=== T-None is now known as T-Bone === minghua [~minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] anybody here? [12:13] no [12:13] we're all bots [12:13] =] === roo_ exterminates === herzi [~herzi@c200112.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === adobbie [~adobbie@Toronto-HSE-ppp3859830.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:16] looking for someone to ask about nautilus [12:17] has the defaul behaviour changed? [12:17] yes [12:17] s/defaul/default [12:17] to close the existing window? [12:17] and that's a #ubuntu question i'd say [12:17] yes === yota [~seb@home.nmeos.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:17] ok === roo_ [~roo@cpc1-with1-6-0-cust213.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [12:18] well I figured I would ask before I reported a bug [12:32] can someone make a proper english sentence from "forcing re-get of the signature file as requested" [12:32] context? [12:32] or is that good enough? [12:32] dredg: forcing apt to re-get the signature file and not sending proxy control messages [12:33] looks ok to me [12:33] mvo, looks good from a german POV ;) [12:33] and to send? [12:33] dredg: cool, thanks. any captialization? [12:33] where does the parallel structure break down? [12:33] you mean "get apt to bypass proxy ("pragma: no-cache") to get the sig file again"? [12:34] mvo: no [12:35] hmm, they dont get lesser.... http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/nullswap.html [12:36] ogra: did my yesterday's submission suggested you to look for that? :) === koke [~koke@rm-001-26.serve.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] T-Bone, no, i nearly read all of the submissions, i noted it on the first day...the rate is always been around 9% thats worrying... [12:37] ogra: heh ;) [12:38] ogra: depends on the amount of RAM and the intended workload of these configurations [12:38] ogra: for instance, I don't have swap, this is meant and works absolutely fine [12:38] i already recieved mails by people that werent aware that they dont use swap [12:39] there are a lot of 128~256M machines in the list.... [12:39] huh [12:39] then that's bad, yeah [12:39] and even my 512 swap from time to time here [12:40] my computer would be toast without 400MB+ of swap [12:40] rather the programs trying to allocate memory === T-Bone has hard time understanding how a computer can actually be useful with such an amount of swap. Even worse when the swap is bigger than the amount of RAM (expect very special cases with < 16MB RAM) === ssbob [~nick@pcp0011023507pcs.arlngt01.va.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:41] T-Bone: enough swap is useful for suspending to [12:42] Mithrandir: that's a point I didn't think of, fair enough [12:42] (which is why I have ~2G swap on this laptop) [12:42] T-Bone: i prefer apps that are not doing anything to swap out [12:43] Mithrandir, http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/amd64.html [12:43] :) [12:43] ogra: can we get links to all those pages on the front page, and more stats! :) [12:43] sure, if we have more then flatfiles ;) [12:43] (what's the average clock speed for amd64 boxes, for instance) [12:44] funny number, i had expected more http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/ppc.html [12:45] Mithrandir, thats what we planned, but we'll need a DB first which i wont start before release....currently there is only this interim solution... [12:46] ogra: ook. [12:48] ok guys... i'm off to bed - have to help a friend moving tomorrow [12:49] good night [12:49] night dholbach [12:49] night dholbach [12:50] whoops, there was a bug in the amd64 scipt....now its more realistic, thanks dholbach [12:51] noooo! :P [12:51] :-/ [12:51] still more then ppc :) [12:52] yeah :) [12:53] bye ogra, mvo :-) [12:53] ogra: anytime :-) [12:53] night, sleep well :) [12:54] will do :-) === Alessio [~Alessio@host146-56.pool80116.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === motaboy [~motaboy@host168-41.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [~zenrox@wbar7.sea1-4-4-045-007.sea1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lunitik [~trey@ip68-230-75-109.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:05] sabdfl: lots of complaints about the new nautilus behavior in #ubuntu :( ... you know if you like it, you can turn it on yourself... but most seem to dislike it :( === zenrox [~zenrox@wbar7.sea1-4-4-045-007.sea1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thoreauputic [~debianarc@wolax7-014.