[12:12] <esher> its good idea to intall rc or better wait for next week ? (or can i later simple upgrade rc to first rls ?
[12:13] <uniq> you can easily upgrade over the internet.. 
[12:13] <esher> ok
[12:13] <chavo> esher, they also have daily builds
[12:14] <chavo> looks like they haven't built a daily iso since yesterday though
[12:14] <esher> yeah, ok. i only wanna know if jump to first release bring big changes :)
[12:15] <uniq> probably only minor.. from rc.. 
[12:15] <chavo> esher, Well I'm sure there will be changes, but nothing major at this point.
[12:15] <esher> ok
[12:15] <chavo> They have slipped some new stuff in, in the past day or two.
[12:15] <esher> then downloading, and tomorrow change my ubuntu to kubuntu :P
[12:16] <uniq> you can.. easily install kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu.. 
[12:16] <chavo> you can install kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu if you'd like.
[12:16] <uniq> and remove gnome.. 
[12:16] <chavo> or keep both
[12:16] <esher> i love gnome, but only thing i miss (very miss) is a nice file-browser
[12:16] <esher> kde have some better one
[12:17] <chavo> I haven't installed gnome on this machine yet, my first KDE only onstall. But I don't miss it a bit.
[12:17] <uniq> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop :)
[12:17] <esher> i will try :D
[12:17] <esher> thanx
[12:18] <chavo> esher, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/ there is the current daily iso.
[12:18] <chavo> they do have one from today as well.
[12:19] <esher> thanx all for help
[12:19] <uniq> i've got gnome installed to.. haven't used gnome a whole day since 2002.. 
[12:19] <uniq> kind of cool to compare.. and see that kde is this much better :)
[12:20] <gdh> uniq: Yis, GNOME is still bigger and slower :)
[12:20] <chavo> I used gnome for years, but lately it's been getting really bad. I switched to KDE in January.
[12:20] <chavo> gnome is really awfull. I mean they have stripped away every imaginable config option.
[12:21] <uniq> gdh: maybe it's just me.. but bigger, slower, less configureable, less good applications.. less consistent.. 
[12:22] <gdh> uniq: Yes, I have a P3-650. Not cutting edge, but it shouldn't take a couple of seconds to show a simple directory listing.
[12:22] <uniq> heh.. no :)
[12:22] <gdh> uniq: plus GNOME just feels to me like someone else has already defined all the options you need, and how DARE you suggest you need more configurability
[12:23] <gdh> I'd rather hav ethe choice of KDEs HUGE array of options and choose not to change them
[12:23] <uniq> I don't like the new (old win95) idea of filebrowsing with a new window for each folder.. 
[12:23] <uniq> either.. 
[12:23] <_martin> hi all, i installed kubuntu on my notebook. can someone tell me how i can turn of the onscreen messages in kde every 3 or 5 minutes a onscreen dialog with "display changed off" or "Brightness ..."
[12:23] <chavo> well that's easy to turn off, but still.
[12:23] <gdh> uniq: That's crap, yes - you can 'get around it' by using a browser .... 
[12:23] <gdh> but it's a kludge
[12:23] <gdh> sorry, a gludge :)
[12:24] <uniq> :)
[12:24] <uniq> _martin: what notebook.. i haven't got those kind of messages on mine.. 
[12:25] <TechLord_Work> me either
[12:27] <uniq> _martin: sony vaio? 
[12:27] <uniq> well.. brb.. more rocks for the whisky.
[12:37] <gdh> uniq: Ah you've got the right idea - whicky is coming up soon :)
[12:52] <uniq> gdh: lagavulin 16 years.. great islay malt :)
[12:57] <gdh> Good lord :) I have some cask strength Laphroaig, but I think you beat me :)
[12:57] <gdh> that laphroaig is mad stuff .. 62% proof.. :D
[01:15] <LeeJunFan> why is it going to administrator mode in kcontrol on most things hang? That stinks.
[01:20] <gdh> morning :)
[01:28] <motaboy> LeeJunFan: can you make an example?
[01:29] <badtzmark> need help on installing JRE
[01:29] <LeeJunFan> motaboy: it's intermittant.
[01:30] <LeeJunFan> motaboy: I have an idea - brb
[01:32] <LeeJunFan> nermind - didn't work.
[01:33] <badtzmark> apt-get install libdvdcss2 doesn't work.
[01:45] <badtzmark> can someone help me?!
[01:45] <badtzmark> i wanna edit my source.list
[01:45] <badtzmark> but it says i don't have permission
[01:47] <apokryphos> badtzmark: you have to have root permissions to do it
[01:47] <badtzmark> can guide me?
[01:47] <badtzmark> in console i tried sudo -s
[01:47] <apokryphos> Basically, you'll have to use sudo
[01:47] <apokryphos> that will give you a root session, yes, but you don't generally want to use that
[01:47] <badtzmark> then i use gedit /etc/apt/sources.list 
[01:47] <apokryphos> you can just put "sudo" in front of the command
[01:48] <apokryphos> badtzmark: well, why would you want to use *gedit*? ;-)
[01:48] <badtzmark> sudo gedit /etc/apt/source.list like this?
[01:48] <badtzmark> sudo gedit /etc/apt/source.list like this?
[01:48] <apokryphos> hehe. Well, you can use it... it's just that it's a GTK app :P
[01:48] <badtzmark> i don't know..
[01:48] <apokryphos> But yes, that's fine
[01:48] <badtzmark> when i type that
[01:48] <apokryphos> if you want to use a KDE app for it, instead of gedit use kwrite
[01:48] <badtzmark> sudo: gedit: command not found
[01:49] <apokryphos> badtzmark: did you download the kubuntu ISO?
[01:49] <badtzmark> yes
[01:49] <badtzmark> into cdrw and installed it
[01:49] <apokryphos> well, then you don't have GTK stuff. Lucky you. =)
[01:49] <apokryphos> you can just use kwrite instead
[01:50] <badtzmark> i dun think i have kwrite
[01:50] <apokryphos> heh. That could be possible, but I don't expect it.
[01:50] <badtzmark> i should change gedit to kwrite?
[01:50] <apokryphos> yes
[01:50] <badtzmark> wait
[01:51] <badtzmark> o.k
[01:51] <badtzmark> kwrite pops out
[01:51] <apokryphos> :)
[01:51] <badtzmark> but empty with no text
[01:52] <apokryphos> It's really worth knowing what you're doing here, first. Do you know what each part of the command there does?
[01:52] <badtzmark> apt-?
[01:52] <badtzmark> apt-get?
[01:52] <apokryphos> Apt is the Debian package management system. (Ubuntu is based off Debian, and uses the same one)
[01:52] <badtzmark> i wanna add this link
[01:52] <badtzmark> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-i386
[01:53] <apokryphos> Yup, it's quite easy to do so.
[01:53] <badtzmark> but when i use kwrite to open why is the text file empty?
[01:53] <apokryphos> You're getting a blank file because you entered the location wrong (I didn't check it properly before :P)
[01:53] <apokryphos> it's /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:55] <apokryphos> Here's a link worth reading, on repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Repositories
[01:55] <badtzmark> so how do i add that link above?
[01:56] <badtzmark> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-i386 ?
[01:57] <apokryphos> almost
[01:57] <apokryphos> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[01:58] <apokryphos> what are you looking to download?
[01:58] <badtzmark> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[01:58] <badtzmark> dvd playback
[02:00] <apokryphos> yes, you can add that too
[02:00] <apokryphos> do you know what packages you need for dvd playback?
[02:01] <badtzmark> apt-get install libdvdcss2
[02:01] <apokryphos> yes, you get those from marillat
[02:01] <badtzmark> Package libdvdcss2 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[02:01] <badtzmark> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[02:01] <badtzmark> is only available from another source
[02:01] <badtzmark> W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[02:01] <badtzmark> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[02:01] <badtzmark> E: Package libdvdcss2 has no installation candidate
[02:02] <apokryphos> you didn't (i) edit the file properly or (ii) didn't apt-get update
[02:03] <badtzmark> trying update
[02:03] <badtzmark> works! thanks
[02:03] <apokryphos> np :)
[02:04] <badtzmark> this console thingy
[02:04] <badtzmark> makes me feel like god
[02:04] <gdh> LOL
[02:04] <gdh> maybe Gentoo is more your thing :)
[02:04] <apokryphos> :P
[02:04] <badtzmark> lol
[02:05] <gdh> 48hrs of scrolling text = teh 1337 :)
[02:05] <badtzmark> i'm still a  noob
[02:06] <apokryphos> badtzmark: well, there are two types of noobs; (i) ones that go around for their whole time saying "I'm a noob", and (ii) ones that put in diligence to try to no longer be a noob to their system. :)
[02:06] <apokryphos> which one you will be -- is up to you. =)
[02:06] <gdh> if after 6 months you're still asking the same basic questions every time youset up a new systme, you should try www.microsoft.com instead :)
[02:07] <badtzmark> ii
[02:07] <gdh> use of sources.list / apt-get update is utterly core Debian-based stuff :)
[02:07] <apokryphos> gdh: 6 months? I'd really say about a month max. ;-)
[02:07] <badtzmark> i have MS
[02:07] <badtzmark> XP
[02:08] <badtzmark> SP2
[02:08] <badtzmark> i juz started using Linux frist time in my life since  yesterday
[02:08] <gdh> Ah, k - fair enough..
[02:08] <delltony_> do yourself a favor and purge xp :p
[02:08] <apokryphos> hehe
[02:08] <badtzmark> i can't
[02:08] <gdh> I just know too many people on other channels who still need their hand holding months after 'using Linux'
[02:08] <badtzmark> i got BF1942,CSS in there
[02:09] <gdh> badtzmark: Cedega does a fine job of many DirectX games :)
[02:09] <apokryphos> badtzmark: two links you'll want to use, really: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:09] <badtzmark> on the guide link now
[02:09] <badtzmark> learning to install apps
[02:09] <uniq> ubuntuforums.org is nice.
[02:10] <badtzmark> why does xmms look like winamp?
[02:10] <delltony_> its a clone :)
[02:10] <apokryphos> badtzmark: because they tried to copy it. ;-)
[02:10] <uniq> badtzmark: xmms is like winamp.
[02:10] <apokryphos> badtzmark: use amaroK. Far superior
[02:10] <delltony_> you can make it look exactly like it with a skin
[02:10] <badtzmark> yea it creates a libary of me tunes...
[02:11] <gdh> T|-|0R34uPu7|c: Wow you are too 1337 ph0r uz - I f33l pwn3d =)
[02:11] <gdh> hah :)
[02:11] <delltony_> check out k3b i looks alot like nero burn
[02:11] <badtzmark> i dun like winamp...
[02:11] <delltony_> i=it
[02:11] <gdh> badtzmark: haha then you want 'rhythmbox' :)
[02:11] <gdh> which is a GNOME app =)
[02:12] <gdh> I admit I use the Winamp skin with beep-music-player
[02:12] <uniq> me neither.. 
[02:12] <delltony_> i use lineakd and assigned a key to automatically launch xmms with club99.com in it :)
[02:12] <uniq> amarok is great.
[02:13] <gdh> I like amarok as a name, being the name of aMike Oldfield album :)
[02:13] <apokryphos> uniq: kubu is also really great with packaging it. 1.2.3 came out like on the same day that it was released. ;-)
[02:13] <gdh> but as an app it just feels clumsy
[02:13] <apokryphos> :-O
[02:14] <apokryphos> how so? Honestly, I think it's possibly one of the best apps out there for its job
[02:14] <uniq> apokryphos: I wouldn't know. I'm on vacation at my parentss house.. dialup.. :/ but it's great. the speed of packaging.. the guys really do a great job.
[02:14] <apokryphos> there are very few things more that I could ask for in MP3 media player
[02:14] <badtzmark> brb leanring to add repositories
[02:14] <gdh> apokryphos: for a start a music player shouldn't take 5+ seconds to start and show a lame splash screen :)
[02:15] <uniq> you can disable the splash :)
[02:15] <apokryphos> gdh: it can be disabled ;-), but that's generally not the point -- the starting. Should just live in the system tray...
[02:15] <gdh> the playlist is huge and intrusive, the colourset and graphic design is tacky.
[02:15] <gdh> I guess my point it - why is it there at all? It's KDE, of course it'll be configurable =)
[02:15] <chavo> I prefer juk myself.
[02:16] <apokryphos> The playlist can be made to practically any size yo uwant..
[02:16] <gdh> It's utterly excessive save for inflating some designer's ego
[02:16] <apokryphos> the colourset is fully configurable
[02:16] <apokryphos> hehe. That's the thing -- just like KDE -- you have the option to have it just how you like
[02:16] <apokryphos> Full with all the features, or minimal (just as minimal as juk)
[02:17] <gdh> I guess I like BMP because it's small, it does precisely what it sets out to do, browse for tracks, play tracks. no pissing about with repositories, huge indices of id3 tags et al, no cover CD art from Amazon and other needless junk
[02:17] <apokryphos> That really sounds like a GNOME criticism :P
[02:18] <gdh> and most stupidly of all, it doesn't even properly support KIOSlaves for smb://
[02:18] <gdh> i.e. one of the greatest features of KDE :)
[02:18] <apokryphos> People have preferences, of course, but in this particular case I don't see that one standing -- since it really is configurable. None of that stuff has to appear if you don't want it to.
[02:18] <uniq> bmp is nice too.. for small playlists.. 
[02:19] <gdh> uniq: that suits me - I would never queue more than a few tracks or a single album... 
[02:19] <gdh> I can't listen to 1000 tracks on random, etc. :) 
[02:19] <uniq> i use amarok at random repeat for like 10 000 files.. that doesn't fit bmp without longplay.
[02:19] <gdh> haha :)
[02:19] <gdh> isn't choice great? :)
[02:20] <uniq> it sure is.
[02:20] <apokryphos> 10000, yikes. Got around 1000 here; feel quit small. ;-)
[02:20] <badtzmark> hey
[02:20] <chavo> 10000 that's like a month straight.
[02:21] <badtzmark> i get this error after apt-get update
[02:21] <badtzmark> Reading package lists... Done
[02:21] <badtzmark> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[02:21] <badtzmark> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[02:21] <badtzmark> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[02:21] <badtzmark> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[02:21] <gdh> badtzmark: I'd say nothing to worry about... 
[02:22] <badtzmark> okie dokie
[02:22] <badtzmark> u said so
[02:22] <badtzmark> :)
[02:25] <badtzmark> what does sudo apt-get upgrade does
[02:26] <gdh> upgrades packages on your system to the latest available versions
[02:26] <badtzmark> its like windows update?
[02:26] <gdh> dist-upgrade is the 'bigger brother' verison
[02:26] <badtzmark> but only cooler?
[02:26] <gdh> it will retrieve new dependencies also
[02:27] <gdh> It's like windows update but without the necessity to sign away more of your personal freedoms every time you use it.
[02:27] <badtzmark> dist-upgrade?
[02:27] <gdh> yep.
[02:27] <badtzmark> guide didn't say anything about it
[02:28] <gdh> no, synaptic / kynaptic probably hide this from you
[02:29] <gdh> I dunno because I'm a die-hard Debian user who fancied less hassle in getting a desktop running :)
[02:29] <gdh> so I get thebest from both worlds
[02:29] <badtzmark> should a noob do it?
[02:29] <gdh> there's little reason why not
[02:30] <badtzmark> apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[02:31] <gdh> y
[02:31] <badtzmark> thats the command?
[02:31] <gdh> yes
[02:32] <badtzmark> i will only do it when stable release next week
[02:32] <apokryphos> If you installed recently, there's no real *need* to at all. Might be worth upgrading packages though if you have a bug etc.
[02:33] <badtzmark> okie
[02:33] <badtzmark> gotta  write that down
[02:33] <badtzmark> whats a better IM?
[02:33] <gdh> better than?
[02:34] <apokryphos> unless you have a slow connection, It's worth doing a dist-upgrade around every few weeks. Will update all your packages
[02:34] <badtzmark> what are u all using?
[02:34] <apokryphos> badtzmark: Kopete
[02:34] <gdh> Kopete
[02:34] <gdh> It'll already be installed...
[02:34] <badtzmark> apokryphos: i have a 2mb line,is that o.k or not enough?
[02:35] <uniq> more than good enought.. 
[02:35] <apokryphos> badtzmark: that's certainly quite alright.
[02:35] <badtzmark> o.kie
[02:35] <badtzmark> doing package upgrade now
[02:36] <badtzmark> scrolling text ROX!
[02:36] <apokryphos> hehe
[02:36] <uniq> heh..
[02:36] <badtzmark> beats progress bar anytime
[02:37] <gdh> amaroK is an irritating application!
[02:37] <badtzmark> i kinda like it
[02:38] <apokryphos> gdh: :P
[02:39] <uniq> I hate konsole.. aterm forever :)
[02:39] <gdh> maybe it'sjust artsd.
[02:39] <apokryphos> use Xine or Gstreamer
[02:39] <gdh> can it run without artsd anduse OSS / alsa directly? :)
[02:39] <uniq> gdh artsd is nice.. man.
[02:40] <gdh> ha :)
[02:40] <uniq> just make sure your artswrapper is setuid root.. 
[02:40] <gdh> arts is great for going 'boing' at approximately the right time :)
[02:40] <badtzmark> :S my mount is missing!
[02:40] <gdh> arts is great for going 'boing' at approximately the right time :)
[02:41] <gdh> oops
[02:41] <gdh> wrong window
[02:41] <badtzmark> how do i mount my NTFS?
[02:41] <gdh> mount -t ntfs /dev/hdaX /mnt/mountpoint ?
[02:41] <badtzmark> mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[02:42] <gdh> I'd put the options before the device name
[02:42] <gdh> Not sure that it'll make any difference, but it's what workd for me
[02:46] <badtzmark> OMG!
[02:46] <gdh> LOLWTFBBQ!!?!?
[02:47] <gdh> hey nobody said it was perfect :)
[02:47] <gdh> 'ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY' I think the phrase is =)
[02:47] <apokryphos> hehe
[02:48] <apokryphos> I like the way we're reminded of that when X crashes ;-)
[02:48] <gdh> they should add the sound of someone washing their hands...
[02:48] <badtzmark> amarok made me crash
[02:49] <gdh> see, it's filled with the devil :)
[02:49] <badtzmark> lol
[02:50] <apokryphos> badtzmark: heey, why? :P
[02:50] <badtzmark> i juz use the ctrl_alt_backspace
[02:50] <badtzmark> apokryphos: it  made me crash
[02:50] <apokryphos> hah. Your x really shouldn't be crashing...
[02:50] <apokryphos> badtzmark: are you sure it was dear amaroK? Very unlikely.
[02:50] <badtzmark> yes when i open 
[02:51] <badtzmark> i pressed playd....then no respones...cannot click on anything
[02:51] <gdh> It's true that a music player shouldn't make a low-level graphics interface fall over :)
[02:51] <badtzmark> using shit ass XMMS now:D
[02:51] <gdh> there must be half a dozen layers of abstraction in between the two
[02:52] <badtzmark> i'm evolving slowly
[02:52] <gdh> badtzmark: apt-get install beep-media-player - like XMMS, but GTK2 - looks less obscene :)
[02:52] <badtzmark> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:52] <badtzmark> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[02:53] <gdh> exactly what it says - do you have a dist-upgrade going on in another window?
[02:53] <badtzmark> upgrade
[02:53] <badtzmark> yeah
[02:53] <uniq> well.. gnite guys.. 
[02:53] <badtzmark> nite nite
[02:53] <badtzmark> its 9am here
[02:54] <gdh> badtzmark: There's your answer :) only one apt-get process can run at any time
[02:54] <uniq> it's 0300 here.. 
[02:54] <badtzmark> gnite...happy nightmare
[02:54] <badtzmark> where are u all from?
[02:55] <uniq> .no and now i'm going to bed. *there*... 
[02:56] <gdh> .uk :)
[02:56] <badtzmark> bill gates will haunt u in ya dream
[02:56] <gdh> although my hostmask should be a giveaway there :)
[02:57] <badtzmark> i'm from malaysia (where everything on wheels is darn expensive)
[02:57] <gdh> :) cars are cheap here, just running them is ridiclous.. tax.. insurance... petrol.. you name it...
[02:57] <apokryphos> badtzmark: Lovely country :). One of my sisters was born there ;-)
[02:58] <apokryphos> gdh: You sound like a UK resident =)
[02:58] <gdh> Hello :)
[02:58] <apokryphos> hehe, cool
[02:58] <gdh> Ah you have my sympathies :)
[02:59] <badtzmark> nissan skyline...USD 78,948.41
[02:59] <gdh> I'm originally from Belfast in Northern Ireland so I'm well accustomed to civil splits :)
[02:59] <gdh> badtzmark: Ah ha! you *are* a ricer :)
[02:59] <apokryphos> heh. Not too bad here; west London. Quite nice; lived all around London though..
[03:00] <badtzmark> no...i like fast car
[03:00] <badtzmark> my dream car is actually a Mustang Gt500
[03:00] <gdh> Oh I suppose.. yeh.. ricing is just taking  a nissan camry and putting alloys and speed stripes on it :)
[03:00] <gdh> ffs :)
[03:00] <gdh> those things shouldn'tbe legal...
