/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2005/04/12/#ubuntu-doc.txt

mdkeHM Wordpress Banned by Google for Spamming12:28
mdkeHM Wordpress, an incredibly popular Open Source Blogging system was found to be spamming google by inserting hidden links to junk content on high paying Adsense keywords such as mesothelioma and debt consolidation.12:28
=== Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S01060011090228cc.du.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc
=== Liz [~me@fixed-203-87-27-63.nsw.chariot.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc
=== jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc
jsgotangcohello04:54
Lizhiay04:54
Lizslight problem here..no display..working with someone in #ubuntu04:55
Lizsorry04:55
jsgotangcohi Liz04:55
jsgotangcook04:55
jsgotangcohmmm typo on release notes05:11
jsgotangcoMattias should be Matthias if im not mistaken05:11
=== Liz [~Liz@fixed-203-87-27-63.nsw.chariot.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc
Lizyay..im me again05:30
jsgotangcohehe05:31
=== Flonne [~rhx@S0106000f663654db.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc
jsgotangcoahh the Hoary repos have been quiet lately05:38
jsgotangcohuh?05:50
Lizrunning off to a lug meeting05:50
Lizheh05:50
Lizsee ya later05:50
jsgotangcoheh05:50
jsgotangcosee ya05:50
=== jeffsch [~jeffsch@fatwire-204-18.uniserve.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc
jsgotangcohi jeffsch06:23
jeffschhello06:23
jeffschwhat's up?06:23
jsgotangcoim looking at my po file for releasenotes06:23
jsgotangcoi noticed that Matthias' name is Mattias in the credits06:23
jeffschi don't know much about po files.06:24
jeffschis it only in the po file?06:24
jsgotangcodoes releasenotes have an xml file?06:25
jeffschyes. it should be in the same folder as the po file06:26
jsgotangcolet me check my working dir06:26
jsgotangcooh yes its a typo on Matthias' name but i will check for further typo errors later06:27
jeffschmy guess is that if you change it in the xml file, the change will eventually propagate to the po file06:28
jsgotangcoif it was committed right06:29
jsgotangcogreets froud08:44
froudAfrican Greetings08:44
jsgotangcofroud: are pot files dynamically generated from the original xml file?08:47
froudyes08:47
jsgotangcoso if i see a typo error, i do it in the xml then commit so that the next pot is corrected as well?08:48
froudyou see a type in the en xml?08:48
jsgotangcowell Matthias' name in releasenotes is Mattias08:49
jsgotangcoso even the fr-po had Mattias08:49
froudhow do you know it was not misspelled in the fr version08:49
jsgotangcoi looked at both xml and po and his name was mispelled both08:50
froudYes, but how do know that his name is not spelled Matthias?08:51
jsgotangcook i didnt get that english right08:51
jeffschjsgotangco made a good catch: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MatthiasUrlichs/08:52
froudjsgotangco: just cause it was spelled Mattias in fr does not mean it was mispelled in English08:52
jsgotangcono08:52
jsgotangcoit was mispelled in English08:53
jsgotangcoi checked the xml08:53
jsgotangcoso the pot was already wrong in the first place08:53
froudOk so make a change in the en file08:54
froudand since it is so small make the same change in the pot08:54
froudpatch and I will apply it08:54
froudno need to regenerate all08:54
froudjust for one word or name08:55
jsgotangcoi know i know08:55
jsgotangcoive got a question though, what do you mean by patch08:55
froudyou have a working copy under svn right?08:59
jsgotangcoyes08:59
froudok so the fr and en files are under rev control08:59
froudjust do08:59
froudhold09:00
frouddo you have any changes anywhere else in your repos09:00
jsgotangcothere are changes but not yet done i will move them out first09:00
froudwhere in another directory09:00
jsgotangcooutside the working copy09:01
froudno I mean are you changes in another dir other than releasnotes/09:01
jsgotangcono its just in releasenotes/09:01
froudok09:02
froudfirst do svn up in trunk/09:02
froudthen do sbn status09:02
froudsvn status09:02
froudsorry early in the morn my finger need to warm up09:02
froudsvn status will show the files modified09:03
froudand any files not under svn controll09:03
jsgotangcoi found 2 files that i have been translating09:03
froudok but have they been added to svn yet?09:04
froudiow did you do svn add to them?09:04
jsgotangcono not yet i dont upload anything yet just local09:04
froudOk good09:04
jsgotangcoit has a ? on the frong09:04
jsgotangcofront09:04
froudgood09:04
froudmake trunk/ your pwd09:05
froudthen do svn diff releasenotes > releasenotes.diff09:06
