=== minghua [~minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [~minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === koke [~koke@rm-001-26.serve.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:49] good night [12:49] night daniel === Mithrandir waves to dholbach [12:53] bye crimsun, Mithrandir [12:55] thats awfully early for him [12:56] yep, he has to help a friend moving [12:56] anybody else seriously annoyed by the new "feature" of nautilus? [12:57] no === ogra is very happy with it [12:57] what feature is that [12:58] tseng, left and middlebutton behavior changed in nautilus [12:58] if you mean closing the parent window [12:58] it bugs the sh** out of me [12:58] I thought he meant the auto-closing of parent [12:58] how do i change it back [12:58] it has a gconf key [12:58] see nautilus hangelog [12:58] * debian/patches/02_ubuntuspatial.patch: [12:58] - changes to the spatial mode. Close the folders by default while browsing. [12:58] You can set "/apps/nautilus/preferences/no_ubuntu_spatial" to get the [12:58] previous spatial behaviour. [12:58] eek, sorry about that [12:58] why in the world would we do that [12:59] tseng, sabdfls word ;) [12:59] UGH [12:59] ugh === motaboy [~motaboy@host168-41.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:59] gconf key> [12:59] ? [12:59] whose idea of crazy was that? (Yes i know it was marks) [01:00] Burgundavia, i like it...like i said :) if you dont, just switch it back [01:00] ok [01:01] -devel or just ubuntu for a discussion on it? [01:01] it makes sense to say "just switch it" for a theme or a wallpaper [01:01] this is a little more buh, its buried deep in gconf [01:01] tseng: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8516 [01:01] read that [01:01] and, at the last second i should note [01:03] tseng, thats not last second.... [01:03] last week? [01:03] almost last second [01:03] wait until release day ;) [01:04] working to package libapache2-mod-ldap-userdir. we've got 1.1.4, debian has 1.1.7. For something like this (mostly minor bug fixes, but does fix the build problem), should I just package up the newer version? [01:04] clearlooks was pulled in 1h before preview....thats last minute [01:04] that was also preview. [01:04] and it also made sense [01:04] i think the nautilus change makes a lot of sense for newbies [01:05] i dont [01:05] i also don't [01:05] i think windows jumping around like babies on crack, and the old one disappearing will confuse newbies silly [01:05] it makes "swimming up the tree" very difficult [01:05] w00t?!? [01:05] spatial is great! [01:05] you need to be familiar with the old spacial behaviour before you have any fucking clue what is happening at all [01:06] if you wanted to be friendly to people coming from windows, you would give them browser mode [01:06] now, the old spatial wasn't really that must better with it barfing screens all over the place [01:06] well, once you realize that every window is spatial [01:06] how is the "new" mode?? [01:07] koke: its like doing shift+click [01:07] swapped middle and leftclick [01:07] koke: the new window opens, and the old one closes [01:07] hummm, not as bad [01:07] (I admit I've not used nautilus in some time) === thoreauputic [~debianarc@wolax7-014.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:08] middle clicks and gconf keys are really not discoverable [01:08] that was my major beef [01:08] absolutely they arent. [01:08] tseng: talking about windows user, IIRC win98 default behaviour was like "old" spatial [01:08] sabdfl: what is the rationale for this nautilus change please? [01:08] koke: windows 95 [01:08] koke: that was windows 95 [01:09] it's now 10 years later :) [01:09] koke: was psuedo-spatial [01:09] in fact, it was window-per-folder, not spatial at all [01:09] that said, i hate all file managers. none really feel comfortable to use [01:09] spatial includes remembering windows size and position [01:09] every window relates in a 1 to 1 with an object [01:09] folder, file, what have you [01:09] and it has its own properties which are persistant [01:09] oh, my mind try to remove those remembrances :) [01:10] windows did none of those. [01:11] i can see the threads on osnews now [01:12] "i tried