[03:01] <badtzmark> no idea why at neon?
[03:01] <badtzmark> add*
[03:01] <gdh> sometimes when I see wankers screaming past at 60mph + on city streets I wish I had one of those police 'spike strips' to throw out in front of them,
[03:01] <badtzmark> why neon?why not LED?
[03:02] <badtzmark> my evo 3 spits fire 
[03:02] <badtzmark> when a ricer stops behind me
[03:04] <gdh> computers and cars - always some primal connection with men =)
[03:07] <phxguy> can somebody help me with my SoundBlaster Live ??? Doesn't seem to work
[03:08] <gdh> I only have a SB16 :) "modprobe sb" for many many years never failed yet :)
[03:09] <nydust> how do i mount an scsi cdrom? how can i see what dev it are using?
[03:09] <phxguy> gdh it gave me an error -> ATAL: Error inserting sb (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/oss/sb.ko): No such device
[03:10] <gdh> No I doubt your sblive will work with that command - I'veno ide what chip they use
[03:10] <gdh> my knowledge of PC hardware stops at about 1999, tbh :)
[03:12] <delltony> nydust do this go to a terminal and type cd /dev; ls;
[03:12] <apokryphos> gdh: definitely better than non-existent knowledge of hardware :P
[03:12] <delltony> that will show you the contents of the dev dir and usually the scsi drives start with a s
[03:12] <delltony> like sda and so forth
[03:12] <gdh> apokryphos: Yeh, but it starts in about 1998 ;)
[03:13] <delltony> is a kubuntuguide in the making?
[03:14] <gdh> delltony: Looks likeyou just volunteered yourself :)
[03:14] <apokryphos> A kubuntu guide is in the making, yes.
[03:15] <delltony> gdh: nah cause if i made it all of us would be confused including me :p
[03:15] <delltony> actually though
[03:15] <delltony> i have been considering making a simple database that will parse commands
[03:16] <moominski> gdh: hello m8
[03:16] <delltony> cause i can't remember alot of the terminal commands as i would like like advanced fines
[03:16] <delltony> finds even
[03:18] <delltony> find . -type f -name \*.jpg -exec jpegoptim --strip-all {} \; | grep ERROR | perl -e 'while (<STDIN>){@w=split;print "$w[0]  ";}' | xargs rm -f ;
[03:18] <delltony> find . -type d -name \cwdata -exec rm --recursive -f {} ';'
[03:18] <delltony>  i love this one 
[03:19] <gdh> find's a winner of a command
[03:19] <gdh> $crazy_shell++
[03:19] <delltony> yeah
[03:20] <delltony> so is grep grep has alot of uses i am finding out
[03:20] <gdh> there's nothing you can do in Perl that you can't do with two 'map's and a 'grep' apparently
[03:20] <delltony> and something alot of folks don't realize is cat will do more than one file at a time. i didn't realize it till i tried it
[03:22] <apokryphos> grep is great, yeah
[03:23] <delltony> one thing i have yeah to get to work and not sure if it even works anymore is the talk command i installed it had someone ssh into me but when i talk "id" nothing happens no big deal i just know thats how i got my first date in college
[03:23] <delltony> i believe i have told the story before if not and someone cares to hear ill repeat
[03:24] <gdh> talkd is running?
[03:24] <delltony> yeah its running
 dunno - never used it - tried ICQ? ;)
[03:24] <delltony> well i was in a programming class in college working on my b.s 
[03:24] <gdh> the idea of dating anyone I share a UNIX machine with me couldn't turn me off faster...
[03:25] <delltony> and anyway i started playing with the unix commands
[03:25] <badtzmark> http://www.applegeeks.com/downloads/ nice wallies
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[03:25] <delltony> and did a who and found this chick with the talk enabled so i talked her
[03:25] <delltony> so she was asking me how to do functions and stuff in class and id send her the stuff
[03:25] <gdh> heh so you could talk the talk....
[03:26] <delltony> or get her to chmod her home dir so i could screen her and stuff
[03:26] <gdh> wow isn't young love great? :)
[03:26] <delltony> well anyway we ended up talking for a while the whole class 
[03:26] <delltony> and at the end she goes hell stand up and all so i can get a look at you i want to know who you are
[03:26] <delltony> so i was thinking it might be the prof
[03:27] <badtzmark> http://www.applegeeks.com/downloads/ the got ROOT wallpaper roX
[03:27] <delltony> but i took the risk
[03:27] <gdh> and you both failed computer science - how sweet ;)
[03:27] <delltony> ended up being a kick ass looking blonde girl
[03:28] <delltony> now that gal is my wife and its funny we still communicate via chat. cause i'm always on the road
[03:30] <gdh> teh intarwab is teh k3wl =)
[03:30] <delltony> i know one thing my aunt called me on the road tonight and wasn't too pleased when i told her i don't use windows anymore so kinda hard to tell her exact registry entries to fix when i can't see what she is seeing
[03:30] <gdh> it's weird,actually..
[03:31] <gdh> I don't find it at all weird to conduct an IM chat with someone sitting on the same desk as me
[03:31] <delltony> you guys should see my kside.png haha it says Tony on Linux and has a girl in a thong instead of the gear
[03:31] <gdh> but find it /really/ odd having a phone call with someone on the other side of the room, and we can see each other...
[03:31] <apokryphos> delltony: Woww. What a story :)
[03:31] <delltony> gdh: no here is what i don't understand and help me out here
[03:32] <delltony> why in the hell do folks spend 20 mins typing a message on a phone
[03:32] <delltony> when they could jsut pick the damn thing up and use it
[03:32] <delltony> its a PHONE HELLO
[03:32] <gdh> well I just ordered my wife from www.asiandial-a-bride.com... :)
[03:32] <phxguy> so they dont use 20 minutes of there talk time
[03:32] <gdh> hah, the UK obsession with 'texting' I think is more obsessive than anywhere else in the world.
[03:32] <delltony> haha that reminds me and please don't take this the wrong way its only said as a joke
[03:32] <gdh> 10p for 160 characters... really good value
[03:33] <phxguy> text messages dont cost me anything here 
[03:33] <delltony> there was this philipin gal working at the production room building the server cabinets right
[03:33] <gdh> And people who spend 3 on a *RINGTONE*
[03:33] <delltony> well i was getting the stuff boxed up so i could go install it
[03:33] <delltony> and iw as using the nail gun and it misfired and almost shot a nail into her
[03:33] <delltony> i go damn i'm so sorry i really didn't mean to
[03:34] <delltony> this other guy i'm working with he goes oh hell don't worry about it she is probably still under warrenty 
[03:34] <delltony> :)
[03:34] <gdh> nasty! :D
[03:34] <delltony> and the reason i said that is cause she was a mail bride honeslty
[03:34] <delltony> her husband paid like 5 grand or so for her to come over here and marry him
[03:35] <gdh> It's a bad business.. but hey money talks.... and both parties get something out of the arrangement..
[03:35] <gdh> ain't humanity great?
[03:35] <delltony> hell if i could get away with it id shave my boobs and sell the pics
[03:35] <gdh> ebay backons...
[03:35] <gdh> beckons
[03:35] <moominski> hehe
[03:35] <delltony> man you can sell anything on ebay
[03:35] <delltony> and i do mean anything
[03:36] <delltony> if a dude can sell borkin wind
[03:36] <gdh> Aye that you can.. people will buy any shit
[03:36] <delltony> how in the hell  you sell wind?
[03:36] <moominski> like hair from downlo below 
[03:36] <badtzmark> When did France last hold the Winter Olympic Games?
[03:36] <badtzmark> urgent!! need answer
[03:36] <gdh> badtzmark: France has winter?
[03:36] <gdh> ask google, ffs
[03:36] <delltony> i wonder how much id get for my genital scabs :D
[03:37] <gdh> delltony: too much information!
[03:37] <badtzmark> http://azureus.sourceforge.net/ is asking 
[03:37] <moominski> lol ewww
[03:37] <badtzmark> i can't get in unless i answer it
[03:37] <gdh> A bittorrent client wants to know trivia?
[03:37] <badtzmark> u try get in that site...
[03:37] <gdh> haha cool - much better than passwords, that's for sure
[03:37] <delltony> badtzmark: why azureus
[03:37] <gdh> LOL
[03:37] <delltony> use bittornado
[03:37] <badtzmark> for linux?
[03:37] <delltony> yeah for linux
[03:38] <badtzmark> cause on win32 system i use azurues too
[03:38] <delltony> well i used to use azureus but its a java resource monster
[03:38] <badtzmark> i prefer azureus
[03:38] <delltony> and i have the source which i like
[03:39] <gdh> 1992
[03:39] <delltony> cause trackers use the clients reporting to calculate yoru stats
[03:39] <moominski> how can i find out wot king of programs are in the repositories??
[03:39] <delltony> so you simply modify the code to double that value
[03:39] <delltony> :)
[03:39] <moominski> king
[03:39] <moominski> kind i mean
[03:39] <delltony> kynaptic?
[03:39] <badtzmark> i'mm try tornado then
[03:40] <delltony> yeah kpackage is good
[03:40] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: I though kde was supposed to handle that already. I know the kfile_ is there.
[03:40] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: whatwhat? Qtorrent is available at the mo for torrents, but kget can't handle yet.
[03:41] <delltony> badtzmark: the thing is its py files so you might need to install python
[03:41] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: I believe it's still the "most wanted wish" on bugs.kde.org
[03:41] <badtzmark> owh..
[03:41] <delltony> and you simply put the files in you ~/bin dir
[03:41] <LeeJunFan> kdenetwork-kfile-plugins
[03:41] <delltony> and then make symbolic links to btdownloadgui.py
[03:41] <LeeJunFan> yeah, but it doesn't work.
[03:41] <delltony> and so forth
[03:42] <gdh> Heh, using KDE native tools to download moviez and xbox warez won't protect you ;)
[03:42] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: Just what I'd go for if I had any effort.. maybe in the summer
[03:42] <gdh> you will still end up with a solicitiors letter =)
[03:42] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: my brother is constantly echoing its praises
[03:42] <moominski> jeeze ther is thousands how can i tell wot they r for??
[03:43] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: Yeah, I do C,Assem,BASIC (if I could remember much of it :), php, TCL, and none of them seems to be the do-all lang. Other than C which is too time consuming for trivial stuff.
[03:43] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: From what I've learned of python so far it seems to be just that language.
[03:44] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: people who have done C/C++ love it because the results from python programming are instant in comparison
[03:44] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: That way I can just try to forget the others and use C and python, oh and BASH :)
[03:44] <apokryphos> ;-)
[03:45] <LeeJunFan> I don't care what anyone says - bash is a programming lang :)
[03:45] <LeeJunFan> sed and awk are just libraries. :)
[03:45] <gdh> a bit twisted and evil, but functionaly :)
[03:45] <gdh> haha
[03:45] <delltony> LeeJunFan: try doing c++ with mfc sometime when your a windows api guy and the company insist you use (M)icroshits (F)u**edup (C)lass
[03:45] <gdh> all hail the pipe operator ...
[03:46] <delltony> I told them to find someone else and they ended up doing the project in c#
[03:46] <LeeJunFan> delltony: actually why I'm digging python right now, I can develop python code and use QT, GTK and or TK for GUI and it can all run on windows even :)  TK is available for about everything under the sun.
[03:47] <delltony> yeah thats why i'm trying ot learn perl
[03:47] <apokryphos> perl = evil
[03:47] <LeeJunFan> delltony: I refuse to learn that sh!t
[03:47] <apokryphos> (completely unsubstantiated; going on what random people in #kde say)
[03:47] <gdh> perl's evil, yep. but it's about all Iknow :)
[03:47] <delltony> it was a joke
[03:47] <delltony> april fools
[03:47] <apokryphos> hehe
[03:48] <apokryphos> My April Fools joke was a day too early unfortunately
[03:48] <gdh> I do bad perl and bad bash...
[03:48] <gdh> but I'm not a coder, so that's OK =)
[03:48] <apokryphos> I can write "Hello World" in C++ if that helps
[03:48] <LeeJunFan> delltony: I tried perl, made a few small things for accounting iptables data into mysql with it - and I just hated it.
[03:48] <apokryphos> anyone need someone to type it, I'm your man
[03:48] <delltony> well to the most part now i just use php-cl
[03:48] <delltony> cause i can call it with system("blahblah");
[03:49] <delltony> from a webpage
[03:49] <LeeJunFan> I like php, it's got nice structure. like C.
[03:49] <delltony> and do the stuff remotely
[03:49] <gdh> haha :)
[03:49] <gdh> using php mainly as an interface to run system command - that's classy :)
[03:49] <delltony> how you think websites do it man ;)
[03:49] <delltony> prime example
[03:49] <gdh> PHP is a real bag of shit =)
[03:50] <apokryphos> oiee :P. PHP is cool.
[03:50] <gdh> 'what API shall we change today?'
[03:50] <LeeJunFan> And I learned PHP in a damn day and wrote a web page backend with php/mysql for a hotel reservation system. PHP was so easy because I knew C already.
[03:50] <delltony> apache has a 2 gig limit on downloads
[03:50] <apokryphos> brings great scripts
[03:50] <gdh> PHP is a no-brainer, for certain :) 
[03:50] <delltony> advanced php is more complex
[03:50] <delltony> the basic php is simple for sure
[03:50] <gdh> funny you should mention hotel systems.. my day job is sysadmin for www.laterooms.com .. we're a total php/mysql shop
[03:51] <delltony> preventing sql inserts
[03:51] <delltony> and things of that nature requires more work
[03:51] <delltony> example you can have a site taht accepts only the mimes of jpeg,png
[03:52] <delltony> you can easily take and change the mime type to jpeg of a php file
[03:52] <delltony> upload it
[03:52] <delltony> and run it ;)
[03:52] <LeeJunFan> gdh: neat thing is that with python and TK I could easily (once I learn it :) )write an admin app for the windows people to change prices w/o using the html.
[03:52] <delltony> but ill shut up now
[03:53] <gdh> LeeJunFan: I can appreciate that ... a simple XML / SOAP Visual Basic frontend was something we've considered
[03:53] <gdh> simply because VB's a piece of piss to knock together
[03:53] <delltony> c# was the easiest shit i ever used
[03:54] <LeeJunFan> gdh: yeah, regrettable ( not really :) ), I've never done any windows devel. hehe
[03:54] <delltony> the wizard does pretty much all the work for you
[03:54] <gdh> LeeJunFan: I'm proud to say we have no Windows server in the building... a bunch of XP desktops, sure.. but fairly minimal...
[03:54] <LeeJunFan> gdh: I've wanted to learn VB, but never can get myself to stay in windows long enough to do anything but play games, in which case I'm not really looking at the OS :)
[03:54] <gdh> heh :)
[03:55] <LeeJunFan> I don't have an X-box game console, but I've got an XP-box game console :)
[03:55] <delltony> well my 3 laptops have that made for windows crap on it or i should say did have
[03:55] <delltony> i bought some of thos stickers that says linux inside
[03:55] <delltony> looks pretty cool actually
[03:55] <delltony> made out of the same stuff
[03:56] <apokryphos> Anyone here thinking of going to aKademy?
[03:57] <delltony> apokryphos: only if the big boobed girl from police academy is there (the blonde girl)
[03:58] <apokryphos> heh
[04:00] <moominski> wots the best media player for linux
[04:01] <delltony> i'm dying for ramzi's tip of the day
[04:01] <delltony> haha
[04:02] <gdh> moominski: Mostly  a question of taste. mplayer/xine are the two core players.. with any  number of frontends like KMPlayer / KPlayer / Kaffeine, etc.
[04:04] <LeeJunFan> personally I like xine. because it doesn't leave images of itself running after it quits like kaff does at the moment :)
[04:04] <delltony> gdh: you ever use ogle?
[04:04] <gdh> Never used it... isn't it mainly for playing DVDs ?
[04:04] <delltony> yeah
[04:04] <gdh> I don't own any DVDs :)
[04:04] <delltony> me either
[04:05] <delltony> but i have a bunch :)
[04:05] <gdh> ha, but you warez a lot =)
[04:05] <gdh> haha
[04:05] <delltony> who me?
[04:05] <delltony> never
[04:05] <gdh> information wants to be free, eh? tsk.
[04:05] <delltony> i'm technically renting 
[04:06] <delltony> haha
[04:06] <delltony> the one with the plasma case and padlock?
[04:06] <delltony> haha i went ot best buys the other day the guy looked at me kinda funny
[04:06] <gdh> ha, all for personal consumption, officer =)
[04:06] <delltony> i had 3 100 spendles of dvds
[04:06] <delltony> and 3 cdr 100 spindles
[04:07] <delltony> he goes man you doing alot of burning aren't you
[04:07] <delltony> i go yeah gonna make it a blockbuster night :D
[04:07] <gdh> haha :)
[04:11] <delltony> i know one thing iw as happy aobut
[04:11] <delltony> the nec dvd burner i have is the same model as the 6500 that is dual layer
[04:11] <delltony> but it had a single layer bios in it
[04:11] <delltony> i flashed taht bad boy and now get dvd9
[04:11] <gdh> The NEC unit I had was awful - really shitty compatibility with many major makes of DVD-R - even ritek dyes :/
[04:12] <gdh> would burn 4x discs at 2x almost all the time
[04:12] <delltony> it has a speedlock on it
[04:12] <delltony> i took that shit off
[04:12] <delltony> let the damn thing blow up for all i care :)
[04:12] <gdh> heh :)
[04:12] <delltony> i want one of those exploding cds like myth busters
[04:13] <delltony> 56k rpm go boom
[04:13] <gdh> hah now there's one of the few shows on TV I watch :)
[04:13] <delltony> did you see where they put the cd on a router?
[04:13] <delltony> haha
[04:13] <gdh> great stuff - yes .. nice and fast :)
[04:14] <gdh> am amazed nobody ended up with pierced eyeballs
[04:14] <delltony> yeah the thing is as they stated and its true the things state 56x or whateve
[04:14] <delltony> rbut never achieve that
[04:14] <delltony> i shouldn't say never
[04:14] <delltony> but most pcs will not let it run that high
[04:14] <delltony> you ever watch "the broken"
[04:14] <gdh> and still sound like there's a small industrial unit going on in your drive-bay.
[04:15] <gdh> dunno what that is.
[04:15] <delltony> go here
[04:15] <delltony> http://homepage.mac.com/kevinrose/thebroken1.avi
[04:15] <delltony> i think thats the right page
[04:15] <gdh> nop
[04:15] <delltony> then do 2 and then 3
[04:16] <LeeJunFan> 404
[04:16] <delltony> hm let me find it hang on
[04:16] <gdh> .mac- I feel soiled.
[04:18] <delltony> damn the took it off
[04:18] <delltony> you will have to find a mirror for it
[04:18] <delltony> but its funny stuff its so called "hacking" kevin rose is from tech tv
[04:18] <delltony> but its funny
[04:18] <gdh> heh, k :)
[04:18] <jsubl2> what package must be installed for menu editing to work
[04:19] <delltony> they are showing idiots how to use kazaa
[04:19] <delltony> basically making fun of it
[04:19] <LeeJunFan> jsubl2: whaddya mean?
[04:19] <gdh> jsubl2: K -> run -> kmenuedit
[04:19] <LeeJunFan> jsubl2: or do your updates and right clicking K -> edit menu will work.
[04:19] <jsubl2> ok... thanks
[04:19] <gdh> (yes) :)
[04:19] <jsubl2> ok... updating
[04:20] <jsubl2> damn 128meg of updates.. somebody has been busy
[04:20] <jsubl2> thanks gdh  and LeeJunFan 
[04:20] <LeeJunFan> np
[04:20] <gdh> :)
[04:22] <jsubl2> got my chroot setup
[04:22] <jsubl2> us ubuntu mirror is pretty quick
[04:24] <apokryphos> jsubl2: what speeds are you getting there?
[04:25] <jsubl2> 285K
[04:26] <jsubl2> 68% [119 linux-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic 4610160/14.6MB 31%]     333kB/s 2m0s
[04:29] <gdh> hehe Connecting to cdimage.ubuntu.com[82.211.81.176] :80... connected. Length: 612,003,840 [application/octet-stream]  11% [[04:29] <jsubl2> damn
[04:29] <gdh> that's at work - I only have 1Mbps at home :)
[04:29] <jsubl2> yeah that is what i have
[04:31] <gdh> heh, we're 8ms away from cdimage.ubuntu.com
[04:31] <jsubl2> nice
[04:31] <gdh> would beless only we're halfway up the country
[04:31] <randabis> damn u kickin' ass
[04:32] <delltony> hey gdh go here http://www.thebroken.org/  that site is working again
[04:32] <LeeJunFan> Damn I'm not even 8ms from my own arse.
