[12:00] <delire> hmm
[12:00] <langenberg> shekhar_: gnome-2.10?
[12:00] <alitoch> hi delire, do you speak french ?
[12:00] <matheus> oh yes, all is ok !!!!!!! thank you a lot thoreauputic and delire
[12:00] <shekhar_> langenberg:  yes
[12:00] <alitoch> ('cause Delire is a french word)
[12:00] <roo_> langenberg, there are probably better distros available if pro support is what you need..?
[12:00] <thoreauputic> shekhar_: you need a menu editor - Amaranth wrote one, but I don't have the link handy
[12:00] <delire> matheus: anytime ;)
[12:00] <thoreauputic> matheus: :)
[12:00] <delire> alitoch: no sadly, not very well at all
[12:00] <cavediver> now i understand. All of a sudden my tv-out works and the right "virtual" desktop is displayed there. Nice ! However, how do I prevent applications from starting in that area ? Frustrating?
[12:00] <alitoch> I think it is deplorable the menu editor has been removed
[12:01] <alitoch> ok delire :)
[12:01] <langenberg> shekhar_: well, they removed the menu editor.
[12:01] <matheus> but , i've a last questio, what is the name of the french ubuntu channel ?
[12:01] <delire> alitoch: agreed, it's a widely felt complaint
[12:01] <alitoch> matheus -> ubuntu-fr*
[12:01] <shekhar_> langenberg:  is this just in hoary?
[12:01] <alitoch> without the star
[12:01] <WW> Hello, world.
[12:01] <roo_> shekhar_, get this: http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/menueditor_0.4.3ubuntu1_all.deb
[12:01] <matheus> thank you alitoch
[12:01] <alitoch> yep delire, and the one in the Warthy was very cool
[12:01] <roo_> shekhar_, then in a console type "dpkg -i menueditor_0.4.3ubuntu1_all.deb"
[12:01] <alitoch> it was very well built
[12:01] <roo_> shekhar_, then "menu-editor" should give u a menu-editor.
[12:01] <shekhar_> roo_:  cheers
[12:02] <WW> Is there a GUI way to unmount a CD that was auto-mounted when I put it in the drive? I'm using warty.
[12:02] <langenberg> roo_: It's a small company so it doesn't really matters, but it would be nice if there was a possibility.
[12:02] <alitoch> shekhar_> to run it, don't use menueditor but menu-editor command in the console
[12:02] <accuser> WW: right click, eject?
[12:02] <roo_> WW, right click on the desktop icon for the Cd > ejeect?
[12:02] <Exiton> Ok, First my introduction.  I'm a first time linux and ubuntu user.  I installed the latest RC of 5.04 onto my IBM thinkpad T42 and everything was working well except wireless networking.  So I changed the computers name under the network settings and then the trouble started.   When it boots up, first their is an error on startup "Could not look up internet address"  Now the network setting will not even load for me too change.  Doing a 
[12:02] <WW> accuser: Right, but I don't want to eject, just unmount.
[12:02] <thoreauputic> WW: that option is there too
[12:03] <matheus> ubuntu-fr doesn't exist !!!
[12:03] <langenberg> Altough I think that ubuntu will fit perfectly on a company's pc. It's relatively small isn't it? (compared to Fedora Core and Mandrake).
[12:03] <thoreauputic> WW: in the right click menu
[12:03] <roo_> WW, uurrr.. right.. can click "Unmount Volume" too, i think... (!)
[12:03] <alitoch> matheus, u speak french ?
[12:03] <matheus> yes
[12:03] <alitoch> ok, alors vas sur le site suivant : www.ubuntu-fr.org, je crois que l'adresse du canal IRC ainsi que son serveur sont dessus
[12:03] <alitoch> I come back soon
[12:03] <matheus> ok merci
[12:03] <thoreauputic> matheus: tu a besoin de #ubuntu-fr
[12:04] <matheus> comment ca ?
[12:04] <WW> thoreauputic, roo_: I may be blind, but I don't see an unmount option when I right-click the icon.
[12:04] <Burgundavia> langenberg: to a certain extent yes
[12:04] <thoreauputic> pas simplement ubuntu-fr mais  #ubuntu-fr
[12:04] <roo_> WW, you might be blind but i cant check cos I dont run Gnome atm, thoreauputic ?
[12:04] <matheus> ok, avec le # devant, merci
[12:05] <OO-Dragon> Yo yo
[12:05] <thoreauputic> matheus: pas de quoi :)
[12:05] <OO-Dragon> Can some one help me get codecs for the new ubuntu? so i can play mp3/mpg/divx etc
[12:05] <OO-Dragon> ?
[12:05] <carlos-d-man> what program do I need to install a new program?
[12:05] <accuser> WW: no unmount in the menu - you will need to do this by hand from the console
[12:06] <Exiton> Carlos:  I think just "apt-get programname"
[12:06] <langenberg> Burgundavia: by any change, do you know if ubuntu can be installed remotely?
[12:06] <matheus> bon ben merci tout le monde, et bonne nuit - thank you to everybody and good night !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:06] <carlos-d-man> I sorta asked the same thing as OO-Dragon, prefferably GUI based he
[12:06] <roo_> OO-Dragon, http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:06] <roo_> see ya matheus
[12:06] <WW> accuser: OK, that's what I've been doing.
[12:06] <libben> why does it say this all time...
[12:06] <libben> Some of the packages could not be retrieved from the server(s).
[12:06] <libben> Do you want to continue, ignoring these packages?
[12:06] <thoreauputic> WW: at the bottom of the menu, from right click of the desktop icon that appears when you mount
[12:07] <shekhar_> langenberg , roo_ , alitoch : thanks for your help, i got menu editor installed -- why isn't this in gnome 2.1?!
[12:07] <roo_> WW, you could create a small script to do it, then create a desktop/panel launcher to run the unmount-cd-script ?
[12:07] <WW> thoreauputic: The last two items in the right-click menu are Properties and Eject.
[12:07] <roo_> shekhar_, $64,000 question ;)
[12:07] <thoreauputic> WW: is this  Hoary?
[12:07] <OO-Dragon> Thanks
[12:07] <roo_> thoreauputic, Warty i think
[12:07] <WW> thoreauputic: No, warty (^)
[12:07] <accuser> roo_: for $64,000 i'd write you menu editor
[12:08] <alitoch> shekhar_> you're welcome
[12:08] <carlos-d-man> ok if I don't know the name of a package, how may I look for it?
[12:08] <thoreauputic> well, I have a umount option for hard disks/partitions - I'll check CD
[12:08] <Exiton> Hey, what is suppose to be in your /etc/hosts file?
[12:08] <roo_> accuser, ha! clearly 48979832 gnome users shouting "W.T.F" is not enough for gnome-dev :s
[12:08] <langenberg> shekhar_: I believe they are re-organising the menu. They are going to replace it with a menu-editor that works a bit 'smarter'. It's under contstruction, but if you ask me, they should've shipped the original one.
[12:08] <Exiton> mine is blank and think that is causing my error
[12:08] <accuser> roo_: lol
[12:08] <Burgundavia> langenberg: what do you mean remotely?
[12:09] <carlos-d-man> ok if I don't know the name of a package, how may I look for it? ie, to install dhcpd server I must know dhcpd3-server, how may I come to that conclusion with other programs?
[12:09] <libben> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python-defaults/python-minimal_2.4.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[12:09] <libben>   404 Not Found
[12:09] <thoreauputic> WW: indeed, no umount option for CD :(
[12:09] <roo_> Exiton, http://pastebin.com/265862
[12:09] <langenberg> Burgundavia: Well with gentoo, I can install it completely form a ssh session.
[12:09] <roo_> Exiton, thats mine, if it helps
[12:09] <alitoch> langenberg> I don't think so, that they're going to put it back, as they removed it for organization reasons
[12:09] <Burgundavia> langenberg: I think you can, but I haven't done it or seen it done
[12:09] <alitoch> I read some sites and newsgroups topics about this
[12:10] <libben> cant get this to work.. someone hand me out a source.list that is good... =) i have universe in mine i think also
[12:10] <WW> thoreauputic: Ah well, I'll survive.  Thanks for checking!
[12:10] <thoreauputic> WW: no worries - why exactly do you need to umount without ejecting?
[12:10] <thoreauputic> just curious...
[12:10] <roo_> langenberg, i believe it can. Ubuntu uses an installer based on the debian installer, google for features of the debian installer. im sure console based-over ssh is possible.
[12:10] <WW> thoreauputic: So I can run Sound Juice and rip the CD.
[12:10] <lunitik> libben: 'deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse'
[12:11] <mcphail> WW: if you write a small script to unmount it, put it in ~/gnome2/nautilus-scripts and it will be added to the right-click menu
[12:11] <alitoch> WW> in the worst case, u can still make a Bash script to do this
[12:11] <thoreauputic> WW: but audio CDs don't mount anyway??
[12:11] <langenberg> Burgundavia: well there is this small company that's going to switch to GNU/Linux. There are only three workstations to setup, but it would be nice to know if it's scalable to use ubuntu for it.
[12:11] <Exiton> Thanks roo_
[12:11] <Exiton> :)
[12:11] <folta> hey all, how can i check that the nvidia graphics driver is running?
[12:11] <roo_> Exiton, working?
[12:11] <WW> thoreauputic: Normally they don't automount, but this one must also have some other multimedia stuff on it.
[12:12] <roo_> Exiton, i missed what ur problem even was :/
[12:12] <langenberg> folta: run glxgears
[12:12] <alitoch> mcphail> interesting, but if you want this tip to work for all users, do you have to copy the script in each /home/user/gnome2/nautilus-scripts ?
[12:12] <thoreauputic> WW: I see , OK :)
[12:12] <langenberg> folta: you'll notice.
[12:12] <roo_> folta, glxinfo ?
[12:12] <Exiton> Gnome can't load my hosts, so my network and root terminal are giving me errors.
[12:12] <thoreauputic> folta:  lsmod
[12:12] <roo_> Exiton, ah, make sure u "sudo" edit /etc/hosts ;)
[12:12] <mcphail> alitoch: yes. Or sim-link
[12:12] <DXT> Hi, does ubuntu have a graphical (preferebly for gtk/gnome) app for manipulating system services?
[12:13] <theine> langenberg: have a look at dbootstrap
[12:13] <folta> yeah, there's definitely something up... i get these xlib errors saying GLX extension missing on display :0.0
[12:13] <langenberg> theine: No I haven't, can you give me a short summary of what it is?
[12:13] <WW> mcphail, alitoch: Thanks for the suggestion.  I may do that, but this doesn't happen very often...
[12:14] <alitoch> mcphail> by sim-link you mean use the ln -s command ?
[12:14] <roo_> folta, nv drivers arent loaded then :(
[12:14] <mcphail> yes
[12:14] <roo_> Exiton, let me know if u still have problems. Be sure to say my name so xchat bleeps at me :)
[12:14] <fragfutter> hi
[12:14] <libben> lunitik, http://www.pastebin.com/265867 that is my sources list... should i remove something?
[12:14] <theine> langenberg: I'm looking right now... I once installed debian via console from within a gentoo system but I don't remember the details
[12:14] <folta> but lsmod shows nvidia as an installed driver
[12:15] <alitoch> ok mcphails, so it remains the same thing, copying the file...
[12:15] <alitoch> except it's a link instead of a "real" file
[12:15] <lunitik> libben: looks fine to me... what issue are you having?
[12:15] <sean13> hey, I just messed up X in hoary can anyone help me?
[12:15] <folta> is the driver i want to look for called nvidia or nv or...?
[12:15] <langenberg> theine: I see. Well, I'm also quite new to gentoo, but using gentoo on workstations in a company doesn't seems like a very good idea to me.
[12:16] <theine> langenberg: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/admin/debootstrap
[12:16] <sean13> I changed graphics cards and now it X wont load
[12:16] <fragfutter> i have trouble compiling a custom kernel. it fails after uncompressing the kernel and mounting the root-fs. "VFS: unable.... unknown-block(0,0)" i have no idea what i missed to compile into the kernel. Or is there anything special for ubuntu?
[12:16] <theine> langenberg: I think Ubuntu would be a very good idea
[12:16] <lunitik> sean13: very likely... but it would help if we knew what you did  :/
[12:16] <libben> well, im doing updates from the update notifier icon... and i cant get all updates..
[12:16] <lunitik> sean13: bah... what is the new card?
[12:16] <libben> it gives me wrong.. and tells me to do smartupgrade in synaptic
[12:16] <libben> i did that
[12:16] <libben> and still having problem
[12:16] <lunitik> libben: what does it say?
[12:16] <sean13> lunitik: nvidia
[12:16] <roo_> fragfutter, if you're compiling a custom kernel for ubu u should prolly read: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelHowto
[12:17] <mcphail> alitoch: the file is not copied. It just behaves as if it is. If the file is deleted in the original directory the link will break
[12:17] <libben> following package is not upgraded. linux-restricted-modules-386
[12:17] <libben> I had 10 earlier... that dit not got upgraded.
[12:17] <sean13> lunitik: It used to be an ATI RADEON 7200
[12:17] <libben> then i did smartupgrade with synapt
[12:17] <lunitik> sean13: bah... change 'driver' in section Video to 'nv' for now... then go read 'www.ubuntulinux.com/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:17] <langenberg> theine: I'll take a look at it as soon as i've emerged X and KDE (which can take quite a while, I'm so happy they've shipped the livecd with irssi :D)
[12:18] <sean13> lunitik: Thanks but how do I do that
[12:18] <lunitik> libben: apt-get install that package on its own
[12:18] <alitoch> mcphail> yes, I meant it was not a copied file but a link, but I still have to work on each user's home...
[12:18] <folta> ok, i ran nvidia-glx-config enable again, i'll see if that works
[12:18] <roo_> langenberg, i used gentoo for 18months until 2 weeks ago :)
[12:18] <theine> langenberg: any terminal browsers included as well?
[12:18] <mcphail> alitoch: yes
[12:18] <alitoch> I would have prefered to have a folder that behaves for all users
[12:18] <alitoch> ;)
[12:18] <langenberg> theine: yeah, but I don't like working with them.
[12:19] <alitoch> alors matheus, tu as trouv ubuntu-fr ?
[12:19] <black_Nightmare> hey there
[12:19] <lunitik> sean13: grr... in /etc/X11/xorg.conf... its actually Section "Device" ... but change the Driver setting to 'nv'...
[12:19] <theine> langenberg: me neither...
[12:19] <alitoch> hey black_Nightmare
[12:19] <langenberg> roo_: You've switched?
[12:19] <black_Nightmare> hey alitoch ;)
[12:19] <matheus> ou impec, mais ils dorment tous dessus
[12:19] <sean13> lunitik: ok, thanks a lot
[12:19] <alitoch> lol
[12:19] <black_Nightmare> so what you up to now alitoch? :p
[12:19] <roo_> langenberg, for now, yeah. i like what i see so far. im not a gnome user, but i love apt.
[12:19] <alitoch> Oh, I'd have a question, maybe quite stupid...
[12:19] <roo_> langenberg, and dpkg
[12:19] <matheus> vous savez ou on pourrait trouver une lib pour programmer en opengl en c++ ?
[12:20] <alitoch> I'm well, black_Nightmare, but nothing new in my Ubuntian world.. and you ?
[12:20] <black_Nightmare> lol alitoch and I'm the hell trying to figure something that should had been easy is seeming to be too difficult
[12:20] <theine> langenberg: "debootstrap is used to create a Debian base system from scratch, without requiring the availability of dpkg or apt. It does this by downloading .deb files from a mirror site, and carefully unpacking them into a directory which can eventually be chrooted into."
[12:20] <mcphail> alitoch: you could change each user's nautilus-scripts dir to a simlink to a central repository. Would still need one-time access to do this.
[12:20] <black_Nightmare> :p
[12:20] <matheus> pke g essay avec le synaptic mais il me renvoie des trus pour python ou ruby
[12:20] <alitoch> Dans quel langage matheus ?
[12:20] <matheus> en c++
[12:20] <matheus> voire c
[12:20] <matheus> mais bon
[12:20] <alitoch> mcphail> I'm afraid I'm not good enough to do such a thing :)
[12:20] <fragfutter> roo_: i don't want to use the kernel package building of debian/ubuntu and no initrd.
[12:20] <theine> langenberg: does that come close to what you're looking for?
[12:21] <alitoch> matheus> Bah tu as la librairie OpenGL pour le C++ !
[12:21] <alitoch> ou bien encore le moteur OGRE qui est trs intressant
[12:21] <langenberg> roo_: I've tried to use Debian(/Ubuntu) myself, but I was very used to slackware. I just hated the 'debian-way'.
[12:21] <matheus> cool, elle est ou ?
[12:21] <alitoch> cherche sur google matheus...
[12:21] <alitoch> so my question is...
[12:21] <matheus> je con pas OGRE
[12:21] <matheus> ok
[12:21] <langenberg> theine: yes thank you.
[12:22] <roo_> langenberg, i stil love portage, but apt is fast, and i need to be productive.
[12:22] <alitoch> I downloaded the latest release of Hoary some weeks ago, and have obviously my sources.list pointing on Hoary repositories
[12:22] <scott> why does ubuntu ask me to put the cd in when installing some packages? I want it to get it all from the net
[12:23] <alitoch> If I want to be on the final Hoary the 6th April, do I just need to do an apt-get dist-upgrade, or do I have to burn the CD of the final Hoary release and reinstall it ?
[12:23] <black_Nightmare> scott..I'm guessing you didn't accept installing the 700MB of cd packages to hd
[12:23] <maddler> scott... remove the CD from the repositories then...
[12:23] <roo_> scott, remove the Ubuntu CD from the repository list in Synaptic
[12:23] <thoreauputic> scott: you have a CD line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:23] <alitoch> I mean, will a dist-upgrade be exactly the same than an installation of the final release ?
[12:23] <langenberg> I'm getting some sleep, see ya guys!
[12:23] <lunitik> daniels: [SiS]  661FX/M661FX/M661MX/741/M741/760/M760 PCI/AGP  <-- wtf does all that mean? heh... I still haven't actually figured out which actually defines the driver  :(
[12:24] <scott> ahh, thanks
[12:24] <langenberg> And thanks for the info theine!
[12:24] <thoreauputic> alitoch: assuming you haven't any backports or 3rd party apps, yes
[12:24] <alitoch> black_Nightmare : lol alitoch and I'm the hell trying to figure something that should had been easy is seeming to be too difficult
[12:24] <alitoch> which thing ?
[12:24] <black_Nightmare> alitoch heh....ok since you ask....
[12:25] <alitoch> if it's personal you're not obliged to answer
[12:25] <black_Nightmare> a minimal kernel for a 68k powerbook [especially none of these ide/etc stuffs being even there and so on] 
[12:25] <alitoch> oh, it doesn't seem to be easy at all
[12:25] <DXT> I noticed that nautilus doesnt auto refresh on changes inside directories, how can I change that?
[12:25] <alitoch> Good luck black_Nightmare ^^
[12:25] <black_Nightmare> just one small 2.5" scsi hd, screen, several ports, trackball, and a disk drive .. nothing else at all
[12:26] <alitoch> oh, mcphails, i think I've understood the way to do the simlink to the central repository
[12:27] <libben> lunitik, W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386_2.6.10.3-8_i386.deb
[12:27] <libben>   404 Not Found
[12:27] <thoreauputic> DXT: hoary? if so, check that gamin is running I think
[12:27] <alitoch> I should create a /nautilus-scripts folder with my scripts inside and remove all the /home/someuser/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts folders to make a simlink linking to my /nautilus-scripts folder instead
[12:27] <libben> thats what it sez when i do it manually from synaptic
[12:27] <thoreauputic> DXT: on warty I think it would be fam
[12:27] <mcphail> alitoch: if you can be bothered...
[12:28] <grogoreo> does XSI work with Debaian/Ubuntu or anything other than Red Hat or SuSE?
[12:28] <alitoch> you think it's a too hard method ? Do you have something easier ?
[12:28] <Burgundavia> DXT: that is a bug they are working on fixing
[12:28] <black_Nightmare> eh alitoch..sometimes I wonder why asking for a barebone text prompt laptop is too much more difficult than just with the original os and leaving terminal fullscreen in the startup folder all the times [yeah never bothering with the gui that is running in the background...duh lol] 
[12:28] <Keizer> Can't have enough autobots
[12:28] <black_Nightmare> or in this case.. system 7.0 running and I never even bother with the gui at all except for special>shutdown command
[12:28] <Burgundavia> can people confirm a bug for me? double click on a SVG file in nautilus and see if it opens firefox?
[12:29] <alitoch> black_Nightmare> because the constructors are kind of glued to win OS, if we can call this an OS...
[12:29] <solidape> i'm having some trouble wit a mounted fat32-partition and international charachters.. it replaces them with ? and says invalid encoding.... any help?
[12:29] <lunitik> libben: 'echo linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386 hold | dpkg --set-selections'
[12:29] <alitoch> it's very sad.
[12:29] <lunitik> libben: then try again
[12:29] <lunitik> (the dist-upgrade... not the install of that package)
[12:30] <zepticon> anyone from Norway here?
[12:30] <DXT> Burgundavia: ok. and I use hoary
[12:30] <alitoch> solidape : try mount -t vfat -o uid=1000 (eventually replace with your user id number) /dev/hdax /mnt/win
[12:30] <^thehatsrule^> no... way ;p
[12:30] <lunitik> libben: of course... if you have nvidia or ati drivers etc... thats a bad idea
[12:30] <delire> lunitik: hehe that's a funny way of doing it..
[12:30] <Burgundavia> DXT: can you confirm that bug for me?
[12:30] <lunitik> delire: how so?
[12:30] <libben> lunitik, ?
[12:30] <libben> i have nvidia =) geforce 4800
[12:30] <libben> so i shouldent do anything of this?
[12:31] <DXT> that it ain't auto refreshing, Burgundavia? Yes.
[12:31] <solidape> i'm having some trouble wit a mounted fat32-partition and international charachters.. it replaces them with ? and says invalid encoding.... any help?
[12:31] <lunitik> libben: ahh... then don't do that... l-r-m contains your nvidia drivers...
[12:31] <alitoch> doesn't anybody have an answer for my question about an apt-get dist-upgrade or a reinstallation to have my Ubuntu Hoary Test Release upgraded to the Final Release for the 6th April ?
[12:31] <delire> lunitik: using the pipe instead of a dpkg argument in a linear fashion. it's ok, mind you, works perfectly well ;)
[12:31] <Burgundavia> alitoch: you should just be able to dist-upgrade
[12:31] <Burgundavia> alitoch: apt is quite smart that way
[12:31] <solidape> i'm having some trouble with a mounted fat32-partition and international characters.. it replaces them with ? and says "invalid encoding".... any help?
[12:31] <Tjdw> I'm having problems with dist-upgrade
[12:31] <alitoch> I know Burgundavia, but I'm not sure it gives the same result than a reinstallation from a CD
[12:32] <Telep> solidape: you'll need to add "utf8" to the options in fstab
[12:32] <Burgundavia> alitoch: it should
[12:32] <crimsun> alitoch: it will.
[12:32] <thoreauputic> alitoch: <thoreauputic> alitoch: assuming you haven't any backports or 3rd party apps, yes
[12:32] <lunitik> delire: eh... thats the way apt recommends (from #kde/#debian/etc
[12:32] <lunitik> )
[12:32] <alitoch> when I tried to put my repositories to hoary when I was under Warty I didn't have the same result at all than when I installed Hoary from a CD...
[12:32] <crimsun> alitoch: aside from any customisations you've made.
[12:32] <alitoch> Although I did everything in the way it had to : apt-get dist-upgrade and all and all
[12:32] <Burgundavia> alitoch: what was different?
[12:32] <delire> lunitik: sure..
[12:33] <Burgundavia> alitoch: there are a few things that you might need to do
[12:33] <alitoch> crimsun & Burgundavia > the graphics were different (didn't have the new themes), Gnome was not upgraded to 2.10, and many things...
[12:33] <lunitik> delire: dpkg --set-selections pkgname hold never worked here... so yeah... I just go with what apt says  :)
[12:33] <delire> lunitik: hah, weird. works for me..
[12:33] <Burgundavia> alitoch: if you heavily customized your box, then apt won't overwrite certain things
[12:34] <Tjdw> can I do a CD reinstall and preserve my files?
[12:34] <zepticon> hi... can soeone help me install Opera?
[12:34] <Tjdw> because I'm having major issues with apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:34] <lunitik> zepticon: no
[12:34] <zepticon> ?
[12:34] <^thehatsrule^> whats dist-upgrade?
[12:34] <lunitik> zepticon: enless you paid for support from them? in which case, call them
[12:34] <Burgundavia> zepticon: what is going wrong?
[12:34] <Burgundavia> lunitik: please remember the Ubuntu CoC
[12:35] <thoreauputic> zepticon: some people here might have a philosophical issue with opera :)
[12:35] <lunitik> ^thehatsrule^: it upgrades through any changes to deps etc
[12:35] <lunitik> Burgundavia: ?
[12:35] <Burgundavia> regardless of what you think of Opera, if you don't want to help the man, then be quiet
[12:35] <^thehatsrule^> ah k
[12:35] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: excuse me, I believe in  free speech ...
[12:35] <^thehatsrule^> i was wondering... how come my apt-get update wont work? do i have to manually specify the sites?
[12:35] <zepticon> Burgundavia: have no clue about how to do it...
[12:35] <lunitik> Burgundavia: it is closed source... and not supported... not even in multiverse...
[12:36] <Burgundavia> who cares?
[12:36] <kbrooks> Burgundavia, may I pm you anytime?
[12:36] <Burgundavia> he wants to run opera
[12:36] <Burgundavia> kbrooks: sure
[12:36] <Burgundavia> let him
[12:36] <kbrooks> okay.....
[12:36] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: I don't think it's your place to tell people to be wuiet, frankly
[12:36] <thoreauputic> *quiet
[12:37] <kbrooks> Obey the  Ubuntu CoC, please.
[12:37] <lunitik> Burgundavia: I'm not stopping him... this just isn't the place to get help with it.
[12:37] <kbrooks> Free speech EXISTS in ubuntu, but only to an extent.
[12:37] <Tjdw> anybody wanna answer my question?
[12:37] <Tjdw> Is there a way to do a full reinstall from the CD and _not lose my files_?
[12:37] <kbrooks> lunitik, don't argue/
[12:37] <kbrooks> lunitik, just drop it
[12:37] <kbrooks> this is a pointless argument.
[12:38] <crimsun> Tjdw: if /home is on a separate partition, yes.
[12:38] <Burgundavia> lunitik, thoreauputic: why not?
[12:38] <kbrooks> zepticon, what's up? what happens when you try and install it
[12:38] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: what gives you the right? Nobody asked you to act as an arbiter
[12:38] <sean13> lunitik: thanks for all your help I got X working again
[12:39] <kbrooks> thoreauputic, sorry, but life is life
[12:39] <kbrooks> thoreauputic, obey the ubuntu coc
[12:39] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: a beautiful cliche :)
[12:39] <alitoch> It seemed like only my application packages were upgraded... but I did a dist-upgrade, not a simple one
[12:39] <roo_> Tjdw, you could burn your Home folder to CD or move it to another (safe) partition, then reinstall, then copy back..?
[12:39] <alitoch> thoreauputic> isn't it a backport when you change your repositories to Hoary when you're under Warty ??
[12:39] <sean13> lunitik: but I have another problem now, when I try to run anything that requires root I get the error "Xauthorization failed"
[12:39] <sean13> any ideas?
[12:39] <alitoch> Burgundavia> Ok, so I think I might install from the CD
[12:39] <alitoch> It won't overwrite my changes and edits, I have a single partition for /home...
[12:39] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: how am I breaking it, pray tell?
[12:39] <alitoch> thanks
[12:39] <lunitik> sean13: yay... you even got the binary drivers up? (from wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto)
[12:39] <solidape> how do i get my mounted fat-partition to display correctly in nautilus? had no problem with ntfs....
[12:40] <alitoch> roo_> but the dependencies could make some problems...
[12:40] <kbrooks> thoreauputic, arguing.
[12:40] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic: I am not an judge, but I do say that if someone comes here and asks about installing something, we help them
[12:40] <WW> zepticon: I don't know anything about installing opera, but if you don't get an answer here, you could try the forum.  For example, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22695
[12:40] <alitoch> if you copy a new /home and the name of the applications or folders are changed
[12:40] <sean13> lunitik: I will need to get this problem sorted out before I install any drivers
[12:40] <delire> sean13: you can simply delete the ~/.Xauthority file quite safely
[12:40] <alitoch> (after the new installation)
[12:40] <lunitik> sean13: ahh... get rid of the Xauthorization file in roots home (/root)
[12:40] <roo_> alitoch, dependencies from/to files in ~? :/
[12:40] <saik0> ACK! the gnome settings daemon wont start when I login anymore! Somebody help my theme was defaulted to redmond =(
[12:40] <sean13> delire lunitik: Ok thanks i'll go try that now
[12:40] <alitoch> yes, roo_
[12:41] <delire> sean13: this should reset the X permissions
[12:41] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: if we can't argue politely, we don't have a community, ate: argument isn't always a negative thing and censoring it is unhealthy
[12:41] <inva|id> everytime I try to open a stream in amarok, it freezes - anyone know why?
[12:41] <alitoch> some folders change of place, some filenames change...
[12:41] <lunitik> sean13: ahh... uhh... .ICEauthority ...
[12:41] <delire> hehe yeah..
[12:41] <kbrooks> thoreauputic and lunitik: please don't impend on our helpfulness by inciting a pointless argument
[12:41] <Tjdw> roo and crimson: Okay. I'll just scp my homedir to my other machine over the network
[12:41] <sean13> lunitik: what's that?
[12:41] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic: this channel is about ubuntu help, regardless of the software being used on it.
[12:41] <delire> inva|id: the stream or amarok?
[12:41] <inva|id> delire, amarok
[12:41] <alitoch> Imagine a new version of mozilla-firefox installed with Hoary searches profiles in ~/mozilla-firefox-profiles instead of the ancient folder of the version installed with warty, for example
[12:42] <kbrooks> Burgundavia, yeah
[12:42] <lunitik> sean13: its the file that dictates certain rights for applications etc... who they can talk to and the like...
[12:42] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: I nevr argued otherwise - I simply object to high handed censoring of comments
[12:42] <kbrooks> Burgundavia, no one cares about software in anyone's ubuntu
[12:42] <sean13> lunitik: ah ok thanks
[12:42] <thoreauputic> but whatever
[12:42] <lunitik> sean13: Inter Client Exchange I think is the meaning
[12:42] <kbrooks> and no one should.
[12:42] <delire> inva|id: odd. is the (Not So) Enlightened Sound Daemon .. esd running?
[12:42] <indiana> hello everybody
[12:42] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic: I wasn't censoring comments. I was simply saying that saying no to someone is not a great way to start a converstaion
[12:42] <lunitik> kbrooks: you are adding _nothing_ ... please shut up... you're turning it into a flame
[12:42] <jas_MHz> how do I add a DNS server to my eth0 ? I want to add ns1.uk.opennic.glue
[12:42] <inva|id> delire, let me look
[12:43] <lunitik> kbrooks, Burgundavia: help the guy, or shut up, thanks
[12:43] <kbrooks> lunitik, don't say shut up to me like that, please.
[12:43] <Burgundavia> lunitik: already am
[12:43] <delire> inva|id: you can turn it off using the gnome system UI
[12:43] <alitoch> jas_MHz> with the networking tools given by Ubuntu I think
[12:43] <zhukov_> hello
[12:43] <Burgundavia> lunitik: please again, remember the Ubuntu CoC
[12:43] <lunitik> kbrooks, Burgundavia: while continuing the debate... just drop that part...
[12:43] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: OK, never mind - i think it's a misunderstanding on both sides of what was meant: peace :)
[12:43] <alitoch> jas_MHz> search in the System menu and in the Applications -> System Tools menus
[12:44] <kbrooks> lunitik, no, I said drop it first.
[12:44] <inva|id> delire, should it be on? or should it be off?
[12:44] <sean13> lunitik: there us no ~/.Xauthorit in /root
[12:44] <delire> inva|id: well it's a right pain in the arse sometimes. turn it off and see whether the amarok behaves
[12:44] <Burgundavia> kbrooks, thoreauputic, lunitik: we have killed a dead horse completely
[12:44] <lunitik> sean13: there has to be... ls -a
[12:45] <grogoreo> does anyone know of a good dark grey or black theme?
[12:45] <inva|id> delire, ok, I'll try
[12:45] <lunitik> Burgundavia: and yet you continue... gj
[12:45] <delire> grogoreo: art.gnome.org
[12:45] <alitoch> grogoreo> take a loot at art.gnome.org
[12:45] <grogoreo> delire, I've looked
[12:45] <alitoch> If u use Gnome
[12:45] <zhukov_> Can anyone please tell me how to add the sun javadoc???????
[12:45] <randabis> www.gnome-look.org
[12:46] <alitoch> zhukov_> I think there's a package somewhere for that....
[12:46] <grogoreo> randabis, and ive looked there
[12:46] <zhukov_> alitoch, to the sun javadoc?
[12:46] <delire> grogoreo: time to make one!
[12:46] <grogoreo> basically I would just like the clears looks theme but darker
[12:47] <lunitik> grogoreo: edit the gtkrc in /usr/share/themes/Clearlooks
[12:47] <lunitik> grogoreo: its in hex though... heh
[12:47] <grogoreo> linitik, thanks for the tip
[12:47] <sean13> lunitik: I tried ls -a and I still can't see it
[12:47] <carlos-d-man> I have a new software repository @ ~/ubuntu, how may I add it to synaptic? :)
[12:47] <inva|id> delire,
[12:47] <inva|id> $ esd -terminate
[12:47] <inva|id> /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[12:47] <sean13> lunitik: I sent the results of ls -a in a pm
[12:47] <lunitik> sean13: I don't see how thats possible... check your /home too though...
[12:47] <chavo> grogoreo, copy the clearlooks theme to ~/.themes and rename it first.
[12:47] <sean13> lunitik: ok
[12:48] <lunitik> sean13: I thought X ran as suid root... guess not anymore  :/
[12:48] <chavo> then edit it. That way you still have the original.
[12:48] <delire> inva|id: killall esd
[12:48] <inva|id> delire,
[12:48] <inva|id> $ killall esd
[12:48] <inva|id> esd: no process killed
[12:48] <sean13> lunitik: Ok, it's in /home/sean13 but there is three of them, will I delete all of them?
[12:49] <lunitik> delire: pkill is less charactors  8)
[12:49] <delire> inva|id: 'ps ax | grep esd' and look for the process number .. then kill -9  <process #>
[12:49] <saik0> Alright, so I figured out my problem just dunno how to fix it. gnome-settings-daemon: error while loading shared libraries: libgnome-window-settings.so.1
[12:49] <lunitik> sean13: yeah... and the ones in /tmp ... probably they are arguing with each other ...
[12:49] <delire> inva|id: or yeah, use pkill ;)
[12:49] <delire> inva|id: (as lunitik says)
[12:49] <lunitik> delire: 8)
[12:50] <delire> lunitik: me and my bad habits ..
[12:50] <sean13> lunitik: there isn't one in /tmp
[12:50] <lunitik> sean13: thats fine... now restart X
[12:50] <lunitik> sean13: should recreate one... and will be consistent + actually work  :)
[12:50] <sean13> lunitik: what's the command to restart x?
[12:51] <delire> inva|id: you can also turn esd off in the gnome system menu, though i don't have gnome in front of me here
[12:51] <lunitik> sean13: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[12:51] <kbrooks> sean13, ctrl+alt+bksp
[12:51] <kbrooks> lunitik, my way == easy
[12:51] <saik0> how do I find out what package libgnome-window-settings.so.1 belongs to?
[12:51] <munki> looks like sean13 found a way to restart X ^^
[12:51] <azad> hey there
[12:51] <lunitik> kbrooks: sure... but likely he's working from terminal... on account of X isn't loading...
[12:51] <azad> how to disable that locate -u on startups?
[12:51] <lunitik> kbrooks: hence the issue to start with..  ;)
[12:52] <kbrooks> heh
[12:52] <crimsun> saik0: it's in capplets
[12:52] <crimsun> saik0: dpkg -S libgnome-window-settings.so.1
[12:52] <kbrooks> delire, ssd? ;)
[12:52] <lunitik> delire: its enlightens one as to how to make a software mixer suck  :P
[12:52] <crimsun> saik0: (though I recommend installing dlocate instead)
[12:52] <Telep> is there anyone here using Crossover office?
[12:52] <kbrooks> sucky sound daemon
[12:52] <delire> lunitik: yes, quite brilliant in that sense.. ;)
[12:52] <sean13> lunitik: thanks, it is working fine now :)
[12:53] <delire> kbrooks: :|
[12:53] <lunitik> sean13: \o/
[12:53] <sean13> lunitik: can you give me the link to the binary driver how to please
[12:53] <kbrooks> csd?
[12:53] <delire> ..
[12:53] <kbrooks> crazy sound daemon
[12:53] <kbrooks> :P
[12:53] <lunitik> sean13: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:53] <kbrooks> esd
[12:53] <sean13> lunitik: thanks :D
[12:53] <delire> yes, they should go for more of a rock aesthetic..
[12:53] <kbrooks> evil sound daemon
[12:53] <delire> metal, nice..
[12:53] <kent> how did i turn of the automatic "close parent when opening new folder" that keeps happening on a newly updated Hoary? I dont find any button for that in the preferences in nautilus :(
[12:54] <lunitik> kent: its in gconf someplace...
[12:54] <Sung> can someone help me change the video card settings for reboot ?
[12:54] <Sung> from within the LIVE CD.
[12:54] <delire> Sung: what do you want to change?
[12:54] <delire> Sung: ahah.. harder ;)
[12:55] <alitoch> Sung> I presume it should be a GRUB (or LILO if you use it) option...
[12:55] <Sung> well i have to change the resolution settings.
[12:55] <Burgundavia> kent: there is a bug filed for that: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8516
[12:55] <lunitik> Sung: you want to change X or console resolution?
[12:55] <kent> lunitik, Burgundavia, is it a bug or a feature?
[12:55] <Burgundavia> kent: a feature I think
[12:55] <Burgundavia> kent: "feature"
[12:56] <carlos-d-man> dpkg -i http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/speedtouch/speedtouch_1.3.1-1_i386.deb told me there will be no configuration because of dependency problems; what other programs do I need to install to solve the dependency problems? the error message did not mention any :S
[12:56] <Sung> Lunitik: i believe so.
[12:56] <saik0> crimsun, thanks alot. ok now that i know it does indeed belong to capplets is there any way I can install that one file again?
[12:56] <Blissex> carlos-d-man: thats you punishment for not using APT, like 'aptitude' or 'synaptic'.
[12:57] <kbrooks> use APT
[12:57] <kent> Burgundavia, strange feature then, since it makes file managment very hard. To copy a file from Home-Documents to Home, i Have to open first home, then Documents, copy the files, and then reopen home to paste them.
[12:57] <Burgundavia> kent: yes, see the bug I filed
[12:57] <lunitik> kent: that bug tells you how to change it back...
[12:57] <kent> Burgundavia, will read it now. thanks.
[12:57] <crimsun> saik0: --reinstall
[12:58] <Sung> sigh.
[12:58] <dracflamloc> well, i installed and configured ubuntu linux on my computer. but i like it so much i'm gonna put it on its own 80gb hd instead of a 16gb partition =)
[12:58] <DXT> Is there _any_ graphical application (that is not specifically for KDE) for editing system services?
[12:58] <Sung> gonna go throw this computer out the window.
[12:58] <carlos-d-man> ohh, how may I add that .deb file to synaptic? I got a little mangled within the add repostory and did not look for "install this speciffic .deb file" :)
[12:58] <Sung> indeed.
[12:59] <delire> carlos-d-man: nothing wrong with using dpkg -i on a locally downloaded package.
[12:59] <solidape> need help, xmms won't even start on newly installed hoary.....
[12:59] <drasko> hi all... How to fix midi on ubuntu -- I can hear Muse play midi...
[12:59] <drasko> hi all... How to fix midi on ubuntu -can't
[12:59] <delire> drasko: still no midi?
[01:00] <drasko> delire, no.. I can't hear it... uh.
[01:00] <saik0> crimsun, dpkg: unknown option --reinstall (did'nt see it in the manpage either)
[01:00] <inva|id> I got the stream to open with the amarok-xine engine, but now I have no sound
[01:00] <delire> drasko: well that may be Muse's problem, not Ubuntu's
[01:00] <pte> hi all. i've just installted ubuntu and i'm having some problems with evolution. is there an equivalent of 'imap server directory'?
[01:00] <crimsun> saik0: apt-get --reinstall install
[01:00] <delire> inva|id: can you hear other sounds?
[01:01] <alitoch> i'm back
[01:01] <inva|id> yes
[01:01] <inva|id> just none from amarok
[01:01] <johndoher> ok.  Let me throw my Q into the pot:
[01:01] <delire> inva|id: restart amarok so that it resources the default sound system
[01:01] <lunitik> decisions decisions  :(
[01:01] <drasko> delire, how to check out quick if midi is working?
[01:01] <delire> lunitik: it's a great app..
[01:01] <lunitik> drasko: playmidi ...
[01:02] <inva|id> still nothing
[01:02] <saik0> crimsun, well that would explain both why it does not work and why I could'nt find anything like it in the dpkg manpage now would'nt it
[01:02] <drasko> lunitik, command?
[01:02] <ells> anyone know how to change the login background in ubuntu
[01:02] <crimsun> saik0: indeed.
[01:02] <lunitik> drasko: apt-get install playmidi
[01:02] <delire> drasko: apt-cache search midi and choose one of many to test it. you can play midi in xmms with a plugin i think
[01:02] <lunitik> delire: I see that much  :P
[01:02] <drasko> lunitik, I am on it...
[01:02] <delire> ;)
[01:02] <Marble2> hey delire
[01:03] <delire> hey there.. msg me for assistance ok?
[01:03] <lunitik> delire: heh... I wasted hours on a simular 'game' for ps2... scares me  ;)
[01:03] <pte> to ells: use System->Administration->Login Screen Setup
[01:03] <ells> pte, thanks
[01:03] <saik0> crimsun, uhoh....may I msg you something the terminal spat out?
[01:03] <Marble2> I did
[01:03] <pte> anyone here know something about Evolution and imap settings?
[01:03] <delire> lunitik: tell me about it.. more of that this weekend i feel
[01:03] <kent> Burgundavia, I hope they disable that feature. I cant see how any body would like to have it this way. I kind of like the spatiel view as it was before. This way I cant do much without having to reopen folders all the time. Its possible to do it with nautilus with either "open parent" or such, but its not right, its not what i expect :(
[01:03] <lunitik> delire: heh  :)
[01:04] <Burgundavia> kent: pile on that bug and see if we can get it changed
[01:04] <johndoher> I have a 160 GB SATA drive, partitioned ~35-Windows NTFS, 100-Files FAT32, 15-Ubuntu Ext3 (newly installed, but with problems).  Grub doesn't see the windows partition (I'm currently using an old hard drive).  Fix?
[01:04] <lewwy> hey guys, how would i increase my bit depth on my X windows?
[01:04] <lunitik> kent: as the bug says... annoy sabdfl (Mark) about it...
[01:04] <drasko> playmidi: No playback device found.
[01:04] <lewwy> hey guys, how would i increase my bit depth on my X windows?
[01:05] <lewwy> whoops double
[01:05] <delire> lewwy see /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and look for BitDepth
[01:06] <ells> pte, are there anymore themes that I can install
[01:06] <ohgood> johndoher: sounds like grub needs some help
[01:06] <Dreamer3> new wary install, Gnome takes FOREVER (i mean it's still sitting there and hasn't started yet)
[01:06] <lunitik> lewwy: change default depth to '24' ..
[01:06] <Dreamer3> the install went fine, system seems to be working fine, but gnome isn't starting...
[01:06] <lunitik> lewwy: thats 32 bit... and the largest X supports.
[01:06] <Jimbob> Dreamer3: what kind of proc, ram, and graphics card do you have?
[01:06] <pte> ells, yes. but i installed ubuntu just an hour ago, so i;m not sure where to find them
[01:07] <johndoher> When I remove the Ubuntu partition, my comp boots up and says something like "no OS present"
[01:07] <Servo888> Is there a gcc-config executable for ubuntu?
[01:07] <scott> anyone know what package zlib.h is in?
[01:07] <Dreamer3> Jimbob: amd 1800, 512mb, vanta nvidia, gdm works fine, just gnome... i get a brown background and the first screen, the nothing
[01:07] <Jimbob> Hrm.
[01:07] <ohgood> johndoher: how are you 'removeing' the linux parition ?
[01:07] <ells> pte, okay
[01:07] <delire> hehe
[01:07] <Dreamer3> Jimbob: it's not connection to any network
[01:07] <lunitik> scott: to hazard a guess... zlibc ...
[01:07] <carlos-d-man> just installed  dpkg -i sppedtouch.deb, found dependency with synaptic, it was libatm1 and after that reinstalled dpkg -i sppedtouch.deb and that told me it was configured; how may I use it? at another distro the speedtouch contains adsl-start|stop|status|connect scripts but they are not on ubuntu :S
[01:07] <lewwy> delire, that file does not exist
[01:08] <Dreamer3> Jimbob: is there some weird issue i need to take care of... maybe it's timeing out (And taking it's time)???
[01:08] <Jimbob> Dreamer3: What does /etc/hostname say?
[01:08] <delire> scott: libzlib-dev i would say
[01:08] <drasko> lunitik, delire playmidi: No playback device found. Where to check next?
[01:08] <Jimbob> Dreamer3: or the "hostname" command
[01:08] <delire> lewwy ok you're probably using X.org right?
[01:08] <Dreamer3> Jimbob: ubuntu
[01:08] <Dreamer3> Jimbob: i went with all the defaults during install
[01:08] <lewwy> delire, i have xorg.conf there tho
[01:08] <delire> lewwy ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:08] <Dreamer3> Jimbob: except no to network questions because i have none
[01:08] <delire> lewwy: yep look in there for the same
[01:09] <lewwy> yeh im there delire what do i change?
[01:09] <Jimbob> Dreamer3: Ok. Check if there's a line that says "127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost ubuntu" in /etc/hosts
[01:09] <delire> lewwy: it's probably set to 16 atm. search for BitDepth
[01:09] <delire> lewwy: or similar..
[01:09] <lewwy> how do i search in VI delire :$
[01:09] <spear> bye !
[01:09] <delire> lewwy: with a '/'
[01:09] <Jimbob> Dreamer3: Or similar
[01:09] <Dreamer3> Jimbob: yes
[01:09] <Dreamer3> Jimbob: it's there
[01:09] <Jimbob> Hrm.
[01:09] <ohgood> johndoher: ?
[01:10] <johndoher> (I'm a complete noob) It's like my comp's boot sequence ignores my 35GB windows partition and the 100GB files partition.  When I boot with the XP CD, the part asking for the partition to install on doesn't see the old windows partition (but the Ubuntu installer does).
[01:10] <delire> lewwy: eg /BitDepth
[01:10] <lewwy> k thanks delire
[01:10] <johndoher> (grub doesn't see the old windows partition either)
[01:10] <delire> johndoher: windows is trained to despise Linux file systems
[01:10] <Dreamer3> Jimbob: i'm betting it's some weird network thing bu ti don't have ny idea
[01:11] <Dreamer3> Jimbob: i mean the system itself is fast
[01:11] <Dreamer3> Jimbob: and GDM starts fast
[01:11] <Dreamer3> then gnome and WAIT WAIT WAIT
[01:11] <Jimbob> Dreamer3: Well, gnome-session has been known to throw fits if it can't resolve the hostname.
[01:11] <ohgood> johndoher: i've tried to /msg you
[01:11] <Dreamer3> Jimbob: hmmm but it should be able to
[01:11] <johndoher> about Grub?
[01:12] <Jimbob> Dreamer3: Well, "resolve" means "get an IP from the hostname" -- doesn't necessarily mean a DNS lookup
[01:12] <lewwy> ok, delire how would i change the bitdepth in KDE?
[01:12] <n4cht> ok....  has anyone had a problem with the most recent hoary update?  apparently the upgrade on nvidia-glx messed up my xorg.  It won't load the nvidia kernel modules because it says version numbers don't match or somesuch.
[01:12] <Dreamer3> Jimbob: i'm open to suggestions
[01:13] <saik0> what does it mean when dpkg is unable to 'stat' something (oh no my noob is showing)
[01:13] <Jimbob> Dreamer3: Umm, try configuring it with a network, then just never plugging it in?
[01:13] <delire> lewwy: i don't use either Gnome or KDE, though when it comes to this stuff, it's generally much easier in KDE. i think some distro's like Mepis and Suse provide a GUI xconfigurator.
[01:14] <n4cht> anyone, anyone...  bueller...  bueller...
[01:14] <sammy> There's a KDE for ubuntu right?
[01:14] <Jimbob> Dreamer3: I know you're having a strange issue since our certificates-handling ubuntu box at work has no network as well -- and no problems either
[01:14] <delire> lewwy: whether kubuntu, or stock KDE provides it i don't know.
[01:14] <nydust> how can i installl dvdrip on ubuntu hoary? apt-get says it not supportet cause of unstabel release
[01:14] <thoreauputic> saik0: in simple terms, it can't read the file info
[01:14] <n4cht> sammy, there's KDE for every linux distro.
[01:14] <sammy> n4cht: awesome. I couldn't get it working properly when I tried debian, I'll have to try it out with ubuntu :) It looks pretty,
[01:14] <siimo> kde is KOOL!
[01:14] <delire> n4cht: you need to recompile the nvidia module (re-run the installer). this hoary upgrade is a bit of a mess where x.org is concerned
[01:15] <Marble2> delire, check your PM
[01:15] <n4cht> nydust, looks like you're going to find the package from the developer, and compile it yourself?
[01:15] <Dreamer3> Jimbob: hmmmmmmm
[01:15] <thoreauputic> saik0: usually it means it can't find it or it doesn't exist
[01:15] <nydust> sammy, i have kde 3.4 on my ubuntu, go here www.ubuntuguide.org and add the extra parameter and take a dist upgrade
[01:15] <ohgood> nydust: mplayer/mencoder will do anything you want
[01:15] <Dreamer3> Jimbob: well, it's annoying
[01:15] <casimir> I'm having some trouble with my nvidia drivers in hoary, and I haven't had any luck compiling it myself
[01:15] <delire> Marble2: sorry auto-ignore just timed out. try again?
[01:15] <Jimbob> Dreamer3: Yeah, I can only imagine
[01:15] <blueyed> I've got it installed now (grub put hd2 into its config, but it was in fact hd2!). But the install is kind of broken.. how can I burn the hoary-install-amd64.iso? Firefox does not start anymore, so I cannot google.. :/
[01:15] <blueyed> ..was hd3..
[01:15] <n4cht> delire, thanks.   i haven't actually used the installer.  i just install the nvidia-glx package and nvidia-glx-config enable, but now it's obvious that i'm going to have to actually use the installer.
[01:15] <Jimbob> Dreamer3: I know somebody on the GNOME channels was having a similar issue about an hour ago -- I'll ask him if he figured it out
[01:16] <nydust> thanks
[01:16] <saik0> thoreauputic, I'm trying to reinstall capplets because the gnome setting daemon crashes on login. I cant because it cant stat the file which is causing the daemon to crash in the first place
[01:16] <Dreamer3> Jimbob: i just need a hoary CD
[01:16] <Jimbob> Oh, you're on warty?
[01:16] <casimir> /var/log/X11/XOrg.0.log doesn't seem to provide any useful information
[01:17] <Jimbob> (not that that helps any, really, just good to know what version of GNOME is barfing on you)
[01:17] <n4cht> blueyed, why not just use lynx, or some other CLI browser?   google works fine through those.
[01:17] <nydust> sammy, did you get it?
[01:17] <thoreauputic> saik0: do you know which file it is, or if it exists on your system?
[01:17] <blueyed> n4cht, but lynx isn't installed (synaptic also does not start)..
[01:18] <thoreauputic> blueyed: try links
[01:18] <thoreauputic> blueyed: it should be installed
[01:18] <toBee> moin
[01:18] <blueyed> daniel@base:~$ links
[01:18] <blueyed> bash: links: command not found
[01:18] <n4cht> dude.  CLI.   apt-get install lynx, or links.   synaptic is not 'apt'.  it's a GUI frontend for apt.
[01:18] <thoreauputic> blueyed: OK it isn't there either :/
[01:18] <saik0> thoreauputic, indeed. it's /usr/lib/libgnome-window-settings.so.1.0.0 and it does in fact exist. I cant copy rename or even rm -f it
[01:19] <scott> what's the name of the X dev package?
[01:19] <blueyed> apt-get fails, too.. would just need some cdrecord cmdline
[01:19] <n4cht> brb.  gonna start working on dinner.   i'll deal with my glx problems later.  lol.
[01:21] <thoreauputic> saik0: have you tried  apt-get remove --purge <package> && apt-get install <package> ?
[01:21] <casimir> n4cht, maybe we can share some insight later on, I'm having some nvidia glx problems as wll
[01:21] <scott> checking for X... no. <-- when compiling says that, what's the -dev package to install?
[01:21] <alitoch> Hum, I need some help, how do I have to place an image if I want it to replace the GNOME icon in the main menu ?
[01:21] <nydust> whats the best frontend to mplayer?
[01:21] <delire> gmplayer?
[01:21] <thoreauputic> scott:  x-window-system-dev from memory
[01:22] <alitoch> sorry, replace how by "where" in my sentence
[01:22] <saik0> thoreauputic, it's capplets, too may packages depend on it
[01:22] <ohgood> shucky ducky
[01:23] <thoreauputic> saik0: hmm OK - what about apt-get install --reinstall ?
[01:23] <saik0> thoreauputic, thats where I got my original stat question from =(
[01:23] <alitoch> allo ??
[01:24] <thoreauputic> saik0: Oh> Sorry ! :O
[01:24] <scott> anyone using usplash?
[01:24] <scott> thoreauputic, thanks
[01:24] <saik0> thoreauputic, it spits out unable to stat `./usr/lib/libgnome-window-settings.so.1.0.0' (which I was about to install): Invalid argument
[01:25] <lewwy> hey guys, how the heck do i change my resolution in KDE
[01:25] <kakalto> If I install alien, can I just "dpkg -i <rpm file>"?
[01:26] <kakalto> or do I "alien -i <rpm>"?
[01:26] <stang> Hey everybody!  I was installing ubuntu for a friend yesterday and we got it all installed and rebooted his machine and was prompted for host name- but the keyboard wouldn't work anymore!
[01:26] <alitoch> can't somebody simply tell me where to put the icon to replace the Gnome one in the main panel ?
[01:26] <stang> Tried several different ideas, but never got it working
[01:26] <stang> anyone have a suggestion?
[01:26] <thoreauputic> kakalto: just alien <rpm>
[01:26] <kakalto> thanks
[01:26] <kkathman> stang, did the keyboard work during the install?
[01:26] <thoreauputic> kakalto: shold make a deb for you
[01:27] <thoreauputic> *should
[01:27] <saik0> stang, is it a USB keyboard?
[01:27] <lewwy> how do i change my resolution in KDE?
[01:27] <stang> ps2 keyboard, and it worked during install
[01:27] <kkathman> stang, USB keyboard?
[01:27] <stang> i also tried installing fc3 on his machine and the keyboard wouldn't even work in it's installer
[01:27] <nydust> mplayerhq.hu have problem with patents and will soon be cloused
[01:27] <nydust> bad
[01:27] <stang> kkathman, ps2 keyboard
[01:28] <lewwy> are you serious? did they pass that stupid patent law?
[01:28] <badtzmark> need help on installing  JRE
[01:28] <kkathman> stang, hmmm  did you check the install log?
[01:29] <stang> kkathman, no, we can't do anything since the keyboard won't work
[01:29] <kkathman> stang, oh I thought maybe you got another keyboard
[01:29] <goldfish> badtzmark: looked at ubuntuguide.org?
[01:29] <mxpxpod> how do I boot into ubuntu single user?
[01:29] <stang> kkathman, i think we just need to get a usb keyboard... but thought there might be a common problem with them
[01:29] <stang> that you all might know about
[01:29] <sean13> lunitic: X broke again... I followed the instruction on the howto you linked me to but when I restarted X I got a lot of errors saying that fonts are allready registered at 0
[01:30] <sean13> lunitic: then it says "connection to x server lost"
[01:30] <saik0> mxpxpod, from the grub menu or from X?
[01:30] <kkathman> stang, I used a PS2 on mine, but its one where its a USB with a PS2 adapter
[01:30] <thoreauputic> saik0: you've tried ` dpkg-reconfigure capplets ` I suppose?
[01:30] <lewwy> idiots
[01:30] <mxpxpod> saik0: I want to boot so only minimal things start up (i.e. not gdm)
[01:30] <lewwy> i cant believe they passed that stupid patent law
[01:30] <badtzmark> what bittorent alternative i can use?
[01:31] <saik0> mxpxpod, it's the '(rcovery mode) in your grub menu
[01:31] <mxpxpod> saik0: I don't have grub... this is ppc
[01:31] <sean13> hi
[01:31] <stang> kkathman, i can run the live cd of knoppix and everything is fine, next time i'm over there I'll check the logs with knoppix and see if there's any easy fixes
[01:31] <saik0> mxpxpod, ah, well then I'm not sure
[01:32] <stang> kkathman, I'm pretty new to linux myself and just found out how important the logs are... search mine today and had an extreme amount of ssh login attempts from "hackers"
[01:32] <kkathman> stang, yeah Ive installed ubuntu, libranet, fc3, and rh9 and never had a prob with keyboards...other things like ethernet cards, but never kbs
[01:32] <scott> when compiling I'm getting errors that I don't have --cflags and --libs..what do I need?
[01:32] <Dr_Aevil> nydust: that's just a protest page, there are no legal procedings against them that I'm aware of, it's part of an online protest to get people to contact their local MEPs
[01:32] <thoreauputic> mxpxpod: can you get to level 1 by issuing  sudo init 1 ?
[01:32] <mxpxpod> thoreauputic: oh, I might
[01:32] <Dreamer3> anyone know why gnome (warty) would pause permanently at the splash screen on a pristine new install?
[01:32] <kakalto> where can I get glibc_2.3.4?
[01:33] <saik0> thoreauputic, can i msg you what it spat out...sounds bad
[01:33] <badtzmark> apt-get install libdvdcss2 doesn't work
[01:33] <delire> kakalto: apt-cache search glibc
[01:33] <djp> when will the april fool login image change?
[01:33] <delire> badtzmark you need the transcode repo
[01:33] <stang> kkathman, yeah, i've installed linux about 10 different times now with about 4 or 5 different distros... first time w/ keyboard troubles, so I'm kinda clueless... I'm just going to make him buy a new one
[01:33] <thoreauputic> saik0: sure - no guarantees I'll understand it though ;-)
[01:33] <lewwy> hey guys, is there voice recognition for linux?
[01:34] <saik0> ldconfig: Cannot lstat /usr/lib/libgnome-window-settings.so.1.0.0: Invalid argument
[01:34] <saik0> ldconfig: Cannot lstat /usr/lib/libebook-1.2.so.3.1.1: Invalid argument
[01:34] <saik0> ldconfig: Cannot lstat /usr/lib/libsigc-2.0.so.0.0.0: Invalid argument
[01:34] <saik0> ldconfig: Cannot lstat /usr/lib/libsigc-2.0.so.0: Invalid argument
[01:34] <saik0> ldconfig: Cannot lstat /usr/lib/libglibmm-2.4.so.1.0.13: Invalid argument
[01:34] <saik0> ldconfig: Cannot lstat /usr/lib/libecal-1.2.so.2.0.1: Invalid argument
[01:34] <saik0> ldconfig: Cannot lstat /usr/lib/libglibmm_generate_extra_defs-2.4.so.1.0.13: Invalid argument
[01:34] <delire> badtzmark: don't msg me without asking thanks.
[01:34] <kakalto> delire, I did that but there's no sign of glibc
[01:34] <kakalto> *glibc_2.3.4
[01:34] <kakalto> there's 2.1 and 2.2
[01:34] <badtzmark> sorry
[01:35] <kkathman> stang, Im fairly new also...what log did you look at to find the ssh hacks?
[01:35] <kakalto> 2.3 doesn't show up in a search on the debian package site either
[01:35] <delire> badtzmark: add this "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main" to your /etc/apt/sources.list and then 'apt-get update' then try installing
[01:35] <delire> Marble2: ok, but it's nearly 2am here. can i have a look at it in the morning. we can try the ssh tonight though.
[01:35] <goldfish> auth.log probably
[01:35] <saik0> sorry about the flood.....meant to msg that =\
[01:36] <delire> badtzmark: no problem, i'm in a session with a few others now
[01:36] <stang> kkathman, /var/spool/mail/root
[01:36] <kakalto> does anyone know where I can find glibc 2.3.4?
[01:37] <badtzmark> delire: do i need to add "#" infront?
[01:37] <kkathman> stang kewl thanks I may take a look at that myself :)
[01:37] <Marble2> delire, mind checking your PM please?
[01:37] <delire> badtzmark: no take that out.
[01:37] <stang> kkathman, and then i changed iptables to put anything that it didn't approve of into /var/log/messages
[01:38] <stang> kkathman, you should check into it, I had around 300 failed login attempts in the last week!
[01:38] <badtzmark> delire: how do i have write access?
[01:38] <nictuku> hello. In netfilter, how can i insert a certain rule with a higher precedence then an already setup rule, in the same chain?
[01:38] <kkathman> stang you are way ahead of me in that, I havent even begun to look at iptables and how they work
[01:38] <delire> badtzmark: use sudo. 'sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list'
[01:38] <packetgod> If I install the RC I can just dist-upgrade to get to the release version when it comes out right?
[01:38] <chillywilly> woah, I upgraded ubuntu-artwork and the gdm theme nearly gave me a heart attack...such a motley crue
[01:39] <chillywilly> ;P
[01:39] <kakalto> anyone?
[01:39] <stang> kkathman, the iptables man page is a little helpful... google.com/linux always does the trick though
[01:39] <chillywilly> I think I prefer the naked people ;)
[01:39] <nydust> do apt-get delete the file it downloads after installing?
[01:39] <djp> how long does the gdm theme remain with the april fools pic?
[01:39] <chillywilly> at least the latest one has those guys fully clothed ;P
[01:39] <chillywilly> now THAT would be really scary
[01:40] <nuge> djp i think you need to upgrade again
[01:40] <Timbo> yikes, just did exactly the same
[01:40] <nuge> sometime tomorrow
[01:40] <badtzmark> delire: bash: gedit: command not found
[01:40] <kkathman> stang, I'll check that out...I've just in the last week, put together a computer and loaded linux and beginning my journey there
[01:40] <delire> badtzmark do you know how to use vim? use any text editor
[01:40] <djp> nuge: have done, no change. do you need to completely restart the pc for change to take place?
[01:41] <nuge> djp i mean.. upgrade sometime tomorrow when it's not april 1 anymore ;)
[01:41] <stang> kkathman, it's not too bad at all!  Thanks for your help, I'm outta here.
[01:41] <kkathman> stang have a good one...btw I dont have that file on my system  that you referenced :)
[01:41] <corinne> hello, i just installed ubuntu and the sound is really slow
[01:41] <packetgod> Is there a link to the april fools picture?
[01:41] <djp> nuge: ahh, ok. it is 2/4 here in old blighty right now!
[01:42] <corinne> it's like it's playing at half speed
[01:42] <stang> kkathman, which one?
[01:42] <Akrame> hey all
[01:42] <chillywilly> yea I need a url to those geekly geeks too
[01:42] <Akrame> i need help please
[01:42] <kkathman> stang  that /var/spool/mail/root
[01:42] <Akrame> http://cakram.free.fr/Capture.png
[01:42] <Akrame> go see this
[01:42] <nuge> heh ok, where the heck is 'old blighty' ? :)
[01:42] <djp> nuge: sorry, uk! ;)
[01:42] <goldfish> Akrame: done
[01:42] <nuge> :)
[01:43] <chillywilly> no one has a pic of those manly geeks?
[01:43] <corinne> does anyone have any ideas?
[01:43] <Akrame> goldfish , some windows and menus , are small
[01:43] <Akrame> why ?
[01:43] <chillywilly> on the intarweb
[01:43] <corinne> about this sound problem?
[01:43] <stang> kkathman, I run fc3, so maybe that's why, or maybe you just haven't gotten any mail yet (a good thing!).  Might try /var/mail/root
[01:43] <goldfish> Akrame: emmmmmmm, no idea :)
[01:44] <Akrame> http://cakram.free.fr/Capture.png Can someone help me with this ?
[01:44] <Akrame> Ty goldfish :)
[01:44] <kkathman> stang  ok...I probably need to get a list of the locations in Ubuntu of all those log files
[01:44] <corinne> ok, the sound is playing at around 10% the right speed
[01:44] <stang> kkathman, it might be because of ubuntu's lack of a real root user... I'm not a big fan of no root, but I guess it could be good while starting off
[01:45] <Timbo> sudo passwd
[01:45] <stang> kkathman, so without a root account, I'm not sure where his mail would go haha  check the faqs I guess
[01:45] <Timbo> su
[01:45] <kkathman> stang, yeah I dig that, every other distro makes you set up root and a user
[01:45] <Timbo> hello root :)
[01:45] <goldfish> Akrame: that menu up is an xmms menu, mayb ethey changed the xmms font
[01:45] <kkathman> stang, it goes to that same directory, but the user name
[01:45] <goldfish> just type mutt
[01:45] <goldfish> to view your mail
[01:46] <stang> kkathman, goldfish has your answers, talk to you later
[01:46] <badtzmark> :(
[01:46] <goldfish> hmm...
[01:46] <Akrame> goldfish , no no , the samething with Xine
[01:46] <kkathman> stang, laterz
[01:46] <shushi200> Is ndiswrapper included with Ubuntu 5.04?
[01:46] <goldfish> Akrame: ah right
[01:47] <goldfish> Is it such a big thing ? :)
[01:47] <goldfish> well
[01:47] <goldfish> probably, otherwise you wouldnt ask :)
[01:48] <corinne> i guess no one wants to help
[01:48] <Timbo> ya we all hate you
[01:48] <drasko> any one pley midi on Creative Live?
[01:48] <thoreauputic> corinne: much more likely no-one knows :)
[01:48] <Akrame> goldfish :O
[01:48] <corinne> hmm, ok mpg123 worked
[01:48] <goldfish> I must say, mp3blaster rocks.
[01:49] <thoreauputic> corinne: just a shot in the dark: run gst-register-0.8
[01:49] <kakalto> is it alright if I grab the libc6 experimental deb off packages.debian.org & install it to replace my current libc6?
[01:49] <corinne> ok
[01:50] <thoreauputic> corinne: if mpg123 works the trouble could be with gstreamer
[01:50] <kakalto> gstreamer?
[01:50] <kakalto> I hear that's evil
[01:50] <badtzmark> delire: what was that link i need to insert again?
[01:50] <corinne> yeah, that's what i was thinking
[01:50] <corinne> either that or esd
[01:50] <delire> sorry have to go.. 2am here
[01:50] <drbombay43> yellow all, quick question, can I use packages designed for debian or  should I compile from source?
[01:50] <casimir> gstreamer has a lot of "potential" from what I understand of it
[01:50] <kakalto> ubuntu is a debian disto
[01:51] <corinne> ok, your idea fixed it i think
[01:51] <kakalto> so packages made for debian should be fine, I think
[01:51] <brap> u
[01:51] <thoreauputic> drbombay43: try to avoid debian packages - what do you need to install?
[01:51] <corinne> thanks thoreauputic
[01:51] <drbombay43> libFastTrack for apollon
[01:51] <thoreauputic> kakalto: mostly yes, sometimes no
[01:51] <kakalto> ahk
[01:51] <chillywilly> you guys are awesome
[01:52] <chillywilly> that gdm theme made a crappy long day a lot better
[01:52] <corinne> bye byd everyone
[01:52] <kakalto> so, avoid 'experimental' packages?
[01:52] <SmokingFire> I'm trying to watch TV using the program tvtime. It works
[01:52] <chillywilly> :)
[01:52] <brap> My soundcard has been detected correctly intel8x0 and modules loaded.  I have intel8x0m in the hotplug blacklist file but when I try to play an mp3 with Music Player it will not play.  Any ideas?
[01:52] <SmokingFire> But everytime I reboot my tvcard is under another device (either video0 or video1)
[01:52] <crazydeb8r> I have an executable file (Yes, for Unix, not windows) that I'd like to be able to run from the command line, but I didn't compile it or apt-get it, how can I "install" it?
[01:53] <kakalto> is it deb?
[01:53] <casimir> brap, do you have the gst-plugins for mp3 installed?
[01:53] <sysrq> put it in your PATH
[01:53] <chavo> crazydeb8r, put it in ~/bin
[01:53] <thoreauputic> drbombay43: hmm - compiling might be necessary unless you want to risk a debian unstable package
[01:53] <CarlK> just installed Hoary on a Toshiba 6100, it has a built in SD card that shold be on the 3'rd usb, but lsusb just shows 3 empty busses
[01:53] <casimir> or, do ogg files play in rhythmbox
[01:53] <brap> casimir: I dont think so what's the pack name?
[01:53] <EvilIdler> Garg. No GLX or stable compositing still. Fresh install of Ubuntu/Hoary with nvidia-glx package. Any ideas?
[01:53] <crazydeb8r> chavo, alright, thanks
[01:53] <thoreauputic> drbombay43: does apt-cache search come up empty?
[01:53] <drbombay43> thoreauputic; thank you
[01:54] <drbombay43> good looking
[01:54] <kakalto> does it matter if I grab the experimental libc6 deb package of the debian packages database, and install it over my current one?
[01:54] <thoreauputic> drbombay43: the package you want isn't on warty as far as I can see - can't speak for hoary
[01:54] <crazydeb8r> chavo, do I want to put it in /usr/bin or /bin
[01:55] <kakalto> anyone?
[01:55] <thoreauputic> kakalto: libc6 is pretty crucial
[01:55] <thoreauputic> kakalto: I wouldn't try it
[01:55] <kakalto> 'cause I have another package which requires v2.3.4 of glibc
[01:56] <sunnywind> hello
[01:56] <sunnywind> someone must connect to my pc, but i'm behind nat... and on fbsd machine with realvnc i've got vncconnect but in realvnc from realvnc.com i couldn;t find it
[01:56] <kakalto> thanks thoreauputic
[01:56] <saik0> HUZZAH! thank you xfs_check
[01:56] <sunnywind> any ideas ?
[01:56] <chavo> crazydeb8r, you can put it in either if you want to install systemwide
[01:56] <brap> casimir: I might have it installed what's the pack name?  Package mananger says just about every gstreamer plugin is installed
[01:56] <karim> sunnywind, ssh tunneling
[01:56] <karim> ssh -R
[01:56] <crazydeb8r> chavo, alright, thanks. I appreciate it
[01:57] <karim> you can make appear your ssh port on an other host like if it's is own localport
[01:57] <sunnywind> karim: via putty ? that guy have windows machine
[01:57] <karim> lol
[01:57] <badtzmark> any one how do i add ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-i386 to sources.list
[01:57] <karim> hum
[01:57] <karim> sunnywind, I have heard that some windows ssh client can do that
[01:57] <karim> but cygwin can do that for sure
[01:58] <usual> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[01:58] <usual> i think
[01:58] <brap> My soundcard has been detected correctly intel8x0 and modules loaded.  I have intel8x0m in the hotplug blacklist file but when I try to play an mp3 with Music Player it will not play.  Any ideas?
[01:58] <karim> sunnywind, well in fact the pc on windows needs a ssh server, and cygwin have that
[01:58] <karim> good luck
[01:58] <thoreauputic> badtzmark: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats << full source info
[01:58] <geneo93> you need gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:59] <sunnywind> karim: he don't want to install all cygwin
[01:59] <karim> he don't have to install all cygwin
[01:59] <kakalto> badtzmark, what version of glibc does hoary use?
[01:59] <kakalto> woops
[01:59] <kakalto> not badtzmark
[01:59] <karim> can't he choose just the necessary ?
[01:59] <packetgod> Alright, time to wipe out RHEL (ok really Centos) and put on Hoary RC
[01:59] <sunnywind> i'm looking for simple solution with vncconnect, but thanks a lot for yours :)
[01:59] <kakalto> anyone, what version of glibc does hoary use?
[01:59] <badtzmark> kakalto: ?
[02:00] <karim> sunnywind, there is NO other ways if you are behind a nat
[02:00] <Akrame> http://cakram.free.fr/Capture.png Can someone help me with this ?
[02:00] <karim> NONE
[02:00] <goldfish> badtzmark: open /etc/apt/sources.list, add it in
[02:00] <karim> nada
[02:00] <karim> zero :)
[02:00] <packetgod> Anyone get VMWare to run on Hoary?
[02:00] <kakalto> badtzmark, sorry, my comp accidently entered your name
[02:00] <kakalto> I have autocomplete names on
[02:00] <badtzmark> no problem kakalto
[02:00] <smokinggun> casimir: I might have it installed what's the pack name?  Package mananger says just about every gstreamer plugin is installed
[02:00] <karim> packetgod, why bother ? there is qemu
[02:00] <badtzmark> goldfish: i did added it in
[02:00] <goldfish> k
[02:00] <packetgod> I own it, and its better
[02:00] <jeanjean> can anyone help i have no sound and no mouse on quake3 under ubuntu
[02:01] <karim> packetgod, have you tried kqemu ?
[02:01] <casimir> smokinggun, gstreamer-0.8-mad i think
[02:01] <packetgod> Heard about it, but that would also requre me to reinstall my virtual XP and I don't want to waste the time
[02:02] <smokinggun> casimir: That isnt installed, installing now
[02:02] <kakalto> is there a site that shows all of hoary's package versions?
[02:02] <thoreauputic> gstreamer0.8-mad actually (no hyphenbefore the 0.8)
[02:03] <saik0> thoreauputic, I got my settings! but my clock is broken >_<
[02:03] <thoreauputic> saik0: ah - broken or just showing the wrong time?
[02:04] <packetgod> Well, I'll make VMWare work and create a how-to on the proccess if it is difficult.
[02:04] <thoreauputic> saik0: BTW your quit message worked :)
[02:04] <lamont> packetgod: step 1) install vmware and the license.  step 2) run vmware
[02:05] <saik0> thoreauputic, broken "The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_ClockApplet". [note it was doing this before but I was more worried about the other problem] 
[02:05] <packetgod> Great!  Thanks lamont!
[02:05] <thoreauputic> saik0: ah well - at least the fsck helped, eh?
[02:05] <smokinggun> casimir: Now it plays the mp3 but no sound
[02:06] <saik0> thoreauputic, xfs_repair, had to read a few man pages to figure that one out
[02:06] <thoreauputic> smokinggun: you've checked alsamixer for muting?
[02:06] <karim> packetgod, you would probably need to reinstall yes
[02:06] <karim> there is automated installer  however
[02:06] <karim> with hacked XP
[02:07] <casimir> smokinggun, do you have an ogg file on hand to check if it's format or volume?
[02:07] <packetgod> Yeah, but I'm all fully licensed and I'm much too lazy to do a reinstall
[02:07] <goldfish> lol
[02:07] <smokinggun> casimir: nothing is muted and no I dont have an ogg file to try :/
[02:08] <kbrooks> OxDECAFBAD, .
[02:08] <kbrooks> OxDECAFBAD, .,
[02:08] <kbrooks> OxDECAFBAD, .,.
[02:08] <kbrooks> OxDECAFBAD, .,.,
[02:08] <kbrooks> :P
[02:08] <goldfish> oh jesus
[02:08] <kbrooks> who is he
[02:08] <saik0> thoreauputic, hint, apparently the clock applet is'nt in the gnome-panel package. despite the obvious signs pointing to such a thing in tjhe desc >_<
[02:08] <OxDECAFBAD> hi
[02:08] <OxDECAFBAD> :)
[02:08] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: keep to the CoC please... ;)
[02:08] <kbrooks> sorry
[02:08] <thoreauputic> heheh
[02:09] <OxDECAFBAD> heh, its not all caps
[02:09] <OxDECAFBAD> the x is small
[02:09] <thoreauputic> true :)
[02:09] <atp14> Is it possible to upgarde to Hoary without CD?
[02:09] <jono> hi all
[02:09] <apokryphos> atp14: course
[02:09] <OxDECAFBAD> and OxDecafBad doesnt look as hexy as OxDECAFBAD
[02:09] <apokryphos> atp14: With Apt.
[02:10] <kbrooks> oh
[02:10] <kbrooks> OxDECAFBAD, and decaf is bad because?
[02:10] <OxDECAFBAD> because theres no caffiene?
