux machines running for months without reboots, even years
[05:14] <delltony_> man i have had my desktop running according to uptime 1 year 39 days
[05:14] <randabis> though the years mark is more common with *BSD
[05:15] <delltony_> but i run ubuntu warty on it with fluxbox
[05:15] <closure> well hells bells
[05:15] <closure> no errors this time
[05:15] <closure> but the menu's are still black
[05:15] <closure> err pop up
[05:15] <closure> s
[05:15] <closure> any ideas?
[05:18] <delltony_> closure how about going to a terminal and type "sleep 3; xwd -out myblackmenus.jpg  and then upload it to imageark or some other image hosting site so maybe we can understand what you re talking about
[05:19] <closure> ok
[05:19] <delltony_> obviously make sure the popups as you state are still on the screen
[05:20] <closure> didn't work out quite right
[05:20] <closure> gave me a cross hair
[05:20] <delltony_> yeah
[05:20] <delltony_> thats your indication to click :)
[05:20] <delltony_> so it takes the snap
[05:20] <delltony_> it just gives you time to open up your stuff
[05:20] <closure> oh
[05:20] <closure> it's not that
[05:20] <closure> you know when your mouse goes over the K Menu
[05:20] <closure> it pops up that box that says "K Menu"
[05:20] <delltony_> yeah
[05:21] <closure> that is black
[05:21] <delltony_> oh
[05:21] <closure> with black text and a white shadow
[05:21] <closure> as opposed to the white with black text
[05:21] <delltony_> isn't htat a graphic?
[05:21] <delltony_> as in kubuntu-artwork?
[05:21] <delltony_> correct me if i'm wrong
[05:21] <closure> make sense?
[05:21] <closure> i have no idea
[05:22] <closure> i didn't think i deleted any art work
[05:22] <delltony_> not sure honestly
[05:22] <delltony_> oh i seen this somewhere hang on let me look
[05:22] <closure> cool i'll brb going to make a sandwhich
[05:22] <closure> thanks for the help
[05:23] <delltony_> hmm i know i seen this somewhere where you could change hte icon and all
[05:26] <delltony_> not sure man but i'm almost certain i seen that
[05:26] <delltony_> when i was having issues with kicker
[05:38] <closure> hrm
[05:41] <randabis> I had that problem too closure...it happened when I switched to baghira
[05:41] <smouche> I'm confused about firefox versions, can someone enlighten me:  I have Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050328 Firefox/1.0 (Ubuntu package 1.0.2)
[05:41] <randabis> I ended up just turning those popups off
[05:41] <closure> how do you do that?
[05:41] <smouche> What I don't know is, am I using the 32 bit or 64 bit firefox on my amd64?
[05:42] <smouche> (I'm running hoary of course)
[05:42] <smouche> hoary, b4 bit kubuntu
[05:42] <randabis> kcontrol
[05:43] <smouche> I understand that many plug-ins won't work with the 64 bit firefox, but I don't know how to change versions, or even which I have...
[05:45] <randabis> omg
[05:45] <randabis> that's bad
[05:51] <Roey> HI
[05:51] <Roey> I HAVE PROBLEM WITH KUBUNTU
[05:51] <Roey> I created a new user and I still see NO keyboard layouts in Control Center->Regional&Accessibility->Keyboard Layout
[05:51] <Roey> I don't see anything in the  Keyboard Type combobox, tierh.
[05:51] <closure> Roey,  we all do
[05:51] <Roey> In Control Panel->Regional & Accessibility->Keyboard Layout, the list of layouts is empty.
[05:51] <closure> heh
[05:51] <Roey> ;)
[05:52] <randabis> my only problem is konqueror acting like crap every now and then
[05:54] <smouche> Roey, I have no idea really, but is it possible that the new user needs to be added to some group?  Is there a "keyboard" group in the user edit tab in kuser?
[05:55] <phxguy> anyone know how to make kmixer adjust my volume
[05:55] <kkathman> Question:  On the taskbar/kicker at the bottom of KDE, is there a way to make those "tool tips" non-existent?  I went to the configure center for panels and unchecked the "Show tool tips" but they didnt go away.
[05:55] <Roey> smouche:  it wasn't like this for my previous installation of debian.. (now I am on kubuntu)
[05:55] <Roey> smouche:  there is a keyboard group???
[05:57] <chavo> kkathman, configure panel -> Apperance Tab ; uncheck Enable icon mouseover effects
[05:57] <closure> randabis, i can't find the toggle to turn off those pop ups
[05:57] <kkathman> chavo, thanks for that...I appreciate your help :)
[05:57] <closure> do you remember where it is
[05:57] <chavo> sure, anytime :)
[05:59] <smouche> Roey, I don't know.  Probably not!
[05:59] <Roey> smouche:  ok
[05:59] <Roey> smouche:  it wasn't /ever/ an issue
[05:59] <Roey> before
[06:00] <smouche> Roey, I gave up on trying to have multiple keyboard layouts.  Switching layouts in linux just sucks for me so far.  
[06:01] <Roey> smouche:  it's easy for me.. I set it to shift+shift
[06:02] <smouche> Roey:  my problem is, if I add a layout that uses dead keys, then the normal layout seems to get stuck with dead keys too.  So I can't keep a "normal" keyboard for friends to use, while having one for me that lets me use accent marks
[06:03] <Roey> oh
[06:03] <Roey> smouche:  well... that sounds like a KDE problem
[06:03] <Roey> smouche:  has it been reported to b.k.o?
[06:04] <smouche> Windows input method editors seem a hell of a lot easier to use than the linux stuff, but I haven't had time to research this.  Sick of fussing with crap like this.
[06:04] <smouche> Roey: sorry, I don't know what b.k.o is
[06:05] <Roey> smouche:  bugs.kde.org
[06:05] <Roey> smouche:  ms seems good at making bugles sinterfaces (to me)
[06:05] <smouche> ah, thanks Roey.  
[06:06] <smouche> well, I don't know about that, Roey!  ;-)  But at least they're bugs I've already learned to cope with!
[06:06] <Roey> =) =)
[06:06] <Roey> btw how old are you/where are you from?
[06:06] <Roey> I'm 24
[06:07] <Roey> in Maryland, USA
[06:07] <Roey> wroking in Virginia
[06:08] <smouche> heh, reverse those digits, you (almost) have my age, Roey.  I'm in New York.  I lived in Prince Georges county, many years ago. Just for a year.  Can't remember the name of the town, believe it or not!
[06:08] <Roey> haha!
[06:08] <Roey> oh wow
[06:08] <Roey> PG
[06:08] <Roey> home of..
[06:08] <Roey> ghettoness :)
[06:09] <Roey> at least these days
[06:10] <smouche> It was different for an upstate New York country kid like me, that's for sure.
[06:17] <smouche> All right, I finally realized where I went wrong; I should have installed the 32 bit kubuntu for my amd64.  I didn't realize that firefox plug-ins and other stuff would be a problem with a 64 bit system.
[06:17] <wi43> i just installed kubuntu on my ibook
[06:17] <wi43> i have a linksys wireless usb, do you think it will work
[06:17] <smouche> My question is, can I convert my installation to 32 bits, or do I just have to reinstall everything?
[06:17] <wi43> are you running opteron
[06:18] <wi43> or athlon
[06:18] <smouche> (the technical workarounds for setting up 32 bit environments for certain apps are beyond me right now, knowledge-wise and time-wise)
[06:20] <wi43> do the 32bit apps not work?
[06:20] <smouche> wi43, was that to me?  I assume it's "Athlon", not Opteron that I have; anyway, hp laptop with amd64
[06:20] <ChaosZ3RO> How do I configure alsa in kubuntu? Alsaconf doesn't work
[06:21] <crimsun> that's because alsaconf was stripped from 'alsa-utils' for being such a shoddy program.
[06:22] <crimsun> in most cases, you don't need alsaconf at all
[06:22] <crimsun> hotplug handles pci and usb sound cards
[06:22] <jsubl2> alsa was configured automagically for me
[06:22] <ChaosZ3RO> great
[06:23] <jsubl2> kubuntu is really shaping up to be a contender
[06:25] <wi43> what does kubuntu provide over the debian installation'
[06:25] <wi43> ie, what customizations are added
[06:25] <jsubl2> kde 3.4 for one
[06:25] <wi43> yeah, 3.4 is nice
[06:25] <wi43> i like it
[06:25] <jsubl2> it won't be in debian till after the release
[06:26] <wi43> that was why i installed it today
[06:26] <wi43> and man does it do mac / yaboot formatting well
[06:26] <wi43> although i think that the debian does too
[06:26] <jsubl2> well i asked on the debian-amd64 channel.  they said nada.
[06:27] <jsubl2> no 3.4 till after the release.
[06:27] <_phate_> what version of KDE does Kubuntu use?
[06:27] <jsubl2> 3.4
[06:27] <incubii> i have found that KDM has a bug at least on my G4 setup. it bootups into a really screwy image with rainbow colors. but if i install GDM and make that the default i do not get this problem
[06:28] <_phate_> and whats the diff between Ubuntu and Kubuntu? Is it just KDE?
[06:28] <jsubl2> incubii: i have not seen that on the amd64 release
[06:28] <incubii> does anyone know if this is a common problem or already been put through bugzilla
[06:28] <incubii> well its done it on two different G4s
[06:28] <incubii> but they are the same setup
[06:28] <jsubl2> incubii: matter of fact i thought the kdm looked really nice
[06:29] <incubii> oh it looks great
[06:29] <incubii> after i restart the xserver
[06:29] <incubii> if i could take a screenshot i would
[06:29] <_phate_> incubii: not that I have anything against Macs, but maybe its your mac?