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:08] who do I need to talk to for syncing universe stuff from unstable? [01:09] sbuild_0.35 might be nice to have in hoary, it's got the distribution checks disabled and should work better with Ubuntu [01:09] azeem_: #ubuntu-motu [01:09] azeem_: I think we are in freeze right now... so you'd have to wait a week or so... [01:09] nah [01:10] universe is open til the end === LeeJunFan [junfan@64-186-37-120.skycon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:10] azeem_: just ask elmo [01:10] yeah [01:10] non-motu's need approval to sync [01:11] then put iton our sync list in the wiki [01:11] where's that exactly? [01:12] wiki/MOTUTodo [01:12] http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUToSync [01:12] thanks [01:13] mxpxpod: ack [01:14] thom: hey [01:14] mxpxpod: hey hey, wassup? [01:14] thom: just wondering how the pmi is going? [01:15] mxpxpod: waiting with eager glee for gnome-power [01:15] I think we should replace pbbuttonsd with pmud in ubuntu [01:16] i hope we can bin all of them [01:16] that'd be awesome! === mxpxpod hates pbbuttonsd [01:16] i think we can probably do so in not too long [01:16] hal+gnome-power is coming along nicely [01:16] that'd be suuuuhweet [01:17] thom: yeah, pbbuttonsd takes care of way too much [01:17] yeah [01:17] definitely [01:18] I wish the guy would modularize it so I could just load the pm stuff === LeeJunFan [junfan@64-186-37-120.skycon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf_ [~lamont@63.193.19.164] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blueyed [~daniel@iD4CC0CA1.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:22] ok, done [01:23] Is amd64 considered stable? Had some issues with a Gigabyte GA-K8N Ultra-9 and a 300gb SATA drive. [01:23] I'd like to try the latest daily.. (have used the RC now). [01:23] blueyed: works just peachily for me [01:23] (but it always has, pretty much) === zenrox [~zenrox@wbar7.sea1-4-4-045-007.sea1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:24] blueyed: what issues are you seeing? [01:24] it installed with grub on hd2 and gave "error 17" - changed it to hd3 and it worked.. [01:24] blueyed: and what is error 17? [01:24] the installation now is kind of very broken.. there were a lot of segfaults during the post-install run [01:25] filesystem not recognized.. [01:25] blueyed: did you run memtest86? [01:25] no. [01:25] should it be installed? === jani [~pet@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === zenrox [~zenrox@wbar7.sea1-4-4-045-007.sea1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [~zenrox@wbar7.sea1-4-4-045-007.sea1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:30] blueyed: there'll be an option on grub for memtest [01:31] lots of random segfaults sound bad === LeeJunFan [junfan@64-186-37-120.skycon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mxpxpod [~bryan@mxpxpod.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:32] thom, as a "boot" option? haven't seen it - but will try when rebooting. anyway I'd like to do a fresh install and need to burn the .iso therefor.. === chris38-home [~Christian@82.127.81.96] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:32] I'm getting help in ##linux. thanks. === diamond [~diamond@194.46.78.95] has joined #ubuntu-devel === diamond is now known as diamond_ === diamond_ is now known as diamond === mvo goes to sleep now === zenwhen [zenwhen@h-67-102-63-103.phlapafg.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bradb [~bradb@modemcable087.14-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blueyed [~daniel@iD4CC0AC7.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:06] just re-installed (using the same image), no errors.. all I've changed with the hardware was another SATA port on the board.. [02:07] that's bad [02:08] ogra - can you make me an mp3 of sound.wav that should sound the same? [02:08] CarlK, not now... [02:09] (I just made one with lame, and it sounds like my cat [02:09] ha [02:09] try setting 320kbps encoding [02:09] ogra - the goal is to play it on a MPIO mp3 player, which shold play it "right" [02:10] CarlK, usecase ? [02:10] adobbie - I did [02:10] ogra - to know what the sample sound should sound like. so far I her 5 slightly different soudns on 5 different boxes [02:11] CarlK: are you using the same speakers on all machines? [02:11] there is a high frequency "hiss" that doesn't sound like it should be there [02:11] yes - good set of head phones [02:11] hm no daniels [02:12] sounds cards will sound different [02:12] CarlK, play it on a frieds box, its no perfect recording or anything...i could also have taken a pig squeek recorded through a can phone, its just a test if your system sounds work [02:12] CarlK: any particular setup sound best? [02:13] adobbie - yes, but now I forget wich... wanted to figure out what I should be hearing before I comment on how it sounds [02:16] hmm, mabe the mpio doesnt like 320kbs === minghua [~minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [02:16] http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Apr01/sound.mp3 [02:16] What about integrating pppoeconf into the install process (with network setup)? [02:20] CarlK, sonds like the wav [02:21] good - thanks === daniels [~daniels@202-44-183-17.nexnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:36] http://koke.amedias.org/2005/04/02/spatial-mess-prevention/ [02:36] give me opinions :D [02:37] thank you koke!! [02:37] koke: can you post that to the -devel mailing list? [02:38] so we can get some discussion on it? [02:38] Burgundavia: it's already in the way :) [02:42] oops, I sent it from the wrong address [02:43] http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-April/006462.html [02:43] going to sleep now :) [02:43] bye all === T-Bone is now known as T-None === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:03] hey === HrdwrBoB [~matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === moyogo [~moyogo@Toronto-HSE-ppp3718183.