[12:02] <Riddell> gdh: the topic isn't locked :)
[12:05] <gdh> oh :) am too used to it being so on big channels
[12:05] <randabis> hehe
[12:10] <sander__> Does anyone else have problems with Konqueror pegging the CPU when logging on to the wiki?
[12:12] <sander__> It doesn't happen every time, but it happens about  time in 3 Konqueror just pegs the CPU and stalls. I'm not sure if it's my connection or not.
[12:14] <apokryphos> sander__: Yup. If you check top, kio_http is going crazy
[12:15] <sander__> apokryphos: thanks. I thought I might be the only one. :)
[12:16] <randabis> hmm
[12:16] <apokryphos> It's probably worth filing a bug report for that
[12:16] <apokryphos> for me it only really happens after I log in/edit page
[12:16] <randabis> I actually had konqueror crash on me a few minutes ago
[12:16] <randabis> surprised the hell out of me
[12:17] <randabis> I did a reinstall today so I could get rid of all the pesky gnome stuff in ubuntu-desktop :p
[12:17] <apokryphos> hehe
[12:18] <apokryphos> konq on here though has actually never crashed for me. Konqi is my baby. 8)
[12:20] <sander__> Konq is the crown jewel of KDE that's sure. I do think they'll have to do something about the web browsing, just because it takes so much development to keep up, but I'll use it as my main browser until then.
[12:22] <gdh> konq has always felt fragile to me, but I still prefer it all to GNOME :)
[12:22] <apokryphos> when it starts running up, just kill kio_http
[12:22] <robodex> hey.... I have a problem; I just updated a bunch of stuff and now kde won't start. as a matter of fact, it COMPLETELY hangs the computer when it attempts to start :\
[12:23] <gdh> am doing a dist-upgrade at the moment so I guess I'll find out tomorrow if everything hangs
[12:23] <sander__> robodex: Does it hang before x starts?
[12:23] <robodex> nope, just when I start kde
[12:23] <robodex> any other wm works fine
[12:23] <gdh> I sure can't be doing with debugging X startup right now :)
[12:23] <robodex> I'm on xfce right now :p
[12:24] <sander__> Hmmm don't know then. I've had problems with the latest k7 kernels, but not kde.
[12:24] <randabis> maybe backup .kde and remove it
[12:25] <kioels> gdh now its ok
[12:25] <robodex> well it's kinda strange that it hangs the entire computer
[12:26] <gdh> kioels: <checks topic history> damn I need my eyes tested again
[12:26] <robodex> it'll load a progress bar, and then it'll kinda stop for a second, and then it'll load a bunch of icons, and then it hangs
[12:37] <smouche> Can kubuntu run Mono apps?
[12:37] <gsuveg> smouche: if you install mono?
[12:38] <gsuveg> Version: 1.0.5-1
[12:38] <delltony_> hey isn't there a place where you an go and change the login theme? not the splash but the actual login
[12:39] <smouche> that might be a good place for me to look first, actually -- ;-) gsuveg
[12:39] <motaboy> delltony: /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[12:39] <delltony_> that changes the gui?
[12:39] <motaboy> delltony: there's also a in development gui on kde-apps to do this.
[12:39] <smouche> I was assuming that mono was mainly a gnome thing...
[12:39] <gsuveg> smouche: but its not very fresh...
[12:39] <motaboy> delltony: it changes the kdm theme
[12:40] <delltony_> was just curious ill look at it thanks
[12:40] <motaboy> delltony: if you go to kde-themes.org you can find various themes and the istructions to use them
[12:41] <smouche> hmmm -- this may be more than I wanted to deal with, dependency wise... just wondering if I could get muine or tomboy to run on kubuntu...
[12:42] <esher> i miss a nice "terminal" font for the x-console windows (pftp) ; any help ?
[12:42] <esher> fixed width
[12:42] <esher> and with ascii-code
[12:42] <smouche> oops -- I see, "mono" is synaptic is just a meta-package...
[12:42] <uniq> motaboy: kde-themes, you mean kde-look.org? 
[12:43] <motaboy> uniq: yes. :D
[12:43] <uniq> kinda hoped there was a new theme site out there.. until the host didnt resolv :/
[12:44] <smouche> gsuveg, I already have mono core files, but I can't get muine or tomboy to start...  
[12:44] <motaboy> smouche: don't you use apt to install muine?
[12:46] <smouche> motaboy, I used synaptic, just so I could easily see the info and dependencies.
[12:46] <smouche> a lot of mono stuff was installed with it
[12:47] <motaboy> smouche: ok. just to be sure that you used the debian package management
[12:48] <smouche> well, I need to look at the docs for this stuff...
[12:49] <smouche> The Tomboy web site isn't very informative.
[12:56] <gdh> Riddell: Still with us?
[12:56] <loren> what's the command to set a rood password?
[12:56] <gdh> you don't need one
[12:56] <Riddell> gdh: oh aye
[12:56] <gdh> get over it :)
[12:57] <gdh> loren: sudo -s for a root shell. use your own use password. you have full sudo rights
[12:57] <gdh> Riddell: Any chance of getting https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kdepim-users/2005-March/003934.html into kitchensync?
[12:57] <loren> k
[12:57] <gdh> PocketPC Konnector, etc.
[12:57] <gdh> Riddell: easy compile, really just ./configure and make
[12:57] <gdh> just loads of depends...
[12:58] <gdh> all satisfyable in Kubuntu already
[12:58] <loren> what's the command to run the first time wizard?
[12:58] <Riddell> gdh: want to make us a package?
[12:59] <gdh> Riddell: should it be necessary? kitchensync already has all the other Konnectors in /usr/lib/ ...
[12:59] <gdh> and it's only another 15K of compiled code, etc.
[12:59] <Blissex> loren: 'kpersonalizer' probably...
[12:59] <gdh> prob 5K when gzipped
[01:00] <loren> thank you
[01:00] <gdh> Riddell: Sorry, my mistake /usr/lib/libsyncekonnector.so 180K ...
[01:00] <apokryphos> Riddell: would you prefer us to submit made .debs when suggesting packages?
[01:01] <Blissex> loren: that is the ''first time program'' for KDE, not for the system as a whole.
[01:01] <Riddell> apokryphos: of course :)
[01:01] <gdh> Bah :) 
[01:01] <Riddell> we need more kubuntu people in MOTU
[01:01] <gdh> I'd make The Worst Package in the World :)
[01:02] <Riddell> gdh: well if it's a separate project it has to be a separate package
[01:02] <loren> i know ;)
[01:02] <gdh> Oh, I thought the qtopia / local / remote konnectors were seperate things..
[01:02] <loren> MOTU?
[01:02] <apokryphos> Riddell: I'll submit some to you soon, so watch out ;-)
[01:03] <gdh> Riddell: Was just hoping to get it into the hoary release =)
[01:03] <apokryphos> loren: Masters/Maintainers of the Universe
[01:03] <apokryphos> heh
[01:03] <gdh> haha :)
[01:05] <randabis> apokryphos: taking advantage of build-dep? :)
[01:05] <apokryphos> Heh, sure.
[01:06] <Pointwood> hrm...why did I get that kpersonalizier wizard when I restarted?
[01:07] <apokryphos> Pointwood: you altered your .kde, or some other such thing?
[01:08] <Pointwood> no
[01:08] <Pointwood> I updated my system with synaptic earlier
[01:09] <apokryphos> Could be it, I guess; sounds unlikely though. You had 3.4 before, of course, I presume...
[01:10] <Pointwood> yes
[01:10] <Pointwood> hey! now I got the qt version of Firefox
[01:10] <Riddell> Pointwood: err you sure?
[01:10] <gdh> didn't know such a thing was on the go...
[01:10] <gdh> I knew of the 'Kecko' project...
[01:11] <delltony_> the qt version of firefox where you find that at?
[01:11] <Riddell> Pointwood: do you mean gtk-qt theme engine?
[01:11] <Pointwood> yeah
[01:11] <Pointwood> sorry :)
[01:11] <delltony_> oh
[01:11] <delltony_> nevermind
[01:11] <gdh> heh :)
[01:11] <Pointwood> someone hasn't secretly developed a FF clone in Qt :p
[01:11] <randabis> QT firefox?
[01:12] <randabis> that would be...strange
[01:12] <randabis> haha
[01:12] <Riddell> Pointwood: qt mozilla has happened several times, never sucessfully
[01:12] <randabis> it'd be like...gtk opera hehe
[01:14] <Pointwood> maybe I should run apt-get kubuntu-default-settings
[01:23] <delltony_> hhaa this sound is strange, if i hook up speakers to my system the master control controls the volume for the whole thing, but if the speakers are not plugged in master has no control on the sound at all
[01:23] <delltony_> haha
[01:25] <uniq> delltony_: maybe you've plugged the speakers to the surround output? 
[01:25] <delltony_> yeah but the thing is unplugged master doesn't do anything at all on this lappy
[01:25] <delltony_> nothing nada
[01:26] <delltony_> put if it has speakers hooked up then and only then will master control the output sound to the speakers only that is though
[01:27] <Riddell> anyone want to check that over?  apokryphos, motaboy?
[01:28] <gdh> aside from the HTTPS cert being self-signed?
[01:28] <gdh> konq has got itself into a loop with that :/
[01:28] <gdh> The server certificate failed the authenticity test (www.ubuntulinux.org). -> continue -> forever -> The server certificate failed the authenticity test (www.ubuntulinux.org). -> conmtinue -> forever
[01:28] <gdh> etc.
[01:29] <apokryphos> Riddell: Cool; I'm gonna go for the Making packages part. I certainly want to help out. :)
[01:29] <motaboy> Riddell: I am for the packaging+[program] 
[01:29] <gdh> ah it's doing it for each image.
[01:29] <apokryphos> Riddell: doing some documentation too on the side, when I can.
[01:30] <gdh> Riddell: I've only done binary packages up to now - will look at the lib side :)
[01:30] <motaboy> gdh: you setted konq to not accpet cookies  for that site
[01:30] <gdh> motaboy: interesting, "Unable to start the cookie handler service." ... so that explans the symptoms .. :)
[01:30] <apokryphos> Riddell: I've read a few little tidbits on making packages; do you have anything to recommend?
[01:30] <uniq> riddell: i'm probably in for packaging+translation+documentation.. 
[01:31] <motaboy> gdh: kded died.
[01:31] <gdh> I just dist-upgraded earlier so it's probably symbols..
[01:31] <motaboy> gdh: try restarting it
[01:31] <gdh> yeh..
[01:31] <uniq> need to get back from this vacation hell (dialup).. to get going.. 
[01:36] <Riddell> apokryphos: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ is the usual guide to get started
[01:37] <apokryphos> thanks
[01:37] <Riddell> uniq: cool
[01:39] <delltony_> yeha i'm gonna go and read about that id like to help too i'm not a developer only do little coding here and there on the side but would like to aid to the success of kubuntu
[01:41] <Riddell> yay, feel the kubuntu love
[01:41] <Riddell> LeeJunFan: it does/
[01:41] <Riddell> LeeJunFan: it does?
[01:41] <uniq> kuickshow rocks.
[01:41] <Riddell> I find kuickshow atrocious
[01:41] <apokryphos> same
[01:42] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: it does here. I'm looking thru family photo's now. And using right-left arrow keys to move about - going back and forth sometimes causes it to die.
[01:42] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: me too - but it was more stable, at least for this.
[01:42] <LeeJunFan> man kids grow up fast.
[01:43] <gdh> No manual entry for kids
[01:43] <gdh> No manual entry for grow
[01:43] <gdh> No manual entry for up
[01:43] <gdh> No manual entry for fast.
[01:43] <gdh> Sorry :)
[01:43] <LeeJunFan> hahah! nice.
[01:46] <Riddell> LeeJunFan: hmm, never had problems like that, you might want to submit a report to bugs.kde.org with a backtrace
[01:47] <gdh> Is there a sample debian package for libraries as per 'hello' for binary packages?
[01:50] <Pointwood> how do I make Firefox the default web browser? I've moved FF up in the File Associations part of the control panel, but that doesn't seem to help
[01:50] <Pointwood> ie. when I click on a link in xchat, konqy launches
[01:50] <gdh> control center -> kde components ->  component chooser -> web browser ?
[01:50] <uniq> control center - KDE components - component chooser.
[01:50] <uniq> shit.. you beat me..
[01:50] <gdh> heh
[01:51] <Pointwood> ahh
[01:51] <gdh> The KDE philosophy: 'it's in there somewhere, we've just not got around to writing the docs yet'
[01:52] <Riddell> gdh: nonsense.  all the docs are in there somewhere too, you just can't find them either :)
[01:52] <Pointwood> hehe
[01:52] <gdh> Pointwood: XChat won't be affected by that ...
[01:52] <gdh> Pointwood: You'll have to edit the list of apps manually. A better choice is to use Konversation instead of XChat.
[01:52] <gdh> Riddell: :))
[01:52] <Blissex> gdh: not got around to writing the docs yet is the philosophy of the whole gen X slacker infested open source movement...
[01:53] <Pointwood> gdh: I tried Konversation, but I prefer Xchat
[01:53] <uniq> pointwood: for xchat and gnome stuff.. gconf-editor - /gnome/applications/browser/exec - edit to your liking.
[01:53] <gdh> Blissex: I'm honoured that people stick at the same app for more than 5 mins instead of being 'real hackers' and getting a proof of concept, moving it to a half-finished app and getting bored and looking for new shiny...
[01:54] <gdh> Pointwood: Konv 0.16 (came in since the 5.04 Preview) brings some nice additions.
[01:55] <Pointwood> well, I tried it just after I installed kubuntu
[01:55] <Blissex> gdh: but that's what for example happened to a large part of GNOME :-)
[01:56] <Blissex> gdh: fortunately KDE has a not of nordic european contributors with a lower degree of gen X slacker ''half assed'' attitude.
[01:56] <apokryphos> gdh: 0.17 out on Thursday apparently, woo
[01:56] <gdh> Yes KDE seems more of a Euro thing..
[01:57] <apokryphos> It sure is. Have you looked at the contributor map?
[01:57] <gdh> apokryphos: that's a fast devel cycle.. likely to creep into 5.04 final?
[01:57] <apokryphos> Nah, freeze period is before that. But actually, they're a very slow cycle ;)
[01:57] <apokryphos> 0.15 was out for aaaaages
[01:57] <apokryphos> recent burst
[01:57] <Riddell> interestinly the Gnome map also has more european contributors than North American ones 
[01:58] <gdh> heh
[01:58] <mackito> hi, anybody knows how to listen at this stream with kubuntu? mms://a874.l784138873.c7841.e.lm.akamaistream.net/D/874/7841/v0001/reflector:38873
[01:58] <gdh> mackito: mplayer will do MMS I'm sure
[01:58] <apokryphos> Open Source in general is far more popular in Europe. 
[01:58] <mackito> kaffeine player shows me the name and makes the connection but I ear nothing
[01:58] <gdh> mackito: ... which probably doesn't help you a lot :)
[01:58] <mackito> ok
[01:58] <mackito> i'll try with mplayer
[01:59] <gdh> mplayer is the most 'warezy' of all the players.. if it's a bit dodgy or legally unsure, mplaywe will likely handle it
[02:00] <apokryphos> haha
[02:00] <apokryphos> They do have a *huge* codec pack available, to be sure.
[02:00] <gdh> Yip :)
[02:01] <gdh> I guess that's exactly the reason why Debian main won't touch it with a barge pole
[02:01] <gdh> debian-legal is a great source of entertainment for me :)
[02:03] <apokryphos> how come?
[02:03] <gdh> Just some great fireworks and flamewars on it :)
[02:04] <gdh> I swear a lot of it is just really high level trolling :)
[02:04] <Riddell> uniq, apokryphos, motaboy, gdh: jobs added to https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HelpingKubuntu  sign up now!
[02:04] <apokryphos> heh
[02:05] <Riddell> brainkilla: try running kbuildsycoca and see if it gives error messages
[02:06] <brainkilla> kbuildsycoca
[02:06] <brainkilla> kbuildsycoca running...
[02:06] <brainkilla> Reusing existing ksycoca
[02:06] <brainkilla> kbuildsycoca: ERROR creating database '/var/tmp/kdecache-petar/ksycoca'!
[02:06] <brainkilla> kbuildsycoca: Wrong permissions on directory? Disk full?
[02:06] <gdh> ouch
[02:07] <brainkilla> gdh: r u talkin' to me ;)
[02:08] <uniq> gdh: up for libsyncekonnector? i can assist if you want me to.
[02:08] <gdh> yeh
[02:08] <gdh> uniq: I've managed to get it working locally just pissing about with copying libs to /usr/lib - my debian packaging skills are virtually non-existant
[02:08] <motaboy> brainkilla: you runned it with sudo?
[02:09] <gdh> I've done one binary-only /usr/bin package to date, and that was a bit of a hack :)
[02:09] <motaboy> brainkilla: you runned it with sudo before?
[02:09] <brainkilla> no, plain old me I beleive
[02:10] <motaboy> brainkilla: ls -l /var/tmp/kdecache-petar/ksycoca should give petar as the user. does it?
[02:10] <uniq> gdh: knowing where the files should go is a great start :)
[02:11] <gdh> uniq: fortunately that's trivial :) one .so in /usr/lib, and one .la text file in /usr/lib - nothing else reqd. :)
[02:11] <motaboy> uniq, apokryphos, gdh : ok for metabar?
[02:11] <brainkilla> no, it gives root...