ubuntu but it sucks because windows pop up at random omglolbbq [01:12] would you find useful an options in nautilus preferences dialog to set the behaviour?? [01:12] i think you mistyped o*ne*s [01:12] I want to be an option [01:12] just not the default one [01:12] i would find it less offensive if it had a preference [01:13] and not having it an option to turn off in the GUI means that it should never ever have been considered [01:13] but i still dont understand it at all [01:13] its not spatial or browser, its broken for everyone [01:13] except ogra. [01:13] :) [01:13] tseng: have you added your comments to 8516? [01:13] yes [01:13] but not at length [01:14] since sabdfl isnt even cc'd [01:14] and the bug is closed [01:14] tseng, the alternative for me would be a broken shift key, since i used it a lot.... [01:14] what is his email? [01:14] I will add it to the cc [01:14] Burgundavia, he wrote to the ML [01:14] ok [01:14] very recently [01:14] which one? [01:15] apt-get org for example [01:15] sorry [01:15] duh [01:15] I read that as he had written something about this to an ML [01:15] no, for the mail address :) [01:16] hmm [01:16] mark@canonical won't take in bugzilla [01:17] he might not even be signed up [01:17] he is not directly involved in development [01:17] he is in bugzilla [01:17] Burgundavia: just type mark and you'll get a list of choiced. [01:17] but under something else then [01:17] uhm, choices === jani just changed dch to add ubuntu automatically [01:23] which should be the text for the preference?? [01:24] "C_lose folder when opening a children" ?? [01:24] close folder when opening a subfolder [01:25] previous folder?? [01:25] close previous folder when opening a subfolder? [01:25] yep [01:25] that could work [01:25] is this going in asap? [01:25] goodnight all [01:25] which is exactly the gconf preference?? === jani [~pet@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:26] true == old behaviour, or true == new behaviour?? [01:26] Burgundavia: only if I'm able to hack nautilus :) [01:26] ok [01:27] I would say, from a usablity perspective, that is should be unchecked [01:27] change the backend to suit that [01:27] thus checked== close parent [01:28] (the current and rather dumb default behaviour) === Duck_busy [duck@orfeo.duckcorp.org] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:41] ogra: ping === diamond [~diamond@194.46.78.95] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:41] lo folks [01:41] Burgundavia, pong [01:41] ogra: do you drag and drop files between folders? [01:42] Burgundavia, mostly only from the desktop to folders [01:42] ok [01:42] just wondering [01:42] or the other way around.... [01:42] I just realized how often I do it [01:42] and how borked the new scheme is for that [01:43] /msg nickserv link diamond 9639365 [01:43] oh nice [01:43] very nice === diamond_ hangs head [01:44] anyway.... i have a question, dredg uploaded a package for me earlier (http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/s/snacc/1.3bbn-5.1ubuntu2/), === Amaranth ghosts [01:44] but it doesn't build. however, that version isn't avialable in apt, [01:44] nice password [01:45] when fixing the package, should i incement the version to ubuntu3? [01:45] steve you chump :) [01:45] yes [01:45] dredg: right [01:45] bump the version [01:46] the old files from earlier are still in the archive. reuploading is bad, wrong and bad [01:46] diamond: that _source_ isn't in the archive? [01:46] dredg: uploading new files with the same version will just get rejected... [01:46] lamont: ' apt-cache showsrc snacc' shows ubuntu1 [01:46] lamont: yeah, been there. [01:47] * snacc_1.3bbn-5.1ubuntu2.diff.gz [01:47] * snacc_1.3bbn-5.1ubuntu2.dsc [01:47] * snacc_1.3bbn.orig.tar.gz [01:47] that'd be ubuntu2 in the archive... [01:47] diamond: hence your mirror is out of date, or you haven't said 'apt-get update' in a while [01:47] lamont: right, probably the latter, so my bad [01:48] i'll just be very quiet now -) [01:49] heh === bradb [~bradb@modemcable087.14-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === koke building nautilus with new patch... [01:56] what a clean code! it's sooo easy to hack it :) [02:03] lamont: ah. i am vindicated! t'was my mirror. they probably only sync every 6 hours or someat. 