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:55] lamont: patch merged [03:58] heh new nvidia drivers [04:00] daniels: thanks muchly === dobwan [~dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:01] zul: AGAIN? [04:02] phew, it's still 7174 [04:11] http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-7174.html [04:11] yeah, 7174 [04:12] ah...fabbione would have heart attack :) [04:12] i'm packaging 7174 now anyway [04:12] ah [04:20] and I just got 7167 installed === Jeeves_ [mark@cl-245.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont finally gets his scriptage-foo right, rebuilds a boatload of chroots everywhere === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jeeves_ [mark@cl-245.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:39] is anyone else seeing gnome-terminal leak more memory than ... anything ever should? [04:39] mine seems to leak in the order of 500MB a day [04:40] will hoary/universe have security updates, too? === `anthony [~anthony@220-253-52-236.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jeeves_ [mark@cl-245.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jeeves_ [mark@cl-245.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jeeves_ [mark@cl-245.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [~travis@amaranth.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [~minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jeeves_ [mark@cl-245.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [~robertj@c-24-98-80-19.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:07] heya all, I was just checking the listservs, did nautilus get browse mode enabled by default? [05:08] robertj: no, spatial mode was hacked to close the window behind it when you open a new folder as if you where middle clicking (and middle clicking does what a left click did) [05:09] oh, hrmm, I don't know how I feel about that [05:09] this is going to be a lively debate [05:09] I think the biggest issue [05:09] over any issues of whether its good or bad [05:09] tehre are threads on ubuntu devel and ubuntu [05:09] is that it was done like what, 5 days before release now? [05:10] 7 actually [05:10] Lathiat: that's not in hoary is it? [05:10] it will be [05:11] robertj: it is [05:11] as of yesterday [05:12] by hoary, I think you mean the released version [05:12] correct? [05:12] Lathiat: HoMM3 combined with a wine regression has made that difficult for me to test ;) [05:12] HoMM3? [05:12] Burg: yeah [05:12] ah, i meant in the archive [05:12] Lathiat: heroes of might and magic 3 ;) [05:12] which it is [05:12] and i assume its for hoary [05:12] since its gone in :) [05:13] hoary is suppsed to be out Wed right? === robertj checks HoaryReleaseSchedule === Jeeves_ [mark@cl-245.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:14] NM, next Mondayish [05:14] the 8th [05:15] robertj: That's Friday :-) === dobwan [~dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [05:15] doh! [05:15] ;) [05:16] "week of [next monday] " [05:17] yeah [05:17] just not clicking [05:18] I really dislike the idea of closing windows in spatial mode. What advantage does that give you over browse mode? [05:18] it's more intuitive [05:18] HrdwrBoB: Why not just put it in browse mode === Jeeves_ [mark@cl-245.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont fails to understand the difference [05:19] robertj: if you want to, do [05:19] after using spatial mode for a few months [05:19] it's now much much easier [05:20] lamont: Browse Mode wouldn't move the window or change it's size and would offer the usual browse menus and such === Jeeves_ [mark@cl-245.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:26] robertj: and this is nautilus, or what? [05:27] lamont: ? [05:27] robertj: don't mind me - just rambling [05:27] robertj: it was a sabdfl request. we'll see how it goes. [05:27] lamont: oky, but yeah it's nautilus === lamont notices that it's not actually late, it just feels that way [05:27] lamont: it does feel late, I think its planet.gnome.org withdrawl [05:28] withdrawl? === lamont considers maybe one day actually thinking about using nautilus for something [05:28] I miss reading them ;) [05:28] robertj: planetkde.org [05:28] hehe [05:28] robertj: yeah - I hear jdub raped planet.gnome too, eh?