froudthis will create the file releasenotes.diff in trunk/09:06
froudemail the diff (also called a patch) to the list09:06
jsgotangcoahh there's the patch09:07
jsgotangcoit said svn: 'releasenotes.diff' is not under version control09:10
=== Burgundavia [~Burgundav@24.68.136.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc
froudah sorry09:13
froudin trunk/09:13
frouddo09:14
froudsvn diff releasenotes.diff09:14
jsgotangcosvn: 'releasenotes.diff' is not under version control09:15
frouddid you actualy make a file called releasenote.diff09:16
jsgotangcoyes09:16
froudyou should not have one if you did09:16
jsgotangcoits in trunk09:16
jsgotangcowa09:16
froudno the diff will do it for you09:16
jsgotangcosvn diff releasenotes > releasenotes.diff created the patch09:17
froudwhen you do svn diff > somefile.ext.diff you are redirecting the stdout to a file09:17
froudyes09:17
froudthere you go09:17
froudeasy09:17
froudnow you can see th epatch09:17
jsgotangcoyes ive seen the changes09:17
frouddo less releasenotes.diff09:17
froudq to quit09:17
froudsend the patch if you are happy with it09:18
jsgotangcoahh09:18
jsgotangcoso thats the patch09:18
jsgotangcoi send it to ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com right09:18
froudyep :-)09:19
jsgotangcook its a silly patch but its my first time09:20
jeffschfroud: i have a question about "svn diff releasenotes"09:21
jeffschreleasenotes is not an actual file in trunk09:21
froudjsgotangco: we al have a first time09:21
jeffschso does svn ignore that?09:21
jsgotangcoya its a folder09:21
jeffschdoh!09:22
froudjeffsch: you can also do svn diff inside the releasenotes folder09:22
jsgotangcofroud: does svn diff just compare the names and check the difference?09:22
jeffschthat's wut i have always done. So now I learn something new!09:22
froudchaps why do you all insist on using the cli for this. Just apt-get install esvn09:22
jeffsch:)09:22
jsgotangcoi downloaded esvn and it was confusing for me09:23
jeffschhmmm... I have to hook up universe one of these days09:23
froudoooooo. Xhosa translations just arrived in my in box09:23
froudjs how can it be confusing RTfM 09:24
jsgotangco*grin*09:24
froudIts a GUI what is confusing about it09:24
froudwhat does 29-3 mean in the file names of these translations?09:25
jsgotangcook ok maybe a wiki entry on esvn would do wonders *grin*09:25
froudUmm the whole manual is online09:25
jsgotangcook ill put it in my todo list this weekend so i can learn it09:26
froudhttp://esvn.umputun.com/html-docs/index.html09:26
froudjsgotangco: patches welcome on the manual btw09:26
jsgotangcook but its a long term goal the short term goals are keeping my feet wet first09:27
froudjsgotangco: svn checkout http://esvn.umputun.com/repos/trunk esvn09:27
froudjsgotangco: you are already soaked dude09:28
froudjsgotangco: all we need now is to make bubbles :-)09:28
jsgotangcowtf my gdm has 3 guys hugging now09:28
froudbtw anyone else who wants to work on that manual is more than welcome ;-)09:28
froudhuh09:29
jsgotangcothis is an april fools prank09:29
jsgotangcolol09:29
jsgotangcoif i send the patch, i dont need to say antying on the email right? just attach the patch09:31
jeffschjsgotangco: not "if" you send, "when" you send :)09:34
jsgotangco*grin*09:34
froudthis one is fine we can check it agains the wc to see the changes09:35
jeffschjust make a reasonable subject line, maybe a quick description09:35
froudok we now have Xhosa in the repos09:35
froudright morning chores, grocery shopping09:35
jsgotangcoXhosa is a language?09:35
froudsee ya all later09:35
jeffschcya froud09:35
froudjeff can you apply jsgotangco 's patch?09:36
jeffschokie doke09:36
froudthanks jeffsch thanks fo rthe patch jsgotangco 09:36
jeffschhello Burgundavia09:37
jsgotangcoahhh i learned something new today09:45
Burgundaviasalut09:49
jsgotangcosalut09:49
jeffschjsgotangco: patch applied09:52
Burgundaviajsgotangco: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xhosa09:53
jsgotangcowow that was a good learning experience09:53
jeffschjsgotangco: it was learning experience for me too. It was first time I applied someone else's patch09:54
jeffschyou should double check it to make sure I did it right09:55
jsgotangcohmm reboot x10:02
jsgotangcobbl10:02
=== jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc
jsgotangcobbl10:11
jeffschbbl10:22
=== jeffsch [~jeffsch@fatwire-204-18.uniserve.ca] has left #ubuntu-doc ["gotta]
=== jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc
=== trickie [~trickie@203-166-242-109.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc
jsgotangcohi trickie11:00
