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[04:54] <jsgotangco> hello
[04:54] <Liz> hiay
[04:55] <Liz> slight problem here..no display..working with someone in #ubuntu
[04:55] <Liz> sorry
[04:55] <jsgotangco> hi Liz
[04:55] <jsgotangco> ok
[05:11] <jsgotangco> hmmm typo on release notes
[05:11] <jsgotangco> Mattias should be Matthias if im not mistaken
[05:30] <Liz> yay..im me again
[05:31] <jsgotangco> hehe
[05:38] <jsgotangco> ahh the Hoary repos have been quiet lately
[05:50] <jsgotangco> huh?
[05:50] <Liz> running off to a lug meeting
[05:50] <Liz> heh
[05:50] <Liz> see ya later
[05:50] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:50] <jsgotangco> see ya
[06:23] <jsgotangco> hi jeffsch
[06:23] <jeffsch> hello
[06:23] <jeffsch> what's up?
[06:23] <jsgotangco> im looking at my po file for releasenotes
[06:23] <jsgotangco> i noticed that Matthias' name is Mattias in the credits
[06:24] <jeffsch> i don't know much about po files.
[06:24] <jeffsch> is it only in the po file?
[06:25] <jsgotangco> does releasenotes have an xml file?
[06:26] <jeffsch> yes. it should be in the same folder as the po file
[06:26] <jsgotangco> let me check my working dir
[06:27] <jsgotangco> oh yes its a typo on Matthias' name but i will check for further typo errors later
[06:28] <jeffsch> my guess is that if you change it in the xml file, the change will eventually propagate to the po file
[06:29] <jsgotangco> if it was committed right
[08:44] <jsgotangco> greets froud
[08:44] <froud> African Greetings
[08:47] <jsgotangco> froud: are pot files dynamically generated from the original xml file?
[08:47] <froud> yes
[08:48] <jsgotangco> so if i see a typo error, i do it in the xml then commit so that the next pot is corrected as well?
[08:48] <froud> you see a type in the en xml?
[08:49] <jsgotangco> well Matthias' name in releasenotes is Mattias
[08:49] <jsgotangco> so even the fr-po had Mattias
[08:49] <froud> how do you know it was not misspelled in the fr version
[08:50] <jsgotangco> i looked at both xml and po and his name was mispelled both
[08:51] <froud> Yes, but how do know that his name is not spelled Matthias?
[08:51] <jsgotangco> ok i didnt get that english right
[08:52] <jeffsch> jsgotangco made a good catch: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MatthiasUrlichs/
[08:52] <froud> jsgotangco: just cause it was spelled Mattias in fr does not mean it was mispelled in English
[08:52] <jsgotangco> no
[08:53] <jsgotangco> it was mispelled in English
[08:53] <jsgotangco> i checked the xml
[08:53] <jsgotangco> so the pot was already wrong in the first place
[08:54] <froud> Ok so make a change in the en file
[08:54] <froud> and since it is so small make the same change in the pot
[08:54] <froud> patch and I will apply it
[08:54] <froud> no need to regenerate all
[08:55] <froud> just for one word or name
[08:55] <jsgotangco> i know i know
[08:55] <jsgotangco> ive got a question though, what do you mean by patch
[08:59] <froud> you have a working copy under svn right?
[08:59] <jsgotangco> yes
[08:59] <froud> ok so the fr and en files are under rev control
[08:59] <froud> just do
[09:00] <froud> hold
[09:00] <froud> do you have any changes anywhere else in your repos
[09:00] <jsgotangco> there are changes but not yet done i will move them out first
[09:00] <froud> where in another directory
[09:01] <jsgotangco> outside the working copy
[09:01] <froud> no I mean are you changes in another dir other than releasnotes/
[09:01] <jsgotangco> no its just in releasenotes/
[09:02] <froud> ok
[09:02] <froud> first do svn up in trunk/
[09:02] <froud> then do sbn status
[09:02] <froud> svn status
[09:02] <froud> sorry early in the morn my finger need to warm up
[09:03] <froud> svn status will show the files modified
[09:03] <froud> and any files not under svn controll
[09:03] <jsgotangco> i found 2 files that i have been translating
[09:04] <froud> ok but have they been added to svn yet?