[02:11] <uniq> i'm on the slowest uplink right now.. hard to get anything done.. :/
[02:11] <motaboy> brainkilla: then you have to change their permissions
[02:11] <brainkilla> yeah, I guessed that ;)
[02:11] <apokryphos> motaboy: sorry? :)
[02:11] <brainkilla> thanx for the help
[02:12] <motaboy> apokryphos: ok if I take metabar?
[02:12] <apokryphos> motaboy: sure :). Go ahead.
[02:13] <brainkilla> motaboy: i have a funny problem with kde bluetooth, any expertise on that ;)
[02:13] <motaboy> brainkilla: if I can help you.
[02:13] <apokryphos> motaboy: not sure if it helps, but there's a .deb out there on kde-apps for it
[02:14] <motaboy> apokryphos: ok thanks. I personally like to use cdbs.
[02:14] <brainkilla> in brief the thing is: I can run kbluetoothd as a user, but some protocols are unavailable...
[02:15] <apokryphos> motaboy: sorry, what is that? :)
[02:15] <brainkilla> namely, kio slaves, and kcontrol modules...
[02:15] <Riddell> brainkilla: where did you get kbluetooth from?
[02:15] <Riddell> motaboy: what's the status of your bluetooth packages?
[02:15] <apokryphos> oh
[02:15] <brainkilla> some deb repository
[02:15] <gdh> classy :)
[02:15] <brainkilla> kubuntu doesn't have a package for it...
[02:15] <motaboy> Riddell: I fixed the issues reported bu haggai. I made some question by mail but he didn't already had time to answer.
[02:15] <Riddell> apokryphos, uniq, gdh, motaboy: please put your name on the wiki next to the jobs you're doing
[02:16] <apokryphos> process of now :)
[02:16] <Riddell> motaboy: groovy.  we should get that in for hoary
[02:16] <motaboy> apokryphos: it's the common debian build sistem
[02:16] <gdh> Riddell: Righto. I can't log in until I reboot, (no cookies due to dist-upgrade) and I ain't doing that tonight :)
[02:17] <motaboy> apokryphos: an class based build system. so you don't have to rewrite the wheel every time
[02:17] <brainkilla> DAMN!
[02:17] <brainkilla> it was ksycoca all the time
[02:17] <apokryphos> motaboy: I guess I'll understand that more as I start learning :)
[02:17] <brainkilla> !!! now even bluetooth works!
[02:18] <motaboy> brainkilla: yeah :D
[02:18] <brainkilla> thanx man!!!
[02:19] <motaboy> Riddell: I'm finishing a first deb for koffice 1.4 from cvs.
[02:19] <motaboy> Riddell: finally more users can start playing with it and with krita!
[02:19] <Riddell> motaboy: woo!
[02:19] <Riddell> motaboy: is kexi in there?
[02:20] <motaboy> Riddell: I'm adding also it.
[02:20] <brainkilla> motaboy: when can we expect koffice?
[02:20] <gdh> Does KOffice have an MS-Access-a-like ?
[02:20] <Riddell> gdh: kexi
[02:21] <gdh> Ah :)
[02:21] <gdh> note to self.. use google before asking questions...
[02:21] <motaboy> brainkilla: http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/koffice-1.4-release-plan.html
[02:21] <Riddell> gdh: and unlike openoffice it doesn't use silly non-free java :)
[02:22] <gdh> Yeh, that does seem like a complete Free software faux pas..
[02:22] <gdh> despite what I read on the blog of one Sun employee =)
[02:22] <gdh> 'where does Open-ness begin?' . the app, the library, the OS, the kernel, the CPU?'
[02:22] <gdh> etc.
[02:23] <Riddell> one would imagine the library and compiler would be fairly important to have free :)
[02:23] <gdh> yisyis :)
[02:23] <LeeJunFan> gdh: the mind.
[02:24] <brainkilla> motaboy: I meant the version you're packaging now, the cvs one ;) ?
[02:24] <gdh> LeeJunFan: Would you like a couch to lie on? Tell me about your mother.
[02:24] <apokryphos> uniq, gdh, motaboy: Might be a good idea that we put our names on the packages in progress to avoid any possible confusion; what do you think?
[02:24] <gdh> apokryphos: I think Riddell just suggested that :)
[02:24] <apokryphos> gdh: Oh.. I meant on the SuggestedPackages part...
[02:24] <uniq> apokryphos: sure.
[02:25] <apokryphos> Could do either, I guess; easier if noted on the SuggestedPackage part though, I figure.
[02:25] <gdh> If anyone's editing the page, stick me down for the syncekonnector.
[02:25] <gdh> I can't log in at the mo
[02:26] <uniq> i'll put you there.. 
[02:26] <apokryphos> uniq: could put me under krename while you're there ;-)
[02:26] <Riddell> apokryphos: I see SuggestedPackage as being a place for brainstorming ideas, HelpingKubuntu jobs is ideas that we really want done
[02:26] <uniq> apokryphos: sure.
[02:27] <uniq> i'll take a look at ktechlab and freenx then.. 
[02:28] <apokryphos> Riddell: Oh, sure; I was talking about those that would be packaging... 
[02:28] <gdh> I'll inevitably need a hand with the packaging of the libs, but I guess that's what this chan's for :)
[02:28] <Riddell> uniq: ktechlab has some gnarly dependencies, freenx is tricky too but should just be a case of recompiling the kalyxo stuff
[02:29] <uniq> riddell: i've just been looking at ktechlab.. will have to get a newer version of gpsim too.. so.. i'll put it on hold.
[02:29] <uniq> for now.
[02:30] <Riddell> uniq: yep, that was the trouble I had when I was compiling it
[02:39] <regeya_> hm...juk seems to have improved since I last used it.
[02:39] <regeya_> it seems to handle gstreamer support a lot better, at least. :-)
[02:41] <randabis> dammit
[02:41] <randabis> konqueror crashed again
[02:41] <Riddell> randabis: what were you doing?
[02:42] <gdh> randabis: Have you tried contacting the vendor for support? :)
[02:42] <regeya_> heh
[02:42] <randabis> Riddell: tabbed browsing, 5 tabs, one tab was a java chat applet
[02:42] <randabis> gdh: :p
[02:42] <gdh> Ah, full circle then. Java == $evil :)
[02:42] <Riddell> randabis: any backtrace?
[02:42] <Riddell> motaboy: did you have mdnsresponder packages?
[02:43] <randabis> This backtrace appears to be of no use. This is probably because your packages are built in a way which prevents creation of proper backtraces, or the stack frame was seriously corrupted in the crash. (no debugging symbols found) Using host libthread_db library 
[02:43] <randabis> "/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libthread_db.so.1".
[02:43] <regeya_> whathafuh...? gstreamer is choking on vorbis
[02:43] <regeya_> but mp3s are playing fine :-P
[02:44] <randabis> so, no, unable to create a valid backtrace
[02:44] <uniq> riddell: i added krename to helpingkubuntu.. and now i read your message about "what we really want done".. do you really want it.. or should i remove it from helpingkubuntu.. leaving it in suggested packages or does it matter at all? 
[02:45] <Riddell> uniq: if you're doing it then we want it :)
[02:46] <uniq> apokryphos does it :)
[02:46] <uniq> but ok.. we want it.
[02:46] <uniq> and.. one more thing.. 
[02:46] <uniq> should we remove already packaged stuff from suggested packages? 
[02:47] <apokryphos> uniq: whatwhat. Sorry.. haven't been following.
[02:47] <uniq> apokryphos: you're doing krename? 
[02:47] <apokryphos> uniq: yeah ;-)
[02:47] <apokryphos> Suggested it yesterday (might have actually been today). Great little prog.
[02:48] <uniq> smb4k is packaged.. but it's a old version.. the one in sid is newer.. do we want to re-package it with the newer version? 
[02:49] <faddat> Hey, I just moved from MEPIS to Kubuntu, and I'm just wondering what you all Kubunter's consider Kubuntu's coolest features that Mr. Noob here should check out
[02:49] <uniq> maybe we should take this stuff in -devel? 
[02:49] <apokryphos> faddat: It's probably not too much different to MEPIS, actually. But it's very nice. :)
[02:49] <gdh> faddat: definately apt-get install gnome-desktop - very cool :)
[02:50] <Riddell> uniq: probably not for smb4k since the sid to ubuntu universe package sync will be turned on again soon after release
[02:50] <gdh> :))
[02:50] <uniq> riddell: ah.. ok.
[02:50] <Riddell> uniq: but keep an eye on it
[02:50] <faddat> gdh: don't you touch me with your cancer! ;)
[02:52] <Riddell> anyone got questions about zeroconf support oin KDE?
[02:52] <randabis> dude, it just crashed yet again
[02:52] <randabis> heh
[02:52] <randabis> must be that java app
[02:53] <uniq> riddell: i think it was mentioned on ubuntuforums.org or something.. iirc.
[02:53] <faddat> fair enough
[02:53] <Riddell> uniq: I'm interviewing the developer, need questions
[02:53] <faddat> either way, I like it, so keep up the good work :)!
[02:53] <Riddell> faddat: ubuntu-calendar
[02:55] <gdh> Riddell: I've just glanced through zeroconf.sf.net and none of it means anything to me :)
[02:58] <gdh> I don't really see what's wrong with expecting a DHCP server to be present for Things To Work, etc. :)
[02:58] <motaboy> how can I know which is the right libmysqlclient version to use?
[02:59] <motaboy> libmysqlclient10=mysql 3
[02:59] <motaboy> libmysqlclient12 = mysql4.0
[02:59] <Riddell> motaboy: is one of them in main?
[02:59] <gdh> motaboy: go for 12
[02:59] <motaboy> gdh: ok. it's the same used by qt
[02:59] <Riddell> hmm, 10 and 12 are
[02:59] <gdh> just be aware if you use 12 then any old style small passwords on the 4.x server will no longer work
[02:59] <motaboy> gdh: there alsot the 14 provided by mysql4.1
[03:00] <gdh> you need to upgrade to the much longer hashes
[03:00] <gdh> that came in with mysql 4.0.17 I think
[03:00] <motaboy> gdh: ok thanks. I have to choose it for kexi.
[03:01] <randabis> any plans for kubuntu-calendar? :)
[03:01] <brainZzZ> randabis: hey exo do u know my plans for today 4/20 ?
[03:02] <randabis> ?
[03:02] <Riddell> randabis: hopefully it'll be part of ubuntu-calendar but I don't know if we have enough images
[03:02] <regeya_> ok, I'm trying to remember the command to update gstreamer plugins...not finding...hm...
[03:03] <motaboy> regeya_: gst-register?
[03:03] <regeya_> yeah
[03:04] <regeya_> what's the freakin deal with the juk gst backend and vorbis files???
[03:04] <regeya_> also, I don't buy it that there wasn't any time to get the latest stable vorbis into hoary. :-P
[03:07] <randabis> dunno...my oggs play fine in amarok so that's all I need
[03:07] <segfault2k> hi there
[03:07] <randabis> and audacity makes oggs fine
[03:07] <segfault2k> how can i uninstall openoffice?
[03:07] <segfault2k> without uninstall the entire kubuntu-desktop?
[03:07] <segfault2k> :S
[03:07] <randabis> kubuntu-desktop is safe to remove
[03:08] <randabis> it's just what is called a "meta-package"
[03:08] <segfault2k> yeah?
[03:08] <randabis> meta-packages only call on dependencies, they don't actually contain any data
[03:08] <segfault2k> ahh ok
[03:08] <segfault2k> my mistake :D
[03:08] <gdh> Yes. It won't uninstall your whole system :)
[03:08] <JZA> hi 
[03:08] <gdh> It's a little misleading - don't worry about it
[03:08] <JZA> anyone know how to setup a gateway
[03:08] <JZA> within kubuntu
[03:09] <gdh> JZA: would you like to be any more vague? :)
[03:09] <JZA> I dunno the default KDE networking tool
[03:09] <randabis> setup a gateway? you'll need to be more specific
[03:09] <JZA> ok let me rephrase it
[03:10] <JZA> anyone know the default application to set up networking in KDE
[03:10] <Riddell> JZA: try knetworkconf in kcontrol
[03:10] <JZA> since I aint runn I cant run it from the menu and I want to launch it from the command line
[03:10] <randabis> see above
[03:14] <JZA> thanks 
[03:14] <JZA> I run kcontrol but I think I miss the knetworkconf
[03:15] <gdh> JZA: gateway for what ? what are youtrying to do?
[03:15] <gdh> ip masquerade to share internet connection to a LAN ?
[03:16] <Riddell> HillTop: kcontrol->internet & network->network settings
[03:16] <Riddell> that to JZA not HillTop 
[03:16] <JZA> yeah I dont have network settings :|
[03:17] <Riddell> JZA: apt-get install knetworkconf
[03:17] <JZA> but I tam downloading it
[03:17] <brainZzZ> apt-get install <editor you like>
[03:17] <gdh> nano is already installed :)
[03:17] <gdh> it's all the editor you need =)
[03:17] <JZA> great, thanks
[03:18] <randabis> nano or vi :p
[03:18] <motaboy> gdh: and it's the first editor that i removed :P
[03:19] <gdh> bloody pedants :)
[03:23] <uniq> vim :)
[03:23] <gdh> root@plip:~# vi --version
[03:23] <gdh> VIM - Vi IMproved 6.3 (2004 June 7, compiled Mar  8 2005 01:12:14)
[03:24] <gdh> and I ain't touched any vi/vim nonsense ever :)
[03:24] <motaboy> Night All!
[03:32] <segfault2k> someones uses kpresenter?
[03:32] <segfault2k> in kubuntu
[03:58] <uniq> well.. bed.
[03:58] <uniq> g'nite.
[04:02] <phxguy> any suggestions for a good bittorrent client
[04:03] <gdh> console or UI?
[04:03] <phxguy> ui
[04:04] <gdh> hm, I've only used Azureus for a GUi one... 
[04:04] <gdh> and that was only briefly on windows :)
[04:04] <randabis> I like azureus
[04:05] <phxguy> it looks pretty good but its a  java app isn't it
[04:05] <gdh> yis
[04:06] <sander> apt-cache search torrent yields kdenetwork-kfile-plugins and qtorrent, among others
[04:08] <phxguy> hmmm
[04:10] <randabis> yeah, azureus is java; not a big deal to me
[04:11] <phxguy> not much of a choice is there....  guess ill be downloading Azureus
[04:12] <incubii> hmm im wondering if i should blow away a 45gb partition and put x86 kubuntu on my amd box
[04:12] <incubii> might find some more usefull software in the x86 repositries compared to the ppc ones :D
[04:13] <phxguy> kubuntu doesn't take nearly that much space....
[04:13] <incubii> well win2k3 has a 20gb and a 50gb partition and a spare 45gb
[04:13] <incubii> just waiting for the final release
[04:14] <incubii> of course what would really suck is if i still needed to use the terminal to dialin
[04:14] <phxguy> my kubuntu install is taking less than 10Gigs including 3gig for my home folder
[04:14] <incubii> my ppc kubuntu has 120gb drive for it
[04:14] <incubii> :D
[04:15] <phxguy> hope azureus isn't a pain to install
[04:16] <incubii> ive never used bit torrent
[04:21] <phxguy> heh that was kewl nothing to install
[04:33] <usual> how can I tell k3b to use mp3's for audio cd's
[04:33] <usual> I have lame installed
[04:34] <usual> it's saying mp3 is an unsupported format
[05:08] <SuperL4g> any of you guys run Kubuntu on AMD64?
[05:24] <JaZy15> to install kde
[05:24] <JaZy15> i just run apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[05:36] <LeeJunFan> JaZy84: yeah.
[05:39] <randabis> yep
[06:34] <Sloppy> If I install the regular Gnome Hoary, can I ad kubuntu to it at a later time?
[06:45] <Roey> egon spengler, hehehe
[06:50] <SuperLag> Just installed Kubuntu.  I have /boot, /, <swap> on /dev/hda (IDE), and /home on /dev/sda1 (SATA) 
[06:50] <SuperLag> I specified during the partition phase that I want to use the existing partition on sda1 for /home, and /etc/fstab looks like it should, but it's not loading
[06:51] <SuperLag> I can load it manually after boot, but it's not loading beforehand.
[06:51] <Roey> SuperLag:  er
[06:51] <Roey> SuperLag:  is it identifying all your disk devices?
[06:51] <SuperLag> this is causing KDE to not start
[06:51] <Roey> SuperLag:  a problem here was that it did not load the sata driver, so it didn't see /dev/sda on which / was located...
[06:51] <Roey> SuperLag:  but it looks as though your problem is different.
[06:52] <SuperLag> Roey: well... I'm wondering if there needs to be an initrd.  After boot happens, I can see that libata and sata_via are loaded... and manually mount that partition
[06:52] <SuperLag> but it doesn't happen during boot
[06:52] <Roey> ah, you have sata_via
[06:52] <Roey> hahaha
[06:52] <Roey> same as me
[06:53] <Roey> I thought that ubuntu installs with an initrd.
[06:53] <SuperLag> so did I
[06:53] <Roey> I have a Debian/sarge system at work where that happens
[06:53] <Roey> just doesn't boot /home... it's annoying
[06:53] <Roey> it's in fstab and everything...
[08:48] <smouche> how much memory do you need to run konqueror without crashes?  Isn't 512 ram and 64 megs dedicated memory enough?  Could I have the wrong drivers?  Something else "wrong" with my hardware?  Does kde just hate me?  I mean, what the fuck, I know I'm running an unstable rc, but christ, a week from the supposedly stable version and this distro doesn't even have a file browser that works?? 