[04:32] <gdh> OK OK I don't do lame bragging about speed and latency normally :)
[04:33] <LeeJunFan> 64 bytes from 82.211.81.155: icmp_seq=9 ttl=52 time=119 ms
[04:33] <gdh> delltony: those vids will take me all night to get... I'll be well-asleep by then
[04:34] <delltony> get a fast connection man :D
[04:34] <gdh> It's quick, it's just, er, busy :)
[04:34] <delltony> live for tomorrow not last year ;)
[04:34] <delltony> yeah the vids are kinda big though but its funny 
[04:34] <delltony> i just use kget and forget about it
[04:36] <gdh> delltony http://readysetconnect.com/?thebroken/ has a major fuckup with Konq
[04:36] <gdh> it opens a new 'Live support' window every 10 seconds...
[04:36] <delltony> konq i don't use 
[04:36] <delltony> i use firefox daily builds
[04:36] <delltony> but that is personal choice
[04:38] <Riddell> delltony: just as long as you use it with the qt-gtk theme engine :)
[04:39] <gdh> To make GTK as slow as Qt you mean ? ;)
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[04:40] <delltony> i do
[04:40] <gdh> haha
[04:41] <apokryphos> We've gotta find a way to enable an automatic lock -- for the non-use of GTK apps ;-)
[04:42] <gdh> A KDE 'Clippy' that comes on and evangelises to you every time you launch a non-Qt app...
[04:42] <gdh> ha, Klippy of course :)
[04:42] <apokryphos> I like it ;-)
[04:42] <gdh> "It looks like you're being a heathen!"
[04:43] <randabis> apokryphos: unfortunately I have to use gaim because kopete has problems with my aol accounts :/
[04:43] <randabis> I use the gtk-qt engine though
[04:43] <apokryphos> AIM? Works fine here :P
[04:43] <randabis> so it matches everything else
[04:44] <randabis> yeah, people who I IM don't get my messages
[04:44] <delltony> ok i'm having a brain fart and its eating at me 
[04:44] <gdh> Yeh, here too... just a pity Kopete's Jabber support is fairly incomplete :/
[04:44] <delltony> whats the command to show all added users in a terminal
[04:44] <gdh> delltony: more /etc/passwd ? :)
[04:44] <delltony> aww yeah thats it
[04:44] <delltony> but i thought there was a command like users
[04:44] <gdh> not that i'm aware of...
[04:44] <delltony> but that only shows signed on users
[04:45] <gdh> 'who' or 'w' ?
[04:45] <delltony> as with the who command
[04:45] <delltony> but /etc/passwd does the trick
[04:45] <delltony> thanks
[04:45] <apokryphos> randabis: that's definitely a hinderence :P
[04:47] <randabis> apokryphos: yeah, it happens on my sister's too so I had to have her use gaim too
[04:47] <gdh> always finish with something light =)
[04:48] <gdh> some weird prob with your account specifically? worth filing a bugreport against in case your account has some odd flags set?
[04:48] <gdh> worth a few tcpdump traces from gaim + kopete at least
[04:52] <gdh> k, time for bed - nna
[04:59] <moominski> hi all
[05:02] <badtzmark> how to see running applications in Kubuntu?
[05:11] <Roey> hi
[05:44] <phxguy> anyone care to help me with my volume control?
[05:46] <zapada> are they going to have a "ship-it for" kubuntu?
[05:49] <chavo> zapada, not that I'm aware of
[05:50] <zapada> :(
[06:02] <delltony_> zapada, send me a 100 usd and ill burn you a cd :D
[06:04] <zapada> delltony: how about f-u
[06:04] <chavo> zapada, I'll do it for free.
[06:05] <zapada> really?
[06:05] <zapada> but first I have to get my modem to work
[06:05] <zapada> and I need to get this software to work on it too: http://www.internetcallmanager.com/index.html
[06:05] <chavo> Is it a winmodem?
[06:05] <zapada> how would I get that to work?
[06:05] <zapada> chavo: yes
[06:06] <chavo> zapada, I don't think you'll be able to get that program working under linux.
[06:07] <zapada> damn
[06:07] <zapada> they only have windows and mac version
[06:07] <chavo> still stuck on dialup huh?
[06:08] <zapada> yeah
[06:08] <zapada> no broadband where I live
[06:08] <zapada> I don't live in the city
[06:08] <chavo> me neither.
[06:08] <chavo> But I have wireless from verizon.
[06:09] <chavo> It's pretty cool, I get a fast connection anywhere I go.
[06:09] <zapada> cool
[06:09] <chavo> I can download at 100Kbs at home
[06:09] <chavo> some places I get up to 300.
[06:09] <chavo> But it's $80 a month
[06:10] <zapada> I give up on linux... no point going on with 56k and a shitty software modem
[06:10] <zapada> no point to sacrifice all my programs just to get a bit more stability
[06:10] <chavo> well, there are drivers for winmodems
[06:10] <zapada> I have the linuxant ones
[06:11] <zapada> but the prob is that I need that call manager program, because we only have 1 line, and my dad needs to be able to pickup messages even when we are online
[06:11] <chavo> I have Mandrake 10.1 on my laptop and it came with winmodem drivers, slmodem
[06:11] <chavo> yeah, that sucks
[06:12] <zapada> I got my modem to function, just that it doesn't connect
[06:12] <zapada> and when it dials, it's just a continuous beep
[06:13] <chavo> I've always had good luck with wvdial
[06:13] <zapada> I used the ubuntu/gnome's network manager thing
[06:13] <zapada> ill try this in a few mins: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DialupModemHowto/view?searchterm=modem
[06:14] <chavo> If you have it functioning under windows, you can grab the modem log and get the init strings from there
[06:15] <zapada> I don't think I use init strings
[06:27] <_owner> hey
[06:27] <loren> :)
[06:27] <loren> im curious as to how much you guys like Kubuntu in here
[06:28] <loren> im considering movin over again, i tried it but i didn't like the inital behavior (which can obviously be changed)
[06:31] <jsubl2> which initial behavior
[06:57] <delltony_> ok i know you can chmod 000 a dir to deny access to it but how do you hide it off the ls tree?
[06:59] <crimsun> you'll need to use extended attributes
[07:00] <dimmak> why is setting the time soooo troublesome?
[07:00] <crimsun> ...it is?
[07:01] <crimsun> I've always used date, ntp-server, or ntpdate
[07:01] <dimmak> yeah... especially if i check the set date and time automatically box
[07:01] <crimsun> eh, I've not used the gui tools
[07:01] <dimmak> then the current time zone never sticks... and the time always gets messed up
[07:01] <dimmak> currently in the kde control module... it shows 14:01:... and the clock in my menu shows 21:01
[07:02] <dimmak> and if i check the set date and time automatically box... and select my timezone... it changes a lot and is always wrong:-)
[07:04] <dimmak> like it says it is is 5:03 for PST time zone... i am pretty sure it is 21:03... but maybe i am wrong... what is the matrix?
[07:04] <delltony_> crimsun, i forgot duh me just change it to .<dirname>
[07:04] <crimsun> delltony_: that still shows up with ls -a
[07:04] <delltony_> agreed
[07:05] <delltony_> but there isn't a way to truely hide it is there
[07:06] <delltony_> i know you said extended attributes are you talking about like the sid flag and stuff?
[07:12] <crimsun> delltony_: don't have much experience with ext3's EA
[07:13] <bc> ok, I'm not complaining, but I am perplexed:  how is it that kubuntu is now playing divx avi files off my lan, without my having installed anything for that?  I mean, I have universe enabled, but I didn't download any media stuff...
[07:14] <delltony_> ok ill look into it its not big deal but there are some things id like to totally lock down if i could that pertain to work
[07:14] <bc> I thought these formats weren't supported out of the box...
[07:16] <badtzmark> which IM has webcam support?
[07:17] <bc> jesus, divx plays, but mp3 doesn't; at least not with amarok... 
[07:17] <chavo> bc, I think that will be removed for final release.
[07:18] <bc> whoops, mp3's DO play with kaffeine...
[07:19] <bc> chavo:  why, are they going to clean up the patent-encoumbered stuff, like (gnome) ubuntu?
[07:19] <chavo> bc, according to the wiki, but it is close to release.
[07:23] <bc> well, patents or not, this is really convenient for me! and kaffeine is loading these (quite large) files extremely fast off my lan.
[07:24] <bc> I'm amazed; my network access is vastly better than it was with an earlier install of ubuntu, I wonder id smbclient was improved or something...
[07:25] <badtzmark> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/mark_vincent/box.jpg
[07:25] <badtzmark> my screenie comments please
[07:32] <bc> oh great, now just when I was praising how smb client was letting me see my windows box, it's shutting me out completely, asking me for authentication and not accepting anything I try to enter.
[07:34] <bc> and now it's letting me in again!!!!  What the hell is up with that!  (gnome) ubuntu used to do the same thing, with a different install!  What the hell is the deal here?
[07:47] <loren> gah
[07:47] <loren> i've hard the problem
[07:47] <loren> it was a pain in the ass
[07:49] <TechLord> i need some assistance, i'm not able to get lineakd to work
[07:51] <TechLord> anyone here?
[07:51] <Badtzmark> i m
[07:52] <TechLord> do you know how to get lineakd to work?
[07:52] <loren> im here
[07:52] <loren> kindof
[07:52] <loren> i dont even know what linkhead is unfortunatly :(
[07:52] <bc> heh, me neither, TechLord.  Sorry
[07:53] <TechLord> np 
[07:53] <loren> bragging** haha
[07:53] <loren> haha
[07:53] <loren> :)
[07:53] <loren> im considering moving back to Kunbuntu
[07:53] <loren> still thinkin about it
[07:54] <TechLord> what are u using now?
[07:54] <loren> Xandros
[07:54] <loren> only coz of apt-get, and uhn it was easy to install
[07:54] <bc> I can't even manage to keep the volume control in my system tray!  The inconsistency of behavior on this thing is making me insane.  I mean Windows sucks, but at least it *-consistently-* sucks!
[07:55] <loren> but it's pretty much a piece of garbage since i figured out many distros have apt-get like commands
[07:56] <loren> Ubuntu was the best Gnome disto i tried, so i wonder if that makes Kubuntu the best KDE distro haha
[07:56] <TechLord> i think it is
[07:56] <bc> well, I hated  kde before kubuntu, so maybe.  But maybe it's just because the new kde version is so much better.
[07:57] <loren> yeah?
[07:57] <loren> i did use KDe3.4 and hell
[07:57] <loren> it rocks!
[07:58] <loren> and i love debian
[07:58] <loren> sooOooOO
[07:58] <loren> maby i should get off this Xandros Crap and go back to Ubuntu haha
[07:59] <bc> yep.  It's fast.  Once I turned of the fucking bouncing cursors (god whoever dreamed that crap up has too much time on his hands!) I was very happy
[07:59] <loren> haha
[07:59] <loren> it's apple style
[07:59] <loren> but linux is the reason i dont use mac
[08:00] <loren> or more the reason why im not learning about macs coz imo i know to much about windows and everyone knows about windows
[08:00] <loren> so why not "think different"
[08:00] <jsubl2> i turned off some of the bootup stuff like evms lvm etc....  helped the boot times alot
[08:00] <loren> what command do you use to get to the bootup stuff?
[08:00] <loren> or is it a config file
[08:01] <bc> yeah, I need to do that to, jsubl2 -- I don't have a floppy, don't use raid, and don't use lvm-- hell, half the stuff that's showing up in the boot I can probably dispense with
[08:01] <jsubl2> not sure about the proper command... i just move the stuff to a save place... 
[08:02] <jsubl2> in case i mess something up and have to put it back
[08:02] <loren> ah
[08:02] <loren> yea
[08:02] <loren> messing thigns up uhm
[08:02] <loren> is VERY VERY BAD lol
[08:02] <loren> catastrophic failure ;)
[08:03] <jsubl2> thinking about getting rid of some of the kernel modules that load.. not sure how to do that yet
[08:03] <loren> yea?
[08:03] <loren> i'm still not even sure what half the stuff does
[08:03] <jsubl2> although most of them look like they are needed
[08:03] <loren> haha yea
[08:04] <loren> i wish linux would be more "simplified"
[08:04] <loren> like the file structure, and the apps it needs to boot
[08:04] <bc> I'd say the file structure, yep, probably fairly important... ;-)
[08:05] <loren> linus Torvald? or however you spell it could prolly get it done
[08:05] <loren> he seems to have a big influence
[08:05] <bc> gnome hated me , so I hate it back.  
[08:05] <loren> haha
[08:05] <loren> i liked Gnome when i used a old 400mhz laptop coz it worked and hated KDE coz it didn't
[08:06] <loren> but when i upgraded to 2.8Ghz, i figured the extra overhead really doesn't matter
[08:06] <bc> heh heh, loren, that was exactly the same for me
[08:06] <bc> !
[08:06] <loren> yeah?
[08:06] <loren> wow, coincidence
[08:06] <loren> i think gnome needs reform if it's gonna survive bc
[08:07] <loren> especially at least something more eye-candy
[08:07] <loren> like crystal icons
[08:07] <loren> or just something
[08:07] <loren> but aside from that it's clean
[08:07] <bc> I think it needs not only reform, but some "form", period, loren ;-)
[08:07] <loren> but not useful to me
[08:07] <loren> haha nice one bc, i'd agree
[08:07] <loren> KDE can do everything someone needs to do
[08:07] <loren> thus people use it
[08:07] <bc> GuiNotOfferingMenuEditing, that's gnome
[08:07] <loren> Gnome has apps, but isn't really usable like KDE
[08:07] <loren> it's more experimental
[08:08] <loren> worst Desktop Environment i used was Solaris' propriatary Desktop Environment bc
[08:08] <loren> bc: it sucked, and the sad thing is some 14 year old kid could skin it to look like a god
[08:08] <loren> but they just had smart people and it looked like crap
[08:09] <loren> and wasn't really usable either
[08:09] <loren> i bet it loaded fast though
[08:09] <bc> lol
[08:09] <loren> sun keeps talking about its "advanced" technology
[08:09] <loren> and then it pulled that shit
[08:09] <loren> i wasn't impressed like i thought i'd be haha
[08:10] <bc> My favorite os was (is, though it's good and dead) BeOs, personal edition.  Booted in ten seconds, great multimedia, extremely easy to use.
[08:10] <bc> Gnome seems like a gui made by people who'd just as soon not use a gui.
[08:10] <loren> ah OMG
[08:10] <loren> i was gonna try BeOS
[08:10] <loren> but it didn't work on VMWare
[08:10] <loren> haha, i totally agree bc
[08:11] <loren> it's the command-savvy unix users kindof
[08:11] <loren> not that command is bad
[08:11] <bc> Yeah, and I couldn't get BeOs working on Athlons (tho' I think there's a patch).  
[08:11] <loren> but i like a mix, and a good gui, and a good command interface
[08:11] <loren> owch
[08:11] <loren> you know
[08:11] <bc> yep
[08:11] <loren> HaikuOS took up BeOS and is developing it ;)
[08:11] <loren> and there's also a awsome OS in production called SkyOS
[08:11] <bc> lol
[08:11] <loren> i love Sky
[08:12] <loren> http://www.skyos.org/images/viewer_mockup_001.png
[08:12] <bc> wait a minute, HaikuOs, hunh?  I'm behind the times.  Need to look at some of this stuff...
[08:12] <loren> feels like a mac ;)
[08:12] <loren> bc, it's currently in development but hasnt taken off the ground
[08:12] <loren> i almost passed over it myself, but found it
[08:13] <loren> it's currently under development
[08:13] <bc> I may get a mac mini; be nice to have a really quiet, small computer just to serve music files or whatever...
[08:13] <loren> and im deffinatly a canidate to try it since BeOS ran like butter
[08:13] <loren> yea?
[08:13] <loren> you gonna put linux on it? haha
[08:13] <bc> my desktop sounds like a 30 year old refrigerator in a heat wave
[08:13] <loren> mwhaha
[08:13] <loren> rofl
[08:13] <loren> nice
[08:13] <bc> yep, linux on the mini!
[08:13] <loren> i dispise mac
[08:14] <loren> because it feels like the mac mini is just to lock people into using mac products and for them to raise the price
[08:14] <loren> they sell it cheap now and once you're using their stuff they raise the prices and bamn
[08:14] <bc> I like the apps, but the interface, yuck
[08:14] <loren> yea?
[08:14] <loren> BeOS can emulate Mac applications ;)
[08:14] <bc> yes, way too expensive, the mac stuff
[08:14] <loren> something Sheep is the emulator name
[08:15] <loren> i really wish they'd use X86 arcatecture
[08:15] <loren> but hell, they'd prolly die
[08:15] <loren> and then linux would rise
[08:15] <loren> not that thats a bad thing ;)
[08:15] <loren> Linux Kills!
[08:15] <bc> BeOs even managed to work with my ATI tv capture card; can't say that for linux!
[08:15] <loren> yea?
[08:15] <loren> 0_o
[08:15] <loren> wow
[08:16] <bc> (it wasn't pretty, but somebody managed a plugin that worked)
[08:16] <da_bon_bon> anyone here have the game uplink : hacker elite ?
[08:16] <loren> BeEmpire i heard tons of stuff about
[08:16] <loren> like how well it worked with applications
[08:16] <loren> and how they had awsome apps and stuff
[08:16] <loren> da_bon_bon, nope i dont have it atleast
[08:16] <da_bon_bon> loren: thank you :P
[08:16] <loren> hehe
[08:17] <loren> if you're looking for it you might be able to find a demo somewhere around here
[08:17] <loren> i'm stunned by how many game demo's are for linux
[08:17] <bc> da_bon_bon, I have a feeling the hacker elite are congregating in the gnome channels... 
[08:17] <loren> haha
[08:17] <loren> :)
[08:17] <loren> bc, have you gotten a chance to check out SkyOS?
[08:17] <loren> i gotta reffer it to you
[08:17] <loren> coz damn it's hot!
[08:17] <bc> no, but I will  -- 
[08:18] <loren> :)
[08:18] <loren> i can't wait till 5.0 comes out
[08:18] <loren> and from what i hear most Linux Code Compiles on their GCC
[08:18] <loren> even though it's not linux based at all
[08:18] <bc> wow
[08:18] <loren> it's from the ground up
[08:18] <loren> but built according to a simular archatecture
[08:20] <bc> that's what we need, is some ground up, new os's.  I mean, in a lot of ways *nix is just too damn old!  Frankly I'm not sure it's ever gonna be ideal as a personal desktop kind of environment...
[08:20] <loren> i think it's built off to much other stuff
[08:20] <loren> i wish linux would just go out there and start over
[08:20] <loren> it'd be hella faster, more efficient
[08:20] <bc> but I'm hoping for the impossible; I need an os that forgives me for being an idiot without it being idiotic itself...
[08:20] <loren> and with the same archatecture it'd kickass
[08:20] <loren> hehe, true that
[08:21] <bc> you're right, loren
[08:21] <loren> i bet you anything Linus would be able to change that
[08:21] <loren> 10$ he steps in the directiona
[08:21] <loren> and thousands upon thousands of developers would switch
[08:21] <bc> but, ubuntu (and especially kde) seem to be greatly improving things
[08:21] <loren> hell yeah!
[08:22] <loren> but that doesn't mean KDE wouldn't switch over ;)
[08:22] <loren> like MS Office went to Mac
[08:22] <loren> Ubuntu though :( i really like those guys
[08:22] <loren> it'd be a pitty to leave them out
[08:22] <bc> Whoever gets everybody's favorite games to work easily on a new os will win this fight.
[08:22] <loren> haha hell yeah!
[08:22] <bc> If I were a gamer, I wouldn't bother with linux at all
[08:23] <loren> pff, linux has hella games man haha
[08:23] <loren> i got Doom3 and UT2004 on here ;)
[08:23] <loren> oh, and i just got Loki which downloads major demos
[08:23] <dimmak> and with things like cedega (winex) performance is decent right?
[08:23] <loren> there's like 20 different games
[08:23] <loren> Cedega sucks i personally feel
[08:23] <dimmak> never tried it
[08:23] <loren> i'm avoiding it
[08:23] <loren> but it is important
[08:24] <loren> wine though
[08:24] <loren> wine is the bridge
[08:24] <bc> wine and Cedega give me a headache just to think about.
[08:24] <loren> once the OSes get interdependent it's all over
[08:24] <loren> there will be an OS for Servers
[08:24] <loren> Users
[08:24] <loren> and Business
[08:24] <loren> and that'd be it
[08:24] <dimmak> well i like vmware... i use it for some windows applications that aren't cross platform... and i can have full access to ntfs partitions without any problems
[08:24] <dimmak> well... no problems yet
[08:24] <bc> Virtual OS's everywhere; lightning fast emulators you could run right off the web
[08:25] <loren> dimmak: yeah? awsome, that's good you emulate windows on linux?
[08:25] <loren> Virtual OS's?
[08:25] <bc> no, I don't, I'm just dreaming!
[08:25] <loren> is that an emulator or a discription
[08:26] <loren> i put my money on SkyOS if they do it right man
[08:26] <loren> hell i'll use it
[08:26] <dimmak> yeah... i used to emulate linux on windows to test out new distributions before i committed them to a partition
[08:26] <loren> ah
[08:26] <dimmak> i am glad i am to the point of doing it the other way around
[08:26] <bc> I haven't progressed past the "oh look, linux can see my Windows box, cool!" phase.  
