[12:14] <gsuveg> how can i start karamba ?
[12:14] <gsuveg> put into .kde/env/ ?
[12:18] <apokryphos> gsuveg: alt+f2 > superkaramba
[12:19] <gsuveg> apokryphos: auto-start. sorry
[12:20] <apokryphos> gsuveg: (i) leave it open when you logout (KDE remembers open programs), or (ii) make a shortcut to it and place in ~/.kde/Autostart/
[12:20] <gsuveg> apokryphos: 2nd is the best. thanks
[12:21] <apokryphos> np
[12:21] <gsuveg> apokryphos: but karamba not load themes ? right ?
[12:29] <chavo> gsuveg, no you have to tell it to load a theme
[12:29] <gsuveg> hmm.
[12:30] <gsuveg> if put the one file into start script ?
[12:30] <uniq> ehm.. is it just me.. or is the ubuntulinux.org wiki fucked? 
[12:30] <uniq> HelpingKubuntu and my page is gone.. apparently.. 
[12:32] <gsuveg> chavo: yepp. it works
[12:37] <apokryphos> back
[12:37] <apokryphos> uniq: yeah; wiki reset; have to re-add :(
[12:37] <apokryphos> uniq: how's it going for you, by the way? :)
[12:45] <uniq> well.. family stuff all day.. skiing and all.
[12:46] <uniq> work some for a friend of mine to morrow.. in arround 5 hours.. 
[12:47] <uniq> setup some videoconference system.
[01:11] <esher> it is possible to install kubuntu rc live on hd ?
[01:11] <chavo> esher, it's possible, but not very easy.
[01:14] <gsuveg> esher: better to get install iso
[01:29] <esher> ok
[01:30] <Zugot> i need an ubuntu color scheme for kde..
[01:32] <Riddell> Zugot: hmm
[01:32] <Zugot> i've converted to my ubuntu box to kde
[01:32] <chavo> Zugot, http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=21720
[01:33] <Riddell> Zugot: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Colors
[01:33] <Zugot> and i was starting to enjoy the ubuntu brown
[01:33] <Zugot> thank ya
[01:33] <esher> enjoy = brown ? hehe :)
[01:33] <Riddell> oh right, see what you mean
[01:33] <segfault2k> someones know what is the font used in kubuntu's logo?
[01:33] <Riddell> the trouble with that kubuntu brown is that the icons don't go at all
[01:33] <Zugot> yeah
[01:34] <Riddell> segfault2k: there is no font as far as we've worked out, it's all hand made
[01:34] <Zugot> the only font i really love is tahoma 
[01:34] <Zugot> i had to raid a windows box
[01:34] <segfault2k> ahha
[01:34] <Riddell> Kabel!
[01:34] <segfault2k> Kabel really rocks
[01:34] <segfault2k> :D
[01:35] <Riddell> segfault2k: yay!
[01:37] <Riddell> segfault2k: got any groovy artistic ideas?
[01:37] <segfault2k> not yet, im thinking
[01:38] <segfault2k> the konqui's kubuntu logo rocks
[01:38] <Zugot> chavo: thanks... i got the style installed
[01:38] <cartel_> my job satisfaction has gone up since rebuilding my winxp to kubuntu
[01:38] <Zugot> i've converted all my work boxes into ubuntu
[01:38] <Zugot> and the one i actually have to run windows xp on runs under vmware
[01:39] <segfault2k> i've changed my 2 years old debian Sid to Kubuntu!
[01:39] <esher> hehe segfault2k 
[01:39] <Zugot> i'm about to tackle k3b
[01:39] <cartel_> i still love debian
[01:39] <cartel_> all my servers are debian
[01:39] <segfault2k> i really like Ubuntu, because i dislike it because it contains, gnome, and Kubuntu is the perfection :D
[01:39] <Zugot> i'm in charge or about 150 rhel servers
[01:39] <segfault2k> sorry my english again, im from chile
[01:39] <Zugot> but i have ubuntu on my desktops
[01:40] <cartel_> Zugot i pity you
[01:40] <cartel_> rhel is awful
[01:40] <esher> how ya find my nice berlin-hometown desk http://peer.me.uk/screen.png :)
[01:40] <Zugot> i do all the rhel testing in vmware sessions
[01:40] <cartel_> :)
[01:40] <esher> photo taken from potsdamer platz :)
[01:40] <Zugot> cartel_: we just send redhat a check for $150k
[01:40] <cartel_> i have 140 debian firewalls and countless servers
[01:40] <Zugot> they love us
[01:40] <segfault2k> esher, 
[01:40] <segfault2k> gaim, xchat?
[01:40] <segfault2k> why?
[01:40] <Riddell> Zugot: wow, what do you get for your $150k?
[01:40] <segfault2k> kopete and konversation are better :D
[01:40] <apokryphos> esher: Looks too gnomee :P
[01:41] <Zugot> Riddell: anything we want
[01:41] <Zugot> Riddell: they bend over backwards for us
[01:41] <cartel_> i pity people who fell into the redhat trap
[01:41] <Zugot> ah it ain't too bad
[01:41] <Riddell> Zugot: could you tell them to support kde better :)
[01:41] <Zugot> at least its linux and not win2k or win2k3
[01:41] <cartel_> when i was using redhat i had zero satisfaction
[01:42] <esher> kopete ? i need fishencryption
[01:42] <Zugot> Riddell: we don't use DE
[01:42] <esher> :(
[01:42] <segfault2k> Riddell, you have the source of the kubuntu logo?
[01:42] <segfault2k> the top one (header) in kubuntu.org
[01:42] <Zugot> these are webserver/appservers/dbs
[01:43] <Riddell> segfault2k: what sort of source?
[01:43] <segfault2k> the logo
[01:43] <segfault2k> svg?
[01:43] <Riddell> Zugot: how about giving 150k to kubuntu instead?
[01:43] <segfault2k> ahha
[01:43] <segfault2k> yeah!
[01:44] <cartel_> Riddell: we dont need to, you have canonical backing !
[01:44] <cartel_> :)
[01:44] <cartel_> heheheh
[01:44] <cartel_> Zugot: how about giving 150k to debian!
[01:44] <cartel_> ;)
[01:44] <lunitik> cartel_: actually... he really doesn't...
[01:44] <lunitik> cartel_: Kubuntu folks aren't being paid  :/
[01:45] <lunitik> cartel_: pretty lame... I'm sure more would be involved if they were getting paid...
[01:45] <cartel_> lunitik: thats sad. only the ubuntu monkeys?
[01:45] <esher> segfault2k, do you know fishcrypt for "konversation" ?
[01:45] <Riddell> segfault2k: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/kubuntu-final.svg
[01:45] <lunitik> cartel_: yup
[01:45] <apokryphos> lunitik: no, I think they are.
[01:45] <lunitik> apokryphos: they really aren't though...
[01:45] <segfault2k> Riddell, thanks
[01:45] <cartel_> lunitik: none of the debian devels get paid...
[01:45] <segfault2k> :D
[01:45] <Zugot> cartel_: we couldn't give anyone money to the government
[01:46] <apokryphos> lunitik: you sure? Someone mentioned that they are being paid, by dear Canonical (though, admittedly, this was on Slashdot).
[01:46] <Zugot> er i work for the government and i need support
[01:46] <Zugot> rhat and suse have the best support
[01:46] <lunitik> cartel_: but they are all getting even pay... cuz no one gets paid enless its from private customers...
[01:46] <Zugot> and thats why we had to chose them
[01:46] <cartel_> Zugot: i pity you
[01:46] <lunitik> apokryphos: yeah... uhh... slashdot kiddies know nothing.
[01:46] <Zugot> don't pity me
[01:46] <Zugot> i'm a government contractor
[01:46] <Zugot> i eat good everyday
[01:47] <cartel_> we give $100 from each server to debian
[01:47] <apokryphos> Riddell: are any of you being paid? =)
[01:47] <lunitik> Zugot: DD?
[01:47] <Zugot> no DoD
[01:47] <Zugot> i work for a civilian agency
[01:47] <lunitik> Zugot: wtf is DoD?
[01:47] <Zugot> but i do work with folks for DoD
[01:47] <cartel_> department of defence
[01:47] <cartel_> darpa
[01:47] <lunitik> apokryphos: you can't believe me huh?  >:|
[01:47] <lunitik> apokryphos: if I was wrong... he'd prolly correct me...
[01:48] <apokryphos> lunitik: I don't know :D
[01:48] <apokryphos> tension rising ;)
[01:48] <cartel_> so heres the question
[01:48] <Riddell> apokryphos: andreas is employed by canonical but mostly to work on the live CD, chris is employed by credativ and they are kubuntu supporters
[01:48] <cartel_> do i give to kubuntu or to debian..
[01:48] <lunitik> apokryphos: Mark is basically paying for people to maintain _his_ desktop ... afaict
[01:48] <apokryphos> lunitik: well ;-)
[01:49] <lunitik> cartel_: Debian... if they will accept it... (if you are talking about patches etc..)
[01:49] <Riddell> cartel_: what would be uber cool is if someone payed for kubuntu shipit
[01:49] <apokryphos> Riddell: Ah, ok, thanks.
[01:49] <cartel_> lunitik: so i should get keysigned debian debvel rather than work on kubuntu?
[01:49] <apokryphos> cartel_: or if someone paid Riddell here for all the hardwork ;-)
[01:50] <lunitik> cartel_: like I said... if they accept you... its better to work there... as that is Kubuntu's upstream...
[01:50] <lunitik> Riddell: I don't understand... why work on Kubuntu without being paid? Not accepted as a DD?
[01:51] <lunitik> (not being ignorant... just don't understand what the draw is...)
[01:51] <cartel_> lunitik: ok
[01:52] <moominski> hello all
[01:52] <cartel_> lunitik: there is nothing stopping them taking the packages from kubuntu..
[01:52] <lunitik> cartel_: you have to get someone to sponsor you... and answer some easy q's about packaging...
[01:52] <Riddell> lunitik: becoming a DD is too much like hard work, here we get results (admitadly by using the hard work of the DDs of course:)
[01:52] <cartel_> lunitik: i know the process :)
[01:52] <Riddell> plus I get to go to Australia
[01:52] <lunitik> cartel_: indeed... but its easier to get changes accepted if you are helping maintain in Debian itself  :)
[01:53] <Riddell> which means I'll know the plot lines for Neighbours 6 months in advance
[01:53] <lunitik> cartel_: its more likely that your changes will go into Kubuntu via Debian than the other way around...
[01:54] <cartel_> lunitik: once you are signed you can do anything you want as long as its in sid ;)
[01:54] <apokryphos> Riddell: More of an Eastenders fan ;-). Sad, I know.
