[12:01] <calc> mdz: awake?
[12:04] <trulux> hey tritium 
[12:04] <dholbach> hey tritium 
[12:04] <tritium> hey trulux
[12:04] <trulux> tritium: howya!?
[12:04] <tritium> hi dholbach 
[12:04] <trulux> tritium: http://www.tuxedo-es.org/blog/ finally updated!
[12:04] <trulux> dholbach: hi :)
[12:05] <tritium> nice, trulux 
[12:05] <trulux> tritium: a friend bought R.Love's Linux Kernel Development 2nd edition for me
[12:05] <trulux> ;)
[12:07] <tritium> that's a nice friend, trulux 
[12:08] <trulux> tritium: yeah, he is around your age, dunno, maybe a bit younger
[12:10] <trulux> tritium: he managed me to get space at Telefonica R&D data center for my testing box
[12:10] <trulux> ;)
[12:10] <trulux> and access to some sparc machines
[12:11] <tritium> cool, trulux
[12:25] <dholbach> good night everybody!
[12:26] <tseng> bye dholbach 
[12:26] <dholbach> bye tseng 
[12:32] <jdub> ahr
[12:32] <ogra> ?
[12:33] <tseng> jdub++
[12:33] <jdub> hrm, somehow i was not collecting mail overnight
[12:33] <ogra> ouch
[12:33] <jdub> reading message jdub@mail.waugh.id.au:6 of 446 (5354 octets) .....
[12:33] <jdub> d'oh
[12:33] <tseng> :(
[12:33] <ogra> hahaha, only 446 ?
[12:38] <HiddenWolf> Rythmbox is giving me an error "Alsa device DEFAULT is already in use by another program" Does that ring any bells?
[12:52] <trulux> anyone knows the trailer/teaser of star wars episode 3? :)
[12:52] <jdub> mdz and anyone interested in usplash: http://www.kerneltraffic.org/kernel-traffic/latest.html#2
[12:53] <tsume> is there a gnome 2.10 in hoary?
[12:53] <mpt> tsume: yes
[12:53] <trulux> tsume: yes
[12:53] <trulux> :)
[12:53] <tsume> I'm blind then, I think I'm running 2.8
[12:54] <ogra> heh
[12:55] <HiddenWolf> trulux: yup. OT tho
[12:55] <HiddenWolf> Did anything change with Alsa in the last few days?
[12:55] <tsume> mpt: whatever the trouble is, its alindeman's fault ;)
[12:56] <dhonn> I noticed that on all distributions that firefox eats up on my computer 50% cpu when downloading a file.  The download dialog animation is at a very high refresh rate is what is causing it.  
[12:56] <dhonn> perhaps we can tone down the refresh rate?
[12:57] <ogra> tsume, System->about gnome
[12:58] <tsume> I'm running 2.10, I don't know where I recieved the image of running 2.8 :)
[12:58] <ogra> :)
[12:59] <dhonn> there is a bug in the Help Documentation mentioning that Gnome is version 2.6
[01:01] <mpt> tsume: Why alindeman? (doesn't seem to be related to gaim, if sf.net is any guide)
[01:02] <HiddenWolf> dhonn: file a bug. :)
[01:02] <tsume> mpt: Hes a netOp, and dmwaters says every trouble she has is alindeman's fault. Including netsplits, so dmwaters wallops everyone, and everybody msg's alindeman :)
[01:03] <dhonn> i do
[01:03] <ogra> tsume, and that explains the bad ui design of gaim ?
[01:03] <mpt> jdub: Sorry for filing that invalid bug yesterday ... So that I don't do it again: Is there a good reason why I can't rename something in Nautilus just by clicking on its name and typing?
[01:04] <tseng> alindeman is a coder on dancer ircd iirc
[01:04] <mpt> oic
[01:04] <HiddenWolf> ogra: no, crappy devs explain the bad design of gaim
[01:05] <ogra> hehe
[01:05] <HiddenWolf> imho
[01:05] <tsume> ogra: yes! :)
[01:06] <ogra> HiddenWolf, i dont thik they are bad....at least 80% of the app are great.....but the remaining 20% annoyances make 200% of the look and feel ;)
[01:07] <jdub> mpt: that's very easily hamfisted, which leads to confusingly broken results.
[01:07] <mpt> jdub: I don't remember ever hamfisting it on Windows or Mac ... What are you referring to in particular?
[01:08] <mpt> You mean renaming /etc or something like that?
[01:08] <HiddenWolf> ogra: true
[01:08] <jdub> mpt: users misrenaming any file
[01:09] <mpt> ...
[01:09] <dhonn> hey jdub, i sent you a patch, @perkypants  I'm a metacity hacker, i fixed an issue with maximized window bug
[01:09] <jdub> dhonn: a metacity patch? best to put those in gnome bugzilla, surely?
[01:10] <dhonn> actually its for human/indubstiral
[01:10] <dhonn> i sent a few patches to havoc
[01:11] <dhonn> but thats for something else
[01:11] <jdub> d'oh, crap -> i managed to revert back to the buggy version
[01:11] <jdub> thanks
[01:12] <tseng> jdub++
[01:12] <dhonn> lol i noticed one time it was based on ClearLooks
[01:12] <dhonn> or are you going back to ClearLooks?
[01:12] <jdub> nah, sticking with the warty version for now
[01:13] <dhonn> i love indubstrial lol
[01:15] <dhonn> i sent a patch to havoc to allow the resizing without syncronization.  It would make window resizing seam very very fast, but visual tearing would occur
[01:16] <jdub> hrm, doubt he'd accept that ;)
[01:16] <jdub> might be good for low resource mode though
[01:16] <dhonn> nope, he said 10 fps would be resonalble
[01:16] <dhonn> right now syncronization is turned off at 1 fps
[01:17] <dhonn> makes resizing very choopy
[01:17] <jdub> oh right
[01:17] <jdub> harsh
[01:17] <dhonn> on a slow computer
[01:17] <dhonn> or with firefox 
[01:18] <dhonn> right now it matches macosx behavior
[01:18] <dhonn> but you will notice that there is no tear in macosx when moving windows
[01:18] <dhonn> metacity has tons of tear when you move a window
[01:20] <HiddenWolf> wtf: "Alsa device DEFAULT is already in use by another program"
[01:21] <tseng> you already said that
[01:22] <HiddenWolf> tseng: any clue what could cause it?
[01:22] <dhonn> so we want tear when moving windows, but we dont want tear when resizing windows?  doesnt make much sense right now
[01:23] <dhonn> man i got to go pick up my gf at work
[01:23] <dhonn> later
[01:24] <tseng> HiddenWolf: another app using the device.
[01:24] <tseng> HiddenWolf: possibly esound
[01:24] <tseng> what app is giving you that?
[01:25] <tseng> you probably arent getting alot of help because, this isnt a support channel.
[01:25] <HiddenWolf> Rythmbox is giving me that.
[01:25] <HiddenWolf> I'm not looking for help. I want to know where and with what info to file the bug, so a dev will fix this and I can hear music. :)
[01:28] <HiddenWolf> I have system sounds, but no sounds in any user app.
[01:29] <jdub> HiddenWolf: at the risk of turning this into a support channel, run gstreamer-properties and ensure the output sink is set to esound
[01:29] <tseng> there is no bug.
[01:29] <tseng> or at least it sounds like a simple configuration issue
[01:30] <HiddenWolf> All I did was restart my pc for the kernel update.
[01:30] <tseng> he didnt ask about your kernel :P
[01:31] <HiddenWolf> jdub: bingo
[01:33] <tsume> is there a dev site for the packaging?
[01:34] <tsume> and lists of current dev pacakges (done, needed, packaging)?
[01:34] <thom> jdub: dude, ubuntu-artwork needs to update the homepage for hoary
[01:35] <HiddenWolf> jdub: it was probably an update that overwrote my mixer settings. My line-in got muted again, etc.
[01:35] <ogra> tsume, on the wiki look for MOTU, and "Developer Ressources" has links to the build logs
[01:35] <tsume> ogra: you know if theres an RSS feed? :) and if theres not, can one be set up? :)
[01:37] <ogra> tsume, talk to dholbach tomorrow, he has plans on rss stuff, but i dont know if he thought of build logs.... good idea
[01:38] <tseng> ive been wishing for hoary-changes rss forever
[01:38] <ogra> tseng, should be easy...
[01:53] <whiprush> tseng: gmane has rss feeds for hoary-changes
[02:01] <T-Bone> Kamion: ping?
[02:05] <jdub> thom: yeah, or we need to change the home page
[02:07] <jdub> thom: i'll ping about this later tonight :)
[02:13] <wasabi> Oh god.
[02:13] <wasabi> Nice login screen
[02:14] <mdz> calc: yep
[02:33] <stratus> I've packaged beagle for hoary, cvs and 0.0.7, building 0.0.8.1 right now.
