[12:00] <delire_> odo: how far does it get? is this warty or hoary?
[12:00] <alvaro> it only has New Window, New Folder, Folder, Import Photos, Write to CD, Close
[12:00] <odo> delire_: hoary
[12:00] <lunitik> alvaro: grrrrr
[12:00] <lunitik> alvaro: Import Photos!
[12:01] <odo> but I'm beginning to think that I screwed up few things..
[12:01] <alvaro> oh shit my photo came up!
[12:01] <alvaro> :D
[12:01] <lunitik> alvaro: gj...
[12:01] <mebaran151> Hey
[12:01] <mebaran151> anyone here want to help me install the Gimp Print 5.0 drivers
[12:01] <mebaran151> my Epson R800 printer is only compatible with the 5.0 beta 5
[12:02] <mebaran151> I dlled the tarball and attempted to checkinstall it
[12:02] <mebaran151> but it didnt quite work
[12:03] <gilles> What is the soft that allow to use the volume buttons ?
[12:03] <runedude> hiya guys whats the file to setup your network IP and stuff?
[12:03] <runedude> I need to set my system to use a static LAN ip, not  a DHCP
[12:03] <delire_> odo: yep, it seems so. is 'gdm' running?
[12:03] <tahorg> gilles: gnome-volume-manager
[12:03] <lunitik> gilles: Computer > Preferences > Keyboard Shortcuts will permit it...
[12:04] <lunitik> tahorg: he said the volume keys... not the volume
[12:04] <gilles> yes, the volume buttons on my keyboard, i can't find anything about it in Computer > Preferences > Keyboard Shortcuts
[12:05] <tahorg> lunitik: buttons is too generic ...
[12:05] <lunitik> gilles: there is also 'hotkeys'...
[12:05] <roo_> runedude, are you using gnome? if so you can use the Network manager in Settings..?
[12:05] <tahorg> "buttons"
[12:05] <lunitik> tahorg: not really... else he would have said 'how do I change the volume'...
[12:05] <runedude> roo_, terminal only
[12:05] <roo_> runedude, /etc/network/interfaces
[12:05] <drspin> I found a problem using full screen + stretch with snes9x -> snes9x isn't in development anymore -> :'(
[12:05] <gilles> the very small up, down, and stop volume button that are next to the touchpad of my keyboard
[12:05] <runedude> thanks, do i need to reboot for those to be in effect?
[12:06] <roo_> runedude, this is linux, of course not ;)
[12:06] <kbrooks> :D compiled
[12:06] <runedude> roo_, what do I type then? :)
[12:06] <gilles> on my laptop i mean
[12:06] <tahorg> lunitik: <joke>yes but he's french</joke>
[12:06] <Dalkus> Where is synaptic in hoary?
[12:06] <tahorg> (btw I'm french too)
[12:06] <gilles> tahorg: what's the relation with being french ?
[12:06] <tahorg> gilles: t'ennerves pas
[12:06] <tahorg> gilles: c'etait une blague
[12:06] <tahorg> :)
[12:07] <gilles> tahorg: mais non je m'nerve pas, t'inquite pas pour a...
[12:07] <burgermann> lo
[12:07] <drspin> delire_: chmod +s worked quite nicely for snes9x -- the problem with not displaying is some sort of bug related to the stretching option -- if I don't turn on stretch it works just fine :)
[12:08] <delire_> drspin: very weird..
[12:08] <kbrooks> runedude, you just need to.........
[12:08] <burgermann> I've got a Synaptic question: How do I install packages I've downloaded? :S
[12:08] <kbrooks> well
[12:08] <drspin> delire_: indeed -- would've been nice to play SNES games at 1152x864 using 2x filtering :)
[12:09] <huffers> heh, everyone asks burgerman's question
[12:09] <Cheetahfoot> hey all: i want to install ubuntu for the first time, give it a try, but should i go with 4.10 or 5.04? i can't seem to find, on the Web site, what the differences are ...
[12:09] <delire> for sure
[12:09] <kbrooks> runedude, touch a file. ifup -av will tell you what you have to touch (man touch).
[12:09] <kbrooks> and you are ready to go
[12:09] <drspin> stable and preview release respectively
[12:09] <roo_> runedude, "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart"
[12:09] <runedude> ifup: interface lo already configured
[12:09] <runedude> ifup: interface eth0 already configured
[12:09] <runedude> :\
[12:09] <thotypous> hi
[12:09] <Dalkus> Where is synaptic in gnome's menu's in hoary...? Or what command can I run from the cli to run synaptic package manager?
[12:09] <Cheetahfoot> how unstable is the preview? and which includes the latest version of gnome?
[12:09] <drspin> 5.04 is the preview release for the next release of ubuntu -- Hoary
[12:10] <drspin> 5.04 include 2.10
[12:10] <Cheetahfoot> 4.10 does not?
[12:10] <drspin> it's not *that* unstable
[12:10] <kbrooks> runedude, what roo said
[12:10] <delire> Cheetahfoot: but being a preview release it's a little less polished
[12:10] <runedude> kbrooks, gotcha thanks
[12:10] <burgermann> If everyone asks how to install packages the answer should be registered in the ubuntu wiki?
[12:10] <Cheetahfoot> how tough is it to upgrade to hoary if i choose to install warthog first?
[12:10] <Cheetahfoot> later on, that is?
[12:10] <delire> Cheetahfoot: you can always install the 4.10 and then upgrade to the latest release at any time.
[12:10] <mebaran151> anyone
[12:10] <Dalkus> CheeseBall, depends on your luck
[12:10] <mebaran151> gimp print 5.0
[12:10] <kbrooks> Cheetahfoot, not tough
[12:11] <drspin> Cheetahfoot: pretty easy actually :)
[12:11] <delire> Cheetahfoot: it's fine, though come here for advice if you get stuck
[12:11] <georges> test
[12:11] <kbrooks> how long should the gnupg key be valid?
[12:11] <Cheetahfoot> all right. thanks!
[12:11] <kbrooks> im creating one
[12:12] <kbrooks> oh sod it
[12:12] <georges> hi, I try installing transcode on hoary... not there. and installing gtranscode says: depends on transcode
[12:12] <delire> kbrooks: i set mine for a year each
[12:12] <kbrooks> delire, k
[12:12] <delire> kbrooks: you can always --revoke is later
[12:12] <delire> s/is/it
[12:14] <rainer> Hi there!
[12:15] <rainer> I just installed ubuntu 5.04, a friend told me this distio rocks, and up t that point I'm quite satisfied
[12:15] <rainer> but I got one question
[12:16] <rainer> how do i get sound for xawtv and/or tvtime?
[12:16] <randabis> omg questions aren't allowed lolz
[12:16] <randabis> j/k
[12:16] <huffers> heh
[12:16] <mebaran151> Would anyone help me install Gimp-print 5.0 beta5.
[12:16] <randabis> I'm not familiar with those programs unfortunately rainer. :(
[12:16] <debubun> how can i write on nfts with ubuntu_
[12:16] <burgermann> :S
[12:16] <mebaran151> I tried from source and it failed
[12:16] <debubun> how can i write on nfts with ubuntu?
[12:16] <randabis> debubun: you can't by normal methods
[12:16] <mebaran151> anyone know a repo with that stuff
[12:17] <rainer> thats bad, so I guess it's just that I got to configure them to use esd
[12:17] <randabis> ntfs write support is experimental and not enabled in ubuntu...you'll need 3rd party software to write to ntfs
[12:17] <burgermann> Is Synaptic capable of installing downloaded packages at all? or is it just for upgrading the existing one and so?
[12:17] <debubun> like what sf
[12:18] <brainZzZ> you might be able to envision something like what it might be...but not really
[12:18] <kbrooks> debubun, ntfs is not open source
[12:18] <elshadii> I am having a terriable time trying to write a cd any help at all would be greately appreciated
[12:18] <kbrooks> burgermann, yes, and yes
[12:18] <kbrooks> er. last yes to no
[12:18] <burgermann> how odd, there's no "Add packages" button =(
[12:19] <randabis> burgermann: you use command line tools to install .debs you downloaded
[12:19] <randabis> or you can use kpackage
[12:19] <rainer> better said how can I turn esd off, or is there a mixer device whih esd uses?
[12:20] <delire> rainer: i'd turn esd off, it's only really necessary for gnome system sound
[12:20] <randabis> rainer: sudo killall esd will shutdown esd
[12:20] <burgermann> Arhh oki
[12:20] <fran> HI
[12:20] <randabis> rainer: if you want to start esd back up afterward, you can just type esd
[12:20] <Dalkus> How can I get to synaptic from hoary please? in gnome
[12:20] <delire> rainer: but to turn it off permanently i'd check out the gnome system settings
[12:21] <randabis> Dalkus: should be under System
[12:21] <fran> apt-get install synaptic
[12:21] <delire> Dalkus: from the command line with 'synaptic' or under System
[12:21] <Arnia> burgermann: Synaptic installs software quite nicely :)
[12:21] <Dalkus> That's strange
[12:21] <randabis> Dalkus: should be under System --> administration I believe
[12:21] <Dalkus> It uninstalled during dist-upgrade
[12:21] <rainer> delire: i did this and had a reboot
[12:21] <delire> hmm odd
[12:21] <Dalkus> Thanks
[12:22] <randabis> just reinstall it I suppose
[12:22] <bob2_> Dalkus: er, install ubuntu-desktop
[12:22] <rainer> so probably it isn't esd. I've read in the faq that someone had sound problems too with xine and such apps...
[12:22] <Dalkus> Christ, *that* shouldn't have been left off!
[12:23] <delire> rainer: try killall esd anyway
[12:23] <bob2_> Dalkus: if it's not installed, someone with root on your machine removed it
[12:23] <elshadii> exit
[12:23] <Dalkus> bob2, No, I just did dist-upgrade
[12:23] <Dalkus> It was probably that, since I'm the only user :)
[12:23] <rainer> i've tried it said no esd processes found
[12:24] <delire> and do the applications have sound now?
[12:24] <delire> rainer: how about sound generally, like playing a soundfile
[12:24] <burgermann> What I don't get is, you say that Synaptic installs packages nicely? but here I am in my sweet console trying to figure out apt-get and the install procedure
[12:24] <Dalkus> rainer, do 'ps aux | grep esd' what output does it give?
[12:25] <rainer> totem works great
[12:25] <burgermann> :P
[12:25] <Dalkus> burgermann, you should read up on apt-get first :P
[12:25] <Dalkus> sudo apt-get install <package
[12:25] <Arnia> burgermann: I'm curious... how are you there?
[12:25] <burgermann> yah.. reading up aint my strongets side
[12:25] <Dalkus> sudo apt-get remove package
[12:25] <Dalkus> those are obvious what they do :P
[12:25] <Dalkus> and to search for a package:
[12:25] <Dalkus> sudo apt-cache search package
[12:25] <burgermann> Arnia, hehe good question.. someone said something about install using the command-line..
[12:26] <Arnia> burgermann: You using Gnome?
[12:26] <delire> burgermann: 'apt-cache search <keyword>' retrieves output on a search based on a keyword. 'apt-cache show <package>' reveals a description of the package' and 'apt-get install <package>' installs said pacakge
[12:26] <burgermann> Arnia, ye =D
[12:26] <Arnia> System > Administration > Synaptic
[12:26] <Arnia> (from the top menu)
[12:26] <burgermann> delire, where do I type it?.. console? :] 
[12:27] <delire> burgermann: synaptic and kpackage are however very good GUI interfaces to apt.
[12:27] <rainer> rainer@cosmos:~$ ps aux | grep esd
[12:27] <rainer> rainer    8577  0.0  0.0   3344   760 pts/0    S+   00:26   0:00 grep esd
[12:27] <Arnia> Synaptic being more appropriate for Gnome
[12:27] <burgermann> Arnia, ay! then I've opened it then what? =D
[12:27] <delire> burgermann: yes in the console, you should place 'sudo' ("super user do") before the above commands
[12:28] <Arnia> Search for things you want to install by clicking 'search' (you can search by the short package 'name' or by name and the longer description)
[12:28] <DAC1138> is anyone here still on dialup?
[12:28] <Arnia> Select those packages to install by clicking on the square and 'marking' it for installation
[12:28] <i3dmaster> Is there any difference between Preview and RC that released yesterday?
[12:28] <Arnia> You can reload you package list by clicking 'reload'
[12:28] <alvaro> Thanks guys for the digital camera help!
[12:28] <Arnia> i3dmaster: Package upgrades... reload and mark upgrades and apply
[12:29] <Arnia> (from Synaptic)
[12:29] <burgermann> Arnia, it doesn't find it. I'm trying to install OpenOffice 2.0 Beta
[12:29] <Arnia> burgerman: Type open-office
[12:29] <Arnia> Short names are very short
[12:29] <Arnia> You'll pick up on the form
[12:29] <Arnia> Generally if you don't know what you're looking for, choose 'name and description' in the search by dropdown
[12:30] <rainer> in the meantime even totem doesn't work :-(
[12:30] <burgermann> still can't find it :/ does it look around my disc to find the package i've downloaded?
[12:31] <Arnia> burgermann: No... it will search the package index
[12:31] <Arnia> burgermann: Which is the index of stuff it can download
[12:31] <runedude> anyone have a good /etc/network/interfaces example for static IPs, not dchp :P
[12:31] <runedude> dhcp*
[12:31] <Arnia> burgermann: Search for openoffice by name and description
[12:31] <Bazzi> apt-get install openoffice.org2
[12:31] <burgermann> Arnia, did the search, but it only finds the old 1.1.3 openoffice :/
[12:32] <Bazzi> thats it :p
[12:32] <adobbie> runedude: iface eth0 inet static    address 192.168.0.2     netmask 255.255.255.0
[12:32] <runedude> do I need to set gateway?
[12:32] <adobbie> runedude: three lines like that.  also man interfaces
[12:32] <adobbie> runedude: probably not
[12:33] <runedude> ok
[12:33] <rainer> am I right totem needs esd to work?
[12:33] <Zeit|idle> Install-question: can I first boot installer from CD, stop/halt/pause/freeze the installation, copy the CD-content to a hd, remove the CD and continue installation from hd?
[12:34] <adobbie> rainer: I don't think so
[12:34] <DAC1138> can anyone recommend a good pcmcia 56k modem? i've found some xircm cards work in linux, and there's a few models im unsure about
[12:34] <burgermann> Bazzi, actually the tar file I downloaded contains 19 different packages 8 of which seems to be core packages :S
[12:35] <adobbie> rainer: totem works for me without esd running
[12:35] <Bazzi> burgermann just...let apt handle it..
[12:35] <rainer> so I started esd now and totem works
[12:35] <adobbie> rainer: depends on your config I guess, I use all alsa
[12:35] <rainer> yes for me too, but not without
[12:35] <georges> who had problems here running mplayer?
[12:36] <rainer> adobbie: which config can i do that in, so I got the default from installation
[12:36] <adobbie> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[12:36] <adobbie> those mplayer packages should work in hoary
[12:37] <burgermann> Bazzi, now it says that it cant find the package, i'm quite certian i gave the right path
[12:37] <delire> rainer: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:37] <georges> I can't play videos with "maplyer" but I can play them with "mplayer -ao esd"
[12:37] <Bazzi> burgermann you gave a path? why?
[12:37] <Arnia> burgermann: You don't need to manually download most things
[12:37] <delire> georges: is this in hoary?
[12:37] <burgermann> bazzi, it cant find the package :S
[12:38] <Arnia> burgermann: The Apt system will handle it for you
[12:38] <Arnia> burgermann: Synaptic is an Apt client
[12:38] <Bazzi> burgermann have you enabled the universe/multiverse repositories?
[12:38] <delire> burgermann: think of synaptic as as an Emule for your operating system
[12:38] <burgermann> Oh :P
[12:38] <georges> delire: yes
[12:38] <Arnia> burgermann: Go into Settings > Repositories
[12:38] <burgermann> no, haven't seen any universe/multiverse repositories :S
[12:38] <burgermann> oki
[12:38] <Arnia> (in Synaptic)
[12:39] <delire> georges: it's a total stuff up.. will be fixed soon i hope (for everyone's sake)
[12:39] <itay> hi!
[12:39] <itay> I have installed ubuntu few minutes ago!
[12:39] <Arnia> burgerman: Select the repository called "Ubuntu 5.04 Hoary Hedgeghog" and click the edit button
[12:39] <Bazzi> yeah the people here will help you, meanwhile I'll do $this->__sleep();
[12:40] <itay> I want to update my sources, what should I do?
[12:40] <delire> itay: congratulations!
[12:40] <itay> thanks
[12:40] <itay> I have only the cdrom source
[12:40] <Arnia> burgerman: In the sections field, add after main: restricted universe multiverse
[12:40] <georges> delire: I can't install at all transcode (not in repository)
[12:40] <itay> what should I add to /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:40] <Arnia> burgermann: Click ok and then ok again
[12:41] <Arnia> burgermann: It will ask you if you want to update your package lists. Say yes
[12:41] <Arnia> burgermann: Once its done updating, search for openoffice by name and description again
[12:42] <itay> and why I have 2 root password? I type "passwd" in root and set it, but then using the GUI, I need to use my user password. what is that? I want only one root pass.
[12:42] <Arnia> itay: You should use sudo
[12:42] <Arnia> itay: Rather than root
[12:42] <brainZzZ> you should use that reg i sent ya
[12:42] <rainer> I tried startind tvtime through the console now and it said: can't open device=/dev/mixer
[12:42] <burgermann> Arnia, thx.. :P
[12:42] <rainer> probably this got something to do with my problem?
[12:43] <itay> Arnia, sudo does complete the command with tab...
[12:43] <burgermann> Gezz... thats great =D
[12:43] <burgermann> thanx =D
[12:44] <TinyNote> hello
[12:44] <Arnia> itay: Its more secure though... its highly recommended. Almost all the system tools use sudo
[12:44] <Arnia> burgermann: no problem
[12:44] <Greg___> has anyone tried to setup the IMAP PHP extension within ubuntu?
[12:45] <itay> and sudo will always have the user pass?
[12:45] <TinyNote> Has anyone heard of Magportable laptops?
[12:45] <Arnia> itay: yes
[12:45] <itay> and what about the sources?
[12:45] <Greg___> or has anyone tried to make the c-client imap folder in ubuntu?
[12:46] <itay> I want an internet source, what should I do?
[12:46] <TinyNote> Any clue how I can get Ubuntu intalled on the TinyNote? Having problems with CDROM detection
[12:46] <cowbud> anyone know a way to dump a list to the command prompt of all the titles of windows currently open?
[12:46] <cowbud> in X
[12:46] <Arnia> itay: an 'internet source'
[12:46] <kbrooks_> strange
[12:46] <kbrooks_> im lagging like hell
[12:46] <itay> I have only one source, it is the cdrom, I want to install programs from the internet.
[12:47] <Arnia> itay: Use synaptic
[12:47] <Antar> http://www.antonblaga.com/screenshot.png  can someone tell me how to fix this?
[12:47] <Arnia> Settings > Repositories
[12:47] <itay> yes, but I don't have sources...
[12:47] <Arnia> Add a new repository
[12:47] <TinyNote> So who is the expert here?
[12:48] <burgermann> I think Ubuntu is much easier to install compared to Windows =D
[12:48] <Arnia> Choose 'Hoary Hedgehog' from the repository drop down and select all the components
[12:48] <Absenth> is there a way to remove esd, or prevent it from starting unless needed?  I think it's annoying for me to have to "killall esd" every time I boot.
[12:48] <Earthen> could some tell where i could find a good "how to" on how to setup internet sharing and web cashing
[12:48] <adobbie> burgermann: most people would fail installing Windows :)
[12:48] <georges> still noone here running transcode on hoary?
[12:48] <adobbie> Absenth: what happens if you dpkg --remove esd ?
[12:49] <Antar> http://www.antonblaga.com/screenshot.png  can someone tell me how to fix this?
[12:49] <burgermann> adobbie, ye what's needed is an option for as little interaction during the installation process as possible :P
[12:49] <drbombay43> yellow all, I just installed hoary and would like to what is the root password
[12:49] <adobbie> Antar: are you trying to play a video in an mp3 playing program?
[12:49] <Absenth> adobbie, "dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove esd which isn't installed."
[12:49] <TinyNote> Having problems with CDROM detection
[12:49] <Roey> itay:  shalom, ma nishma. My brother writes his with an I ("itai")
[12:50] <Antar> no i am trying to stream a radio station
[12:50] <itay> nehmad shemisheu medaber kan ivrit!
[12:50] <georges> drbombay43: there is no root pass, for security
[12:50] <Antar> you can make one though
[12:50] <Antar> sudo passwd root
[12:50] <TinyNote> Can anyone help me with an Ubuntu install?
[12:50] <georges> Antar: until now I have not needed it.
[12:51] <Antar> hmm
[12:51] <georges> Antar: I only know one issue where it's probably needed: swat
[12:51] <itay> I prefer to write it with "y", because the last letter is yud and not alef yud
[12:51] <georges> Antar: and perhapt cups web config
[12:51] <Arnia> TinyNote: What's the issue?
[12:51] <yifan> can't compile in Ubuntu but can do it in knoppix
[12:51] <drbombay43> Antar thank you
[12:51] <yifan> same sourcecode, anyone can help?
[12:52] <TinyNote> Cool thanx: I am trying to install Ubuntu on a MAG TinyNote Laptop with an external CDROM drive, but the drive is not detected
[12:52] <itay> thank you, I think I will stay with ubuntu as my desktop distro
[12:52] <adobbie> Antar: mplayer works :) you just have to type stuff
[12:52] <itay> It's very friendly
[12:52] <Arnia> Hmm... how far do you get?
[12:52] <itay> I just need to get used to sudo.....
[12:53] <Antar> mplayer huh?
[12:53] <Antar> i would need to install lthat
[12:53] <Arnia> Antar: What file format is being streamed?
[12:53] <Antar> "http://www.somafm.com/groovesalad.pls"
[12:53] <Antar> .pls?
[12:53] <TinyNote> I select lang., keyboard layout, ect. Then when detecting hardware, stops at 86% when trying to install CDROM drivers
[12:54] <TinyNote> something about: "NO Common CDROM ...."
[12:54] <Antar> how do i apt-get mplayer?
[12:54] <Antar> it says there is no package with that name
[12:54] <adobbie> Antar: totem will play that
[12:55] <Antar> ah yeah?
[12:55] <Antar> lets try
[12:55] <adobbie> Antar: if you call it music that is
[12:55] <Arnia> Antar: What repository sources are you grabbing?
[12:55] <Servo888> Modprobing nvidia yields this error: "nvidia: version magic '2.6.11.2-em8300 preempt PENTIUMII gcc-3.4' should be '2.6.11.2-em8300 preempt PENTIUMII gcc-3.3'" | I'm on 2.6.11.2 (my own build).
[12:55] <Absenth> antar I believe I had to install mplayer from source.  However I have a great howto for you :)
[12:55] <adobbie> Antar: use totem for now
[12:56] <Arnia> adobbie: If he doesn't know about repository components then he probably doesn't have mp3 installed...
[12:56] <Absenth> antar, http://www.oldskoolphreak.com/tfiles/hack/ubuntu.txt
[12:56] <adobbie> Servo888: trying to load a modules compiled with gcc-3.4 into a gcc-3.3 compiled kernel?
[12:56] <Arnia> No need to install from source... there is a deb
[12:57] <yifan> Hello, gcc shows many errors with no-error source ..anyone helps
[12:57] <Servo888> adobbie, I compiled the kernel on the same machine, I built the nvidia module; so it should still use the same gcc.
[12:57] <Antar> would the fact that i am using horay have anything to do with this error message?
[12:58] <adobbie> btw, esd is in esound package
[12:58] <Arnia> Antar: No... but the fact you don't have an mp3 decoder might :)
[12:58] <kbrooks> checking for GTK+ - version >= 2.0.0... no
[12:58] <kbrooks> *** Could not run GTK+ test program, checking why...
[12:58] <kbrooks> *** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the
[12:58] <kbrooks> *** exact error that occured. This usually means GTK+ is incorrectly installed.
[12:58] <kbrooks> configure: error: Cannot find GTK+ 2.0
[12:58] <Antar> ubuntu has no mp3 decoder?
[12:58] <Antar> thats uhm....A FACTOR
[12:58] <kbrooks> What package do I install to get GTK+
[12:58] <Antar> totem is not working either
[12:59] <lewwy> hey guys
[12:59] <Antar> :-\
[12:59] <kbrooks> Antar, legal reasons
[12:59] <Servo888> Antar, xmms...
[12:59] <adobbie> Arnia: doesn't Debian come with mp3 decoders?
[12:59] <Antar> yeah
[12:59] <Antar> i installed xmms
[12:59] <kbrooks> What package do I install to get GTK+
[12:59] <kbrooks> What package do I install to get GTK+
[12:59] <apokryphos> Antar: have you looked at the Restricted Formats article?
[12:59] <Antar> nope
[12:59] <kbrooks> adobbie, no... legal reasons
[12:59] <apokryphos> kbrooks: please don't flood the channel
[12:59] <lewwy> can a way to stitch images together using The Gimp?  I have some panaromic pictures
[12:59] <kbrooks> apokryphos, sorry
[12:59] <kbrooks> but i want it :/
[12:59] <Antar> so this is about mp3 encoding huh?
[01:00] <Antar> any quick way to fix this?
[01:00] <fusibou> Antar google marillat
[01:00] <Cimmerian> you need gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:00] <Servo888> Antar, read restricted formats article, or google for another feed.
[01:00] <Cimmerian> for mp3 support
[01:00] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell Antar uburestricted
[01:00] <Pyre> Antar: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:00] <kpeterson> hey does anyone here have experience setting up a mouse with many buttons?
[01:00] <Absenth> antar, also reading the Unofficial ubuntu guide will help answer a crapload of thigns.  in great detail.
[01:01] <Cimmerian> you can find it all on the webpages: http://www.ubuntulinux.org / http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[01:01] <Absenth> antar, I'm new to ubuntu, and found that document to be the best thing this side of sliced bread.
[01:01] <adobbie> kbrooks: Debian does have mp3 decoders beep-media-player Provides: mp3-decoder
[01:01] <Antar> ah ha!
[01:01] <adobbie> kbrooks: yes that's in main
[01:01] <Arnia> kbrooks: Install the dev packages for GTk
[01:01] <Antar> looking into the link
[01:01] <Antar> thank you
[01:01] <Absenth> you might also consider taking a look at that link I posted above....
[01:02] <Absenth> antar, http://www.oldskoolphreak.com/tfiles/hack/ubuntu.txt
[01:02] <DocUb> Nata?
[01:02] <DocUb> errr
[01:02] <DocUb> Anatr
[01:02] <DocUb> damnit
[01:02] <DocUb> ANTAR!
[01:02] <Arnia> Absenth: It won't help if he doesn't have a decoder :)
[01:02] <Antar> haha
[01:02] <Antar> YOOO
[01:02] <DocUb> lol
[01:02] <brainZzZ> [cognet]  <cptsulu> haha
[01:02] <Arnia> Absenth: He can get mplayer and a decoder from the appropriate repositories :)
[01:03] <Absenth> Arnia, That Document walks the ubernoob through the entire process.  Which would explain why "I" found it helpful.
[01:03] <Antar> whats up doc?
[01:03] <kbrooks> LOL
[01:04] <kbrooks> Antar, bugs bunny?
[01:05] <Quest-Master> Does anyone know how to disable this message from popping up when closing tabs with uncomplete forms with them in Epiphany?
[01:05] <DocUb> lol
[01:05] <Quest-Master> "There are unsubmitted changes to form elements"
[01:05] <DocUb> notta Antar, just watching a movie
[01:05] <cartel_> :)
[01:05] <DocUb> :-D
[01:05] <Antar> heh
[01:06] <bugsbunny> :P
[01:06] <DocUb> I see the room has finally gotten quiet
[01:06] <Quest-Master> "If you close the document anyway, you will lose that information"
[01:06] <hybrid_> does ubuntu come with and ftp client
[01:07] <apokryphos> hybrid_: yes, nautilus
[01:07] <hybrid_> where can i find it
[01:07] <apokryphos> gftp too, if that comes by default.
[01:07] <apokryphos> hybrid_: it's the default FIle Manager on gnome. :)
[01:07] <hybrid_> apokryphos i know but i mean how do i use it
[01:08] <osity> what does the apt-get update commnad do?
[01:08] <apokryphos> just ftp.site.com I imagine, but I've never tried it; hold on, I will now.
[01:08] <Antar> these faqs are for warty and i am use hoary
[01:08] <apokryphos> osity: download packages from the repositories
[01:08] <apokryphos> osity: see man apt-get
[01:08] <Antar> this is what a get for being bleeding edge
[01:09] <osity> which ones ...any available?
[01:09] <apokryphos> osity: try opening Synaptic
[01:09] <Antar> i have no idea what i am doing
[01:09] <Antar> i need to read more
[01:09] <minimumrage> i want clear my MBR. i cant get a dos fdisk to do fdisk /mbr .  how can i do this in ubuntu? i can do fdisk here too. different usage is confusing me. thanks
[01:09] <Antar> later guys i am going back to the LC channel
[01:10] <roo_> minimumrage, when u say "clear" what do you mean?
[01:10] <minimumrage> deleting grub
[01:10] <roo_> minimumrage, oh, no idea then. google?
[01:11] <minimumrage> tried it.. all i find is fdisk /mbr  but thats for the windowsxp recovery console
[01:11] <supernova> hi
[01:11] <minimumrage> i need to do it in ubuntu
[01:11] <apokryphos> hybrid_: do you have access to the Internet on the computer in question?
[01:11] <Quest-Master> God
[01:11] <Quest-Master> Epiphany is the slowest thing ever lately
[01:12] <minimumrage> yes
[01:12] <hybrid_> apokryphs yes i do
[01:12] <minimumrage> i have
[01:12] <apokryphos> hybrid_: I'm not sure of the syntax for ftp in Nautilus
[01:12] <minimumrage> i am on the pc now with a ubuntu live cd
[01:12] <apokryphos> hybrid_: ok, then if you want a gnome one: sudo apt-get install gftp
[01:12] <adobbie> apokryphos: ftp://someftpsite.com
[01:12] <hybrid_> apokryphs it is my website i need to upload to
[01:12] <supernova>  icant play any music or video format ! how can o that?
[01:12] <hybrid_> ok
[01:12] <hybrid_> thanx
[01:12] <burgermann> can KDE be installed easily? or does ubuntu not yet support it?
[01:13] <apokryphos> hybrid_: though, adobbie has helped us out here. So you can use Nautilus if you like
[01:13] <apokryphos> burgermann: very easily, yes.
[01:13] <zerokarmaleft> burgermann, see kubuntu
[01:13] <apokryphos> burgermann: and it does support it
[01:13] <hybrid_> ok
[01:13] <roo_> supernova, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:13] <apokryphos> adobbie: thanks :)
[01:13] <burgermann> zerokarmaleft, I look but I don't see.. hehe... where is kubuntu?
[01:13] <hybrid_> apokryphs how would i use nautilis to do so
[01:13] <typo> I'm getting bad GPG signatures on pt.archive.ubuntu.com and security.ubuntu.com. Why's this?
[01:13] <supernova> thanks
[01:14] <apokryphos> burgermann: join #kubuntu if you like. www.kubuntu.org
[01:14] <roo_> supernova, np
[01:14] <|QuaD-> hey, does the version of mono in hoary have system.webforms implemented?
[01:14] <burgermann> ohh that's SWEET! :P
[01:15] <apokryphos> :)
[01:15] <dazed|> alright i need some help i have a hoary pc and warty on the laptop now i can get the files on the pc to show up on the ubuntu network via smb but the files i want to share on the laptop dont show up on the network anywhere anyone have any ideas???
[01:15] <dazed|> i tried nsf... no success there either
[01:16] <typo> anyone know this?
[01:17] <adobbie> dazed|: NFS is faster than SMB
[01:17] <dazed|> adobbie: i cant get files to show up with NFS on either machine
[01:17] <adobbie> dazed|: you need nfs-kernel-server and man exports
[01:18] <dazed|> adobbie: did all that both machines
[01:18] <roo_> dazed|, if u wana try NFS see: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NFSServerHOWTOUbuntu
[01:18] <adobbie> add entry like /share compname(rw)
[01:18] <adobbie> dazed|: do you have hostnames in /etc/hosts on both computers?
[01:18] <dazed|> adobbie: i know
[01:18] <dazed|> it doesnt show up
[01:18] <dazed|> let me check
[01:18] <adobbie> dazed|: you have to use hostname not IP
[01:19] <osity> yo....what's that commnad to install ssh server again?
[01:19] <i3dmaster> anyway to tell /etc/inittab is from which package?
[01:19] <adobbie> i3dmaster: dpkg -S /etc/inittab
[01:19] <dazed|> adobbie goto #paste so i can show u my file and tell me if its right
[01:19] <i3dmaster> adobbie: I did. Nothing comes back
[01:20] <apokryphos> Arnia: Convert; you know you want to. ;-)
[01:20] <apokryphos> Arnia: we give out free tea and biscuits in #kubuntu
[01:20] <adobbie> i3dmaster: must be related to init
[01:20] <roo_> apokryphos, you meak bisKuits? ;)
[01:20] <mariano> hey people
[01:21] <mariano> anybody can give me a little help?
[01:21] <adobbie> i3dmaster: sysvinit related maybe
[01:21] <typo> does anyone know if the GPG signatures should be valid?
[01:21] <apokryphos> roo_: Bah, I mispelled it again didn't I. Thanks. ;-)
[01:21] <typo> does anyone else see this problem?
[01:21] <wwise> Howdy folks.  Do I need to download the iso for the new preview release or can I just upgrade through apt?
[01:21] <mariano> it's probably a very simple question
[01:21] <apokryphos> wwise: you can upgrade
[01:21] <apokryphos> wwise: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:22] <wwise> k, thx
[01:22] <i3dmaster> adobbie: ya seems to be that way. but why the inittab from sysvinit is under /usr/share
[01:22] <adobbie> i3dmaster: example file I suppose
[01:23] <i3dmaster> No difference from /etc/inittab
[01:23] <moominski> any got any good websites so that i can learn usefull commans??
[01:23] <i3dmaster> so maybe the installation process just copied that inittab to /etc dir I guess
[01:23] <moominski> cant even spell
[01:24] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell moominski rute
[01:24] <Pyre> moominski: http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz
[01:25] <i3dmaster> adobbie: Interesting thing is I have one box setup default runlevel to 2 and another one is 3. I did not mess up the inittab file at all, so guess that must be revised from the developers
[01:25] <moominski> thanks man sorry for repeating questions i just forget a lot
[01:26] <apokryphos> moominski: no worries. There's probably a better one as far as CLI goes; one sec, I'll try to track it down
[01:28] <jp_> hi all
[01:28] <skyrider> Hi all. I have a small question about mirroring ubuntu archive with rsync. I'd like to talk with someone of rsync admins of archive.ubuntu.com. Who can I talk with?
[01:31] <KingArthur> ok, I can anyone help me update my Ubuntu.  I'm finally online with it, but the problem I have is that I was not able to be online when I first installed everything when it asked me to download updates, and now I can't find out how to do the updates
[01:31] <mdz> skyrider: mirrors@canonical.com
[01:32] <mdz> KingArthur: system->configuration->synaptic->settings->repositories
[01:32] <garrut> KingArthur: run get update and after that apt-get upgrade
[01:32] <skyrider> mdz: ok. But I hoped to see someone in irc.
[01:32] <garrut> or what mdz says :)
[01:32] <apokryphos> moominski: I can't seem to find it unfortunatley, but a search on google brings some great results. i.e. http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html
[01:32] <black_nightmare> hey there
[01:33] <odo> archive,ubuntu.org went broken?
[01:33] <mdz> skyrider: he's asleep
[01:33] <black_nightmare> any of you know about the 'software updates' ?
[01:33] <Zeit|idle> start to hate either Ubuntu or my notebook.. not sure yet
[01:33] <brainZzZ> Zeit|idle, i may get a bottle of wine but im not sure yet
[01:33] <black_nightmare> the related question I wanted to ask was...
[01:33] <skyrider> mdz: can you give me his irc nick so I will talk with him tomorrow?
[01:34] <Jamminpotato> what is the command to delete a folder form terminal?
[01:34] <brainZzZ> so i will talk to you at a later time
[01:34] <black_nightmare> if a lib or so already works fine for my needs I don't have to bother updating it (and so save on both hd space and bandwidth) ?
[01:34] <apokryphos> Jamminpotato: check man rm
[01:34] <Jamminpotato> k
[01:34] <mdz> skyrider: is there some reason you don't want to send email?
[01:34] <black_nightmare> likewise...I'm not so sure I would want to keep updating to the latest-EVERYthing for a home system on 56K
[01:34] <black_nightmare> so... :p
[01:35] <cartel_> black_nightmare: you will want to update if a security fix comes out
[01:35] <mdz> skyrider: if you're going to set up an rsync mirror, we need contact information for you anyway
[01:35] <black_nightmare> cartel..even update python and the so?
[01:35] <black_nightmare> wb cartel
[01:36] <supernova> i cant find any package with apt-get install...help it pls
[01:36] <black_nightmare> cartel..do I even have to keep updating python/etc even although I'm like barely using that and that at all and its already stable?
[01:36] <Jamminpotato> apokryphos, i man'd it and used the -d modifierr but it syas it cant becuase its a directory
[01:37] <odo> ok. there is deffinately something wrong with archive.ubuntu.org...apt-get will download about 20kB or so and then connection just stops...and I've checked my connection
[01:37] <skyrider> mdz: not really. I just dont't know how to formulate my question in the right way so I thought that asking in irc would be easier for me.
[01:37] <apokryphos> Jamminpotato: you don't use d. You use -r, since you want to delete things recursively. Be careful with the command, however!
[01:37] <mdz> skyrider: you can ask me your question on IRC, and I'll pass it on via email, then?
[01:38] <skyrider> mdz: ok. privately :)
[01:38] <Jamminpotato> apokryphos,  thanks
[01:38] <black_nightmare> hm *waits*
[01:38] <i3dmaster> anyone knows how to unpack a deb package? I found that xfld-desktop_4.2.1.1-2_all.deb cannot really be installed
[01:39] <DarthFrog> i3dmaster: I think a deb file is just a shar archive.
[01:39] <brainZzZ> martha is just a way to appease the masses
[01:39] <i3dmaster> ok just found it. dpkg -x can extract a deb package...
[01:39] <adobbie> it's an ar archive
[01:40] <adobbie> if I remember right
[01:40] <i3dmaster> DarthFrog: btw, what is a shar archive?
[01:40] <DarthFrog> adobbie: Yeah, that's right.  I remember unpacking one manually a while back.
[01:40] <orko> how do u check to see what dependencies a package has? (dpkg ?)
[01:40] <adobbie> gzipped ar file
[01:40] <DarthFrog> i3dmaster: It's ar, not shar.  "man ar" for more info.
[01:41] <i3dmaster> DarthFrog: ok I see
[01:41] <adobbie> personally I think they should use bzip2 for compression
[01:41] <adobbie> but I guess you don't mess with something that works
[01:41] <DarthFrog> adobbie: Yeah, but bzip2 is a recent development.  Wasn't available probably, when the format was laid down.
[01:42] <Zeit|idle> shar is almost as old a sh..
[01:42] <Zeit|idle> ^^
[01:43] <black_nightmare> nevermind...probably going to not even bother with software updates unless something isn't working
[01:43] <DarthFrog> Hmm, the pope has been given last rites.
[01:44] <roo_> having some weird latex font issues: http://migrantroo.com/misc/latex_fonts.png
[01:44] <roo_> they looks all squashed and crappy. any ideas?
[01:44] <roo_> (they looked fine when the pdf was compiled in previous distro)
[01:46] <punjab12> hi
[01:47] <i3dmaster> DarthFrog: just tried, ar is able to extract deb package
[01:47] <DarthFrog> i3dmaster: Good stuff. Have fun. :-)
[01:47] <i3dmaster> so dpkg is actually using ar as background process to extract the package?
[01:49] <osity> ..what's that commnad to install ssh server again? apt-get install openssh  ????
[01:49] <Roey> openssh-server
[01:50] <kpeterson> does anyone here have experience setting up a mouse with many butons
[01:50] <adobbie> kpeterson: yes
[01:50] <adobbie> kpeterson: Logitech MX500/MX700?
[01:50] <dts> how can i make it so that 'ps' shows the actual command i typed and not just the program name
[01:51] <kpeterson> adobbie: yeah MX500 I think
[01:51] <kpeterson> adobbie 700 actually
[01:52] <adobbie> kpeterson: you need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:52] <kpeterson> adobbie k hold on
[01:52] <adobbie> join #flood
[01:52] <Adross> i just got a 19" lcd monitor. Yes, i know, i rock. But whenever i try to view one of my many legally obtained videos in full screen, i see all those randomly appear streaky lines
[01:52] <kpeterson> adobbie actually I was following this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ManyButtonsMouseHowto but its says something about modifying /etc/X11/Xsession.d/60imwheel_start-imwheel and I get lost
[01:52] <i3dmaster> This is very strange. I've already had the same version of xfld-desktop installed but apt is keeping saying that this package needs to be upgraded
[01:53] <i3dmaster> ii  xfld-desktop                        4.2.1.1-2                           The Xfld Desktop
[01:53] <i3dmaster> The following packages will be upgraded:
[01:53] <i3dmaster>   xfld-desktop
[01:53] <adobbie> kpeterson: I'm not sure you need imwheel
[01:53] <Adross> would anyone know how to remedy this?
[01:53] <i3dmaster> what's wrong with it?
[01:53] <adobbie> my forward/back works in Mozilla already without it
[01:53] <kpeterson> adobbie I was hoping to get it working with IM wheel since I have other plans for the buttons
[01:54] <adobbie> kpeterson: you have an ~/.imwheelrc ?
[01:54] <Adross> is upgrading to xorg relatively safe?
[01:54] <Quest-Master> Adross: Very much, yes
[01:54] <Adross> how does one do it?
[01:55] <Quest-Master> Adross: Check the Wiki
[01:55] <Adross> can't it be done through synaptic?
[01:55] <Quest-Master> Adross: Search for Upgrading to Hoary there
[01:55] <Quest-Master> Adross: Yes, you must upgrade to Hoary though as well
[01:55] <Adross> oh, is that all i have to do?
[01:56] <Quest-Master> Adross: Do a dist-upgrade, and then when it comes to a command line, simply sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[01:56] <Quest-Master> Adross: Check in the wiki.. it's explained very indepth
[01:56] <Adross> cheers, url?
[01:56] <Quest-Master> Adross: Right at http://www.ubuntulinux.org
[01:56] <Adross> thanks
[01:56] <Adross> cya
[01:56] <kpeterson> adobbie yeah
[01:57] <kpeterson> adobbie its just the part i mentioned that im confused about
[01:57] <adobbie> kpeterson: I think you just need to create the config and then run imwheel to get the features
[01:58] <kpeterson> adobbie
[01:58] <kpeterson> adobbie ok
[01:58] <kpeterson> thanks
[01:59] <adobbie> MX500 and MX700 might want to use Option          "Resolution"            "800"
[02:00] <adobbie> I was going to tell  kpeterson but he left
[02:01] <punkrockguy318> Is openoffice broken?  I'm getting segfaults when I run it
[02:01] <eazel7> I can't get flash working under hoary
[02:05] <punkrockguy318> I'm getting segfaults when I run openoffice.  Is there any way I can fix this?
[02:05] <osity> is there any point to have an internal file server connected to the net?
[02:05] <randabis> punkrockguy318: heh, I've always had problems with ubuntu's openoffice packages so I dunno man
[02:05] <black_nightmare> punkrock..sorry no idea....removed openoffice and used evolution instead here
[02:05] <adobbie> osity: to download package updates
[02:06] <punkrockguy318> hmm
[02:06] <hksdu> punkrockguy318: did you use apt-get to install OO or download the tar?
[02:06] <brainZzZ> when downloading a new driver for my ati raedon card, i see 2 different files to download, im not sure which is better, one inculed the catalyst control center, other does not
[02:06] <adobbie> osity: might not need 24/7 connection
[02:06] <punkrockguy318> hksdu, i'm using the one that was installed with ubuntu.. i'm running hoary btw
[02:06] <scm> is someone free to answer a quick via dcc chat?
[02:07] <hksdu> punkrockguy318: why don't you try downloading the tar and install there instead?
[02:07] <dayson> can someone tell me how to get the ati drivers installed? I cant get my video stuff setup
[02:07] <scm> it is a question about a rather old editor
[02:07] <scm> 'ed' in fact
[02:08] <dayson> where is everyone?
[02:08] <Pyre> I don't know dayson. They're not connected to IRC.
[02:09] <adobbie> dayson: my answer is: buy NVIDIA next time :)
[02:09] <dayson> man ATI needs some drivers cause I cant get this damn card working at all
[02:09] <dayson> but I dont have anymore money :(
[02:09] <adobbie> dayson: google instructions
[02:09] <adobbie> search for Ubuntu first then Debian
[02:10] <maddler> a good program to manage a DVD (video) collection...
[02:10] <maddler> :)
[02:10] <dayson> http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html
[02:10] <dayson> would that work guys?
[02:12] <PecK> Hello all............ Quick one, how do I change the character enconding in Hoary  default used was english US, want portuguese BR?
[02:14] <tannewt> Amaranth: you are working on a gnome 2.10 editor?
[02:14] <PacoBCN> I found out that placing my laptop above a silver tray helps not to over heat it...
[02:14] <pepina> PecK, maybe dpkg-reconfigure locales (??)
[02:14] <pepina> and choose the BR one
[02:15] <franco_on> looking for help pls, trying to install ubuntu from iso cd, at boot, type server, starts to do its thing, then i get a kernel panic, what should i do?
[02:15] <adobbie> PecK: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[02:15] <adobbie> make sure the locale you need gets generated
[02:16] <CarlK> Trying to install on a nvidia box, get:  WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!   linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 linux-image-386 nvidia-kernel-common
[02:16] <CarlK> and 3 more...
[02:16] <black_nightmare> stupid question but....
[02:16] <black_nightmare> any of you know if its ok to run low or out of free hd space with ubuntu?
[02:17] <black_nightmare> or does it have some reason for needing free space? (the swap partition is already seperate)
[02:17] <HrdwrBoB> black_nightmare: low is not important
[02:17] <HrdwrBoB> no free space will cause bad thigns to happen
[02:17] <HrdwrBoB> it's not the end of the world
[02:17] <adobbie> black_nightmare: running out of space is bad for anything with log files
[02:17] <HrdwrBoB> but things Won't Work Right
[02:17] <PecK> thx adobbie
[02:17] <adobbie> like syslog, chat clients, etc.
[02:17] <PecK> :D
[02:17] <black_nightmare> hmm well so I guess I could only have like 100-140MB of free hd space without a problem?
[02:18] <franco_on> i get a kernel painc, unable to sync, fail to init
[02:18] <dts> how do you start synaptic from the command line?
[02:18] <pepina> dts, just type syntaptic as root (??) , check to see if it's in your path,
[02:18] <PecK> sudo it
[02:18] <PecK> dts
[02:19] <Xira> What's the command to turn an rpm into a deb again?
[02:19] <PecK> adobbie, do I need to restart Xserv?
[02:19] <pepina> Xira, alien
[02:19] <black_nightmare> anyone mind answering my above question? :-)
[02:19] <Xira> syntax?
[02:19] <PecK> Xira alien help ?
[02:19] <PecK> :p
[02:19] <pepina> Xira, sudo alien foo.rpm
[02:20] <pepina> it will makle foo.deb :P
[02:20] <lynxx> black_nightmare you should be fine
[02:20] <black_nightmare> lynxx ty -- I kinda want download the kernel source to look at part of it just....for curiousity :p
[02:20] <lynxx> :P
[02:20] <black_nightmare> don't have much hd space right now but have enough to download it with some free space left for now
[02:20] <adobbie> PecK: you can try logging in again and setting your locale.  it should work
[02:20] <pepina> black_nightmare, that would be enough
[02:20] <black_nightmare> will have figure adding my slave hd in tomorrow if I can find one
[02:20] <PecK> thx adobbie
[02:20] <PecK> brb then :)
[02:21] <dts> well, I am writing a script and I want it to pull up synaptics to install one package in case it's not installed, I'd prefer to stick to gui and not use apt-get
[02:22] <ruffian> Hi, for alsamixer if i just turn the volume down all the way, does that mute it?
[02:22] <lynxx> black_nightmare im running this on my secondary HD which is only a 6 gig
[02:22] <CarlK> if you are writing a script, why would you want the gui?
[02:22] <apokryphos> ruffian: yes
[02:22] <dts> ruffian, not for me
[02:22] <brainZzZ> why would you want the host?
[02:22] <black_nightmare> lynxx.. don't laugh SERIOUSLY but.....
[02:22] <ruffian> dts: How do you mute it?
[02:22] <black_nightmare> main hd = 2.5gb seagate
[02:22] <pepina> dts, dunno if synaptic is scriptable , stick to apt-get ;)
[02:22] <black_nightmare> if I know where I put it.. slave would probably be 2.5gb quantum
[02:23] <CarlK> black_nightmare - I am installing to a 3g right now, and one of my laptops is only 700meg
[02:23] <lynxx> black_nightmare :O
[02:23] <adobbie> my harddrive for / is 60GB :)
[02:23] <hksdu> black_nightmare: should you consider using those vector linux or damn small linux distros?
[02:23] <adobbie> then I store my files on other harddrives
[02:23] <dts> pepina, it is, when i used time and date for the first time it automatically came up and installed the time sync software i was missing
[02:23] <black_nightmare> hksdu..umm... I dunno what these are sorry
[02:24] <apokryphos> ruffian: you can press M to mute it
[02:24] <black_nightmare> but I have quite a lot of apt-get 's here.. especially with updates and so on.
[02:24] <ruffian> apokryphos: Thank you.
[02:24] <CarlK> black_nightmare - do you know about the "server" install?
[02:24] <black_nightmare> carlk.....I was using cd installion with the network already hooked up anyhow ;)
[02:25] <black_nightmare> even opted to leave packages on cd's to cut off 700MB of space
[02:25] <CarlK> black_nightmare - sounds like "no
[02:25] <ruffian> apokryphos: Just one last question. Everytime i change the settings in alsamixer and reboot, it resets it
[02:25] <franco_on> Kernal panic: Attempted to kill init!
[02:25] <CarlK> black_nightmare - "server" = 290 meg install, no X, no apps, no nothing but what you need to apt-get stuff.
[02:26] <ruffian> apokryphos: How can i save it permanently?
[02:26] <franco_on> get mesg during install
[02:26] <apokryphos> ruffian: check out the man page for alsactl
[02:26] <CarlK> so then you can get just what you want, and have a few more bytes left over
[02:26] <ruffian> ok
[02:26] <apokryphos> ruffian: in theory, it should save automatically, but there's methods there for if it doesn't
[02:27] <ruffian> apokryphos: ok, Thank you
[02:27] <apokryphos> np
[02:27] <franco_on> hel pme anyone?
[02:29] <moominski> im trying to install an icon set, but im getting this: Checking for bzip2... found /usr/bin/bzip2
[02:29] <moominski> Checking for tar...  found /bin/tar
[02:29] <moominski> Checking for convert...  no.
[02:29] <DocUb> .
[02:29] <black_nightmare> moom try go to synaptic and search for 'convert' ...see if anything might turn up?
[02:29] <black_nightmare> just a quick thought
[02:29] <moominski> ok thanks
[02:30] <therockhr> hi ppl
[02:30] <therockhr> i just modified my user groups and now i am not in the sudo group anymore....how can i change that back because I cannot do anythng as root
[02:31] <chavo> moominski, converts is part of imagemagick package
[02:31] <dazed|> can anyone help me mounting NFS folders...it says connection refused when trying to mount but i can ping each system???
[02:31] <moominski> chavo: should i spt-get that package
[02:32] <tannewt> Amaranth?
[02:32] <chavo> moominski, yes
[02:32] <ruffian> Hi, does cat /proc/asound/modules give my card # or id?
[02:33] <moominski> ive just worked out that not all software comes on the cd lol
[02:33] <moominski> wot a newb
[02:33] <ruffian> lol
[02:34] <Flonne> ruffian, try /proc/asound/cards; they'll be listed in order.
[02:34] <billyoc> moominski: hey, well, now you know.  :)
[02:34] <ruffian> Flonne: Thank you :)
[02:34] <hybrid> hello all
[02:34] <moominski> billyoc yeah
[02:35] <therockhr> is there anyway i can get my main user back in the sudo group?...i cannot sudo or su -
[02:35] <CarlK> therockhr - Live CD
[02:36] <billyoc> therockhr: you want that user to be a member of the admin group.
[02:36] <billyoc> therockhr: how did it get removed from admin in the first place?
[02:37] <CarlK> doing an install, it is asing "kernel to install" and gives me 3 choices - linux-386, ...-image=386, ...-image-2.6.10...
[02:37] <therockhr> i didn't add it back when i was adding it to another group
[02:37] <synd> oh
[02:37] <dazed|> can anyone help me mounting NFS folders...it says connection refused when trying to mount but i can ping each system???
[02:37] <CarlK> what's the difference?
[02:37] <billyoc> therockhr: well, no matter, usermod -G admin thatpooruser
[02:37] <Xira> how do I remove a GNOME applications entry?
[02:38] <therockhr> billyoc: i can't do that because i cannot sudo
[02:38] <CarlK> dazed| - paste the line from /etc/exports for the export? you are trying to mount
[02:38] <NilsyNB> therockhr, as CarlK said, boot from a live cd and edit /etc/sudoers
[02:38] <dazed|> on which computer CarlK?
[02:38] <ruffian> brb
[02:39] <CarlK> dazed|.. the server
[02:39] <therockhr> alright thanks
[02:39] <moominski> yes i did i installed mt first icon set feels great too lol
[02:39] <dazed|> /home/dazed/Shared InitiaL-Laptop(rw,async)
[02:40] <CaT[tm] > is ubuntu only distributed in cd form?
[02:40] <hybrid> no
[02:40] <scottj> anyone have thinkpad t model? do you use the keyboard driver for thinkpad? is it in ubuntu?
[02:40] <CarlK> CaT[tm]  - what else is there?
[02:41] <hybrid> Cat[tm]  you can d/l it and there may be aa torrent out there
[02:41] <CaT[tm] > carl: a minimal install and an apt repository for one :)
[02:41] <tannewt> scottj, I have a t42 but I run gentoo on it
[02:41] <CarlK> hybrid - there are torrents
[02:41] <scottj> tannewt, are you using tkb?
[02:41] <CaT[tm] > hybrid: but a cd is what you get?
[02:41] <dazed|> carlk: /home/dazed/Shared InitiaL-Laptop(rw,async)
[02:41] <hybrid> CarlK prolly but they are not officail
[02:41] <tannewt> scottj: in X? no just kbd
[02:41] <CarlK> hybrid - they are
[02:42] <hybrid> CaT[tm]  oh yes
[02:42] <NilsyNB> CaT[tm] , there is a minimal install cd that gets the rest from the net
[02:42] <CaT[tm] > nilsy: selectively?
[02:42] <moominski> any1 no wy ive got 2 of each filein my home directory?
[02:42] <hybrid> CarlK there is official torrents?
[02:42] <hybrid> nice
[02:42] <CarlK> CaT[tm]  - also, this may interest you: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocalNetInstall
[02:43] <NilsyNB> cant remember, I just installed everything, bandwidth wasnt a problem nor harddisk space
[02:43] <dazed|> CarlK: any ideas?
[02:44] <CarlK> hybrid http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/current/hoary-install-i386.iso.torrent
[02:45] <CarlK> dazed| try changing InitiaL-Laptop to it's IP
[02:45] <kpeterson> does anyone have experience setting up imwheel?
[02:45] <scottj> how do I remap capslock to control and control to capslock?
[02:45] <zx64> Can one install ubuntu from the livecd?
[02:46] <dazed|> CarlK: ok ill try but i can ping Initial-Laptop when 'ping Initial-Laptop'
[02:46] <dazed|> CarlK: still gettin this: 'mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused'
[02:47] <CarlK> dazed|, um... plan b: /etc/init.d/portmap start
[02:47] <shizoor> Quick query - need to install kermit, but it aint in the package install list.  Is ubuntu caldera or slackware or ?
[02:48] <CarlK> and forgive my dumbness, but do that on both client and server cuz I am not sure which needs it
[02:48] <CarlK> shizoor - debian
[02:48] <shizoor> thanks
[02:48] <dazed|> CarlK: once started just give it another shot?
[02:48] <Marble2> Can someone please help me, I installed a new hard drive and I had to switch the drive order around and now Ubuntu won't boot up, I get /sbin/init 428: cannot open dev/console every time I boot up. Can someone please help?
[02:48] <dazed|> CarlK: still nothing :(
[02:48] <dts> whenever I leave my ssh session sitting arund for a while they eventually die, is there a way to enable some kind of keep aliv
[02:48] <dts> e
[02:49] <hybrid> when you apt-get update does it include betas and other bleeding edge versions?
[02:49] <CarlK> dazed| - also add no_root_squash to your /etc/exports (stuff)
[02:49] <CarlK> dazed| - here is mine: /ftp/dist/_stresslinux 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 (rw,no_root_squash,insecure)
[02:50] <dazed|> CarlK: just the norootsquash not insecure?
[02:50] <CarlK> hybrid - no, unless you enable them
[02:50] <CarlK> dazed| - my guess is you are not specifing a user on the mount command?
[02:50] <dazed|> CarlK: nope
[02:51] <hybrid> CarlK how do i get the bleeding edge releases
[02:51] <CarlK> then start with  norootsquash
[02:53] <dazed|> CarlK: still gettin the error...i think my computer hates me...also im sharing the same folders via smb and the PC folder shows up fine in the "network:///" but the laptop does not show up is it cuz laptop is hoary and pc is warty?
[02:53] <hybrid>  how do i get the bleeding edge releases with apt-get update
[02:53] <dazed|> CarlK: still gettin the error...i think my computer hates me...also im sharing the same folders via smb and the PC folder shows up fine in the "network:///" but the laptop does not show up is it cuz laptop is hoary and pc is warty?
[02:54] <chavo> CaT[tm] , you can do a server install, but you still need to download the whole iso.
[02:54] <CarlK> dazed| - na, I nfs between all sorts of linuxes
[02:54] <CaT[tm] > chavo: doh. :/
[02:55] <dazed|> i wish i could get this silly nfs to work
[02:55] <dazed|> its angering me
[02:55] <CarlK> someone - synaptic package manager, Settings, repositories, - that is you get cutting edge stuff
[02:55] <hybrid> ok
[02:58] <Marble2> Can someone please help me, I installed a new hard drive and I had to switch the drive order around and now Ubuntu won't boot up, I get /sbin/init 428: cannot open dev/console every time I boot up.
[02:58] <osity> i used the apt-get install openssh-server command and still can't ssh in ,,any idea why not?
[02:58] <fissy> Marble2, why did you have to switch the drive order around?
[02:58] <CarlK> Marble2 - best to just switch your drives back
[02:59] <Marble2> I don't remember exactly what they were like before, and I want to be able to use my new drive
[02:59] <fissy> are they both on one ide cable?
[02:59] <Marble2> I couldn't fit my 3 drives and one optical drive on my 2 IDE cables without switching them around in my case
[02:59] <Marble2> which ment switching which was on which cable
[02:59] <Marble2> *meant
[03:00] <fissy> could you move the boot drive in the case so you can put it on the end of the first ide cable?
[03:00] <dazed|> CarlK: any other idea
[03:00] <dazed|> s
[03:00] <Marble2> fissy, right now the boot drive is hda
[03:00] <CarlK> dazed| - did you turn on portmap?
[03:00] <dazed|> yes
[03:00] <CarlK> hmm
[03:00] <Marble2> and it is on the end
[03:01] <Marble2> I also can't boot to windows, so I think it's something to do with my lilo.conf
[03:01] <CarlK> dazed|  have you found anyting in /var/log/syslog messages and whatever else might be usefull? ;)
[03:01] <dazed|> yes i know highly mindboggling
[03:01] <Marble2> although not being able to boot to windows happened after I started trying to fix this
[03:01] <dazed|> carlk: let me take a look what should i be looking for?
[03:01] <CarlK> oh wait!
[03:01] <fissy> Marble2, have you set the slave drives up as slaves using the jumpers?
[03:02] <Marble2> no
[03:02] <Marble2> I'm using cselect
[03:02] <Marble2> the drive with my linux partition is a master though
[03:02] <CarlK> dazed| - /etc/hosts.deny /etc/hosts.allow
[03:02] <fissy> no idea what cselect is
[03:02] <fissy> oh cable select
[03:02] <dazed|> carlK: i found something of interest that i think might be the cause
[03:02] <dazed|> CarlK: just type those in command line?
[03:02] <CarlK> I tink you need to allow the connection
[03:02] <Marble2> yea
[03:03] <CarlK> dazed| - no, they are text files
[03:03] <fissy> are the ubuntu and windows partitions on the same disk?
[03:03] <CarlK> dazed| - somene needs to make a check list for all the things that you need to do ;)
[03:03] <Marble2> no they are not
[03:03] <dazed|> lol
[03:04] <CarlK> dazed| - I can alywas get it working, but sometimes it takes me forever
[03:04] <dazed|> CarlK: theres just a bunch of #'d out lines in each of these what should i add?
[03:04] <moominski> how do i move a file to a different directory
[03:04] <ruffian> Is there anyway to make the icons on the desktop fixed? So even if i do 'Clean up by name' it doesn't move?
[03:04] <ruffian> moominski: mv file destination
[03:05] <deang> is it possible to map  cooandKey+D to minimize/maximize all?
[03:05] <deang> er, min/restore
[03:05] <dazed|> CarlK: also this is the syslog returned if you notice at the end it says connecting to localhost is that correct : "Mar 31 18:59:26 localhost kernel: nfsd: unexporting all filesystems
[03:05] <dazed|> Mar 31 18:59:43 localhost rpc.mountd: Caught signal 15, un-registering and exiting.
[03:05] <dazed|> "
[03:05] <fissy> Marble2, I don't really know what to suggest, there are so many permuations. perhaps try unplugging all the drives but the ubuntu boot disk, and see if it still works on its own. I'd try setting the right drives to be slaves as you plug them in
[03:05] <geppy|zZzZ> Anyone build Luminosity on Ubuntu?
[03:05] <CarlK> dazed| - that looks like a problem
[03:06] <Marble2> But why wouldn't my Windows be able to boot up?
[03:06] <dazed|> it should be connecting to the host i tell it to not the localhost correct?
[03:06] <Marble2> I think I messed something up with lilo while I was trying to fix my linux install
[03:06] <dazed|> CarlK: ^
[03:06] <CarlK> dazed| - was that message on the client or server?
[03:07] <dazed|> i think its the server im not sure which one i set up to be which lol
[03:07] <fissy> are you sure you have the right sort of cable to be using cable select Marble2 ?
[03:07] <Marble2> yea
[03:07] <Marble2> it all worked fine before I rearranged the drive order
[03:07] <dazed|> CarlK: is the server the one i add to /etc/hosts
[03:07] <zerokarmaleft> oh man, gimpshop needs to go in universe
[03:08] <CarlK> dazed| - yes
[03:08] <dazed|> CarlK: cuz i added both computers to hosts
[03:08] <CarlK> dazed| , er the server is the side you need to edit hotss.allow
[03:08] <fissy> Marble2, i'm sure it will start working if you specifically make the ubuntu disk and windows disk both masters
[03:08] <fissy> Marble2, explicitly
[03:08] <dazed|> CarlK: ok im editing that now what should i add to hosts.allow?
[03:09] <thierry_> each time I open a game I get this :
[03:09] <thierry_> ALWAYS:audio:audio.c:23:About to initialize audio driver...
[03:09] <thierry_> open /dev/[sound/] dsp: Device or resource busy
[03:09] <thierry_> this happens with chromium and all other games I tried
[03:09] <thierry_> could anyone help me?
[03:10] <^thehatsrule^> restart esd?
[03:11] <moominski> how do i access xmms skin folder
[03:11] <^thehatsrule^> cd blahblah
[03:11] <CarlK> dazed| - /etc/hosts.allow;
[03:11] <CarlK> nfs nfsd : ALL@ALL : ALLOW
[03:12] <CarlK> dazed| - that isn't perfet, but it works )
[03:12] <dazed|> CarlK: i narrowed it down to a new error: "mount: RPC: Remote system error - No route to host"
[03:12] <CarlK> dazed| - i think you should use IP's untill you get it working
[03:12] <moominski> ^thehatsrule^ yeah i dont no the blahblah bit?
[03:13] <^thehatsrule^> use locate or find
[03:13] <Marble2> fissy, ok, I'll try it
[03:13] <CarlK> dazed| - hey look , I made notes for stting up a knoppix box: http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/phpwiki/index.php?edit=KnoppixNFSserver
[03:13] <CarlK> you will need to hit "edit
[03:13] <dazed|> CarlK: i added that to hosts.allow then i tried mounting via ip and i got the old error: "mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused"
[03:13] <CarlK>  else it looks like crap
[03:14] <knucks> I need help installin the new limewire
[03:14] <thierry_> could anyone help me?
[03:15] <CarlK> I need help installing daily ubuntu on an nvidia box - any devs in here want to help debug this?
[03:16] <^thehatsrule^> daily ubuntu?
[03:17] <zenwhen> ^thehatsrule^, he means the daily image
[03:17] <knucks> whats this mean: "must be setuid root" ?
[03:17] <CarlK> correct
[03:18] <dazed|> CarlK: will you join me in #paste im going to show u my /var/sys/syslog see what u can determine from it?
[03:20] <s0undt3ch> hello ppl
[03:22] <s0undt3ch> this weekend I'm going to change my server's OS from FC3 to Ubuntu.... Can anyone give me an Idea how would be best partitioned two 40Gigs HD? It will be a firewall/router/gateway/proxy/Webserver/MailServer....
[03:23] <CarlK> s0undt3ch - put one in a 2nd box that is behind the firewwall ;)
[03:24] <s0undt3ch> the basic idea I'm after is how much for each partitions...
[03:24] <s0undt3ch> ;)
[03:24] <knucks> I cant launch Synaptic!
[03:24] <knucks> HELP
[03:24] <s0undt3ch> One might also be for aMule's files
[03:24] <CaT[tm] > knu: do you have a trebuchet?
[03:24] <s0undt3ch> running everyday long on the server...
[03:25] <ells> is the new release version of hoary any different than what we have been using, anyone know
[03:25] <CarlK> ells, if you have been using a Mac, then yes.
[03:25] <DocUb> KNucks: type sudo synaptic
[03:25] <DocUb> in your shell
[03:25] <brainZzZ> i have been using mederma
[03:25] <ells> CarlK, ,naw,  pc
[03:25] <knucks> knucks@Igor:~ $ sudo synaptic
[03:25] <knucks> sudo: must be setuid root
[03:25] <DocUb> and it'll ask for a password, enter it, and it'll load
[03:25] <brainZzZ> css starts automatically when i boot my pc
[03:26] <ells> CarlK, I have been using Hoary for about a month
[03:26] <DocUb> do you have root setup as the main user?
[03:26] <knucks> DocUb: I should
[03:26] <pill> hi, anyone know how to find install all those headers...xos.h, xlib,h
[03:26] <DocUb> ok do this...
[03:26] <knucks> i dont know why it stopped working
[03:26] <s0undt3ch> come on how do you ppl divide your sevrers HD....
[03:26] <knucks> it was fine before..
[03:26] <DocUb> goto System > Administration > Users and Groups
[03:26] <hybrid> does anyone know of a document on the next version
[03:26] <deang> s0undt3ch: qtParted?
[03:26] <knucks> cant get in
[03:26] <hybrid> bendy i believe is the name
[03:26] <knucks> "Failed to run users-admin as user root: Child terminated with 1 status
[03:26] <CarlK> s0undt3ch - It depends on what day of the week it is, and I don'thave a Thursday answer
[03:26] <deang> hybrid: search the wiki?
[03:26] <DocUb> do you have a password set?
[03:27] <s0undt3ch> deang: thats the tool! k I didnt make myself clear...
[03:27] <knucks> I thought i did
[03:27] <DocUb> hmm
[03:27] <pill> does any one use Ubuntu for development env.
[03:27] <s0undt3ch> deang: how much for each partition
[03:27] <LinuxJones> knucks, your in the account that installed Ubuntu or an account created afterwards ?
[03:27] <s0undt3ch> what should be my considerations...
[03:27] <oXeN> pill: what type of dev?
[03:27] <oXeN> i do web programming on it
[03:28] <knucks> LinuxJones: account that installed Ubuntu
[03:28] <s0undt3ch> yeah, a subversion server also...
[03:28] <deang> sound: Sorry, I don't know.
[03:28] <knucks> the last thing I did was chmod /usr/bin as 777 :/
[03:28] <pill> how about c
[03:28] <knucks> did that screw it up?
[03:28] <DocUb> shouldn't have
[03:28] <oXeN> i dont code C but I am sure it would be plenty sufficient
[03:28] <pill> I just can't find some headers under X11/ to compile some program
[03:28] <deang> pill: What would be better for C development?
[03:28] <oXeN> ahh I think he needs help compiling something
[03:29] <deang> pill: did you dig through synaptics?
[03:29] <pill> deang: i am having problem with compiling
[03:29] <eyequeue> knucks:  you want strangers being able to overwrite apps you may run including as root?
[03:29] <knucks> eyequeue: no..
[03:29] <pill> yes, I couldn't find which package to install to get some X11 headers
[03:29] <billyoc> 777 for /usr/bin!
[03:29] <knucks> i couldnt transfer some folders i need to...
[03:29] <eyequeue> knucks:  if not, 755 or 775 then
[03:29] <knucks> ..so i did it cuz its easier for me to drag and drop
[03:29] <crimsun> pill: libx11-dev in Hoary, xlibs-dev in Warty
[03:30] <knucks> knucks@Igor:~ $ sudo chmod -R 755 /usr
[03:30] <knucks> sudo: must be setuid root
[03:30] <knucks> cant do anything sudo now
[03:30] <DocUb> hmm
[03:30] <pill> thanks, crimsun
[03:31] <eyequeue> knucks:  -rwsr-xr-x  2 root root 95512 2005-03-02 21:10 /usr/bin/sudo
[03:31] <pill> I will check it out
[03:31] <eyequeue> knucks:  ls -l /usr/bin/sudo
[03:31] <knucks> bash: -rwsr-xr-x: command not found
[03:31] <knucks> knucks@Igor:~ $ ls -l /usr/bin/sudo
[03:31] <knucks> -rwxrwxrwx  2 root root 95512 2005-03-02 16:10 /usr/bin/sudo
[03:31] <pill> crimsun I have installed every xlib* things already
[03:31] <eyequeue> knucks:  there's how you broke your box
[03:32] <knucks> hows that
[03:32] <eyequeue> knucks:  you dind't just say chmod 777 /usr/bin, did you?  you said chmod -R 777 /usr/bin, right?
[03:32] <knucks> ^yeah
[03:32] <eyequeue> knucks:  there's how you broke your box
[03:32] <knucks> how do i fix it then? :(
[03:32] <CaT[tm] > owie
[03:33] <pill> probably I should apt-get it
[03:33] <CaT[tm] > knucks: first step chmod g-w,o-w /usr/bin -R
[03:33] <eyequeue> CaT[tm] :  he can't, he has no sudo
[03:33] <CaT[tm] > knucks: then ask someone else for a listing of theirs and compare what you can. then ask about the files you can't compare
[03:33] <CaT[tm] > eye: no root passwd?
[03:33] <knucks> no eyequeue..that worked..
[03:34] <knucks> actually
[03:34] <knucks> no it didnt
[03:34] <eyequeue> right
[03:34] <CaT[tm] > knucks: can you su?
[03:34] <knucks> yeah
[03:34] <eyequeue> knucks:  you have a strong linux background?
[03:34] <knucks> not at all
[03:34] <CaT[tm] > knucks: su -
[03:34] <CaT[tm] > knucks: and go root.
[03:34] <eyequeue> knucks:  reinstall will be easiest then
[03:35] <knucks> eyequeue: no..
[03:35] <knucks> ive installed way too much on here
[03:35] <knucks> CaT..ok im root
[03:35] <eyequeue> knucks:  the alternative is to mount that partion from a rescue disk and change things manually
[03:35] <CaT[tm] > knucks: do the above chmod
[03:35] <eyequeue> knucks:  but you won't know what to change
[03:35] <billyoc> knucks: if you don't have a lot of customizations, it might be easier to reinstall.
[03:35] <ili> does anyone have time to help me with a quick (hopefully) xorg ati question?
[03:35] <knucks> billyoc: i have a lot
[03:35] <knucks> CaT[tm] : chmod g-w,o-w /usr/bin -R ?
[03:35] <CaT[tm] > knucks: yup
[03:36] <knucks> root@Igor:/home/knucks # chmod g-w,o-w /usr/bin -R
[03:36] <knucks> root@Igor:/home/knucks #
[03:36] <CaT[tm] > knucks: cool
[03:36] <CaT[tm] > knucks: that secures it at least :)
[03:36] <eyequeue> unless he did something -R elsewhere
[03:36] <CaT[tm] > true :)
[03:36] <knucks> ok..now what? :/
[03:37] <CaT[tm] > knucks: there's two things you can do:
[03:37] <eyequeue> knucks:  btw, for future reference, /usr/bin should be off limits in a pacakge managed distro, only touch /uysr/local/bin
[03:37] <knucks> ^k
[03:37] <CaT[tm] > knucks: 1. ask people here to send you an ls -laR dump of their /usr/bin and compare
[03:37] <CaT[tm] > knucks: 2. apt-get --reinstall install game time :)
[03:37] <eyequeue> CaT[tm] :  if they have identical pacakges isntalled, perhaps
[03:37] <knucks> hm so what are the consequences of option 2
[03:37] <Marble2> fissy, it didn't work
[03:38] <CaT[tm] > eye: yes
[03:38] <meng> is there a way to allow gain-vv and the regular gaim to co-exist?
[03:38] <eyequeue> knucks:  you will be reinstalling every single pacakge on your box manually with option two.  reinstalling would be much faster
[03:39] <knucks> ive done way too much customization on here..
[03:39] <knucks> not to mention i had to rerip and redownload all my music
[03:39] <CaT[tm] > knucks: if ubuntu is as good as it's said it is, the consequence will be nothing dire. you'll just reinstalle verything. config files should be preserved
[03:39] <CaT[tm] > knucks: but on the absolute save side, do a backup of /etc with tar
[03:39] <knucks> how do i do that?
[03:40] <CaT[tm] > knucks: tar -cvf /path/to/save/spot/etc-backup.tar /etc
[03:40] <CaT[tm] > s/save/safe/ ;)
[03:40] <Marble2> Can someone help me? I installed a new hard drive, rearranged my disks, and now I can't boot to windows or linux, I get "NTLDR is missing" when booting to windows and "/sbin/init 248: cannot open dev/console" when booting to linux. Please help me get back on ubuntu. :(
[03:40] <Flonne> ~/etc-backup.tar is a sane location, knucks.
[03:40] <eyequeue> CaT[tm] :  remember, this guy has not background, he did the breakage to "drag and drop" so he won't have the skills to repair that you might
[03:40] <CaT[tm] > eye: doesn't mean that his mind is read-only :)
[03:41] <chavo> if you add p, tar cvfp - it will preserve file permissions
[03:41] <robertj> Marble: my guess is that the bootloader wasn't on the drive that's now your primary drive
[03:41] <eyequeue> CaT[tm] :  yeah, but he's got a lot of man pages out there heh
[03:41] <CaT[tm] > eye: this is a good excercise to learn from.
[03:41] <Marble2> what is my primary drive?
[03:41] <moominski> where is the xmms skin directory
[03:41] <knucks> tar -cvf /home/knucks/etc-backup.tar /etc
[03:41] <robertj> Marble: the one that gets booted by default
[03:41] <knucks> would that do it?
[03:41] <CaT[tm] > knucks: yup.
[03:41] <robertj> it will only try to boot off the first hard drive
[03:41] <Marble2> Well I have lilo setup to just give me a list of options
[03:41] <randabis> Marble2: you can't just randomly rearrange disks like that lol
[03:41] <CaT[tm] > eye: gotta start somewhere. :)
[03:41] <knucks> and what do i do after that?
[03:41] <Marble2> yea, i see that now
[03:42] <Marble2> I thought I could
[03:42] <Marble2> :(
[03:42] <Flonne> Wow. Pressing the power button does init 0.
[03:42] <knucks> u said something about save/save?
[03:42] <robertj> Marble: do you get LILO at all?
[03:42] <Marble2> yes
[03:42] <Marble2> I get all my options
[03:42] <CaT[tm] > knucks: this is the fun bit.
[03:42] <eyequeue> CaT[tm] :  man tar? :)
[03:42] <Marble2> but booting to Windows and Linux error out
[03:42] <CaT[tm] > knucks: dpkg --get-selections
[03:42] <thierry_> open /dev/[sound/] dsp: Device or resource busy
[03:42] <CaT[tm] > knucks: that'll give you a list of things you have installed.
[03:42] <robertj> Ok, well my guess is that where Ubuntu used to be, there is now a Windows partition and probably vice versa
[03:42] <thierry_> could any help me?
[03:42] <randabis> Marble2: you're going to have to reconfigure lilo
[03:42] <knucks> hold on im savin right now
[03:42] <robertj> Do you have a live cd handy:
[03:42] <Marble2> but, I think I broke windows booting while trying to fix linux, because windows problem just started. linux had been happening since I messed with the disks
[03:42] <Marble2> know what I mean?
[03:43] <Marble2> I'm on a live cd atm
[03:43] <randabis> the question is though...why are you using lilo...it sucks :p
[03:43] <robertj> Marble: yeah, I'd try installing grub
[03:43] <knucks> ok..
[03:43] <knucks> dpkg --get-selections
[03:43] <Marble2> I tried updating fstab and lilo.conf
[03:43] <knucks> did that
[03:43] <robertj> but its going to be nasty
[03:43] <knucks> now what
[03:43] <Marble2> uh, i tried that, it won't work from a live cd chrooted in
[03:43] <CaT[tm] > knucks: try this and see if you're lucky :)
[03:43] <robertj> you probably need to boot the windows disk in repair mode nad use some commands to redo the windows mbr
[03:43] <Marble2> it just dumps tons of errors
[03:43] <CaT[tm] > knucks: apt-get --reinstall install `dpkg --get-selections | cut -f 1`
[03:43] <Flonne> Marble2, what was your install command?
[03:43] <Marble2> apt-get install grub
[03:43] <i0n_st0rm> i've got a little sound trouble issue.. found a forums post similar to my problem, but thought a bit more hands on advice may be of help
[03:43] <robertj> Marble2: you need to mount -o bind /dev /mnt/mypartition/dev
[03:44] <Marble2> okay let me try it
[03:44] <knucks> knucks@Igor:~ $  apt-get --reinstall install `dpkg --get-selections | cut -f 1`
[03:44] <knucks> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[03:44] <knucks> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[03:44] <eyequeue> lol
[03:44] <knucks> and when i try to use sudo, i get the setuid root error
[03:44] <Amaranth> sudo
[03:44] <CaT[tm] > knucks: as root :)
[03:44] <oXeN> how do I change the splash and login screens?
[03:44] <CaT[tm] > knucks: su -
[03:44] <oXeN> with ubuntu/gnome
[03:44] <eyequeue> Amaranth:  he broke his sudo with a chmod -R 777 /usr/bin
[03:45] <Flonne> robertj, marble, you should also cp /proc/mounts to /mnt/mypartition/etc/mtab.
[03:45] <CaT[tm] > knucks: I bet sudo is in /usr/bin and you nuked the permissions to make it work
[03:45] <robertj> Flonne: does grub check that?
[03:45] <DocUb> that would suck
[03:45] <Amaranth> and you can't chmod anymore either?
[03:45] <knucks> E: Broken packages
[03:45] <eyequeue> CaT[tm] :  <knucks> -rwxrwxrwx  2 root root 95512 2005-03-02 16:10 /usr/bin/sudo
[03:45] <Flonne> robertj, yes, it uses that as a fallback for locating /boot/ under certain circumstances. It's a safe precaution.
[03:45] <knucks> I got a lot of "cannot be downloaded" errors
[03:45] <Marble2> hm robertj, look at this
[03:45] <Marble2> root@ttyp1[knoppix] # mount -o bind /dev/hda4 /mnt/hda4/dev
[03:45] <Marble2> mount: Not a directory
[03:45] <Marble2> root@ttyp1[knoppix] # ls /mnt/hda4/
[03:45] <Marble2> dev
[03:45] <Marble2> wth?
[03:45] <CaT[tm] > eye: su is your friend :)
[03:46] <robertj> Marble: no
[03:46] <robertj> mount /dev/hda4 /mnt/mydrive
[03:46] <Marble2> ?
[03:46] <Marble2> oh
[03:46] <i0n_st0rm> might there be anyone about that could give me a small hand with a sound issue when they have a moment? I promise to make it as short and painless as possible :)
[03:46] <CaT[tm] > knucks: that box have either the cd or net access atm?
[03:46] <Flonne> Marble2, /dev/hda4 is a block device. -o bind expects a directory.
[03:46] <robertj> then mount -o bind /dev /mnt/mydrive/dev
[03:46] <knucks> CaT: the box im triyng to fix is this here one
[03:47] <CaT[tm] > knucks: ah. hmmm
[03:47] <Marble2> robertj, is that chrooted or no?
