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| dholbach | good night | 12:49 |
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| crimsun | night daniel | 12:49 |
| === Mithrandir waves to dholbach | ||
| dholbach | bye crimsun, Mithrandir | 12:53 |
| tseng | thats awfully early for him | 12:55 |
| ogra | yep, he has to help a friend moving | 12:56 |
| Burgundavia | anybody else seriously annoyed by the new "feature" of nautilus? | 12:56 |
| dredg | no | 12:57 |
| === ogra is very happy with it | ||
| tseng | what feature is that | 12:57 |
| ogra | tseng, left and middlebutton behavior changed in nautilus | 12:58 |
| tseng | if you mean closing the parent window | 12:58 |
| tseng | it bugs the sh** out of me | 12:58 |
| crimsun | I thought he meant the auto-closing of parent | 12:58 |
| tseng | how do i change it back | 12:58 |
| ogra | it has a gconf key | 12:58 |
| ogra | see nautilus hangelog | 12:58 |
| crimsun | * debian/patches/02_ubuntuspatial.patch: | 12:58 |
| crimsun | - changes to the spatial mode. Close the folders by default while browsing. | 12:58 |
| crimsun | You can set "/apps/nautilus/preferences/no_ubuntu_spatial" to get the | 12:58 |
| crimsun | previous spatial behaviour. | 12:58 |
| crimsun | eek, sorry about that | 12:58 |
| tseng | why in the world would we do that | 12:58 |
| ogra | tseng, sabdfls word ;) | 12:59 |
| tseng | UGH | 12:59 |
| Burgundavia | ugh | 12:59 |
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| Burgundavia | gconf key> | 12:59 |
| Burgundavia | ? | 12:59 |
| Burgundavia | whose idea of crazy was that? (Yes i know it was marks) | 12:59 |
| ogra | Burgundavia, i like it...like i said :) if you dont, just switch it back | 01:00 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 01:00 |
| Burgundavia | -devel or just ubuntu for a discussion on it? | 01:01 |
| tseng | it makes sense to say "just switch it" for a theme or a wallpaper | 01:01 |
| tseng | this is a little more buh, its buried deep in gconf | 01:01 |
| Burgundavia | tseng: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8516 | 01:01 |
| Burgundavia | read that | 01:01 |
| tseng | and, at the last second i should note | 01:01 |
| ogra | tseng, thats not last second.... | 01:03 |
| tseng | last week? | 01:03 |
| Burgundavia | almost last second | 01:03 |
| ogra | wait until release day ;) | 01:03 |
| StoneTable | working to package libapache2-mod-ldap-userdir. we've got 1.1.4, debian has 1.1.7. For something like this (mostly minor bug fixes, but does fix the build problem), should I just package up the newer version? | 01:04 |
| ogra | clearlooks was pulled in 1h before preview....thats last minute | 01:04 |
| tseng | that was also preview. | 01:04 |
| tseng | and it also made sense | 01:04 |
| ogra | i think the nautilus change makes a lot of sense for newbies | 01:04 |
| tseng | i dont | 01:05 |
| Burgundavia | i also don't | 01:05 |
| tseng | i think windows jumping around like babies on crack, and the old one disappearing will confuse newbies silly | 01:05 |
| Burgundavia | it makes "swimming up the tree" very difficult | 01:05 |
| koke | w00t?!? | 01:05 |
| koke | spatial is great! | 01:05 |
| tseng | you need to be familiar with the old spacial behaviour before you have any fucking clue what is happening at all | 01:05 |
| tseng | if you wanted to be friendly to people coming from windows, you would give them browser mode | 01:06 |
| Burgundavia | now, the old spatial wasn't really that must better with it barfing screens all over the place | 01:06 |
| tseng | well, once you realize that every window is spatial | 01:06 |
| koke | how is the "new" mode?? | 01:06 |
| tseng | koke: its like doing shift+click | 01:07 |
| ogra | swapped middle and leftclick | 01:07 |
| tseng | koke: the new window opens, and the old one closes | 01:07 |
| koke | hummm, not as bad | 01:07 |
| crimsun | (I admit I've not used nautilus in some time) | 01:07 |
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| Burgundavia | middle clicks and gconf keys are really not discoverable | 01:08 |
| Burgundavia | that was my major beef | 01:08 |
| tseng | absolutely they arent. | 01:08 |
| koke | tseng: talking about windows user, IIRC win98 default behaviour was like "old" spatial | 01:08 |
| tseng | sabdfl: what is the rationale for this nautilus change please? | 01:08 |
| tseng | koke: windows 95 | 01:08 |
| dredg | koke: that was windows 95 | 01:08 |
| dredg | it's now 10 years later :) | 01:09 |
| tseng | koke: was psuedo-spatial | 01:09 |
| tseng | in fact, it was window-per-folder, not spatial at all | 01:09 |
| dredg | that said, i hate all file managers. none really feel comfortable to use | 01:09 |
| tseng | spatial includes remembering windows size and position | 01:09 |
| tseng | every window relates in a 1 to 1 with an object | 01:09 |
| tseng | folder, file, what have you | 01:09 |
| tseng | and it has its own properties which are persistant | 01:09 |
| koke | oh, my mind try to remove those remembrances :) | 01:09 |
| tseng | windows did none of those. | 01:10 |
| tseng | i can see the threads on osnews now | 01:11 |
| tseng | "i tried ubuntu but it sucks because windows pop up at random omglolbbq | 01:12 |
| koke | would you find useful an options in nautilus preferences dialog to set the behaviour?? | 01:12 |
| dredg | i think you mistyped o*ne*s | 01:12 |
| Burgundavia | I want to be an option | 01:12 |
| Burgundavia | just not the default one | 01:12 |
| tseng | i would find it less offensive if it had a preference | 01:12 |
| Burgundavia | and not having it an option to turn off in the GUI means that it should never ever have been considered | 01:13 |
| tseng | but i still dont understand it at all | 01:13 |
| tseng | its not spatial or browser, its broken for everyone | 01:13 |
| tseng | except ogra. | 01:13 |
| ogra | :) | 01:13 |
| Burgundavia | tseng: have you added your comments to 8516? | 01:13 |
| tseng | yes | 01:13 |
| tseng | but not at length | 01:13 |
| tseng | since sabdfl isnt even cc'd | 01:14 |
| tseng | and the bug is closed | 01:14 |
| ogra | tseng, the alternative for me would be a broken shift key, since i used it a lot.... | 01:14 |
| Burgundavia | what is his email? | 01:14 |
| Burgundavia | I will add it to the cc | 01:14 |
| ogra | Burgundavia, he wrote to the ML | 01:14 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 01:14 |
| ogra | very recently | 01:14 |
| Burgundavia | which one? | 01:14 |
| ogra | apt-get org for example | 01:15 |
| Burgundavia | sorry | 01:15 |
| Burgundavia | duh | 01:15 |
| Burgundavia | I read that as he had written something about this to an ML | 01:15 |
| ogra | no, for the mail address :) | 01:15 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 01:16 |
| Burgundavia | mark@canonical won't take in bugzilla | 01:16 |
| tseng | he might not even be signed up | 01:17 |
| tseng | he is not directly involved in development | 01:17 |
| Burgundavia | he is in bugzilla | 01:17 |
| Mithrandir | Burgundavia: just type mark and you'll get a list of choiced. | 01:17 |
| Burgundavia | but under something else then | 01:17 |
| Mithrandir | uhm, choices | 01:17 |
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| koke | which should be the text for the preference?? | 01:23 |
| koke | "C_lose folder when opening a children" ?? | 01:24 |
| Burgundavia | close folder when opening a subfolder | 01:24 |
| koke | previous folder?? | 01:25 |
| Burgundavia | close previous folder when opening a subfolder? | 01:25 |
| koke | yep | 01:25 |
| Burgundavia | that could work | 01:25 |
| Burgundavia | is this going in asap? | 01:25 |
| jani | goodnight all | 01:25 |
| koke | which is exactly the gconf preference?? | 01:25 |