[08:48] <smouche> end of rant.  You mean all go back to your normal programming.
[08:49] <smouche> and it even fucks up my typing! ;-(
[08:52] <Roey> smou
[08:52] <Roey> doh
[09:23] <ztonzy> hi :)
[09:39] <closure> i have a question
[09:39] <closure> in KDE when alt+tab'ing between apps occasionaly applications will just close
[09:39] <closure> is there a hotkey i'm not aware of that i'm accidently hitting and closing these apps with?
[09:43] <ztonzy> maybe alt+q  ?
[09:43] <ztonzy> most apps closes with ctrl+q
[09:43] <ztonzy> though...but other than that I dont know
[09:45] <closure> hrm
[09:45] <closure> maybe
[09:46] <ztonzy> q on my keyboard is close to tab
[09:46] <ztonzy> next to even
[09:47] <closure> www.standardtime.com btw everybody sign that damn thing if you live in america
[09:47] <ztonzy> closure, sorry ?
[09:48] <closure> q is next to my tab key on my keyboard
[09:48] <closure> lol that site is a petition to end daylight savings time
[09:48] <closure> the worst damn idea ever
[09:48] <ztonzy> I guess
[09:49] <ztonzy> maybe depends where you live
[09:49] <closure> i mean there is no justification for it
[09:52] <lunitik> closure: heh... AZ doesn't observe it anyways... 8)
[09:53] <closure> yeah
[09:53] <closure> some states don't
[09:53] <closure> they're cool
[09:53] <closure> but that screws things up even worse
[09:54] <closure> cause then you gotta remember if the state observes it or not when you're flying in or whatever
[09:54] <closure> just needs to go away
[09:55] <lunitik> closure: well... no... cuz the pilot always says "local time is currently blahde blah blah"...
[10:00] <calc> also cell phones set their clocks to correct local time generally
[10:00] <calc> wow we just lost 1hr now :)
[10:01] <calc> hmm looks like i'll have to reboot my cell phone for it to realize DST is on
[10:02] <calc> yep it fixed the clock after reboot
[10:03] <closure> lunitik, yeah but i don't listen to pilots
[10:03] <closure> i'm the dickhead listening to my cdplayer talking on my cell phone during take off
[10:04] <closure> heh1
[10:04] <closure> wrong window
[10:04] <calc> after seeing how much interference gsm phones cause i don't have any problem keeping them off during flights
[10:05] <calc> i never noticed my old pre-gsm phone causing interference with everything around me
[10:26] <dimmak> so anybody here successfully play a dvd movie in kubuntu?
[10:33] <closure> my dvd rom doesn't mount at all
[10:33] <closure> it mounts as a cd
[10:33] <closure> i've got video to play with xine
[10:33] <closure> and audio with xmms
[10:33] <closure> i'm slowly trying to remove all these crap ass programs
[10:39] <trograin> I have just been installing Kubuntu 2 days ago. there is one small problem tat I dont like :( okey, it has to do with linux allso :) How the hell to I get my users to be able to read y ntfs drives allso.I have been adding my ntfs drives (3 off them) in /etc/fstab. But the options I am using only lets the root to read the drives but not the users. What should I put on the command line in Fstab to get the users the abbility to read the 
[10:57] <da_bon_bon> hey, anyone have the game called "uplink : hacker elite" ??
[11:01] <closure> lol no
[11:01] <closure> what's that one about?
[11:09] <closure> damn i can not figure this out
[11:09] <closure> shit just closes on me
[11:30] <RIVANVX> hi
[11:35] <ztonzy> hmm
[11:36] <ztonzy> any other than me that had mount/write issues with his/hers /home  after doing 'apt-get upgrade'  yesterday ??
[11:36] <ztonzy> I had to do ' e2fsck -b 32768 /dev/hda3 '   to make it be fixed  using Ubuntu Live CD
[11:53] <dimmak> if i use a time zone in kubuntu... it constantly wants to revert back to UTC... instead of my chosen PST.
[11:54] <closure> hrm
[11:54] <closure> did you set your time zone when you installed?
[11:55] <dimmak> yes
[11:55] <closure> to PST?
[11:55] <dimmak> i only have the problem if i want time to be automatically set
[11:55] <dimmak> yes
[11:55] <dimmak> i can just manually set it and uncheck the box
[11:56] <closure> hrm
[11:56] <dimmak> current time zone always reverts back to UTC
[11:56] <closure> i think set timezone PST
[11:56] <closure> from the console
[12:38] <buz> http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html -> Theo pissing off people again.
[12:38] <buz> especially 3.6
[12:41] <closure> well fuck a stick
[12:41] <closure> what's up buz?
[12:41] <buz> mhh
[12:41] <buz> trying to do uni exercises
[12:42] <buz> with suboptimal results so far
[12:42] <buz> my math is quite rusty it seems
[12:42] <closure> yeah my math is plain shot at this point
[12:42] <closure> if i don't have a calculator i can't do shit
[12:42] <Pointwood> OpenBSD is dropping Apache?
[12:42] <buz> Pointwood: i'd guess so
[12:42] <buz> wouldn't be the first time they did something like that ;-)
[12:43] <buz> and some of their forks plain replaced the old stuff
[12:43] <buz> think openssl, openssh
[12:43] <Pointwood> I haven't heard anyone complain about the license for apache...
[12:44] <buz> this is open ' theo de raadt' bsd
[12:44] <buz> everything beyond the two clause bsd license is considered evil
[12:44] <closure> what is the new x project mentioned?
[12:45] <buz> xorg i guess
[12:45] <Pointwood> most likely
[12:46] <Pointwood> theo de raadt is "special" in many ways, but he's also given the community a lot of great stuff
[12:46] <buz> xorg is nice. finally someone actually develops the thing again
[12:46] <buz> agreed
[12:46] <Pointwood> yeah
[12:47] <buz> personally i don't consider x to be the best idea anyhow
[12:47] <closure> hrm
[12:47] <Pointwood> it's cool to see x development speed up
[12:47] <buz> yeah they got nifty stuff in xorg 6.8
[12:47] <Pointwood> what then?
[12:47] <Pointwood> if not x
[12:48] <buz> X seems like a totally overengineered way to solve a pretty small problem
[12:48] <buz> i don't really get the network transparency for one, can't just as well just use vnc for that
[12:50] <Pointwood> I know way to little about it to come with a qualified answer :)
[12:50] <Pointwood> but there is that relatively new remote software
[12:51] <closure> what's in kubuntu?
[12:51] <buz> nomachine?
[12:51] <buz> that is really cool stuff
[12:51] <Pointwood> yeah, nomachine
[12:51] <Pointwood> couldn't remember the name
[12:52] <Pointwood> never tried it
[12:52] <Pointwood> but it sounds really cool
[12:52] <buz> works just fine over my 2mbit pipe
[12:52] <Pointwood> :)
[12:52] <hunger_> buz: X is a device independent framebuffer driver with too many stupid addons one layered over the next.
[12:52] <buz> supposedly degrades nicely down to 128k
[12:52] <buz> hunger_: exactly
[12:52] <Pointwood> 2Mbit is also a nice pipe ;)
[12:52] <buz> well it's only 400k up ;-)
[12:52] <Pointwood> :)
[12:52] <Pointwood> I got 2560/768
[12:52] <hunger_> buz: Too bad there is no alternative...
[12:52] <buz> i tried their demo server which is on symmetric 2mbit i think
[12:53] <Pointwood> k
[12:53] <Pointwood> aren't someone working on integrating it into kde?
[12:53] <buz> knoppix crowd did it
[12:53] <buz> i think
[12:53] <buz> they ship with gpl client and gpl server for one
[12:54] <buz> hunger_: dual boot? vmware?
[12:54] <hunger_> buz: Nah... I ordered a new box to try kubuntu on already... Won't start to mess with this one now.
[12:54] <buz> ah that's nice, what did you get
[12:55] <hunger_> buz: A thinkpad.
[12:55] <buz> ah well
[12:55] <buz> nice kit
[12:56] <hunger_> buz: Well, I did not get it for kubuntu specifically... but I do not want to mess with my working box when the next one is already ordered.
[12:56] <Pointwood> afk - food
[12:56] <buz> yeah that's a point
[12:57] <buz> fedora?
[12:57] <hunger_> buz: Worse.... Gentoo.
[12:57] <buz> oder *shiver* suse?
[12:57] <hunger_> buz: Nope! I did not sink that low...;-)
[12:58] <hunger_> buz: Now that SuSE rejected my application to work for them I may finally say that again;-)
[12:58] <buz> suse is quite possibly the worst distro out there
[12:59] <hunger> buz: Well gentoo is actually close...
[12:59] <buz> well its quite a different concept
[01:00] <hunger> buz: Yeap... well, actually not using gentoo-unstable might have given me a smoother ride.
[01:00] <hunger> buz: But I was used to debian/unstable, so I did not heed the "unstable" warning on gentoo.
[01:17] <xxenon> konqueror in 3.4 crashes a lot here, when browsing a dir with picture...known problem ?
[01:20] <closure> not on mine xxenon
[01:20] <closure> that's one i haven't found lol
[01:20] <xxenon> k.
[01:22] <closure> ooook
[01:22] <closure> how do i remove packages with this synaptic thing
[01:24] <closure> err nm
[01:25] <closure> whoa hey rpm is on here?
[01:25] <closure> now how well will a red hat package install
[01:26] <closure> will there be issues?
[01:32] <hunger> closure: I'd "alien"ate the rpm instead of using it directly.
[01:33] <closure> how do i go about doing that
[01:33] <closure> i'm trying to upgrade gaim
[01:33] <hunger> closure: Is there no deb for that?
[01:34] <hunger> closure: If possible use the debs from ubutu.
[01:34] <hunger> closure: If there are none you might try to convert the rpm into a deb with alien.
[01:35] <closure> nope
[01:35] <hunger> closure: That way it will at least be listed in the normal package DB.
[01:35] <closure> the latest version of deb is 1.4 or something and 2.0 is ou
[01:35] <closure> t
[01:35] <closure> i don't know exactly
[01:35] <closure> ok
[01:35] <closure> how do i use alien?
[01:36] <hunger> closure: You might run into trouble with the converted rpm though: It was never meant to be used with ubuntu after all.
[01:36] <hunger> closure: man alien.
[01:36] <hunger> closure: IIRC it is just alien package.rpm
[01:37] <closure> ok thanks
[01:37] <closure> could somebody write a script or something that removes gnome from kubuntu
[01:37] <apokryphos> closure: gnome, or all gtk stuff?
[01:38] <apokryphos> you don't need a script for that at all...
[01:39] <closure> apokryphos, i mean i know that
[01:39] <closure> but last time i did it i got a bunch of errors
[01:39] <apokryphos> like what?
[01:39] <closure> and it still is in my "sessions" menu on kdm
[01:39] <closure> and when i start up/shut down it's on the check list that scrolls
[01:39] <closure> simple shit like that
[01:40] <apokryphos> How did you try to remove it?
[01:40] <closure> i did the debfoster thing you said
[01:41] <apokryphos> closure: having problems with kubuntu...were you the one?
[01:41] <closure> well yes i'm having problems with it
[01:41] <closure> but atm i'm just trying to get rid of all the fluff
[01:41] <closure> and gnome is a big part of it
[01:42] <apokryphos> to remove all things that don't come with kubuntu you use debfoster, yes.
[01:43] <apokryphos> if you want to just remove gnome then go for the libgnome-2.0 package
[01:43] <closure> ok
[01:44] <closure> synaptic is telling me this list of programs that will be affected
[01:44] <closure> will it automaticly remove those as well?
[01:44] <apokryphos> yes
[01:44] <apokryphos> note: this will remove gnome
[01:44] <apokryphos> if that wasn't obvious ;)
[01:44] <closure> yes
[01:44] <closure> i don't use gnome
[01:44] <closure> at all
[01:44] <eken> What repositries are good to add if I'm using amd64..  The standards rep. is not too covering
[01:44] <apokryphos> :)
[01:44] <closure> is there a reason i should keep it?
[01:45] <apokryphos> eken: did you enable universe/multiverse?
[01:45] <closure> i mean i'm trying to convert Ubuntu to Kubuntu pretty much here
[01:45] <eken> nope.  where do I do that..
[01:45] <apokryphos> closure: I only really keep it for GIMP, on the rare occasion that I use it.
[01:45] <closure> what is GIMP?
[01:45] <apokryphos> Program for Graphical Manipulation; like Photoshop.
[01:45] <apokryphos> eken: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:45] <closure> hrm
[01:45] <closure> yeah i'm cool with that
[01:45] <ataxic> the reason GTK exists
[01:45] <apokryphos> eken: uncomment the lines with "Universe" and "Multiverse"
[01:46] <closure> especialy on this comp
[01:46] <ataxic> the only reason
[01:46] <closure> this is a 450
[01:46] <apokryphos> ok, sure.
[01:46] <closure> i do my graphics on my desktop
[01:46] <ataxic> in my world
[01:46] <closure> ok so this will remove all those other packages as well?
[01:46] <apokryphos> closure: then if you want to "convert" debfoster is what you should go for, probably
[01:46] <apokryphos> though I've never tested it, it really should work just fine in theory
[01:46] <eken> apokryphos: Oki..  then I'll do that..  thanks
[01:46] <ataxic> converting..  isn't a reinstall quicker?
[01:47] <apokryphos> ataxic: Well, no. :)
[01:47] <closure> ataxic, if i had a cdr that worked
[01:47] <closure> i'd probably just do that
[01:47] <ataxic> ah right
[01:47] <apokryphos> closure: removing libgnome package will remove only gnome stuff. If you want to remove anything that doesn't come with Kubuntu, then go for debfoster. debfoster kubuntu-desktop ubuntu-base
[01:48] <closure> will that remove my files that are in my home directory?
[01:48] <apokryphos> one sec
[01:50] <closure> k
[01:50] <apokryphos> debfoster kubuntu-desktop ubuntu-desktop, rather. 
[01:50] <apokryphos> No, your /home will be left untouched
[01:51] <apokryphos> (apart from gnome configuration stuff, perhaps... I still don't think it will touch those, though)
[01:51] <closure> wait
[01:51] <closure> so why am i debfostering both desktops?
[01:52] <apokryphos> Nah, you're not. That's how the syntax works
[01:52] <apokryphos> Usage: debfoster [-ck FILE]  [-adefhinopqrsvV]  package1 package2-
[01:52] <apokryphos> Installs package1, deinstalls package2
[01:52] <apokryphos> one sec, first!
[01:52] <closure> lol
[01:53] <closure> i'm going to break something lol
[01:53] <apokryphos> Nah, that's fine there. It'll ask you for confirmation of which ones to remove (in big bundles), so you should be fine
[01:54] <closure> now which ones do i remove?
[01:55] <closure> annnnnnnnnnd will it take shit like xchat and firefox
[01:55] <closure> or do they come with kubuntu?
[01:55] <apokryphos> They're GTK apps; it'll take them off.
[01:55] <apokryphos> if you want those, then keep GTK and remove gnome
[01:56] <closure> ok
[01:56] <closure> so just use synaptic?
[01:56] <closure> and take off gnome
[01:56] <closure> ?
[01:56] <apokryphos> Yeah, and remove libgnome
[01:56] <closure> err the libgnome
[01:57] <closure> k cool
[01:57] <closure> thanks
[01:57] <closure> 276 megs
[01:57] <closure> wow
[01:57] <apokryphos> ;-)
[01:57] <closure> on a 6 gig that's serious man
[01:58] <apokryphos> heh
[01:58] <closure> i don't have time to be playing with that bastard
[01:58] <closure> and totem is going away1
[01:58] <closure> that pos
[01:58] <closure> didn't play a single damn movie
[01:59] <closure> and rythmbox oh i'm so happy!
[01:59] <buz> huuh
[01:59] <closure> buz huh what?
[01:59] <buz> openoffice prints from spreadsheet but not writer
[01:59] <apokryphos> hehe
[02:00] <buz> i only get to see a error led blinking on the printer
[02:00] <buz> exporting writer docs to pdf and printing from kpdf works just fine, too
[02:06] <closure> ok apokryphos i got rid of the demon gnome
[02:06] <closure> now do you know how to change all that other stuff
[02:06] <closure> i.e. the check list
[02:06] <closure> gnome being listed in kdm
[02:06] <closure> etc
[02:06] <apokryphos> closure: it's still listed?
[02:06] <apokryphos> It shouldn't be.
[02:07] <closure> i'm not sure
[02:07] <closure> i haven't rebooted
[02:07] <closure> but won't it still be on the check list?
[02:07] <apokryphos> check; try relogging in
[02:07] <closure> k
[02:08] <closure> will it keep my windows open?
[02:08] <apokryphos> Nope, but it'll try to reopen them when you re-login (KDE ones will)
[02:08] <closure> yeah
[02:08] <closure> ok
[02:10] <eken> apokryphos: Thanks.. it worked fine :)
[02:10] <apokryphos> cool
[02:12] <closure> woohoo!
[02:12] <closure> that parts
[02:12] <apokryphos> :)
[02:12] <closure> err part is gone
[02:12] <closure> now for the check list
[02:13] <closure> will it be gone from there too you think?
[02:13] <apokryphos> closure: checklist? on the display manager?
[02:13] <closure> no
[02:13] <closure> like when you boot/shutdown
[02:13] <closure> you know how it starts up and has that explanation of what's going on
[02:14] <closure> it says "starting gnome desktop" "ending so and so"
[02:14] <apokryphos> You sure you don't mean the display manager? It's the thing that appears before you login...