[03:47] <mebaran151> hmmm
[03:47] <Flonne> Marble2, no.
[03:47] <Marble2> ok done
[03:47] <mebaran151> Anyone know when Gimp print 5.0 is going to be comitted
[03:47] <Marble2> now what
[03:47] <mebaran151> I would like to use it
[03:47] <CaT[tm] > knucks: ok
[03:47] <mebaran151> as my Epson R800 is only supported in this new pkg
[03:47] <eyequeue> mebaran151:  how does it differ?
[03:47] <CaT[tm] > knucks: dpkg --get-selections | cut -f 1 >~/moo
[03:47] <robertj> Marble: before the chroot
[03:47] <mebaran151> eyequeue, it supports the Epson R800
[03:47] <Marble2> ok, I did that
[03:47] <Flonne> Marble2, now you chroot in, but wait for robertj to confirm it.
[03:47] <eyequeue> mebaran151:  k
[03:47] <knucks> CaT: ok
[03:47] <CaT[tm] > knucks: apt-get --reinstall install `dpkg --get-selections | cut -f 1`
[03:48] <codyman> what apt-get package installs glib
[03:48] <mebaran151> (my printere :) )
[03:48] <Marble2> to /mnt/hda4 or /mnt/hda4/dev
[03:48] <knucks> still get the broken packages error
[03:48] <CaT[tm] > knucks: then make a list of those packages that cannot be downloaded and open up moo in an editor and remove them from the list
[03:48] <CaT[tm] > knucks: then apt-get --reinstall install `cat ~/moo`
[03:48] <Flonne> Marble2, /mnt/mypartition/
[03:48] <knucks> moo?
[03:48] <Marble2> okay done
[03:48] <Marble2> now what
[03:48] <robertj> Marble: once you have bound /dev to /mnt/foo/dev then chroot to /mnt/foo
[03:49] <Marble2> okay, I did that. Now what
[03:49] <robertj> sudo apt-get install grub
[03:49] <Flonne> robertj, I'll let you take over again so we avoid confusion.
[03:49] <robertj> Flonne: ok
[03:50] <codyman> i'm compiling something that needs glib.. what glib package do i need from apt-get
[03:50] <eyequeue> -dev
[03:50] <knucks> whats moo?
[03:51] <eyequeue> browse through synaptic
[03:51] <mebaran151> porbably glib-dev
[03:51] <codyman> grazi
[03:51] <eyequeue> may have version numbers in it
[03:51] <Marble2> robertj, I'm chrooted in, should I apt-get install grub now?
[03:51] <eyequeue> devs often seem to
[03:51] <mebaran151> apt is pretty clever though
[03:51] <robertj> Marble2: yes
[03:52] <eyequeue> un  libglib1.1-dev <none>         (no description available)
[03:52] <eyequeue> pn  libglib1.2-dev <none>         (no description available)
[03:52] <eyequeue> un  libglib1.3-dev <none>         (no description available)
[03:52] <eyequeue> ii  libglib2.0-dev 2.6.3-1        Development files for the GLib library
[03:52] <knucks> ok im lost
[03:52] <eyequeue> that's on hoary, take you pick
[03:52] <CaT[tm] > knucks: where at?
[03:52] <knucks> whats moo?
[03:52] <knucks> i did apt-get --reinstall install `dpkg --get-selections | cut -f 1`
[03:52] <knucks> now what
[03:52] <CaT[tm] > knucks the file you created with...
[03:52] <CaT[tm] > knucks: dpkg --get-selections | cut -f 1 >~/moo
[03:53] <knucks> k now what
[03:53] <CaT[tm] > ?
[03:53] <knucks> i did dpkg --get-selections | cut -f 1 >~/moo
[03:53] <knucks> now what
[03:54] <CaT[tm] > knucks: apt-get --reinstall install `dpkg --get-selections | cut -f 1`
[03:54] <CaT[tm] > knucks: then make a list of those packages that cannot be downloaded and open up moo in an editor and remove them from the list
[03:54] <codyman> what apt-get package installs gtk files
[03:54] <knucks> where is moo?
[03:54] <Pyre> I'll tell you where moo is. moo (aka moo) is connected to this server and is currently in . They have been idle for 10 minutes, 1 second.
[03:54] <CaT[tm] > knucks: ~/moo
[03:54] <Marble2> robertj, what xserver driver should I pick?
[03:54] <CaT[tm] > knucks: ~ means home directory
[03:54] <brainZzZ> i dont remove comment from the listen (no telnet)
[03:54] <robertj> Marble2: for grub?
[03:54] <Marble2> yes
[03:54] <robertj> it shouldn't ask you that
[03:54] <Marble2> it does...
[03:54] <robertj> just press enter
[03:54] <knucks> ahh ok
[03:54] <knucks> in moo right now
[03:54] <robertj> it probably had pending config stuff that was never done
[03:55] <mebaran151> ok
[03:55] <mebaran151> so gimp print 5.0
[03:55] <mebaran151> any cahnce of it being comitted to the repos soon
[03:55] <brainZzZ> instead of me having to download 35 megs of hp drivers and another 6 megs of gimp print drivers
[03:55] <CaT[tm] > knucks: just have to see what apt-get whingest about and remove it from the list there.
[03:55] <Marble2> okay, it's prompting me about gdm.conf
[03:55] <Marble2> what should I pick
[03:56] <Marble2> should I choose the default?
[03:56] <mebaran151> Marble2, default is fine
[03:57] <Marble2> okay robertj, grub installed
[03:57] <robertj> type grub, everything look good
[03:58] <knucks> CaT[tm] : ok removed the packages in moo. saved moo. now what
[03:59] <hybrid> will the ubuntu developers release breezy before the official release of hoary? or will we have to wait untill monday
[03:59] <robertj> if so, reboot
[03:59] <robertj> hybrid: my guess will be a few days after
[03:59] <Marble2> Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time.
[03:59] <hybrid> sigh
[03:59] <Marble2> it is taking a long time :(
[03:59] <robertj> what are you waiting for?
[03:59] <Marble2> me?
[03:59] <hybrid> robertj something to fix
[04:00] <knucks> hm?
[04:00] <hybrid> robertj hoary is too stable i want some betas to test and fix and so on
[04:00] <robertj> hybrid: recompile some stuff from cvs then
[04:01] <hybrid> robertj what is cvs
[04:01] <hybrid> ?
[04:01] <i0n_st0rm> i've got a DSP-500 USB headset.. and while i have found a forum post somewhat similar to my problem, i'm not sure exactly how to fix my problem. the headset doesn't use your sound card, but the only module that i show in /proc/asound/modules is for the sound card.. i get *some* sound out of my headset but it doesn't work right
[04:02] <i0n_st0rm> anyone happen to know how i might go about solving that?
[04:02] <Marble2> uh robertj it moved away from the probing devices screen, but it doesn't list any drives or partitions now
[04:02] <dazed|> have u tried configging the device's volume?
[04:02] <black_nightmare> hey there again :p
[04:02] <Marble2> it just gives me a list of commands I can run
[04:02] <i0n_st0rm> the device's volume?
[04:03] <Flonne> Marble2, do you see a "grub>"-like prompt?
[04:03] <dazed|> through alsa config?
[04:03] <Marble2> yes
[04:03] <i0n_st0rm> as best i can tell, i should be running on snd_usb_audio rather than snd_emu10k1
[04:03] <i0n_st0rm> but i don't have snd_usb_audio installed it seems
[04:03] <Flonne> Are you familiar with your partition structure?
[04:03] <Marble2> yes
[04:04] <i0n_st0rm> fairly so.. i'm not totally new to linux, but hardly a guru
[04:04] <Flonne> Do you understand how GRUB identifies partitions?
[04:04] <Marble2> No
[04:04] <crimsun> i0n_st0rm: please paste lsmod and cat /proc/asound/modules output to pastebin.com
[04:04] <Flonne> (hd0,0) = /dev/hda1
[04:04] <Flonne> (hd0,3) = /dev/hda4
[04:04] <Marble2> how do i view the stuff it found
[04:04] <CaT[tm] > knucks: then apt-get --reinstall install `cat ~/moo`
[04:04] <Marble2> in it's probe?
[04:04] <CaT[tm] > knucks: sorry. missed what you said with all the stuf happening here
[04:05] <hybrid> robertj what is cvs?
[04:05] <Flonne> Marble2, does that make sense?
[04:05] <Marble2> yes
[04:05] <^thehatsrule^> concurrent version system? (guess)
[04:05] <^thehatsrule^> or something like that
[04:05] <billyoc> dingdingding
[04:05] <oXeN_> anyone know what repository i need to install svn ?
[04:05] <knucks> ugh i didnt remove all the packages
[04:05] <knucks> it'd be nice to see what others have..
[04:05] <Flonne> Marble2, do you have a separate /boot/ partition?
[04:05] <knucks> i can ultimately get the packages reinstalled
[04:05] <Flonne> oXeN_, apt-get install subversion
[04:05] <Marble2> uh, it's there yes
[04:06] <Marble2> but I don't know if I use it
[04:06] <i0n_st0rm> ok i pasted the lsmod
[04:06] <zkl|campus> mmm...new nvidia drivers to break hoary with heh
[04:06] <oXeN_> thanks I was sayinv svn instead of subversion
[04:06] <black_nightmare> just wondering for a stupid question but -- would it be difficult to make your own private repositories? (aside to the bandwidth issue that is)
[04:06] <crimsun> no, it's very simple to make your own private repos
[04:06] <i0n_st0rm> the cat /proc/asound/modules is rather simple.. 0 snd_emu10k1
[04:06] <Flonne> Marble2, how did you create it? If you let the Ubuntu installer take care of it, then it should be used.
[04:06] <knucks> apt-get --reinstall install
[04:06] <Marble2> yes, ubuntu installer created it
[04:07] <Marble2> it's used then
[04:07] <i0n_st0rm> http://pastebin.com/265473
[04:07] <knucks> root@Igor:/home/knucks # apt-get --reinstall install
[04:07] <knucks> Reading Package Lists... Done
[04:07] <knucks> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[04:07] <knucks> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 329 not upgraded.
[04:07] <Flonne> Marble2, "root (hd0,2)" where 0,2 is replaced by your boot partition.
[04:07] <Flonne> Marble2, it should tell you what type of filesystem it is.
[04:07] <i0n_st0rm> ah ok.. i see that the snd_usb_audio is there.. but apparently not configured in
[04:07] <Marble2> grub>
[04:07] <Marble2>       root (hd0,3)
[04:07] <Marble2>  Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x82
[04:08] <Marble2> hd0,3 would be hda4 right?
[04:08] <Flonne> Yes.
[04:08] <Flonne> That's somewhat alarming.
[04:08] <Marble2> yes, it is somewhat alarming
[04:08] <black_nightmare> crimsun...ty..I was curious about slowly learning about compiling a custom kernel..then to figure some kind of minimal desktop and add apt-get to that....then also yeah see about my own repositories to go alone with that
[04:08] <crimsun> i0n_st0rm: its functionality is blocked by the presence of an oss module: audio
[04:08] <brainZzZ> gillllll somewhat..u?
[04:08] <Flonne> Can you open a new terminal and run "fdisk -l /dev/hda"?
[04:08] <black_nightmare> its a crazy thought so far but I'm working on reading the kernel documents
[04:08] <i0n_st0rm> hmm.. how do i go about fixing that?
[04:08] <Marble2> knoppix@ttyp2[knoppix] $ fdisk -l /dev/hda
[04:08] <Marble2> Cannot open /dev/hda
[04:09] <crimsun> i0n_st0rm: are you using Warty or Hoary?
[04:09] <Flonne> black_nightmare, compiling a custom kernel is easy.
[04:09] <i0n_st0rm> warty
[04:09] <Flonne> Marble2, su/sudo to root first.
[04:09] <i0n_st0rm> got my cd's in the mail a few days ago and decided to install :)
[04:09] <Marble2> Disk /dev/hda: 200.0 GB, 200049647616 bytes
[04:09] <Marble2> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24321 cylinders
[04:09] <Marble2> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[04:09] <Marble2>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[04:09] <Marble2> /dev/hda1              11        7748    62155485    7  HPFS/NTFS
[04:09] <Marble2> /dev/hda2            7749       10359    20972857+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[04:09] <Marble2> /dev/hda3           10360       20802    83883397+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[04:09] <Marble2> /dev/hda4   *       20803       24321    28266367+  82  Linux swap
[04:09] <black_nightmare> flonne...well...I'm not so complete sure I understand the specific documents yet...hehe so.....
[04:10] <black_nightmare> but then...well maybe hopefully I can already have my own running kernel on the 68k mac by end of april or who knows?
[04:10] <i0n_st0rm> am i reading that right.. marble2 has a linux swap but no actual linux partitions?
[04:10] <Flonne> Marble2, do you have two harddrives?
[04:10] <Marble2> 3
[04:10] <crimsun> i0n_st0rm: ok, that's the issue, then; Warty's blacklist is outdated.  This is fixed in Hoary.  For now, you can do this:  echo "audio" | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base
[04:10] <Flonne> Marble2, what's on the others?
[04:10] <Flonne> i0n_st0rm, yes; it looks that way.
[04:10] <CaT[tm] > knuck: did you include the full line I gave you?
[04:10] <i0n_st0rm> should i upgrade to hoary?
[04:11] <Marble2> one has 1 partition, that's my windows disk. The other is a 160 gig ntfs disk with no files on it
[04:11] <crimsun> i0n_st0rm: well regardless, in 8 days, you should =)
[04:11] <crimsun> i0n_st0rm: but the workaround I demonstrated above will work now after you reboot
[04:11] <i0n_st0rm> hehe :)
[04:11] <i0n_st0rm> i did it
[04:11] <i0n_st0rm> so just reboot now?
[04:11] <crimsun> i0n_st0rm: yep.
[04:11] <cyklus> j #debian
[04:11] <cyklus> ups
[04:11] <dazed|> lol...can u update directly from a cd because im on 56k and if update via synaptic or something it would take me years?
[04:11] <i0n_st0rm> okies.. *runs off to reboot*
[04:11] <Flonne> Marble2, run "fdisk -l /dev/hd[bc] " (don't show us the contents unless there are Linux drives there)
[04:11] <crimsun> dazed|: sure.
[04:12] <Marble2> those are the other 2 drives
[04:12] <Marble2> both ntfs
[04:12] <dazed|> crimsun: how would i do it if i were to do it from a install cd?
[04:12] <Marble2> no linux
[04:12] <dazed|> crimsun: would it recognize that ihave a prev. ver of ubuntu installed?
[04:12] <Flonne> Marble2, it looks as though your Ubuntu installation has been overwritten...
[04:13] <cyklus> I'm looking to encrypt sensitive files on my harddrive... can anyone recommend a way to do this?
[04:13] <Marble2> how is that
[04:13] <crimsun> dazed|: no need to run the installer.  Just insert the cd and sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:13] <Marble2> I can chroot in to it
[04:13] <black_nightmare> flonne...heh the only one thing I'm kinda trying to ponder on is about amount of ram... :p
[04:13] <Flonne> But it shows up as NTFS.
[04:13] <Marble2> and when I did fdisk -l on it (when I could boot to ubuntu) it listed it as Linux/swap
[04:13] <dazed|> crimsun: and it will install the packages from the cd instead of downloading it off of the repo's?
[04:13] <Marble2> /dev/hda4   *       20803       24321    28266367+  82  Linux swap
[04:13] <Marble2> doesn't look like ntfs to me?
[04:13] <Marble2> I'm confused
[04:13] <zkl|campus> that's your swap partition
[04:13] <martinhj> crimsun, I'm no expert, but he have to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the online archives?
[04:14] <Flonne> Marble2, Linux/swap doesn't actually contain real data, unless I'm horribly mistaken.
[04:14] <zkl|campus> your root filesystem for linux would be of type 83 instead of 82
[04:14] <Flonne> It's possible it can, but I've never seen it done beyond random experiments I've done.
[04:14] <Marble2> uh, it's always been shown as Linux swap and I always stored real data on it
[04:14] <martinhj> about dazed upgrading from warty to hoary
[04:14] <Flonne> Marble2, I... guess we can try, but this is a very unusal setup, so I can't make any promises. :(
[04:15] <dazed|> martinhj: thats what would think id need to do
[04:15] <Marble2> that's fine
[04:15] <black_nightmare> flonne...is it usually the kernel or just X/desktop that is the main use of physical ram?
[04:15] <black_nightmare> just curious
[04:15] <fatpelt> has anyone seen this error and know how to fix it? "java.awt.AWTException: cannot open XIM"
[04:15] <kbrooks> XIM? FUCK
[04:15] <Flonne> black_nightmare, it's your apps; the kernel will run in a very small amount quite easily.
[04:15] <i0n_st0rm> okies.. my cat /proc/asound/modules now shows snd_usb_audio in the 0 slot :)
[04:15] <dazed|> i mean my laptops got hoary cuz i got wireless card and its portable lol
[04:15] <fatpelt> kbrooks:  that bad huh?
[04:16] <black_nightmare> flonne...ah thats what I had been wondering..so I guess that makes the thought of this kernel a lot EASIER :p
[04:16] <Krys_> i'm having a major problem trying to play mp3's in 'music player'.. it says.. could not open resource for writing, then 'could not pause playback' anyone know how to fix this?
[04:16] <black_nightmare> flonne.. 68k mac's oftenly didn't have much ram at all to start with anyhow
[04:16] <Marble2> Flonne, so what do I do?
[04:16] <Flonne> Marble2, okay, chroot in with the other terminal (no mounting required), and `ls /boot/` -- see if it lists anything like "vmlinuz".
[04:16] <i0n_st0rm> i'd like to thank you, crimsun. i saw that you were the one that helped the person in the forum post i saw :)
[04:16] <Marble2> yes
[04:16] <Marble2> 5 vmlinuz things
[04:17] <Liz> i just upgraded on hoary, and now i have display at all
[04:17] <Flonne> Okay. Let's pretend you don't have a separate /boot/ partition and see where this goes. (Non-destructive)
[04:17] <i0n_st0rm> ahh.. sound! :-D
[04:17] <black_nightmare> likewise take these examples: powerbook 145B > 8mb of ram original ......... LC475 alak "pizzabox" = 4mb onboard (or if rarely-foundable, can go to 68mb or 132mb max with one angled simm)
[04:17] <Liz> can anyone help me get my display back please?
[04:17] <Flonne> Go back to the one with the grub prompt.
[04:17] <Marble2> okay
[04:17] <Flonne> Run "setup (hd0)".
[04:17] <black_nightmare> I might have to figure lynx and so on for internet just to save on ram as well
[04:18] <martinhj> is there any way to edit id3-tags on mp3s in rhythmbox?
[04:18] <Krys_> i0n_st0rm,  know how to get my sound runnin?
[04:18] <Marble2> Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition
[04:18] <crimsun> i0n_st0rm: np
[04:18] <crimsun> dazed|: / martinhj: yes, dazed| would need to have only the deb cdrom entry
[04:18] <i0n_st0rm> krys: i went through the ubuntu tweak stuff on the forums like a week ago.. crimsun was just helping me with my headset not working
[04:18] <DanglyBits> ubuntu noobie question...how can i get acrobat 7 reader on my ubuntu system
[04:18] <Flonne> Marble2, can you PM me the contents of /etc/fstab? (use the non-grub chroot)
[04:18] <cyklus> I'm looking to encrypt sensitive files on my harddrive... can anyone recommend a way to do this?
[04:18] <Liz> ive tried loggin into the previous kernel, thats in grub, but even that wont work..the only wayh i can log into ubuntu at all is on the backup safe mode, but then i dont know how to get around via command line to make it work
[04:19] <crimsun> DanglyBits: if you're running Hoary, you can use debian-marillat
[04:19] <Krys_> the funny thing is.. I have my headset plugged in, and if i say something, I can hear it come to the speakers.. but I can't get mp3's to work sadly
[04:19] <i0n_st0rm> hmm
[04:19] <i0n_st0rm> what kind of headset?
[04:19] <Krys_> cheap kind, i dont know the name and its not written on it.. so the headset works I just can't music player to play me music haha
[04:19] <i0n_st0rm> hehe
[04:19] <i0n_st0rm> my problem was with a usb headset..
[04:20] <Krys_> never seen those before
[04:20] <DanglyBits> crimsun, I am using hoary..how does it work..debian-marillat
[04:20] <i0n_st0rm> i'm honestly not all that highly knowledgeable when it comes to specifics
[04:21] <Krys_> heh, allright.. I'm super new to ubuntu.. installed it lastnigt so ur'e probably more knowledgable than me
[04:21] <Liz> my problem with sound was that it was using the wrong sound driver file
[04:21] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[04:21] <Liz> i had to change hte option in xmms to get mine to work
[04:21] <i0n_st0rm> krys: are you new to linux
[04:21] <Krys_> yeah.. sorta
[04:21] <i0n_st0rm> then i *might* know more than you
[04:21] <crimsun> DanglyBits: add that repo using Synaptic or an editor.  See http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[04:21] <Krys_> I've used debian before, but basically just to talk on gaim or irc, lol
[04:22] <Krys_> what'd you have to change liz?
[04:22] <Krys_> the output plugin?
[04:22] <Roey> hey all
[04:22] <Liz> he default files now esound, and i wasnt using that before
[04:22] <i0n_st0rm> i'm primarilly a windows user (for gaming purposes and school), but i enjoy linux.. i've been through SuSE, debian, mdk, and gentoo (god if that's not one to drive a crazy man sane)
[04:22] <comfrey> hey all
[04:22] <Krys_> yeah I changed that, didn't work
[04:22] <crimsun> Krys_: cat /proc/asound/modules
[04:23] <Liz> hyou could also check in alsamixer to see if one of the options has been muted as well Krys_
[04:23] <comfrey> if i want to enable routing from eth1 through to eth0 what is the best way?
[04:23] <CarlK> i0n_st0rm - Was it GENerally TOO much work? ;)
[04:23] <neighborlee> i0n_st0rm, ;-)
[04:23] <Krys_> its not that it plays and I dont hear it.. I get an error
[04:23] <black_nightmare> lol i0n_st0rm -- I'm trying to figure the kernel documents as to figure building my own kernel for a particular 68k mac I got :p
[04:23] <black_nightmare> hehehe
[04:23] <comfrey> i know i can use shorewall. but shurely there is a simpler way
[04:23] <Liz> crimsun..any idea on my problem with my display?
[04:23] <cyklus> I'm looking to encrypt sensitive files on my harddrive... can anyone recommend a way to do this?
[04:23] <cartel_> cyklus: bestcrypt, lvm
[04:24] <CarlK> cyklus - there is also IDE encryption that will encryp the whole drive
[04:24] <i0n_st0rm> eep.. now that i have sound it's way loud lol.. *goes to do research on alsa*
[04:25] <Liz> heh..i had to borrow a laptop to be able to chat
[04:25] <Liz> to fix my problem
[04:27] <crimsun> Krys_: it'd greatly assist me if you answered my question
[04:27] <crimsun> Liz: to avoid scrollback, please summarise
[04:27] <Krys_> crimsun, sorry I didn't see that you said anything to me
[04:27] <Krys_> what was it?
[04:27] <crimsun> 21:22 < crimsun> Krys_: cat /proc/asound/modules
[04:27] <Liz> i upgraded using apt-get upgrade after an update.now when i log in, i have no display. nothing at all
[04:28] <Liz> its just a blank screen
[04:28] <Krys_> i'm extremely new to linux, so what does that mean?
[04:28] <crimsun> Krys_: open a Terminal and type that command (cat /proc/asound/modules)
[04:28] <crimsun> Liz: with current Hoary, as of an hour ago?
[04:28] <Krys_> okay
[04:28] <Liz> crimsun yes
[04:29] <Liz> im not familiar enough with command line to fix it ..even if i knew what i was looking for
[04:29] <martinhj> Liz, where does the screen blank? when the kernel loads right after you select one in the boot-loader?
[04:29] <Krys_> 0 snd_usb_audio............... 1 snd_emu10kl
[04:29] <Liz> martinhj, no, it loads that..its when i get to the gdm, that i get nothing
[04:29] <Liz> no display what so ever
[04:30] <Liz> even booting into the previous kernel before th eupdate, i got the same thing
[04:30] <crimsun> Krys_: some headsets are not capable of such playback
[04:30] <Liz> so im gussing it was the update i did last night that caused it, cause i shut down at night
[04:30] <DanC_ub> hmm... I'm (still) trying to figure out how to do midi keyboard stuff with ubuntu. the whole I gather ALSA is a safe bet over OSS by now, but a lot of apps still just want to open /dev/dsp ... then there's esd vs polypaudio which I haven't really figured out at all... I think I grok jackd, but the whole low-latency/security thing is messy... and then gstreamer is a whole other layer of confusion
[04:30] <Krys_> I'm not worried about the playback. I moreso want the speakers to work
[04:30] <Krys_> err.. headsets*
[04:31] <Liz> this morning i was able to log into one of the safe mode backups, and get to a root prompt
[04:31] <Liz> i did another update and upgrade this morning via that..and rebooted
[04:31] <Liz> and still a blank screen
[04:31] <crimsun> Krys_: in what way?  It's best if you used the sblive/audigy for playback instead
[04:31] <martinhj> Liz, can you try to boot into ubuntu through the old rescue-choice you got in grub
[04:31] <Liz> martinhj im currently booted into that now..
[04:31] <Krys_> its my speakers I want to hear out of, not the headset..
[04:32] <Liz> but no display
[04:32] <martinhj> Liz, can you do a ls -l /etc/X11 and tell me if you can see a xorg.conf or X86Config file?
[04:32] <kh4nh> hi guyes
[04:32] <Krys_> I just thought of something
[04:32] <Krys_> so let me try it
[04:33] <crimsun> DanC_ub: it's really fairly straightforward.  ALSA and OSS are both driver APIs; Ubuntu uses the former.  Esound (and its successor, polypaudio) can use either ALSA or OSS.  Jack-it (jackd) can use either ALSA or OSS, but its preferred platform on Linux is ALSA.
[04:33] <kh4nh> how do you add path?
[04:33] <dex1> Hi, I'm having trouble with an Ubuntu install, under Vmware on an XP machine. It all went fine (got into Gnome etc) and then it came to running the VMware tools from text mode. Which I did. Now it's rebooted it can't/won't start the X server. I'm running the VMWare install again (this time I'd run sudo aptitude install build-essential beforehand since it complained originally). Can anyone help? it's complaining about not being able to find stuff.
[04:33] <Liz> martinhj, i have a config file for xorg, and X86
[04:33] <i0n_st0rm> CarlK: lol.. it got to be after the nth failed attempt at a stage x install
[04:33] <dex1> at: http://pastebin.ca/8575
[04:34] <crimsun> DanC_ub: basically, it looks like:  hardware > Linux > ALSA/OSS > JACK/ESounD/polypaudio[/Gstreamer]  > Gstreamer > Some application
[04:34] <DanC_ub> ok, crimsun, so what do I do to make sound come out of the machine when I press a key on this midi keyboard? There's some server mode for timidity, but it didn't seem to get along with polypaudio
[04:34] <Liz> well its XF86Config-4
[04:34] <Krys_> crimsun, I had a microsoft thing plugged in via USB .. and I had my speakers and headset plugged into it. I now plugged my speakers directly to the computer. Are there some kind of settigns I need to change to get the speakers to work?
[04:34] <Jamminpotato> i need assitance: when i tried to dual boot into windowss after installing hoary it says "NTLDR missing press ctrl+alt+del to restart"
[04:34] <dazed|> Liz u still on warty?
[04:34] <kh4nh> how do u add path
[04:34] <martinhj> Liz, thats OK
[04:34] <Jamminpotato> is it fixable, if so how
[04:34] <Liz> dazed| no, hoary
[04:35] <DanC_ub> where does timidity fit in, crimsun? or does gstreamer do software midi synth?
[04:35] <dazed|> Liz: same thing happened to me on warty ...why i was asking
[04:35] <crimsun> Krys_: probably best if you used the sblive.
[04:35] <Krys_> what's sblive?
[04:35] <Liz> dazed| i never had a problem on warty at all. heh
[04:35] <i0n_st0rm> sound blaster live! sound card
[04:35] <DanC_ub> does gstreamer get along with jackd, I wonder? and does ubuntu support low-latency?
[04:35] <crimsun> DanC_ub: Timidity is software MIDI. It sits on top of ALSA/OSS.
[04:36] <Jamminpotato> anyone know how i can get rid of the NTLDR missing error
[04:36] <dazed|> Liz: it was my fault while installing packages comp got shutdown cuz of a storm so gdm was corrupted and and had to reconfig xorg and reinstall gdm
[04:36] <DanC_ub> so I should turn off polypaudio, crimsun?
[04:36] <crimsun> DanC_ub: Gstreamer does not grok MIDI as far as I know
[04:36] <brainZzZ> but @msn.com is for their isp customers, as far as i know.
[04:36] <crimsun> DanC_ub: gstreamer does work with JACK; it has a JACK output
[04:36] <martinhj> Liz, can you try to use the commando "startx" and press <ctrl>+<alt>+<f1> after the screen turns black (it should) and check the messages that command gives
[04:37] <Jamminpotato> ANYONE? i really need this fixe bfore tommorow
[04:37] <crimsun> DanC_ub: Ubuntu has not merged the realtime-lsm or any additional low-latency kernel patches beyond what 2.6.10 provides
[04:37] <dex1> Anyone want to volunteer for trailblazing aka getting Ubuntu working under Vmware (with vmware tools - the thorny problem)
[04:37] <crimsun> Krys_: are you using Hoary?
[04:37] <martinhj> Jamminpotato, ntldr is the nt loader - windows stuff
[04:37] <DanC_ub> I think I saw a source package for realtime-lsm; is that the state-of-the-art?
[04:37] <moominski> wots a good program for playin vob files
[04:38] <martinhj> Jamminpotato, do you want to boot ubunto?
[04:38] <martinhj> s/o/u
[04:38] <crimsun> DanC_ub: it's the most promising option at the moment
[04:38] <Jamminpotato> martinhj, i cna boot unbuntu i want to boto windows
[04:38] <Liz> martinhj typing that says command not found
[04:38] <dazed|> is there a program to play wmv files?
[04:38] <Krys_> I think so yes
[04:38] <Liz> im in a root prompt remember
[04:38] <brainZzZ> i think someone else did it.. someone in the opposite trade week as mine
[04:38] <crimsun> dazed|: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[04:38] <martinhj> Liz, "startx" with all lowercase and all?
[04:38] <martinhj> should be there
[04:38] <Jamminpotato> martinhj, i but ubuntu on the sedond partition of my hdd and it runs fine, but the NTLDR is gone and i cant boot XP and i have a lan party tommorw :(
[04:39] <dazed|> liz, sounds like ur x is corrupt if startx doesnt work
[04:39] <Liz> martinhj yep
[04:39] <dex1> So what *is* the directory of C header files that match my running kernel? :/ [http://pastebin.ca/8575] 
[04:39] <randabis> sounds like someone installed linux to "be cool" lolz
[04:39] <martinhj> Jamminpotato, grub is there?
[04:39] <Liz> i updated it this morning dazed|..
[04:39] <DanC_ub> hmm... crimsun, do you think a midi keyboard should work reasonably well without realtime/jack-it?
[04:39] <PacoBCN> while we talk about this all let's put some background music, dudes: http://www.somafm.com/secretagent.pls
[04:39] <martinhj> Jamminpotato, and you can boot ubuntu still?
[04:39] <crimsun> DanC_ub: yes.
[04:39] <Jamminpotato> martinhj, i believe so grub/lilo
[04:39] <dazed|> Liz: im just lost then lol
[04:39] <crimsun> dex1: vmware configuration is _awful_
[04:39] <Jamminpotato> martinhj, i can boot ubuntu rgr
[04:40] <geppy> DanC_ub: JACK is a sound server, you could probably just use straight ALSA or OSS
[04:40] <crimsun> dex1: /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[04:40] <martinhj> Jamminpotato, and you could boot windows from grub before?
[04:40] <dex1> crimsun: But works well once it's up and running right?
[04:40] <geppy> DanC_ub: But realtime-lsm and jackd are easy enough to install ;)
[04:40] <crimsun> dex1: not in my experience
[04:40] <Jamminpotato> martinhj. i installed ubuntu yester day and i've booted into it three times, i tried XP and it gave me the NTLDR missing error
[04:41] <dex1> Well since Ubuntu ko'd the compaq machine despite both our efforts (unsupported S3 cards etc) I'm risking everything on this machine so it'll have to be a virtual system
[04:41] <martinhj> Liz, maybe apt-get install xorg-common could work if you got net access
[04:41] <DanC_ub> well, geppy, I'd like to do something that ubuntu will work reasonably well with... i.e. I'd like to be able to play .ogg files by clicking on them one minute and play the midi keyboard the next without reconfiguring everything in between.This machine is for my kids
[04:41] <Liz> ill give that a go
[04:41] <geppy> DanC_ub: Would you like help installing realtime-lsm and JACK?
[04:41] <dex1> *not risking
[04:42] <DanC_ub> I gather that polypaudio is the ubutuntu way, but I don't see how to get something like timidity to work with polypaudio
[04:42] <revelater> so why would bittornado crash shortly after connecting?
[04:42] <geppy> DanC_ub: Ah, yeah.
[04:42] <crimsun> DanC_ub: actually esd is what both Warty and Hoary use.
[04:42] <Liz> martinhj i already have the latest version installed
[04:42] <geppy> crimsun: Just out of curiosity, what caused the switch back to ESD?
[04:42] <DanC_ub> phpht. really? esd? polypaudio seems to start running magically somehow
[04:42] <crimsun> DanC_ub: timidity only needs a pcm output, like /dev/dsp*
[04:42] <crimsun> DanC_ub: are you running current Hoary?
[04:43] <crimsun> geppy: !i386 arches have major problems with polypaudio
[04:43] <DanC_ub> yes, this machine is current w.r.t. hoary. I just did a dist-upgrade sometime this week
[04:43] <geppy> crimsun: Oh, alright.
[04:43] <DanC_ub> crikey... 138 updates available already, though!
[04:43] <crimsun> DanC_ub: you can continue to use polypaudio, as I do, or you can reinstall esound
[04:43] <Jamminpotato> martinhj, i've never booted windows from grub
[04:44] <DanC_ub> hmm... polypaudio doesn't seem to be running just now. How do I start it without logout/login? polypaudio -nC ?
[04:44] <revelater> anyone here use bittornado?
[04:44] <CheeseBall> no
[04:44] <DanC_ub> oops... no.. that gives me a prompt
[04:45] <CheeseBall> i use azerus
[04:45] <^thehatsrule^> how bout bithurricane?
[04:45] <dex1> crimsun: /usr/src/linux-headers-$ is not an existing directory (it's running installer now). So presumable where 'me' is my username I should instead enter:
[04:45] <dex1> /usr/src/linux-headers-$me-r   ?
[04:45] <revelater> can i synaptic it
[04:45] <revelater> ?
[04:45] <^thehatsrule^> y not
[04:45] <crimsun> dex1: you first need to install it.  sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[04:45] <randabis> revelater: it's in universe
[04:45] <dex1> ill exit the installer :(
[04:45] <Jamminpotato> randabis i need your assitance
[04:46] <randabis> in what way?
[04:46] <revelater> randabis: which one, bithurricane or azuras?
[04:46] <martinhj> Liz, maybe it's your path that it is something wrong with.. try /usr/bin/X11/startx
[04:46] <randabis> revelater: bittornado
[04:46] <DanC_ub> crimsun, geppy, I know I could set things up all sorts of different ways... what I'm trying to figure out is: which way will "just work" with the most ubuntu packages?
[04:46] <Jamminpotato> randabis, i tried to boot XP for the first time since installing ubuntu and its says "NTLDR missing" how do i fix it?
[04:46] <revelater> randabis: i know, but it crashes on me shortly after starting
[04:46] <geppy> DanC_ub: ESD or Polypaudio
[04:47] <geppy> DanC_ub: I usually use JACK, but it really doesn't work with much.
[04:47] <randabis> Jamminpotato: by what means are you trying to boot windows?
[04:47] <DanC_ub> does it matter which? I'm a little more familiar with esd
[04:47] <Liz> martinhj, bash: startx: command not found
[04:47] <geppy> DanC_ub: Nah, just use ESD. =)
[04:47] <DanC_ub> do you use realtime, geppy?
[04:47] <Liz> even tho im looking at that file
[04:47] <geppy> DanC_ub: Aye.
[04:47] <martinhj> Jamminpotato, one sollution you could try, is to boot the Windows XP install cd and try to use the rescue command line and try the fixmbr and fixboot - that will ruine the grub boot loader, but you could fix that after your lan party
[04:48] <Krys_> well I guess I can't get mp3's working in linux
[04:48] <geppy> Krys_: Why?
[04:48] <DanC_ub> actually, geppy, I gather esd is not going to be supported in ubuntu going forward, so I'm interested to learn polypaudio
[04:48] <Jamminpotato> randabis, i elieve grub/lilo, whatever ubuntu does by deafult
[04:48] <martinhj> Liz, not only "startx" but type in "/usr/bin/X11/startx"
[04:48] <Krys_> it still won't work
[04:48] <adobbie> just use ALSA for sound
[04:48] <DanC_ub> $ man polypaudio
[04:48] <DanC_ub> No manual entry for polypaudio
[04:48] <randabis> Jamminpotato: if you do what martinhj is suggesting, then you will not be able to boot ubuntu
[04:48] <dex1> crimsun: "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)". Am I not supposed to take the "$(uname -r" literally and just put -name-r?
[04:48] <geppy> DanC_ub: Judging by what crimsun has said, I'm assuming that ESD is going to be used in the future.
[04:48] <DanC_ub> why, adobbie ?
[04:48] <Krys_> geppy,  I get a error everytime I try to play a mp3 file
[04:48] <geppy> DanC_ub: Regardless, they're pretty much the same.
[04:49] <geppy> Krys_: Enable universe, then 'sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins'
[04:49] <randabis> Jamminpotato: post your /boot/grub/menu.lst in #flood or at pastebin.com
[04:49] <Krys_> did that
[04:49] <Krys_> well actually someone else did it remotely, still isn't working
[04:49] <randabis> probably has nothing to do with it, but I wanna see it anyway
[04:50] <DanC_ub> wierd... I type esd and I see a bunch of stuff ending with Welcome to polypaudio!
[04:50] <crimsun> dex1: I gave you precise syntax.
[04:50] <Jamminpotato> randabis, http://www.pastebin.com/265494
[04:50] <dex1> ok
[04:51] <crimsun> DanC_ub: the future lies with polypaudio, but for stability and portability reasons, Hoary will release with esound.
[04:51] <crimsun> DanC_ub: the package is 'esound'.
[04:51] <randabis> DanC_ub: esound
[04:51] <^thehatsrule^> isnt that installed by default?
[04:51] <Krys_> Can anyone help me do a file sharing? So the mp3's that are on my desktop *running ubuntu* can be read by my laptop *running windows*?
[04:51] <crimsun> ^thehatsrule^: on new installs of Hoary, yes, and from strict dist-upgrades from Warty, yes.
[04:51] <dazed|> crimsun: im reading that page u sent me bout restricted formats and i cant get mallirat to work is it a Hoary only thing?
[04:51] <^thehatsrule^> ah
[04:52] <crimsun> ^thehatsrule^: however, there was a window (a couple months ago) when dist-upgrading from Warty would have given one polypaudio
[04:52] <DanC_ub> esd: Esound sound daemon unable to create unix domain socket:
[04:52] <DanC_ub> /tmp/.esd/socket
[04:52] <crimsun> dazed|: for 'acroread' only
[04:52] <randabis> Jamminpotato: is your windows install the first partition on your hard drive?
[04:52] <geppy> DanC_ub: That means you're already running ESD.  'pgrep esd'
[04:52] <DanC_ub> pgrep esd gives no output
[04:52] <geppy> ODd.
[04:53] <dazed|> whats reall acroread?
[04:53] <Jamminpotato> randabis, yes first partion = winXP second part = ubuntu thrid = ubuntu swap 4th = fat32 partion for genreal use
[04:53] <DanC_ub> $ sudo rm -rf /tmp/.esd
[04:53] <DanC_ub> there. :)
[04:54] <Jamminpotato> randabis, i may have to recover console it =/ i need it for a lan tommorow and dont have time for a reinstall
[04:54] <DanC_ub> ok, I got the familiar esd beeps...
[04:54] <DanC_ub> now... how do I get timidity talking to esd? esddsp timidity?
[04:54] <Jamminpotato> randabis, if i recovery console can i somehow fix the boot thing to dual boot properly?
[04:54] <randabis> Jamminpotato: you could do the recovery console method, but that still may not fix it
[04:54] <dazed|> crimsun: what do u mean acroread only....what is that?
[04:54] <geppy> DanC_ub: Yeah.
[04:55] <dex1> dazed: acroread is adobe acrobat reader program (allows you to read pdf files)
[04:55] <randabis> Jamminpotato: yes, but you'll need a livecd of some sort
[04:55] <Jamminpotato> randabis, if recovery consoel doesnt fix it im so screwed
[04:55] <camargo> randabis, maybe Jamminpotato installed grub on hda1 instead of on MBR
[04:55] <Jamminpotato> camargo, im pretty sure its installed on MBR
[04:55] <dex1> So would Microsoft Virtual PC 2004 be better than VMWare 4.5 for running Ubuntu on this sytstem? (VMWare is what I'm using)
[04:56] <DanC_ub> hmm... I can play .midi files with timidity _without_ using esddsp
[04:56] <dex1> it's on win xp
[04:56] <randabis> camargo: I doubt that...hda1 would be ntfs
[04:56] <camargo> Jamminpotato, try to use the fixboot command from the winxp recovr console so
[04:56] <DanC_ub> ugh... using timidity with esddsp sounds horrible
[04:56] <black_nightmare> any of you know if asking to support more partition formats adds more bulk to a kernel or not so?
[04:56] <brainZzZ> sounds good
[04:56] <black_nightmare> likewise supporting one type of partition compared to supporting three?
[04:56] <camargo> randabis, no problem... it still can overide the ntldr...
[04:56] <Jamminpotato> arrrgh, i have to go find my xp cd
[04:57] <CarlK> daily install is stuck - "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! ... nvidia-kernel-common" - here is a pic of the error: http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Mar31/1112314349/p1010004.jpg
[04:57] <crimsun> DanC_ub: it'd be best to use alsa directly
[04:57] <DanC_ub> argh! I thought we just established that esd/polypaudio was the way to go. Why is it best to use alsa directly?
[04:57] <Flonne> black_nightmare, everything you add will make the kernel bigger.
[04:57] <geppy> DanC_ub: Quality.
[04:57] <Flonne> However, drivers tend to be pretty small.
[04:58] <geppy> Does ESD work with aoss?
[04:58] <crimsun> esd has a native alsa backend
[04:58] <tomcat> Hey all, just wanted to give a BIG THANKS to everyone who helped me with my few questions last week. I've just got the speakers hooked up on my new ubuntu box, and the 1st gen soundblaster live that I had thought was a DEAD CARD works wonderfully! And I love Synaptic!
[04:58] <membreya> the linux-restricted-modules that's in the repo's today..does that have nvidia 7129 drivers in it?
[04:58] <crimsun> there's no need to use aoss with esd
[04:58] <crimsun> membreya: yes.
[04:58] <DanC_ub> yeah, I can hear the difference in quality, geppy. I'd like to understand *why*
[04:58] <camargo> btw, what is polyaudio? :)
[04:58] <membreya> FFS!
[04:58] <HrdwrBoB> polypaudio
[04:58] <HrdwrBoB> esd replacement
[04:58] <crimsun> camargo: a drop-in replacement for esound
[04:58] <black_nightmare> flonne...hm well I'll probably just comment out to the basic filesystems likewise I wouldn't bother including bfs/efs/etc since these aren't common
[04:58] <dazed|> crimsun: what do u mean acroread only....what is that?
[04:58] <black_nightmare> right?
[04:58] <membreya> i don't WANT 7129 i want to keep with 6629
[04:58] <randabis> Jamminpotato: it's possible that your windows install is corrupted or something, but more than likely using the recovery console will fix your boot problems...then if you want ubuntu back, you'll need to reinstall grub using a livecd
[04:59] <geppy> crimsun: Can ESD utilize something like dmix properly?
[04:59] <membreya> 7129 causes my PC to lock
[04:59] <crimsun> dazed|: dex1 answered that above
[04:59] <Jamminpotato> camargo, randabis i will be back hoepgully soon
[04:59] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: dmix is lower level than esd
[04:59] <crimsun> geppy: yes and no.
[04:59] <Jamminpotato> randabis, it should jsut be the boot
[04:59] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: if you are using dmix don't use esd
[04:59] <camargo> crimsun, my reps dont have it.
[04:59] <DanC_ub> esd has alsa support? I don't see it in th man page...
[04:59] <Jamminpotato> randabis, cause i didnt touch theXP partition
[04:59] <Flonne> black_nightmare, if you think you will use it, build it in; if you think you might use it, make it a module.
[04:59] <HrdwrBoB> DanC_ub: esd uses the OSS emulation for alsa support
[04:59] <black_nightmare> flonne I don't think I'll even use it
[04:59] <Flonne> Modules don't use memory (aside from diskspace) unless loaded.
[04:59] <Flonne> They're less efficient, but probably the way to go.
[04:59] <crimsun> DanC_ub: libesd-alsa0 - Enlightened Sound Daemon (ALSA) - Shared libraries
[05:00] <geppy> HrdwrBoB: I'm not using either, but DonC is wanting to use timidity with ALSA, and he's probably wanting to have sound from ESD applications, as well.
[05:00] <black_nightmare> think I only really need mac/win and disc file systems supported for myself
[05:00] <black_nightmare> but if I'm wrong...I'll just recompile then :p
[05:00] <dazed|> crimsun: ohhh then whyd u say that to me when i said that mallirat doesnt work on my warty?
[05:00] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: it's all a terrible disaster tbh
[05:00] <DanC_ub> $ ldd /usr/bin/esd|grep alsa
[05:00] <DanC_ub> shows nothing
[05:00] <HrdwrBoB> the easiest thing to do is to buy an emu1k1
[05:00] <HrdwrBoB> 10k1
[05:00] <DanC_ub> does it use dlopen() to get libesd-alsa0?
[05:01] <crimsun> dazed|: if you read carefully, my very first answer used the qualifying phrase regarding Hoary
[05:01] <geppy> HrdwrBoB: I agree. We just need to wait for everyone to start using JACK. ;)
[05:01] <black_nightmare> flonne do you know about 'network file systems' ?  I'm wondering if I even need any of these when I'm not considering any kind of networking [just one computer alone and an external dialup modem] 
[05:01] <Servo888> How is the kernel information detected? (such as the following... "2.6.11.2-em8300 preempt PENTIUMII gcc-3.4") - Is this set when running make menuconfig, and make?
[05:01] <crimsun> Servo888: it is saved when the build begins
[05:01] <Flonne> black_nightmare, no, if you're trying to slim your kernel down as much as possible, you probably won't need that stuff.
[05:01] <dazed|> crimsun: lol im sooo lost :( oh well
[05:02] <camargo> HrdwrBoB, true.. :)
[05:02] <black_nightmare> ok let me delete these......one second :p
[05:02] <neighborlee> anyone know why some apps show up in menu after synaptic and others dont ?
[05:02] <Servo888> crimsun, by change; if you make on gcc-3.4, then copy the source tree over to another machine which is running gcc-3.3. And on that machine you run make (with out running make clean), will the kernel still be detected as gcc-3.4?
[05:03] <Servo888> chance*
[05:03] <camargo> neighborlee, probably the other apps dont have a .desktop file
[05:03] <^thehatsrule^> neighborlee, depends on the pacakge...
[05:03] <neighborlee> yeah
[05:03] <DanC_ub> hmm... I got the whole jack/qsynth/realtime working on a vanilla debian box a few months ago. Maybe I'll go back to that. But I expect it won't play nicely with desktop beeps and such... or will it?
[05:03] <turf> hi!; where could i get flash player for ppc arch.?
[05:03] <HrdwrBoB> DanC_ub: it all uses gstreamer
[05:03] <HrdwrBoB> DanC_ub: you can change the default gstreamer sink
[05:03] <HrdwrBoB> with gstreamer plugins :)
[05:04] <DanC_ub> and gstreamer and jack-it get along OK?
[05:04] <^thehatsrule^> isnt the flash player the same?
[05:04] <HrdwrBoB> gstreamer is good - it's the future
[05:04] <geppy> DanC_ub: No =(
[05:04] <geppy> DanC_ub: Well, sometimes.
[05:04] <black_nightmare> flonne -- whats with all the different 'fat' types?? (including vfat too)
[05:04] <black_nightmare> or....should I rather ask someone instead
[05:04] <Flonne> black_nightmare, Windows support. fat: fat16; vfat: fat32.
[05:04] <camargo> HrdwrBoB, it is, but if irrc gstreamer still has some problems with realtime apps...
[05:05] <Arnia> black_nightmare: Each FAT type corresponds to a different sized file allocation table
[05:05] <Xeon3D> how does one install nvidia drivers for hoary?
[05:05] <geppy> DanC_ub: If you install the ALSA JACK plugin, you can use it with Gstreamer with pretty nice results, that's what I do.
[05:05] <Arnia> FAT12 was 12 bit, FAT16 was 16bit and FAT32 was 32bit
[05:05] <black_nightmare> fat12...when did they even use that?
[05:05] <HrdwrBoB> camargo: probably, I don't do any realtime stuff
[05:05] <Flonne> FAT12 was almost never seen.
[05:05] <black_nightmare> duh thought so
[05:05] <Flonne> 'Cept floppies...
[05:05] <black_nightmare> fat16 --- 0kb to 500MB ... fat32 for higher
[05:05] <DanC_ub> and realtime, right geppy?
[05:05] <HrdwrBoB> black_nightmare: it's used on some usb devices
[05:05] <Flonne> Ignore me.
[05:06] <black_nightmare> am I right?
[05:06] <DanC_ub> jackd doesn't seem to be very happy without realtime
[05:06] <black_nightmare> hrdwr...well if I'm doing a 68k mac kernel... usb is 100% useless lol
[05:06] <geppy> DanC_ub: Right.
[05:06] <black_nightmare> guess I'll remove fat12 from this config file then
[05:06] <Flonne> Fat16 was 0-2GB, but it sucked.
[05:06] <DanC_ub> I think I'm gonna go watch ER. I shall have to ponder all these things.
[05:06] <geppy> DanC_ub: Realtime-lsm is very easy to install, though.  If you use 'module-assistant', it has an ncurses interface to help you with it.
[05:06] <Flonne> No, leave it in.
[05:06] <geppy> DanC_ub: Alright, enjoy!
[05:06] <Flonne> I think it was used for floppies.
[05:06] <DanC_ub> ok, thanks for the clues.
[05:07] <Xeon3D> can anyone direct me to a howto \ tutorial on how to install the nvidia drivers for ubuntu?
[05:07] <Flonne> I don't remember, but it's probably safer to retain that one.
[05:07] <crimsun> Xeon3D: they're already installed.
[05:07] <black_nightmare> hm ok..I'll leave all 'fat' in then
[05:07] <crimsun> Xeon3D: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:07] <Flonne> NTFS is something you can probably do without.
[05:07] <black_nightmare> flonne..that was already commented out..I deleted it anyhow ;)
[05:07] <black_nightmare> 'hpfs' <any idea?
[05:07] <^thehatsrule^> what about winFS? :P
[05:08] <^thehatsrule^> hpfs is ntfs no?
[05:08] <Flonne> You can drop that, black_nightmare.
[05:08] <ice_1963> apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:08] <Arnia> winFS is just a layer on NTFS isn't it?
[05:08] <Flonne> WinFS is a joke. ^^
[05:08] <black_nightmare> ah ok
[05:08] <Arnia> Flonne: Why is it a joke?
[05:08] <camargo> winfs is the future :)
[05:08] <^thehatsrule^> dunno, its supposedly the new windows format... for longhorn
[05:08] <black_nightmare> so anything with 'fs' is windows or no?
[05:08] <^thehatsrule^> lol no!
[05:08] <black_nightmare> neverminding HFS on mac
[05:08] <^thehatsrule^> theres jfs... xfs i think
[05:08] <Flonne> Arnia, it's more like an SQL-based varant of NTFS.
[05:08] <black_nightmare> lol thehat..ok ok
[05:08] <camargo> winfs = windows + sql server
[05:08] <^thehatsrule^> :P
[05:09] <Flonne> jfs and xfs aren't things you're (personally) likely to use.
[05:09] <Arnia> Flonne: It also reinvents RDF poorly and misses the point in many ways... which irks me a bit :)
[05:09] <Flonne> They have applications, but you probably won't need them.
[05:09] <^thehatsrule^> heh, yea... i still use ext2/3...
[05:09] <Xeon3D> and hpfs was the precussor of NTFS.. used mostly on OS/2
[05:09] <Flonne> Arnia, what
[05:09] <Flonne> Arnia, that's why I said it's a joke.
[05:09] <^thehatsrule^> then why does it list it as ntfs/hpfs usually?
[05:09] <black_nightmare> affs...hfs...hfsplus.....befs...bfs....efs....cramfs....hpfs....sysv.....ufs
[05:09] <^thehatsrule^> haha
[05:10] <brainZzZ> i don't know why they even list it as 79
[05:10] <Xeon3D> because there a little similar...
[05:10] <Flonne> ^thehatsrule^, because they're very similar.
[05:10] <black_nightmare> I'm thinking I only have to retain hfs, hfsplus, and ufs
[05:10] <black_nightmare> am I wrong?
[05:10] <Arnia> Flonne: The idea of a flexible relational system isn't a joke... their implementation is ;)
[05:10] <Xeon3D> HPFS = NTFS from NT4.
[05:10] <^thehatsrule^> ah k
[05:10] <^thehatsrule^> ohhh
[05:10] <Xeon3D> NTFS from Win2000 \ XP is different.
[05:10] <^thehatsrule^> mmk
[05:10] <Flonne> black_nightmare, keep ext2 and the fats just in case.
[05:10] <Xeon3D> sorry for my english, but i'm not a naive speaker.
[05:10] <Xeon3D> *native
[05:10] <black_nightmare> flonne..these aren't in the line list I said lol
[05:11] <camargo> black_nightmare, vfat shoud do the job..
[05:11] <^thehatsrule^> i always keep a fat16 or fat32 partition...
[05:11] <Flonne> camargo, have you ever seen a fat32 floppy?
[05:11] <black_nightmare> so I guess I should delete all but 3 that I mentioned in my line  list above then?
[05:11] <camargo> Flonne, nopes
[05:11] <PacoBCN> weird, I have to restart dbus-1 in order to make appear all my drives in gnome...
[05:12] <camargo> Flonne, i though he is configuring a new kernel... neverming
[05:12] <camargo> ops, nevermind
[05:12] <Arnia> PacoBCN: Gnome-Volume-Manager uses HAL which uses DBUS
[05:12] <Flonne> camargo, he's building a kernel for a Mac.
[05:12] <PacoBCN> Arnia, sorry?
[05:12] <black_nightmare> a 68k mac to be exact :p
[05:13] <Arnia> PacoBCN: The reason why restarting DBUS caused that effect
[05:13] <Arnia> PacoBCN: The volume manager works using HAL across DBUS
[05:13] <PacoBCN> Arnia, and what's the reason why it doesn't show at the beginning?
[05:13] <Arnia> PacoBCN: Is HAL being loaded after DBUS?
[05:14] <black_nightmare> whats 'pseudo filesystems' anyhow?
[05:14] <Arnia> Misunderstood what you were saying before. Sorry
[05:14] <PacoBCN> Arnia, I don't have a clue
[05:14] <black_nightmare> oh and if I delete a line from 'partition types' that would just mean it can't set up a partition in that particular filetype anymore....right?
[05:15] <PacoBCN> I just wanted my drives to be shown in gnome when I boot
[05:15] <dex1> Pfft. I rebooted having installed the linux-headers, ready to re-run the vmware tools installer and now when it starts it loads to the gnome login screen. It ignores ctrl-alt-f1. and ctrl-alt-backspace takes me to a login prompt for a moment but then it exists back to the greeter login (it's chosen a different one now). aah!
[05:15] <dex1> how can i exit?
[05:15] <^thehatsrule^> change the runlevel to 2?
[05:15] <black_nightmare> anyone? :-)
[05:16] <^thehatsrule^> i dont get what youre saying black_nightmare :/
[05:16] <black_nightmare> sorry...I think I better go to bed and ask again tomorrow
[05:16] <black_nightmare> a bit tired now here
[05:16] <Flonne> black_nightmare, it means it can't handle it at all.
[05:16] <sal002> woah...upgraded to waory and GDN is wavy
[05:16] <black_nightmare> thanks for the bit of help at start anyhow
[05:17] <black_nightmare> flonne..ok ty...there's many that I wouldn't even need.. especially amiga partitions?? rofl
[05:17] <black_nightmare> bye now :p
[05:17] <robertj> dex1: kill it 6 times in a minute and it won't restart
[05:17] <^thehatsrule^> holy crap... you must have a lot of partitions...
[05:17] <Flonne> ^thehatsrule^, the Linux kernel supports a lot of stuff.
[05:18] <^thehatsrule^> hehe :P
[05:18] <saik0> yay for macrokernels? =\
[05:18] <Flonne> Monolithic kernel design is love.
[05:19] <^thehatsrule^> monolith.... nice game engine ;p
[05:19] <sal002> How do you configure Xorg fromt eh command line? Xorg -configure says "Missing output drivers.  Configuration failed"
[05:19] <saik0> hey, building gimp 2.2.4 from source requires GTK+ 2.2.4. Is this avialaible from the repoos or am I gonna have to buld that from source or maybe find a deb?
[05:20] <^thehatsrule^> gtk has binaries i believe
[05:20] <sal002> Is the vesa driver broken in Xorg?
[05:20] <saik0> sal002, u mean edit the xorg.conf?
[05:21] <sal002> Yes...generate it again...since it is clearly broken
[05:21] <camargo> saik0, gtk-dev 2.6.4 is on the repoos
[05:22] <sal002> apt-get configure xorg-server?
[05:22] <saik0> camargo, danke was looking for the wrong package
[05:24] <sal002> Is there a way to reconfigure a previously installed package?
[05:24] <Flonne> dpkg-reconfigure, sal002.
[05:24] <kpeterson> On hoary, when I download things and "save to disk" using firefox, they do not show up until I restart gnome.  Has anyone else experienced this problem?
[05:25] <Homie> hey can someone help me with setting up my sound card
[05:25] <Homie> it didnt detect it
[05:25] <Flonne> What type of card, Homie?
[05:25] <sal002> Thanks!
[05:25] <Homie> sound blaster
[05:25] <Homie> or a cmi 8330
[05:25] <Homie> there is 2
[05:25] <Homie> lol
[05:25] <Homie> one is built in
[05:25] <Homie> and i have another one added
[05:26] <saik0> looks like alsa is outputting to the onboard sound by default
[05:26] <Flonne> Do you get any results when you run `cat /proc/asound/cards`?
[05:26] <Homie> havent done anything
[05:26] <Homie> i jsut got linux like a few days ago
[05:26] <Homie> jsut learning how to do shit
[05:26] <Flonne> Ah.
[05:27] <Flonne> As saik0 suggested, try changing the card to which your speakers are connected.
[05:27] <Homie> hey
[05:27] <Flonne> If that works, you can fix it easily.
[05:27] <Homie> there is something in my device manager
[05:27] <Homie> but how do i enable it
[05:27] <Homie> ?
[05:28] <Dreamer3_> ok, hoary is officially cool
[05:28] <Dreamer3_> and i'm officially hungry
[05:28] <saik0> hungry hungry hedgehogs?
[05:28] <jsgotangco> hhehe
[05:28] <Arnia> Do you have form HTR3-7 to verify your state of hunger?
[05:29] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: no, can you fax it to me? *laughs*
[05:29] <DocUb> lol
[05:29] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:29] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[05:29] <Dreamer3_> man, i don't know were else to look for cool stuff in hoary though
[05:29] <Jamminpotato> randabis, fixdisk didnt work
[05:29] <DocUb> Synaptic
[05:29] <Homie> flonne: it says ensoniq audio pci
[05:29] <jsgotangco> just look at synaptic
[05:29] <Jamminpotato> neither did a repair install
[05:29] <DocUb> apt-get
[05:29] <Homie> when i do that command
[05:29] <Arnia> If not, please fill out form HTR3-1 in triplicate and signed by a high-court barrister
[05:29] <jsgotangco> youll see the stuff that might interest you
[05:30] <jsgotangco> or just apt-cache search blah
[05:30] <PacoBCN> Guys, one question. I found the script to link xine through moxplugger to firefox (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17727&page=3&pp=10) but when I try to run it I find an error in first line (syntax error near unexpected token `[,] '). Can you hel me?
[05:30] <DocUb> yea
[05:30] <Flonne> Okay, Homie, so what if you plug your speakers into the other card?
[05:30] <Homie> shit i gotta go
[05:30] <Homie> nothing
[05:30] <Homie> i get nothing
[05:30] <Arnia> Send it to the Home Office and they'll send your HTR3-6 which can be exchanged for HTR3-7 at the post office on Tuesdays when its raining
[05:30] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: you busy?
[05:30] <jsgotangco> i find useless stuff in the repos but are fun nonetheless
[05:30] <johtrsamp\> hay how come ubuntu doesn't have things such as sshd by default?
[05:31] <Homie> but what do i have to install ?
[05:31] <Flonne> Homie, how are you testing them?
[05:31] <Dreamer3_> johtrsamp\: because it's a "Secure by default" install... just apt-get install sshd
[05:31] <jsgotangco> hi Flonne
[05:31] <Arnia> Dreamer3_: do you use lots of GTk1 apps?
[05:31] <Flonne> johtrsamp\, a lot of people have no idea what SSH is. :(
[05:31] <Jamminpotato> i tried to boot winXP after installing ubuntu yester aday and ubuntu works fine...but when i try to run xp through grub it says NTLDR missing
[05:31] <johtrsamp\> Dreamer3_, it says there is no sshd, is that because I have a bad mirror?
[05:31] <Flonne> Hi, jsgotangco.
[05:31] <Homie> when i open volume control
[05:31] <Homie> it says
[05:31] <Jamminpotato> and i tryed running repair console with the command fixdisk
[05:31] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: nah, but thinking of putting together a nice custom DSL cd, and i'd want it to look good :)
[05:31] <Jamminpotato> it didnt work
[05:31] <Jamminpotato> then i did a reapir install it didnt work
[05:32] <Dreamer3_> johtrsamp\: apt-cache search ssh
[05:32] <jsgotangco> your xp is borked
[05:32] <Homie> no mixer elements or devices found
[05:32] <Arnia> Dreamer3_: Ah
[05:32] <Jamminpotato> jsgotangco, any way to fix it
[05:32] <^thehatsrule^> XP recovery console!
[05:32] <sal002> woah...opening terminal in hoary crashed my system
[05:32] <johtrsamp\> ic Flonne ,  so I suppose ubuntu is aimed at the less linux expearenced crowd
[05:32] <drbombay43> yellow all , just installed hoary cant get sound audigy2? please help
[05:32] <Homie> flonne: what will i have to do to get that to work ?
[05:32] <Jamminpotato> ^thehatsrule^, what exaactly should id do in xp recovery console
[05:32] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: what's up?
[05:32] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: i've been playing around with DSLinux in my spare time and have falled in love with the idea of a silent (no moving parts computer) running from Flash, but that limits you spacewise a lot
[05:32] <Flonne> Homie, you'll probably have to change the order in which your cards are loaded.
[05:33] <Homie> yeah but it only loaded one card
[05:33] <^thehatsrule^> well... guess youd have to resort to format...
[05:33] <^thehatsrule^> then install hoary
[05:33] <^thehatsrule^> :)
[05:33] <Homie> it only detected one
[05:33] <Arnia> johtrsamp\: Its aimed at anyone who wants a system that Just Works ;)
[05:33] <Homie> that onboard one wasnt detected
[05:33] <Homie> cause it doesnt detect in widows wiether
[05:33] <Jamminpotato> ^thehatsrule^, well i already have hoary on here i just also want xp to work
[05:33] <Homie> i had to manulay install it
[05:33] <Arnia> Dreamer3_: I guess it would... you do have a few gig to play with though
[05:33] <^thehatsrule^> lol dang
[05:33] <johtrsamp\> yes Arnia :)
[05:33] <Jamminpotato> ^thehatsrule^, i tried running fixdisk from recovery ocnsole but it didnt work
[05:33] <jsgotangco> Ubuntu has everything it needs to run out of the box no more no less thats its aim thats why it fits only on 1 CD
[05:33] <^thehatsrule^> Jamminpotato, what is the error?
[05:33] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: few gig? you must be talking more flash than I am :)
[05:33] <Flonne> Homie, what card did you add to your system?
[05:33] <^thehatsrule^> when you try to boot that is
[05:34] <saik0> Homie, if you never use the onboard sound you might try just diabling it in your BIOS
[05:34] <Jamminpotato> ^thehatsrule^, "NTLDR missing"
[05:34] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: the original ISO is 50mb... i was thinking a 512mb or 1g flash
[05:34] <johtrsamp\> Dreamer3_, does the package ssh have sshd in it too?
[05:34] <Homie> ok
[05:34] <^thehatsrule^> Jamminpotato, hm ive seen that before.... seomtime...
[05:34] <Homie> well i have to go
[05:34] <saik0> Homie, that fixed my alsa problems when I was running 2.4
[05:34] <Homie> ill be bck on tomorrow
[05:34] <Dreamer3_> johtrsamp\: that's why i said apt-cache show ssh, it should tell you
[05:34] <light_punch2> does ubuntu have kernel 2.4.x as option?
[05:34] <Arnia> johtrsamp\: open-ssh?
[05:34] <Jamminpotato> ^thehatsrule^, and i ahve a lan party tommorow and i dont have time for a clean install so i have to get it cooking soon
[05:34] <geneo93> Homie:  thats because it diabled in bios
[05:35] <^thehatsrule^> clean install only takes 1/2 hour ;p
[05:35] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: it's sold on as little at 64mb flash... 54 mb iso parition, 10mb data... :)
[05:35] <Arnia> Hmm...
[05:35] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: but i think i'd want to add a lot of stuff... make a real cd with all my fav apps to use anywhere, anytime
[05:35] <johtrsamp\> ic Dreamer3_ , it does :)
[05:35] <Arnia> Dreamer3_: What device is this?
[05:36] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: Damn SMall LInux, running on a mini-itx board with flash to IDE converter
[05:36] <Jamminpotato> ANYONE KNOW HOW TO FIX THE "NTLDR missing" ERROR WHEN I BOOT XP?, ith nk it has something to do with the ubuntu install i did yester day, and i try and boot xp through grub and it gives me sid error
[05:36] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: i'm really tired of my noisy even my laptop is
[05:36] <HKSDU> light-punch2: does ubuntu install 2.6 as default?
[05:36] <Jamminpotato> ^thehatsrule^, its hl2 nad ut2004 that take a while to isntall
[05:36] <robertj> HKSDU: sure does
[05:36] <brainZzZ> the hdd on my laptop is dead...
[05:36] <Bukkake> So is my dog
[05:36] <HKSDU> robertj: thanks
[05:36] <johtrsamp\> when trying to apt-get install ssh I get this
[05:37] <johtrsamp\> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:37] <johtrsamp\>  /var/cache/apt/archives/ssh_1%3a3.8.1p1-8.sarge.4_i386.deb
[05:37] <johtrsamp\> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:37] <randabis> Jamminpotato: /fixmbr
[05:37] <^thehatsrule^> Jamminpotato, those works in ubuntu too :P well, nothing on google?
[05:37] <Flonne> Jamminpotato, consult Micorosft's support stuff. It isn't an uncommon error, even on systems that only have NT5 installed.
[05:37] <Arnia> Dreamer3_: Aha... I'm thinking about building custom information systems hardware for field agents of businesses to integrate with the server and desktop software we're designing. Would this be suitable?
[05:37] <Flonne> NT breaks very, very easily.
[05:37] <Jamminpotato> Flonne, ^thehatsrule^  and randabis thank you
[05:37] <i0n_st0rm> hmm.. i know i saw a link to this is one of the forums but i can't seem to find it again. does anyone happen to know the fix for more than one sound playing at once?
[05:37] <kakalto> is there a guide to getting scanning working under ubuntu?
[05:37] <ice_1963> good night
[05:37] <Arnia> Dreamer3_: Although I guess writing symbian stuff for mobiles might be better
[05:37] <randabis> Jamminpotato: if that doesn't work, you broke your windows
[05:37] <Jamminpotato> randabis...is fixmbr run from the recovery ocnsole?
[05:37] <randabis> yes
[05:38] <dex1> Anyone have experience of Ubuntu under Vmware or other 'virtual' software under a Win32 system and fancy relaying their experiences?
[05:38] <^thehatsrule^> http://www.buildorbuy.org/win2000ntldr.html
[05:38] <Flonne> randabis, won't fixmbr overwrite GRUB?
[05:38] <^thehatsrule^> Jamminpotato http://www.buildorbuy.org/win2000ntldr.html
[05:38] <randabis> Flonne: yes
[05:38] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: um yeah... mini-itx is just mainboard, processor, video, etc... on tiny board... good for small, silent, embedded systems... you still need keyboard, mouse, etc...
[05:38] <Jamminpotato> Flonne, i jwill deal with grub later, ireally need xp up tommorow
[05:38] <kakalto> anyone?
[05:38] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: but if i had a large company and most people did data entry or something i think i'd put silent PCs on everyone's desk :)
[05:38] <brainZzZ> but you still need to add that acct to acl's if you want your iis server to be secure.
[05:38] <^thehatsrule^> Jamminpotato, it just seems like youre missing boot info... or it has been moved/deleted/corrupted
[05:39] <Arnia> Dreamer3_: Worth bearing in mind if a client needs that though...VNCing through to a server that does the meaty stuff
[05:39] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: about the same cost as a NICE XP system, but no noise at all
[05:39] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: i'm just telling you you're talking real computers, not hand helds :)
[05:39] <mercurus> Dreamer3_: I have two silent machines
[05:39] <Dreamer3_> mercurus: mini-itx?
[05:39] <mercurus> no, wafer
[05:40] <Dreamer3_> mercurus: wafer?
[05:40] <mercurus> Wizards they're called
[05:40] <Dreamer3_> mercurus: PCs?
[05:40] <mercurus> 233s, with 32 MB RAM
[05:40] <Dreamer3_> mercurus: x86?
[05:40] <mercurus> Cyrix based x86
[05:40] <Dreamer3_> mercurus: what do you run on them?
[05:40] <mercurus> I ran one for about a year as a router with debian woody
[05:40] <Flonne> Cyrix chips are nice.
[05:40] <mercurus> best uptime I got was about 4 months
[05:40] <Dreamer3_> mercurus: you have hard drives in them though?
[05:40] <Jamminpotato> if i fixmbr and it doesnt acutally fix windows, i wont have nay working os installed
[05:40] <mercurus> Dreamer3: yeah, laptop HDDs, 5 gigish
[05:41] <Dreamer3_> mercurus: see i'm talking all run from flash :)
[05:41] <mercurus> but I have put a 40 gig laptop drive in one (which I need to setup)
[05:41] <martinhj> Jamminpotato, correct
[05:41] <johtrsamp\> I can not get this ssh working :(
[05:41] <Dreamer3_> mercurus: once you add a HD you add moving parts, noise... and it becomes really EASY to do anything
[05:41] <Jamminpotato> martinhj, well i ahve hoary live cd
[05:41] <Flonne> Jamminpotato, download and burn a LiveCD.
[05:41] <mercurus> Dreamer3_: it has 2 USB controllers, so I could plug a thumbdrive in and run from flash :)
[05:41] <dex1> HOW can I get the machine out of the Gnome greeter gui thing? When I ctrl-alt-backspace it goes to text mode for about 3 seonds then back to the logon screen. it ignores ctrl-alt-f1. I need to be in full text mode
[05:41] <martinhj> Jamminpotato, it's solveable :-)
[05:42] <mercurus> dex1, open a terminal, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[05:42] <rdw200169> i have hoary 5.04 on amd 64... tried upgrading to kernel 2.6.11 by installing the kernel image... but it won't load gdm
[05:42] <mercurus> then Ctrl-Alt-F1
[05:42] <Jamminpotato> Flonne, already have hoary live :)
[05:42] <mercurus> rdw200169, do you have nvidia or ATI binary drivers ?
[05:42] <Dreamer3_> mercurus: i'm just thinking for normal client (e-mail, surfing, web design) use a silent PC could be really cool
[05:42] <Flonne> Jamminpotato, just making sure you have something to fallback on. ^^
[05:42] <rdw200169> mercurus: nvidia
[05:42] <saik0> rdw200169, are you using proprietary drivers as a kernel module?
[05:42] <johtrsamp\> do different apt mirrors have different files on them?
[05:42] <Jamminpotato> Flonne, thanks
[05:42] <rdw200169> mercurus: for the video card?
[05:42] <dex1> merc: is that something I need to reverse after I've done what I need to do from the login prompt?
[05:43] <Arnia> Dreamer3_: webdesign with that little space? Err...
[05:43] <saik0> rdw200169, ah, you'll need to build the kernel module for your new kernel
[05:43] <kakalto> has anyone got their scanner working under linux?
[05:43] <mercurus> rdw200169, ok, you need to either change your X config to use the nv driver, not the nvidia0 driver ... or just re-install drivers, and change the config back
[05:43] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: sure :) firefox, a slim gtk editor ftp, scp, rsync :)
[05:43] <Br34ch> Scanner . . . as in, paper scanning and such on? Or IP scanning?
[05:43] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: what more do i need :)
[05:43] <Br34ch> u h4x0r..
[05:43] <mercurus> dex1, that'll stop GNOME, so you just need to restart it with sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:43] <saik0> rdw200169, you can download the installer from nvidia's site
[05:44] <mercurus> what do you need to do from a tty that you can't do from a pty ?
[05:44] <rdw200169> mercurus, saik0: i have to install the drivers while booted in the 2.6.11 kernel, right
[05:44] <mercurus> rdw200169, yep
[05:44] <dex1> mercurus: installing vmware tools
[05:44] <geppy> Egads!
[05:45] <saik0> rdw200169, you'll need to grab the kernel headers to do so
[05:45] <geppy> =(
[05:45] <rdw200169> mercurus, saik0: i guess that goes the same for my wireless drivers...?
[05:45] <Arnia> Dreamer3_: Different idea of design to me then
[05:45] <mercurus> lol @ april fools day lilo msg
[05:45] <geppy> OH!
[05:45] <geppy> Damnit.
[05:45] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: *laughs* what's your idea? :)
[05:45] <mercurus> dex1, fair enough
[05:45] <geppy> It's not April Fools' day here, yet.
[05:45] <kakalto> april fools is over.
[05:45] <mercurus> rdw200169, maybe ... how did you get them ?
[05:46] <rdw200169> mercurus, saik0: i got them from some monkeys...
[05:46] <turf> where could i get flash player for ppc arch.?
[05:46] <mercurus> kakalto, where are you ... it is midday April 1 here ...
[05:46] <Arnia> Dreamer3_: I'd need Gimp, Inkscape etc
[05:46] <Liz> if the servers are going down, will it affect us in here?
[05:46] <kakalto> it's past 12:00 here, so april fools is over
[05:46] <kakalto> anyone who does jokes now is the fool
[05:46] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: ah, gimp isn't THAT huge... i'm thinking i might get up to 100mb or so... :)
[05:46] <mercurus> Dreamer3_: I really need some time to get my wizards going again, they were really great ... because they were silent.
[05:46] <kakalto> 15:46
[05:46] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: i think the one they sell is the store comes with 256mb flash
[05:46] <kakalto> 1st April
[05:47] <mercurus> they are smaller than a Liteon Optical drive unit
[05:47] <saik0> always wondered why the GIMP came packaged with ubuntu base?
[05:47] <Dreamer3_> mercurus: link?
[05:47] <mercurus> Dreamer3_: not sure, they're pretty rare ... hang on
[05:48] <geppy> Agh, that's a sick, sick joke.
[05:48] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: my bad, 512mb flash, 256 memory, i'd prolly reverse it
[05:48] <rdw200169> mercurus, saik0: so, all i need is nvidia drivers and kernel headers right?
[05:49] <kakalto> has anyone here got the hp psc 2410 photosmart all-in-one printer/scanner/copier to scan something under warty?
[05:49] <saik0> rdw200169, not sure about the wireless. thats all you'll need to get X running though
[05:49] <rdw200169> mercurus, saik0: thanks
[05:49] <Dreamer3_> ok, brb
[05:50] <Liz> bye all
[05:50] <kakalto> ?
[05:52] <Jamminpotato> :(
[05:52] <Jamminpotato> :(
[05:52] <Jamminpotato> :(
[05:52] <Jamminpotato> :(
[05:52] <Jamminpotato> :(
[05:52] <helio7> did everyone else get that lilo message from the irc server?
[05:52] <Jamminpotato> :(
[05:52] <Jamminpotato> :(
[05:52] <Jamminpotato> :(
[05:52] <Jamminpotato> :(
[05:52] <fabbione> helio7: yeah..
[05:52] <helio7> I guess the irc server is Windows and under attack or something is that right?
[05:52] <fabbione> it's 1st of Apr
[05:53] <fabbione> you know?
[05:53] <helio7> oh no LOL i'm still in 31 of march here
[05:53] <Jamminpotato> randabis, it didnt work.... any ideas Flonne
[05:54] <rdw200169> we work in GMT here...
[05:55] <mercurus> Dreamer3_: I can't find the sodding thing ... there are a few pages describing them
[05:55] <geneo93> spammer
[05:56] <Nariab> i <3 ubuntu
[05:56] <^thehatsrule^> spammer? where!
[05:56] <^thehatsrule^> oh
[05:56] <geneo93> lilo
[05:56] <brainZzZ> i knew a guy who made an anagram out of the soliloquy from hamlet
[05:56] <Jamminpotato> ^thehatsrule^, how do i install grub form a live cd?
[05:56] <^thehatsrule^> Jamminpotato... did you check out my link?
[05:56] <geneo93> all them
[05:56] <Jamminpotato> ^thehatsrule^, ilooked at it.... its somewhat confusing
[05:57] <mercurus> Dreamer3_: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/wizard/ <-- mailing list with info
[05:57] <^thehatsrule^> oh... why? it seems liike what i did before
[05:59] <dex1> STILL NOT WORKING. :( Vmware tools installer asked the directory of C header files that matched my running kernel.
[05:59] <dex1> As advised here I'd run the command "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)" and was advised to then enter the path on request as: /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r). It complained it was not an existing directory. I'm currently logged in at the prompt via sudo -s -H if that makes any difference (possibly wasn't when I installed that pkge above). Suggestions??
[06:00] <crimsun> dex1: I believe you need to pass /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/include
[06:00] <dex1> thanks, trying now
[06:00] <crimsun> dex1: vmware requires additional tomfoolery
[06:01] <dex1> Does it work better under M$oft Virtual PC? (which I don't have thus far)
[06:02] <crimsun> dex1: no idea.
[06:03] <^thehatsrule^> install kernel sources yet?
[06:04] <dex1> me? yes I sudo apt'get'd install linux-headers yeah
[06:04] <dex1> crimsun: that didn't work, still 'not an existing path or directory' :/
[06:04] <jakeb> Gah, I'm trying to get Java going... I am using java-package to create a package... but Java programs/applets seem to be hanging
[06:05] <dex1> is it because I sudo -s -H  'd to swtich to root user but had installed that while under my own username with the sudo prefix?
[06:05] <jakeb> for example Azureus detects Java then hangs for a long time and then gives an error:   java.net.ConnectException: Connection timed out
[06:05] <Zepticon> hi... Im new in linux and Ubuntu is my first distro. I have a LCD screen that supports 1280x1024 pixels, but i cant seem to adjust the screen size to anything bigger than 1024x768... What am i doing wrong?
[06:05] <_phate_> Is the release candidate the same as the preview?
[06:05] <robitaille> _phate_,  no
[06:05] <jakeb> _phate_: no
[06:06] <martinhj> what is the greatest differences?
[06:06] <synd`> hey guys
[06:06] <_phate_> whats the diff?
[06:06] <martinhj> saw the rc iso file was a little bigger
[06:06] <synd`> whats the DMA command to enable it?
[06:06] <brainZzZ> which means that to see that information you need to enable it and reboot.
[06:06] <synd`> i mean the command to enable DMA in hoary
[06:06] <^thehatsrule^> Zepticon, change the xorg/xfree config?
[06:06] <jakeb> well for one, it will have updated packages, and maybe the installer is updated too, not sure
[06:06] <Zepticon> how do i do that?
[06:07] <^thehatsrule^> synd`, parma something i belive
[06:07] <robitaille> marcus|,   hopefully less bugs in the release candidate; they had quite a few days there to solve bugs
[06:07] <synd`> ^thehatsrule^, yeah..
[06:07] <_phate_> synd`: it should be enabled by default if your sys supports it
[06:07] <dex1> any ideas anyone? :D
[06:07] <synd`> _phate_, im in hoary.. i dont think it does.
[06:07] <^thehatsrule^> Zepticon if you cant do it in the gnome preferences, you can edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 i think
[06:08] <_phate_> synd`: when you boot up it should tell you if your sys has DMA
[06:08] <synd`> _phate_, CD is skipping. just upgraded today.. didnt do it in warty
[06:08] <alka_trash> anyone seen gimpshop around these parts
[06:08] <alka_trash> ?