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| koke | true == old behaviour, or true == new behaviour?? | 01:26 |
| koke | Burgundavia: only if I'm able to hack nautilus :) | 01:26 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 01:26 |
| Burgundavia | I would say, from a usablity perspective, that is should be unchecked | 01:27 |
| Burgundavia | change the backend to suit that | 01:27 |
| Burgundavia | thus checked== close parent | 01:27 |
| Burgundavia | (the current and rather dumb default behaviour) | 01:28 |
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| Burgundavia | ogra: ping | 01:41 |
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| diamond | lo folks | 01:41 |
| ogra | Burgundavia, pong | 01:41 |
| Burgundavia | ogra: do you drag and drop files between folders? | 01:41 |
| ogra | Burgundavia, mostly only from the desktop to folders | 01:42 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 01:42 |
| Burgundavia | just wondering | 01:42 |
| ogra | or the other way around.... | 01:42 |
| Burgundavia | I just realized how often I do it | 01:42 |
| Burgundavia | and how borked the new scheme is for that | 01:42 |
| diamond_ | /msg nickserv link diamond 9639365 | 01:43 |
| diamond_ | oh nice | 01:43 |
| diamond_ | very nice | 01:43 |
| === diamond_ hangs head | ||
| diamond_ | anyway.... i have a question, dredg uploaded a package for me earlier (http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/s/snacc/1.3bbn-5.1ubuntu2/), | 01:44 |
| === Amaranth ghosts | ||
| diamond_ | but it doesn't build. however, that version isn't avialable in apt, | 01:44 |
| Burgundavia | nice password | 01:44 |
| diamond_ | when fixing the package, should i incement the version to ubuntu3? | 01:45 |
| dredg | steve you chump :) | 01:45 |
| dredg | yes | 01:45 |
| diamond | dredg: right | 01:45 |
| dredg | bump the version | 01:45 |
| dredg | the old files from earlier are still in the archive. reuploading is bad, wrong and bad | 01:46 |
| lamont | diamond: that _source_ isn't in the archive? | 01:46 |
| lamont | dredg: uploading new files with the same version will just get rejected... | 01:46 |
| diamond | lamont: ' apt-cache showsrc snacc' shows ubuntu1 | 01:46 |
| dredg | lamont: yeah, been there. | 01:46 |
| lamont | * snacc_1.3bbn-5.1ubuntu2.diff.gz | 01:47 |
| lamont | * snacc_1.3bbn-5.1ubuntu2.dsc | 01:47 |
| lamont | * snacc_1.3bbn.orig.tar.gz | 01:47 |
| lamont | that'd be ubuntu2 in the archive... | 01:47 |
| lamont | diamond: hence your mirror is out of date, or you haven't said 'apt-get update' in a while | 01:47 |
| diamond | lamont: right, probably the latter, so my bad | 01:47 |
| diamond | i'll just be very quiet now -) | 01:48 |
| lamont | heh | 01:49 |
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| === koke building nautilus with new patch... | ||
| koke | what a clean code! it's sooo easy to hack it :) | 01:56 |
| diamond | lamont: ah. i am vindicated! t'was my mirror. they probably only sync every 6 hours or someat. 'bout time it wasn't my fault for something -) | 02:03 |
| lamont | heh | 02:04 |
| diamond | (at least i just did an update, and still ubuntu1) | 02:04 |
| dredg | diamond: what mirror? | 02:04 |
| diamond | dredg: heanet | 02:04 |
| dredg | hmm | 02:04 |
| dredg | esat is out of sync too | 02:05 |
| dredg | ah | 02:06 |
| dredg | @ERROR: max connections (15) reached - try again later | 02:06 |
| dredg | that's in the heanet log | 02:06 |
| StoneTable | if anyone has time, I could use a review (libapache2-mod-ldap-userdir): http://thorin.battleaxe.net/~stone/hoary/ | 02:07 |
| koke | Burgundavia: I got it!!! :D | 02:12 |
| Burgundavia | koke: ? | 02:12 |
| Burgundavia | the patch works? | 02:12 |
| koke | the nautilus patch | 02:12 |
| Burgundavia | cool | 02:12 |
| koke | yeah, it works :D | 02:12 |
| koke | but has a bug | 02:12 |
| Burgundavia | now we can stop this insanity by offering the option | 02:12 |
| Burgundavia | bug? | 02:13 |
| koke | well, the bug was really for seb128's patch | 02:13 |
| koke | in the new behaviour | 02:13 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 02:13 |
| Burgundavia | what is the bug? | 02:13 |
| koke | if you open the parent window (Alt+Up), the current one keeps open | 02:13 |
| Burgundavia | I see | 02:14 |
| Burgundavia | got that too | 02:14 |
| Burgundavia | not a major bug though | 02:14 |
| tseng | ugh @ monodoc | 02:20 |
| diamond | right. sleeping time. nite folks | 02:20 |
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| Vollstrecker | Hi all. | 02:48 |
| Burgundavia | salut | 02:48 |
| Vollstrecker | Why has libcurl3 such an old version? | 02:48 |
| Vollstrecker | In debian sarge is 7.13.1 I have an amule pkg for sarge, and the ubuntu of my tester can't install it because of the too old version. | 02:49 |
| ajmitch | hi all | 02:51 |
| ajmitch | libcurl3 in hoary? | 02:52 |
| Vollstrecker | pe7er knows what he uses. He told me. | 02:52 |
| ajmitch | 7.13.1 would have been uploaded after the upstream version freeze | 02:52 |
| ajmitch | it appears to be in main, not universe | 02:53 |
| Vollstrecker | I don't know, I use only sarge. | 02:53 |
| lamont | ajmitch: is in main | 02:53 |
| ajmitch | yep, 7.13.0-1 has a changelog entry of 5th Feb, well after UVF | 02:54 |
| Vollstrecker | 7.13.1 is required. | 02:54 |
| lamont | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8088 | 02:54 |
| ajmitch | Vollstrecker: we can't do anything about packages in main here | 02:55 |
| ajmitch | and I don't think there'd be much chance of a change at this late stage in the release cycle, sorry | 02:55 |
| lamont | ajmitch: and it takes an act of god, pretty much, to change libraries in main less than a week before release | 02:56 |
| lamont | it'll be in breezy once that opens, though... :) | 02:56 |
| ajmitch | lamont: or sabdfl :) | 02:56 |
| lamont | god == mdz | 02:56 |
| Vollstrecker | I have no prob with this, but it would be nice, that ubuntu users could have easy to update cvs snaps of amule. | 02:56 |
| lamont | the archangel == jdub | 02:56 |
| Vollstrecker | I thought ubuntu is based on sid, how can they have older versions than in sarge? | 02:57 |
| lamont | this late in the game, even sabdfl at least listens to mdz | 02:57 |
| ajmitch | because ubuntu tracks sid up until upstream version freeze, and then doesn't grab any new packages automatically | 02:58 |
| ajmitch | sarge is still unfrozen apart from base, so packages can migrate into testing | 02:58 |
| Vollstrecker | When is your freeze? | 02:58 |
| Vollstrecker | Or release | 02:58 |
| ajmitch | release is in a week | 02:59 |
| Vollstrecker | And then came new pkg's | 02:59 |
| Vollstrecker | ? | 02:59 |
| ajmitch | once it is reopened | 03:03 |
| tseng | FUCK YEAH MUINE | 03:09 |
| Burgundavia | ? | 03:09 |
| tseng | im not sure if these packages are good enough to release | 03:09 |
| tseng | but they work | 03:09 |
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| arzajac | Hello. Is there anyone here? | 03:23 |
| crimsun | sure, what's up? | 03:31 |
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| arzajac | There is a bug in sl-modem-source | 04:09 |
| arzajac | It would be really easy to fix it and make sl-modem-modules. Would this be possible for Hoary? | 04:10 |
| crimsun | what's the bug? | 04:11 |
| arzajac | http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-March/006183.html | 04:12 |
| arzajac | Basically, it makes modules for debian using kernel-headers. | 04:12 |
| arzajac | It can be changed to linux-headers. | 04:12 |
| crimsun | hmm | 04:13 |
| arzajac | Is it too late for this. Can the sl-modem-modules package be introduced? | 04:13 |