[02:14] <closure> or whatever
[02:14] <closure> yeah
[02:14] <apokryphos> you did just relogin, right? ;-) Didn't you check then?
[02:14] <closure> no
[02:14] <closure> i just logged out to the KDM screen
[02:15] <apokryphos> yeah... where you would get the option to go into GNOME
[02:17] <closure> yeah
[02:17] <closure> oooooooooooooooooh
[02:17] <closure> no you're not
[02:17] <closure> when you first boot your system
[02:17] <closure> and it loads linux kernel and everything is text
[02:17] <apokryphos> yupyup
[02:17] <apokryphos> then you're taken to the display manager -- KDM.
[02:18] <closure> yeah
[02:18] <closure> the text part
[02:18] <closure> it checks off what's going on and shit
[02:18] <closure> one is "gnome desktop"
[02:19] <apokryphos> Oh... I didn't know it shows that. If it does, it'll just be marked off.
[02:19] <apokryphos> that actually is probably the same for kubuntuers
[02:33] <closure> OH HELL NO
[02:34] <closure> IT DELETED FIREFOX
[02:34] <closure> fuck! ass!
[02:35] <incubii> lol
[02:36] <incubii> as much as i like firefox i found konquerer to be pretyt much superior
[02:37] <closure> you know
[02:37] <closure> you're right i guess
[02:38] <closure> but i had flash set up already damnit
[02:38] <closure> now i have to do that crap again
[02:38] <incubii> ah
[02:39] <closure> that sob better not have deleted my damn java too
[02:39] <incubii> i love being able to just type 'ggl blah' to do a im feeling lucky search
[02:39] <closure> whoa what are you talking about?
[02:39] <closure> ok
[02:39] <closure> konq just crashed
[02:40] <closure> that's why i didn't like it now i remember
[02:40] <incubii> yeah it can be fussy on sopme machines
[02:40] <closure> my christ
[02:40] <incubii> it hasnt crashed yet on my mac here though
[02:41] <closure> you have to install lib-gnome2.0 for firefox?
[02:41] <incubii> so no need to get firefox yet
[02:41] <closure> oh i don't want to hear it mr. mac
[02:41] <incubii> no idea
[02:41] <incubii> lol@mr mac
[02:41] <closure> i did apt-get mozilla-firefox and it wants to add it
[02:41] <incubii> Linux anubis 2.6.11-1-powerpc-smp #1 SMP Fri Feb 11 16:46:07 UTC 2005 ppc GNU/Linux
[02:42] <incubii> its never installed lib-gnome2.0 b4 for me
[02:42] <incubii> probably cause i already had it
[02:42] <closure> indeed
[02:42] <closure> that would help
[02:42] <closure> lol
[02:42] <closure> hrm
[02:43] <incubii> i dont get ctrl+z in console. it puts things in the background but says the process is stopped at the same time, yet it hasnt stopped its just working in the background
[02:44] <closure> Badtzmark, i mean no
[02:44] <incubii> no i got milk instead
[02:44] <Badtzmark> milk will do
[02:48] <incubii> is their a proposed RC2 on kubuntu or staight to release ?
[02:48] <closure> apokryphos, why do you need gnome to run gimp
[02:48] <apokryphos> closure: I really don't know why they made it to be built on the gnome libs... that's odd.
[02:49] <apokryphos> closure: you actually shouldn't, it's GTK ah.
[02:49] <closure> *shrugs*
[02:49] <incubii> it uses gtk
[02:49] <incubii> isnt gtk a gnome thing?
[02:49] <closure> yeah i was going through apps and i found it
[02:49] <apokryphos> incubii: it's like Qt to KDE
[02:49] <closure> i don't guess the lib is too big of a deal just 29megs compared to the 300 or whatever it was
[02:49] <apokryphos> incubii: no RC2.. straight release official on 8th.
[02:49] <incubii> ah
[02:49] <apokryphos> HDD space is not a problem here
[02:49] <closure> i'm sure i will find other programs that need it anyways
[02:49] <closure> well it's not really hears
[02:50] <closure> err here either
[02:50] <apokryphos> closure: if you still want to use firefox and not have any GNOME stuff I guess you'd have to manually install
[02:50] <incubii> looks like friday ill blast this system away and start from fresh
[02:50] <closure> but i mean my menus were just chock full of shit
[02:50] <apokryphos> closure: but Konqueror really should be perfect ;-)
[02:50] <closure> konq crashes
[02:50] <incubii> well id prefer kubuntu to have 0% gnome stuff
[02:50] <closure> on pages
[02:50] <incubii> since its KDE
[02:50] <apokryphos> I find it really weird that it's crashing for people; it couldn't run smoother here.
[02:50] <incubii> but i understand thats pretty hard
[02:50] <apokryphos> (well, apart from problems with the Wiki at times; never anything critical)
[02:50] <incubii> since some of the top apps use gnome stuff
[02:51] <apokryphos> incubii: Kubuntu does have 0 GNOME things.
[02:51] <incubii> konquerer crashed wonderfulyl here if i insert a DVD
[02:51] <closure> lol
[02:51] <closure> my shit still doesn't see my dvd
[02:51] <incubii> and then the crash monitor crashes
[02:51] <closure> it sees it as a cd
[02:51] <incubii> so i get an error about that
[02:51] <closure> not real sure why
[02:51] <incubii> but then the error message crashes
[02:51] <incubii> so i get an erro
[02:51] <incubii> you get the point
[02:51] <closure> nor can i run files off a cd
[02:51] <apokryphos> Odd; never had any crashes with Konqueror *at all*
[02:52] <closure> i can browse the cd but can't play files off it
[02:52] <incubii> CDs work fine
[02:52] <incubii> just DVDs on PPC dont
[02:52] <incubii> havent tried it on my X86 though
[02:52] <apokryphos> Bug reports should be filed for these; the DVD one, for example.
[02:53] <incubii> i would except the bug page takes 15mins to load on my dialup connection
[02:53] <incubii> :)
[02:53] <apokryphos> Why? It's really not different to a normal webpage..
[02:54] <apokryphos> more light, if anything
[02:54] <incubii> i dont know, it just takes forever
[02:54] <incubii> i know cause i went to post a bug about KDM
[02:54] <incubii> which i never ended up doing
[02:55] <apokryphos> what problem are you having?
[02:56] <incubii> on two G4s when KDM boots up first time everything is all borked. I have huge rainbows going through the background and everything as soon as i restart the Xserver everything is fine again. So i put GDM on and it does not have this problem. I dont know if its a config problem with KDM or not but the few people i talked to tell me its a bug
[02:57] <incubii> i checked xserver logs, theres no problems there
[02:57] <incubii> doesnt seem to err anywhere
[02:57] <closure> speaking of kdm
[02:57] <closure> how do i change the theme in it?
[02:57] <apokryphos> if it's a KDM bug, then bugs.kde.org is the place. If only happening on Kubuntu, then bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[02:57] <incubii> only on kubuntu
[02:57] <apokryphos> closure: check kdelook.org -- there's howtos in the KDM themes provided there
[02:58] <incubii> dunno closure, never found a way to
[02:58] <apokryphos> incubii: ok, then bugzilla is really the place. If you ever get time, it would really help them to have that info.
[02:58] <incubii> the kontrol center doesnt change it
[02:58] <incubii> :D
[02:58] <apokryphos> You can get a package to add it to kcontrol
[02:58] <spiral> hi
[02:58] <incubii> if i get time at work ill post the bug
[02:58] <apokryphos> hi spiral :)
[02:58] <psn_laptop> incubii: no cause the kdm developer doesn't think it's production ready yet
[02:58] <apokryphos> Cool; they'd appreciate it.
[02:59] <closure> apokryphos, are you aware of what this package would be called?
[02:59] <incubii> after kubuntu is released ima try get skippy into the next one
[03:00] <apokryphos> closure: http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=22120
[03:00] <incubii> get a bit of the OS X features in there
[03:00] <incubii> :D
[03:00] <apokryphos> heh
[03:02] <incubii> hmm there should be something like kubuntu-developer, so you can install all the major dev libraries, of course if there is then im just too lazy to search :D
[03:03] <closure> apokryphos, how do i do a .deb file again?
[03:03] <apokryphos> install, you mean? dpkg -i <packagename>
[03:03] <closure> ok
[03:04] <closure> and that'll add this to the control center?
[03:05] <incubii> provided deps are met
[03:05] <Riddell> incubii: X palette is an ubuntu issue not a kdm one
[03:05] <Riddell> incubii: what's skippy?
[03:06] <incubii> buh would couldnt they supply enough power on a mac keyboard to run an ipod off its usb
[03:06] <incubii> oh ok Riddel
[03:07] <closure> oh sob
[03:08] <closure> apparently the dependencies are not met
[03:08] <incubii> skippy provides some of OS X Expose feature for the X Server
[03:09] <incubii> like being able to see all windows on the screen and selected them
[03:09] <Riddell> like kompose
[03:09] <incubii> dunno
[03:09] <incubii> is kompose in default kde?
[03:09] <Riddell> nmo
[03:09] <Riddell> no
[03:10] <incubii> http://thegraveyard.org/skippy.php
[03:11] <incubii> yep like kompose
[03:11] <incubii> hmm i think id prefer kompose
[03:12] <teprrr> hmm, found a bug perhaps :p
[03:12] <teprrr> when looking at image in konqueror, click on it few times and konq will crash
[03:14] <Riddell> teprrr: gwenview plugin part?
[03:15] <teprrr> Riddell, yup
[03:15] <closure> http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=22307 that's pretty slick
[03:15] <Riddell> teprrr: which version of gwnview?
[03:16] <teprrr> Riddell, 1.1.8, the one from kubuntu's first public release
[03:17] <Riddell> teprrr: it's been updated since, try and apt-get update && apt-get install gwenview
[03:17] <teprrr> mmkay
[03:18] <teprrr> Riddell, yup, doesn't seem to crash anymore
[03:19] <Riddell> teprrr: yay!
[03:19] <Pointwood> is kompose available in kubuntu?
[03:30] <buz> Pointwood: it's in universe or multiverse, for sure
[03:30] <e-motion> i have a problem with the screen resolution. In Gnome in the System menue it does not show other resolutions than 800x600 640x480   in etc/x11/xorg.conf are all modes already listed.. how can I switch to a better resolution ?
[03:31] <incubii> put the highest first
[03:33] <badtzmark> whats the command to upgrade to latest kubuntu distro agaon?
[03:33] <incubii> apt-get -y dist-upgrade
[03:33] <incubii> if you are already using kubuntu
[03:34] <incubii> or apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:34] <badtzmark> i'm using the 5.04 kubuntu 
[03:34] <badtzmark> hoary
[03:34] <incubii> then 'apt-get -y dist-upgrade' is what you want
[03:35] <badtzmark> okie dokie
[03:35] <badtzmark> why everytime i boot it say restoring desktop..
[03:35] <badtzmark> this is linux way?
[03:36] <incubii> because it save syour session data
[03:36] <closure> cause it's restoring the last state of your desktop
[03:36] <closure> the programs
[03:36] <closure> you had open and shit
[03:36] <badtzmark> owh..
[03:36] <badtzmark> shit?
[03:36] <incubii> so it reloads everything as it was when you logged out
[03:36] <closure> technical term
[03:36] <badtzmark> wow
[03:36] <closure> for "everything else"
[03:36] <incubii> its a KDE thing
[03:36] <buz> what is the difference between multisynk and kitchensync?
[03:36] <incubii> though its usually not default
[03:37] <badtzmark> must i apt-get upgrade regulary?
[03:37] <e-motion> incubii,  what do you mean with "put the highest first"  there is the section "screen" and there are subsections in it with the Modes, d what shall I put first there ?
[03:37] <incubii> ah i love the error "KDE Crash Handler has Crached"
[03:37] <closure> incubii, do you know how to turn that off?
[03:37] <incubii> :))
[03:37] <psn_laptop> buz: multisynk is a new frontend
[03:37] <buz> anyway to make it use syncml?
[03:38] <psn_laptop> buz: don't know
[03:39] <incubii> its would be in control centre most likely closure 
[03:39] <incubii> down near the bottom of xorg.conf there will be an area that list the BitDepth and then the resolutions they support
[03:40] <incubii> you may have "640x480" "800x600" instead of "800x600" "640x480"
[03:40] <closure> does kubuntu run xorg?
[03:40] <incubii> and so forth
[03:40] <incubii> yes
[03:41] <e-motion> incubii: shall I delete the ones I do not want. and only let 1024x768 in there
[03:41] <e-motion> in the control centre it only gives the 800x600 resolution thats my prob
[03:41] <badtzmark> must i apt-get upgrade regulary?
[03:42] <LeeJunFan> badtzmark: no, you don't have to.
[03:42] <incubii> yes you can do that but it becomes a problem if the linux drivers cant support your res or your hardware cnt
[03:42] <incubii> its best to have "1024x768" "640x480" jus tin case ;)
[03:42] <incubii> only if you want to stay bleeding edge
[03:43] <e-motion> incubii: but why doesnt the control centre show all resolutions though my hardware supports it
[03:43] <closure> for the kdm theme manager
[03:43] <closure> there is already a theme manager in control center
[03:43] <closure> it's under system administration -> login manager
[03:43] <closure> quite feature filled as well
[03:43] <incubii> because xorg.conf would only read the ones in xorg.conf
[03:44] <incubii> by that i mean the control center only reads what is in xorg.conf
[03:44] <incubii> yes that is true closure but try to change the KDM background
[03:44] <closure> i am
[03:44] <e-motion> hmm but in xorg.conf  is 1600xblabla 1400xblabal 1024x bla 800x   640 ...
[03:44] <closure> well fuck stick
[03:45] <closure> i just installed these backgrounds too!
[03:45] <incubii> i surely couldnt
[03:45] <e-motion> but control centre only shows 860x 640x available
[03:45] <incubii> are those higher res's listed at the bottom of xorg.conf or as modelines ?
[03:46] <incubii>         SubSection "Display"
[03:46] <incubii>                 Depth           24
[03:46] <incubii>                 Modes           "1280x1024" "1024x768" "960x960" "960x720" "880x704" "880x660" "832x624" "800x600" "760x608" "720x400" "640x480"
[03:46] <incubii>         EndSubSection
[03:46] <incubii> see thats what i have
[03:47] <closure> incubii, at the bottom of the first tab
[03:47] <closure> you click "enter administrative mode"
[03:47] <closure> and you can change verything
[03:49] <incubii> hmm thats a bug like behavior, in kontrol center i need to provide admin rights to change KDM crap yet if i go through the settings icon in kpanel i dont need to
[03:50] <closure> in kpanel?
[03:50] <closure> what is kpanel?
[03:50] <incubii> 'taskbar'
[03:50] <closure> well you can also change other shit in there
[03:50] <closure> like user options and shutdown procedures
[03:50] <closure> can you do that from kpanel?
[03:51] <incubii> yeah i know, but what im saying is if i go to control center->login manager i need to provide admin rights
[03:51] <incubii> but if i clik on the 'easy access to system places'->settings->login manager
[03:51] <incubii> i dont need admin rights
[03:52] <incubii> Failed to fetch http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/universe/source/Sources.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[03:52] <incubii> great!
[03:52] <incubii> not doing that again on dialup :|
[03:53] <gdh> incubii: try again soon, chances are you caught in the middle of an update...
[03:53] <gdh> esp if you're on dialup and it took a few minutes to download the list.
[03:53] <closure> incubii, your konq must have your root pass saved
[03:53] <closure> it's asking me for mine
[03:53] <incubii> yeah i know but its awefully painful on 28.8kb dialup
[03:53] <gdh> incubii: Ouch yes... 
[03:54] <incubii> probably closure
[03:54] <closure> i was going to say that is a big bug if you can get into that kind of thing without authorization
[03:54] <incubii> few minutes = 30mins
[03:54] <incubii> lol
[03:54] <gdh> Ouch again :)
[03:54] <gdh> I wouldn't be surprised if there had been at least 2 or 3 updates in that time =)
[03:55] <incubii> its alright i have a drive at work waiting for kubuntu release
[03:55] <incubii> pop that on and install everything and bring home
[03:55] <incubii> 8mb connections rock
[03:55] <incubii> :D
[03:56] <gdh> I know the feeling :)
[03:56] <incubii> im still trying to get away from pair gain technology
[03:57] <incubii> someone mentioned this thing called the inter....net..? the otherday, sounds interesting
[03:57] <incubii> might give it a whirl some day
[04:01] <closure> hrm
[04:01] <closure> now this is a bug i think
[04:02] <closure> if you goto security & privacy -> password & user account
[04:02] <closure> if you click the image box to change your image
[04:02] <closure> it says "this option has been disabled by system administrator"
[04:02] <closure> and there's no "administrative mode" there
[04:04] <incubii> yeah i get that too, but then i have no idea if you can turn that off
[04:04] <closure> well there has to be an "administrative" setting somewhere
[04:04] <closure> question would be where
[04:04] <lao_v> hi..can anyone help please? i'm trying to play avi (divx) but it keeps jumping. Any special plugins I need to install?
[04:04] <incubii> which arch
[04:04] <incubii> which player
[04:04] <lao_v> x86, mplayer, xine
[04:04] <incubii> have you updated them
[04:05] <closure> xine
[04:05] <closure> apt-get install xine
[04:05] <closure> it will play fine
[04:05] <lao_v> i've just installed xine
[04:05] <lao_v> and it does the same thing
[04:05] <lao_v> as mplayer
[04:05] <closure> it beats the piss out of the one that came with ubuntu
[04:05] <incubii> try VLC
[04:05] <closure> what's it doing lao_v?
