[12:28] HM Wordpress Banned by Google for Spamming [12:28] HM Wordpress, an incredibly popular Open Source Blogging system was found to be spamming google by inserting hidden links to junk content on high paying Adsense keywords such as mesothelioma and debt consolidation. === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S01060011090228cc.du.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Liz [~me@fixed-203-87-27-63.nsw.chariot.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:54] hello [04:54] hiay [04:55] slight problem here..no display..working with someone in #ubuntu [04:55] sorry [04:55] hi Liz [04:55] ok [05:11] hmmm typo on release notes [05:11] Mattias should be Matthias if im not mistaken === Liz [~Liz@fixed-203-87-27-63.nsw.chariot.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:30] yay..im me again [05:31] hehe === Flonne [~rhx@S0106000f663654db.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:38] ahh the Hoary repos have been quiet lately [05:50] huh? [05:50] running off to a lug meeting [05:50] heh [05:50] see ya later [05:50] heh [05:50] see ya === jeffsch [~jeffsch@fatwire-204-18.uniserve.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:23] hi jeffsch [06:23] hello [06:23] what's up? [06:23] im looking at my po file for releasenotes [06:23] i noticed that Matthias' name is Mattias in the credits [06:24] i don't know much about po files. [06:24] is it only in the po file? [06:25] does releasenotes have an xml file? [06:26] yes. it should be in the same folder as the po file [06:26] let me check my working dir [06:27] oh yes its a typo on Matthias' name but i will check for further typo errors later [06:28] my guess is that if you change it in the xml file, the change will eventually propagate to the po file [06:29] if it was committed right [08:44] greets froud [08:44] African Greetings [08:47] froud: are pot files dynamically generated from the original xml file? [08:47] yes [08:48] so if i see a typo error, i do it in the xml then commit so that the next pot is corrected as well? [08:48] you see a type in the en xml? [08:49] well Matthias' name in releasenotes is Mattias [08:49] so even the fr-po had Mattias [08:49] how do you know it was not misspelled in the fr version [08:50] i looked at both xml and po and his name was mispelled both [08:51] Yes, but how do know that his name is not spelled Matthias? [08:51] ok i didnt get that english right [08:52] jsgotangco made a good catch: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MatthiasUrlichs/ [08:52] jsgotangco: just cause it was spelled Mattias in fr does not mean it was mispelled in English [08:52] no [08:53] it was mispelled in English [08:53] i checked the xml [08:53] so the pot was already wrong in the first place [08:54] Ok so make a change in the en file [08:54] and since it is so small make the same change in the pot [08:54] patch and I will apply it [08:54] no need to regenerate all [08:55] just for one word or name [08:55] i know i know [08:55] ive got a question though, what do you mean by patch [08:59] you have a working copy under svn right? [08:59] yes [08:59] ok so the fr and en files are under rev control [08:59] just do [09:00] hold [09:00] do you have any changes anywhere else in your repos [09:00] there are changes but not yet done i will move them out first [09:00] where in another directory [09:01] outside the working copy [09:01] no I mean are you changes in another dir other than releasnotes/ [09:01] no its just in releasenotes/ [09:02] ok [09:02] first do svn up in trunk/ [09:02] then do sbn status [09:02] svn status [09:02] sorry early in the morn my finger need to warm up [09:03] svn status will show the files modified [09:03] and any files not under svn controll [09:03] i found 2 files that i have been translating [09:04] ok but have they been added to svn yet? [09:04] iow did you do svn add to them? [09:04] no not yet i dont upload anything yet just local [09:04] Ok good [09:04] it has a ? on the frong [09:04] front [09:04] good [09:05] make trunk/ your pwd [09:06] then do svn diff releasenotes > releasenotes.diff [09:06] this will create the file releasenotes.diff in trunk/ [09:06] email the diff (also called a patch) to the list [09:07] ahh there's the patch [09:10] it said svn: 'releasenotes.diff' is not under version control === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@24.68.136.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:13] ah sorry [09:13] in trunk/ [09:14] do [09:14] svn diff releasenotes.diff [09:15] svn: 'releasenotes.diff' is not under version control [09:16] did you actualy make a file called releasenote.diff [09:16] yes [09:16] you should not have one if you did [09:16] its in trunk [09:16] wa [09:16] no the diff will do it for you [09:17] svn diff releasenotes > releasenotes.diff created the patch [09:17] when you do svn diff > somefile.ext.diff you are redirecting the stdout to a file [09:17] yes [09:17] there you go [09:17] easy [09:17] now you can see th epatch [09:17] yes ive seen the changes [09:17] do less releasenotes.diff [09:17] q to quit [09:18] send the patch if you are happy with it [09:18] ahh [09:18] so thats the patch [09:18] i send it to ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com right [09:19] yep :-) [09:20] ok its a silly patch but its my first time [09:21] froud: i have a question about "svn diff releasenotes" [09:21] releasenotes is not an actual file in trunk [09:21] jsgotangco: we al have a first time [09:21] so does svn ignore that? [09:21] ya its a folder [09:22] doh! [09:22] jeffsch: you can also do svn diff inside the releasenotes folder [09:22] froud: does svn diff just compare the names and check the difference? [09:22] that's wut i have always done. So now I learn something new! [09:22] chaps why do you all insist on using the cli for this. Just apt-get install esvn [09:22] :) [09:23] i downloaded esvn and it was confusing for me [09:23] hmmm... I have to hook up universe one of these days [09:23] oooooo. Xhosa translations just arrived in my in box [09:24] js how can it be confusing RTfM [09:24] *grin* [09:24] Its a GUI what is confusing about it [09:25] what does 29-3 mean in the file names of these translations? [09:25] ok ok maybe a wiki entry on esvn would do wonders *grin* [09:25] Umm the whole manual is online [09:26] ok ill put it in my todo list this weekend so i can learn it [09:26] http://esvn.umputun.com/html-docs/index.html [09:26] jsgotangco: patches welcome on the manual btw [09:27] ok but its a long term goal the short term goals are keeping my feet wet first [09:27] jsgotangco: svn checkout http://esvn.umputun.com/repos/trunk esvn [09:28] jsgotangco: you are already soaked dude [09:28] jsgotangco: all we need now is to make bubbles :-) [09:28] wtf my gdm has 3 guys hugging now [09:28] btw anyone else who wants to work on that manual is more than welcome ;-) [09:29] huh [09:29] this is an april fools prank [09:29] lol [09:31] if i send the patch, i dont need to say antying on the email right? just attach the patch [09:34] jsgotangco: not "if" you send, "when" you send :) [09:34] *grin* [09:35] this one is fine we can check it agains the wc to see the changes [09:35] just make a reasonable subject line, maybe a quick description [09:35] ok we now have Xhosa in the repos [09:35] right morning chores, grocery shopping [09:35] Xhosa is a language? [09:35] see ya all later [09:35] cya froud [09:36] jeff can you apply jsgotangco 's patch? [09:36] okie doke [09:36] thanks jeffsch thanks fo rthe patch jsgotangco [09:37] hello Burgundavia [09:45] ahhh i learned something new today [09:49] salut [09:49] salut [09:52] jsgotangco: patch applied [09:53] jsgotangco: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xhosa [09:53] wow that was a good learning experience [09:54] jsgotangco: it was learning experience for me too. It was first time I applied someone else's patch [09:55] you should double check it to make sure I did it right [10:02] hmm reboot x [10:02] bbl === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:11] bbl [10:22] bbl === jeffsch [~jeffsch@fatwire-204-18.uniserve.ca] has left #ubuntu-doc ["gotta] === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === trickie [~trickie@203-166-242-109.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:00] hi trickie === maskie [~maskie@196-30-109-90.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:16] morning [11:16] salut [11:19] ca va? [11:21] hi [11:21] hi jsgotangco [11:21] so so [11:21] pissed off my ex seriously today [11:21] is that bad? [11:22] yes [11:22] hmm [11:22] we had a date [11:22] and I forgot about it [11:22] oh [11:22] yah [11:22] you're trying to patch things up? [11:22] oh I will eventually [11:23] you'll have to make it up to her [11:23] jsgotangco, the releasenotes have been frozen [11:23] iirc [11:24] ooohhh [11:25] they'll accept critical errors tho i think [11:25] Burgundavia: they don't like PHP stuff in the server for security reasons? [11:27] I think so [11:28] I don't personally think that PHP is unsecurable [11:28] oohhh gmail is 1 year old today [11:28] *grin* [11:28] but then again, security is very much a selective thing [11:29] if you admins have experience with PHP, then in that case, in might be counted as unsecurable [11:29] s/have/have no === claud1 [~parozc@157.26.3.165] has joined #ubuntu-doc === claud1 [~parozc@157.26.3.165] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === claud1 [~parozc@157.26.3.165] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:39] later all === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@24.68.136.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc === claud1 [~parozc@157.26.3.165] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === claud1 [~parozc@157.26.3.165] has joined #ubuntu-doc === claud1 [~parozc@157.26.3.165] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [11:50] ok bye folks === mdke [~Matt_@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud-away [~froud@ndn-165-144-136.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke sits down to read froud-away's email === mdke calls for backup === mdke [~Matt_@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [DaWorm@info9-44.