[12:00] <shadow98> what woudl be a good choice for a laptop with a wireless card 4.10 or 5.04?
[12:00] <randabis> I like amarok the more I use it
[12:01] <bosewicht> i was on that site last night, but i am going to try something
[12:01] <smouche> Arnia, it's a pity that there's no port to linux of foobar2000.  It's exactly what you described.  Fantastic playlists, but a ton of features available when needed.  And completely un-distracting.
[12:01] <LinuxJones> shadow98, 5.04 is going to be stable next week :)
[12:01] <black_Nightmare> umm I thought it already was???
[12:01] <whiteknight> bosewicht, just to say i've found a post on the ndiswrapper forum where someone got your card working with 1.1
[12:01] <black_Nightmare> :p
[12:02] <black_Nightmare> <finds my hoary preview quite stable everywhere already
[12:02] <randabis> shadow98: depending on the wireless card, it will most likely need additional setup after either install..I'd recommend 5.04 over 4.10 at this point
[12:02] <whiteknight> bosewicht, you should try it, it is less likely to have build errors, hope that helps
[12:02] <shadow98> ok thanks
[12:02] <Arnia> PacoBCN: I have that much music... Muine handles it perfectly
[12:03] <bosewicht> i've found one or two but they are with mandrake and i have followed their instructions but still didn't work
[12:03] <dhonn> http://www.uni-fi.com/ <-- sells ubuntu computers
[12:03] <hybrid> hello all
[12:03] <Arnia> A lot better than RhythmBox and Winamp ever did
[12:03] <randabis> hi hybrid
[12:03] <hybrid> hi randabis hi tritium
[12:03] <randabis> Arnia: amarok does a good job too. :)
[12:03] <tritium> hi hybrid
[12:03] <randabis> welcome tritium
[12:03] <tritium> hey randabis
[12:03] <PacoBCN> Arnia, you know what's the best handler I've see for music so far? Winamp music library
[12:03] <Arnia> smouche: Muine already does exactly what I want :)
[12:04] <skraaningsulv> i am doing a default install of ubuntu now. installing the base system went quickly, byt why does it have to copy all the packages to the disk? it takes a LOT if time on my acer PIII
[12:04] <Arnia> PacoBCN: I never had a good experience with it :)
[12:04] <PacoBCN> Arnia, with WInamp or the Music Library?
[12:04] <randabis> skraaningsulv: that's just how apt works
[12:04] <randabis> it always copies packages to disk
[12:04] <black_Nightmare> skraan..read a bit closer next time..you already could opt to leave out 700MB
[12:04] <smouche> hmm, looking at muine -- for a simple player, it sure seems to have a lot of dependencies...
[12:04] <hybrid> could someone confirm that if you edit your source.list to grumpy then you will have the bleeding edge packages like sid for debian
[12:04] <Arnia> PacoBCN: With the music library
[12:04] <black_Nightmare> but then...nevermind
[12:05] <randabis> smouche: that's because it uses mono
[12:05] <PacoBCN> Arnia, I find it great, the search option saved me a lot of time
[12:05] <randabis> Personally I like amarok better than muine
[12:05] <chelu2k> I continue without read permisions
[12:05] <Arnia> smouche: I already use Tomboy and Blam so those dependencies are there for me. And I write mono apps myself
[12:05] <chelu2k> PacoBCN, spanich?
[12:05] <skraaningsulv> but i thought the apt-get fetched programs from internet, not the local machine
[12:05] <chelu2k> spanish*
[12:06] <PacoBCN> chelu2k, not really but I do live in Barcelona
[12:06] <smouche> ah, of course.  It's mono.  (this is all new to me)  It's a very pretty app, Muine.
[12:06] <mjr> speaking of mono, is it coming for hoary/amd64?
[12:06] <shadow98> it is a dlink dwl 650
[12:07] <Arnia> PacoBCN: Muine's search option is brilliant... you search by song or by album and you search by anything in the string metadata. Separate tokens (space separated words) are searched independently so I can (for example) search for "Drake Pink" and return "Nick Drake -- Pink Moon" even though Nick Drake is the artist and Pink Moon is the title
[12:07] <shadow98> wireless card that is..
[12:07] <whiteknight> bosewicht, i've found where it says that it works with 0.8, it doesn't mean it will not work with 1.1, if you need any help setting it up just ask, i've set up ndiswrapper if that helps
[12:07] <Jamminpotato> hi ubuntu :)
[12:07] <DR_K13> hi jammin
[12:07] <Arnia> PacoBCN: If you reopen the search boxes they still contain your last search terms so you can add related songs quickly
[12:08] <smouche> Arnia, is Tomboy good?
[12:08] <MaxeyPad> is there a way to make enqueue the default action when I double click a .mp3 or m3u file to be opened in beep media player
[12:08] <Arnia> smouche: Tomboy is amazing
[12:08] <Arnia> smouche: Its so fantastically useful when researching and brainstorming and stuff
[12:08] <bosewicht> i was up till 4 am last night trying to get it to work and couldn't do it
[12:08] <whiteknight> bosewicht, hehe its just one of those things
[12:08] <randabis> wow, konqueror crashed...that's a first
[12:09] <Jamminpotato> hey randabis
[12:09] <hybrid> could someone confirm that if you edit your source.list to grumpy then you will have the bleeding edge packages like sid for debian
[12:09] <smouche> Arnia, I was looking for some kind of "personal wiki" thing to use, but setting up apache or whatever for most of them is a hassle- does Tomboy use a database...?
[12:09] <whiteknight> bosewicht, if you do want any help just ask
[12:09] <Arnia> smouche: I create a new note by Ctrl+Alt+N, I can type in it and it is saved continuously, the notes are linked together in a wiki, you can use formating and search
[12:10] <Jamminpotato> randabis, oh, i ended up just reinstalling XP :(, so now at some point i need to figure out how to install grub....
[12:10] <Arnia> smouche: No... don't think so. It just has a good indexing algorithm for *.note files in your ~/.tomboy directory
[12:10] <smouche> Arnia, that's exactly what I'm looking for -- I'm getting it now!  Thanks for the tip
[12:10] <smouche> Arnia- those are plain text files?  easily exportable?  (last question, I promise!)
[12:11] <Arnia> XML I think
[12:11] <smouche> Thanks!
[12:12] <shadow98> how do i find out if this wireless card will work or not?
[12:12] <Jamminpotato>  have a question to ask, i have winxp o nthe frist partition of a drive and then ubuntu on the second but i had to reinstall xp so i lsot grub, how do i reinstall gerub w/o reinstalling ubuntu
[12:12] <randabis> Jamminpotato: ouch...well, I believe there is an entry in the ubuntu wiki about that
[12:13] <Jamminpotato> randabis, yea im still slwoyl configuring stuff so it feels right, ill check the wiki
[12:13] <randabis> typically you would use a livecd and setup a chroot
[12:13] <acs> thansk for all the help
[12:14] <shadow98> is there a compatible hardware listing?
[12:14] <black_Nightmare> shadow98..prelimitary one yes
[12:14] <Jamminpotato> i want my ubuntu back
[12:14] <black_Nightmare> full one? nope
[12:14] <randabis> Jamminpotato: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[12:14] <Jamminpotato> thanks
[12:14] <exalted> Why the ubuntu-base package tends to remove with any other package removal? Or when i want to remove ubuntu-sounds, gdm is removed automatically, why is that so?
[12:15] <randabis> they probably depend on each other
[12:15] <mx|gone> exalted: because they depend on one another
[12:15] <fea> If you can boot into ubuntu with a rescue disk and access your install correctly, then you need to run "grub-install"  Check your hard drive, most likely you need "grub install hd0"
[12:15] <shadow98> black_Nightmare: where would i find it at
[12:15] <black_Nightmare> shadow98.. wiki > hardware support
[12:15] <exalted> A simple sound-theme on what may depend???
[12:15] <exalted> especially gdm!!
[12:15] <mx|gone> exalted: gdm plays a sound when it's thru initializing by default
[12:16] <exalted> mx|gone, let's say i removed it
[12:16] <exalted> mx|gone, disactivated that option
[12:16] <mx|gone> you wouldn't get updates to ubuntu-desktop
[12:16] <exalted> mx|gone, or using an other theme
[12:17] <bosewicht> whiteknight...lol..i think i need some help
[12:17] <mx|gone> also, the default gnome sound theme is contained in ubuntu-sound IIRC
[12:17] <Nomikos> anyone familiar with mounting hfsplus disks?
[12:17] <whiteknight> no worries
[12:17] <mx|gone> Nomikos: what's up?
[12:17] <esher> iam searching for nice "console" font for x-console-window (ascii ready) anyone here have some idea ?
[12:17] <whiteknight> bosewicht, i've got 2 hours on batteries, that enough to set up ndiswrapper
[12:17] <Nomikos> mx|gone: I'm trying to mount them with a set UID
[12:18] <mx|gone> Nomikos: why?
[12:18] <Jamminpotato> randabis, im a bit scared that grub will endu p killing te XP isntall again
[12:18] <whiteknight> bosewicht, first whats your system specs (roughly)
[12:18] <exalted> As to my very personal opinion that's illogical, a sound theme effects a very nice package, if i don't like ubuntu's sounds, i cannot update my desktop automatically, that's weird!
[12:18] <Nomikos> mx|gone: to be able to use one mailfolder from Thunderbird installs under both MacOS X and Ubuntu
[12:18] <esher> sorry
[12:18] <esher> iam searching for nice "terminal" font for x-console-window (ascii ready) anyone here have some idea ?
[12:18] <mx|gone> Nomikos: oooh, good idea :)
[12:18] <randabis> Jamminpotato: I don't think it was grub that killed it personally
[12:19] <mx|gone> Nomikos: well, you probably want to make sure your uids are the same between osx and linux
[12:19] <Nomikos> hmmm
[12:19] <Jamminpotato> randabis, waht do you think did it, and how cna i prevent it from occuring again
[12:19] <randabis> the reason I say that is I've done NUMEROUS ubuntu dual boot installs without having a single problem with grub messing up windows xp
[12:19] <mx|gone> Nomikos: or set up groups in both osx and linux that can write to that folder with the same gid
[12:19] <randabis> Jamminpotato: I don't know, windows breaks itself all the time...part of the reason I don't use it
[12:20] <Nomikos> mx|gone: hmyes, I might try that, thanks
[12:20] <mx|gone> Nomikos: was I any help?
[12:20] <Nomikos> mx|gone: well, I got another viewpoint on the problem, that's always good :-)
[12:21] <Jamminpotato> randabis, its not that it messed up winXP per se, it just messed up the boot ldr. all my data was still there as fara s i know, i jsut didnt have time to try and revoer it
[12:22] <randabis> Jamminpotato: again, I've done tons of dual boot installs without encountering that problem (as well as thousands of other people), so it is not likely that grub caused your problem
[12:22] <shadow98> sweet dwl-650 Automatically detected, setup even asks for the WEP key
[12:23] <randabis> shadow98: yeah, but unfortunately not true for the dwl-650+ (I have one and had to set up ndiswrapper)
[12:24] <konstantinos> can somebody help me with this? mounting my xp (fat32) drive the way the ubuntuguide describes (umount=000) shows up the contents of the root (C:\) directory only (no access to folders) and treats the folders as files (and can't do anything with them, to make things worse) - what's going on?
[12:24] <Jamminpotato> randabis, well ill try it again.
[12:25] <ells> tritium: what is up Mike
[12:25] <randabis> konstantinos: it should be umask=0000 not umount=000
[12:25] <tritium> ells, hi Steve
[12:25] <konstantinos> yes, that was it - my bad
[12:25] <konstantinos> it doesn't work...
[12:25] <ells> tritium: so what ya doing this weekend
[12:26] <tritium> ells, same old.  You?
[12:26] <ells> tritium: I am just hanging out, taking my boys to their soccer games
[12:26] <ells> tritium: I enjoy that kind of stuff
[12:26] <tritium> cool
[12:27] <ells> tritium: so did you fix your laptop
[12:27] <tritium> ells, I'm working on that now, actually
[12:27] <ells> tritium: cool
[12:27] <konstantinos> no way to mount my drive properly?
[12:27] <ells> tritium: you were saying before that I should be using the :686 kernel
[12:28] <ells> tritium: what should i do to install that thing
[12:28] <tritium> ells, you don't have to, but you definitely can!
[12:28] <ells> tritium; will my computer run better
[12:28] <tritium> ells, just install linux-686
[12:28] <tritium> you might notice a slight improvement
[12:28] <ells> tritium: is it worth it
[12:28] <tritium> ells, yeah, give it a try.  it won't uninstall the kernel you have
[12:29] <hehu> i'm using a fresh hoary and my /etc/sources.list is empty
[12:29] <ells> tritium; doing it now
[12:29] <tritium> ;)
[12:30] <SeeleyUSMC> Everyone hear the news on the Pope?
[12:30] <ells> tritium: all done
[12:32] <tritium> ells, cool
[12:33] <kbrooks> SeeleyUSMC, tell the chan
[12:33] <SeeleyUSMC> He's dead
[12:33] <tritium> SeeleyUSMC, yes, for a few hours now.  :(
[12:33] <osity> root@ubuntu:/home/rui # /etc/init.d/samba restart
[12:33] <osity>  * Stopping Samba daemons...                                             [ ok ] 
[12:33] <osity>  * Starting Samba daemons..                                              [fail] 
[12:33] <osity> root@ubuntu:/home/rui #
[12:34] <osity> why does it fail??? if i restart the server....it seems to work.
[12:34] <carlo> installing nvidia driver
[12:34] <SeeleyUSMC> I'm a Protestant, but the Pope is still a great leader in the Christian community
[12:34] <fsapo> =[ damn.. my hoary cd was corrupted
[12:34] <carlo> problem with installing kernel source
[12:34] <fsapo> =[
[12:34] <ells> tritium: I think I am gonna restart and see what happens
[12:34] <tritium> ells, see you soon.
[12:34] <SeeleyUSMC> fsapo: That happened to me earlier
[12:34] <ells> later Mike
[12:35] <fsapo> SeeleyUSMC, now i ll have to dist-upgrade :(
[12:35] <fsapo> hope my radeon works
[12:35] <carlo> any FAQ?
[12:35] <fsapo> i could burn the iso again.. but i think that the iso is corrupted
[12:36] <drbombay43> yellow, is anyone home?
[12:37] <osity> how do i update this crappy samba...it wont restart!
[12:37] <DR_K13> samba restart?
[12:37] <StinkingPig> hi
[12:37] <carlo> hi
[12:38] <StinkingPig> got a problem with a dell lat. c400
[12:38] <osity>  * Stopping Samba daemons...                                             [ ok ] 
[12:38] <DR_K13> hi
[12:38] <osity>  * Starting Samba daemons..                                              [fail] 
[12:38] <osity> thats what i get
[12:38] <StinkingPig> i'm trying to install warty warthog (love the Richard Scarry name) via netboot
[12:38] <kbrooks> and?
[12:38] <carlo> how to install kernel source?
[12:38] <StinkingPig> installation runs fine until disk partitioning, at which point it can't see the disk.
[12:38] <StinkingPig> dmesg shows no successful disk detection
[12:39] <LinuxJones> carlo, apt-get update && apt-get install linux-source-$(uname -r)
[12:39] <fromz> is ubuntu 5.x stable enough to use?
[12:39] <kbrooks> yes
[12:39] <kbrooks> i'm using it.
[12:39] <black_Nightmare> fromz...100% for me :p
[12:39] <phaedo> fromz: I just tried it on my laptop, and was amazed. I'm grabbing the install CD right now
[12:39] <black_Nightmare> EXCEPT....
[12:40] <black_Nightmare> no sound card still :|  -- bastard isa thing yeah
[12:40] <fromz> ah oik
[12:40] <fromz> what kernel does it use?
[12:40] <black_Nightmare> :p
[12:40] <dhonn> 2.6.10
[12:40] <phaedo> 2.6.10
[12:40] <fromz> good-o
[12:40] <kbrooks> fromz, isa is obsolete :P
[12:40] <black_Nightmare> 2.6.11.6 is already out on kernel.org btw
[12:40] <phaedo> how long until it goes final?
[12:40] <fromz> umm, I never said I was using it kbrooks :P
[12:40] <black_Nightmare> kbrooks..not quite so for some uses
[12:40] <dhonn> it has 2.6.11 in the apt repositories
[12:40] <carlo>  "Impossibile trovare linux-source-2.6.10-5-386" is the answer
[12:40] <LinuxJones> phaedo, monday I think
[12:40] <fromz> does it come with mono?
[12:40] <kbrooks> black_Nightmare, ok, deprecated
[12:40] <georges> hi, anyone knows of a good video editing tool?
[12:41] <kbrooks> happy?
[12:41] <kbrooks> fromz, no
[12:41] <kbrooks> fromz, why?
[12:41] <LinuxJones> georges, there is none in Linux yet
[12:41] <georges> *damn*
[12:41] <hybrid> could someone confirm that if you edit your source.list to grumpy then you will have the bleeding edge packages like sid for debian
[12:41] <fromz> because I develop in mono and am sick of having to compile mono each time there's an update.
[12:41] <georges> ok, do you know of a bad editing tool?
[12:41] <LinuxJones> georges, yeah main actor has a Linux version but it has some problems
[12:41] <black_Nightmare> krbooks...if you didn't think about this, 56K modems, 512K-5MB cables, etc are still useful on even isa bus
[12:41] <black_Nightmare> go figure ;)
[12:41] <phaedo> linuxboy: thanks!
[12:41] <fromz> I've been using slackware for the past... 5 years... and it's a bitch when I have to update mono to the newest release.
[12:42] <kingsley> Will a swap partition be faster if it's located next to or far away from the disk drive's spindle?
[12:42] <phaedo> sorry, LinuxJones  - thanks!
[12:42] <LinuxJones> hi carlo
[12:42] <Flipside> Hi, would anyone care to give me some help with Installing Fuse
[12:42] <fromz> I could go fedora or an RPM based release but no
[12:42] <LinuxJones> phaedo, :)
[12:42] <Flipside> I am trying to get gmailFS working
[12:42] <kbrooks> fromz, well, sid, the release upon which hoary is based upon, has it, IF you update your repositories. base-config does it for you
[12:42] <StinkingPig> kingsley, closer to the spindle
[12:42] <zerojager> gfjghjk
[12:43] <fromz> ok
[12:43] <kingsley> I missed that. Please repeat.
[12:43] <kbrooks> fromz, sid as in debian sid
[12:43] <fsapo> damn this upgrade-dist is estupid
[12:43] <fsapo> i ve added the cdrom
[12:43] <LinuxJones> carlo, open a console and type >> sudo apt-get update && apt-get install linux-source-$(uname -r) that will install the Linux Sources for your running kernel
[12:43] <fromz> ubuntu is just debian done differently though right?
[12:43] <fsapo> and it is downloading from internet -_-
[12:43] <kbrooks> kingsley, um.
[12:43] <phaedo> Upgrading from the RC to final should be trivial, yes?
[12:43] <kbrooks> phaedo, yes
[12:43] <fromz> I mean the packages are all the same for both debian and ubuntu, right?
[12:43] <kbrooks> very trivial
[12:43] <Flipside> can anyone help me get FUSE installed
[12:43] <kbrooks> fromz, not all the same
[12:44] <LinuxJones> phaedo, yeah just type apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and that's it
[12:44] <neighborlee> how do I backup my evolution email ?
[12:44] <phaedo> cool. well I just tried the LiveCD and I'm just blown away, so it's going onto my laptop tomorrow.
[12:44] <hybrid> anyone:  could someone confirm that if you edit your source.list to grumpy then you will have the bleeding edge packages like sid for debian
[12:44] <StinkingPig> so, any ideas about why a pxe-booted installer might not be seeing an ide disk?
[12:44] <JaZy84> is apt-get kind of like emerge for gentoo?
[12:44] <neighborlee> is it the 'mail' directory or do I need anything else...
[12:44] <georges> black_Nightmare: I'll try the mainactor demo version. still not shure if I will ever invest those $200 if they do a definitive version
[12:44] <neighborlee> JaZy84: yes
[12:44] <kbrooks> JaZy84, kind of
[12:44] <Flipside> quit
[12:44] <Flipside> exit
[12:44] <JaZy84> were can i read up on apt-get?
[12:44] <Flipside> close
[12:44] <phaedo> I'm coming from Mandrake 10.2 and I feel like I've finally found something that does even more things "just right" than this distro
[12:45] <black_Nightmare> georges....????
[12:45] <LinuxJones> JaZy84, do a search on the website
[12:45] <JaZy84> ty
[12:45] <StinkingPig> neighborlee, tar -czvf `date`-mail-backup.tgz ~/evolution/local
[12:45] <LinuxJones> JaZy84, there is a good tutorial on there I think
[12:45] <kbrooks> hybrid, confirmation PASSED
[12:45] <carlo> impossible find linux-source-2.6.10-5-386 is the answer
[12:45] <georges> black_Nightmare: well the windows version costs 199, so I guess that would be the same prize for everyone.
[12:45] <StinkingPig> neighborlee, missed a dot -- make that ~/.evolution/local
[12:45] <hybrid> kbrooks THANK YOU soo much
[12:45] <black_Nightmare> georges...window version of WHAT?
[12:45] <carlo> i'm using 5.4 release
[12:45] <fsapo> i m upgrading from 4.10 to the preview release any tips to make my 9800pro work correctly with xorg??
[12:46] <neighborlee> StinkingPig: yeah np...and i'd use wget to upload it ?
[12:46] <HiddenWolf> carlo: it's 5.04
[12:46] <neighborlee> StinkingPig: I have no desktop accesss so i'm stuck using  console stuff  LOL
[12:46] <kbrooks> hybrid, grumpy = hoary?
[12:46] <carlo> yes
[12:46] <black_Nightmare> kbrooks..lol
[12:46] <neighborlee> unless someone has idea how I fix this crc error I get at bootup...
[12:46] <georges> black_Nightmare: whoop, clicked on wrong nick! wanted to write to LinuxJones :-)
[12:46] <StinkingPig> neighborlee, wget just pulls down, you'll need scp to push up to a server
[12:46] <hybrid> kbrooks grumpy = sid for ubuntu
[12:46] <black_Nightmare> *sigh and snorts*
[12:46] <neighborlee> StinkingPig: okay yeah I wondered
[12:46] <black_Nightmare> georges...just watch out, next time I wouldn't be as easy
[12:47] <hybrid> so right now yes i believe it would be hoary
[12:47] <|QuaD-> i really want mono 1.1.5 or 1.1.6 :(
[12:47] <georges> black_Nightmare: lol
[12:47] <kingsley> Will a swap partition be faster if it's located next to or far away from the disk drive's spindle?
[12:47] <carlo> is the release candidate
[12:47] <shadow98> randabis: well hopefully this one works
[12:47] <kbrooks> kingsley, .....
[12:47] <hybrid> kingsley next to
[12:47] <LinuxJones> kingsley, how much ram do you have ?
[12:47] <kingsley> hybrid: Why?
[12:47] <carlo> is the reason for that?
[12:48] <kingsley> LinuxJones: 1 GB
[12:48] <shadow98> randabis: download is almost done so i will find out soon..
[12:48] <StinkingPig> kingsley, grab the nearest cd, put a dot on the center and a dot on the edge, then spin it around your finger.
[12:48] <randabis> hybrid: no...hoary = sarge in debian terms
[12:48] <chillywilly> hallo
[12:48] <hybrid> kingsley because the spindle doesnt have to go as far
[12:48] <HiddenWolf> Is it usual for new memory modules to turn up a couple of errors in memtest?
[12:48] <kbrooks> randabis, wrong
[12:48] <randabis> kbrooks: how so?
[12:48] <kbrooks> randabis, completely flawed
[12:48] <StinkingPig> hiddenwolf, no
[12:48] <LinuxJones> kingsley, that's plenty of ram you probably won't even use the swap unless your doing some very heavy work on your system
[12:48] <randabis> in what way?
[12:48] <hybrid> randabis so sid and grumpy are the same concept
[12:48] <carlo> i would like install nvidia driver but whitout kernel source is impossible
[12:48] <HiddenWolf> StinkingPig: so I need to RMA them?
[12:49] <neighborlee> StinkingPig: k thx
[12:49] <kbrooks> i know because hoary is completely bleeding edge
[12:49] <StinkingPig> i would
[12:49] <hybrid> kbrooks lol
[12:49] <LinuxJones> carlo, Ubuntu has nvidia drivers ready for download already
[12:49] <randabis> kbrooks: hoary is a testing release that will soon be a stable release...the same as sarge
[12:49] <StinkingPig> does the warty warthog installer kernel have ide support as a module or built-in?
[12:49] <HiddenWolf> StinkingPig, any chance re-running memtest would show different results?
[12:49] <|QuaD-> kbrooks: hoary isn't really bleeding edge anymore
[12:49] <|QuaD-> pseudo bleeding edge
[12:50] <kbrooks> randabis, sorry
[12:50] <hybrid> |QuaD i think he was being sarcastic
[12:50] <randabis> when hoary is released, it will be like woody (stable), and breezy will be the next testing
[12:50] <randabis> and grumpy will be unstable
[12:50] <hybrid> so breezy is not sid grumpy
[12:50] <kingsley> StinkingPig: Can you elaborate?
[12:50] <LinuxJones> carlo, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:50] <kbrooks> hybrid, no, i was not. i was serious
[12:50] <|QuaD-> randabis: you know when they will start the breezy repos?
[12:50] <hybrid> kbrooks hoary is very stable not very edgey
[12:51] <hybrid> |QuaD should be next week
[12:51] <fsapo> please.. wich is the exact command to upgrade the distribution?
[12:51] <hybrid> toward the end of next week
[12:51] <randabis> |QuaD-: most likely a week or so after hoary is released, similar to when hoary repos started about a week after warty was released
[12:51] <fsapo> i wanna upgrate from 4.10 to 5.04 with the cd
[12:51] <fsapo> i ve already added the cdrom
[12:51] <hybrid> Hoary goes final wednesday
[12:51] <|QuaD-> randabis: alright
[12:51] <skraaningsulv> is there a list over programs i can get through apt-get?
[12:51] <black_Nightmare> skraa 'synaptic'
[12:52] <randabis> hybrid: Friday actually, it was moved back 2 days for a reason that I forgot
[12:52] <kbrooks> skraaningsulv, synaptic
[12:52] <osity> kbrooks: shouls i update the samba package? I cant get the thing to restart without rebooting.. :(
[12:52] <santiago> hi, what is the name for the rythmbox plugin for mp3?
[12:52] <hybrid> randabis wow wasn't it orginally goin to be released monday? then wednesday then friday hmm interesting
[12:52] <randabis> fsapo: you'll need to set /etc/apt/sources.list to use the CD, and then run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:53] <randabis> hybrid: no, release date was set for April 6th for a long time I believe
[12:53] <fsapo> randabis, thanx
[12:53] <ells> tritium; Mike where should I notice the improvements
[12:53] <hybrid> 5.04 that would be the 5th of april oh so tuesday
[12:54] <hybrid> so they moved it 3 days
[12:54] <hybrid> not too bad
[12:54] <randabis> no
[12:54] <hgoesm> can someone post me the original sourcelist from ubuntu @ #mysource
[12:54] <randabis> 5 = year 2005 04 = month april
[12:54] <tritium> ells, like I said, you "may" notice the difference, you may not
[12:55] <ells> tritium; cool, ,just was wondering what areas, all good
[12:55] <hgoesm> i lost it
[12:55] <hybrid> randabis o i c srry
[12:55] <fsapo> randabis, thanx its upgrading.. and i hope it works :(
[12:55] <tritium> ells, speed, in general
[12:55] <carlo> thanks :) i'll tray
[12:55] <ells> tritium: will have to montior to see ya know
[12:55] <hybrid> is it source.list or sources.list
[12:55] <ells> tritium: what bout game play
[12:55] <randabis> sources.list
[12:55] <pi> hello
[12:55] <hybrid> nvm
[12:56] <tritium> ells, probably so
[12:56] <hgoesm> u know what i mean
[12:56] <StinkingPig> well I've tried two hard drives, I guess I'll just have to try another distro
[12:56] <hybrid> thanks randabis
[12:56] <ells> tritium; cool, tanks again
[12:56] <pi> someone know how to make work a netgear MA111 usb on ubuntu ?
[12:56] <tritium> ells, sure!
[12:56] <kingsley> hybrid: FYI: Google revealed: "Newer disks use ZBR (zone bit recording). They have more sectors on the outer tracks. With a constant number of rpms, this yields a far greater performance on the outer tracks than on the inner ones."
[12:57] <hgoesm> plz can someone post it in #mysource /etc/apt/sources.list Ilost it my is empty i need the original
[12:57] <hybrid> kingsley hmm when will these be released?
[12:57] <hybrid> oo
[12:57] <hybrid> nvm
[12:57] <skraaningsulv> synaptic looks great, guess its the right tool for a newbie like me
[12:57] <hybrid> *sigh*
[12:58] <Blissex> skraaningsulv: it is pretty good. Also get familiat with 'aptitude' for console based work.
[12:58] <hybrid> skraaningsulv it is nice but apt is simpler not neccessarily easier but simpler
[12:58] <hybrid> synapticc is nice though
[12:58] <tritium> kingsley, from the Debian Reference, section 3.1.13 "Swap Space":  Use a central portion of the hard disk when possible.
[12:58] <g23> Does Ubuntu support fluxbox for the desktop?
[12:59] <yfir> g23: depends what you mean by 'support'. it runs on Ubuntu, yes
[12:59] <jordanau> i want to get rid of totem, it tells me that ubuntu-desktop will be removed, is that bad, what should i do?
[01:00] <kingsley> hybrid: 2000??? You might be interested in http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/geom/tracksZBR-c.html
[01:00] <hybrid> if i changed my sources.list to grumpy do i have to dist-upgrade?
[01:00] <randabis> g23: It's a universe package
[01:00] <hybrid> kingsley no i misinterpreted you i thought you said Google made them
[01:00] <HiddenWolf> hybrid: there is no grumpy, yet, afaik
[01:00] <randabis> hybrid: I would expect so, when it is available
[01:00] <kingsley> tritium: Yes, I may owe you an apology. I should have mentioned that in this case, the swap partition will be on a different drive than the data. I assume Debian
[01:01] <yfir> lol, Hoary hasn't even released yet
[01:01] <black_Nightmare> any of you know about ati radeon aiw cards in here?
[01:01] <hybrid> randabis i think now h/o let me check
[01:01] <tritium> kingsley, you don't owe any apologies, I was just pointing it out ;)
[01:01] <kingsley> tritium: I assume Debian's reference is to one drive for both data and swap.
[01:01] <randabis> hybrid: I didn't ask "when"
[01:01] <matt_> which io scheduler do you think is best for desktop use box.. I am using anticipatory and my desktop gets choppy when i do CDROM I/O .. i was thinking cbq might help this problem
[01:01] <g23> OK I run Debian Sarge on my laptop and use fluxbox... and the CLI  saw that Ubuntu uses Gnome.... Might try Ubuntu
[01:02] <hybrid> ooo
[01:02] <StinkingPig> yeah, doesn't look like anything 2.6-based is likely to work on the C400 due to the new devfs/hotplug stuff. https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1763
[01:02] <hybrid> good god i am having an off day
[01:02] <hybrid> *deep sigh*
[01:02] <jordanau> i want to get rid of totem, it tells me that ubuntu-desktop will be removed, is that bad, what should i do?
[01:03] <LinuxJones> jordanau, don't worry about it
[01:03] <tritium> hybrid, I think you should expect to see breezy repos next
[01:03] <delire> Marble2: how did you get on
[01:03] <yfir> jordanau: 'ubuntu-desktop' is a dummy package that ensures you have all of the standard ubuntu packages. removing it is OK if you don't want all the standard packages
[01:04] <jordanau> thanks totem is just in the way
[01:04] <hybrid> tritium : so when will i be able to use grumpy?
[01:04] <randabis> StinkingPig: ubuntu uses udev, not devfs
[01:04] <tritium> hybrid, I've not seen anything on it yet
[01:04] <randabis> devfs is crap, no modern distro uses it :p
[01:04] <tritium> hybrid, try the ubuntu-devel mailing lists
[01:05] <delire> anyone know whether Ubuntu/Gnome comes with a wifi access-point browser? if not i just wrote one that may be useful to throw into the pool.
[01:05] <hybrid> ok
[01:05] <StinkingPig> randabis: well, whatever it's using, it's unable to detect IDE hard drives
[01:05] <kdp> hybrid: i dont think its grumpy, its breezy badger
[01:05] <randabis> StinkingPig: uh, not true. It detects IDE drives just fine
[01:05] <tritium> StinkingPig, my C840 works well.
[01:06] <LinuxJones> delire, you have a link with some screenshots ?
[01:06] <StinkingPig> Anyone with a C400?
[01:06] <hybrid> kdp yes but grumpy is suppose to be like sid.
[01:06] <delire> LinuxJones: it's console only atm, though i can easily write an interface if it's going to be useful to a broader DE project.
[01:06] <randabis> kdp: he wants an unstable branch, not a testing branch
[01:06] <yfir> i'm thinking of trying xfce out. anyone had any problems with it w/ ubuntu?
[01:06] <delire> .. in say gtk or qt
[01:06] <LinuxJones> delire, that's cool you should mention it to the devs
[01:07] <hybrid> always named grumpy. like randabis said warty = woody hoary = sarge and grumpy = si
[01:07] <LinuxJones> delire, Python baby
[01:07] <StinkingPig> haven't used it with ubuntu, but XFce4 rocks
[01:07] <delire> LinuxJones: do you run Ubuntu on the laptop?
[01:07] <StinkingPig> best DE around by a long shot
[01:07] <delire> LinuxJones: how did you know ;)
[01:07] <yfir> Stinking: yeah, Xfce looks great
[01:07] <neighborlee> hi all..can someone help me with using 'ftp' at console..'put /home/neighborlee/mail.tgz' isn't working ie: no such file or DIR>.yet I KNOW the file is there and in that DIR..????
[01:07] <LinuxJones> delire, I am too poor for something so exotic as a laptop :)
[01:07] <randabis> hybrid: yes, but soon hoary = woody
[01:07] <sr> plop
[01:07] <delire> LinuxJones: :|
[01:07] <tritium> randabis, is hybrid's idea your understanding of grumpy plans as well?
[01:08] <randabis> warty would be...potato maybe?
[01:08] <Blissex> hi, I have been looking at Ubuntu.com and while it discusses what is the _distribution_ it does not say much about Ubuntu the _organization_, like who is the CEO, who is on the board, if one can download somewhere its financial accounts, if it is for-profit or non-profit... I would like to know more, where is such information?
[01:08] <hybrid> randabis yes like friday hoary = woody breezy = sarge and warty = potato [i think] 
[01:08] <delire> not dissimilar i guess, though several versions apart (where repo's are concerned)
[01:08] <randabis> tritium: that's what I've heard, I don't know for sure
[01:08] <tritium> randabis, heard from whom?  developers?
[01:08] <sr> is hoary frozn now ?
[01:08] <sr> frozen
[01:09] <LinuxJones> sr, for some reason no
[01:09] <randabis> tritium: yeah, some devs here talking about it and on ubuntu-devel
[01:09] <yfir> sr: probably April 8th
[01:09] <sr> ho ok
[01:09] <neighborlee> never mind I got it
[01:09] <sr> 'm gonna wait for a while then :)
[01:09] <tritium> randabis, thanks
[01:09] <randabis> final freeze is april 8th
[01:09] <drbombay43> can anyone tell me the command for starting and stopping services like iptables?
[01:09] <neighborlee> is the 'local' DIR the only directory or 'file' I need to make sure I dont lose my  evolution email ?
[01:09] <sr> iptables isnt a service
[01:10] <g23> iptables -F to clear them
[01:10] <randabis> tritium: of course, the wiki just says it will be a feature version, but not the next after hoary so go figure
[01:10] <g23> That flushes all the tables
[01:10] <neighborlee> StinkingPig: so your sure that 'local' is all I need to backup right ?
[01:10] <randabis> tritium: in all honesty I don't think anything has been finalized
[01:10] <tritium> randabis, that's what I thought
[01:10] <drbombay43> does the sh command for uploading new rules
[01:11] <drbombay43> does the sh command work for uploading new rules
[01:11] <StinkingPig> local has your mailboxes -- if you've got space, take the whole .evolution directory and that'll pick up most settings too
[01:11] <kingsley> What's a good way to automatically and incrementally backup a windows partition?
[01:11] <saber> kingsley: dar
[01:11] <Arnia> Hmm... relating to previous discussions about releases... I don't see the debian and ubuntu meanings of 'stable' and 'unstable' and 'testing' to be the same
[01:11] <Arnia> kingsley: rdiff-backup
[01:11] <g23> drbombay43: do you mean link in a script?
[01:11] <neighborlee> StinkingPig: k thx
[01:12] <delire> neighborlee: a far better way of copying data to a remote machine is 'secure copy': 'scp -r folder/ me@mywebsite.com:public_html/path'
[01:12] <JaZy84> does ubuntu come with sshd?
[01:12] <JaZy84> or do i have to apt-get install sshd
[01:12] <delire> i don't think so
[01:12] <kdp> JaZy84: its comes w/ssh, not sshd
[01:12] <kdp> so you have to get that from synaptic/apt
[01:12] <kingsley> Arnia: Interesting. I already use rdiff-backup. Have you actually run it under linux to mirror and incrementally backup a windows partition?
[01:12] <JaZy84> does it come with a vnc server?
[01:13] <delire> JaZy84: you need to install openssh-server to run sshd
[01:13] <randabis> Arnia: they aren't the same, due to the nature of the release cycles
[01:13] <delire> kingsley: system-imager is another good backup tool, client-server albeit.
[01:13] <drbombay43> in fedora you can create a file and with "sh  <file name> load it to iptables
[01:13] <randabis> One can draw loose paralells between ubuntu and debian releases however
[01:13] <JaZy84> thanks delire i'll install that after the upgrades are finished.
[01:13] <delire> sure
[01:14] <Arnia> kingsley: Once, a while back. It worked pretty well IIRC. YMMV though
[01:14] <JaZy84> delire do you know what i need to get vnc server going on it?
[01:14] <LinuxJones> delire, system imager rocks
[01:14] <delire> no idea, it's been years since i've used vnc
[01:14] <hybrid> randabis true warty=woody then hoary=woody then breezy prolly will end up =woody
[01:15] <delire> LinuxJones: truly.. and perfect for enterprise application IMHO
[01:15] <g23> drbombay43: that looks like a scrpt.  you can also make the first line
[01:15] <g23> !#/bin/sh
[01:15] <g23> and make it executable
[01:15] <hybrid> randabis ubuntu has a six month cycle debian has a six year cycle
[01:15] <StinkingPig> k, i give -- will try ubuntu some other time or on some other hardware
[01:15] <StinkingPig> cya
[01:15] <Arnia> randabis: I think it might be better just to say "Ubuntu releases a new version of its operating system every 6 months"... its too easy to get tangled up into knots over terminology
[01:15] <LinuxJones> delire, hell yeah you can roll-out or update thousands of machines with 1 command :D
[01:16] <delire> LinuxJones: exciting thought isn't it ;)
[01:16] <Arnia> Blissex: www.canonical.com may be some help
[01:16] <drbombay43> g23: i think you went over my head
[01:16] <tritium> JaZy84, did you get an answer regarding a vnc server?  It comes with "vino".
[01:16] <LinuxJones> delire, only true geeks get excited about such things ;)
[01:16] <delire> ;/
[01:16] <Blissex> Arnia: that site says nothing...
[01:16] <JaZy84> vino. how can i run it?
[01:17] <Arnia> Blissex: Well, if you're really interested in getting the information, phone up the Government of the Isle of Man and ask for the records.
[01:17] <calc> hybrid: it seems debian release cycle just grows by 1yr each new release ;)
[01:17] <hybrid> randabis and tritium : this is where i got the whole grumpy ordeal http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20858&highlight=grumpy
[01:17] <Blissex> Arnia: seems like these guys dont like publicity :-)
[01:17] <Arnia> Blissex: One moment and I'll see how corporate governance is handled in the IoM
[01:17] <hybrid> calc i am telling you lol
[01:17] <Blissex> Arnia: dont worry I can find out...
[01:17] <calc> debian has had around 6 releases in the past 7 years though
[01:18] <IRCMark> hi
[01:18] <calc> used to release a lot more often
[01:18] <Arnia> hybrid: I thought grumpy was the 'unofficial' name for any release under development
[01:18] <Arnia> Blissex: Why are you looking for this information btw?
[01:18] <drbombay43> okay , how can I find the current iptables rule file or config?
[01:18] <hybrid> Arnia what i understood grumpy was the name for everything not stable or testing
[01:18] <IRCMark> can you explain me what RELEASE CANDIDATE for ubuntu 5.04 means?
[01:18] <Blissex> Arnia: just to figure out how long they going to last...
[01:19] <g23> drbombay43: Ok ... you can go to the Linux documentation project and read about shell scripting.... Im fairly new to linux but have learned thing here and there.  that sounds like  a shell script   www.tldp.org
[01:19] <hybrid> Arnia so yes pretty much
[01:19] <calc> eh so grumpy is an unstable branch that isn't publically available?
[01:19] <tritium> hybrid, the only thing I'd trust for sure is that daniels said that breezy is the next release.  I don't know if we can trust the other comments regarding grumpy.
[01:19] <hybrid> ok
[01:19] <kingsley> Which partition will be closer to a disk drive's spindle: hda1 or hda2?
[01:19] <g23> drbombay43: you can do man iptables and find all you want... also Oreilly has a book on it.
[01:20] <IRCMark> hi guys, can you explain me what RELEASE CANDIDATE for ubuntu 5.04 means?
[01:20] <calc> grumpy is still in the wiki but is noted not to be the next release
[01:20] <Arnia> hybrid: My idea is that the next release is Breezy Badger... but its a grumpy badger until its finished ;)
[01:20] <calc> IRCMark: it is near the release version that will be coming out on Wed
[01:20] <Kirsch> IRCMark: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Release_Candidate
[01:20] <IRCMark> thank you
[01:20] <Arnia> http://www.gov.im/ -- What's new section, top link
[01:20] <IRCMark> very much
[01:21] <hybrid> Arnia yea sounds about right then the next release would br grumpy animal_name
[01:21] <carlo> decss?
[01:21] <hampus> hi
[01:21] <drbombay43> right now I would like to backup the current iptables file before adding new rules
[01:22] <drbombay43> it's just not located where I thought it would be
[01:22] <Kirsch> What is the next distro name for Ubuntu 5.10?
[01:22] <Derec> +
[01:23] <calc> breezy badger
[01:23] <Arnia> I like the idea of a grumpy badger... I know some grumpy badgers already. I would be grumpy if I were being hacked around all day and night for six months
[01:23] <g23> drbombay43: Not quite sure how to do that... like I said I am new.  Maybe someone else here would know.
[01:23] <calc> Kirsch: its noted on the wiki btw
[01:23] <randabis> lol that's great Arnia :p
[01:24] <Kirsch> oh i found it :-P
[01:24] <JaZy84> i installed openssh-server
[01:24] <JaZy84> now how do i run it
[01:24] <drbombay43> g23: I am new just like you, But thanks for the help
[01:24] <calc> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreezyBadger
[01:24] <hybrid> thanks calc
[01:24] <Kirsch> Is anyone here in the maitenance team? I want to contribute DEB files to be available in the repositories...
[01:25] <tritium> JaZy84, for vino, see System->Preferences->Remote Desktop
[01:25] <hybrid> what is beagle?
[01:25] <tritium> Kirsch, join us in #ubuntu-motu
[01:25] <Arnia> Blissex: Well... they're heavily involved in lots of OSS projects around the world. Mark Shuttleworth appears to be using the venture as a sort of charity for those things he feels strongly about
[01:25] <Arnia> hybrid: Live-updating metadata search tool using a lucene index
[01:25] <Blissex> Arnia: yes, but eventually even he might tire of feeling strongly about that...
[01:25] <Arnia> hybrid: Well... search system, not a specific tool
[01:26] <linuzo> How do I get a mp3 to play on ubuntu
[01:26] <hybrid> ok
[01:26] <linuzo> says no decompressor
[01:26] <Arnia> Blissex: I don't think his beliefs are to do with OSS per se. I think OSS is merely a tool he's using.
[01:26] <JaZy84> hrm
[01:26] <JaZy84> never mind
[01:26] <JaZy84> i think i got it
[01:27] <Marble2> delire: you here?
[01:27] <Arnia> hybrid: Its effectively a very clever indexer system and a DBUS API with a nice search accessory included as an example of use
[01:27] <linuzo> hybrid I got ubuntu now but how do I get my mp3's working
[01:27] <calc> that is why its important to try to make the work done as general as possible so everyone can benefit
[01:27] <kdp> is there some new encryption technology or something that prevents screenshots from dvds?
[01:27] <Blissex> Arnia: you see the issue here is that with Debian and SPI one knows exactly what's going on, and one can make informed guesses as to their resilience as an organization... With Ubuntu and Canonical the organization behind the distribution is a mystery, and just about the only known thing is that it is one guy's project...
[01:28] <JaZy84> i was using the wrong ip. heh
[01:28] <hybrid> linuzo well you need a media player that plays them
[01:28] <linuzo> err
[01:28] <Blissex> Arnia: then the difference is that Debian/SPI are poor and fractious, and Ubuntu/Canonical seem to be less poor and fairly cohesive, but who knows?
[01:28] <hybrid> randabis tritium correct me if i am wrong but i believe xmms plays mp3s or have a plug in for them
[01:29] <linuzo> so then  sudo apt-get install xmms should do the trick right?
[01:29] <hybrid> or mplayer
[01:29] <Blissex> Arnia: distributions come and go all the time, what I wonder is how resilient is the organization behind it.
[01:29] <hybrid> h/o let me see if xmms supports mp3
[01:29] <kdp> i cant get a correct screenshot from a particular dvd, although it worked on another
[01:29] <tritium> hybrid, it used to when I used it, but I haven't used it in quite some time
[01:29] <skraaningsulv> hey, i try do deinstall gnome-games-data and get the message that ubuntu-desktop will be removed. is that ok?
[01:30] <kingsley> Is a hard disk drive's cylinder number 0 close to its spindle or its outer edge?
[01:30] <LinuxJones> linuzo,  to play mp3's you need gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:30] <hybrid> linuzo then yes xmms prolly supports mp3 and apt-get install xmms
[01:31] <Arnia> Blissex: If Canonical did stop funding, I feel Ubuntu would carry on. The Gnome team seem to be viewing it as a great test of their ideas of usability when they're strung through the whole system. If it were to fold *shrugs*, I'll move with a heavy heart. But that's life and nothing lasts forever.
[01:31] <Arnia> Blissex: The most important thing to note is which projects Canonical is funding... there you see the edges of a business model
[01:31] <Kirsch> does anyone here know about info about the Luminocity proj?
[01:31] <calc> kingsley: 0 tends to be the faster part of the drive
[01:32] <Anubis> gaim stopped appearing in the notification area
[01:32] <isai> what are computer reqs. for ubuntu?
[01:32] <hybrid> linuzo how do you like ubuntu?
[01:32] <LinuxJones> Arnia, Ubuntu is going to be one of the most popular Linux distros around for many years to come :)
[01:32] <Blissex> Arnia: yes, I understand that attitude. The issue however is that for all their faults Debian/SPI is fairly transparent (perhaps excessively gossipy :->) and one can make informed guesses, Ubuntu/Canonical sort of like ''just happens'' :-)
[01:32] <calc> isai: depends on what apps you want to run on it
[01:33] <calc> isai: and how fast you want it to be ;)
[01:33] <hybrid> isai 32 mb ram 350mb hdd for minimal 1.8 gb for standard
[01:33] <Arnia> LinuxJones: and I hope it is... I'm just being a sensible planner and seeking ways to profit from every situation ;)
[01:33] <calc> for decent speed for the desktop version probably 500mhz+ with 256mb ram
[01:33] <Arnia> Blissex: If they're tendering for contracts, that will explain their secrecy
[01:33] <hybrid> randabis you were right the grumpy repos are not up
[01:33] <hybrid> you were right
[01:33] <isai> I have a PII 350Mhz, 96mb ram, & 9gb. Just want it as a normal desktop (web surfing).
[01:33] <umarmung> Anyone here running latest hoary that lost the ability to use nautilus shortcuts on an empty/focused desktop (e.g. ctrl+l, ctrl+r)?
[01:33] <Arnia> Blissex: Otherwise, the developers themselves aren't hidden
[01:34] <JaZy84> can i use apt-get for another window manager
[01:34] <JaZy84> like xfce
[01:34] <JaZy84> or kde
[01:34] <kingsley> calc: Do you happen to know if the first partition normally includes lower numbered cylinders?
[01:34] <JaZy84> ?
[01:34] <hybrid> isai then you ought to be pretty good
[01:34] <linuzo> hybrid what mp3 player you use on ubuntu?
[01:34] <LinuxJones> Arnia, lots of cool stuff is going to happen in the next year or so.
[01:34] <linuzo> cause xmms won;'t work
[01:34] <Arnia> Interesting... Canonical used to be called "M R S VIRTUAL DEVELOPMENT LIMITED"
[01:34] <calc> kingsley: when you partition a drive typically they start at pcylinder 0
[01:34] <isai> I understand gnome 2.10 is standard, is that still okay, or should I switch to xfce?
[01:34] <Arnia> LinuxJones: I know... I'm working on some pretty cool stuff myself
[01:35] <hybrid> linuzo i dont do any multi media on my ubuntu box
[01:35] <linuzo> WHAT!
[01:35] <kingsley> calc: OK, thanks.
[01:35] <hybrid> lol
[01:35] <Arnia> LinuxJones: And if I can be working on cool stuff, loads others will be working on amazing stuff
[01:35] <LinuxJones> Arnia, yeah me too :)
[01:35] <calc> isai: that might be a bit heavy for a 350/96mb yea
[01:35] <linuzo> anyone know what mp3 playrs works the best with ubuntu
[01:35] <maddler> Hello World!
[01:35] <Absenth> afternoon all
[01:35] <maddler> :)
[01:35] <isai> is kde faster?
[01:35] <hybrid> linuzo i do other thing more important like code and work on my site
[01:35] <maddler> linuzo... under X or console?
[01:35] <calc> linuzo: totem works nicely
[01:36] <hybrid> linuzo xmms is good
[01:36] <LinuxJones> isai, kde is probably more responsive then Gnome yeah
[01:36] <calc> isai: probably about the same for either
[01:36] <Absenth> I'm sure this has been covered before, so if there's a site you can refer me to that'd be great.
[01:36] <maddler> linuzo: I vote for amarok :)
[01:36] <isai> is kde included in the 1 CD installer?
[01:36] <Absenth> The login screen.  how do I change that awful picture out, and put something more civil in it's place?
[01:36] <calc> perhaps more responsive in that slow as a turtle as opposed as slow as molasses ;)
[01:36] <linuzo> ok thanks guys
[01:36] <hybrid> linuzo try www.xmms.org
[01:36] <maddler> isai... nope... afaik
[01:36] <linuzo> xmms isn't workin
[01:36] <tritium> linuzo, rhythmbox is nice too.  It's all personal preference.
[01:36] <linuzo> it just freese up
[01:36] <maddler> linuzo... give amarok a try...
[01:37] <calc> isai: its on the kubuntu cd 
[01:37] <Absenth> IceWM all the way :)
[01:37] <isai> is xfce in the 1 CD installer?
[01:37] <linuzo> yeah rythmbox says no decompresser for mp3
[01:37] <yfir> linuzo: if you want something small and clean that mixes straight audiofile playing and itunes-like music manager, try Zinf
[01:37] <LinuxJones> isai, no
[01:37] <calc> linuzo: install gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:37] <JaZy84> xfce is nice
[01:37] <JaZy84> i thi8nk
[01:37] <LinuxJones> isai, it's a fairlu small download if your on dialup
[01:37] <LinuxJones> *fairly
[01:38] <Anubis> gaim stopped appearing in the notification area
[01:38] <yfir> xmms-mplayer often freeze on my box too...
[01:38] <Arnia> Gnome and KDE aren't that different... and it really depends on your particular hardware which one is slower. I use Gnome because I don't need processor speed as much as I need human speed. I need the ability to work quickly within myself without the computer getting in the way
[01:38] <Absenth> Warty, on a P2 233, with 256mb of ram.  Gnome is unusable.  XFCE is alright, as long as you use dillo for most your web browsing.
[01:38] <Zugot> what are you guys using to burn cds?
[01:38] <Zugot> ?
[01:38] <Absenth> Zugot, cdrecord
[01:39] <kent> Zugot, graveman
[01:39] <hybrid> Arnia : I use gnome because KDE reminds me of *shutter* windows :P
[01:39] <LinuxJones> Zugot, graveman and gnomebaker
[01:39] <kent> Zugot, graveman is a Gnome application. It looks nice and works.
[01:39] <tritium> Zugot, I agree ^^^
[01:39] <hybrid> kent is graveman in apt?
[01:39] <Arnia> hybrid: KDE doesn't remind me of windows. Windows is more usable than that ;)
[01:39] <Absenth> can anyone point me the right direction to get rid of that awful new login window image of the dudes having a circle jerk?
[01:39] <yfir> Zugot: grip as frontend to cdparanoia/cdrecord
[01:39] <isai> I have gnome 2.2 on it now (with Mandrake 9.x). Will I notice a speed difference?
[01:39] <hybrid> Arnia rofl
[01:39] <kent> hybrid, if you run Hoary then yes it is.
[01:39] <hybrid> ok
[01:39] <tritium> hybrid, apt-cache search graveman to find out
[01:40] <Arnia> Absenth: System > Administration > Login Manager (from Gnome)
[01:40] <Arnia> isai: 2.2?!
[01:40] <Absenth> Arnia, FANTASTIC, thank you.
[01:40] <hybrid> man alot of buzz in here today
[01:40] <kent> Absenth, but it will disapear soon i guess, since it was a 1 April joke.
[01:40] <tritium> hybrid, apt-cache policy graveman shows that it's in hoary universe
[01:40] <hybrid> i guess people are getting excited over hoary
[01:40] <yfir> you mean grumpy :)
[01:40] <hybrid> tritium hmm
[01:40] <isai> yup...
[01:40] <hybrid> yfir lol
[01:41] <Arnia> Its a grumpy hedgehog
[01:41] <yfir> 'grumpy groundhog' wasn't the best name to choose, however...
[01:41] <hybrid> Arnia lol
[01:41] <tritium> code names, excitement...an ubuntite craves not these things
[01:41] <Absenth> kent, that makes some sense.  I wasn't real fond of the brown anyway, so this is better.
[01:42] <empe> how can i find out what device my usb drive is?
[01:42] <hybrid> tritium do what?
[01:42] <tritium> hybrid, regarding graveman?
[01:42] <hybrid> no the whole codename ubuntite thing
[01:43] <isai> is gnome 2.10 faster than 2.2? right now 2.2 is very slow.
[01:43] <Absenth> Does anyone know of gnome login theme sites?
[01:43] <tritium> nothing, just joking.  It doesn't much matter to me, the whole codename thing
[01:43] <Arnia> isai: Ok... I'm not sure if you'll notice a speed increase or decrease actually (it got slower, then it got faster again thanks to GTk profiling)
[01:43] <hybrid> oo lol
[01:43] <Arnia> isai: You will notice how beautiful it is
[01:43] <LinuxJones> Absenth, art.gnome.org
[01:43] <Arnia> isai: How usable it is
[01:44] <Arnia> isai: How completely doesn't-get-in-your-way-does-the-right-thing-without-fiddling-constantly-with-incomprehensible-settings *deep breath* it is
[01:44] <yfir> Absenth: http://www.gnome-look.org/ ? or you after something more obscure?
[01:44] <hybrid> tritium too bad we cant do like debian and take it off a movie. like the matrix or hitchhikers guide to the galaxy :P
[01:44] <Absenth> art.gnome.org has a whole lot of nothing, I assume because they just revamped the site.
[01:44] <isai> Beautiful is nice, but I guess the only way to find out about speed it to try it.
[01:44] <Absenth> yfir, I dunno yet.  that looks promising.
[01:45] <yfir> isai: gnome isn't the best choice if speed is your main concern
[01:45] <Blissex> hybrid: I just cannot stand slacker-gen-X ''funny'' names they be he Debian or the Ubuntu ones.
[01:45] <Arnia> isai: You'll probably have a bit of expectation sheer for a couple of hours of use...
[01:45] <hybrid> Blissex : why is that
[01:45] <Blissex> hybrid: waht about ''edition 01'', ''edition 02'' and similarly boring but clear conventions?
[01:46] <hybrid> Blissex i am not gen x more like gen y
[01:46] <dts> is there a set of scriptable tools to manage public key authentication
[01:46] <Arnia> Blissex: Does using the names of deities and occultists for your servers count as 'funny' names?
[01:46] <Absenth> yfir, I assume I'm looking for "gdm" themes for the login page?
[01:46] <yfir> absenth: yep
[01:46] <robodex> hey... how do I burn an ISO from the console?
[01:46] <Blissex> hybrid: your own words damn you :-)
[01:46] <Arnia> isai: But the expectation sheer is worthwhile
[01:46] <robodex> cdrecord won't work :\
[01:46] <hybrid> Blissex : lol
[01:46] <isai> I am about to download it right now, which is better for a slow system: warty or hoary?
[01:46] <hybrid> Blissex : i am prolly the youngest in here :P
[01:47] <Arnia> isai: Hoary has the faster GTk... it also is the most profiled
[01:47] <yfir> isai: hoary probably
[01:47] <Arnia> isai: So I'd say hoary
[01:47] <lok> woody
[01:47] <hybrid> lol
[01:47] <Blissex> Arnia: thats a completely different story -- there is no ordering of servers etc.
[01:47] <lok> ups sorry :)
[01:47] <Arnia> Faster boot sequence too...
[01:47] <hybrid> lok : nice one:P
[01:47] <Blissex> Arnia: servers are unique things, so proper names are right for them.
[01:48] <Arnia> Blissex: Code names are useful because they're more memorable
[01:48] <Blissex> Arnia: but editions, versions and releases are ordered (often partially ordered :->)
[01:48] <Blissex> Arnia: bah!
[01:48] <Blissex> Arnia: more memorable to people with a low sense of humour :-)
[01:48] <hybrid> Blissex and Arnia : I like the Ubuntu numbering 5.04 4.10 thats cool and fun
[01:48] <robodex> anyone know how to burn from the console?
[01:48] <Arnia> Blissex: It makes confusion over what is being referred to (was that 2.13 or 2.12 I meant?) much less
[01:49] <Blissex> hybrid: yes, that numbering is OK, and should be just like that.
[01:49] <robodex> I had a problem earlier with what I thought was just kde but it's x in general, so I figure I'll just reinstall everything but I wanna try kubuntu...
[01:49] <Arnia> Blissex: We codename our development using obscure song lyrics... so they often have a natural order too
[01:49] <Arnia> We can sing our development process ;)
[01:49] <hybrid> Blissex : then reffer to the numbering no1 says you have to call it hoary anywhere but your repos most of us know what 4.10 and 5.04 is
[01:49] <Blissex> Arnia: an unnatural order you mean :-)
[01:50] <hybrid> Blissex : hoary is easier to put in the repos then 5.04
[01:50] <lok> what will be the next name of the unstable ubuntu
[01:50] <Arnia> Blissex: If you call me a 'gen-x-slacker' or whathave you I'll be mightily unimpressed considering I'm a rather conservative Briton :)
[01:50] <hybrid> lok : brumpy
[01:50] <Arnia> (ok, we're not the most conservative of nations, but we didn't buy into the whole 'gen x' thing)
[01:51] <hybrid> lol
[01:51] <yfir> robodex: look for info on mkisofs
[01:51] <lok> brumpy or grumpy ?
[01:51] <hybrid> Arnia conservative briton is an oxymoron :P
[01:51] <yfir> robodex: or use cdrecord
[01:51] <hybrid> lok : brumpy is breezy + grumpy
[01:51] <Blissex> Arnia: british gen X slacker are particularly annoying, especially if with an Oxbridge degree...
[01:51] <isai> forgot to ask, does ubuntu handle wireless nics well? I have a pci wireless b card installed, mandrake works fine with it (no configuration).
[01:51] <JaZy84> hey guys when trying to install xfce i was getting an error about gtk can i just download the source and install
[01:51] <lok> breezy ?
[01:52] <JaZy84> becasue i'm looking in apt-get and it seems not to have that pkg
[01:52] <hybrid> breezy is next
[01:52] <robodex> yfir: cdrecord gives me grief when trying to use it, tells me it can't find /dev/ps* (I'm assuming since 2.6 kernel doesn't have SCSI emulation)
[01:52] <hybrid> isai wireless is mainly in the kernal i believe
[01:52] <lok> and what perky will use to be ?
[01:52] <isai> Does the installer set it up by default?
[01:53] <JaZy84> the installer i think gives you an option of what type it does.
[01:53] <Arnia> Blissex: And I'm a workaholic too :p And I don't have an oxbridge degree. I hate Oxford and dislike Cambridge and so went to Durham which I love more than anywhere on earth
[01:53] <JaZy84> atleast it does in gnomre
[01:53] <JaZy84> gnome*
[01:54] <Blissex> Arnia: thats more respectable... But note that ''slacker'' as in ''gen X'' is not about avoiding work, many gen-X slackers are maniacal about work, its just they try to do it as shoddily as possible, especially if they have Oxbridge degrees...
[01:54] <Arnia> Blissex: I'm a perfectionist too
[01:54] <Arnia> Does that help?
[01:55] <Blissex> Arnia: sometimes :-)
[01:55] <Mestapheles>  /quit
[01:55] <hybrid> Arnia lol
[01:55] <lok> wtf is gen x ?
[01:55] <yfir> lok: a marketing ploy used in the mid 90s
[01:55] <lok> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
[01:56] <Arnia> Blissex: I have a personal dislike of Oxford because of my locality (they're the rival town to mine) and of Cambridge because its flat (I grew up in hills so I can't stand having a horizon)
[01:56] <hybrid> lol
[01:57] <hybrid> Arnia Blissex are you 2 married because it sounds like it ;)
[01:57] <Blissex> Arnia: those are petty reasons... You should dislike Oxbridge because it is a rotten system...
[01:57] <Arnia> Blissex: Nah, I have no objection to nepotism ;)
[01:59] <lok> Arnia, I grew up in mountains and live nowadays near the sea .. your hill's scuse isn't very researched
[02:00] <Blissex> lok: ''generation X'' is more of a ''cultural'' term, to indicate the ''grunge'' generation, those that first were Starbucks baristas, then visionary creative directors of dot com startups, then Starbucks baristas again :-)
[02:01] <yfir> Blissex & lok: no, no - it was a classic marketing strategy: identify(manufacture) a social group so you can sell things to people so they can indicate they belong to it
[02:01] <Arnia> lok: Uhh... I was talking from my personal perspective. I feel very uncomfortable in flat landscapes. It wasn't an excuse, it was the actual reason I didn't apply to Cambridge
[02:01] <Arnia> Oxford have to be hated though... its Oxford in Oxfordshire therefore wrong :) I'm a chairboy from High Wycombe in Buckinghamshire so I feel strongly about such things ;)
[02:01] <Blissex> yfir: it is a lot more than that -- there are definite ''generational'' profiles. Let me find a reference to an important book on the subkect....
[02:02] <Blissex> Arnia: if you had been a choirboy from Oxford you would have felt about some things most strongly too :-)
[02:02] <yfir> Blissex: don't bother, I'm just screwing around and this isn't the appropriate channel for it anyway
[02:02] <LinuxJones> Guys this is a Ubuntu support channel please join another channel for random banter :)
[02:03] <Blissex> LinuxJones: there is no other traffic, and in any case ''generation X slacker'' and GNOME are very related concepts...
[02:03] <lok> I learn a lot on the gen X term :)
[02:03] <Arnia> Blissex: Quick question... where did/do you go to uni?
[02:04] <skreet> Can someone do me a favor and try to connect via FTP to k-cubed.net
[02:04] <Blissex> Arnia: depends, most recently to UW Aberystwyth.
[02:04] <skreet> I'm having a buddy whos having issues saying SmartFTP is resolving it as 192.168.0,6 -- my local address, and I dont understand why..
[02:04] <LinuxJones> Blissex, your co-operation would be greatly appreciated
[02:04] <lok> skreet, I can't connect it
[02:04] <skreet> lok, Refused?
[02:05] <lok> skreet, no I can't connect but I haven't a error message
[02:05] <skreet> lok, What message?
[02:05] <ch|maera> i'm trying to use ubuntu's gnome2.10 pakages under debian but somehow they screw up my kde-menu. if i remove gnome again, everything works fine again.any ideas?
[02:05] <lok> but a host on your k-cubed.net give your adress
[02:05] <amittp> Hi, I am installed ubuntu, but I am not used to sudo, can I have a root user and use su?
[02:06] <amittp> If yes, what steps are necessary?
[02:06] <lok> skreet, I don't have one
[02:06] <Arnia> Ah, my brother goes to UW Bangor
[02:06] <skreet> lok, Dont have one what?
[02:06] <lok> amittp, sudo passwd and make it one
[02:06] <chimaera> amblin: asign a pwd to the root account
[02:06] <JazyLNX> can someone help me with an error i'm getting when trying to install something
[02:06] <JazyLNX> i'll post it in .#flood
[02:06] <amittp> lok, thats all?
[02:06] <lok> skreet, I don't have any error message with the ftp connection
[02:06] <lok> amittp, that's all
[02:06] <skreet> so you can connect?
[02:07] <chimaera> JazyLNX: just ask..
[02:07] <lok> no I can't
[02:07] <skreet> Why not?
[02:07] <JazyLNX> it's a couple lines
[02:07] <Riddell> chimaera: that'll be the clash in applications.menu
[02:07] <amittp> oh! :), btw, I didnot understand benefits of using sudo and not making root at all
[02:07] <lok> I don't know
[02:07] <JazyLNX> can i post here.
[02:07] <JazyLNX> i posted in flood
[02:07] <skreet> Theres either a message with an error or it works, theres no other options
[02:08] <lok> no
[02:08] <josue> hey guys, i have a bit of a serious problem.
[02:08] <usual> how can I get k3b to accept mp3's as valid files
[02:08] <Blissex> lok: I have found a couple of interesting URLs, if you want I can /msg them to you
[02:08] <josue> problems related to a dist-upgrade i just ran.
[02:08] <lok> Blissex, yes thanks
[02:08] <josue> anyone willing to help?
[02:09] <chimaera> Riddell: which would be in gnome-menu i guess.. i see.. i'll check into this. thanks.
[02:09] <lok> skreet, it's more like the adresse don't refuse or permit the connection
[02:09] <lok> the atempt return nothing
[02:09] <chimaera> why is everyone just asking meta-questions?
[02:09] <skreet> lok, Okay, Thanks.
[02:10] <osity> where do i see the groups available for users?
[02:10] <hybrid> anyone know of a good rss feeder ?
[02:10] <Vizc> Hi there, I've downloaded Adobe 7.0 and untarred it, how do I install it??
[02:10] <hybrid> *8reader
[02:10] <josue> chimaera: im just asking to see if anyone is willing to help. then i'll go ahead and ask whati need
[02:10] <delire> Vizc. there are instructions on the Adobe page ;)
[02:10] <delire> ISTR
[02:10] <chimaera> josue: it's common practice just to ask. itS' kind of stupid to ask if someone is willing to help in a channel which purpose is to help.
[02:11] <osity> whatss a meta question?
[02:11] <Vizc> Oh, ok, thanks i'll check'em out
[02:11] <chimaera> osity: ask to ask
[02:11] <osity> chimaera: can i ask you another question?     j/k
[02:12] <chimaera> osity: jepp, exactly. guesss you got it. ;)
[02:12] <osity> haha
[02:13] <hybrid> how hard would it be to right my own rss reader?
[02:13] <josue> right, ok then. Here's the deal, i ran a dist-upgrade today  (was in hoary couple months old), it downloaded almost all the packages, but failed in the end. I had to shut down my system afterwards since i had to go. came back, booted normally, and after the gdm login screen, nothing gets loaded (gnome doesnt start), so i goback to gdm, login to gnome failsafe, i see im now running gnome 2.10, everything seems kinda fine. so i run a dist-upgrade again, but i
[02:13] <josue> get the same error message.
[02:14] <georges> hey, any good bash programmer here?
[02:15] <Blissex> josue: many a tale of horror begins with ran a dist-upgrade today and was in hoary :-)
[02:15] <chimaera> josue: the exact error msg. will probably help. paste in on some no-paste service or in #flood..
[02:16] <lok> Blissex, I ran a dist-upgrade today to pass on hoary.....works fine ;)
[02:16] <Blissex> lok: some people are lucky... :-)
[02:16] <josue> it is an error with the gtk2-clearlooks package,
[02:16] <lok> georges, I'm not good but maybe I can help
[02:16] <skreet> So uh, how is the dist-upgrade, I was thinking baout doing it on this server, but I'm worried about it.
[02:16] <josue> hold on
[02:16] <lachoss> hi
[02:16] <josue> damn, failsafe gnome wont let me copy paste, i'll write it in #flood
[02:17] <georges> lok: I want do do: vi *... but only the last 10 files, so I do: vi $(ls -rt|tail -10)
[02:17] <georges> lok: but those filenames contain spaces!!!
[02:17] <JazyLNX> okay guys
[02:17] <georges> lok: so... it's not working.
[02:17] <Absenth> can anyone tell me what metacity is when looking at gtk theme kits?
[02:18] <JazyLNX> i get a 'Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic"
[02:18] <lachoss> whenever i try do apt-get install anything i get the error "short read in buffer_copy (files list for package `ttf-sazanami-gothic')". I tried then to install this package but it's already installed. I also tried to remove it but the same error message appeared. Any ideas on how to solve this? thanks!!
[02:18] <JazyLNX> child terminated with status 1
[02:18] <lok> for i in `ls -rt | tail -n 10` ; do vi $i ; done  ?
[02:18] <chimaera> Absenth: run xinit and compare..
[02:19] <chimaera> josue: same file in 2 packages. wait for ubuntu to fix it or installit manually with dpkg -i --force-overwrite /patch/to/package
[02:19] <lok> georges, does it works ?
[02:19] <georges> lok: yeah, and each time I will have to retype my search buffer.
[02:19] <josue> ok chimarea will try that.
[02:19] <georges> lok: I want ONE vi session, not 10
[02:20] <georges> lok: it's more complicated, let's say gimp instead of vi
[02:20] <georges> lok: and your script only works if you write: vi "$i"
[02:21] <lok> georges, how launch 2 file in 1 vi session   vi file1 file2 ? (I don't use it )
[02:21] <georges> lok: yes.
[02:21] <georges> lok: and with :n you edit the next file
[02:21] <crb> Hi.  Sorry for what seems like a easy question, but what is the 'easiest' way to install Java 1.5 on Hoary?  (I find 4 or 5 confliciting stories on the ubuntu wiki)
[02:21] <crb> I'd rather not build my own .deb from the .bin if I can avoid it
[02:22] <josue> chimaera: got 3 dependencie problems
[02:22] <Blissex> crb: ahhhh, you sound so naive and innocent...
[02:22] <chimaera> apt-get -f install ?
[02:22] <Arnia> oh... hope Gimp allows tool extensions written in python or .net soon
[02:22] <Arnia> I want to implement http://www.levien.com/gimp/wetdream.html
[02:22] <skreet> So what is the procedure for going from warty to hoary?
[02:22] <chimaera> josue: the above cmd..
[02:22] <crb> Blissex: What, for not wanting to build a deb?  I'm just lazy :)
[02:22] <josue> yea running it.
[02:22] <chimaera> skreet: if you ask this, you probably don't want to do it..
[02:22] <Blissex> crb: no, for expecting there to be an the 'easiest' way :-)
[02:23] <crb> I would like this answer to scale up to "can show people at an upcoming installfest"
[02:23] <Blissex> crb: however IIRC some shady characters have made available some ready-made .deb with 1.5
[02:23] <crb> so far there has been an easiest way to do everything else.  very impressed.
[02:23] <chimaera> skreet: exchange warty with hoary within your sources.list.
[02:23] <crb> Blissex: its not technically licensed to do so with the Sun JDK?
[02:23] <Jishi> hello everyone
[02:23] <josue> chimaera: looks like this is working, it's now installing a bunch of packages, probably the ones i got in the sist-upgrade but never finished configuring. :)
[02:23] <crb> I thought that was changing
[02:24] <Blissex> chimaera: skreet: the best way is to _add_ hoary sources, and then release-pin to 'hoary' in '/etc/apt/apt.conf'
[02:25] <lok> georges, and with a ls -rt1 | sed s/\n/" "/  ?
[02:25] <chimaera> Blissex: but use pinning? i don't know how the exact mechanisms for ubuntu work, but if i want to switch from anything to unstable in debian, i don't use any pinning. all the packages are in there anyway..
[02:25] <lok> georges, and with a ls -rt1 | tail -n 10 |sed s/\n/" "/  ?
[02:25] <crb> Blissex: OK, ket's go with "how would you do it"
[02:25] <crb> preferably without a 60mb download :/
[02:26] <skreet> And then apt-get dist-upgrade?
[02:26] <Blissex> crb: you can try 'apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5' :-)
[02:26] <crb> Heh, if only.  No such luck there.
[02:27] <Blissex> crb: problem is, have you already got the SDK somewhere? As downloaded from SUN?
[02:27] <crb> not at the moment
[02:27] <Jishi> I have a quick question.... I have all packages updated and... programs installed on kernel 2.6.10-4-386. If I update it to the 686 do I have to do the installs all over again?
[02:27] <Blissex> crb: then you have to do a largish download indeed.
[02:28] <Blissex> Jishi: no, the kernel and the apps are rather independent.
[02:28] <georges> lok: hmm... what about creating yourself a file with spaces. you will have a nize puzzle to work on.
[02:28] <Jishi> Blissex so its will be fine updating the kernel... Thank you...
[02:28] <georges> lok: yes, the sed trik does not work
[02:28] <Blissex> crb: what do you expect, to have the 1.5 Java stuff to fractally appear on your disk without being downlaoded?
[02:29] <Jishi> Blissex will I see performance increase on my centrino laptop?
[02:29] <Blissex> Jishi: yes, fairly modest.
[02:29] <crb> No, I expect to go 'apt-warez install java' and get it all working :)
[02:29] <crb> I'd also like to think it would be more along the lines of 20mb than 60mb
[02:29] <crb> but you Can't Always Get What You Want
[02:30] <Blissex> crb: you can get non-warez, official Java '.deb's from the Blackdown project, but only for 1.4
[02:30] <Blissex> crb: depends if you want just the runtime or the SDK as to the size...
[02:30] <Krys^> Can someone help me. I need to send a file from my laptop *windows* to my desktop *ubuntu*.. I'm not sure how
[02:30] <JazyLNX> hey i ran apt-get install xfce and i downloaded like version 3..
[02:31] <JazyLNX> why won't it download 4.2
[02:31] <Jishi> blissex sudo apt-get install linux-686 ; this command should do it right?
[02:31] <Blissex> Krys^: pigeons! Waving flags and a webcam! shouting and a voice recognition app!
[02:31] <Blissex> Jishi: uhmmm, better to be more specific.
[02:31] <Krys^> Blissex: umm, what?
[02:31] <crb> Good point, I hadn't noticed that was the SDK.
[02:31] <Blissex> Jishi: also, if you are somewhat inexperienced, use 'synaptic'.
[02:32] <Blissex> Krys^: you haven't said what physical medium of communication you are using...
[02:32] <JazyLNX> when i try to run synaptic i get error
[02:32] <JazyLNX> i get a 'Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic"
[02:32] <crb> Thanks Blissex.
[02:32] <JazyLNX> child terminated with status 1
[02:32] <Krys^> ahh..
[02:32] <Jishi> blissex just want to update the kernel instead of 386 to 686 any advice on a specific version.
[02:33] <Blissex> Jishi: try 'sudo synaptic'...
[02:33] <Blissex> Jishi: it will list all the versions available.
[02:33] <Blissex> Jishi: have you done it?
[02:34] <Jishi> yeah did that
[02:35] <LinuxJones> Krys^, how big is the file ?
[02:35] <Blissex> Jishi: wait a sec...
[02:35] <lachoss> i'm still trying to solve the problem with apt-get.. the message " "short read in buffer_copy (files list for package `ttf-sazanami-gothic')" keeps appearing whenever i try to install anything. i tried dpkg-reconfiguring this package, but although it doesn't give any errors, it doesn't solve the problem either.. any clues on how to proceed? thanks!!
[02:35] <Jishi> blissex okay
[02:35] <Krys^> LinuxJones: its an iso.. i think 700MB
[02:36] <Jishi> Blissex okay sure
[02:36] <LinuxJones> Krys^, you have a cd burner :)
[02:36] <Krys^> LinuxJones:  I've done it before, when I was running debian, but I haven't used linux all that much. It's just a command line thing, but I dont remember how..
[02:36] <Krys^> LinuxJones:  yes but I dont want to waste a cd..
[02:36] <linuzo> How come when I do sudo apt-get install mpg123 it tells me that it is referred to by another program but is not available
[02:36] <Blissex> Jishi: go to the 'Base' section on the left hand list
[02:37] <Blissex> Jishi: and scroll down until you see the 'linux-image' packages.
[02:37] <skreet> What port is SSH?
[02:37] <georges> 22
[02:37] <Jishi> 22
[02:37] <skreet> Thanks
[02:37] <Jishi> np
[02:37] <Blissex> skreet: 'grep ssh /etc/services'
[02:37] <LinuxJones> Krys^, Is it from windows to Ubuntu ?
[02:37] <dracflamloc> how can i get WineX (cedega) to run right in ubuntu? i get error 21 every time i try and run a game
[02:37] <Krys^> yup
[02:37] <georges> I was first. do I win something? :-)
[02:37] <Krys^> can I ssh and upload it?
[02:38] <LinuxJones> Krys^, well you can mess about with samba but it might be easier to just setup a ftp server on the windows box and get it that way
[02:38] <Blissex> Jishi: you seeing the list of all nice kernel versions?
[02:38] <Jishi> blissex went to "base systen" and i see them
[02:39] <Krys^> *sigh* i wish I knew how I did it before, because it was so simple.
[02:39] <linuzo> how do I change ym update content for apt-get?
[02:39] <skreet> How can I change the greeting peopel get when they log in via SSH?
[02:39] <Krys^> I had just connected with telnet, and then did something, lol, but I dont remember. My ex had showed me how but that was like 2 years ago, and I only did it that once.
[02:39] <Blissex> Jishi: then just choose one. The most reliable I think is 2.6.8.1, but 2.6.10 should work too. You can install both, compiled kernels are fairly small.
[02:40] <Blissex> Krys^: if your medium is something like a network, you can use Putty on MS Windows, which can connect to SSH on GNU Linux.
[02:40] <Krys^> what's the command to upload it tho Blissex ?
[02:40] <LinuxJones> Krys^, the price of a cd is not worth the bother of messing around  :)
[02:41] <Blissex> Krys^: you can use 'scp' from the command line, or there is some menu in the Putty GUI IIRC.
[02:41] <Krys^> LinuxJones:  its a simple command
[02:42] <linuzo> Does anyone know where I change the mirrors for apt-get
[02:42] <linuzo> I forget it I use to know
[02:42] <linuzo> lol
[02:42] <linuzo> having a mind blank
[02:42] <LinuxJones> linuzo, /etc/apt/sources.lst
[02:43] <Krys^> Blissex: how do I set up a ftp server on ubuntu?
[02:43] <Blissex> Jishi: if you can I can show you a nice little trick...
[02:43] <Blissex> Krys^: why FTP?
[02:43] <Krys^> then I can just ftp the thing
[02:43] <LinuxJones> Krys^, if the .iso is on windows you'll need to setup the server on the windows box
[02:43] <Blissex> Krys^: it is a bit lame :-). Just install 'vsftpd' for example and the config is pretty easy.
[02:44] <dracflamloc> anyone able to get cedega running in ubuntu?
[02:44] <skreet> dracflamloc, It runs fine.
[02:44] <trans_err> is there a mp4 gstreamer plugin?
[02:44] <skreet> download the .deb and dpkg -i <debfile>
[02:44] <Krys^> the command was something line 'send filename.extension' like it was simple..
[02:44] <dracflamloc> hm
[02:44] <dracflamloc> i did
[02:44] <dracflamloc> weird
[02:44] <skreet> What kind of problems are you having with it?
[02:45] <Jishi> blissex thank you
[02:45] <dracflamloc> i get error=21 evry time i try and launch a windows game
[02:45] <mjr> trans_err, gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg from universe
[02:45] <skreet> Are you video card drivers installed?
[02:45] <skreet> I'm not sure what error=21 means.
[02:45] <Blissex> Jishi: so do you want the trick?
[02:46] <Jishi> blissex what trick?
[02:46] <dracflamloc> skreet, yea i dunno. my vid drivers are installed i can play doom3 just fine
[02:46] <skreet> Hm
[02:46] <skreet> Thats odd
[02:46] <HappyPills> is there any channel for wine specific help on this server?
[02:46] <skreet> Couldn't tell ya, sorry :P
[02:46] <dracflamloc> k
[02:47] <regeya_> is there b0rkage of the gstreamer vorbis plugin in hoary?
[02:47] <josue> chimaera: thanks man, that finally worked, now everything's back to normal and im in rc.
[02:47] <Blissex> Jishi: especially with kernels it is useful to see exactly what it available, and a 'synaptic' search filter is the best way...
[02:47] <josue> btw people, how do i turn dma on?
[02:47] <Blissex> Jishi: got to 'Settings>Filters' and select 'Search Filter', the first choice.
[02:48] <LinuxJones> josue, hdparm
[02:48] <Jishi> blissex okay did that
[02:48] <chimaera> josue: np..
[02:49] <Blissex> Jishi: now in the right hand panel add two lines, both with 'Package Name Includes'
[02:49] <Blissex> Jishi: one with "686" as the string, and the other with "2.6."
[02:49] <Blissex> Jishi: the 'Boolean operator' should be 'AND'.
[02:50] <Blissex> Jishi: this creates a filter that will list only those packages with "686" and "2.6." in their name...
[02:50] <Blissex> Jishi: then tell me when you are done...
