[12:14] how can i start karamba ? [12:14] put into .kde/env/ ? [12:18] gsuveg: alt+f2 > superkaramba [12:19] apokryphos: auto-start. sorry [12:20] gsuveg: (i) leave it open when you logout (KDE remembers open programs), or (ii) make a shortcut to it and place in ~/.kde/Autostart/ [12:20] apokryphos: 2nd is the best. thanks [12:21] np [12:21] apokryphos: but karamba not load themes ? right ? [12:29] gsuveg, no you have to tell it to load a theme [12:29] hmm. [12:30] if put the one file into start script ? [12:30] ehm.. is it just me.. or is the ubuntulinux.org wiki fucked? [12:30] HelpingKubuntu and my page is gone.. apparently.. [12:32] chavo: yepp. it works === Quinn_Storm [~quinn@68.68.116.136] has joined #kubuntu [12:37] back === membreya [~membreya@c211-28-78-53.sunsh3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu [12:37] uniq: yeah; wiki reset; have to re-add :( [12:37] uniq: how's it going for you, by the way? :) [12:45] well.. family stuff all day.. skiing and all. [12:46] work some for a friend of mine to morrow.. in arround 5 hours.. [12:47] setup some videoconference system. === OxDECAFBAD [~pepsi@72-254-34-87.client.stsn.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:11] it is possible to install kubuntu rc live on hd ? [01:11] esher, it's possible, but not very easy. === omni_lonnie [~lonnie@home.limbonia.com] has joined #kubuntu [01:14] esher: better to get install iso === TechLord [~jason@c68.115.87.182.roc.mn.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu === Zugot [~bryan@pcp0010860530pcs.longhl01.md.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:29] ok [01:30] i need an ubuntu color scheme for kde.. [01:32] Zugot: hmm [01:32] i've converted to my ubuntu box to kde [01:32] Zugot, http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=21720 [01:33] Zugot: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Colors [01:33] and i was starting to enjoy the ubuntu brown [01:33] thank ya [01:33] enjoy = brown ? hehe :) [01:33] oh right, see what you mean === segfault2k [loretito@pc-113-79-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:33] someones know what is the font used in kubuntu's logo? [01:33] the trouble with that kubuntu brown is that the icons don't go at all [01:33] yeah [01:34] segfault2k: there is no font as far as we've worked out, it's all hand made [01:34] the only font i really love is tahoma [01:34] i had to raid a windows box [01:34] ahha [01:34] Kabel! [01:34] Kabel really rocks [01:34] :D === segfault2k wants to do some kubuntu's artwork [01:35] segfault2k: yay! === segfault2k is the artwork "maintainer" of Konversation :P === e-motion [~sven@p5488CED2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu [01:37] segfault2k: got any groovy artistic ideas? [01:37] not yet, im thinking [01:38] the konqui's kubuntu logo rocks [01:38] chavo: thanks... i got the style installed [01:38] my job satisfaction has gone up since rebuilding my winxp to kubuntu [01:38] i've converted all my work boxes into ubuntu [01:38] and the one i actually have to run windows xp on runs under vmware [01:39] i've changed my 2 years old debian Sid to Kubuntu! [01:39] hehe segfault2k [01:39] i'm about to tackle k3b [01:39] i still love debian [01:39] all my servers are debian [01:39] i really like Ubuntu, because i dislike it because it contains, gnome, and Kubuntu is the perfection :D [01:39] i'm in charge or about 150 rhel servers [01:39] sorry my english again, im from chile [01:39] but i have ubuntu on my desktops [01:40] Zugot i pity you [01:40] rhel is awful [01:40] how ya find my nice berlin-hometown desk http://peer.me.uk/screen.png :) [01:40] i do all the rhel testing in vmware sessions [01:40] :) [01:40] photo taken from potsdamer platz :) [01:40] cartel_: we just send redhat a check for $150k [01:40] i have 140 debian firewalls and countless servers [01:40] they love us [01:40] esher, [01:40] gaim, xchat? [01:40] why? [01:40] Zugot: wow, what do you get for your $150k? [01:40] kopete and konversation are better :D [01:40] esher: Looks too gnomee :P [01:41] Riddell: anything we want [01:41] Riddell: they bend over backwards for us [01:41] i pity people who fell into the redhat trap [01:41] ah it ain't too bad [01:41] Zugot: could you tell them to support kde better :) [01:41] at least its linux and not win2k or win2k3 [01:41] when i was using redhat i had zero satisfaction [01:42] kopete ? i need fishencryption [01:42] Riddell: we don't use DE [01:42] :( [01:42] Riddell, you have the source of the kubuntu logo? [01:42] the top one (header) in kubuntu.org [01:42] these are webserver/appservers/dbs === segfault2k will make a Kubuntu logo with Kabel :P [01:43] segfault2k: what sort of source? [01:43] the logo [01:43] svg? [01:43] Zugot: how about giving 150k to kubuntu instead? [01:43] ahha [01:43] yeah! [01:44] Riddell: we dont need to, you have canonical backing ! [01:44] :) [01:44] heheheh [01:44] Zugot: how about giving 150k to debian! [01:44] ;) [01:44] cartel_: actually... he really doesn't... [01:44] cartel_: Kubuntu folks aren't being paid :/ [01:45] cartel_: pretty lame... I'm sure more would be involved if they were getting paid... [01:45] lunitik: thats sad. only the ubuntu monkeys? [01:45] segfault2k, do you know fishcrypt for "konversation" ? [01:45] segfault2k: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/kubuntu-final.svg [01:45] cartel_: yup [01:45] lunitik: no, I think they are. [01:45] apokryphos: they really aren't though... [01:45] Riddell, thanks [01:45] lunitik: none of the debian devels get paid... [01:45] :D [01:45] cartel_: we couldn't give anyone money to the government [01:46] lunitik: you sure? Someone mentioned that they are being paid, by dear Canonical (though, admittedly, this was on Slashdot). [01:46] er i work for the government and i need support [01:46] rhat and suse have the best support [01:46] cartel_: but they are all getting even pay... cuz no one gets paid enless its from private customers... [01:46] and thats why we had to chose them [01:46] Zugot: i pity you [01:46] apokryphos: yeah... uhh... slashdot kiddies know nothing. [01:46] don't pity me [01:46] i'm a government contractor [01:46] i eat good everyday [01:47] we give $100 from each server to debian [01:47] Riddell: are any of you being paid? =) [01:47] Zugot: DD? [01:47] no DoD [01:47] i work for a civilian agency [01:47] Zugot: wtf is DoD? [01:47] but i do work with folks for DoD [01:47] department of defence [01:47] darpa [01:47] apokryphos: you can't believe me huh? >:| [01:47] apokryphos: if I was wrong... he'd prolly correct me... [01:48] lunitik: I don't know :D [01:48] tension rising ;) [01:48] so heres the question [01:48] apokryphos: andreas is employed by canonical but mostly to work on the live CD, chris is employed by credativ and they are kubuntu supporters [01:48] do i give to kubuntu or to debian.. [01:48] apokryphos: Mark is basically paying for people to maintain _his_ desktop ... afaict [01:48] lunitik: well ;-) [01:49] cartel_: Debian... if they will accept it... (if you are talking about patches etc..) [01:49] cartel_: what would be uber cool is if someone payed for kubuntu shipit [01:49] Riddell: Ah, ok, thanks. === lunitik wishes the Kubuntu team would get involved with Debian Qt/KDE Maintainership.... [01:49] lunitik: so i should get keysigned debian debvel rather than work on kubuntu? [01:49] cartel_: or if someone paid Riddell here for all the hardwork ;-) [01:50] cartel_: like I said... if they accept you... its better to work there... as that is Kubuntu's upstream... [01:50] Riddell: I don't understand... why work on Kubuntu without being paid? Not accepted as a DD? [01:51] (not being ignorant... just don't understand what the draw is...) [01:51] lunitik: ok === moominski [~moominski@cpc3-belc1-6-0-cust78.