[12:04] <wasabi_> Well this is weird.
[12:04] <wasabi_> Are uploads disabled or something or has my key been deleted? =/
[12:04] <wasabi_> Rejected: java-common_0.22ubuntu1_source.changes: upload is signed by 0x08167DA250571AB7B686B1E2453679F982756FE6 but is not in the Maintainer keyring.
[12:04] <wasabi_> Rejected: java-common_0.22ubuntu1.dsc: upload is signed by 0x08167DA250571AB7B686B1E2453679F982756FE6 but is not in the Maintainer keyring.
[12:07] <dholbach> hmmmm
[12:08] <Riddell> wasabi_: java-common is in main
[12:08] <wasabi_> yeah just noticed.
[12:08] <wasabi_> buh.
[12:08] <wasabi_> didn't even look at it. heh.
[12:08] <wasabi_> everybody please type /clear!
[12:09] <tritium> Hello, everyone.
[12:10] <wasabi_> guess I'll just wait a few days.
[12:11] <dholbach> 900M    /var/cache/pbuilder/result/   - guess i clean up
[12:13] <tritium> Hi herve.
[12:13] <herve> re
[12:13] <herve> hi tritium
[12:25] <dholbach> good night everybody!
[12:25] <tseng> bye dholbach
[12:26] <tritium> Good night, dholbach!
[12:26] <herve> sleep tight!
[12:26] <dholbach> :-)
[12:38] <herve> Treenaks, there?
[12:46] <herve> Treenaks, in case you read, keeping the orig initrd *is* important
[12:46] <herve> I wondered why the battery status didn't worked and notice orig was bigger than current, althought it should not since we add data to the current initrd
[12:46] <herve> good night all
[12:46] <herve> ++
[01:25] <Kirsch> Hello
[01:25] <tritium> hi Kirsch
[01:26] <Kirsch> i wanna help but it seems that creating a DEB package is hard... i'm sure its not, just a lot of reading about knowing stuff, is there a simple howto?
[01:26] <tritium> Kirsch, the Debian New Maintainer's Guide is probably the first place to start.
[01:26] <Kirsch> the main deb one seems REALLY detailed for what i wanna start with..
[01:26] <Kirsch> I checked that.
[01:27] <dopey> if  you google around, you can find a lot of step-by-step guides
[01:27] <dopey> try one of those, then read over the new maintainer's guide - its a lot clearer when you have some context/understanding
[01:28] <Kirsch> do u guys have any suggestions? i found something the other day, lemme show u
[01:29] <Kirsch> http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8047723203.html
[01:32] <Kirsch> is that url good?
[01:33] <tritium> Kirsch, it seems like good guide, like dopey suggested starting with.
[01:34] <tritium> But, again, I'd read the New Maintainer's Guide next.
[01:37] <Kirsch> ok
[02:46] <randabis> I can create .debs, but I just need to find something worthwhile to package and maintain...:p just about everything under the sun is taken care of already hehe
[03:10] <tritium> randabis, there's stuff on the MOTUTodo
[03:15] <randabis> ah good :)
[05:41] <kurros> 5 minutes! is that a record? :)
[06:18] <randabis> hehe
[06:19] <randabis> appologies
[06:21] <bddebian> Dang, and here I thought this was the nice place.. :-)
[06:21] <dredg> it is
[06:26] <dredg> i should sleep soon
[06:51] <bddebian> Well that was an easy install. :-)
[06:52] <dredg> right, there are bird singing
[06:52] <dredg> i think it's bed time
[06:53] <bddebian> Heh
[06:53] <dredg> ie. holy crap it's fucking late :(
[06:53] <bddebian> hehe
[06:53] <dredg> night
[06:53] <dredg> :)
[06:54] <bddebian> gnight
[08:47] <Treenaks> shit! too late to add + test https://sourceforge.net/projects/sbs-linux/ for hoary
[08:47] <Treenaks> oh wait.. that requires patching DSDTs.. nevermind
[09:51] <crimsun> morning, tritium
[09:57] <tritium> morning, crimsun
[09:57] <tritium> You're up late.
[10:00] <tritium> Hi dholbach
[10:00] <dholbach> goooooood morning!
[10:00] <dholbach> tritium: hey michael
[10:00] <dholbach> still awake?
[10:01] <tritium> yeah, for now
[10:01] <tritium> how are you?
[10:01] <dholbach> i'm fine... but still wait for the coffee ;-)
[10:01] <tritium> :)
[10:04] <tritium> I'm going to try something...be right back
[10:28] <tritium> good night dholbach, crimsun
[10:29] <dholbach> sleep tight :-)
[10:29] <tritium> :)
[10:30] <dholbach> amu_, haggai, Riddell: nice work on HelpingKubuntu - it could serve as a template for the upcoming MOTU Teams
[01:36] <HostingGeek> If anyone has a min. could they rebuild gmailfs to depend on python2.4 and not 2.3 if not i'll make ANOTHER report in malone
[01:37] <dholbach> there is already a report in malone?
[01:39] <crimsun> HostingGeek: I'm working on that today
[01:40] <crimsun> today is my catch-up-on-MOTU-stuff day
[01:40] <HostingGeek> coool!
[01:40] <HostingGeek> dholbach: there are to many open reports on malone
[01:41] <dholbach> too many?
[01:41] <dholbach> i saw 2 pages
[01:42] <ogra> there are exactly 31 bugs in malone currently....
[01:42] <HostingGeek> dholbach: 2 PAGES!
[01:42] <dholbach> more?
[01:42] <dholbach> HostingGeek: if you want to tell me how to do my job, i.e. tell me there were too many open reports, it will make me angry, can you see that?
[01:43] <HostingGeek> dholbach: i am not saying there are to many open
[01:43] <tseng> HostingGeek: do you know how many packages are in universe?
[01:43] <dholbach> just complaining is completely out of order in an open community
[01:44] <tseng> there are thousands.
[01:44] <HostingGeek> i am saying there 2 pages so by the time you get to this easy to fix one it will be who knows when
[01:44] <dholbach> HostingGeek: here is what you said: "<HostingGeek> dholbach: there are to many open reports on malone"
[01:44] <HostingGeek> Read what i said
[01:44] <ogra> and saying there are already open reports about gmailfs just isnt true
[01:44] <tseng> since its an easy fix
[01:44] <dholbach> and everyone will take your "to" for a "too"
[01:44] <tseng> how about you send us a source package
[01:44] <tseng> with said easy fix.
[01:45] <dholbach> HostingGeek: please elaborate on what you wanted to say
[01:46] <dholbach> HostingGeek: i'll apologize, if i misunderstood you in a hurry
[02:15] <dholbach> HostingGeek: i don't want to stoke up the fire again, but you surprise me every time: if somebody thought i bitched about him, i'd do everything to show him under the wrong impression...
[02:16] <HostingGeek> dholbach: sorry talking to my teacher!
[02:17] <dholbach> ah yes
[02:24] <Riddell> crimsun: how come python-qt still build deps on python2.3-dev?
[02:25] <crimsun> it does?!
[02:26] <crimsun> oh I see.
[02:26] <crimsun> We were supposed to keep python2.3 packages in addition to providing python2.4 ones
[02:27] <crimsun> python-qt3 should pull in python2.4-qt3, doesn't have any python2.3 deps afaics
[02:27] <Riddell> right I see
[02:29] <herve> hi
[02:30] <dholbach> hey herve
[02:37] <Riddell> crimsun: what is needed to convert packages to python 2.4?