[01:54] <cartel_> lunitik: since (k)ubuntu checkpoints against sid then it will flow through..
[01:54] <lunitik> Riddell: bah... the hardest part is getting someone to sponsor you... have to annoy them with patches for a while  :(
[01:55] <Riddell> lunitik: join MOTU, it's much more easy
[01:55] <cartel_> lunitik: you can just spam with packages until someone sponsors..
[01:55] <lunitik> Riddell: but there are a few people in here that would likely sponsor you... then you just have to show you are competent at making packages etc... and you're a DD
[01:55] <cartel_> my sponsor is now a ubuntu convert :)
[01:55] <lunitik> Riddell: MOTU is unlikely to get anywhere other than Universe though... I don't even think they give those changes back to Debian  :/
[01:56] <cartel_> lunitik: there is no process in place for flow back
[01:56] <Riddell> lunitik: there is a definate need for more MOTU debian developers to filter stuff back to debian
[01:56] <lunitik> cartel_: true... hence why I recommend working with Debian directly...
[01:58] <lunitik> Riddell: oh... ps... any chance you could patch kpackage for sudo? I really am not liking kynaptics interface (mainly those icons are out of place...)
[01:58] <cartel_> debian should adopt ubuntu ;)
[01:58] <lunitik> cartel_: would be cool if it was an official derived distro... like Debian-edu
[01:58] <cartel_> lunitik: working with debian is tougher.. since your package must build on all archs
[01:59] <lunitik> debian-edu == skolelinux
[01:59] <lunitik> (which I think means School in Norwegian...)
[02:00] <moominski> where wud i find my xmms skin folder
[02:00] <apokryphos> Lot of hostility from many debian-users to Ubuntu ones :P
[02:00] <apokryphos> I wonder if they're annoyed about people in general forking their distro
[02:02] <lunitik> apokryphos: I don't think they care... its a stated goal of Debian  :/
[02:02] <Riddell> lunitik: interesting, didn't realise it used su, all patches happily accepted
[02:02] <Riddell> apokryphos: they're more annoyed at their own inability not to do what ubuntu has done in my conversations with them
[02:03] <Riddell> apokryphos: but they do get annoyed at users asking for help with ubuntu in 
[02:03] <Riddell> in #debian
[02:03] <lunitik> Riddell: heh... I had to turn on my root account to use it... 
[02:03] <apokryphos> Riddell: yes :D
[02:03] <lunitik> Riddell: thats always been the case... used to be mainly Knoppix ...
[02:03] <pjw> hi all, i can't set screen size on 1280x1024. I installed Kubuntu for AMD64
[02:03] <apokryphos> I asked a question some time ago (it was an apt question, really), but they found out I was using Ubuntu and told me to get lost, basically =)
[02:03] <lunitik> Riddell: although, at least Ubuntu changes default channel stuff  :)
[02:03] <apokryphos> (question wasn't related to Ubu specifically; just apt)
[02:04] <Riddell> lunitik: on IRC clients?
[02:04] <lunitik> pjw: HSync 30-60 VSync 50-100 ... set modes in 24 to 1280x1280
[02:04] <lunitik> pjw: should be set
[02:05] <lunitik> Riddell: yeah...
[02:05] <pjw> ok
[02:05] <lunitik> Riddell: knoppix apps point you to #debian ...
[02:05] <Riddell> lunitik: ah tsk, maybe we should set konversation to point to #kubuntu
[02:06] <lunitik> Riddell: prolly... right now, it only points to #kde (which is fine)
[02:06] <apokryphos> "/msg bots NOT people" -- why ever not?
[02:07] <lunitik> Riddell: still haven't figured out how to make it let me register with nickserv though...
[02:07] <lunitik> apokryphos: because its rude
[02:07] <lunitik> apokryphos: enless you know them, you shouldn't /msg anyone on IRC
[02:07] <apokryphos> lunitik: opening a query with someone is rude?
[02:07] <lunitik> apokryphos: yes... you don't know them
[02:07] <apokryphos> Well, there's a surprise. :) I don't consider it like that at all.
[02:08] <segfault2k> Riddell, 
[02:08] <segfault2k> are you here?
[02:08] <lunitik> apokryphos: you forget... IRC has been around much longer than AOL etc... it follows different rules...
[02:09] <segfault2k> Riddell, !! XD
[02:09] <apokryphos> lunitik: Seems really impractical to me to tell people to never /msg others unless they know them. Sometimes a query is far more quieter, don't have to worry about flooding etc.
[02:10] <segfault2k> Riddell, Riddell Riddell 
[02:10] <apokryphos> (though, what constitutes to "knowing" someone? Do I know you? =))
[02:10] <Riddell> segfault2k: hello
[02:10] <lunitik> apokryphos: see, but... if you don't know them... and you didn't ask... why do you consider yourself worthy enough of bothering them for help in private?
[02:10] <segfault2k> http://ktown.kde.cl/~segfault/kubuntu1600.png 
[02:10] <segfault2k> Riddell, 
[02:10] <lunitik> apokryphos: no you don't
[02:11] <Riddell> segfault2k: rocking
[02:11] <chavo> segfault2k, it would be nice to have one with transparency
[02:11] <Riddell> segfault2k: wait there a sec...
[02:11] <segfault2k> i'll create a svg one
[02:12] <Riddell> chavo: yes good point
[02:12] <segfault2k> too
[02:12] <owner> hey apokyrphos, you're still here :)
[02:12] <owner> :)
[02:12] <apokryphos> lunitik: I'm talking about say, helping someone out in a channel. It's reasonably loud, the newbie finds it daunting in big channel, so they query where they don't have to worry about flooding etc... I wouldn't find that rude. 
[02:12] <apokryphos> hi loren :)
[02:12] <loren> XD
[02:12] <lunitik> apokryphos: I usually /ignore people that /msg me without asking  :/
[02:13] <segfault2k> well i have to go
[02:13] <apokryphos> lunitik: ouch; never knew it was like that. Most things till now have suggested the opposite as far as I could see, but hey. :)
[02:13] <apokryphos> lunitik: for the record, you can /msg me anytime ;-)
[02:14] <lunitik> apokryphos: heh... I just think it makes people seem like they are being pushy... like they expect us to help... asking first is just showing respect.
[02:14] <loren> hey anyone know how to setup a bootsplash? i need to set em up over here
[02:14] <apokryphos> loren: did you check that link? 
[02:15] <lunitik> loren: you could go steal RH's 'rhgb'  :)
[02:15] <apokryphos> lunitik: I guess. One of the greatest gifts in life is being able to understand how different people work/respond. :)
[02:15] <moominski> if im installing a theme for xmms should i put it here, /usr/lib/xmms
[02:15] <loren> yeah? i'll look into it lunitik, check that link apokryphos? hmmh, i thought that was a link to Kubuntu about Distribution updates correct?
[02:16] <lunitik> apokryphos: they are the ones that need help though... so they are the ones that should try to understand how things work... not me...
[02:16] <apokryphos> loren: nope
[02:16] <loren> oh? whoops apokryphos
[02:16] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell loren ububootsplash
[02:16] <Pyre> loren: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8257
[02:16] <loren> thank you again Pyre
[02:16] <loren> must have become lost
[02:16] <moominski> can any1 help
[02:16] <lunitik> Pyre: talk
[02:16] <lunitik> gdi... stupid bot...
[02:17] <apokryphos> lunitik: still in progress :P
[02:17] <apokryphos> lunitik: I wasted about 20 mins one day playing with him =)
[02:17] <lunitik> apokryphos: /j #debian-bots ... they have the entire database for apt/dpkg available ... decent start... then just edit things that don't apply  :)
[02:17] <loren> Pryre: the link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8257 does not register under Konqueror :(
[02:18] <loren> i'll try firefox Pyre
[02:18] <lunitik> loren: bah... talking to bots is silly  ;)
[02:18] <loren> ah it worked
[02:18] <apokryphos> loren: just checked it, it does.
[02:18] <loren> Pyre is a bot?
[02:18] <loren> 0_o
[02:18] <apokryphos> lunitik: sounds great :D
[02:18] <lunitik> apokryphos: http://rzlab.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/branches/dpkg_trunk/?root=Blootbot
[02:18] <loren> konquero doesn't firefox does apokryphos
[02:19] <apokryphos> loren: odd; just loaded in konq fine here
[02:19] <loren> weird
[02:19] <apokryphos> lunitik: hmm, so what's this here?
[02:19] <loren> An error occurred while loading http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8257:
[02:19] <loren> Unknown host ubuntuforums.org
[02:19] <apokryphos> err...
[02:19] <lunitik> apokryphos: what I just said... dpkg's database  :)
[02:20] <lunitik> Since Wed Mar 30 07:15:45 2005, there have been 52 modifications, 2250 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 765 commands. I have been awake for 4d 17h 4m 18s this session, and currently reference 25320 factoids. I'm using about 16084 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1045.2/48.34 child 719.77/65.14
[02:20] <lunitik> apokryphos: note the factoids?   thats a pretty good headstart  :)
[02:20] <apokryphos> lunitik: no idea why I was momentarily confused with apt (bot)/ apt (package manager). :P
[02:21] <lunitik> apokryphos: hah
[02:22] <apokryphos> lunitik: room full of bots, and no-one responded to my pleeful "hi" 
[02:24] <lunitik> apokryphos: heh... its just to set up bots yourself... useful info  :)
[02:24] <lunitik> apokryphos: sometimes dondelelcaro is active in there... and simonrvn is helpful sometimes too...
[02:24] <apokryphos> lunitik: Will have to read into, though admittedly this one is almost completely down to my brother :P. Little python programmer
[02:25] <lunitik> :)
[02:25] <apokryphos> well, kde too ;-)
[02:29] <dannemare> Anybody noticed problems with the Ubuntu wiki? I seem to have lost everything I have added to the wiki past couple of days, including my own personal page. Everything is gone.
[02:29] <cartel_> dannemare: i beleive its been rolled back to 0800 april 1
[02:30] <loren> owch
[02:31] <dannemare> argh! any chance they might be able to recover additions from April 1 to today?
[02:31] <dannemare> and why the roll back?
[02:35] <Zugot> my k3b now burns mp3s
[02:35] <Zugot> i can sleep good tonight
[02:36] <apokryphos> cool :)
[02:36] <Riddell> Zugot: how did you do that?
[02:37] <apokryphos> %recall ubuk3bmp3
[02:37] <Pyre> apokryphos: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21044 | http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22766
[02:37] <apokryphos> nice
[02:37] <Riddell> hmm, we have a bot on the channel?