| crimsun | there should not be a sl-modem-modules* package. | 04:13 |
| arzajac | Why? | 04:13 |
| crimsun | that's created by the user by compiling from sl-modem-source. | 04:13 |
| crimsun | sl-modem-modules is replaced by sl-modem-modules-new | 04:14 |
| arzajac | Yes, but then the user must download module-assistant and the sl-modem-source. It would be easier to just make the modules for the user. | 04:14 |
| crimsun | that's only done for ubuntu-maintainable ones, i.e. in 'main' | 04:15 |
| arzajac | I am quite active on the forums. I would assume that this represents about 35-50 per cent of all winmodems in North-America. | 04:15 |
| arzajac | ...Judging from the amount of questions on this. Also, this driver can be used with most AC97 codec modems, That is significant. | 04:16 |
| arzajac | Because Universi is not updated | 04:16 |
| arzajac | Because Universe is not updated/maintained after release? | 04:17 |
| crimsun | universe is frozen for Hoary when Hoary releases and unfrozen for Breezy as soon as it opens | 04:17 |
| crimsun | I think the Depends needs to be changed, yes. | 04:18 |
| arzajac | So modules made today would become obsolete and not be updated. Is there any way to put the modules elsewhere? | 04:18 |
| crimsun | kernel-image-_KVERS_ | linux-image-_KVERS_ should suffice | 04:18 |
| arzajac | Right. At least the packages generated would work. | 04:18 |
| crimsun | I should have caught that last time around. | 04:19 |
| arzajac | I should have notified you six months ago when the first complaints came in on the forums. | 04:19 |
| crimsun | well, I was asked yesterday to modify a different field in debian/control, which I did, but I didn't check the rest | 04:19 |
| arzajac | The lucent modem drivers were added to restriced-modules. Any chance here? ( I know it is late!) | 04:20 |
| arzajac | ...That would be a new feature... | 04:21 |
| arzajac | And the modules are useless without the daemon. | 04:21 |
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| crimsun | essentially, you're asking if we can compile an sl-modem-modules-new-$arch for every linux-image-$arch ? | 04:23 |
| crimsun | s/arch/uname -r/g | 04:23 |
| arzajac | They only work on 386 AFAIK. | 04:23 |
| arzajac | It is a precompiled binary from SmartLink. | 04:24 |
| crimsun | yes, for each arch under i386 | 04:24 |
| arzajac | Oh. Yes. | 04:24 |
| crimsun | hmm. It's not my call (and I think this should be discussed in #ubuntu-kernel, too). | 04:25 |
| arzajac | I understand. I am willing to help in any way. I only wish I had navigated the wiki sooner. | 04:26 |
| arzajac | Is there any work a guy like me can do to help right now? | 04:27 |
| crimsun | I'll go ahead and fix s/kernel/linux/g | 04:27 |
| crimsun | but I don't feel it's wise to generate kernel modules for each arch under i386 without speaking with the rest of the kernel team | 04:27 |
| arzajac | Okay. Thanks. I gotta go - the baby's crying.... | 04:30 |
| crimsun | np. | 04:30 |
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| crimsun | hey robitaille | 04:37 |
| robitaille | hi crimsun | 04:45 |
| StoneTable | Anyone feel like reviewing prj2make? http://thorin.battleaxe.net/~stone/hoary/ | 04:47 |
| crimsun | oh geez, yeah, I should take a look at the ToDo | 04:51 |
| crimsun | StoneTable: please put a link on MOTUTodo | 04:54 |
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| StoneTable | okay, will do :) | 04:55 |
| crimsun | thanks. | 04:58 |
| schweeb | howdy | 05:43 |
| crimsun | howdy | 05:43 |
| bddebian | Hello schweeb | 05:46 |
| ajmitch | howdy | 05:47 |
| bddebian | ajmitch!! | 05:47 |
| ajmitch | bddebian!!!1one! | 05:47 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Hey, are you gonna get a different laptop or do you still want me to send you the memory and such?? | 05:47 |
| ajmitch | I'll get a different laptop | 05:48 |
| ajmitch | but not for quite a few months yet | 05:48 |
| ajmitch | maybe not till the end of the year, so feel free to send the RAM :) | 05:48 |
| bddebian | Or do you want the whole laptop?? :-) | 05:49 |
| ajmitch | hah. that'd be nice :) | 05:49 |
| ajmitch | what is the laptop? | 05:49 |
| ajmitch | near-death? | 05:49 |
| bddebian | No it's my old Dell. 650Mhz but needs a keyboard and the battery latch is broken so it falls out easily.. :-( | 05:52 |
| ajmitch | probably similar than the cdrom latch on the current one | 05:54 |
| ajmitch | it's a different model latitude, right? | 05:54 |
| crimsun | Xfce 4.2.1.1 transition complete. | 05:54 |
| === crimsun breathes a sigh of relief. | ||
| ajmitch | good work, crimsun :) | 05:55 |
| crimsun | danke | 05:55 |
| crimsun | jani did nearly all the plugins :) | 05:55 |
| === ajmitch might have to take a look at xfce :) | ||
| crimsun | as simple as apt-getting xfce4 :-) | 05:56 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Yeah it's a CPx but the keyboard in your CPi might fit | 05:57 |
| ajmitch | alright | 05:58 |
| bddebian | Well there goes my Ubuntu box.. ;-P | 05:59 |
| ajmitch | heh, I couldn't take that off you.. | 06:02 |
| ajmitch | you need something for MOTU work ;) | 06:03 |
| bddebian | Nah, that's OK. I have another laptop waiting in the wings at work. :-) | 06:03 |
| bddebian | Bah, you know I'm worthless.. :-) | 06:03 |
| === lamont gives back everything that was building, dep-wait, or failed, on all architectures. enjoyh | ||
| ajmitch | lamont: thanks :) | 06:05 |
| lamont | ajmitch: the biggest effect it will have is to cause things you're currently working on that are down the list a ways to not get built for an hour or 12. | 06:06 |
| ajmitch | not too much of a problem here, I think | 06:06 |
| lamont | OTOH, out-of-date things (older version is in the archive) are built first | 06:07 |
| schweeb | man, some people really reacted pretty strongly to the Ubuntu login prank. I thought it was hilarious (man, I didn't think mdz was that young) | 06:19 |
| Lathiat | yeh i thought it was pretty funny | 06:20 |
| ajmitch | someone claiming his computer had been raped ;) | 06:21 |
| schweeb | I got to work, started my PC up, and cracked up | 06:21 |
| bddebian | heh | 06:21 |
| Lathiat | so who was in it | 06:21 |
| schweeb | and then there was the whole Fleck thing | 06:21 |
| schweeb | I laughed for a good 3 hours straight this morning | 06:21 |
| schweeb | Lathiat: top is elmo (ftp-master and admin), right is sabdfl (shuttleworth), left is mdz | 06:22 |
| Lathiat | ah cool | 06:23 |
| Lathiat | http://www.whiprush.org/2005/04/back_to_solaris.html <- haha | 06:24 |
| Lathiat | " The other, more popular theory is that the user merely starved to death waiting for Netbeans 4 to launch on the Sun machines." | 06:24 |
| schweeb | yea | 06:24 |
| schweeb | I was at the bar with whip earlier | 06:24 |
| schweeb | he was still wearing the Sun shirt | 06:24 |
| schweeb | lol | 06:24 |
| Lathiat | heh | 06:25 |
| === lamont tries to understand the 0-25, 25-50, 50-75, ... on UniversePriorityList | ||
| schweeb | lamont: well, the percentages are a bit off now, since some packages have been knocked out already | 06:39 |
| schweeb | and by a bit, I mean a lot | 06:39 |
| lamont | yeah, but % of what? | 06:39 |
| schweeb | the original list | 06:39 |
| lamont | ?? | 06:39 |
| lamont | percent of the distance down the list? | 06:39 |
| schweeb | yes | 06:40 |
| lamont | oj | 06:40 |
| lamont | ok even | 06:40 |
| schweeb | they were ordered by popcon | 06:40 |
| schweeb | and then divided by distance | 06:40 |
| schweeb | hence making it easier to accomplish a goal of fixing the top 25% of packages according to popcon | 06:41 |
| tseng | " | 06:53 |
| tseng | I've added links to the corresponding directories for all hoary packages | 06:53 |