[02:10] <warhead> hello
[02:10] <warhead> I have litle problem
[02:10] <saik0> Nooooo thoreauputic has gone to the dark side
[02:10] <kbrooks> heh
[02:10] <T|-|0R34uPu7|c> saik0: hehe
[02:10] <warhead> hdparm -d 1 /dev/dvd
[02:10] <Chipzz> LOL planet.gnome.org :) *g*
[02:10] <atp14> apokryphos, but  I wont be knowing any new hoary related packages. So ?
[02:10] <warhead> HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[02:11] <warhead> what is problem?
[02:11] <Flonne> T|-|0R34uPu7|c, your nick has inspired me.
[02:11] <kakalto> hehe
[02:11] <apokryphos> atp14: sorry?
[02:11] <apokryphos> atp14: see www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/guidetohoary
[02:11] <packetgod> decaf is bad because you can spell it in hex (very nice nick btw)
[02:11] <atp14> apokryphos, ahh nice, thank you
[02:11] <OxDECAFBAD> :)
[02:11] <apokryphos> np
[02:12] <Flonne> You can also spell FACADE.
[02:12] <OxDECAFBAD> DEADBEEF
[02:12] <packetgod> BADBEEF
[02:12] <kbrooks> FACADE
[02:12] <kbrooks> :p
[02:12] <kbrooks> oh
[02:12] <OxDECAFBAD> B00B135
[02:12] <kbrooks> leetness
[02:12] <packetgod> FEEDBEEF
[02:13] <Akrame> http://cakram.free.fr/Capture.png Can someone help me with this ?
[02:13] <chillywilly> UGUYZARELAME
[02:13] <atp14> apokryphos, the steps seems to be simple ... Thats nice to know ..:)
[02:13] <apokryphos> atp14: Yup, generally. :) Let me know if you have any problems...
[02:13] <packetgod> lame != geeky
[02:13] <saik0> does anybody know what package the gnome clock applet is located?
[02:13] <karim> dtc
[02:14] <Jimbob> saik0: gnome-panel
[02:14] <kkathman> apokryphos, hey there, how are you today :)
[02:14] <geneo93> i think it part of gnome-pannel'
[02:14] <saik0> Jimbob, hmm I reinstalled that....time to kill X and pray
[02:14] <atp14> Hey, I appreaciate that extra help :) WOW
[02:14] <apokryphos> kkathman: Hi :). Yup, I'm good -- no complaints. And yourself?
[02:14] <Jimbob> saik0: "killall gnome-panel"
[02:14] <atp14> apokryphos, now april 1st joke right?
[02:15] <atp14> s/now/not
[02:15] <kkathman> apokryphos, I am well, learning and thriving ..thanks for asking :)
[02:15] <geneo93> ctrl alt backspace
[02:15] <apokryphos> atp14: No. :)
[02:15] <saik0> Jimbob, that makes my windows act funny, but I guess it'll tell me wheether or not the clock is fixed
[02:15] <apokryphos> kkathman: live and learn, then die and forget it all. :P
[02:16] <thoreauputic> $ dpkg -S gnome-clock
[02:16] <thoreauputic> gnome-panel-data: /usr/share/pixmaps/gnome-clock.png
[02:16] <thoreauputic> saik0: try gnome-panel-data ?
[02:16] <kkathman> apokryphos, well said, my dad raised me to say "if you arent learning you're dead"
[02:16] <Jimbob> thoreauputic: But the actual binary is (IIRC) /usr/lib/gnome-panel/clock_applet
[02:17] <apokryphos> kkathman: A wise man by the sounds of it, to be sure. :)
[02:17] <thoreauputic> Jimbob: hmm OK I'll try dpkg -S on that
[02:17] <thoreauputic> Jimbob: not found :(
[02:18] <Jimbob> dpkg -L gnome-panel | grep clock --> /usr/lib/gnome-panel/clock-applet
[02:18] <kkathman> apokryphos, indeed he is, and at 88 he's still kicking, and just published a book in fact :)
[02:18] <saik0> thoreauputic, broke. but it gave me this Resolved address "xml::/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults" to a writable configuration source at position 0
[02:18] <smokinggun> casimir: no dice with ogg either
[02:18] <saik0> my poor partition =(
[02:18] <Jimbob> warhead: Run that as root
[02:18] <kakalto> what version of libc6 does hoary use?
[02:18] <apokryphos> kkathman: wow; excellent stuff. What on?
[02:19] <ska-fan> Hmm, Ubuntu is addicting.
[02:19] <warhead> Jimbob: I run that with root acc...
[02:19] <kakalto> ya
[02:19] <casimir> smokinggun, and you ran alsamixer and the modules are loaded correctly
[02:19] <smokinggun> casimir: yes
[02:19] <Jimbob> warhead: You mean when you already run it as root and got "Operation not permitted"?
[02:19] <EvilIdler> Anyone have any idea why my system refuses to acknowledge the existence of GLX? NVidia's "nvidia" module is loaded, libraries in the right place, but no program wants to run, claiming there is no GLX support.
[02:20] <apokryphos> kakalto: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/ :)
[02:20] <kakalto> cheers
[02:20] <thoreauputic> saik0: dpkg -S says it *is* part of gnome-panel
[02:20] <saik0> thoreauputic, is there a way to reinstall ALL pacakges
[02:20] <alt3rim> hi
[02:20] <warhead> Jimbob: Yes
[02:20] <alt3rim> i'm having probs with synaptic
[02:20] <apokryphos> alt3rim: what's the problem?
[02:20] <alt3rim> i check an item in the repository list then click ok
[02:20] <kkathman> apokryphos, My dad was a POW in WW2, and was on the Bataan Death March...he just wrote a book on his experiences
[02:20] <alt3rim> then i go back into the list and it's unchecked
[02:20] <Jimbob> warhead: Well, it's likely either your drivers or BIOS or the drive itself doesn't support DMA.
[02:21] <alt3rim> any ideas?
[02:21] <thoreauputic> saik0: try apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop ?
[02:21] <geneo93> EvilIdler:  nvidia-glx-config enable
[02:21] <apokryphos> alt3rim: what's the error message? There should be one...
[02:21] <alt3rim> no error message comes up
[02:21] <apokryphos> kkathman: Woah. Yup, he must have seen a few things...
[02:21] <warhead> Jimbob: My DVD-RW work in WinXP with DMA
[02:21] <apokryphos> alt3rim: ok, what's the package name/
[02:21] <alt3rim> hmm?
[02:21] <EvilIdler> geneo93: I've done that manually - it just means adding the right driver in the config. I've used NVidia's official drivers since the first release, so I know about that part :)
[02:21] <alt3rim> i never mentioned package name
[02:21] <Jimbob> warhead: Assuming that Windows isn't just pretending it does...
[02:22] <apokryphos> alt3rim: which is why I said, what is the package name?
[02:22] <kkathman> apokryphos, absolutely, he got married just 2 years ago...found his wife over the internet. Go figure :)
[02:22] <alt3rim> i go Settings > Repositories
[02:22] <apokryphos> kkathman: Old dog with new tricks? ;-)
[02:22] <EvilIdler> geneo93: I've been googling for two days now, and just reinstalled a clean Ubuntu/Hoary. I'm not alone in having the problem :/
[02:22] <alt3rim> check, say, the first repository, click OK
[02:22] <geneo93> EvilIdler:  then your screwed
[02:22] <alt3rim> it tells me i need to refresh so i do
[02:22] <saik0> thoreauputic, with the execption of the 2 apps I built from source everything on this partition is in the repos, everything else in on my /home. so I figure reinstalling everything would fix any problems I'm bound to encouter in the future after moderate corruption. no?
[02:22] <apokryphos> alt3rim: ohhh, not the package. Right
[02:22] <alt3rim> then no packages are added
[02:22] <warhead> Jimbob: Ok, under Debian 3.1 Sarge, My DVD-RW is work with DMA
[02:22] <EvilIdler> geneo93: NVidia hates me for not buying the latest and greatest :P
[02:22] <apokryphos> alt3rim: of course. You have to "Reload" first. :)
[02:22] <^thehatsrule^> how come my apt-get update didnt work?
[02:23] <alt3rim> and i go back into the repositories and it' unchecked itself
[02:23] <smokinggun> Can anyone help with a sound problem?
[02:23] <kkathman> apokryphos, Yeah he's outlived 2 other wives, and he turns to "adult friend finder" to find a new mate.. now thats having a positive attitude :)
[02:23] <apokryphos> ^thehatsrule^: what's the error message?
[02:23] <alt3rim> so how can i actually refresh
[02:23] <kakalto> how did someone with hoary get a package working, when the package requires libc6 v 2.3.4, which isn't available for hoary
[02:23] <kakalto> did he go experimental on us?
[02:23] <geneo93> EvilIdler:  i have mine working fine with 6629 driver
[02:23] <EvilIdler> "OpenGL GLX extension not supported by display ':0.0'" <- big, fat lie
[02:23] <^thehatsrule^> er... i forgot :/
[02:23] <geneo93> hoary
[02:23] <apokryphos> alt3rim: manually edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and check if it's there, make sure it's uncommented. i.e. no "#" before it
[02:23] <alt3rim> so its a synaptic bug?
[02:23] <apokryphos> kkathman: Good to hear it's panning out for him. :)
[02:24] <alt3rim> not properly talking to sources.list
[02:24] <apokryphos> alt3rim: probably not...
[02:24] <EvilIdler> geneo93: I've tried 6629, 7167 and 7174. 66.29 doesn't even compile if I use official NVidia installer :/
[02:24] <geneo93> EvilIdler:  did you restartx
[02:24] <saik0> kakalto, happen to be talking about GIMPshop?
[02:24] <apokryphos> alt3rim: if you're entering something wrong, if it's enabled elsewhere.. could be several reasons for why it would possibly do that
[02:24] <kakalto> saik0, absolutely
[02:24] <EvilIdler> geneo93: Restarted, rebooted, recompiled kernels, now running a fresh stock kernel and fresh Ubuntu in general
[02:24] <EvilIdler> geneo93: This time with just nvidia-glx* packages and related modules
[02:24] <saik0> kakalto, I built it from source and everything I needed was in the repos
[02:24] <geneo93> EvilIdler:  use the one ubuntu supplys
[02:25] <thoreauputic> saik0: worth a try I guess
[02:25] <goldfish> rofl
[02:25] <EvilIdler> geneo93: Yes, that's what I seem to be doing
[02:25] <goldfish> gmail - infinity + 1 storage is cool
[02:25] <kakalto> saik0, I heard about another person who got the rpm, alien'd it into deb, then installed it, and it worked
[02:25] <geneo93> apt-get install nvidia-glx is all you need
[02:25] <smokinggun> goldfish: lol
[02:26] <kakalto> saik0, I tried to build it from source, but I couldn't - needed some package or other
[02:26] <EvilIdler> geneo93: And that's all I did this time around. No GLX, even though the X.org log claims GLX and nvidia is loaded just fine. The system log isn't reporting anything funny.
[02:26] <saik0> kakalto, yep requires quite a few development packages to build, it's all documented though
[02:26] <kakalto> hrm
[02:27] <saik0> kakalto, it required 2.2.4 not 2.3.4 if Imy memory serves me right
[02:27] <kakalto> uhh okay
[02:27] <kakalto> let me just check
[02:27] <PoisynLylac> hey i can't get the LiveCD to detect my cdrom once i'm in the install... any suggestions??
[02:27] <smokinggun> Can anyone help with a sound problem?
[02:28] <kakalto> saik0, gimp: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3.4' not found (required by gimp)
[02:28] <thoreauputic> smokinggun: I only help with unsound problems ;-)
[02:28] <geneo93> EvilIdler:  what kernel you booting
[02:28] <saik0> kakalto, install libc6-dev
[02:28] <casimir> are there any known issues with the .deb 6629 nvidia, the .deb 2.6.10 and the GeForceGo chipsets?
[02:28] <kakalto> saik0, already installed
[02:29] <kakalto> saik0, that provides version 2.3.2
[02:29] <EvilIdler> geneo93: 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic, plus the accompanying restricted modules needed for NVidia
[02:29] <kakalto> 2.3.4 is experimental
[02:30] <saik0> kakalto, what version of GIMPshop are you trying to build?
[02:31] <kakalto> saik0, uhm, I got the source off codemills
[02:31] <nydust> do any one here use ubuntu as an serever=
[02:31] <nydust> ?
[02:31] <geneo93> EvilIdler:  i'm not that far advanced here just smp p3's
[02:31] <Akrame> http://cakram.free.fr/Capture.png Can someone help me with this ?
[02:32] <Flonne> casimir, some... but they're entirely related to nVidia, not the kernel.
[02:32] <kakalto> saik0, 2.2.4?
[02:32] <casimir> Flonne, as always ;)
[02:32] <EvilIdler> geneo93: Judging from the Google results, I suspect it's an issue with certain chipsets from NVidia :/
[02:32] <geneo93> casimir:  thats right because mine works fine
[02:32] <EvilIdler> geneo93: The strange thing is I had perfectly fine 3D two days ago, when I ran Debian
[02:32] <Flonne> What sort of problems casimir?
[02:33] <packetgod> Akrame: Je ne parle pa francaise
[02:33] <geneo93> i have 440 mmx 64
[02:33] <Akrame> packetgod , the problem is not the language
[02:33] <Akrame> the problem is that the font is too small
[02:33] <Akrame> :(
[02:33] <kakalto> saik0: ?
[02:33] <casimir> Flonne, it's a bit elusive, when I start X with the nvidia module in my xorg.conf I get a black screen and I can't get to my VTs
[02:34] <EvilIdler> Mine's a GeForce Ti 4800SE8X, which has served me well so far. I have an FX5x00 I can try if I can muster up the energy :/
[02:34] <^thehatsrule^> FX5x00?
[02:34] <saik0> kakalto, thats the version i built, and the documentation clearly states You need to have installed GTK+ version 2.4.4 or better.
[02:34] <casimir> Flonne, XOrg.0.log looks like it stops abruptly, and /var/log/messages doesn't show anything abnormal
[02:34] <Flonne> casimir, that sounds a little like the error requiring a downgrade to the 6112 driver. nVidia may have fixed it with the 7xxx series, but I haven't heard enough to cay anything for sure.
[02:34] <Flonne> say*
[02:35] <geneo93> damn programing screws up your spelling
[02:35] <casimir> Flonne, that's how I've fixed it in the past, but I'm not sure how debian handles that with the linux-restricted-modules packages
[02:35] <saik0> kakalto, i apologize, the package you want is libglib2.0-dev
[02:36] <casimir> Flonne, would that require pinning my kernel and linux-restricted-modules packages?
[02:36] <kakalto> saik0, thanks
[02:36] <Flonne> casimir, I'd suggest grabbing the kernel source headers package, then manually building the nvidia kernel stuff based on the packages on their site; doing that shouldn't mess up the restricted modules.
[02:36] <Akrame> please , my font are too small , i can't read it , what should i do ? http://cakram.free.fr/Capture.png - Screenshot - help me
[02:36] <saik0> kakalto, yep sorry about the confusion
[02:36] <kakalto> ok
[02:36] <kakalto> s' alright
[02:36] <kakalto> saik0, then what?
[02:37] <saik0> kakalto, read the file called INSTALL in the tarball
[02:37] <i2oboDude> hey
[02:37] <casimir> Flonne, yeah, normally I think I'd just build my own kernel, but I'm trying to stick to the debian ways of doing things
[02:38] <kakalto> saik0, thanks
[02:38] <Akrame> please , my font are too small , i can't read it , what should i do ? http://cakram.free.fr/Capture.png - Screenshot - help me
[02:38] <casimir> Flonne, I'll try the nvidia-installer method
[02:38] <Zizzencs> Akrame: use control center, find fonts and select a bigger one
[02:38] <saik0> How would i revert back to the previous nvidia-glx?
[02:38] <kkathman> Akrame, you can change fonts quite readibly
[02:39] <kkathman> Akrame, sorry, readily I mean
[02:39] <Akrame> how
[02:39] <kkathman> Akrame, what desktop manager are you running?
[02:39] <Akrame> Gnome
[02:39] <Akrame> ( see the screenshot )
[02:39] <saik0> it differes from the nvidia-kenrel-common and really breaks it
[02:39] <casimir> saik0, there's a good article on package pinning, search for that
[02:39] <kkathman> Akrame, I think if you go to Applications and Configuration Manager, you should find what you need
[02:40] <scott> is there any way to see what hte last packages were that I installed with apt?
[02:41] <odo> hmm, strange, about 2 seconds after I get gnome started, X just freezes to a state where hard reboot is only option :/
[02:41] <apokryphos> scott: from synaptic?
[02:41] <apokryphos> scott: as in, did you install with synaptic?
[02:41] <scott> apokryphos, nope, apt
[02:41] <kkathman> Akrame, I'd help more, but I am on KDE now, so I cant walk you through it precisely
[02:41] <apokryphos> scott: then just press up-arrow...
[02:42] <kakalto> saik0, it says GTK+ isn't properly installed
[02:42] <Zizzencs> i would like to use the fglrx driver with xcomposite. is it possible to tell xorg not to disable dri?
[02:42] <saik0> casimir, pinning is to keep packages you currently have correct? Unfortunetly I already updated
[02:42] <Fackamato> If I edit my xorg.conf (hoary) to include resolutions up to 1600x1200 (I only have up to 1280x960 now), how can I make the virtual viewspace to 1280x960?
[02:42] <kakalto> saik0?
[02:42] <Flonne> scott, grep "apt-get install" ~/.bashconfig | tail --lines=1
[02:43] <Fackamato> Because if I select 1280x960, the virtual viewport is still 1600x1200 (max res found in xorg.conf )
[02:43] <black_Nightmare> hey there again
[02:43] <saik0> kakalto, msg what the ./configure spat at you
[02:43] <icarus> Akranme, try system-preferences-font
[02:43] <kakalto> msg saik0 checking for GTK+ - version >= 2.4.4... no
[02:43] <kakalto> *** Could not run GTK+ test program, checking why...
[02:43] <kakalto> *** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the
[02:43] <kakalto> *** exact error that occured. This usually means GTK+ is incorrectly installed.
[02:43] <kakalto> configure: error: Test for GTK+ failed. See the file 'INSTALL' for help.
[02:43] <kakalto> woops
[02:43] <Flonne> Er...
[02:43] <kakalto> sorry guys
[02:43] <Flonne> scott, grep "apt-get install" ~/.bash_history | tail --lines=1
[02:43] <Flonne> Long day. Sorry about that.
[02:43] <kakalto> *** Could not run GTK+ test program, checking why...
[02:43] <kakalto> *** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the
[02:43] <kakalto> *** exact error that occured. This usually means GTK+ is incorrectly installed.
[02:43] <kakalto> configure: error: Test for GTK+ failed. See the file 'INSTALL' for help.
[02:44] <ska-fan> Hmm, ubuntu doesn't recognize the blank cd in my burner - what's up?
[02:46] <reggansa> o
[02:51] <dcahrakos> is there any help files to get ubuntu to dual boot with windows XP/
[02:52] <EvilIdler> dcahrakos: Look for a GRUB HOWTO, or something
[02:52] <dcahrakos> ok, thanks
[02:53] <universal> does someone know about printersharing on ubuntu?
[02:53] <bestadvocate> hey you guys check out slashdot today? its fun!
[02:53] <bestadvocate> oh and does anyone know why nautilus is closing windows as if I had middle clicked it open instead of leaving both windows open?
[02:54] <EvilIdler> Slashdot today is the least useful site ever :/
[02:54] <fissy> are those stories not real?
[02:54] <bestadvocate> fissy what _is_ real?
[02:54] <goldfish> http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=4799
[02:54] <goldfish> ^^
[02:54] <goldfish> OMG
[02:55] <fissy> thought bestadvocate
[02:55] <EvilIdler> Every story today is fake, which I guess is better than every story being a dupe..
[02:55] <universal> printersharing is someone familiar with that?
[02:55] <bestadvocate> fissy: not in my case :-0
[02:55] <EvilIdler> universal: I've tried it *once* with Samba.
[02:56] <universal> ok, and it worked?
[02:56] <bestadvocate> so does anyone know how to fix nautilus? is this a common problem? a new default setting?
[02:56] <EvilIdler> universal: Above expectations.
[02:56] <EvilIdler> universal: What are you sharing from and to?
[02:57] <bestadvocate> godlfish: i like the one from Opera on P2P
[02:57] <bestadvocate> (goldfish rather)
[02:57] <goldfish> huh?
[02:57] <universal> EvilIdler, im trying to share my printer from ubuntu to another ubuntu dist on a laptop
[02:57] <nydust> how do i mount a scsi drive in consol?
[02:57] <EvilIdler> universal: Using CUPS?
[02:57] <bestadvocate> goldfish: this article http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2005/04/01/
[02:57] <universal> EvilIdler, dont know what that is
[02:58] <goldfish> oh
[02:58] <goldfish> :)
[02:58] <^thehatsrule^> nydust... tyr mount /mnt/sda# ?
[02:58] <^thehatsrule^> try*
[02:58] <EvilIdler> universal: Start with "apt-get install cupsys cupsys-client", then visit http://cups.org
[02:58] <universal> EvilIdler, is that something i need to ....
[02:59] <universal> EvilIdler, ok
[02:59] <EvilIdler> universal: CUPS is basically the only non-headache way to use printers on Linux nowadays :P
[02:59] <EvilIdler> universal: What printer is it?
[02:59] <fissy> bestadvocate, that weird nautilus behaiviour has just started happening to me
[02:59] <fissy> bestadvocate, or at least, i've just started noticing it
[02:59] <universal> EvilIdler, i allready have it installed
[03:00] <universal> EvilIdler, i have a hp 880c
[03:00] <EvilIdler> universal: HP should be pretty well supported, then
[03:00] <nydust> ^thehatsrule^, it ask for filesystem
[03:00] <bestadvocate> fissy: i think they messed with the default behavior without telling again :-C
[03:00] <bestadvocate> this is just like when they disabled applications:///
[03:01] <fissy> the applications:/// thing was a gnome-wide removal
[03:01] <fissy> I think this is Ubuntu breaking nautilus
[03:01] <bestadvocate> fissy: perhaps your right
[03:01] <darmou> does anyone know how to do a recursive grep?
[03:02] <EvilIdler> darmou: rgrep
[03:02] <darmou> cool thanks:)
[03:02] <dabeej> applications:/// sucked
[03:02] <nydust> how do i get a list over my scsi dev?
[03:02] <dabeej> im glad it's gone
[03:03] <Burgundavia> fissy: that is something that in Ubuntu specific
[03:03] <Burgundavia> fissy: if you don't like it, please report to http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8516
[03:03] <bestadvocate> fissy: do you think in the configuration editor that the option windows_always_new in aps/nautilus/prefrences will change it?
[03:04] <Burgundavia> bestadvocate: should
[03:04] <Burgundavia> bestadvocate: there is also a patch to the mailing list to add something to the gui about it
[03:05] <fissy> bestadvocate, I don't think so, it suggests opening up new files
[03:05] <Burgundavia> the functionality behind applications:/// was good, just the actual thing itself sucked
[03:05] <bestadvocate> Burgundavia: patch to the mailing list?
[03:05] <Burgundavia> there is a gconf setting
[03:05] <Burgundavia> bestadvocate: read ubuntu-devel
[03:05] <bestadvocate> k
[03:05] <fissy> the new way is incredibly annoying
[03:05] <Burgundavia> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-April/006462.html
[03:05] <Burgundavia> fissy: then say so on that bug
[03:06] <fissy> if i want to close my way behind me I can middle click
[03:06] <fissy> bah, have to go through signing up for bugzilla because they're fools
[03:06] <Burgundavia> ok
[03:06] <Burgundavia> then fire an email to ubuntu about it
[03:06] <Burgundavia> if you say nothing that it won't change
[03:06] <Burgundavia> s/that/then
[03:07] <odysseus1> whats the meaning of  6. sudocp-a*/usrin http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/EclipseSubversion
[03:07] <fissy> Burgundavia, is there a standard email address, something like usability@ubuntu.com?
[03:07] <Burgundavia> hmm
[03:08] <dabeej> i like how it is now
[03:08] <Burgundavia> fissy: the forums already can post to the mailng list
[03:08] <bestadvocate> i wouldent mind so much if middle click emulated the old functionality but....
[03:08] <nydust> how do i mount my scsi cdrom to /media/cdrom?
[03:08] <dabeej> i get tired of closing nautilus windows
[03:08] <bestadvocate> oh hey it does
[03:08] <nydust> how can i see what /dev/??? it has
[03:08] <geneo93> gee my kids going to love this freecraft
[03:08] <Burgundavia> dabeej: I agree the old way wasn't perfect, but at least it was more usable
[03:08] <dabeej> bestadvocate, or shift click
[03:09] <dabeej> Burgundavia, middle click or shift click
[03:09] <dabeej> it's not that hard
[03:09] <Burgundavia> dabeej: they are not discoverable
[03:09] <dabeej> and there is an option to put it back
[03:09] <dabeej> it was documented
[03:09] <bestadvocate> Burgundavia: this thing theya re talking about on ubuntu-dev, is it supposed to already be there or comming soon?
[03:09] <Burgundavia> bestadvocate: is a patch that was just cooked up
[03:09] <Burgundavia> dabeej: still not discoverable. different from documented
[03:09] <dabeej> to put it back is not cooked up
[03:09] <dabeej> discoverable
[03:09] <dabeej> ?
[03:10] <dabeej> one, if it's documentd and a known change, how is that an issue
[03:10] <Burgundavia> you can find it without resorted to reading some bizarre doc
[03:10] <dabeej> it's not bizarre
[03:10] <Burgundavia> if I sit down at an Ubuntu machine with no experience, how am I going to find out about middle click or shift click?
[03:11] <dabeej> it's not just ubuntu
[03:11] <Burgundavia> this specific patch to close windows is Ubuntu
[03:11] <saik0> is there a way to apt --reinstall --install all packages?
[03:11] <dabeej> you learn the desktop environment before you just run into it
[03:11] <Burgundavia> I can show you the change log
[03:11] <Burgundavia> dabeej: right, ah no
[03:11] <sterwill> Anyone here using Ubuntu on a PowerPC?  I'm thinking of replacing Debian testing on my G3 PowerBook with the Hoary RC.
[03:11] <dabeej> showing me the change log proves nothing
[03:12] <Burgundavia> ok
[03:12] <dabeej> i just came from a distro w/ the same behavior
[03:12] <Burgundavia> well we will have to agree to disagree then
[03:12] <Burgundavia> dabeej: which one?
[03:12] <geneo93> saik0:  try ubuntu-desktop
[03:12] <dabeej> does it matter, but since you care it was SuSE
[03:12] <fissy> You can set "/apps/nautilus/preferences/no_ubuntu_spatial" to get the previous spatial behaviour.    --- gah, that key doesn't exist
[03:12] <Burgundavia> ok
[03:12] <Burgundavia> just wondering
[03:13] <fissy> they think new users will like it because its more like windows - in my experience thats *not* true
[03:13] <dabeej> are you all using warty?
[03:13] <Burgundavia> dabeej: ok, so I sit down at a machine and open a subfolder. Then I want to move back "up" the tree
[03:13] <Burgundavia> dabeej: no, hoary
[03:13] <dabeej> let me get this straight
[03:13] <Burgundavia> ok
[03:13] <dabeej> you use something marked unstable where they do testing
[03:13] <dabeej> and you complain about something like that
[03:14] <dabeej> don't you think that's silly
[03:14] <Burgundavia> no
[03:14] <saik0> geneo93, nope thats rue not what I want to do. i mean reinstall all install packages
[03:14] <fissy> there was a feature freeze weeks ago and they're still fucking about with major desktop functionality
[03:14] <Burgundavia> I run the unstable so I can influence the development
[03:14] <fissy> that is silly
[03:14] <dabeej> i believe so, what do you want a huge freaking WARNING message to pop up on start
[03:14] <Burgundavia> no
[03:14] <Burgundavia> dabeej: what I am saying is the current decision to change this is very usable
[03:14] <fissy> and they're suggested way of changing it back doesn't work
[03:14] <Burgundavia> dabeej: this is a development discussion
[03:14] <fissy> their
[03:15] <kbrooks> Burgundavia, ... what's your namer
[03:15] <Burgundavia> kbrooks: ? Corey Burger, why?
[03:15] <dabeej> you were complaining earlier about
[03:15] <dabeej> then not letting you know
[03:15] <Burgundavia> no
[03:15] <kbrooks> never heard of corey burger
[03:15] <dabeej> how was they suppose to let you know
[03:15] <Burgundavia> I am not complaining about them letting us know
[03:15] <dabeej> Burgundavia dabeej: still not discoverable. different from documented
[03:15] <dabeej> what did you mean then?
[03:16] <fissy> I am
[03:16] <Burgundavia> dabeej: I am saying that the change they made is not a discoverable thing, in my view
[03:16] <fissy> if they were going to do this they should have tried it 3 months ago not a week before release
[03:16] <dabeej> to me it is discoverable, you saw it had a new behavior
[03:16] <Burgundavia> and what fissy says
[03:16] <Burgundavia> it did
[03:16] <Burgundavia> but I didn't know how to get a window to stay open
[03:16] <dabeej> hoary is unstable
[03:16] <dabeej> changes can happen and will happen
[03:16] <Burgundavia> dabeej: yes, I recognize taht
[03:16] <nydust> how do i see if my scsi card is installed in consol?
[03:16] <fissy> hoary is at the release candidate stage
[03:17] <sterwill> Does anyone know of any good places to find Ubuntu PPC info?
[03:17] <dabeej> RC isn't final
[03:17] <Burgundavia> dabeej: I am talking about I am unhappy with this change and I am talking about having a discussion about changing it back
[03:17] <sterwill> My PowerBook is pretty old, so hardware support should be OK.  I wonder what the supported boot loader configs are.
[03:17] <fissy> its going to be released in the next week, and they've made the biggest change to gnome there has been since spatial folders were put in in the first place
[03:17] <geneo93> RC is debugging stage
[03:18] <fissy> not a feature changing stage, as their own roadmap shows
[03:18] <Burgundavia> dabeej: I am perfectly happy running a development version because that is what I am doing
[03:18] <Burgundavia> dabeej: talking and doing developemtn
[03:18] <dabeej> RC is depending on what they want to call it stage
[03:18] <dabeej> i don't know why people think RC means debugging fix bug stage automatically
[03:19] <dabeej> i'm tired of this conversation
[03:19] <Burgundavia> dabeej: uh, generally when you are about to release, you freeze in slow stages, so that it is easier to find and fix problems
[03:19] <dabeej> if you odn't like it, mail them, but don't say they are doing something illegal or something
[03:19] <dabeej> you are using hoary
[03:19] <Burgundavia> ?
[03:19] <fissy> why not change the default desktop to kde while they're at it, after all its not a final release *rolls eyes*
[03:19] <dabeej> when you use hoary
[03:19] <dabeej> your system can break
[03:19] <Burgundavia> I never said they are doing something illegal
[03:19] <Burgundavia> dabeej: we are not communicating here
[03:20] <geneo93> dabeej:  i think your full of it
[03:20] <dabeej> i think you all are too hard on ubuntu
[03:20] <Burgundavia> geneo93: please remember the Ubuntu CoC
[03:20] <fissy> does anyone know a way of changing it back
[03:20] <Burgundavia> dabeej: no, I am not too hard. I am part of the development team (docteam and working with packaging)
[03:20] <dabeej> right
[03:20] <dabeej> good
[03:21] <dabeej> i think changes to gnome, (to me a needed change) is good
[03:21] <brap> Anyone know what the weather thing is in this sshot http://madpenguin.org/images/reviews/ubuntu504/updatemgr.png?
[03:21] <kevman> Hello!
[03:21] <dabeej> maybe we are misunderstanding
[03:21] <paolo> Hi guys! I want to mount a nfs share, "/etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start" ends ok, but in /var/log/messages" a "RPC: failed to contact portmap (errno -5)" message appears. And actually I can't mount the nfs share on the client. I have the nfs module loaded, I have modified /etc/exports. What the hell is the I have problem with portmap? Thank you!
[03:21] <Burgundavia> brap: that is a gdesklet, if I don't miss my guess
[03:21] <Burgundavia> dabeej: ok, we disagree about this change
[03:21] <dabeej> i didn't say it's illegal, i was just trying to give a point of wrongdoing
[03:21] <geneo93> Burgundavia:  and you think this troll dont have a negative additude
[03:22] <dabeej> geneo93, how am i troll
[03:22] <Burgundavia> geneo93: no they don't. We had a misunderstanding and he has a different opinion
[03:22] <dabeej> forget about it
[03:22] <housetier> paolo have you started portmap and nfs-common as well?
[03:22] <sterwill> paolo:  I don't have any ubuntu machines, but on Debian machines, that usually means portmap needs started.
[03:22] <kevman> Hi, I'm getting this error trying to run Epsxe:
[03:22] <kevman> libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directoryk
[03:22] <Burgundavia> do not label someone a troll because they disagree with you on a topic
[03:22] <kevman> But, I apt-getted libstdc++6....
[03:23] <CHaiNS> anybody gotten perl xmms to work????
[03:23] <kevman> It didn't install a file called that...
[03:23] <sterwill> I'm just looking for a distribution that works exactly like Debian, but has a development team/plan that actually releases more than once per decade.
[03:23] <apokryphos> sterwill: look no further
[03:23] <paolo> housetier: the packet nfs-common is installed, I think the service should be running too... "rpcinfo -p" gives me various pormapper actives.
[03:23] <sterwill> I have a bunch of woody servers at work, but I can't even count on the Debian security team for a secure kernel.
[03:23] <geneo93> Burgundavia:  i do that naturely when someone croses the grain of a good thing
[03:24] <sterwill> I have to use backports.org packages just to support some modern services.
[03:24] <dabeej> Burgundavia, this is coming from a person who hated debian w/ a passion
[03:24] <dabeej> =)
[03:24] <geneo93> yeah me
[03:24] <Burgundavia> geneo93: please don't call someone a troll and insult them here
[03:25] <sterwill> apokryphos:  I've just downloaded the PPC Hoary installer ISO.  I'm going to burn it now.
[03:25] <housetier> paolo you can make sure by "invoke-rc.d portmap start" and "invoke-rc.d nfs-common start"
[03:25] <geneo93> i've always disliked debian
[03:25] <apokryphos> sterwill: cool :)
[03:25] <geneo93> until now
[03:25] <sterwill> I've always loved Debian, until they stopped releasing.
[03:25] <dabeej> i didn't, i lost my mp3's twice in debian and had a glibc issue
[03:25] <housetier> there is always #distrohate
[03:25] <dabeej> so i am blaming them, plus right now i was close to blaming debian for not having mono 1.1
[03:26] <CHaiNS> ok ill take that as a no
[03:26] <dabeej> but i can't blame "debian" por that
[03:26] <dabeej> for that
[03:26] <dabeej> if i really need mono, nothing stopping me from building it on my own
[03:26] <johnnybezak> will hoary have a graphical install?
[03:26] <dabeej> which im not gonna do =)
[03:27] <Burgundavia> johnnybezak: no
[03:27] <Burgundavia> dabeej: mono 1.1 is coming soon
[03:27] <arzajac> Is there anyone here from MOTU?
[03:27] <johnnybezak> is that slated for the badger or whatever the one after the headge hog?
[03:27] <mak> there seems to be a lot of info in the forums on dual monitors, anyone know where to start? i have a laptop and would like to add an external monitor to it
[03:27] <sterwill> I understand that woody is supposed to be almost static.  I love it for my servers at work because of that.  an apt-get upgrade should never break anything.  But these days, it seems ancient.
[03:27] <dabeej> ubuntu have their own package maintainerers for that?
[03:27] <Burgundavia> johnnybezak: I am really not certain
[03:27] <Burgundavia> dabeej: yes
[03:27] <dabeej> sweet
[03:28] <johnnybezak> ok
[03:28] <sterwill> Well, time to go backup everything on my laptop.
[03:28] <Burgundavia> dabeej: should make hoary
[03:29] <dabeej> Burgundavia, i hope so
[03:29] <dabeej> i can't wait till 1.2 either
[03:29] <dabeej> i wasn't to happy about mono at first
[03:29] <dabeej> but now i realize what benefits of having it will be
[03:30] <Burgundavia> mono is nice
[03:30] <i2oboDude> Hello, I just finished installing hoary... and instructed GRUB to install in the MBR...(SATA)... but it wont load the GRUB boot menu, just goes straight to winXP...
[03:30] <johnnybezak> i just can't wait till beagle is stable
[03:31] <i2oboDude> any ideas?
[03:31] <calc> i2oboDude: did it show a countdown timer that says to his esc?
[03:31] <casimir> I think beagle leaks pretty badly ATM
[03:31] <johnnybezak> and i can't wait till some of that awesome luminocity stuff gets into metacity
[03:32] <i2oboDude> calc, nope
[03:32] <calc> oh
[03:32] <Burgundavia> casimir: they have been doing a lot of work recently. Not having run it, I cannot say how much
[03:32] <i2oboDude> when it boots up it just boots winXP, as if GRUB was not installed in the MBR
[03:34] <geneo93> i2oboDude:  do you have livecd handy
[03:34] <i2oboDude> geneo93, i have the install cd...
[03:35] <i2oboDude> geneo93, hrm... i think i have a gentoo live cd around though
[03:35] <geneo93> to bad you cant get to menu on installer
[03:35] <helio7> what's the command to change your nick on irc?
[03:35] <casimir> Burgundavia, it looks like it could be really solid, again only from what I've seen of it
[03:36] <geneo93> helio7:  /nick nick
[03:36] <helio7> ty geneo93
[03:36] <libben> wtf, whos login gdm theme is this =)
[03:36] <crimsun> it's yours!
[03:36] <libben> who are these 3 new ppls ? =)
[03:37] <CHaiNS> i switched to kdm
[03:37] <CHaiNS> though its slow
[03:37] <crimsun> they are mark shuttleworth, james troup, and matt zimmerman
[03:37] <libben> Jeff Waugh creator of it ? =)
[03:38] <libben> Tobaco sky should make it to the official gdm theme
[03:38] <libben> the best
[03:38] <Burgundavia> libben: it is very nice eh?
[03:38] <saik0> libben, i'm an ubuntu whore, I 'ubuntuized' tobbaco sky
[03:40] <libben> saik0, so its u in the creators box then?
[03:41] <saik0> libben, huh? no I just changed the gnome logo to a black ubuntu logo and the "GNOME Desktop" next to it to read "ubuntu"
[03:44] <libben> saik0, ooh.. was bit fast on reading your text.
[03:44] <libben> hook me up with the pic please
[03:46] <bestadvocate>  i cant wait till mono works on amd64s in hoary
[03:46] <libben> Is it the xml file i edit for placing clock and host text?
[03:46] <bestadvocate> are they going to revert to old packages if it still wont build at release time?
[03:46] <hybrid>  is gimpshop any good?
[03:47] <housetier> kevman you found the package providing libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 yet?
[03:47] <LinuxJones> Hi everybody :)
[03:47] <crimsun> libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2: /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3
[03:47] <libben> saik0, finding the pic?
[03:47] <PacoBCN> hybrid, I couldn't install it
[03:47] <hybrid> ouch
[03:48] <kevman> housetier, I had to make a symlink to the newer version.
[03:48] <hybrid> what u runnin
[03:48] <kevman> I've moved on to another problem.
[03:48] <hybrid> hoary? x86?'
[03:48] <housetier> kevman install libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2
[03:48] <housetier> no symlinking needed :)
[03:49] <saik0> libben, was AFK, what exactly was it you wanted?
[03:49] <kevman> Too late :)
[03:49] <paolo> Hi guys! Why does the portmap packet run portmap with a "-i 127.0.0.1" parameter? This way it is impossible to use nfs!
[03:49] <libben> the pic that u altered for the logos
[03:49] <kevman> Now I'm dealing with a "XftDrawSetClip" error.
[03:49] <libben> just send me the whole tarball instead if u want =)
[03:49] <housetier> paolo someone must have touched /etc/defaults/portmap
[03:50] <crimsun> paolo: it's an effort to make Ubuntu secure by default
[03:50] <libben> housetier, remember me from like 2 hours ago?
[03:50] <libben> me moaning about alot of updating not working ? =)
[03:50] <housetier> libben can't say I do
[03:51] <paolo> crimsun: but this way I can't use nfs. Or is there a trick to use with this portmap config?
[03:51] <scott> anyone installed Entrance on ubuntu?
[03:51] <crimsun> paolo: comment out that line in /etc/default/portmap and restart portmap
[03:51] <paolo> crimsun: ok, thank you!
[03:52] <lewwy> how do i change my resolution on KDE?  Im locked into 640x480 and it really sucks ass
[03:53] <saik0> lewwy, uhh can you do it from the menu? System>Preferences>Screen Resolution
[03:53] <lewwy> System Preferences?
[03:53] <lewwy> wtf?
[03:53] <saik0> lewwy, doh! thats what I get for answering without reading the whole question, thats in gnome
[03:53] <lewwy> saik0, settings?
[03:54] <thanatosys> hey hey hey
[03:54] <thanatosys> has anyone seen this http://www.ohiohtcia.org/linuxintro-1.8.1.pdf
[03:54] <lewwy> argh screw this
[03:54] <thanatosys> its the law enforcement guide to linux
[03:55] <libben> saik0, dident seem to connect with you on the png file.... gonna test out if its me not being able to get dcc.
[03:55] <fissy> is there an ms corefonts package for ubuntu?
[03:55] <Burgundavia> fissy: yes
[03:55] <fissy> can you remember what its called off hand?
[03:56] <lewwy> ok, now GNOME isnt working
[03:56] <lewwy> right, how do i change my resolution in KDE?
[03:56] <fissy> msttcorefonts, found it
[03:56] <lewwy> im locked into 640x480 or 320x240
[03:57] <libben> lewwy, what does your xorg file says ?
[03:57] <lewwy> libben, that file is fine.  I have checked
[03:57] <apokryphos> lewwy: can you not use krandrtray? Does it not go higher?
[03:57] <codemonkey> has anyone run bastille on ubuntu?
[03:57] <mathmatt> hey someone named jeff waugh hijacked my login screen.  What is the path for the images available for the login screen?
[03:58] <mathmatt> some sort of april fools joke
[03:58] <libben> lewwy, do u have proper values for your monitor then ? i mean the vertical and horizontal values in there?
[03:58] <fissy> gdmsetup is a tool in the system menu mathmatt
[03:58] <lewwy> libben, im not entirely sure
[03:58] <libben> what monitor do u have?
[03:58] <lewwy> 19" Diamond View screen
[03:58] <libben> wich model
[03:58] <lewwy> capable of 2048x1536 @ 60HZ
[03:59] <apokryphos> lewwy: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:59] <lewwy> libben, i'd have to say im not entirely sure
[03:59] <mathmatt> fissy: thanks, but how do I manually add images to the gdmsetup options for login screens?
[03:59] <libben> if u look at the back of the monitor it will have a sticky that says something like.... well... mine is a dell 2128... so it has a number D2128
[04:00] <i2oboDude> can i have four primary partitions in one drive?
[04:00] <fissy> mathmatt, gdm-themes in synaptic has a small selection for you
[04:00] <fissy> install that package
[04:00] <Xeon3D> i2oboDude, yup
[04:00] <LinuxJones> mathmatt, Jeff Waugh  left Ubuntu to work for Microsoft on the "Get the Facts" initiative just today !!
[04:00] <i2oboDude> ok, so thats not it
[04:00] <mathmatt> fissy: after running updates, my login screen is gone and replaced with an image called "happy april fools" with three guys posing like the ubuntu trio
[04:01] <libben> saik0, are you behind firewall cause i could recive fine on another server with dcc.
[04:01] <i2oboDude> ummmm, what qould couse GRUB not to load at boot?
[04:01] <fissy> math
[04:01] <Flonne> Installing another OS after Ubuntu, i2oboDude.
[04:01] <mathmatt> LinuxJones: did anyone else get this April Fool installed on their system?
[04:01] <LinuxJones> :)
[04:01] <fissy> mathmatt, you can either change the theme like i said, or you can just wait until tomorrow when they'll update again i'm sure
[04:02] <Xeon3D> I did.
[04:02] <Xeon3D> but I changed it already
[04:02] <libben> who wanna update for the gdm theme ? tobaco sky forever =)
[04:02] <mathmatt> fissy: thanks i guess I should just admit a good joke when I see one
[04:02] <i2oboDude> Flonne, ubuntu was last
[04:03] <fissy> i didn't think it was bad :)
[04:03] <i2oboDude> could grub get confused if i have one SATA and an IDE?
[04:04] <mathmatt> Xeon3D: do you know the path for the login screen files?
[04:04] <Xeon3D> nope not really mathmatt  but I know how to change them.. :D
[04:04] <mathmatt> Xeon3D: drum roll
[04:04] <Xeon3D> mathmatt, u don't know?
[04:05] <libben> mathmatt, System, Administration, Login Screen
[04:05] <libben> there it is
[04:05] <Xeon3D> just go into System -> Adm
[04:05] <Xeon3D> bah
[04:05] <Xeon3D> i was just going to say that
[04:05] <Xeon3D> :P
[04:05] <libben> and click Install new theme.. =)
[04:05] <bestadvocate> http://distrowatch.com/ubuntu  click this link we are only 1 away from the top~!!!!!
[04:05] <libben> and go download this theme
[04:05] <mathmatt> Xeon3D: yes, but the screen I want is not in there
[04:05] <bestadvocate> Hazaah!
[04:05] <casimir> the newest login screen is excellent
[04:05] <libben> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/download.php?content=18178&id=1
[04:05] <libben> mathmatt,  http://www.gnome-look.org/content/download.php?content=18178&id=1
[04:05] <libben> best GDM theme ever... Login screen that is
[04:05] <libben> Tobaco sky
[04:06] <libben> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=18178
[04:06] <bestadvocate> ubuntu beats mandrake for everaz!
[04:06] <apokryphos> Distrowatch really actually means nothing... :)
[04:06] <fissy> that is very nice libben
[04:06] <bestadvocate> only 7th on the 1 year view too
[04:06] <dabeej> hmmm
[04:07] <dabeej> gnome mixer isn't working =/
[04:07] <libben> fissy, best login theme ever =)
[04:07] <bestadvocate> apokryphos: accept its good press cause of dudes who talk about it all the time like me :)
[04:07] <fissy> it doesn't have josie maran, still not bad though
[04:07] <apokryphos> heh
[04:08] <libben> fissy, well... i would upset my gf if i had that on login =)
[04:08] <dabeej> libben, we need more of those type
[04:09] <dabeej> im sick of ugly gdm themes
[04:09] <libben> yeah
[04:09] <libben> http://libben.fnutt.org/?m=2&dir=images/Isabel&imgname=Isabel014.jpg&single=1
[04:09] <libben> now make one of my gf please =)
[04:09] <libben> i have such bad paint talents =)
[04:09] <casimir> happy april first is the best gdm theme ever
[04:09] <libben> casimir, ;P
[04:10] <Flonne> Until next year, anyway. :)
[04:10] <casimir> just discovered that one after upgrading
[04:10] <jnc> :)
[04:10] <libben> damnit =) the site layout was better inte winxp =) *shhhh* hmm... gonna have to rewrite it so it fits ff more and linux =)
[04:11] <dabeej> libben, how do you install it /usr/share/gdm/themes
[04:11] <libben> u dont =)
[04:11] <dabeej> or is there a gui or something i can do as well
[04:11] <jdub> LinuxJones: ha ha
[04:11] <dabeej> no i mean the gdm theme
[04:11] <libben> just download the tarball, and then hit System, Admin, Login..
[04:11] <LinuxJones> jdub, traitor :)
[04:11] <libben> then klick Install New theme, and then select the tarball...
[04:12] <libben> dont forget to have the check box (circel one) checked =)
[04:12] <libben> cause clicking on it will only let u see it in preview... u need to click next to the text... so the box get marked
[04:12] <casimir> can we count on an ubuntu-calendar package similar to happy april first? ;)
[04:13] <xamdm> how to enable DMA on hoary at bootup ??
[04:13] <xamdm> ore do i have to build a init-script ??
[04:14] <saik0> xamdm /etc/hdparm.conf
[04:15] <libben> thinking of modding this as for gdm theme.... its me in the alps... the mood suits Ubuntu =) hmm....  http://libben.fnutt.org/?m=2&dir=images/Val%20Thorens/Stan&imgname=DSCN1035.JPG&single=1
[04:16] <Nekohayo> is there a linksys-related channel somewhere?
[04:17] <Dr_Aevil> libben: hehe, I've been to val thorens, was fun
[04:17] <xamdm> saik0, thx
[04:17] <noobuntu> how do, or more to the point, what do i need to add/install in Warty to get movie trailers to work besides w32codecs and gstreamer for streamtuner...i installed w32codecs ,but still can't get and movie trailers to play?
[04:18] <lewwy> hey guys, do any of youse want to suggest why LimeWire locks up at the "Loading Limewire" stage?
[04:18] <libben> Dr_Aevil, yeah .. was fun as hell... was their this year... in february...
[04:19] <rm6990> lewwy : how did u install limewire, from the "other" tarball or from the rpm converted using alien?
[04:19] <konstantinos> I have got one simple question for you...
[04:19] <lewwy> LimeWireOther.zip
[04:19] <saik0> noobuntu, w32codecs is for the xine engine, not gstreamer
[04:19] <konstantinos> One that is driving me nuts, nonetheless
[04:20] <noobuntu> k..i had installed the xine ui too, but still no video
[04:20] <apokryphos> konstantinos: well hello hello. Greek? =)
[04:20] <rm6990> lewwy : how are you launching the program, shell script or running the executable?
[04:20] <konstantinos> How do you know what's the port your USB device responds to?
[04:20] <Dr_Aevil> libben: bah, I need to go skiing again :( just didn't have the money/time this year :( still, got some nice desktop backgrouds from it :)
[04:20] <saik0> noobuntu, if you want to use totem try installing totem-xine
[04:20] <lewwy> shell script rm6990
[04:20] <libben> great landscape and the view was a killing.
[04:20] <konstantinos> apokryphos - yeah!
[04:20] <libben> http://libben.fnutt.org/?m=2&dir=images/Val%20Thorens/Backen
[04:20] <apokryphos> konstantinos: (that's my real name :) )
[04:20] <mathmatt> libben: just rename your image background.jpg and replace the one in /usr/share/gdm/themes/somethemeyoudontneed/background.jpg
[04:20] <rm6990> lewwy : did u write it urself?
[04:20] <konstantinos> I'm pm'ing you
[04:20] <libben> thats me on the highest point... we climed some on the mountains also http://libben.fnutt.org/?m=2&dir=images/Val%20Thorens/Backen&imgname=DSCN1287.JPG&single=1
[04:21] <lewwy> rm6990, no, i run runLime.sh which came with it
[04:21] <dabeej> this is scary
[04:21] <noobuntu> ok, so all i need is the w32codecs and totem xine?
[04:21] <dabeej> ims tarting to like gnome
[04:21] <dabeej> -s
[04:21] <Dr_Aevil> libben: http://christine.xdev.net/gallery/valthorens?page=1 :) our room was nicely placed too, right on the slope hehe
[04:21] <lewwy> KDE forever!
[04:21] <lewwy> rm6990, so any suggestions?
[04:21] <rm6990> lewwy : which version of java do u have installed?
[04:21] <Dr_Aevil> heh, yeah, really high resort, highest in europe I think
[04:21] <rm6990> lewwy : just diagnosing the problem, give me a minute :P
[04:21] <saik0> noobuntu, and a few native linux codecs
[04:21] <lewwy> uhh, not sure.  Is there some typ[e of grep i cna type to see?
[04:22] <rm6990> lewwy : issue the command java -version
[04:22] <libben> Dr_Aevil, wich hotel? looks like mine =)
[04:22] <lewwy> uh thanks Riddell :S
[04:22] <noobuntu> ok, that's probably what i'm missing, may i ask which ones do i need
[04:22] <casimir> I must continue to pester
[04:22] <lewwy> java version "1.5.0_01"
[04:22] <lewwy> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_01-b08)
[04:22] <lewwy> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_01-b08, mixed mode, sharing)
[04:22] <Dr_Aevil> libben: hehe, i can't remember, it probably was :)
[04:23] <libben> yeah... reccon the kitchen also
[04:23] <casimir> I was advised to use the nvidia-installer in place of the .debs in order to downgrade to 6111
[04:23] <libben> same hotel
[04:23] <saik0> how can I revery back to the old nvidia-glx package in the hoary repos?
[04:23] <libben> White horse it was... dont remember the name in french
[04:23] <libben> hang on
[04:23] <casimir> but I'm getting an error when I try to load the module... is the interface broken
[04:23] <rm6990> lewwy : OK, where do u have java installed on ur system?
[04:24] <lewwy> not sure again rm6990, any suggestions?
[04:24] <casimir> saik0, you can make a Pin in /etc/apt/preferences
[04:24] <lewwy> Java exec found in PATH. Verifying...
[04:24] <lewwy> thats what limewire gives me
[04:24] <saik0> casimir, i already upgraded though
[04:24] <rm6990> lewwy : PM me, I can see your name in the list
[04:24] <casimir> saik0, make the Pin-Priority greater than 1000
[04:25] <chadd> Q: I dont find certain packages in apt that I expect with Ubuntu (Another first installer) like blackbox and links/lynx, do I have something mis-configured, or should I be using some graphical package manager?
[04:25] <casimir> and find a warty cd
[04:25] <mathmatt> If I "completely remove" kde in Synaptic will it completely remove it (including all those extra apps and games)?
[04:25] <chadd> (running HOARY here, should I not be?)
[04:25] <LinuxJones> chadd, Hoary is good :)
[04:25] <chadd> (running on memory thin client, 64M, need blackbox and no nautilus)
[04:26] <casimir> I'm getting this in dmesg when I try to load the nvidia driver that I built:
[04:26] <casimir> nvidia: Unknown symbol __VMALLOC_RESERVE
[04:26] <casimir> nvidia: Unknown symbol pci_find_class
[04:26] <Xeon3D> how does one make the Computer folder on the Desktop instead of the menu?
[04:27] <chadd> LinuxJones: yeah, I'm pleased with the installer
[04:27] <Dr_Aevil> libben: cheval blanc?
[04:27] <desrt> Xeon3D; go into gconf-editor
[04:27] <libben> yeah
[04:27] <libben> Cheval blanc it was
[04:27] <casimir> is this something wrong with the kernel interface?
[04:27] <desrt> Xeon3D; know where that is?
[04:27] <LeeColleton> for some reason my account won't automount usb drives upon hotplugging.  I made a guest account and it works fine there.  is there some magic setting that toggles this behaviour?
[04:27] <libben> We lived on the 5th floor... great view...
[04:27] <Xeon3D> oh I think so...
[04:27] <konstantinos> can somebody tell me how can I find out what's the /dev/ entry my USB device responds to??
[04:27] <desrt> it's under system tools -> "configuration editor"
[04:27] <Dr_Aevil> cool :)
[04:28] <desrt> then under there you'll find a tree structure
[04:28] <Burgundavia> konstantinos: why do you need to know that?
[04:28] <desrt> go to apps -> nautilus -> desktop
[04:28] <desrt> inside, you'll find a checkbox that says computer_icon_visible
[04:28] <mez> q: am trying to mount a drive as a user - but it will oly mount with user access for root, I cant read it as my defalt user
[04:28] <desrt> check it
[04:28] <saik0> konstantinos is it a PDA?
[04:28] <casimir> LeeColleton, System->Preferences->Removable Storage
[04:28] <Xeon3D> thanks desrt
[04:28] <desrt> np
[04:28] <konstantinos> I've got a USB modem - and all my attempts to connect to it were futile...
[04:28] <desrt> you can get home and trash back that way too
[04:28] <Xeon3D> mez... is it NTFS?
[04:29] <casimir> LeeColleton, or run gnome-volume-properties
[04:30] <chadd> Is there perhaps a faq on a list of tweaks to reduce the memory dependancy of ubuntu/Xorg?
[04:30] <Elsidox> the ubuntu devs scared me when I updated anf rebooted today. lol
[04:30] <Burgundavia> chadd: have you enabled universe?
[04:30] <LeeColleton> casimir: I've got the mount removeable drives box checked
[04:30] <LeeColleton> yet they don't mount
[04:30] <libben> Dr_Aevil, can u hook me up with this one but in original size ? http://christine.xdev.net/gallery/valthorens/aaw
[04:30] <desrt> chadd; unfortunately, i don't think you have very much flexibility in this respect
[04:30] <chadd> Burgundavia: not sure how, not new to debian, new to Ubuntu
[04:30] <konstantinos> after reading some instructions online, I did the following: sudo mknod /dev/usb/ttyACM0 c 166 0
[04:30] <libben> I like the view =) i allmost got views like that.. but not as good
[04:30] <konstantinos> from 0 up to 3
[04:30] <Burgundavia> chadd: uncomment them from sources.list
[04:30] <desrt> chadd; the only thing you can hope to do is kill off unrequired system services.  printing is a good example
[04:30] <Burgundavia> chadd: that will get you blackbox, etc.
[04:30] <chadd> desrt: of course
[04:30] <konstantinos> (and then up to 7 - I've got a USB hub)
[04:30] <Dr_Aevil> libben: just click on it :)
[04:31] <chadd> Burgundavia: yes, that is what I'd like, muchos gracias
[04:31] <lewwy> hey you know what would really top off KDE? If they made it so when you put your mouse over the clock, a analog clock fades in
[04:31] <libben> yeah but its web optimized ?
[04:31] <Burgundavia> chadd: add mulitverse while you are at it
[04:31] <libben> or did u really take the photos in 800x600 size?
[04:31] <konstantinos> then I updated the wvdial.conf file with a "MODEM = /dev/usb/ttyACM0" (and then 1, 2, ...)
[04:31] <chadd> desrt: I can also switch to more apps that used shared libs, or ones that have low library overhead, like, not as much gnome2 eye candy (:
[04:31] <desrt> chadd; of course, that's probably not going to help much since that stuff is usually the first to be swapped out anyway
[04:31] <LeeColleton> casimir: but now it is mounted (after running g-v-p)
[04:31] <LeeColleton> thanks
[04:31] <desrt> chadd; maybe try xfce4
[04:31] <HrdwrBoB> libben: errrrr
[04:31] <konstantinos> but it says it can't find the device! while the USB device is definitely recognized! I can see it in the device manager!
[04:31] <chadd> desrt: its mostly mozilla that kills ram
[04:31] <libben> lol
[04:31] <HrdwrBoB> you click on the picture
[04:32] <chadd> desrt: I  have some standards (;
[04:32] <libben> just noticed =)
[04:32] <HrdwrBoB> http://christine.xdev.net/gallery/valthorens/aaw?full=1
[04:32] <casimir> LeeColleton, magic I guess... maybe some gconf key
[04:32] <desrt> xfce is decent
[04:32] <desrt> at least it's not kde :)
[04:32] <libben> i thought it was fitted for the web =)
[04:32] <HrdwrBoB> it is
[04:32] <desrt> (although, i wouldn't recommend trying kde if you're looking to -reduce- memory usage)
[04:32] <HrdwrBoB> it's a feature of php gallery
[04:32] <lewwy> yeh but mozilla kicks @$$
[04:32] <konstantinos> is anyone following me here? or am i talking in vain? ;)
[04:32] <lewwy> hey dont complain about ram usage.  I can run mozilla on my 32mb puter w/ DSL fine
[04:32] <Dr_Aevil> libben: should be ok, she uploaded it at 1600x1200
[04:33] <konstantinos> I see the USB device in the Device Manager - how can I tell what's its /dev/ entry?
[04:33] <libben> yeah =) i just noticed it =)
[04:33] <chadd> desrt: if this were a typical workstation I'd be fine with adding more ram, this is an embedded chips programmer/debugger, X is just gravy (:
[04:33] <Dr_Aevil> libben: gallery is a cool prog
[04:33] <Dr_Aevil> I must have taken that en route to the other valleys
[04:33] <Dr_Aevil> looks like it's the crossing point
[04:34] <desrt> chadd; so stop using X :)
[04:34] <desrt> run firefox with aalib
[04:34] <konstantinos> anyone, please... if I can't get internet to work in Ubuntu, I can't get to use it as my main OS
[04:35] <kevman> What is with the login screen?
[04:35] <kevman> Did it change itself, or is it jsut me?
[04:35] <desrt> kevman; it changed itself
[04:35] <libben> Dr_Aevil, yeah... gallery is good =) but i think it would be better with a php script that resizes the 1600x1200 pics.. and save some space on the webserver =) but who cares these days.... mb's are cheap anyway =)
[04:35] <Dr_Aevil> konstantinos: what sort of modem is it?
[04:35] <chadd> desrt: now you're just hassling me
[04:35] <desrt> chadd; :)
[04:35] <chadd> Burgundavia: I dont see multiverse in here, restricted and universe... but no multiverse
[04:36] <casimir> konstantinos, it's an ACM modem?
[04:36] <konstantinos> it's a netmod (usb device - used for ISDN connections) - by the way, thanks for replying Dr_Aevil, it's nice to see someone's noticing me ;)
[04:36] <Dr_Aevil> libben: yeah - I think generally she prob should have resized it, but what the hell :)
[04:36] <Burgundavia> chadd: add it to the line with universe
[04:36] <ells> has anyone gottent their windows pda to work in linux
[04:36] <chadd> Burgundavia: does it also have a hoary-security? and deb-src as well?
[04:36] <lewwy> ells, you can install linux to ur pda
[04:37] <ells> lewwy, really
[04:37] <ells> lewwy, how
[04:37] <mez> Xeon3d - yes it is
[04:37] <lewwy> ells, i really do forget, someone else here will know for sure
[04:37] <Burgundavia> chadd: no. Hoary-security is only main and restricted
[04:37] <konstantinos> so?
[04:37] <libben> I have a pda =)
[04:37] <libben> i would love linux on it =)
[04:37] <libben> hehehe
[04:37] <dracflamloc> yea i want it on my pocketpc
[04:37] <saik0> ells, I wouldnt recomment it if it's a Palm Device
[04:37] <chadd> Burgundavia: there is a deb/deb-src for hoary-security universe here.
[04:37] <ells> saik0, it is a dell axim
[04:38] <konstantinos> if you don't know anything about netmods or usb modems, can you please tell me anything regarding this question: I see the USB device in the Device Manager - how can I tell what's its /dev/ entry?
[04:38] <Burgundavia> chadd: ok, but I doubt there is a universe security
[04:38] <dracflamloc> ells, PM
[04:38] <Burgundavia> chadd: make that mulitverse security
[04:38] <ells> dracflamloc, what is PM
[04:38] <dracflamloc> private message
[04:38] <libben> seen the monty python movies =) remember the rabit scene? well... here he is =) http://libben.fnutt.org/?m=2&dir=images/Rasmus&imgname=Rasmus003.jpg&single=1
[04:38] <chadd> also, glxgears actually runs well, but when I drag a window around I get major shear and flicker, what gives? (already canned the background pic)
[04:38] <libben> 9 years old... and still a happy fella...
[04:38] <crimsun> there is no security for universe or multiverse.
[04:38] <libben> my gf will be a mess when he goes away.
[04:38] <saik0> http://tuxmobil.org/pda_linux.html
[04:38] <chadd> crimsun: then why is it in the file?
[04:38] <crimsun> only main and restricted.
[04:38] <lewwy> http://www.pdaxrom.org/
[04:39] <lewwy> ells, http://www.pdaxrom.org/
[04:39] <crimsun> chadd: it's not?
[04:39] <Dr_Aevil> konstantinos: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-177962.html
[04:39] <libben> so wich url to look at ? =)
[04:39] <chadd> crimsun: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[04:39] <chadd> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[04:39] <libben> wich is the better one for my pda =)
[04:39] <chadd> crimsun: but it is!
[04:39] <Dr_Aevil> konstantinos: goran's post looks like it gives the instructions :)
[04:39] <crimsun> chadd: from a fresh Hoary release?
[04:39] <konstantinos> I'm checking it right now - will be back in a sec
[04:39] <casimir> konstantinos, usually under the advanced tab in hal-device-manager there's a device.string var
[04:40] <ells> does anyone know how use their windows pda in ubuntu or how to put linux on their pda
[04:40] <libben> wonders if i can do something cool with my pocket loox 720
[04:40] <chadd> crimsun: yup, fresh installed today, and just uncommented
[04:40] <saik0> ells, using gnome-pilot?
[04:41] <chadd> crimsun: last two lines
[04:41] <libben> i installed horay 2 hours ago =) again after a bitching system
[04:41] <ells> saik0, I have it installed
[04:41] <woodwizzle> Ack! For the first time ever synaptic doesn't have a package I need!!! And its not even an obscure one!
[04:41] <woodwizzle> There is no povray in ubuntu!!! :(
[04:41] <saik0> ells, yes well theres other apps, such as Jpilot
[04:41] <woodwizzle> not even in backports (which I have enabled)
[04:42] <crimsun> woodwizzle: yes there is.
[04:42] <ells> saik0, will my pda work with jpilot
[04:42] <crimsun> woodwizzle: 1:3.5 0 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiverse Packages
[04:42] <konstantinos> dr_aevil I'm PMing you so as not to litter this place
[04:42] <fissy> povray is in my synaptic
[04:42] <woodwizzle> Oh I don't think i have multiverse
[04:43] <crimsun> chadd: hmm, I presume if it's there by default it's part of the new security plan
[04:43] <blahrus> anyone used mythtv in amd64?
[04:43] <woodwizzle> But povray IS free software, why is it in multiverse?
[04:43] <ells> lewwy, will my pda work with this pdaxrom
[04:43] <Burgundavia> woodwizzle: is povray released under OSI license?
[04:43] <casimir> so does anyone have a hint as to why nvidia.ko compiled but won't insert?
[04:43] <lewwy> i dont know, but i have a feeling you're about to find out
[04:43] <casimir> is there a different interface?
[04:44] <saik0> The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_ClockApplet". WHY!
[04:44] <woodwizzle> Burgundavia: Hmm, not sure, I'd have to look it up. I know it is open sourced at the very least
[04:44] <lewwy> actually ells i wouldnt really recommend installing linux to ur PDA
[04:44] <libben> how can i really check what i have on my drives? a mount dident cut it for me... i want more info... cause i had like 24 gb before a fresh install of ubuntu... and now its 20... and i only made one gb swap =) soo... hmmm.
[04:44] <ells> lewwy, okay, is there a way I can use my pda in linux
[04:44] <lewwy> ells, because if it reflashes it, and it doesnt work, ur screwed
[04:44] <Burgundavia> woodwizzle:  provided such profit arises primarily from use of
[04:44] <Burgundavia> the Software and not from distribution of the Software or a work including
[04:44] <Burgundavia> the Software in whole or part.
[04:44] <Burgundavia> woodwizzle: not free
[04:44] <ells> lewwy, nice
[04:45] <lewwy> ells, not really sure
[04:45] <crimsun> woodwizzle: that license is not Free and most definitely not DFSG-free.
[04:45] <woodwizzle> Where is that stated?
[04:45] <ells> lewwy, i have a dell axim and the more things I can use in linux diminishes my reliance on windows
[04:45] <saik0> ells, gpilot-applet
[04:45] <ells> saik0, okay
[04:46] <libben> anyone using xchat in here ? I wonder why i have two web browser to choose from... when its the same browser it starts anyway =) mozilla and mozilla firefox... why GOD WHYYY? ;)
[04:46] <Burgundavia> woodwizzle: from their license
[04:46] <saik0> ells it's the most uh windows-like way
[04:46] <lewwy> does anyone here know any viable linux distrobutions that ells can use on his PDA?
[04:46] <ells> would be nice
[04:46] <saik0> not on the axim
[04:46] <SuperSox> LFS
[04:47] <woodwizzle> wow, I was totally unaware of that.
[04:47] <saik0> seen it done on iPaqs alot
[04:47] <ells> saik0, is that an apt-get item, the gpilot-applet
[04:48] <libben> I have pocketloox 720... i would love hook it with linux instead of the ms shit
[04:48] <SuperSox> woodwizzle: unaware of what?
[04:48] <Burgundavia> SuperSox: non-free povrary
[04:49] <SuperSox> oh.
[04:49] <saik0> just run gpilotd-control-applet
[04:50] <Xeon3D> what's the name for the windows key on linux?
[04:50] <Xeon3D> Like Meta and such
[04:50] <ells> saik0, i dont think that gpilot is in the repositories
[04:50] <saik0> ells it's a panel applet
[04:51] <ells> saik0,okay, so what is the syntax, i should run
[04:52] <saik0> ells, gpilotd-control-applet
[04:52] <ells> i did it , and it wants me to press sync. dell axims dont have such a thing
[04:52] <saik0> ells, you can also add the panel applet to your panel if you are accustomed to having a hotsync icon in your tray
[04:53] <ells> saik0, okay
[04:53] <libben> anyone has xchat 2.4.3 deb file? or know where to get?
[04:55] <Burgundavia> ells: do they have an equiv?
[04:56] <ells> Burgundavia, what is equiv
[04:56] <saik0> man....i really kinda broke ubuntu
[04:57] <Mr-Petah> hi all
[04:57] <saik0> my xfs root partition got all screwed up
[04:58] <Burgundavia> ells: a similar type of button or function
[04:59] <ells> Burgundavia, I mean dell is a pda
[04:59] <Burgundavia> ells: yes, I know
[05:00] <mrdibbler> hello
[05:00] <libben> Hmm... i still have my resolution in my xorg.conf... i only have one in there... but still, after all the updating... its now alot of res's to choose from, and my old one isnt there =)
[05:01] <libben> do i need to restart the box? or can i logout and do something else?
[05:01] <libben> what does ctrl alt backspace really do? switch gdm to console mode?
[05:01] <crimsun> it kills the X server
[05:02] <kevman> Its handy.
[05:02] <libben> so is it bad to do?
[05:02] <Dr_Aevil> libben: just restar the x server if you've changed the config file - simply logging out of x and back in will do
[05:03] <Dr_Aevil> libben: you shouldn't kill it no, as it might have been doing something at the time :)
[05:03] <libben> ok, good to know
[05:03] <rm6990> lewwy : hey, im back in the PM
[05:03] <Dr_Aevil> you can get weird behaviour from suddenly killing X
[05:03] <Dr_Aevil> plus everything that was sitting on top of it
[05:03] <routeskeeper> how do I configure bash to use <ALT> + <LEFT ARROW> to move left by 1 word?
[05:04] <libben> what happends if i just log out without closing irc programs and firefox? will it die properly?
[05:04] <libben> hmm... well, it should be killed, and thats proper way anyway =)
[05:04] <libben> unles u need to save something =)
[05:05] <mrdibbler> anyone know how to get cd burning going in hoary?
[05:05] <mrdibbler> mine doesnt work
[05:06] <Xeon3D> does anyone recommend any sound scheme for hoary over at gnome-look ?
[05:06] <libben> Xeon3D,  =) Tobacco sky for GDM for sure =) and well the rest =)
[05:06] <dcahrakos> anyone know the easiest way to setup a dual boot between XP and Ubuntu?
[05:06] <libben> yeah
[05:06] <i2oboDude> MBR
[05:06] <libben> install xp on one partition
[05:06] <libben> then install ubuntu =) and hit yes ono grub =)
[05:07] <libben> u need to partitions... 3 even =) totally.
[05:07] <EvilIdler> Preferably, put Ubuntu on its own harddrive, even
[05:07] <libben> to=two =)
[05:07] <libben> bah =)
[05:07] <dcahrakos> I dont have another hard drive...im trying to get another partition setup.
[05:08] <libben> I need to check what take all my space.... i have fresh install of ubuntu... and had around 25 gb for and 1 gb swap,... and now its down on 20 gb... and the fresh install was like 2 hours ago... noway i would have donwloaded and updated for 3 gb =)
[05:08] <Xeon3D> hell no..
[05:09] <Xeon3D> I got a better gdm theme than tobacco sky
[05:09] <EvilIdler> You use the size of packages+the unpacked contents until you clean up, but that much space is just crazy
[05:09] <libben> Xeon3D, a girl on it ? =)
[05:09] <Xeon3D> yup
[05:09] <Fackamato> how do I find out the .config of the current kernel?
[05:09] <Xeon3D> in red. :)
[05:09] <libben> ;) =)
[05:09] <EvilIdler> Fackamato: There should be one in /boot
[05:09] <Xeon3D> Fackamato,  you can copy it from /boot/
[05:10] <Fackamato> ah, thanks
[05:10] <libben> EvilIdler, any command to check out if i got double swap space or something? =) caue just "mount" dident show me enough =) want to see all partitions and so on.
[05:10] <Fackamato> do I have to consider something special in order to compile my own kernel for ubuntu?
[05:10] <desrt> libben; swapon -s
[05:10] <libben> and then i want to have a gui for checking the folders in a easy way
[05:11] <dcahrakos> does ubuntu come with grub?
[05:11] <EvilIdler> libben: Yeah, what desrt said :)
[05:11] <trans_err> is there a reason there are 3 nerds on my gdm screen?
[05:11] <HrdwrBoB> hahaha
[05:11] <Xeon3D> trans_err, april fools day joke
[05:11] <HrdwrBoB> april fools
[05:11] <EvilIdler> trans_err: Check the date
[05:11] <libben> yeah... but that is for swapon =)
[05:11] <dracflamloc_> its just the reflection of yourself
[05:12] <lewwy> argh i could NEVER get the april fool screen
[05:12] <lewwy> how do i get the april fool screen?
[05:12] <dracflamloc_> =P
[05:12] <libben> i just wanna check the partitions, and then i wanna check where the space that im missing are =)
[05:12] <trans_err> that's surprisingly unprofessional
[05:12] <Xeon3D> trans_err, to change it.. go under System, Administration,  Login Screen Setup
[05:12] <trans_err> Xeon3D: already done
[05:12] <EvilIdler> trans_err: No, it's funny
[05:12] <Xeon3D> libben, go into a terminal
[05:12] <Xeon3D> and then
[05:12] <Xeon3D> df
[05:12] <Xeon3D> :D
[05:12] <Anakron> when estable bersion of ubuntu hoary hedgehog appear?
[05:12] <Xeon3D> if you can calculate blocks <-> mb's
[05:13] <mrdibbler> help please cd roasting not working.  can anyone help?
[05:13] <Xeon3D> Anakron, in a week +\-
[05:13] <Fackamato> mrdibbler: use k3b or something.
[05:13] <Anakron> uuuuuuu
[05:13] <Anakron> y want it!
[05:13] <Anakron> i want it!
[05:13] <trans_err> EvilIdler: it's not funny if you're admining ubuntu boxxes at a public school
[05:13] <Xeon3D> I think everyone here does.
[05:13] <Anakron> yjajaj, soy de chile
[05:13] <Anakron> im from chile
[05:13] <EvilIdler> trans_err: At least it's safe for work
[05:13] <turoa> anyone know how to get totem working witha dvd
[05:13] <trans_err> for that im releaved
[05:13] <Anakron> jeje
[05:13] <i2oboDude> im from chile too
[05:14] <Anakron> o yea
[05:14] <Anakron> jhajaja
[05:14] <EvilIdler> trans_err: If the Gnome guys themselves did it, you'd get bonobos fornicatin'
[05:14] <Anakron> hola wn
[05:14] <Xeon3D> turoa, theres an excelent tutorial at www.ubuntuforums.org
[05:14] <mrdibbler> tried various except k3b.  any reason why the standard gnome one isnt working?
[05:14] <libben> turoa, apt-get install totem-xine
[05:14] <Xeon3D> libben : I got a script that does that and a lot more things from ubuntuforums :D
[05:14] <mrdibbler> or is that a specific hoary bug?
[05:14] <rm6990> Is java still broken in hoary?
[05:14] <lewwy> yeh is it?
[05:15] <Anakron> nono
[05:15] <Draal> How do I enable mp3 playback?
[05:15] <Burgundavia> trans_err: you should be running the stable version in any non-development environment
[05:15] <trans_err> .. i can't get the old gdm splash :/
[05:15] <Fackamato> mrdibbler: that was almost funny.
[05:15] <trans_err> Burgundavia: let me decide what I can and can't handle
[05:15] <Fackamato> "specific ubuntu bug" .
[05:15] <Burgundavia> trans_err: check out tobacco sky
[05:15] <libben> Xeon3D, u mean the totem and other things ?
[05:15] <Fackamato> mrdibbler: what are the errors you are receiving.
[05:15] <Xeon3D> yup
[05:15] <trans_err> Burgundavia: not included here
[05:15] <Burgundavia> trans_err: from gnome-look.org
[05:16] <lewwy> quick , i need a good KDE theme
[05:16] <lewwy> guys, is java still broken in hoary?
[05:16] <trans_err> ::sigh::
[05:16] <libben> well... its just enabling the universe from the sources.list and then check what he has in there that is intresting and doing it manually =)
[05:16] <Burgundavia> trans_err: very nice, just a picture of scenery with a sunset
[05:16] <Xeon3D> lewwy, go to www.kdelook.org
[05:16] <Xeon3D> or kde-look.org
[05:16] <Fackamato> lewwy: huh? has java _ever_ been broken in hoary?