[02:50] <paul_> anybody know how i gain root privilidges to install a ap?
[02:50] <Jishi> blissex I still didn't update the kernel though do I do the trick after updating the kernel or I can do that now?
[02:51] <Blissex> paul_: yes.
[02:51] <Blissex> Jishi: now, to select the kernel.
[02:51] <paul_> or put a tar in the root
[02:51] <Jishi> blissex sorry 1 sec there is no right panel?
[02:51] <paul_> how
[02:51] <Jishi> blissex under what tab
[02:52] <Blissex> Jishi: 'Settings>Filters' and select 'Search Filter', the first choice.
[02:52] <paul_> blissex how do get root priveledges
[02:52] <Jishi> yeah it is slelected
[02:52] <Blissex> Jishi: menu 'Settings', submenu 'Filters'.
[02:52] <josue> Cheers LinuxJones
[02:52] <Blissex> paul_: 'sudo ....'
[02:52] <paul_> just type in sudo?
[02:52] <HappyPills> alrighty than, I've extracted the system and software files from my windows partition (registry files I think they are) and want to configure wine so it reads off them as well... I can't seem to figure out where to put the files and what to change in the config file though
[02:53] <Blissex> paul_: 'man sudo' first :_)
[02:53] <Blissex> Jishi: good
[02:54] <Blissex> Jishi: you should have a new popup window called 'Filters' now.
[02:54] <lachoss> when apt talks about "files list for package `ttf-sazanami-gothic'", what's it referring to? where's that files list?
[02:54] <Jishi> Blissex there is popup window..
[02:54] <Blissex> Jishi: on the right there should be a tab called 'Properties'
[02:55] <Jishi> Blissex yeah i am there
[02:55] <Jishi> Blissex nothing listed in the box I can add somthing new
[02:56] <Blissex> Jishi: yes, add two trestrictions:
[02:56] <Blissex> Jishi: both of the 'package name includes' sort
[02:56] <Blissex> Jishi: one with "686" and the other with "2.6."
[02:56] <shadow00> what is the command to try and reconfig the wireless card i tried to configure it on installation with no luck so i gave up..
[02:57] <HappyPills> oooh, nm I may have just managed it... hopefully
[02:57] <Blissex> Jishi: you can just modify the 'Search filter' entry, it is generic.
[02:58] <HappyPills> hehe, installing windows XP via QEMU and trying to setup wine to run a particular application... fun fun
[02:58] <paul_> no luck
[02:58] <Blissex> Jishi: or create a new filter with 'New' on the bottom left.
[02:58] <HappyPills> really chugging =)
[02:58] <LinuxJones> HappyPills, qemu rocks :)
[02:58] <paul_> is there a way to create a root user?
[02:59] <Blissex> paul_: yes.
[02:59] <paul_> how
[02:59] <Blissex> paul_: 'adduser' with a uid of 0.
[02:59] <GoneBoB> um
[02:59] <GoneBoB> there is already a root user
[02:59] <HappyPills> qemu may rock but it is a bit overkill since I only want to run matlab and don't want to have to run it in windows XP itself =)
[02:59] <Jishi> Blissex okay this is what I have created two new ones: "package name includes 686" second one is "Pacakge name includes 2.6" 686 and 2.6 are listed under the patten
[02:59] <kpeterson> can anyone here help me set up vsftp?  My server is running and I can access it at ftp://localhost and even ftp://(mywideareaip) from my computer, but other people time out when they try to connect
[02:59] <GoneBoB> it is simple disabled because it has no password
[03:00] <Blissex> Jishi: perfect, remember the name of the filter (on the left), and then say OK.
[03:00] <paul_> all i know is i cant do jack shit without root access
[03:00] <HappyPills> windows has been saying 33 minutes remaining for about 1/2 an hour now under QEMU
[03:01] <Blissex> Jish: then in the main 'synaptic' window, click on the 'Custom' button.
[03:01] <Blissex> Jishi: and then select the filter you have just defined.
[03:01] <lachoss> gnight!
[03:01] <HappyPills> night
[03:01] <Blissex> Jishi: then you should see on the right all the 2.6 and 686 kernels and driver packages.
[03:02] <shadow00> what is the command to try and reconfig the wireless card i tried to configure it on installation with no luck so i gave up..
[03:02] <roo_> shadow00, are u in Gnome?
[03:02] <shadow00> roo_, well everything is still loading right now
[03:03] <roo_> shadow00, goto Administration > Networking when in gnome. Click on the wireless interface and click "Properties" to configure.
[03:03] <Jishi> Blissex I selected custom from the left panel then search filter..
[03:03] <roo_> shadow00, if the wireless interface doesnt appear, jump out of nearest window
[03:03] <shadow00> roo_, ok thanks
[03:03] <shadow00> roo_, alright
[03:03] <Blissex> Jishi: good, so what you see in the package list.
[03:04] <Jishi> Blissex packages in the right seem to contain all 2.6 version and 686
[03:04] <Blissex> Jishi: perfect, BTW, I made a small mistake: the strings should have been "686" and "2\.6\.", not "2.6"
[03:05] <Jishi> oh okay i can modify this
[03:05] <Blissex> Jishi: now you have learned that you can display just a subset of all packages so you can pick and choose
[03:05] <Blissex> Jishi: not worth modifying, it just catches a few more packages than it should.
[03:06] <Jishi> oops id did that
[03:06] <Blissex> Jishi: so from the list you see that you have several different packages for the same version: like the 'image' package, the 'headers' package, the 'restricted modules' one, and so on.
[03:07] <Jishi> ohh okay
[03:07] <Blissex> Jishi: just select plausible looking matching 'image' and 'headers' packages, even more than one couple.
[03:08] <Blissex> I'd suggest the 2.6.8.1-4-686 and the 2.6.11-1-686 ones.
[03:08] <Jishi> what is the 686-smp?
[03:08] <Blissex> Jishi: right click on the four packages and select 'Mark for installation'.
[03:08] <Blissex> Jishi: dual CPU.
[03:08] <Jishi> blissex ooh okay
[03:09] <Jishi> blissex what four packages?
[03:09] <Blissex> Jishi: now you see that with 'synaptic' and filters you can see all that is available, and choose and pick, knowing all that is available.
[03:09] <Jishi> blissex I have very long list in the filtered results
[03:09] <Blissex> Jishi: the 'image' and 'headers' packages for the 2.6.8.1-4-686 and the 2.6.11-1-686 versions.
[03:10] <Blissex> Jishi: the 'image' and 'headers' packages for the 2.6.8.1-5-686 and the 2.6.11-1-686 versions.
[03:10] <Blissex> Jishi: note the "2.6.8.1-5" with "5" not "4".
[03:11] <Blissex> Jishi: marked all four?
[03:12] <Jishi> there is no 2.6.8
[03:12] <Blissex> Jishi: you got only the 'hoary' sources then?
[03:13] <Jishi> blissex we did them yesterday remeber?
[03:13] <Blissex> Jishi: BTW, marking the 'image' package will automagically mark the 'headers' too
[03:13] <Blissex> Jishi: no, cant remember, too late and tired :-)
[03:13] <Jishi> heheh ...
[03:14] <Jishi> blissex so di I mark the 2.6.11-1-686 for not
[03:14] <Blissex> Jishi: yes mark it.
[03:14] <jeff_> got a question
[03:15] <jeff_> what p2p program can i get for ubuntu?
[03:15] <hybrid> nicotine gtk-gnutella
[03:15] <dphase> limewire
[03:15] <jeff_> will dselect get it
[03:15] <jeff_> ?
[03:16] <jeff_> will i have to add repositories?
[03:17] <Blissex> Jishi: once you marked it, just seelect 'Edit>Apply marked changes'.
[03:17] <hybrid> nicotine and gtk-gnutella are in universe
[03:18] <jeff_> are you saying to use synaptic to get it?
[03:18] <Jishi> blissex When i select linux-headers-2.6.11-1-686, linux-headers-2.6.11-1 gets selected to
[03:18] <Waffer> hi, just upgraded to 5.04, but now I cant find synaptic pckage manager
[03:18] <Blissex> Jishi: that's because APT stuff does automatic dependencies.
[03:18] <hybrid> jeff_ nicotine and gtk-gnutella are avaiable via synaptic yes
[03:19] <jeff_> ok.  well, i looked there and couldn't find them.  i'll look again.  thanks
[03:19] <paul_> sorry guys, but im thinking ubuntu is the silliest distro out there with no root access, i cant even move a tar bz2 to the root folder
[03:20] <gabaug> paul_: use sudo ?
[03:20] <Blissex> Jishi: do, done it all?
[03:20] <paul_> yeah i did
[03:20] <Jishi> Blissex this is what I have selected now : linux-headers-2.6.11-1-686, linux-headers-2.6.11-1, linux-image-2.6.11-1-686
[03:20] <Blissex> paul_: you can always do 'sudo bash' if you want.
[03:20] <Blissex> Jishi: that's perfect.
[03:20] <HappyPills> paul_: use passwd to enable the root user?
[03:20] <Jishi> apply?
[03:20] <hybrid> jeff_ there is also bittorrent
[03:21] <paul_> too much hassle
[03:21] <paul_> back to some other distro
[03:21] <dphase> anyone had issues on hoary with audio being out of sync on video files?
[03:21] <_oranges> yep
[03:21] <Jishi> Blissex apply?
[03:21] <Blissex> Jishi: yes...
[03:22] <Jishi> Blissex linux-headers-2.6.11-1 (version 2.6.11-0.2) will be installed
[03:22] <Jishi> linux-headers-2.6.11-1-686 (version 2.6.11-0.2) will be installed
[03:22] <Jishi> linux-image-2.6.11-1-686 (version 2.6.11-0.2) will be installed
[03:22] <Jishi> applying
[03:22] <jeff_> what is a good bittorent website to try and find music>
[03:22] <jeff_> ?
[03:23] <Jishi> torrentspy
[03:23] <jeff_> .org or net?
[03:23] <hybrid> jeff_ i like mininova.org
[03:23] <Vizc> H, the default firefox in Ubuntu is 0.9, does anyone know how to update it to 1.0.2??
[03:23] <hybrid> apt-get update
[03:23] <hybrid> sudo apt-get update
[03:24] <punjab12> RC1 has a few buggies
[03:24] <norris> ubuntu just took number one at distrowatch
[03:24] <punjab12> RC1 may need 2 more RC's
[03:24] <hybrid> awesome
[03:24] <punjab12> i know RC1 isnt ready <grin>
[03:25] <punjab12> close and its great
[03:25] <punjab12> but just a few buggies to nab
[03:25] <norris> is there an ubuntu-amd64 channel?
[03:25] <punjab12> #1 on distrowatch?  kewl
[03:25] <Jishi> http://www.torrentspy.com/
[03:25] <punjab12> after its final, it will be #1 for sure :)
[03:25] <Vizc> apt -get update, ok i'll try it, thanks
[03:26] <Vizc> what's up with the sudo command?
[03:26] <hybrid> Vizc it give you root
[03:26] <Jishi> Blissex I got dis while downloading the kernel damn cordless phone is that cool  or redownload again
[03:26] <Blissex> Jishi: are you done? Can I go to sleep? :-)
[03:26] <Blissex> Jishi: it will restart from where it was.
[03:26] <hybrid> Vizc because ubuntu does not have a root user
[03:26] <punjab12> 1 Ubuntu 2561
[03:26] <punjab12> wow 2561 for 1 mth totals
[03:26] <hybrid> so sudo does the job as any user
[03:27] <hybrid> Vizc just use your passwd
[03:27] <kdp> is there a request form or something to add an application to the repository?
[03:27] <Jishi> Blissex it is downloading...  off course go to sleep so after the downlad jusr t reasart abd select 686 from grub?
[03:27] <Vizc> ahh, now I understand many things! lol
[03:28] <hybrid> lol
[03:28] <Jishi> Blissex it is done
[03:28] <Vizc> but i never had tu use sudo before and i modified files like /etc/network/interfaces
[03:28] <Blissex> Jishi: the Debian/Ubuntu kernel package installation will update the boot menus for you.
[03:28] <HackRip> ubuntu just became N1 on distrowatch in the "last 6 months" hits today ;)
[03:28] <Jishi> yeah I mean on boot i select that specific kernel
[03:28] <Blissex> Jishi: I am not sure about the GRUB menus though, fairly sure about LILO menus. But I am getting confused between Debian and Ubuntu perhaps.
[03:29] <Blissex> Jishi: yes, just select the specigic kernel...
[03:29] <Blissex> Jishi: when you install a new kernel never delete the old one for a while, just in case :-)
[03:29] <Jishi> Blissex all other software should be working fine right?
[03:29] <Blissex> Jishi: yes...
[03:30] <Jishi> Blissex Thank you for your help and sorry for keeping you waiting....
[03:30] <hybrid> why does ubuntu use the chocolate brown? or w/e it is called
[03:30] <Blissex> Jishi: OK, good night and thanks for the appreciation... I hope you learned to love Synaptic.
[03:31] <Vizc> yeah i asked myself the same question.. .the should've picked anotherone a lil bit nicer
[03:31] <xiaowen> Can someone here please paste me her/his /etc/apt/sources.list?
[03:31] <hybrid> yea
[03:31] <Jishi> Blissex good night I am learning alot
[03:32] <folta> hey all - i;'m trying to compile this plugin that requires glib, which i have, but it can't seem to find it. it wants a file called glib-config, does anyone know where that is or how to get the app to compile?
[03:32] <hybrid> xiaowen meet me in flood and i will post mine
[03:32] <xiaowen> Thanks hybrid.
[03:32] <Jishi> brb guyz
[03:32] <_oranges> newbie q (used univ. unix): should i get 5.* or 4.* ?
[03:33] <randabis> I'd recommend 5.04
[03:33] <_oranges> first answers the best :D
[03:34] <randabis> 5.04 is not frozen yet, but will freeze this friday, april 8th
[03:34] <inetd> what does ubuntu has that debian doesnt have?
[03:34] <inetd> :p
[03:34] <inetd> no flames..just asking
[03:34] <randabis> inetd: releases
[03:34] <randabis> :)
[03:34] <_oranges> i'm not sure i will be able to start before friday so i guess i just could've waited... :D
[03:35] <JaZy15> can anyone help me
[03:35] <JaZy15> i'm trying to get ncurses
[03:35] <JaZy15> but apt-get wont' work
[03:35] <_oranges> that's why i looked into ubuntu, it seemed to have been updated in a while...
[03:35] <JaZy15> and when i run synaptic i get an error.
[03:35] <randabis> ubuntu has several advantages over plain debian...perhaps there is a wiki entry on this or something
[03:35] <_oranges> is apt-get a remote get or local?
[03:36] <paul_> any tv card applications thatll work in ubuntu?
[03:36] <JaZy15> _oranges i think it can be both
[03:36] <hybrid> randabis this is my therory we can do anything debian can but debian cant neccessarily do anything we can
[03:36] <grakh> ok... I look around a bit more
[03:36] <JaZy15> depending on how you set sources.list
[03:36] <JaZy15> i think
[03:37] <randabis> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/
[03:37] <paul_> anyone know of a tv card ap for ubuntu?
[03:37] <hybrid> xiaowen that sources.list was for hoary
[03:37] <xiaowen> hybrid: OK, thanks.
[03:37] <JaZy15> i'm haveing more problems with ubuntu as compared to gentoo though : (
[03:37] <hybrid> xiaowen np
[03:38] <paul_> ya vida linux seems to be much more flexible than ubuntu
[03:38] <Vizc> and which is the package list from which the command apt-get reads?
[03:38] <meister_> hi
[03:38] <hybrid> hello
[03:39] <efletch> hi all
[03:39] <randabis> JaZy15: heh, once gentoo is setup, it's a breeze :) 2005.0 has a lot of problems currently though...It really turned me off to gentoo
[03:39] <Zugot> paul  what do you mean more flexible?
[03:39] <randabis> vidalinux more flexible?!?! in what way?
[03:39] <Zugot> I've been running gentoo for years now
[03:39] <JaZy15> yeah. that's what i'm running on my ppc
[03:39] <JaZy15> trying ubuntu for my x86
[03:39] <Zugot> its fun....
[03:39] <folta> randabis, what's up with gentoo atm?
[03:40] <JaZy15> but i'm getting a damn error running synaptic or anything in the preferences menu
[03:40] <JaZy15> really
[03:40] <meister_> i m using hoary and like it much..but i have one problem: there is somewhere a script (or daemon?) which starts sometimes updatedb and mandb (which i dont need).. how can i stop it to do so?
[03:40] <randabis> folta: crap, utter crap...just my opinion though. :p
[03:40] <randabis> 2004.3 worked much better for me
[03:40] <Zugot> meister_: have a look in /etc/cron.daily
[03:40] <hybrid> randabis who a gentoo YOU dont like? o_0
[03:41] <hybrid> **wooo
[03:41] <Zugot> i just need all my software to work with ubuntu amd64
[03:41] <randabis> hybrid: I like gentoo, but I just don't like gentoo 2005.0 atm
[03:41] <Zugot> only need two more items and i can move over full time
[03:42] <hybrid> randabis i know you like gentoo but it surprises me you dont like the newest edition
[03:42] <efletch> I haven't been on IRC before, so I don't know the procedure here
[03:42] <Zugot> i just like distros that allow me to be flexible
[03:42] <randabis> but overall ubuntu has a larger selection of packages (once you enable universe and multiverse) than portage, and doesn't have all the problems with broken ebuilds like 2005.0 has
[03:42] <Zugot> i want a 2.6.11 from ubuntu...
[03:42] <efletch> Is this a good place to discuss a problem?
[03:42] <randabis> Zugot: there is one in universe
[03:43] <Zugot> that 2.6.11-7 is scary
[03:43] <meister_> Zugot, do i have to delete man-db?and where is the stuff relating updatedb?
[03:43] <kdp> anyone know how i might add ds9 to a list of known apps?  so i can just type ds9 in a terminal and have it start
[03:43] <randabis> Zugot: I'm sure breezy will have whatever kernel is the latest at the time of release (or as close as possible, adding and stabilizing a new kernel is a lot of work)
[03:44] <Zugot> meister_: have a look in the slocate cron for that
[03:44] <JAzyLNX> Failed to run /usr/bin/gnome-app-install:
[03:44] <JAzyLNX>  Child terminated with 1 status
[03:44] <hybrid> randabis : i am kinda new to linux. i have been using it almost a year. and i want to dual boot ubuntu and gentoo on my ppc box. should i?
[03:44] <JaZy15> i get that error every time i'm trying to run anything
[03:44] <Zugot> randabis: oh i know.   i just know my laptop works better with 2.6.11
[03:44] <JaZy15> within X
[03:44] <randabis> hybrid: I'll probably like it once all the kinks are worked out. As for your ppc, that's up to you. I'd keep osx on it myself
[03:45] <JaZy15> if i try ti run /usr/bin/synaptic i get same error
[03:45] <JaZy15> and i deas?
[03:45] <meister_> Zugot, do i really have to delete them or will a chmod -x do the same?
[03:45] <randabis> Zugot: well, you can always play with that one in universe
[03:46] <pune> hello can anyone help me?
[03:46] <hybrid> randabis osx is long gone i got ubuntu on it now. but as a semi noob would gentoo be too advanced?
[03:46] <Zugot> meister_: you could try a chmod -x
[03:46] <rberry> can any one help me with my display settings, just installed ubuntu on my laptop  and im stuck in 640-480  its the only option in the resolution xpplet...
[03:46] <Zugot> randabis: i'm getting the 2.6.11 source right now
[03:46] <hybrid> pune that is what this channel is for is help
[03:46] <hybrid> go ahead and ask w/e
[03:46] <randabis> Zugot: there are precompiled packages I thought
[03:46] <pune> sorry i'm new
[03:46] <efletch> pune: help you with what?
[03:46] <hybrid> np
[03:46] <pune> anyway, i'm having trouble with my printer
[03:47] <pune> I have no idea how to get it on
[03:47] <efletch> pune: what kind of printer?
[03:47] <randabis> hybrid: the most difficult part is the install, but if you follow the handbook it is pretty straightforward
[03:47] <pune> I have an Hp psc 1310v
[03:47] <hybrid> randabis ok
[03:47] <randabis> hybrid: I wouldn't try to hack your /etc/make.conf too much though...you could wreck some havok if you don't know what you're doing
[03:47] <efletch> pund: what is it doing?  Is it usb or parallel?
[03:48] <pune> it's usb
[03:48] <pune> it won't automatically connect
[03:48] <efletch> pune: are you on warty or hoary?
[03:48] <randabis> hybrid: the most powerful aspect of gentoo is USE= flags...I'd read up on them in the gentoo handbook
[03:48] <pune> warty
[03:49] <efletch> pune:  in a terminal, do a 'tail -f /var/log/messages' and see what is reported when you plug in the printer
[03:49] <hybrid> randabis: is the installer text or graphic based
[03:49] <rberry> can any one help me with my display settings, just installed ubuntu on my laptop  and im stuck in 640-480  its the only option in the resolution xpplet... hoary 504
[03:49] <pune> ok
[03:49] <pune> hold on
[03:49] <JaZy15> doe anyone know were i can get ncurses downloaded.
[03:49] <dphase> anyone here had issues with audio being out of sync with video on hoary?
[03:49] <JaZy15> since i can't run synaptic
[03:49] <JaZy15> ?\
[03:49] <dockane> randabis, is gentoo somehow the linux from scratch ?
[03:50] <JaZy15> yeah dockane
[03:50] <JaZy15> pertty much
[03:50] <yfir> ?
[03:50] <randabis> dockane: somewhat
[03:50] <randabis> hybrid: definitely text
[03:50] <pvoce> gentoo takes forever to install, but it runs like crazy when its done:)
[03:50] <yfir> dockane: gentoo is just another distro
[03:50] <randabis> hybrid: gentoo has no installer
[03:51] <randabis> pvoce: ymmv
[03:51] <pune> It's telling me there is no such file or directory
[03:51] <hybrid> my first time is installed a distro it was mdk and it was graphical and i loved it but then ubuntu wasnt as easy so idk if i could do the gentoo install
[03:51] <skreet> gentoo takes way too long to install.
[03:51] <randabis> hmm...no restricted modules for the 2.6.11 kernel packages...heh
[03:51] <yfir> there's a reason for that
[03:51] <folta> hybrid, gentoo was my first installation, no lie, and i managed to get it working, so it can;t be that hard
[03:52] <randabis> skreet: ymmv
[03:52] <pvoce> gentoo literally takes days
[03:52] <randabis> BS
[03:52] <JaZy15> took me 34 hrs to emerge kde
[03:52] <skreet> Days on an older machine
[03:52] <hybrid> folta ok
[03:52] <skreet> It takes me about a day to get it setup with KDE or gnome and all my software
[03:52] <skreet> 12-14 hours i'd say.
[03:52] <folta> it was tough though
[03:52] <randabis> I can get a base system with a graphical environment (gnome) going in under a day from STAGE 1
[03:52] <hybrid> does gentoo use kde or gnome
[03:52] <skreet> randabis, What kind of system and how many distcc clients?
[03:53] <JaZy15> either one
[03:53] <skreet> hybrid, Neither, by default
[03:53] <JaZy15> hybrid
[03:53] <yfir> hybrid: either one. whichever you decide
[03:53] <hybrid> oo ok
[03:53] <randabis> hybrid: gentoo is about flexibility...you decide what you want on your system
[03:53] <randabis> skreet: athlon xp 3200+ no distcc
[03:53] <skreet> hybrid, It installs NOHTING by default, you install everything from source.
[03:53] <efletch> pune:  don't understand, you can run this as user, just did it . . . tail -f /var/log/messages . . . type that in a terminal
[03:53] <JAzyLNX> what the hell does conversation wwith su failed mean when trying to get into adminstartive control center
[03:54] <skreet> randabis, YEa my 2.8E takes about a days work (12-14 hours) to install gentoo, xorg, kde, gnome, firefox, totem, etc etc
[03:54] <skreet> JAzyLNX, Did you emerge KDE onto a Ubuntu system?
[03:54] <hybrid> and to compile you ./configure make sudo make install?
[03:54] <pune> ok i've got something now
[03:54] <pvoce> back
[03:54] <randabis> gentoo's not worth it to me anymore though
[03:54] <skreet> err emerge lol, apt-get
[03:54] <JaZy15> i ran apt-get install kde
[03:54] <JaZy15> yes
[03:54] <grover> http://funroll-loops.org/
[03:54] <randabis> hybrid: no, you use emerge
[03:55] <rberry> can any one help me with my display settings, just installed ubuntu on my laptop  and im stuck in 640-480  its the only option in the resolution xpplet... hoary 504
[03:55] <skreet> JaZy15, Theres your problem, you installed kde onto a gnome-confifgured system
[03:55] <hybrid> wow never thought i would here you say that randabis
[03:55] <skreet> You should do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and it'll install it correctly
[03:55] <pvoce> randabis: ive installed a gentoo system that two 2.5 days...ill never do that agfain:)
[03:55] <JaZy15> can i just run that and leave kde on
[03:55] <hybrid> raandabis how do you compile with emerge?
[03:55] <pune> how do i get the terminal to repeat a command line without having to type it all
[03:55] <skreet> Eh, I dont know, probably
[03:55] <skreet> I'd undo it just to be safe.
[03:55] <pvoce> but Im a kubuntu fan now
[03:55] <randabis> hybrid: emerge (name of package)
[03:55] <skreet> pune, Press up
[03:55] <hybrid> oo not hard
[03:55] <randabis> kubuntu rocks :)
[03:55] <yfir> only problem with kubuntu is it comes with kde...
[03:56] <skreet> hybrid, When it works.
[03:56] <efletch> pune: up arrow
[03:56] <hybrid> skreet lol
[03:56] <chavo> pune, or use ctrl-r to search through your history
[03:56] <skreet> yfir, Lets not start flame wars for no reason, this is a support channel :D
[03:56] <randabis> hybrid: emerge is similar to apt, except it compiles the packages from source instead of using precompiled packages
[03:56] <hybrid> is gentoo very big?
[03:56] <meister_> fucking windows-ftp-server
[03:56] <yfir> agree skreet. dumb joke only
[03:56] <hybrid> oo
[03:56] <pune> thanks
[03:56] <randabis> however, emerge CAN use precompiled packages
[03:56] <pvoce> I quite being a gnomer when ximian was bought out by novell
[03:56] <hybrid> o i c
[03:56] <skreet> hybrid, By default gentoo is small, it installs *NOTHING*
[03:56] <folta> hybrid, with kde and all that stuff, yeah, but it can be small
[03:56] <skreet> hybrid, Then you ADD programs
[03:57] <hybrid> ok i get it
[03:57] <randabis> the minimal install CD for gentoo is under 100 MB
[03:57] <skreet> yfir, Good, I laughed :D Just making sure it wasnt turning into an ati vs nvidia all out end of the world battle to the death
[03:57] <hybrid> so gentoo can be just gnome and firefox if you wanted
[03:57] <randabis> yes
[03:57] <JaZy15> yeah
[03:57] <hybrid> wow
[03:57] <pune> I don't know what i'm looking at though
[03:57] <hybrid> ill check it out but not 2005.0
[03:57] <hybrid> :P
[03:57] <pvoce> think of gentoo as Slackware on steroids
[03:57] <efletch> anybody know if hoary has substantial improvements to usb???
[03:58] <folta> although why install gnome just for firefox?
[03:58] <hybrid> lol
[03:58] <pune> it's a list of devices plugged in i think
[03:58] <randabis> hybrid: 2005.0 will be fine for you
[03:58] <randabis> 2005.0 just isn't fine for ME
[03:58] <randabis> that's because I'm a tweaker
[03:58] <hybrid> folta i was just saying
[03:58] <hybrid> oo
[03:58] <hybrid> randabis why was that
[03:58] <hybrid> oo
[03:58] <skreet> What changed?
[03:58] <randabis> I do non-standard things
[03:58] <hybrid> lol
[03:58] <skreet> And you run Ubuntu?
[03:58] <Brunellus> I'm connected via ndiswrapper, which I built from source
[03:58] <hybrid> i am not that advanced but i am getting there
[03:58] <efletch> pune: the command will give you the last few lines of /var/log/messages, look to see what is written there when you plug in the printer
[03:59] <Brunellus> an apt dist-upgrade will change the kernel-headers against which I built ndiswrapper
[03:59] <randabis> skreet: I have problems with some packages I like to use in ~x86
[03:59] <randabis> like glibc 2.3.4 and gcc 3.4.3
[03:59] <Brunellus> how do I upgrade and not break ndiswrapper/get ndiswrapper up and running with minimum fuss post-upgrade?
[03:59] <rberry> how do i change my video mode
[03:59] <skreet> randabis, So, you dont run Ubuntu usually?
[03:59] <randabis> skreet: I used to dual boot both
[04:00] <skreet> I hate dual-booting
[04:00] <pune> Apr  2 20:57:59 localhost kernel: drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 8 if 1 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x03F0 pid 0x3F11
[04:00] <skreet> I find that I never reboot
[04:00] <randabis> now I just single-boot a custom ubuntu install
[04:00] <LinuxJones> Brunellus, don't think you can
[04:00] <pune> that's the entry it gives
[04:00] <skreet> randabis, How hard is custom ubuntu kernel to do?
[04:00] <Brunellus> LinuxJones:  I *can't*?
[04:00] <skreet> I was thinking about it.
[04:00] <randabis> nah, no custom kernel
[04:00] <randabis> not worth the trouble
[04:00] <Brunellus> do you mean to tell me that I'm doomed to run a very out-of-date warty install so long as I have this ?
[04:00] <skreet> Didnt think so.
[04:00] <randabis> I mean package selection
[04:00] <LinuxJones> Brunellus, if the kernel changes you will have to re-do ndiswrapper stuff
[04:00] <JaZy15> yeah i dwonloaded 2.6.11
[04:01] <hybrid>  Gentoo is all about choices. right out of the handbook :P
[04:01] <JaZy15> but i can't run make menuconfig
[04:01] <JaZy15> due to ncurses
[04:01] <skreet> Gentoo is all about headaches.
[04:01] <skreet> :\
[04:01] <hybrid> lol
[04:01] <skreet> It's fun and I learned ALOT from it
[04:01] <randabis> skreet: I could do a custom kernel if I wanted, but then I'd need to compile an nvidia module, etc. for it
[04:01] <skreet> I like the init system.
[04:01] <LinuxJones> Brunellus, although your hardware might be supported out of the box if it's a fairly new network card
[04:01] <randabis> I couldn't use restricted modules with a custom kernel
[04:01] <skreet> randabis, Yea it really isnt worth the trouble, imho
[04:01] <LinuxJones> Brunellus, what module is your card using ?
[04:01] <JaZy15> i can't get my sound working. wo8uldn't i have to recompile kernel
[04:01] <JaZy15> ?
[04:01] <pvoce> Nopers....Im focusing on Kubuntu for some of my clientele because A: is free
[04:01] <skreet> hybrid, IF your'e getting into linux, give it a shot, you'll learn a whole bunch from it
[04:02] <hybrid> ok
[04:02] <skreet> And you'll probably decide it's not worth the trouble of compiling everything.
[04:02] <pune> It's saying there is no VRS found too
[04:02] <pvoce> boglot: easy to install packages
[04:02] <randabis> skreet: yeah, the ubuntu kernels are already very fine tuned..I like their modular approach to drivers
[04:02] <hybrid> lol
[04:02] <skreet> But you'll be smarter :D
[04:02] <Brunellus> lsipnds
[04:02] <kakalto> how do I save a page in lynx?
[04:02] <Brunellus> wmp11nds
[04:02] <hybrid> ok i will install it
[04:02] <Brunellus> lsbcmnds
[04:02] <pvoce> b easy to install packages
[04:02] <Brunellus> those ar the three .inf files I've loaded into ndiswraper
[04:02] <pvoce> corza: very much a sharp look and feel to it
[04:02] <JaZy15> were can i see a list of modules so i can start my sound module
[04:02] <efletch> pune: your printer is being detected, looks ok . . . what happens when you run the add printer command?
[04:02] <kakalto> anyone?
[04:03] <TheGorf> So I installed mplayer from source because I wanted the latest version, and now Synaptic says it needs to remove "mozilla-firefox, mozilla-mplayer, and ubuntu-desktop".  Is there a way to make it ignore that?  I'm basically stuck for adding any packages or upgrades or anything.
[04:03] <randabis> I'm thinking about giving the precompiled linux 2.6.11 kernels in universe a try, but I'm kind of reluctant because there aren't any restricted modules packages for them
[04:03] <skreet> kakalto, Try #lynx, I dont know :D
[04:03] <kdp> does anyone know if ubuntu supports xgterm?
[04:03] <pune> i think it says the printer isn't recognized
[04:03] <skreet> kdp, What's xgterm?
[04:03] <pune> holy shit now it's there
[04:03] <pune> wow, sorry
[04:03] <kdp> skreet: its another type of terminal
[04:03] <skreet> kdp, For Gnome or KDE?
[04:03] <skreet> kdp, Or Xlib?
[04:03] <randabis> JaZy15: /lib/modules probably
[04:03] <kdp> skreet: i dont know, but it works in gnome
[04:04] <kakalto> skreet, thnx
[04:04] <skreet> kdp, Should work just fine then.
[04:04] <kdp> on other machines
[04:04] <Brunellus> LinuxJones:  I don' think the Linksys WmP11 v4 is supported out of the box...I remember checking that
[04:04] <skreet> kakalto, They tell ya?
[04:04] <pune> thanks guys
[04:04] <Brunellus> so if I update, I'll break ndiswrapper.  what do I do then?
[04:04] <kakalto> skreet, there's one other person in ther :9
[04:04] <kdp> skreet: but its not in the repo, and running "xgterm" brings up nothing
[04:04] <eclipse> how come my computer keeps locking up when i upgraded my kernel to i686 instead of i386 as a default?
[04:04] <skreet> kakalto, Wow. Maybe this isnt Lynx's server :D
[04:04] <rberry> can any one help me with my display settings, just installed ubuntu on my laptop  and im stuck in 640-480  its the only option in the resolution xpplet... hoary 504\
[04:04] <eclipse> but i can still move the cursor
[04:04] <kakalto> probably
[04:04] <eclipse> anyone knows why?
[04:04] <skreet> kdp, Have you enabled the other repos?
[04:04] <kdp> skreet: yes
[04:04] <skreet> Ubuntu's repos are small, and *safe* :D
[04:04] <efletch> pune:  no prob
[04:04] <skreet> So you cant break anything
[04:05] <skreet> kdp, Even Nerim's?
[04:05] <kdp> universe, multiverse, etc.
[04:05] <kdp> nerim?
[04:05] <skreet> kdp, www.ubuntuguide.org that'll show you how to enable the nerim repo
[04:05] <skreet> it has alot of stuff in it.
[04:05] <randabis> skreet: universe is fairly large :)
[04:05] <skreet> randabis, True.
[04:05] <skreet> Did you try downloading a .deb from xgterm?
[04:05] <kdp> oooooooo the marillat
[04:05] <kdp> yes, ive enabled that
[04:06] <skreet> That'll probably be easier.
[04:06] <hybrid> but it is universe of course it is
[04:06] <grohk> is there something like packages.debian.org for ubuntu?
[04:06] <andril> hello all
[04:06] <randabis> there's a really sweet script for new hoary installs that helps you get a lot of things setup quickly (gnomebaker, w32codecs, msttcorefonts, java, flash, etc)
[04:07] <Mestapheles> anyone notice that rox does work rather xffm starts to browse files from a dialop box?
[04:07] <skreet> Wow, I cant find anything on xgterm anywhere..
[04:07] <skreet> Not very popular is it?
[04:07] <LinuxJones> randabis, where is that ?
[04:07] <randabis> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
[04:07] <randabis> there
[04:07] <kdp> skreet: where can i get the .deb?
[04:07] <Marble2> How do I format a drive?
[04:08] <kdp> google isnt very helpful
[04:08] <Marble2> through command line
[04:08] <bur[n] er> gnomebaker is key :)
[04:08] <rberry> how do i change my video mode
[04:08] <kdp> skreet:
[04:08] <kdp> oops
[04:08] <kdp> just saw ur message
[04:08] <skreet> Gimme a sec, i'm trying to track it down.
[04:08] <skreet> You've got me curious
[04:08] <skreet> Where did oyu first use it?
[04:08] <kdp> hahaha yes i need it for IRAF
[04:09] <kdp> =astronomy research app
[04:09] <Marble2> anyone?
[04:09] <randabis> I like k3b better myself, but gnomebaker is great for gnome folks
[04:10] <LinuxJones> randabis, that's awesome it should be included as a metapackage, would be nice to include 3d drivers for either ati or nvidia cards as well as a sugestion :)
[04:10] <Marble2> How do I format a drive?
[04:10] <hybrid> how can i overclock my machine using ubuntu
[04:10] <hybrid> ?
[04:10] <randabis> LinuxJones: yeah, tell ubuntu-geek; not me. :p
[04:11] <randabis> hybrid: ubuntu wouldn't have anything to do with overclocking
[04:11] <LinuxJones> randabis, you didn't do it sorry :P
[04:11] <randabis> overclocking is done is BIOS
[04:11] <Marble2> uh hybrid overclocking is done in bios
[04:11] <randabis> is = in
[04:11] <Marble2> beaten
[04:11] <andril> randabis: where can I find these scripts?
[04:11] <randabis> andril:
[04:11] <randabis> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
[04:11] <hybrid> randabis: so it would be the same as if before i got rid of osx?
[04:11] <skreet> kdp, I dont know man, if you can find a page with the source or anythign you can probably use it, but I cant find even that.
[04:11] <randabis> hybrid: I don't believe macs can be overclocked
[04:12] <andril> sorry I saw the link
[04:12] <hybrid> d@mn
[04:12] <randabis> if they can, then I don't know how...not a mac specialist...the new ones intrigue me though
[04:12] <kdp> skreet: i just noticied that it ONLY occurs w/iraf, so it may be proprietary...:-(
[04:13] <skreet> kdp, Perhaps :(
[04:13] <randabis> a brand new 17inch powerbook is definitely on my "must have" list
[04:13] <hybrid> randabis what the mac mini
[04:13] <hybrid> ?
[04:13] <skreet> Halarious little thing.
[04:13] <skreet> G5's are powerhouses though. :D
[04:13] <Brunellus> minimac, hybrid
[04:13] <hybrid> mac mini
[04:13] <Brunellus> the 'cheap' mac
[04:13] <hybrid> lol
[04:13] <inva|id> How might you set a cron job to do a dist-upgrade ? The problem I see is when it asks you questions before proceeding, like y/n
[04:13] <randabis> mac mini is nice, but I'm more interested in the powerbooks
[04:14] <skreet> "Lets see we've got alot of old G4 procs lying around.. and peopel arnt buying 999$ iBooks fast enough.. Hey Mini Macs are ALL THE RAGE :D
[04:14] <hybrid> it is sad my iBook g3 has a monitor keyboard and all near same speed and it was the same price
[04:14] <JaZy15> hey guys i ran kunbuntu-desktop
[04:14] <hybrid> randabis : oh over my budget
[04:14] <JaZy15> and i still get convasation failed when trying to do anything as root
[04:14] <randabis> hybrid: when I can afford it the one I want with all the trimmings is gonna set me back about 5k
[04:14] <JaZy15> and running synaptic still doesn't start
[04:14] <JaZy15> ..
[04:15] <randabis> but it will be sweet
[04:15] <skreet> there is no root in Ubuntu per se.
[04:15] <randabis> JaZy15: probably because synaptic has nothing to do with kubuntu-desktop
[04:15] <LinuxJones> inva|id, there is a switch you can add -y (I think) to accept all changes. Check the man page to be sure.
[04:15] <hybrid> randabis will you keep osx or dual boot it or only linux as ur os?
[04:15] <skreet> Use Sudo or gnome-sudo to start root programs.
[04:15] <JaZy15> well i've been having that problem from the start
[04:15] <JaZy15> ..
[04:15] <skreet> Yous aid you were trying to open the control center
[04:15] <skreet> and it couldent use su
[04:15] <randabis> hybrid: depends on what happens in the future. I won't be able to get one for quite some time
[04:16] <inva|id> LinuxJones, thankyou, I'll check for the switch
[04:16] <skreet> kubuntu-desktop should take care of htat by telling control center to sudo beforehand
[04:16] <hybrid> randabis o i c tiger
[04:16] <randabis> kubuntu-desktop install kynaptic :p
[04:16] <randabis> installs
[04:16] <skreet> Thats true.
[04:16] <skreet> lol
[04:16] <randabis> and I really hate kynaptic atm
[04:16] <randabis> maybe it will get better
[04:17] <randabis> kpackage pwns it right now
[04:17] <hybrid> kynaptic lol
[04:17] <skreet> same
[04:17] <Marble2> I've been having some problems with my linux install, and I was trying to fix it and I now get "NTLDR is missing" when I try booting up to Windows (I dual boot), does anyone know how to fix this? (I also use lilo)
[04:17] <JaZy15> fdisk /mbr
[04:17] <JaZy15> will fix it
[04:17] <JaZy15> mast boot recorder got screwed
[04:17] <JaZy15> well skreet i'm still getting the same problems with kde
[04:17] <JaZy15> ..
[04:18] <randabis> Marble2: you'll need to either boot with a 98 boot disk or use a windows xp disk and run the recovery console
[04:18] <skreet> JaZy15, YOu're trying to open synaptic in kde.
[04:18] <LinuxJones> Marble2, why are you using lilo ?
[04:18] <Marble2> okay
[04:18] <Marble2> LinuxJones: I can't get grub working
[04:18] <skreet> You said Control Center before.
[04:18] <JaZy15> in gnome
[04:18] <randabis> JaZy15: did you apt-get install synaptic?
[04:18] <JaZy15> i was trying to open control center before.
[04:18] <Marble2> uh, well JaZy15  and randabis are saying 2 different things
[04:18] <Marble2> which one will work best
[04:19] <randabis> Marble2: because there are multiple ways to fix your problem
[04:19] <Marble2> okay
[04:19] <JaZy15> just do fdisk /mbr
[04:19] <JaZy15> once yoru in a console
[04:19] <Marble2> okay, I'll try that first
[04:19] <JaZy15> or boot disk (98)
[04:19] <geneo93> randabis:  why
[04:19] <randabis> if it were me, I would wipe windows completely. :)
[04:19] <jeffreyj> can someone recommend a good game? that isn't open gl requried
[04:19] <Marble2> JaZy15: windows recovery console?
[04:19] <randabis> geneo93: ?
[04:19] <JaZy15> randabis yes i have latest version of synaptic it says
[04:19] <geneo93> apt-get work best
[04:19] <bur[n] er> jeffreyj: frozen-bubble
[04:19] <JaZy15> yeah you can do it in there Marble2
[04:19] <jeffreyj> besides that
[04:19] <jeffreyj> :P
[04:20] <yfir> jeffreyj: gnugo
[04:20] <Marble2> okay
[04:20] <bur[n] er> jeffreyj: zsnes :)
[04:20] <geneo93> freecraft
[04:20] <jeffreyj> freecraft?
[04:20] <randabis> geneo93: your point? I agree with you, but that's not what JaZy15 wants to do
[04:20] <randabis> JaZy15: so what happens when you run synaptic?
[04:20] <bur[n] er> i'd say bzflag, but that's definately gl required for any sort of enjoyment ;)
[04:20] <randabis> haha bzflag is fun
[04:20] <Marble2> where is the file that specifies what device "eject" unmounts/ejects?
[04:20] <JaZy15> in x
[04:20] <JaZy15> or in the cmd?
[04:21] <jeffreyj> is there a gba emulater for linux
[04:21] <geneo93> visualboyadvance works good if you have roms
[04:21] <randabis> JaZy15: in x I'd assume since synaptic requires X :p
[04:21] <randabis> yeah visualboyadvance rocks :)
[04:21] <montre> I'm getting a weird error with glxinfo
[04:21] <JaZy15> well when i run it in x (gnome) it says failed to start /usr/sbin/synaptic child termainated with status 1
[04:21] <montre> I just installed the nvidia drivers
[04:22] <randabis> JaZy15: hmm ouch
[04:22] <JaZy15> yeah
[04:22] <JaZy15> and it says that when i goto add/remove programs also
[04:22] <jeffreyj> sweet thanks
[04:22] <randabis> JaZy15: what are you entering? sudo synaptic? clicking on the icons?
[04:22] <JaZy15> clicking on icons
[04:23] <randabis> I think you tweaked your install too much :p
[04:23] <JaZy15> basically anything that needs root access is giving me the same error "terminated on status 1"
[04:23] <JaZy15> should i just get to reinstalling?
[04:23] <randabis> that's an option; if you don't wanna spend hours figuring out what's wrong and fixing it :p
[04:24] <JaZy15> yeah
[04:24] <JaZy15> lemme start the install
[04:24] <JaZy15> brb
[04:24] <JaZy15> this time i'll ask when i'm done :)
[04:24] <hybrid> can i use debian repos ?
[04:24] <geneo93> boy this cheap beer is pretty good
[04:24] <hybrid> lol
[04:24] <JaZy15> i got some budweiser waiting for me
[04:24] <randabis> hybrid: some debian repos (marillat for instance) are generally safe
[04:25] <geneo93> hybrid:  not recomended it breaks ubuntu
[04:25] <hybrid> not all tho
[04:25] <hybrid> ?
[04:25] <hybrid> oo ok
[04:25] <LinuxJones> geneo93, you've just answered the ago old question :)
[04:25] <randabis> hybrid: it just depends on what repo really
[04:25] <hybrid> ok
[04:25] <randabis> marillat is pretty safe
[04:25] <hybrid> what is in that
[04:26] <randabis> and has some essentials like w32codecs and libdvdcss2
[04:26] <Mestapheles> just ppc packages
[04:26] <geneo93> LinuxJones:  ???
[04:26] <JaZy15> during the install does it ask you to set the root password?
[04:26] <hybrid> o i need that
[04:26] <pune> does anybody know of a program for a scanner i could use?
[04:26] <Mestapheles> sane
[04:26] <Mestapheles> xsane
[04:26] <randabis> JaZy15: no. ubuntu does not use su. It uses sudo..see this link http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:26] <LinuxJones> geneo93, what is the meaning of life .....cheap, great tasting beer :)
[04:27] <JaZy15> ty
[04:27] <randabis> on a default ubuntu install root cannot login to the system
[04:27] <randabis> it's a security measure, and a damned good one might I add
[04:28] <hybrid> i second that
[04:28] <randabis> well, I'll be back soon...I gotta pack my suitcase
[04:28] <geneo93> randabis:  not really security
[04:28] <hybrid> see ya randabis
[04:29] <randabis> geneo93: uh, how is it not a security measure?
[04:30] <randabis>  really going now
[04:30] <randabis> see ya
[04:30] <LinuxJones> bye
[04:30] <hybrid> brb
[04:31] <pune> does anybody know of a program that works with a usb scanner?
[04:32] <johndoher> issue: I installed warty x86_64 smoothly, but when it first asks for my login and pw, a screen pops up that says "I cannot start the X server... likely because it's not set up correctly... view the X server output to diagnose?"
[04:32] <isai> just installed ubuntu. It's snappy! Anyways, the gnome desktop is blank. How do I get it to show my home folder?
[04:33] <JaZy15> places
[04:33] <JaZy15> on top
[04:33] <JaZy15> you can select homefolder
[04:34] <Marble2> uh JaZy15  and randabis, i booted to recovery console and ran fixmbr and now lilo is messed uo
[04:34] <Marble2> *up
[04:34] <JaZy15> yeah cuz it replaced your mbr
[04:34] <isai> yes, I know, I did that but I want an icon on my desktop where I can click on to show the home folder.
[04:34] <Marble2> I don't get a lilo menu. just L 9A9A9A9A and then more 9As, I'm on a knoppix livecd
[04:34] <Marble2> JaZy15, well how do I get it so it doesnt error, but lilo works?
[04:34] <johndoher> output: "JThis is a pre-release.../XFree86 Version 4.3.0.1 (Ubuntu 4.3.0.dfsg.16ubuntu25.220050316093857 root@king.warthogs.hbd.com)/Rls date: 15 Aug 2003/............. Build OS: Linux 2.6.8.1x86_64 [ELF] /............... Module Loader Present"
[04:35] <JaZy15> well setup lilo again
[04:35] <Marble2> oaky
[04:35] <Marble2> then will windows work too?
[04:35] <JaZy15> if you setup the windows portion right
[04:35] <usual> does anyone use mp3's in k3b?
[04:35] <JaZy15> read the faq on lilo and it should tell you the normal lilo dual boot conf
[04:35] <Marble2> how will I setup the windows partiton right
[04:35] <Marble2> okay
[04:35] <johndoher> is my problem b/c of my Geforce 6600?  I've read that it has problems w/ linux.
[04:36] <JaZy15> no you shouldn't have to.. unless you got rid of your windows partition (i'm assuming windows is already installed)
[04:36] <Marble2> I shouldn't have to what?
[04:36] <Marble2> and yes, it's already installed
[04:37] <eclipse> anyone is having problems with the lastest KDE?
[04:37] <rdw200169> geforce doesn't have problems, i have one
[04:38] <rdw200169> MSI GeForce 6600 GTOC
[04:38] <rdw200169> using the package nvidia-glx from hoary 5.04
[04:38] <johndoher> ah.  So what's this x free problem I'm having do you think?
[04:38] <suix> hi
[04:39] <grohk> is there a place I can look for the status of a particular package?
[04:39] <johndoher> (oh btw, I'm using a 6600 pcie)
[04:39] <suix> I've problems with 3d in Nvidia with hoary
[04:39] <rdw200169> yup, i got the same
[04:39] <rdw200169> does your xserver crash after install?
[04:39] <suix> who?
[04:40] <rdw200169> johndoher and suix
[04:40] <AndyFitz> mxpxpod,  its because it looks like the icon names have just changed
[04:40] <johndoher> not sure if it "crashes".  the command-line login is on the screen, then it blinks twice, and then the popup comes up with the above message
[04:40] <AndyFitz> find out what its changed to and rename your icons to that ;)
[04:40] <johndoher> "I cannot start the X server... likely because it's not set up correctly... view the X server output to diagnose?"
[04:40] <usual> hi AndyFitz
[04:40] <geneo93> no
[04:40] <rdw200169> johndoher and suix: i had the same problem
[04:41] <rdw200169> johndoher and suix: i had the same proble
[04:41] <suix> nops
[04:41] <rdw200169> johndoher and suix: the problem is xf86 drivers don't recognize your card
[04:41] <mxpxpod> AndyFitz: where can I find that out? (it looks like it's just a ppc issue... my brother's freshly installed ubuntu on i386 works fine)
[04:41] <rdw200169> johndoher and suix: after xserver sends you back to the login...
[04:41] <AndyFitz> has he updated  ?
[04:41] <suix> If I try to doa glxgears I get a Segmentation fault
[04:41] <AndyFitz> is he using hoary ?
[04:41] <mxpxpod> AndyFitz: of course on both counts
[04:41] <eclipse> anyone is having problems with the lastest KDE?
[04:41] <AndyFitz> these changes are fairly recent
[04:42] <mxpxpod> AndyFitz: ok, they might not have come over to ppc yet
[04:42] <punkrockguy318> suix, same here. do you get a permission errors?
[04:42] <JaZy15> eclipse what problems you getting
[04:42] <rdw200169> johndoher and suix: you guys are using hoary, right?
[04:42] <mxpxpod> I'll wait a day
[04:42] <suix> yup
[04:42] <yfir> eclipse: try #kubuntu
[04:42] <johndoher> warty
[04:42] <AndyFitz> mxpxpod,  yeah most likely..  its shouldnt be long
[04:42] <johndoher> warty x86_64
[04:42] <mxpxpod> AndyFitz: oh, did they scrap the polypaudio thing for hoary?
[04:43] <rdw200169> johndoher: you should get the x86_64 nvidia script from nvidia.com
[04:43] <eclipse> JaZy15, it keeps locking the system and i can't do anything however i can still move the cursor
[04:43] <geneo93> no
[04:43] <JaZy15> oh crappy. i didn't have that problem : /
[04:43] <rdw200169> johndoher: this is the file you need on the website... NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-7174-pkg2.run
[04:44] <eclipse> after i upgraded my nvidia driver
[04:44] <rdw200169> johndoher: run it from the tty interface after xserver crashes and it will install the drivers you need
[04:44] <johndoher> Oh.  Thanks.  I'll give it a go.
[04:44] <AndyFitz> mxpxpod:  I have no idea, sorry
[04:44] <rdw200169> suix: did you install the nvidia-glx package?
[04:44] <mxpxpod> AndyFitz: that's ok
[04:45] <mxpxpod> AndyFitz: thanks for the other answers
[04:45] <suix> yup
[04:45] <eclipse> well i don't think it's the nvidia driver cause right now i'm running xfce and it's been working fine
[04:45] <Broncho> when trying to unrar a .rar I right click on the file and hit extract here. It errors out saying it failed to open the file(I tried with multiple times with differnt files) and I do have unrar installed. Anyone know how to fix this
[04:45] <rdw200169> suix: did you run nvidia-glx-config?
[04:45] <suix> nope
[04:45] <rdw200169> suix: that should fix all your  problems
[04:45] <Marble2> okay, randabis and JaZy15, are you here?
[04:46] <suix> ok
[04:46] <suix> thanks
[04:46] <mxpxpod> I couldn't believe how easy it was to set up my bro's nvidia under ubuntu
[04:46] <rdw200169> suix: you have to do that after installing nvidia-glx to get all the 3d features :)
[04:46] <AndyFitz> mxpxpod: all good...hey  your nick is familiar..  is it an ID software cheat code perhaps ?
[04:46] <jax_innh> can somebody assist me with video modes durring setup
[04:46] <JaZy15> i am
[04:46] <mxpxpod> AndyFitz: heh, no
[04:46] <punkrockguy318> I'm getting errors segfaults when I run glxgears as well with nvidia and hoary
[04:46] <punkrockguy318> AndyFitz, heh iddqd idkfa idclip :-D
[04:47] <rdw200169> punkrockguy318: did YOU run nvidia-glx-config?
[04:47] <AndyFitz> idspispopd
[04:47] <Marble2> JaZy15: I ran fixmbr in recovery console and it hosed lilo, so I had to boot to knoppix livecd and run lilo. Now I can boot back to linux, but Windows still gives me NTLDR errors
[04:47] <punkrockguy318> rdw200169, yes
[04:47] <Marble2> what am I doing wrong?
[04:47] <punkrockguy318> rdw200169, glxgears tells me my permissions are too restrictive
[04:47] <rdw200169> punkrockguy318: what video card?
[04:47] <JaZy15> your lilo config is wrong
[04:47] <Marble2> what part
[04:47] <punkrockguy318> rdw200169, geforce 4 mmx
[04:47] <mxpxpod> AndyFitz: I guess they did scrap polypaudio... I wonder why
[04:47] <rdw200169> punkrockguy318: oh@
[04:47] <rdw200169> punkrockguy318: oh!
[04:47] <JaZy15> i'm not sure google
[04:47] <JaZy15> it
[04:47] <Marble2> my boot=/dev/hda which would overwrite the windows mbr right? But windows is on /dev/hdc
[04:48] <JaZy15> yeah
[04:48] <Marble2> so they shouldn't be overwriting eachother
[04:48] <JaZy15> but mbr is always on hda
[04:48] <rdw200169> punkrockguy318: never seen that before... did you run glxgears as root?
[04:48] <Marble2> there can only be one mbr?
[04:48] <punkrockguy318> rdw200169, it runs as root.. and it runs when you chmod a+rwx /dev/nvidia*
[04:48] <rdw200169> Marble2: one per hard drive
[04:48] <Marble2> yea
[04:49] <Marble2> so why isnt windows writing it's mbr to /dev/hdc
[04:49] <Marble2> so they would not conflict
[04:49] <punkrockguy318> rdw200169, but when I reboot my changes are lost.. and the udev rule i set isn't working...
[04:49] <geneo93> heh i have one on each drive
[04:49] <punkrockguy318> rdw200169, but this should work out of the box
[04:49] <JaZy15> cuz your loader is the only thing needed on mbr
[04:49] <Marble2> huh?
[04:49] <Marble2> what loader, lilo?
[04:50] <geneo93> lilo directs traffic
[04:50] <Marble2> right
[04:50] <rdw200169> punkrockguy318: you're using the latest hoary?
[04:50] <punkrockguy318> rdw200169, yes
[04:50] <rdw200169> punkrockguy318: haven't tried it yet... i'm still on the preview from last week...
[04:50] <Marble2> and it's set to "direct" windows to /dev/hdc1 and linux to /dev/hda. The boot device is /dev/hda
[04:50] <Marble2> what is wong?
[04:51] <JaZy15> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+WinNT.html
[04:51] <JaZy15> try that Marble2
[04:51] <Marble2> okay
[04:51] <rdw200169> punkrockguy318: i'm waiting until april 8 to get the final... perhaps they'll put in kernel 2.6.11.6 by then :)
[04:51] <JaZy15> yeah lilo just tells your machine what too boo
[04:51] <JaZy15> boot*
[04:51] <Marble2> JaZy15: that guide only for installing, and it only covers nt and 2000, I have xp
[04:52] <rdw200169> punkrockguy318: are you having usb mount problems?
[04:52] <punkrockguy318> rdw200169, heh i doubt it... you can optionally install it but it's quite unstable
[04:52] <punkrockguy318> rdw200169, i haven't mounted any usb
[04:52] <JaZy15> same shit
[04:52] <JaZy15> Marble2
[04:52] <JaZy15> brb
[04:52] <JaZy15> just google it.. google will tell you how the lilo config is supposed to look like
[04:52] <rdw200169> punkrockguy318: i've had a nightmare with 2.6.10.4...
[04:53] <rdw200169> punkrockguy318: running 2.6.11.6 right now anyway!..
[04:54] <punkrockguy318> heh
[04:54] <rdw200169> punkrockguy318: the developers are trying a lot of security things for the final release
[04:55] <punkrockguy318> rdw200169, yeah, hopefully they'll fix the fork bomb vulnerablilies
[04:55] <eclipse> how do i install gnome without openoffice.org?
[04:56] <regeya_> !
[04:56] <rdw200169> punkrockguy318: like /.dev/ but 10 times better/worse
[04:56] <Marble2> JaZy15: you back? I googled around but I'm still confused
[04:56] <hybrid> install gnome then remove oo
[04:56] <eclipse> well i could do that
[04:56] <regeya_> !!
[04:57] <hybrid> eclipse :P
[04:57] <rdw200169> punkrockguy318: perhaps theres a difference between nvidia-glx and the new configurations they've made in udev
[04:57] <punkrockguy318> rdw200169, yeah.. hopefully they'll work that out as well before the release
[04:58] <rdw200169> punkrockguy318: i'm hoping they're going to work a lot of other stuff out...
[04:58] <punkrockguy318> rdw200169, i don't think they'll get all this stuff worked out in a week...
[04:58] <eclipse> is there any way i can put the icons on xfce desktop?
[04:59] <jeffreyj> can anyone help me set up visual boy advance for a gamepad?
[05:00] <punkrockguy318> eclipse, yeah, check out xfdesktop
[05:00] <punkrockguy318> eclipse, oh wait.. nevermind
[05:00] <punkrockguy318> eclipse, fbdesktop?
[05:00] <eclipse> punkrockguy318, is that like xfce?
[05:00] <punkrockguy318> eclipse, it's a fluxbox program for desktop icons but it should work on xfce
[05:01] <eclipse> ok, thanx
[05:01] <punkrockguy318> there's probably a package in universe
[05:02] <computerguy867> has anyone tried to install HPLIP yet?
[05:02] <Marble2> JaZy15: you here?
[05:02] <JaZy15> kinda
[05:03] <niran> computerguy867, i installed it, but i havent tested it yet
[05:03] <Marble2> okay, I googled around and I'm still confused
[05:03] <computerguy867> were you able to install it without removing ubuntu desktop?
[05:03] <Marble2> from what I've gathered, the mbr for windows (which should be on /dev/hdc) is corrupt and that's why windows won't bootup?
[05:03] <JaZy15> did you find anything about adding windows
[05:04] <Marble2> not really
[05:04] <jeffreyj> can someone help me get a gamepad to work with visualboyadvnace?
[05:04] <niran> computerguy867, yeah
[05:04] <computerguy867> how?
[05:04] <Marble2> but when I ran fixmbr in recovery console, it messed up lilo, which leads me to belive they are both using the same mbr or something
[05:04] <Marble2> so how do I make windows use it's own mbr on it's own partition
[05:04] <niran> computerguy867, it didn't ask me to remove it. what other packages is it removing?
[05:04] <computerguy867> it wants to remove some footmatic package and in in turn ubuntu-desktop
[05:04] <niran> oh
[05:05] <niran> update your sources
[05:05] <niran> then try again
[05:05] <computerguy867> i did
[05:05] <niran> oh.
[05:05] <HappyPills> hehe, going to install kqemu in a second
[05:05] <JaZy15> mbr is just Master boot recorder
[05:05] <JaZy15> record
[05:05] <niran> computerguy867, ah, i already had it uninstalle
[05:05] <JaZy15> it is the first thing that get's loaded
[05:05] <niran> d
[05:05] <EMan> Whats the name of the executable that is the GUI interface for Samba?
[05:05] <JaZy15> thus your lilo is on thre (to load linux) and windows creates it's own
[05:05] <JaZy15> you installed lilo
[05:06] <JaZy15> so now you just need to tell lilo how to start windows
[05:06] <computerguy867> ubuntu-desktop is important for dist upgrades
[05:06] <Marble2> which I have done
[05:06] <computerguy867> i think
[05:06] <geneo93> Marble2:  there is only space for one or the other
[05:06] <Marble2> but when it goes to start windows, it finds the mbr corrupt/absent
[05:06] <Marble2> geneo93: I thought I could have one per drive
[05:06] <Marble2> and the linux mbr and windows mbr should be on different drives
[05:06] <eclipse> anyone know how to turn off the animation in gnome when minimizing?
[05:07] <geneo93> lilo on first drive that boot then what ever after that
[05:07] <osity> how do i remove a user from a group?
[05:07] <JaZy15> now the mbr is on the drive
[05:07] <Marble2> which drive
[05:07] <JaZy15> use grub it has a better walk through for installing on windows
[05:08] <Marble2> I can never get grub to work
[05:08] <computerguy867> oh well, i guess i just report the problem
[05:08] <Marble2> Ive tried alot
[05:08] <geneo93> osity:  kill him
[05:08] <osity> stop showering ,.....instant grub
[05:08] <maddler> goddamn... it's 5AM!
[05:08] <JaZy15> well i've never used lilo sorry
[05:08] <osity> nanana....
[05:08] <Marble2> okay
[05:08] <JaZy15> i've only used grub
[05:08] <JaZy15> ..
[05:08] <maddler> and noone told me!
[05:08] <maddler> :)
[05:08] <osity> what the command?
[05:08] <JaZy15> : /
[05:08] <JaZy15> 9 pm here maddler
[05:08] <Marble2> if I got a dos boot cd and ran fdisk /mbr would that fix it?
[05:08] <JaZy15> yes
[05:08] <geneo93> grub wont see reiserfs4 though
[05:08] <JaZy15> to boot windows
[05:09] <Marble2> wait
[05:09] <Marble2> so it would mess lilo up?
[05:09] <JaZy15> your lilo would be gone therefore it wouldn't boot lilo
[05:09] <niran> computerguy867, ubuntu-desktop is nice to have around, but i don't think it changes all that much
[05:09] <Marble2> grrr
[05:09] <JaZy15> yes
[05:09] <circuit_rider> osity: edit /etc/group
[05:09] <JaZy15> lilo resides on /dev/hda (mbr)
[05:09] <Marble2> how cna I keep lilo, but still be able to boot to linux and windows, with windows working
[05:09] <Marble2> right
[05:09] <Marble2> and the windows mbr would reside on /dev/hdc
[05:09] <JaZy15> it has to do with the lilo config
[05:09] <kurros> eclipse: if you turn on /apps/metacity/general/reduced_resources in the configuration editor it will disable animations, among other things. i dont know if there is an option for just animation
[05:09] <computerguy867> i know, it wont effect anything until the next upgrade in 6 months
[05:09] <niran> computerguy867, so if you have the latest ubuntu-desktop, you can go ahead and install hplip, just reinstall ubuntu-desktop after the final release comes out to pick up any additions
[05:09] <Marble2> :(, maybe I'll find someone to help me who uses lilo
[05:09] <niran> computerguy867, right
[05:10] <computerguy867> ok
[05:10] <computerguy867> ill do that
[05:10] <computerguy867> thanks
[05:10] <osity> circuit_rider: that's not working for me....can you elaborate
[05:11] <Marble2> JaZy15: do you know if there is a difference between fixmbr and fdisk /mbr ?
[05:11] <osity> circuit_rider: i accidentally  Added user data to group rui...
[05:11] <computerguy867> for those of you who are using hoary, did you experience any freezing in firefox/mozilla after doing one of the recent updates
[05:11] <JaZy15> fixmbr is a recover console cmd
[05:11] <osity> how do i revese
[05:11] <Marble2> right
[05:11] <Marble2> but do they do the same thing
[05:11] <computerguy867> it was discovered by some other people in the forums today
[05:12] <hammanrj> hi
[05:12] <circuit_rider> so in /etc/group you should see rui:X:yyy:data just remove the user name from that line
[05:12] <hammanrj> can some one help me?
[05:12] <JaZy15> pertty much Marble2
[05:13] <Marble2> ugh
[05:13] <Marble2> i'm stumped
[05:13] <JaZy15> sorry man i don't use lilo
[05:13] <JaZy15> ..
[05:13] <Marble2> can anyone here who uses lilo help me out with setting up the mbr's for windows and linux correctly so I can dual boot please?
[05:14] <JaZy15> http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/grub-w2k-HOWTO.html
[05:14] <JaZy15> that's a walk through on grub
[05:14] <JaZy15> dual boot
[05:14] <JaZy15> use it
[05:14] <DonL> Marble2, I don't use lilo anymore and haven't for a while, but I remember every time a change was made, you had to make sure to go to a terminal and type "lilo" for it to take
[05:15] <JaZy15> yeah you have to env-update also
[05:15] <Marble2> i've been soing that
[05:15] <JaZy15> to update that enviorment
[05:15] <Marble2> *doing
[05:15] <JaZy15> also i think.
[05:15] <Marble2> env-update?
[05:15] <JaZy15> grub man that's the way to go
[05:15] <JaZy15> grub has the self install also.
[05:15] <DonL> Way better in my opinion
[05:15] <JaZy15> yeah DonL
[05:15] <JaZy15> i'd agree
[05:16] <computerguy867> so no problems here with firefox/mozilla?
[05:16] <DonL> I'm still on Warty. Will be for a while I think
[05:16] <JaZy15> mines been running great computerguy867
[05:16] <computerguy867> on hoary?
[05:16] <JaZy15> i was heard on monday hoary will be relases
[05:16] <JaZy15> d
[05:17] <computerguy867> on hoary JaZy?
[05:17] <JaZy15> yes
[05:17] <computerguy867> hmmm...
[05:17] <computerguy867> ok
[05:18] <hammanrj> well, i just installed ubuntu and it works fine, but i cant boot into windows using the grub boot-loader, i press enter on windows, but it won't load
[05:18] <hammanrj> can some one plz help
[05:18] <maddler> stop using windows? :)
[05:18] <HappyPills> what partition is windows on?
[05:18] <DonL> Sorry, hammanrj , been years since I dual-booted
[05:18] <maddler> ok... sorry...
[05:18] <maddler> :)
[05:18] <hammanrj> hda 1
[05:19] <hammanrj> or maybe 0
[05:19] <HappyPills> type sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.1st &
[05:19] <HappyPills> and tell me what the commands for the windows partition are
[05:20] <hammanrj> it says : title		Windows NT/2000/XP
[05:20] <hammanrj> root		(hd0,0)
[05:20] <hammanrj> savedefault
[05:20] <hammanrj> makeactive
[05:20] <hammanrj> chainloader	+1
[05:20] <mark_> Hi - I'm brand-new here, so be gentle...<g>
[05:20] <computerguy867> hammanrj install grub on the root partition and then point the windows mbr to grub/lilo on that partition
[05:20] <hammanrj> how do i do that?
[05:21] <DonL> Welcome, mark_
[05:21] <ifrflyer> Hi, all.
[05:21] <SuperQ> hi
[05:21] <Marble2> can anyone here who uses lilo help me out with setting up the mbr's for windows and linux correctly so I can dual boot please?
[05:21] <computerguy867> http://www.littlewhitedog.com/content-52.html
[05:22] <computerguy867> follow that link! Its great
[05:22] <SuperQ> Marble2: don't use lilo
[05:22] <computerguy867> do it that way
[05:22] <Marble2> everyone complains about lilo, but I cant get grub working
[05:22] <ifrflyer> Hope someone can help - I have hoary live on ppc and everything works great except the mouse, which doesn't work at all...
[05:22] <computerguy867> grub and lilo will sometimes have problems with NTFS
[05:22] <DonL> Marble2, apparently lilo is a problem too
[05:22] <Marble2> at least lilo installs
[05:23] <DonL> ahh
[05:23] <hammanrj>  how do I " install grub on the root partition and then point the windows mbr to grub/lilo on that partition"
[05:23] <DonL> Marble2, as far as I can remember, I didn't have to install Grub. It just came with the distro
[05:23] <computerguy867> hammanrj: http://www.littlewhitedog.com/content-52.html
[05:23] <computerguy867> this tells you how
[05:23] <mark_> Tried to find a "netiquette" for IRC, failed, if I screw up, please tell me...
[05:23] <hammanrj> ok
[05:24] <computerguy867> worked for me
[05:24] <SuperQ> ifrflyer: what PPC machine?
[05:24] <ifrflyer> 17" powerbook 1.67/1gb ram
[05:24] <SuperQ> ifrflyer: I've heard of some newer powerbook trackpads simply not working
[05:24] <computerguy867> it says windows 2000 but it works with xp also
[05:24] <ifrflyer> that's mine!
[05:24] <JaZy15> for kde i just install apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[05:25] <computerguy867> they both use the NT loader
[05:25] <SuperQ> ifrflyer: sorry, I guess you're SOL for the trackpad, have to wait for trackpad support drivers to be written
[05:25] <JaZy15> Marble2 win xp should be the same as NT and up
[05:25] <SuperQ> ifrflyer: an external USB mouse would work
[05:25] <SuperQ> ifrflyer: or a bluetooth mouse could work, never tried it tho
[05:25] <ifrflyer> Ah. This is the same for the full install as well as the live then, SuperQ?
[05:25] <Marble2> DonL: it failed on install when ubuntu installed
[05:25] <Marble2> i know JaZy15
[05:25] <DonL> Oh. I see.
[05:25] <SuperQ> ifrflyer: yea, it's a "apple used something new and unsupported" problem
[05:26] <Marble2> I think grub and my computer are cursed, I can't even get it installed now
[05:26] <DonL> Marble2, that's really weird
[05:26] <JaZy15> drink a beer and try again Marble2
[05:26] <ifrflyer> That's a real bummer. And precisely why I want to burn OSX - I'm done with Apple and their nonstandard but pretty fixes!
[05:26] <SuperQ> JaZy15: heh
[05:26] <ifrflyer> Thanks so much for the help.
[05:26] <SuperQ> np
[05:26] <SuperQ> sorry we couldn't fix it
[05:26] <HappyPills> go straight to the spirits Marble2, more relaxing
[05:26] <SuperQ> I heard this was a problem with yellowdog as well
[05:26] <ifrflyer> Me too, believe me! Any ideas of other distros which might do the trick on my ppc?
[05:26] <ifrflyer> You took woirds from my mouth
[05:27] <Marble2> I've tried lots, I finally got grub installed but when I try to set it up, I just get more errors
[05:27] <JaZy15> ifrflyer i use gentoo ppc
[05:27] <DonL> Maybe we'll have to come up with Mubuntu for Macs
[05:27] <ifrflyer> 'Ah!
[05:27] <SuperQ> ifrflyer: check the yellowdog support info
[05:27] <HappyPills> w00tage, 24 minutes until windows XP is installed via qemu, it's been like that for half the day
[05:27] <JaZy15> ubuntu works on ppc
[05:27] <JaZy15> qemu ?
[05:27] <JaZy15> HappyPills what is it
[05:27] <JaZy15> ?
[05:27] <ifrflyer> I'll have a look. at both. . . JaZy, I'm on a ppc and the mouse won't work. . .
[05:27] <JaZy15> boo
[05:28] <HappyPills> it's a pc emulator program
[05:28] <JaZy15> nice
[05:28] <JaZy15> what's the min to run it
[05:28] <JaZy15> ?
[05:28] <HappyPills> depends on what you want to install
[05:28] <SuperQ> I need to sneak in and install ubuntu ppc on one of our Power4 boxes at work
[05:28] <HappyPills> apparently windows 95 gives you near native speeds when running it through qemu
[05:28] <JaZy15> hrm
[05:28] <JaZy15> not to shabby
[05:28] <JaZy15> it's kinda like wine ?
[05:29] <ifrflyer> Well, I'm pretty bummed by all this.  Have a good night folks. . .
[05:29] <DonL> Wow. Almost as fast as Windows 95?
[05:29] <yfir> anyone here using xfce with ubunutu?
[05:29] <LeeJunFan> and twice the crashes! :)
[05:29] <LeeJunFan> better than advertized.
[05:30] <SuperQ> so is the ubuntu-artwork going to get replaced for -release?
[05:30] <HappyPills> however windows xp is proving to be extremely slow through qemu
[05:30] <HappyPills> I'm thinking of aborting the install and finding an old 95/98 cd
[05:31] <Whiffle> crazy
[05:31] <randabis> heh
[05:31] <SuperQ> Whiffle: not me, i'm sane
[05:31] <Whiffle> thats what you think
[05:31] <Whiffle> :)
[05:31] <HappyPills> I'll put up a screenshot of what it's currently at
[05:31] <DonL> HappyPills, maybe MS is busy checking your system with XP
[05:31] <JaZy15> should i run an apt-get dist-upgrade before installing kde
[05:31] <JaZy15> ..
[05:31] <HappyPills> DonL: ??
[05:31] <Whiffle> i'm looking forward to the day when I can get windows completely off my computer
[05:31] <DonL> Don't they do that now with XP?
[05:32] <JaZy15> Whiffle oh yeah
[05:32] <SuperQ> Whiffle: what's stopping you?
[05:32] <HappyPills> oh... *cough* not the way I install it
[05:32] <JaZy15> counting down the numbers..
[05:32] <Whiffle> school
[05:32] <Whiffle> software
[05:32] <JaZy15> me too Whiffle
[05:32] <randabis> Whiffle: heh that happened for me months ago now :)
[05:32] <mark_> HappyPills: I just did a reinstall of XP on my laptop, and once I got rid of all the vendor cruft, it wasn't that bad.
[05:32] <JaZy15> :(
[05:32] <HappyPills> http://img1.picsplace.to/img1/5/1471/qemu.png
[05:32] <Marble2> So, anyone here using lilo willing to help me out?
[05:32] <randabis> JaZy15: kubuntu-desktop for kde, remember that :)
[05:32] <Whiffle> i have to do some stupid online math homework thing, it will only run in windows, with IE6.
[05:32] <kpeterson> Can anyone help me set up a vsftp server?  Everything is running ok and I can see my server at ftp://localhost and even ftp://myip but when people outside my network try to connect, I get issues.
[05:32] <JaZy15> heh yeah
[05:33] <JaZy15> randabis seems to be working okay after the install.
[05:33] <DonL> I must say, my wife's XP works pretty well, but sometimes it just starts communicating with somebody for minutes at a time
[05:33] <JaZy15> synaptic
[05:33] <Whiffle> kpeterson, what kind of issues?
[05:33] <JaZy15> that is
[05:33] <randabis> JaZy15: great :)
[05:33] <randabis> brb doing a new ubuntu install on my laptop
[05:33] <HappyPills> oh I have nothing against xp, I just require one program in XP to run and multiple programs in linux
[05:33] <JaZy15> kpeterson do you have the port open on router?
[05:33] <HappyPills> so I decided to try emulating it
[05:33] <kpeterson> Jazy15 yes
[05:33] <kpeterson> whiffle hold on
[05:34] <Whiffle> XP pisses me off whenever I have to run it
[05:34] <yfir> good luck folks
[05:34] <DonL> HappyPills, I like to experiment too.
[05:34] <JaZy15> is there a special command for isntalling xfce like kde?
[05:34] <HappyPills> has anyone here succesfully installed kqemu?
[05:34] <DonL> Whiffle, yes, me too. I figure there must be something I can run on my Linux box that will work as well
[05:34] <kpeterson> Whiffle, this is what happened when I tried to connect form another terminal outside my network: Connected to 12.216.13.48.
[05:34] <kpeterson> 220 (vsFTPd 2.0.1)
[05:34] <kpeterson> 530 Please login with USER and PASS.
[05:34] <kpeterson> 530 Please login with USER and PASS.
[05:34] <kpeterson> KERBEROS_V4 rejected as an authentication type
[05:34] <kpeterson> Name (12.216.13.48:petersok): KP
[05:34] <kpeterson> 530 This FTP server is anonymous only.
[05:34] <kpeterson> Login failed.
[05:35] <SuperQ> JaZy84: probably just apt-get install xfce
[05:35] <JaZy84> nice
[05:35] <JaZy84> thanks
[05:35] <Whiffle> weird....
[05:35] <JaZy84> well gotta run to grocery store brb
[05:35] <mark_> I should add that I run XP for fax capability - show me a FOSS prog that'll do it & I'm outtathere...
[05:35] <Whiffle> hmm
[05:36] <Whiffle> you have the oposite problem i had, i couldn't get it do do anonymous..
[05:36] <DonL> yup, XFCE is in my Synaptic
[05:36] <inva|id> has anyone seen this error from kcron when trying to set a job to silent:
[05:36] <inva|id> "/tmp/kde-beau/kcronDgtcwa.tmp":1: bad minute
[05:36] <inva|id> errors in crontab file, can't install.
[05:36] <kingsley> How many inodes does mkfs.ext2 make by default?
[05:36] <kpeterson> Whiffle, earlier it was not working at all, so i had to add something to my .conf (pasv_promiscous_allow or something) and now it works from within my network but not outside
[05:37] <kdp> does firefox crash when printing a page for anyone?
[05:37] <Whiffle> lemme install vsftp quick, i havn't used it in a while
[05:37] <mark_> Can I ask a fairly long question here?
[05:37] <SuperQ> mark_: sure
[05:38] <DonL> kdp, is it a local printer?
[05:38] <kdp> DonL: yes
[05:38] <randabis> just waiting on packages
[05:38] <kdp> DonL: i dont even get a dialog, it just quits unexpectedly
[05:38] <DonL> No. FF only crashes for me sometimes when I open a file using RealPlayer
[05:39] <kdp> and i needed that receipt :-(
[05:39] <DonL> Oh no
[05:40] <mark_> Okay - I have a desktop running Hoary & W2K, a laptop running XP & Hoary - is there a way I can make them talk to each other?  Sharing a common NetGear RP-614 router/firewall/thingie...
[05:40] <Whiffle> mark_, samba
[05:40] <randabis> samba for XP and 2k; nfs for hoary
[05:40] <DonL> Yes, mark_  shouldn't be too bad
[05:40] <randabis> and ssh
[05:41] <mark_> Whiffle: will Samba serve for the Linux side?
[05:41] <Whiffle> as in?
[05:41] <randabis> mark_: samba "can" work linux to linux, but you should really use NFS
[05:41] <SuperQ> mark_: yea.. samba will work just fine
[05:41] <SuperQ> mark_: if you want to simplify things
[05:41] <randabis> NFS is much easier to setup (and faster) between linux boxes
[05:42] <Whiffle> kepeterson, I can't find that option in the config..
[05:42] <randabis> windows to linux would have to use samba
[05:42] <mark_> Can someone point point me at a "simple, dumb & stupid" doc for doing this?
[05:43] <randabis> mark_: the ubuntu wiki has some guides
[05:43] <randabis> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[05:43] <randabis> search tool is a godsend
[05:43] <SuperQ> mark_: mark_ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[05:44] <Marble2> Does anyone here use lilo and dual boot windows and linux? I'm having some problems and need help. Also, please don't tell me to use grub
[05:44] <DonL> randabis, funny - I've never been able to access my linux box from the two windows machines here, but it works fine the other way. I can see both of them
[05:44] <kpeterson> Whiffle its not listed in there by default, but it works
[05:44] <Whiffle> Marble2, I do, but I cheat...my bios has a built in boot menu..
[05:44] <randabis> DonL: it's tricky :/ windows networking sucks
[05:44] <Marble2> oh
[05:44] <DonL> I've learned to get by without it.
[05:45] <mark_> I know, I've tried googling - there's lot's of "blind alleys" there...thatks, I'll try the suggestions.
[05:45] <randabis> Marble2: perhaps describing the problem would produce better results
[05:45] <Whiffle> kpeterson, I just disabled anonymous_enable=yes and now I can log into myself locally, im going to try over the internet next
[05:46] <SuperQ> Whiffle: one of the pitfalls of accessing samba, is it has a separate password database
[05:46] <Marble2> I get "NTLDR is missing" when I boot Windows from the lilo menu, but when I tried doing fixmbr from a windows recovery console, it messed up my lilo settings. Why are they conflicting, and how can I use lilo and stop getting the windows error?
[05:47] <Whiffle> SuperQ, yeah we're working FTP though :D
[05:47] <SuperQ> FTP is evil
[05:47] <SuperQ> use winscp/ssh
[05:48] <PacoBCN> hehe, nice one. qparted can't find file system of an external drive but I can save files on it :S
[05:48] <SuperQ> (you just need to install openssh-server)
[05:48] <randabis> Marble2: when you ran fixmbr, could you boot windows?
[05:48] <SuperQ> there is no messing around with config files
[05:48] <Marble2> no
[05:48] <Marble2> it acted like lilo wanted to load, but I just got L 9A9A9A9A9A9A9A99A and not lilo menu
[05:48] <DonL> Marble2, that's strange
[05:48] <randabis> Marble2: sounds like windows is broken
[05:48] <SuperQ> Marble2: btw.. what does your partition layout look like?
[05:49] <SuperQ> it sounds like a partition problem
[05:49] <mark_> OK, is there an NFS primer someone can point me to?