[02:38] <crimsun> Riddell: generally just adjusting debian/{control,rules}
[02:39] <crimsun> Riddell: and any supplementary files under debian/  that explicitly reference python*
[02:39] <herve> this means forgettting about python2.3 versions?
[02:40] <herve> Riddell, did you notice debian dropped kvim?
[02:40] <Riddell> herve: nope, what did they say?
[02:40] <crimsun> herve: yeah, I noticed that :(
[02:41] <herve> Riddell, unmaintained crack, not worth fighting with it
[02:41] <Riddell> I can empathise with that :)
[02:42] <herve> crimsun, this is not really motu compliant :-)
[02:42] <Riddell> herve: did you notice if they have a package for Yzis?
[02:43] <dholbach> hey koke
[02:43] <herve> hi koke
[02:44] <Riddell> no they havn't, should add that to the helpingkubuntu list
[02:44] <koke> hi all!
[02:44] <ogra> hi koke
[02:45] <herve> Riddell, just an ITP, 39 days ago
[02:46] <Riddell> herve: got a URL?
[02:46] <Riddell> ah, clever google has one
[02:47] <HostingGeek> Would it be a good idea to patch update-botifier to include reps like mallarat.... and that java one?
[02:47] <HostingGeek> sorry about typos...
[02:47] <HostingGeek> brb
[02:47] <Riddell> HostingGeek: no
[02:47] <HostingGeek> why? brb
[02:48] <Riddell> because they're nothing to do with ubuntu
[02:49] <HostingGeek> if miss the bus answer this.....
[02:49] <HostingGeek> Ahh just read
[02:49] <HostingGeek> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=23550
[02:51] <HostingGeek> arghhh.... i am here to stay...
[02:52] <HostingGeek> Riddell: well n00bs want these packages they can't get
[02:53] <herve> argh!
[02:53] <dholbach> HostingGeek: anything about "<HostingGeek> dholbach: there are to many open reports on malone"?
[02:53] <crimsun> welcome, AstralJava.
[02:53] <AstralJava> Thanks. :)
[02:54] <AstralJava> Still have a few glitches when it comes to gaim. Figured it out eventually.
[02:54] <crimsun> AstralJava: besides the bounties page, I recommend you take a look at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTU
[02:54] <HostingGeek> dholbach: the fix is simple the ones in malone with high piority are not simple so by the time you get to it (because of the number of reports)....
[02:54] <AstralJava> Alright, will do.
[02:55] <dholbach> HostingGeek: ah i see... well since it's so easy, why don't you (as tseng suggested) provide us with a fixed source package?
[02:56] <HostingGeek> dholbach: I already said that a few weeks ago
[02:57] <dholbach> we have bug reports that are older than a few weeks and more important, but if you provided us with a fixed source package, it would all be easier
[02:57] <HostingGeek> dholbach: i answered it a few weeks ago read your logs
[02:59] <dholbach> hm?
[02:59] <tseng> you "answered" what?
[03:00] <HostingGeek> the reason why i wot do such thing for such a small edit
[03:00] <ogra> HostingGeek, this channel is no bug reporting tool
[03:01] <ogra> malone is.
[03:01] <HostingGeek> ogra: i know i just wanted to see if anyone had time...
[03:01] <ogra> report it in malone please
[03:02] <dholbach> and please try not to complain about how we run things, please!
[03:02] <HostingGeek> ogra: crimsun said he is already fixing it
[03:02] <HostingGeek> why should i report something which was alreading being fixed as we speak?
[03:02] <HostingGeek> its a waste of resorourses
[03:03] <tseng> you are a waste of resources
[03:03] <ogra> HostingGeek, your discussion is a waste of ressources
[03:03] <ilmari> how does the hoary freeze affect universe?
[03:03] <ogra> HostingGeek, please report bugs now and in the future in malone...not in this channel
[03:03] <ogra> ilmari, it freezes too
[03:04] <tseng> universe freezes for final
[03:04] <HostingGeek> ogra: i do....
[03:04] <ogra> ilmari, like it did in warty and will do for breezy
[03:04] <ilmari> ogra: i see
[03:04] <HiddenWolf> ogra: is the new bugzilla up?
[03:04] <HostingGeek> ogra: you just pushed the question
[03:04] <tseng> "new bugzilla"?
[03:05] <ilmari> ogra: no chance of getting munin 1.2.x in, then
[03:05] <ogra> HiddenWolf, didnt read my announcement ? ;) the url is in the topic :)
[03:05] <HostingGeek> tseng: he means malone
[03:05] <crimsun> (it's kinda insulting to call malone a new bugzilla ;)
[03:05] <HostingGeek> ilmari: no
[03:05] <HiddenWolf> ogra: never read topics. :)
[03:05] <HostingGeek> crimsun: people call epiphany gnomezilla
[03:05] <herve> didn't notice too :-)
[03:05] <HiddenWolf> herve: either
[03:06] <ogra> ilmari, tseng cares for mono .... if you can lend him a hand probably the chances get better ;)
[03:06] <tseng> what is muinin
[03:06] <ogra> ilmari, his word counts for all of mono ;) convince him...
[03:06] <ilmari> munin has nothing to do with mono
[03:06] <dholbach> perhaps a gamin-aware muine :-)
[03:06] <tseng> yeah.
[03:06] <ogra> oops, sorry, i read muine
[03:07] <ilmari> it's a statistics-gathering/graphing system
[03:07] <ilmari> see http://munin.sf.net/
[03:07] <ogra> ilmari, libgd based
[03:07] <ogra> ?
[03:07] <ilmari> ogra: no, rrdtool
[03:07] <dholbach> ilmari: if you prepare a source package you can advertise it on wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages
[03:07] <tseng> have you tested the version from unstable ilmari ?
[03:07] <tseng> rebuilt for ubuntu
[03:07] <ilmari> tseng: yes, I'm co-maintaining it ;-)
[03:07] <ogra> ilmari, hehe, rrd uses libgd ;)
[03:07] <dholbach> ah ok
[03:08] <tseng> great, if you can confirm that the version from unstable builds and runs on hoary
[03:08] <tseng> we can sync it
[03:08] <ilmari> great!
[03:08] <ilmari> i'll take the version from incoming ;-)
[03:08] <ilmari> (uploaded yesterday, targeted for sarge)
[03:08] <tseng> ok.
[03:08] <dholbach> ilmari: you can put it on wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToSync, so we don't forget to fetch it :-)
[03:08] <ogra> ilmari, nice tool btw :)
[03:08] <dholbach> (or make elmo fetch it)
[03:09] <ogra> cacti is also nice, but oversized in many environments :)
[03:09] <tseng> yep
[03:10] <tseng> I have a large environment :P
[03:10] <tseng> cacti needs more frequent releases.
[03:10] <dholbach> those java-folks...
[03:10] <dholbach> what they call a source package
[03:11] <dholbach> ... has millions of .jar files in it
[03:11] <herve> ;-)
[03:11] <ogra> that might be only zipped sourcecode
[03:11] <dholbach> isnt
[03:11] <dholbach> checked that :-)
[03:11] <ogra> heh, those java-folks...
[03:12] <dholbach> yeah :_)
[03:14] <herve> what the... a blog without rss feed...