[04:06] <closure> are you running the movie through xine?
[04:06] <thoreauputic> lao_v: are you playing from a dvd? if so it could be a DMA issue
[04:06] <lao_v> closure: it plays in blocks, kinda jumping a sec
[04:06] <lao_v> no..i'm playing from hdd
[04:06] <closure> hrm
[04:06] <closure> that's strange
[04:07] <closure> doesn't seem like a codec though
[04:07] <closure> a codec you wouldn't get any video
[04:07] <closure> i don't think
[04:07] <closure> incubii, back to Login Manager -> administrative mode
[04:07] <closure> then to the users tab
[04:07] <closure> on the right
[04:08] <closure> there's options to how you wish to select them
[04:08] <lao_v> it was doing the same thing when playing mp3s..but then i installed some lib and it started to play mp3s fine
[04:08] <closure> it was playing in blocks?
[04:08] <closure> i'm not following right then
[04:08] <Jzarecta_> hi kders anyone know whats the kde tools for getting a configuration of the wi-fi
[04:08] <closure> i installed xmms and mp3s play fine
[04:09] <closure> Jzarecta_, not sure but under the internet section there is a "wifi" tool
[04:09] <closure> i'm not sure if that's what you're looking for
[04:09] <Jzarecta_> ok
[04:09] <lao_v> ok..just installed vlc...still doing the same thing
[04:10] <closure> is the image blocky or the sound?
[04:11] <e-motion> had to reboot, the system totaly hung... 
[04:11] <incubii> never!
[04:11] <lao_v> image seems fine..but just jumping and so is the sound
[04:11] <incubii> are you playing off CD ?
[04:11] <lao_v> no from hdd
[04:11] <Jzarecta_> anyone can help me learning about k3b
[04:11] <Jzarecta_> its seems to be a permission mess
[04:12] <closure> lao_v, that sounds like a memory issue
[04:12] <closure> what kind of box do you have?
[04:12] <lao_v> i have 500MB memory
[04:12] <closure> and are you doing anything cpu/ram intensive?
[04:12] <closure> odd
[04:12] <closure> try this play the video
[04:12] <closure> then pause and un pause it
[04:12] <lao_v> nope..no other programs are running at the moment except xchat
[04:12] <closure> see if it stops
[04:13] <lao_v> closure: that didn't work
[04:13] <closure> completely out of ideas then
[04:13] <lao_v> the same file plays fine on my laptop with only 200mb memory
[04:13] <Pointwood> or whether a restart of kde is requiret
[04:14] <lao_v> but its running mepis
[04:14] <closure> mepis?
[04:15] <lao_v> yes
[04:15] <e-motion> incubii: I saw your last lines you wrote about the screen resolutions before all crashed here. The same what you wrote I have in my xorg.conf also. But nevertheless it shows just three screenresolution modes. Could it be, that there is a driver problem ?
[04:15] <incubii> quite possibly
[04:15] <lao_v> i mean my laptop has mepis..desktop is kubuntu where i have problem
[04:15] <closure> oh
[04:16] <closure> i'm not sure what the problem would be it seems like memory to me if it's playing but being slugish
[04:16] <e-motion> incubii: how can I reconfigure the hardware things ?
[04:16] <incubii> well you could always install an update driver provided its not one that comes with xorg
[04:16] <incubii> say like the nvidia one
[04:17] <e-motion> the xorg.conf says, that it is a ATI MACH64 Card. But its onboard I dont know 4 shure
[04:17] <gdh> lao_v: could you confirm basic 2D accelerationis working by looking at theoutput of 'xvinfo'  ? Don't post it here - justif there isloads of output, it's working..
[04:18] <incubii> ah well its the default driver for xorg
[04:18] <e-motion> ah ok. 
[04:18] <gdh> e.g. my old matrox shows "no adaptors present" for xvinfo...
[04:18] <closure> incubii, it seems you can't change your icon in the user section
[04:18] <closure> but i'm runnig a one user set up
[04:18] <e-motion> is it maybe better not to use the hoary, and use the normal disribution and reinstall it, and hope it works fine than
[04:19] <closure> so it might view me as some kind of weird user
[04:19] <lao_v> gdh: this is all i get when i run xvinfo...
[04:19] <closure> *shrugs*
[04:19] <lao_v> X-Video Extension version 2.2
[04:19] <lao_v> screen #0
[04:19] <lao_v>  no adaptors present
[04:19] <incubii> well hoary is almost released
[04:19] <incubii> you could wait for the release to come out
[04:19] <incubii> only 1 more week
[04:19] <incubii> ;)
[04:19] <e-motion> so it makes no sense to downgrade to the old stable ?
[04:19] <gdh> lao_v: OK so all video playback is being done the slow way - that would certainly explain poor video ...
[04:19] <e-motion> hmm...
[04:20] <incubii> well you could tru
[04:20] <gdh> lao_v: Does the problem go away when you view teh video in a smaller window?
[04:20] <incubii> but i dont really see the point once the new one is out
[04:20] <e-motion> is there something like a hardware reconfigure thing, where I can select graphic card kernel modules ?
[04:20] <incubii> xorgconfig
[04:21] <incubii> run in terminal
[04:21] <e-motion> ok
[04:21] <incubii> it will configure everything though
[04:21] <incubii> so be careful
[04:21] <lao_v> nope..even small screen is the same
[04:21] <incubii> make a backup copy of your xorg.conf
[04:21] <gdh> lao_v: Wow this is a tricky one :)
[04:22] <lao_v> gdh: please don't hate me :-)
[04:22] <gdh> lao_v: Did you say the some other Linux-based OS worked oK?
[04:22] <gdh> :)
[04:22] <lao_v> yes..on mepis it works fine..both on my laptop and my pc
[04:23] <gdh> lao_v: might be worth finding out what driver and options mepis is using and copying the conf? :)
[04:23] <e-motion> what kind of horizontal vertical sync is the usual one ?
[04:23] <gdh> i.e. just read the X config file /etc/X11/
[04:23] <lao_v> gdh: any ideas where i would start?
[04:24] <incubii> 50-90 will work
[04:24] <closure> e-motion, i'd imagine if you upgraded recently the release that's out in a week isn't going to be too far different
[04:25] <gdh> lao_v: just get a copy of the X config from mepis :) /etc/X11/XF86Config, or /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:25] <lao_v> thanks gdh!!
[04:25] <gdh> you're looking for the Section "Device" part
[04:26] <gdh> should say Driver .. andmaybe some Options
[04:28] <e-motion> hmm shit xorg.conf can not be opened for write access... But I have it not open somewhere else, and Iam loggen in in root... thats strange
[04:28] <e-motion> hav I to shut down the x-server first ?
[04:28] <incubii> no
[04:28] <incubii> sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:30] <jsubl2> is the multiverse repo ok to use or is it unstable stuff
[04:30] <gdh> multiverse is the Ubuntu equivalient of Debian's non-free
[04:31] <incubii> isnt it unstable ?
[04:31] <gdh> all the slightly-dodgy-shit goes there
[04:31] <jsubl2> thanks gdh
[04:31] <incubii> or testing
[04:31] <gdh> I don't think it's any more unstable than universe...
[04:31] <gdh> unless I've misunderstood it :)
[04:31] <closure> anybody know how to change the K menu icon?
[04:32] <gdh> lao_v: Could you paste the output from "grep DPI /var/log/Xorg.0.log" for me?
[04:47] <uniq> closure: /usr/share/icons/[themename] /32x32/apps/kmenu.png - or for user-themes /home/user/.kde/share/icons/[themename] /.. same
[04:50] <habib> hello
[04:50] <hunger> hi
[04:50] <habib>  My soundcore.ko n other files r with out permission, this could be cause I update my gcc version!?!?
[04:52] <habib> even root can't change permission on path
[04:54] <habib> any help is welcome
[04:56] <closure> well
[04:56] <closure> that's apparently not the KDM theme manager
[04:56] <closure> just the splash screen
[04:57] <lao_v> gdh: (==) VMWARE(0): DPI set to (75, 75)
[04:58] <gdh> lao_v: Ah OK so you're having choppy video when running under VMWare... :)
[04:59] <gdh> I'm not terribly surprised :)
[04:59] <hnschl> hello
[04:59] <lao_v> gdh: but why is mepis playing it fine then?
[05:00] <gdh> also running under VMWare?
[05:00] <lao_v> yes
[05:00] <gdh> I have no idea whatsoever :)
[05:01] <gdh> I don't really know how VMWare works with the video support...
[05:01] <lao_v> thanks for your help gdh :-)
[05:01] <gdh> :) I daresay you'll have much better luck when running it on a real computer..
[05:02] <lao_v> only two things stopping me to swtich to kubuntu completely at the moment..divx and dvd (playback and copying)
[05:04] <gdh> Ah yes the nice legal things :)
[05:04] <lao_v> well they are legal..i have a dvd camcorder ;-)
[05:04] <gdh> haha nicely handled :)
[05:05] <lao_v> its true :-)
[05:06] <hunger> So owning a camcorder makes dvd copying legal? I need to buy one!
[05:06] <lao_v> i copy my home made dvds ofcourse
[05:07] <LeeJunFan> and that's all I'm sure :)
[05:07] <hunger> Ah... so I need to copy dvds at home to make it legal? ;-)
[05:07] <LeeJunFan> I downloaded a DVD the other day and burned it - so kiss my ass RIAA.
[05:08] <LeeJunFan> That's right - come and take my kubuntu! :)
[05:09] <gdh> I like how The Register always describe the RIAA ... "The Recording Industry Ass. of America"
[05:09] <closure> well
[05:09] <lao_v> lol..that's the truth isn't it?
[05:09] <closure> this is just horse piss
[05:09] <gdh> Sure is :)
[05:10] <closure> how the hell am i suppose to change my damn kdm
[05:10] <gdh> closure: I think you're in the wrong channel for that..
[05:10] <LeeJunFan> was it the taste or smell that gave it away :)
[05:10] <closure> if kdm doesn't have the supports
[05:10] <LeeJunFan> closure: change it to what?
[05:10] <lao_v> closure: what r u trying to do?
[05:10] <closure> change my kdm them
[05:10] <closure> e
[05:10] <lao_v> its easy...just modify the kdmrc
[05:10] <LeeJunFan> closure: edit /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc and turn off the theme.
[05:11] <closure> what will it be then?
[05:11] <moominski> which folder r all my programs??
[05:11] <moominski> in?
[05:11] <LeeJunFan> closure: plain old kde style login to which you can edit all the stuff in kcontrol panel.
[05:11] <gdh> moominski: probably most of them are in /usr/bin
[05:12] <LeeJunFan> moominski: /
[05:12] <LeeJunFan> :)
[05:12] <closure> ahh
[05:12] <closure> ok
[05:12] <gdh> LeeJunFan: :D
[05:12] <moominski> thanks
[05:12] <gdh> moominski: This is not windows. there is no 'program files' or a seperate dir for each program's binaries :)
[05:12] <closure> LeeJunFan, 
[05:13] <LeeJunFan> moominski: executables are usually in a bin or sbin dir, configs ususally within etc, systemwide data in var, user data in home dirs of course.
[05:13] <closure> what lines do i change?
[05:13] <moominski> i no, gdh hows u btw m8
[05:14] <LeeJunFan> UseTheme=false
[05:14] <moominski> thanks for the info anyway
[05:14] <moominski> with linux u can never get enough info right?
[05:15] <LeeJunFan> moominski: just like in life :) That's why us linux users dont' have one :)
[05:15] <lao_v> closure: do u not want to use kdm theme then?
[05:15] <gdh> moominski: tight enough, thanks :)
[05:15] <moominski> LeeJunFan>  yeah its so addictive init
[05:15] <closure> not particularly
[05:15] <closure> i just want the background and a login prompt really
[05:16] <closure> lol
[05:16] <lao_v> fair enuff.
[05:16] <gdh> closure: I'm sure we've been down this road already, but can you not get what you want via system administration => Login Manager?
[05:16] <gdh> I missed the start of this rant :)
[05:16] <moominski> its so addictive even though i can only do minor things lol
[05:16] <closure> no
[05:16] <closure> i'm seeing now
[05:16] <closure> i removed kdm theme manager just now
[05:16] <lao_v> kdm theme is not configurable through kcontrol at the moment
[05:17] <closure> and it's in my list of shit
[05:17] <lao_v> you have to edit the config file directly
[05:17] <gdh> moominski: Little things at the start are good - you're less likely to fuck it all up with little things :)
[05:17] <Riddell> nice quit message there from randabis :)
[05:17] <moominski> ive fucked it all up many times m8 lmao
[05:18] <LeeJunFan> yeah, but I like having my picture of me with my .45 on login that says dont touch this machine or I WILL SHOOT YOU! :)
[05:18] <moominski> hehe sweet thats wy i love linux u can do anything if you no how
[05:19] <gdh> Although that's good philosophy in general :)
[05:20] <LeeJunFan> Ignorance is not bliss. :(
[05:20] <LeeJunFan> Ask NASA.
[05:21] <closure> ok
[05:21] <closure> closer to the goal
[05:22] <LeeJunFan> closure: I've noticed on my system you cannot drag-drop a background image to login manager and have it work. The image must be in /usr/share/wallpapers
[05:22] <closure> what do you mean?
[05:25] <closure> ok
[05:26] <closure> somewhere i saw an option that was "show users at login"
[05:26] <closure> anybody know where it is?
[05:26] <closure> LeeJunFan, you mean for your desktop or the login?
[05:28] <LeeJunFan> closure: for login background image.
[05:28] <closure> hrm i just used one that was already there
[05:29] <closure> the "install more" should work though
[05:29] <closure> orrrrr
[05:29] <closure> you can try to go through 'background image'
[05:29] <closure> load an image there
[05:29] <closure> see if it comes up on the list
[05:41] <closure> damnit!
[05:41] <closure> i can't find this toggle
[05:41] <Brazmetal> did someone tested the Kubuntu RC ?
[05:42] <closure> LeeJunFan, what was that kdmrc path again?
[05:42] <Brazmetal> I have just installed and there's lots of bugs.
[05:42] <gdh> Brazmetal: It's a community testing program =)
[05:43] <closure> Brazmetal,  what are you having bugs with?
[05:43] <LeeJunFan> closure: /etc/kde3/kdm/
[05:43] <LeeJunFan> closure: kdmrc
[05:43] <closure> thx
[05:44] <Brazmetal> closure:  I cant use Kdesu, su... in the KDE.... Su just works in the terminal, but I can't run programs from there
[05:44] <closure> why can't you use it?
[05:44] <Brazmetal> whean i run a program the needs root's password, kdesu says that's wrong
[05:44] <Quinn_Storm> Brazmetal: the kubuntu kdesu has been patched to be a sudo
[05:45] <Quinn_Storm> Brazmetal: so enter your pwd not root's
[05:45] <closure> LeeJunFan, /etc/kde3/kdm/.kdmrc?
[05:45] <Brazmetal> closure: an error occurs
[05:45] <closure> i'm getting a blank file
[05:45] <LeeJunFan> nope. just kdmrc
[05:45] <Brazmetal> sudo?
[05:45] <closure> hrm
[05:45] <Brazmetal> closure:  I can't edit the sudoers file
[05:46] <closure> i don't know man i haven't heard that one
[05:46] <closure> you know your sudo pass is your user pass
[05:46] <Quinn_Storm> Brazmetal: it should be okay without doing that...if entering your password doesn't work in kdesu, try adding yourself to the 'wheel' group
[05:46] <Brazmetal> I know
[05:46] <closure> that tripped me up a little bit
[05:46] <Brazmetal> bu when I use sudo
[05:46] <Brazmetal> and put the user passwd
[05:46] <Brazmetal> the konsole says that the user isn't in the sudors file
[05:47] <closure> strange
[05:47] <LeeJunFan> Brazmetal: did you create a new user after installation?
[05:47] <closure> you're running a one user set up?
[05:47] <Brazmetal> LeeJunFan: of course
[05:47] <LeeJunFan> Brazmetal: groups [username] 
[05:47] <Brazmetal> i can't run kuser...
[05:48] <closure> LeeJunFan, ok under HiddenUsers=
[05:48] <LeeJunFan> Brazmetal: make sure admin is the list.
[05:48] <closure> how woul i make that all?
[05:48] <Brazmetal> LeeJunFan: what?
[05:48] <LeeJunFan> closure: after you remove the theme you can use kcontrol to edit all the other stuff.
[05:49] <Brazmetal> when I run a program from the terminal
[05:49] <Brazmetal> it says:
[05:49] <LeeJunFan> Brazmetal: run 'groups <username>' from the command line
[05:49] <Brazmetal> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[05:49] <closure> do you know where the toggle is to hide the users?
[05:49] <Brazmetal> Xlib: No protocol specified
[05:49] <Brazmetal> kuser: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[05:49] <LeeJunFan> closure: not sure editing kdmrc. I used kcontrol for that.
[05:50] <Brazmetal> root@metalslave:/home/dangerous # groups dangerous
[05:50] <closure> yeah
[05:50] <Brazmetal> dangerous : dangerous adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner
[05:50] <closure> where is it in kcontrol?
[05:50] <closure> i remember seeing it
[05:50] <closure> but i don't remember
[05:50] <closure> where
[05:50] <LeeJunFan> Brazmetal: there's your problem dangerous is not part of admin group.
[05:50] <LeeJunFan> Brazmetal: sudo works for users who are part of admin group.