[06:30] <incubii> well then its two seperate G4 Macs that do it only with KDM and not GDM, which leads me to beleive it is KDM and possibly some setting
[06:30] <smouche> folks, I have 64 bit , and I want 32 bit.  Do I have to just reinstall, or can I downgrade somehow?
[06:30] <crimsun> smouche: why not use a 32-bit chroot?
[06:30] <incubii> any ideas what i should be looking for
[06:31] <incubii> i dont like booting up to ubunutu login only to load kubuntu, lol
[06:31] <incubii> ubuntu*
[06:31] <wi43> crimsun good idea
[06:31] <wi43> or you could use qemu
[06:31] <wi43> or xen
[06:31] <wi43> for 32 bit possibly
[06:32] <smouche> crimsun, because (sigh) I don't have a clue what chroot is (yet) and I'm running out of time learning how to deal with this stuff.  It just seems like fewer problems with 32 for me
[06:32] <_phate_> aren't all the packages in the ubuntu repository only for Gnome?
[06:32] <smouche> I didn't know when I installed the 64 bit version that I'd have browser plug-in problems etc.
[06:33] <_phate_> or tailored towards gnome
[06:33] <incubii> all i did was apt-get install gdm, works fine
[06:33] <crimsun> smouche: don't be lazy.  :)  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebootstrapChroot
[06:34] <smouche> I'm not being lazy, crimsun.  I would like to know if downgrading is possible, or if reinstall is easier.  Thank you for the link, I'll look at it, but I still would like to know what my other options are.
[06:35] <crimsun> smouche: a 32-bit chroot really is easiest
[06:35] <crimsun> smouche: no, you can't "downgrade" from a 64-bit install to a 32-bit one
[06:35] <crimsun> smouche: yes, you could always wipe and start over
[06:36] <smouche> uh hunh, despite the fact that that page is greek to me, crimsun.   Reinstall it is.  Thanks!  The hardest part now is just waiting for the download.
[06:36] <smouche> Glad I had the sense to make a /home partition.
[06:37] <Roey> crimsun:  oh, hi
[06:37] <Roey> crimsun:  did you see this message:
 In Control Panel->Regional & Accessibility->Keyboard Layout, the list of layouts is empty.
[06:37] <smouche> In fact, I have an extra couple of partitions; I guess I'll install 32 bit on the spare space, and keep this, and then learn this chroot business... ;-)  thanks crimsun!
 I don't see anything in the  Keyboard Type combobox, tierh.
 I created a new user and I still see NO keyboard layouts in Control Center->Regional&Accessibility->Keyboard Layout
[06:39] <crimsun> Roey: I did not, sorry, and I can't help with that, sorry.
[06:39] <ChaosZ3RO> Can someone tell me why a compiler wasn't installed right off the bat
[06:40] <Roey> crimsun:  ok
[06:40] <crimsun> ChaosZ3RO: because a desktop-oriented distro does not presume its users need development tools.
[06:41] <incubii> it is installed
[06:41] <incubii> not just setup
[06:42] <jsubl2> apt-get install build-essential
[06:42] <incubii> i did apt-get install gcc g++ and all it did was configure it no download at all
[06:42] <jsubl2> try the above
[06:43] <ChaosZ3RO> Not sure if you were trying to help me or not, but that worked. Thanks
[06:43] <jsubl2> great!! :)
[06:43] <ChaosZ3RO> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[06:44] <jsubl2> did u install kubuntu or ubunt
[06:44] <jsubl2> did u install kubuntu or ubuntu
[06:44] <incubii> well you have the compiler just not the dev stuff
[06:44] <ChaosZ3RO> kubuntu
[06:44] <incubii> lol
[06:44] <crimsun> ChaosZ3RO: libx11-dev
[06:44] <crimsun> ChaosZ3RO: what program are you trying to compile?
[06:44] <jsubl2> ChaosZ3RO: odd.. configured everything for me
[06:44] <ChaosZ3RO> karamba   :S
[06:45] <crimsun> ChaosZ3RO: enable universe and sudo apt-get install karamba
[06:45] <ChaosZ3RO> ah okay, was wondering why it wasn't in apt
[06:45] <incubii> multiverse is handy too
[06:45] <ChaosZ3RO> thanks, gonna do that now
[06:45] <incubii> now if only DVDs would work in my G4
[06:46] <incubii> instead of crashing konq and then crashing the crash monitor
[06:46] <incubii> :D
[06:50] <incubii> i will wait till release and then do a full install again
[06:50] <incubii> hopefully everything wil be smooth
[06:52] <incubii> does anyone know if accelerated compositing is being sorted out?
[06:52] <ChaosZ3RO> Nice, it installed karamba, thanks to whoever helped.
[06:56] <wpyle> Hi, is there a debugging kernel available? When I plug my wireless network card into my laptop, it freezes hard, and I can't find any mention in the syslog.
[06:57] <wi43> might be a usb power overload
[06:57] <crimsun> wpyle: alt+sysrq is enabled by default
[06:59] <wpyle> It doesn't do that in Knoppix 3.8
[06:59] <wpyle> hmm is there a more verbose log than syslog?
[07:04] <wi43> var/log/messages
[07:06] <wpyle> cool, thanks
[07:06] <wi43> np
[07:06] <wi43> you can also check /var/lib/(service here)/..
[07:06] <wpyle> uh oh, konq locked when browsing /var/log :(
[07:06] <wi43> dont use konq
[07:07] <wi43> use bash
[07:07] <wi43> cd /var/log
[07:07] <wi43> vi messages
[07:07] <wpyle> ok
[07:07] <wi43> shift GG
[07:07] <wi43> to go to the bottom
[07:07] <wi43>  use / to search
[07:07] <wi43> and 1 shift G to go to the top
[07:07] <wi43> or more /var/log/messages | grep usb
[07:13] <wpyle> how do you exit vi?
[07:13] <Xira> http://img24.exs.cx/img24/5060/desktop200503242rg.png
[07:13] <Xira> how do I get my kde pannel like that?
[07:18] <wpyle> right click the panel, click Configure Panel... in the context menu that pops up, and go to appearance tab. Try playing with the settings in there.
[07:20] <Xira> i cant get the actual tasks buttons to be trans
[07:20] <Xira> how do I do that
[07:20] <Xira> and the kde button and such
[07:20] <Xira> arent trans
[07:26] <Badtz_Mark> i want to use MSN messenger on kubuntu,whats the best alternative
[07:32] <Badtz_Mark> i want to use MSN messenger on kubuntu,whats the best alternative
[07:35] <da_bon_bon> Badtz_Mark: gaim, kopete
[07:37] <Badtz_Mark> o.k
[07:37] <Badtz_Mark> googling now
[07:38] <Badtz_Mark> which one should i download?
[07:38] <Badtz_Mark> auto package?
[07:39] <wpyle> kopete is installed by default, its in your KDE-menu > Internet
[07:39] <wpyle> you could try that first, see if it meets your needs
[07:40] <Badtz_Mark> why does everything on my screen looks huge
[07:40] <Badtz_Mark> i did set my resolution to 1280X1024
[07:40] <Badtz_Mark> but everything looks like its 800X600 on windows
[07:45] <TechLord> hi all
[07:45] <delltony_> oh no its TechLord everyone hide
[07:46] <TechLord> LOL
[07:46] <wpyle> fire up Control Center, go to Peripherals > Display, what does it say there?
[07:46] <Badtz_Mark> 1280X1024
[07:46] <Badtz_Mark> 60Hz
[07:47] <Badtz_Mark> but everything looks huge
[07:47] <Badtz_Mark> how do i take a screenshot?
[07:47] <wpyle> KSnapshot, in the Graphics folder in the KDE Menu
[07:48] <Xira> Badtz_Mark: its probably just the font sizes
[07:48] <Xira> adjust them in control pannel > appearance
[07:49] <Badtz_Mark> alot better!
[07:50] <Badtz_Mark> thanks
[07:50] <Badtz_Mark> this is the 1st time i'm using Linux
[07:50] <Badtz_Mark> i hope i dun bug u all too much for support
[07:51] <delltony_> so what you up to TechLord ? i'm just over here burning up with this springtime weather only good thing about it is women love to wear skimpy stuff during this time of year :)
[07:54] <wpyle> darn it, the kernel is giving me the silent treatment with this network card...complete immediate lock, no logs...just tried the newer 2.6.11-1 too, same thing. where could I find kernel-image-2.6.11-5? Its not in any of the usual places... its what Knoppix was using, which doesn't lock
[07:54] <Badtz_Mark> i'm trying to install flash for browser
[07:58] <TechLord> where are my X includes trying to compile wireless assistant  but get error stating can't find x includes
[08:00] <smouche> rats!  just downloaded new rc and I just realized I'm out of blank cd's!  at 1:00 am !  dammit!
[08:01] <wpyle> sudp apt-get install x-dev ?
[08:01] <wpyle> theres a new rc?
[08:01] <smouche> yep--
[08:02] <smouche> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hoary/rc/
[08:02] <wpyle> cool
[08:03] <Badtz_Mark> i'm trying to install flash for browser,so my browser can see flash,how do i install?