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu [01:52] hello all [01:52] lunitik: there is nothing stopping them taking the packages from kubuntu.. [01:52] cartel_: you have to get someone to sponsor you... and answer some easy q's about packaging... [01:52] lunitik: becoming a DD is too much like hard work, here we get results (admitadly by using the hard work of the DDs of course:) [01:52] lunitik: i know the process :) [01:52] plus I get to go to Australia [01:52] cartel_: indeed... but its easier to get changes accepted if you are helping maintain in Debian itself :) [01:53] which means I'll know the plot lines for Neighbours 6 months in advance [01:53] cartel_: its more likely that your changes will go into Kubuntu via Debian than the other way around... [01:54] lunitik: once you are signed you can do anything you want as long as its in sid ;) [01:54] Riddell: More of an Eastenders fan ;-). Sad, I know. [01:54] lunitik: since (k)ubuntu checkpoints against sid then it will flow through.. === lunitik misses Eastenders :( [01:54] Riddell: bah... the hardest part is getting someone to sponsor you... have to annoy them with patches for a while :( [01:55] lunitik: join MOTU, it's much more easy [01:55] lunitik: you can just spam with packages until someone sponsors.. [01:55] Riddell: but there are a few people in here that would likely sponsor you... then you just have to show you are competent at making packages etc... and you're a DD [01:55] my sponsor is now a ubuntu convert :) [01:55] Riddell: MOTU is unlikely to get anywhere other than Universe though... I don't even think they give those changes back to Debian :/ [01:56] lunitik: there is no process in place for flow back [01:56] lunitik: there is a definate need for more MOTU debian developers to filter stuff back to debian [01:56] cartel_: true... hence why I recommend working with Debian directly... === pjw [~pjw@c36-200.icpnet.pl] has joined #kubuntu [01:58] Riddell: oh... ps... any chance you could patch kpackage for sudo? I really am not liking kynaptics interface (mainly those icons are out of place...) [01:58] debian should adopt ubuntu ;) [01:58] cartel_: would be cool if it was an official derived distro... like Debian-edu [01:58] lunitik: working with debian is tougher.. since your package must build on all archs [01:59] debian-edu == skolelinux [01:59] (which I think means School in Norwegian...) [02:00] where wud i find my xmms skin folder [02:00] Lot of hostility from many debian-users to Ubuntu ones :P [02:00] I wonder if they're annoyed about people in general forking their distro [02:02] apokryphos: I don't think they care... its a stated goal of Debian :/ [02:02] lunitik: interesting, didn't realise it used su, all patches happily accepted [02:02] apokryphos: they're more annoyed at their own inability not to do what ubuntu has done in my conversations with them [02:03] apokryphos: but they do get annoyed at users asking for help with ubuntu in [02:03] in #debian [02:03] Riddell: heh... I had to turn on my root account to use it... [02:03] Riddell: yes :D [02:03] Riddell: thats always been the case... used to be mainly Knoppix ... [02:03] hi all, i can't set screen size on 1280x1024. I installed Kubuntu for AMD64 [02:03] I asked a question some time ago (it was an apt question, really), but they found out I was using Ubuntu and told me to get lost, basically =) [02:03] Riddell: although, at least Ubuntu changes default channel stuff :) [02:03] (question wasn't related to Ubu specifically; just apt) [02:04] lunitik: on IRC clients? [02:04] pjw: HSync 30-60 VSync 50-100 ... set modes in 24 to 1280x1280 [02:04] pjw: should be set === owner [~owner@69-12-132-188.