[05:50] <Brazmetal> LeeJunFan: what must i do? dangerous is the user I added during the instalation...
[05:51] <Brazmetal> I can't do anything in Kubuntu :(
[05:52] <LeeJunFan> Brazmetal: easiest way is to edit /etc/group and add dangerous at end of line that starts with admin:
[05:52] <Brazmetal> i will try
[05:52] <closure> LeeJunFan, do you remember where that toggle is?
[05:52] <LeeJunFan> closure: sudo -s ; kcontrol
[05:52] <Brazmetal> but I think I wont be able to edit.
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> closure: System Administration -> Login Manager -> Users (Tab)
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> Brazmetal: apparently you have root access. if you are root you can edit it.
[05:53] <closure> i'm there
[05:54] <Brazmetal> LeeJunFan:  hey, I openned /etc/group: adm:x:4:dangerous
[05:54] <closure> lol
[05:54] <closure> show list
[05:54] <closure> i sat there at that screen for like an hour
[05:54] <Brazmetal> dangerous is in the admin group
[05:54] <LeeJunFan> Brazmetal: not adm - admin
[05:54] <closure> like "where is the damn option!?"
[05:54] <Brazmetal> LeeJunFan: there isn't this group...
[05:55] <Quinn_Storm> LeeJunFan: Brazmetal: it's "wheel" not "admin"
[05:55] <LeeJunFan> Brazmetal: once that change is made you will have to log dangerous out and back in to have those changes take effect.
[05:56] <LeeJunFan> Quinn_Storm: not on mine.
[05:56] <Brazmetal> Quinn_Storm: there isn't this group too ... :(
[05:56] <LeeJunFan> # Members of the admin group may gain root privileges
[05:56] <LeeJunFan> %admin  ALL=(ALL) ALL
[05:57] <Quinn_Storm> heh mine has %wheel  ALL=(ALL) ALL
[05:57] <Brazmetal> LeeJunFan: A fact... I cant edit sudoers file. Yeas I openned /etc/sudoers as root.
[05:57] <Quinn_Storm> Brazmetal: use visudo as root
[05:58] <LeeJunFan> Brazmetal: look for a line like %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL in yours. Perhaps you have a differnt %group than I do also.
[05:58] <Brazmetal> LeeJunFan:  in the sudores? There isn't this line
[05:59] <LeeJunFan> Brazmetal: wth?
[05:59] <LeeJunFan> Brazmetal: ok - then quick way = add this:
[06:00] <LeeJunFan> dangerous ALL=(ALL) ALL
[06:00] <Brazmetal> i'm trying
[06:00] <LeeJunFan> Brazmetal: that will allow only user dangerous to use sudo as root.
[06:00] <LeeJunFan> how the hell can we have 3 different people with 3 different sudoers setups ? :)
[06:01] <Quinn_Storm> mine probably came from running the expert setup...I have a weird (k)ubuntu system
[06:02] <closure> woohoo!
[06:02] <LeeJunFan> Quinn_Storm: probably. I'm going to check my server - I did expert on that one.
[06:02] <closure> after 7 hours i think i've config'd the desktop to my liking
[06:02] <Quinn_Storm> LeeJunFan: IIRC I had to add the line to my sudoers file actually
[06:02] <Brazmetal> LeeJunFan: ok, now I'm able to run sudo in the run command option... But i can't run programs from the konsole :(
[06:03] <k-s> I'm using digikam, what a great App! But (k)ubuntu doesn't package kipi plugins... there is a cool one that upload my pictures to my gallery (http://gallery.sf.net)
[06:03] <k-s> also, k3b cannot convert mp3 -> cdda :(
[06:03] <gdh> k-s: kipi is on the ToDo list..
[06:04] <k-s> gdh: really? Will take too much to be in?
[06:04] <gdh> k-s: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuKDEStatus
[06:04] <gdh> Ask Riddell  :)
[06:04] <k-s> Riddell: what's your word? ;-)
[06:04] <Riddell> "radge"  
[06:05] <Riddell> what's the question?
[06:05] <k-s> wow!!! Great... using kde 3.4 and konqueror supports shadows!
[06:05] <k-s> wonderful!
[06:05] <gdh> haha :)
[06:05] <k-s> any other browser supports that?
[06:05] <LeeJunFan> Brazmetal: like what? example?
[06:05] <Riddell> oh aye, the kipi package had some problems so was rejected, I'll try and re-upload it sometime
[06:05] <Riddell> k-s: safari does
[06:05] <Brazmetal> LeeJunFan:  like this
[06:06] <Brazmetal> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[06:06] <Brazmetal> Xlib: No protocol specified
[06:06] <Brazmetal> (synaptic:7342): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[06:06] <k-s> probably the shadow thing comes from safari :)
[06:06] <k-s> Riddell: what kind of rejection? Dependency issues, build problems?
[06:06] <Riddell> not packaged properly or something
[06:06] <LeeJunFan> Brazmetal: make sure what you get when you run 'hostname' is included on the 127.0.0.1 line in /etc/hosts
[06:07] <k-s> how about k3b + mp3 decoding, any ideas?
[06:07] <gdh> Riddell: I got a package for syncekonnector made.. just cleaning it up to keep linda and lintian happy :)
[06:08] <gdh> Riddell: it really should be 'libsyncekonnector0' for a version 0.2 of a library, yeh?
[06:08] <LeeJunFan> Brazmetal: so you are logged into kde as dangerous and you've used sudo to run a gtk program and you get this?
[06:08] <Riddell> gdh: cool, libsyncekonnector0 sounds about right
[06:09] <Brazmetal> LeeJunFan: when I run 'hostname', it shows the name of the computer... In the 127.0.0.1 line there is 'localhost'
[06:09] <Brazmetal> LeeJunFan: yes..
[06:09] <LeeJunFan> Brazmetal: add the name of your computer exactly as hostname shows it to /etc/hosts
[06:09] <Brazmetal> other things I can't do.
[06:09] <Brazmetal> Edit the menu K
[06:09] <Brazmetal> Adjust the time
[06:09] <LeeJunFan> 127.0.0.1       localhost.localdomain   localhost       archi2this
[06:10] <LeeJunFan> Brazmetal: how are you trying to edit kmenu?
[06:10] <LeeJunFan> Brazmetal: right click K "Menu Editor" ?
[06:10] <motaboy> k-s: yes it the css 3-something support
[06:11] <closure> anybody know of an easy way to make a background transparent in an image
[06:11] <Brazmetal> LeeJunFan:  in the 192.168.254.1 (my ip in the router)line there is the name of my computer...
[06:11] <k-s> motaboy: I remember something about shadows in css2.1
[06:11] <k-s> motaboy: but maybe I'm wrong
[06:11] <Brazmetal> LeeJunFan:  yes, It's broken... I figured out i can edit it running "kmenuedit"
[06:11] <LeeJunFan> Brazmetal: that's actually fixed if you do your updates.
[06:11] <Brazmetal> but right click on the menu K doesn't work
[06:12] <Brazmetal> oh fine...
[06:12] <motaboy> k-s: maybe. :D But I was thinking that firefox fully supported cs 2.1
[06:13] <Brazmetal> LeeJunFan: what updates exactly?
[06:13] <LeeJunFan> Brazmetal: the kde ones.
[06:13] <LeeJunFan> Brazmetal: do you have a fast connection?
[06:13] <Brazmetal> ah ok..
[06:14] <randabis> hmm...can't change the clock for some reason
[06:14] <Brazmetal> LeeJunFan:  so so. eheheh
[06:14] <LeeJunFan> Brazmetal: I was going to suggest - apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade - to do ALL needed updates to your system.
[06:16] <Brazmetal> LeeJunFan:  how many Megabytes? I'm using the just released RC version
[06:18] <kbitty> 3 days till release
[06:18] <kbitty> w00t
[06:20] <Brazmetal> Is it possible to update to the final release?
[06:20] <closure> LeeJunFan, you know how to change the K menu icon
[06:20] <Brazmetal> I'm using the last RC release.
[06:21] <psn_laptop> Brazmetal: yes
[06:23] <Brazmetal> fine
[06:24] <Brazmetal> does someone here has the full sources.list for ubuntu hoary ?
[06:24] <owner> hi
[06:24] <Brazmetal> universe, multiverse, this kind of things?
[06:24] <loren> Kubuntu has kindof rough fonts, how do i change this to smooth?
[06:24] <gdh> control center -> fonts -> anti aliasing
[06:24] <loren> thank you
[06:25] <gdh> probaly 'looks and appearance' in there too somewhere
[06:25] <loren> k
[06:29] <randabis> yes
[06:29] <randabis> Brazmetal: yes
[06:30] <mellow> does (k)ubuntu automatically install a complete kde desktop? or is there a choice to simply install the base applications?
[06:31] <faddat> Mellow: Kubuntu is a complete KDE desktop, and it's quite a nice one at that
[06:31] <faddat> It's more or less only KDE (at least what's on the CD)
[06:31] <faddat> but it's since it's ubuntu, you can add whatever you want from the repositories
[06:31] <kbitty> has ne one got nvidea drivers hardware accel working on kubuntu?
[06:32] <mellow> faddat, the problem is that i dont need desktop components on a server installation ;)
[06:32] <faddat> ahhh, I see :)
[06:33] <faddat> maybe you should try running the installer CD
[06:33] <gdh> mellow: then you're in the wrong place =) try www.debian.org :)
[06:33] <mellow> and i dont really want to maintain two reprositys (one for pure debian, one for ubuntu)
[06:33] <kbitty> why install kubuntu as a server?
[06:33] <faddat> and not install any graphical components
[06:33] <faddat> yeah, that makes sense to me Mellow.  I'd just strip off everything you don't need
[06:33] <mellow> why not?
[06:34] <faddat> then you can use the repositories to stay up to date
[06:34] <mellow> i think i build my own installation cd, using necessary parts of kubuntu
[06:34] <faddat> you colud do that, too
[06:34] <e-motion> sieht mich noch jemand?
[06:34] <gdh> sounds like an awful lot of needless work...
[06:34] <e-motion> oer bin ich offline?
[06:34] <e-motion> ich glaube mein dns funzt nimmer gescheit
[06:35] <e-motion> so ein drecksrouter
[06:35] <e-motion> nonamedrecl
[06:35] <e-motion> nonamedreck
[06:35] <psn_laptop> mellow: why not just do a server install?
[06:35] <mellow> e-motion, nein
[06:35] <mellow> ?
[06:35] <mellow> what do you mean with "do a server install"
[06:36] <psn_laptop> mellow: write server at the boot prompt when installing
[06:36] <mellow> ah. kewl.
[06:36] <mellow> this is what i was looking for.
[06:37] <mellow> and it wont install any graphical components?
[06:37] <psn_laptop> mellow: not as far i understand
[06:37] <mellow> kewl. thanks a lot.
[06:40] <coruja> it won't, i've done a server install, no x-server, no kde...
[06:42] <motaboy> For who is interested an initial package for konqueror metabar is up on my dev page.
[06:42] <motaboy> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SimoneGotti
[06:43] <loren> some of my icons in the Kicker arn't smooth, is this because of the individual icons or is there something in KDE i can change to make them look better
[06:44] <motaboy> UH! my wiki lost the last changes... why...
[06:44] <mellow> loren, which icon size do you use?
[06:45] <motaboy> Ok it's written ion the last changes...
[06:45] <loren> i believe it's at 16x as the panel icons (panel note), as the panel is at 30px
[06:45] <mellow> it may be, that no icons are available in this size - so kde tries to scale them. 
[06:46] <motaboy> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage/diff
[06:46] <mellow> this may cause such ugly effect, unless you use svg icons
[06:46] <loren> ah
[06:46] <loren> i believe im using SVG-Crystal but who knows :( lol
[06:47] <loren> maby i should try Crystal GT
[06:47] <loren> and god how do i turn off these irritating sounds, hmmh im lokin for it
[06:48] <loren> ah system notifications
[06:48] <k-s> Riddell: about the k3b-mp3 thing, do you have any ideas if it will be fixed?
[06:50] <Roey> hi
[06:51] <k-s> Roey: hi
[06:51] <Roey> does this page show up for anyone? http://www.gallerycondo.com/index.html
[06:51] <LeeJunFan> Roey: yeah, it's flash.
[06:51] <Quinn_Storm> Roey: its fine for me
[06:51] <moominski> not me but i need flashplayer installed
[06:51] <Roey> ok, it's flash. arg.
[06:52] <Roey> what's the flash package in ubuntu?
[06:52] <k-s> Roey: I don't think we have one, I installed from macromedia site :(
[06:52] <Roey> libswfdec0.3 ?
[06:52] <k-s> Roey: same for java... that sux... no automatic update, :(
[06:52] <Quinn_Storm> don't use libswfdec, ewww...and there is flashplugin-nonfree in multiverse (I think)
[06:52] <Roey> k-s:  macromedia has a linux player that doesn't suck?
[06:53] <Roey> Quinn_Storm:  thanks
[06:53] <LeeJunFan> Roey: the open source player is crap. you need the one from macromedia.
[06:53] <Quinn_Storm> libswfdec crashes every time I try to use it
[06:53] <Roey> yeah.
[06:53] <Roey> yes it is crap.
[06:53] <Roey> I don't know why it can't render half the pages.
[06:53] <Quinn_Storm> I happen to love homestarrunner so I need flash
[06:53] <gdh> libswfdec is entertaining when watching www.badgerbadgerbadger.com :) 
[06:53] <LeeJunFan> Roey: you aren't running 64bit are you?
[06:53] <Quinn_Storm> what's it do, gdh?
[06:53] <Roey> LeeJunFan:  yesss, yes I am.
[06:53] <gdh> sound that will blow your eardrums, and all the wrong speed
[06:53] <Quinn_Storm> lol
[06:54] <LeeJunFan> Roey: then yer pretty much screwed. :)
[06:54] <Roey> LeeJunFan:  how so
[06:54] <Quinn_Storm> yeah the macromedia version is x86-32 only
[06:54] <LeeJunFan> Macromedia only supplies a 32 bit version.
[06:54] <Roey> but isn't there a libc compatibility layer?
[06:54] <LeeJunFan> so it's linked against libraries that don't exist on your linux box.
[06:54] <loren> sup Roey from KDE ;)
[06:54] <Roey> loren:  hi!
[06:55] <Roey> loren:  thanks for the tip :)
[06:55] <loren> LeeJunFan that doesn't happen every day
[06:55] <LeeJunFan> Roey: and of course your installed browsers are 64 bit also. :(
[06:55] <Roey> LeeJunFan:  yep
[06:55] <loren> roey: dont remember the top but sure :) XD
[06:55] <loren> oh
[06:55] <loren> heh
[06:55] <moominski> how do make a minamized window look transparent
[06:56] <Roey> LeeJunFan:  64-bit goodness precludes me from installing Macromedia's flash.
[06:56] <apokryphos> moominski: do you have an nvidia card?
[06:56] <moominski> yes
[06:56] <LeeJunFan> Roey: I was gonna try the chroot way of running 32 bit apps, but I need vmware for my work, and chroot isn't going to help me put 32 bit modules in a 64 bit kernel :)
[06:56] <apokryphos> moominski: drivers installed?
[06:56] <moominski> yup
[06:56] <Roey> LeeJunFan:  ah
[06:56] <apokryphos> Ok, one sec.
[06:56] <loren> roey: Click K Menu>System>Package Manager (kynaptic) that's the link to the package manager, but you should have found it easily, as for running it, i just discovered that i think Kubuntu comes wiht mozilla/maby firefox preinstalled
[06:56] <Roey> LeeJunFan:  seems like this amd64 stuff causes problems for us then ;)
[06:56] <__P__3> libvorbis0a (>=1.1.0) ma 1.0.1-1 verr installato
[06:56] <LeeJunFan> Roey: so I just use the 386 version.
[06:56] <Roey> loren:  oh! something else:
[06:57] <__P__3> where  is  livorbis 1.1?
[06:57] <Roey> loren:  firefox doesn't respond to anything
[06:57] <loren> roey: really? you're on 64 you said?
[06:57] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell moominski ubucomposite
[06:57] <Pyre> moominski: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20769
[06:57] <Roey> I open firefox on Ubuntu, and I can't click to put a cursor in the url bar.
[06:57] <Roey> loren:  yes
[06:57] <LeeJunFan> Roey: yeah, some distro's do better jobs with 64 bit - like fedora which has both x86 and 64 bit libs installed at the same time, but at the expense of taking up twice the install space.
[06:57] <Roey> LeeJunFan:  it installs two versions of the same program???
[06:57] <LeeJunFan> Roey: no, just the libs
[06:57] <apokryphos> moominski: follow those instructions; then... you can alter translucency effects from kcontrol
[06:58] <Roey> LeeJunFan:  didn't windows have this 'thunking' layer or something that allowed win16 programs to run on win32?
[06:58] <moominski> apokryphos>  should that link help me
[06:58] <moominski> ok thanks im slow
[06:58] <moominski> lol
[06:58] <apokryphos> moominski: it's a tutorial on how to get that. You'll need to be using the X composite extension
[06:58] <Quinn_Storm> Roey: that's exactly what it was called...thunking...no idea why...
[06:58] <moominski> ok
[06:59] <loren> roey: it's probably some package instability since 64 still hasn't overtaken x86, i'm not sure what to suggest, as i dont think firefox is the reason it's really crashing/not working, but rather some other packages installed
[06:59] <LeeJunFan> Roey: For as long as linux has claimed 64 bit compatability you would think there would be a better way to support 32 in 64. Windows does it.
[06:59] <loren> oh you fix it?