[08:05] <wpyle> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#flash-mozilla
[08:05] <wpyle> don't know if that works for konqueror or not
[08:07] <Badtz_Mark> i shud switch to FireFox?
[08:08] <Xira>  9:13p  (Xira) how do I get my kde pannel like that?
[08:08] <jesusfish> Badtz_Mark: Konqueror can use the mozilla plugins
[08:08] <Xira>  9:18p  (wpyle) right click the panel, click Configure Panel... in the context menu that pops up, and go to appearance tab. Try playing with the settings in there.
[08:08] <Xira>  9:20p       join: da_bon_bon (~rohandhru@203.212.221.132)
[08:08] <Xira>  9:20p  (Xira) i cant get the actual tasks buttons to be trans
[08:08] <Xira>  9:20p  (Xira) how do I do that
[08:08] <Xira>  9:20p  (Xira) and the kde button and such
[08:08] <Xira>  9:20p  (Xira) arent trans
[08:08] <Xira> anyone?
[08:08] <Xira> :o
[08:09] <wpyle> Konqueror is usually able to load mozilla plugins, so it should work
[08:11] <lunitik> wpyle: just link $javadir/bin/java to /usr/bin (or point konqi there) and you're set...
[08:11] <lunitik> Can't load mozilla plugin though...
[08:12] <wpyle> eh?
[08:13] <lunitik> wpyle: KHTML != Gecko ... Konqi has no idea about libjavaplugin.so  :/
[08:18] <Badtz_Mark> so confused
[08:18] <Badtz_Mark> i need to learn slowy on this linux thing
[08:18] <Badtz_Mark> if its great,win32 will be my secondary
[08:18] <lunitik> Riddell: ps, thanks for putting the google toolbar back... not everyone knows about gg:  ;)
[08:19] <lunitik> Riddell: if that was a side-effect of my kubuntu-default-settings deciding not to work... ignore that  :P
[08:23] <wpyle> Badtz_Mark, did you read the "General Notes", and the "How to add extra repositories?" sections?
[08:23] <Badtz_Mark> i'm a noob
[08:23] <Badtz_Mark> totally know nothing
[08:46] <randabis> Badtz_Mark: so that excludes you from reading?
[08:50] <closure> i wish there was a way to install kubuntu RC without having to burn a cd
[08:50] <randabis> closure: apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:51] <randabis> if you already have ubuntu installed
[08:51] <closure> i did that
[08:51] <closure> but i've still got gnome
[08:51] <closure> i can't get rid of the bastard
[08:51] <closure> everytime i do something screws up
[08:51] <Badtz_Mark> randabis: i will read
[08:52] <Badtz_Mark> randabis: thats what i am doing now :)
[08:52] <randabis> closure: did you try removing libgnome-2.0?
[08:52] <Badtz_Mark> randabis: how to i rip a cd into MP3?,i relize Kubuntu doesn't have MP3 encoder installed
[08:53] <closure> randabis, apt-get remove libgnome-2.0?
[08:53] <randabis> that should remove a lot of gnome stuff 
[08:53] <randabis> since most gnome things depend on that library
[08:54] <closure> is that the line i type though?
[08:54] <closure> or do the debfoster thing?
[08:55] <closure> not in my debfoster
[08:57] <Badtz_Mark> randabis: how to i rip a cd into MP3?,i relize Kubuntu doesn't have MP3 encoder installed
[08:58] <randabis> closure: apt-get
[08:58] <closure> didn't work
[08:58] <randabis> Badtz_Mark: never needed to do that so I'm not sure
[08:58] <randabis> closure: find it in kynaptic or synaptic or something then
[08:58] <randabis> and use it to remove it
[08:59] <Badtz_Mark> o.k
[08:59] <wpyle> Batdz_Mark, you can use KAudioCreater in KDE Menu > Multimedia
[08:59] <closure> wait what's the refresh apt-get command?
[08:59] <wpyle> installed by default....it only does .ogg files as far as I can tell though
[09:00] <wpyle> ogg files are smaller and higher quality than mp3, so its not too bad
[09:00] <randabis> not to mention ogg is a free standard
[09:01] <randabis> for mp3 encoding, I think you need libmad0
[09:01] <Badtz_Mark> o.O
[09:03] <wpyle> closure, I think you might be looking for "apt-get update"
[09:03] <Badtz_Mark> trying to rip now
[09:04] <Badtz_Mark> in console how to login as admin?
[09:04] <closure> no no wpyle the one that refreshes what's installed on my comp
[09:05] <Badtz_Mark> error-cannot place file-unable to make directories
[09:07] <randabis> Badtz_Mark: sudo -s will give you a prompt for your password, enter your USER password, and voila, you have root (admin)
[09:08] <Badtz_Mark> i figured out the directories error
[09:08] <Badtz_Mark> but now
[09:08] <Badtz_Mark> the selected encoder was not found
[09:08] <Badtz_Mark> i used ogg
[09:10] <closure> is there a codecs pack for video?
[09:10] <closure> avi/divx/xvid etc
[09:11] <wpyle> hmm, Badtz_Mark, do "apt-get install vorbis-tools", and try again
[09:11] <Badtz_Mark> okie
[09:12] <Badtz_Mark> :O amazing
[09:13] <Badtz_Mark> o.k
[09:13] <Badtz_Mark> did the command
[09:13] <Badtz_Mark> now?
[09:13] <wpyle> try ripping again
[09:13] <Badtz_Mark> o.k
[09:16] <dimmak> can someone point me in the right direction to get dvd's playing?
[09:17] <Badtz_Mark> oggenc -o '/home/badtzmarkLive In TexasLying From You' --artist 'Linkin Park' --album 'Live In Texas' --title 'Lying From You' --date '2003' --tracknum '02' --genre 'Rock' '/home/badtzmark/Strange_World_II_wallpapersmJsdjb.wav'
[09:17] <Badtz_Mark> Opening with wav module: WAV file reader
[09:17] <Badtz_Mark> ERROR: Cannot open output file "/home/badtzmarkLive In TexasLying From You": Permission denied
[09:18] <Badtz_Mark> now i get this error
[09:18] <dimmak> My dvd issue at the moment: "The source can't be read. Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g.: no disc in drive). (Error reading NAV packet.)"
[09:21] <Badtz_Mark> o.O
[09:27] <Badtz_Mark> any solution? wpyle 
[09:27] <wpyle> I'm lookin
[09:27] <Badtz_Mark> o.k
[09:27] <Badtz_Mark> thanks
[09:28] <Badtz_Mark> wait
[09:28] <Badtz_Mark> it works!
[09:28] <wpyle> cool, what was wrong?
[09:28] <Badtz_Mark> i dunno
[09:29] <Badtz_Mark> there was a file there
[09:29] <Badtz_Mark> so i click it to play
[09:29] <Badtz_Mark> and it does play!
[09:29] <wpyle> ah, its probably a wav file. the problem looks like when converting to ogg
[09:30] <Badtz_Mark> so its a problem or a mistake of my own?
[09:33] <closure> is anybody here on the kubuntu dev team/
[09:33] <closure> err ?
[09:35] <wpyle> closure, are you able to read files from the drive?
[09:35] <closure> what do you mean?
[09:35] <closure> yeah
[09:37] <Badtz_Mark> how to i go to home from console
[09:37] <Badtz_Mark> i mean home directory
[09:37] <closure> cd ~
[09:37] <brainZzZ> what i need to do is when the user logs in, if their home directory isn't created on the fileserver to create it automatically
[09:37] <Badtz_Mark> ls to list?
[09:38] <closure> yeah
[09:38] <closure> brainZzZ, you should create the home directory when the user is created
[09:38] <brainZzZ> note that i copied in their examples from the docs and while it changed the errors i was getting, it didn't do much else. the error i get is when i specify a username and password for the admin account authorized to join computers, it claims the user is not found. note that this happens after the user is authenticated so i'm really quite puzzled.
[09:40] <Badtz_Mark> Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape,
[09:40] <Badtz_Mark> or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla):     
[09:40] <Badtz_Mark> how?
[09:41] <Badtz_Mark> i'm trying to install flash for konqueror
[09:42] <closure> oh you're doing that
[09:42] <closure> i installed it to firefox
[09:43] <closure> i'm not sure of konq's path
[09:43] <Badtz_Mark> :S
[09:43] <closure> i'd assume it's /usr/lib/konqueror
[09:43] <Badtz_Mark> WARNING: /usr/lib/konqueror is not a directory.
[09:44] <closure> i said i'm not sure
[09:44] <Badtz_Mark> ermm any one else know?
[09:44] <wpyle> just use /usr/lib/mozilla...konqueror will know to look there
[09:44] <closure> well apparently
[09:45] <closure> /usr/share/applications/kde
[09:45] <Badtz_Mark> WARNING: /usr/lib/mozilla is not a directory.
[09:47] <Badtz_Mark> "/usr/share/applications/kde" didn't work either
[09:47] <wpyle> go to console, and "mkdir -r/usr/lib/mozilla"
[09:47] <wpyle> oops
[09:47] <wpyle> mkdir /usr/lib/mozilla
[09:48] <wpyle> then mkdir /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[09:49] <Badtz_Mark> done
[09:49] <Badtz_Mark> next?
[09:49] <wpyle> try installing again
[09:50] <wpyle> in /usr/lib/mozilla
[09:50] <Badtz_Mark> o.k
[09:50] <Badtz_Mark> wait
[09:51] <Badtz_Mark> same
[09:51] <Badtz_Mark> i think it would be alot faster if i use firefox
[09:51] <wpyle> yep
[09:51] <Badtz_Mark> can i apt-get install firefox?