[05:49] <Marble2> 3 hard drives, /dev/hda which has 4 partitions, #4 being the linux one, drive /dev/hdc having one partition, this is the windows install
[05:49] <randabis> partition problem is a possibility
[05:50] <SuperQ> mark_: there isn't much to it
[05:50] <Marble2> the boot line in lilo.conf is
[05:50] <Marble2> i
[05:50] <Marble2> er
[05:50] <Marble2> boot=/dev/hda
[05:50] <SuperQ> mark_: if you want windows compatability, I suggest you just stick to samba
[05:50] <SuperQ> yea
[05:50] <SuperQ> windows _hates_ not being on /dev/hda
[05:50] <DonL> True
[05:50] <randabis> more specifically
[05:50] <randabis>  /dev/hda1
[05:51] <Marble2> would that be causing the problem?
[05:51] <SuperQ> probably
[05:51] <Marble2> but it was on hdc before with no problems
[05:51] <Marble2> so that doesn't make sense
[05:51] <SuperQ> I dunno
[05:51] <hybrid> *sigh*
[05:51] <Marble2> I think it has to be something with lilo, it was working fine before I started messing with lilo.conf (I was having linux problems)
[05:51] <Marble2> and then I started getting the windows error
[05:51] <randabis> well you can technically install it on any partition, but it plays nicest on the first drive, first partition
[05:52] <SuperQ> randabis: aye
[05:52] <DonL> Yeah. Windows wants to be first
[05:52] <geneo93>     but the window boot sector was on hda
[05:52] <SuperQ> because it assumes it's the only thing there
[05:52] <i0n_st0rm> hello again
[05:52] <mark_> The Windows compatibility is fine, but I also run Ubuntu on my laptop - any suggestions?
[05:52] <Marble2> ahh
[05:52] <randabis> Marble2: sounds like you may need to reconfigure lilo.conf...might I ask why you use lilo?
[05:52] <Marble2> so can i run fixmbr in windows recovery console and get it to write it's boot sector to hdc?
[05:53] <Marble2> randabis: I have had so many problems with grub
[05:53] <i0n_st0rm> anyone had any problems installing nvidia-glx under hoary?
[05:53] <SuperQ> mark_: how much file transfering are we talking about?
[05:53] <Marble2> and I've never been able to get it to work
[05:53] <randabis> Marble2: fair enough
[05:53] <Marble2> :)
[05:53] <SuperQ> mark_: do you need filesystem access, or is just one-or-two file copies what you need?
[05:53] <randabis> i0n_st0rm: nope
[05:53] <i0n_st0rm> hmm
[05:53] <Marble2> so is using fixmbr in the way I want possible?
[05:54] <DonL> Marble2, is it XP/
[05:54] <DonL> ?
[05:54] <mark_> SuperQ:  Just about anything - from docs to executables...
[05:54] <geneo93> Marble2:  whats on hdb
[05:54] <i0n_st0rm> fixmbr from windows repair tools will make your system xp only
[05:54] <Marble2> an empty 160 gig ntfs drive
[05:54] <Marble2> DonL: yes
[05:54] <randabis> I honestly don't know if it is possible to specify that with the recovery console Marble2
[05:54] <i0n_st0rm> then you'll have to re-install grub to get linux to work again
[05:54] <SuperQ> mark_: you could just install openssh-server on the ubuntu machine, and use winscp on windows to grab files
[05:54] <kpeterson> Whiffle sorry I was afk, you still trying to get in locally'
[05:54] <Marble2> jesus
[05:54] <Marble2> fixmbr [device_name
[05:54] <SuperQ> mark_: I'm talking more about quantity, than type of files
[05:54] <geneo93> why ntfs
[05:54] <Marble2> from the windows support
[05:55] <Marble2> i just ran fixmbr
[05:55] <i0n_st0rm> i did a fresh install of ubuntu and upgraded to hoary.. and when i try to install the nvidia drivers i get this:
[05:55] <Marble2> and it assumed to write it to hda right?
[05:55] <i0n_st0rm> Package nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:55] <i0n_st0rm> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[05:55] <i0n_st0rm> is only available from another source
[05:55] <i0n_st0rm> E: Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate
[05:55] <Marble2> and that could be causing my problem, right?
[05:55] <randabis> Marble2: correct
[05:55] <Marble2> sigh
[05:55] <DonL> If I remember correctly, the windows XP disk has a recovery mode on it
[05:55] <Marble2> lets see if this works
[05:55] <Marble2> that's what I used DonL
[05:55] <DonL> Did you use that, Marble2 >
[05:55] <DonL> Oh. Ok
[05:55] <Marble2> I'll be right back, hope this works
[05:55] <i0n_st0rm> he's talking about the recovery mode's fixmbr command
[05:56] <randabis> i0n_st0rm: sounds like a sources.list problem
[05:56] <i0n_st0rm> which writes a fresh windows xp only mbr to hda
[05:56] <hybrid> how can i get the bleed edge software using apt?
[05:56] <mark_> SuperQ:  I think I'm thinking of the MS world with "pcAnywhere" - how about transfer and "take-over" capability?
[05:56] <randabis> i0n_st0rm: fixmbr can write to mbrs of other drivers
[05:56] <i0n_st0rm> randabis: does to me as well, but i'm not seeing where i might be having a problem
[05:56] <randabis> drives
[05:56] <individ_> hi all
[05:56] <SuperQ> mark_: ubuntu uses VNC for remote desktop control
[05:56] <randabis> i0n_st0rm: post sources.list at pastebin or somewhere and I can take a look
[05:57] <geneo93> i0n_st0rm:  all you need is nvidia-glx and that will install all you need
[05:57] <Artemis3> nice little number of users this channel has...
[05:57] <SiRrUs> good evening
[05:57] <randabis> geneo93: his problem is he cannot install the package due to some sort of error
[05:57] <SuperQ> mark_: System::Preferances::Remote Desktop
[05:57] <geneo93> i0n_st0rm:  then nvidia-gxl-config enable
[05:57] <SuperQ> mark_: then goto realvnc.com and download the client
[05:57] <randabis> geneo93: he's aware of how to do it
[05:58] <DonL> I'm amazed at where Ubuntu stand on DistroWatch, and how fast it got there
[05:58] <cg0def> why isn't there any initrd.img file when you compile a custom kernel?
[05:58] <cg0def> how do I get one
[05:58] <i0n_st0rm> geneo93: i know what i need, i did it before, it's simply telling me that nvidia-glx is unavailable :)
[05:58] <randabis> DonL: yeah it's pretty incredible
[05:58] <SuperQ> mark_: for windows
[05:58] <Artemis3> Ubuntu is gaining an big attention...
[05:58] <randabis> cg0def: because you have to create one yourself with mkinitrd
[05:58] <hybrid> sure is
[05:58] <mark_> SuperQ:  So, that's it.. thanks!
[05:58] <randabis> cg0def: might I ask why you are compiling a custom kernel?
[05:58] <cg0def> randabis: thx
[05:58] <hybrid> i wonder why we are just know hitting it big
[05:58] <Artemis3> you should release using bittorrent first ;)
[05:58] <Whiffle2> ive been on ubuntu for exactly a week now :D
[05:58] <SuperQ> mark_: you can also use VNC server for windows
[05:59] <JaZy84> does ubuntu have everything to compile stuff if it needs tood
[05:59] <JaZy84> too..
[05:59] <hybrid> lol
[05:59] <cg0def> randabis: because the drivers that I need are not in the kernel
[05:59] <SuperQ> mark_: VNC is GUI stuff only, no file transfers
[05:59] <JaZy84> cuz isn't apt-get all pkgs
[05:59] <i0n_st0rm> http://www.pastebin.com/266368
[05:59] <cg0def> no support for indigoio
[05:59] <randabis> Artemis3: there are torrents with every release I believe
[05:59] <DonL> Small, Clean, and Fast
[05:59] <individ_> just finished installing ubuntu 5.04 ( wich is so nice btw) the 64bit version, so i was trying to recompile some 2.6.9 kernel when i found out i dont have ncurses-devel installed! now, the apt does not find such package to install ( and i have universe enabled ) and now im stuck ! help plz
[05:59] <randabis> cg0def: that would not require you to compile a new kernel
[05:59] <Artemis3> sure, i mean, before the regular ftp isos
[05:59] <Artemis3> let the torrents out for a while first
[05:59] <JaZy84> individ_ i had same problem
[05:59] <SuperQ> individ_: apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[06:00] <cg0def> randabis: ok so what should I do
[06:00] <DonL> maybe look at other repositories?
[06:00] <individ_> thanks a bunch
[06:00] <SuperQ> np
[06:00] <cg0def> randabis: the drive is in alsa
[06:00] <hybrid> it would be cool if we had repos that used torrents
[06:00] <randabis> cg0def: first of all, what version of ubuntu are you using, and what kernel are you compiling?
[06:00] <mark_> SuperQ:  That's allright, I sometimes just want to get at my data files from work that are at home.  Thanks!
[06:00] <JaZy84> is there a search feature on apt SuperQ?
[06:00] <SuperQ> apt-cache search FOO
[06:01] <geneo93> inva|id:  apt-get build-esensial
[06:01] <randabis> hybrid: that's not feasible
[06:01] <cg0def> randabis: hoary and the kernel is 2.6.10-k7-1
[06:01] <JaZy84> nice
[06:01] <SuperQ> mark_: yea.. http://winscp.sf.net/
[06:01] <JaZy84> thanks.
[06:01] <hybrid> randabis :why?
[06:01] <randabis> i0n_st0rm: just a sec, looking at it now
[06:01] <i0n_st0rm> k
[06:01] <SuperQ> mark_: best windows utilitiy for doing linux file transfers
[06:01] <individ_> SuperQ, it went like a peach thanks again :)
[06:01] <SuperQ> yep
[06:01] <randabis> hybrid: it wouldn't work well without constant seeding
[06:01] <Artemis3> how about filezilla?
[06:02] <Artemis3> i use it all the time..
[06:02] <SuperQ> filezilla?
[06:02] <hybrid> randabis: couldnt we use the ubuntu servers for that
[06:02] <individ_> SuperQ,  where can i find a list of all the possible available packages for ubuntu, so i dont haftue ask people all this sort of questions
[06:02] <randabis> i0n_st0rm: I found your problem
[06:02] <i0n_st0rm> yeah?
[06:02] <JaZy84> filezilla is pimp
[06:02] <JaZy84> it will do ssh transfers
[06:02] <Artemis3> hahaha
[06:02] <JaZy84> for files
[06:02] <i0n_st0rm> randabis: great :)
[06:02] <Artemis3> scp
[06:03] <SuperQ> individ_: haha.. uhh..
[06:03] <PacoBCN> this is so weird, for the first time I was able to create a data dvd without creating first the iso :
[06:03] <PacoBCN> :S
[06:03] <SuperQ> individ_: use synaptic
[06:03] <PacoBCN> I didn't know it was possible
[06:03] <PacoBCN> it writes much much faster!
[06:03] <DonL> individ_, synaptic is what I use too
[06:04] <Marble2> back
[06:04] <SuperQ> individ_: System::Administration::Synaptic Package Manager
[06:04] <i0n_st0rm> randabis: what might my problem be?
[06:04] <tsume> anyone wish to answer with an install problem?
[06:04] <vince_> why am i able to ssh to myself using /localhost but not anywhere else using my ip?
[06:04] <individ_> okey thnks
[06:04] <randabis> i0n_st0rm: I'm about to post a new sources.list for you to use as a reference
[06:04] <tsume> The installer isn't installing grub correctly
[06:04] <Marble2> okay DonL  and randabis, I ran fixmbr correctly and I got rid of the ntldr error, but now I get Invalid Partition Table
[06:04] <Marble2> when I boot to windows
[06:04] <tsume> GRUB
[06:04] <Marble2> :(
[06:04] <i0n_st0rm> randabis: okies :)
[06:04] <tsume> thats it
[06:04] <JaZy84> are you sure you have the right ip vince_
[06:04] <JaZy84> and do you have the server installed
[06:04] <individ_> SuperQ,  is it as reliable as apt ?
[06:04] <vince_> yeah
[06:04] <tsume> its a clean drive, and its not working
[06:04] <SuperQ> vince_: you are trying to ssh TO your ubuntu?
[06:05] <vince_> whenever i type localhost
[06:05] <SuperQ> individ_: it's just a GUI to apt
[06:05] <vince_> in my browser
[06:05] <SuperQ> individ_: works fine
[06:05] <vince_> apache works fine
[06:05] <DonL> Marble2, is there any way you can get into
[06:05] <SuperQ> oh
[06:05] <vince_> or ssh to localhost
[06:05] <vince_> it works fine
[06:05] <Marble2> into?
[06:05] <DonL> Windows at all?
[06:05] <Marble2> no
[06:05] <individ_> ok
[06:05] <JaZy84> and you installed the openssh-server ?
[06:05] <vince_> but when i type in my ip
[06:05] <vince_> yeah
[06:05] <vince_> i think so
[06:05] <vince_> how doi check
[06:05] <SuperQ> vince_: sounds like a network problem
[06:05] <DonL> Marble2, can you not boot with the disk into safe mode or something?
[06:05] <JaZy84> 'apt-get install openssh-server'
[06:05] <i0n_st0rm> this is what i get for copy/pasting from the "additional repo" part of the guide :)
[06:06] <St_Neurion> I need to know where and how to get the Java Runtime Environment (JDE)
[06:06] <vince_> yeah
[06:06] <vince_> its installed
[06:06] <JaZy84> i know sun and blackdown have one.
[06:06] <Artemis3> JRE
[06:06] <SuperQ> St_Neurion: check the wiki
[06:06] <JaZy84> is the machine within your network vince_ ?
[06:06] <vince_> how do i fix it?
[06:06] <St_Neurion> the one on the website says it works for Redhat, SUSE, and JDS
[06:06] <vince_> yeah
[06:06] <vince_> it is
[06:06] <St_Neurion> if I download that, will it work on ubuntu?
[06:06] <JaZy84> you have them all going to router?
[06:06] <SuperQ> Servo888: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingJavaSupport
[06:06] <randabis> i0n_st0rm: http://www.pastebin.com/266371
[06:06] <vince_> yeah
[06:06] <Marble2> oh crap oh crap oh crap
[06:06] <SuperQ> erm
[06:06] <SuperQ> St_Neurion: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingJavaSupport
[06:07] <vince_> everyhthign is connected to the router
[06:07] <JaZy84> gotta open port on router for that machine.
[06:07] <individ_> SuperQ,  dude this is impressive
[06:07] <JaZy84> usually port 22
[06:07] <Marble2> why can't I mount my windows partition
[06:07] <Marble2> even as ro
[06:07] <SuperQ> individ_: what's that?
[06:07] <Whiffle> what filesystem is it?
[06:07] <Whiffle> Marble2,
[06:07] <JaZy84> ntfs
[06:07] <Marble2> is the reason I get Invalid partition table because I hosed my windows install?
[06:07] <vince_> oh
[06:07] <randabis> Marble2: that's what I'm thinking
[06:07] <DonL> Marble2, I could definitely be wrong, but it looks like the problem is Windows
[06:07] <DonL> Snap
[06:08] <randabis> Marble2: you could try a repair install
[06:08] <Marble2> oh crap
[06:08] <individ_> SuperQ,  this Synaptic :)
[06:08] <SuperQ> individ_: heh
[06:08] <St_Neurion> thanks, I should be able to work my way from here
[06:08] <JaZy84> yeah goto your webbrowers type in ip to your router and open port
[06:08] <i0n_st0rm> randabis: thanks :)
[06:08] <Artemis3> start with wincd into recovery mode and run the checks...
[06:08] <Marble2> NTFS-fs error (device hdc1): read_ntfs_boot_sector(): Primary boot sector is inv alid.
[06:08] <Marble2> NTFS-fs error (device hdc1): read_ntfs_boot_sector(): Mount option errors=recove r not used. Aborting without trying to recover.
[06:08] <Marble2> NTFS-fs error (device hdc1): ntfs_fill_super(): Not an NTFS volume.
[06:08] <SuperQ> individ_: things have come a long way since dselect ;)
[06:08] <JaZy84> individ_ i saw it today too! and i was like pimp
[06:08] <Marble2> that doesn't look good
[06:08] <vince_> under port forwarding
[06:08] <vince_> prot triggering?
[06:08] <randabis> Marble2: a repair install will keep your data, but will write a new registry, etc
[06:08] <JaZy84> port forwarding
[06:08] <SuperQ> idaho45: I remember fighting with that crap back when I was using Bo
[06:08] <SuperQ> gah
[06:08] <individ_> JaZy84,  lol
[06:08] <Marble2> okay, how long does a repair install take?
[06:08] <DonL> Lots to lose, Marble2 ?
[06:08] <SuperQ> s/idaho45/individ_/
[06:09] <individ_> SuperQ,  yep it seems they did
[06:09] <randabis> Marble2: about as long as a regular windows install
[06:09] <Artemis3> not repair install, the repair console
[06:09] <Artemis3> or whatever its called
[06:09] <JaZy84> yeah just forward whatever port to the ip of your ssh (ubuntu) box
[06:09] <Marble2> most definitely DonL
[06:09] <DonL> ohoh
[06:10] <Marble2> okay, I have some stuff to do, then I'll try a repair install
[06:10] <DonL> I trashed the family computer the first time I tried to install Linux a long time ago. If it makes you feel better
[06:10] <randabis> Marble2: repair install is about your only option short of backing up your stuff and hosing it
[06:10] <Whiffle> anybody know what program I need to run in windows to connect to ssh with X forwarding in windows?
[06:10] <SuperQ> individ_: ubuntu now provides an update-manager thing as well
[06:10] <Artemis3> haha
[06:10] <vince_> when i enter in my ip address
[06:10] <DonL> I wasn't popular
[06:10] <vince_> do ienter 192.168.0.1
[06:10] <Marble2> randabis: I can't even mount the drive, how can I back it up
[06:10] <Artemis3> thats a fix not a trash
[06:10] <vince_> or
[06:10] <vince_> my real ip
[06:10] <JaZy84> you can enter the external one if you want
[06:10] <SuperQ> ohh.
[06:10] <JaZy84> the internet one.
[06:10] <SuperQ> you might have problems with the external
[06:10] <SuperQ> depending on the router
[06:11] <randabis> Marble2: it's not mountable?!?! uh oh...In that case a repair install may not even fix it
[06:11] <SuperQ> your NAT router might not handle things like that so well
[06:11] <JaZy84> but if you enter the machines ip 192 .168 . * . you wouldn't have to open that port on router usually
[06:11] <Artemis3> thats why i told you to use the repair console and run chkdsk thingies
[06:11] <Marble2> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc1,
[06:11] <Marble2>        missing codepage or other error
[06:11] <individ_> SuperQ,  thats it with random package searchin on google :)
[06:11] <randabis> Marble2: how are you trying to mount it?
[06:11] <Marble2> mount /dev/hdc1
[06:11] <vince_> JaZy84: still no work :(
[06:11] <Marble2> I have a mount folder setup in fstab
[06:11] <randabis> no wonder
[06:11] <Artemis3> mount -t ntfs ?
[06:11] <SuperQ> individ_: sometimes I use http://packages.debian.org/ to search for stuff
[06:11] <SuperQ> individ_: ubuntu needs to borrow their code for that site
[06:12] <randabis> mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc1 /mnt/windows
[06:12] <Marble2> I still get the error
[06:12] <Marble2> with -t
[06:12] <JaZy84> maybe it's on a different port ?
[06:12] <vince_> how do i check
[06:12] <SuperQ> individ_: browse the ubuntu wiki a bit.. lots of good info
[06:12] <JaZy84> that i don't know..
[06:12] <huhe> when i run apt-get update i get the following error:  E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[06:12] <huhe> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[06:12] <randabis> Marble2: ouch
[06:12] <randabis> huhe: use sudo apt-get update
[06:12] <Artemis3> close synaptic ;)
[06:12] <JaZy84> huhe are you root
[06:13] <huhe> thank you
[06:13] <DonL> right. I do that all the time
[06:13] <Marble2> What are the chances the repair install fixes it?
[06:13] <individ_> SuperQ,  thanks for the tip , keep up the good work dude ;)
[06:13] <JaZy84> well your windows system is still there right?
[06:13] <Marble2> And if it doesn't, are there any other recourses to recover my data?
[06:13] <randabis> Marble2: if the partition is damaged (which is likely since you can't mount it), slim to none
[06:13] <Marble2> JaZy84: huh?
[06:13] <Marble2> ouch randabis
[06:13] <Artemis3> Marble2: you blind? boot cd, use the recovery console first!
[06:13] <i0n_st0rm> ah there we go :) thank you kindly, randabis
[06:13] <JaZy84> isn't the drive still good
[06:14] <JaZy84> weren't you just messing around with mbr
[06:14] <randabis> Artemis3: he's already done that
[06:14] <Artemis3> ok...
[06:14] <randabis> Artemis3: the partition isn't even mountable..it's pretty much hosed imho
[06:14] <snakeru> Hello. I'm appeared to be the maintainer of ubuntu package python-xmpp. Somebody created my account in launchpad (probably automatic create). And now I'm trying to take over this account but failing. Where I can ask for help?
[06:14] <Marble2> JaZy84: I get invalid partition table errors now. and I can't mount the drive
[06:14] <robitaille> SuperQ,   http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/  for ubuntu packages
[06:14] <Artemis3> then make a full ubuntu install as "new", thats the best cure ;)
[06:14] <JaZy84> that sucks..
[06:15] <SuperQ> robitaille: schweet!
[06:15] <randabis> Marble2: there are some programs out there, don't know much about them though
[06:15] <DonL> Marble2, you can't get into linux either? Sorry if I missed that
[06:15] <JaZy84> you might be able to recover with the partion magic suite stuff.
[06:15] <Marble2> no no, linux works fine DonL
[06:15] <randabis> Marble2: I believe they involve low-level formatting
[06:15] <JaZy84> i know the partion magic faimly offers a bunch
[06:15] <DonL> Can you see your windows partition in linux?
[06:15] <Marble2> no
[06:15] <Marble2> it won't mount
[06:16] <Artemis3> interesting page
[06:16] <DonL> Not even from within Linux?
[06:16] <Marble2> I'm going to try a repair install later tonight, if that doesn't work, I guess I'll look into data recovery options
[06:16] <Marble2> correct DonL
[06:16] <Arnia> Hmm... can anyone tell me how to completely remove mono from my system so I can attempt to get gnome-sharp recognised again?
[06:16] <DonL> Marble2, have you got a live CD?
[06:16] <Marble2> yes
[06:16] <Marble2> knoppix
[06:16] <DonL> Can you try that?
[06:16] <i0n_st0rm> hmmm.. now i could have sworn that i installed the gnome menu editor
[06:16] <Arnia> I've tried removing it in synaptic and it doesn't solve the issue for some reason :/
[06:17] <Marble2> why would knoppix be able to mount it if ubuntu can't
[06:17] <i0n_st0rm> ok.. i did install it
[06:17] <Marble2> but I guess I could try it. But first, can someone tell me where I can get mkfs.fat32 for ubuntu so that I can format a drive to fat32?
[06:18] <i0n_st0rm> heh.. gotta love user error
[06:18] <DonL> Sometimes the live CD's work for some reason. Can't hurt
[06:18] <Marble2> If it works in knoppix I want to have this drive as fat32 to copy the files to
[06:18] <snakeru> Marble2: you can try parted - it can format fat32
[06:18] <Marble2> parted?
[06:18] <Artemis3> mkdosfs ?
[06:18] <snakeru> yeah
[06:18] <root> Hello ?
[06:18] <Whiffle> hey
[06:19] <Artemis3> root!
[06:19] <root> Hey
[06:19] <huhe> how do i add flash to my ubuntu desktop ?
[06:19] <Artemis3> hehehe
[06:19] <jjpmr52> h
[06:19] <Marble2> forget it, I'll just see if it's there in knoppix first
[06:19] <Marble2> brb
[06:19] <root> So I was wondering, there's no wine for Ubuntu ?! :(
[06:19] <root> I sudo apt-get install wine and yeah. . .
[06:19] <randabis> Marble2: why not just let the windows xp cd do the parititoning?
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> huhe,  http://ubuntuguide.org/
[06:19] <Marble2> huh?
[06:19] <huhe> thank you Dr
[06:19] <Marble2> what partitioning randabis
[06:19] <root> Does anyone know where I may go about getting wine for Ubuntu ?
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> root also see  http://ubuntuguide.org/
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:20] <randabis> Marble2: nvm
[06:20] <Marble2> oh, I see what you mean. it can only do 32gb
[06:20] <SuperQ> root: enable universe/multiverse
[06:20] <SuperQ> root: apt-get install wine
[06:20] <Marble2> for fat32
[06:20] <root> windows 2003 server enterprise deleted my partition table !!!!
[06:20] <root> I did apt-get install wine
[06:20] <SuperQ> root: or use synaptic
[06:20] <root> I was told that another package refers to it but it's not there.
[06:20] <snakeru> randabis: don't you fear that XP will revenge as soon as it discover linux partition?
[06:20] <SuperQ> root: aye
[06:20] <Artemis3> when is that guide going to get updated for hoary???
[06:20] <root> I'm using hoary :(
[06:20] <DonL> brb
[06:20] <root> Should I be using something else instead ?
[06:21] <dash> hi. my ipw
[06:21] <SuperQ> root: use System::Administration::Synaptic Package Manager
[06:21] <dash> gah
[06:21] <Artemis3> gao
[06:21] <dash> Hi. I'm using dhclient with my ipw2200 wifi card and i keep losing my dhcp lease
[06:21] <dash> for no good reason
[06:21] <SuperQ> root: enable universe/multiverse in Settings/Repositories
[06:21] <dash> any body got an idea on how to figure out why?
[06:21] <SuperQ> dash: that's odd
[06:21] <SuperQ> dash: what AP?
[06:22] <dash> yes, quite odd
[06:22] <SuperQ> dash: WEP?
[06:22] <dash> at the moment, a netgear
[06:22] <dash> no wep
[06:22] <SuperQ> ok
[06:22] <dash> it has happened with various APs
[06:22] <dash> and if I reboot, i bet it will go away
[06:22] <SuperQ> dash: unfortunately, my only suggestion is to try the 1.0.2 ipw2200 driver, but you'd have to build source
[06:22] <dash> yay
[06:23] <SuperQ> I need to make a deb of 1.0.2 for hoary people
[06:23] <SuperQ> since it fixes a lot of problems
[06:23] <dash> also, any news on rfmon mode? :)
[06:23] <SuperQ> heh
[06:23] <huhe> is there a way to tell ubuntu my exact monitor type ?  its curved at the top of my screen :(
[06:23] <Artemis3> hoary release is coming pretty soon, you should..
[06:23] <DonL> back
[06:23] <SuperQ> no.. rfmon doesn't exist for ipw2200 yet :(
[06:23] <snakeru> so nobody can help my with launchpad account problems here?
[06:23] <Whiffle> huhe, curved?
[06:23] <SuperQ> I was just looking at kismet info on that tonight
[06:23] <huhe> yeah less black space on one side than the other
[06:24] <huhe> not so much curved less black space i dont want to adjust because the bottom is fine
[06:24] <huhe> even though the bottom is curved in the middle
[06:24] <root> Someone please tell me how to get wine on Ubuntu, hoary, or I will shout.
[06:24] <Artemis3> ??? sounds like the geometry thing
[06:24] <SuperQ> root: I told you
[06:24] <Artemis3> play with the monitor settings
[06:24] <SuperQ> root: enable universe/multiverse in synaptic
[06:24] <johndoher> hey, dumb question: does anyone know if a CD burned in Nero will read in linux?
[06:25] <SuperQ> johndoher: yes
[06:25] <huhe> Artemis3, where can i do that ?
[06:25] <Artemis3> monitor buttons in the monitor
[06:25] <Whiffle> johndoher, yes
[06:25] <root> synaptic ?
[06:25] <johndoher> thanks
[06:25] <Artemis3> the ones on the monitor
[06:25] <Artemis3> hehehe
[06:25] <huhe> johndoher, yes, and dumb question.
[06:25] <root> What is synaptic ?
[06:25] <SuperQ> root: click on System, Administration, Synaptic Package Manager
[06:25] <SuperQ> root: put your password in
[06:25] <SuperQ> root: click Settings/Repositories
[06:25] <huhe> oh the monitor controls eek they are perfect for everything else
[06:25] <Whiffle> huhe, you might play with xvidtune, be careful tho
[06:25] <root> I just execed it from a shell
[06:25] <root> I can find it from there :)
[06:25] <root> Thank yous ir.
[06:25] <root> you sir*
[06:26] <Whiffle> and make sure you've got the same refresh and everything
[06:26] <Artemis3> its probably a resolution/refresh you haven't used before
[06:26] <Artemis3> most monitors keep separate settings for each
[06:26] <huhe> ok i will try xvidtune
[06:26] <huhe> its taking forever to install java
[06:26] <Artemis3> oh its your monitor ;)
[06:26] <SuperQ> root: click on the main config line, and add universe multiverse
[06:26] <huhe> but it sure is easy to accomplish otherwise simple tasks than other distros
[06:27] <snakeru> 
[06:27] <huhe> Artemis3, i've never had to mess with curves.  i dont know which option to select on my viewsonic settings
[06:27] <DonL> it get's easier, huhe
[06:27] <Artemis3> 140GB!
[06:27] <individ_> SuperQ,  is there a way to resize partitions in ubuntu? i have the /dev/hda1 mounted as /boot and it has like 10 Mb wich is not enought to put some other kernel images
[06:27] <Artemis3> hmm
[06:27] <Artemis3> dont you have things like "s pin" or "advanced"?
[06:28] <root> Thank you :).
[06:28] <snakeru> individ_: parted again :)
[06:28] <root> I like Ubuntu a lot more than Debian.
[06:28] <Artemis3> my monitor has lots of these
[06:28] <SuperQ> individ_: erm.. yea.. that's complicated
[06:28] <Artemis3> but its not viewsonic sorry
[06:28] <SuperQ> gah.. gf taking computer away
[06:28] <DonL> I could never get pure Debian to work so I like Ubuntu better too
[06:28] <individ_> SuperQ,  how complicated
[06:28] <Artemis3> evil gf!
[06:28] <Artemis3> beg :)
[06:28] <huhe> i have pincushion/balance
[06:28] <DonL> Get rid of gf!
[06:29] <Artemis3> oops
[06:29] <Lightboy> how can i install a 2.6.11 kernel for an amd64-k8 using hoary?
[06:29] <Artemis3> ^^!
[06:29] <geneo93> i can do 140gig of ext3  here in about 15 seconds
[06:29] <individ_> SuperQ, maybe something like partition magic ? :)
[06:29] <Artemis3> pin balance?
[06:29] <huhe> my kernel on boot tells me it cannot see a ext3 partition and if i'm not mistaken the only one that is ext3 is boot
[06:30] <jjpmr52> c
[06:30] <Whiffle> huhe, mine tells me that too
[06:30] <Whiffle> i ignore it
[06:30] <huhe> ok good
[06:30] <huhe> so its a little loopy
[06:30] <Artemis3> treat it like ext2
[06:30] <Whiffle> huhe, maybe, i dunno, as long as it works
[06:30] <Artemis3> what you need ext3 in boot for?
[06:30] <huhe> exactly
[06:30] <jjpmr52> x
[06:31] <jjpmr52> c
[06:31] <individ_> SuperQ, any chances?
[06:32] <Marble2> oh man this is some bs. knoppix can't mount it either
[06:32] <huhe> i've been a newbie since the day i first ran linux :/
[06:32] <DonL> Oh. Sorry, Marble2
[06:32] <Whiffle> Marble2, I think the acronym "FUBAR" applies here
[06:32] <jjpmr52> x
[06:32] <Marble2> man I hope the repair install works
[06:32] <individ_> snakeru, looks like you win :)
[06:32] <DonL> Me too, huhe, I'm always amazed at how little I know
[06:33] <individ_> damn , part again
[06:33] <Marble2> I'll try it in a bit, I need to do some stuff first
[06:33] <root> Are the E17 packages for Ubuntu good ?
[06:33] <individ_> i have an 160GB hard drive and did the boot part with just 10 Megs
[06:33] <root> I love E17
[06:33] <root> haha
[06:33] <root> me too !
[06:33] <root> I have the boot as 10 gb
[06:33] <Artemis3> oh
[06:33] <root> oh
[06:33] <huhe> well its when i try to accomplish complicated tasks i can't seem to motivate myself to do them and the few times i've tried it was too much for me and always nobody there to help other to tell you to google it
[06:33] <root> gb :-\
[06:33] <root> *stoned*
[06:33] <jjpmr52> c
[06:34] <Artemis3> e17? means they actually did it?
[06:34] <root> Hey root, thanks.
[06:34] <root> E17, Enlightenment 17
[06:34] <root> rasterman.com
[06:34] <root> It's awesome.
[06:34] <Artemis3> its been ages since e16
[06:34] <huhe> Enlightenment is a windows manager ?
[06:34] <Artemis3> whats new?
[06:34] <root> Thank you root, and I'm out to look for some E17 repositories.
[06:34] <jjpmr52> x
[06:34] <individ_> root, so theres no other way around it except partition again the whole thing and reinstall ubuntu?
[06:35] <Artemis3> yah its windows manager... that esound thingie seems to be more widely used
[06:35] <mkerby> Hi everyone
[06:35] <DonL> Hi mkerby
[06:35] <Artemis3> fancy opening and sounds all over with pretty candy, etc
[06:35] <huhe> i'm kind of partial to Gnome myself have always been that way but you can run more than Gnome on Ubuntu ?
[06:36] <individ_> will it do like 50 Megs this time or shud i give it more?
[06:36] <vbaez> hi
[06:36] <DonL> You can do what you want, huhe
[06:36] <vbaez> i have some problems with xmms
[06:37] <huhe> Artemis3, does pincushion sound right to you ?
[06:37] <vbaez> not work when i play mp3
[06:37] <Artemis3> yes
[06:38] <roy_> lol.  first time in a command-line IRC.
[06:39] <roy_> I need help getting into my CD drive
[06:39] <DonL> What program are you using, roy?
[06:39] <Artemis3> you need to push the button
[06:39] <roy_> ubuntu irss
[06:39] <roy_> er... irss in ubuntu
[06:39] <roy_> whenever I do "cd /CDROM", then "ls", it's empty
[06:40] <Artemis3> mounted?
[06:40] <Whiffle> wow E17 is ....bling bling..
[06:40] <roy_> (I have two DVD drives in some 'hda' and 'hdc' I think
[06:40] <Artemis3> show me pretty pics of E17
[06:40] <Xenguy> NOTE: I assume that the ops in this channel are aware of a rogue DCC emanating from nick 'Neas`' earlier this afternoon?
[06:40] <roy_> I have no experience of this mounting concept
[06:40] <Artemis3> aha
[06:40] <Artemis3> there you go
[06:40] <Artemis3> not mounted
[06:41] <roy_> the CD's in there, but the /CDROM directory's ls is empty, no matter which drive I put it in
[06:41] <Artemis3> example mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdd /mnt/cdrom
[06:41] <Artemis3> hmm
[06:41] <SuperQ> yay
[06:41] <SuperQ> I got my computer back
[06:41] <Artemis3> i think i did something wrong
[06:41] <Artemis3> -t wasnt that big
[06:41] <Artemis3> oh well man mount
[06:41] <egon_spengler> Ubuntu by default provides a /media directory for mounting of CDROMS and floppies
[06:41] <Artemis3> i forgot
[06:41] <roy_> what does the -t and the iso9660 parameter do?
[06:42] <Artemis3> forget it
[06:42] <Xenguy> roy_: that refers to your CD-ROM
[06:42] <Artemis3> man mount
[06:42] <egon_spengler> So, it might be in /media/cdrom instead
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> tells it the file system type. :P
[06:42] <snakeru> SuperQ: how is ntfs under knoppix?
[06:42] <SuperQ> no idea
[06:42] <SuperQ> oh well.. time for bed
[06:42] <Artemis3> ntfs is a kernel thing i think
[06:42] <Artemis3> 2.6.x
[06:42] <Arnia> Oh wow... that's weird
[06:43] <roy_> ok.  I'll take a look in the /media/cdrom, and if it's not there, should I do "mount -t iso9660 /dev/hda /mnt/cdrom"?
[06:43] <Artemis3> for read only
[06:43] <Arnia> Synaptic isn't picking up the GTk theme
[06:43] <snakeru> SuperQ: but is it visible at least?
[06:43] <Brunellus> ping LinuxJones
[06:43] <Arnia> But only synaptic
[06:43] <Artemis3> no
[06:43] <Artemis3> dont do that
[06:43] <Artemis3> hahaha
[06:43] <Artemis3> /dev/hda...
[06:43] <roy_> it's bad?
[06:43] <LinuxJones> hi Brunellus
[06:43] <adamZ> /dev/hda is your hard drive
[06:43] <egon_spengler> your /dev/hda is the first ide hard drive, probably the one containing all the OS
[06:43] <roy_> I use SATA hard drive
[06:43] <Artemis3> just do 'man mount' and READ
[06:43] <Brunellus> hey LinuxJones:  so I've apt dist-upgraded
[06:44] <Artemis3> so?
[06:44] <Artemis3> its not scsi
[06:44] <Brunellus> I'm still connected, but I know ndiswrapper will break when I reboot
[06:44] <LinuxJones> Brunellus, how did it work out for you ?
[06:44] <roy_> oh.  'man mount' is a command.  I thought you were saying something like "dude, mount!"
[06:44] <snakeru> Artemis3: SATA is /dev/sdx drive ususally
[06:44] <Brunellus> so I'm considering my options before rebooting
[06:44] <Artemis3> okies
[06:44] <Artemis3> do man mount
[06:44] <[CX] -sw0rdSavy> can anyone help me? everytime i try to run an executbal file i get this error  quake.x11: cannot execute binary file
[06:44] <[CX] -sw0rdSavy> and its not just for quake.x11
[06:44] <LinuxJones> Brunellus, push the button :)
[06:44] <roy_> ok, so what happens after I enter "man mount"?
[06:45] <Artemis3> hehe man, do man mount!
[06:45] <Artemis3> you read the docs
[06:45] <Arnia> Ok... is synaptic written in python?
[06:45] <Brunellus> hahahaha.  no, it'll break, and I'll be without connection
[06:45] <roy_> oh ok
[06:45] <Artemis3> about command "mount"
[06:45] <Artemis3> man = manUAL
[06:45] <Artemis3> or something
[06:45] <[CX] -sw0rdSavy> anyone know whats the deal with "cannot execute binary file"??
[06:45] <Brunellus> according to the ndiswrapper support pages, I'm to recompile ndiswrapper whenever my kernel-headers change
[06:45] <roy_> I'll give it a go.  uh... how do I get out of IRC, and back into the DOS thing?
[06:45] <DonL> Is there a command "dude mount" ? Maybe there is
[06:45] <Brunellus> and also I'm to remove any installed versions of ndiswrapper before any rebuild
[06:45] <Artemis3> hahaha
[06:45] <Artemis3> dont do that
[06:46] <LinuxJones> Brunellus, yeah that's how it is :(
[06:46] <Artemis3> hit alt 2 to open a new console, then alt 1 to come back
[06:46] <hybrid> hello all
[06:46] <hybrid> again
[06:46] <roy_> wow!  a multi-task DOS...
[06:46] <roy_> amazing
[06:46] <Artemis3> lol
[06:46] <Artemis3> its not DOS
[06:47] <Artemis3> :P
[06:47] <DonL> roy, and with a scroll bar!
[06:47] <Brunellus> LinuxJones:  so I reboot and the thing's disconnected, right.  so I ndiswrapper -e [*.inf]  and then remove ndiswrapper
[06:47] <Brunellus> and rebuild it.
[06:47] <[CX] -sw0rdSavy> does anyone have any experience with the error cannot execute binary file
[06:47] <roy_> yeah.  just being facetious.  I just finished reading a little tutorial
[06:47] <[CX] -sw0rdSavy> its killing me
[06:47] <Epixc> ok, whats different from debian to ubuntu?
[06:47] <LinuxJones> Brunellus, I don't have a wireless network card :)
[06:48] <Artemis3> its recent
[06:48] <Brunellus> k.
[06:48] <Artemis3> hehehe
[06:48] <Brunellus> wlan is my only net connection
[06:48] <Artemis3> as in, "months"
[06:48] <Brunellus> this breaks, I'm disconnected, and I go into withdrawal symptoms
[06:48] <hybrid> epixc http://ubuntu.com/wiki/relationship i believe tells the story
[06:48] <geneo93> Epixc:  ubuntu is up to date
[06:49] <Epixc> geneo93, so is debian
[06:49] <hybrid> not really
[06:49] <geneo93> nA
[06:49] <LinuxJones> Brunellus, your mobo probably has a network card built in ?
[06:49] <Epixc> yes really. ever heard of sarge?
[06:49] <egon_spengler> [CX] -sw0rdSavy: What are the permissions on the file you can't seem to get executed?
[06:49] <hybrid> sid is about as up to date as our soon to be stable
[06:50] <hybrid> sarge != hoary
[06:50] <Brunellus> LinuxJones:  no.  in any case, I don't have wireline access from where I sit, and moving the computer isn't an option
[06:50] <Artemis3> indeed
[06:50] <geneo93> sid dont have kde 3.4
[06:50] <Artemis3> there is a separate testing done in ubuntu
[06:50] <[CX] -sw0rdSavy> egon_spengler, its a+rwx
[06:50] <hybrid> Epixc all ubuntu is built on the sid version of debian if i remebr correctly
[06:50] <Epixc> hybrid, and sarge is aboout up to date as you can get
[06:50] <Epixc> hybrid, yes it is.
[06:50] <egon_spengler> [CX] -sw0rdSavy: For you as user, or as sudo/root?
[06:50] <LinuxJones> Brunellus, I am too drunk to offer any further assistance :D
[06:51] <[CX] -sw0rdSavy> for user
[06:51] <DonL> haha. Me too LinuxJones
[06:51] <Artemis3> drink more then
[06:51] <hybrid> Epixc what is the point of sid if sarge is as up to date
[06:51] <Brunellus> nunc est bibendum.
[06:51] <LinuxJones> DonL, :)
[06:51] <DonL> Hic! Okay
[06:51] <geneo93> me either
[06:51] <Epixc> hybrid, because sid is stabler
[06:51] <egon_spengler> [CX] -sw0rdSavy: And does the directory also support access/execution?
[06:51] <hybrid> stabler then sarge?
[06:51] <[CX] -sw0rdSavy> yes sure does
[06:51] <Brunellus> ok.  time to break my only connection.  if I don't come back online in half an hour, then I'm going to start drinking, myself.
[06:51] <Epixc> hybrid, yes
[06:51] <geneo93> two qts of beer here in 30 minutes
[06:52] <[CX] -sw0rdSavy> both quake and other games give me this same error.
[06:52] <Artemis3> or plug an old fashioned wire
[06:52] <LinuxJones> Brunellus, gl :)
[06:52] <hybrid> Epixc well plz explain to me
[06:52] <Liz> does anyone know how to get the hotplug thing working for usb ports?
[06:52] <Liz> it used to work.before an upgrade
[06:52] <[CX] -sw0rdSavy> /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[06:52] <[CX] -sw0rdSavy> does that have anything to do with it
[06:52] <Kamakazie> Anyone in here have a PSP?
[06:53] <egon_spengler> [CX] -sw0rdSavy: no, that just says on boot error to remount drive read only
[06:53] <hybrid> cough #psp cough
[06:53] <geneo93> Liz:  hotplug thing aint for that
[06:53] <[CX] -sw0rdSavy> well why do you think that my games always quit with cannot execute binary file
[06:53] <Epixc> hybrid, i believe it works like this. sarge takes the newest packages off the mirrors. updated every day. sid on the other hand has locked packages. all the packages are from a certain date. so they will all work with each other.
[06:54] <Liz>  geneo93 oh, then how doi get my usb to open up automatically?
[06:54] <hybrid> Epixc i thought sid was like bleeding edge hences Still In Developement
[06:54] <egon_spengler> [CX] -sw0rdSavy: Without seeing a console output of possible errors, I have just guessed the obvious one
[06:54] <DonL> Epixc, isn't it the other way around? Wasn't Sid the evil child on Toy Story?
[06:55] <hybrid> and sarge was testing which had been in developent for a while
[06:55] <Artemis3> debian names are crazy
[06:55] <Liz> oh..hotplug is just scripts
[06:55] <hybrid> yea
[06:55] <DonL> They're all about Toy Story
[06:55] <Epixc> hybrid, opps, i meant woody
[06:55] <Artemis3> what was the dinosaur name?
[06:55] <hybrid> oo ok
[06:55] <hybrid> rex
[06:56] <hybrid> ubuntu needs to name releases from tron :P
[06:56] <PacoBCN> question, is there a way to mount external drives with specific names without adding them to fstab?
[06:56] <geneo93> sarge has been in devel for a least 2 yrs now
[06:56] <DonL> Woody must be realllllly old
[06:56] <[CX] -sw0rdSavy> egon_spengler, that is the only outout
[06:56] <hybrid> woody is as stable as a cemented rock
[06:56] <Artemis3> i used potato
[06:56] <roy_> hey, about mounting again: I have a CD with drivers in it, which I burned in NERO using standard options.  is this gonna be iso9660?
[06:56] <PacoBCN> 2 years = 4 Ubuntu releases :)
[06:56] <Epixc> so anyway, ubuntu is just debian sid with a nice cover on it, including synaptic and some other crap (like X) by default?
[06:57] <hybrid> lol
[06:57] <Kamakazie> hybrid, they cant help with Linux probs in #psp
[06:57] <roy_> so I should "mount -t iso9660...."?
[06:57] <hybrid> what does a psp have to do with linux
[06:57] <adamZ> roy_: yep
[06:57] <[CX] -sw0rdSavy> bash: /usr/local/bin/sc3u: cannot execute binary file
[06:57] <Artemis3> whats psp?
[06:57] <roy_> thanks, adam
[06:57] <jyh> linux on a psp
[06:57] <[CX] -sw0rdSavy> this also does with the quake binarys
[06:57] <hybrid> playstation portable
[06:58] <DonL> I was waiting for someone else to ask
[06:58] <roy_> jyh: PlayStation Portable
[06:58] <geneo93> man i hope someone here aint drunk
[06:58] <hybrid> jhm this is ubuntu not linux psp
[06:58] <roy_> all the paid media's shitting themselves over it
[06:58] <DonL> Shhhh. My son will want one
[06:58] <hybrid> lol
[06:59] <Epixc> ok whats so great about having a new release every 6 months?
[06:59] <Artemis3> ah
[06:59] <Artemis3> i remembered, thanks
[06:59] <hybrid> releases ppl recognize
[06:59] <DonL> I think the releases follow Gnome releases
[06:59] <hybrid> like what is gimp in woody? .0.1?
[07:00] <geneo93> Epixc:  keeps things current
[07:00] <Artemis3> huh? no way, it was like 1.x in potato
[07:00] <Arnia> Epixc: Time based releases generally promote a more realistic scheduling
[07:00] <HappyPills> hmm... I've progressed to 23 minutes remaining from 24... It only took 2 hours
[07:00] <Arnia> Epixc: Little and often is better than loads and never after all (look at Enlightenment ;)
[07:00] <hybrid> Artemis3 : i waz jokin
[07:00] <geneo93> hehe
[07:00] <geneo93> sorry watching SNL
[07:00] <Artemis3> but really ubuntu is filling a gap
[07:00] <roy_> question: in a listing's -rxwr.... thing, what does it mean when 'l' is the first letter?  (all I know is that 'd' means directory)
[07:00] <Artemis3> left by the slow update process in debian
[07:01] <jordanau> snl sucks now
[07:01] <DonL> I think twice yearly releases is plenty
[07:01] <Epixc> but whats so great about those new releases.
[07:01] <adamZ> link. It's like a shortcut
[07:01] <hybrid> ubuntu = modern debian
[07:01] <corza> can someone help me with an xmms plugin?
[07:01] <Epixc> wait, does ubun use apt?
[07:01] <hybrid> debian grew up at last but changed its name to ubuntu
[07:01] <Artemis3> gnome and openbsd to release twice in a year
[07:01] <hybrid> Epixc yes
[07:02] <DonL> Ubuntu is the Debian for everybody
[07:02] <hybrid> ubuntu means humanity to all so yea it would be debian 4 every1
[07:02] <roy_> hey, I just tried to mount, but the computer told me that "only root can do that"
[07:02] <roy_> how do I become 'root'?
[07:02] <adamZ> roy
[07:02] <hybrid> sudo
[07:02] <adamZ> roy_: you need to do sudo mount
[07:02] <hybrid> ^roy
[07:02] <DonL> sudo command
[07:02] <Arnia> Epixc: Its great for desktop users... especially atm since so many projects are evolving the desktop concept so fast in order to catch up (and surpass) other offerings in usability, accessibility and relevance
[07:02] <jordanau> when hoary stable comes out, will it be stable enough for me ( a noob) or should i wait a while?
[07:03] <adamZ> ack. pressed enter too soon
[07:03] <roy_> sp psuedo?
[07:03] <Epixc> but what about servers?
[07:03] <geneo93> roy_:  thats the way it is
[07:03] <Arnia> Epixc: Ubuntu is not for servers
[07:03] <hybrid> jordanau: hoary is prolly ready now
[07:03] <jordanau> thanks
[07:03] <Arnia> Epixc: Its a desktop operating system
[07:03] <DonL> A friend stopped by the other night who had never seen any Linux. He was very impressed
[07:03] <hybrid> Arnia : i beg to differ
[07:03] <Artemis3> for servers i switched to freebsd/openbsd long time ago
[07:03] <Epixc> Arnia, so whats for servers? debian :P?
[07:03] <Arnia> hybrid: It *can* be used for servers... but that isn't its main focus
[07:03] <hybrid> Arnie : ppl are starting to use it on some servers
[07:04] <Arnia> In the same way OSX can be used for servers
[07:04] <jordanau> i will wait till stable day then ass oopposed to a month form now.
[07:04] <hybrid> no not main but it is cathin on
[07:04] <Artemis3> gentoo "wants" to be... heh.
[07:04] <geneo93> Epixc:  you can do a sever install if you wish
[07:04] <roy_> if I become power user, will it let me mount?
[07:04] <jordanau> excuse grammer i have had a few beers.....
[07:04] <roy_> (and I've forgotten how to become a power user)
[07:04] <Arnia> hybrid: I don't doubt that... I just wonder why people would want to use a desktop focused OS for server work :)
[07:05] <hybrid> Arnia: no idea
[07:05] <hybrid> i like osx servers tho
[07:05] <DonL> roy_, all you have to do is type sudo before the command. Then it will ask you for your password. That's YOUR password. Give it and you're in
[07:05] <Arnia> I don't like the idea of a kitchen sink OS... I think Ubuntu should concentrate on the desktop. The needs of desktops and servers are quite different IMO
[07:05] <hybrid> my school has one
[07:05] <Epixc> wait. ubin has no root!
[07:05] <geneo93> ubuntu can be enterprise if you want
[07:05] <hybrid> yes i agree
[07:05] <Epixc> haha, no wonder its not for servers
[07:05] <hybrid> Epixc by default no it does not
[07:06] <roy_> ah
[07:06] <adamZ> then again, apache's in main, as are other servers iirc
[07:06] <HappyPills> ubuntu can have root if you like it to
[07:06] <hybrid> juss not by default
[07:06] <geneo93> Epixc:  you can create one if you know linux like i do
[07:07] <Liz> i have usb ports, but they arent showing up in /dev/
[07:07] <DonL> HappyPills, I've learned to like it this way. 99.999% of the time I'm just me
[07:07] <hybrid> geneo93: cant you do so in the installation
[07:07] <Liz> anyone kno whow to corrent this?
[07:07] <roy_> I don't want to eff anything up, so is it possible for me to mount my CD drive into a directory that I make up, say "/DVD"?
[07:07] <Arnia> I like not having root actually :)
[07:07] <hybrid> me 2
[07:07] <roy_> (and what's the syntax for making this directory before mounting)?
[07:07] <jordanau> roy_, yes
[07:07] <geneo93> liz i have 6 of them
[07:07] <adamZ> mkdir /new/directory
[07:07] <Liz> i have 4
[07:07] <Epixc> geneo93, but can you actully make it root? uid 0 and all?
[07:07] <roy_> thasnk
[07:08] <Liz> but they arent showing up in /dev geneo93
[07:08] <adamZ> sudo mkdir that is
[07:08] <adamZ> unless you're mounting in your own directory
[07:08] <Arnia> hybrid: In the end, I don't disagree its possible to use Ubuntu for a server. I just question whether its wise to have an operating system with as few development resources as this (relatively speaking) targeting two large, often conflicting groups.
[07:08] <geneo93> sure why not its linux you can configure it anyway you want
[07:08] <Artemis3> i like that the root is disabled by default, and thing of the first users as the "admin" of sorts, where i make another user without sudo
[07:08] <hybrid> Arnia: i am not defending it i am just stating the facts
[07:09] <jordanau> sudo mount --bind /media/cddrive /the/directory/i/made/up
[07:09] <roy_> SCORE!  Let's see if I can figure out how to run these driver installs...
[07:09] <jordanau> roy ^^^
[07:09] <hybrid> hello tritium
[07:09] <tritium> hello hybrid
[07:09] <Quenyar> Anone have any experience installing with a dialup modem?
[07:09] <Quenyar> AnYone, that is
[07:09] <jordanau> hello tritium and hybrid
[07:10] <tritium> hi jordanau
[07:10] <hybrid> hello jordanau
[07:10] <geneo93> tritium:  i should ban myself for being drunk
[07:10] <hybrid> lol
[07:10] <tritium> geneo93, heh
[07:10] <jordanau> i am drunk too geneo93
[07:10] <Artemis3> but your words are still coming clear
[07:10] <DonL> geneo93, then I would have to ban me too.
[07:10] <jordanau> let me drink to you
[07:10] <roy_> b4 I do anything: I'm installing nvidia display drivers, and the nvidia site said that I should type in "sh long_file_name_such_and_such.run"
[07:10] <Arnia> geneo93: Its not linux, its ubuntu. Linux isn't an operating system, its just a really good basis for an operating system ;)
[07:10] <roy_> what does the "sh" do?
[07:11] <Artemis3> linux its the kernel, ask RMS hehehe
[07:11] <tritium> roy_, why aren't you using the nvidia-glx ubuntu package?
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> its a command. :P  the sh shell.
[07:12] <geneo93> Arnia:  i have 4 distros on this thing and everyone can do the same thing if i want them to
[07:12] <Quenyar> Again - anyone have any experience installing ubuntu to use a dialup modem for Internet connectivity?
[07:12] <roy_> I don't know what glx is.  I only skimmed over it in my research.  background: I had a smooth install of warty 64, but when I try to start up it poops out when x server is supposed to load
[07:12] <DonL> roy_, I agree with tritium on this. Whenever possible, I'll pull stuff from apt-get or synaptic. If then it doesn't work out for me, I can easily get rid of it
[07:12] <jordanau> geneo93, how drunk are ya
[07:12] <Artemis3> its been a while...
[07:13] <roy_> and I got advice that I should install the drivers from nvidia's site
[07:13] <Artemis3> there was a proggie for dialup connect i used to use
[07:13] <geneo93> Quenyar:  me
[07:13] <Artemis3> but i only used real modems
[07:13] <Kamakazie> ANyone here have a PSP?
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> Yes Kamakazie
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> :)
[07:13] <Artemis3> so it was pretty simple
[07:13] <tritium> roy_, linux-restricted-modules contains the nvidia driver.  nvidia-glx is all that is required in additon to get nvidia working.
[07:13] <geneo93> jordanau:  2 qts in 30 minutes
[07:13] <roy_> oh
[07:13] <Quenyar> geneo93 - should I expect it to detect the modem and install a dialup client like RedHat uses, or is it different?
[07:14] <Kamakazie> Dr_Willis, You have any troubles transferring MP#'s to it using Ubuntu?
[07:14] <jordanau> of what beer i hope?
[07:14] <roy_> I'm guessing that I can get nvidia-glx from the nvidia site?
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> Kamakazie,  not tried under Linux
[07:14] <DonL> Somebody mention beer?
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> Kamakazie,  I can go get it and reboot and try if you want.
[07:14] <DonL> Thirsty again
[07:14] <tritium> roy_, no, you can install it using apt, aptitude, synaptic...
[07:14] <geneo93> Kamakazie:  whats psp
[07:14] <jordanau> yeah DonL i am past or passed 5 beers and quit counting
[07:14] <Kamakazie> Play Station Portable
[07:15] <roy_> are apt, aptitude, synaptic, are those kinds of updating apps?
[07:15] <Kamakazie> Dr_Willis, that would be very helpful
[07:15] <Quenyar> nvidia drivers get installed with their nvidia-installer that installs the drivers and a kernel package
[07:15] <DonL> Me too, jordanau , but who's counting. It's Saturday
[07:15] <jordanau> and about to be passed out
[07:15] <Arnia> geneo93: But should you? You can't make one-size-fits-all software (one of the reasons why open-source works so well I guess) so distributions should target different markets. I'm a fan of using the right tool for the right job, and that goes for distros too.
[07:15] <Arnia> geneo93: Look at programming languages -- all turing-complete languages are equivalent in power, but some are suited to some tasks better than others
[07:15] <hybrid> roy_they install update upgrade and remove programs
[07:15] <tritium> roy_, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/
[07:15] <Artemis3> whats your favorite laguange to introduce someone into programming?
[07:16] <jordanau> i am learning python right now, its the shit
[07:16] <geneo93> Kamakazie:  nnow why would i want that
[07:16] <Kamakazie> I didnt say you did
[07:16] <DonL> It does what urpmi does in Mandrake, if you know that one
[07:16] <Kamakazie> Its more of a full featured portable media center
[07:16] <jordanau> just like my bud-diesel
[07:16] <hybrid> Artemis3 i started with c++ then java but idk any gui with them
[07:16] <geneo93> Arnia:  python has power of all
[07:16] <Quinn_Storm> Artemis3: I'd reccomend python as well, simple to get used to and very powerful...yeah the whitespace thing can be annoying to some but its really a minor drawback.  I've heard ruby is nice too but I haven't used it
[07:16] <Quenyar> artemis3 to introduce someone into what kind of programming?
[07:16] <Kamakazie> and there is a huge PSP Linux project starting up
[07:16] <jordanau> Artemis3, python man
[07:17] <Artemis3> oh
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> Kamakazie,  ok.. be back in a min. booting to linux
[07:17] <Kamakazie> thx
[07:17] <Artemis3> ao many votes for python ^^
[07:17] <hybrid> i am yet to learn python
[07:17] <jordanau> Artemis3, i also vote for beer
[07:17] <geneo93> DonL:  urpmi has its limits also
[07:17] <hybrid> the whole command line is a turn off
[07:17] <Artemis3> hehehe
[07:17] <jordanau> its not a language but should be
[07:17] <hybrid> lol
[07:17] <DonL> geneo93, urpmi has a whole bunch of limits
[07:18] <Quenyar> artemis3 - it depends on what they want to be able to do. Some people learn best with presentation layer programming, like GTK, while others do better in C++, java, or python
[07:18] <jordanau> Artemis3, what is their goal?
[07:18] <geneo93> DonL:  yes it does i use apt fist
[07:18] <DonL> I've lived with RPM for years, and didn't know what I was missing till I met up with apt-get
[07:18] <Quinn_Storm> I'd avoid showing anyone GTK/GLIB b/c its an ugly hack to add pseudo-OO code to C without C++
[07:19] <geneo93> well i'm to drunk to type now
[07:19] <Artemis3> to get good habits
[07:19] <jordanau> haha im getting there
[07:19] <hybrid> I would like to learn c
[07:19] <geneo93> DonL:  i use apt in mandrake
[07:19] <hybrid> and eventuall assemblely
[07:19] <adamZ> oy, assembly's tough
[07:19] <hybrid> **eventually
[07:19] <DonL> I tried apt in Mandrake but couldn't get it to work
[07:19] <hybrid> yea i have heard
[07:20] <Quinn_Storm> x86 assembly is very tough, however assembly on other procs isn't as bad
[07:20] <adamZ> I'm learning HC11 assembly and I'm still really confused
[07:20] <hybrid> but assembly it powerfull
[07:20] <jordanau> hybrid, read and write c code a whole bunch then, you cant learn any other way
[07:20] <Arnia> geneo93: Python is one of my favourite languages... but I would use it for, say, writing a compiler (I'd use Haskell for that)...
[07:20] <Quinn_Storm> mc68k assembly for example is very straightforward
[07:20] <geneo93> hybrid:  save yourself some time learn python
[07:20] <Quenyar> DonL - what did you want to do with Linux and what kind of hardware do you install it to?
[07:20] <hybrid> geneo93 why python?
[07:20] <hybrid> i wanna learn ppc assembly
[07:20] <jordanau> hybrid, what do you want to program?
[07:21] <Arnia> I consider myself a very heavy user of python but I know its limits
[07:21] <Quinn_Storm> hmm, never did any ppc assembly
[07:21] <Arnia> Few as they are ;)
[07:21] <geneo93> well hell i'll use small talk then
[07:21] <hybrid> jordanau : w/e i feel like that day
[07:21] <jordanau> python
[07:21] <DonL> Quenyar, I've now used Linux exclusively for about four and a half years, and I do everything with it
[07:21] <geneo93> jordanau:  your cut off then
[07:22] <hybrid> but i just dont like the command line in python
[07:22] <DonL> I have it installed on a pc
[07:22] <Artemis3> you seem to love assembly, have you seen MenuetOS?
[07:22] <Quenyar> But mandrake wouldn't install or work correctly?  weird.
[07:22] <jordanau> geneo93, lets not talk about whether or not im circumsized
[07:22] <geneo93> wasting good booze on your clothes
[07:22] <hybrid> i have heard of menuet
[07:22] <eclipse> how do i remove debian sub-menu in gnome?
[07:22] <Artemis3> just try it, its a single floppy
[07:22] <DonL> got to see to my son for a moment. Back later
[07:23] <hybrid> Artemis3 what would i do with it?
[07:23] <jordanau> hybrid, why not?? it is great for learning
[07:23] <Kamakazie> Dr_Willis,  I dunno id Ubuntu Mounts the PSP right, evertime i try to transfer some MP3's it stalls then unm ounts
[07:23] <Artemis3> its an x86 assembly os
[07:23] <geneo93> jordanau:  must be short o 10 inches then
[07:23] <osity> is apache on by default?
[07:23] <jordanau> of course its less than 10 inches
[07:23] <geneo93> a=of
[07:23] <GnuKemist> I need help... I decided to re-install Hoary on my AMD64 desktop and it keeps failing on the partition section...  can someone help me?
[07:23] <hybrid> Artemis3 : can i veiw the code
[07:23] <eclipse> how do i remove debian sub-menu in gnome?
[07:24] <jordanau> geneo93,  i am proud to admit to "slightly above average"
[07:24] <geneo93> apache2
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> Kamakazie, I do recall some info about how linux handles some extended attributes of ide/file system sthat is known to crash ipods.. may be similer issue
[07:24] <johndoher> this is roy_
[07:24] <GnuKemist> also, it seems that the mbr is screwed up, showing multiple partitions
[07:24] <hybrid> i can already programm a lil in java and c++ but i havent learn the gui stuff
[07:24] <johndoher> ... why is roy_ still in the user list?
[07:25] <johndoher> the hard drive that I (roy_) was logged into is definitely turned off right now, as in unplugged
[07:25] <jordanau> johndoher, dunno ask roy
[07:25] <johndoher> I'm roy
[07:25] <Artemis3> i think its open source i forgot
[07:25] <Artemis3> google it
[07:25] <johndoher> crazy
[07:25] <jordanau> roy_, then ask johndoher
[07:25] <hybrid> jordanau are you on dail-up?
[07:26] <jordanau> no cable
[07:26] <hybrid> hmm weird
[07:26] <hybrid> do you have a big lag time
[07:26] <jordanau> are you pinging me or something
[07:26] <jordanau> no
[07:26] <hybrid> lol
[07:26] <jordanau> i have an ftp server that might be running
[07:26] <jordanau> not sure though
[07:26] <hybrid> no i use to be on dail up and it would do stuff like that
[07:26] <jordanau> what stuff
[07:27] <jordanau> are you screwing with me cause um drunk
[07:27] <Kamakazie> Dr_Willis, so did ya try it?
[07:27] <DonL> Back
[07:27] <hybrid> like be logged on to aim after i disconnected etc...
[07:27] <adamZ> hybrid: you're confusing jordanau with johndoher ;)
[07:27] <GnuKemist> I can't install anything on my computer b/c I think my partition may be messed up... am running DSL now...  can someone gimme a hand?
[07:27] <jordanau> are you drunk i am not johndoher
[07:27] <arthur> Thanks for everyone who has helped with the 5.04 release, if any of you are in this room.  This works so much better than any other version I have used before.  Actually usable for me :-)
[07:27] <hybrid> ooo srry
[07:28] <hybrid> too much red bull
[07:28] <jordanau> oh shit i thought i was in python chat this entire time
[07:28] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:28] <hybrid> lol
[07:28] <DonL> That's promising, arthur . I'm careful by nature and haven't gone there yet
[07:28] <jordanau> or i forgot...
[07:28] <hybrid> *finally puts down red bull
[07:28] <jordanau> hybrid, whats in the red bull?
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> Kamakazie,  trying to FIND a mp3. :P all mine are ogg's
[07:28] <hybrid> umm....
[07:28] <eclipse> how do i remove debian sub-menu in gnome?
[07:29] <hybrid> a lil bicardi
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> lol.. hmm.. my sound card is dead or somthing under linux.. wtf
[07:29] <Kamakazie> lol
[07:29] <jordanau> jager is better but bacardi will do
[07:29] <hybrid> lol
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> Kamakazie,  it worked fine
[07:29] <hybrid> bacardi and red bull is pretty good
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> You dident fill your memory card did ya? :P
[07:30] <Kamakazie> Dr_Willis, yes I can do one at a time as well
[07:30] <jordanau> a Kamakazie whouldnt be bad either although a shot on all these beers would suck
[07:30] <Kamakazie> but try to copy like 10 at a time
[07:30] <arthur> Well, with the warty release, I had problems getting my soundcard working and WiFi card up and running.  In this release, it just works!  The update feature is also really nice, as you just click on the control panel item, and it scans the net for them.  I'm very very happy with this release.
[07:30] <Dr_Willis> i only got a 32mb card. :P
[07:30] <Dr_Willis> lets see
[07:30] <Kamakazie> and actually listen to them, to see if they got corrupted
[07:30] <jordanau> bacardi rum i assume, is it light run?
[07:30] <jordanau> run/rum
[07:30] <DonL> arthur, cool. Sounds good
[07:31] <hybrid> bacardi is vodka
[07:31] <hybrid> if i remember corectly
[07:31] <yfir> you don't
[07:31] <jordanau> damn im drunk
[07:31] <hybrid> lol
[07:31] <DonL> Actually, to tell you the truth, I tried to do an update to a beta version a couple of months ago and ended up trashing my system, and then re-installing Warty
[07:31] <jordanau> cause i thought it was rum
[07:31] <hybrid> lol
[07:31] <arthur> Only thing that would be nice, is added support for touchpads in the mouse control panel.  Disabling tapping would be something I'd love.  lol.  I'm very happy, so thank you everyone, and anyone wanting to dabble in this, just backup your info and take the plunge if you are not a super uber user of death who loves the Warty release ;-)
[07:31] <randabis> bacardi is rum I thought; not vodka
[07:32] <jordanau> so be honest there isnt really bacardi in your redbull is there...
[07:32] <geneo91> sorry damn dun
[07:32] <hybrid> it would be the only clear rum i have ever seen then
[07:32] <jordanau> thats what i meant by light rum
[07:32] <hybrid> jordanau nah i saw juss bs'n u
[07:33] <hybrid> **was
[07:33] <dross> sig, hi there sig
[07:33] <dross> sig, what brings you here?
[07:33] <dross> sig, to this awesome distro? :)
[07:33] <dross> the _best_ distro
[07:33] <hybrid> lol
[07:33] <hybrid> #1 on distrowatch!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:33] <Dr_Willis> Kamakazie,  heh - either it got conrused by the card filling up.. or somthing else messed up. copied over 5 songs and filled card..
[07:33] <DonL> #1 now????
[07:33] <yfir> no shit?
[07:33] <sig> dross: hah
[07:34] <sig> been using it for a while now
[07:34] <Kamakazie> i have a 256 card
[07:34] <hybrid> last time i checked yea
[07:34] <sig> brb
[07:34] <Kamakazie> I had it
[07:34] <dross> sig, oh ;)
[07:34] <Kamakazie> then all the tracks disapeared?
[07:34] <Kamakazie> maybe i bought a bad card?
[07:34] <jordanau> next comes 12 months
[07:34] <DonL> Yes! By ten downloads!
[07:35] <hybrid> kool we r still on top
[07:35] <geneo91> anyone going for beer . i need ome
[07:35] <hybrid> lol
[07:35] <hybrid> b double e double are you in?
[07:36] <DonL> I think one of the things that attracted me most was the philosophy. Hopefully we won't lose that with success
[07:36] <hybrid> i doubt we will
[07:36] <jordanau> geneo91, i am about to pass out
[07:36] <jordanau> so i am going to bed y'all
[07:36] <hybrid> hoary really elevated us
[07:36] <jordanau> gnight
[07:36] <cg0def> what is the latest version of the ati bin drivers in hoary?
[07:36] <Dr_Willis> Kamakazie,  well with Konqueror - it dident SHOW the files.. but they were there from the shell
[07:36] <hybrid> gnite
[07:36] <DonL> Night, jordanau
[07:36] <roy_> hey, does apt-get download from the internet?
[07:36] <geneo91> nite
[07:36] <Dr_Willis> Kamakazie,  cleaning out the card.. :P kit got 32mb here
[07:36] <Kamakazie> Dr_Willis, try plugging headphones in while playing an MP3 you copied VIA LINUX
[07:37] <roy_> oh.  yes
[07:37] <roy_> dumb question
[07:37] <adamZ> roy_: yes
[07:37] <roy_> I see the rates
[07:37] <DonL> Are you on dial-up, roy_ ?
[07:38] <roy_> no
[07:38] <roy_> DSL
[07:38] <hybrid> o_0
[07:38] <dross> dsl++
[07:38] <roy_> but I'm running apt-get right now
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> Kamakazie,  playing them over the little speakers.. the 2 i copied over play fine
[07:38] <DonL> Ahh. Well you don't have to worry then.
[07:38] <roy_> dsl sux
[07:38] <DonL> No wah, roy_
[07:38] <roy_> my max dl is only 85kb, whereas my old cable ran 300+
[07:39] <DonL> way
[07:39] <Kamakazie> Dr_Willis, try plugging in headphones while there playing
[07:39] <geneo91> roy_:  do you haave all the repos enabled
[07:39] <DonL> I'm very happy with ADSL
[07:39] <roy_> quite noticeable difference, especially if you're downloading a bunch of dtro isos
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> Kamakazie,  heh - ok.. let me go FIND a set. :P
[07:39] <roy_> what's repos?
[07:39] <DonL> My cable friends go from smug to pissed off
[07:39] <hybrid> where apt gets the files
[07:40] <DonL> They never know if it's going to be on or off
[07:40] <roy_> I don't know...
[07:40] <roy_> I just dived right in, and typed
[07:40] <geneo91> roy you should have mine @ 3.1 kb/s
[07:40] <roy_> "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx"
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> Kamakazie,  sounds fine,
[07:40] <yfir> i get 300+ on ADSL
[07:40] <hybrid> roy_ apt gets the files from a list of repos
[07:40] <hybrid> found at /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:41] <geneo91> roy repositories
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> Kamakazie,  are you useing Variable bit rate encodeing on your mp3's ?
[07:41] <Kamakazie> Dr_Willis, weird when i do it, It doesnt read my mem card
[07:41] <roy_> ah
[07:41] <Kamakazie> Dr_Willis, I dunno what that means
[07:41] <roy_> like I said, I just went right in and typed "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx", as the wiki said to do
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> Kamakazie,  96 bit, 128 ect.. some encoders can do 'vbr' which not all players can handle.
[07:41] <hybrid> roy_ type in sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list in the console and you will see your repos
[07:42] <DonL> roy_,  the most pleasant experience with apt-get can be had by starting "synaptic" in my humble opinion
[07:42] <roy_> but not sure if it did the trick.  the app's done, and the last thing it said was "Setting up nvidia glx (1.0.6111-1ubuntu9) ... [sic] "
[07:42] <DonL> ...although it's good to know the command line as well
[07:42] <geneo91> roy you need universe and mutiuniverse
[07:42] <adamZ> you don't need universe to get the nvidia drivers do you? Aren't they in restricted?
[07:43] <hybrid> yes they are
[07:43] <roy_> DonL, how do I start "synaptic"?
[07:43] <hybrid> because they are "binary"
[07:43] <roy_> I'm pretty much stuck in command line
[07:43] <geneo91> roy then you nedd to do sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[07:43] <DonL> go to the terminal and type "sudo synaptic"
[07:43] <roy_> I'm going through all this because x server won't load
[07:43] <hybrid> desktop>>administratin>>synaptic
[07:44] <|QuaD-> is it possible to download a file via ssh (ie the server has no sftp or ftp)
[07:44] <hybrid> ok yall i am goin to bed
[07:44] <hybrid> good nite
[07:44] <DonL> or click on "computer", system configuration, synaptic package manager
[07:44] <corza> can someone help me with keyboard shortcuts & xmms?
[07:44] <roy_> I type in sudo synaptic, and the next line tells me: "(synaptic:3789): Gtk-warning **: cannot open display"
[07:45] <adamZ> roy_: yes, you need to be in X for synaptic to work.
[07:45] <DonL> Can you click on computer?
[07:45] <roy_> gedit says the same
[07:45] <DonL> gedit?
[07:45] <DonL> you're not editing
[07:46] <roy_> yeah "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources" says that
[07:46] <geneo91> roy are u using apt at the same time
[07:46] <roy_> I think apt finished.  I thnk.
[07:46] <DonL> ahh. yes. close one or the other
[07:46] <geneo91> corza:  there is a package for that
[07:46] <NumPy> ..k im sold..this distro rocks =) bless those who took the time to build it
[07:47] <DonL> I think so too NumPy
[07:47] <adamZ> roy_: so have you done sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[07:47] <roy_> last thing that apt get said was "setting up nvidia-glx (1.0.6111-1ubuntu9) ... [sic]  "
[07:47] <Liz> can anyone help me get my usb ports seen in /dev?
[07:47] <roy_> so does that mean it's done?
[07:47] <corza> geneo91: whats it called
[07:47] <geneo91> NumPy:  its the one all right
[07:47] <roy_> and I should restart and everything will be gravy?
[07:48] <geneo91> Liz:  try usb-utils
[07:48] <adamZ> roy_: yes, it's done. So you should just continue following the instructions in the wiki, and all should be well hopefully
[07:48] <corza> geneo91: which package is it?
[07:48] <geneo91> corza:  i'm drunk and cant remember
[07:48] <DonL> Liz, sorry, don't use USB ports here, so no can help
[07:49] <corza> geneo91: if u were drunk u wouldnt be able to type
[07:49] <corza> as was i last night
[07:49] <arthur> anyone know where I can get WinAmp for Linux?
[07:49] <DonL> WinAmp is XMMS I think
[07:49] <NumPy> arthur: try xmms
[07:49] <PenisBot> how do you change login passwrod for a user
[07:49] <geneo91> corza:  i cant look now i'm updating sorry
[07:50] <Intell_03> Ubuntu is a linux distribution
[07:50] <Intell_03> :)
[07:50] <geneo91> PenisBot:  sudo passwd (user name)
[07:51] <Intell_03> That sets the username password :)
[07:51] <Intell_03> sudo passwd root is cool
[07:51] <geneo91> yes
[07:52] <geneo91> resets
[07:52] <DonL> At first I thought it was a mistake. No I like it
[07:52] <dross> hmm
[07:52] <DonL> Now
[07:52] <arthur> does Xmms have built in MP3 support?
[07:52] <DonL> I used to forget I was in root and stay in there for a whole session
[07:53] <DonL> arthur: try it and if it doesnt work go to the wikis. I think there is something there about it
[07:53] <geneo91> arthur:  you need gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:53] <DonL> There ya go
[07:54] <adamZ> does xmms use gstreamer?
[07:54] <yfir> the only thing I really like about the no-root way that Ubuntu uses is that by forcing use of sudo, you get a nice log of root actions
[07:54] <yfir> other than that, I still prefer the traditional root account system.
[07:54] <geneo91> no but it use codecs
[07:54] <adamZ> ah, I see.
[07:54] <DonL> yfir, it was what I was used to, and I liked it. I'm getting used to this and liking it too
[07:55] <yfir> DonL: yes, it's not a big deal. I don't really mind it. I'm used to it now after so many months
[07:55] <Xeon3D> oh man...
[07:56] <geneo91> i use trditional root
[07:56] <geneo91> Xeon3D:  me is dri=unk
[07:57] <Xeon3D> huh?
[07:57] <Xeon3D> I'm avazed I can still tupe smth
[07:57] <Xeon3D> shit.. amazes... type
[07:57] <Xeon3D> ... amazed.
[07:57] <geneo91> huh hell pay attention
[07:57] <arthur> I'm not at all Linux proficient.  How do I install packages?  lol.  Trying to download that gstreamer0.8-mad package
[07:58] <adamZ> arthur: use synaptic. You need the universe repository enabled
[07:58] <Xeon3D> arthur, apt-get install package
[07:58] <Xeon3D> but i think u need nother respoitory
[07:58] <geneo91> yeah typing is like riding a bike
[07:59] <Xeon3D> bet so.. i'd fall so damn bad if I was riding a bik right now
[07:59] <yfir> arthur: what are you trying to do? install gstreamer0.8-mad?
[07:59] <Xeon3D> yet.. my english <-> portuguese mental translation skills are ok.
[07:59] <eclipse> how come i can't lock my screen when i click on lock screen in the gnome menu?
[07:59] <geneo91> whos in charge here
[08:00] <DonL> arthur, if you open synaptic, click on settings, repositories, and put check marks on universe, and multiverse.
[08:00] <arthur> yeah.  It is already installed, though, when I did that update feature.
[08:00] <Xeon3D> no one it seems geneo91 ...
[08:00] <DonL> Hit reload
[08:00] <yfir> you installed it through Ubuntu Update Manager?
[08:00] <geneo91> gnome is broken
[08:00] <Xeon3D> geneo91, why do u ask?
[08:00] <Xeon3D> geneo91, gnome is broken???
[08:00] <Xeon3D> mine isn't
[08:00] <tritium> geneo91, what do you mean?
[08:00] <arthur> yes.  Trying to get it to work, though.  None of my Mp3 files are working.
[08:01] <eclipse> how come i can't lock my screen when i click on lock screen in the gnome menu?
[08:01] <Xeon3D> and I have all the updates...
[08:01] <geneo91> just came to mind Xeon3D
[08:01] <arthur> "There were no decoders found to handle the stream in file".....
[08:01] <Xeon3D> arthur.. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=23368 <- check this.
[08:02] <geneo91> Xeon3D:  gnome has been broken for years thats why i use kde
[08:02] <adamZ> arthur: try xmms-mad
[08:02] <_pink> hey i am having a problem getting my moniter to show the graphics version of ubuntu 5.04, every time i go into the graphics mode it says "Cannot Display Video Mode"
[08:02] <Xeon3D> glad you liked kde better...
[08:02] <Xeon3D> geneo91, arguing about kde\gnome or windows\linux is futile.
[08:02] <Xeon3D> (yay my typing skills are back... or so it seems)
[08:03] <arthur> downloaded XMMS-Mad, but I don't know how to install it, as I've not compiled anythign for years.
[08:03] <Xeon3D> I for one.. prefer gnome.. over KDE.. but I can see good points in both of them.
[08:03] <Arnia> Xeon3D: Can I nick them off you? Just had a blood sugar spike :/
[08:03] <cg0def> is there an easy way to switch from debian to ubuntu
[08:03] <root> back again
[08:03] <root> (roy_)
[08:03] <Xeon3D> Arnia, nick what? who?
[08:03] <johnnybezak> _pink: youre x.org conf is stuffed
[08:03] <adamZ> arthur: it's a package. oh, are you running warty?
[08:03] <AngryKeyboarder> I can't decide, so I just say I like both GNOME and KDE. :-)
[08:03] <Arnia> Xeon3D: Nick as in steal
[08:03] <geneo91> Xeon3D:  i'm a puss and like things simple after 8 years of win admin
[08:03] <arthur> no, not warty
[08:03] <DonL> Xeon3D, I played with a different distro this week for a couple days that used KDE
[08:03] <yfir> arthur: make sure that the gstreamer0.8-mad pacakge is actually installed. that should be all you need
[08:03] <adamZ> arthur: then it's in apt
[08:03] <DonL> I'm back
[08:04] <Arnia> Xeon3D: You think KDE is simple... woah
[08:04] <dross> my new quit message.. "warez!    filez!      leetz!    hackerz!     partz!... When your powers combine, I am Captain Pirate!"
[08:04] <dross> ;)
[08:04] <Xeon3D> Arnia.. I didn't say so...
[08:04] <root> does anyone here have experience with nvidia 6600 and warty 64?
[08:04] <Xeon3D> DonL, I used KDE for a long time...
[08:04] <Xeon3D> (but I'm stilla  newb mind ya)
[08:04] <john> hey
[08:04] <Arnia> Xeon3D: Sorry... like I said, my high blood sugar is messing me up a bit atm
[08:05] <_pink> ya adamZ i am guessing i have to change the HorizSync and VertRefresh numbers...how do i know what to change them to?
[08:05] <Xeon3D> geneo91, .. I used Windows.. (from 2.0 till 2K3 Enterprise Server) all my life, only checking linux from time to time.
[08:05] <DonL> I used it for a few years, Xeon3D . I recently found it slow and overly complex.
[08:05] <geneo91> 6years of kde here
[08:05] <johnnybezak> _pink: will the xconfig program work for you?
[08:05] <Xeon3D> 5 days ago.. I switched completely to Linux...
[08:05] <zenwhen_> is there a way to force a downgrade of nvidia-glx?