| tseng | now. | 06:53 |
| tseng | " | 06:53 |
| tseng | http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/gnome/muine | 06:54 |
| tseng | by request :) | 07:07 |
| crimsun | oh excellent, higgs is back | 07:08 |
| crimsun | and taylored to ubuntu. | 07:08 |
| tseng | yep | 07:08 |
| tseng | we asked him to add links to build logs | 07:08 |
| crimsun | yeah, that rocks | 07:09 |
| tseng | indeed | 07:10 |
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| Usiu | Hi, I get compilation error 48:38: X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h: No such file or directory and I have libxext-dev instaled what's more the file doesnt contain that header... | 07:36 |
| schweeb | libxss-dev | 07:36 |
| Usiu | schweeb, thx | 07:37 |
| schweeb | no problem | 07:38 |
| Usiu | schweeb, is it ubuntu specyfic or it's as on debian ? | 07:38 |
| schweeb | I've run into that problem before, myself :) | 07:38 |
| schweeb | can't remember. | 07:38 |
| schweeb | use packages.debian.org to check | 07:38 |
| Usiu | schweeb, I moved to ubuntu but I want still to maintain unofficial debian packages.. I have a sponsor now.. | 07:39 |
| tseng | Usiu: use a pbuilder chroot with unstable | 07:39 |
| schweeb | ^^^^ | 07:39 |
| Usiu | tseng, yes.. I always use it for building for sid/sarge | 07:40 |
| tseng | well then | 07:40 |
| tseng | that will verify your deps by force | 07:40 |
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| hsprang | good morning :) | 09:43 |
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| dholbach | morning | 10:36 |
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| siretart | hello world :) | 10:47 |
| dholbach | hey siretart | 10:48 |
| siretart | huhu dholbach | 10:48 |
| siretart | how are things going? | 10:48 |
| dholbach | quite good... i should be helping a friend move, but he didnt tell me his adress, so i have some more time reviewing apt-get.org untill he tells me | 10:50 |
| siretart | :) | 10:50 |
| dholbach | apart from that: the guys were pretty active in tackling build problems | 10:50 |
| === siretart noticing dholbach skripts for universe priority list | ||
| siretart | :) | 10:50 |
| dholbach | i'm really proud of everyone in #ubuntu-motu | 10:51 |
| dholbach | :-) | 10:51 |
| siretart | :) | 10:51 |
| siretart | I finally managed to write my wiki page.. ;) | 10:52 |
| dholbach | yes! :-) | 10:52 |
| siretart | is anything missing? | 10:52 |
| siretart | btw, is universe frozen for hoary? when does breezy start? | 10:53 |
| dholbach | on your wiki page? | 10:54 |
| dholbach | universe will not be frozen until hoary release | 10:54 |
| siretart | ah, ok | 10:54 |
| dholbach | (april, 8th) | 10:54 |
| dholbach | gladly | 10:54 |
| dholbach | :-) | 10:54 |
| dholbach | i guess breezy will start right after UDU, but i'm not sure at all | 10:55 |
| dholbach | thing will be pretty bumpy after the auto-sync, i guess | 10:55 |
| dholbach | your wiki page looks good to me | 10:55 |
| dholbach | you could add a list of packages you fixed | 10:55 |
| siretart | wuuhu :) | 10:55 |
| siretart | ah, ok, will do.. | 10:55 |
| dholbach | so everyone will know you BELONG here | 10:56 |
| dholbach | :-) | 10:56 |
| dholbach | as a MOTU | 10:56 |
| siretart | btw, do you happen to know why cpp-2.95 is missing on ppc and amd64? | 10:56 |
| dholbach | not at all | 10:56 |
| siretart | hm | 10:57 |
| dholbach | i guess doko will be able to tell | 10:57 |
| siretart | shoudn't it be in main? | 10:57 |
| siretart | I think gcc-2.95 is quite a bit outdated, but still usable... | 10:57 |
| dholbach | i guess it's no longer supported | 10:57 |
| siretart | hm | 10:58 |
| dholbach | and we should start a plan of chucking it out when breezy is open | 10:58 |
| siretart | then it would be a good candidate for main | 10:58 |
| Mithrandir | gcc-2.95 doesn't work on amd64. | 10:58 |
| dholbach | there are some packages hard-depending on it, so we should tackle those first | 10:58 |
| siretart | I don't have an amd64 yet, so I have no clue about that.. | 10:58 |
| siretart | ok | 10:58 |
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| dholbach | hey jani | 11:00 |
| jani | hey dholbach | 11:00 |
| dholbach | jani: how's xfce coming along? | 11:00 |
| jani | I have it installed ;) | 11:00 |
| jani | there are still some helper apps to be built | 11:00 |
| dholbach | ah ok | 11:00 |
| dholbach | cool! | 11:00 |
| dholbach | :-) | 11:00 |
| jani | but not xfce4-core apps just things the xfce livecd guys added | 11:01 |
| jani | I wanted to see if crimsun is around to see how we share the load :) | 11:01 |
| doko | gcc-2.95 is in sarge/unstable to satisfy some very old build deps, i.e. 2.0 and 2.2 kernels. it shouldn't be used for anything else ... | 11:02 |
| jani | both crimsun's and my email address is banned from hoary-changes | 11:02 |
| jani | so we don't know what the state is (spamfilter) | 11:02 |
| siretart | doko: ah, thanks for explanation.. | 11:03 |
| dholbach | jani: lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hoary-changes/2005-March/thread.html | 11:04 |
| jani | dholbach I mean hoary-changes does not _receive_ from us :) | 11:05 |
| jani | so noone sees what we upload :) | 11:05 |
| dholbach | arg yes, ok... of course | 11:05 |
| jani | we work under the veil of secrecy | 11:06 |
| dholbach | jani: good one... did you upload the kernel-image i gave you? ;-) | 11:06 |
| jani | yup | 11:06 |
| jani | all set :) | 11:06 |
| dholbach | rock :-) | 11:06 |
| dholbach | i guess debian/copyright: "freeware" isn't really redistributable | 11:29 |
| siretart | freeware is not excatly a license, I would consider that rather than intention.. | 11:31 |
| siretart | s/than/as an/ | 11:31 |
| siretart | example: one could consider sun java as freeware, because you can download it free of charge | 11:32 |
| dholbach | i have loads of doom-levels, fortune cookies, ... stuff here, that is either not building or has funny licenses | 11:33 |
| siretart | I think it would be best to ask the author under which terms he would allow redistribution, with pointer to bsd oder gpl license | 11:34 |
| dholbach | yeah... i'll do that for breezy | 11:35 |
| dholbach | atm i just look what builds and is ok | 11:35 |
| jani | dholbach how is the pat-ge.org progressing? | 11:35 |
| jani | apt-get | 11:35 |
| dholbach | www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetOrg | 11:35 |
| dholbach | i think i do quite well | 11:35 |
| jani | whow lot's of work there | 11:37 |
| dholbach | yup | 11:37 |
| jani | popcon is the guide? | 11:37 |
| dholbach | that's why i didnt help out with the build-lists | 11:37 |
| dholbach | jani: no... not for apt-get.org | 11:38 |
| jani | maybe there should have been a poll on ubuntu-users | 11:38 |
| dholbach | i checked each and every source repo | 11:38 |
| jani | there might be a lot of useless sw out there | 11:38 |
| dholbach | _source_ | 11:38 |
| dholbach | yes | 11:38 |
| dholbach | i weeded out the woody backports | 11:38 |
| dholbach | and wrote a script that checked if we have the source packages already in | 11:38 |
| dholbach | and wrote mail templates to all those guys :-) | 11:39 |
| jani | :) | 11:39 |
| jani | spam eh? | 11:39 |
| dholbach | python ROCKS | 11:39 |
| dholbach | no... didnt send them out yet | 11:39 |
| jani | yep it sure does | 11:39 |
| dholbach | i only wished people would use pbuilder to check their packaging | 11:42 |
| jani | dholbach I don't (yet) ;P | 11:42 |
| jani | I did not yet figure out how to reuse apt-cache | 11:42 |
| jani | and want to do that before using pbuilder | 11:42 |
| dholbach | didn't want to blame you for anything | 11:42 |