[06:59] <loren> oh and Opera is also an option i believe
[07:00] <Roey> LeeJunFan:  hehe
[07:01] <Roey> Quinn_Storm:  a thinking chunk?
[07:01] <Quinn_Storm> hehe, perhaps, or it could be a typeHunk
[07:01] <Roey> Quinn_Storm:  anyway I think Dave Cutler might have come up with it, lemme check
[07:02] <Roey>  <programming> /thuhnk/ 1. "A piece of coding which provides an
[07:02] <Roey>  address", according to P. Z. Ingerman, who invented thunks in
[07:02] <Roey>  1961 as a way of binding actual parameters to their formal
[07:02] <Roey>  definitions in ALGOL 60 procedure calls. If a procedure
[07:02] <Roey>  is called with an expression in the place of a formal
[07:02] <Roey>  parameter, the compiler generates a thunk which computes the
[07:02] <Roey>  expression and leaves the address of the result in some
[07:02] <Roey>  standard location.
[07:03] <Roey> "That's all there is to it! <said facetiously>  All in all, thunking is probably one of the most complex and challenging aspects of Windows programming.  Even relatively easy calls can take hours to debug because of quirks and limitations in the ASM thunking layer code.  This is not intended to scare anyone away from using thunking code but is rather intended as a warning that implementing thunks is no "walk in the park".  Hopefully, this arti
[07:03] <Roey> cle and the companion example project will go a long toward making thunk implementation from 32bit VB a much easier undertaking.  You will also want to be sure to visit the section on thunking in the Win32 SDK for a full understanding of this topic."
[07:03] <Roey> http://www.mvps.org/vbvision/thunks.htm
[07:04] <loren> btw, what is the most stable version of x86_64
[07:05] <Roey> loren:  are you a developer, btw
[07:06] <loren> Game Developer :P
[07:06] <loren> software developer under SDL
[07:06] <loren> a lil bit
[07:06] <loren> but uhm, Linux Developer, not really, i have been researching linux non stop for the past month and a half
[07:06] <loren> like crazy i might add
[07:07] <loren> maby i shouldn't talk to much, but it's actually because im building an OEM linux easy to use
[07:07] <Roey> oh wow
[07:07] <Roey> cool
[07:07] <apokryphos> loren: You're probably quite safe with the RC
[07:07] <Roey> loren:  what do you work on in game development?
[07:07] <Roey> loren:  that's a holy grail for slashdot nerds, that job
[07:08] <loren> apokryphos: RC1 comes out within the week right? yeah RC1's gonna be decently safe i'm writing modification documentation for each system so others can mod it
[07:08] <loren> Roey: uhm, 
[07:08] <apokryphos> loren: Nope, it came out a few days ago..
[07:09] <apokryphos> loren: Final is out on Friday
[07:09] <loren> No way! 0_o
[07:09] <apokryphos> loren: see /topic :)
[07:09] <loren> im still on 4.42? or something like that
[07:09] <loren> oh
[07:09] <apokryphos> loren: you're on Warty? :-O
[07:09] <loren> Roey: i've been developing a FF/Zelda inspired game for about 5 years, uhm, i made a bumper cards game, im working on a pacman game with a guy from australia in SDL and uhm yeah
[07:10] <loren> apokryphos: Is that the pre version? no wonder it has a problem here and there lol
[07:10] <moominski> iget this wen trying to add repositories W: Couldn't stat source package list http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists
[07:10] <apokryphos> Yes -- *very* dated package-wise.
[07:10] <loren> haha, once i finish writing this documentation it's straight to updating XD
[07:10] <loren> how about you Roy, what do you do?
[07:11] <apokryphos> moominski: you've got an error in your sources.list, unless the mirror is down (doubtful). Could you pastebin.com your sources.list ?
[07:11] <moominski> how
[07:11] <Roey> loren:  ah, me
[07:11] <Roey> loren:  I'm this dude who works in information security in virginia
[07:11] <apokryphos> moominski: go to www.pastebin.com and paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list there. Then gimme the link.
[07:11] <loren> apokryphos: i noticed opening applications correctly is kindof irritating, espeically debs and uhm, other stuff, i dont think GL is installed right,
[07:11] <moominski> ok
[07:12] <Roey> loren:  out of college for two years, looking to get back in (as disgusting as it sounds) for master's
[07:12] <loren> ah
[07:12] <Roey> loren:  I like Python programming and have been doing it since 97
[07:12] <loren> haha owch man
[07:12] <loren> wow
[07:12] <apokryphos> loren: You're actually quite right :), and I'm not even sure if they've fixed that yet. There were conflicts with OpenGL and X
[07:12] <Roey> loren:  back when noone even knew what it was :)
[07:12] <apokryphos> loren: so are you running KDE 3.2 there? 
[07:12] <loren> that's totally awsome man haha
[07:12] <loren> that was the year of linux's rising
[07:13] <moominski> apokryphos>  wots the code
[07:13] <loren> Microsoft created their own dimease though their own product, the internet ;)
[07:13] <Roey> loren:  btw, I've had this ff-style rpg in the works forever.  Also since 97.  In python.  Nothing works.  It's just a framework, and the main idea keeps changing.
[07:13] <apokryphos> moominski: to view a file? ;-) 
[07:13] <Roey> loren:  I even set up a page on sourceforge a long time ago, but nothing became of it (school and stuff got in the way)
[07:13] <loren> Roey: sounds simular
[07:13] <Roey> *similar
[07:13] <Roey> but!
[07:13] <moominski> yes
[07:13] <Roey> em
[07:13] <loren> ah rofl lol
[07:13] <moominski> i think
[07:14] <Roey> loren:  how far are you with yours?
[07:14] <apokryphos> moominski: surely you know how to do that =)
[07:14] <Roey> loren:  are you doing the art for it? how much would it cost?
[07:14] <apokryphos> moominski: use a program to open it with. You can kate/kwrite
[07:15] <apokryphos> if you just wanted to view the things in command line you could also use "cat <file>
[07:15] <loren> Roey: I've been developing a game for 6 years, and it's still wishy washy, i keep coming up with better ideas, haha mine? uhhhm, I've been learning about computers for 6 years to program it lol, i'm doing all art and could prolly fill every job since i know Photoshop, Paint for Spriting, Demi Decent coding skills~Still learning SDL and OpenGL
[07:15] <apokryphos> (cancel the evil quote mark)
[07:15] <loren> Roey: As for if you paid someone, it depends on who you get, i know some people that would just do it for fun and sell tons of sprites and awsome stuff for like 50$
[07:15] <loren> Roey: Nintendo Liscensing Fees  are 15,000 though
[07:15] <Roey> loren:  ok
[07:15] <loren> if you develope for DS :(
[07:15] <Roey> oh wow
[07:15] <apokryphos> ouch
[07:15] <loren> it's bad, but not nearly as bad as console
[07:15] <Roey> loren:  are you developing for a commercial system?
[07:15] <moominski> i know wot i have to do m8 but cant remember where my source list is 
[07:16] <Roey> loren:  I mean, this is a commercial project yes?
[07:16] <apokryphos> moominski: well, I did give you the path to it above :P. It's in /etc/apt
[07:16] <loren> Roey: I was thinking about it as i got Code Warrior and had like uhm... Code Warrior 7 for Gamecube and PS2 i think, commercial, actually im building this OEM linux for make money to fund it
[07:17] <Roey> awesome.
[07:17] <loren> I'm actually in the process of re-writing the technical docs 
[07:17] <loren> yeah
[07:17] <loren> The origonal maps had i think 20-30 different locations
[07:17] <loren> like Zelda-Size Locations
[07:17] <loren> and i started working on terrain and character sprites but that was a while ago and they suck
[07:17] <Roey> ok
[07:18] <loren> What types of things did you get done in your RPG?
[07:18] <Roey> loren:  oh like I said, the idea changed so many times that nothing became of it
[07:18] <loren> oh lol
[07:18] <Roey> loren:  It's gone through these ideas:
[07:18] <Roey> loren:  FF 
[07:19] <Roey> loren:  online RPG
[07:19] <loren> yeah, i've had countless good stories, but there was so much good stuff to choose from, Online? very awsome,
[07:19] <apokryphos> FF as in.. Final Fantasy?
[07:19] <Roey> loren:  everquest-like online FF rpg
[07:19] <Roey> yes
[07:19] <Roey> apokryphos:  I never got the graphics
[07:19] <loren> you'd appreciate a game called Chaos Control
[07:19] <loren> Roey:
[07:19] <Roey> loren:  aaah
[07:19] <apokryphos> FF7 greatest game of all time :P
[07:19] <loren> want a link/
[07:19] <Roey> loren:  I was too preoccupied with the proper way to make the framework
[07:19] <Roey> loren:  sure
[07:20] <loren> ah, i'm to preoccupied with story, characters, layouts, items, maps
[07:20] <Quinn_Storm> I know someone in a similar position, it seems to happen to a lot of people out to make a game...they spend all their time on the framework
[07:20] <loren> 1 sec it's kindof hard to find a link sometimes
[07:20] <Roey> loren:   but you have the engine at least:)
[07:21] <loren> yeah i have something to build off of, i found a Zelda3 OpenGL engine ;)
[07:21] <loren> and there's SDL which i absolutly love
[07:21] <loren> because it's cross platform ;
[07:21] <loren> ;)
[07:21] <apokryphos> distrowatch in its omniscience has finally acknowledged Ubuntu's glory :P no. 1
[07:21] <Roey> :)
[07:22] <loren> Apokryphos: hell yeah, i just looked the other day, everything but Ubuntu is down lol
[07:22] <loren> the past month Ubuntu kills
[07:22] <loren> i even loved ubuntu before it because KDE, it was the best Gnome disto available
[07:22] <loren>  /is
[07:22] <Quinn_Storm> ubuntu is in its glory now and if it keeps up the impressive pace it will stay there, debian could have been there but they slacked off
[07:22] <apokryphos> and just wait till the final comes out!
[07:23] <loren> haha yeah
[07:23] <loren> debian rocks
[07:23] <loren> but i dislike the user interface
[07:23] <loren> as in
[07:23] <loren> the feel
[07:23] <mellow> i am on slackware 10.1 right now - so i am slacked off, too ;)
[07:23] <apokryphos> loren: that really seems to be DM stuff :P
[07:23] <mellow> using kde 3.4 of course.
[07:23] <apokryphos> *DE
[07:23] <Quinn_Storm> lol, I started with slack way back when but now that I know the wonderfulness of apt I won't go back, ever :-P
[07:24] <gdh> I think a lot of people did :)
[07:24] <loren> apokryphos: DM? lol i connect that with a guy called xDragonMasterx ;)
[07:24] <apokryphos> loren: Sorry, meant DE -- Desktop Environment
[07:24] <apokryphos> for feel etc.
[07:24] <mellow> there are some reasons for not using apt - f.e. uninstallation of packages is a mess.
[07:25] <gdh> it is?
[07:25] <apokryphos> Can't say I've had problems with any of that
[07:25] <loren> ah
[07:25] <Quinn_Storm> the only "mess" about it is finding "orphaned" packages
[07:25] <loren> wow Roey: sorry it took so long this link's so hard to find http://www.mj2.info/
[07:25] <loren> Roey: very very good game
[07:26] <gdh> and deborphan can help with that... just pipe output into xargs apt-get -y remove :)
[07:26] <mellow> Quinn_Storm, this is what i mean.
[07:26] <mellow> f.e. it does not seem to uninstall meta packages.
[07:26] <mellow> with its complete content.
[07:26] <Quinn_Storm> its not a huge deal if you know your system...really orphaned packages aren't a big deal, the worst they do is take up tiny amounts of space
[07:26] <loren> i hear Wine can now run StarCraft and Steam without as many problems
[07:26] <apokryphos> mellow: well, it does uninstall them, but as a metapackage -- it doesn't remove things that it depends on
[07:27] <apokryphos> mellow: but you can use debfoster for that
[07:27] <loren> hmmh i need to download RC1
[07:27] <apokryphos> loren: nope ;-)
[07:27] <apokryphos> loren: apt-get, remember :P
[07:27] <loren> ah lol
[07:27] <apokryphos> You should be fine with the latest stuff
[07:27] <mellow> apokryphos, i take a look at it, right now.
[07:27] <loren> apt get dist-update ?
[07:28] <apokryphos> Nope, since you're switching from Warty, you need to alter your sources.list
[07:28] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell loren ubuhoary
[07:28] <Pyre> loren: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[07:28] <mellow> also compiling own /updated libs makes it sometimes hard, as some installed apps may depend on the old libs, included
[07:28] <loren> Pyre: thank you
[07:28] <loren> hey Roey you still here kindof?
[07:29] <loren> is amaroK built off of JuK ?
[07:29] <Roey> loren:  yes
[07:29] <Roey> loren:  btw for an SF2 clone, I found Mugen
[07:29] <loren> nice
[07:29] <loren> yeah?
[07:30] <loren> is that a person or another game? haha
[07:30] <apokryphos> loren: No, I believe it was only an inspiration.
[07:30] <Roey> loren:  unfortunately Mugen sorta did the opposite of what I consider practical:  they made the engine pay and the art open-source (open to enthusiasts), instead of making the engine open-source and the art for-pay (and also open to enthusiasts)
[07:30] <Roey> loren:  Mugen is a Street Fighter enging
[07:30] <loren> 0_o wow strange
[07:30] <Roey> *engine
[07:30] <loren> ah
[07:31] <loren> do you have AIM btw?
[07:31] <Roey> loren:  even Wolf's engine is open-source--its art is commecial though
[07:31] <Roey> loren:  sure, ShlomoCrescendo
[07:31] <loren> Corey4150
[07:31] <loren> ok i added you
[07:32] <loren> that's strange though, egning pay graphics open source eh? lol i never even heard of Open Source Graphics
[07:32] <Roey> hmm you're not on
[07:32] <loren> 0_o
[07:32] <Roey> loren:  that's how Id did it
[07:32] <loren> 1 sec
[07:32] <loren> maby aim died
[07:33] <Roey> loren:  the engines are gpl'd
[07:33] <loren> yea
[07:33] <Roey> loren:  the art is for-pay
[07:33] <gdh> Hopefully AOL died :)
[07:33] <loren> true
[07:33] <Roey> loren:  I have to bbiab though, I'm apartment hunting
[07:33] <Roey> (rockville, MD area)
[07:33] <loren> haha lol nice
[07:34] <loren> you're added on aim and it says your not on 0_o i just rebotted AIM too or Kopete
[07:34] <Roey> ok :)
[07:36] <loren> hmmh
[07:36] <loren> :)
[07:36] <loren> i still need RC1 lol i should finish reading that page
[07:37] <Roey> loren:  I'll BBIAB
[07:38] <loren> alright, go do some apartment diggin ;)
[07:42] <loren> deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20050317)] / hoary main restricted
[07:42] <loren> i guess i do have the new version of Kubuntu
[07:42] <loren> weird
[07:42] <apokryphos> loren: what does cat /etc/issue give?
[07:43] <loren> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Development Branch \n \l
[07:43] <apokryphos> Yeah, you're definitely on it...
[07:43] <loren> haha ok good :)
[07:43] <apokryphos> Preview was a couple of weeks ago though, roughly
[07:43] <apokryphos> you can upgrade now, if you like; could wait till official, but up to you.
[07:43] <kikov> I don't understand why people talk about "Kubuntu" as it is a different thing that ubuntu...
[07:43] <kikov> any idea?
[07:44] <loren> just because of the name
[07:44] <loren> i really wish they would have just called it ubuntu
[07:44] <loren> it'd be more simple
[07:44] <gdh> People see it as a fork :)
[07:44] <loren> or Ubuntu "KDE Edition"
[07:44] <apokryphos> kikov: might be because of the name
[07:44] <mellow> i really prefer kubuntu
[07:44] <gdh> GNOPPIX / KNOPPIX / MORPHIX etc. 
[07:44] <loren> heh
[07:44] <mellow> its kewler.
[07:44] <kikov> for example: [19:44]  <mellow> i really prefer kubuntu
[07:44] <kikov> gdh: it has nothing to do with that...
[07:45] <apokryphos> loren: if it was just Ubuntu there wouldn't be anything to differentiate it clearly from the CD
[07:45] <kikov> as GNOPPIX/*NOPPIX is though a Live-CD...
[07:45] <apokryphos> ubuntu-kde is too debian-like. Kubuntu is cool :). Asserts our position. ;-)
[07:45] <kikov> but people like me doesn't burn CD's
[07:45] <loren> then have like Ubuntu "KDE Edition ;)"
[07:45] <gdh> kikov: No, but the idea of forked versions of the same concept is now in the psyche...
[07:45] <kikov> I had a Debian-SID, and change my sources.list... and now, I have a Ubuntu
[07:45] <loren> then they could start up Gnome Edition
[07:45] <apokryphos> kikov: That doesn't really matter. It's about the fact that there are two seperate CDs: one with G, one with K.
[07:45] <kikov> I haven't seen Gnome
[07:45] <gdh> Yes, Kubuntu GNOME edition :)
[07:46] <apokryphos> hehe
[07:46] <mellow> gubuntu
[07:46] <kikov> apokryphos: just the CD?
[07:46] <mellow> aeh gnubuntu
[07:46] <kikov> well.. IMHO the CD is the less important thing in a Distro
[07:46] <apokryphos> kikov: sorry? 
[07:46] <loren> gubuntu?
[07:46] <loren> hah
[07:46] <mellow> as stallman would miss the gnu in the word.