[02:33] <stratus> cvs package is buggy and needs patching
[02:33] <stratus> anyone interested?
[02:34] <|QuaD-> stratus: i believe they have a 0.0.7 package, just haven't releasedit yet
[02:35] <stratus> |QuaD-, it won't be on hoary but AFAIK it's a release goal for hoary+1 so i'm asking. I'm a DD and i've heard about MOTU...
[02:36] <|QuaD-> stratus: talk to the ubuntu devs :)
[02:36] <stratus> |QuaD-, have you read the channel name?
[02:36] <|QuaD-> stratus: yeah, i meant don't talk to me :)
[02:37] <|QuaD-> i hve no say :)
[02:37] <|QuaD-> i just wanted to let you know there is already a package
[02:37] <stratus> ok, thanks.
[02:39] <|QuaD-> stratus: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/hoary/
[02:41] <stratus> |QuaD-, oic.
[02:43] <T-Bone> ogra: around?
[02:44] <T-Bone> ogra: submission id 5e9be082a06fe065366890600cfc6c15, vendor 4889 is HP i'd say ;] 
[02:46] <zul> hey daniels
[02:57] <tseng> whiprush: cool.
[02:58] <tseng> beagle isnt going into hoary kids.
[02:58] <whiprush> :(
[02:58] <zul> ya think?
[02:58] <tseng> i dont think, I know :P
[02:59] <tseng> im not putting in a completely new mono stack with 5 days to go
[02:59] <zul> well at least you admit you dont think ;)
[02:59] <tseng> beagled has numerous memory leaks on mono 1.0.5
[03:00] <tseng> or maybe one big one
[03:00] <zul> im still trying to get use to tomboy
[03:02] <dredg> tomboy++
[03:16] <|QuaD-> tseng: how come?
[03:16] <tseng> < tseng> im not putting in a completely new mono stack with 5 days to go
[03:17] <tseng> does that not make immediate sense?
[03:17] <|QuaD-> tseng: so i shouldn't expect mono 1.1.x?
[03:17] <tseng> for hoary? no.
[03:17] <|QuaD-> ok
[03:17] <tseng> there is too much changing
[03:17] <|QuaD-> thanks for the effort though :)
[03:17] <tseng> i had to touch every mono package under the sun, im not comfortable pushing it anywhere without testing
[03:18] <tseng> np.
[03:18] <|QuaD-> now i just have to wait for breezy i guess :)
[03:18] <tseng> im trying to do something that pleases upstream mono-project and debian mono, and users at the same time
[03:19] <tseng> meh.
[03:19] <tseng> im at my parents for the weekend, i probably wont be working on much
[03:19] <|QuaD-> oh well :) 
[03:20] <tseng> mako: your latest post rocks.
[04:05] <lamont> Kamion: you around?
[04:36] <mxpxpod> why would my openoffice icons not be showing up in the gnome-panel menu?
[04:37] <|QuaD-> mxpxpod: ask in the help channel
[04:38] <mxpxpod> |QuaD-: in #ubuntu?
[04:39] <|QuaD-> yeah
[05:03] <SuperL4g> tseng: you around?
[06:00] <tsume> okay, there something wrong with the installer on my laptop, are there any reported bugs for GRUB?
[06:00] <tsume> its sticking at boot, this is a developer issue if its not installing right by default
[06:00] <tsume> I can't exactly check bugzilla since I'm using chroot to the /target during install :)
[06:05] <mpt> tsume: So you can do text-mode IRC but not not text-mode Web browsing? :-)
[06:05] <tsume> mpt: oh.. I forgot about w3m :)
[06:05] <tsume> oh wait, I forgot I have w3m even installing on the bsd server I'm ssh'ing to
[06:06] <tsume> mpt: well, is there a problem with some laptops to your knowledge? (specifically toshiba?)
[06:06] <mpt> "installing" as in right now?
[06:06] <mpt> tsume: Well I have lots of problems with this Toshiba laptop, but that's another story
[06:06] <tsume> I had ubuntu installed before with lilo, but I wish to use grub. I reformatted because fdisk messed up on calculating the correct space  and tried allocating 80G total when of course the harddrive has less when formatted
[06:07] <tsume> mpt: I fixed the problems with the toshiba laptop(all of them)
[06:07] <tsume> the last one is the boot manager
[06:07] <tsume> the synaptic pad works great without lag ;)
[06:07] <mpt> pad?
[06:07] <tsume> yes
[06:07] <tsume> the touchpad
[06:07] <mpt> So what's a synaptic pad?
[06:07] <tsume> modprobe psmouse rate=40 :)
[06:07] <tsume> mpt: well I call it by what driver it needs :)
[06:08] <tsume> mpt: I really want to use grub ;)
[06:09] <mpt> There's only one grub bug mentioning Toshiba, and I don't think it's yours
[06:09] <mpt> It's complaining that Windows 2000 doesn't boot
[06:10] <tsume> mpt: I'm searching too, and I'm not seeing anything
[06:10] <tsume> mpt: what does your device menu file for grub have in it?
[06:10] <mpt> Oh, well I'll get back to work then
[06:11] <mpt> See, I don't even know what a "device menu file" is
[06:11] <mpt> I'm new here :-)
[06:12] <tsume> mpt: its the file.. /boot/grub/device.something I think
[06:14] <SuperQ> hrm
[06:14] <SuperQ> it'd be nice for a hoary maintence patch to include the 1.0.2 ipw2200 driver
[06:15] <mpt> tsume: (hd0)   /dev/hda
[06:16] <mpt> SuperQ: Hey, then my wireless might start working properly
[06:16] <SuperQ> mpt: heh
[06:16] <SuperQ> it comes with 0.19, which is much better than what warty came with
[06:17] <SuperQ> but ipw2200 is under heavy development
[06:17] <mpt> At the moment my laptop only gets a wireless connection in rooms where my colleagues' laptops don't, and vice versa
[06:17] <SuperQ> mpt: I just grabed the kernel-source and built my own driver
[06:17] <SuperQ> I still can't get WPA-PSK to work tho
[06:17] <mpt> It jumped from 0.19 to 1.0.2 in six months? That's fast
[06:18] <SuperQ> they were doing weekly releases 
[06:18] <SuperQ> up until february
[06:18] <SuperQ> when 1.0.0 came out
[06:18] <SuperQ> now they're doing monthly releases
[06:18] <SuperQ> 1.0.2 is supposed to fix WPA problems
[06:19] <SuperQ> but I still can't get my card to associate
[06:19] <fabbione> morning
[06:19] <SuperQ> it can if I switch my AP into WEP mode
[06:19] <schweeb> mornin fabio
[06:19] <fabbione> hey schweeb 
[06:39] <fabbione> mdz: ?
[06:54] <bluefoxicy> well this is an interesting reason for comcast to return my e-mail:   Permanent Failure: 550_Mailbox_unavailable_or_access_denied_You_are_part_of_a_phishing_attack._Rejecting_command...
[07:49] <lamont> bluefoxicy: that just means that your box got rooted. :-)
[07:51] <fabbione> ok let's go back and hunt down this xen0 boot problem
[07:52] <zenwhen> doing my weekly update from a daily disk
[07:57] <zenwhen_> Hey is anyone around
[07:58] <zenwhen_> The upgrade broke my Nvidia drivers
[07:58] <zenwhen_> it says the kernl module version is wrong
[07:58] <zenwhen_> is there a way bto force my nvidia-glx back to the old version?
[07:59] <bluefoxicy> fabbione:  fabulous, ubunut is going to support xen?
[07:59] <fabbione> zenwhen_: read ubuntu-users on how to do an upgrade or ask in #ubuntu
[07:59] <bluefoxicy> fabbione:  i had gentoo on dom1 for a while, but xen doesn't like anything but vanilla apparently (won't even build with grsecurity)
[07:59] <fabbione> bluefoxicy: i am evaluating it at the moment
[08:00] <zenwhen_> fabbione: I am not having trouble doing an upgrade.
[08:00] <zenwhen_> I am having an issue with a new package in hoary.
[08:00] <bluefoxicy> fabbione:  I recommend you have fun, and then come back when Xen 3.0 is out and see if it's any better.
[08:00] <zenwhen_> I cant exactly file a bug either
[08:00] <zenwhen_> but thanks anyway
[08:00] <fabbione> zenwhen_: a reboot is enough
[08:00] <bluefoxicy> fabbione:  it's a wonderful system; however, making it work is troublesome, and it does not like non-vanilla kernels
[08:01] <fabbione> bluefoxicy: yes i know thanks
[08:01] <bluefoxicy> :)
[08:04] <zenwhen_> fabbione: a reboot wasnt enough. Apparently the kernel module in linux restricted conflicts with nvidia-glx
[08:05] <fabbione> zenwhen_: as i said before, you didn't upgrade all your system. You need to use the latest linux-restricted-modules together with the latest nvidia-glx
[08:05] <zenwhen_> But I did.