[08:26] <loren> dimmak: i did that for a while with VMWare demo, but then quit it coz it was a pain and windows got the blue screen of death and died
[08:27] <bc> I tried Cygwin before, didn't work for me.
[08:27] <loren> bc, mwhahah rofl, samba problems?
[08:27] <loren> bc, i tried cywwin trying to like, use it to 
[08:27] <loren> install KDE
[08:27] <loren> didn't work haha
[08:27] <loren> maby i was doing it wronge? lol
[08:27] <dimmak> i used cygwin and hummingbird exceed for x11 stuff... didn't do much with it
[08:28] <bc> I don't know whether samba hates me, or whether my windows box hates me...  somebody hates me, anyway..
[08:28] <loren> SkyOS uses Cygwin to use GCC to compile the OS
[08:28] <dimmak> i just wanted hummingbird exceed so that i could run linux apps off my school's terminal server
[08:28] <loren> bc. when that happens i just kill the OS and start over ;) haha
[08:28] <loren> but that's unefficient and i guess it works though
[08:29] <bc> my new laptop likes me, but 64 bit kubuntu hated me, so I'm using 32 bit kubuntu now on my amd64 laptop.  Much better.
[08:29] <loren> 0_o
[08:29] <loren> 64bit Kubuntu you say? mwhaha i like that
[08:29] <loren> oh :(
[08:29] <bc> loren, I've started over so much, I could do an ubuntu install with my eyes closed.
[08:29] <loren> amd64 lappy, wow nice
[08:30] <loren> haha yeah?
[08:30] <loren> nice
[08:30] <loren> i can shutdown windows with my screen off
[08:30] <loren> but that's about it
[08:30] <bc> 'cause, with my eyes open, I still don't know what the fuck I'm doing.
[08:31] <loren> rofl
[08:31] <loren> XD
[08:31] <loren> i wish Debian would get a nicer installer
[08:31] <loren> it's a bit crude
[08:31] <loren> but hell it works
[08:31] <Xira> How do I get taskbar v2 to work under Kubuntu?
[08:31] <loren> taskbar v2?
[08:31] <loren> what is taskbar v2?
[08:31] <bc> I didn't know there was one
[08:32] <bc> Xira, any cool new features with that?
[08:32] <Xira> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=16261
[08:32] <loren> what's the difference
[08:32] <Xira> transparent task buttons
[08:32] <Xira> for a complete transparent panel
[08:32] <Xira> :/
[08:32] <bc> Yay!
[08:32] <bc> That's what I've been hoping they'd fix!
[08:33] <bc> tho' I gotta say, kde already handles transparent panels better than gnome.
[08:33] <bc> now, if they get better looking clock applets and stuff.
[08:33] <loren> oh
[08:33] <loren> cool
[08:33] <loren> oh cool
[08:34] <loren> cool
[08:34] <loren> hwoops, i couldn't see what i was typing
[08:34] <loren> it didn't scroll
[08:35] <TechLord> almost have lineakd working
[08:35] <loren> lineakd?
[08:35] <loren> a linker?
[08:36] <Xira> How do I get taskbar v2 to work under Kubuntu?
[08:36] <TechLord> no multimedia key control
[08:36] <loren> oh TL
[08:36] <loren> Xira: im not sure, i've never used it, read the comments and uhm documentation
[08:36] <loren> to install it use something like apt-get or emerge if possible, it'll automagixally
[08:36] <loren> if you have it installed
[08:36] <bc> wish I knew Xira; if you figure it out, I hope you'll share your strategy on the wiki or something
[08:36] <loren> try running the command of the aplication
[08:36] <loren> located in
[08:37] <loren>  /usr/bin
[08:37] <loren> btw
[08:37] <loren> what the hell does Wiki stand for?
[08:37] <loren> it's been itching me
[08:38] <loren> pff comon bc ;)
[08:38] <bc> It's supposedly Hawaiian for "quick"
[08:38] <loren> OMG really?
[08:38] <loren> strange
[08:38] <Xira> how do you apply a .ktheme
[08:39] <loren> Control Center>Appearance & Themes>Themes
[08:39] <loren> and then browse the .ktheme file
[08:39] <loren> unless .ktheme extension belongs to another app
[08:40] <bc> well, i was so pleased that divx avis were even playing, I failed to notice how crappy they look on here!  Back to windows for movies!
[08:40] <loren> haha
[08:41] <loren> are you in Xine?
[08:42] <bc> nope, well actually, I think Kaffeine is using xine -- but thanks for reminding me, I want to get the xine-ui.  very cool.  But nothing I've seen on linux works as well as BsPlayer does on Windows.
[08:43] <bc> Maybe I should snag video lan client while I'm at it.  Man, I've done so much reinstalling!  And I haven't even tried java yet...
[08:43] <loren> gah i hate Kaffine
[08:43] <loren> Xine has a cooler interface ;)
[08:43] <loren> BsPlayer? hmmh
[08:44] <bc> It's great!
[08:44] <bc> BsPlayer I mean.  and foobar2000 for music -- nothing as good as that in linux, imho
[08:45] <bc> I wish some genius would port those to linux
[08:45] <loren> what type of codec are you trying to use?
[08:46] <bc> right now, I'm playing either divx or xvid, in avi wrappers, I don't know -- I'm not really making a fair assessment, cause I'm streaming them; they'll probably play better if I just move them to the linux box
[08:47] <bc> foobar2000 plays everything, and it has awesome playlist options; not pretty, just works
[08:47] <esher> yay, upgrade from ubuntu with apt-get install kubuntu-package works nice, but konquerer-filebrowser crashes sometimes
[08:48] <loren> sorry im distracted bc helping someone in #kde install crystal theme or whatnot
[08:48] <bc> konqueror is krashing konstantly for me.  and kate krashes too.  Don't know why.
[08:49] <loren> haha
[08:49] <loren> nice
[08:49] <bc> I hope you have better luck than me with konqueror, esher
[08:49] <loren> and i kindof liked Konqueror :(
[08:49] <loren> ot worked out somewhat good
[08:50] <loren> but im using Xandros File Manager ik
[08:50] <loren> lucky you
[08:50] <bc> I love Konqueror, but konqueror hates me. 
[08:50] <esher> ;)
[08:50] <bc> story of my life
[08:51] <bc> Nautilus never crashed on me; but I didn't like nautilus.  This is like a bad soap opera.
[08:52] <bc> I LOVE Rox, you ever use that, loren?  
[08:52] <esher> ive jumped from gnome to kde because nautilus is so ugly and unusable :)
[08:52] <loren> haha
[08:52] <loren> not yet ;)
[08:53] <loren> im back though
[08:53] <loren> man it's hard to give linux advice when i barely know anything myself
[08:53] <bc> rofl
[08:53] <loren> yeah it's sad
[08:53] <esher> how can i setup second "taskbar" at the top of my screen ?
[08:53] <loren> i've been seriously using linux for 1.5 months
[08:54] <bc> pretend you're in a bar, and everyone thinks you're either a priest or a marriage counselor.  Happens to me all the time.
[08:54] <bc> esher, that's easy
[08:54] <bc> right click
[08:54] <loren> lol
[08:54] <bc> on the panel you have already
[08:54] <bc> - configure panel- oops
[08:54] <loren> and if something goes wronge it's their fault and they didn't do something right? haha rofl
[08:54] <bc> sorry
[08:55] <loren> lol
[08:55] <bc> I mean, click "add to panel"
[08:55] <loren> lol
[08:55] <loren> nice
[08:55] <bc> and add, guess what, another panel
[08:55] <loren> Q:
[08:55] <esher> found, tnx :D
[08:55] <loren> Q: is Connectiva Linux Debian based?
[08:55] <bc> then you configure it from the dialogs
[08:56] <bc> I've got 3 panels, I like 'em
[08:56] <loren> really? 0_o
[08:56] <loren> i got one lol
[08:56] <bc> I never heard of Connectiva, loren
[08:56] <loren> really?
[08:56] <loren> Mandrakesoft just bought them out recently
[08:57] <loren> pff you know what lol
[08:57] <loren> .org should just be dedicated to linux
[08:57] <loren> hell or linux should get its own prefix
[08:57] <loren> haha
[08:58] <loren> no way?
[08:58] <loren> owch baby owch
[08:58] <loren> what happened?
[08:58] <bc> I taught myself to read French just cause Mandrake's documentation sucked so bad in English...
[08:58] <loren> haha
[08:58] <loren> owie
[08:58] <bc> (I've heard they've improved though!)
[08:59] <loren> what version was that?
[08:59] <loren> oh and btw, according to distrowatch they're #1
[08:59] <loren> fallowed by distrowatch ;)
[09:00] <chavo> loren, not for long
[09:00] <bc> Mandrake 7 or whatever's installer options were the too typical awful choice between useless defaults and dangerous, poorly documented options in the "expert install".  I was no expert...
[09:00] <loren> ah
[09:00] <loren> mandrake 10.2 is in currently development
[09:00] <bc> I needed ubuntu back then!
[09:00] <loren> and i admit it's more awsome than the crappy older versions
[09:00] <chavo> look at the stats for the last month, ubuntu is going to overtake Mandrake soon.
[09:00] <loren> it already did
[09:00] <loren> distrowatch within the past month
[09:00] <loren> Ubuntu is up 2500
[09:01] <loren> Mandrake is down 1500
[09:01] <loren> fedora is down 1300
[09:01] <loren> MEPis is down 1200
[09:01] <loren> and SuSE is up 1100
[09:01] <bc> ubuntu is zooming, but kubuntu is the one to really watch
[09:01] <loren> http://distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=4
[09:01] <loren> hell yeah
[09:01] <loren> nexy week is the official release isn't it?
[09:01] <bc> If I had the patience and brains, I think I'd like Gentoo.
[09:01] <bc> yep!
[09:02] <loren> Gentoo got #2 on LinuxQuestions
[09:02] <loren> but i really think they need a dummies installer for non-gentoo-techy people
[09:02] <loren> i'd use it
[09:02] <bc> this rc I'm using ain't bad so far though... though konqueror and kate, well, maybe I have a flaky computer here... or bad memory or something
[09:02] <loren> but i dont want to go though all the trouble of installing it
[09:03] <loren> yea
[09:03] <loren> i had actually a few bugs in KDE3.4 on Kubuntu
[09:03] <loren> it was "interesting"
[09:04] <bc> kuser doesn't work very well for me, it's acting weird
[09:04] <bc> or was on the 64 bit version anyway, I haven't tried to add any users to this install yet
[09:04] <bc> a lot of help files are missing
[09:04] <loren> ah
[09:05] <loren> i remember one thing about kubuntu i really really really hated
[09:05] <loren> it was how they didn't have a root password
[09:05] <bc> but still a great distro.  -- what did you reallly really hate/
[09:05] <bc> ah hah
[09:05] <bc> yeah, sudo!
[09:05] <loren> and i couldn't figure out how to login to root to add a password
[09:05] <TechLord> you can easily set a root password
[09:05] <loren> i know, but osmetimes it's hard to use 4 me
[09:05] <loren> i tried lol
[09:05] <loren> ;)
[09:05] <chavo> sudo passwd
[09:05] <TechLord> sudo passwd root
[09:05] <loren> i guess i have bad luck eh?
[09:06] <loren> in which case the password would be "root"?
[09:06] <bc> one real buggy thing related to that:  some of the system settings screens wouldn't let me enter "administrative mode"  (like a gui for sudo)
[09:06] <TechLord> no then you get a prompt to set the root password
[09:06] <bc> so I had to use "sudo kcontrol" to change settings in there
[09:07] <loren> weird
[09:07] <chavo> bc, it's all being worked on, and working pretty much flawlessly now.
[09:07] <loren> oh i c
[09:07] <loren> username root ;)
[09:07] <loren> great i'll remember deffinatly
[09:07] <loren> then i can use "su"
[09:07] <bc> that's good to hear chavo
[09:07] <loren> which is the same thing lol
[09:08] <chavo> they had to hack kdesu to work with sudo.
[09:08] <loren> Ubuntu?
[09:08] <bc> on the whole, kubuntu seems really well thought out, better and better- and I'm glad that anti-aliasing is on by default now!  
[09:09] <loren> anti-alasing?
[09:10] <bc> I stll think some of the settings screens could be consolidated a bit, it took me a while to find the setting to turn off window minimizing animations.  
[09:10] <bc> of the desktop fonts, loren
[09:10] <loren> actually the one reason i liked Ubuntu so much is coz they were the first ones to support my graphics card and find my monitor and set it to 1280x1024 resolution
[09:10] <loren> ah
[09:10] <bc> fonts used to look awful with the default settings
[09:10] <loren> yea
[09:10] <loren> i know what you mean
[09:11] <loren> what's the K stand for anyways rofl
[09:11] <loren> does anyone actually even know
[09:11] <loren> K Desktop Environment
[09:11] <bc> yeah, the hardware detection has been great for me
[09:12] <loren> and there's a K infront of all their apps
[09:12] <loren> what's up with that?
[09:12] <bc> (though it sucked with gnome!)
[09:12] <bc> I think they wanted to call it Cool Desktop or something, but had copyright issues...
[09:12] <loren> Ubuntu?
[09:13] <bc> kde
[09:13] <loren> 0_o
[09:13] <loren> wow
[09:13] <loren> Cool Desktop
[09:13] <loren> wow
[09:13] <bc> Cool became Kool... or so I read somewhere
[09:13] <loren> Kool Desktop Environment?
[09:13] <loren> weird
[09:13] <bc> I'm kinda sick of all the k's, actually...
[09:13] <loren> and they dropped the ool when it became kidish
[09:13] <loren> me to actually
[09:13] <loren> they should come up with sensable names
[09:14] <loren> Why not name their products uhm
[09:14] <loren> Inteligently? haha
[09:16] <loren> u know that's sad
[09:16] <loren> Ubuntu CD's sell for 2$
[09:16] <loren> MSWindows
[09:16] <loren> 300$
[09:16] <loren> haha
[09:16] <bc> I thought they were free!
[09:16] <bc> rofl
[09:16] <loren> downloadable ;)
[09:16] <loren> CD's 2$ ;)
[09:17] <loren> btw
[09:17] <loren> why did they change the name from Ubuntu to Kubuntu
[09:17] <loren> that seemed kindof erm....stupid?
[09:17] <loren> whoever is coming up with these names needs to be like... SHoT!
[09:17] <bc> eh, don't know; I would have just called it "Ubuntu, kde edition" or something
[09:18] <loren> that'd be the sensable thing to do
[09:18] <bc> Someone actually registered a domain as "gnubuntu".
[09:18] <loren> but programmers think more logically than practically
[09:19] <loren> not to dis coz im a programmer ;) lol
[09:19] <bc> oy, it's 2:00 am here, I gotta go and eat and sleep!  Nice chatting with you loren 
[09:19] <loren> and why the hell is KDE's maskot damn im adding K's everywhere, a drago?
[09:20] <loren> haha yeah ;)
[09:20] <loren> you get some sleep ;)
[09:20] <loren> sleepy ;)
[09:20] <bc> I hate that dragon too!
[09:20] <loren> hehe
[09:20] <bc> take care! have fun. don't break your kde!
[09:20] <loren> haha, it's crystal ;)
[09:28] <loren> hm
[09:35] <ztonzy> morning
[09:36] <Tsuroerusu> morning
[09:36] <kkathman> morning there Tsuroerusu 
[09:37] <Tsuroerusu> Good morning kkathman, what's up?
[09:37] <Tsuroerusu> :P
[09:37] <kkathman> I noticed that there is a ubuntu update manager, but when I run it, it warns me that it cant update everything
[09:38] <kkathman> whats the best way to update my hoary dist now?
[09:38] <kkathman> should I just do an apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade?
[09:38] <Tsuroerusu> If you wanna upgrade your entire distro then you should do dist-upgrade
[09:38] <Tsuroerusu> Then it pretty much looks for updates for everything on your system
[09:39] <kkathman> ahh ok
[09:39] <Tsuroerusu> As far as I know "upgrade" only finds updates for smaller programs and excludes the big ones
[09:39] <kkathman> ahhh you answered my next question :)
[09:39] <Tsuroerusu> But I'm new the the Debian apt-get system, so be warned I'm not an expert
[09:39] <Tsuroerusu> Hehe
[09:39] <kkathman> I wonder if I need to do the upgrade first, then do the dist-upgrade
[09:40] <Tsuroerusu> Nope
[09:40] <kkathman> ok kewl
[09:40] <Tsuroerusu> If you buy a big pizza you get the size of the small pizza plus more ;)
[09:40] <kkathman> Gnome was nice in that regard in that it had a little indicator that told you it was time to upgrade
[09:40] <kkathman> KDE doesnt seem to have that
[09:40] <Tsuroerusu> Hehe ;)
[09:41] <Tsuroerusu> I'm pretty much into KDE, I like nice and bright colors out of the box
[09:41] <Tsuroerusu> And in general the look and feel of KDE is more "me", but that's a choice anyone can make
[09:41] <kkathman> Yes, I like the sleeker look and more configurability
[09:41] <kkathman> sure
[09:42] <Tsuroerusu> But that's what free software is all about, having the freedom to make your own decisions
[09:42] <kkathman> yep...and amen to that!
[09:42] <Tsuroerusu> Rather than letting Microsoft dictate what you should do
[09:42] <Tsuroerusu> Not my cup of tea
[09:42] <Tsuroerusu> :P
[09:43] <kkathman> well I guess I'll kick off this dist-upgrade
[09:43] <Tsuroerusu> Hehe ;)
[09:43] <Tsuroerusu> Good luck
[09:43] <kkathman> well, I have grown more intolerent of WIndows
[09:43] <Tsuroerusu> By the way, what (K)ubuntu are you running?
[09:43] <Tsuroerusu> Me2
[09:43] <kkathman> the one I got from the hoary repository
[09:43] <Tsuroerusu> I've got myself a total anti-Microsoft personality
[09:43] <Tsuroerusu> OK
[09:44] <kkathman> Well, I havent move completely away from MS, because there are some programs there I just havent found I can do without yet
[09:44] <Tsuroerusu> I'm running Fedora right now, but I find Ubuntu and Kubuntu very attractive ;)
[09:44] <kkathman> or havent found analogs in Linux
[09:45] <Tsuroerusu> What are those programs?
[09:45] <Tsuroerusu> I kicked Microsoft the heck out of my last August
[09:45] <kkathman> I had a real primitive machine before and FC3 wouldnt run in a performant manner, and RH9 couldnt find my ethernet card
[09:45] <loren> lol
[09:46] <Tsuroerusu> LOL
[09:46] <kkathman> Well, one program is Photoshop....Gimp is kinda the same, but pretty short on functionality compared to PS
[09:46] <loren> gah FC3
[09:46] <Tsuroerusu> I guess you were kind of outta luck
[09:46] <Tsuroerusu> Have you tried GIMPshop :P
[09:46] <loren> Gimp's alright
[09:46] <kkathman> yeah I tried Libranet, and their distro packages were messed up
[09:46] <loren> i hate how they dont use a parent window
[09:46] <kkathman> HAvent tried GIMPshop yet
[09:46] <loren> else i'd prolly use em for everything
[09:46] <Tsuroerusu> Yeah a nice base is always good
[09:46] <kkathman> tell me about GIMPshop
[09:47] <Tsuroerusu> Well, I havn't tried it yet
[09:47] <Tsuroerusu> It's GIMP but redesigned a bit
[09:47] <kkathman> Ubuntu installed without a hitch for me
[09:47] <Tsuroerusu> It looks more like Photoshop
[09:47] <loren> yeah?
[09:47] <loren> hmmh
[09:47] <loren> do you have a link?
[09:47] <kkathman> then I put together a new computer a couple of days ago, and then installed Ubuntu on that one
[09:47] <kkathman> just perfect
[09:48] <kkathman> yeah I'd love to give GIMPshop a try for sure!
[09:48] <loren> what's a link ;)
[09:48] <loren> Ubuntu kickass though
[09:48] <kkathman> I also use Dreamweaver MX 2004 on my Win box for coding sites
[09:48] <Tsuroerusu> http://plasticbugs.com/index.php?p=241 <-- That's the OS X version, but the Linux version should be around
[09:48] <loren> it even makes Gnome look good
[09:48] <Tsuroerusu> Well, I find Quanta Plus very nice
[09:48] <Tsuroerusu> I got Dreamweaver to run quite well using CrossOver Office
[09:49] <loren> Quanta Pluus?
[09:49] <Tsuroerusu> Yes
[09:49] <loren> oh
[09:49] <loren> equiv of Dreamweaver
[09:49] <Tsuroerusu> Not exactly
[09:49] <loren> i'd prolly just use Kate
[09:49] <kkathman> yeah I was going to DL QUanta plus
[09:49] <Tsuroerusu> But kind of
[09:49] <loren> i like the coding
[09:49] <kkathman> I saw that, but I do alot of PHP programming
[09:49] <Tsuroerusu> Well, then you propertly couldn't run on a better OS than you do ;)
[09:49] <kkathman> and I love what DW MX does there, but I also am trying Zend for Linux
[09:50] <Tsuroerusu> Hehe
[09:50] <kkathman> yes I agree with that Tsuroerusu 
[09:50] <kkathman> its why I'm moving
[09:50] <Tsuroerusu> Hehe
[09:50] <kkathman> I used Xampp for my web server platform
[09:50] <kkathman> and that was like so easy to install it was silly!