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:05] Riddell: yeah... [02:05] ok [02:05] Riddell: knoppix apps point you to #debian ... [02:05] lunitik: ah tsk, maybe we should set konversation to point to #kubuntu === lunitik notes he meant 1280x1024 [02:06] Riddell: prolly... right now, it only points to #kde (which is fine) [02:06] "/msg bots NOT people" -- why ever not? [02:07] Riddell: still haven't figured out how to make it let me register with nickserv though... [02:07] apokryphos: because its rude [02:07] apokryphos: enless you know them, you shouldn't /msg anyone on IRC [02:07] lunitik: opening a query with someone is rude? [02:07] apokryphos: yes... you don't know them [02:07] Well, there's a surprise. :) I don't consider it like that at all. [02:08] Riddell, [02:08] are you here? [02:08] apokryphos: you forget... IRC has been around much longer than AOL etc... it follows different rules... [02:09] Riddell, !! XD === pjw [~pjw@c36-200.icpnet.pl] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [02:09] lunitik: Seems really impractical to me to tell people to never /msg others unless they know them. Sometimes a query is far more quieter, don't have to worry about flooding etc. [02:10] Riddell, Riddell Riddell [02:10] (though, what constitutes to "knowing" someone? Do I know you? =)) [02:10] segfault2k: hello [02:10] apokryphos: see, but... if you don't know them... and you didn't ask... why do you consider yourself worthy enough of bothering them for help in private? [02:10] http://ktown.kde.cl/~segfault/kubuntu1600.png [02:10] Riddell, [02:10] apokryphos: no you don't [02:11] segfault2k: rocking [02:11] segfault2k, it would be nice to have one with transparency [02:11] segfault2k: wait there a sec... [02:11] i'll create a svg one [02:12] chavo: yes good point [02:12] too [02:12] hey apokyrphos, you're still here :) [02:12] :) [02:12] lunitik: I'm talking about say, helping someone out in a channel. It's reasonably loud, the newbie finds it daunting in big channel, so they query where they don't have to worry about flooding etc... I wouldn't find that rude. === owner is now known as loren [02:12] hi loren :) [02:12] XD [02:12] apokryphos: I usually /ignore people that /msg me without asking :/ [02:13] well i have to go [02:13] lunitik: ouch; never knew it was like that. Most things till now have suggested the opposite as far as I could see, but hey. :) [02:13] lunitik: for the record, you can /msg me anytime ;-) [02:14] apokryphos: heh... I just think it makes people seem like they are being pushy... like they expect us to help... asking first is just showing respect. [02:14] hey anyone know how to setup a bootsplash? i need to set em up over here [02:14] loren: did you check that link? [02:15] loren: you could go steal RH's 'rhgb' :) [02:15] lunitik: I guess. One of the greatest gifts in life is being able to understand how different people work/respond. :) === lunitik has gotten that working a few times... although not during this install... [02:15] if im installing a theme for xmms should i put it here, /usr/lib/xmms [02:15] yeah? i'll look into it lunitik, check that link apokryphos? hmmh, i thought that was a link to Kubuntu about Distribution updates correct? [02:16] apokryphos: they are the ones that need help though... so they are the ones that should try to understand how things work... not me... [02:16] loren: nope [02:16] oh? whoops apokryphos [02:16] Pyre: tell loren ububootsplash [02:16] loren: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8257 [02:16] thank you again Pyre [02:16] must have become lost [02:16] can any1 help [02:16] Pyre: talk [02:16] gdi... stupid bot... === lunitik misses apt :( [02:17] lunitik: still in progress :P [02:17] lunitik: I wasted about 20 mins one day playing with him =) [02:17] apokryphos: /j #debian-bots ... they have the entire database for apt/dpkg available ... decent start... then just edit things that don't apply :) [02:17] Pryre: the link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8257 does not register under Konqueror :( [02:18] i'll try firefox Pyre [02:18] loren: bah... talking to bots is silly ;) [02:18] ah it worked [02:18] loren: just checked it, it does. [02:18] Pyre is a bot? [02:18] 0_o [02:18] lunitik: sounds great :D [02:18] apokryphos: http://rzlab.