'bout time it wasn't my fault for something -) [02:04] heh [02:04] (at least i just did an update, and still ubuntu1) [02:04] diamond: what mirror? [02:04] dredg: heanet [02:04] hmm [02:05] esat is out of sync too [02:06] ah [02:06] @ERROR: max connections (15) reached - try again later [02:06] that's in the heanet log [02:07] if anyone has time, I could use a review (libapache2-mod-ldap-userdir): http://thorin.battleaxe.net/~stone/hoary/ [02:12] Burgundavia: I got it!!! :D [02:12] koke: ? [02:12] the patch works? [02:12] the nautilus patch [02:12] cool [02:12] yeah, it works :D [02:12] but has a bug [02:12] now we can stop this insanity by offering the option [02:13] bug? [02:13] well, the bug was really for seb128's patch [02:13] in the new behaviour [02:13] ah [02:13] what is the bug? [02:13] if you open the parent window (Alt+Up), the current one keeps open [02:14] I see [02:14] got that too [02:14] not a major bug though [02:20] ugh @ monodoc [02:20] right. sleeping time. nite folks === Vollstrecker [~werner@p54AB3B87.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:48] Hi all. [02:48] salut [02:48] Why has libcurl3 such an old version? [02:49] In debian sarge is 7.13.1 I have an amule pkg for sarge, and the ubuntu of my tester can't install it because of the too old version. [02:51] hi all [02:52] libcurl3 in hoary? [02:52] pe7er knows what he uses. He told me. [02:52] 7.13.1 would have been uploaded after the upstream version freeze [02:53] it appears to be in main, not universe [02:53] I don't know, I use only sarge. [02:53] ajmitch: is in main [02:54] yep, 7.13.0-1 has a changelog entry of 5th Feb, well after UVF [02:54] 7.13.1 is required. [02:54] https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8088 [02:55] Vollstrecker: we can't do anything about packages in main here [02:55] and I don't think there'd be much chance of a change at this late stage in the release cycle, sorry [02:56] ajmitch: and it takes an act of god, pretty much, to change libraries in main less than a week before release [02:56] it'll be in breezy once that opens, though... :) [02:56] lamont: or sabdfl :) [02:56] god == mdz [02:56] I have no prob with this, but it would be nice, that ubuntu users could have easy to update cvs snaps of amule. [02:56] the archangel == jdub [02:57] I thought ubuntu is based on sid, how can they have older versions than in sarge? [02:57] this late in the game, even sabdfl at least listens to mdz [02:58] because ubuntu tracks sid up until upstream version freeze, and then doesn't grab any new packages automatically [02:58] sarge is still unfrozen apart from base, so packages can migrate into testing [02:58] When is your freeze? [02:58] Or release [02:59] release is in a week [02:59] And then came new pkg's [02:59] ? [03:03] once it is reopened [03:09] FUCK YEAH MUINE [03:09] ? [03:09] im not sure if these packages are good enough to release [03:09] but they work === arzajac [~arzajac@modemcable201.119-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:23] Hello. Is there anyone here? [03:31] sure, what's up? === arzajac [~arzajac@modemcable201.119-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:09] There is a bug in sl-modem-source [04:10] It would be really easy to fix it and make sl-modem-modules. Would this be possible for Hoary? [04:11] what's the bug? [04:12] http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-March/006183.html [04:12] Basically, it makes modules for debian using kernel-headers. [04:12] It can be changed to linux-headers. [04:13] hmm [04:13] Is it too late for this. Can the sl-modem-modules package be introduced? [04:13] there should not be a sl-modem-modules* package. [04:13] Why? [04:13] that's created by the user by compiling from sl-modem-source. [04:14] sl-modem-modules is replaced by sl-modem-modules-new [04:14] Yes, but then the user must download module-assistant and the sl-modem-source. It would be easier to just make the modules for the user. [04:15] that's only done for ubuntu-maintainable ones, i.e. in 'main' [04:15] I am quite active on the forums. I would assume that this represents about 35-50 per cent of all winmodems in