[06:08] <synd`> _phate_, is there not a command to see if its enable w/o having to reboot?
[06:08] <icarus> synd:  you can try hdparm /dev/hda at the prompt and see what it says.
[06:08] <deFrysk>  sudo hdparm -d /dev/hda
[06:09] <_phate_> alka_trash: gimpshop is for mac only
[06:09] <_phate_> synd`: i dunno
[06:09] <synd`> icarus, deFrysk: thanks
[06:10] <synd`> /dev/hda:
[06:10] <synd`>  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[06:10] <synd`> ugh
[06:10] <deFrysk> cool
[06:10] <synd`> if its not the DMA, then what is it? I have the same exact problem on my laptop which i upped to hoary today as well
[06:11] <pablo928> Hi, can't remember the command to set-up the driver for Xorg. Can anyone help?
[06:11] <alka_trash> about gimp shop from the website
[06:11] <alka_trash> UPDATE! codemills.com has graciously ported GIMPshop to Linux. RPMed. Heres the link to his post where you can find the file. Thanks, Anshuman!
[06:11] <PacoBCN> what problem are you talking about in laptops?
[06:11] <sal002> what gives you autogen.sh (which package)?
[06:11] <alka_trash> http://codemills.com/blog/?p=4
[06:12] <synd`> PacoBCN, when I play a CD.. it skips awkwardly
[06:12] <dex1> Not existing directory?? The VMware tools installer [on XP host]  asked the directory of C header files that matched my running kernel.  As advised I'd run the command "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)" and as advised then entered the path on request: /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r). It complained it was not an existing directory. I *also* tried that path with /include on the end without success; still claims not an existing path. :/ I'm cur
[06:12] <alka_trash> the site has exceeded the given bandwidth, but there was a RPM there and source
[06:12] <PacoBCN> synd, I don't have this problem
[06:13] <synd`> PacoBCN, I have it on both of my hoary computers
[06:13] <icarus> synd: check man hdparm to tweak the cd drive.
[06:13] <synd`> icarus, how exactly do i do that
[06:13] <synd`> sudo man hdparm
[06:13] <synd`> ?
[06:13] <dex1> would the /usr/ directory I'm referencing be the same once I changed to su (via sudo -s -H) ?
[06:14] <dex1> synd: with the keyboard from a terminal mode. type :)
[06:14] <icarus> synd, just man hdparm.  it's detailed and should help you.
[06:14] <sal002> Is there a meta package for gcc and all that fun stuff (including autogen.sh)?
[06:14] <helio7> by responding to lilo that doesn't broadcast to everyone on the server does it?
[06:14] <synd`> dex1, thanks, i know.
[06:15] <inva|id> is there a way to become root in a terminal, so you don't have to type sudo in front of everything? (like su in mandrake)
[06:15] <dex1> inv: su -s -H
[06:15] <kpeterson> inva|id sudo -s -H
[06:15] <deFrysk> inva|id, sudo gnome-terminal
[06:16] <dex1> sal: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[06:16] <dex1> So does anyone know what the path to enter should be? :(
[06:16] <inva|id> ty
[06:16] <deFrysk> kpeterson, cool
[06:17] <sal002> dex1: Does that include autogen.sh?
[06:18] <dex1> sal: dk
[06:18] <sal002> perfect!  Thank you!
[06:18] <sal002> Heh - I like PearPC.net's April fools message
[06:18] <inva|id> another question: say I want to change all files ending in .XXX to .xxx - how to do this? mv *.XXX ?
[06:18] <dex1> crimsun: Might "/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/include" not be a valid path because I installed linux headers whilst logged in as the normal username prefixed with sudo BUT are running the vmtools installer from root by way of sudo -s -H ?
[06:19] <_phate_> is there a feature comparison somewhere between GNOME and KDE?
[06:19] <pablo928> I need to set my video driver from terminal, can't start desktop. Can anyone help? I'm running an old SIS onboard video card .
[06:19] <Br34ch> I'm gonna do that.. thing.. that thing the girl did in Milwaukee, kidnapper herself for April's fool last year. Yeah. I'm gonna do that.
[06:19] <sal002> dex: Still don't have autogen.sh
[06:19] <Kamakazie> I doubt anyone knows how to mount a psp in Ubuntu do they?
[06:20] <Kamakazie> didnt think so
[06:20] <dex1> sal: I've no idea. you could search at http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/. I'm new to this myself
[06:20] <Kamakazie> guess ill try it as sda
[06:21] <crimsun> dex1: no, that's not generally the cause
[06:21] <mindwarp> anyone here running on amd64
[06:21] <crimsun> dex1: would you paste onto pastebin.com the entire error message?
[06:21] <mindwarp> After updating to the newest packages for amd64 ia32-libs_0.5ubuntu3_amd64.deb does not install: "error creating symbolic link `./usr/lib32/libGL.so.1`: No such file or directory
[06:22] <infie> Where might I find information on 5.04?
[06:22] <awb4422> the wiki
[06:22] <Kamakazie> Anyone know if its even possible to mount a Sony PSP in linux?
[06:22] <calc> infie: comes out next wed
[06:22] <icarus> dex1, did you compile your own kernel?
[06:23] <sartek> how do I mount a partition from a hdd I just connected (it's from another pc so it's already partitioned)
[06:23] <infie> is it likely to change from the release candidate
[06:23] <infie> and for that matter, can the RC be updated to the release?
[06:23] <synd`> ugh anyone know what to tweak in hdparm for this damned cdrw drive
[06:23] <infie> without a reinstall
[06:23] <mindwarp> infie: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog
[06:23] <calc> infie: you can install warty and upgrade to current
[06:23] <kpeterson> Kamakazie I know there are people working on the inverse proccess
[06:23] <dex1> icarus: no
[06:23] <konstantinos> hello folks!
[06:23] <Kamakazie> yea,
[06:23] <inva|id> how might I rename a bunch of files from .XXX to .xxx ?
[06:23] <dex1> ic: but I may have to
[06:24] <calc> hell if you knew enough about debian you could probably install debian 0.9x and upgrade through to hoary ;)
[06:24] <ChaosZ3RO> alsaconf was the only way I could get my sound to work before this release :S
[06:24] <calc> though the elf and libc6 transitions might be a bit of a pita
[06:25] <icarus> dex1, you could install kernel-package and build headers for your kernel.
[06:25] <konstantinos> while my USB modem is recognized (as seen in the "device manager"), the /dev/modem entry is apparently empty because whenever I try to connect using wvdial, I get the correspondent error message
[06:25] <konstantinos> what to do now?
[06:25] <mikelds> #ubuntu-es
[06:26] <ChaosZ3RO> oh nevermind....some sound is working
[06:26] <^thehatsrule^> inva|id, use mv *.xxx *.XXX ?
[06:26] <dex1> crimsun, that IS the entire error message. Pretty much? It's in mid-install (of vmware tools). It suggests "/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build/include" which isn't there so I override to tell it the "C header files that matched my running kernel" are at /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/include
[06:26] <dex1> still moaned though and said not a valid directory.
[06:27] <ChaosZ3RO> ahhhh beautiful, sound's working
[06:27] <ChaosZ3RO> well, erm, that's all from me
[06:27] <konstantinos> thehatsrule - you got it backwards, that should be:    mv *.XXX *.xxx
[06:27] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: oh... UseBios "false" doesn't work... it init the video and moving windows or anything results in snow... so it's not a permanent solution... any other ideas?
[06:27] <synd`> is /dev/hda my cdrom??
[06:28] <inva|id> ^thehatsrule^,
[06:28] <inva|id> # mv *.MOB *.mob
[06:28] <inva|id> mv: when moving multiple files, last argument must be a directory
[06:28] <inva|id> Try `mv --help' for more information.
[06:28] <^thehatsrule^> ah konstantinos, i read it wrong
[06:28] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: nope, sorry.
[06:28] <konstantinos> help anyone with an empty /dev/modem entry? how do I fix this?
[06:28] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: :-/
[06:28] <crimsun> dex1: use the recommended /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/include instead.  That's the preferred manner anyhow.
[06:28] <crimsun> dex1: make sure you have it installed.  dpkg -l linux-headers-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii
[06:28] <Nekohayo> hey people.. I'm looking for a name for an open source app... what do you prefer between Specto and Vigilo? ^^
[06:29] <dex1> trying now.
[06:29] <PacoBCN> anyone ever made irda work?
[06:29] <Flonne> What will it do, Nekohayo?
[06:29] <linuxpoet> Is there any package creation tools for Ubuntu?
[06:29] <^thehatsrule^> hm inva|id, im not sure if ubuntu has rename command... i usually use mv, but you could use cp *.a *.b then rm *.a
[06:29] <Nekohayo> Flonne, notify you of what happened while you were gone :)
[06:29] <linuxpoet> I am considering packaging up some of our products for it
[06:29] <icarus> synd, probably /dev/hdc
[06:29] <Nekohayo> Specto and vigilo are latin words for "watch"
[06:29] <^thehatsrule^> or rather rm -f *.a
[06:29] <^thehatsrule^> ;p
[06:30] <synd`> icarus,  thx again
[06:30] <Flonne> linuxpoet, it uses dpkg, the same basic tools as Debian.
[06:30] <dex1> neko: specto makes me thing of reading glasses wearers and vigilo makes me think of either a vagina or all-night vigil.
[06:30] <inva|id> ^thehatsrule^, ah I never thought about that, thanks
[06:30] <Flonne> Yes, I've taken several years of Latin.
[06:30] <^thehatsrule^> hehe np inva|id, if youre really lazy, and need it in the future, make an alias ;p
[06:30] <inva|id> hehe
[06:30] <Nekohayo> XD
[06:31] <turf> any one here havesuccessfuly install flash player in a ppc architecture?
[06:31] <synd`> icarus, i do the sudo hdparm -d /dev/hdc
[06:31] <Flonne> That said, what will it do?
[06:31] <synd`> icarus, and it comes up using_dma = 0 (off)
[06:31] <inva|id> ^thehatsrule^, actually, I get the same error with cp as I do with mv
[06:31] <inva|id> ^thehatsrule^, rename exists, I suppose I'll read the man file
[06:32] <synd`> icarus, but the man hdparm said that if i do hdparm -d, that it toggles it on
[06:32] <icarus> synd, try sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc and see if it enables dma
[06:32] <Hmmmm> hi, guys
[06:32] <Hmmmm> anyone tried the new beta release or hoary?
[06:32] <^thehatsrule^> that is odd inva|id.... always worked for me :S
[06:33] <Flonne> Hi, Hmmmm.
[06:33] <Flonne> Yes; many of us have.
[06:33] <^thehatsrule^> Hmmmm
[06:33] <linuxpoet> This alone make it better than fedora
[06:33] <linuxpoet> Ubuntu is released regularly and predictably; a new release is made every six                     months. You can use the current stable release or the current development                     release. Each release is supported for at least 18 months.
[06:33] <Hmmmm> Flonne, will it be a good idea for me to try the beta?
[06:34] <Hmmmm> im geting my new box thsi weekend
[06:34] <Hmmmm> and i cnat wait for the final release
[06:34] <brainZzZ> i will be b uying a new box very soon
[06:34] <Hmmmm> btw when is hoary final to be released?
[06:34] <Flonne> Hmmmm, there's no real reason not to; you can upgrade everything to the final version when it hits.
[06:34] <Hmmmm> brainZzZ, go for the amd64
[06:34] <brainZzZ> 0
[06:34] <Flonne> April 8th.
[06:34] <paulproteus> Hmmmm: I suggest installing as early as today.
[06:34] <jsgotangco> in a few days
[06:34] <brainZzZ> i only go for the chicks, though
[06:34] <Hmmmm> paulproteus, i like ur advice a LOT
[06:35] <kpeterson> any one here have m4a support working on xmms?
[06:35] <Em> is there a Nekohayo around ?
[06:35] <Hmmmm> so i think i'll start my torrent for the amd64 hoary
[06:35] <Nekohayo> Flonne, it will tell you things like "while you were gone: 3 mails were received, nekohayo messaged you, 2 comments were added to your blog, 7 packages were outdated.." etc
[06:35] <Flonne> Nekohayo, that sounds like it will take a lot of work to complete.
[06:36] <geneo93> crimsun:  since yesterdays updates my cdrom aren't seen
[06:36] <Flonne> That said, I think "Vigilo" sounds more appropriate.
[06:36] <Em> Nekohayo, oh hi, somebody linked your mockup in another channel.  :x  i came to say you've quite miscredited the icons...
[06:36] <Nekohayo> I did? what should I write?
[06:36] <Hmmmm> paulproteus, is the 5.04 preview the last release before final?
[06:36] <crimsun> geneo93: dmesg information?
[06:36] <Em> Nekohayo, look at http://www.brisgeek.com/etiquette
[06:36] <g14> jeff this is jeff :)
[06:36] <Em> Nekohayo, also http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=19853
[06:36] <Nekohayo> XD
[06:36] <synd`> UGH
[06:37] <Nekohayo> ok, thank you Em (this is my first time..)
[06:37] <brainZzZ> this my first time in this channel in years, probably first time actually saying anything haha
[06:37] <Em> Nekohayo, all it's fine, dear.  also, about your mockup, it looks a LOT like a gdesklet, and is a lot like something a gdesklet would exist to take care of.  like individual little gdesklets
[06:38] <Nekohayo> Em, but it's meant to be independant.. I think.. like beagle for instance
[06:38] <Hmmmm> Flonne, is the 5.04 preview the last release before final?
[06:38] <Nekohayo> Em, so the author is Andrew Fitzsimon?
[06:38] <Em> Nekohayo, **shrug**  that's fine, it's kinda what gdesklets exists to do, but otherwise this might be a bit harder to write (if it's standalone, ya know ?)
[06:38] <Em> Nekohayo, as far as i know
[06:38] <saik0> Hmmmm, yes, final will be out in 5 days
[06:38] <Flonne> Hmmmm, no, there's a Release Candidate.
[06:39] <Nekohayo> Em, besides, never got to make gdesklets work.. Xd
[06:39] <Flonne> saik0, it was pushed back to the 8th because of Gnome.
[06:39] <saik0> Hmmmm, I guess I lied
[06:39] <Em> Nekohayo, i know, it's a really immature project, i do wish they'd polish it up more, it's such a pain to make any of it work the way you want
[06:39] <Hmmmm> so the current preview release has the latest gnome?
[06:40] <Em> Nekohayo, that said, this is what it exists for.  :x
[06:40] <dex1> crimsun: still says not a valid directory. when I use /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/include instead.   I first ran dpkg -l linux-headers-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii and it echoed it back to me (to say it'd found it)
[06:40] <Nekohayo> Em, anyways, I'm thinking of writing down thoughts, better mockups (fixing that one) and all during the week end, and then maybe start publicizing to get some help out there or something.. but it needs to be foretought
[06:40] <saik0> Flonne, is the problemw ith gnome redering 2d windows only with CPU going to be fixed?
[06:41] <synd> ugh
[06:41] <Em> Nekohayo, well good luck, you'll probably run into the "show us the code" attitude a lot though...  :x   if you really want it, keep at it i guess.
[06:41] <synd> hdparm isnt helping out my damn cd drive from skipping
[06:41] <Hmmmm> how does ubuntu comapre to gentoo in terms of speed?
[06:41] <Nekohayo> yeah but I think we'll have to wait for this like you say..
[06:41] <Flonne> saik0, I have no idea. I'm not a dev. ^^
[06:41] <brainZzZ> Nekohayo: now i have to wait for it to fill in
[06:41] <Nekohayo> but the only thing I can do for now is write text...
[06:41] <crimsun> dex1: and with linux-source-foo?
[06:42] <crimsun> dex1: (Hoary -> linux-source-2.6.10)
[06:42] <inva|id> This is what I get with the rename function
[06:42] <inva|id> # rename MOB mob *.MOB
[06:42] <inva|id> Bareword "MOB" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 1) line 1.
[06:43] <Em> Nekohayo, well good luck.  maybe you could learn to do programming ?
[06:43] <dex1> <warty
[06:44] <crimsun> dex1: linux-source-2.6.8.1
[06:44] <Nekohayo> hmm easy to say XD I can't write 3 lines of php without the phone pole exploding
[06:44] <pablo928> On a new install, I can only boot to terminal (no desktop). How can I configure my video driver from terminal?
[06:45] <dex1> crimsun: sorry, where do I put that? :(
[06:45] <crimsun> dex1: sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8.1
[06:45] <dex1> *nod*
[06:46] <dex1> and then point the installer to which directory when asked about the C header files?  still /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/include ?
[06:46] <icarus> pablo928, edit the /etc/X11/XFree86 file
[06:46] <andrewski> pablo928: what kind of vid card do you have?
[06:46] <pablo928>  icarus:I can do that fro terminal?
[06:47] <andrewski> pablo928: yes, you can.
[06:47] <icarus> pablo928, use nano or something of the like.
[06:47] <PacoBCN> artwork is already updated :)
[06:47] <pablo928> It's a SIS onboard
[06:47] <Em> poor Nekohayo.  good luck all the same.  learn python maybe.  buh bye.
[06:47] <Nekohayo> heheh good night folks
[06:48] <pablo928> It's a sis onboard and I have warty.
[06:49] <andrewski> pablo928: ok, yeah, edit the /etc/X11/Xfree86 config.  done that before?
[06:49] <andrewski> pablo928: are you getting an error, or is X just not starting?
[06:50] <crimsun> dex1: no, that's where it becomes "fun"
[06:50] <crimsun> dex1: you have to alter EXTRAVERSION to fit your --append-to-version
[06:51] <crimsun> dex1: (see make-kpkg(1))
[06:51] <crimsun> dex1: then you have to make prepare in the toplevel of your kernel source
[06:51] <sono> hi... quick question: has left click button changed for nautilus at recent updates? Left clicking a folder opens de new window and autocloses current one...
[06:51] <crimsun> dex1: only then can you point the vmware installation to your kernel source dir
[06:51] <Krys_> crimsun, I still have not been able to get xmms working properly, or anything to play mp3's.. think you can help me?
[06:52] <pablo928> andrewski.No' I've never edited the /etc/X11/Xfree86 configuration
[06:52] <dex1> crimsun: Yessss.. Sounds fun :P Is there a detailed step-by-step howto guide which tells one exactly how to do all that?
[06:53] <andrewski> pablo928: xfreeconf, IIRC.
[06:53] <sono> that means, default action is autoclose previous window at nautilus... anyone with a fast solution?
[06:53] <crimsun> dex1: not that I'm aware of
[06:53] <andrewski> pablo928: sorry, xfreeconfig
[06:54] <dex1> crimsun: Mmm hmm... As a person new to Linux (let alone this distro), what should I do then
[06:55] <crimsun> dex1: essentially what I stated above :)
[06:56] <dex1> This??: crimsun: dex1: no, that's where it becomes "fun" crimsun: dex1: you have to alter EXTRAVERSION to fit your --append-to-version crimsun: dex1: (see make-kpkg(1))
[06:56] <crimsun> dex1: you can deduce what you need to add to EXTRAVERSION from your uname -r
[06:56] <andrewski> pablo928: does that work?
[06:56] <crimsun> EXTRAVERSION is a field in /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.8.1/Makefile
[06:56] <dex1> ok, I'll go type uname -r at the command prompt once it finishes downlading the last thing
[06:57] <pablo928> andrewski the command xfreeconfig isn't working, "command not found"
[06:57] <saik0> Totem-xine is telling me I need libdvdcss, and it's not in the repos (at least not under that name)
[06:57] <andrewski> pablo928: xfreecfg?
[06:58] <pablo928> andrewski i'll try that next
[06:58] <andrewski> pablo928: :)
[06:58] <Krys_> crimsun, any idea how to help my sound problem?
[06:58] <Xira> what apt package has the kernel source?
[06:58] <lunitik> X --configure ... or dpkg-reconfigure xorg.conf ... or just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf ...
[06:58] <andrewski> lunitik: Xfree for pablo928
[06:58] <lunitik> Xira: linux-source-`uname -r`
[06:59] <andrewski> lunitik: so i don't remember the right command names. ;)
[06:59] <icarus> pablo928, sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[06:59] <andrewski> icarus: except that pablo928 doesn't really know how to edit it.
[06:59] <lunitik> andrewski: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[06:59] <andrewski> lunitik: tell pablo928 :)
[06:59] <icarus> andrewski, can i post links in here?
[06:59] <andrewski> icarus: huh?
[06:59] <geneo91> crimsun:  http://pastebin.com/265528
[06:59] <icarus> web page links...
[07:00] <lunitik> haha... I'm high... first command would have been Xorg --configure ... dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ... (last part was right)
[07:00] <andrewski> icarus: uh, yeah?  why are you asking me?
[07:00] <lunitik> pablo928: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[07:00] <icarus> andrewski, never done this before.  don't know who to ask... ;)
[07:00] <lunitik> bob2 got famous for that line  8)
[07:00] <andrewski> icarus: oh. ;)  yeah, sure.
[07:00] <lunitik> ~be bob2
[07:00] <lunitik> :'(
[07:01] <andrewski> lunitik: which line?
[07:01] <dex1> crimsun: The vmware support forums aren't much use, but did say this, in reference to telling it the path of the C header files (follows). is this what we're doing? "make sure that you have installed kernel-headers (or equivalent of it under ubuntu; it is kernel-headers under Debian and kernel-sources on SUSE, Mandrake and old RedHat; on FC3 it is just part of kernel package). Make sure that version of kernel-{headers,source} package exactly matches with ve
[07:01] <lunitik> andrewski: no idea... I wasn't following the question... just trying to figure out wtf xfreeconf was supposed to be  ;)
[07:01] <andrewski> lunitik: which line was bob2 famous for?
[07:01] <Xira> couldn't find package linux-source-2.6.10-5-386
[07:02] <lunitik> andrewski: ohh.... dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[07:02] <DAC1138> has anyone here ordered the free ubuntu cds that ubuntulinux.org ships?
[07:02] <DAC1138> im wondering if they ship the live cds or the installation cds
[07:02] <lunitik> DAC1138: yes
[07:02] <andrewski> lunitik: ah, ok. :)
[07:02] <lunitik> DAC1138: both
[07:02] <DAC1138> i just set an order for the 5.04 hoary cds
[07:02] <Xira> guys
[07:02] <Xira> help >.>
[07:02] <Xira> couldn't find package linux-source-2.6.10-5-386
[07:02] <DAC1138> lunitik: for the hoary, they didnt ask for live or installation, they just asked what architechture i wanted
[07:03] <fabbione> Xira: linux-source-2.6.10
[07:03] <andrewski> pablo928: so did you catch all that?
[07:03] <fabbione> there is no source for linux-source-2.6.10-5-386
[07:03] <wetnoodle> looking for some help >> how to kill x server to install updated display driver
[07:03] <Xira> uhh
[07:03] <crimsun> it's linux-source-2.6.10
[07:03] <DAC1138> lunitik so are they shipping the live version on the same cd as the installation in the new hoary release?
[07:03] <saik0> uhhh even VLC is'nt playing DVDs what gives?
[07:04] <lunitik> Xira: see what crimsun said... apt-cache search linux source | grep linux-source
[07:04] <lunitik> 2.6.11 is there too...
[07:04] <crimsun> saik0: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:04] <crimsun> please do not use 2.6.11 from universe
[07:04] <fabbione> 2.6.11 is NOT supported
[07:04] <andrewski> crimsun: why not?
[07:04] <lunitik> DAC1138: alll archs have a live cd now... (or rather, the livecd can run on all arches... if I'm not mistaken...)
[07:04] <fabbione> andrewski: because it is not 2.6.11
[07:04] <andrewski> ??
[07:05] <fabbione> andrewski: it's a bk snapshot between 2.6.10 and 2.6.11 final
[07:05] <fabbione> version 0.2
[07:05] <andrewski> fabbione: and thusly not very stable, eh?
[07:05] <fabbione> and in universe = we don't support it
[07:05] <alka_trash> oh
[07:05] <lunitik> crimsun: wouldn't the universe package be 'kernel-source' etc (following Debian's naming scheme...)
[07:05] <andrewski> fabbione: well, yes.
[07:05] <fabbione> and can trash your machine
[07:05] <lunitik> fabbione: ^^
[07:05] <mindwarp> I had bad results with 2.6.11 today also
[07:05] <fabbione> lunitik: not necessrely
[07:06] <mindwarp> my X  kept freezing randomly
[07:06] <lunitik> fabbione: that was the impression I was under... Ubuntu kernels are 'linux-blah-foo' and Debian's (Universe) was 'kernel-blah-foo'...
[07:07] <saik0> crimsun, ahhh theres libdvdcdd =)\
[07:07] <crimsun> lunitik: yes, but in this case, there was a snapshot of 2.6.11 generated for testing.
[07:07] <saik0> css*
[07:07] <fabbione> lunitik: as crimsun says
[07:07] <geneo91> hehe all you geeks on the edge
[07:08] <geneo91> even i didn't use that
[07:08] <fabbione> edge is not always good
[07:08] <lunitik> fabbione: /me shuts up after looking @ maintainer line
[07:08] <geneo91> fabbione:  true
[07:08] <mindwarp> 2.6.10 has known issues with cedega which is why I wanted to go 2.6.11
[07:08] <alka_trash> fabbione: ( sorry to butt in ) but it's exciting !
[07:08] <crimsun> mindwarp: wait a week or so for Breezy's opening ;)
[07:09] <Greg___> I need to recompile PHP, where does ubuntu put the folder I do that in?
[07:09] <wetnoodle> looking for some help >> trying to install updated NVIDIA driver >> how do I kill xserver
[07:09] <geneo91> crimsun:  did you get a look at that
[07:09] <Greg___> or do i need to redownload the source?
[07:09] <fabbione> alka_trash: i agree :) but i don't reccomend it for users that want stability and a working system
[07:10] <fabbione> specially when: A) they are not ready to deal with breakage b) they don't have the knowledge to handle it
[07:10] <alka_trash> fabbione: yep I agree with you too
[07:10] <lunitik> fabbione: grr... should have like a 'test' or something in the ubuntu part of the name if they are not in main...
[07:10] <PD> wetnoodle: just make the changes and llog out and log in, your V server is restarted
[07:10] <fabbione> lunitik: if they are not in main, they are not supported. the separation is clear
[07:10] <andrewski> fabbione: aren't a) and b) usually the same? :P
[07:10] <fabbione> andrewski: no
[07:10] <dex1> crimsun: It's still downloading linux-source-2.6.8.1.  When it's finished and I've typed uname blah a bit, will "the version of the kernel-{headers,source} package exactly match with version of kernel package I have installed"
[07:11] <fabbione> andrewski: a lot of people like to run on edge 'cuz 15 l337
[07:11] <lunitik> fabbione: except for those that have universe enabled... and recognize prior naming schemes...
[07:11] <fabbione> andrewski: but they don't have the knowledge to recover
[07:11] <andrewski> fabbione: what i find funny is that there are so many users switching from distros like gentoo, so they mostly likely 'know' how to deal with breakage... and don't like to on a regular basis. ;P
[07:11] <fabbione> lunitik: name scheme has nothing to do with main/universe
[07:11] <dex1> Heck, I'd be happy if I could just install.
[07:11] <holycow> http://bloodshed.net/wired/?sid=5  <-- holy shit
[07:11] <wetnoodle> PD: i log out but i can't figure out how to get to a shell
[07:11] <holycow> man that sequences looks nice
[07:11] <lunitik> fabbione: I have taken it for granted for 6 months that kernel-*-* was Debian and linux-*-* was Ubuntu... and that the ubuntu one was supported...
[07:11] <crimsun> dex1: no, hence the finagling with EXTRAVERSION
[07:12] <lunitik> fabbione: its a few letters to add to the package name  *shrug* .
[07:12] <PD> wetnoodle: you type Ctrl+Alt+F1 you well get a shell prompt
[07:12] <andrewski> holycow: holy cow!
[07:12] <crimsun> geneo91: look at your dmesg and note the spew regarding hdd:
[07:12] <wetnoodle> PD: at the logon screen?
[07:12] <andrewski> holycow: for kde?
[07:12] <fabbione> lunitik: we are allowed to add unsupported packages.. you know? ;)
[07:12] <PD> wetnoodle: any screen
[07:12] <wetnoodle> PD: okay
[07:12] <geneo91> crimsun:  i booted with audio cd in drive just for that
[07:12] <holycow> andrewski, probably, i found it by accident
[07:13] <fabbione> holycow: that looks neat...
[07:13] <andrewski> holycow: reading web site to see... :)
[07:13] <lunitik> fabbione: not the point... I didn't see that it was in Universe till just now... I assumed via naming scheme that it was...
[07:13] <fabbione> is there any package around for it?
[07:13] <alka_trash> that does look good
[07:13] <geneo91> crimsun:  prior to that it reported to be normal
[07:13] <holycow> nope
[07:13] <holycow> wxgtk
[07:13] <Greg___> does anyone know..if I want to recompile PHP (i.e. run ./configure) what directory that is in?
[07:13] <holycow> :)
[07:13] <ruffian> crimsun: Hi, i found a easy solution on google regarding the sound problem. I have posted on the forum - http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22001
[07:13] <holycow> thats why it looks right in kde
[07:13] <Greg___> or do I need to get the latest source?
[07:14] <alka_trash> don't for Rosegarden :) http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/
[07:14] <andrewski> alka_trash: this looks a bit different....
[07:14] <alka_trash> true
[07:14] <holycow> *ooo* bookmark
[07:14] <holycow> right right :)
[07:14] <holycow> danke!
[07:14] <mindwarp> anyone else check out planet.gnome.org?
[07:14] <mindwarp> lol
[07:15] <andrewski> holycow: this may be enough to get a friend of mine to give up windows. :P
[07:15] <alka_trash> another good shot of rosegarden
[07:15] <alka_trash> http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/tour/audio/
[07:15] <holycow> test it first, you don't want it to be too buggy
[07:15] <andrewski> holycow: well, i don't think it's release-ready, but i'll let him know to keep his eyes peeled. :P
[07:15] <alka_trash> I looks more mature, hard to tell from the shots though
[07:16] <pablo928> andrewski thanks for your help. I edited the xfree configuration, still no display, Guess it doesn't like my old sis video.
[07:16] <holycow> *nod* me too
[07:16] <andrewski> pablo928: dunno, i'd search on google for that card to see if there are any tips already out there.
[07:16] <andrewski> pablo928: i'm no Xpert. :P
[07:16] <crimsun> ruffian: it should be fixed already.
[07:17] <alka_trash> I hope the gnome gets some of it's fatty code cleaned out, I would really like it to run better on my old laptop
[07:17] <ruffian> crimsun: Alright :)
[07:17] <crimsun> ruffian: right, that mute/unmute works fine.
[07:17] <andrewski> alka_trash: xfce. :)
[07:18] <ruffian> crimsun: Yep, i just tested my self :)
[07:18] <pablo928> andrewski i can always put my ati card in again, but i'm short pci slots.....have to talke out my soundcard again
[07:18] <scott> how do I configure ubuntu to show drop shadows on windows?
[07:18] <alka_trash> andrewski: is there a good menu system for xfce though?
[07:18] <icarus> pablo928, what happens when you type startx at the prompt?
[07:18] <helio7> err how do I tar -czvf a directory?
[07:18] <alka_trash> I can't stand building all my icons
[07:18] <wetnoodle> PD: didn't have any luck with that
[07:18] <andrewski> alka_trash: uh... it uses the system menu and actually has a menu editor. :P
[07:18] <helio7> err how do I tar -czvf a directory? (and everything in it)
[07:18] <alka_trash> really
[07:18] <saik0> crimsun, ahhh works, but the video is choppy with DVDs in both VLC and with gstreamer. any suggestions?
[07:18] <alka_trash> I give it a shot again
[07:19] <Flonne> helio7, tar -cvzf mytar.tar.gz mydir/
[07:19] <andrewski> alka_trash: make sure to get 4.2.  see os-cillation for a repository maintained by one of the xfce devs.
[07:19] <helio7> ty Flonne
[07:19] <holycow> someone has to figure out how to point apt at source forge and autogenerate packages
[07:19] <holycow> >_>
[07:19] <holycow> theres just so much incredible stuff on there
[07:19] <holycow> man
[07:19] <holycow> i've been on there for years and it still amazes me
[07:20] <wetnoodle> PD: i was able to get into a shell using Ctrl+Alt+F1 - but when i tried to run the driver installer it still said i was running x
[07:20] <Flonne> holycow, some other distros do that; they also tend to be quite unstable.
[07:20] <g14> holycow: But that would totally screw the dependency tree
[07:20] <g14> holycow: if you expect developers of each app to create a dependency list you are asking for problems
[07:21] <pablo928> icarus:when I type startx, i get command not found
[07:21] <icarus> wetnoodle, edit /etc/inittab and change the default runlevel to 2.  or uninstall your login manager until you're done.
[07:21] <crimsun> andrewski: we're merging XFce 4.2.1.1 already.  https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUXfce
[07:21] <helio7> Ok, If i'm ssh'ed into my webhost and want to retrieve something can I scp to my machine from within the ssh shell, or should I quit and scp or ftp?
[07:21] <Flonne> wetnoodle, just kill X.
[07:21] <holycow> g4, it was more of a comment in passing :)
[07:21] <Flonne> It's easier than hacking files.
[07:21] <andrewski> crimsun: hmm, why the delay?
[07:21] <andrewski> (no offense)
[07:21] <holycow> *nod* i don't run gentoo for a reason as well
[07:21] <holycow> hehe :)
[07:21] <wetnoodle> Flonne: that's what i'm trying to do
[07:22] <PD> wetnoodle: in the shell prompt do /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[07:22] <saik0> hmm, does anybody know why DVD video would be choppy?
[07:22] <helio7> hope the general linux questions aren't too far off topic winces*
[07:22] <Flonne> wetnoodle, sudo kill `pidof gdm` `pidof X`
[07:22] <Flonne> That should do it...
[07:22] <ruffian> brb
[07:22] <Flonne> Or stop it cleanly. >.>
[07:22] <Flonne> listen to PD.
[07:22] <crimsun> andrewski: those packages are horridly complicated, not to mention several have severely screwed licenses.  Moreover, our pool master has been very busy.
[07:22] <wetnoodle> okay
[07:22] <g14> saik0: linux isn't real time enough for video
[07:22] <andrewski> crimsun: horribly complicated and screwed licenses?
[07:23] <wetnoodle> PD: and I can do this from any shell as root correct?
[07:23] <Flonne> helio7, I tend to use FTP and SSH together.
[07:23] <holycow> g14, tell that to the guy that directed sin city
[07:23] <g14> saik0: thats why there are patches for the kernel for true audio / video distros like agnula
[07:23] <holycow> robert rodriguez
[07:23] <helio7> Flonne: in seperate windows?
[07:23] <Flonne> Yes.
[07:23] <saik0> g14, nonsense.....I had a mythTV box working perfectly with fedora as a distro...
[07:23] <PD> wetnoodel: yes, make sure you are in the Ctrl+Alt+F1 mode
[07:23] <helio7> brilliant; thanks
[07:23] <holycow> g14, oh you mean stock kernel? *nod*
[07:23] <saik0> g14, at least I hope it's nonsense
[07:23] <PD> wetnoodle: as root or you can use sudo
[07:23] <dex1> crimsun: It's finished downloading that. I type uname -r but all that happens is 2.6.8.1-3-386 is echoed onto a line and it goes back to the prompt. What should it/I be doing?
[07:24] <crimsun> andrewski: non-DFSG free
[07:24] <andrewski> crimsun: hmm, thought it was GPL... /me looks it up.
[07:24] <wetnoodle> PD: when I'm done installing - how do I come back into my session
[07:24] <crimsun> andrewski: not all the sources are
[07:24] <PD> wetnoodle: /etc/init.d/gdm start
[07:24] <g14> saik0: nonsense? I am talking about professional av stuff
[07:24] <andrewski> crimsun: know off-hand which aren't?
[07:24] <wetnoodle> PD: that's what I thought
[07:25] <crimsun> andrewski: noted on the wiki page
[07:25] <g14> saik0: you might want a bit more before you call something nonsence you dont know about
[07:25] <andrewski> crimsun: ubuntu's?
[07:25] <PD> wetnoodle: if it doses not come back it means the drivers are not proper, so be care full and make backup of the X file if needed
[07:25] <g14> *read a bit more*
[07:25] <crimsun> andrewski: the one I pasted above
[07:25] <PD> wetnoodle: cool
[07:25] <PD> :)
[07:25] <wetnoodle> PD: thanks - i'll give it a shot
[07:25] <dex1> Should I have been expecting more when I typed "uname -r" ? :/
[07:26] <hohlraum> hey guys.. whats the magic package to enable DVD playback in totem?
[07:26] <g14> I set up a professional recording studio using ardour, rosegarden, and jack on agnula
[07:26] <andrewski> crimsun: a theme?!
[07:26] <saik0> g14, hey all I was trying to say was that I have sucessfully played DVDs without any skipping on other distros. I never meant to offended you and apologize if I did
[07:26] <crimsun> yep.
[07:27] <archangel_> hey guys I got point2play recently and I'm running Hoary and everytime I try to lauch transgaming with aptget it says package not found
[07:27] <ruffian> Everytime i run gvim, i get the following message: (vim:7994): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[07:27] <ruffian> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[07:27] <archangel_> I saved it to my desktop
[07:27] <ruffian> The program runs fine
[07:27] <ruffian> but why does it do that?
[07:27] <andrewski> crimsun: and shouldn't all the references be to "Xfce", not "XFce"?
[07:28] <crimsun> andrewski: sure
[07:28] <g14> saik0: thats fine. Linux having timing and sync issues with audio / video is a known issue. Fedora also uses a highly modified kernel
[07:29] <archangel_> can anyone help me install point2play?
[07:29] <crimsun> archangel_: #cedega
[07:29] <archangel_> as root?
[07:29] <crimsun> archangel_: join the irc channel on this network
[07:29] <g14> type /join #cedega in the chat window
[07:30] <archangel_> ok thanks
[07:30] <dex1> crimsun:  I type uname -r but all that happens is 2.6.8.1-3-386 is echoed onto a line and it goes back to the prompt. I'm meant to  deduce what I need to add to EXTRAVERSION from your uname -r output. All I get is those numbers. Without much real idea of where/how to add them either. *cries*
[07:30] <andrewski> crimsun: well, all banter aside, thanks for helping to get Xfce in hoary; maybe one of these days, i'll be an MOTU and i can help out too, but who has time? :P
[07:30] <crimsun> andrewski: (it's a matter of whether you make time)
[07:30] <Quarupt> anyone know what this error means, comes when i try to mount my PSP?
[07:30] <Quarupt> root@ubuntu:/home/sean # libhal.c 911 : Error sending msg: No property info.cate gory on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_usb_device_54c_1c8_100_- 1_noserial_0
[07:30] <geneo91> crimsun:  its only audio cds it cant see
[07:30] <andrewski> crimsun: maybe.  priorities, right?  i have a baby on the way.... :)
[07:30] <mike8901> HOLY SHIT! PRESIDENT BUSH WAS JUST IMPEACHED!!
[07:30] <Quarupt> funny
[07:30] <ruffian> right
[07:31] <g14> seriously?
[07:31] <PacoBCN> what?
[07:31] <g14> for what
[07:31] <Quarupt> he is full of bs
[07:31] <holycow> nonsense
[07:31] <crimsun> mike8901: shush.
[07:31] <mike8901> april fools :P
[07:31] <dex1> haha. pfft
[07:31] <PacoBCN> haha
[07:31] <geneo91> mike8901:  your the only fool that beelieves that
[07:31] <Quarupt> so anyone know that error?
[07:31] <terry97> lol
[07:31] <PD> :)
[07:31] <crimsun> remember the CoC holds regardless of what date it is.
[07:31] <ruffian> lol
[07:31] <PacoBCN> this reminds me it's my brother's birthday
[07:31] <andrewski> mike8901: hopefully you'll get better as the day goes on.  keep practicing.
[07:31] <dex1> mike: shush, we're discussing  something about extraversion here and what I should DO. !
[07:31] <dex1> quar: No, I don't.
[07:31] <crimsun> andrewski: congrats. :)
[07:32] <Mestapheles> hey
[07:32] <crimsun> andrewski: I don't suppose you'll have time for the next 19 years. ;)
[07:32] <ruffian> Will be back later
[07:32] <andrewski> crimsun: thanks.
[07:33] <crimsun> dex1: look at the top-level Makefile
[07:33] <crimsun> dex1: then look at your uname -r
[07:33] <cray> http://www.petitiononline.com/ijg520/petition-sign.html
[07:34] <Mestapheles> can someone tell me why apt-get dist-upgrade gives me more packages to install than apt-get update?  I've already upgraded to hoary sometime ago so I'd think htat they would do the same thing.
[07:34] <dex1> crimsun: What, you mean type "nano /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.8.1/Makefile" ?
[07:34] <wetnoodle> PD: i hate to keep pestering - but when I ran the nvidia installer - it told me something to the extent of not having a kernel interface
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> Mestapheles: upgrade doesnt change system packaes
[07:34] <saik0> g14, I figured out the problem DMA was diabled on my DVD drive
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> Mestapheles: they dont do the same thing, either
[07:35] <g14> saik0: that would definatly do it :)
[07:35] <sono> Hi friends.  Why has spatial nautilus adopted the autoclose previous window policy as default after yesterday's updates?  How may I change that back?
[07:35] <PD> wetnoodle: may be you have to install the kernel headers
[07:36] <saik0> g14, sure would! not sure why ubuntu would come installed like that, I'm sure they have some reason. now to figure out a way to do this globally
[07:36] <Mestapheles> thnks
[07:36] <PD> wetnoodle: do uname -r find out the kernel version and install the headers for that
[07:36] <PD> wetnoodle: you can get the headers by apt-get
[07:37] <wetnoodle> PD: so - apt-get '?'
[07:37] <g14> saik0: hdparm has a save option
[07:37] <PD> wetnoodle: well apt-get gets the packeage from the repo
[07:38] <topyli> hmm... wanda is in a playful mood today
[07:38] <Mestapheles> da_bon_bon: but the thing is that both a this point in time, already being upgraded to hoary, you'd think they should both just update software already installed. Shouldn't they?
[07:38] <PacoBCN> still can't understand why I have to restart dbus-1 for showing my drives icons in gnome...
[07:38] <saik0> g14, found /etc/hdpram.conf also works
[07:38] <brainZzZ> u.s. uses thai base as tsunami relief hub networks.org/?src=ap:tsunami-us-help
[07:38] <g14> saik0: man hdparm will show you that the -k option will allow you to keep settings over reboot. Yep
[07:38] <dex1> bbl
[07:38] <newbie1> hi, i'm having a bit of  a problem with my screen resolution, i wonder if anyone can help me?
[07:38] <da_bon_bon> Mestapheles: as i said, update doesnt update system packages
[07:38] <PD> wetnoodle: whats the output of uname -r
[07:39] <wetnoodle> PD: 2.6.10-5-386
[07:39] <Mestapheles> xfce4 a system package?
[07:40] <PD> wetnoodle: you are using hoary preview right
[07:40] <wetnoodle> PD: i believe so - i just installed it tonight
[07:40] <brainZzZ> i just installed it
[07:40] <wetnoodle> PD: yes - it is the hoary preview
[07:41] <Mestapheles> xfce4 and plugings were bring held back by upgrade while dist-upgrade installed them.
[07:41] <crimsun> Mestapheles: they're being rebuilt.
[07:41] <crimsun> Mestapheles: please see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUXfce
[07:41] <Mestapheles> sure
[07:42] <mercurus> about how big is the Warty base footprint ?
[07:42] <mercurus> ie. how big is the basic, GUI-free install ?
[07:42] <geneo91> crimsun:  any ideas why it wont see audio cds
[07:42] <andrewski> Mestapheles: there's also a repository maintained by an xfce dev at os-cillation.com
[07:42] <crimsun> Mestapheles: the core of Xfce 4.2.1.1 should be completely done in ~2 hours.
[07:42] <cam> I'm having troubles with out of range resolutions
[07:42] <andrewski> crimsun: oh, that soon?  wow.
[07:43] <PD> wetnoodle:do apt-get kernel-headers-2.6.10 and try
[07:43] <hohlraum> does totem/gstreamer not support dvd playback at all? .. installed the css lib and still no go.
[07:43] <crimsun> andrewski: actually I have them completely done locally (these are Benny's, btw, but we've fixed his errors)
[07:43] <wetnoodle> PD: will do
[07:43] <andrewski> crimsun: it'll be nice not to need the os-cillation.com repository anymore. :)
[07:43] <cam> gdm is in 1280x1024, but my desktop is in 1024x768
[07:43] <andrewski> crimsun: his errors?  the ones mentioned on the wikipage?  bad control files?
[07:43] <Mestapheles> kool
[07:43] <newbie1> i'm stuck at 640x480, and i keep getting "Not using default mode... hsync out of range" in the xfree86 log
[07:43] <tritium> wetnoodle, you want linux-headers rather than kernel-headers
[07:43] <PD> wetnoodle: if tht does not work try apt-get linux-headers-version
[07:43] <crimsun> andrewski: not just, but they don't build cleanly on Ubuntu.  We fixed that.
[07:44] <andrewski> crimsun: oh, nice.  are there major changes from an end-user perspective, i.e. ones that a user would notice?
[07:45] <crimsun> andrewski: no.  If you already use os-works.com debs, you won't notice any difference.
[07:45] <andrewski> crimsun: and is xfwm4 built with the compositor enabled?
[07:45] <crimsun> no, would you like it to be?
[07:45] <andrewski> crimsun: yes.
[07:45] <andrewski> crimsun: you can en/disable it then from the command line when you start it up.
[07:46] <crimsun> andrewski: have you used it under Hoary?
[07:46] <wetnoodle> PD: apt seems to be borked
[07:46] <andrewski> crimsun: no, i used to use it in gentoo.  it's much more stable and performs better than xcompmgr.
[07:46] <wetnoodle> PD: apt-get linux-headers-2.6.10 returns an invalid operation
[07:47] <crimsun> andrewski: I'm hesitant to enable it by default unless at least a few people say they've pleasant experiences with it.
[07:47] <andrewski> crimsun: i'm not very good at building from source, otherwise i would've used it in hoary.  i've never figured out a good way to do that in a package-based distro. :)
[07:47] <tritium> wetnoodle, linux-headers-2.6.10-5
[07:47] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: yes, please build the compositor in - i've heard good things :)
[07:48] <andrewski> crimsun: well, you could enable it in the build and make the default xinitrc disable it.  you'd never know the difference, but those users (however few) who wanted it would be able to make the change.
[07:48] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: if i can put in my 2 cents :)
[07:48] <geneo91> dont forget install
[07:48] <andrewski> crimsun: i'll scour the forums real quick to see if anyone mentions using it.
[07:48] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: heard != experienced on Hoary.
[07:48] <tritium> wetnoodle, you can also use `uname -r` for the version number
[07:48] <wetnoodle> tritium: same thing
[07:48] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: true :) but on other boxes... hoary is just X.org :)
[07:48] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: keep in mind we're targetting a few million users here.  It _must_ be stable.  :)
[07:48] <fabbione> holycow: wired is a royal pain to compile. it has too much specific code that is not really good
[07:48] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: well, i agree with andrewski, not default, just "there"
[07:48] <fabbione> holycow: too bad because it looks nice
[07:49] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: who has usage stats for ubuntu?
[07:49] <Mestapheles> newbie1: what was your question?
[07:49] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: good question.
[07:49] <hohlraum> anyone know if the resolution switching bug is going to be fixed before the final?
[07:49] <newbie1> mestapheles: i'm stuck at 640x480 @ 60 hz
[07:50] <Mestapheles> did you edit /etc/X11/xorg.cong ?
[07:51] <newbie1> mestapheles: i've tried tu run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[07:51] <newbie1> mestapheles: that didn't work
[07:51] <holycow> fabbione, really? oh too bad :(
[07:51] <Mestapheles> yes that might work but editing the file by hand is sometimes necessary
[07:51] <holycow> maybe its just a factor of being very very early code
[07:51] <wetnoodle> PD: i forgot to type 'source'
[07:51] <holycow> thanks for letting me know :)
[07:52] <holycow> wetnoodle, haha!
[07:52] <Mestapheles> are you sure your video card and moniter support that?
[07:52] <holycow> love the nick
[07:52] <Dreamer3_> hey, this update thing is cool, but it died after it updaded itself
[07:52] <Dreamer3_> i'm assuming it might restart if i restart gnome
[07:52] <wetnoodle> holycow: it suits me
[07:52] <holycow> you wouldn't happen to be the same wetnoodle for izwares mirai forums, wouldja?
[07:52] <PD> wetnoodle: try it
[07:52] <newbie1> mestapheles: and what do i have to look for when i open xorg.cong?
[07:53] <Mestapheles> section screen
[07:53] <wetnoodle> holycow: if that is code for [M]  then yes - if not - no
[07:53] <Mestapheles> do it as sudo. but before you do that, you did try the gnome moniter utility right?
[07:53] <andrewski> crimsun: nothing quick on the forums.  #xfce! :)
[07:53] <holycow>  i have no idea what [m]  stands for, mirai is a piece of 3d animation software long defunct, there was a frequent poster on their forum with your nick, just curious
[07:54] <newbie1> mestapheles: ok, i'll try to work it out from there. do you know what does "hsync out of range" mean?
[07:54] <|QuaD-> is there a reason i am missing System.data in mono on hoary??? i am missing a bunch of libraries, am i missing a package?
[07:54] <jesusfish> what's the advantage to running Ubuntu over Deian?
[07:54] <jesusfish> Debian
[07:54] <Mestapheles> what are your running?
[07:54] <g14> ubuntu is great for a desktop
[07:54] <wetnoodle> PD: do i have to do anything with the headers after apt-get gets them?
[07:54] <g14> debian sucks for a desktop
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> i find that ubuntu is more polished.. and has much nicer set of beginner/faq/docs
[07:55] <Mestapheles> hoary I take it if your're using xorg
[07:55] <g14> And ubuntu has alot of money behind it making it good on the desktop
[07:55] <andrewski> crimsun: why don't you try it out? :)
[07:55] <PD> wetnoodle: it might work wit out doing anything mostly
[07:55] <Mestapheles> well if you upgraded ther could be something missing bu I doubt it.  I upgraded and only missed locales
[07:55] <crimsun> andrewski: as it stands, it's already enabled. :)
[07:55] <andrewski> crimsun: i.e. i couldn't find anything. :P
[07:55] <wetnoodle> PD: okay - i'll try installing the driver again
[07:55] <jesusfish> I'm guessing my best way to migrate is to install from scratch
[07:55] <wetnoodle> PD: is there a way to keep this session running?
[07:56] <crimsun> andrewski: i.e., it was already enabled in debian/rules
[07:56] <andrewski> crimsun: ah, ok.
[07:56] <newbie1> mestapheles: actually i'm not, i went back to hoary
[07:56] <Mestapheles> try apt-get update then dist-upgrade, then update.  If something goes wrong try sudo apt-get -f install .  That solved a few problems for me
[07:56] <andrewski> crimsun: have you tried it?
[07:57] <crimsun> andrewski: I'm not going to try it until 'xfce4' will succeed in installing from pool.  (I'm waiting on the buildds.)
[07:57] <PD> wetnoodle: didnt get you
[07:57] <jesusfish> how stable is Hoary compared to Sid?
[07:57] <Mestapheles> hoary is the second release.  Did you upgrade
[07:57] <Mestapheles> ?
[07:57] <andrewski> crimsun: over my head, but i understood "not yet". :)
[07:57] <gunnmjk> i'm having trouble mounting my powerbooks hd when running off of the hoary live cd
[07:57] <newbie1> mestapheles: i still haven't worked out my problem with the dsl modem
[07:58] <Mestapheles> so you're using warty
[07:58] <wetnoodle> PD: this gdm session - i would imagine there isn't -
[07:58] <newbie1> mestapheles: so i don't have any i'net connection yet :(
[07:58] <crimsun> andrewski: not for another couple hours.  It has to finish on 4 different architectures.
[07:58] <andrewski> crimsun: oh, ok.
[07:58] <wetnoodle> PD: i just want to keep xchat running so i don't have to connect again if possible
[07:58] <wetnoodle> PD: not that it's a big deal
[07:58] <Mestapheles> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 is the file you want to edit then
[07:58] <andrewski> crimsun: FWIW, i won't touch xcompmgr with a 10-foot pole, but i would use xfwm4's. :)
[07:59] <newbie1> mestapheles: ok, thanks!!
[07:59] <Mestapheles> buena suerte
[07:59] <jesusfish> how stable is Hoary compared to Sid?
[07:59] <PD> wetnoodle: there are command line tools available like irssi to connect to IRC from the command, so you can have that running in Ctrl+Alt+F2
[07:59] <Mestapheles> I think hoary is more stable
[07:59] <DanC_ub> hmm... "download changelog" doesn't seem to work for ubuntu in synaptic. does ubuntu not publish changelogs in the expected way?
[08:00] <PD> wetnoodle: you can use command line terminals from F1 to F6
[08:00] <mdz> we do, they just aren't updated very often at the moment
[08:00] <andrewski> jesusfish: it'll be officially released this month, but i've been using it since january. :)
[08:00] <jesusfish> and how good is Ubuntu's KDE support?
[08:00] <Mestapheles> hoary has a lot of fixes over warty.  My accel now works
[08:00] <andrewski> jesusfish: kubuntu has a website. ;)
[08:00] <wetnoodle> PD: sounds good
[08:00] <jesusfish> andrewski: I thought Ubuntu had kde in it anyways
[08:00] <Flonne> jesusfish, www.kubuntu.org; #kubuntu
[08:01] <andrewski> jesusfish: yes, kubuntu aims to make it better and has a default install with KDE *instead of* Gnome.
[08:01] <PD> wetnoodle: for connecting through irssi you can try the #man irssi
[08:01] <geneo91> jesusfish:  kde 3.4 is great
[08:01] <Mestapheles> kubuntu
[08:01] <Dreamer31> crimsun: you repackaging xfce for ubuntu? did that wiki page ever happen?
[08:01] <andrewski> jesusfish: but yes, you can get it installed too with ubuntu, just not on the install CD.
[08:01] <jesusfish> geneo91: ya, been using it for a while
[08:01] <andrewski> Dreamer31: yes, he pasted it a while ago.
[08:01] <Dreamer31> crimsun: you need xterminal and mousepad too :)
[08:01] <andrewski> crimsun: Dreamer31's right... xterminal, anyway. :)
[08:02] <jesusfish> are there any netinstalls?
[08:02] <crimsun> Dreamer31: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUXfce
[08:02] <crimsun> Dreamer31: they're in, too, but they're lower on the merge priority list.
[08:03] <rdw200169> this sucks... i just went throught this big pain in the *** getting kernel 2.6.11-1 working
[08:03] <rdw200169> and now the mouse won't work
[08:03] <andrewski> rdw200169: why use 2.6.11?
[08:04] <crimsun> bbl
[08:04] <rdw200169> and the forums are telling me that 2.6.11-2 magically fix the problem
[08:04] <rdw200169> so i can play Pirates!
[08:04] <geneo91> rdw200169:  its a kernel snapshot thats why
[08:04] <andrewski> rdw200169: yeah, it's kinda bleeding edge.
[08:04] <rdw200169> i know... so now i'm gonna find source and do that even bigger pain in the ass...
[08:04] <Dreamer31> crimsun: ah
[08:05] <Dreamer31> crimsun: i'm reviewing the page now
[08:05] <rdw200169> what page?
[08:05] <Mestapheles> newbie1:  "hsync out of range" probibly means that you don't have the horizontal out of sync
[08:05] <andrewski> rdw200169: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUXfce
[08:05] <awb4422> ok why are there 3 weird dudes on GDM lol
[08:05] <andrewski> rdw200169: Xfce wikipage on adding it to hoary.
[08:05] <lewwy> whats better, gnome of KDE?
[08:05] <rdw200169> oh, thanks
[08:05] <andrewski> lewwy: preference. :)
[08:05] <lewwy> gnome or* KDE
[08:06] <Mestapheles> lewwy:xfce4 is the best
[08:06] <Mestapheles> really
[08:06] <dex1> Is Crimsun still around?
[08:06] <rdw200169> lewwy: i like KDE... menu editing is MUCH easier... and you can add Karamba Themes...
[08:06] <andrewski> heh, lewwy's gone already.
[08:06] <awb4422> oh apparently it was an april fools joke
[08:06] <topyli> throw in the bait, and run
[08:06] <andrewski> april trolls!
[08:07] <geneo91> andrewski:  he just wanted to stirr the pot
[08:07] <dex1> Crimsun: Hi, I can't work out what I'm supposed to be doing?? The uname -r output is just "2.6.8.1-3-386". Am I meant to be typing "sudo nano /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.8.1/Makefile" to type that number into? Because that's an empty non-existing file.
[08:07] <andrewski> geneo91: yeah, the channel isn't busy enough already. :P
[08:07] <Mestapheles> what do you do with fbsd trolls?  anyone?  I'm thinking of making a shirt for install-fest that says something like "sudo rm -rf fbsd"
[08:08] <dex1> Or does anyone else have any ideas?
[08:08] <geneo91> andrewski:  i dont really care what others use as long as its linux
[08:09] <Flonne> Mestapheles, I use fBSD. :(
[08:09] <andrewski> geneo91: yeah, really.  kde may be windows-like, but it's pretty sweet.
[08:09] <dex1> Apparently I need to alter EXTRAVERSION to fit my --append-to-version :((
[08:09] <jesusfish> so basically ubuntu/kubuntu are cutting-edge Debian geared for desktop
[08:09] <Mestapheles> I really don't mind, I just want ot get on his nerves simply because he's a troll
[08:09] <dex1> jesus: when/if they work
[08:09] <Flonne> That's one way of looking at it, jesusfish.
[08:09] <geneo91> i had xp on this box for two weeks and put 98se back on
[08:09] <lunitik> jesusfish: sure...
[08:10] <lunitik> geneo91: that was smart.
[08:10] <Mestapheles> I am not hostile to bsd really, but I really dislike him because he is hostile to gpl and anything gnu-linux
[08:10] <Flonne> Ah... One of those people.
[08:10] <geneo91> lunitik:  i have 7 oses on this thing
[08:10] <Flonne> Like me to Windows...
[08:11] <jesusfish> man, stupid slow servers
[08:11] <dex1> Would anyone be willing to chat off from the main channel with me to attempt to get this ubuntu install working? It's been several days, two machines and it's really getting me down now. :(
[08:11] <jesusfish> 170KB/s
[08:11] <jesusfish> it's like crawling
[08:11] <holycow> geneo91, isn't xp an abomination?
[08:11] <holycow> i just bloody hate that thing
[08:11] <holycow> heh
[08:12] <Flonne> dex1, I would, but my responses may be a bit intermittent for about half an hour.
[08:12] <geneo91> yes i fix more boxes with xp on them than any other
[08:13] <holycow> geneo91, me too
[08:13] <holycow> i've seen all sorts of bizarre things
[08:13] <dex1> Flonne: Well, if you do become open to volunteering I'll take it. Been several days; I appreciate all the volunteer help so far of course :/
[08:13] <holycow> on one we had to reinstall the entire os to get it to like modem drivers
[08:13] <gunnmjk> I was reading some *old* documentation and it was saying that linux can't read an HFS+ partition, and macos X can't read a linux partition. Is this still true in the current versions of Ubunto?
[08:13] <geneo91> most of them have exploit on them
[08:13] <holycow> spyware? heh, thats windows for ya *nod*
[08:13] <Flonne> dex1, query away.
[08:14] <dex1> It's installing on vmware, should I stop now?
[08:14] <gunnmjk> hmmm guess nobody here's a mac user
[08:15] <geneo91> had one it took four days to fix with over 700 infected files
[08:15] <Dreamer33> crimsun: looks like most of the work is done :)
[08:16] <dex1> flonne: I was told to type uname -r. That just returned "2.6.8.1-3-386" (this was all after downloading a source file first). Then, apparently, I need to "alter EXTRAVERSION to fit my --append-to-version"? That's where I'm lost.
[08:16] <Flonne> dex1, well, I've installed VMWare under Arch, Debian, and Gentoo in the past two years... I'll help as much as I can, but my methods may be unorthodox.
[08:16] <jesusfish> gunnmjk: I beleive newer kernels support hfs+
[08:16] <dex1> If unorthodox=nevertheless-works then it's good to me ;)
[08:17] <jesusfish> gunnmjk: haven't booted into Linux on my PowerBook for a while though, so I can't remember for sure
[08:17] <grover> dex1: I am installing on vmware too
[08:17] <dex1> grover: on what operating system?
[08:17] <grover> XP
[08:17] <PD> gunnmjk: linux can read it you have to recomplile the linux kernel with hsf+ pathch and thats it
[08:17] <DanC_ub> hmm... I can't install realtime-lsm-source because kernel headers are not available for 2.6.8.1-3-386; newer kernels don't seem to work with this VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60) ... I think I found out why one night, but now I have forgotten
[08:17] <Flonne> unorthodox=might-not-be-upgradable, since it might require using a custom kernel.
[08:17] <dex1> grover: ditto. hope yrs goes better ;)
[08:17] <Dreamer33> dex1: is installing vmware that hard, or youre trying to install UNDER vmware?
[08:17] <ipcopnewbie> hello, i'd like to try out firestarter, but the latest version seems to be only in debian's unstable archive. can anyone put the format of the line to add to sources.list so i can use apt-get to fetch the latest firestarter?
[08:17] <gunnmjk> jesusfish, thanks. I'm planning on making my system dual boot, so it'd be nice to know what partitions i need to make before I start trying to install
[08:17] <dex1> dreamer: the latter
[08:17] <PD> gunnmjk: but by default i doubt
[08:18] <grover> dex1: what probs were you having?
[08:18] <dex1> flonne: I'm having to do that whole kernel thing currently, because it couldn't find a path to any C header files. (this is while installing VMWare tools.
[08:18] <jesusfish> PD: hmm...I thought they introduced hfs+ a few kernels back
[08:18] <dex1> Ubuntu installed ok initially
[08:18] <Flonne> Er... You're trying to install Ubuntu in VMWare?
[08:18] <andrewski> crimsun: status update? :P
[08:19] <dex1> Flonne: Platform (host) is XP. The Guest OS is Ubuntu. Or would be.
[08:19] <Flonne> I've actually never done that. I only use VMWare for FreeBSD to avoid dual-booting to test stuff.
[08:19] <Flonne> I'm not sure where to begin. :(
[08:19] <andrewski> is vmware FOSS?
[08:19] <dex1> It's okay.
[08:19] <Flonne> No, andrewski.
[08:19] <lunitik> andrewski: no
[08:20] <andrewski> that's where wine comes in?
[08:20] <gunnmjk> jesusfish, you would think so. but I wasn't able to mount my HD from the live CD doing the normal mount function
[08:20] <ipcopnewbie> anybody willing to copy their unstable dist line from /etc/apt/sources.list for me?
[08:20] <ipcopnewbie> (trying to apt-get install firestarter 1.0.3)
[08:20] <dex1> andrew: The VMware runs under windows and creates a virtual machine. On which one installs anyOS
[08:20] <jesusfish> gunnmjk: the vanilla kernels would have it, not necessarily compiled ones
[08:20] <lunitik> andrewski: entirely different mechanism... wine is emulation ... vmware is virtualization
[08:21] <andrewski> lunitik: ah, ok.
[08:21] <Flonne> WINE Is Not an Emulator. =P
[08:21] <topyli> ipcopnewbie: you mean you want to install firestarter from hoary onto a warty installation?
[08:21] <Flonne> It's just really similar.
[08:21] <andrewski> Flonne: almost said it. :P
[08:21] <dex1> Well, lets looks at this from another way.
[08:21] <andrewski> ipcopnewbie: just uncomment the universe repository.
[08:21] <gunnmjk> so I shouldn't expect ubuntoto have it?
[08:21] <lunitik> andrewski: you could compare vmware more closely with BOCHS or Xen ..
[08:21] <Flonne> dex1, VMWare runs under a lot of OSes.
[08:22] <gunnmjk> It'll be my first linux install, so i'm trying to make things easy for myself
[08:22] <andrewski> lunitik: never heard of them. dunno, just wondering because i hear a lot about it.
[08:22] <Flonne> I'd cry if I had to see Windows on one of my computers.
[08:22] <geneo91>         deb http://soulmachine.net/debian unstable/
[08:22] <dex1> flonneL: I know, but I was referring to a Wine comment
[08:22] <Flonne> Ah.
[08:22] <elcu> Flonne: Not a gamer then?
[08:22] <Flonne> Console gaming is all I need.
[08:23] <lunitik> andrewski: Xen is a new feature of Linux ... nice... and being pushed by IBM, HP, Red Hat and Novell
[08:23] <jesusfish> gunnmjk: prolly not by default
[08:23] <andrewski> lunitik: hmm, i'll check it out.
[08:23] <jesusfish> gunnmjk: "Yes. HFS+ support was added to the Linux kernel early in the 2.6 series."
[08:23] <gunnmjk> Oh, so I don't need the patch? nice
[08:23] <lunitik> andrewski: heh, Novell even has Netware running under it ... sound like what Microsoft is doing with NT4 and Virtual PC anyone?  :P
[08:24] <dex1> This is what I was told to do. 1) sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8.1 (I did, it downloaded. 2) Type uname -r (I did and saw "2.6.8.1-3-386"). 3) THEN... I was told to "alter EXTRAVERSION to fit my --append-to-version" and "make prepare in the toplevel of my kernel source". Neither of which (#3) I know how to do. Being new to this all.
[08:24] <Flonne> I'm quite opposed to the existence of Windows.
[08:24] <jesusfish> gunnmjk: no patch, but u may need to compile ur own kernel
[08:24] <andrewski> lunitik: dunno. :D
[08:24] <ipcopnewbie> topyli: the version of firestarter in the ubuntu stable is < 1.0 so no dhcp config support
[08:24] <ipcopnewbie> topyli: which i was hoping to use.
[08:24] <gunnmjk> compile my own kernal, eh. that sounds tricky
[08:24] <dex1> Any ideas on what to do next there Flonne?
[08:24] <topyli> ipcopnewbie: you could get the hoary source and build  a package on warty. it's more likely to succeed than trying to install the binary
[08:24] <PD> jesusfish: sorry my knowledgee was not updated apt-get update PD-reading-habits
[08:24] <Flonne> gunnmjk, it's really not so bad, but you probably won't have to do it.
[08:25] <jesusfish> gunnmjk: easier than patching at least
[08:25] <Flonne> dex1, "next"? Sorry -- I missed your last line.
[08:25] <jesusfish> PD: lol
[08:25] <ipcopnewbie> topyli: i got the source from the firestarter home page, it failed tom configure with a perl dependency
[08:25] <jesusfish> PD: I used to keep tabs...but I mainly use OS X on my Mac now anyways
[08:25] <dex1> This is what I was told to do. 1) sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8.1 (I did, it downloaded. 2) Type uname -r (I did and saw "2.6.8.1-3-386"). 3) THEN... I was told to "alter EXTRAVERSION to fit my --append-to-version" and "make prepare in the toplevel of my kernel source". Neither of which (#3) I know how to do. Being new to this all.
[08:25] <ipcopnewbie> topyli: i figured, before i went to a lot of hassle, maybe i could get apt-get to do it, just for this package
[08:25] <gunnmjk> heh heh
[08:25] <andrewski> ipcopnewbie: backport?
[08:25] <topyli> ipcopnewbie: use debianized sources from hoary, they will build more easily (with apt)
[08:26] <gunnmjk> I havnt even considered compiling a kernal myself yet. I think for a task like that, I'm going to need some help
[08:26] <andrewski> ipcopnewbie: if there's a version in hoary that you want, you should be able to get it from the backports project.
[08:27] <topyli> ipcopnewbie: insert the hoary source repository in your sources.list. then do 'apt-get build-depend firestarter'. then 'apt-get source -b firestarter' and voila! you have a working package
[08:27] <ipcopnewbie> topyli: i'll give that a whirl. i haven't heard of the backports project... the first time i tried ubuntu was today. it's only the second debian installation i've done (much more experience w/rh)
[08:27] <eyequeue> or .. just wait until 8 april
[08:27] <topyli> it's in universe IIRC
[08:27] <andrewski> eyequeue: or ipcopnewbie could just upgrade now. :)
[08:27] <topyli> ipcopnewbie: well, you may find a backport too
[08:28] <ipcopnewbie> topyli: did you say that firestarter is in universe? yes, i think thats the <1.0 version i got initially
[08:28] <dex1> Apparently I can deduce what I need to add to EXTRAVERSION from your uname -r ?? :/
[08:28] <dex1> *my
[08:28] <topyli> ipcopnewbie: i mean if you get the hoary source, that'll be in hoary universe as well :)
[08:28] <gunnmjk> jesusfish, how would you recommend partitioning? From what I heard Linux is first, I'm thinking of giving it 5GB or so. Setting aside 1GB for a "swap" whatever that is (i'll figure it out later, I don't even know if I need it) and the rest for MacOS X
[08:28] <andrewski> topyli: but if the source is in universe, why couldn't ipcopnewbie just get the package?
[08:29] <topyli> andrewski: he wants a new version from hoary
[08:29] <ipcopnewbie> andrewski: i presume that source would be missing the dhcp support
[08:29] <dex1> anyone?
[08:29] <jesusfish> gunnmjk: honestly, it's been a long time since I last installed Linux on my PB, so I can't remember exactly
[08:29] <grover> is the fact that there's a /.dev mounted or is this intentional?
[08:29] <ipcopnewbie> andrewski: since the packaged version doesn't have it
[08:29] <andrewski> gunnmjk: 5G may be a little close.
[08:29] <grover> is it a bug, rather
[08:29] <Flonne> gunnmjk, my suggestion is RAM x 1.5 swap, ~50-100 meg /boot, 3-4gig / (2.5 if you can't spare that), and the rest for /home. In that order.
[08:29] <andrewski> ipcopnewbie: but a newer package would; i thought that's what you were saying?
[08:29] <Dreamer33> andrewski: i have ubuntu on a 5g paritiont, but that's not counting home :)
[08:30] <andrewski> Dreamer33: what's with all the names?
[08:30] <jesusfish> gunnmjk: plus, I've never installed Ubuntu before and know that Debian was a bit of a pain when I last did it on the Mac
[08:30] <Flonne> That should be universal, regardless of platform.
[08:30] <ipcopnewbie> andrewski: right, because according to firestarter's home page, versions > 1.0 have the dhcp support
[08:30] <Dreamer33> andrewski: i dunno, keep getting disconnected
[08:30] <Dreamer3> well, gotta run, may be back later :)
[08:31] <Flonne> messaged*
[08:31] <ipcopnewbie> andrewski: this is all because i want to config dhcp on my internal LAN and don't want to learn the whole dhcpd.conf format. hell, seems like more trouble than it's worth just fora  GUI
[08:31] <andrewski> ipcopnewbie: so, if topyli is telling you to add universe, you'll get the same version, package or source, so why not use package?
[08:31] <jesusfish> gunnmjk: so I'm prolly not the nest one to answer that question
[08:31] <topyli> ipcopnewbie: they do. but the hoary package probably won't work on warty, so you need to build one, or find a backport. i recommend building
[08:31] <gunnmjk> so, I'll need 4 partitions total?
[08:32] <ipcopnewbie> topyli: ok, let me see if i can find a backport then.
[08:32] <andrewski> topyli: oh, "it probably won't work".  heh, didn't realise that.
[08:32] <topyli> hehe
[08:32] <ipcopnewbie> thanks all for the tips... have to hit hay because of toddler alarm clock at 6am. :-) cheers!
[08:32] <eyequeue> andrewski:  -b source would be guaranteed to work with his libraries, a hoary package may not
[08:33] <andrewski> eyequeue: yes, didn't realize that. :P
[08:33] <topyli> ipcopnewbie: happy hacking
[08:33] <HiddenWolf> Can anyone give me the command to burn an ISO from the command line?
[08:34] <ipcopnewbie> topyli: thanks a ton! i love ubuntu so far! (loved debian previously, but that was my ISP's installation; love it slightly less now that I've actually tried doing a fresh install)
[08:34] <topyli> HiddenWolf: copy one from the EXAMPLES section of the cdrecord man page
[08:34] <HiddenWolf> topyli: good piont
[08:35] <jeffsch> Flonne: awesome re: partition sizes. Everything I have read on partition sizes leaves me wondering how I should partition my disk, so I end up guessing. The way you put it makes it sound so easy.
[08:36] <randabis> heh I wonder who was trying to talk with me earlier
[08:36] <randabis> this tab was flashing
[08:37] <geneo91> who has hoary with all the qt libs installed
[08:37] <randabis> me probably considering I'm running kde/kubuntu
[08:38] <geneo91> you have qt-designer
[08:38] <topyli> geneo91: i don't know what "all the libs" are, but i do have qt
[08:39] <geneo91> well i was going to share an app i use to chat and share files
[08:39] <topyli> geneo91: dcgui-qt?
[08:39] <geneo91> it uses a muscled server
[08:40] <geneo91> topyli:  no special thing
[08:40] <Flonne> jeffsch, it's always open to experimentation. The values I suggest are just what tends to fit best from my experience.
[08:40] <woodywarty> How do I use GnuPG in Evolution 2 ?
[08:42] <jsgotangco> woodywarty: just add your key to the required tab and its set
[08:42] <woodywarty> Well which key do I have to add:  gpg --list-keys
[08:42] <woodywarty> Which one ?
[08:43] <jsgotangco> your public key of course
[08:43] <woodywarty> I did that and it did not work out
[08:43] <HiddenWo1f> Cdrecord gives me an error 'can't acces scsi<something>'
[08:43] <elcu> Any LaTeX users?
[08:43] <dracflamloc> hey
[08:43] <jsgotangco> the 8 digit hex key
[08:44] <HiddenWo1f> topyli: Can you assist?
[08:44] <dracflamloc> anyone know if the process of getting the nvidia 3d drivers workin on unbuntu is easy? i'm itching to ditch my curent distro
[08:44] <synd> how do i edit hdparm.conf in hoary to automatically do hdparm -u1 -d1 /dev/hdc upon booting?
[08:44] <HiddenWo1f> dracflamloc: if you are lucky yes. :)
[08:44] <dracflamloc> HiddenWo1f, not what i wanted to hear =P
[08:44] <HiddenWo1f> dracflamloc: Usually it works in ~2 commands, but I'm usually unlucky
[08:45] <dracflamloc> anything special that needs to be done?
[08:45] <synd> how do i edit hdparm.conf in hoary to automatically do hdparm -u1 -d1 /dev/hdc upon booting?
[08:45] <synd> anyone?
[08:45] <randabis> dracflamloc: not really...it generally takes 2 commands, and a restart of the x server
[08:45] <HiddenWo1f> dracflamloc: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx && nvidia-glx-config enable
[08:46] <HiddenWo1f> I however am an unlucky sob who can't get them to work. :)
[08:46] <dracflamloc> doh
[08:46] <dracflamloc> i assume it uses the 2.6 kernel?
[08:47] <dracflamloc> ubuntu, that is
[08:47] <randabis> dracflamloc: but of course :)
[08:47] <jeffsch> Flonne: yea but most of the people who write about partioning write pages and pages, and still I end up wondering what the heck is good. You put 5 pages of geek-speek into a couple of lines of advice. Very nice.
[08:47] <HiddenWo1f> Can anyone here tell me what I need to pass to cdrecord to burn an iso with /dev/hdd?
[08:48] <dracflamloc> one last question. does it come with the kernel sources?
[08:48] <HrdwrBoB> dev=/dev/hdd
[08:48] <HiddenWo1f> dracflamloc: you can easily install them.
[08:48] <dracflamloc> that wasnt my question ;)
[08:48] <HiddenWo1f> hrdwrbob: can you give me the entire command to be sure
[08:48] <dracflamloc> i'm on a very restrictive firewall
[08:48] <dracflamloc> i cant ftp
[08:48] <HiddenWo1f> dracflamloc: I don't think they're on the cd, no.
[08:48] <HiddenWo1f> dracflamloc, apt-get will work fine for you.
[08:48] <HrdwrBoB> HiddenWo1f: cdrecord -v -eject speed=24 dev=/dev/hdd file.iso
[08:48] <geneo91> dracflamloc:  its http
[08:49] <HrdwrBoB> though if you right click in nautilus
[08:49] <dracflamloc> so unless its on the cd i pretty much have no chance of getting it
[08:49] <HrdwrBoB> and click burn
[08:49] <HrdwrBoB> it should be fine
[08:49] <dracflamloc> geneo91,  oh ok
[08:49] <ohfuzzhead> hello
[08:49] <dracflamloc> so does apt-get work on http?
[08:49] <HiddenWo1f> hrdwrbob: i went to reinstall, my hoary iso was fucked, so I installed warrty, but I can't get xfree to run, so I am in rescue mode about now
[08:50] <geneo91> dracflamloc:  it will net you nvidia-glx nvidia kernel-headers
[08:50] <dracflamloc> kernel-headers?
[08:51] <dracflamloc> i need the full source
[08:51] <dracflamloc> i assume apt-get kernel-source?
[08:51] <topyli> HiddenWo1f: sorry, went out for smokes. what's up?
[08:51] <geneo91> no
[08:51] <kakalto> could someone please tell me why gnome won't load, after I just installed some new printer/scanner drivers (hpoj)?
[08:51] <helio7> what's the ftp put command for a whole dir?
[08:52] <dracflamloc> do you recommend 5.04?
[08:52] <geneo91> yes
[08:52] <randabis> dracflamloc: linux-source
[08:53] <dracflamloc> wow only one cd?
[08:53] <andrewski> dracflamloc: yeah, sweet, huh?  you can enable additional online repositories once you're installed.
[08:53] <dracflamloc> ah, very cool
[08:53] <dracflamloc> and apt-get uses http then?
[08:54] <helio7> in terminal ftp how do I put a directory?
[08:54] <randabis> yes, it is http
[08:54] <dracflamloc> awesome
[08:54] <dracflamloc> =D
[08:54] <lewwy> okay, i'm officially partial to Kubuntu now.  Damn those cool little fading in thingos when you put your mouse over a button
[08:54] <dracflamloc> sounds like it fits my needs perfectly
[08:54] <andrewski> lewwy: yeah, they're nice. :)
[08:54] <randabis> lewwy: it rocks my socks
[08:54] <dracflamloc> whats kubuntu
[08:54] <helio7> ubuntu+kde
[08:55] <andrewski> dracflamloc: that whole one-CD bit, but with kde instead of gnome.
[08:55] <lewwy> so, my brothers like "So what makes this so much better then windows" and then makes fun of me.  Anyone know any cool stuff i can download or show him to prove him wrong?
[08:55] <andrewski> lewwy: kde's a good start.
[08:55] <geneo91> lewwy:  bb
[08:55] <Flonne> lewwy, just disable your firewall for a few days.
[08:55] <lewwy> andrewski, I showed him the cool fading in thingos, did nothing
[08:56] <lewwy> flonne, dont have one man
[08:56] <andrewski> lewwy: run filelight on your music directory (if you have one); that's real slick.
[08:56] <Flonne> Then just show him all the spyware on his system, then comment on how *all* your software can be upgraded with a single click.
[08:57] <dracflamloc> andrewski, how do i get that?
[08:57] <andrewski> lewwy: or leave your system on for a week. :P
[08:57] <geneo91> bb is a cool cli app thats doing gfx with letters and has sound
[08:57] <lewwy> i can't really use windows xp cost factor as a arguing point.
[08:57] <andrewski> dracflamloc: it's in universe, i think.  a kde app.
[08:57] <Flonne> Or three years... (Yes, it's doable.)
[08:57] <kakalto> is gimpshop available in deb?
[08:58] <andrewski> Flonne: i believe it. :)  but even a week would surprise most windows users. :D
[08:58] <kakalto> I know it's available in rpm, but ubuntu doesn't support that
[08:58] <kakalto> does it
[08:58] <lewwy> hey guys, is there some sort of frontend for samba?
[08:58] <lewwy> if its something like samba-GUI then i'll kick myself
[08:58] <Flonne> lewwy, the single most convincing argument I've been able to use is package management.
[08:58] <Flonne> And the fact that you (usually) never have to go driver hunting.
[08:58] <jdub> lewwy: for the server? swat
[08:59] <geneo91> kakalto:  yes u can use alien to install rpms
[08:59] <kakalto> ohk
[08:59] <kakalto> thanks
[08:59] <scott> how can I have ubuntu show an image while it boots up (instead of all the kernel output)?
[08:59] <lewwy> jdub, client man, I want to be able to see my brothers shares as a GUI
[08:59] <Flonne> Gone are those fifteen hours of searching for that soundcard driver some company in Taiwan didn't feel like including with their product.
[08:59] <randabis> heh
[08:59] <jdub> lewwy: you can browse servers and shares in nautilus, just click places > network
[09:00] <andrewski> Flonne: that can backfire though, if the driver doesn't exist in linux but does in windows.  *cough wireless LAN cough*
[09:00] <randabis> scott: usplash, but it isn't released yet...only early betas are available for testing
[09:00] <dracflamloc> andrewski, i meant how do i get kubuntu
[09:00] <Arnia> April Fools is a chore
[09:01] <Arnia> http://planetkde.org
[09:01] <Arnia> http://planet.gnome.org
[09:01] <andrewski> dracflamloc: oh. :)  #kubuntu, dunno the website.