| jani | but I have to otherwise it's too tedious and error prone | 11:42 |
| dholbach | but your packaging is more reliable | 11:42 |
| dholbach | :-) | 11:43 |
| jani | I know I just admitted it | 11:43 |
| jani | hello, I am jani and I do not use pbuilder, next ? ;) | 11:43 |
| dholbach | jani: good to have you around... even without pbuilder :-) | 11:43 |
| jani | ubuntu 1 point below mandrake for 6 months statistics onm distrowatch! | 11:43 |
| jani | thanks | 11:43 |
| jani | I have a feeling by the end of the year ubuntu will be almost synonimous to linux for many people | 11:44 |
| dholbach | hahaha... yes! :-) | 11:44 |
| jani | bbl | 11:48 |
| dholbach | bye | 11:48 |
| Treenaks | nnect, address 3 | 11:50 |
| Treenaks | uhm.. right? | 11:50 |
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| dholbach | hey koke | 11:51 |
| dholbach | koke: NICE nautilus patch | 11:51 |
| koke | dholbach: thanks :) | 11:51 |
| dholbach | koke: did you ask seb128 for inclusion? | 11:51 |
| Treenaks | I'm still of the opinion that big changes like that shouldn't be introduced during Deep Freeze | 11:51 |
| koke | dholbach: no, yesterday when I finished, he has already leave | 11:51 |
| koke | Treenaks: I agree | 11:52 |
| dholbach | ah ok | 11:52 |
| koke | I'd propose the change but defaulting to old behaviour | 11:52 |
| dholbach | hope you don't just leave it on your harddisk | 11:52 |
| dholbach | *ARGARGARG* 50MB NATIVE PACKAGE | 11:52 |
| dholbach | thank god it ftbfs | 11:53 |
| koke | dholbach: which package?!? | 11:54 |
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| dholbach | flightgear-scenery-w130n40 from http://jeroen.coekaerts.be/debian/ | 11:54 |
| dholbach | unfortunately all those fortunes-* packages ftbfs too | 11:55 |
| dholbach | arg... they're all native | 11:57 |
| koke | w0w, flightgear is a huge package so the sceneries are | 11:58 |
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| koke | dholbach: where do you see that these ftbfs?? | 11:58 |
| koke | buildd logs?? | 11:58 |
| dholbach | i try | 11:58 |
| dholbach | ALL | 11:58 |
| koke | are they already imported? | 11:58 |
| dholbach | no | 11:59 |
| dholbach | that's why i'm trying :-) | 11:59 |
| koke | hehe | 11:59 |
| dholbach | www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetOrg | 11:59 |
| Burgundavia | can I ask stupid question? | 12:02 |
| sabdfl | nup | 12:02 |
| Burgundavia | what is FTBFS | 12:02 |
| sabdfl | fail to build from source | 12:02 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 12:02 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 12:02 |
| Burgundavia | I knew it was a stupid questin | 12:02 |
| siretart | Burgundavia: not at all, I also think it is rather an unobvious acronym.. | 12:03 |
| koke | I think I'm going to patch bsdgames ;) | 12:04 |
| siretart | good idea :) | 12:04 |
| koke | to add ftbfs and sabdfl to wtf :D | 12:04 |
| siretart | ;) | 12:05 |
| siretart | anyone here with an amd64? I think I fixed an ftbfs for amd64 (package libhdf4), but I cannot test it | 12:07 |
| siretart | I found a patch from the debian amd64 guys claiming to fix it.. | 12:07 |
| dholbach | siretart: url? | 12:07 |
| koke | who manages planet.ubuntu?? jdub?? | 12:08 |
| dholbach | koke: yes | 12:08 |
| koke | he told me about a month ago "do you want to be in planet...?" and I'm not yet there :) | 12:08 |
| dholbach | mail him | 12:09 |
| siretart | dholbach: http://siretart.tauware.de/ubuntu-packages/libhdf4 | 12:10 |
| siretart | upload just finished, builds on i386, so no regression | 12:11 |
| dholbach | wow that's a patch :-) | 12:11 |
| siretart | yeah. THAT wasn't my fault ;) | 12:11 |
| siretart | there seems to be some scientific packages depending on that lib, I found it investigation some build failures which led me to that lib (never heard before about it) | 12:12 |
| siretart | googling pointed me to a patch from debian-amd64 team. would be very nice if the patch would work | 12:13 |
| dholbach | siretart: could you try to dpkg-source -x *.dsc on your source package? | 12:13 |
| dholbach | i get this one: tar: Read 8192 bytes from - | 12:13 |
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| siretart | hae?! same here.. investigating.. | 12:15 |
| koke | to enable dpatch in a package, the patch-stamp goes into build or build-stamp?? | 12:16 |
| koke | I always forget that :( | 12:16 |
| dholbach | koke: i forgot as well :-/ | 12:17 |
| koke | xD | 12:17 |
| siretart | dholbach: the same on the original source package, | 12:17 |
| siretart | dholbach: package seems to be extracted ok though.. | 12:17 |
| dholbach | siretart: ok | 12:17 |
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| dholbach | siretart: looks good, although the package could do with a shlibs file as well | 12:19 |
| dholbach | oh sorry | 12:19 |
| dholbach | seems not to be your fault (or of the package maintainer) | 12:20 |
| ogra | morning | 12:20 |
| dholbach | hey ogra | 12:21 |
| siretart | huhu ogra | 12:23 |
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| koke | I have bsdgames patched :D | 12:50 |
| dholbach | hahahahaaa :-) | 12:51 |
| dholbach | sabdfl will like that | 12:51 |
| dholbach | ;-) | 12:51 |
| sabdfl | :-) | 12:52 |
| dholbach | sabdfl: then you will receive 50 mails less each day, hm? :-) | 12:52 |
| sabdfl | no, I'll *read* 50 mails less each day :-) | 12:53 |
| dholbach | hehe :-) | 12:53 |
| koke | I don't know if my key is already in the ring, dholbach do you want to upload?? | 12:54 |
| dholbach | koke: sure | 12:55 |
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| sabdfl | is there a way to use sed or vi to change all the occurrences of a string into something else in a whole bunch of files? | 12:57 |
| koke | sabdfl: perl -pi -e 's/foo/bar/' file1 file2 ... | 12:58 |
| koke | not sure if that works | 12:58 |
| koke | do some tests first :D | 12:58 |
| Treenaks | sed -i -e 's/a/b/' file1 file22 | 12:58 |
| sabdfl | ok koke :-) | 12:58 |
| Treenaks | shuold work too | 12:58 |
| dholbach | koke: done | 12:58 |
| sabdfl | yay for revision control | 12:58 |
| koke | that was my very frien for the python transition :D | 12:59 |
| koke | grep -r "2\.3" ... | 12:59 |
| jani | nit: both perl and sed though should add global in case something appears on the same line s/foo/bar/g | 01:01 |
| jani | appears more than once I meant | 01:01 |
| koke | jani: sure, I forgot the /g | 01:02 |
| jani | do you guys think a patch to dch to know about ubuntu versioning would be in order? | 01:03 |
| jani | cause I got my local dch modified | 01:04 |
| jani | saves a few keystrokes and helps geratly in scripting | 01:04 |
| jani | greatly | 01:04 |
| ogra | jani, rather call it uch then, we still are a platform for DDs :) | 01:04 |
| jani | well it works with plain debian versioning as well of course :) | 01:05 |
| ogra | oh, its KI code :) | 01:05 |
| siretart | alias uch='dch -D hoary' sounds reasonable | 01:05 |
| ogra | s/KI/AI | 01:05 |
| siretart | oh, with ubuntu versioning increment.. hmm i see.. | 01:05 |
| jani | not just that siretart but in generating new revision number make 2.3-1ubunut1 instead of 2.3-2 when the last is 2.3-1 | 01:06 |
| jani | ogra you lost me with KI AI :) | 01:06 |
| dholbach | siretart: uploaded | 01:06 |
| siretart | woohoo. lets see if it fixes some more amd64 packages :) | 01:06 |
| ogra | jani, Artificial Intelligence :) | 01:06 |
| jani | ah, nah just regexp stuff ;) | 01:07 |
| ogra | jani, thats near ;) | 01:07 |
| jani | I thought AI != BM | 01:07 |
| jani | black magic | 01:07 |
| ogra | vodoo | 01:07 |
| jani | seriously ogra, do you think it'd harm anything if we had that changed, to handle our case? | 01:09 |
| ogra | nope | 01:09 |