[09:04] <froud> iow did you do svn add to them?
[09:04] <jsgotangco> no not yet i dont upload anything yet just local
[09:04] <froud> Ok good
[09:04] <jsgotangco> it has a ? on the frong
[09:04] <jsgotangco> front
[09:04] <froud> good
[09:05] <froud> make trunk/ your pwd
[09:06] <froud> then do svn diff releasenotes > releasenotes.diff
[09:06] <froud> this will create the file releasenotes.diff in trunk/
[09:06] <froud> email the diff (also called a patch) to the list
[09:07] <jsgotangco> ahh there's the patch
[09:10] <jsgotangco> it said svn: 'releasenotes.diff' is not under version control
[09:13] <froud> ah sorry
[09:13] <froud> in trunk/
[09:14] <froud> do
[09:14] <froud> svn diff releasenotes.diff
[09:15] <jsgotangco> svn: 'releasenotes.diff' is not under version control
[09:16] <froud> did you actualy make a file called releasenote.diff
[09:16] <jsgotangco> yes
[09:16] <froud> you should not have one if you did
[09:16] <jsgotangco> its in trunk
[09:16] <jsgotangco> wa
[09:16] <froud> no the diff will do it for you
[09:17] <jsgotangco> svn diff releasenotes > releasenotes.diff created the patch
[09:17] <froud> when you do svn diff > somefile.ext.diff you are redirecting the stdout to a file
[09:17] <froud> yes
[09:17] <froud> there you go
[09:17] <froud> easy
[09:17] <froud> now you can see th epatch
[09:17] <jsgotangco> yes ive seen the changes
[09:17] <froud> do less releasenotes.diff
[09:17] <froud> q to quit
[09:18] <froud> send the patch if you are happy with it
[09:18] <jsgotangco> ahh
[09:18] <jsgotangco> so thats the patch
[09:18] <jsgotangco> i send it to ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com right
[09:19] <froud> yep :-)
[09:20] <jsgotangco> ok its a silly patch but its my first time
[09:21] <jeffsch> froud: i have a question about "svn diff releasenotes"
[09:21] <jeffsch> releasenotes is not an actual file in trunk
[09:21] <froud> jsgotangco: we al have a first time
[09:21] <jeffsch> so does svn ignore that?
[09:21] <jsgotangco> ya its a folder
[09:22] <jeffsch> doh!
[09:22] <froud> jeffsch: you can also do svn diff inside the releasenotes folder
[09:22] <jsgotangco> froud: does svn diff just compare the names and check the difference?
[09:22] <jeffsch> that's wut i have always done. So now I learn something new!
[09:22] <froud> chaps why do you all insist on using the cli for this. Just apt-get install esvn
[09:22] <jeffsch> :)
[09:23] <jsgotangco> i downloaded esvn and it was confusing for me
[09:23] <jeffsch> hmmm... I have to hook up universe one of these days
[09:23] <froud> oooooo. Xhosa translations just arrived in my in box
[09:24] <froud> js how can it be confusing RTfM 
[09:24] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[09:24] <froud> Its a GUI what is confusing about it
[09:25] <froud> what does 29-3 mean in the file names of these translations?