[02:37] <apokryphos> Anyone want to test the .deb? =) http://www.youmortals.com/stuff/ubuntu/krename_3.0.3-1_i386.deb 
[02:38] <apokryphos> Riddell: yeah
[02:43] <Zugot> Riddell: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=cb71afe82cc5845deb6675c4dac7dc60&p=111204&postcount=9
[02:43] <apokryphos> so many ways ;-)
[02:46] <cartel_> free software mp3 decode NOT covered by patent...
[02:46] <cartel_> neither is XviD
[02:47] <Riddell> cartel_: it is covered by patents
[02:48] <Riddell> whether or not those patents are valid is a matter of much debate
[02:50] <Zugot> hmmm
[02:50] <Zugot> is there gonna be a beagle equivalent for kde?
[02:50] <Riddell> Zugot: kio-locate :)
[02:51] <Riddell> Zugot: something might be based on klink, if klink ever exists
[02:51] <Zugot> not quite
[02:51] <Zugot> i want something that can search everything beagle can
[02:51] <Zugot> from chat logs to emails to files
[02:52] <Zugot> maybe i'll just install beagle
[02:56] <cartel_> Riddell: To clarify, since the beginning of our mp3 licensing program in 1995, 
[02:56] <cartel_> Thomson has never charged a per unit royalty for freely distributed 
[02:56] <cartel_> software decoders.
[02:57] <Riddell> how very generous of them.  but it's still patented
[02:58] <cartel_> how about just moving ubuntu servers to !usa
[02:58] <cartel_> no more patent worries :)
[02:59] <Gangster`> yes y not
[02:59] <Gangster`> usa is cool
[02:59] <Riddell> cartel_: ubuntu servers are not in the USA, ubuntu not being USA based
[02:59] <cartel_> its gotta be my major hate for linux distros that cripple various functionalities because of fear of patent litigations
[02:59] <cartel_> because linux itself allegedly violates 226 patents
[03:00] <cartel_> so its just going for the lesser of two evils
[03:00] <cartel_> if you want to be free of patent litigation, dont use linux, dont use oss, in fact dont use a computer
[03:00] <cartel_> in fact, im sure someone has a patent on breathing
[03:00] <Gangster`> linux is poo
[03:00] <cartel_> Riddell: why remove noatun?
[03:01] <Gangster`> windows rules!
[03:01] <Riddell> cartel_: because juk and amarok are better
[03:01] <cartel_> Riddell: GNOME is better than KDE, why use kde?
[03:01] <cartel_> ;)
[03:01] <Riddell> cartel_: that is debateable
[03:01] <Riddell> (but not here)
[03:01] <cartel_> Riddell: so is juk vs noatun
[03:02] <cartel_> juk cant use the vast numbers of winamp 2.2x skins
[03:02] <Riddell> I've never seen anyone debate it, not even charles
[03:02] <Gangster`> why hasnt anyone got ops here?
[03:02] <cartel_> maybe charles doesnt like noatun any more
[03:02] <Riddell> because this channel is run by the quaker mafia who believe in equality
[03:02] <Gangster`> lol
[03:03] <Gangster`> but whats to prevent idiots joining this chanell and spamming linux is crap!
[03:04] <Riddell> lilo :)
[03:05] <cartel_> Riddell: do you develop from kde? using kdevelop?
[03:06] <cartel_> Gangster`: hopefully natural selection
[03:07] <Riddell> cartel_: no, only Umbrello
[03:07] <cartel_> Riddell: what do you use as platform for package development?
[03:08] <Riddell> cartel_: emacs
[03:12] <cartel_> Riddell: me too, but i migrated to kate/fish
[03:12] <cartel_> Riddell: now i want to start using version control
[03:13] <Riddell> kate and sftp is nice too
[03:13] <cartel_> Riddell: but there is no kioslave for arch or svn
[03:13] <Zugot> now i need a kde applet to report my cpu speed
[03:13] <Riddell> Zugot: kcpuload
[03:14] <Riddell> Zugot: or do you mean frequency slowing?
[03:14] <Zugot> yup...
[03:14] <Zugot> i'm running an amd64 chip
[03:14] <Riddell> cartel_: develop has subversion support I believe
[03:14] <Riddell> Zugot: write one! :)
[03:14] <Zugot> i'm thinking i just do that
[03:15] <Zugot> i haven't coded a kde app in a long time
[03:15] <Riddell> yay
[03:16] <Gangster`> why was kubuntu name kubuntu?
[03:16] <Gangster`> *named
[03:16] <moominski> cause it uses kde
[03:16] <cartel_> Gangster`: k + ubuntu
[03:16] <moominski> and uses ubuntu kernel
[03:17] <Gangster`> hmm interesting
[03:17] <moominski> am i right
[03:17] <cartel_> Riddell: hmm should i even try using svn
[03:18] <Riddell> moominski: pretty much
[03:18] <Riddell> cartel_: if you want
[03:18] <moominski> i just dont seem to able to install themes icons or anything very confused
[03:18] <Gangster`> why is it better than windows, once a good friend of mine, who sadly became insane ..told me linux had over a 100 adavntages over windows.. can u plz tell me one 
[03:19] <apokryphos> moominski: what's the problem? From kdelook you download and just pull in the tar.bz2 from kcontrol
[03:19] <Riddell> Gangster`: it's Free Software
[03:20] <moominski> there is m8 im a noob but wot ive read about its just overall better than windows for possibilities
[03:20] <moominski> work it do as u plaese with it thats wot i gather
[03:21] <moominski> its yours
[03:21] <Gangster`> hardly an adavantage 
[03:21] <Gangster`> *advantage
[03:21] <Zugot> i'm going to install beagle now
[03:21] <Zugot> maybe i'll whip up a kde interface for it as well
[03:21] <Gangster`> viruses are free 
[03:21] <moominski> most of the time it sais invalid theme archive
[03:22] <moominski> maybe im downloading the wrong stuff
[03:22] <moominski> i must be
[03:24] <cartel_> Gangster`: not produced by a megalomaniacal monopolistic corporation
[03:24] <moominski> Gangster`>  its up to urself wot u think of linux if ur too blind to see its potential then wy are u here??
[03:24] <cartel_> moominski: i hesitate to suggest because he is a troll
[03:25] <moominski> lol maybe
[03:25] <Gangster`> iam not "too blind" more intrigued if anything, want to see the power of linux.
[03:26] <moominski> then take it easy my read alot and stick with it as i am doing even if its hard at first
[03:27] <Roey> hey all
[03:27] <cartel_> Gangster`: get a linux distro and get hacking
[03:27] <moominski> hello
[03:27] <Roey> qtorrent don't work at all.
[03:28] <moominski> Gangster`>  how long u have u had linux installed
[03:28] <Gangster`> 1 week
[03:28] <moominski> me 2 roughly 
[03:29] <apokryphos> moominski: not sure what you're doing wrong; let's take an example
[03:29] <apokryphos> %kdelook Amaranth Altheae
[03:29] <Pyre> Amaranth Altheae - http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=9781
[03:30] <apokryphos> moominski: download that, then in kcontrol go to Appearance & Themes > Icons > Install New Theme
[03:32] <moominski> apokryphos> ill try and let u no m8 ok
[03:35] <moominski> that transparincey gudie worked a treat btw
[03:35] <moominski> cant even spell lol
[03:35] <Roey> where can I put in a bug report? qtorrent doesn't work.
[03:36] <apokryphos> moominski: cool
[03:36] <Brazmetal> the apmd and acpid daemon are really needed?
[03:37] <Riddell> Roey: malone maybe
[03:38] <Riddell> Roey: not sure, it's universe
[03:38] <Riddell> Roey: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ReportingKubuntuBugs
[03:39] <moominski> apokryphos> is cedega good
[03:39] <Brazmetal> can someone here explain what is the purpose of the acpid and apmd daemons ?
[03:40] <Roey> Riddell:  thanks.
[03:41] <moominski> apokryphos>  omg m8 it worked how come ive tryed so many yet u give me 1 and it works straight away
[03:42] <moominski> thats linux for ya
[03:42] <apokryphos> :)
[03:43] <Riddell> Brazmetal: power management
[03:43] <moominski> superb icons m8
[03:52] <Brazmetal> Riddell: but what exactly? do I need them ?
[03:53] <Gangster`> UBUNTU SUCKS! SO DOES LINUX! AND SO DO YOU PPL! GO GET HOBBIES AND STOP MAKING SILLY LITTLE SOFTWARE ... WINDOWS RULES! SO DOES SPAM!! 
[03:53] <Gangster`> iam not "too blind" more intrigued if anything, want to see the power of linux.
[03:53] <Gangster`> UBUNTU SUCKS! SO DOES LINUX! AND SO DO YOU PPL! GO GET HOBBIES AND STOP MAKING SILLY LITTLE SOFTWARE ... WINDOWS RULES! SO DOES SPAM!! 
[03:53] <Gangster`> UBUNTU SUCKS! SO DOES LINUX! AND SO DO YOU PPL! GO GET HOBBIES AND STOP MAKING SILLY LITTLE SOFTWARE ... WINDOWS RULES! SO DOES SPAM!! 
[03:53] <Gangster`> UBUNTU SUCKS! SO DOES LINUX! AND SO DO YOU PPL! GO GET HOBBIES AND STOP MAKING SILLY LITTLE SOFTWARE ... WINDOWS RULES! SO DOES SPAM!! 
[03:53] <Gangster`> UBUNTU SUCKS! SO DOES LINUX! AND SO DO YOU PPL! GO GET HOBBIES AND STOP MAKING SILLY LITTLE SOFTWARE ... WINDOWS RULES! SO DOES SPAM!! 
[03:53] <Gangster`> UBUNTU SUCKS! SO DOES LINUX! AND SO DO YOU PPL! GO GET HOBBIES AND STOP MAKING SILLY LITTLE SOFTWARE ... WINDOWS RULES! SO DOES SPAM!! 
[03:53] <apokryphos> argh
[03:53] <Riddell> Brazmetal: depends if you want power management or not
[03:54] <Riddell> apokryphos: maybe you should tell your friend you use AOL :)
[03:54] <Brazmetal> what an idiot
[03:54] <Brazmetal> Riddell: what kind of power management? I'm running a desktop...
[03:55] <apokryphos> Riddell: heh; yeah, sorry. Though, he's not my friend. ;-)
[03:55] <Riddell> Brazmetal: suspend to ram
[04:05] <Brazmetal> Riddell: but this features aren't on the acpi and apm modules ?
[04:06] <delltony_> hey whats a good firewall (gui) for kubuntu?