[03:15] <ogra> herve, we call that a guestbook *g*
[03:19] <dholbach> oh joy... i'll be able to write joey hess a "your package was included into ubuntu - do you want to be part of the MOTU crowd"-mail :-)
[03:19] <ogra> LOL
[03:20] <ogra> dholbach, please blog about te reply *grin*
[03:20] <dholbach> will do
[03:22] <ogra> heh
[03:22] <HostingGeek> OMG no! http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18418&page=2&pp=10
[03:23] <HostingGeek> I think that thread gives enough of a reason to upgrade oo.o2
[03:24] <crimsun> OO.o2 is at 1.9.79.2-0ubuntu2
[03:25] <crimsun> updated 1 Apr
[03:27] <HostingGeek> crimsun: cool!
[03:27] <HostingGeek> people using redhat packages for ubuntu how sick....
[03:28] <HostingGeek> crimsun: umm some people are saying .85 is beta not .79 like in ubuntu o.0 /me checks oo.org
[03:30] <herve> hi sabdfl, trulux
[03:31] <HostingGeek> *g* oo.org is useless
[03:33] <ilmari> ogra: I can't add munin to the MOTUToSync page, logging in fails with "'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 20: ordinal not in range(128)"
[03:34] <ilmari> it didn't like my non-ascii real name
[03:34] <ilmari> registering went fine, but logging in fails
[03:34] <ogra> hrm...
[03:34] <ogra> mail webmaster@ubuntu.com and file a bug in bugzilla would be two possible things.... :-/
[03:35] <ilmari> luckily bugzilla accepted my name
[03:35] <ilmari> damn asciist plone!
[03:35] <ilmari> ;-)
[03:35] <herve> you don't even know ;-
[03:35] <herve> ))
[03:36] <herve> ilmari, note you're really logged in, just go back to that page
[03:36] <ilmari> oh, indeed
[03:36] <ilmari> well, it's still a bug
[03:36] <herve> I'll file the bugreport
[03:37] <herve> I've forgotten to file it for too long
[03:37] <ilmari> editing doesn't work either
[03:37] <ilmari> 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'fullname'
[03:37] <HostingGeek> ilmari: bugzilla loves playing tricks on people yesterday some in #gnome said there reply to a report had an error.... but it still got sent in
[03:38] <herve> ilmari, erm... my intuition is that you're not that logged in after all ;-)
[03:39] <ilmari> I have all the edit, comment etc. buttons, and the header bar has my name and "log out"
[03:39] <ilmari> i guess i'm in some sort of limbo
[03:39] <herve> what page where you on?
[03:39] <ilmari> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUToSync
[03:40] <herve> I can't reproduce it
[03:41] <ilmari> works now
[03:41] <ilmari> weird
[03:42] <herve> heh, it's plone ;-)
[03:43] <HostingGeek> f***ing plone!
[03:44] <herve> HostingGeek, politeness...
[03:44] <encolpe> whouarf
[03:44] <HostingGeek> herve: don't talk ubuntu say nake pictures in it
[03:45] <HostingGeek> thats not polite at all
[03:45] <tseng> HostingGeek: hey dude, can you come back when you have something productive to say?
[03:45] <tseng> you waste a disproportionate ammount of our time with no return.
[03:46] <HostingGeek> I got something.
[03:46] <tseng> ok.
[03:46] <HostingGeek> A Ubuntu maintainors Guide
[03:46] <HostingGeek> why should we use the debian one!?
[03:47] <herve> ilmari, btw, the report was already filed
[03:47] <dholbach> ....................................................................
[03:47] <tseng> because it is just as applicable?
[03:47] <tseng> we do use debian packages, after all.
[03:47] <herve> because it does exists
[03:48] <crimsun> HostingGeek: there's a reason the Debian documentation, as a base, is 100% relevant.
[03:48] <HostingGeek> tseng: so what? this is ubuntu And it easy to fix up the debian maintainors guide to be 100% valid for ubuntu
[03:48] <HostingGeek> crimsun: well the pbuilder part....
[03:48] <tseng> HostingGeek: what parts arent valid?
[03:48] <tseng> HostingGeek: we documented ubuntu changes on the wiki
[03:48] <crimsun> HostingGeek: not _just_ pbuilder but the entire NM and DD documention
[03:48] <tseng> its very succinct and imediately obvious
[03:49] <HostingGeek> tseng: well the way it is is like: learning html to learn xhtml.... you could just learn the xhtml way in the first place
[03:49] <tseng> its hardly the same at all
[03:49] <dholbach> HostingGeek: what would be more approriate in this channel would be: "i fixed doc x.y to say <abc>"
[03:49] <tseng> xhtml is a stricter standard
[03:49] <tseng> ubuntu changes on word in the changelog
[03:50] <tseng> you are back to wasting our time arguing a point you dont understand
[03:50] <tseng> im very very tired of it all.
[03:50] <dholbach> and it's still complaining
[03:50] <HostingGeek> tseng: there are lots of diffrences.....
[03:50] <tseng> no, there arent
[03:50] <dholbach> HostingGeek: please write them up in a mail to ubuntu-devel@
[03:50] <tseng>     * Set the target suite in debian/changelog to be 'hoary'. e.g. "dch -D hoary"
[03:50] <HostingGeek> Well if i make a yelp Ubuntu Maintainors Guide will anyone review it?
[03:50] <tseng>     * When working with a package which originated in Debian, use a version number derived from the Debian version number with ubuntu<revision> appended. i.e. Debian 1.0-2 becomes 1.0-2ubuntu1, followed by 1.0-2ubuntu2, etc.
[03:50] <tseng> done.
[03:50] <crimsun> HostingGeek: remember that Debian is our base, so we use Debian tools and documentation.  We add where appropriate.  If there are questions, #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-motu are present.
[03:51] <dholbach> HostingGeek: you absolutely know that every contribution is appreciated
[03:51] <HostingGeek> crimsun: #ubuntu-devel is not that present for me....
[03:51] <dholbach> discussing if anyone will review it is insane
[03:51] <crimsun> HostingGeek: (for reasons having naught to do with development)
[03:52] <HostingGeek> dholbach: i know it appreciated but does any of you have that much free time
[03:52] <tseng> you seem to have lots of free time
[03:52] <dholbach> HostingGeek: asking if anyone will appreciate and review a bit of work in the first place is insane
[03:52] <tseng> the docs team would surely be happy to work with you if you wrote something.
[03:53] <dholbach> we wouldnt be MOTUs if we wouldnt have shown efforts in the first place
[03:53] <HostingGeek> tseng: hmm should i rewrite or do something from scratch?
[03:53] <dholbach> that's how opensource works
[03:53] <tseng> you can do whatever you feel is best for ubuntu
[03:54] <HostingGeek> dholbach: ohh yea... i forgot... this is not #ubuntu-docs
[03:58] <tseng> wb
[03:59] <ogra> hrm...i hate it...
[03:59] <tseng> HostingGeek: going to ubuntu-docs and asking them to review something you havent written isnt any better
[04:03] <HostingGeek> tseng: who said i am going to do something that stupid #ubuntu-docs is not #ubuntu-motu
[04:03] <tseng> well, thats what you did in here.
[04:04] <tseng> do you take us for a bunch of chumps, and you would be nicer in another channel?
[04:08] <HostingGeek> tseng: i said i am not stupid and no other channel is #ubuntu-motu besides #ubuntu-motu
[04:08] <dholbach> apt-get.org finished - i'm off
[04:09] <tseng> bye dholbach
[04:09] <HostingGeek> dholbach: Nice!