| ogra | if it works like you described i dont see any harm... | 01:09 |
| jani | ok, I'll ask the devscripts maintainer over in devel what they think | 01:09 |
| dholbach | after building and reviewing 70 packages I get WTOOMUCHCRACK - i'm out on the flea market - see you later ;-) | 01:11 |
| ogra | ciao dholbach, nice work :) | 01:12 |
| ogra | enjoy the spring | 01:12 |
| dholbach | ogra: will do :-))))) | 01:12 |
| siretart | cu dholbach, have fun! : | 01:13 |
| sabdfl | Treenaks, koke: you guys rock, the sed -i -e thing worked perfectly | 01:20 |
| tseng | bye dholbach. | 01:32 |
| jani | tseng how's mono packaging going? | 01:33 |
| tseng | its fine | 01:33 |
| jani | are you going for 1.1.x ? | 01:33 |
| tseng | it works but its not cleaned up | 01:33 |
| tseng | i dont think hoary is a great idea | 01:33 |
| tseng | it wont go in for a few days, which would leave no time to fix stuff | 01:33 |
| ogra | so no beagle ? | 01:33 |
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| siretart | tseng: do you think that a backport for mono 1.1 for hoary would be feasible? | 01:34 |
| ogra | siretart, please avoid that word in here | 01:34 |
| tseng | i think backports are bad. | 01:34 |
| siretart | ogra: sorry | 01:34 |
| ogra | heh | 01:34 |
| jani | I still think it would be nice if universe remained open after hoary release for NEW packages only | 01:35 |
| tseng | ... | 01:35 |
| ogra | jani, we have breezy for that... | 01:35 |
| jani | no regressions, but no need for some backports either | 01:35 |
| jani | ogra, yes but you know how poeple are :) | 01:35 |
| ogra | jani, there is no need at all for backports | 01:35 |
| tseng | there will always be one piece of software that comes out after freeze | 01:36 |
| tseng | and goes in the next release | 01:36 |
| ogra | jani, and if i see how they are done (~ in the version number etc) i start crying | 01:36 |
| jani | ogra, I agree that's wny such semi-closed hoary uni would make many backports unneeded | 01:36 |
| siretart | is there some pointer to policy for hoary-updates? what goes in there for universe? | 01:36 |
| tseng | people who want a "stable system" and "bleeding edge' are on their own | 01:36 |
| ogra | siretart, nothing... | 01:36 |
| tseng | and probably hitting too much pipe | 01:36 |
| jani | it's not about bleeding-edge | 01:36 |
| ogra | siretart, its a leftover of an idea afaik | 01:37 |
| jani | no beagle at all vs beagle is not about bleeding edge but about having smt or not | 01:37 |
| siretart | ogra: huh? whats hoary-updates for then? | 01:37 |
| tseng | hoary-updates is for data loss bugs and calander updates | 01:37 |
| jani | I don't want already existing sw in universe touched either | 01:37 |
| ogra | jani, it is....if you cant wait 6 months tfor software to stabilize, its about bleeding edge | 01:37 |
| jani | ogra,tseng it's not all black and white :) | 01:38 |
| tseng | its is here :P | 01:38 |
| ogra | siretart, it was an idea for warty.... | 01:38 |
| tseng | its in or its out | 01:38 |
| jani | freezes do tend do categorize software in these two categories but real world is colorful | 01:38 |
| tseng | like i said, software either makes the freeze or it doesnt | 01:38 |
| ogra | jani, its our release plan... | 01:38 |
| tseng | black, white | 01:39 |
| siretart | ah, I understand, its similar to volatile.debian.org, yes? | 01:39 |
| jani | but until we have better (with sound engineering foundation) methodolgies I guess we're stuck with it :) | 01:39 |
| ogra | jani, and 6 months are not to long to wait for well tested stuff | 01:39 |
| Burgundavia | night all | 01:39 |
| ogra | night Burgundavia | 01:39 |
| tseng | bye Burgundavia. | 01:39 |
| jani | ogra, tseng people _will_ make backports even if we don't like it and users _will_ try those pesky repos anyway | 01:40 |
| tseng | those users will break their upgrade path | 01:41 |
| ogra | jani, yep, sad but true.... the bad thing is that they brak a lot... | 01:41 |
| jani | it would be nicer if we had more endorsed aletrnatives so we avoid confusion and bugreports we have nothing to do with | 01:41 |
| tseng | and we'll tell them why they wont do it again | 01:41 |
| tseng | yeah dude, why dont we just package everything we can find | 01:41 |
| jani | and so we waste our time because of them | 01:41 |
| ogra | jani, nope, the right way is to convice the users like tseng said | 01:41 |
| tseng | then we wont have to worry about it | 01:41 |
| jani | convince users ;) where do you live ? | 01:41 |
| tseng | we'll call that the "apt-get.org argument" | 01:42 |
| jani | tseng, the plan is to package everything we can | 01:42 |
| jani | I know about it and I am not refering to every piece of junk | 01:42 |
| tseng | my personal plan is to make the best packages I can | 01:42 |
| ogra | jani, we dont waste time on them....its up to the backport people to tell them how to fix it....and we get more and more users following our path through their experience | 01:42 |
| tseng | with no regard to quantity | 01:42 |
| jani | but tseng I would find it way nicer that if you can get beagle and mono 1.1 working in 2 weeks after the release but have a way of putting them in universe without introducing regressions since it is all NEW software it is way nicer for users | 01:43 |
| jani | tseng, ack | 01:43 |
| tseng | whats new software? | 01:43 |
| jani | beagle | 01:44 |
| tseng | mono, dbus-mono, monodoc | 01:44 |
| jani | we dont have it yet do we? | 01:44 |
| tseng | gtk-sharp | 01:44 |
| tseng | i need to touch all of those | 01:44 |
| tseng | and more. | 01:44 |
| ogra | jani, but then we could stop making releases at all.... | 01:44 |
| tseng | then muine, f-spot blam did I make my point yet? | 01:44 |
| tseng | none of that is NEW | 01:44 |
| jani | tseng, I didn't know you have to touch other mono stuff | 01:44 |
| jani | in that case I rest my case :) | 01:44 |
| ogra | jani, if we set ourselves a deadline we have to cope with it.... | 01:44 |
| jani | ogra, I know | 01:45 |
| jani | it's a misunderstaning | 01:45 |
| jani | I thought beagle and mono-1.1 take a lot of time to package and test but that's all | 01:45 |
| jani | didn't know they imply touching so many mono libraries | 01:45 |
| tseng | ive spent hours for the last two days touching every piece | 01:45 |
| tseng | jani: they are all currently installing in a non-standard path | 01:46 |
| tseng | it needs to be undone is a certain order for the deptree | 01:46 |
| jani | are you _the_ mono team ? | 01:46 |
| tseng | there is a debian mono team | 01:46 |
| tseng | who is seemingly too busy to do this job in the time frame id like | 01:47 |
| jani | ok my argument wrt open for NEW only still stands, it's just that it doesn't apply to mono stuff :( | 01:47 |
| tseng | then we'll agree to disagree | 01:48 |
| jani | fair enough | 01:48 |
| siretart | I'm looking for something eat, bbl! | 01:48 |
| tseng | i dont want to be an ass, just i have different ideas on the direction of MOTU | 01:48 |
| jani | you're not an ass I saw your hackergotchi :) | 01:48 |
| jani | sure I understand | 01:49 |
| tseng | which is less adding every piece of software to coddle users, and more making the stuff we do have nice. | 01:49 |
| jani | my proposal by applying only to NEW packages is orthogonal and caters for making our stuff nice _and_ coddling users :) | 01:50 |
| jani | however it is a 'what if' I don't care that much | 01:51 |
| ogra | jani, its not arguable....if we freeze, we freeze for all parts of the distro... | 01:51 |
| jani | ogra, I agree with freezing I only want to redefine the meaning of freeze ;) | 01:51 |
| ogra | jani, we had this discussion in the last meeting | 01:51 |