[08:05] <fabbione> no you didn't
[08:05] <zenwhen_> Oh well.
[08:06] <zenwhen_> sure did.
[08:06] <fabbione> otherwise it would work
[08:06] <zenwhen_> ... wow
[08:06] <fabbione> since i did the packages and i use them myself on 4 out of 6 test machines
[08:06] <fabbione> logout from X
[08:06] <fabbione> go to console
[08:06] <fabbione> rmmod ndivia
[08:06] <fabbione> modprobe nvidia
[08:07] <fabbione> and check the output from dmesg
[08:07] <fabbione> it will tell you what version of the kernel driver you are using
[08:07] <fabbione> so either the kernel module is the wrong one or you didn't upgrade nvidia-glx
[08:09] <zenwhen_> the linux restricted modules for my kernel which is 2.6.10-4-686-smp are th newest
[08:09] <zenwhen_> and just upgraded nvidia-glx
[08:09] <zenwhen_> which caused the issue to begin with
[08:13] <zenwhen> had to downgrade to 6229
[08:18] <bob2`> debmirror seems quite confused
[08:18] <bob2`> and keeps downloading the same satuff over and over
[08:28] <gabaug> does Canonical spend a large amount of $ on bandwidth for package updates? It seems combining apt-get with BitTorrent would work great, especially considering the temporal locality of lots of users updating to the latest packages
[08:39] <bob2`> a couple of people have tried integrating bt with apt
[08:40] <bob2`> but no one's suceeded yet
[09:05] <gabaug> bob2`: any pointers to their work/names?
[09:11] <mdz> fabbione: 
[09:32] <fabbione> mdz: i did some progresses on 7078. i am working on adding more debugging info to isolate what causes the problem
[09:33] <mdz> fabbione: I read bugzilla, yes
[09:33] <mdz> even on saturday ;-)
[09:34] <fabbione> it's sunday here :)
[09:34] <fabbione> btw.. the pope is dead
[09:36] <mdz> yes, he was dead yesterday too
[09:36] <fabbione> yesterday for you :P
[09:37] <wasabi> At least we don't have to hear about Terri anymore.
[09:37] <wasabi> Is that getting any out of US coverage at all?
[09:37] <aj> wasabi: god yes
[10:00] <calc> wasabi: now there will be years of pope is dead coverage
[10:00] <wasabi> That's ok.
[10:00] <wasabi> I can stand that. The fight about Terri, I couldn't stand.
[10:00] <dholbach> goooooood morning!
[10:03] <wasabi> , vietnam!
[10:05] <dholbach> noooo wasabi that wasnt what i was going to say....
[10:12] <fabbione> humpf
[10:12] <fabbione> xen really doesn't like patches on top of vanilla
[11:44] <froud> ogra: ping
[11:46] <froud> for developer credits in the doc can anyone please tell me ogra's real name
[11:47] <Mithrandir> 11:47 [OPN]  -!-  ircname  : Oliver Grawert
[11:47] <froud> 10X
[11:47] <Mithrandir> froud: /whois is good for finding out such stuff
[11:48] <froud> Mithrandir: my whois did not return anything
[11:48] <froud> probably cause I am using Konversation ;-)
[12:05] <ogra> froud, morning :)
[12:06] <froud> ogra: African Greetings
[12:06] <froud> ogra: just about to commit finalized draft of document
[12:06] <ogra> froud, such informations are in the changelog of the packages if kopete doesnt like me ;)
[12:06] <trygvebw> wasn't the third ubuntu release going to be called grumpy groadhog?
[12:07] <froud> ogra: not using Kopete
[12:07] <ogra> oops
[12:07] <froud> IRC via Konversation
[12:07] <ogra> konversation indeed
[12:07] <ogra> (sorry just waking up :) )
[12:07] <froud> ogra: well just to let you know the doc is now at a stage where it could use your review
[12:08] <froud> I will send you an email
[12:08] <froud> You can add help button to the app ;-)
[12:08] <ogra> yeah
[12:09] <froud> the OMF with series id is also done as are the make files
[12:09] <ogra> wow
[12:09] <froud> ogra: so integration with scrollkeeper should work if you register it
[12:10] <froud> You might want to look at the omf category though.
[12:10] <ogra> i will :)
[12:11] <HiddenWolf> Damn, there IS a bug somewhere with Alsa/oss
[12:11] <ogra> T-None, its not hp :-P <property class="linux" subclass="cpuinfo" name="vendor_____" type="string">GenuineIntel</property>
[12:12] <T-None> ogra: oh, that's it the CPU vendor then
[12:13] <ogra> T-None, yup.... i'll write a correct parser for the data later in the process, currently i'm greppin through the flat file....subdashes are the last i had expected there :)
[12:14] <T-Bone> ok
[12:14] <ogra> but thanks, now i got a ia64 example to play with :-D
[12:14] <T-Bone> ogra: btw, can i register hppa machines? :}
[12:15] <ogra> T-Bone, sure, but i currently cant promise the datasheet will show anything :)
[12:15] <T-Bone> lol
[12:16] <T-Bone> it's likely that i'll submit a bunch of "amuzing" hardware submissions by the end of the coming week. I have half a dozen machines to setup in my data center ;] 
[12:16] <ogra> yeah, go ahead :=) i'll take everything....
[12:16] <T-Bone> and they are *not* regular pcs ;] 
[12:16] <T-Bone> ok :)
[12:17] <froud> ogra: sent
[12:17] <ogra> yeah, thanks froud 
[12:17] <froud> ogra: will this app move to gnome cvs
[12:17] <ogra> T-Bone, would be nice to have the id's :)
[12:18] <T-Bone> ogra: sure. I haven't looked much. Were is the ID stored on the local host?
[12:18] <T-Bone> +h
[12:18] <dholbach> hey ogra!
[12:19] <ogra> froud, i doubt it, its very tied to our hal version ... probably if i sent all my hal patches upstream, but even then they are unlikely to accept the meminfo/cpuinfo patch (they already have half of this data through another way)
[12:20] <ogra> and i have a problem to do a clean spec for the BIOS data that gets collected before next release...
[12:20] <ogra> hi dholbach :)
[12:20] <thom> ogra: 7a2c98b99d588c4ef04ccf3cf8d33ebe is also ia64, for the record :-)
[12:20] <froud> ogra: ok, please feel free to make patches against the docs are just email me your comments etc.
[12:20] <froud> c ya later
[12:21] <T-Bone> ogra: btw, that machine has 2GB ram, ie 2048 MB. I wonder why it says 2046
[12:21] <thom> T-Bone: heh, mine says 2045
[12:22] <T-Bone> thom: lol, maybe that's consumable RAM. Self destructs after a given use? ;] 
[12:22] <ogra> T-Bone, i read the output of cat /proc/cpuinfo, see yourself :)
[12:23] <ogra> err meminfo indeed
[12:23] <T-Bone> ah
[12:23] <T-Bone> then you have full RAM - kernel size
[12:23] <T-Bone> i suppose
[12:24] <ogra> whatever meminfo offers...i have also the BIOS data (if available) to see the single ram banks....a real DB server will read that value later :)
[12:25] <T-Bone> ogra: a simple workaround would be to round up the value to the nearest power of 2
[12:26] <T-Bone> this is extremely visible on ia64 since ia64 kernels are *huge*
[12:27] <ogra> T-Bone, i dont want to spend to much time on the server output yet, i still have some other important tasks that require to be done before release (i.e. i just switched server and client to bzipped transmission...etc), the server part is something for next month
[12:28] <T-Bone> sure. that was just an idea
[12:28] <ogra> T-Bone, very appreciated :)
[12:29] <T-Bone> ogra: you're welcome :)
[12:31] <ogra> froud ?
[12:31] <ogra> hmm
[12:50] <dholbach> hey seb128 
[12:50] <seb128> hi
[12:52] <fabbione> hey seb128 
[12:52] <seb128> hi fabbione 
[01:33] <dholbach> hrm... got disconnected - did anyone reply to the "FSL free enough?"-question?
[02:51] <kain> I've removed (purged) every -it (my language) packages, done dpkg-reconfigure to generate an en_US locale, but gnome is still my language, what's wrong?
[02:51] <kain> menu is in english
[02:52] <kain> but the entries are still italian
[02:52] <kain> mm... wrong xchat tab :)
[02:52] <kain> sorry for that
[03:01] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: thanks
[03:01] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: np
[03:21] <Liz> hello
[03:21] <Liz> anyone awake who works with USB ports?
[03:22] <crimsun> would you clarify that, please?
[03:23] <Liz> a few days ago, i upgraded ..and lost all sign of USB ports in /de
[03:23] <Liz> in /dev
[03:23] <Liz> ive upgraded again just an hour ago, but still no usb 
[03:23] <crimsun> are you running -33?