[04:09] <HostingGeek> dholbach: cya
[04:09] <herve> dholbach, you deserve it :-)
[04:09] <dholbach> thanks... bye :-)
[04:09] <ogra> yayfor dholbach
[04:10] <ogra> :)
[04:11] <herve> a sudden feeling of loneliness... :-)
[04:12] <HostingGeek> is jamse (elmo) the guy to talk to about the website?
[04:12] <ogra> herve, he'll come back, be sure ;)
[04:13] <crimsun> HostingGeek: webmaster@  is preferred
[04:13] <HostingGeek> crimsun: Its to simple for an email
[04:13] <crimsun> HostingGeek: nothing's too simple for an email ;)
[04:13] <herve> ogra, just meant the hola I started, but yes he will miss us :-)
[04:14] <ogra> heh
[04:14] <HostingGeek> crimsun: is it jamse?
[04:14] <crimsun> jamse is not elmo, no
[04:15] <crimsun> not sure if you mean "james" or "jamse"
[04:15] <HostingGeek> crimsun: james sorry
[04:22] <mwh_> Hello, everybody!
[04:22] <crimsun> hello
[04:22] <mwh_> I would like to get involved with motu
[04:22] <crimsun> great!
[04:22] <mdke> btw is there a wiki for package requests?
[04:22] <mdke> MOTUTodo?
[04:22] <crimsun> yes, please see wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[04:23] <mwh_> I used to build my own system with LFS, but wanted to try out the latest Gnome and did not want to start the masive recompile/configure stuff so I tried out Ubuntu
[04:23] <mwh_> Now I have falled in love with Ubuntu and I want to help out
[04:24] <crimsun> mwh_: excellent, there're lots of informative pages under /MOTU
[04:24] <mwh_> I dont have much experience building packages for distro's though, a little I have from Stampede when that was hot
[04:24] <mwh_> crimsun: Ill take a look
[04:24] <mdke> can't find the right page
[04:24] <mwh_> perticulary I would like to help with the mono related packages
[04:25] <herve> mdke, you mean it's a NEW package?
[04:26] <mdke> herve, its an idea for a new package
[04:26] <mdke> hi herve btw
[04:26] <crimsun> mwh_: please speak with tseng regarding mono; he's our mono dude
[04:26] <mwh_> yes I saw that on the wiki
[04:26] <mwh_> tseng: knock knock
[04:26] <herve> mdke, the package doesn't exist yet? (hi!)
[04:26] <crimsun> mwh_: you might find it helpful to interact with the folks in #debian-mono, too
[04:27] <mdke> herve, no
[04:27] <mwh_> crimsun: ahh good idea
[04:27] <tseng> mwh_: yes?
[04:27] <mdke> herve, i was thinking maybe you would have a page for suggested packages
[04:27] <herve> mdke, so what are you waiting for? :-p
[04:27] <mdke> herve, i don't have the time/ability
[04:27] <tseng> mwh_: i prefer to talk in the channel please.
[04:27] <mwh_> tseng: I would like to help on the mono-team
[04:27] <mwh_> tseng: thats allright
[04:27] <tseng> cool.
[04:27] <herve> mdke, indeed, there is no such page
[04:27] <mdke> ok
[04:27] <mdke> np
[04:27] <tseng> mwh_: how much are you aware?
[04:28] <mwh_> tseng: mainly getting packages which depends on mono into universe
[04:28] <tseng> of the mono stuff and packaging in general
[04:28] <mwh_> tseng: I have hacked a bit on gtk#
[04:28] <herve> mdke, what is its name? it would be best if it was in debian before
[04:28] <tseng> cool.
[04:28] <mdke> herve, i'm not sure if it is in debian
[04:28] <mdke> herve, its pysoulseek
[04:28] <mwh_> tseng: also I have built it from scratch since 0.6 or something
[04:28] <mdke> there is a stable gentoo ebuild if it helps ;)
[04:29] <mwh_> tseng: How is it going with maintaining it?
[04:29] <tseng> its going fine
[04:29] <herve> mdke, I don't think so :-)
[04:29] <tseng> im working on de /usr/share/dotnet
[04:29] <mwh_> tseng: hows the releations with debian-mono?
[04:29] <tseng> and 1.1.6
[04:29] <tseng> mwh_: pretty good
[04:29] <mwh_> okay
[04:29] <tseng> i am sponsored for f-spot
[04:29] <herve> mdke, no trace in debian
[04:29] <tseng> and good relation with muine maintainer
[04:29] <mwh_> tseng: nice
[04:29] <mdke> herve, no big deal
[04:29] <tseng> tomboy is my own, they dont ahve it yet
[04:29] <mdke> herve, its not exactly the most important prog ever
[04:30] <mwh_> tseng: I did some of the code for f-spot :) i18n stuff
[04:30] <tseng> cool.
[04:30] <mwh_> f-spot is really nice
[04:30] <mwh_> anyways I have never build a debian/ubuntu package before
[04:30] <tseng> ok, good debian new maint
[04:31] <tseng> and work your way through the guide.
[04:31] <mwh_> I guess its not hard, I just need the information on how to get started
[04:31] <tseng> actually
[04:31] <tseng> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/wiki/DeveloperResources
[04:31] <tseng> everything you need is there.
[04:31] <crimsun> and here and in #ubuntu-devel :)
[04:31] <tseng> you can ask me specific questions
[04:31] <tseng> or anyone here, yeah :P
[04:33] <mwh_> okay
[04:33] <mwh_> thats nice
[04:33] <mwh_> So I think my first project would be to get Jump n' Bump Menu into Universe
[04:33] <mwh_> A frontend for the nice little game jump n bump writte in c# and gtk#
[04:34] <mwh_> tseng: so I make a package and test it .. then send it to you?
[04:34] <ogra> mwh_, see: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTU
[04:34] <tseng> something like that
[04:35] <mwh_> ill read the docs .. :)
[04:35] <ogra> :)
[04:35] <tseng> great.
[04:35] <mwh_> tseng: what do you think of having both mono-1.x and mono-1.1.x?
[04:35] <tseng> i think that would not work
[04:35] <mdke> herve, if i happen to find some time maybe i'll find out to package and try and make a test package of it
[04:35] <mwh_> then when 1.2.x is out deprecate mono-1.x?
[04:36] <tseng> we are moving to 1.1.x in the next release
[04:36] <mwh_> tseng: why would it not work?
[04:36] <tseng> because they install the same files in the same locations
[04:36] <tseng> and no we arent putting stuff in prefixes and making fancy wrapper scripts.
[04:36] <mwh_> okay
[04:38] <mwh_> 1.1.x is also getting pretty good anyways
[04:38] <tseng> is recommended by upstream for distribution
[04:38] <mwh_> hope the next version after mono 1.2 will be parallel installable
[04:38] <tseng> but there is not enough time for hoary
[04:38] <tseng> I dont
[04:38] <mwh_> why
[04:39] <tseng> because if people want to use an unstable branch they can build it themselves in /usr/local
[04:39] <tseng> I am going to distribute whatever works best.
[04:39] <mwh_> i see the point
[04:39] <tseng> which for breezy is 1.1 / 1.2
[04:39] <mwh_> though it could be pretty many prefix's if one tests a lot of different mono versions
[04:40] <tseng> why would there be more that 2 versions
[04:40] <tseng> 1.0 is pretty well unsupported by upstream already
[04:40] <mwh_> if you want to make sure your programs run on both versions
[04:40] <mwh_> bugfixing both versions
[04:41] <tseng>  /usr and /usr/local
[04:41] <mwh_> anyways it doesnt matter that much
[04:41] <tseng> nope.