[09:01] <dracflamloc> interesting
[09:01] <dracflamloc> i prefer gnome anyway, but i like to have both
[09:01] <scott> randabis, is it safe to run?
[09:02] <andrewski> dracflamloc: oh, well, you can get kde in the apt repositories....
[09:02] <lewwy> argh crap, synaptic wont start up.  I killed it using ctrl+x in terminal, then it kept alive, and then i made it crash.  how can i make it work again?
[09:02] <lewwy> made it crash via hitting X
[09:02] <randabis> scott: I have it running, no problems so far
[09:03] <andrewski> lewwy: run it again?
[09:03] <scott> randabis, where do I get it?
[09:03] <Flonne> andrewski, that's an unfortunate exception, and worth writing letters to the manufacturer over.
[09:03] <lewwy> randabis, omg dude ur a genius.  Lol, no im kidding.  it still wont startup
[09:03] <andrewski> Flonne: yes, i did that.  *cough Linksys sucks cough*
[09:04] <dracflamloc> is it technically possible to install an rpm in ubuntu?
[09:04] <lewwy> dracflamloc, yes, just use alien
[09:04] <andrewski> lewwy: hey genius, i don't think randabis responded to you.
[09:04] <lewwy> dracflamloc, get it off synaptic
[09:04] <andrewski> dracflamloc: hope you're not doing that for kde... :P
[09:04] <lewwy> andrewski, lol ok sorry. My bad. Any other suggestions?
[09:04] <holy_cow> hey guys, if i have a multiuser system, and the users ofthe system want to have a shared area for storing and working on documents ... how would one set that up on linux?  ideally they cannot access each others files, just the files in the 'shared' area.  any ideas?
[09:04] <andrewski> lewwy: did you run it again?
[09:05] <dracflamloc> andrewski, nope
[09:05] <lewwy> andrewski, yes i did
[09:05] <andrewski> lewwy: and what's the error?
[09:05] <dracflamloc> theres an old piece of software i have that i wrote, but i lost everything but my old rpm =P
[09:06] <scott> holy_cow, I don't know, but ifolder.com might be useful
[09:06] <lewwy> andrewski, no error, it just runs, and dies.  No gui either
[09:06] <randabis> scott: http://kalatlug.nanofreesoft.org/Projects/usplash/snapshots/
[09:06] <andrewski> lewwy: run it in a terminal and paste any error it reports.
[09:07] <lewwy> andrewski, im running it in terminal, and getting no error
[09:07] <lewwy> hang on andrewski i'll restart
[09:07] <andrewski> lewwy: not yet
[09:07] <lewwy> lol
[09:07] <andrewski> lewwy: try killall synaptic
[09:07] <andrewski> lewwy: and run it again.
[09:08] <lewwy> yep, just tried andrewski, still nothing
[09:08] <holy_cow> scott, thanks for that
[09:08] <holy_cow> looks interesting
[09:08] <andrewski> lewwy: ok, dunno.
[09:08] <lewwy> andrewski, restart?>
[09:08] <lewwy> sounds like a plan, brb
[09:12] <andrewski> good night all.
[09:15] <kakalto> does anyone have a deb of gimpshop?
[09:15] <MaRk-I> dang finally
[09:16] <gunnmjk> i saw that gimpshop looks tight
[09:16] <gunnmjk> why didn't anybody do that before
[09:16] <sono> hello friends... this afternoon, I had a terrible problem I exposed here.  Different suggestions were given.  While processing som hi-res images at GIMP, I switched to evolution to quick send an email.  Suddenly my system began doing an infinite swapping... the HD never stop spinning and I lose the system response...
[09:16] <kakalto> probably because it was under development :P
[09:17] <kakalto> ah-huh!
[09:17] <kakalto> I found one
[09:17] <Mestapheles> is this HAPPY APRIL FIRST! gdm background for real?
[09:18] <sono> ...so I was tracking for memory leakage at any of my apps through "top" and other tools
[09:18] <MaRk-I> can anyone help me why I cant connect with eth0 and router??
[09:19] <kakalto> MaRk-I: April Fools.
[09:19] <MaRk-I> kakalto, sorry I'm on pacific time
[09:19] <sono> the problem is: MY SWAP PART. REPORTS 0 total space... and it is perfectly mounted... that was done automaticly by Ubuntu...
[09:19] <MaRk-I> kakalto, try in another hour or so
[09:20] <lewwy> hey guys, when i try to start synaptic in KDE, it says "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[09:20] <lewwy> " any suggestions?
[09:20] <sono> Mark-I : WArty or Hoary Mark?
[09:20] <MaRk-I> sono, warty
[09:21] <MaRk-I> I barely install it about 4 days ago and until today finally got connection
[09:21] <sono> did you ever achieved a network connection Mark-I ?
[09:21] <kakalto> aww
[09:21] <MaRk-I> sono, nope not with router
[09:21] <MaRk-I> right now I have it directly to the dsl modem and eth0
[09:22] <sono> have you got an IP Address? could you post  the ifconfig eth0 result?
[09:22] <sono> of course, connected to the router
[09:22] <lewwy> can anyone suggest a course of action for synaptic seeings it is not working?
[09:22] <MaRk-I> sono, ok let me check
[09:23] <sono> ok MaRk-I, then, check if your router has the DHCP turned on by the way
[09:23] <geneo91> lewwy:  try apt-get -f install
[09:23] <lewwy> Music Player is such a ripoff of iTunes its almost sad
[09:23] <lewwy> thx geneo91
[09:23] <sono> are you able to access the router config from your computer? MaRk-I?
[09:24] <lewwy> geneo91, "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 327 not upgraded."
[09:24] <Mestapheles> yeah but apple did not make iTunes, they bouht it
[09:24] <MaRk-I> sono, yes I can
[09:24] <geneo91> lewwy:  now what do you want to do
[09:24] <MaRk-I> sono, http://pastebin.com/265560
[09:24] <MaRk-I> thats my ifconfig results with router
[09:25] <lewwy> geneo91, i want to run synaptic
[09:25] <MaRk-I> how do I check for updates with apt-get??
[09:25] <kakalto> If I have the source code for something, how do I compile it?
[09:26] <sono> ok MaRk-I, your router's connection and IP assignment looks pretty fine so...
[09:26] <lewwy> man, who else here finds people that ask questions with more than one !/? annoying?
[09:26] <MaRk-I> sono I know but it just wont connect at all
[09:26] <ells> tritium: What is up Mike
[09:26] <sono> MArk-I the problem there is lack of internet acces right?
[09:26] <lewwy> geneo91, any ideas?
[09:26] <tritium> ells, hey, just running disk-diagnostics on my laptop
[09:27] <tritium> and just got back from the game earlier
[09:27] <ells> tritium: I have beens so busy with graduation and everything
[09:27] <kakalto> anyone?
[09:27] <tritium> ells, Congratulations!
[09:27] <ells> tritium: did you find out what was wrong
[09:27] <ells> tritium: thanks again
[09:27] <MaRk-I> sono, don't know what it is seriously I can ping sites, I can ping my router etc. but I just wont connect to anything i.e. internet or irc
[09:27] <geneo91> lewwy:  apt-get install synaptic
[09:27] <tritium> ells, not yet, but it's looking like the hardware is okay, so it's likely filesystem
[09:27] <ells> tritium: that will work
[09:28] <Mestapheles> lewwy: "iTunes was developed from SoundJam MP, a popular commercial MP3 application distributed by the Macintosh software company Casady & Greene" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITunes
[09:28] <netmonk> kakalto, usualy there is a readme file with the source
[09:28] <sono> MaRk-I: strange!  what about firewalls?
[09:28] <kakalto> ahk, thanks netmonk
[09:28] <lewwy> so... did apple actually make anything in OSX?
[09:28] <MaRk-I> sono, hhmmm not that I know of except the router
[09:28] <bdale> hoary-rc... why would the X server fail to initialize the nvidia GLX extension?
[09:28] <lewwy> or is it a compilation of thrown together GNU/Free software?
[09:28] <MaRk-I> sono, but with mdk I even log on wireless
[09:28] <Mestapheles> mybe just Aqua
[09:29] <netmonk> kakalto, usualy ./configure   make    make install
[09:29] <kakalto> is that all in one, or different commands?
[09:29] <sono> ok Mark-I, I had a similar problem with my ehternet card and the iptables package
[09:29] <Mestapheles> since darwin is a ripoff of net abd fbsd.  And I got to say I am not imressed with darwin.  Have you ever tried to run released as per apple?
[09:29] <MaRk-I> sono and what did you do?
[09:30] <sono> after upgrading at warty, to the most recent version available to warty, I had no internet access
[09:30] <sono> I removed the iptables package
[09:30] <geneo91> kakalto:  it 3 commands
[09:30] <kakalto> ahuman01, thanks
[09:30] <kakalto> err
[09:30] <dracflamloc> yay ubuntu is almost done downloadin
[09:30] <sono> unfortunately I couldn't recreate the fault, so my case was somehow useless for the community base.
[09:30] <kakalto> that autocompleted
[09:30] <kakalto> geneo91, thanks
[09:30] <DeadZed> are there any deletable folders in linux .. to regain disk space
[09:31] <dracflamloc> i hope this installs nicely next to my windows server 2003
[09:31] <lewwy> hey guys, I want to remove the DRM from WMA. Is there any applications for linux that will remove this?
[09:31] <geneo91> DeadZed:  apt-get clean
[09:31] <holy_cow> http://labs.google.com/ridefinder
[09:31] <Flonne> DeadZed, "apt-get clean"
[09:31] <dracflamloc> i know one way in windows is just playing the song and having winamp output the playback to a wav
[09:31] <holy_cow> click on one of the taxi links
[09:31] <lewwy> dracflamloc, takes too long
[09:31] <DeadZed> lewwy Ive heard that avisynth in win can be used for DRM
[09:31] <holy_cow> check out the shadow below the fucking popup
[09:31] <kakalto> geneo91, is that ./configure <source file> ?
[09:31] <holy_cow> holy mother of god
[09:31] <holy_cow> heh
[09:31] <DeadZed> Thanks
[09:32] <geneo91> kakalto:  cd into the dir file is in
[09:32] <MaRk-I> sono
[09:32] <Mestapheles> guys, should I be concerned that I found two dirs in my ~ that I did not create after upgrading?
[09:32] <kakalto> then ./configure <file>, right?
[09:32] <sono> yes Mark-I
[09:32] <MaRk-I> this are pings I did to google with router
[09:32] <Mestapheles> they are empty
[09:32] <MaRk-I> mark@mark:~ $ sudo ping www.google.com
[09:32] <MaRk-I> PING www.l.google.com (64.233.167.147) 56(84) bytes of data.
[09:32] <MaRk-I> 64 bytes from 64.233.167.147: icmp_seq=1 ttl=246 time=86.4 ms
[09:32] <MaRk-I> 64 bytes from 64.233.167.147: icmp_seq=2 ttl=246 time=86.2 ms
[09:32] <DeadZed> heh .. apt-get clean gave me 200 MB :)
[09:32] <scott> anyone use rhythmbox? I can't get it to edit the id3 tags of my files. they are -rwxr--r--
[09:33] <kzm> Hi all
[09:33] <sono> Mark-I: well those pings are pretty normal
[09:33] <Dreamer3> are there any tips out there on remastering the Ubuntu live ISO?
[09:34] <MaRk-I> sono, see so how come I cant connect ??
[09:34] <sono> MaRk-I can you access with the w3c browser?
[09:34] <MaRk-I> the card just sits there sending and receiving .5kbs
[09:35] <MaRk-I> sono, sorry don't understand the w3c part
[09:35] <geneo91> MaRk-I:  what is the mtu set at
[09:35] <MaRk-I> 1500
[09:35] <geneo91> change it to 1524
[09:35] <MaRk-I>  BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[09:36] <MaRk-I> geneo91, I'm a newbie how do I do that?
[09:36] <lewwy> crap, how can i force apt-get to release the lock?
[09:36] <kzm> Hmm....Hoary is in flux, I see (21 new since yesterday)
[09:36] <geneo91> ifconfig mtu 1524 (dev)
[09:36] <kzm> Anybody else have problems running gnome-session?
[09:36] <kzm> (Or know what could be wrong?)
[09:37] <MaRk-I> geneo91, ifconfig eth0 mtu 1524???
[09:37] <geneo91> kzm:  what it doing
[09:37] <sono> yes MaRk-I
[09:37] <MaRk-I> or just the way you wrote it?
[09:37] <siimo> hi anyone have problems with latest nautilus in hoary?? the desktop doesnt REFRESH automatically anymore, gotta hit CTRL+R to see files saved on desktop
[09:37] <kzm> Just displaying the new splash, and hanging.
[09:37] <MaRk-I> thanks
[09:38] <Myrtti> siimo: same problem
[09:38] <kzm> strace says it's doing a poll(), I suspect it is waiting for gconfd or something like that.
[09:38] <Myrtti> thanks for the hint on how to bypass the prob
[09:38] <sono> same problem siimo... but I just downloaded new updates right now...
[09:38] <siimo> Myrtti, it seems theres another update to nautilus again, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade  try if its fixed, im doing it too
[09:39] <geneo91> kzm:  explain what you have done so far after install
[09:39] <siimo> sono, i had downloaded updates last night
[09:39] <Myrtti> siimo: I'll try that at home today
[09:39] <siimo> there seem more again
[09:39] <kzm> Nothing much.  I've s/warty/hoary in sources.list and dist-upgraded
[09:39] <sono> siimo right siimo, I did it too, but new updates are available some hours ago
[09:39] <sono> s/are/were
[09:39] <lewwy> so, anyone know any cool apps that i can wow my brother with?
[09:39] <lewwy> he seems to not like linux atm
[09:40] <kzm> I'm using an .xsession, containing gnome-session as (basically) the only command.
[09:40] <sono> siimo: specially for nautilus
[09:40] <Myrtti> lewwy: games
[09:40] <MaRk-I> neither one works
[09:40] <geneo91> kzm:  you still have warty in list
[09:40] <MaRk-I> mark@mark:~ $ sudo ifconfig eth0 mtu 1524
[09:40] <MaRk-I> SIOCSIFMTU: Invalid argument
[09:40] <lewwy> Myrtti, suggest some plz
[09:40] <Myrtti> lewwy: scribus, sodipodi, gimp
[09:40] <kzm> list?
[09:40] <siimo> sono, dpkg -l | grep nautilus
[09:40] <Myrtti> lewwy: tuxracer for one
[09:40] <siimo> sono, could you please post exact version you have
[09:40] <geneo91> repositories list
[09:40] <MaRk-I> mark@mark:~ $ sudo ifconfig mtu 1524 eth0
[09:40] <MaRk-I> SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
[09:40] <MaRk-I> mtu: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
[09:40] <MaRk-I> eth0: Unknown host
[09:40] <Myrtti> those others were just good applications
[09:41] <kzm> No.  Well, the CD-ROM.  But it's not available.
[09:41] <siimo> sono, i just got nautilus_2.10.0-0ubuntu8_i386.deb
[09:41] <sono> thats mine as well
[09:42] <dan_t> hello
[09:42] <geneo91> kzm /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:42] <dan_t> i'm just installed ubunto hoary on my ibook but i'm unable to make suspend to work
[09:42] <kzm> geneo91: no warty there.  'least not now -- I removed the CDROM for good measure.
[09:42] <dan_t> there is any known issue ?
[09:43] <sono> Ill restart now, important files were  updated too, and I will tell you about it siimo.
[09:43] <siimo> sono, it was fine 2 days ago
[09:43] <gunnmjk> dan t, i would like to talk to you ;)
[09:43] <siimo> sono, ok
[09:43] <geneo91> kzm thats a problem then
[09:43] <MaRk-I> how do I check for upgrades with apt-get??
[09:43] <MaRk-I> or updates
[09:44] <geneo91> MaRk-I:  apt-get update
[09:44] <kakalto>  ./configure: command not found
[09:44] <kakalto> ahh
[09:44] <kakalto> never mind
[09:44] <kzm> what is?
[09:44] <kakalto> (me silly)
[09:44] <lewwy> kakalto, i think ur silly
[09:44] <Dreamer3> man they keep updating hoary :)
[09:44] <MaRk-I> geneo91, so if it doesn't d/l anything there's no updates to d/l?
[09:44] <Dreamer3> can't wait until release!
[09:45] <kakalto> what's tbz?
[09:45] <siimo> Myrtti, fixed for me :D
[09:45] <kakalto> file format
[09:45] <kakalto> like, what opens it?
[09:45] <geneo91> kzm:  if you have started updaying to hoary and still have warty in list
[09:45] <lewwy> hoary updates....300mb.... :|
[09:45] <kzm> Btw -- and this  h a s  to be a FAQ -- how do I get mplayer with a reasonable set of codecs?
[09:45] <kakalto> kzm, sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[09:45] <holycow> does anyone know how to setup setings for printers under cups?  the web gui requires a pass but i can't find one, and an error message says that it has been disabled.  i need to send a printjob to a specific tray.  anyone run into something like this?
[09:46] <kakalto> something like that
[09:46] <kzm> E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate
[09:46] <Dreamer3> are there any tips out there on remastering the Ubuntu live ISO?
[09:46] <kakalto> maybe it's w32codec
[09:46] <Myrtti> siimo: good to know
[09:46] <kakalto> I can't remember
[09:46] <dracflamloc> well here goes nothin
[09:46] <dracflamloc> ubuntu cd booted
[09:46] <tritium> kzm, it's on ftp.nerim.net
[09:47] <dracflamloc> god its amost 3am
[09:47] <kzm> right -- I tried it under warty, but couldn't get it to work.  If it does on hoary, I'll give it a whirl.
[09:47] <MaRk-I> man this is frustrating
[09:47] <MaRk-I> hhmmm
[09:47] <sono> siimo: I just rebooted and found the problem is solved with the last upgrade
[09:47] <lewwy> what the heck does this mean "synaptic: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3 but it is not installable".  That package isnt availible anywhere...
[09:47] <siimo> sono, yep
[09:47] <kakalto> dracflamloc, april fools, I set your clock forward :P
[09:47] <kzm> tritium: this one? deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[09:47] <tritium> kzm, unstable main
[09:47] <siimo> sono, didnt have to reboot. just open a term and 'killall nautilus' :D
[09:48] <dracflamloc> wtfbomb!
[09:48] <sono> siimo: well, that's for nautilus, but as I said, there were core components upgraded too
[09:48] <MaRk-I> wireless broadcom chipsets are not supported are they??
[09:48] <kzm> tritium - hehe, coming from Debian, I'm a bit worried about unstable.  But who wants (his computer) to live forever?
[09:48] <dracflamloc> MaRk-I, if they were i'd wet myself. so if you get one workig let me know
[09:49] <sono> siimo: I am still annoyed by the latest ubuntu-nautilus policy of closing previous window
[09:49] <nuge> there's lot of talk of people that have wireless broadcomm working
[09:49] <MaRk-I> dracflamloc, only with mdk and ndiswrapper I did
[09:49] <nuge> have you checked the forums.. ?
[09:49] <sono> siimo: that's happening after yesterday's upgrade
[09:49] <nuge> ndiswrapper + the windows driver is all you need
[09:49] <brainZzZ> heh all you need is a trailer now
[09:49] <dracflamloc> hm
[09:49] <MaRk-I> dracflamloc, linksys dwmp54gs
[09:50] <lewwy> anyone suggest any good reasons to upgrade horay? (via apt-get)
[09:50] <dracflamloc> ?
[09:50] <lewwy> hoary*
[09:50] <MaRk-I> connected at 125Mbs (or so thats what kwifi says)
[09:50] <dracflamloc> hm
[09:50] <dracflamloc> weird
[09:51] <corza> LoL anyone about Google's NEW Google Gulp ?? http://www.google.com.au/googlegulp/
[09:51] <geneo91> lewwy:  how else you going to update
[09:51] <corza> its very interesting in the fact that its an april fools prank
[09:52] <dracflamloc> oh
[09:52] <lewwy> geneo91, I could update manually via cvs...
[09:52] <dracflamloc> can ubuntu by default mount ntfs drives as readonly
[09:52] <MaRk-I> I might work on this one for wireless but I need to resolve my router problem first
[09:53] <geneo91> lewwy:  go for then
[09:53] <lewwy> geneo91, thats the thing...391mbs worth of update.  I'm looking for a REASON to update
[09:54] <geneo91> wait a few more days and it will be more
[09:54] <geneo91> lewwy:  they are debugging it now
[09:55] <Mestapheles> is getting a notice to install a plugin, selecting it to install, and comming back to the page a sign that there is no ppc plugin?
[09:55] <Mestapheles> firefox
[09:55] <geneo91> Mestapheles:  that just dont work
[09:56] <geneo91> use apt-get or synaptic to install plugins
[09:56] <Mestapheles> should install into /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins right?
[09:57] <geneo91> yes if u use the right thing
[09:57] <turf> geneo91: where could i get flash player for ppc architecture? for my mozilla borser?
[09:58] <Mestapheles> if it were to install with the plugin notice, I believe anyway
[09:58] <scott> anyone use rhythmbox? I can't get it to edit the id3 tags of my files. they are -rwxr--r--
[09:58] <MaRk-I> I still couldn't change the MTU
[09:58] <Mestapheles> I don't think there is a lfash for ppc
[09:58] <cvd> hi all, how do i get Xchat to play a sound when a user sends me a new private message, initiating a conversation?
[09:59] <Mestapheles> I could never get rhythmbox to recognize a change in file name I'd made.  I didn't try hard though
[09:59] <Mestapheles> cvd: preferences
[09:59] <cvd> Mestapheles, which sound preference? there are hundreds of options
[10:00] <MaRk-I> cvd settings/preferences/general check beep on pvt msgs
[10:00] <cvd> MaRk-I, k thanks. is there a way to distinguish between a pvt msg that opens a new tab, and another pvt msg in an existing tab?
[10:00] <Mestapheles> chantting/general/Alerts/beep on ...
[10:00] <MaRk-I> cvd not really
[10:00] <cvd> ok
[10:01] <cvd> thanks guys
[10:01] <MaRk-I> they all beep the same :P
[10:01] <MaRk-I> cvd unless you install the tcl scripts on the xchat page
[10:01] <MaRk-I> plays a diff sound on first msg
[10:02] <A-z-i-z> does Hoary have gnome 2.10 ?
[10:02] <geneo91> yes
[10:02] <Sung> hi
[10:02] <brainZzZ> and yes broadband is availible, even for cheep
[10:02] <A-z-i-z> is it the stable version ?
[10:02] <Sung> can someone help me with ubuntu installation ?
[10:03] <geneo91> yes
[10:03] <Sung> actually i am done installing it.
[10:03] <Mestapheles> ?
[10:03] <bob2`> Sung: it's way easier if you just ask your specific question right up
[10:03] <Sung> but when i reboot it the comp and start running it, it never gets pass checking or loading grub something or another.
[10:03] <Mestapheles> so what's the prob?
[10:03] <lewwy> hey guys, should i feel more secure when i put my credit card details in paypal under linux? (compared to windows)
[10:03] <bob2`> lewwy: less chance of spyware stealing it
[10:03] <bob2`> lewwy: but the same chance of paypal ripping you off
[10:04] <Mestapheles> lol
[10:04] <Sung> i am using a LIVE CD atm.
[10:04] <Sung> but it just automatically reboots the comp.
[10:04] <Sung> over and over again.
[10:04] <bob2`> Sung: did you install windows or sometihng?
[10:04] <lewwy> why does every1 always diss paypal
[10:04] <bob2`> Sung: or install a new kernel?
[10:04] <Mestapheles> I'v never used the live to install from, try installing from reg cd
[10:04] <Sung> windows was already installed.
[10:04] <bob2`> lewwy: because they have a bad history with being honest
[10:04] <MaRk-I> Sung, press F1 for help or F3 for diff booting options
[10:04] <Sung> no i used the real one.
[10:05] <bob2`> lewwy: I'm sure on the whole they're great, but there are examples of them being completely useless
[10:05] <Mestapheles> Sung: windows should have nothing to do with it
[10:05] <bob2`> Sung: did you do anything after the install finished?
[10:05] <Sung> i used the i386 install version.
[10:05] <cvd> MaRk-I, which script has the useful functionality?
[10:05] <bob2`> Mestapheles: unless windows killed grub
[10:05] <Sung> no except take the CD out.
[10:05] <scizzo> A-z-i-z: hoary is not marked stable yet...
[10:05] <Mestapheles> a windows update might mess up the bootloader but that's it asik
[10:05] <Sung> but after it failed i tryed to to switch book sectors on the patitioner
[10:05] <scizzo> A-z-i-z: it is going to be in April sometime
[10:05] <Mestapheles> afaik
[10:05] <geneo91> Sung:  can you mount your linux ext3 partition with live cd
[10:06] <bob2`> Sung: you mean "mark a partition as bootable"?  linux doesn't care about that.
[10:06] <Sung> i dunno .
[10:06] <Sung> oh
[10:06] <Sung> hehe
[10:06] <MaRk-I> cvd, hhmm there's several but some are included already you just have to put them in the ~/.xchat folder to load automatically
[10:06] <FlimFlamMan> does the live cd boot on dual-proc systems?  i tried it on a dual-athlon system, and a friend tried it on a dual ppc system - both failed.  it worked on a single-cpu intel box though
[10:06] <cvd> MaRk-I, thanks
[10:07] <geneo91> FlimFlamMan:  yes
[10:07] <Sung> i am running the live CD on a single processor sys.
[10:07] <MaRk-I> cvd np I'd give you the names but just installed ubuntu and really havent done so in this xchat
[10:07] <holycow> anyone have hoary insist on printing to a4 regardless of settings?
[10:07] <bob2`> FlimFlamMan: it should work fine
[10:07] <FlimFlamMan> geneo91, have you used it on dual-proc system?
[10:07] <Mestapheles> has anyone noticed emplty dirs in ~ after updates or dist-upgrades?
[10:07] <FlimFlamMan> ok...
[10:07] <geneo91> yes this one here
[10:07] <bob2`> FlimFlamMan: it has the same kernel as the install cd
[10:08] <bob2`> Mestapheles: nothing should touch anything in ~/
[10:08] <holycow> i think i haveto change this in the locale ... not to google that
[10:08] <Sung> hmmmm.
[10:08] <FlimFlamMan> actually come to think of it when i tried it on mine i got a coffee-colored background and mouse pointer but no login dialog
[10:08] <brainZzZ> things that make you go hmmmm....
[10:08] <Sung> how do i mount the linux ext3 partition ?
[10:08] <FlimFlamMan> or desktop
[10:08] <bob2`> FlimFlamMan: might be an X problem, or a corrupt cd
[10:08] <FlimFlamMan> cd is ok - worked on another sys
[10:09] <Mestapheles> bob2: well I have two funny empty folder under /home/USER
[10:09] <bob2`> Mestapheles: called?
[10:09] <Sung> so anyone have any advice on what i can do ?
[10:09] <roel> Mestapheles: so you keep saying, which ones?
[10:09] <Mestapheles> one named 'P' and another "ync"
[10:09] <lunitik> haha @ www.planetkde.org and planet.gnome.org
[10:09] <roel> who owns them?
[10:10] <roel> sounds like you typoed or so
[10:10] <Mestapheles> says I do, and there are no other users registered as user either
[10:11] <siimo> hi how do i use UTF8 ?
[10:11] <Sung> should i just reinstall ubunta ?
[10:11] <siimo> or change my encoding to that ?
[10:12] <Mestapheles> I know some utils can be replaced with hacked ones so as to cover trails but can Admin/Users and Groups be hacked fairl easily?
[10:12] <lewwy> anyone want to explain why when i try to install synaptic (i uninstalled it) i get an error saying " synaptic: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3 but it is not installable"  I have tried installing the package to do with this, but its older then the one i've got installed.  suggestions?
[10:13] <geneo91> well its bed time here
[10:13] <geneo91> nite all
[10:13] <bob2`> lewwy: on hoary?
[10:13] <brainZzZ> what does a glock have to do with this, exactly?
[10:13] <lewwy> bob2, yeh, on hoary
[10:13] <bob2`> try updating
[10:14] <dracflamloc> um
[10:14] <bob2`> I'd be very very surprised if synaptic was uninstallable atm
[10:14] <dracflamloc> woh
[10:14] <dracflamloc> my laptop touchpad isnt working at the login screen of ubuntu
[10:14] <lewwy> i have like trillians of repositries, this may take a while
[10:14] <bob2`> subterrific: you could just try reinstalling, maybe your disk got corrupted in some weird way
[10:14] <bob2`> lewwy: why?
[10:14] <brainZzZ> it will take a while before you are all the way well and you can relapse if you don't take care
[10:14] <bob2`> what's not in hoary?
[10:14] <dracflamloc> oh here we go
[10:14] <bob2`> brainZzZ: please try to stay on topic
[10:14] <brainZzZ> try to stay on topic
[10:15] <holycow> anyone know which dpkg-reconfigure command lets one changed the default page size?
[10:15] <lewwy> bob2, just did what wiki told me
[10:15] <bob2`> lewwy: no wiki page tells you to add lots of random untrusted and untested lines to your sources.list
[10:16] <lewwy> bob2, actually theres not millions, and i only did what wiki told me to do
[10:16] <bob2`> lewwy: *what* wiki?
[10:16] <lewwy> bob2, sides, security = not a big issue
[10:16] <dracflamloc> um
[10:17] <dracflamloc> whats the default root password for ubuntu
[10:17] <lewwy> bob2, bugger now i have to find it, hope ur happy
[10:17] <bob2`> dracflamloc: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:17] <bob2`> lewwy: I want to correct such misinformation
[10:17] <siimo> LOL nice april fools login screen on hoary
[10:17] <lewwy> go ahead bob2
[10:18] <bob2`> oh lordy
[10:18] <lewwy> bob2, op me!
[10:19] <bob2`> lewwy: I will fix it when you give me the url ...
[10:19] <lewwy> crap, wheres the sources directory?
[10:19] <bob2`> directory?  or the sources.list file?
[10:19] <MaRk-I> lol
[10:19] <lewwy> where would have dpkg-source: extracting synaptic in synaptic-0.55+cvs20050330 gone too?
[10:20] <bob2`> lewwy: the directory you're in
[10:20] <bob2`> lewwy: why are you rebuilding synaptic?
[10:20] <lewwy> i dont think thats any of your business bob2`
[10:21] <MaRk-I> dang
[10:21] <bob2`> just wondering if there was a reason or not
[10:21] <lewwy> lol
[10:21] <scott> is it true that neither muine or rhytmbox can edit id3 tags?
[10:21] <lewwy> bob2`,  theres sorta a reason
[10:21] <lewwy> bob2`, im hoping it'll fix me apt problems
[10:21] <bob2`> lewwy: it won't
[10:22] <bob2`> unless you magically got a version of synaptic no one else has
[10:22] <bob2`> which is unlikely
[10:22] <lewwy> i mean, synaptic problems
[10:22] <dracflamloc> whats the best way to make sure that the nvidia-drivers are installed correctl
[10:22] <dracflamloc> y
[10:22] <bob2`> dracflamloc: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:22] <lewwy> dracflamloc, go type glxgears and make sure the fps is over 1000
[10:22] <bob2`> reading that
[10:22] <Flonne> dracflamloc, glxinfo | grep render
[10:22] <MaRk-I> is it safe if I install a dif kernel?? I have 2.6.8.1-3-386, want to know if k7 would be better for AMD cup
[10:22] <MaRk-I> cpu*
[10:23] <bob2`> MaRk-I: dpeneds which amd cpu
[10:23] <MaRk-I> athlon 850Mhz
[10:23] <lewwy> man....i wish i was using linux in 1993 instead of windows...
[10:23] <lewwy> oh wait *stupid*
[10:23] <lewwy> more like 1996
[10:23] <bob2`> khwarizmi: it might give some speed boost
[10:23] <Flonne> lewwy, Linux 1.0 was... well...
[10:23] <bob2`> linux was usable in 1993
[10:23] <lewwy> dodgy?
[10:24] <Flonne> Barely.
[10:24] <lewwy> yeh, but with all my leet knowledge (because i would have been able to pick things up) i woulda owned at linux today
[10:24] <Flonne> Of course, I didn't start playing with it 'til '97.
[10:24] <lewwy> but no, here i am getting confused on why the hell synaptic wont run/install
[10:24] <lewwy> i couldve been a guru!
[10:24] <Flonne> And I didn't take it seriously until 2.2 was out...
[10:24] <lewwy> damn you bill gates
[10:25] <MaRk-I> bob2`sorry AMD athlon 850Mhz
[10:25] <dracflamloc> uhoh
[10:25] <dracflamloc> i restatred X and my screen is just garbled
[10:26] <MaRk-I> brb
[10:26] <bob2`> MaRk-I: it might give some small speed boost
[10:26] <bob2`> lewwy: why did you uninstall it to begin with?
[10:26] <bob2`> dracflamloc: using the proprietary nvidia drivers?
[10:26] <dracflamloc> yes
[10:26] <lewwy> bob2, because it stopped working
[10:27] <dracflamloc> i'm running a laptop with geforce mx 440, and 1600x1050 screen res
[10:27] <lewwy> bob2`, im still in the habit of windows (something doesnt work, reinstall)
[10:27] <bob2`> lewwy: "stopped working"?
[10:27] <bob2`> lewwy: you need to get out of that habit
[10:27] <bob2`> dracflamloc: might have to reboot then
[10:27] <lewwy> bob2`, it died, its really that simple
[10:27] <Flonne> lewwy, config files dictate everything in this world.
[10:27] <bob2`> lewwy: "died" is not a useful description
[10:27] <bob2`> lewwy: did it segfault?  fail to run due to missing libraries? etc.
[10:27] <dracflamloc> bob2`,i rebooted and the screen is still garbled
[10:28] <bob2`> dracflamloc: hah, yay nvidia
[10:28] <dracflamloc> it worked fine when i was using nv
[10:28] <UBabe> i managed to install the Java SDK to get jTunes to run, now the hardest part i have to do is get a launcher to open the .jar file! :P
[10:28] <lewwy> bob2`, ok, heres what happened. I used to run synaptic, and *blug* just *didnt* work.  No errors in terminal, nothing
[10:28] <freet> hello guys
[10:28] <freet> got this question
[10:28] <UBabe> how can i add a .jar file to the file launcher and get it to be run by java??
[10:28] <bob2`> lewwy: you mean, you'd run "sudo synaptic" from a terminal, and no window would popup at all?
[10:28] <Flonne> dracflamloc, can you describe how it's "garbled"?
[10:28] <bob2`> UBabe: how do you run it from the terminal?
[10:28] <lewwy> bob2`, then i rebooted (twice) and i finally got some error saying that it needed an outdated version of apt to work.  So i try to install the outdated one, screws up the dependencies, so i have to reinstall the new one
[10:29] <freet> i started dist-upgrade to hoary this morning, in a gnome terminal, but now x crashed, and i cant answer to the question it asks
[10:29] <lewwy> bob2`, no error no nothing.  its weird i know....
[10:29] <UBabe> bob! thats the thing! I dont run it in terminal! Ive just double clicked it in Gnome, then it asks what application do you want ti to run with?
[10:29] <bob2`> lewwy: er
[10:29] <Dreamer3> what filesystem does ubuntu use for it's livecds?
[10:29] <freet> does anyone know if its possible to redirect it to a konsole?
[10:29] <bob2`> lewwy: that's still not a useful explanation.  "got some error saying that it needed an outdated version of apt to work", you'd need to tell us the exact error, and where you saw it, and how you got it
[10:30] <lewwy> ok soz bob2
[10:30] <freet> i started dist-upgrade to hoary this morning, in a gnome terminal, but now x crashed, and i cant answer to the question it asks
[10:30] <bob2`> freet: if X crashed, apt is probably gone too
[10:30] <bob2`> lewwy: so, where did you see it?
[10:30] <freet> bob2`: nope
[10:30] <bob2`> Dreamer3: some variation on cloop, aiui
[10:30] <freet> bob2`: its still in my ps aux
[10:30] <jacques_merde> hey, i like the MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowto page on the ubuntu documentation, but is there an equivalent guide somewhere for if you have a usb midi controller?
[10:30] <lewwy> so bob2` heres the error that apt gives me "  synaptic: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3 but it is not installable"
[10:30] <bob2`> freet: hah, weird
[10:30] <UBabe> i find java in my opt directory and choose it to run jTunes
[10:30] <bob2`> lewwy: yes, I know.  tell me the error you got before you decided to remove it
[10:31] <bob2`> UBabe: does "java /path/to/jarfile.jar" work i na terminal?
[10:31] <freet> bob2`: and i can see it running in terminal, i mean, the things i opened in gnome are still visible, but i cant do anything with em
[10:31] <lewwy> uhhh *blushes*
[10:31] <gabaug> I've got great signal strength with a Linksys Wireless-G PCI adaptor on Hoary, but I can't get it to get an address from the 802.11b ap's dhcp server...any common reasons?
[10:31] <bob2`> freet: well, unless you ran it in screen, you'll have to kill it
[10:31] <lewwy> bob2, konsole was closed since then, any ideas on where logs are kept?
[10:31] <freet> bob2`: dam
[10:31] <bob2`> freet: if it got up to asking questions, you might need to run "dpkg --configure -a" before re-running apt
[10:31] <bob2`> lewwy: logs on what?
[10:31] <freet> bob2`: is it bad for the future?
[10:31] <lewwy> bob2`, logs on kernel
[10:31] <freet> bob2`: k
[10:31] <bob2`> lewwy: you still haven't said WHAT printed this mysterious error about needing an "old version of apt to work"
[10:32] <bob2`> lewwy: the kernel did not ever say anything about apt or synaptic, trust me
[10:32] <bob2`> freet: nah, it'll be fine
[10:32] <bob2`> freet: screen is handy in future, tho :-)
[10:32] <freet> bob2`: yeah i know :d
[10:32] <dracflamloc> go figure
[10:32] <lewwy> bob2`, it should be in google cache, checking
[10:32] <Flonne> Did you figure it out, dracflamloc?
[10:32] <dracflamloc> no
[10:32] <dracflamloc> =(
[10:33] <Flonne> Can you describe how it's "garbled"?
[10:33] <lewwy> thats right, libapt somethingrather.  I looked it up on google, and it came with an outdated version of apt bob2`
[10:33] <dracflamloc> ummmmm
[10:33] <bob2`> lewwy: lord
[10:33] <bob2`> lewwy: no
[10:33] <dracflamloc> Flonne, yes, its just a mess of white and weird colors all over
[10:33] <dracflamloc> looks a new age "artwork"
[10:33] <UBabe> bob: this is the wierd thing...
[10:33] <lewwy> bob2`, i know i cant describe crap
[10:33] <dracflamloc> very hippy-ish
[10:33] <bob2`> lewwy: it's impossible to help when all we have to go on is your vague (And confused) rememberings of the problem
[10:33] <UBabe> bob: i get this error message:
[10:33] <bob2`> lewwy: run "sudo apt-get update" now
[10:33] <Flonne> Mind a PM, dracflamloc?
[10:33] <UBabe> bob: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: /home/joebaez/Applications/ileechitunes45/iLeech.jar
[10:33] <UBabe>    at kaffe.lang.AppClassLoader.findClass (AppClassLoader.java:294)
[10:33] <UBabe>    at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass (ClassLoader.java:143)
[10:34] <freet> bob2`: thx :)
[10:34] <LittleWashu> Ubuntu Forver!
[10:34] <jacques_merde> hey, i like the MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowto page on the ubuntu documentation, but is there an equivalent guide somewhere for if you have a usb midi controller?
[10:34] <UBabe> damn given away my name! *blush!*
[10:34] <lewwy> SuSE forever!
[10:34] <bob2`> lewwy: and then paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[10:34] <cvd> where can i find esdplay on ubuntu?
[10:34] <UBabe> Hubsh froleines forever! :D
[10:34] <cowbud> UBabe: try a whois on yourself ;)
[10:34] <MaRk-I> how do I do fuzzy search on apt-get??
[10:34] <UBabe> heheh
[10:34] <dracflamloc> Flonne, sure PMs are fine
[10:34] <bob2`> cvd: hoary or warty?
[10:35] <bob2`> MaRk-I: you can't
[10:35] <masabbat> cvd: should be in esdtools
[10:35] <UBabe> yyeah theres my name :P
[10:35] <cvd> hoary
[10:35] <cowbud> ;)
[10:35] <lewwy> ok bob2` from my recreation of the problem, it needed something that was in apt_0.5.28.6_i386.deb.  it was definitely libapt something
[10:35] <cowbud> UBabe: chfn is your friend..
[10:35] <bob2`> lewwy: no, you're confused again
[10:35] <UBabe> chfn???
[10:35] <bob2`> lewwy: or covering up what you did before or something
[10:35] <MaRk-I> bob2` thanks so how do I search for pkgs??
[10:35] <rdw200169> after you compile you're own kernel... how do you set up grub to boot it?
[10:35] <bob2`> lewwy: *why* did you remove synaptic?  what error did you have then?
[10:35] <lewwy> bob2`, i ran the kynaptic
[10:35] <bob2`> MaRk-I: apt-cache search blah bleh
[10:35] <PoisynLylac> ok having install problems... lol anyone willing to help a  *nix noob?
[10:36] <cvd> masabbat: there's no esdtools package
[10:36] <MaRk-I> bob2` thanks again
[10:36] <bob2`> PoisynLylac: best to just ask your question
[10:36] <lewwy> i got the error, and then i uninstalled it, and reinstalled it, closed konsole, (browsed internet) opened konsole, get this error now
[10:36] <bob2`> MaRk-I: no problem
[10:36] <bob2`> lewwy: "the error" is not useful
[10:36] <UBabe> chfn -f Ubuntu babe
[10:36] <UBabe> oops...
[10:36] <PoisynLylac> well during install it goes to detect the CDROM and says none found and asks about modules
[10:36] <PoisynLylac> and i can't find one that works
[10:36] <cowbud> UBabe: yah changes your user info that Info name in the whois is taken by your chat client from linux user info
[10:36] <lewwy> bob2`, ffs i know its not useful but i'll be damned if konsole doesnt keep logs
[10:36] <LittleWashu> From this mement you and ubunto are inexsplicitly bound, ubuntu user and user of ubuntu
[10:36] <bob2`> cvd: esound-clients, afaict
[10:37] <bob2`> lewwy: no terminal is going to log every single thing it ever prints
[10:37] <lewwy> uhhh what? whats that sposed to mean LittleWashu ?
[10:37] <bob2`> lewwy: now paste your sources.list to #flood
[10:37] <bob2`> UBabe: chfn changes the "real name" data stored with your account on your computer
[10:37] <lewwy> k
[10:38] <freet> waah
[10:38] <freet> bob2`: getting this error
[10:38] <masabbat> cvd: esound-clients
[10:38] <PoisynLylac> so is there anyway to find a driver for my cdrom or a possible work around given i have no floppy drive lol
[10:38] <masabbat> sorry
[10:38] <holycow> anyone know how paper size is controlled in ubuntu?  /etc/papersize does nothing, and configuring cups via gnome gui does nothing ... any tips?
[10:38] <UBabe> bob2: well no matter any idea why i can run a .jar file in Gnome and not in terminal?
[10:38] <bob2`> UBabe: I don't, sorry
[10:38] <lewwy> LittleWashu, whats that about?
[10:38] <bob2`> holycow: it's probably per-app
[10:38] <UBabe> bob: hrm, this might help us
[10:38] <cvd> masabbat, bob2 is that in main or universe?
[10:39] <bob2`> cvd: universe
[10:39] <masabbat> universe AFAIK
[10:39] <holycow> bob2 oh ouch, even test pages?
[10:39] <UBabe> bob:you know the Run Application section under applications?
[10:39] <cowbud> holycow: go to the website of cups daemon
[10:39] <bob2`> holycow: no, that'd be cups itself
[10:39] <holycow> *hmmmm* k
[10:39] <bob2`> UBabe: yes
[10:39] <cowbud> holycow: i.e. localhost:631
[10:39] <holycow> oh thats disabled on ubunty
[10:39] <holycow> you can't admin anything via that
[10:40] <holycow> y=u
[10:40] <cowbud> holycow: uhh yes you can go there then click on manage printers then go to configure printer the paper size is right there
[10:40] <cowbud> uhh it is disabled in ubuntu?
[10:40] <cowbud> huh well enable it :)
[10:41] <holycow> what? how? :)
[10:41] <Dreamer3> how i canonical supposed to make money again?
[10:41] <cowbud> holycow: look in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
[10:41] <holycow> i would need root pass and there is no root on ubuntu?
[10:41] <bob2`> lewwy: jesus christ
[10:41] <bob2`> lewwy: don't add more crap
[10:41] <bob2`> lewwy: and get rid of the stupid backports line right now
[10:41] <lewwy> bob2`, lol im kidding
[10:42] <cowbud> holycow: hrmm well you'll just have to be clever :)
[10:42] <bob2`> lewwy: dro pthat, run apt-get update
[10:42] <bob2`> then try reinstalling synaptic
[10:42] <holycow> cowbud, heh :) smartass
[10:42] <lewwy> bob2`, what are backports?
[10:42] <UBabe> bob2: well theres a section that says Run with file
[10:42] <bob2`> lewwy: the ubuntu-bp line
[10:42] <bob2`> lewwy: they're poorly made packages from hoary rebuilt pon warty
[10:43] <bob2`> er, the packages are fine to begin with
[10:43] <cowbud> holycow: setup a root passwd and see if it works..mine does
[10:43] <lewwy> bob2`, my system cant find dro
[10:43] <UBabe> bob2: i managed to get the .jar file to run here without any problems once I found the directory where the .jar file was
[10:44] <bob2`> lewwy: I don't know what "dro" is
[10:44] <lewwy> bob2` lewwy: dro pthat, run apt-get update
[10:44] <bob2`> lewwy: drop
[10:44] <UBabe> bab2: theres probably just some extra suffix i need to add to the terminal command, im just dont know what it is
[10:44] <bob2`> ie delete the ubuntu-bp lines
[10:44] <lewwy> oh ok
[10:44] <drbombay43> yellow ,can anyone give me the syntax for a US debian repository that I can add to my sources.list,Please
[10:45] <deFrysk> and comment the cdrom line i would think
[10:45] <bob2`> drbombay43: don't add debian lines on your ubuntu system
[10:45] <UBabe> anyone know how to add a document to the Applictions menu?
[10:45] <lewwy> bob2`, thx backports removal fixed the prob
[10:45] <zerokarmaleft> anybody have good experiences with running f-spot 0.0.12 on hoary?
[10:45] <Dreamer3> hmmmm
[10:46] <Dreamer3> why does irssi depend on glib
[10:46] <lewwy> bob2`, if backports are screwy, why are they made?
[10:46] <deFrysk> drbombay43, use multiverse universe
[10:46] <bob2`> lewwy: because some people are silly
[10:46] <holycow> cowbud thats interesting
[10:46] <lewwy> bob2`, but what do they actually do?
[10:46] <bob2`> lewwy: please find the wiki page that suggested you use them so I can fix it
[10:46] <cowbud> holycow: work out for ya?
[10:46] <lewwy> DEAR GOD
[10:46] <bob2`> Dreamer3: it uses glib
[10:46] <lewwy> bob2`, #flood now, i've got the original error that synaptic gave me
[10:46] <bob2`> lewwy: they're hoary versions of packages recompiled to work on warty
[10:46] <Dreamer3> bob2`: evidentally :)
[10:46] <drbombay43> bob2; thank you, deFrysk; good looking
[10:47] <Dreamer3> bob2`: guess i can't disable that
[10:47] <bob2`> Dreamer3: why would you want to?
[10:47] <Dreamer3> bob2`: building a customized SMALL irssi
[10:47] <holycow> cowbud, i found a weird quirk, i've been trying to print test pages via gnome cups manager ... that only sends out a4, yet, i can print from other apps to 8.5x11 but not legal
[10:47] <bob2`> lewwy: bah
[10:47] <holycow> that is beyond weird
[10:47] <Dreamer3> bob2`: ripping out perl support, for example
[10:47] <bob2`> lewwy: stop letting morons advise you on anything
[10:47] <bob2`> lewwy: don't run it as root
[10:47] <bob2`> lewwy: sudo synaptic
[10:47] <lunitik> bob2`: ;)
[10:48] <lunitik> bob2`: ;) http://www.ubuntulinux.org/search?SearchableText=Backports
[10:48] <lewwy> wtf
[10:48] <lewwy> are you serious
[10:48] <lewwy> that fixed my problem
[10:48] <bob2`> yes
[10:48] <deFrysk> bob2, /j #morons
[10:48] <cowbud> holycow: btw wtf are you smoking even in gnome-cups-manager I can change the paper..
[10:48] <bob2`> of course it does
[10:48] <lewwy> hooray for fuzzy logic : |
[10:48] <bob2`> lewwy: no, it's not fuzzy logic, it makes perfect sense
[10:48] <cowbud> horray for tequila
[10:48] <lewwy> bob2`, explain it then
[10:48] <holycow> cowbud, i can change it to whatever i want
[10:48] <holycow> it only sends a4 to the printer
[10:48] <cowbud> holycow: through what program?
[10:48] <bob2`> lewwy: huh?
[10:49] <bob2`> lewwy: X is running as your normal user.  then you try to run saomething as a different user.  X says "piss off".
[10:49] <lewwy> bob2`, if sudo runs it as root anyway, whats the difference su'ing into root and rnning it anyway
[10:49] <lewwy> oh ok i get it now
[10:49] <bob2`> lewwy: do you want random other users being able to do stuff on your screen?>
[10:49] <holycow> gnome cups manager only sends a4 to the printer, regardless of settings
[10:49] <cowbud> holycow: hrmm...odd
[10:49] <lewwy> bob2`, i doubt that x server would actually say "piss off"
[10:49] <bob2`> sudo works around it by setting XAUTHORITY or something
[10:49] <Dreamer3> bob2`: the more i get used to sudo the more i like it
[10:49] <bob2`> lewwy: it does
[10:50] <holycow> cowbud, *nod* i frankly can't believe it either
[10:50] <bob2`> lewwy: that's what "connection refused" means
[10:50] <lewwy> bob2`, kthx bob
[10:50] <Dreamer3> bob2`: i'm still thinking of the need to create an admin type user with a known password though, cause i ever forget mine, then i'd be (temporarliy) hosed
[10:50] <cowbud> holycow: did you check for bugs?
[10:50] <lunitik> bob2`: haha
[10:50] <cowbud> i.e. google ;)
[10:50] <bob2`> Dreamer3: well, if you forget one, I'd think you'd forget both ;)
[10:50] <bob2`> lewwy: please find the wiki page so I can fix it
[10:51] <Dreamer3> bob2`: perhaps :)
[10:51] <bob2`> lewwy: bah
[10:51] <lewwy> bob2`, i'm not even sure it was on a wiki, i think it was on a forum
[10:51] <bob2`> lewwy: you were reading the stupid BreakMyUbuntu page, weren't you?
[10:51] <Dreamer3> bob2`: maybe ubuntu needs a "what's your birthday and what's your grandmother's favoriate cousin's maiden name?" remember my password feature ;-)
[10:51] <bob2`> lewwy: there you go, it's best to ignore everythings on the forums
[10:51] <bob2`> Dreamer3: hehehe
[10:51] <lewwy> so....just use wiki and this IRC
[10:51] <lewwy> seems simple enuff
[10:51] <bob2`> and the list
[10:51] <lewwy> and the *list*
[10:51] <lewwy> what list?
[10:51] <bob2`> or the forums if you're sure of what the person is saying
[10:52] <bob2`> the mailing list, on http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[10:52] <lewwy> oh yeh ,im signed up to that
[10:52] <lewwy> bob2`, are you like, one of the admin dudes for ubuntu?
[10:52] <bob2`> no
[10:52] <bob2`> I don't work on ubuntu, I just work for the same company
[10:52] <lunitik> lewwy: anyone with an account can edit pages
[10:52] <cowbud> bob2`: ahh doing what?
[10:52] <lunitik> lewwy: even you if you go sign up...
[10:52] <pepsi> ;)
[10:53] <lunitik> lewwy: true community based documentation  8)
[10:53] <bob2`> cowbud: bazaar.canonical.com, baaaaybe
[10:53] <lewwy> okay heres another one for you bob2`
[10:53] <Sung> sung
[10:53] <lewwy> bob2`, i have libmad installed, however music player complains of nothing being able to handle mp3
[10:53] <lunitik> bob2`: ahh... I need to learn to code so I can check that thing out in a useful way  :(
[10:53] <cowbud> bob2`: ahh another revision control system?
[10:53] <bob2`> lewwy: indeed, you need gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:54] <bob2`> lewwy: I don't know what page would have said you need libmad
[10:54] <lunitik> bob2`: surely it is covered by the 'BreakMyUbuntu' part?  ;)
[10:54] <lewwy> yeh i got that too, still no salami
[10:54] <lewwy> wait, im thinking confliction
[10:54] <bob2`> lewwy: then rhythmbox at least should be able to play
[10:54] <holycow> oh for fucks sake
[10:54] <holycow> cowbud, thx
[10:54] <bob2`> lunitik: heh
[10:54] <holycow> bug 2790
[10:54] <bob2`> blah, I hate the wiki
[10:54] <^DM> does anybody know or have a dynalink external modem?
[10:54] <cowbud> holycow: :) yah I hate that shit
[10:55] <holycow> sorry about that, getting used to ubuntu and too many other things happening at the same time
[10:55] <bob2`> ^DM: external modems should Just Work
[10:55] <lunitik> bob2`: not that bad... so long as people go through and audit it... some of the things on there is laughably wrong...
[10:55] <cowbud> holycow: the fun part about bugs is playing the game "Whose bug is it anyway"
[10:55] <cowbud> is it your distros? is it upstream? Ohh who knows fuck it I am not filing naything
[10:55] <holycow> lol cowbud well i appreciate bouncing the ideas back at me
[10:55] <bob2`> lunitik: oh, I mean, I hate using it
[10:55] <holycow> i just wasn't seeing it
[10:55] <^DM> yeah but i need to know the power input, i read somewhere that it's 12v 1 amp AC
[10:56] <cowbud> holycow: hey cows have to stick together
[10:56] <lewwy> bob2`, where would i get rythmbox?
[10:56] <lunitik> bob2`: I haven't found myself using it that much either... other then fixing errors etc...
[10:56] <lewwy> nvm mispell
[10:56] <holycow> cowbud, haha :) that too *nod*
[10:57] <lewwy> hmmm
[10:57] <bob2`> lewwy: you already have it installed
[10:57] <lewwy> get ubuntu working, or do science assignment. HMMMMMMMMMM
[10:57] <^DM> so does anyboby have a dynalink external modem??
[10:57] <deFrysk> it the music player in menu lewwy
[10:57] <lunitik> bob2`: heh... heh... stupid little things like people changing the wiki type... and bad syntax in the wiki etc...
[10:57] <lewwy> bob2, deFrysk, it wont play mp3 files
[10:57] <lewwy> bob2, yes, gstreamlibmad wahtever
[10:58] <deFrysk> the madplugin is what you need lewwy
[10:58] <bob2`> lewwy: paste the output of "dpkg -l rythmbox gstreamer0.8-mad | tail -n2" to #flood
[10:58] <lewwy> THANKYOU deFrysk
[10:58] <deFrysk> forgot the correct name
[10:58] <lewwy> i think deFrysk just solved my problem.  I need a plugin
[10:58] <bob2`> the correct name is gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:58] <lunitik> lewwy: 'apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad' is what you were told... for _everyone_ else... this allows mp3 playback...
[10:58] <bob2`> yes, the plugin is the package I told you to install
[10:58] <bob2`> 18:58:12          bob2` | lewwy: paste the output of "dpkg -l rythmbox gstreamer0.8-mad | tail -n2" to #flood
[10:58] <bob2`> lewwy: do that
[10:59] <MaRk-I> ^DM, http://www.dynalink.com.au/products/ check your model then at bottom says full spec sheets
[10:59] <bob2`> so
[10:59] <bob2`> shockingly
[10:59] <bob2`> lewwy didn't actually install the package I told him to
[10:59] <bob2`> how strange rhythmbox doesn't work
[10:59] <bob2`> 18:58:28          bob2` | the correct name is gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:59] <lunitik> bob2`: *g* nuh uh  :P
[11:00] <bob2`> I told you that 4 times now
[11:00] <lewwy> i tell you what
[11:00] <lewwy> i'll be frigging damned
[11:00] <lewwy> i installed that!
[11:00] <lewwy> linux lies!
[11:00] <lewwy> LIES!
[11:00] <^DM> thanks mark, but ive been there before, and no help
[11:00] <deFrysk> lewwy, I think you just f00kerd your ubuntu
[11:00] <MaRk-I> ^DM, what's the model?
[11:01] <cowbud> lewwy: nah you are referring to another os
[11:01] <lewwy> hooray
[11:01] <lewwy> now i get a segmentation fault
[11:01] <cowbud> ohh shit my CPU is hitting 100% why big W ohh why?
[11:01] <^DM> v1456vqe
[11:01] <lunitik> cowbud: 'top'  :/
[11:01] <bob2`> lunitik: from what?
[11:01] <cowbud> lunitik: the big W is for windows ;) lunix tells you
[11:01] <bob2`> er, lewwy
[11:01] <lewwy> bob2`, now i get a segmentation fault apon loading a mp3 directory
[11:01] <bob2`> oh lord
[11:01] <zerokarmaleft> how come changelogs for bleeding edge hoary packages can't be d/led through synaptic?
[11:02] <bob2`> you need to learn to be way more specific when describing problems
[11:02] <lunitik> cowbud: so does Windows... if you know where to look  :/
[11:02] <cowbud> bob2`: I am interesting in working on say ubuntu security is there a possiblity in getting started with that if so how would I go about that (yah you might not be the one to ask but you at least work for the company)
[11:02] <lewwy> ok you want specific
[11:02] <cowbud> lunitik: yah info isn't as obvious at is in linux
[11:02] <cowbud> at/as
[11:02] <bob2`> lewwy: do you mean "When I run 'rhythmbox /mnt/dir/', where the dir contains a ton of mp3s, it crashes with a segfault error."?
[11:02] <lunitik> bob2`: is what from what?  you lost me  :(
[11:02] <bob2`> zerokarmaleft: there's no changelog server for ubuntu, afaik
[11:02] <corza> someone help me with samba?
[11:03] <bob2`> lunitik: typo, sorry
[11:03] <cowbud> corza: more specific questions lead you down the path of enlightenment
[11:03] <woodywarty> How do I use GnuPG to sign my mails in clearsign mode ?
[11:03] <corza> cowbud: well i need to give my windows computer access to sharing my ubuntus printer
[11:03] <lewwy> bob2`, loading works fine.  I can muck around and play .mod files properly.  However, upon clicking music->  import folder it crashes when i select a directory and click "Open" with a segmentation fault
[11:03] <lewwy> are we happy now?
[11:03] <woodywarty> In Evolution
[11:03] <bob2`> cowbud: hrm. what sort of security?  you'd need to be working on a distro to help with security updates, in most cases, but other stuff you can ask about on the ubuntu=-security list.
[11:03] <cowbud> corza: ahh well cups should be able to do that without windows..
[11:03] <lewwy> the songs are on a NTFS drive
[11:04] <MaRk-I> ^DM, did you check the discontinued models??
[11:04] <corza> cowbud: wat?
[11:04] <lunitik> corza: have you tried to do anything with it? we can help with issues... but not too many people will be willing to teach you to use samba
[11:04] <bob2`> lewwy: I'm not being a dick, I need this information to actually help you
[11:04] <cowbud> bob2`: well isn't there a ubuntu security team that watches out for security issues and tests patches etc?
[11:04] <corza> lunitik: yes i have
[11:04] <^DM> no i didn't
[11:04] <MaRk-I> V1456VQE-R1 EXTERNAL V.90 FAX/VOICE/DATA MODEM <<< that it??
[11:04] <lewwy> bob2`, i know and appreciate that, and im sorry.  I still dont fully understands the concepts of linux
[11:04] <corza> lunitik: i have edited the settings in samba and even used "guest ok = yes"
[11:04] <bob2`> cowbud: sure, but they'd be doing most of their stuf before the issue is publically known
[11:04] <lewwy> bob2`, and i really do appreciate you helping me lie this
[11:04] <woodywarty> How do I use GnuPG to sign all my mails in Evolution  in clearsign mode ?
[11:04] <zerokarmaleft> bob2, http://changelogs.ubuntu.com isn't it?
[11:04] <MaRk-I> ^DM, http://www.dynalink.com.au/products/obsolete_index.htm
[11:05] <bob2`> cowbud: and you'd need to be on vendor-sec to help with that, but that would require already working on security for another distro
[11:05] <cowbud> corza: hold on I got a link coming..
[11:05] <corza> lunitik: my windows pc can see that the printe ris there and it has all the drivers installed for the printer but it has 'denied access'
[11:05] <lewwy> so bob2` was the info i gave u any good?
[11:05] <cowbud> bob2`: so how could I start to get in to that area?
[11:05] <bob2`> zerokarmaleft: oh, cool, didn't know that existed
[11:05] <bob2`> lunitik: can you try logging into the wiki?
[11:06] <Dreamer3> sheesh, maybe i'm too used to uclibc, but 700kb for irssi seems a bit large for a irc client :)
[11:06] <holycow> thanks for putting up with my dumb questions tonight
[11:06] <holycow> later
[11:06] <terry97> can someone tell me of a good file manager for fluxbox
[11:07] <Dreamer3> terry97: nautilus? *winks*
[11:07] <lunitik> bob2`: I could... but it takes an insanely long time to actually log in via Konqi...
[11:07] <deFrysk> mc
[11:07] <terry97> it doesnt work with fluxbox
[11:07] <lewwy> ok, i have sucessfully narrowed down that the files being on a NTFS drive is not a problem.  When i go to open location, i get a segmentation fault again bob2`
[11:07] <Dreamer3> terry97: sure it does :) it just depends on gnome, hence the joke :)
[11:07] <lewwy> upon actually opening a file
[11:07] <bob2`> lewwy: what does "dpkg -l rhythmbox | tail -n1" print out?
[11:07] <Dreamer3> terry97: try rox
[11:07] <bob2`> can someone else try logging into the wiki for me?
[11:07] <lewwy> ii  rhythmbox      0.8.8-7ubuntu3 music player and organizer for GNOME
[11:08] <lunitik> bob2`: worked here...
[11:08] <lewwy> ...and im in KDE.  Is that a problem bob2` ?
[11:08] <^DM> Power Supply 12 Volts AC 1 Amp. <--- thanks MaRk-I , now i have to find my ac/dc output box, had it for 10 years and now that i want to use it i cant find it, lost in my house somewhere
[11:08] <terry97> what is the joke I dont get it
[11:08] <lunitik> bob2`: and they say hitting a widget multiple times doesn't speed anything up  8)
[11:08] <bob2`> cowbud: I'd guess helping with universe security would be a good start, but #ubuntu-motu would know more about that
[11:08] <cowbud> corza: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#networkprinter
[11:08] <MaRk-I> ^DM, good luck m8
[11:08] <bob2`> lunitik: hrm, thanks
[11:08] <lewwy> however that said XMMS plays MP3's
[11:08] <cowbud> bob2`: cool thanks
[11:08] <lunitik> bob2`: you having issues?
[11:08] <lewwy> why does the quality seem more sharper in linux...
[11:08] <bob2`> lunitik: shouldn't be
[11:09] <bob2`> bah
[11:09] <Dreamer3> lewwy: imagination
[11:09] <bob2`> lewwy: shouldn't be
[11:09] <Sung> I just installed Ubuntu and done afterthing right up to rebooting after installation of ubuntu but once the BIOS finshes and grub is suppose to load it just reboots again.
[11:09] <corza> cowbud: i've tried that already
[11:09] <Dreamer3> lewwy: despite it's many advantages some secret mp3 decoder no one else has is not possesed by linux alone :)
[11:09] <bob2`> lunitik: yeah, was getting a login popup window from firefox
[11:09] <bob2`> Dreamer3: well, mad is theoretically better than most other ones
[11:09] <bob2`> dunno if it's audiably better
[11:10] <lewwy> ok xmms now plays mp3's correctly
[11:10] <Dreamer3> ah, 557k for irssi
[11:10] <Sung> no one has any suggestions ?
[11:10] <lunitik> bob2`: ahh... yuk... heh... I didn't get anything like that though... specific to employees perhaps?
[11:10] <lewwy> ...
[11:10] <lewwy> damn me
[11:11] <bob2`> lunitik: hrm, weird
[11:11] <lewwy> video playing just started working aswell....
[11:11] <freet> does anyone know a good konsole - multimedia player?
[11:11] <Sung> grub won't load on boot.
[11:11] <cowbud> corza: alright well then check this one for samba stuff http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing/sharing_with_windows.html
[11:11] <freet> Sung: that sux
[11:11] <freet> Sung: :D
[11:11] <Sung> yes it does.
[11:11] <freet> Sung: u sure u haven't overwritten it?
[11:11] <Sung> i haven't done anything to it since install.
[11:11] <bob2`> freet: cplay is nice
[11:11] <corza> cowbud: yep been there too
[11:12] <freet> bob2`: k ill give it a try
[11:12] <cowbud> corza: alright and what happens?
[11:12] <lunitik> freet: mplayer ... uhh... mpg123 ... there are a bunch..
[11:12] <cowbud> corza: lets hammer this out wtf I got time..
[11:12] <Sung> freet: is there a hotkey or something so i can manually load grub ?
[11:13] <freet> Sung: no, dont think so
[11:13] <freet> bob2`: it won't install
[11:13] <bob2`> freet: ok...
[11:13] <bob2`> works fine here
[11:13] <Sung> freet: so i should just reinstall it ?
[11:13] <dracflamloc_> =)
[11:13] <dracflamloc_> i'm on ubuntu!
[11:13] <lunitik> Sung: umm... you mean ESC?  I dont' get what you mean by "a hotkey to manually _load_ grub"?
[11:13] <lewwy> bob2`, do you know how to get gmplayer to work in fullscreen?
[11:13] <v3n0m> Hey all if i put the 500mb download of ubuntu onto a dvd disc will it work orrite ???
[11:13] <freet> Sung: i think so
[11:13] <bob2`> lewwy: probably hit f
[11:13] <bob2`> works in mplayer
[11:13] <freet> Sung: u have an ubuntu live cd?
[11:13] <Sung> lunitik: i am a big newbie atm.
[11:13] <cowbud> corza: you did that did you restart samba?
[11:13] <Sung> freet: i am on the live verison.
[11:14] <Tuxicity> dracflamloc_, welcome :)
[11:14] <freet> Sung: ah
[11:14] <lewwy> no go bob2` it keeps it the same size, doesnt stretch it
[11:14] <Flonne> :)
[11:14] <lunitik> lewwy: edit /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf ... its well commented...
[11:14] <freet> Sung: just a silly question; it aint with the livecd in your pc your grub doesnt load? :)
[11:14] <lunitik> bob2`: in Ubuntu... appears to assume your computer sucks  :P
[11:14] <Sung> freet: however i also downloaded the install version and finshed installing it but it gets far as about to load the Grub, then it just goes blank and reboots.
[11:15] <v3n0m> hey seveas
[11:15] <gabaug> where do a put a kernel module after compiling it so that it will be automatically loaded/found on boot?
[11:15] <bob2`> lewwy: just use mplayer then
[11:15] <Sung> freet: i may be using the wrong techinal jaragon.
[11:15] <v3n0m> can i put ubuntu onto a dvd disk, like will it boot fine or will it not work???
[11:15] <lunitik> gabaug: /etc/modules
[11:15] <bob2`> gabaug: what module wasn't included in the default kernel?
[11:15] <gabaug> bob2: rt2500
[11:15] <freet> Sung: dunno :)
[11:16] <gabaug> er, bob2`
[11:16] <v3n0m> does any 1 no?
[11:16] <Sung> well i am off to explore some more.
[11:16] <bob2`> odd
[11:16] <Sung> its been some 2 days just to partition the dam HD cuz of Microsoft.
[11:16] <cowbud> corza: I just set it up using that page..so if you have questions ask them :)
[11:17] <gabaug> lunitik: ok, I added a line in there...what directy do I put the .ko file for it to find it?
[11:17] <gabaug> lunitik: er, what directory
[11:17] <freet> wtf if i try to apt-get install i'm getting errors = the following packages cannot be authenticated :s
[11:17] <freet> what's wrong?
[11:17] <woodywarty> How do I use GnuPG to sign all my mails in Evolution  in clearsign mode ?
[11:17] <lunitik> gabaug: when you compiled... it should have resulted in a file somewhere in /lib/modules ...
[11:17] <lewwy> hooray for gmplayer scaling!
[11:18] <freet> wtf if i try to apt-get install i'm getting errors = the following packages cannot be authenticated :s
[11:18] <freet> what's wrong?
[11:18] <MaRk-I> how do I check or download security updates??
[11:18] <lunitik> freet: don't repeat...
[11:18] <freet> lunitik: sorry :)
[11:18] <michael__> hey, i like the MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowto page on the ubuntu documentation, but is there an equivalent guide somewhere for if you have a usb midi controller?
[11:18] <lunitik> freet: newly dist-upgraded to hoary?
[11:18] <freet> lunitik: jup, some twenty minutes ago
[11:18] <lunitik> freet: heh... here, I just let it complain... then did it again, and it had auto-fetched the key...
[11:19] <woodywarty> I am going mad. How do I use GnuPG to sign all my mails in Evolution  in clearsign mode ?
[11:19] <freet> lunitik: strange
[11:19] <freet> lunitik: aha found out
[11:19] <lunitik> freet: afaict, its auto-fetched during apt-get update ...
[11:19] <freet> lunitik: just doing apt-get update solves it all
[11:20] <freet> lunitik: hehe :p
[11:20] <woodywarty> How do I use GnuPG to sign all my mails in Evolution  in clearsign mode ?
[11:20] <freet> lunitik: thx
[11:20] <lunitik> freet: yw... although, not entirely sure how I helped  :P
[11:20] <bob2`> woodywarty: you don't need to keep asking over and over
[11:20] <bob2`> woodywarty: it's quite possible it doesn't do non-mime sigs, since they're deprectaed and annoying
[11:21] <dracflamloc_> hm
[11:21] <freet> lunitik: well, you brought me on the idea to apt-get update :p
[11:21] <Tuxicity> MaRk-I, security updates skhould show up in Synaptic if u have the security repos
[11:21] <cowbud> corza: here is more info with just cups if oyu want to ditch samba (if oyu are just using it for printing..) http://www.owlfish.com/thoughts/winipp-cups-2003-07-20.html
[11:21] <freet> can i open entire directories with mpg321?
[11:21] <gabaug> why is it so difficult to make a link from my desktop to a directory (one that happens to be on a mounted vfat partition)?
[11:22] <bob2`> freet: mpg321 *
[11:22] <cowbud> gabaug: uhh it shouldn't be hard what are you trying?
[11:22] <freet> ah :)
[11:22] <MaRk-I> Tuxicity, hhmm ok thanks just read one in the wiki page posted today... I'll check
[11:22] <bob2`> woodywarty: http://bugzilla.ximian.com/long_list.cgi?buglist=21954
[11:23] <gabaug> cowbud: the only way I know how in GNOME is to use the context menu option and then move the link that's created to wherever I want...
[11:23] <gabaug> cowbud: but that's greyed out
[11:23] <cowbud> gabaug: open a terminal cd Desktop then do ln -s /whereever NAMEOFLINK
[11:23] <cowbud> try that
[11:23] <freet> cant play from my mount directory, "argument list too long"
[11:24] <bob2`> that's true
[11:24] <freet> freet: /mnt/Documents and Settings/...
[11:24] <lunitik> freet: try mpg123 ... it sucks less  :P
[11:24] <bob2`> using mpg321to play your music is going to highly annoying, anyway
[11:24] <gabaug> cowbud: yeah...I know...but it's dissapointing that people uncomfortable with the cli can't do it easily
[11:24] <bob2`> lunitik: no it doesn't
[11:24] <bob2`> mpg123 does the same thing but with a stupid license
[11:24] <lunitik> freet: use auto-complete... you need \ 's in front of each space
[11:25] <cowbud> gabaug: well I can do that fine..care to ellaborate more on your issue? I.e. give me specifics and I will try it but making a link from say documents and settings is no problem through gnome on this end..
[11:25] <freet> lunitik: i do use auto-complete :p
[11:25] <bob2`> lunitik: that won't help
[11:25] <bob2`> it's a shell limitation
[11:25] <bob2`> use cplay or xargs
[11:25] <gabaug> cowbud: what I really want are icons on the desktop that look like disks that will browse the mounted partitions when clicked ... like removable media except for not removable
[11:25] <bob2`> but xargs will b a highly annoying music player
[11:25] <freet> maybe with " " 's
[11:25] <lunitik> bob2`: for my use case it does... I have no stolen music... so its useless to if it can't play .pls files remotely
[11:25] <bob2`> er, ok
[11:26] <bob2`> I have enough music from ripping my cds that * is not going to work
[11:26] <bob2`> mplayer is a better streaming thing anyway
[11:26] <freet> well, i can open one song :p
[11:26] <cowbud> gabaug: yah there is something f'd up in ubuntu what I do is restart dbus and they appear :)
[11:26] <cowbud> I haven't taken the time to find what theroot cause is..
[11:27] <freet> here i go upgrading to kde :p
[11:27] <deFrysk> upgrading ?
[11:27] <deFrysk> ;p
[11:27] <deFrysk> to KDE ?
[11:27] <deFrysk> ??
[11:27] <gabaug> cowbud: well I can see that some people might not like their partitions visible on their desktop...but it'd be nice if it was easily doable
[11:27] <freet> deFrysk: well yeah, u know what i mean
[11:27] <lunitik> freet: would have been less annoying if you'd just fetched Kubuntu install cd...
[11:27] <freet> deFrysk: yeah, 3.4
[11:27] <cowbud> gabaug: yah there is a gconf key to "show volumes" and the bastard still doesn't work correctly..
[11:27] <deFrysk> kde = blah
[11:27] <cowbud> deFrysk: lets not start that
[11:28] <gabaug> cowbud: and the lack of right-click drag support to copy, move or link kills me, even though I've been off windows 4+ yrs
[11:28] <deFrysk> nm
[11:28] <Xappe> gabaug: at least so they appear on the Places menu
[11:28] <deFrysk> cowbud, I wont
[11:28] <freet> lunitik: well, i exceeded my bandwidth so it would take some years to fetch it, so i used one of those CD's they delivered me :)
[11:28] <lunitik> deFrysk: not to be a troll... but KDE has everything I want GNOME to have... and its faster... so I'd consider it an upgrade.
[11:28] <deFrysk> lunitik, good for you
[11:28] <cowbud> gabaug: try middle
[11:29] <lunitik> deFrysk: I know right.
[11:29] <cowbud> gabaug: is that what you are looking for?
[11:29] <deFrysk> :D
[11:29] <gabaug> cowbud: hah!!! been using GNOME for years and never knew that!
[11:29] <lunitik> grrr
[11:29] <gabaug> cowbud: why did they choose middle click drag and not follow MS..?
[11:30] <cowbud> gabaug: got me
[11:30] <MaRk-I> no wonder it wasn't updating.... the security repos wasn't checked :P
[11:30] <cowbud> gabaug: but I recently stumpled on the middle click of doom as well and what do you know now I am sharing it :)
[11:30] <gabaug> cowbud: of course, doing that and choosing "Make link" on the disk icons in the "Computer" nautilus window causes an "Error: Unsupported operation while linking...blahblah"
[11:31] <gabaug> cowbud: anyway, thanks for the help
[11:31] <ericf> With the newest hoary, I thought the "Human" windowing-theme was like clearlooks, but brown: with rounded edges, and a bit smaller squares/x-es in the buttons at the top-right of the window. When I switched to clearlooks, and then back to Human, the Human theme had sharp edges. Can anyone confirm this?
[11:32] <ericf> (it's also possible that I'm mistaken)
[11:32] <brainZzZ> i have no idea that i'm *helping*, but its no skin off my back
[11:33] <Burgundavia> ericf: the latest human is done with the clearlooks engine
[11:33] <cowbud> gabaug: yah sorry it wasn't a complete enlightenment :)
[11:34] <ericf> Burgundavia: Ah. Then something is weird here. Is it still clearlooks-like if you switch off and back to Human?
[11:34] <ericf> Burgundavia: at your system
[11:34] <brainZzZ> you have a driver or dll loading that your system doesn't like. have you checked the hardware compatablilty list and make sure win2k3 likes your parts?
[11:34] <Xira> I just did an apt-get upgrade
[11:34] <Xira> in hoary
[11:34] <Xira> and rebooted
[11:34] <brainZzZ> sigmund raises his hoary head
[11:34] <Xira> and now the default theme changed
[11:34] <Xira> did this happen for everyone else!?
[11:34] <Burgundavia> ericf: hmm. I have never changed the look. I happen to like human.
[11:34] <wdh> Xira, you like it?
[11:34] <wdh> :P
[11:35] <Xira> Well
[11:35] <ericf> Xira: isn't it great :) here too, I must say i like it
[11:35] <Xira> It was clearlooks
[11:35] <Xira> Now it's back to it was in warty
[11:35] <ericf> Burgundavia: Yes, me too, but that wasn't the question :) Can you try, please
[11:35] <Xira> well
[11:35] <Xira> It has the clearlooks scrollbars
[11:35] <Burgundavia> ericf: can do
[11:35] <Xira> but the warty titlebar
[11:35] <Xira> Right?
[11:35] <ericf> Xira: Heeeeey, here too :)
[11:35] <ericf> Xira: I was just mentioning it
[11:35] <souki> ericf: for me, Human is square corner, clearlook is round
[11:35] <Xira> oho k
[11:35] <Xira> I just got scared
[11:35] <Xira> o.O
[11:35] <wdh> Xira, maybe the clearlooks theme changed?
[11:35] <Xira> No
[11:36] <Burgundavia> ericf: yes it does
[11:36] <Xira> This was the warty-style titlebars
[11:36] <Burgundavia> ericf: let me restart x and see if that helps
[11:36] <ericf> Burgundavia: good idea
[11:36] <freet> does a konsole-browser exist?
[11:36] <Xira> What do you guys think about the newest human
[11:37] <Xira> It's a mix bewtween the warty stlye-clearlooks
[11:37] <ericf> Xira: I think it's a mistake
[11:37] <Xira> ericf, huh?
[11:37] <ericf> Xira: I hope it is ;)
[11:37] <souki> ericf: are you talking about the "Human" theme or "ClearlookHuman" theme ?
[11:38] <ericf> The Human theme with the sharp edges
[11:38] <Xira> souki, the latest apt-get update in hoary changes human to a mix bewtween human and clearlooks
[11:38] <ericf> souki: I don't know about clearlookhuman, but I think that was and should be the default :)
[11:38] <souki> Xira: I've updated 2 hours ago
[11:38] <Xira> I just did
[11:39] <Xira> LMAO
[11:39] <Xira> MY LOGIN SCREEN
[11:39] <Xira> WTF
[11:39] <brainZzZ> lmao.
[11:39] <Xira> april first.. hah
[11:39] <jsgotangco> haha
[11:39] <Xira> scared the shit out of me
[11:39] <ericf> rotlfmaopimp
[11:39] <Xira> thought I got rooted
[11:39] <jsgotangco> you get 3 guys hugging each other
[11:39] <jsgotangco> LOL
[11:39] <jsgotangco> :D
[11:39] <ericf> w00t w00t
[11:39] <ericf> :-s
[11:40] <Xira> Maybe the theme's apart of it too?
[11:41] <Burgundavia> ericf: rebooting didn't help
[11:41] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[11:41] <Burgundavia> ericf: it seems it rolled back one revision in the clearlooks-human theme
[11:41] <ericf> Burgundavia: Well, it's the new default theme, then. I don't know if that's a mistake or a decision, though.
[11:41] <Burgundavia> ericf: no
[11:42] <Burgundavia> ericf: it seems the default theme was updated
[11:42] <ericf> downgraded :-P
[11:42] <Burgundavia> very wierd in any case
[11:43] <Tuxicity> Normally, should I use the "default" or "smart" upgrade method in Synaptic?
[11:43] <ericf> Tuxicity: If you run hoary, yes
[11:44] <Tuxicity> ericf, no Warty
[11:44] <saber> Anyone ever have a problem with the load averages reported by warty?
[11:44] <Tuxicity> ericf, and yes to which?
[11:44] <ericf> Tuxicity: ow :)
[11:44] <saber> my cpu usage is pretty low (the machine is idle), and the uptime is really high
[11:44] <ericf> Tuxicity: In warty there is no need to do smart-upgrade, but I think it won't really hurt
[11:44] <scizzo> saber: well...isn't that good?
[11:44] <deFrysk> smart means dist-upgrade
[11:45] <Xira> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Britannica_takeover_of_Wikimedia
[11:45] <Xira> rofl
[11:45] <saber> i don't think so scizzo. an idle machine shouldn't have high load averages
[11:46] <brainZzZ> up 72 days, 2:46, 20 users, load averages: 1.95, 1.45, 0.97
[11:46] <saber> well you've got a few users on there.
[11:47] <Tuxicity> deFrysk, when should I dist-upgrade if ever?