[09:25] <jsgotangco> ok ok maybe a wiki entry on esvn would do wonders *grin*
[09:25] <froud> Umm the whole manual is online
[09:26] <jsgotangco> ok ill put it in my todo list this weekend so i can learn it
[09:26] <froud> http://esvn.umputun.com/html-docs/index.html
[09:26] <froud> jsgotangco: patches welcome on the manual btw
[09:27] <jsgotangco> ok but its a long term goal the short term goals are keeping my feet wet first
[09:27] <froud> jsgotangco: svn checkout http://esvn.umputun.com/repos/trunk esvn
[09:28] <froud> jsgotangco: you are already soaked dude
[09:28] <froud> jsgotangco: all we need now is to make bubbles :-)
[09:28] <jsgotangco> wtf my gdm has 3 guys hugging now
[09:28] <froud> btw anyone else who wants to work on that manual is more than welcome ;-)
[09:29] <froud> huh
[09:29] <jsgotangco> this is an april fools prank
[09:29] <jsgotangco> lol
[09:31] <jsgotangco> if i send the patch, i dont need to say antying on the email right? just attach the patch
[09:34] <jeffsch> jsgotangco: not "if" you send, "when" you send :)
[09:34] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[09:35] <froud> this one is fine we can check it agains the wc to see the changes
[09:35] <jeffsch> just make a reasonable subject line, maybe a quick description
[09:35] <froud> ok we now have Xhosa in the repos
[09:35] <froud> right morning chores, grocery shopping
[09:35] <jsgotangco> Xhosa is a language?
[09:35] <froud> see ya all later
[09:35] <jeffsch> cya froud
[09:36] <froud> jeff can you apply jsgotangco 's patch?
[09:36] <jeffsch> okie doke
[09:36] <froud> thanks jeffsch thanks fo rthe patch jsgotangco 
[09:37] <jeffsch> hello Burgundavia
[09:45] <jsgotangco> ahhh i learned something new today
[09:49] <Burgundavia> salut
[09:49] <jsgotangco> salut
[09:52] <jeffsch> jsgotangco: patch applied
[09:53] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xhosa
[09:53] <jsgotangco> wow that was a good learning experience
[09:54] <jeffsch> jsgotangco: it was learning experience for me too. It was first time I applied someone else's patch
[09:55] <jeffsch> you should double check it to make sure I did it right
[10:02] <jsgotangco> hmm reboot x
[10:02] <jsgotangco> bbl
[10:11] <jsgotangco> bbl
[10:22] <jeffsch> bbl
[11:00] <jsgotangco> hi trickie
[11:16] <mdke> morning
[11:16] <Burgundavia> salut
[11:19] <mdke> ca va?
[11:21] <jsgotangco> hi
[11:21] <mdke> hi jsgotangco 
[11:21] <Burgundavia> so so
[11:21] <Burgundavia> pissed off my ex seriously today
[11:21] <mdke> is that bad?
[11:22] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:22] <mdke> hmm
[11:22] <Burgundavia> we had a date
[11:22] <Burgundavia> and I forgot about it
[11:22] <mdke> oh
[11:22] <Burgundavia> yah
[11:22] <mdke> you're trying to patch things up?
[11:22] <Burgundavia> oh I will eventually
[11:23] <mdke> you'll have to make it up to her
[11:23] <mdke> jsgotangco, the releasenotes have been frozen
[11:23] <mdke> iirc
[11:24] <jsgotangco> ooohhh
[11:25] <mdke> they'll accept critical errors tho i think
[11:25] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: they don't like PHP stuff in the server for security reasons?
[11:27] <Burgundavia> I think so
[11:28] <Burgundavia> I don't personally think that PHP is unsecurable
[11:28] <jsgotangco> oohhh gmail is 1 year old today
[11:28] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[11:28] <Burgundavia> but then again, security is very much a selective thing
[11:29] <Burgundavia> if you admins have experience with PHP, then in that case, in might be counted as unsecurable
[11:29] <Burgundavia> s/have/have no
[11:39] <mdke> later all
[11:50] <jsgotangco> ok bye folks
[03:36] <jsgotangco> damn froud your email just nailed it right where it needs to be
[03:37] <froud> jsgotangco: what do you mean?
[03:38] <jsgotangco> well its true not all of us are coders and stuff so the solution we need is something that document people can use instead of buidling one from scratch
[03:38] <froud> ah ok
[03:38] <froud> I think we can help in defining stuff
[03:39] <froud> but we need support of few good coders
[03:39] <jsgotangco> aye
[03:39] <froud> otherwise we will just be floundering
[03:42] <jsgotangco> froud: OT but i want to ask have you worked with Rosettanet XML before?