[09:52] <wpyle> apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[09:52] <closure> Badtz_Mark, it's already installed
[09:52] <closure> it should be atleast
[09:52] <Badtz_Mark> :S i already keyed in the command
[09:53] <closure> *shrugs*
[09:53] <closure> it won't matter
[09:53] <closure> it'll upgrade if anything
[09:54] <Badtz_Mark> wow 34 minutes to install
[09:54] <Badtz_Mark> i'm gonna screw my ISP later
[09:54] <Badtz_Mark> with this console...i feel like a god
[10:00] <closure> put down the hackers dvd
[10:02] <Badtz_Mark> ...
[10:03] <wpyle> :D
[10:06] <dimmak> anybody using vlc on kubuntu?
[10:08] <dimmak> and how can i get kaffeine to do that wizard again to see if everything is configured properly?
[10:09] <lunitik> haha @ www.planetkde.org and planet.gnome.org
[10:11] <Badtz_Mark> hey i got no clock on my taskbar
[10:14] <Badtz_Mark> got it
[10:14] <dimmak> apparently "kaffeine -w" doesn't always work... worked in root just fine though
[10:14] <dimmak> blah... still can't play an effing dvd... speeds up then hit with the error
[10:15] <dimmak> anybody have luck playing dvds?
[10:15] <Badtz_Mark> i haven't tried yet
[10:15] <Badtz_Mark> wait
[10:15] <Badtz_Mark> let me pop in my swordfish
[10:15] <dimmak> don't get your hopes up
[10:16] <Badtz_Mark> my dvd rom doesn't want to eject the tray
[10:16] <Badtz_Mark> it ejects!
[10:16] <Badtz_Mark> in the dvd goes
[10:17] <Badtz_Mark> encrypted?
[10:18] <Badtz_Mark> it says my dvd is encrypted
[10:18] <dimmak> this might remedy it: http://developers.videolan.org/libdvdcss/
[10:18] <dimmak> doesn't for me yet
[10:20] <Badtz_Mark> opening it
[10:20] <Badtz_Mark> how do i install this?
[10:20] <Badtz_Mark> use the almight console?
[10:21] <dimmak> http://kaffeine.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=faq#
[10:21] <dimmak> nope
[10:21] <dimmak> compile from source
[10:21] <dimmak> ./configure ... make ... make install
[10:21] <dimmak> welcome to linux
[10:22] <Badtz_Mark> i only reach the doorbell of linux
[10:22] <Badtz_Mark> need a tour
[10:22] <wpyle> try apt-get install libdvdcss2
[10:22] <brainZzZ> one more ques... just apt-get install a newer version of iptables is that the one running in mem... or i have to reboot?
[10:23] <Badtz_Mark> http://kaffeine.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=faq# doesn't work
[10:23] <dimmak> even if you cut and paste into a browser?
[10:24] <dimmak> what is your sources list wpyle?
[10:24] <dimmak> cuz libdvdcss2 isn't part of the default sources for kubuntu
[10:24] <wpyle> aha, I forgot about that :D
[10:24] <dimmak> or part of a repository i mean...
[10:25] <Badtz_Mark> Package libdvdcss2 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:25] <Badtz_Mark> i tried apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[10:26] <Badtz_Mark> its done now
[10:26] <Badtz_Mark> what should i do
[10:26] <wpyle> try:
[10:27] <wpyle> echo deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:27] <wpyle> echo deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:27] <Badtz_Mark> where is my firefox installed?
[10:28] <wpyle> echo deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-merillat/ stable main >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:28] <dimmak> wpyle: are you able to play dvds just fine?
[10:28] <wpyle> echo deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-merillat/ unstable main >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:28] <Badtz_Mark> @_@
[10:29] <Badtz_Mark> i don't see firefox in my list
[10:29] <wpyle> no, I get that "source can't be read" error. I'm trying to get my network to work so I can try installing some extras to see if it'll help, like libdvdcss
[10:29] <Badtz_Mark> how do i add it
[10:29] <wpyle> its in KDE Menu > Internet
[10:29] <dimmak> is your network wired or wireless?
[10:29] <wpyle> its got an ugly blue globe icon
[10:30] <wpyle> wireless
[10:30] <Badtz_Mark> OMG
[10:30] <Badtz_Mark> why isn't it a fox?
[10:30] <wpyle> cause only official firefox releases can be distributed with the official logo
[10:31] <wpyle> however, there's an even better icon you can use at http://www.deviantart.com/view/5176277/
[10:32] <wpyle> I got a cursed Broadcom chip, that requires lots of work to get connected, and it dies quickly afterward
[10:32] <dimmak> i have one of those installed in my box too... been playing with ndiswrapper
[10:33] <dimmak> Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03)
[10:33] <Badtz_Mark> http://developers.videolan.org/libdvdcss/ what the deal with this
[10:33] <wpyle> once I get connected, I get about 2 minutes of internet before it dies
[10:33] <wpyle>  :(
[10:33] <dimmak> damn
[10:34] <wpyle> have you got yours to work?
[10:34] <Badtz_Mark> me? i dunno.i'm still at the linux doorbell
[10:34] <wpyle> here's where the source tarball is at: http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/1.2.8/
[10:36] <dimmak> not really... i get one working fine with ndiswrapper on my laptop though
[10:36] <dimmak> i can't get the essid to take on my desktop
[10:37] <dimmak> dhcpdiscover fails
[10:38] <wpyle> yeah, it doesn't seem to catch unless the essid and the key are both entered in, and the card finds the access point, and you run "iwgetid wlan0" a few times, and enter in 12-16 iwconfig commands repetitively, and the moon is eclipsing jupiter, only while 6 coke cans are on your desktop
[10:38] <Badtz_Mark> which one do i need to download
[10:39] <dimmak> i don't even mess with wep... i just don't broadcast the essid and use mac address filtering when i want to close my network... but it is totally open at the moment
[10:40] <Badtz_Mark> gtg
[10:40] <Badtz_Mark> back laterz
[10:40] <wpyle> did you add those sources to your /etc/apt/sources.list Badtz_Mark?
[10:40] <wpyle> oh, later
[10:40] <Badtz_Mark> it raining heavy here
[10:40] <Badtz_Mark> lightning might strike my adsl
[10:40] <Badtz_Mark> so until then
[10:41] <wpyle> nite
[10:41] <Badtz_Mark> FYI its 4Pm here
[10:41] <Badtz_Mark> :)
[10:44] <dimmak> brb
[10:45] <brainZzZ> going to ask my precious to go pick me a cake
[11:48] <verden01> Hi
[11:52] <verden01> Hi
[12:16] <badtzmark> anyone active here?
[12:20] <badtzmark> when i boot up i get this error http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/mark_vincent/KDEerror.jpg
[12:21] <Beineri> either enable composite to make it work or disable it because it's experimental ;-)
[12:22] <badtzmark> how do i enable it?
[12:22] <Beineri> badtzmark: read the second dialog box :-)
[12:28] <verden01> Hi
[12:29] <verden01> Hi badtzmark 
[12:29] <badtzmark> Hello
[12:29] <badtzmark> u noob too?
[12:30] <verden01> only for kubuntu 
[12:30] <verden01> have used debian distros b4
[12:31] <verden01> how can i help
[12:31] <badtzmark> when i boot up i get this error  http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/mark_vincent/KDEerror.jpg
[12:31] <badtzmark> advice please
[12:32] <verden01> i haven't got a clue what is wrong sorry
[12:33] <verden01> can you use any applications
[12:33] <badtzmark> yeah
[12:33] <badtzmark> any application?
[12:33] <verden01> can you use the internet?
[12:34] <badtzmark> yes i am
[12:34] <badtzmark> i'm using kubuntu now
[12:34] <verden01> what program do you use ot get your error message?
[12:34] <verden01> to
[12:36] <badtzmark> kopete i think
[12:36] <verden01> what do you mean when you boot up
[12:37] <badtzmark> when i start my box
[12:37] <badtzmark> after login in
[12:37] <badtzmark> this pops up
[12:38] <verden01> do you have to enter this url in your browser 
[12:38] <badtzmark> what url?
[12:38] <badtzmark> do i need ati driver?
[12:38] <Beineri> badtzmark: Right click window decoration, "Configure Window Behavior...", Transluency, uncheck "Use transluency/shadows"
[12:39] <badtzmark> okie
[12:39] <badtzmark> done
[12:39] <brainkilla> can anyone help me with  a bluetooth problem?
[12:40] <verden01> no sorry i don;t use bluetooth
[12:40] <badtzmark> how do i mount my NTFS drive
[12:40] <allee> brainkilla: tell us
[12:40] <brainkilla> ok
[12:40] <brainZzZ> tell us about those
[12:40] <brainkilla> I set up everything just fine...
[12:41] <brainkilla> but KDE bluetooth daemon works partially...
[12:41] <verden01> thats a good question you can usually find the answers by looking through the forums
[12:41] <brainkilla> from konsole all is nice and fine
[12:42] <brainkilla> but I cant get kio_slaves to work
[12:42] <brainkilla> nor KControl module
[12:42] <brainkilla> they do, however, work if I'm root...
[12:43] <brainkilla> any ideas?
[12:43] <badtzmark> how do i run chech.sh
[01:10] <badtzmark> anyone active here?