North-America. [04:16] ...Judging from the amount of questions on this. Also, this driver can be used with most AC97 codec modems, That is significant. [04:16] Because Universi is not updated [04:17] Because Universe is not updated/maintained after release? [04:17] universe is frozen for Hoary when Hoary releases and unfrozen for Breezy as soon as it opens [04:18] I think the Depends needs to be changed, yes. [04:18] So modules made today would become obsolete and not be updated. Is there any way to put the modules elsewhere? [04:18] kernel-image-_KVERS_ | linux-image-_KVERS_ should suffice [04:18] Right. At least the packages generated would work. [04:19] I should have caught that last time around. [04:19] I should have notified you six months ago when the first complaints came in on the forums. [04:19] well, I was asked yesterday to modify a different field in debian/control, which I did, but I didn't check the rest [04:20] The lucent modem drivers were added to restriced-modules. Any chance here? ( I know it is late!) [04:21] ...That would be a new feature... [04:21] And the modules are useless without the daemon. === bddebian [~bddebian@pcp08717087pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:23] essentially, you're asking if we can compile an sl-modem-modules-new-$arch for every linux-image-$arch ? [04:23] s/arch/uname -r/g [04:23] They only work on 386 AFAIK. [04:24] It is a precompiled binary from SmartLink. [04:24] yes, for each arch under i386 [04:24] Oh. Yes. [04:25] hmm. It's not my call (and I think this should be discussed in #ubuntu-kernel, too). [04:26] I understand. I am willing to help in any way. I only wish I had navigated the wiki sooner. [04:27] Is there any work a guy like me can do to help right now? [04:27] I'll go ahead and fix s/kernel/linux/g [04:27] but I don't feel it's wise to generate kernel modules for each arch under i386 without speaking with the rest of the kernel team [04:30] Okay. Thanks. I gotta go - the baby's crying.... [04:30] np. === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:37] hey robitaille [04:45] hi crimsun [04:47] Anyone feel like reviewing prj2make? http://thorin.battleaxe.net/~stone/hoary/ [04:51] oh geez, yeah, I should take a look at the ToDo [04:54] StoneTable: please put a link on MOTUTodo === Amaranth [~travis@amaranth.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:55] okay, will do :) [04:58] thanks. [05:43] howdy [05:43] howdy [05:46] Hello schweeb [05:47] howdy [05:47] ajmitch!! [05:47] bddebian!!!1one! [05:47] ajmitch: Hey, are you gonna get a different laptop or do you still want me to send you the memory and such?? [05:48] I'll get a different laptop [05:48] but not for quite a few months yet [05:48] maybe not till the end of the year, so feel free to send the RAM :) [05:49] Or do you want the whole laptop?? :-) [05:49] hah. that'd be nice :) [05:49] what is the laptop? [05:49] near-death? [05:52] No it's my old Dell. 650Mhz but needs a keyboard and the battery latch is broken so it falls out easily.. :-( [05:54] probably similar than the cdrom latch on the current one [05:54] it's a different model latitude, right? [05:54] Xfce 4.2.1.1 transition complete. === crimsun breathes a sigh of relief. [05:55] good work, crimsun :) [05:55] danke [05:55] jani did nearly all the plugins :) === ajmitch might have to take a look at xfce :) [05:56] as simple as apt-getting xfce4 :-) [05:57] ajmitch: Yeah it's a CPx but the keyboard in your CPi might fit [05:58] alright [05:59] Well there goes my Ubuntu box.. ;-P [06:02] heh, I couldn't take that off you.. [06:03] you need something for MOTU work ;) [06:03] Nah, that's OK. I have another laptop waiting in the wings at work. :-) [06:03] Bah, you know I'm worthless.. :-) === lamont gives back everything that was building, dep-wait, or failed, on all architectures. enjoyh [06:05] lamont: thanks :) [06:06] ajmitch: the biggest effect it will have is to cause things you're currently working on that are down the list a ways to not get built for an hour or 12. [06:06] not too much of a problem here, I think [06:07] OTOH, out-of-date things (older version is in the archive) are built first [06:19] man, some people really reacted pretty strongly to the Ubuntu