| jani | ogra, that was about uni being open to all | 01:52 |
| jani | not just NEW packages | 01:52 |
| jani | I wa sin that meeting | 01:52 |
| jani | was in | 01:52 |
| ogra | jani, in any case freeze is freeze and not arguable | 01:52 |
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| jani | OT: any way in the new gnome open dialog to enter the file path by hand? | 02:00 |
| tseng | Ctrl+L | 02:00 |
| jani | cool thanks! | 02:00 |
| tseng | np. | 02:00 |
| jani | wow it even does completion | 02:00 |
| tseng | works in nautilus too. | 02:00 |
| jani | I only use gnome open in firefox, I am using xfce | 02:01 |
| tseng | ok. | 02:01 |
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| dholbach | re | 02:25 |
| koke | hey, I know how to mobblog now :D | 02:38 |
| koke | http://movil.amedias.org/post.php/2 | 02:38 |
| dholbach | you know what? | 02:41 |
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| koke | dholbach: post in a blog by my cell phone | 02:45 |
| koke | actually by email | 02:45 |
| dholbach | i never thought one could need that ;-) | 02:46 |
| dholbach | but what i already thought about was waking my box up from my mobile :-) | 02:48 |
| koke | dholbach: what's the policy for apt-get.org's ftbfs packages | 03:24 |
| koke | fix the package, notify upstream, discard it,...? | 03:24 |
| dholbach | koke: atm nothing | 03:25 |
| dholbach | koke: because we won't have time | 03:25 |
| dholbach | koke: but for next release, we can try to contact them and get them working in here | 03:25 |
| dholbach | :-) | 03:25 |
| koke | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/l/lxdoom/1.4.4-9/lxdoom_1.4.4-9_20050327-0327-amd64-failed <-- quite strange | 03:30 |
| koke | I guess builders will try again soon, won't they? | 03:31 |
| koke | w0w, builders are crazy: | 03:32 |
| koke | /build/buildd/akregator-1.0-beta8/./configure: line 21: /dev/null: Permission denied | 03:32 |
| koke | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/a/akregator/1.0-beta8-2/akregator_1.0-beta8-2_20050327-0910-i386-failed | 03:32 |
| motaboy | koke: akragato is now in kdepim 3.4 | 03:34 |
| motaboy | s/akragot/akregator | 03:34 |
| koke | hmmm, to morgue then | 03:34 |
| dholbach | yes | 03:34 |
| motaboy | koke: there's an alone versions for systems with <=kde3.3 | 03:35 |
| dholbach | ok... 3 pbuilders running, i guess i can go a bit out again ;-) | 03:35 |
| koke | motaboy: but I guess the binary akregator package from kdepim can run standalone... | 03:35 |
| koke | dholbach: not a bad idea at all :) | 03:35 |
| koke | time for a coffee? | 03:36 |
| motaboy | koke: yeah. | 03:36 |
| koke | dholbach: my firefox takes about a minute to load UniversePriorityList | 03:37 |
| koke | should I split in two? | 03:37 |
| dholbach | hrm | 03:37 |
| dholbach | i think it's hard enough to keep all of the lists under control atm :-/ | 03:38 |
| dholbach | i'd rather leave it as it is | 03:38 |
| koke | maybe a wiki is not the best option :) | 03:39 |
| koke | and plone is very powerful but I don't like the resulting html | 03:39 |
| siretart | koke: I already fixed lxdoom a few days ago, problem was some spurios "extern int errno;". This is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=274929 btw | 03:45 |
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| dholbach | bye koke | 03:58 |
| dholbach | alright... i'm out for a bit as well | 04:01 |
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| bddebian | Morning | 04:12 |
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| crimsun | jani: yep, I'm around | 04:24 |
| crimsun | jani: currently debugging an xfdesktop4 bug with the root menu | 04:25 |
| crimsun | (missing symbol) | 04:27 |
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| jani | I'm back too crimsun | 05:09 |
| jani | I saw a bug related to the menu | 05:10 |
| jani | I suppose that's what you're reffering too | 05:10 |
| motaboy | I've got a question on cdbs. | 05:10 |
| jani | I wonder why mousepad did not build | 05:10 |
| motaboy | If I use the kde.mk rule, then dh_install is called different times for every package. | 05:10 |
| motaboy | in this way if I had the --list-missing option, it will complain for the uninstalled files from the other package... | 05:11 |
| motaboy | So I don't know what's the right way to look for missing files :( | 05:11 |
| motaboy | s/had/add | 05:11 |
| jani | sorry I know nothing about cdbs | 05:12 |
| motaboy | jani: thanks anyway. :D | 05:13 |
| lamont | koke: the dev/null permissions issues were part of the reason that I did the mass-giveback of hoary building/depwait/failed stuff. | 05:13 |
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| crimsun | jani: yeah, it's annoying :( (RE: menu) | 05:14 |
| crimsun | it's a missing "quit" symbol | 05:14 |
| jani | do you think it got 'lost' when building on ubuntu? | 05:15 |
| jani | when I installed from os-works it worked | 05:15 |
| crimsun | it's possible, since xfce4 has a fairly strict build order | 05:15 |
| crimsun | but the actual exiting is fine, since we can both quit our Xfce4 sessions | 05:16 |
| jani | hmm can we trigger a rebuild without uploading first?just curious | 05:16 |
| crimsun | lamont would be able to | 05:17 |
| jani | then we'd have to apt-get and retry | 05:17 |
| lamont | jani: or tell me which packages to kick.. | 05:17 |
| lamont | mind you, better build-deps would solve that as well... | 05:17 |
| jani | lamont, we're not sure it's the build deps but it could be | 05:18 |
| crimsun | the b-d are all versioned high enough to require >= 4.2 | 05:18 |
| crimsun | so none of the older stuff is getting pulled in | 05:18 |
| jani | right | 05:19 |
| ogra | crimsun, you talked about the order....i think lamont means that | 05:19 |
| lamont | jani: actually, all of xfce on i386 is either installed or uploaded, atm. | 05:19 |
| jani | I wonder if gdm could have anythiong to do with it | 05:19 |
| jani | lamont, right | 05:19 |
| lamont | even on ia64. :-) | 05:20 |
| jani | btw lamont any clue why mousepad did not build? http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/m/mousepad/0.2.0-1/ | 05:20 |
| jani | it installs the package it needs but does not find its .pc file | 05:20 |
| jani | strange | 05:20 |
| crimsun | jani: we don't have such a package | 05:21 |
| jani | libxfcegui4-dev is the package and it's apparently there but libxfcegui4-1.0.pc | 05:21 |
| crimsun | there's no .0 | 05:21 |
| jani | dpkg -L libxfcegui4-dev |grep pc | 05:21 |
| crimsun | need to fix debian/control to b-d on the correct package iirc | 05:22 |
| crimsun | I looked at it last night but was too tired to fix it | 05:22 |
| lamont | note that mousepad is currently 'Needs-Build' on all 4 architectures | 05:22 |
| jani | but Ii builds for me locally | 05:22 |
| jani | what does needs-build mean? that it failed so far | 05:22 |
| lamont | jani: in a clean chroot? | 05:22 |
| jani | lamont, nope I admit | 05:23 |
| lamont | jani: it means that the buildd's will give it another shot | 05:23 |
| crimsun | oh, I see | 05:23 |
| crimsun | hmm, it should build fine | 05:23 |
| jani | but pkg-config finds that file if I do the step it chokes on manually | 05:23 |
| lamont | Needs-Build is the state that buildds' take it _from_ | 05:23 |
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| jani | but any idea why it can fail like that if it looks like(at least to me) pkg-config should have succeeded | 05:24 |
| crimsun | oooh, wait a sec | 05:24 |
| crimsun | configure script is broken | 05:25 |
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| crimsun | did you say it built locally on yours? | 05:25 |
| jani | yup | 05:25 |
| crimsun | in pbuilder? | 05:25 |