[03:42] <froud> jsgotangco: no
[03:42] <jsgotangco> ok tnx
[04:05] <mdke> ping froud
[04:07] <froud> mmm
[04:07] <froud> waz up mdke 
[04:08] <mdke> hi
[04:08] <mdke> re: claude's email
[04:08] <froud> yep
[04:08] <mdke> are you gonna do anything about it, or leave it as it is for now?
[04:08] <mdke> i guess it is pretty late to change it?
[04:08] <froud> I want to hear what claude has to say
[04:08] <froud> dude all of i18n is late, we do what we can
[04:09] <jsgotangco> wow gmail is now 1.4GB
[04:09] <mdke> froud, hmmm
[04:09] <mdke> froud, ok cool
[04:09] <jsgotangco> froud: do any i18n contributions still get into hoary by release?
[04:10] <froud> whatever we have will go in otherwise not
[04:10] <froud> but enrico will know better
[04:14] <jsgotangco> *grin* i see myself doing more after hoary then hehe
[04:15] <mdke> try and get aboutubuntu and releasenotes done for hoary
[04:16] <mdke> they are short
[04:17] <jsgotangco> im doing releasenotes now
[04:17] <mdke> :)
[04:17] <jsgotangco> itll be done later
[04:17] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[04:19] <jsgotangco> i'll bbl and finish this first
[05:57] <abelli> sladen: ding. can you help me with ubuntu-vserver?
[06:18] <sladen> abelli: possible
[06:18] <sladen> abelli: possibly
[06:18] <abelli> sladen: hellllllooooo
[06:19] <sladen> abelli: hi.  Greetings from the Netherlands
[06:19] <abelli> sladen: how can i do?
[06:19] <abelli> what's in amsterdam?
[06:20] <sladen> drugs and sex, mostly
[06:20] <sladen> left amsterdam a couple of days, I'm not up North in Groningen
[06:29] <abelli> ahhh ok
[06:29] <abelli> what about vservers which category do they fall in?
[06:31] <sladen> one kernel, many virtual machines, near-zero overhead  
[06:32] <sladen> similar to Solaris Zones or BSD Jail on steroids
[06:33] <abelli> sladen: yeah i know the principle ... how can i do it in ubuntu
[06:35] <abelli> someone told me that vserver and debian are not good friends ..
[06:36] <abelli> what about ubuntu ? 
[06:36] <abelli> what kernel should i use ...
[06:36] <sladen> mmm, good quesiton
[06:36] <sladen> haven't actually done anything with vservers on Ubuntu
[06:37] <abelli> mmm, good answer ... let me prepare the next good question ...
[06:37] <abelli> ...
[06:37] <abelli> sladen: so?
[06:37] <sladen> the problem is that I've lost track of what's been going on.  The stuff I'm using at kernel patches and tools that I've /comfortable/ with.  Some might call them out of date, but I'm more confident in stuff I wrote myself ;-)
[06:38] <sladen> you're looking for something like  linux-patch-ctx  and then vserver-something for the userspace tools
[06:39] <abelli> yeah and then i need to read what fm to get things running properly?
[06:41] <sladen> opal keeps the debian packages going.  and ask on #vserver
[06:42] <sladen> for current best practise.  Anything I say is probably related to the previous toolset and 6 months out of date
[06:44] <abelli> sladen: on #vserver oftc.net they basically said that the debian way is the wrong way
[06:51] <abelli> sladen: ok got your point ... let's do it the uml way .
[08:26] <claude> hi guys, do you know when the Makefile will include translations ?
[08:26] <claude> Is this enrico or trickie's job ?
[08:27] <froud> make file does include translations, the packaging system needs fix ing and that need enrico
[08:27] <mdke> did you guys resolve the alphabetical order thing?
[08:27] <claude> no, the build process create xml files, but not html ones
[08:28] <froud> ah ha you mean that 
[08:28] <claude> (xsltproc...)