login prank. I thought it was hilarious (man, I didn't think mdz was that young) [06:20] yeh i thought it was pretty funny [06:21] someone claiming his computer had been raped ;) [06:21] I got to work, started my PC up, and cracked up [06:21] heh [06:21] so who was in it [06:21] and then there was the whole Fleck thing [06:21] I laughed for a good 3 hours straight this morning [06:22] Lathiat: top is elmo (ftp-master and admin), right is sabdfl (shuttleworth), left is mdz [06:23] ah cool [06:24] http://www.whiprush.org/2005/04/back_to_solaris.html <- haha [06:24] " The other, more popular theory is that the user merely starved to death waiting for Netbeans 4 to launch on the Sun machines." [06:24] yea [06:24] I was at the bar with whip earlier [06:24] he was still wearing the Sun shirt [06:24] lol [06:25] heh === lamont tries to understand the 0-25, 25-50, 50-75, ... on UniversePriorityList [06:39] lamont: well, the percentages are a bit off now, since some packages have been knocked out already [06:39] and by a bit, I mean a lot [06:39] yeah, but % of what? [06:39] the original list [06:39] ?? [06:39] percent of the distance down the list? [06:40] yes [06:40] oj [06:40] ok even [06:40] they were ordered by popcon [06:40] and then divided by distance [06:41] hence making it easier to accomplish a goal of fixing the top 25% of packages according to popcon [06:53] " [06:53] I've added links to the corresponding directories for all hoary packages [06:53] now. [06:53] " [06:54] http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/gnome/muine [07:07] by request :) [07:08] oh excellent, higgs is back [07:08] and taylored to ubuntu. [07:08] yep [07:08] we asked him to add links to build logs [07:09] yeah, that rocks [07:10] indeed === Usiu [~Usiu@ursus.spray.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:36] Hi, I get compilation error 48:38: X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h: No such file or directory and I have libxext-dev instaled what's more the file doesnt contain that header... [07:36] libxss-dev [07:37] schweeb, thx [07:38] no problem [07:38] schweeb, is it ubuntu specyfic or it's as on debian ? [07:38] I've run into that problem before, myself :) [07:38] can't remember. [07:38] use packages.debian.org to check [07:39] schweeb, I moved to ubuntu but I want still to maintain unofficial debian packages.. I have a sponsor now.. [07:39] Usiu: use a pbuilder chroot with unstable [07:39] ^^^^ [07:40] tseng, yes.. I always use it for building for sid/sarge [07:40] well then [07:40] that will verify your deps by force === pe7er [~losof@pD954E79F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [~doko___@dsl-082-082-197-199.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hsprang [~henning@p508A1A5A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:43] good morning :) === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S01060004e220d70a.du.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [~daniel@td9091c9e.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:36] morning === encolpe [~encolpe@81.56.211.189] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:47] hello world :) [10:48] hey siretart [10:48] huhu dholbach [10:48] how are things going? [10:50] quite good... i should be helping a friend move, but he didnt tell me his adress, so i have some more time reviewing apt-get.org untill he tells me [10:50] :) [10:50] apart from that: the guys were pretty active in tackling build problems === siretart noticing dholbach skripts for universe priority list [10:50] :) [10:51] i'm really proud of everyone in #ubuntu-motu [10:51] :-) [10:51] :) [10:52] I finally managed to write my wiki page.. ;) [10:52] yes! :-) [10:52] is anything missing? [10:53] btw, is universe frozen for hoary? when does breezy start? [10:54] on your wiki page? [10:54] universe will not be frozen until hoary release [10:54] ah, ok [10:54] (april, 8th) [10:54] gladly [10:54] :-) [10:55] i guess breezy will start right after UDU, but i'm not sure at all [10:55] thing will be pretty bumpy after the auto-sync, i guess [10:55] your wiki page looks good to me [10:55] you could add a list of packages you fixed [10:55] wuuhu :) [10:55] ah, ok, will do.. [10:56]