[03:23] <crimsun> k
[03:26] <crimsun> (reading your post to u-u now)
[03:26] <Liz> any idea on where i can look to get them back?..be it taking out a file somewhere or something?.
[03:26] <Liz> ahh..ok thanks
[03:26] <Liz> i wasnt getting any reply in ubuntu..and froud said to try here
[03:26] <Liz> to let developers know whats happening
[03:27] <ogra> Liz, start here: grep USB /var/log/dmesg
[03:27] <crimsun> yeah, I was about to type what ogra said
[03:27] <crimsun> it's highly unlikely that the kernel is not finding any usb controller/devices
[03:27] <ogra> yup
[03:27] <crimsun> seems more to be an issue with pmounting/g-v-m
[03:28] <ogra> except they are disabled in the BIOS
[03:28] <crimsun> yeah, that would do it
[03:28] <ogra> gamin probably...
[03:28] <Liz> it picks up my usb there
[03:28] <crimsun> heya sabdfl 
[03:28] <ogra> ok
[03:28] <sabdfl> hallaaauuu
[03:28] <Liz> also shows up in device manager too
[03:28] <dholbach> hey sabdfl 
[03:28] <ogra> Liz, now look at your device manager
[03:28] <ogra> hi sabdfl
[03:28] <Liz> but when i cd to /dev dir, theres nothing 
[03:29] <crimsun> Liz: what are you looking for in /dev, /dev/sda1 ?
[03:29] <ogra> Liz, nothing like nothing, or nothing like no usb ?
[03:29] <Liz> crimsun, yes..or anything sd*..and theres nothing
[03:29] <Liz> ogra..my usb shows inn device manager
[03:29] <ogra> ok
[03:29] <crimsun> Liz: are you booting with the drive powered on and plugged in?
[03:30] <dholbach> sabdfl: i'm nearly done with www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetOrg, when pitti turns up, i'll tell him to security-review some packages and i'll need someone to look over license issues, but after that elmo will get green light from me
[03:30] <Liz> crimsun, my miniusb drive?
[03:30] <crimsun> Liz: yes.
[03:30] <Liz> no
[03:30] <crimsun> Liz: ok, so you boot, then plug in the minidrive and turn it on?
[03:31] <dholbach> sabdfl: i'm particularly proud to have the privilege to invite joey hess into the MOTU crowd ;-)
[03:31] <ogra> hehe
[03:31] <crimsun> haha
[03:31] <sabdfl> dholbach: :-)
[03:31] <Liz> yes..its only a small storage device that kinda replaces floppies
[03:31] <Liz> majority of uni students are using them..has more space on them
[03:32] <crimsun> Liz: according to dmesg, is the storage device detected?
[03:32] <crimsun> Liz: (after you plug it in)
[03:32] <ogra> Liz, does this device show up in the device manager if you plug it in ?
[03:32] <sabdfl> dholbach: great work on AptGetOrg
[03:32] <dholbach> sabdfl: thanks :-)
[03:32] <sabdfl> as for Joey, i'd recommend personalising that email somewhat :-)
[03:32] <zul> yay i have my laptop working under ubuntu
[03:32] <ogra> yeah, dholbach deserves a medal....(or a beer in UdU), sabdfl 
[03:32] <dholbach> sabdfl: i'll advise him to take it with a grain of salt, nevermind :-)
[03:33] <sabdfl> salt with his beer?
[03:33] <sabdfl> ah
[03:33] <ogra> heh
[03:33] <Liz> crimsun..after plugged in..no
[03:33] <dholbach> how perverse do you think i am? :-)
[03:33] <sabdfl> so what do you guys think of the first baby steps of rosetta-for-the-distro?
[03:33] <Liz> ogra, doesnt look like it..
[03:33] <sabdfl> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/hoary/+translations
[03:33] <Liz> i dont know where to look if it is
[03:34] <dholbach> WOW rock
[03:35] <crimsun> Liz: dmesg should report something about a mass storage device after you plug it in
[03:35] <sabdfl> does google find https sites?
[03:35] <dholbach> the only thing that will confuse people is "german", "german (germany)" and probably result in doubled efforts
[03:35] <zul> crimsun: unless if its some weird ass usb storage device
[03:35] <crimsun> zul: ah, true.
[03:35] <Liz> crimsun, no, it doesnt show up there either
[03:35] <Liz> i just plugged it in
[03:36] <zul> Liz: what kind of device is it?
[03:36] <Liz> http://www.pricerunner.co.uk/view-image?image=http%3A%2F%2Fi.pricerunner.com%2Fprod%2F207215009l%2FPretec_Super_Mini_i-Disk_Tiny_1GB_USB_20.jpg&returnURL=%2FProducts.jsp%3Fcategory%3D61%26model%3D215009
[03:36] <Liz> that one
[03:37] <Liz> they cal them super mini disk tiny's
[03:37] <Liz> normally i plug it in..and it works
[03:38] <zul> Liz: can you open up a bug on bugzilla and attach the output of lspci, dmesg, and lsusb -v -v -v and we will take a look at it
[03:38] <Liz> but since the upgrade, its stopped working
[03:42] <dholbach> sabdfl: do we have a doc that specifies what happens to and with the rosetta translations?
[03:42] <sabdfl> dholbach: there may be stuff on the wiki, chat to daf if you need more
[03:42] <sabdfl> at the moment, i think we've only imported main
[03:43] <dholbach> no... timer-applet is universe
[03:43] <dholbach> (the first i looked up)
[03:43] <sabdfl> the trickiest bit relates to language pack updates
[03:43] <sabdfl> just before the release, pitti and carlos and daf will generate final Base Language Packs
[03:44] <dholbach> and the handing-over-to-upstream bit, but i guess that's planned for breezy, right
[03:44] <dholbach> ?
[03:44] <sabdfl> from then onwards, new translations will go into Language Update Packs that we will publish through hoary-security or hoary-updates every month
[03:44] <dholbach> ah cool
[03:44] <sabdfl> rosetta already support upstream translations
[03:44] <sabdfl>  /products/foo/1.2.8/+translations should work
[03:44] <sabdfl> for a 1.2.8 release of foo
[03:45] <sabdfl> what we will work on is great web pages to allow people to merge translations between the distro and upstream, during the breezy cycle
[03:45] <womble> Ubuntu is having real major issues with a Compaq Armada E500... partitioning is screwed, and I'm getting the *weirdest* stuff with the installer displaying stuff on whichever VC I'm on when it decides it wants to draw something... anyone got a few minutes to give me some debug tips?
[03:45] <sabdfl> womble: hoary?
[03:45] <dholbach> sabdfl: yeah... that would absolutely rock
[03:45] <womble> sabdfl,  Sorry, yeah, the hoary RC.
[03:46] <womble> I gave the warty installer a go too, but it didn't like the system either.
[03:49] <Liz> zul did you want lspci -v ?
[03:49] <womble> Oh, and the layout guesser is FUBAR, too -- it guessed my keyboard layout as Serbian (Cyrillic) -- which it sure ain't...
[03:50] <sabdfl> womble: if you're able to provided detailed developer feedback, then we could point you at the folks who know most about the installer and laptops
[03:50] <sabdfl> is this a current model on sale?
[03:50] <womble> sabdfl, No, it's an old one, and I reckon I can give this "detailed developer feedback" stuff a go... <grin>
[03:51] <womble> P-III 400MHz, 64MB RAM, 6 GB HDD.
[03:53] <sabdfl> womble: ok, file bugs in bugzilla.ubuntu.com with as detailed descriptions as you can
[03:54] <sabdfl> then point kamion or mjg59 at those bugs
[03:54] <sabdfl> you generally want to file bugs on debina-installer or installer, when asked for a package or component
[03:54] <womble> sabdfl, Guess I'll have to get a bugzilla account then... drat, another rarely-used password to remember...
[04:01] <mjg59> womble: Feel free to add mjg59@codon.org.uk as a Cc on the bugs
[04:02] <womble> mjg59, Just tried d-i rc2 and got a nice error message.  Posted it on #d-boot.  Got time to help now?
[04:03] <mjg59> Sure
[04:08] <dholbach> apt-get.org finished - i'm off
[04:09] <crimsun> great work, dholbach :)
[04:09] <dholbach> thanks crimsun 
[04:11] <tseng> id like to recommend that all motu's /ignore HostingGeek, he's wasting a ridiculous ammount of time under the guisse of being loosely on topic
[04:11] <tseng> havent managed a good reason to flat out ban him yet.
[04:12] <ogra> tseng, just ignore him...
[04:25] <Riddell> " The next meeting of the Council will be on Apr 13th 2005 at 0400 UTC"  is that correct, 4 in the morning?