[04:07] <Riddell> Brazmetal: acpi and apm support various features
[04:07] <Riddell> delltony_: kubuntu needs no firewall, it's security is perfect in every way
[04:08] <delltony_> ok then let me run this by you and i thought linux was secure but i wanted to ask 
[04:08] <moominski> any1 no how to install xmms themes
[04:08] <delltony_> so i know for a fact
[04:08] <delltony_> dmz to linux yes or no
[04:08] <Brazmetal> Riddell: I know man... i want to now if it's needed to be runnin this daemons....If the modules acpi and apm are loaded
[04:08] <delltony_> i just get tired of changing my freakin ports all the time on my router
[04:09] <delltony_> i was thinking of just putting this pc on dmz and calling it a day
[04:09] <Riddell> Brazmetal: probably not
[04:09] <delltony_> yes i have the ip static but new apps require forwarded ports so i just get tired of the forwarding :)
[04:10] <delltony_> riddell how about virus protect yes or no?
[04:10] <Riddell> delltony_: go ahead if you can find any program which does it
[04:11] <moominski> can any1 help me inatall xmms theme plz
[04:11] <delltony_> fair enough i get the hint
[04:11] <delltony_> thanks for you time
[04:22] <closure> moominski, apt-get install xmms
[04:27] <moominski> closure>  i have xmms installed m8 i just cant install any theme for it
[04:27] <closure> oh
[04:27] <closure> i didn't see the theme part
[04:27] <moominski> can u help
[04:28] <closure> you sudo extract the archive to whatever the theme folder is
[04:28] <closure> google xmms theme
[04:28] <closure> if you figure it out let me know
[04:28] <moominski> god knows where that folder is m8
[04:28] <moominski> lol
[04:29] <StR> hi there
[04:30] <moominski> hello
[04:30] <chavo> moominski, just put them in ~/.xmms/Skins
[04:31] <StR> what pkgs are still not in kubuntu?
[04:32] <chavo> StR, all KDE packages are in.
[04:35] <moominski> right wots the command to extract to a folder
[04:36] <chavo> moominski, tar xzf -C /path/to/folder
[04:36] <closure> tar -xvf /path
[04:36] <closure> that tooi guess
[04:36] <moominski> lol witch 1
[04:36] <closure> do the first on
[04:36] <closure> e
[04:37] <moominski> ok
[04:37] <closure> xzf -C
[04:37] <StR> moominski: it depends on the type of file
[04:37] <StR> moominski: tar.gz:  uset tar -zxf file -C /path
[04:37] <moominski> its zip
[04:37] <StR> moominski: tar.bz2:  uset tar -jxf file -C /path
[04:38] <chavo> moominski, xmms can use the skins zipped up.
[04:38] <moominski> wot do u mean
[04:38] <chavo> just put the zip in there, it will unzip it into tmp folder
[04:38] <StR> moominski: .zip use unzip file -d /path
[04:38] <StR> who is using xmms?
[04:39] <moominski> me
[04:39] <chavo> moominski is
[04:39] <chavo> why? I really couldn't say.
[04:39] <moominski> im confused to much info at once sorry
[04:39] <StR> moominski: 1)  don't use xmms ... use amarok... it is better.. .MUCH better
[04:40] <chavo> sorry man, just put the zip files in ~/.xmms/Skins
[04:40] <StR> moominski: 2) if you still want to use xmms:  just copy the .zip file in the ~/.xmms/Skins ... it will unzip it for you
[04:40] <moominski> its the only program i can get to play radio streams all the others seem to freeze and im such a noob at this that i dont no how to fix them
[04:41] <StR> moominski: 3) if you still want to unzip  a .zip file use   "unzip file.zip  -d /where/to/unzip/it"
[04:41] <moominski> i wud use amarok but its freezes up
[04:42] <closure> don't listen to them moominski xmms is far better than a iTunes rip off
[04:42] <moominski> can u help with that and ill throw xmms in the bin
[04:42] <closure> err an*
[04:42] <StR> moominski: amarok can play radio streams,  it even has some radios ...
[04:42] <closure> StR, so can xmms
[04:42] <moominski> yeah 
[04:42] <closure> aamrok is complicating a simple audio program
[04:43] <moominski> amarok just locks up on wy i dont no
[04:43] <moominski> me
[04:44] <StR> closure: 1) amarok is kde best player  .. xmms is gtk.. so it sucks....
[04:45] <closure> alright you can believe what you want
[04:45] <moominski> omg linux crashed 
[04:45] <StR> closure: 2) amarok is better for managing a very hi number of files...     80G for xmms is not posible..  ;)
[04:45] <moominski> ahhh
[04:46] <closure> you don't manage your files with your program
[04:46] <closure> sort them yourself
[04:46] <closure> and play that way
[04:46] <moominski> yeah
[04:46] <StR> closure: why should I sort them when a progran can do that for me, and faster
[04:46] <moominski> go on give to em lol
[04:46] <closure> because it will never do it as well
[04:47] <closure> unless you wrote the program to do it for you
[04:47] <closure> plus if you have 80g of files
[04:47] <closure> you should have albums
[04:47] <closure> and in such case they should be organized by album
[04:47] <closure> and in individual folders
[04:47] <closure> thus you wouldn't need the program to do it for you
[04:48] <moominski> so there! lol
[04:48] <moominski> ;)
[04:48] <moominski> ;P
[04:48] <StR> closure:  they are in albums, ther are in folders.. but they are so much that I need a PC to sort them...
[04:48] <closure> i mean if you don't know how to sort your shit then use a program but i'm fairly certain you can create a folder and put files in it
[04:49] <StR> closure: with your ideas the PC would never be what it is today.. 
[04:49] <closure> lol
[04:49] <closure> alright
[04:50] <closure> it definitely wouldn't be built for idiots that's for sure
[04:50] <closure> not implying you are
[04:50] <closure> but it has got a little too user friendly and automated and people tend to break these things cause it's sooo easy to use them
[04:51] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> how hard is it to install kubuntu ?
[04:51] <moominski> closure could take some time and help me get my head around linux only if uve got the time like??
[04:51] <moominski> very easy
[04:52] <closure> i mean i'm not that good at it
[04:52] <closure> but i can help you with what i undestand
[04:52] <closure> err understand
[04:52] <StR> "it's sooo easy to use"   <-- whose got a problem with that?   moominski said he was new.. so I thought amarok was beter for him
[04:52] <moominski> yeah btu u could point me in the right direction coudnt you
[04:52] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> I use suse 9.2 pro at the moment and was thinking of trying out kubuntu
[04:52] <closure> but it's more complicated man that's the point
[04:52] <closure> simplicity is the key
[04:53] <closure> plus the pos just doesn't work on this laptop and i just deleted the damn thin
[04:53] <closure> g
[04:53] <StR> closure: simplicity? then use  mplayer -L  $URL
[04:53] <closure> xmms worked fine
[04:53] <moominski> i understand m8, but if ur on u dont mind me buggin u for advice if u have it
[04:54] <moominski> that wud be great
[04:54] <closure> i'm glad to help moominski 
[04:54] <moominski> im just trying to get to no people as it would help alot
[04:55] <moominski> cause really wanna grasp this shit its class
[04:57] <loren> haha nice
[04:57] <loren> tux is in here XD
[04:57] <closure> i'm guessing that means it's cool
[04:57] <moominski> well anyway its 05:04am hereyeah
[04:57] <closure> where are you?
[04:58] <closure> UK?
[04:58] <moominski> ireland
[04:58] <closure> ice
[04:58] <closure> err nice
[04:58] <closure> i like your country
[04:58] <moominski> do u?
[04:58] <closure> aside from the sheep
[04:58] <moominski> nothin special
[04:58] <moominski> where u from m8
[04:58] <closure> usa
[04:58] <closure> southeast
[04:59] <moominski> wow  florida maybe
[04:59] <moominski> thats south east right?
[04:59] <closure> yeah
[05:00] <closure> i'm in GA
[05:00] <closure> the state north of that
[05:00] <moominski> nice
[05:00] <moominski> wish i was bach in the states
[05:01] <closure> why?
[05:01] <closure> better be reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeal fond of jesus
[05:01] <moominski> i loved it there had a great time
[05:02] <closure> i had the most fun traveling outside the country in dublin and glasgow
[05:02] <closure> i hated england
[05:02] <moominski> did u, was the people more freindly in dublin and glasgow
[05:03] <closure> of course
[05:03] <moominski> hehe
[05:03] <closure> english people were snobs just as their reputation told
[05:03] <moominski> our accent is real funny aint it
[05:04] <closure> i was pissed cause i was in tourist areas being a tourist and they were like "damn american" and all i could think was "i'm paying your salary right now you "filthy bugger""
[05:04] <closure> *shrugs*
[05:04] <closure> no funnier than ours in the south i'd imagine
[05:04] <moominski> yeah
[05:04] <closure> gaylic.. now that was something else
[05:04] <moominski> aye that is mad
[05:05] <moominski> wen where u here?
[05:05] <closure> damn it's been 5 years i guess
[05:06] <moominski> about the same for since i was in the states i was in chicago
[05:09] <moominski> right im off ladies, i shall be abuzing my system sometime tomorrow so i shall talk to you then..
[05:10] <regeya_> a uni less than 10mi away, and still no dsl available.
[05:11] <regeya_> well, a local place claims it's available here, but they're overpriced and (in my epxerience) suck ass
[05:11] <regeya_> kubuntu would be a lot more fun with an acceptably fast connection
[05:14] <Roey> can anyone here help with a weird bittorrent problem?  I've opened up ports 6xxx on my firewall to my computer.  Now, I start bittorrent downloads yet it cannot connect to any host! what gives??
[05:15] <LeeJunFan> Roey: it could be your ISP.
[05:16] <LeeJunFan> ?
[05:16] <Roey> LeeJunFan:  could be BUT before I installed Kubuntu it worked.
[05:33] <closure> anybody tell me how to make my default font in firefox bigger?
[05:37] <Roey> why's firefox not responding to any clicks???
[06:01] <StR> I give up..... i tried using gnome... but it is imposible..... what was the pkg to use kde?   kubuntu-desktop?
[06:01] <LeeJunFan> StR: haha, yeah that's it.
[06:01] <StR> LeeJunFan: Rhythmbox  is so lame    amarok rulez...
[06:02] <StR> an gaim is soo  big...  kopete rulez!
[06:02] <kkathman> evening all :)
[06:03] <LeeJunFan> StR: if you are talking RAM actually kopete uses more. :(
[06:03] <kkathman> can anyone suggest a KDE application for system monitoring, such as memory availability, processes, and CPU utilization. I've seen pictures of these, but dont know the actual applications.