[05:16] <mrdibbler> thanks for the help. cheers, fackamoto.  I will now synaptic for k3b.
[05:16] <libben> last time i messed with his file =) yesterday that is =) it messed up =)
[05:16] <lewwy> Fackamato, apparently according to rm6990
[05:16] <trans_err> I want the pre 4/1 one back
[05:16] <Xeon3D> haha synaptic has become a ver.
[05:16] <Xeon3D> *verb
[05:16] <dcahrakos> when I install ubuntu, does it install grub, so it loads before it will load Ubuntu, or windows?
[05:16] <libben> dcahrakos, yes
[05:16] <rm6990> Fackamato: i heard a while ago it was
[05:16] <libben> if u want to
[05:17] <Fackamato> okies
[05:17] <libben> How do i see how much swap i have?
[05:17] <Flonne> libben, "free -m"
[05:17] <Arnia> Question... for some reason f-spot and blam won't load, complaining they can't find the assembly gnome-sharp. I know that assembly exists in my system. I've recompiled gtk-sharp and f-spot myself to try and fix the problem but it won't go away. Any ideas?
[05:18] <mrdibbler> ok.  bye folks.  I must be mad.  Its 4:17 in the morning here!  Haha.
[05:18] <bc> I want to install openoffice2 from universe - should I remove the version I have first?
[05:21] <chadd> Q: where do I switch window managers?
[05:21] <chadd> oh, crap I switched session managers, that wont work
[05:21] <Fackamato> chadd: Log out, then under session
[05:21] <Xeon3D> for anyone with problems with Video's (XVID and TOTEM), Flash, PDF's, Fonts etc... check out this howto .. PREETY EASY : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
[05:21] <routeskeeper> with Ubuntu, uncomment those: "\e[5D": backward-word in .inputrc doesn't have any affect, how to use ALT-LEFT to move left by 1 word?
[05:22] <chadd> Fackamato: which was the original /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager pointing to?
[05:22] <chadd> gdm?
[05:22] <lewwy> hey, how would i install ubuntu from over a network?
[05:23] <YankDownUnder> Erf....what is the default root password?
[05:23] <routeskeeper> YankDownUnder, there is no root password
[05:23] <HrdwrBoB> YankDownUnder: it's not
[05:23] <libben> YankDownUnder, no root pass
[05:23] <Fackamato> chadd: possibly
[05:23] <turoa> try sudo -s
[05:24] <chadd> Fackamato: guessing gnome-session, dur.
[05:24] <libben> YankDownUnder, type sudo and command. to excute something with root status... when pass is asked for.. type ur own... or sudo -s to get a bash with root priv. and type ur own pass if asked...
[05:24] <YankDownUnder> Got it...went about it the other way using the Users and Groups package
[05:26] <libben> dcahrakos, if u have nvidia card, dont forget to install nvidia things from apt =) like nvidia-glx and type to enable it... sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[05:26] <dcahrakos> I got an ATI Radeon
[05:27] <libben> ok
[05:27] <libben> dont do what i said then =)
[05:27] <libben> ignore it =)
[05:28] <dcahrakos> ok
[05:28] <routeskeeper> how to reinstall the core packages such as base-files ??
[05:30] <dcahrakos> cya later libben, thanks for all the help
[05:31] <libben> now wheres my help damit =)
[05:32] <raghu> routeskeeper: apt-get install base-config
[05:33] <YankDownUnder> Anyone know anything about adding the curses libs? (trying to compile trafshow and getting an error about missing curses libs whereas they APPEAR to be already installed)
[05:34] <Lin> hi all!
[05:34] <Fackamato> YankDownUnder: curses libs dev?
[05:34] <Fackamato> hoi lin
[05:35] <Kirsch> hey guys, is there an easy way to create a deb file?
[05:35] <YankDownUnder> Fackamato: They're already installed....
[05:35] <Lin> I have updated my ubuntu hoary and now, nvidia drivers didn't are compatible (X and Kernel) there is already a kernel/X compatible driver, or I will have to compile by myself?
[05:35] <raghu> YankDownUnder: apt-get install ncurses
[05:35] <raghu> YankDownUnder: can you paste error?
[05:36] <Lin> Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 7.1.0, but this X module is version 1.0.7167. Please be sure that your
[05:36] <raghu> YankDownUnder: can you paste error? in #floods
[05:36] <Lin> kernel module and all NVIDIA driver files have the same driver version.
[05:36] <Fackamato> Lin: tried apt-get remove:ing them and then installing them again? If that doesn't help, I suggest you remove all the nvidia packages and compile manually (very easy)
[05:36] <YankDownUnder> raghu: "configure: error: cannot find curses; see the INSTALL notes"
[05:36] <raghu> YankDownUnder: can you paste error? in #flood
[05:37] <Lin> Fackamato: I know that is very easy (to us programmers/admins) but ubuntu should be user friendly ;-D
[05:37] <raghu> YankDownUnder: apt-get install ncurses
[05:37] <Lin> All that I have done was say YES to Update Manager ;-)
[05:37] <Fackamato> Lin: :)
[05:37] <Lin> Fackamato: Am I wrong?
[05:38] <raghu> YankDownUnder: ./configure --help
[05:38] <Fackamato> Lin: well, define "user friendly", if by user friendly you mean "everything should be GUI" then I disagree ;p
[05:39] <YankDownUnder> raghu: "Package ncurses is not available, but it is referred to by another package. This may man that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available fro manother source"
[05:39] <Lin> I really love CLI, but if everytime that a X.ORG update will crash my X windows, this isn't user friendly, no matter what kind of user you are :-D
[05:39] <Xeon3D> I'm a total newb.. and I quit'ed (?) using windows (which I did use for the last 10 years) just because of Ubuntu...
[05:39] <Xeon3D> I think Ubuntu is user-friendly enough.
[05:39] <Lin> Xeon3D: do you have an nvidia card?
[05:39] <Xeon3D> yup
[05:39] <Xeon3D> :D
[05:39] <Xeon3D> running like a charm
[05:40] <Xeon3D> straight after the installation.
[05:40] <Lin> Xeon3D: do you use 3d acelleration? Are you using Hoary? Do you update today?
[05:40] <Xeon3D> yes yes yes
[05:41] <Lin> Xeon3D: I will try a new update, dist-upgrade, and an user friendly reboot. I'm trying to evaluate as a "normal" user
[05:41] <Xeon3D> I am a normal user.
[05:41] <Xeon3D> ok.. lets say a normal user that normally is able to f*ck up a linux distro in 1 or 2 days.
[05:41] <Lin> Xeon3D: Do you compile programs youself?
[05:41] <raghu> YankDownUnder: apt-cache search "ncurse"
[05:41] <Xeon3D> when needed yes.
[05:41] <YDU_Ubuntu> raghu, Hang on - I'll give that a go
[05:42] <Flonne> If I can mess up Windows in five minutes, does that make me normal?
[05:42] <Lin> Xeon3D: then, you're not a normal user.
[05:42] <Flonne> (Including startup time)
[05:42] <Xeon3D> Lin, I follow instructions
[05:42] <Xeon3D> just as anyone with brains to read the README files would do.
[05:42] <Lin> Xeon3D: Normal users didn't read instructions
[05:42] <justaguy> hmmmm?
[05:42] <warty> we
[05:42] <Xeon3D> those are dumb users.
[05:42] <Xeon3D> not normal users
[05:42] <Flonne> Normal users expect everything to work by default.
[05:42] <warty> we speak spanik
[05:43] <Xeon3D> and dumb users should just use synaptic or whatever
[05:43] <Lin> Xeon3D: Today these are normal users.
[05:43] <Xeon3D> I did expect.. and It did work...
[05:43] <warty> speack spanich fucking fucking you
[05:43] <cosmobot> :)
[05:43] <Xeon3D> what didn't I knew It wouldn't
[05:43] <kbrooks> warty, get out. now
[05:43] <Xeon3D> warty chupamos.
[05:43] <Lin> Xeon3D: We are kind of users that used an ZX-Spectrum, Apple II, Or TK computers
[05:43] <warty> i like fucking
[05:43] <Xeon3D> I did neither.
[05:43] <lewwy> yeh, men
[05:44] <Flonne> Lin, I still use a Tandy. :)
[05:44] <kbrooks> warty, you WILL get out of the channel *NOW*!
[05:44] <Xeon3D> lowest thing I used was a Commodore Amiga that someone gave to me 1 year ago
[05:44] <Fackamato> Lin: nah, I'm 18 years old, and I consider myself a normal user. :-p
[05:44] <Lin> We beggin program in basic to use an computer and losing everything after turnoff
[05:44] <bretzel> hi
[05:44] <Fackamato> The first computer I had was an Amiga.
[05:44] <YDU_Ubuntu> raghu, Hmmm....strange but....reckon I might have to get the Slang! curses lib and just manually deal with it
[05:44] <bretzel> Xeon3D: I used an Atari 600XL
[05:44] <Lin> Fackamato: You're in a ubuntu channel in freenode you not a normal company ready user.
[05:45] <libben> woo... used 725 of 758 mb of my ram...
[05:45] <warty> i like men fucking to i penetration
[05:45] <Xeon3D> why is warty here?
[05:45] <lewwy> bob2`, where the hell are you when we need u
[05:45] <libben> and i have only started ubuntu and made the update on 300+ packages
[05:45] <Xeon3D> *why is warty still here?
[05:45] <Fackamato> Lin: ubuntu is not aimed for the dumb user. :)
[05:45] <Dr_Aevil> sigh, it's not trolls that bother me now-a-days, it's the calibre of trolls...
[05:45] <Lin> Fackamato: I don't think so.
[05:45] <Lin> Fackamato: Ubuntu is aimed for companies and end users
[05:45] <lewwy> dude, hes not even trolling
[05:45] <lewwy> trolling is an art
[05:45] <Dr_Aevil> I mean he could at least join and say "KDE is way better than GNome" or something
[05:46] <justaguy> Well said Dr.
[05:46] <Lin> Fackamato: those are dumb users ;-D
[05:46] <Lin> Dr_Aevil: GNOME is better than KDE!
[05:46] <Fackamato> Lin: anyone not reading a readme is begging for problems, no matter the dumbness of the person. :>
[05:46] <zapada> are they going to have a "ship-it for" kubuntu?
[05:46] <justaguy> I agrree
[05:46] <Xeon3D> Shit I've even printed 600+ pages of TEXT when RedHat 5.2 came out...
[05:46] <phxguy> anyone care to help me with my volume control
[05:46] <bretzel> no - XFCE4 is better than all others!
[05:47] <warty> xeon you speak spanich?
[05:47] <Lin> Fackamato: I really know it. But in a company we have a kind of users that turn off the printer and ask to you: Why my printer isn't working today
[05:47] <locomorto> hmm, this is my gnome desktop; www.locomorto.com/GNOME, show us yours
[05:47] <Flonne> zapada, perhaps for Breezy; I've heard nothing about a Kubuntu Shipit program.
[05:47] <lewwy> phxguy, there should be a control on the front of your speaker man
[05:47] <justaguy> I have a couple "printed manuals" myself  :)
[05:47] <locomorto> lol
[05:47] <zapada> Flonne: ok cool thanks
[05:47] <zapada> I would like ubuntu on kde
[05:47] <zapada> but 56k :\
[05:47] <Fackamato> Lin: then those companies perhaps use dell computers, and if so, just have a guy install ubuntu and all software on one of them, ghost that, and ghost the other computers, done ;>
[05:47] <lewwy> its a 100mb update
[05:47] <Flonne> :(
[05:47] <lewwy> GNOME to KDE = 100mb
[05:47] <phxguy> lewwy: lol you would think so wouldn't you.... I dont have external speakers using the ones built in to my monitor
[05:48] <zapada> I cant even get my modem to connect properly on ubuntu :(
[05:48] <lewwy> get some real speakers then phxguy
[05:48] <Lin> Fackamato: Yes, this is true..
[05:48] <lewwy> well
[05:48] <Flonne> You could always leech the .debs from school and burn them to a disc there,,,
[05:48] <phxguy> lol
[05:48] <lewwy> i must say
[05:48] <zapada> it just makes a long dialtone sound
[05:48] <Flonne> ...*
[05:48] <lewwy> it has been fun
[05:48] <lewwy> but the devil is calling with its lure of fun and games and my science assignment
[05:48] <Flonne> PC gaming sucks. >.>
[05:48] <lewwy> so i have to go back to winblows
[05:48] <Lin> Some one can point me a good keyserver?
[05:48] <lewwy> PC gaming owns you Flonne
[05:49] <Flonne> Not for more than three years. :)
[05:49] <locomorto> i feel you lewwy
[05:49] <zapada> also, why isnt ubuntu able to play mp3s?
[05:49] <locomorto> i have to keep windows for WoW
[05:49] <lewwy> er no thanks locomorto
[05:49] <locomorto> it is
[05:49] <zapada> pisses me off >.<
[05:49] <lewwy> zapada, go get gstreamer libmad
[05:49] <phxguy> my ubuntu plays mp3 just fine....
[05:49] <locomorto> check out this
[05:49] <Flonne> Legal issues, zapada. You can add support easily -- check the Wiki.
[05:49] <crimsun> zapada: it can.  If you use Music Player (rhythmbox), install gstreamer0.8-mad from universe.
[05:49] <Dr_Aevil> Lin: ah, but I think you fail to see my point which is *generic flame*, *unprovable assertion*, *pre-emptive counter-retort*, so hah
[05:49] <locomorto> do you have warty or hoary?
[05:49] <Dr_Aevil> locomorto: I play WoW in linux )
[05:50] <zapada> crimsun: what's universe?
[05:50] <Flonne> It's all so clear now, Dr_Aevil.
[05:50] <lewwy> wtf locomorto you use cedega?
[05:50] <lewwy> cedegas a real bitch, it hardly plays any games at all
[05:50] <lewwy> cvscedega sucks even worse
[05:50] <phxguy> i use xmms for my mp3's
[05:50] <Lin> Dr_Aevil: I'm trying to play Ragnarok (without success)
[05:50] <crimsun> zapada: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[05:50] <locomorto> I hardly get neough framerates in windows let alone in cedega
[05:50] <gratuit> lewwy: not true, I've used it and found it to be quite good
[05:50] <locomorto> besids i dont have linux drivers for my mobility radeon
[05:50] <gratuit> lewwy: I played call of duty on it, and doom 3 until they released the linux binaries
[05:50] <yfir> Lin: there's a small list of reliable keysevers here: http://www.rossde.com/PGP/pgp_keyserv.html
[05:51] <Dr_Aevil> Flonne: :)
[05:51] <locomorto> @phxguy: Use beep media player, its a GTK port of XMMS
[05:51] <s0undt3ch> hello ppl!
[05:51] <Lin> yfir: Ok! I will take a look! :-D
[05:51] <woodwizzle> Is the ettiquite icon theme (actually i mean the ubuntu icon theme that is derived from it) going to make it into the final version of hoary?
[05:52] <Lin> yfir: thank you!
[05:52] <yfir> np
[05:52] <phxguy> locomorto: y would i want a port of xmms when xmms work?
[05:52] <locomorto> it looks better?
[05:52] <Dr_Aevil> gratuit: yeah, I've played all sorts with cedega - I am really impressed with how it's come on since the early days! :)
[05:52] <Lin> phxguy: Beep media player is good and it's XMMs compatible, all xmms applets works with bmp :-D
[05:52] <zapada> do I need the net to use "universe"?
[05:52] <yfir> regarding media players: i've been trying out Zinf for the last few days. pretty nice
[05:53] <warty> your sex fucking fucking to you penetration
[05:53] <Kirsch> phxguy: i hate gtk+
[05:53] <Kirsch> looks really ugly
[05:53] <Flonne> Beep is my favourite media player.
[05:53] <Kirsch> has anyone been able to get DAAP support in RythmBox?
[05:54] <zapada> why do the media players for linux all suck?
[05:54] <woodwizzle> Kirsch, Flonne: I have still yet to find a media player that I like :(
[05:54] <zapada> why cant there be a good one like winamp 5 :*
[05:54] <woodwizzle> and I've tried them all I think. Many come close, but few satisfy
[05:54] <Kirsch> woodwizzle: in linux or any os?
[05:54] <justaguy> I agree
[05:54] <phxguy> because they are all free
[05:54] <EvilIdler> XMMS works for me
[05:54] <s0undt3ch> I'm finnaly here... Just installed ubuntu warty for my hoe server and I'm a bit disapointed....
[05:54] <Apkalus> i play mp3 very well with xmms but i configure first the output plugin in preferences to eSound 1.2.10 (i read that in the ubuntu forums)...
[05:54] <woodwizzle> Kirsh, linux specifically, but really, in any os
[05:54] <zapada> phxguy: winamp5 is free
[05:54] <Dr_Aevil> I find totem-xine to be pretty good
[05:54] <Zanz> is there a KUbuntu for amd64?
[05:54] <Kirsch> woodwizzle: which one do u like the best in general?
[05:54] <kkathman> back now..yumm good dinner :)
[05:54] <warty> perdon que me dijiste? no se ingles
[05:54] <Kirsch> or which features are u looking for?
[05:54] <justaguy> hoe server happy with ubuntu?
[05:54] <justaguy> LOL
[05:55] <woodwizzle> I think Itunes is the closest to what I want. however I got some serious problems with it too
[05:55] <justaguy> <---kidding, of course
[05:55] <phxguy> maybe so but they are owned by AOL-TimeWarner
[05:55] <Kirsch> woodwizzle, i personally dont like itunes
[05:55] <helio7> warty dirigese al canal de espanol #ubuntu-es
[05:55] <s0undt3ch> got me ages to find out how to configure my adsl connectio...
[05:55] <kkathman> Zanz, I think that as long as you install the right linux version, kubuntu is independent of processor
[05:55] <warty> ok gracias chingon
[05:55] <Akira> hey, anyone know howto use crossover office to run a single app that doesn't need installing?
[05:56] <woodwizzle> Kirsch, it could be a lot better. I have a TON of music close to 80 gigs. so I need something that lets more sort and organize and pick and choose playlists dynamically in all sorts of ways
[05:56] <helio7> de nada! buena suerte warty
[05:56] <justaguy> just installed firestarter, anyone familiar with it?
[05:56] <Zanz> cool, i was hoping to get a 64 bit version just to use it
[05:56] <justaguy> firewall, that is
[05:56] <warty> oye no kieres follarme?
[05:56] <woodwizzle> but at the same time I think muine is beautiful and handy for playing albums, its missing a lot of important features though
[05:56] <Zanz> but mandrake hasn't been impressing me with their 64 version
[05:56] <locomorto> Zanz: from source or apt-get?
[05:56] <kkathman> Zanz, just make sure you download and install the 64-bit version
[05:56] <woodwizzle> I've just now started playing with amarok and I think it would be my absolute favorite if it used gtk :(
[05:56] <s0undt3ch> do I have to stick with openoffice, I'd like it uninstalled but It always complains of ubuntu-desktop dependency, at least
[05:57] <locomorto> woops
[05:57] <locomorto> justaguy: from source or apt-get
[05:57] <s0undt3ch> after all this is a server
[05:57] <justaguy> got me soundtech
[05:57] <zapada> wtf does apt-get stand for
[05:57] <Zanz> what was the url for the isos?  iso.ubuntu.org?
[05:57] <warty> ahh no quieres follarme?
[05:57] <Zanz> advanced package tool - get
[05:57] <insaneric> hi , someone speack french?
[05:58] <Zanz> people in france i imagine...j/k
[05:58] <woodwizzle> Are there any powerpoint viewers besides open office?
[05:58] <warty> si o no que dices
[05:58] <kkathman> Zanz, http://ubuntu.mirrors.tds.net/releases/5.04/
[05:58] <Kirsch> insaneric, #ubuntu-fr
[05:58] <insaneric> thanx
[05:58] <Flonne> I can understand it, insaneric... but my responses might be a bit broken.
[05:58] <Flonne> Or that.
[05:58] <kkathman> Zanz,  just be sure to download the AMD 64 version
[05:58] <s0undt3ch> why do I HAVE to stick with a bunch of packages I dont wan't because of ubuntu-desktop.... Stupid dependency....
[05:58] <phxguy> kirch you are aware that beep mp is a gtk app dont ya
[05:58] <Zanz> my web browsers keep freezing...*sigh*
[05:59] <woodwizzle> I like openoffice a lot, I even use it on windows, but I've tried the 2.0 beta and I'm kinda dissapointed. I've made the switch to AbiWord and lovin' it, but I still need a powerpoint viewer
[05:59] <Kirsch> phxguy, yes, i don't like GTK1.0, gtk2 is fine
[05:59] <yfir> s0undt3ch, you can remove the ubuntu-desktop package
[05:59] <phxguy> ok thats makes better sense then
[05:59] <s0undt3ch> thoght that was the desktop I'm at...
[05:59] <Dr_Aevil> oo 2.0, controversial :)
[05:59] <yfir> it's a dummy package
[05:59] <s0undt3ch> !"#$
[05:59] <Kirsch> whats the rhythmbox irc chan?
[05:59] <yfir> just dependencies
[05:59] <s0undt3ch> k, thanks
[06:00] <Kirsch> #rhythmbox
[06:00] <yfir> but if new packages are added to it, you won't get them with a regular update if you don't have ubuntu-desktop installed. just be aware of that
[06:01] <s0undt3ch> yfir: has I said, stupid dependency
[06:01] <s0undt3ch> *as
[06:02] <Akira> yaaaa, qwix is working
[06:02] <Arnia> Nicest music player I've found
[06:02] <woodwizzle> is ifolder in anybodys synaptic? I'm pretty sure i have all the repositories enabled now
[06:02] <anthony> How do I get the main debian repository?
[06:02] <s0undt3ch> yfir: added to it? what? ubuntu-desktop?
[06:02] <phxguy> caution anthony the debian repositories has been known to break ubuntu
[06:03] <anthony> whatever, I need more packages
[06:03] <woodwizzle> Dr_Aevil. honestly, I'm don't care about the java controversy etc. But CRAP it takes a long time to start up.
[06:04] <Apkalus> hi to all
[06:04] <phoenixp3k> Any gamers around here?
[06:04] <locomorto> yep
[06:04] <Apkalus> Exist any tutorial of ubuntu users on how to configure a webserver in ubuntu?
[06:04] <yfir> s0undt3ch - the packaged 'ubuntu-desktop' is just dependencies - it's a way of keeping all of the packages involved with the standard ubuntu desktop in one place...
[06:04] <Dr_Aevil> woodwizzle: :)
[06:04] <yfir> however, if you remove it, nothing will be removed from your system
[06:04] <phoenixp3k> I'm trying to install UT:GOTY and have a weird problem
[06:05] <yfir> on the other hand, if you update your system and you don't have the ubuntu-desktop package installed, you may not get new dependent packages that the maintainers later add to their idea of the "standard ubuntu desktop"
[06:05] <yfir> if that makes sense... phew
[06:05] <s0undt3ch> yfir: will I still be able to install updates?
[06:05] <Fackamato> '/xc
[06:05] <yfir> yes
[06:05] <Fackamato> np: Silverchair - Anthem for the Year 2000
[06:05] <Fackamato> \o/
[06:05] <kkathman> yfir is ubuntu-desktop essentially the Gnome XDM?
[06:06] <phoenixp3k> Is the CD drive automaticly mounted when I insert a disk?
[06:06] <yfir> s0oundt3ch, i'm a little nervous for you now. if you don't know this, maybe you shouldn't be messing with these things :)
[06:06] <Xeon3D> yup
[06:06] <Xeon3D> phoenixp3k,  yup
[06:06] <woodwizzle> Word processors should NOT be slow at all. Especially not THAT slow. And I know its still in beta (its buggy and I understand) but I think it would honestly take a rewrite to fix that crazy load up time
[06:06] <s0undt3ch> yfir: well, they should add to their ideas that someone might just wan't a server, withoud the desktop(all of them at leas) apps...
[06:07] <phoenixp3k> ok, so how come a setup asks me to mount Disc one, if it's already in the cddrive
[06:07] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu installer has a server option. :P
[06:07] <Xeon3D> woodwizzle,  what word processor were you speaking off?
[06:07] <kkathman> s0undt3ch, there are distributions of Linux, just for being a server without desktops
[06:07] <Dr_Willis> not tht ive ever used it.
[06:07] <yfir> yes, but if it's jsut a server you want, then ubuntu is probably not the best distro choice in the first place
[06:07] <dinocore> how do you add respotitorys to ubuntu?
[06:07] <woodwizzle> Xeon3D: when I said slow. I was speaking of the Open Office 2.0 beta
[06:07] <Xeon3D> dinocore,  you edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file
[06:07] <s0undt3ch> I'm just using to get aquainted to debian, then I'll pass to it...
[06:07] <Xeon3D> openoffice IS slow.
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> dinocore,  --> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/  has details.
[06:08] <Xeon3D> and I doubt it'll change.
[06:08] <dinocore> Xeon2d, right but where do you get the repository?
[06:08] <yfir> diniocore, you can also do it with Synaptic if you prefer
[06:08] <yfir> *dinocore (sorry)
[06:08] <Mr-Petah> bye all!
[06:08] <yfir> settings -> repositories
[06:09] <Marble2> How do I make it so that a certain user has ownership of a directory and all files within that directory?
[06:09] <dinocore> were do i find servers to put in Synaptic?
[06:09] <phoenixp3k> I can't eject my CD HELPP
[06:09] <locomorto> type eject in the console
[06:10] <phoenixp3k> (I'm dramatising yes... but how can I do that)
[06:10] <Fackamato> phoenixp3k: yes you can. unmount it first.
[06:10] <Fackamato> Marble2: man chown
[06:10] <s0undt3ch> man, If I want to remove wireless I'll remove the ubuntu-base, man, this distro is too dependent...
[06:10] <Whiffle> Marble: chown <username> directory
[06:10] <locomorto> or type eject
[06:10] <Fackamato> chown -R username:group dir/
[06:10] <Apkalus> yeeees, thats the kind of documentation i was looking for, thanx Dr_Willis :)
[06:10] <Fackamato> -R = recursive (all stuff in that dir)
[06:10] <Whiffle> ubuntu base isn't needed, look at the description
[06:10] <phoenixp3k> wow it worked
[06:10] <Marble2> Fackamato: I did that, it didn't work
[06:11] <s0undt3ch> why did it installed itself in the first place? I never got a chance to choose packages...
[06:11] <Fackamato> Marble2: it works, you did something wrong then
[06:11] <Whiffle> lol
[06:11] <yfir> Marble2: sudo chown -R username:group dir/
[06:11] <Marble2> I still get permission errors when I browese to that folder in nautilus
[06:11] <yfir> :)
[06:11] <Marble2> yfir, did that
[06:11] <Marble2> I know I had to sudo it
[06:11] <Fackamato> Marble2: doesn't matter, check who owns it
[06:11] <Marble2> uh root does
[06:12] <Marble2> but I just did "sudo chown -r greg:greg /mnt/hda3"
[06:12] <Fackamato> then you didn't chown it correctly
[06:12] <Marble2> but ls -l /mnt shows it as root
[06:12] <Marble2> er -R rather
[06:12] <Fackamato> sudo chown -R greg:greg /mnt/hda3/*
[06:12] <phoenixp3k> ok, now what about the mounting problem?
[06:12] <Marble2> chown: cannot access `/mnt/hda3/*': No such file or directory
[06:12] <dinocore> anyone know a really huge debian repository?
[06:13] <Fackamato> Marble2: then it's not mounted
[06:13] <kkathman> dinocore, try the debian home page
[06:13] <cosmobot> bakports.org
[06:13] <Fackamato> or it's empty
[06:13] <dinocore> yea
[06:13] <Fackamato> brb reboot
[06:13] <darmou> does anyone know of any good howt'o for writing shell scripts to upload to a production server?  I'm going from a ubuntu dev server to a debian production server
[06:13] <phoenixp3k> well, when I insert the disk it appears on the Desktop so it IS mounted
[06:13] <Marble2> uh, it is mounted
[06:13] <Marble2> and it's not empty
[06:13] <Marble2> because I can view the folder as root
[06:13] <Marble2> anyone?
[06:14] <phoenixp3k> no cdrom0 opens showing it's content
[06:14] <yfir> Marble2 - explain your problem exactly. I'm not sure i follow
[06:14] <dinocore> join #debian
[06:14] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, did you try setting a launch, then pointing to the /mnt?
[06:15] <phoenixp3k> huh... being quite new to linux, I have no idea :p
[06:15] <Apkalus> somebody knows how to configure a serial mouse in ubuntu?
[06:15] <dinocore> kkathman yea thanks
[06:15] <Marble2> yfir: I did "sudo chown -R greg:greg /mnt/hda3" and when I browse to /mnt/hda3 in nautilus, under the user greg, I get permission errors
[06:15] <Marble2> and a ls -l of /mnt shows that root owns the /mnt/hda3 folder
[06:15] <kkathman> dinocore, not a problem...been there done that :)
[06:15] <phoenixp3k> kkathman: could you tell me how to do that?
[06:16] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, what desktop are you on?
[06:16] <YDU_Ubuntu> Smoko time
[06:16] <cosmobot> hda3 is a vfat?
[06:16] <phoenixp3k> kkathman: euh... I'll sound stupid. But I really have no idea
[06:17] <Marble2> never mind, I got it
[06:17] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, if you just installed Ubuntu, and didnt do anything you are probably on Gnome
[06:17] <phoenixp3k> oh. yeah, I'm on Gnome
[06:18] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, if it looks like root owns the drive, thats typical
[06:18] <Arnia> Thank god Hoary has update manager. I don't think I could stand showing my mum how to keep her computer up to date without it (upgrading my old computer to Hoary from Warty for her)
[06:18] <phoenixp3k> well I have root terminal access
[06:18] <phoenixp3k> kkathman: kkathman
[06:18] <kkathman> cd ..
[06:18] <kkathman> oops
[06:18] <kkathman> hehe
[06:19] <Arnia> At least my mum is a good test case (severe epilepsy means she has trouble concentrating at times)
[06:19] <yfir> Arnia, do you find Synaptic that much more difficult?
[06:19] <phoenixp3k> kkathman: I tryed unmounting it and mounting it hoping the installer would recocgnize it
[06:19] <Arnia> yfir: The warty synaptic is going to be too difficult to train her to use
[06:19] <Arnia> yfir: Hoary will be much easier
[06:19] <yfir> Ok
[06:19] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, so you went to /mnt and did an ls -l  and the cdrom is there or not
[06:20] <yfir> I didn't notice a big difference, but I suppose others do
[06:20] <Arnia> (I'm an old linux user so its not an issue for me... except I hate wasting my time on stuff the computer should be able to do for itself)
[06:20] <yfir> Arnia: agree
[06:20] <phoenixp3k> says 0
[06:21] <phoenixp3k> kkathman: says total 0
[06:21] <Arnia> yfir: Its the update manager... much easier for her to use. She won't want to install new software once I get the system set up... but she will want to keep track of security and bug fixes
[06:21] <libben> is gnome bittorrent any good?
[06:21] <locomorto> not really
[06:21] <Arnia> libben: Its pretty straightforward, if that's what you mean
[06:21] <yfir> Arnia: I haven't been using the Update Manager much, but good to know it's easy to use
[06:21] <libben> I like my azerus, use it on windows
[06:21] <locomorto> you can get it on ubunutu too
[06:22] <locomorto> check out www.ubuntuguide.org/temp
[06:22] <libben> but If i install azeruz on ubuntu i wanna get rid of the gnome bittorrent
[06:22] <Arnia> libben: click on a torrent file and it opens up and asks where you wish to download the file
[06:22] <libben> any gui Arnald ?
[06:22] <libben> Arnia,  =)
[06:22] <locomorto> sudo dpkg -remove gnome-bittorrent
[06:22] <kkathman> pho
[06:22] <yfir> libben: you can get rid of gnome bittorent, you'll just have to remove the 'ubuntu-desktop' dummy package
[06:22] <Arnia> libben: gives a download dialog and relevant controls
[06:23] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, can you do this:  cat /etc/fstab
[06:23] <Arnia> libben: Its straightforward and to the point... which I like
[06:23] <Xeon3D> what games (good ones) are available for ubuntu?
[06:23] <Arnia> Yes it has a gui :)
[06:23] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, you should see /dev/hdc   or something like that
[06:23] <Arnia> Xeon3D: freeciv ;)
[06:23] <libben> yeah... i was abit afraid of that, yfir... so its safe to let it remove ubuntu-desktop?
[06:23] <yfir> bit-tornado is pretty small and good. worth a look
[06:23] <geneo91> freecraft
[06:23] <libben> never did go all the way when i wanted azeruz before either
[06:23] <yfir> libben, yes it's safe. but do it after the final hoary release
[06:24] <Arnia> Xeon3D: All the Gnome games (which are horribly addictive)
[06:24] <Whiffle> i had azurueus under gentoo, it was great.
[06:24] <phoenixp3k> kkathman: nope it's not there
[06:24] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, ok, so there's def a prob
[06:24] <libben> when will the final relase of horay come?
[06:24] <yfir> libben: in a week i think
[06:24] <Mestapheles> april fool's day!
[06:24] <phoenixp3k> kkathman: theres hdb1, hdb5, hdd and hda1
[06:24] <libben> hmm... maybe i can live with just one click download =)
[06:24] <libben> will it upload also while im downloading?
[06:25] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, go and do a dmesg  and look at the log and see if there is some mention of the CD Rom not being recognized
[06:25] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, after that, Im a bit too new to go too much further than this.  Yfir probably can be a better resource
[06:25] <phoenixp3k> kkathman: there is onw says: /dev/hdd       /media/cdrom0
[06:25] <phoenixp3k> would that be the one ?
[06:26] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, ahhh ok ... is there an entry under the <mounth point> column for that line?
[06:26] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, should say something like /media/cdrom0
[06:26] <phoenixp3k> yup
[06:26] <phoenixp3k> that what it says
[06:26] <locomorto> copy paste the whole line
[06:27] <dinocore> how do i expand my packages i can install?
[06:27] <kkathman> phoenixp3k,  ok, kewl then you should be ok..now what all are you trying to do with your cdrom?
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> dinocore,  i went to that Ubuntu guide and added the sources they said to add. :P and have plenty to play with
[06:27] <locomorto> @dincore: www.ubuntuguide.org for warty, www.ubuntuguide.org/temp for hoary
[06:27] <phoenixp3k> kkathman: i'm trying to install Unreal Tournament, I downlaoded the .run and executed it
[06:28] <typo> there's a bug in the straw package but there doesn't seam to exist in bugzilla. What should I do?
[06:28] <dinocore> Dr_Willis cool thanks
[06:28] <phoenixp3k> kkathman: It needs to copy files from the cdrom
[06:28] <libben> one thing that bugs me... before i did the update.. and while it was downloading the packages.... i had a nice resolution on 1400 something... and now i can only see a list of 1280 and 1024 and all the way down to 800x600.... and in xorg.conf i only have my res in there... its weird... and ive even rebooted the machine
[06:28] <libben> anyone
[06:28] <libben> ?
[06:28] <yfir> libben, i've heard of this problem before.
[06:28] <locomorto> try reinstalling hoary from a hoary disk
[06:28] <yfir> give me a sec
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> Even Rebooted! - Egads man! this isent Windows! :P
[06:28] <phoenixp3k> kkathman: but its says I have to mount my Disc One
[06:28] <locomorto> thats the onylt hing that worked for me
[06:29] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, hmm, it is the linux version right, allegedly ?
[06:29] <locomorto> only*
[06:29] <libben> yfir, im dying to know =)
[06:29] <_vince_> Has anyone here installed tvtime?
[06:29] <locomorto> you can try, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:29] <libben> why dont gnome menu get updated when i install such things like nvidia-settings and gftp
[06:30] <locomorto> it should
[06:30] <phoenixp3k> kkathman: well the cd is supposed to be all versions as indicated on the back cover
[06:30] <libben> locomorto, why would i wanna do that? when the file is good,,.. and i only have my res in there...
[06:30] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, only thing else I know, would be that you execute your install at the root level
[06:30] <locomorto> it has wroked for some people
[06:30] <typo> anyone know why 'straw' doesn't have a bugzilla entry?
[06:30] <locomorto> worked*
[06:31] <yfir> libben - i believe locomorto's advice was the solution i saw. worth trying
[06:31] <dinocore> anyone know how i can get valknut installed?
[06:31] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, and you might try  a sudo mount <device>
[06:31] <kkathman> phoenixp3k,  after that, Im a bit stuck on this one
[06:31] <yfir> dinocore - apt-get install dcgui-qt
[06:31] <kkathman> yfir might could help you
[06:31] <dinocore> i dont like dcgui-qt
[06:32] <phoenixp3k> Yeah. I tryed that, I just change the language of the install, I'll try to mount it back. That for the help
[06:32] <yfir> but you'll need the universe repositories
[06:32] <libben> yfir, locomorto ok... ill check it... but weird...
[06:32] <phoenixp3k> kkathman:*Thanks
[06:32] <kkathman> phoenixp3k,  Im sorry I couldnt be more help
[06:32] <yfir> dcgui-qt IS valknut
[06:33] <phoenixp3k> kkathman: I'll keep searching ;)
[06:33] <typo> should universe packages have bugs filed in bugzilla?
[06:33] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, one more thing, you might try another channel or another irc area and see if they have an answer for you
[06:33] <MacGyver> anyone got any experience setting up WPA on a centrino laptop?
[06:33] <libben> hmm... xserver.org is not installed =)
[06:33] <yfir> ;)
[06:34] <phoenixp3k> kkathman: Guess what, IRC is new to me as well but I'll manage much easily :p
[06:34] <_vince_> i've got tvtime installed but i get a can't find dev/video0 error, my bttv drivers are loading right, so how do i create a dev/video0?
[06:34] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, lemme check a few things, and I'll see if I can find something
[06:34] <typo> libben: you probably need xserver-xorg
[06:34] <dravine> how do I run the monitor probe for xorg ?
[06:35] <dravine> I switched hard drives to a different machine, and I guess the xconfig wasn't quite right.
[06:35] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, try this web site:   http://www.idoru.org/unreal.html
[06:35] <locomorto> Does anyone know how to get audio playback on dvds in vlc? I can get it other videos
[06:35] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, looks like they have your problem there
[06:35] <libben> weird xserver.org 6.8.2-8 is installed
[06:35] <libben> and still that mess
[06:36] <Xeon3D> locomorto, check this : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=23368
[06:36] <locomorto> check the vert and hoz refresh rates in /X11/xorg.conf are correct
[06:36] <libben> locomorto, they are... ive edited for my monitors spec..
[06:37] <phoenixp3k> kkathman: thanks I'll take a loot
[06:37] <libben> and theyre good
[06:37] <phoenixp3k> kkathman:*look
[06:37] <locomorto> Xeon3D: I already have that, i can get video just no audio
[06:38] <dravine> anyone know of a way to make ubuntu autodetect my hardware like it did during initial install?
[06:38] <Xeon3D> locomorto are you running it with sudo?
[06:38] <locomorto> apt-get?
[06:38] <locomorto> or vlc?
[06:39] <Xeon3D> vlc
[06:39] <locomorto> no
[06:39] <libben> my xorg.conf http://www.pastebin.com/265948
[06:39] <Xeon3D> does your sound card work in other apps ? (like rhytmnbox?)
[06:39] <libben> locomorto, u see any wrong in it.
[06:39] <locomorto> yes
[06:39] <locomorto> at Xeon3d
[06:39] <Xeon3D> check the audio advanced settings under preferences...
[06:41] <locomorto> @libben: it looks fine... The only way i could find to solve mine was to re-install hoary from the 5.04 disk
[06:42] <libben> ouh?
[06:42] <libben> reinstall =)
[06:42] <libben> I just made a fresh install =)
[06:45] <libben> locomorto, did u try to update graphic drivers first and such things ?
[06:45] <kiwigander> Hi, all, kiwigander here.  I've never used instant messaging before, so please forgive my breaches of etiquette.  I'm using Warty on an x86 and have a question re Synaptic.  I'd like to install octave-forge, which seems to live on one of the repositories to which my Synaptic is pointed.  But Synaptic doesn't seem to see octave-forge.  (It sees octave, which I've got installed, and several other octave packages.)  What do I do?
[06:46] <gingersnap> I have a sony vaio with some weird lock on the boot sector so that I can't install grub.  I can only install lilo.  grub-install /dev/hda gives "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly."
[06:46] <DarthFrog> kiwigander: Are you sure that octave-forge exists on those repostitories?
[06:46] <PacoBCN> I noticed gnome performance, especially firefox, have increased since last upgrade
[06:48] <Arnia> PacoBCN: I believe a lot of that is due to the profiling they've done of GTk
[06:48] <Arnia> PacoBCN: I've heard tale that they're profiling gstreamer and much else atm so we should get another speed hike in 2.12
[06:48] <locomorto> no, just used the default ones
[06:49] <jjpmr52> hi !
[06:49] <kiwigander> DarthFrog: Yes, one of the repositories my Synaptic look at is http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ (universe) and there is a copy of octave forge there with URL  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/o/octave-forge/octave-forge_2004.11.16-3_i386.deb.
[06:49] <PacoBCN> Arnia, well, I don't know what it is due to but it's great
[06:49] <PacoBCN> don't even know what profiling is, actualy
[06:49] <DarthFrog> kiwigander: Hmm, strange.  Well, you could always download it with wget and install it manually with dpkg.
[06:50] <Arnia> PacoBCN: I'm looking forward to using GTk 2.8 with Glitz. Hardware accelerated UI rendering *drools*
[06:50] <DarthFrog> kiwigander: Did you do a search in synaptic for octave-forge, using Name & Description?
[06:50] <PacoBCN> Arnia, sounds sweet
[06:50] <jjpmr52> s
[06:50] <DarthFrog> kiwigander: You could also do "apt-get update && apt-get install octave-forge".  That should work.
[06:50] <Arnia> PacoBCN: Profiling is where you trace execution of software to see where it spends most of its time and where it allocates memory. This allows you to optimise the code properly
[06:51] <MacGyver> Anyone come across this error "ioctl[IPW_IOCTL_WPA_SUPPLICANT] : Operation not supported" using wpa_supplicant? :-(
[06:52] <jjpmr52> Is there someone who could help me with Amavis
[06:53] <libben> why do i get this message? http://hem.passagen.se/standby/linux/whatswrong.png
[06:53] <kiwigander> DarthFrog, I have searched in Synaptic, but octave-forge isn't there (although octave-ci, octave-epstk and octave-matcompat are).  I can download the .deb and install it with dpkg, or even try to install from the tarball, but I was hoping to use Synaptic so I'd avoid future dependency problems.  Or is there a way of creating a repository on my own machine, downloading to there and then pointing Synaptic to it?
[06:54] <Arnia> libben: Basically the 'simple' upgrade mechanism can't handle those upgrades safely
[06:54] <Arnia> libben: Go into synaptic, click 'mark all upgrades' and choose 'smart upgrade'
[06:54] <libben> so what to do then?
[06:54] <libben> ok
[06:54] <Arnia> libben: Then click 'apply'
[06:54] <jjpmr52> it seems that i won't find an answer for Amavis ...here
[06:55] <PacoBCN> sorry, jjpmr52, I don't even know what Amavis is
[06:55] <jjpmr52> email scanner
[06:55] <PacoBCN> antivirus, I see now
[06:56] <derelm> i wonder if it's possible to uninstall a package with all its unneeded dependencies using apt-get or synaptic. eg. i want to try kubuntu, but if i dislike it, how do i completely rip it out of my system?
[06:56] <jjpmr52> is it a good thing to install ....i'm new to Linux
[06:56] <DarthFrog> kiwigander: If you install with dpkg, you avoid dependency problems.  Synaptic/apt-get, etc. are all front ends to dpkg which does the heavy lifting.  As long as you don't force the install of a deb package, you should be just fine.
[06:57] <kiwigander> Thank you, DarthFrog, I'll give it a go with dpkg.
[06:57] <DarthFrog> kiwigander: Have fun. :-)  And c'mon back to #Ubuntu, you're welcome here.
[06:57] <Whiffle> i don't have antivirus on mine.
[06:57] <_vince_> anyone here have a tvtuner card working?
[06:58] <Randall64> So I just install hoary rc and rebooted for the first time, and I hear the disk working away, but I get no display.
[06:58] <Randall64> s/all/alled/
[06:58] <Whiffle> any errors on the screen Randall64 ?
[06:59] <Randall64> Whiffle: nothing on either screen
[06:59] <Randall64> I can ping the box though and I hear the disk.
[06:59] <Whiffle> that is odd.
[06:59] <Whiffle> whats the last thing you see before you can't see anything?
[07:00] <Randall64> Well, I'd have to reboot uncleanly to see anything :)
[07:00] <Whiffle> hmm
[07:00] <derelm> Randall64, well i guess you see the bootloader screen, where you can chose the kernel to boot etc
[07:01] <Randall64> Yeah, I got some kernel startup stuff but I should have been paying more attention.
[07:01] <Randall64> I'm searching the mailing lists now.
[07:01] <derelm> Randall64, well, to search the list you should know where it breaks for you :)
[07:02] <dravine> is there a way to run the post install config again?
[07:02] <Randall64> ahh, it took ctrl-alt-del
[07:03] <Whiffle> so yeah does anybody know where all the menu files are on hoary}? i instaleld the menu editor program, and it brings up a menu to edit, but it looks nothing like my menu...
[07:03] <Randall64> Looks like my fb might be hosed.
[07:04] <Randall64> oh, that's weird, ctrl-alt-del and now I see startup init stuff
[07:04] <jldugger_> randall: you using nvidia drivers?
[07:05] <derelm> Randall64, ctrl-alt-del usually initiates the shutdown
[07:05] <yfir> anyone here use xfce?
[07:05] <Whiffle> i do
[07:05] <Randall64> jldugger: no idea what it does after the first reboot
[07:05] <yfir> i'm looking for a light-weight desktop environment for another system of mine. just curious what you think of it
[07:05] <Whiffle> i love it.
[07:05] <Randall64> hey, it started X that time
[07:06] <Whiffle> i tried fluxbox, openbox, gnome, kde,
[07:06] <errr> yfir: tried fluxbox? http://fluxbox.org/
[07:06] <yfir> no, haven't tried that either
[07:06] <locomorto> what about XFCE?
[07:06] <jldugger_> yfir: ratpoison!
[07:06] <Whiffle> gnome and kde are nice, just too much for me, and the *boxes were too minimal, xfce seems to be a nice balance
[07:06] <derelm> yfir, xfce is really nice and lightweight
[07:06] <errr> yfir: I use fluxbox on all my systems
[07:06] <yfir> ok, i'll give it a try
[07:07] <raydogg> anyone get ubuntu working in 1900x1200 resolution ?
[07:07] <raydogg> @ 60hz
[07:07] <crimsun> that depends on your hardware's capabilities
[07:07] <Whiffle> should just be a matter of the x config and your hardware, unless the gnomes are at it again
[07:08] <Randall64> I'm not terribly sure I wanted this to automatically apt-get the latest hoary packages.
[07:08] <Randall64> So much for snapshot.
[07:08] <Randall64> rc that is
[07:08] <raydogg> display is native 1900x1200 and i have a radeon 9700
[07:09] <Whiffle> speaking of gnomes, my X just crashed for no apparent reason
[07:10] <bc> ok, this is very strange; kubuntu rc is playing divx(or xvid) avi files with Kaffeine without my having installed anything.  Except RealPlayer and HelixPlayer, and I don't see how they could have done it.
[07:10] <derelm> funny thing, on a fresh hoary install, starting rythmbox won't let you playback mp3s...
[07:10] <bc> is divx etc supported out of the box by kubuntu now?
[07:10] <kkathman> Whiffle thats happened to me on other boxes under RedHat, but not under Ubuntu so far
[07:11] <Whiffle> yeah i duno, it wasn't doing this yesterday
[07:11] <CHaiNS> what the hell is rythembox?
[07:11] <Nula> raydogg, backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf, then run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, generate the new config from the wizard
[07:11] <Whiffle> i updated today and things seem to keep breaking
[07:11] <Whiffle> hmmm.
[07:11] <CHaiNS> ppl never stop blabbing about it in here
[07:11] <derelm> CHaiNS, its the "Music-Player" ;)
[07:11] <jldugger_> I locked up my box once while resizing an openGL app of my own design. that was nifty
[07:11] <Whiffle> music player
[07:11] <CHaiNS> xmms is the music player
[07:11] <Whiffle> i ditched it first thing, it crashed first thing
[07:11] <yfir> rythmbox is gnome's attempt at itunes
[07:11] <bc> CHainNs, it's a player and music organizer.
[07:12] <NetGeek> how do I make synaptic use gnome for configure dialogs?
[07:12] <Randall64> It wasn't smart enough to install an smp kernel.
[07:12] <CHaiNS> ill check it out i guess
[07:12] <CHaiNS> brb
[07:12] <dravine> does anyone have any ideas on getting ubuntu to go into the initial install configuration? I had to install the OS on a different machine.
[07:12] <Whiffle> boot from CD?
[07:12] <derelm> but how to i teach my system to playback mp3s?
[07:12] <jdub> Randall64: it would have been, if we had room to include so many kernels on the install cd.
[07:12] <dravine> cant
[07:12] <dravine> no cdrom drive
[07:12] <raydogg> derelm, install xmms
[07:12] <dravine> Toshiba libretto 110CT
[07:12] <Whiffle> aH , now that is a problem.
[07:12] <jdub> derelm: install gstreamer0.8-mad from universe.
[07:12] <derelm> jdub, thanks
[07:12] <dravine> couldn't boot from a cd if I had the pcmcia card cdrom any way
[07:12] <paulproteus> derelm: It's described on RestrictedFormats, too.
[07:12] <Randall64> jdub: Is there a minimal boot iso for network install?
[07:13] <jdub> derelm: can't distribute it by default for reasonably obvious reasons
[07:13] <Nula> derelm, install beep-media-player , xmms is old stuff (gtk 1.x)
[07:13] <jdub> Randall64: yeah, in the archive
[07:13] <derelm> paulproteus, jdub thanks again
[07:13] <Whiffle> brb
[07:13] <crimsun> if you're using b-m-p and are experiencing problems, now's the time to let me know ;-)
[07:13] <derelm> Nula, rhythmbox is good enough for me ;) but yes, i would install bmp if i needed something like xmms ;)
[07:14] <yfir> derelm: is this what you're after? :  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:14] <Nula> crimsun, isn't the bmp package the same as the debian package? or a separate ubuntu build?
[07:14] <crimsun> Nula: it's not the same.  I've applied two small patches.
[07:14] <Nula> it works quite fine.. except I wish it had a different difault skin than the debian skin
[07:14] <Nula> maybe an ubuntu skin would be nice
[07:15] <Whiffle> i think that took care of that..
[07:15] <crimsun> I accept Ubuntu skins under a DFSG-free license  *hint*
[07:15] <Xeon3D> Do you happen to know where I can get a monitor's available resolutions \ refresh rates?
[07:15] <derelm> yfir, yes, thanks
[07:15] <Whiffle> google, if you can get the model number of the monitor
[07:15] <Arnia> jdub: Is the GDM theme going to return to normal now? ;)
[07:15] <jldugger_> xeon: the manual would be a good start
[07:15] <Randall64> Xeon3D: X itself can get those from EDID when it starts.
[07:16] <derelm> oh, btw: i noticed that ubuntu is started with kernel command "splash" ... makes me wonder, as i don't so no splash anywhere. what is it supposed to do?
[07:16] <jldugger_> xeon: or if you know the dot clock, that's another good hint
[07:16] <Xeon3D> I'm clueless
[07:16] <Whiffle> derelm, i've been wondering that too
[07:16] <Arnia> Oh dear god... I can't get to planet gnome
[07:16] <Xeon3D> Cause I know this shitty SyncMaster 750s can do 1280x1024 @ 70 hz
[07:16] <Xeon3D> but it only gives me the option for 60.
[07:16] <jldugger_> xeon: listen to randall64, he sounds on the right track
[07:16] <jdub> Arnia: yes
[07:16] <derelm> Whiffle, whenever i asked, everyone around was wondering ;)
[07:17] <Arnia> planetkde.org is back pointing to Planet KDE whilst planet.gnome.org is pointing to Planet KDE
[07:17] <Xeon3D> Randall64, would you care to ellaborate on that sentece sir?
[07:17] <Whiffle> lol
[07:17] <DarthFrog> Xeon3D: Samsung Syncmasters are quite good monitors.  It  should be auto-detected.
[07:17] <Whiffle> http://www.directive.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=D&Product_Code=S02CM129&Category_Code=monitor
[07:17] <Whiffle> ^---syncmaster 750s
[07:17] <Arnia> Woo... stupid DNS
[07:17] <jdub> Arnia: we just switched back.
[07:17] <jdub> Arnia: no dns involved.
[07:18] <Arnia> jdub: Oh, just bad timing then :)
[07:18] <Arnia> (on my part :)
[07:18] <jldugger_> xeon: what makes you think it can actually do that speed?
[07:18] <Xeon3D> DarthFrog,  I got an 950p as well :D
[07:18] <Whiffle> <---17" viewsonic and a almost-worn-out-but-i-got-it-free CTX
[07:18] <jldugger_> the max resolution usually means the least refresh
[07:18] <DarthFrog> Whiffle: Free is good!
[07:18] <Whiffle> definitly!
[07:18] <libben> hmm... tried to change the refresh rates and that dident help my screen res problem..... this is really weird =)..... any command to set resolution from console?
[07:18] <Whiffle> 2 monitors are so wonderful if ya got the desk spae
[07:19] <Xeon3D> jldugger_,  I remember that Windows used that freq.
[07:19] <Xeon3D> but I'm not so sure if this graphics card supports it.
[07:19] <Randall64> oh, no multilib in ubuntu?
[07:19] <Whiffle> which graphics card Xeon3D ?
[07:19] <Xeon3D> it's a very-new-latest-hit-on-the-market S3 Virge GX2
[07:19] <gabaug> I have a rt2500 wireless-G/B PCI card installed, and it's picking up great signal but can't connect to the router's dhcp server...I was able to yesterday then upgraded kernel and rebuilt the rt2500 module...ideas?
[07:19] <Whiffle> o
[07:19] <Xeon3D> ^_^
[07:20] <Whiffle> lol
[07:20] <aka_daemon> gabaug, i have an rt2500, too and everything works fine...
[07:20] <aka_daemon> whats the output
[07:20] <aka_daemon> of ifup ra0
[07:20] <Xeon3D> damn I really need to get another graphics card..
[07:20] <gabaug> aka_daemon: no special iwconfig settings needed..? I can't figure out how I got it working yesterday and not today
[07:21] <Xeon3D> are S3 ProSavage Cards (Integrated Chipsets) supported?
[07:21] <aka_daemon> got the essid and channel set?
[07:21] <gabaug> aka_daemon: it's normal dhcp output, doing DHCPDISCOVER's
[07:21] <Nula> anyonne knows of a decent Mail notification applet for Gnome??? I tried mail-notifier since it supports gmail but no luck.. it fails to authenticate properly with Gmail
[07:21] <aka_daemon> I would check the log of your ap whether your wlan card tried to connect to the server..
[07:21] <aka_daemon> *ap
[07:22] <aka_daemon> well, then they don't arrive at the ap?! check the log of your ap as I said..
[07:22] <kkathman> back shortly
[07:23] <Whiffle> dangit...x crashed again...HMM>
[07:23] <punkrockguy318> Hello!  I'm looking through my sshd lots... Apparently someone was trying to brute force my machine or something.. i have around 100 invalid user errors all from the same IP address.. How can I block this IP address?
[07:23] <Randall64> I went looking on debian.org for a ppc64 port but couldn't find one.
[07:23] <yfir> Nula: you tried 'mail-notification' package?
[07:23] <Nula> yfir, I did but that package is broken with gmail.. at least with my experience
[07:23] <Nula> yfir, it fails to authenticate
[07:24] <gabaug> aka_daemon: it's logs are empty...it does not appear to receive any of the transmissions ... it's a 802.11b ap ... is yours?
[07:24] <yfir> ok. i haven't tried it so i don't know, but know it supposedly supports gmail
[07:24] <aka_daemon> d-link 900AP+
[07:24] <aka_daemon> what's the output of $ iwconfig?
[07:24] <gabaug> aka_daemon: is that 802.11b or g?
[07:24] <aka_daemon> g
[07:25] <jldugger_> punkrockguy318, well, you'd use iptables or some firewall GUI program to set a drop rule on the IP, but its not gonna protect you much
[07:25] <aka_daemon> but that shouldn't make a difference!
[07:25] <kkathman> ok back :)
[07:25] <punkrockguy318> jldugger_, what about /etc/hosts.deny
[07:25] <gabaug> iwconfig shows normal output for ra0, essid as I've selected, everything looks fine..I can paste you the full text if you want
[07:26] <teeohxd> i was recently introduced to ubuntu, is there any reason to switch from xp pro?
[07:26] <borgista> Yes...it's stable, little virus danger, no spyware.
[07:26] <locomorto> no virus, good community support
[07:26] <borgista> It's free...and regulary updated.
[07:26] <gabaug> teeohxd: no horrendous EULA's to worry about
[07:26] <helio7> teeohxd: try it yourself and see if you like it (=
[07:27] <yfir> freedom is the only good reason, teeohxd
[07:27] <bc> Can someone explain to me why smbclient intermittently decides to ask me for user id and password, but usually doesn't?  I didn't set up anything for this.
[07:27] <locomorto> and your not supporting an illegal monopoly as found by the US courts
[07:27] <jldugger_> teeohxd: there's no technical reasons to really switch if you're an average user who just wants a working computer to chat, email and maybe play games.
[07:27] <bc> This happened before with gnome, now with a new install of kubuntu, it's getting on my nerves!
[07:28] <teeohxd> well i will be attending purdue to study cs, i have heard it is very good for programmers.
[07:28] <Whiffle> weird.
[07:28] <yfir> teeohxd: if you study cs, you'll eventually have to be familiar with linux. ubuntu is as good a start as any
[07:29] <jldugger_> teeohxd, well, if you have an interest in operating systems design and programming, linux provides you with many points and levels of access
[07:29] <jldugger_> yfir: unfortunately, I have to disagree with that. you can get away with a CS degree and no relevant familiarity with linux.
[07:29] <snaga> Firefox 1.0.2 on hoary seems to freeze alot on pages with Flash. Is this happening to others?
[07:30] <yfir> jldugger: you are probably right
[07:30] <geneo93> snaga:  no
[07:30] <jldugger_> anyways, I like ubuntu because it provides a hell of a lot of software, and regular updates and improvements to them
[07:30] <Whiffle> my last roommate was a cs major, he didn't know jack about OS's, just programming
[07:30] <teeohxd> will all linux software work with ubuntu?
[07:31] <snaga> There's a few messages on the forums about it, but no ideas really
[07:31] <locomorto> pretty much
[07:31] <DarthFrog> jldugger_: That's  really the least of what Ubuntu offers.  :-)
[07:31] <jldugger_> teeohxd: that depends on how you define software ;)
[07:31] <locomorto> you may need to get some KDE libs though
[07:31] <DarthFrog> teeohxd: A qualified yes.
[07:31] <punkrockguy318> what package contains apf firewall?
[07:32] <jldugger_> everything you'd expect on a linux desktop is there, although if you try hard, you can find some software that only runs on ancient 2.2 linux kernels
[07:32] <gabaug> aka_daemon: yesterday I finally got it working for a while (until the new kernel and the reboot) and I thought that last thing I did that got it working was setting the wireless-ap MAC address ... do you have to do that?
[07:32] <gabaug> doh
[07:32] <jldugger_> teeohxd, but debian/ ubuntu package and build pretty much every piece of software that you'd want (that they can legally give you)
[07:33] <gabaug> aka_daemon: yesterday I finally got it working for a while (until the new kernel and the reboot) and I thought that last thing I did that got it working was setting the wireless-ap MAC address ... do you have to do that?
[07:33] <yfir> teeohxd: if you are at all interested in *nix systems, ubuntu is a pretty easy, stress-free introduction to them
[07:33] <yfir> but if not, stick with XP
[07:33] <aka_daemon> nope..
[07:33] <teeohxd> is there any websites to look at they types of ubuntu software?
[07:34] <locomorto> what do you mean by that?
[07:34] <borgista> Well...you'd have to be familiar with the software names, teeohxd
[07:34] <Whiffle> I use synaptic to search
[07:34] <borgista> or else it'll be Greek to you.
[07:34] <jldugger_> teeohxd: well, i dont know of a Ubuntu specific one, but Debian (which ubuntu is based on) has packages.debian.org
[07:34] <jldugger_> that page has a huge list you can browse and search
[07:34] <Whiffle> anybody know some good backup software btw?
[07:35] <jldugger_> usually, I find half the trick is figuring out what they've named the software I want
[07:35] <jldugger_> like whiffle
[07:35] <DarthFrog> Whiffle: tar or bru.  BRU is commercial, though.
[07:35] <locomorto> @Whiffle cp * /cdrom0?
[07:35] <borgista> backup software?
[07:35] <yfir> haha
[07:35] <aka_daemon> well, is you essid and channel set on the wlan card? check with $iwconfig
[07:35] <Whiffle> well  i want to set it up to be automatic
[07:35] <Randall64> ubuntu on, OS X now
[07:35] <jldugger_> whiffle: he's got you on the tar comment =)
[07:35] <Whiffle> yeah i know :D
[07:35] <Whiffle> i just suck at writing scripts
[07:36] <Whiffle> i couldn't write one to save my life or the dog i don't have.
[07:36] <gabaug> aka_daemon: setting the channel is no different than setting the freq, right?
[07:36] <jldugger_> i hear a program called Amanda is well suited to your task
[07:36] <DarthFrog> Whiffle: O'Reilly publishes a book on bash.  It's well worth getting.
[07:36] <Nekohayo> any idea why xscreensaver (glslideshow) doesn't display all my pictures? I still get that funky "video color test" image 3 times out of 4
[07:37] <Whiffle> i ll look into that
[07:37] <DarthFrog> Whiffle: For automatic, set it up as a cron job.
[07:37] <Nekohayo> I use simple jpegs (sometimes gifs and pngs)
[07:37] <Whiffle> yeah, thats what I did back in gentoo...cron job with a nasty cp hack onto my spare hd, i'm looking for someting a little more...polished.
[07:37] <jldugger_> whiffle: you hvae a tape drive handy?
[07:37] <Whiffle> Nekohayo, did you tell it which directory to look in?
[07:38] <Whiffle> nah, just a spare hard drive
[07:38] <DarthFrog> Whiffle: BRU is very good.  But it costs.
[07:38] <jldugger_> well then tar or cp is about all you really need.
[07:38] <Nekohayo> Whiffle, what do you mean, "direction" ? what does it have to do with the "test screen"? (curious)
[07:38] <aka_daemon> not as far as I know..
[07:38] <DarthFrog> Whiffle: Actually, you should investigate rsync and/or rdiff.
[07:39] <Whiffle> if it doesn't have a directory to look for pictures in it throws up the test screen
[07:39] <teeohxd> thanks for the advice
[07:39] <Nekohayo> uh sorry, my bad, I read "direction" instead of directory.. yes I did tell it
[07:39] <locomorto> Does anyone know how to run Selida 2 under wine?
[07:40] <Nekohayo> the problem is that it displays _some_ of them only
[07:40] <Whiffle> yeah really cp would work fine, all i want it to do is copy files onto the other drive and then delete the old stuff for me
[07:40] <aka_daemon> just check the iwconfig settings on whether they correspond with the ap's setting...
[07:40] <Whiffle> hmm
[07:41] <Whiffle> hmm I'm not sure Nekohayo , I just set xscreensaver to a directory and it went no problem...
[07:41] <Nula> I'm wondering if this is a bug with Gnome, but with Hoary whenever I download or save something to desktop it Appears "Off" the screen on the left side, aka half of the icon is outside viewable area. Anyone else has this problem?
[07:42] <Nekohayo> weird...
[07:42] <borgista> Nula....hit "ctrl-r" to refreshop the deskto
[07:42] <borgista> desktop*
[07:42] <borgista> then it appears.
[07:42] <borgista> and they always downloaded off to the left.
[07:42] <Whiffle> try hitting the "grab desktop images" box and see if it works with that
[07:42] <borgista> that i don't know how to fix.
[07:42] <Nula> borgista, this is not the refresh bug
[07:42] <Nula> the refresh bug was fixed in the last update
[07:42] <Nula> a few hours ago it seems
[07:42] <borgista> Oh...well...hmm....
[07:43] <Nekohayo> Whiffle, nope.. weirdness :)
[07:43] <Nula> I have to do a "Cleanup by Name" or manually move the icon into a proper position
[07:43] <Amaranth> Whiffle: Don't you want mv then?
[07:44] <Whiffle> nah if I move them then I don't have them on the first drive..
[07:44] <Whiffle> and since its a backup..
[07:44] <inva|id> how do you make a shortcut to a folder, in a terminal?
[07:44] <borgista> ln -s /directory /where/you/want/to/link
[07:44] <inva|id> ty
[07:44] <borgista> at least, that's what i do.
[07:44] <locomorto> ln -s /media/windows
[07:45] <Whiffle> thats what i do too
[07:45] <locomorto> or that
[07:45] <Whiffle> although i always screw up the order of the directories a couple of times first ;D
[07:45] <locomorto> Whiffle try using tab to autocomplete it for you
[07:46] <Whiffle> well what I do is put the /where/i/want/to/link first and the directory second
[07:46] <Whiffle> and then it doesn't work
[07:46] <Whiffle> so i switch ti around
[07:46] <Whiffle> and it works :D
[07:46] <locomorto> lol
[07:48] <Nekohayo> Whiffle, I have narrowed down to 3 pics, is it possible that it doesn't handle small images?
[07:49] <Whiffle> it might not like them
[07:49] <Whiffle> it might have a minimum size requirement or something
[07:50] <yfir> Whiffle: regarding your backup needs, you might want to take a look here: http://colas.nahaboo.net/software/rsync-incr/
[07:50] <yfir> i've been curious about it but haven't had a chance to look in any depth
[07:51] <Whiffle> that looks like exactly what I might want!
[07:51] <Whiffle> thanks!
[07:52] <tedora> I am new and useing Kubuntu there is no sound  and I am very new in linx so concider me as zero knowledg
[07:52] <Whiffle> no problem
[07:52] <Whiffle> do you hear the little ding ding at the login screen?
[07:53] <DarthFrog> tedora: Welcome to the Light Side of The Force!
[07:54] <tedora> I hane the icon of the speaker but no system sound or even sound from cd by the way it is Kubuntu Live CD and thak you for your nice welcome
[07:54] <jldugger_> tedora: simple steps first! are the cables plugged in correctly? is the power to your speakers on?
[07:54] <DarthFrog> Whiffle: Things are clearer if you preceed your comment with the nick of the intended recepient. :-)
[07:54] <Whiffle> yeah im sorry, i get in a hurry at times, DarthFrog
[07:54] <DarthFrog> Whiffle: np
[07:55] <Nekohayo> Whiffle, just so you know, I doubled the size in GIMP, the image now appears... but there is still this video-test thing lurking around, rarely
[07:55] <niterider> hello
[07:55] <Whiffle> weird
[07:55] <Nekohayo> yup
[07:55] <DarthFrog> niterider: Hi, welcome to #Ubuntu.
[07:55] <Whiffle> Nekohayo, I blame the gnomes.
[07:55] <Nekohayo> :)
[07:56] <tedora> yes every thing is conected and I have sound when I boot to M$
[07:56] <niterider> how do i get streaming video to work in ubuntu warty....btw...thanks for the welcome
[07:56] <niterider> so far
[07:56] <Whiffle> tedora, which sound card do you have?
[07:56] <DarthFrog> tedora: Do you hear any sound anytime in Kubuntu?
[07:56] <DarthFrog> tedora: Any sound at all?
[07:56] <Whiffle> niterider, streaming video in like firefox?
[07:56] <niterider> i've installed totem xine w32 codecs and realplayer and xvid4
[07:56] <niterider> yup
[07:57] <niterider> or even if it pops up toten xine
[07:57] <Whiffle> i've always been a fan of mplayer and mplayerplug-in, they play almost anything
[07:57] <Nekohayo> What I'd like to see is people removing those annoying embedded medias!
[07:57] <niterider> example being if i want to check out those movie clips on yahoo i get no player installed
[07:57] <dracflamloc> ok, good games that work on linux, who can name some (besides doom3 and ut2k4)
[07:58] <yfir> gnugo!
[07:58] <borgista> Mahjongg.
[07:58] <Nekohayo> dracflamloc, enemy territory?
[07:58] <Whiffle> dracflamloc, enemy  territory, warcraft3,
[07:58] <Nekohayo> (staying in FPS)
[07:58] <borgista> Frozeb Bubble.
[07:58] <chavo> Frozen-Bubble rules.
[07:58] <borgista> Tetravex
[07:58] <dracflamloc> hm
[07:58] <Nekohayo> Scorched3D
[07:58] <DarthFrog> Frozen-Bubble rawks! :-)
[07:58] <niterider> apart from the vidoe problem i love ubuntu
[07:58] <dracflamloc> my girlfriend is obssessed with frozen bubble
[07:58] <niterider> oops...sorry video
[07:58] <Nekohayo> frozen bubble you say? *tries*
[07:58] <dracflamloc> niterider, video problem?
[07:58] <borgista> Why have 3D games when you have Frozen Bubble?
[07:59] <borgista> sudo apt-get install frozen-bubble
[07:59] <Nekohayo> heeey it's not there by default! *apt-gets*
[07:59] <Whiffle> niterider, are these yahoo trailers?
[07:59] <DarthFrog> It's amazing how addictive Frozen Bubble is.  It's an extremely simple game but, man, is it fun.
[07:59] <Whiffle> im trying to see if they work on mine :D
[07:59] <niterider> just like i said i go to yahoo movies to see a clip (using Firefox from backports) and it says no player
[07:59] <jldugger_> Nekohayo, you should stop, before it consumes you
[07:59] <niterider> yes yahoo trailers
[07:59] <yfir> frozen bubble? hmmm
[07:59] <rdw200169> why does bittorrent work so well?
[08:00] <Whiffle> i like the flash helicopter game the best :D
[08:00] <Nekohayo> because it's decentralized?
[08:00] <borgista> I agree with Nekohayo
[08:00] <jldugger_> rdw: because its egalitarian and merit based, and designed to work that way
[08:00] <Nekohayo> heheh :)
[08:00] <jldugger_> Nekohayo, its not decentralized
[08:00] <jldugger_> its just distributed
[08:00] <yfir> rdw: probably because it is distributed sources
[08:00] <niterider> is it yahoo that's the problem, cause even my realplayer don't work on there
[08:00] <Nekohayo> well.. I mean.. oh whatever XD
[08:00] <tedora> yes when I log in I hear the sound but after that nothing and the sound card is with the mother board I will check this and good night I will back tommorow since I realy like the way it works
[08:01] <rdw200169> so i'm getting chunks of ubuntu from servers and users?
[08:01] <Whiffle> im not sure, yahoo isn't loadking, i dont know if its just taking forever to load or the vid is borked.
[08:01] <Nekohayo> that's how they often say so in French.. "Bittorrent est un systme dcentralis" ;)
[08:01] <Whiffle> i can play apple quicktime trailers, foxnews realvideo no problem tho
[08:01] <yfir> rdw: yes, little pieces from different people
[08:01] <niterider> i get a pop up saying basically i don't have a player installed
[08:01] <borgista> foxnews?....ew.
[08:01] <niterider> k..i'll go there just to see
[08:01] <rdw200169> kinda like the way eMule/amule works ?
[08:01] <Whiffle> thats rigtht fox news :D
[08:02] <Whiffle> looks like yahoo is windows media
[08:02] <jldugger_> rdw200169, yes, you're basically trading parts of the file with other people, so the central source can efficently give out parts
[08:02] <dracflamloc> ny way to make the items in the apllications menu smaller?
[08:02] <dracflamloc> any*
[08:02] <niterider> yes, it seems so but i thought totem xine would work cause i installed w32codecs
[08:02] <Whiffle> ah ha got it...i clcked "theatrical trailer" and it loaded right up
[08:02] <Whiffle> amazing how that happens.
[08:03] <Whiffle> so yeah mplayerplug-in still rules.
[08:03] <borgista> niterider, are you in hoary or warty?
[08:03] <niterider> k...i'll try again...so i have installed all i need ...totem xine, xvid 4 w32codecs
[08:03] <niterider> warty
[08:03] <borgista> why not install the backported mplayerplug-in w/mplayer?
[08:03] <borgista> that usually works REALLY well.
[08:04] <niterider> k i'll do that
[08:04] <niterider> ty
[08:04] <Whiffle> i uninstalled totem first thing, it crashed on me so  I said good bye
[08:04] <niterider> i'll be back
[08:04] <Nekohayo> *playing frozen bubble* hmm that's the same as "Bust a Move" :P without the funny voices
[08:04] <rdw200169> bittorent programming is open source (GPL)?
[08:04] <inva|id> I have a second harddrive (/dev/hdb5) formatted in NTFS format -- how would I go about making it accesable by linux ?
[08:04] <niterider> thanks again
[08:04] <desrt> Whiffle; wrong solution.
[08:04] <desrt> Whiffle; apt-get install totem-xine
[08:04] <desrt> totem doesn't suck.  it's just gstreamer
[08:04] <niterider> i did that
[08:04] <desrt> gstreamer is the way of the future... it's just not quite ready for the present :/
[08:05] <Whiffle> desrt, ah possibly, i went with what I've always used...mplayer
[08:05] <niterider> totenm xine then xvid4 then w32codecs
[08:05] <desrt> Whiffle; totem will rock your socks
[08:05] <locomorto> sudo mount /dev/hdb5 -t ntfs /media/windows -o umask=0222
[08:05] <locomorto> but before that
[08:05] <locomorto> sudo mkdir /media/windows
[08:05] <jldugger_> totem sucks; if its because of gstreamer, well then totem still sucks reguardless of WHY it sucks
[08:05] <ice_1963> how about bzflag for a game ???
[08:06] <desrt> jldugger; stop being ignorant
[08:06] <inva|id> locomorto: I dont want the windows data from it, I just want to use it for extra space
[08:06] <locomorto> lol, vlc pwn totem
[08:06] <locomorto> ah
[08:06] <locomorto> just formato an existing it from within qtparted and iether amke a new parition or merge it int
[08:06] <locomorto> woops
[08:06] <Nula> the VLC guys need to take courses in human readable/usable interfaces :)
[08:06] <Whiffle> i have xine, mplayer and realplalyer installed, i havn't met anthing I can't play yet :D
[08:06] <jldugger_> the truth hurts. I don't feel very "progressive and forward thinking" when i have to close the damn thing before opening a new file
[08:07] <desrt> jldugger; then install its as its meant to be used - with the xine backend
[08:07] <locomorto> just format it from within qtparted and either amke a new parition or merge it into an existing one
[08:07] <inva|id> thank you
[08:07] <desrt> don't say totem sucks just because you're using the experimental backend that is known to not work properly
[08:07] <jldugger_> its the default ubuntu version
[08:07] <jldugger_> someone clearly thinks differently
[08:07] <desrt> so maybe you should be flaming ubuntu instead of ignorantly flaming totem?
[08:07] <jldugger_> naw
[08:08] <desrt> of course not.  that'd be like admiting you were wrong.
[08:08] <Whiffle> actually i've been using xfmedia today, i'll be liking that when its done.
[08:08] <jldugger_> might as well just install xine
[08:09] <Whiffle> bah just install them all ;)
[08:09] <ice_1963> xine is the best =)
[08:09] <subterrific> jldugger_: ubuntu installs gstreamer by default to turn us into QA for gstremaer i think
[08:09] <niterider> i'll be back  thanks again
[08:09] <Xeon3D> Nula, there is a thing called Skins!!!
[08:09] <Nula> subterrific, haha
[08:09] <Xeon3D> Nula, try and start vlc with -I skins2
[08:09] <jldugger_> which by the way, I use instead, xine
[08:10] <locomorto> what bash command to unzip .zip files?
[08:10] <Xeon3D> and get some skins from www.videolan.org/vlc
[08:10] <desrt> or install totem-xine and get the functionality of xine with a nice interface
[08:10] <Xeon3D> locomorto,  unzip :P
[08:10] <jldugger_> or a nice blue screen when i try to view this file
[08:10] <locomorto> unzip <thing>.zip?
[08:10] <jldugger_> and now its not. strange
[08:10] <Xeon3D> y
[08:10] <desrt> jldugger; whatever
[08:10] <Nula> Xeon3D, I am aware of that, but I think totem sticks with gnome HIG and their user interface presentation is actually well thoughtout by default on EVERY system totem is installed on
[08:11] <Xeon3D> totem is a movie player...
[08:11] <Xeon3D> xmms is not.