[04:27] <crimsun> I believe so
[04:27] <crimsun> I believe it's a rotating schedule
[04:27] <Riddell> jings
[04:27] <ogra> Riddell, nope, 6:00 in the morning :-P
[04:28] <Riddell> ogra: even worse, too late to stay up for, too early to get up for
[04:28] <mjg59> Riddell: 0500 for the UK (we're not on UTC now)
[04:30] <ogra> heh
[04:37] <pitti> Hi guys
[04:37] <ogra> hey pitti
[04:38] <pitti> ogra: still at hacking?
[04:38] <ogra> sure, always *g*
[04:39] <ogra> (in fact i'm just having a lazy day and review the data a bit...and a bathtub waiting)
[04:39] <pitti> dude, it's spring time and great wheather
[04:39] <ogra> i know, the dogwalk comes after the bath :)
[04:44] <T-Bone> ogra: might eventually submit an hppa entry in a few minutes, indeed :)
[04:44] <ogra> yay
[04:45] <ogra> T-Bone, give me the id if you submitted it :)
[04:45] <T-Bone> sure :)
[04:45] <ogra> thanks :)
[04:46] <mvirkkil> It seems changes from the last 1-2days are missing from the wiki?
[04:56] <lamont> womble: keyboard guesser - are you using the hoary-rc CD?
[04:56] <lamont> because that's a known bug
[04:56] <mvirkkil> Someone has f*cked the ubuntu wiki. All pages added in the last couple of days are gone, as well as all changes from the last couple of days.
[05:00] <crimsun> confirmed.
[05:01] <zul> c?
[05:01] <zul> fudge
[05:01] <mvirkkil> This just happened.
[05:01] <mvirkkil> Like within the hour
[05:02] <mvirkkil> I had just edited a page, a newly created page and went back to add some more stuff and the whole f*cking page was gone.
[05:02] <mvirkkil> This sucks rocks.
[05:03] <zul> mvirkkil: one of the cannical guys will wake up eventually and it will be fixed
[05:04] <crimsun> I'd be angry, but I have mentos.
[05:05] <mvirkkil> zul: I suppose. Well, I guess I'll do something productive instead of writing to the wiki ;-)
[05:05] <zul> yeah you could :)
[05:05] <Mithrandir> doko: I managed to get a backtrace from a fcdsl hangup now, want a bug?
[05:05] <zul> but you could also blame Mithrandir :)
[05:07] <doko> mithrandir: yes please
[05:11] <Mithrandir> doko: which component?
[05:12] <Mithrandir> zul: you can blame a lot on me, but I don't do anything to the wiki
[05:12] <zul> Mithrandir: oh i know...your name just came up at the convient time
[05:12] <ogra> Mithrandir, probably that is what you are to blame for ;P
[05:12] <Mithrandir> :)
[05:13] <fabbione> seb128: ping?
[05:16] <pitti> cu later
[05:19] <fabbione> seb128: well FYI, the dnotify code in gamin is a joke. It still uses the poll backend to perform the 3 most important operations.
[05:19] <fabbione> seb128: i still can't figure out what goes wrong and where, but i think i am getting closer.
[05:21] <doko> Mithrandir: may avm-fritz-firmware (if that exists), or else l-r-m
[05:21] <Mithrandir> doko: already filed against l-r-m
[05:22] <doko> seb128: I found the reason for not displaying accents ...
[05:34] <abelli> sabdfl: ping
[05:49] <superted_> During install, when your are prompted with "Choose a locale:" what are you choosing a locale for? (translating purposes, sorry if it is OT)
[05:50] <zyga> PINE
[05:53] <koke> sabdfl: ping too :)
[05:55] <fabbione> ogra: you around?
[05:55] <ogra> yup
[05:56] <fabbione> ogra: i need to send my hwdb data stuff.. i just noticed that the gui is broken.. can i do it in console?
[05:56] <ogra> nope....in which way is the gui brokn ?
[05:56] <fabbione> ogra: in the Video section, it expects that the server is RANDR capable, that is not always the case
[05:56] <fabbione> i can print the error if you want
[05:57] <ogra> only fglrx afaik
[05:57] <fabbione> and nvidia
[05:57] <ogra> huh ? oh, not nv ?
[05:57] <fabbione> nv = free = has RANDR
[05:57] <ogra> ah, ok
[05:57] <fabbione> nvidia = crap = no RANDR
[05:57] <ogra> i'm using nv and assumed nvidia would behave the same...
[05:58] <fabbione> Xlib:  extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:58] <fabbione> Traceback (most recent call last):
[05:58] <fabbione> and so on
[05:58] <fabbione> i guess you know the error
[05:58] <ogra> yup, i know this
[05:58] <fabbione> ok
[05:58] <fabbione> next is the Audio part
[05:58] <fabbione> it perfectly detects one of the 2 audio cards..
[05:58] <fabbione> but it doesn't attempt any test on the second one?
[05:59] <ogra> currently it only uses the default card ....
[05:59] <fabbione> tsk ;)
[05:59] <ogra> thats stuff for version2 
[05:59] <fabbione> ok
[05:59] <fabbione> well can i generate a config to send to hwdb?
[05:59] <ogra> wher 80% of the tests shall be automated...
[05:59] <ogra> hmm
[05:59] <fabbione> since i know that all my hw is working
[06:00] <ogra> wait a sec... testing
[06:00] <fabbione> sure
[06:00] <fabbione> no rush
[06:02] <fabbione> sabdfl: did you see that we are #1 on distrowatch (6 months stats)?
[06:02] <ogra> hwdb-xml -a > /tmp/hwdb_data.xml && hwdb-send
[06:02] <ogra> should work
[06:03] <fabbione> www.lanschmiede.net
[06:03] <fabbione> ?
[06:03] <ogra> hehe
[06:03] <fabbione> i clicked ok..let see
[06:03] <ogra> thats where i develop the server
[06:03] <fabbione> sending data...
[06:03] <fabbione> done
[06:03] <fabbione> where do i check the amoung of crap i added to the db? ;)
[06:03] <ogra> great, you find your id in ~/.hwdb ....
[06:04] <fabbione> i have no ~/.hwdb...
[06:04] <ogra> the server is only a inrterim solution, i'l write a real parser next week...
[06:04] <ogra> huh ?
[06:04] <fabbione> never mind.. it's a file
[06:04] <fabbione> ok i can see the ID
[06:04] <ogra> heh
[06:04] <ogra> hwdb.ubuntu.com
[06:05] <ogra> i'm currentl working on the client, so there is not very much server sided currently...thats for past release rime :)
[06:05] <fabbione> hmm it shoes only cpu and ram?
[06:06] <fabbione> is that correct?
[06:06] <ogra> yup
[06:06] <fabbione> ok
[06:06] <fabbione> ogra: does the client check also for more than one gfx?
[06:06] <ogra> not yet..
[06:07] <ogra> currently i just wanted to have a base for the stuff, so it only does the minimal...
[06:07] <fabbione> make sense
[06:07] <ogra> hacking hal ate a lot of my time....
[06:07] <fabbione> yeah..
[06:08] <ogra> since its very sensitive terrain
[06:08] <fabbione> yup i know
[06:08] <fabbione> it was enough to play with hotplug for me
[06:08] <fabbione> to say stop to COCAINE!
[06:08] <ogra> heh
[06:08] <fabbione> go straight to eroin before touching that stuff
[06:10] <ogra> btw, hwdb will as first thing get a real online device manager and give access to x and boot data....in future releases you only have to apply the id to a bug to get all info ;)
[06:10] <fabbione> ogra: ehehe
[06:11] <ogra> no more "please attach lcpci -bla"
[06:11] <fabbione> ogra: you might want to consider writing a kernel module to access all the hw directly :)
[06:11] <ogra> hehe
[06:11] <fabbione> ogra: well given that they submitted their data
[06:11] <ogra> probably for v3 ;)
[06:12] <ogra> fabbione, sure, but 3100 submissions in 5 days this is online.....i guess the bigger part of users will submit ;)
[06:12] <fabbione> or we can add a pre-page to bugzilla/malone to submit the data BEFORE opening a bug
[06:12] <ogra> i have constantly about 600 submissions a day
[06:13] <fabbione> and use the hwid as secondary identification key
[06:13] <ogra> yeah
[06:13] <fabbione> no data.. no bugs
[06:13] <kagou> hi
[06:15] <kagou> why thunderbird 1.0.2 is not in hoary. It's a bug/security release ?
[06:17] <fabbione> oh well.. ogra thanks for the info
[06:17] <fabbione> i guess i am going to crash in front of the TV
[06:17] <ogra> fabbione, youre welcome ;)
[06:18] <fabbione> ogra: oh btw.. i might pass by Germany for the October Fest
[06:18] <fabbione> not sure yet tho
[06:18] <ogra> yeah
[06:18] <fabbione> i am waiting some friends from italy to decide
[06:18] <ogra> feel invited :)
[06:18] <fabbione> eheh 
[06:18] <fabbione> it's gonna be better to go out ;)
[06:18] <fabbione> and have fun
[06:29] <kent> kagou, I cant answere for the ubuntu developers, but as i know if they rather backport bugfixes than install new versions. Even though it might be mainly bugfixes, it sometimes they contains new code aswell, which makes for possible new bugs. And the pre-release time is all about getting those bugs away, not introducing new possible ones for the distribution.  But, that said, im not the one to answere. Just could not h
[06:29] <kent> elp it. ;)
[06:30] <bronson_> swsusp works great in Hoary!  It mostly just works.