[09:50] <Tsuroerusu> I moved to Linux last June after destroying my Windows XP CD in anger after 10 BSOD in one day
[09:50] <kkathman> not anything like getting PHP and MySQL working on Windows!
[09:51] <Tsuroerusu> Hehe, kind of a pain
[09:51] <kkathman> no kidding
[09:51] <Tsuroerusu> Windows aren't very UNIX like out of the box
[09:51] <loren> hahah
[09:51] <loren> rofl
[09:51] <kkathman> well, true, and for a reason I suppose
[09:51] <Tsuroerusu> Yeah
[09:51] <loren> oh yeah PHP on windows pff
[09:51] <Tsuroerusu> Well there are some stuff that you can put on top of Windows...
[09:51] <loren> that's a pain
[09:51] <Tsuroerusu> But I don't wanna get into that
[09:52] <loren> hehe
[09:52] <loren> ;)
[09:52] <loren> u can also make windows look like mac
[09:52] <loren> but hell, why do that if you could just dl linux ;)
[09:52] <kkathman> Just setting up PHP, hooking it to IIS or installing Apache, and hooking that, plus installing MySQL..and then tying it all, then doing PHPMYADmin
[09:52] <kkathman> geez that takes a couple of hours on Windows
[09:52] <loren> pff i never really used ISS
[09:52] <Tsuroerusu> Took 2 days for me
[09:52] <loren> or IIS
[09:52] <loren> wow
[09:52] <kkathman> Linux.... oh about 30 seconds
[09:52] <loren> haha
[09:53] <loren> true that
[09:53] <Tsuroerusu> IIS is the biggest pain in the butt if you wanna run stuff from UNIX-like OSes
[09:53] <loren> since it's auto-installable
[09:53] <loren> thus people use linux for servers ;)
[09:53] <loren> for a reason to
[09:53] <loren> too
[09:53] <kkathman> well I use my Win box to develop and test all my web sites for clients before uploading
[09:53] <Tsuroerusu> I tell ya, Red Hat Enterprise Linux is a good server distro
[09:54] <Tsuroerusu> Very nice
[09:54] <loren> i did that
[09:54] <loren> and had to upload to check changes
[09:54] <loren> to see if it worked
[09:54] <Tsuroerusu> Hehe
[09:54] <kkathman> but Im moving development to Linux, and gonna use my win box for 100% multimedia
[09:54] <loren> coz at the time i was developing forum software
[09:54] <Tsuroerusu> Multimedia? That's easy to do in Linux
[09:54] <kkathman> cuz Linux isnt quite there yet in multimedia, but Im sure it will be there soon
[09:54] <Tsuroerusu> What are you missing?
[09:54] <loren> Xine, JuK, AmaroK and hell you're set
[09:54] <Tsuroerusu> MPlayer
[09:55] <loren> gah
[09:55] <Tsuroerusu> You forgot that one
[09:55] <loren> MPlayer got kicked out
[09:55] <kkathman> Tsuroerusu, well, not really...Im talking about digital composition, etc
[09:55] <loren> it's now illegal?
[09:55] <loren> or something like that
[09:55] <Tsuroerusu> Nope
[09:55] <loren> broke copyrights
[09:55] <Tsuroerusu> At least not in my country
[09:55] <loren> haha
[09:55] <loren> lucky you lol
[09:55] <kkathman> haha
[09:55] <loren> which country is that?
[09:55] <loren> curious
[09:55] <Tsuroerusu> Denmark
[09:55] <loren> oh
[09:55] <loren> im in the US
[09:55] <loren> im not sure if it matters here
[09:56] <kkathman> ditto loren
[09:56] <Tsuroerusu> Hehe
[09:56] <loren> mat
[09:56] <loren> man
[09:56] <Tsuroerusu> The DMCA prevents anything good
[09:56] <loren> all they have to do is get a webhost like non europe based
[09:56] <loren> and move the project overseas ;)
[09:56] <loren> to the americaz ;)
[09:56] <loren> someone would pick it up
[09:56] <kkathman> anyway, there are like three main digital music composition standards...Logic, Cubase and ProTools, none of which run in Unix or Linux...they are Windows or Mac
[09:57] <loren> what would you reccomend then
[09:57] <Tsuroerusu> Well, if I absolutely need a Windows app I just fire up VMware running Windows 2000, and does it there
[09:57] <kkathman> Even native Windows you have to heavily tweak at install time to get it to act right
[09:57] <Tsuroerusu> 32 megs of RAM is more than enough for Win2k
[09:58] <loren> haha
[09:58] <loren> you sound like how i used to treat linux
[09:58] <kkathman> ahhhh dist-upgrade is done
[09:58] <loren> put it on any machine as long as it runs lol
[09:58] <Tsuroerusu> Hehe
[09:58] <loren> dist-update?
[09:58] <loren> is that a command?
[09:58] <kkathman> sorry dist-upgrade
[09:58] <Tsuroerusu> ;)
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[09:58] <loren> 0_o
[09:58] <loren> command?
[09:59] <Tsuroerusu> Say you just bought a new music CD, and it doesn't wanna play in your player that you have next to you TV because it's copy protected, in Denmark it's 100% legal to crack the copy protection in order to listen to stuff you legally bought.
[09:59] <Tsuroerusu> So the handy work on DeCSS by Jon Johansen is actually legal here in DK
[09:59] <kkathman> Interesting
[09:59] <loren> hahah
[09:59] <Tsuroerusu> Yeah
[09:59] <loren> nice
[09:59] <delltony_> sudo apt-get install dist-upgrade loren 
[09:59] <delltony_> if thats what your asking
[09:59] <loren> ah thank you
[09:59] <delltony_> np
[09:59] <kkathman> there is a major case here in the US that was just argued before the Supreme Court that will go along way to rectifying that here
[10:00] <Tsuroerusu> What's that case about?
[10:00] <kkathman> Decision by June
[10:00] <loren> bedtime
[10:00] <loren> cya all later
[10:00] <Tsuroerusu> Later
[10:00] <kkathman> Well you are familiar with companies like Grokster
[10:00] <kkathman> that produce software that people use to share files
[10:00] <delltony_> speaking of dcma i wonder when the swedish laws are gonna change i really enjoy watching that guy on pirates bay cuss out the guys that send him c&d letters and he post them on his site
[10:01] <Tsuroerusu> Yep
[10:01] <ztonzy> delltony, what ?
[10:01] <Tsuroerusu> Well, Denmark's neighbour Sweden, they proposed a law that could actually make a lot of Linux distros illegal
[10:01] <kkathman> the media producers in the US brought suit against those companies saying that they were producing products that caused the violation of copyrights, because people share music
[10:01] <delltony_> i thought you guys were talking about digital media copyright act?
[10:01] <delltony_> ok
[10:01] <Tsuroerusu> Ahh
[10:02] <kkathman> but this same issue came up years ago, with the Betamax Video Recorder
[10:02] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[10:02] <Tsuroerusu> Hey da_bon_bon, sup?
[10:02] <delltony_> well the pirates bay torrent site he post stuff on his site all the time about legal threats
[10:02] <delltony_> and tells them to go suck one
[10:02] <ztonzy> it is same all over the world it seems
[10:02] <kkathman> and the Supreme Court ruled that supressing the technology would, in the long run, stifle scientific and technological innovation
[10:02] <delltony_> cause us law doesn't apply there
[10:02] <ztonzy> delltony, ah...I think I read www.idg.se to little these days ;)
[10:03] <Tsuroerusu> Seriously the US copyright laws and patent laws are out of control
[10:03] <delltony_> and apparently based on what i have seen there really isn't a law restricted him on there
[10:03] <delltony_> but i could be wrong
[10:03] <ztonzy> kkathman, in US ? I think I read something that in our local newspaper
[10:03] <kkathman> ztonzy, Yep, very similar case
[10:04] <ztonzy> like old VHS and etc things...taperecorders and all
[10:04] <kkathman> Its not like the money that is lost would go to the artists anyway :)
[10:04] <kkathman> ztonzy, yep exactly
[10:04] <Tsuroerusu> ThePirateBay, which is owned and hosted in Sweden, has been able to run until now because swedish law don't forbid torrent trackers
[10:04] <delltony_> well here is something that i don't understand
[10:04] <ztonzy> where would be go then?  tech and such would stall
[10:04] <kkathman> just because I build something innovative, doesnt mean that people might find a way to use it illegally
[10:04] <delltony_> how the hell can they charge 250,000 dollars a song or whatever
[10:05] <da_bon_bon> Tsuroerusu: hi. ..
[10:05] <delltony_> when you can buy the song in a store legit for say 20 an album
[10:05] <delltony_> i don't get the inflation 
[10:05] <kkathman> so, the theory goes, if I have to worry about being sued over someone illegally using my product, then I quit being innovative
[10:05] <kkathman> and thats why the Supreme Court will rule that way in June Im sure
[10:05] <Tsuroerusu> Well software patents are what threatens innovation
[10:06] <Tsuroerusu> But other things matter too
[10:06] <delltony_> well my thing is why do companies spend so much in resources making anti-piracy techniques when they could spend those resources on making the product better
[10:06] <kkathman> Actually, in the US, regulatory requirements tend to kill many things
[10:06] <delltony_> cause facts be facts if its a good application folks are gonna crack it anyway
[10:06] <kkathman> delltony, absolutely great point
[10:07] <delltony_> and really it actually helps the software
[10:07] <Tsuroerusu> Hehe
[10:07] <delltony_> cause it gets the word out
[10:07] <kkathman> delltony, not necessarily that, but if the product DOES get better, more people will want it, and offset the few that get it illegally
[10:07] <delltony_> well yeah
[10:07] <kkathman> so your point is well taken
[10:08] <delltony_> i mean a guy or gal for that matter if they are a i will not pay for software person regardless of what it is
[10:08] <delltony_> they are gonna find a way to get it for free
[10:08] <delltony_> and will
[10:08] <kkathman> yep thats true
[10:08] <delltony_> so your years of anti-piracy techniques
[10:08] <delltony_> and all that money
[10:08] <delltony_> goes down the toilet
[10:08] <Tsuroerusu> Yeah
[10:08] <kkathman> but even so, those will be in the minority really
[10:08] <delltony_> right
[10:09] <delltony_> so really there is no point in putting advanced piracy techniques in there
[10:09] <delltony_> even with drm for wmvs
[10:09] <Tsuroerusu> DRM sucks
[10:09] <delltony_> they can be transcoded and or use freeme
[10:09] <delltony_> and it takes it right off
[10:09] <delltony_> and microshit worked so hard :p
[10:09] <kkathman> so, if a company says, Im going to spend $100,000 on R&D for my product making it better, rather than $100,000 on anti-piracy, they stand a chance that that legal to illegal ratio goes up
[10:09] <Tsuroerusu> Seriously, that garbage needs to get the boot outta here
[10:10] <kkathman> its simple mathematics
[10:10] <delltony_> correct
[10:10] <buz> DRM can't possibly work
[10:10] <Tsuroerusu> Well, it's cracked anyway :P
[10:10] <buz> only thing it will ever do (at the very best) is only allow for worse copies
[10:11] <delltony_> yeah wmv blows all around
[10:11] <delltony_> drm or not
[10:11] <delltony_> it sucks
[10:11] <buz> but at one point you'll invariably go analog. at which its easily stolen
[10:11] <buz> yeah, wmv sucks
[10:11] <Tsuroerusu> WMV bad! OGG Vorbis GOOD! :P
[10:11] <buz> can't believe anyone would use it
[10:11] <delltony_> well alot of sites do actually
[10:11] <kkathman> OGG is great!
[10:12] <Tsuroerusu> Well, you know the saying money brings power?
[10:12] <delltony_> hell just give me xvid and ill be happy
[10:12] <Tsuroerusu> Microsoft has lots of money
[10:12] <buz> most siteadmins are pretty stupid
[10:12] <delltony_> most site admins are real stupid
[10:12] <kkathman> yeah if theres one thing MS DOES have is deep pockets
[10:12] <delltony_> they use refers
[10:12] <delltony_> and all you have to do is spoof the reference xheader
[10:12] <delltony_> and you get right in
[10:12] <Tsuroerusu> RealMedia is actually getting better IMHO
[10:13] <buz> i couldn't care less for that crap
[10:13] <buz> gimme mpeg4 every day
[10:13] <Tsuroerusu> It's open sourced now so
[10:13] <Tsuroerusu> Yeah same here
[10:13] <delltony_> isn't that that live.com bs
[10:13] <buz> or h.264 if you absolutely need the best looking but dog slow codec 
[10:13] <Tsuroerusu> Real's open source technology is the Helix DNA Client
[10:14] <buz> i would rather just use mplayer for that
[10:14] <buz> but somehow it won't work
[10:14] <delltony_> i know one thing yahoo's launch music had pissed me off that it didn't support anything but ie
[10:14] <delltony_> but i fixed all that
[10:14] <buz> i don't care for yahoo ;-)
[10:14] <delltony_> me either
[10:14] <delltony_> but i like the music vids
[10:14] <Tsuroerusu> Yeah yeah, right, but many sites already use RealPlayer and just the fact that Real makes their player available for Linux means it will run on BSD as well
[10:15] <buz> and i most certainly don't care to pay for lossy compressed files
[10:15] <Tsuroerusu> Hehe
[10:15] <delltony_> pay who said pay?
[10:15] <Tsuroerusu> XviD + OGG = Killer Media Combo! ;)
[10:15] <buz> i'd rather pay for premium usenet than itunes ;-)
[10:15] <Tsuroerusu> ROFL
[10:15] <delltony_> ha
[10:16] <Tsuroerusu> Now that's somethin' the feds might bust ya ass for :P
[10:16] <delltony_> don't need anything else
[10:16] <buz> na feds don't do shit here
[10:16] <delltony_> me and my neighbor share warez 
[10:16] <delltony_> he is an fbi agent
[10:16] <buz> and as for the rest of the police, they seem busy hunting kiddie pron
[10:16] <delltony_> so go figure
[10:17] <Tsuroerusu> ROFL
[10:17] <delltony_> trust me if they want you they will get you
[10:17] <buz> last kiddie pron sting they wanted to sue 14 year olds, go figure
[10:17] <delltony_> man hell with suein them
[10:17] <delltony_> kill each and every one of them
[10:17] <Tsuroerusu> "Hey doc. I'm paralyzed what you got?", "I want you to take this chair and roll your ass around town", "That's all you got is a god damn chair, I said I can't walk I didn't say I can't sit"  - Chris Rock
[10:17] <delltony_> kid porn pisses me off worse than having 19 bucks in my bank account and trying to use my atm card
[10:18] <Tsuroerusu> Yeah me2
[10:18] <buz> it's just their definition that's way off. WTF even believes 14 year old watch kiddie pron
[10:18] <delltony_> i mean you step outside i can show you right now "none prositutes and cute girls" that will give it up to you easy as hell if you just talk to them right
[10:18] <delltony_> you don't need to mess with ids
[10:18] <delltony_> err kids
[10:19] <Tsuroerusu> OK guys end of k-pr0n discussion, OK?
[10:19] <buz> yeah
[10:19] <Tsuroerusu> This is not the place to do that
[10:19] <delltony_> there is no place for it period
[10:19] <delltony_> end of story
[10:19] <Tsuroerusu> Agree
[10:19] <Tsuroerusu> Now
[10:20] <delltony_> So when is the pope gonna pass i say today
[10:20] <Tsuroerusu> Any of you guys tried out the RC of Kubuntu?
[10:20] <buz> na just apt-getted 
[10:20] <delltony_> and it wors fine
[10:20] <Tsuroerusu> Hehe
[10:21] <Tsuroerusu> I just saw a lot of issues on the maillinglist
[10:21] <Tsuroerusu> But it might just be small ones
[10:21] <buz> next time i might care for the cd will be when i get a new box
[10:21] <Tsuroerusu> Hege
[10:21] <buz> or something goes tits up badly
[10:21] <hunger_> Is scribus available for kubuntu? Does it work there?
[10:21] <delltony_> well i had some issues with kicker and all but i fixed them right up
[10:21] <buz> it does
[10:21] <Tsuroerusu> Hmmmmm
[10:22] <delltony_> for some reason i had to kill kicker and restart it for it to play nice
[10:22] <Tsuroerusu> Any of you run to the "octet-stream" issue?
[10:22] <delltony_> but after taht it works fine
[10:22] <Tsuroerusu> That's a pain in the ass
[10:22] <buz> huh?
[10:22] <Tsuroerusu> Sometimes KDE runs nuts and keeps poppin' up a dialog saying something like: Can't find mime-type
[10:23] <Tsuroerusu> ....
[10:23] <delltony_> and i know one thing i sure wish someone would modify kmixer so you could do like gnome and change what sliders it controls
[10:23] <delltony_> right now all it actually controls is the master  you mute the master and you get a / in the icon
[10:23] <delltony_> but on my system the master doesn't do anything
[10:23] <Tsuroerusu> What type of sound card do you have?
[10:23] <delltony_> only pcm and mono and headphones du
[10:23] <delltony_> ac97
[10:23] <delltony_> its a laptop so not much choice
[10:23] <Tsuroerusu> I see
[10:24] <Tsuroerusu> That might explain a few things
[10:24] <Tsuroerusu> Most intergrated sound cards in laptops aren't that advanced "in-hardware"
[10:24] <Tsuroerusu> Like on my older VIA motherboard I can't adjust nearly the amount of stuff as with my nForce2 mobo
[10:24] <delltony_> of course not
[10:25] <kkathman> wow Quanta kicks butt!
[10:25] <Tsuroerusu> ;)
[10:25] <kkathman> Im impressed!
[10:25] <delltony_> but a master should do what it states
[10:25] <Tsuroerusu> Told ya so
[10:25] <delltony_> it should control total volume
[10:25] <Tsuroerusu> Hmmmm
[10:25] <Tsuroerusu> Weird
[10:25] <delltony_> and i don't know if there is a config file or whatever so you can remap the controls or not
[10:25] <delltony_> but ti would be nice
[10:25] <kkathman> Gotta get the rest of the supporting packages tho
[10:25] <delltony_> or bind all the controls into one
[10:26] <Tsuroerusu> That's odd
[10:26] <Tsuroerusu> When I adjust the master volume on mine, every other sound goes down
[10:26] <delltony_> but kmix controlling pcm would make me happy
[10:26] <delltony_> master on my doesn't do anything
[10:26] <Tsuroerusu> Hmmmm
[10:26] <Tsuroerusu> Well kmix can adjust PCM
[10:26] <delltony_> i can raise it to the moon or lower it to ground zero
[10:26] <Tsuroerusu> I can do that
[10:27] <delltony_> it can adjust pcm sure
[10:27] <delltony_> but not by the slider it can't
[10:27] <delltony_> or can it
[10:27] <delltony_> as in can you assign it to control pcm
[10:27] <Tsuroerusu> You mean the system tray slider?
[10:27] <delltony_> yeah
[10:27] <Tsuroerusu> Ahh
[10:27] <Tsuroerusu> Now I get it
[10:27] <Tsuroerusu> Hmmmm
[10:27] <delltony_> if needed ill figure out how to make a gui and link it to aumix
[10:28] <delltony_> cuase i have my buttons linked to that for sound control with lineakd
[10:28] <Tsuroerusu> hehe
[10:28] <Tsuroerusu> Are you using alsa?
[10:28] <delltony_> yeah
[10:28] <Tsuroerusu> Try this to set PCM: amixer set PCM 80%
[10:28] <delltony_> that works my friend
[10:29] <delltony_> i want a icon system trayish icon
[10:29] <delltony_> so i don't have to open up a proram
[10:29] <delltony_> to view volume
[10:29] <Tsuroerusu> Ahh ;)
[10:29] <Tsuroerusu> I see
[10:29] <delltony_> and it hurts my ears when i  play a movie or whatever
[10:29] <delltony_> and its loud as hell
[10:29] <delltony_> with no indication of sound 
[10:30] <delltony_> in gnome you could right click and change the slider to pcm mono master or whatever
[10:30] <delltony_> but that doesn't seem to be so in kmix
[10:30] <horay_tester> hello
[10:30] <Tsuroerusu> Hey
[10:31] <horay_tester> Good Mornign people!
[10:31] <Tsuroerusu> Good morning
[10:31] <horay_tester> I am trying to run Netapplet with kde!! need helop, the applet does not load!
[10:31] <horay_tester> I know its gnome based, but in suse one can use it both 
[10:32] <kkathman> well guyz Im off to bed, its early here (2:30am) see you guyz tomorrow :)
[10:32] <horay_tester> good night
[10:32] <delltony_> Tsuroerusu, im gonna ask a stupid question but whats the best sound server for nix?
[10:32] <delltony_> cause it might be a alsa issue
[10:33] <horay_tester> alsa is the best, I use it with gstreamer, great thing
[10:33] <horay_tester> any one managed to use netapplet with kde??