[01:10] <badtzmark> i wanna install ATI driver...anyone can guide me?
[01:14] <badtzmark> anyone :(
[01:16] <verden01> my ati card seems to work fine
[01:16] <verden01> i have a 9600xt
[01:21] <verden01> my ntfs partition isn't in m yetc/fstab anyone know how i can add it?
[01:21] <verden01> its /dev/sda1
[01:23] <verden01> badtzmark,  youcan always ask the same questions on the ubuntu channell because its the same distro iwth gnome
[01:24] <badtzmark> do u know how i can mount my NTFS drives?
[01:24] <badtzmark> they ain't in /dev/
[01:25] <verden01> no
[01:25] <verden01> i'm asking in the ubuntu forum
[01:34] <_yannux> hye everybody
[01:35] <brainZzZ> hey everybody! ltns!
[01:37] <verden01> hey
[01:38] <ztonzy> apokryphos, :)
[01:39] <apokryphos> hey
[01:46] <ztonzy> Blender cvs has a april joke :P
[02:57] <Frafra> hi all
[02:59] <Frafra> what are the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu?
[03:02] <closure> kde
[03:02] <closure> and gnome
[03:02] <closure> kde and gnome
[03:02] <Frafra> only this?
[03:08] <da_bon_bon> look - http://www.savetoby.com/ XD
[03:08] <StarScreem> closure: uhuh
[03:09] <StarScreem> sorry that was to Frafra 
[03:51] <buz> is there any way i can stop kde from starting new firefox instances upon clicking an url? the running firefox it will immediately display the page but it takes 20 or 30s for the newly launched firefox to exit (automatically)
[04:09] <lonewolff> hey there, i wonder if anyone can help
[04:09] <lonewolff> im trying to enable ip forwarding but its not working 
[04:10] <lonewolff> sudo echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward gives a permission denied error
[04:12] <JasperM> buz : http://www.kenkinder.com/blog/?postid=41 has some answers ;)
[04:13] <buz> interesting
[04:13] <buz> if something like that is needed, linux aint ready for the desktop ;-)
[04:15] <lonewolff> hmm does anyone know why i would get a permission denied error setting ip_forward when the file is chmodded for root to have rw privelages?
[04:16] <buz> yeah it works
[04:23] <buz> no, not really
[04:23] <superted_> After an update (running hoary) kubuntu's view is totally messed up, anyone else experienced this?
[04:23] <lonewolff> hmmm i managed to get it to change, and after a reboot it goes back to being 0 instead of 1 :(
[04:23] <buz> you mean the taskbar?
[05:04] <nydust> how is it to use ubuntu as an server?
[05:11] <ttf> #7392 seems to be a duplicate of #69774 on bugs.kde.org. This one has in the end been solved as a duplicate bug of #67527. Could somebody pls check if #7392 and #67527 are the same?
[05:12] <ttf> My html knowledge is not deep enough to confim that :(
[05:12] <ttf> nydust: similar to running debian as a server
[05:13] <nydust> ttf, cause i am using debian now... maybe its best to just leve it as it is? i am usin ubuntu on the client
[05:17] <ttf> nydust: well, if you're happy with debian..
[05:17] <nydust> ttf, i quite happy.. 
[05:18] <nydust> ttf, what do you use on servers?
[05:18] <ttf> so then, never touch a running system, right? :)
[05:19] <ttf> nydust: debian, psssst - we're on a ubuntu channel
[05:19] <ttf> nydust: :)
[05:19] <Rene_S> elitist, Linux is Linux
[05:20] <ttf> nydust: I personally think that ubuntu/kubuntu rocks more on the desktop than debian - haven't really checked it out on the server side
[05:20] <ttf> nydust: given the time I would try it though
[05:23] <trans_err> my computer just started randomly playing the intro to Biggie Small's Hypnotize Me
[05:24] <apokryphos> =)
[05:28] <nydust> hehe
[05:28] <nydust> how can i see if Toetem are usin my hardware to decode a dvd?
[05:28] <nydust> its lagging
[05:32] <Rene_S> anyone getting double entries in Konqueror ?
[05:33] <apokryphos> Rene_S: hm, there was a bug on that (I think it was reported, too). Lemme see if I can find it.
[05:33] <Rene_S> Its ok, I just wanna make sure its a real issue and not my eyes
[05:34] <apokryphos> heh; it's not ;-)
[05:34] <Rene_S> I had drops but in this morning, so I wasn't sure
[05:34] <Rene_S> put rather
[05:34] <Rene_S> It goes a way after a bit, so I am not all that concerned
[05:37] <apokryphos> Hm, it's almost definitely a packaging problem. 
[05:37] <apokryphos> the person who mentioned it on here must have not filed a bug report....
[05:37] <apokryphos> Rene_S: is this from a recent dist-upgrade?
[05:38] <Rene_S> Dunno, I was using plain Ubuntu and then added Kubuntu this morning, I am dling the ISO now and gonna install from that when its finished
[05:39] <apokryphos> There's no real need... it's exactly the same if you just apt for it. You never have to install another ISO with Ubuntu/Debian-based-systems ;-)
[05:39] <Rene_S> It makes me feel better :)
[05:40] <apokryphos> Seems like an unnecessary hassle, but up to you. :)
[05:40] <Rene_S> I am just wierd
[05:41] <Rene_S> :)
[05:41] <apokryphos> Nah; quite a few people do it. Some like fresh installs more
[05:43] <Rene_S> That would be me :)
[06:04] <emrys_> Hi there!
[06:06] <apokryphos> Hi :)
[06:06] <Riddell> emrys_: how did you install kubuntu?
[06:06] <emrys_> Some can help me with an Kubuntu problem??
[06:06] <emrys_> ok
[06:06] <emrys_> I Installed with Synaptic
[06:07] <emrys_> In my desktop pc it worked ok
[06:08] <emrys_> The problem is in my Laptop. An Acer Aspire 1502, an AMD64
[06:08] <Quinn_Storm> emrys_: could you be more specific about the problem?
[06:09] <emrys_> Yes
[06:09] <emrys_> There is no control panel, Konkeror does not work for watching folders... I can't acces any configuration window..
[06:10] <emrys_> If I click in a folder, initially it opened with filelight!
[06:10] <Quinn_Storm> emrys_: the first thing I can think of is to try apt-get update then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop then apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:10] <emrys_> I unistalled filelight and then gives me this error_ KDEInit could not launch 'filelight'.: Could not find 'filelight' executable.
[06:11] <Quinn_Storm> emrys_: try the three commands I just listed in that order
[06:11] <Quinn_Storm> emrys_: obviously with sudo
[06:11] <emrys_> ok
[06:11] <apokryphos> Hm, yeah; the problem seems wider, as you said.
[06:11] <emrys_> i'll try
[06:12] <Quinn_Storm> OxDECAFBAD: good nick ^-^
[06:12] <OxDECAFBAD> :)
[06:12] <apokryphos> If it's not finding the executable then (using my great history of knowledge here), I'd guess that there's something wrong with your PATH, or with your /usr/bin
[06:12] <emrys_> I read somewher that if u delete the .kde folder and restart something good could happen, so I did
[06:13] <Quinn_Storm> apokryphos: emrys_'s install is all messed up, he needs to make sure the packages are in properly.  if what I told him doesn't work he'll probably have to reinstall
[06:13] <emrys_> Some things changed but problems still the same
[06:13] <apokryphos> Quinn_Storm: agreed
[06:13] <apokryphos> emrys_: that would only change your user's settings
[06:13] <emrys_> Yep
[06:13] <emrys_> Now I know it
[06:13] <apokryphos> emrys_: it's often done to verify whether the problem is a particular user's kde settings etc. but it's not like that in this case.
[06:13] <emrys_> But a System Icon appears
[06:14] <Quinn_Storm> emrys_: did you do the three commands I suggested? sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[06:14] <emrys_> And when I click on it, it is empty
[06:14] <Quinn_Storm> apokryphos: sometimes I wish I could just ssh into their machines and fix it for them heh
[06:14] <apokryphos> Yeah :P
[06:14] <emrys_> i'm on it
[06:15] <Quinn_Storm> emrys_: ok
[06:15] <emrys_> :)
[06:15] <Quinn_Storm> emrys_: that should fix your packages, but if something else went wrong (package not installed right, etc.) it may not fix it
[06:15] <emrys_> finished
[06:15] <Quinn_Storm> emrys_: ok, restart kde and see what happens
[06:15] <emrys_> I have to reboot or something??
[06:15] <emrys_> ok
[06:15] <emrys_> see u soon
[06:16] <apokryphos> Kind of wondering how many changes it would have applied there, in that quick a time...
[06:16] <apokryphos> He didn't mention if his system was working fine before kubuntu installation, did he?
[06:17] <Quinn_Storm> heh nope. yeah, or if he even ran all the commands right.
[06:17] <apokryphos> Someone told me to rm -rf /usr/bin. Is that right? To install kubuntu...
[06:17] <apokryphos> :P
[06:17] <Quinn_Storm> rofl
[06:18] <Quinn_Storm> I am lucky, I started with slack many years ago so I had to actually learn what linux was about rather than starting with gui and working down, I started with cli and worked up
[06:19] <apokryphos> Wish it had been more like that with me. Started with Mandrake, but I guess it did well since it didn't scare me back to Windoze, which is definitely a plus. ;-)
[06:19] <Quinn_Storm> thats true, though given I was using Win 95 at the time it would be unlikely for something to scare me back to that pos
[06:19] <apokryphos> The person who taught me my first few things stressed that CLI makes quite a few things more efficient, which was definitely good too.