[06:04] <StR> LeeJunFan: i mean the GUI....   gnome uses so much space.. the buttons are  SF-big
[06:04] <underlord> kkathman: you could just press ctrl+esc and use that
[06:04] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: I fail to find any that can replace the gtk based gkrellm
[06:05] <kkathman> well I saw some desktop based ones in some screenshots that people have shown, but they didnt let on to what they were
[06:05] <LeeJunFan> StR: yeah, it's ugly. But so far I haven't found a IM client that has less trouble than gaim. For some reason kopete will put a couple of my contacts on the list twice, but I don't get messages they send me even once.
[06:06] <kkathman> whats wrong with gaim?  Seems to work ok for me on all my IM needs.
[06:06] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: I said less trouble than gaim. gaim works great.
[06:07] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: superkaramba is eye candy one but it's kind of overkill for what I need.
[06:08] <kkathman> LeeJunFan, kinda heard of that, but never really seen it or know what it does
[06:08] <LeeJunFan> I used to like SIM, but alas the qt version we have in Kubuntu is too old to compile the CVS of SIM.
[06:08] <LeeJunFan> SIM for IM's that is.
[06:16] <kkathman> AHA I found one:  ksysguard
[06:17] <kkathman> a simple apt-get
[06:25] <cartel_> Juk is weak.
[06:25] <kkathman> ahh well that doesnt work the way I want :(
[06:26] <cartel_> i cant add a network folder 
[06:42] <delltony_> what is a simple ftp server ti setup? i have tried proftp but for some reason beyond me i can't get it to allow folks to connect
[06:43] <StR> 7j #kubuntu-es
[06:43] <StR> lol... sorry
[06:51] <eclipse> anyone having lockup problems?
[06:53] <eclipse> anyone having lockup problems with the latest kernel and latest nvidia driver?
[07:16] <phxguy> anyone know the path to the kde headers?
[07:25] <phxguy> anybody awake in here?
[08:47] <neom> O.o
[09:35] <quidpr0> any k3b users here?
[11:25] <mhale> hello all
[11:58] <incubii> howdy doody
[01:14] <snowblink> Is the Kubuntu RC different to the Ubuntu one?
[01:18] <crimsun> besides the KDE emphasis, not that I'm aware
[01:21] <snowblink> So installing the Ubuntu RC and then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop would be it?
[01:22] <crimsun> after you install Ubuntu, you'll want to change your sources.list then apt-get update && apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, yes
[01:25] <snowblink> the sources.list would be identical on a ubuntu and kubuntu system non?
[01:26] <crimsun> yes
[01:27] <crimsun> (sorry, thinking of Debian)
[01:27] <hypno__> Hello togehter, I installed the RC on my Laptop and it looks really nice... But I still have a few problems. First my Laptop only reboots on shutdown (power off seems not working). KDE annoys me with on-screen messages like "Display turned off" "Brightness 0%". I can't find the switch to turn this "feature" off.... WLAN (ipw2200) still not working.... Does somebody have an idea?
[01:29] <snowblink> okay, I'm guessing then that the kubuntu CDs will include the kubuntu-desktop, whereas the ubuntu ones may not. However, ubuntu users could use kubuntu once they're pointing to repos.
[01:38] <StR> how do I uninstall gnome?
[01:38] <StR> apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop?
[02:22] <phunky> my panel no longer hides depite it being set to "hide automatically" and "immediately after the cursor leaves the panel". I've only been having this problem since I got the new kubuntu release, which appears to have reset many of my settings to kde defaults.
[02:22] <phunky> any ideas?
[02:57] <da_bon_bon> damn! cant find my chemistry book! any hypnotist here who can hlp me, plz :) ! :@ :(
[02:57] <closure> fireplace?
[02:57] <closure> >8-X
[03:03] <da_bon_bon> can someone please help me with this FF problem ? http://rafb.net/paste/results/7i9ogz30.html
[03:13] <Rene_S> Good Morning
[03:13] <TechLord_Work> good morning
[03:14] <segfault2k> hi!
[03:16] <LeeJunFan> :)
[03:16] <LeeJunFan> [root@dewey root] # uptime
[03:16] <LeeJunFan>  09:06:38 up 415 days, 21:48,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[03:16] <segfault2k> Riddell, are you here?
[03:16] <segfault2k> LeeJunFan, good uptime :D
[03:17] <LeeJunFan> segfault2k: that's a library I setup. That machine does print serving, squid, DNS, backups, filesharing, etc... it's a pretty busy machine when they are open.
[03:17] <segfault2k> cool
[03:20] <segfault2k> http://ktown.kde.cl/~segfault/kubuntu1600.png
[03:20] <apokryphos> segfault2k: nice 8)
[03:22] <segfault2k> Riddell, has msn?
[03:24] <Riddell> segfault2k: no I don't have MSN, I e-mailed you
[03:24] <segfault2k> im reading it right now :D
[03:24] <segfault2k> how r u man
[03:24] <Riddell> groovy
[03:25] <segfault2k> =D
[03:29] <moominski> hello all
[03:31] <segfault2k> hi 
[03:32] <TechLord_Work> hi
[03:35] <Rene_S> Hmm decisions, Gnome or KDE
[03:35] <segfault2k> Riddell, receive
[03:36] <lunitik> Rene_S: what was the point of saying that? no one cares about your personal decision...
[03:36] <segfault2k> lol
[03:36] <segfault2k> but kde is bettetr
[03:36] <segfault2k> xD
[03:36] <segfault2k> ahha
[03:37] <lunitik> kde has more features... gnome has <random_reason_I_can't_think_of>
[03:37] <segfault2k> Riddell, 
[03:41] <Riddell> segfault2k: put it on kde-look
[03:41] <Rene_S> Someone crapped in lunitik 's cornflakes this morning
[03:41] <segfault2k> i forget my password XD
[03:41] <lunitik> Rene_S: *shrug* your comment was just worthless.
[03:42] <Rene_S> lunitik, yours are just rude
[03:42] <lunitik> Rene_S: I fail to see how they are rude... but ok... I suppose tone is hard to express online...
[03:45] <Rene_S> So anyhow, Gnome or KDE ?  :)
[03:45] <Rene_S> just kiddin
[03:58] <segfault2k> Riddell, 
[03:58] <LeeJunFan> kde sucks
[03:58] <segfault2k> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=22655
[03:58] <segfault2k> !!
[03:58] <LeeJunFan> :)
[03:58] <LeeJunFan> Windows rocks.
[03:59] <segfault2k> xD
[03:59] <segfault2k> lol
[04:00] <LeeJunFan> think I'm kidding - check out this awesome screenshot! http://www.palindrom.agava.ru/images/intro/bsod.gif
[04:00] <segfault2k> xD
[04:01] <Riddell> segfault2k: now add a link from the KubuntuArtwork wiki page
[04:01] <segfault2k> how?
[04:02] <Riddell> segfault2k: log in (create an account), go to Edit, paste link
[04:02] <Riddell> save
[04:02] <segfault2k> danke
[04:02] <LeeJunFan> segfault2k: is that one transparent like the default kubuntu wallpaper?
[04:02] <segfault2k> ah?
[04:13] <segfault2k> Riddell, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuArtwork
[04:13] <segfault2k> ready :D
[04:15] <StR> buenos das a todos
[04:16] <segfault2k> buenos
[04:16] <StR> lol.. sorry
[04:16] <StR> hi everyone
[04:26] <segfault2k> Riddell, are you here?
[04:27] <segfault2k> look
[04:27] <segfault2k> http://ktown.kde.cl/~segfault/kubuntukmenu.png
[04:27] <segfault2k> http://ktown.kde.cl/~segfault/kubuntukmenu2.png
[04:32] <da_bon_bon> hey, recently, i am gettin a lot of errors like "png unsigned integer out of range" like when trying to open kbounce & btdownloadgui.py ... any pointers, please ??
[04:35] <Riddell> segfault2k: very nice but what's it for?
[04:35] <segfault2k> a replacement for kmenu icon? :S
[04:36] <LeeJunFan> segfault2k: it's nice, but don't fix what isn't broke :)
[04:36] <segfault2k> ok :(
[04:37] <LeeJunFan> segfault2k: hehe. Actually I like the kubuntu branding, as long as it's not intrusive like mandrake did and replace the crystal default with the star. That would be sweet in the kubuntu theme.
[04:38] <LeeJunFan> I personally like the kubuntu theming as long as it's kept in the kubuntu theme. Makes people ask - what the hell is kubuntu :)
[04:38] <Rene_S> If you think Mandrake was into branding take a look at Novell Linux Desktop, thats one big ad
[04:38] <nutshell42> I made a typo when asked for a DNS during the installation - when it did the apt-get update during the installation everything froze for about 5 minutes and on boot it hangs while running ntpdate. You should try to either make those lookups asynchronous so the system can do something useful in the meantime (and novices don't restart because they think it's a system crash), or do a fast dns-lookup first and only if that is successful t
[04:38] <LeeJunFan> have a kubuntu-crystal package for the icons or something.
[04:39] <LeeJunFan> Rene_S: yeah, actually what drew me to kubuntu was getting a distro that wasn't loaded with "intrusive branding". ie. I don't like choosing crystal icons and getting mandrakes version of them, I don't like choosing kdm and getting some lame kdm hack of mandrakes.
[04:40] <LeeJunFan> Rene_S: yeah, and you have to pay for the advertising. :)
[04:41] <nutshell42> oh, and if I try to adjust the network settings in kcontrol, I click on administrator mode, my computer prompts me for a password and then throws me back to the kcontrol frontpage. AFAI can see the only way to use the plugins that need administrator rights is starting kcontrol as root
[04:41] <LeeJunFan> It's like paying $15 to see a movie and having to sit thru 30 minutes of previews. :)
[04:41] <LeeJunFan> man I hate that. hehe
[04:42] <lunitik> Rene_S: with respects to NLD ... how do you figure its one big ad? Not once are you asked to buy anything (they assume you already did...) ... Mandrake has its Club thing everywhere...
[04:42] <LeeJunFan> nutshell42: yeah, I get that sometimes. Sometimes it works.
[04:45] <Rene_S> Well, for one thing almost every program in NLD is labeled, perhaps using the word "ad" was out of line, Its more like a over done branding.  I mean really, if I went to the trouble of installing it wouldn't I know that it was NLD, or do I really need to be hit over the head with it ?
[04:46] <lunitik> Rene_S: they want it to be obvious... branding is the only thing that really seperates desktops...