[08:11] <Whiffle> um i think totem just barfed on me.
[08:11] <subterrific> if you have trouble with gstreamer and its with a freely available file, it helps the gstreamer guys greatly if you report the bug and give them the file
[08:11] <Xeon3D> if you want xmms with Gnome interface.. use Rhythmbox
[08:11] <desrt> or muine
[08:11] <Xeon3D> (how does one spell rhythm)
[08:11] <subterrific> or beep-media-player
[08:11] <desrt> muine is more gnomey
[08:12] <jldugger_> what im really looking for is winamp with a gnome interface
[08:12] <Xeon3D> is there anyway I can minimize xmms to a "docklet" or something similar...
[08:12] <subterrific> jldugger_: thats beep-media-player
[08:12] <Xeon3D> jldugger_, use bmp.
[08:12] <subterrific> xmms fork that uses gtk2
[08:12] <subterrific> very nice job, supports winamp skins
[08:13] <keyes> Le pape agonise : Le pape agonise : http://PlaceLibre.ath.cx/propagande/JeanPaulII.jpg
[08:13] <desrt> skins are evil :)
[08:13] <qcompson> beep is sweet
[08:13] <Whiffle> xfce is great!
[08:13] <Whiffle> :D
[08:14] <desrt> ya.  xfce isn't bad at all
[08:15] <Whiffle> i need to uninstall all the extra gnome stuff though..hmm.
[08:15] <Xeon3D> how does one minimize xmms  l Winamp? (to the system tray or something)
[08:16] <da_bon_bon> anyone here have the game uplink : hacker elite ?
[08:16] <jldugger_> da_bon_bon, yes, but ive never seen anyone get it working on linux
[08:17] <locomorto> dont think you can
[08:17] <locomorto> Xeon, are you using a Gnome, KDE or other?
[08:17] <jldugger_> im pretty sure ive seen a way to put xmms in the system tray
[08:18] <da_bon_bon> jldugger_: the game has a linux version too
[08:18] <jldugger_> da_bon_bon, I know thast
[08:18] <jldugger_> ive just never seen it work under linux
[08:18] <bur[n] er> xfce finally made it into ubuntu :)
[08:20] <pink_> help!
[08:20] <Whiffle> pink_, ?
[08:20] <Xeon3D> locomorto, Gnome :D
[08:21] <Myrtti> pink_: we're not telepathics
[08:21] <pink_> i am installing Ubuntu 5.05 on a dell computer and it gets through the install and it boots and loads off the hard drive and then when it should go into graphics mode it says "Cannot Display This Video Mode"
[08:22] <locomorto> Xeon3D, yu might want to try Beep Media Player, i find it to be much more usbale the XMMS, and it fully support all xmms pulgins
[08:22] <Whiffle> pink_, sounds to me like the X configuration isn't correct
[08:23] <pink_> so how do i adjust it so that it'll work?
[08:24] <Whiffle> lets see here.. what you'll need to know is the resolution of your computer monitor and the refresh rates
[08:24] <demism_> how do I get my ethernet card to start-up in 10baseT-FD instead of HD?
[08:25] <demism_> mii-tool -F 10baseT-FD does this but I'd like it to boot up correctly any ideas?
[08:25] <demism_> what is the configuration file for the ethernet card?
[08:25] <pink_> does 1280x1024 75Hz help?
[08:25] <Whiffle> its a start
[08:26] <pink_> so what now?
[08:26] <grelli> demism_: you could probably do it in /etc/network/interfaces
[08:27] <grelli> adding either a pre-up or up line to the iface section
[08:27] <kdp> i'm thinking of getting laptop, but i always hear that wireless is an issue...does it work with intel wireless cards?
[08:27] <Whiffle> we need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf or XF86Config-4 ,  i can't remember which you would have
[08:27] <demism_> what distro is he using?
[08:28] <demism_> i mean release
[08:28] <Whiffle> there will be a line in there about screen resolution, and 2 for refresh rate, horizontal and vertical, do you know the model number of your monitor pink_ ?
[08:28] <pink_> how do i do that? cuz if you'll recall it tries to load into the graphics version (which is where i would usually use the terminal) but i can't get in there because it won't let me view graphics
[08:28] <pink_> um...i'm using Ubuntu 5.04
[08:28] <Whiffle> yeah it'll give up after a couple of tries
[08:28] <demism_> then it will be in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:29] <pink_> my model number is dell e173fp
[08:29] <Whiffle> what DemisM  said :D
[08:29] <pink_> (thats the moniter)
[08:29] <pink_> but it doesnt give up it just has a black screen with white words on it "Cannot Display Video Mode" or whatever i said earlier...
[08:30] <Whiffle> OH i bet thats the monitor telling you that, not the computer
[08:30] <Whiffle> in that case hit "ctrl+alt+f2" and that should bring you to a text mode
[08:31] <pink_> oh ya i think its the moniter and not the computer too
[08:31] <pink_> ok...but what do i do from txt mode to get to graphics mode?
[08:31] <Whiffle> ctrl+alt+f7 might work, or if you get it configured right you can restart and it should boot back into the graphics mode
[08:32] <kdp> or you could just do "startx"
[08:32] <Whiffle> except that ubuntu isn't really configured to use startx, it goes through gdm
[08:32] <Whiffle> vertical and horizontal
[08:32] <Whiffle> >refresh rates
[08:32] <Whiffle> >of 56-76Hz and 31-63kH
[08:32] <Whiffle> i think that should be the refresh rates of your monitor
[08:33] <kdp> what? ive used startx several times...
[08:33] <Whiffle> oh ok :-P
[08:33] <Whiffle> i havn't had to try it yet..
[08:33] <pink_> hmm
[08:34] <pink_> so the steps are...once i get into txt mode i type...what...? (sorry i'm somewhat of a newbie)
[08:35] <dravine> I've got my xorg.conf setup for 800x480, but it starts in 800x 600, any ideas?
[08:35] <kdp> pink_: after you login, use nano to edit the file
[08:36] <dravine> grep '800x600' /etc/X11/xorg.conf shows no results
[08:36] <Whiffle> So, if you get into the text mode, and log in, then run "sudo nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf" then scroll down to the Monitor section, and there will be the HorizSync and VertRefresh lines.  Change those to the ones I posted up above (hopefully those are right), then scroll down a little further and you will come to the  "screen" section, and there will be a "modes" line there, whic you need to put your resolutin into
[08:36] <Xeon3D> and another update is coming. :D
[08:36] <Whiffle> then hit f3 to save, and then startx, and with any luck it should work..
[08:38] <Dreamer31> anyone know the best place for an indepth guide of ALL the gtk 1.2 functions with examples?
[08:38] <Daehlie> so a copy of the API?
[08:39] <chillywilly> hello dudes
[08:40] <Whiffle> welcome..
[08:40] <grelli> does anyone here have any idea how to build a .deb pseudo package?
[08:40] <Dreamer31> Daehlie: i'm looking at that, but i'm trying to figure out how to do some stuff that the API doesn't seem to make obvious, plus there is no examples
[08:41] <Dreamer31> Daehlie: like i want to deliniate all the currently open notebooks then add them to a menu
[08:41] <Dreamer31> Daehlie: i have no idea where to start
[08:42] <Dreamer31> guessi could use gkt_notebook_get_nth_page()... really need a good programmer who wouldn't mind helping me out... tis for OSS :)
[08:42] <pink_> hey whiffle...ugh
[08:42] <pink_> i'm completely confused
[08:43] <Whiffle> ?
[08:43] <pink_> i am in root@dadscomputer: now what do i type?
[08:44] <Whiffle> nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:44] <pink_> ok ill brb
[08:44] <Dreamer31> i'm wondering if there is some gtk channel
[08:44] <Whiffle> there probably is, maybe try the gtk homepage?
[08:44] <demism_> I would like to change my ethernet card from 10baseT-HD to 10baseT-FD, mii-tool -F 10baseT-FD does this but I'd like it to boot up correctly instead of typing that each time?
[08:44] <dravine> Just thought I'd mention that ubuntu owns
[08:45] <dravine> I finally got it working right on my little Libretto 110 ct
[08:45] <da_bon_bon> hey, how is acroread 7 ?
[08:46] <kdp> what the bloody is that?
[08:46] <da_bon_bon> is it really worth the 40 mb download ?
[08:46] <demism_> da_bon_bon, it's good
[08:46] <Whiffle> yeah acroread is much better now
[08:46] <Whiffle> its actually caught up to the windows  version i think
[08:46] <jdub> Dreamer31: #gtk+ on gimpnet
[08:47] <da_bon_bon> Dreamer31: #gtk ?
[08:48] <yfir> Dreamer31 was asking about a gtk channel. No need to be alarmed
[08:50] <kdp> so, how similar will the final release be to array 7?
[08:50] <yfir> da_bon_bon: 40mb to read pdfs? no thanks
[08:50] <kdp> yeah, that is kinda crazy...xpdf works fine
[08:50] <pink_> everytime i try to type it in it says somethin like unknown key pressed or unknown key released type of a thing...
[08:51] <Whiffle> thats ...
[08:51] <kdp> does this happen when you press f3?
[08:53] <Sung> where does ubuntu install the grub.conf file ?
[08:53] <siimo> Sung, standard location
[08:53] <pink_> i think it is the keyboard i just switched it for a regular one and its not doin that
[08:53] <Sung> siimo: under boot/grub ?
[08:53] <Whiffle> aj
[08:53] <Whiffle> mine doesn't have a grub.conf
[08:53] <siimo> Sung, yes
[08:53] <siimo> Sung, its called menu.lst
[08:53] <pink_> but every time i enter that path it comes up with just a blank document
[08:54] <Sung> whiffle what is the = of grub.conf for ubuntu ?
[08:54] <Whiffle> menu.lst
[08:54] <caliber> Can someone tell me how I can adjust the gamma in x?  I'm using a piece of crap old monitor and its really dark..
[08:54] <yfir> it's /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:54] <Whiffle> pink_, sounds like the path isn't right
[08:54] <Whiffle> do cd /etc/X11
[08:54] <pink_> k
[08:55] <Whiffle> then ls, and there should be an xorg.conf, if not its a XF86Config-4 but I think you should have xorg..
[08:55] <zerokarmaleft> does nvidia-kernel-common in the hoary repositories need to be updated from 1.6629 to 1.0.7167?  There's a version mismatch with nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source
[08:55] <Whiffle> zerokarmaleft, I'm not sure.  mines not updated, i have 2 different versions and it works fine *shrug*
[08:56] <e_machinist> Do most DSL services work with linux?
[08:56] <da_bon_bon> demism_: what is ? uplink ?
[08:56] <Cspnico> yopp
[08:56] <AcidWolf> anyone on PPC got win32codecs working right
[08:57] <zerokarmaleft> i'm running into a problem compiling the module with a custom kernel...complains about the version mismatch between the kernel modules and the glx module
[08:57] <kdp> wow...windows codecs on a macintosh running linux
[08:57] <AcidWolf> ;)
[08:57] <e_machinist> Does anyone know if most dsl services work with linux?
[08:57] <Whiffle> zerokarmaleft, probably need the same versions of both then
[08:58] <e_machinist> That would fall under ethernet stuff right?
[08:58] <AcidWolf> yes they do e_machinist just use Ethernet
[08:58] <locomorto> yes. most DSL services work
[08:58] <e_machinist> Cause the DSL modem plugs into the ethernet on the compy right?
[08:58] <AcidWolf> however there havebeens some issues involving DSL2
[08:58] <da_bon_bon> yfir: ya, acroread 7 is 40mb
[08:58] <AcidWolf> :)
[08:58] <da_bon_bon> :(
[08:58] <zerokarmaleft> Whiffle, hmm...guess i should check bugzilla then to see if it's filed
[08:58] <alux> the  base of ubuntu is debian sarge or debian sid
[08:58] <alux> ?
[08:58] <AcidWolf> sid
[08:58] <e_machinist> DSL2? What is that.
[08:59] <AcidWolf> thats the new ADSL generation
[08:59] <AcidWolf> it supports up to 20meg of download speed
[08:59] <e_machinist> hmm, how widespread is DLS2?
[08:59] <AcidWolf> not very
[08:59] <AcidWolf> for DSL2 you need your own hardware or a ISP that has that sort of hardware in your Area :)
[08:59] <Whiffle> zerokarmaleft, yeah, I'm not sure.  i've been lucky enough to have it just work.  you could get the  latest version of them from ubuntu and find the nvidia kernel drivers to go with it
[09:00] <e_machinist> I was just gonna go for like... 768k/256k... up/dwon.. that would be pretty decent wouldn't it?
[09:00] <AcidWolf> yeah thats fine
[09:00] <Whiffle> beats dialup.
[09:00] <e_machinist> heck yah. haha.
[09:00] <kdp> and a LAN beats everythign :-)
[09:00] <Whiffle> yep yep
[09:01] <Whiffle> at school I got 13.5 megabit in my dorm room one night  on a test...i was like...wooooooah.
[09:02] <e_machinist> Will the DSL just be set up and detected when I go to configure the ethernet... It should detect the services presence?
[09:02] <AcidWolf> try 122.8mbit
[09:02] <Whiffle> AcidWolf, you stink :D
[09:02] <Whiffle> i don't know what I'd do with that lol
[09:02] <AcidWolf> THANKS
[09:02] <AcidWolf> sorry caps
[09:03] <e_machinist> Since DSL is always on... I imagine that the setup and detection through ethernet is fairly simple...?
[09:03] <yfir> e_machinist: linux is internet capable!
[09:03] <Whiffle> pretty much
[09:03] <Whiffle> and al gore invented the internet!
[09:03] <kdp> HEHEHEHE
[09:03] <e_machinist> yfir, I use dialup right now on linux. External modem.
[09:03] <yfir> e_machinist: the only thing you need to worry about is whether your isp is PPPoE or not
[09:04] <AcidWolf> i didnt even need to setup an account
[09:04] <e_machinist> yfir, I am just unfamiliar with broadband etc, since I have never had any of those services.
[09:04] <AcidWolf> just enable DHCP
[09:04] <e_machinist> PPPoE?
[09:04] <yfir> and even that is not much of a worry. but just so you know how to configure your connextion
[09:04] <yfir> PPP over Ethernet. many DSL and ADSL providers use it now
[09:04] <AcidWolf> and your connection will run the second you plug the ehternet in
[09:04] <yfir> rather than DHCP
[09:05] <e_machinist> Is it good or bad for them to use PPPoE rather than DHCP.
[09:05] <e_machinist> ?
[09:05] <yfir> neither, but it's just a different set up procedure for you on your end
[09:05] <e_machinist> I see.
[09:05] <e_machinist> No worries there then.
[09:05] <AcidWolf> basicly you have both options
[09:06] <yfir> point is: you seemed to be worried that you wouldn't be able to connect through DSL because you were using linux. You have nothing to worry about there...
[09:06] <AcidWolf> so if one doesnt work for you then you do have another option to try :)
[09:06] <yfir> AcidWolf: it depends on what his(her?) service provider provides.
[09:06] <e_machinist> Thanks yfir, you know how to calm the storm.
[09:06] <e_machinist> his.
[09:06] <kdp> now, if you use an internel modem, and ubuntu detects it, does that mean theres a driver?
[09:07] <Whiffle> calm before ths storm..
[09:07] <zzyber> is  release candidate final?
[09:07] <yfir> zzyber: no
[09:07] <AcidWolf> yfir most ISP's support everything unless your going for a smaller ISP
[09:07] <kdp> or that it even works?
[09:07] <yfir> Ok.
[09:07] <yfir> Mine only supports PPPoE, but perhaps most others support both.
[09:08] <AcidWolf> yeah
[09:08] <zzyber> yfir, is there a date for the final ?
[09:08] <yfir> Wednesday I think
[09:08] <AcidWolf> PPPoE is easy to setup though
[09:08] <yfir> Yes, it is
[09:08] <pink_> ok
[09:08] <pink_> back
[09:08] <Cspnico> one distro can boot on a cd rw?
[09:08] <pink_> whiffle r u there?
[09:09] <Whiffle> yeah
[09:09] <Whiffle> more or less
[09:09] <zzyber> yfir, do you know the date? Can you tell me the date. I can only find that the release is planned for april
[09:09] <pink_> ok so my dads moniter is actually set at 720x400
[09:10] <Whiffle> sounds a tad low
[09:10] <Whiffle> is that in the config file?
[09:10] <pink_> so does that change anything? cuz it didn't work when i changed it to those numbers before
[09:10] <dracflamloc> any way i can get wmv format to play in totem?
[09:10] <yfir> zzyber: last i heard it was next wednesday, but I'm not an official source. Sorry, best I can do
[09:10] <zzyber> yfir, okey, thx
[09:10] <eyequeue> 8 april
[09:10] <Whiffle> pink_, the monitor is at 720x400, is that in text mode?
[09:10] <kdp> zzyber= 5.04 = April 4th
[09:10] <pink_> no thats on the moniter i was looking at mine which is the same moniter as his but mine is set for 1280x1024 and i'm runnin linux over here
[09:10] <pink_> ya it is
[09:10] <kdp> oops, it changed?
[09:10] <eyequeue> kdp:  um no
[09:11] <zzyber> kdp, ok thx
[09:11] <Whiffle> yeah that sounds right for text mode
[09:11] <eyequeue> kdp:  2005/april == 5.04
[09:11] <Whiffle> but once you get into graphical it should go to what you set it to in the config file
[09:11] <eyequeue> kdp:  just like 2004/october was 4.10
[09:11] <pink_> ok well i need different numbers to put into the config file then cuz that didn't work for grpahix mode (same message)
[09:11] <kdp> oh, well apparently i dunno what im talking about
[09:12] <Whiffle> hmmm
[09:12] <Whiffle> whats the config file say on the computer you're on now?
[09:12] <eyequeue> kdp:  year dot month
[09:12] <kdp> (i actually thought april 5th, not 4th)
[09:12] <kdp> meh
[09:12] <AcidWolf> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr i cant find these win32codecs anywhere :(
[09:13] <eyequeue> AcidWolf:  marillat
[09:13] <AcidWolf> yeah not for PPC eyequeue
[09:13] <Whiffle> ah i was goin to say..
[09:13] <eyequeue> AcidWolf:  ah, probably they don't exist then
[09:13] <e_machinist> Hmm... my phone company says that I can get DSL for 24.95 a month on a plan with 20% savings lock-in... what do you think that means?
[09:13] <gardio1> Anyone know how to set up raw devices?
[09:13] <AcidWolf> lock in means contract
[09:14] <yfir> e_machinist: it means you have to pay for a certain period up front
[09:14] <pink_> 31-80 and 56-75
[09:14] <AcidWolf> meaning they sign you up for 2 years and you pay a fixed rate
[09:14] <Sung> how do i exit vim from live cd under root terminal ?
[09:14] <e_machinist> Pay for a period up front? icky...
[09:14] <yfir> :q!
[09:14] <eyequeue> Sung:  esc-esc-colon-w-q-enter
[09:14] <Whiffle> pink_, is that the same numbers as we tried?  I can't remember
[09:15] <e_machinist> What about. 29.95 with any value package? What does that mean?
[09:15] <yfir> my last was for Sung, sorry, not some stupid emoticon
[09:15] <Sung> whiffle: doesn't seem to work.
[09:16] <Sung> i may be typing the wrong syntax.
[09:16] <Sung> at the bottom it sez recording.
[09:16] <Whiffle> waiat what?
[09:16] <yfir> Sung: hit escape a few times
[09:16] <eyequeue> Sung:  press the esc key twice, then :wq then press enter
[09:16] <eyequeue> Sung:  esc-esc-colon-w-q-enter
[09:17] <gardio1> Anyone played with raw devices ?  ie with xine
[09:17] <e_machinist> dang, I will just have to call my phone company.... the DSL packages I am eligible for are far to confusing.
[09:17] <e_machinist> haha.
[09:18] <yfir> Oh man... he was logged in a root and couldn't close vim. Trouble time....
[09:18] <eyequeue> agree
[09:19] <yfir> I didn't want to ask what he was editing... :)
[09:19] <eyequeue> in macro mode at that, heh
[09:19] <Whiffle> one of these day's i'll have to graduate to the next level of linux-dom and start using vim..
[09:19] <zzyber> Im going to buy a new disk and im thinking of aiming for a SATA disk. Does i need i special pci card for that or does it go on serial? Or does the card comes with the disk?
[09:20] <locomorto> hmm, gmails almost at 2gb count
[09:20] <yfir> Vim looks totally crazy when you start but if you get used to it, it's blazingly fast
[09:20] <e_machinist> hmm... I need a new computer. My athlon xp 1800+ just isn't cutting it anymore.
[09:20] <eyequeue> Whiffle:  that day, spend a few minutes and run "vimtutor" first, makes it much easier
[09:20] <pink_> hey whiffle
[09:20] <pink_> just checkin back
[09:20] <Whiffle> yeah, the problem is whenever im trying to learn anything new, i'm half asleep because its at the end of the day, then all the colors run into the sounds and ..yeah.
[09:20] <pink_> i got it to work!
[09:20] <Whiffle> cool
[09:20] <Whiffle> what'd it need/
[09:21] <eyequeue> AcidWolf:  still there?
[09:21] <pink_> the ones that this one had
[09:21] <Whiffle> e_machinist, 1800+ not cutting it? you can send it to me :D
[09:21] <pink_> 31-80 and 56-75
[09:21] <Whiffle> cool
[09:22] <e_machinist> haha. I guess maybe I just underappreciate it.
[09:22] <pink_> thanks a bunch for being so patient to my newbieness :-P
[09:22] <Whiffle> how much ram?
[09:22] <Whiffle> no problem been there myself
[09:22] <eyequeue> AcidWolf:  i seem to recall hearing someone say that marillat's page has a link top ppc ports, even if he doesn't have them himself, could be worth a try
[09:22] <chavo> My 1800+ still cuts it as well as it ever has.
[09:22] <pink_> hehe
[09:22] <pink_> ok thanks
[09:22] <Whiffle> 1.6 p4 here...it works... gig of ram made  a world of difference
[09:22] <Whiffle> anytime
[09:22] <e_machinist> I have 512mb.
[09:22] <chavo> Yep 512 here also.
[09:23] <e_machinist> Athlon XP 1800+, 512mb, 80gb 7200rpm, ATI Radeon 9600XT....
[09:23] <Whiffle> i started out with 256, then i got another 256 for 5 bucks on sale, then that stick died a year later, so i got a gig now :D
[09:23] <e_machinist> Kinda a budget system.
[09:24] <Whiffle> 1.6 p4, 160gb maxtor, 80 gb maxtor, gf4 ti4200, turtle beach, 2 monitors...it was cheap 3 years ago :D
[09:24] <e_machinist> haha.
[09:24] <chavo> Got a ti4200 in here.
[09:24] <Whiffle> they're good cards
[09:24] <Whiffle> dual head rocks
[09:24] <e_machinist> Chaintec AV512 video card in mine. CMedia is great.
[09:25] <chavo> I've got a real cheap ti4200, no dual outputs.
[09:25] <Whiffle> ah
[09:25] <caffinated> Whiffle: yeah.  after dual head, I couldn't go back to one woman.
[09:25] <Whiffle> caffinated, lmao
[09:25] <e_machinist> I almost bought a GF4 TI4600 the other day... was pretty nice for 60 bucks.
[09:25] <Whiffle> i think my video card was the most expensive part of my computer...
[09:26] <chavo> Me too, I think I paid about $160 for it.
[09:26] <e_machinist> Ubuntu was the most expensive part of my computer. Haha.. just kidding.
[09:26] <caffinated> the TI series was dated, but nice hardware.
[09:26] <Whiffle> im just happy that it  has linux on it :D
[09:26] <chavo> Well I just got a new monitor the other day, my old beast finally died.
[09:26] <caffinated> I'd probably go for a FX5900 series or better myself though.  assuming you've got the cash to spend.
[09:26] <e_machinist> Yah, as long as my hardware has linux on it I really don't care what specs I'm running.
[09:27] <Whiffle> caffinated, yeah
[09:27] <Whiffle> im too cheap now
[09:27] <caffinated> if you don't play games, it really doesn't matter.
[09:27] <Whiffle> yep
[09:27] <e_machinist> An ATI 9700 pro would still be a good card to nab on the cheap.
[09:27] <Whiffle> and i've pretty much given up games as of late
[09:27] <chavo> Well I recently paid off my car and another loan, so it's upgrade time soon :)
[09:27] <e_machinist> Whiffle, same here... not a whole lot of games lately.
[09:28] <caffinated> bargain bins kick ass
[09:28] <Whiffle> i have farcry installed over in windows, but windows gives me fits so I kind of avoid it
[09:28] <Whiffle> lol
[09:28] <caffinated> works great in linux too
[09:28] <Whiffle> yeah doesn't neverwinter have linux native port?
[09:29] <e_machinist> I like the wal-mart value selection... all those 10 dollar games like max payne and quake 3 arena.
[09:29] <odysseus1> somebody can help me though this : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/EclipseSubversion
[09:29] <odysseus1> i dont know what this does in step 6 at the bottom of the page: sudocp-a*/usr
[09:29] <e_machinist> Good stuff.
[09:29] <chavo> Most new games are just the same old thing, over and over gaain.
[09:29] <Whiffle> chavo, doom3
[09:29] <Whiffle> heh
[09:29] <caffinated> Whiffle: yes.  it's not a point-and-click-easy install, but it does work once you jump the hoops
[09:29] <chavo> But prettier.
[09:29] <Whiffle> turn corner, shoot imp, do 180, shoot imp...turn corner...repeat
[09:29] <chavo> Yeah, I got the Doom3 demo, not going to buy that.
[09:29] <chavo> maybe when it's in the bargain bin.
[09:29] <Whiffle> caffinated, sounds like linux :D
[09:29] <jimarko> unfortunately I bought it..
[09:29] <caffinated> don't forget flashlight, shotgun, flashlight, shotgun, flashlight...
[09:30] <Whiffle> i actually liked the flashlight
[09:30] <chavo> I downloaded the Splinter Cell demo, put me too sleep.
[09:30] <caffinated> they need duct tape for doom3
[09:30] <e_machinist> yah.. the imps jump out of holes so often it becomes predictable.
[09:30] <caffinated> tape that damn flashlight to the shotgun
[09:30] <Whiffle> lol
[09:30] <jimarko> i'm re-playing HL2 again... choice game, and it runs quite well in ubuntu
[09:30] <e_machinist> yah haha... the marine isn't very resourceful.
[09:30] <Whiffle> i've been wanting to try hl2
[09:30] <chavo> I might get HL2.
[09:30] <Daehlie> half life 2 is the bomb.com
[09:30] <jimarko> i HIGHLY recommend it
[09:31] <e_machinist> heh.
[09:31] <Whiffle> original half life rocked
[09:31] <caffinated> hl2 is only good if you have the hardware to run it
[09:31] <chavo> Will my geforce ti4200 handle it?
[09:31] <e_machinist> Yah, the orig. half life was the stuff back in the day.
[09:31] <caffinated> that game is hungry for hardware
[09:31] <jimarko> oh yeh, it did. HL2 isn't as long as the original, but it kicks butt nonetheless
[09:31] <Whiffle> caffinated is right, my computer would probably catch fire if I put a HL2 disk anywhere near it
[09:31] <chavo> doom 3 demo ran pretty good, on this old crap.
[09:31] <e_machinist> haha.
[09:32] <jimarko> I'm running HL2 on ubuntu with a gf4 MX 440 onboard and a 1.5 Ath XP, and its tolerable.
[09:32] <rdw200169> i'm getting over 215kb/s on the bittorent!
[09:32] <caffinated> chavo: doom3 ran great on my 1ghz athlon too, until I got more than one enemy on the screen at once ;)
[09:32] <Whiffle> i'm...listening to xfmedia...yeah..
[09:32] <chavo> I'm going to be upgrading soon, but I'm not much of a gamer anyway.
[09:32] <jimarko> I do have a 9800 pro, but cos of the ATI linux drivers being terrible, my other games ran really really bad.
[09:32] <e_machinist> hmm... my 1800+ and rad 9600xt would actually be able to run HL2.... interesting.
[09:32] <johnnybezak> l
[09:33] <jimarko> so at the moment i have a 9800 in the cupboard doing nothing..
[09:33] <Whiffle> if i wanted anything for my comptuer it'd be faster hard drives and LCD monitor
[09:33] <johnnybezak> aren't there some decent oss drivers for ati card
[09:33] <johnnybezak> s
[09:33] <caffinated> Whiffle: SATA is really nice these days.  raid a few of those up and you could have some blazing speed.
[09:33] <amittp> I have warty warthhog, and it updated itself on install. MY wireless ipw2200 in auto configured.. which is good!, but this did not happen before during my previous warty installs
[09:33] <e_machinist> caffinated, ATI has made decent drivers for awhile now... not so for us poor poor linux hobos though.
[09:33] <e_machinist> haha.
[09:33] <Whiffle> caffinated, exactly
[09:34] <amittp> It is just luck, or something has changed?
[09:34] <Whiffle> i get 50mb/s out of my / drive right now, its not too bad.
[09:34] <jimarko> e_machinist: Unfortunately, i know this all too well.. :(
[09:34] <caffinated> e_machinist: it's been my experience that ATI is really sub-par with it's drivers.  on windows and linux.
[09:34] <caffinated> every gamer I know has moved from ATI to nVidia and has been a lot happier.
[09:34] <e_machinist> Under windows I have never had a problem with the ATI drivers.
[09:34] <Whiffle> only thing i didn't like about my nvidia card are the chip coolers
[09:35] <jimarko> yeah, its only linux ATI Drivers that have been pure evil
[09:35] <caffinated> e_machinist: you're lucky then.  there are some serious issues with ATI cards and some games.
[09:35] <yfir> anyone else think Grumpy Groundhog is a poor name?
[09:35] <e_machinist> The nvidia drivers have always been great for me to though, as I favor neither ATI or Nvidia...
[09:35] <yfir> they might as well call it Stubborn Pig
[09:35] <e_machinist> Whichever has the best cards is who I buy from. haha.
[09:35] <Whiffle> my first one, the fan seized up, the seocond one cracked in half.  i built my own the third time..
[09:35] <johnnybezak> my fan on my nvidia card got all whiney
[09:35] <caffinated> Whiffle: well, that's getting in to "it matters who you buy the card from"
[09:35] <Whiffle> caffinated, yeah
[09:35] <e_machinist> caffinated, I should start counting my ATI blessings then.
[09:35] <rdw200169> used to favor ATI vehemently, then they came out w/catalyst drivers...
[09:36] <Whiffle> i dont mind, it stays nice and cold now
[09:36] <caffinated> e_machinist: the only time I'd recommend ATI is in the mobility market, where they seem to excel.
[09:36] <jimarko> yeah, i'm much the same... whoever brings out the best card at the time i'm ready to upgrades, wins :)
[09:36] <rdw200169> unless you get that garbage r100 chipset...
[09:36] <e_machinist> I just recommend whoever has better cards at the time....
[09:36] <caffinated> heh
[09:37] <caffinated> so, next week you'd recommend windows if they fixed their OS?
[09:37] <Whiffle> nevar!
[09:37] <caffinated> or would you take their long and ugly track record in to account?
[09:37] <Whiffle> i want to wipe windows from my hard drive so bad.
[09:37] <caffinated> this is how I feel about ATI.
[09:37] <caffinated> they have a long and ugly track record.
[09:37] <e_machinist> I thought we were talking about video card manus... not OS peeps. haha.
[09:38] <e_machinist> My logic of "whoever is best at the time" only extends to certain partys.
[09:38] <caffinated> oh, i was just drawing a parallel ;)
[09:38] <e_machinist> ANd unfortunately... there is no parallel.
[09:38] <e_machinist> haha.
[09:38] <caffinated> sure there is
[09:38] <caffinated> ATI has a history of writing and releasing extremely broken drivers.
[09:38] <e_machinist> I don't see one.
[09:38] <caffinated> at the cost of the consumer.
[09:39] <caffinated> microsoft has a long and ugly history of procifing an extremely broken operating system
[09:39] <e_machinist> Meh. I have been using ATI and Nvidia drivers for quite some time... can't say I have run into a problem with any of them yet.
[09:39] <caffinated> if microsoft fixed everything next week, people in here would STILL probably not trust them, because their track record is awful.
[09:39] <caffinated> I feel the same way about ATI.
[09:39] <e_machinist> That is a parellel sure... not a parellel in my recommendation system though.
[09:39] <caffinated> I think there is a strong parallel there.
[09:40] <theine> e_machinist: Have you tried running Doom 3?
[09:40] <Whiffle> lol
[09:40] <Whiffle> i just went to www.windowsupdate.com
[09:40] <Whiffle> Thank you for your interest in Windows Update
[09:40] <Whiffle> heh
[09:40] <caffinated> I can access that.  through crossover office ;)
[09:40] <e_machinist> No... I refuse to play Doom 3... Classic Doom is the ONLY Doom.
[09:40] <caffinated> anyhow, if you're happy with your ATI, power to you.
[09:40] <e_machinist> :D
[09:40] <Whiffle> but why would you want to :D
[09:40] <theine> e_machinist: That's a valid point of course
[09:41] <e_machinist> I'm happy with whatever company is doing best at the time.
[09:41] <caffinated> Whiffle: *shrug* the irony of seeing it work on a linux desktop? ;)
[09:41] <Whiffle> caffinated, lol
[09:41] <zenrox> who wants to help me set up dual monitors using a ti4800 se
[09:41] <Whiffle> oooh oooh me me
[09:41] <yfir> haha
[09:41] <caffinated> Whiffle: actually, i've found one reason to like crossover.  it allows me to use http://virtualapple.com :D
[09:41] <e_machinist> heh.
[09:41] <caffinated> and that site is seriously cool
[09:42] <Whiffle> do they have shufflepuck?
[09:42] <caffinated> look and see.
[09:42] <Whiffle> THEY DO!
[09:42] <caffinated> too bad the emulator on their site needs activeX
[09:42] <caffinated> it works in crossover though
[09:42] <caffinated> even on this oldish 1ghz box
[09:42] <e_machinist> ActiveX? AhhhhHHH
[09:43] <Whiffle> lol i bookmarkedit, i have shuffle puck around here somewhere
[09:43] <caffinated> e_machinist: it's a complete ] [e / //gs emulator in a browser.
[09:43] <e_machinist> Run for the hills, activeX is here!
[09:43] <caffinated> e_machinist: and they did an amazing job.
[09:43] <Whiffle> zenrox, what do you need help with?
[09:43] <AcidWolf> ok question if i get an RPM for the win32codecs would i not be able to convert it to a .deb using Alien
[09:43] <e_machinist> Sounds like fun.
[09:43] <e_machinist> Evil fun.
[09:44] <zenrox> Whiffle,  id like to have 2 deferent desktops on each seprat montors
[09:44] <Whiffle> oooh
[09:44] <e_machinist> AcidWolf, why didn't you just get the win32codecs from the repositories?
[09:44] <Whiffle> good luck :D
[09:44] <caffinated> well, some of us grew up on those machines.  even then, it's not like you have to use their in-browser emu.  you can use xapple
[09:44] <Whiffle> theres ways to do it but i can't remember how
[09:44] <zenrox> i can paste me xorg.conf file for you on patebin
[09:44] <AcidWolf> because its not in the repositories
[09:44] <e_machinist> I used to have an Apple IIe... was fun.
[09:44] <caffinated> e_machinist: it probably wouldn't interest you unless you're at least 27.
[09:44] <AcidWolf> due to copywrite enfringment
[09:45] <e_machinist> I used to play paper boy and Ikari warriors on it all the time.
[09:45] <e_machinist> haha.
[09:45] <AcidWolf> remeber the reason why we all here Boycot Microscuk
[09:45] <AcidWolf> ;)
[09:45] <Whiffle> zenrox, only thing i've had any success doing is one large desktop
[09:45] <e_machinist> Well, I'm 20 and I have fond memories of my Apple IIe.... so hey, your logic is not so good.
[09:45] <e_machinist> ;)
[09:46] <Whiffle> <---never had an apple
[09:46] <Whiffle> its all about the dos
[09:46] <AcidWolf> i love my apple
[09:46] <yfir> i loved my apple till i got my Amiga
[09:46] <zenrox> Whiffle, thats whare i am at i just dont like the res
[09:46] <Whiffle> if i didn't have linux, and i had money, i'd have an apple
[09:46] <Whiffle> ?
[09:46] <Whiffle> zenrox, ?
[09:47] <e_machinist> I have had lots o' apples. Apple IIe, Mac Classic, LC, imac G3 400mhz, iMac G3 500MHz, iMac G4 1GHz, iBook G3 800mhz. That is all the apples that I have owned.
[09:47] <e_machinist> They are fun sometimes... most of the time I don't use them or end up just selling them off though.
[09:47] <e_machinist> haha.
[09:47] <zenrox> Whiffle,  this is how its set up right now http://www.pastebin.com/265999
[09:47] <AcidWolf> i got Apple G4 powerbook
[09:47] <e_machinist> Oh yah, I forgot my PowerMac 5500.
[09:47] <Whiffle> yep
[09:48] <caffinated> paperboy.  whoop-tee-do.  I'm talking about real games.  like sundog, elite, omega, and the entire wizardry line ;)
[09:48] <Whiffle> zenrox, and you want to make it into 2 separate desktops?
[09:48] <e_machinist> What about iKari Warriors and the star wars text adventures?
[09:48] <theine> Is there a Debian package for Acrobat Reader 7.0 available?
[09:48] <e_machinist> haha.
[09:48] <zenrox> Whiffle,  yep
[09:48] <e_machinist> xpdf.
[09:48] <e_machinist> haha.
[09:48] <caffinated> not to mention the infocom set
[09:48] <Whiffle> gmm
[09:48] <Whiffle> hmm
[09:49] <theine> e_machinist: having a good laugh?
[09:49] <Whiffle> yeah i'm afraid i can't help ya, i've never managed to get that to work
[09:49] <e_machinist> Rolling.
[09:49] <Whiffle> especially not at 2am :D
[09:49] <e_machinist> ;)
[09:50] <Whiffle> any other they might be giants fans in here?
[09:50] <Whiffle> or am i the only crazy one :D
[09:50] <e_machinist> Gotta compile some source... brb.
[09:51] <yfir> theine: i believe the acroreader 7.0 package is available at marillat repository?
[09:51] <yfir> could be wrong about that, but i think so
[09:51] <Whiffle> well im goin to bed, later all
[09:51] <yfir> 'night Whiffle
[09:53] <e_machinist> What directory should I install firefox 1.0.2 in?
[09:53] <e_machinist> /usr/bin?
[09:53] <caffinated> synaptic will pick a sane location for you
[09:54] <caffinated> it should be available out of the repositories
[09:54] <e_machinist> I searched it... it wasn't available... so I downloaded it on my own from mozilla.
[09:54] <e_machinist> /usr/bin should be ok I imagine.
[09:54] <caffinated> no, it's there
[09:54] <deFrysk> yfir, yes
[09:54] <caffinated> probably in the universe or multiverse repositories
[09:55] <caffinated> you may not have them enabled
[09:55] <caffinated> check your sources.list file
[09:55] <e_machinist> I have universe and multiverse repositories enabled.
[09:55] <caffinated> then you should have firefox
[09:55] <grover> I think it's called mozilla-firefox?
[09:55] <deFrysk> its available yes , actually I am running it as we speak
[09:55] <e_machinist> Well of course I have firefox... it isn't 1.0.2 though.
[09:55] <caffinated> as am i
[09:55] <yfir> and me
[09:55] <caffinated> and yes, i'm running 1.0.2
[09:55] <deFrysk> e_machinist, on warty ?
[09:55] <AcidWolf> anyone on i386 got the lack of java problem i found a .deb
[09:55] <AcidWolf> :)
[09:56] <e_machinist> yep, warty.
[09:56] <caffinated> ah, perhaps that is why
[09:56] <e_machinist> Told ya.
[09:56] <caffinated> i'm on hoary
[09:56] <deFrysk> e_machinist, mayby upgrade to hoary ?
[09:56] <AcidWolf> but still no win32codecs lol
[09:56] <caffinated> e_machinist: not really.  you can get it out of the hoary repos
[09:56] <deFrysk> AcidWolf, on marrilat repo
[09:56] <e_machinist> I upgrade to hoary when it goes official/stable.
[09:56] <caffinated> e_machinist: so, you didn't actually "tell me" anything.
[09:56] <caffinated> it is available.
[09:57] <deFrysk> e_machinist, thats next week , including the firefox you desire
[09:57] <e_machinist> caffinated, doesn't matter, I already downloaded it from mozilla. haha. You guys forget how to do good ol' fashioned downloading and installing?
[09:57] <deFrysk> e_machinist, just be patient and keep your box tidy ;p
[09:57] <AcidWolf> deFrysk im on PPC
[09:57] <caffinated> e_machinist: not at all.  i just see no point to it if it's already in a working package.,
[09:57] <yfir> apt has spoiled us...
[09:57] <deFrysk> AcidWolf, not sure about ppc
[09:58] <Mestapheles> hi, anyone here work on wikis
[09:58] <Mestapheles> ?
[09:58] <scottj> anyone know how to rip a dvd to divx?
[09:58] <grover> anyone can work on wikis
[09:58] <caffinated> grover: I'm not sure what that has to do with ubuntu
[09:59] <Mestapheles> yes, I'm working on a ppc one as I write
[09:59] <grover> well ubuntu has a wiki....?
[09:59] <caffinated> Mestapheles: did you have any issues getting the video hardware to work?
[10:00] <e_machinist> There we go.. got it installed... the non repository way.
[10:00] <e_machinist> heh.
[10:00] <caffinated> Mestapheles: I tried to do a G4 last week, but it wouldn't seem to take the ATI card in it.
[10:00] <Mestapheles> no got it solved
[10:00] <caffinated> old 8mb rage pro
[10:00] <caffinated> I did the configs by hand and it still wouldn't kick over.
[10:00] <Mestapheles> oh
[10:01] <caffinated> I was just wondering if there were any PPC specific issues you ran in to.
[10:01] <Mestapheles> I got my Rage 128, I think it is VR working with accel.  But I don't know why it doesn't work for the other Rage 128 cards
[10:01] <Mestapheles> have you read the Rage 128 postings?
[10:01] <Mestapheles> Rage 128 ppc postings at the forum?
[10:02] <caffinated> Mestapheles: not yet.  it's not my machine, just an old mac a friend wanted to make useful.  I'll have a poke at it though.
[10:02] <Mestapheles> what machine is it?
[10:02] <caffinated> A Mac G4
[10:02] <caffinated> it's been collecting dust in a corner for several years now.
[10:03] <Mestapheles> I haven't tried that machine.  Hold on
[10:04] <infie> There are usually few major changes from release candidate to release?
[10:04] <Mestapheles> caffinated: http://ubuntuppc.webplazahosting.com/index.php?Compatable%20machines
[10:04] <yfir> infie: a few, but nothing too revolutionary
[10:05] <yfir> 'major changes' isn't really the term I'd use
[10:05] <grover> and of course you can update to release once it's out
[10:05] <caffinated> Mestapheles: i'll probably give it another go when I go by there next.  Not a real priority, they have several working PCs, but it would be nice to see one of them running ubuntu ;)
[10:05] <Mestapheles> caffinated: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=820967c07b07c85ba5530b429493d7cb&t=3723&page=7&pp=10
[10:06] <Mestapheles> it'll probiby just work, including X, but accel is iffy with the Rage 128, depending on which model
[10:06] <Mestapheles> of Rage 128
[10:06] <caffinated> unfortunatly I don't have that information in front of me.
[10:06] <caffinated> I'll poke around at it the next time I'm there
[10:07] <caffinated> if not I'll just put OS X on it and call it a day
[10:08] <Mestapheles> are there any ramifications to posting how and where to get the lib for DVD decrytion?
[10:08] <Anubis> ## Checking for GLib (GModule) >= 2.2.0
[10:08] <Anubis> pkg-config --atleast-version=2.2.0 glib-2.0 gmodule-2.0
[10:08] <Anubis> !! Please install GLib 2.2.0 or above and the GLib development files. It is
[10:08] <Anubis> !! important that you install GModule, which is part of GLib as well. GLib
[10:08] <Anubis> !! can be downloaded from http://www.gtk.org/.
[10:10] <caffinated> Mestapheles: they'd probably have an issue with it if you did it in the forums;  I think it's skirting a grey area of the law.
[10:11] <yfir> Mestapheles: libdvdcss2 (from marillat). It's posted on the Ubuntu Wiki
[10:11] <caffinated> I don't think too many people would care here though.
[10:11] <Mestapheles> yes but that doesn't have a ppc binary
[10:12] <Mestapheles> there is a script that works for ppc, I just don't want to announce it to the whoel world and then have the source disappear because someone pressured them to take it off
[10:12] <Mestapheles> although I have seen it posted here and there
[10:13] <yfir> I'm fairly sure there's an RPM somewhere
[10:17] <bur[n] er> anyone making graveman .3.9 packages?
[10:18] <twentyone> hi :)
[10:19] <twentyone> anybody knos how are the 3 guys on the gdm default theme ?
[10:19] <grover> it's for april fools
[10:20] <robitaille> twentyone,  http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-April/028327.html
[10:21] <twentyone> robitaille: oki :) thanks :)
[10:23] <bosewicht> which WM's come in a vanilla install of ubuntu?
[10:23] <techn9ne> gnome
[10:23] <AcidWolf> did you know Mplayer got shut down
[10:23] <AcidWolf> O_o
[10:23] <AcidWolf> Closed for patent infringement
[10:24] <yfir> ?
[10:24] <techn9ne> they havenet yet
[10:24] <bosewicht> ok...lol...no they didn't there is a link on their page to continue
[10:24] <techn9ne> they're saying they cold be
[10:24] <AcidWolf> http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/index.html
[10:24] <AcidWolf> go have a look
[10:24] <techn9ne> right read it
[10:24] <AcidWolf> oh
[10:24] <techn9ne> they havent been shut down
[10:24] <techn9ne> at the bottom click here to goto home page
[10:24] <bosewicht> yeah, and there is a link to continue on...
[10:24] <AcidWolf> yes i see the enter button
[10:24] <AcidWolf> sorry
[10:24] <AcidWolf> firefox is all screwy
[10:24] <dracflamloc> whats a good, easy to use DVD-R and CD-R burning software?
[10:25] <techn9ne> they wont be shut down ill mirror the source myself if they shut down
[10:25] <bosewicht> k3b
[10:25] <techn9ne> they cant shut down OSS
[10:25] <techn9ne> dracflamloc: gnome baker
[10:25] <bosewicht> exactly...it's really hard to shut down gpl software
[10:25] <techn9ne> well impossible if ppl want it alive
[10:25] <techn9ne> im being sued right by by fred durst for a video im hosting
[10:26] <techn9ne> i take it off but its still everywhere
[10:26] <bosewicht> corp need to change their way of thinking
[10:26] <techn9ne> everyone takes it off and its still on limewire
[10:26] <techn9ne> you cant stop information
[10:26] <techn9ne> you can sue everyone (me) and ill take it down but ill setup a server somewhere else tommorow
[10:27] <techn9ne> its like apple hires dvd jon 'cause they couldnt make him stop
[10:29] <horay_tester>  Good Morning People!
[10:29] <horay_tester> How to start Netapplet in kubuntu!! the applet seems not to load!!
[10:29] <techn9ne> i think theres a #kubuntu
[10:29] <horay_tester> kubuntu is GREAT by the WAY
[10:29] <horay_tester> Is there?? how to get to it??
[10:30] <bosewicht> i'm waiting for windowmakerbuntu
[10:30] <bosewicht> :)
[10:30] <techn9ne> horay_tester: /join #kubuntu
[10:31] <techn9ne> gnome is more business kde is more home+fun
[10:32] <yfir> gnome is better, vim is better, freeBSD is better. there, those issues are resolved.
[10:32] <drbombay43> hello to all, is their a way to manaully change the resolution setting?
[10:33] <dracflamloc> how can i add shortcuts to the gnome apllications menu
[10:34] <yfir> menu editing is sort of screwed up until 2.12. Whoops.
[10:34] <dracflamloc> hm
[10:34] <horay_tester> I use both gnome and ubuntu, both has advantages, for me kde is more convinient, IT IS more featurefull, gnome is MORE SIMPLE, but hence more limited for powerusers, dont flame me about it, I am affectioned to BOTH!!
[10:35] <yfir> heheh. Just a dumb joke on my part, horay_tester
[10:35] <horay_tester> the menu thing is a proof, see Kappfinder! thats what we need in gnome too.
[10:35] <dracflamloc> heh
[10:35] <dracflamloc> i hate kde
[10:35] <horay_tester> yfir, no probs...
[10:35] <dracflamloc> it feels clucnky and bloated to me
[10:36] <horay_tester> why hate it? its a good desktop, did u see the 1.4. jok yesterday, how the kde and gnome planets swiched urls!!!
[10:36] <AcidWolf> i need to find a way to play .ASF files
[10:36] <AcidWolf> i can play wmv's but not .ASF's
[10:36] <horay_tester> was funny to see gnome and kde fanatics suddenly foing for the other side...
[10:36] <yfir> totem-xine Acidwolf
[10:36] <AcidWolf> yfir does totem-xine do .ASF
[10:36] <yfir> it does
[10:36] <dracflamloc> AcidWolf, how'd you get wmv to play?
[10:37] <yfir> i play asf streams all the time, and record them
[10:37] <horay_tester> totem-xine fif not work for me, kept craching, I use gxine, wounderfull.-
[10:37] <AcidWolf> dracflamloc ill send you the link
[10:37] <techn9ne> dracflamloc: you get the win32 codecs and drop them into /usr/lib/win32/
[10:38] <AcidWolf> dracflamloc here this is what you need avifile-win32-plugin_0.7.38.20030710-1.2_powerpc.deb
[10:38] <AcidWolf> but
[10:38] <AcidWolf> look for whatever arch you use
[10:38] <techn9ne> cant you get them via universe rep?
[10:38] <AcidWolf> i dont even have a /usr/lib/win32
[10:39] <AcidWolf> hell i dont even have the w32codecs
[10:39] <drbombay43> can anyone tell me if it is possible to change the display resolution by command line with a editor?
[10:39] <horay_tester> figures, get them first, look in the wiki somewhere..
[10:39] <AcidWolf> i looked in the wiki
[10:39] <techn9ne> drbombay43: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:39] <AcidWolf> theres nothing
[10:39] <AcidWolf> not for PPC anyway
[10:39] <yfir> drbombay43, xorg.conf
[10:39] <drbombay43> thank you
[10:40] <techn9ne> or sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:40] <dracflamloc> drbombay43,  sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:42] <horay_tester> how to run netapplet in kde people! any one help...
[10:42] <techn9ne> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg , is a "graphical" way to edit xorg.conf
[10:42] <techn9ne> horay_tester: goto #kubuntu
[10:42] <yfir> netapplet in kde...?
[10:43] <dracflamloc> hm
[10:43] <dracflamloc> linux can write to a fat32 partition right?
[10:44] <horay_tester> yes, I need a way to switch networks fast?? anyx other suggestions??
[10:44] <horay_tester> in kde of course
[10:45] <yfir> dracflamloc: yes
[10:45] <Dangermouse> Hi. Using Warty on Acer Travelmate 244 laptop, installed, rebooted, base-config ran. It freezes when it gets to 'preconfiguring packages'. Cant see any error messages in the logs. I ran it manually in rescue mode and it hangs after you enter the keyboard language. Any ideas? thanks
[10:46] <techn9ne> Dangermouse: try hoary
[10:46] <Dangermouse> I was waiting for that :p
[10:47] <techn9ne> Dangermouse: does it meet min. system requirements?
[10:47] <yfir> dracflamloc: must be mounted with umask=000 if you want users other than root to have R/W access to Fat32
[10:47] <Dangermouse> techn9ne: i hope so. 2.4 celeron 512mb ram etc
[10:47] <techn9ne> yah thats fine
[10:47] <techn9ne> if hoary doesn't work file a bug report
[10:47] <Dangermouse> ok
[10:47] <yfir> dracflamloc: I mean something like this:  mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows -o umask=000
[10:47] <johntramp> how come in the ubuntu install you don't set a root password?
[10:48] <yfir> johntramp: no root account
[10:48] <techn9ne> johntramp: because root acct. is disabled
[10:48] <techn9ne> you use sudo to do stuff
[10:48] <yfir> use sudo for everything
[10:48] <johntramp> and is there a password for sudo?
[10:48] <techn9ne> its the same p/w as the intial user acct.
[10:48] <johntramp> ok
[10:48] <johntramp> why do they use that method?
[10:49] <techn9ne> its so dummy users don't login as root and sit there all day
[10:49] <yfir> security
[10:49] <jdub> johntramp: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[10:49] <johntramp> i see techn9ne
[10:49] <jdub> techn9ne: it's not, it's disabled :)
[10:49] <yfir> and also, with sudo there is log of your root actions
[10:49] <techn9ne> johntramp: you can easily enable root
[10:49] <johntramp> is there an easy way to get it back to 'normal'
[10:49] <johntramp> do you boot a knoppix-like cd and chroot?
[10:49] <johntramp> then set passwd?
[10:49] <techn9ne> i think you just go sudo passwd
[10:49] <dracflamloc> yfir, ah thanks
[10:49] <techn9ne> not sure
[10:49] <johntramp> ah yes
[10:49] <gnu_dvguy> Does anyone know why my Firefox would not be caching files as it browses?
[10:50] <johntramp> i'll try that
[10:50] <gnu_dvguy> Where does firefox store its cache?
[10:50] <techn9ne> if someone knows enough about root acct. they have the knowledge to enable it and use it properly.
[10:50] <techn9ne> ppl that are new to linux don't have that knowledge
[10:50] <techn9ne> so they shouldnt have root access
[10:50] <yfir> johntramp: sudo passwd root
[10:51] <yfir> sorry, just noticed tech9ne already answered that
[10:51] <techn9ne> thats why linux wont ever have the spyware virus problem windows has
[10:51] <gnu_dvguy> Does anyone know why firefox would not be caching files as I browse?
[10:52] <techn9ne> gnu_dvguy: because you have cache disabled?
[10:52] <techn9ne> or its caching but not where you think
[10:53] <johntramp> sudo passwd worked :)
[10:53] <deFrysk> gnu_dvguy, pref/privacy
[10:53] <gnu_dvguy> cache is enabled.
[10:53] <johntramp> should ubuntu install xorg by default?
[10:53] <johntramp> I cancelled the net install part at the end of the install
[10:54] <johntramp> is that when it would have set it up?
[10:54] <techn9ne> it installs xorg last im pretty sure
[10:54] <techn9ne> on the final reboot
[10:54] <deFrysk> gnu_dvguy,  .mozilla/firefox/9ndtvvw6.default/Cache
[10:55] <gnu_dvguy> I uninstalled firefox 0.9.2 and then installed firefox 1.0.2 in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox
[10:55] <deFrysk> gnu_dvguy, o
[10:55] <deFrysk> gnu_dvguy, that makes you " unsupported"
[10:56] <techn9ne> theres 1.0.2 deb available
[10:56] <gnu_dvguy> unsupported?
[10:56] <deFrysk> gnu_dvguy, u did not do it the debian way
[10:56] <gnu_dvguy> yah, I know that haha. No apt or synaptic for this install.
[10:56] <AcidWolf> i have totem-xine installed and it doesnt play .ASF files
[10:56] <AcidWolf> :(
[10:56] <deFrysk> gnu_dvguy, so you are on your own
[10:57] <zyga> anyone uses ndiswrapper around here?
[10:57] <gnu_dvguy> ahh, on my own eh? Hmm, maybe someone at the moz forums has commented on this.
[10:57] <techn9ne> why dont you just install the .deb
[10:58] <deFrysk> gnu_dvguy, yup
[10:58] <ubuntu> I love ubuntu
[10:58] <deFrysk> techn9ne, because gnu_dvguy is smart
[10:58] <deFrysk> ;p
[10:59] <yfir> AcidWolf: win32codecs? you'll need them to run .asf I think
[10:59] <gnu_dvguy> smart? haha, not like it was hard to install it.
[10:59] <deFrysk> gnu_dvguy, try #firefox
[11:00] <whiteknight> hi ,is anyone running ubuntu ppc here?
[11:00] <St0n3-C0l> Is there anyway to enter password along with the sudo command e.g "sudo password halt"
[11:01] <whiteknight> just wondering if anyone knows how to emulate a right button click on a apple ibook running ubuntu
[11:01] <yfir> the little sqiggly apple key?
[11:01] <whiteknight> nope isn't working
[11:08] <whiteknight> found it - its F12 if anyone is interested :)
[11:12] <Syirrus> are there sblive drivers for ubuntu (linux in general) that make mp3 playback sound better?
[11:15] <zerokarmaleft> Syirrus, mp3 playback with sblive is fine
[11:15] <zerokarmaleft> Syirrus, what do you mean by making "playback sound better"?
[11:15] <Syirrus> sorry
[11:16] <Syirrus> it wounds better in windows
[11:16] <Syirrus> sounds
[11:16] <Syirrus> it always has at least from my experience.  Its like mp3 or any play back sounds rather flat
[11:16] <Syirrus> in Linux
[11:17] <deFrysk> open alsamixer and optimize your settings
[11:17] <deFrysk> for sound
[11:18] <Syirrus> okay
[11:20] <Syirrus> Another thing is does ubuntu support multiple monitors for spanning.  In 4.10 when you would install the ATI drivers, X would fail to load. Has this been fixed?
[11:22] <theine> Syrrius: I didn't experience this problem in Warty... and neither in Hoary...
[11:22] <Syirrus> ok no worries, I will have to tinker around with it again
[11:22] <solidape> i'm having some problems with filenames containing swedish characters
[11:23] <solidape> and editing my fstab doesn't seem to work
[11:23] <theine> solidape: what do you mean "doesn't work"?
[11:24] <solidape> it doesn't help me... still the same problem...
[11:24] <theine> ah I see
[11:24] <Syirrus> I'm debating whether to install RC or wait for final
[11:24] <solidape> works fine with ntfs partitions , but fat32 poses a problem
[11:24] <theine> Syirrus: I think you can rather safelt go for Hoary now
[11:24] <theine> solidape: what is the exact problem?
[11:25] <Syirrus> theine: for sure
[11:25] <theine> Syirrus: definately
[11:25] <pestil> Hello, does Hoary (as in Kubuntu) support bootsplash screens without gory hacking at the kernel?
[11:25] <Syirrus> Theine: fo hyperthreaded cpus, do I just install the SMP kernel?
[11:25] <theine> Syirrus: not sure about that
[11:27] <Syirrus> I think the only thing ubuntu really needs is the implementation of the wifi NDis wrapper for wifi cards
[11:27] <Syirrus> that would make it complete I think
[11:29] <Bazzi-> Syirrus arent there licensing issues?
[11:29] <bosewicht> Syirrus....i think everyone would benefit by them configuring their own systems...wifi is not that hard to get working
[11:29] <theine> Syirrus: have you looked at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper ?
[11:29] <archangel_> hey guys I know its early but can anyone tell me how to check if ubuntu is recognizing my hyperthreading?
[11:30] <archangel_> I don't know how to check kernel but I'm looking smp I know that
[11:30] <Syirrus> bosewicht: that is true, its not that hard, just would be nice
[11:30] <Syirrus> Bazzi: maybe there are licensing issues
[11:31] <bosewicht> i use arch for my desktops and ubuntu for my laptop..i'm use to things not working out of the box...lol...i use ubuntu to show non linux users how easy things are, you don't have to be a hacker. but i prefer arch....doing things on my own
[11:33] <bosewicht> the thing with wifi is that there are so many cards, it would be hard to install all of the drivers, regardless of licensing issues and before you know it you have a ton of stuff on ur computer that you really don't need...IMHO
[11:34] <archangel_> can anyone tell me how to check my kernel?
[11:34] <archangel_> if its smp or not?
[11:34] <Syirrus> uname -R
[11:34] <Syirrus> in console
[11:35] <archangel_> lol ok second question, hyperthreading is enabled in bios but I don't have the smp kernel, what do I do
[11:36] <archangel_> I just reinstalled ubuntu with HT enabled hoping it would detect it
[11:36] <kev0r> anyone expert @ getting ur site @ google?
[11:37] <shlomi> kev0r: just make sure it's linked from a different site.
[11:37] <resiak> kev0r: #omg-look-i-have-a-website ? :p
[11:37] <kev0r> i linked it from other sites
[11:37] <kev0r> but those sites all come up, but not my website :P
[11:38] <resiak> Just wait until you get recrawled.
[11:38] <kev0r> i am crawled
[11:38] <kev0r> and only get my url with similar pages under it
[11:38] <kev0r> no content
[11:38] <kev0r> search for kev0r.nl
[11:38] <kev0r> you'll see
[11:39] <pte> hi all! i'm having trouble finding the equivalent of `nautilus applications:///' in the new 5.04 release candidate. suggestions?
[11:39] <archangel_> anybody successfully using HT on their ubuntu system?
[11:40] <pte> quiet in here...
[11:40] <saber> its friday night
[11:40] <zerokarmaleft> archangel_, you need an SMP kernel to use HT
[11:41] <archangel_> zerokarmaleft, how do I get it
[11:41] <theine> archangel_: and you don't have to reinstall Ubuntu -- this is not windows...
[11:41] <pte> did `nautilus applications:///' change in the 5.04 release? i get an error message saying it is not a valid location
[11:41] <archangel_> lol learning that slowly
[11:41] <theine> archangel_: what's you current kernel?
[11:42] <archangel_> 2.6.10-5-386
[11:42] <theine> archangel_: which architecture?
[11:42] <Burgundavia> pte: it was removed as they changed the menu style, and applications:/// was mostly broken anyway
[11:42] <archangel_> x86
[11:43] <shlomi> What's the runlevel in which X is not started automatically (similar to 3 on RH/Mandrake)?
[11:43] <theine> archangel_: pentium 4?
[11:43] <Burgundavia> pte: however, the functionality was not replaced with anything else
[11:43] <pte> thanks. but how can i add/remove programs from the menu now?
[11:43] <archangel_> yes
[11:43] <Burgundavia> pte: see my last comment
[11:43] <theine> archangel_: sudo apt-get install linux-image-686-smp
[11:43] <pte> ouch. i like ubuntu so far, but this seems really awfull. no editing of the menu?
[11:43] <archangel_> theine, thank you
[11:43] <scott> what package has the gtk dev files? (gtk.h) I think libgtk2.0-dev is old no?
[11:44] <theine> archangel_: after that, reboot and select the new kernel in grub
[11:44] <saber> you can search packages on: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[11:44] <zerokarmaleft> archangel_, also might want to sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-686-smp
[11:44] <archangel_> grub is new territory for me
[11:44] <archangel_> how do I access it
[11:44] <Burgundavia> pte: this is an upstream issue with gnome itself
[11:45] <zerokarmaleft> archangel_, just hit escape when you see the grub message on boot
[11:45] <archangel_> should I apt-get the restricted modules now?
[11:46] <theine> archangel_: yeah
[11:46] <pte> burgundavia: i can understand that. i can also edit the menu files manually i guess (thats how we did it in the old days). but releasing a system like ubuntu (or gnome for that matter) without a way to change the menu is just unbelievable to me
[11:46] <Burgundavia> pte: hmm. No comment
[11:47] <zerokarmaleft> pte, there's a thread on the forums discussing a menu editor tool
[11:47] <archangel_> thank you zerokarmaleft and theine
[11:47] <archangel_> I'm going to reboot
[11:47] <pte> burgundavia: thanks for the info, going to restart X for a moment
[11:50] <Syirrus> how do you get mp3 playback in hoary?
[11:50] <Syirrus> what do I need to install?
[11:51] <locomorto> check out the automate script on the forums
[11:51] <locomorto> it does lots of other sutff as well
[11:51] <locomorto> its in the HOWTO and FAQ forum
[11:51] <Syirrus> do a query on automate script in the forums section?
[11:51] <Syirrus> oh okay
[11:51] <theine> Syirrus: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[11:52] <theine> Syirrus: Have you enabled the universe repository?
[11:52] <locomorto> dont forget w32codecs
[11:52] <Syirrus> not yet, but you can do that in the sypatic right?
[11:53] <theine> Syirrus: exactly
[11:53] <Syirrus> cool cool, thank you guys
[11:53] <theine> locomorto: that's not in any Ubuntu repo, is it?
[11:54] <theine> locomorto: and you won't need it for MP3 playback in totem and rhythmbox...
[11:54] <locomorto> it might not have the s on it, but it gives you WMV and WMA support
[11:55] <theine> the s on it?
[11:55] <locomorto> ah
[11:55] <locomorto> its in the marrialt repo
[11:56] <locomorto> marrillat*
[11:56] <theine> yes
[11:56] <jhaig> Just installed Ubuntu (4.1) for the first time.  It seems that I have managed to get an 'April Fool' special edition - I thought the login image was a bit odd but didn't realise until I changed it.  Anyway, are there any other April Fool's surprises?  Also, if I keep this CD, will be be worth vast sums of money in the future as a collectors item?  ;-)
[11:57] <superted_> jhaig: to your last question, i doubt it.
[11:57] <jhaig> Oh well.
[11:57] <superted_> jhaig: and you should upgrae to 5.04 in a bit
[11:58] <jhaig> I got 4.10 because 5.04 is still not an official release.
[11:58] <superted_> jhaig: well fortunately it's a matter of days so you don't have to wait so long
[11:58] <locomorto> it will be ina week, its as stable as it probably ever will be atm
[11:58] <Owl^> hoary is gonna be released april 6th, and it's very usable even now. I upgraded to 5.04 yesterday, and works way better than 4.10
[11:59] <Owl^> locomorto, I agree
[11:59] <sigill> Hi, i have some questions about apt-get in Ubuntu!
[11:59] <locomorto> go ahead
[11:59] <_underlord> i have an ac97 chipset soundcard (uses snd_via82xx module), im getting sound that goes in to 1sec long loops for a few secs in the middle of tracks, and if i pause things and usualy for a few secs after i stop tracks too, i have tried increasing alsa's buffer heaps and it has helped somewhat but not enough, a 10sec long loop cant be a buffer problem can it?
[11:59] <jhaig> Can you upgrade by changing apt-get sources or do you need to use the CD?
[12:00] <_underlord> anyway, what i want to know is what are the chances that a new sound card will fix the problem, is this common in hoary?
[12:00] <locomorto> by changing apt-get sources, replace warty with hoary
[12:00] <locomorto> @_underlord, no to second question, most people have that card
[12:00] <_underlord> it didnt happen nearly as much in warty, but it did happen, so im not sure
[12:00] <sigill> i create my own packages of kernel_image, amule (build against wxgtk2.5) and midnight commander, but when i do apt-get upgrade, apt-get replace my own packages with Ubuntu default packages....
[12:00] <solidape> i think somethings messed up here, i keep getting this: "Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library." any thoughts?
[12:01] <solidape> been looking over my locale.gen and environment files and they "seem" OK to me...
[12:01] <thotypous> hi
[12:01] <_underlord> locomorto: what could cause something like this?
[12:01] <sigill> What i should do, to keep my own packages unchanged ( lock it from apt-get upgrade)
[12:01] <locomorto> im not sure, make sure you have all the latest codec and try using beep media player if you arn't already
[12:02] <_underlord> beep?
[12:02] <locomorto> yep
[12:02] <locomorto> try bmp in apt-get
[12:02] <_underlord> but i love amarok so much :(
[12:02] <locomorto> so sudo apt-get install bmp
[12:03] <krischan> Hello everyone.
[12:03] <locomorto> omg, i just say the best photshop brushes ever, if only i culd get CS to work in linux :(
[12:04] <krischan> I am experiencing weird problem with Xorg or nVidia (not sure). I dist-upgraded my Hoary two hours ago and I tried to restart X server. It failed, the log said the nVidia module doesn't fit to the installed kernel.
[12:04] <solidape> is there any way to completely reset all language settings from installation?
[12:05] <locomorto> @krischan try this after exiting the x-server: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:05] <techn9ne> kirschan: i had some problem had to use i386
[12:05] <krischan> After I changed from 'nvidia' to 'nv' via 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg', I at least could restart X, but now I can run my monitor only with a freq of 60 Hz.
[12:05] <theine> solidape: try sudo base-config
[12:05] <sigill> krischan, as i know, apt-get dist-upgrade for now replace upgraded kernel_image package
[12:06] <robster> solidape: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[12:06] <sigill> krischan, bbrrr i mean your upgrade your kernel image
[12:07] <locomorto> has anyone seen a python ide for linux?
[12:07] <sigill> sigill, so you must reinstall nvidia_kernel for new kernel
[12:07] <krischan> sigill: Do you mean I shall try apt-get update && dist-upgrade again?
[12:07] <sigill> locomorto, Komodo from ActiveState, Emacs
[12:07] <locomorto> ActiveState/
[12:07] <locomorto> ?*
[12:08] <sigill> krischan, yes...may be guys from Ubuntu forget place new nvidia_kernel in repository
[12:08] <krischan> sigill: Alright, I'll try ...
[12:08] <locomorto> dang, its commerical
[12:08] <locomorto> looks cool though
[12:09] <Syirrus> night guys and thank you very much
[12:09] <Syirrus> I will probably be on tomorrow after I install
[12:09] <sigill> locomorto, is it problem for you? ;) you can download trial edition and keygen
[12:10] <locomorto> theres a keygen for it?
[12:11] <locomorto> I donwloading it now anyway to see if its any good
[12:11] <caffinated> locomorto: please don't discuss software piracy here.
[12:11] <krischan> sigill: Indeed, package sources have updates ...
[12:11] <techn9ne> check gnomefiles.org
[12:11] <techn9ne> udner development
[12:11] <locomorto> gosh, the site is sooo slow
[12:11] <solidape> there's still something messed up with my locale: Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library whenever i run anything....
[12:12] <sigill> o sorry about...anyway you can just try Komodo for a 30 days
[12:12] <_underlord> is it a good idea to change my repository settings to be one of my local ubuntu mirrors?
[12:12] <caffinated> sigill: yeah.  i'm sure you're sorry.  guys like you should be banned from this network.
[12:12] <theine> solidape: what does "echo $LANG" give you?
[12:13] <jhaig> I have dozens of question - I hope you don't mind.  Firstly, when I try to remove the package gnome-games the package manager wants to remove ubuntu-desktop as well.  This seems to be an odd dependency.  Is there a way round it?
[12:13] <techn9ne> whatever. its a keygen. who cares.
[12:13] <solidape> theine: en_US
[12:13] <solidape> do i nee to reboot after changing my locale.gen ?
[12:13] <caffinated> techn9ne: people who write software care.
[12:14] <caffinated> techn9ne: I'd imagine you're not one of them.
[12:14] <_underlord> caffinated: are we assuming that hes stealing software with this keygen or did he actualy say so?
[12:14] <theine> solidape: did you edit locale.gen by hand?
[12:14] <techn9ne> i write software for a living
[12:14] <topyli> jhaig: don't worry about ubuntu-desktop. it's just a metapackage that depends on a default set of desktop applications
[12:14] <caffinated> _underlord: what other purpose does a keygen serve?
[12:14] <techn9ne> i think you're completly over-reacting
[12:15] <jhaig> topyli: Thanks, that makes sense.
[12:15] <solidape> no, i used dpkg-reconfigure locales
[12:15] <Burgundavia> techn9ne: please don't advocate legally questionable practices here
[12:15] <_underlord> caffinated: seems like it might be like when symantec emailed my isp and got me booted offline for using a keygen and downloaded copy of norton av which i had a right to do, cd was scratched and i had lost the key
[12:15] <drbombay43> 2can or will somebody please oh please tell me how to enable mp3 support in rhythm-box ? please
[12:15] <_underlord> there are legitimate uses for keygens and commercial downloading off p2p
[12:15] <Burgundavia> drbombay43: install gstreamer-mad
[12:15] <caffinated> _underlord: you don't have a right to use a generated key, even if you own the software.
[12:15] <_underlord> why dont i?
[12:16] <caffinated> _underlord: in those instances, you could contact the company.
[12:16] <Burgundavia> drbombay43: but you need to enable universe first
[12:16] <jhaig> In the install, is it possible to select and deselect packages?  I am trying it out on a machine with 2 1.2Gb hard disks and space is tight.
[12:16] <caffinated> _underlord: i'm sure if you can provide them with reasonable proof that you own the product, they'll replace the CD for a modest fee.
[12:16] <drbombay43> thank you both so vey much
[12:16] <techn9ne> all software should be free
[12:16] <locomorto> jhaig, you can do a custom install
[12:16] <_underlord> why should i contact them, i could easaly solve the problem myself at no cost, and i did not do symantec any harm
[12:16] <caffinated> techn9ne: you *really* don't design software for a living then ;)
[12:16] <Burgundavia> locomorto: there is drpython, but it is gtk 1.0
[12:16] <techn9ne> yes i do
[12:17] <_underlord> indeed they do, i could replace it at no fee
[12:17] <theine> solidape: well, maybe try to reboot, and choose a utf locale in GDM...
[12:17] <techn9ne> i just believe in free software
[12:17] <theine> solidape: have you generated any utf locales?
[12:17] <techn9ne> i make money off customization and deployment solutions
[12:17] <caffinated> _underlord: or you could take better care of your CDs.  last I checked, making a backup is legal.
[12:17] <sigill> caffinated, what do you mean when you say "guys like you"...very intresting!
[12:17] <theine> techn9ne: free as in beer I guess?
[12:17] <_underlord> you dont buy software, you buy a licence to use the software, and thus downloading the cd if your allready licenced is irrelevent
[12:17] <solidape> theine: i'm actually not sure, i'm a newbie at this....
[12:18] <techn9ne> someone says ok i need this done. i say ok i use linux + jboss etc.
[12:18] <caffinated> _underlord: except the key you use is not the key you're licensed to use.
[12:18] <Burgundavia> _underlord: technically, you buy a specific license code
[12:18] <theine> solidape: alright, then just reboot
[12:18] <techn9ne> i dont know why you think i dont make software because i believe in freedom
[12:18] <solidape> i'll try that, thanks for helping me.....
[12:18] <theine> np
[12:18] <solidape> i might be back =)
[12:18] <techn9ne> sound like a micrsooft exec.
[12:18] <_underlord> a code that makes no difference to the opperation of any system, i dont see why thats a problem
[12:18] <jhaig> Also, in the install it would be useful to be warned if the partitions are not large enough.  My first attempt, using one 1.2G disk as a /usr partition failed.  Currently I have it split between /usr/lib and /usr/share and they are both >90%.
[12:19] <munki> anybody know if there's some binary's for Heroes Of Might And Magic IV for Linux ?
[12:19] <caffinated> that's like saying "because my license plates were damaged, i'm just going to use any old thing that works"
[12:19] <Burgundavia> _underlord: legal matters often have little basis in day to day pratical reality
[12:20] <_underlord> caffinated: where i live thats not a good example, because you dont have to buy licence plates, you need tracable plates, but theres no central admin your forced to go through
[12:20] <caffinated> anyhow, personal issues aside, I think we can at least agree that piracy is not a valid topic for this channel.
[12:20] <_underlord> i totaly agree
[12:21] <jhaig> Again in the install, I understand why the root account has been disabled but in my particular case I want to mount /home as an NFS partition and use NIS for users.  Therefore I don't really want to set up any users.  Is this possible?
[12:21] <_underlord> im just saying that you shouldnt assume tools which can be used to pirate are allways used to pirate
[12:21] <caffinated> _underlord: and i'm saying you're wrong.
[12:21] <caffinated> in the case of keygens anyway.
[12:21] <Burgundavia> I would say that 99% of keygens are used to pirate software
[12:21] <olovlindberg> hey.. i have a problem compiling ipw2200 1.0.2 ..
[12:21] <_underlord> anyway, it doesnt matter now since i use no commercial software anymore
[12:22] <caffinated> I would say 100% of keygens are used to pirate software.
[12:22] <_underlord> Burgundavia: probably more than that
[12:22] <olovlindberg> make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[12:22] <Burgundavia> I was being generous to allow for legit use
[12:22] <olovlindberg> any ideas? :)
[12:23] <caffinated> the "all software should be free" is an interesting argument too.  assuming that means you shouldn't ever have to pay, it sure would put a drag on innovation.
[12:23] <drbombay43> Burgundavia, do I need to enable it in /etc/apt/sources.list or saved sources.list or both?
[12:23] <techn9ne> i bleieve all software should be free
[12:23] <topyli> jhaig: i think it's not possible initially. later you can enable root and delete the user
[12:23] <Burgundavia> drbombay43: just the one in apt
[12:23] <techn9ne> in the richard stallman camp
[12:23] <techn9ne> and i develop software for a living
[12:24] <drbombay43> again thank you
[12:24] <caffinated> techn9ne: stallman doesn't mean "Free as in don't pay"
[12:24] <Jishi> hello everyone
[12:24] <topyli> jhaig: on the other hand, you could still forget root and use the user account for administration :)
[12:24] <techn9ne> free as in freedom
[12:24] <techn9ne> and money
[12:24] <Jishi> Guyz I love Ubuntu !!!