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/branches/dpkg_trunk/?root=Blootbot [02:18] konquero doesn't firefox does apokryphos [02:19] loren: odd; just loaded in konq fine here [02:19] weird === Riddell announces the return of https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HelpingKubuntu [02:19] lunitik: hmm, so what's this here? [02:19] An error occurred while loading http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8257: [02:19] Unknown host ubuntuforums.org [02:19] err... [02:19] apokryphos: what I just said... dpkg's database :) [02:20] Since Wed Mar 30 07:15:45 2005, there have been 52 modifications, 2250 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 765 commands. I have been awake for 4d 17h 4m 18s this session, and currently reference 25320 factoids. I'm using about 16084 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1045.2/48.34 child 719.77/65.14 [02:20] apokryphos: note the factoids? thats a pretty good headstart :) [02:20] lunitik: no idea why I was momentarily confused with apt (bot)/ apt (package manager). :P [02:21] apokryphos: hah [02:22] lunitik: room full of bots, and no-one responded to my pleeful "hi" [02:24] apokryphos: heh... its just to set up bots yourself... useful info :) [02:24] apokryphos: sometimes dondelelcaro is active in there... and simonrvn is helpful sometimes too... [02:24] lunitik: Will have to read into, though admittedly this one is almost completely down to my brother :P. Little python programmer [02:25] :) [02:25] well, kde too ;-) === dannemare [~konversat@0x5358aaae.abnxx12.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu [02:29] Anybody noticed problems with the Ubuntu wiki? I seem to have lost everything I have added to the wiki past couple of days, including my own personal page. Everything is gone. [02:29] dannemare: i beleive its been rolled back to 0800 april 1 [02:30] owch [02:31] argh! any chance they might be able to recover additions from April 1 to today? [02:31] and why the roll back? === Zugot [~bryan@pcp0010860530pcs.longhl01.md.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:35] my k3b now burns mp3s [02:35] i can sleep good tonight [02:36] cool :) === apokryphos gets very excited about his first built .deb [02:36] Zugot: how did you do that? [02:37] %recall ubuk3bmp3 [02:37] apokryphos: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21044 | http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22766 === Riddell announces https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuArtwork [02:37] nice [02:37] hmm, we have a bot on the channel? [02:37] Anyone want to test the .deb? =) http://www.youmortals.com/stuff/ubuntu/krename_3.0.3-1_i386.deb [02:38] Riddell: yeah [02:43] Riddell: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=cb71afe82cc5845deb6675c4dac7dc60&p=111204&postcount=9 [02:43] so many ways ;-) === cartel_ kills dumbass ubuntu policy makers [02:46] free software mp3 decode NOT covered by patent... [02:46] neither is XviD [02:47] cartel_: it is covered by patents [02:48] whether or not those patents are valid is a matter of much debate [02:50] hmmm [02:50] is there gonna be a beagle equivalent for kde? [02:50] Zugot: kio-locate :) [02:51] Zugot: something might be based on klink, if klink ever exists [02:51] not quite [02:51] i want something that can search everything beagle can [02:51] from chat logs to emails to files [02:52] maybe i'll just install beagle [02:56] Riddell: To clarify, since the beginning of our mp3 licensing program in 1995, [02:56] Thomson has never charged a per unit royalty for freely distributed [02:56] software decoders. [02:57] how very generous of them. but it's still patented === Gangster` [~Gangster_@user-200-202-151-83.e7even.com] has joined #kubuntu [02:58] how about just moving ubuntu servers to !usa [02:58] no more patent worries :) [02:59] yes y not [02:59] usa is cool [02:59] cartel_: ubuntu servers are not in the USA, ubuntu not being USA based [02:59] its gotta be my major hate for linux distros that cripple various functionalities because of fear of patent