[10:33] <Tsuroerusu> Is it a GNOME applet?
[10:37] <horay_tester> yes
[10:37] <horay_tester> it is, 
[10:39] <Tsuroerusu> Well, as far as I know, GNOME applets doesn't work in KDE
[10:39] <Tsuroerusu> It's like two different system trays
[10:39] <delltony_> sure they do
[10:39] <Tsuroerusu> They do?
[10:39] <Tsuroerusu> Oh OK
[10:39] <Tsuroerusu> Learned somethin' new there :P
[10:39] <delltony_> yeah they use gtk
[10:39] <delltony_> gimp uses gtk
[10:39] <delltony_> and so does firefox
[10:39] <delltony_> and xchat iirc
[10:39] <pestil> hey ho
[10:39] <Tsuroerusu> yeah but GNOME "applets" are small plugins for GNOME
[10:39] <Tsuroerusu> It's not a standalone app
[10:40] <delltony_> oh my bad
[10:40] <delltony_> you said applets 
[10:40] <horay_tester> netapplet and other gnome applets load in kde in Suse, and vice versa, also in ubuntu kde applets load on the gnome panel, but not vice versa, this sucks.
[10:41] <Tsuroerusu> LOL
[10:41] <Tsuroerusu> KDE is KDE no matter what distro we're talking about :P
[10:41] <pestil> are we busy right now? I'd like if someone can dispense a doubt I have: 
[10:41] <pestil> ...Since Kubuntu is whorey, that means it supports bootsplash screens right?
[10:45] <pestil> How "transferrable" is LILO setup? ...I have a graphical LILO from some weird distro years ago, but I removed the linux partition and just kept lilo booting into windows.
[10:46] <pestil> Now, if I install Kubuntu, and the apt-get LILO, is there a way to use the *same* LILO graphical screen I have now? Is it possible to back up the current one?
[10:48] <Tsuroerusu> Dude, if you install a newer version of LILO it will overwrite your old one
[10:48] <pestil> Tsuroerusu: is it possible to "backup" the graphical part of the current one?
[10:49] <pestil> Tsuroerusu: ...or is the graphical part customized per linux install (source code wise, etc)
[10:51] <pestil> LILO is not bad. It has the advantage that the linux partition can be nuked, and LILo keeps working (to boot into other OSes of course)
[10:51] <Tsuroerusu> Of course
[10:51] <Tsuroerusu> That why LILO is seen as the tried and true Linux bootloader
[10:52] <pestil> well, I want to keep this particular graphical LILO. I know that if I install Kubuntu (and grub), it will push the graphical LILO out and put the text-GRUB instead
[10:53] <Tsuroerusu> It will use Grub
[10:54] <Tsuroerusu> I don't remember if there is an option to not install a bootloader
[10:54] <pestil> So, again, my first question is: Is it possible to backup the current (old) working graphical LILO, so I can install it under Kubuntu later (after apt-getting LILo of course)
[10:55] <pestil> Tsuroerusu: I'd have to nuke it anyways. Even if LILO still works (even without any acompanying linux distro to carry it), I *cannot* modify it. So... if I installed Kubuntu and chose to not replace LILO, it would be impossible to modify LILO for booting me automatically into Kubuntu
[10:56] <pestil> So, in summary, if I install Kubuntu, my current LILO has to go.
[10:57] <pestil> My question is: can I backup the current graphical LILO somehow, so that I can use that graphic later, after I install LILO under Kubuntu?
[10:57] <pestil> My question is: can I backup the current graphical LILO somehow, so that I can use that graphic later, after I install LILO under Kubuntu?
[10:57] <delltony_> geeze man are you A.D.D. or what we can read no need to repeat
[10:58] <pestil> delltony_: chill out. I'm sorry, I accidentally press two keys: up arrow and enter
[10:59] <pestil> I obviously didn't type the whole thing twice
[11:01] <pestil> Can it be done?
[11:02] <pestil> saving the graphical part of LILO? Or is there a special setup required?
[11:36] <_emrys> Hi to everyone
[11:37] <buz> is there any easy way to encrypt ~ ?
[11:37] <gsuveg> buz: encrypt what ?
[11:38] <buz> home
[11:38] <buz> aka ~ ;-)
[11:38] <gsuveg> ah ok ;)
[11:38] <gsuveg> imho its not easy
[11:38] <gsuveg> you can choose a crypto fs
[11:39] <buz> nothing a long the lines of foolproof apple filevault i guess?
[12:00] <yannux_> plop tlm
[12:13] <buz> weird
[12:13] <buz> i can print from kde, but not oo??
[12:27] <buz> i think openoffice.org-kde should be installed by default 
[12:30] <brainkilla> a problem: my kmenu suddenly stopped getting updated when new apps are installed
[12:30] <brainkilla> root's kmenu is fine
[12:31] <brainkilla> I can't even edit kmenu, changes are not saved...
[12:31] <brainkilla> what gives?
[12:46] <phunky> is it possible to upgrade to the new version of kubuntu just by getting the new install cd?
[01:17] <apokryphos> phunky: sure, if there isn't an exact feature for it, you can always just add the cd to your sources.list and use apt
[01:19] <apokryphos> phunky: though, there's no point really downloading the ISO, burning it etc.. you can fully upgrade now from apt as it is
[01:19] <phunky> oh. ok then... may as well cancel this download then... :P
[01:20] <apokryphos> yup :). If you're already on hoary, you can just do: sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:20] <phunky> Yeah, I am, I installed kubuntu about 3 days before this new release :)
[01:21] <uniq> the supercow powers of apt-get :)
[01:21] <phunky> heh
[01:22] <apokryphos> Heh, there's not that much need to really upgrade again; you can update your system with it, but not always necessary
[01:22] <phunky> ok
[01:22] <apokryphos> Unless you're looking to get newer particular packages for some reason or other, a general dist-upgrade should be done every few weeks, I guess at.
[01:23] <phunky> ok
[01:26] <Pointwood> Error Konquoror: Could not make folder /home/pointwood/.local/share/Trash.
[01:26] <Pointwood> anyone got a fix for that?
[01:27] <buz> how comes thunderbird is never updated albeit 1.0.2 fixes known securit yholes?
[01:28] <uniq> hum.. good question.. 
[01:29] <apokryphos> Pointwood: why would you want to make that?
[01:29] <uniq> 1.0.2 is in debian sid.. 
[01:30] <apokryphos> it should already exist...
[01:31] <Pointwood> apokryphos: I get that error when I try to delete something in konqueror...
[01:31] <apokryphos> oh
[01:31] <apokryphos> did you muck with permissions?
[01:31] <uniq> buz: send a mail to the maintainer.. (apt-cache show mozilla-thunderbird) and ask.. be nice :)
[01:31] <Pointwood> not that I know of
[01:32] <apokryphos> What's the output of ls -l .local/share/ | grep Trash ?
[01:33] <Pointwood> nothing
[01:33] <apokryphos> hm, so the file doesn't exist..
[01:33] <apokryphos> *folder
[01:33] <apokryphos> heh, of course.
[01:34] <Pointwood> exactly
[01:34] <apokryphos> Ok, so what does ls -l .local/ give?
[01:34] <Pointwood> actually, I think I do remember that I got some kind of error en that regard when I installed kubuntu-desktop...
[01:34] <Pointwood> total 0
[01:34] <Pointwood> drwxr-xr-x  3 root root 80 Mar 28 13:18 share
[01:35] <apokryphos> There's the problem
[01:35] <apokryphos> did you chmod/chown your directory to root?
[01:35] <Pointwood> no
[01:36] <apokryphos> Well, they're mucked up anyhow =). I'd suggest that you dist-upgrade, then make a new user
[01:36] <Pointwood> but I guess I should change that :p
[01:36] <Pointwood> make a new user?
[01:36] <uniq> no.. don't do that.. 
[01:36] <Pointwood> can't I just chmod/chown that folder?
[01:37] <uniq> sudo chown username.username -R /home/username
[01:37] <uniq> yes you can.
[01:37] <apokryphos> well, you could.... not really sure what else is mucked up in you ~ though. 
[01:37] <uniq> everything inside /home/username is yours.. root shouldn't own anything in there.. 
[01:38] <apokryphos> *your
[01:41] <Pointwood> seems to work :)
[01:42] <apokryphos> cool
[01:42] <uniq> if you've got other permission problems you can do; chmod -R a+rX /home/username, that'll give all folders 755 and files 644.. which is good if you don't have executeables in your homedir.. 
[01:42] <uniq> but don't do that if everygthing works.
[01:42] <uniq> bah.. everything..
[01:42] <Pointwood> :)
[01:42] <Pointwood> well, I haven't had any other problems
[01:43] <uniq> great :)
[02:16] <sjmorgan> is there any way to compile a specific part of a package such as kdebase? i want to compile konqueror with debugging symbols but without recompiling all the other stuff that comes with kdebase
[02:17] <Riddell> sjmorgan: grab the sources, configure and run make within the konqueror directory
[02:18] <sjmorgan> but i'm doing this for debugging purposes so i want it to be as much like the ubuntu build process as possible
[02:18] <sjmorgan> including any patches that might be applied with dpatch
[02:24] <Riddell> sjmorgan: run debuild then when it gets to the compiling bit  control-C  and run make then make install inside the konqueror directory
[02:25] <sjmorgan> interesting idea
[02:26] <apokryphos> Riddell: what's the difference between using kdesu and sudo in terminal?
[02:30] <Riddell> apokryphos: kdesu sets some variables correctly
[02:31] <sjmorgan> doesn't seem to work
[02:31] <sjmorgan> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[02:31] <apokryphos> Riddell: Since, I notice that using kdesu seems to use some other preferences for certain things; i.e. with kdesu when running programs the text size isn't the same as it is with my user
[02:31] <Riddell> sjmorgan: cd obj-386-linux or whatever it's called
[02:31] <Riddell> apokryphos: well it won't be, it's running as root
[02:32] <apokryphos> Riddell: and not as "me" with root priveleges? Shouldn't be what it is on Ubuntu...
[02:33] <Riddell> if it's running as root then it's running as root
[02:34] <sjmorgan> oh cool
[02:34] <sjmorgan> thanks
[02:34] <apokryphos> *shouldn't that be
[02:36] <sjmorgan> make[1] : *** No rule to make target `../libkonq/libkonq.la', needed by `libkdeinit_konqueror.la'.  Stop.
[02:40] <Cspnico> Hi
[02:41] <Cspnico> i woud like to know how put double click 
[02:41] <Cspnico> because here only one click it s enough
[02:43] <apokryphos> kcontrol > Peripherals > mouse
[02:44] <Riddell> sjmorgan: you'll need to cd ../libkonq and make there
[02:46] <sjmorgan> k
[02:48] <Cspnico> apokryphos>thanks a lot 
[02:48] <apokryphos> np
[02:49] <eckhart> hi
[02:50] <eckhart> i'm quite new to kubuntu
[02:50] <eckhart> i installed it on my laptop and on my pc
[02:50] <sjmorgan> it's nice eh?
[02:50] <eckhart> well, yes
[02:51] <eckhart> on the laptop it works without problems
[02:51] <eckhart> on my pc i do have some problems
[02:51] <sjmorgan> :(
[02:51] <eckhart> when i insert a mass storage into usb
[02:51] <eckhart> then i get an icon on the desktop which links to it
[02:52] <eckhart> but clicking on it causes an error message
[02:52] <Riddell> eckhart: install pmount
[02:53] <LeeJunFan> looks like amarok had my RAM for breakfast this morning.
[02:53] <LeeJunFan> 663m  42m  21m S  0.0  4.2  11:51.82 amarokapp
[02:54] <eckhart> ah
[02:54] <eckhart> it works now
[02:54] <eckhart> thanks a lot
[02:55] <eckhart> only question is why pmount got installed on my laptop, but not on my pc
[02:56] <Riddell> eckhart: which way did you install on both?
[02:57] <eckhart> i don't really understand the question
[02:58] <eckhart> insert the cd and install :-)
[02:58] <Riddell> eckhart: did you do a fresh install from CD for both laptop and pc?
[02:58] <Riddell> same CD for both?
[02:58] <eckhart> yes
[02:58] <eckhart> same options
[02:58] <eckhart> apart from partitioning
[02:58] <Riddell> then your laptop is blessed with extraordinary intelligence
[02:58] <uniq> voodoo magic then.. :)
[02:59] <eckhart> ah, ok :-)
[02:59] <eckhart> laptop works extraordinarily well with kubuntu
[02:59] <eckhart> std, str work
[03:00] <eckhart> they did not work on my suse system i had before
[03:00] <Riddell> what are they?
[03:00] <eckhart> sorry
[03:00] <eckhart> suspend to disc
[03:00] <eckhart> suspend to ram
[03:01] <Riddell> oh groovy, I need to try those sometime
[03:04] <moominski> hi all
[03:04] <sjmorgan> hi
[03:05] <moominski> any1 no good websits on customizing my desktop look
[03:07] <uniq> kdelook.org
[03:10] <Cspnico> ho cr a shortcut for synaptic?
[03:11] <Riddell> Cspnico: use kynaptic
[03:11] <Cspnico> how do a shortcut for synaptic?
[03:11] <Cspnico> thznks 
[03:11] <Cspnico> Riddell>french?
[03:12] <Riddell> moi?  non
[03:12] <Cspnico>  kynaptic
[03:12] <Cspnico> bash: kynaptic: command not found
[03:12] <Cspnico> Riddell> :=)
[03:17] <eckhart> where are system fonts stored?
[03:17] <eckhart> fonts:/System/
[03:17] <eckhart> ah
[03:17] <eckhart> just found it myself
[03:20] <apokryphos> Cspnico: do you not have Kubuntu?
[03:23] <Cspnico> ys i havz 
[03:23] <Cspnico> why?
[03:23] <apokryphos> Cspnico: Then, unless you removed kynaptic, you should have it there...
[03:24] <Cspnico> cspnico@ubuntu:~ $ sudo kynaptic
[03:24] <Cspnico> sudo: kynaptic: command not found
[03:24] <apokryphos> You will have to manually install it yourself. You can "sudo apt-get install kynaptic"
[03:24] <apokryphos> You might want to try KPackage
[03:24] <apokryphos> ...also
[03:25] <Cspnico> i m installing 
[03:25] <apokryphos> ok :)
[03:26] <Cspnico>  KPackage
[03:31] <Cspnico> oki 
[03:31] <Cspnico> i have kynapticv thank 
[03:32] <Cspnico> it s great 
[03:32] <Cspnico> i m a beginner under KDE 
[03:32] <Cspnico> othr question 
[03:33] <Cspnico> middle click on konqueror 
[03:33] <Cspnico> they doesn't close "onglet"
[03:33] <Cspnico> tab 
[03:37] <apokryphos> Cspnico: no problem. Middle click doesn't close the tab?
[03:37] <apokryphos> do you mean in Konqueror?
[03:38] <Cspnico> yes 
[03:39] <apokryphos> ok, you have to enable that option
[03:39] <Cspnico> where 
[03:40] <Cspnico> i have searcgh in prefderence 
[03:40] <Cspnico> i didn t find that 
[03:40] <apokryphos> add MouseMiddleClickClosesTab=true to ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc
[03:42] <Cspnico> Malformed URL
[03:42] <Cspnico> MouseMiddleClickClosesTab=true
[03:42] <Cspnico> error 
[03:42] <apokryphos> sorry
[03:42] <apokryphos> do that under [FMSettings] 
[03:43] <Cspnico> i must create that?
[03:44] <apokryphos> No. Inside konquerorrc there is a section [FMSettings] ... you should put MouseMiddleClickClosesTab=true under there
[03:45] <Cspnico> have not 
[03:46] <apokryphos> What version of KDE do you have? What does "kde-config --version" give?
[03:46] <Cspnico> Qt: 3.3.3
[03:46] <Cspnico> KDE: 3.4.0
[03:46] <Cspnico> kde-config: 1.0
[03:46] <Cspnico> KDE 3.4
[03:47] <apokryphos> Hm, it really should be there...
[03:50] <apokryphos> Ok, just try creating it
[03:50] <Cspnico> i do
[03:50] <Cspnico> they doesnt work 
[03:50] <Cspnico> but i hacvve any error no
[03:51] <apokryphos> no error?
[03:51] <Cspnico> yes when i want to close 
[03:51] <apokryphos> in Terminal: "killall konqueror", then try running it again?
[03:51] <Cspnico> strange 
[03:52] <Cspnico> FM setting it s but ion the 3rd line then i have pu them on the last
[03:52] <apokryphos> ? :)
[03:53] <Cspnico> it s work
[03:53] <Cspnico> thanks a lot 
[03:53] <apokryphos> cool :)
[03:53] <Cspnico> now i reboot
[03:53] <apokryphos> You don't have to... but ok.
[03:54] <Cspnico> non 
[03:54] <Cspnico> no
[03:54] <Cspnico> because 
[03:54] <Cspnico> i change visual configuration 
[03:54] <apokryphos> You only need to restart X, but a reboot is ok too. :)
[03:54] <Cspnico> lol
[03:55] <Cspnico> finally a smal "dist-upgradfe" before 
[03:55] <apokryphos> :)
[03:59] <ztonzy> good afternoon
[03:59] <apokryphos> 'afternoon ztonzy 
[04:02] <buz> http://codemills.com/blog/?p=4 THIS i'd love to see
[04:02] <buz> it would probably be a gtk app so more fitting for ubuntu i guess
[04:02] <smouche> can anyone tell me why this keeps happening and how to make it stop?  kubuntu keeps screwing with appearance of my desktop icon labels
[04:02] <smouche> this has happened through several different installs
[04:03] <smouche> at first, I have a beautiful crisp text, white
[04:04] <smouche> then, for no apparent reason, kde decides to make them black and put an ugly neon-like white border around them
[04:04] <smouche> now they're basically illegible, especially on dark backgrounds
[04:05] <ztonzy> hi apokryphos 
[04:06] <smouche> has this happened to anyone else?
[04:06] <apokryphos> hey
[04:07] <ztonzy> smouche, first time this week when I did 'apt-get dist-upgrade'   my desktop settings went bad...my panel below wasnt fully as before...had to add stuff manually again
[04:09] <smouche> ztonzy, that's happened to me before too...
[04:09] <smouche> but not lately, (knock on wood)
[04:09] <buz> ztonzy: that's becuase a deb at some point broken and deleted your panel config :-)
[04:09] <buz> :-( i meant
[04:10] <ztonzy> buz, added to to-do list ? :)
[04:10] <buz> what
[04:10] <ztonzy> smouche, not this time though, I mean today
[04:10] <smouche> buz, where are panel config's stored exactly, and can they be saved or exported to another box, for example?
[04:10] <ztonzy> buz, broken deb
[04:10] <buz> i'm not sure
[04:10] <buz> not so big on kde internals ;-)
[04:11] <ztonzy> np
[04:11] <buz> i'd guess somewhere in /home/you/.kde
[04:11] <ztonzy> I am not big in linux at all :P
[04:11] <buz> but restoring from backup didnt help for me
[04:11] <Cspnico> re 
[04:12] <smouche> the latest release candidate is working well for me, on the whole, though konqueror still likes to crash.  
[04:12] <Cspnico> other problem
[04:12] <Cspnico> the small police in gaim :'(
[04:12] <Cspnico> i hate configure KDE :'(
[04:12] <smouche> police, fonts you mean, Cspnico?  Etes-vous francais?
[04:12] <buz> yeah with gtk-qt even gimp looks halfway pretty
[04:13] <Cspnico> yes 
[04:13] <Cspnico> police of characters
[04:13] <Cspnico> sorry fonts 
[04:13] <Cspnico> the small font in gaim :'(
[04:14] <psn_laptop> Cspnico: that one can't be blamed on kde though
[04:14] <Cspnico> yes 
[04:14] <smouche> chez nous, les anglophones, le police -- nous n'avons pas besoin d'eux !  ("police" - c'est a dire les flics!)
[04:14] <Cspnico> lol 
[04:15] <Cspnico>  psn_laptop>not really on gnome i need any configuration 
[04:15] <Cspnico> but whats font use gaim
[04:15] <Cspnico> this of the taskbar 
[04:15] <smouche> Cspnico, I haven't tried gaim yet, but the fonts were painfully tiny in Firefox till I changed the settings to a lower dpi (in firefox prefs)
[04:15] <Cspnico> i have not that on gaim
[04:16] <psn_laptop> Cspnico: no idea I use kopete
[04:16] <Cspnico> oki 
[04:16] <Cspnico> i try kopete then
[04:17] <buz> its better anyway
[04:17] <smouche> je suis sure que vous pouvez changer les police dans les menus de gaim, pas vrai/
[04:17] <smouche> ?
[04:18] <Cspnico> non 
[04:18] <smouche> c'est dommage .. -- heh heh, ok I'll stop torturing everyone with my fractured french ;-)
[04:20] <smouche> now if I could figure out why the fonts on my desktop arbitrarily decide to outline themselves with thick white "shadows"...