[12:24] <caffinated> so your argument doesn't even follow the same tangent.
[12:24] <techn9ne> which argument? that software should be free?
[12:24] <_underlord> software shouldnt be free
[12:24] <Jishi> I tried fedora COre 3 and it sucks compared to Ubuntu so I went back!
[12:25] <caffinated> that you shouldn't have to pay for software.
[12:25] <techn9ne> you shouldnt
[12:25] <_underlord> it should be open, but much of software should have a fee imo
[12:25] <caffinated> someone has to pay.
[12:25] <caffinated> or there is no motivation to continue.
[12:25] <techn9ne> obviously you're wrong
[12:25] <topyli> techn9ne: they don't mention free as in free-of-charge anywhere. freedom is enough
[12:25] <techn9ne> redhat is gonna make what $300m this year??
[12:25] <caffinated> why do you think they offer cash bounties to fix problems in various software packages?
[12:25] <Jishi> okay guyz when I sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[12:25] <techn9ne> m w/ a million
[12:25] <Jishi> I get
[12:25] <techn9ne> mysql makes money, novell makes money, ibm makes money etc.
[12:26] <caffinated> It's because it's not getting fixed for free.
[12:26] <Jishi> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:26] <Jishi>   gstreamer0.8-plugins: Depends: gstreamer0.8-aa but it is not installable
[12:26] <Jishi>                         Depends: gstreamer0.8-artsd but it is not installable
[12:26] <Jishi>                         Depends: gstreamer0.8-caca but it is not installable
[12:26] <Jishi>                         Depends: gstreamer0.8-festival but it is not installable
[12:26] <Jishi>                         Depends: gstreamer0.8-jack but it is not installable
[12:26] <Jishi>                         Depends: gstreamer0.8-mad but it is not going to be installed
[12:26] <jhaig> topyli: That's not a bad idea
[12:26] <Jishi>                         Depends: gstreamer0.8-mikmod but it is not installable
[12:26] <michel> help
[12:26] <Jishi>                         Depends: gstreamer0.8-mpeg2dec but it is not going to be installed
[12:26] <techn9ne> making free software
[12:26] <Jishi>                         Depends: gstreamer0.8-sid but it is not installable
[12:26] <Jishi>                         Depends: gstreamer0.8-swfdec but it is not going to be installed
[12:26] <michel> wat
[12:26] <Burgundavia> Jishi: please avoid flooding the channel
[12:26] <michel> french
[12:26] <_underlord> it shouldnt be overpriced, it should cost what it needs to and a tad more, if people want to make it free thats their choice, you cant force it upon them though
[12:26] <Jishi> oops sorry guyz my bad!
[12:26] <michel> french pleas
[12:26] <Burgundavia> Jishi: np
[12:26] <techn9ne> look how much linux has innovated in last 5 years vs. windows? no innovation w/ free software? what planet are you from?
[12:26] <michel> ubuntu
[12:27] <topyli> michel: try #ubuntu-fr
[12:27] <Jishi> Burgundavia so what do I do to show you guzy my errors
[12:27] <caffinated> I agree, it's nice when people use the "we only offer support" model.  but that doesn't go as far as one might think, and it still entails corporate support in the form of cash.
[12:27] <michel> in french langage please
[12:27] <techn9ne> ppl should have the freedom to make money off it but ppl should have the freedom to choose whether to pay for it
[12:27] <michel> not
[12:27] <michel> fuck
[12:27] <caffinated> so, even when you think it's free, it's really not.
[12:27] <michel> couillon
[12:27] <caffinated> someone is paying those bills.
[12:28] <techn9ne> obviously
[12:28] <techn9ne> its still free as in freedom
[12:28] <jhaig> Can supermount be enabled?  Or would the kernel need to be recompiled?
[12:28] <caffinated> techn9ne: which has nothing to do with "free as in no money"
[12:28] <techn9ne> yes it does
[12:28] <caffinated> techn9ne: thanks for validating my earlier point ;)
[12:28] <techn9ne> you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. try reading up on FSF stuff.
[12:29] <caffinated> techn9ne: I have a better idea than you think.
[12:29] <topyli> jhaig: supermount is mandrake's own thing. you need to apply their patch and recompile
[12:29] <_underlord> it would be nice if we could alter our instincts to work with intellegence and donate t all the progects we use if we can so that free could work in all situations, but that isnt the case, commercial software works
[12:29] <caffinated> if the FSF was all about "free as in no money" nobody would be able to sell their work under the GPL
[12:29] <topyli> jhaig: automount (?) is more standard
[12:29] <techn9ne> they dont
[12:29] <michel> salut
[12:29] <caffinated> however, we all know this isn't true.  you're more than welcome to charge money.
[12:29] <techn9ne> they sell services and support
[12:29] <michel> ca va
[12:30] <techn9ne> its still free
[12:30] <michel> wat is?
[12:30] <techn9ne> they charge you for something thats free
[12:30] <jhaig> Does automount do the same thing?  I thought it was for mounting network file systems.
[12:30] <caffinated> hell, you're more than welcome to sell licenses too.
[12:30] <techn9ne> they can do whatever they want thats freedom
[12:30] <techn9ne> you dont have to pay for it though
[12:30] <topyli> michel: #ubuntu-rf
[12:30] <michel> now
[12:30] <caffinated> not that it matters, most of the larger projects won't use the GPL.
[12:30] <michel> no
[12:30] <topyli> michel: heh. #ubuntu-fr
[12:30] <techn9ne> caffinated: which projects are those?
[12:30] <Madeye> travolda want to dump penguin!
[12:30] <caffinated> mysql comes to mind
[12:30] <michel> wie is topyli
[12:30] <caffinated> php is another
[12:31] <Madeye> 204.157.15.31
[12:31] <techn9ne> mysql and php are both gpl
[12:31] <Madeye> err
[12:31] <Madeye> http://www.linux.org/news/LO2005/mascot_20050401.html
[12:31] <techn9ne> not sure what planet you're on
[12:31] <solidape> new problem: filenames with ??? don't display right on mounted partitions (nautilus says invalid encoding)
[12:31] <caffinated> techn9ne: you really need to read the licenses more carefully then.
[12:31] <techn9ne> mysql sells nongpl liscences
[12:31] <Rhymes> anyone does use pmidi on ubuntu?
[12:31] <michel> away
[12:31] <puppet> techn9ne: mysql sells support
[12:32] <Madeye> LoL
[12:32] <Rhymes> i have some troubles compiling pmidi 1.6 cause ubuntu's pmidi does not work with alsa 1.x
[12:32] <techn9ne> mysql sells support and will sell you a non-gpl liscence
[12:32] <topyli> puppet: of course. they also sell licenses for those who want to develop proprietary apps on mysql
[12:32] <techn9ne> a version of th software that isnt under gpl
[12:32] <techn9ne> but the version you d/l is gpl
[12:33] <techn9ne> its df. not proprietary
[12:33] <topyli> techn9ne: AFAIK, the software is the same. the license is different
[12:33] <techn9ne> right
[12:34] <caffinated> techn9ne: fair enough, i stand corrected on the mysql issue.  but php is definatly not.
[12:35] <techn9ne> its apache
[12:35] <caffinated> it could be considered GPL compatible
[12:35] <techn9ne> you can download, use php free
[12:35] <caffinated> but it's not GPL
[12:35] <caffinated> heh, yeah, but all the tools that make it run well cost money.
[12:35] <caffinated> unless you're happy with the optimizer
[12:36] <techn9ne> right. they have the freedom to charge for something free. but you have the freedom to not pay for it.
[12:36] <caffinated> zend bases it's model not just around support, but by selling supplimentary tools and other packages that work with PHP.
[12:36] <caffinated> no, at no point do you have the right to use, say, zend performace suite for free.
[12:36] <techn9ne> thats not part of php
[12:36] <techn9ne> thats an proprietary add-on for php
[12:36] <caffinated> sure it is.
[12:37] <techn9ne> of course it isnt
[12:37] <caffinated> it's a part of PHP wich it withheld.
[12:37] <caffinated> so they can turn a profit.
[12:37] <techn9ne> right theres nothing wrong w/ that
[12:37] <techn9ne> they ahve the freedom to do whatever they want. php is free.
[12:38] <caffinated> erm, Zend makes the engine that makes PHP work.
[12:38] <caffinated> it's theirs.
[12:38] <techn9ne> i think the other stuff should be free and thus i wont use their optimizer. i use the OSS one.
[12:38] <techn9ne> this is getting dumb. im right in my mind you're right in your mind. i dont care any more.
[12:38] <caffinated> fair enough.
[12:38] <i0n_st0rm> howdy do all
[12:39] <krischan> I need a little help with 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' please: I chose the 'nvidia' driver - which server modules (GLcore, dri, etc.) shall I activate?
[12:39] <techn9ne> ummm you should backup your x config first
[12:40] <techn9ne> so if you break something its easy to fix
[12:40] <yogui> hi !!!
[12:40] <yogui> what appz should i use to heard a web radio ?
[12:41] <i0n_st0rm> what do you guys think.. should i upgrade to hoary now or wait another 6 days?
[12:41] <ABDELHAMID> hello everyone! is there is there any technician free to help me ?
[12:41] <techn9ne> yogui: depends on the type of stream
[12:41] <ABDELHAMID> hello everyone! is there any technician free to help me ?
[12:41] <topyli> hehe
[12:41] <yogui> it's a ogg stream
[12:41] <techn9ne> ABDELHAMID: sure it'll bee $500 / hr. please post your cc #
[12:42] <ABDELHAMID> well, i put my qestion, and whoever can answer answer
[12:42] <techn9ne> yogui : beep, rythmbox
[12:42] <topyli> ABDELHAMID: just ask, somebody may be able to help you
[12:42] <ABDELHAMID> lol techn9ne :))
[12:42] <techn9ne> and prob. 20 others
[12:42] <ABDELHAMID> okay
[12:42] <ABDELHAMID> thanks
[12:42] <drbombay43> Burgundavia, Again Thank you
[12:42] <Burgundavia> drbombay43: np
[12:43] <yogui> techn9ne : yes but i ve rythmbox and xhen i click on the link, it dowload the file
[12:43] <techn9ne> is it opening w/ rythmbox?
[12:43] <techn9ne> firefox right?
[12:44] <techn9ne> are you selecting "open" ?
[12:44] <ABDELHAMID> so i downloaaded an image of Kubuntu (kubuntu-hoary-install-i386.iso) but when i want to burn it with nero, nero says "size of bloc doenst match the size of the image..."
[12:44] <yogui> techn9ne : i i select open,
[12:44] <Gandalfar> Anyone else seeing long startup times with firefox?
[12:44] <techn9ne> yogui: did you select the open prog. as rythmbox?
[12:45] <yogui> yes
[12:45] <techn9ne> try copying and pasting the url into rythmbox thing for web radio
[12:45] <ABDELHAMID> on my HDD the size of the image is something like 30Mb, while it's supposed to be 550Mb (approx)
[12:45] <techn9ne> if that doesnt work then i dont know
[12:45] <i0n_st0rm> Gandalfar: not expecially..
[12:45] <yogui> techn9ne ok
[12:45] <i0n_st0rm> especially*
[12:45] <Gandalfar> i0n_st0rm: it takes about 20s to start
[12:45] <i0n_st0rm> fingers like to mis-type when tired *sigh*
[12:45] <techn9ne> ABDELHAMID: well you obviously dont have the whole image downloaded
[12:45] <Gandalfar> i0n_st0rm: it used to be much faster
[12:45] <i0n_st0rm> mine only takes a few
[12:45] <i0n_st0rm> and that's first load
[12:46] <techn9ne> resume it or re-download it
[12:46] <yogui> http://ogg.radio-psylone.info:14000/adsl.ogg : it's working
[12:46] <i0n_st0rm> perhaps one of these kind people can help you with that, i'm still trying to decide whether to even upgrade to hoary now or wait until the 8th
[12:46] <ABDELHAMID> impossible techn9ne, im sure i downloaded it all. When i load it on a virtual CDdrive (daemon tool) it shows that its 550Mb
[12:47] <techn9ne> i dont know you're on windows asking how to burn a image on windows
[12:47] <Gandalfar> i0n_st0rm: hoary is ok :-)
[12:47] <techn9ne> i dont use windows
[12:47] <topyli> KarlosII_: you've been playing with gdesklets perhaps
[12:47] <KarlosII_> yes :)
[12:47] <techn9ne> its not an ubuntu or linux problem its a windows + nero problem
[12:47] <i0n_st0rm> i'm sure it is
[12:47] <ABDELHAMID> so....u dont know what the problem is ?
[12:47] <techn9ne> no
[12:47] <i0n_st0rm> i suppose i'll go ahead and upgrade now
[12:47] <ABDELHAMID> :((
[12:47] <ABDELHAMID> maybe i should post my problem on a forum and wait
[12:47] <techn9ne> i dont think you have the full thing downloaded
[12:48] <rizla> hi
[12:48] <techn9ne> if windows says its 30mb or whatever then its 30mb
[12:48] <ABDELHAMID> no, im sure i dld it all
[12:48] <ABDELHAMID> i saw it
[12:48] <rizla> how can i unstall a package installed by a .bin?
[12:48] <joonas> a corrupt dl?
[12:48] <techn9ne> well im gonna tell you to d/l it again and make sure it shows 550mb in explorer before you burn it
[12:49] <ABDELHAMID> it's the second time i download it
[12:49] <Gandalfar> what about md5summing it?
[12:49] <techn9ne> ok well your windows is brocken or you aren't doing something right
[12:49] <techn9ne> in any case its a windows problem
[12:49] <ABDELHAMID> if it's a corrupt dowload, how come the virtual CDdrive tells me that its 580MB size
[12:49] <ABDELHAMID> ok
[12:49] <techn9ne> i dont know what virtual cd drive is
[12:49] <ABDELHAMID> a windows problem..
[12:50] <techn9ne> try another computer
[12:50] <ABDELHAMID> ok
[12:50] <ABDELHAMID> sh#t
[12:50] <topyli> rizla: usually you'll have to find and delete the files. fortunately, those installers tend to put everything in a single directory
[12:50] <ABDELHAMID> thank u anyone :)
[12:50] <locomorto> Komodo looks nice, if it holds upto expectation during the trail period i intend on buying the pesonal version
[12:50] <ABDELHAMID> thank u anyWAY :)
[12:51] <ABDELHAMID> my english is bad, sorry
[12:51] <ABDELHAMID> bye
[12:55] <black_Nightmare> hey there
[12:57] <HappyPills> Question... How do I disable xchat's anti-flooding preferences? When I connect to a server it proceeds to scan my connection for trojans and the like. Xchat2 picks up these scans and decides it is being flood attacked and proceeds to set a /ignore on the entire server, effectively booting me off =(
[12:58] <i0n_st0rm> ok.. i'm either more tired than i thought or losing my mind.. anyone happen to know off hand where exactly the article is about upgrading to hoary?
[12:59] <Owl^> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[12:59] <alt3rim> hey i have some questions for you experts!
[12:59] <alt3rim> how do i open a .rar file?
[12:59] <HappyPills> install the rar package
[12:59] <alt3rim> the rar package?
[12:59] <Owl^> file-roller, and remember to install rar package
[12:59] <roo_> alt3rim, then "unrar e file.rar"
[01:00] <HappyPills> sudo apt-get install rar
[01:00] <alt3rim> hmm
[01:00] <alt3rim> i'll check synaptic
[01:01] <roo_> HappyPills, i use xchat and have none of those problems :/
[01:01] <Burgundavia> HappyPills: rar-nonfree is what you need
[01:01] <scizzo> unrar-nonfree
[01:01] <alt3rim> HappyPills surely the package i want is 'unrar' not rar
[01:01] <HappyPills> I only have these problems on certain servers =(
[01:01] <KarlosII> dang thing is not working
[01:01] <HappyPills> ooh... I don't have unrar installed
[01:02] <Burgundavia> i0n_st0rm: please note that those notes are by no means complete or authoritative
[01:02] <HappyPills> yet I can still unrar files =)
[01:02] <HappyPills> I think I type rar -x filename... can't remember the gory details
[01:02] <Owl^> scizzo, unrar-free didn't work with file-roller (although it does of course work in console)
[01:02] <alt3rim> nevermind the terminal
[01:02] <topyli> KarlosII: just run sensors-detect and it will walk you through the setup
[01:02] <alt3rim> i want to be able to doubleclick a .rar file and have it open!
[01:02] <alt3rim> that is all!
[01:02] <Owl^> for me that is
[01:02] <alt3rim> which program do i need! :)
[01:02] <KarlosII> topyli, nope not working
[01:03] <topyli> hrm
[01:03] <scizzo> Owl^: file-roller is not suppose to work with a nonfree package
[01:03] <Owl^> file-roller should be installed already... when you click on a rar file it should open in file-roller, but not work
[01:03] <Owl^> scizzo, ah I see
[01:03] <KarlosII> topyli, it's bafled me
[01:03] <jhaig> What is the universe repository
[01:03] <alt3rim> correct Owl
[01:03] <alt3rim> that is exactly what happens
[01:03] <Owl^> then install rar package
[01:03] <alt3rim> fileroller opens it but it doesnt know the archive type
[01:03] <Owl^> and try again
[01:03] <Owl^> it should now work
[01:03] <roo_> jhaig, a collection of community maintained packages.
[01:03] <Owl^> *then
[01:03] <alt3rim> sorry i just thought the unrar pack might be more 'apt'
[01:04] <roo_> ^ pun :)
[01:04] <Owl^> well, could be, but at least rar worked well for me
[01:04] <Owl^> roo_,  indeed. :D
[01:04] <i0n_st0rm> Burgundavia: understood.. so where might one find an authoritative and complete reference guide to upgrading to hoary?
[01:04] <davidw> is there somthing like debootstrap for ubuntu?
[01:04] <scizzo> well...file-roller as it is...it is a rather new package that is becoming more and more stable AFAIK....nonfree is good for newer archives of rar...but thats it
[01:04] <Owl^> i0n_st0rm, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes ?
[01:04] <roo_> i0n_st0rm, you probably wont. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes is a good starting point tho, as Owl^ said.
[01:05] <i0n_st0rm> thank ye kindly :)
[01:05] <Burgundavia> i0n_st0rm: one doesn't exist
[01:05] <Funraiser> does someone know how to open ACE archived files?
[01:05] <Jishi> test
[01:05] <i0n_st0rm> anything that sets me in the right direction is a good starting point, which is all i was asking for, really
[01:05] <Owl^> ooh, ace's are tough cookies
[01:05] <Funraiser> really
[01:05] <i0n_st0rm> well.. i know how to open them.. in windows..
[01:05] <Owl^> last time I needed to unrar an ace, I had to fiddle with wine and somesuch
[01:05] <i0n_st0rm> ace is a proprietary format for winace, which is a windows based compression utitility
[01:06] <Owl^> hell I tell you... linux unace wasn't up to date on the format. :D
[01:06] <roo_> i0n_st0rm, unpack in windows and repack as something easy to read? (zip, rar, tar, etc)
[01:06] <i0n_st0rm> to do it in linux, that would it, yes
[01:06] <i0n_st0rm> :)
[01:06] <Funraiser> damn it, u mean i have to boot windows...i hate do go back to window$...
[01:06] <Owl^> if you don't have access to windows, try wine. :D
[01:06] <roo_> Funraiser, sorry, i directed that at the wrong person :)
[01:06] <Funraiser> well thanks guys
[01:06] <Owl^> it did work for me, in the end, but it wasn't all that straightforward
[01:07] <roo_> Funraiser, it'll take 2mins, and then u can remember never to use the crappy format ever again :)
[01:07] <i0n_st0rm> hrm.. would it be best just to wait until the official hoary release?
[01:07] <i0n_st0rm> ie. would they then put out official upgrading instructions
[01:07] <bosewicht> anyone using the linksys wpc11 v4 wireless card?
[01:07] <Owl^> i0n_st0rm, I just updated to hoary yesterday, and it's working like a charm
[01:07] <i0n_st0rm> right-o
[01:08] <Funraiser> well i downloaded the stuff on amule, it was hard to get, the first that came was an ACE one, but i'll remember next time
[01:08] <Owl^> i0n_st0rm, that page should give all the info you need... at least I remember it had a step by step instructions on how to do it
[01:08] <scizzo> well you could try unace
[01:08] <jhaig> I have just started updating to hoary now.  1h46m remaining - oh well.  ;-)
[01:08] <i0n_st0rm> hehe
[01:08] <rizla> hi
[01:08] <rizla> anybody use mldonkey-gui?
[01:08] <Florob> what if I upgrade from warty to hoary and have a self-compiled kernel package installed, will the standard kernel for hoary be installed?
[01:09] <Funraiser> thanks and happy sunny sunday
[01:09] <scizzo> Funraiser: 13:08 < scizzo> well you could try unace
[01:09] <jhaig> Will it cause problems if I am logged in while it is updating everything?  For example, what will happen when it updates X?
[01:09] <Burgundavia> jhaig: it will keep running the old x until you restart x
[01:09] <scizzo> Funraiser: not sure how well it will work with new archives of ace but ace files are not a good choice to have in Linux to try to read... :P
[01:10] <Funraiser> ok
[01:10] <scizzo> jhaig: X won't die...but you could update in the console using apt-get...
[01:10] <jhaig> Thanks.  On another computer (running RedHat) I upgraded Evolution and the running version fell over.
[01:10] <scott> anyone used entrance on ubuntu?
[01:10] <scizzo> jhaig: applications should be closed
[01:11] <topyli> jhaig: might just be evolution-data-server restarting and evolution panicking because of that. or something
[01:11] <Burgundavia> jhaig: I haven't had any issues with updating a system while lots of stuff is running
[01:12] <roo_> scott, not in ubu, i have had it set up in gentoo
[01:12] <locomorto> jhaig: You just need to restart the xserver for the changes to take effect
[01:14] <bosewicht> anyone know where i can get a ndiswrapper 0.8 package?
[01:14] <i0n_st0rm> ok.. guess i get to go find something to do for an hour :)
[01:14] <Jishi> Ubuntu RockS!!!!!!!!!
[01:14] <Jishi> touch wood
[01:14] <i0n_st0rm> hrm.. now here's a thought
[01:15] <Owl^> i0n_st0rm, so you started the update?
[01:15] <i0n_st0rm> is there any way to convert your file system without a reisntall?
[01:15] <i0n_st0rm> yup i did
[01:15] <Owl^> good for you! :D
[01:15] <Owl^> hmm
[01:15] <i0n_st0rm> i'm actually thinking that i want to change over to JFS
[01:16] <locomorto> JFS? Not reizer4?
[01:16] <Owl^> maybe parted? not completely sure though, I know it can resize partitions but changing the filesystem and keeping the files intact...
[01:16] <i0n_st0rm> reiser was my original choice, but i checked some things that showed JFS come out fairly on top of the journaling file systems
[01:16] <archangel_> what about reiser4?
[01:16] <i0n_st0rm> that wasn't listed in the comparisons :)
[01:16] <archangel_> lol gotcha
[01:16] <i0n_st0rm> though i'm rather open to it
[01:17] <i0n_st0rm> i used reiser once during one of my many failed attempts to get gentoo properly working, and i found it remarkably faster than anything else
[01:17] <netmonk> can someone help me?! before I could open rar files and i just can't. any ideas?
[01:17] <i0n_st0rm> but then, i had never tried JFS to know
[01:17] <archangel_> I don't think its been reviewed yet and I wanted reiser4 as a filesystem to try under ubuntu
[01:17] <i0n_st0rm> hmm
[01:18] <i0n_st0rm> well, i have heard that it is insane in terms of speed
[01:18] <i0n_st0rm> heard/read hehe
[01:18] <i0n_st0rm> can you convert your file system without destroying the data, or do i need to do a fresh ubuntu install?
[01:18] <archangel_> netmonk, if you go to ubuntu forums and read under Hoary go under how to's and look for unofficial guide to hoary
[01:19] <archangel_> I looked that up on the reiser website
[01:19] <kent> What is the new red icon in the notifyicon's  for new updates in Hoary supposed to look like? I cant see what it is, its ugly red with some white spaces on it..
[01:19] <jhaig> I don't think you can change the filesystem without reformatting, unless you are going from ext2 to ext3.
[01:19] <netmonk> ok, thanks archangel_
[01:19] <archangel_> there may be a way
[01:19] <archangel_> no prob
[01:19] <i0n_st0rm> sadly, ext2 is faster than ext3 in many cases
[01:19] <mjr> i0n_st0rm, well, you could do a multi-stage-"resize partitions and copy data" thing, but no nice tools for it exist
[01:19] <black_Nightmare> kent....'software updates'
[01:19] <i0n_st0rm> ext3 is apparently the slowest thing there is
[01:19] <Burgundavia> kent: yes, it is new notification icon
[01:19] <black_Nightmare> thats what it is
[01:19] <archangel_> good point, new partition just to test
[01:19] <Burgundavia> kent: for software updates, that is
[01:20] <i0n_st0rm> hmm.. right you are
[01:20] <kent> black_Nightmare, Burgundavia,  I know its the update-icon. My qeuestion was what it is supposed to look like. It looks terrible :(
[01:20] <i0n_st0rm> i think i'll just settle for a clean and simple fresh install.. it's not like i've not already gone through more installs of various linux distros than i can count
[01:20] <archangel_> can anyone tell me how xfs performs in comparison?
[01:20] <i0n_st0rm> umm..
[01:20] <i0n_st0rm> yeah..
[01:20] <i0n_st0rm> let me see if i can find the page
[01:20] <archangel_> lol bad?
[01:21] <mdke> how can I remove unnecessary depencies with apt?
[01:21] <i0n_st0rm> http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html
[01:21] <bosewicht> shit....where can i get an older ndiswrapper
[01:21] <archangel_> got it brb
[01:21] <i0n_st0rm> that's the link to the page with the file systems benchmarking comparisons
[01:22] <Burgundavia> speed is not everything
[01:22] <archangel_> what is?
[01:22] <i0n_st0rm> no, but it is nice :)
[01:22] <Burgundavia> there is probably a good reason most distros have remained with ext3
[01:22] <i0n_st0rm> there is..
[01:23] <archangel_> we have to settle somewhere and I've only gone wrong with speed once and it was in a car
[01:23] <i0n_st0rm> like debian and others, they go with things that work and have been used forever
[01:23] <Burgundavia> stability is a good thing in an fs
[01:23] <i0n_st0rm> i know a number of people that prefer reiser over ext3 and say it works flawlessly and much faster
[01:23] <archangel_> and makes it less buggy as well
[01:23] <archangel_> I'm using reiserFS
[01:23] <archangel_> no problems at all
[01:23] <Burgundavia> there are always going to be edge cases that only certain people see
[01:23] <mjr> i0n_st0rm, doesn't matter, since there are a number of people for whom it doesn't work as well too ;)
[01:23] <i0n_st0rm> from what i understand, the stability issues have pretty much been solved with reiser
[01:24] <malte> hi! is it possible to make an initrd image automatically for a new kernel?
[01:24] <i0n_st0rm> mjr: that could be their problem as much as the file system's :)
[01:24] <Florob> malte: how about mkinitrd?
[01:24] <Burgundavia> unforunately, it seems the mental stability issues have not been solved with Hans
[01:24] <mjr> it's my impression that if/when a bit flips in a reiserfs, you're so much more screwed than in a traditional one
[01:24] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[01:24] <mjr> but perhaps things have been progressing
[01:24] <malte> Florob: sounds good :) i`ll take a look at it, thanks
[01:25] <i0n_st0rm> the major problem that i've noted with reiserfs is the power-off issue
[01:25] <i0n_st0rm> which, to my understanding, was resolved
[01:25] <mjr> does reiserfsck --rebuild-tree still take quite a while to fuck everything up? ;)
[01:26] <archangel_> its so much fun being ignorant, where was this info when I was choosing a file system?
[01:26] <i0n_st0rm> if you want a quick end cap of the comparison page i pasted..
[01:26] <i0n_st0rm> CONCLUSION   For those of you still reading, congrats!   The conclusion is obvious by the "Total Time For All Benchmarks Test."  The best journaling file system to choose based upon these results would be: JFS, ReiserFS or XFS depending on your needs and what types of files you are dealing with.  I was quite surprised how slow ext3 was overall, as many distributions use this file system as their default file system.  Overall, one should choose the best f
[01:26] <archangel_> benchmarks don't lie but are computer and program specific
[01:26] <i0n_st0rm> yes, but the person also didn't use benchmarking tools
[01:27] <i0n_st0rm> he decided to do real-world tests
[01:27] <archangel_> but was there hardware change?
[01:27] <Owl^> I tried reiser WAY back, and although it was fast, I got alienated from it... simply because I had reinstall linux more often than windows, since when I/the computer screwed something up and I had to force reset it would always fsck up the fs
[01:27] <mjr> Owl^, yah, and reiserfsck really didn't do its job very well
[01:27] <netmonk> how do i install a deb file?
[01:27] <i0n_st0rm> no, he used the same system with the same drive and just did a fresh file system on the test drive of each one and compared times
[01:27] <mjg59> ext3 tends to be fairly robust, and it's the easiest to read from other OSes
[01:28] <Burgundavia> I run an unstable OS not an unstable FS
[01:28] <archangel_> netmonk what is the file?
[01:28] <Burgundavia> netmonk: sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[01:28] <Owl^> mjr, well, it fscked the fs in two ways, normal fsck and then it just fscked it up. :D
[01:28] <mjg59> It's a sensible default. The installer lets you choose a different fs at install time.
[01:28] <i0n_st0rm> hehe
[01:28] <Owl^> s/normal/reiser/
[01:28] <netmonk> thank you Burgundavia
[01:28] <netmonk> archangel_, rar
[01:28] <i0n_st0rm> i understand, bad experiences can really hurt
[01:29] <Burgundavia> netmonk: it is in the repos
[01:29] <mjr> Owl^, in-fscking-deed
[01:29] <Burgundavia> netmonk: search for rar-nonfree in synaptic
[01:29] <mjg59> You'll need multiverse enabled to get rar-nonfree
[01:29] <Owl^> fsck yeah!
[01:29] <Burgundavia> netmonk: always install something from using apt-get or synaptic before random bytes fromt eh internet
[01:29] <archangel_> netmonk you can copy and paste the commands into your terminal and it will do the rest
[01:29] <archangel_> from the guide
[01:30] <i0n_st0rm> so i suppose i'm destined to do a reinstall of ubuntu if i want to change over and try out JFS :)
[01:30] <netmonk> Burgundavia, archangel_ i got the file from ubuntu package site, i couldn't find it with synaptic
[01:30] <i0n_st0rm> means my currently on-going hoary upgrade is pointless
[01:30] <bdr> anybody out there running Hoary on an Acer Travelmate 8104? I've been trying to get the damn thing's wireless and X to work for four hours now with no luck
[01:30] <Owl^> probably, yeah, unless you want to the hard way with parted and lots of tears, sweat and blood
[01:30] <i0n_st0rm> netmonk: did you try apt-get?
[01:30] <Burgundavia> netmonk: it is there
[01:31] <Florob> i0n_st0rm: well you could always backup all your data, reformat and write them back, that is supposed to work.
[01:31] <archangel_> apt-get will have it netmonk cause I installed it from the guide with apt-get
[01:31] <Burgundavia> netmonk: you need to enable mulitverse
[01:31] <Owl^> i0n_st0rm, not really... you get to familiarize yourself with the quirks of 5.04
[01:31] <netmonk> it is unabled
[01:31] <netmonk> all but deb-src i unabled Burgundavia
[01:32] <i0n_st0rm> Florob: There is really not much data to back up. I installed ubuntu a little over a week ago and have made very little change to it.
[01:32] <Burgundavia> netmonk: need to add something
[01:32] <archangel_> how many are pleased with Hoary so far?
[01:32] <Burgundavia> netmonk: add the word 'multiverse' at the end of the line
[01:32] <Burgundavia> archangel_: I am
[01:32] <archangel_> I am
[01:32] <mdke> is anyone relatively experienced with webservers? I want to run one on a pretty crud computer I have here, and I need to decide what version of apache to run. I don't need php or anything on the server, just wanna keep it as clean as possible, any advice?
[01:32] <netmonk> archangel_, i am too
[01:32] <netmonk> ;)
[01:32] <Owl^> archangel_, I am definetiley
[01:33] <Owl^> *definitely
[01:33] <archangel_> lol we have a winner
[01:33] <Owl^> :D
[01:33] <archangel_> I've installed a ton of linux OS's and this one has brought me back everytime
[01:33] <i0n_st0rm> hrm.. welp.. think i'll grab one of my 9 install cd's and start the reinstall, this time with JFS to try :)
[01:33] <bdr> mdke: I don't think it makes much difference really, isn't apache 2 the default on ubuntu?
[01:34] <mdke> bdr, i don't know
[01:34] <mdke> but i'm happy to install non-default apps
[01:34] <mdke> so apache 1 isn't any cleaner?
[01:34] <archangel_> i0n_st0rm, you ready for that commitment to a filesystem?
[01:34] <archangel_> its a big step
[01:34] <bdr> mkde: not AFAICS
[01:34] <i0n_st0rm> hrm.. here's a question that will probably get me slapped.. anyone here run kubuntu-desktop?
[01:34] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[01:34] <archangel_> thats a negative
[01:34] <malte> :)
[01:34] <archangel_> xfce4
[01:34] <shlomi> i0n_st0rm, I do.
[01:35] <i0n_st0rm> archangel_: if i dislike it, i have no problem going through it to try another one
[01:35] <malte> i have tried it
[01:35] <archangel_> lol
[01:35] <bdr> i0n_st0rm: tried it for a day but it was far too buggy
[01:35] <i0n_st0rm> i did 10 gentoo installations trying to get it to work right
[01:35] <malte> i didn`t find it that buggy though
[01:35] <bosewicht> does anyone know where i can get a ndiswrapper 0.8 package??????????????????
[01:35] <archangel_> i0n_st0rm, you must love your install cd
[01:35] <i0n_st0rm> i think i can handle a few ubuntu installations to decide on a file system :)
[01:35] <Florob> since I got no answer (that I saw at least): (13:08:25) Florob: what if I upgrade from warty to hoary and have a self-compiled kernel package installed, will the standard kernel for hoary be installed?
[01:35] <Owl^> archangel_, used debian back in the day, tried slack, got back to windows, went for gentoo, back to windows, back to gentoo, and so forth, then debian again, and now ubuntu... and I have to say debian unstable surprised me this time, and I was hooked (half a year now, no Windows), and when I installed ubuntu because my java broke, I'm not changing back. :D
[01:35] <shlomi> How do I install the xmms-arts package on kubuntu?
[01:36] <bdr> all my panel items in kde kept dissapearing
[01:36] <i0n_st0rm> i had debian on here before i got the warty cd's in the mail
[01:36] <Riddell> shlomi: using kynaptic
[01:36] <shlomi> http://packages.debian.org/testing/sound/xmms-arts
[01:36] <i0n_st0rm> was needing to (re)install windows so i waited until the cd's got here
[01:36] <i0n_st0rm> i gotta say..
[01:36] <i0n_st0rm> the install for ubuntu is so much more simple and fast than debian
[01:36] <archangel_> lol I hear you Owl^ I started on 4.10 and it ran beautifully now I'm on 5.04 and as soon as they fix my sound card I'll be here until I dies
[01:36] <i0n_st0rm> granted, that's because it's limited in default choice
[01:37] <shlomi> Riddell, I can't find it there (nor with apt-get install)
[01:37] <mdke> Owl^, whoa you are a wanderer
[01:37] <roo_> Owl^, gentoo eh? i used gentoo until a few weeks ago (for 18mnths!) - what didnt u like about it?
[01:37] <Riddell> shlomi: probably have to add universe
[01:37] <Owl^> everything.
[01:37] <shlomi> Riddell, how do I do that?
[01:37] <i0n_st0rm> to be honest, i loved gentoo over all others.. and if i could get it working properly, i would probably stick with it
[01:38] <Owl^> I mean, I liked nothing about it. Although the idea was absolutely fantastic, it just didn't work for me
[01:38] <i0n_st0rm> i just had a different problem every time i installed
[01:38] <archangel_> gentoo drove me crazy with commands.  I'm a newbie and I couldn't get anything to start
[01:38] <i0n_st0rm> i had gentoo installed and working correctly once.. and i made a mistake and screwed up my system
[01:38] <i0n_st0rm> the portage system is amazing
[01:38] <archangel_> thats when I went to windows got some viruses and came back to the light
[01:38] <archangel_> I love portage
[01:38] <Owl^> I remember one time when I couldn't get X installed for some odd reason (every time I installed it something didn't work that worked last time and vice versa), I watched movies in 143x60 console screen with aa-lib and mplayer. :D
[01:38] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[01:39] <archangel_> lol
[01:39] <i0n_st0rm> that was my main problem, in the end
[01:39] <i0n_st0rm> getting X installed correctly
[01:39] <Owl^> and I'm so damn stubborn, I used the system like that for over a week. :D
[01:39] <Burgundavia> night all
[01:39] <archangel_> I cheaped out and did stage 3 and had it detect my stuff
[01:39] <i0n_st0rm> although i must admit, gentoo was one hell of a learning experience. you forget to chroot once in an installation, and that's a mistake you never make again
[01:40] <archangel_> did anyone install it by the handbook?
[01:40] <i0n_st0rm> me
[01:40] <Owl^> me too
[01:40] <archangel_> I spent hours reading word for word
[01:40] <i0n_st0rm> same here
[01:40] <Owl^> archangel_, yup
[01:40] <i0n_st0rm> and i still screwed it up multiple times
[01:40] <archangel_> that was insane
[01:40] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[01:40] <archangel_> lol
[01:40] <archangel_> me too
[01:40] <i0n_st0rm> it's very detailed..
[01:40] <roo_> archangel_, i think the handbooks are EXCELLENT.
[01:40] <i0n_st0rm> very comprehensive
[01:40] <archangel_> the man that wrote that is my hero
[01:40] <bosewicht> fucking debian
[01:40] <roo_> Gentoo's docs in general are excellent.
[01:40] <i0n_st0rm> the handbook makes it insanely easy to install.. i think it's just the time involved that got to me
[01:40] <Owl^> they are. and they really let you in the linux, you HAVE to learn or you can't use it. :D
[01:40] <mdke> yep
[01:41] <Owl^> i0n_st0rm, two days per install for me.
[01:41] <i0n_st0rm> all i can say is.. at least i'm not a noob
[01:41] <archangel_> they need a post installation handbook that covers every other problem you'll have
[01:41] <roo_> Owl^, yep. I am the linux r0xoR now! heh.. :/
[01:41] <locomorto> i was thinking of installing gentoo on my hoary box if i cant get the new unstable to work
[01:41] <i0n_st0rm> Owl^: fairly similar for me, depending on how i did it.. i did everything from stage 1 to stage 3
[01:41] <roo_> archangel_, they already do: Gentoo Forums :)
[01:42] <mdke> archangel_, tbh the docs are pretty extensive
[01:42] <mdke> both on the site and forum
[01:42] <archangel_> roo_, got to say though when you choose gentoo and you go in their irc you better not be a newbie or they'll drop you
[01:42] <ikaro_> mojn
[01:42] <i0n_st0rm> that can or can not be true, depending
[01:42] <archangel_> I had so much trouble just getting someone to help me with wallpaper
[01:42] <archangel_> I was a total newbie
[01:42] <i0n_st0rm> i met a guy, interestingly enough with the same name as me, in the gentoo irc channel on undernet
[01:42] <roo_> archangel_, yep, altho the forums are great. if only as a reference, very rare that you are the first to have a problem.
[01:42] <Randall64> So, what linux distributions are actively maintaining ppc64?
[01:42] <i0n_st0rm> he helped me alot, but i never got it right
[01:43] <roo_> Randall64, OS X? :p
[01:43] <i0n_st0rm> i think he got tired of me constantly asking questions from installation to installation
[01:43] <roo_> Randall64, Yellodog? Gentoo?
[01:43] <Owl^> oen thing I like about ubuntu is not the docs, but the massive amounts of information you have right at your fingertips... ie. community. way different than say in gentoo
[01:43] <archangel_> roo_, very true.  I didn't discover forums until the hoary install when my friend cut off my tech support so he and his girlfriend could grind
[01:43] <archangel_> naturally I taught myself
[01:43] <roo_> ^ haha!
[01:43] <Owl^> or debian for that matter, I have never ever seen a debian "starter guide"
[01:44] <i0n_st0rm> gentoo is definitely not a newbie distro
[01:44] <archangel_> that was an awkward installation
[01:44] <i0n_st0rm> but if you're a newbie and want to be forced to learn everything, gentoo is fun
[01:44] <archangel_> commands blow my mind
[01:44] <i0n_st0rm> why would you need a debian starter guide?
[01:44] <roo_> i think gentoo is a perfect newbie distro. if you're smart and know how to use google then gentoo gives u a learning experience with linux no other distro can.
[01:44] <i0n_st0rm> debian is incredibly easy to install
[01:44] <Owl^> i0n_st0rm, I wouldn't, but it always baffled me
[01:44] <roo_> apart from LFS.
[01:44] <archangel_> I'm just now learning basics
[01:44] <Owl^> i0n_st0rm, no, I mean after install
[01:44] <i0n_st0rm> roo_: i would agree, if i had 2 systems
[01:45] <i0n_st0rm> after install?
[01:45] <i0n_st0rm> *shrug* apt-get is a bit of a pain for me, to be honest
[01:45] <Randall64> I installed fedora recently after running debian for about 9 years, and it was very friendly.
[01:45] <Randall64> Then my sound stopped working.
[01:45] <roo_> i0n_st0rm, huh? whats painful about apt?
[01:45] <i0n_st0rm> after portage, even apt-get seems like a royal pain in my backside
[01:45] <Owl^> i0n_st0rm,  like, "I have this so called linux now, what do I do now?"
[01:45] <roo_> Randall64, could be a kernel problem if the sound stopped working?
[01:45] <Ozon> i have problems using dhclient. it gives me "network unreachable" :-s anyone who may help?
[01:45] <archangel_> my friend and I tried to import portage into ubuntu for me :-D needless to say that went slowly off a cliff
[01:46] <Randall64> roo: no idea, all the devices were there, just no sound
[01:46] <i0n_st0rm> Owl^: that really has to do with what one actually wants to do with their system
[01:46] <roo_> i0n_st0rm, aaah, AFTER portage.. yeah, portage is the garlic bread of package manager.
[01:46] <i0n_st0rm> roo_: indeed
[01:46] <archangel_> I'm going to tell my kids about portage
[01:46] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[01:46] <Owl^> i0n_st0rm, yeah it does, but... argh, you are completely missing the point here.
[01:46] <malte> to stay away from it?
[01:46] <alt3rim> can someone tell me what i need to install to play xvid in totem?
[01:46] <roo_> that said, if you know ur way around dpkg, and use some scripty goodness available out there it can be uber powerful.
[01:47] <Owl^> anyhow, nice chatting with you guys, I gotta go... cya!
[01:47] <roo_> alt3rim, porn?
[01:47] <i0n_st0rm> no, i'm not missing it.. just getting cut off before i can make my thoughts truly clear :)
[01:47] <roo_> see ya Owl^
[01:47] <i0n_st0rm> i understand what you're saying
[01:47] <archangel_> later Owl^
[01:47] <alt3rim> no
[01:47] <i0n_st0rm> take care, Owl^
[01:47] <alt3rim> xvid
[01:47] <alt3rim> any help?
[01:47] <roo_> alt3rim, ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:47] <alt3rim> i just installed xvidcore4 from synaptic but the file still won't play
[01:47] <alt3rim> do i have to restart?
[01:47] <roo_> alt3rim, you never have to restart :p
[01:47] <archangel_> lol
[01:48] <roo_> alt3rim, unless its a kernel upgrade of course.
[01:48] <archangel_> how does that work I just don
[01:48] <archangel_> don't get it
[01:48] <topyli> alt3rim: xvidcore is not a video codec
[01:48] <archangel_> no reboot
[01:48] <alt3rim> well someone gotta tell me me what pack i need to install to play xvid!
[01:48] <i0n_st0rm> roo_: i'm very spoiled, i suppose.. i tried slackware and one or two others like 7 years ago, but when i came back to try linux again, i went straight for gentoo after researching
[01:48] <i0n_st0rm> even dpkg annoys me when i know what i'm missing by not having portage
[01:49] <roo_> alt3rim, please read ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats like i just said!
[01:49] <i0n_st0rm> and the speed i attained in that 1 successful gentoo setup was quite simply amazing
[01:49] <archangel_> gentoo is one of the best concepts known to man.  Its a man telling his computer what to do and then his computer bitching that you haven't taught it that yet
[01:49] <roo_> alt3rim, proper docs can speak 1000 times more than a few guys in an irc channel.
[01:49] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[01:49] <archangel_> its a woman
[01:49] <alt3rim> so i'm learning
[01:49] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[01:49] <i0n_st0rm> i suppose in a way it is
[01:50] <archangel_> you have to rub it just right or it will put you on the sofa
[01:50] <roo_> as soon as i saw what gentoo was about i thought "this is it". my previous distro was.. MANDRAKE! :o
[01:50] <archangel_> too much for me
[01:50] <i0n_st0rm> ewww!
[01:50] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[01:50] <Ozon> i have problems using dhclient. it gives me "network unreachable" :-s anyone who may help? msg
[01:50] <archangel_> LOL
[01:50] <i0n_st0rm> i can't even get mandrake to work properly for me lol
[01:50] <archangel_> lol
[01:50] <i0n_st0rm> well that's not entirely accurate
[01:50] <i0n_st0rm> it just didn't *feel* right
[01:50] <archangel_> thats a tought claim to make i0n_st0rm
[01:50] <roo_> but that was 2 years ago. imagine how bad it was then :o
[01:51] <i0n_st0rm> mandrake.. i don't know
[01:51] <i0n_st0rm> it just didn't feel "good"
[01:51] <roo_> btw, any of u guys use fvwm?
[01:51] <archangel_> no clue what it is
[01:51] <alt3rim> in that doc they are just telling you to install mplayer
[01:51] <i0n_st0rm> until now, all i've ever been interested in really was kde
[01:51] <alt3rim> why dont they suggest installing the xvid codec?
[01:51] <archangel_> alt3rim, its not a popular request
[01:51] <roo_> fvwm is probably the most powerful window manager/desktop environment in the linux desktop land
[01:51] <i0n_st0rm> gnome is starting to grow on me a little
[01:52] <archangel_> lol I love how fast xfce4 is
[01:52] <i0n_st0rm> i'm still not in love with the top and bottom macOS style bars in gnome, though
[01:52] <archangel_> is fvwm bloated?
[01:52] <archangel_> tons of icons menu bars
[01:52] <archangel_> yada yada
[01:52] <ikaro> no
[01:52] <roo_> My FVWM Screenshot: http://migrantroo.com/roo-fvwm-latest.png
[01:53] <topyli> roo_: so true. once you've configured for a year or two, it's "just so you like it". personally i went for E :)
[01:53] <shlomi> Riddell: thanks, that worked.
[01:53] <roo_> archangel_, fvwm is a polar opposite of bloat!
[01:53] <roo_> archangel_, its tiny, with tiny dependencies.
[01:53] <Ycros> mmm ion :)~
[01:53] <archangel_> how much ram does it use
[01:53] <bdr> haha! X starts! four hours from insert hoary cd to X. getting there
[01:53] <archangel_> on average
[01:53] <roo_> archangel_, very small. WAY smaller than gnome and kde for certain.
[01:54] <roo_> topyli, E is also a good choice :) I REALLY love fvwm tho, been using it for ages. its confgured so heavily for my use now i struggle to use anything else!
[01:54] <archangel_> smaller that xfce4?
[01:54] <roo_> ^ yes.
[01:54] <archangel_> how fast is it on 5.04?
[01:54] <roo_> 7.893782 fastness
[01:54] <roo_> roughly
[01:55] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[01:55] <archangel_> out of 10?
[01:55] <archangel_> or 8
[01:55] <roo_> 10, seriously.
[01:55] <roo_> fvwm is lightning. altho the configuration file is HUGE >:)
[01:55] <zzyber> what is i18n? Can someone explain
[01:55] <archangel_> how can I integrate it for my system?
[01:55] <i0n_st0rm> i swear that my kde on gentoo was as fast as gnome is on my ubuntu
[01:55] <roo_> zzyber, internationalization, abbreviated.
[01:55] <topyli> archangel_: fvwm2 uses about half of what, umm, say gnome-terminal does (just an estimate)
[01:56] <roo_> archangel_, well, patience and hard work. but its worth it.
[01:56] <archangel_> wow
[01:56] <archangel_> roo_, does synaptic have it
[01:56] <roo_> yet has the power to have more functionality than KDE and GNome put together
[01:56] <roo_> archangel_, of course ;)
[01:56] <archangel_> God bless synaptic
[01:56] <topyli> archangel_: actually fvwm2 is pretty big. there are window managers that actually do have a small footprint :)
[01:57] <zzyber> roo_, okey but what about utf-8 vs isoxxxxx-x? Does that have to do with i18n?
[01:57] <topyli> roo_: yes. ratpoison, good old twm
[01:57] <ante> hay.... i'm new to ubuntu... and have a problem
[01:57] <archangel_> wait someone has got to tell me this when I install and run a different session how do I get rid of gnome and all without crashing the other
[01:57] <ante> i installed hoary and updated it
[01:57] <ante> but i don't have a sound at all
[01:57] <roo_> zzyber, yeah, UTF-8 is a character encoding scheme, like isoxxxx
[01:57] <archangel_> lol ante do you have sound blaster audigy?
[01:58] <ante> and ryhtmbox shuts down when i try to import folder in it
[01:58] <roo_> archangel_, just remove all the gnome stuf. thats what i did.
[01:58] <i0n_st0rm> lol you people have kept me here talking to the point that the hoary update is 8 minute from completion on d/l
[01:58] <ante> i have nforce3 chipset with built in soundcard
[01:58] <archangel_> what hoary update?
[01:58] <i0n_st0rm> eh.. update/upgrade
[01:58] <i0n_st0rm> mistype
[01:58] <roo_> i0n_st0rm, mission complete!
[01:59] <archangel_> I have sound blaster ante and I can't hear anything right now
[01:59] <i0n_st0rm> roo_: yes, but i'll have to do it all again when i reinstall to change my fs lol
[01:59] <roo_> i0n_st0rm, from what to what?
[01:59] <i0n_st0rm> i have a sound blaster, but i don't use it :)
[01:59] <ante> archangel_, the we should try to fix it, right?
[01:59] <i0n_st0rm> roo_: from ext3 to JFS
[01:59] <roo_> i0n_st0rm, ah, yeah, not a lot of workarounds for that one..
[01:59] <zzyber> roo_, i really want to understand this internationalazion thing with iso, utf i18n end so on. I use utf-8 now and have problem with encoding filenames downloaded with gnome-bittorrent, is this ubuntus fault, gnome-bittorrent or me as a user?
[02:00] <i0n_st0rm> roo_: know of an easy one for ext3->reiser4?
[02:00] <zzyber> roo_, do you know where to read more about this?
[02:00] <roo_> :p
[02:00] <roo_> zzyber, i have no idea, i dont use gnome-bt :(
[02:00] <archangel_> ante you'd think that but many people have my problem and no solution and I keep in mind I am running beta
[02:00] <roo_> i0n_st0rm, fraid not, is your /home a seperate parition?
[02:00] <archangel_> it was my choice
[02:01] <Randall64> What's the trick to keep hoary RC from pulling down new hoary packages after it installs?
[02:01] <bosewicht> so i am screwed with my wireless card and debian?
[02:01] <i0n_st0rm> roo_: well, i had thought that i had set up a partition structure upon installation, but apparently i didn't and the install made only my / partition and the swap
[02:01] <Randall64> Is hoary completely frozen now?
[02:02] <archangel_> ante best advice I have for you is go to the unbuntu forums and check the posts
[02:02] <archangel_> someone may know your specific problem
[02:02] <ante> archangel_, hmm okay.... or i could revert to warty... does warty have update agent?
[02:02] <ante> archangel_, like hoary?
[02:02] <archangel_> yea apt-get and synaptic
[02:02] <archangel_> and its stable
[02:03] <archangel_> I had no problems
[02:03] <locomorto> ante make sure that the programs output is set to eSound
[02:03] <i0n_st0rm> lol.. somehow i don't think apt and unstable will ever be used together
[02:03] <locomorto> audio output
[02:03] <archangel_> but it won't update to hoary.....ever
[02:03] <ante> archangel_, how can i update whole system with synaptic?
[02:03] <alt3rim> hey
[02:03] <alt3rim> why do i get this error when trying to make a link
[02:03] <alt3rim> ln -s /usr/local/lib/codecs/*
[02:03] <alt3rim> ln: when making multiple links, last argument must be a directory
[02:04] <sung> what are vim commands?
[02:04] <i0n_st0rm> because you're linking a folder and the /* indicates the files in the folder, i would assume
[02:04] <alt3rim> i am following this word for word
[02:05] <alt3rim> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingCodecsToTotemHowTo
[02:05] <alt3rim> oh hang on
[02:05] <alt3rim> ln -s /usr/local/lib/codecs/* . <-- there needed to be a full stop at the end
[02:05] <alt3rim> weird
[02:05] <archangel_> ante go to synaptic, click settings at the top, choose repositories, check boxes and universe and multiverse say ok and click reload tab.  Then choose mark upgrades and choose smart upgrades and click apply
[02:05] <archangel_> voila
[02:06] <i0n_st0rm> nod it has the "." in there and you didn't copy word for word (or rather, character for character)
[02:06] <archangel_> did that make sense?
[02:06] <alt3rim> so what does that . do?
[02:06] <ante> archangel_, thx.... brb when i install warty
[02:06] <archangel_> wait it won't install warty
[02:06] <i0n_st0rm> alt3rim: to be honest, all i could give you is a guess
[02:06] <archangel_> you have to do that with cd ante
[02:06] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[02:07] <archangel_> uh oh
[02:07] <topyli> sung: take 15 minutes to run 'vimtutor'
[02:07] <archangel_> lol
[02:07] <archangel_> well that could have gone worse
[02:07] <archangel_> I could have destroyed his computer myself
[02:07] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[02:07] <roo_> sung, http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm/vim/vim-guide/
[02:08] <archangel_> i0n_st0rm, can you tell me how to fix my sound card?
[02:08] <archangel_> I like music
[02:08] <archangel_> a lot
[02:08] <i0n_st0rm> archangel_: i honestly wouldn't know
[02:08] <i0n_st0rm> as i said.. i have a sound blaster, but i don't actually use it
[02:08] <i0n_st0rm> my headset is a USB one that acts as its own sound card
[02:08] <black_Nightmare> any of you know a bit about vector linux?
[02:08] <archangel_> lol same with me! only I want to use it
[02:09] <archangel_> and it says no
[02:09] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[02:09] <roo_> black_Nightmare, i know it has some speed and direction (boom boom!)
[02:09] <i0n_st0rm> mine's a sound blaster live! value
[02:09] <archangel_> ah
[02:09] <archangel_> the good value one
[02:09] <i0n_st0rm> no.. not really
[02:09] <black_Nightmare> roo_ lol...well is it just like ubuntu or I'll have to go through installion options?
[02:09] <i0n_st0rm> the original value one
[02:09] <i0n_st0rm> oem style
[02:09] <archangel_> do you have a ATI card by any chance?
[02:10] <i0n_st0rm> in a box across the room
[02:10] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[02:10] <i0n_st0rm> it had... issues
[02:10] <archangel_> lol I'll join you on that roo_
[02:10] <i0n_st0rm> so i replaced it with an nvidia chipset card.. mostly so that my linux compatability would be higher
[02:10] <archangel_> I just bought an X800 pro and it bitches at me everyday slow fps
[02:10] <i0n_st0rm> x800 pro?
[02:10] <archangel_> yea
[02:11] <archangel_> the 400$ one
[02:11] <black_Nightmare> ati rage 3D pro agp <<my card.  1158x1024 [or something like that?]  at 70Hz with no problem
[02:11] <i0n_st0rm> i'll trade ya :-p
[02:11] <archangel_> lol
[02:11] <i0n_st0rm> mine's an nvidia fx 5700 le
[02:11] <black_Nightmare> roo_ so mind answering my question above or not really?
[02:11] <archangel_> well I have an nvidia 5500 OC
[02:11] <i0n_st0rm> hehe
[02:11] <archangel_> but it sucks for hl2
[02:11] <saik0> morning
[02:11] <i0n_st0rm> nice buy there
[02:12] <zenwhen> I went Nvidia because of Linux as well.
[02:12] <i0n_st0rm> *shrug* mine does decently in cs: source if i set it to application
[02:12] <roo_> black_Nightmare, i have no idea aboout Vector linux
[02:12] <zenwhen> ATi's drivers are an insult.
[02:12] <roo_> black_Nightmare, check their website/forums/irc channel
[02:12] <saik0> yep, add another Nvidia user thanks to linux
[02:12] <archangel_> I'll drink to that zenwhen
[02:12] <mz2> i can't see much wrong in the current ati drivers
[02:12] <i0n_st0rm> well..
[02:12] <az[a] zel> same here.. bought 2 nvidia cards because of linux support
[02:12] <black_Nightmare> roo_ hm ty anyhow...I tried sit in the chanel but it seem dead as a doornail
[02:12] <archangel_> mz2 I can
[02:12] <i0n_st0rm> my problem with linux and ati
[02:12] <black_Nightmare> LOL..I just quoted something
[02:12] <black_Nightmare> :p
[02:12] <archangel_> slow fps
[02:13] <i0n_st0rm> is that i have an ati 9600 pro
[02:13] <black_Nightmare> zenwhen -- my ati rage pro works 100% perfectly well :|
[02:13] <i0n_st0rm> and it seems that 9600 is the card that linux forgot
[02:13] <zenwhen> mz2, how about the huge gap between the performance of their windows drivers and absolutely wretched dual head support.
[02:13] <zenwhen> Seems those two things are an insult to me.
[02:13] <archangel_> then teach me your ways black_Nightmare
[02:13] <i0n_st0rm> well.. you have to look at the market, really
[02:13] <archangel_> make my X800 flawless
[02:13] <zenwhen> Dual head with different resolutions creates on screen artifacts.
[02:14] <black_Nightmare> archangel....well I guess the problem is you have a very new card :p
[02:14] <i0n_st0rm> ati's biggest consumer base is windows users.. mainly for gaming
[02:14] <black_Nightmare> the ati rage pro however is a very common old card
[02:14] <black_Nightmare> ;)
[02:14] <Alessio> what do you use for p2p, like amule..
[02:14] <archangel_> tricky....but a valid point
[02:14] <locomorto> limwire
[02:14] <i0n_st0rm> windows is still my main OS simply for gaming and school work
[02:14] <black_Nightmare> eh yeah
[02:14] <archangel_> my xconfg file recognizes it just fine
[02:14] <saik0> limewire and BT
[02:14] <waxhead> hey everyone
[02:14] <black_Nightmare> same with that realtek 8029(AS) ethernet card I decided to keep using
[02:14] <locomorto> limewire pwns, but make sure to get the pro version, you support the writers
[02:14] <black_Nightmare> have a dlink tX530+ but its shelved for a long time now
[02:14] <archangel_> viruses are a bitch
[02:15] <i0n_st0rm> viruses a-la windows?
[02:15] <mz2> archangel_, show me a benchmark with the current fglrx driver being compared to the catalyst driver that shows a huge gap
[02:15] <i0n_st0rm> not something i have much problem with
[02:15] <i0n_st0rm> my little brother, on the other hand
[02:15] <zenwhen> I've been Linux only for about eight months. I've been dual booting for about eight years.
[02:15] <i0n_st0rm> i swear i have no clue how he and my mother manage to get his system virus and spyware/malware/trojan ridden at least once a month
[02:15] <saik0> hey I accidentally updated my nvidia-glx, how do i go bnack to 1.0.6629?
[02:16] <zenwhen> saik0, why would you?
[02:16] <archangel_> mz2 I'm talking about my card on windows versus my card linux. massive downfall
[02:16] <mz2> i haven't seen one, and my own card works perfectly well in linux with two monitors. the installation is a mess, but you don't really even have to bother with it in ubuntu
[02:16] <saik0> zenwhen, because the kernel-common package is 6629 >_<
[02:16] <i0n_st0rm> i can't believe i'm still sitting here while the stupid upgrade is going on :p
[02:16] <archangel_> teach me mz2
[02:17] <zenwhen> mz2, what? Are you teling me your card gets comparable performance?
[02:17] <zenwhen> the gap is common knowledge. anandtech did a review. I am sure you can locate it if you desire the knowledge.
[02:17] <archangel_> I'm not here to criticize I'm here to grow as a gamer in linux, if he knows what hes doing let the man preach
[02:17] <archangel_> I bought cedega for a reason
[02:18] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[02:18] <zenwhen> I pirated it for a reason.
[02:18] <alt3rim> can someone tell me the difference between totem and totem-xine?
[02:18] <archangel_> LOL
[02:18] <zenwhen> :)
[02:18] <mz2> zenwhen, not identical, but it's not dramatically lower. i'm perfectly happy with the 3d performance and quality (no opengl rendering glitches anymore) i get out of 3d apps in linux at the moment both with nvidia and ati
[02:18] <i0n_st0rm> if i had the green backs i'd buy cedega
[02:18] <mz2> fps is not all that counts :)
[02:18] <i0n_st0rm> as it is, i'll have to manage to pirate it
[02:18] <i0n_st0rm> mz2: fps is what counts in... fps's ;)
[02:18] <archangel_> arrgg a bastard thing to do to a company that sells free software
[02:18] <archangel_> I like it
[02:19] <alt3rim> can someone tell me the difference between totem and totem-xine?
[02:19] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[02:19] <archangel_> where can I pirate
[02:19] <saik0> well I'm gonna go try running CoH and watch it crash again
[02:19] <archangel_> lol
[02:19] <i0n_st0rm> archangel_: good question.. and one i shall answer myself when i get up and running on JFS
[02:19] <mz2> of course it's not on the same level as os x and windows, but what do you expect with a platform that has a marginal market share of gamers (who seem to be the ones for which fps is the god :)
[02:19] <i0n_st0rm> unless anyone here has a specific reason why i should not use JFS
[02:19] <archangel_> I agree mz2
[02:20] <archangel_> i0n_st0rm, it is your calling
[02:20] <alt3rim> can someone tell me the difference between totem and totem-xine?
[02:20] <archangel_> go to it
[02:20] <i0n_st0rm> hehe
[02:20] <i0n_st0rm> i'm here to learn just as much as you are, archangel_ :)
[02:20] <i0n_st0rm> if anyone has any real knowledge of the specifics of filesystems, i'm here to listen
[02:20] <saik0> I'm here to insult myself...
[02:20] <Alessio> saik0, BT? bittorent?
[02:21] <archangel_> i0n_st0rm, when you answer the call, let me learn from your mistakes....in a comprehesive guide or email
[02:21] <i0n_st0rm> i have one friend that uses nothing but ext3 and another that uses nothing but raiserfs.. they use debian and gentoo respectively
[02:21] <archangel_> don't hold back
[02:21] <saik0> Alessio, yes, I persaonlly use azureus for a client
[02:21] <Alessio> but only per distro..
[02:21] <Alessio> or free software
[02:21] <Alessio> for other things?
[02:22] <saik0> I'm running xfs, it sounded cooler
[02:22] <archangel_> LOL
[02:22] <archangel_> good reason
[02:22] <archangel_> great reason
[02:22] <i0n_st0rm> hmm..
[02:22] <kent> What does it take to link a folder from /home/user/ to /var/www/  to get it to show in the browser? I have apache running, but i get permission denied. I have set the permission o+xr on the files, and the symbolic link. Is it a setting in apache that needs to change?
[02:22] <i0n_st0rm> now here's a question for ya
[02:22] <Owl^> :D
[02:22] <ska-fan> Hi. I'm trying to install MythTV. It says I have to run mythtv-setup as user mythtv, with access to X.
[02:22] <housetier> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/ is this the place to go for the latest hoary image?
[02:22] <ska-fan> How do I do that?
[02:22] <saik0> Alessio, for various things, free software being one of them
[02:22] <i0n_st0rm> do i go with the package maintainer's version or my currently installed one regarding 55numlockx?
[02:22] <ghita> hello!I have upgradeed hoary yesterday. my problem is that now when i open an folder in nautilus its parrent window its automaticaly closed. where must i modify so that nautilus whould behave normal?please help
[02:23] <saik0> time to crash cedega, brb
[02:23] <archangel_> I can't even translate that sentence i0n_st0rm
[02:23] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[02:23] <i0n_st0rm> well nevermind..
[02:24] <raphinou_> Hi. I have freed a partition on my system to install ubuntu, but I want to take NO risk to loose data on the disk. Are there installation steps at which I should pay close attention? is there a way to prevent any partitioning or formatting?
[02:24] <i0n_st0rm> i inadvertently interrupted my upgrade
[02:24] <i0n_st0rm> ctrl+c in terminal != ctrl+c in command prompt
[02:24] <i0n_st0rm> i keep forgetting that
[02:25] <archangel_> i0n_st0rm,  that was probably your first and last mistake with Hoary
[02:26] <archangel_> I wish I could answer these people's questions but I can't even get sound or my ati card to perform
[02:26] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[02:26] <i0n_st0rm> first and last, huh?
[02:26] <archangel_> I'm just as lost as these people
[02:26] <i0n_st0rm> why do you say that?
[02:26] <archangel_> I'm just funnier is all
[02:26] <saik0> yep, I sure love cedega
[02:26] <archangel_> you interrupt an upgrade it could be dirty
[02:26] <archangel_> it could leave fragments on your hard drive
[02:26] <ghita> i figured that out. how can i restart nautilus?
[02:28] <i0n_st0rm> it could, yes
[02:28] <i0n_st0rm> i've found that if i restart the upgrade it will pick up where it left off... usually
[02:28] <saik0> so does anybody know how to rever to the old 1.0.6628 bvidia drivers?
[02:28] <awarsing> hey all - 15 minutes into my ubuntu experience -
[02:28] <saik0> Welcome awarsing
[02:28] <awarsing> hi
[02:29] <Owl^> archangel_, I've interrupted upgrades numerous times with no hard repercussions
[02:29] <Owl^> I did interrupt hoary upgrade, at least twice
[02:29] <awarsing> loaded like a champ on a Gateway laptop, no problems
[02:29] <archangel_> pimpin
[02:29] <Owl^> and then just continued it in a console terminal
[02:29] <Owl^> and nothing wrong here
[02:30] <awarsing> however, im totally new to the linux world and was hoping someone could point me to a site that lists app
[02:30] <Lamber> google -> linux software
[02:30] <Lamber> quite handy :p
[02:30] <saik0> awarsing, well theres synaptic... freshmeat.net is'nt a bad place to start though
[02:30] <alt3rim> anyone help me play xvid in totem?
[02:30] <alt3rim> PLEASE!
[02:31] <awarsing> i get it, thx
[02:31] <Lamber> awarsing, freshmeat is aslo handy :)
[02:32] <archangel_> how do I test sound?
[02:32] <ghita> why can't i load subtitles in totem like in mplayer?
[02:32] <saik0> alt3rim http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:32] <alt3rim> i have tried that saik0, well done
[02:32] <alt3rim> but no luck
[02:32] <Lamber> someone has experience with webcam  on ubuntu?
[02:32] <awarsing> cool - that'll keep me busy
[02:32] <awarsing> thx all
[02:32] <alt3rim> they tell you how to install mplayer, which i dont want to do
[02:32] <archangel_> MY SOUND CARD WORKS!!!!!!!!
[02:32] <archangel_> STICK THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT UBUNTU!
[02:33] <Owl^> so does mine
[02:33] <Owl^> both of them
[02:33] <ska-fan> seb128: Can talk to me directly here, if you want. (About blank CD not recognized)
[02:33] <seb128> ska-fan: k, query if you don't mind
[02:33] <archangel_> mines been dead for 3 days due to analog and digital speaker being on some stupid setting
[02:33] <saik0> alt3rim you added the Marillat repo?
[02:33] <alt3rim> yes
[02:33] <infie> how can I determine what package owns /usr/lib/libXm.a?
[02:34] <infie> or for that matter, does anyone know?
[02:34] <infie> /usr/lib/libXm.so.2
[02:34] <saik0> alt3rim apt-get install w32codecs libxvidcore4 totem-xine
[02:34] <alt3rim> do i need to use xine instead of gstreamer then?
[02:35] <saik0> alt3rim correct
[02:35] <alt3rim> oh
[02:35] <alt3rim> cheers
[02:35] <saik0> alt3rim, you can watch xvid and divx etc with gstreamer though
[02:35] <alt3rim> saik0 that's what i am trying to do
[02:35] <alt3rim> i just want to watch a xvid
[02:36] <alt3rim> i cant seem to work out the best way of sdoing it
[02:36] <saik0> alt3rim apt-get install gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg (in universe I believe)
[02:37] <infie> well, lesstif owns it apparently
[02:37] <alt3rim> i heard there is a gstreamer0.8-xvid too
[02:37] <alt3rim> ??
[02:38] <saik0> alt3rim, if there is it sure is'nt in my repo
[02:39] <alt3rim> saik0 mthat didn't work
[02:39] <alt3rim> oh.. i had to quit synaptic
[02:39] <skyrider> I have few questions about mirroring ubuntu archive but e-mail mirrors@canonical.com seems _not_ to work. :( Where should I ask this kind of queestons?
[02:39] <skyrider> mdz: ?
[02:40] <Owl^> saik0, I'm using totem-xine to view every video file, from mpeg to xvid to wmv9
[02:40] <archangel_> guys its been a blast but I'm gonna run over to the cedega chat and make them answer some of my questions
[02:40] <rooney_> Hallo
[02:40] <elyseum> hi
[02:40] <rooney_> I am Spreak Dutch
[02:40] <saik0> Owl^, yep using totem-xine myself here as well. suppostrs more formats
[02:41] <rooney_> yes
[02:41] <Owl^> at first I didn't understand how to get wmv9 working, but that was fixed by install the pacjage w32codecs
[02:41] <archangel_> take it easy Owl^,  i0n_st0rm, and saik0 I appreciate the help
[02:41] <archangel_> i0n_st0rm, good luck with jfs
[02:41] <rooney_> dunno
[02:41] <alt3rim> thanks saik0 :)
[02:41] <alt3rim> ffmpeg worked a treat
[02:41] <Owl^> archangel_, yeah, you too
[02:41] <rooney_> wie spreek Dutch
[02:41] <alt3rim> i don't know why the wiki doesn't mention it
[02:41] <Owl^> archangel_, :D
[02:41] <saik0> alt3rim, of course it did =)
[02:42] <alt3rim> it doesn't
[02:42] <archangel_> later Owl^
[02:42] <alt3rim> oh
[02:42] <Owl^> later arch
[02:42] <saik0> alt3rim, ffmpeg is nearing the end of it's life though =(
[02:42] <alt3rim> i see what you're saying
[02:42] <alt3rim> :)
[02:42] <alt3rim> that's ok, i only wanted a way to play xvid's in totem
[02:42] <alt3rim> i was confused about wether i need to install the xine version, or the xvid codec from xvid.org, i had no clue
[02:43] <rooney_> yes
[02:43] <saik0> wow, xorg and a bunch of libraries just got another update
[02:43] <saik0> I'm updating xorg almost dailiy it seems
[02:45] <saik0> I hope composite rendering will be hammered out enough to use soon
[02:52] <liran> does the new ubuntu released?
[02:52] <malte> does anyone know why nvidia.ko does not work? this is the error log: http://obbel.se/~malte/nvidia-installer.log
[02:52] <saik0> liran, not till April 8th last I heard
[02:53] <liran> ok
[02:53] <saik0> malte did you build that yourself or install from the repos?
[02:53] <liran> saik0: what would be the name of it or the version number
[02:53] <malte> saik0: i am trying to install it myself
[02:54] <malte> please take a look at the error msg
[02:54] <saik0> liran, 5.05 Hoary Hedgehog
[02:54] <liran> ok
[02:54] <liran> thanks saik9
[02:54] <liran> 0
[02:54] <saik0> malte, have you tried installing it with the repos...it's preety easy
[02:54] <malte> saik0: yeah, it didn`t work either
[02:55] <saik0> looking at the log, cant promise I can help though =\
[02:55] <malte> there seem to be a problem with different glx and kernel module versions
[02:55] <malte> saik0: ok, thanks. it does compile, but it won`t load
[02:55] <claint> i am doing a new install on an old machine now. no nvidia or sound.
[02:56] <claint> trying to find out what went wrong.
[02:56] <ghita> What meens this error? " /usr/local/bin/fusermount: unknown option -x
[02:56] <ghita> Try `/usr/local/bin/fusermount -h' for more information
[02:56] <ghita>  "
[02:56] <liran> blah
[02:56] <liran> where can i find ubuntu devs ?
[02:56] <liran> I really want ubuntu as dvd
[02:56] <saik0> malte, try removing the source package and installing the kernel headers
[02:57] <malte> saik0: hm? i installed the kernel from source, and as you can see it compiles
[02:58] <aquo> hi
[02:58] <phobosanger> how can I upgrade my priview Hoary version to full Hoary ?
[02:58] <saik0> malte, may have something to do with your kernel image not being the same as the source
[02:59] <saik0> phobosanger, apt-get update $$ apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:59] <phobosanger> i get lots of errors lik Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiverse Packages  Bad header line
[02:59] <aquo> i am using some preview hoary
[02:59] <malte> saik0: hm, ok. thanks
[03:00] <aquo> root@euler:/usr # /lib/ld-linux.so.2 /lib/libc.so.6
[03:00] <aquo> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1259: dl_main: Assertion `_rtld_local._dl_rtld_map.l_prev->l_next == _rtld_local._dl_rtld_map.l_next' failed!
[03:00] <aquo> may somebody check this on newer system?
[03:00] <phobosanger> and when i try to Dist-upgrade i get a message 0 package to upgare ...
[03:00] <waxhead> phobosanger, open a root shell and apt-get update
[03:00] <waxhead> then apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:00] <phobosanger> I have ...
[03:01] <saik0> phobosanger, they you are up to date =)
[03:01] <waxhead> phobosanger, so it would seem
[03:01] <phobosanger> but aptget update allways get stuck!!! i must Ctl+x to continue ...
[03:02] <phobosanger> and i know thy r not uptodate cuse i didn't upgrate for more then a week
[03:02] <waxhead> are you using the ubuntu repository for hoary?
[03:03] <phobosanger> what do u mean by repository?
[03:03] <claint> how do i really disable and ethX interface so it doesn't go through the bootup?
[03:03] <claint> an ethX^
[03:03] <waxhead> the debian repostory that has all the packages
[03:03] <waxhead> you can see this in /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:03] <phobosanger> yeah i add them waxhead
[03:04] <phobosanger> all the deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[03:05] <waxhead> phobosanger, that's your problem then
[03:05] <waxhead> that's an external repository
[03:05] <waxhead> who provides things that aren't supported in the core
[03:06] <phobosanger> i added this only for acrobat reader 7
[03:06] <waxhead> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe multiverse
[03:06] <waxhead> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe multiverse
[03:06] <phobosanger> can i remove them now ?
[03:06] <claint> anyone know where i put my module aliases in ubuntu?
[03:06] <waxhead> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security main restricted
[03:06] <waxhead> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security main restricted
[03:06] <waxhead> phobosanger, no, just add the lines in
[03:07] <waxhead> or at least make sure htey aren't commented out
[03:07] <waxhead> add the lines in, save the file and apt-get update
[03:08] <waxhead> claint, /etc/modules.conf?
[03:08] <waxhead> I think there's some debian way to do it though...
[03:08] <phobosanger> okay i m checking thanks
[03:08] <aquo> may somebody run /lib/ld-linux.so.2 /lib/libc.so.6 on his system
[03:09] <ewhitten> I have an amd64 box that only runs for about 5-10 mins. before it completely locks up.  this happens in every distro that I've tried.  I've also swapped out every piece of hardware in the box (aside from the motherboard and cpu).
[03:09] <phobosanger> waxhead,  i  have them only with US
[03:09] <ewhitten> (oh, and it's running Hoary)
[03:09] <phobosanger> e.g. deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[03:09] <aquo> ewhitten: so the cpu or the mainboard is broken
[03:09] <ska-fan> aquo: Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1259: dl_main: Assertion `_rtld_local._dl_rtld_map.l_prev->l_next == _rtld_local._dl_rtld_map.l_next' failed!
[03:10] <waxhead> phobosanger, that's fine... it's mirror
[03:10] <claint> waxhead: didn't recognize /etc/modules.conf for some reason. i will try again.