[08:28] <froud> ah ha that is my job
[08:28] <froud> :-)
[08:28] <claude> he he...
[08:28] <claude> stop watching TV
[08:28] <claude> :)
[08:28] <froud> actuall writing more docs for you to translate
[08:29] <claude> grrrr...
[08:29] <froud> I will add it. Promise
[08:29] <claude> 10, 9, 8, 7...
[08:29] <froud> dont shoot
[08:29] <claude> you resign
[08:30] <froud> from what I was never in charge
[08:30] <claude> your goodness is infinite
[08:31] <mdke> did you guys resolve the alphabetical order thing?
[08:31] <froud> alpha oprder thing?
[08:31] <froud> oh the email
[08:31] <claude> thanks for your answer, froud
[08:31] <froud> I leave it up to claude 
[08:31] <claude> it makes sense, all this stuff with entities
[08:31] <claude> :)
[08:31] <froud> it does
[08:31] <claude> but not before Hoary release, right ?
[08:31] <froud> do you want to translate the menus
[08:32] <froud> I will make the po file
[08:32] <froud> s
[08:32] <claude> sss
[08:32] <froud> no really, do you understand the method I propose
[08:33] <claude> i'll surely need your help
[08:33] <froud> if so and you dont see problems I can impliment it
[08:33] <froud> that is why I am here
[08:33] <froud> to help
[08:33] <mdke> froud, would that mean recalling all the translators working on the old pot files?
[08:34] <froud> once we have the menus translated it will save having to translate them in the furture
[08:34] <froud> no
[08:34] <froud> just make translators work on the files in common/menus
[08:34] <froud> I will make po files for them
[08:34] <claude> but i think we need to redesign the folders, for i18n
[08:34] <claude> i propose we start all this after Hoary
[08:34] <froud> and make the global ent
[08:34] <mdke> i would tend to agree with claude for now
[08:35] <froud> :-) horns are growing again
[08:35] <mdke> yeah i know what you mean
[08:35] <mdke> for next release we can organise a good translation system
[08:35] <froud> It will be much smoother promise
[08:36] <mdke> yeah
[08:36] <claude> first, if you could adapt Makefile for localized abt, rn and qg
[08:36] <froud> OK
[08:36] <mdke> what does that do?
[08:36] <mdke> someone take pity on my n00bishness
[08:37] <claude> create html target
[08:37] <claude> at least for abt and rn
[08:38] <mdke> and what does that do?
[08:38] <claude> we can see the files with Web browser, as they will eventually be
[08:38] <mdke> ok
[08:38] <mdke> fair play
[08:54] <claude> i'm not used to png, but is this normal that screenshots are so big (464 Ko for aboutubuntu.png)
[08:55] <froud> they should have compression level of 9 applied
[08:55] <froud> but some screens may have been cpatured without compression
[08:55] <mdke> yeah
[08:55] <mdke> they are normally big
[08:56] <claude> enormous comparing to gif
[08:56] <froud> to gif yes
[08:56] <froud> but we have set a process for captures that accomodates both print and screen usage
[08:57] <froud> the tradeoff is that the images are larger than gif
[08:57] <froud> but if we decide to do pdf we will have good looking images
[08:57] <froud> the process for capture is to use imagemagic
[08:57] <claude> so th build process for html target should compress them
[08:58] <froud> how do you propose to do that?
[08:58] <claude> probably with imagemagick
[08:58] <claude> i don't know but there should be a converter function
[08:58] <claude> todo list :)
[08:59] <froud> he he I will see what I can do. we dont want too much compression so as to cause loss of clarity
[08:59] <claude> no need for print resolution if viewing in HTML
[08:59] <claude> i understand the source will be non compressed
[09:00] <froud> claude: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/TakingScreenshots
[09:00] <froud> they should be compressed if authors follow this
[09:01] <claude> 26 Mb for image folder, do you see the size of the package !!