[07:46] <loren> i really wish linux developers would come up with better names
[07:46] <apokryphos> But that's the way it is. To fit on one CD, can't have both DEs
[07:46] <loren> imo Ubuntu is fine
[07:46] <apokryphos> loren: any suggestions?
[07:47] <loren> haha, recruit a dummy and ask em what they'd call it
[07:47] <loren> ;)
[07:47] <loren> "Package Manager"
[07:47] <apokryphos> there needs to be a name for the KDE part of Ubuntu project. I really think Kubuntu beats Ubuntu-kde
[07:47] <kikov> by the way, I'm using "KUbuntu" now.. and I like it very much
[07:47] <apokryphos> cool :)
[07:47] <loren> it's my fav KDE Distro
[07:47] <mellow> i am going to move to kubuntu, too.
[07:47] <kikov> I really wanted KDE packages being compiled with the Visibility option of GCC-4
[07:48] <mellow> or cowbuntu?!?
[07:48] <loren> try to think practically though, half the people are scared of linux because they wouldn't know how to use it
[07:48] <mellow> mooh-buntu?
[07:48] <kikov> but I think that will not be possible at the moment
[07:48] <loren> but not that it's a good thing they dont want to use it hmmh
[07:48] <mellow> ok.ok. guess its enough.
[07:48] <loren> coz then the developers would likely move
[07:49] <mellow> is it true that horay uses modified sid sources? or is there a kind of freeze at a defined point, from which no more packages are accepted?
[07:50] <loren> ah fux
[07:50] <loren> Reading Package Lists... Done
[07:50] <kikov> I think finally SID and Kubuntu has to co-live
[07:50] <loren> W: GPG error: http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B629A24C38C6029A
[07:50] <mellow> exapt security updates
[07:50] <loren> W: GPG error: http://non-us.debian.org unstable/non-US Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B629A24C38C6029A
[07:50] <loren> W: GPG error: http://non-us.debian.org testing/non-US Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B629A24C38C6029A
[07:50] <loren> W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D
[07:50] <loren> W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D
[07:50] <loren> W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D
[07:50] <loren> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[07:51] <loren> what should i do?
[07:51] <loren> this is for sources.list apt-get
[07:52] <kikov> hahaha
[07:52] <kikov> this is the fucking new feature of apt-0.6!
[07:52] <kikov> :] 
[07:52] <kikov> gpg checks!
[07:52] <loren> they check to see if you're on debian disto
[07:52] <loren> no modification
[07:52] <loren> coz imo was on Xandros the other day before it died
[07:52] <loren> and it apt-getted
[07:53] <apokryphos> Ignore it; or, if you don't like seeing it... just find the key on the Internet
[07:53] <loren> Apt get doesn't work though without it unfortunatly
[07:54] <apokryphos> I don't think that should happen =), though it might well do. I guess you'll just have to get it from the Internet
[07:56] <loren> debian's bastards for doing that
[07:56] <loren> why would they even care
[07:57] <apokryphos> Well, we take their bandwidth without using their distro ;-)
[07:58] <loren> what assholes
[07:58] <loren> their distro sucks anyways
[07:58] <loren> at least compared to debian bases
[07:58] <loren> so much for debian being a good sitro
[07:58] <loren> distro
[07:59] <loren> what if you download to apt-get 0.5 lol
[08:00] <apokryphos> Hey! Saying Debian sucks is a lot like saying Ubuntu sucks :P
[08:00] <loren> has anyone replaced debian.org download servers im curious
[08:00] <apokryphos> Never use that.. always just used the marillat repo
[08:00] <apokryphos> (As in... I never use that)
[08:01] <loren>  what's that?
[08:01] <loren> oh
[08:01] <buz> does anybody have a WORKING how to on how to use ip over bluetooth with the sony P900?
[08:01] <loren> check the bluetooth documentation doing a search
[08:01] <eken> Have anyone had the same problem as I. I use the amd64 install, and I don't get any sound. (Audigy 2). The drivers are found and so on. Xmms i s playing, but I can not hear any sound
[08:02] <buz> loren: i did
[08:02] <loren> damn
[08:02] <loren> buz?
[08:02] <loren> did i talk to you the other day
[08:02] <buz> i can push stuff to it, but i couldn't get it to actually keep up a tcp ip connection
[08:02] <loren> it was it bu
[08:02] <apokryphos> loren: Debian marillat repo: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main .... for more have another line with "unstable" there instead of stable
[08:02] <buz> about what
[08:02] <loren> yay
[08:02] <loren> thanks
[08:04] <loren> god damnit lol
[08:04] <loren> Nermin wants my key too
[08:05] <loren> : GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[08:05] <loren> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[08:05] <loren> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[08:05] <apokryphos> loren: those you can ignore without problems :D
[08:05] <loren> oh alright XD
[08:09] <loren> hmr
[08:09] <loren> it says nerim.net could not be found according to debian
[08:10] <loren> oh
[08:10] <loren> but ftp can be XD
[08:55] <AMIGrAve> once I connected a usb-storage device (I can see it in /proc/bus/usb/devices) how can I know wich /dev/ node is assigned to it in order to mount it ?
[08:56] <loren> uhn
[08:56] <loren> magic? lol lets see
[08:57] <gdh> dmesg not say anything?
[08:57] <loren> do you have /mnt/ folder?
[08:57] <AMIGrAve> on my previous computer it used to be /dev/sda1
[08:57] <gdh> if you're very lucky it may have already been mounted in /media/
[08:57] <loren> oh you're on kubuntu?
[08:57] <loren> duh lol
[08:57] <gdh> :)
[08:58] <loren> stupid me
[08:59] <AMIGrAve> mount returns me only this line about usb : usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)   but the device is not mounted
[08:59] <loren> hmr
[08:59] <AMIGrAve> ok sorry
[08:59] <AMIGrAve> gdh: dmesg gave the info
[08:59] <AMIGrAve> sorry
[08:59] <loren> haha, it's all good im just thinking how the hel ldo you find uhm the mount name
[09:00] <loren> is it possible to get a list of all the decives connect?
[09:00] <loren> ~ed
[09:00] <loren> Control Center Information?
[09:00] <AMIGrAve> seems to be sdb
[09:02] <loren> we computer people need a weather picture on our computer to tell us if it's raining outside XD
[09:03] <Rene_S> anyone know the address to the .ca ubuntu archives ?
[09:04] <loren> ca as in canida or california
[09:04] <AMIGrAve> thanks all
[09:04] <Rene_S> canada
[09:04] <LeeJunFan> And an automatic screensaver that kicked in an locked me out when my wife is talking to me would save me some headaches too :)
[09:05] <Rene_S> I misplaced my latest kubuntu rc cd someplace so I had to use a hoary beta one, it defaults to the US mirror
[09:05] <loren> haha
[09:05] <loren> lucky you
[09:05] <loren> i have problems with OpenGL
[09:12] <Rene_S> figured it out
[09:12] <Rene_S> just had to add a .ca to the repository line
[09:28] <pjw> Is kubuntu-hoary-install-amd64.iso same as x86_64?
[09:30] <LeeJunFan> pjw: yes
[09:30] <LeeJunFan> pjw: ia64 is not. That is for itanium.
[09:32] <pjw> so, i can install software for x86
[09:32] <LeeJunFan> pjw: well, not 32 bit.
[09:32] <LeeJunFan> pjw: it's a PURE 64 bit install, meaning there are no 32 bit libs.
[09:34] <LeeJunFan> pjw: if you use 64 bit you will not be able to get 32 bit binary only things to work. ie. some modules provided by manufacturers (my modem), vmware (32 bit only), flash player, etc...
[09:34] <LeeJunFan> pjw: which is why I'm running i386 on my amd64 right now.
[09:36] <pjw> ok
[09:39] <loren> hey man
[09:39] <loren> anyone got a boot splash setup?
[09:39] <loren> i really really kindof require it lol
[09:42] <apokryphos> loren: there's no official ones, but there are a few instructions for it at places
[09:42] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell loren ububootsplash
[09:42] <Pyre> loren: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8257
[09:43] <apokryphos> Someone said they were working on one, but that was a long time ago... no idea if they still are.
[09:45] <LeeJunFan> anyone know how to get a screenshot of kdm login screen w/o a digital camera? :)
[09:45] <gdh> don't suppose pressing PrintScr puts it in the clipboard? :)
[09:46] <gdh> how about running xnest?
[09:46] <gdh> Normal GNOME Ubuntu does that from the Foot menu..
[09:47] <gdh> rather than start on a new virtual terminal, just runs a window within the current X desktop
[09:48] <LeeJunFan> hehe, edit Xsetup and put ksnapshot in it? :)
[09:48] <LeeJunFan> I'm gonna try.
[09:48] <moominski> how do i add extra repositories in kubuntu?
[09:48] <gdh> edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:48] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: you'd have to have libs loaded etc, wouldn't you?
[09:49] <moominski> where do i get sources
[09:49] <gdh> then update from kynaptic or just apt-get update
[09:49] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: imagemagick would be a better try ;-), but I'm a little sceptical
[09:49] <moominski> is that it
[09:49] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: X and kdm will be running by then. We'll see.
[09:49] <gdh> moominski: what is it you'r looking for?
[09:50] <LeeJunFan> brb
[09:50] <gdh> LeeJunFan: VMWare? bochs? User-Mode Linux?
[09:50] <LeeJunFan> gdh: that's a bit extreme :)
[09:50] <gdh> Hey, sledgehammers are very under-rated :)
[09:50] <gdh> heh
[09:51] <moominski> gdh: its m8 i figured it out thanks
[09:51] <moominski> anyway
[09:51] <gdh> =)
[09:51] <moominski> gotta take it easy on the joints
[09:52] <gdh> sounds like an idea...
[09:52] <moominski> forget wot im doin dude
[09:52] <moominski> lol
[09:52] <moominski> gdh where u livin now
[09:53] <gdh> Chorley - about 20 miles north-west of Manchester
[09:53] <moominski> u like it over there?
[09:54] <gdh> It's alright. I'm not allowed out after dark anyway so I never see any of the place :)
[09:55] <moominski> spoze ur just on ur comp allday
[09:55] <gdh> That's me - geek for $longtime
[09:56] <eckhart> hi
[09:56] <eckhart> how can i return kdm to the classical login, without theme?
[09:58] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: it worked. :)
[09:58] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: had to export HOME , then run ksnapshot. the ksnapshot window opened up on my login screen and I got my snap :)
[09:59] <apokryphos> Sweet :)
[09:59] <Rigga> hi anyone else got terrible looking fonts in certain kde apps?
[09:59] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: what file did you put that in?
[09:59] <apokryphos> Rigga: is anti-aliasing fonts turned on in kcontrol?
[09:59] <LeeJunFan>  /etc/kde3/kdm/Xsetup
[09:59] <apokryphos> cool, thanks.
[10:00] <Rigga> yep, some programs it looks fine but others (konversation as well) look real jaggy
[10:00] <LeeJunFan> export HOME=/root
[10:00] <LeeJunFan> /usr/bin/ksnapshot &
[10:00] <apokryphos> Rigga: did you just turn the option on now, perhaps? 
[10:00] <Rigga> nope ive rebooted as well
[10:00] <apokryphos> hm
[10:01] <apokryphos> Rigga: perhaps try changing the fonts konversation uses, from the Settings
[10:01] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: well, where's my file? hehe
[10:01] <Rigga> tried that, its almost like certain parts of kde have been compiled not to use truetype fonts
[10:01] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: you tell me ;-)
[10:01] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: it not ask where to save?
[10:01] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: maybe I should have wrot it to tmp.
[10:02] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: /root - but it didn't go there.
[10:02] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: if it's easier, you can use ImageMagick's "import" for screenies
[10:02] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: I'll have to give it another try with tmp
[10:02] <Rigga> its not just konversation its kget, control centre and many others
[10:02] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: right
[10:02] <apokryphos> Rigga: when did you install?
[10:02] <Rigga> yesterday and i have done all the updates
[10:04] <apokryphos> Hm, in kcontrol, under configuration for anti-aliasing fonts there isn't an excluded range, is there?
[10:04] <apokryphos> kind of clutching at straws, here ;-)
[10:04] <LeeJunFan> oops. there it was in / :)
[10:04] <apokryphos> heh
[10:05] <Rigga> yeah but none are excluded
[10:05] <apokryphos> and are you using the default fonts provided?
[10:05] <apokryphos> I don't really have any idea why it's doing that, sorry.
[10:07] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: now imagine the security risk if I had remote X open :) someone could replace /dev/hda with a screenshot :)
[10:08] <apokryphos> heh
[10:08] <Rigga> ok thanks for trying to help
[10:08] <moominski> No composite extension
[10:09] <moominski> thats wot i get wen trying to run xcompmgr transset
[10:09] <moominski> ??
[10:09] <apokryphos> You didn't follow the guide...
[10:09] <moominski> im doin it wrong aint i
[10:10] <apokryphos> Yes. There are steps there; if you just follow those through, it should work fine.
[10:10] <moominski> i edited the file
[10:22] <moominski> apokryphos i got to work.
[10:25] <TechLord> does anyone know of a good personal fianace software for linux
[10:27] <eckhart> is it normal that kynaptic remains unresponsive for about 20 minutes (after an upgrade)
[10:29] <apokryphos> moominski: cool
[10:32] <apokryphos> TechLord: gnucash and kmymoney2
[10:32] <apokryphos> ..are two options.
[10:35] <LeeJunFan> TechLord: gnucash is more robust, and more ugly.
[10:36] <TechLord> ever heard of Kaptial
[10:36] <LeeJunFan> no
[10:37] <LeeJunFan> oh yeah, that's the pay one from the kompany.
[10:39] <TechLord> yea and they are all rpms
[10:39] <gdh> anyone around who could help work out lintian errors from a .deb library package I'm working on?
[10:42] <apokryphos> is the Wiki being evil for anyone else here?
[10:43] <gdh> ouch
[10:43] <gdh> 502 Bad Gateway all over the shop
[10:45] <kikov> a Reverse Proxy with Apache
[10:45] <kikov> I'm quite used... :] 
[10:45] <kikov> hehe
[10:46] <kikov> I have mounted 4 Reverse Proxies for around 400 internal servers... ( 80mbit traffic )
[10:47] <kikov>  gdh where did you get that?
[10:47] <gdh> kikov: On any and every wiki page :)
[10:48] <kikov> it seems that the internal wiki is not available
[10:48] <gdh> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu -> "Bad Gateway"
[10:48] <gdh> The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.  Additionally, a 502 Bad Gateway error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
[10:48] <kikov> yes.. I know very very very well that messag
[10:48] <gdh> I'll bet :)
[10:48] <kikov> The wiki will be in a internal server
[10:48] <kikov> that's unrecheable by the Proxy Server
[10:49] <gdh> yep makes sense
[10:49] <kikov> this is the default message when the Proxy can't reach the Wiki server
[10:49] <kikov> because it's down, or something
[10:49] <kikov> as the message is displayed quite fast ( inmediate ), it seems that the server is down
[10:49] <kikov> not responding to the socks
[10:50] <kikov> socket,
[10:50] <apokryphos> sucks 
[10:53] <LeeJunFan> your browser sent an unrecognizable "suck" request. :)
[10:58] <gsuveg> re
[10:59] <gsuveg> anybody familiar in karamba theme development?
[11:05] <avdi> hello
[11:05] <avdi> I've got a question
[11:06] <avdi> various KDE admin apps want to su to root before starting
[11:06] <avdi> ...but ubuntu is sudo-only
[11:07] <apokryphos> avdi: what one are you using?
[11:07] <avdi> is there a way to get those apps to use sudo?
[11:07] <apokryphos> you can use Alt+F2 > kdesu <programname>
[11:07] <avdi> if I click, for example, on the login manager config applet in the Control Center
[11:07] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: but doesn't that want roots passwd? *
[11:08] <avdi> it pops up a kdesu window
[11:08] <avdi> which wants root'
[11:08] <avdi> s password
[11:08] <apokryphos> Nope. It wants sudo.
[11:08] <chavo> LeeJunFan, they've hacked kdesu to work eith sudo
[11:08] <avdi> and doesn't give an option to use sudo
[11:08] <apokryphos> (despite what it says)
[11:08] <eckhart> hm
[11:08] <apokryphos> avdi: ignore what it says... that'll be changed proper for Official release. Just give your pass
[11:08] <avdi> using my password doesn't actually work, in my experience.  Just silently fails.
[11:08] <eckhart> how can i configure which init scripts are started at startup?
[11:09] <LeeJunFan> I don't mind sudo, but I wish they would just leave changes like that alone.
[11:09] <avdi> I see.  I'll try it again.
[11:09] <apokryphos> avdi: when did you install?
[11:09] <LeeJunFan> avdi: I get that intermittantly.
[11:09] <chavo> that stuff should all be working now.
[11:10] <LeeJunFan> avdi: with things like printer administrator mode, and login manager admin mode.
[11:10] <avdi> apokryphos: I just installed today.  The Hoary Hedgehog RC.
[11:11] <apokryphos> avdi: then it certainly works
[11:12] <avdi> hmm.  I'll give it another shot.
[11:12] <LeeJunFan> someone should tell my machine that.
[11:52] <HiddenWolf> Can anyone help me to get skype running on Ubuntu? I can't seem to get skype to find the QT library
[11:55] <apokryphos> HiddenWolf: you're compiling?
[11:56] <HiddenWolf> apokryphos, nm. Tried the deb, but it didn't take with the QT in the repro, so did the staticly linked version, but then missed a font lib, now it's working.
[11:57] <apokryphos> ok, cool.