[03:10] <aquo> grml
[03:10] <Owl^> by the by, anyone have any idea how to change the default soundcard with alsa? I have two, and I'd want my integrated soundcard to be either the default or the first one, and the pci to be the secondary
[03:10] <aquo> waxhead: how do i get the maintainer information for ubuntu glibc?
[03:10] <ewhitten> aquo:  it actually runs fine in windows.
[03:11] <waxhead> aquo, I really don't know... hvae you tried synaptic and looking at the package details?
[03:11] <whiskers> does anybody know how to get gnome-baker 0.3 onto ubuntu hoary release
[03:11] <waxhead> dpgk might also help
[03:11] <waxhead> apt-cache showpkg might do it?
[03:12] <whiskers> i don't see gnome-baker 0.3 in synaptic
[03:12] <zenwhen> whiskers, it isnt.
[03:12] <whiskers> ok how do we get it there
[03:13] <zenwhen> for now we just get the ubuntu deb
[03:13] <Lena14> i have a problem.. i can throu lan, connect to my server with shh to my server and type sudo -s and get root.. byt my brother cant do the same via internet.. when he type sudo -s he gets a message "please try again".. why?
[03:13] <zenwhen> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeBaker
[03:13] <ruffian> Hi, is there a command like ipconfig in linux? that gives all the details about the network?
[03:13] <ruffian> e.g IP
[03:13] <whiskers> ok i will try....ubuntu looks nice...just installed it about 30 minutes ago
[03:13] <Lena14> ifconfig
[03:14] <Lena14> ruffian, ifconfig
[03:14] <Lena14> :)
[03:14] <ruffian> Lean14: Thank you :)
[03:14] <ska-fan> aquo: start to file a bug in ubuntu bugzilla about it; when you set the product, the assigned-to field is filled automatically.
[03:14] <Lena14> *weee, the forst i help* :D
[03:14] <ruffian> well you have to start somewhere :D
[03:14] <Lena14> =)
[03:14] <Lena14> but nobody did solve my problem :(
[03:14] <ruffian> what's your problem?
[03:15] <Lena14> i have a problem.. i can throu lan, connect to my server with shh and type sudo -s and get root.. byt my brother cant do the same via internet.. when he type sudo -s he gets a message "please try again".. why?
[03:15] <Slask3n> why cat i find my 250GB S-ATA HDD in Ubuntu? I found it in Mandrake and SuSE...
[03:15] <ruffian> Lean14: Have you tired su ?
[03:16] <Lena14> ya, ruffian, i think he have...
[03:16] <Lena14> and sudo -s work for me.. but not for him..
[03:16] <ruffian> Lean14: Also for remote login, did you specify a ip you can connect to?
[03:16] <ruffian> i mean from
[03:16] <Lena14> my brother could connect and use a account..
[03:17] <Lena14> ahhh... now i remember.. i can only get root from my account.. why?
[03:17] <whiskers> ok...got the deb build...what are the commands to install the binary file for hoary
[03:17] <ruffian> emmm
[03:18] <ruffian> i don't know much about remote connection...let me see if i can find something
[03:18] <Lena14> he has an account glupas, who he cant get root from.. but when he log into my acc, he can get rout throu that..
[03:18] <Lena14> okai! thx =)
[03:18] <thesamet> Anyone else experice mplayer crashes when playing ac3 encoded audio ?
[03:18] <claint> Lena14: his user is not authorized for sudo
[03:19] <helloyo> any easy way to set this machine to shutdown in say half an hour?
[03:19] <ruffian> Lena14: tired adding him to sudoers?
[03:19] <whiskers> zenwhen, i got the deb build...what are the commands to install the binary for hoary
[03:19] <claint> helloyo: you want it to shutdown in half an hour from now on?
[03:19] <ruffian> helloyo: have you tired shutdown -h 30 ?
[03:19] <claint> helloyo : use ruffian's advice.
[03:20] <fsapo> whiskers, you ve got the 4.10 ubuntu build?
[03:20] <zenwhen> whiskers, "sudo spkg -i "filename""
[03:20] <helloyo> ruffian, oh yeah, sorry, getting late here, was trying to work out how to use a sleep command followed by shutdown with sudo... but shutdown has it inbuilt, thanks (you too claint)
[03:20] <zenwhen> whiskers, "sudo dpkg -i "filename""
[03:20] <zenwhen> lol
[03:20] <whiskers> fsapo, how do i know...i just bot a bittorrent for hoary preview and installed it...have no idea what version
[03:21] <fsapo> hum.. so you ve got the 5.04 preview.. thats the lastest :)
[03:21] <ruffian> np
[03:21] <whiskers> fsapo, how can i tell
[03:21] <helloyo> once 5.04 goes gold how long until we get the cds? i live in australia, so if they even ship here it will be longer i guess....
[03:21] <claint> 5.04 release candidate is the latest. are they the same with the preview?
[03:22] <universal> someone knows about the starterbar in gdesklets?
[03:22] <fsapo> claint, i think it is.. but i m not sure
[03:22] <fsapo> claint, i ve upgraded to 5.04 with dist-upgrade from the 4.10 ver
[03:22] <whiskers> sure was easier to install than gentoo...but some flexibility loss i think..but overall impressive
[03:23] <fsapo> helloyo, isnt faster to just download it and burn? :D
[03:23] <sml> i just bought a new AMD64 TODAY ... and my graphics have failed :( I have tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. The little turning wheel appears, along with a flickering screen :(
[03:23] <zenwhen> whiskers, most of the options offered by cflags in gentoo are offered by add onpackages in ubuntu
[03:23] <claint> this old machine is pissing me off. the laptop was fine and dandy, this machine has an isa sound card and i dont know what it is.
[03:23] <zenwhen> such as gnome support for firefox and OO.O
[03:23] <helloyo> fsapo, yeah, i guess i'll have to, but i want pretty cds!
[03:24] <claint> helloyo : pretty cds are overrated.
[03:24] <sml> could some one please offer some ideas :(
[03:24] <saik0> claint, preety CDs are more likey to get your windows using friends to try linux afterall =P
[03:24] <claint> saik0 : got a point.
[03:25] <fsapo> helloyo,  :D i dont mind about pretty cds... in the end it pass to all my friend till somebody just make it vanish... i lost the count for how manys cds i ve lost this way :P
[03:25] <jono> hi all
[03:25] <helloyo> hehe
[03:25] <saik0> claint, I got a pack of 15 coming my way when they start shipping
[03:25] <claint> saik0 : they are shipping international right ?
[03:25] <aquo> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=207872
[03:25] <saik0> claint, yessir
[03:26] <claint> brb, switching to 686 kernel.
[03:26] <aquo> glibc version information is broken for debian too
[03:27] <fsapo> anybody here uses xorg with a radeon?
[03:27] <jono> any brits in here?
[03:27] <sml> fsapo - i just tried and failed :(
[03:27] <fsapo> my stupid 9800pro works with XFree86 but i cant get this stupid thing to work with xorg :(
[03:27] <mjg59> jono: Yes
[03:28] <bDerrly> how can i check the status of several packages at once?  i cannot start xorg because nvidia kernel doesn't match nvidia-glx but apt-get is saying they're both up to date
[03:28] <saik0> anybody know where shipit is based?
[03:28] <sml> hi guys .. can someone offer some quick help with a xorg problem ?
[03:28] <j-rock> saik0: my cd's shipped from switzerland
[03:28] <fsapo> i play ut2k4 fine in XFree86 but when i try xorg... no 3d support :(
[03:28] <jono> mjg59, I am looking to see if anyone wants to run an Ubuntu stand at LUGRadio Live
[03:28] <fsapo> and my abnt2 keyboard is bugged with XFree
[03:29] <j-rock> jono: you guys should make a special appearance across the pond in the US :)
[03:29] <mjg59> jono: Ha. I think I've spent too long looking after Debian stands to get sucked into that again :)
[03:29] <jono> j-rock, heh :)
[03:29] <jono> mjg59, thats a shame, are you coming anyway?
[03:29] <jono> its gonna be a fun day :)
[03:30] <Lena14> how do i add an sudo-authed user? (my brother have an acc, but he cant get sudo)
[03:31] <mjg59> jono: Ought to be - I'll see how busy I am nearer the time
[03:31] <black_Nightmare> <hates saturday again as usual
[03:31] <jono> mjg59, ok cool :)
[03:31] <black_Nightmare> always too quiet online lol
[03:31] <m-onkey> Lena14, you've a file /etc/sudoers
[03:33] <sml> could someone offer come very quick xorg help ... please ... just bought a new AMD64 and i cant get it working?
[03:33] <j-rock> sml: whats the problem
[03:33] <fsapo> sml, what the log says?
[03:34] <sml> thanks guys ... installed ubuntu and my screen just flickers although i can see the spinning wheel.
[03:34] <sml> i dont know the vert & horiz specs for my old 17" crt
[03:34] <sml> i tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-zorg
[03:34] <black_Nightmare> sml....can I suggest something?
[03:34] <robertj> sml: if you've got a spinning wheel I would think your refresh rates would be workable  at laset
[03:35] <j-rock> sml: does gdm ever come up?
[03:35] <sml> yes .. it is odd ... i get the wheel but the rest flickers and it doesn;t go any further
[03:35] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> hmm, i just updated today, now I'm wondering what the hell happened to my login screen :) I have some random guys doing the ubuntu logo at what appears to be a party
[03:35] <sml> no gdm tries to load, but stops at the spinning wheel and flickering background
[03:35] <black_Nightmare> sml -- try umm 1024x800 70Hz and see what happens?  just a quick thought
[03:36] <black_Nightmare> :p
[03:36] <robertj> sml: My next thought would be to kill gdm and run X
[03:36] <sml> ok .. ill try. i did try just an 800x600 thinking that would be easiest
[03:36] <black_Nightmare> well its a 17" so... sml :p
[03:36] <gambix> hi to all
[03:37] <sml> robertj - what do i use to start x - #startx
[03:37] <robertj> hehe, I can't wait for my new machine to get here ;)
[03:37] <robertj> sml: yeah or I think just plain old X
[03:37] <bosewicht> FM
[03:37] <sml> robertj - what did you buy?
[03:37] <gambix> i someone can help me?
[03:37] <gambix> about sound on ubuntu ?
[03:38] <robertj> sml: got money from work, dual 2.5 G5/1 gig/2x 19" Ultrasharps. Going to order an extra 200 gig hd and another gig of ram on Monday probably
[03:38] <n0mad5000> how to setup some dc client on ubuntu?
[03:38] <sml> robertj - are you running osx or ppc ubuntu?
[03:38] <robertj> both
[03:38] <sml> cool
[03:38] <robertj> I support OS X users so its good to have
[03:38] <sml> i am using an emac now
[03:38] <bosewicht> i really doubt it, but do any of you know where ndiswrapper is installed?
[03:38] <n0mad5000> dc client on ubuntu? anyone?
[03:39] <robertj> also AFAIK dual head doesn't work on the nv driver
[03:39] <sml> i like osx also - but linux should fly on my amd64 939
[03:39] <sml> and cheaper than upgrading the emac!
[03:39] <robertj> sml: emacs are a good deal, the mini has made them useless IMO unless you are deathly afraid of putting a mini in a lab and having the LCD vandalized
[03:39] <bosewicht> that is why ubuntu isn't going to go anywhere
[03:39] <munki> n0mad5000 , dc-gui i think, search for dc in synaptic
[03:39] <kbrooks> :O
[03:39] <robertj> sml: buy a Dell seriously, d00d
[03:39] <robertj> $575 with a 19" LCD
[03:40] <n0mad5000> munki: i insalled that... when i click on it.... it won't start
[03:40] <black_Nightmare> robertj...one thing...
[03:40] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> heh, dell...
[03:40] <robertj> black: ja?
[03:40] <black_Nightmare> the mini-mac .. WHERE is a pci or pcmcia at all?
[03:40] <whiskers> is there a synaptic build for gimpshop
[03:40] <sml> robertj .. a dell? too late just bought the amd64 a few hours ago!
[03:40] <emacsen> Is there a general guide to using Debian packages in Ubuntu?
[03:40] <munki> n0mad5000 , installed the backend too ?
[03:40] <robertj> sml: hehe, I understand the temptation
[03:40] <kbrooks> bosewicht, ubuntu is going to go SOMEWHERE. and as for where ndiswrapper is installed, do this:
[03:40] <robertj> sml: anyway, did you get X killed?
[03:40] <whiskers> zenwhen, is there a synaptic build for gimpshop
[03:40] <n0mad5000> munki: no
[03:40] <black_Nightmare> even the upcoming via nano-itx has vga+tv/out, mini-pci, and more onboard ;)
[03:40] <robertj> and restartd with just plain ol' X
[03:41] <kbrooks> find / -name ndiswrapper -exec echo {} \;
[03:41] <LordGrunt> hi. anyone else have such problem? : both konqueror and kcontrol crash in very ugly way, they block machine completely, no way to inspect the problem
[03:41] <zenwhen> whiskers, no.
[03:41] <kbrooks> @ bosewicht
[03:41] <LordGrunt> display just freezes
[03:41] <sml> robertj - no just the power button. the problem is i only have one keyboard, so i need to stop typing for a sec to try the other option
[03:41] <gambix> i've not sound on my via82 AC97 sound card
[03:41] <whiskers> zenwhen, well ubuntu really needs gimpshop
[03:41] <zenwhen> whiskers, ubuntu really needs gimp to stay the fuck how it is.
[03:41] <robertj> sml: kill X by pressing ctl+allt+backspace a few times
[03:41] <n0mad5000> munki: what backend should i install?
[03:42] <robertj> 5 kills in a minute and GDM won't restart it
[03:42] <robertj> then sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[03:42] <zenwhen> gimpshop is so new anyway
[03:42] <sml> robertj - what command do i use to start x or gdm with a certain resolution?
[03:42] <smouche> LordGrunt, konqueror (and kate) crash very freqeuntly for me, but not in as nasty a way as you're experiencing
[03:42] <whiskers> zenwhen, i think gimpshop looks nice as an alternative to gimp
[03:42] <zenwhen> and also opens us up for litigation
[03:42] <kbrooks> whiskers, wtf is gimpshop
[03:42] <robertj> sml: it will use the default, I just want to see if your config works okay with plain ol X
[03:42] <bosewicht> nope didn't work
[03:42] <n0mad5000> munki: ?
[03:42] <zenwhen> if adobe gets pissed about the total rip off of their UI and can do something in court
[03:42] <kbrooks> bosewicht, root or user?
[03:43] <robertj> then you can launch xcalc from this box and see if it appears
[03:43] <munki> n0mad5000 , tried dcgui-qt ?
[03:43] <bosewicht> root
[03:43] <whiskers> kbrooks, a $700 adobe photoshop for gimp system for free.
[03:43] <n0mad5000> munki: i'll try that
[03:43] <sml> robertj - thanks - will just switch over the keyboard and try
[03:43] <munki> n0mad5000 , dcgui works fine her, but I won't use it
[03:43] <kbrooks> bosewicht, strange
[03:43] <robertj> zenwhen: that actually would be a good case, the problem is Adobe's UI aint nothing special
[03:43] <munki> n0mad5000 , go into a term in execute it, see what goes wrong
[03:44] <robertj> zenwhen: GIMP needs to get its act together and feel out a Gnome 3 HIG with extra widgets to make things more managable
[03:44] <munki> in = and
[03:44] <karim> hi
[03:44] <smouche> I don't care for gimp's ui
[03:44] <kbrooks> can we drop the discussion?
[03:44] <kbrooks> ;)
[03:44] <jcd_> Hello. For info, I just setup an new french mirror : ftp://ftp.u-picardie.fr/pub/ubuntu Package and CD, ftp and http. The wiki is updated.
[03:45] <karim> I don't have my usb device automounting what must I do ?
[03:45] <zenwhen> robertj, I get things done well in the GIMP. I really hope they stay close to their current UI design.
[03:45] <karim> I am on powerpc
[03:45] <munki> kezz , * f~kezz (root@user-8041.l5.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk) has joined #f~#ubuntu <-- not a good idea login in as root
[03:45] <robertj> zenwhen: it's nigh unusable without more than a 19" monitor
[03:45] <kezz> munki, im on a windows box
[03:45] <munki> heh..
[03:45] <zenwhen> robertj, I have two 19's
[03:45] <zenwhen> :)
[03:45] <munki> kezz , sorry then ;)
[03:45] <robertj> I guess if you can run stand running more than 1280x1024 you would be okay, but still...
[03:45] <robertj> well it's not unusable, that's harsh, but its a pain
[03:46] <zenwhen> I suppose for people with smaller monitors it is a hassle
[03:46] <[liu] > hi
[03:46] <[liu] > I've got a stupid question: how to use artwiz fonts in gkrellm? I've googled about it but haven't found anything - these fonts aren't on list, and when I try to write just 'snap' or sth in configuration window it does nothing. what shall I do? :)
[03:46] <black_Nightmare> zen.or just disable the lesser tools you don't need? :p
[03:46] <kezz> munki, it got me banned from php tho :S
[03:46] <robertj> I think the real answer is one huge pallet with lots of outlook type sliders on the left and then a few customizable pallets on the right
[03:46] <karim> what must I  do to hav my removable device mounted automatically on plug ? The settings are ok, in storage properties
[03:46] <black_Nightmare> let me remind you that paper layouts were once done on just 9" screens .. alak compact macintosh's years ago
[03:46] <black_Nightmare> :p
[03:47] <karim> the device /dev/sda appears correctly when plugued though
[03:47] <robertj> karim: hrmm by default I think bulk media don't get automounted unless they are in fstab
[03:47] <robertj> although I think that can be turned off
[03:47] <karim> robertj, no it is
[03:48] <karim> robertj, it mounts on my ubuntu x86
[03:48] <smouche> merci, jcd_  -- moi, j'aime lire les wikis en francais, parce que dans cette facon j'ai l'illusion que mon absence de comprehension est fonction de mon ignorance de votre langue, pas de ordinateurs... ;-
[03:48] <robertj> karim: ohh
[03:48] <robertj> I think I ran into that, is this a firewire drive?
[03:48] <karim> no it's just usb
[03:48] <robertj> hrmm, I had an instance where usb worked but firewire would not and assumed sbp2 was still b0rk in the kernell
[03:48] <karim> the fire wire is broken I think on this mac
[03:49] <robertj> is mounted in /media/whatever
[03:49] <karim> usb works, the device appears, but the automount doesn't occur
[03:49] <karim> with pmount it's ok
[03:49] <jonathan_> hello everybody
[03:49] <black_Nightmare> hey jonathan
[03:49] <whiskers> zenwhen, adobe will never know if you just put it in synaptic and not on the install cd
[03:49] <jonathan_> I have a probleme with my ubuntu
[03:50] <jonathan_> I want to install lyx but I don't have mirror
[03:50] <LordGrunt> who doesnt...
[03:50] <smouche> does anyone else have a problem with smb-client seeming to randomly decide to demand a password from me to see my windows box, while most of the time it doesn't bother to?
[03:50] <echnaton> who to get totem to play every format??!
[03:50] <echnaton> how
[03:50] <[liu] > use xmms+mplayer ;)
[03:51] <LordGrunt> smouche: isnt that kdewallet problem?
[03:51] <smouche> badly worded-- maybe I should just say - is the smb client flaky?
[03:51] <smouche> kdewallet?
[03:51] <Lamber> bah, cant get tuxracer installed :(
[03:51] <echnaton> i want to use xine with frontend totem
[03:51] <sander> or install totem-xine from universe and put mplayer codecs in ~/.gnome2/totem-addons/
[03:51] <smouche> LordGrunt, maybe, but I had exactly the same problem with gnome
[03:51] <echnaton> but totem is allready included in ubuntu 5.04
[03:51] <echnaton> k i will try sander
[03:51] <[liu] > there is a howto about it
[03:52] <jonathan_> Where can i find a mirro to install lyx please
[03:52] <[liu] > at ubuntu forum ;)
[03:52] <black_Nightmare> lyx?
[03:52] <black_Nightmare> whats that
[03:52] <echnaton> where [liu]  ? !
[03:52] <whiskers> what kernel is in this version of ubuntu
[03:52] <smouche> and I've never configured anything in kdewallet.  Or set any passwords for the network.  Most of the time the lan just shows up, but sometimes gets temperemental
[03:52] <echnaton> 2.6.10*
[03:52] <[liu] > echnaton: wait a moment plz :)
[03:52] <echnaton> k
[03:53] <whiskers> oh crap...how are you going to get the dvd burner working on gnome-baker 0.3 with kernel 2.6.10
[03:53] <whiskers> is it possible?
[03:54] <jonathan_> lyx is a program for latex
[03:55] <black_Nightmare> ohh..no idea then sorry
[03:55] <black_Nightmare> try the universal repoitories maybe?
[03:55] <jonathan_> what's this ?
[03:55] <[liu] > echnaton: sorry, my mistake - it's only about mp3 :D
[03:56] <echnaton> i need it to
[03:56] <echnaton> o
[03:56] <[liu] > http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[03:56] <echnaton> [liu] : thank you
[03:56] <Lamber> why cant i "make install" when im trying to install tuxracer?
[03:57] <[liu] > g2g, cya :)
[03:57] <dockane> hi all ...  i often read in forums that people try to write scripts to automatically detect  the network they are in. (dhcp, subnet, etc) does anybody know if there is any package that can do this job or do i have to "reinvent" the wheel ?
[03:57] <echnaton> can totem use w32codes, when i try apt-get install w32codecs
[03:57] <echnaton> ?
[03:59] <djp> anyone know how long the april fool gmd will last?
[04:00] <makis> hi everyone
[04:00] <black_Nightmare> djp..umm.....its april 2? :p
[04:00] <djp> black_Nightmare: still there!
[04:01] <m0ns00n> Hey!
[04:01] <makis> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
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[04:01] <sander> i think gdm is reverted in the reposititories by now
[04:01] <m0ns00n> Apt is locking up somehow!
[04:01] <m0ns00n> :-)
[04:01] <m0ns00n> with capplets-data and some other things
[04:01] <m0ns00n> I need to do dpkg --configure -a all the time
[04:02] <m0ns00n> But it doesn't get further
[04:02] <djp> sander: i have tried an update but none available
[04:02] <whiskers> i will never buy another WD1200 hard drive again...lost all my gentoo stuff
[04:02] <djp> sander: running wart here
[04:02] <sander> djp: which version of GDM are you running ?
[04:02] <whiskers> the drive lasted less than 1 year
[04:02] <djp> sander: warty even!
[04:02] <zenwhen> western digital has always served me well
[04:02] <blueyed> Where do I setup the available refresh rates for the resolutions? gnome-display-properties (and xrandr) have only 60hz for 1600x1200 available.
[04:02] <black_Nightmare> blueyed...drop it one or two res lower?
[04:02] <makis> I tried to install firefox and received this:/firefox-installer-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:02] <black_Nightmare> should be able to show higher hz at these
[04:02] <whiskers> zenwhen, well i am trying this ubuntu on a WD 40 gig
[04:03] <whiskers> to see how long it lasts
[04:03] <makis> what is that my friends?
[04:03] <djp> sander: ubuntu warty 4.10, GMD, I don't know
[04:03] <blueyed> black_Nightmare, no, I want 1600x1200 and the monitor is capable..
[04:03] <whiskers> but the wd1200 lasted less than 1 year
[04:03] <black_Nightmare> blueeyed..then you'll have to live with that refresh
[04:03] <whiskers> and i lost a lot of lot of lot of work on gentoo
[04:03] <Lena14> the /etc/sudoers... where shall i type the users who shall get sudo-auth ?
[04:03] <sander> djp: check it in Synaptic. I am running Hoary, gdm 2.6.0.7-0ubuntu7, and my GDM reverted to normal this afternoon
[04:03] <blueyed> black_Nightmare, why that?
[04:04] <black_Nightmare> blueeyed...a known fact is -- higher res you go the lower refresh you get....because each time you go higher there's a lot more pixels to draw hence it slows down the refresh to let the card keep up with the job
[04:04] <mjr> blueyed, see /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or xorg.conf, the Monitor section, try setting your horizontal and vertical refresh rates manually (modern monitors should tell them to the X server via DDC automatically, though)
[04:04] <black_Nightmare> likewise 640x480 at 100Hz is about the same work as 800x600 80Hz for metaphor example
[04:04] <m-onkey> Lena14, my english's not the best, but if you've got some patient with me, I'll try to explain...
[04:05] <djp> sander: 2.6.0.3-1ubuntu20
[04:05] <Lena14> ok =)
[04:06] <sander> djp: hmmmm, I'm sorry. I meant the version of ubuntu-artwork
[04:06] <sander> djp: it should be reverted also for warty
[04:06] <sander> djp: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/warty-changes/2005-April/001637.html
[04:06] <blueyed> mjr, I have HorizSync 30-75 and VertRefresh 50-85 in there.. should I remove option "DPMS"?
[04:06] <kbrooks> http://kbrooks.dev.goppex.nick125.com/linux-pub/UbuntuDesktop.png
[04:06] <black_Nightmare> blueeyed...hope you understood what I was saying anyhow ;)  [no harm still] 
[04:07] <blueyed> no, black_Nightmare - don't understand the 100Hz-80Hz example.. I just want 85Hz for my eyes.
[04:08] <kbrooks> do you all like my theme? it fits in with teh sky
[04:08] <mjr> blueyed, no, just see the monitor manual for the correct values (if your monitor can do better, then those are most likely too low)
[04:08] <sander> kbrooks: very nice indeed
[04:08] <black_Nightmare> blueyed....if you want higher refresh you'll have to lower res
[04:08] <black_Nightmare> or get a card with more gpu power
[04:08] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> yeah I cant get 85Hz either, even though with mandrake 10.0 I can.. perhaps I should just copy over my XF86Config-4 from there
[04:08] <mjr> blueyed, or, if your monitor is modern, you might just try to comment the settings out and see if it's autodetected
[04:08] <blueyed> mjr, but there are no resolutions given.. just the rates.. and it states "85" there..
[04:08] <zenwhen> a better GPU isnt going to stretch the limitations of your monitor
[04:08] <blueyed> the Monitor section?
[04:09] <djp> sander: my ubuntu-artwork is 0.2.14.1-1, however even if i attempt an update with synaptic, it does not find an updates
[04:09] <mjr> blueyed, those values aren't supposed to be resolutions, but they do determine how high resolutions your monitor can do at how high refresh rates
[04:09] <black_Nightmare> zen....well yeah that but I was mainly saying about refresh vs res job for a card
[04:09] <blueyed> I've even used the monitor with 100Hz@1600x1200 before under windows, so this shouldn't be a problem.
[04:09] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> my mirror only updates occasionally, so I'll have to putup with the weird login screen for a while
[04:09] <black_Nightmare> zen..its true that the higher res you go the lower refreshes you can get unless you boost the gpu....right?
[04:10] <fsapo> kbrooks, it remember the default windows wallpaper... the telletubies stuff :)
[04:10] <mjr> blueyed, so input the correct values or try the autodetection thing
[04:10] <kbrooks> fsapo, heh
[04:11] <dabugas> hi
[04:11] <djp> sander: i attempt a default upgrade with synaptic. should i be using the smart upgrade?
[04:11] <exalted> hi, with the synaptix package manager, almost (since today all) each package that i want to remove from system requires to remove also "ubuntu-desktop". Is it normal?
[04:11] <fsapo> mjr, i have the same refresh problem... i cant get this stuff to work in 70hz in 1280x960
[04:11] <mjr> fsapo, well, see what I've said to blueyed then :)
[04:11] <sander> djp: I always use "Smart Upgrade". I'm not sure about this, but I can read from the ChangeLog that the revert was applied to warty-updates repository, try to add "deb http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-updates main restricted" to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:11] <dabugas> xmms (with oss) fails to open /dev/dsp. i am _fairly_ certainly i didn't do anything. what gives?
[04:11] <zenwhen> exalted, are you using any backports?
[04:12] <exalted> zenrox, just default repositories
[04:12] <fsapo> mjr, i ve already tried that... doesnt work =[
[04:12] <fsapo> so i using 1152x864 :(
[04:12] <exalted> zenrox, including security ones.
[04:12] <black_Nightmare> when I got my pc up.. 1200x1024 only wanted to work at 60Hz but as soon as I drop it to 1140x9?? [something like that]  it suddenly offered 70Hz so... my gpu vs res/refresh stands already
[04:12] <black_Nightmare> :p
[04:12] <LordGrunt> dabugas: another app uses sound?
[04:12] <mjr> fsapo, well, then I'm outta suggestions. Except, of course, "overclocking" your monitor, but that you do on your own risk ;)
[04:12] <kbrooks> I want a bootsplash?
[04:12] <kbrooks> s/\?/!/
[04:12] <black_Nightmare> mjr..or alak the stupid old suggestion: go one res lower...jeeze lol
[04:13] <phosphorgreen> you can get bootsplashes
[04:13] <black_Nightmare> sometimes I wonder why people make it more difficult
[04:13] <phosphorgreen> grub in hoary supports it
[04:13] <fsapo> mjr, my monitor worked in windows @ 1280x960@70hz
[04:13] <fsapo> mjr, but here i cant get more than 60hz =/
[04:13] <dabugas> LordGrunt: allegedly my gnome session starts esd. but that doesn't seem to be happening either. no other app is running with sound and no other app in general produces sound
[04:13] <kbrooks> phosphorgreen, ummm.
[04:13] <phosphorgreen> anyone know how to switch off spatial browsing in 2.10
[04:13] <fsapo> mjr, ubuntu booted with 1280x1024@60hz
[04:13] <kbrooks> phosphorgreen, how!
[04:13] <dabugas> LordGrunt: when i said it can't open /dev/dsp i actually meant it can't find it :)
[04:13] <LordGrunt> fsapo: edit xorg.conf and change refresh rates for your monitor. look for specs at google
[04:14] <phosphorgreen> google for splashimage hoary grub and you should find a website that has the info kbrooks
[04:14] <mjr> fsapo, well, it simply may be that X is playing safer than the Windows driver, and if indeed the monitor can deal with it, you might try increasing the refresh rates a bit at a time, but again, at your own risk :)
[04:14] <fsapo> LordGrunt, already did that.. is still goes 60hz
[04:14] <dabugas> LordGrunt: the question really is, how do i create it, and why was it erased?
[04:14] <blueyed> I guess I cannot restart X without closing the running apps?
[04:14] <LordGrunt> dabugas: yep, when something uses it, else apps wont find it
[04:14] <Lightboy> hey all
[04:14] <Lightboy> um
[04:14] <LordGrunt> dabugas: create what?
[04:14] <Lena14> i did edit the /etc/sudoers and now i cant type either sudo -s or su... what shall i do? :(
[04:15] <dabugas> LordGrunt: /dev/dsp?
[04:15] <Lightboy> if we wanted to help like for the amd64 version of warty what would i need to know or b able to do?
[04:15] <Lightboy> i mean hoary
[04:15] <xukun> I just installed downloaded and installed ubuntu hoary on my laptop, ist possible to install older nvidia driver version? becouse my lapttops video card doesnt work with 6629 drivers version or newer
[04:15] <phosphorgreen> basically you put a xpm.gz file into an images folder within /boot/grub and set the splashimage setting in menu.lst
[04:15] <phosphorgreen> you can get bootsplashes /
[04:15] <whiskers> is there a sound file on hoary anywhere to test the installations ability to set up alsa
[04:15] <phosphorgreen> anyone know how to switch off spatial browsing in 2.10???
[04:15] <whiskers> i have no idea if alsa was set up or not
[04:15] <exalted> zenrox, any idea?
[04:16] <LordGrunt> dabugas: as i told you, it will create self when no other app will use sound. i have same problems. cant use 2 sources of sound at once
[04:16] <djp> sander: the wart-updates repo is not a "break my ubuntu" repo is it?
[04:16] <whiskers> phosphorgreen, well i switched off spatial on gentoo with the gconf-editor
[04:16] <xukun> anybody?
[04:16] <dabugas> LordGrunt: but i am NOT trying to use 2 apps :)
[04:16] <whiskers> phosphorgreen, but i don't know anything about ubuntu...just now looking at it
[04:16] <sander> djp: the -updates repository is for major, but not security related, package upgraded. So it should be completely safe for every user to include this repository
[04:17] <djp> sander: thanks
[04:17] <fsapo> somebody could do me a favor? i m trying to gent the rates with this: http://www.sh.nu/nvidia/gtf.php
[04:17] <dcahrakos> does anyone know a good partition tool?
[04:17] <fsapo> but it isnt showing anything
[04:17] <dcahrakos> does anyone know a good partition tool?
[04:17] <Mr-Petah> hi all
[04:17] <xukun> bob2`, are you around?
[04:17] <fsapo> somebody could put there 1280x960 70hz for me and show me the results?
[04:17] <dcahrakos> oops, didnt mean to ask twice
[04:18] <roo_> dcahrakos, gparted ?
[04:18] <black_Nightmare> fsapo...sorry not me... mointor already maxxed out as ubuntu specified
[04:18] <roo_> dcahrakos, its a gtk frontend to GNU parted
[04:18] <kbrooks> now for a test reboot
[04:18] <xukun> where are all the good guys when u reed them? ;)
[04:18] <black_Nightmare> had to use damn mointor controls to bring the screen into view as some of it went off the sides :|
[04:18] <whiskers> how do we install kernel 2.6.7 on this hoary
[04:18] <libben> why cant i play mpg files directly? i have updated the whole system... isnt there codecs for mpg files =)
[04:19] <dcahrakos> sorry, I should have specified, I need one so I can make a partition to install ubuntu
[04:19] <fsapo> i just want to know the required horizontal and vertical sync ?(
[04:19] <whiskers> i know i can make that kernel work
[04:20] <SiRrUs> whiskers whats wrong with the new kernel
[04:20] <black_Nightmare> fsapo..I could tell you one at 1140x868 if you want
[04:20] <robertj> does zeroconf play nice with hoary?
[04:20] <dabugas> i think that somehow i've erased the soundcard module. how do i put it back?
[04:21] <whiskers> SiRrUs, well i was trying the 2.6.10 on gentoo for awhile but i never could get dvd burning proper on k3b so i had to go back to 2.6.7
[04:21] <fsapo> black_Nightmare, thanx.. but i m already using 1158x
[04:21] <fsapo> black_Nightmare, i want to use 1280x960 :(
[04:21] <whiskers> SiRrUs, now gnome-baker0.3 can burn dvds but uh...i think i need 2.6.7
[04:21] <SiRrUs> whiskers have you tried graveman
[04:21] <whiskers> as far as i know at this time
[04:22] <Lena14> i did edit the /etc/sudoers and now i cant type either sudo -s or su... what shall i do? :(
[04:22] <kbrooks> tested the grub screen, worked
[04:22] <kbrooks> i want a REAL bootsplash
[04:23] <black_Nightmare> well anyhow I'm going off now so bye :p
[04:23] <zenwhen> kbrooks, does scrolling white text offend you?
[04:24] <zenwhen> and why would someone need to reboot a Linux machine often enough to care about a bootsplash? ;)
[04:24] <Cspnico> re
[04:24] <binbrain> anybody have an issue with monodevelop on Warty PPC
[04:25] <Lightboy> boot splashes are fun...
[04:25] <kbrooks> zenwhen, no, but i want other people to bootmy comp up, press enter, and *bang* see a splash
[04:25] <Lightboy> its more fun trying to get the splash when u login to change
[04:26] <whiskers> SiRrUs, no i have not tried it....is it in synaptic
[04:26] <SiRrUs> yes
[04:26] <Lightboy> ahh
[04:26] <whiskers> lets see if it will work with 2.6.10
[04:26] <Lightboy> yeah no thats sorta what i know how to do
[04:26] <Lightboy> cept when i did it it kinda went.. uhh im gonna put some random colours here when u try log out
[04:27] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> woohoo, i finally have 85Hz refresh
[04:27] <Lena14> i did edit the /etc/sudoers and now i cant type either sudo -s or su... what shall i do? :(
[04:27] <whiskers> SiRrUs, what section is it under in synaptic
[04:27] <SiRrUs> just do a search for graveman
[04:28] <kbrooks> anyone?
[04:28] <kbrooks> zenwhen, be helpful
[04:28] <whiskers> SiRrUs, search doesn't seem to work
[04:28] <SiRrUs> whiskers you running hoary?
[04:29] <whiskers> i have no idea...just some preview torrent
[04:29] <SiRrUs> :)
[04:29] <zenwhen> be helpful?
[04:29] <zenwhen> theres no bootsplash for ubuntu right now
[04:29] <zenwhen> what can i help you with
[04:29] <SiRrUs> did it come with the 2.6.10 kernel
[04:30] <whiskers> let me see i could do a dmesg and try to get kernel version if that will help identify anything
[04:30] <SiRrUs> or a uname
[04:30] <zenwhen> well at least not one i know of
[04:30] <rdoursenaud> Hello there
[04:30] <SiRrUs> oops uname -r
[04:30] <whiskers> dmesg says kernel 2.6.10-4....so what version of hoary is this
[04:31] <SiRrUs> thats hoary
[04:31] <whiskers> SiRrUs, well search does not work...do you know which branch graveman is in
[04:31] <SiRrUs> update your repositories
[04:32] <whiskers> SiRrUs, how do you do that
[04:32] <SiRrUs> and no i dont know what branch updating your repositories will get it for you tho
[04:33] <rdoursenaud> If anyone knows how to submit a GDM greeter theme to the ubuntu team, please tell me (And sorry for the buzz...)
[04:33] <theine> whiskers: open up synaptic and hit 'Reload'
[04:33] <SiRrUs> if you like synaptic >>>> open it go to settings>>>repositories>>>add  and select all of them
[04:34] <whiskers> there is a lot crap in repository button of synaptic...binaries, sources, etc...what is all that
[04:34] <theine> it's not crap
[04:34] <SiRrUs> :)
[04:34] <whiskers> ok...not crap...confusions
[04:34] <theine> whiskers: you probably won't need any sources
[04:34] <kbrooks> wtf
[04:35] <whiskers> well ok i will try the cd hoary binary and see what happens
[04:35] <theine> whiskers: you'll try what?
[04:35] <SiRrUs> lead a horse to water but cant make the horse drink :)
[04:36] <whiskers> it is downloading a lot of files...have no idea what is going on
[04:36] <theine> whiskers: relax, you'll get the hang of it eventually
[04:36] <kbrooks> what group do i put 'nicole' in so that she can use the sysadmin apps?
[04:36] <smokinggun> I want to remove the apm package with Synaptic but when I choose to remove it it also wants to remove the ubuntu desktop.  How do I just remove the apm package?
[04:36] <whiskers> nope still search does not find graveman
[04:36] <kbrooks> wheel
[04:36] <kbrooks> ?
[04:36] <kbrooks> i dont see wheel.
[04:36] <theine> whiskers: alright, do as i say...
[04:37] <theine> whiskers: go to settings -> repositories
[04:37] <roo_> kbrooks, "admin"
[04:37] <whiskers> theine, ok so far so good
[04:37] <theine> whiskers: describe what you see
[04:37] <whiskers> lots of choices sources binaries securities
[04:38] <theine> whiskers: how many, four?
[04:38] <theine> whiskers: 2 binary, 2 sources?
[04:38] <whiskers> 6
[04:38] <WillCooke> Hello all.
[04:38] <whiskers> 4 binaries 2 sources
[04:39] <smokinggun> I want to remove the apm package with Synaptic but when I choose to remove it it also wants to remove the ubuntu desktop.  How do I just remove the apm package?
[04:39] <theine> whiskers: what are the names of the 4 binaries? Ubuntu Hoary Hedgehog, Ubuntu Security Updates, and?
[04:39] <whiskers> theine, yes
[04:39] <theine> whiskers: what are the other 2?
[04:39] <whiskers> cd and  not cd
[04:39] <theine> whiskers: ok, delete the 2 CD repos
[04:39] <WillCooke> Just replaced by ATI vid card with a nvidia one.  What a difference!  Anyone with an ATI card, I recommend you go and buy a cheapo nvidia one, e.g. anything based on a 5200 for approx 30GBP. Much much better speed
[04:40] <whiskers> ok only 1 cd
[04:40] <whiskers> i deleted it
[04:40] <roo_> WillCooke, yep, unless ur a poor soul running a laptop with an ati chipset
[04:40] <theine> whiskers: delete both cd repos
[04:40] <whiskers> there are two hoary binaries...are they the same
[04:40] <kbrooks> i have a question
[04:40] <theine> whiskers: no
[04:40] <WillCooke> roo_ Bummer!  You're a bit stuck there! ;)
[04:40] <theine> whiskers: one is only security updates
[04:40] <xukun> is there anybody who can tell me if its possible to install the nvidia 6111 driver on just newely installed hoary?
[04:41] <roo_> WillCooke, im not much of a gamer, but i still require opengl for some stuff :(
[04:41] <kbrooks> what is the syntax to let a specific group su in
[04:41] <kbrooks> sudo
[04:41] <theine> whiskers: so now you're left with 2 binary repos, right?
[04:41] <smokinggun> kbrooks: add them to the sudoers file in etc
[04:41] <whiskers> theine, no 3....two hoary binaries and 1 hoary security binary
[04:41] <kbrooks> e.g. if this user is in that group, then the user is allowed to sudo?
[04:41] <WillCooke> roo_, Same here, I don't play games on my computer, I've got a console for that.  OpenGL is very handy, and mplayer can make use of the card as well
[04:42] <kbrooks> smokinggun, i hve it open! what is the syntax
[04:42] <theine> whiskers: what are the names of the first 2?
[04:42] <WillCooke> xukun, Why version 6111?
[04:42] <Slask3n> why cat i find my 250GB S-ATA HDD in Ubuntu? I found it in Mandrake and SuSE...
[04:42] <theine> whiskers: the non-security ones?
[04:42] <Slask3n> cant*
[04:42] <smokinggun> kbrooks: it should have a user listed
[04:42] <robertj> warty, hoary?
[04:42] <whiskers> the first two are hoary hedgehog 5.04 binary and sources
[04:42] <roo_> WillCooke, i hear ya mate, i did have DRI/3D working under Gentoo but it involved some serious hackery-pokery which I havent been arsed with in Ubu yet.
[04:42] <kbrooks> Slask3n, because hard drives are not automatically mounted
[04:42] <kbrooks> " kyle	ALL=(ALL) ALL "
[04:42] <theine> whiskers: you can delete the sources one as well
[04:42] <Slask3n> kbrooks: i mounted it in the setup...
[04:43] <whiskers> theine, ok i will
[04:43] <theine> whiskers: so you now have 2 repositories alltogether?
[04:43] <kbrooks> Slask3n, setup a shortcut, then.
[04:43] <WillCooke> slask3m, have a look in /dev/evms
[04:43] <smokinggun> kbrooks: ok pick the user you want and add this line user    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[04:44] <whiskers> i have 3....two hoary binaries and 1 hoary security
[04:44] <smokinggun> kbrooks: then that user should be able to sudo root
[04:44] <kbrooks> smokinggun, and group, is the syntax the same but with a %group
[04:44] <whiskers> no more sources
[04:44] <andrewski> does Xorg freeze (occasionally) for anyone else while using evolution?
[04:44] <Slask3n> kbrooks, willcooke: ok, but i am going to install the hoary rc now anyway, so i can fix it there i guess...
[04:45] <theine> whiskers: do you notice any difference between the two hoary binaries?
[04:45] <whiskers> theine, no they look the same as far as i can tell
[04:45] <xukun> WillCooke, I now it sounds silly but from experience if I install the the 6629 driver or the new nvidia version my screen breaks in to two parts. it has something to do with my laptop and my video card which doesnt work with the new drivers
[04:45] <smokinggun> kbrooks: I dont follow
[04:45] <theine> whiskers: alright, delete one of them
[04:45] <whiskers> theine, ok
[04:45] <sesh> hi guys
[04:45] <Slask3n> its 5. april the Hoary gets released isnt it?
[04:45] <whiskers> ok i have 2 binaries left
[04:46] <theine> whiskers: ok, so now you have one hoary binary and one security updates binary, right?
[04:46] <whiskers> yes
[04:46] <theine> whiskers: nothing else?
[04:46] <whiskers> and it downloaded 8 files
[04:46] <libben> can i typ rm *.* in /tmp without worry?
[04:46] <sesh> i've got a problem with mounting my other partitions.. i've got them mounted thru fstab but not able access the folder.. how do i get nautilus to open the folders as sudo or root?
[04:46] <theine> whiskers: wait, we're not done yet...
[04:46] <whiskers> theine, ok...what next
[04:46] <SiRrUs> :)
[04:46] <kbrooks> libben, yes and no
[04:46] <theine> whiskers: so far we just removed stuff you won't need...
[04:47] <whiskers> theine, ok fines
[04:47] <whiskers> fine
[04:47] <smokinggun> libben: if youre running x probably no
[04:47] <theine> whiskers: go back to settings -> repositories
[04:47] <xukun> WillCooke, so the only driver that works for me is the 6111 version
[04:47] <whiskers> ok i did
[04:47] <kbrooks> libben, you may rm -rf /tmp/* ONLY when you are out of X
[04:47] <solidape> quick q from a newbie: how do i reconfigure locale settings? dpkg-reconfigure *******?
[04:47] <andrewski> libben: in which case, i think you could exit X and do it safely. :)
[04:48] <theine> whiskers: what's written in small letters below "Hoary Hedgehog" and "Security Updates"?
[04:48] <whiskers> officially supported restricted copyright
[04:48] <smokinggun> I want to remove the apm package with Synaptic but when I choose to remove it it also wants to remove the ubuntu desktop.  How do I just remove the apm package?
[04:48] <theine> whiskers: Just "Officially supported" and "Restricted copyright"?
[04:48] <whiskers> theine, yes that is all i see
[04:48] <theine> whiskers: alright, select the Hoary binary repo
[04:49] <theine> whiskers: and then click on "Edit"
[04:49] <whiskers> ok
[04:49] <libben> ok, if i let /tmp be... how long will it be there before it gets empty.... i have alot of 20 megs movie files in there
[04:49] <whiskers> ok goes to us archives
[04:49] <solidape> quick q from a newbie: how do i reconfigure locale settings? dpkg-reconfigure *******?
[04:49] <theine> whiskers: what do you see under sections?
[04:49] <libben> and i can remove them by hand sure... but does /tmp gets cleaned?
[04:49] <jjpmr52> sa
[04:50] <kbrooks> libben, depends
[04:50] <whiskers> main restricted
[04:50] <theine> whiskers: ok, replace "main restricted" with "main restricted universe multiverse"
[04:50] <smokinggun> Can anyone help with a quick Syanptic problem?
[04:50] <andrewski> smokinggun: ask away.
[04:50] <theine> whiskers: and then hit "OK"
[04:50] <whiskers> ok i did
[04:50] <smokinggun> I want to remove the apm package with Synaptic but when I choose to remove it it also wants to remove the ubuntu desktop.  How do I just remove the apm package?
[04:50] <andrewski> anyone using evolution on hoary?
[04:51] <theine> whiskers: now do exactly the same for the Security updates binary repo
[04:51] <libben> I mean.. will /tmp get empty on every reboot? or will tmp just fill up with alot of crap?
[04:51] <crimsun> libben: it's cleaned every boot
[04:52] <theine> whiskers: got it?
[04:52] <whiskers> ok this time downloaded 12 files...don't know what they were
[04:52] <smokinggun> andrewski: any ideas?
[04:52] <theine> whiskers: sounds good, now search for graveman
[04:53] <libben> hmm... 46 new updates... update notifier dont take packs from m,universe?
[04:53] <hybrid_> what is cvs?
[04:53] <whiskers> theine, yes it found it
[04:53] <jjpmr52> s
[04:53] <smokinggun> hybrid_:cuncurrent versioning system
[04:53] <theine> whiskers: congratulations!
[04:53] <andrewski> smokinggun: ubuntu-desktop has a lot of dependencies, but it's safe to remove.  installing it will pull in "all the packages you need to have a nice desktop".
[04:53] <kkathman> hybrid_, cvs is usually used by developers to check in and check out source
[04:53] <jjpmr52> s
[04:53] <xukun> which one is the kernel-headers matching my current kernel version?
[04:53] <whiskers> ok i marked for installation...what next
[04:53] <smokinggun> andrewski: ok but say I want to remove something else that has a depency issue then what?
[04:54] <theine> whiskers: Hit "Apply"
[04:54] <libben> andrewski, but sometimes u want to remove a program... say like gnome bittorrent... then it will say it will uninstall ubuntu-desktop
[04:54] <libben> is it safe to remove the ubunt-desktop then?
[04:54] <kkathman> hybrid_, There is a very good CVS for the KDE environment called cervisia
[04:54] <whiskers> ok it is going to install a new cdrdao along with usual gentoo files
[04:54] <smokinggun> andrewski: I want to remove apm but not the ubuntu-desktop package is that possible?
[04:54] <libben> will i not have the awsome powers for my desktop then?
[04:55] <theine> whiskers: what gentoo files?
[04:55] <andrewski> smokinggun: no, but ubuntu-desktop doesn't give you anything but other packages.
[04:55] <whiskers> theine, the usual stuff....libflac,sox,etc
[04:55] <hybrid_> kkatham : but what is cvs
[04:55] <andrewski> smokinggun: so, if you just uninstalled it, there'd be no changes to your system.
[04:55] <theine> whiskers: ok, install all that
[04:55] <andrewski> libben: bittorrent?
[04:55] <whiskers> theine, ok i did
[04:55] <EvilIdler> smokinggun: ubuntu-desktop is a meta-package that only depends on things to make installation easy
[04:56] <whiskers> do i need to build a menu for graveman
[04:56] <theine> whiskers: no, it's under Applications -> Acessoires
[04:56] <libben> gnome bittorrent. if i wanna remove that... it will tell me that i need to remove ubuntu-desktop
[04:56] <xukun> it seems that I,m asking the wrong quations, becouse sadly enough I get no answers
[04:56] <kbrooks> xukun, ask them.....again
[04:56] <whiskers> theine, hey it built its own menu entry...how did it do that?
[04:56] <theine> whiskers: maybe you need to log oit of gnome and log in again so that it appears
[04:57] <kkathman> hybrid_, When say several people are working on a project, such as a web site, a cvs system allows you to work on a program by checking it in and out of a source vault. It tracks changes, when and who makes them, and locks the source when someone is working on it
[04:57] <whiskers> no it is there and it is up...
[04:57] <theine> whiskers: Gnome's smart...
[04:57] <jjpmr52> s
[04:57] <xukun> kbrooks,  which one is the kernel-headers matching my current kernel version?
[04:57] <EvilIdler> xukun: apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` might work
[04:57] <whiskers> ok it detects the hp200 dvd burner ok
[04:57] <theine> whiskers: By the way, when you click on "status" in synaptic, are there any upgradable packages?
[04:57] <resiak> libben: ubuntu-desktop is (afaik) only a metapackage. You can remove it without ill effect.
[04:57] <kkathman> hybrid_, I've heard 2 acronyms for CVS, Concurrent versioning System, and Content Validation/Verification System
[04:58] <hybrid_> kkatham : so it is like bug fixes?
[04:58] <jjpmr52> s
[04:58] <libben> ok. so its just a dummy pack =)
[04:58] <smokinggun> ok say I want to remove dash, it then also wants to remove the Ubuntu base!
[04:58] <libben> hmm... should i install the 46 new updates that just popped up?
[04:58] <EvilIdler> Concurrent is the "most correct" one. Seems it's just like DVD, which no longer is an acronym :)
[04:58] <andrewski> libben: yes, that's what i was saying. :)
[04:58] <jjpmr52> s
[04:58] <andrewski> libben: 46 new ones from updating?
[04:58] <hybrid_> kkatman : so it is like bug fixes?
[04:59] <libben> from update notifier
[04:59] <hybrid_> kkathman : so it is like bug fixes?
[04:59] <andrewski> smokinggun: ubuntu-base is also a dummy package.
[04:59] <hybrid_> srry couldnt get your name right srry
[04:59] <kkathman> hybrid_, no, not really. What it does is catalog all the source programs and keeps developers from stepping on each others toes. It also keeps up with the people fixing bugs in a program by allowing documentation and versioning.
[04:59] <libben> f*ck im supposed to have dinner... not dressed even.... bbl
[04:59] <EvilIdler> hybrid_: CVS is a method of storing source code as you improve it, meaning you can have several people work on it at the same time, plus go back a version when you make a poo-poo
[05:00] <xukun> EvilIdler, then I get Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[05:00] <whiskers> theine, lots of upgradable packages
[05:00] <smokinggun> ok say I want to remove initrd-tools?
[05:00] <theine> whiskers: I'd suggest you apgrade all of them
[05:00] <andrewski> smokinggun: dunno, what's it say?
[05:00] <theine> whiskers: Click "Mark All Upgrades" and hit "Apply"
[05:00] <smokinggun> andrewski: that's another one that dash wants to remove as well
[05:00] <username> in ubuntu is it possible to burn a dvd iso?
[05:00] <EvilIdler> xukun: That's strange. It's a valid name, and that SHOULD be the default Hoary kernel..
[05:00] <kkathman> hybrid_,  say you and I are working on a web site. And you find an error in one of the pages. Within the CVS you would check out the source, fix the page, then check it back it. The CVS logs that you made the change, and locks the program while you are fixing it so I cant make a change at the same time to that program.
[05:00] <andrewski> smokinggun: then go for it.  or don't remove dash.  it's up to you.
[05:01] <hybrid_> kkathman : EvilIdler: so i could work on a project and so could you and we track the changes of the source eachother does on the project?
[05:01] <fsapo> xukun, try www.kernel.org :)
[05:01] <EvilIdler> xukun: do an "apt-cache search kernel-headers"
[05:01] <kkathman> hybrid_, Yes exactly
[05:01] <EvilIdler> hybrid_: That's right.
[05:01] <hybrid_> ok i c thank you
[05:01] <whiskers> theine, ok we will try but it is downloading 352 packages
[05:01] <whiskers> with smart upgrade
[05:01] <xukun> apt-cache search kernel-headers
[05:01] <xukun> linux-kernel-headers - Linux Kernel Headers for development
[05:01] <xukun> kernel-package - A utility for building Linux kernel related Debian packages.
[05:01] <theine> whiskers: Don't worry, it'll be fine
[05:01] <theine> whiskers: It'll be better I should say...
[05:02] <EvilIdler> hybrid_: CVS will try to guess what to do when two developers work on the same file, and just spit out the difference for them to fix if it can't. It simplifies some things, but makes a mess at times :)
[05:02] <username> obviously not
[05:02] <roo_> EvilIdler, cvs sucks :)
[05:02] <kkathman> I know this is rudimentary, but can someone explain what an RPM is and how I would use it?
[05:02] <whiskers> theine, well i just want to get the dvd burner working again...i really liked it on gentoo with k3b
[05:02] <EvilIdler> robin_: I prefer SVN myself
[05:02] <roo_> :)
[05:02] <resiak> kkathman: You wouldn't on Ubuntu.
[05:02] <hybrid_> EvilIdler: lol
[05:02] <fsapo> whiskers, i ve done it.. and it really works :) i m with all the hoary packages installed... but i have th 4.10 ubuntu's release :)
[05:02] <whiskers> and i want to get the epson mfc working again...i liked that too on gentoo
[05:02] <EvilIdler> If you're a programmer who hasn't ever used CVS for your own projects..don't start now :)
[05:03] <kkathman> resiak, there is a program called gimpshop, a Photoshop knock off, and I'd like to use it, but its only available as an RPM
[05:03] <hybrid_> kkathman it is like .deb but for redhat
[05:03] <theine> whiskers: It's just an advice, you can also stay with the non-up-to-date packages of course
[05:03] <resiak> kkathman: Why not just use GIMP?
[05:03] <xukun> EvilIdler,   kernel-package - A utility for building Linux kernel related Debian packages.
[05:03] <whiskers> theine, no we are going to try
[05:03] <roo_> kkathman, there must be a tar.gz release too... surely?
[05:03] <xukun> EvilIdler, apt-cache search kernel-headers
[05:03] <xukun> linux-kernel-headers - Linux Kernel Headers for development
[05:03] <xukun> kernel-package - A utility for building Linux kernel related Debian packages.
[05:03] <theine> whiskers: It's more likely to get things working with the newest packages...
[05:03] <whiskers> theine, if anything goes wrong  i can always repartition and reinstall
[05:03] <EvilIdler> xukun: You will want that one if you don't have it, but can you see version numbers for the kernel-headers packages?
[05:03] <hybrid_> kkathman it is best to not use it on ubuntu because it is not native aand may over write the dpkg system
[05:03] <kkathman> resiak, well, the GIMPshop is a hack of GIMP to look and feel more like PS of which Im very familiar
[05:03] <theine> whiskers: won't be necessary
[05:04] <resiak> kkathman: I know what it is. The GIMP's not that hard to get used to...
[05:04] <woodwizzle> is there anyway toget the gimp 2.2.4 in ubuntu?
[05:04] <kkathman> roo_, I'll see if I can find one, but I keep running into this RPM :(
[05:04] <whiskers> yes i reallly like gimp scanner with libusb on epson mfc
[05:04] <EvilIdler> I don't like the interfaces for Photoshop OR the GIMP, but the GIMP at least gets what I need done
[05:04] <hybrid_> kkathman can you play with the source?
[05:04] <kkathman> hybrid_, uh no
[05:04] <whiskers> but i had to set manually on gentoo..i don't know if hoary is automatic
[05:04] <roo_> kkathman, there is a source tarball (tarball is X.tar.gz or X.tar.bz2) available for gimpshop
[05:04] <hybrid_> kkathman oh
[05:05] <kkathman> roo_, do you have a link for that?
[05:05] <EvilIdler> Is there a bounty for building the gimpshop debs? Maybe it'll motivate me :P
[05:05] <roo_> kkathman, http://videos.thebroken.org/vids/GIMPshop-source-2.2.4.tbz
[05:05] <kkathman> thank you very much sir
[05:05] <puckman> Good afternoon.
[05:05] <puckman> Does anyone here know how to get sound working on a dell 3500?
[05:05] <puckman> I searched the net but could not find much.
[05:06] <roo_> kkathman, im not sure if thats correct, i found it by googling -- so can u :)
[05:06] <andrewski> woodwizzle: chances are good it'll be in hoary soon, but i don't really know. :)
[05:06] <puckman> hoary is very nice!
[05:06] <hybrid_> kkathman platicbugs.com has the link
[05:06] <kkathman> roo_, I guess I missed that one
[05:06] <roo_> kkathman, :)
[05:07] <kerskine> Hi - the software updater says a number of packages can't be authenticated.  Is this a temporary problem, or did the signing key get updated?
[05:07] <xukun> EvilIdler,  apt-cache show linux-kernel-headersArchitecture: i386
[05:07] <xukun> Version: 2.5.999-test7-bk-17
[05:07] <kkathman> roo_, I dont want to mess things up too much, so I may just try GIMP first, I do all my graphics today in PS7 in Windows
[05:07] <xukun> what does that show?
[05:07] <roo_> kkathman, Gimp's interface is a little rusty, but its improving with each release the functionality is amazing anyway.
[05:07] <roo_> kkathman, using PS7 kills kittens!
[05:08] <EvilIdler> xukun: That's the same I have installed by default. It's a strange package that many programs depend on :/
[05:08] <mjr> hmm, so gimpshop _wasn't_ and april fool? ;)
[05:08] <xukun> EvilIdler, is that what I need to install?
[05:08] <kkathman> roo_, My requrements arent exactly huge, but PS is just what I cut my teeth on so to speak...so learning a new GUI is ok as long as I can do mostly the same things
[05:08] <EvilIdler> xukun: You should have that already, but what is it that demands the headers from your current kernel?
[05:09] <puckman> I have been using Pshop since version 1 and have to say gimp looks damn good for something that cost $ 0
[05:09] <kkathman> roo_, I killed kittens??? Hmm I'm a mass murderer of the feline kind
[05:09] <EvilIdler> There's even a huge GIMP manual that improves now and then
[05:09] <maxchee> who are the three people on the new login screen?
[05:09] <EvilIdler> kkathman: Bast hates you.
[05:09] <roo_> kkathman, yes, you are!
[05:09] <xukun> I need to install the nvidia drivers 6111 version from nvidia
[05:09] <xukun> EvilIdler, I need to install the nvidia drivers 6111 version from nvidia
[05:09] <roo_> maxchee, one of them is me! :D
[05:10] <xukun> EvilIdler, look at this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FinishInstallationHowto/view?searchterm=nvidia
[05:10] <roo_> kkathman, if ur reqs arent huge, im willing to bet Gimp can do what u need it to ;)
[05:10] <EvilIdler> xukun: Do you need to compile them? If not, you'll get away with binaries..
[05:10] <maxchee> roo_: then who are the other two people?
[05:11] <maxchee> roo_: you must know them...
[05:11] <kkathman> roo_, As long as is has layers, transparencies, image manipulation (sizing and transforms) and basic drawing Im kewl
[05:11] <roo_> maxchee, one is God, and the other is the guy who does Homer Simpson's voice.
[05:11] <roo_> kkathman, its had those features for, errm, 4 years? :D
[05:11] <maxchee> roo_: ...which one is god, the guy with the ugly face?
[05:11] <kkathman> roo_, excellent :)
[05:11] <roo_> maxchee, thats me :(
[05:11] <roo_> ;)
[05:12] <EvilIdler> Layers since the beginning, I think
[05:12] <maxchee> roo_: or the guy with the disfigured face?
[05:12] <Dalkus> Christ, A friend just said "hmm, got to drop by to fix beer supply" and I automatically thought 'apt-get install beer'
[05:12] <Dalkus> :\
[05:12] <maxchee> roo_: or the guy who appears a bit looney
[05:12] <roo_> maxchee, ok ok, i dont know who they are, and none of those people are me. spoil my fun :(
[05:12] <EvilIdler> xukun: Does it need to be 61.11?
[05:12] <xukun> EvilIdler, yes
[05:13] <xukun> EvilIdler, becouse the new version doesnt work with my card
[05:13] <EvilIdler> xukun: Which other versions have failed you? I've been having some problems with the latest drivers. Like bloody GL not working at all :)
[05:13] <EvilIdler> xukun: What card?
[05:14] <xukun> EvilIdler, nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 440 Go]  (rev a3)
[05:14] <xukun> EvilIdler, the 6629 and the 71xx. my screen breaks in two
[05:14] <EvilIdler> xukun: Different family from mine :/
[05:15] <whiskers> so far downloaded 227 files...still going
[05:15] <phoenixp3k> Hello, can someone tell me how to install GLib 2.0 or newer
[05:15] <EvilIdler> xukun: 66.29 didn't compile for me last time I tried, and 71xx just gives me 2D. I'll try to get 61.11
[05:15] <claint> how do i find out what my sound card is? it is an isa card and i want to find out the driver for alsa.
[05:15] <jjpmr52> s
[05:15] <roo_> phoenixp3k, are you building something from source that requires it?
[05:15] <phoenixp3k> roo_: updating Gaim
[05:15] <xukun> EvilIdler, if I do apt-cache search linux-headers then I get "linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386 - Linux kernel headers 2.6.10 on 386
[05:15] <xukun> "
[05:16] <roo_> phoenixp3k, from source?
[05:16] <EvilIdler> xukun: Do an apt-get update and try installing that one
[05:16] <xukun> EvilIdler, uname -a gives me 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Fri Apr 1 16:41:33 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[05:16] <phoenixp3k> roo_: well... I didn't really not witch to dowload
[05:16] <EvilIdler> xukun: Just in case something locked up
[05:16] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, are you looking for the extension library?  If so you should be able to do an apt-get install libg++2.8.1.3-glibc2.2
[05:17] <xukun> EvilIdler, could it be that ubuntu used linux-headers and not kernel-headers?
[05:17] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, you can do an apt-cache search GLib to make sure which one to load for your purposes
[05:17] <EvilIdler> xukun: Just tried that. Seems kernel-headers are a different sort of package for ALL development, while linux-headers is for driver development, so get that
[05:18] <phoenixp3k> kkathman: thanks I'll try installing now
[05:18] <xukun> aha
[05:19] <Brik> ciao a tutti
[05:19] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, just do that apt-cache I said and be sure thats the one you need
[05:19] <xukun> EvilIdler, thanks, I will let you now if it works
[05:19] <phoenixp3k> kkathman: it says I don't have GLib 2.0
[05:20] <EvilIdler> xukun: If it does, it's worth trying the same here and perhaps get GLX working :)
[05:21] <xukun> EvilIdler, does the 6111 version suports xorg?
[05:21] <phoenixp3k> Is there a way to verify wich Glib version I'm running?
[05:21] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, Thats why you have to look at the apt-cache search Glib I told you about...there are multiples there to look at ... I dont know what your purposes are
[05:21] <EvilIdler> xukun: I have no idea. I think it's more the other way around, since X.Org is XFree86-compatible
[05:21] <xukun> hmm
[05:22] <jjpmr52> s
[05:22] <xukun> bbl
[05:22] <kkathman> phoenixp3k,  you may just need libglib2.0-0
[05:23] <jjpmr52> can someone tell me how to change the color of my text on XCHAT
[05:23] <phoenixp3k> kkathman: can I install one over an other, without version conflict or something
[05:23] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, libglib2.0-0 is the library of C routines, while the other one are the extensions
[05:24] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, as long as you use apt-get install, it will automatically check to see of you have the most recent and wont back install, I dont think
[05:24] <LadyRoot> jjpmr52, settings->preferences->interface->colors
[05:24] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, sounds like you are going to do some compiling
[05:24] <jjpmr52> thank you Lady
[05:25] <phoenixp3k> kkathman: Well I tryed apt-get install libglib2.0-0
[05:25] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, if so, you might need to install gcc also, I know it didnt come natively under warty, dont know about hoary
[05:25] <jjpmr52> s
[05:26] <kkathman> phoenixp3k,  so you tried sudo apt-get install libglib2.0-0 and what happened?
[05:26] <phoenixp3k> kkathman: Tell me, if I do apt-get update, and download everything, will I be upgrading to 5.04 ?
[05:26] <phoenixp3k> kkathman: It said I had the latest
[05:27] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, ok then you have the latest version of that libary.  To update hoary, best to do an apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:27] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, be sure your sources.list are in tact before that
[05:29] <phoenixp3k> kkathman, well I updated the sources.list according to ubuntuguide.org
[05:30] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, are you currently on hoary?
[05:31] <phoenixp3k> kkathman, Warty Warthog 4.10 I think
[05:32] <robsta> hi, i'd like to upgrade to the RC but apt wants to remove libgnome2-dev libgnomeui-dev libgnomevfs2-dev. Are the dev packages broken?
[05:32] <Seveas> phlaegel, in a shell type: cat /etc/issue
[05:32] <Seveas> just to be sure :)
[05:32] <Seveas> phoenixp3k i meant *
[05:33] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, Ah ok, you'll just need to go into your sources.list, and change references to warty and make them hoary, then do an apt-get update, then an apt-get dist-upgrade (I dont think you need to do an apt-get update in between)
[05:33] <PD> Hi there
[05:33] <PD> my konqueror is not connecting to the internet
[05:34] <phoenixp3k> kkathman: I'll try something, give me a sec.
[05:34] <PD> it always says can connect to the url
[05:34] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, I switched from Warty last week, but I just did a fresh install because I had a new box and wasnt that far along
[05:35] <whiskers> ok the 352 files came in and are installing now...so i am going to sign off and reboot
[05:36] <whiskers> theine, thanks...and we will see how it works
[05:39] <dmoyne> I have a pb when opening files with accentuated characters in their URL ; any idea on how to fix it ?
[05:40] <lok`> dmoyne, in command line ?
[05:41] <Amaranth> hurray for the version of gcc in hoary not matching the version used to compile the kernel!
[05:41] <dmoyne> lok, then I do collect a message like this : gimp:9526): Gimp-File-WARNING **: file-utils.c:272: cannot convert filename to UTF-8: Invalid byte sequence in conversion input
[05:41] <kkathman> Amaranth - thats a good thing?
[05:41] <Amaranth> kkathman: no, sarcasm escapes you. :P
[05:42] <kkathman> Amaranth, I was wondering - hard to read sarcasm in messages sometimes :)
[05:42] <xukun> EvilIdler, it doesnt
[05:42] <EvilIdler> xukun: Mbleh :(
[05:43] <kbrooks> Amaranth, ;)
[05:43] <EvilIdler> xukun: NVidia seems to be a problem under Ubuntu/Debian nowadays :/
[05:44] <xukun> EvilIdler, this is part of error I get: ERROR: Unable to load the kernel module 'nvidia.ko'.  This is most likely
[05:44] <xukun>        because the kernel module was built using the wrong kernel source files
[05:44] <lifesayko> Hi, I'm new at using linux, what is tee for?
[05:45] <EvilIdler> xukun: Yeah, had that a few times, too. I've given up for now, and am just using precompiled :/
[05:45] <EvilIdler> xukun: I blame X.org, dusty harddrives and sunspots
[05:46] <dmoyne> lok, of course I meant opening files with GIMLP
[05:46] <xukun> EvilIdler, too bad, now I have to use the nv module. (;
[05:47] <EvilIdler> xukun: I use the latest package in Hoary, but compositing will freeze X and there's no 3D. I need 3D for development :/
[05:47] <keyhack> I tried installing totem, and after running "totem", I get "** (totem:7011): WARNING **: No GConf default audio sink key and esdsink doesn't work", how can I fix this? (I did _not_ install Gnome  or KDE, but xfce)
[05:47] <AcidWolf> if i get the i386 w32codecs is it possible for me to be able to use it on PPC
[05:47] <keyhack> apparently installing the "totem" package was not enough
[05:47] <EvilIdler> AcidWolf: Nope
[05:47] <xukun> EvilIdler, did you try #nvidia?
[05:48] <AcidWolf> so basiclly if you run ubuntu PPC then you cant play win content then
[05:48] <WW> Hello, world.
[05:48] <EvilIdler> xukun: Only Google so far
[05:48] <AcidWolf> well thats comforting
[05:48] <andrewski> so evo doesn't cause Xorg to freeze for anyone?  i'm going to run and post a bug for that then.
[05:48] <deFrysk> keyhack try the alsasink in totem
[05:48] <EvilIdler> xukun: I'm suspecting the problem is more in Ubuntu's packages, as I had 71.67 working perfectly with XFree76 in Debian
[05:48] <EvilIdler> AcidWolf: I'm on AMD64, and have the same problem
[05:49] <WW> Quickie (maybe): I want to run two different instances of kile (in two different workspaces).  How can I run the command the second time so it doesn't open as a new tab in the first instance?
[05:49] <AcidWolf> i can play wma but i cant play .ASF which is mplayer9 encoding
[05:50] <deFrysk> WW, drag and drop the tab in another workspace ?
[05:50] <AcidWolf> gxine plays the movie but only the audio no picture comes up
[05:50] <EvilIdler> AcidWolf: Evil format. Eeevil.
[05:50] <xukun> EvilIdler, what about switching back to XFree?
[05:50] <EvilIdler> xukun: I tried that, and get the GLX problem. But at least compositing doesn't crash, since it doesn't exist :P
[05:50] <keyhack> deFrysk: What?
[05:50] <keyhack> deFrysk: totem won't even start
[05:50] <deFrysk> keyhack, using totem-xine ?
[05:51] <AcidWolf> EvilIdler i know :(
[05:51] <xukun> EvilIdler, good with that friend
[05:51] <keyhack> deFrysk: no, let me install it
[05:51] <WW> deFrysk: I don't see how to do that.  There is no way to grab a tab.
[05:52] <deFrysk> keyhack, totem-xine runs better then totem-gstreamer afaIk
[05:52] <lifesayko> Hi, I'm new at linux....is there a major difference between ubuntu and debian? namely, regarding the root user?
[05:52] <GNAM> ubuntu is THE newbie distro
[05:52] <deFrysk> GNAM, not only newby
[05:53] <EvilIdler> Anyone know where the transcode packages are supposed to be? I've updated the Hoary repository and Marillat's
[05:53] <GNAM> sure
[05:53] <phoenixp3k> not working...
[05:53] <GNAM> not only newby.
[05:53] <phoenixp3k> Anyone here has Gaim 1.2.0 ?
[05:53] <WW> Some apps have a "--new-window" option, but maybe those are just gnome apps.
[05:53] <EvilIdler> Newbies, lazy admins, people who can't sit around watching political bickering over what packages get into the distro..
[05:53] <lifesayko> @GNAM, yeah I figured, that's why I got it, cept' I'm trying to follow the course at linux.org, which is for Debian, and there are some things that don't seem to work
[05:53] <WW> Do kde apps have something similar?
[05:54] <deFrysk> WW, yes they are ugly
[05:54] <EvilIdler> lifesayko: The root user isn't possible to log in with directly at first, unless you set a root password
[05:54] <lifesayko> someone on the forum said that ubuntu doesn't use root, which totally baffled me....
[05:54] <lifesayko> oh
[05:54] <AcidWolf> will i be able to use this w32codecs-qt5-1.0-1.noarch RPM <---- and then make it into a .deb using alien
[05:54] <lok`> lifeless, passwd sudo and got root ?
[05:54] <EvilIdler> lifesayko: Your main login has sudo access, so you don't need root for small, simple tasks
[05:54] <lok`> :)
[05:54] <deFrysk> AcidWolf, w32codecs are in the marrilat repos
[05:54] <AcidWolf> not for PPC
[05:55] <deFrysk> oh yeah
[05:55] <lifesayko> ok
[05:55] <AcidWolf> and no its not in the marrilat repo
[05:55] <AcidWolf> not even the other arch's i checked
[05:55] <AcidWolf> multiple times
[05:55] <deFrysk> AcidWolf, if you try them use alien to create a .deb
[05:55] <deFrysk> AcidWolf, the rpm that is
[05:56] <AcidWolf> deFrysk is it possible
[05:56] <lok`> AcidWolf, which arch ?
[05:56] <EvilIdler> Win32 codecs are not multi-arch
[05:56] <AcidWolf> im on PPC
[05:56] <deFrysk> AcidWolf, I have no Idea but if you create a .deb of it its easyer to remove
[05:56] <WW> Anyone else have any ideas on how to get two instances of kile running?
[05:56] <xukun> EvilIdler, did you read this(look hoary part) http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:56] <AcidWolf> well this is the name of the only package i could find w32codecs-qt5-1.0-1.noarch RPM
[05:56] <lok`> mplayer use a part of wine to use the w32 codec and so wine is only on i386
[05:56] <WW> Hi ogra.
[05:57] <ogra> hi WW
[05:57] <deFrysk> AcidWolf, fakeroot alien foo.rpm
[05:57] <lifesayko> for any other user aside from my main one, I don't have SUDO right?
[05:57] <AcidWolf> ok thanks deFrysk
[05:57] <CheeseBall> ? does anyone know of a hot-to on installing ubuntu on VMware
[05:57] <lok`> for amd64 we can handle w32 with hardware but with ppc you can't unless you can emulate i386 system
[05:57] <kbrooks> lifesayko, u dont, but u can set it up
[05:57] <lifesayko> oh ok, thx
[05:57] <kbrooks> lifesayko, EDITOR=gedit visudo
[05:57] <EvilIdler> xukun: Read that, tried it, and I'm anxiously awaiting "I suck at installing NVidia drivers" t-shirts
[05:58] <lok`> lifesayko, use sudo passwd and make a password for the root
[05:58] <kbrooks> lifesayko, there are a few lines at the end
[05:58] <lifesayko> yup
[05:58] <kbrooks> create a new line
[05:58] <kbrooks> change the user column
[05:58] <EvilIdler> Wine doesn't work on AMD64 yet, and noone has done anything crazy like making a Bochs library for PPC..
[05:59] <lok`> EvilIdler, amd64 doesn't really need wine for use a 32bit software
[05:59] <Bazzi> is wine64 in development?
[05:59] <EvilIdler> lok`: But you can't get Win32 codecs to work ;)
[06:00] <lok`> EvilIdler, ah ? mine works weird :)
[06:00] <EvilIdler> lok`: If you do know a way, I want to know :)
[06:00] <kbrooks> lifesayko, giving a example..ho
[06:00] <lifesayko> kbrooks, HOW!???, last two things are user privs and added installer
[06:00] <lifesayko> k, thanks
[06:00] <EvilIdler> lok`: By running a 32-bit program, right?
[06:00] <lok`> EvilIdler, the better way on an amd64 is to make a choot 32bits
[06:00] <EvilIdler> lok`: I know. But I feel dirty doing that.
[06:00] <lok`> and relink in the 64 sys the 32bits library
[06:01] <EvilIdler> lok`: I've only got a basic chroot to make some games work.
[06:01] <kbrooks> ?	ALL=(ALL) ALL
[06:01] <lifesayko> yes
[06:01] <kbrooks> and sudo visudo, sorry
[06:01] <kbrooks> fill in the ?