[09:01] <froud> yes I know
[09:01] <froud> take a look at the sizes on othe rpackages
[09:02] <claude> i don't agree, only openoffice.org is so big
[09:02] <froud> it's a compromise
[09:02] <froud> the quick guide has many images
[09:02] <froud> like open office
[09:03] <froud> to help reduce space usage we put images into a single folder and make docs reuse images rather than capture them again and store them twice
[09:03] <froud> over time this effect will be felt
[09:04] <froud> that is why all images are in /images
[09:04] <froud> and not in the doc folders themselves
[09:04] <claude> that's good
[09:05] <froud> I admit it is a problem. But we decided on a compromise so we wont have to keep two image types in the repos. Once for screen and once for print
[09:05] <froud> the captures in the format created using the process described is the best compromise we could find
[09:05] <froud> it works well for screen and print
[09:05] <froud> one image for both
[09:05] <froud> I must go now
[09:06] <froud> will see you later
[09:06] <claude> k
[10:21] <claude> mdke: see http://www.rpn.ch/ubuntu
[10:21] <mdke> will do
[10:24] <mdke> nice :)
[10:25] <claude> thanks
[10:25] <mdke> you see the email about rosetta/
[10:25] <mdke> ?
[10:25] <claude> yes
[10:25] <claude> but the're still many questions...
[10:26] <mdke> heh
[10:26] <claude> i didn't find the quickguide
[10:26] <claude> but release-notes and ubaout-ubuntu are 2 times
[10:28] <mdke> in rosetta?
[10:28] <claude> hurry up, there's still no italian translator team :)
[10:28] <mdke> heh
[10:28] <mdke> i'll email them
[10:28] <mdke> but we've already done release-notes and about-ubuntu
[10:29] <mdke> this has been organised so badly
[10:29] <claude> ...
[10:38] <mdke> where are the release notes and about-ubuntu found in rosetta?
[10:40] <claude> on the list https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/hoary/+translations
[10:40] <claude> review-hoary-ubuntu-docs-1 /2 /3 /4
[10:40] <mdke> oh
[10:40] <claude> 1 and 3 are release, 2 and 4 are about
[10:40] <claude> ??
[10:41] <mdke> bizarre
[10:41] <claude> indeed
[10:42] <claude> and duplicate in languages only add troubles
[10:42] <mdke> what are we supposed to do with the translations that are already done?
[10:42] <mdke> you mean like French, French (CH) etc?
[10:42] <claude> exactly
[10:42] <mdke> yeah there are 3 italians
[10:42] <mdke> my god
[10:43] <claude> i think the template administrator can import po file
[10:45] <mdke> haven't written it yet
[10:47] <claude> Dafydd promised other instructions soon
[10:47] <mdke> ok
[10:58] <mdke> so you think maybe quickguide is in there, but can't be found?
[10:59] <claude> don't know
[11:00] <mdke> its a strange structure
[11:11] <mdke> strange system too
[11:11] <mdke> oh well
[11:23] <Burgundavia> salut
[11:26] <mdke> hi Burgundavia 
[11:27] <mdke> claude, do you know what the system for going between rosetta-> packaging is?
[11:30] <claude> no, and that's make me worry
[11:31] <mdke> you know what i think?
[11:31] <mdke> i think we should carry on with our system until hoary is released and then start going with rosetta
[11:31] <claude> we can also use rosetta, and export po files from rosetta
[11:32] <claude> for software, i think rosetta's results are directly imported into langguage packs
[11:32] <claude> but we need some post-processing
[11:33] <claude> po2xml
[11:33] <mdke> i can't help but think this hasn't been thought through
[11:33] <claude> maybe, maybe not :)
[11:34] <mdke> the ubuntu-translators/rosetta-users list distinction does not help for coordination
[11:34] <claude> ok, i'm going to sleep now
[11:34] <mdke> ok
[11:34] <claude> all we be resolved tomorrow
[11:35] <claude> "la nuit porte conseil"
[11:35] <mdke> oui
[11:35] <claude> :)
[11:35] <mdke> bonne nuit
[11:35] <mdke> sogni d'oro
[11:35] <claude> ciao