> === LeeJunFan [junfan@64-186-37-120.skycon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:29] heh [05:29] planet debian is just a full-page photo of elmo [05:29] i can't believe people would use that word about a login screen joke [05:29] most users have like 15 files and can't manage swapping between the file manager and one other window, never the less 5 windows [05:29] but the same users are then going to close that window, go to the desktop, click the Filesystem, and start from scratch [05:30] scary but true [05:31] heh. planet.debian.org is now back to being planet.debian (swirl and all), but still says 'planet ubuntu' [05:32] Setting up hotplug (0.0.20040329-16ubuntu17) ... [05:32] grep: /etc/network/interfaces: No such file or directory [05:32] bad hotplug === lamont puts the final touches on flatlining all the chroots on all the buildd's and rebuilding them. sigh. [05:33] ooh that sounds like not fun [05:34] OTOH, the scriptage is now much better,. [05:34] adding breezy is simply a matter of 'sudo build-chroot buildd breezy; touch buildd.conf' [05:34] well, given a breezy.buildd in the right place, that is. [05:35] and an archive to back it up.. :-) === mpt [~mpt@203.86.197.132] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:36] breezy doesn't strike me the way warty or hoary do [05:36] it seems like the forrunner of dandy dolphin or something [05:38] easy breezy === `anthony [~anthony@220-253-50-94.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:39] breezy is never used around here except as a way to insult someone's intelligence [05:40] or the wind "it's breezy outside" [05:48] I'm all excited, got a new machine coming at work that will be happy running Breezy ;) [05:50] http://distrowatch.com/stats.php?section=popularity [05:50] look at those leads [05:51] wow [05:51] ooh, almost over the top === mdz shovels more coal into the furnace [05:54] would it be considered cheating to do a /usr/local/bin/everybody wget http://distrowatch.com/ubuntu ;) [05:59] hoary has been interesting to watch, it's a big step forward but alot of it was stuff that wasn't planned and alot of the planned stuff isn't going to make it in === syn-ack [meskes@CPE-69-76-190-218.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Safari_Al [~tr@ppp52-109.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === decko [decko@decko.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [~mpt@203.86.197.132] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [07:00] jdub: ping [07:01] tseng: pong! [07:01] tseng: hey hey hey! [07:01] hi jdub :P [07:02] ill probably be putting packages up tommorow [07:02] im almost finished making a mess of mono [07:02] 1.1.x? [07:02] well, i need to redo * [07:02] ugh [07:02] mono, gtk-sharp, gtk-sharp2, dbus-mono, muine, etc, etc [07:02] monodoc [07:02] im "finished" all thats listed [07:03] far out [07:03] tomboy and some others to go [07:03] and they arent clean [07:03] fex the mono packages have files in more than one package somehow [07:03] so then we need to at least test f-spot, tomboy, beagle... anything else significant? [07:03] muine, too, but I suspect tseng's on that already [07:03] im using muine right now [07:04] yes we need to test all of those [07:04] yeah, good call [07:04] im not sure how sane it is to go into hoary at this point [07:04] well, you have 6 more days. [07:04] since the packaging is sloppy [07:04] =) [07:04] well, we can always throw it straight into breezy [07:04] we can [07:04] id be happier to target breezy [07:04] and have maybe one series packages for hoary the people who really care [07:04] but i am not freaking out about hoary anymore [07:05] i spent alot of time complaining about how bad things were before doing anything :/ [07:05] to be honest, it's more sane to aim for Breezy [07:05] yeah === tseng could use a people.u.c [07:05] are those for sale? [07:06] yeah, we'll sort that out for you [07:06] sweet [07:06] I will also donate whatever space you need. [07:06] jdub: btw, the xfce 4.2.1.1 transition is complete [07:06] sweet sweet beagle. [07:06] crimsun: eeehhhhxcellent :) [07:06] i guess i will need to get elmo my gpg key, mako hasnt gotten to processing it afaik [07:07] CoC [07:08] crimsun: awesome work on xfce, that rocks dude. [07:08] whiprush: jani did the misc plugins [07:09] but the turnaround was pretty good, a bit under 2 days [07:09] man, things really turned out well for the release. [07:10] yeah, a lot of people pushing. :) [07:10] back around when inotify and gamin were blowing up I was crying like a little girl in the corner. [07:10] hahaha === syn-ack [meskes@CPE-69-76-190-218.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:16] ya know, it totally didn't even cross my mind that the gdm screen was an april fool's [07:16] I just restarted gdm and thought, "hmm, oh well" [07:16] how old is mdz? he can't be older than 25. [07:16] morning === lu|away [~louie@c-24-61-44-31.