[04:41] <tseng> we will package exactly 1 version
[04:41] <tseng> the bindings are a different story
[04:41] <tseng> they parallel install and are incompatible
[04:41] <mwh_> yes
[04:41] <tseng> so you get libgtk-cil libgtk2.0-cil
[04:42] <mwh_> so how do it look with gtk# now?
[04:42] <tseng> ^
[04:42] <mwh_> ah
[04:42] <tseng> but i have to shower, feel free to hit the docs :P
[04:42] <tseng> cya soon.
[04:42] <mwh_> sure
[04:42] <mwh_> ill return when I have a usefull package of jumpnbump menu
[04:42] <mwh_> happy hacking guys!
[04:43] <tseng> cya.
[05:06] <trulux> hey herve
[05:06] <trulux> bbl
[05:06] <crimsun> cya
[05:08] <HostingGeek> crimsun: cya
[05:08] <crimsun> HostingGeek: that was for lorenzo
[05:08] <HostingGeek> ok
[05:22] <siretart> hi
[05:22] <siretart> does anyone know what happened to the wiki? my page got deleted :(
[05:25] <crimsun> siretart: known issue.
[05:26] <crimsun> hopefully one of the Canonical guys will fix it quickly.
[05:26] <siretart> crimsun: what happened? old backup restored? do I need to recreate it?
[05:26] <crimsun> siretart: I wouldn't touch anything atm
[05:26] <crimsun> siretart: and I really don't know...
[05:27] <siretart> ok
[05:35] <Riddell> crimsun: I can't figure out how to make python-kde3 compile, are you able to take a quick look?
[05:35] <Riddell> http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/python/
[05:36] <crimsun> sure, sec
[05:39] <crimsun> I had started transitioning python-kde3, but Xfce 4.2 took over
[05:40] <Riddell> bah
[05:40] <crimsun> ok, you only wanted me to look at the orig.tar.gz?
[05:41] <Riddell> nope, at the whole thing, run debuild and it gives sip errors
[05:42] <crimsun> hmm, well I see the orig.tar.gz for python-kde3 but the diff.gz for python-qt3
[05:42] <crimsun> so I'm not sure what you want me to do...
[05:43] <crimsun> oh, I see
[05:43] <Riddell> crimsun: copied the wrong files, try now
[05:43] <crimsun> ok
[05:43] <crimsun> yeah, I just refreshed :)
[05:49] <crimsun> Riddell: one thing you might want to look at is using separate build dirs for python 2.[34] 
[05:50] <crimsun> I actually yanked Debian's newer configure.py for that purpose
[05:50] <crimsun> (and modified debian/rules)
[05:52] <Riddell> hmm, more tricky than I had expected this
[06:06] <crimsun> hmm, yeah.  I'm not sure I'm going to be able to help with that one.
[06:06] <crimsun> it doesn't build with either python2.3 or python2.4
[06:07] <crimsun> one way to check for sure is to ask elmo for a sync for python-qt3
[06:07] <crimsun> (sid has 3.14.1-1)
[06:08] <crimsun> (3.14.1-1 has support for both python2.3 and python2.4 packages)
[06:09] <crimsun> I'm not familiar with upstream development on sip, so I'm afraid that's beyond my expertise
[06:09] <herve> Riddell, what's wrong with python-kde?
[06:09] <herve> configure.py fails?
[06:10] <crimsun> looks like it
[06:10] <Riddell> herve: download it and find out :)  http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/python/
[06:11] <herve> last time I tried, it said something like "unable to create C++ code"
[06:11] <herve> I thought I fubar my qt/sip environment
[06:11] <crimsun> herve: / Riddell: one of the things to watch out for is the red herring: PyQt reports itself as 3.14.1, but it's only 3.11.3.  The version inconsistency comes from the newer configure.py in python-qt3
[06:12] <herve> so we need to contactupstream
[06:12] <crimsun> hmm, that should be fixed (d'oh!), but that won't change the error in building python-kde3
[06:12] <crimsun> sip: sip/kdecore/kshortcutlist.sip:85: There is already an enum in scope with the same Python name
[06:13] <herve> I had the same kind of error
[06:13] <Riddell> but is that a problem with the code or a consequence of trying to make both 2.3 and 2.4 packages?
[06:13] <crimsun> Riddell: the code
[06:14] <crimsun> I tried building _only_ with 2.3 then only with 2.4
[06:14] <crimsun> both failed
[06:14] <Riddell> crimsun: but it must have compiled once upon a time?
[06:15] <crimsun> according to http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/p/python-kde3/3.11.3-3/ , no
[06:15] <Riddell> oh, it didn't
[06:15] <Riddell> bummer
[06:17] <herve> "#294079: python-kde3 is not buildable on kdelibs4 = 3.3.2"
[06:17] <herve> even
[06:17] <herve> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=python-kde3
[06:18] <herve> interesting reports
[06:18] <crimsun> yeah
[07:05] <nictuku> hi
[07:11] <nictuku> hi. I was trying to contribute  a newer version of pound, but it seems it failed to build in a few archs http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/p/pound/1.7-1/ . What should I do?
[07:11] <nictuku> or else, what is actually its status?
[07:13] <dholbach> is the 1.7 version the one you made?
[07:13] <dholbach> you're looking at the test rebuild (you maybe noticed the /Test/ in the URL)
[07:13] <dholbach> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/p/pound/1.7-1/    <--- these are the real logs
[07:13] <nictuku> hmm
[07:14] <dholbach> and after some ia64-hiccup it went ok
[07:14] <nictuku> no, i believe it was 1.7-2ubuntu1
[07:14] <dholbach> so don't worry
[07:14] <dholbach> hm
[07:14] <nictuku> let me check
[07:14] <dholbach> did somebody upload it?
[07:14] <nictuku> www.grupomabel.com.br/ubuntu
[07:15] <dholbach> so nobody has uploaded it yet
[07:15] <dholbach> you can always tell if you look at this list: lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hoary-changes/2005-March/thread.html
[07:15] <nictuku> oh nice
[07:16] <nictuku> I'll be right back. xterm's clipboard is not transfering to firefox.
[07:21] <nictuku> should ubuntu packages have major changes compared to debian ones? like, if there is a serious fork there, they can become independent and changes in debian's would be hard to track, right? what is the policy about this?
[07:22] <herve> crimsun, Riddell, new debian version of python-kde3
[07:23] <herve> "   * Added extra/332 so it builds with KDE 3.3.2 (Closes: #294079)"
[07:24] <nictuku> I wonder if anybody had time to see my updates, or else, what happened there?
[07:25] <nictuku> they were simple changes :)
[07:25] <herve> nictuku, let me catch up
[07:25] <nictuku> www.grupomabel.com.br/ubuntu
[07:25] <nictuku> I've put its reference in MOTUTodo
[07:25] <nictuku> but it's not there anymore :)
[07:27] <herve> pound could build
[07:27] <herve> what have you changed?
[07:27] <nictuku> support to "webdav" (actually, extra 4 characters support)
[07:28] <nictuku> that is needed to support subversion sites, for example
[07:28] <nictuku> I'll later try to catchup with upstream version.