[06:19] <buz> even mandrake 10.1 threw me back to win
[06:19] <apokryphos> haha
[06:19] <apokryphos> buz: Eek. Ubu bring you back?
[06:19] <buz> only kubuntu seems to have done the job
[06:19] <Quinn_Storm> of course I started with dos/win31 many years ago so I already knew what a cli was
[06:20] <apokryphos> buz: cool :)
[06:20] <buz> of course, i've been using freebsd on servers since 2000
[06:20] <apokryphos> Ah, convenient. I started with a Mac (or, at lesat, our dad did). It had games on it! 
[06:20] <Quinn_Storm> heh, I never liked macs in the old days b/c they didn't have a cli
[06:20] <buz> dos 6/win3.1 
[06:20] <Quinn_Storm> of course OS X is SHINY!
[06:21] <buz> aqua is nifty but it gets in my way too often
[06:21] <apokryphos> hehe. They look real nice too yeah.
[06:21] <buz> and i'm suppposed to actually BUY shareware for every piece of thing that misses
[06:21] <Quinn_Storm> well yeah but the cli on a mac is great (and has been missing for years)
[06:21] <buz> it's actually somewhat weird
[06:21] <Quinn_Storm> I don't like aqua that much either
[06:21] <buz> pretty weird even
[06:21] <apokryphos> It was Mikrosoft after that till Windoze would crash muck up *all* the time. 
[06:21] <Quinn_Storm> and the dock is actually a usability nightmare
[06:21] <buz> considering that there's a freebsd userland under the hood, mac cli is hopelessly broken
[06:22] <apokryphos> Got a virus 20 minutes after a fresh install, without even opening IE. DIdn't know that was possible.
[06:22] <Quinn_Storm> heh, freebsd userland w/ mach kernel, that's bizarre
[06:22] <buz> pretty much so
[06:22] <buz> and osx is sooooo sloooow
[06:22] <Quinn_Storm> apokryphos: yep, all too possible...these days a fresh winxp sp0 install gets infected in a few MINUTES
[06:22] <buz> even on a friggin g5, it feels sluggish
[06:22] <Quinn_Storm> well I'll stick with my kubuntu for now
[06:22] <buz> me too
[06:22] <buz> saved me the money for a mac
[06:22] <apokryphos> I guess they like being able to stroll down the broadband these days
[06:23] <apokryphos> by the looks of things I'll likely stay with Kubuntu for long
[06:23] <buz> and since i decided to kick the CS part of my curriculum in favor of full blown economy, i don't even need to buy a new notebook
[06:23] <buz> saves money ;-)
[06:23] <Quinn_Storm> I want a better visual theme than plastik tho, (and I really don't like aqua that much, let alone all the ugly almost-aqua styles)
[06:23] <apokryphos> I intent on trying Slack and Mepis on others distros though, in the meantime.
[06:23] <Quinn_Storm> of course plastik is 100 times better than keramik
[06:23] <buz> plastik is quite slick
[06:23] <apokryphos> Without a doubt
[06:23] <Mithsir> Hi! How do I make my firefox to show java applets?
[06:23] <buz> .net is quite nice as ell
[06:23] <buz> it's very minimalistic unlike aqua
[06:24] <apokryphos> Mithsir: this is really an #ubuntu question, but check out ubuntuguide.org
[06:24] <buz> win32 hehe
[06:25] <Quinn_Storm> there's a great theme for amaroK that I wish everything could look like called "mycolors" very minimalistic and good use of color
[06:25] <apokryphos> That on kde-look?
[06:25] <buz> http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=20777
[06:25] <buz> still too much graphics
[06:25] <buz> i cant stand background images
[06:26] <apokryphos> Nice, but not really my style. ;-)
[06:26] <apokryphos> I generally don't, but I like the one in Konqueror
[06:26] <buz> nooow where did that .net theme for kde go
[06:26] <Mithsir> ok, thx
[06:26] <Quinn_Storm> its great for amaroK, I can ignore the bg images & wouldn't expect them on a widget style
[06:26] <Quinn_Storm> remember, the aqua bits aren't part of the css style
[06:26] <Quinn_Storm> stupid baghira
[06:26] <emrys_> Hi there again!
[06:26] <Quinn_Storm> it needs to die
[06:26] <apokryphos> Hey
[06:26] <Quinn_Storm> emrys_: any luck?
[06:27] <emrys_> Still the same
[06:27] <emrys_> no changes
[06:27] <emrys_> :(
[06:27] <apokryphos> emrys_: did Ubuntu work fine before you installed kubuntu-desktop (originally)?
[06:27] <Oadae> I've done a brand new install of Kubuntu preview 5.0.4 on a new laptop, and done an update through Kynaptic.
[06:27] <Riddell> emrys_: tried a dist-upgrade?
[06:27] <emrys_> YEs
[06:27] <Oadae> Now all the fonts are larger than normal, and there's no Arial or Helvetica, and sans-serif looks terrible.
[06:27] <emrys_> Ubuntu without problems
[06:27] <emrys_> yes
[06:28] <emrys_> all tree commands
[06:28] <apokryphos> I wonder if it's worth debfostering kubuntu-desktop or going for a fresh install...
[06:28] <Oadae> What can I do to fix it?  The initial install before the update looked fine.
[06:29] <apokryphos> Oadae: you can't change these from kcontrol? 
[06:29] <emrys_> But howcome can I be sure that a fresh install will work?
[06:29] <Oadae> I can, but the defaults are for fonts that don't exist.
[06:29] <emrys_> Maybe the x86_64 factor have some role on it??
[06:30] <apokryphos> hm
[06:30] <emrys_> I mean, in my Desktop pc, it works ok
[06:30] <apokryphos> Oadae: tell Riddell here :). Might be worth filing a bug report if that's the case.
[06:30] <apokryphos> emrys_: you got the different cd for the AMD, right?
[06:30] <emrys_> jejeje
[06:30] <emrys_> Sure man
[06:31] <emrys_> The AMD64 CD
[06:31] <emrys_> Yes
[06:31] <lonewolff> i386 cd should work fine on amd_64 however iirc
[06:31] <apokryphos> Not quite sure what you'll want to do, you can (i) completely remove all kubuntu stuff, see how things are going, and try a reinstall
[06:31] <emrys_> I did it
[06:32] <apokryphos> Or, you can do a fresh install (maybe download the Kubuntu ISO, if you've got a CD to spare)
[06:32] <apokryphos> emrys_: you did what?
[06:32] <emrys_> I unistalled All kubuntu and KDE related stuff
[06:32] <Riddell> Oadae: do you have a file /etc/kderc ?
[06:32] <apokryphos> emrys_: by doing what?
[06:32] <emrys_> And reisntalled
[06:32] <emrys_> Well, handcrafted way
[06:32] <emrys_> With synaptic, uninstalling all the packages related
[06:32] <apokryphos> I doubt you will have removed all kubuntu stuff, if you didn't use debfoster
[06:33] <emrys_> debfoster?
[06:33] <apokryphos> A small program that weeds out no-longer-wanted debian packages
[06:33] <emrys_> ah ok
[06:34] <apokryphos> do you wanna do that or go for a fresh install, with Kubuntu ISO? Up to you...
[06:34] <Oadae> apokryphos, okay.
[06:34] <Oadae> Riddell, checking now.
[06:34] <emrys_> A debfoster can sort it out?
[06:34] <apokryphos> emrys_: It's one of your options; things to try...
[06:35] <emrys_> How long it can take a debfoster
[06:35] <Oadae> Riddell, no.
[06:35] <emrys_> ??
[06:35] <apokryphos> emrys_: Not too long. Will just remove all the packs
[06:35] <emrys_> so lets do it
[06:35] <apokryphos> emrys_: ok. Go for debfoster kubuntu-desktop ubuntu-desktop
[06:35] <emrys_> It wil remove wnted packages too??
[06:35] <Riddell> Oadae: you'll need to  apt-get remove --purge kubuntu-default-settings  then install it again
[06:35] <apokryphos> emrys_: All kubuntu stuff it'll take off.
[06:36] <emrys_> but ubuntu stuff too???
[06:36] <apokryphos> No
[06:36] <apokryphos> waaaaait
[06:36] <emrys_> :)
[06:36] <apokryphos> hehe. Wrong way round :P
[06:36] <ttf> Riddell: 17:11 < ttf> #7392 seems to be a duplicate of #69774 on bugs.kde.org [...]  could you check that out pls? you were involved in #67527 - so it might be easy for you to answer :)
[06:37] <apokryphos> debfoster ubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop
[06:37] <emrys_> ok
[06:37] <emrys_> from a terminal inside Kubuntu
[06:37] <emrys_> ?
[06:37] <Oadae> Riddell, I'm not too familiar w/apt, yet.  What would be the install command?
[06:37] <apokryphos> emrys_: Yup, but hold on one sec
[06:37] <emrys_> Better failsafe terminal?
[06:37] <emrys_> ok
[06:38] <apokryphos> emrys_: yeah, that's better actually.
[06:38] <emrys_> ok
[06:38] <emrys_> From a terminal now
[06:38] <emrys_> inside KDE
[06:38] <apokryphos> failsafe
[06:38] <emrys_> oops
[06:38] <emrys_> sure
[06:39] <apokryphos> One sec though; not sure if we should go for ubuntu-base or ubuntu-desktop. =)
[06:39] <emrys_> and then?