[06:30] <bronson_> I noticed a problem though...
[06:31] <bronson_> If your kernel gets upgraded (something that happens automatically now) and then you suspend, you can't resume.
[06:31] <kagou> thx kent 
[06:31] <bronson_> You just lose your suspended session.
[06:31] <bronson_> That seems rather a large problem to me.
[06:31] <bronson_> Should I file a bug anywhere?
[06:41] <seb128> fabbione: oh, cool
[06:41] <seb128> doko: k. That will be fixed for hoary ?
[06:52] <zyga> hey
[06:52] <zyga> does ubuntu have a dedicated/supported xorg.conf creation utility?
[06:53] <zyga> after last update my parents' desktop is broken
[06:53] <zyga> (it seems it has reverted to lowest possible resolution)
[06:53] <Robot101> doko: why even in nptl does the glibc's vfork function still call the real vfork syscall?
[06:53] <T-Bone> ogra: seems like hppa submission will have to wait. hwdb-client, though installed, won't run
[06:53] <ogra> oh ?
[06:53] <T-Bone> complains about an ImportError
[06:53] <T-Bone> varenet@Esperanza:~$ hwdb-gui
[06:53] <T-Bone> Traceback (most recent call last):
[06:53] <T-Bone>   File "/usr/bin/hwdb-gui", line 6, in ?
[06:53] <T-Bone>     import gtk.glade
[06:53] <T-Bone> ImportError: No module named glade
[06:54] <ogra> oh
[06:54] <ogra> no glade on hppa ?
[06:54] <T-Bone> ii  libglade2-0    2.5.1-0ubuntu1 Library to load .glade files at runtime
[06:55] <ogra> T-Bone, thanks, thats a bug, it needs a dependency on python-glade2 obviously
[06:55] <T-Bone> that's what i was suspecting
[06:56] <ogra> locally fixed :)
[06:56] <T-Bone> that machine is a very good testcase: we don't have ubuntu-desktop metapackage, so any broken dep will immediately show
[06:56] <ogra> ah, ok
[06:57] <T-Bone> much better!
[06:57] <ogra> :)
[06:57] <ogra> thanks again :)
[06:57] <T-Bone> you're welcome :)
[06:58] <T-Bone> sh: xrandr: command not found
[06:58] <T-Bone> Traceback (most recent call last):
[06:58] <T-Bone>   File "/usr/bin/hwdb-gui", line 66, in <lambda>
[06:58] <T-Bone>     self.advance.connect("clicked", lambda w: self.adv(self.xmlfile))
[06:58] <T-Bone> another missing dep maybe? :)
[06:58] <zenwhen> I updated from a daily disk yesterday an am already 130MB behind on updates.
[06:58] <zenwhen> Thats quick development.
[06:58] <ogra> T-Bone, nope, that looks more serious
[06:58] <zenwhen> But I sent in my hardware info ogra. :)
[06:58] <Lathiat> zenwhen: heh
[06:58] <Lathiat> zenwhen: its probably a kernel+xorg rebuild
[06:59] <ogra> zenwhen, yeah, thanks :)
[06:59] <zenwhen> Lathiat, yeaah
[06:59] <Lathiat> they keep ranking my bandwidth in
[06:59] <zenwhen> Hoary seems to get faster every week though. 
[06:59] <ogra> T-Bone, which hal version are you running ? is that a current one ?
[07:00] <T-Bone> ii  hal            0.4.7-1ubuntu1 Hardware Abstraction Layer
[07:00] <ogra> ahhhhgrhrg
[07:00] <ogra> sorry, i missed the xrandr message on top
[07:00] <zenwhen> My hal-device-manager crashes right now. Not that I use it, really.
[07:00] <T-Bone> ogra: hehe ;)
[07:00] <ogra> T-Bone, nvidia card ? 
[07:01] <T-Bone> ogra: no card, running remotely ;)
[07:01] <ogra> T-Bone, or no x at all..
[07:01] <ogra> ah
[07:01] <ogra> heh
[07:01] <T-Bone> ogra: that machine is supposed to be a server, you see ;)
[07:01] <ogra> you cme up with some very special cases :=)
[07:01] <T-Bone> ogra: i often do :))
[07:02] <T-Bone> ogra: maybe you want to add that to the deps as well :)
[07:03] <ogra> hehe, yup, never thought of such a case :)
[07:03] <T-Bone> ogra: that's why i'm hear. I always do stuff other people would never try ;] 
[07:04] <T-Bone> s/hear/here/
[07:04] <ogra> hmm, i doubt xrandr will work over ssh...
[07:04] <T-Bone> not over ssh
[07:04] <T-Bone> export DISPLAY=foo:0
[07:04] <T-Bone> and it works just fine :)
[07:04] <ogra> great :)
[07:06] <T-Bone> ogra: data sent, have fun!
[07:07] <ogra> yeah <property class="linux" subclass="cpuinfo" name="cpu_family" type="string">PA-RISC 2.0</property>
[07:07] <T-Bone> LOL
[07:08] <T-Bone> there are two families: 2.0 and 1,1
[07:08] <T-Bone> 2.0 is 64bit capable, 1.1 is not
[07:08] <T-Bone> ogra: you're gonna like the memory information too ;)
[07:08] <ogra> hmm, you obvoiusly cant buy them....
[07:08] <ogra> ...they have no vendor
[07:08] <T-Bone> LOL
[07:09] <T-Bone> ah
[07:09] <T-Bone> too bad
[07:09] <T-Bone> i booted a 32bit kernel, it only sees 4GB, whilst there are 8
[07:09] <ogra> heh, the meminfo is indeed nice :)
[07:10] <T-Bone> ogra: i'll take care to submit the next one with a 64bit kernel :)
[07:12] <ogra> T-Bone, thats quite funny....there is no hal info at all in the lshal output....only data based on my patches
[07:13] <T-Bone> do you want me to send you the output of lshal?
[07:13] <ogra> is there any ?
[07:13] <T-Bone> yeah
[07:14] <ogra> i'm quite sure it has only three devices computer, memory and pcrocessor...
[07:14] <T-Bone> Dumped 4 device(s) from the Global Device List:
[07:14] <ogra> yeah
[07:14] <T-Bone> ogra: off by 1 :)
[07:14] <ogra> i forgot a empty BIOS device :)
[07:14] <T-Bone> right :)
[07:15] <ogra> funny, so hal seems not to work for hppa
[07:15] <superted_> anyone know how the beagle pacakages are coming?
[07:38] <superted_> im gonna translate "Kill switch enabled on ${iface}"
[07:38] <superted_> what's a switch?
[07:42] <Lathiat> superted_: basically 
[07:42] <Lathiat> superted_: most laptops have a function to turn off the wireless
[07:42] <Lathiat> superted_: usually a button (switch) or a key combination (say fn+f2)
[07:42] <zenwhen> Does the person who builds Ubuntu's kernels chat in here?
[07:43] <CarlK> does the Live cd have the same DEB_CONF=critical thing that the install does?
[07:43] <Lathiat> zenwhen: theres #ubuntu-kernel
[07:44] <HiddenWolf> CarlK: yes, but building a kernel is not a one-man-job. :)
[07:44] <HiddenWolf> zenwhen, sorry ^
[07:45] <CarlK> yeah, it is a one CPU job ;)
[07:54] <dholbach> are there any details on the wiki b0rkage and to what extent changes to a site (that took me the most of 3 days) can be reverted?
[08:12] <Astharot> ciao
[08:16] <mvirkkil> dholbach: Any info on what actually happened?
[08:18] <dholbach> mvirkkil: no, but i'll have to endure excruciating pain, if the state will not be reverted somehow
[08:19] <mvirkkil> dholbach: How so?
[08:20] <dholbach> mvirkkil: it took me the best of 3 days to compile everything listed on wiki/AptGetOrg
[08:20] <ogra> mvirkkil, he worked like a dog the last three days to make a list for universe packages to import
[08:20] <mvirkkil> Ugh...
[08:20] <dholbach> now i'll always have a backup copy around
[08:20] <mvirkkil> You wouldn't happen to have that somwhere in the browsers cache.
[08:20] <ogra> mvirkkil, without that list we wont be able to ipmort the stuff...
[08:21] <dross> :) #ubuntu was unable to help me, and I've asked this question before. I justforgot the specific pacakge name for the linux-2.6.10-5 source :)
[08:21] <ogra> dross, search in synaptic
[08:21] <dross> ogra: I'm in console mode
[08:21] <mvirkkil> I happened to have a window open where I had the page I was working on, so I'll be able to copy-paste.