[11:47] <Burgundavia> Tuxicity: if you are running the development versions, then yes
[11:47] <Burgundavia> Tuxicity: or you are updating to the next stable version
[11:47] <deFrysk> Tuxicity, dist-upgrade when deps are not met without installing new packs
[11:48] <Tuxicity> Burgundavia, deFrysk: ok thnks
[11:48] <Burgundavia> Tuxicity: np
[11:49] <deFrysk> Tuxicity, dist-upgrade can also remove packs when deps are not met (it warns then)
[11:50] <jsgotangco> later all
[11:51] <n4cht> rawr.  i'm so pissed off.
[11:51] <Burgundavia> ?
[11:52] <n4cht> stupid dalnet.
[11:52] <terry97> anyone suggest a browser for fluxbox
[11:52] <scizzo> terry97: firefox
[11:52] <terry97> got that
[11:53] <n4cht> no peering to comcast, so when i manage to connect directly to a server... i get:  Closing Link: 0.0.0.0 (You match the pattern of a known trojan
[11:53] <n4cht> apparently, to dalnet, linux is a virus.
[11:53] <Rod_> what is the name of the network card on the asus k8n-deluxe motherboard? i cant figure it out :(
[11:53] <dracflamloc> um how do i get mp3 support into ubuntu
[11:53] <kakalto> easily
[11:53] <scizzo> n4cht: who cares about that network?
[11:54] <kakalto> just out of curiousity, dracflamloc, have you seen www.ubuntuguide.org ?
[11:54] <scizzo> dracflamloc: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:54] <kakalto> or that site
[11:54] <n4cht> i do.  that's where i started out, and a lot of people i know still hang out there.
[11:54] <n4cht> i'm trying to drag them over to freenode though.  :)
[11:54] <Rod_> my network card doesnt work and the binary drivers fail to install while the binary drivers of the video card install just fine
[11:54] <scizzo> n4cht: try different servers
[11:54] <dracflamloc> kakalto, nope i just stumbled upon ubuntu's main site earlier
[11:54] <n4cht> scizzo, ALL of them do it.
[11:54] <dracflamloc> now that i know i'll ve sure to look
[11:54] <scizzo> n4cht: cool
[11:55] <kakalto> ahk, well, it's a good link
[11:57] <garrut> Rod_: what has your videocard got to do with your network card?
[11:57] <MaRk-I> brb rebooting
[11:58] <Rod_> garrut, well the nvidia binary videocard drivers install just fine but the nvidia network + audio drivers wont install just fine
[11:58] <Rod_> so it aint a gcc / linux headers apt-get prob
[11:58] <Rod_> it should use forcedeth anyway but doesnt work
[11:59] <Rod_> i cant believe im the only one with this prob... it? completely common hardware
[11:59] <scizzo> nvidia network?
[11:59] <n4cht> wow.  so it's not just XChat.  every client i've tried has had the same result: DALNet thinks linux is a trojan.
[11:59] <Rod_> well i cant figure out which network card i precicely have :( Its an onboard from asus k8n-deluxe
[12:00] <lewwy> only 2hrs and 48 mins till hoary updates :rolleyes:
[12:01] <lewwy> hey heres a good question.  What exactly is the point of updating in hoary?
[12:01] <lewwy> Stability? Speed?
[12:02] <n4cht> keeping packages up to date?
[12:02] <MaRk-I> wth!!!!
[12:02] <lewwy> yeh n4cht but with synaptic
[12:02] <n4cht> brb
[12:02] <MaRk-I> how do I change the log in screen???
[12:02] <lewwy> MaRk-I, i should know this, and i almost do
[12:02] <lewwy> but i dont
[12:02] <scizzo> MaRk-I: change the log?
[12:03] <Tuxicity> ahahaha
[12:03] <lewwy> MaRk-I, i suppose...if you like that sort of thing
[12:03] <n4cht> i quite like letting ubuntu do all my updating for me... cuz i'm lazy.
[12:03] <brainZzZ> hahahaha
[12:03] <MaRk-I> lewwy, what sort of thing?? a bar or hugging guys??
[12:04] <lewwy> hugging guys...
[12:04] <MaRk-I> err not even drunk
[12:04] <Telep> what's wrong with hugging guys??
[12:04] <Kamakazie> hrm,  how can i decompress a rar?
[12:04] <Telep> unrar
[12:04] <Kamakazie> unrar ./file.rar doesnt work
[12:04] <MaRk-I> anyways brb
[12:04] <lewwy> Kamakazie, rar-nonfree package i think
[12:04] <Kamakazie> it fails
[12:04] <Telep> hmm
[12:05] <lewwy> or unrar-nonfree
[12:05] <n4cht> the rar file might be bad, maybe?
[12:05] <MaRk-I> oops wrong X.. brb
[12:06] <n4cht> 'it fails' is kinda non-descript.  i'm sure it gives some sort of error when it fails.  it doesn't just say "yeah.  failure.  guess who's not getting anything out of THIS rar archive, sucker!"
[12:07] <lewwy> lol n4cht
[12:07] <lewwy> hey, how do i make x server able to take the 2048x1536 resolution? quake3 just windows itself when i try to change it that high
[12:07] <petemc> Kamakazie: have you tried looking at the unrar man page?
[12:07] <lewwy> and yes, i can play it at 60fps at that res :D
[12:08] <dwa_> why would you even want that res?
[12:08] <dwa_> :)
[12:08] <Rod> wasnt me
[12:08] <lewwy> testing performance differences between windows and linux dwa_
[12:08] <rdw200169> in grub... where does the initrd file come from?
[12:08] <n4cht> lewwy, wow.  that's... just.. wow.    i just spent 5 years in 800x600, and FINALLY upgraded to a monitor capable of 1280x1024...  that's... wow.
[12:08] <cowbud> rdw200169: /boot it is created with mkinitrd
[12:09] <dwa_> can't you change it in the xorg.conf file lewwy ?
[12:09] <archangel_19> can anyone see what I type?
[12:09] <lewwy> n4cht, my 19" can take 2048x1536 at 60hz
[12:09] <cowbud> archangel_19: yers
[12:09] <dwa_> no archangel_19
[12:09] <cowbud> hah
[12:09] <n4cht> arch, no.  no we can't.
[12:09] <rdw200169> thanks
[12:09] <lewwy> no we cant archanel_19
[12:09] <lewwy> omg
[12:09] <Tuxicity> poor fellow o_0
[12:09] <lewwy> he better not have fallen for it
[12:10] <n4cht> lewwy, i'm running a 17" philips CRT.    sucks to your 19" of love.
[12:10] <lewwy> n4cht, so any idea on how to up it to 2048x1536?
[12:11] <n4cht> absolutely no frickin' clue.... aside from maybe defining it in xorg.conf, and setting it as the default res?
[12:11] <garrut> adding to your xorg.conf doesn't work?
[12:11] <rdw200169> i just finished compiling a new kernel... and i would like to know if theres anything *special* i have to do for ubuntu
[12:12] <rdw200169> as far as mkinitrd for grub is concerned
[12:12] <n4cht> not meant to sound condescending, snarky, or otherwise asshat-ish.  i'm just suggesting how i would do it, without any knowledge of whether or not xorg can even run at that res.
[12:13] <lewwy> uhhh n4cht im the one asking about resolutions
[12:14] <n4cht> it was brought to my attention over a quick bite to eat at a diner around 2am that i frequently come off sounding rather condescending, even when it's clear that's not how i meant it.  so, from now on, when i catch myself doing that expect me to be like "oh, snap.  my bad."
[12:14] <n4cht> rofl lewwy
[12:14] <lewwy> wow
[12:14] <lewwy> even he things i should
[12:14] <lewwy> thinks*
[12:15] <lewwy> lol im probably gonna get banned for that lol
[12:16] <n4cht> lewwy, it was definately witty and entertaining.  if i knew a quick and easy way to solve your problem, that would have definately prompted me into action.
[12:16] <n4cht> and now, i've seen it all.
[12:17] <lewwy> lol i get them off bash
[12:17] <n4cht> i was just thinking to myself today: "yanno, if i could just see a random spatulaman, my life will be complete, and i can die happy."
[12:17] <Tuxicity> lewwy, curious, what gfx card uve got there?
[12:18] <lewwy> GeForce fx5600 w/256mb ram
[12:18] <lewwy> cost me 170 bucks, not last year ,but the year before
[12:18] <lewwy> which is what they cost 2day ;
[12:18] <lewwy> ;)
[12:18] <Tuxicity> lewwy, lucky
[12:18] <n4cht> shite.  if you CAN'T run Q3 at 60FPS in _any_ res, something is severely wrong.   what's your avg FPS w/glxgears?
[12:19] <lewwy> 25,000
[12:19] <n4cht> wow.
[12:19] <lewwy> no
[12:19] <lewwy> kidding
[12:19] <lewwy> 3161 after 5 mins
[12:19] <lewwy> 3600 after 10 secs
[12:19] <lewwy> 4019 after 15
[12:19] <lewwy> 4112 after 30 secs
[12:19] <n4cht> wow.  ok.. my 64MB GeForce 3 must be on some serious steroids.
[12:19] <lewwy> probably averaging the 4000 mark
[12:20] <lewwy> anyone else here?
[12:20] <LittleWashu> I'm kind of here, fading in and out
[12:20] <Tuxicity> n4cht, have older cards better linux drivers maybe??
[12:21] <lewwy> yeh, my fx5600 is cheap
[12:21] <n4cht> 5 sec: 2424, 10 sec, 2925, 15 sec 3396, 20 sec 3411, 30 sec 3226, after that it holds solid around 3400 FPS
[12:21] <lewwy> i think its only got 128 bit pipeline :(
[12:21] <lewwy> yeh but how much did THAT cost u
[12:21] <n4cht> absolutely nothing.  it was in a computer a friend gave me to use for parts.
[12:22] <lewwy> whaaa
[12:22] <lewwy> wish i had friends like that
[12:22] <n4cht> along with a SB Live! Platinum.
[12:22] <lewwy> ...
[12:22] <lewwy> hes obviously in love with you
[12:22] <n4cht> she.  ;)
[12:22] <lewwy> oh lol
[12:22] <MaRk-I> lewwy, computer/system conf/log in screen setup (Happy April's First) geez
[12:23] <n4cht> i surround myself with hotties who adore me, much to my wife's constant irritation.
[12:23] <n4cht> lol
[12:23] <lewwy> lol wife
[12:23] <lewwy> good wife?
[12:23] <n4cht> lewwy, she uses linux.    need i say more?
[12:24] <UBabe> Konqueror, available for Ubuntu? I cant seem to find it in my repositories, multiverse and universe are both turned on.
[12:25] <n4cht> wow.
[12:25] <mopflite> konqueror is an internal component of kde I believe, so one would I think need to install kde and then one would have it - it's not available as a standalone app afaik
[12:25] <n4cht> second xchat segfault ever.
[12:25] <n4cht> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.10-5-386 |  AMD Athlon(tm)  1248.760 MHz | Bogomips: 2465.79 | Mem: 102/251M [||||||||||]  | Diskspace: 21.19G Free: 12.37G | Procs: 83 | Uptime: 1 day 12 mins 44 secs | Load: 0.38 0.56 0.36  | Vpenis: 22.4 cm | Screen: nVidia Corporation NV20 [GeForce3 Ti 500]  (rev a3) @ 1280x1024 (24 bpp) Corespeed: 239.826 MHz | eth0: In: 184.33M Out: 10.03M
[12:25] <n4cht> Sensors: HDD:
[12:26] <mopflite> n4cht: have you tried irssi?
[12:26] <Seveas> konqueror is in main
[12:26] <UBabe> its just that Im using ubuntu for PPC
[12:26] <n4cht> mopflite, is irssi CLI or GUI?
[12:26] <Seveas> CLI
[12:26] <mopflite> cli but it's easy to learn, unlike say ircii
[12:26] <lewwy> hey, would ubuntu be a viable oppurtunity for a 200mhz?
[12:26] <n4cht> then.. no.
[12:26] <lewwy> brb
[12:26] <lewwy> leave ur answers for when i get back plzkthx
[12:26] <n4cht> if i were to use any cli client, it would be bitchx.
[12:27] <scizzo> n4cht: why are you using one of those system info thingys?
[12:27] <n4cht> scizzo, because i like to flaunt my completely gimped system for fun.
[12:27] <UBabe> i got java to install using the IBM instructions on the following link http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/JavaPPC
[12:27] <rem> hey, I have a hardware question: as soon as the cpu reaches 41 degrees Celcius (~105) the computer freezes. So as long as I dont do anything its ok, but when I start using it and reaches that temp it freezes..
[12:28] <UBabe> but apparently no Java plugins are available for Mozilla or its variations :-o
[12:28] <rem> what could it be ? mb cpu ..?
[12:28] <scizzo> n4cht: those are horrible...
[12:28] <garrut> man, those guys from the login screen scared me..
[12:28] <n4cht> rem, first check your bios to make sure you don't have any safety features that kill it after a certain temp.  two, cool that sucka!
[12:29] <rem> i tried to look for that ..but didnt find anything ..
[12:29] <Kamakazie> anyone here tried mounting a PSP yet?
[12:29] <corza> hmm is there a difference between preview and rc?
[12:29] <corza> i downloaded the preview did it update to the rc? or no?
[12:29] <rem> i thought about cooling it, but the temp is not that high when it freezes ..
[12:29] <n4cht> Kamakazie, no.  but if i get a PSP, you best believe i'm gonna try.
[12:29] <nfuck> When i do as it's told in the first post at http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-20216.html , and trying to download enlightenment via synaptic, it just exit's the program. Why?
[12:29] <rem> im not sure another fan would cool it better ..?
[12:30] <Kamakazie> n4cht, heh, yea sucks it mounts okay, but wont work that well
[12:30] <Dalkus> Acroread is 99mb instilation??
[12:31] <rem> thanx anyway ..
[12:31] <rem> cyall
[12:31] <n4cht> i'm actually just now trying to figure out how to mount my cable box.  (seriously.  it has a USB port in the front of it.)
[12:31] <freet> just "upgraded" to kubuntu
[12:31] <Kamakazie> Sucks theres no one to help with this PSP prob, and I wanna load some video and mp3's on mah damn PSP
[12:31] <freet> but now my xmms crashes when i try to open a song :s
[12:31] <freet> does anyone know what could be the reaspn.
[12:31] <freet> reason?
[12:32] <n4cht> freet, congrats.  you now have a completely worthless desktop environment running on one of the best linux distros of all time.
[12:32] <freet> n4cht: why?
[12:32] <housetier> freet is xmms already running at the time you open that song file?
[12:33] <freet> housetier: i can open it normally and i can change some preferences and stuff, but from the moment i try to play a song, it hangs
[12:33] <UBabe> n4cht: is KDE a different desktop GUI alltogether is it, aside from Gnome?
[12:33] <UBabe> n4cht: Im a newbie, hence my nicl of Ubabe :-\
[12:33] <LittleWashu> Alright guys can someone help me out with this error it's really freaking me out
[12:34] <Sung> still can't get the grub loader to load.
[12:34] <scizzo> freet: if you start XMMS in a terminal and do the same thing...do you get a nice little error then?
[12:34] <Sung> err grub booter.
[12:34] <LittleWashu> Ok, who is "General Error" and why is he reading my disk?
[12:34] <freet> scizzo, housetier it's ok
[12:34] <MaRk-I> hahaha
[12:34] <nfuck> ;)
[12:34] <Sung> LittleWashu:do you happen to play duris ?
[12:35] <freet> scizzo, housetier i selected an other output-plugin
[12:35] <Seveas> LittleWashu, general erro is Major Failure's superior
[12:35] <freet> scizzo, housetier everything ok now
[12:35] <LittleWashu> ;-_
[12:35] <UBabe> General error is a few ranks up from Lietenant error ;)
[12:35] <MaRk-I> hahahaha
[12:35] <nfuck> When i do as it's told in the first post at http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-20216.html , and trying to download enlightenment via synaptic, it just exit's the program. Why?
[12:35] <Tuxicity> UBabe, GNOME and KDE are the 2 main desptop environments on Linux, yes...
[12:36] <UBabe> Tuxicity: all i need is a browser that can run a Java plugin
[12:36] <n4cht> UBabe, honestly...  i don't like either of them.  however, you'll find that this is nothing more than a personal opinion, based on the fact that i'm a minimalist fluxbox user and i don't buy into the whole 'desktop environment' craze.  i like a good 'ol solid stable window manager.  i don't need a GUI that strives to emulate windows to make my 'migration' to linux easier, since i haven't owned a windows PC in years.
[12:36] <freet> i think it's just a matter of taste, for myself, i prefer KDE a little, but i have no problems with GNOME
[12:36] <UBabe> n4cht: all im after, as i was mentioning to Tuxicity is a browser than can run a java plugin
[12:37] <tomcat> Hi All, I've got a quick question... perhaps a general one...
[12:37] <Tuxicity> UBabe, all Mozilla-based browsers have a Java plugin, but on PPC, i dont know
[12:37] <tomcat> I've got a .deb file for something I want to install, but I don't know how to install it.
[12:37] <Dalkus> tomcat, sudo dpkg -i package
[12:37] <UBabe> ive installed Java, i can run basic applets but no plugins are out there for Mozilla so im told for PPC
[12:37] <Dalkus> replace package with your .deb :)
[12:37] <n4cht> mozilla, opera, firefox, netscape, etc.   however, like Tuxicity, i'm not sure about PPC packages for java.
[12:38] <tomcat> Dalkus, thx!
[12:38] <Dalkus> np
[12:38] <UBabe> Tuxicity: it just seems kinda ridiculous, i can run .jar files and run Jtunes, i can run tic tac toe, but something as simple as a java plgin for a browser wont work just because im using PPC (?!)
[12:39] <n4cht> yanno what?  there needs to be more female linux users.  that's all there is to it.  i love me some hottie linux chicks.
[12:39] <freet> let's go compile mplayer now :)
[12:39] <freet> hope this time, it'll work
[12:40] <freet> no, before that, another problem
[12:41] <freet> terminal crashes :/
[12:41] <tomcat> Aw crap... didn't work (coz the package was bad or not downloaded correctly?) Guess I'll have to wait til gimpshop gets added to the ubuntu multiverse....
[12:42] <freet> tomcat: what's the error?
[12:42] <tomcat> dpkg: error processing gimp_2.2.4-2_i386.deb (--install):
[12:42] <tomcat>  corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive: Success
[12:44] <freet> tomcat: indeed, looks like it's corrupt
[12:44] <Kamakazie> someone help me mount my PSP plz
[12:45] <drummer87> hey, can someone help me with partitioning? is it a good idea to have /var separate?
[12:45] <darren_> Can anyone help with ndiswrapper?
[12:45] <tomcat> Yeah, Maybe coz I downloaded it on my winbox 1st... Gimpshop skins Gimp to look like photoshop... can't wait to use it, as I've got experience with photoshop going back to version 2.0... and am a new linux convert now
[12:46] <snowblink> drummer87, yes
[12:46] <MaRk-I> Laptop mode reduces disk usage and thus can reduce the power consumption of<<< why would this be installed if my pc is a desktop?
[12:46] <Sung> what is a route device ?
[12:46] <Dalkus> tomcat, why not just use apt-get for the gimp?
[12:46] <Sung> err root device.
[12:46] <Dalkus> they have a pretty up to date package
[12:47] <drummer87> snowblink: how much space does var need and what else should be separate?
[12:47] <Tuxicity> UBabe, u tried Firefox plus the instructions on ubuntuguide.org?
[12:48] <snowblink> drummer87, depends what you are using the box for. On my server a couple of gig.
[12:48] <tomcat> Dalkus, I think whomever built the .deb named it wrong... where did I find this thing... ./?
[12:49] <snowblink> drummer87, man hier for your other partitions. I would recommend at least a separate /home
[12:49] <Kamakazie> I cant find anything on the web about mounting a PSP in linux
[12:49] <Dalkus> tomcat, do : sudo apt-get install gimp
[12:49] <drummer87> snowblink: desktop box.. internet, word, gimp, etc.. some programming
[12:49] <Dalkus> tomcat, though check it isn't already isntalled... Ubuntu comes with the Gimp installed as default :)
[12:50] <drummer87> thanks
[12:50] <snowblink> drummer87, ah you're probably okay without a separate /var then
[12:50] <tomcat> Dalkus, this is just a frontend for the gimp, and I think the .deb I was trying to get might be named incorrectly
[12:50] <Dalkus> tomcat, where did you download it from?
[12:50] <UBabe> Tuxicity ill give it another read, i just read the RestrictedFormats section
[12:51] <drummer87> snowblink: so just / and /home would be enough
[12:51] <tomcat> Dalkus, it's mentioned on slashdot
[12:51] <liraz> Hi guys I'm planning on setting up an ubuntu system on a 466mhz, 64mbram, 4mbgraphics card.. will i be able to run an interface?
[12:51] <Dalkus> try downloading ita gain?
[12:51] <liraz> my system was ok with windows 98, and bareable with win2k.. :/
[12:51] <Dalkus> liraz, sure
[12:51] <Dalkus> It'll run smoother than win2k :)
[12:51] <snowblink> drummer87, you should be okay with that
[12:51] <liraz> great! =) but do you mean fluxbox?
[12:51] <liraz> and those kind of gui's(I'm new so i prefer the easier ones)
[12:52] <drummer87> snowblink: thanks for ur help
[12:52] <lewwy> hey guys, is there some way of customising ubuntu on install to use fluxbox/xfce?
[12:52] <snowblink> drummer87, np
[12:52] <Dalkus> If you have low memory you might want to check out others... but gnome (installed by default) is nice and easy to use
[12:52] <tomcat> Dalkus, got that gimp deb package from http://cmb.phys.cwru.edu/kisner/gimpshop/
[12:53] <MaRk-I> anyone recommends Firestater??
[12:54] <mz2> MaRk-I, I do
[12:54] <Dalkus> tomcat, did you try redownloading it? sometimes files become corrupt when you download
[12:54] <MaRk-I> mz2, thanks
[12:56] <tomcat> Dalkus, yeah, that must be it..  ... I do want to try this out before adobe sues the developers into pulling this package
[12:56] <dracflamloc> i like ubuntu alot now that i've got gcc and all my development stuff installed =)
[12:56] <Dalkus> heh, gotta be fast now-a-days. Especially with the new eu patent laws coming into practice
[12:57] <Dalkus> tomcat, if you want to use amsn and mplayer, I suggest you get them sooner rather than later
[12:58] <freet> i have a question: for mplayer, i read that xfree86 is neccesary, but someone told me that hoary doesn't work with xfree86 but with something else: is this true?
[12:58] <Bazzi> heh
[12:59] <mz2> i wouldn't say the eu patent laws are 100% surely going to go through. the parliament can still get rid of it
[12:59] <Bazzi> when software patents are fully in place it could as well be that almost no software could be released anymore
[12:59] <liraz> I have tried finding some information to network install ubuntu, but I only mananged to find some stuff on mirroring debian mirrors and setting up the debian clients. Since I wanted to install ubuntu on a system over a network. Is there one simple command for me to run telnet without using a monitor
[12:59] <tomcat> Dalkus: thx for the tip. http://codemills.com/blog/?p=4 is the site with the linux version of gimpshop. He says he's gonna compile an official .deb for it...  He's updated the site in the past few hours, so I think he'll have somethi8ng more ubuntu friendly in the next few hours
[12:59] <mz2> even if the commission put it through
[12:59] <Bazzi> imagine microsoft would enforce all their patents
[12:59] <Bazzi> joy
[12:59] <Dalkus> Yeah, hope so :) What is this frontend... what does it do?
[01:00] <freet> is it true hoary doesnt work with xfree86 but with something else?
[01:00] <Seveas> freemymind, hoary comes with xorg instead of xfree86
[01:00] <Dalkus> mz2, I don't see parliament opposing the laws... they dont seem to care about them
[01:00] <Seveas> freet* i mean
[01:00] <freet> Seveas: k thx
[01:00] <freet> Seveas: but then what to do with mplayer? their installation site says xfree86 is needed
[01:00] <nfuck> Any Swede here? I installed Enlightenment 17 and i by some reason did set the locale to utf8 but that's not the Swedish one. So was hoping you could tell me which is :P
[01:01] <dracflamloc> how can i make gnomes nautilus not open up a new window for every folder i go into?
[01:01] <jagera21> is it essential to update warty b4 upgrading to hoary.  i'm about 100MB short due to not updating at initial install.
[01:01] <mz2> Seveas, well, they've voted against the patents every single time they could have, this far...
[01:01] <tomcat> Dalkus: It skins GIMP to look like photoshop... which, for me would be very, very helpful.. and ensure I use my linux box more.
[01:01] <Dalkus> heh, it's a good idea :)
[01:01] <Dalkus> The gimp is a *really* nice tool
[01:01] <Dalkus> Just weird to get used to at first
[01:02] <freet> Seveas: or can i just neglect it?
[01:02] <Seveas> freet, not really, mplayer doesn't run on my hoary machine...
[01:03] <itay> hi!
[01:03] <Dalkus> Anyone know of any p2p applications that support the KAD network as well as the edonkey network?
[01:03] <itay> I install KDE and I like it!
[01:03] <kzm> nfuck: locale is more than just character set.  utf-8 supports Swedish characters (and any other character), but you may have to set up more stuff depending on what you want.
[01:03] <Bazzi> Dalkus emule :D
[01:03] <itay> I want to install the nvidia driver
[01:03] <tomcat> Dalkus: Yeah, honestly, I've made the adjustment to gnome... my 1st linux install was frickin gentoo (like ubuntu/synaptic much better) so i'm used to jumping in headfirst... but I really go back a long way with photoshop...
[01:03] <itay> how do i do it?
[01:03] <kzm> (Oops, he's not here anymore)
[01:03] <Dalkus> Bazzi, eMule dosn't run under linux?
[01:04] <Bazzi> Dalkus I know ;) there are aMule, xMule etc though, they might support also kad
[01:04] <tomcat> Gimp's just ...too... much... can't... bend..more....
[01:04] <tomcat> <--head threatens to explode
[01:04] <itay> how can I install the nvidia driver?
[01:05] <itay> is there a package for that?
[01:05] <Dalkus> Bazzi, nope, they just use the edonkey network - and not as well as eMule :(
[01:05] <Bazzi> tried mldonkey?
[01:05] <Dalkus> tomcat, yeah gentoo isn't exacrtly newbie friendly :)
[01:05] <Dalkus> Ubuntu is both newbie friendly and dosn't make those with more experience feel restricted
[01:05] <darren_> Has anyone used ndiswrapper before?
[01:05] <Dalkus> and for people like me with experience but still alot to learn, its nice
[01:05] <itay> nobody here has installed a nvidia driver?
[01:06] <Dalkus> itay, yes :)
[01:06] <tomcat> Dalkus: A fact they'll gladly point out on their user forums instaed of answering specific questions.
[01:06] <Dalkus> itay, www.ubuntuguide.org explains how to
[01:06] <Dalkus> tomcat, how do you mean?
[01:07] <Mpi> Any of you guys who can help a totally newb ubuntu/linux user?
[01:07] <tomcat> Dalkus: Gentoo forums != helpful
[01:07] <Dalkus> Heh, that I understand
[01:07] <Dalkus> :p
[01:07] <snowblink> darren_, yes - what problem are you having?
[01:07] <Dalkus> Anyone having problems enabling the Snack library in AMSN?
[01:07] <Fuchs656> hi all!I have a Question: I would like to install fglrx on my Machine i have read the wiki but the Problem is after that i have installed the fglrx-xorg driver i cant load its with modprobe fglrx because modprobe cant find the modul
[01:07] <Mpi> Ive just installed ubuntu but am stuck even before the graphical interface has loaded. Is says "martin@ubuntu and I can acces root@ubuntu. But how do I move on from here??
[01:08] <Dalkus> Mpi, are you using warty?
[01:08] <Mpi> yes
[01:08] <Dalkus> so your logged in, but no graphical user interface has loaded?
[01:08] <Mpi> right
[01:08] <Dalkus> try 'sudo startx' and see what happens
[01:09] <Mpi> My account doesnt have root access by default but im using sudo command
[01:09] <itay> thank you
[01:09] <Mpi> startx...
[01:09] <Dalkus> yep
[01:09] <Mpi> Ill try it
[01:09] <Dalkus> also make sure you :
[01:09] <Dalkus> press ctrl-alt-f7 to check that you havnt pressed some keys by accident
[01:10] <Mpi> will do :)
[01:10] <gabaug> when is the Hoary release?
[01:10] <UBabe> hahaha! jTunes runs! ohohooo tis good tis good! :D
[01:10] <Dalkus> gabaug, under a week
[01:10] <Bazzi> gabaug today.
[01:10] <Dalkus> today??
[01:11] <Bazzi> yeah, sure
[01:11] <Dalkus> I heard it was the 5th?
[01:11] <Mpi> thx, and im sure you havent seen the last of me in here..:-D
[01:11] <Bazzi> well, they finished early
[01:11] <Dalkus> Oh cool
[01:11] <UBabe> jumpy, but it runs my server files! :D
[01:11] <Fuchs656> hi all!I have a Question: I would like to install fglrx on my Machine i have read the wiki but the Problem is after that i have installed the fglrx-xorg driver i cant load its with modprobe fglrx because modprobe cant find the modul
[01:11] <gabaug> I don't think it's today ... if you've seen the latest gdm background you know why : )
[01:11] <Dalkus> If I upgraded to hoary last night... should I apt-get upgrade? Or apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[01:12] <Bazzi> apt-get fooled ;)
[01:12] <Dalkus> eh?
[01:12] <Dalkus> bah :P
[01:12] <Dalkus> hahah!
[01:12] <Dalkus> It's past midday here!
[01:12] <Dalkus> :D
[01:12] <zerokarmaleft> yay, finally f-spot 0.0.12 running stable
[01:13] <Dalkus> grats, zerokarmaleft :)
[01:13] <e-spy> does ubuntu have beagle apt-getable
[01:15] <Dr_Aevil> Dalkus: dist-upgrade
[01:15] <Dalkus> Dr_Aevil, thanks
[01:15] <Dr_Aevil> always dist-upgrade
[01:15] <Dalkus> I take it it'll be a tiny download?
[01:15] <Dalkus> Since I did the same last night
[01:16] <zerokarmaleft> not necessarily
[01:16] <Dalkus> Well, smaller than if I hadn't - of course?
[01:16] <zerokarmaleft> Dalkus, xorg has been updated a couple of times in the last few days
[01:17] <Dalkus> Oh, I hope I don't have to go through the ordeal that the last dist-upgrade gave me thanks to xorg
[01:18] <MaRk-I> ok I installed some pkgs, do I have to log off for me to see the new ones installed?
[01:18] <dracflamloc> how can i install a .deb package?
[01:18] <Dalkus> dracflamloc, sudo dpkg - i packagename
[01:19] <Dalkus> :)
[01:19] <dracflamloc> ah
[01:19] <itay> I have some problem while install the nvidia driver
[01:19] <itay> I type "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"
[01:19] <Tuxicity> MaRk-I, i think sometimes u do to see the new menu entries
[01:19] <itay> and I got an error (where should I paste it)?
[01:19] <Dalkus> in #flood
[01:19] <MaRk-I> Tuxicity, thnks
[01:20] <itay> what should I do?
[01:20] <Jamminpotato> good morning
[01:20] <itay> to do what written there?
[01:21] <Dalkus> excecute the command it suggests and try again :)
[01:21] <Dalkus> I think that'll help you
[01:21] <Dalkus> md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf | sudo tee /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5su
[01:21] <Dalkus> then. sudo nvidia-glx-config enable again
[01:21] <itay> it stuck in the second command
[01:22] <davix> after I apt-get install kubuntu desktop, how do i remove my gnome(gdm)?
[01:22] <Dalkus> davix, apt-get remove packagename
[01:22] <itay> what should I do?
[01:22] <davix> yeah i know Dalkus, but what is the global package name for it?
[01:23] <Dalkus> no idea, sorry - try searching for gnome in synaptic... that'll give youa  clue
[01:23] <Dreamer3> davix: can you just remove ubuntu-desktop itself?  does kubuntu-desktop pull in all the right depends?
[01:23] <Dalkus> itay, did you run the frist command?
[01:23] <davix> erm, i'll check it
[01:23] <itay> yes
[01:23] <mdke> anyone else failing to login on the website?
[01:23] <itay> the output: 5e7ff7678c901a2d67f3536803fd3223  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:23] <Dalkus> Dreamer3, I can only imagine so
[01:23] <Dreamer3> Dalkus: then should be easy :)
[01:23] <Dreamer3> Dalkus: 2 seconds with aptitude :)
[01:24] <Dreamer3> Dalkus: add one, remove the other, done ;-)
[01:24] <Dalkus> Yep, worst comes to worst, just apt-get install ubuntu-desktop again
[01:24] <itay> now it works
[01:24] <Dalkus> itay, does it? What did you do? :)
[01:24] <Dreamer3> Dalkus: well, i'd look at what it was doing and make sure it wasn't screwing itself :)
[01:24] <badtzmark> i wanna install ATI driver...anyone can guide me?
[01:24] <Dreamer3> crimsun: where are thos xfce packages? :)
[01:24] <funky> hi
[01:24] <Dalkus> badtzmark, yes, www.ubuntuguide.org explains all :)
[01:24] <verden01> can anyone tel me how to mount my ntfs (/dev/sda1) partition
[01:25] <Dalkus> verden01, the guide i just said also explains that
[01:25] <funky> what means "pc" at the begginig of a line in dpkg -l ?
[01:25] <petemc> verden01: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/wherever -o umask=022
[01:25] <cowbud> verden01: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mountpoint....
[01:25] <mdke> please can someone try to login on the website, I can't seem to login and i wonder if its down again.
[01:25] <Dalkus> but that dosn't mount itsself at startup
[01:25] <cowbud> ahh umask of doom
[01:25] <verden01> cool thanx
[01:27] <badtzmark> Dalkus: site doesn't show ATI guide,it shows Nvidia...is it the same?
[01:27] <Dalkus> no they are different
[01:27] <Dalkus> but it does show both
[01:27] <xamdm> hi
[01:27] <Dalkus> they are next to eachother if i remember correctly... check the contents
[01:27] <xamdm> if have a strange sound-problem in hoary / kubuntu
[01:27] <Dalkus> badtzmark, if not, then check the ubuntu wiki
[01:27] <Tuxicity> badtzmark, no, check the ubuntu.com website
[01:27] <mark> oops cant see anything
[01:28] <xamdm> if i try to speek with someone using skype  he does't hear me, but if i play a AudioCD he heres that !!??
[01:28] <cowbud> xamdm: sounds like you have the wrong device setup for recording..
[01:28] <queuetue> Evolution doesn't seem to mark anything as junk on it's own, even though it's turned on in mail settings ...  Is there some package I need to install first?
[01:28] <xamdm> cowbud, how to change ??
[01:28] <roel> xamdm: connect your speakers
[01:28] <roel> :)
[01:28] <Mpi> Hmm, i do not understand: At boot why am I not given the option to choose between OS/partitions?? It runs Ubuntu as default...
[01:28] <queuetue> ( I dutifully mark all spam as junk on my own, so it should be learning, right?)
[01:29] <Tuxicity> badtzmark:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=fglrx
[01:29] <Dalkus> Mpi, did you install the bootloader correctly?
[01:29] <cowbud> xamdm: what version of skype are you using?
[01:29] <Mpi> dalkus, sure hope so
[01:29] <Dreamer3> auto updates needs a way to specify what time it should fetch updates
[01:29] <cowbud> xamdm: and have you looked here? http://www.skype.com/help/guides/soundsetup_linux.html
[01:29] <xamdm> cowbud, 1.0.0.20
[01:29] <Dalkus> Mpi, try reading up about configuring grub on google
[01:29] <Mpi> however it wouldnt accept my screen settings somehow
[01:30] <xamdm> cowbud, i have this problem with any recording-software
[01:30] <cowbud> xamdm: yah the problem is you are not selecting the correct dsp...
[01:30] <cowbud> xamdm: have you tried othe rsettings for recording?
[01:30] <Mpi> Ill read up...
[01:31] <stianh> where is the audio device normally?
[01:31] <stianh> or rather, where is the audio-server normallay? I have a program that looks in /dev/dsp which doesn't work
[01:32] <xamdm> cowbud, there is only one dsp
[01:32] <cowbud> xamdm: how are you trying to talk to them through amic connected to your sound card?
[01:33] <kent> how come planet.gnome.org and planetkde.org is mixed now?  I find gnome at kde, and vice verse.  :(
[01:33] <xamdm> cowbud, yes
[01:33] <cowbud> xamdm: did you check in the mixer settings to see if your mic is set as the recording device and not muted?
[01:34] <xamdm> cowbud, if i unmute it i can here myself in my speekers
[01:34] <Tuxicity> kent, indeed o_O
[01:34] <cowbud> xamdm: ok well does it record when you do that?
[01:34] <stianh> kent, it's april first!
[01:35] <xamdm> cowbud, no
[01:35] <cowbud> xamdm: have you tried with gnome-sound-recorder?
[01:35] <xamdm> cowbud, jes, it doesn't ...
[01:35] <MaRk-I> testing
[01:35] <MaRk-I> anyone readme?
[01:36] <deFrysk> MaRk-I, cannot read you
[01:36] <xamdm> cowbud, if heared that there are more people having this problem in hoar
[01:36] <xamdm> y
[01:36] <cowbud> xamdm: do a lsmod | grep oss
[01:36] <cowbud> does that return anything?
[01:36] <MaRk-I> stianh, deFrysk, thanks I momentarily hooked my router back to see if it would keep the connection (no luck)
[01:36] <xamdm> cowbud, i am using alsa
[01:37] <cowbud> xamdm: yah well skype doesn't...
[01:37] <xamdm> cowbud, but alsa-oss
[01:37] <cowbud> ALSA is more modern than OSS. Currently, Skype does not natively support ALSA, so you will need to install ALSA OSS emulation layer in order to use ALSA devices in Skype.
[01:37] <karlos> hi all ... I have a quick question regarding cd-rom permissions if I may
[01:37] <cowbud> so did you do a modprobe snd-pcm-oss and modprobe snd-mixer-oss as the website says?
[01:38] <xamdm> cowbud, boh are loaded
[01:38] <xamdm> both, typing to fast :-)
[01:38] <zzyber> My ide disk have died and im about to get a new one but i found a scsi card adaptec 2940ultra wide in my storage and i wounder, should i go for a scsi disk and what is the advantages and disadvantages with scsi. Its probably all about scsi vs ide
[01:39] <karlos> How do I change the default permissions..ie..whenever I copy a file from cd I have to change the write permissions anyone know how to change it??
[01:39] <cowbud> xamdm: then unfortunately I got nothing it is working for me..
[01:39] <xamdm> cowbud, warty ore hoary ??
[01:39] <apokryphos> karlos: sure. Check out chown and chmod commands
[01:39] <cowbud> xamdm: hoary..
[01:40] <xamdm> cowbud, damn, its a sblive
[01:40] <MaRk-I> anyone has an idea why my eth0 wont connect to my router??? (which previously did with dif distro)
[01:40] <cowbud> xamdm: ytah me too :)
[01:40] <cowbud> xamdm: let me check a few things out hold on..
[01:40] <xamdm> cowbud, i dont't understand it, in warty it worked fine
[01:40] <Tuxicity> karlos, use the command "chmod" to modify permissions
[01:40] <cowbud> xamdm: wtf is the skype call back? so I can echo it out?
[01:40] <karlos> cheers a: is there any docs regarding that built in
[01:40] <kev0r> aaah, the updates messed up my media player abileties
[01:40] <kev0r> cannot play Avi's no more!
[01:40] <apokryphos> karlos: Yup, the man page. Just man <command>
[01:40] <xamdm> cowbud, ??
[01:41] <karlos> many thanks
[01:41] <xamdm> cowbud, my skype-nick is zameron
[01:41] <kev0r> The program '.' received an X Window System error.
[01:41] <kev0r> This probably reflects a bug in the program.
[01:41] <kev0r> that's VLC's command line output
[01:41] <cowbud> xamdm: when you run skype in a terminal does it give any errors when you load it?
[01:42] <xamdm> cowbud, a second ...
[01:42] <xamdm> comfrey, no
[01:42] <xamdm> cowbud, no
[01:43] <cowbud> hrmm
[01:43] <cowbud> xamdm: odd and skype decided to be lame and not dial out at the moment..
[01:43] <yogui> hello
[01:43] <cowbud> xamdm: i'll be around and I will mess with it if I find anything ill ping you..
[01:43] <yogui> is someone could help me
[01:44] <yogui> about apache2/php/mysql ?
[01:44] <xamdm> cowbud, if i uncheck the recording on music it doesn't record the music anymore, but microfone still does't work
[01:44] <cowbud> firsty I need to find out why my skype stopped wanting to dial out..
[01:44] <cowbud> xamdm: do you have microphone checked to record?
[01:44] <ruffian> Hi: I keep getting this error during apt-get install : ** (process:12513): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_d esktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[01:44] <xamdm> cowbud, yes ;-)
[01:44] <ruffian> Anyone know how to fix it?
[01:44] <cowbud> xamdm: in the gnome-mixer blah do you have the OSS mixer selected?
[01:45] <zubial> is there any possibility to choose one of the network profiles before booting? At work I have a fixed IP but at home a dhcp-rooter. So each time I come home or go to work, the booting process takes quite some time when trying to find the network settings...
[01:45] <xamdm> cowbud, no, alsa
[01:45] <xamdm> cowbud, im using kmix
[01:46] <cowbud> xamdm: hrmm not familiar with kmix but look at the oss settings and see if there is anything there.. or can you go to the oss?
[01:46] <yogui> how instal php4-mysql package please ?
[01:46] <yogui> i'm a newbie
[01:46] <cowbud> yogui: use synaptic..
[01:47] <yogui> yes
[01:47] <yogui> bus the pakage isn't in th elist
[01:47] <black_Nightmare> hey there
[01:47] <xamdm> cowbud, kmix only uses alsa if alsa is present, i look in gnome-volume-contrl
[01:47] <cowbud> yogui: sudo su and look in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:47] <cowbud> xamdm: ok I am trying to figure out why skype decided to be lame..
[01:48] <black_Nightmare> would it be kernel and/or distro driver related if you was trying to make a custom interface to an already-present port?
[01:48] <yogui> ok i try this
[01:48] <cowbud> yogui: see if universe is enabled..
[01:49] <xamdm> cowbud, i changed the settings in the oss-mixer-pane from the gnome-volume-control, but it didn't change anything ...
[01:49] <yogui> whow ?
[01:49] <cowbud> yogui: you see "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe"? is there a # in front of it if so remove it and do a apt-get update or a update in synaptic..
[01:50] <Dalkus> xamdm, You've made sure it's not muted and whatnot?
[01:50] <yogui> ok i make this
[01:50] <xamdm> Dalkus, jes, it is not muted
[01:51] <xamdm> Dalkus, i can here it in Boxes
[01:51] <Tuxicity> yogui, apt-get install php4-mysql
[01:51] <yogui> oki
[01:52] <cowbud> xamdm: wow I don't know wtf is going on skype doesn't want to call out at all let me check winblows on my laptop..
[01:52] <cowbud> yogui: ok now try to install the package..
[01:52] <yogui> dont work
[01:52] <davegahanx> can some help me how to mount a ntfs volume on hoary, managed to see it in the filemgr but cant mount it due to a an fstab line error
[01:52] <cowbud> yogui: error being?
[01:52] <cowbud> davegahanx: paste your fstab..
[01:52] <yogui> E: Impossible de verrouiller /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Ressource temporairement non disponible)
[01:52] <yogui> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[01:52] <davegahanx> mount point does not exist
[01:53] <yogui> french version sorry ;-)
[01:53] <cowbud> davegahanx: no the actual line..
[01:53] <davegahanx> mnt/xp
[01:53] <sal002> What package do I neeed to install to develop X11 programs?  configure says X11 is not installed?
[01:53] <snowblink> yogui, close synaptic
[01:53] <cowbud> yogui: you have something installing or running like apt-get or synaptic..
[01:53] <davegahanx> /dev/hda1 	/mnt/xp ntfs ro,auto,user,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[01:53] <cowbud> davegahanx: does /mnt/xp exist?
[01:53] <black_Nightmare> sal..just a quick thought but try 'apt-get X11' and 'apt-get X11-dev' ?
[01:53] <xamdm> cowbud, same problem in TeamSPeak
[01:53] <itay> I install tuxkart and tuxracer, but they didn't apear in the K menu. why?
[01:53] <yogui> yes synaptic was running
[01:53] <black_Nightmare> I'm not on my pc right now [which is linux-running] 
[01:53] <itay> even after restart of X
[01:53] <davegahanx> sorry how do i check that ?
[01:53] <cowbud> yogui: and how did you try to install the package?
[01:53] <yogui> don't found the package
[01:53] <davegahanx> sorry
[01:53] <davegahanx> complete newbiw
[01:53] <cowbud> davegahanx: ls -ld  /mnt/xp
[01:54] <davegahanx> thank u
[01:54] <Xappe> davegahanx: you have to create the mountpoint before mounting :)
[01:54] <cowbud> xamdm: hrmm...weird..skype doesn;t want to work buyt gnome-sound-recorder records what I say and stuff..
[01:54] <yogui> cowbud : apt-get install php4-mysql
[01:54] <cowbud> davegahanx: if it isn't there just mkdir it :)
[01:54] <davegahanx> right
[01:55] <Tuxicity> yogui, by the way, i meant "sudo apt-get install php4-mysql". I forgot "sudo".
[01:55] <cowbud> yogui: yah you have to locse synaptic when doing htat..
[01:55] <davegahanx> how do i create that one ?
[01:55] <cowbud> davegahanx: sudo mkdir /mnt/xp
[01:55] <zzyber> how about loudness scsi vs ide?
[01:55] <Xappe> davegahanx: sudo mkdir /mnt/xp
[01:55] <yogui> cowbud : synaptic is closed
[01:55] <stianh> Where can I look for the audiodevice/server in a normal warty install?
[01:55] <yogui> tuxicity : same error
[01:55] <davegahanx> yes
[01:55] <davegahanx> thanks
[01:56] <cowbud> xamdm: ahh found my skype problem I had perlbox-voice running :) so yah mine works are you in the audio group and all that good stuff?
[01:56] <solidape> i have a question: how do i installed downloaded software? i have it in deb- and rpm-format....
[01:56] <cowbud> yogui: and you did sudo and you still get the same error?
[01:56] <yogui> yes
[01:56] <Mafus> I just did a new install of Ubuntu and all went smoothly, and then ive rebooted and its started doing its running for the first time, i told it to update from the internet and it did its thing.. i come back a few hours later and its waiting at the xserver (?) driver selection screen.. i have an ATI Radeon x800 Pro so i chose the ATI driver.. now my GUI wont load and it takes me straight to command line.. startx results in a ton of error message
[01:56] <yogui> E: Impossible de trouver le paquet php4-mysql
[01:56] <cowbud> yogui: past your /etc/apt/sources.list in #flood
[01:57] <davegahanx> mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /mnt/xp busy
[01:57] <davegahanx> mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda1 is already mounted on /mnt/xp
[01:57] <yogui> if you understand frech ;-)
[01:57] <cowbud> past/paste
[01:57] <davegahanx> doesnt mount still
[01:57] <cowbud> davegahanx: df -h and see if it is mounted and where..
[01:57] <cowbud> or just df :)
[01:57] <Albacker> davehanx, it's mounted
[01:57] <Mafus> anyone know how i could go about getting a GUI running?
[01:57] <Albacker> davehanx, it says it's moundet in /mnt/xp
[01:57] <yogui> cowbud : How do i make this ?
[01:57] <MaRk-I> is it Hoary pretty stable??
[01:57] <Tuxicity> solidape, did you search for your software in Synaptic first?
[01:57] <Albacker> davegahanx, **
[01:57] <sal002> Is there an xord-dev package?
[01:58] <Albacker> davegahanx, cd /mnt/xp
[01:58] <davegahanx> yes
[01:58] <sal002> err...xorg-dev
[01:58] <solidape> tuxi: yes i did...
[01:58] <davegahanx> /dev/hda1             24732032  15819872   8912160  64% /mnt/xp
[01:58] <cowbud> yogui: join #flood and in a terminal type cat /etc/apt/sources.list highligh it then middle click when looking in the #flood channel
[01:58] <sal002> (apt-cache search didn't find one)
[01:58] <cowbud> davegahanx: so it is mounted..what happens when you cd to the directory?
[01:58] <Tuxicity> solidape, oh then type "sudo dpkg -i packagename"
[01:58] <itay> what should I do?
[01:58] <solidape> mafus: maybe try the reconfigure program?
[01:58] <Albacker> davegahanx, ls -l /mnt/xp
[01:58] <davegahanx> i click in the file manager on the volume
[01:59] <Mafus> how do i do that? this is my first linux installtion
[01:59] <itay> why the icons don't apear in the menu after installing them?
[01:59] <davegahanx> trying to import my mailfiles into evolution
[01:59] <itay> (the softwares)
[01:59] <yogui> cowbud : thats made
[01:59] <solidape> sudo dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:59] <Dalkus> itay, it depends on the software, and the way in which you isntalled them
[01:59] <cowbud> yogui: yah see the # in front of the universe stuff remove it then do a apt-get update
[01:59] <Dalkus> if you used dpkg or apt-get then generally they will appear in the menus, itay
[01:59] <solidape> but i'm a total newbie aswell, but that mmight do it for ya
[01:59] <davegahanx> bash: cd: mnt/xp: No such file or directory
[02:00] <Albacker> davegahanx, not mnt/xp but /mnt/xp
[02:00] <cowbud> xamdm: you still alive or did you give upo? :)
[02:00] <black_Nightmare> ughh...stupid menu
[02:00] <sal002> solidape: That doesn't give the dev files need to compile other apps (like pearpc)
[02:00] <MaRk-I> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:00] <davegahanx> sorry cant see a difference ?
[02:00] <itay> I install with apt-get.
[02:00] <davegahanx> oh
[02:01] <itay> they don't apear with apt-get?
[02:01] <davegahanx> ok
[02:01] <Albacker> davegahanx, you typed. cd mnt/xp but it should be /mnt/xp
[02:01] <Dalkus> itay, they *do* appear with apt-get :) Which package did you isntall?
[02:01] <Albacker> davegahanx, with the slash before.
[02:01] <davegahanx> yes i can go in the directory
[02:01] <itay> tuxkart
[02:01] <itay> tuxracer
[02:01] <Albacker> davegahanx, sure you can :D
[02:01] <davegahanx> made a dir and it listst the contents
[02:01] <smouche> itay, with some things you need to log-out and in again to see them in the menus
[02:01] <Dalkus> you've looked over the whole menu? Sometimes games are dumped in the games menu, sometimes in the other menu
[02:01] <itay> they don't apear in the K menu in games
[02:01] <davegahanx> :)
[02:02] <itay> I have alreay restarted
[02:02] <black_Nightmare> I think some programs/games actually run from the terminal line don't they?
[02:02] <davegahanx> so why cant i mount the drive in filemanager ?
[02:02] <black_Nightmare> likewise I was wondering the heck where basiliskII was but then I soon found it was supposed to be started from terminal so there
[02:02] <Dalkus> black_Nightmare, well, if its not got a GUI then it has to, dosnt it :P
[02:02] <Albacker> davegahanx, what do you mean ? what do you want to do ?
[02:02] <black_Nightmare> dalkus....just be quiet :p
[02:02] <black_Nightmare> hehe
[02:03] <black_Nightmare> hmm that reminds me now...
[02:03] <davegahanx> i click on the the xp drive icon in "computer" in file manager
[02:03] <davegahanx> get a message cannot mount the volume
[02:03] <Tuxicity> itay, just type "tuxkart" in Konsole...
[02:03] <black_Nightmare> I need to figure a compact end for my yet-underway custom kernel....
[02:04] <davegahanx> i just want to transfer my windows mail and documents
[02:04] <Albacker> davegahanx, you can do that by terminal.
[02:04] <solidape> i need help installing stuff from deb or rpm-files...
[02:04] <davegahanx> alright
[02:04] <davegahanx> i have to teach myself tonight
[02:04] <davegahanx> is it not possible to do it through gnomw
[02:04] <Tuxicity> solidape, i told you, "sudo dpkg -i packagename"
[02:05] <Tuxicity> solidape, actually "sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb"
[02:05] <solidape> and then it will install?
[02:05] <Xappe> davegahanx: well, you should be able to browse to /mnt/xp and copy
[02:05] <itay> Tuxicity, yes but I want new softwares to apear in the menu
[02:05] <Tuxicity> solidape, it should
[02:06] <solidape> cool, trying it now
[02:06] <Mafus> Im running 4.10 Ubuntu for the first time and my GUI has failed to load and im given a bunch of errors about skipping files because symbols arent found and finally i get "(EE) no devices detected" and im dumped into command line.. anyone know how to get my GUI working?
[02:06] <Tuxicity> itay, add it manually then. right-click in kmenu and add an entry for each
[02:07] <Dr_Aevil> Mafus: you need to read the output log to see exactly what the error was
[02:07] <Mafus> its longer than a screen length
[02:08] <Tuxicity> Mafus, ya, seems to be xfree though. did you install binary drivers?
[02:08] <Dr_Aevil> Mafus: that's why I said read the log... e..g open it with less
[02:08] <itay> so I should do it for every softwares I will install?
[02:08] <Tuxicity> itay, just the ones that do not appear automatically
[02:09] <Mafus> i just left everything with default as it was in the install except i changed me xserver driver to ATI because i have an x800 pro
[02:09] <jerome^_^> Dr_Aevil: where is the output log (friend of Mafus) ?
[02:09] <Dr_Aevil> should be /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[02:10] <jerome^_^> kool
[02:10] <itay> ok. thanks
[02:10] <Tuxicity> Mafus, must have something to do with xfree/fglrx
[02:10] <Mafus> im reading it now
[02:10] <Mafus> so far
[02:10] <MaRk-I> java is 14MB!!! holy molly
[02:10] <Mafus> it cant find a font
[02:11] <Dr_Aevil> look towards the bottom, ignore hte font path errors
[02:11] <solidape> tuxicity:thanks for the help
[02:11] <Mafus> APM cant be found
[02:12] <Tuxicity> solidape: ur welcome
[02:12] <Mafus> no directory found apm_bios
[02:12] <UBabe> gtg bbs
[02:12] <delire> hah cute. enjoy: http://www.openpuppets.com/en/index.php
[02:13] <delire> Mafus: what's up?
[02:14] <alfatau_> hi, any snmpd user? i want to configure snmpd to be able to send a trap when disk space ends. can you help me?
[02:15] <Dalkus> tuxkart: ssgBase.cxx:78: virtual ssgBase::~ssgBase(): Assertion `refc == 0' failed.
[02:15] <Dalkus> How'd I fix that?
[02:15] <Mafus> ok here are some problems:
[02:15] <Mafus> "Loading /user/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a
[02:16] <Mafus> then i get 3 skipping messages in that directory for no symbols found on
[02:16] <cowbud> UBabe: joseph! :)
[02:16] <Mafus> m_debug_clip.o
[02:16] <Mafus> m_debug_clip.o
[02:16] <Mafus> m_debug_norm.o
[02:16] <Mafus> m_debug_xform.o
[02:16] <Mafus> m_debug_vertex.o
[02:16] <UBabe> heheh Cowbud! dude :)
[02:16] <cowbud> ;)
[02:17] <black_Nightmare> ubabe - remember I was kinda cursing about the cdrw issue?
[02:17] <UBabe> Hwoa!
[02:17] <cowbud> look who is popular
[02:17] <Dr_Aevil> Mafus: go to where it failed, then look at the messages before that - that'll be what it actually failed on
[02:17] <UBabe> black nightmare, yeah twas early in the morning, but yeah
[02:17] <MaRk-I> anyone know the default /.mozilla/plugins location??
[02:17] <Dr_Aevil> Mafus: you said it failed in the device section, so it will prob be your graphics card driver etc
[02:18] <scizzo> MaRk-I: /usr/share/mozilla ??
[02:18] <adobbie> MaRk-I: are you asking for the system-wide location?
[02:18] <black_Nightmare> ubabe ~ I'm sure its a ubuntu bug for maybe trying to mount a unknown disc format but refusing to stop that and so trapping the drive in.  because as soon as I rebooted the cdrw was free and as a test I put in the ubuntu installer cd and it picked that up right away and let me unmount/eject that just fine
[02:18] <xamdm> MaRk-I, /usr/lib/mozilla ore mozilla-firefox
[02:18] <black_Nightmare> maybe we need something like 'kill cdrw read' to fix this issue
[02:18] <black_Nightmare> :)
[02:18] <UBabe> hehehe
[02:18] <Mafus> here's some more:
[02:19] <MaRk-I> thanks , adobbie don't know I'm installing the java plug in that's what the instructions say but cant find it
[02:19] <black_Nightmare> ubabe..I'm serious...you see how the cdrw refused to listen at all until I rebooted it (which by then ubuntu had lost control of it)
[02:19] <black_Nightmare> so there
[02:19] <MaRk-I> sudo mv j2re-1_4_2_05 /usr/local/
[02:19] <MaRk-I> cd /home/username/.mozilla/plugins
[02:19] <Mafus> ATI: PCI/AGP Mach64 in slot 1:0:0 could not be detected! and same with slow 1:0:1
[02:19] <cowbud> black_Nightmare: fuser will tell you what processes are using a specific device and you can kill them...
[02:20] <alfatau> hi, any snmpd user? i want to configure snmpd to be able to send a trap when disk space ends. can you help me?
[02:20] <black_Nightmare> hmm... is that a program name? 'fuser' that is
[02:20] <Mafus> thats definately a video card driver issue
[02:20] <cowbud> black_Nightmare: yes it is man fuser ...
[02:21] <Mafus> during my install when it told me to select the driver it was defaulted on "vesa" i think.. i changed it to ati... should i try changing it back to vesa?
[02:21] <delire> Mafus: are you using fglrx?
[02:21] <Dr_Aevil> black_Nightmare: it's not a bug....it just means something was using the drive
[02:21] <Mafus> i have no idea
[02:21] <delire> Mafus: it is an ati card no?
[02:21] <Mafus> yes x800 Pro
[02:21] <black_Nightmare> aevil..so why did the right-click menu only show 'mount' and 'eject'
[02:21] <Mafus> but it isnt listed under the cards that the ati driver shows
[02:21] <darren_> Has anyone managed to get ndiswrapper working?
[02:21] <black_Nightmare> surely if it was trying to read the disc it would have shown a 'unmount' command instead
[02:21] <black_Nightmare> know what I'm saying?
[02:21] <delire> Mafus: ok i'd head off to ati.com/linux and download the latest driver. it's an rpm so convert it to a *.deb using 'alien'.
[02:22] <MaRk-I> wth??? this Aprils fool thing arrghhhh
[02:22] <black_Nightmare> cowbud..ok I'll look into that when I go over to my pc ;)
[02:22] <ioC`> is there a gui frontend for yaboot ?
[02:22] <MaRk-I> can someone check a web page for me??
[02:22] <Mafus> ok so download it on this computer.. transfer to computer with linux.. convert it
[02:23] <MaRk-I> never mind ggrrrr
[02:23] <delire> Mafus: then install it with 'sudo dpkg -i fglrx...*.deb' at which point it will be installed into /lib/modules/fglrx. then cd in to /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/ and 'sh make.sh'. cd up a level into fglrx/ and 'sh make_install.sh'
[02:23] <Dr_Aevil> black_Nightmare: never mind what the right click context menu shows, what is important is what mount shows at the time
[02:23] <Dr_Aevil> black_Nightmare: and even then, the problem is no doubt with gnome somewhere
[02:23] <Mafus> ok thanks ill try that
[02:24] <delire> Mafus: are you on the ubuntu machine now?
[02:24] <ex0rt> Hi, Having problems listening to streams with Music Player. It has a tendency to crash everytime I try and listen to a stream. Any ideas what is wrong?
[02:24] <delire> ex0rt: what crashes?
[02:24] <UBabe> anyone know much about how to run .jar files from terminal?
[02:24] <Mafus> no im on a windows machine right now.. i cant get my GUI to load at all on my linux machine
[02:24] <black_Nightmare> aevil...yeah...but then umm..if it was already attempting to read the disc then why would it show only 'mount' and not 'unmount' in the rightclick? hmm...know what nevermind I think thats a stupid question lol
[02:24] <cowbud> UBabe: ahh yes I remember this issue with you what are you trying to run?
[02:24] <cowbud> UBabe: lets kill that problem...
[02:24] <delire> Mafus: ahah 'Music Player' is an application.. sorry never used it
[02:24] <ex0rt> delire: "Music Player"
[02:25] <delire> ;)
[02:25] <delire> Mafus: oops, wrong person
[02:25] <UBabe> cowbud: trying to run jtunes from terminal
[02:25] <delire> ex0rt: right, never used it.. soz
[02:25] <xamdm> UBabe, java -jar filename
[02:25] <Mafus> how do i know what version of x-windows im running?
[02:25] <ex0rt> delire: So there are alternatives?
[02:25] <UBabe> whats -jar is that a parameter i may have had missing?
[02:25] <solidape> anyone know what "ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Invalid argument " might mean?
[02:26] <delire> Mafus: XFree86 -version
[02:26] <Hmmmm> hi guys i nee a little urgent help
[02:26] <black_Nightmare> hmm that reminds me...
[02:26] <kbrooks> hm
[02:26] <black_Nightmare> whats xfree's website if there's one?
[02:26] <cowbud> Solatis: you bother googling that? :)
[02:26] <delire> ex0rt: many. see 'xmms' or 'helixplayer'
[02:26] <Hmmmm> i have shared a folder from my linux box and want someone on my network to see it from a windows box
[02:26] <xamdm> UBabe, its a parameter for java (sun-java) to run jar-files
[02:26] <Hmmmm> cowbud, can u pls help me?
[02:26] <MaRk-I> http://www.xfree.org/   ??
[02:27] <ex0rt> delire: Will do, thanks.
[02:27] <Mafus> how do i get out of "less"ing this log file?
[02:27] <kbrooks> q
[02:27] <black_Nightmare> jeeze... mark-I I tell you sometimes I'm a bit too stupid to keep trying *.com 's
[02:27] <delire> ex0rt: xmms.org
[02:27] <cowbud> Hmmmm: you look in System->Administration->Shared Folders?
[02:27] <black_Nightmare> I need to remind myself that *.org exists sometimes LOL
[02:27] <Tuxicity> Hmmmm, ubuntuguide.org explains this
[02:27] <cowbud> Hmmmm: frmo the gnome menu?
[02:27] <cowbud> Tuxicity: that also :)
[02:27] <delire> Hmmmm: you should also see if you can get help in #samba
[02:27] <MaRk-I> black_Nightmare, eh no worries happens
[02:27] <xamdm> UBabe, maybe u should try tunesbrowser instead :-)
[02:27] <scizzo> Mafus: press q
[02:27] <Bazzi> black_Nightmare welcome to free software
[02:27] <delire> Hmmmm: this is a channel that specifically addresses such topics
[02:27] <Hmmmm> i cant access this box locally
[02:27] <black_Nightmare> mark-I tyanks anyhow...I'm just trying to figure some kind of possible frontend for a custom kernel anyhow ;)
[02:27] <Hmmmm> i only have comand line access
[02:28] <black_Nightmare> bazzi :p
[02:28] <Hmmmm> iv edited the smb.conf
[02:28] <Tuxicity> cowbud, system doesnt exist in Warty...
[02:28] <cowbud> Hmmmm: did you restart samba after you did that>?
[02:28] <UBabe> xadm, tunes browser??
[02:28] <Hmmmm> i can access it over the network fmo al inux box
[02:28] <cowbud> Tuxicity: damn :)
[02:28] <Hmmmm> but for windows it asks for a passwork
[02:28] <Hmmmm> username and pass
[02:28] <scizzo> Hmmmm: yes
[02:28] <UBabe> xamdm(typo sorry!) tunes browser??
[02:28] <scizzo> Hmmmm: add the user to the smbpassword stuff
[02:28] <xamdm> UBabe, jou are trying to lissen to a itunes stream aren't jou ??
[02:28] <delire> Hmmmm: then you have smbpasswd defined in your smb.conf
[02:28] <MaRk-I> black_Nightmare, http://www.illwillpress.com/vault.html  <<< check the one that says tech support that'll be # 14 (if you have flash installed)
[02:29] <Hmmmm> how can i make it passwordless?
[02:29] <scizzo> Hmmmm: change the type
[02:29] <xamdm> UBabe, http://crazney.net/programs/itunes/tunesbrowser.html
[02:29] <scizzo> Hmmmm: please read the things on www.samba.org
[02:29] <scizzo> Hmmmm: you will find information there that is useful...
[02:29] <Hmmmm> scizzo, pls just help me get this going its a lil urgent
[02:29] <solidape> what the hell does "ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Invalid argument" mean?
[02:29] <Hmmmm> i will erad the docs
[02:30] <Hmmmm> but i need a quick fix right now
[02:30] <Hmmmm> :(
[02:30] <cowbud> Solidape when is it happening?
[02:31] <scizzo> Hmmmm: then change the directory to public
[02:31] <Hmmmm> i have
[02:32] <Tuxicity> Hmmmm, u set "public = yes" in smb.conf ?
[02:32] <ex0rt> Right, trying to compile XMMS here from source but when I do a ./configure apparently GLIB is not installed.
[02:32] <solidape> cowbud: trying to install win4linPRO
[02:32] <Hmmmm> but it still asks for PASSWD
[02:32] <cowbud> solidape: hrmm yah I got nothing there sorry :)
[02:32] <mopflite> ex0rt: why try to compile it from source?
[02:32] <scizzo> Hmmmm: add the user to the system
[02:32] <mopflite> apt-get install xmms
[02:32] <Tuxicity> ex0rt, apt-get install xmms
[02:33] <Hmmmm> Tuxicity, where do i do that?
[02:33] <delire> it as I have a 4 week python/blender/game workshop to give here in May
[02:33] <delire> that i couldn't get out of.
[02:33] <delire> eek..
[02:33] <delire> didn't mean to do that
[02:33] <Hmmmm>    public = yes
[02:33] <sal002> Are there not the standard X11 headers installed with the xserver-xorg package?
[02:33] <Hmmmm> yes i did
[02:33] <kent> Can some one explain why I can hear music with totem etc in Hoary,  but if i try Ubuntu Device Database, then I cant hear any sound. It feels wrong to press the button for no sound, since sound actually works for me in all other programs :(
[02:33] <scizzo> Hmmmm: add the user then smbpasswd -a username
[02:34] <Hmmmm> scizzo, but if i want to make it a passwordless share can i do that?
[02:34] <Hmmmm> ;   valid users = fred
[02:34] <Hmmmm> what do i do with this?
[02:34] <ex0rt> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/kiJ4zf26.html
[02:34] <Dalk> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[02:34] <Dalk> glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.
[02:34] <Dalk> How can I fix this please?
[02:35] <PacoBCN> Dalk, I had the same problems in the last days
[02:35] <PacoBCN> Dalk, running nvidia drivers?
[02:35] <Dalk> Yeah
[02:35] <Dalk> I was trying to enable direct rendering
[02:35] <Hmmmm> it says "guest ok = no"
[02:35] <PacoBCN> sure you have them loaded?
[02:35] <Hmmmm> do i make that a yes?
[02:35] <ex0rt> Tuxicity: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/kiJ4zf26.html
[02:35] <Dalk> did a few ln -fs 'es and i got these errors
[02:36] <scizzo> Hmmmm: remove the comments and tell it to be yes
[02:36] <scizzo> then restart samba
[02:36] <Dalk> PacoBCN, What did you do to fix?
[02:36] <PacoBCN> Dalk, for some reason at every reboot my xorg.conf deleted the nvidia load and put nv again
[02:37] <PacoBCN> Dalk, honestly? waiting developers to update their packages
[02:37] <Tuxicity> scizzo, i believe "guest ok" and "public" are synonyms, right?
[02:37] <PacoBCN> Dalk, and it worked
[02:37] <Dalk> So... should I reinstall my drivers?
[02:37] <PacoBCN> Dalk, also there was no restricted modules for 686 kernel
[02:37] <scizzo> Tuxicity: I have no idea
[02:37] <PacoBCN> Dalk, at the end they seem to have fixed it all
[02:37] <PacoBCN> well, try enabling them again
[02:37] <black_Nightmare> any of you know a bit about mac printers?
[02:37] <PacoBCN> Dalk, I guess you have already done it, right?
[02:38] <Dalk> Not yet (if your talking about reinstilation)
[02:38] <black_Nightmare> hm nevermind anyhow ;)
[02:38] <PacoBCN> no, just nvidia-glx-config enable
[02:38] <ex0rt> Tuxicity, mopflite: I have done exactly what you both have said but I am recieving errors. http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/kiJ4zf26.html
[02:39] <Tuxicity> ex0rt, i dont know, maybe XMMS is in the Universe/Multiverse repository. if so, add it.
[02:39] <delire> ex0rt: you need to add the Universe repo
[02:40] <delire> ISTR
[02:40] <mariano> hey please help
[02:40] <kent> hmm, is it a Ubuntu Hoary specific thing that nautilus now opens new windows and closes the parent? Its kind of disturbing :(
[02:41] <Tuxicity> kent, Edit-->preferences
[02:41] <Tuxicity> kent,  -->behaviour(tab)
[02:41] <delire> mariano: what's up?
[02:41] <mariano> oh thanks for answering
[02:41] <mariano> just installed ubuntu x86
[02:41] <Tuxicity> kent,  check "always open in browser windows"
[02:41] <delire> mariano: ok, what's the problem?
[02:42] <mariano> but doesn't detect the sound hw
[02:42] <mariano> sound blaster awe
[02:42] <kent> delire, well, for me Im kind of happy that they dont use the nvidia/ati drivers out of the box, since My tnt2-card and X with nvidia dont get along. It makes X go crazy :(
[02:42] <mariano> what to do now, delire?
[02:42] <PacoBCN> wow, I see my name typing and it's not me "mariano" :)
[02:43] <mariano> ooops
[02:43] <ex0rt> Tuxicity, delire: Ok thanks. Just added the other repositories. Will give it a go now.
[02:43] <mariano> sorry
[02:43] <delire> kent: they seemed to have solved that somehow. i have the same setup on one machine
[02:43] <Tuxicity> ex0rt, oki
[02:43] <delire> mariano: so no sound? have you tried playing some sound? do you get an error?
[02:43] <black_Nightmare> I'm going switch to my pc but someone mind pass a link to me as soon as I come back?
[02:44] <mariano> no sound hardware found, it sez
[02:44] <delire> mariano: ok.. do you have the Ubuntu desktop in front of you?
[02:44] <mariano> yes
[02:44] <Tuxicity> black_Nightmare, hey ur canadian :)
[02:44] <mariano> yes, delire
[02:45] <black_Nightmare> *POKES tuxicity*
[02:45] <delire> mariano: cool. can you type 'lspci' for me in a console/terminal?.. find it under System
[02:45] <black_Nightmare> :p
[02:45] <delire> mariano: when you do tell me what it says for "audio controller"
[02:46] <mariano> ok
[02:46] <mariano> just nothing, delire
[02:46] <mariano> ethernet, vga, etc, but no audio controller at all
[02:47] <toto> hi
[02:47] <delire> mariano: ok..
[02:47] <mariano> aplay -l says me no soudcards found
[02:47] <ikaro> hellas
[02:48] <delire> mariano: are you sure you even have a sound card? lspci lists all hardware detected on the machine.
[02:48] <delire> mariano: sorry PCI hardware
[02:48] <mariano> ahah
[02:48] <delire> mariano: to be sure, you might want to 'lspci | grep audio'
[02:48] <mariano> that's it
[02:48] <mariano> my soundcard is ISA type
[02:48] <mariano> is an old soundblaster awe
[02:49] <delire> mariano: right.. an old one yeah?
[02:49] <mariano> yes, delire
[02:49] <black_Nightmare> mariano...eh.. I'm still having trouble getting M-Y card to work...lol
[02:49] <mariano> that's it, sorry i didn't mention it before
[02:49] <delire> mariano: ok try this 'sudo modprobe -l | grep isa'
[02:49] <delire> mariano: do you get any output?
[02:49] <black_Nightmare> creative soundblaster 16 CT2230 [isa as well..seem to be pnp under 98se but somehow linux isn't picking it up] 
[02:49] <black_Nightmare> :p
[02:50] <invictus> how can I get the source of the default hoary kernel?
[02:50] <black_Nightmare> mariano..seem we're on almost the same ship aren't we?
[02:50] <delire> i think you guys need an ISA controller
[02:50] <black_Nightmare> delire....I already have one in device manager
[02:50] <delire> modprobe -l | grep isa
[02:50] <black_Nightmare> but the card is not even appearing or so at all
[02:50] <delire> see if there's one available
[02:50] <delire> ok..
[02:50] <black_Nightmare> hmm delire..let me try that grep
[02:50] <mariano> yes, modprobe gives me a list
[02:50] <black_Nightmare> oh wait...my pc isn't on doh
[02:50] <black_Nightmare> *sigh*
[02:51] <mariano> are we, black_Nightmare?
[02:51] <delire> you may need to look at compiling a module allowing you to use ISA devices, if the stock Ubuntu kernel doesn't provide it
[02:51] <black_Nightmare> let me quit this xchat and start up my pc
[02:51] <mariano> yes delire, you're right
[02:52] <black_Nightmare> delire..industrial motherboards still carry multiply isa slots even with a P4 processor too
[02:52] <mariano> but... i love this card! :)
[02:52] <delire> black_Nightmare: yes, as do several server boards
[02:52] <black_Nightmare> soyo makes one P4 board for up to 3.04ghz and it supports three isa slots
[02:52] <delire> but rarely are they *used
[02:52] <black_Nightmare> anyhow bbl to my own pc :p
[02:53] <mariano> is there any reason to buy and use an ISA card, except this kind of love i have for mine?
[02:54] <xamdm> mariano, none, isa is dead
[02:54] <delire> mariano: not really. even new boards that have ISA slots usually have an onboard audio controller that outperforms the old ISA cards
[02:54] <mariano> i supposed thath, xamdm
[02:54] <delire> mariano: that said we can get your card working, with some effort though
[02:54] <mariano> do we?
[02:54] <mariano> thanks a lot
[02:54] <ex0rt> Is it possible to use alternative Window Managers with Ubuntu, for example Fluxbox?
[02:55] <xamdm> what cind of card is it ??
[02:55] <delire> mariano: linux is famous for supporting such old hw, though just not in some of these modern Desktop distro's out of the box.
[02:55] <xamdm> ex0rt, why not ??
[02:55] <mariano> its an ISA Sound Blaster AWE64
[02:55] <delire> ex0rt: yes.. look at openbox or wmi.modprobe.de
[02:55] <xamdm> mariano, that should work
[02:56] <mariano> yes, it worked under Mandrake, but here... :(
[02:56] <PacoBCN> Guys, does gnomemeeting work for you?
[02:56] <black_nightmare> ok back on my pc now :p
[02:56] <mariano> it's such a peaceful sound card... :)
[02:56] <PacoBCN> It doesn't on my pc
[02:56] <black_nightmare> could you repeat that grep command again?
[02:56] <delire> mariano: black_nightmare: guys did you get any output from 'modprobe -l | grep isa'???
[02:57] <rdw200169> well, it's seems as though i've accomplished the impossible...
[02:57] <PacoBCN> I see it tries to use v4l2 while it should use vl4
[02:57] <delire> ex0rt: openbox is very good, though i use wmi now as my primary wm
[02:57] <mariano> yes, delire
[02:57] <ex0rt> Any particular reason why? =)
[02:58] <da_bon_bon> http://www.openpuppets.com/en/fondos/7.html ---> this looks UGLY! :P
[02:58] <mariano> modprobe gives a list of i-dont-know-what
[02:58] <rdw200169> are ubuntu developers going to make a 2.6.11.6+ kernel image for amd64?
[02:58] <delire> mariano: what did you see? anything like isa.o?
[02:58] <MaRk-I> anyone know the pkg name so the Numlock stays on at boot??
[02:58] <delire> hehe
[02:58] <black_nightmare> I see a sb16.ko and so on in this list
[02:59] <black_nightmare> but I don't see anything really helpful from that command at all
[02:59] <delire> black_nightmare: any 'isa.o' or similar?
[02:59] <mariano> yes, delire, i see the same as black_Nightmare
[02:59] <delire> black_nightmare: mariano: that command list all the modules (drivers) that relate to ISA support
[02:59] <delire> mariano: black_nightmare: but no 'isa.. something.o'
[02:59] <mariano> ok delire
[03:00] <MaRk-I> never mind got it numlockx
[03:00] <mariano> everything seems to be .ko, delire
[03:00] <black_nightmare> i2c-isa.ko and i2c-pca-isa.ko are the only closest thing I can find
[03:00] <delire> black_nightmare: mariano: that's OK..
[03:00] <black_nightmare> hm ok
[03:00] <drasko> hi all. How to make midi work on sounblaster live!
[03:01] <delire> black_nightmare: mariano: as root or using sudo do this: 'sudo modprobe sb16.ko'
[03:01] <delire> drasko: check this 'lsmod | grep midi'
[03:02] <delire> black_nightmare: mariano: any output from that? if that doesn't work, try the same but with i2c-isa.ko and then modprobe sb16.ko again
[03:02] <mariano> not found, delire
[03:02] <delire> black_nightmare: and you?
[03:03] <delire> mariano: hmm ok.. was the sb16.ko not found?
[03:03] <MaRk-I> ouch
[03:04] <mariano> yes, delire...should i take the module name from the grep results?
[03:04] <delire> mariano: yes definitely
[03:04] <mariano> ok, let me try
[03:04] <mariano> again
[03:04] <mariano> doesn't mind the location of the module in root mode?
[03:04] <delire> mariano: no it knows where to look
[03:05] <mariano> ok delire
[03:05] <mariano> so, why doesn't it found the module?
[03:05] <alle> Hi all
[03:05] <mariano> it seems i'm typing right
[03:06] <drasko> delire, ok, I can see snd_seq_midi, snd_seq_midi_emul, snd_emux_synth snd_virmidi, snd_seq_virmidi, snd_seq_midi_event, snd_seq, snd_seq_device snd
[03:06] <mariano> snd-sb16.ko it's the module's name
[03:06] <zepticon> hi... where do i sett the root pass in Ubuntu?
[03:07] <scizzo> zepticon: use sudo
[03:07] <alle> I've installed Ubuntu on a computer illiterate family's computer since they were fed up with Windows, and it's more or less fine so far. But now they're getting fed up with Ubuntu, too, since I can't get their printer to work. I wondered if upgrading to Hoary could help, and how safe it is right now?
[03:07] <scizzo> zepticon: sudo -s  will do almost the same as: su -
[03:07] <delire> drasko: well then you have midi support.
[03:08] <Bazzi> alle wait 1 week for hoary, then it's stable.
[03:08] <adobbie> alle: what printer is it?
[03:08] <delire> mariano: ok modprobe that
[03:08] <alle> Bazzi: I'll try. But they're really kind of angry right now :-)
[03:08] <LeeJunFan> alle: you might just need to get a better driver.
[03:08] <da_bon_bon> http://www.savetoby.com/ -- look -- XD
[03:08] <delire> zepticon: if you want a root password then 'sudo passwd root'
[03:08] <alle> adobbie: A Lexmark Z615 for which Lexmark provides CUPS drivers on its homepage.
[03:09] <mariano> error insertin, delire: no such device
[03:09] <alle> LeeJunFan: There is only the one directly from Lexmark.
[03:09] <adobbie> alle: sounds easy
[03:09] <delire> mariano: ok fine. did you see anything with 'isa' in the ISA grep output?
[03:09] <drasko> delire, yes, but I don't hear anything when midi is played in Muse
[03:09] <LeeJunFan> alle: wow, I'm impressed at lexmark for the first time in my life.
[03:09] <delire> drasko: try using aconnectgui
[03:09] <adobbie> I have an HP driver that requires you to load firmware into the printer
[03:10] <adobbie> it's a mega bitch to deal with
[03:10] <mariano> yes, delire, several modules seem to be under isa
[03:10] <LeeJunFan> alle: you might find a better one here though - http://www.linuxprinting.org/
[03:10] <mariano> should i try all of them?
[03:10] <alle> LeeJunFan, adobbie: It looks like the driver was installed correctly, and I can also set up the printer. But when I try to print something it just stays silent. What I find noteworthy, is that at boot time, the computer hangs when initializing USB stuff when the printer is plugged in.
[03:10] <LeeJunFan> alle: does the printer work at all when you try to print?
[03:10] <alle> No
[03:10] <alle> I even tried a plain text driver
[03:10] <alle> Nothing happens
[03:10] <adobbie> alle: did you follow all instructions?
[03:10] <delire> mariano: just try modprobing those modules until one loads (say i2c-isa.ko). then try modprobing the sb16.kop again
[03:10] <mariano> modprobe snd-sb-common did pass away, so
[03:10] <mariano> ok ok
[03:11] <alle> adobbie: I had thought it to be quite easy. So when it didn't work I read up on ubuntuguide.org and it appeared I had done nothing wrong.
[03:11] <LeeJunFan> alle: what if you do lsusb - does the printer show up?
[03:11] <drasko> delire, what to connect exactly?
[03:11] <mariano> i2c-isa loaded, delire
[03:11] <adobbie> Bus 003 Device 002: ID 03f0:0517 Hewlett-Packard LaserJet 1000
[03:11] <adobbie> should see something like that
[03:12] <delire> drasko: do you have it there? dos midi support show up?