[06:39] <emrys_> But, If i use debfoster with ubuntu... it will erase it?
[06:39] <apokryphos> Nope. See debfoster --help
[06:40] <apokryphos> Riddell: Do you think it would be better to select ubuntu-desktop/base as the one to "keep"?
[06:41] <apokryphos> Riddell: that is, with debfoster command.
[06:41] <Oadae> Riddell, apokryphos, thanks for the help.  Off to see if I've borked my system.  :^)
[06:41] <emrys_> In the meantime... thanks for the help...
[06:42] <apokryphos> emrys_: No problem. Better go for ubuntu-base
[06:42] <emrys_> ok
[06:42] <emrys_> so debfoster ubuntu-base kubuntu-desktop?
[06:43] <randabis> bah
[06:43] <apokryphos> Yes, that's it.
[06:43] <apokryphos> I've gotta go now, but I'll likely be back later
[06:43] <emrys_> Ok
[06:43] <randabis> konqueror is acting up again
[06:43] <emrys_> See u latter then
[06:43] <emrys_> and thanks a lot man
[06:43] <apokryphos> emrys_: once you've done the debfoster, apt-get for kubuntu-desktop again
[06:43] <emrys_> ok
[06:43] <Riddell> apokryphos: why would you want to keep ubuntu-desktop? :)
[06:43] <apokryphos> if that fails, there's not much else than a fresh install :)
[06:43] <randabis> top reports it isn't using much cpu
[06:43] <emrys_> ok
[06:43] <emrys_> i'll try
[06:44] <apokryphos> Riddell: heh
[06:44] <randabis> yeah, konqueror is only using %1 or lower CPU
[06:44] <emrys_> seu
[06:44] <randabis> yet it is performing BADLY
[06:44] <randabis> it is really unresponsive
[06:46] <Quinn_Storm> randabis: what about memory? do you have enough free?
[06:48] <randabis> yeah I have plenty free...the only program that is acting slow is konqueror...if I close it, and restart it, it will work fine again for a while
[06:49] <randabis> but I can't do that right now
[06:49] <randabis> I'm in the middle of a large download
[06:53] <PD> hi ppl
[06:55] <randabis> hi
[06:58] <PD> randabis: is it that kubuntu is so excellent that no body has any problems
[06:59] <randabis> heh I guess you could look at it that way
[07:01] <PD> :)
[07:10] <randabis> the pope is probably gonna die in the next couple of days if not today
[07:15] <delltony> yep the pope can't cope 
[07:18] <randabis> wahaha
[07:18] <yannux_> arf nee help for quanta package, is their someone here to help ?
[07:19] <randabis> "arf nee"? now I've heard it all
[07:19] <yannux_> need*
[07:19] <yannux_> sorry :)
[07:19] <yannux_> arf, I need
[07:19] <yannux_> :)
[07:20] <yannux_> on bugzilla someone writed me that new package for quanta have been released
[07:20] <yannux_> but I don't have it after an apt-get update
[07:20] <yannux_> :s
[07:20] <randabis> never used quanta...in fact, I have no idea what it is
[07:20] <yannux_> where can I find it ?
[07:20] <randabis> yannux_: do you have the universe repository enabled?
[07:21] <yannux_> yes
[07:24] <randabis> yannux_: how about multiverse?
[07:25] <yannux_> randabis: euh ?
[07:25] <yannux_> randabis: don't understand your question
[07:25] <randabis> multiverse is another repository
[07:27] <yannux_> I've got universe but not multiverse
[07:34] <randabis> yannux_: add multiverse after universe in that line of sources.list
[07:34] <randabis> then apt-get update
[07:36] <yannux_> oki :)
[07:37] <yannux_> randabis: no quanta ubuntu2 :s
[07:37] <Lathiat> Hi GUys -- the volume level hover thing is stuck on my screen, appears to be because something is triggering a constant volume down event (if i drag the master volume up, it slow goes back down) -- any idea whats up with that ?
[07:38] <yannux_> randabis: I need this on http://kambing.vlsm.org/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[07:38] <yannux_> this quanta package :s
[07:41] <randabis> yannux_: you've run apt-get update right? quanta is showing up for me
[07:42] <randabis> http://www.google.com/googlegulp/
[07:42] <yannux_> randabis: yes apt-get update
[07:42] <yannux_> :s
[07:42] <buz> this ones better: ""Opera Software's R-and-D department today announced the discovery of a new technology dubbed 'Opera SoundWave' - a platform-independent speech solution for short- and medium-range interpersonal communication. Based on open standards, Opera's patent-pending P2P speech technology uses analogue signals carried through open air, enabling users to communicate in real- time without the use of computers or mobile phones."
[07:43] <Lathiat> haha
[07:43] <buz> i wonder if they get a patent on it LOL
[07:43] <Lathiat> Anyone know why somethings triggering my volume to go down constantly
[07:43] <Lathiat> causing the volume down popup screen to stay on screen all the time
[07:43] <buz> you're using patent pending technology without licence
[07:44] <randabis> yannux_: post your /etc/apt/sources.list in #flood or at pastebin.com
[07:44] <yannux_> randabis: oki on fllo
[07:45] <yannux_> randabis: on flood
[07:45] <randabis> k
[07:47] <randabis> yannux_: all of those extra repositories you have might be causing the problem
[07:48] <yannux_> randabis: arf :s
[07:48] <randabis> that's all I can think of
[07:48] <yannux_> oki
[07:49] <yannux_> I'm going to make it cleaner: )
[07:50] <TechLord_Work> hello all 
[07:50] <randabis> hi
[07:50] <TechLord_Work> hows everyone doing today
[07:52] <yannux_> marf randabis it's same :s
[08:02] <yannux_> randabis: I've clean my package list, but same :s
[08:07] <neighborlee> hi..anyone know are their issues with kontact ?..i've got it installed here but getting this on trying to run it::: cannot load part for Mail. : library files for libkmailpart.la not found in paths ??
[08:08] <yannux_> kmail is installed ,
[08:08] <yannux_> ?
[08:10] <yannux_> randabis: fr mirro seems no update
[08:10] <yannux_> mirror*
[08:11] <neighborlee> how odd..i guess synaptic didn't grab kmail when it installed kontact...hmm maintainer oops LOL
[08:28] <litb> From your website FAQ: "You can get exactly the same effect by installing Ubuntu and adding the KDE packages from the Ubuntu archives". Will I find GNOME AND KDE are installed?
[08:28] <omni_lonnie> yes, you will have both...
[08:29] <treke> well you wont have both kde and gnome right after the cd install
[08:29] <hunger> Do I get both when installing from a kubuntu cd?
[08:29] <treke> you'll have either kde or gnome depending on which cd you used
[08:29] <hunger> treke: OK, thanks for the info:-)
[08:32] <litb> thanks, but the answer in the FAQ is a bit confusing
[08:33] <hunger> litb: Well, I guell the KDE env is identical to the one from the CD, but you got gnome as well.
[08:33] <treke> ubuntu comes with gnome
[08:33] <treke> kubuntu comes with kde
[08:34] <treke> if you want to you can install ubuntu and add the exact same kde environement
[08:34] <treke> or install kubuntu and install the same gnome environment as ubuntu
[08:34] <hunger> treke: How about updating the faq with that?
[08:35] <buz> how many kernel releases will there be today? must at least be the second i'm dling right now
[08:35] <buz> same for apache2
[08:35] <treke> Since i don't have any access to the faq, I can't update anything.
[08:35] <hunger> treke: Your explaination is way better than what is in the faq.
[08:35] <treke> That may be, but I *can't* update the faq
[08:36] <hunger> treke: Too bad.
[08:41] <TechLord_Work> just fyi according to drudgereport.com the pope has died
[08:41] <treke> big surprise
[08:42] <ataxic> not really important is it?
[08:43] <gdh> I had to turn off BBC POPEWATCH 24..
[08:43] <TechLord_Work> not to me just thought someone on here would like to know
[08:43] <gdh> mind you the good thing about it has been there have only been 2 sports reports all day
[08:43] <gdh> shows how /really/ important sport is =)
[08:43] <ataxic> same stuff
[08:43] <ataxic> also not really important
[08:43] <ataxic> :)
[08:44] <gdh> It was funny listening to pundits tying themselves in knots trying to avoid saying death, dead or dying :)
[08:44] <nydust> how do i enable he root account?
[08:45] <TechLord_Work> sudo passwd root
[08:45] <ataxic> nydust: i created a user root in the installation process
[08:45] <TechLord_Work> ataxic you must have went thru expert setup?
[08:45] <ataxic> TechLord_Work: is that the way?
[08:46] <TechLord_Work> root is there we just don't know the password
[08:46] <gdh> ataxic: you get a rootshell with 'sudo -s'
[08:46] <ataxic> TechLord_Work: the setup i get when it boots from cdrom
[08:46] <Quinn_Storm> heh I always use expert setup
[08:46] <gdh> ataxic: and then type in your own password
[08:46] <TechLord_Work> so by doing the sudo passwd root you can set the password 
[08:46] <ataxic> i didn't know there wasn't another setup..
[08:46] <TechLord_Work> LOL
[08:46] <ataxic> just the textbased install
[08:46] <gdh> It's best to wean yourself off the dependency of using root...
[08:46] <nydust> i think webmin dont like that root is disabled
[08:46] <nydust> do any one here use webmin?