[04:20] <gdh> hm here's a good point... how do I get accented characters in KDE without actually loading multiple languages? e.g. in windows I can do ctrl-alt-e for an acute accented 'e'?
[04:20] <smouche> annoying as hell to have to keep looking for ways to turn that off
[04:21] <smouche> gdh, that is a good question -- I've only tried it with the alternate keyboard layouts, and they don't work well for me.  There is a character picker applet you can put in panels, if that's not to annoying to use
[04:22] <Cspnico> no
[04:22] <Cspnico> i didnt underrstand why it s sop small
[04:22] <gdh> Hm OK will give that alook - I only speak English but it's often helpful to have basic accents for proper use of words like cafe, fiancee, etc.
[04:23] <smouche> my terminal output in synaptic is in an insanely tiny font too
[04:23] <buz> gdh: my keyboard has them. i still refuse to use them ;-)
[04:23] <smouche> gdh, the character picker is prolly what you need then.
[04:23] <gdh> smouche: cheers :)
[04:23] <gdh> buz: Hah, I bet you're against the Euro and losing the 'great british pound', too =)
[04:24] <smouche> me, I need a keyboard layout that works as well as "us-intl" does in windows.  The thing with dead keys in linux isn't as good.
[04:24] <smouche> gdh, did you find?
[04:24] <smouche> it?
[04:24] <buz> i like the euro as far as it goes. but as a swiss, i want to stay with the CHF
[04:24] <smouche> heh, maybe I should learn to type in my first language... ;-(
[04:25] <buz> as for the brits, i don't care much about the pound ;-)
[04:25] <gdh> smouche: no I've not looked - am busy with other things at the moment
[04:25] <gdh> buz: Ah fair enough :D
[04:25] <buz> i just prolly dislike french
[04:25] <gdh> sure isn't the whole joy of going on holiday to have 'funny money' :)
[04:26] <smouche> I'm bored with monochromatic us bills
[04:26] <buz> yeah paying tens of thousands in italy sure was weird
[04:27] <buz> $ bills look like childrens money to me
[04:27] <gdh> buz: Exactly :) buy a cup of coffee and you've just lost millions =)
[04:34] <PD> Hi there
[04:44] <PD> I installed kubuntu then did some updations with kynaptic
[04:44] <PD> now I dont have that thing on the bar down below
[04:44] <PD> when i minimise a window it vanishes
[04:45] <PD> then I have to do Alt+Tab to get back the window
[04:45] <apokryphos> PD: when did you udpate? Today? That's a known issue.
[04:45] <apokryphos> PD: is kicker (the panel) there at all? 
[04:45] <PD> yeah
[04:45] <PD> the panel is there
[04:45] <apokryphos> Ok. Do you have /etc/kderc ?
[04:45] <PD> I did so many add panel stuff
[04:46] <PD> let me check
[04:46] <PD> nope there is a kde3 and kde-use-profile
[04:47] <apokryphos> Ok. Then, "sudo apt-get remove --purge kubuntu-default-settings" and then reinstall
[04:47] <apokryphos> ..it
[04:48] <PD> ok
[04:52] <PD> now i should try log out and log in again right
[04:52] <apokryphos> yeah
[04:52] <PD> will try now
[05:00] <apokryphos> If the stuff for kicker hasn't changed, you'll have to manually add them this time. You shouldn't have problems in future dist-upgrades, though
[05:03] <ztonzy> apokryphos, I did
[05:04] <apokryphos> ztonzy: after purging the package, you had problems with kicker/
[05:05] <ztonzy> apokryphos, after dist-upgrade first time this week - yes
[05:05] <ztonzy> apokryphos, you mean the panel on desktop ?  (below)
[05:05] <apokryphos> what kind of ones? And you definitely have /etc/kderc? 
[05:05] <apokryphos> yes
[05:05] <PD> thanks its working now
[05:05] <ztonzy> apokryphos, wait
[05:06] <ztonzy> apokryphos, no I havent
[05:06] <apokryphos> Then you haven't done the purge of kubuntu-default-settings :)
[05:06] <ztonzy> ack
[05:07] <ztonzy> how to do it ?
[05:07] <apokryphos> "sudo apt-get remove --purge kubuntu-default-settings" and then reinstall it
[05:08] <PD> I C so many ppl have the same problem
[05:09] <apokryphos> Yeah; it's been fixed in latest dist-upgrades, but unfortunately those who installed before will have to go through that process
[05:09] <ztonzy> ack
[05:10] <ztonzy> I stopped kdm daemon...shouldnt have
[05:11] <ztonzy> apokryphos, did  I wrong ?
[05:11] <apokryphos> unless you're having problems with it, I don't see why you'd want to, but don't worry -- you can get it running again easily
[05:13] <ztonzy> apokryphos, should I have kubuntu-desktop installed ?
[05:14] <apokryphos> kubuntu-desktop is only a metapackage -- it depends upon other things, so installing it pulls a lot of other things in
[05:14] <ztonzy> ah
[05:14] <ztonzy> I dont have it
[05:14] <ztonzy> and not the /etc/....what you typed
[05:15] <apokryphos> Nevermind. Did you do the command above?
[05:15] <ztonzy> heh yes
[05:15] <ztonzy> and then it asked me to stop kdm daemon which I said yes to rather stupid
[05:16] <ztonzy> now all fonts and etc looks quite small
[05:16] <apokryphos> nevermind. Your x is still running, right?
[05:16] <ztonzy> yes
[05:16] <apokryphos> ok
[05:16] <ztonzy> "startx"
[05:16] <apokryphos> oh, so it was killed ;)
[05:16] <apokryphos> alright, install kubuntu-default-settings now
[05:17] <ztonzy> again ?
[05:17] <apokryphos> you installed it after the purge?
[05:17] <ztonzy> well I did when in terminal mode
[05:17] <ztonzy> yes
[05:17] <PD> hi installed doom, i think saw, but how do i start doom
[05:18] <ztonzy> but I re-installed it again now ;) to be sure
[05:18] <apokryphos> ztonzy: Ok, no need to install again. Kicker stuff should be sorted now... to get kdm back: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[05:19] <ztonzy> "* Reloading K Display Manager configuration...
[05:19] <ztonzy>  *art-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 6896: No such process           [fail] 
[05:19] <ztonzy> invoke-rc.d: initscript kdm, action "reload" failed."
[05:19] <ztonzy> :(
[05:20] <ztonzy> hmm I should take a nap
[05:20] <apokryphos> Hm, I have that problem too, and not sure what it's caused by.
[05:20] <apokryphos> Might be worth filing a bug report for that
[05:21] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hmm I am wondering to insert a 3rd hd to install full Ubuntu on it.... :)  gnome 2.10 and all
[05:21] <apokryphos> Can anyone else clarify that this exists? To reproduce I guess you just need to remove kdm, then reinstall
[05:21] <apokryphos> ztonzy: no need ;-). Just install Gnome there
[05:22] <ztonzy> haha
[05:22] <ztonzy> as 2nd desktop ?
[05:23] <markc> under ubuntu amd64, if I want to compile my own generic PC kernel, how do I tell make menuconfig to not always demand x86_64 ?
[05:23] <apokryphos> ztonzy: Yes. You can easily switch through gnome and kde just by logging out/in
[05:23] <ztonzy> apokryphos, thanks
[05:23] <ztonzy> need to nap now...later
[05:24] <apokryphos> adios
[05:28] <kikov> hi.. which compiler was used for kde 3.4 in hoary?
[05:29] <crimsun> 3.3.5ish
[05:29] <kikov> thx
[05:29] <kikov> crimsun, does 3.3.5 include the "hidden" symbols?
[05:34] <crimsun> I have no idea, sorry.  I'm a-thick other issues.
[05:36] <kikov> np :)
[05:45] <dmoyne> I have a pb when opening files with accentuated characters in their URL ; any idea on how to fix it ?
[05:45] <dmoyne> I mean opening with GIMP
[05:58] <motaboy> For staying always updated I'm making some debian/watch files. 
[05:59] <motaboy> wrong channel :D
[06:00] <kikov> btw, motaboy , what's debian/watch file what? ie: how does it work? I have heard about them, but I don't know how it's used..
[06:01] <motaboy> kikov: it's a file with a regexp used by a programm called uscan to search for new source versions on download site of a program
[06:03] <kikov> but, when it's executed?
[06:04] <motaboy> kikov: when the mantainer launch in it's source dir uscan
[06:05] <motaboy> kikov: it's simply to make a cron job that send to myself a mail.
[06:06] <kikov> yes..
[06:06] <kikov> it's quite simple
[06:06] <kikov> but, then, why using watch file?
[06:06] <kikov> hehe
[06:08] <kikov> cd ~/sources && uscan *
[06:08] <motaboy> kikov: uscan needs a watch file.
[06:09] <kikov> yes...
[06:10] <motaboy> kikov: or how can it know where to get the new sources list and how to cut out the version from it?
[06:10] <ixion83> Hi :)
[06:11] <ixion83> Where can I found codecs for kaffeine 0.6 ????
[06:12] <eckhart> hi
[06:12] <eckhart> it's me again ;-)
[06:12] <lao_v> hi..i'm having problem playing music (mp3s). It keeps on jumping. Can anyone help please?
[06:13] <lao_v> dma is on
[06:13] <eckhart> i have the following problem:
[06:13] <eckhart> configure: error: Your Installation isn't able to compile simple C++ programs.
[06:13] <eckhart> Check config.log for details - if you're using a Linux distribution you might miss
[06:13] <eckhart> a package named similar to libstdc++-dev.
[06:13] <eckhart> the problem is
[06:13] <eckhart> i can't install libstdc++-dev
[06:13] <eckhart> using kynaptic
[06:14] <eckhart> installing a version of it causes some downloads
[06:14] <eckhart> but afterwards, it's still not installed
[06:14] <Riddell> lao_v: apt-get install akode-mpeg
[06:14] <lao_v> eckhart: have you tried installing  itusing synaptic?
[06:15] <eckhart> not yet
[06:16] <eckhart> hm, no
[06:16] <eckhart> sorry
[06:16] <eckhart> it has been my mistake
[06:16] <eckhart> it is installed
[06:17] <Gavrila> hi all
[06:17] <Gavrila> I'm not able to use fglrx driver in kubuntu
[06:18] <eckhart> but that does not change the fact that my configure script does not find it
[06:18] <Gavrila> am I in topic?
[06:19] <bobesponja> does kubuntu comes with HAL support on qt so media:/ can auto detect my usb key :) ?
[06:20] <motaboy> bobesponja: yes. but HAL support isn't in qt but in kdelibs
[06:20] <buz> supposedly that should work
[06:20] <buz> i however don't have a usb key ;-
[06:21] <bobesponja> buz: ok thx
[06:22] <eckhart> hm
[06:22] <eckhart> what packages do i need for compiling simple programs?
[06:24] <GNAM> gcc?
[06:26] <eckhart> gcc, gcc-2.95, gcc-3.2, gcc-3.3, gcc-3.4, gcc-4.0
[06:26] <eckhart> these are the installed gcc packages
[06:30] <eckhart> ah
[06:30] <eckhart> g++ has to be installed
[06:38] <ubbbb> hii, I have Kubuntu hoary live RC, and a SB Audigy 2...and sound doesn't works...:(
[06:43] <da_bon_bon> how does kde on ubuntu belive and use my sudoers and on other distros it doesnt ?
[06:43] <Riddell> da_bon_bon: because I programmed it to do so
[06:44] <da_bon_bon> Riddell: thanks a lot! :) but can i emulate that behaviour in other ditros ?
[06:44] <Riddell> da_bon_bon: if you apply the patch, which you will find in the source package under kdelibs/debian/patches
[06:45] <da_bon_bon> Riddell: oh, well i use packages.. means that i cant do it, right ? :(
[06:45] <Riddell> only if you recompile the packages
[06:46] <da_bon_bon> ok.,.. maybe i will ask the patrick volkerding to apply the patch :D
[06:46] <Riddell> who's that?
[06:46] <Gavrila> I can't manage to use xorg fglrx driver on kubuntu
[06:46] <da_bon_bon> slackware package maintainer
[06:47] <Riddell> ah right, well it should be in KDE for 3.5
[06:47] <Gavrila> slcakware founder
[06:47] <da_bon_bon> Riddell: oh, it will be there by default ? great!
[06:47] <Gavrila> anyway, I installed xorg-fglrx-driver and fglrx-config
[06:48] <Gavrila> I changed the driver in xorg.conf from ati to fglrx
[06:48] <da_bon_bon> Gavrila: u used slackware too ?
[06:48] <Gavrila> but whe I start the X server screen is black
[06:48] <Gavrila> da_bon_bon: no
[06:48] <da_bon_bon> Gavrila: then how u know ? general ?
[06:49] <Gavrila> sorry I misread: yes i usED it, anyway pat is quite famous
[06:49] <da_bon_bon> oh, yes. and slackware too :)
[06:50] <da_bon_bon> anyway, bye all, see ya later.
[06:51] <Gavrila> anyone can help me?
[06:51] <Gavrila> is anyone using fglrx drivers with kubuntu?
[06:54] <gdh> Nop, I have a years old Matrox Mystique :) no 2d accel never mind 3d :)
[06:55] <Gavrila> how can I make konqueror open file manager windows NOT into tabs in the browser?
[06:57] <gdh> Gavrila: Configure -> Web Behaviour -> Tabbed Browsing ?
[06:59] <Gavrila> gdh: but I want tab browsing within the browser indeed
[07:02] <gdh> Was only a guess :)
[07:03] <Gavrila> hehe
[07:04] <Gavrila> I think it's about creating a new .desktop with a different command
[07:07] <Gavrila> I think its' a kind f bug
[07:07] <Gavrila> I don't think it should work this way (actually original kde doesn't)
[07:08] <Gavrila> tabbed browsing it's "web behavior" option, why shold it affect file management??
[07:10] <chavo> Gavrila, if you make the command open a browse profile, it will open a new window.
[07:11] <yannux> hye everybody
[07:11] <yannux> I've big bug with hoary and kde
[07:11] <Gavrila> Chavo I'm using kubuntu as it has been shipped, s I open my konqueeror browser, then I click on home icon in the drawer in the bar and it pops a tab in my browser window
[07:12] <yannux> It's freezing just after login, at when it starting
[07:12] <Gavrila> this is definitevly wrong
[07:13] <chavo> Gavrila, what is the command in the shortcut?
[07:13] <Gavrila> ChaVO I can't aceess it
[07:14] <chavo> ok, I'm not running the packaged KDE, I build my own, so I'm not exactly sure what's happening.
[07:14] <chavo> but my home icon opens a new window. 
[07:15] <chavo> You might need to open an ew window, go to your home dir, then save the profile.
[07:15] <Gavrila> ok chavo
[07:16] <Gavrila> if I click on home icon in the system sub menu, and no browser is open then it opens a window
[07:16] <Gavrila> otherwise it opens a tab in the browser
[07:16] <Gavrila> and that's absurd
[07:17] <yannux> anybody have an idea ?
[07:17] <Gavrila> if i open the submenu and rightkclick on home icon it opens the file manager anyway (either in a tab or not)
[07:18] <Gavrila> chavo stop kdm and launch startkde from a console
[07:18] <Gavrila> and read what it says
[07:20] <yannux> warghfff
[07:20] <yannux> does anyone have same bug
[07:20] <yannux> kde freez the computer ?
[07:20] <yannux> at starting
[07:21] <yannux> did'not see splash screen :s
[07:23] <yannux> not keyboard
[07:23] <yannux> but mouse ok
[07:23] <yannux> no*
[07:27] <Gavrila> chavo could u paste the command in ur home menu entry?
[07:28] <chavo> Gavrila, kfmclient openProfile filemanagement
[07:28] <Gavrila> chavo: tnx a lot
[07:33] <Gavrila> Ok i found the bug
[07:33] <Gavrila> is there any kde mantainer here for kubuntu?
[07:34] <gdh> Riddell is, but he hasn't said anything for a while
[07:34] <gdh> I expect he'll read /msg's :)
[07:34] <Riddell> havn't I?
[07:34] <gdh> Oops :)
[07:35] <gdh> I've woken up the beast - run, kids! run!
[07:35] <Riddell> Gavrila: what's up?
[07:35] <Gavrila> there's a bug in the default home.desktop in systemview
[07:35] <Gavrila> it reports URL=$HOME
[07:36] <Gavrila> while it should be exec
[07:36] <Gavrila> EXEC=kfmclient openProfile filemanagement    
[07:36] <Riddell> what's the advantage in that?
[07:36] <chavo> Gavrila, I don't think it's really a bug, just not what you expected.
[07:37] <Gavrila> if I openn 
[07:37] <Gavrila> the browser
[07:37] <Gavrila> and then open home filemanager
[07:37] <Gavrila> it pops a tab in the brwser rather than loading a filemanger profile new window
[07:37] <Gavrila> and that's surely deprecable imho
[07:38] <Riddell> actually I prefer that behaviour
[07:38] <Riddell> although it should bring the existing konqueror to the forground
[07:38] <Gavrila> it doesn't first
[07:38] <Gavrila> second this conflicts with two things
[07:39] <Gavrila> it conflicts with the browser and file manager profiles, since while browsing u couldn't  access the other profile
[07:39] <chavo> Personally I like the separate window, that's why I changed mine.
[07:39] <Gavrila> it conflicts also  with the option tabbed browsing
[07:40] <Gavrila> indeed it is placed in "web beahvior" and not "file management behavior"
[07:40] <Gavrila> so it shouldn't affect it at all
[07:42] <uniq> gavrila: i think you can remove that "bug" pretty easy.. 
[07:42] <Gavrila> uniq: nice shot -_-
[07:42] <uniq> without editing the home.desktop file.. 
[07:43] <uniq> it's simply a setting in konq.
[07:43] <Gavrila> uniq:no it's not
[07:43] <uniq> konq - settings - web behavior - tabbed browsing - advanced - the last option.. 
[07:44] <uniq> open as tab in existing konq window.. or something.. 
[07:44] <Gavrila> uniq: ... 
[07:44] <Gavrila> I'm talking about another thing
[07:44] <Gavrila> default kubuntu kde, ships an home icon folded into a system icon in the menu
[07:45] <chavo> then clicking links in konversation and kmail will open a new window
[07:45] <chavo> instead of a tab.
[07:45] <Gavrila> exactly, which is not what I'm talking about (nor what I want)
[07:45] <uniq> ahh.. figures.
[07:45] <uniq> then i'll just shutup :)
[07:45] <gdh> uniq: you can't please some of the people any of the time ;)
[07:45] <uniq> i have kfmclient in my home.desktop anyway.
[07:45] <chavo> yeah, you keep quiet :P
[07:46] <Mithsir> Hi! I'm missing a kubuntu package (needed for OOo) for amd64. who can I talk to?
[07:46] <Gavrila> the problem arises because in the desktop file of the "home" launcher there's an URL passed instead of a EXEC as it is by defaykt
[07:46] <chavo> me too
[07:46] <chavo> but I build my own KDE.
[07:46] <Gavrila> I'll edit it easily but I think it shouldnt be so by default at all
[07:46] <uniq> gavrila: agreed.
[07:46] <Gavrila> since it's quite confusing and incoherent IMHP
[07:46] <Gavrila> IMHO
[07:47] <Gavrila> Riddell: ?
[07:47] <chavo> I agree, I think most people would expect a file browser to open in a new window.
[07:47] <gdh> ha that's nice - konq reliably segfaults any time I delete a file from my homedir :)
[07:48] <Gavrila> chavo: not only about a window, but about the sidebar also , and the profile one may set up for his 
[07:48] <Gavrila> file managemente
[07:48] <chavo> gdh, well don't delete files in your home dir :)
[07:48] <Gavrila> lol
[07:48] <chavo> Gavrila, true, I didn't even think about that
[07:48] <gdh> chavo: I was waiting to see what smartass would be helpful like that :)
[07:48] <chavo> I don't have the side bar open in either prfile, but I see your point.
[07:48] <chavo> lol
[07:49] <chavo> That's what I'm here for.
[07:51] <Gavrila> chavo could you link please your home.desktop file somwhere?
[07:52] <Mithsir> When will there be ubuntu-packages for http://kde-bluetooth.sourceforge.net/ ?
[07:53] <apokryphos> Mithsir: I believe you can test them if you add motaboy's repository; haven't tried them personall though.
[07:53] <apokryphos> *personally
[07:54] <uniq> gavrila: i can put mine online if it helps.. 
[07:54] <Mithsir> where can I find motaboys rep?
[07:54] <apokryphos> Mithsir: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SimoneGotti
[07:55] <Gavrila> uniq: right tnx
[07:55] <uniq> gavrila: http://frode.kde.no/dull/home.desktop
[07:55] <Mithsir> crap, they're only 386, I am amd64. How do I recompile them?
[07:56] <motaboy> Mithsir: I have to make some little fixes. (like a split of kbluepin) but it should work well. please le me know. :D
[07:56] <Gavrila> hi motaboy  :)
[07:56] <Gavrila> do yoyu remember me?
[07:56] <motaboy> hi Gavrila . yes. :D
[07:56] <Gavrila> :)
[07:56] <Mithsir> motaboy, well, can't test cuz Im amd64...