[07:29] <nictuku> but for the next ubuntu release..
[07:29] <herve> you mean you changed the upstream version, not just activated a feature missing in debian?
[07:30] <nictuku> no, I've activaded a feature missing in debian
[07:31] <herve> hmm...
[07:31] <herve> you did not based your changes on ubuntu's version
[07:31] <nictuku> yes I did
[07:31] <herve> this makes change tracking harder
[07:31] <nictuku> at least I believe I dod so
[07:32] <dholbach> nictuku: you took 1.7-1 from ubuntu?
[07:32] <nictuku> yes
[07:32] <nictuku> apt-get source pound
[07:32] <dholbach> then it should be 1.7-1ubuntu1
[07:32] <herve> your version sais -2ubuntu1
[07:32] <herve> (says)
[07:33] <herve> er... diffing your version with ubuntu's one
[07:33] <herve> it looks like there are changes to the upstream sources
[07:33] <nictuku> yep, I changed -1 to -2. Now I notice I shouldn't have hehe.
[07:33] <herve> it even looks like a new upstream release :-)
[07:34] <nictuku> now I'm confused
[07:34] <nictuku> I only changed debian/rules and changelog
[07:34] <nictuku> that was my patch :)
[07:35] <herve> nictuku, I doubt you added support to motorola architectures for just a webdav patch ;-)
[07:35] <nictuku> yeah i didnt
[07:35] <crimsun> herve: great, thanks.
[07:35] <herve> or...
[07:36] <herve> nictuku, have you played with autoconf, automake, and their friends?
[07:36] <nictuku> hmm no
[07:37] <dholbach> herve: must have been changes to config.{guess,sub} in the clean target of debian/rules
[07:37] <herve> dholbach, yes it is
[07:38] <herve> nictuku, otherwise, your changes are really just two lines altered ;-)
[07:38] <nictuku> indeed, maybe one line
[07:38] <herve> nictuku, but I suggest you learn dpatch
[07:38] <herve> there is a nice introduction here: tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=7
[07:38] <nictuku> ok
[07:39] <herve> the idea is to ease your life as a maintainer
[07:39] <nictuku> maybe I got warty's pound, not hoary's.
[07:39] <herve> and send the patch to debian as a wishlist bug
[07:39] <nictuku> to do my changes
[07:39] <herve> nictuku, I think I know
[07:39] <herve> what you've done
[07:39] <herve> you used debchange (dch)?
[07:40] <nictuku> that bug was marked as wontfix by debian. (I'm trying to talk the maint to rever that)
[07:40] <nictuku> yes, I used dch
[07:40] <herve> ok, I see
[07:40] <herve> dch incremented the revision number
[07:40] <herve> and you added ubuntu1 to it
[07:40] <herve> argh! did the DD gave arguments?
[07:41] <nictuku> hehe sort of. he said: "The upstream author should have  a reason to leave that feature disabled by default"
[07:41] <herve> dholbach, how to validate changes if config.{guess,sub} are altered?
[07:41] <herve> that's not an argument ;-)
[07:41] <nictuku> truth is the impact is MINIMAL.
[07:42] <herve> upstream saying "unstable crack" *is* an argument
[07:42] <dholbach> i normally do   debdiff orig/bla.dsc bla.dsc | grep -E "\-\-\-"
[07:42] <dholbach> so i know which files changed
[07:42] <nictuku> http://www.apsis.ch/pound/pound_list/archive/2005/2005-03/1112144446000/1112202600000#1112202600000
[07:42] <nictuku> this is what the upstream author replied
[07:43] <nictuku> I'll see if I can patch upstream to add that feature as option file triggered, not compile time.
[07:44] <dholbach> schweeb: ping
[07:45] <nictuku> is there any problem using a warty system to update a package, but getting the source from hoary?
[07:45] <herve> nictuku, I can't make my mind reading upstream answer
[07:46] <dholbach> PLEASE STOP ME FROM KILLING!+
[07:46] <dholbach> PLEASE STOP ME FROM KILLING!+
[07:46] <dholbach> PLEASE STOP ME FROM KILLING!+
[07:46] <dholbach> PLEASE STOP ME FROM KILLING!+
[07:46] <dholbach> *ARG*
[07:46] <herve> dholbach, ??
[07:46] <dholbach> my apt-get.org work
[07:46] <dholbach> *CRY*
[07:46] <dholbach> the wiki state was reverted to april, 1st
[07:46] <nictuku> my argument is: security impact is minimal. Better enable that, since it's an important feature.
[07:47] <nictuku> by security, read "let {}<> chars be accepted by pound"
[07:47] <dholbach> wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetOrg
[07:48] <ogra> dholbach, a lot of people complained about that
[07:48] <herve> dholbach, so they restored the DB?
[07:48] <herve> nictuku, upstream position is not really clear
[07:48] <ogra> (saw it on #-devel and on #ubuntu)
[07:49] <dholbach> this means my whole work is gone
[07:49] <herve> zwiki bug?
[07:49] <dholbach> 2-3 days
[07:49] <ogra> nictuku, he talks about possible serious security issues with this switch on....this will in any case requite a audit from the security team
[07:49] <ogra> dholbach, no local copy ?
[07:50] <herve> 20 pm already? time to eat a flammekueche :-)
[07:50] <dholbach> ogra: no... never thought i would have to have a local copy of the wiki
[07:50] <ogra> hmm....
[07:51] <nictuku> leave this by now then. I'll see if I can patch upstream, then, by letting the user to enable that option in config file. It would be disabled by default.
[07:51] <ogra> sounds good
[07:52] <motaboy> dholbach: http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:dQLbupW1-g4J:https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetOrg+aptgetorg&hl=en&start=1&ie=UTF-8
[07:52] <motaboy> dholbach: google power
[07:52] <dholbach> motaboy: this is even older
[07:52] <dholbach> unfortunately
[07:52] <motaboy> dholbach: :( :(
[07:53] <dholbach> motaboy: but thanks for trying :-)
[07:57] <herve> dholbach, in your firefox cache?
[08:00] <dholbach> please somebody give me something to work on, so i will forget it
[08:01] <dholbach> i can't start recompiling today
[08:01] <herve> hmm
[08:01] <dholbach> it would depress me too much
[08:01] <herve> dholbach, another option
[08:02] <dholbach> maybe i'll package a newer version of hula... hmm
[08:02] <herve> anyone suscribed to the AptGetOrg page and have all the notification mails?
[08:02] <dholbach> i'm subscribed to the wiki but deleted all the mails once i read them
[08:03] <Amaranth> :/
[08:03] <Amaranth> this is why you use gmail :P
[08:03] <herve> Amaranth, trash cans exist too...
[08:04] <Amaranth> wow, ~/.mozilla/firefox/<profile>/Cache sucks
[08:04] <Amaranth> it's just whatever i've viewed in the last ~10 minutes
[08:39] <motaboy> I'd be happy if someone of motu can review the "abakus" and the "metabar" packages on my dev site: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SimoneGotti
[08:39] <motaboy> dholbach: I added the man page for abakus
[08:39] <dholbach> motaboy: cool
[08:48] <StoneTable> Hm.  The two packages I had up for review on wiki/UniversePriorityList are no longer in the review section, not under done or can't build
[08:49] <ogra> StoneTable, the wiki broke today...
[08:49] <ogra> StoneTable, i assume you added them the last two days
[08:49] <StoneTable> yep
[08:50] <StoneTable> database restored, eh?