| jani | nope | 05:25 |
| jani | is the check wrong? | 05:26 |
| crimsun | chroot or on your system? | 05:26 |
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| diamond | morning. | 05:26 |
| jani | my system | 05:26 |
| crimsun | I believe the check is wrong; it's looking for libxfcegui4-1.0 when it should be looking for libxfcegui4-3 | 05:26 |
| jani | but libxfcegui4-1.0 is the name of the .pc file | 05:27 |
| Mithrandir | the check is correct. | 05:27 |
| crimsun | I thought configure prints out the binary name, not the .pc file | 05:27 |
| crimsun | gah, /me apt-gets source | 05:27 |
| jani | yes it confised me too | 05:28 |
| koke | hey, some days ago I fixed usbview, but I'm not sure if I used the best method | 05:28 |
| koke | http://www.amedias.org/~koke/misc/usbview_1.0-6_to_1.0-6ubuntu1.diff | 05:28 |
| koke | give me your opinions | 05:28 |
| koke | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/u/usbview/1.0-6/usbview_1.0-6_20050328-0655-powerpc-failed | 05:28 |
| lamont | configure.in:4: your implementation of AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE comes from an | 05:30 |
| lamont | configure.in:4: old Automake version. You should recreate aclocal.m4 | 05:30 |
| lamont | autocrap version issue | 05:30 |
| Mithrandir | you probably want to build-dep on automake-1.7 or something | 05:30 |
| Mithrandir | else, you get 1.4, which is ancient. | 05:31 |
| lamont | Mithrandir: automaken gets you 1.8, automake gets you whatever apt decides to give you, prolly 1.4 | 05:32 |
| jani | so we should add automake explicitely to the build-deps?it's not there currently is it a build-essential? | 05:35 |
| HostingGeek | f-spot doesn't have an menu image or is it just me? | 05:35 |
| crimsun | jani: testing a workaround for mousepad | 05:36 |
| jani | ok | 05:36 |
| HostingGeek | ? | 05:44 |
| koke | HostingGeek: you mean a icon in the gnome menu?? | 05:44 |
| HostingGeek | koke: yes | 05:45 |
| tseng | it does for me | 05:46 |
| koke | me too | 05:47 |
| HostingGeek | tseng: not for me... ;( | 05:47 |
| tseng | well you're a tool | 05:47 |
| tseng | so dunno what to tell ya. | 05:47 |
| HostingGeek | i got that default icon for anything missing an icon | 05:47 |
| koke | HostingGeek: which version of f-spot?? | 05:51 |
| Amaranth | HostingGeek: blam! showed up without an icon for me too until i started a new session | 05:51 |
| Amaranth | HostingGeek: log out then back in | 05:52 |
| koke | http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/f-spot/0.0/f-spot-0.0.10.changes | 05:52 |
| koke | we are in 0.0.12 now | 05:52 |
| koke | the icon has been there for a long time | 05:53 |
| Amaranth | * f-spot.desktop.in.in: add file for .desktop menu-spec support | 05:54 |
| Amaranth | i think he is saying the entry is there but the icon for it isn't | 05:54 |
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| crimsun | jani: not sure regarding mousepad, and I'm pressed for time atm. I'll work on the menu problem this afternoon. | 06:47 |
| jani | ok I'll look at mousead then | 06:47 |
| crimsun | great, thanks | 06:47 |
| jani | same here :) | 06:47 |
| koke | http://www.amedias.org/~koke/misc/usbview_1.0-6_to_1.0-6ubuntu1.diff <-- this looks better ?? | 06:51 |
| koke | package is at http://www.amedias.org/~koke/debian/hoary/ if anyone wants to upload | 06:52 |
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| jani | lamont can you kick xterminal please? | 06:57 |
| jani | if kicking means trigger a new build that is :) | 06:57 |
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| herve | heya! | 07:08 |
| dholbach | hey herve | 07:09 |
| diamond | laters | 07:11 |
| lamont | jani: enough people use 'kick' with enough different meanings that I really take it to mean 'go check on this package and make it try again' | 07:19 |
| jani | I just heard dit thrown around | 07:19 |
| lamont | would be nicer if people said give back foo, pretend foo is available, clear the dep-wait for foo, etc./ | 07:20 |
| lamont | jani: exactly. | 07:20 |
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| lamont | and the way it's being used in this channel, it means any one of the 3 things I just said | 07:20 |
| jani | so if you do not make it explicitely when would a rebuild take place? | 07:21 |
| Mithrandir | lamont: I think people often just see "hasn't built yet" and doesn't know whether it's dep-wait or something else. | 07:21 |
| lamont | right | 07:21 |
| jani | xterminal depended on libexo and failed to find it but now libexo is in | 07:22 |
| lamont | I haven't insisted on precise terminology here, just bitched about it. :) | 07:22 |
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| lamont | jani: build depends are broken: checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool | 07:35 |
| jani | xterminal? | 07:35 |
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| lamont | jani: yes | 07:35 |
| lamont | needs an explict build-dep on libxml-parser-perl, and possibly a bug filed with debian | 07:36 |
| lamont | if they didn't already fix that | 07:36 |
| jani | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/x/xterminal/0.2.4-1/xterminal_0.2.4-1_20050402-0625-i386-failed | 07:36 |
| jani | is this the link? | 07:36 |
| jani | oh I see other archs are ahead of i386 | 07:37 |
| jani | I'll look at fixing it | 07:37 |
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| lamont | janc: it's still needs-build on i386. building (==failed?) on the other 3 | 07:38 |
| lamont | hrm.. python-kde3 probably needs python2.4 love | 07:39 |
| lamont | s/janc:/jani/ | 07:39 |
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| jani | aha so needs-build means it is waiting for build-deps? | 07:41 |
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| koke_shower | have to go | 07:47 |
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| lamont | jani: needs-build means that it's waiting for a free buildd | 08:59 |
| lamont | dep-wait means that it's waiting for build-deps to be in the archive | 09:00 |
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| jani | ok thanks, and where do you see in which state is a certain package | 09:00 |
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| Riddell | did anything come of the idea to have updates to hoary? (like point gnome and kde releases?) | 10:14 |
| dholbach | Riddell: i'm quite sure the opinion is "release is release" | 10:15 |
| herve | I remember something like that too | 10:15 |
| Riddell | dholbach: I definatly mind reading some idea for an ubuntu-updates repository | 10:15 |
| dholbach | it exists, but it was for critical stuff only IIRC | 10:16 |
| Riddell | security of course | 10:16 |
| dholbach | hrm | 10:17 |
| dholbach | well, ask mdz/jdub, they will know for sure | 10:17 |
| Riddell | hmm yes | 10:17 |
| herve | ho good | 10:19 |
| herve | a source package wih {arch} and .arch-ids | 10:19 |
| herve | woohoo... | 10:19 |
| dholbach | herve: you never saw apt-get.org-packges :-) | 10:20 |
| herve | you're supposed to motivate me to work on this, not afraid me! | 10:22 |
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| herve | "install: cannot change owner and/or group of `debian/archway': Operation not permitted | 10:22 |
| herve | " | 10:22 |
| herve | it needs to install -o root -g root | 10:22 |
| herve | am I supposed to run debuild as real root... | 10:23 |
| dholbach | *argl* | 10:23 |
| herve | I understand its point of view | 10:27 |
| herve | but I thought dpkg was doing this at install time | 10:27 |
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| dholbach | enough apt-get.org for today | 11:49 |
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