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:18] crimsun: nutball :) === gabaug [~gabe@216-43-99-149.dsl.mcleodusa.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:18] heheh [07:18] whiprush: mdz is timeless [07:19] mdz is made of stars [07:19] I spent a good portion of the day laughing [07:19] we are all made of stars [07:19] between Fleck and the GDM theme [07:20] daniels: I like how you young kids end up accomplishing what you do, it does wonders for my self esteem let me tell you. :p [07:20] daniels is like a whole year younger than me [07:20] dude, daniels has barely left pre-school [07:20] like a baby. === crimsun chuckles [07:20] how old are you daniels? 19? [07:21] robbing the cradle. [07:21] jdub: hey, I'm in uni now [07:21] jdub: that puts me anywhere between 18 and 60 [07:21] jdub: you gotta be pushing 30 or so. [07:21] daniels: uni sucks [07:21] whiprush: yea, you guys are old [07:22] whiprush: ohgeethanksman. [07:22] it's the goatee. Adds a few years. Has to be. [07:22] heh === schweeb guesses jdub is 27 [07:22] i was thinking 28 [07:22] but 27 is nice. [07:22] and people were saying that when i was 16... [07:22] poor jdub ;_; [07:23] jdub: and now, 24 years on, you look *younger* rather than *older*! [07:23] hey is UDU going to be flumotioned? [07:23] whiprush: not enough upstream bandwidth [07:23] taped then? [07:24] hopefully [07:24] though [07:24] see, it's not really a conference [07:24] it's a developer sprint [07:25] except for the not-writing-any-ocde [07:25] -code [07:25] well, there has been some of that :) [07:25] mdz: so was I right? You're 25-ish? [07:25] ish [07:25] hehe [07:26] schweeb: so yeah -- somewhere between 18 and 60 [07:27] daniels: lol [07:27] well if you're a year younger than tseng, you're a year younger than I [07:27] so you're 19 :) [07:27] ah, but tseng could be wrong [07:28] i am not [07:28] i stalk you. [07:28] across oceans! [07:28] "well, I like your work daniels, I'd like to buy you a drink, what's your poison?" "Coke." "Oh ... I see." [07:28] whiprush: hm coke [07:29] whiprush: i met russel coker recently (another aussie) [07:29] ah, see, here, you can buy alcohol at 18 [07:29] when asked if there is anything he doesnt eat [07:29] whiprush: (note that the ... yeah, what jdub said [07:29] oh [07:29] they have no laws in Australia [07:29] man [07:29] he says "corn syrup" [07:29] hahaha [07:29] haha [07:29] russell is funny [07:29] makes sense, as it started out as a prison colony :) === lamont sleeps [07:29] as opposed to america, which has much more noble beginnings :P [07:29] and after dinner, of all the places to see in america [07:30] russel wants to go to walmart [07:30] heh. [07:30] I've met many non-americans that want to go to walmart. [07:31] when I was younger we had some kuwaiti royalty visit our area. we took them to all the expensive malls and stuff. They didn't dig that. They dug walmart though. [07:31] i didn't enjoy my last trip to the US. i hope i will enjoy another one in the future. [07:31] one sheik dude bought like 40 pairs of plastic sandals. [07:31] oscon? [07:32] yeah [07:32] stayed in portland and sfo === aka_daemon [~daemon@202-74-217-169.ue.woosh.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:32] you stayed in the airport? [07:32] heh, no [07:33] what sucked about it? [07:33] i kind of enjoyed my last one, but the whole place kinda freaked me out; even canada did, albeit to a lesser degree [07:33] it was very intimidating [07:33] how so? [07:33] needed a car to get everywhere (i don't drive) [07:33] enovegemite? [07:34] ah, yes. [07:34] sfo was okay in that regard [07:34] except going to santa clara [07:34] oh man, you'd hate Michigan [07:34] i had sushi after a business meeting [07:34] public transportation-- [07:34] I felt the opposite in boston. you don't drive anywhere, you subway all over. [07:34] and asked the waitress where "the station" was [07:34] "the police station?" [07:34] ... [07:34] hahah [07:34] seriously [07:34] whiprush: i took a bus in boston [07:34] "station to what honey?" [07:35] everything is big [07:35] yeah. [07:35] and corn syrup taste strange [07:35] and all the chips are corn chips [07:35] our area is big on big stuff. The bigger the SUV the better around here. [07:35] yeah, portland was scary for car size [07:36] whiprush: or my Cadillac :) [07:36] i couldn't get a taxi smaller than a bus [07:36] I look forward to checking out sydney, never been that far out from home before. [07:37] germany was real jorge-friendly to me though. [07:37] mostly the beer, I'm sure [07:37] yeah, wish i could be there [07:37] any country where you can drink beer at any time of the day is fine with me. [07:37] score one for schweeb. [07:38] jdub: how did you like the people? [07:38] oscon was pretty good [07:39] but very corporate foss hacker audience [07:39] lots of nice people, but plenty of ego ;) [07:39]