[08:05] <john> wut is hia
[08:05] <john> this*
[08:05] <DonL> Back to the speed, simplicity, and beauty of Gnome
[08:05] <Xeon3D> Ubuntu linux must I say :D
[08:05] <root> I just finished "apt-get install nvidia-glx" and then "nvidia-glx-config enable", then restarted, but when X loads up, it's all garbled (in fact I swear I saw the "windows is shutting down" screen in the mix)
[08:05] <Xeon3D> and now I have around 140 GB of Unneeded Warez.
[08:05] <_pink> xconfig? how do i run that?
[08:06] <DonL> oh no, root not the blue screen of death?
[08:06] <Xeon3D> I've only checked on Linux from time to time.. just to see how well it was going...
[08:06] <root> not blue screen of death
[08:06] <Xeon3D> I've started with RH 5.2 and 400 sheets of printer paper
[08:06] <geneo91> _pink:  what do you have hoary or warty
[08:06] <Xeon3D> *printed.
[08:06] <root> the pleasant screen when you hit START>SHUT DOWN
[08:06] <_pink> 5.04
[08:07] <_pink> i think its warty
[08:07] <Xeon3D> root, you should stop smoking that shit: "...I swear I saw the "windows is shutting down" screen in the mix)"
[08:07] <geneo91> ok the xorg-server-config
[08:07] <DonL> Xeon3D, haha. Me too. On a machine that was woefully inept
[08:07] <root> lol
[08:08] <geneo91> smoking is bad for you sex life
[08:08] <root> I just started an engineering job, so can't do that any more :-((((((
[08:08] <DonL> Then I found Mandrake and a faster computer
[08:08] <Xeon3D> Never really liked mandrake
[08:08] <geneo91> r forgot the r
[08:08] <root> they piss/hair/blow tested me!
[08:08] <Xeon3D> but I haven't seen a better partitioner program than their...
[08:08] <DonL> i did. It was like a usable red hat
[08:08] <_pink> the xorg server config? so what do i type in to get that...and what does it do?
[08:08] <Xeon3D> since I found debian-based distros... I don't want anything else...
[08:09] <root> brb.  gonna reboot into windows and do some googling
[08:09] <root> quit
[08:09] <Xeon3D> and I didn't start on debian-based distros with ubuntu.
[08:09] <root> s
[08:09] <DonL> That's what happened to me, Xeon3D
[08:09] <yfir> reboot into windows and do some googling???
[08:09] <Marble2> randabis and DonL, you here?
[08:09] <Jishi> hello everyone
[08:09] <Xeon3D> Theres another GREAT debian distro... which just isn't more popular because it's in Portuguese Language...
[08:09] <DonL> Started playing with live distros, based on Debian and loved them
[08:09] <bronson_> I just installed Hoary and now every time a program tries to play a sound, it locks up until I kill it.
[08:09] <geneo91> DonL:  mandrake can be good if you know your way around there shit
[08:09] <DonL> Marble2, how's it going?
[08:09] <bronson_> xmms, mplayer, mpg321, ...  doesn't matter.
[08:09] <Xeon3D> DonL, you don't happen to know any portuguese or spanish do ya?
[08:10] <Marble2> I think I just had a coronary, I went to try to repair my windows install and it WIPED OUT my entire windows install, left that disc blank, then installed windows on an ntfs partition that already had stuff on it
[08:10] <Marble2> even though it didn't prompt me to
[08:10] <Marble2> so now I have a fresh windows install
[08:10] <Marble2> and I lost all my data
[08:10] <DonL> No, sorry, Xeon3D
[08:10] <Xeon3D> Marble2, hah that or somth similar happened to me once...
[08:10] <Marble2> and on top of that, I think it overwrote lilo, because when I rebooted, I never got any lilo emnu, just straight to windows
[08:10] <zenwhen_> is there a way to force a downgrade of nvidia-glx?
[08:10] <_pink> geneo91, how do i do this "xorg-server-config"?
[08:10] <Xeon3D> I lost around 120 GB of "Datez.."
[08:10] <yfir> bronson: same happens to me, especially with mplayer and xmms. havent' figured out how to fix it yet
[08:11] <Jishi> can anyone help me install ati drivers or turn on my 3d acceleration?
[08:11] <Xeon3D> Arnia, so am I ... so am I.
[08:11] <geneo91> bronson you dont haave the restricted formats installed thats why
[08:11] <bronson_> it locks up??
[08:11] <yfir> genoeo91: that's not why, at least not in my case
[08:11] <bronson_> Maybe so.
[08:11] <Marble2> Xeon3D: most of my Datez is still intact (different partitions) I did lose some of it + personal docs though
[08:11] <Xeon3D> zenwhen, apt-get remove everything..and install the nvidia drivers from the ubuntu CD
[08:11] <bronson_> I'll check, but that's really weird.  Why doesn't it say "unsupported format"?
[08:11] <DonL> Marble2, Oh No!!! Just what you didn't want to happen. Hopefully a Linux distro would have warned you in advance
[08:11] <_pink> can somebody help me??? what is xconfig?
[08:12] <Marble2> I am so pissed
[08:12] <Marble2> If this goddam windows cd made it so that I can't boot back to linux or even touched my ubuntu partition I am never using windows again
[08:12] <Marble2> ever
[08:12] <tritium> _pink, areyou trying to configure xorg?
[08:12] <yfir> bronson: yes, i have system sounds, but xmms and mplayer both lock up about %75 of the time
[08:12] <DonL> Yay, Marble2
[08:12] <Marble2> I'll be right back, I have to go run lilo off of a knoppix cd and see if I can fix this mess.
[08:12] <Xeon3D> Marble if you installed Windows after ubuntu...
[08:12] <DonL> That's the stuff
[08:12] <geneo91> bronson maybe something else then but you need gstreamer0.8 mad for mp3
[08:12] <Xeon3D> then forget it.. you'll never be using windows again
[08:13] <Marble2> Xeon3D, whys taht
[08:13] <DonL> You should try Grub again, Marble2
[08:13] <_pink> i am trying to make the graphical version of ubuntu 5.04 work because every time i try to run it it just goes to "Cannot Display Video Mode"
[08:13] <DonL> It really does work better IMHO
[08:13] <bronson_> geneo91: No, that doesn't make sense.
[08:13] <bronson_> mpg321 locks up.
[08:13] <Marble2> I'll see if I can even get into ubuntu
[08:13] <Marble2> brb
[08:13] <geneo91> just forget windows existed i did
[08:13] <bronson_> It's definitely not a restricted format issue.
[08:14] <Xeon3D> windows erases the MBR each time you install it
[08:14] <Xeon3D> so GRUB went bye bye
[08:14] <Xeon3D> so unless you made a startup disk.. or similar...
[08:14] <Xeon3D> you're f*cked
[08:14] <geneo91> bronson what do you have
[08:14] <bronson_> geneo91: ??
[08:15] <_pink> hello???
[08:15] <geneo91> bronson what distro hoary or warty
[08:15] <bronson_> Hoary.
[08:15] <bronson_> Worked fine under Warty.
[08:15] <yfir> bronson: your problem sounds exactly like mine. you have system sounds?
[08:16] <geneo91> kde plays them by default
[08:16] <bronson_> yfir: nope, nothing.
[08:16] <yfir> bronson: other medida players work? like totem-xine?
[08:16] <bronson_> yfir: nope.
[08:16] <yfir> bronson: oh, ok, maybe your problem isn't the same as mine.
[08:16] <yfir> bronson: the only progs causing me problems are mplayer and xmms. everything else works
[08:16] <geneo91> ahh mine fine even tv works goodd
[08:16] <bronson_> mpg321 even locks up on my system.
[08:17] <bronson_> Any time anything tries to play a sound.
[08:17] <DonL> _pink?
[08:17] <geneo91> yfir:  maybe you need to look at output then plugins
[08:18] <_pink> ok i just need to know the numbers that i need to enter into the xorg.conf file for HorizSync and VertRefresh because when i try to use the graphical version of Ubuntu 5.04 it just goes to "Cannot Display Video Mode"
[08:18] <yfir> geneo91: ya, i've been digging around for a week, but havent figured it out yet
[08:18] <bronson_> yfir: I take it back.  totem-xine does work.
[08:18] <bronson_> nothing else does.
[08:19] <DonL> _pink, that's probably not what you need
[08:19] <yfir> bronson: ok. our problem isn't unique to us. many people have complained about it but no solutions yet
[08:19] <johndoher> hey all, I'm in windows right now, and I have to reboot into Ubuntu safe mode to do some 'shooting, part of which includes editing the file /etc/modules.  Newbie questoin: how do I edit text?
[08:19] <johndoher> will "less" do it?
[08:19] <_pink> ok well do you know what i need?
[08:19] <_pink> or a way that i can figur eout what i need
[08:20] <geneo91> yfir:  disable esd
[08:20] <ssangkal> does anyone know how can make eclipse run over ubuntu system?
[08:20] <DonL> There seems to be an issue with Nvidia which I assume you have, and Xorg....
[08:21] <DonL> There is a way around it, but I've never found a good one. Others have, so I'll turn that over to them...
[08:21] <_pink> um...i don't know if i have it or not but i guess if you think i do than that would be a good assumption
[08:21] <_pink> oh ok, how do i get in touch with those people?
[08:21] <DonL> First, check if you have an Nvidia card
[08:21] <_pink> how?
[08:22] <bronson_> geneo91: yes!!  That was it.
[08:22] <geneo91> DonL:  not here i have it working just fine
[08:22] <bronson_> "killall esd"
[08:22] <bronson_> Now sound works everywhere.
[08:22] <bronson_> Man, audio servers SUCK.  The only thing worse than ESD is ARTS...
[08:22] <johndoher> how do I "install gcc"?
[08:22] <bronson_> geneo91: thanks!
[08:23] <geneo91> bronson i dont know a thing
[08:23] <bur[n] er> anyone else notice a huge memory leak in gnome-panel??
[08:23] <DonL> you can type dmesg in a terminal and see what it says
[08:23] <bur[n] er> after a day of use.. i was up to 350 megs of RAM used
[08:23] <geneo91> johndoher:  build-esenseial
[08:23] <DarthFrog> 
[08:23] <geneo91>  or something like that
[08:24] <Marble2> phew
[08:24] <DonL> hey Marble2 , how's it going?
[08:24] <Marble2> okay, windows didn't mess with linux
[08:24] <Marble2> good
[08:24] <Marble2> lilo ran fine
[08:24] <Marble2> back to ubuntu
[08:25] <DonL> so far so good...
[08:25] <Marble2> time to do some damage control and get my "Datez" away from windows
[08:25] <geneo91> DarthFrog:  wb
[08:25] <DarthFrog> geneo91: Thanks.  That actually was my kitty on the keyboard. :-)
[08:25] <Marble2> how can I set mkfs up to format stuff to fat32?
[08:25] <geneo91> windows dont have that power
[08:25] <DonL> Your files you were so worried about on Windows were dates?
[08:26] <Marble2> what other words end with a*ez. think about it
[08:26] <geneo91> Marble2:  leme send you some viruses for windows
[08:26] <DarthFrog> Marble2:  Suez, Juarez. :-)
[08:26] <Marble2> winnnar
[08:26] <Quinn_Storm> Marble2: mkfs.vfat -F 32
[08:26] <_pink> DonL how do i find out how i do this? :-(
[08:26] <Marble2> thanks Quinn_Storm
[08:27] <huhe> how do you install flash on hoary ?
[08:27] <Quinn_Storm> Marble2: its in the manual for mkfs.vfat
[08:27] <huhe> its not the same as on warty
[08:27] <DonL> _pink, how what? to find out your card?
[08:27] <Marble2> ty
[08:27] <_pink> ya that first of all
[08:27] <_pink> also from a root terminal, how do i find out my IP address (cuz the problem is on my dads computer and i want to work on it so i need to connect from mine)
[08:28] <DonL> _pink, there are much easier ways, but just type dmesg and read what it says
[08:28] <DonL> You'll either have an Nvidia card or an ATI card probably
[08:28] <Marble2> Thanks for your help tonight DonL
[08:28] <DonL> Your welcome, Marble2  anytime
[08:29] <_pink> it says a bunch of random stuff
[08:29] <_pink> and then it lists my input devices
[08:29] <_pink> thats it
[08:29] <DonL> let me check mine. just a sec
[08:30] <_pink> also from a root terminal, how do i find out my IP address (cuz the problem is on my dads computer and i want to work on it so i need to connect from mine)
[08:30] <geneo91> _pink:  no read it all
[08:31] <geneo91> _pink:  ifconfig
[08:31] <NumPy> any one ever user MINICOm to terminal into a cisco router?
[08:31] <DonL> I'll have to enlist someone else's help.... Anyone know the command for checking what video card is installed?
[08:32] <DonL> I know what one I have because I physically put it into the machine
[08:32] <Quinn_Storm> DonL: start at lspci
[08:32] <DarthFrog> lspci -v
[08:32] <johndoher> a wiki's advising me to "install gcc"... what's the command line for this?
[08:33] <Xeon3D> apt-get install gcc
[08:33] <Xeon3D> with a sudo before apt-get
[08:33] <DarthFrog> johndoher:  "sudo apt-get update && apt-get install gcc"
[08:33] <ssangkal> are you trying to run java code running over your system?
[08:33] <DonL> Thanks, Quinn_Storm
[08:34] <cg0def> can someone help me with a gnome
[08:34] <cg0def> problem
[08:35] <cg0def> I won't pick up alsa
[08:35] <cg0def> alsa runs just fine but gnome refuses to use it
[08:35] <johndoher> thanks
[08:35] <Xeon3D> why not use EsounD ?
[08:35] <cg0def> well because I can't use that too
[08:35] <DonL> ok _pink I'm coming over to your house to see your computer.
[08:35] <cg0def> seems like the whe whole multimedia system is messed up
[08:36] <_pink> lol
[08:36] <cg0def> i use gnome 2.8 btw
[08:36] <_pink> hey question if i am only in txt mode how do i scroll up?
[08:36] <johndoher> one more thing: I need the kernel headers, and I'm using 64-bit warty.  the wiki uses "f.e. # apt-get install linux-kernel-headers-i686" as an example.  what's my line gonna be?
[08:37] <geneo91> you dont
[08:37] <johndoher> *FYI/BTW, f.e. is for example*
[08:37] <DonL> I'd be lost as well, _pink
[08:37] <Xeon3D> johndoher,  : try apt-cache search linux-kernel-headers | more
[08:38] <Marble2> how come I keep getting errors that "the device is in use or the directory is in use"
[08:38] <Marble2> when neither is true
[08:38] <_pink> :-( sigh ok...
[08:38] <Marble2> mount: /dev/hdb already mounted or /fat32 busy
[08:38] <Marble2> /dev/hdb is not mounted and I just created the directory
[08:38] <geneo91> DonL:  maybe tou should have my configureration then
[08:39] <DonL> geneo91, what do you mean
[08:39] <mdedios> hey people
[08:39] <geneo91> Marble2:  try hdb1
[08:39] <mdedios> may somebodye help a little
[08:39] <mdedios> ?
[08:39] <Marble2> oh duh
[08:40] <Marble2> forgot the partition number
[08:40] <Marble2> thanks geneo91
[08:40] <mdedios> :)
[08:40] <geneo91> hdb is just the drive
[08:40] <cg0def> ok apparently one of my config files got wiped out but does anyone know what the name of the file is?
[08:40] <cg0def> it should be in the home dir
[08:40] <DonL> _pink, I'm thinking you have the problem I had with another distro of Linux I was using. Sounds like the same problem
[08:41] <DonL> .. Worked fine under XFree86, Broke when they went to XOrg....
[08:41] <_pink> so how do i fix it? are you sure it isn't something wrong in the xorg.conf file?
[08:41] <mdedios> need to know the command to load a package: "snd-sbawe"
[08:41] <Marble2> hm, what's up with this?
[08:41] <Marble2> root@Greg:/ # mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/hdb1
[08:41] <Marble2> mkfs.vfat 2.10 (22 Sep 2003)
[08:41] <DonL> Nvidia drivers were the problem I think
[08:41] <Marble2> and that's it. Nothing else
[08:41] <Marble2> shouldnt that format /deb/hdb1 to fat32?
[08:42] <Marble2> i checked fdisk and it still shows up as ntfs
[08:42] <dracflamloc> sup
[08:42] <geneo91> iecathaurity  jsut ddelete it
[08:42] <DonL> It was a matter of getting the NVidia drivers from Nvidia, installing them, then changing the Xorg conf file to Nvidia from nv
[08:42] <DonL> ...a couple other things as well I think
[08:42] <cg0def> is there a way to recreate gnome config files for a given user?
[08:43] <zenrox> mdedios,  easy sudo modprobe snd-sbawe
[08:43] <Marble2> anyone?
[08:43] <zenrox> mdedios,  then add that to the /etc/modules file  so it will load at boot up
[08:43] <geneo91> iceautherity
[08:44] <DonL> _pink, I hesitate to say you have the same problem, because it may be something different and I don't want to lead you down the wrong road
[08:44] <SuperLag> Why would your system not mount a partition from an SATA drive, on boot, that you have specified correctly in /etc/fstab, and that you can successfully mount manually after the boot is complete?
[08:44] <mdedios> okey okey zenrox
[08:44] <mdedios> thanks a lot
[08:44] <geneo91> damn cant spell anymore
[08:44] <huhe> there isn't a unofficial reference page for hoary.  i am wishing to install flash for firefox.  can anyone help ?
[08:44] <zenrox> mdedios,  n/p
[08:44] <huhe> the warty way doesn't seem to work
[08:44] <_pink> it said under "device" on that computer that i have an Intel graphics card
[08:44] <Xeon3D> huhe : check this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=23368
[08:44] <huhe> thanks
[08:45] <lunitik> What is the site called that tells you about the hosts of sites? (what they are running etc...)
[08:45] <SuperLag> netcraft
[08:45] <lunitik> SuperLag: ahh... thank you  :)
[08:45] <DonL> _pink, don't know what to tell you then. Sorry
[08:45] <syn-ack> netcraft.co.uk
[08:45] <_pink> hmm...ok well thanks anyway i guess u did ure best.
[08:46] <DonL> If it's an old Intel 800 series card, it may not be supported. Don't know
[08:46] <Marble2> guys, why isnt mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/hdb1 working
[08:46] <SuperLag> syn-ack: I was about to say that when I installed Ubuntu, it worked fine.  But when I rebooted it didn't work.  Same results after installing Kubuntu.
[08:46] <deFrysk> is it mouted ?
[08:46] <deFrysk> mounted
[08:46] <_pink> btw do you know how i can ssh to his computer his IP when i run ifconfig is 192.168.2.24 with no other addresses and i tried sshing into it but it won't work
[08:46] <geneo91> damn ran outof beer
[08:46] <Marble2> no it idnt
[08:47] <Quinn_Storm> Marble2: try mkdosfs -F 32 /dev/hdb1
[08:47] <syn-ack> SuperLag: whats that line again?
[08:47] <SuperLag> which line?
[08:47] <DonL> That's serious, geneo91
[08:47] <DonL> Here, have one of mine
[08:47] <syn-ack> SuperLag: For the sATA drive.
[08:47] <zenrox> _pink,  easy ssh hislogin@iphere
[08:47] <Marble2> Quinn_Storm: didnt work
[08:47] <SuperLag> /dev/sda1
[08:47] <Quinn_Storm> Marble2: what is the error?
[08:47] <Marble2> none
[08:47] <_pink> how do i find out his login?
[08:47] <SuperLag> syn-ack: what are you referring to?
[08:47] <syn-ack> SuperLag: The whole line....
[08:47] <Marble2> it simply says
[08:47] <Marble2> mkdosfs 2.10 (22 Sep 2003)
[08:48] <Marble2> then brings me back to command line
[08:48] <Marble2> it changed nothing
[08:48] <geneo91> DonL:  its kinda dry
[08:48] <zenrox> _pink,  whats is user name he use
[08:48] <Quinn_Storm> Marble2: how can you be sure? a quick-fat-format is actually very very fast
[08:48] <Marble2> fdisk -l still shows it as ntfs
[08:48] <syn-ack> SuperLag: See, this is what I have: /dev/sda2       /               reiserfs defaults        0       1
[08:48] <Marble2> /dev/hdb1               1       19457   156288321    7  HPFS/NTFS
[08:48] <syn-ack> brb. have to make a core dump
[08:49] <Quinn_Storm> Marble2: fdisk just shows the partition type not the filesystem
[08:49] <Quinn_Storm> Marble2: to change the partition type use fdisk
[08:49] <Marble2> okay
[08:49] <DonL> Well, it's getting late here in this neck of the woods, so good night to all
[08:49] <Marble2> how do I view the filesystem
[08:49] <Marble2> night DonL
[08:49] <_pink> do i have to enter anything into the username etc things?
[08:49] <Quinn_Storm> Marble2: try mounting it with mount /dev/hdb1 /mountpoint -t vfat and see if it works
[08:50] <geneo91> donl cheers
[08:50] <zenrox> _pink,  it will ask for a password
[08:50] <Marble2> Quinn_Storm: no errors
[08:50] <zenrox> his password
[08:50] <_pink> what is iphere?
[08:50] <Quinn_Storm> Marble2: then it should be fine, you already have it formatted fat32, just change the partition type
[08:50] <Marble2> how do I do that
[08:51] <lynxx> anyone know where i can get ati drivers for ubuntu?
[08:51] <SuperLag> syn-ack: want to hear something scary? as in VERY scary?!
[08:51] <zenrox> _pink, put in the ip
[08:51] <Marble2> lynxx: Mine didn't need any when I installed
[08:51] <_pink> oh :-P ic
[08:51] <zenrox> _pink,  you a blonde lol
[08:51] <_pink> lol ya actually >.<
[08:51] <lynxx> well...can ya tell me how to change the resolution?
[08:52] <zenrox> _pink,  i am blonde to it sucks
[08:52] <_pink> lynxx i'm having the same prollem u r
[08:52] <zenrox> _pink,  no bilth being blonde hehehe
[08:52] <lynxx> gah found it
[08:53] <lynxx> hrm
[08:53] <SuperLag> syn-ack: PING!
[08:53] <lynxx> its just not right
[08:53] <_pink> but his ip won't work :-( its the routers ip is the reason why...its 192.168.2.24 but i can't use that cuz it won't work :-(
[08:53] <huhe> is flashplayer-mozilla no longer in any of the hoary respositories ?
[08:54] <zenrox> _pink, hmmm how is the network set up
[08:54] <huhe> i've also got universe and multiverse enabled
[08:55] <syn-ack> SuperLag: Yo
[08:55] <syn-ack> SuperLag: did that work?
[08:55] <huhe> ha nevermind firefox does it for you
[08:55] <geneo91> huhe:  what about restricted
[08:55] <moonspell> hello i have ubuntu 5.0.4 and i cant use evolation,its working on procces list but i cant use it on desktop
[08:55] <SuperLag> syn-ack: RAID1, wasn't RAID-1'ing!!! get my deliberately poor grammar?  I just mounted /dev/sdb1, and there's NOTHING on it.
[08:56] <syn-ack> SuperLag: no shit?
[08:56] <SuperLag> no shit
[08:57] <syn-ack> SuperLag: I think its a hardware issue then
[08:57] <SuperLag> That REALLY bothers me.
[08:57] <SuperLag> I don't.
[08:57] <SuperLag> I think it's a PEBKAC error somewhere.
[08:57] <syn-ack> hrm
[08:58] <geneo91> if its a mirror drive it wont have anything
[08:58] <SuperLag> geneo91: o.O
[08:58] <SuperLag> it won't?
[08:59] <geneo91> nope mine dont
[08:59] <moonspell> hello i have ubuntu 5.0.4 and i cant use evolation,its working on procces list but i cant use it on desktop
[08:59] <geneo91> hde and hdf dont show nothing here
[09:00] <SuperLag> geneo91: then how do you know the drive is actually being mirrored, and RAID is doing it's job?
[09:01] <geneo91> hard ware raid is different and controlled by hardware
[09:01] <SuperLag> geneo91: right... but let's say drive sda fails
[09:02] <_pink> the network isn't really set up...
[09:02] <SuperLag> how does drive sdb take over?
[09:02] <geneo91> when i look at hda its looking at hda and hde both
[09:02] <_pink> oh, ok...i tried in a command line and it said ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.24 port 22: Connection refused
[09:02] <syn-ack> geneo91: you're wrong
[09:02] <syn-ack> 01:02 < Coma> syn-ack: yup, both disks out of a raid1 set should work as a
[09:02] <syn-ack>               normal disk too
[09:02] <geneo91> super then it will still be hda
[09:04] <geneo91> mines set up for 0,1 so it may be different
[09:04] <gabaug> any ideas why GNOME on Hoary would almost constantly freeze up for a fraction of a second (mouse, music, display included)??
[09:04] <geneo91> 4 drives
[09:06] <nessmuk> moonspell...when I upgraded from warty to hoary, I had the same problem with some items....launcher icons wouldn't show on the desktop. When I ran the upgrade manager and rebooted, it was all good
[09:07] <moonspell> which upgrade package we need?
[09:09] <geneo91> i dont wana be nasty or anything but if you read docs its very helpful
[09:12] <geneo91> you cant possibly learn anything from others knowledge
[09:13] <kingsley> Does putting ext3's journal on a different disk improve performance?
[09:15] <geneo91> kingsley:  now how would you do that
[09:16] <kingsley> geneo91: Two disk drives and mkfs.ext2 with -J device=
[09:16] <crimsun> kingsley: under certain circumstances, yes, but for the majority, an internal will suffice.
[09:17] <geneo91> kingsley:  if you want preformance use reiserfs4
[09:17] <kingsley> crimsun: Why wouldn't a heavily loaded drive always benefit from having its journal on an unused drive, much like swap?
[09:18] <crimsun> kingsley: I didn't say it wouldn't, in that in fact falls under the "certain circumstances" I mentioned.  On the other hand, if your drives are always heavily loaded, it's time to investigate another solution, like RAID.
[09:21] <geneo91> crimsun:  i never would atempt such a thing if you lose your journel you fscked
[09:21] <LiberalTugboat> hey hey hey
[09:21] <crimsun> LiberalTugboat: hi.
[09:22] <crimsun> geneo91: in those situations, losing a journal would be the least of one's concerns.
[09:23] <geneo91> crimsun:  raid is so much better
[09:23] <Xeon3D> Can anyone tell me a nice way to erase files from a NTFS partition? (using vmware or smth similar...)
[09:23] <LiberalTugboat> Hammer?
[09:23] <LiberalTugboat> Drill?
[09:24] <jchr1111> Hey I'm new to linux and I'm trying to setup Samba on Ubuntu 5.04 RC
[09:24] <jchr1111> any suggestions
[09:24] <geneo91> Xeon3D:  fdisk
[09:24] <Xeon3D> geneo91,  I wanted to erase files.. not the whole partition...
[09:24] <Freezer|> :-)
[09:24] <syn-ack> jchr1111: man samba
[09:24] <LiberalTugboat> jchr1111, there are tons and tons of samba guides on the net
[09:25] <syn-ack> jchr1111: check out their site too
[09:25] <syn-ack> LiberalTugboat: how goes?
[09:25] <jchr1111> k... like where?
[09:25] <syn-ack> jchr1111: like samba.org
[09:25] <syn-ack> jchr1111: and again, man sambe
[09:25] <mebaran151> I am trying to compile Gimp print 5.0
[09:25] <syn-ack> samba, that is
[09:25] <LiberalTugboat> it goes good... how are you?
[09:25] <mebaran151> to test/use along with Gimp print 4.27
[09:25] <mebaran151> it always fails
[09:25] <mebaran151> what do I do
[09:26] <mebaran151> I tried checkinstall
[09:26] <geneo91> i know just dont have use for wincrap
[09:26] <LiberalTugboat> what is it failing on?
[09:26] <syn-ack> LiberalTugboat: not too bad. pondering bed.
[09:26] <mebaran151> but it seems to fudge on the installation of the man pages
[09:26] <mebaran151> here is the error
[09:26] <syn-ack> mebaran151: checkinstall?
[09:26] <mebaran151> I have the devel libs installed
[09:26] <mebaran151> checkinstall:  it is a really cool app that allows you to make a source pkg
[09:26] <LiberalTugboat> syn-ack, checkinstall is to roll your own debs
[09:26] <syn-ack> Thats a redhat thing, isnt it?
[09:26] <mebaran151> that  you compile yourself in source into debs
[09:26] <mebaran151> so I can remove it later when I fuck it up
[09:26] <LiberalTugboat> (or into RPMS)
[09:27] <syn-ack> I was not aware that it packaged debs. interesting
[09:27] <mebaran151> very cool
[09:27] <mebaran151> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/mebaran/gimp-print-5.0.0-beta2/po'
[09:27] <mebaran151> Making install in man
[09:27] <mebaran151> make[1] : Entering directory `/home/mebaran/gimp-print-5.0.0-beta2/man'
[09:27] <mebaran151> make[2] : Entering directory `/home/mebaran/gimp-print-5.0.0-beta2/man'
[09:27] <mebaran151> make[2] : Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'.
[09:27] <mebaran151> test -z "/usr/local/man/man1" || mkdir -p -- . "/usr/local/man/man1"
[09:27] <mebaran151> mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/local/man': File exists
[09:27] <mebaran151> make[2] : *** [install-man1]  Error 1
[09:27] <rdw200169> stop it
[09:27] <mebaran151> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/mebaran/gimp-print-5.0.0-beta2/man'
[09:27] <mebaran151> make[1] : *** [install-am]  Error 2
[09:28] <mebaran151> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/mebaran/gimp-print-5.0.0-beta2/man'
[09:28] <mebaran151> make: *** [install-recursive]  Error 1
[09:28] <rdw200169> stop
[09:28] <mebaran151> flood whoops
[09:28] <mebaran151> sorry all
[09:28] <rdw200169> STOP
[09:28] <mebaran151> yeah
[09:28] <syn-ack> I used checkinstall all the time when I was on RedHat
[09:28] <mebaran151> it is already posted
[09:28] <mebaran151> ok
[09:28] <mebaran151> so it looks like it wants to creat /man
[09:28] <mebaran151> ../man
[09:28] <mebaran151> but it cant because it is already there
[09:28] <mebaran151> what kind of installer tries to creat the man dir
[09:28] <mebaran151> isnt it linux std
[09:28] <syn-ack> mebaran151: Stop abusing your return key
[09:29] <geneo91> says enter here
[09:29] <LiberalTugboat> looks like a bug
[09:29] <mebaran151> (bad habits die hard syn-ack, so sorry, but I dont think it could be termed to be abuse, just negligence
[09:30] <zzyber> im having problem with horay 5.04 and ahc_dv_0 that taking 100% cpu after boot, does anyone know how to solve this?
[09:30] <syn-ack> Whatever you call it, stop it. Thanks
[09:30] <LiberalTugboat> have you tried just makeinstall
[09:30] <geneo91> squas it
[09:30] <mebaran151> LiberalTugboat, yep
[09:30] <crimsun> zzyber: current Hoary?
[09:30] <mebaran151> same problem
[09:30] <zzyber> crimsun, a week old
[09:31] <LiberalTugboat> did the make go through without problems?
[09:31] <mebaran151> make made fine
[09:31] <crimsun> zzyber: dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'
[09:31] <mebaran151> as far as I could tell
[09:31] <DMX> sal
[09:31] <geneo91> make depends
[09:31] <DMX> hy
[09:31] <drbombay43> geneo91: can xfs be converted to reiserfs4 on a running machine?
[09:32] <LiberalTugboat> you might want to check gimp prints forums and see if anyone else has the problems
[09:32] <DMX> helooooooo
[09:32] <geneo91> no
[09:32] <mebaran151> I might just try to new alpha
[09:32] <zzyber> crimsun, 2.6.10-25.2
[09:32] <crimsun> zzyber: too old. Please update && dist-upgrade
[09:32] <zzyber> crimsun, okey......im on it
[09:32] <crimsun> zzyber: linux-source-2.6.10 (2.6.10-30)  ...  * Fix ahc_dv_0 CPU usage: - Add patch aic7xx-sleep.dpatch. (Closes: #7592)
[09:33] <drbombay43> geneo91: is it a option during install?
[09:33] <zzyber> crimsun, and i have search that but not found it, are u some kind of wiki autoboot :-) Thx
[09:33] <LiberalTugboat> seems like most people are running hoary now
[09:33] <crimsun> zzyber: np
[09:34] <crimsun> LiberalTugboat: yes, since it releases in less than one week :)
[09:34] <LiberalTugboat> everyone is impatiant
[09:34] <geneo91> oh install is diff then but you have to use lilo instead of grub then
[09:34] <LiberalTugboat> yeah I have been running it for almost a month now
[09:34] <drbombay43> geneo91: I ask because I'm getting ready to reinstall
[09:35] <LiberalTugboat> calc, what issue?
[09:35] <LiberalTugboat> and did you report it to bugzilla?
[09:35] <calc> LiberalTugboat: atapi dma was disabled in the kernels
[09:35] <geneo91> crimsun:  why was i thrown back to xfree86 yesterday
[09:35] <calc> i reported it directly the kernel guys and aiui its already fixed (or will be rsn)
[09:35] <calc> well not really just disabled but made to where atapi could not be enabled
[09:36] <calc> er where dma could not be enabled for atapi mean
[09:36] <LiberalTugboat> hmm
[09:36] <crimsun> geneo91: I have no idea, I haven't touched XFree86 since I started running Hoary.  What happened?
[09:36] <LiberalTugboat> well it is crunch time for them, things will still slip through
[09:36] <calc> so for example you can not enable dma for a dvd writer
[09:37] <calc> yea
[09:37] <calc> afaik its been that way since nov
[09:37] <calc> i just don't use my optical drive often so i just now noticed it
[09:37] <geneo91> crimsun:  i dunno i was just updating as i do daily
[09:37] <LiberalTugboat> I bet the main release team gets less the 10 hours of sleep between now and wednesday
[09:37] <calc> there were a few bug reports about it, but it seems the people that dealt with them didn't realize what the reporter was saying
[09:38] <geneo91> calc:  my dma is enabled
[09:38] <calc> geneo91: platform?
[09:38] <calc> geneo91: and is that on atapi or a hd?
[09:38] <geneo91> at least it says it is
[09:39] <calc> 2.6.10?
[09:39] <geneo91> hoary
[09:39] <geneo91> hard to say i have many things here
[09:39] <LiberalTugboat> I have been able to enable DMA on my dvd/cdrw
[09:39] <Xeon3D> F*CK... that's why I couldn't burn at more than 2x...
[09:39] <calc> hmm interesting
[09:39] <lunitik> geneo91: platform = x86/amd64/ia64/mac
[09:39] <Xeon3D> :(
[09:40] <calc> it may be that you can still enable it on i386
[09:40] <geneo91> scsi ide mix writers for both
[09:40] <folta> hey all, does anyone know how to get mplayer to play nice with realaudio files? it recognizes the type but it can't seem to oad the codecs
[09:40] <Freezer|> Hi, I need image magick for Typo3 but the current php version (PHP Version 4.3.10-10ubuntu3) is not compiled with imagick . Do I have to compile my own PHP-Version?
[09:40] <LiberalTugboat> Im running i686 kernal
[09:40] <geneo91> x86 smp
[09:40] <calc> from what i have read on the bug report ppc can't and i have amd64 which can't
[09:41] <geneo91> calc:  686
[09:41] <calc> so maybe the i386 version of that is buggy or something
[09:41] <Bazzi> Freezer| I think theres php4-imagick apt-getable
[09:41] <calc> since the doc makes it sound like it should be disabled so that you can't turn it on
[09:41] <calc> and hdparm says operation not permitted (not failed)
[09:42] <LiberalTugboat> you trying with sudo? (stupid question)
[09:42] <calc> yes
[09:42] <geneo91> calc:  mine was done by defaults
[09:42] <calc> works fine on a knoppix i386 2.6.9 kernel
[09:42] <Xeon3D> maybe it depends on your chipset?
[09:42] <Freezer|> Bazzi, I know. I have installed it with apt-get and added the line extension=imagick.so to php.ini but Typo3 doesn't recognize imagick.
[09:42] <calc> its via
[09:42] <geneo91> via here
[09:43] <calc> but it would say operation failed if it wasn't working
[09:43] <calc> so its a kernel blocking thing
[09:43] <calc> as a user you would get this:
[09:43] <calc>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Permission denied
[09:43] <calc> kernel blocking (apparently):
[09:43] <calc>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[09:43] <Freezer|> I think the reason is that the PHP Version is not compiled with imagick
[09:43] <calc> when the drive doesn't support something:
[09:43] <calc>  HDIO_SET_MULTCOUNT failed: Invalid argument
[09:43] <geneo91> appollo 13pro
[09:44] <calc> geneo91: mine is vt8237
[09:44] <geneo91> 133
[09:44] <calc> seems to be an arch related issue
[09:44] <Bazzi> Freezer| weird. did you restart apache?
[09:44] <Freezer|> Yes
[09:45] <LiberalTugboat> amanda@ubuntulaptop:~$ sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd
[09:45] <LiberalTugboat> Password:
[09:45] <LiberalTugboat> /dev/dvd:
[09:45] <LiberalTugboat>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[09:45] <LiberalTugboat>  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[09:45] <LiberalTugboat> works for me
[09:46] <Bazzi> Freezer| well, usually, apache crashes if you dont have the extension but enable it in php.ini. does phpinfo() say its loaded?
[09:47] <calc> LiberalTugboat: arch i386?
[09:47] <Freezer|> no
[09:47] <LiberalTugboat> yeah
[09:47] <LiberalTugboat> but I use 686 kernel
[09:47] <calc> LiberalTugboat: yea same thing
[09:47] <Freezer|> phpinfo says nothing about imagick
[09:48] <matthewrevell> Morning all
[09:48] <LiberalTugboat> calc, have you tried the i386 version
[09:48] <LiberalTugboat> like maybe the live cd
[09:48] <Freezer|> mysql , gd is supported
[09:48] <LiberalTugboat> see if that works
[09:48] <calc> LiberalTugboat: i have tried a knoppix disk that didn't have it enabled already
[09:49] <calc> i suppose i could download the live cd and try it with the ubuntu kernel
[09:49] <LiberalTugboat> yeah I would give it a shot
[09:49] <geneo91> calc:  cant be the case for either both let me enable dma
[09:49] <LiberalTugboat> I would try it on amd64, but I cant afford the parts (I could try it at work though)
[09:50] <calc>                          * MAJOR HACK BARF :-/
[09:50] <Freezer|> I am going to reinstall the package of php4-imagick
[09:53] <RexM> how's the install with ubuntu? easy like red hat? or hard like gentoo?
[09:54] <linuxboy> RexM: easy like debian
[09:54] <Bazzi> it does everything automagically
[09:54] <RexM> linuxboy: i've never installed debian, lol
[09:54] <LiberalTugboat> RexM, easiest there is
[09:54] <LiberalTugboat> well not easier then mepis
[09:54] <LiberalTugboat> but close
[09:54] <RexM> ok, i wanted to make sure i didn't need to print out a manual or something before i went ahead with it
[09:54] <spear> hi !
[09:54] <crimsun> if you're staring at the installer more than once, there are serious problems...
[09:55] <super_dude2> i have a problem with soundcard drivers
[09:55] <RexM> ok, well i'll bbl, then.. hopefully on ubuntu.. lol
[09:55] <LiberalTugboat> super_dude2, what problema?
[09:55] <crimsun> super_dude2: what sound card? lsmod, lspci (or lspnp), and dmesg output?
[09:56] <mebaran151> make uninstall?  do you need to type uninstall afterward
[09:56] <mebaran151> or does it sort of happen
[09:56] <super_dude2> it willnot detect my soundcard it is builtin and wht the heck is tht
[09:56] <LiberalTugboat> make uninstall
[09:56] <crimsun> super_dude2: type those commands in a terminal and paste the output to http://pastebin.com
[09:57] <super_dude2> ok
[09:57] <Xeon3D> lsmod lspci are commands that check out pci devices on your pc (your integrated one is one of those) and modules loaded
[09:57] <super_dude2> ok
[09:57] <super_dude2> ty
[09:58] <super_dude2> and i have another problem ill tel you later
[09:58] <spear> i didn't check yet, but, by default with ubuntu, in the kernel, most things are loadable as modules ?
[09:58] <spear> or is it a miniimum kernel ???
[10:00] <spear> no idea ?
[10:00] <LiberalTugboat> spear, seems to me that most things are loadable
[10:01] <super_dude2> sorry im taking so long slow computer
[10:01] <geneo91> spear:  its not striped by default
[10:01] <LiberalTugboat> but I could be wrong
[10:01] <spear> that's because i' m testing some Network cards, and was wondering if they had many chances to be detected, and mostly, loaded :)
[10:02] <spear> (these are not recent cards, so i increase my chances :p)
[10:02] <geneo91> spear:  depends
[10:03] <geneo91> most are supported
[10:03] <jeavis> hello
[10:03] <spear> i had an un successful try with an isa card ... i " modprobe ne irq=x io=y" , the module loaded, so ifconfig saw it and i was able to configure it, but never managed to ping anything else than the card itself
[10:03] <jeavis> I need help about samba
[10:04] <spear> hi jeavis
[10:04] <jeavis> hi spear
[10:04] <spear> did you check the unofficial guide ?
[10:04] <jeavis> spear; yes I did all
[10:04] <spear> so what's wrong ?
[10:04] <jeavis> spear; but now how I can access to my pc
[10:04] <super_dude2> ok iv pasted it
[10:04] <jeavis> spear; what do I need
[10:05] <spear> i don' t understand :) ... what do you want to do ?
[10:05] <aesiamun> he wants to samba
[10:05] <spear> you want to share files between your linux & windows machines
[10:06] <jeavis> spear; I want to access my pc from my laptop
[10:06] <calc> to share files get m$ services for unix, or just use samba (ugh)
[10:06] <super_dude2> soundcard problem u heard i posted it?
[10:06] <calc> services for unix being the preferred way
[10:06] <Xeon3D> are they free?
[10:06] <aesiamun> svc doesn't work on win98  do they?
[10:06] <calc> yea
[10:06] <aesiamun> sfu
[10:06] <aesiamun> i mean
[10:06] <calc> aesiamun: oh, probably not
[10:06] <jeavis> spear; I want to access my pc from my laptop
[10:07] <calc> you need w2k or better iirc
[10:07] <geneo91> paynme i'll tell ya
[10:07] <calc> 98 isn't even getting security fixes anymore though (iirc) so its not a good idea to run that at all
[10:07] <jeavis> Hello How I can access my pc from my laptop
[10:07] <aesiamun> calc, tell that to management who needs software to be tested on it.
[10:07] <geneo91> calc:  na win98 is ok
[10:07] <aesiamun> because honestly 50%+ windows users are using win98
[10:08] <super_dude2> jeavis: vnc i use that it works well
[10:08] <geneo91> jeavis:  webmin
[10:08] <calc> i would keep a 98 system physically isolated if it had to be used at all
[10:08] <jeavis> super_dude2; what is vnc
[10:08] <aesiamun> it's internal development and staging area.
[10:08] <aesiamun> it's not available on the internet
[10:08] <LiberalTugboat> (i would keep any windows system isolated)
[10:09] <aesiamun> the interweb is unavailable to it.
[10:09] <spear> did youi install samba ?
[10:09] <super_dude2> jeavis: goto www.realvnc.com it has the stuff there
[10:09] <jeavis> spear; yes
[10:09] <spear> smbfs ?
[10:09] <calc> aesiamun: ah ok
[10:09] <geneo91> calc:  i would keep xp from everything
[10:10] <LiberalTugboat> Windows (the easiest intrusion point in a house) hmm... an interesting choice of name
[10:10] <calc> geneo91: xp at least gets security fixes eventually
[10:10] <aesiamun> calc, unfortunately we develop software for windows users...
[10:10] <geneo91> keep it on cd if possible
[10:10] <calc> 98 hasn't gotten any updates in years (aiui)
[10:10] <geneo91> calc:  long time to late
[10:11] <geneo91> calc:  not so
[10:11] <spear> i was probably too slow
[10:11] <spear> :)
[10:11] <drbombay43> how does one go about setting up his machone with a reiserfs file system?
[10:11] <geneo91> 2004 sep was last iirc
[10:11] <drbombay43> machine
[10:12] <LiberalTugboat> drbombay43, when you install, format with reiser
[10:12] <spear> did you already install the os ?
[10:12] <drbombay43> getting ready to reinstall now
[10:12] <crimsun> super_dude2: looking now
[10:12] <super_dude2> ok ty
[10:13] <geneo91> drbombay43:  dont use it if you want compat with other systems
[10:13] <drbombay43> I dont understand
[10:14] <drbombay43> checking google can't find any info
[10:14] <geneo91> drbombay43:  if you want sharing and so on
[10:14] <drbombay43> no file sharing with ext3
[10:14] <calc> geneo91: ah 98 got its death sentence extended
[10:14] <spear> why would you choose reiserfs (even if it's noto the question)
[10:14] <crimsun> super_dude2: sudo modprobe snd-cs4236 isapnp=0
[10:15] <calc> it was supposed to die jan 16 2004
[10:15] <drbombay43> just to check out the difference it makes
[10:15] <LiberalTugboat> calc, they are going to start letting companies pay to extend NT and 2000 support too
[10:16] <geneo91> reiserfs is for top of the line servers
[10:16] <spear> there' s a page that compares the different filesystems ... xfs, jfs, ext2/3, and so ...
[10:16] <spear> i can look for it if you' re interested
[10:16] <super_dude2> it didnt do anything
[10:16] <drbombay43> please
[10:16] <spear> ok, am checking
[10:16] <LiberalTugboat> running win 98 would today would be like running redhat 7
[10:16] <calc> LiberalTugboat: yea iirc they are extending it through sometime this year
[10:16] <drbombay43> thank you
[10:16] <geneo91> drbombay43:  your not going to see any diff on desktop ststem
[10:17] <calc> nt was supposed to die on dec 31, 2003 originally
[10:17] <calc> LiberalTugboat: redhat 4.2 was out when win98 came out
[10:17] <LiberalTugboat> to many businesses still use nt thought
[10:17] <LiberalTugboat> though
[10:17] <drbombay43> but how about for a web server?
[10:17] <LiberalTugboat> yeah but redhat 4.2 was not nearly as advanced
[10:17] <drbombay43> running apache
[10:18] <fsapo> LiberalTugboat, here we still find windows 95 running clipper applications :)
[10:18] <geneo91> LiberalTugboat:  i would have win98se before even thinking of xp
[10:18] <calc> linux desktop arguably still isn't up to win98
[10:18] <drbombay43> doing virtual hosting
[10:18] <calc> its getting pretty close though
[10:18] <LiberalTugboat> linux is way past win98
[10:19] <calc> well kde may be
[10:19] <LiberalTugboat> it can atleast use usb and wireless
[10:19] <super_dude2> crimsun; it did nothing
[10:19] <calc> gnome still doesn't make much use of bonobo
[10:19] <geneo91> calc:  its sure faster then xp though
[10:19] <calc> iow object embedding
[10:19] <difekta> what are some other gui file managers besides nautilus?
[10:19] <difekta> that would be on my system.
[10:19] <calc> even win95 did usb
[10:19] <calc> 95c
[10:19] <LiberalTugboat> HA
[10:19] <LiberalTugboat> that makes me laugh
[10:20] <geneo91> konqueror
[10:20] <difekta> lol.
[10:20] <difekta> konquerer sucks though.
[10:20] <difekta> lemme run it and see.
[10:20] <crimsun> super_dude2: good, now paste the output of amixer onto pastebin
[10:20] <spear> here they are ... in french :) .... but the bench results sare in english ! http://www.linux-france.org/article/sys/ext3fs/Benchmarks/
[10:20] <LiberalTugboat> 95 choked on anything and everything
[10:20] <geneo91> calc:  win95b
[10:20] <calc> difekta: konqueror is probably the best file manager that you will find under linux
[10:21] <calc> difekta: as far as features go
[10:21] <nessmuk> can anyone tell me what Hibernate is in the shutdown menu?
[10:21] <LiberalTugboat> and let me tell you, wireless on anything before xp service pack 2 sucks
[10:21] <calc> geneo91: 95b had usb but you had to install it separately from a file on the disk
[10:21] <difekta> kde apps are ugly.
[10:21] <calc> geneo91: 95c had it integrated (iirc)
[10:21] <calc> nessmuk: long term sleep mode
[10:22] <calc> nessmuk: writes memory to disk then powers off system
[10:22] <geneo91> yes many good feature with kde addons
[10:22] <nessmuk> calc....howz that different than sleep?
[10:22] <super_dude2> crimsun; it has been pasted
[10:22] <LiberalTugboat> nessmuk, no instant on
[10:22] <geneo91> calc:  95b was doable
[10:22] <calc> nessmuk: sleep is usually acpi S3 which saves state to memory and goes into low power mode
[10:22] <LiberalTugboat> and it doesnt use power
[10:22] <calc> nessmuk: S3 lasts days, hibernate (S5) lasts forever
[10:22] <nessmuk> oh....so it restarts fast ....cool...so it's stable?
[10:23] <crimsun> super_dude2: great.  Now use alsamixer to unmute the Master and PCM sliders (press 'm'), and use the up arrow key to increase the volume.
[10:23] <calc> S3 requires good hardware support
[10:23] <calc> S5 pretty much always works
[10:23] <LiberalTugboat> no acpi is stable in linux yet
[10:23] <bob2`> ACPI works flawlessly on my linux laptop
[10:23] <calc> geneo91: yea, i used to work for a computer shop that built systems
[10:23] <geneo91> like ecc memory
[10:23] <LiberalTugboat> what laptop?
[10:24] <bob2`> LiberalTugboat: IBM x40.
[10:24] <LiberalTugboat> hmm
[10:24] <bob2`> LiberalTugboat: s3 works on a surprising number of laptops, thanks to mjg59
[10:24] <rikki> to get my wirless-g pci adaptor to get an address from the ap's dhcp server, I'm having to first ifup the device w/ 'wireless-essid any' in my interfaces file, and then change it back to my essid and it works...any reason for this? or suggestions for automating that proceedure?
[10:24] <super_dude2> ok
[10:24] <LiberalTugboat> s3 suck on my laptop
[10:24] <bob2`> LiberalTugboat: please don't make broad and incorrect claims without looking into recent developments
[10:24] <calc> s3 won't work on mine :\
[10:24] <LiberalTugboat> wont turn the screen off
[10:24] <bob2`> LiberalTugboat: wiki.ubuntu.com/PMTesting
[10:25] <super_dude2> crimsun;iv done tha
[10:25] <calc> LiberalTugboat: acpi is stable, laptops in general are shit
[10:25] <geneo91> calc:  i built this one and several like it for others
[10:25] <crimsun> super_dude2: now play something
[10:25] <EvilIdler> When I do the first apt-get upgrade after a fresh install of Hoary, GLX stops working. Any ideas what breaks it?
[10:25] <LiberalTugboat> its not an incorrect claim, laptop support around the board in linux needs tons of work
[10:25] <calc> LiberalTugboat: so hacks have to be made to make each individual buggy pos laptop work under linux
[10:25] <bob2`> EvilIdler: did it upgrade your kernel?
[10:25] <super_dude2> crimsun: ty  ok ill try
[10:25] <bob2`> LiberalTugboat: "no acpi is stable in linux yet" is provably false
[10:25] <EvilIdler> bob2`: Nope. I'm still on the first reboot after initial install with the CD
[10:26] <bob2`> EvilIdler: did you redo the steps on wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:26] <calc> and btw all the acpi shit is directly microsofts fault
[10:26] <EvilIdler> bob2`: Done those many times :/
[10:26] <calc> their aml compiler is junk
[10:27] <calc> and their acpi code is so loose that anything will work so vendors just write crap code and fix it enough to work with windows
[10:27] <bob2`> if they used intel's validating compiler, it would all suck a lot less
[10:27] <calc> bob2`: intel's compiler still misses a lot of stuff
[10:27] <calc> a lot of important stuff, but it does catch most of the really stupid bugs
[10:27] <EvilIdler> bob2`: xpdyinfo claims I have GLX, and removing the packages and using NVidia's installer makes no change. I get 2D, no 3D
[10:28] <calc> of course linux acpi already works around the really stupid stuff
[10:28] <bob2`> EvilIdler: "no 3d"? how so? black empty windows when you run glxgears?
[10:28] <calc> at least intel's compiler missed a lot of important stuff the last time i used it early last year
[10:28] <geneo91> what if you dont have intel crap in your system
[10:29] <EvilIdler> bob2`: Whenever I run ANY GL program, including my own, I get this error: OpenGL GLX extension not supported by display ':0.0
[10:29] <calc> geneo91: intel wrote acpi spec so you are supposed to use intels compiler for aml (acpi dsdt language) regardless
[10:29] <EvilIdler> bob2`: xpdyinfo lists NV-GLX as installed and OK
[10:29] <calc> if you don't have acpi then you use whatever power management is on your non x86 box
[10:29] <bob2`> EvilIdler: ok, don't know then, sorry.  I'd try asking on the list.
[10:29] <EvilIdler> bob2`: It looks like my only option to get 3D working is to not upgrade Hoary :/
[10:29] <linuxboy> Im going to upgrade from Warty to Hoary soon. Anything i can prepare for? Any tips?? I have some Backports installed...
[10:29] <LiberalTugboat> bob2`, the words "highly experimentle" (taken from the link you posted) is not how I would describe "stable"
[10:30] <geneo91> calc:  power button
[10:30] <calc> and the acpi spec is less than 1000 pages you would think acpi coders could be bothered to actually read it
[10:31] <spear> thanks & bye !
[10:31] <super_dude2> crimsun: should it be able to play mp3s or wma files?
[10:31] <bob2`> EvilIdler: no, you ask on the list and report a bug
[10:31] <bob2`> linuxboy: get rid of all the backports
[10:31] <mebaran151> super_dude2, wma is for the weak
[10:31] <bob2`> linuxboy: and remember not to use them ever again
[10:31] <bob2`> LiberalTugboat: blah blah
[10:31] <EvilIdler> bob2`: There's a bugzilla or something, right?
[10:31] <linuxboy> bob2`: really? will that break it?
[10:32] <LiberalTugboat> wow there is a very mature comment
[10:32] <super_dude2> what about mp3s
[10:32] <geneo91> calc:  you mean anyone reads anything before they do things today
[10:32] <LiberalTugboat> first you tear into me
[10:32] <bob2`> EvilIdler: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[10:32] <LiberalTugboat> now you treat me like shit
[10:32] <bob2`> LiberalTugboat: it works for many people
[10:32] <EvilIdler> bob2`: Cheers
[10:32] <linuxboy> bob2`: but how do i get the latest software without them ?
[10:32] <bob2`> LiberalTugboat: which does not make it "no stable"
[10:32] <LiberalTugboat> it also does NOT work for many people
[10:32] <bob2`> linuxboy: you deal with not having software release five seconds ago, or you use the development version of ubuntu
[10:33] <bob2`> LiberalTugboat: yes, it does
[10:33] <bob2`> LiberalTugboat: it works for me.  it works for a dozen people I've personally met
[10:33] <linuxboy> bob2`: what ?
[10:33] <geneo91> well time for bed cyas l8r
[10:34] <bob2`> linuxboy: which bit was confusing?
[10:34] <linuxboy> bob2`: all of it
[10:34] <bob2`> 18:32:31       linuxboy |  bob2`: but how do i get the latest software without them ?
[10:34] <bob2`> 18:32:56          bob2` | linuxboy: you deal with not having software release five seconds ago, or you use the development version of ubuntu
[10:34] <EvilIdler> bob2`: Seems my bugs have already been reported multiple times. Time for some fun reading :)
[10:34] <linuxboy> bob2`: you deal with not having software release five seconds ago, ????
[10:34] <RexM> well, that was fairly easy
[10:34] <EMan> Everytime I play a game that fullscreens at a resolution that isn't the one Gnome is running at, my LCD monitor stops getting a signal. How do I fix this?
[10:35] <LiberalTugboat> yeah and in my expirience, and by reading the forums (and Im not just talking about ubuntu) its a common problem
[10:35] <super_dude2> crimsun: it is playing a cd but no sound is comming out
[10:35] <bob2`> LiberalTugboat: the forums are not representative of anything
[10:35] <mebaran151> super_dude2, check your mixer
[10:35] <bob2`> linuxboy: dude
[10:35] <bob2`> linuxboy: ubuntu comes out every six months
[10:35] <mebaran151> ah
[10:35] <bob2`> linuxboy: waiting a few months for newer stuff will not kill you
[10:35] <LiberalTugboat> ok, so the only voice in the world is yours?
[10:35] <bob2`> LiberalTugboat: no
[10:36] <LiberalTugboat> then dont shoot down other peoples opinions
[10:36] <bob2`> LiberalTugboat: I don't disagre with opinions, I'm disagreeing with your blanket statement that ACPI is not stable on linux
[10:36] <linuxboy> bob2`: what if there are features I want to use?
[10:36] <crimsun> super_dude2: you'd have to unmute and increase the volume for the CD slider
[10:36] <bob2`> linuxboy: then use the development version of ubuntu
[10:36] <LiberalTugboat> its my opinion
[10:36] <crimsun> super_dude2: to play mp3s, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:37] <mebaran151> crimsun, could you help me diagnose a rather odd make install problem
[10:37] <mebaran151> gimp-print beta conintually tries to creat the directory /usr/share/man
[10:37] <mebaran151> and fails
[10:38] <super_dude2> im using the defult cd player and it is playing along i can see the second counter
[10:38] <crimsun> hack Makefile.in to use install, or append || true
[10:38] <rikki> is there a way to run a command from the cli for at most a certain length of time?
[10:38] <rikki> and then kill it if it's still running when that timer elapses?
[10:38] <linuxboy> bob2`: ill use backports thank you very much
[10:38] <DarthFrog> rikki:  Sure. Write a shell script. :-)
[10:38] <bob2`> linuxboy: even if they make it impossible to upgrade to the next version of ubuntu?
[10:38] <bob2`> you can do whatever you want, of course, but be aware that they're rather dodgy and will cause problems in the future for you
[10:39] <linuxboy> bob2`: nothing is impossible, apt can do magic... ill fix it myself
[10:40] <bob2`> of course it's not impossible
[10:40] <bob2`> I already told you how to fix it (ie purge them all and install the warty versions before you update)
[10:40] <bob2`> apt can't fix itself, exactly *because* the backports are badly designed
[10:40] <bob2`> if they had proper version numbers, there would be no problem
[10:41] <Anubis> They fixed Rhythmbox finally!!!!!!!
[10:41] <mebaran151> haha
[10:41] <linuxboy> bob2`: you didnt tell me how to fix it
[10:41] <bob2`> yes I did
[10:42] <bob2`> 18:31:29          bob2` | linuxboy: get rid of all the backports
[10:42] <super_dude2> crimson; i cant hear it and my volume control in the top left corner of the screen pulls its sef back down if i put it up
[10:42] <linuxboy> yeah, whatever
[10:43] <super_dude2> top right
[10:43] <crimsun> super_dude2: can you hear music files?
[10:43] <super_dude2> nope
[10:43] <super_dude2> i get no sound
[10:43] <bob2`> linuxboy: ?
[10:43] <bob2`> linuxboy: seriously, you have to remove them before you can upgrade
[10:44] <crimsun> super_dude2: paste the output of dmesg|tail onto pastebin
[10:44] <super_dude2> ok
[10:44] <super_dude2> www.pastebin.com
[10:44] <difekta> does anyone know a way to make gdm spawn a new xserver when it logs someone in, so that it stays "alive" on the same xserver and I can always go to it to log a new person into my machine?
[10:47] <super_dude2> crimsun: it has been pasted
[10:47] <crimsun> hmm, not particularly useful, unfortunately.
[10:48] <super_dude2> so whats the problem
[10:48] <crimsun> super_dude2: please paste onto pastebin the output of ls -R /proc/asound/
[10:49] <super_dude2> crimsun: it has been pasted
[10:49] <super_dude2> crimsun:its under the previus one
[10:50] <EvilIdler> Found out what the GLX problem was. It seems the xorg server stopped accepting compositing+GLX simultaneously in recent versions.
[10:50] <rikki> is Gmail going to 2GB+ news? it is to me!
[10:51] <bob2`> EvilIdler: that's an nvidia proprietary driver issue, aiui
[10:52] <EvilIdler> bob2`: Perhaps. At least I have 3D accelleration now, and can go back to coding
[10:53] <crimsun> super_dude2: please unmute and increase DSP in alsamixer
[10:53] <drbombay43> bob2; hello , can you tell where the iptables rules are?
[10:54] <super_dude2> howd u unmute it
[10:54] <bob2`> drbombay43: do you mean "where does Ubuntu store the default iptables rules?"?
[10:54] <johnnybezak> has hoary been frozen?
[10:54] <bob2`> lots of times
[10:55] <bob2`> (there are multiples freezes)
[10:55] <bob2`> but it's in very very deep freeze now
[10:55] <johnnybezak> ok
[10:55] <drbombay43> bob2; yes
[10:55] <super_dude2> crimsun how do u unmute and turn up
[10:55] <bob2`> drbombay43: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz
[10:56] <drbombay43> okay
[10:56] <crimsun> super_dude2: press 'm' to unmute
[10:56] <drbombay43> thanks
[10:56] <crimsun> super_dude2: use the up arrow to increase the volume
[10:56] <super_dude2> the up arrow does nothign
[10:56] <crimsun> super_dude2: that'd be for PCM and CD
[10:57] <crimsun> super_dude2: you only need to unmute DSP
[10:57] <super_dude2> ok
[10:57] <RexM> uum.. what's the default root password?
[10:57] <RexM> it never asked me to enter one..
[10:57] <andrek> anyone here had trouble with limewire not gaining access to folders in the home dir?
[10:57] <bob2`> RexM: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:57] <da_bon_bon> hey, anyone have the game called "uplink : hacker elite" ??
[10:57] <bob2`> RexM: also in the FAQ
[10:57] <RexM> thank you
[10:57] <elyseum> no pass i guess, just do enter
[10:58] <bob2`> da_bon_bon: if you're asking for someone to send you proprietary software, that's off-topic
[10:58] <super_dude2> crimsun: i cant find cd
[10:58] <crimsun> super_dude2: using alsamixer?
[10:58] <da_bon_bon> bob2`: i had a problem getting it run on ubuntu.
[10:58] <JaZy84> how can i setup my sound
[10:58] <JaZy84> i think i got the righ tmodule loaded
[10:58] <bob2`> da_bon_bon: probably best to just ask your question then
[10:58] <JaZy84> how can i test it
[10:59] <crimsun> JaZy84: Warty or Hoary?
[10:59] <JaZy84> hoary
[10:59] <super_dude2> crimsun: yes there is no thing labled cd
[10:59] <da_bon_bon> bob2`: oh, i was thinking that if no one has that game, then pointless in asking, right
[10:59] <da_bon_bon> ?
[10:59] <crimsun> super_dude2: amixer sset PCM on; amixer sset CD on; amixer sset DSP on
[10:59] <crimsun> super_dude2: and amixer sset Master on
[11:00] <super_dude2> ok
[11:01] <super_dude2> crimsun: amixer: Unable to find simple control 'CD',0
[11:02] <crimsun> super_dude2: duh, too many things going on, sorry.  You don't have a CD control.
[11:02] <super_dude2> ok so what now?
[11:02] <buerste> hi i wanna install wine, used this howto: http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb . i added the 2 lines to the /etc/apt/sources.list file, but if i want to apt-get install wine, it tells me that theres no install candidate for wine
[11:02] <RexM> bob2`, it's not allowing me to enable the root account..
[11:02] <crimsun> JaZy84: use the System>Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector to test the default audio output sink
[11:03] <crimsun> super_dude2: amixer output onto pastebin
[11:04] <super_dude2> crimsun: ok its on pastebin
[11:04] <bob2`> RexM: we can't help with that
[11:04] <bob2`> RexM: maybe if you tell us what you're running and how it isn't working, we could
[11:05] <RexM> bob2`, nevermind, i figured it out ;)
[11:07] <crimsun> super_dude2: mute the mic*
[11:07] <super_dude2> ok
[11:07] <RexM> stupid me.. i forgot to save my private key to ssh into my server...
[11:08] <JaZy84> which java do i want to apt-get
[11:08] <super_dude2> ok
[11:09] <JaZy84> well which one will work for java apps
[11:10] <xukun> how can I Uninstall all Ubuntu packages having to do with nVidia?
[11:11] <claint> i have a xp system that i cannot manage to boot with grub. i am proficient with grub setup and something like this never happened before. the system is in /dev/hdb1, but after i select it i get left with the grub> prompt. any ideas on what might have gone wrong?
[11:11] <andrek> anyone here had trouble with limewire not gaining access to folders in the home dir?
[11:11] <super_dude2> crimsun:i have muted it
[11:12] <shannah> any 1 can help me  how to install ubuntu in my pc?
[11:12] <deFrysk> JaZy84, this is wht I used  (correct javaversion to jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin) http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[11:14] <bob2`> shannah: www.ubuntulinux.org, download a cd image, put it in and follow the prompts
[11:14] <crimsun> super_dude2: aplay -Dplughw:0,0 /usr/share/sounds/startup3.wav
[11:15] <xukun> after installing the nvidia drivers I get a darks screen and x will not start
[11:15] <forte> elow
[11:16] <super_dude2> yay
[11:16] <super_dude2> ty
[11:16] <super_dude2> it worke
[11:16] <super_dude2> :)
[11:16] <forte> any 1 can help me?
[11:16] <super_dude2> you were a good help
[11:16] <thoreauputic> forte: just ask :)
[11:16] <forte> how i install my ubuntu to my pc
[11:16] <forte> ?
[11:17] <bob2`> xukun: try disabling it then, which doesn't require uninstalling anything
[11:17] <forte> elow?
[11:17] <claint> forte : <bob2`> shannah: www.ubuntulinux.org, download a cd image, put it in and
[11:18] <claint>           follow the prompts
[11:18] <forte> i have a cd.
[11:18] <xukun> bob2`, the nv module works fine, but I would like to use the nvidia driver
[11:18] <bob2`> then just boot it and follow the instructions
[11:18] <bob2`> xukun: then you'll need to talk to nvidia about fixing it then
[11:19] <super_dude2> crimsun next problem my thing wont let me edit / add new folders or copy stuff to anwhere apart from home i have a game i play on the internet which cant save its files to my computer how do i let it
[11:19] <claint> xukun: what card is it?
[11:19] <xukun> bob2`, I did, but no luck
[11:19] <crimsun> super_dude2: would you rephrase that?  It's quite vague.
[11:19] <forte> it stuck when ubuntu copying in my hard drive
[11:19] <bob2`> xukun: 'tis a shame they won't let anyone help them fix it ;)
[11:20] <xukun> claint, NV17 [GeForce4 440 Go]  (rev a3)
[11:20] <xukun> bob2`, this makes me so not happy!
[11:20] <thoreauputic> forte: that part can take a wgile - did you wait for it to complete, or was there an error message?
[11:20] <claint> xukun: check your xorg.conf and see if your monitor is defined in anyway.
[11:21] <forte> it hang up.
[11:21] <thoreauputic> s/wgile/ a while
[11:21] <bob2`> xukun: meh, nvidia won't Free it, no one but them can help fix it
[11:21] <buerste> i cant install wine...
[11:21] <xukun> bob2`, hmm
[11:21] <forte> it always hang up.
[11:21] <buerste> cant install wine with apt-get, added the repositories, but there is no installation candidate for wine
[11:22] <super_dude2> ok i play a game called runescape it tries to save files to my computer it cant so i haveto reload the game each time   i cant save files to any other folder aprt from home/lukes how can i make it let it save to a difrent directory
[11:22] <forte> it always stuck when ubuntu copying in my hard drive
[11:22] <thoreauputic> forte: you need to be more specific: hardware? what actually happens and when?
[11:22] <claint> super_dude2 : do you know where that runescape program is trying to save its files to?
[11:22] <polytan> hi
[11:23] <xukun> claint, what am I looking in xorg.conf? the monitor section?
[11:23] <polytan> there is an openmosix source kernel in the ubuntu tree ?
[11:23] <claint> xukun: yeah.
[11:23] <super_dude2> no but on my windows computer it saves it to c:\windows\
[11:24] <claint> anyone had problems with grub not loading their xp system? cause i need a fix, i know how grub works, but cannot tell what is wrong with it this time.
[11:24] <xukun> claint, Identifier "Generic Monitor"  Option "DPMS"  HorizSync 30-75  VertRefresh  50-85
[11:25] <claint> super_dude2 : i dont know anything about runescape, is it a linux program now or are you running over wine or something?
[11:25] <super_dude2> its a java game
[11:25] <claint> xukun: hmmm, looks good enough.
[11:30] <SuperLag> If you're getting an error about a shared object not existing, how can you find out what package it belongs to?
[11:30] <bob2`> you'd need to show us the error
[11:30] <bob2`> in #flood
[11:30] <SuperLag> it's 3 lines... still want it in #flood?
[11:30] <super_dude2> claint: its a java game
[11:30] <bob2`> meh
[11:30] <bob2`> buerste: that's kinda rude
[11:30] <bob2`> buerste: you'd need to paste your /etc/apt/sources.list and "apt-cache policy wine" output to #flood
[11:30] <SuperLag> /usr/local/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:31] <SuperLag> and I have libgtk-2.0-0 and all of it's related packages installed already...
[11:31] <bob2`> seems like acrobat is just poorly built
[11:31] <buerste> paste in the channel?
[11:31] <mebaran151> SuperLag, you're not on 64 bit
[11:32] <bob2`> does 'LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/ acrobat' work any better?
[11:32] <bob2`> buerste: #flood, as I said
[11:32] <SuperLag> mebaran151: I am.
[11:32] <mebaran151> SuperLag, there you go
[11:32] <buerste> the whole file????
[11:32] <bob2`> buerste: er, of course
[11:32] <mebaran151> you dont have 64 bit gtk
[11:32] <buerste> kk
[11:32] <mebaran151> I man
[11:32] <mebaran151> I mean
[11:32] <mebaran151> acrobat needs 32 bit GTK
[11:33] <SuperLag> mebaran151: interesting... I can get it to work on Gentoo.
[11:33] <mebaran151> gentoo has emul libs
[11:33] <SuperLag> This was on a non-multilib install.  No emul libs.
[11:33] <buerste> i will start now...
[11:33] <SuperLag> it rocked, by the way... acroread 7 is nice
[11:34] <syn-ack> :)
[11:34] <mebaran151> xpdf is fine
[11:34] <mebaran151> emu libs are a pain in the neck
[11:34] <syn-ack> AR 7 has GTk
[11:35] <bob2`> I like the way acroread lets documents report you back to the authors, too
[11:35] <bob2`> that's a nice touch
[11:36] <SuperLag> mebaran151: agreed.  That's why I now have Ubuntu on this box.
[11:36] <mebaran151> SuperLag, so do you REALLY need acroread
[11:36] <SuperLag> mebaran151: though I'm still considering putting Gentoo back on here, and running it crippled, in pure 32-bit mode, as an Athlon-XP. :/
[11:37] <bassMonkey> how could i get rhythmbox to "organize" my music collection into directories as iTunes does in windows, as it is now it asked where to store the music library when i first ran it but it doesn't seem to copy anything there... wierd
[11:37] <mebaran151> better to just run the the 64 bit kernel
[11:37] <mebaran151> but in a 32 bit userland
[11:37] <Jishi> hello everyone
[11:37] <mebaran151> at least the kernel could use the extra power
[11:37] <mebaran151> but the with the emulation
[11:37] <SuperLag> mebaran151: No, but tell me... what other PDF reader do you know that renders PDFs as well as acroread? :)
[11:37] <Jishi> anyone insatalled  9700 mobility drivers I just need to enable 3d accel andone can help?
[11:38] <mebaran151> I never needed that accurate a pdf rendition
[11:38] <IH> hello peeps
[11:38] <mebaran151> I just used xpdf
[11:38] <Jishi> hey
[11:38] <mebaran151> works perfectly
[11:38] <mebaran151> everything reads
[11:38] <bob2`> Jishi: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:38] <IH> any1 has experience with upgrading to ubuntu from debian?
[11:38] <SuperLag> mebaran151: you run Ubuntu on AMD64?
[11:38] <bob2`> Jishi: (try checking the faq next time...)
[11:38] <mebaran151> SuperLag, yep
[11:39] <mebaran151> full 64 bit userland
[11:39] <mebaran151> such a !@#$%!!# in the !@#!@#!$%%$!
[11:39] <SuperLag> that's what a stock install is, right?
[11:39] <mebaran151> yeah
[11:39] <mebaran151> you could though
[11:39] <mebaran151> do a 32 bit install
[11:39] <mebaran151> off an x86 disk
[11:39] <mebaran151> and install the AMD64 kernel manually
[11:39] <Jishi> bob2 thank you....
[11:39] <mebaran151> it will boot and run everything
[11:40] <mebaran151> just a bit bigger
[11:40] <SuperLag> wouldn't things installed subsequent to the 64-bit kernel installation then compile against that 64-bit kernel??
[11:40] <Jishi> bob2 I have tried this before but not on a fresh install just made a freash install so I will check it out again.... any tips on backing up my system just incase anything goes wrong?
[11:41] <bob2`> SuperLag: nothing "compiles against the kernel"
[11:41] <tuppa> hrm
[11:41] <bob2`> SuperLag: if you install the i386 port on an amd64, you will have 32-bit applications, tho, if that's what you mean
[11:41] <tuppa> linux-image-2.6.10-5 is b0rk3n with nvidia stuff
[11:41] <tuppa> and there's no linux-restricted packages 2.6.11
[11:41] <tuppa> well, not for amd64 anyway
[11:42] <randabis> tuppa: there's none period
[11:44] <Jishi> bob2
[11:44] <Jishi> bob2' did till step 2 I will reboot now
[11:44] <bob2`> ok
[11:44] <Jishi> brb
[11:45] <SuperLag> mebaran151: So are you a bit disillusioned with AMD64, like me? :/
[11:45] <mebaran151> SuperLag, well I knew it would be this way
[11:45] <mebaran151> some guys have to break it in
[11:45] <mebaran151> and really
[11:45] <SuperLag> mebaran151: It was this, or a Mac, and I thought I could get a LOT more power going this route...
[11:45] <mebaran151> it compiles FAST
[11:45] <bob2`> SuperLag: bear in mind your problem is because acrobate is proprietary
[11:45] <mebaran151> do some source
[11:45] <mebaran151> and yeah
[11:45] <mebaran151> it will be fast
[11:45] <SuperLag> bob2`: agreed. But a LOT of stuff is broken, OSS and propietary
[11:46] <albert> Hey
[11:46] <bob2`> SuperLag: for example?
[11:46] <albert> On Warty with the default kernel my sound works
[11:46] <bob2`> aside from openoffice
[11:46] <albert> after a upgrade to hoary dont work anymore
[11:46] <SuperLag> bob2`: :)
[11:46] <albert> any idea how to fix my sound problem?
[11:46] <albert> or re-configure it
[11:46] <albert> ?
[11:47] <SuperLag> Mozilla Firefox, plugins like the JRE, Flash
[11:47] <bob2`> SuperLag: you're having problems with firefox?  have you filed a bug?
[11:47] <bob2`> SuperLag: JRE and flash are also proprietary
[11:47] <bob2`> I'd not be surprised at all if they suck
[11:47] <SuperLag> Again, agreed.
[11:47] <bob2`> Flash makes firefox unstable on i386, too
[11:48] <SuperLag> And bugs for Ubuntu, no.  Bugs for Gentoo, yes.
[11:49] <claint> this windows not booting is driving me mad.
[11:49] <mebaran151> Flash sucks
[11:49] <SuperLag> I agree.  But school makes it a necessary evil.
[11:49] <mebaran151> but there is a gnu flash palyer
[11:49] <mebaran151> that works ok
[11:49] <mebaran151> for a lot of stuff
[11:50] <SuperLag> that only works with ver <=4, iirc
[11:50] <Jishi> bob2' the instruction adviced me to change "ati" to "fglrx" I have to change it in the Device section? and then reboot after that? Just conferming
[11:50] <johnnybezak> i've got it
[11:50] <johnnybezak> the flash player
[11:50] <johnnybezak> just apt-get it
[11:50] <SuperLag> johnnybezak: doesn't work for AMD64
[11:50] <albert> =(
[11:50] <SuperLag> not the current version, anyway
[11:50] <bob2`> Jishi: change, don't htink you need to reboot
[11:50] <albert> Any idea of what can be my problem?
[11:51] <johnnybezak> SuperLag: ah that sucks
[11:51] <PePeLiNuX> hii
[11:51] <lolminator> bash: /dev/hda2: Permission denied <-- ?
[11:51] <bob2`> lolminator: yes, normal users an't break the disks
[11:51] <bob2`> lolminator: what are you trying to do?
[11:52] <lolminator> get to my partition
[11:52] <PePeLiNuX> lolminator ls -l /dev/hda2
[11:52] <SuperLag> mebaran151: I think until the platform gets more mature, I'm stuck with running 32-bit
[11:52] <bob2`> lolminator: "get to"?
[11:52] <mebaran151> nah
[11:52] <mebaran151> I run 64 bit
[11:52] <bob2`> lolminator: you mean "mount"?
[11:52] <albert> i have sound problems after upgrade my system to hoary
[11:52] <mebaran151> because I want to make it matrue
[11:52] <lolminator> bad in english sorry
[11:52] <bob2`> SuperLag: the platform is fine, you need to either kick the proprietary habit, or wait for your vendors to catch up
[11:53] <PePeLiNuX> lolminator are you spanish?
[11:53] <lolminator> norwegian
[11:53] <PePeLiNuX> ups
[11:53] <PePeLiNuX> am
[11:53] <superted_> What is multiseat configuration? (translating the installer, this is apparently somehting which can be chosen during the installation)
[11:53] <gOrDOkAbRoN> hola
[11:53] <PePeLiNuX> lolminator do you like backup of hda2?
[11:53] <gOrDOkAbRoN> hay alguien en casa
[11:53] <PePeLiNuX> si
[11:53] <PePeLiNuX> yo soy de casa xD
[11:53] <SuperLag> bob2`: I am college student.  My school uses a LOT of Flash material in their simulation software and things we have to access online.
[11:54] <lolminator> no
[11:54] <gOrDOkAbRoN> tengo pequeo  problema
[11:54] <PePeLiNuX> gordokabron por privado xfa
[11:54] <BockBilbo> jus si sta el malo de austin powers
[11:54] <BockBilbo> xD
[11:54] <bob2`> gOrDOkAbRoN: this is an english channel
[11:54] <BockBilbo> hey to everyone
[11:54] <PePeLiNuX> lolminator what like to do exactly?
[11:55] <lolminator> Just trying to get access to hda2
[11:55] <lerix> hi
[11:55] <SuperLag> gOrDOkAbRoN: que paso contigo?  Es mejor que hablas ingles aqui, porque la mayoria hablan ingles.
[11:55] <BockBilbo> gOrDOkAbRoN, ve a #ubuntu-es
[11:55] <PePeLiNuX> lolminator: mount /dev/hda2 /mnt
[11:55] <Jishi> bob2' how okay i have done the changes restared and same results in glxgears.... is this normal?
[11:55] <gOrDOkAbRoN> como se habre aki un privado
[11:55] <gOrDOkAbRoN> diosss
[11:55] <gOrDOkAbRoN> que lio
[11:56] <bob2`> Jishi: no idea
[11:56] <bob2`> gOrDOkAbRoN: please?
[11:56] <lerix> I'm trying to boot the ubuntu 4.10 install CD on a toshiba laptop, but it seems to freeze
[11:56] <bob2`> gOrDOkAbRoN: this obviously isn't a channel to speak spanish in
[11:56] <thoreauputic> gOrDOkAbRoN:  /join #ubuntu-es
[11:56] <Jishi> bob2' okay what can I do to check if the 3d accel is enabled?
[11:56] <difekta> Unpacking replacement libgimpprint1 ...
[11:56] <difekta> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgimpprint1_4.2.7-4ubuntu4_i386.deb (--unpack):
[11:56] <Jishi> bob2' O mean the command
[11:56] <difekta> someone help me please.
[11:57] <mebaran151> Jishi, glxgears
[11:57] <difekta>  fork failed: Cannot allocate memory
[11:57] <mebaran151> run it and tell me what kind of fps you get
[11:57] <bob2`> difekta: close down some programs and try again
[11:57] <RexM> has anyone in here followed this howto: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3450.html and can show me what their /etc/mozpluggerrc looks like?
[11:57] <PePeLiNuX> where are list of compatibility of devices for ubuntu?
[11:57] <mebaran151> my glxgears segfaulted
[11:57] <alexsmith> Got a laptop with (funnily enough) onboard sound. I can enable/disable it in the BIOS, and assign other options, but I can't see it in lspci, lshw, dmesg, or anything (once it's enabled). Any ideas what might be wrong?
[11:57] <mebaran151> hahahahahah
[11:57] <mebaran151> what the hell
[11:57] <Jishi> bob2' yeah I have done that always worked there is a command that i can;t rember which tells you 3d ac enabled or disabled
[11:57] <alexsmith> mebaran151: Heard quite a few people say that recently..
[11:57] <juliusk> the spanish guy was asking how to open a private conversation with Xchat I guess... the other day I was freaking out because double click didnt work for this (it does in konversation) :P
[11:57] <mebaran151> haha
[11:57] <mebaran151> I love that
[11:58] <mebaran151> we keep running these massive X updates
[11:58] <mebaran151> I think to try to solve that
[11:58] <lerix> any idea ?
[11:58] <bob2`> Jishi: xdpyinfo
[11:59] <lerix> I've tried with acpi=off and noapic
[11:59] <BockBilbo> I've talked to gOrDOkAbRoN , hes a bit confused lol, just installed ubuntu
[11:59] <difekta> that worked
[11:59] <difekta> sad.
[11:59] <lerix> the demo liveCD boots fine
[11:59] <difekta> poor usage of virtual memory apparenly.
[11:59] <trygvebw> lerix: tried noapic
[11:59] <trygvebw> ?
[11:59] <bob2`> difekta: no, you're just out of ram and swap
[12:00] <bob2`> difekta: paste the output of "free -m" to #flood
[12:00] <Daehlie> seriously, NOBODY needs linux help at 4am, just go to bed
[12:00] <Jishi> bob2' thank you for you help.. appreciate it
[12:00] <Daehlie> this is rediculous
[12:00] <crimsun> Daehlie: 4 AM whose time?