[07:57] <Gavrila> are u in kubuntu team? :)
[07:57] <motaboy> Mithsir: just rebuild it :D
[07:57] <uniq> mithsir: add the deb-src and do apt-get source -b packagename
[07:57] <Gavrila> yeps motaboy u're right :))
[07:58] <Mithsir> I will try
[08:00] <Mithsir> I'm stuck. how does the sources.apt line have to look like?
[08:01] <uniq> mithsir: you can't add the deb-src.. motaboy will have to make a sources file.. 
[08:01] <uniq> just noticed.. 
[08:01] <motaboy> uniq: ugh
[08:01] <uniq> dpkg-scansources :)
[08:04] <uniq> there.. 
[08:04] <uniq> mithsir: deb-src http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~motaboy/debian/ ./
[08:05] <motaboy> uniq: now there's one
[08:05] <uniq> motaboy: great :)
[08:06] <Mithsir> uniq, would this procedure also work for a package that is in main? I am missing openoffice-kde for amd64...
[08:06] <uniq> mithsir: sure.. if the sources are available..
[08:08] <Roey> hi
[08:08] <Roey> you guys know that nvidia is not safe for kernel 2.6.10 right?
[08:09] <Roey>         Many 2.4 and 2.6 x86_64 kernels have an accounting issue in their
[08:09] <Roey>         implementation of the change_page_attr kernel interface. Early
[08:09] <Roey>         2.6 kernels include a check that triggers a BUG() when this
[08:09] <Roey>         situation is encountered (triggering a BUG() results in the
[08:09] <Roey>         current application being killed by the kernel; this application
[08:09] <Roey>         would be your opengl application or potentially the X Server).
[08:09] <Roey>         The accounting issue has been resolved in the 2.6.11 kernel.
[08:09] <Roey> (from NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-7167-pkg2/usr/share/doc/README)
[08:10] <uniq> yo roey.
[08:10] <Roey> hi
[08:10] <Roey> hi uniq 
[08:10] <Roey> even more:
[08:10] <Roey> We have added checks to recognize that the NVIDIA kernel
[08:10] <Roey>         module is being compiled for the x86-64 platform on a kernel
[08:10] <Roey>         between 2.6.0 and 2.6.11. In this case, we will disable
[08:10] <Roey>         usage of the change_page_attr kernel interface. This will
[08:10] <Roey>         avoid the accounting issue but leaves the system in danger
[08:10] <Roey>         of cache-aliasing. Cache-aliasing can lead to data corruption
[08:10] <Roey>         and random system lockups, but does not consistently reproduce.
[08:10] <Roey> Even NVIDIA reccommends: 
[08:10] <Roey>   If you are using a 2.6 x86_64 kernel, it is recommended that
[08:10] <Roey>         you upgrade to a 2.6.11 or later kernel.
[08:10] <uniq> good i'm using ati :)
[08:10] <Roey> -there-
[08:10] <Roey> ah :)
[08:12] <uniq> i'm at 2.6.11-mm2 still. got stuck.. haven't had the time to upgrade lately.. 
[08:13] <phunky> I installed the new kubuntu release earlier today, and now I find the only way to change the schema of the console is through the sub-menu
[08:13] <phunky> if I try it in the schema tab of "configure Konsole" it doesn't work
[08:13] <phunky> ...
[08:14] <phunky> can anyone verify this, or is it me?
[08:14] <gdh> 'schema' ?
[08:15] <phunky> that's what it calls it :) the text and background colours basically
[08:16] <gdh> hm, I just switch from Konsole Default to Green on Black.. and that worked :/
[08:17] <phunky> when you go to configure konsole and change it, it does nothing when you click apply or ok, but if you use the sub menu (settings>Schema) it works
[08:17] <phunky> are you using the new kubuntu release?
[08:18] <phunky> before I installed it I don't remember having the problem... though I'm not sure if I actually bothered to change it, white on black may have been default
[08:18] <uniq> phunky: i can reproduce that in 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu9
[08:19] <chavo> phunky, That tab is just for editing or creating schemas, you change them in the submenu
[08:20] <uniq> then why can you choose default scheme there? 
[08:21] <phunky> did the default schema change with the new release? I don't remember having to change it when I got kubuntu...
[08:22] <chavo> choosing a default schema still doesn't change the active schema.
[08:23] <uniq> I kinda understand the editing and creating stuff.. but it's not that obvious.. 
[08:24] <chavo> no it's not obvious. Took me a little while to figure it all out.
[08:41] <Lao_v> join #kde
[08:45] <Roey> crimsun:  hi
[08:46] <Roey> crimsun:  please read the post above regarding NVidia and kernels before  2.6.11
[09:10] <bruno> hey
[09:11] <bruno> i just installed kubuntu on my 12" pb (rev a) -- works very well for me
[09:11] <bruno> i have a sound related problem though
[09:12] <bruno> no matter what i do, i can't seem to get the volume up, it remains very quiet
[09:13] <bruno> the system notification is heard at full volume
[09:13] <bruno> when i play an mp3, i have to listen very carefully.. 
[09:13] <bruno> any suggestions?
[09:15] <apokryphos> bruno: (i) did you install akode-mpeg package; (ii) are your settings in alsamixer full up?
[09:15] <apokryphos> and, it should go without saying, but make sure the volume manager in the mp3 player is up
[09:21] <bruno> apokryphos, yes, yes and yes
[09:21] <apokryphos> bruno: ok, what player are you using? 
[09:22] <bruno> amarok
[09:22] <apokryphos> engine?
[09:23] <bruno> hmm, where do i see that?
[09:23] <apokryphos> Settings > Configure amaroK > Engine
[09:25] <bruno> the field below 'sound system'  is empty .. 
[09:26] <gdh> (snap)
[09:26] <apokryphos> That might be it (though others haven't had this problem). Install amarok-engines and try, say, xine engine.
[09:26] <bruno> but in the playback window, i checked the use hardware volume mixer, volume is up a bit now, but sound is distorted
[09:27] <bruno> ok
[09:28] <apokryphos> Nah, don't select that, though if it's distorted it's +possibly+ down to PCM being full up
[09:37] <kkathman> Is there a reason why Konqueror seems very sluggish at times loading pages? For instance, www.reuters.com is incredibly slow for some reason, while cnn.com isnt.
[09:37] <gdh> probably half the world are reloading every 5 seconds to see if the pope has snuffed it yet.
[09:38] <gdh> and reuters is less public-facing than a media giant like CNN :)
[09:38] <gdh> Honestly, that could be absolutely anything....
[09:38] <gdh> bad routing, slow server at the remote end... malfunctioning remote server...
[09:39] <uniq> well well well.. 
[09:39] <kkathman> ok, well, but if I open it in Firefox, it pops right up
[09:39] <kkathman> thats what Im trying to convey
[09:39] <bruno> apokryphos, thanks, volume is up now, sound clear
[09:39] <bruno> me happy :)
[09:43] <uniq> kkathman: you're right.. big difference konq/firefox.. post a bugreport at bugs.kde.org or something.
[09:45] <gdh> kkathman: try it with javascript turned off?
[09:45] <gdh> there are lots of sites which use javascript causing Konq to conk along :)
[09:51] <_kay> question, is there a package kubuntu-base or not?
[09:53] <regeya_> kubuntuo-desktop, kubuntu-live, and kubuntu-default-settings
[09:53] <regeya_> apt-cache search is your friend
[09:54] <bruno> is it normal that my 12" powerbook doesn't sleep after closing the lid?
[09:54] <_kay> funny that on my amd64 i have it installed
[09:54] <_kay> but on my i386 i cannot find it?!
[09:55] <_kay> Question is more if there was kubuntu-base in the past?
[09:55] <gdh> your amd86 *IS* an i386, ffs :)
[09:55] <gdh> 64
[09:56] <_kay> So is an Itanium, eh?
[09:56] <gdh> Ignore me, I'm just trolling :)
[09:56] <gdh> I thought of saying 'AMD is dying' :)
[09:57] <_kay> Is it? :p
[09:57] <uniq> no, amd rocks :)
[09:57] <apokryphos> bruno: no problem
[09:57] <apokryphos> _kay: no, there wasn't.
[09:57] <uniq> i can't find any kubuntu-base package either..
[09:57] <uniq> ubuntu-base exists.. though.
[09:57] <_kay> You see I was running debfoster, that is how I noticed it
[09:58] <_kay> I swear, I have it on the amd64
[09:58] <_kay> I installed it first though... crossgrade, first package it was that I installed, I remember
[09:58] <_kay> from Debian
[09:58] <gdh> ah there we go.. pope's dead.
[09:58] <apokryphos> gdh: really?
[09:58] <_kay> yes, just seeing it
[09:58] <apokryphos> damn
[09:58] <gdh> apokryphos: yes just announced
[09:58] <uniq> do a dpkg -s kubuntu-base on the amd64.. 
[09:59] <gdh> I didn't see that one coming..
[09:59] <apokryphos> brb
[09:59] <_kay> uniq: Will do that next chance
[10:00] <_kay> When is Hoary planned, btw?
[10:01] <gdh> apr 6th I thought.
[10:01] <_kay> And what do I need to do to get Hoary+1? :p
[10:01] <_kay> It is too stable already, isn't it?
[10:02] <gdh> yeh, there will be no major changes 4 days from release :)
[10:02] <gdh> twiddling and polishing corners
[10:03] <_kay> Every day, X and KDE upgrade for some time now, at least once
[10:03] <_kay> But as you said, no big changes
[10:03] <_kay> Do you think Kubuntu will have to focus on Haory some more, or will it jump on Hoary+1 immediately?
[10:06] <_kay> And another question is, wether KDE 3.4.1 when released, will get  into Hoary
[10:09] <Riddell> _kay: once hoary is released that's it final
[10:09] <Riddell> _kay: there's suggestions for an ubuntu updates for things like point releases of kde and gnome, don't know if it'll happen
[10:10] <_kay> oh, ok, thank you Riddel, that of course inflluences my decision which machines I will let remain on Hoary and which shall go on
[10:11] <Riddell> _kay: in which way does it infuence them?
[10:12] <Mithsir> how do I make mozilla open kmail (kontact) when I click on a mailto link?
[10:13] <_kay> Well, Riddel, if Hoary did minor KDE upgrades, I would let my work machine on it. For my wife 3.4.0 is good enough, at work I already anticipate some Kompare improvement.
[10:13] <gdh> FFS! have just seen an ad on TV for our local cable TV/net provider... offering a "one megabyte broadband internet"
[10:14] <gdh> agghhh!
[10:14] <_kay> And Riddel, I love to have this notebook on the bleeding edge, so I will update it any case to latest Ubuntu development once Kubuntu
[10:14] <_kay> is on it too
[10:15] <_kay> gdh: We have that in Hamburg, 8Mbit
[10:15] <gdh> _kay: It'll reach here around 3000 I think...
[10:16] <gdh> nah , 8 is available but only around london so far
[10:16] <gdh> I think it's a concession for having to live in London, tbh
[10:16] <_kay> hehe
[10:16] <_kay> I liked London the 2 times I have been there, very kind people
[10:16] <gdh> LOL I think you went to London, ontario :)
[10:17] <_kay> We stopped, and looked around, and before I was even clear i needed help, I was offered some
[10:17] <gdh> either that or you live in a town full of COMPLETE arseholes :)
[10:17] <_kay> Not really :p
[10:17] <gdh> I think you got lucky...
[10:17] <gdh> i'd have checked that your wallet was still there after speaking to them, to be honest
[10:17] <gdh> one to distract, one to 'borrow your valuables'
[10:18] <_kay> Common, big city is big city, that's a given
[10:19] <_kay> That thing is, are nice people even in existance in the public
[10:19] <sander__> Riddell: question if you have a sec: the beep in Konsole alternately works and doesn't work through out my history with KDE. Is this a sound server thing?
[10:22] <Riddell> sander__: depends on the settings.  it can be set to use the kde sound server (and if it's set to play an ogg or an mp3 it won't work if it doesn't have the correct decoders in place), it can be set to use the system bell in which case it'll beep however your computer hardware likes to beep, or it can be set to something else (inverse screen, bell icon on tab, polite popup message, nothing at all)
[10:22] <bruno> bye all, and thanks for all the great work on kubuntu 
[10:26] <sander__> I see I thought system bell and sytem notification are different. The wierd thing is I never change it but sometimes the setting changes by itself. Thanks for the clarification.
[10:27] <Riddell> sander__: probably just depends on the mood of the konsole maintainer/packagers for that release.  I set it to use a system notification to play a gentle beep
[10:27] <sander__> Er I thought they were the same that is.
[10:28] <Riddell> system bell is built into computer somehow, system notification is KDE controlled
[10:30] <sander__> I like the system notification. It's just smoother and reminds me that the sounds are working. :)
[10:53] <regeya_> hooray somewhat-nativish looking openoffice
[10:54] <regeya_> oddly enough though oooqs doesn't seem to help much
[11:10] <ztonzy> apokryphos, got webcam working yet ??
[11:10] <apokryphos> nope; haven't given it a go since original rejection
[11:10] <ztonzy> ack
[11:13] <gdh> what kind of webcam, out of interest?
[11:13] <gdh> OK, I'm nosy :)
[11:16] <sander__> I tried to get a GE Easy Cam working a while back, but for some reason HAL won't work with v4l so things are still pretty hairy.
[11:16] <madscience> can someone tell me how to change DPI for x.org in kubuntu?
[11:17] <gdh> madscience: is X.org not reading the DPI value correctly from your monitor?
[11:18] <madscience> it seems to have changed after installing the nvidia drivers
[11:18] <madscience> it's a laptop LCD
[11:18] <ztonzy> gdh, got mine to work with right drivers, just like that ,  Creative Webcam NX Pro
[11:18] <gdh> out of interest... do "grep DPI /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[11:18] <amu> sudo vi /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc
[11:19] <hunger> gdh: It does read mine correctly... but the letters are huge with the correct values for me.
[11:19] <gdh> ztonzy: Aye I asked because I have a QuickCam Pro 4000 whcih needed a nasty binary-only module for 2.4.20 until there was an open version released in 2.6.10+
[11:19] <madscience> (--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (98, 101)
[11:19] <ztonzy> gdh, oh
[11:19] <gdh> madscience: That looks perfect.. Chances are that it was just defaulting to 75 or 100 before... 
[11:19] <ztonzy> gdh, that one sounds very pro
[11:20] <gdh> ztonzy: I thought apokryphos might have had the same thing...
[11:20] <ztonzy> gdh, I got same image quality as in XP
[11:20] <ztonzy> gdh, yes
[11:20] <apokryphos> whatwhat
[11:21] <gdh> i.e. couldn't get the binary driver to work last time he tried, but 2.6.10 should do it natively :)
[11:21] <gdh> oh hi :)
[11:21] <gdh> just talking about you in the third person there.. hope you don't mind
[11:22] <gdh> madscience: <wave> :)
[11:22] <madscience> thanks for the info
[11:23] <madscience> now, if I can stop the key bouncing, and get power management working...
[11:23] <gdh> madscience: I had the reverse problem.. when I use the generic VESA driver, it gets the DPI properly via DDC... but if I use the native 'savage' driver, it ignores the monitor and goes to 75dpi.
[11:23] <gdh> result -> tiny fonts
[11:24] <regeya_> big hint to everyone:  if you're finding kde apps to be a bit slow in starting up, install and set up prelinking.
[11:24] <madscience> is anyone else here using kubuntu on a toshiba satellite?
[11:25] <gdh> madscience: No, but I might be soon - what's the problem? :)
[11:25] <gdh> I had 'odd problems' with just normal Debian on the sat pro 4200...
[11:25] <madscience> key bouncing, standby/suspend/hibernate are flaky at best
[11:25] <gdh> things like dpkg database getting corrupted :|
[11:25] <gdh> Ah, no I never tried any of that
[11:26] <madscience> I also get a weird error about the HDD at boot
[11:26] <gdh> maybe just the lack of a recovery / hibernate partition of the right size?
[11:26] <madscience> it's a great laptop HW wise, and kubuntu is a great OS, but they don't play well together
[11:26] <madscience> there was no recovery partition on this machine
[11:28] <madscience> is there any way to disable the "host protected area" on a HDD?
[11:28] <gdh> If I knew what that was....
[11:28] <madscience> that's what I said...
[11:28] <gdh> :)
[11:29] <madscience> I googled it a bit, and it's an option in the drive firmware apparently
[11:29] <madscience> I wonder if toshiba stores information on the drive in a protected sector
[11:29] <gdh> It sounds like  amodern version of the HD parking area...
[11:29] <gdh> never forget to run PARK.COM before switching off etc.!!! :)
[11:30] <madscience> I do support for HP, and all of their desktop machines have code on the drive that the system recovery uses to verify that it's an OEM machine
[11:30] <gdh> Ahh HP/Compaq still do that shit?
[11:30] <madscience> and it's not user-accessible
[11:30] <madscience> of course they do
[11:30] <madscience> I'm wondering if Toshiba is doing the same
[11:30] <gdh> basically a nice way of ensuring you HAVE to buy overpriced HD upgrades from them? :)
[11:30] <randabis> heh
[11:31] <madscience> no, making sure you can't use the recovery CDs on a non-hp system
[11:31] <gdh> madscience: I don'tthink so, I swapped the HD on my SatPro for another..
[11:31] <gdh> and have had no problems
[11:31] <madscience> there's duplicate code in motherboard firmware
[11:31] <gdh> well, none that I can attribute to teh hard disk
[11:31] <madscience> are you using the recovery DVD for that unit, though?
[11:32] <madscience> that's what I think it's for
[11:32] <gdh> DVD? this thing is a bit pre-DVD :)
[11:32] <madscience> but it's just a guess
[11:32] <madscience> this is a 4 month old machine :)
[11:32] <gdh> I've never had any recovery disc for it - got it from my dad - swapped him for an old Thinkpad because the TPad was smaller :) :)
[11:33] <madscience> I'm pleasantly surprised at how well kubuntu/ubuntu handles centrino
[11:33] <madscience> wifi works OOB
[11:33] <gdh> Really? I didn't even know Centrino was usable on linux
[11:33] <gdh> thought it was all still un-reverse-engineerable..
[11:34] <madscience> centrino is just pentium m, 855 chipset and intel wifi bundled
[11:34] <madscience> and they all work fine in linux
[11:34] <madscience> except most distros don't include the wifi drivers
[11:34] <gdh> Oh right - I thought Intel had 'done something' so that it only worked nicely with MS OSs
[11:35] <gdh> It's not hard to imagine :)
[11:35] <madscience> no, but they never released linux drivers
[11:35] <madscience> they did actually release the specs though
[11:36] <gdh> ah nice
[11:36] <randabis> yeah the wifi requires ndiswrapper
[11:36] <madscience> nope
[11:36] <madscience> not on here, anyway
[11:37] <madscience> intel pro/wireless 2200bg works OOB with ubuntu
[11:37] <randabis> maybe it uses madwifi or something
[11:37] <gdh> That's good to know - we're probably buying a bunch of Dell notebooks with that built-in :)
[11:38] <TechLord> dell notbooks rock
[11:38] <madscience> boo dell
[11:39] <madscience> fugly machines
[11:39] <TechLord> dell rocks
[11:39] <gdh> they're for business - looks don't matter a toss
[11:39] <madscience> true
[11:39] <TechLord> i love my i9200
[11:39] <gdh> if we were worried about looks, they'd buy Apple
[11:39] <madscience> their home machines are crappy
[11:39] <gdh> <over my dead body> :)
[11:39] <madscience> which is true of most retail PCs
[11:40] <madscience> even my satellite feels a little flimsy
[11:40] <madscience> but, no business laptops have widescreen
[11:40] <TechLord> i've had i8600 and i9200 and both have been rock solid
[11:42] <madscience> my fan's been running non-stop for the last 15 min, so I checked processes and somehow kaffeine was still running and using 90% cpu
[11:42] <madscience> wtf?
[11:42] <madscience> weird
[11:42] <gdh> madscience: What business justification is there for a widescreen notebook? graphics? No dear, those are 'creative' types, not business ;)
[11:42] <gdh> wankers that they are =)
[11:42] <madscience> I know, I'm not complaining
[11:43] <gdh> I'm just ranting =)
[11:43] <madscience> I like my widescreen, otherwise I would have bought a business class laptop
[11:43] <TechLord> woot woot woot i just got all my multimedia keys working the way i want thme too
[11:43] <gdh> TechLord: Now, learn to fear dist-upgrade :)
[11:43] <TechLord> LOL
[11:44] <gdh> will it? won't it? :)
[11:44] <TechLord> yea but at least they work now
[11:50] <TechLord> wireless and hibernate is all i have left
[11:50] <TechLord> any pointers
[11:51] <kioels> do the dew
[11:52] <gdh> wireless should tune to your favourite shoutcast station, but should first play a .wav of a radio being tuned :)
[11:53] <gdh> hibernate should maybe show a tortoise-keepers website?
[11:54] <gdh> Thank you :)
[11:54] <gdh> that typo has been annoying me for days
[11:59] <randabis> :)