=== maskie [~maskie@196-30-109-90.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc
=== mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc
mdkemorning11:16
Burgundaviasalut11:16
mdkeca va?11:19
jsgotangcohi11:21
mdkehi jsgotangco 11:21
Burgundaviaso so11:21
Burgundaviapissed off my ex seriously today11:21
mdkeis that bad?11:21
Burgundaviayes11:22
mdkehmm11:22
Burgundaviawe had a date11:22
Burgundaviaand I forgot about it11:22
mdkeoh11:22
Burgundaviayah11:22
mdkeyou're trying to patch things up?11:22
Burgundaviaoh I will eventually11:22
mdkeyou'll have to make it up to her11:23
mdkejsgotangco, the releasenotes have been frozen11:23
mdkeiirc11:23
jsgotangcoooohhh11:24
mdkethey'll accept critical errors tho i think11:25
jsgotangcoBurgundavia: they don't like PHP stuff in the server for security reasons?11:25
BurgundaviaI think so11:27
BurgundaviaI don't personally think that PHP is unsecurable11:28
jsgotangcooohhh gmail is 1 year old today11:28
jsgotangco*grin*11:28
Burgundaviabut then again, security is very much a selective thing11:28
Burgundaviaif you admins have experience with PHP, then in that case, in might be counted as unsecurable11:29
Burgundavias/have/have no11:29
=== claud1 [~parozc@157.26.3.165] has joined #ubuntu-doc
=== claud1 [~parozc@157.26.3.165] has left #ubuntu-doc []
=== claud1 [~parozc@157.26.3.165] has joined #ubuntu-doc
mdkelater all11:39
=== Burgundavia [~Burgundav@24.68.136.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc
=== claud1 [~parozc@157.26.3.165] has left #ubuntu-doc []
=== claud1 [~parozc@157.26.3.165] has joined #ubuntu-doc
=== claud1 [~parozc@157.26.3.165] has left #ubuntu-doc []
jsgotangcook bye folks11:50
=== mdke [~Matt_@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc
=== froud-away [~froud@ndn-165-144-136.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc
=== mdke sits down to read froud-away's email
=== mdke calls for backup
=== mdke [~Matt_@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc
=== jsgotangco [DaWorm@info9-44.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc
jsgotangcodamn froud your email just nailed it right where it needs to be03:36
froudjsgotangco: what do you mean?03:37
jsgotangcowell its true not all of us are coders and stuff so the solution we need is something that document people can use instead of buidling one from scratch03:38
froudah ok03:38
froudI think we can help in defining stuff03:38
froudbut we need support of few good coders03:39
jsgotangcoaye03:39
froudotherwise we will just be floundering03:39
jsgotangcofroud: OT but i want to ask have you worked with Rosettanet XML before?03:42
froudjsgotangco: no03:42
jsgotangcook tnx03:42
mdkeping froud04:05
froudmmm04:07
froudwaz up mdke 04:07
mdkehi04:08
mdkere: claude's email04:08
froudyep04:08
mdkeare you gonna do anything about it, or leave it as it is for now?04:08
mdkei guess it is pretty late to change it?04:08
froudI want to hear what claude has to say04:08
frouddude all of i18n is late, we do what we can04:08
jsgotangcowow gmail is now 1.4GB04:09
mdkefroud, hmmm04:09
mdkefroud, ok cool04:09
jsgotangcofroud: do any i18n contributions still get into hoary by release?04:09
froudwhatever we have will go in otherwise not04:10
froudbut enrico will know better04:10
jsgotangco*grin* i see myself doing more after hoary then hehe04:14
mdketry and get aboutubuntu and releasenotes done for hoary04:15
mdkethey are short04:16
jsgotangcoim doing releasenotes now04:17
mdke:)04:17
jsgotangcoitll be done later04:17
jsgotangco*grin*04:17
jsgotangcoi'll bbl and finish this first04:19
=== abelli [~john@host-84-222-39-106.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc
=== claude [~claude@74.33.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-doc
abellisladen: ding. can you help me with ubuntu-vserver?05:57
sladenabelli: possible06:18
sladenabelli: possibly06:18
abellisladen: hellllllooooo06:18
sladenabelli: hi.  Greetings from the Netherlands06:19
abellisladen: how can i do?06:19
abelliwhat's in amsterdam?06:19
sladendrugs and sex, mostly06:20
sladenleft amsterdam a couple of days, I'm not up North in Groningen06:20
abelliahhh ok06:29
abelliwhat about vservers which category do they fall in?06:29
sladenone kernel, many virtual machines, near-zero overhead  06:31
sladensimilar to Solaris Zones or BSD Jail on steroids06:32
abellisladen: yeah i know the principle ... how can i do it in ubuntu06:33
abellisomeone told me that vserver and debian are not good friends ..06:35
abelliwhat about ubuntu ? 06:36
abelliwhat kernel should i use ...06:36
sladenmmm, good quesiton06:36
sladenhaven't actually done anything with vservers on Ubuntu06:36