[03:12] <alle> LeeJunFan: Positive, printer shows up as "Lexmark International, Inc."
[03:12] <MaRk-I> oh no... my java plugin isnt workinggggggg
[03:12] <MaRk-I> grrrr
[03:12] <mariano> delire: snd-sbawe seems to load
[03:12] <LeeJunFan> alle: and what status do you see with the printer if you run lpstat -t
[03:12] <delire> MaRk-I: java is an absolute arse. the best thing to do is follow the instructions exactly as they appear in the sun.com/java page
[03:12] <mariano> how do i test if it works
[03:12] <drasko> delire, no, it gives me segmentation fault, won't open... But I can try with aconnect...
[03:12] <delire> mariano: hah great
[03:13] <mariano> yeah great
[03:13] <jerome^_^> Hi guys, how do I mount a usb stick (FAT16 fs) from the command line ...
[03:13] <MaRk-I> delire, hhmm I used the instructions from "ubuntu" page...
[03:13] <falkar> mariano?
[03:13] <falkar> italiano?
[03:13] <mariano> yes falkar
[03:14] <falkar> ah .)
[03:14] <mariano> no, spanish, falkar
[03:14] <falkar> purio :)
[03:14] <falkar> :|
[03:14] <falkar> asd :|
[03:14] <falkar> sorry :|
[03:14] <black_nightmare> sorry was away for breakfast :p
[03:14] <alle> LeeJunFan: "Accepting requests since blah. Printer blah is idle."
[03:14] <drasko> delire, I have emu10k1 uart and 4 emu10k1 ports... Also I have 4 virtual ports... What is all this suppose to be and how to connect?
[03:14] <alle> LeeJunFan: Is there a console command to print something?
[03:14] <black_nightmare> any of you know if an all-scsi system (except for the disk drive) would certainally not need any of the ide kernel stuffs?
[03:14] <LeeJunFan> alle: cat /usr/share/cups/data/testprint.ps | lp
[03:14] <PacoBCN> somos dos los marianos y en Espaa, veo :)
[03:15] <PacoBCN> Sorry, that was all
[03:15] <LeeJunFan> alle: will try to print the testpage.
[03:15] <alle> LeeJunFan: "request id is Z600-v1.0-1-65 (1 file(s))", but in the real world nothing happens.
[03:15] <black_nightmare> hm anyone? :p
[03:15] <LeeJunFan> alle: now does lpstat -t show anything?
[03:16] <alle> LeeJunFan: Same as before. Also says "Ready to print" now at the end.
[03:16] <drasko> delire, There are outputs -- client 64: 'EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) - Rawmidi 0' [type=kernel] , client 65: 'Emu10k1 WaveTable' [type=kernel]  -- what's the difference here?
[03:16] <alle> alle: When I do lpstat -t right after the lp command, it says "printer blah now printing blah-0"
[03:16] <LeeJunFan> alle: sorry man - but I've really gotta get ready for work. But I'll be back probably in an hour or so.
[03:17] <alle> Damn.
[03:17] <alle> Well, should be able to wait an hour.
[03:17] <alle> Or do you have any ideas left adobbie?
[03:17] <adobbie> use CUPS
[03:17] <mariano> delire: how i get this driver loaded forever?
[03:17] <alle> adobbie: I thought I WAS using CUPS?
[03:17] <drasko> delire, for input I have client 64: 'EMU10K1 MPU-401 (UART) - Rawmidi 0' [type=kernel]  -- what's that suppose to be?
[03:17] <adobbie> and read all you can on the linux printing site
[03:19] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> is the latest ubuntu hoary builds supposed to have a graphical splash screen during boot? if so, how do I enable this (I am using my own bootloader from a different linux install.. not GRUB)
[03:19] <lewwy> well i just updated hoary, so...
[03:20] <kent> az[a] zel_ubuntu, hoary will not use a boot splash. its hoary+1
[03:20] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> kent, ah ok
[03:21] <lewwy> anything that is worth noticing after updating hoary?
[03:21] <xamdm> hoary+1 ??
[03:21] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> miss piggy
[03:21] <roo_> lewwy, Xorg :)
[03:22] <Tuxicity> o_O
[03:22] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> I'm pulling down 300MB of updates for hoary now, hope something has noticeably changed :) though I don't know what.. haven't found many bugs
[03:22] <roo_> lewwy, wait, i thought u said upgraded _to_ hoary. oops.
[03:22] <lewwy> yeh i got 300mb's worth of updates just now
[03:22] <lewwy> ofcourse, first appearences = not much difference
[03:23] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> the little update tool pops up in my system tray, so I just let it go
[03:23] <black_nightmare> sorry for spamming again but noticed a lot of new people coming in... any of you know if its worthy deleting the ide stuffs from a kernel when you know its going to be a scsi-only system?
[03:23] <lewwy> but underlying i think stability will improve
[03:23] <drasko> join #muse
[03:23] <GNAM> april 8 HOARY FINAL!
[03:23] <GNAM> first was april 6
[03:24] <roo_> black_nightmare, are u running a server or desktop?
[03:24] <black_nightmare> roo_ laptop actually ;)
[03:24] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> im going to be switching from mandrake to ubuntu once hoary is final I think
[03:24] <lewwy> meh...see, what i want to know is what will be the difference between my _updated_ hoary and that.  i mean, not like theres gonna be massive differences
[03:24] <black_nightmare> want figure toward making a custom kernel for it alone ;)
[03:24] <GNAM> what's the difference in ubuntu server install?
[03:24] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> though im considering the x86 version over the AMD64 version, just for easy compatibility
[03:24] <GNAM> no gnome?
[03:24] <black_nightmare> its scsi 2.5" hd and a disk drive -- nothing else in this laptop
[03:25] <roo_> black_nightmare, if everything works i dont see a problem. you could stop the ide modules from being loaded i suppose.
[03:25] <black_nightmare> roo_ well the laptop is quite old..not much hd and ram altogether
[03:25] <roo_> black_nightmare, "lsmod | grep ide"
[03:25] <black_nightmare> so I'm trying prune down as far as I can go
[03:25] <roo_> black_nightmare, any output to that?
[03:26] <black_nightmare> umm the laptop isn't running....
[03:26] <black_nightmare> I'm trying use my older pc (slot1 cpu) to look at the kernel source ;)
[03:26] <adobbie> alle: I don't remember touch anything with 'lp' in it when I configured the printer
[03:26] <adobbie> alle: just use the GUI stuff to configure it
[03:27] <alle> adobbie: I did that. The lp stuff was just now suggested to me by the other guy.
[03:27] <black_nightmare> roo_ I'm guessing I don't even need any of these lines for a single old scsi-2  2.5" hd under "# Multi-device support (RAID and LVM)" .. right?
[03:27] <delire> mariano: did it work?
[03:27] <lewwy> so...anyway my brother doesnt particularily like linux, or for that matter, ubuntu.  Does anyone here want to suggest some applications that may "wow" him"?
[03:27] <mjr> vim?
[03:28] <roo_> black_nightmare, right
[03:28] <delire> mariano: if you want that driver loaded forever all you need to do is edit /etc/modules so include the name
[03:28] <roo_> black_nightmare, only one way to find out ;)
[03:28] <black_nightmare> lewwy or maybe doom/quake2 if he's that kind of pc gamer
[03:28] <Tuxicity> mjr, lol
[03:28] <snowblink> lewwy, frozen bubble
[03:28] <black_nightmare> roo_ ... I guess I'll delete that particular list then..no need for raid/lvm
[03:28] <lewwy> i gots quake3 on here black_nightmare it doesnt do much for him
[03:28] <delire> drasko: the midi driver you have is perfectly ready to use.
[03:28] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> we need some eye candy like Mac OS X has.. that always wows people
[03:28] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> expose, dock icon zoom, etc etc
[03:28] <mjr> az, yes, coming, see luminocity
[03:28] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> yaeh I watched those videos
[03:28] <roo_> black_nightmare, if u want to build a Ubuntu custom kernel, try reading this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelHowto
[03:28] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> very cool stuff
[03:28] <lewwy> too bad mac os X sucks
[03:29] <delire> lewwy: precis
[03:29] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> I <3 Mac OS X :) *hugs ibook*
[03:29] <roo_> whats the point in blindly copying OSX features, az[a] zel_ubuntu ?
[03:29] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> yes I know it's proprietary and I'm a heathen
[03:29] <black_nightmare> roo_ nah not ubuntu -- not sure I'll even use a desktop gui
[03:29] <black_nightmare> I'm working on the souce to the plain 2.6.11.6 kernel itself here
[03:29] <black_nightmare> 68k one that is
[03:29] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> roo_, I dont mean copy it's features blindly.. just saying we could use some "wow factor" eye candy :)
[03:29] <lewwy> delire, what is precis?
[03:29] <roo_> well, i disagree az[a] zel_ubuntu :p
[03:30] <lewwy> update after update after update via synaptic
[03:30] <lewwy> i want a program, i have to download 10 megs worth of "dependencies"
[03:30] <delire> az[a] zel_ubuntu: what do you mean? http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=15431&file1=15431-1.jpg&file2=15431-2.jpg&file3=15431-3.jpg&name=KDE+3.3+-+Xorg+6.8+Beta+-+Unbeatable
[03:30] <delire> az[a] zel_ubuntu: OSX interface for linux is trivial to setup
[03:30] <lewwy> i suppose at the end of the day, its more cleaner, using dependencies
[03:30] <delire> lewwy: sorry. it means precisely
[03:31] <lewwy> lol here i was searching on synaptic for preci delire
[03:31] <roo_> i think the most important movement for the linux desktop is towards intergration.
[03:31] <lewwy> precis*
[03:31] <puppet> http://media.ebaumsworld.com/backstreet.swf
[03:31] <lewwy> roo_, intergration? intergrated into what?
[03:31] <black_nightmare> roo_ if I know that I'll probably only use an external modem with my laptop I don't need any of these network or IP stuffs?
[03:32] <black_nightmare> or do I still need certain ones even for dialup access?
[03:32] <roo_> intergration between the desktop and applications, whatever the nature and background of the apps.
[03:32] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> integration like apps understanding eachother and sharing more data...
[03:32] <roo_> exactly, az[a] zel_ubuntu
[03:32] <lewwy> hey heres a interesting shootout.  Quake 3 on a DSL system with minimalistic stuff installed against a win98 system.  The system is a 200mhz w/ s3 virge basic accelration
[03:32] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> like everything that needs to being able to see the address book data, for example
[03:32] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> and also, beagle needs to be able to search a whole bunch of data
[03:32] <roo_> the user should have to care if an app is a "KDE app" or "Gnome app" or "GTK" or "Qt"..
[03:33] <lewwy> yeh, it still feels like ubuntu is very "split up"
[03:33] <delire> roo_: see autopackage.org
[03:33] <lewwy> what they need to do, is recreate the filebrowsing archatechture into KDE
[03:33] <roo_> delire, seen it, they are doing great work.
[03:33] <lewwy> someone needs to make another version of a GUI that is nicely self packaged
[03:33] <lewwy> coding*
[03:33] <delire> lewwy: it's about choice. one reason why some switch from OSX or win32 to linux.
[03:33] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> drag 'n' drop needs to be everywhere.. as well as copying/pasting of things like images and other data needs to be rock solid (it works, I've seen it, but all apps need to support it)
[03:34] <roo_> black_nightmare, probably not, altho doing remove Unix Domain Sockets.
[03:34] <roo_> black_nightmare, or any TCP/IP stuff.
[03:34] <delire> roo_: really. it's incredible what they have acheived. have you used it?
[03:34] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> i've installed autopackage stuff before.. it's very slick
[03:34] <lewwy> yeh well, what do you expect.  Windows = one tech team = universal standard of apps talking to each other
[03:34] <black_nightmare> roo_ hm...well I guess I could just remove the tunnel/router/etc ones for now then ask about the rest later
[03:34] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> nah windows is a mess as well
[03:34] <roo_> delire, yeah i have a test box that i was playing with, its amazing functionality and now its reached 1.0... :D
[03:34] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> if you want to look at integration, look at OS X
[03:35] <lewwy> Linux = hundreds of tech teams, thousands of individuals = a little bit of crap here and there
[03:35] <roo_> black_nightmare, yep, slowly slowly catchy monkey :)
[03:35] <cowbud> az[a] zel_ubuntu: linux is on its way...
[03:35] <lewwy> az[a] zel_ubuntu, dont talk to me about OS X
[03:35] <mjr> az[a] zel_ubuntu, yes, it's a shame that many apps don't take full advantage of X11's clipboards, only using them for text
[03:35] <delire> lewwy: linux standardisation is evidenced in Novell's suite
[03:35] <lewwy> az[a] zel_ubuntu, i used to like it.  Until i discovered that it was..well...what is it?  all osx is is a bunch of GNU crap repacked and sold
[03:35] <lewwy> az[a] zel_ubuntu, hmm, selling free software, now THATS ethical
[03:36] <roo_> Novell are doing important work. They work almost soley on creating an intergrated environment.
[03:36] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> lewwy, erm what?
[03:36] <delire> az[a] zel_ubuntu: but it's heavily flawed. it *depends* on a single architecture, is not free and therefore is not a Public Operating System
[03:36] <lewwy> az[a] zel_ubuntu, isnt osx just another linux distro?
[03:36] <roo_> inho, intergration is a more immediately important goal for the linux desktop than windows that flop around like a fish. :p
[03:36] <black_nightmare> roo_ any idea what 'SCTP Configuration' is?
[03:36] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> lewwy, nothing wrong with selling free software.. but you're not paying for that (you can download darwin for free).. you're paying for aqua, and the apps on top of carbon/cocoa etc..
[03:36] <black_nightmare> or thats something I don't need for a home dialup laptop?
[03:36] <roo_> black_nightmare, nope, but google might :)
[03:36] <delire> az[a] zel_ubuntu: i have to use OSX at work from time to time and really dislike it, on a useability level also.
[03:36] <jerome^_^> "all osx is is a bunch of GNU crap repacked and sold" .... but its so pretty
[03:36] <Bazzi> lewwy it's BSD and the kernel ahs been made by apple, so userland is BSD.
[03:36] <davegahanx> why does hoary not automatically mount windows volumes ?
[03:36] <queuetue> lewwy, Uhm, no.  OSX is the aqua interface running on the Darwin port of BSD...
[03:37] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> lewwy, Mach kernel with BSD userland
[03:37] <roo_> davegahanx, because of the kittens!
[03:37] <lewwy> okay lets explain my dilemma then
[03:37] <queuetue> Is Darwin the Mach kernel?
[03:37] <mjr> selling free software is not what's bad about apple. What's bad about apple is closed specs, drm and patent lawsuits and threats, and stuff like that. Oh, and that they're selling proprietary software ;)
[03:37] <lewwy> because i think my understanding of OSX is flawed
[03:37] <delire> mjr: yes
[03:37] <jerome^_^> delire: i use it at uni (graphic design) ... and its amazing. makes things so much quicker with F9, F10 and F11
[03:37] <davegahanx> pardon ?
[03:37] <roo_> selling free software is a Good Thing (tm). FSF encourage it.
[03:38] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> lewwy, it has some really nice user interface features.. like expose for instance... you can see all open windows at once (it scales them and updates in real time).. which is great for dragging and dropping... start drag, activate expose, drag to other window, deactive expose, let go... very slick
[03:38] <delire> jerome^_^: i develop 3D applications and do alot of 3D modelling. it's terrible for that. extremely slow
[03:38] <Mitario> hi
[03:38] <lewwy> az[a] zel_ubuntu, at school, i use a variation of iMacs and eMacs. Okay, so first time i use it i think, meh, not so bad.  Anyway, bit by bit, apps start crashing.
[03:38] <lewwy> once i had a mac crash SO bad
[03:38] <lewwy> i couldnt even turn it off by using the 5 seconds off feature
[03:38] <Mitario> what does Apr  1 15:37:48 localhost kernel: scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery: host 8 channel 0 id 0 lun 0 mean? (it happens some time after i plug in my 3,5" usb-ide harddisk box)
[03:38] <roo_> davegahanx, im kidding. probably a philosophy thing, u can find out how to do it yourself here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[03:38] <lewwy> i mean...soft switches
[03:39] <jerome^_^> delire: k, take ur word for it ... I always wondered what 3d developers used. Always thought dos was the preferred
[03:39] <black_nightmare> roo_ 'watchdog' is that  like useless in a home laptop?  if I recall right it reboots the system when it detect the os is hung or so
[03:39] <lewwy> who the hell DEPENDS on soft switches
[03:39] <davegahanx> sure i did it already
[03:39] <lewwy> atleast the soft switch on the front of my case WOKS
[03:39] <delire> az[a] zel_ubuntu: i tend to differ, OSX has twice the 'clicks' that even a modern win32 desktop has. it's tiring to use and this 'Finder' assumes software is lost already.
[03:39] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> lewwy, I rarely have stability problems with my ibook, so I dunno
[03:39] <lewwy> WORKS*
[03:39] <davegahanx> and with help of someone
[03:39] <roo_> black_nightmare, afaik, its useless for u mate
[03:39] <black_nightmare> roo_ yeah like I thought ty
[03:39] <davegahanx> however, should be mounted automatically
[03:39] <black_nightmare> and roo_ if you want to.. go to www.lowendmac.com and look for 'powerbook' in the right navigator bar .. and find the 145B
[03:39] <roo_> davegahanx, it should mount automaticaly on boot if uve done it properly, yeah
[03:40] <black_nightmare> thats what I own..and am trying to figure making the kernel for :p
[03:40] <mariano> delire
[03:40] <mariano> thanks a lot, man
[03:40] <lewwy> anyway, last year we're using OSX 10 on  a iMac. (Hell it takes ages to encode) anyway, there we are and im watching my friend.  all of a sudden, it dissapears.  Just...gone.  Can't recover it (because of macs ghey ass filesystem).  So we failed.  And THATS why i hate macs
[03:40] <mariano> it works fine, and i learned a lot too
[03:40] <delire> jerome^_^: walt-disney, weta et al prefer Linux running maya. OSX is good for video editing albeit. though Main Actor for Linux is eating heavily into Final Cut Pro's market share
[03:40] <delire> mariano: hey great!! tell black_nightmare all about it won't you..
[03:41] <delire> mariano: good for you. take a few notes and you'll be able to search and load drivers on any linux machine
[03:41] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> lewwy, OS X uses HFS+.. a journaling filesystem.. but journalled filesystem don't journal data, only meta data, so the filesystem is recoverable, but not necessarily your data.. I've had reiserfs on linux hose my data on a crash too
[03:41] <delire> mariano: ISA support for her sound card
[03:41] <lewwy> az[a] zel_ubuntu, obviously getting into another os debate will get us nowhere
[03:42] <lewwy> az[a] zel_ubuntu, but atleast i know about the alternative of linux so im not blindly fighting for WINDOWS PWNS MAC
[03:42] <black_nightmare> 'cryptographic' ... what is that again?
[03:42] <lewwy> encryption black_nightmare ?
[03:42] <roo_> black_nightmare, crc functions, important.
[03:42] <delire> proprietary operating systems are rapidly becoming a thing of the past. the business model crumbles under feasibility studies and the responsibility of public administrational bodies to remain vendor neutral
[03:42] <black_nightmare> oh ok ty
[03:43] <black_nightmare> "# Native Language Support" would that be for other languages than english or am I not getting something?
[03:43] <jerome^_^> delire: i cant wait to get started with 3d modelling ... im gonna start playing around with blender one day soon ...
[03:43] <roo_> black_nightmare, for character encodings. important..
[03:44] <roo_> black_nightmare, btw, that is some BADASS laptop ur building this kernel for! ;)
[03:44] <delire> jerome^_^: excellent choice. i'm teaching blender to game development students here in denmark
[03:44] <padlefot> what does "tout c'qu'on connait" mean?
[03:44] <delire> jerome^_^: see http://selectparks.net for a few tips
[03:44] <roo_> blender is wonderful, what an achievement
[03:44] <black_nightmare> roo_ you're amusing.. its not really badass :))
[03:44] <delire> really. i use it daily and cherish it.
[03:45] <padlefot> anyone in here speak french?
[03:45] <roo_> black_nightmare, how much did it cost? did u even pay for it? :o
[03:45] <lewwy> padlefot, it means "stuff you retard" more or less
[03:45] <Tuxicity> padlefot, ==everything we know
[03:45] <black_nightmare> someone want to explain different linux file systems to me?
[03:45] <mariano> got to restart now, delire
[03:45] <padlefot> Tuxicity thanx alot =)
[03:45] <delire> roo_: i used maya in a day job for several years, and also 3DSMax and both pale for rapid mesh modelling/animation
[03:45] <lewwy> well black_nightmare when a mummy and a daddy love each other very much...
[03:45] <delire> mariano: ok bye
[03:45] <mariano> so i test your implementation here
[03:45] <mariano> :)
[03:45] <mariano> see ya
[03:45] <mariano> thanks a lot, again
[03:45] <delire> roo_: for character animation maya is superior however
[03:45] <delire> mariano: anytime!
[03:46] <padlefot> lewwy, bgish
[03:46] <black_nightmare> roo_ I got it used actually btw...still have to figure buying a newly-rebuilt battery for it since the one in it is aging at like past 1.6 years old now
[03:46] <roo_> delire, u really think so? ive only ever use 3dsmax and maya a little, blender a lot (long time linux user) but only as a hobby. i think its a fantstic tool
[03:46] <black_nightmare> so would someone like to explain linux file types to me or what? :p
[03:47] <roo_> black_nightmare, file types? or filesystem types?
[03:47] <delire> roo_: i think it's a much faster tool for rapid mesh modelling. it simply performs and plays better. harder to get into but the rewards are great.
[03:47] <padlefot> extensions i guess..
[03:47] <adobbie> black_nightmare: 'man file'
[03:47] <black_nightmare> sorry.. filesystem I mean
[03:47] <black_nightmare> doh
[03:47] <adobbie> black_nightmare: I recommend XFS
[03:47] <black_nightmare> I'm wondering if I need all of these or I can edit it down
[03:47] <black_nightmare> adobbie... xfs?  even for a tiny hd
[03:47] <delire> black_nightmare: ext3 == journaled file system. ext2 == static file system. reiserfs, trouble.
[03:47] <roo_> black_nightmare, too much to explain.. please googe for that there is a TONNE of literature on linux filesystems.
[03:47] <adobbie> black_nightmare: why not?
[03:47] <adobbie> it's scales
[03:47] <adobbie> it scales
[03:48] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> so I'm running x.org on hoary right now (right?), can I get those funky drop shadows now? :)
[03:48] <black_nightmare> hmm ok
[03:48] <black_nightmare> storage hd would usually be ext2/ext3 or do they use something else on average [or by default] ?
[03:48] <adobbie> ext2 is crap
[03:48] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> reiserfs is bad news.. eats data on crash.. I wonder if version 4 will be good
[03:48] <delire> az[a] zel_ubuntu: yep.. though i'm not the one to help as i don't have the UI handy
[03:48] <black_nightmare> just curious which filesystem for both my laptop's hd and any external hd shared from someone
[03:48] <adobbie> ext3 is just a hack on ext2
[03:49] <black_nightmare> oh ok
[03:49] <delire> az[a] zel_ubuntu: apparently it will be yes..
[03:49] <padlefot> i only use ext3
[03:49] <delire> black_nightmare: i enjoy ext3. to convert ext2 --> ext3 simply 'tune2fs -j /dev/<yourpartition>'
[03:49] <Tuxicity> black_nightmare, i have no problem with EXT3
[03:50] <padlefot> cant say i have had any either
[03:50] <delire> it's practically a standard..
[03:50] <black_nightmare> so I'll keep ext3....jfs...xfs...minix...quotactl...dnotify....autofs....autofs4
[03:50] <black_nightmare> ughh or maybe..I should just see what the average everyone else would be using on similar systems maybe
[03:51] <prego> Hi. Does anyone use UMTS with ubuntu via PCMCIA in a laptop?
[03:51] <padlefot> can i make my ntfs partition writeable from linux?
[03:51] <adobbie> XFS is the only filesystem I use on harddrives
[03:51] <mariano> well
[03:51] <PacoBCN> padlefot, sure
[03:51] <thoreauputic> black_nightmare: ext3 is pretty much standard
[03:51] <adobbie> padlefot: you probably don't want to
[03:51] <padlefot> PacoBCN, howto? :-)
[03:51] <PacoBCN> padlefot, but it's dangerous!
[03:51] <delire> padlefot: only with a 'captive ntfs' driver
[03:51] <mariano> thanks to delire, here i can play cds by now
[03:51] <delire> mariano: great ;))
[03:51] <black_nightmare> any idea what 'autofs' would be? :p
[03:51] <delire> anyway, must head off out..
[03:51] <mariano> hey delire, really great
[03:52] <adobbie> black_nightmare: it's in the documentation.
[03:52] <Tuxicity> padlefot, ya, use CaptiveNTFS
[03:52] <thoreauputic> black_nightmare: why do you need to delve into this?
[03:52] <mariano> black_nightmare: did you get your soundcard working yet
[03:52] <black_nightmare> thore....shave out as much as I can...especially for the reason of a small hd
[03:53] <black_nightmare> or minimal kernel in another word
[03:53] <Tuxicity> black_nightmare, i think autofs is for autoloading CDs?
[03:53] <padlefot> Tuxicity, sourceforge? or can i find it in apt?
[03:53] <adobbie> NFS
[03:53] <black_nightmare> hmm guess don't need that then tuxi..I'll check any search for 'autofs cd' later when I have less things running here
[03:54] <lewwy> hey dudes, does anyone know how to run quake3 in timedemo?
[03:55] <black_nightmare> welll I'm going bbl for a while but remain logged on
[03:55] <adobbie> "The automounter is a tool to automatically mount remote file systems on demand. This implementation is partially kernel-based to reduce overhead in the already-mounted case; this is unlike the BSD automounter (amd), which is a pure user space daemon."
[03:55] <adobbie> for those not familiar with autofs
[03:58] <prego> Does anyone use UMTS with ubuntu?
[03:58] <lewwy> ...
[03:59] <lewwy> crap, how do you make quake3 record the timedemo results
[04:00] <lewwy> 188.3 fps in quake3 timedemo
[04:00] <lewwy> thats...thats fast
[04:00] <kev0r> h8tz!
[04:00] <lewwy> what kev0r ?
[04:01] <Lena14> hello... i have a problem.. i got and old comp who wont start booting from the cd.. so want to make a bootable floppy to then start the ubuntu-install from cd.. is there any .img i can write with rawrite to my floppy on the cd? :O
[04:01] <lewwy> hang on Lena14 i think i have one
[04:01] <Lena14> okai! thx! :D
[04:01] <lewwy> if you google bootcd.img
[04:01] <lewwy> hang on i'll link you
[04:01] <Lena14> k, thx =)
[04:02] <stdout> is it true that ubuntu project is off cause of finantial reasons ?
[04:02] <Lena14> is it true that its 1 april today?
[04:02] <oXeN> heh
[04:02] <Lena14> ;)
[04:03] <oXeN> Did you hear I bought Ubuntu and I am changing the name to "Better than all other linux distros"
[04:03] <oXeN> its true
[04:03] <Rene_S> OMG, what a scary looking GDM screen
[04:03] <manduck> Lena14: is it true?
[04:04] <Lena14> hehe, who knows ;)
[04:04] <bugaboo> hey
[04:04] <lewwy> ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/damnsmall/current/boot-0.8.0.img
[04:04] <oXeN> i highly doubt it last I heard the ubuntu developers were teaming with another distro or something
[04:04] <manduck> Lena14: is ubuntu project dead?
[04:04] <lewwy> Lena14, ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/damnsmall/current/boot-0.8.0.img
[04:05] <Lena14> Thx! :D
[04:05] <oXeN> and there is a release coming out soon heh
[04:05] <Lena14> manduck, dont think so =)
[04:05] <lewwy> Lena14, i _think_ that may work
[04:05] <Lena14> lewwy, i trie it n tell soon =)
[04:05] <lewwy> Lena14, just disregard the feather linux splash on bootup
[04:05] <lewwy> r u a chick Lena14 ?
[04:05] <Lena14> ;)
[04:05] <lewwy> Lena14, just wondering thats all
[04:05] <lewwy> Lena14, because i will certainly die if girls start using linux
[04:05] <Lena14> would u believe me is i saied yes? =P
[04:06] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[04:06] <Lena14> :D
[04:06] <jsgotangco> hey
[04:06] <black_nightmare> adobbie so I guess that I don't need autofs if I don't plan any remote drives?
[04:06] <jsgotangco> i have a friend (a babe) who maitains in debian
[04:06] <manduck> are ubuntu shipping ubuntu linux @ home for free?
[04:06] <jsgotangco> manduck: yes just request at shipit.ubuntulinux.org
[04:07] <Tuxicity> manduck, Ubuntu is well alive
[04:07] <lewwy> thats gotta be costing them a lot of money
[04:07] <manduck> i requested approx. 1 month ago but i`ve n`t recieved yet...
[04:07] <mercurus_> manduck, Hoary hasn't been released ...
[04:07] <lewwy> Tuxicity, it really doesnt make sense.  People just dont...send stuff out for free...
[04:08] <lewwy> Tuxicity, its not like its ad supported, so they're not making any money off i
[04:08] <lewwy> it*
[04:08] <manduck> Hoary?
[04:08] <lewwy> tell you what, i'll be damned if they ship me my 10cd's
[04:08] <Tuxicity> lewwy, 650MB CDs are cheaper i suppose then 700MB ones
[04:08] <lewwy> if they do, windows = gone
[04:08] <PacoBCN> just wondering how many of us will switch to next alpha release as soon as it's available :)
[04:08] <thoreauputic> lewwy: they are getting lots of users, a community and good PR
[04:08] <padlefot> they do send out CD's
[04:09] <lewwy> yeh lol, i downloaded ubuntu because of...well two people said it was good
[04:09] <lewwy> on a forum
[04:09] <lewwy> and hell i hate yumex
[04:09] <padlefot> we ordered 600 cds for a LAN-party we had in february
[04:09] <lewwy> i hate yum
[04:09] <black_nightmare> paco..I'll rather stick to what already working for me (decided to stop bother updating too) ... just kinda don't like the bandwidth useage
[04:09] <lewwy> padlefot, are you serious?
[04:09] <manduck> yumex?
[04:09] <Laverne> I got 10 cd's as well
[04:09] <black_nightmare> ;)
[04:09] <padlefot> lewwy: yes, we even went downtown and gave them out after the party, for free..
[04:09] <PacoBCN>  I ordered 20 copies of Ubuntu hoary and when they arrived I gave them away to friends. Now all of them are ubuntu users
[04:10] <lewwy> lol it'll take a bit b4 my friends become ubuntu users
[04:10] <Tuxicity> padlefot, neat
[04:10] <padlefot> Tuxicity, yeah.. TLUGS idea..
[04:10] <manduck> but how theyafford that cost?
[04:10] <PacoBCN> well, all my friends were so pissed off with Windows that it was pretty easy to make them switch
[04:10] <lewwy> beg
[04:10] <lewwy> paypal donate?
[04:10] <padlefot> lewwy, and the firm that supports them
[04:11] <padlefot> whats its name?
[04:11] <thoreauputic> manduck: heh - Mark Shuttleworth has plenty of money...
[04:11] <lewwy> ...
[04:11] <jsgotangco> its not infinite though
[04:11] <PacoBCN> thoreauputic, indeed, don't think he needs any paypal :)
[04:11] <GNAM> 8th april: end of winxp
[04:11] <black_nightmare> don't flame me but...I've kinda been wondering about put my pc back to 98se as soon as I figure linux on my laptop
[04:11] <djp> is there an april fools from ubuntu doing the rounds? the reason i ask is that i have a very strange pic appear at the login screen. looks like it is taking the mickey out of the three 'models' that are used for normal ubuntu shots...
[04:11] <padlefot> Canonical Ltd
[04:11] <alle> LeeJunFan: Hi, you back again?
[04:11] <manduck> FGNAME, how?
[04:11] <PacoBCN> jsgotangco, it might not be infinite byt if he can spend millions to have a trip in the space...
[04:11] <black_nightmare> ubuntu is just quite being slow (long delay to get terminal opened too) on this pc compared to that it was quite fast with the customized 98se months ago
[04:11] <GNAM> ayauau
[04:12] <black_nightmare> oh well..at least the laptop'll let me still poke around with linux for now
[04:12] <mariano> hey, somebody knows how to make mp3 work in ubuntu?
[04:12] <thoreauputic> black_nightmare: on older PCs a better distro is something like Vector Linux
[04:12] <skreet> black_nightmare, Ubuntu isnt a depricated OS
[04:12] <geppy> mariano: Enable universe, then do 'sudo apt-get install gstreamer-plugins'
[04:12] <Laverne> black_nightmare, I dont know if its done on startup but try hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[04:12] <PacoBCN> mariano, did you read the ubuntuguide.org?
[04:12] <padlefot> mariano: sudo apt-get install xmms
[04:12] <prego> mariano, get gstreamer-mad pakage
[04:12] <jsgotangco> PacoBCN: he has good people handling that money so its always revolving
[04:12] <mariano> yeah, PacoBCN
[04:13] <mariano> but didn't get any clear idea
[04:13] <lewwy> but...thousands of cd's
[04:13] <skreet> mariano, apt-get install gstreamer-mad and you'll be fine :D
[04:13] <PacoBCN> mariano, tocayo, I recommend you to install beep media player
[04:13] <geppy> Where can I find Linus' latest April fools' joke?
[04:13] <lewwy> at least 500,000 dollars in postage
[04:13] <geppy> PacoBCN: pfffft
[04:13] <manduck> is ubuntu for server avialable?
[04:13] <mariano> where can i get that PacoBCN
[04:13] <thoreauputic> black_nightmare: don't forget Win98 was designed to run on hardware 7 years old
[04:13] <padlefot> lewwy; i have an original worty install cd right here :)
[04:13] <skreet> manduck, I use it for a server, I just disable gdm.
[04:13] <PacoBCN> mariano, did you enable all repos?
[04:13] <geppy> manduck: Ubuntu works fine for servers;  just 'sudo apt-get install apache2'
[04:13] <prego> geppy, "prego is best user ever" ;-P
[04:13] <geppy> prego: hahahaha =)
[04:13] <mariano> no PacoBCN, ... how i...?
[04:13] <manduck> skreet, gdm?
[04:13] <mariano> :)
[04:14] <PacoBCN> mariano, if you did it's just "sudo apt-get install beep-media-player"
[04:14] <black_nightmare> thore.....in this case: 300Amhz slot1, 128mb ram, and that the motherboard is udma/33 controllers, and I probably could list a bit more but nevermind :p
[04:14] <skreet> manduck, Gnome Display Manager (basically I disable the GUI)
[04:14] <manduck> [newbie though ;)] 
[04:14] <black_nightmare> thats my pc right there
[04:14] <skreet> manduck, I enable SSHD and log in via ssh
[04:14] <PacoBCN> mariano, in ubuntuguide.org you'll find complete isntructions
[04:14] <skreet> manduck, Then I installed and setup vsftp, apache and ts server
[04:14] <manduck> skreet, okay
[04:14] <topyli> geppy: don't know but Dave jones has a nice post on lkml: http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/4/1/41
[04:14] <black_nightmare> some wonder I'm not minding it but then the long delay to open simple windows sometimes is just a tad bit annoying
[04:14] <skreet> manduck, Works rather nicely. http://www.k-cubed.net/~skreet/
[04:14] <PacoBCN> mariano, or just type this: "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[04:14] <geppy> topyli: Thanks!
[04:14] <accuser> manduck: when booting from ubuntu cd to install, type 'server' at the boot prompt to install without gdm
[04:14] <thoreauputic> black_nightmare: a bit slow for a modern distro - vector or Debian Woody would run better than Ubuntu on ot
[04:14] <black_nightmare> vector linux? hmm...let me try find the website for that....
[04:14] <thoreauputic> *it
[04:15] <padlefot> proftpd
[04:15] <mariano> i don't have the package, PacoBCN (gstreamer)
[04:15] <manduck> skreet, do you know about server configuration?
[04:15] <GNAM> accuser: server=no gnome?
[04:15] <lewwy> debian rocks
[04:15] <black_nightmare> thore..yeah..I guess you already said it lol
[04:15] <Tuxicity> black_nightmare, but xfce would be faster than Gnome i suppose
[04:15] <alle> LeeJunFan: I've been reading linuxprinting.org, but it didn't tell me much. However, the behaviour of lpstat -t changed. It now says "Starting ESP Ghostscript" forever
[04:15] <accuser> GNAM: yes
[04:15] <thoreauputic> black_nightmare: Vector is quite nice, up to date, and quick
[04:15] <PacoBCN> mariano, I'll PM you
[04:15] <skreet> manduck, What kind of server? Apache?
[04:16] <manduck> skreet, LAN server???
[04:16] <padlefot> is the apache2 config anything like the apache config?
[04:16] <prego> Tuxicity, i don't feel xfce faster than Gnome any more. It is lighter, that is clear- but not faster as it was time ago (IMHO)
[04:16] <skreet> manduck, A LAN server to HOST what?
[04:16] <skreet> manduck, Games? Websites? Domain controller?
[04:16] <skreet> manduck, You can *serve* just about ANYTHING :D
[04:16] <LeeJunFan> alle: I wonder if ghostscript is the problem. make sure it's installed.
[04:16] <Tuxicity> prego, cause xfce became slower or Gnome faster?
[04:17] <skreet> prego, Agreed
[04:17] <padlefot> anybody use "3ddesktop" here?
[04:17] <manduck> skreet, plz PM with me i want help belonging server, will you help me?
[04:17] <accuser> padlefot: used it, but uninstalled. no good for dvd playback - grabs desktop image every couple of seconds
[04:17] <alle> LeeJunFan: Synaptic doesn't find anything when I type "ghost". How's the package called?
[04:17] <thoreauputic> padlefot: I played with it - but my current machine doesn't have a 3d card
[04:18] <skreet> manduck, You cant clearly tell me what you want your server to host I have no way of helping you out.
[04:18] <prego> Tuxicity, because gnome become faster
[04:18] <black_nightmare> thore....it would be interesting to try get my own custom minimal kernel compiled and xfree [or any small frontend]  running on my 68k laptop which is TONS older than the pc even is.... mainly just for fun :p
[04:18] <LeeJunFan> alle: well, that's maybe not it after all. I also don't have ghostscript installed. :-/
[04:18] <padlefot> accuser: kinda figured it was loadish
[04:18] <Tuxicity> prego, good, better this way
[04:18] <prego> Tuxicity, Metacity speed has improved very much
[04:18] <black_nightmare> and if you want to know.. its a 68030@ 25mhz with 8mb of ram.  tiny 2.5" scsi hd too
[04:18] <black_nightmare> :p
[04:18] <Tuxicity> prego, 2.10?
[04:18] <prego> Tuxicity, Metacity was very slow some time ago. I don't know why
[04:18] <skreet> black_nightmare, 2.5" scsi?
[04:18] <black_nightmare> but then yeah as for my pc... hm I may as well as see about redoing it to vector linux and see if that clicks this time
[04:19] <prego> Tuxicity, first time I saw gnome being fast was in Warty
[04:19] <lewwy> whats the command to run bittornado-gui?
[04:19] <LeeJunFan> alle: ok - gs-common gs-esp gsfonts
[04:19] <manduck> skreet: actually i haven`t server but i`m client in LAN, through which i access net by paying some charges..
[04:19] <black_nightmare> skreet... usually in 68k powerbooks.  oftenly apple rom-ed seagate's
[04:19] <black_nightmare> but then yeah they are rare now
[04:19] <black_nightmare> seagate or quantum?  umm I forgot already
[04:19] <roo_> lewwy, btdownloadgui.py ?
[04:19] <Tuxicity> prego, but i think they plan to make optimizations in like 2.12
[04:19] <thoreauputic> lewwy: btdownloadgui
[04:19] <alle> LeeJunFan: All installed here
[04:19] <prego> Tuxicity, also many small improvements have been made in diferent areas. The result is that in speed is as fast as Xfce now.
[04:19] <thoreauputic> lewwy: I think
[04:20] <prego> Tuxicity, yes, GTK is still slow in some areas
[04:20] <manduck> skreet: but my LAN admin disabled POP, SMTP, NNTP, DCC...access...and not cooperating with me..
[04:20] <lewwy> wxPython is either not installed or has not been installed properly.
[04:20] <alle> LeeJunFan: When I type gs-esp on the console, a new window and a GS> shell start up
[04:20] <prego> Tuxicity, and of course there may be specific gnome parts to be optimized yet.
[04:20] <skreet> manduck, Theres no way around that.
[04:20] <lewwy> thats what i get for btdownloadgui
[04:20] <skreet> manduck, You can make a local POP SMTP NNTP DCC server but it wont touch the internet.
[04:20] <LeeJunFan> alle: hrm. I wonder if you could get anything more if you turned up the debugging level in cups and checked the logs.
[04:20] <thoreauputic> lewwy: well, install it then :)
[04:20] <manduck> but i want these services enabled so hopw do i........
[04:21] <skreet> Anyone know of a way to make FireFox not so damn slow?
[04:21] <lewwy> wtf is wxpython?
[04:21] <manduck> skreet: there is no way?
[04:21] <EvilIdler> lewwy: wxWidgets for Python
[04:21] <skreet> manduck, Not if they set those denys up right.
[04:21] <prego> lewwy, wxwidgets bindings for python
[04:21] <EvilIdler> lewwy: http://www.wxwidgets.org
[04:21] <accuser> skreet: disable ipv6 in about:setup
[04:21] <black_nightmare> thore.....I've noticed three types of vector linux... 4.3 deluxe, 5.0 SOHO, 1.8 standard
[04:21] <black_nightmare> a bit confusing to me now lol
[04:21] <skreet> accuser, Hm, thanks.
[04:22] <manduck> skreet : :(
[04:22] <lewwy> hey guys, how hard is it to program for ubuntu?
[04:22] <thoreauputic> black_nightmare: for that machine, don't use the SOHO version
[04:22] <lewwy> what options do i have?
[04:22] <accuser> skreet: sorry, about:config
[04:22] <lewwy> i know i have C, ASM, but what else?
[04:22] <roo_> lewwy, what language, target etc?
[04:22] <skreet> oh was about to complain accuser  :D
[04:22] <thoreauputic> black_nightmare: and 1.8 is ancient\
[04:22] <roo_> lewwy, about every language under the sun.
[04:22] <black_nightmare> so 4.3 deluxe then I take it?
[04:22] <lewwy> roo_, even visual basic?
[04:22] <bugaboo> i cant get internet sharing to work properly :(
[04:22] <thoreauputic> black_nightmare: 1.8 is for really old machines
[04:22] <black_nightmare> I see
[04:23] <manduck> lewwy : is there assembler avialable for linux?
[04:23] <roo_> lewwy, thats not a programming language.
[04:23] <thoreauputic> black_nightmare: probably, yes - last one I used was 3.2 so...
[04:23] <roo_> manduck, of course
[04:23] <manduck> lewwy : for ubuntu?
[04:23] <Lena14> lewwy, that was a knoppix floppy? =)
[04:23] <black_nightmare> thore...you still can download 3.2 :p
[04:23] <manduck> roo_ : name plz???
[04:23] <roo_> manduck, what? :/
[04:23] <lewwy> Lena14, yes, but it should boot from CD
[04:24] <Lena14> it didnt :(
[04:24] <lewwy> Lena14, someone i know used it to boot windows XP
[04:24] <UBabe> is cowbud about?
[04:24] <thoreauputic> black_nightmare: you can still get all of them
[04:24] <Lena14> k
[04:24] <manduck> roo_ : assembler name?
[04:24] <bugaboo> "Make sure your not running routed or gated" -- I read this in my tutorial anyone with a clue what it means?
[04:24] <skreet> My hard disk is making some noise and my computer is running REALLY slow, anything like the old SMART for dos that might be able to tell me of an imminent failure?
[04:24] <us0571> have any one installed ns2 in ubuntu? ^_^
[04:24] <EvilIdler> manduck: gas or nasm
[04:24] <roo_> manduck, is your target x86?
[04:24] <bugaboo> it is regarding iptables
[04:24] <roo_> manduck, if x86 use nasm
[04:24] <alle> LeeJunFan: I got it nearly at max. Can't find anything, but that could also have to do with the tens of thousands of lines of information in the error_log
[04:25] <manduck> roo_ : yes
[04:25] <roo_> manduck, use nasm (or gas like EvilIdler said already)
[04:25] <roo_> manduck, you should learn to google these things. save yourself and others some time :/
[04:25] <manduck> roo_ : ok :(
[04:25] <black_nightmare> thore...do you know if there is any meaning of 'Multi-device support (RAID and LVM)' for a single-hd laptop or not really?
[04:25] <black_nightmare> ;)
[04:25] <prego> Nice! I have installed flashplayer-mozilla and now Mozilla et al crash when there is flash content ??????
[04:25] <LeeJunFan> alle: yeah, cups is fun sometimes.
[04:26] <topyli> bugaboo: i guess it means you shouldn't run them :)
[04:26] <deFrysk> prego, get flashplayer-nonfree
[04:26] <alle> LeeJunFan: this is just kind of a crappy situation, because I've been using Linux since almost seven years and am practically lost. Can't even try to imagine to give this to people and let them be on their own...
[04:27] <cowbud> UBabe: he is :)
[04:27] <cowbud> just a little slow
[04:27] <thoreauputic> black_nightmare: not relevant if you have only one hard drive
[04:27] <black_nightmare> ok..deleted all of these :p
[04:27] <LeeJunFan> alle: yeah, I know. A lot of people fool themselves into believing linux is ready for everyone just because it works for them.
[04:27] <prego> deFrysk, flashplugin-nonfree ?
[04:28] <padlefot> well if it works for them, thats great. they can take the next step.. everyone has to start somewhere..
[04:28] <LeeJunFan> alle: but on the other hand when was the last time you got an informative error from windows other than can't spool print job or something. :)
[04:28] <deFrysk> prego, yup
[04:28] <prego> LeeJunFan, he, what it is good for me is good for everybody ;-)
[04:28] <alle> LeeJunFan: That's true as well.
[04:28] <alle> :-/
[04:29] <alle> LeeJunFan: Any other suggestions? There has to be SOME useful output somewhere ...
[04:29] <black_nightmare> leejun you know whats a bit amusing?
[04:29] <alle> LeeJunFan: Especially that the computer hangs at "Starting USB" on boot when the printer is plugged in, that's very strange.
[04:29] <black_nightmare> leejun - first of all..do you know about compact macintosh's (alak these with the small screen attached) or not really? :p
[04:30] <LeeJunFan> alle: it is - I wonder if there could be a lower level problem like a hardware based conflict with something and the usb bus. Are there any other usb devices in use?
[04:31] <Lena14> anyone know if there is and "floppy-install" so i can install ubuntu from the net, without a cdrom ?
[04:31] <prego> deFrysk, no luck .. it crashes again....
[04:31] <deFrysk> prego, where did you get mozilla from ?
[04:31] <prego> deFrysk, from repositories
[04:31] <alle> LeeJunFan: A mouse.
[04:32] <deFrysk> the officilal one prego ?
[04:32] <prego> deFrysk, Mozilla2:7.1.6-1ubuntu1
[04:32] <deFrysk> ok
[04:33] <prego> deFrysk, mozilla-browser, sorry
[04:33] <deFrysk> removed the other flash thing from mozilla ?
[04:33] <krism> when i plug multiple USB disks in, hotplug assigns /dev/sd[a-c]  based on the order in which i plug them in... is there a way to make it so when i plug in a specific disk, it's always a specific device?
[04:33] <LeeJunFan> alle: sorry man - I'm at a loss.
[04:33] <mjr> krism, yes, but I think you'd have to tune udev manually for it
[04:34] <mjr> krism, google for udev introductions/references if you still want to
[04:34] <alle> LeeJunFan: Well, I think I'll just try the Hoary upgrade...
[04:34] <krism> mjr : digging around /etc/udev now, thanks :)
[04:34] <bur[n] er> w00t... whoever put xfce4 into ubuntu... can you also add the xfce plugins from os-works?  and mousepad and xterminal?
[04:35] <LeeJunFan> alle: worth a shot.
[04:36] <alle> LeeJunFan: And for now I think I'm just gonna put in the 3D graphics card they want. That's something I know how to do :-)
[04:36] <alle> Thanks for your help though!
[04:36] <alle> See you later
[04:37] <covert> Any able to help me with version info ?
[04:38] <thoreauputic> version info??
[04:38] <Xeon3D> erm... what line should I add to fstab so that any "normal" user can mount and use /dev/hdb1?
[04:38] <covert> trying to work out if the version on my laptop is 4.1 or a different version of ubuntu
[04:38] <geppy> Xeon3D: User?  Compare it to your CD-ROM lines.
[04:39] <thoreauputic> covert: cat /etc/issue
[04:40] <covert> thoreauputic thanks. Yeah it is 4.1 :)
[04:40] <Sander-> can someone tell me how I setup an ubuntu mirror? I'm kinda new to rsync
[04:40] <thoreauputic> covert: no worries :)
[04:42] <krism> BUS="scsi", SYSFS{vendor}="IC25N060", SYSFS{model}="ATMR04-0", NAME="sdg"
[04:42] <krism> in udev.rules :)
[04:42] <krism> dammit
[04:42] <LeeJunFan> Sander-: it'll take a lot of BW and about 50GB hd space.
[04:42] <Sander-> only the cd image
[04:42] <Sander-> 2gb
[04:43] <black_nightmare> if any of you feel like it....mind explain what these three are to me?
[04:43] <black_nightmare> CONFIG_QUOTA=y
[04:43] <black_nightmare> CONFIG_QUOTACTL=y
[04:43] <black_nightmare> CONFIG_DNOTIFY=y
[04:43] <xamdm_> UBabe, sorry hat a little crash
[04:45] <Bazzi> black_nightmare looks like some quota.
[04:46] <Xeon3D> geppy, thanks. I can now mount it and unmount it... but when I try and go ls /media/setup/ it gives me a permission denied error
[04:46] <black_nightmare> hrm.....guess I'll leave these in then....just to be safe I guess
[04:46] <black_nightmare> bazzi say do you have any idea what a 'zisofs' disc filesystem is?
[04:47] <kev0r> Is anyone here able to come online with gaim, mine seems to fail to connect
[04:47] <geppy> Xeon3D: I wouldn't know what to say, and I'm at school on a Windows machine, so I can't really play with it.
[04:47] <geppy> kev0r: I'm on Gaim.
[04:47] <Bazzi> black_nightmare ISO filesystem for CD/DVD
[04:47] <roo_> kev0r, msn is down
[04:47] <black_nightmare> bazzi..yeah but for what use?  I never heard of zisofs
[04:47] <thoreauputic> black_nightmare: I'd be guessing it's a compressed ISO feature
[04:47] <MaRk-I> wth!! I'm connected??
[04:47] <black_nightmare> just joliet and iso9660
[04:47] <Bazzi> black_nightmare to read CDs? :)
[04:47] <kev0r> oh poopie
[04:47] <roo_> kev0r, http://messenger.msn.com/Status.aspx
[04:47] <kev0r> i'm getting online with the webmessenger
[04:47] <black_nightmare> hmm ok..I hope its not a big thing then
[04:47] <kev0r> but no-go with gaim
[04:48] <roo_> MaRk-I, signon is down :p
[04:48] <kev0r> bah ><
[04:48] <Xeon3D> I'm going crazy here...
[04:48] <Xeon3D> I can mount and umount the /media/setup share... but as soon as I go ls /media/setup it gives me a permission denied error.
[04:49] <MaRk-I> roo_, couldn't connect to my router and installed my wireless trying to set it up and all of a sudden I can with eth0.... (hhmmm)
[04:49] <kev0r> i need my msn :(
[04:49] <Tomcat_> Xeon3D: What Filesystem on there?
[04:49] <Xeon3D> NTFS
[04:49] <Xeon3D> :P
[04:49] <thoreauputic> Xeon3D: what does ls -ld /media/setup   say?
[04:49] <Tomcat_> :P
[04:49] <Tomcat_> Xeon3D: Use -O uid=1000,gid=1000 then
[04:49] <Xeon3D> dr-x------- 1 root root
[04:49] <Tomcat_> Xeon3D: Or something similar for your user...
[04:50] <Tomcat_> Xeon3D: Not sure if it matters what the directory has, but the uid/gid setting for mount *always* matters.
[04:50] <Xeon3D> tomcat, please explain better... I'm a newb here.
[04:50] <roo_> MaRk-I, you probably enabled the dhcp client (dhclient3) without knowning which might have activated eth0? :/
[04:50] <thoreauputic> Xeon3D: that's accessible only to root
[04:50] <Tomcat_> Xeon3D: Give me your mount cmdline you're using
[04:50] <Xeon3D> tomcat,  I'm using fstab
[04:50] <Xeon3D> I edited it
[04:50] <Xeon3D> so I'm just using mount /media/setup
[04:50] <thoreauputic> Xeon3D: sudo chmod +r /media/setup
[04:50] <MaRk-I> roo_, I did dhclient like 40 times with eth0 and no luck
[04:51] <Xeon3D> I'm wondering which part of the fstab should I edit...
[04:51] <MaRk-I> now it wont find my wlan0 tho
[04:51] <Tomcat_> Xeon3D: Okay, then add uid=1000,gid=1000 under the options column in fstab... then try to remoun.
[04:51] <black_nightmare> hm..what is 'LUNS' now....
[04:51] <Xeon3D> tomcat,  do I keep the user,noauto ones?
[04:51] <MaRk-I> can I run both cards at the same time??? wlan0 and eth0
[04:52] <roo_> MaRk-I, of course
[04:52] <Tomcat_> Xeon3D: Yeah, just add the uid/gid after that... like user,noauto,uid=...
[04:52] <Xeon3D> yay
[04:52] <Xeon3D> Tomcat_, thanks it worked... but that was strange.. why can I browse my CD's, etc.. if they haven't got the same uid option?
[04:53] <Tomcat_> Xeon3D: Because it's NTFS... wait...
[04:54] <Tomcat_> Xeon3D: man mount says for ntfs: "By default, the files are owned by root and not readable by someone else"... that's probably a security measure.
[04:54] <Xeon3D> heh so it seems.
[04:54] <Xeon3D> thanks tomcat
[04:54] <effigy> im having problems mounting my ntfs drive, ive set the permissions for the mount directory to 777 (everyone do everything) and in my fstab i have "/dev/hda1 /media/win1 ntfs ro,user,noauto 0 0" i can mount fine when im root, but then in nautilus it wont let me in because of permissions
[04:54] <Xeon3D> I was really going nuts over here... seems that I have to change the partition to fat32...
[04:54] <Tomcat_> thoreauputic: I just checked on my laptop... doesn't matter if the mount point directory is readable by others than root.
[04:55] <effigy> can anyone tell me what im doing wrong?
[04:55] <Tuxicity> black_nightmare, BTW, there should be detailed info on each kernel module in "make menuconfig"
[04:55] <Tomcat_> effigy: Same problem as Xeon3D... add uid=1000,gid=1000 to the mount options.
[04:55] <Xeon3D> effigy : add uid=1000,gid=1000 on your /etc/fstab
[04:55] <effigy> cool, thanks
[04:55] <thoreauputic> Tomcat_: ah OK - thanks I'll remember that :)
[04:55] <Tomcat_> thoreauputic: Wasn't really sure either. :)
[04:56] <thoreauputic> Tomcat_: mine is 755 for some reason...
[04:56] <Xeon3D> man, I don't know why I didn't switch to linux before... :P
[04:56] <Tomcat_> thoreauputic: Yeah mine as well... that's default for new directories, right?
[04:56] <UBabe> this is confusing, is anyone here familiar with Java absed applications for Linux?
[04:56] <Xeon3D> using ubuntu on 2 machines now... and I don't miss windows a bit..
[04:56] <Tomcat_> Xeon3D: Because Ubuntu didn't exist. :o
[04:56] <thoreauputic> Tomcat_: yes, I think umask handles that
[04:56] <osity> so i intslled the open sshserver but still cant ssh in ...any idea why?
[04:56] <Xeon3D> heh
[04:56] <UBabe> typo: Java based applications for Linux?
[04:57] <Xeon3D> Tomcat_, if you could read portuguese... (my language) you should really try Kurumin...
[04:57] <Tomcat_> Xeon3D: The only user capable of reading the files is user 1000 (you) now though... you have to change the uid/gid values to make others access it.
[04:57] <Xeon3D> it's beats almost anything for functionality and easiness of use.
[04:57] <UBabe> Java anyone?
[04:57] <Tomcat_> Mh... maybe
[04:57] <Tomcat_> UBabe: I'm quite familiar with Java...
[04:57] <Xeon3D> Tomcat_, there should be no problem as I'm the only user with access to the machine.
[04:57] <prego> Is it possible that flash plugin crashes with Composite extension being enabled (but not necessary being used)?
[04:57] <UBabe> praise goodness! :)
[04:58] <Tomcat_> Xeon3D: If you aren't, find some group that you can put all users in (like group disk, or create a new one) and then edit the gid value.
[04:58] <maddler> HELP! any clue why xine only works if launched as root/sudo?
[04:58] <thoreauputic> maddler: are you in the video group?
[04:59] <roo_> UBabe, what are you looking for?
[04:59] <dashnu> maddler, because you do not have acces to video / audio ?
[04:59] <thoreauputic> type `groups` to see
[04:59] <mario__> groups
[04:59] <MaRk-I> wahahaha
[04:59] <maddler> dashnu: yes
[04:59] <mario__> groups
[04:59] <maddler> I'm in the video group
[04:59] <Xeon3D> Tomcat_, ... do you happen to know why the Desktop doesn't update automatically? I just created a dummy folder using the terminal, and it didn't show up yet.
[04:59] <osity> what else do i have to do other than the apt-get install openssh-server command?
[04:59] <maddler> maddler@gengiva:~$ groups
[04:59] <maddler> maddler adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin
[04:59] <thoreauputic> mario__: in a terminal, not in your client :)
[04:59] <dashnu> i work at a java shop Tomcat_ matter of fact i use you a lot ;)
[05:00] <Johannesen> hi :)
[05:00] <roo_> osity, you're STILL trying to run sshd??! :o
[05:00] <Tomcat_> dashnu: I'm admin of QuakeNet's #java and #java.de ... I get highlighted every day. :P
[05:00] <wfx> hi
[05:00] <osity> i just built a new box....it runs great on new stuff :0
[05:00] <osity> :)
[05:00] <Tomcat_> Xeon3D: No idea, sorry.
[05:00] <MaRk-I> Xeon3D, thanks thanks :P
[05:00] <dashnu> :D
[05:00] <effigy> has anyone managed to get gnomeboyadvance to work on hoary?
[05:00] <nydust> how is it to use ubuntu as an server?
[05:01] <Johannesen> is GimpShop available for ubuntu?
[05:01] <osity> roo: i've been going at this for a whilw cuz i do it over and over to learn
[05:01] <thoreauputic> maddler: output of   ls -l /usr/bin/xine  ?
[05:01] <MaRk-I> Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.437GHz  Access Point: 00:0F:66:3E:9B:FF
[05:01] <MaRk-I>           Bit Rate:125Mb/s   Tx-Power:25 dBm
[05:01] <MaRk-I> wahahahaha
[05:01] <osity> roo: is there something else I have to do after that first apt-get command?
[05:02] <maddler> thoreauputic: -rwsr-sr-x  1 root root 957096 Jan 19 08:12 /usr/bin/xine
[05:02] <maddler> I tried SUIDing
[05:02] <Johannesen> someone actually managed to put a decent interface on Gimp.. check http://plasticbugs.com/index.php?p=241 :)
[05:02] <thoreauputic> maddler: sudo chmod 755 /usr/bin/xine
[05:02] <black_nightmare> sorry was afk
[05:02] <dashnu> Tomcat_, do you have anything to do with Jake ?
[05:02] <MaRk-I> Tuxicity, was that you who asked me about doing the linksys wireless??
[05:03] <alexcrowley> Gimp with a decent interface!? Blasphemy!!
[05:03] <black_nightmare> tuxi..so you saying that if I do 'make menuconfig' I could customize a bit further and easier?
[05:03] <MaRk-I> or broadcom??
[05:03] <Johannesen> check it out alexcrowley :)
[05:03] <thoreauputic> maddler: you shouldn't have those s entries
[05:03] <Tuxicity> MaRk-I, nope dont think so, i am wired
[05:03] <maddler> thoreauputic: still the same... it keeps complaining about missing libdvdcss
[05:03] <thoreauputic> maddler: that's different
[05:03] <deFrysk> maddler, get the marillat repo
[05:03] <maddler> but it works fine if launched from root user
[05:03] <Tomcat_> dashnu: Doesn't ring a bell.
[05:03] <MaRk-I> Tuxicity, ohh sorry must've been another tux**
[05:03] <thoreauputic> maddler: you need the Marillat repopsitories for that
[05:03] <maddler> deFrysk: I have libdvdcss
[05:04] <deFrysk> oh srry
[05:04] <dashnu> ah, its the java quake kinda neat
[05:04] <black_nightmare> tuxi....? :p
[05:04] <Tuxicity> black_nightmare, yes. what method r u currently using?
[05:04] <thoreauputic> maddler: did you chmod it?
[05:04] <maddler> libdvdcss2 is already the newest version.
[05:04] <black_nightmare> tuxi..well I'm looking at the mac_defconfig file in gedit right now :p
[05:05] <osity> bob2 you here today?
[05:05] <maddler> thoreauputic: xine? yes... it is 755 now
[05:05] <black_nightmare> its the only file I'm actually working on right now..I'll have to figure starting on other files later on
[05:05] <thoreauputic> maddler: OK - what are th permissions on libdvdcss then?
[05:05] <Tuxicity> black_nightmare, hmm honestly never heard of these...
[05:06] <black_nightmare> tux...well... download 2.6.11.6 kernel then browse to arch>m68k>configs>
[05:06] <black_nightmare> and its there...and thats what I am editing right now
[05:06] <black_nightmare> :p
[05:06] <osity> is ssh the same as sftp?
[05:06] <maddler> 644 /usr/lib/libdvdcss.a
[05:07] <malte> what's up with gaim not displaying any icons?
[05:07] <maddler> 755 /usr/lib/libdvdcss.la
[05:07] <wfx> osity, no
[05:07] <malte> is there a fix to that?
[05:07] <scott> osity, no, sftp is more interative for file transfers
[05:07] <maddler> 644 /usr/lib/libdvdcss.so.2.0.7
[05:07] <wfx> #1 is a secure shell acces #2 is a secure ftp
[05:08] <thoreauputic> maddler: hmm... I don't know... will xine play ordinary files as a user? Non css ones?
[05:08] <prego> deFrysk, yes, mozilla plugin is not compatible with Composite. If i do export  XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 and then run mozilla from that terminal, the plugin works fine.
[05:08] <osity> scott: well i just installed ssh on ubuntu....on my winscp proggie i can choose:  scp, sftp(allow scp fallback) or sftp
[05:08] <maddler> thoreauputic: right
[05:09] <lewwy> quake1 for gba...
[05:09] <lewwy> now THATS crazy
[05:09] <thoreauputic> maddler: is that "yes, ordinary video files will play" ?
[05:09] <scott> how do I find out if hardware accel is working? I'm using the ati driver because I couldn't get fglrx to work, and using xcompmgr which runs a little laggy and I'm wondering if hardware accel is really working
[05:09] <thoreauputic> maddler: if so, free up permissions on dvdcss and try again
[05:09] <scott> osity, on winscp I usually just use scp
[05:10] <thoreauputic> maddler: like try 755
[05:10] <Tuxicity> scott: glxinfo | grep direct
[05:10] <wfx> where do i set the buffer for alsa aound
[05:11] <lewwy> this is so crazy...
[05:11] <lewwy> round the clock support
[05:11] <lewwy> i mean honestly
[05:11] <maddler> thor|coffee: noway
[05:11] <lewwy> how can we have a round the clock FREE usable tech support
[05:11] <scott> Tuxicity, no is bad?
[05:11] <black_nightmare> tuxi..so 'make menuconfig' would let me kinda figure a custom kernel?  or did I guess wrong
[05:12] <scott> Tuxicity, it says it's going through Mesa
[05:12] <Tuxicity> scott, no means no HW accel :(
[05:12] <scott> Tuxicity, are you using fglrx?
[05:12] <effigy> black, yes that will allow you to configure your kernel options
[05:13] <Tuxicity> scott, ya fglrx on Warty
[05:13] <black_nightmare> hmm....where to find menuconfig
[05:13] <scott> Tuxicity, how do I go about debuggin why it won't work? I have ati mobility 7500
[05:13] <Tuxicity> black_nightmare, make menuconfig OR xconfig(not sure about this one) is the only way I know for makin a kernel :)
[05:13] <prego> osity, between linux boxes I like doing rsync -e ssh auvz path1/ machine:path/path1/
[05:14] <black_nightmare> effigy...I have the whole linux 2.6.11.6 kernel source downloaded here btw
[05:14] <wfx> black_nightmare, cd to /etc/src/linux
[05:14] <black_nightmare> wfx..hm there's no /etc/ in this folder...
[05:14] <wfx> black_nightmare, im sorry /usr/src/linux
[05:14] <Tuxicity> black_nightmare, www.ubuntu.com/wiki/kernelhowto
[05:15] <black_nightmare> there's only three files in /usr/ nothing else
[05:15] <black_nightmare> tuxi..I said this is the linux kernel source --- jeeze lol
[05:15] <wfx> you dont have src dir
[05:15] <scott> "sudo depmod -a ; sudo modprobe fglrx" gives me FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko): No such device
[05:16] <Tuxicity> scott, did you follow instructions on Wiki?
[05:16] <scott> yeah
[05:16] <wfx> black_nightmare, do you download youre one kernel?
[05:16] <scott> Tuxicity, all it says is install the package, echo it to modules, and then run that command
[05:16] <black_nightmare> wfx.... yeah, 2.6.11.6 kernel source -- where else? :)
[05:17] <black_nightmare> beside I want to make the kernel for a m68k so I had to download the whole source for that reason anyhow
[05:18] <Tuxicity> scott, Warty/Hoary?
[05:19] <scott> hoarty
[05:19] <hone> I upgraded to hoary RC and it won't install x
[05:19] <hone> dependency issues w/ xorg-common and xfree86-common
[05:20] <wfx> black_nightmare, hmm the wiki say all ;-)
[05:20] <apokryphos> hone: that's fine. Remove the xfree
[05:21] <apokryphos> hone: Xorg is default in Hoary.
[05:21] <effigy> black, if menuconfig dosnt work for some reason you could try 'make config' and go through all the prompts
[05:22] <PacoBCN> just wondering how many residual packages you have when migrating from warty to hoary...
[05:22] <effigy> i think
[05:22] <apokryphos> PacoBCN: the upgrade is around 500 megs
[05:22] <dabugas> hi
[05:23] <Tuxicity> scott, make sure you have "linux-restricted-modules" installed (it must match the version of the running kernel)
[05:23] <black_nightmare> hrm 'make config' is trying to use a 686
[05:23] <PacoBCN> apokryphos, it makes sense to save all your home directory somewhere and reinstall it, as I did
[05:23] <black_nightmare> I do NOT want that :|
[05:23] <black_nightmare> how do I make it select a m68k platform?
[05:23] <apokryphos> PacoBCN: No, not really.
[05:23] <PacoBCN> apokryphos, really? I find it much clearer
[05:24] <apokryphos> PacoBCN: it saves some stuff; but essentially, there's no need to go through the whole installation process again
[05:24] <wfx> black_nightmare, change the cpu type via menuconfig
[05:24] <Tuxicity> dabugas, hi
[05:24] <apokryphos> PacoBCN: this way is certainly much quicker
[05:24] <dabugas> how does gnome determine which file systems are mounted or not?
[05:25] <osity> scott: what is scp?
[05:25] <black_nightmare> wffx.. menuconfig seem to error out so I changed to 'config' which somehow progresses fine
[05:25] <PacoBCN> I remember I first upgraded it and I had many problems
[05:25] <osity> scott: i thought by using winscp i was using ssh
[05:25] <black_nightmare> or should I rather try get menuconfig running?
[05:25] <PacoBCN> then I reinstalled it and no problems at all
[05:25] <Tuxicity> dabugas, are you refering to /etc/fstab ?
[05:25] <theine> hey, great new gdm login screen...
[05:25] <apokryphos> PacoBCN: stable -> stable apt upgrade is fully supported
[05:25] <thoreauputic> dabugas: not really a gnome function: fstab and mtab
[05:25] <apokryphos> PacoBCN: in theory, you shouldn't have any problems (I didn't).
[05:26] <PacoBCN> I'm always the exception to everything :)
[05:26] <PacoBCN> the story of my life
[05:26] <wfx> black_nightmare, vim .config and go to line ~63
[05:26] <osity> isnt wincsp an ssh client?
[05:26] <scott> Tuxicity, it's installed
[05:26] <dabugas> thoreauputic: well, in my upgrade from warty to hoary my windows drive disappeared from gnome menus. it's still in fstab and i can still access it with a console but not, for example, with abiword
[05:26] <Lena14> anyone know if there is an EASY floppy-install to ubuntu ??
[05:27] <Johannesen> osity, I believe it is
[05:27] <thoreauputic> dabugas: is the auto flag set in fstab?
[05:27] <dabugas> thoreauputic: no, should it?
[05:27] <osity> i get a network error when i try to scp in
[05:27] <Johannesen> osity, it uses SFTP
[05:27] <black_nightmare> how do you quit vim anyhow?
[05:28] <thoreauputic> dabugas: no, it isn't here :)
[05:28] <robos> black_nightmare,  Esc : wq
[05:28] <Tuxicity> black_nightmare, i think type colon followed by q
[05:28] <wfx> black_nightmare, i think you must select: CONFIG_X86_PC=n, CONFIG_M386=n, CONFIG_MK6 =y, CONFIG_X86_*=n
[05:28] <Tuxicity> robos, oh
[05:28] <dabugas> thoreauputic: this my relative fstab line --> /dev/hda1       /media/windows    vfat    umask=000       0       0
[05:29] <osity> is putty secure?
[05:29] <robos> osity, yes
[05:29] <effigy> wq saves, if you dont want to save do esc-q!
[05:29] <thoreauputic> dabugas: is your win filesystem fat32 or ntfs? ( sounds obvious I know)
[05:29] <wfx> black_nightmare, do you compile it on a sparc or pc system?
[05:29] <Lena14> osity, depends on what u do with it... ssh is secure.. but telnet is not so very secure..
[05:29] <osity> robos: how does putty get in? what technology
[05:29] <dabugas> thoreauputic: fat32
[05:29] <black_nightmare> where is the '.config' file ?? *sigh*
[05:29] <thoreauputic> dabugas: OK
[05:30] <black_nightmare> when I try start vim it appears as empty file
[05:30] <black_nightmare> I'm compiling it on pc
[05:30] <osity> it seems that putty is like telnet
[05:30] <robos> black_nightmare,  /boot/config-bla bla
[05:30] <wfx> black_nightmare, do you run a sparc?
[05:30] <dabugas> thoreauputic: my question is: what could change from warty to hoary that made such a difference?
[05:30] <black_nightmare> compile on pc....for a m68k laptop
[05:30] <robos> black_nightmare, copy that to .config
[05:30] <black_nightmare> go figure on that
[05:30] <effigy> putty can do telnet, ssh, ssh2 i think
[05:30] <black_nightmare> where is .config first?? lol
[05:30] <thoreauputic> dabugas: frank answer- I haven't the foggiest idea
[05:31] <robos> black_nightmare, do you really wanna do this if you have these sort of questions?
[05:31] <osity> so why cant i login to my ubuntu box with eith of winscp or putty?
[05:31] <thoreauputic> dabugas: I just thought I'd ask the obvious question...
[05:31] <Johannesen> black_nightmare, :x
[05:31] <robos> osity, do you have manual access to the machine? I.e. can you check if sshd is running?
[05:31] <bmoi> hi all. anybody know how i can get the totem-mozilla plugin to play mp3s in the browser?
[05:31] <black_nightmare> robos...jeeze is it my fault I'm not having much difficult figuring out 'mac_deconfig' but anything else doesn't even seem to be there?
[05:31] <dabugas> thoreauputic: k, thanks :)
[05:31] <osity> robo: yes
[05:32] <black_nightmare> there's no /etc/ in the kernel folder etc etc
[05:32] <osity> robos: good idea ...how do i check
[05:32] <robos> osity, try this: /etc/init.d/sshd restart
[05:32] <Tuxicity> black_nightmare, there might not be a .config if u never used menuconfig before
[05:32] <black_nightmare> tuxi..hmm..let me run menuconfig and paste its error here...
[05:33] <robos> black_nightmare, okay, I didn't quite get what you are doing, but under /boot/ lie the config files of the installed kernels
[05:33] <wfx> black_nightmare, no etc inside kernel source is ok and dont forget the first slash means root
[05:33] <black_nightmare> ">> Unable to find the Ncurses libraries." thats what makeconfig says
[05:33] <black_nightmare> wfx..yeah I already know that one...ty anyhow ;)
[05:34] <effigy> install ncurses library
[05:34] <black_nightmare>  '/' is like the highest directory you can go to ;)
[05:34] <osity> robos: the sshd is not in there....
[05:34] <robos> black_nightmare, go install synaptic and search for ncurses
[05:34] <osity> does that mean its not installed....
[05:34] <robos> osity, then you need to install it :)
[05:34] <robos> osity, in synaptic, search ssh
[05:34] <effigy> apt-get install sshd
[05:34] <osity> robos: i thought i did.. :
[05:34] <osity> i'll try again
[05:34] <robos> osity, oh well
[05:35] <dockane> i wrote bashscript that connects me to my dialup provider, how do i make a desktop icon for it ? the script works from terminal but a "starter" with the path to the script as command entry does not work
[05:35] <osity> robos: i thought it was apt-get install openssh-server?
[05:35] <markuman> how can i found out the ip adresse whicht ubuntu give me for network?
[05:35] <black_nightmare> ok apt-get is installing libncurses5-dev
[05:35] <dockane> murkuman : terminal -> ifconfig
[05:35] <robos> osity, sounds right, but look again in synaptic if it is really installed.
[05:35] <wfx> black_nightmare, i bet you got an error like this. "Unable to find the Ncurses libraries." and some lines under " You must install ncurses-devel in order..."
[05:36] <thoreauputic> effigy: actually it's just "ssh" for the package in debian/ubuntu
[05:36] <Tuxicity> markuman, ifconfig
[05:36] <markuman>  ipconfig
[05:36] <markuman> bash: ipconfig: command not found
[05:36] <effigy> oops
[05:36] <maddler> thoreauputic: solved... I had to recompile libdvdcss
[05:36] <Tuxicity> markuman, no --> ifconfig
[05:36] <thoreauputic> markuman: ifconfig
[05:36] <robos> markuman,  ifconfig
[05:36] <thoreauputic> maddler: ah - OK :)
[05:36] <osity> robos: so whats the diff between my commnad and yours?
[05:36] <markuman> whooopps :-D
[05:36] <prego> markuman, /sbin/ifconfig
[05:37] <markuman> thx
[05:37] <robos> osity, well, ssh is a meta package for openssh-server, so that you can find it more easy
[05:37] <thoreauputic> markuman: how's your windows hangover ? heheh
[05:37] <black_nightmare> ughh I thought my hd would fly apart once again....but anyhow now I got 'linux kernel configuration' gui running
[05:37] <Tuxicity> markuman, stands for InterFaceConfig
[05:37] <black_nightmare> sometimes I bloody wonder about my pc
[05:37] <markuman> ok
[05:37] <black_nightmare> the hd often grinding quite a lot thanks to linux's heavy useage on it
, i've no more windows :-D
[05:38] <dockane> btw what is the ng interface ubuntu starts ?
[05:38] <Johannesen> what was the line if I wanted ssh to create a socks tunnel? something like ssh -D1080 servername ?
[05:38] <thoreauputic> markuman: :)
[05:38] <black_nightmare> 'select only drivers expected to compile cleanly' would be the best option I already take it?
[05:39] <osity> robos: it said it cant find the sshd package with your command...
[05:39] <robos> osity, I didn't say to use apt-get, I said take a look in synaptic, that tells you what to use
[05:40] <robos> Johannesen, take a look at the man-page of ssh, there are examples at the end
[05:40] <alle> Back
[05:40] <Dalkus> OOo2 released tomorow
[05:41] <alle> Now we have 3D acceleration and the family's kid is happy :)
[05:41] <thoreauputic> osity: the package is just called ssh
[05:41] <robos> Dalkus, grr, installed the beta yesterday ... ;-)
[05:41] <Tuxicity> alle, kewl
[05:41] <thoreauputic> osity: for server+ client
[05:41] <Dalkus> robos, me too :)
[05:41] <Dalkus> robos, I guess it won't be in the ubuntu repository for a while..?
[05:42] <robos> dunno, I think they wait at least a week, would make sense
[05:42] <Johannesen> robos, thanks.. Managed to get it to work
[05:42] <osity> thoreauputic: what are trying to say?
[05:42] <robos> osity, if you want to use apt, try apt-cache search ssh
[05:43] <dockane> i read in the ubuntu faq that sudo reduces the time somebody works with root and has got other advantages. but how can it be and advantage that if i leave my workplace for a moment with an open terminal where i "sudid" a command the terminal no more asks for any password i.e. for "rm -r /*" ?
[05:43] <thoreauputic> osity: to install ssh and sshd, do sudo apt-get ssh
[05:43] <thoreauputic> sorry apt-get install ssh
[05:43] <markuman> gtk-gnutella does not connect? i've 0.93.3 stable
[05:43] <alle> Does somebody have an idea how you get FlightGear to use OpenGL? Every game uses it except FlightGear...
[05:43] <apokryphos> dockane: you can close the session
[05:44] <black_nightmare> ughh I dunno if its just  me but the gui seem stuck to ONLY x86 hardwares
[05:44] <apokryphos> dockane: that means it'll ask for a password the next time you go on
[05:44] <prego> dockane, AFAIK, sudo privileges are canceled some time before...
[05:44] <black_nightmare> guess I'll go back to manually editing text files for a 68k kernel unless I'm missing something
[05:44] <wfx> does anyone of you know a way to convert png(b&w) to vrml?
[05:44] <dabugas> i'm offfff
[05:45] <robos> wfx, try looking in freshmeat.net for vrml
[05:45] <prego> dockane, furthermore, you should place sudo prior to that "rm ..." in order to make it effective, nevertheless
[05:45] <robos> wfx, I don't think that imagemagick can do it
[05:45] <black_nightmare> do I have to use a 68k computer to compile a 68k kernel or what...anyone? lol
[05:45] <Tuxicity> markuman, try version 0.95 (work for me) OR install Limewire (see ubuntuguide.org)
[05:46] <prego> dockane, which is more likely not to happen as compared to forgetting you are root... sudo enforces you to place sudo each time a root action is to be requested
[05:46] <wfx> robos, need a way to use a bitmap as 3d object in blender
[05:46] <robos> black_nightmare, why do you try to compile an kernel for 68k anyway? Why not use a debian kernel?
[05:46] <black_nightmare> robos....can it work for a 68030 @ 25mhz with just 4mb of ram?
[05:46] <robos> wfx, bitmap <--> 3d? Sounds strange
[05:47] <black_nightmare> hmm say..not sure if that was 4mb or 8mb..will need check the ram card in it
[05:47] <robos> black_nightmare, I think you are better of with some debian kernel than trying to trim a kernel down yourself
[05:47] <thoreauputic> black_nightmare: I think 4Mb would be impossible 8 perhaps...
[05:47] <wfx> robos, yes but it isnt i have some images as texture that i want to map to a object with the same geometrie
[05:48] <[nrx] > geometry :)
[05:48] <black_nightmare> thore....well system 7.0 already does with just 1MB of ram and thats with a gui already being there
[05:48] <Tuxicity> markuman, u can get gtk-gnutella 0.95 .DEB package from www.sf.net
[05:48] <black_nightmare> so why is it seeming impossible to just get a kernel alone on the similar machine?
[05:48] <robos> wfx, well, I don't know blender but I know a little opengl and there you simply need bitmaps with factor of 2 geometry
[05:48] <stianh> Hello
[05:49] <Tuxicity> robos, not in recent opengl 2.0 i think
 , yes, i have donwload it from there yet and it works. thx!!!
[05:49] <stianh> Something wacky happened to my bootloader. So now I am using the ubuntu live cd, and I want to reinstall the old bootloaderconfig
[05:49] <black_nightmare> hm reminds me of the time of trying minix for a short time but it was erroring too much I quit using it (might be with trying to run it on top of a ppc processor in emulator mode)
[05:49] <stianh> can anyone hlp_
[05:49] <robos> black_nightmare,  well, your system 7 was tuned to the machine, linux is general purpose.
[05:49] <Tuxicity> markuman, ur welcome!
[05:49] <wfx> robos, i dont know opengl ;) but i want to convert this http://teg.sourceforge.net/data/screenshot/teg_connect_meta.jpg for a teg client in 3d
[05:49] <robos> Tuxicity, yes, but should I write a book just to say a small info :)
[05:49] <thoreauputic> black_nightmare: AFAIK even linux 0.1 needed more than that in RAM, but that's just from reading about it...
[05:50] <[nrx] > stianh, you can boot from the live cd, pass the "root=/dev/hda1 (orwhatever yours is) and edit your grub.conf there
[05:50] <dockane> apokryphos, i testet it : opened a terminal, tried apt-get update-> permission deniend, then tried sudo apt-get update-> have to enter password. closed the terminal. opened a new terminal. sudo apt-get update -> no question to enter password.