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:36] damn froud your email just nailed it right where it needs to be [03:37] jsgotangco: what do you mean? [03:38] well its true not all of us are coders and stuff so the solution we need is something that document people can use instead of buidling one from scratch [03:38] ah ok [03:38] I think we can help in defining stuff [03:39] but we need support of few good coders [03:39] aye [03:39] otherwise we will just be floundering [03:42] froud: OT but i want to ask have you worked with Rosettanet XML before? [03:42] jsgotangco: no [03:42] ok tnx [04:05] ping froud [04:07] mmm [04:07] waz up mdke [04:08] hi [04:08] re: claude's email [04:08] yep [04:08] are you gonna do anything about it, or leave it as it is for now? [04:08] i guess it is pretty late to change it? [04:08] I want to hear what claude has to say [04:08] dude all of i18n is late, we do what we can [04:09] wow gmail is now 1.4GB [04:09] froud, hmmm [04:09] froud, ok cool [04:09] froud: do any i18n contributions still get into hoary by release? [04:10] whatever we have will go in otherwise not [04:10] but enrico will know better [04:14] *grin* i see myself doing more after hoary then hehe [04:15] try and get aboutubuntu and releasenotes done for hoary [04:16] they are short [04:17] im doing releasenotes now [04:17] :) [04:17] itll be done later [04:17] *grin* [04:19] i'll bbl and finish this first === abelli [~john@host-84-222-39-106.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === claude [~claude@74.33.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:57] sladen: ding. can you help me with ubuntu-vserver? [06:18] abelli: possible [06:18] abelli: possibly [06:18] sladen: hellllllooooo [06:19] abelli: hi. Greetings from the Netherlands [06:19] sladen: how can i do? [06:19] what's in amsterdam? [06:20] drugs and sex, mostly [06:20] left amsterdam a couple of days, I'm not up North in Groningen [06:29] ahhh ok [06:29] what about vservers which category do they fall in? [06:31] one kernel, many virtual machines, near-zero overhead [06:32] similar to Solaris Zones or BSD Jail on steroids [06:33] sladen: yeah i know the principle ... how can i do it in ubuntu [06:35] someone told me that vserver and debian are not good friends .. [06:36] what about ubuntu ? [06:36] what kernel should i use ... [06:36] mmm, good quesiton [06:36] haven't actually done anything with vservers on Ubuntu [06:37] mmm, good answer ... let me prepare the next good question ... [06:37] ... [06:37] sladen: so? [06:37] the problem is that I've lost track of what's been going on. The stuff I'm using at kernel patches and tools that I've /comfortable/ with. Some might call them out of date, but I'm more confident in stuff I wrote myself ;-) [06:38] you're looking for something like linux-patch-ctx and then vserver-something for the userspace tools [06:39] yeah and then i need to read what fm to get things running properly? === cosmobot [~zic@ts3-a190.Voronezh.dial.rol.ru] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:41] opal keeps the debian packages going. and ask on #vserver [06:42] for current best practise. Anything I say is probably related to the previous toolset and 6 months out of date [06:44] sladen: on #vserver oftc.net they basically said that the debian way is the wrong way [06:51] sladen: ok got your point ... let's do it the uml way . === claude [~claude@74.33.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:26] hi guys, do you know when the Makefile will include translations ? [08:26] Is this enrico or trickie's job ? [08:27] make file does include translations, the packaging system needs fix ing and that need enrico [08:27] did you guys resolve the alphabetical order thing? [08:27] no, the build process create xml files, but not html ones [08:28] ah ha you mean that [08:28] (xsltproc...) [08:28] ah ha that is my job [08:28] :-) === froud hides [08:28] he he... [08:28] stop watching TV [08:28] :) [08:28] actuall writing more docs for you to translate [08:29] grrrr... [08:29] I will add it. Promise [08:29] 10, 9, 8, 7... [08:29] dont shoot === froud stands up with his hands in the air [08:29] you resign [08:30] from what I was never in charge [08:30] your goodness is infinite === froud grows horns again [08:31] did you guys resolve the alphabetical order thing? [08:31] alpha oprder thing? [08:31] oh the email [08:31] thanks for your answer, froud [08:31] I leave it up to claude [08:31] it makes sense, all this stuff with entities [08:31] :) [08:31] it does [08:31] but not before Hoary release, right ? [08:31] do you want to translate the menus [08:32] I will make the po file [08:32] s [08:32] sss [08:32] no really, do you understand the method I propose [08:33] i'll surely need your help [08:33] if so and you dont see problems I can impliment it [08:33] that is why I am here [08:33] to help [08:33] froud, would that mean recalling all the translators working on the old pot files? [08:34] once we have the menus translated it will save having to translate them in the furture [08:34] no [08:34] just make translators work on the files in common/menus [08:34] I will make po files for them [08:34] but i think we need to redesign the folders, for i18n [08:34] i propose we start all this after Hoary [08:34] and make the global ent [08:34] i would tend to agree with claude for now [08:35] :-) horns are growing again === froud is itching to get passed hoary [08:35] yeah i know what you mean [08:35] for next release we can organise a good translation system [08:35] It will be much smoother promise === maskie [~maskie@196-30-109-22.