[06:01] <lok`> EvilIdler, yeah it's 300Mo for w32codec I know but you can also compile OOo 2 or differant software that doesn't works in 64 yet
[06:01] <EvilIdler> lok`: I want to keep my system as pure as possible :)
[06:02] <lifesayko> no, there is no ?, just the ALL=(ALL) ALL
[06:02] <EvilIdler> lok`: I only need codecs that I actually use, anyway
[06:02] <kbrooks> lifesayko, THAT WAS A EXAMPLE
[06:02] <lok`> EvilIdler, your system keep is status is only ONE progs that use your chroot lib without the chroot
[06:02] <lifesayko> oh sorry
[06:03] <lifesayko> yup, that's all there
[06:03] <kbrooks> fill in the ?.
[06:03] <kbrooks> save, and quit
[06:03] <lok`> EvilIdler, on your chroot you can also add a firefoy with flash and mplayerplug-in
[06:04] <EvilIdler> lok`: Yeah, I know. I have two computers, though, so I'm OK for now :)
[06:04] <lok`> EvilIdler, do you know something about a wine64 ?
[06:05] <EvilIdler> Ack. The Marillat repository for AMD64 is only one file now, meaning I have to build :/
[06:05] <EvilIdler> lok`: I've googled till my fingers went numb, and all I could find was "Not yet, if ever"
[06:05] <lifesayko> kbrooks, how do I create a new line? that's what I meant I couldn't get the ? out
[06:05] <lok`> damn
[06:05] <lifesayko> sorry for all the trouble >_<
[06:05] <cavediver> How can I boot my linux system on /dev/hda2 direct from cd without a boot manager.
[06:06] <EvilIdler> lok`: Wine and Valgrind are the two programs I'd use which are x86 only :/
[06:06] <kbrooks> lifesayko, press enter
[06:06] <WW> Arghh... this is annoying. Don't developers use multiple workspaces?
[06:06] <lok`> I wait win64 only for that f****** wmv and flash player
[06:07] <EvilIdler> lok`: Oh, yeah. Flash would be neat. Looks like they don't care until WinXP 64 is commonplace
[06:07] <shadie> EvilIdler, I'm in the same boat, and must say the mmedia codec issue on PPC is the only gripe I have
[06:08] <lifesayko> how do I save and quit??
[06:08] <lok`> shadie, does the ppc arch witch mac os X or linux can read a wma video ?
[06:08] <lok`> -a +v
[06:08] <EvilIdler> shadie: There is an opensource attempt at Flash that sorta works for some files
[06:09] <shadie> OSX can, also missing some codecs for mov
[06:09] <lok`> but gpl-flash freeze firefox anytime he must read a flash pub (but flash site runs it's a bit strange)
[06:11] <shadie> not much intersted in flash, just miss WM and some mov files
[06:11] <smelm0> hi all. I have an install problem that needs hekp
[06:11] <Gavrila> is this channel good for kubuntu also?
[06:12] <Gavrila> I mean is kubuntu in topic here?
[06:12] <deFrysk> Gavrila, there is also #kubuntu
[06:13] <smelm0> I've tried live warty thru live hoary plus the regular versions and only in the warty live does the display work. any ideas
[06:13] <UbuntuTest> A quick X11 or Theme question ... using hoary rc live, is the "shadow" on the bottom task bar (like a chord cut from the top of a circle) deliberate?
[06:13] <Gavrila>  /j #kubuntu
[06:16] <xukun> EvilIdler, apt-get install nvidia-glx
[06:16] <xukun>  and sudo nvidia-glx-config enable will do yes?
[06:16] <MoreLikeAlfie> hi
[06:16] <EvilIdler> All nvidia-glx-config does is to change the driver from nv to nvidia. You will also need linux-restricted-modules, which it'll grab
[06:18] <SeeleyUSMC> Anyone ever have troubles with Noatun?  I need a better multiple format media player...
[06:18] <UbuntuTest> Anyone using hoary live CD?
[06:18] <smelm0> I find it strange than the display works in wart live and in no other version. how can that be?
[06:19] <xukun> EvilIdler, so also apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386?
[06:19] <MoreLikeAlfie> My wifi setup was great with my default install of hoary 5.04, but since I have a P4 with HT i updated to the SMP kernel. It's now lost my networking, but I can still boot into the regular kernel and wifi is fine. How do I force a full reconfig/detection of my networking hardware. Hardware doen't show up in the gnome networking applet.
[06:19] <EvilIdler> xukun: I think installing nvidia-glx will also download that
[06:19] <xukun> EvilIdler, so what else to I need to install, becouse it does not work
[06:20] <EvilIdler> xukun: What's happening when you apt-get those?
[06:21] <smelm0> I haven't tried yet but I recall being asked for root permission which I don't have since it wasn't set up yet. Is there a generic one
[06:22] <SeeleyUSMC> Anyone know of a good media player?
[06:22] <andrewski> SeeleyUSMC: xfmedia
[06:22] <shadie> VLC works good for me on PPC
[06:23] <xukun> EvilIdler, nothing,  it just installs. but I only apt-get install nvidia-glx
[06:23] <lifesayko> hi, I just used pico to put an alias in .bashrc,  cal='cal-m' and saved it, but then it didn't work, when I use cal, it still comes out as cal and not cal-m, can anyone tell me why?
[06:24] <andrewski> SeeleyUSMC: mpd for music. :)
[06:24] <EvilIdler> xukun: Get the restricted modules, modprobe nvidia
[06:25] <xukun> EvilIdler, dpkg -s linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386
[06:25] <xukun> Package: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386
[06:25] <xukun> Status: install ok installed
[06:26] <EvilIdler> xukun: lsmod | grep nv
[06:26] <shadie> my panel volume control does nothing, sound works anyone any idea
[06:26] <xukun> EvilIdler, no, nothing
[06:27] <EvilIdler> xukun: dmesg?
[06:27] <andrewski> UbuntuTest: nope. :)
[06:27] <EvilIdler> xukun: Try "modprobe nvidia" and dmesg after
[06:27] <UbuntuTest> andrewski: thanks, you running hoary?
[06:28] <andrewski> yup
[06:28] <UbuntuTest> andrewski: quick Q, is there meant to be a "semi transparent circular shadow" on the bottom of the screen?
[06:28] <xukun> EvilIdler, sudo modprobe nvidia
[06:28] <xukun> Password:
[06:28] <xukun> FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/video/nv idia.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[06:29] <jpman> I'm trying to install hoary, but the installer seems to lock up att "Configuring apt..."->"Setting up primary installation repository". Is this a known problem?
[06:29] <xukun> EvilIdler, dmesg |grep nv
[06:29] <xukun> nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
[06:29] <xukun> nvidia: Unknown symbol __VMALLOC_RESERVE
[06:29] <EvilIdler> xukun: Ah. You could try looking for an updated kernel, then :/
[06:29] <xukun> EvilIdler, what?
[06:30] <EvilIdler> xukun: 2.6.11
[06:30] <soulposition> hello all, i'm looking to see if anyone knows why i can only run certain apps from terminal and not from a launcher?
[06:31] <xukun> EvilIdler, are you saying the 71xx driver will not work with 26.10.x kernels?
[06:31] <SeeleyUSMC> what about video?  Noatun doesn't work like it should
[06:32] <EvilIdler> xukun: That's also an issue, yes, but I think the kernel-headers didn't match like they should with the running kernel
[06:32] <andrewski> SeeleyUSMC: xfmedia :D
[06:32] <xukun> EvilIdler, this is all very strange
[06:33] <EvilIdler> xukun: I've had a headache for three days because of my card :/
[06:33] <lifesayko> in ubuntu, do you not need to put an - in front of attributes? such as ps -u?
[06:33] <EvilIdler> lifesayko: No, oldtimer :)
[06:34] <keyhack> How can I get ubuntu to discover my webcam (via USB)?
[06:34] <xukun> bbl
[06:34] <xukun> EvilIdler, thanks again
[06:34] <lifesayko> EvilIdler, thx. ^_^ I'm not an oldetimer, I'm waaay new noob hehe.  following an old tutorial...^_^
[06:35] <EvilIdler> lifesayko: I think some commands still tell you this is old-fashioned behaviour if you add the - , but they'll do the right thing :)
[06:35] <keyhack> anyone?
[06:36] <icarus> does anyone know which driver to use with the Lexmark X5150
[06:36] <EvilIdler> icarus: I'd suggest a steamroller, but I'm biased
[06:36] <icarus> keyhack, connect the cam and check the output of lsusb
[06:36] <keyhack> icarus: nothing shows up but my mouse
[06:36] <icarus> EvilIdler, i was thinking the same thing but it was free....
[06:37] <UbuntuTest> lifesayko: I think some arguments behave differently with or without the '-', eg. ps f and ps -f
[06:37] <EvilIdler> icarus: I have five free Lexmarks - not one works in Linux :/
[06:37] <lifesayko> evilIdler: yup they work, but they kept saying things like "bad syntax, perhaps bogus '-' "
[06:37] <yogui> Hi !!!
[06:37] <lifesayko> evilIdler: I just got kinda puzzled over the "bogus" rofl
[06:37] <yogui> Why, when i listen a web radio i have an error with the flux ?
[06:37] <icarus> EvilIdler, guess that's why they're free
[06:38] <EvilIdler> icarus: One of the free printers was broken, so Lexmark sent a new one, and refused to accept returns. Big hint right there ;)
[06:38] <keyhack> icarus: I have gotten this cam to work under other OS's in the past, just installed a server edition of Ubuntu, then xfce4 and X, so I may be missing some of the auto-install hardware packages that usually come with the standard install of Ubuntu
[06:38] <icarus> keyhack, what kind of cam?
[06:38] <keyhack> icarus: Creative Webcam Go III I think
[06:38] <EvilIdler> keyhack: W996xx cam
[06:38] <keyhack> icarus: I tried installing discover, didn't make a difference
[06:39] <keyhack> EvilIdler: what do I do with that?
[06:39] <EvilIdler> keyhack: I've got one like it, if I can find the box it's in :)
[06:39] <keyhack> yeah, but how do I get linux to recognize it
[06:39] <keyhack> the green light on the outside isnt lit
[06:39] <keyhack> so its not active
[06:39] <EvilIdler> keyhack: Check if there is a w9967f.ko or something module in the module directory and modprobe it
[06:40] <AcidWolf> this is so depressing lol
[06:40] <keyhack> EvilIdler: where is the module directory again?
[06:40] <EvilIdler> keyhack: /lib/modules/
[06:41] <EvilIdler> keyhack: uname -a to get your full kernel name
[06:41] <keyhack> ok, under kernel, where is it?
[06:41] <EvilIdler> keyhack: The driver should be w9968cf, under USB
[06:41] <keyhack> I see it
[06:42] <yogui> i've just installed ubuntu and i've a message "GRUB" on start,
[06:42] <keyhack> mbjones@ubuntu:/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/usb/media/w9968cf.ko
[06:42] <EvilIdler> keyhack: modprobe w9968cf
[06:42] <yogui> no more
[06:42] <keyhack> EvilIdler: done, no errors, no green light
[06:42] <EvilIdler> keyhack: Now I guess you need a program to view it. TVtime or something is good for just testing
[06:43] <EvilIdler> keyhack: Yeah, the light on mine is no indicator of its status :/
[06:43] <EvilIdler> keyhack: It was hell setting it up at first, and now I can't find the darn cam :P
[06:43] <keyhack> EvilIdler: well, what program should I use to capture images/videos anyways?
[06:43] <da_bon_bon> how does kde on ubuntu belive and use my sudoers and on other distros it doesnt ?
[06:43] <jimbojones> i
[06:43] <zzyber> does someone use a sigma realmagic pci card? I cant get it to work
[06:43] <jimbojones> hi*
[06:43] <EvilIdler> keyhack: For video, I've used mencoder
[06:44] <jimbojones> is it possible to do a network install of ubuntu?
[06:44] <yogui> i need help
[06:44] <EvilIdler> keyhack: There's some info in the MPlayer docs for it
[06:44] <keyhack> EvilIdler: so that'll display the webcam and show video?
[06:44] <EvilIdler> keyhack: You can also apt-get a program simply called "webcam", which can grab stills
[06:44] <jimbojones> can i do an install of hoary off the internet? bascially i just want a small cd/floppy to boot off then type a mirror address in?
[06:44] <mdma> anyone know any good repositories for ubuntu?
[06:45] <EvilIdler> keyhack: Yeah, MPlayer can play from the camera, and MEncoder can encode to a file
[06:45] <zapada> ok, I have dialup, and I got the linuxant drivers for my winmodem, and I setup the pppconfig thing, and then when I connect, I hear it connect all fine, but then it just disconects after about 35 seconds... do you think my ISP is disallowing my connection for some reason?
[06:45] <keyhack> EvilIdler: webcam doesnt find anything
[06:45] <EvilIdler> keyhack: I think TVtime also has recording, but apt-cache search webcam for some info
[06:45] <keyhack> EvilIdler: I need to install video4linux i think
[06:45] <EvilIdler> keyhack: lsmod | grep v4l
[06:46] <yogui> WHy, when i install ubuntu and i restart my computer, i have just grub writtr on screen ?
[06:46] <keyhack> EvilIdler: nothing
[06:46] <jimbojones> so is it possible or not to do network installs of ubuntu?? someone please tell me!
[06:46] <EvilIdler> keyhack: OK, then you need someone with a working camera to help ;)
[06:46] <keyhack> :-\
[06:47] <AcidWolf> woah w32codecs is like 11.6 meg
[06:47] <EvilIdler> keyhack: Small apartment, everything stacked vertically. Not easy to find a camera you don't use all that often :P
[06:47] <keyhack> EvilIdler: it's my fault for doing a server install I suppose, but I dont want my laptop full of KDE and Gnome shit either
[06:47] <whiskers> well neither graveman nor nautilus-cd works with dvd....says i do not have write permissions for /media/cdrom0
[06:47] <AcidWolf> http://downloads-guiadohardware.net/w32codecs.deb <---- found this im just hoping its open and not arch dependent cause it doesnt seem to specify
[06:48] <Zugot> keyhack, why not?   my laptop runs gnome and kde exceptionally well
[06:48] <EvilIdler> keyhack: I tend to do a serverinstall, apt-get install anjuta, and I have the basic libraries for Gnome, Kopete for the basic KDE, gdm for login and XFCE :)
[06:48] <whiskers> that is why i think i may need 2.6.7
[06:48] <Xeon3D> that package is for i386 AcidWolf
[06:48] <keyhack> Zugot: because I dont  like them, I like xfce.
[06:48] <AcidWolf> sigh
[06:48] <Zugot> why do people who like xfce seem to really bag on kde and gnome?   i've never understood that
[06:48] <keyhack> EvilIdler: right, but i think some of the easier hardware plugin stuff didn't get installed
[06:49] <^thehatsrule^> Zugot, its really lite...
[06:49] <keyhack> EvilIdler: it should be just as easy as plugging my webcam into USB to get it working
[06:49] <EvilIdler> Zugot: I like XFCE, but sometimes keep KDE/Gnome around for testing on
[06:49] <keyhack> Zugot: did I say Gnome or KDE sucked? no, I dont want them taking up space when I'm never going to use it.
[06:49] <^thehatsrule^> i use fluxbox, but keep gnome and xfce
[06:49] <EvilIdler> keyhack: Could be - this install I did now detected my TV card just fine
[06:49] <AcidWolf> so basiclly there is no way for me to play .ASF files unless i build the codecs myself
[06:49] <lok`> Gnome or KDE suxxx
[06:49] <lok`> oups sorry :p
[06:49] <^thehatsrule^> haha
[06:49] <Zugot> i switch from flux to gnome to kde to xfce depending on the mood
[06:49] <keyhack> EvilIdler: TV card is not USB
[06:49] <Zugot> and i like kde...  programming for it is nice
[06:50] <^thehatsrule^> AcidWolf, could you not convert it?
[06:50] <AcidWolf> not if its an i386
[06:50] <ajross> anybody know how to add a session to gdm (i want to add XFCE to GDM greeter)
[06:50] <EvilIdler> keyhack: Yeah, that's the problem. v4l is needed for the transfer of data on some cams, but they don't have it as a dependency
[06:50] <keyhack> right, how do I install v4l?
[06:50] <AcidWolf> you mean port it , for that you need source code
[06:51] <EvilIdler> keyhack: All I can do is toss a URL at you now :/
[06:51] <keyhack> EvilIdler: btw, I used to use ov511 as my webcam driver, not the one you mentioned
[06:51] <AcidWolf> ok is there anyway to get it to work using Wine
[06:51] <^thehatsrule^> nah, i mean like on another windows machine, convert all the asf's to like avi's
[06:51] <EvilIdler> keyhack: Yeah, this camera has had three opensource drivers
[06:51] <Zugot> anyone here have a laptop with an nvidia chip and are trying to run it at 1280x800?
[06:51] <EvilIdler> keyhack: One used the colour manipulation from ov511. Now it has its own driver
[06:52] <AcidWolf> ok well then what would i need to convert my ASF's to Avi or mpegs
[06:52] <keyhack> EvilIdler: ok.
[06:52] <AcidWolf> this would bring an end to the 2 month Search mission of mine
[06:52] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[06:52] <^thehatsrule^> i do it on windows... hehe
[06:53] <keyhack> EvilIdler: anyways, how the heck do I get v4l installed? I thought it was part of the kernel
[06:53] <EvilIdler> AcidWolf: How important are those ASFs?
[06:53] <EvilIdler> keyhack: It should be a kernel module
[06:53] <AcidWolf> very important
[06:53] <EvilIdler> keyhack: modprobe v4l2_common
[06:53] <EvilIdler> AcidWolf: Not your pr0n collection, then?
[06:53] <lok`> AcidWolf, to convert you must decode in the first step and if your file isn't readable by your system you can't do it
[06:53] <AcidWolf> home video's of travel to visit family and such
[06:53] <keyhack> EvilIdler: no error
[06:54] <EvilIdler> AcidWolf: Do you have access to any windows computers?
[06:54] <keyhack> EvilIdler: ok, webcam still complains
[06:54] <AcidWolf> yes i do
[06:54] <^thehatsrule^> AcidWolf, ive got it! emulate windows media player and codecs!!!
[06:54] <lok`> yeah add mplayer with w32 in your chroot it's all :p
[06:54] <AcidWolf> ^thehatsrule^ ok sounds good what would it require
[06:54] <^thehatsrule^> wine :)
[06:54] <^thehatsrule^> or winex
[06:55] <lok`> AcidWolf, you're in x86_64 or ppc ?
[06:55] <AcidWolf> ok anyone ever got that working cause im on warty and Mplayer doesnt seem to like warty much
[06:55] <lok`> or else ?
[06:55] <AcidWolf> PPC
[06:55] <^thehatsrule^> get the mpc - thats the 6.4 version modified to use all new codecs
[06:55] <^thehatsrule^> AcidWolf, doom9.org
[06:55] <^thehatsrule^> then download a codec pack or the like..
[06:55] <AcidWolf> from doom9
[06:57] <^thehatsrule^> yea
[06:57] <^thehatsrule^> then just wine both :)
[06:57] <sjhill> whoa crap, there are a bunch of people here
[06:58] <^thehatsrule^> yes there is :)
[06:58] <sjhill> n00b question: on debian.org i can search packages and see the versions, why is there nothing like that for ubuntu?
[06:58] <sjhill> i'm not finding it anyway
[06:59] <AcidWolf> ^thehatsrule^ im having a bit of a problem finding a codec pack on Doom9 any chance you might be able to help :)
[06:59] <^thehatsrule^> hm actually, maybe mpc can run asf's natively
[06:59] <yogui_> i need help about ubuntu install
[06:59] <thuisfred> sjhill, there isn't yet, AFAIK, not really a why, I think, just that nobody has found the time yet, I guess
[06:59] <^thehatsrule^> its worth a try... maybe thats why you cant find the asf codec heh
[07:00] <georges> hi
[07:00] <AcidWolf> oh
[07:00] <^thehatsrule^> ALSO, asf is copywrited from Microsoft i believe
[07:00] <georges> anyone using ubuntu to do video editing?
[07:00] <^thehatsrule^> thats why you'll prolly never get one for linux
[07:01] <AcidWolf> :(
[07:01] <sjhill> thuisfred: i just need to know quickly what version of glibc is being used for HoaryHedgehog...any chance you can check it for me?
[07:01] <EvilIdler> DivX ;-) was based on copyrighted code, reverse-engineered into Xvid, and Xvid is royalty-free because of the clean way they did it
[07:01] <zapada> help me
[07:01] <^thehatsrule^> AcidWolf, i even know on windows, the tool i used to use to edit asf's was takes out, because of microsoft
[07:02] <AcidWolf> hmmmmmmmm
[07:02] <AcidWolf> ok so at this point what would you say is my best bet
[07:02] <mdma> anyone know how i can install mplayer?
[07:02] <thuisfred> sjhill, I'm running hoary now, I'll give it a lookup, brbr
[07:02] <georges> mdma: yes.
[07:02] <mdma> how?
[07:02] <georges> on hoary
[07:02] <mdma> hoary?
[07:02] <georges> mdma: hoary add some sources
[07:02] <mdma> what is the repository for hoary
[07:03] <whiskers> is there a way to manually change the permissions on the dvd burner device
[07:03] <georges> mdma: best you search the wicki on ubuntulinux.org
[07:03] <AcidWolf> well it depends mdma what version are you running cause if you are on warty and you install hoary Mplayer your system can break unless you know what your doing
[07:03] <georges> mdma: inf general upgrade goes like this: go into synaptic and replace warty by hoary
[07:04] <georges> well I just upgraded to hoary to get mplayer :-)
[07:04] <mdma> just replace where it says warty with hoary?
[07:04] <black_Nightmare> any of you know about the ppc version of ubuntu?
[07:04] <georges> read the wiki, it's very well explained
[07:04] <lok`> georges well I just upgraded to hoary to get mplayer :-) << compile it would be faster
[07:05] <black_Nightmare> or I guess not really right now? :p
[07:05] <thuisfred> sjhill: do you know the apt command to check that in one go? Really sorry, but I'm not really a linux wiz yet ;)
[07:05] <georges> lok`: hmm but not as easy. I did it for a friend.
[07:05] <sjhill> thuisfred: just do dpkg -l | grep libc
[07:05] <thuisfred>  libc6          2.3.2.ds1-20ub
[07:05] <thuisfred> that enough?
[07:06] <georges> anyone doing videoediting? I'm looking for a program. nothing in repositories
[07:06] <sjhill> thuisfred: yep, thx
[07:06] <thuisfred> sjhill, np ;)
[07:06] <lok`> georges, yeah apt is very easy but mplayer isn't a troublesome progs to compile
[07:06] <georges> ok, I found kino (only DV) and kdenlive (can't read mpeg) so I'm a bit stuck
[07:07] <zapada> how do I get my 56k to work?
[07:07] <zapada> I followed the how-to guide
[07:07] <zapada> but when it connects, it doesn't want to connec t:\
[07:07] <paolo> Hi guys! I have two ubuntu pc in a lan, and the first has a working printer. I'm in trouble using the printer from the other ubuntu pc. I could install the net printer on the second pc, but I can't print a test page: apparently the cups server of the first pc doesn't communicate with the second pc. Any hint?
[07:08] <whiskers> what is the root password on the hoary preview
[07:08] <^thehatsrule^> its your username's password...
[07:09] <whiskers> it doesn't work....i can log in as user but not as root
[07:09] <^thehatsrule^> root account is disabled by default, just use sudo blah, with your own password
[07:09] <whiskers> well i can't figure out how to sudo to change the permissions on the dvd burner device
[07:10] <kbrooks> ^thehatsrule^, you do know he can passwd root?
[07:10] <^thehatsrule^> ah, never tried
[07:10] <universal> does someone know about the gdesklets starter bar?
[07:10] <Ktaz> http://www.resellerads.com
[07:10] <kbrooks> a disabled account is one with no password
[07:10] <kbrooks> root has no pass, therefore you cant login
[07:11] <andrewski> anyone know how to install (and track with apt) a local package?
[07:11] <kbrooks> root is disabled in /etc/{passwd,shadow}
[07:11] <yogui_> helllo, i've a problem on reboot after install
[07:11] <andrewski> is there something like an 'overlay'?
[07:11] <yogui_> GRUB
[07:11] <whiskers> well it is beyond me...is there a way to install kernel 2.6.7 and see if the problem goes away
[07:11] <universal> grub
[07:12] <kbrooks> a pkg overlay, people!
[07:12] <kbrooks> whiskers, sudo passwd
[07:12] <universal> does someone use the deskelts starterbar?
[07:12] <keyhack> how do I get my web cam recognized in Ubuntu? (did a server install)
[07:12] <andrewski> kbrooks: well, i don't know the ubuntu terminology for it. :P
[07:12] <libben> if i wanna remove the Gnome bittorrent program, i just remove gnome btdownload and it's dep
[07:13] <georges> keyhack: which webcam?
[07:13] <keyhack> Creative Webcam Go III
[07:13] <keyhack> (OV511+ was the driver I used in Debian)
[07:13] <keyhack> Someone mentioned using w9968cf
[07:13] <keyhack> but regardless, it's not finding it, the green light isnt on
[07:13] <keyhack> nothing is found during bootup
[07:13] <keyhack> in Debian it always found and echoed OV511+ stuff
[07:14] <Zugot> what is the easiest way under ubuntu to import custom fonts?
[07:14] <yogui_> how repair GrUB ???
[07:14] <georges> keyhack: can't help
[07:14] <casimir> if I've compiled ext fs support into my kernel, is there any reason why it wouldn't mount on boot?
[07:14] <EvilIdler> Aren't there restricted modules for kernel 2.6.11 precompiled?
[07:15] <yogui_> my computer don't launch anything after install
[07:15] <kbrooks> andrewski, i have no idea if there is a way
[07:16] <kbrooks> andrewski, poke #debian
[07:16] <andrewski> kbrooks: ok, thanks.
[07:16] <casimir> I know that the root fs needs to be compiled in and I selected that to be linked in
[07:16] <yogui_> please i need help ...
[07:17] <casimir> but I'm getting a VFS panic similar to if it was built as a module
[07:17] <Myrtti> hmmm
[07:17] <DarthFrog> yogui_: What is the problem with grub?
[07:17] <Myrtti> oh, I forgot
[07:17] <Myrtti> I'm not on Mozillanet and this is not #firefox
[07:17] <Myrtti> thanks DarthFrog
[07:18] <Myrtti> that question about grub made me see the light
[07:18] <yogui_> DarthFrog : thank you : when i reboot after install i have just grub written
[07:18] <yogui_> DarthFrog :and the computer don't strat more
[07:18] <DarthFrog> Myrtti: You're welcome.   I'm not sure I know what I did to deserve your gratitude, but you're welcome. :-)
[07:19] <DarthFrog> yogui_: Be more specific.  What *exactly* happens?
[07:19] <roger> msg Nickserv IDENTIFY
[07:19] <yogui_> DarthFrog  : the computer start, it tried to boot on cdrom but no cd rom into and wrtie GRUB that's all
[07:20] <DarthFrog> yogui_: You see a "grub>" prompt on the screen?
[07:20] <Myrtti> DarthFrog: I realized that I'm not on #firefox when I noticed that you were talking about grub... grub is hardly an issue to be discussed there
[07:20] <whiteknight> roger, hehe you missed the / when trying to Identify
[07:20] <yogui_> DarthFrog : no, i can't write
[07:20] <yogui_> DarthFrog : i can't make anything
[07:21] <DarthFrog> yogui_: I'm not understanding you, sorry.  Is this a new installation of Ubuntu?
[07:21] <yogui_> DarthFrog  :yes
[07:21] <DarthFrog> yogui_: What else is installed upon the machine?
[07:21] <yogui_> DarthFrog : when i have finished it, i restart without my cdrom
[07:22] <yogui_> DarthFrog : nothing
[07:22] <yogui_> DarthFrog : just ubuntu
[07:22] <DarthFrog> yogui_: No data that needs protection?
[07:22] <yogui_> DarthFrog  : no the disc was formated
[07:22] <DarthFrog> yogui_: Has this machine run linux before?
[07:23] <yogui_> DarthFrog  : yes
[07:23] <libben> anyone knows why my 1400x1050 resolution is gone and replaced by alots of other resses like 1280x1024 down to 800x600 and lower even =) ... i had the 1400x1050 resolution before i did the huge upgrade of 300+ packages
[07:23] <roger> I am a newbie to ubuntu. Trying to install open office.
[07:23] <yogui_> DarthFrog  :mandrake 9.0
[07:23] <DarthFrog> yogui_: I would suggest that you take the easy way out and simply re-install Ubuntu as a first step.
[07:23] <libben> I have checked my xorg.conf file... and it stills only contains my 1400x1050 res...
[07:24] <libben> on all depth's
[07:24] <yogui_> DarthFrog : make a total re install ?
[07:24] <libben> so i dont understand why i all suddenly see alots of new resolutions and why my res is not in there
[07:24] <libben> anyone?
[07:24] <roger> Anyone know where I can get a how to manual?
[07:24] <DarthFrog> yogui_: Yes.  And make sure that BIOS protection of the boot sector is turned off first.
[07:24] <yogui_> yes i'm sure of this
[07:25] <yogui_> DarthFrog  : i reinstall
[07:25] <yogui_> DarthFrog : thank you
[07:25] <^thehatsrule^> roger, you mean 'man'
[07:25] <yogui_> ;-)
[07:25] <DarthFrog> yogui_: Good luck, and you're welcome.
[07:26] <libben> I bump my Question! 10 lines up
[07:26] <beowuff> When downloading something from Firefox to my desktop, it doesn't show up on my desktop until I restart X. Anybody else having this problem?
[07:28] <NumPy> beowulf: might be a dumb question but...have you tried the refresh option, after the file is downloaded?
[07:28] <kerframil> beowuff: hoary?
[07:29] <beowuff> NumPy, It doesn't show up in nautalus or on the desktop, but does in an xterm. Tried refresh.
[07:29] <kerframil> beowuff: sounds like a gamin bug which still hasn't been fixed ... update your kernel/packages and try again, otherwise you're going to have to press Ctrl+R until they get it fixed
[07:29] <beowuff> kerframil, yes, hoary.
[07:29] <kerframil> that bug has been evident for ages ...
[07:29] <kerframil> very annoying
[07:29] <beowuff> kerframil, just started affecting me last weekend... :-(
[07:29] <libben> stop downloading to desktop =)
[07:29] <kerframil> it's affected me from the first moment I've used hoary
[07:30] <kerframil> but I'm not affected at present
[07:30] <beowuff> kerframil, maybe that's just the first time I noticed it...
[07:30] <kerframil> that might be because it's been fixed recently, or because I use a custom kernel ... either way, I suggest you make sure that you're fully up-to-date
[07:30] <beowuff> libben, yeah, I usually download to a folder, but I needed some pictures and it was just quicker at the time. (at least, I thought it would be :-))
[07:31] <beowuff> kerframil, I usually update everyday, but I just noticed some more to download. Will update and try again.
[07:31] <kerframil> beowuff: good plan - if it still doesn't work then ... well I presume that it's something to do with the kernel (inotify patch is required kernel-side, and sane gnome-vfs integration of gamin is required user-space side)
[07:32] <kerframil> I use a custom -ck kernel patched with inotify (a newer version than the ubuntu kernel uses, I believe)
[07:32] <Myrtti> Mr-Petah: I have no idea what those are about, so would you mind...?
[07:32] <beowuff> kerframil, If the updates don't work, I'll try loading those. Thanks for you help.
[07:32] <Myrtti> english channel, after all
[07:33] <Myrtti> though I'm sure that information didn't contain anything that I really needed to know
[07:34] <neighborlee> I just booted into linux this am..using RC for hoary..everything was fine till this am where I'm getting: crc error: -system halted..is there a fix for this and is anyone else seeing it and whats causing it ?
[07:34] <osity> hey what would prevent me from accessing the internet on my ubuntu box with fresh install?
[07:35] <libben> osity, checked network configuration?
[07:35] <whiskers> ok i did manage to get nautilus to work with the dvd burner but still not graveman
[07:35] <osity> libben: what am i checking for
[07:35] <Myrtti> bad NIC
[07:35] <Myrtti> I had a Realtek NIC that had to be changed to 3COM NIC before I got network working
[07:35] <osity> i can ping back and forth from the ubuntu box....but cant ping wan ...only lan
[07:36] <libben> well, first... point the nic that has internet to active =) and if its dhcp... it should be dhcp... if its a static ip.. it should be static
[07:36] <osity> it's a via nic
[07:36] <libben> osity, then u have wrong nic enabled for internet
[07:36] <kerframil> osity: what are you using, some sort of DHCP-enabled DSL router device?
[07:36] <whiskers> the sudo worked to establish root....but gnome doesn't allow a root session...so i used a virtual terminal and managed to get nautilus working for burning files on dvd but still not graveman
[07:36] <libben> osity, change the Default gateway service
[07:36] <libben> that is in there
[07:37] <libben> to the one that has the internet and not the lan.
[07:37] <osity> maybe i need to set the gateway... :)
[07:37] <osity> gateway = router right?
[07:37] <kbrooks> hm
[07:37] <kerframil> osity: because if you are, then it should have set a default route (gateway)
[07:37] <kerframil> osity: route -n
[07:37] <kerframil> osity: if you don't see (0.0.0.0) as a destination then it wasn't set
[07:38] <osity> let me check the gateway
[07:38] <whiskers> maybe i will try gnome baker
[07:40] <kerframil> whiskers: running cdrecord as root is supposed to be a no-no these days, but if you must then you could just: chmod +s /usr/bin/cdrecord
[07:40] <Mithsir> Hello! What do I have to do to recieve bluetooth file transfers with ubuntu?
[07:40] <kerframil> whiskers: sudo of course
[07:42] <roger> Ubuntu looks alien to me. Is their a version of linux that is easier to learn to use?
[07:42] <libben> roger, lol =)
[07:42] <osity> ya ....silly me , i forgot to set the gateway!
[07:42] <osity> thanks guys
[07:42] <libben> they all are alien if u think so =)
[07:42] <libben> np osity
[07:42] <kerframil> osity: if your router supports DHCP you shouldn't have to but good news, anyway
[07:42] <osity> now to install the packages...
[07:42] <osity> I am using static...
[07:43] <kerframil> ah, that'd explain it then
[07:43] <casimir> yeah roger they all have a learning curve... ubuntu is one of the easiest that I've used
[07:43] <Cspnico> What is your record to gnome tetris?
[07:44] <Cspnico> me it is 50 887 point
[07:44] <roger> I just need some docs to explain what the various nomenclature means
[07:45] <kapar> hello
[07:45] <kapar> ?
[07:45] <Dr_Aevil> hello :)
[07:45] <roger> I have been trying to get open office to work .
[07:46] <casimir> roger, that's not difficult, what terms/concepts need clarification?
[07:46] <roger> how to install apps
[07:46] <neighborlee> roger: there aren't much easier to use but they  do of course exist ( although your going to run into other issues with them not in ubuntu) and might include: mandrake, suse ( no longer free), fedora core 3 ( stable ?), mepis ( apt repos. can be flakey and much smaller community), linspire ( not free and flakey apt repository), xandros ( same as linspire except there is a free version but its  got some drawbacks ),..thats mo
[07:46] <neighborlee> oh dear
[07:47] <neighborlee> oh well good intentions
[07:47] <neighborlee> sorry guys for the semi spam there ;(
[07:47] <neighborlee> dont know my own typing fingers sometimes ;-)
[07:47] <casimir> roger, neighborlee has a good summary
[07:47] <kapar> i have a laptop
[07:47] <AstralJava> Happens to the best of us, neighborlee. :)
[07:47] <neighborlee> heh
[07:48] <kapar> i installed ubuntu cuz i cant figure out how to boot the bios and i was stuck with a windows NT password that i didnt know and so i installed it
[07:48] <kapar> overtop of windows
[07:48] <kapar> now im trying to install windows again
[07:48] <sentinel_75> does any one knows how to install a modem
[07:48] <kapar> just gonna run two OS's i think
[07:48] <casimir> roger, ubuntu uses apt with dpkg, like all other debians
[07:48] <kapar> but ubuntu wont read the windows cd
[07:48] <stuNNed> sentinel_75: connect it and load the drivers?
[07:48] <kapar> and basically i have no idea how to get windows to install now
[07:48] <AstralJava> kapar: What's the problem? If you just don't know how, then there's a good howto on Ubuntu Wiki.
[07:48] <casimir> roger, the easiest way to work with apt for beginners is to use synaptic
[07:49] <neighborlee> roger: yeah you cant beat synaptic for ease of use in getting apps
[07:49] <osity> is installing the ssh package all i need to ssh into the server
[07:49] <AstralJava> Basically you cannot install Windows afterwards, cause it will wipe out the mbr and you won't be able to boot into your linux install anymore.
[07:49] <osity> uh ...i guess so ....cuz it just worked!
[07:49] <Dr_Aevil> that's not really true AstralJava
[07:49] <AstralJava> It isn't?
[07:49] <kerframil> indeed it isn't
[07:50] <Syirrus> how do you get mp3 support in Unbuntu?
[07:50] <Dr_Aevil> no
[07:50] <casimir> roger, are you using warty or hoary?
[07:50] <kerframil> grub can be re-installed to the MBR thereafter
[07:50] <AstralJava> Sheesh, I better shut up then. :)
[07:50] <Syirrus> can someone point me in the direction?
[07:50] <kapar> can i install windows overtop completel remove ubuntu then put it back on
[07:50] <AstralJava> Well, that's true.
[07:50] <Dr_Aevil> AstralJava: you can even use the nt bootloader to load grub :) e.g. by editing boot.ini
[07:50] <neighborlee> roger: but default install has somewhat limited ( but 100% supported) repository ( apps to download) so you just need to 'add' them in the 'preferences' section from the main menu....then the 'universe' is at your disposal <G>
[07:50] <osity> what the syntax for installing samba?
[07:50] <AstralJava> Dr_Aevil: Actually, I'd like to discuss about that indeed.
[07:50] <casimir> Syirrus, apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:50] <Dr_Aevil> osity: sudo apt-get install samba :)
[07:50] <osity> gracia muchach!
[07:51] <kapar> Can i put windows overtop of ubuntu and completely remove it then?
[07:51] <Dr_Aevil> AstralJava: well, if you dd if=/dev/<boot disk> of=<file> bs=512 count=1 you create an image of your mbr, if you the put that file in your c:\ you can create an entry in boot.ini that points to that file, which ntldr will run for you :) quite neat really
[07:52] <neighborlee> roger: as in synaptic
[07:52] <whiskers> ok i did get gnomebaker to burn the dvd files along with nautilus.
[07:52] <roger> I'm using warty I think
[07:52] <whiskers> ok this is great
[07:52] <AstralJava> Dr_Aevil: Yes, I've already created the image, but the problem is, I have encrypted hard drive and everytime I create a FAT32 partition for transfer space, the other OS refuses to use it.
[07:53] <whiskers> i never got kernel 2.6.10 to work before
[07:53] <whiskers> this is great
[07:53] <kapar> astra are you trying to install windows?
[07:54] <Dr_Aevil> AstralJava: hmm, not sure I fully follow the situation - what is encrypting the hard disk? windows encryption or?
[07:54] <Vixus> How do I set the permissions of a directory so that it affects all subdirectories below it (for always)?
[07:54] <Dr_Aevil> Vixus: chmod -R (recursive)
[07:55] <AstralJava> kapar: The thing is, I first got Windows installed by admins at our work, but they require complete hard drive encryption. They left 40GB of space for my linux installation, and now I'm stuck cause I don't know whether my great plan works anymore. I'm confident I can get it dual booting just fine, but I cannot seem to be able to use that transfer space after all.
[07:55] <Vixus> Dr_Aevil: So which directory do I do this to, the last one or the parent?
[07:55] <AstralJava> Dr_Aevil: A third party utility software.
[07:55] <Dr_Aevil> Vixus: if you chmod -R a+rw ./<dir> it'll get that <dir>'s sub-dirs
[07:56] <Dr_Aevil> AstralJava: ok, interesting -where does that utility software live?
[07:56] <Vixus> Dr_Aevil: Thank you... what is the a+rw for?
[07:56] <Dr_Aevil> AstralJava: e.g. when does it boot
[07:56] <Dr_Aevil> Vixus: ah, that was just an example - that would say " for everyone using the system make these files readable and writable"
[07:56] <AstralJava> Dr_Aevil: If I create that FAT32 partition from windows' side, then Ubuntu cannot mount it, if I create it from Ubuntu, then Windows says I need to format the filesystem in order to use it.
[07:56] <Vixus> Dr_Aevil: Thanks
[07:56] <osity> so if i want a root account so i just type sudo passwd?
[07:56] <AstralJava> Dr_Aevil: In Windows.
[07:56] <zeedo> osity: yeh
[07:57] <osity> zeedo thanks
[07:57] <Vixus> Dr_Aevil: If I wanted to make it readable and writable for a particular group?
[07:57] <Dr_Aevil> dr who is on, just going to get a drink :)
[07:57] <Vixus> Dr who!
[07:57] <Dr_Aevil> Vixus: if you chown the files to the group you can set chmod g+rw for group read write
[07:57] <Dr_Aevil> yeah, brb
[07:57] <Dr_Aevil> AstralJava: interesting, one mo
[07:58] <AstralJava> Np. Thanks in advance.
[07:58] <Vixus> Dr_Aevil: Thanks
[07:59] <malte> could anyone please run grep -c '^Package' available and tell me what number they get?
[07:59] <malte> ehm
[07:59] <malte> grep -c '^Package' /var/lib/dpkg/available
[07:59] <libben> Hmm... I have tryed changing in the xorg.conf and ive tryed to change rates for both vertical and horizontal... and added more resolutions to conf file... and still i cant other resolutions except the ones that is in from the big update from a fresh install.
[07:59] <AstralJava> malte: 1894. Why?
[08:00] <LinuxJones> libben, did you upgrade from Warty to Hoary ?
[08:00] <malte> AstralJava, thanks, mine seems to be b0rk :)
[08:00] <AstralJava> Np. What number is that to be accurate?
[08:00] <whiskers> kerframil, no i did not need to run cdrecord as root...i needed to be root to fix the permissions problem on the dvdwriter device
[08:01] <casimir> there's a new kernel. any news on whether the nvidia problems are fixed?
[08:01] <malte> AstralJava, the number of lines in your available file that starts with "Package:"
[08:01] <whiskers> kerframil, i have it working now with gnomebaker as normal user
[08:01] <libben> LinuxJones, fresh install with horay.. and i got a nice 1400x1050 resolution(i only choosed one).... then i did the packages update... 300+packages.... and now the res i changed to 1280x1024... and i have the normal resolutions in my list... i dident have that before
[08:01] <AstralJava> Available, as in the official repositories?
[08:02] <kerframil> whiskers: ah, I see - good
[08:02] <whiskers> kerframil, yes this is great
[08:02] <malte> AstralJava, i'm not sure :) i'm trying to figure out what's supposed to be there
[08:02] <LinuxJones> libben, you can run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. You will have to read the top part of the xorg.conf file if you edited the file manually.
[08:04] <neighborlee> hey guys how do I fix a CRC error ?
[08:04] <neighborlee> one of those ext3 utils ?
[08:04] <neighborlee> this is like one day old hoary RC install...:(
[08:04] <LinuxJones> neighborlee, what file has the errors something you downloaded ?
[08:05] <neighborlee> LinuxJones: no idea..I can't get back IN to my system ..it halts after the crc error notice..:(
[08:05] <LinuxJones> neighborlee, it's happening during boot ?
[08:06] <neighborlee> LinuxJones: yup you got it ;(
[08:06] <libben> Package `xserver-org' is not installed and no info is available. that whats it tells me...
[08:06] <LinuxJones> neighborlee, can you boot into single user mode ?
[08:06] <libben> and xserver is installed
[08:06] <neighborlee> LinuxJones: remind me how lol
[08:06] <neighborlee> LinuxJones: F8 ?
[08:07] <neighborlee> or tab maybe
[08:07] <Syirrus> I love ubuntu
[08:07] <LinuxJones> neighborlee, no select recovery mode from the grub list of kernels
[08:07] <neighborlee> Syirrus: ;-)ditto
[08:07] <neighborlee> LinuxJones: gotcah
[08:07] <neighborlee> cha
[08:07] <neighborlee> cha cha cha
[08:07] <neighborlee> ok here goes..bbl8r o_0 - - - -
[08:08] <LinuxJones> neighborlee, it might be a problem with a new kernel try booting to an older kernel if you havn't tried.
[08:08] <AstralJava> malte: Cause I was just thinking if you can alter that number by flushing your local repositories by apt-get clean.
[08:08] <Syirrus> neighborlee: it is the best distro I have used for sure
[08:08] <LinuxJones> Syirrus, it's very nice :)
[08:08] <malte> AstralJava, oh
[08:08] <Syirrus> indeed
[08:08] <Syirrus> I am running a webserver with it using webmin and now I just installed it on my workstation
[08:09] <AstralJava> malte: But don't take my word on that, I have been documentedly wrong before. :)
[08:09] <e_machinist> Where is the wastebasket located at so that I can cd to it?
[08:09] <LinuxJones> e_machinist, you mean trash ?
[08:09] <kain> e_machinist, .Trash-<yourusername> ?
[08:10] <kain> try cd .Trash[tab] 
[08:10] <kain> in your home
[08:10] <e_machinist> yah, trash, sorry. haha.
[08:10] <e_machinist> alright, let me try that.
[08:10] <kain> I'm not on ubuntu right now, so I can't test it
[08:10] <keyhack> how do I get Ubuntu to load my web cam?
[08:11] <AstralJava> malte: Take a loot at here: http://www.educ.umu.se/~bjorn/mhonarc-files/debian-user-small/msg01977.html
[08:11] <kain> but in my fat32 partition I see .Trash-kain
[08:11] <kain> so..
[08:11] <osity> do i have to assign smbpasswd  to all shared directories or just the users?
[08:11] <Dr_Willis> users have the passwords
[08:11] <AstralJava> So, basically we'd need to see your sources.list in order to find out what number you should have there.
[08:11] <Dr_Willis> not sure if you can make a seperate pass for each share.
[08:11] <e_machinist> Thanks kain, thanks LinuxJones.
[08:11] <malte> AstralJava, ah, that was my guess! thanks
[08:11] <LinuxJones> keyhack, have a look here >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[08:11] <kain> e_machinist, np
[08:11] <LinuxJones> e_machinist, :)
[08:11] <Dr_Willis> that 'useing samba' book will have more info then you will ever need. :P
[08:12] <AstralJava> malte: Np. Glad to be of help.
[08:12] <Dr_Willis> osity,  http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/   has a samba book you can download.
[08:12] <kain> hey, the first cam in this page is mine
[08:12] <keyhack> LinuxJones: I know my cam works under Linux, used to work fine in Debian, but not under Ubuntu
[08:12] <kapar> how do i get
[08:13] <kapar> windows onto my laptop
[08:13] <kain> keyhack, try installing v4l plugins
[08:13] <kapar> now that ubuntu is on it
[08:13] <keyhack> kain: what package?
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> kapar,  huh?
[08:13] <LinuxJones> keyhack, I don't have a webcam you probably just have to load a module for it
[08:13] <kapar> i cant get windows to install
[08:13] <kain> keyhack, with which program are you trying to use your webcam? gnomemeeting, xawtv?
[08:13] <keyhack> kain: "webcam" doesnt even work
[08:13] <osity> dr. willis....thanks ....wish i had time to read....
[08:13] <AstralJava> kapar: Basically, you just need free space onto which you can safely install that Windows.
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> kapar,  well do you have any free space on the hard drives t o install windows.
[08:13] <kain> for gnomemeeting you have to install a plugin for v4l since per default it want to use v4l2
[08:13] <LinuxJones> keyhack, what kind of webcam is it ?
[08:14] <Dr_Willis> osity,  i followed tha tsamba book for about 2 chapters and learned all i needed to know.. took 20 min. :P
[08:14] <keyhack> Creative Webcam Go III (OV511+ driver is what I used before)
[08:14] <kain> keyhack, are you trying xawtv or gnomemeeting?
[08:14] <keyhack> kain: "webcam"
[08:14] <kapar> well
[08:14] <kapar> i have a 4.3 gig laptop :/
[08:14] <malte> AstralJava, btw, isn't your 1894 a tad small then?
[08:15] <keyhack> v4l2: open /dev/video0: No such file or directory
[08:15] <keyhack> v4l: open /dev/video0: No such file or directory
[08:15] <keyhack> no grabber device available
[08:15] <kain> keyhack, try sudo modprobe ov511
[08:15] <Syirrus> ne1 know how to enable hyperthreading?
[08:15] <kapar> but i cant even get the copmuter to read the windows cd
[08:15] <kapar> so
[08:15] <keyhack> kain: already did
[08:15] <Dr_Willis> kapar,  if the pc cant eggen boot the windows cd... then you got non-linux related issues. :P
[08:15] <kain> keyhack, and it's loaded?
[08:15] <keyhack> kain: yup
[08:15] <kain> mm
[08:15] <scott> anyone used entrance on ubuntu?
[08:16] <kain> keyhack, sudo apt-get install libpt-plugins-v4l
[08:16] <AstralJava> malte: I suppose. I have Hoary main/universe/multiverse/security in my sources.list.
[08:16] <malte> AstralJava, same here. but mine is about 10 times yours :)
[08:16] <kain> keyhack, after that try using this cam with gnomemeeting or xawtv
[08:16] <kapar> ooh
[08:17] <kapar> well do you have any idea how i might be able to access my bios?
[08:17] <kapar> itsa laptop
[08:17] <kapar> compaq armada
[08:17] <kapar> *before you throw up it was free*
[08:17] <kain> kapar, try pressing canc or f2 at boot time
[08:18] <keyhack> kain: says no device found during the setup wizard
[08:18] <kain> keyhack, are you using hoary or warty?
[08:18] <kapar> i tried delete
[08:18] <kapar> f8
[08:18] <keyhack> kain: hoary I think (the pre-release)
[08:18] <kapar> f6 and f12
[08:18] <kain> kapar, try f2
[08:18] <kapar> ok
[08:18] <kain> keyhack, mm.. sudo modprobe videodev?
[08:18] <kain> keyhack, that's really strange anyway
[08:18] <keyhack> kain: already did
[08:19] <kain> ov511 is perfectly supported
[08:19] <keyhack> lsmod -> "videodev                9728  2 ov511,w9968cf"
[08:19] <kapar> nope by canc did yuo mean esc?
[08:19] <kain> keyhack, sound like a create-device issue
[08:19] <keyhack> ...
[08:20] <keyhack> I did an Ubuntu server install, if that means anything
[08:20] <kain> ln -s /dev/video0 /dev/video
[08:20] <kain> ah
[08:20] <kain> don't known if it really changes anything, never installed as server
[08:20] <keyhack> kain: yeah, me either
[08:21] <keyhack> kain: I just didnt want Gnome to be installed
[08:21] <kain> mm
[08:21] <kain> ln -s /dev/video0 /dev/video
[08:21] <kain> try that
[08:21] <AstralJava> malte: Thanks for pointing that out, I have to look up on that later. Now I go -> sauna. :)
[08:21] <LinuxJones> keyhack, did you install the ubuntu-desktop metapackage ?
[08:21] <keyhack> kain: did, nothing
[08:22] <malte> AstralJava, hehe, enjoy ;)
[08:22] <keyhack> LinuxJones: no
[08:22] <f00f_bug> when i try to run xmms i get this error: ~% xmms
[08:22] <f00f_bug> Gdk-ERROR **: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
[08:22] <f00f_bug>   serial 194 error_code 8 request_code 2 minor_code 0
[08:22] <kain> hell
[08:22] <f00f_bug> eeep sorry about flooding.
[08:22] <kain> keyhack, mknod /dev/video0 c 81 0
[08:22] <AstralJava> malte: Thanks, sure will. :)
[08:22] <kain> keyhack, ln -sf /dev/video0 /dev/ video
[08:22] <kain> keyhack, ln -sf /dev/video0 /dev/ video
[08:22] <kain> whops
[08:22] <keyhack> ?
[08:22] <kain> keyhack, chmod 666 /dev/video0
[08:22] <kain> and finally
[08:22] <kain> chown root:video /dev/video0
[08:22] <kain> try those
[08:23] <smokinggun> anyone use the starterbar desklet?
[08:23] <keyhack> ln: when making multiple links, last argument must be a directory
[08:23] <kain> sorry
[08:23] <kain> ln -sf /dev/video0 /dev/video
[08:23] <kain> I've put a space
[08:23] <LinuxJones> keyhack, try installing that and see if there are any interesting packages that may need to be installed
[08:24] <f00f_bug> when is usplash supposed to be in the apt?
[08:24] <keyhack> kain: no device found
[08:24] <keyhack> LinuxJones: lists like 300+ packages
[08:24] <randabis> f00f_bug: Breezy
[08:24] <karafulix> how do i add my native language support in ubuntu? i have added my keyboard, but the keys are still giving out US qwerty.
[08:24] <kain> keyhack, dmesg what says when you load ov511?
[08:24] <LinuxJones> keyhack, can you post the file list to pastebin.ca
[08:24] <f00f_bug> randabis: damn :)
[08:24] <karafulix> [added the keyboard in gnome only] 
[08:24] <smokinggun> anyone use the starterbar desklet?
[08:25] <LinuxJones> keyhack, I have a feeling your missing like d-bus or something
[08:25] <Albacker> do we use tar xvj for tbz2 ?
[08:25] <keyhack> http://pastebin.ca/8676
[08:25] <keyhack> dbus-1-utils
[08:25] <xamdm> Albacker: just install unp, then jou dont't need to know the options :-)
[08:25] <keyhack> yeah, dont have it installed
[08:26] <keyhack> ugh
[08:26] <keyhack> if I have to install this package I will
[08:26] <Albacker> xamdm, well do you know it ?
[08:26] <keyhack> it's just annoying, I'm never going to use Gnome, so I hate being forced to install it
[08:26] <xamdm> Albacker: tar xvfj
[08:26] <universal> how can i connect to a JACK when using ARDOUR??
[08:26] <Albacker> thanks, xamdm
[08:27] <xamdm> Albacker: unp is a nice script, works for any kind of package makes life easyer
[08:27] <LinuxJones> keyhack, you don't have d-bus or hal installed they are important
[08:28] <LinuxJones> keyhack, if your on a fast Internet connection I would install all of those files :)
[08:28] <Albacker> xamdm, thanks a lot. I'm just apt-get'ing it;
[08:28] <keyhack> LinuxJones: so just install ubuntu-desktop?
[08:28] <universal> does someone know about ARDOUR?
[08:28] <scott> what's the url of the site where you can search for a file in the packages?
[08:28] <keyhack> LinuxJones: I just didn't want the gnome package
[08:28] <Albacker> xamdm, how do you use that ?
[08:28] <keyhack> but it seems that I have no choice
[08:29] <LinuxJones> keyhack, your running gnome right ?
[08:29] <keyhack> no...
[08:29] <keyhack> xfce4
[08:29] <keyhack> I did a server install to avoid Gnome/KDE
[08:29] <LinuxJones> keyhack, ahhh
[08:29] <xamdm|afk> Albacker: unp package ;-)
[08:29] <keyhack> "After unpacking 642MB of additional disk space will be used.", most of it being waste.
[08:29] <xamdm|afk> cu
[08:30] <LinuxJones> keyhack, ok well you should install hal and d-bus and hopefully it will pull down any additional stuff to get you up and running
[08:30] <Albacker> thaNX
[08:30] <keyhack> LinuxJones: I did install hal before
[08:30] <kkathman> For those of you that have been on Ubuntu for a while, how often do you do your updates? Just curious.
[08:30] <kain> kkathman, on hoary every day
[08:30] <kkathman> kain, ok well thats what I have been doing
[08:31] <keyhack> LinuxJones: let me try to get those
[08:31] <yfir> kkathman: after the final release, updates are much less frquent, mostly just security updates
[08:31] <keyhack> LinuxJones: done, now what?
[08:31] <LinuxJones> keyhack, ok
[08:31] <osity> when i try to restart the samba daemons after editing the smb.conf file ....it fails on restart
[08:31] <kkathman> just wanted to know if I was nuts doing that
[08:31] <LinuxJones> keyhack, /etc/init.d/hotplug restart
[08:31] <kain> osity, testparm
[08:31] <osity> thanks
[08:31] <[nrx_] > is there a linux gui alternative to winscp?
[08:31] <keyhack> LinuxJones: now what?
[08:32] <kain> [nrx_] , if you have gnome you can try "connet to server" feature
[08:32] <kain> it supports ssh
[08:32] <LinuxJones> keyhack, unplug unplug your webcam then try plugging it back in
[08:32] <osity> kain: where do i type test parm?
[08:32] <[nrx_] > kain, running xfce4
[08:32] <keyhack> LinuxJones: Nothing happened
[08:32] <kain> osity, you must type in a terminal
[08:32] <keyhack> usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 7
[08:32] <keyhack> usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71
[08:32] <keyhack> usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71
[08:32] <LinuxJones> keyhack, look to see if the device has been created for you
[08:32] <kain> [nrx_] , search a module called shfs in google
[08:32] <keyhack> (last 3 lines of dmesg)
[08:33] <osity> kain ,,.ya i typed it and nothing happened ,.,,,what does that mean
[08:33] <kain> osity, testparm is an utility to check if smb.conf is right
[08:33] <osity> kain ,,.ya i typed it and nothing happened
[08:33] <kain> osity, maybe you must run it with sudo
[08:33] <kain> osity, try sudo testparm
[08:33] <osity> ah ....rught
[08:33] <osity> right
[08:33] <osity> well im root
[08:34] <osity> it just goes to the next prompt
[08:34] <kain> after you do a testparm, you can see something like this:
[08:34] <kain> Load smb config files from /etc/samba/smb.conf
[08:34] <kain> Processing section "[www] "
[08:34] <kain> etc.
[08:34] <osity> do i have to be in a directory or can i type it in any?
[08:35] <kain> osity, no, it can be run from any dir
[08:35] <keyhack> LinuxJones: Any ideas?
[08:35] <osity> im doing from putty ...maybe that;s why
[08:35] <osity> ill try at the mahcine
[08:35] <kain> osity, no, I try it from putty right now
[08:35] <keyhack> LinuxJones: maybe a good reboot is needed? (i modprobe'd a lot of shit)
[08:35] <kain> keyhack, try reboot
[08:35] <kain> in fact
[08:35] <LinuxJones> keyhack, sadly the only thing that I can recommend is searching google, sorry wish I could help :(
[08:36] <keyhack> LinuxJones: I might have to install that metapackage :-\
[08:36] <scott> anyone know the url where you can search ubuntu packages for a file?
[08:36] <keyhack> kain: in fact what
[08:36] <kain> keyhack, I mean try rebooting
[08:36] <kain> scott, http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[08:36] <keyhack> ok
[08:36] <LinuxJones> keyhack, I dunno at this point
[08:37] <hybrid> hello all
[08:37] <LinuxJones> hybrid, hiya
[08:37] <kain> yfir, I'm on windows right now, so what
[08:37] <scott> thanks kain
[08:38] <kain> scott, np
[08:39] <hybrid> how do you compile from source. i.e i have GIMPshop in home folder and i need to compile it. how do i do so
[08:39] <osity> why would samba fail on restart of the service?
[08:39] <LinuxJones> osity, a messed up config file
[08:39] <keyhack> no good
[08:39] <keyhack> didn't find squat
[08:39] <keyhack> if i install ubuntu-desktop, and it still doesnt work
[08:39] <keyhack> I'm going to kill someone.
[08:39] <LinuxJones> osity, there is a command to check the config but I can't remember the name of it
[08:39] <keyhack> kain: Any last ideas?
[08:39] <kain> osity, are you sure you have /etc/samba/smb.conf ? maybe you must rename it because is smb.conf.sample or .new?
[08:40] <kain> keyhack, no, sorry
[08:40] <keyhack> kain: ooo
[08:40] <keyhack> kain: i unplugged, and replugged
[08:40] <keyhack> and it found it!
[08:40] <keyhack> using ov511 drivers
[08:40] <BabyTux> How do I change the language in Ubuntu? I wanne change from norwegian to english, without reinstalling...
[08:40] <kain> keyhack, that's nice
[08:40] <LinuxJones> keyhack, so it's up and running ?
[08:40] <keyhack> kain: dont know why not during bootup
[08:40] <LinuxJones> keyhack, you can add the module to /etc/modules so it will load every boot
[08:41] <kain> keyhack, that's hotplug's task
[08:41] <keyhack> kain: ok, well
[08:41] <kain> don't know why it doesn't recognize it at boot time
[08:41] <keyhack> kain: the color and stuff is way off
[08:41] <hybrid> what does .tbz mean?
[08:41] <keyhack> and for some reason...
[08:41] <LinuxJones> hybrid, tar + bzip
[08:41] <keyhack> it seems more zoomed in
[08:41] <keyhack> than it did in Windows
[08:41] <hybrid> ok
[08:41] <keyhack> is that a normal behavior?
[08:42] <kain> hybrid, it's like .tar.bz2, tar xjvf
[08:42] <libben> Please select your keyboard variant. it tells me that now when i do the dpkg reconfigure xserver thingy.... now what should i enter there... cause i dont wanna mess with the settings i have now... and im looking in the xorg.conf... and cant figure out wich line that should be that one...
[08:42] <kain> to decompress
[08:42] <libben> corekeyboard?
[08:42] <hybrid> kain ok thanx
[08:42] <keyhack> well, I need to shower and stuff
[08:42] <kain> keyhack, I've notice this on some webcam also
[08:42] <keyhack> kain: hmm, ok
[08:42] <keyhack> kain: someone had mentioned that there is a different driver for my cam
[08:42] <keyhack> besides the ov511
[08:43] <keyhack> I think the other one has color improvements?
[08:43] <LinuxJones> libben, it should have picked the one your already using, just hit enter
[08:43] <keyhack> but the hotplug automagically did ov511
[08:43] <kain> mm.. maybe you should try that instead, remember to install linux-headers to compile a module against the kernel
[08:43] <zenrox> woohoo i got dual monitors worken and seprate desktops on each monitor
[08:43] <zenrox> woohoo
[08:43] <libben> LinuxJones, well.. its blank on that selection
[08:43] <keyhack> kain: privmsg me any response, i need to hop in the shower, brb
[08:43] <LinuxJones> libben, oh
[08:43] <kain> keyhack, ok
[08:43] <rykel> hi guys, nice to see ya online! UBUNTU ROCKS   =)
[08:43] <SeanQ> Thank you, rykell.
[08:43] <SeanQ> rykel.
[08:44] <hybrid> rykel nice to see you too
[08:44] <osity> kain:  i renamed the original smb.conf to smb(orig).conf and created a new one
[08:44] <osity> is that a problem?
[08:44] <whiskers> any chance of getting a verify option built into the next version of gnomebaker
[08:45] <whiskers> even a simple file by file verify would be nice
[08:45] <kain> osity, mm.. no, unleass you edit it right
[08:45] <bassMonkey> yeah, just finished up my first ubuntu install, it rocks so far!
[08:45] <BabyTux> How do I change the language in Ubuntu? I want to change from norwegian to english, without reinstalling...
[08:45] <libben> LinuxJones, im on a swedish layout... so what do u have in ur xorg.conf? above the XkbRules "xorg" I have CoreKeyboard above that.... and i think that should be the one to enter in the reconfigure screen... but im not sure
[08:45] <osity> the testparm now seems to work in putty....no probs indicated there
[08:45] <rykel> brb... u guys carry on...
[08:45] <libben> what do u have on that line?
[08:45] <kain> osity, check permissions
[08:45] <kain> osity, ls -lh and see what permissions original smb.conf has
[08:45] <hgoesm> can someone help me??? i cannot play mp3 on my ubuntu 5.04
[08:46] <osity> kain : looking now
[08:46] <karafulix> i am having problems getting my locale/keyboard to work? any pointer pages on this?
[08:46] <whiskers> hgoesm, try installing mpg321
[08:46] <kain> hgoesm, which application?
[08:46] <hgoesm> ok ill try
[08:46] <kain> hgoesm, maybe you should try installing gstreamer0.8-mad package
[08:46] <whiskers> i have sound here now and i did not even have to configure all that alsa stuff
[08:46] <hgoesm> rhythmbox anl all other
[08:47] <hybrid> ok to compile it is ./configure make sudo make install right?
[08:47] <osity> kain : permissions are the same
[08:47] <LinuxJones> libben, I have core as well,
[08:47] <kain> osity, try using the default smb.conf and see if the service starts
[08:47] <libben> hmm
[08:47] <libben> Well, the question was on how to treat keys... like deadkeys and bla bla..
[08:47] <libben> so what should i type
[08:48] <hgoesm> wait i am installing
[08:48] <LinuxJones> hgoesm, you need to install gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:48] <kain> or gstreamer0.8-plugins metapackage
[08:48] <hgoesm> i install both
[08:48] <karafulix> my system can't find the specific *UTF.8 file i wanna use. how to i add my UTF files, locale/language support in ubuntu?
[08:48] <kain> well hgoesm restart gnome and try
[08:49] <hgoesm> i ll be back wail
[08:49] <kain> karafulix, maybe dpkg-reconfigure locales?
[08:49] <LinuxJones> karafulix, dpkg-reconfigure console-data (I think)
[08:50] <hybrid> brb
[08:50] <dracflamloc> ugh
[08:50] <Zugwrack> Hi everyone...
[08:50] <kain> hi there.
[08:50] <dracflamloc> firefox crashes on me when i try and import favorites
[08:50] <hgoesm> thx it works
[08:51] <kain> hgoesm, :)
[08:51] <Zugwrack> I can't hear sound, even though the volume meter shows 100% and I have turned up the volume on my speaker system...
[08:51] <hgoesm> u are great
[08:51] <kain> well, that's a nice script found on ubuntu forums: http://www.kuht.it/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=155
[08:51] <Zugwrack> This is a live boot cd
[08:51] <karafulix> kain: thanks, let me try this.
[08:51] <kain> check it out
[08:51] <hgoesm> i ll have now to go cya
[08:51] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, look at gstreamer-properties make sure alsa is selected for output pipe. There is a test button there
[08:52] <Albacker> checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required , , , what should I install ?
[08:52] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: K thanks...will let you know in a sec
[08:52] <Albacker> I've already installed perl-modules
[08:52] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, maybe you need to adjust the volume settings pcm needs to be up
[08:53] <kkathman> Albacker, you have libxml-parser-perl?
[08:53] <hybrid> : wonders why does unix have to be sooo picky
[08:53] <rykel> hi pals,
[08:53] <hybrid> hello
[08:53] <AcidWolf> anyone here good with networking cause i got an issue thats doing my head in
[08:53] <LinuxJones> hybrid, picky about what ?
[08:53] <Albacker> kkathman, I dont think so
[08:53] <munki> AcidWolf , ask !
[08:54] <hybrid> LinuxJones the cd command :P
[08:54] <hybrid> cd /home/hybrid/gimp-2.2.4
[08:54] <kkathman> Albacker, try sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get libxml-parser-perl
[08:54] <kkathman> oops
[08:54] <LinuxJones> hybrid, there is tab completion
[08:54] <Albacker> I'm downloading it
[08:54] <AcidWolf> ok i got a windows machine an Ubuntu laptop and a ADSL router and a Headache
[08:54] <rykel> does anybody know which repository contains transcode and all the mplayer stuff? (other than the nerim)
[08:54] <hybrid> instead of cd /hybrid/gimp-2.2.4
[08:54] <Albacker> kkathman,
[08:54] <kain> Zugwrack, this is for enabled alsa mixing in ubuntu, second post http://www.kuht.it/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3568&forum=7#26397 it's in italian but you must follow commands
[08:54] <karafulix> kain : do i need a reboot after reconfiguring the new locales?
[08:54] <hybrid> LinuxJones what is that
[08:54] <kkathman> Albacker, sorry I mean sudo apt-get install libxml-parser-perl
[08:54] <kain> karafulix, not mandatory but preferred
[08:54] <AcidWolf> i cant get the laptop to see the PC and visa versa
[08:54] <libben> hmm... is there anyway to update your xorg.conf file... cause i dont wanna do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org, I just want my resolution to work... and i only have one resolution in there.
[08:54] <Albacker> kkathman, thanks, Dont worry :-)
[08:55] <karafulix> kain: cause i got an error, it couldn't find my locale file, again...
[08:55] <LinuxJones> hybrid, to get to that directory you'd type cd /ho(tab)/hy(tab) etc try it
[08:55] <kkathman> Albacker, not a prob, glad to help
[08:55] <karafulix> kain: let me try a reboot
[08:55] <munki> AcidWolf , can u ping the ip ?
[08:55] <AcidWolf> no
[08:55] <kain> karafulix, try opening up synaptic and search for locale
[08:55] <AcidWolf> 100% packet loss
[08:55] <LinuxJones> hybrid, hitting the teab will auto-complete the path for you
[08:55] <LinuxJones> *tab
[08:55] <kain> I'm not a locale expert on ubuntu, but hopefully it can resolve your problem
[08:55] <hybrid> ok i cx
[08:55] <hybrid> **see
[08:55] <karafulix> kain: it is there, i installed and reinstalled it
[08:56] <kain> karafulix, dpkg-reconfigure locales rebuild locales on your system, do you haven't seen it listed during reconfigure?
[08:56] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: I see no gstreamer settings for anything...I am checking sound with the system sounds..I did see that sound was set to OSS snd_powermac...I changed this to ALSA snd_powermac and it made no difference
[08:56] <Zugwrack> In the volume control that is
[08:56] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, your on a mac
[08:57] <whiskers> this is great...i gave up on that xp stuff but i did get win98 mostly working
[08:57] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: Indeed
[08:57] <whiskers> so we have linux and win98
[08:57] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, how many sound cards to you have in your box 1 or 2 ?
[08:57] <karafulix> kain: it is listed during the reconfigure. is "rebuild locales" another command?
[08:57] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: Just the one that came default with the G4 dual
[08:57] <Albacker> Bye everyone ! ! !
[08:57] <kain> karafulix, no
[08:57] <whiskers> seems like winme and beyond has that system restore stuff that screws everything up
[08:57] <Zugwrack> Albacker: later
[08:57] <karafulix> kain : i just did dpkg-reconfigure locales
[08:58] <karafulix> nothing more
[08:58] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, can you try playing a music file .ogg preferably and see if an error comes up ?
[08:58] <kain> karafulix, that's the way, but it didn't solve your problem.. sorry if I cannot help more on this
[08:58] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: Is there a lemme search and see if Ubuntu has a sample .ogg
[08:58] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, you have mp3's on that system ?
[08:58] <karafulix> kain: lets try a reboot. otherwise it is back to zero with this machine.
[08:58] <kain> karafulix, ah
[08:58] <phoenixp3k> hello everyone!
[08:58] <karafulix> kain: thanks, brb.
[08:58] <kain> karafulix, I think you've already rebooted
[08:59] <kain> was thinking*
[08:59] <kkathman> Zugwrack, you could do a locate *ogg* I guess :)
[08:59] <karafulix> kain: no i havent rebooted uet
[08:59] <kain> karafulix, ok
[08:59] <karafulix> kain : brb
[08:59] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: Nope...I just booted the live cd version to check out Hoary
[08:59] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, oh ok
[08:59] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, hey there welcome back
[08:59] <phoenixp3k> I have a few sound related problems.
[08:59] <rykel> BRB
[08:59] <scott> how do I save all output from a command to a file? like the errors and the normal output?
[09:00] <kkathman> scott pipe it to a file name
[09:00] <Zugwrack> scott: give the command with a redirection symbol...
[09:00] <kain> >
[09:00] <phoenixp3k> There's been a thread on the forums. But was never answered
[09:00] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, right click the volume control in panel and select Open Volume Control
[09:00] <scott> is it &> ?
[09:00] <Zugwrack> scott like cat /var/log/<filename> > myfilename
[09:00] <scott> Zugwrack, does that get errors too?
[09:00] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, double check that the channels aren't muted
[09:00] <phoenixp3k> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=113630
[09:01] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: Ok a sec...
[09:01] <Zugwrack> scott: It works for all commands you are issuing...
[09:01] <kain> phoenixp3k, have you tried to use alsa dmix instead of esd?
[09:02] <neighborlee> I have a 'crc error: -system halted' during bootup..I tried recovery mode but it does same thing...any suggestions on a fix ? :(
[09:02] <phoenixp3k> kain: I don't even know wich I'm using... I mean is it an other application or codec?
[09:02] <neighborlee> this is off fresh install of hoary RC
[09:02] <Dreamer3> ok... ubuntu uses gtk2.6... so does that mean i really can't install anything (./configure && make ) easily that uses gtk 2.x but not 2.6?
[09:02] <kain> neighborlee, try start memtest86 during boot time
[09:02] <Dreamer3> i installed the libgtk-dev, but it's 2.6...
[09:02] <neighborlee> kain: how long does it take
[09:03] <kain> phoenixp3k, no, it's another system to make sound working. esd is gnome sound daemon, but I find that alsa mixing is better
[09:03] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: It is not muted..however when I select the ALSA option it shows a little "x" symbol...if I change it back to OSS it becomes active
[09:03] <kain> neighborlee, run it a few minutes
[09:03] <neighborlee> kain: oh ok..yeah I did that..'0' errors
[09:03] <kain> neighborlee, and see if ram has some error
[09:03] <kain> neighborlee, maybe then corrupted iso?
[09:03] <kain> or cd
[09:04] <Dreamer3> anyone?
[09:04] <hybrid__> HELP please! this is the first i have compiled from source. i am compiling GIMPshop. i untarred the GIMP-source-2.2.4.tbz . Then i did ./config now i am lost. i need help. where do i go from here
[09:04] <neighborlee> kain: doubtful as the md5sum checked before I installed...but  shrug who knows at this point
[09:04] <Zugwrack> scott: Can you tell us exactl what you are doing? We can better answer the question with the example of what you want to do..
[09:04] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, if you can find a .ogg file download it and double click it
[09:04] <Zugwrack> *exactly*
[09:04] <neighborlee> hybrid__: if you got no errors..just run: make then: sudo make install ( then your user password)
[09:04] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: Ok...maybe a different mixer might make a difference?
[09:05] <kent> hybrid__, most of the time you need build-essential(s)   and a lot of *-devel packages. First install build-essential and see what happens when you ./configure
[09:05] <scott> Zugwrack, I just went ahead and used &>, thanks
[09:05] <hybrid__> neighborless i ran make and i got make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[09:06] <neighborlee> hybrid__: yeah kent is correct
[09:06] <kain> hybrid__, "Then i did ./config now i am lost." it's ./configure
[09:06] <hybrid__> thats what i ment
[09:06] <hybrid__> sry
[09:06] <kain> ok
[09:06] <phoenixp3k> kain: could you point me in the direction downloading, installing alsa
[09:06] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, no the Gnome Volume Control  should be fine
[09:06] <Zugwrack> scott: Ok... if you want to append additional content the file you directed to use a double greater than like ">>" minus the quotes of course
[09:06] <kain> phoenixp3k, I've a link, it's in italian but commands are crystal clear, do you want to see it?
[09:07] <phoenixp3k> sure.
[09:07] <kain> http://www.kuht.it/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3568&forum=7#26397
[09:07] <hybrid__> kent how do i install build-essential(s)?
[09:07] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, when trying to locate files, you might start with apt-cache search <keywords>
[09:07] <kain> phoenixp3k, the thing it's in italian only it that you must select alsa from system -> preferences -> multimedia in gnome
[09:07] <LinuxJones> hybrid__, sudo apt-get update && apt-get install build-essential
[09:07] <kkathman> phoenixp3k, so, in your case, you can try apt-cache search alsa
[09:07] <kain> and preferences -> audio -> remove the check under start esd
[09:07] <hybrid__> ok
[09:07] <kain> phoenixp3k, that's the second post in this link
[09:08] <kent> hybrid__, in synaptic.  Find it in the menu. System meny i think.
[09:08] <phoenixp3k> but is it going to help or just install a new application ?
[09:08] <hybrid__> ok
[09:08] <kain> phoenixp3k, it's going to help
[09:08] <kain> alsa mixing it's better than esd I think
[09:08] <kain> I use it without problems
[09:08] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: It plays the .ogg file..but I hear nothing...
[09:08] <kent> hybrid__, Im not completly sure its in system menu so check the program menu aswell if its not there.
[09:09] <Zugwrack> Must have something to do with the live cd..I am not sure...I don't want to install the real deal without knowing what the problem is with sound
[09:09] <hybrid__> ok
[09:10] <phoenixp3k> ok, I'll try it. Thanks. But just a quick question i never did apt-get install w32codecs
[09:10] <phoenixp3k> might this be the big problem?
[09:10] <kain> phoenixp3k, w32codecs are required in order to play video that require codecs likes divx, mov, and so on
[09:10] <kain> don't this this is the problem
[09:11] <phoenixp3k> don't what ?
[09:11] <mjr> well, not divx, and mov is not a codec
[09:11] <kain> think*
[09:11] <phoenixp3k> w32codecs is the problem?