[05:50] <Tuxicity> robos, :)
[05:50] <maddler> thoreauputic: btw.. looks like there is smtg wrong with libdvdcss 1.2.8
[05:50] <maddler> 1.2.5 works fine...
[05:50] <wfx> robos, does this mean i dont need to make some object that fit to the textures?
[05:51] <robos> and I think no driver up to now really has opengl 2 functionality
[05:51] <thoreauputic> maddler: hmmm... I guess Marillat is the guy to consult on libdvdcss
[05:51] <mrdibbler> Hello
[05:51] <dockane> prego, of course i see the userfriendlyness of this but to me the whole sudo thing behave's a bit strange as i mentioned above
[05:51] <osity> thoreauputic: the install ssh worked.....:)  bu i dont have internet connection
[05:51] <[nrx] > bye
[05:51] <maddler> thoreauputic: I bet
[05:51] <robos> dockane, it remembers password for some time, like 2 minutes or so
[05:51] <stianh> nrx: but how to I install grub correctly, the thing is that It might have been overwritten or messed with by another distro
[05:51] <black_nightmare> thore...so mind explaining why the 2.6.11.6 kernel source has a m68k arch folder in it?  (and even mac_deconfig has the option for a 68020 processor...thats like only 1-8MB of ram)
[05:51] <osity> thoreauputic: how do i check if the nic is installed?
[05:51] <black_nightmare> so there *must* be a kernel for a low-ram arch already
[05:51] <osity> on my previous system it just picked it up....
[05:52] <[nrx] > stianh, when you load up from /dev/hda1 just "apt-get install grub"
[05:52] <mrdibbler> hi can anyone help with gnome cd recorder not working in Hoary please?
[05:52] <thoreauputic> osity: lspci, lsmod
[05:52] <[nrx] > or dpkg -r grub
[05:52] <[nrx] > then apt-get install grub
[05:52] <[nrx] > i gotta go
[05:52] <[nrx] > soryr
[05:52] <stianh> nrx> ok thanks, I will give that a try
[05:52] <dockane> robos, even if the terminal is closed and a new one is opened ? where do change this ?
[05:52] <dockane> *i
[05:52] <black_nightmare> maybe I'll just see if I can find a free/cheap ppc powerbook instead and leave this 68k to running mac terminals
[05:52] <emrys_> Hi there!
[05:52] <prego> dockane, I've liked it from the second day I used it. It is clean, sweet and forces you to make sure you are going to lanuch a root action... Now I see using root account as a bad practice...
[05:52] <mrdibbler> He emrys
[05:52] <v3n0m> hey all can someone tell me how to burn the ISO.ab image of SUSE onto a dvd with nero 6 on windows!?
[05:53] <robos> dockane, dunno ...
[05:53] <mrdibbler> sorry i meant hi!
[05:53] <|QuaD-> v3n0m: /join #suse
[05:53] <prego> wfx, that is a Risk like game, isn't it?
[05:53] <emrys_> This is a good place to ask for help?
[05:53] <apokryphos> dockane: that should NOT be happening. Doesn't happen here
[05:53] <wfx> prego, yes why only develop very slow ;-)
[05:53] <robos> emrys_, yes
[05:54] <wfx> we not why
[05:54] <apokryphos> dockane: what terminal are you using?
[05:54] <wfx> ;)
[05:54] <apokryphos> dockane: Aha. I see it does indeed happen with the Gnome terminal
[05:54] <prego> wfx, is it GTK-1?
[05:55] <wfx> gtk2
[05:55] <dockane> apokryphos, you cannot reconstruct this apt-get thing ? i use the gnome terminal
[05:55] <emrys_> I'm in deep trouble with Kubuntu... There is no control panel, Konkeror does not work for watching folders... I can't acces any configuration window...
[05:55] <robos> wfx, IIRC there was some howto on the blender page where they taught you such stuff. Did you look at that already?
[05:55] <airox> Hi.
[05:55] <apokryphos> (dockane: I normally use konsole). Hmm, that shouldn't really be happening; likely it has a process running even when it's closed
[05:55] <prego> wfx, ;-)) nice job. is it avilable at repositories?
[05:55] <wfx> it si :) and thx
[05:55] <wfx> is
[05:56] <wfx> robos, nop i take a look
[05:56] <dockane> apokryphos, so is it a bug or a feature ?
[05:56] <robos> wfx, it wasn't _that_ good but better n nothing :)
[05:56] <apokryphos> dockane: I think that's probably worth reporting, yes.
[05:57] <meatmanek> does Ubuntu use the apt package system?
[05:57] <apokryphos> meatmanek: yes
[05:57] <dockane> apokryphos, where may i report this ?
[05:57] <apokryphos> dockane: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[05:57] <meatmanek> apokryphos, thx.
[05:57] <robos> meatmanek, yes
[05:57] <wfx> prego, im stil work on this http://teg.sourceforge.net/data/groups/developer/wfx/sentimental2.png (give me some month and i have it finished:-)
[05:57] <snowblink> Can anyone confirm the ruby version which will come with Hoary?
[05:57] <robos> meatmanek, try synaptic, thats a nice frontend
[05:57] <apokryphos> meatmanek: www.ubuntulinux.org will likely answer most of the questions you'll have
[05:57] <wfx> robos, thx a lot. i go to read something i found
[05:58] <Johannesen> 1.8
[05:58] <scott> I installed gdesklets, and ran it (which starts the daemon) but how do I get the desklets to appear ?
[05:58] <meatmanek> apokryphos, k
[05:58] <Johannesen> snowblink, why
[05:58] <meatmanek> apokryphos, I'm having a very very slight inkling that I might switch to ubuntu sometime
[05:58] <robos> wfx, your welcome
[05:58] <osity> thoreauputic: i got a list of stuff... not sure what to check ...can i check in in gui?
[05:59] <apokryphos> meatmanek: what are you currently on?
[05:59] <snowblink> Johannesen, 1.8.2?
[05:59] <meatmanek> apokryphos, gentoo
[05:59] <drspin> This should be included in Hoary ------> http://codemills.com/blog/?p=4
[05:59] <drspin> LOL
[05:59] <drspin> j/k
[05:59] <Johannesen> snowblink, 1.8.2pre4-1
[05:59] <meatmanek> apokryphos, the only problem I'm having right now with gentoo is that I partitioned my / partition too small.
[05:59] <snowblink> Johannesen, I'm going to install a Rails server with the new Hoary release
[05:59] <effigy> i agree, gimps interface sucks
[06:00] <emrys_> Please... someone can help me??
[06:00] <Johannesen> snowblink, ah i see
[06:00] <apokryphos> meatmanek: I've only used Gentoo briefly, but Ubuntu is a good distro to go with.
[06:00] <adobbie> Gentoo sucks
[06:00] <drspin> Gimp's interface is quite intuitive... if you're not a Photoshop user... then it sucks
[06:00] <drspin> which I am...
[06:00] <effigy> im a gentoo to ubuntu convert, i wouldnt go back
[06:00] <meatmanek> I don't want to start a distro war
[06:00] <meatmanek> sorry 'bout that.
[06:00] <apokryphos> meatmanek: pacey, huge repositories, debian-backbone, sound philosophy etc.
[06:00] <Johannesen> gentoo is like always in beta mode :D
[06:01] <adobbie> meatmanek: I say that in Gentoo channels all the time
[06:01] <robos> drspin, take a look at slashdot.org, front page, a little down
[06:01] <apokryphos> meatmanek: Heh, don't worry about it. :)
[06:01] <apokryphos> meatmanek: how big is your /?
[06:01] <drspin> robos: that's how I found it ;)
[06:01] <robos> emrys_,  go ahead, ask your question
[06:01] <meatmanek> apokryphos, 1.9 gigs
[06:01] <meatmanek> apokryphos, the main problem is I didn't create a separate partition for /var
[06:01] <airox> drspin: That gimpshop seems _very_ nice :)
[06:01] <apokryphos> meatmanek: Yeouch. Definitely too small.
[06:01] <meatmanek> so /var/tmp is on there
[06:02] <meatmanek> as is /tmp
[06:02] <drspin> anyone wanna assist with an fstab issue?
[06:02] <emrys_> Ok, thank u
[06:02] <drspin> airox: indeed it does -- I think I'm going to see if I can't get it compiled today...
[06:02] <adobbie> drspin: man fstab
[06:02] <black_nightmare> thore....just for a quick fyi... look at this excerpt http://pastebin.ca/8601 then look at this particular 68k mac http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_lc/stats/mac_lc.html
[06:02] <apokryphos> meatmanek: I normally stick with just the / and /home (and SWAP).
[06:02] <drspin> adobbie: not that kind of issue...
[06:02] <black_nightmare> thats very small standard ram it comes with (the LC)
[06:02] <meatmanek> apokryphos, yeah. This partition scheme is back from when I used mandrake, I was just too lazy to repartition it.
[06:02] <meatmanek> well
[06:02] <emrys_> I Installed Kubuntu in a AMD64 system. I installed it from Ubuntu. But there is no control panel, Konkeror does not work for watching folders... I can't acces any configuration window..
[06:02] <meatmanek> back up everything in /home
[06:02] <meatmanek> and repartition
[06:02] <apokryphos> meatmanek: it's really worth repartitioning. :)
[06:02] <robos> drspin, go ahead
[06:03] <apokryphos> Yeah.
[06:03] <airox> drspin, go ahead
[06:03] <meatmanek> apokryphos, yeah, hehee.
[06:03] <airox> :)
[06:03] <nydust> what is best web dev app aka golive ect?
[06:03] <drspin> # /dev/hda7	/mnt/music	auto	defaults,umask=0	0	0
[06:03] <drspin> nydust: nvu
[06:03] <apokryphos> emrys_: those are #kubuntu issues; probably have more luck in there.
[06:03] <meatmanek> apokryphos, the good thing is that I will have a 160G hard drive as well as my 80G in here soon
[06:03] <apokryphos> meatmanek: Sweet
[06:03] <drspin> I get invalid type -- even when I change auto to ext2
[06:03] <emrys_> ooops sorry
[06:03] <emrys_> thanks
[06:04] <robos> emrys_, did you try logging in as root to see if it works then?
[06:04] <meatmanek> apokryphos, so I think I might partition the 80G as / and /home, and mount the 160G as /home/meatmanek
[06:04] <airox> :)
[06:04] <apokryphos> robos: please don't tell memebers to login into GUI root. :)
[06:04] <airox> hahaha
[06:04] <apokryphos> meatmanek: Heh. Do you plan on having other users there?
[06:04] <emrys_> logging as root???
[06:04] <Quinn_Storm> meatmanek: what in the world do you need with that kind of hd space? just curious, b/c I'm having trouble figuring out how I'll ever fill my 80 even with 3 os's installed on it
[06:05] <robos> apokryphos, if it doesn't work as normal user, what should he do? if it works as root then permissions are borked
[06:05] <black_nightmare> anyhow I'm going off now...and if I still can't get the pc to make a 68k kernel at all then I'll just have to see if an old mac os can even compile a kernel at all for its own hardware
[06:05] <black_nightmare> bye
[06:05] <emrys_> I thought there is no root in kubuntu
[06:05] <apokryphos> emrys_: better not ;-)
[06:05] <airox> Quinn_Storm: It's called pr0n ;)
[06:05] <apokryphos> emrys_: there isn't.
[06:05] <meatmanek> Quinn_Storm, I dunno, /dev/hda7              68G   53G   15G  78% /home
[06:05] <Johannesen> drspin, why umask 000?
[06:05] <falkar> sony designed a new attery pack for psp : http://tinyurl.com/4jrmf
[06:05] <meatmanek> and no, actually, I don't have any pr0n on there
[06:05] <apokryphos> robos: he should, of course, create a new one
[06:05] <airox> hehe
[06:05] <apokryphos> robos: you should never be logging into GUI root
[06:05] <Quinn_Storm> meatmanek: wow
[06:05] <meatmanek> I could clean quite a bit of that out.
[06:05] <apokryphos> robos: well, or root altogether for that matter, generally.
[06:06] <airox> you should never login as root even :)
[06:06] <meatmanek> but I already have the hard drive
[06:06] <robos> you shouldn't browse around the net as root,
[06:06] <emrys_> anyway, I execute konkeror with sudo but it is unusable
[06:06] <meatmanek> it's just a matter of backing up the old stuff
[06:06] <robos> but in case where permissions might be the problem, you might as well try and see if it works for root
[06:06] <apokryphos> meatmanek: yeah
[06:06] <Quinn_Storm> meatmanek: its easy to back it up with cp to the other hd
[06:07] <meatmanek> Quinn_Storm, I mean the stuff on the 160G.
[06:07] <Quinn_Storm> meatmanek: ahhh, ok
[06:07] <robos> apokryphos,  but in case where permissions might be the problem, you might as well try and see if it works for root
[06:07] <apokryphos> robos: No, you really shouldn't. This should be in the FAQ or something somewhere...
[06:07] <robos> apokryphos, i didn't tell him to always login to root
[06:08] <meatmanek> Quinn_Storm, the fun part about that is it's from a Mac, and so formatted HFS+
[06:08] <abelli> hi ppl ... if i try to right click -> proprieties on a mp3, nautilus gets restarted, is this something known?
[06:08] <apokryphos> robos: I know, but you shouldn't tell him to at all. Ubuntu uses sudo, and there's no graphical root for a reason. =)
[06:08] <Quinn_Storm> meatmanek: heh, well I think linux can handle reading that
[06:08] <thoreauputic_> isn't logging into gnome from gdm as root disabled by defaukt?
[06:08] <thoreauputic_> *default
[06:08] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: tis
[06:08] <airox> thoreauputic: yes.
[06:08] <robos> apokryphos, I come from a strong debian background :)
[06:08] <meatmanek> Quinn_Storm, kind of... I'll have to set up netatalk in order to transfer the Resource fork
[06:08] <thoreauputic_> that's what I thought (hoped ) :)
[06:09] <apokryphos> robos: Heh. Ah, on the road to a full conversion. ;-)
[06:09] <emrys_> Anyway, sudo seems not to work, and the problem is wider
[06:09] <Quinn_Storm> meatmanek: ahh, yeah, stupid mac and their resource forks
[06:09] <robos> apokryphos, yes, converting other people :))
[06:09] <emrys_> I mean, I can't navigate through folders with konkeror!!!
[06:09] <drspin> Johannesen: as I understand it the umask=000 allows any user to RW to the drve...
[06:09] <Johannesen> no just root
[06:09] <apokryphos> hehe
[06:09] <robos> emrys_, try open a konsole and there, type this: ls -l /folders/that/you/want/to/see
[06:09] <meatmanek> Quinn_Storm, yeah, well, the Resource fork is kind of a good idea.
[06:10] <drspin> Johannesen: well it's working LOL
[06:10] <meatmanek> it's not much different than the .text section of a program
[06:10] <osity> thoreauputic: i got a list of stuff... not sure what to check ...can i check in in gui?
[06:10] <meatmanek> well, it kind of is.
[06:10] <meatmanek> but shh.
[06:11] <reagleBRKLN> hello everyone, has anyone gotten ubuntu  to work with a dimension 2400?
[06:11] <thoreauputic_> osity: device manager I guess
[06:11] <superted_> reagleBRKLN: is that a laptop?
[06:11] <robos> reagleBRKLN, whats the problem?
[06:11] <thoreauputic_> osity: what's wrong with ` less lspci` or `less lsmod` ?
[06:11] <drspin> Johannesen: what I want is something set so that all files copied to the drive are chgrp mygroup and chown me with RWXR-X-R-- perms
[06:12] <drspin> thoreauputic_: wouldn't it be lspci |less and lsmod|less
[06:12] <drspin> ??
[06:12] <robos> drspin, yes, you are right
[06:12] <thoreauputic_> drspin: oops - of course, yes
[06:13] <robos> drspin, but, less `lspci` should work :)
[06:13] <thoreauputic_> osity: drspin is right
[06:13] <Quinn_Storm> robos: nope, that'll have less looking for files called every line of lspci
[06:13] <osity> thoreauputic: I dont know what to look for.....
[06:13] <drspin> robos: cole@TheDesktop:~ $ less lspci
[06:13] <drspin> robos: lspci: No such file or directory
[06:13] <robos> Quinn_Storm, yes, my error :)
[06:14] <robos> drspin, sorry sorry :)
[06:14] <airox> drspin: lspci | less
[06:14] <robos> drspin, just wanted to toy
[06:14] <drspin> robos: no worries :)
[06:14] <thoreauputic_> osity: are you trying to see if the module/driver is loaded?
[06:15] <osity> thoreauputic: i want to get my internet working....it's not .....what do i check for?
[06:15] <Johannesen> drspin, isn't that something like uid=XXX,gid=XXX
[06:15] <Quinn_Storm> osity: start with ifconfig -a
[06:15] <osity> thoreauputic: my previous ubuntu box just worked...no configurtion....this is an onboard nic
[06:15] <robos> osity, what nic?
[06:16] <prego> wfx, wow 'teg' is a really must-have game :-))) very nice!
[06:16] <Quinn_Storm> teg? what's a teg?
[06:16] <wfx> prego, thx a lot but we have a lot todo
[06:16] <robos> osity, lspci | grep Ether
[06:16] <robos> paste that line
[06:17] <prego> wfx, It's been very funny to recall that Risk- days ...
[06:17] <prego> Quinn_Storm, apt-get install teg
[06:17] <drspin> is alien pretty reliable?
[06:17] <osity> thoreauputic: ok it must work cuz i can ping my lan
[06:17] <prego> Quinn_Storm, also, teg.sourceforge.net
[06:17] <damjan> Is there a plan for Ubuntu for SPARC64?
[06:17] <wfx> prego, want to play against me?
[06:18] <thoreauputic_> osity: can you ping, say google.com ?
[06:18] <osity> thoreauputic: but i cant ping outside...
[06:18] <prego> wfx, he, he, I'm not that good ;-P
[06:18] <osity> thoreauputic:cant ping google...
[06:18] <wfx> prego, its a game :-)
[06:18] <thoreauputic_> osity: can you ping IP numbers?
[06:19] <osity> thoreauputic:like what?
[06:19] <prego> wfx, I've been beaten so miserably by your robots.... Even Cameron Diaz has won over me!
[06:19] <Quinn_Storm> hey anyone wanna play teg?
[06:19] <reagleBRKLN> superted,robos: its a desktop. I suspect that X.org is not working with the i810/i845 internal graphic chipset
[06:19] <meatmanek> osity, try 64.233.167.147
[06:19] <robos> ping 216.239.57.99
[06:19] <prego> wfx, beaten
[06:19] <thoreauputic_> osity: try ping  216.239.39.99
[06:19] <libben> wtf, if i want to remove xchat... cause its bugging on my system, and reinstall it dident help.... it wants to remove alot of stuf ubuntu-desktop and fping and even more.
[06:19] <thoreauputic_> any of the above :D
[06:19] <reagleBRKLN> this seems to say that http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?s=19e13e09c7cd47ca35595e4ffe4b80de&searchid=444313
[06:20] <robos> reagleBRKLN, I have an i830 in the machine I'M typing on right now
[06:20] <dazed|> how come i can ping my nsf server 'Initial-Laptop' but i most certainly cannot mount it?
[06:20] <osity> thoreauputic:it says network is unreachable
[06:20] <dazed|> nsf* client*
[06:20] <dazed|> nfs*
[06:20] <reagleBRKLN> or rather, I've seen it said that previous versions of ubuntu worked but not ?something? 6
[06:20] <prego> wfx, have you evaluated the possibility of a svg map?
[06:21] <robos> dazed|, because ping and nfs are two __very__ different services
[06:21] <prego> wfx, perhaps via a theme?
[06:21] <thoreauputic_> osity: can you ping the router?
[06:21] <adobbie> dazed|: do you get an error?
[06:21] <dazed|> adobbie: yes
[06:21] <robos> reagleBRKLN, in the xorg.conf it should say "i810" in the driver line
[06:21] <dazed|> mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused
[06:22] <reagleBRKLN> if I want to use it as a live CD, is there any sense when it would do this automatically?
[06:22] <thoreauputic_> dazed|: check /etc/default/portmap
[06:22] <libben> should i update the things that the update-notifier points out?
[06:22] <libben> it says 316 updates
[06:23] <thoreauputic_> dazed|: comment out the line that says  ARGS="-i 127.0.0.1"
[06:23] <dazed|> thoreauputic_: i think it is my portmap cuz i check var/log/syslog and i got some portmap errors but let me check what u said
[06:23] <osity> thoreauputic:ya i can ping the router
[06:24] <thoreauputic_> dazed|: it's a crazy default that makes it only liisten on loopback
[06:24] <dazed|> thoreauputic_: ARGS="-i 127.0.0.1"
[06:24] <Xeon3D> libben: I did and I'm still here...
[06:24] <dazed|> thats all it gives me
[06:24] <thoreauputic_> dazed|: comment that line out
[06:24] <thoreauputic_> or delete it
[06:24] <wfx> prego, i like svg very mutch (http://wfx.deviantart.com/) but it is a lot work to make a worldmap that looks realy good.
[06:24] <dazed|> ohhh u want me to comment it out
[06:25] <thoreauputic_> dazed|: yup
[06:25] <robos> reagleBRKLN, what do you mean by your last line?
[06:25] <adobbie> # By default listen on all interfaces
[06:25] <adobbie> #OPTIONS="-i 127.0.0.1"
[06:25] <adobbie> that's what you get on Debian
[06:25] <dazed|> thoreauputic_: now will i have to restart kernal and portmap then see if i can mount?
[06:25] <Xeon3D> libben: and now I got 30 more packages to update
[06:25] <libben> =)
[06:26] <thoreauputic_> dazed|: yeah, restartportmap and nfs
[06:26] <Mithsir> Hi! How do I make my firefox show java applets? I use amd64
[06:26] <emrys_> join #kubuntu
[06:26] <wfx> prego, a serve is running on: 212.183.32.162:2002 :-) if you like im ready ;-)
[06:26] <reagleBRKLN> If I'm going to use it as a live CD, I would like it to boot properly, instead of having to go to a console, modify the configuration file, restart X, and then login to KDM or GDM
[06:26] <reagleBRKLN> I suppose, what bug should I tracked, either in ubuntu  or upstream won the hardware detection?
[06:26] <dazed|> thoreauputic_: lol still gettin that nasty 'connection refused' error :(
[06:27] <drspin> I can't get TEG to let me connect to any server...
[06:27] <thoreauputic_> dazed|: :(
[06:27] <libben> =) horay! one hour and 20 mins and counting =)
[06:27] <adobbie> dazed|: any firewall running at all?
[06:27] <Xeon3D> libben what speed u got?
[06:27] <dazed|> thoreauptic: join me in #paste theres something in my /var/log/syslog i want to show u real quick...adobbie: negative
[06:28] <drspin> *his
[06:28] <thoreauputic_> dazed|: /j #paste
[06:28] <libben> maxed speed  61 =)
[06:28] <thoreauputic_> ha
[06:29] <libben> I have cheap internet =) so i got lousy speed =) but its ok =) i can play and chat while its updating
[06:29] <osity> thoreauputic:  yes  i can ping the router any idea?
[06:29] <libben> any good gnome text-games? or courses ?
[06:29] <Xeon3D> why not X games?
[06:29] <libben> I had gtype earlier i think it was named that
[06:29] <libben> supertux is also fun =)
[06:30] <robos> libben, moon-buggy
[06:30] <libben> robos, fun ? =)
[06:30] <libben> hmm
[06:30] <robos> reagleBRKLN, I used knoppix on my machine and it worked okay
[06:30] <libben> i cant run synapt when updating the system?
[06:30] <robos> libben, yes, quite hard actually :)
[06:30] <PacoBCN> I don't know you but msn messenger takes ages to login
[06:30] <Johannesen> drspin, I think you then need umask 023 - I think I was wrong with regards to 000, that gives permission for everyone, I just learned
[06:30] <reagleBRKLN> yes, I installation is from a knoppix 3.6
[06:31] <Xeon3D> libben, nope.. because then there are 2 programs trying to access the package database..
[06:31] <Xeon3D> and only one can be doing that at a moment.
[06:31] <libben> damnit =)
[06:31] <reagleBRKLN> oh, btw: does ubuntu support losetup -e AES128?
[06:31] <robos> reagleBRKLN, you installed knoppix? I did that a while too but I don't recoomend any more since knoppix is too much of a mix of stable, testing, unstable, experimental...
[06:31] <robos> reagleBRKLN, see if there is a kernel module in the crypto dir
[06:32] <robos> modprobe -l | grep crypt
[06:32] <reagleBRKLN> robos, yes, that is why I am considering ubuntu
[06:32] <reagleBRKLN> robos, i can't do that since i'm not running ubuntu! :)
[06:32] <pumpoioplo> hi guys.. just wanna know what are the supported hardwares of ubuntu.. is there any website?
[06:33] <robos> reagleBRKLN,  uh, yes, you can
[06:33] <robos> knoppix also uses a debian kernel and that has modules too you know :)
[06:33] <meatmanek> ahh, good old knoppix.
[06:33] <robos> pumpoioplo, if you have a fast line, try the live cd
[06:33] <libben> hmm... who created moon-buggy? i wanna find the official site
[06:33] <saradiya_> i got a 3com wireless card
[06:33] <reagleBRKLN> ah, you are sure they use the same? for exaple, kanotix is based on knoppix and didn't support it
[06:33] <dryad> Hi - I was wondering if Firestarter is on the Ubuntu CD?
[06:33] <robos> try freshmeat.net
[06:33] <robos> libben, try freshmeat.net
[06:34] <saradiya_> ubuntu just isn't detecting it altho i have installed the atmel sources
[06:34] <saradiya_> can someone help me out ?
[06:34] <saradiya_> lvnet doesn't work
[06:34] <saradiya_> says that card is not there
[06:34] <robos> saradiya_,  lspci | grep Ether
[06:34] <robos> saradiya_, paste that line here
[06:34] <wfx> cu, and thx
[06:35] <robos> reagleBRKLN, try the modprobe line and see what it says :)
[06:35] <jjpmr52> hi everyone !!
[06:35] <robos> hi
[06:35] <libben> moon-buggy_0.5.1-2_i386.deb latest?
[06:35] <jjpmr52> i have a question for the panel
[06:35] <saradiya_> robos, 0000:02:00.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M [Tornado]  (rev 78)
[06:36] <robos> saradiya_,  modprobe 3c59x
[06:36] <jjpmr52> what about amavis ?
[06:36] <jjpmr52> is it a good thing to install ?
[06:36] <saradiya_> robos, done
[06:37] <libben> lol
[06:37] <libben> never gonna install that =)
[06:37] <robos> libben, http://freshmeat.net/projects/moon-buggy/
[06:37] <[nrx_] > playing avi's... is it possible?
[06:37] <robos> saradiya_, ifconfig eth0 up
[06:37] <libben> reminds me of my old AI bot i made that was challenged by other written AI war bots... cant remember what that program was called that runned the bots... was popular in the 90's
[06:37] <MaRk-I> anyone knows why my wlan0 ip changes???
[06:37] <saradiya_> robos, ah so i guess i have to unplug my network cable first
[06:38] <robos> saradiya_,
[06:38] <saradiya_> robos, what do i need to add to modules.conf for it load up automatically the next time ?
[06:38] <robos> saradiya_, no, don't need this
[06:38] <[nrx_] > MaRk-I, dhcp?
[06:38] <MaRk-I> [nrx_] , yes
[06:38] <saradiya_> robos, ?
[06:38] <osity> gotta run thanks thoreauputic_!
[06:38] <robos> saradiya_, simply add a line with 3c59x, thats all
[06:38] <[nrx_] > MaRk-I, that'll be why it's changing, then?
[06:38] <jjpmr52> thanks anyway
[06:38] <Johannesen> is there any good graphical manpage viewer?
[06:39] <MaRk-I> [nrx_] , but never did b4 in MDK
[06:39] <robos> konqueror can view mangapes
[06:39] <robos> man-pages
[06:39] <[nrx_] > MaRk-I, obviously wasn't dhcp, then
[06:39] <saradiya_> robos, alias ?
[06:39] <MaRk-I> [nrx_] , yes it was
[06:39] <robos> saradiya_, sorry, meant modules, not modules.conf
[06:39] <robos> saradiya_, /etc/modules
[06:39] <saradiya_> ok
[06:39] <[nrx_] > MaRk-I, depends how it's setup. If the mac address tables in the device have been changed then it may trigger that off.
[06:40] <[nrx_] > MaRk-I, but if you're concerned about not having a static ip, then turn dhcp off
[06:40] <prego> I'm upgrading pango right now, what will happen to open GTK apps? and to the ones I fire up next to upgrade?
[06:40] <Johannesen> robos, I don't have konqueror.. do you use KDE?
[06:40] <saradiya_> robos, going to reboot
[06:40] <MaRk-I> [nrx_] , the thing is it changes every reboot and I have to dhclient every time
[06:40] <robos> saradiya_, why?
[06:40] <libben> anyother games that could be recommend while i wait an hour for the updating... =), btw, how do u make the last map on tuxracer? im allways 2 secs of from the goal ,..grrr
[06:41] <robos> Johannesen, I use gnome, kde, enlightenment...
[06:41] <[nrx_] > MaRk-I, is there a reason for using dhcp?
[06:41] <MaRk-I> [nrx_] , thats the only way I could get it to work
[06:41] <adobbie> libben: once you figure it out you can beat it by 2s easily
[06:41] <robos> saradiya_, why do you want to reboot?
[06:41] <[nrx_] > MaRk-I, how come?
[06:42] <MaRk-I> manual configuration didnt do it
[06:42] <PacoBCN> is google extremely slow for you too?
[06:42] <libben> yeah, im thinking of gaining speed by making the ice hill on the sides... but i havent figured out the path
[06:42] <MaRk-I> also iwconfig doesnt retain the configuration i.e. essid and key
[06:42] <[nrx_] > MaRk-I, strange.. not too sure what you've done then
[06:43] <nydust> where are software stored?
[06:43] <MaRk-I> [nrx_] , hhmm I just rebooted the pc
[06:43] <dreamwave> hi.  i've got ubuntu (hoary) and windows xp dual boot.  Right now, grub boots to ubuntu as default.  How do I change the default to boot to windows XP?
[06:43] <robos> nydust, try "which program-name"
[06:43] <MaRk-I> wlan0     IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:off/any
[06:43] <MaRk-I>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.437GHz  Access Point: 00:00:00:00:00:00
[06:43] <robos> dreamwave, can't be done, sorry ;-))
[06:43] <dreamwave> :)
[06:43] <MaRk-I> wlan0     IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:"linksys"
[06:43] <MaRk-I>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.437GHz  Access Point: 00:0F:66:3E:9B:FF
[06:43] <Johannesen> robos, ok :)
[06:44] <MaRk-I> after dhclient
[06:44] <robos> look in /boot/grub/menu.1st
[06:44] <[nrx_] > MaRk-I, seems as though there's something wrong with your configuration
[06:44] <robos> dreamwave, look in /boot/grub/menu.1st
[06:44] <msumu_sofie> MaRk-I, si this the final realease of hoary ?
[06:44] <MaRk-I> msumu_sofie, warty
[06:44] <dreamwave> robos: okay.  thanks
[06:45] <robos> dreamwave,
[06:45] <msumu_sofie> MaRk-I, when is hoary out for real then ?
[06:45] <robos> dreamwave, there is a line called default or something
[06:45] <MaRk-I> msumu_sofie, uh??
[06:45] <[nrx_] > msumu_sofie, should be soon :)
[06:46] <MaRk-I> [nrx_] , to make story short my eth0 couldnt connect thru the router I installed the wireless NIC and all of a sudden I could do both... still no ideas why
[06:46] <dreamwave> robos: got it.  just changed it to 3.  do i need to run some command or am i good to go?
[06:46] <[nrx_] > MaRk-I, it's definately something to do with your configurations
[06:47] <randabis> msumu_sofie: april 8th
[06:47] <[nrx_] > MaRk-I, are both your wlan0 and eth0 up?
[06:47] <MaRk-I> right now eht0 is down
[06:47] <[nrx_] > MaRk-I, and your routing table?
[06:47] <msumu_sofie> randabis, what does this mean : realease candidate ?
[06:48] <MaRk-I> [nrx_] , sorry I don't understand what you mean
[06:48] <robos> dreamwave, you need to run (as root) "grub-install /dev/hda" or so
[06:48] <randabis> msumu_sofie: it is a final test release before the final release
[06:49] <[nrx_] > MaRk-I, your routing table... "route -n" should tell you where your traffic's going. Also, it should tell you what interface it's using
[06:49] <dreamwave> robos: ah.  okay.  thanks for your help!
[06:49] <libben> when u guys click and drag mouse on desktop, so that u get the orange shader box.... if i drag my mouse a bit faster the normal, it stutters.... i have nvidia and glx installed... does it stutters for you too ?
[06:49] <MaRk-I> [nrx_] , Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
[06:49] <MaRk-I> 192.168.1.0     0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 wlan0
[06:50] <ions> has the update manager icon been changed or is that just me?
[06:51] <robos> libben, you can configure some things in nvidia-settings
[06:51] <[nrx_] > 0.0.0.0 gateway?
[06:51] <libben> i installed that... why dont installed programs popup in the gnomes menu?
[06:51] <libben> I need to type nvidia-setting to start it =)
[06:51] <ions> restart the gnome panel
[06:51] <msumu_sofie> randabis, well what do you think is gon get better in few days ?
[06:51] <ions> killall -1 gnome-panel
[06:52] <MaRk-I> [nrx_] , the second one is 192.168.1.1 I didnt post it
[06:52] <robos> libben, OH MY GOD, YOU NEED TO TYPE ;-)
[06:52] <MaRk-I> second gateway I mean
[06:52] <libben> ;P
[06:52] <bdale> why would tuxracer sound not work when system noises, totem, et al seem to work fine?  ideas?
[06:53] <[nrx_] > so, what's your AP's ip?
[06:53] <MaRk-I> [nrx_] , http://pastebin.com/265734
[06:54] <bdale>  %% tuxracer warning: Warning: Couldn't set 22050 Hz 16-bit audio
[06:54] <randabis> msumu_sofie: last minute bug fixes, probably a few more package updates
[06:54] <bdale>     Reason: No available audio device
[06:54] <robos> MaRk-I, btw: there are some tools under kde for wifi config, e.g. Kwifimanager
[06:55] <PD> KDE rules I guess
[06:55] <MaRk-I> err ubuntu warty has KDE??
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> testing out the transparency features of kde right now
[06:55] <Taleel> MaRk-I: in universe or multiverse
[06:55] <PD> MaRk-I: you can do an apt-get kde
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> this is linux. :P anything is easially installed.  Lol
[06:56] <msumu_sofie> randabis, thx i 'll wait then
[06:56] <[nrx_] > MaRk-I, "route add default dev wlan0 gw 192.168.1.1"
[06:56] <PD> MaRk-I: or get kubuntu
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> kubuntu-desktop
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> is what i 'apt-got' :P
[06:56] <randabis> msumu_sofie: you don't have to wait...you can get the updates through apt
[06:56] <[nrx_] > xfce is nicer :)
[06:56] <MaRk-I> SIOCADDRT: File exists
[06:57] <[nrx_] > route del default
[06:57] <[nrx_] > then above line
[06:57] <randabis> xfce is nice. :) suits my laptop well...I keep kubuntu on here though
[06:57] <msumu_sofie> randabis, last i tried to get updates it took me almost 2hours !
[06:57] <[nrx_] > randabis, running xfce4 here on this lappy, too :)
[06:57] <pseudo> http://www.pseudocode.org/aprilfirst.jpg
[06:57] <pseudo> nice
[06:57] <PD> kubuntu on my laptop too
[06:57] <randabis> msumu_sofie: slow connection?
[06:57] <prego> If I remove kubuntu-desktop, will it remove all KDE stuff?
[06:58] <randabis> prego: no
[06:58] <libben> whats d diffrence between kubuntu and ubuntu? read somewhere that it was like KDE or Gnome packed
[06:58] <prego> randabis, so to remove it I have to do it manually?
[06:58] <pseudo> I would not have even notice if it weren't for the logout
[06:58] <pseudo> Who are those guys anyway?
[06:58] <randabis> libben: kubuntu = kde, ubuntu = gnome
[06:58] <randabis> prego: yes
[06:58] <[nrx_] > xubuntu = xfce4
[06:58] <[nrx_] > :D
[06:59] <randabis> prego: you could use something like debfoster to find all the dependencies and remove them to make it a bit faster
[06:59] <MaRk-I> [nrx_] , ok done... now??
[06:59] <robos> randabis, or deborphan first
[07:00] <prego> randabis, OK....
[07:00] <randabis> robos: yeah
[07:00] <prego> robos, deboprhan finds packages not used by anyone else, I guess
[07:00] <robos> prego, yes, first thing to clean up the system a bit
[07:00] <msumu_sofie> randabis, no it was hoary dude; and there were a lotta people that day on that hour :)
[07:00] <prego> Oh my god, I got also the April 1st gdm virus ;-P
[07:01] <prego> robos, is that also accessible at synaptic or do I have to use CLI?
[07:01] <randabis> lol
[07:01] <robos> prego, mom
[07:01] <Quinn_Storm> april 1st gdm virus? this an easter egg? I don't use gdm so...
[07:01] <dieman> hey
[07:02] <no0tic> Quinn_Storm: what are you saying of?
[07:02] <dieman> every time i try to open up a folder in nautilus the old window goes away
[07:02] <prego> Quinn_Storm, you are right, it is more an easter egg rather than a virus. Do not panic! ;-P
[07:02] <robos> Quinn_Storm, there is an image like the normal ubuntu "three people holding hands" image, but this time some developers
[07:02] <dieman> how do i keep it from doing that? :)
[07:02] <Quinn_Storm> ah, cool, hehe, I use kdm tho
[07:02] <prego> dieman, they have switched close behaviour: use middle mouse not to close parent, now
[07:03] <kbrooks> Why is apt DELETING packages
[07:03] <no0tic> Quinn_Storm: could you describe it?
[07:03] <nydust> i did just install webmin with apt-get and when i try to load it in the browser i get access denied
[07:03] <kbrooks> 570 upgraded, 55 newly installed, 60 to remove and 41 not upgraded.
[07:03] <robos> prego, deborphan is not in ubuntu as it seems...
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> no0tic,  you did start the service?
[07:03] <dieman> prego: wtf!
[07:03] <kbrooks> why is apt removing 60 packages!
[07:03] <dieman> prego: wacky
[07:03] <randabis> robos: I think it is in universe
[07:03] <prego> as someone posted above: http://www.pseudocode.org/aprilfirst.jpg
[07:03] <no0tic> Dr_Willis: gdm? yes!
[07:04] <kbrooks> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[07:04] <kbrooks>   capplets evolution-data-server evolution-webcal file-roller gcalctool
[07:04] <kbrooks>   gconf-editor gdm gedit gedit-common gnome-about gnome-applets
[07:04] <kbrooks>   gnome-applets-data gnome-control-center gnome-cpufreq-applet
[07:04] <kbrooks>   gnome-cups-manager gnome-games gnome-gv gnome-media gnome-netstatus-applet
[07:04] <kbrooks>   gnome-nettool gnome-panel gnome-panel-data gnome-pilot gnome-pilot-conduits
[07:04] <kbrooks>   gnome-session gnome-spell gnome-system-monitor gnome-system-tools
[07:04] <kbrooks>   gnome-utils gnome-volume-manager gnomemeeting gthumb gtkhtml3.2 gucharmap
[07:04] <kbrooks>   hal-device-manager libbonoboui2-0 libeel2-2 libgal2.2-1 libgal2.2-common
[07:04] <kbrooks>   libgnome-desktop-2 libgnome2-0 libgnomecupsui1.0-1 libgnomeui-0
[07:04] <Dr_Willis> i ment nydust  :P
[07:04] <kbrooks>   libgtkhtml3.2-11 libgucharmap4 libnautilus2-2 libpanel-applet2-0
[07:04] <kbrooks>   nautilus-cd-burner python-fixedpoint python-gnome2 python-mpz python-newt
[07:04] <kbrooks>   python2.3-gnome2 rhythmbox sound-juicer totem-gstreamer trashapplet tsclient
[07:04] <kbrooks>   vino yelp
[07:04] <kbrooks> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[07:04] <thoreauputic_> kbrooks: STOP IT!!
[07:04] <kbrooks> those.
[07:04] <dieman> prego: i wouldn't mind it if the new window was right were the closed one was
[07:04] <kbrooks> yes sir
[07:04] <Dr_Willis> nydust,  you need to start the service.. and then connect to https://localhost
[07:04] <prego> dieman, windows are at the place you left them last time.
[07:04] <nydust> Dr_Willis, webmin has started
[07:04] <kbrooks> why is apt removing IMPORTANT packages?
[07:05] <thoreauputic_> kbrooks: in a less friendly channel that would have got you kicked
[07:05] <randabis> haha
[07:05] <robos> kbrooks, in the list of new installed packages, are there similar packages
[07:05] <randabis> looks like it is removing gnome
[07:05] <Xeon3D> xmms is going crazy
[07:05] <prego> kbrooks, reload package info
[07:05] <Xeon3D> it wont play any mp3 files :(
[07:05] <nmsa_> kain: are you around?
[07:05] <kbrooks> robos, as in?
[07:05] <randabis> haha apt removing gnome...that's awesome
[07:05] <robos> kbrooks, as in the same names as those that get removed
[07:05] <kain> nmsa_, tell me
[07:05] <robos> kbrooks, only with a small change in the name
[07:06] <nmsa_> in regards to mu ieee1394 and kino
[07:06] <kain> yes, I remember
[07:06] <nmsa_> my ieee1394 is ok now, bu I can't get my kino to capture
[07:06] <kain> nmsa_, this time I can't help you, I never used kino, sorry
[07:06] <nydust> Dr_Willis, webmin is running.. I am on my client pc now. at the samme nettwork. I see i have one problem cause when i type the hostname to the server firefox try to google search on the hostname
[07:07] <kbrooks> http://rafb.net/paste/results/9dV2sv57.html
[07:07] <kbrooks> robos, apt-get -f upgrade
[07:07] <nmsa_> kain: thank you! you helped a lot with the ieee, which works ;)
[07:08] <no0tic> X cursor disappeared suddenly, left a black hole cursor shaped
[07:08] <Dr_Willis> nydust,  use the local pc. first.. then you need to configure webmin to allow the OTHER pc's to get in.
[07:08] <Dr_Willis> nydust,  webminis locked down VERY tightly by default if i rember right.
[07:08] <PacoBCN> the gdm joke is funny but almost gave me a heart attack...
[07:08] <PacoBCN> dammit
[07:08] <kbrooks> PacoBCN, gdm joke?
[07:08] <PacoBCN> april's fool
[07:08] <no0tic> I installed a new cursor theme and it showed up, but then it disappeared
[07:08] <kbrooks> PacoBCN, paste the joke on a pastebin
[07:09] <PacoBCN> kbrooks, nothing to paste, I updated everything and restarted the computer
[07:09] <robos> kbrooks, did you run this?
[07:09] <desrt> shame
[07:09] <desrt> i just updated too
[07:09] <desrt> i'd have liked to have seen that :P
[07:09] <PacoBCN> well, restartx...
[07:09] <kbrooks> robos: and i tried to install python-dev, but
[07:10] <kbrooks> it was removing IMPORTANT packages
[07:10] <kent> Is the seti-applet any good? I found a deb-packat for Warty (im using Hoary) and it crashed when i add it to the panel.  I cant find any .deb files for it, so Im thinking of compiling it from source, but Im not sure if its worth it. I want an applet for seti that runs seti so I get a nice UI interface for it, and dont have to run it from a terminal.
[07:10] <nydust> how can i see deamins that are running?
[07:10] <GhostFreeman> Will the clock automatically update for DST?
[07:10] <robos> kbrooks, did you mess with the sources list?
[07:10] <randabis> well, the pope's gonna die
[07:10] <nydust> daemons
[07:10] <lok> GhostFreeman, DST ?
[07:10] <kbrooks> robos, dont remember
[07:10] <GhostFreeman> Daylight Savings Time
[07:11] <no0tic> someone can answer me?
[07:11] <lok> for me it worked fine
[07:11] <PacoBCN> am I the only one to have seen the Happy April First theme?
[07:11] <no0tic> of I have to file a bug?
[07:11] <thoreauputic_> GhostFreeman: it did here
[07:11] <GhostFreeman> Did you haveta enable NTP support?
[07:11] <EvilIdler> I've been struggling to get a stable nvidia driver here. Compiling from source now makes the system not find the modules directory, and stock 2.6.10 kernels are very unstable with xcompmgr.
[07:11] <Xeon3D> is anyone else having problems with xmms on hoary?
[07:11] <kbrooks> robos: hello?
[07:12] <robos> kbrooks, mom
[07:12] <thoreauputic_> GhostFreeman: it doesn't use ntpdate to do it as far as I know
[07:12] <kbrooks> robos: be helpful
[07:12] <GhostFreeman> ok
[07:12] <randabis> EvilIdler: why not just use the nvidia-glx package?
[07:12] <EvilIdler> randabis: That's also unstable.
[07:13] <randabis> I've never had any problems with it
[07:13] <robos> kbrooks, try running synaptic and see under settings-> packetlist or so
[07:13] <EvilIdler> randabis: Run xcompmgr, X crashes on window resize or if I try transparency
[07:13] <randabis> EvilIdler: not for me (with xcompmgr running)
[07:13] <EvilIdler> randabis: You don't have luck-debt ;)
[07:13] <GhostFreeman> Anyone having problems logging in to MSN with gaim
[07:14] <EvilIdler> Going to see if at least 3D stuff works.
[07:14] <no0tic> GhostFreeman: net is down, it semms
[07:14] <no0tic> GhostFreeman: it *seems
[07:14] <robos> kbrooks, mom means "wait a moment"
[07:14] <GhostFreeman> its been down a lot the past few weeks
[07:15] <thoreauputic_> GhostFreeman: yeah it times out here
[07:15] <MaRk-I> [nrx] , thanks I think that did it
[07:15] <MaRk-I> oh wait... lag
[07:15] <raphinou_> is it possible to install ubuntu on a partition from a running system?
[07:15] <adobbie> raphinou: you mean like debootstrap?
[07:15] <[nrx] > everything's possiblew with ubnutu
[07:16] <[nrx] > ubuntu's good, too
[07:16] <[nrx] > heh
[07:16] <raphinou_> adobbie: yep
[07:16] <kbrooks> running
[07:16] <thoreauputic_> [nrx] : yeah, but ubnutu's better ;-)
[07:16] <robos> kbrooks, are there any more sources beside the ubuntu ones?
[07:16] <adobbie> raphinou: use debootstrap
[07:17] <raphinou_> I'm on debian and tried (not that hard) to use debootstrap with a ubuntu repository, without success
[07:17] <kbrooks> robos, unpacking
[07:17] <kbrooks> atm
[07:17] <EvilIdler> No glx support. Yay stock kernels.
[07:17] <adobbie> raphinou: try again, I've got sarge 3 times and ubuntu once all one machine
[07:18] <kbrooks> robos: ill tell you after
[07:18] <robos> kbrooks, k
[07:18] <EvilIdler> I have nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev installed, nvidia module is loaded. Still no GLX. Any ideas?
[07:18] <scott> anyone know how to get gdesklets to show up on ubuntu?
[07:18] <libben> why nvidia-dev
[07:18] <libben> ?
[07:19] <adobbie> EvilIdler: Load    "glx" in your xorg.conf?
[07:19] <EvilIdler> adobbie: It's loaded, or at least I have the entry
[07:19] <adobbie> glxgears doesn't run?
[07:20] <EvilIdler> adobbie: I'm trying various other gl programs. Don't have glxgears, but I don't think it should matter
[07:20] <raphinou_> adobbie: the problem is that in /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/ I don't have a script for ubuntu, and it complains....
[07:20] <raphinou_> Here's what I tried:
[07:21] <raphinou_> debootstrap hoary ubuntu/ http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[07:21] <adobbie> EvilIdler: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:21] <MaRk-I> [nrx] , I think that was it thanks
[07:21] <saradiya> can anyone get this --> 3CRSHPW196 wireless card from 3com working ?
[07:22] <EvilIdler> adobbie: The log says module glx is loaded
[07:22] <[nrx] > MaRk-I no problem
[07:22] <kbrooks> robos, no. none.
[07:22] <MaRk-I> [nrx] , cant have both runing huh?
[07:22] <robos> saradiya, didn't the last thing work I told you?
[07:23] <adobbie> EvilIdler: Driver          "nvidia" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[07:23] <robos> kbrooks, hmm, then it's strange
[07:23] <EvilIdler> adobbie: Yep. It's what I'm using.
[07:23] <saradiya> robos, no that was detecting my built in lan card not the wifi
[07:23] <Xeon3D> erm... I'm having problems regarding playing mp3 files.
[07:23] <[nrx] > MaRk-I not if you want traffic routed properly
[07:23] <saradiya> robos, it can't detect the wifi
[07:23] <[nrx] > MaRk-I make sure you do "ifconfig eth0 down" and "ifconfig wlan0 up" :)
[07:24] <Xeon3D> If I try playing an mp3 file with xmms or bmp .. it stalls and freezes the application
[07:24] <robos> saradiya, I thought you wanted the normal nic to run, you didn't say something about wifi
[07:24] <Xeon3D> and I have to kill it.. :P
[07:24] <adobbie> EvilIdler: I don't know what you've missed then.  I've got it working fine here
[07:24] <Xeon3D> but sound plays normally when I use Totem to view a video.
[07:24] <EvilIdler> adobbie: I had it working fine until I upgraded to X.org
[07:24] <saradiya> robos, sorry ... wasn't clear i guess
[07:24] <Xeon3D> what could it be?
[07:24] <MaRk-I> [nrx] , doing ifconfig eth0 down wont start it at boot right??
[07:24] <kbrooks> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 528 not upgraded.
[07:24] <robos> kbrooks, how about you search in synaptic for gnome and install those packages again?
[07:24] <saradiya> robos, any ideas ?
[07:24] <kbrooks> How do I fix the 528 not upgraded
[07:25] <[nrx] > MaRk-I you can add scripts etc to set that up.. but generally, eth0 will always start at boot unless you specify otherwise
[07:25] <[nrx] > and i gotta go for a shower.. going out tonight :)
[07:25] <MaRk-I> [nrx] , thanks again
[07:25] <[nrx] > np
[07:25] <MaRk-I> and enjoy
[07:25] <adobbie> kbrooks: probably aptitude dist-upgrade
[07:25] <raphinou_> adobbie: could you give me what you typed to get debootstrap to work?
[07:25] <robos> saradiya, search in google.com/linux for the name of your wifi-nic
[07:26] <raphinou_> Or did you boot the ubuntu live CD and issue the command from there?
[07:26] <adobbie> raphinou: I can't remember, I just read a few lines in the manpage and typed it
[07:26] <adobbie> raphinou: I used hoary
[07:27] <thoreauputic_> Xeon3D: do you have mpg321 or mpg123 installed? Have you configured the xmms plugins?
[07:27] <thoreauputic_> Xeon3D: or are you relying on gstreamer?
[07:28] <raphinou_> adobbie: ok, I should try to boot on the live CD and do it from there then..
[07:28] <Orbo> ahoy
[07:28] <Xeon3D> Thom_Holwerda, don't think I have mpg123 or 321 installed.
[07:28] <kbrooks> ok
[07:28] <Orbo> I've having some display problems when ubuntu starts gdm
[07:28] <kbrooks> adobbie, thx
[07:28] <Xeon3D> thoreauputic_,  and I didn't configure xmms plugins.
[07:28] <Xeon3D> thoreauputic_,    don't think I have mpg123 or 321 installed.
[07:29] <thoreauputic_> Xeon3D: try installing mpg123 and try again - check th eplugin config in xmms after installing
[07:29] <Orbo> it sets the resolution out of my monitors range, but when I log in, everything is fine, I changed it to 1024x768, I haven't installed fgrlx
[07:29] <thoreauputic_> Xeon3D: my xmms is running with mpg123
[07:29] <Xeon3D> thoreauputic_, i just installed mpg123 and when I try and play an audio file it sayys it can't find a suitable libao driver (is device in use?)
[07:29] <robos> gonna go, cua
[07:29] <Xeon3D> but sound plays normally when I click the menus and such on gnome.
[07:30] <Xeon3D> ARGHHHH has anyone seen the new login screen (after updating?)
[07:30] <thoreauputic_> Xeon3D: options >> preferences  in xmms
[07:31] <thoreauputic_> mpeg layer plugin
[07:31] <Xeon3D> tt..ttthh... thhhree... malee.. ggguuyss...
[07:31] <thoreauputic_> Xeon3D: enable that plugin
[07:32] <Xeon3D> its enabled
[07:32] <thoreauputic_> there's a check box
[07:32] <thoreauputic_> and it still won't play?
[07:32] <Xeon3D> nope
[07:32] <thoreauputic_> hmm
[07:32] <Xeon3D> now it asks me to check if my sound card is configured correctly
[07:32] <St0n3-C0l> Konversation is good :P
[07:32] <thoreauputic_> Xeon3D: you can play mp3 in rhythmbox, right?
[07:33] <thoreauputic_> Xeon3D: are you using hoary? are you using esd for sound?
[07:33] <Xeon3D> I haven't got rhythmbox
[07:33] <Xeon3D> thoreauputic_, how do I check ? :P
[07:33] <thoreauputic_> music player
[07:34] <thoreauputic_>  ps aux | grep esd  and see if esd is running for a start
[07:35] <randabis> St0n3-C0l: indeed :)
[07:35] <Xeon3D> yup
[07:35] <Xeon3D> with the nobeeps option
[07:35] <Xeon3D> I can play them with rythmbox..
[07:36] <libben> I clicked NO on do u wan to ignore these packages that werent downloaded......  do i have to download all 316 packages again?
[07:36] <thoreauputic_> Xeon3D: so gstreamer is working
[07:36] <Xeon3D> but why can't I use it with xmms
[07:37] <thoreauputic_> Xeon3D: I don't know, frankly - xmms here uses mpg123, not gstreamer
[07:38] <subterrific> hahaha, the login screen ;)
[07:38] <thoreauputic_> Xeon3D: check the output plugin in xmms and see if it's using esd or oss or whatever
[07:39] <Xeon3D> rhytmbox is still loading songs
[07:39] <thoreauputic_> Xeon3D: I think in hoary it needs to be using esd
[07:39] <Xeon3D> :( I shouldn't have selected my main mp3 folder.. :P
[07:39] <thoreauputic_> you should be able to run xmms while it loads :)
[07:40] <randabis> http://www.google.com/googlegulp/
[07:41] <Br34ch> Think fruity!
[07:41] <Xeon3D> nope still doesn't work
[07:41] <Xeon3D> :(
[07:41] <Xeon3D> even with esd
[07:41] <Xeon3D> it still gives me the check the soundcard is ok.. and such
[07:41] <Xeon3D> (I use NForce)
[07:42] <Xeon3D> s/Nforce/SoundStorm
[07:42] <thoreauputic_> Xeon3D: what was it set to? did you change it to esd and restart it?
[07:42] <skreet> April Fools eh ? :D
[07:42] <Br34ch> Gmail storage is going up to 2 GB today
[07:42] <Xeon3D> I did... and it still didn't work
[07:43] <thoreauputic_> Xeon3D: I'm running out of ideas, sorry :(
[07:43] <thoreauputic_> maybe try another output plugin
[07:43] <Tuxicity> hey, anyone else saw the Google April's Fool Joke today? :D
[07:43] <Xeon3D> F*CK
[07:43] <Xeon3D> I fixed it.
[07:43] <thoreauputic_> Xeon3D: like straight alsa
[07:44] <falkar> www.google.com/slurp/
[07:44] <falkar> i love gooooogle!
[07:44] <thoreauputic_> Xeon3D: what was it?
[07:44] <Xeon3D> I was running it thru a button on the panel
[07:44] <Xeon3D> and it was executing gksudo xmms
[07:44] <Xeon3D> I just removed the gksudo..
[07:44] <Xeon3D> and voila
[07:44] <Xeon3D> :P
[07:44] <thoreauputic_> Xeon3D: haha :D
[07:44] <Xeon3D> thanks for your help thoreauputic_ !
[07:44] <thoreauputic_> Xeon3D: no worries :)
[07:45] <Tuxicity> falkar, no this http://www.google.ca/googlegulp/
[07:45] <Xeon3D> oh and did someone try and add a folder with like 10000 mp3 files into rhythmbox? mine just crashed after a while.
[07:45] <randabis> this ones better: ""Opera Software's R-and-D department today announced the discovery of a new technology dubbed 'Opera SoundWave' - a platform-independent speech solution for short- and medium-range interpersonal communication. Based on open standards, Opera's patent-pending P2P speech technology uses analogue signals carried through open air, enabling users to communicate in real- time without the use of computers or mobile phones.
[07:46] <thoreauputic_> Xeon3D: rhythmbox has some ... issues
[07:46] <falkar> :|
[07:46] <falkar> XDDDD
[07:46] <falkar> tuxicity?
[07:46] <falkar> do you know system of a down? :|
[07:46] <Xeon3D> I do.
[07:46] <Tuxicity> falkar, ya
[07:46] <Xeon3D> Toxiccity or somth
[07:46] <falkar> great :)
[07:46] <falkar> i like them!
[07:47] <Tuxicity> falkar, me too :)
[07:47] <falkar> what's your favourite song?
[07:47] <Tuxicity> falkar, guess
[07:47] <no0tic> brb
[07:47] <falkar> roulette :Q_____
[07:48] <Xeon3D> I like that one "Wake up, and grab a little brush ... your makeup".. etc...
[07:48] <falkar> .. :|
[07:48] <randabis> Xeon3D: chop suey
[07:48] <falkar> it's "chop suey"
[07:49] <randabis> I like "Science"
[07:49] <randabis> that song rocks
[07:50] <Xeon3D> heh thanks :D
[07:50] <Xeon3D> I'm much more of a Metallica fan though.
[07:50] <oXeN> heh listening to SOAD right now
[07:50] <oXeN> War
[07:51] <no0tic> brb
[07:51] <randabis> old metallica is good
[07:51] <Xeon3D> new metallica is also good.. just a little different...
[07:52] <SirFunk> hey.. i'm having a problem.. i install warty ..it installs fine but on the first reboot it kernelpanics
[07:53] <Tuxicity> falkar,
[07:53] <Tuxicity> my favourite is "Toxicity" to asnwer ur q.
[07:54] <Bazzi> the toxicity of our city, oooour ciiiityyyy
[07:55] <Xeon3D> SirFunk,  check your memory with memtest...
[07:55] <BockBilbo> hello
[07:55] <SirFunk> Bazzi.. i did it's fine
[07:55] <Xeon3D> The only time I saw a kernel panic... so early was when I had a bad dimm
[07:55] <BockBilbo> can dist-upgrading remove a directory inside the user's home directory?
[07:55] <BockBilbo> :S
[07:55] <Xeon3D> don't think so...
[07:55] <BockBilbo> me either
[07:56] <BockBilbo> but looks like lots of my home data have dissapeared
[07:56] <BockBilbo> :S
[07:56] <BockBilbo> just like if i have reinstalled ubuntu
[08:00] <no0tic> anyone could lend me a hand with a firewall rule?
[08:01] <Tuxicity> no0tic, maybem what?
[08:01] <SirFunk> my ubuntu kernel panics right after detecting network interfaces
[08:02] <Echylo> you scared him ?
[08:02] <Echylo> what kind of network interface you have?
[08:03] <Mr-Petah> hi all!
[08:03] <SirFunk> Echylo: it's builtin
[08:03] <Mr-Petah> i'm back!
[08:03] <Echylo> an ethernet SirFunk ?
[08:03] <Echylo> wb Mr-Petah
[08:03] <Mr-Petah> :)
[08:04] <Mr-Petah> i install ubuntu in my p3!!!! (real machinne, no virtual! xD)
[08:04] <SirFunk> Echylo: yes
[08:04] <Echylo> hmm kind? sure it's not broken?
[08:04] <Echylo> congrats Mr-Petah  :)
[08:04] <Mr-Petah> tnx!
[08:04] <Mr-Petah> is faster!
[08:04] <Mr-Petah> now download upgrades
[08:04] <Echylo> lel
[08:04] <Echylo> I just did that too
[08:04] <Echylo> 202 updates
[08:04] <Mr-Petah> like sudo apt-get xD
[08:04] <SirFunk> Echylo: yes, sure, i ran fedora on this system for like a year, no problem
[08:05] <Echylo> hmm
[08:05] <Mr-Petah> i just 142 upd
[08:05] <Echylo> :)
[08:05] <Mr-Petah> xD
[08:05] <Mr-Petah> 160 Mb
[08:05] <Mr-Petah> :P
[08:05] <Mr-Petah> sorry 4 my english, remember, i'm argentinian in canary islands (spain)
[08:06] <SirFunk> Echylo: the network stuff is just the last thing i see before it kernel panics, it could be something esle
[08:06] <Mr-Petah> :P
[08:06] <det> Nice april 1st joke :-)
[08:06] <tolstoy> love that new gdm hoary background!  thanks for the laugh. ;)
[08:06] <Echylo> which one det?
[08:06] <det> ooh, there are more
[08:06] <GhostFreeman> whats the command to find out what host address my computer has been assigned
[08:06] <Echylo> slashdot?
[08:06] <Tuxicity> GhostFreeman, ifconfig
[08:06] <Mr-Petah> where see freenode mirrors to conect from UE?
[08:06] <Echylo> slashdot is full of jokes today
[08:07] <det> Echylo, I meant, gdm background :)
[08:08] <Mr-Petah> i'm back in a few minutes, need install a script 4 xchat, and restart
[08:08] <Shido6> anyone get a TV@nywhere card working in ubuntu?
[08:08] <Mr-Petah> i have avermediatv and ubuntu get auto :P
[08:09] <paolo> Hi guys! What should I do in order to export a directory from a ubuntu pc to another one? I installed packet nfs-kernel-server, and "modprobe nfs", changed /etc/exports, but when I try to mount from the client it says something like "RPC... connection refused". What does it lack?
[08:10] <talkingjive> hellp
[08:10] <talkingjive> i need help
[08:10] <talkingjive> somebody can help me please?
[08:10] <tck> ask
[08:10] <talkingjive> i wanna install ubuntu
[08:10] <tck> dont ask to ask - just ask
[08:10] <talkingjive> but my pc doesn't have cd boot
[08:10] <tck> is it enabled in the BIOS
[08:11] <talkingjive> nop
[08:11] <tck> or no cd-rom
[08:11] <talkingjive> my pc it's an oldy
[08:11] <talkingjive> doesn't have that option
[08:11] <tck> very oldy ;)
[08:11] <talkingjive> yep
[08:11] <tck> has it got a network card
[08:11] <talkingjive> 9 years old
[08:11] <thoreauputic_> talkingjive: how much RAM, hard drive space, what cpu?
[08:11] <talkingjive> nop
[08:11] <talkingjive> 32 ram
[08:12] <talkingjive> 166mhz
[08:12] <thoreauputic_> talkingjive: not enough
[08:12] <digitalsurgeon> i've mounted windows partition on /mnt/win_c as root but i want to allow normal users to access that partition
[08:12] <talkingjive> 4gb hard disk
[08:12] <digitalsurgeon> how
[08:12] <talkingjive> why?
[08:12] <thoreauputic_> talkingjive: another distro would be better for a box that old
[08:12] <thoreauputic_> unless you want to go to a lot of unnecessary trouble
[08:12] <talkingjive> what distro?
[08:13] <digitalsurgeon> need a quick help guys
[08:13] <darren_> Does anyone know why XMMS crashes everytime I try and play an mp3 (Ubuntu Hoary)
[08:13] <thoreauputic_> talkingjive: debian, slackware, maybe damnsmall lim=nux
[08:13] <thoreauputic_> *linux
[08:13] <talkingjive> why not ubuntu??
[08:13] <digitalsurgeon> i've mounted windows partition on /mnt/win_c as root but i want to allow normal users to access that partition
[08:13] <folta> hey all - i just upgraded a few things and now i get the error '/bin/sh: tar: command not found' when i attempt to open a tar archive with file roller - what's wrong?
[08:14] <digitalsurgeon> chmod 777 /mnt/win_c wont help
[08:14] <thoreauputic_> talkingjive: because a modern gnome desktop needs more resources
[08:14] <folta> i still have tar installed btw
[08:14] <digitalsurgeon> is tar in ur path ?
[08:14] <talkingjive> ok i dont mind
[08:14] <digitalsurgeon> check ur path etc
[08:14] <thoreauputic_> talkingjive: that machine would need to run icewm or fluxbox or similar
[08:14] <talkingjive> i can install ubunti without cd boot?
[08:15] <corvix> i got a problem with the philips webcam pcvc740 ...
[08:15] <thoreauputic_> talkingjive: you don't have enough RAM
[08:15] <talkingjive> ok i'll run icewm on ubuntu
[08:15] <corvix> when booting hotplug or usb load the modules and this seems to block the oss emulation of alsa ...
[08:15] <thoreauputic_> talkingjive: *sigh* OK well use the "expert" install option
[08:15] <talkingjive> yes i have
[08:15] <talkingjive> in the ubuntu cd box
[08:15] <talkingjive> tells that 32mb it's enough
[08:15] <corvix> alsa still wortks fine, but all progs using /dev/dsp dont work
[08:16] <digitalsurgeon> i've mounted windows partition on /mnt/win_c as root but i want to allow normal users to access that partition
[08:16] <digitalsurgeon> help
[08:16] <thoreauputic_> talkingjive: it will run like a slug
[08:16] <effigy> when i play avis the sound and video are out of sync, anyone know how to fix this?
[08:16] <talkingjive> yeah but i dont know how i can boot the install
[08:16] <no0tic> does firestarter has a reject policy?
[08:16] <darren_> Does anyone know why XMMS crashes everytime I try and play an mp3 (Ubuntu Hoary)
[08:16] <thoreauputic_> talkingjive: do yourself a favour and install debian
[08:17] <talkingjive> i don't have debian
[08:17] <effigy> in totem
[08:17] <corvix> @surgeon ... check man mount for dmask and fmask ...
[08:17] <digitalsurgeon> thanks corvix
[08:17] <digitalsurgeon> let me man
[08:18] <digitalsurgeon> No manual entry for fmask
[08:18] <tahorg> anyone's got mono packages for hoary (>= 1.0.6) ?
[08:18] <corvix> no .. i meant look at the "man mount" for dmask and fmask .. should be in the vfat section
[08:18] <inetpro> digitalsurgeon: If you want to automount while booting add "rw,uid=YourNormalUserID,gid=YourNormalGroupID" to the options in /etc/fstab
[08:19] <corvix> its a mountoption for vfat or i think ntfs as well
[08:19] <inetpro>  digitalsurgeon: read man fstab
[08:19] <digitalsurgeon> fat32
[08:19] <digitalsurgeon> ok
[08:19] <corvix> supported by vfat
[08:19] <corvix> anyone an idea about that sound/webcam prob?
[08:20] <paolo> Hi all! is ubuntu kernel supporting nfs?
[08:20] <corvix> jupp .. afaik ...
[08:20] <inetpro> My entry in /etc/fstab is as follows: "/dev/hda1       /win98          vfat    rw,uid=1000,gid=1000 0       0"
[08:20] <corvix> at least im runnig it
[08:21] <grogoreo> hi
[08:21] <digitalsurgeon> inetpro: so will it allow all normal users to access the /win98 directory ?
[08:21] <corvix> no ...
[08:21] <markuman> how does jabber work? i think you can chat with jabber to icq to? but if i want to add a contact, i can only add jabber IDs
[08:21] <markuman> i'm using PSI
[08:21] <corvix> files will appear unter uig/gid 1000
[08:21] <digitalsurgeon> only a specific user ?
[08:21] <josue> hey guys, i want to upgrade my system to the latest hoary (im a hoary from a few months ago), but i can't downoad the files here. Is there a way to download the packages manually in another computer and burn them in a cd? or can i upgrade my system from a hoary iso?
[08:21] <inetpro> digitalsurgeon: no only user with ID: 1000
[08:21] <corvix> use dmask and fmask to modify file rights
[08:21] <digitalsurgeon> hmm
[08:21] <digitalsurgeon> that's good enuf for now i think
[08:22] <digitalsurgeon> but why wont this work ?
[08:22] <digitalsurgeon> rhl had no such problem :s
[08:22] <dtudosie> hi
[08:22] <corvix> /dev/sda1       /media/sda1     vfat    defaults,sync,noauto,user,dmask=0003,fmask=0113,uid=1000,gid=1002          0       0
[08:23] <inetpro> You could always add the "user" option instead and allow the user to mount it him/herself. See man fstab
[08:23] <corvix> or that way
[08:24] <phoenixp3k> hello, new to linux and got a few questions
[08:24] <inetpro> does rhl mount the doze directory automatically?
[08:24] <Tuxicity> phoenixp3k, shoot!
[08:25] <digitalsurgeon> inetpro & corvix: thanks guys
[08:25] <phoenixp3k> well it's about FireStarter
[08:25] <digitalsurgeon> that solved it
[08:26] <phoenixp3k> Is it loaded at start-up ?
[08:26] <folta> hey again
[08:26] <Tuxicity> phoenixp3k, you follpowed instructions on ubuntuguide.org?
[08:26] <phoenixp3k> yup
[08:26] <thoreauputic_> phoenixp3k: normally yes
[08:26] <darren_> How do I run an rpm from terminal?
[08:26] <folta> i've checked- i have /bin in my path, and tar is at /bin/tar... so why isn't it being found by file roller?
[08:27] <phoenixp3k> ok. 2nd questions, GRUB takes 3-4 minutes to bood
[08:27] <phoenixp3k> to boot
[08:27] <thoreauputic_> darren_: you don't - this is a debian-based distro
[08:27] <Tuxicity> phoenixp3k, umm, thats long
[08:28] <digitalsurgeon> ok
[08:28] <Albacker> phoenixp3k /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:28] <digitalsurgeon> i have some simple .net winforms based apps in .NET
[08:28] <thoreauputic_> darren_: what are you trying to do?
[08:28] <Petro> How do I mount a filesystem without user, group permissions? (Here an iPod with HFS+)
[08:28] <Albacker> phoenixp3k, there should be something that sets the time.
[08:28] <digitalsurgeon> i have mono installed on my ubuntu linux
[08:28] <darren_> thoreauputic_, but Ubuntu can run rpms
[08:28] <digitalsurgeon> i want to run them
[08:28] <darren_> thoreauputic_,  I'm trying to install gimpshop
[08:28] <thoreauputic_> darren_: what are you trying to do?
[08:28] <digitalsurgeon> when i invoke the .exe i get this error
[08:28] <digitalsurgeon> ahout wine.exe
[08:28] <phoenixp3k> well, it's not the time letting me choose the operating system
[08:29] <phoenixp3k> it's the stage 1.5 thing
[08:29] <hohlraum> anyone know why the nvidia driver debs require the single processor kernel (and its support files) to be installed?
[08:29] <thoreauputic_> darren_: you can try using alien: sudo apt-get install alien
[08:29] <Albacker> phoenixp3k, ahh
[08:30] <Thom_Holwerda> huh anyone mentioned me
[08:30] <thoreauputic_> darren_: then sudo alien <name of rpm>
[08:30] <darren_> thoreauputic_, what's alien?
[08:30] <digitalsurgeon> yeah
[08:30] <digitalsurgeon> what is it ?
[08:30] <thoreauputic_> darren_: converts rpm to deb
[08:30] <Thom_Holwerda> darren_, it makes a .deb out of .rpm
[08:30] <thoreauputic_> darren_: if you're lucky
[08:30] <Thom_Holwerda> never failed on me :)
[08:31] <darren_> installed alien
[08:31] <phoenixp3k> So I was hoping there would be a way to fix this...
[08:31] <hohlraum> alien == gianormous hack :)
[08:31] <thoreauputic_> Thom_Holwerda: you're lucky then :)
[08:31] <darren_> what's the command to convert rpm to deb?
[08:31] <nydust> i have installed webmin and it bye default use root as login, but ubuntu has root account disabled by default how do i correct this?
[08:31] <folta> oh, this is a beautiful thing, mplayer and xmms are freezing now too
[08:31] <thoreauputic_> darren_: I told you
[08:31] <thoreauputic_> darren_: sudo alien <name of rpm>
[08:31] <digitalsurgeon> nydust: sudo
[08:31] <digitalsurgeon> then set passwd for root
[08:32] <Tuxicity> phoenixp3k, there must be, on my PC it's so fast
[08:32] <digitalsurgeon> su
[08:32] <Tuxicity> phoenixp3k, how much Mhz?
[08:32] <hohlraum> once you get into webadmin.. give a different user admin privs and then disable roots passwd again and delete the root user from webmin.
[08:32] <phoenixp3k> 2.4 Ghz
[08:33] <nydust> si cant login
[08:33] <phoenixp3k> Ubuntu is installed on a slave 3.2 GB 3600 rmp drive. But grub should be on the master
[08:33] <effigy> how do i go about setting my joystick up?
[08:34] <effigy> its a saitek p750 usb joystick, 3axis 12button
[08:34] <darren_> thoreauputic_, that command just created a dir
[08:35] <Goshawk> is there a way to see all the variables of my shell?
[08:35] <hohlraum> effigy: what app are you trying to use with it?
[08:35] <thoreauputic_> darren_: umm.. no it didn't - did you look in there to see if you have a deb?
[08:35] <darren_> yes
[08:35] <Albacker> darren_ : why do you want to convert a rpm to deb ?
[08:35] <darren_> It just created a folder called gimp-2.2.4
[08:36] <thoreauputic_> and what's in the dir then?
[08:36] <darren_> Albacker, I want to install gimpshop but it's a rpm
[08:36] <darren_> another dir
[08:36] <Albacker> darren_ : cant you find it in deb ?
[08:37] <thoreauputic_> darren_: then there's probbly a script in it to start the gimp
[08:37] <thoreauputic_> but there should be a deb
[08:37] <thoreauputic_> darren_: did it throw any errors?
[08:37] <Albacker> I have gimp installed from apt-get !!
[08:38] <thoreauputic_> Albacker: no this is a new thing
[08:38] <darren_> Albacker, it's a hack for gimp to make it like photoshop
[08:38] <phoenixp3k> when I checked on the forums, people talk about 90 sec. booting time, so that is the only bug I' experiencing
[08:38] <kbrooks> Just upgraded to Hoary, but GDM won't start. The X server output, at the end, says 'no screens found'
[08:38] <Albacker> darren_ : cool than, I'll need it :D
[08:38] <kbrooks> Why?
[08:38] <Albacker> darren_ : since I couldnt make photoshop work in linux. I'd like to get it.
[08:39] <thoreauputic_> kbrooks: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:40] <mdz> abelli: yes, it is possible to install drivers on the live CD
[08:40] <abelli> mdz: thx :)
[08:40] <darren_> Albacker, if I get it working I'll send you the file and give you the instrcutions
[08:40] <Dalkus> I need to know, to enable direct rendering must i downloda the nvidia driver from nvidia.com? or will the apt-get nvidia-* packages suffice?
[08:40] <Albacker> me too : darren_
[08:41] <Quinn_Storm> Dalkus: you need to install linux-restricted-modules
[08:41] <Dalkus> I have
[08:41] <kbrooks> ok
[08:41] <kbrooks> now to restart
[08:41] <Quinn_Storm> Dalkus: okay, I don't know beyond that, someone else know?
[08:41] <darren_> thoreauputic_, Does alien take ages because it's hanging for me
[08:42] <rdw200169> Albacker: $sudo alien -d gimshop.rpm
[08:42] <Dalkus> rpm is installed in ubuntu
[08:42] <thoreauputic_> darren_: well, it doesn't usually, but it's kind of experimantal - see man alien
[08:42] <Albacker> rdw200169, what's alien
[08:42] <Tuxicity> Goshawk, set | less
[08:43] <Mestapheles> anyone having problems changing desktop wall paper with xfce4 on hoary?  No subcontextuals appear with right click on desktop.
[08:43] <thoreauputic_> Dalkus: using rpm in debian based distros is A Bad Thing (tm)
[08:43] <Albacker> alien is the software that converts rpm2deb
[08:43] <Dalkus> okok
[08:43] <kbrooks> ok
[08:43] <kbrooks> thx
[08:43] <kbrooks> back in gnome
[08:43] <mjg59> __moray: Afraid so (no idea when you said that)
[08:43] <Tjdw> hey guys. I have a problem upgrading to hoary
[08:43] <mjg59> Argh. Cocking irssi.
[08:44] <phobosanger> hello
[08:44] <p88> hi all
[08:44] <Dalkus> I'm having problems with my nvidia drivers, i get these errors alot:
[08:44] <Dalkus> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[08:44] <Dalkus> glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.
[08:44] <p88> are there people here who have used Fuse(Filesystem in USErspace) and know where and how to compile the module?
[08:44] <Dalkus> but my xorg.conf is setup fine, and all the nvidia packages are installed from the repository
[08:44] <Dalkus> what can i do...?
[08:44] <Echylo> damn, looks like the pope is dead :s
[08:45] <Tjdw> when i run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" it tells me I have a failed dependancy
[08:45] <effigy> the popes been dead for years
[08:45] <Tjdw> libgtksourceview-common
[08:45] <Tjdw> is the wrong version
[08:45] <p88> Echylo: indeed it starts looking like that
[08:45] <Tjdw> so it won't let me continue
[08:45] <Tjdw> and I'm stuck in a terminal
[08:45] <Tjdw> no X
[08:45] <Dalkus> remove that package then
[08:45] <phoenixp3k> he did is job well
[08:45] <Tjdw> but it won't let me remove it
[08:45] <p88> anyone with FUSE or GmailFS?
[08:45] <larsrohdin> which is the best graphical file-manager?
[08:45] <phoenixp3k> let the men die in peace
[08:45] <Dalkus> Tjdw, have you tried apt-get remove?
[08:46] <p88> larsrohdin: I like konqueror
[08:46] <thoreauputic_> larsrohdin: what is your favourite colour?
[08:46] <Tjdw> Dalkus: yes
[08:46] <p88> larsrohdin: it doesn't really matter though
[08:46] <larsrohdin> p88, im using fluxbox
[08:46] <Loufier> Question.. if u install KDE on ubuntu does it make it kubuntu or ubuntu with kde?
[08:46] <Tjdw> Dalkus: it tells me i have packages that rely on it
[08:46] <thoreauputic_> larsrohdin: rox-filer
[08:47] <Loufier> cuz i got ubuntu b4 i knew ther was one for kde <:)
[08:47] <Tjdw> Dalkus: gedit depends on that
[08:47] <Tjdw> and ubuntu-desktop depends on gedit
[08:47] <Tjdw> etc.
[08:47] <larsrohdin> thoreauputic_, yeah, i liked that, but it didn't work after a while...
[08:47] <Tuxicity> Loufier, it's practically the same
[08:47] <thoreauputic_> larsrohdin: ? Odd - works well here...
[08:47] <Loufier> yea but im just wondering if it changes the name at the start :PP
[08:47] <Tuxicity> Loufier, according to Kubuntu FAQ
[08:48] <Dalkus> Tjdw, so delete them too? you can always reinstall
[08:48] <larsrohdin> thoreauputic_, Failed to create symlink '/home/larsrohdin/.icons/ROX':
[08:48] <larsrohdin> File exists
[08:48] <Dalkus> use synaptic
[08:48] <p88> synaptic is nice
[08:48] <kbrooks> question
[08:48] <adobbie> dselect is where it's at :)
[08:48] <Loufier> Finally i burnt my ubuntu disc :P ^_^
[08:48] <thoreauputic_> larsrohdin: that isn't a rox problem - it's a bad ln command
[08:48] <Tjdw> well i can't remove gedit
[08:49] <Tjdw> because it depends on gedit-common, which depends on gedit
[08:49] <Loufier> after seven times of windows doing blue screens of bad_pool_error -_-'
[08:49] <Mestapheles> Tjdw: sudo apt-get -f install
[08:49] <larsrohdin> thoreauputic_, got that error after running apt-get upgrade... it worked perfect before
[08:49] <Tjdw> i don't know how that works, but it never dies
[08:49] <thoreauputic_> larsrohdin: so just delete the symlink and fix it
[08:49] <larsrohdin> thoreauputic_, whats that then?
[08:49] <Tjdw> Mestapheles: it won't let me run that. it has dependancy issues
[08:50] <Tjdw> it's a giant loop of dependancies
[08:50] <Tjdw> it won't let me remove gedit
[08:50] <thoreauputic_> larsrohdin: Failed to create symlink '/home/larsrohdin/.icons/ROX  << you can fix that link or delete it
[08:50] <Tuxicity> Loufier, good now put it in and blow Win away!
[08:50] <larsrohdin> ok, now it works=)
[08:51] <larsrohdin> thanks alot!
[08:51] <kbrooks> i want to change the look of ubuntu
[08:51] <thoreauputic_> larsrohdin: no worries
[08:51] <thoreauputic_> :)
[08:51] <Loufier> after i burn all my shit off this comp :(
[08:51] <Loufier> ARGH why do i have to have soo much crap to sort out
[08:51] <Loufier> =/
[08:52] <Tuxicity> "World Bank OKs Bush loyalist as its chief" --> April's Fool??