[08:21] <dholbach> dredg: apt-cache search
[08:21] <ogra> apt-cache search....
[08:21] <dross> ogra: it wasn't in synaptic or dselect last time
[08:22] <mvirkkil> dross: Use aptitude. / will pop open the box
[08:22] <dross> hmm
[08:22] <ogra> dross, it is...and this is not a support channel, please keep it in #ubuntu
[08:22] <dross> no, I have the 2.6.10 source, but its not the one you guys told me to use last time
[08:22] <mvirkkil> Any ops around?
[08:23] <mvirkkil> we could use a good /kick
[08:23] <mvirkkil> }:-I
[08:23] <dross> mvirkkil: you must take after cafuego ;)
[08:23] <kent> Doesn't the wiki have old versions of stuff saved? I thought that was one of the points in having a wiki?
[08:23] <dross> kent: in the history/revisions
[08:23] <mvirkkil> From the wiki point of view the changes never happened.
[08:23] <dholbach> kent: it currently has the OLD state
[08:24] <mvirkkil> They seem to have taken a backup copy from april 1st.
[08:24] <mvirkkil> or something..
[08:24] <dholbach> "back to the future" or something
[08:29] <mvirkkil> dholbach: Tell me a word that would be on the AptGetOrg page
[08:29] <mvirkkil> (but not anywhere else)
[08:29] <dholbach> a word that would have been in the NEW page?
[08:29] <dholbach> and not on the old?
[08:30] <dholbach> mvirkkil: or a word in general?
[08:30] <dholbach> mvirkkil: i don't understand your request
[08:31] <kent> dholbach, Im no expert, but I have seen that sometimes people use google's cache to bring back stuff from sites that have been slashdott'ed. But, perhaps google dont cache wikis? Thats one way that might get back stuff. (Just trying to help :)
[08:31] <mvirkkil> dholbach: Never mind.
[08:31] <dholbach> kent: the one in google's cache is older... motaboy already came up with it - thanks for trying :-)
[08:32] <mvirkkil> dholbach: I have a version of the page from my browsers cache.
[08:32] <dholbach> mvirkkil: oh... which timestamp?
[08:33] <mvirkkil> 2005-04-01 11:50:33
[08:33] <ogra> no good
[08:33] <ogra> dholbach, what about your cache ?
[08:33] <mvirkkil> dholbach: Don't you have it in your cache
[08:33] <dholbach> i viewed it afterwards
[08:34] <ogra> hmm
[08:35] <mvirkkil> dholbach: You went to the command line, to the cache directory and grepped for it?
[08:36] <mvirkkil> It was probably overwritten by a 'newer' version :-(
[08:36] <dholbach> i'll see what i can extract
[08:38] <mvirkkil> They resetted the wiki again I think!
[08:39] <mvirkkil> Yup.
[08:39] <dholbach> no unfortunately, it's all crap
[08:39] <mvirkkil> They did it again.
[08:40] <dholbach> mvirkkil: nothing changed for me
[08:40] <ogra> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage/recentchanges
[08:40] <mvirkkil> dholbach: Had you made any additions since the last reset?
[08:40] <ogra> its empty
[08:40] <mvirkkil> Exactly
[08:40] <mvirkkil> wtf is going on?
[08:44] <mvirkkil> dholbach: You said the cache version is 'all crap'. What did you mean?
[08:44] <dholbach> all the versions i opened afterwards
[08:45] <dholbach> mvirkkil: it's ok... if somebody tells me: sorry, but you'll have to do it again, i'll grab another cup of coffee and do it again
[08:45] <dholbach> but i'd rather wait for a definitive answer
[08:45] <mvirkkil> dholbach: You have a rare attitude.
[08:46] <dholbach> mvirkkil: thank you :-)
[08:47] <HiddenWolf> dholbach: thumbs up
[08:47] <mvirkkil> dholbach: I guess there is no chance you could script the thing?
[08:48] <mvirkkil> dholbach: I mean write a script to extract at least some of the info, and format it?
[08:49] <dholbach> mvirkkil: i already did it to a certain extent, but i have to see if packages build and then review their copyright, look for suspicious stuff
[08:49] <dholbach> i think it'll all go faster now
[08:49] <dholbach> since i kept the sources around
[08:49] <dholbach> but still it'd be pain :_)
[08:49] <mvirkkil> dholbach: That's quite a project. 
[08:50] <ogra> mvirkkil, dholbach is a inpressive guy ;) else he wouldnt be a MOTU lead :)
[08:51] <mvirkkil> :)
[08:51] <dholbach> stop it... you'll make me cry :-)
[08:51] <ogra> hehe
[08:51] <ogra> you deserve it :)
[08:51] <ogra> (...no, not the crying)
[08:53] <mvirkkil> dholbach: You should probably warn anyone you know to have visited the AptGetOrg page NOT to wisit the AptGetOrg page again before they have checked their cache.
[08:54] <dholbach> mvirkkil: i already thought about collecting wiki mails (from those who are subscribed to the whole)
[08:54] <smurfix> Oh, great, wiki login is fucked again
[08:54] <dholbach> smurfix: if it was only the login
[08:54] <dholbach> smurfix: i could live with that
[08:54] <smurfix> dholbach: I saw
[08:54] <dholbach> mvirkkil: i'll wait for the backup-answer
[08:55] <smurfix> dholbach: the recentchanges page is not very reassuring either
[08:55] <dross> hmm
[08:55] <dross> oh I remember what I was needing to ask
[08:55] <dross> who is the maintainer of the package cache servers?
[08:56] <dross> are MOTU, or are they just the packagers?
[08:56] <ogra> you mean the archive master ?
[08:56] <dross> ogra: I had a idea yesterday to RSS the uploads as they go to the servers
[08:56] <mvirkkil> BTW: Any talk about running a diskless ubuntu (ubuntu-ltsp)? Maybe collaborating with skolelinux (also based on debian)?
[08:56] <ogra> or the package maintainers ? (that would be MOTU for universe) ....
[08:56] <dross> oh
[08:56] <dross> hmm
[08:57] <dross> ogra: I don't know :)
[08:57] <ogra> mvirkkil, there is something planned for UdU about it
[08:57] <mvirkkil> ogra: Forgive my n00bism but what's UdU?
[08:57] <ogra> mvirkkil, at least a BOF .... iirc
[08:57] <dross> ugh
[08:57] <ogra> mvirkkil, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuDownUnder
[08:58] <mvirkkil> ok.
[08:58] <dross> mvirkkil: please stop with the buzz/fad words
[08:58] <dross> mvirkkil: not only are you being hostile, but childish. This isn't #debian
[08:58] <ogra> mvirkkil, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuDownUnderBOFs (search for Thin Clients)
[08:58] <dholbach> dross: HM?
[08:59] <dross> ogra: I'm glad they finally updated the package I was wanting
[08:59] <mvirkkil> dross: Could you please be more specific?
[08:59] <mvirkkil> ogra: Thanks.
[08:59] <ogra> :)
[09:00] <dross> *dishonorment
[09:00] <dholbach> dross: could you please elaborate on where mvirkkil was impolite?
[09:00] <dross> mvirkkil: you made an inappropriate comment earlier.
[09:01] <dross> mvirkkil: it was very impolite, and a shameable offense.
[09:01] <mvirkkil> dross: About when someone came to the channel asking for help, and was repeatedly asked to leave and I wondered if an op might kick him?
[09:02] <dross> mvirkkil: its not your place to state in the channel who needs kicking. It definitely could have gone to privmesg
[09:03] <zenwhen> Hello Fellows :)
[09:09] <mvirkkil> dross: Ahh.. I found the text. I was suggesting YOU should be kicked because you came to the channel asking newbie questions that weren't appropriate, but only AFTER I and others had helped you.
[09:09] <mvirkkil> dross: If I offended you I appologize.
[09:14] <mvirkkil> Damn. Didn't notice he left.
[09:21] <pitti> Hi guys
[09:22] <ogra> hey pitti 
[09:23] <dholbach> hey pitti 
[09:25] <blueyed> I'm having problems with powernow-k8: "transition frequency failed".. seems to be stalled at 1ghz (amd64 3000+, nforce4-ultra)
[09:28] <blueyed> no ideas? I'm using 32bit ubuntu..
[09:39] <zenwhen> The Livecd runs really well in VMware now
[09:42] <blueyed> ..there is no BIOS option for cool'n'quiet. It starts with 1.8GHz after reboot, then drops to 1GHz and stays there.. 8/
[09:42] <sladen> what's the situation on the Spatial mode patch?
[09:43] <sladen> blueyed: this is a -user question
[09:43] <pitti> seb128: here?
[09:44] <seb128> pitti: hi :)
[09:45] <blueyed> ok, sladen. Just thought this may be a general problem to solve. It means that a 1.8ghz will run at 1ghz only - all the time!