[08:50] <ogra> seems all changes got wiped...
[08:50] <StoneTable> okay, thanks
[08:54] <StoneTable> well, I have two up for review: http://thorin.battleaxe.net/~stone/hoary/
[08:54] <StoneTable> I'm adding them back to the wiki now
[08:54] <ogra> StoneTable, but monitor it ? i dont know how reliable it is to add things there currently :)
[08:55] <StoneTable> yeah, I'll keep a close eye on it :)
[09:03] <Treenaks> has the nautilus bug been removed yet?
[09:03] <ogra> bug ? you mean the new enhancement ?
[09:03] <Treenaks> ogra: the spatial-breaking bug
[09:04] <ogra> the spatial enhancement feature, yes :)
[09:04] <StoneTable> is that what's causing my nautilus windows to close when I open a new one?
[09:04] <Treenaks> ogra: stop drinking that kool-aid.. it sucks :)
[09:04] <ogra> depends which mousebutton you use
[09:04] <Treenaks> ogra: the left one.. I use the middle one to close old windows
[09:05] <ogra> its just flipped....
[09:05] <Treenaks> ogra: it just sucks
[09:05] <ogra> nah
[09:05] <thoreauputic_> ogra: I made a major enhancement to nautilus: apt-get install rox ;)
[09:05] <ogra> heh
[09:05] <Treenaks> apt-get install nautilus-sane
[09:05] <Treenaks> I'm a motu, I can upload nautilus-sane to universe\
[09:06] <ogra> Treenaks, there already is a long thread in u-d@ add your opinion :)
[09:06] <dholbach> ok... what do you think are the most important things that we need to do until release
[09:06] <Treenaks> ogra: I know, but I don't like forum-based threads
[09:06] <ogra> heh
[09:06] <Treenaks> ogra: all the forum posters are idiots
[09:06] <dholbach> i still have apt-get.org on my plate, and kernel-stuff with schweeb - what do YOU still see?
[09:06] <ogra> Treenaks, hey
[09:06] <ogra> Treenaks, CoC
[09:07] <Treenaks> ogra: +generally then
[09:10] <Treenaks> ogra: nah, my opinion is the one I see the most in the thread: "Make new behavior available in prefs dialog. Keep old way default."
[09:11] <ogra> Treenaks, its sabdfls decision....
[09:11] <ogra> Treenaks, indeed you can argue and discuss it with him, but in the end his word counts...
[09:11] <ogra> ...try to convince him...not me :)
[09:12] <Treenaks> ogra: I could create a derivative of ubuntu... he wants to make that easy, right? :)
[09:13] <ogra> Treenaks, true, go ahead :) but i doubt its worth the work for only one package :)
[09:13] <dholbach> but you could instead work on other bugs, couldnt you?
[09:13] <dholbach> :-)
[09:13] <Treenaks> dholbach: the nautilus thing is VERY annoying
[09:14] <ogra> Treenaks, i dont think so :)
[09:14] <Treenaks> dholbach: I'm really thinking of providing only a "fixed" binary on my website (aptable) and linking from the wiki + forum or something
[09:14] <dholbach> Treenaks: i won't sit around gazing at it all day :-)
[09:14] <Treenaks> dholbach: I use it a lot, and breakage sucks
[09:15] <ogra> Treenaks, my personal folder structure is sane enough that it doesnt suck....what sucked was that i always when i had to work with other files i had to hold the shift key to get where i wanted...
[09:15] <Treenaks> ogra: or middle-doubleclick..
[09:16] <Treenaks> anyway, relearning sucks
[09:16] <ogra> Treenaks, thats very stressy on my laptop touchpad
[09:17] <Treenaks> I'll stop arguing about it. I'm still convinced al of Ubuntu will get flamed over this in a MASSIVE way
[09:18] <Treenaks> by reviewers, etc.
[09:18] <crimsun> I don't mind the change itself, but it belongs in Breezy, not Hoary.
[09:18] <crimsun> It's too late in the schedule.
[09:18] <Treenaks> crimsun: that's my #2 option, yes
[09:24] <herve> re
[09:30] <crimsun> re
[09:30] <dholbach> crimsun: how is "xfce for hoary" going?
[09:31] <crimsun> dholbach: well, it's 99% done.  Everything's transitioned and installable.  I'm chasing down an annoying undefined function issue in xfdesktop4.
[09:32] <dholbach> crimsun, jani: you rock
[09:32] <crimsun> dholbach: it's a shame the wiki went boom, because I had made a nice page detailing the status of all the packages.
[09:32] <crimsun> yeah, jani did nearly all the plugins
[09:32] <dholbach> crimsun: i'll wait for a definite answer and then go on
[09:33] <crimsun> I've just uploaded (hopefully) the last meta-xfce4 with a Depends on rox-filer, so everything is go
[09:33] <herve> is the wiki safe to modify now?
[09:33] <dholbach> so cool you guys are working on it
[09:33] <crimsun> jani and I will discuss replacing some of the artwork with Ubuntu-oriented
[09:34] <dholbach> herve: i'll put everything on my local wiki until i have a "go!"
[09:34] <dholbach> crimsun: you're the MOTUTeam prototype! you really are! :-)
[09:34] <crimsun> dholbach: ;)
[09:34] <ogra> yeah
[09:34] <ogra> great work so far....
[09:34] <crimsun> thanks, we have a great team here :)
[09:35] <dholbach> crimsun: i'll do a MOTUTeamHowto now, i guess you guys could review it ;-)
[09:35] <crimsun> hehe
[09:35] <herve> I'll go read the arch doc then
[09:35] <herve> see you later
[09:35] <dholbach> herve: you'll be my SPOC then :-)
[09:35] <herve> ?
[09:35] <dholbach> single point of contact :-)
[09:35] <ogra> Single Point Of Contact
[09:35] <herve> ho no please
[09:36] <dholbach> :-D
[09:36] <herve> don't push the use of uppercase too far
[09:36] <ogra> or even a nice vulcanian sience officer...selewct yourself ;)
[09:36] <dholbach> ogra: i prefer herve in the not-vulcanian way :-)
[09:36] <herve> this does not seem logical, ogra
[09:36] <ogra> hehe
[09:37] <dholbach> i'm "off" as well
[09:37] <herve> I'd rather be a single point of contact
[09:37] <herve> once I know what it means ;-)
[09:37] <herve> bye dholbach
[09:45] <tseng> hi all
[09:46] <crimsun> 'lo
[10:25] <tseng> ive been talking to meebey at debian mono, he is finishing up 1.1
[10:25] <tseng> i sent him a bunch of sources that I did De /usr/share/dotnet on
[10:25] <crimsun> yep :)
[10:25] <tseng> http://tseng2.ath.cx/~brandon/mono/
[10:26] <tseng> once those are in place we can de /usr/share/dotnet all the apps
[10:26] <tseng> and live happily ever after
[10:26] <tseng> less maintainence overhead
[10:27] <crimsun> sounds great
[10:27] <tseng> hopefully for the core as well
[10:27] <tseng> since it becomes a single source package
[10:27] <tseng> and the related (dh_net*) tools are being split out
[10:28] <Phython> dholbach: If you want retchmail you can get it at http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~ja2morri hoary universe
[10:28] <dholbach> Phython: oh nice
[10:28] <dholbach> Phython: will it be put into debian again?
[10:29] <Phython> dholbach: Hopefully in 10 days it will be in testing
[10:29] <dholbach> ROCK
[10:29] <tseng> testing is open?