[12:00] <john023> how to set a adsl connectio?n
[12:00] <Daehlie> mountain standard time
[12:00] <bob2`> Daehlie: it's 2000 here
[12:00] <bob2`> Jishi: np
[12:00] <Daehlie> spring forward bitches
[12:00] <bob2`> john023: sudo pppoeconf
[12:00] <lerix> trygvebw, I tried a lot of boot parameters ... but that didn't work
[12:00] <trygvebw> :|
[12:00] <john023> how to set a adsl connection in ubuntu?
[12:01] <bob2`> Daehlie: please read the code of conduct
[12:01] <john023> anyone help me?
[12:01] <bob2`> john023: as above
[12:01] <trygvebw> john023, ppp-adsl or auto-connect-adsl?
[12:01] <Daehlie> bob2`: a link to the code of conduct please
[12:01] <huhe> Daehlie get some rest your tired.
[12:02] <trygvebw> do you dial up the ADSL connection or do you get connected automatically?
[12:02] <john023> ppp-adsl
[12:02] <trygvebw> :|
[12:02] <Danten> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/document_view
[12:02] <trygvebw> crappy ppp-adsl
[12:02] <difekta> out of swap?!
[12:02] <Daehlie> i'm not tired, i'm drunk, but if you instruct me to read the code of conduct i require the code of cnduct to read
[12:02] <lerix> the last message I see is "Ready" after the kernel image loading
[12:02] <bob2`> difekta: who knows, paste the output of "free -m" to #flood so we can see
[12:03] <RexM> ubuntu uses a lot of memory i've noticed, it also has a lot of modules installed.. when i was running gentoo, i had 2 modules installed and it hardly ever touched the swap, and i'm only on 384mb ram
[12:03] <difekta> i just did.
[12:03] <trygvebw> http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/ubuntu/index.html
[12:03] <trygvebw> john023, ^
[12:03] <huhe> Daehlie its printed on your beer bottle.
[12:03] <trygvebw> if you use a speedtouch
[12:03] <trygvebw> modem
[12:04] <bob2`> RexM: the modules do not use a significant amount of ram
[12:04] <thoreauputic> Daehlie: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/
[12:04] <Daehlie> according to my beer bottle, I am right, hence I will go to sleep
[12:04] <bob2`> RexM: and use only very slightly more than the amount that would be used if they were built into the kernel
[12:04] <Daehlie> i have read he CoC
[12:04] <trygvebw> jaq: wasn't the third release supposed to be called Grumpy Groadhog?
[12:05] <claint> yey. i have solved the grub not booting xp problem.
[12:05] <john023> how to set adsl connection in ubuntu?
[12:05] <trygvebw> john023, look at the link i gave you!
[12:06] <bob2`> john023: 3 people have told you how
[12:06] <bob2`> john023: ignoring all 3 seemsa little counter-productive
[12:06] <claint> pointer for people who got xp on hdb or other drives. ubuntu's grub config doesn't put the map commands into the menu.lst so you might have to put it by hand.
[12:06] <claint> just something to keep in mind.
[12:07] <claint> it is funny when you fix someone else's bootloader from ssh. but hell, now got it working at least.
[12:07] <john023> but when i go there nothing there
[12:07] <trygvebw> oh?
[12:07] <trygvebw> hm
[12:07] <john023> i don't know choose what?
[12:08] <john023> i want its manual
[12:08] <john023> how to get it
[12:09] <trygvebw> john: run pppoeconf and follow the instructions
[12:09] <juliusk> is there any text-editor with ftp capabilities like ultraedit?
[12:09] <trygvebw> and then pppoe-discovery from the terminal
[12:09] <trygvebw> juliusk, bluefish i *think*
[12:09] <john023> how to run it
[12:09] <juliusk> trygvebw, gonna check, thx ;)
[12:10] <trygvebw> john023, open a run box and run it ...
[12:10] <trygvebw> juliusk, np
[12:10] <john023> ok
[12:10] <xukun> this is what my screen look like after I install the nvidia driver: http://stuwww.uvt.nl/~ahassan/photo/displayimage.php?album=random&cat=0&pos=-14
[12:11] <xukun> if you have any idea please let me now
[12:11] <john023> where is runbox?
[12:11] <juliusk> trygvebw, "Support for remote files using gnome-vfs (depending on your gnome-vfs setup, you'll have FTP, SFTP, HTTP, HTTPS, WebDAV, Samba and more)" Thanks :D :D :D
[12:11] <trygvebw> john023, ...
[12:11] <john023> i am new user
[12:11] <john023> of ubuntu
[12:11] <trygvebw> john023, it is Applications -> Run Application
[12:12] <trygvebw> juliusk: bluefish IS great :)
[12:12] <juliusk> trygvebw, it's in the repositories, already installed it :D
[12:12] <claint> xukun
[12:12] <trygvebw> nice :)
[12:12] <juliusk> xukun: I had no problems with the latest nvidia drivers
[12:12] <trygvebw> xukun: are you sure your aren't root?
[12:13] <claint> xukun : can you do any point and clicking? if yes, can you change your resolution?
[12:13] <xukun> I,m using the latest nvidia drivers
[12:13] <rvirani> which is better to run a server off of, Hoary or Debian?
[12:14] <trygvebw> pastyhermit, i would've used Hoary, but if you are going to use it on a really important server i think debian is more stable
[12:14] <claint> pastyhermit : depends on what you wanna do, but for server stability, debian
[12:14] <xukun> trygvebw, I,m not root
[12:14] <xukun> claint, sec
[12:14] <pastyhermit> debian eh
[12:14] <pastyhermit> sarge?
[12:14] <pastyhermit> or the really old old useless version of debian?
[12:14] <bob2`> pastyhermit: please read the troll howto
[12:15] <thoreauputic> pastyhermit: woody is old, but far from useless :)
[12:15] <pastyhermit> would you recommend sarge or woody
[12:15] <claint> xukun: also what are the resolutions you got in xorg.conf?
[12:15] <pastyhermit> cuase in three years they ought to have found some security problems...
[12:15] <bob2`> pastyhermit: please go away
[12:16] <bob2`> pastyhermit: or adjust your attitude
[12:16] <john023> i type it but nothing happen
[12:16] <xukun> claint, yes I can schange the resolution but I,m missing the 1600x1200
[12:16] <Sav> juliusk, im havig problem with bluefish, it cannot save files longer then 380 rows. if the file is bigger it will be fucked up when i save. Any ideas?
[12:16] <pastyhermit> bob2`: its a valid question, I will lose the attitude if it gets me farther :D
[12:16] <pastyhermit> Im putting hoary on my new workstation
[12:16] <claint> xukun : is it fixed when you change the res?
[12:16] <pastyhermit> P4 3.0 Ghz, 1GB Ram, 160 GB HDD etc...
[12:16] <bob2`> pastyhermit: no, it's a stupid question based on you not doing any research
[12:16] <pastyhermit> hopefully when I get my Nvidia quadro prolly do dual LCD
[12:16] <bob2`> pastyhermit: woody gets security updates very quickly, and as far as i know has no outstanding serious security issues
[12:17] <xukun> claint, no
[12:17] <xukun> claint, the same problem
[12:17] <claint> still those silly lines at the side eh?
[12:17] <pastyhermit> bob2`: ahh ok, cause thats contrary to what I was reading, I read a review that said it hadnt been updated since 2002
[12:17] <claint> xukun : what resolution you got in xorg.conf?
[12:17] <pastyhermit> I will download woody theyn
[12:17] <pastyhermit> thanx
[12:17] <xukun> claint, sec
[12:17] <bob2`> pastyhermit: ? woody was released in 2002, and thus has only been updated for security issues since then.
[12:17] <pastyhermit> the workstation will stay on hoary
[12:18] <john023> i run it
[12:18] <john023> but
[12:19] <john023> it say please become root before continue
[12:19] <john023> how to do next
[12:19] <trygvebw> john: type your user password
[12:21] <john023> but it say please become root before continue
[12:21] <john023> i can't continue
[12:21] <thoreauputic> john023: try gksudo pppoeconf
[12:22] <thoreauputic> then type your user pass
[12:23] <pastyhermit> woody is comming :D
[12:23] <pastyhermit> thanx for the help
[12:24] <john023> then
[12:25] <thoreauputic> john023: did that work OK ? You should see the first questions in a new dialogue
[12:28] <john023> yes
[12:29] <john023> then how to connect it?
[12:29] <xukun> claint, in xorg.conf I only got 1600x1200 which my max screen resolution
[12:29] <john023> connect to internet
[12:30] <xukun> bb in sec
[12:30] <claint> xukun: make a copy of your xorg.conf, and edit it, try it to a lower resolution, like 800x600 or something, restart x and see if it fixes it. you sure your monitor can handle 1600x1200 right?
[12:31] <xukun> claint, ok and yes it can
[12:31] <john023> how to reset ip and gateway?
[12:32] <claint> what do you mean by that reset ip?
[12:33] <john023> re-set ip address
[12:34] <claint> john023: as in get a new ip address over dhcp? there is a system->networking tool. but if you are doing it on the command line....
[12:35] <buerste> hi, is it possible that my problems with wine are caused by my arch (amd64) ?
[12:35] <claint> john023 : ifconfig eth0 down
[12:35] <EvilIdler> buerste: Definitely.
[12:35] <claint> john023 : dhclient eth0
[12:35] <bob2`> buerste: er, yeah
[12:35] <claint> john023 : add sudo to the front of those commands.
[12:35] <bob2`> all wine does is emulate the win32 api
[12:35] <jc-denton> hi all
[12:36] <jc-denton> how stable is the ubuntu 5.04 release candidate?
[12:36] <buerste> t.t
[12:36] <thoreauputic> claint: he's using the run box, not the cli
[12:36] <buerste> so is it impossible to run wine on a 64bit ubunbtu?
[12:36] <buerste> ubuntu*
[12:36] <mjr> buerste, well, strictly, no. Look into making a 32-bit chroot
[12:36] <claint> jc-denton : release candidate is out a week before release (usually) so pretty stable. and once you got the updates it is the same as stable.
[12:37] <jc-denton> i can update it then to the stable
[12:37] <buerste> ..... i hate this
[12:37] <EvilIdler> buerste: But then you're emulating the emulator ;)
[12:37] <mjr> buerste, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebootstrapChroot
[12:37] <claint> jc-denton : yeah.
[12:37] <jc-denton> so next weekend 5.04 will be released?
[12:37] <claint> i thought it was april 6 but i am not sure.
[12:37] <mjr> EvilIdler, well, jokes aside, neither is really emulating ;)
[12:37] <EvilIdler> mjr: Hush! It sounded better!
[12:38] <claint> jc-denton : so probably within a week's time.
[12:38] <claint> unless it was another april fool's joke... the rc that is
[12:39] <EvilIdler> claint: I think they've already used their quota of jokes :)
[12:39] <claint> EvilIdler : yeah, i think so too.
[12:39] <jc-denton> wow thats cool
[12:39] <jc-denton> another question..
[12:39] <buerste> well, what does chrooting to a 32bit surface cause?
[12:39] <jc-denton> can i use fedoras blue curve theme with gnome 2.10
[12:40] <buerste> do i have any disadvantages doing it?
[12:40] <christian> salu anne
[12:41] <EvilIdler> buerste: Unless you count having to set up the chroot, not really. Works fine for the few games I've tried.
[12:41] <christian> salu ciseau
[12:41] <njs12345> jc-denton: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2696&highlight=bluecurve
[12:41] <ubuntu> hello
[12:41] <claint> jc-denton : if it is downloadable from somewhere, and compatible with 2.10, you should be able to  install it as a theme.
[12:41] <ubuntu> i'm new and bald
[12:42] <christian> salu b
[12:42] <christian> salu jonathan
[12:42] <johnnybezak> bald?
[12:42] <buerste> well what does it change? do i have just a 32bit environment, or is it both, or do i have to do anything special to run 32bit things, or will the 64bit stuff be deleted?
[12:42] <christian> c christian ta kel age
[12:42] <ubuntu> yep shiny and shaved
[12:42] <EvilIdler> We don't treat the hairless differently
[12:42] <thoreauputic> ubuntu, I'm old and hairy - pleased to meet you :)
[12:42] <christian> t bete
[12:42] <johnnybezak> oh k
[12:43] <christian> salu johnny sa va moi oui
[12:43] <christian> rep
[12:44] <Unipal> f
[12:47] <andrek> anyone here had trouble with limewire not gaining access to folders in the home dir?
[12:47] <Freezer|> What do I need to install to handle the streams's mime type audio/mpeg in rythmbox?
[12:47] <uri> oooo
[12:49] <thoreauputic> Freezer|:  gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:49] <imran> I'm installing ubuntu and it's suggesting I create a swap partition of 468mb which seems a bit small to me, is that an ok size (for 512mb real mem) ?
[12:50] <Freezer|> thoreauputic, thanks
[12:50] <thoreauputic> imran: should be fine unless you do intensive stuff that needs extra swap ( audio with audacity or similar)
[12:51] <EvilIdler> imran: You can set it to the same size as your memory if you want to be safe, although I rarely see much swap being used
[12:51] <EvilIdler> Audio/video editing would eat memory like Pacman eats pills, yeah
[12:52] <imran> thoreauputic: does that include if I want to do lots of heavy compiling ?
[12:52] <mjr> imran, I'd put a gig
[12:52] <thoreauputic> imran: compiling seems to work fine here with that much swap
[12:52] <EvilIdler> imran: Compiling seems more disk-space limited. Most of the time spent compiling is harddrive activity
[12:53] <mjr> imran, could also be useful if you eg. want to software suspend that thing on a high load ;)
[12:53] <tobias_> Is it a knows problem, that hoary atm doesn't work with the nvidia drivers
[12:53] <tobias_> ?
[12:53] <imran> ok thanks all
[12:53] <EvilIdler> tobias_: I've had problems for five days, but sorted mine. What are you having trouble with?
[12:55] <airox> Hi, how would I restart the ESD deamon ?
[12:55] <tobias_> If I use "Driver "nvidia"" X will not starte ("Driver "nv"" works)
[12:55] <tobias_> so I don't have 3D :(
[12:56] <airox> tobias_: Installed the drivers ?
[12:56] <EvilIdler> tobias_: nvidia-glx package installed?
[12:56] <solidape> gdesklets keeps complaining about sensors, do i have to add them separetly and how?
[12:57] <xukun> EvilIdler, lo luck
[12:57] <xukun> no luck
[12:57] <tobias_> airox: Yes, and tt worked until an update yesterday
[12:57] <airox> tobias_: You did a kernel update perhaps ?
[12:57] <EvilIdler> tobias_: Using composite?
[12:57] <thoreauputic> solidape: sudo apt-get install lm-sensors
[12:57] <edulix> hi !
[12:58] <njs12345> hmm
[12:58] <edulix> I'm installing Beagle in Ubuntu
[12:58] <EvilIdler> xukun: What does your X config look like?
[12:58] <airox> What could I do about the solution to the problem that Enemy Territory needs access to /dev/dsp but esd is already using it ?
[12:58] <njs12345> for some reason, I have no /dev/audio device
[12:58] <tobias_> EfaistOs: no airox: no, just X
[12:58] <airox> Ok.
[12:58] <njs12345> anybody know how I could fix that?
[12:59] <solidape> thoreauputic: thanx for quick reply
[12:59] <andrek> anyone here know how to compile lirc-modules-sources ? a guide or something?
[12:59] <EvilIdler> xukun: I fixed my problem by adding the "AllowGLXWithComposite" option. It fixed many different problems for others.
[12:59] <thoreauputic> solidape: no worries - configuring sensors is a whole other thing, however...
[12:59] <edulix> in ubuntu's wiki there's an *extremly* complicated, large and discouraging howto (well there are two: one for warty and other for Hoary). why not just link or copy  the howto from beagle's wiki ?http://www.beaglewiki.org/index.php/UbuntuInstall
[01:00] <xukun> EvilIdler, where in xorg.conf can I add the option?
[01:01] <Sung> whut is the command to delete a dir ?
[01:01] <EvilIdler> xukun: It only applies if you've got an "Extensions" section with "Composite" enabled. If so, try the allow-option under "Device"
[01:01] <Sung> under the gnome shell.
[01:01] <Sung> any idea ?
[01:01] <thoreauputic> edulix: maybe you could add the link in the wiki? That's what wikis are for, no?
[01:02] <thoreauputic> Sung: rmdir for an empty directory, rm -r to delete recursively
[01:02] <xukun> EvilIdler, this my xorg.conf file: http://sh.nu/p/205
[01:02] <thoreauputic> add -f to force
[01:03] <Sung> thoreauputic: thanks
[01:04] <thoreauputic> Sung: that's not specific to gnome - it's a standard bash command
[01:04] <EvilIdler> xukun: I've seen a recommendation to change the keyboard driver from "keyboard" to "kbd". At least that works for me.
[01:04] <twentyone> is there a way to install kernel 2.6.8 intead of the current 2.6.10 (hoary), when apparently kernel 2.6.8 is no more in the reposotory ?
[01:04] <thoreauputic> or rather, a standard command that runs on bash
[01:05] <twentyone> (I ask that, because my firewire ipod is no more recognized with kernel 2.6.10)
[01:05] <EvilIdler> xukun: Also, delete the line under "Module" that says Load "dri" - then delete the last DRI section
[01:05] <xukun> EvilIdler, I already did
[01:05] <xukun> EvilIdler, no dri
[01:05] <EvilIdler> xukun: The one you pasted has it, though
[01:06] <edulix> thoreauputic: I was thinking more in replacing it with the other wiki contents, and I said that here because it's a big thing to do
[01:06] <xukun> EvilIdler, I know its old one from 35m ago
[01:07] <EvilIdler> xukun: Could you paste the current xorg.conf?
[01:07] <xukun> EvilIdler, sure
[01:08] <thoreauputic> edulix: yeah, maybe add it with a comment that you found it useful and/or easier etc
[01:08] <xukun> EvilIdler, http://sh.nu/p/208
[01:08] <edulix> thoreauputic: oks then ;)
[01:09] <bzzzbip> hello!
[01:09] <bzzzbip> I need some help
[01:10] <EvilIdler> xukun: I can't see anything different from the recommended config, except for that keyboard driver
[01:10] <xukun> EvilIdler, I can try that
[01:10] <universal> can someone help me with my gdesklets installation?
[01:10] <EvilIdler> xukun: Doubt it'll make much difference, but X *is* strange sometimes
[01:11] <xukun> EvilIdler, thanks anywayt
[01:11] <xukun> EvilIdler, thanks anyway
[01:11] <bzzzbip> I have a total newbie problem
[01:11] <universal> can someone help me with my gdesklets installation?
[01:11] <EvilIdler> xukun: Are all the HorizSync/VertRefresh settings the correct ones for your monitor? Both the lower and higher numbers need to be exact
[01:12] <kent> bzzzbip, the normal procedure is to ask, not to ask to ask. :)
[01:12] <bzzzbip> sorry :-)
[01:12] <bzzzbip> Ive just installed ubuntu on an ibook, i have macosx on a partition
[01:12] <kent> bzzzbip, its ok. I had to mention it, since you wont get any help if you dont ask,  so.. go ahead and ask (people will help if they have the time over.. and know to help)
[01:13] <bzzzbip> now i have to boot ubuntu and i dont know how to do it
[01:13] <bzzzbip> the terminal says boot, and Ive written "help"
[01:13] <bzzzbip> but i dont understand anything
[01:13] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: it goes in two stages - you type l (ell) for linux
[01:13] <thoreauputic> x for osx
[01:13] <tobias_> I just fixed my problem. I had selected the wrong kernel on startup ;)
[01:13] <xukun> EvilIdler, what do you mean?
[01:14] <bzzzbip> yes ive done it but it says no such file or directory
[01:14] <EvilIdler> xukun: Section "Monitor"
[01:14] <EvilIdler> xukun: The refresh rates - are they correct for your monitor?
[01:14] <xukun> EvilIdler, I think so but how can I be very sure?
[01:15] <EvilIdler> xukun: If you have the monitor manual, it should say, if not, Google to the rescue :)
[01:15] <jhaig> Can anyone help?  I'm trying to use gthumb but it keeps dying unexpectedly.  If I run it from the command line I get just a single line saying "Killed".
[01:15] <xukun> EvilIdler, then its the good one
[01:16] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: did you make partitions with the mac partition tool, then reinstall OS-X before Linux and choose the free space for linux
[01:16] <bzzzbip> yes i did
[01:16] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: that
[01:16] <EvilIdler> xukun: Then I can't think of anything else :/
[01:16] <xukun> bbl
[01:16] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: will it boot OS- X ?
[01:17] <bzzzbip> when i started the computer after installing ubuntu
[01:17] <bzzzbip> i got a boot menu it said l for linux x for mac etc
[01:17] <bzzzbip> but i decided instead of typing l or x to type help to get some more information
[01:18] <bzzzbip> since i dont know what im doing
[01:18] <bzzzbip> and now i cant boot anything
[01:18] <bzzzbip> its because im on some kind of help menu i have to get out of it?
[01:18] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: just use x for os-x and l for linux and one or the other should boot
[01:18] <jhaig> I've just run 'gthumb -v' and I get the following error several times before it crashes: "(gthumb:7303): Gtk-WARNING **: gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with width -17 and height 17"  Anyone any ideas?
[01:19] <bzzzbip> im going to try it again, thank you, if it doesnt work, ill be back
[01:19] <EvilIdler> jhaig: Delete any config files for gthumb in your home directory
[01:19] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: oh I see - well you can just turn it off and start again since nothing has booted yet
[01:19] <bzzzbip> but thanks so much
[01:19] <njs12345> hehe
[01:19] <njs12345> looks like I'm not the only Ubuntu user/developer that's a fan of The Killers
[01:19] <bzzzbip> the thing is, i cannot turn down the computer, i hold down the key and nothing happens
[01:20] <njs12345> http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=13
[01:20] <kent> bzzzbip, take out the powercable? :)
[01:20] <sqrt17> bzzbip: you have to hold it for about 3 seconds. a little longer.
[01:20] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip:  try cmd-alt- power button :)
[01:20] <bzzzbip> laptop, i have batteries, and i don
[01:20] <Sung> what is the command to move a file in shell ?
[01:20] <kent> Sung, mv
[01:21] <bzzzbip> ill be back in a minute!
[01:21] <Sung> kent, thanks
[01:21] <thoreauputic> Sung: you need to read  tuxfiles.org :)
[01:21] <corza> hey guys just wondering how i would make a bootsplash
[01:21] <kenl> will my nforce4 be ok with the ubuntu installation?
[01:22] <thoreauputic> Sung:  http://tuxfiles.org/      << good intro to commands
[01:23] <bzzzbip> i,ve started the computer again and the same
[01:23] <bzzzbip> it says welcome to yaboot, choose l, x or c
[01:24] <jhaig> Evilldler: Now it still crashes, but without the error messages.
[01:24] <bzzzbip> i've tried both, and the only thing i get is no such file or directory
[01:24] <bzzzbip> maybe i have to install everything again
[01:24] <EvilIdler> jhaig: strace/ltrace it?
[01:25] <c0nqvistad0r> how do i install java?
[01:25] <bzzzbip> if i start the computer and the yaboot menu appears, it looks as if everything was well installed right?
[01:26] <jc-denton> why is the 5.04 install cd 611 mb?
[01:26] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: looks like the bootloader can't find the kernel
[01:26] <jc-denton> is gnome and stuff on it?
[01:26] <jhaig> I'll try that - I didn't know about strace and ltrace.
[01:26] <sqrt17> Has anyone else seen the image yellow or blue when GwenView (the KDE image viewer) zooms an image (I have (k)Ubuntu 5.04 on a ppc)?
[01:26] <bzzzbip> :(, yes it says "loading kernel" and then nothing
[01:27] <EvilIdler> jhaig: TRy this order of commands:
[01:27] <EvilIdler> jhaig: script, ltrace gthumb, strace gthumb, exit, then paste the contents of the file "typescript" from your current directory
[01:28] <bzzzbip> do you think i have to install everything all over again?
[01:28] <bob2`> jc-denton: of course...just the same was warty did
[01:28] <albert> i have my warty upgraded to HOARY
[01:28] <jc-denton> i dont really know warty?
[01:28] <albert> Aster the upgrade my sound stop of work
[01:28] <imran> is ubuntu secure out of the box or do I need to configure anything ?
[01:29] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: did you follow a howto ? Or just try it without help?
[01:29] <albert> with warty works OK
[01:29] <albert> cany have idea?
[01:29] <albert> im a little newbye with this
[01:29] <bzzzbip> yes, i followed a how to
[01:29] <bob2`> imran: "secure"?  it doesn't have any external services running, if that's what you mean
[01:29] <albert> im triying to install ubuntu on my school
[01:29] <bob2`> albert: you have permission, right?
[01:29] <jhaig> Evilldler: I'm doing that now.  I assume you don't want the entire contents of typescript pasted here.  Is there an irc channel for posting large amounts of stuff?
[01:29] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: which one?
[01:29] <albert> bob2`, yes
[01:29] <bzzzbip> two in fact: how to install debian on an ibook, and then the how to on the ubuntu webpage
[01:29] <albert> bob2`, im using a normal account and have the root account too
[01:29] <albert> i make a dist-upgrade
[01:30] <albert> with a new kernel too
[01:30] <bzzzbip> I partitioned the disk
[01:30] <albert> Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Fri Apr 1 16:41:33 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:30] <imran> bob2`: yep, I mean can I connect it to the internet without having to configure firewall, etc
[01:30] <EvilIdler> jhaig: sh.nu
[01:30] <bzzzbip> the first partition was "free space" the other mac osx
[01:30] <bzzzbip> i installed the macosx on the second one
[01:30] <bob2`> imran: sure, there's nothing for a wirewall to do
[01:30] <bzzzbip> then i installed ubuntu on the free space,
[01:31] <EvilIdler> jhaig: http://sh.nu/p
[01:31] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: sounds OK so far
[01:31] <bzzzbip> i was going to start the second stage of installation but, i cannot boot
[01:31] <albert> bob2`, where are located my sound config?
[01:32] <bob2`> albert: that's not the problem
[01:33] <albert> bob2`, what do you think
[01:33] <albert> ?
[01:33] <albert> i will execute my sound program
[01:33] <albert> with root
[01:33] <albert> to test
[01:33] <albert> 1 sec
[01:33] <bob2`> I doubt that's the problem
[01:33] <albert> bob2`, no idea?
[01:34] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: I can't really help you - I've only installed ppc Ubuntu once, and it worked fine for me
[01:34] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: with dual-boot etc
[01:34] <bzzzbip> thank you, ill erase everything and try again
[01:35] <bzzzbip> maybe there is some step im missing....
[01:35] <bzzzbip> i dont know
[01:35] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: I seem vaguely to recall needing to mark the relevant partitions bootable in the install ??
[01:35] <bzzzbip> thoreauputic: how did you do it to install? can you explain it to me?
[01:35] <Kamakazie> I go te ask for Linux/PSP help, and this is what I get
[01:36] <Kamakazie> Agntneo I'm gonna have pubic hair on my nose
[01:36] <Kamakazie> Agntneo and have 3 cocks
[01:36] <albert> any never be have a problem upgrading from warty to hoary and your sound stop?
[01:36] <albert> i can't play my cds =/
[01:36] <njs12345> albert: yes.
[01:36] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: i did pretty much what you describe, except linux was after os-x, which isn't the approved place, but seems to work fine
[01:36] <libben> I have some problems getting to connect with internet since i updated yesterday. anyone else has this problem? I have dhcp on a usb cable modem... worked fine yesterday and now its fucked.... ive activated it, restarted the cable modem... nothing works...
[01:36] <njs12345> you need to install alsa-driver from source, or at least, that's what I had to do
[01:37] <bzzzbip> maybe i should try that to put linux in the last place...
[01:37] <Kamakazie> the updates keep breaking my gnome
[01:37] <c0nqvistad0r> someone, how do i install java?
[01:37] <bzzzbip> did you make the linux partitions automatically or manually?
[01:38] <Kamakazie> c0nqvistad0r, use the Ubuntuguide
[01:38] <Kamakazie> ubuntuguide.org
[01:38] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: I just let the installer do it
[01:38] <albert> njs12345, and but from source?
[01:38] <corza> how do i work bootsplash?
[01:38] <Kamakazie> has step by step instructions
[01:38] <bzzzbip> i did the same
[01:38] <albert> njs12345, how i reinstall alsa driver from source?
[01:38] <thoreauputic> c0nqvistad0r: look at ubuntuguide.org
[01:38] <thoreauputic> c0nqvistad0r: full java instructions there
[01:39] <jhaig> Evilldler: I think it is affected by Murphy's Law - it is not crashing now that I am running it with ltrace.  ;-)
[01:39] <andrek> anyone here know how to compile lirc-modules-sources ? a guide or something?
[01:40] <EvilIdler> jhaig: That's what we call a Heisenbug - you can't actually observe it in a debugger :)
[01:40] <Kamakazie> How would someone go about writting drivers for new unidentified hardware?
[01:40] <Kamakazie> Whats the first step
[01:41] <njs12345> Kamakazie: read some books on Linux device drivers
[01:41] <albert> njs12345, how i reinstall alsa driver from source?
[01:41] <crimsun> the first thing you should do is ask whether it's really and truly unidentified.  If so, get the spec sheets from the manufacturer, pick up a copy of Linux Device Drivers, and go at it.
[01:41] <njs12345> and learn C if you dont' know it already
[01:41] <EvilIdler> Kamakazie: First step is to look for specs, then to beg the hardware manufacturer for some minimal info, then a fit of depression, followed by late nights with a disassembler and whiskey
[01:42] <Kamakazie> I wanna write some modules for my PSP harware so I can get it running Lin
[01:42] <Kamakazie> EvilIdler, Wanna help me write some modules for the Sony PSP hardware?
[01:42] <EvilIdler> Kamakazie: Wish I had one first :/
[01:42] <crimsun> albert: what sound chipset?  I also need lsmod, lspci(or lspnp) -v, and dmesg output.
[01:42] <Kamakazie> Sony won't give me any Info.
[01:43] <EvilIdler> Kamakazie: Last I heard, they're going to be very delayed around here
[01:43] <albert> via82cxxx
[01:43] <Kamakazie> EvilIdler, Yea, the Official PSP Linux project is still finding developers to even dtart the hardware modules
[01:43] <HiddenWolf> huh. Rythmbox isn't affected by my general volume...
[01:43] <albert> but alsa detect a "CMI
[01:43] <albert> other card too
[01:43] <albert> its a little crazy no?
[01:44] <albert> like a conflict
[01:44] <crimsun> albert: that's because your dsp is a via82xx but the ac97 mixer is made by cmi.  That makes plenty of sense.
[01:44] <albert> aaa
[01:44] <Kamakazie> How did they build the modules for the hardware in the IPod
[01:44] <EvilIdler> Kamakazie: I've got too many projects going already :)
[01:44] <Kamakazie> they didnt have help from apple
[01:45] <albert> crimsun, weird :S
[01:45] <albert> after the dist-upgrade all working
[01:45] <Kamakazie> Yea, so do I, I am working on Gaim, SeQ and a new Distro.
[01:45] <crimsun> albert: heh
[01:45] <albert> now my sound no :P
[01:45] <bzzzbip> thoerapuptic: a very strange thing has happened
[01:45] <EvilIdler> Kamakazie: SeQ?
[01:46] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: try tab-complete on nicks ;) What happened?
[01:46] <bzzzbip> i've inserted the macosx install disk to do everything again, and ubuntu has started
[01:46] <bzzzbip> without saying anything
[01:46] <Kamakazie> It's just a Database immigration for handheld's me and my buddy are try to write.
[01:47] <bzzzbip> now is actualizing libraries or something
[01:47] <albert> via82cxxx
[01:47] <Kamakazie> Lots of native posix stuff, it sucks
[01:47] <albert> ERROR: Module via82cxxx is in use
[01:47] <albert> what is using this driver?
[01:47] <Kamakazie> Building the Libs for Ipod Linux musta taken forever
[01:47] <bzzzbip> it feels like a total X-file
[01:47] <EvilIdler> Kamakazie: Any Palm DB support?
[01:47] <albert> crimsun, 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)
[01:47] <albert> is fine
[01:47] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: OK - next step if Ubuntu is running fine is to reboot and see if OS-X is there too ')
[01:47] <albert> =S
[01:47] <Jimbob> Kamakazie: Naw, you should be able to cross-compile.
[01:47] <bzzzbip> ok, ill do that :-)
[01:48] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: yeah, cue spooky music ;-)
[01:48] <Kamakazie> EvilIdler, I don't even know how to even hood up any of this hardware to even begin testing it
[01:49] <kent> Do some one know when next version of rhythmbox is due? I've heard it will ship with id3-tags support. Thats the only thing keeping me from using it, since right now I cant edit the tags and a lot of my musics has wrong tags, so the music wont get sorted :(
[01:49] <Kamakazie> But, someone has to get these modules and libs out, cause if not there will never be a PSP Linux OS
[01:49] <njs12345> kent: you can try using Easytag to tag your files :)
[01:49] <njs12345> also, I don't think rhythmbox is on a regular release schedule
[01:49] <Kamakazie> I need to find a way to probe the hardware live, like some kinda USB signal
[01:50] <kent> njs12345, I did try that program some time ago but I found the interface very bad :(
[01:50] <crimsun> albert: that's the IDE chipset driver.  You don't want to remove that.
[01:50] <njs12345> kent: it's true
[01:50] <thoreauputic> kent: I agree - try Audio tag Tool
[01:50] <EvilIdler> Kamakazie: There's a Linux USB site that will point you towards USB debuggers/snooping tools
[01:51] <thoreauputic> kent: sudo apt-get install tagtool  :)
[01:51] <s_ander> kent: I'm using Audio Tag Tool, and it does an amazing good job!
[01:51] <Kamakazie> EvilIdler, I dunno if the OS can even recieve on its mini USB port, if its even listening
[01:51] <albert> crimsun, so, can u "help me"
[01:51] <corza> can someone help me with BOOTSPLASH?
[01:51] <albert> or giveme a document to read
[01:51] <albert> i need SOUND =p
[01:51] <albert> i have my birds
[01:51] <crimsun> albert: you haven't given all the information I requested.
[01:51] <albert> ok
[01:51] <albert> what u need brother
[01:51] <albert> :D
[01:52] <crimsun> albert: use http://pastebin.com for pastes.  Scroll up.
[01:52] <albert>  I also need lsmod, lspci(or lspnp) -v, and dmesg output.
[01:53] <albert> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/266453
[01:53] <kzm> Happy Sunday, everybody.
[01:53] <albert> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/266454
[01:54] <kzm> I'm looking for games suitable for children 4-6 years -- any ideas?
[01:54] <kent> thoreauputic, tagtool -  is that audio tag tool you mentioned? I've looked at their homepage, it seems nice.
[01:54] <thoreauputic> kent: yes - it is nice
[01:54] <albert> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/266455 ( lspci -v )
[01:54] <EvilIdler> kzm: Linux for Kids? A whole distro of fun
[01:54] <kent> thoreauputic, installing it now. :) Thanks
[01:55] <kzm> evilidler - well, I was thinking of continuing to use Ubuntu.
[01:55] <kzm> :-)
[01:55] <libben> is there anyway to give names to the nics? cause after all the updating yesterday the nics got switched with the eth0 to eth01 and so on... is there anyway that i can give em info... like eth0 (wlan) and so on?
[01:56] <EvilIdler> kzm: Their site would be a start for knowing the names, though. You could also check the game section on libsdl.org
[01:56] <albert> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/266456 the dmesg
[01:56] <kzm> Right - I'll see what I can find.
[01:56] <thoreauputic> kent: actually I just realised I must have made my own deb, but I think it's in the repos anyway
[01:57] <albert> crimsun, need more information?
[01:57] <crimsun> I'll look through those in a sec.
[01:57] <twentyone> any boy know where I can sleect the MicBoost in any ubuntu sound panel ? or elsewhere
[01:58] <az[a] zel> hmm I can see why people don't like gimps interface now... the focus is all broken when you use separate windows for the toolbox/image, etc
[01:59] <kent> thoreauputic, yes, at least its in the Hoary repos.
[01:59] <thoreauputic> kent: cool
[01:59] <thoreauputic> kent: I'm on warty and I compiled it and used checkinstall to make a deb
[01:59] <HiddenWolf> Anyone here able to help me figure out what's wrong with esound?
[02:00] <crimsun> twentyone: use alsamixer from the terminal (or a terminal emulator).  Failing that, use amixer.
[02:00] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: need a few minutes, I'm diagnosing albert's issue.
[02:01] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: cool
[02:01] <kent> HiddenWolf, dont you get sound from esound? I dont either. Im using Hoary. Dont know why realy. :(
[02:02] <HiddenWolf> kent: it seems some update messed up my mixer settings. apps like xine listen to the mixer now, but rythmbox et all don't
[02:02] <albert> crimsun, i go to reboot, i will test a "post" on a forum
[02:03] <albert> crimsun, look this, looks like a general problem
[02:03] <albert> crimsun, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1994.html
[02:04] <kent> HiddenWolf, I dont know what causes my problem. I can listen to music if i set gstreamer-properties to use alsa. But if i set it to esd, and try to play the audio-test, I cant hear something. It seems esd wont play sound :(
[02:04] <HiddenWolf> my problem is that alsa won't work. :S
[02:05] <crimsun> kent: have you ensured that esd is actually running before trying to play a sound?  System>Preferences>Sound>Enable sound server startup
[02:05] <crimsun> kent: then in a terminal, pgrep esd
[02:05] <kent> crimsun, yes. Its running,
[02:06] <Evildoer> crimsun, gxine does not appear on the menu after install either
[02:06] <kent> crimsun, and if i play a file with esdplay, then I get no sound :(
[02:06] <crimsun> kent: what error does gst give you when you attempt to test via System>Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector>Default audio sink>ESD>Test
[02:06] <twentyone> crimsun: ok, I tried alsamixer.... but doesn't exist ;) it has been renamed under ubuntu to : aumix :)
[02:06] <twentyone> crimsun: thanks :)
[02:06] <crimsun> twentyone: no, alsamixer is in the 'alsa-utils' package.
[02:07] <kent> crimsun, I dont have that application in there. (Im using Hoary, daily updated). Its gstreamer-properties you are talking about right? I get no errors when i try the test, I just dont get any sound. which I get if I choose alsa :(
[02:08] <HawoK> hi there, someone can help me with the "new" conexant accessrunner's driver? (xdslusb / speedtouch-based)
[02:08] <crimsun> kent: so the progress bar moves during the test, but you can't hear anything?
[02:08] <kent> crimsun, yes.
[02:09] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: seems some update removed multimedia systems selector from the menu
[02:09] <crimsun> Evildoer: pkill gnome-panel
[02:10] <Evildoer> crimsun, it does not appear even after reboot
[02:11] <crimsun> Evildoer: simple enough solution: its .desktop file needs to be reworked
[02:12] <kent> Evildoer, checked if it got a .desktop-file?  either look in synaptic, or run dpkg -L gxine
[02:12] <jc-denton> can it be that the current ubuntu install cd 5.04 does not support wep for wlan?
[02:12] <Evildoer> crimsun, its Anubis, I told you about another program that did that too...just thought I'd tellyou about this one too;)
[02:12] <crimsun> kent: it does, but I venture its .desktop file uses an incorrect path.  http://higgs.djpig.de/cgi-ubuntu/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=gxine&version=hoary&arch=i386
[02:12] <jc-denton> at least not with ipw 2100
[02:13] <Evildoer> kent, the .desktop file is seperate from the package?
[02:13] <Evildoer> nm
[02:13] <albert> crimsun, still with no sound sfter my test :S
[02:13] <kent> crimsun, could there perhaps be some problem in my /etc/esound/esd.config that causes my problem with esd? Is there some default-file I can check against?
[02:13] <crimsun> Evildoer: we're aware of a bunch of such programs.  Make sure they're listed on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile with an appropriate note (since that one does have a .desktop file, just needs to be double-checked)
[02:14] <Evildoer> k
[02:14] <Evildoer> crimsun, rhythmbox now works!
[02:15] <crimsun> albert: which dxs_support value are you using?
[02:15] <rofflewaffle> Hi, I was wondering how much Ubuntu costs?
[02:15] <crimsun> rofflewaffle: it's free to obtain, of course.
[02:15] <albert> options snd_via82xx dxs_support=1
[02:15] <albert> options snd_via82xx dxs_support=2 - froze xmms
[02:15] <albert> options snd_via82xx dxs_support=3 - poor GStreamer and system sounds
[02:15] <albert> options snd_via82xx dxs_support=4 - worked great as well.
[02:15] <Anubis> rofflewaffle, LOL?
[02:15] <albert> the 4
[02:15] <crimsun> rofflewaffle: if you are unable to download it, fill out your postal address for ship it, and the number of cds you request will be mailed to you.
[02:15] <albert> or only need 1 ?
[02:16] <Anubis> rofflewaffle, time?
[02:16] <gss0079> rofl's, I eat rofl's for breakfast
[02:16] <bob2`> (rofflewaffle is a crapflooder/troll)
[02:16] <Anubis> ohhhh
[02:16] <crimsun> gah, thanks bob2`
[02:16] <albert> crimsun, i need only 1 line no?
[02:16] <gss0079> Why doesn't Ubuntu come with gcc and the like?
[02:16] <albert> options snd_via82xx dxs_support=4 its the correct ?
[02:16] <crimsun> albert: so you executed: modprobe snd-via82xx dxs_support=4 ?
[02:17] <crimsun> gss0079: it does.  apt-get install build-essential
[02:17] <gss0079> lol
[02:17] <albert> crimsun,
[02:17] <albert> root@ubuntu:/home/albert # modprobe -a snd-via82xx dxs_support=4
[02:17] <albert> WARNING: Module dxs_support=4 not found.
[02:17] <albert> root@ubuntu:/home/albert #
[02:17] <albert> :S
[02:17] <thoreauputic> gss0079: it's on the disc if I remember correctly
[02:17] <crimsun> gss0079: please remember that as a desktop-oriented distribution, development tools generally aren't installed by default.
[02:18] <crimsun> albert: why -a ?
[02:18] <albert> crimsun, sorry
[02:18] <gss0079> Does Ubuntu support winmodems fairly well?
[02:18] <bob2`> gss0079: as well as any other distribution
[02:18] <gss0079> =P
[02:18] <albert> without -a accept the command
[02:18] <LadyRoot> same as any other linux
[02:18] <gss0079> gah
[02:18] <albert> but no give sound working
[02:18] <albert> crimsun, i need a reboot?
[02:18] <bob2`> gss0079: there's not much anyone can do, the drivers are usually non-free and often require money
[02:18] <crimsun> albert: ok, did you remember to readjust the volumes after you loaded, unmuting as necessary?
[02:19] <gss0079> Yeah
[02:19] <albert> crimsun, yes
[02:19] <gss0079> POS windmodems
[02:19] <bob2`> tho apparently my laptop modem works with snd_i8x0m or something
[02:19] <crimsun> albert: so 4 doesn't work?  Have you tried 1?
[02:20] <claint> how come i have sound on the desktop, but none of my programs are giving out any sound?
[02:21] <albert> crimsun, nope
[02:21] <claint> bah, clicked on the wrong spot by the way
[02:21] <crimsun> claint: please describe more fully.
[02:21] <albert> crimsun, not work with 1 , 2 , 3 , 4
[02:21] <crimsun> albert: and what about the default (without any dxs_support parameters)?
[02:22] <roo_> hi all
[02:22] <roo_> :)
[02:22] <claint> crimsun: the sound card works for sound events like logon, clicks on windows, the ubuntu drums and what not. but for programs like bzflag, or java programs, i have no sound.
[02:22] <kent> crimsun, hmm. I solved it. If I opened up alsamixer and raised all of the millions of millions settings, then I now get sound from esd. Strange though, I never thought about that since i actually got sound from other applications like totem-xine etc. I didn't think there could make any difference for esd if i raised one settings in the mixer, :(
[02:22] <CaPS_> Hi
[02:22] <albert> i will go to gnome crimsun
[02:22] <albert> 1 sec
[02:23] <crimsun> claint: using ,,gstreamer-properties'', ensure your default audio sink it set to ESD, and click Test
[02:23] <crimsun> is set, rather
[02:23] <crimsun> kent: are you using the ALSA that's distributed with the Ubuntu kernel, or are you using the version from 'alsa-source' (universe)?
[02:24] <claint> crimsun : test works.
[02:24] <claint> crimsun : still no sound in java
[02:24] <crimsun> claint: make sure your audio applications are set to use esd.  For instance, if you use beep-media-player or xmms, set the output plugin to esound.
[02:25] <crimsun> claint: pkill esd, then try your java app
[02:25] <kent> crimsun, alsa from the kernel. (I think.) I have not tuched it, so it should be the default.
[02:25] <crimsun> kent: cat /proc/asound/version
[02:26] <albert> crimsun, still not working, with the all 4 options :S
[02:26] <claint> crimsun: after killing esd, i got sound in java.
[02:26] <kent> crimsun, Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.6 (Sun Aug 15 07:17:53 2004 UTC)
[02:28] <thoreauputic> kent: usually it says the kernel versio nit was compiled for - is that there too?
[02:28] <crimsun> claint: problem resolved.
[02:28] <crimsun> kent: yes, that's the kernel's included ALSA version.
[02:28] <kent> thoreauputic, yes. Wait a sec,.
[02:28] <kent> Compiled on Apr  1 2005 for kernel 2.6.10-5-k7
[02:28] <johnnybezak> do canonical pay any ubuntu dev's ?>
[02:28] <claint> crimsun: but i had to kill esd
[02:28] <claint> crimsun
[02:28] <claint> crimsun : not exactly a solution
[02:29] <crimsun> claint: that's why polypaudio was strongly considered
[02:29] <Hayden> is it possible to convert mpg to mov?
[02:29] <crimsun> in the end, however, polypaudio was not reasonable for Hoary.
[02:29] <claint> crimsun : cant i just choose plain alsa from gstreamer-properties?
[02:30] <crimsun> claint: sure, it's your system.  Just remember to change all your sound apps to use ALSA directly.
[02:30] <crimsun> claint: and make sure esd isn't started automatically.
[02:30] <claint> crimsun: is there a debian/ubuntu command to get it out of init execution?
[02:31] <HawoK> claint: you should give dmix a try
[02:31] <HawoK> (for that sound problem)
[02:31] <Akrame> how can i have a graphical grub on my hoary ?
[02:31] <crimsun> claint: just uncheck the "sound server startup" option
[02:31] <claint> crimsun : what's dmix?
[02:31] <HawoK> claint: sort of digital mixing
[02:31] <crimsun> claint: dmix is alsa-lib's multiplexing
[02:31] <thoreauputic> claint:  update-rc.d to change your start up scripts
[02:32] <Akrame> how can i have a graphical grub on my hoary ?
[02:32] <crimsun> Akrame: what do you mean by "graphical"?
[02:32] <crimsun> albert: did you try using 'alsa-source' from universe?
[02:33] <claint> allright, thanks everyone
[02:33] <albert> crimsun, how i try "alsa-source" ?
[02:33] <HawoK> Akrame: IIRC there is a parameter in menu.lst that allows you to put a xpm in the background
[02:33] <claint> gotta jet
[02:33] <albert> alsa-source - ALSA driver sources
[02:33] <albert> ?
[02:33] <crimsun> albert: enable the universe repository, then apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source
[02:33] <maddler> hmmm... anyone using openoffice? cannot understand where am I supposed to configure the printer...
[02:33] <Akrame> Hawok , ii think i have an old version of GRUB
[02:34] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: since I plugged in a headset, rythmbox uses the headset. Other programs still use the soundcard/speakers
[02:34] <albert> crimsun, installing
[02:34] <jc-denton> hrmm
[02:34] <kain> I've installed ubuntu hoary current right now, I cannot find under system -> preferences -> multimedia system selector, any ideas?
[02:34] <jc-denton> i was not asked for a root passwd during the installation
[02:34] <jc-denton> how can i set it now?
[02:34] <HiddenWolf> kain, open a terminal, try gstreamer-properties
[02:34] <crimsun> kain: it was removed, apparently.  Use ,,gstreamer-properties''
[02:34] <clowni> neither was i
[02:34] <HawoK> jc-denton: sudo passwd root
[02:34] <kain> HiddenWolf, thanks
[02:34] <[Spooky] > hey, i need some help in mounting a ntfs partion... anyone have any any idea or a howto ??
[02:35] <clowni> also i cant install nmap on it
[02:35] <HawoK> jc-denton: BUT you shouldn't use that (unless you want, which is the case =)
[02:35] <kain> HiddenWolf, wondering why it not show up in menu
[02:35] <HiddenWolf> kain: someone removed it
[02:35] <clowni> rpm is missing dependencies
[02:35] <kain> acc
[02:35] <kain> right, thanks
[02:35] <jc-denton> HawoK: ?
[02:35] <clowni> sory not rpm /distro
[02:35] <clowni> lol
[02:36] <jc-denton> isn't sudo passwd a little bit dangerous?
[02:36] <thoreauputic> clowni: enable the universe repository in package manager ( synaptic) and reload
[02:36] <clowni> ok
[02:36] <clowni> thanks
[02:36] <HawoK> jc-denton: well you may use also "sudo -i"
[02:36] <HawoK> it will open a root shell
[02:37] <bob2`> clowni: nmap installs on ubuntu just fine
[02:37] <bob2`> [Spooky] : edit /etc/fstab, add a line like this: /dev/whatever /mnt/ ntfs umask=002 0 0
[02:37] <thoreauputic> clowni: and use your user password for sudo, there's no root password by default
[02:37] <HawoK> then you can use passwd =)
[02:38] <clowni> ok
[02:38] <HiddenWolf> crimsun; how do I force rythmbox not to use my usb headset to output?
[02:38] <clowni> im used to freebsd
[02:38] <clowni> lol
[02:38] <thoreauputic> clowni: actually nmap is in main
[02:38] <clowni> ok
[02:38] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: is rb the only app that does?
[02:38] <clowni> ill look
[02:38] <thoreauputic> clowni: so universe isn't really needed for that
[02:39] <[Spooky] > bob2`: ok and how do i find out the hd? ?
[02:39] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: yup, perhaps gaim/system sounds aswell, but gxine and tvtime / other things I listen to go to my soundcard still
[02:39] <bob2`> [Spooky] : you don't know which disk it is?
[02:40] <AstralJava> Hey Dan, all.
[02:40] <[Spooky] > bob2`: yes hdb according to dmesg
[02:40] <bob2`> [Spooky] : cool.  only partition on that disk?
[02:40] <bob2`> [Spooky] : also, are you sure? afaik, windows won't boot off hdb.
[02:41] <[Spooky] > bob2`: my windows boot from another hd
[02:41] <bob2`> ah
[02:41] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: what's your device order according to /proc/asound/cards ?
[02:41] <etzerd> Hello room
[02:41] <bob2`> [Spooky] : then /dev/whatever will be /dev/hdb1
[02:41] <etzerd> guys I need some help
[02:42] <bob2`> etzerd: best to just ask your question
[02:42] <thoreauputic> etzerd: just ask
[02:42] <etzerd> this is the first time I'm using ubuntu
[02:42] <etzerd> how can I install KDE with ubuntu
[02:42] <etzerd> it seems to me it come only with gnome
[02:42] <albert> crimsun, ready, i install the alsa-source
[02:42] <albert> now what more
[02:42] <albert> ?
[02:42] <bob2`> etzerd: install kubuntu-desktop, in hoary
[02:43] <Riddell> etzerd: kubuntu.org/faq.php
[02:43] <[Spooky] > bob2`: cool it works, thanks for the help man :)
[02:43] <crimsun> albert: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source; say no to PnP, yes to debug, "via82xx"
[02:43] <clowni> thor>i typed in synaptic search"nmap" no results,typed nmap in root terminal command could not be displayed
[02:43] <clowni> just wondering where im going wrong
[02:43] <bob2`> [Spooky] : you're welcome
[02:44] <thoreauputic> clowni: have you reloaded/ or done apt-get update?
[02:44] <clowni> ok ill reload
[02:44] <clowni> brb
[02:44] <albert> crimsun, ready
[02:46] <crimsun> albert: cd /usr/src && tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2 && cd modules/alsa-driver
[02:46] <crimsun> albert: err
[02:46] <crimsun> albert: cd /usr/src && sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2 && cd modules/alsa-driver
[02:46] <albert> crimsun, done
[02:47] <albert> make ?
[02:47] <albert> or need be reconfigured?
[02:47] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: 0: headset - 1: audigy - 2: bt878 (tvtuner) - System sounds and gaim notices go to headset, tvtime and xine go to audigy
[02:48] <crimsun> albert: sec
[02:48] <albert> crimsun, ok
[02:48] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: are you using an ~/.asoundrc || /etc/asound.conf
[02:48] <jc-denton> fuck autocomplete on ubuntu sucks :P
[02:49] <jc-denton> i need a space after pressing tab
[02:49] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: neither
[02:50] <lok> jc-denton, you have a space only if no other commands exists but if you have the command foo and foobar pressing tab after foo don't make a space
[02:50] <lok> it's the same on for all distribution
[02:50] <lok> -on
[02:51] <PecK> hey all
[02:52] <clowni> hey peck
[02:52] <jc-denton> lok: ah sry
[02:52] <jc-denton> i saw
[02:52] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: odd, I don't know off the top of my head why that's the case.  Try with a new user (make sure $USER is in the appropriate groups).
[02:52] <jc-denton> there is dhclient and dhclient3
[02:52] <jc-denton> i never saw dhclient3 before
[02:53] <PecK> what application would you recommend for developping websites. i'll be using xml, css, php and html mainly
[02:53] <crimsun> albert: sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[02:53] <lok> jc-denton, try ls -l on dhclient I'm pretty sure that it links to dhclient3 ;)
[02:53] <clowni> whats the uptime in here on some machines running ubuntu
[02:54] <kain> PecK, try bluefish
[02:54] <clowni> i seen a debian machine other night 346 days up
[02:54] <jc-denton> lok: yes it is
[02:54] <jc-denton> if i mount a volume via ssh on gnome
[02:54] <jc-denton> how can i access it then via terminal?
[02:54] <PecK> kain, downloading, will try, thx :)
[02:54] <Gandalfar> how can I disable apt authentication features?
[02:54] <thoreauputic> clowni: umm...ubuntu has only existed since Otober 2004 :)
[02:55] <clowni> ok dude
[02:55] <crimsun> Gandalfar: not sure why you'd want to do such...
[02:55] <lok> jc-denton, sorry I don't know much about ssh
[02:55] <jc-denton> its more about gnome
[02:55] <Gandalfar> crimsun: because I want to add repository that doesn't have signed files
[02:55] <jc-denton> i used the before but with fuse
[02:55] <lok> but cd /mount/point seems to will works
[02:55] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: how about switching the device order so the headset comes after the soundcard?
[02:55] <albert> crimsun, /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/../alsa-modules-2.6.10-5-386_1.0.8-4ubuntu4_i386.deb
[02:55] <albert> crimsun, i need to install that .deb generated?
[02:55] <crimsun> Gandalfar: it will work, too, but you'll have to answer "yes" to the question regarding wanting to install unauthenticated packages
[02:56] <crimsun> albert: yes
[02:56] <thoreauputic> clowni:  1    25 days, 05:16:54 | Linux 2.6.8.1-4-386      Tue Mar  1 07:05:04 2005  ( several kernel updates here)
[02:56] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: sure.  Is the headset using snd-usb-audio?
[02:56] <thoreauputic> that's the highest so far
[02:56] <clowni> nice@that thor
[02:56] <libben> If i send my specs to ubuntu db, where can I find this db and read other entries?
[02:56] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: it should be
[02:56] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: echo "options snd-usb-audio index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[02:57] <kain> I've removed (purged) every -it (my language) packages, done dpkg-reconfigure to generate an en_US locale, but gnome is still my language, what's wrong? top menu is english now, but entries are italian
[02:57] <HiddenWolf> options snd-usb-audio index=-2
[02:57] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: takes effect next time you load snd-usb-audio.ko
[02:57] <kain> dpkg-reconfigure locales*
[02:57] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: probably easiest to reboot
[02:57] <Gandalfar> crimsun: not really, gpgv fails .. complaining that repository is not in bzip2 format?
[02:57] <kain> it is a home-related stuff?
[02:58] <crimsun> Gandalfar: apt understands both gzipped and bzip2ed {Packages,Release,Sources}
[02:58] <spiral> hi
[02:58] <HiddenWolf> crimsun, on my way
[02:59] <albert> crimsun, still not working
[02:59] <Gandalfar> crimsun: please tell me why following line:  deb http://www.morphix.org/debian ./
[02:59] <Gandalfar>      fails on ubuntu, yet works on debian sarge
[02:59] <albert> crimsun, need a reboot?
[02:59] <crimsun> Gandalfar: I don't know, I've never used that repo.
[02:59] <crimsun> albert: probably easiest, yes.
[02:59] <albert> crimsun, brb
[02:59] <albert> crimsun, a, thanx
[02:59] <Gandalfar> crimsun: how can I fix it?
[02:59] <albert> crimsun, u need be gold helper ;)
[03:00] <albert> not silver :p
[03:00] <pippo> ho quasi finito di avere la mia bella ubunto pronta. Mancano gli ultimi rotocchi: le icone che si vedono sullo sfondo sono troppo grandi....da dove posso modificare questa impostazione?
[03:00] <crimsun> albert: that's for the FN network ;)
[03:01] <libben> im reading the output that i get from hdparm... now. my dvd stutters in totem... and i checked hdparm -d /dev/hdc and it said it was of. how do i set it to on? cause -d just get status from it
[03:01] <crimsun> libben: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[03:01] <libben> l
[03:01] <bzzzbip> thoreapuptic: It looks as if ubuntu is already installed on my ibook!
[03:01] <libben> aah,... a small L =)
[03:02] <bzzzbip> but: how do I start a graphical desktop?
[03:02] <clowni>  startx
[03:02] <bzzzbip> now ive logged in in the shell
[03:02] <HiddenWolf> clowni: rather: gdm
[03:02] <libben> crimsun, i cant find the l part in the output screen from just typing hdparm..
[03:02] <clowni> srry
[03:02] <bzzzbip> startx? ok
[03:03] <clowni> gdm
[03:03] <clowni> type
[03:03] <bzzzbip> Im a totally newbie to linux
[03:03] <bzzzbip> so startx or gdm?
[03:03] <clowni> gdm
[03:03] <bzzzbip> thanks
[03:03] <crimsun> libben: that's the numeral one (1)
[03:03] <crimsun> libben: not a lowercase "el"
[03:04] <adam_> hey guys
[03:04] <libben> 1 l
[03:04] <libben> looked the same =) damn font =)
[03:04] <crimsun> libben: yeah, I have that problem at times ;)
[03:05] <Liz> can anyone help me restore my usb modules?..they're all disappeared
[03:05] <bzzzbip> it says: "command not found" wether i type startx or gdm
[03:05] <libben> crimsun, well cant find the 1 value anywere
[03:05] <libben> how should i get to know what 1 does... except u telling me =)
[03:05] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: I don't think the install is complete
[03:06] <crimsun> libben: man 8 hdparm
[03:06] <albert> crimsun, i see the error my friend
[03:06] <thoreauputic> bzzzbip: try typing   sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[03:06] <crimsun> libben: :)
[03:06] <adam_> guys, im running 64 bit, updated and all, and it sees my 9800 pro video card, but wont let me change my resolution to anything above 1024x768 can someone help?
[03:06] <albert> crimsun, its a NEW option on ALSA for Via Audio drivers
[03:06] <albert> crimsun, called EIC958 Monitor
[03:07] <albert> crimsun, on "Switches" all options need to be disable
[03:07] <albert> only enable PCM and Master
[03:07] <libben> dident looked in the -d section text... only scrolled to find the -1 part =)
[03:07] <libben> hmm...
[03:08] <Dreamer3> ok, my hoary system has been up 2 days, and i'm totally out of memory (512mb)... it just gradually disappeared
[03:08] <TheBoneSilver> Giorno a tutti
[03:08] <albert> TheBoneSilver, buen dia :)
[03:08] <HiddenWolf> Will the nvidia nforce drivers allow me to set DMA to my drives?
[03:08] <TheBoneSilver> Hello albert :D
[03:08] <Dreamer3> this hapepned on warty as well, but much closed, maybe 30-40 days...
[03:09] <xxenon> where does xine look for win32 codecs ? (.dll)
[03:09] <Dreamer3> never before ubuntu have i seen this... can anyone help me?
[03:09] <roo_> Dreamer3, looks like u have a memory leak in one of ur apps :/
[03:09] <albert> how i set my Gnome to use the "Browse mode" and not the "My computer" look ?
[03:09] <albert> TheBoneSilver, sup :)
[03:09] <crimsun> Dreamer3: make sure you're running the latest Hoary kernel
[03:09] <libben> what do i type to see my specs for my hds and partitions... mount wasnt satisfying enough for me
[03:09] <roo_> crimsun, Dreamer3, i doubt its a kernel issue..
[03:09] <PecK> hey again, still can't get firefox to quit... how can I kill it?
[03:09] <bet0x> crimsun, you are documenting all problems solved here
[03:10] <roo_> PecK, in terminal "sudo killall firefox-bin"
[03:10] <bet0x> crimsun, like a "FAQ"
[03:10] <PecK> roo_, thx ;)
[03:10] <Dreamer3> crimsun: were there known problems with one a few days ago?
[03:10] <bet0x> PecK, or "sudo pkill firefox"
[03:10] <thoreauputic> xxenon: /usr/lib/  I think
[03:11] <crimsun> Dreamer3: if one is very, very savvy with kernel exploits, possibly
[03:11] <crimsun> Dreamer3: in most situations, however, it's a userspace application that's not freeing/deleting dynamically allocated memory properly
[03:11] <thoreauputic> xxenon: /usr/lib/win32
[03:11] <Bruno> hello
[03:11] <Dreamer3> crimsun: ah... i will reboot here in a sec (i noticed the kernel upgrade a day or two ago)...
[03:11] <PecK> bet0x, roo_ , didn't work. still tells me default profile is in use, can't use it, so won't start
[03:12] <roo_> crimsun, agreed. i'd say its a memory leak. Dreamer3 which apps have u had running for those 3 days?
[03:12] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i didn't know apps could do that... there isn't OS cleanup or something?
[03:12] <roo_> PecK, in term "ps -A | grep firefox"  -- what does that give u?
[03:12] <Bruno> I just re-intalled ubuntu and I think I'm missing stuff on my repository,
[03:12] <crimsun> Dreamer3: if only, heh.
[03:12] <PecK> and roo_ when I tried the command you gave the console told me that no Firefox is in use
[03:12] <Bruno> can anybody tell me what else should I have in there besides default?
[03:13] <bet0x> PecK, on a terminal put "ps ax | grep firefox"
[03:13] <PecK> roo_, nothing
[03:13] <Dreamer3> crimsun: well, how would one go about tracking which program it is?
[03:13] <Waffer> my sound quality in ubuntu is bad, but its ok in windows, what could be wrong?
[03:13] <bet0x> PecK, its running ?
[03:13] <roo_> Dreamer3, are you using any custom/strange/non-standard applets or anything? gdesklets? superkaramba?
[03:13] <PecK> bet0x, yes
[03:13] <crimsun> Dreamer3: there are a number of C library options; on a per-application basis, try running with valgrind
[03:13] <PecK> bet0x, roo_ ,  7954 pts/1    R+     0:00 grep firefox
[03:13] <bet0x> PecK, kill the PID, "kill -9 PID"
[03:13] <Dreamer3> roo_: no... i have the moon thingy :)
[03:13] <bet0x> PecK, is not runing
[03:13] <crimsun> Dreamer3: that quickly moves into development territory
[03:14] <PecK> bet0x, lool
[03:14] <bet0x> hum
[03:14] <Dreamer3> crimsun: ah, i see
[03:14] <roo_> Dreamer3, difficult to track/trace.
[03:14] <crimsun> Waffer: what sound chipset?
[03:14] <Dreamer3> roo_: bummer
[03:14] <roo_> Dreamer3, when you say ur mem is "full".. how do u know?
[03:14] <Dreamer3> roo_: because rebooting every 2 days isn't gonna work :)
[03:14] <Tomasitas> hallo
[03:14] <thoreauputic> PecK: could be the GUI without the program - try xkill , then zap it with the  mouse
[03:14] <roo_> Dreamer3, does your system grind to a halt?
[03:14] <PecK> bet0x, any ideas?
[03:14] <Waffer> crimsum: I think its realtek alc655
[03:14] <bet0x> PecK, thinking..
[03:14] <Dreamer3> roo_: 512mb in use, and my swap keeps growing and things get very slow... yet i could close and restart X and go to console and all my memory would still be in use...
[03:15] <libben> what do i type to see my specs for my hds and partitions... mount wasnt satisfying enough for me
[03:15] <crimsun> Waffer: so you're using the snd-intel8x0 driver?
[03:15] <PecK> thoreauputic, there's no GUI window running in fact
[03:15] <PecK> bet0x, thx
[03:15] <thoreauputic> PecK: OK
[03:15] <Dreamer3> roo_: i imagine it would grind to a halt if it kept going :) but i have 512mb swap
[03:15] <Bruno> Does anybody here work on a 3d desktop?
[03:15] <crimsun> Waffer: make sure your mixer sliders aren't set to too high a level
[03:15] <woodywart1> Has Ubuntu 5.04 been released yet
[03:15] <roo_> Dreamer3, hmm, very odd. Running hoary you say?
[03:15] <Tomasitas> who can help me with cinfiguring grub?
[03:15] <Dreamer3> roo_: yes
[03:16] <bet0x> PecK, cd ~/.mozilla/firefox/
[03:16] <Dreamer3> roo_: fetching today's updates now, then i will reboot
[03:16] <Waffer> crimsun: how can I check what driver im using?
[03:16] <roo_> Dreamer3, ok, we can try valgrind i suppose to try and find the leak.. :/
[03:16] <roo_> Dreamer3, try update first tho.
[03:16] <bet0x> PecK, and remove the XXXXXXX.default directory
[03:16] <Dreamer3> roo_: does valgrind just run and watch things or you ahve to "profile" apps one at a time?
[03:16] <linuxboy> I got a 5 button mouse, can u ise the extra 2 buttons in ubuntu ?
[03:17] <roo_> Dreamer3, it can give you the mem allocation of single apps, amongst other things.
[03:17] <bet0x> PecK, u can edit the profiles.ini on the same direcroty
[03:17] <PecK> bet0x, won't that delete my default profile? That's what I was trying to avoid, so I won't lose everything I configured
[03:17] <bet0x> PecK, and set the correct profile for you
[03:18] <Tomasitas> pleezzzzz. help me :( how to configure grub? i can't load windows :(
[03:18] <bet0x> PecK, what u have on the profiles.ini ?
[03:18] <Waffer> crimsun: thx, I lowered the pcm level, and now its fine :)
[03:19] <bet0x> PecK, put the StartWithLastProfile=1 in StartWithLastProfile=0
[03:19] <PecK> bet0x,
[03:19] <PecK> bet0x, firefox still tells me default's in use
[03:20] <bet0x> PecK, what works for me
[03:20] <PecK> don't get it
[03:21] <thoreauputic> PecK: do you have something else that uses moz/firefox running ? nvu or moz composer?
[03:22] <freewoody> My firefox crashes at least once a day. What could be the problem?
[03:22] <crimsun> Waffer: great.
[03:22] <tck> freewoody, what version.
[03:23] <Skid> hi folks, i really need some help getting my wifi card working.. it's an adaptec ultra wifi pcmcia card... running 2.6.10-32 um and have tried using wlan-ng, but i get fromt he syslog, fatal unable to load prsim2_cs module
[03:23] <bet0x> other happy user PecK =p
[03:23] <Skid> i've tried everything.. before i had unsupported card in socket1
[03:23] <PecK> thoreauputic, nothing I can *see*, and nothing in theory
[03:24] <freewoody> I am using 1.02
[03:24] <PecK> bet0x, u bet :) i've been dual-booting with win and mandrake/red hat/knoppix... since i've ran into ubuntu, I just forgot about the dual boot
[03:24] <thoreauputic> PecK: I'd back up my .mozilla directory, restart and put things back bit by bit afterwards to find the culprit...
[03:26] <PecK> thoreauputic, bet0x advised me something similar. I ended up creating a new profile and now will copy files and definitions from the XXXX.default to the new XXX.PecK folder
[03:26] <jc-denton> how do i configure the mta installed by ubuntu
[03:26] <thoreauputic> PecK: yes, at least you'll know what the problem was if you restore in stages
[03:27] <PecK> thoreauputic, :) hopefully
[03:27] <thoreauputic> jc-denton:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix  ?
[03:28] <jc-denton> can i also install something like nullmailer on debian?
[03:29] <jc-denton> i dont want port 25 open
[03:29] <Dreamer3> ok, from the console before i rebooted 400mb was in use (that's after forgetting about cache, buffers, etc)... after reboot it was 48mb with all services reloaded...
[03:29] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: $ apt-cache search nullmailer
[03:29] <thoreauputic> nullmailer - simple relay-only mail transport agent
[03:29] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: so , yes you can
[03:29] <jc-denton> thoreauputic: i know
[03:29] <jc-denton> but will it break something
[03:29] <jc-denton> ?
[03:30] <thoreauputic> why would it?
[03:30] <jc-denton> i just wonder why ubuntu is shipped with postfix
[03:30] <jc-denton> the following packages will be removed:
[03:30] <jc-denton> ubuntu-base
[03:30] <thoreauputic> apt will tell you if installing it will be a problem
[03:30] <jc-denton> lol
[03:30] <thoreauputic> ah
[03:30] <roo_> Dreamer3, but u say that'll keep rising with time, right?
[03:30] <rizla> hi
[03:30] <thoreauputic> that could be an issue ... ;)
[03:31] <rizla> does anybody use mldonkey-gui?
[03:31] <jc-denton> but ubuntu base just contains documentation
[03:31] <roo_> Dreamer3, can you paste output of:      /bin/ps -A -o user,pid,pcpu,pmem,vsz,rss,tty,s,stime,time,args
[03:31] <roo_> Dreamer3, into pastebin.com
[03:31] <libben> anyone, what do i type to see my specs for my hds and partitions... mount wasnt satisfying enough for me
[03:31] <roo_> Dreamer3, repeat, into pastebin.com :)
[03:32] <roo_> libben, sudo fdisk /dev/hd{a,b.. whatever}
[03:32] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: ah, it's just a meta-package
[03:32] <Kikyo1> Hey hey.
[03:32] <bet0x> hey, how i can remove the KDE apps from my Gnome Menu?
[03:32] <roo_> libben, then "p" at the fdisk prompt will give u a partition table.
[03:32] <Kikyo1> Could anyone give em a quicky helpey? :)
[03:32] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: depends on a bunch of things is all
[03:32] <garrut> libben: fdisk -l
[03:32] <jc-denton> and what is strange too is that debconf does use dialog (hey ur on a gnome desktop)
[03:32] <Kikyo1> I'm wondering how I mount an ISO file from the console to like /media/cdrom2/
[03:33] <roo_> Kikyo1, mount -o loop file.iso /media/cdrom2/
[03:33] <Kikyo1> Thanks! :)
[03:34] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: removing ubuntu-base shouldn't break anything, as it's a metapackage
[03:34] <libben> fdisk -l dident help much garrut...  displayed nothing
[03:34] <roo_> Kikyo1, np :)
[03:34] <roo_> libben, sudo fdisk -l
[03:34] <Kikyo1> :)
[03:36] <jc-denton> and how can i customize the applications menu?
[03:36] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: are you on hoary?
[03:36] <libben> roo_, thxs... why dident it whine and moan about sudo? just typing fdisk -l dident say anything... as it usually does when sudo is requiered
[03:37] <jc-denton> yes
[03:37] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: if so, you need a menu editor (left out in gnome 2.10 ;/  )
[03:37] <Dreamer3> did every ubuntu system get this april fools joke thing?
[03:37] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: Amaranth has written one...
[03:37] <roo_> libben, no idea. mine moans :)
[03:37] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: I don't have the link handy...
[03:37] <garrut> Dreamer3: i did (hoary), that was fucking scary
[03:37] <garrut> :)
[03:37] <roo_> libben, rule of thumb; any program that can damage/impair your system if not used properly will be protected by sudo.
[03:38] <roo_> garrut, Dreamer3 what april fools joke? :/
[03:38] <Xappe> hmm, are there updates in progress? I get gpg errors from hoary-security
[03:38] <jc-denton> thoreauputic: how do i find it?
[03:38] <Dreamer3> garrut: does anyone think that things that lat could hurt ubuntu's viability as a corp desktop?
[03:39] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: it's on the forums... I'm looking now
[03:39] <jc-denton> ah thx
[03:39] <garrut> Dreamer3: why, it's not like anything was changed
[03:39] <roo_> haha, ive just seen it. its awesome, i love some of the humour in F/OSS
[03:39] <roo_> :)
[03:40] <Dreamer3> garrut: i think it set a bad precedent for paranoid system admins...
[03:40] <Dreamer3> garrut: what will they push to all my PCs next, and haloween backdrop?
[03:40] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21390&highlight=menu+editor+hoary
[03:41] <garrut> Dreamer3: i thought it was funny, and it only happened if you used the default, if you were using a custom one it stayed the same
[03:41] <swschulz_> What was it?
[03:41] <jc-denton> if i undersand it right
[03:42] <jc-denton> i cannot make changes to the menu without using an unoffical package?
[03:42] <TheBoneSilver> Sorry , do you use aMule ?
[03:42] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: I think you can trust Amaranth :)
[03:42] <Dreamer3> garrut: garrut i assume is hoary had been realeased it would not have happened
[03:43] <Zepticon> hi... Is there any way to get Opera to work on my AMD 64 system?
[03:43] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: he's in and out here and in the dev channel all the time :)
[03:43] <Dreamer3> garrut: pushing such an update from a security only mirror i would view as ever more shady
[03:43] <sexytiger> hey, I had an Nvidia Geforce 4 MX440 but yesterday I changed it for an ATI radeon 9200 pro, and now the X server won't start, how do I install ATI drivers?
[03:43] <HighlanderMcLoud> hi guys/girls
[03:43] <jc-denton> well thats not the point
[03:43] <crimsun> sexytiger: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:43] <jc-denton> there MUST BE ONE
[03:43] <jc-denton> i think
[03:44] <roo_> heh, jc-denton, nope :)
[03:44] <sexytiger> thanks
[03:44] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: complain to the gnome people ;)
[03:44] <jc-denton> hehe
[03:44] <HighlanderMcLoud> April 6th is confirmed as release date for new ubuntu?
[03:44] <andrek> is there a way i change between LCD and TV without restarting X?
[03:44] <roo_> jc-denton, thank Gnome, Destroyer of Menu Editors.
[03:45] <wezzer-> what?
[03:45] <garrut> Dreamer3: i think it's ok, it's just a different picture, but i see what you mean and you're probably right about it not happening in the official release, there are probably some people here on warty who can confirm that
[03:45] <wezzer-> April 6th?
[03:45] <crimsun> HighlanderMcLoud: 8 April, 2005
[03:46] <Dreamer3> garrut: i mean i'm not up in arms over it or anything, just saying :)
[03:46] <jc-denton> i was already bitching at #gnome cos u cannot access gnome-vfs via shell
[03:46] <Dreamer3> garrut: not something i'd expect on my RHEL box...
[03:47] <cyborg> hi
[03:47] <HighlanderMcLoud> crimsun: thanks
[03:47] <crimsun> HighlanderMcLoud: np
[03:47] <HighlanderMcLoud> someone perhaps knows how to get free hosting at dotgeeks.org?
[03:48] <HighlanderMcLoud> or some other free php5/mysql hosting service?
[03:48] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3  I'm on Warty and the *picture* was not part of the updates ;-)
[03:49] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: yeah :)
[03:49] <jc-denton> is there an easy way to install fuse on ubuntu?
[03:49] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3, the people using hoary are not corporate types :)
[03:50] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: says who? :)
[03:50] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: apt-cache search fuse >>fuse-source - Filesystem in USErspace (source for kernel module)
[03:50] <thoreauputic> fuse-utils - Filesystem in USErspace (utilities)
[03:51] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3, heh, well I guess some are :)
[03:51] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: thoguht i agree anyone actively deploying is a little ahead of the game...
[03:54] <Dreamer3> wow, got quiet, did everyone go to church/
[03:55] <Merovingian> In what country did Ubuntu originate?
[03:56] <roo_> Merovingian, how do you mean? You mean the Ubuntu project, or the name?
[03:56] <Merovingian> Aah, sponsored by Canonical Ltd
[03:56] <jc-denton> thoreauputic: they will work with the standard kernel?
[03:57] <Dreamer3> what's the best way to have a script that is supposed to run all the time btu STAY up?
[04:01] <ubuntoid> Dreamer3:  stay up?
[04:03] <looksaus> anyone knows a secure web statistics package?
[04:03] <looksaus> preferably not written in perl like awstats or webalize
[04:03] <looksaus> r
[04:04] <Dreamer3> ubuntoid: yes, i don't want it to die...
[04:04] <Dreamer3> ubuntoid: i was running getmail from cron every 5 minutes... but lately i've been getting messages 5-10 times so i think the downloads are taking too long and it's running multiple getmails simultaneously (that's my best guess), but i need to fix this, very annoying
[04:05] <Dreamer3> ubuntoid: it needs to run as my user, so i'm not really sure about putting it in init.d as a daemon
[04:06] <ubuntoid> Oh, typically one could use nohup, but that wouldn't work in this instance.
[04:06] <ubuntoid> Almost need to create some code to check for a pid and not run if another instance is already running
[04:06] <Dreamer3> ubuntoid: a bash script to run it every 5 minutes is trivial, i just don't know where to launch that script from
[04:06] <neofeed> doth anyone know how to remove sticker (those you iron onto objects) from a cap(headgear)
[04:06] <neofeed> ?
[04:06] <Dreamer3> ubuntoid: so you think ishould write a wrapped, and keep using it from cron?
[04:07] <ubuntoid> That's probably what I would do
[04:08] <thoreauputic> neofeed: that's amazingly off-topic ! *grin*
[04:08] <andreaussi> qlcn puo aiutarmi?
[04:08] <Dreamer3> ubuntoid: hmmm... it's a python program... so pidof getmail doesn't work
[04:08] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: he's wanting to put a ubuntu sticker in it's place...
[04:08] <neofeed> thoreauputic, nah it's not... I have a cap with a weird sticker I want to remove to place an ubuntu sticker onto it
[04:08] <thoreauputic> neofeed: my apologies ;-)
[04:09] <neofeed> thoreauputic, see everything is related :P
[04:09] <Dalkus> neofeed, looked at google...?
[04:09] <thoreauputic> neofeed: yes, my eyes have been opened ;-)
[04:09] <neofeed> Dalkus, yep. But I guess due to my inability to find the right phrases I can't find a suitable howto...
[04:10] <neofeed> I suspect it should work with boiling water... -- maybe? or Do I have to sharp it off? --
[04:10] <Dalkus> try *shrugs*
[04:11] <neofeed> tuxmobil.org/howto_remove_microsoft_label.html  -- hmmm... no
[04:11] <thoreauputic> neofeed: try the point of the iron to heat it, and see if you can prise it off with a knife slipped under the corner?
[04:11] <andreaussi> qlcn parla italiano?
[04:12] <neofeed> thoreauputic, you mean the tool to iron clowth?
[04:12] <thoreauputic> neofeed: yes
[04:12] <thoreauputic> andreaussi:  /join #ubuntu-it
[04:12] <andreaussi> thanks
[04:13] <buerste> hey
[04:13] <intero> hi
[04:13] <neofeed> TheMuso, will try.
[04:13] <neofeed> thoreauputic, that was for you anyway ;)
[04:13] <Dreamer3> ubuntoid: ok, bash script it is, now where to launch it...
[04:13] <Dreamer3> ubuntoid: i could just start it with my x session, no?
[04:14] <buerste> i used this howto: http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu#Install_chroot to do a 32bit chroot, but if i want to sudo dpkg -i cedega_4.1-1_i386.deb, this error occures: sudo: unable to lookup ubuntu via gethostbyname()
[04:14] <buerste> Password:postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory
[04:14] <andreaussi> ubuntu-it doesen't exist
[04:14] <thoreauputic> andreaussi: yes it does
[04:15] <thoreauputic> #ubuntu-it
[04:15] <Dreamer3> why will killall getmail work, but not pidof?
[04:15] <buerste> already solved my problem
[04:15] <thoreauputic> andreaussi: probably you forgot the #
[04:15] <crimsun> Dreamer3: how are you using pidof?
[04:15] <Dreamer3> crimsun: pidof name
[04:16] <crimsun> Dreamer3: that returns pids
[04:16] <andreaussi> i've type /join #ubuntu-it but  That chanel doesen't exist
[04:16] <thoreauputic> andreaussi: currently 16 in that channel including me ( temporarily)
[04:16] <Dreamer3> crimsun: except in this case it doesn't return anything, which is my problem
[04:16] <crimsun> Dreamer3: use pgrep instead
[04:16] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i would blame it on the fact that it's a bash script, but killall seems to know what to do with it
[04:16] <thoreauputic> andreaussi: *sigh* I'm in it *right now*
[04:17] <thoreauputic> andreaussi: and so are you now, but don't bother apologising....
[04:17] <Dreamer3> crimsun: thanks!
[04:17] <crimsun> Dreamer3: np
[04:17] <mdke> is there a tool which will help me rename a lot of image files according to their date?
[04:18] <intero> can i say warty is the stable version while hoary is less stable (as sarge and sid)? i am trying to figure out the difference
[04:18] <mdke> intero, yes
[04:18] <ohgood> mdke: krename is .o.k., if you can stand k-stuffs
[04:18] <intero> mdke: thanks
[04:18] <sal002> Morning
[04:18] <mdke> ohgood, not really, i don't have any k-stuff libs, command line would be fine?
[04:18] <ohgood> mdke: or you can write you own ;)
[04:18] <intero> mdke: and do names change from time to time?