[04:46] <nutshell42> the javascript policy regarding popups should be set to "smart" by default
[04:47] <Riddell> segfault2k: ah I see, that makes sense
[04:47] <Rene_S> Well be that as it may, sometimes too much of a good thing is not so good
[04:47] <Riddell> segfault2k: I was kinday wanting to keep the kde logo on the k-menu to show to all the KDE developers and fans that we want to remain true to KDE, but if we can come up of some mix of k logo and kubuntu that would be great
[04:48] <Rene_S> at least its nice to look at :)
[04:48] <TechLord_Work> is anyone here having problems with wine?
[04:48] <LeeJunFan> well - it's already got a K on it :)
[04:49] <Rene_S> Why not just leave it as it was, a nice wallpaper ?
[04:49] <nutshell42> and you should set export KDE_NO_IPV6=1 -- almost noone uses ipv6 (and ubuntu is about choosing sensible defaults afaik =), and a number of sites are unusable without this variable set
[04:50] <Rene_S> maybe make nice icons for some kubuntu only features, and leave the rest ....
[04:51] <Riddell> Rene_S: it's because we want to identify when people are using kubuntu with screenshots, the wallpaper is often hidden but if we could do something with the k menu icon while remaining true to kde that would be nice
[04:51] <Rene_S> Fair enough, a k menu thing would help then.  
[04:51] <LordGrunt> hi
[04:51] <LordGrunt> my problem: both konqueror and kcontrol hangs up my system in very ugly way, they freeze display and keyboard. it seems that they run at very high priority cause at very beggining of app start i can hit CAPS_LOCK for example and it lights after ten or more seconds. but rest of system is unusable after that. help?
[04:52] <LeeJunFan> Make a superkaramba kubuntu branded theme that actually has useful features :)
[04:52] <Rene_S> hmm like vida linux using starterbar kind of concept 
[04:53] <gsuveg> re
[04:53] <Rene_S> brb, hard to think KDE with Gnome staring me in the face
[04:53] <gsuveg> its possible to dont put new icon to dekstop after today upgrade the cd ?
[04:53] <gsuveg> the kde sorry
[05:20] <Rene_S> There we go, Kubuntu installed nice.  Now to hide all the gnome menu items i dont need
[05:22] <StR> alguien aqu que hable espaol?
[05:22] <segfault2k> yoyoyoyooy :D
[05:23] <StR> segfault2k: estoy viendo si hacemos el canal de #kubuntu-es
[05:24] <segfault2k> seria buena idea
[05:25] <StR> segfault2k: pero parece que es poca gente la que est interesada...
[05:30] <TechLord_Work> anyone here can assist with wine errors
[05:37] <St0n3-C0l> Is there something like 'gdesklets' for KDE ?? Take a look at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=576
[05:42] <john6000> when will kubantu be a proper (no preveiw ) version?
[05:42] <apokryphos> 8th
[05:43] <john6000> april?
[05:43] <apokryphos> Yup
[05:43] <john6000> ok
[05:43] <john6000> cherrs
[06:06] <john6000> wo isnt kubuntu popular?
[06:07] <john6000> hoary is better than warty isnt it?
[06:07] <apokryphos> john6000: why isn't it popular? It sure is!
[06:07] <apokryphos> It certainly isn't :)
[06:07] <john6000> :)
[06:07] <john6000> does kde 3.4 still have kopete(my best IM prog)
[06:07] <apokryphos> 'course
[06:08] <john6000> :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
[06:08] <apokryphos> it was one of the main features that has supposedly "had a lot of work done to it"
[06:08] <apokryphos> (in 3.4 that is)
[06:09] <john6000> ok
[06:09] <IcemanV9> is it possible to run kubuntu (livecd) from RAM instead of CD?
[06:10] <apokryphos> IcemanV9: is that not how LiveCDs work? It installs things to the RAM...
[06:10] <john6000> 1gb ram?
[06:11] <john6000> i found kubuntu doesnt work in vmware of ms virual pc 2004
[06:11] <john6000> or*
[06:12] <john6000> ok im partitioning my hdd to install it
[06:12] <john6000> how much space do i need to free?
[06:12] <john6000> 3gb?
[06:14] <john6000> ?
[06:14] <john6000> any1?
[06:15] <apokryphos> john6000: around that much, but you want to leave space extra...
[06:15] <john6000> ok
[06:15] <apokryphos> Some have 10/15 gigs, though you should be alright with 5 gigs or so
[06:15] <john6000> ok
[06:18] <IcemanV9> apokryphos: it does access CD for many commands ... i was hoping to eject CD without freeze up the PC
[06:19] <IcemanV9> apokryphos: i just want my parents to play with it ... hopefully they like it to replace win98
[06:19] <apokryphos> I don't think that's possible
[06:19] <apokryphos> :)
[06:19] <john6000> :)
[06:19] <john6000> do it winblows iod shit
[06:19] <john6000> is*
[06:20] <john6000> you can always use wine to emulate things
[06:20] <john6000> and crossover office
[06:20] <TechLord_Work> wine is broke i think
[06:20] <IcemanV9> oh well. at least, i can allow them to play with it.
[06:20] <john6000> :o
[06:20] <IcemanV9> agree w/ u john6000 
[06:21] <john6000> i think thell like kde3.4 when they see it ;)
[06:21] <IcemanV9> crossover office == $$
[06:21] <john6000> ;)
[06:21] <IcemanV9> they don't want to spend too much money
[06:21] <john6000> oh
[06:21] <IcemanV9> :)
[06:21] <john6000> it only cost 50$
[06:21] <john6000> i know
[06:21] <john6000> openoffice
[06:22] <IcemanV9> yep. i have told them about openoffice; great app to replace msoffice
[06:22] <john6000> ok
[06:22] <john6000> what do u use comp 4?
[06:23] <IcemanV9> come again? comp 4?
[06:24] <john6000> what do you use your computer for
[06:24] <john6000> win98 thT IS
[06:24] <john6000> if yo u dont do games yes del win98 and put kubuntu on
[06:26] <IcemanV9> oh. it was my parents' PC. not me. i don't use win98. anyhow, they use it for email, spreadsheet (a lot), view pix of their grandkids, write a letter
[06:26] <john6000> ok
[06:26] <IcemanV9> of course, they don't do games. :)
[06:27] <IcemanV9> yea, that's what i have been trying to convince them. i will do dual boot 'til they feel comfortable with kubuntu
[06:27] <Phunky> or give them a live cd
[06:29] <IcemanV9> Phunky: that's the first step, then second step would be installing it on their hd; dual boot with win98/kubuntu.
[06:37] <moominski> hello any1 here
[06:39] <IcemanV9> moominski: if you have a question, just ask away
[06:41] <will> hi ppl, how do i set a different icon for a link (on my desktop)
[06:42] <apokryphos> will: if it's a symbolic link, I don't think you can. Otherwise, Right-click > Properties, then click on the icon there
[06:43] <will> AHHH! how simple!
[06:43] <Phunky> :)
[06:43] <will> i have been looking for ages!
[06:44] <apokryphos> hehe
[06:44] <will> there is no text on the properties to tell you that!
[06:45] <apokryphos> Would seem reasonably obvious though by the big box surrounding the icon ;-)
[06:45] <apokryphos> sometimes things are too obvious that they get missed
[06:46] <will> okay, what syntax do i use to execute a command from a command line (sh /opt/limewire/runlime.sh)
[06:47] <apokryphos> will: err, what? It depends on the command. See man <command>
[06:47] <will> apokryphos as in making a shortcut on the kde desdktop
[06:48] <will> desktop erven
[06:48] <will> even
[06:48] <apokryphos> will: you want to make a shortcut to a command, you mean?
[06:48] <will> yes
[06:48] <apokryphos> Right-Click > Create New > Link to Application. You can enter the command in there
[06:49] <will> apokryphos: i enter it but it does not run
[06:50] <apokryphos> It should if things are entered correctly. To run limewire, why are you running runlime.sh there? Running it with extra options, or something?
[06:51] <will> apokryphos: actually im entering this: 'sh /home/will/LimeWire/runLime.sh'
[06:51] <apokryphos> will: yup, but why? You should have a limewire executable in there, anyhow.
[06:53] <will> apokryphos: cant see it, this is limewire PRO
[06:53] <apokryphos> Doesn't make a difference; could you give me an ls of /home/will/LimeWire?
[06:53] <moominski> witch ftp program is good for kubuntu
[06:54] <apokryphos> konqueror
[06:54] <moominski> for ftp?
[06:54] <moominski> ok
[06:54] <apokryphos> Yup. Check the handbook. In Konqueror, type "help: konqueror"
[06:56] <will> apokryphos: found the problem: I needed 'working path' set so limewire.jar could be found!
[06:57] <apokryphos> ok, cool.
[06:57] <apokryphos> I installed the rpm here, which worked pretty fine.
[06:57] <bhna> moorminski> type ftp://ftp.youradress.com in konqi location
[07:11] <moominski> ok heres wot im doing, im reading rute and its guiding me threw on how to install stuff but it tells me to use ftp to download cooledit
[07:11] <moominski> that wy im askin about ftp
[07:13] <bhna> moominski: you cn use konqui. type ftp.yourftpadress.com in konqui-location
[07:15] <uniq> will: i make another startup script for my limewire.. 
[07:15] <motaboy> Hi all!
[07:15] <uniq> will: it basically contains the commands first line: 'cd /path/to/limewire'  second line: 'sh runLime.sh &'
[07:16] <uniq> hello mr. motaboy.
[07:16] <motaboy> hi Dr. uniq 
[07:16] <thoreauputic> moominski: that's just because the guy who erote RUTE wrote cooledit ;)
[07:17] <thoreauputic> moominski: you don't really *need* cooledit :)
[07:20] <uniq> motaboy: it's sgt. :)
[07:23] <Rene_S> http://www.slackertype.net/tiki-upload_image.php   things to do with Kubuntu when your bored :)
[07:23] <Rene_S> http://www.slackertype.net/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=46  oops
[07:31] <Gof> hello
[07:31] <Gof> Will some kubuntu pressed CD be available  like for normal ubuntu ones ?
[07:44] <uniq> gof: not that i'm aware of.. but if you'd like to pay for it... :)
[07:45] <Gof> uniq: how much ?
[07:46] <uniq> gof: don't know.. probably alot.
[07:46] <uniq> for one cd? 
[07:46] <Gof> a box of cd
[07:46] <Gof> about 30 cd
[07:47] <uniq> well.. kubuntu has no system handling orders like this. but you can probably get someone to burn them for you or something.. if that's good enought.
[07:51] <buz> those thunderbird and firefox updates of today, do they fix the javascript bug already?