[08:52] <kbrooks> impossible
[08:52] <Loufier> hmmmn i wont need all these windows appz :P
[08:52] <kbrooks> april's fool ends at 12
[08:52] <kbrooks> noon
[08:53] <Tuxicity> haha
[08:53] <Loufier> Meh
[08:53] <Quinn_Storm> given what I've heard about the World Bank lately it sounds quite likely to be true
[08:54] <thoreauputic_> kbrooks: it might have escaped your attention that there are places in the world where it isn't noon yet...
[08:54] <Loufier> i have 200gb's of evertyhing to sort out -_-'
[08:54] <Loufier> damn adsl connection ^^
[08:54] <adobbie> Fri Apr  1 13:54:21 EST 2005
[08:54] <kbrooks> thoreauputic_, i know
[08:55] <Tuxicity> I dont know what is and what's not a joke on the WWW this morning... o_O
[08:56] <Tjdw> so no ideas on how to fix this?
[08:56] <kbrooks> fix what
[08:56] <kbrooks> i want to change the look of ubuntu?
[08:56] <effigy> i think every story on slashdot today is a joke
[08:56] <kbrooks> hiw do i do so
[08:57] <kbrooks> effigy, date
[08:57] <thoreauputic_> kbrooks: gnome-look.org
[08:57] <Loufier> wat i wana know is how im going get ubuntu workin with windows comps =/
[08:57] <Quinn_Storm> Tuxicity: welcome to the new age of hysteria here in idiot america (and by extension the rest of the world since america LOVES to throw its weight around)
[08:58] <abrs> My Via EPIA M doesn't give output with x.org's via driver .. common?
[08:58] <Quinn_Storm> <--- disgruntled american
[08:58] <rdw200169> <--- disgruntled american soldier
[08:59] <Tjdw> i'll come back later and ask
[08:59] <Tjdw> i have to go to class
[08:59] <Tjdw> peace
[08:59] <Tuxicity> peace indeed
[08:59] <Fackamato> If I edit my xorg.conf (hoary) to include resolutions up to 1600x1200 (I only have up to 1280x960 now), how can I make the virtual viewspace to 1280x960?
[08:59] <Quinn_Storm> I feel for you, rdw200169 .
[08:59] <Fackamato> Because if I select 1280x960, the virtual viewport is still 1600x1200 (max res found in xorg.conf )
[09:01] <BillEssig> I can't wait for Hoarty.  I can't download it because my connection is crap, and I get bad MD5's EVERY time.
[09:01] <BillEssig> I'll order a cd.
[09:01] <hitriko> hey guys, i'm rahter new to linux and don't know how to fix this mistake i'm getting while trying to install xine... does anyone want to see the message?
[09:01] <adobbie> BillEssig: dialup?
[09:01] <BillEssig> Anyone else have that problem with DSL
[09:01] <BillEssig> DSL
[09:01] <BillEssig> 1.5 Meg
[09:01] <Fackamato> 1.5 meg?
[09:02] <abrs> hitriko, /msg it
[09:02] <phobosanger> can someone here help me with Java installing one Konq.?
[09:02] <BillEssig> 1.5 meg DSL
[09:02] <Quinn_Storm> I think ubuntu is one of the better things to happen to linux in a long time...I mean all that money behind an organization that actually believes in a philosophy as open & free as the dfsg, that's pretty amazing.
[09:02] <Fackamato> doesn't matter what speed it is, does it?
[09:02] <BillEssig> No.
[09:02] <BillEssig> I assume not.
[09:02] <hitriko> root@Dikjio-San:/home/hitriko/Desktop/xine-lib-1-rc6a # ./configure
[09:02] <hitriko> checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
[09:02] <abrs> no
[09:02] <abrs> stop
[09:02] <hitriko> checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
[09:03] <hitriko> checking target system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
[09:03] <hitriko> checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
[09:03] <abrs> open a query please
[09:03] <hitriko> checking whether build environment is sane... yes
[09:03] <abrs> argh
[09:03] <hitriko> checking for gawk... no
[09:03] <hitriko> checking for mawk... mawk
[09:03] <hitriko> checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes
[09:03] <hitriko> checking for style of include used by make... GNU
[09:03] <thoreauputic_> hitriko: stop flooding and don't compile xine
[09:03] <hitriko> checking for gcc... no
[09:03] <hitriko> checking for cc... no
[09:03] <abrs> hitriko, close your client
[09:03] <hitriko> checking for cc... no
[09:03] <BillEssig> JUST GET IT IN SYNAPTIC!
[09:03] <hitriko> checking for cl... no
[09:03] <hitriko> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[09:03] <hitriko> See `config.log' for more details.
[09:03] <hitriko> sorry -_-;
[09:03] <hitriko> :(
[09:03] <thoreauputic_> hitriko: stop it NOW
[09:03] <Tuxicity> LOL
[09:03] <hitriko> i did
[09:03] <abrs> argh
[09:03] <hitriko> i'm not pasting anything anymore!
[09:04] <abrs> thanks
[09:04] <Quinn_Storm> hitriko: to fix the problem you have, apt-get install build-essential
[09:04] <hitriko> sorry...
[09:04] <thoreauputic_> hitriko: you've succeeded in annoying the whole channel for nothing
[09:04] <Quinn_Storm> thoreauputic_: it could have been an accident
[09:04] <thoreauputic_> Quinn_Storm: no, he should apt-get install xine
[09:04] <thoreauputic_> not compile it
[09:04] <Quinn_Storm> thoreauputic_: ah, he's trying to compile xine? yeah he should install it via apt
[09:04] <hitriko> thoreauputic: i'm sorry dude
[09:05] <Quinn_Storm> thoreauputic_: I didn't look at what he was compiling
[09:05] <thoreauputic_> hitriko:  just do sudo apt-get install xine
[09:05] <thoreauputic_> hitriko: it's OK - I guess you won't be doing *that* again ;-)
[09:05] <BillEssig> (Synaptic maby?) Just a thought.
[09:06] <hitriko> thoreauputic: i won't
[09:06] <Loufier> ARGH i hate windows... fuckin up like abitch :((
[09:06] <BillEssig> Yea
[09:06] <thoreauputic_> hitriko: as a guide, always check to see if a package is available in synaptic, or use apt
[09:06] <BillEssig> Loufier: I BSOD daily. 0XCA 0x01, bitchy hardware PDO ID errors.
[09:06] <thoreauputic_> hitriko: you'll need extra repositories
[09:06] <rodnarms> that april fools login splash is horrible ;)
[09:07] <abrs> i'm explaining it to him
[09:07] <Tuxicity> Loufier, I luv your freedom of expression, LOL
[09:07] <thoreauputic_> hitriko: read this >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:07] <darren_> How to I extract a .tbz?
[09:07] <abrs> tar xjf
[09:08] <abrs> tar xjf <file>
[09:08] <abrs> or use fileroller
[09:08] <hitriko> k
[09:08] <hitriko> thoreauputic: i'll see f i can get this to work -_-;
[09:08] <BillEssig> abrs: WINZIP!!!!! (It will come for you in the night)
[09:08] <abrs> BillEssig: ?
[09:08] <Loufier> owell ill have ubuntu installed soon :)
[09:08] <BillEssig> My friend asked? So in this linux, can you use winzip? Should explain
[09:09] <thoreauputic_> hitriko: if you follow that link and do as it says, it *will* work
[09:09] <Loufier> lolz
[09:09] <Loufier> why do u want to use WINZIP!
[09:09] <Loufier> for Linux
[09:09] <Loufier> ^^
[09:09] <BillEssig> Hes a little off.
[09:09] <Loufier> WINZIP FOR LINUX ^^
[09:09] <thoreauputic_> BillEssig: funnily enough, the command is `zip` *grin*
[09:10] <thoreauputic_> and unzip of course...
[09:10] <BillEssig> lol
[09:10] <Loufier> hahaha, i rember someone wanting to make mirc run on linux ^^
[09:10] <BillEssig> yea
[09:10] <georges> hi. anyone using transcode on hoary?
[09:10] <ulisse> hi all
[09:10] <Mestapheles> Tjdw: can you do a apt-get upgrade first, then either apt-get -f install or apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[09:10] <thoreauputic_> Linzip??  hahah
[09:10] <Dalkus> Mestapheles, yeah
[09:10] <rayde> ew i don't even use winzip in windows.... winrar is where it's at
[09:11] <Dalkus> do apt-get update first i think
[09:11] <BillEssig> Linspire... Augh. Hate it.
[09:11] <Dalkus> then upgrade, then dist-upgrade
[09:11] <BillEssig> Linzip...
[09:11] <Mestapheles> that's how I got thru it
[09:11] <Tuxicity> OpenZiper, LOL!
[09:11] <ulisse> I remember in the first days of hoary I had a tool similar to partitionmagic in the menu...
[09:12] <ulisse> what is the name of that tool?
[09:12] <thoreauputic_> FreeBSDipperZip !
[09:12] <Mestapheles> if there are anythings that were not warty released software now is the time to remove it aswell
[09:12] <thoreauputic_> ulisse: gparted or qtparted
[09:13] <ulisse> thoreauputic_, is it still somewhere in hoary?
[09:13] <PD> i installed tuxracer for the first time ever, its nice, bu does that have a sound in ti
[09:13] <PD> *it
[09:13] <thoreauputic_> ulisse: you can install it I guess - I'm on Warty here
[09:13] <Cube-ness> does anybody YET know of why some computers (seems to be newer machines with SATA) get a kernel panic, oops, failed to sync type error on any kernel newer than 2.6.8?
[09:13] <hohlraum> how did the Ubuntu guys get mr. clean to pose for that picture?
[09:13] <Cube-ness> its a hotplug issue
[09:14] <Cube-ness> something in the hotplug startup causes it to bail
[09:14] <zenrox> PD,  yes esd has to be enabled for sound
[09:14] <PD> zenrox: can you brief a little bit about esd
[09:14] <zenrox> pd your system sounds
[09:14] <PD> zenrox: how do i enable it
[09:15] <PD> yeah my systtem sounds working fine
[09:15] <ulisse> thoreauputic_, I think it was something about gnome-system-tools, 'cause it was in the menu by default...
[09:15] <zenrox> system -> settings ->sound
[09:15] <ulisse> I'll try gparted
[09:15] <darren_> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[09:15] <darren_> See `config.log' for more details.
[09:15] <darren_> What can I do to fix that problem?
[09:15] <PD> zenrox: come to think of it just now I tried my system sounds are not working
[09:15] <zenrox> darren_,  do a sudo apt-get build-essential
[09:16] <zenrox> then try compiling
[09:16] <PD> zenrox: i dont hear any sounds when I do tab tab and all that
[09:16] <kbrooks> ;)
[09:16] <darren_> thanks zenrox
[09:16] <zenrox> pd enable the sound server  and restart gnome
[09:16] <zenrox> be prepared to chage vol quickly
[09:17] <nydust> strange even when root are anable i cant login to webmin
[09:17] <PD> zenrox:  where do i restart the sound server
[09:17] <zenrox> pd system -> settings ->sound
[09:17] <LeeJunFan> nydust: webmin has it's own passwd file /etc/webmin/miniserv.users
[09:18] <nydust> LeeJunFan, by default it use the root password
[09:18] <LeeJunFan> nydust: copy your root passwd from /etc/shadow and past it in the webmin one.
[09:18] <LeeJunFan> nydust: when you install it. It copies what you have but it doesn't use the /etc/shadow file.
[09:18] <Fackamato> If I edit my xorg.conf (hoary) to include resolutions up to 1600x1200 (I only have up to 1280x960 now), how can I make the virtual viewspace to 1280x960?
[09:18] <Fackamato> Because if I select 1280x960, the virtual viewport is still 1600x1200 (max res found in xorg.conf )
[09:20] <nydust> LeeJunFan, still dosent work
[09:21] <nydust> this is strange
[09:21] <Keizer> Damn
[09:21] <Keizer> I built Java according to the guide on ubuntu guide
[09:21] <Keizer> But I don't think it installed ODBC
[09:21] <Keizer> I need ODBC so I can connect to MySQL with Java.
[09:22] <kbrooks> Keizer, it didn't
[09:22] <Keizer> Ouch >_<
[09:22] <Keizer> Tell me, how can I get it wise one with the force.
[09:22] <kbrooks> .....
[09:22] <kbrooks> dude.
[09:22] <Keizer> =)
[09:22] <LeeJunFan> nydust: /etc/init.d/webmin restart
[09:22] <nydust> done
[09:22] <Keizer> Webmin sucks >_<
[09:22] <Keizer> SSH rules
[09:23] <nydust> LeeJunFan, I MA INN
[09:23] <nydust> THANKS
[09:23] <LeeJunFan> nydust: yer welcome
[09:24] <effigy> what do i have to add to sources.list to get marillat(sp?)
[09:24] <rumpelstiltskin> leejunfan: whats more disgustung than that...?
[09:24] <thoreauputic_> effigy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:24] <thoreauputic_> that tells you all :)
[09:24] <LeeJunFan> rumpelstiltskin: look what's walking down the sidewalk - that's what.
[09:26] <rumpelstiltskin> passwd
[09:26] <rumpelstiltskin> oops
[09:27] <Keizer> Is it possible to build Java ODBC into Ubuntu?
[09:27] <Keizer> Can I use java-package src.rpm to build from a .bin JDK?
[09:28] <jnc> note,  that april 1st fools day image is hilarious
[09:28] <jnc> and awesome
[09:28] <jnc> who is the shoe? (person whom took the picture i presume)
[09:29] <hitriko> Does anyone know if i can download templates for openoffice?
[09:29] <nydust> LeeJunFan, maybe you know why webmin dont let me remote login? i have told it to allow all hosts
[09:29] <libben> This means that besides the actual upgrade of the packages some further action (such as installing or removing packages) is required.
[09:29] <effigy> that restrictedformats page dosnt tell me what i need to do for hoary
[09:29] <libben> Please use Synaptic "Smart Upgrade" or "apt-get dist-upgrade" to fix the situation.
[09:30] <cavediver> Anyone experencing problem with x64 Hoary in Gnome. I'm having trouble opening many applications at one time. The first one opens ok, but the other are just placed in the panel.
[09:30] <libben> what do they mean...
[09:30] <effigy> i go in synaptic to add custom line then do "eb ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable main" but it dosnt work
[09:30] <hawke_> effigy: "eb"?
[09:30] <effigy> deb
[09:30] <randabis> DEB not eb
[09:31] <effigy> yeah, typo
[09:31] <CarlK> "Ubunto device database" does an audio test that plays a .wav - any one knoe what the filename is?
[09:31] <hawke_> effigy: I ran into that too.
[09:31] <randabis> did you apt-get update after making the change effigy?
[09:31] <hawke_> effigy: I think it actually does add it.
[09:31] <Keizer> CarlK, Java, why does Ubuntu not have?
[09:31] <Keizer> I can build JDK for RHEL no problem
[09:31] <hawke_> effigy: try closing synaptic and looking at /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:31] <Keizer> But Ubuntu, need something to build source from
[09:31] <randabis> Keizer: no java because it isn't GPL iirc
[09:31] <Keizer> So I can make .debs and install java ODBC
[09:31] <Keizer> OMG
[09:32] <randabis> you can use java package
[09:32] <Amaranth> Keizer: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:32] <Keizer> There's gotta be a way around it.
[09:32] <effigy> well when it goes to update the package indexes it gives me an error saying it cant get them all
[09:32] <effigy> p://ftp.nerim.net/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[09:32] <effigy> hmm
[09:32] <Keizer> randabis, I'm going to take the leep.
[09:32] <randabis> Keizer: just use java-package to make debs from the .bin
[09:32] <hawke_> effigy: But I think it should be 'deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main'
[09:33] <hawke_> effigy: In any case, it just changes /etc/apt/sources.list, so that's the file to look at.
[09:33] <Keizer> randabis, Okie doke
[09:33] <nydust> out with debian inn with ubuntu on my server ;)
[09:33] <effigy> okie, i shall try that
[09:34] <thoreauputic_> effigy: the sources on the wiki are correct - maybe you got the syntax slightly wrong?
[09:34] <thoreauputic_> effigy: ubuntuguide.org has the sources as well
[09:35] <LeeJunFan> nydust: sorry - at work. got called away.
[09:35] <nydust> LeeJunFan, maybe you know why webmin dont let me remote login? i have told it to allow all hosts
[09:35] <hawke_> thoreauputic_: if the wiki says just ftp.nerim.net it's wrong.
[09:35] <effigy> yeah i added the /debian-marillat/ and i got rid of the first error
[09:35] <hawke_> thoreauputic_: http://debian.video.free.fr/
[09:35] <effigy> now i get this:
[09:35] <effigy> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[09:35] <thoreauputic_> hawke_: it doesn't
[09:35] <hawke_> effigy: that's just a warning
[09:35] <effigy> alright
[09:35] <LeeJunFan> nydust: did you edit miniserv.conf?
[09:36] <LeeJunFan> nydust: allow=127.0.0.1
[09:36] <nydust> LeeJunFan, yeah
[09:36] <nydust> i have loged inn and enabled allow all hosts
[09:36] <nydust> but cant get inn
[09:36] <LeeJunFan> have you tried since you restarted it?
[09:36] <nydust> yeah
[09:36] <nydust> still i cant login
[09:37] <thoreauputic_> hawke_: I used the sources from the wiki on warty and they were fine - can't speak for hoary
[09:37] <Keizer> How can I find out what files exactly that apt installed for a package so I can execute and make .deb files
[09:37] <phoenixp3k> Hello! I can't install gFTP
[09:37] <ulisse> I have no more sounds in xchat! folder ~/.xchat2/sounds doesn't exists! Why?
[09:37] <ssbob> who would I need to bribe to get the copy into ram feature back into the Live CD?
[09:38] <LeeJunFan> nydust: I dunno. I haven't tried logging into mine from remote yet :)
[09:38] <phoenixp3k>  gftp-gtk (= 2.0.17-6) mais 2.0.17-6ubuntu0.2 needed
[09:38] <phoenixp3k> how am I supposed to update just this package?
[09:39] <libben> Please use Synaptic "Smart Upgrade" or "apt-get dist-upgrade" to fix the situation. //// I dont understand... i did sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and it still complains...
[09:39] <libben> how do i use synaptic smart upgrade. cant find that option in syn
[09:40] <kbrooks> i have a question about xnest
[09:40] <nydust> LeeJunFan, it works now thanks
 ok
 i have a question about xnest
 it wont start gnome. why
[09:41] <Tuxicity> libben, Settings-->Preferences-->System Upgrade
[09:41] <kbrooks> anyone
[09:41] <thoreauputic_> kbrooks: are you starting it from command line? what command are you using?
[09:42] <kbrooks> Xnest :1
[09:42] <Jimbob> kbrooks: Try "gdmflexiserver -n"
[09:42] <Keizer> randabis, What's the filename to execute java-package?
[09:42] <thoreauputic_> kbrooks: try  Xnest -ac :1
[09:42] <kbrooks> Jimbob, wow thx
[09:43] <kbrooks> f***
[09:44] <kbrooks> Jimbob: cant type anything
[09:44] <Jimbob> Try explicitly clicking in the entry?
[09:45] <kbrooks> failled
[09:45] <ulisse> could someone type my name, pls? Just to test if sound works in xchat...
[09:45] <thoreauputic_> ulisse:
[09:45] <ulisse> thanks, sound not working...
[09:45] <Jimbob> hmm
[09:46] <kbrooks> ulisse
[09:46] <Xira> ulisse
[09:46] <kbrooks> ulisse
[09:46] <kbrooks> :P
[09:46] <Jimbob> kbrooks: beats me
[09:46] <Jimbob> lol
[09:46] <ulisse> Thanks a lot!
[09:46] <awb4422> is there a way to add a user to the sudo'ers group?
[09:46] <ssbob> awb4422: visudo as root
[09:46] <thoreauputic_> awb4422: visudo
[09:46] <awb4422> oh cool, thanks!
[09:47] <awb4422> when i build mythtv, the mythtv user is added, but it is not in the sudo group, and it doesnt have /bin/bash as the shell..so i want to manually change those
[09:47] <ulisse> Type it again!
[09:47] <Tuxicity> ulisse,
[09:47] <Jimbob> ulisse: We aren't your monkeys. :-P
[09:48] <ulisse> again no sound... mmmh :-(
[09:48] <Keizer> LMAO
[09:48] <bretze1> thoreauputic_: About visudo "as root" I did sudo su; then visudo but I even don;t see my username in the file ... What am I missing ?
[09:48] <Keizer> Is it safe to use sudo make-jpkg?
[09:49] <Keizer> I used fakeroot, it installs but gives tons of permission denied errors.
[09:49] <Sjoq> hello all
[09:49] <thoreauputic_> bretze1: odd - your name should be there
[09:49] <effigy> what the best music sharing program for gnome?
[09:50] <ssbob> bretze1: you're probably in the admin group, which should be there
[09:50] <Keizer> effigy, I like LimeWire
[09:50] <Keizer> SAMBA is good if you're in a dorm LOL
[09:50] <Sjoq> can ubuntu linux handle centrino technology
[09:50] <effigy> thanks, ill try it
[09:50] <Keizer> If the Kernel can handle it Ubuntu can
[09:50] <Sjoq> hmm..i wonder then a lot
[09:50] <accuser> Sjoq, works on my laptop - dell inspiron 510m
[09:50] <Sjoq> cause i want to install it on my laptop
[09:50] <Keizer> effigy, I think the Kernel 2.6 will handle it well
[09:51] <bretze1> thoreauputic_ nope... strange... /etc/sudoers has only "root    ALL=(ALL) ALL" and then "%admin  ALL=(ALL) ALL" (???)
[09:51] <Sjoq> okay kewl accuser
[09:51] <Tuxicity> effigy, see ubuntuguide.org for Limewire
[09:51] <Keizer> I'm running Ubuntu on this laptop.
[09:51] <bretze1> admin group :-)
[09:51] <Sjoq> kewl kewl :)
[09:51] <Keizer> Got a nice wireless status indicator, battery life indicator and all the fluff
[09:51] <darren_> Why does xmms crash everytime I try to play an mp3? (Hoary)
[09:51] <rumpelstiltskin> LeeJunFan, you smell
[09:51] <rumpelstiltskin> LeeJunFan, of semen
[09:51] <Sjoq> i'll run it then on my asus m6727 laptop
[09:51] <bretze1> DUH!!!!!!!!!
[09:51] <kbrede> Sjoq, whoary works fine with my centrino on a dell 8600
[09:52] <bretze1> ...yes I am :-/
[09:52] <LeeJunFan> rumpelstiltskin: glad you know what that smells like - care explaining how you are so familiar with that smell?
[09:52] <Sjoq> kewl kbrede
[09:52] <rumpelstiltskin> LeeJunFan, no... not really.... hehe
[09:52] <Keizer> darren_, esd problem
[09:52] <LeeJunFan> rumpelstiltskin: this is a family ch by the way.
[09:52] <Sjoq> good to hear that people support the company i work for
[09:52] <Keizer> Hah
[09:53] <Keizer> Dell?
[09:53] <rumpelstiltskin> LeeJunFan: good for it
[09:53] <Sjoq> yup
[09:53] <Keizer> I work for a retail company
[09:53] <darren_> Keizer, can you explain?
[09:53] <Sjoq> i do the Dell Technical Support for dimension desktops and inspiron notebooks here in the benelux
[09:53] <accuser> Sjoq, 510m rocks
[09:54] <Sjoq> shared video memory sucks
[09:54] <accuser> lol
[09:54] <Keizer> darren_, esd is being a pain in hoary
[09:54] <Sjoq> would rather have the 8600
[09:54] <kbrooks> esd? wtf
[09:54] <darren_> What's esd?
[09:54] <Sjoq> or 9300
[09:54] <Keizer> eSound
[09:54] <darren_> Is there a fix?
[09:54] <Keizer> darren_, ps aux|grep esd
[09:54] <Sjoq> dell is soon going to bring out some very cheap notebooks :)
[09:54] <Keizer> Kill -15 esdpid and your MP3s will work
[09:54] <hohlraum> esd == satan
[09:54] <accuser> Sjoq, i wanted a light but powerful box - 510m is perfect. all my clients drool over it
[09:55] <Sjoq> kewl kewl accuser
[09:55] <Sjoq> i love my asus :)
[09:55] <darren_> darren@Sesame-Street:~$ ps aux|grep esd
[09:55] <darren_> darren    6402  0.0  0.8   5324  4028 ?        S    18:07   0:06 /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps
[09:55] <darren_> darren    4070  0.0  0.1   2908   552 pts/0    R+   20:54   0:00 grep esd
[09:55] <Keizer> I want to make an uber box with a cube case
[09:55] <accuser> Sjoq, careful how you type that
[09:55] <blawson> I am having problems with my Inspiron 8600 and suspend to ram, I can get it to work using the nv video drivers, but when I use the nvidia drivers I am unable to resume. I wouldnt mind just using the nv drivers, but the perfornace is absolutly terrible with them. Is there anyway I can get the nvidia drivers working?
[09:55] <Keizer> darren_, The top one
[09:55] <Sjoq> hehehehe :D
[09:55] <darren_> Keizer, what do I do?
[09:56] <bretze1> About xfce4 - xkb layout switcher pluggin: How/where can I add another layout ? see no hints in /etc/... nor in docs ...?
[09:56] <accuser> Sjoq, i've been running hoary live cd on my laptop without problems. wating for a contract to finish, then installing for real
[09:56] <Sjoq> hehehehe
[09:56] <thoreauputic_> darren_: kill the pid by number
[09:56] <josue> hi, anyone knows if there's a .deb package for openoffice 2.0beta available?
[09:56] <|QuaD-> josue: yeah... in universe
[09:57] <Keizer> darren_, Like thoreauputic_ said
[09:57] <darren_> thoreauputic_, Do I have to do that everytime I want to play an mp3?
[09:57] <Keizer> darren_, Only for that session
[09:57] <Keizer> After you reboot your computer you'll have to do it again
[09:57] <Keizer> Unless
[09:57] <thoreauputic_> darren_: no once it's deed it stays dead :)
[09:57] <thoreauputic_> *dead
[09:57] <Keizer> You select your output plugin to be eSound
[09:58] <ulisse> ok, now sound is working.
[09:58] <Keizer> If your output plugin is set for eSound theoretically it would work.
[09:58] <cyklus> Using a Thinkpad im having problems with unusually high power drain on my battery.. after installing ubuntu i only get about 30min battery life... vs. 2 hours before... any help appriciated?
[09:58] <darren_> Keizer, how would I do that?
[09:58] <ulisse> Thanks to all.
[09:58] <Keizer> LOL
[09:58] <Kamakazie> anyone tried ntold Legends?
[09:58] <Keizer> darren_, kill -15 esdpid
[09:58] <Keizer> darren_, You don't know which one is the eSound Process ID (esdpid)
[09:59] <thoreauputic_> darren_: you can set the xmms output plugin in the prefs foe xmms
[09:59] <Keizer> darren_, Try out Beep-Media-Player
[09:59] <Keizer> I recommend Beep-Media-Player to everyone
[10:00] <Keizer> It's a sweet player that supports Winamp skins
[10:00] <Keizer> It's awesome
[10:00] <thoreauputic_> Keizer: I liked it at first - but I find xmms more reliable here
[10:00] <darren_> Same as xmms
[10:00] <Sjoq> when is hoary coming out/
[10:00] <|QuaD-> Sjoq: april 6 i believe
[10:00] <scizzo> Sjoq: in April sometime
[10:00] <Sjoq> kewl
[10:00] <darren_> The output plugin is OSS DRiver 1.2.10 [libOSS.so] 
[10:00] <Tuxicity> somebody said april 8
[10:01] <Keizer> thoreauputic_, too bad, beep-media-player is a champ on my 1.6Ghz 256MB RAM box.
[10:01] <Sjoq> i wonder..shall i install warty or not
[10:01] <thoreauputic_> darren_: so change the plugin
[10:01] <Keizer> LOL
[10:01] <Keizer> I like using OSS
[10:01] <|QuaD-> Sjoq: whatever you want :)
[10:01] <darren_> I changed it to ALSA
[10:01] <scizzo>  April 8th: Hoary Hedgehog Final
[10:01] <Sjoq> lol
[10:02] <scizzo> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[10:02] <dabeej> ummm
[10:02] <Sjoq> need user opinions :D
[10:02] <darren_> Anyone know where I can get the w32codecs deb package?
[10:02] <dabeej> ubuntu april fools joke?
[10:02] <thoreauputic_> Keizer: yes, it's odd - beep tends to freeze where xmms doesn't - haven't found the problem yet
[10:02] <darren_> ok
[10:02] <Mirv> my eyeeeeeeeees.. noooo.. shouldn't have done anything with hoary today :)
[10:02] <dabeej> Mirv, what i said =)
[10:03] <thoreauputic_> darren_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:03] <darren_> thanks once again thoreauputic_  :P
[10:03] <Keizer> thoreauputic_, beep-media-player is awesome
[10:04] <Keizer> Install Hoary, Warty is old
[10:04] <Keizer> I think java-package did it
[10:04] <thoreauputic_> Keizer: so everyone says - to me it looks just like xmms except for the menus
[10:04] <Mr-Petah> hi
[10:04] <thoreauputic_> Keizer: it even uses the same skins
[10:05] <Mr-Petah> question: how to add a new source to apt-get?
[10:05] <Mr-Petah> :s
[10:05] <thoreauputic_> Keizer: I must have missed omething
[10:05] <Keizer> thoreauputic_, It's the pwn
[10:05] <darren_> Mr-Petah,  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[10:05] <tjmaster> hello
[10:05] <thoreauputic_> Keizer: why? What's so much better about it?
[10:05] <tjmaster> hola
[10:06] <bobesponja> if I make my /dev/hda5 bootable (with cfdisk) will that wipe out all the data on it?
[10:06] <Keizer> thoreauputic_, It's awesome, supports Winamp skins
[10:06] <Mr-Petah> hola / hi
[10:06] <Keizer> And it looks like winamp
[10:06] <Keizer> Like Windows was my home
[10:06] <Keizer> Now Linux is my home
[10:06] <thoreauputic_> Keizer: so does xmms
[10:06] <Keizer> Like i've got a little piece of windows with me =D
[10:06] <Keizer> XMMS is too old for me man
[10:06] <Keizer> I used it years ago, I like to see new projects like BMP
[10:06] <tjmaster> alguien habla espanol
[10:06] <tjmaster> ?
[10:06] <thoreauputic_> Keizer: it sounds the same :-)
[10:06] <Mr-Petah> darren_, ok, $ sudo deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse   ????????
[10:06] <kay> hello, i think i need to mix Ubuntu with Debian
[10:07] <Tuxicity> tjmaster, #ubuntu-es
[10:07] <thoreauputic_> Keizer: which is the test for a sound app, No?
[10:07] <tjmaster> gracias
[10:07] <darren_> Mr-Petah, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543
[10:07] <Tuxicity> tjmaster, no problemo
[10:07] <kay> can it be done, I have seen that in this case, packages with same name, but different sizes confuse apt
[10:07] <Mr-Petah> yo, pero aqui solo ingles ;)
[10:07] <Mr-Petah> darren, tnx ;)
[10:07] <Keizer> thoreauputic_, I only use BMP now.
[10:07] <kay> I only want to install gcc4-0 from them
[10:08] <Mr-Petah> i go to read, back now
[10:08] <thoreauputic_> kay: don't mix debian with ubuntu Bad Things 9tm) can happen
[10:08] <Keizer> Caused by: java.sql.SQLException: Data source rejected establishment of connection,  message from server: "Host 'localhost.localdomain' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server" -- Pain
[10:08] <thoreauputic_> heh (tm)
[10:08] <GNAM> wow a short topic incredible
[10:08] <Mr-Petah> ok, but only have this: deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/
[10:08] <kbrooks> kay: .....
[10:09] <Mr-Petah> :s
[10:09] <kay> kbrooks: yes? :)
[10:09] <blawson>  I am having problems with my Inspiron 8600 and suspend to ram, I can get it to work using the nv video drivers, but when I use the nvidia drivers I am unable to resume. I wouldnt mind just using the nv drivers, but the performance is absolutly terrible with them. Is there anyway I can get the nvidia drivers working?
[10:10] <Keizer> blawson, How did you install? init 3 and run their sh script?
[10:11] <blawson> Keizer: I installed it with the Nvidia .run file from Nvidia's site, also I tried it through apt-get, neither worked
[10:11] <blawson> the nvidia drivers work, just not with suspending
[10:11] <darren_> thoreauputic_, I can't find any info on w32codecs
[10:11] <massimiliano> hello to all...i am italian....excuse for my english but i have a problem with my hoary...
[10:11] <Keizer> blawson, Search Google for NVIDIA suspend mode or something like that.
[10:12] <Keizer> NVIDIA Linux Suspend mode
[10:12] <nydust> where are the mysql lib?
[10:12] <nydust> and mysql database dir?
[10:12] <Keizer> nydust, /var/
[10:12] <thoreauputic_> darren_: if you have those repositories, you can just apt-get install them
[10:12] <massimiliano> i have the problems with the change of icons in hoary
[10:12] <Keizer> nydust, You installing php with --with-mysql=/var/lib/ ?
[10:12] <darren_> thoreauputic_, I've added them but can't find it
[10:12] <blawson> Ok, i'll give that a shot, I've been looking through forums for something similar but havent found any answers
[10:12] <massimiliano> There is someone that can help me?
[10:13] <nydust> Keizer, i did apt-get install
[10:13] <Keizer> blawson, The NVIDIA forum may have them
[10:13] <thoreauputic_> darren_: apt-cache search w32codecs
[10:13] <Keizer> nydust, sudo locate -u
[10:13] <Keizer> nydust, Then do locate mysql.h
[10:14] <thoreauputic_> darren_: have you reloaded or done sudo apt-get update?
[10:15] <nydust> Keizer, i get no such file or dir
[10:15] <Keizer> nydust, I'll have your answer in a sec
[10:15] <darren_> thoreauputic_,  I've reloaded
[10:16] <Echylo> hmm I get next error :configure: error: Unable to find scrnsaver.h.  You probably need to install XFree86 development packages
[10:16] <Echylo> what do I need to install
[10:16] <Echylo> I have xorg btw
[10:16] <ruisoto> hey someone knows about a change in the login screen, i see some guys imitating the three holding persons
[10:16] <thoreauputic_> darren_: what does  apt-cache search w32codecs say?
[10:16] <ruisoto> is this a hack, aprils fool day or what_
[10:16] <Echylo> ruisoto that's the ubuntu logo, probably a april fools, by the development team
[10:16] <Keizer> nydust, I believe I installed with apt-get as well
[10:16] <thoreauputic_> ruisoto: what do you think?
[10:17] <ruisoto> i dont know...
[10:17] <darren_> thoreauputic_, nothing
[10:17] <ruisoto> looks weird
[10:17] <ruisoto> im scared
[10:17] <darren_> apt-get install w32codes gives this:
[10:17] <darren_> Package w32codecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:17] <darren_> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:17] <darren_> is only available from another source
[10:17] <darren_> E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate
[10:17] <nydust> Keizer, its in /var/lib/mysql i found it
[10:17] <Echylo> anyway knows what the xfree86 development packages are? I need to solve this configure: error: Unable to find scrnsaver.h.  You probably need to install XFree86 development packages ?
[10:17] <thoreauputic_> darren_: you've made a mistake of some kind
[10:17] <Keizer> nydust, LOL that's what I said from the beginning
[10:17] <ruisoto> so it is aprils fool day thing_
[10:17] <Keizer> Good job
[10:17] <darren_> thoreauputic_, I added the marilliat repos like it said
[10:17] <thoreauputic_> darren_: if you have the marillat repos, the codecs are there
[10:17] <nydust> darren_, apt-get didnt work for me.. use synaptic and search for it
[10:18] <darren_> nydust, I have
[10:19] <thoreauputic_> darren_: what does ` sudo apt-get install w32codecs` say?
[10:19] <dabugas> hi
[10:19] <nydust> darren_, ;) thanks
[10:19] <dabugas> what do i need to paly wavs?
[10:19] <dabugas> paly=play
[10:20] <thoreauputic_> dabugas: have you tried? Any music player can handle wav ...
[10:21] <dabugas> thoreauputic: i know! :) xmms and sound-recorder just ignore me when i press play, although i can hear mp3s, oggs and whatnot
[10:21] <thoreauputic_> dabugas: or even type `  aplay  <name of wav file>
[10:22] <LittleWashu> Have you guys heard about it yet?
[10:23] <darren_> thoreauputic_,  I had to add the repos through terminal, synaptic wasn't adding properly
[10:23] <LittleWashu> Cuz I've been hearing a little this and that about Ubuntu having a kernal panic attack. Could you tell me is true and if I have one what the fuck should I do?
[10:23] <dabugas> thoreauputic: aplay works!
[10:23] <thoreauputic_> darren_: ah - interesting...
[10:24] <thoreauputic_> dabugas: try changing the output plugin to alsa then
[10:24] <thoreauputic_> in xmms
[10:24] <kbrooks> ok
[10:24] <kbrooks> ummm. i gtg
[10:24] <jagera27> can someone tell me from which folder i need to extract/install latest firefox to make it clickable from the top toolbar icon, please
[10:25] <dabugas> thoreauputic: esd, alsa & oss (the last of which was what i was using) don't work...
[10:25] <dabugas> thoreauputic: could it be something to do with gnome's esd daemon? or am i just talking nonsense? :)
[10:26] <thoreauputic_> jagera27: it doesn't matter as long as you type the fukk path to the firefox script in the command field of your custom launcher
[10:26] <thoreauputic_> dabugas: it could be indeed
[10:26] <thoreauputic_> dabugas: are you  on hoary ?
[10:27] <thoreauputic_> jagera27: oops  s/fukk/full ;-)
[10:27] <thoreauputic_> nice typo ...
[10:27] <jagera27> ta, at the moment it just says 'firefox', i'll try the full path, thanks
[10:27] <tenz> hi
[10:28] <thoreauputic_> jagera27: or make a symlink in /usr/local/bin
[10:28] <dabugas> thoreauputic: more or less ;) i've half-updated from warty which is probably why i have various problems like this :)
[10:28] <thoreauputic_> dabugas: could well be
[10:28] <dabugas> thoreauputic: anyway i killed the esd daemon and it still doesn't work from xmms w/ oss, but is playing on aplay
[10:29] <tenz> has anybody installed "Ardour" (soundcreation programm) on Ubuntu hoary?
[10:29] <dabugas> thoreauputic: well, what sort of thing would i still have to update to get fscking gnome to work properly? :)
[10:29] <thoreauputic_> dabugas: that way it oes direct to alsa
[10:29] <dabugas> thoreauputic: which way?
[10:29] <thoreauputic_> dabugas: dunno really - I'm still using warty :)
[10:29] <thoreauputic_> dabugas: aplay is alsa player
[10:30] <libben> my webcam got identified.... what program to check the feed?
[10:30] <dabugas> thoreauputic: well, the alsa doesn't work in xmms
[10:30] <thoreauputic_> dabugas: hmmm
[10:31] <thoreauputic_> dabugas: I quite often just play music from the cli with e.g. mpg321 *.mp3
[10:31] <thoreauputic_> dabugas: not pretty but quick and practical
[10:32] <dabugas> i don't use that many wavs and since aplay works, i'm okay
[10:32] <thoreauputic_> dabugas: I guess aplay would do that too (play the whole dir - if you need it)
[10:32] <dabugas> but switching to linux for me (because i do have the occasional digression into windows) is all about FREAKING WORKING! :)
[10:32] <dabugas> it's just one wav i wanted to listen to, no problem :)
[10:33] <dabugas> just wish xmms behaved :)
[10:33] <thoreauputic_> dabugas: sound and multimedia are tricky areas in linux because of patents and restrictions
[10:33] <libben> my webcam got identified.... what program to check the feed?
[10:33] <tenz> has anybody installed "Ardour" (soundcreation programm) on Ubuntu hoary? (I think I have a problem with "jack")
[10:34] <dabugas> thoreauputic: i know. i'm still pretty useless but i've been with linux for many years. i remember when usb was a new thing :)
[10:34] <dabugas> and even further back, although i don't actually remember that much (frustrated nights-hair pulling-you kind of regress all that)
[10:34] <kkathman> greetings all :)
[10:34] <thoreauputic_> dabugas: laddy, I programmed in fortran on an IBM 360 with punch-cards ;)
[10:35] <dabugas> thoreauputic: i'm not showing off my age; i was simply trying to say i've seen tougher times in linux. i used lynx regularly for chrissakes :)
[10:35] <kkathman> thoreauputic_, no kidding...you and I belong to the same era I think :)
[10:36] <thoreauputic_> kkathman: I've forgotten everything, unfortunately ;-)
[10:36] <kkathman> thoreauputic_, I started in high school learning fortran on a timeshare TTY with paper tape :)
[10:36] <dabugas> thoreauputic: my first machine was an amstrad that used a TAPE RECORDER. I'm an english paper. I like paper. I'd go with punch-cards any day of the week.
[10:36] <thoreauputic_> dabugas: sure, i was just being the annoying old fart :)
[10:37] <spear> hi !
[10:37] <kkathman> dabugas, I remember putting together my first PC, it had a whopping 4MB of memory and used a cassette player for loading programs..no floppy or harddrive :)
[10:37] <dabugas> thoreauputic: be the annoying old fart. i definately intend to when my children (or somebody's) are saying that they don't have enough nuclear reactors to power their 6D virtual reality machines... ;)
[10:38] <thoreauputic_> kkathman: we had to type our stuff onto cards with a mechanical punch card keyboard :)
[10:38] <dabugas> kkathman: that's more or less like what i had
[10:38] <dabugas> but i got it in the late 80s, being in greece, we were somewhat slow in developing
[10:38] <kkathman> thoreauputic_, In college I remember doing that  but we also had access to timeshare on a CDC 6600
[10:39] <thoreauputic_> kkathman: we also did some simple assembler stuff on a PDP-11
[10:39] <kkathman> thoreauputic_, all those cards....all those JCLs...and woe to you if you dropped the deck!
[10:39] <dabugas> kkathman: although 4MB of memory sounds like a lot; can't be sure though. it's been too long
[10:39] <thoreauputic_> that was a long time ago...
[10:39] <velocity_kendall> hey
[10:39] <velocity_kendall> can someone give me some guidance
[10:39] <velocity_kendall> how do i play xvid in ubuntu 5.04?
[10:40] <thoreauputic_> kkathman: indeed! It was so exciting when something actually compiled and ran!
[10:40] <kkathman> dabugas, that PC at that time was a step up from the old IMSAI .. it had a firmware boot rather than actual toggling switches to boot (ala PDP)
[10:40] <velocity_kendall> how do i play xvid in ubuntu 5.04?
[10:40] <velocity_kendall> anyone?
[10:40] <DXT> say anyone managed to get sound working in ventrlo (wine)?
[10:40] <Berserker> hi people! installer cant find info about partition table of my IDE HDD. But in near console i can list it by `fdisk -l` and mount all partitions to any mountpoints
[10:41] <DXT> velocity check the "Mutimedia HOWTO" @ ubuntuforums->ubuntu 5.04 hoary->HOWTOs & FAQs
[10:42] <velocity_kendall> yeah i found it! cheers
[10:42] <kkathman> Question:  Does anyone know of like a resource that cross references software that is available with the "apt-get" names?  I mean besides using , say, synaptic?
[10:42] <dabugas> kkathman: you baffle me with your terminology. the computer i described to you was the first computer i used. i didn't actually know how it worked. only what rudimentary BASIC was needed to run the occasional game (which took 15 minutes to load from tape;)
[10:43] <dabugas> kkathman: what do you mean, like "apt-cache search <whatever>" ?
[10:44] <kkathman> dabugas,  Well I dont know if you remember a company named "Heathkit" but they sponsored San Antonio based company that sold kits for PCs. You bought it, then you literally put it together components and all
[10:44] <Slask3n> does hoary have the newest version of GnuPG (1.4.1)?
[10:44] <dmoyne> I have a problem when opening a file with accentuated charcaters in its name with GIMP ; where tos ak to know how to fix this ? ; thaks.
[10:44] <velocity_kendall> why does firefox 1.0.2 show up in synaptic?
[10:44] <velocity_kendall> i tried enabling all the repositories
[10:44] <velocity_kendall> the only way is to get it from the mozilla site?
[10:45] <velocity_kendall> i mean, why does it NOT show up
[10:45] <drbombay43> yellow all, can or will somebody please tell me where to find info on mp3 playback in rhythm-box?
[10:45] <lionBG> velocity_kendall, are you on hoary?
[10:45] <velocity_kendall> yes
[10:45] <thoreauputic_> dmoyne: try running gimp <firstfewletters TAB TAB > from commandline
[10:45] <kkathman> dabugas, Well, what I was looking for was...Lots of times Im looking for a particular software solution for something, say a DVD Writer. Where do you go to look for "DVD Writers" for Linux and then get the appropriate name that apt-get would use on install?
[10:45] <kkathman> Other than say Google :)
[10:46] <dabugas> kkathman: i don't what they did in san antonia; they sold actually computers here :p
[10:46] <velocity_kendall> Ubuntu package 1.0+dfsg.1-6ubuntu1 apparently
[10:46] <velocity_kendall> why can't i just have 1.0.2 :(
[10:46] <kkathman> dabugas - in 1975 they didnt :)
[10:46] <dmoyne> thoreauputic : what is tthsi supposed to do ?
[10:46] <uggwar> when starting eclipse from a launcher, JAVA_HOME etc. isn't found. any idea where I should put the variables? I have them in /etc/bash.bashrc now
[10:46] <dabugas> kkathman: i use "apt-cache search" with relevant keywords to find software adn then apt-get to get them. synaptic is ugly and crappy ;)
[10:46] <thoreauputic_> dmoyne: tab complete the file name for you
[10:47] <lionBG> velocity_kendall, for me it's mozilla-firefox 1.0.2 1.0.2-0ubuntu2
[10:47] <HighlanderMcLoud> back to ubuntu mantra
[10:47] <thoreauputic_> dmoyne: thus hopefully bypassing the parsing error
[10:47] <HighlanderMcLoud> hi guys and girls
[10:47] <dabugas> kkathman: i wasn't even born in 1975 :) btw, what do you mean by dvd writer? a ripper or a recorder?
[10:47] <velocity_kendall> i have gone to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mozilla-firefox/
[10:47] <kkathman> dabugas, Ill try that next time
[10:47] <velocity_kendall> and there is a 1.0.2 version
[10:47] <velocity_kendall> do i have the right repository selected?
[10:47] <March-RX8> hello
[10:47] <lionBG> velocity_kendall, that was going to be my question
[10:48] <kkathman> dabugas,  looking to do backups of data to DVDs or make/edit videos and burning DVDs
[10:48] <velocity_kendall> well i have the basic ones selected
[10:48] <March-RX8> could someone help me with ubuntu
[10:48] <velocity_kendall> i haven't added any repositories custom
[10:48] <lionBG> velocity_kendall, in synaptic i have all the deb repositories marked
[10:48] <dmoyne> thoreauputic : yes but I do not see how this is going to solve my problem ! ; GIMP is reporting this error message "file-utils.c:272: cannot convert filename to UTF-8: Invalid byte sequence in conversion input"
[10:48] <kkathman> velocity_kendall, Are you on hoary or  warty?
[10:48] <thoreauputic_> March-RX8: not unless you ask a question ;-)
[10:48] <velocity_kendall> hoary
[10:49] <velocity_kendall> i don't understand, if i surf to http:.../ubuntu/pool/main
[10:49] <Loufier> can someone tell me wat koary and warty is
[10:49] <kkathman> velocity_kendall, You should just be able to do an upgrade and it will get you to 1.0.2
[10:49] <velocity_kendall> there is LOADS of new stuff
[10:49] <thoreauputic_> dmoyne: I see
[10:49] <velocity_kendall> but none of this comes up on my synaptic
[10:49] <Loufier> *hoary
[10:49] <March-RX8> how can i add a package source for my system?
[10:49] <thoreauputic_> dmoyne: can you rename the file?
[10:49] <velocity_kendall> kkathman how do i upgrade?
[10:49] <dabugas> kkathman: i just searched for just "dvd" which gave me 4.5 terminal pages, each line a single package. This is easily readable, in my opinion. Now, i'm unhappily discovering that there's no k3b-like program in gnome. Graveman and gcombust are very, very poor.
[10:49] <kbrooks> velocity_kendall, synaptic
[10:50] <velocity_kendall> what do i press?
[10:50] <kkathman> velocity_kendall, you do an apt-get update, then an apt-get upgrade
[10:50] <velocity_kendall> is my synaptic reading the http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/ place?
[10:50] <uggwar> dabugas, gnomebaker is quite nice
[10:50] <velocity_kendall> that's where all the software seems to be
[10:50] <kbrooks> s/upgrade/dist-upgrade/
[10:50] <velocity_kendall> i don't understand
[10:50] <dmoyne> thoreauputic : I have hundreds of files of the sort ; it opens my file with accentuated characters but names it "Untitled" !
[10:50] <kbrooks> velocity_kendall, no
[10:50] <thoreauputic_> March-RX8: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[10:50] <kkathman> velocity_kendall, you'll need to make sure your sources.list is accurate however
[10:50] <uggwar> dabugas, http://gnomebaker.sourceforge.net/
[10:50] <dabugas> uggwar: is it in the ubuntu archives?
[10:50] <March-RX8> thanks
[10:51] <kbrooks> velocity_kendall, ^^^ read the howto too
[10:51] <uggwar> dabugas, nope. you'll have to use checkinstall
[10:51] <Slask3n> why doesnt hoary have the newest version of GnuPG?
[10:51] <thoreauputic_> uggwar: there are packages
[10:51] <dabugas> Loufier: warty and hoary are version of ubuntu. Warty is the older one; Hoary is the one no being prepared and up for official release in april 25 or so, if i remember correctly
[10:52] <cyklus> whats the difference between the radeon and ati driver for ati cards??
[10:52] <dabugas> uggwar: is there a deb or rpm (for alien) anywhere? i prefer that
[10:52] <thoreauputic_> dabugas: gnomebaker packages: http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/
[10:52] <thoreauputic_> dabugas: ^^^^^
[10:52] <uggwar> thoreauputic_, ah nice. but it wasn't such a big job though :)
[10:52] <velocity_kendall> what is the purpose of http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/ then?
[10:52] <velocity_kendall> what is that pool directory for?
[10:52] <velocity_kendall> does synaptic look in there?
[10:52] <velocity_kendall> where does it look
[10:52] <thoreauputic_> uggwar: checkinstall is handy :)
[10:53] <Loufier> is hoary better then warty..?
[10:53] <velocity_kendall> can someone tell me how i update to firefox 1.0.2 in synaptic
[10:53] <Loufier> its got a higher version numba :P
[10:53] <DXT> roses are red, violets are blue, from all the distros out there, i love ubuntu! :p
[10:53] <velocity_kendall> synaptic says the latest version is 1.0+
[10:53] <mdz> velocity_kendall: wait a week and upgrade to Ubuntu 5.04
[10:53] <Berserker> Is anyone knows answer in my question about Ubuntu installer ?
[10:54] <uggwar> thoreauputic_, it is a beauty
[10:54] <kkathman> back in a bit..
[10:54] <mdz> Berserker: your question was not entirely clear
[10:54] <thoreauputic_> Loufier: hoary is the newer version
[10:54] <DXT> Anyone managed to get Ventrilo working with sound? (wine)
[10:54] <uggwar> thoreauputic_, but it has acctually kept me from learning package building, so i have my grudges towards it ;)
[10:54] <velocity_kendall> can someone PLEASE help me understand this
[10:54] <Loufier> i got the RC, can u upgrade that to the next version?
[10:54] <thoreauputic_> Loufier: hoary will be official in a week or so
[10:55] <tck> Loufier, yup
[10:55] <DXT> loufier it is does automatically via synaptic
[10:55] <Loufier> k, just wondering cuz i downlaoded and burnt it now :P
[10:55] <velocity_kendall> why does my synaptic say the latest firefox is 1.0+dfsg.1-6ubuntu1 ?!
[10:55] <velocity_kendall> why does my synaptic say the latest firefox is 1.0+dfsg.1-6ubuntu1 ?!
[10:55] <velocity_kendall> anyone?
[10:55] <DXT> i mean, just update and dist-upgrade
[10:55] <Loufier> velocity just install the newest package manually  or just wait, it realli doesnt matter..
[10:55] <thoreauputic_> velocity_kendall: because the 1.0.2 hasn't been packaged yet, probably
[10:55] <Loufier> aint much diffrence
[10:56] <velocity_kendall> thoreauputic then what is this: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mozilla-firefox/
[10:56] <Slask3n> why doesn't hoary have the newest version of GnuPG? the newest version i can find is 1.2.5 but the newest is 1.4.1
[10:56] <mz2> aargh, the april's fool gdm theme freaked me out completely :)
[10:57] <velocity_kendall> thoreauputic then what is this: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mozilla-firefox/
[10:57] <velocity_kendall> ?
[10:57] <dabugas> thoreauputic & uggwar: thanks! :)
[10:57] <uggwar> dabugas, np! :)
[10:57] <thoreauputic_> velocity_kendall: development packages, by the look of it
[10:57] <DXT> mz2 - blah now i wont be surprised! :P
[10:57] <Loufier> 200gbs of obsolute crap and doesnt mattare wat i do..
[10:57] <Loufier> ill lose something important :P
[10:57] <dabugas> Slask3n: can't really tell, but the feature of ubuntu is generally stability
[10:57] <velocity_kendall> development packages? what are they? how do you know?! firefox 1.0.2 is out for download not in development man
[10:57] <uggwar> dabugas, i was quite happy when i found it myself. take a look at www.gnomefiles.org, if you haven't allready
[10:57] <Loufier> and figure it out wen i wipe it hahha
[10:58] <kbrooks> velocity_kendall, may i clarify
[10:58] <uggwar> dabugas, many nice apps to find
[10:58] <March-RX8> does not mplayer for ubuntu exist?
[10:58] <kbrooks> velocity_kendall, firefox is out for dl.
[10:58] <kbrooks> velocity_kendall, BUT
[10:58] <thoreauputic_> velocity_kendall: chill
[10:58] <kbrooks> velocity_kendall, and i mean but
[10:59] <kbrooks> velocity_kendall, you see, ther are 2 branches.
[10:59] <velocity_kendall> twell i would if people gimmie straight knowledgeable answers
[10:59] <Slask3n> dabugas: i use 1.4.1 now, and my system is stable... can this package be added?
[10:59] <kbrooks> velocity_kendall, warty and hoary
[10:59] <velocity_kendall> so far within the linux community this ain't happened once!
[10:59] <kbrooks> velocity_kendall, hoary is the development version
[10:59] <thoreauputic_> March-RX8: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:59] <dabugas> uggwar: what i liked about debian (and by extension, ubuntu) is the package system. i try to avoid encumbering my sources.list, but i'm going to bookmark that site. just in case :)
[10:59] <kbrooks> velocity_kendall, hello?
[10:59] <velocity_kendall> i'm listening
[11:00] <kbrooks> velocity_kendall, ok
[11:00] <velocity_kendall> so whyu did someone just tell me they had 1.0.2 in their synaptic on hoary?!
[11:00] <velocity_kendall> eh?!
[11:00] <kbrooks> velocity_kendall, are you on warty or hoary
[11:00] <velocity_kendall> hoary
[11:00] <uggwar> dabugas, yeah, i agree. but it is nice that locally built packages show up in its own section in synaptic. so you can easily remove them
[11:00] <nydust> where are php.ini?
[11:00] <dabugas> Slask3n: i am unfortunately a mere user, so i can't help you, sorry. i don't really know who you can direct this question to.
[11:00] <velocity_kendall> i would like to know how to upgrade to fireforx 1.0.2  from with synpatic
[11:01] <velocity_kendall> i thought synaptic could get ANY program
[11:01] <uggwar> dabugas, have you used checkinstall?
[11:01] <kbrooks> it can.
[11:01] <keyhack> what is the name of the application to configure wireless? (need the actual command name and/or package)
[11:01] <velocity_kendall> there 1.0.2 firefox please
[11:01] <velocity_kendall> why not?!
[11:01] <kbrooks> velocity_kendall, can, not cant
[11:01] <kbrooks> velocity_kendall, READ CAREFULLY
[11:01] <Loufier> just not the newest firefox ;) but onli for u ;)
[11:01] <lionBG> velocity_kendall, just get the right repositories in synaptic, reload and upgrade
[11:01] <velocity_kendall> what are the right ones?!
[11:01] <velocity_kendall> how am i supposed to know
[11:02] <kbrooks> velocity_kendall, pm me please. thanks
[11:02] <velocity_kendall> theres about 200 different damn directories to choose from
[11:02] <dabugas> uggwar: no. what is it?
[11:02] <velocity_kendall> there is dists, main, pool, universe, i don't understand it all
[11:02] <Loufier> ^^
[11:02] <carlos-d-man> hi guys, just installed, GDM login is cute but, I have no root password :S
[11:02] <lionBG> velocity_kendall, I don't know where are you, but I have only few and can give them to you ;)
[11:02] <uggwar> dabugas, if you can't find a .deb for your newly found app, just do .configure, make and checkinstall to build your own package
[11:03] <dabugas> velocity_kendall: chill out man. i don't have the newest firefox either. :)
[11:03] <carlos-d-man> I don't recall being asked by the installer for a root password, so what is it? or how may I recover?
[11:03] <lionBG> velocity_kendall, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted
[11:03] <dabugas> carlos-d-man: you're not supposed to :)
[11:03] <keyhack> what is the name of the application to configure wireless? (need the actual command name and/or package)
[11:03] <velocity_kendall> i#m not so concerend about having the latest firefox
[11:03] <dabugas> carlos-d-man: the default install in ubuntu only has users and you sudo for root privileges
[11:03] <velocity_kendall> i don't give a shit about that
[11:03] <lionBG> velocity_kendall, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe
[11:03] <velocity_kendall> i just want to understand why i can download it from mozilla.com but not using apt get/synaptic
[11:04] <velocity_kendall> see
[11:04] <thoreauputic> velocity_kendall: your attitude is frankly obnoxious
[11:04] <lionBG> velocity_kendall, http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security main restricted
[11:04] <carlos-d-man> dabugas no root password?
[11:04] <velocity_kendall> well don't make out like i'm all about getting the latest version. i simply want to understand how this works
[11:05] <dabugas> uggwar: ah, yes. with debian i have done away with source. one of the great lessons taught by windows. i don't want to wait 3/4 of an hour to compile mozilla. okay? :p on the other hands my brother loves this thing.... it takes all kinds :)
[11:05] <dabugas> wb thoreauputic, btw
[11:05] <lionBG> velocity_kendall, if you have these repositories - they come as standart with Ubuntu you can have firefox 1.0.2
[11:05] <carlos-d-man> dabugas I will use it for multiuser! I can't allow any moron access to sudo!
[11:05] <velocity_kendall> lionBG i have those
[11:05] <thoreauputic> velocity_kendall: the packages have to be added to thr ubuntu archive
[11:05] <velocity_kendall> i have every single repository selected
[11:05] <velocity_kendall> everything, even the CD
[11:05] <DXT> Help, I can't see the volume icon in the panel, adding it doesnt help nor doesnt switching themes or killing gnome-panel or restarting
[11:06] <velocity_kendall> there is 8 different repositories in total
[11:06] <lionBG> velocity_kendall, than look fo mozilla-firefox 1.0.2 package - should be there
[11:06] <velocity_kendall> it's not
[11:06] <kakalto> http://www.scmagazine.com/news/index.cfm?fuseaction=newsDetails&newsUID=d5ee7707-4e08-49f9-8bdf-299e79743c18&newsType=Latest%20News
[11:06] <dabugas> carlos-d-man: check out this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo/ & http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root/
[11:07] <lionBG> velocity_kendall, i have only the deb marked and nothing added and I see it
[11:07] <velocity_kendall> lionBG what do you mean the deb?
[11:07] <velocity_kendall> i cannot see the word 'deb' anywhere in the repository list
[11:07] <dabugas> carlos-d-man: also, if you're going to run a multiuser system and don't know how to introduce a root user simply by using sudo, be prepared :)
[11:08] <lionBG> there are deb repositories and deb-src
[11:08] <velocity_kendall> deb?!
[11:08] <velocity_kendall> to me it says Binary and Source
[11:09] <thoreauputic> velocity_kendall: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:09] <velocity_kendall> you want me to type that or what?
[11:09] <thoreauputic> yes
[11:09] <NetGeek> what is the best ftp server for ubuntu?
[11:09] <thoreauputic> in a terminal to see your sources
[11:09] <velocity_kendall> now what?
[11:09] <NetGeek> vsftpd or proftpd?
[11:09] <thoreauputic> velocity_kendall: READ IT
[11:10] <velocity_kendall> can we please avoid terminal i prefer gui
[11:10] <carlos-d-man> this sudo thinguie is cute, so my main first user account may sudo, how may I make sure the rest of the users can't
[11:10] <dabugas> thoreauputic: LOL
[11:10] <carlos-d-man> ?
[11:10] <velocity_kendall> i'm about using a computer not hacking
[11:10] <kbrooks> velocity_kendall, terminal doesnt equal cracking
[11:10] <thoreauputic> velocity_kendall: this isn't hacking - it's reading 101
[11:10] <kbrooks> in fact, in your context, you meant cracking
[11:10] <velocity_kendall> i just dont see why people say do terminal command
[11:10] <velocity_kendall> i'm used to windows man
[11:11] <dabugas> carlos-d-man: honestly, i don't know; i'm not running a multi-user system :)
[11:11] <velocity_kendall> can i not just see my 'sources' in synaptic?
[11:11] <carlos-d-man> btw I have lot'sa RAM, what do you guys recommend I copy to and use out of /ramdisk?
[11:11] <kbrooks> velocity_kendall, well, i have a idea, maybe i can help you through vnc
[11:11] <thoreauputic> velocity_kendall: that's a pity - would you like to learn?
[11:11] <velocity_kendall> not really
[11:11] <lionBG> velocity_kendall, you can
[11:11] <velocity_kendall> i want to use the computer for music, internet, etc, not programming
[11:11] <lionBG> velocity_kendall, you can see them
[11:11] <kbrooks> velocity_kendall, see what i said above
[11:12] <dabugas> carlos-d-man: basically, sudo su and write yerself a password. then create a new user and see if you can sudo, juding by the fledling account my bro made on my computer they shouldn't be able to sudo
[11:12] <carlos-d-man> dabugas ubuntu is desktop central and I like the idea because I am providing desktop to many remote X users but my RAM question is in regards to speed :)
[11:12] <NoeWon> we must not walk the path of the passwd crackers, so sayith the spider
[11:12] <dabugas> NoeWon: ;)
[11:13] <dabugas> carlos-d-man: try out what i told you. i'm too bored to try it out myself, but it should work :)
[11:13] <NoeWon> nither shall we take our laptops downtown in search of hot spots because we are better than that we are better than those phisers and phreakers as well. Why? Why you ask? Becasue we are the few, we are the proud. We are the Ubuntu users!
[11:14] <NoeWon> Can I get an AMEN!
[11:14] <lizdeika> gee, what can i say. congrats to ubuntu with normal minimize,maximize,exit buttons back :)
[11:14] <dabugas> NoeWon: fuck you man. if you've never tried freaking phreaking then you're a L0s5eR!!!!! the cold wind in your hair as you fumble with the wires, the rush of adrenaline as you get disconnected every 16 seconds... ah, the good ol' days :Ppp
[11:15] <carlos-d-man> dabugas heh sure I will thanks; how may I get pppoe running? Im glad I had knoppix to the rescue ftm hehe
[11:15] <NoeWon> ??? phearking what ???
[11:15] <NoeWon> you accually do it physically?
[11:16] <dabugas> carlos-d-man: a) you can also get an ubuntu live cd but i haven't tried it b) pppoe? if you're talking about a modem connection try wvdial (for console) and gnome-ppp (for gui) otherwise i've no idea what you are talking about
[11:16] <NoeWon> I didn't think people were still doing that, it's all bout the cell phones now
[11:16] <thoreauputic> and the Word of the Sage came unto us, saying, thou shalt not learn the ways of Linux without opening a terminal and reading the wisdom therein...
[11:16] <NoeWon> I'm going to try to get into puff daddys Tmobile
[11:17] <dabugas> NoeWon: well i had tried phreaking when i was in highschool or so; that wasn't so long ago and i live in greece. the phone system used to be easily absuseable. not now, anymore
[11:17] <zenrox> thoreauputic, aka RTFM
[11:17] <zenrox> hehehehe
[11:17] <NoeWon> Naw, I'm playin I was just joking I wouldn't hack any sidekick. lol.j/k
[11:18] <thoreauputic> and the people marveled, saying, we had not realised that computers could do as they were told: the Windows help desk told us many falsehoods...
[11:18] <NoeWon> Seriouly, whoever hit pairs's sidekick was a bastard
[11:18] <NoeWon> and don't do drugs
[11:18] <carlos-d-man> dabugas neather, I mean ADSL with roaring penguin's PPP-over-ethernet, in other distros it's rp-pppoe package :)
[11:19] <dabugas> carlos-d-man: i know not of what you seek. go rattle some bones or skin a goat. perhaps the answers will be found there within.
[11:19] <carlos-d-man> btw guys, installation offered to install the remaining language packages that are not included on the installation CD, I said no fearing it would not conclude installation when not being able to connect so, how may I get them?
[11:21] <carlos-d-man> dabugas fyi "el chupacabras" means "the goat licker" hehe
[11:21] <dabugas> carlos-d-man: chupacabras?
[11:22] <ikaro> or "chupa cabra" which if what I say to my gf.
[11:22] <ikaro> if/is
[11:22] <keyhack> what package provides "system-config-network" ?
[11:23] <folta> hey everyone. i seem to have lost wireless access
[11:24] <carlos-d-man> dabugas a few years ago the chupacabras made NATIONAL headlines about goats being blood sucked over night, most ignotant morons reported that they believed it must have been a from bat's variation to some sort of alien to blame and the media was just full of it for a few months he
[11:24] <folta> can anyone diagnose this: i can see the access points in the networking panel but can't connect properly to them?
[11:24] <theine> keyhack: I can't find an executable called system-config-network on my system...
[11:24] <funky> carlos-d-man: chupacabras ?
[11:24] <carlos-d-man> yep
[11:25] <carlos-d-man> http://alltheweb.com/search?cat=img&cs=iso88591&q=chupacabras&rys=0&_sb_lang=pref
[11:25] <dabugas> i posed this question earlier: i have my other hard drive (allegedly a windows drive but the c:/windows dir is erased) in fstab & i have access to it from /media/windows but GNOME2 and affiliated programs ignore its existence. any ideas?
[11:26] <funky> nice creature
[11:26] <dabugas> carlos-d-man: my man, carlos-d. i've no idea what you're talking about :))
[11:27] <^thehatsrule^> lo
[11:27] <djp> anyone know why none of the magnatune links fail to play in rhythmbox? keep getting the message, Could not open vfs file "http://sc1.magnatune.com:8000/" for reading.
[11:27] <^thehatsrule^> have a question... for my pentium2, ubuntu froze.... had to hit the reset button, any ideas?
[11:29] <carlos-d-man> dabugas just a note on your mention of goats hehe; what if you mount somewhere else and access the drive with gnome and friends through that?
[11:29] <thoreauputic> djp: try saving the m3u or pls file to disk and adding it to your rhythmbox from there
[11:30] <theine> dabugas: what do you mean "GNOME2 ignores its existance"?
[11:31] <djp> thoreauputic: thanks, will give it a go...
[11:31] <roo_> hi all :)
[11:32] <dabugas> well if i open, say, abiword or gedit i can only access it through filesystem->media->windows... before i updated to hoary i had link right there below CDROM and FLOPPY of my windows drive and it also appeared on my desktop
[11:32] <thoreauputic> djp: warning: magnatune file names have a lot of cruft like %20 in them
[11:33] <thoreauputic> djp: rhythmbox has a problem with those %20 spaces
[11:33] <carlos-d-man> anybody have a single non interactive command line to create grup "joe" and user "joe" and YYY pasword?
[11:34] <funky> there is a way to see apt log ?
[11:34] <folta> nevermind - it just decided to work
[11:34] <folta> very odd indeed
[11:34] <thoreauputic> non-interactive? I don't think so - adduser and useradd etc are interactive
[11:34] <delire> carlos-d-man: addgroup joe ; aduser joe joe
[11:34] <delire> >
[11:34] <delire> carlos-d-man that what you're after?
[11:35] <thoreauputic> delire: they require interaction
[11:35] <blueyed> Hi. I'm having trouble installing the Hoary-RC: grub has been installed to hda, but fails with Error 17.. any ideas?
[11:35] <delire> thoreauputic: so does a computer. what does he expect?
[11:35] <thoreauputic> carlos-d-man: you want to script it?
[11:35] <^thehatsrule^> have a question... for my pentium2, ubuntu froze.... had to hit the reset button, any ideas?
[11:35] <carlos-d-man> delire no questions because I have to add 1000+ users, let me see... :)
[11:36] <thoreauputic> delire: well, passwords in a script in plain text aren't a good idea I guess :)
[11:36] <djp> thoreauputic: yeah, links on magnatune web site working...
[11:36] <carlos-d-man> thoreauputic maybe, the list is on excel, there goes security heh
[11:36] <|QuaD-> ^thehatsrule^: what froze.... x, kernel, what?
[11:36] <^thehatsrule^> the whole thing
[11:36] <^thehatsrule^> couldnt do anything... when i was in gnome
[11:37] <^thehatsrule^> froze on firefox
[11:37] <|QuaD-> ^thehatsrule^: first figure out if it was x or kernel or what
[11:37] <^thehatsrule^> i couldnt... how could you tell?
[11:37] <^thehatsrule^> logs?
[11:37] <delire> write a shell script to read users from a clear text list, run the addgroup command with that list as input in a loop until done. how you'll handle passwords i don't know
[11:37] <|QuaD-> ssh in from a different computer
[11:37] <^thehatsrule^> er... i just reset it
[11:37] <^thehatsrule^> all the control characters wouldnt work
[11:37] <lionBG> ^thehatsrule^, how much ram?
[11:38] <^thehatsrule^> 128mb sdram
[11:38] <|QuaD-> ^thehatsrule^: it is possible that only X froze
[11:38] <^thehatsrule^> hm, so its not because my cpu is old?
[11:38] <|QuaD-> next time don't just reset it
[11:38] <delire> ^thehatsrule^: hit CTRL-ALT-BCKSPCE
[11:38] <|QuaD-> ^thehatsrule^: it could be
[11:38] <|QuaD-> there are 500 million reasons it COULD be
[11:38] <^thehatsrule^> delire, i said no control charaters worked
[11:39] <delire> right ok
[11:39] <|QuaD-> delire: that won't work idon't believe if X is frozen
[11:39] <^thehatsrule^> tho, windows 2000 works without freezing...
[11:39] <|QuaD-> ^thehatsrule^: so?
[11:39] <^thehatsrule^> just odd
[11:39] <keyhack> how do you configure the wireless? (mind you, I  did not install gnome/kde, running xfce)
[11:39] <|QuaD-> ^thehatsrule^: you first need to figure out the cause of the freeze
[11:39] <^thehatsrule^> could it be that i should use an older kernel?
[11:39] <delire> |QuaD-: sure it will, that and the sysrq key. either that or pull up a console with ctrl-alt-f1 and kill X as a process
[11:39] <kbrooks> Hey. What is the package to install Flash?
[11:40] <|QuaD-> delire: i have had X freeze when ctrl-alt-[insert key]  doesn't work
[11:40] <kbrooks> HELLO?
[11:40] <|QuaD-> ^thehatsrule^: we don't know what crashed, so we cna't figure out a solution
[11:40] <delire> |QuaD-: sure there are dozens of workarounds.
[11:40] <djp> any recommendations as to good agregator feed packages?
[11:40] <^thehatsrule^> |QuaD-, any logs?
[11:40] <|QuaD-> djp: liferea
[11:40] <|QuaD-> ^thehatsrule^: i believe they are reset among resetting the comp
[11:41] <|QuaD-> djp: you are using gnome right?
[11:41] <^thehatsrule^> heh, dang
[11:41] <demism_> does anyone get a 40k or less connection to the mirrors?
[11:41] <djp> QuaD-: thanks. are you using it?
[11:41] <delire> ^thehatsrule^: do you have another machine? ssh into the box and run top to see what's alive
[11:41] <|QuaD-> ^thehatsrule^: next time don't restart so quickly
[11:41] <|QuaD-> djp: yeah
[11:41] <djp> |QuaD-: gnome here, yes
[11:41] <^thehatsrule^> bleh
[11:41] <^thehatsrule^> i wouldnt even know how to ssh in ;p
[11:41] <^thehatsrule^> we
[11:41] <^thehatsrule^> will see :)
[11:42] <djp> |QuaD-: better than the Sage plugin for firefox, yes?
[11:42] <demism_> does anyone get a 40k or less connection to the mirrors, and have a 10mbit connection or dsl?
[11:42] <libben> Please use Synaptic "Smart Upgrade" or "apt-get dist-upgrade" to fix the situation. /// how do i use synaptics smart upgrade? cant find that options in synapt... its 5 packages that not got updated from the list with 300+ packages.... anyone?
[11:42] <theine> keyhack: try network-admin
[11:42] <|QuaD-> djp: i would rather things integrate with gnome, not firefox, personal preference thoguh
[11:42] <thoreauputic> ^thehatsrule^: ssh IP.of.box  or ssh nameofbox
[11:43] <djp> |QuaD-: sure
[11:43] <^thehatsrule^> k, could i use telnet if i was on windows?
[11:43] <roo_> djp, i use raggle
[11:43] <thoreauputic> ^thehatsrule^: telnet is evil
[11:43] <|QuaD-> thoreauputic: is ssh server installed by default?
[11:43] <delire> ^thehatsrule^: if you were running a telnet server on the machine, yes
[11:43] <roo_> djp, its console based but rocks
[11:43] <^thehatsrule^> heh, guess not
[11:43] <^thehatsrule^> would have to dl putty :P
[11:43] <roo_> |QuaD-, nope.
[11:43] <thoreauputic> |QuaD-: good point - no it isn't
[11:43] <delire> roo_: hey have you checked out 'snownews'. also a good rss console reader
[11:43] <|QuaD-> thoreauputic: :) you can point him to the wiki page
[11:44] <roo_> delire, yes :)
[11:44] <delire> roo_: ;)
[11:44] <|QuaD-> liferea is a gtk client
[11:44] <matheus> coucou !!!
[11:45] <kbrooks> Hey. What is the package to install Flash?
[11:45] <kbrooks> HELLO?
[11:45] <roo_> ^ wtf?
[11:45] <delire> kbrooks: what's up
[11:45] <|QuaD-> hi
[11:45] <thoreauputic> ^thehatsrule^: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SSHHowto/view?searchterm=ssh
[11:45] <roo_> kbrooks, for mozilla?
[11:45] <matheus> you re english ???
[11:45] <delire> kbrooks: apt-cache search libsflash
[11:45] <kbrooks> roo_: yes
[11:45] <matheus> ohhh
[11:45] <delire> s/libsflash/libflash
[11:46] <thoreauputic> |QuaD-: heh - had to find it first ;)
[11:46] <kbrooks> k
[11:46] <kbrooks> ty
[11:46] <matheus> i am a newbie on llinux, and i can t mount a fat32 disk, how can i do ?
[11:46] <roo_> kbrooks, flashplayer-mozilla ?
[11:46] <libben> roo_,  delire ? u know why i cant get 5 packages from the 316 packages i just downloaded to get installed.... it said that i should try apt-get dist-update and i did... and still same problem
[11:46] <libben> Please use Synaptic "Smart Upgrade" or "apt-get dist-upgrade" to fix the situation. /// how do i use synaptics smart upgrade? cant find that options in synapt... its 5 packages that not got updated from the list with 300+ packages.... anyone?
[11:46] <|QuaD-> thoreauputic: :)
[11:46] <libben> ^^
[11:47] <roo_> matheus, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[11:47] <scott> anyone happen to have the ORCA font?
[11:47] <matheus> it is in french ?
[11:47] <matheus> have you a doc in french ?
[11:47] <roo_> matheus, http://world.altavista.com/
[11:47] <roo_> matheus, suddenly, the net is in many languages :)
[11:47] <delire> matheus: FYI if you 'less /etc/fstab' you'll see the partitions and mountpoints. it's likely your fat32 partition is in there already and you can just 'mount /mountpoint'
[11:48] <roo_> libben, hmm. my synaptic has a smart upgrade button? :/
[11:48] <theine> libben: it's under settings -> preferences -> System upgrade
[11:48] <matheus> but it is not in fstab
[11:49] <scott> /ws 2
[11:49] <roo_> libben, press "Mark All Upgrades" > "Smart Upgrade"?
[11:49] <delire> matheus: ok then type 'fdisk -l' to see which partition the fat32 partition is and then, 'mount -t vfat /dev/<fat32partition> /<some-mount-point>
[11:50] <^thehatsrule^> hm, what would be the ssh command to check what was wrong?
[11:50] <|QuaD-> ^thehatsrule^: you couldn't do it like that
[11:50] <delire> matheus: however if you find out what it is you can make an entry in /etc/fstab (file system table) and then mount it easily, even create a disk shortcut on the desktop
[11:50] <|QuaD-> that would give you a shell to your comp
[11:50] <|QuaD-> and you could debug the problem from there
[11:51] <thoreauputic> matheus: sudo gedit /etc/fstab ;  /dev/hda1       /mnt/windws     vfat   noauto,users,exec.umask=000  0  0
[11:51] <|QuaD-> if your whole system crapped out, you won't get a shell, then you will need to do creative logging techniques
[11:51] <delire> ^thehatsrule^: ssh you@hung-computer-address && top
[11:51] <^thehatsrule^> oh, so i can do any normal linux cmd? cool
[11:51] <|QuaD-> delire: top won't tell him whats wrong
[11:51] <matheus> thank, but what do "<some-mount-point>" mean ?
[11:51] <|QuaD-> /var/logs do
[11:51] <thoreauputic> matheus: vfat might be fat32, not sure
[11:52] <^thehatsrule^> hmmm
[11:52] <|QuaD-> ^thehatsrule^: thats the idea of ssh (secure shell
[11:52] <lunitik> thoreauputic: it is
[11:52] <|QuaD-> )
[11:52] <delire> |QuaD-: it will tell him if it's choking, then he can ps ax and kill the process and or look at /var/log/syslog
[11:52] <thoreauputic> K
[11:52] <matheus> delire,  what do "<some-mount-point>" mean ?
[11:53] <delire> matheus: it's any arbitrary mount point that you wish. for instance i could make a directory called 'foo' and then 'mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /home/matheus/foo
[11:53] <thoreauputic> matheus: you need a directory to "mount" your partition - like /mnt/windows
[11:54] <|QuaD-> delire: he is looking for a command that is going to tell him exactly what wrong, and you are giving him the impression that that is "top".... which it won't
[11:54] <matheus> oh yes ok
[11:54] <delire> |QuaD-: whatever
[11:54] <thoreauputic> |QuaD-: true, but a degree of diagnosis is possible
[11:54] <shekhar_> hello i have a very simple question about hoary ubuntu
[11:54] <|QuaD-> thoreauputic: true
[11:55] <|QuaD-> shekhar_: ask away
[11:55] <delire> matheus: yeah, you can then simply browse to 'foo' in your home directory and all your windows file system will be there
[11:55] <roo_> shekhar_, best just to ask, no-one will ask you what you question is :)
[11:55] <shekhar_> how do i add a launcher to the applications menu? the right click, entire menu, but it doesn't give me the option to add
[11:56] <matheus> but i've already created it, and my partition is hda7, so i have to enter :  mount -t vfat /dev/hda7/backup ???
[11:56] <cavediver> Now this is a strange problem. All of a sudden my resolution is 2080x1024, which makes some applications "disappear" to the right of what my screen displays so to speak.
[11:56] <cavediver> Hope you understand
[11:56] <|QuaD-> shekhar_: right click on the panel, click add to panel, click custom application launcher (or application launcher if you prefer)
[11:56] <cavediver> It looks just like 1280x1024 but i guess it's twice the size horizontally...
[11:57] <delire> matheus: no.. try this 'mount -t vfat /dev/hda7 /backup' (if "backup" is in your home directory it would be /home/matheus/backup)
[11:57] <matheus> yes, sorry ... i will try
[11:58] <delire> matheus: don't be sorry, it's can be confusing at first ;)
[11:58] <shekhar_> |QuaD-:  how do i add to the applications menu? i can add things to the panel
[11:58] <delire> s/its/it
[11:58] <thoreauputic> matheus: you need a space between directories :)
[11:58] <delire> matheus: to make a point, try monting a linux parition under windows ;)
[11:58] <delire> s/monting/mounting
[11:58] <|QuaD-> shekhar_: oh sorry, i don't know the answer to that, maybe someone else knows
[11:59] <thoreauputic> delire: hah !
[11:59] <delire> thoreauputic: ;)
[11:59] <roo_> delire, are u a ubuntu dev?
[11:59] <ali> hello :)
[11:59] <roo_> hi ali
[11:59] <delire> roo_: no, just a long time Debian fan ;)
[11:59] <shekhar_> can anyone tell me how to customise the applications menu in hoary?
[11:59] <shekhar_> applications:// also doesn't work in nautilus
[12:00] <langenberg> I think I'm going to deploy ubuntu inside a local company. Is there any professional support available?