[10:29] <dholbach> because i will put it on my router (still on debian)
[10:30] <dholbach> Phython: you could put it onto wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages and we get it in hoary before ;-)
[10:30] <Phython> tseng: WvStreams et al were removed from testing last week
[10:30] <dholbach> Phython: and wvstreams4
[10:30] <dholbach> :-)
[10:30] <tseng> i see.
[10:30] <dholbach> and retchmail already 3 months ago
[10:30] <dholbach> i grew quite fond of it
[10:30] <tseng> rc bug?
[10:31] <Phython> tseng: yeah, problems with WvDial and usb modems
[10:31] <dholbach> Phython: wvdial didnt use wvstreams4, did it?
[10:31] <Phython> dholbach: it does in debian, not in Ubuntu
[10:31] <dholbach> ah ok
[10:31] <Phython> I didn't touch WvDial or libwvstreams3 in Ubuntu
[10:32] <dholbach> Phython: what in the wv-universe do you take care of?
[10:32] <Phython> actually, I think jbailey and I figured out the WvDial and libwvstreams3-base in Ubuntu is my last upload of that
[10:33] <Phython> dholbach: I took care of all of it while I was at NITI, now coleSLAW does a lot of the release management
[10:33] <dholbach> Phython: you're not there anymore?
[10:33] <Phython> dholbach: no, I'm back at school
[10:33] <dholbach> Phython: ah ok
[10:33] <Phython> only 5 exams left then I am done for good
[10:33] <dholbach> :-)
[10:33] <dholbach> i'll keep my fingers crossed :-)
[10:33] <dholbach> i have one left
[10:33] <Phython> nice
[10:34] <dholbach> (and my thesis) *pipes innocently*
[10:34] <apokryphos> When making a .deb, is there a quick way to resolve dependencies and version numbers needed for those etc.?
[10:34] <Phython> apokryphos: apt-get build-dep ?
[10:34] <herve> re
[10:34] <dholbach> apokryphos: i'd use pbuilder (wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto) to build it in a chrooted environment and then set ${shlibs:Depends} as build-depends
[10:35] <apokryphos> When you're making the .deb from the package source, I should have said...
[10:36] <apokryphos> dholbach: ok, I'll try my luck with that. Thanks.
[10:36] <dholbach> apokryphos: de rien
[10:37] <herve> dholbach, yeah your thesis... don't you forget about it ;-)
[10:38] <dholbach> herve: please don't be a kill-joy  :-)
[10:38] <herve> I'll be your worst nightmare!
[10:38] <herve> muhahaha
[10:38] <herve> :)
[10:40] <herve> yeah short, you need to work afterwards :-p
[10:41] <dholbach> hehe
[10:45] <herve> so what is a SPOC?
[10:45] <dholbach> apokryphos: don't remind me
[10:46] <dholbach> herve: you're the one i'll haunt with "i can't $xyz in my arch repository" :-)
[10:46] <herve> dholbach, then I'll teach you what "rtfm" means ;-)
[10:47] <dholbach> herve: that is not a SPOCs job :-)
[10:48] <herve> I never signed for it!
[10:48] <herve> chessmate :-p
[10:48] <dholbach> :-)
[10:52] <ogra> herve, my dictionary says: counterpart, person in charge, reference person :)
[10:54] <herve> reference? er...
[10:58] <ajmitch> morning all
[10:58] <dholbach> i think i'm off for tonight, if anyone can bring me the lovely news that the wiki is back again WITH my work on it, please tell ogra, he'll give you my telephone number
[10:58] <herve> morning ajmitch
[10:58] <StoneTable> cya dholbach
[10:58] <dholbach> bye StoneTable
[10:59] <herve> nighty night, dholbach
[10:59] <ogra> damn gnome system tools
[10:59] <dholbach> bye herve :-)
[10:59] <crimsun> bye dholbach
[10:59] <herve> ogra, I didn't even know there're usable!
[10:59] <dholbach> bye crimsun
[10:59] <ajmitch> there was a wiki disaster? :(
[10:59] <dholbach> ajmitch: 3 days of apt-get.org compiling
[10:59] <ajmitch> eeevil
[10:59] <herve> ajmitch, the current wiky is the one from April, 1st
[11:00] <herve> which is sadly not a late April's fool...
[11:00] <ogra> herve, they are.... except the ones with bugs....
[11:00] <herve> ogra, which inclues... all? :-p
[11:00] <herve> (includes)
[11:01] <ogra> heh...in fact i never had probs with the time tool... but i have not the slightest idea why it kills the xscreensaver daemon if you click ok...
[11:02] <herve> you can reproduce it?
[11:03] <ogra> yup
[11:04] <sivang> hi all
[11:05] <ogra> h sivang
[11:05] <herve> because the timeout counter makes it crash, maybe?
[11:05] <ogra> hi even
[11:05] <dholbach> bye sivan
[11:05] <herve> hi sivang
[11:05] <ogra> herve, hmm, why should it do that....especially only if you click ok
[11:06] <herve> ogra, I don't know wether xorg or xscreensaver keeps track of that timeout
[11:06] <herve> apart from running xscreensaver within strace
[11:06] <herve> I have no idea
[11:07] <ogra> http://www.grawert.net/xss_strace.txt
[11:08] <herve> hmm... it terminates properly?
[11:08] <ogra> looks like
[11:08] <herve> I certainly hope it's not the timer tool sending him a SIGTERM
[11:09] <ogra> if i send a sighup manually it even restarts nicely
[11:09] <herve> instead of a SIGUP :-)
[11:09] <herve> SIGHUP, yes
[11:09] <ogra> yop
[11:10] <herve> can you strace what signals the timer tool emits?
[11:10] <ogra> currently doing it :)
[11:11] <ogra> YERY FUNNY
[11:11] <herve> I thought the xss daemon would be launched by gnome
[11:12] <ogra> it is...
[11:12] <herve> so you just have to make sure it get respawned
[11:12] <herve> ... I can't find it
[11:12] <ogra> the funny thing is, if i run sudo time-admin it doesnt get killed
[11:12] <ogra> oh, it does...it gets a new PID
[11:13] <herve> but respawns...
[11:13] <ogra> yup
[11:13] <ogra> looking at gksudo
[11:13] <ogra> AHA !
[11:14] <ogra> if i run it with gksudo xss doesnt restart
[11:14] <herve> not even killed?
[11:15] <ogra> crashed
[11:15] <herve> sure it doesn't restart then :-)
[11:15] <herve> ogra, have you seen http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=300962
[11:17] <ogra> herve, obviously ;) the third comment is mine ;)
[11:17] <herve> I haven't read :-)
[11:18] <ogra> they say my patch is bad....and in the end they suggest exactly the same i did *g* obviously the didnt even read my comment
[11:20] <herve> ok, read.
[11:21] <herve> so gnome is preparing their own xss interface? good
[11:21] <ogra> since quite a long time
[11:22] <ogra> i want to join the force there after release to put my help in there andhave a nice lock dialog for breezy :)
[11:23] <herve> sounds nice
[11:24] <herve> wow, it's getting late
[11:24] <herve> good night all!
[11:24] <ogra> night herve
[11:36] <ilmari> should I re-add munin to the MOTUToSync page, or will the reversion be reverted?
[11:38] <ogra> ilmari, we all hope it will get reverted, else a lot of work will be lost...