[07:52] <Gof> uniq: it's not for me.  it's to have a buch of nice CD to share with others,   it would be better if they have a nice face
[07:52] <Gof> uniq: anyway, never mind
[07:53] <uniq> gof: yeah, i know.. would be great if we got a system like ubuntu got.. but ubuntu got support in canonical. don't think they'll pay for pressing kubuntu cds.. 
[07:56] <buz> mabye one could press cds that allow users to try both?
[07:56] <buz> best of both worlds?
[07:57] <buz> mhh might be a little tough on space on a cd. for dvd it'd surely work
[07:58] <uniq> distributing dvds isn't good.. most older pcs doesn't support them.. and most windowsers will probably try linux on a older computer first.. 
[07:58] <buz> kubuntu doesn't really do much for you on an old machine anyway
[07:58] <uniq> older.. 
[07:59] <buz> i'd say most pcs that are reasonably current for it will have dvdroms
[07:59] <buz> but then again, i don't care for any installation media ;-=
[07:59] <buz> i burn my own anyway
[07:59] <uniq> kubuntu works like a charm on a amd k6-2+ 550mhz.. 256mb ram.. 
[07:59] <uniq> sure.. 
[07:59] <buz> you must have a different definition of charm than i. 
[08:00] <buz> i'm on 2ghz machine with 1gb ram and still think i could use more power ;-)
[08:00] <buz> especially firefox startup is sloooow
[08:00] <uniq> works just as good as windows 2000 does on the same pc.
[08:01] <motaboy> buz: notice that firefox it's not a kde app
[08:01] <buz> i know
[08:01] <buz> but the libs are already in ram if thunderbird is already open no?
[08:01] <motaboy> buz: it has to load gtk+ and all it's engine
[08:01] <buz> na, gtk is already in ram
[08:01] <motaboy> buz: yeah. 
[08:02] <buz> it's still sloooow to start
[08:02] <motaboy> buz: for this reason a try to use kde only apps 
[08:02] <buz> i once read about a QT port of firefox but i can't find it anywhere
[08:02] <uniq> konqueror is fast if kde is running.. and it is :)
[08:02] <buz> i think konqueror makes for a bad browser
[08:02] <motaboy> buz: it's gecko that uses QT as backend
[08:02] <buz> i need my beloved firefox extensions ;-)
[08:02] <buz> aaah
[08:03] <motaboy> buz: why don't you write the same extensions for kde?
[08:03] <buz> but wouldn't a QT gecko essentially mean qt firefox
[08:03] <buz> ain't got the time
[08:03] <motaboy> buz: you'd help a lot konq diffusion
[08:03] <buz> besides, i can't stand to code c++
[08:05] <buz> (and i never quite understood why konqueror was needed in the first place)
[08:06] <motaboy> buz: I think that you can also use jsembed, but I don't know if it's already implemented.
[08:06] <uniq> konq is a very nice tool.. probably the best in kde :)
[08:06] <uniq> dcop is a good candidate too.. imho.
[08:07] <motaboy> uniq: definitely
[08:07] <buz> personally i think kontact is the highlight
[08:07] <uniq> kio-slaves rocks.
[08:07] <uniq> and i love fish://
[08:07] <motaboy> uniq: the problem is that kde doesn't have all the devs of other blasonated projects
[08:07] <uniq> and the #manpage.. 
[08:07] <motaboy> uniq: and also not much publicity
[08:07] <motaboy> + FUD from a lot of people... :(
[08:08] <buz> wtf is fish:// ?
[08:08] <motaboy> buz: an ssh implementation
[08:08] <buz> now if someone were to write a media player that can actually use the kio slaves...
[08:08] <uniq> i know.. the "hardocre 3l33t"-guys finds kde looking too much like windows.. i've been one of them. :)
[08:08] <buz> their probably too stupid to configure it properly, then ;-)
[08:08] <buz> besides the windows ui ain't so bad
[08:23] <uniq> go for it.
[08:24] <uniq> kubuntu is very nice.
[08:25] <hunger> uniq: I tried the live CD... It crashed imediently after pulling out my USB stick:-(
[08:25] <uniq> oh?
[08:25] <uniq> I haven't tried the livecd.. 
[08:26] <hunger> uniq: So at least I won't have to go on without any glitches. The change would be too much for me anyway.
[08:29] <buz> import into what
[08:30] <buz> and from what
[08:30] <hunger> buz: From my current KDE 3.4 into kubuntu's
[08:30] <buz> backup your homedir and just try swapping it?
[08:30] <buz> i'd say kubuntu probably doesn't do much weird stuff to kde
[08:31] <hunger> buz: Nah. I want to keep as much of the kubuntu settings as possible.
[08:31] <hunger> buz: And I doubt that kubuntu will be happy with this strange Gentoo KDE environment.
[08:32] <buz> i'd guess the fileformat is the same anywhere
[08:32] <uniq> hunger: export from every application then.. some work.. but if you don't want all your other settings to follow.. that's the best way.
[08:32] <buz> friend of mine even uses the same home across various BSD and linux machines
[08:33] <hunger> buz Yeap... but Gentoo moved the KDEDIR around.
[08:34] <hunger> buz: A symlink will probably fix that, but I do not want to ruin my brand new stylish kubuntu with any strange hacks that gentoo introduced into their ebuilds.
[08:34] <hunger> s/introduced/might have introduced/
[08:36] <uniq> hunger: i'd recommend exporting and importing from each application.. safe and won't ruin anything (most likely).. 
[08:36] <hunger> uniq: That is what I will end up doing. Just need to backup all my settings while waiting for the install CD to download.
[08:37] <uniq> :)
[08:37] <uniq> you can backup all of /home/you/.kde/ too.. if you want other kde-settings later.. 
[08:38] <uniq> if you're not backing opp all of /home.. which is even better :)
[08:38] <gsuveg> re
[08:38] <gsuveg> anybody use karamba here ? i would write a special theme, and i have some not clear point
[08:39] <hunger> uniq: I have daily backups of /home anyway. But I need to search for scripts and stuff I had to move to /usr for that strange distro to work.
[08:40] <buz> config files in /usr? Now that IS evil
[08:41] <buz> (but the correct way to do it is symlinks ;-)
[08:41] <hunger> buz: Keytables etc.
[08:41] <hunger> buz: With Debian they are all stored in /etc... gentoo is not that strict.
[08:41] <buz> freebsd can't really be stopped from thinking that custom software should be configured in /usr/local/etc/ personally i just symlink it to /etc and be done with alright ;-)
[08:42] <uniq> I use /usr/local/etc myself.. 
[08:42] <uniq> for stuff i install outside dpkg.
[08:42] <buz> i'm too lazy for that
[08:42] <buz> compiling stuff yourself is a major pain on kubuntu
[08:42] <hunger> buz: Right... but symlinks do not work for all the stuff. So I ended up having a /home/usr that I copy over /usr whenever emerge broke something.
[08:42] <buz> doesn't seem to come with any real srcs
[08:42] <buz> LOOOL
[08:43] <buz> didnt know emerge was that bad
[08:44] <hunger> buz: There are only a couple of files in /home/usr... just the stuff I touched and that emerge keeps replacing with "originals".
[08:44] <haggai> buz: if you can't compile something please file a bug report so we can fix it
[08:44] <buz> haggai: it seems to me that there are NO sources in the repository are there?
[08:44] <buz> so compiling is kinda hard, really 
[08:44] <haggai> buz: yes there are.  Do you mean package sources or development pkgs?
[08:44] <hunger> buz: What do you want to compile without sources?
[08:44] <buz> package sources
[08:45] <haggai> buz: usually you need to look for <packagename>-dev as a rule for compiling stuff
[08:45] <buz> yeah that's the headers and stuff
[08:45] <uniq> buz: ther's a own system for soruce packages.
[08:45] <haggai> buz: package sources are activated by adding 'deb-src' lines to your sources.list
[08:45] <buz> i have deb-src in there
[08:45] <haggai> buz: then apt-get source <package-name>
[08:45] <buz> doesn't seem to help me much
[08:45] <uniq> yes it does.
[08:45] <buz> but maybe ch.archive doesn't contain sources?
[08:46] <uniq> if it doesn't you should be notified about it when doing apt-get update
[08:46] <haggai> buz: give me an example package that you can't get.  What does 'apt-get source <package>' do?
[08:46] <uniq> apt-get source package
[08:46] <buz> aaah
[08:46] <buz> i always tried to find them in synaptic 
[08:46] <buz> apt-get source package i never bothered to try after that
[08:47] <uniq> apt-get source -b package, to magically build it without any more work.. 
[08:47] <buz> gonna try that tomorrow
[08:47] <uniq> note: apt-get source package, will download the sources of package to the directory you execute the command from.. 
[08:48] <uniq> i usualy do mkdir package;cd package;apt-get source
[08:48] <uniq> a little less mess.
[08:49] <buz> gonna give it a shot some time
[08:49] <uniq> write it down :)
[08:50] <hunger> Stupid me! I logged out since I forgot that I was still downloading the kubuntu CD.
[08:51] <uniq> kget or wget :)
[08:56] <hunger> uniq: Both don't help...
[08:57] <hunger> uniq: Both stop when logging out. Screen would have saved me though.
[09:02] <uniq> hunger: you can atleast resume with those.. 
[09:09] <lao_v> Hi, can anyone please help...
[09:09] <lao_v> i've just installed kubuntu
[09:09] <hunger> Can I force a script to be run after login?
[09:09] <lao_v> and i'm having problem connecting to net using my wireless
[09:09] <hunger> Maybe with PAM?
[09:10] <Quinn_Storm> hey, anyone else have trouble with kded just randomly vanishing (silently crashing?)
[09:12] <lao_v> can anyone help with network connectivity issuee please?
[09:14] <lao_v> anyone?
[09:15] <trograin> I have a problem with weird noices comign form the dm computer and then the system hangs...in Windows. But in My dear old Linux part it dosent....anyone that could come up with anything ?
[09:15] <hunger> lao_v: Well, you did not describe your problem at all.
[09:15] <trograin> I am running kubuntu, so now I am wondering if there is any program like the Asus probe program in wondows. Need to kno0w if my comptuer is getting overheated :(
[09:15] <buz> trograin: google for healthd
[09:15] <trograin> Oke, let me try to describe it properly
[09:16] <lao_v> i'm using wireless card to connect to my router..but it doesn't want to connect
[09:16] <hunger> lao_v: encrypted or unencrypted?
[09:16] <hunger> lao_v: Does the card see the router (iwconfig)
[09:17] <hunger> lao_v: Can you ping the router?