[04:18] <mdke> intero, 6 months
[04:19] <mdke> inetd, hoary is out on april 8
[04:19] <sal002> Is apt-get upgrade on woary failing in unpacking replacement linux-image-2.6.10-5-386?  It seems to be hanging
[04:19] <intero> mdke: they both change, or just one?
[04:19] <mdke> intero, hoary will become the latest stable version, and the new testing version will begin shortly after that
[04:19] <crimsun> sal002: it may take a long time on a slow machine with very little free memory
[04:20] <sal002> 2.2 Ghz Sempron with 512 Megs memory?
[04:20] <mdke> sal002, if you're using synaptic try opening the terminal tab
[04:20] <jc-denton> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20769&highlight=xorg+Extensions
[04:20] <intero> mdke: fine, thanks a lot
[04:20] <mdke> sal002, it may be asking you a question
[04:20] <andrek> is there a way i change between LCD and TV without restarting X?
[04:20] <sal002> Don't see anything
[04:20] <jc-denton> i always get Parse error on line 1 of section (null)
[04:20] <jc-denton> but i did as described in the howto
[04:20] <sal002> Just says "Unpacking replacement linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[04:20] <jc-denton> do i have to install something aditionally to xcompmgr?
[04:21] <Dreamer3> ok... i don't know how the script can check for a previously running instance, because it keeps seeing itself and dying...
[04:21] <sal002> I'll reboot and try again...
[04:21] <crimsun> Dreamer3: use a pid file or a stamp file in a secure fashion.
[04:21] <mwh_> is there an irc channel for motu?
[04:22] <crimsun> mwh_: we're in ubuntu-motu
[04:22] <mwh_> ahh
[04:22] <thoreauputic> mwh_: #ubuntu-motu
[04:22] <mwh_> thanks
[04:22] <jc-denton> i googled quite a while for that error and couldn't find anything
[04:23] <Dreamer3> crimsun: ah, just compairing against $$ works
[04:23] <jc-denton> woops
[04:23] <jc-denton> sry
[04:23] <jc-denton> i had a typo in that file
[04:24] <Dreamer3> ok, what file do i put EDITOR= in so crontab will know to use vi? i can never remember, .profile, .bashrc, etc?
[04:25] <sobanet> can anyone here point me to a good newsreader that doesnt want to blow out the ubuntu desktop?
[04:25] <Dreamer3> sobanet: huh?
[04:25] <mdke> sobanet, i use pan
[04:25] <sobanet> Dreamer3: a usenet reader
[04:26] <Dreamer3> ?
[04:26] <thoreauputic> sobanet: pan
[04:26] <sobanet> ah
[04:26] <sgtshatta> question?? how does one add a window manager to the gdm startup??
[04:26] <sobanet> thanks muchly
[04:26] <Dreamer3> *.bashrc?
[04:26] <lok> .xinitrc ?
[04:27] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3, or just specify it in the script
[04:27] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: ?
[04:27] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: i'm wanting to change the default editor that crontab uses to edit files
[04:27] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3, I see - I thought you just wanted it for a script
[04:28] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: ok, added it to .bashrc
[04:28] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3, what about update-alternatives
[04:28] <Dreamer3> i do'nt think i should switch distros anymore, too much work
[04:29] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: nah, that changes it for everyone :)
[04:29] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: but thanks, i didn't know that worked also :)
[04:29] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3, yes that's a global setting
[04:30] <Dreamer3> ok, let see if my new getmail script works :)
[04:31] <Dreamer3> what a lazy day
[04:31] <Kamakazie> Hey, anyone know howto boot into dos, with no floppy disk?
[04:31] <Dreamer3> Kamakazie: yeah, install DOS
[04:31] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3, update-alternatives shows  "editor" pointing to vim anyway :/
[04:32] <Kamakazie> No, I just need it to start a non bootable windows disc
[04:32] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: oh, well, that's not it then
[04:32] <Dreamer3> Kamakazie: huh?
[04:32] <buerste> hi still got a little problem with chrooting
[04:32] <Kamakazie> i am trying to dual boot win corporate with ubuntu
[04:32] <Dreamer3> does evms talk lvm2 YET?
[04:33] <buerste> cant access my cdrom in chroot
[04:33] <buerste> this is the fstab file: /dev/hda        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[04:33] <buerste> ./media/cdrom    /var/chroot/media/cdrom none    bind            0       0
[04:33] <buerste> (without the dot)
[04:34] <Dreamer3> darn it
[04:34] <Myrtti> buerste: hint: / /media/cdrom
[04:34] <Dreamer3> how do oyu change screen in evmsn
[04:34] <Myrtti> /media/cdrom
[04:34] <buerste> ?
[04:34] <Dreamer3> YES!
[04:35] <Dreamer3> about time!
[04:35] <Myrtti> no need to use the dot
[04:35] <Myrtti> anyway...
[04:35] <Kamakazie> can ya boot to dos from a thumbdrive?
[04:35] <buerste> i know, its just there to stop irc from using it as command...
[04:35] <Dreamer3> Kamakazie: depends on the PC
[04:35] <claint> how do i stop esd from starting everytime i login.
[04:35] <claint> how do i stop esd from starting everytime i login
[04:35] <Dreamer3> Kamakazie: usually it's USB Zip (in the bios)
[04:35] <claint> sorry.
[04:35] <thoreauputic> buerste: a space works just as well, or an additional /
[04:35] <buerste> kk
[04:35] <buerste> but
[04:35] <Dreamer3> Kamakazie: and not all usb cards support it well
[04:36] <claint> how do i stop esd from starting everytime i login? and how do i make it so that my sounds dont use esd?
[04:36] <buerste> what am i doin wrong?
[04:36] <Kamakazie> Dreamer, okay, I downloaded corporate version, but it wasnt an ISO, just the files that need to be on the disk, i burnt it to a disk, but its not bootable
[04:38] <thoreauputic> claint: in sound server preferences, disable sound server start-up
[04:38] <buerste> no one help me :(
[04:38] <Dreamer3> the ubuntu installer support EVMS/LVM out of the box, right?
[04:38] <thoreauputic> buerste: maybe no one knows
[04:38] <Dreamer3> incluring the creation of new EVMS objects though, or not?
[04:39] <claint> thoreauputic : why does it use esd?
[04:39] <thoreauputic> claint: I don't know - it's a gnome thing - for instance xfce doesn't use it
[04:40] <Quarupt> Okay, how can i use K3b to make a bootable CD?
[04:40] <mdke> [OT]  over the last 24 hours I have started getting "mail not delivered messages" to my email account. The messages reveal spam being sent from my address. Is it possible that someone is using my account illegally, or are they just making it seem like their spam emails come from my address?
[04:40] <claint> Quarupt : are you writing an iso?
[04:40] <jc-denton> http://rafb.net/paste/results/8tgquK63.html
[04:40] <jc-denton> why is this
[04:40] <Quarupt> claint, no
[04:40] <habib> hello everybody
[04:40] <jc-denton> i tought i could use fuse with the linux-kernel-headers package
[04:40] <Dreamer3> mdke: prolly the latter
[04:40] <mdke> Dreamer3, ok that sucls
[04:40] <Dreamer3> mdke: sine e-mail isn't authenticated almost anyone can "send e-mail from your account"...
[04:41] <Quarupt> claint, just all the files that are contained on the windows corporate edition CD
[04:41] <mdke> Dreamer3, :(
[04:41] <Dreamer3> mdke: i can fire up my e-mail right now and send e-mail from your "account" :)
[04:41] <mdke> so its you!
[04:41] <Dreamer3> mdke: not
[04:41] <Dreamer3> mdke: get used to it
[04:41] <mdke> :p
[04:41] <Dreamer3> mdke: spam isn't going away until we have more robust e-mail
[04:42] <habib> My soundcore.ko n other files r with out permission, this could be cause I update my gcc version!?
[04:42] <bwlang> mdke: sounds like you're the victim of a "joe job"... that happened to me after i got active in trying to shut down spammers.
[04:42] <PecK> XML rocks
[04:42] <bwlang> mdke: i think it was payback
[04:42] <mdke> bwlang, i haven't done anything
[04:42] <bwlang> mdke: i guess it's just bad luck for you then (probably for me too if i take off my tin foil hat)
[04:43] <mdke> bwlang, heh
[04:44] <Dreamer3> anyone want to send me a hoary release CD express mail for a few bucks paypal?
[04:44] <jc-denton> http://rafb.net/paste/results/8tgquK63.html
[04:44] <Dreamer3> otherwise i order one off ebay, and it took like a week last time :0/
[04:44] <Dreamer3> :-/
[04:44] <mvirkkil> What's up with the wiki?
[04:44] <t3h_j4n> Can someone please help me with the install of ubuntu?
[04:44] <Quarupt> How can i make a bootable CD?
[04:45] <bwlang> Quarupt: google for "el torito"
[04:45] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: what are you having problems with?
[04:45] <bwlang> Quarupt: programs like k3b make it pretty easy these days
[04:45] <mvirkkil> It seems changes from the last 1-2days are missing from the wiki?
[04:45] <Dreamer3> who was it here i was talking to about the "Brown screen" problem the other day?
[04:46] <t3h_j4n> it gets to a certain point, then it gives me the message about having only a little bit of RAM
[04:46] <t3h_j4n> then I say OK and it continues only to show the message again and again
[04:46] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: what are the specs of your install CD?
[04:46] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: this is during the install?
[04:46] <t3h_j4n> yes
[04:46] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: system specs, and is this hoary or warty
[04:47] <t3h_j4n> I'm using the intelx86 warty edition
[04:47] <t3h_j4n> 32 Megs, pentium 2 200Mhz
[04:47] <bwlang> Dreamer3: dunno... but that happens when all of your processes don't go away after you quit your X session... do a ps aux | grep `whoami` at the command prompt to see what you're still running and kill those tasks (with a -9 signal if necessary)
[04:47] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: that's not enough to install ubuntu
[04:47] <thoreauputic> t3h_j4n: you need 128MB
[04:47] <t3h_j4n> bah!
[04:47] <Dreamer3> bwlang: no, it happens before i start X the first time
[04:47] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: um no :)
[04:47] <thoreauputic> t3h_j4n: or a minimal expert install
[04:47] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: i installed it on 64mb just fine :)
[04:47] <t3h_j4n> the CD says I need 32MB
[04:48] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3, well, 128 is recommended
[04:48] <Dreamer3> bwlang: it was my sound... guess the driver wasn't fulled supporting... kill esd allowed gnome to startup
[04:48] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: agreed :)
[04:48] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: i just don't think 32mb is really enough for the installer to function
[04:48] <t3h_j4n> how do I do a minimal expert install?
[04:48] <mvirkkil> t3h_j4n: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/miniRAM/view?searchterm=memory
[04:48] <t3h_j4n> I don't either
[04:48] <Dreamer3> bwlang: i should get a forum accound and post taht
[04:48] <mvirkkil> t3h_j4n: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/miniRAM
[04:48] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: you won't have a desktop
[04:48] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: do you just want console?
[04:49] <bwlang> Dreamer3: bummer... i bet it will time out eventually  but it shouldn't block.
[04:49] <Dreamer3> mvirkkil: what WM does miniram propose?
[04:49] <Dreamer3> bwlang: agreed, but 5 minutes is too long to wait :)
[04:49] <mvirkkil> Dreamer3: icewm
[04:49] <t3h_j4n> ack I just want something to run a PDF reader, text editors and so forth
[04:49] <Dreamer3> bwlang: it was a big problem, few threads on the forums
[04:49] <t3h_j4n> I like consoles :)
[04:49] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: *laughs*
[04:49] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3, i personally would install Debian on that machine - I have a pentium 200 running Debian Woody and fluxbox
[04:50] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: try console_pdf
[04:50] <Dreamer3> j/k
[04:50] <bwlang> t3h_j4n: i think blackbox is a good choice for that circumstance...
[04:50] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: try damn small linux
[04:50] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: honestly
[04:50] <t3h_j4n> okay, thanks
[04:51] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: i know people use ubuntu on that old hardware with alternative WM's, but really it still has a lot of memory pressure from daemons and stuff that other small distros don't have
[04:51] <hub> hi
[04:51] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: i mean you can turn them off, but you might like DSL based on what you describe
[04:51] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: it's a 50mb download
[04:51] <hub> I'm in Canada, and daylight saving did not occur on the Linux boxes
[04:51] <t3h_j4n> I don't know about alternative WM's I'm still trying to get past the install :)
[04:51] <spiral> hmmm... I've got a problem with sk98lin... does anyone work on this ?
[04:51] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: try DSL, unless you just want ubuntu to b "cool" like the rest of us
[04:52] <t3h_j4n> lol
[04:52] <bwlang> spiral: i don't even know what that is...
[04:52] <mvirkkil> How many changes do you guys see on this page? https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage/recentchanges?period=day There should be something like 20-30
[04:52] <Jimbob> Dreamer3: 10:52a
[04:52] <spiral> bwlang: an ethernet card module
[04:53] <Dreamer3> Jimbob: hmmmm, oh my system knows
[04:53] <thoreauputic> hub: you have universal time as your default?
[04:53] <Dreamer3> Jimbob: but not my clock
[04:53] <Myrtti> mvirkkil: I see only one change
[04:53] <hub> thoreauputic: I think
[04:53] <t3h_j4n> OK, according to this thingy, I have to type custom at the prompt to install in minimal mode, is that correct?
[04:53] <Dreamer3> hmmmm
[04:54] <thoreauputic> hub: daylight saving changed automatically here: Australia Eastern
[04:54] <Dreamer3> that means the server in texas is off
[04:54] <hub> thoreauputic: I'm still in EDT
[04:54] <mvirkkil> Myrtti: Someone has f*cked the wiki. All changes/additions in the last couple of days have been wiped.
[04:54] <Dreamer3> hmmmmmm
[04:54] <mvirkkil> I had personally made new pages there and they are gone :-(
[04:54] <bwlang> t3h_j4n: i don't think you're going to be happy with ubuntu on that hardware...  debian is a better choice
[04:55] <pjm31> true
[04:55] <Dreamer3> bwlang: that's why i told his DSL
[04:55] <Dreamer3> bwlang: it's a fun little distro
[04:55] <t3h_j4n> DSL = Damn Small Linux?
[04:55] <Myrtti> mvirkkil: that sucks and spits
[04:55] <Dreamer3> bwlang: i'm wanting to setup a PC with no moving parts running it now
[04:55] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: yes
[04:55] <habib> does anyody knows why my sound r not working any more, after I apt-get gcc?!?
[04:55] <thoreauputic> t3h_j4n: you'll be fighting all the way to get it to install - damnsmall or debian are the way to go
[04:55] <t3h_j4n> so which is better DSL or Debia?
[04:56] <bwlang> Dreamer3: for no moving parts leaf is a great choice...
[04:56] <t3h_j4n> bah! but ubuntu is cool!
[04:56] <mvirkkil> Myrtti: Yeah
[04:56] <t3h_j4n> nah, i'll try DSL or Debian
[04:56] <thoreauputic> t3h_j4n: debian is more "normal"
[04:56] <bwlang> t3h_j4n: yeah... but you lose the coolness with such old hardware.
[04:56] <t3h_j4n> I don't like normal
[04:56] <t3h_j4n> true, true
[04:56] <thoreauputic> t3h_j4n: for instance the X server is standard
[04:56] <hub> crap
[04:56] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: i'm so happy i just bought a athlon XP 1800, 512mb, 20g +40g from my uncle for 25$ :)
[04:56] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: it will run ubuntu way better than my 900mhz lappy
[04:57] <bwlang> t3h_j4n: it's really a preference issue.  Debian is much more popular... and probably has more packages build fo ryou
[04:57] <t3h_j4n> argh! I hates you!
[04:57] <whiteknight> ubuntu runs brilliantly on a ppc 800mhz
[04:57] <t3h_j4n> bwlang: aha! that's the crux of it
[04:57] <bwlang> Dreamer3: you mean your unck just gave you a computer
[04:57] <Dreamer3> bwlang: true, depends on what he wants to do :)
[04:57] <Dreamer3> bwlang: he got a new one... and this one looks old and has win 98 ;-)
[04:57] <thoreauputic> t3h_j4n: I know debian will run happily on a P200 mmx - I have one right next to me
[04:57] <pjm31> Does anybody know a well-supported Webcam model with Ubuntu?
[04:58] <Dreamer3> bwlang: he has a P4 hyperthreaded now and thinks its so cool :) he just wanted me to get his stuff off his old one and a few bucks :)
[04:58] <t3h_j4n> thoreaputic: and how much ram do I need, is 32MB enough?
[04:58] <bwlang> pjm31: i recommend a cheap digital camera... they're more flexible than a dedicated web cam
[04:58] <Dreamer3> bwlang: one of the CD drives is a bit flakey, but i think it was a good deal :)
[04:58] <thoreauputic> t3h_j4n: for a minimal install with blackbox or fluxbox, yeah
[04:58] <thoreauputic> t3h_j4n: and use light apps
[04:59] <jc-denton> aaarggh
[04:59] <bwlang> t3h_j4n: the more the better... you can run with 32 but it you'll have to use one program at a time and avoid big programs like openoffice, emacs, etc.
[04:59] <Dreamer3> bwlang: i had someone give me a XP 1800/128mb/20gig with a non-functional ME install... system was fine :)
[04:59] <jc-denton> and there are no kernel-sources for 2.6.10
[04:59] <jc-denton> what can i do?
[04:59] <Dreamer3> bwlang: i seem to have good luck in that department
[04:59] <t3h_j4n> thoreaputic: Yay! Thanks, dude.
[04:59] <bwlang> t3h_j4n: or just make friedns with Dreamer3's friends... ;)
[04:59] <t3h_j4n> bwlan: lol
[04:59] <thoreauputic> t3h_j4n: http://users.netwit.net.au/~pursang/     << good advice on lofat linux
[04:59] <crimsun> jc-denton: kernel sources for 2.6.10?
[04:59] <pjm31> bwlang, I tryed 2 ones yet ...
[04:59] <crimsun> jc-denton: do you mean Ubuntu-provided ones, or?
[05:00] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: do you have high speed interenet?
[05:00] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: In a word... no.. er.. no
[05:00] <dabeej> what could be the problem
[05:00] <buerste>  LC_ALL = (unset),  how to set?
[05:00] <bwlang> pjm31: i can't really give you much advice... but i know that the canon powershot S400 will work as a "web cam"
[05:00] <hub> so, my timezone has been changed to EDT
[05:00] <buerste> (locale)
[05:00] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: ah...
[05:00] <hub> but not the real time
[05:00] <dabeej> if your cd's dvd's and usb mass storage devices
[05:00] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: i'd still try DSL
[05:00] <dabeej> aren't mounting
[05:00] <dabeej> automounting
[05:00] <jc-denton> i mean the ubuntu provided
[05:00] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: might just work for you
[05:01] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: I'll definately check it out
[05:01] <crimsun> jc-denton: apt-get linux-source-2.6.10
[05:01] <jc-denton> as far as i understood i should be able to build fuse with linux-kernel-headers
[05:01] <jc-denton> but i can't
[05:01] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: and if you want a newer version of the cool beaver editor that comes with it i've been working on "deaver" :)
[05:01] <pjm31> join #Debian
[05:01] <thoreauputic> t3h_j4n: DSL would work fine, and the app choices are good
[05:01] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: That's er... a 'colourfull' name...
[05:01] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: because beaver is moving to GTK2, but due to the small size DSL (in CD form -50mb) only has GTK1.2 :)
[05:01] <crimsun> jc-denton: apt-get install fuse-source
[05:02] <housetier> how do I mount a ntfs partition so that a user has ownerships and read write permissions on the files and directories? I already tried rw,user,uid=1000,gid=1000; it is mounted rw but the user cannot even read all the files. do I have to tweak this umask parameter somehow? (I have no understanding of how umask works)
[05:02] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: what? deaver?
[05:02] <crimsun> jc-denton: install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[05:02] <Xappe> hmm, where is the world going? editing beavers...
[05:02] <jc-denton> i did
[05:02] <crimsun> jc-denton: then follow the directions in /usr/share/doc/fuse-source/
[05:02] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: Yeah
[05:02] <jc-denton> yes
[05:02] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: what's wrong with it?
[05:02] <jc-denton> its called linux-source
[05:02] <jc-denton> that was confusing
[05:02] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: it can't stay beaver, since they're moving on
[05:02] <jc-denton> cos debian called it kernel-source
[05:02] <crimsun> jc-denton: you don't need linux-source to build it
[05:02] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: but i like to acknowledge it's roots
[05:02] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: The name's fine.. it just sounds a bit... flaky
[05:02] <dabeej> is it hald that does that or something?
[05:02] <crimsun> jc-denton: yes well, this is Ubuntu...
[05:02] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: lol
[05:02] <jc-denton> and there are also packages called kernel-source
[05:03] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: oh... it's sorta from sara deaver in sweet november :)
[05:03] <crimsun> jc-denton: and kernel-source are unsupported (in universe)...
[05:03] <bwlang> housetier: you need to learn about umask ...  and keep in mind that nfs does not work based on user name... it works based on userid (user number) so you need to have unified pasword/shadow files or use NFS/ldap/etc for your user database
[05:03] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: plus it rhymes with beaver
[05:03] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: Very poetic
[05:03] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: thanks, i try
[05:04] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: i just compiled the GTk2 version the other day and saw they've made most of the same changes i thoguht og :)
[05:04] <housetier> bwlang so could you tell me a umask that will give the user read-write permissions?
[05:04] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: damn, that sucks
[05:04] <crimsun> housetier: just the user?  002
[05:04] <housetier> bwlang does this work for ntfs as well?
[05:04] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: not really, i learned a lot :) and not i can backport some of their code :)
[05:05] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: lol, dude, very optimistic of you
[05:05] <bwlang> housetier: did you understand that bit about uid vs username?  do you understand binary numbers?
[05:05] <thoreauputic> bwlang: ntfs doesn't support unix-style permissions
[05:05] <thoreauputic> oops
[05:05] <hybrid> hello all
[05:05] <bwlang> thoreauputic: you mean ... yeah. housetier
[05:05] <thoreauputic> sorry bwlang
[05:05] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: most of what i do is editing source, so i need a good editor :)
[05:06] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: and beaver (with help) can be really close to the latest gedit
[05:06] <housetier> bwlang sorry for bothering you so much
[05:06] <t3h_j4n> dreamer3: ah. have you seen Kate? I used it once and liked it.
[05:06] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3, scite is nice, too
[05:06] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: yeah, kate in 50mb, not likely :)
[05:06] <t3h_j4n> dreamer3: Oh yeah SCiTe is very, very cool
[05:07] <t3h_j4n> dreamer3: Plus it doesn't compare with Scite
[05:07] <bwlang> housetier: when i get botherd i'll stop answering... ntfs can support concept of userid, umask etc for permissions. on a mount point i think.  It's read only anyway unless you're really living on the edge.
[05:07] <thoreauputic> t3h_j4n: scite, beaver or nedit are good on low ram machines
[05:07] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: is there a gtk 1.2 version of scite?
[05:07] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: if so i'll get it and compile it and check it out
[05:08] <t3h_j4n> yeah I noticed, it kind of sucks when you actually notice the diffirence in compile times between your desktop and laptop
[05:08] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3, I'm not sure - I think it uses gtk2 but I may be wrong
[05:08] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: it does currently, i just wonder if there is an older version
[05:09] <t3h_j4n> okay, weel I've got to go and read some articles and stuff, so bye
[05:09] <bwlang> t3h_j4n: with your slow hardware you'd benefit from dist-cc... pretty handy on old machines
[05:09] <t3h_j4n> what's dist-cc?
[05:09] <dabeej>  7792 ?        Ds     1:25 /usr/sbin/hald --drop-privileges
[05:09] <dabeej> hold this
[05:10] <superted_> anyone know how the beagle package is coming along?
[05:10] <jordanau> thoreauputic, you taught me a little about permissions about a week or two a go, i read up on them and understand them now thank you very much
[05:10] <bwlang> t3h_j4n: its a program that lets you do compiliations on all your computers at once (sort of like a cluster for compiling)
[05:10] <thoreauputic> jordanau: you're very welcome :)
[05:10] <jc-denton> but there are no packages for sshfs (with fuse)?
[05:10] <jc-denton> at least i couldnt find one
[05:10] <t3h_j4n> bwlang: ooo! gimmicks!
[05:10] <t3h_j4n> bwlang: nah, if the times get to long, i'll just compile on my desktop
[05:11] <t3h_j4n> bwlang: the laptop is mostly for running DnD sessions, making notes in class, that type of stuff, maybe a little programming but, hey, we'll see
[05:11] <bwlang> t3h_j4n: the point is that when you compile it does work on all your comptuers transparently.  It's easy to setup and pretty transparent.
[05:12] <t3h_j4n> bwlang: I guess you'll need a network for that though
[05:12] <bwlang> t3h_j4n: certainly...
[05:12] <t3h_j4n> bwlang: err.. this is a VERY old laptop...
[05:12] <yhonatan> Where is the APT Directory
[05:12] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: try DSL :) you won't regret it
[05:12] <Madeye> guys, I'm having terrible problem, anyone can check this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=23653 ?
[05:12] <t3h_j4n> bwlang: But I see your point it's very cool
[05:13] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: apt-cache search  sshfs
[05:13] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: plus DSL has a very cool name
[05:13] <bwlang> t3h_j4n: thought it will work on your computer alone when you're disconnected.   An old pcmcia net card will only cost you about 5 bucks
[05:13] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: I think that will show you some if your sources are right
[05:13] <yhonatan> where is the
[05:13] <yhonatan> APT directory?
[05:13] <jc-denton> shfs is not for fuse
[05:13] <t3h_j4n> bwlang: If it isn't that costly I should consider it, if only for sheer funness value
[05:14] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: OK, I misunderstood you, sorry
[05:14] <t3h_j4n> bwlang: Then I can tell people, "My programs are so big they need to be compiled on two PC's"
[05:14] <Madeye> anyone ?
[05:14] <yhonatan> Help?
[05:14] <jc-denton> np
[05:14] <t3h_j4n> bwlang: Of course then people will start asking me which systems they where
[05:14] <thoreauputic> yhonatan: the question is ambiguous
[05:15] <yhonatan> where is the
[05:15] <thoreauputic> yhonatan: what are you wanting to do?
[05:15] <yhonatan> Source.list file?
[05:15] <t3h_j4n> bwlang: And I'd had to answer: "A P4 and a P2"
[05:15] <t3h_j4n> bwlang: The respone to that will be something like "?"
[05:15] <thoreauputic> yhonatan:  /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:15] <yhonatan> 10x:)
[05:16] <thoreauputic> t3h_j4n: to really confuse them, quote bbogomips ;-)
[05:16] <thoreauputic> *bogomips
[05:17] <t3h_j4n> thoreaputic: Now I'm gonna look stupid, and ask, "What's a bogomip?"
[05:17] <thoreauputic>  cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep bogomips
[05:17] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: a unit of measurement of speed?
[05:17] <Dreamer3> bogomips        : 1777.66
[05:17] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: *whistles* like instructions per second?
[05:17] <thoreauputic> t3h_j4n: supposedly a measure of how many times per sec a cpu can do nothing ;-)
[05:18] <mvirkkil> t3h_j4n: It's just a really crude performance number of your cpu. Not very accurate, but will give you a general idea.
[05:18] <thoreauputic> hence "bogo" as in "bogus"
[05:18] <t3h_j4n> thoreauputic: The amount of irony in that sentence is enough to kill a whale
[05:18] <t3h_j4n> thoreaputic: Ah I see!
[05:18] <mvirkkil> For example my ADSL modem is ~100 bogomips :-)
[05:19] <thoreauputic> t3h_j4n: I believe Linus invented the measurement and named it :)
[05:19] <libben> i wanna find where my hdparm config file is located..... but i wanna use grep... how do i do that?
[05:19] <t3h_j4n> Look! My CPU can do nothing 1777.66 times a second!
[05:19] <hybrid> lol
[05:19] <kent> libben, why do you want to use grep for that? use locate for searching in the harddisk, or the gnome search.
[05:20] <t3h_j4n> umarmung: I like your name
[05:20] <libben> ooh...
[05:20] <libben> so why do i allways see ppl telling others to use grep bla bla bla bla =)
[05:20] <t3h_j4n> bah: That's even better.
[05:20] <thoreauputic> bogomips	: 3997.69
[05:20] <kent> t3h_j4n, mine does 3964 ;) Thats more nothingness than yours ;)
[05:20] <t3h_j4n> That's it I'm having my name legally changed to BAH!
[05:20] <t3h_j4n> kent: lol
[05:20] <t3h_j4n> Fear My NOTHINGNESS!
[05:21] <cored> hi all
[05:21] <t3h_j4n> It sounds like some kind of computer-deathcult that worships the great computer void or something
[05:21] <cored> which is the command for starting openoffice ?
[05:21] <LadyRoot> oo
[05:21] <Quinn_Storm> 2375.68 bogomips
[05:21] <thoreauputic> cored: oowriter
[05:22] <LadyRoot> cored, e.g. oo --writer
[05:22] <thoreauputic> cored: or ooimpress or whatever
[05:22] <kent> libben, you can use grep to search for stuff from inside one or more files. Like "grep hello file.txt" will search that file for the word hello.  But, if you dont know which file, then grep is not usefull; that is, if you dont know at all where the file is. But, hdparm.conf should be in /etc/ some where..  *hint*
[05:22] <umarmung> t3h_j4n: thx
[05:23] <libben> allready found it with locate =) thxs... im gonna understand on how to make auto hdparm -d1 on my dvd..
[05:23] <cored> LadyRoot: there is no such command
[05:23] <LadyRoot> cored, maybe it's only in old oo, i use oo only
[05:23] <dross> hi there
[05:23] <thoreauputic> cored: type  oo  <tab> ,tab>
[05:23] <dross> :)
[05:23] <Dreamer3> wait till i try that on my NEW syste
[05:23] <Dreamer3> wait till i try that on my NEW system
[05:23] <t3h_j4n> w007! I love this "www.damnsmalllinux.org"
[05:23] <kent> libben, there is some samples in the hdparm.conf that you can play with. It should not be so hard.
[05:24] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: you got it already?
[05:24] <dross> Question: are linux-restricted modules available for 2.6.11?
[05:24] <t3h_j4n> erm. no.
[05:24] <thoreauputic> cored: that tab trick will show the lot
[05:24] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: the proof is in the pudding, don't rave about it until you use it ;-)
[05:24] <t3h_j4n> I just loaded the webpage
[05:24] <cored> hmm maybe the problem is zsh tab completion
[05:24] <cored> :(
[05:24] <libben> yeah... but they freak me out =) .... i just want like u do it in bat files  =) just adding the line hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[05:24] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: I'm just raving about the website name*sniff*
[05:24] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: *laughs*
[05:24] <libben> but looking in that file... and all examples is commented out... well =) dont know what to think =)
[05:24] <thoreauputic> cored: either `openoffice` or `oowriter` should work
[05:25] <libben> Cause i know that my hdb is dma on...
[05:25] <libben> and thats not listed there
[05:25] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: i really want to build a 100% silent PC with it, but don't have the $$$ right now
[05:25] <t3h_j4n> Cool! They have a South African download site, sweet!
[05:25] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: Ah.. Yes.. I'm in the same situation
[05:25] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: they sell them on the website... 512mb flash, 256mb ram, 533mhz eden processor... no moving parts $350
[05:26] <felipefonsec1> hi all
[05:26] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: I'm intrigued by this idea
[05:26] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: 50mb for DSL, 450mb free for whatever you want :)
[05:26] <thoreauputic> cored: "Here's a nickel, kid - get yourself a new shell "   ;-)
[05:26] <felipefonsec1> anyone knows what replaced alsaconf?
[05:26] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: OOoooo!
[05:26] <thoreauputic> felipefonsec1: nothing
[05:27] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: i've just used some noisy (and some quiet - Antec 600BFE case) systems and i have a an appreciation for the never ending backfround noise that is my home
[05:27] <Kamakazie> how can i add files to an ISO?
[05:27] <Kamakazie> can I use K3b?
[05:27] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: Lol
[05:27] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: appreciation=dislike
[05:27] <fff> thoreauputic: ok, but how do I configure my sound card in ubuntu?
[05:27] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: i mean i wouldn't develop/compile code on one, but to surf the web, e-mail, web design... sure
[05:27] <Kamakazie> I just wanna make a bootable windows corporate CD here,
[05:28] <libben> kent, can i pm ? i think i got it.. but dont wanna spam the channel. u just need to say Yes or No if i got it right =)
[05:28] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: I have a P4, and use the standard fan. Needless to say any big game = NOISE!
[05:28] <Sav> i made an update with synaptic, now i cant boot with windows in grub, any ideas where to add windows oot?
[05:28] <thoreauputic> fff: that I don't know - the devs in their wisdom decreed that alsaconf caused more trouble than it solved, apparently
[05:28] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: I hear you. But I'd use it for coding, noise distracts me
[05:28] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: i bought that antec case from newegg after reading lots of reviews and you can BARELY hear that PC at the office, it's quietier than my laptop
[05:28] <buerste> is it possible to install 32bit ubuntu on a 64bit arch system?
[05:29] <anso> no
[05:29] <fff> thoreauputic: ok, thanks.
[05:29] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: i bought a silent CPU fan too... it uses 120mm fans too, so they can spin slower and still push enough air
[05:29] <buerste> chrooting sucks so hard, nothings working
[05:29] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: How much did it cost?
[05:29] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: the case, not the cpu fan :)
[05:29] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: the case was $80
[05:29] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: the cpu fan maybe $10?
[05:29] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: maybe $15.
[05:29] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: though the stock AMD fans aren't terrible
[05:30] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: *nod*
[05:30] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: My PC sounds like a chinook helicopter filled with eliphants
[05:30] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: this machine's power supply in it's old case was dying and overheating and i went all out to do it right... and haven't regreted it yet... thinking about migrating another PC to that case :)
[05:30] <t3h_j4n> elephants*
[05:30] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: the pc i just bought from my uncle needs a new PC fan badly
[05:31] <libben> I scrolled down to the bottom, where i find the command line uncommented out......  //hdparm
[05:31] <libben> #command_line { hdparm -q -m16 -q -W0 -q -d1 /dev/hda #}
[05:31] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: and prolly new CD drives... think i might order this coming week
[05:31] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: Is it making a grating noise?
[05:31] <libben> i just change that to -d1 /dev/hdc?
[05:31] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: gah! I hate you! :)
[05:31] <libben> and it will be aplied everytime?
[05:31] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: no, it's just a loud fan, louder than i want to deal with :)
[05:31] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: :)
[05:31] <AstralJava> "(18:30:55) habib left the room ("Konversation terminated!")." What's that, conversation in KDE? ;)
[05:31] <Kamakazie> How can I add files to an ISO?
[05:32] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: think it might become a new workstation at home, or replace my old server, but i'm leaning towards dual-head workstation :)
[05:32] <t3h_j4n> AstralJava: hehe
[05:32] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: just need to know where i'm going to fund the moeny for the two 19" lcds i'd want ;-)
[05:32] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: You're one of those people who live with the wreckage of like 5 PC's at home right?
[05:32] <Riddell> AstralJava: correct guess
[05:32] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: I admire you
[05:32] <Sav> i made an update with synaptic, now i cant boot with windows in grub, any ideas where to add windows oot?
[05:32] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: no, that's the office *laughs*
[05:33] <LadyRoot> Kamakazie, you can add files in k3b to a multisession disk
[05:33] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: I'm only at two at the moment *pouts*
[05:33] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: i have a P3/733, 768mb, 120+gb that is my firewall/server and just my laptop at home
[05:33] <AstralJava> Riddell: I would have known, I never work with that. :)
[05:33] <AstralJava> wouldn't*
[05:33] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: I have my games machine, running winXP ( BAH! ) and then my laptop, which is for screwing around with
[05:33] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: the olds erver loses the bios everytime you turn it off and you have to reflash it on boot up
[05:34] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: THat's atrocious
[05:34] <Kamakazie> LadyRoot, what ya mean multiseesion disk, I have the Ultimateboot disk ISO, and I wanna add more files to the ISO and burn a CD
[05:34] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: oh well, it's 100% rock solid (runs for 150+ days easily) when it's up ;-)
[05:34] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: I have one friend, who'se computer is a celeron, his solution to the PC not booting is to hit it, hard
[05:34] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: It has a dent
[05:34] <Infie> is there an easy way to tell ubuntu to use alsa rather than oss?
[05:34] <Dreamer3> um, ok :)
[05:35] <Dreamer3> ouch
[05:35] <Dreamer3> i'd be mroe worried about his hand
[05:35] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: We laugh at him a lot
[05:35] <Dreamer3> Infie: it should use it by default
[05:35] <Infie> my sound works (oss modules in lsmod), but many applications report no soundcard
[05:35] <Infie> sdl programs for example
[05:35] <Infie> ok
[05:35] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: We also found a Bar One wrapper in his case one time
[05:35] <Infie> I wonder if there is a way to get SDL to use the oss driver..
[05:35] <Dreamer3> Infie: sure
[05:35] <tsume> are there any packages for linux-restricted yet for the latest kernel?
[05:36] <Dreamer3> Infie: libsdl1.2debian-oss (package)
[05:36] <Dreamer3> Infie: it may be in universe, not sure
[05:36] <Infie> ok, thank you
[05:36] <Kamakazie> LadyRoot,
[05:37] <LadyRoot> Kamakazie, i dont remember, i dont have a cd recorder in this laptop, but it can be done in k3b
[05:37] <ubunuitis> I'll make this short and 2 the point. Sound issues with SB emu10K based cards. ie SB Live 5.1 and SB Audigy. I have no sound but modules are loaded. Any pointers please...
[05:38] <Quinn_Storm> ubunuitis: I have an SB Live (value) and I had no trouble...start with making sure mixer is up and then try catting something to /dev/dsp
[05:39] <fabbione> ubuntu-itis: run the mixer and be sure that the Audigy Analog is checked
[05:39] <fabbione> it is called also Channel A on some mixers
[05:39] <Kamakazie> LadyRoot, K3b cant even open an ISO just write it, so how
[05:39] <LinuxJones> ubunuitis, also check gstreamer-properties and make sure alsa is selected for output
[05:40] <ubuntu-itis> Quinn_Storm: the slider on the vol ctrl on the desktop keeps going back to botom. I use gnome destop. Should I apt install ESD or like ?
[05:40] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: to open an iso,  mount -o loop file.iso /mnt ; cd /mnt ; ls
[05:40] <Quinn_Storm> ubuntu-itis: actually that sounds like the gnome desktop vol control can't contact the mixer
[05:40] <Quinn_Storm> ubuntu-itis: try running a mixer app to see if you can change anything from it
[05:40] <Kamakazie> thoreauputic, how can i add files to an ISO, and make it back into an ISO?
[05:40] <arthur> hey all, is there any version of QUicktime for Linux?  Just curious.
[05:41] <linuzo> is there a command I can type to install a development tools with one command??
[05:41] <libben> anyone http://www.pastebin.com/266527 / hdparm Q
[05:41] <Quinn_Storm> arthur: I believe you can use the windows quicktime dll's somehow, but I'm not certain
[05:41] <libben> think i got it down
[05:41] <LinuxJones> arthur, there are codecs from the mplayer site that most folks use for playback
[05:41] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: once it's mounted, I suppose add the files, use mkisofs to make an ISO, burn
[05:41] <Quinn_Storm> arthur: of course that's only for x86
[05:41] <phobosanger> hello i have a very strage problem ....  i had a power failer today and since then every time i try to brawes the internet ( if it with KONQ or FIREFO) my sys get stuck ...
[05:41] <phobosanger> what sould i look for ? how can i find the problem ?
[05:41] <phobosanger> should*
[05:42] <Kamakazie> thoreauputic, can it be done with ark or the archive manager?
[05:42] <ubuntu-itis> Quinn_Storm: From the searching I been doing, none of the apps I run can find mixer or DSP. almost like /dev/? is not there or something.  running ubuntu 4.10
[05:42] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: I haven't done it, but if you google for "remaster ISO" or "morphix remaster" you'll find info on making bootable ISO systems
[05:43] <Quinn_Storm> ubuntu-itis: not sure what to say
[05:43] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: I believe the nautils file manager makes an ISO before burning files as well
[05:43] <thoreauputic> *nautilus
[05:43] <Extreme> I need to configure X again on UBUNTU: how can i manage with that?
[05:43] <t3h_j4n> The naughty-lis
[05:43] <Extreme> Is there any command to do that?
[05:44] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: the boot mechanism normally requires an el torito boot image
[05:44] <ubuntu-itis> dpkg --reconfigure Xfree86 ?
[05:44] <thoreauputic> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[05:44] <LinuxJones> Extreme, you running warty or hoary ?
[05:45] <ubuntu-itis> Extreme: or just hack /etc/X11/XF86config
[05:45] <ubuntu-itis> thanks thoreauputic.  :)
[05:45] <Extreme> ubuntu-itis : i ll try
[05:45] <thoreauputic> ubuntu-itis: no, XF86Config-4
[05:45] <Extreme> ;)
[05:46] <Freezer|> cat: /proc/pci: No such file or directory??? I just want to know what driver is installed for my ATI Radeon 9000 (ubuntu 5.04).
[05:46] <thoreauputic> Freezer|: lsmod
[05:46] <thoreauputic> and lspci
[05:47] <Freezer|> I am reading the HowTo for installing the gflrx driver http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:47] <ubuntu-itis> If I download and hack/compile an app from src, how do I turn that into an ubuntu/debian package ?
[05:47] <LinuxJones> Freezer|, cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver
[05:47] <thoreauputic> ubuntu-itis:  use checkinstall
[05:47] <ubuntu-itis> checkinstall ?
[05:48] <thoreauputic> ubuntu-itis: it replaces " make install" and makes and installs a deb
[05:48] <Infie> is there a doc for nvidia/ati cards on ubuntu?
[05:48] <paulproteus> thoreauputic: It actually "wraps around" make install.
[05:48] <thoreauputic> sudo apt-get install checkinstall
[05:48] <Freezer|> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver
[05:48] <paulproteus> Freezer|: The BinaryDriverHowto.
[05:48] <Dreamer3> does nvidia due dual-head easily?
[05:48] <thoreauputic> paulproteus: OK - but the *command* replaces "make install"
[05:49] <paulproteus> thoreauputic: Okay. :)
[05:49] <Dreamer3> *do
[05:49] <thoreauputic> paulproteus: we're both right ;-)
[05:50] <ubuntu-itis> never heard of it. I'm trying to add to the ubunt deb repository with some software I think might be worthwhile. Least I can do after spending time getting it going. :)
[05:52] <ubuntu-itis> thoreauputic: like vlc 0.8.1 as ubuntu version is old and broken.
[05:52] <thoreauputic> ubuntu-itis: for that you need more sophisticated tools
[05:52] <Extreme> Is there a command to change the mouse from a ps/2 to usb?
[05:52] <thoreauputic> ubuntu-itis: I don't know enough to help with genuine packaging
[05:53] <aCilnv> hi guys , any of you know whether netgear usb wifi adapter : WG111T works under ubuntu with ndiswrapper ? i got the driver loaded but the wlan0 device don't show up .. any ideas ?? plz
[05:53] <ubuntu-itis> thoreauputic: no probs. My current main dilema is getting Lmule to stop crashing. Hehehe...
[05:53] <Anubis> http://blog.andrew.net.au/2005/04/03#my_future
[05:53] <Extreme> hey lads, how to change the mouse in the X configuration? Which command?
[05:54] <libben> should i add this to my xorg.conf... even if i have nvidia-glx installed and nvidia-settings ?
[05:54] <thoreauputic> Extreme: just plugging in an USB mouse should work immediately
[05:54] <libben>  Option          "RenderAccel"           "true"
[05:54] <libben>         Option          "NvAGP"                 "1"
[05:54] <thoreauputic> Extreme: if not, something's wrong with your system
[05:54] <linuzo> anyone know what software to use for webcam??????????
[05:54] <Dreamer3> linuzo: gnome-meeting?
[05:55] <Dreamer3> anyone using nvidia dual-head?
[05:55] <ubuntu-itis> linuzo, Try camserv
[05:55] <Extreme> thoreauputic: if i plug the mouse it doesn t work, there is still the old PS2 loaded
[05:55] <Extreme> :|
[05:55] <ubuntu-itis> Dreamer3: soon as I work out how to install latest NVIDIA driver.  :)
[05:55] <linuzo> ubuntu-itis, can I install that with apt-get or should I build it?
[05:56] <Quinn_Storm> the usb would work if your x configuration is pointed to /dev/input/mice
[05:56] <libben> what is nautilus burn:/// i mean... i hear ppl ask about how to burn dvd's and cd's... and then there is a installed cd-dvd burner program
[05:56] <thoreauputic> Extreme: I can plug a USB mouse in while the ps2 mouse is working, and both work fine
[05:56] <ubuntu-itis> linuzo, apt-get.  Do an apt-cache search webcam to see what you can use.
[05:56] <Dreamer3> ubuntu-itis: i'm going to transplant the MX440 dual-head from my old server when i get my uncles PC setup
[05:56] <linuzo> ubuntu-itis, thanks
[05:56] <Dreamer3> ubuntu-itis: then i'll just need to find the displays
[05:57] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: Arggh! The mx440 sucked
[05:57] <thoreauputic> Extreme: something is wrong with your Ubuntu if that doesn't work
[05:57] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: i have one with DDR, it's not so bad :)
[05:57] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: and dual-head :)
[05:57] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: besides, i don't play games
[05:58] <thoreauputic> Extreme: I just this minute plugged a USN mouse in to check
[05:58] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: I'm jaded. I ran one for a few years, and I SWEAR the GF2 ran faster
[05:58] <thoreauputic> *USB
[05:58] <ubuntu-itis> Dreamer3: there is a Ximerama howto somewhere in /usr/share. Dig there as a starting point otherwise look at he NVIDIA readme off the nvidia web site for the linux IA32 driver.
[05:58] <Freezer|> I am asked to "Use kernel framebuffer device interface"? I am not sure what I should select. I just want to get more speed with the fglrx-driver :-)
[05:58] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: shrugs
[05:58] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: i never had a GF2 :)
[05:58] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: my alptops savage is great for 2d, i'm sure my mx440 is way faster :)
[05:59] <ska-fan> Freezer|: no
[05:59] <Freezer|> ok
[05:59] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: *ahem* You're right, you DON'T play games
[05:59] <t3h_j4n> Dreamer3: :)
[05:59] <Dreamer3> t3h_j4n: i think 400fpx glxgears with me savage (DRI) is great
[05:59] <ska-fan> ubuntu yet has a good way to go to be as good as fedora
[06:00] <Dreamer3> ska-fan: how so?
[06:00] <Kamakazie> What do i need to add to a CD to make it bootable, if its a dos program like Windows Setup?
[06:00] <Dreamer3> ska-fan: i switched from debian testing and find ubuntu (even warty) great
[06:00] <ubuntu-itis> t3h_j4n: I gave up and went for FX5200, then learnt better and switched to FX5900XT   :)
[06:00] <LinuxJones> ubuntu-itis, I have a FX5200 and it sucks :P
[06:01] <t3h_j4n> ubuntu-itis: Lol. I switched over to ATi cause of HL2, now I run an X700
[06:01] <ubuntu-itis> Dreamer3: Ubuntu has made me a debian fan. ( Finally )
[06:01] <k-s> hello, does someone runs mldonkey-server from ubuntu? It doesn't work here
[06:01] <solidape> how do install something from a *.deb file?
[06:01] <Dreamer3> ubuntu-itis: i've always been a debian fan :)
[06:01] <Tomcat_> Dreamer3: sudo dpkg -i bleh.deb
[06:01] <ska-fan> Dreamer3: I switched from Fedora Core 3. At first I was grateful that muine was readily available. Now it crashes.
[06:01] <Dreamer3> ubuntu-itis: but i liked the idea of more polish, newer apps, not having to get updates every day (testing) to stay up to date, etc
[06:01] <k-s> it starts, but isn't' working as expected... I telnet to it @ 4001, but it dies... kmldonkey cannot connect...
[06:01] <ubuntu-itis> LinuxJones: Thats why I wen FX5900XT  :)
[06:01] <thoreauputic> ubuntu-itis: re: packaging - vlc is in universe - I suggest if you want to contribute a package you ask in #ubuntu-motu  (Masters of the Universe )  ;)
[06:01] <Dreamer3> ska-fan: rebuild it?
[06:02] <DeMi> wole!
[06:02] <Kamakazie> Anyone plz help me
[06:02] <Quinn_Storm> odd, the vlc I have from (I think) universe is 0.8.1
[06:02] <Dreamer3> ska-fan: not every single package can be packged the same between distros :)
[06:02] <ubuntu-itis> thoreauputic: sweet.  :)
[06:02] <ska-fan> Dreamer3: Then I read about Xinerama a few lines above. Fedora has a simple tool for that. It has a checkbox "Enable second monitor" and that's it.
[06:02] <ska-fan> No questions about whether I want to use the kernel framebuffer device.
[06:02] <Dreamer3> ska-fan: i'm not a big fan of simple tools :)
[06:02] <Dreamer3> ska-fan: but i understand why most people are
[06:02] <ska-fan> I am.
[06:03] <t3h_j4n> BAH! Windows 98 IS SO SLOW!
[06:03] <ska-fan> I just want that damn machine to work, that's all.
[06:03] <Dreamer3> ska-fan: i quit using redhat years ago because while simple tools were great when something broke (And it often did) simple tools didn't fix it
[06:03] <ubuntu-itis> Quinn_Storm, I'm running warty. vlc - 0.7.2
[06:03] <ska-fan> Fedora has worked for me.
[06:03] <LinuxJones> ska-fan, Ubuntu is only like 6 months old RedHat's been around for a long time :)
[06:03] <Dreamer3> ska-fan: i setup a config file once with debian and it never breaks, so i'm sold
[06:03] <Dreamer3> ska-fan: if it works, keep using it :)
[06:03] <Quinn_Storm> ubuntu-itis: ah, there's your problem...if you want newer software run the newer release (hoary)
[06:03] <Kamakazie> So I have all the files for a windows CD on a disk, but its not an ISO, how how Do i make it boot?
[06:03] <Kamakazie> anyone plz
[06:04] <john> bonjour
[06:04] <ska-fan> Kamakazie: #windows-cracks
[06:04] <Dreamer3> ok
[06:04] <ubuntu-itis> Quinn_Storm, What apt-sources changes do I make so I can do an apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[06:04] <t3h_j4n> john: that's a keeper: john says: "bonjour:
[06:04] <john> je m'apprte  partir dans un install de la ubuntu 64 dans quelques min
[06:04] <Dreamer3> cron launches my getmail script, but it uses two shells, can i make it one?
[06:04] <t3h_j4n> john: er... yes
[06:05] <john> oups it's in english
[06:05] <t3h_j4n> john: rofl
[06:05] <Quinn_Storm> ubuntu-itis: just change warty to hoary
[06:05] <Dreamer3> it has sh ~/bin/getmail to invoke the script then i see /bin/bash ~/bin/getmail as well
[06:05] <Dreamer3> it really only needs one termainl
[06:05] <ubuntu-itis> Oh, and how do I tell what version of app is installed with apt ?
[06:06] <thoreauputic> ubuntu-itis: apt-cache policy <package>
[06:06] <Kamakazie> haha ska-fan thats not a real chan and even if it was there gunna be using windows
[06:06] <ska-fan> Kamakazie: Really?
[06:07] <FreezerX> Yeah, the fglrx driver is much better
[06:07] <Dreamer3> ok
[06:07] <Kamakazie> how can i make a cdrom boot under dos?
[06:07] <Dreamer3> i need to spend some quality time with my kitty, then shower, then work :) i'll be back later :)
[06:07] <Dreamer3> *Smiels*
[06:07] <Dreamer3> bye bye
[06:07] <Dreamer3> AFK
[06:07] <ubuntu-itis> thoreauputic, thanks.
[06:08] <Kamakazie> Can anyone plz help me
[06:08] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: we've told you : el torito ( in fact you were told some time ago)
[06:08] <thoreauputic> and you don't need dos to make it bootable
[06:09] <libben> I need a name for a ftp client that use SSL and a GUI =)
[06:09] <libben> anything to recomend?
[06:09] <randabis> hmm, the 2.6.11 kernel packages seem pretty solid so far
[06:09] <Quinn_Storm> libben: can't you just type sftp:/whatever into nautilus?
[06:09] <Infie> bleh. can't get non gnome applications to see my sound
[06:09] <thoreauputic> libben: I believe gftp will use sftp
[06:11] <Infie> gftp can use sftp
[06:11] <Infie> but it can be a pain getting it to do so sometimes
[06:11] <libben> Connected to fnutt.org:1239
[06:12] <libben> 220 FTP server ready.
[06:12] <libben> USER libben
[06:12] <libben> 504 TLS/SSL is mandatory.
[06:12] <libben> Disconnecting from site fnutt.org
[06:12] <libben> grrr
[06:12] <libben>  =)
[06:12] <libben> shit... gotta run
[06:12] <paulproteus> SFTP and "FTP with SSL" are very different things.
[06:12] <paulproteus> SFTP is over SSH.
[06:12] <ubuntu-itis> Nite ppl and thanks heaps.
[06:12] <Quinn_Storm> well then ftp via ssl would be ftps?
[06:13] <Xappe> so, they've fixed the bug with volumes mounted in /media not showing up on the desktop/places menu? they suddenly appeared today when I booted my computer
[06:13] <libben> PM me about clients that works with ssl
[06:13] <Myrtti> Quinn_Storm: sftp
[06:14] <Myrtti> no, sorry
[06:14] <Infie> what package contains mp3 decoder?
[06:14] <karim> Cannot launch icon
[06:14] <karim> Details: Failed to fork (Cannot allocate memory)
[06:14] <linuzo> anyone have vicam working on ubuntu?
[06:14] <karim> I got that error when I try to run an app
[06:15] <karim> it works from command line however
[06:16] <etzerd> how are you doing guys
[06:16] <abelli> ciao there
[06:16] <etzerd> I install ubuntu this morning trust me I like what I see
[06:16] <abelli> ciao there
[06:16] <etzerd> one problem I have
[06:16] <etzerd> I  cannot play DVD
[06:17] <abelli> is there any burning app that lets you create mixed mode cds?
[06:17] <etzerd> I do not know how to install  win32-codecs and libddss if anyone can help me I will be very apprecaite
[06:17] <Quinn_Storm> etzerd: they are both in the marillat repository I think...I know I have them from somewhere...
[06:17] <abelli> etzerd: system -> admnistration -> synaptic package manager
[06:18] <Xappe> etzerd: have you tried using VLC? it's a nice media app
[06:18] <linuzo> etzerd, sudo apt-get install win32-codecs
[06:18] <Quinn_Storm> my dad actually likes vlc for windows
[06:19] <Xappe> Quinn_Storm: well, you get rid of the windows codec hell by using VLC. And it IS an excellent media player
[06:19] <Kamakazie> CAn anyone please help me, i want to make a bootable cd that can start windows setup from dadta on the same disk
[06:20] <thoreauputic> etzerd: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats  and http://ubuntuguide.org
[06:20] <thoreauputic> linuzo: that's w32codecs, and you need the restricted repos
[06:21] <linuzo> thoreauputic, yeah well then he should read the forums..
[06:21] <ska-fan> How do I change the mouse cursor size under X?
[06:22] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: have you tried any of the suggestions we've made? have you googled for them? Have you visited the morphix site? Have you done anything except repeat your plea?
[06:22] <Kamakazie> thoreauputic, I have been googling, no one has suggested anything
[06:23] <PacoBCN> hi guys, do you know about some good dns servers I can use for free? the onces give by my isp are too slow
[06:23] <paulproteus> PacoBCN: Yes.
[06:23] <paulproteus> 128.151.2.1
[06:23] <Infie> When ubuntu starts up, esd is obviously started- which is ok
[06:23] <paulproteus> That's from the University of Rochester.
[06:23] <paulproteus> PacoBCN: 128.220.13.50
[06:23] <PacoBCN> paulproteus, thanks, dude
[06:23] <paulproteus> That's from the Johns Hopkins University.
[06:23] <Infie> But some applications do not use esd, and thus cannot get to the soundcard
[06:23] <Kamakazie> I have the files and I have an ISO, the ISO is bootable, but i need to add the other files to the ISO so i can boot the cd and access the dos apps fro the same cd
[06:23] <paulproteus> Two should be enough.
[06:23] <Infie> because esd has it
[06:24] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: 19 el torito 2) morphix 3) nautilus burner ... I'm sure I've missed a few
[06:24] <PacoBCN> I love this channel :)
[06:24] <hybrid> <3
[06:24] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: you were also told how to mount an ISO file
[06:24] <PacoBCN> paulproteus, I can already see the difference, thanks
[06:24] <Kamakazie> thoreauputic, none of those can help me, Morphix is a live linux cd, htf can that help in anyway?
[06:24] <paulproteus> My pleasure.
[06:25] <Kamakazie> I can open the ISO just fine in Archive Manager
[06:25] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: it can help because the docs tell you how to make abootable CD, ffs
[06:25] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: use some brain power, please
[06:25] <Kamakazie> it needs to be more than bootable, it needs to be able to run a windows installer
[06:25] <LinuxJones> lol
[06:26] <Kamakazie> thoreauputic, you dont understand the problem
[06:26] <LinuxJones> Kamakazie, ask in a Microsoft help channel dude or check google
[06:26] <Myrtti> well then you need the windows install cd
[06:26] <Kamakazie> OMG
[06:26] <Kamakazie> I have the windows install CD
[06:26] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: you haven't articulated the problem correctly then
[06:26] <Kamakazie> like I said
[06:26] <Kamakazie> thoreauputic, its hard to explain
[06:27] <Myrtti> well, its hard to help
[06:27] <Kamakazie> I have a folder, inside it has all the files on a windows XP disk, but i dunno how to make the files into a bootable CD
[06:28] <kain> Kamakazie, is that an ubuntu topic?
[06:28] <Kamakazie> Yes
[06:28] <LinuxJones> Kamakazie, why do you have all the files in a directory. Just use the XP disk that you purchased !
[06:28] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: which is why I suggested you look for info on remastering bootable CDs, and find out about el torito
[06:28] <Kamakazie> Cause i need to do it in Ubuntu
[06:29] <Kamakazie> I looked at el torito, its not for that
[06:29] <kain> in windows you need a couple of utilities, in ubuntu I think you must use makeisofs with some particular flag
[06:29] <kain> dunno them for windows
[06:29] <Kamakazie> that doesnt help
[06:29] <thoreauputic> kain: he was told about mkisofs about an hour ago...
[06:29] <Kamakazie> Im not in windows
[06:29] <Kamakazie> No I wasnt
[06:30] <kain> well ok
[06:30] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: the logs say you were
[06:30] <Kamakazie> Why use mkisofs when i can use a front end like k3b?
[06:30] <Kamakazie> no they don't
[06:30] <t3h_j4n> does anyone know a good site for some introductory stuff to linux?
[06:30] <LinuxJones> t3h_j4n, www.tldp.org
[06:30] <Kamakazie> Cause I allready know about it, thats not where im confused, im confused in making the damn ISO bootable and able to run a dos exe
[06:31] <thoreauputic> t3h_j4n: depends.. for cli  tuxfiles.org is good
[06:31] <ska-fan> Kamakazie: you can run a dos exe with dosbox
[06:31] <LinuxJones> t3h_j4n, have fun there is several hundreds of hours of reading there :)
[06:31] <t3h_j4n> thanks lots
[06:31] <t3h_j4n> Lol!
[06:31] <Kamakazie> ska-fan, how?
[06:31] <Extreme> If  Option          "Device"                "/dev/input/mice" is written on /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 it means the USB mouse should work even with the Ps2 plugged in ?
[06:31] <LinuxJones> t3h_j4n, for Ubuntu related stuff www.ubuntuguide.org answere alot of common questions
[06:31] <jordanau> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/
[06:31] <Kamakazie> Im talking about a windows installer
[06:31] <jordanau> ahh i was late
[06:32] <t3h_j4n> The Linux Documentation Project? Someone has their work cut out for them!
[06:32] <t3h_j4n> thanks jordanau, that might cut down on some of my searching time
[06:32] <t3h_j4n> :)
[06:32] <Kamakazie> there must be some way to make thios folder into a working windows XP boot cd
[06:32] <jordanau> t3h_j4n, take the time to read that and it will help you a ton, i read most of it the night before i installed ubuntu
[06:33] <t3h_j4n> yay! that's exactly the kind of help I'm looking for
[06:33] <kain> mkisofs -A "Windows XP SP2" -D -N -J -b XPBOOT.BIN -c XPBOOT.CAT -no-emul-boot -o xpsp2.iso xpsp2
[06:33] <kain> well, maybe it can work, or not
[06:33] <kain> before cp -p XPBOOT.BIN xpsp2
[06:33] <jordanau> t3h_j4n, then you understand all of the things you are doing when configuring and you can actually learn from it as opposed to copy and pasting commands into bash
[06:34] <kain> I've found something here
[06:34] <kain> http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:anxuyvhg_hQJ:www.bsddiary.net/d/200408.html+bootable+windows+iso+mkisofs&hl=it&client=firefox
[06:34] <kain> japanese Kamakazie
[06:34] <kain> but commands are there
[06:34] <t3h_j4n> jordanau: *nods*, yeah, if you do that, you just feel like a newb
[06:34] <LinuxJones> Kamakazie, just buy a copy of windows XP if you want to run it dude
[06:35] <t3h_j4n> jordanau: I AM a newb (to linux anyway) but I don't want to feel like one :)
[06:35] <Kamakazie> \that would be helpful if i was running windows
[06:35] <thoreauputic> LinuxJones: he's doing some kind of corporatised disc
[06:35] <abelli> sorry ppl is there any gui-drivern application (in ubuntu repos) that lets you burn mixed mode ?
[06:36] <ska-fan> Kamakazie: http://ska-fan.homelinux.org/~twanger/dosbox.png
[06:36] <PecK> Does anyone know about free/feed mp3 hosting for webcasting?
[06:36] <LinuxJones> thoreauputic, I'm sure he is :)
[06:36] <Kamakazie> LinuxJones, I have allready said this numerous times, I did BUY it, please pay attention to what is actually going on before gracing us with your vast knowlage
[06:36] <PecK> instead of using a flash player, use server tools
[06:37] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: your sarcasm is misplaced and inappropriate
[06:37] <Kamakazie> go away
[06:37] <Kamakazie> Dont wanna help then dont
[06:37] <Kamakazie> ignore
[06:37] <LinuxJones> Kamakazie, wtf would you mess about with building your own .iso if you have the disk already....I missed that part
[06:37] <blueyed> Is anyone aware of powernow-k8? I get errors in dmesg.. (transitions frequency failed)..
[06:37] <Kamakazie> I allready said
[06:37] <Extreme> If  Option          "Device"                "/dev/input/mice" is written on /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 it means the USB mouse should work even with the Ps2 plugged in ?
[06:38] <Kamakazie> the disk is scratched beyond repair, i made a copy a while back, but i didnt copy right and now i just ended up with the files
[06:38] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: it may have escaped your attention that not everyone has seen your posts, and that some people have arrived after you
[06:38] <Kamakazie> dude stop talking to me
[06:38] <Kamakazie> Now
[06:38] <ska-fan> kids, please.
[06:39] <bassMonkey> do i need to do anything else than "modprobe bt878" to get my tvcard working (pctv pro)? I'm asking because it doesn't... (/dev/video0 doesn't exist) =/
[06:39] <bassMonkey> 0000:00:0a.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11)
[06:39] <bassMonkey> 0000:00:0a.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11)
[06:39] <whiteknight> Kamakazie, perhaps this might help http://newdos.yginfo.net/msdos71/
[06:39] <LinuxJones> Kamakazie, please leave the irc channel or stop being so rude
[06:39] <Kamakazie> LinuxJones, Now can ya help me out here? I just need to know how I can add something to the dir to make it work and use k3b to make it boot
[06:39] <kain> Kamakazie, pick up your phone and call microsoft to resolve your problem, stop complaining here then, it's a windows problem, not ubuntu problem. people here are trying to help you anyway.
[06:40] <whiteknight> Kamakazie, if you boot dos then swap cds, you'll be able to run the installer
[06:40] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/
[06:40] <hybrid> LinuxJones: slash ignore
[06:40] <Kamakazie> whiteknight, thx ill try that
[06:40] <bassMonkey> help?
[06:40] <Kamakazie> thoreauputic, last warning do not use my name again
[06:40] <kain> otherwise?
[06:40] <ska-fan> bassMonkey: modprobe v4l maybe
[06:41] <thoreauputic> Kamakazie: I'll do as I please - ignore me if it bothers you
[06:41] <ska-fan> or videodev
[06:41] <Kamakazie> kain, im running ubuntu my problem is that i dont know how to remaster an ISO in Ubuntu, that is not a windows problem
[06:41] <memnoc> heya.. first time ubuntu user here.. excellent work people, outstanding distro
[06:41] <Kamakazie> fine have it your way kid
[06:41] <kain> Kamakazie, the problem is not ubuntu related, you can have this problem even in yggdrasil
[06:41] <LinuxJones> Kamakazie, don't threaten people here or you will get a ban
[06:42] <bassMonkey> noup, still nothing...
[06:42] <thoreauputic> some people don't understand how open source communities work...
[06:42] <Kamakazie> damn troll
[06:42] <kain> and will never do
[06:42] <Alex|Lappy> Hey thoreauputic
[06:42] <hybrid> thorauputic: open source is a strange concept
[06:42] <thoreauputic> Alex|Lappy: hi :)
[06:42] <LinuxJones> thoreauputic, especially when it not an Ubuntu issue :)
[06:42] <memnoc> i have a question.. i'm not that knowledgeable in recent linux distros so i have a fairly poor understanding of apt-get and such, but i wanted to change my installed applications dir to another partition.. how can i do this?
[06:42] <hybrid> creating software for free?
[06:43] <kain> if you have a problem with windows cd, go crying at microsoft, not here because you have those damn windows files on an ubuntu machine
[06:43] <ska-fan> memnoc: got space problems?
[06:43] <kain> and stop being so rude.
[06:44] <memnoc> i'm using Synaptic and updated Ubuntu.. @ska-fan: yea, basically.. i just want to transfer all installed apps to another partition..
[06:45] <deFrysk> memnoc, why the transfer ?
[06:45] <deFrysk> oh space probs
[06:45] <deFrysk> sorry
[06:45] <memnoc> space issues, yea.. is this even possible?
[06:45] <xoxoxo> hello. i run hoary, but in text console only. now i want to install X. pls tell me which packages do i need?
[06:45] <thoreauputic> heh - Kamakazie is ctcp ing - how droll
[06:45] <Quinn_Storm> xoxoxo: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop
[06:46] <kain> thoreauputic, rofl
[06:46] <deFrysk> xoxoxo, or both
[06:46] <t3h_j4n> this is just sad
[06:46] <xoxoxo> Quinn_Storm, wow... ubuntu-desktop asked me to install a lots !!!
[06:46] <Quinn_Storm> xoxoxo: well you want a full desktop right?
[06:47] <EvilIdler> memnoc: Space issues can happen - after having a system eating my 3GB /usr, I readjusted to 15GB. That should last me a few days :)
[06:47] <xoxoxo> but what if i dont want gnome, but only X and some lightweight WM, like fluxbox? any better/faster way to install?
[06:47] <hybrid> cant he use flux or matchbox?
[06:47] <jordanau> t3h_j4n, what is sad?
[06:48] <EvilIdler> xoxoxo: Just get the desktop manager you want, and the related packages for a lightweight window manager
[06:48] <memnoc> hehe well thing is i have ubuntu running on a 3GB HD and just want that for the system exclusivelly.. everything else like programs and my own configs should go on a separate 50GB partition on another HD..
[06:49] <EvilIdler> memnoc: A tip for saving space: link /var/cache/apt/archives to where you have space. That's where packages are downloaded, and it fills up fast during a large upgrade
[06:49] <EvilIdler> memnoc: Perhaps even having a separate /var partition is an idea ;)
[06:50] <nullset> im running warty... id like to goto hoary since its almost done... after hoary is released it will update automatically right?
[06:50] <hybrid> nullset i dont think so
[06:50] <webtoe> Surely you can just set your fstab to mount the /var (or /usr if youo want) directories onto separate hard drives/partitions
[06:51] <nullset> hybrid, hmm ... isnt that the point of debian/ubuntu?
[06:51] <xoxoxo> hmm i have same question. if i upgrade from ubuntu to hoary (using apt-get upgrade), do i lose anything comparing with hoary-fresh-install?
[06:51] <hybrid> nullset what?the point of ubuntu is linux 4 everyone
[06:51] <EvilIdler> nullset: If the base install was Warty, then changing the repository should give you Hoary. Theoretically :)(
[06:51] <xoxoxo> i guess smt will be missing, rite?
[06:51] <vanguardist> heh
[06:52] <memnoc> @EvilIdler: how do i go about doing that (linking /var/cache/apt/archives)?
[06:52] <tombs> hi ppl
[06:52] <EvilIdler> xoxoxo: I think your system might still call itself "Warty version something something" rather than Hoary. At least it did for me when I tried that route
[06:52] <nullset> Whoops... I mean... after I change my repository and do apt-get dist-upgrade so im at release candidate... after hoary is actually released it will update to that next time i do apt-get upgrade right?
[06:52] <hybrid> helloo
[06:52] <hybrid> yea
[06:52] <memnoc> hellooooo la la la hehe
[06:52] <xoxoxo> EvilIdler, i think so. so it is better to install fresh from hoary.
[06:53] <hybrid> you change ur repos then aot-get update then apt-get distupgrade
[06:53] <xoxoxo> i expect this question will be asked many times once hoary out
[06:53] <EvilIdler> memnoc: "mv /var /wherever", "ln -s /wherever/var /"
[06:53] <xoxoxo> hybrid, yes but i guess still smt is missing
[06:53] <hybrid> then after u apt update from there on out it will be strictly hoary
[06:53] <EvilIdler> memnoc: Not 100% sure how mv will treat permissions, but it has worked for me. YMMV etc.
[06:53] <hybrid> xoxoxo : smt?
[06:53] <xoxoxo> btw exactly when hoary out?
[06:54] <xoxoxo> hybrid, i dont know, just guess
[06:54] <EvilIdler> xoxoxo: Soon, possibly
[06:54] <hybrid> xoxoxo: friday
[06:54] <xoxoxo> this weekend ubuntu people would open party ;)
[06:55] <hybrid> lol
[06:55] <hybrid> xoxoxo: this has been a good weekend for ubuntites
[06:55] <xoxoxo> yes, no doubt
[06:56] <hybrid> you know you re a good distro when you beat your mother distro on distrowatch :P you know youre great when you knock mandrake to #2
[06:56] <hybrid> wo0t wo0t
[06:57] <zenrox> lol
[06:57] <alceste> hi
[06:57] <memnoc> EvilIdler: that's just for moving the existing packages, but how do i change it permanently for future upgrades?
[06:57] <hybrid> hello
[06:58] <EvilIdler> memnoc: Moving /var and linking it to the old spot is a one-time operation. /var is more than the apt repository
[06:58] <stpere> hey there
[06:58] <EvilIdler> memnoc: All program logs go there
[06:59] <memnoc> yes, so i should just create a separate /var partition then?
[07:00] <EvilIdler> memnoc: You could do that, but making it a directory linked from your roomy 50GB partition might be better if you're unsure how your space requirements will be
[07:00] <memnoc> that could be the best choice then.. how can i link it permanently to a dir on the 50GB partition?
[07:01] <EvilIdler> memnoc: "mv /var /bigfreakingpartition", "ln -s /bigfreakingpartition/var /"
[07:01] <maxchee> anyone use latex here?
[07:01] <memnoc> hhmm i'll try it out then thanks
[07:01] <BBB> mako, ping
[07:02] <AstralJava> maxchee: A bit, yeah.
[07:02] <hybrid> anyone know a list of good repoes for ppc?
[07:02] <AstralJava> Nothing complex yet, though.
[07:03] <maxchee> AstralJava: any recommendation for a gtk ide for latex?
[07:04] <EvilIdler> maxchee: You could try LyX or KLyX
[07:04] <nubbe> I got a P4, should I stick with linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 or should I try ...10-5-686? Any thoughts?
[07:04] <maxchee> I would prefer if it's just an IDE, instead of a WYSIWYG editor
[07:05] <EvilIdler> maxchee: It's a WYSIWYM editor (what you see is what you mean), and does math
[07:05] <maxchee> With syntax highlighting and tools within one click's reach
[07:05] <LinuxJones> nubbe, you probably won't notice much difference
[07:05] <klarkin> nubbe you can use the 386 and intall 686 and test them out
[07:05] <webtoe> nubbe: only some programs will use the extra instructions from i686
[07:05] <webtoe> notably mplayer
[07:05] <hybrid> EvilIdler what is WYSIWYM? what you see is what you...
[07:05] <klarkin> yep
[07:05] <maxchee> EvilIdler: Well, it's just that with a WYSIWYM editor, you lost one appeal of latex: content/formatting separation
[07:06] <grohk> How do I change my gdm login theme?  the ubuntu people theme removed the option to configure the themes.
[07:06] <maxchee> hybrid: mean
[07:06] <thoreauputic> hybrid:  "mean"
[07:06] <hybrid> oo
[07:06] <AstralJava> maxchee: Sorry, I've just used a simple text editor, can't help you there.
[07:06] <nubbe> oki, so there are no big stability ptobs then, maybe I'll try, thanks
[07:06] <EvilIdler> webtoe: The kernel shouldn't affect what instructions MPlayer uses, should it?
[07:07] <klarkin> just use custom mplayer
[07:07] <webtoe> no
[07:08] <klarkin> why
[07:08] <klarkin> i always use and it works fine
[07:08] <webtoe> evilIdler: sorry thought he would be using i686 stuff as well
[07:08] <noname> hi!
[07:08] <webtoe> bit used to compiling everything from source...
[07:08] <webtoe> opps
[07:08] <hybrid> hello
[07:09] <webtoe> i'll pay more attention to what people are saying next time
[07:09] <noname> anybody knows if Creative Muvo V200  is compatible with ubuntu?
[07:09] <alceste> hmm... i'm experiencing a kernel panic (caused by gam_server) on two machines that i've just dist-upgraded from Debian Sid to Ubuntu
[07:09] <alceste> the problem is like <https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6849>, but i'm experiencing it with the latest 2.6.11-1-k7 and 2.6.11-1-686 linux images
[07:10] <alceste> am i the only one? :-)
[07:11] <alceste> and since i'm using two somewhat hybrid systems, should i report the bug on the Ubunt bugzilla?
[07:11] <Albacker> checking for GLIB - version >= 2.4.5... no
[07:11] <Albacker> *** Could not run GLIB test program, checking why...
[07:11] <Albacker> *** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the
[07:11] <Albacker> *** exact error that occured. This usually means GLIB is incorrectly installed.
[07:11] <Albacker> configure: error: Test for GLIB failed. See the file 'INSTALL' for help.
[07:11] <klarkin> why dosn't ubuntu come with alsaconf
[07:11] <Albacker> Hey,which package do I need ?
[07:11] <Albacker> I installed the libglib
[07:12] <EvilIdler> alceste: You should do a clean install on one system first. The hybrid-upgrade will leave some old packages from the Debian system
[07:13] <Albacker> ?
[07:13] <EvilIdler> Albacker: apt-get install libglib2.0-dev
[07:13] <alceste> EvilIdler: yeah, i know, but i was wondering whether it could be important for a kernel-related bug report
[07:13] <Albacker> EvilIdler, Thanks
[07:14] <EvilIdler> alceste: I've tried some hybrid upgrades myself these past few days, and they've just not gone well. Can't really tell if it's kernel or other that's the problem with those :/
[07:14] <dabeej> anyone, anyone have any idea how to get quicktime movies working in my browser, anyone
[07:15] <dabeej> mozplugger didn't work, i said could not find a plugin for it which i don't understand why not
[07:15] <alceste> EvilIdler: if i just pass the "noinotify" option to the kernel, i have 2 hybrid upgrades gone well :-)
[07:16] <EvilIdler> alceste: Lucky you :)
[07:17] <alceste> EvilIdler: (hmmm... well, 3 hybrid upgrades gone well, counting one that still uses a plain Debian kernel)
[07:18] <hybrid> where is a good place to d/l .deb packackages besides apt and synaptic?
[07:19] <Albacker> EvilIdler,  checking for GTK+ - version >= 2.4.4... no
[07:19] <Albacker> *** Could not run GTK+ test program, checking why...
[07:19] <Albacker> 
[07:19] <Albacker> EvilIdler, what to do now ?
[07:19] <swazo> congrats beating mandrake on distrowatch
[07:20] <apokryphos> swazo: nice, but it means nothing ;-)
[07:20] <EvilIdler> Albacker: Same procedure. You need -dev packages to do development/compilation
[07:20] <Albacker> EvilIdler, thanks
[07:20] <EvilIdler> Albacker: Prolly something like libgtk2.0-dev
[07:21] <Arnia> Anyone else had issues with python-nautilus in Hoary?
[07:27] <knucks> ok so heres my question
[07:28] <knucks> is there a way i can reinstall ubuntu yet keep the 10gb of files i NEED?
[07:28] <Zugot> if i have an amd64, and i want to run a 32bit linux, what arch should i chose?   k7 or 686?
[07:28] <Zugot> er choose
[07:28] <Marble2> knucks: different partitions?
[07:28] <knucks> ugh i have bad luck with partitions
[07:28] <EvilIdler> knucks: If you have put your important files in /home, simply don't format it
[07:28] <lok> Zugot, you want to run in 32bit or run one progs in 32bits ?
[07:29] <EvilIdler> knucks: Pen and paper to the rescue :)
[07:29] <knucks> EvilIdler - how do i do that?
[07:29] <knucks> right now everything I NEEd is in home
[07:29] <Marble2> back it up to a different partition or drive
[07:29] <whiteknight> knucks, is /home a seperate partion?
[07:30] <johso> hiya peeps
[07:30] <knucks> i dont know?
[07:30] <knucks> how do i check
[07:30] <EvilIdler> knucks: If /home is a separate partition, like it should, you're fine with just reinstalling and NOT formatting. The installer is hard to do anything wrong in, if you read carefully.
[07:30] <whiteknight> knucks, look in /etc/fstab
[07:30] <EvilIdler> knucks: The command "df" should tell you what you have, or /etc/fstab
[07:30] <johso> got a laptop here, but I don't think the soundcard is configured right - if I play music I can't hear my Gaim sounds, for example...
[07:30] <Zugot> lok: i want to run x86 linux
[07:30] <Zugot> so should i use k7?
[07:31] <EvilIdler> Zugot: If there's no K8 32-bit, pick K7
[07:31] <Zugot> ah thanks
[07:31] <EvilIdler> Zugot: Provided you actually have an AMD ;)
[07:31] <knucks> Filesystem           1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
[07:31] <knucks> /dev/hdc1            153345060  18617836 126937712  13% /
[07:31] <knucks> tmpfs                   258248         0    258248   0% /dev/shm
[07:31] <knucks> /dev                 153345060  18617836 126937712  13% /.dev
[07:31] <knucks> none                      5120      2888      2232  57% /dev
[07:31] <Zugot> i just removed the 586 mplayer and got installed the k7 one
[07:31] <Zugot> much much much better
[07:31] <EvilIdler> knucks: Looks like partitions are a foreign concept on that system ;)
[07:31] <Zugot> i can't install amd64 ubuntu yet
[07:31] <Zugot> my vpn software doesn't work with it
[07:31] <whiteknight> knucks, you've got everything on one partion
[07:32] <knucks> yeah
[07:32] <EvilIdler> Zugot: Proprietary or something with actual source available?
[07:32] <Marble2> knucks: get some dvd-r's
[07:32] <Zugot> EvilIdler: something with source available... vpnc
[07:32] <knucks> Marble2: yeah i got some..i was hoping it wouldnt have to come to that\
[07:32] <whiteknight> knucks, unless you have a 10gb of spare disk space on another partion
[07:33] <knucks> well..
[07:33] <knucks> hm
[07:33] <knucks> i can make a partition
[07:33] <EvilIdler> knucks: It's a good thing, though; you'll now do a backup to semi-permanent media, which is one backup more than most do ;)
[07:33] <knucks> ive got about 120gb free
[07:33] <RanXiaodong> Hi ,all ,I need some help,but I have a poor English.Who can help me?
[07:34] <whiteknight> RanXiaodong, what is your problem?
[07:34] <dockane> RanXiaodong, i'll try. just ask
[07:34] <apokryphos> RanXiaodong: language?
[07:34] <Dreamer3> ok, i undock my laptop, bring it to work and dock it... and ubuntu still things it's running on battery?
[07:34] <RanXiaodong> zh_CN
[07:34] <dockane> Dreamer3, what laptop is it ?
[07:34] <Dreamer3> dockane: ibm thinkpad t22?
[07:35] <warty> hey!
[07:35] <RanXiaodong> yesterday ,I install xfce4.2 ,but i don't use Right-click
[07:35] <warty> does someone knows about kde problem playing mp3s???
[07:35] <dockane> dockane, i am running ubuntu on a t21
[07:35] <warty> mp3s and kde!
[07:35] <warty> help!!!
[07:35] <warty> hey!
[07:35] <warty> someone!
[07:35] <warty> !ping
[07:35] <RanXiaodong> and run xfdesktop
[07:35] <dockane> Dreamer3, i am running hoary on a t21
[07:35] <warty_> hey you
[07:35] <Dreamer3> dockane: hmmmmmmm
[07:36] <Dreamer3> dockane: i have hoary as well
[07:36] <RanXiaodong> output ** (xfdesktop:8580): CRITICAL **: XfceDesktopMenu init failed (The XfceDesktopMenu module could not be loaded: /usr/lib/xfce4/modules/xfce4_desktop_menu.so: undefined symbol: quit)
[07:36] <Dreamer3> dockane: i didn't suspend it or anything, i just carry it to work, becaues suspend resume has never worked right with linux, so i don't try it anymore
[07:36] <warty> hey!
[07:36] <warty> someone!, help!!!
[07:36] <RanXiaodong> ** (xfdesktop:8580): WARNING **: xfdesktop: Unable to initialise menu module. Right-click menu will be unavailable.
[07:36] <warty> linux!, help!