abellimmm, good answer ... let me prepare the next good question ...06:37
abelli...06:37
abellisladen: so?06:37
sladenthe problem is that I've lost track of what's been going on.  The stuff I'm using at kernel patches and tools that I've /comfortable/ with.  Some might call them out of date, but I'm more confident in stuff I wrote myself ;-)06:37
sladenyou're looking for something like  linux-patch-ctx  and then vserver-something for the userspace tools06:38
abelliyeah and then i need to read what fm to get things running properly?06:39
=== cosmobot [~zic@ts3-a190.Voronezh.dial.rol.ru] has joined #ubuntu-doc
sladenopal keeps the debian packages going.  and ask on #vserver06:41
sladenfor current best practise.  Anything I say is probably related to the previous toolset and 6 months out of date06:42
abellisladen: on #vserver oftc.net they basically said that the debian way is the wrong way06:44
abellisladen: ok got your point ... let's do it the uml way .06:51
=== claude [~claude@74.33.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-doc
=== mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc
claudehi guys, do you know when the Makefile will include translations ?08:26
claudeIs this enrico or trickie's job ?08:26
froudmake file does include translations, the packaging system needs fix ing and that need enrico08:27
mdkedid you guys resolve the alphabetical order thing?08:27
claudeno, the build process create xml files, but not html ones08:27
froudah ha you mean that 08:28
claude(xsltproc...)08:28
froudah ha that is my job08:28
froud:-)08:28
=== froud hides
claudehe he...08:28
claudestop watching TV08:28
claude:)08:28
froudactuall writing more docs for you to translate08:28
claudegrrrr...08:29
froudI will add it. Promise08:29
claude10, 9, 8, 7...08:29
frouddont shoot08:29
=== froud stands up with his hands in the air
claudeyou resign08:29
froudfrom what I was never in charge08:30
claudeyour goodness is infinite08:30
=== froud grows horns again
mdkedid you guys resolve the alphabetical order thing?08:31
froudalpha oprder thing?08:31
froudoh the email08:31
claudethanks for your answer, froud08:31
froudI leave it up to claude 08:31
claudeit makes sense, all this stuff with entities08:31
claude:)08:31
froudit does08:31
claudebut not before Hoary release, right ?08:31
frouddo you want to translate the menus08:31
froudI will make the po file08:32
frouds08:32
claudesss08:32
froudno really, do you understand the method I propose08:32
claudei'll surely need your help08:33
froudif so and you dont see problems I can impliment it08:33
froudthat is why I am here08:33
froudto help08:33
mdkefroud, would that mean recalling all the translators working on the old pot files?08:33
froudonce we have the menus translated it will save having to translate them in the furture08:34
froudno08:34
froudjust make translators work on the files in common/menus08:34
froudI will make po files for them08:34
claudebut i think we need to redesign the folders, for i18n08:34
claudei propose we start all this after Hoary08:34
froudand make the global ent08:34
mdkei would tend to agree with claude for now08:34
froud:-) horns are growing again08:35
=== froud is itching to get passed hoary
mdkeyeah i know what you mean08:35
mdkefor next release we can organise a good translation system08:35
froudIt will be much smoother promise08:35
=== maskie [~maskie@196-30-109-22.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc
mdkeyeah08:36
claudefirst, if you could adapt Makefile for localized abt, rn and qg08:36
froudOK08:36
mdkewhat does that do?08:36
mdkesomeone take pity on my n00bishness08:36
claudecreate html target08:37
claudeat least for abt and rn08:37
mdkeand what does that do?08:38
claudewe can see the files with Web browser, as they will eventually be08:38
mdkeok08:38
mdkefair play08:38
claudei'm not used to png, but is this normal that screenshots are so big (464 Ko for aboutubuntu.png)08:54
froudthey should have compression level of 9 applied08:55
froudbut some screens may have been cpatured without compression08:55
mdkeyeah08:55
mdkethey are normally big08:55
claudeenormous comparing to gif08:56
froudto gif yes08:56
froudbut we have set a process for captures that accomodates both print and screen usage08:56
froudthe tradeoff is that the images are larger than gif08:57
froudbut if we decide to do pdf we will have good looking images08:57
froudthe process for capture is to use imagemagic08:57
claudeso th build process for html target should compress them08:57
froudhow do you propose to do that?08:58
claudeprobably with imagemagick08:58