[09:46] <sladen> blueyed: because it's not being used!
[09:46] <sladen> blueyed: if you start something, the CPU frequency will go up as it's neededr
[09:47] <toresbe> are there AMD64 Hoary lives?
[09:47] <zenwhen> toresbe, yes
[09:47] <toresbe> zenwhen: yay
[09:47] <zenwhen> I tried the daily from yesterday on my amd64 machine and it works great
[09:47] <toresbe> great
[09:48] <toresbe> Just got a new machine
[09:48] <blueyed> sladen, I've tested with burncpu - 100% cpu usage.. then new errors go to /var/log/syslog, but no frequency changing.
[09:48] <pitti> night everybody
[09:48] <toresbe> I feel so dirty, I'm used to abandonware :P
[09:48] <mvo> night pitti 
[09:48] <blueyed> sladen, and this happened with 32bit and 64bit kernel.
[09:48] <toresbe> I'll just put it up for an overnight download, then 
[09:49] <ogra> argl
[09:49] <ogra> Program received signal SIGTERM, Terminated.
[09:49] <ogra> 0x0000002a9662a6b5 in select () from /lib/libc.so.6
[09:49] <pitti> night mvo
[09:49] <zenwhen> my AMD64 machine is infortunatley not completely mine for the screwing with as I have a ton of people relying on me to keep it up as a fileserver for a project I am working on.
[09:49] <ogra> wtf
[09:49] <toresbe> zenwhen: got an url there?
[09:49] <dholbach> bye pitti
[09:49] <zenwhen> I am thinking about getting a new amd64 machine to use as a desktop
[09:49] <toresbe> zenwhen: they rock
[09:49] <zenwhen> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org
[09:49] <ogra> if you start time and date admin xscreensaver gets aSIGTERM
[09:49] <toresbe> zenwhen: so silent! <3
[09:49] <toresbe> zenwhen: thanks :)
[09:50] <zenwhen> I hit that site up for two new lives and a new daily install every weekend to do testing and get my desktop up to date.
[09:51] <zenwhen> the ONY major issue I have run into is with the new Nvidia drivers.
[09:51] <zenwhen> Which i wish had been left out of hoary, but thats not my decision.
[09:51] <toresbe> tore@fortran:/shared/hd2/torrents$ wget -c http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily-live/20050403/hoary-live-amd64.iso --limit-rate=80k
[09:51] <toresbe> --21:50:13--  http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily-live/20050403/hoary-live-amd64.iso
[09:51] <ogra> seb128, do you have any insight in the gnome-system-tools code ? i'm wondering why a SIGTERM on xscreensaver gets triggered if you click ok
[09:51] <toresbe>            => `hoary-live-amd64.iso'
[09:51] <toresbe> Resolving cdimage.ubuntulinux.org... 82.211.81.176, 82.211.81.155
[09:51] <toresbe> and I tried it again, and it worked
[09:51] <toresbe> Connecting to cdimage.ubuntulinux.org[82.211.81.176] :80... connected.
[09:51] <toresbe> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
[09:51] <toresbe> what the hell?
[09:51] <ogra> seb128, in time-and-date-admin
[09:52] <zenwhen> odd
[09:58] <seb128> ogra: no idea
[09:58] <ogra> hrmm...bad, looks RC
[10:00] <seb128> ogra: xscreensaver seems to restart fine
[10:00] <ogra> seb128, not here...and a user reported it in the -users list....that made me look
[10:01] <dholbach> hrm
[10:01] <ogra> seb128, the daemon just stops f i click ok....gdb shows a SIGTERM...
[10:02] <dholbach> ogra: does the backtrace tell you anything?
[10:02] <ogra> dholbach, Program received signal SIGTERM, Terminated.
[10:02] <ogra> 0x0000002a9662a6b5 in select () from /lib/libc.so.6
[10:02] <ogra> thats all
[10:03] <mvirkkil> ogra: Does strace tell you anything useful?
[10:03] <mvirkkil> ogra:  Strace might give you an idea why that select() is being called
[10:04] <ogra> oh
[10:04] <ogra> select(4, [3] , [] , [] , {4, 915213})     = ? ERESTARTNOHAND (To be restarted)
[10:05] <seb128> ogra: "bt"
[10:06] <ogra> Cannot access memory at address 0x7fc0000000
[10:07] <ogra> hmm...
[10:07] <ogra> seb128, ^^
[10:07] <dholbach> this can't be all
[10:08] <ogra> i guess i'll have to compile a debug version....
[10:08] <ogra> dholbach, what happens to your screensaver if you run time-and-date ?
[10:09] <dholbach> time-and-date?
[10:09] <ogra> System->Systemverwaltung->Zeit und Datum
[10:10] <ogra> err Datum und Uhrzeit
[10:11] <dholbach> ogra: no SIGTERM
[10:12] <ogra> it runs fine ? 
[10:12] <dholbach> process still running
[10:12] <dholbach> same pid
[10:12] <ogra> hmm
[10:12] <seb128> same here, that's weird
[10:12] <seb128> gdb gets a crash
[10:12] <ogra> www.grawert.net/xss_bt.txt
[10:12] <seb128> but the pid doesn't change
[10:12] <ogra> www.grawert.net/xss_strace.txt
[10:13] <seb128> same here
[10:13] <ogra> weird
[10:14] <ogra> could it be that t&d admin tries to restart it with uid 0 ? since it runs with that...
[10:14] <seb128> restart what ?
[10:15] <ogra> xscreensaver
[10:15] <ogra> oh.... my .xsession-errors looks interesting...
[10:15] <ogra> art_render_invoke: no image source given
[10:16] <seb128> nothing to do with that afail
[10:16] <seb128> afaik
[10:16] <ogra> no, seems not related..
[10:16] <ogra> already starts before my testing...
[10:24] <ogra> hmm, but restarting with a sighup seems to work too, it even gives a nice message to stdout
[10:24] <ogra> ogra@honk:~ $ xscreensaver -nosplash
[10:24] <ogra> xscreensaver: 22:22:36: SIGHUP received: restarting...
[10:24] <ogra> xscreensaver: 22:22:36: running as ogra/ogra (1000/1000)
[10:58] <dholbach> good night everyone
[11:13] <tseng> bye dh
[11:13] <tseng> er.
[11:14] <ogra> seb128, if i run  sudo time-admin, it works like expected, if i run gksudo time-admin, it breaks....
[11:15] <seb128> ogra: perhaps that's due to the focus locking ?
[11:15] <ogra> yup, thats what i suspect....i'll talk to mvo, he was hacking at it, wasnt he ?
[11:16] <ogra> s/at/on
[11:16] <sivang> seb128, ogra : 'sup dudes?
[11:17] <seb128> hi sivang 
[11:17] <ogra> hey sivang 
[11:17] <sivang> what's up? any new interesting g-s-t bugs? :-)
[11:18] <sivang> seb128: btw, I havn't forgot those release bugs we talked about, just didn't have enough time, will fix them before release thought
[11:18] <seb128> which ones ?
[11:18] <kernel_panic> hi
[11:18] <sivang> seb128: the ones I reassigned to myself, some missing groups from profiles.xml and one username masking
[11:19] <seb128> right
[11:19] <seb128> hoary is this week
[11:19] <sivang> I kno
[11:19] <sivang> know
[11:20] <sivang> but matt said it's was for 10th no?
[11:20] <kernel_panic> I'm trying to install mozilla-firefox_1.0.2-0ubuntu2_powerpc.deb but the .deb seems to be broken
[11:20] <sivang> ah oops
[11:20] <sivang> that's this week :-)
[11:20] <thom> kernel_panic: define broken, given it's worked for thousands of others
[11:21] <kernel_panic> shoul'd I paste ~7 lines ?
[11:21] <kernel_panic> s/'//
[11:21] <thom> message them to me
[11:21] <sivang> anyway people, night for now, see you too tommorow.
[11:21] <thom> night sivan
[11:22] <sivang> night thom ! :-)
[11:23] <ogra> ciao sivang 
[11:23] <sivang> night ogra 
[11:23] <doko> seb128: the font fix will be in hoary, just sent you a diff so you can check it out
[11:23] <seb128> k, thanks
[11:24] <doko> Robot101: please ask jbailey about glibc
[11:59] <roo__> are there plans to version bump abiword? (from 2.2.2)
[11:59] <roo__> currently, it doesnt seem to support importing JPGs :/
[11:59] <dredg> 5 days before release, there are very few plans to bump anything i reckon :)
[12:00] <roo__> nevermind that the word processor doesn't handle the world's most popular image format ;)
[12:00] <thom> it can't be that important if they get to version 2.2 before it does support it
[12:00] <dredg> i'd argue that it's a word processor and not an image processor
[12:00] <dredg> but meh
[12:01] <mvirkkil> Any info on the wiki-b0rkage?