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:36] yeah [08:36] first, if you could adapt Makefile for localized abt, rn and qg [08:36] OK [08:36] what does that do? [08:36] someone take pity on my n00bishness [08:37] create html target [08:37] at least for abt and rn [08:38] and what does that do? [08:38] we can see the files with Web browser, as they will eventually be [08:38] ok [08:38] fair play [08:54] i'm not used to png, but is this normal that screenshots are so big (464 Ko for aboutubuntu.png) [08:55] they should have compression level of 9 applied [08:55] but some screens may have been cpatured without compression [08:55] yeah [08:55] they are normally big [08:56] enormous comparing to gif [08:56] to gif yes [08:56] but we have set a process for captures that accomodates both print and screen usage [08:57] the tradeoff is that the images are larger than gif [08:57] but if we decide to do pdf we will have good looking images [08:57] the process for capture is to use imagemagic [08:57] so th build process for html target should compress them [08:58] how do you propose to do that? [08:58] probably with imagemagick [08:58] i don't know but there should be a converter function [08:58] todo list :) [08:59] he he I will see what I can do. we dont want too much compression so as to cause loss of clarity [08:59] no need for print resolution if viewing in HTML [08:59] i understand the source will be non compressed [09:00] claude: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/TakingScreenshots [09:00] they should be compressed if authors follow this [09:01] 26 Mb for image folder, do you see the size of the package !! [09:01] yes I know [09:01] take a look at the sizes on othe rpackages [09:02] i don't agree, only openoffice.org is so big [09:02] it's a compromise [09:02] the quick guide has many images [09:02] like open office [09:03] to help reduce space usage we put images into a single folder and make docs reuse images rather than capture them again and store them twice [09:03] over time this effect will be felt [09:04] that is why all images are in /images [09:04] and not in the doc folders themselves [09:04] that's good [09:05] I admit it is a problem. But we decided on a compromise so we wont have to keep two image types in the repos. Once for screen and once for print [09:05] the captures in the format created using the process described is the best compromise we could find [09:05] it works well for screen and print [09:05] one image for both [09:05] I must go now [09:06] will see you later [09:06] k === _froud [~froud@ndn-165-142-190.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _froud_ [~froud@ndn-165-144-136.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cosmobot [cosmobot@ts3-a151.Voronezh.dial.rol.ru] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [~matt@81-179-193-33.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:21] mdke: see http://www.rpn.ch/ubuntu [10:21] will do [10:24] nice :) [10:25] thanks [10:25] you see the email about rosetta/ [10:25] ? [10:25] yes [10:25] but the're still many questions... [10:26] heh [10:26] i didn't find the quickguide [10:26] but release-notes and ubaout-ubuntu are 2 times [10:28] in rosetta? [10:28] hurry up, there's still no italian translator team :) [10:28] heh [10:28] i'll email them [10:28] but we've already done release-notes and about-ubuntu === mdke sighs [10:29] this has been organised so badly [10:29] ... [10:38] where are the release notes and about-ubuntu found in rosetta? [10:40] on the list https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/hoary/+translations [10:40] review-hoary-ubuntu-docs-1 /2 /3 /4 [10:40] oh [10:40] 1 and 3 are release, 2 and 4 are about [10:40] ?? [10:41] bizarre [10:41] indeed [10:42] and duplicate in languages only add troubles [10:42] what are we supposed to do with the translations that are already done? [10:42] you mean like French, French (CH) etc? [10:42] exactly [10:42] yeah there are 3 italians [10:42] my god [10:43] i think the template administrator can import po file === mdke replies to email announcement === claude checks his mail [10:45] haven't written it yet [10:47] Dafydd promised other instructions soon [10:47] ok [10:58] so you think maybe quickguide is in there, but can't be found? [10:59] don't know [11:00] its a strange structure [11:11] strange system too [11:11] oh well === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S01060050bfaff151.du.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:23] salut [11:26] hi Burgundavia [11:27] claude, do you know what the system for going between rosetta-> packaging is? [11:30] no, and that's make me worry [11:31] you know what i think? [11:31] i think we should carry on with our system until hoary is released and then start going with rosetta [11:31] we can also use rosetta, and export po files from rosetta [11:32] for software, i think rosetta's results are directly imported into langguage packs [11:32] but we need some post-processing [11:33] po2xml [11:33] i can't help but think this hasn't been thought through [11:33] maybe, maybe not :) [11:34] the ubuntu-translators/rosetta-users list distinction does not help for coordination [11:34] ok, i'm going to sleep now [11:34] ok [11:34] all we be resolved tomorrow [11:35] "la nuit porte conseil" [11:35] oui [11:35] :) [11:35] bonne nuit [11:35] sogni d'oro [11:35] ciao === claude [~claude@74.33.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"]