[07:36] <apokryphos> warty: please stop flooding the channel
[07:36] <apokryphos> warty: post your question and we'll see if someone can
[07:36] <dockane> Dreamer3, have got similiar experience with suspend
[07:37] <robin_> hi, Gaim is not shown up anymore in the systray, and when I click the 'X' button it really exit Gaim
[07:37] <EvilIdler> warty: Specify the problem a bit more
[07:37] <Dreamer3> dockane: i can't find the acpi stuff under /sys, am i looking in the wrong place?
[07:37] <robin_> i'm running 5.04
[07:37] <warty> you dont want!, flood!, then help!
[07:37] <dockane> Dreamer3, do you have a 2nd battery for you ultra bay ?
[07:37] <Dreamer3> dockane: i do at home, not with me
[07:37] <RanXiaodong> dockane: xfce4.2 qustion ,** (xfdesktop:8580): CRITICAL **: XfceDesktopMenu init failed (The XfceDesktopMenu module could not be loaded: /usr/lib/xfce4/modules/xfce4_desktop_menu.so: undefined symbol: quit)
[07:37] <apokryphos> warty: NO. You post your question, and you'll see if someone can help. No-one can help without knowing the problem
[07:37] <RanXiaodong> ** (xfdesktop:8580): WARNING **: xfdesktop: Unable to initialise menu module. Right-click menu will be unavailable.
[07:37] <warty> im running fedora core 3, with kde 3.3
[07:37] <dockane> Dreamer3, what do you do at home ?
[07:38] <warty> but!, somehow! kde does not play mp3s!
[07:38] <thoreauputic> warty: hard to help unless you give some details: umm /join #fedora ?
[07:38] <EvilIdler> warty: This is #ubuntu.
[07:38] <lok> you're on #ubuntu here
[07:38] <warty> i downloaded! the xmms with mp3s capabilities
[07:38] <lok>  /join #fedora ?
[07:38] <dockane> RanXiaodong, sorry not a single idea
[07:38] <warty> but the mp3s doesnt play!
[07:38] <robin_> warty: get lost
[07:38] <kain> lol
[07:38] <warty> what could be!!!!
[07:38] <Dreamer3> dockane: huh?
[07:38] <Zugot> today, i'm gonna get my k3b working with mp3
[07:38] <apokryphos> warty: You're in the wrong channel; please stay on topic if you intend to keep posting here.
[07:38] <fissy> if they wouldn't play in windows warty, would you also ask here?
[07:38] <Dreamer3> dockane: i go back and forth between work and home, have two docks, usually do'nt use the second battery
[07:38] <EvilIdler> RanXiaodong: Have you installed an xfmenu4 or similar package?
[07:39] <RanXiaodong> dockane: you are welcome ,Thanks ,I think I can do it !
[07:39] <dockane> Dreamer3,  ah i see. well acpi is maybe in /dev ?
[07:39] <robin_> join #ubuntu_for_kiddies
[07:39] <warty> ???
[07:39] <Dreamer3> dockane: it is... and /proc/acpi clearly shows the battery as charging
[07:39] <RanXiaodong> EvilIdler: no
[07:39] <warty> ok!, im goint to fedora!
[07:39] <warty> channel!
[07:39] <warty> see ya!
[07:40] <RanXiaodong> EvilIdler: I ,don't install it
[07:40] <fissy> muppet
[07:40] <robin_> LOL
[07:40] <apokryphos> hey! don't! say! thatt!
[07:40] <apokryphos> !!
[07:40] <Dreamer3> dockane: ok, i reloaded the applet and it "got it"... now to see if the HD will quit spinning down
[07:40] <dockane> Dreamer3, may 1st and biggest problem is speed stepping. hoary keeps my p3 800 on 645 and or 800 Mhz even in mobile use
[07:40] <dockane> *my
[07:41] <Dreamer3> dockane: yeah, i don't use speedstepping
[07:41] <robin_> Anyone got an idea about my missing Gaim icon in systray ?
[07:41] <EvilIdler> RanXiaodong: Maybe it's in xfld-desktop?
[07:43] <Dreamer3> dockane: ok, i'm guessing that /etc/acpi/power.sh runs on the change of event when i unplug it, but for some reason it doesn't work correctly when i plug it back in
[07:44] <Dreamer3> dockane: running /etc/acpi/power.sh as room seems to have fixed it
[07:44] <Dreamer3> dockane: intersting
[07:44] <Dreamer3> OK
[07:44] <Dreamer3> now if anyone can help me with "Brown screen" on hoary
[07:45] <RanXiaodong> EvilIdler: Now,What do I do?
[07:46] <johso> how do I configure my sound?
[07:46] <EvilIdler> RanXiaodong: If installing xfld-desktop doesn't help, I'm out of ideas
[07:46] <Dreamer3> ah, it sucks to be without networking
[07:47] <Dreamer3> how long you think i could disaple an athlon XP fan without it melting down?
[07:48] <Dreamer3> dockane: i don't think speedstepping is supported on our laptops yet...
[07:48] <apokryphos> johso: I think it was gnome-volume-control on GNOME
[07:48] <Dreamer3> dockane: i know it's not on mine...
[07:48] <RanXiaodong> EvilIdler: Your means,I install xfld-desktop ,it's ok^?
[07:48] <Xappe> ok, I was wrong about the /media bug
[07:48] <EvilIdler> RanXiaodong: I can't guarantee it helps, but it's worth a try :/
[07:48] <Zugot> my amd based laptop has some fort of speedsteeping
[07:49] <Zugot> form
[07:49] <RanXiaodong> EvilIdler: ok,thanks ,and now I quit and do itthanks,very much
[07:50] <awb4422> i'm using hoary, and obviously evolution 2.2. Every single time I check my email, I get a warning about a certificate. This has never happened in any previous email client, along with several versions of evolution. Is there anything I can do to get rid of the warning?
[07:50] <garrut> turn ssl off
[07:50] <awb4422> i have to have it on
[07:50] <awb4422> university email :/
[07:52] <bronson_> awb4422: evo+ssl is piss poor.  It's never worked properly for me in two years of trying.
[07:52] <bronson_> I finally went to Thunderbird.
[07:52] <awb4422> see i've been using it forever, and haven't had one issue
[07:52] <IceGuest_5> tambm.
[07:53] <bronson_> Weird.  *shrug*  You guys have been lucky I suppose.
[07:53] <Zugot> i'm using kmail
[07:53] <bronson_> kmail works fine for me too.  I just like TB's ui better.
[07:53] <bronson_> gotta run.
[07:54] <johso> apokryphos: I was more thinking about the device - like, how do I configure drivers etc. for my soundcard?
[07:54] <IceGuest_5> test
[07:55] <robin_> nobody got an idea :\ ?
[07:55] <netsack> xscreensaver is dying every time i open and close the adjust date and time dialog. anybody else seen that?
[07:56] <awb4422> nice now muine doesn't work
[07:56] <alfonso> hello
[07:57] <apokryphos> johso: sorry, no idea; not using GNOME here
[07:57] <thoreauputic> netsack: bizarre - does it pop up a dialog? Else how can you tell it died?
[07:57] <Sav> Anyone here uses BlueFish dayly? Im having problem saving files that goes 380+ rows. The file get all messed up if i do. (saving directly to ftp-server)
[07:58] <Myrtti> arrhhhh
[07:58] <netsack> thoreauputic, there's no dialog. i have the system monitor open so i can the process. after i open and close adjust date & time, xscreensaver disappears.
[07:58] <netsack> next time i open the screensaver preferences, it tells me xscreensaver's not running and asks if i'd like to start it.
[07:59] <Dreamer3> if i just install hoary's kernel with warty, will it break things?
[07:59] <netsack> that's how i noticed it was dying and started trying to figure out why.
[07:59] <thoreauputic> netsack: I see. Strikes me as very strange - I don't know what connection there might be between the two things at all
[08:00] <netsack> any idea on how i can debug it?
[08:00] <Dreamer3> is there a quick way in debian to reconfigure networking, like the installer does?
[08:00] <WillCooke> Anyone using dvbstream?
[08:01] <WillCooke> Dreamer, Gnome has a network applet
[08:01] <netsack> thoreauputic, or what would be the best mailing list to post this on to try to get more help?
[08:01] <thoreauputic> netsack: any messages in .xsession-errors?
[08:01] <netsack> thoreauputic, let me check.
[08:01] <Dreamer3> WillCooke: gnome doesn't start, i'm thinking more of a console thing, other than editing /etc/networks/interfaces
[08:02] <WillCooke> Dreamer3, Editing the /etc/network/interfaces isn't so bad, what's the problem you're having?
[08:03] <netsack> thoreauputic, lots of stuf in there about gnome-cups but nothing about xscreensaver.
[08:03] <Dreamer3> WillCooke: just there wasn't a card in this box when i set it up
[08:03] <Dreamer3> WillCooke: i want it to do dhcp
[08:03] <thoreauputic> netsack: maybe post on ubuntu-users list
[08:03] <Dreamer3> WillCooke: i'll go that route
[08:03] <netsack> thoreauputic, ok. thanks.
[08:04] <woodwizzle> will fdformat /dev/fd0 format a disk so that windows can read it?
[08:04] <Dreamer3> WillCooke: ok, that was painless :)
[08:05] <awb4422> i have an nforce2 motherboard, how can i set it up so music gets outputted through my spdif output?
[08:05] <Dreamer3> NOW, can i use the hoary kernel with wary with no problems?
[08:06] <kadir> hi
[08:06] <CarlK> why is lo trying to get an IP from dhcpd ?
[08:07] <IceGuest_5> l
[08:07] <CarlK> I am ssing this in syslog: Apr  3 13:06:32 localhost dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on sit0 to 255.255.255.255 port
[08:07] <micha3l> is there a way to stop ubuntu from asking for the cd everytime i try to apt-get something?
[08:07] <CarlK> micha3l - leave teh CD in? ;)
[08:07] <mellow> i got a question regarding the ubuntu dev. process. i have read that any developer is able to submit patches to any package.
[08:07] <mellow> does that mean full cvs write access for everyone?
[08:07] <micha3l> CarlK, is that the only tip :S
[08:08] <CarlK> micha3l - I am guessing if you edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:08] <mellow> and how do you make sure that only veryfied packages are accepted?
[08:08] <alexsmith> Is there any configuration center on Ubuntu? With say.. default WM/DE, etc?
[08:08] <CarlK> micha3l - or maybe under "synaptic package manager", "the menu next to help (config?)", "repositories" - CD might be listed there
[08:09] <IceGuest_5> pt
[08:09] <thoreauputic> micha3l: just put a # in front of the Cd line in the /etc/apt/sources.list, or disable it in synaptic
[08:09] <CarlK> mellow - I don't think "submit" = "accepted and used"
[08:09] <micha3l> thoreauputic, yeh i just did that, so gonna try it out
[08:09] <someone_random> ok i feel like an idiot for asking this
[08:09] <thoreauputic> micha3l: don't forget to reload / update :)
[08:10] <dross> hmm
[08:10] <dross> I'm having trouble
[08:10] <dross> what is the package source for 2.6.10-5?
[08:10] <Dreamer3> micha3l: comment out that line
[08:11] <mellow> CarlK, so there is a package maintainter for every package (like in debian) who verifies the submitted patches?
[08:11] <Manawyddan> pt
[08:11] <dross> I'm unable to find it, or I'm not updated to the correct database
[08:11] <Dreamer3> anyone know if warty can run with hoary's kernel?
[08:11] <CarlK> mellow - don't know
[08:11] <knucks> how do i make a new partition?
[08:11] <someone_random> but is there anywhere i can get my usb modem to work with it... i know i probably need to get the drivers but...
[08:11] <mellow> hmmm
[08:11] <dross> where is the source for 2.6.10-5?
[08:11] <micha3l> Dreamer3, thoreauputic, thanks that seems to have done it
[08:11] <dross> hoary
[08:12] <CarlK> someone_random - "any way"? yes - easy?  it depends ;)
[08:12] <rcollier> Anyone here know about an issue where printin "only" works under open office?
[08:12] <thoreauputic> dross: try apt-cache search linux-source
[08:12] <micha3l> does ubuntu have a list of packages that are available for apt-get to install?
[08:12] <dross> thoreauputic: did that, the right one didn't come up
[08:12] <rcollier> abiword, anything else, no go
[08:12] <micha3l> some kind of package browser
[08:12] <dross> thoreauputic: linux-source-2.6.10 I don't think is the right one, is it?
[08:12] <thoreauputic> micha3l: synaptic package manager :)
[08:13] <dross> thoreauputic: I thought there was another package for 2.6.10-5 specifically?
[08:13] <micha3l> how do i start/view using that?
[08:13] <thoreauputic> dross: I'm not sure, frankly - I'm on warty here
[08:13] <phin> hmmm, so there are no hostap or wlan drivers for ubuntu??
[08:13] <chadd> anyone use kernel-patch-badram?
[08:13] <whiteknight> phin, what is your card?
[08:14] <chadd> or is it compiles into the default kernel? anyone know?
[08:14] <CarlK> chadd - I tried to
[08:14] <chadd> CarlK: that doesnt sound good
[08:14] <thoreauputic> micha3l: either find it in the menu, or start it from a terminal with ` sudo synaptic`
[08:14] <phin_> opps
[08:14] <phin_> sorry lag
[08:14] <phin_> anyway, i want faster then 2mb/s
[08:14] <phin> wpc11
[08:14] <phin> but, i want faster then 2mb/s
[08:14] <phin_> which is all the default offers
[08:14] <phin_> plus i want monitor mode
[08:15] <CarlK> chadd - it seems that the port to 2.6 wasnt done very well
[08:15] <thoreauputic> micha3l: on warty it's under computer > system config
[08:15] <whiteknight> phin_, i think with that card you can use ndiswrapper
[08:15] <phin_> it just doesnt make sense that there is 2.4 hostap drivers
[08:15] <thoreauputic> in the menus
[08:15] <phin_> but not 2.6
[08:15] <chadd> CarlK: grak, when was this? recently?
[08:15] <micha3l> thoreauputic, im using xfce4 and im also working with a server install
[08:15] <Dreamer3> how can i have apt show me what it wants to download but not download?
[08:15] <phin_> white: im sure i can, but, what doesnt make sense is that the wlan drivers are just not available
[08:15] <CarlK> chadd - eventualy a friend who is better at kernel stuff than me took a look and advised me to give up
[08:15] <micha3l> thoreauputic, so i dont think synaptic is on here
[08:15] <phin_> they are for debian thou
[08:15] <chadd> Dreamer3: install feta
[08:16] <thoreauputic> micha3l: I see - well sudo synaptic should start it
[08:16] <thoreauputic> micha3l: try it
[08:16] <CarlK> chadd - it was about 6 months ago
[08:16] <phin_> sigh
[08:16] <thoreauputic> micha3l: if not, you can easily install it
[08:16] <micha3l> thoreauputic, says synaptic: command not found
[08:16] <micha3l> can i just apt-get synaptic?
[08:16] <thoreauputic> micha3l: yes, sudo apt-get install synaptic
[08:16] <micha3l> thoreauputic, thanks
[08:16] <whiteknight> phin_, in synaptic you can get hostap
[08:17] <whiteknight> phin_, this is on hoary though
[08:17] <Dreamer3> now i have 127mb to download on dial-up that otherwise would have still been around to upgrade another system to hoary
[08:17] <phin_> white: ya the sources, i have to build the modules thou
[08:17] <phin_> the actual module are ot there
[08:17] <phin_> modules*
[08:17] <whiteknight> phin_, oh right, it ain't difficult to do that
[08:17] <phin_> sure it is on a 500mhz machine
[08:18] <phin_> it just doesnt make sense that debian has these packages
[08:18] <phin_> and ubuntu doesnt
[08:18] <phin_> :(
[08:18] <juliusk> Greets
[08:18] <Dreamer3> ok, gnome 2.10 is supposed to be so cool is there a list seomwhere where i can quickly mount things in fstab?
[08:18] <whiteknight> phin_, nah, it'll take a sec, they'll only be compiling the single module
[08:18] <micha3l> thoreauputic, this looks good!  will synaptic download everythign and install for me too, or is it a browser?
[08:18] <phin_> whiteknight
[08:18] <mvirkkil> Any info about what caused the wiki-reset?
[08:18] <phin_> i'll give it a try
[08:18] <phin_> any info anywhere on this?
[08:18] <thoreauputic> micha3l: it will do all that  :)
[08:18] <labestia> !ping
[08:18] <whiteknight> phin_, i can help you if you want
[08:18] <juliusk> Does anybody know how can I get access to an FTP via Gnome-vfs? I wanna edit remote html files by FTP using bluefish
[08:18] <someone_random> gha ok... i need to get it working a zoom V9.2 usb modem working on an optiplex gx150
[08:19] <labestia> oe
[08:19] <thoreauputic> micha3l: it's the package manager
[08:19] <micha3l> thoreauputic, good stuff! thanks for the help! :D
[08:19] <Dreamer3> ok, gnome 2.10 is supposed to be so cool is there a list seomwhere where i can quickly mount things in fstab?
[08:19] <phin_> should i go with hostap or wlan-ng?
[08:19] <phin_> which do you think is better?
[08:19] <juliusk> Dreamer 3
[08:19] <Dreamer3> i'd have though it'd been under places
[08:19] <thoreauputic> micha3l: no worries :)
[08:19] <whiteknight> phin_, what exactly is your card?
[08:19] <juliusk> Dreamer 3, the list is in /etc/fstab
[08:19] <labestia> hello!, why ubuntu, doesnt run apps when you config the eth0
[08:19] <phin_> wpc11
[08:19] <labestia> from the gui????
[08:19] <Dreamer3> juliusk: i know where the lsit is :)
[08:19] <phin_> im gonna be using this for a little wardriving
[08:19] <phin_> and such
[08:19] <phin_> and i use multiple ap's
[08:19] <juliusk> Dreamer3: you mean a UI to edit it?
[08:20] <projectmayhem> hey everyone, I just installed a game (quake2) in Synaptic but I can't find it to run it...
[08:20] <dross> phin_: you need to have a prism2 card to war drive
[08:20] <phin_> i have one
[08:20] <Dreamer3> juliusk: there is a disk mounter applet *goes and plays with it*
[08:20] <whiteknight> phin_, okay, well wlan-ng don't use wireless tools
[08:20] <thoreauputic> micha3l: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[08:20] <kain> projectmayhem, read the description of the package
[08:20] <phin_> hostap does?
[08:20] <chadd> projectmayhem: sudo updatedb; locate quake2
[08:20] <projectmayhem> kain/chadd thx
[08:20] <whiteknight> phin_, yeah i think so
[08:20] <juliusk> Dreamer3: lol yeah, the other day that thing was hidden but it suddenly appeared in my menu
[08:20] <phin_> ok
[08:20] <phin_> i'll use that
[08:20] <Dreamer3> juliusk: not very helpful thoguh since it just shows a buch of disks with the same icon
[08:20] <whiteknight> phin_, so i recommend avoiding wlan-ng
[08:21] <phin_> sp apt-get install hostap-source and hostap-utils?
[08:21] <micha3l> thoreauputic, thanks for all the help, c ya
[08:21] <grogoreo> to add new fonts to linux, do you just copy them to the folder?
[08:21] <whiteknight> phin_, yeah
[08:21] <thoreauputic> micha3l: you're welcome
[08:21] <Dreamer3> juliusk: it works though :)
[08:21] <whiteknight> phin_, you'll also need kernel source
[08:21] <whiteknight> phin_, and of course gcc and such
[08:22] <juliusk> Dreamer3, you mean xffstab?
[08:22] <phin_> build-essential and such
[08:22] <phin_> gotcha
[08:22] <thoreauputic> grogoreo: ttf fonts can be dumped in ~/.fonts, yes
[08:22] <Dreamer3> juliusk: man, i can only eject or open the cd-rom, not unmount it, i hate that
[08:22] <thoreauputic> grogoreo: note the dot :)
[08:22] <grogoreo> thoreauputic, thank you. Is there a global font folder?
[08:23] <juliusk> Dreamer3, you can always use umount :P
[08:23] <thoreauputic> grogoreo: yes, but I don't recall exactly where ff the top of my head...
[08:23] <phin_> whiteknight: getting that all on the system now, will letcha know when im set :)
[08:23] <thoreauputic> *off
[08:23] <Dreamer3> juliusk: yeah, i know ;0
[08:23] <garrut> grogoreo: /usr/share/fonts
[08:23] <grogoreo> thoreauputic, thank you anyway
[08:23] <grogoreo> garrut, thanks
[08:23] <whiteknight> phaedo, okay i'll be around
[08:24] <whiteknight> phaedo, sorry wrong person
[08:24] <johso> ehm, isn't there some kind of tool I can use to fix my soundcard?
[08:24] <whiteknight> phin_, okay i'll be around
[08:24] <garrut> johso: like a screwdriver?
[08:24] <dross> hmm
[08:24] <grogoreo> do you have to put them in their own folder? As I look in the /usr/share/fonts, they have their own folder
[08:24] <kingsley> Which command reveals how many bytes are in each block of a file system?
[08:24] <thoreauputic> johso: unfortunately, alsaconf has been summarily removed
[08:24] <dross> source for 2.6.10-5 available, and where?
[08:24] <Dreamer3> ok, hoary... how can i change how gnome places icons on my desktop...
[08:24] <ogra> dross, linux-source-2.6.10
[08:25] <dross> Note: its not linux-source-2.6.10
[08:25] <ogra> dross, it is
[08:25] <grogoreo> and by any chance does 'fonts.cache-1' link fonts to a different folder?
[08:25] <Dreamer3> they snap to a grid, but i can never get them as close ot the left as i want, it always wants to put them WAY over
[08:25] <dross> ogra: no, or NVIDIA setup would tell me different
[08:25] <dross> ogra: theres another package I needed to make it work
[08:25] <dross> ogra: the devs told me last time what it was, but I've forgotten
[08:25] <ogra> dross, why do you use the complete kernel source for module compilation ?
[08:26] <dross> ogra: for the new nvidia driver
[08:26] <ogra> dross, normally you should be able to compile modules with the linux-herader package only...
[08:26] <juliusk> need info on gnome-vfs
[08:26] <dross> ogra: unless they upgraded from the ancient driver
[08:26] <dross> hmm
[08:26] <dross> ogra: one minute :)
[08:26] <ogra> dross, heh ? we have gotten a new nvidia driver two days ago ...
[08:27] <ogra> dross, why do you compile yourself ?
[08:27] <dross> ogra: oh really?
[08:27] <someone_random> i give up...
[08:27] <someone_random> i have no idea how to do it
[08:28] <garrut> never give up, never surrender!
[08:28] <juliusk> question: if the username of an FTP is "something@something", then are there to @ when you use ftp://yourusername:password@ftp.whatever.com <--?
[08:28] <dross> ogra: oh..
[08:28] <EvilIdler> But pass the problem to somebody else while noone's looking
[08:29] <ogra> dross, Version: 1.0.7167-0ubuntu25 :)
[08:29] <dross> ogra: I thought it was in a seperate package called nvidia-module.. not in restricted
[08:29] <someone_random> funny... not very helpful tho
[08:29] <saw27> kingsley: for ext2, 'tune2fs -l <device>' seems to tell you.
[08:29] <garrut> someone_random: what kind of modem is it?
[08:29] <thoreauputic> grogoreo: you might look at defoma
[08:29] <ogra> dross, the module itself is in there, te other stuff is in nvidia-glx
[08:30] <juliusk> beb
[08:30] <dross> ogra: hmm
[08:30] <juliusk> beb
[08:30] <juliusk> brb
[08:30] <juliusk> :S
[08:30] <dross> ogra: I was compiling it the other way ;)
[08:30] <someone_random> its a dial up zoom v9.2  model 2090
[08:30] <ogra> heh
[08:30] <someone_random> 3090^^
[08:30] <phin_> whiteknight: do i need kernel-package as well?
[08:30] <dross> ogra: though, I still need sources to play with qemu + kqemu
[08:31] <dross> ogra: I use vmware, but you never know when qemu might be better :)
[08:31] <whiteknight> phin_, don't think so, try with out it
[08:31] <dross> my laptop is back up and working, yay
[08:31] <ogra> dross, our kernel maintainer is just playing with xen ;)
[08:31] <Kikyo1> Anyone know how to get rid of the "Can't find ikernel.exe" thing when starting Baldur's Gate II setup.exe via winex/cedega on Ubuntu? :)
[08:31] <dross> ogra: I looked at xen, but haven't tried it yet
[08:31] <Kikyo1> Badlur's Gate 1 installed just fine..
[08:31] <dross> ogra: I'm waiting for some free time.
[08:32] <dross> ogra: free time cost money
[08:32] <kingsley> saw27: Thanks.
[08:32] <ogra> dross, nah....
[08:32] <ogra> dross, only if you take it dirctly from your work time ;)
[08:33] <Kikyo1> If anyone here got their Baldur's Gate II : Shadows of Amn to work, please PM me.. any help would be GREATLY appreciated! :)
[08:33] <kingsley> How large should an ext3 journal be?
[08:34] <martin> hi.. can everybody tell me how i can get a better sound-quality with XMMS?
[08:35] <apokryphos> martin: by using a better player :P
[08:35] <memnoc> hey.. i have some problems with my soundcard.. it's an onboard SiS7018 and Ubuntu picked it right up using the Trident drivers.. however, the quality when compared to the Windows performance is really bad, and i get sound stuttering in games like TuxRacer (the video is fast, just the sound stutters)..
[08:35] <apokryphos> martin: what's the problem with the sound as it is?
[08:35] <memnoc> umm did that get through?
[08:35] <Kikyo1> martin: apt-get install beep-media-player is what I did. :P
[08:35] <apokryphos> memnoc: yes
[08:35] <memnoc> ok :)
[08:35] <SeeleyUSMC> Grr anyone know how to get DVD support?  I can't seem to get my DVD player to work when I pop in a DVD to watch...
[08:36] <martin> it's a bad quality
[08:36] <Kikyo1> I have the same problem, but with me DVD-burner.. it works with regular CDs but not DVDs..
[08:36] <apokryphos> martin: too much bass?
[08:36] <memnoc> so i'm looking for some improved drivers with better sound quality and if possible to fix the performance in OGL games..
[08:36] <martin> no
[08:36] <phin_> whiteknight should i allow firmware downloading?
[08:36] <phin_> does it matter?
[08:36] <phin_> i have the firmware files
[08:37] <whiteknight> phin_, what are you compiling?
[08:37] <phin_> hostap
[08:37] <CarlK> for DVD things: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:37] <whiteknight> phin_, i'm not sure, it would allow the card to act as a ap
[08:37] <apokryphos> martin: well, I suggest (i) try putting your PCM (in alsamixer) to around 3/4 of the way, rather than 100%, or (ii) using xmms equalizer
[08:37] <martin> it's just so bad.. you only hear it when you listen carefuly
[08:37] <phin_> Oh
[08:38] <phin_> well i dont think i'll ever use it for that.
[08:38] <whiteknight> phin_, don't see any harm
[08:38] <phin_> ya
[08:38] <phin_> ima do it
[08:38] <martin> ok, thx apokryphos
[08:38] <phin_> hehe
[08:38] <Kikyo1> martin: Increase the volume ..? ;)
[08:38] <thoreauputic> memnoc: I'm no expert, but it might not be the drivers: there are some issues with esd for instance
[08:38] <apokryphos> martin: though I'd first suggest you don't use xmms ;-)
[08:38] <martin> what's better?
[08:38] <Grock> how can I get mp3 playing?
[08:38] <martin> what are you using?
[08:39] <Kikyo1> Martin: Beep-media-player. ^^
[08:39] <CarlK> Grock - https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:39] <apokryphos> martin: amaroK :). Completely unrivalled, IMO.
[08:39] <Grock> Carlk, Thanks
[08:39] <abiertos> hello my name is shellhack
[08:39] <memnoc> esd? well, i've noticed the SiS7018 isn't directly supported by SiS.. where can i see the X11 sound configs?
[08:40] <Kikyo1> apokryphos; you wouldn't by any chance know how to install Baldur's Gate II on Ubuntu ? :)
[08:40] <abiertos> I need to know where I can find good hacking manuals
[08:40] <apokryphos> Kikyo1: Nope, sorry.
[08:40] <martin> is beep-media-player a new one? because on the sites no one talked about beep-media-palyer
[08:40] <Kikyo1> apokryphos: Oh, thanks anyways!
[08:40] <thoreauputic> martin: it's a fork of xmms with gtk2
[08:41] <Fackamato> how do I check that I have dri?
[08:41] <Kikyo1> martin: No idea, a friend just told me to do apt-get install beep-media-player, and it worked fine. ;)
[08:41] <Fackamato> stepmania says direct rendering is not available, but i have 2300fps in glxgears
[08:41] <memnoc> yea beep is nice.. never liked rhythmbox, anyway..
[08:42] <martin> do you know the server-adress from beep-media-player? my apt-get can't find it
[08:42] <Kikyo1> Hm, sec
[08:42] <thoreauputic> martin: enable the universe repository
[08:43] <mvirkkil> The wiki just got reset again.
[08:43] <Xeon3D> martin: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
[08:43] <ogra> martin, its in universe
[08:43] <libben> Im back.... and still wonders what to use for SSL FTP ... GFTP wont work... only handles ssh
[08:44] <martin> thx
[08:44] <real> how can i configure adsl on ubuntu?
[08:44] <ogra> real, sudo pppoeconf
[08:44] <memnoc> what was the equivalent of foobar2000 for win on ubuntu?
[08:44] <thoreauputic> libben: apt-cache search ftp | grep ssl
[08:44] <real> nothing more?
[08:44] <Fackamato> how do I check that I have dri? direct rendering
[08:45] <ogra> real, you will need to know your access data :)
[08:45] <real> ogra: and then to start the inet service what should i do?
[08:45] <whiteknight> Fackamato, is dri mentioned in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[08:45] <ogra> pon dsl-provider
[08:45] <real> o starts automatic?
[08:45] <Arthur> ok, just curious, how do I go about trying out KDE, yet not fucking with my configuration if I wanna go back?
[08:45] <ogra> real, there is a info aftr configuration....and there is plenty of information on the wiki :)
[08:46] <real> what is dsl-provider for?
[08:46] <real> ok
[08:46] <ogra> real, thats the name of the connection
[08:46] <libben> what char is that thoreauputic ? the | that pipes it to grep?
[08:46] <ogra> real, its the default name, you can change that while configuring
[08:46] <thoreauputic> libben: yep
[08:46] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell Arthur ubukde
[08:46] <Pyre> Arthur: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[08:47] <thoreauputic> libben: I think you can replace ftp with one of those
[08:47] <libben> Well i couldent get it to work by typing it by hand... but it worked when i just copied your input
[08:47] <phin_> ok
[08:47] <Arthur> thankee
[08:47] <phin_> whiteknight
[08:47] <Kikyo1> Anyone here that got Baldur's Gate II - Shadows of Amn (with/without Throne of Bhaal) to work on their cute little Ubuntu ..?
[08:47] <lok>  somebody know a good apps for read a .tex ?
[08:47] <phin_> i have everythig untar'd, i hve the .config file in place
[08:47] <phin_> what do i do now?
[08:47] <libben> i press alt gr and hit the key next to the left shift to get the "|" but it dident work
[08:48] <thoreauputic> libben: it's the upper case of \ on my keyboard
[08:48] <whiteknight> phin_, have you compiled the driver?
[08:48] <phin_> nope
[08:48] <phin_> goto /usr/src/modules/hostap-source
[08:48] <phin_> and just type make?
[08:48] <whiteknight> phin_, first ./configure
[08:48] <phin_> there is no configure
[08:48] <whiteknight> phin_, then try make
[08:49] <phin_> dont i need kernel headers?
[08:49] <knucks> argh. im out of CDRs but I have a DVD-R..
[08:49] <knucks> i need to burn the hoary iso to it
[08:49] <knucks> will it work if i burn it to a DVDr?
[08:49] <Fackamato> whiteknight: Section "dri"
[08:49] <libben> aaah... i typed it wrong =) i dident include the word ftp on it
[08:49] <libben> =)
[08:49] <Fackamato>   Mode 0666
[08:49] <Fackamato> EndSection
[08:49] <libben> "|" is called pipe?
[08:49] <whiteknight> phin_, i'm hopiing the kernel source will be enough
[08:49] <thoreauputic> libben: yes
[08:49] <Fackamato> # This loads the GLX module
[08:49] <Fackamato>     Load	"glx"   # libglx.a
[08:49] <Fackamato>     Load	"dri"   # libdri.a
[08:49] <Fackamato> that is all
[08:49] <whiteknight> Fackamato, then dri is working
[08:49] <whiteknight> Fackamato, what is your card?
[08:50] <Fackamato> geforce 3 ti200
[08:50] <Fackamato> using hte latest nvidia driver (from their site)
[08:50] <libben> seen the word somewhere.... so it does what? pipes the output into mem and then grep is "searching that memput and VOILA?
[08:50] <johndoher> hey, what's the command for unmount?
[08:50] <phin_> holy mother of errors
[08:50] <phin_> !!!
[08:50] <Fackamato> johndoher: umount
[08:50] <libben> is that correctly?
[08:50] <whiteknight> Fackamato, you shouldn't need dri
[08:50] <libben> im new to this
[08:50] <Arthur> one other thing, that I haven't found in the Message boards, is how to install my NetZero on the computer.  they have a Lindows file that you can install, it is a .deb file, but I can't figure out how to get it working in Ubuntu
[08:50] <johndoher> same parameters as mount?
[08:50] <whiteknight> phin_, okay read the README
[08:50] <thoreauputic> libben: it sends the output of a command to the command following the |
[08:51] <whiteknight> phin_, or the INSTALL.txt
[08:51] <Fackamato> whiteknight: stepmania needs dri :<
[08:51] <thoreauputic> libben: e.g. cat /proc/cpuinfo | less
[08:51] <thoreauputic> although for that yo ucould do ` less /proc/cpuinfo `
[08:52] <whiteknight> Fackamato, hmmm nVidia say that you shouldn't have dri
[08:52] <Fackamato> nothing in the log about dri errors :<
[08:52] <woodwizzle> what group do i need to add a user to if I want the user to be able to run su - with root level permissions?
[08:52] <phin_> whiteknight: ubuntu uses pcmcia-cs?
[08:52] <Kikyo1> Baldur's Gate must really hate me for trying to play it on Linux; BG1 worked quite fine, it crashed a few times at last area but then I finnished it. Although network play was disabled; but BG2... heck, it won't even initate setup.exe (Something with Installshield I guess since it complains about iKernel.exe..) I'm using WineX 2.0 (Cedega 4.3) .. anyone that could  help me? I know this might be the wrong channel though..
[08:52] <johndoher> I just tried mounting a FAT32 partition of an SATA hard drive.  It mounted, but I couldn't get into the subfolders, or open any of the files.  In fact, when I right-clicked anything it just dissappeared.  Help?
[08:53] <libben> so when to use cat ? and what does less do?
[08:53] <whiteknight> phin_, yeah i think so
[08:53] <fissy> less can scroll :D
[08:53] <libben> Back to manpages =( ... but it s ok to readem when u think u got a hang of it =)
[08:53] <phin_> so i need the sources for that as well?
[08:53] <JDahl> woodwizzle, I just manually add users to /etc/sudoers. The man page is good
[08:53] <thoreauputic> libben: http://tuxfiles.org  :)
[08:53] <libben> so less and cat is same tool ?
[08:53] <fissy> use cat if its a small file or you want to pass output to another program
[08:53] <whiteknight> phin_, no the binaries should be fine
[08:53] <apokryphos> libben: man cat
[08:53] <woodwizzle> JDahl: thanks
[08:53] <kitten> Question.. I cannot find any way to get Gnome's menus to update with applications I've just installed.
[08:53] <kitten> Any ideas?
[08:53] <dross> oh right!
[08:53] <whiteknight> phin_, apt-get pcmcia-cs
[08:54] <dross> this card is awesome
[08:54] <thoreauputic> libben: less is a "pager"
[08:54] <dross> a wonderful 2350 fps on GeforceFX 5200
[08:54] <LinuxJones> kitten, let me get you a link
[08:54] <thoreauputic> libben: useful for looking at large files
[08:54] <dross> laptop card :)
[08:54] <SeeleyUSMC> anyone know where I can get libdvdcss ?
[08:54] <kitten> LinuxJones : Okay.  But for the record I've been googling this like a madman without success.
[08:54] <thoreauputic> libben: cat is short for "concatenate"
[08:55] <kitten> Although I did find out that installing 'menu' and 'menu-xdg' helps.  Why that isn't already there, I don't know.
[08:55] <Fackamato> whiteknight: but why do I get this strange error
[08:55] <LinuxJones> kitten, >> http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/menueditor_0.4.3ubuntu1_all.deb
[08:55] <Fackamato> glxgears works finem but
[08:55] <kitten> Then I ran update-menus, which always worked with Debian.
[08:55] <Fackamato> Initializing OpenGL...
[08:55] <Fackamato> Your system is reporting that direct rendering is not available.  Please obtain an updated driver from your video card manufacturer.
[08:55] <libben> what is that in plain english? eng is not my main lang.
[08:55] <libben> gather information and type it out ?
[08:55] <kitten> LinuxJones : Is this the one that lets me manually edit the menus?
[08:55] <LinuxJones> kitten, then sudo dpkg -i menueditor_0.4.3ubuntu1_all.deb to install
[08:55] <apokryphos> libben: it's basically a command-line viewer.
[08:55] <libben> aaah
[08:55] <thoreauputic> libben: concatenate means "make a chain " more or less
[08:55] <LinuxJones> kitten, yeah it works very nicely
[08:56] <kitten> Hm.
[08:56] <kitten> Yeah, I saw that earlier.
[08:56] <whiteknight> Fackamato, i'm really sorry i don't know
[08:56] <apokryphos> libben: only text, of course.
[08:56] <libben> so i could have typed nano /proc/cpuinfo and got the same?
[08:56] <kitten> And it could work, but what I wanted was update-menus to check and update automatically.
[08:56] <EvilIdler> libben: cat spits out textfiles without brakes, while less stops for each page
[08:56] <kitten> Cos it worked when I used Debian on this machine.
[08:56] <thoreauputic> libben: yes, in the editor
[08:56] <LinuxJones> kitten, ohh sorry
[08:56] <apokryphos> libben: nano is a command line *editor*. cat will only view the info.
[08:56] <LinuxJones> kitten, I don't think there is one for gnome
[08:56] <kitten> No, this was in Gnome. :)
[08:57] <libben> so cat and grep is used alot ill take it =)
[08:57] <kitten> That's what I don't get.
[08:57] <johndoher> Q. I just tried mounting a FAT32 partition of an SATA hard drive.  It mounted, but I couldn't get into the subfolders, or open any of the files (everything reads 0 bytes).  In fact, when I right-clicked anything it just dissappears.  I can't unmount either, the shell says that the thing's busy
[08:57] <phin_> whiteknight: odd, im getting TONS of syntax errors...
[08:57] <thoreauputic> libben: less allows viewing and searching etc - ` man less ` *grin*
[08:57] <apokryphos> libben: a lot of the time, yes. grep can be used in conjunction with cat to filter out the parts you don't want
[08:57] <martin> thx! this player worx. and looks good!
[08:57] <EvilIdler> libben: I use them many times a day
[08:58] <kitten> On a side note, I finally got wireless working on this thing, which I'm really proud of.
[08:58] <thoreauputic> libben: tuxfiles.org is a good place to start learning these commands
[08:58] <kitten> <-- baddest hacker in town.
[08:58] <libben> EvilIdler, why ? shouldent linux be easy? and friendly =) u like console so much ?
[08:58] <whiteknight> phin_, one sec, i'm compiling the driver myself to see how to do it
[08:58] <libben> thoreauputic, yeah. bookedmarked it allready...
[08:58] <EvilIdler> libben: There are things you can do a thousand times faster with grep/awk than manually in a graphical editor
[08:58] <Kikyo1> Anyone knwo WineX or Cedega's IRC channel?
[08:58] <libben> yeah ive noticed =)
[08:58] <Kikyo1> know*
[08:58] <thoreauputic> libben: contrary to popular opinion, command line is often easier and quicker :)
[08:59] <kitten> Hey LinuxJones : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile
[08:59] <EvilIdler> libben: If I want first and fourth word of a text file, sorted by the fourth word, it can be done with a simple line in the shell :)
[08:59] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell libben rute
[08:59] <Pyre> libben: http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz
[08:59] <apokryphos> libben: a good guide there to get you started :)
[08:59] <EvilIdler> libben: For every line, that is
[09:00] <kitten> For example I'm wondering why Abiword isn't showing up, and according to this it's because there's no associated desktop file.
[09:00] <kitten> Is that just an Ubuntu thing?  Cause this didn't happen with other distros.
[09:00] <kingsley> How does one tell which number, like /dev/sg3 for example, has been assigned to a certain scsi device?
[09:00] <difekta> how can i play a fucking real audio or wma file in ubuntu?!
[09:00] <thoreauputic> kitten: it's being worked on, I believe
[09:00] <kitten> kingsley : Can't you tell from mount?
[09:01] <apokryphos> difekta: check the Restricted Formats article out on the WIki
[09:01] <LinuxJones> kitten, what distro were you using before ?
[09:01] <kitten> thoreauputic : So until then you think I should just update crap manually?
[09:01] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell difekta uburestricted
[09:01] <Pyre> difekta: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:01] <LinuxJones> kitten, Mandrake ?
[09:01] <kitten> LinuxJones : Debian.
[09:01] <johndoher> kinglsey: sudo fdisk -l
[09:01] <LinuxJones> kitten, ahh
[09:01] <kingsley> kitten: mount doesn't report it.
[09:01] <JaZy15> hey can anyone help me setup a printer useing smb
[09:01] <JaZy15> i've got it connected
[09:01] <difekta> why is audioslave making their new song available in these formats?!
[09:01] <libben> the url pyre gave... huge? still loading =)
[09:02] <difekta> they should fucking use vorbis or at least mp3
[09:02] <JaZy15> but when i print a test page. on my pc (were printer is) it errors out when it's 'spooling'
[09:02] <libben> or... still connecting it says
[09:02] <difekta> and why does ticketmaster exist?!
[09:02] <difekta> what the fuck do they do?!
[09:02] <whiteknight> phin_, what i suggest is to go to http://hostap.epitest.fi/ and download the lastest source of the driver
[09:02] <difekta> nothing.
[09:02] <JaZy15> i've tried to have it print direct but nothing
[09:02] <apokryphos> libben: lot of text, but shouldn't really take long to load...
[09:02] <johndoher> kinglsey: "sudo fdisk -l"
[09:02] <difekta> just add cost to my ticket.
[09:02] <phin_> white: i have, im still getting tons of errors :(
[09:02] <KarlosII> why does acroread not open this in firefox when I click on this link? http://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf
[09:03] <whiteknight> phin_, get the latest driver its much easier...
[09:03] <phin_> white: i downloaded that and tried
[09:03] <theine> KarlosII: Did you install the acrobat-plugin package?
[09:03] <phin_> same exact errors
[09:03] <KarlosII> yes
[09:03] <KarlosII> Adobe Reader 7.0
[09:03] <KarlosII>     File name: nppdf.so
[09:03] <KarlosII>     The Adobe Reader plugin is used to enable viewing of PDF and FDF files from within the browser.
[09:03] <KarlosII> MIME Type 	Description 	Suffixes 	Enabled
[09:03] <KarlosII> application/pdf 	Portable Document Format 	pdf 	Yes
[09:03] <whiteknight> phin_, where is your kernel source?
[09:03] <KarlosII> application/vnd.fdf 	Acrobat Forms Data Format 	fdf 	Yes
[09:03] <KarlosII> application/vnd.adobe.xfdf 	XML Version of Acrobat Forms Data Format 	xfdf 	Yes
[09:03] <KarlosII> application/vnd.adobe.xdp+xml 	Acrobat XML Data Package 	xdp 	Yes
[09:03] <KarlosII> application/vnd.adobe.xfd+xml 	Adobe FormFlow99 Data File 	xfd 	Yes
[09:03] <kingsley> johndoher: running "fdisk -l" as root reported nothing.
[09:04] <KarlosII> see ff sees it
[09:04] <libben> pyre url timed out =)
[09:04] <phin_> /usr/src/linux has a link to it
[09:04] <libben> tri it again later
[09:04] <apokryphos> libben: Loads quite alright here.... instant.
[09:04] <theine> KarlosII: the acroread 7.0 plugin didn't work for me either
[09:04] <apokryphos> libben: Refresh?
[09:04] <KarlosII> when i click on it it opens a tab that is completely empty
[09:04] <johndoher> kingsley: i'm a n00b, so to me, you're fucked
[09:04] <timson> Firefox 1.02 and Mozilla has critical secutity bug in JavaScript engine https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=288688
[09:04] <whiteknight> phin_, are you running the latest version of hoary kernel?
[09:04] <phin_> /usr/src/hostap-driver-0.3.7/driver/modules/hostap.c:20:27: linux/version.h: No such file or directory
[09:04] <phin_> see
[09:04] <kitten> Oh, here's another question.  Is there a *reason* that modconf isn't available from the universe repository?
[09:04] <phin_> thats the problem...
[09:04] <KarlosII> anyone else having issues witht he acroread 7.0 plugin?
[09:04] <phin_> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[09:04] <kitten> That isn't something I should have to compile myself.
[09:04] <johndoher> kingsley: (I'm dealing with mounting issues right now as well)
[09:04] <phin_> yes i am
[09:05] <phin_> installed this last night
[09:05] <whiteknight> phin_, i've got, go into the source and do make menuconfig
[09:05] <timson> nightly build of FF solve this problem
[09:05] <johndoher> johndoher: does this make my name glow?
[09:05] <olimar> #arabeyes
[09:05] <whiteknight> phin_, then just exit
[09:05] <olimar> \j #arabeyes
[09:05] <olimar> am I on freenode?
[09:05] <KarlosII> yes
[09:05] <peck_> yes olimar
[09:05] <phin_> k
[09:05] <whiteknight> phin_, then run make (but ctrl-C after about 15 lines)
[09:05] <olimar> thanx
[09:05] <phin_> hmmm
[09:06] <KarlosII> phin_, and acroread is nto working?
[09:06] <phin_> huh?
[09:06] <phin_> acroread?
[09:06] <whiteknight> phin_, i think KarlosII got the wrong name
[09:07] <phin_> me too
[09:07] <phin_> hehe
[09:07] <phin_> whiteknight
[09:07] <whiteknight> phin_, yup
[09:07] <phin_> i found in the readme they say something about that error
[09:07] <Grock> how can I install a .deb file in ubuntu?
[09:07] <phin_> says i should do
[09:07] <phin_> udo make-kpkg --append-to-version=-3-386 --revision=1 kernel_headers
[09:07] <kitten> Grock : Same way you do in Debian.
[09:07] <phin_> i would imagine change -3-386 to -10-386
[09:07] <theine> Grock: dpkg -i <deb file>
[09:07] <kitten> Leastways that's how I've been doing it.
[09:07] <Grock> ahh
[09:08] <Grock> txh
[09:08] <whiteknight> phin_, okay, that would make sense ( i think)
[09:08] <whiteknight> phin_, the way i'm suggesting is really a dirty hack
[09:08] <whiteknight> phin_, but it does work
[09:08] <phin_> ya
[09:08] <phin_> it sounds like one :P
[09:08] <phin_> hehe
[09:08] <libben> http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz cant get this one in ff or wget
[09:08] <whiteknight> phin_, did it for my wireless card
[09:08] <phin_> right, well im gonna try your way
[09:08] <bddebian> Hey folks.  OK, so I finally installed Ubuntu on one of my laptops and the install went great.  However, my routing table seems jacked up and route add default.. doesn't seem to work.  Any ideas?
[09:09] <theine> libben: I can...
[09:09] <whiteknight> phin_, basically you want it to start compiling a kernel and then kill it
[09:09] <phin_> gotcha
[09:09] <BBB> mako, ping
[09:09] <phin_> just so it makes that version file?
[09:09] <whiteknight> phin_, yup
[09:09] <LeeJunFan> bddebian: what does route add default do?
[09:09] <whiteknight> phin_, let it run a bit more though, a couple more lines
[09:10] <bddebian> LeeJunFan: I get "No such device"
[09:10] <libben> anyone wants to mirror it?
[09:10] <JaZy15> hey can anyone help me setup a printer useing smb
[09:10] <whiteknight> phin_, i recommend you ignore the hostap-source from ubuntu and use the latest source from http://hostap.epitest.fi/
[09:10] <phin_> im gonna
[09:10] <theine> libben: wget http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz
[09:10] <thoreauputic_> libben: sudo apt-get install rutebook  :)
[09:10] <kitten> Hm.  Maybe running Gnome on this system isn't the best idea I've had, anyway.
[09:10] <theine> libben: what's the problem?
[09:10] <LeeJunFan> bddebian: the device doesn't seem to be up. if you have dhcp on your LAN you might try running sudo dhclient <device>
[09:10] <libben> theine, that wont work allready trried
[09:11] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: that's in the repos? Sweet.
[09:11] <theine> libben: what does it say?
[09:11] <whiteknight> thoreauputic, i think Kamakazie finally got his XP cd to work :)
[09:11] <libben> its timing out
[09:11] <theine> libben: oh...
[09:11] <bddebian> LeeJunFan: Ifconfig works fine and eth0 has an IP from dhcp
[09:11] <thoreauputic_> apokryphos: multiverse
[09:11] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: Yah, I see. Cool.
[09:11] <libben> lol
[09:11] <kitten> LeeJunFan : That won't help him if it doesn't see the device.
[09:11] <phin_> yay!
[09:11] <phin_> its buildig
[09:11] <libben> apt-cache search rute =) it was there
[09:11] <phin_> ok after i do make?
[09:11] <phin_> what do i do
[09:11] <phin_> make install?
[09:11] <whiteknight> phin_, yup
[09:12] <phin_> and then, just reboot and i should be good?
[09:12] <whiteknight> phin_, nah no need to reboot
[09:12] <whiteknight> phin_, just depmod
[09:12] <whiteknight> phin_, modprobe hostap
[09:12] <phin_> should i add hostap to modules?
[09:12] <KarlosII> theine, problem solved, u need to install ldap-utils
[09:12] <LeeJunFan> bddebian: is eth0 a wired nic?
[09:12] <thoreauputic_> whiteknight: really? kamakazie disappeared from my mental map some time ago, frankly...
[09:12] <KarlosII> theine, heh
[09:12] <bddebian> LeeJunFan: Nope, wireless
[09:13] <whiteknight> thoreauputic, hehe i sorted him out with a way of doing it
[09:13] <theine> KarlosII: great, thanks for finding out
[09:13] <phin_> whoa, no oss drivers either?
[09:13] <phin_> :(
[09:13] <whiteknight> phin_, ??
[09:13] <LeeJunFan> bddebian: can you try this and see if you get replies: arping -I eth0 <ip of something else on your lan like a router>
[09:13] <phin_> nm
[09:13] <phin_> nm nm
[09:13] <whiteknight> phin_, okay
[09:13] <phin_> i'll figure that out later
[09:13] <LeeJunFan> bddebian: that is an I (eye)
[09:13] <phin_> this old laptop doesnt like alsa
[09:14] <thoreauputic_> whiteknight: congrats - I kind of lost interest after he CTCP ed me and insulted me: what was  your solution?
[09:14] <kitten> phin_ : Mine either.
[09:14] <bddebian> LeeJunFan: I can ping the router (.1) fine with that
[09:14] <whiteknight> thoreauputic, i found him a ms dos bootable disk iso for him to burn
[09:14] <LeeJunFan> bddebian: can you do a plain ping?
[09:14] <whiteknight> thoreauputic, don't know if it worked but he hasn't been around for a while :P
[09:14] <bddebian> LeeJunFan: Yes
[09:14] <phin_> white: should i add hostap_cs to /etc/modules ??
[09:15] <thoreauputic_> whiteknight: I hope he was suitably grateful
[09:15] <KarlosII> theine, I found a article talking about ldap, and then I searched synaptic for ldap ,a decided to install ldap utils and then after word the plugin worked in firefox
[09:15] <whiteknight> phin_, yeah i think would be a good idea
[09:15] <LeeJunFan> bddebian: what is the exact syntax you are using with route?
[09:15] <whiteknight> phin_, is it working?
[09:15] <phin_> 1 sec
[09:15] <bddebian> LeeJunFan: Well I think that is part of my problem..;-)
[09:15] <theine> KarlosII: cool
[09:16] <phin_> make[1] : Entering directory `/usr/src/hostap-driver-0.3.7'
[09:16] <phin_> Module installation directory not valid: '/lib/modules/2.6.10'
[09:16] <phin_> Most probable cause for this is modified kernel headers.
[09:16] <whiteknight> thoreauputic, nah he just vanished oh well at least he's stopped flooding the list with insults
[09:16] <phin_> hmmmmmmm
[09:16] <theine> KarlosII: still doesn't work for me though...
[09:16] <whiteknight> phin_, what command had you just done?
[09:16] <LeeJunFan> bddebian: try 'ip route add default via <router ip>'
[09:16] <thoreauputic_> whiteknight: heh - major attiude problems...
[09:16] <phin_> make install
[09:16] <whiteknight> phin_, okay try this
[09:17] <thoreauputic_> *attitude
[09:17] <LeeJunFan> bddebian: but it doesn't explain why it doesn't get set with dhcp.
[09:17] <Phr0stByte> Anyone know where I can get ubuntu-calendar-april? It does not seem to be available yet - is it?
[09:17] <whiteknight> phin_, first try insmod hostap.ko
[09:17] <KarlosII> so you need acroread and acroread plugins, and ldap-utils inorder for it to work :)
[09:17] <whiteknight> phin_, from within the source directory
[09:17] <KarlosII> theine, hmm
[09:17] <bddebian> LeeJunFan: Bahh, I had to use ip route change.  What a dolt.  Thanks a million for the help!
[09:17] <ulisse> Hi, is there anybody running Blender 2.36 on Hoary?
[09:18] <LeeJunFan> bddebian: :)
[09:18] <Phr0stByte> ulisse: I am - its great
[09:18] <ulisse> Phr0stByte, does it run correctly?
[09:18] <Phr0stByte> yes - have not seen any bugs yet - use it every day
[09:19] <ulisse> since last update, 4 days ago, mine hangs after a while...
[09:19] <grohk> Hello, does anyone know if php5 will be packaged for Hoary?
[09:19] <Phr0stByte> ulisse: You running the static?
[09:20] <Dreamer3> hmmm
[09:20] <Dreamer3> renameing a file in gnome seem to be broken for me
[09:20] <phin_> white: ok that didnt give me an error
[09:20] <whiteknight> phin_, so try lsmod
[09:20] <whiteknight> phin_, is it in there?
[09:20] <phin_> hostap: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted.
[09:20] <phin_> hostap_crypt: registered algorithm 'NULL'
[09:20] <ulisse> Phr0stByte, I tried with the static from official site and the one from Ubuntu reps.
[09:20] <ulisse> nothing changes
[09:20] <phin_> yes it is
[09:20] <whiteknight> phin_, okay what happens if you do iwconfig
[09:20] <Dreamer3> an anyone try it?
[09:20] <Phr0stByte> ulisse: That may be why - dont use the static
[09:20] <Dreamer3> renaming a file in list view
[09:21] <phin_> whiteknight im on that pc right now
[09:21] <ulisse> Phr0stByte, is the apt-gettable version static too?
[09:21] <whiteknight> phin_, yeah but type iwconfig in the command line
[09:21] <Dreamer3> hmmmm
[09:21] <Dreamer3> and gnome browser behavior changes again
[09:21] <kbrooks> how do i install a template in nautilus
[09:21] <whiteknight> phin_, it'll show you if it worked
[09:22] <Phr0stByte> ulisse: my latest render - http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=21789
[09:22] <phin_> i did
[09:22] <phin_> it says what it normally says
[09:22] <phin_> ok
[09:22] <ulisse> Phr0stByte, very nice!
[09:22] <Kikyo1> Still noone here with experience on getting Baldur's Gate II run on Ubuntu?
[09:22] <whiteknight> phin_, then insmod hostap_cs
[09:23] <Phr0stByte> ulisse: Thanx
[09:23] <ulisse> Phr0stByte, i'm a beginner, cannot compete, but let me see if I have sthg to show...
[09:23] <whiteknight> phin_, basically we just have to insert the right driver to get the card working
[09:23] <Dreamer3> anyone?
[09:23] <phin_> now, ok
[09:23] <phin_> ok
[09:23] <Phr0stByte> ulisse: Believe it or not, I am a beginner too
[09:23] <Dreamer3> can anyone confirm this gnome renaming problem?
[09:23] <phin_> but where do i put the modules. should i manually copy them to /lib/modules?
[09:23] <noirequus> howdy
[09:23] <kernel_panic> hi there!
[09:24] <ulisse> Phr0stByte, I have a little movie: http://ulipo.altervista.org/contenuti/windsurf.avi
[09:24] <ulisse> Phr0stByte, it's a loop, play it in loop...
[09:24] <Phr0stByte> ulisse: That is nice!
[09:24] <ulisse> Phr0stByte, thanks ;-)
[09:25] <Phr0stByte> ulisse: PM me with a gaim ID!
[09:25] <noirequus> any mac users in here?
[09:25] <whiteknight> phin_, if you want though into lib/modules/2.6.xx/kernel/drivers/net/wireless
[09:25] <whiteknight> noirequus, yup
[09:25] <ulisse> Phr0stByte, ehm... I dunno how to PM... :-P
[09:25] <kernel_panic> I've a little probleme with dist-upgrade
[09:25] <thoreauputic> noirequus: yes, I have ab iBook running warty
[09:25] <noirequus> any experience/knowledge/precognitive info on 'book development?
[09:25] <kernel_panic> Unpacking replacement libsane ...
[09:25] <kernel_panic> Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox_1.0.2-0ubuntu2_powerpc.deb
[09:26] <kernel_panic> Ex-Cyber: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:26] <whiteknight> noirequus, i have an ibook running hoary
[09:26] <theine> KarlosII: The problem was that acroread is in $HOME/bin and firefox doesn't find it when launched from the Gnome menu
[09:26] <noirequus> hoary here, also.  my question was: is there any work on "sleep".  my book will go to sleep just fine, it just never wakes up
[09:26] <whiteknight> phin_, once you've copied them you need to run depmod
[09:27] <whiteknight> noirequus, i haven't checked out sleep
[09:27] <whiteknight> noirequus, sorry
[09:27] <noirequus> didn't have that problem with yellow dog linux on it, (cept YDL-rpms suck)
[09:27] <whiteknight> noirequus, i agree that YDL sucks, sleep is the final thing i need to get working
[09:27] <grohk> noirequus, I have a powerbook I just moved to Hoary from Debian Sid
[09:27] <grohk> sleep works fine for me.
[09:27] <theine> how can one set the PATH in Gnome btw?
[09:28] <noirequus> seems to me that some1 smarter than I could take the appropriate code outta the YDL distro and emplace it in ubunut
[09:28] <kernel_panic> any ideas for my problem with the mozilla-firefox .deb ?
[09:28] <pauldaoust> here's a curious thing: sometimes (actually, very often) my top panel will disappear. This didn't happen before upgrading to GNOME 2.10
[09:28] <grohk> make sure you got the right modules loaded for the ppc apm via modconf
[09:28] <whiteknight> phin_, sorry but i've got to go,just to check does the driver work?
[09:28] <pauldaoust> has anybody encountered this?
[09:28] <apokryphos> theine: edit the ~/.bashrc and add it there. Or... you can use export if it's for that session only
[09:29] <phin_> yes it seems to
[09:29] <phin_> i'll figure it out
[09:29] <phin_> thanks for getting me this far :)
[09:29] <thoreauputic> theine: in gnome? You usually set $PATH on the commandline or editing .bashrc or similar
[09:29] <whiteknight> phin_, no worries
[09:29] <KarlosII> theine, who moved it?
[09:29] <theine> thoreauputic, apokryphos: guys, i know, but it only sets the path in the shell
[09:29] <grohk> noirequus, what kernel are you running?
[09:30] <apokryphos> theine: erm, well, where else would you set it for? Commands do go through the shell ;-)
[09:30] <thoreauputic> theine: /etc/bash.bashrc if I remember correctly
[09:30] <thoreauputic> or /etc/profile
[09:30] <theine> apokryphos: if you launch an application from the gnome menu, it doesn't go through bash...
[09:31] <grohk> type "uname -a" in your console
[09:31] <thoreauputic> noirequus: uname -a
[09:31] <thoreauputic> grohk: :)
[09:31] <grohk> lol thoreauputic
[09:32] <theine> thoreauputic: Apparently one can set the path in ~/.gnomerc
[09:32] <grohk> join #osx
[09:32] <noirequus> kernel v 7.8.0
[09:32] <thoreauputic> theine: ah, useful :)
[09:32] <benplaut> exit
[09:32] <benplaut> woops
[09:33] <KarlosII> sh: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `)'
[09:33] <KarlosII> sh: -c: line 0: `infobash :)'
[09:33] <KarlosII> CPU[AMD Athlon XP 2500+ clocked at 1829.773 Mhz]   Kernel[Linux 2.6.10-5-k7 i686]   Up[-1day-]   Mem[-892.637/1012.2MB-]   HDD[-142GB(29%used)-]   Procs[-94-]   Client[X-Chat 2.4.1] 
[09:33] <noirequus> yes, woops, i almost unamed(d) into an ssh window to one of my other boxen...heh heh
[09:33] <KarlosII> :)
[09:33] <dabeej> u better fix that script
[09:33] <tsw> hi, is there a packages.ubuntulinux.com or such?
[09:34] <dabeej> or it will EXPLODE
[09:34] <noirequus> shoulda done the ssh window
[09:34] <apokryphos> tsw: what are you looking for?
[09:34] <tsw> and what about ubunbootstrap :)
[09:34] <phrob> i was told ubuntu linux runs better with gnome than KDE (kubuntu) is it true ?
[09:34] <noirequus> grohk here the is the real answer (not running the darwin kernel in my ubuntu box)  2.6.10-5-powerpc
[09:34] <apokryphos> phrob: I don't know how they'd determine that, so, erm.. no.
[09:35] <tsw> apokryphos: just some packages.. dont have the time to install right now, but I need to know some versions and such
[09:35] <KarlosII> gnome rulz
[09:35] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell tsw ubupackages
[09:35] <Pyre> tsw: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[09:35] <thoreauputic> tsw: use apt-cache policy ?
[09:35] <delire> noirequus: you have single boot ubuntu on your PPC? impressive ;)
[09:35] <thoreauputic> and apt-cache search
[09:35] <noirequus> phrob, i have seen no discernbile differences in kubunut or gnome-ubuntu (i use one every other day)
[09:35] <tsw> thoreauputic: dont have any ubuntu machines right now
[09:36] <thoreauputic> tsw: oops - just realised as you typed that - sorry :)
[09:36] <Ex-Cyber> phrob: IIRC, that used to be true before most of the kubuntu work, but I hear they're both quite nice now
[09:36] <grohk> noirequus, you need to run sudo modconf and load the ppc stuff most likely
[09:36] <apokryphos> tsw: from that link, search under "Hoary"... can find out all package info there.
[09:36] <noirequus> delire, sorry no.  I have OSX on it (replaced a dead hard drive by myself, tho) but mainly use ubuntu
[09:36] <kain> someone knows how to start a vnc4server on a specific tcp port? sorry for offtopic
[09:36] <tsw> yep already found what I needed to know
[09:36] <delire> noirequus: good to hear anyway..
[09:36] <tsw> hmm exept for the ububootstrap :)
[09:36] <apokryphos> tsw: make sure you don't just search under Warty though... ;-) -- dated packages.
[09:37] <delire> noirequus: can you connect to airports?
[09:37] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I resemble that remark! j/k :)
[09:37] <apokryphos> :P
[09:37] <apokryphos> tsw: what is that?
[09:37] <noirequus> delire, i can connect to most anything.  I'm a mobile professioal and have no idea what i'm connecting to sometimes
[09:37] <phrob> alright. thanks guys.
[09:38] <tsw> apokryphos: like debootstrap but for ubuntu
[09:38] <apokryphos> ah
[09:38] <delire> noirequus: what wireless AP browser do you use in ubuntu (if at all)?
[09:38] <noirequus> grohk, guess if modconf isnt there, it should be installed (mutters to self)
[09:38] <thoreauputic> tsw: debootstap is in the repos :)
[09:38] <apokryphos> tsw: and it should work just fine
[09:38] <tsw> hmm could debians debootstrap work with ubuntu..
[09:38] <apokryphos> tsw: remember, Ubuntu is Debian-based ;-)
[09:38] <kkathman> good afternoon all :)
[09:38] <tsw> apokryphos: and just as I got typed
[09:39] <grohk> noirequus, I think it should be...but I am an Ubuntu n00b
[09:39] <noirequus> delire, that is a good ?... I've tried to get kismet running and one other one i can't remember the name, but neither will see the AP card
[09:39] <syn-ack> tsw: I wouldnt try it...
[09:39] <Phr0stByte> Anyone know where I can get ubuntu-calendar-april? It does not seem to be available yet - is it?
[09:39] <apokryphos> tsw: it might well be altered -- tweaked for Ubuntu, but a lot of the time they have that commonality
[09:39] <tsw> so I thought
[09:39] <tsw> Ill have to test that tomorrow
[09:39] <solidape> where do i put an alias for it to work?
[09:39] <thoreauputic> solidape: .bashrc
[09:40] <noirequus> grohk, modconf doesnt show up in the hoary repository
[09:40] <solidape> where is it located, i have 2 of those....
[09:40] <noirequus> i'm sure there's another fixer that is in its place
[09:40] <delire> noirequus: try wavemon to see what's there. do you use the console often? i wrote a wifi browser in python today, i'm keen to hear what people are using (especially on PPC machines)
[09:40] <apokryphos> solidape: in ~
[09:40] <thoreauputic> solidape: if it's just for one user, in the user's home dir
[09:41] <solidape> ok, thanks for quick help
[09:41] <noirequus> delire, I love my console
[09:42] <grohk> noirequus, then we need to find out what Ubuntu uses to configure kernel modules
[09:42] <Grock> is there a quick pager that lets you grab windows from the pager and move them around?
[09:42] <Jamminpotato> hey
[09:42] <Dreamer3> can anyone confirm the issue i'm having with gnome 2.10 rename a file in file view nautlius
[09:42] <thoreauputic> grohk: usually just modprobe and add to /etc/modules IIRC
[09:42] <noirequus> delire thank you much
[09:42] <noirequus> delire is the wavemon a dynamic stumbler?
[09:43] <Dreamer3> against a nfs mounted drive :)
[09:43] <Dreamer3> doesn't seem to be a problem locally... :-/
[09:43] <delire> noirequus: no it's not sadly. airsnort etc are good for this. i have a script you might like, though you need to run it to choose which access-point to join. it works well for finding available access-points and then allowing you choose which to join.
[09:44] <grohk> thoreauputic, strange...I thought Ubuntu was more like Debian in that respect
[09:44] <Kikyo1> *Sighs* I really need help with getting Baldur's Gate II to run I can get the autorun going, but whenever it starts setup.exe it whines about iKernel.exe (So I guess it's Installshield related) I use Cedega 4.3 - anyone that might be able to help me?
[09:44] <thoreauputic> grohk: that's what I always do in Debian :)
[09:44] <Dreamer3> can anyone confirm?
[09:45] <thoreauputic> grohk: it's pretty painless
[09:45] <roo_> delire, whats this wireless browser... ? :)
[09:45] <jhaig> I'm trying to upgrade from worty to hoary.  I selected 'Mark All Upgrades' in Synaptic and after downloading almost all of the 799 packets it comes up with an error saying that some could not be retrieved from the server, and it doesn't install anything.  I am trying to deselect the packets it has problems with but it will not let me deselect one of them (capplets).  Can anyone help please?
[09:46] <DagaZ> I am having trouble getting my nvidiacard working in hoary.. I can get X running if I remove my xorg.conf and make it run on defaults
[09:46] <Bazzi> jhaig try downloading again
[09:46] <thoreauputic> jhaig: you need "smart upgrade"
[09:46] <jhaig> Bazzi: Done that several times.
[09:46] <thoreauputic> jhaig: or dist-upgrade
[09:46] <Bazzi> hmm :)
[09:46] <Kikyo1> Anyone ... ? :(
[09:46] <zenrox> jhaig, jsut restart to upgrade
[09:46] <Bazzi> yeah just du sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:46] <jhaig> It says: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/control-center/capplets_2.10.0-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[09:46] <jhaig>   MD5Sum mismatch
[09:46] <blueyed> I have problems with powernow-k8 on a AMD64 - powernow-k8 says "transition frequency failed" in /var/log/syslog.
[09:46] <thoreauputic> jhaig: ordinary upgrade won't get new packages for you
[09:47] <Dreamer3> no one
[09:47] <Dreamer3> no one using hoary that has shares via NFS?
[09:47] <blueyed> It starts with 1.8ghz, but goes down to 1.0ghz and also burncpu cannot make it go up again.. :/
[09:47] <roo_> Dreamer3, i do.
[09:47] <Pluk> im using hoary and nfs shares
[09:47] <Dreamer3> roo_: can you test something?
[09:47] <someone_random> erm
[09:47] <roo_> Dreamer3, yes. warning: i dont use gnome, or nautlius.
[09:47] <Kikyo1> I give up.
[09:47] <kzm> Good evening, all.
[09:47] <Dreamer3> ok, people using gnome and hoary and nfs shares
[09:47] <Kikyo1> Evening.
[09:48] <Dreamer3> Pluk: is that you?
[09:48] <delire> roo_: just a little console wifi browser i wrote in python today, i'm about to build an interface for it but as i use the term primarily i offer it as is.
[09:48] <Pluk> nopes sorry xfce here :)
[09:48] <jhaig> thoreauputic: I did use smart upgrade.
[09:48] <kzm> I have a small problem with an mp3 -- it apparently is recorded at half speed.
[09:48] <roo_> delire, link? :)
[09:48] <thoreauputic> jhaig: OK :)
[09:48] <Dreamer3> Pluk: can you test something in nautilus though?
[09:48] <kzm> Any way to play it at double speed?
[09:48] <jhaig> zenrox: I have tried restarting several times.
[09:48] <Dreamer3> Pluk: or you don't have gnome installed?
[09:48] <Pluk> no gnome installed
[09:48] <Dreamer3> ah
[09:48] <Dreamer3> well, i'm searching the forums now
[09:49] <someone_random> ok ubuntu sees "ubuntu hsf usb v.92 data fax modem" but it eont autodetect it when im setting up the dial up connection
[09:49] <Kikyo1> Could anyone tell me a good WineX or Cedega IRC channel ?
[09:49] <someone_random> "hsf usb v.92 data fax modem"^^ sorry coppied form a google search
[09:49] <Dreamer3> someone_random: you probably need special drivers... i've never had luck with crappy winmodems on any linux
[09:49] <thoreauputic> Kikyo1: maybe try in #winehq
[09:49] <noirequus> jhaig, update your sources.list and use synaptic
[09:49] <Kikyo1> Thanks, which server ? :)
[09:50] <jhaig> I've even tried rebooting, which I think shouldn't make any difference and in fact it didn't.
[09:50] <someone_random> anyidea where i might get them
[09:50] <someone_random> ?
[09:50] <thoreauputic> Kikyo1: this one
[09:50] <noirequus> delire, send it and let me see what i can see with it
[09:50] <Dreamer3> someone_random: oh, usb modem, that's different
[09:50] <Kikyo1> *nods* Thank you THoreayoutic :D
[09:50] <jhaig> noirequus: You mean change the sources?
[09:50] <someone_random> lol
[09:50] <thoreauputic> Kikyo1: no worries :)
[09:50] <Kikyo1> Thoreauputic even* Difficult to spell with qwerty, heh. ;)
[09:50] <Dreamer3> so, no one with Gnome and NFS and Hoary?
[09:51] <thoreauputic> Kikyo1: tab complete :)
[09:51] <delire> noirequus: i'd like a dynamic stumbler also, i think i nearly have something like that up and running..
[09:51] <Kikyo1> Oooh, good point. :)
[09:51] <noirequus> jhaig, if you are running warty and trying to apt-get your way to hoary, i believe you need to modify your sources.list to point to the hoary repository
[09:51] <someone_random> so...basicaly im screwed right?
[09:51] <pune> hey can anyone tell me how to get programs on Ubuntu?
[09:52] <thoreauputic> someone_random: linmodems.org
[09:52] <jhaig> noirequus: I have changed the sources
[09:52] <noirequus> pune, what do you mean?
[09:52] <thoreauputic> pune: synaptic package manager
[09:52] <slask3n> hi :) I have a really big problem.. everytime I try to run synaptic, update manager, and apps that requires password I get prompted for password and gets the message: "Failed to run /usr/bin/update-manager: Child terminated with 1 status" after ive entered the password.. :S why is this happening? I installed the hoary rc 10 minutes ago...
[09:52] <pune> well, i just installed ubuntu, what do you put on it?
[09:53] <thoreauputic> pune: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[09:53] <pune> thanks
[09:53] <thoreauputic> pune: thousands of programs
[09:53] <someone_random> ty thoreauputic
[09:53] <noirequus> jhaig, try using synaptic and after hitting "reload" (which is apt-get update) and "mark all upgrades" (something like "apt-get upgrade" keep hitting "apply" til it all d/l
[09:53] <thoreauputic> someone_random: yu're welcome
[09:53] <pune> is there anyway to put some of my windows programs on here?
[09:54] <thoreauputic> pune: umm... this is a different operating system
[09:54] <pune> I know that
[09:54] <noirequus> slask3n, i start synaptic from a terminal and have only seen that msg when starting from the gnome pulldown menu
[09:54] <pune> that's why i'm lost on what you put on here
[09:54] <thoreauputic> pune: check out wine then
[09:54] <delire> roo_ hehe let me know if that happens won't you ;)
[09:54] <pune> what's that?
[09:54] <thoreauputic> pune: what apps do you need?
[09:54] <roo_> delire, sure dude.
[09:54] <noirequus> pune, what do you want to do? there are analogues for most all windoze proggies
[09:54] <jhaig> noirequus: It is always failing with the same packages.
[09:55] <thoreauputic> pune: we can help with names of apps
[09:55] <pune> alright
[09:55] <noirequus> jhaig, you got me.. i have had pkg d/l failures, but hitting the apply button again usually clears them
[09:55] <slask3n> noirequus: I cant run Root terminal either :s Gets the msg "Failed to run /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator: Child terminated with 1 status"
[09:56] <noirequus> ok slask3 just open a regular terminal and type "sudo synaptic"
[09:56] <noirequus> and hit enter
[09:56] <jhaig> The error is an MD5Sum mismatch.
[09:56] <noirequus> no need for a root terminal when you can "sudo"
[09:56] <thoreauputic> pune: most things are available in some form on linux, although maybe slightly different from what you are used to
[09:56] <slask3n> noirequus: "slask3n is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported."
[09:56] <pune> ok
[09:57] <noirequus> slask are you running ubuntu?
[09:57] <noirequus> sudo is automagically enabled in ubuntu
[09:57] <slask3n> of course I am! ;)
[09:57] <noirequus> very strange
[09:57] <slask3n> hoary rc.. installed 10 minutes ago
[09:57] <thoreauputic> slask3n: is this the default (first) user?
[09:57] <slask3n> yes, its the only user
[09:57] <pune> but if i can't run windows on here, then how do I find a list of games for download on linux?
[09:57] <pune> or is there?
[09:57] <noirequus> very perplexing...
[09:57] <gordonjcp> pune: google is your friend
[09:57] <thoreauputic> pune: what kind of games?
[09:58] <jhaig> Where can I find another ftp source?
[09:58] <delire> pune: linuxgames.com
[09:58] <pune> well games and just utilities.
[09:58] <EvilIdler> pune: happypenguin.org
[09:58] <gordonjcp> pune: what kind of games do you want?
[09:58] <pune> lol
[09:58] <noirequus> jhaig, you can google for debian repositories, however they say on the ubuntu site that mixing your pkgs may cause trouble
[09:58] <pune> do they have like age of empires 2 for linux?
[09:58] <Xira> there hasn't been an update since the 1st? wtf? So now I still have the screwed up theme and login.
[09:59] <njs12345> hmm
[09:59] <njs12345> is anyone here knowledgable with DBUS?
[09:59] <Xira> someome explain please
[09:59] <jhaig> Is there only one ubuntu repository?
[09:59] <Xira> =/
[09:59] <LinuxJones> pune that's a microsoft game isn't it ?
[09:59] <noirequus> there are some folks who maintain their own repositories of stuff they've compiled themselves for specific funcitions
[09:59] <pune> yeah
[09:59] <pune> is there anything like that though
[09:59] <slask3n> thoreauputic, noirequus: I installed in expert-mode, and wrote a root password "somerootpass" and then I created a user "slask3n" with "mypass"...
[09:59] <pune> or that game translated to linux?
[10:00] <Xira> there hasn't been an update since the 1st? wtf? So now I still have the screwed up theme and login.
[10:00] <skreet> Lets say I want to get started with gnome programming, whats a good place/program to get me started?
[10:00] <LinuxJones> pune, well don't expect it to run natively on Linux you might be able to run it using wine or some other emulator
[10:00] <noirequus> one official unbuntu repository, but you can add any debian repository you like
[10:00] <Florob> Xira: there was an update
[10:00] <pune> wine is a windows emulator?
[10:00] <thoreauputic> slask3n: use the visudo command as root to add yourself to sudoers
[10:00] <delire> pune: also see http://www.garagegames.com/products/40 and http://icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD0xMDEx
[10:00] <X11> hello word
[10:00] <njs12345> LinuxJones: hate to be an arsehole, but Wine Is Not an Emulator :P
[10:00] <skreet> pune, Wine stands for "Wine is not a windows emulator"
[10:00] <edulix> pune: wine is an emulator of windows programs. maybe it can run age of empires 2
[10:00] <jhaig> pune: Yes and no.
[10:00] <edulix> whatever
[10:00] <edulix> :P
[10:00] <Xira> Florob: whoops, did an upgrade, not update
[10:00] <Xira> M.M
[10:00] <LinuxJones> njs12345, heh
[10:01] <pune> ok
[10:01] <skreet> -Anyone know of a good GTK2 programming tutorial/learning website etc etc
[10:01] <pune> i kind of get it
[10:01] <slask3n> thoreauputic: but to become root i have to get into the Root terminal right? I cant do that..
[10:01] <delire> pune: if you want to run windows only games in Linux you'll need to pay for it: http://transgaming.com
[10:01] <noirequus> slask, ubuntu has gone the way of the mac, and sort of hidden root access away from general use.  They rely on "sudo" for all the rooting needs
[10:01] <njs12345> skreet: http://gtk.org/tutorial/
[10:01] <noirequus> you may have "experlty" changed something
[10:01] <pune> ok
[10:01] <X11> i am new user to ubuntu; i love it so much by trying alittle bit live cd; but the problem is that it's slow and cant save preference with livecd; can i install ubuntus on usb key?
[10:01] <njs12345> skreet: but you need to learn C
[10:01] <noirequus> slask but try this "man visudo"
[10:01] <thoreauputic> slask3n: I thought you said you created a root password?
[10:01] <skreet> njs12345, I used to program C, so I know the basics.
[10:01] <pune> is it per month, or just pay for the program?
[10:01] <edulix> "Wine is an Open Source implementation of the Windows API on top of X and Unix."
[10:02] <Kikyo1> Pune: You can compile WineX CVS or something yourself though.. check Frank's Corner out for the HowTo.
[10:02] <X11> can anyone help me?
[10:02] <skreet> njs12345, Whats a good dev suite? or are you a gedit kinda guy?
[10:02] <njs12345> I'm a gedit kinda guy :)
[10:02] <skreet> njs12345, Do you do alot of GTK2 programming?
[10:02] <jhaig> Anyway, I think I should be able to do most of the upgrade if I could just deselect this single package.  Any idea why Synaptic will not let me?
[10:02] <njs12345> skreet: but eclipse can do some cool stuff, but it's pretty heavy
[10:02] <LinuxJones> X11, dond't think that's possible yet
[10:02] <slask3n> thoreauputic: yes but the app is crashing everytime I get prompted for a pass... :S
[10:02] <njs12345> skreet: yes, quite a lot
[10:02] <pune> where can I find frank's corner?
[10:02] <Kikyo1> It's per month 5$ or 5 a month, a minimum 3 month subscription.
[10:02] <skreet> njs12345, What projects do you work on?
[10:02] <LinuxJones> X11, can you do an install to the hard drive ?
[10:02] <Krys^> Well.. I 'tried' installing ubuntu on my toshiba laptop..
[10:02] <Krys^> it's not working real well. I can't get gnome to work!
[10:02] <njs12345> skreet: I prefer coding GTK+ from languages like Python mainly, because it's more fun
[10:02] <thoreauputic> slask3n: can't you just su in a normal terminal?
[10:02] <Krys^> .. or ot load..
[10:02] <slask3n> thoreauputic: "Failed to run /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator: Child terminated with 1 status"
[10:02] <skreet> njs12345, Can python be compiled?
[10:03] <X11> LinuxJones: i dont want to touch my harddrive
[10:03] <slask3n> thoreauputic: i will try now
[10:03] <skreet> njs12345, I thought it was script..
[10:03] <njs12345> skreet: sort of
[10:03] <LinuxJones> X11, ahh
[10:03] <edulix> pune: see this : http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?appId=99;whq_appdb=fa178c78490c16cccd41210148ad5604
[10:03] <njs12345> but you don't need to compile it
[10:03] <noirequus> jhaig, i run a mac and can't really help beyond what i've contrib'd already
[10:03] <njs12345> it can be interpreted
[10:03] <slask3n> thoreauputic: ok i made it :)
[10:03] <skreet> njs12345, Yea.. Gotcha.
[10:03] <X11> LinuxJones: i want all are in my usb key; can i?
[10:03] <Krys^> noirequus:  you have a mac?
[10:03] <njs12345> all the ubuntu tools are written in it :)
[10:03] <pune> ok
[10:03] <roo_> RexM, :)
[10:03] <pune> and that will help me out ,eh?
[10:03] <thoreauputic> slask3n: sounds like you out-experted yourself ;-)
[10:03] <skreet> njs12345, Honestly, did you learn to program GTK from gtk.org/tutorial?