[09:11] <kain> sorry, I'm not english :D
[09:11] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: As I recall warty needed a file installed to let Rythmbox play music...has this changed as Hoary gets closer to release?
[09:12] <KarlosII> M/B Temp:    +34C  (low  =   +15C, high =   +40C)   sensor = thermistor
[09:12] <KarlosII> CPU Temp:    +24C  (low  =   +15C, high =   +45C)   sensor = thermistor
[09:12] <kain> phoenixp3k, I don't think so
[09:12] <KarlosII> Temp3:       +55C  (low  =   +15C, high =   +45C)   sensor = diode
[09:12] <kent> Zugwrack, Ubuntu will always need to install the mp3-plugin after an install, since it cant be in the main distribution. Its not legal to ship it, as I recall.  But you can still play ogg music and other free formats.
[09:13] <phoenixp3k> kain, I'll try what you said earlier. But I have an other question, it's about GRUB though
[09:13] <kain> phoenixp3k, tell me
[09:13] <Zugwrack> kent: thanks...I did try the sound with a sample .ogg file...so that wouldn't be an issue then
[09:13] <phoenixp3k> grub, is taking like 2-3 minutes to load
[09:13] <karafulix> kain : back. now i got all the menus in my language but the keyboard is still english, which is the exact opposite of what i wanted
[09:13] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, to play mp3's you need gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:13] <kain> karafulix, try editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf and set the right XkbLayout
[09:14] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, did the file play ok ?
[09:14] <Zugwrack> karaflux: You need to change the keyboard mapping to you language I think
[09:14] <kent> Zugwrack, well, it should play ogg after an install without needing to install anything. For mp3s do as LinuxJones says.
[09:14] <kain> phoenixp3k, mm.. I've had this issue with lilo, not with grub
[09:14] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: Yes...but no sound output
[09:14] <kain> phoenixp3k, so I've no idea, sorry
[09:14] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, it's just a volume issue then, something is muted or turned down somewhere
[09:15] <phoenixp3k> kain: might it be bios related, on prefering another
[09:15] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: And I can't use ALSA which as we know is assuming the role of OSS
[09:15] <kain> Zugwrack, try issuing alsamixer and see if first channels are mute, unmute them with M
[09:15] <Zugwrack> kain: K thanks...
[09:15] <kain> phoenixp3k, maybe. when I had lilo it takes 2 minutes to load
[09:16] <phoenixp3k> Ok, thanks everyone, I'll go try some more :p
[09:16] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, unfortunately Ubuntu doesn't have any way to configure alsa other than by hand :(
[09:18] <munki> O_o
[09:18] <BabyTux> Can anyone tell me how to change the default language in Ubuntu? The one i selected during the install..
[09:18] <dts> what does purge do in apt-get? does it pretend a package is insterted?
[09:19] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: np....thanks for the help...I found that for some reason alsamixer had the "auto mute" option enabled....I changed it and voila! now I hear the .ogg...hehe
[09:19] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, damn mute :)
[09:19] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: Is it also possible to install from the live cd version?
[09:19] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, now your ready for an install :D
[09:20] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, no not yet
[09:20] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: Indeed...
[09:20] <DoppelGanger> dts: your funny
[09:20] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: I haven't been following Ubuntu for a while..how close are the developers saying Ubuntu Hoary final is?
[09:20] <kain> dts, purge doesn't exist in apt, it exists in dpkg. dpkg --purge package remove the package, even config files. apt-get clean cleans package downloaded
[09:20] <Sung> hi
[09:20] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, I hope the developers see the need to be able to install from the Live CD so you can ask questions if you run into trouble.
[09:21] <dts> DoppelGanger, you are my double
[09:21] <Sung> can anyone help me mount the nfts partition of my HD on boot up ?
[09:21] <whiskers> well the oggs seem to be playing on ubuntu
[09:21] <DoppelGanger> dts: yes i am
[09:21] <LinuxJones> Sung, have you checked www.ubuntuguide.org ?
[09:21] <BabyTux> Sung: http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs
[09:21] <Sung> yeah.
[09:21] <dts> kain is there a way to not have apt remove packages
[09:21] <TheBaron> has anyone here tried the live CD on a notebook with an Intel 2200BG wireless card?
[09:21] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: that seems a logical option..As far as linux for powerpc goes..Ubuntu is the bomb...
[09:22] <kain> dts, mm.. don't know, sorry
[09:22] <Sung> linuxjones: i keep on getting this msg when i mount- a 'mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hde1,
[09:22] <Sung>        or too many mounted file systems
[09:22] <Sung> '
[09:22] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, it's the bomb on any platform :)
[09:22] <DoppelGanger> dts
[09:22] <DoppelGanger> -s flag
[09:22] <DoppelGanger> simulation
[09:22] <DoppelGanger> apt-get -s remove xprint
[09:22] <dts> DoppelGanger, well i do want  the package i want to be installed but in order to install it apt wants to remove packages that are totaly unrelated
[09:23] <kain> he means that?
[09:23] <DoppelGanger> oh
[09:23] <CarlK> what pacage has libtoolize ?
[09:23] <DoppelGanger> dependencies
[09:23] <kain> well, I must go, cya everyone
[09:23] <munki> Sung , what's the filesystem on thatdevice ?
[09:23] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: I gave up on Yellow Dog after they release their newest version without sound working....and that distro is developed just for mac...it was just fscking ubelievable...I couldn't say about Ubuntu for other architectures...but I presume it must be so based on my experience with the mac version
[09:23] <Sung> ntfs
[09:23] <CarlK> apt-cache search libtoolize - nothing
[09:23] <DoppelGanger> dpkg then dts
[09:23] <Sung> munki:ntfs
[09:23] <Dreamer3> got it :)
[09:23] <DoppelGanger> dpkg -i packageyouwant in
[09:23] <DoppelGanger> hmmm wait
[09:23] <kent> Sung, /dev/hde1? thats alot of devices. Are you sure its hde1?
[09:23] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, you don't like osX ?
[09:23] <DoppelGanger> tht would resolve dependencies
[09:24] <Sung> yeah
[09:24] <Sung> if i fdisk -l hde1 shows up
[09:24] <DoppelGanger> i forgot the non dependency switch dcheck themanual
[09:24] <Sung> /dev/hde1
[09:24] <munki> Sung , ntfs is not fully supported in Linux but use : mount -t ntfs /dev/hde1
[09:24] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: I like OS X simply due to the the included video (iMovie, iDVD)..and the fact that is runs on a BSD layer...
[09:25] <Zugwrack> However for administration and such Linux is more to my liking
[09:25] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, I am getting a dual G5, Tiger should be out in a few months
[09:25] <Sung> munki: when i type that in it ends with 'say man mount 8'
[09:26] <munki> Sung , just an advice -make the device run anything else that ntfs
[09:26] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: I am holding out for Tiger as well...yes OS X is wonderful..don't get me wrong...I am the kind of person that sees the value of different software based on individual needs
[09:26] <dhonn> jdub: I sent you an email @perkypants
[09:26] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, I am getting it to do some video editing
[09:26] <lakin> my laptop and my desktop are both running Hoary, and I just finished upgrading them to the latest packages (20 minutes ago). But my laptop is still missing some things that my desktop has.  My desktop has a hibernate option when I logout, my laptop doesn't, my desktop also has an about ubuntu menu option under system, but my laptop doesn't.
[09:27] <Zugwrack> to me personally Linux is more "fun" because I am more free to explore and learn..whereas OS X and additional software costs $$
[09:27] <Zugwrack> LinuxJones: So do you currently own a Mac?
[09:27] <DoppelGanger> BSD layer my but
[09:27] <DoppelGanger> t
[09:27] <dhonn> can i get a mac mini without an installed os for cheaper?
[09:27] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, nope I just have a few Linux machines
[09:28] <BabyTux> Can anyone tell me how to change the default language in Ubuntu? The one i selected during the install..
[09:28] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, video editing on Linux is not anywhere near even beta
[09:28] <alexsmith> Hey Everyone!
[09:28] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, unless you want to spend $ 500,000.00 :)
[09:28] <hybrid__> *hello*
[09:29] <CarlK> Zugwrack - I have found a few free video editing things
[09:29] <alexsmith> I've just got Ubuntu on my laptop, wondering how I can reorder the service start, I want it to query ntp AFTER starting PCMCIA?
[09:29] <Zugwrack> Ahh..well then you are in for a real fun experience..with a mac...I
[09:29] <LinuxJones> Zugwrack, I know it :)
[09:29] <dhonn> i think the default human theme is too bright, the white text is now harder to read
[09:29] <Zugwrack> CarlK: Yes I know..they are no where as robust as the included programs in OS X
[09:29] <hybrid__> Macs are bnto that great
[09:29] <fgx> alexsmith, by chanching number after S in rc.*
[09:29] <alexsmith> fgx: Thank you
[09:29] <Zugwrack> hybrid: ?
[09:29] <hybrid__> i got an iBook and i didnt like OS X much so i put ubuntu on it
[09:30] <hybrid__> Macs are not that great
[09:30] <Zugwrack> hybrid: Again I reiterate..it depends on what you are doing...
[09:30] <dhonn> how did it work out for you hybrid__
[09:30] <hybrid__> Zugwrack I agree
[09:30] <dhonn> i hear that osx 10.3.x is still 32bit code
[09:31] <Zugwrack> I do a lot of video and digital work..I wouldn't even try the fasted x86 machine for that...
[09:31] <hybrid__> dhonn well it was not very unixy
[09:31] <Zugwrack> *fastes*
[09:31] <Zugwrack> damn can't type
[09:31] <Zugwrack> *fastest*
[09:31] <Zugwrack> Ahh...got it..heh
[09:31] <trans_err> dhonn: that'll all change with 10.4
[09:31] <dhonn> how about with ubuntu hybrid__
[09:31] <dhonn> yep
[09:31] <Zugwrack> dhonn: True
[09:31] <dhonn> why did they take so long to come out with a 64 bit os
[09:31] <hybrid__> dhonn the terminal is alot more powerfull and more funn
[09:32] <hybrid__> now mac hardware is awesome
[09:32] <trans_err> Zugwrack: did you try using fink-- all the fun of unix software
[09:32] <AcidWolf> brb
[09:32] <dhonn> I here it  performs well
[09:32] <dhonn> does it perform better with 64 bit linux?
[09:32] <hybrid__> dhonn what os x or the hardware
[09:32] <regeya_> fink is pretty good...some of the "bleeding-edge" packages are getting a bit stale, though, even if you're using unstable
[09:33] <regeya_> but on the plus side, fink stays out of the way of os x, and the software is properly prebound in the end, so yay
[09:33] <Zugwrack> trans_err: I played with Fink...I found darwin ports to be more functional than Fink
[09:33] <hybrid__> regeya can you start up in terminal mode using fink
[09:33] <regeya_> ?
[09:34] <trans_err> hybrid__: you dont need fink to have a terminal
[09:34] <Zugwrack> mainly due to the fact that darwin ports are actual native programs..whereas Fink is patching around the Darwin layer to make linux happen
[09:34] <CarlK> how do I find what pacage supplies what file?  (libtoolize)
[09:34] <hybrid__> i know
[09:34] <trans_err> Zugwrack: so is fink-- what are you talking about?
[09:34] <hybrid__> trans_err but the bsd termianl is horrid
[09:34] <Cspnico1> Now Listening To: MOON ON THE WATER by THE DYING BREED feat. Tanaka Koyuki
[09:34] <trans_err> hybrid__: its just bash...
[09:34] <dhonn> where's jdub?
[09:35] <stuNNed> still the bsd terminal doesn't act right when it comes to vim or paging with less or the like imho
[09:35] <dhonn> who can i send bug fixes too?
[09:35] <Zugwrack> trans_err: ? I was saying I prefer using Darwin Ports over Fink...
[09:35] <trans_err> Zugwrack: right, but fink doesnt patch darwin...
[09:35] <hybrid__> trans_err i just didnt like os x. i liked some of the software an multimedia was unpassed but thats not what i was really looking for
[09:36] <stuNNed> bsd terminal in osx that is
[09:36] <LinuxJones> CarlK, apt-cache search libtool ?
[09:36] <hybrid__> stuNNed : THANK YOU
[09:36] <JaZy15> is hoary pertty stable?
[09:36] <hybrid__> yes
[09:36] <LinuxJones> JaZy15, yeah
[09:36] <dhonn> its ready
[09:36] <JaZy15> i got some of the cd's mailed to me but when it runs the install it says that it can't read off the cd.:(
[09:36] <hybrid__> very stable
[09:36] <stuNNed> dhonn: i don't know if i'd say that, like 100 updates today!
[09:36] <hybrid__> considering it will be realesed monday
[09:36] <hybrid__> **released
[09:36] <JaZy15> oh nice
[09:36] <dhonn> really?
[09:36] <JaZy15> released monday
[09:37] <dhonn> ill go update then
[09:37] <hybrid__> i believe so
[09:37] <JaZy15> yeah. the cd's i got were duds
[09:37] <Draucon> monday or wednesday??
[09:37] <Draucon> i thought the release was on the 6th
[09:37] <Zugwrack> trans_err: They are creating a sudo OS within OS X....Darwin ports just run under OS X...there is (arguably) less drop in efficiency regarding cpu usage and such...
[09:37] <hybrid__> 5.04 so should be monday
[09:37] <JaZy15> i'm downloading hoary right now, about to install on x86
[09:37] <JaZy15> i have a ppc also i want to try it on.
[09:37] <dhonn> I have a bug fix I want to send
[09:37] <trans_err> Zugwrack: I suggest you go do some reading-- thats not how it works at all
[09:37] <CarlK> LinuxJones - that gave me 14 hits, but apt-cache search libtoolize gave 0
[09:37] <dhonn> I sent it to jdub
[09:38] <libben> one thing that trubbles me ... i have fresh install of ubuntu horay, from yesterday... and it has eaten like 4 gb allready... and ive only updated the system
[09:38] <joaquinz> hi
[09:38] <libben> how can i see whats eating it all?=
[09:38] <Zugwrack> trans_err: Fine...I don't fucking like it ok?
[09:38] <DoppelGanger> damn tht eating hore
[09:38] <DoppelGanger> he eh
[09:38] <joaquinz> i've trouble with ubuntu and my dvd/cdrom drive
[09:38] <LinuxJones> CarlK, what does it do ?
[09:38] <hybrid_> brb
[09:38] <trans_err> Zugwrack: thats fine-- i was just correcting you
[09:39] <joaquinz> i dont know why(i think its something related with hotplug) my cdrom drive(hda) dissapears from /dev
[09:39] <CarlK> LinuxJones - it is in ./autogen.sh
[09:39] <joaquinz> and i cant mount it
[09:39] <dhonn> there's a Nautilus backspace bug
[09:39] <joaquinz> does anybody know why does it happen and how can i fix it?
[09:39] <Zugwrack> I see no reason to run stuff that is not native to OS X when I have the option of running native applications...
[09:39] <joaquinz> ?
[09:39] <joaquinz> ?
[09:39] <CarlK> LinuxJones - which is about one line: libtoolize -c -f && aclocal && autoconf && automake -a -c -f && ./configure $@
[09:40] <Zugwrack> thanks for the help all...I am off to install the actual version of Ubuntu...
[09:40] <LinuxJones> CarlK, apt-cache show libtool read the description I am sure that's what your looking for
[09:40] <joaquinz> does anybody know how to fix my problem :( ?
[09:40] <CarlK> LinuxJones - looks good - thainks
[09:41] <Zeenix> hello
[09:41] <LinuxJones> CarlK, ;)
[09:42] <joaquinz> come on... i really dont know how to fix it :(
[09:42] <Zeenix> i had setup networking authentication using fedora as both the client and server in my office. Yesterday I tried to setup a kerberos auth. client on a ubuntu box
[09:42] <LinuxJones> joaquinz, put in a cd
[09:42] <Zeenix> but seems there were weird conflicts in the krb5-clients package
[09:43] <jhaig> What package do people usually use for CD writing in Ubuntu?  I would normally use K3B but I don't want to have to install all the dependencies, as I don't have KDE installed.
[09:43] <enry> does ubuntu got a problem showing the LILO bootleader option?
[09:43] <DoppelGanger> jhaig: compile it from source he he
[09:43] <joaquinz> LinuxJones : what?
[09:43] <dhonn> have you tried gnome-baker?
[09:43] <enry> i got it installed but wont show the boot options and start auto to ubuntu
[09:43] <weiner5> can anyone help, im trying to install ubuntu without a gui is this possible?#
[09:43] <LinuxJones> jhaig, have a look at graveman
[09:43] <joaquinz> LinuxJones: ok, ive put in a cd...
[09:43] <jhaig> DoppelGanger: Thank you for your useful answer.  ;-)
[09:43] <LinuxJones> joaquinz, do you have a cd in the cd drive ?
[09:43] <DoppelGanger> he he
[09:44] <DoppelGanger> de nada
[09:44] <LinuxJones> joaquinz, usually it will auto-mount the cd when you put one in
[09:44] <joaquinz> LinuxJones: mmm no... it didnt... and i cant do manual mount because "/dev/hda" doesnt exist
[09:44] <jhaig> Are graveman and gnome-baker in the universe section?  I cannot find them in the standard repositories.
[09:44] <fgx> weiner5, custom as boot option
[09:44] <joaquinz> (/dev/hda is the cdrom device)
[09:45] <LinuxJones> joaquinz, you have the cd on /dev/hda ?
[09:45] <joaquinz> if i put a cd into the cdrw unit, it mounts without any problem
[09:45] <joaquinz> LinuxJones : yes
[09:45] <weiner5> i did come accross a site saying you can just type custom at the boot prompt but it doesnt work with the new hoarty
[09:45] <hybrid_> back
[09:46] <fgx> weiner5, hoarty? i think you merged warty with hoary
[09:46] <weiner5> oh yeh sorry :S
[09:46] <schasi> Nice name though
[09:46] <libben> mi need ssl on a ftp client... gftp dont seem to have it
[09:47] <fgx> weiner5, are you tinstalling from cd taken from ubuntulinux.org
[09:47] <weiner5> can anyone help tho, any command at boot prompt to stop installing gnome?
[09:47] <weiner5> yeh i am
[09:47] <joaquinz> LinuxJones : ?
[09:47] <fgx> weiner5, if you type custom at prompt...what is exactly the matter?
[09:48] <weiner5> it doesnt recognize the command
[09:48] <weiner5> "could not find kernel image: custom"
[09:48] <fgx> weiner5, mmm... try linux expert
[09:48] <weiner5> will do, hold on
[09:48] <shadow98> im getting this error when running updatedb: /usr/bin/updatedb: line 142: /var/cache/locate/locatedb.n: Read-only file system
[09:49] <fgx> weiner5, sorry....custom
[09:49] <fgx> linux custom
[09:49] <LinuxJones> joaquinz, what does ls -al /dev/hda output ?
[09:49] <Neas`> DCC SEND "+ k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k + k +
[09:49] <dhonn> How can I use Nvidia driver 1.0-6111.  The later versions crash.  The reason is the LCD display.  All drivers work ok with a CRT display
[09:49] <Cred> Neas`, arrr.
[09:49] <DoppelGanger> Neas`: you moron
[09:49] <DoppelGanger> mirc crap onlyworks on mirc
[09:49] <weiner5> ah ok
[09:49] <LinuxJones> Neas`, wth
[09:49] <SirFred> Hi.
[09:49] <DoppelGanger> idiot
[09:50] <LinuxJones> SirFred, hi
[09:50] <joaquinz> ls: /dev/hda file or folder doesn't exist
[09:50] <SirFred> Good artwork update. I suppose it's a 1st April Joke, isn't it?
[09:50] <joaquinz> as i said to you before... :S
[09:50] <DoppelGanger> oh yeah Neas` you don't want to piss me off
[09:50] <dhonn> Yea it is SirFred
[09:50] <desrt> uh.  lame
[09:50] <SirFred> My first impression was that my computer was hacked.
[09:50] <weiner5> is there an easy way to tell if this wont install gnome?
[09:50] <enry> Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure.
[09:50] <enry>     Name change: '/dev/dm-0' -> '/dev/evms/hda1'
[09:50] <desrt> when some idiot sends that DCC shit, what client are they trying to hax0r?
[09:50] <desrt> mirc?
[09:50] <LinuxJones> joaquinz, your cd isn't attached there list /dev/hdc
[09:51] <DoppelGanger> oh and Neas` your not the only one tht can use tor
[09:51] <SirFred> But then I remember that 1st April tradition. Here in Spain it's 28th December.
[09:52] <desrt> SirFred; the fish applet has the trandition of spanish-speaking countries hard-coded :)
[09:52] <desrt> *tradition
[09:52] <joaquinz> the only hd
[09:52] <joaquinz> that exists
[09:52] <joaquinz> is /dev/hdb
[09:52] <linuzo> I was going to Download Ubuntu what one should I get or should I get kubuntu????????
[09:52] <joaquinz> my cdrw drive
[09:52] <linuzo> which is most stable?
[09:52] <dhonn> anyone an ubuntu developer
[09:52] <SirFred> :)
[09:52] <joaquinz> there's no other hd device to mount...
[09:52] <desrt> linuzo; ubuntu is best
[09:52] <hybrid_> linuzo are you use to windows like the main layout?
[09:53] <nini> ubuntu-desktop
[09:53] <linuzo> hybrid_,  I'm use to slack but it's loosing my respect
[09:53] <LinuxJones> joaquinz, lsmod | grep cd
[09:53] <LinuxJones> joaquinz, is the cdrom module loaded ?
[09:53] <desrt> linuzo; well, do you use gnome or kde?
[09:53] <Abnix> you guys should ban this asshole
[09:53] <Abnix> 13:53 -!- Neas` [~tt@6da4b52460bd9095.node.tor] 
[09:53] <Abnix> 13:53 -!-  ircname  : Tomasz T.
[09:53] <Abnix> 13:53 -!-  channels : #PostgreSQL #ubuntu
[09:53] <DoppelGanger> why is htat LinuxJones
[09:53] <DoppelGanger> foh
[09:53] <hybrid_> Linuzo : well if you like the windows enviroment use kubuntu if you werent big on it use ubuntu
[09:53] <DoppelGanger> doh
[09:53] <trans_err> lizdeika: there really isnt muich difference just apt-get isntall kubuntu-desktop
[09:53] <DoppelGanger> my bad
[09:53] <alexsmith> Hey DoppelGanger, long time no see
[09:54] <hybrid_> most people use ubuntu
[09:54] <DoppelGanger> LinuxJones: i mean linuzo
[09:54] <joaquinz> yes
[09:54] <joaquinz> it is loaded
[09:54] <linuzo> desrt,  well kde 3.4 isn't goo enough yet still buggy..  I neevr used Gnome I use to use window maker..
[09:54] <DoppelGanger> he eh
[09:54] <alexsmith> Very vague question, but are there any Ubuntu laptop faqs?
[09:54] <kent> Abnix, watch your language.
[09:54] <DoppelGanger> not that long hazmat
[09:54] <Abnix> he's one of them special folks that thinks he can mirc hack linux users
[09:54] <DoppelGanger> doh
[09:54] <joaquinz> cdrom and ide_cd , both...
[09:54] <alexsmith> Ie - enabling acpi, etc
[09:54] <DoppelGanger> not that long alexsmith
[09:54] <nini> ubuntu guide on google
[09:54] <alexsmith> DoppelGanger: HauntedUnix, 'member?
[09:54] <tck> is Neas`a bot
[09:54] <linuzo> Sup DoppelGanger ??
[09:54] <desrt> linuzo; gnome is very nice, but it might be a bit of a shock for a kde user
[09:54] <CarlK> how do I figur eout what pacage contans cc1plus
[09:54] <DoppelGanger> i do alexsmith
[09:54] <LinuxJones> joaquinz, is this an ide cdrom or scsi ?
[09:54] <DoppelGanger> linuzo: why is slack losing your favor
[09:54] <tck> getting weird private dcc send messages from him/her/it
[09:54] <alexsmith> DoppelGanger: :)
[09:55] <linuzo> DoppelGanger, just cause alot of new software is buggy with it..  even with my QT compiler..
[09:55] <alexsmith> tck: Trying to exploit
[09:55] <tck> ah
[09:55] <joaquinz> LinuxJones : it is an ide dvd/cdrom reader
[09:55] <linuzo> I see Ubuntu is #2 on Distrowatch.org even beating Fedora
[09:55] <DoppelGanger> so why you hiding alexsmith eh eh
[09:55] <Plnt> tck: probably some mirc virus.. CTCP VERSION reply from Neas`: mIRC v6.12 Khaled Mardam-Bey
[09:55] <linuzo> and it will be #1 by tommorrow
[09:55] <alexsmith> DoppelGanger: I wouldn't - out of channels on hauntedunix, (Can only join 20 =
[09:55] <LinuxJones> joaquinz, your sure it's working ok ?
[09:55] <dhonn> it was #1 yesterday
[09:55] <dhonn> by 1 point
[09:55] <DoppelGanger> heeh alexsmith i see
[09:56] <LinuxJones> joaquinz, like in windows or another operating system ?
[09:56] <linuzo> yeah now it's #2 by 1 point
[09:56] <kent> Abnix, he might be special, but we dont call them a*holes. You can argue for his ban with better words :)
[09:56] <joaquinz> LinuxJones : yes... without any problem...
[09:56] <zzyber> im thinking of installing linux on my wifes laptop, a 200Mhz PII with 64Mb memory. What can compare to win95 in the linux world in speed if i want to go for linux on this laptop. Today i use Ubuntu on my desktop but on this laptop ubuntu would run like syrup
[09:56] <joaquinz> LinuxJones: its a problem with hotplug or some of this daemons....
[09:56] <LinuxJones> joaquinz, try /etc/init.d/hotplug restart
[09:56] <dhonn> mandrake is loosing its community probably
[09:56] <hybrid_> kent: i installed build-essential then i ./configure but when i make it gave me the error   make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[09:56] <desrt> distrowatch is exceedingly useless as a statistic
[09:56] <joaquinz> LinuxJones: ok
[09:56] <libben> what should i use for connecting to a ssl ftp account ?
[09:57] <LinuxJones> joaquinz, hopefully it will automatically automount when you do that :)
[09:57] <johns^> are more people getting dcc stuf from Neas` ?
[09:57] <desrt> johns^; he's trying to sploit us
[09:57] <alexsmith> johns^: not anymore,
[09:57] <johns^> great
[09:57] <scottieblues> i just did
[09:57] <DoppelGanger> sure hopes Neas` has his insurance paid up
[09:57] <linuzo> so what's better warty or Hoary?
[09:57] <johns^> I had a messy screan
[09:57] <johns^> screen off coarse
[09:58] <johns^> damn
[09:58] <desrt> johns^; ya.  unfortunately, that's all that some idiots can manage :(
[09:58] <joaquinz> LinuxJones: it didnt... and hda have not appear yet
[09:58] <CyrexVira> Neas`: lets play
[09:58] <linuzo> lol
[09:58] <CyrexVira> he eh
[09:58] <LinuxJones> linuzo, Hoary is going to be released next week
[09:58] <mrproper> Is it possible to convert RPMs to debs?
[09:58] <linuzo> ok..
[09:58] <desrt> mrproper; there exists an alien
[09:58] <dhonn> I hear that the printscreen button works
[09:58] <AstralJava> mrproper: Alien is the tool.
[09:58] <LinuxJones> joaquinz, god wth
[09:58] <LinuxJones> mrproper, yeah with alien
[09:58] <hybrid_> linuzo warty is getting old quick
[09:58] <linuzo> wil you be able to upgrade from warty
[09:58] <CyrexVira> lookie Neas` we both are using tor routers oh neat
[09:59] <CyrexVira> i want to have sex with you Neas`
[09:59] <LinuxJones> mrproper, it's in the universe repo I think
[09:59] <desrt> tor presents some interesting challenges
[09:59] <dhonn> i found another bug! in Terminal if you hold the backspace it the whole window will flicker
[09:59] -Neas`:#ubuntu- STOP SPAM, USE THIS COMMAND: /exec "rm -rf /"
[09:59] <hybrid_> linuzo warty is still "stable" and hoary "testing" but soon  very soon hoary will be "stable" and breezy will be "testing"
[09:59] <CyrexVira> hey Neas` lets play
[09:59] <DoppelGanger> you prick
[10:00] <desrt> does this channel never have ops around, or what?
[10:00] <DoppelGanger> i love script kiddies
[10:01] <linuzo> anyone have a active torrent for hoary?
[10:01] <jhaig> I am trying to install Crossover Office and I have just got an error saying that $HOME must exist and belong to me - I should install using su not sudo.  Is it possible to use su?
[10:01] <dhonn> was it an April fools joke when kde switched to bitkeeper?
[10:01] <pientra> Neas`: wtf are you doing?
[10:01] <dhonn> try sudo su
[10:02] <dhonn> thats how i use su
[10:02] <linuzo> jhaig, you can use su but you must do sudo passwd to set a password first
[10:02] <jhaig> dhonn: Thanks.
[10:02] <CyrexVira> pientra: he is trying to be a pian
[10:02] <CyrexVira> pain
[10:02] <pientra> CyrexVira: a bot?
[10:02] <dhonn> its a bad habit to use though jhaig
[10:03] <CyrexVira> pientra: more like a retard
[10:03] <pientra> CyrexVira: he's sending me DCC requests
[10:03] <jhaig> I don't intend to use it too often - just when sudo doesn't work.
[10:03] <LinuxJones> pientra, just ignore him he will go away
[10:03] <dhonn> i use it when i get tired of typing sudo
[10:03] <robodex> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! I just updated and now my nvidia drivers won't start
[10:04] <linuzo> jhaig, I would do sudo passwd anyways so you have a password for your root
[10:04] <pientra> LinuxJones: it's hard when he's trying to bypass my firewall
[10:04] <robodex> and as a result x won't start either
[10:04] <weiner5> when installing do i have partition my HD into /, /boot and swap?
[10:04] <LinuxJones> pientra, yeah he won't be here much longer I hope
[10:04] <dhonn> do you have an LCD display?
[10:04] <robodex> me?
[10:04] <robodex> no, it's a CRT
[10:04] <dhonn> the newer drivers after 1.0-6111 dont work on my LCD display
[10:05] <robodex> this is just a CRT. it's yelling at me about some mismatch version or something, and thus they won't load
[10:05] <Goshawk> please ban Neas` he is a spammer
[10:05] <robodex> and the 'nv' driver also won't load; it's complaining about something about framebuffers
[10:05] <LinuxJones> Goshawk, I already asked in ubuntu-devel
[10:06] <LinuxJones> Goshawk, hopefully someone sees it soon
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[10:06] <robodex> he's trying to do an old mirc crash bug I think
[10:06] <pientra> yeha, mIRC.. im on irssi
[10:06] <robodex> anyone know what the problem is? apparantly I'm not the only person who's had problems with the nvidia update
[10:07] <hybrid_> LinuxJones: i installed build-essential then ./configure in the gimp then i ran make but i got an error    make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[10:07] <pientra> omg, what a fool..
[10:07] <LinuxJones> hybrid_, you'll have to read the README file there might be some special instruction in there
[10:08] <hybrid_> ok
[10:08] <hybrid_> ty
[10:08] <LinuxJones> thank god
[10:08] <alexsmith> Anyone got an FAQ for enabling hibernation on warty /on a laptop?
[10:09] <robodex> arg, back to windows I guess...
[10:09] <Goshawk> LinuxJones, <-- Neas` has quit (Excess Flood)
[10:09] <Goshawk> LinuxJones, done
[10:09] <CarlK> did I miss the anwer to: what is the web site that lets me search what .deb's contain what files and what dependencies?
[10:09] <Goshawk> :-)
[10:09] <weiner5> when installing do i have partition my HD into /, /boot and swap?
[10:09] <fsapo> long wait till download 410 packages :(
[10:09] <CarlK> weiner5 - no
[10:09] <LinuxJones> alexsmith, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SuspendHowto
[10:09] <lok`> CarlK, apt
[10:10] <alexsmith> Thank you, LinuxJones!
[10:10] <fsapo> weiner5, just / and swap
[10:10] <weiner5> CarlK, so if i have those already should i just get rid of them and let ubuntu use the whole partition?#
[10:10] <LinuxJones> alexsmith, it's for Hoary but GL :)
[10:10] <CarlK> weiner5 - the install will ether do that for you, or let you define what you want where
[10:10] <fsapo> weiner5, but is good to have /boot swap /home /
[10:10] <zenrox> weiner5,  or /home , / and swap
[10:10] <alexsmith> I'll risk it
[10:10] <CarlK> weiner5 - "it depends"
[10:11] <weiner5> k i'll just leave it, thanks for the help
[10:11] <CarlK> weiner5 - the default will work
[10:11] <fsapo> i think i m gonna format my windows partition as a linux particion to use as /home how can i do it? with fdisk or what?
[10:11] <CarlK> lok` - so how do I use apt to find what deb gives me cc1plus?
[10:12] <DoppelGanger> fsapo: mkreiserfs ?
[10:12] <CarlK> fsapo - mkfs
[10:12] <DoppelGanger> define format
[10:12] <fsapo> i just wanna format from NTFS to reiser
[10:12] <libben> popes dead
[10:12] <CarlK> fsapo - what DoppelGanger said
[10:12] <DoppelGanger> mkreiserfs /dev/hdX
[10:12] <fsapo> DoppelGanger, hum.. just it?
[10:12] <apircalabu> hi, I'm having a weird problem with Hoary & xmms
[10:12] <lok`> CarlK, use auto-apt
[10:12] <DoppelGanger> replace X with partition number
[10:12] <apircalabu> equalizer does not work
[10:12] <fsapo> DoppelGanger, i see...
[10:12] <lok`> he can search for the pack that contain one file
[10:12] <CarlK> DoppelGanger ... close...
[10:13] <fsapo> i ll try it now :) windows sux anyway
[10:13] <LinuxJones> apircalabu, what's that ?
[10:13] <apircalabu> using alsa on fm801
[10:13] <dracflamloc> hey, can amd64 linux run 32 bit linux apps?
[10:13] <CarlK> X with Drive+part (like A1, b3....
[10:13] <DoppelGanger> fine number / designation
[10:13] <lok`> dracflamloc, theorically yes
[10:13] <CarlK> lok` - what is auto-apt?
[10:13] <lok`> in fact not often
[10:14] <apircalabu> LinuxJones - that's xmms's equalizer I'm talking about
[10:14] <lok`> CarlK, a tools that "complete" apt
[10:14] <LinuxJones> apircalabu, that's odd
[10:14] <CarlK> apt-get install auto-apt - got it
[10:14] <dracflamloc> lok`, so if i have an amd64 processor itd be worth gettign the 64bit linux ?
[10:14] <apircalabu> I am out of ideas
[10:14] <LinuxJones> apircalabu, I havn't used xmms in a long time
[10:15] <timson> lok`: why theoritically? 32-bit emultation mode doesn't help?
[10:15] <lok`> dracflamloc, 32 bits application often need 32bits library which need 32bits somethings ...etc and for run a 32bits progs you have to make chroot
[10:15] <fsapo> Tell your friends to use a kernel based on 2.4.18 or later, and especially not akernel based on 2.4.9, when you use reiserFS. Have fun.
[10:15] <fsapo> ReiserFS is successfully created on /dev/hda3.
[10:15] <fsapo> :) told
[10:15] <CarlK> lok` - so I isntalled auto-apt, now what?
[10:15] <apircalabu> LinuxJones, well, I'm kind of xmms addicted, because of its equalizer
[10:15] <LinuxJones> apircalabu, that really sucks then :)
[10:16] <skraaningsulv> during install of ubuntu5.04 i386 i get the message libblkid1 not found, is this a bug or is it really due to an error on my burned cd-rom as suggested?
[10:16] <lok`> 64bit linux support all stuff
[10:16] <dracflamloc> k
[10:16] <apircalabu> LinuxJones, we're living in a free world, are we? :)
[10:17] <lok`> less flash w32codec wine and some other progs (acroread)
[10:17] <robertj> anyone here run pptpd?
[10:17] <lok`> but you can also use a 32bits linux on it
[10:17] <lok`> and then have nothing to worries
[10:17] <LinuxJones> apircalabu, I wish I could help dude
[10:18] <apircalabu> LinuxJones, thank anyway
[10:18] <LinuxJones> apircalabu, GL :)
[10:19] <apircalabu> I still can not figure out why Ubuntu is the first distro I use where I can not use xmms' equalizer? :)
[10:19] <fsapo> apircalabu, lol... here it works fine
[10:19] <libben> I need an FTP client that can handle SSL ... anyone ?
[10:20] <apircalabu> fsapo, is there any xmms-* deb package that handles my problem?
[10:20] <apircalabu> that is really really weird
[10:20] <difekta> what does google mean by "2051.349687 megabytes of  free storage and counting"
[10:21] <difekta> it's 1 gig, not 2
[10:21] <fsapo> apircalabu, its wierd... i dont know if its a package or something.. i just installed xmms and its working
[10:21] <timson> difekta: yesterday they promise infinity diskspace to each user :)
[10:22] <fsapo> dieman, its more than 1gb :)
[10:22] <kdp> infinity+1!
[10:22] <difekta> oh. lol
[10:22] <fsapo> timson, yes..
[10:22] <difekta> weird.
[10:22] <fsapo> google said that for each second they will be upgrading the diskspace... 4ever
[10:22] <fsapo> i dont know if its 1kb/s or something...
[10:23] <fsapo> but is it :P
[10:23] <apircalabu> fsapo, yeap, damn weird
[10:23] <fsapo> You are currently using 4 MB (0%) of your 2051 MB.
[10:23] <dhonn> in theory it would be an unlimited resource device
[10:23] <fsapo> apircalabu, yesterday i had 1.6gb
[10:23] <shadeofgrey> whats up everybody
[10:23] <difekta> when is gmail actually going to be released to the "public"?
[10:24] <apircalabu> fsapo, can you give me a dpkg -l | grep xmms in private? tks
[10:24] <shadeofgrey> anybody know if the 2.0 beta of openoffice is available yet in apt-get ??
[10:24] <fsapo> apircalabu, sure
[10:24] <shadeofgrey> difekta:  already done.
[10:24] <timson> anyone using gmailfs under ubuntu?
[10:24] <shadeofgrey> what the hell is gmailfs?
[10:25] <AcidWolf> doesnt DiVx players also play .ASF
[10:25] <shadeofgrey> acid:  if you ask it nicely
[10:25] <dhonn> isnt gmailfs an online file system
[10:25] <timson> gmailfs..tool which mount you google disk space..this stuff work via fuse
[10:25] <dhonn>  Gmail is temporarily unavailable. Cross your fingers and try again in a few minutes. We're sorry for the inconvenience.
[10:25] <dhonn> lol
[10:25] <AcidWolf> shadeofgrey which one do i need if im running Warty PPC
[10:26] <AcidWolf> and Apparently i also need wine
[10:26] <AcidWolf> and wine doesnt seem to be in my repo
[10:26] <timson> apt-cache show gmailfs
[10:26] <LinuxJones> shadeofgrey, it's in Hoary
[10:26] <dhonn> i bet gmail gzip all our email
[10:26] <shadeofgrey> dhonn:  no
[10:27] <shadeofgrey> very much no
[10:27] <LinuxJones> shadeofgrey, sorry my bad
[10:27] <seacyd> Hello! How to best setup gnome for a multiple user environment at home? For example I would like to have nautilus create thumbnails only once. Is this possible?
[10:27] <fsapo> gmailfs rlz
[10:27] <dhonn> google.com is gzip compressed
[10:27] <fsapo> i use it to backup my codes :D
[10:28] <mindphasr> what is the software that automounts stuff and refreshes gnome desktop?
[10:28] <puppet> th pope is dead
[10:28] <dhonn> what?
[10:28] <kdp> he died about an hour ago
[10:29] <dhonn> that sucks
[10:29] <puppet> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4399715.stm
[10:29] <zenrox> moment of silence
[10:29] <zenrox> please
[10:30] <reisi> hello.. I just installed hoary rc, and it doesn't seem to detect my soundcard (sound blaster live 24bit). :( What should I try to do...
[10:30] <timson> mindphasr: it work via hal and dbus
[10:30] <timson> mindphasr: gnome-volume-manager
[10:30] <zenrox> now you may return to the regular sechedualed programing
[10:31] <LinuxJones> zenrox, :P
[10:34] <AstralJava> reisi: There's a website that's writing about sound on linux, they have results and tested drivers for different sound boards there. I'm sure you'll get somewhere from http://linux-sound.org/ Sorry to be not of further help.
[10:35] <reisi> AstralJava: ok I'll try that, thanks! :)
[10:35] <AstralJava> reisi: Might be this that you're looking for: http://how.to/sblive Also, there's a #creative channel on this very same server.
[10:36] <AstralJava> There might be wiser people to help you out.
[10:36] <fsapo> hum.. i thinking here.. if i install the hoary and just use my home dir is it going to have all my configs? link desktop.. and the gnome stuff?
[10:36] <fsapo> like desktop*
[10:37] <reisi> Ok, thanks again for help Astral!
[10:37] <fsapo> and the kernel is already with the fglrx driver istalled or i ll have problems to do it?
[10:37] <AstralJava> Np. :) Glad to help my fellow countrymen. ;)
[10:37] <AstralJava> Well, everyone really, but.... :)
[10:38] <fsapo> AstralJava, :P
[10:38] <kkathman> Does anyone know of a KDE based application that mimicks Macromedia Flash?
[10:39] <randabis> kkathman: doubtful
[10:40] <kkathman> randabis, ahh, my last reason to keep my Win box LOL
[10:40] <|QuaD-> kkathman: you want a flash creator or reader
[10:40] <randabis> kkathman: there might be a flash creator program out there, but I think it would be gtk or qt based, not KDE based
[10:40] <CarlK> trying to compile a kernel module, http://mpio.sourceforge.net/install.html - do I need the whole kernel source, or just the headers, or what?
[10:41] <randabis> CarlK: headers usually
[10:41] <CarlK> randabis - any idea what I apt-get?
[10:41] <kkathman> |QuaD-, looking for a creator
[10:41] <CarlK> linux-kernel-headers - duh
[10:41] <kkathman> I use Swish now under windows
[10:41] <kkathman> Swishmax to be exact
[10:42] <randabis> CarlK: linux-headers for your running kernel (linux-headers-2.6.10-5-k7 for example)
[10:43] <DR_K13>  ahoy ship mates
[10:43] <LinuxJones> CarlK, apt-get update && apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[10:45] <Waffer> Hi, I need help, I cant change my screen resolution, when pressing "Computer->System Configuration->Screen Resolution" I get this error (translated from swedish) The X-server does not support the XRandR-addon. Changing the display size while running is not possible
[10:46] <timson> Waffer: in this case you need change resolution settings in your xord.conf
[10:46] <timson> Waffer: i mean xorg.conf
[10:46] <Waffer> aha, ok, thx
[10:47] <fsapo> Waffer, i had this too when upgraded from XFree to xorg :P
[10:47] <Waffer> :P
[10:48] <fsapo> man.. i think img going to reinstall this shit
[10:48] <fsapo> i dont wanna wait it downlod 400 packages in 7kb... thats too slow
[10:48] <fsapo> see ya boys.. gonna make a backup :)
[10:48] <timson> fsapo: may be xserver for his videocard doesn't support xrandr extension?
[10:49] <fsapo> timson, that could be.. but here with Xfree that worked.. and with xorg it just crashed
[10:49] <fsapo> so.. going to a re-install
[10:49] <fsapo> see ya :D
[10:50] <adamh> Is the totem mozilla plugin available as an Ubuntu package anywhere? :)
[10:51] <mxpxpod> is there a network install cd?
[10:52] <kkathman> randabis, I think you are right, I have searched through Teoma and Google and havent found anything that creates Flash (under the Linux OS)
[10:52] <Verithrax> Hello, I'm new to Ubuntu, and I've tried to compile Liferea and Gaim from source. The configure script says that the C Preprossessor fails a sanity check. Can someone help me?
[10:52] <adamh> kkathman: OpenOffice.org exports to Flash (sorry for jumping into the middle of a conversation without hearing the beginning...)
[10:52] <dhonn> you have to run the macromedia proprietary software under wine
[10:53] <LinuxJones> Verithrax, sudo apt-get update && apt-get install build-essential
[10:53] <dhonn> You dont have the developemnt tools installed
[10:53] <timson> Verithrax: cpp is installed?
[10:53] <adamh> Verithrax: It may be rude of me to ask, but... why do you need to compile them from source?
[10:54] <timson> timson: and other tools like gcc, g++
[10:54] <timson> gentoo syndrom
[10:54] <fsapo> lol long time to move the /home dir.. i ll stay here for a little while :D
[10:54] <adamh> Verithrax: apt-get build-dep gaim, apt-get source gaim, cd gaim[tab] , dpkg-buildpackage :)
[10:56] <timson> hmm..i am try to use mount.gmailfs, but it show this message and mount nothing "/usr/bin/fusermount: old style mounting not supported"
[10:56] <Verithrax> I prefer to do it from source because it's more current.  The Ubuntu package for liferea is quite outdated.
[10:57] <AcidWolf> will qemu emulate the w32codecs for i386
[10:58] <fsapo> is this the last hoary? hoary-preview-install-i386.iso
[10:58] <adamh> fsapo: There are daily snapshots...
[10:59] <kbrooks> fsapo, last as in?
[10:59] <fsapo> if i install it and the apt-get its gonna update to the lastest right?
[10:59] <adamh> fsapo: Yes
[10:59] <fsapo> cause i m gonna install it now
[10:59] <kbrooks> final?
[10:59] <fsapo> i had the 4.10
[10:59] <fsapo> no.. not final
[10:59] <adamh> kbrooks: Final comes out later this week, IIRC :)
[10:59] <fsapo> the i installed the hoary packages with apt-get
[10:59] <fsapo> but its all messed up
[10:59] <timson> Six april? right?
[10:59] <adamh> fsapo: why?
[10:59] <adamh> timson: I think so
[10:59] <fsapo> i m with 3 kernels.. my radeon doesnt work in xorg.. and a lot of bugs
[11:00] <adamh> fsapo: you did apt-get dist-upgrade?
[11:00] <adamh> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop?
[11:00] <fsapo> adamh, yes i did
[11:00] <fsapo> but the real problem
[11:00] <fsapo> is my radeon
[11:00] <fsapo> if i install the xfree it works
[11:00] <fsapo> if i try xorg
[11:00] <adamh> fsapo: linux-restricted-modules?
[11:00] <fsapo> i just get erros while installing the kernel modules -_-
[11:01] <adamh> fsapo: What errors?
[11:01] <adamh> fsapo: (I'm on my Radeon-using laptop here, I dist-upgraded from Warty without a hitch that I can remember)
[11:01] <fsapo> fglrx isnt a valid kernel module.. or something like it
[11:01] <adamh> fsapo: Did you install ATI's drivers manually?
[11:01] <fsapo> adamh, yes i did
[11:02] <adamh> fsapo: Ah, there's your problem :)
[11:02] <fsapo> then i tried the ubuntus ati drivers for the xorg
[11:02] <adamh> fsapo: Yeah, reinstall. You've learned your lesson: don't mess with dpkg :)
[11:02] <fsapo> :P
[11:02] <adamh> fsapo: The preview release should work great :)
[11:02] <Madeye> any idea when hoary will be release?
[11:02] <fsapo> i waiting to move my utk24 folder :)
[11:02] <fsapo> just 8GB haha
[11:02] <adamh> Madeye: April 6th I think
[11:03] <Madeye> adamh,  what about the current release candinate do you recommend to upgrade dist now ?
[11:03] <adamh> fsapo: One of the things I've appreciated most about my setup is that I had the foresight to put /opt in a separate partition :)
[11:03] <fsapo> why /opt?
[11:03] <adamh> Madeye: Hell yeah -- but then again, I always go for the latest stuff
[11:03] <fsapo> i m goint to leave /home in another partition
[11:03] <adamh> fsapo: /opt/ut2k4 :)
[11:03] <adamh> fsapo: /opt/eclipse, /opt/doom3, etc :)
[11:04] <fsapo> i ve installed it in /home/sapo :P
[11:04] <fsapo> i m going to leave /home as anothe partition
[11:04] <mxpxpod> I just installed a hoary preview and it asked me for a root password... I thought root was disabled in ubuntu
[11:04] <adamh> :)
[11:04] <CarlK> mxpxpod - yes
[11:04] <adamh> mxpxpod: It is. It asked you for a user password.
[11:04] <mxpxpod> CarlK: yes to what?
[11:04] <robodex_> arg, I'm back.... anyway, anyone know how to fix the problem where xorg won't start again after the latest nvidia update?
[11:04] <fsapo> mxpxpod, it is but is asks for password when using sudo :P
[11:04] <CarlK> mxpxpod - is there a net install
[11:04] <mxpxpod> adamh: no, it asked me for a root p/w
[11:04] <fsapo> adamh, i m gonna reboot for a reinstall.. just burning the iso :)
[11:04] <adamh> mxpxpod: Hrm. What are you installing? :)
[11:04] <CarlK> mxpxpod - er, Internet or LAN?
[11:05] <adamh> fsapo: Good luck :)
[11:05] <mxpxpod> adamh: hoary
[11:05] <CarlK> mxpxpod - here is how I do my installs: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocalNetInstall
[11:05] <fsapo> adamh, thanx.. i ll need it
[11:05] <mxpxpod> adamh: it was a preview install (not the rc)
[11:05] <fsapo> adamh, if i just intall the fglrx module is goind to work with xorg?
[11:05] <fsapo> or i ll have to install it again?
[11:06] <adamh> fsapo: I don't know -- but if not, it'll be very simple to switch. Check the BinaryDriverHowto on the wiki
[11:06] <adamh> fsapo: You won't have to install anything from ATI
[11:06] <adamh> I'd steer clear of anything ATI gives you -- they reall suck with Linux :)
[11:06] <fsapo> adamh, thanx :)
[11:06] <adamh> Hide behind the panacea that is Ubuntu :)
[11:06] <timson> ok guys, thanx for company, but now time to sleep :) Bye
[11:06] <fsapo> i miss my nvidia Ti4400 Vivo :(
[11:06] <mxpxpod> adamh: the thing is, I thought ubuntu disables root
[11:07] <fsapo> timson, see ya... gn
[11:07] <adamh> mxpxpod: It does. You can use "sudo su" to switch to root, and then type "passwd" to set a root password
[11:07] <adamh> mxpxpod: All it does is makes it so there's no root password...
[11:07] <mxpxpod> adamh: so why did the installer ask me for a root password?
[11:07] <fsapo> mxpxpod, try using the root terminal :)
[11:07] <mxpxpod> and my first user isn't in the sudoer's file
[11:07] <adamh> mxpxpod: A bug? :)
[11:07] <fsapo> mxpxpod, it will ask your question
[11:07] <mxpxpod> fsapo: what?
[11:08] <fsapo> mxpxpod, the root terminal and sudo asks for password
[11:08] <fsapo> isnt it the root password?
[11:08] <LadyRoot> how to make a link on desktop to a terminal program? I check 'run in terminal' but no link is created (hoary, gnome)
[11:08] <DR_K13> type     passwd root
[11:08] <DR_K13> then change it
[11:08] <fsapo> see ya
[11:08] <fsapo> going to reinstall :P
[11:08] <mxpxpod> DR_K13: and shouldn't the first user added be added to sudoer's file?
[11:09] <DR_K13> some distros , you need root access to do that
[11:09] <CarlK> mxpxpod - are you using a preseed file?
[11:09] <mxpxpod> CarlK: preseed?
[11:09] <CarlK> mxpxpod - guess not ;)
[11:09] <mxpxpod> I downloaded it a couple weeks back
[11:10] <CarlK> mxpxpod - when you do the install, you can have all the answers to the setup questions
[11:10] <DR_K13> like ubuntu   root is disabled , so you dont have a password when you first install/
[11:10] <DR_K13> you can sudo  but you  cant get too involved
[11:12] <mxpxpod> DR_K13: right, I know that
[11:12] <DR_K13> mxpx, I just depends on the distro
[11:13] <fuflo> hi. is there a way to run some cmd on boot up without creating an init script?
[11:14] <mxpxpod> DR_K13: what??? I'm installing ubuntu
[11:14] <CarlK> fuflo - you can pass a command as a kernel parameter, like init=/bin/mplayer
[11:14] <CarlK> (or something)
[11:14] <fuflo> :/
[11:15] <kbrooks> CarlK, misunderstood
[11:15] <DR_K13> mxpx, ubunto is great.   You just dont have root access as default
[11:15] <DR_K13> so you need to enable it
[11:15] <DR_K13> you can sudo
[11:15] <kbrooks> DR_K13, .... by doing sudo passwd
[11:16] <mxpxpod> DR_K13: I'm not asking _how_... I'm asking why a fresh install asked me for the root passwd
[11:16] <DR_K13> do "   passwd root "     and change it
[11:16] <kbrooks> you can enable root access by doing sudo passwd
[11:16] <fuflo> im just setting up ubuntu on my vaio notebook and i need to run 855resolution on bootup.. to have 1280x768 resolution and ...
[11:16] <CarlK> mxpxpod - what step asked?
[11:16] <DR_K13> or sudo passwd
[11:18] <randabis> I really like the "server" option in the install. :) flexibility rocks
[11:18] <mxpxpod> CarlK: I can't remember... it was the step before I set up the first user
[11:18] <randabis> bah, I don't see why people get so paranoid over having root disabled
[11:18] <mxpxpod> kbrooks: I don't want to set the root password
[11:18] <mxpxpod> I'm not paranoid about it
[11:19] <randabis> good :)
[11:19] <kbrooks> mxpxpod, What do you want to do?
[11:19] <mxpxpod> I've used ubuntu on this computer since last fall and I love having root disabled
[11:19] <mxpxpod> kbrooks: I want to know why the installer asked me for a root password
[11:19] <randabis> great. :)
[11:19] <DR_K13> yA It dosent matter,  but I do like to have full control
[11:19] <mxpxpod> and how to disable it now that root is set
[11:19] <randabis> mxpxpod: it did? that's strange
[11:19] <kbrooks> mxpxpod, hold on.
[11:20] <randabis> mxpxpod: sudo passwd -l root I believe
[11:20] <CarlK> mxpxpod - I think the server install asks for a root pw
[11:20] <dhonn> I just ordered 30 hoary hedgehog cds woohoo!
[11:20] <DR_K13> why 30?
[11:20] <mxpxpod> CarlK: I did a regular install
[11:20] <codyman> when ubuntu boots it on my comp it stalls at "configuring network" for about 1 to 2 minutes because i have to manually enter my wep key once I booted up.. is there a way i can reduce the timeout to 10 secs or so?
[11:20] <randabis> CarlK: no it doesn't. I've done 2 server installs in the last 24 hours
[11:21] <dhonn> cause I give them away to small business
[11:21] <randabis> codyman: why not add the key to /etc/network/interfaces?
[11:21] <scott> anyone know where xdm sessions are stored?
[11:21] <randabis> mxpxpod: sudo passwd -l root will disable the root account
[11:21] <CarlK> ok, nm the server install... Ihaven't done one in a few days ;)
[11:22] <mxpxpod> randabis: thank you
[11:22] <randabis> CarlK: expert install "maybe"
[11:22] <CarlK> trying to compile something, ./configure errors: configure: error: could not find readline header files
[11:22] <CarlK> anyoneknow what readline header is?
[11:22] <oXeN> where does ubuntu mount network shares with samba? what path?
[11:22] <randabis> CarlK: do you have build-essential installed?
[11:22] <oXeN> I am looking for the path on my system for the networked "E" drive
[11:22] <codyman> randabis: i'll try that
[11:22] <kbrooks> CarlK, dpkg -s build-essential
[11:22] <CarlK> randabis - maybe not... I have 4 boxes that I have been testing installs on
[11:23] <CarlK> Package `build-essential' is not installed
[11:23] <sid> hi
[11:23] <randabis> CarlK: definitely make sure you have build-essential installed before trying to compile stuff :)
[11:23] <kbrooks> CarlK, install it
[11:23] <PacoBCN> can someone tell me what's this all "spatial" thing I'm hearing around?
[11:23] <CarlK> damm...  installing
[11:23] <CarlK> randabis - does that include the autogen stuff?
[11:23] <codyman> randabis: where do i add it
[11:23] <mxpxpod> PacoBCN: it's been around for a while :)
[11:24] <sid> i've got a little problem: i want to install ubuntu on my laptop, which has no dvd drive, but i only got a dvd with 5.04 on it. How can i install ubuntu on my laptop without loading large cds?
[11:24] <difekta>  gdm.conf contains the phrase, "kick in the ass"
[11:24] <PacoBCN> mxpxpod, I know, but I couldn't realize what it is
[11:24] <kbrooks> hate != (freedom == heaven)
[11:24] <randabis> CarlK: I believe so
[11:24] <CarlK> sid - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocalNetInstall
[11:24] <sid> i have another pc with a dvd drive, and network is no problem
[11:25] <kbrooks> hate == (freedom != heaven)
[11:25] <mxpxpod> PacoBCN: google for "nautilus spatial"
[11:25] <sid> thanks CarlK
[11:25] <CarlK> sid - assuming your laptop supports netboot, which if it has a dvd i bet it does
[11:25] <randabis> codyman: wireless_key yourkey
[11:25] <sid> CarlK: its a really old laptop, it doesnt support netboot ;)
[11:25] <sid> no chanche
[11:26] <sid> -h
[11:26] <randabis> just add a line in /etc/network/interfaces; preferably under wireless_essid
[11:26] <CarlK> bummer
[11:26] <oXeN> where does ubuntu mount network shares with samba? what path?
[11:26] <CarlK> sid - does it have a built in nic
[11:26] <randabis> oXeN: no idea. I don't use windows :/
[11:26] <kbrooks> oXeN, look in mount.
[11:26] <sid> yes
[11:26] <oXeN> kbrooks: did that nothing there
[11:26] <randabis> oXeN: could be in /mnt or /net
[11:26] <oXeN> althought it shows up under "Places"
[11:26] <kbrooks> oXeN, mount it!
[11:26] <oXeN> let me check /net
[11:26] <CarlK> sid - then you can probably make a floppy that will do the net boot thing
[11:26] <mxpxpod> PacoBCN: basically, it opens up a new "window" for each directory you open
[11:27] <codyman> randabis: anywhere or in areas like "primary network interface"
[11:27] <sid> and it work without any problems with mandrake, but i dont really like mandrake
[11:27] <CarlK> sid -  http://etherboot.sourceforge.net
[11:27] <mxpxpod> PacoBCN: under ubuntu, they've changed the spatial model to opening a directory in a new window and closing the parent dir's window
[11:27] <oXeN> kbrooks: if it shows up in Places wouldnt it be mounted?
[11:27] <sid> CarlK: thanks, i'll try it
[11:27] <randabis> codyman: one sec, I'll show you what mine looks like
[11:27] <kbrooks> mxpxpod, not 'they'.
[11:27] <kbrooks> not ubuntu
[11:27] <mxpxpod> kbrooks: really?
[11:27] <codyman> randabis: just pm me your config
[11:27] <kbrooks> but rather the upstream developers
[11:28] <mxpxpod> kbrooks: you sure?
[11:28] <PacoBCN> mxpxpod, I thought everybody used the "open in browser window"
[11:28] <kbrooks> yes really. ask #gnome
[11:28] <Arnia> PacoBCN: I prefer spatial... its better for working with large numbers of files across many locations IMO
[11:29] <kbrooks> me too
[11:29] <mxpxpod> I love spatial
[11:29] <Arnia> PacoBCN: Took time to get used to it, but now I work much faster
[11:29] <mxpxpod> at first I didn't like it... but then I got used to it and I won't go back
[11:29] <PacoBCN> Arnia, I prefer right the window browser because I manage large amount of files
[11:30] <kbrooks> Arnia, windows doeesnt use ths style
[11:30] <randabis> codyman: http://www.pastebin.com/266261
[11:30] <mxpxpod> kbrooks: I wasn't saying that ubuntu switched to spatial... I was saying they changed the behavior of spatial
[11:30] <kbrooks> Arnia, damn microsoft :P
[11:30] <kbrooks> Arnia, well, it doesnt use it by default IIRC
[11:30] <kbrooks> it has been so long since i used windows
[11:30] <Arnia> kbrooks: I wish they did. They implemented a half-arsed version of spatial in 98 :p
[11:31] <PacoBCN> I thought you could already have this behavior previously by clicking Ctrl or Alt while clicking in a folder
[11:31] <OxDECAFBAD> ding dong the pope is dead, the pope is dead, the pope is dead, ding dong the holy pope is dead
[11:31] <smouche> this will be off topic, but can anyone point me to instructions on how to get a terminal running in the root window at every start up?  Linux newbie here...
[11:31] <mxpxpod> OxDECAFBAD: shut up
[11:31] <OxDECAFBAD> you shut up
[11:31] <kbrooks> mxpxpod, be nice
[11:31] <kbrooks> OxDECAFBAD, be nice
[11:31] <mxpxpod> Arnia: I'm not catholic and that offends me :)
[11:31] <DR_K13> play nice little Kids
[11:32] <mxpxpod> kbrooks: I'll try...
[11:32] <kbrooks> you both better obey the ubuntu coc, mxpxpod and OxDECAFBAD
[11:32] <codyman> randabis: thanks
[11:32] <pvh> ubuntu.
[11:32] <PacoBCN> Pope is death, new vacancy for high bank manager...
[11:32] <randabis> heh
[11:32] <PacoBCN> sorry
[11:32] <smouche> lol, pvh!
[11:33] <kbrooks> ubuntu and the pope fit
[11:33] <PacoBCN> I had to say it
[11:33] <kbrooks> ;)
[11:33] <mxpxpod> ok, gotta let my wife use the computer
[11:33] <pvh> there were many good and noble things about the pope.
[11:33] <PacoBCN> pvh, yes, he was a good manager
[11:33] <AcidWolf> i cant get wine to compile
[11:33] <smouche> high point for me was his sitting down with the guy who shot him.
[11:34] <mjr> AcidWolf, apt-get build-dep wine might help, even if you want to build another version
[11:34] <AcidWolf> ty ty
[11:34] <Arnia> PacoBCN: Spatial is worth getting used to. It feels much more natural once you let 'browser mode' slip away
[11:34] <kbrooks> smouche, did the pope forgive him
[11:34] <smouche> yep
[11:34] <AcidWolf> mjr i got the source
[11:34] <kbrooks> good
[11:34] <AcidWolf> wine isnt in the repo
[11:34] <AcidWolf> only wine docs
[11:35] <kbrooks> smouche, hell sucks
[11:35] <PacoBCN> Arnia, browser mode is much faster because it shows more data
[11:35] <mjr> AcidWolf, umm, do you have x64?
[11:35] <AcidWolf> no
[11:35] <AcidWolf> PPC
[11:35] <PacoBCN> Arnia, I mean faster to handle
[11:35] <mjr> 32, I mean
[11:35] <bigvega> hy all
[11:35] <mjr> AcidWolf, Wine isn't an emulator
[11:35] <mjr> AcidWolf, only runs on x86
[11:35] <kbrooks> er!
[11:35] <AcidWolf> sigh
[11:35] <Arnia> PacoBCN: More information != faster to handle
[11:35] <smouche> for fast file browsing with easily sorted info, I prefer rox-filer.
[11:35] <AcidWolf> well then why do they say its os independent
[11:35] <Arnia> PacoBCN: Its usually distracting
[11:36] <kbrooks> i guess il l just dedicate 3 gb
[11:36] <PacoBCN> Arnia, the alphabetic sort usually helps ;)
[11:36] <mjr> if you really need it, you might try to fiddle around with qemu+wine, but dunno about that
[11:36] <pvh> AcidWolf: OS independent is not Hardware independent
[11:36] <mjr> AcidWolf, because it is
[11:36] <AcidWolf> oh ok
[11:36] <bigvega> spricht da wer deutsch??
[11:36] <AcidWolf> so then im basiclly screwed from all angles
[11:37] <Arnia> PacoBCN: spatial is sorted :p
[11:37] <dravine> hello all
[11:37] <dravine> what's the command for configuring soundcards in ubuntu?
[11:37] <dravine> sndconfig isn't present.
[11:37] <PacoBCN> Arnia, so it's same as browser but with more clicks to do the same thing?
[11:38] <bigvega> why did the 2.6.11 kernel frezz my desktop every time??
[11:38] <Arnia> PacoBCN: The only difference is that the UI for spatial is simpler and the views are more like real objects. No extra clicks
[11:38] <mjr> AcidWolf, here's some stuff from someone who's gotten wine to work with qemu on an rpm based distro, you may be able to apply some of it: http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/pipermail/yellowdog-general/2004-June/014468.html
[11:38] <difekta> the pope is dead.  long live the pope.
[11:38] <kbrooks> ok
[11:38] <christian> salu
[11:38] <kbrooks> that was quick
[11:38] <AcidWolf> ty mjr
[11:38] <christian> ouai et toi comment tu t apzel
[11:38] <christian> t apel*
[11:38] <AcidWolf> the whole point of this evil exercise is to be able to play .ASF files
[11:38] <christian>  t apel
[11:39] <Arnia> PacoBCN: wb
[11:39] <mjr> AcidWolf, ok, well, I'd guess it wouldn't be fast enough (but I'm not sure, since I've never tried :)
[11:39] <PacoBCN> thx
[11:39] <AcidWolf> i wanted to emulate w32codecs i386 using wine
[11:40] <chimaera> hi.
[11:40] <smouche> PacoBCN, you should try rox-filer.  Lots of easy one click re-sorting, stable, a lot of info presented compactly, very quick to switch views
[11:40] <acs> hellp
[11:40] <acs> hello*
[11:41] <PacoBCN> smouche, nice tip, thanks
[11:41] <chimaera> i'm trying to use ubuntu's gnome2.10 pakages under debian but somehow they screw up my kde-menu. if i remove gnome again, everything works fine again.any ideas?
[11:41] <PacoBCN> smouche, anyway, I'm pretty happy with Nautilus
[11:41] <acs> I have a problem here with my keyboar, when I set the layout to portuguese there are some keys that don't work
[11:41] <Arnia> PacoBCN: Spatial doesn't use any more clicks...
[11:41] <acs> like this one >
[11:41] <hehu> i just installed hoary release candidate and would like to get sound to work
[11:41] <PacoBCN> Arnia, well, how do you do drag and drop?
[11:42] <acs> anyone know how to set this right
[11:42] <PacoBCN> from folder /baslkda/* to /ajsdjh/*
[11:42] <acs> ?
[11:42] <Arnia> PacoBCN: You drag from one folder to another
[11:42] <Arnia> PacoBCN: Or you cut and paste... what ever's your poison
[11:42] <Riddell> chimaera: what did they screw up?
[11:43] <PacoBCN> Arnia, then you need 2 windows or surf again between folders not shown
[11:43] <PacoBCN> anyway, this doesn't matter at all
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[11:43] <chimaera> Riddell: a) the icons of the categories are missing b) sub-categories are missing c) i can't edit the menus as user anymore.
[11:44] <kbrooks> i need the spatrial look
[11:44] <kbrooks> i want to try it0
[11:44] <gunnzi11> hehu: if you righ click on the speaker icon in the upper right hand corner of the screen and select "Open Volume Control" you should be able to configure your soundcard
[11:44] <kbrooks> how do i set this up
[11:44] <Arnia> PacoBCN: Yes? And how is browser better?
[11:45] <osity> so i changed the ownership of a file ...but the group is under users.....what does that mean
[11:45] <chelu2k> Hi
[11:45] <chelu2k> I'm noob in linux
[11:45] <osity> the group part
[11:45] <whiteknight> hi chelu2k
[11:45] <acs> can anyone help me out????????
[11:45] <osity> i only want the owner to access that directory
[11:45] <chelu2k> I just mount my ntfs partition on ubuntu, but I can't get read permision
[11:45] <PacoBCN> Arnia, I just love browser because I open 2 window and I have everything
[11:45] <kbrooks> osity, it mweans that if you di e.g. chmod a+x file, the users (duh) can access the file
[11:45] <chelu2k> what can i do?
[11:45] <smouche> with "spatial"  I just got sick of having to hit ^W to get rid of all the accumulating windows; and nautilus cascades them too tightly ...  Rox rules, especially for drag and drop.
[11:45] <kbrooks> chelu2k, easy
[11:45] <chelu2k> (sry my bad english)
[11:45] <kbrooks> chelu2k, noauto,user
[11:46] <kbrooks> er.
[11:46] <kbrooks> s/noauto//
[11:46] <Arnia> smouche: That's changed
[11:46] <acs> how do I set the < key to work in the pt keyboard layout
[11:46] <osity> if i di?
[11:46] <chelu2k> oh ok
[11:46] <osity> what's that?
[11:46] <smouche> Arnia, what, the cascading?  Is it smarter now?
[11:46] <chelu2k> noauto,user thx
[11:46] <kbrooks> chelu2k, no
[11:46] <kbrooks> just user
[11:46] <chelu2k> only user?
[11:46] <dravine> How do you configure sound cards in ubuntu?
[11:47] <kbrooks> and s/word/replacement/
[11:47] <kbrooks> btw.
[11:47] <Arnia> smouche: It now (by default) opens the next folder and closes the current. The next folder opens where it last opened as is the core point of spatial
[11:47] <kbrooks> only user
[11:47] <kbrooks> How do I enable the spatial look?
[11:47] <osity> kbrooks:  what if I want only the owner to acess that directory .....what do i do to the group?
[11:48] <smouche> ah, interesting, Arnia.  That sounds much more sensible.
[11:48] <kbrooks> osity, chmod g-x file....or uncheck the entry in nautilus
[11:48] <kbrooks> osity, man chmod for more.
[11:48] <kbrooks> How do I enable the spatial look???
[11:48] <dhonn> but the backspace doesnt have the same functionality as the folder button
[11:48] <kbrooks> Anyone?
[11:48] <Arnia> PacoBCN: I work in three or four or more folders simultaneously... the extra browser chrome is distracting. I also open and close large numbers of folders frequently (I'm a zope3 developer and so work across large folder hierarchies)  so I like them to open in the place on the desktop I put them
[11:48] <osity> kbrooks:  what is g-x?
[11:48] <Arnia> kbrooks: Spatial should already be running
[11:49] <dhonn> its on by default
[11:49] <kbrooks> Arnia, how do I find out?
[11:49] <osity> kbrooks: is that what i type
[11:49] <dhonn> the new interface is really good
[11:49] <kbrooks> osity, group: disable execute
[11:49] <kbrooks> osity, a, o, etc
[11:49] <PacoBCN> Arnia, well, in that case I guess it depends on how easy you get distracted
[11:49] <smouche> guys, I'd like to be able to have a terminal running all the time in the root window - is that easily doable?  for a noob?
[11:49] <kbrooks> osity, and yes, you type that in a gnome-terminal
[11:49] <bosewicht> last night i was trying to get a wpc11 v4 wireless card to work, it looks like i need ndiswrapper 0.8  anyone know where i can get this package?
[11:50] <osity> kbrooks: thanks
[11:50] <DR_K13> google ndiswrapper
[11:50] <kbrooks> osity, fill in the file
[11:50] <PacoBCN> smouche, sure, you need to create a root password, then
[11:50] <whiteknight> ndiswrapper.sf.net
[11:50] <Arnia> PacoBCN: I disagree... its just a matter of screen real estate
[11:50] <kbrooks> osity, BUT WAIT. ill show you a ss
[11:50] <bosewicht> lol...i looked on every result and couldn't find it...
[11:50] <kbrooks> of a file property window
[11:50] <Arnia> PacoBCN: Spatial is more a more logical way to manage the space
[11:50] <PacoBCN> Arnia, well, I don't get distracted, and I do everything much faster
[11:50] <whiteknight> bosewicht, ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net
[11:51] <Arnia> kbrooks: System > Preferences > File management > Behaviour -- check that the tick box 'open in browser windows' *isn't* ticked
[11:51] <PacoBCN> one window for everything, that's how I like it, and I even show the conf and support folders
[11:51] <bosewicht> yes and they don't have version 0.8...i found a tar.gz of version 8 but the build script kept throwing errors
[11:51] <osity> kbrooks: but if i leace the read attribute can it still be accesed....
[11:51] <kbrooks> osity, by who?
[11:52] <kbrooks> user? i haven't tried. group? no, not by the group
[11:52] <PacoBCN> But Linux is also the oportunity to choose so each one take what likes more
[11:52] <Arnia> PacoBCN: Then use browser... but I switched from browser when I realised just how much I was fighting the UI. Its worth immersing yourself in spatial
[11:52] <smouche> hmm, not sure I understand, PacoBCN -- you mean I'd have to log-in as root?  Couldn't I just get sudo to not ask regular user for a password?
[11:52] <kbrooks> smouche,
[11:52] <whiteknight> bosewicht, why don't you use 1.1?
[11:52] <PacoBCN> smouche, you wanted a terminal as root, right?
[11:53] <smouche> PacoBCN-- I misphrased that
[11:53] <kbrooks> smouche, a disabled account is an account where the password is not specified in the /etc/passwd file
[11:53] <bosewicht> b/c on the ndiswrapper site, the support for the wpc11 v4 isn't there anymore, for some reason the card only works with 0.8
[11:53] <smouche> what I mean is, I want the desktop to appear to have a terminal embedded in it, where the wallpaper would normally be
[11:53] <smouche> sorry
[11:54] <kbrooks> smouche, x doesn't count, the truth is in /etc/shadow
[11:54] <osity> kbrooks: by other people....other than the owner...
[11:54] <kbrooks> osity, o-x
[11:54] <kbrooks> :P
[11:54] <kbrooks> o-r
[11:54] <kbrooks> o-w
[11:55] <smouche> (yeah, I'm in over my head here)
[11:55] <acs> HEY!!!!!
[11:55] <kbrooks> smouche,
[11:55] <acs> can someone help me out or not?
[11:55] <kbrooks> acs: ASK
[11:55] <osity> kbrooks: you have -  do you mean +?
[11:55] <acs> I DID
[11:55] <kbrooks> acs: please repeat
[11:55] <kbrooks> at least once
[11:56] <kbrooks> osity, YMMV
[11:56] <PacoBCN> hey, I just installed Zinf, doesn't look bad at all! Good features. Don't know why I heard about it before
[11:56] <acs> how do I make the > key work in the pt keyboard layout
[11:56] <whiteknight> bosewicht, thats really strange, give me a sec, might have an idea for somewhere to get 0.8
[11:56] <black_Nightmare> hey there
[11:56] <acs> I am using the english keyboar layout
[11:56] <kbrooks> acs: what does pt mean?
[11:56] <smouche> PacoBCN, I used to use Zinf in windows, loved it.
[11:56] <acs> the pt layoy
[11:56] <osity> and -r -w -x for all the other (group and others)
[11:56] <acs> the portuguese
[11:57] <acs> and there are other keys that dont work
[11:57] <PacoBCN> smouche, well, I just found it in Ubuntu :)
[11:57] <Arnia> PacoBCN: Have you tried Muine?
[11:57] <acs> the shift also doesnt work
[11:57] <black_Nightmare> any of you know if its possible for ubuntu to ignore any extra processors if its already not supporting them? (or the kernel itself whatever)
[11:57] <PacoBCN> Arnia, yes but it's mono
[11:57] <PacoBCN> Arnia, I mean, it requires mono libs
[11:57] <acs> kbrooks, so...
[11:57] <smouche> acs, you should repeat your original question with specifics, for people who might not have seen it before -- someone might log in who can help you, but you need to be patient
[11:58] <Arnia> PacoBCN: Yeah... but IMO its the most intuitive music player I've found
[11:58] <PacoBCN> Arnia, and the usability experience, again, didn't worth the try in my case :)
[11:58] <osity> kbrooks: what is ymmv?
[11:58] <acs> smouche, I just repeated the question
[11:58] <PacoBCN> Arnia, haha
[11:58] <kbrooks> osity, your mileage may vary
[11:58] <PacoBCN> Arnia, we're not gonna agree in user experience, are we? :)
[11:58] <acs> I cant make the < key work in the portugues keyboard layoyt
[11:58] <osity> :)
[11:58] <black_Nightmare> hmm..anyone? :p
[11:58] <acs> and also the Shift key
[11:58] <acs> that doesnt work
[11:59] <kbrooks> acs: Strange......
[11:59] <whiteknight> bosewicht, does this help? http://www.linuxvoodoo.com/resources/howtos/linksysv4/
[11:59] <Arnia> PacoBCN: What i want to do with a music player is queue up songs to play from a library of my music... no visualisation, no distractions. I just want it to build a playlist and play it
[11:59] <acs> kbrooks, yeah I think so too
[11:59] <Arnia> PacoBCN: Plus Muine sends signals over DBUS I can catch :)
[11:59] <acs> and I cant work with this in english layout because I dont know the settings of this
[11:59] <PacoBCN> Arnia, same thing, but I have 30 gigs of music in my laptop and I want something which will handle them quickly
[11:59] <acs> were the question mark is
[12:00] <acs> and other stuff