claudei don't know but there should be a converter function08:58
claudetodo list :)08:58
froudhe he I will see what I can do. we dont want too much compression so as to cause loss of clarity08:59
claudeno need for print resolution if viewing in HTML08:59
claudei understand the source will be non compressed08:59
froudclaude: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/TakingScreenshots09:00
froudthey should be compressed if authors follow this09:00
claude26 Mb for image folder, do you see the size of the package !!09:01
froudyes I know09:01
froudtake a look at the sizes on othe rpackages09:01
claudei don't agree, only openoffice.org is so big09:02
froudit's a compromise09:02
froudthe quick guide has many images09:02
froudlike open office09:02
froudto help reduce space usage we put images into a single folder and make docs reuse images rather than capture them again and store them twice09:03
froudover time this effect will be felt09:03
froudthat is why all images are in /images09:04
froudand not in the doc folders themselves09:04
claudethat's good09:04
froudI admit it is a problem. But we decided on a compromise so we wont have to keep two image types in the repos. Once for screen and once for print09:05
froudthe captures in the format created using the process described is the best compromise we could find09:05
froudit works well for screen and print09:05
froudone image for both09:05
froudI must go now09:05
froudwill see you later09:06
claudek09:06
=== _froud [~froud@ndn-165-142-190.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc
=== _froud_ [~froud@ndn-165-144-136.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc
=== cosmobot [cosmobot@ts3-a151.Voronezh.dial.rol.ru] has joined #ubuntu-doc
=== mdke [~matt@81-179-193-33.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc
claudemdke: see http://www.rpn.ch/ubuntu10:21
mdkewill do10:21
mdkenice :)10:24
claudethanks10:25
mdkeyou see the email about rosetta/10:25
mdke?10:25
claudeyes10:25
claudebut the're still many questions...10:25
mdkeheh10:26
claudei didn't find the quickguide10:26
claudebut release-notes and ubaout-ubuntu are 2 times10:26
mdkein rosetta?10:28
claudehurry up, there's still no italian translator team :)10:28
mdkeheh10:28
mdkei'll email them10:28
mdkebut we've already done release-notes and about-ubuntu10:28
=== mdke sighs
mdkethis has been organised so badly10:29
claude...10:29
mdkewhere are the release notes and about-ubuntu found in rosetta?10:38
claudeon the list https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/hoary/+translations10:40
claudereview-hoary-ubuntu-docs-1 /2 /3 /410:40
mdkeoh10:40
claude1 and 3 are release, 2 and 4 are about10:40
claude??10:40
mdkebizarre10:41
claudeindeed10:41
claudeand duplicate in languages only add troubles10:42
mdkewhat are we supposed to do with the translations that are already done?10:42
mdkeyou mean like French, French (CH) etc?10:42
claudeexactly10:42
mdkeyeah there are 3 italians10:42
mdkemy god10:42
claudei think the template administrator can import po file10:43
=== mdke replies to email announcement
=== claude checks his mail
mdkehaven't written it yet10:45
claudeDafydd promised other instructions soon10:47
mdkeok10:47
mdkeso you think maybe quickguide is in there, but can't be found?10:58
claudedon't know10:59
mdkeits a strange structure11:00
mdkestrange system too11:11
mdkeoh well11:11
=== sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc
=== Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S01060050bfaff151.du.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc
Burgundaviasalut11:23
mdkehi Burgundavia 11:26
mdkeclaude, do you know what the system for going between rosetta-> packaging is?11:27
claudeno, and that's make me worry11:30
mdkeyou know what i think?11:31
mdkei think we should carry on with our system until hoary is released and then start going with rosetta11:31
claudewe can also use rosetta, and export po files from rosetta11:31
claudefor software, i think rosetta's results are directly imported into langguage packs11:32
claudebut we need some post-processing11:32
claudepo2xml11:33
mdkei can't help but think this hasn't been thought through11:33
claudemaybe, maybe not :)11:33
mdkethe ubuntu-translators/rosetta-users list distinction does not help for coordination11:34
claudeok, i'm going to sleep now11:34
mdkeok11:34
claudeall we be resolved tomorrow11:34
claude"la nuit porte conseil"11:35
mdkeoui11:35
claude:)11:35
mdkebonne nuit11:35
mdkesogni d'oro11:35
claudeciao11:35
=== claude [~claude@74.33.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"]

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!