[08:47] <gdh> no, webmin is a crock of Perl shit :)
[08:47] <TechLord_Work> you guys want a good laugh read this http://www.scmagazine.com/news/index.cfm?fuseaction=newsDetails&newsUID=d5ee7707-4e08-49f9-8bdf-299e79743c18&newsType=Latest%20News
[08:47] <TechLord_Work> LOL
[08:47] <nydust> hehe
[08:47] <ataxic> seriously, is there a simple setup then?
[08:47] <gdh> ataxic: Simple is default, just press Enter a few times to install =)
[08:47] <TechLord_Work> yea the default is the simple setup doesn't ask you a lot of questions and you don't set a root password
[08:47] <ataxic> i had to set my partitions and stuff
[08:48] <TechLord_Work> you still can with the simple setup 
[08:48] <ataxic> it wasn't difficult, quite self explaining all
[08:48] <TechLord_Work> yea it was i've went thru both and found them both usefull
[08:50] <gdh> I don't think Ubuntu would get a very good reception if it just reformatted any installed hard disk without asking first :))
[08:50] <Quinn_Storm> lol
[08:50] <gdh> 'It's for the best' :)
[08:51] <TechLord_Work> well if the harddrive had windows on it, it would be the best thing that happened to it
[08:51] <TechLord_Work> LOL
[08:51] <ataxic> hehe
[08:52] <gdh> TechLord_Work: Hopefully all the lameass magazine journalists doing the reviewing wouldn't be able to tell everyone how it reformatted Windows :)
[08:54] <Pointwood> Error Konquoror: Could not make folder /home/pointwood/.local/share/Trash.
[08:54] <Pointwood> anyone got a fix for that?
[09:16] <zenfoo> hello
[09:16] <TechLord_Work> hi
[09:16] <zenfoo> I ave a problem whith kdm: when I launch kde whith kdm, the non KDE applications are not translated in my default language (french). When i launch kde with gdm, it work fine.
[09:17] <zenfoo> it's that a bug? or perhaps i need to configure something?
[09:20] <randabis> hmm
[09:26] <Pepina> guys, is gcc the compiler in the default installtion of kubuntu  ? 
[09:27] <lonewolff> nope
[09:27] <treke> nope
[09:27] <Pepina> thanks 
[09:27] <lonewolff> easy enough to install tho
[09:27] <Pepina> just setup sources.list and apt-get it (??)
[09:27] <randabis> Pepina: apt-get install build-essential
[09:27] <randabis> build-essential is even on the CD
[09:28] <Pepina> ok thanks :)
[09:28] <randabis> it just doesn't install it by default
[09:28] <Pepina> :)
[09:28] <randabis> Pepina: sources.list should be setup automatically
[09:28] <randabis> as long as a network connection is detected and active
[09:29] <randabis> otherwise it defaults to use the cdrom as the apt source
[09:29] <Pepina> aha, I get it 
[10:04] <lonewolff> does anyone know why when i set /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward to 1 and reboot it automatically changes back to 0 ??
[10:04] <gdh> yes
[10:04] <gdh> edit /etc/network/options
[10:04] <gdh> .. /etc/init.d/networking is responsible for that...
[10:05] <kay> hi there
[10:05] <lonewolff> ah ok, that is strange
[10:05] <gdh> lonewolff: not really -that's the way Debian does it :)
[10:05] <lonewolff> debian doesent change it back if you edit the ip_forward file manually tho
[10:06] <lonewolff> i run sarge on all of my machine and have enabled ip_forward in the same way lol
[10:06] <gdh> you already have ip_forward=yes in that machine and it still goes back to 0 on reboot?
[10:06] <lonewolff> hence why i was confused when this started changin on its own lol
[10:06] <lonewolff> nope nope, im changing that now, hopefully that will fix things
[10:11] <lonewolff> ah well that seems to be it sorted
[10:11] <gdh> :)
[10:12] <bobesponja> if I make my /dev/hda5 bootable (with cfdisk) will that wipe out all the data on it?
[10:13] <gdh> i.e. set the 'boot' flag in the partition table?
[10:14] <gdh> if so, then no it won't affect the data / partition at all.
[10:14] <gdh> I think the 'boot' flag is really only used by MS-DOS tho'
[10:23] <moominski> witch program is best for buning an iso
[10:23] <moominski> burning
[10:24] <gdh> cdrecord for CD-R 'growiso' for DVD-R
[10:24] <gdh> growisofs I think is the proper name...
[10:25] <Blissex> moominski: of you are asking for a n00b friendly one, use K3.
[10:25] <Blissex> moominski: of you are asking for a n00b friendly one, use K3B.
[10:26] <kay> moominski: Definitely k3b
[10:36] <PD> hi there
[10:36] <PD> by kubntu wont connect to the internet
[10:37] <PD> but mozilla does and every thing else does
[10:37] <lonewolff> PD: what do you mean?
[10:40] <MindZEye> Man alive, it truly is impossible to read the news on April Fools Day.
[10:41] <gdh> Yes, full of journalists pretending to be funny.
[10:41] <gdh> h0 h0, my sides split.
[10:41] <gdh> .... and relax.
[10:42] <PD> lonewolff: it says can find host
[10:43] <PD> An error occurred while loading http://www.google.co.in/:
[10:43] <PD> Could not connect to host http://www.google.co.in/.
[10:43] <PD> but my mozilla is working
[10:43] <lonewolff> RD: what says it cant connect?
[10:43] <PD> strange it is i know
[10:44] <PD> when I type www.google.co.in in the address bar of konq
[10:44] <lonewolff> ok so konqueror can go online
[10:45] <lonewolff> you didnt say that earlier, now the mozilla that can go online is that on the same machine?
[11:02] <moominski> any1 no how i can see an error log of bootup
[11:06] <uniq> moominski: use bootlogd
[11:06] <uniq> moominski: edit /etc/defaults/bootlogd
[11:06] <uniq> and set BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes
[11:07] <uniq> reboot.. and you'll find /var/log/boot.log (if i remember correctly).. 
[11:07] <uniq> yes.. /var/log/boot
[11:12] <_yannux> yeahhh :)
[11:15] <moominski> there is nothin in that file m8
[11:17] <uniq> moominski: no.. after enabling bootlogd in /etc/default/bootlogd.. you'll have to boot once :)
[11:17] <uniq> the log is created when you boot.. from the first reboot after enabling on.. 
[11:17] <moominski> yeah but there is nothin to edit in the file
[11:19] <moominski> ohh hold on its is enabled already, just reeboot now?
[11:19] <uniq> is /var/log/boot empty? 
[11:19] <uniq> and you enabled /etc/default/bootlogd manually now? 
[11:20] <uniq> try one last thing.. just to be sure..
[11:20] <moominski> yes it is emty
[11:20] <uniq> update-rc.d bootlogd defaults
[11:20] <uniq> it should tell you that startuplinks for /etc/init.d/bootlogd already exists.. 
[11:21] <moominski> yes
[11:21] <uniq> ok.. then you can give it a try.. and reboot.
[11:22] <moominski> and check this wen i reboot  /var/log/boot
[11:22] <uniq> yes.
[11:23] <moominski> ok
[11:34] <moominski> hey wot was that directory called for the botlog
[11:35] <moominski> bootlog
[11:35] <uniq> the log? 
[11:35] <moominski> yeah
[11:35] <uniq>  /var/log/boot
[11:35] <moominski> can i access that threw terminal
[11:35] <moominski> if so how?
[11:35] <uniq> sudo cat /var/log/boot
[11:36] <moominski> thanks
[11:36] <uniq> if it exists.. 
[11:36] <moominski> i get this now, cat: /var/log/boot: No such file or directory
[11:36] <uniq> ok.. then bootlog didnt work out all that good.. 
[11:37] <uniq> hmm.
[11:37] <moominski> its good
[11:37] <moominski> hmmm
[11:37] <moominski> lol
[11:38] <uniq> hmm.. /var/log/boot.0 maybe? 
[11:38] <moominski> i get some errors when booting thats all i i just wanna see wot they are so i can fix them
[11:38] <moominski> ok
[11:39] <moominski> cat: /var/log/boot.0: No such file or directory
[11:39] <uniq> k..
[11:40] <moominski> hold lets start fresh if it aint workin mabe i missed something
[11:45] <uniq> moominski: do: sudo ln -s /etc/init.d/bootlogd /etc/rc2.d/S02bootlogd
[11:46] <TechLord_Work> what's the best IM program for kde
[11:46] <moominski> uniq: also if i run a program from consol how do i return to command
[11:46] <uniq> techlord_work: kopete
[11:47] <uniq> moominski: alt+f1 console? 
[11:47] <TechLord_Work> and for irc?
[11:47] <uniq> I like kvirc.. but i haven't tried the new konversation yet.
[11:47] <uniq> you can check out kvirc and konversation.
[11:48] <TechLord_Work> i tried kvirc but it kept dying on me
[11:48] <uniq> konversation looks promising.. 
[11:49] <gdh> konv is nice :)
[11:49] <gdh> a big step up from kSIRC
[11:49] <gdh> a decent XChat replacement
[11:49] <gdh> I wish I was able to remove the server tabs, but it's a minot annoyance.
[11:49] <gdh> minor
[11:50] <moominski> terminal i mean
[11:50] <uniq> I tend to fall back to the good old irssi anyway.. so i haven't botherd trying all the new ones.. yet.
[11:50] <uniq> all the.. konversation.. heh.