[10:04] <Kikyo1> Pune : http://frankscorner.org/index.php?p=cedegacvs
[10:04] <RexM> hey roo_ :D
[10:04] <pune> My hope is to eventually familiarize myself with linux to the point where I can dump windows
[10:04] <pune> cause i hate it
[10:04] <thoreauputic> slask3n: next step is man visudo ;-)
[10:04] <roo_> RexM, long time no spk! :D
[10:04] <Krys^> noirequus: I've ordered a mac mini.
[10:04] <skreet> pune, Why do you hate windows?
[10:04] <roo_> RexM, sorry about sudden log off, kernel panic :o
[10:04] <X11> LinuxJones: i have no space on my HD
[10:04] <njs12345> skreet: pretty much :)
[10:04] <noirequus> mac minis rock
[10:04] <slask3n> thoreauputic: ok, ill look :)
[10:04] <RexM> lol, no problem
[10:04] <delire> roo_: are you serious?
[10:04] <Krys^> noirequus: sadly thE shipping is ExaCtly how thEy say it is>> and i havE no CluE what"s going on with my kEyboard *sigh*
[10:04] <skreet> njs12345, good enough :d I'll start reading up on it.
[10:04] <Artemis3> just free up a 3gb partition in your hd and install ubuntu
[10:04] <roo_> delire, deadly.
[10:04] <RexM> i forgot to back up my private ssh keys, so now i can't login to my server..
[10:04] <pune> I don't exactly
[10:05] <Krys^> noirequus: mind if i pm you?
[10:05] <njs12345> skreet: that starts you off, and you can learn other stuff by reading source code and articles and reading stuff on #gtk+ on irc.gimp.org and #gnome on irc.gimp.org
[10:05] <roo_> RexM, :o
[10:05] <pune> hate windows
[10:05] <roo_> RexM, you suck at backing up
[10:05] <delire> roo_: jesus, seems impossible. what happened?
[10:05] <skreet> njs12345, My goal is to make a music player that I dont hate :D
[10:05] <RexM> i know..
[10:05] <roo_> delire, sudo python scent.py
[10:05] <RexM> skreet, amarok? :)
[10:05] <skreet> RexM, I'll give amaroK it, it's very nice
[10:05] <noirequus> krys ??keybord ??shipping?
[10:05] <skreet> But I'm a foobar2000 (windows) kinda guy.
[10:05] <roo_> delire, i have an atmel 503a chipset, using the berlios drivers from cvs.
[10:05] <njs12345> skreet: you tried muine?
[10:05] <delire> roo_: and then you immediately had a kernel panic? can't see how that's possible
[10:06] <skreet> And after using a powerful yet lightweight player like foobar it's hard to like anyhting else.
[10:06] <Artemis3> skreet: can you make it use replaygain info from apev2 tags?
[10:06] <roo_> delire, about 1 second delay then panic! :o i couldnt believe it.
[10:06] <roo_> delire, i was thinking.. "beta app.. i'm so owned."
[10:06] <Artemis3> skreet just like fb2k...
[10:06] <roo_> :)
[10:06] <skreet> Artemis3, That would be the idea, but right now I barely know C and I dont know GTK so dont hold your breathe
[10:06] <noirequus> brb
[10:06] <delire> roo_: jeziz.. hasn't happened for anyone else.. i'll errm look into it..
[10:06] <Artemis3> skreet: aww
[10:06] <delire> eek
[10:06] <pune> right now though i have linux with windows on a dual boot, and my hard drive is really small now, i've only got so much room for linux it would be better to stick with one operating system
[10:07] <njs12345> skreet: you might also want to learn GStreamer as well :P
[10:07] <skreet> njs12345, muine? Let me look that up.
[10:07] <skreet> njs12345, Yes, yes I might.. :D
[10:07] <njs12345> http://muine.gooeylinux.org/
[10:07] <edulix> pune: you are lucky as it seems to me that age of empires 2 can bbe run with wine out of the box
[10:07] <roo_> delire, is there a kernel log for panics?
[10:07] <njs12345> written in C# with mono
[10:07] <Krys^> pune: what size of a harddrive do you have?
[10:07] <edulix> pune: just launch synaptic and install wine, then enter the cd and execute the installer
[10:07] <delire> roo_: see /var/log/syslog
[10:07] <skreet> oh noes I think I found one I like..
[10:08] <skreet> now what am I going to program
[10:08] <njs12345> has audioscrobbler and rocking D-BUS support :P
[10:08] <skreet> :D
[10:08] <delire> roo_: sorry feller, can't see how that's possible. i'll test on a few other machines and see if i can replicate it..
[10:08] <skreet> isntalling now.
[10:08] <roo_> delire, no worries, i shall also try now to get to the problem.
[10:08] <skreet> njs12345, when you started GTK programming how much C did you know?
[10:09] <delire> roo_: pretty serious, i don't see how a kernel panic could be generated. it's all harmless. if you come across anything in the logs, let me know.
[10:09] <roo_> delire, will do.
[10:09] <skreet> njs12345, I just setup my server again and I realized I forgot PHP.. I used to code PHP like a banshee.. and I went to start writing a template loader and paser and I said "whoa, I forgot PHP"
[10:09] <njs12345> I don't really remember.. but you'll want to have a good grasp on the basics
[10:09] <Florob> roo_: wait a python script gave you a kernel panic?
[10:09] <eqlb> hi quick question what is the right gpg key for debian-marillat?
[10:09] <delire> mine .. <cough>
[10:09] <killlyou> Alright... so it's not a supported package by ubuntu's pds... but im trying to get Synergy2.sf.net to work properly... any help is much appriciated...
[10:09] <roo_> Florob, yep :(
[10:09] <buerste> http://nopaste.php-q.net/125736 <--- my problem with executing cedega, posted it in #cedega too, maybe you can help, too
[10:09] <ulx> hi! anyone can help me with totem?
[10:09] <X11> can anyone install ubuntu on usb key?
[10:09] <Krys^> Anyone up to helping me finish my ubuntu install by command line?
[10:10] <subterrific> njs12345: muine seemed cool, but it wouldn't detect some of my albums
[10:10] <Florob> roo_: that should be like impossible from within a script. so wow well done...
[10:10] <Krys^> :) I'm stuck.
[10:10] <roo_> Florob, wow, thank you :)
[10:10] <Artemis3> bundled totem sucks, get totem-xine
[10:10] <thoreauputic> Krys^: what's the problem?
[10:10] <njs12345> subterrific: try tagging them with Easytag or Tagtool
[10:10] <Xira> WHat do you guys think of the new Gnome human theme?
[10:10] <njs12345> I had that problem too, but I fixed it with 10mins of tagging
[10:10] <roo_> delire, Florob http://www.pastebin.com/266623
[10:10] <subterrific> njs12345: everything i have is tagged with easytag
[10:10] <eqlb> how do i disable gpg key checking ;)
[10:11] <skreet> eqlb, Cant AFAIK.
[10:11] <slask3n> thoreauputic: it dont stand how to add a user in isudo, but in visudo editor i can see "root    ALL=(ALL) ALL" under user privelegies, and i guess i shall add "slask3n    ALL=(ALL) ALL" on the line below.. is this absolutely wrong?
[10:11] <Krys^> thoreauputic: well I ran the cd, and it said it had a problem installing stuff, so i rebooted.. and it gave me a command login.. i'm logged into it now, by command line, but it seems like X wasn't installed/configured right and I'm clueless in that department
[10:11] <njs12345> subterrific: do you mean it didn't find the album covers?
[10:11] <gordonjcp> Can anyone tell me where to find SDL_image libraries?
[10:11] <subterrific> njs12345: i tried lots of stuff and it just refused to recognize about 10 albums
[10:11] <gordonjcp> synaptic doesn't appear to show them
[10:11] <slask3n> thoreauputic: in man visudo i mean
[10:11] <subterrific> njs12345: no, they just wouldn't load period. couldn't play them, didn't show up in the list
[10:11] <jc-denton> hi i have installed fluxbox on ubuntu
[10:11] <Artemis3> Krys^: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ?
[10:11] <Xira> WHat do you guys think of the new Gnome human theme?
[10:11] <njs12345> hmm.. mine always showed up
[10:12] <Xira> in hoary
[10:12] <jc-denton> how can i configure the fonts of xorg?
[10:12] <njs12345> Xira: I like it :)
[10:12] <Krys^> Artemis3: that'd actually work? haha..
[10:12] <roo_> gordonjcp, libsdl-image
[10:12] <thoreauputic> slask3n: looks right to me - if you use visudo and stuff up, it will tell you :)
[10:12] <ulx> Artemis3: i get sound but no video when playing an avi. did install w32codec.
[10:12] <Xira> njs12345, you mean the mix bewtween clearlooks and the warty theme?
[10:12] <Artemis3> it should...
[10:12] <njs12345> yes
[10:12] <Artemis3> unless i mistyped the package name again
[10:12] <subterrific> Xira: yeah, mix between clearlooks and industrial
[10:12] <roo_> delire, thats the syslog part thats relevant, looks like its the berlios driver.
[10:12] <subterrific> Xira: its nice
[10:12] <gordonjcp> roo_: ok, it's not showing up, and it doesn't show if I say apt-cache search sdl
[10:12] <killlyou> can i pxeboot hoary release?
[10:13] <BlueFire_> I cannot install Ubuntu due to a lock up during the install process...has anyone experienced this before?
[10:13] <Krys^> well I'll go try, then if it doesn't work i'll log back into irc..
[10:13] <Krys^> be back!
[10:13] <thoreauputic> Krys^: Artemis's advice is exactly what I was about to say - should work
[10:13] <Krys^> thanks
[10:13] <slask3n> thoreauputic: ok :) but wont the user slask3n get root privelegies then? i thought the reason for removing root was not to get root privelegies on the everyday user?
[10:13] <Artemis3> just make another user from the first user
[10:14] <eqlb>  what is the right gpg key for debian-marillat? cause it complaing i dont have the right one and i used the one from the ftp site
[10:14] <thoreauputic> slask3n: only when a command is invoked with sudo - and only with your user password
[10:14] <delire> roo_: ywah.. it doesn't look like it was my script.. there are no mentions of the services i was calling.. hey are you using wireless-tools? does 'sudo iwconfig' do anything for instance?
[10:14] <Artemis3> think of the first user as the "admin"
[10:14] <roo_> gordonjcp, have you enabled the "universe" section.
[10:14] <roo_> delire, yeah iwconfig/wireless-tools is installed.
[10:14] <delire> hmm
[10:14] <slask3n> thoreauputic: ok, thanks alot :)
[10:14] <Krys^> Hmm... it says I need something like -r ?
[10:14] <thoreauputic> slask3n: no worries - sudo is kind of easy when you get used to it
[10:15] <roo_> delire, ive used these drivers and this wifi adapter for ~18months, on new kernel releases all the way thru; all configged using wireless tools.
[10:15] <delire> roo_: can you 'sudo iwlist eth1 scanning' select an access-point and/or 'iwconfig eth1 essid <access-point>'?
[10:15] <subterrific> anyone running ubuntu on a vaio laptop?
[10:15] <Krys^> `well, I did the command it told me to do so now its downloading stuff.. *crosses fingers*
[10:15] <slask3n> thoreauputic: just one more thing: what file should i save it to? "/etc/sudoers.tmp" or the "/etc/sudoers" ?
[10:15] <thoreauputic> Krys^: "something like" isn't very descriptive :)
[10:15] <roo_> delire, i'll try, if i disappear again its cos it panicked again :)
[10:15] <gordonjcp> roo_: where would I find that?
[10:15] <Krys^> subterrific:  i'm now installing it on a laptop but its not a vaio
[10:15] <thoreauputic> slask3n: um... visudo does all that
[10:15] <roo_> gordonjcp, open synaptic and goto Prefs > Repositories
[10:16] <Krys^> thoreauputic: yeah, I know, lol, I just couldn't remember quite what it was, and i'd have to switch screens to find out :)
[10:16] <thoreauputic> slask3n: you are editing /etc/sudoers with it
[10:16] <gordonjcp> roo_: ok
[10:16] <Nicolas1981> I have some trouble installing apache-php-mysql in hoary. I installed officicial ubuntu packages for apache and php4, and I cant find an official php4-mysql package, so I try to install php4-mysql from debian, and get this error: "Depends: php4-common (= 4:4.3.9-1) but 4:4.3.10-10ubuntu4 is to be installed". :( Any idea ?
[10:16] <Grock> any mp3 users?
[10:16] <noirequus> slask, "man sudo"
[10:16] <Krys^> ok, I think it loaded it properly, should I reboot?
[10:16] <roo_> gordonjcp, then add "universe" in addition to "main" which is already there
[10:16] <Florob> delire, roo_: mind telling me what mgmt is short for?
[10:16] <roo_> Florob, management?
[10:17] <delire> Florob: 'management'
[10:17] <thoreauputic> Krys^: you shouldn't need to if it completed
[10:17] <slask3n> thoreauputic: i pressed ctrl+x to exit like it says in visudo editor, and i got asked if i would save changess (y|n) and i pressed yes, now it askes if i want to save in "/etc/sudoers.tmp"...
[10:17] <gordonjcp> roo_: ahaaa
[10:17] <roo_> gordonjcp, done that? now "Reload" button, then "libsdl-image1.2" should show up..
[10:17] <gordonjcp> yup
[10:17] <Krys^> it said "changes will take effect when all current x sessions have ended"
[10:17] <thoreauputic> slask3n: accept the default then and see what happens :)
[10:17] <gordonjcp> roo_: just waiting for that
[10:17] <slask3n> ok :) thansk again
[10:18] <subterrific> < Grock> any mp3 users?
[10:18] <subterrific> heh
[10:18] <gordonjcp> roo_: are there alternate mirrors for the packages?
[10:18] <roo_> gordonjcp, err, not sure, why?
[10:18] <thoreauputic> Krys^: try ctrl-alt-F7
[10:18] <roo_> delire, sudo iwconfig wlan0 scanning = "Error : unrecognised wireless request "scanning"
[10:18] <Artemis3> everyone uses mp3...
[10:18] <thoreauputic> Krys^: and see if you have a desktop
[10:18] <Krys^> okay I shall try that
[10:18] <roo_> delire, but i can locate AP using "essid", thats been working since i first started using this driver and iwconfig
[10:18] <roo_> delire, i am using WEP too.
[10:18] <gordonjcp> roo_: just seems a little slow here
[10:18] <Krys^> notta..
[10:18] <Krys^> didn't do a thing..
[10:19] <thoreauputic> Krys^: if not, do ctrl-alt-F2, login and reboot with " shutdown -r now"
[10:19] <Krys^> okay
[10:19] <Krys^> thanks
[10:19] <roo_> gordonjcp, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive
[10:19] <roo_> gordonjcp, google is our freind :)
[10:19] <Florob> delire, roo_: ah... so what the hell would be a mangagement timeout?
[10:20] <roo_> Florob, whats the context?
[10:20] <gordonjcp> roo_: yes yes
[10:21] <Florob> roo_: look at your own log at line 17
[10:21] <delire> roo_: ahah, well there's a problem there..
[10:21] <BlueFire_> So what kind of do I have to do to get help?
[10:21] <BlueFire_> :)
[10:21] <Krys^> Well, that so didn't work
[10:21] <roo_> Florob, oh! thats a function of the wireless drivers i use
[10:21] <delire> Florob: i think the process times out, but i don't see how it can invoke kernel panic..
[10:21] <Krys^> i got the "Could not start X server. It is possible it is not configured properly" error
[10:21] <thoreauputic> BlueFire_: what's the problem?
[10:22] <someone_random> bah
[10:22] <BlueFire_> when I was running the installation it just locks up at that scanning disk phase, @ 41%
[10:22] <thoreauputic> when does it lock up? error messages?
[10:22] <delire> Florob: i've tested the script on about 7 laptops, none of which have a berlios driver albeit. maybe it doesn't support scanning..
[10:22] <BlueFire_> no messages, just stops
[10:22] <BlueFire_> it sat there for like 6 hours
[10:22] <gordonjcp> BlueFire_: dodgy disk?
[10:22] <thoreauputic> BlueFire_: try alt-F3 and see if there are any messages - alt-F1 to return
[10:23] <BlueFire_> thats what I was thinking...I reformatted my HD to see if that helped, perhaps it didnt
[10:23] <Florob> delire: but if your script just did what he just tried manually (at least I guess that what you told him to do) and there was no kernel panic than thats wired I think
[10:23] <kakalto> 'all
[10:24] <thoreauputic> Krys^: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[10:24] <flaviocpontes> hi all
[10:24] <thoreauputic> Krys^: assuming it's a warty install ?
[10:24] <Krys^> hoarty
[10:24] <njs12345> jesus christ
[10:24] <njs12345> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1468&item=5569285236&rd=1
[10:24] <njs12345> people today are so stupid
[10:24] <njs12345> :D
[10:24] <thoreauputic> for hoary do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:24] <Krys^> thoreauputic: its hoarty
[10:24] <Krys^> ok
[10:24] <jc-denton> humm
[10:24] <delire> Florob: agreed.. very confusing. even though to me the logs look like the beginning of a core dump, not a panic
[10:24] <Krys^> now.. i gotta write that down lol, i hate not being able to copy/paste
[10:24] <killlyou> fuckin heroin addicts...
[10:24] <roo_> Florob, delire yes.. it seems as if i cant reproduce the panic outside of the script :/
[10:25] <jc-denton> i have the strange problem that gnome apps under fluxbox have very small fonts
[10:25] <yahalom> anyone know how i can edit my DST (daylight saving time)? My country moved +1 hour ahead, and my Ubuntu is one hour behind.
[10:25] <jc-denton> also firefox
[10:25] <crimsun> jc-denton: execute "gnome-settings-daemon&"
[10:25] <yahalom> I am in the right timezone, i need to edit the DST dates
[10:25] <jc-denton> if i run gnome-font-properties then it changes to normal
[10:25] <delire> roo_: well i have absolutely no idea then ;)
[10:25] <Florob> delire: yes It's a core dump, but it was most likely caused by the panic I'd guess
[10:25] <thoreauputic> jc-denton: put gnome-settings-daemon in your start-p apps ?
[10:25] <delire> sure
[10:25] <killlyou> what package must i apt-get to install the XTestQueryExtension
[10:25] <BlueFire_> thats what I was thinking...I reformatted my HD to see if that helped, perhaps it didnt
[10:25] <thoreauputic> *start-up
[10:26] <njs12345> jc-denton: or alternatively, I think you can do some voodoo with .gtkrc, but I don't know how
[10:26] <Florob> good night everybody
[10:26] <yahalom> njs12345, lol lol
[10:26] <crimsun> killlyou: libxext-dev
[10:26] <Krys^> hmm.. thoreauputic  it said xserver-xorg is not installed
[10:26] <jc-denton> i did that
[10:26] <killlyou> oops
[10:27] <killlyou> dunno if i should swear here or not lol
[10:27] <jc-denton> but it has nothing to do with xorg.conf
[10:27] <jc-denton> ?
[10:27] <yahalom> can anyone help me with DST or at least tell me where i can get help
[10:27] <pune> hey, when you download something in synaptic package manager, where do those files go?
[10:27] <thoreauputic> Krys^: hmm...  you did sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop, right ?
[10:27] <Krys^> yesser
[10:27] <crimsun> pune: /var/cache/apt/archives/
[10:27] <gordonjcp> BlueFire_: reformatting doesn't do a low-level format
[10:27] <Krys^> now's the time I wish my buddy was online, so he can just ssh to my laptop, lol
[10:27] <gordonjcp> BlueFire_: you may want to find some sort of disk fitness test
[10:27] <roo_> Krys^, whats the problem?
[10:28] <Krys^> roo_: can't get X to start/work
[10:28] <thoreauputic> Krys^: try sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[10:28] <BlueFire_> any suggestions gordon?
[10:28] <Krys^> ok I will try
[10:28] <gordonjcp> roo_: thanks for your help
[10:28] <buerste> some1 here who got some knowledge about cedega cvs?
[10:28] <roo_> gordonjcp, no prbs :)
[10:28] <gordonjcp> BlueFire_: well, IBM DFT?
[10:28] <pune> ok, i found it, are these applications though?
[10:28] <pune> what are they?
[10:28] <Krys^> installing thoreauputic
[10:28] <BlueFire_> Ill give it a shot, thanks for the tip :)
[10:29] <gordonjcp> ok, next question
[10:29] <blahrus> i was wondering if I could get some sound help
[10:30] <kingsley> blahrus: I suggest asking your real question and seeing what happens.
[10:30] <Krys^> I'm starting to have this feeling, that my laptop is destined to be *only* linspire or windows, and nothing else, lol
[10:30] <blahrus> kingsley: I don't get errors or anything
[10:31] <roo_> blahrus, seriously, just ask.
[10:31] <thoreauputic> Krys^: no, if linspire worked, ubuntu should also :)
[10:31] <ulx> installing totem-xine in warty wants to delete my desktop? "The following packages will be REMOVED: totem-gstreamer ubuntu-desktop"
[10:31] <blahrus> kingsley: mpg123 plays the files fine, not an error or anything, ubuntu device database plays a testfile find, I can't hear anything
[10:31] <thoreauputic> ulx: ubuntu-desktop is a meta-package
[10:31] <roo_> ulx, ubuntu-desktop is just a virtual package afaik
[10:31] <thoreauputic> ulx: OK to remove
[10:31] <Krys^> Krys^:  should yes, is; is another story lol
[10:32] <Kikyo1> Anyone here that could help me? I can't figure out how to use DCON98.exe with cedega.. and the Cedega channel is quite empty. Also, google didn't give much help either..
[10:32] <thoreauputic> Krys^: what happend with the last command?
[10:32] <ulx> ok thanks!
[10:32] <someone_random> bah which one am i supposed to get -_-"
[10:32] <roo_> Krys^, talking to yourself is the first sign of insanity :)
[10:32] <Krys^> roo_:  lol, what's the 2nd?
[10:32] <blahrus> roo_, any ideas
[10:32] <phaedo> I noticed the Hoary RC doesn't come with stunnel - which repository do I need to add to get that?
[10:32] <pune> Once you have downloaded something off synaptic package manager how do you configure it?
[10:32] <thoreauputic> Krys^: hairs on the hands ;)
[10:32] <Krys^> the last command gave me an error, which I'm trying to get  noirequus to paste to us..
[10:32] <noirequus> here comes the gasoline...."windoze are for (l)users
[10:32] <kkathman> roo_, talking is ok, answering is ok, its when you say "Are you sure to yourself" thats when the insanity starts
[10:33] <kingsley> blahrus: Can any audio application on your computer make a sound?
[10:33] <noirequus> Krys^ i started to get an error
[10:33] <noirequus> Krys^ that said "Serial8250: too much work for irq11
[10:33] <Krys^> .. what he said
[10:33] <Arthur> ok, question for anyone out there.  Anyone know how to disable tapping for a touchpad?  It's getting a little bit annoying.  About the only thing I don't like about Ubuntu right now is that feature.
[10:33] <blahrus> kingsley, no
[10:33] <roo_> blahrus, not sure if i understand your problem.. :/ whats "testfile find"?
[10:34] <thoreauputic> Krys^: hmm... I pass... this is outside my experience
[10:34] <thoreauputic> Krys^: sorry :(
[10:34] <Arnia> Arthur: Search for information about the synaptec driver
[10:34] <roo_> kkathman, agreed :)
[10:34] <Krys^> thoreauputic:  lol. It's *way* past mine so dont feel bad haha
[10:34] <Arnia> Arthur: There are a load of configuration options that can be placed in xorg.conf
[10:34] <Krys^> linspire ran perfectly, I shoulda just stuck with that.. haha
[10:34] <Krys^> it had my apt-get and it made me happyish
[10:35] <noirequus> pune most linux apps/daemons have a .conf or rc file that options can be written into
[10:35] <pune> how do i do that
[10:35] <kingsley> blahrus: I suggest reading http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Sound-HOWTO.html#AEN415
[10:35] <blahrus> roo_, test sound under applications--->system tools---->ubuntu device database
[10:35] <thoreauputic> Krys^: might be worth a second try at installing from scratch I guess (not the Linux way, but hey...)
[10:35] <Dr_Aevil> Krys^: you still have your apt-get, only you're not using a shoddy thing like linspire :) ok, if you look at /var/log/XFree86.0.log (for warty) or /var/log/Xorg.0.log what did it fail on?
[10:36] <Dr_Aevil> the xorg is if you're using the hoary RC
[10:36] <Krys^> Dr_Aevil: ahh.. how do I look at it? lol
[10:36] <txz> why app is doing the log rotation in cron.daily is it logrotate or sysklogd?
[10:36] <roo_> blahrus, ah, cant help, i done use Gnome, sorry !
[10:36] <yahalom> anyone here switched from debian to ubuntu?
[10:36] <delire> blahrus: esd errors perhaps?
[10:36] <Dr_Aevil> Krys^: type "less <file>" and scroll down to the end, look for the error it gives at the end
[10:36] <Krys^> thoreauputic: this is actually my 5th install
[10:36] <yahalom> (then again i know mandrake isnt a good example)
[10:36] <thoreauputic> Krys^: Dr_Aevil makes a good point
[10:36] <yahalom> wrong window
[10:36] <Krys^> hmm okay.. Just let me see if I can understand the point, lol
[10:37] <blahrus> delire, nothing in /var/log/esd
[10:37] <Absenth> yahalom, I switched from fedora, and have moved in and out of xandros 3 from ubuntu hoary
[10:37] <Krys^> the file is..*sigh* /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:37] <delire> blahrus: have you tried turning off esd?
[10:37] <thoreauputic> Krys^: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:37] <roo_> delire, iwlist wlan0 scanning  gives me perfect output :o
[10:37] <gordonjcp> next question is: any pointers to getting my SiS 630 working with 3D acceleration?
[10:37] <thoreauputic> Krys^: use the space bar to get each page
[10:38] <Dr_Aevil> Krys^: ok, look towards the very end of the file and look for the error it gives
[10:38] <Krys^> okay.. let me try
[10:38] <blahrus> delire, no
[10:38] <delire> roo_: ok good ;) still at a loss as to what's up there. i'll pass it on to a friend who specialises in finding memory leaks etc..
[10:39] <delire> blahrus: find it in the system configuration panels (i don't use gnome).. turn it off and try again..
[10:39] <Krys^> well.. That file doesn't exist, lol
[10:39] <Dr_Aevil> Krys^: ls /var/log and look for the x log file
[10:39] <pune> how do i write to a programs .conf or rc file?
[10:39] <apokryphos> the Wiki down for anyone else?
[10:39] <Krys^> okay
[10:39] <burgermann> 'lo
[10:39] <Absenth> anyone know if there are plans to incorporate the new nvidia drivers into Hoary via synaptic?
[10:40] <Dr_Aevil> pune: use your editor of choice: gedit, or from the console, nano, pico, vim, emacs
[10:40] <Krys^> Dr_Aevil: Can I pm you some stuff?
[10:40] <Dr_Aevil> you need to spam?
[10:40] <txz> log rotation is done by what in cron.daily
[10:40] <Krys^> pretty much
[10:40] <Krys^> lol
[10:40] <burgermann> Does a Ubuntu come with a decent C-compiler or is it just me? :] 
[10:40] <Dr_Aevil> paste it in #flood :)
[10:40] <Krys^> i'm in command line, I can't even paste!
[10:40] <Kikyo1> Could anyone help me with dcon98.exe and Cedega? Pwetty pweese? : ( (#Cedega and Google.com won't help me. Sorry.)
[10:41] <kkathman> burgermann, gcc
[10:41] <Dr_Aevil> Krys^: sudo apt-get install gpm will give you a mouse cursor at the terminal
[10:41] <kkathman> burgermann, and I think you have to apt-get it
[10:41] <pune> what is gedit do?
[10:41] <Krys^> wow.. I love u.. lol
[10:41] <burgermann> kkathman, ya that's the one i need... i'm trying to compile apache, it says it can't find it =(
[10:41] <burgermann> oh
[10:41] <kkathman> pune  gedit is a text editor
[10:41] <Krys^> *sigh* package doesn't exist..
[10:41] <txz> pune: gedit is the gnome text editor
[10:42] <Krys^> k anyway..
[10:42] <Krys^> logs for:
[10:42] <Krys^> auth..
[10:42] <Dr_Aevil> hmm, it's in debian :)
[10:42] <kkathman> burgermann, check your /etc/apt/sources.list, and be sure you have the appropriate sources
[10:42] <Dr_Aevil> maybe it's in ubuntu universe
[10:42] <pune> what text am I editing?
[10:42] <Krys^> base-config..deamon..fontconfig..
[10:42] <Absenth> Krys^, Add universe to your sources.list and you can apt-get gpm
[10:42] <Krys^> lpr..
[10:42] <Krys^> how?
[10:42] <Xira> My desktop: http://img160.exs.cx/img160/5462/buntu4kd.png :D!!
[10:43] <thoreauputic> Dr_Aevil: it's in universe on warty, yeah
[10:43] <Absenth> sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list  uncomment the two lines.
[10:43] <libben> Im trying to connect to an SSL ftp account.... ftp-ssl dont cut it
[10:43] <Krys^> ok
[10:43] <Absenth> then sudo apt-get update
[10:43] <thoreauputic> Absenth: heh - vi might be a little daunting'
[10:43] <Krys^>  nowh
[10:43] <Krys^> how do i save?
[10:43] <Krys^> lol
[10:43] <Absenth> thoreauputic, heh,,,,  oops.
[10:44] <thoreauputic> Krys^: nano /etc/apt/sources.list might be easier
[10:44] <Akira> Hey, anyone have any sucess installing the nforce sound drivers?
[10:44] <Absenth> Krys^, Esc, Shift z z
[10:44] <Krys^> okayu
[10:44] <blahrus> Xira, what theme are us using for those icons?
[10:44] <Absenth> Akira, mine sound is working, but I don't think i did anything special.
[10:44] <Dr_Aevil> if you're in vi then press "esc" and then ":wq"
[10:44] <Krys^> wow.. nothing works, lol
[10:45] <kkathman> burgermann, I am not sure which source has it but I think its main restricted
[10:45] <txz> log rotation is done by what in cron.daily?
[10:45] <Absenth> Akira, I'll be honest though,  I think I'm using the oss driver.
[10:45] <burgermann> kkathman, it prolly is
[10:45] <duncan> Anyone here compile the kqemu module on hoary?
[10:45] <libben> Im trying to connect to an SSL ftp account.... ftp-ssl dont cut it... anyone knows any good ftp client? that can handle SSL
[10:45] <duncan> I geta  "module incorrect format"
[10:46] <gordonjcp> any hints on using SiS630 with 3D acceleration?
[10:46] <Rocha> Hello
[10:46] <Rocha> How can I remove some boot services?
[10:46] <kkathman> burgermann, do a sudo apt-get update, and then a sudo apt-get install gcc
[10:46] <noirequus> libben, doesnt "sftp" work?
[10:46] <gordonjcp> apart from "Don't" ?
[10:46] <Akira> I know you don't have to do anything special, but the nforce sound has better sound
[10:46] <Akira> and i can use to setup 4.1 speakers
[10:46] <munki> libben , or the ftp client in midnight commander ?
[10:46] <goldfish> ok that is weird
[10:47] <goldfish> hmm...
[10:47] <goldfish> How do I view what version of ubuntu I am running?
[10:47] <munki> goldfish uname -a
[10:47] <kmaraas> cat /etc/issue?
[10:47] <Rocha> munki, that gives the kernel version
[10:47] <slask3n> why is parts of the ubuntu website down? can anyone fix it? i and my buddies just get "502 Bad Gateway" :s i need to know where the repositories file is, so I ca enable universe and mutiverse repositories...
[10:48] <goldfish> ah yes
[10:48] <Rocha> munki, he wants the ubuntu version
[10:48] <munki> oh.. =S
[10:48] <goldfish> kmaraas: thanks
[10:48] <goldfish> munki: thanks :)
[10:48] <goldfish> wow
[10:48] <noirequus> burermann also apt-get install build-essential will get you all the dev goodies
[10:48] <munki> Rocha , guess not ^^
[10:48] <goldfish> My hoary now works.
[10:48] <andi_> hi, i need truetype fonts for cedega
[10:48] <goldfish> Cool.
[10:48] <andi_> how's the package called?
[10:48] <Dr_Aevil> slask3n: either use the synaptic editor / update tool or edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:48] <slask3n> andi_: do you have Point2Play?
[10:49] <pune> so you use gnome text editor in order to install applications
[10:49] <roo__> delire, i know which line causes the panic
[10:49] <andi_> no.
[10:49] <andi_> using cvs version
[10:49] <andi_> ;-)
[10:49] <thoreauputic> pune: no :)
[10:49] <roo__> delire, scanLines = os.popen("iwlist " +setCard +" scanning").readlines()
[10:49] <thoreauputic> pune: you use synaptic or apt-get :)
[10:49] <kkathman> When is the official hoary now??  4/6 or 4/10  I've heard both
[10:49] <slask3n> ok, if you visit transgaming.com i thin there is a package with fonts that will fix it :)
[10:50] <andi_> i dont think ill get the package for a cvs version
[10:50] <andi_> they dont like me
[10:50] <andi_> :D
[10:50] <pune> ok, so once i've downloaded programs or packages through synaptic package manager, you're saying they will be installed as well?
[10:50] <thoreauputic> pune: gedit is to edit files that might help you use the installers etc
[10:50] <Rocha> How can I disable the service that enables RAID devices?
[10:50] <thoreauputic> pune: indeed
[10:50] <pune> then how come i can't find the programs to run them?
[10:50] <thoreauputic> pune: name a program you can't find ?
[10:51] <Dr_Aevil> pune: such as?
[10:51] <txz> Rocha: most raid devices are loaded by a kernel module
[10:51] <pune> well, i just downloaded wine
[10:51] <slask3n> andi_: hehe, but try visit transgaming.com and look at the packages there, i had Point2Play and then it was a button for downloading fonts, but i think it can be downloaded from webpag
[10:51] <pune> I can't find where it is though
[10:51] <pune> do i open a terminal and just type wine?
[10:51] <Dr_Aevil> wine is run from the console
[10:51] <thoreauputic> pune: ah, you run apps with wine <appname>
[10:51] <Rocha> txz: i don't have raid devices, but ubuntu tries to find them on boot.
[10:51] <Dr_Aevil> yeah, not all programs are designed to be run graphically
[10:51] <Rocha> How can I disable boot services?
[10:51] <pune> type it like that?
[10:52] <pune> wine and then the application name?
[10:52] <thoreauputic> pune you need to have the path to the program
[10:52] <txz> Rocha: do you want to disable hardware probing on boot?
[10:52] <Dr_Aevil> cedega, which generally has a fee to use (aside from cvs version) has a graphical front end..but
[10:52] <bas> i am experiencing wireless and non-wireless networking problems on one machine after an upgrade: when i run dhclient it tells me: "send_packet: message too long". also static config doesnt help. any ideas? cant ping anything.
[10:52] <Kikyo1> Could anyone help me with dcon98.exe and Cedega? Pwetty pweese? :( (#Cedega and Google.com won't help me. Sorry..)
[10:52] <Rocha> txz, yup, that too.
[10:52] <pune> which program though wine or the program wine is running?
[10:52] <Dr_Aevil> Rocha: you can use an app - on debian I've used sysv-rc-conf
[10:53] <bas> i googled some thread on the ubuntu message board about this issue, but the 'solution' of changing some things in dhclient.conf doesnt help me..
[10:53] <Dr_Aevil> Rocha: of you can look at /etc/rc?.d
[10:53] <Kikyo1> Trying to install Baldur's Gate 2, autorun starts, but as soon as it tries to run setup.exe it complains about installshield's ikernel.exe.. Baldur's Gate 1  installed just fine though. ><;
[10:53] <thoreauputic> pune , the program you want to run
[10:53] <Dr_Aevil> or*
[10:53] <slask3n> i cant find the mutiverse repository in /etc/apt/sources.list.. where can i find this?
[10:53] <bedi_> hum.. i need a amsn skin =D
[10:53] <thoreauputic> pune:  wine /path/to/program
[10:53] <Xira> Ubuntu has font antialiasing on by default right?
[10:53] <pune> ok
[10:53] <pune> i ee
[10:53] <pune> see
[10:53] <pune> so you have to run programs using the terminal
[10:53] <Rocha> Dr_Aevil, thanks
[10:54] <txz> Rocha: to disable service on boot the way i do it go into the /etc/rc.X directeries and take out what i dont want loaded at that init level
[10:54] <bas> slask3n, google 'ubuntu multiverse'.. first hit
[10:54] <thoreauputic> pune: not usually - wine is a bit... different
[10:54] <bas> Xira, yes
[10:54] <slask3n> bas: ok, but what is the marrilat repository ive read about in wiki?
[10:54] <thoreauputic> pune: most programs will have a menu entry
[10:54] <Rocha> txz, ubuntu should have a graphical program for that :)
[10:54] <pune> programs should list then under applications in the menu?
[10:55] <zerovertex> anyone using xfce on hoary? how do I gdm to give me an option to use xfce?
[10:55] <thoreauputic> pune: normally, yes
[10:55] <bas> slask3n, it contains some programs that cannot be distributed by ubuntu/debian.
[10:55] <chadd> I dont see linux-source-2.6.10-4-386 in apt, I see the image and headers .deb, but no source... do I have to get it from the 'source' ? (:
[10:55] <thoreauputic> pune: some of the apps in universe won't show there unfortunately
[10:56] <pune> ok
[10:56] <thoreauputic> pune: if you know the command you can make an icon/launcher
[10:56] <chadd> zerovertex: supposdly gdm is the way to go, I couldnt figure it out as quick as I could hack around it.
[10:56] <slask3n> bas: ok, but i cant enter the page to see, cause ubuntu wiki pages are printing a "502 Bad Gateway" error :s
[10:56] <Xira> bas, another reason I love Linux. font antialiasing is so much better than cleartype.. because cleartype is for people who can see correct color spectrums, I am colorblind.
[10:56] <Dr_Aevil> chadd: you want the headers for your kernel version if you're trying to compile something (e.g. drivers (nvidia for example)) for the running kernel
[10:56] <thoreauputic> pune: the command  `which ,nameofapp> willusually tellyou where it is
[10:56] <chadd> Dr_Aevil: I want to try to build the badmem patch in
[10:56] <[ajm] > Hello
[10:56] <thoreauputic> pune: and usually just typing the name will start it
[10:57] <zerovertex> chadd, gdm is the login manager...
[10:57] <Jamminpotato> !ask
[10:57] <Jamminpotato> oops wrong iwndoew
[10:57] <chadd> zerovertex: gdm still thinks its running metacity, and says so, but I changed the /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager to point at my wm, seems to work
[10:57] <thoreauputic> pune: sorry typo:  which "nameofapp"
[10:57] <Dr_Aevil> chadd: ah, if you need to patch the kernel source you should just get the generic kernel source I guess :) - you're going to be replacing your running kernel so you don't need a matching version
[10:57] <pune> ok
[10:57] <zerovertex> chadd, okay. thanks
[10:57] <bas> Xira, interesting... never realised cleartype affected colorblind ppl
[10:57] <chadd> Dr_Aevil: http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/download.html
[10:58] <thoreauputic> pune: most will be in your "path" so thay are found by the shell
[10:58] <sataere> Hey, anyone here experienced static when they try to open a dvd using mplayer?
[10:58] <chadd> Dr_Aevil: I'd hate to have to figure out all the compile options tho, anyway I can get around that?
[10:58] <Rocha> Dr_Aevil, sysv-rc-conf did the job :)
[10:58] <Xira> bas, ClearType puts red green and blue on the edge of the letters to make them look more visible
[10:58] <chadd> Dr_Aevil: like copy the config.h maybe? its been awhile since I"ve rolled my own kernel.
[10:58] <slask3n> anyone here who administartes the ubuntu web site? the site is partially down..
[10:58] <Xira> i do not see RGB correctly
[10:58] <Xira> therefore it does not work for me
[10:59] <zerovertex> chadd, I also found this page http://www.os-works.com/documentation/xfce-installers/4.2.1/xfce-installer/#setting-up-gdm
[10:59] <slask3n> Xira, this is better in linux?
[10:59] <Rocha> Will mono 1.1.6 available for ubuntu as a .deb package?
[10:59] <Xira> slask3n, Linux doesn't use cleartype, instead it actually uses anti-aliasing which works much different
[10:59] <pune> the 'which tells what you want to call the command?
[10:59] <chadd> Xira: linux wouldnt use it, the X server would, fwiw
[11:00] <thoreauputic> pune: not exactly
[11:00] <Xira> chadd, well yeah, but by linux I mean any major linux distro
[11:00] <slask3n> Xira, then ive learned something new today also :) hehe, but im glad you have found a way to work it out! :)
[11:00] <chadd> Xira: and so you still mean the X-server (:
[11:00] <Xira> linux *in general*
[11:00] <thoreauputic> pune: try for example   which firefox
[11:00] <sataere> Most dvds don't give me the same problem, I suspect it's the codec they used for the dvd.  I installed all of the essential codecs for mplayer, and recompiled but it still occurs.
[11:00] <avdi> hi folks
[11:00] <bas> Rocha, eventually. just get them from brandon hale's apt sources for now
[11:00] <thoreauputic> pune: it should say /usr/bin/firefox
[11:00] <Dr_Aevil> chadd: I believe the .config comes in the ubuntu package...hopefully with the default options on, then you just need to patch -p0 < <patch file> and make oldconfig
[11:00] <avdi> I have a stupid question
[11:00] <Ni0> hello
[11:00] <Ni0> anyone for help?
[11:01] <Rocha> bas: what's the address of that repository?
[11:01] <Arnia> Xira: Do you have this problem with any subpixel smoothing?
[11:01] <Ni0> how i can install an identd server on ubuntu?
[11:01] <gordonjcp> can anyone help me with SiS 630 3D acceleration?  I get this error:
[11:01] <gordonjcp> [sis_alloc.c:154] : Failure to allocate Z buffer.
[11:01] <thoreauputic> pune: actually that might be  which mozilla-firefox, sorry
[11:01] <Xira> Arnia, I know the one that xorg uses works, because it just resamples the image iirc, and it uses greys, not RGB
[11:02] <Xira> i can see greys fine
[11:02] <sataere> Has anyone had a similar audio malfunction with mplayer?
[11:02] <Xira> greys/grays
[11:02] <thoreauputic> Xira: "greys" is correct where I come from ;)
[11:02] <avdi> I just installed kubuntu, and I noted that it never asked me for a root password
[11:03] <avdi> does ubuntu have a default root password?
[11:03] <Xira> avdi, root is disabled in ubuntu by default
[11:03] <Bazzi-> avdi ubuntu uses sudo
[11:03] <Xira> use sudo
[11:03] <MaRk-I> avdi, nope
[11:03] <chadd> avdi: it uses sudo
[11:03] <chavo> avdi, no use sudo
[11:03] <pune> that's what it says
[11:03] <avdi> yeah, I understand that
[11:03] <chadd> Bazzi-: no, it uses sudo!
[11:03] <Bazzi-> x(
[11:03] <avdi> or rather, I'd figured that out
[11:03] <avdi> the question is
[11:03] <chadd> avdi: its better that way
[11:03] <avdi> is root login disabled entirely?
[11:03] <sataere> Can someone help me with mplayer?
[11:03] <chavo> no
[11:03] <thoreauputic> pune: most apps are installed in /usr/bin
[11:03] <MaRk-I> avdi, to set a root, sudo passwd root (if you must)
[11:03] <avdi> I don't mind, I just want to know for my information
[11:04] <tony> do the default hoary kernel support ISA?
[11:04] <avdi> out of curiousity, how is having sudo enabled for all commands more secure than using su?
[11:04] <Ni0> how i can install an identd server on ubuntu?
[11:04] <Krys^> does this channel have some sorta "pming" rule?
[11:04] <thoreauputic> pune: if you type   echo $PATH , you will see all the paths that are searched automatically by the shell
[11:05] <MaRk-I> Ni0, go to Synaptic and search for identd
[11:05] <MaRk-I> or apt-get identd install (I believe)
[11:05] <tony> "lspnp" gives "lspnp: /proc/bus/pnp not available"  :\
[11:05] <noirequus> sudo is safer then loggin in as root, kn case you are in a root terminal and ente something stupid
[11:05] <pune> ok, i changed directories and then said Ls
[11:05] <Rocha> Is there anyway to enable the cdrom eject button?
[11:06] <Rocha> ...instead of ejecting from gnome?
[11:06] <pune> looks like it gave me a list of all programs in /usr/bin
[11:06] <thoreauputic> pune: any command in those directories wil be executed with a single command like "gedit" or " gnome-terminal"
[11:06] <sataere> Can someone please help me with mplayer?
[11:06] <pune> that's cool
[11:06] <thoreauputic> pune: you can tab-complete commands
[11:06] <Dr_Aevil> chavo: are you grabbing the source now?
[11:06] <jhaig> sataere: Ask your question and then someone may be able to help you.
[11:06] <chadd> Dr_Aevil: no .config file on this default install
[11:06] <chadd> Dr_Aevil: maybe its in the headers
[11:06] <pune> how do you do that?
[11:06] <Dr_Aevil> chadd: there's def one in the headers
[11:06] <andreas_> Hi. I have installed KDE (not Kubuntu) on my Hoary.
[11:06] <thoreauputic> pune: eg  gnome-ter <tab>
[11:07] <Dr_Aevil> if you copy it it'll prob work :)
[11:07] <andreas_> Unfortunately Gnome is not found when trying to remove it - howcome?
[11:07] <Dr_Aevil> chadd: http://higgs.djpig.de/cgi-ubuntu/search_contents.pl?word=.config&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=warty&arch=i386
[11:07] <pune> what does that do?
[11:07] <Dr_Aevil> for hoary anyway
[11:07] <apokryphos> andreas_: is it realy there? Is libgnome2-0 there?
[11:08] <sataere> Playing a dvd in mplayer, I get static instead of the audio.  I compiled a fresh version of Mplayer with the essential codec pack, and I have ffmpeg compiled too, and yet it still won't play the audio.
[11:08] <thoreauputic> pune: if there are many commands beginning with the same letters, <tab> <tab> will show a list
[11:08] <thoreauputic> pune: try it
[11:08] <Krys^> sataere:  can you please stop pming me. Thanks.
[11:08] <thoreauputic> pune: for instance the commands for openoffice all start oo, so   oo  <tab> <tab>
[11:09] <lok> I look for a way to mount in loopback any iso image without the root rights any idea ?
[11:09] <sataere> I wasn't aware that I was pming you.
[11:09] <sataere> Krys^, I wasn't aware that I was pming you.
[11:09] <tony> lspnp tried to access /proc/bus/pnp, but the real name is /proc/bus/isapnp ? How does that work?
[11:10] <Krys^> sataere: .. typo sorry.. sacmala
[11:10] <sataere> Krys^, no prob
[11:10] <Krys^> sataere: I love tab too much, but sometimes I forget to press it multiple times :)
[11:10] <chadd> Dr_Aevil: man, I wish I could just >get< that one file.
[11:10] <Dr_Aevil> chadd: they're tiny files anyway
[11:11] <pune> oh cool
[11:11] <pune> that's neat
[11:11] <chadd> Dr_Aevil: yeah, but I still have to install the entire headers package to get one file
[11:11] <Dr_Aevil> chadd: just grab them from the ftp and dpkg -x ./<deb file> /dir/to/extract/to :)
[11:11] <sataere> Krys^, no worries I've done that too.  ;)  Hey, while I've got you attention, ever had a problem playing certain dvds in mplayer?  I compiled a fresh version, but for some DVDs, all I get is still static instead of the audio.
[11:11] <Dr_Aevil> chadd: you don't need to apt-get install it
[11:11] <thoreauputic> pune: paths will tab complete as well
[11:11] <chadd> Dr_Aevil: or I install it, get the file, and remove it (:
[11:11] <andreas_> apo: Well... I can choose it when booting.
[11:12] <sataere> Krys^, welcome back
[11:13] <Dr_Aevil> chadd: I guess :) I'd not want it to overwrite my stuff in that dir though
[11:13] <thoreauputic> pune:  http://tuxfiles.org
[11:13] <Krys^> thanks
[11:13] <chadd> Dr_Aevil: I dont have anything in there yet, this sia  fresh install
[11:13] <sataere> Krys^,  Hey, while I've got you attention, ever had a problem playing certain dvds in mplayer?  I compiled a fresh version, but for some DVDs, all I get is still static instead of the audio.
[11:13] <thoreauputic> pune: for much good beginning info on the command line
[11:13] <Krys^> sataere: Nope, I haven't tried that yet. I'm like 2 days old to ubunu :)
[11:14] <sataere> Krys^, Ah, cool cool.  How are you liking it?
[11:14] <tony> is the hoary kernel compiled without isapnp support?
[11:14] <Krys^> love it, trying to get it going on my laptop, but my laptop's puttign up a fuss. Happyily i've got someone sshing and fixing it :)
[11:14] <avdi> anybody know if there's a "differences from vanilla debian" summary for ubuntu anywhere?
[11:15] <sataere> Krys^, That's nice of them.  :)
[11:15] <Krys^> Extremely. It'll save my laptop from being chucked out the window lol
[11:15] <chavo> avdi, MrGrim, they've got DVD's on computers now?
[11:15] <chavo> woops
[11:15] <chavo> avdi, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/
[11:15] <chadd> wow, ubuntu doesnt install gcc by default? crazy.
[11:15] <pune> thanks a lot
[11:15] <tony> yeah :\
[11:15] <pune> i'll check it out
[11:16] <Kikyo1> How do I run  ".run" and ".run.md5"-files ? ^^;
[11:16] <noirequus> chadd, you havta apt-get build-essential
[11:16] <chavo> gcc?
[11:16] <thoreauputic> chadd: it's on the disc - sudo apt-get install buid-essential
[11:16] <tony> Kikyo1, use "sh blah.run"
[11:16] <tony> Kikyo1, and "md5sum blah.run.md5"
[11:16] <Kikyo1> Tony: Ah, thanks :)
[11:16] <wnaLinux> Does anyone know the packages that are needed to use the "lame" mp3 encoder for grip, because It dfoesent seem to work, by the way I am running hoary
[11:16] <_avdi> forgive me if I'm repeating myself, I lost my connection:
[11:16] <_avdi> anybody know if there's a "differences from vanilla debian" summary for ubuntu anywhere?
[11:17] <thoreauputic> chadd: desktop distro = not installing dev tools by default
[11:17] <tony> Forgive me if I am repeating myself, I am losing my mind.
[11:17] <chavo> _avdi, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/
[11:17] <Krys^> haha.. i so dont know what just happened..
[11:17] <chadd> thoreauputic: sure, I can see the logic... this is one of the first distros I've used that doesnt (:
[11:17] <delire> roo__: sorry was eating. you can run python interactively with python -i to see where the problem might lie, and also use 'strace'. if you're feeling brave you can run it as root, as it may be a problem with your sudo setup
[11:17] <Kikyo1> Tony: Do I run both? Or jsut one of them? :)
[11:17] <chavo> tony, could you repeat that please? :)
[11:17] <tony> Kikyo1, the md5 file is just to check if the checksum is right.
[11:18] <thoreauputic> chadd: IIRC mandrake doesn't unless you tick the developmant boxes :)
[11:18] <Kikyo1> Oh, like to check so it isn't corrupt or so?
[11:18] <thoreauputic> *development
[11:18] <tony> meaning... you can see if the file has been changed or corrupted since it was downloaded.
[11:18] <tony> yep.
[11:18] <_avdi> chavo: I was looking for a more technical "this is what we changed" doc, but thanks
[11:18] <wnaLinux> Does anyone know the packages that are needed to use the "lame" mp3 encoder for grip, because It dfoesent seem to work, by the way I am running hoary
[11:18] <Kikyo1> tony: Ah, thanks a bunch!!! :):)
[11:18] <chadd> thoreauputic: I'm not worried by it, just hadnt considered it to :not: be installed (:
[11:18] <tony> np
[11:18] <chadd> wnaLinux: use vorbis
[11:18] <yfir> wnaLinux: all you need is the 'lame' package from Multiverse repositories
[11:18] <thoreauputic> chadd: sure :)
[11:19] <cartel_> Extracting templates from packages: 100%
[11:19] <cartel_> what is this?
[11:19] <chavo> wnaLinux, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:19] <tony> i though i was safe, since knoppix found my soundcard. then i install hoary, and all is silent :\   but then again, this is 2.6, knoppix is 2.4
[11:19] <Rocha> Why doesn't ubuntu have a graphical boot?
[11:19] <tony> drek.
[11:19] <cartel_> Rocha: does it need one?
[11:19] <Rocha> All linux distros have one.
[11:19] <chadd> haha
[11:19] <cartel_> Debian doesnt. Slackware doesnt.
[11:19] <tony> not arch. my Other Favourite.
[11:20] <yfir> Rocha: probably to save space
[11:20] <wnaLinux> how do I add the multiverse repositorie for hoary?
[11:20] <thoreauputic> Rocha: umm, no they don't -
[11:20] <Rocha> cartel_, it doesn't, but text scrolling scares many people
[11:20] <cartel_> nothing to do with saving space
[11:20] <Krys^> debian doesn't what? have a graphical boot?
[11:20] <Kikyo1> A question: I accidentally mounted alot of ISOs to /media/cdrom2/ and they won't eject when I rightclick them.. is there a command for unmounting the ISOs? :P
[11:20] <goron> I just downloaded the ISO and burned it. On my harddisk the checksum is ok.
[11:20] <cartel_> Krys^: not by default
[11:20] <yfir> wnaLinux: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:20] <tony> Kikyo1, umount /media/cdrom2
[11:20] <cartel_> Kikyo1: umount foo
[11:20] <Rocha> thoreauputic, mandrake, suse and fedora do!
[11:20] <chadd> Rocha: so ubuntu needs some framebuffer graphic thing with thelogo at the top of the display, and scrolling text below, in COLORS
[11:20] <Krys^> oh i didn't know that
[11:20] <Kikyo1> tony: Thanks again :)
[11:20] <thoreauputic> Krys^: it scrolls text before starting gdm or kdm
[11:21] <wnaLinux> yfir: I download the package from there?
[11:21] <Rocha> chadd, no scrolling text.
[11:21] <goron> Checking every checksum of all the files on the cd isn't what a human is supposed to do. Is there some way to verify the cd?
[11:21] <thoreauputic> Rocha: yes, thay do
[11:21] <tony> Kikyo1, now you tell me how to get my p-o-s isa crystal audio soundcard to work. please.
[11:21] <cartel_> why is that important
[11:21] <Krys^> oooh.. ok, yeah I knew that :)
[11:21] <chadd> Rocha: how about rotating text?
[11:21] <Rocha> chadd, just a logo with a progress bar
[11:21] <yfir> wnaLinux: no, that page will explain how to add a repsoitory, and the one you need for 'lame'
[11:21] <cartel_> the BIOS is scrolling text
[11:21] <thoreauputic> Rocha: doesn't improve them, IMO ;)
[11:21] <wnaLinux> ahh ok thank you
[11:21] <delire> roo__: also checking http://google.com/linux with string '"kernel panic" +berlios' reveals some very interesting clues..
[11:21] <Rocha> chadd, just like suse and other distros
[11:21] <goron> It's in the menu, but I don't know whether I can trust that computer.
[11:21] <Kikyo1> tony: I'm sorry but I don't think I would be of much help. :( I'm dumbfolded when it comes to hardware and such
[11:21] <sataere> Some DVDs that I try to play give me static buzz when I try to play them on Mplayer.  I can't try totem because xv crashes my computer.  I have recompiled Mplayer three times in two days with no change in the audio output.  Anyone know what's going on?
[11:22] <Kikyo1> Have you checked the ubuntuguide site?
[11:22] <goron> The installer breaks on a different package each time .
[11:22] <thoreauputic> Rocha: some of us *like* to see what's happening ;)
[11:22] <tony> I usually can handle most linux-related... thingies, but I am really stuck now.
[11:22] <yfir> sataere: you might have to configure Mplayer to use esd
[11:22] <Kikyo1> Error: could not determine real path of the device: No such file or directory
[11:22] <Kikyo1> eject: unmount of `/home/ky/Documents/Baldur's\040Gate\040II\040-\040SoA\040+\040ToB\040expansion/BG2_CD1.ISO' failed
[11:22] <Kikyo1> What the..
[11:22] <cartel_> Rocha: if you are good, you can add bootsplash.
[11:22] <Rocha> thoreauputic, you can also press ESC to see what's happening in other distros
[11:22] <sataere> yfir, I'll try that, hold on.
[11:22] <cartel_> Rocha: furthermore ubuntu is in RC now, maybe at a final release it will get a boot splash.
[11:22] <goron> Is there some way I can verify the burned installation cd?
[11:22] <goron> :?
[11:23] <thoreauputic> Rocha: yes, I know - i'm just being obtuse ;-)
[11:23] <Rocha> cartel_, it should have a boot splash :)
[11:23] <cartel_> its not release-critical.
[11:23] <tony> a bootsplash is a bit big change from a rc to a final.
[11:23] <cartel_> tony: not at all
[11:23] <slask3n> are there any multiverse repositories for hoary? i only find for warty... or can i use the one for warty?
[11:23] <goldfish> Is there a way to tell what filesystem you are using? I forgot what one I chose at installation......
[11:23] <cartel_> tony: its quite likely that ubuntu kernels already have bootsplash support
[11:23] <sataere> yfir, using -ao esd I get "Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound."
[11:23] <JDahl> goldfish, cat /etc/fstab and look for ext3 or ext2
[11:23] <tony> cartel_, think of all those messed up framebuffers of laptops.
[11:23] <cartel_> tony: just disabled by default ;)
[11:24] <Rocha> All people i gave an ubuntu live cd got scared when they saw lots of text scrolling
[11:24] <tony> oh, ok. yeah, that could work.
[11:24] <cartel_> Rocha: tell them to use windows
[11:24] <Madeye> How to check what version of xorg i'm running
[11:24] <Rocha> Live cd's bootsplash doesn't work all the time, but it's there.
[11:24] <goldfish> JDahl: thanks.
[11:24] <Rocha> it the live cd has a boot splash, install version should have one too
[11:24] <thoreauputic> Rocha: but ceased being scred when the gdm login appeared?
[11:24] <Kikyo1> This sucks, heheh.. I've got three ISOs mounted but can't umount them. ^^
[11:24] <Rocha> cartel_, windows is comercial software, ubuntu is not
[11:25] <cartel_> Rocha: but windows has a pretty splash screen?
[11:25] <yahalom> can someone help me with choosing between ubuntu and debian?
[11:25] <delire> Kikyo1: umount -l /path/to/iso
[11:25] <thoreauputic> Madeye: X -version
[11:25] <cartel_> yahalom: do you have any linux knowlege?
[11:25] <Rocha> cartel_, i don't care if it's pretty
[11:25] <cartel_> Rocha: Suse and redhat are commercial, too
[11:25] <cartel_> and they have splash screens
[11:25] <Rocha> ubuntu's live cd has a boot splash too
[11:25] <cartel_> therefore i think, if you want a splash screen, use a commercial os
[11:25] <chavo> yahalom, ok I'll flip a coin for ya.
[11:25] <Kikyo1> Delire: The problem is that I.. well.. deleted the ISOs...
[11:25] <Krys^> how do I change the mouse curser color in ubuntu?
[11:25] <tony> yahalom, you pick ubuntu because it is easy. unless you want to use debian stable as a server, find somehting else if you wanna configure by hand.
[11:25] <chavo> heads or tails?
[11:26] <cartel_> brb
[11:26] <Rocha> cartel_, fedora is not comercial and has a boot splash
[11:26] <delire> Kikyo1: umount -a ?
[11:26] <yfir> sataere: you are using Hoary?
[11:26] <khantozavri> hi folk
[11:26] <slask3n> are there any multiverse repositories for hoary? cause i can only find for warty... or can i use the one for warty?
[11:26] <thoreauputic> Rocha: I think you've made your point ;)
[11:26] <drbombay43> yellow all is there a way to change the font size on the root terminal or console
[11:26] <Kikyo1> delire: Yay! Thanks! :)
[11:26] <chavo> Rocha, send in a patch.
[11:26] <sataere> yfir, Yep.  Mplayer seems to try and open a codec called hwdts for the sound
[11:26] <Rocha> cartel_, you're one of those guys that thinks linux should be green text on black background.
[11:26] <chavo> make us a nice perty bootscreen
[11:26] <sataere> yfir, or rather I'm using the Hoary preview.
[11:26] <Krys^> drbombay43, I think so
[11:27] <delire> Kikyo1: np
[11:27] <tony> dts? as in dolby digital?
[11:27] <sataere> I believe so.
[11:27] <thoreauputic> slask3n: just add the word multiverse after universe in the sources.list, with a space between
[11:27] <tony> strange.
[11:27] <Rocha> chavo, ubuntu live cd's already has one
[11:27] <yfir> slask3n: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/ConfigUbuntu5.04%20repositories/view?searchterm=hoary%20repositories
[11:27] <drbombay43> Krys^ can you tell me how?
[11:27] <yfir> oops, sorry about that url
[11:27] <Rocha> chavo, they can use it in the install cd
[11:27] <slask3n> thoreauputic, yfir: ok :)
[11:27] <Madeye> thoreauputic,  Thank you
[11:27] <drbombay43> or point me in the right direction
[11:28] <sataere> I'll try recompiling ffmpeg
[11:28] <thoreauputic> Madeye: no worries :)
[11:28] <Krys^> drbombay43,  i'm snoopin around trying to find it for you :) give me a few mins
[11:28] <Krys^> Pm me so I remember u're nick
[11:28] <tony> anyone using any ISA-gadgets at all in here? know how to find basic info about them?  How can I see if the hoary kernel includes isa support at all?
[11:28] <drbombay43> dont know how
[11:28] <Krys^> type /msg nick messsage
[11:29] <tony> i did, and a guy called nick answered.
[11:29] <slask3n> thoreauputic: like this? "deb http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse"
[11:29] <libben> I couldent connect with MC, i couldent connect with ftp-ssl.... My friend now tells me it it TLS cryptated.... so wich client uses TLS for ftp?
[11:29] <drbombay43> was that right?
[11:30] <thoreauputic> slask3n: looks right at first glance, yeah
[11:30] <tony> libben, you have a warez friend? :)
[11:30] <yahalom> yeah i have some linux knowledge, y?
[11:30] <tony> flashfxp for windows handles tls. uhm, and... .
[11:30] <slask3n> thoreauputic: ok, but should i do this on the hoary-security also? like "deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe"
[11:30] <thoreauputic> slask3n: rinse and repeat for other universe lines :)
[11:30] <tony> i think pftp and lundfxp for linux handles TLS too.
[11:30] <libben> tony.... NO NO *cough*cough* its not like an 286 with 5 hds each 200 gb and dvd-r and archive folders.... NO
[11:30] <yahalom> is ubuntu and debian practically the same?
[11:30] <Krys^> *shrug* can't find it
[11:31] <thoreauputic> slask3n: *shrug* won't do any harm, I think
[11:31] <ifrflyer> Hi, all, running hoary on 386 and trying to find the simplest way of getting java >1.4 installed - I see lots of contradictory stuf...
[11:31] <slask3n> thoreauputic: ok, hehe :p ill try..
[11:31] <thoreauputic> slask3n: I don't think it's needed though
[11:32] <yahalom> tony, ubuntu is only meant to be easy?
[11:32] <thoreauputic> might spit errors
[11:32] <tony> yahalom, yes.
[11:32] <Krys^> drbombay43,  I know how to do it now
[11:32] <yahalom> tony, so most ubuntu developers actually stick to debian?
[11:33] <roo__> delire, this time i was eating :)
[11:33] <burgermann> :S, I have a gcc library in /usr/lib/gcc, but there doesn't seem to be any gcc compiler anywhere :S, does anyone know where it could be?
[11:33] <tony> when picking a linux distro, you make a choice between "install easily once and forget maintenance"  and "install a bit harder, but at least you have control over packages and can make your own easily if you need non-standard stuff".
[11:33] <killlyou> im pissed more packages arent supported by ubuntu.
[11:33] <thoreauputic> yahalom: why would they when they are developing for ubuntu?
[11:33] <killlyou> lol
[11:33] <EMan> Everytime I play a game that fullscreens at a resolution that isn't the one Gnome is running at, my LCD monitor stops getting a signal. How do I fix this?
[11:33] <yahalom> cartel_, y did u ask me about my linux knowledge?
[11:33] <spacey> its really anyoing that ubuntu hasn't compiled the ftp clients with ssl support
[11:33] <thoreauputic> killlyou: over 15 000 not enough?
[11:34] <spacey> tony, i think you chose both when you pick ubuntu
[11:34] <roo__> killlyou, which packages are you looking for?
[11:34] <tony> spacey, tls-ftp is quite unusual. mostly warez-monkeys running glftpd and similar use it. the STANDARD for encrypted ftp is sftp.
[11:34] <yahalom> thoreauputic, well like lets say i recommend customers to use ubuntu, because it easy, however i want debian as i prefer a totally self customised distro...example
[11:34] <thoreauputic> burgermann:  sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:34] <tony> spacey, deb packages are not the easiest to roll.
[11:34] <drbombay43> Krys^; please tell me?
[11:34] <libben> ffs... im gonna need WINE =) and flashfxp for this... to get something with a GUI =)
[11:34] <spacey> tony, its not any different from debian?
[11:35] <thoreauputic> yahalom: you can customise ubuntu to your heart's content
[11:35] <libben> bbl..... monopoly time....
[11:35] <tony> if you need to clean up conflicts and make your own packages, ubuntu is quite hard.
[11:35] <tony> spacey, no, the same as debian.
[11:35] <ifrflyer> no takers on the java question?
[11:35] <spacey> tony, in what perspective?
[11:35] <yfir> ifrflyer: you use Hoary?
[11:35] <ifrflyer> Yep
[11:35] <tony> spacey, compared to e.g. arch linux.
[11:35] <burgermann> thoreauputic, oki it's working, but is there any simpel explaination of what the gcc library was doing there, if the compiler really wasn't there?
[11:35] <yfir> ifrlyer: well, I'll tell you what worked for me...
[11:36] <ifrflyer> yes, yes?
[11:36] <yahalom> thoreauputic, i have. And i;m pleased with it. But if the long term goals of ubuntu are only to be easier usage, then i'm concerned
[11:36] <yfir> ifrflyer: hang on one sec
[11:36] <ifrflyer> with bated breath
[11:36] <thoreauputic> burgermann: I don't know - probably required by other apps
[11:36] <spacey> tony, i never used that, so i can't compare
[11:36] <burgermann> thoreauputic, how odd :s, but thanks, it seems to be working
[11:36] <Ni0> can anyone tell me how i can add some repositories in ubuntu synaptic?
[11:36] <spacey> tony, but i don't see a reason why package stuff is harder in ubuntu then debian
[11:36] <tony> spacey, uses a VERY easy build system called abs.  You edit a textfile with url to source and some basic install instructions, and then type "makepkg" in the same directory. a few minutes later you have a package you can install along with your other packages.
[11:36] <thoreauputic> yahalom: are you on the mailing list? i think you'd ne pleasantly surprised
[11:37] <yahalom> thoreauputic, no man, i'm not, worth it? i go to the forum a lot.
[11:37] <yfir> irflyer: this is what i did and it works for me...
[11:37] <tony> spacey, no, package stuff is equally hard in ubuntu and debian :)
[11:37] <thoreauputic> Ni0: settings - repositories, highlight and tick the boxes
[11:37] <spacey> tony, i never made normal packages, but kernel packages are also just 1 command
[11:37] <yahalom> thoreauputic, i usually come here when its an emergency, like downloading the new kernel and everythign freezing on me
[11:37] <tony> i mean.. installing and removing packages in debian/ubuntu is easy as pie. it is just when non-standard stuff (conflicts, missing packages) happens you get problems.
[11:38] <yfir> irflyer: add repsoitory ftp://ftp.tux.org/java/debian/ sarge
[11:38] <tony> bbl, smoke.
[11:38] <yfir> irflyer: update package list, then
[11:38] <thoreauputic> yahalom:  sign up for the users list - it's quite active and useful
[11:38] <spacey> tony, i never had that problem
[11:38] <yahalom> thoreauputic, thanx man. wil do.
[11:39] <yfir> irflyer: install packages: j2re1.4 and java-common
[11:39] <yfir> irflyer: that seems to be all that is needed
[11:39] <ifrflyer> Excellent! Thanks so much, I'm updating now. . . .
[11:39] <Krys^> Anyone know how to change my mouse cursor color to white?
[11:39] <sataere> Okay, mplayer is still using the libavcodec to try and play dts audio.  I think that's what's giving me the static, since I don't have dts compatible hardware.  Any ideas anyone?
[11:39] <yahalom> thoreauputic, questionL if install ubuntu on 20 pcs in an office, is that ok?
[11:39] <thoreauputic> Krys^: install gcursors
[11:40] <yahalom> thoreauputic, it's 100% free regardless right?
[11:40] <Krys^> thoreauputic, thanks
[11:40] <noirequus> krys the mouse cursor in what? kde, gnome, a terminal?
[11:40] <thoreauputic> yahalom: yes, the distro is free of cost and free as in freedom ;)
[11:40] <sataere> yfir, any ideas?
[11:40] <Krys^> no such package :(
[11:40] <yahalom> well there we just saved $20000
[11:40] <yahalom> nice
[11:40] <dean_za> how does the network config tool know if you need 128 bit encryp , it found my prismGT card but i cant connect
[11:40] <yfir> sataere: sorry, i'm not really sure what the problem is. give me a sec, i'll think about it
[11:41] <ifrflyer> yfir, sorry but that's coming back malformed. . . Clearly user error on my part i did:
[11:41] <thoreauputic> Krys^: hmm - thereis one - I moght have mistyped it
[11:41] <ifrflyer>  j2re1.4 and java-common
[11:41] <Krys^> ok
[11:41] <ifrflyer> Sorry,
[11:41] <thoreauputic> Krys^: try apt-cache search cursors
[11:41] <ifrflyer> deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/java/debian/ sarge
[11:41] <sataere> yfir, Thanks :)
[11:41] <thoreauputic> Krys^: I assume this is Hoary?
[11:41] <yahalom> thoreauputic, where do i sign up for the mailing list?
[11:41] <yfir> ifrflyer: i might have mispellede it, hang on
[11:41] <ifrflyer> Thanks!
[11:41] <cartel_> re
[11:41] <Krys^> yup.. it was a white cursors yesterday and now its black. My background's back so now I can't see my cursor lol
[11:42] <thoreauputic> yahalom:  lists.ubuntulinux,com  from memory
[11:42] <yahalom> thoreauputic, found it.thanx
[11:42] <yfir> ifrflyer: sorry, this is what you add to /etc/apt/sources.list  :
[11:42] <yfir> deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/java/debian/ sarge non-free
[11:42] <HiddenWolf> Can anyone help me install skype. Neither the staticly linked tar.bz2 nor the deb installs for me.
[11:43] <cartel_> why does ubuntu consider mp3 a restricted format
[11:43] <ifrflyer> Trying. . . .
[11:43] <yfir> ifrflyer: synaptic(or whatever) will complain that you it can't authenticate, but ignore that for now
[11:43] <Kikyo1> Arf.. I got the "Baldur's Gate 2 Setup" (.run) going now, and I have disc 1 in /media/cdrom2/.. but when I click to start the install it says "Please mount the Baldurs Gate 2 Disc 1 CDROM. Choose Yes to retry, No to cancel." Yes doesn't do anything...
[11:43] <sataere> Do you have qt installed?
[11:43] <cartel_> the licensing only covers embedded devices
[11:43] <thoreauputic> cartel_: patents
[11:43] <HiddenWolf> sateare: yup
[11:43] <sataere> Hmm...
[11:43] <tony> software patents are evil.
[11:43] <cartel_> thoreauputic: the thompson patent only covers the embedded mp3 player
[11:43] <HiddenWolf> cartel_, because mp3 is non-free
[11:43] <ifrflyer> Looks better, yfir, thanks. I'll give a whilr. . . .
[11:43] <cartel_> it is not
[11:43] <tony> i thought it was fraunhofer who owned the patent.
[11:44] <thoreauputic> cartel_: talk to canonical, not me :)
[11:44] <cartel_> tony thomson = fraunhofer
[11:44] <tony> aha.
[11:44] <burgermann> ohh nooo!!!.. I'm so screwed "libtool: link: `strings/*.lo' is not a valid libtool object" just gimme some .deb package for crying out loud, I haven't goot the faintest idea of what that error is or how it's fixed =(
[11:44] <sataere> HiddenWolf, I didn't think it had any further dependencies than qt
[11:44] <cartel_> its the same thing as lame
[11:44] <ifrflyer> Bummer - no such file.
[11:44] <cartel_> this fear of mp3 is ridiculous
[11:44] <tony> if ogg portable music players were more available, i wouldnt care more about mp3.
[11:44] <ifrflyer> to be precise:
[11:45] <ifrflyer> Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.tux.org/java/debian/dists/sarge/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Server closed the connection
[11:45] <ifrflyer> Reading package lists... Done
[11:45] <ifrflyer> W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.tux.org sarge/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.tux.org_java_debian_dists_sarge_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[11:45] <ifrflyer> W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.tux.org sarge/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.tux.org_java_debian_dists_sarge_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[11:45] <cartel_> tony thats why im getting a neuros
[11:45] <tony> thanks, ifrflyer, we appreciate that. wanna see my dmesg too?
[11:45] <Artemis3> some distros decide to obey corporate rules to keep distributing in some countries where profits go before people...
[11:45] <ifrflyer> Yeahm sorry - slip of the finger
[11:45] <yfir> tony: pardon?
[11:45] <thoreauputic> cartel_: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad mpg321  ;-)
[11:45] <tony> cartel_, hard to find in europe :\
[11:46] <cartel_> even better
[11:46] <Artemis3> speaking of gstreaner and mp3, is the player supposed to be able to edit tags?
[11:46] <cartel_> XviD as a patent encumbered format..
[11:46] <tony> a 1 gb flash-based player would suit me perfectly.
[11:46] <cartel_> thats so stupid
[11:46] <drbombay43> cartel_; who makes a good potable ogg player mainly for a car?
[11:46] <Krys^> now.. how to get icoutils to work
[11:46] <thoreauputic> Artemis3: it won't do it here - I use tagtool
[11:46] <Artemis3> pretty much mpg4 yes
[11:46] <drbombay43> cartel_; who makes a good portable ogg player mainly for a car?
[11:46] <dabeej> root has landed!
[11:46] <cartel_> drbombay43: unknown, i dont own a car
[11:47] <fraggsta> I am getting the error "Missing output drivers.  Configuration failed." EVERY time I try to run "X -configure".  I can't find any useful threads on the forums so does anyone have any idea why this happens?
[11:47] <dabeej> i havent done that in years
[11:47] <dabeej> felt good
[11:47] <Artemis3> yes i tried that player (what was the name? symphony?) and it wont let me edit tags ...
[11:47] <saw27> cartel_: some of the iriver players do ogg
[11:47] <drbombay43> then any type will do
[11:47] <tony> still no-one with isa-experience here? crystal audio onboard soundcard refuses to be detected.
[11:47] <DoppleGanger> stop whining
[11:47] <slask3n> does the repository described in "Method 0" in https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java , for warty work on hoary as well?
[11:47] <HiddenWolf> libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory - qt is installed, what now?
[11:47] <burgermann> does anyone know why strings/*.lo isn't a vaild libtool? :S
[11:48] <yfir> irflyer: sorry, that is odd. works for me
[11:48] <Kikyo1> Arf.. I got the "Baldur's Gate 2 Setup" (.run) going now, and I have disc 1 in /media/cdrom2/.. but when I click to start the install it says "Please mount the Baldurs Gate 2 Disc 1 CDROM. Choose Yes to retry, No to cancel." Yes doesn't do anything...  now I tried mounting the disc 1 iso to cdrom0, cdrom1, and cdrom2, still doesn't work - anyone know why?
[11:48] <thoreauputic> tony: apt-cache search isapnp (and good luck)
[11:48] <ifrflyer> Okay, thanks!
[11:48] <tony> thoreauputic, tried, nothing shows up.
[11:48] <tony> thoreauputic, lspnp is part of pcmcia-cs package, but seems to be broken.
[11:48] <Servo888> How would you go about installing a 'raw' ubuntu, with out the gnome interface?
[11:49] <EvilIdler> Kikyo1: Those installers normally manage to find the CD on their own. Try not mounting manually?
[11:49] <andreas_> Is there a RSS reader that shows the latest entries on the desktop?
[11:49] <andreas_> For KDE that is
[11:49] <tony> probably a million superkaramba themes, andreas.
[11:49] <LeeJunFan> Servo888: do a server install.
[11:49] <tony> andreas_, check kde-look.org
[11:49] <chavo> Servo888, you can do a server install, type server at the prompt
[11:49] <thoreauputic> tony: isapnptools is in universe on warty - you mean you already installed it and tried with no success?
[11:49] <Servo888> chavo, ok
[11:50] <tony> thoreauputic, i run hoary.
[11:50] <andreas_> tony: Never tried karamba before. Is it difficult?
[11:50] <thoreauputic> tony: it isn't in hoary universe??
[11:50] <tony> oh, universe. wait.
[11:50] <Kikyo1> EvilIdler: How do you mean not manually? Is there another way to mount ISO files? (Sorry I'm quite the newbie. :))
[11:50] <tony> andreas_, no, not if you find a working package.
[11:50] <burgermann> btw. I have a basic question to synaptic.. When I search for something, like apache, some installations seems to appear, but how does synaptic know about these installations?
[11:51] <andreas_> tony: any suggestions+
[11:51] <Bazzi-> burgermann it downloads information
[11:51] <thoreauputic> burgermann: from the updates
[11:51] <khantozavri> hey, guys, need your help
[11:51] <fraggsta> burgermann: it tends to download updated package information every day
[11:51] <EvilIdler> Kikyo1: Those installers base on LokiInstaller can find the CD-ROM themselves, at least in newer editions. If you type in mount commands, it might interfere with the installation
[11:51] <andreas_> tony: apt-get shows both karamba as well as superkaramba. Are they different programs+
[11:51] <tony> yes. karamba is not being developed anymore, afaik.
[11:52] <andreas_> ok
[11:52] <fraggsta> andreas_: use "apt-cache show <something>" as well as apt-cache search
[11:52] <burgermann> So none-experienced users actually only needs to learn about the way synaptic and apt-get works and they can install must common applications without building them first?
[11:52] <khantozavri> i've just installed fresh hoary rc1
[11:52] <Kikyo1> EvilIdler: The problem is, my CDs are dislocated. All I found was the BG2 manual, so I got my hands on the CDs in ISO-format until I can locate my CDs. So I can't put CDs in. :(
[11:52] <thoreauputic> burgermann: exactly
[11:53] <Kikyo1> EvilIdler: I have paid for the box in the past though.
[11:53] <burgermann> That's folking brilliant
[11:53] <khantozavri> and when I go to www.sapikhvno.org (which is in utf8 georgian language) i see only codes instead of font... how do I get it fixed?
[11:53] <burgermann> it beats windows by far... if it works that is :P
[11:53] <EvilIdler> Kikyo1: I've paid for those Bioware games twice in some cases :)
[11:54] <thoreauputic> burgermann: oh, it works alright
[11:54] <yfir> burgerman: it works. thank the Debian and apt people...
[11:54] <EvilIdler> Kikyo1: You could try copying all the contents of all the CDs to one directory
[11:54] <thoreauputic> burgermann: in fact it works *very* well
[11:54] <slask3n> does the repository described in "Method 0" in https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java , for warty work on hoary as well?
[11:54] <EvilIdler> Kikyo1: Running setup from that might treat it like the DVD edition
[11:54] <Artemis3> when is the release coming?
[11:54] <yfir> Artemis3: probably April 8th
[11:54] <queuetue> I apparently have a bad cd-rom drive (the cd is fine.) and the install keeps failing because it can't find packages, dropping me into the "expert" interface.  Is there some way to switch to a network install?
[11:54] <thoreauputic> Artemis3: about April 8th
[11:54] <Artemis3> thanks
[11:55] <Kikyo1> EvilIdler: Yeah I know they're worth it. :) But, I'm quite out of cash at the moment (Buying NWN the edition with all the expansions tomorrow) Then I'm broke for a week. Heh. Oh.. hmm, like extract ISO 1-4 in a folder and then put the .run file there?
[11:55] <Kikyo1> EvilIdler:  Because setup.exe complains about installshields ikernel.exe
[11:55] <EvilIdler> Kikyo1: Mount each ISO in turn, copy contents in same folder, do not overwrite
[11:56] <burgermann> Oki i'm making some selections in Synaptic and now it a dialog says its installing. It said the same thing when i "installed" gcc, but gcc wasn't really install at all. How does that work? Before I could use gcc I had to type something like apt-get [=something i can't remember, but worked] 
[11:56] <thoreauputic> burgermann: look for build-essential
[11:56] <EvilIdler> Kikyo1: Yeah, copy the .run to the dir afterwards and cross fingers
[11:56] <keffo> argh, im my memory is short.. if i downloaded a iconpackage
[11:56] <burgermann> Yea build-essential, that's it
[11:56] <tony> hooray, pnpdump!
[11:56] <keffo> where do i out this folder then?
[11:56] <Kikyo1> EvilIdler: Okey, thanks :) I'll give it a try! :)
[11:56] <yfir> Kikyol: sorry, a bit off topic, but does NWN have a linux version??
[11:56] <burgermann> Why doesn't synaptic do that by it self?
[11:57] <khantozavri> helllllooooooooooooooooo, anybody to give me a hand?
[11:57] <EvilIdler> Kikyo1: It worked for me with one edition of BG1, actually, so it's worth a try :)
[11:57] <thoreauputic> burgermann: gcc is only part of the packages for build-essential
[11:57] <thoreauputic> burgermann: e,g.  g ++ etc
[11:57] <Kikyo1> EvilIdler: Okay :)
[11:58] <yfir> khantozavri: what's the problem?
[11:58] <burgermann> Hmnn, don't get it and not sure I have to? :S.. well I selected apache in synaptic, it fetched some packages and seemed to install them.. what do I then do?
[11:59] <khantozavri> I can't see utf8 georgian font
[11:59] <khantozavri> I see codes instead of fonts... and keyboard types, but shows only codes not gimps