litigations [02:59] because linux itself allegedly violates 226 patents [03:00] so its just going for the lesser of two evils [03:00] if you want to be free of patent litigation, dont use linux, dont use oss, in fact dont use a computer [03:00] in fact, im sure someone has a patent on breathing [03:00] linux is poo [03:00] Riddell: why remove noatun? [03:01] windows rules! [03:01] cartel_: because juk and amarok are better [03:01] Riddell: GNOME is better than KDE, why use kde? [03:01] ;) [03:01] cartel_: that is debateable [03:01] (but not here) [03:01] Riddell: so is juk vs noatun [03:02] juk cant use the vast numbers of winamp 2.2x skins [03:02] I've never seen anyone debate it, not even charles [03:02] why hasnt anyone got ops here? [03:02] maybe charles doesnt like noatun any more [03:02] because this channel is run by the quaker mafia who believe in equality [03:02] lol === alex323 [alex@ool-44c09f43.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:03] but whats to prevent idiots joining this chanell and spamming linux is crap! === regeya_ [~shane@dialup-4.159.59.56.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:04] lilo :) [03:05] Riddell: do you develop from kde? using kdevelop? [03:06] Gangster`: hopefully natural selection [03:07] cartel_: no, only Umbrello [03:07] Riddell: what do you use as platform for package development? [03:08] cartel_: emacs [03:12] Riddell: me too, but i migrated to kate/fish [03:12] Riddell: now i want to start using version control [03:13] kate and sftp is nice too [03:13] Riddell: but there is no kioslave for arch or svn [03:13] now i need a kde applet to report my cpu speed [03:13] Zugot: kcpuload [03:14] Zugot: or do you mean frequency slowing? [03:14] yup... [03:14] i'm running an amd64 chip [03:14] cartel_: develop has subversion support I believe [03:14] Zugot: write one! :) [03:14] i'm thinking i just do that [03:15] i haven't coded a kde app in a long time [03:15] yay [03:16] why was kubuntu name kubuntu? [03:16] *named [03:16] cause it uses kde [03:16] Gangster`: k + ubuntu [03:16] and uses ubuntu kernel [03:17] hmm interesting [03:17] am i right [03:17] Riddell: hmm should i even try using svn [03:18] moominski: pretty much [03:18] cartel_: if you want [03:18] i just dont seem to able to install themes icons or anything very confused [03:18] why is it better than windows, once a good friend of mine, who sadly became insane ..told me linux had over a 100 adavntages over windows.. can u plz tell me one [03:19] moominski: what's the problem? From kdelook you download and just pull in the tar.bz2 from kcontrol [03:19] Gangster`: it's Free Software [03:20] there is m8 im a noob but wot ive read about its just overall better than windows for possibilities [03:20] work it do as u plaese with it thats wot i gather [03:21] its yours [03:21] hardly an adavantage [03:21] *advantage [03:21] i'm going to install beagle now [03:21] maybe i'll whip up a kde interface for it as well [03:21] viruses are free [03:21] most of the time it sais invalid theme archive [03:22] maybe im downloading the wrong stuff [03:22] i must be [03:24] Gangster`: not produced by a megalomaniacal monopolistic corporation [03:24] Gangster`> its up to urself wot u think of linux if ur too blind to see its potential then wy are u here?? [03:24] moominski: i hesitate to suggest because he is a troll [03:25] lol maybe [03:25] iam not "too blind" more intrigued if anything, want to see the power of linux. [03:26] then take it easy my read alot and stick with it as i am doing even if its hard at first [03:27] hey all [03:27] Gangster`: get a linux distro and get hacking [03:27] hello [03:27] qtorrent don't work at all. [03:28] Gangster`> how long u have u had linux installed [03:28] 1 week [03:28] me 2 roughly [03:29] moominski: not sure what you're doing wrong; let's take an example [03:29] %kdelook Amaranth Altheae [03:29] Amaranth Altheae - http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=9781 [03:30]