[09:17] <lao_v> encrypted..and i have entered the key in /etc/network/interfaces
[09:17] <trograin> Usually after a copuple of hours my computers gives me a funy voice. Its not the sound when your computer is over ehated, the over pitched high piiiip. rather like. 2 small short pips after eachothers, followed by a slighlty louder one. it goes on for like 10 repeats and then windows hangs. But in linux nothing happends after the sounds. I am worried that the graphic card or somethign else is getting overheated :(
[09:18] <lao_v> hunger: iwconfig comes up with data for wlan0 (access point is 0000)...
[09:18] <lao_v> and i can't ping the router (network is unreachable)
[09:18] <hunger> lao_v: Are you sure the key is right?
[09:18] <lao_v> 100%
[09:19] <hunger> lao_v: Did you use the keyphrase or hax value?
[09:19] <hunger> lao_v: IIRC you need to put a s: in front of the keyphrase... but I am not sure with debian anymore.
[09:19] <lao_v> keyphrase
[09:21] <hunger> lao_v: It has been ages since I configured wlan on debian...
[09:22] <lao_v> ok..i'll try to play around then..thanks hunger
[09:23] <uniq> gah.. what's wrong with this wiki.. I don't have privileges to anything.. doh.
[09:24] <uniq> lao_v: try to set the key manually with; iwconfig interface key keyhere
[09:24] <hunger> What is the proper way of executing a script right after login of a user (independent of login shell and whether xdm or console was used)?
[09:29] <lao_v> uniq: so the command is iwconfig wlan0 key?
[09:33] <uniq> lao_v: yes. iwconfig wlan0 key thisisthesecretkey
[09:33] <uniq> after you've iwconfiged everything.. try to bring the interface up by either dhcp or static ip.. 
[09:33] <lao_v> uniq: and then?
[09:34] <uniq> dhclient wlan0 for dhcp.. 
[09:34] <uniq> ifconfig wlan0 yourip
[09:34] <uniq> for static..
[09:34] <uniq> and then it should work.
[09:34] <uniq> ping something.
[09:35] <lao_v> its saying: DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval xx
[09:35] <uniq> that's normal.
[09:35] <lao_v> NO DHCPDISCOVER received
[09:36] <uniq> that's not all good.. 
[09:36] <lao_v> is it having problem obtaining ip through dhcp?
[09:36] <uniq> yes..
[09:36] <uniq> what does iwconfig wlan0 say about accesspoint? 
[09:37] <lao_v> comes up with bunch of 00:00:
[09:37] <uniq> ok.. not registered.. 
[09:38] <uniq> you've chosen the correct key? (man iwconfig, go to the key section)
[09:38] <lao_v> yes its the correct key
[09:39] <SirFred> Hello.
[09:40] <uniq> hello mr.
[09:40] <uniq> lao_v: then I don't know.. :/
[09:40] <SirFred> I'm having problems on login screen.
[09:41] <SirFred> It's related with NVIDIA driver, I see on my Xorg log:
[09:41] <SirFred> (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (2, 6, 0x8000, 0x0000c500, 0x00006e8c, 1)
[09:41] <SirFred> (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (1, 6, 0x8000, 0x0000c500, 0x00006e8c, 1)
[09:41] <SirFred> The splash login screen gets frozen. I still can move the mouse cursor. Xorg is consuming all the CPU time.
[09:41] <SirFred> Any idea?
[09:42] <uniq> sorry.. I don't use nvidia.. 
[09:42] <SirFred> uniq: Thanks, anyway
[09:42] <uniq> you could search the forums at ubuntuforums.org
[09:46] <john6000>  when i type startx it wont load
 :(
[09:46] <john6000> it is startx isnt it?
[09:56] <_phate_> I have a Geforce 2 Ultra GTS (BladeRunner) card, what are the latest drivers and how do install them?
[09:57] <mhz> after the "Latin American Day of Installing Free Software (as in Freedom)", I decided to install Kubuntu... now I got this errors:
[09:57] <mhz> Composite extension not found
[09:57] <mhz> You must use XOrg ? 6.8 for translucency and shadows to work.
[09:57] <mhz> Additionally, you need to add a new section to your X config file:
[09:57] <mhz> Section "Extensions"
[09:57] <mhz> Option "Composite" "Enable"
[09:57] <mhz> EndSection
[09:58] <mhz> I have noticed this machine does not have enough ram to make transparecny look cool, but I do not find where I turn it "off"
[09:58] <mhz> so I get rid of those messages
[09:59] <mhz> could someone help me please?
[09:59] <uniq> I will.
[09:59] <uniq> just a sec.
[09:59] <mhz> thx uniq :)
[09:59] <StR> mhz: what is your problem?
[09:59] <mhz> those messages
[10:00] <mhz> plus, Kgnupg also brakes
[10:00] <bhna> mhz: left click on the titelbar.  configure windows behavior. transclucency
[10:00] <_phate_> also how do I get the Icons back on the desktop like a normal KDE desktop 
[10:01] <DaSkreech> Is the k in Kubuntu silent?
[10:01] <bhna> mhz: disable transclucency/shadow 
[10:01] <uniq> mhz: control center - desktop - window behavior - translucency
[10:02] <uniq> (translated from norwegian.. might differ slightly)
[10:02] <Riddell> DaSkreech: no (although it would be in Bemba)
[10:02] <bhna> mhz: sorry right click ;-)
[10:02] <mhz> duh! piece of cake... I was so used to Fluxbox that I got stupid with so many KDE options :)
[10:03] <uniq> :)
[10:03] <mhz> thankx uniq and bhna 
[10:03] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Just chekcing :)
[10:03] <bhna> mhz: sucess?
[10:03] <DaSkreech> Since the G and K in Gnoppix and Knoppix are both silent :)
[10:03] <mhz> yep! I guess I'll have to logout to check
[10:04] <bhna> mhz: yes
[10:04] <mhz> can I paste KGnupg output error
[10:04] <mhz> ?
[10:05] <mhz> kgpg
[10:05] <mhz> KCrash: Application 'kgpg' crashing...
[10:05] <mhz> ERROR: Communication problem with kgpg, it probably crashed.
[10:05] <mhz> :)
[10:05] <mhz> the back trace is very long so I did not paste it. What should I look up in order to help clarify if this is a bug?
[10:05] <_phate_> what do I need to run to install firefox for KDE?
[10:06] <mhz> apt-get install mozilla-firefox ???
[10:06] <omni_lonnie>  DaSkreech: the "k" in knoppix *isn't* silent because it's base off the developer's name...
[10:06] <omni_lonnie> :)
[10:06] <StR> how do I uninstall  gnome?     apt-get remove gnome*   && apt-get remove gtk*  ?
[10:06] <DaSkreech> So it's Ko-Noppix?
[10:07] <mhz> apt-get remove --purge gnome-desktop (or a similar name)
[10:07] <StR> mhz: what is the --purge?
[10:07] <mhz> StR: absolutely "remove" and wipe out ALL files
[10:07] <_phate_> StR, it removes the cached copies of gnome too
[10:08] <bhna> _phate_: sudo apt-get-install mozilla-firefox
[10:08] <StR> _phate_: the cache copies are the install files in /var/cache/apt?
[10:08] <omni_lonnie> yep, K-noppix...  named for Klaus Knopper (german I believe)
[10:08] <mhz> Klaus is german, yes.
[10:09] <DaSkreech> It's silent in his name too :)
[10:10] <StR> lol
[10:10] <mhz> :)
[10:10] <mhz> laus nopper
[10:11] <uniq> you can't remove just gnome-desktop.. 
[10:11] <uniq> that's just a meta package that depends on all teh stuff gnome-needs.. 
[10:11] <uniq> and i think it's called ubuntu-desktop :)
[10:12] <mhz> .oO (uniq is right)
[10:13] <uniq> you'll have to figure out a package most og gnome depends on.. and remove it.
[10:13] <john6000> my webserver (so far)
[10:13] <john6000> http://dsl-80-46-166-33.access.as9105.com
[10:13] <uniq> libgnome2-0 will remove some of it.. 
[10:14] <uniq> including firefox.. and stuff you might want.
[10:14] <uniq> but it's probably a good idea to just remove alot.. and then re-install teh packages you want.
[10:15] <uniq> for me it would be something like; apt-get --purge remove libgnome2-0;apt-get install mozilla-firefox tsclient
[10:16] <streetbmx> hello
[10:19] <DaSkreech> mhz: I think the K in his first name is pronounced but not the one in his last name
[10:19] <mhz> sounds logical
[10:20] <mhz> actually, there's a drugstore called Knopp
[10:20] <bhna> DaSkreech: both K. i am a german.
[10:20] <omni_lonnie> well, I remember seeing it in a FAQ at one point (on the knoppix pages)  but I can
[10:21] <omni_lonnie> 't find it now :(  Perhaps I dreamt it :)
[10:21] <omni_lonnie> bhna:  so both Ks are pronounced?
[10:23] <buz> yeah
[10:23] <buz> otherwise it'd be laus
[10:23] <DaSkreech> bhna: So it's Ko-Nopper?
[10:23] <buz> and laus is a small, itching animal commonly associated with lacking hygiene
[10:23] <DaSkreech> I thought it was Klaus Nopper
[10:23] <buz> na, it's knopper
[10:23] <buz> and knoppix
[10:24] <bhna> omni_lonnie: Knopper
[10:25] <bhna> omni_lonnie: www.knopper.net
[10:26] <bhna> omni_lonnie: both K are pronounced.
[10:27] <TechLord_Work> is wine working for anyone mine bombs on program install
[10:27] <bhna> omni_lonnie: Knopper like Klaus with n - Knaus
[10:28] <omni_lonnie> bhna: Kool thanks ;)
[10:29] <john6000> what is knoppix based on ?
[10:29] <john6000> slackware?
[10:29] <buz> debian
[10:29] <DaSkreech> Debian
[10:29] <john6000> oooooooo debian
[10:29] <john6000> my fav
[10:29] <DaSkreech> They are really touchy about ubuntu and knoppix
[10:29] <omni_lonnie> debian - testing, I beleive...
[10:30] <DaSkreech> Loginto the Debian chan and say you are using Debian the knoppix edition is bound to get get you kicked
[10:31] <john6000> im installing kubuntu on a perfectly good hdd and it says buffer i/o error on devbice hdd logical block [a number] 
[10:31] <bhna> omni_lonnie: a mix of testing and unstable
[10:31] <omni_lonnie> ahh, ok...
[10:32] <john6000> is this a bug?
[10:33] <john6000> ?
[10:44] <bhna> how can i change the default-ubuntu-firefox-theme to the original default-firefox-theme?
[10:45] <bhna> the ubuntu default i the gnome theme
[10:45] <john6000> in the menu
[10:46] <bhna> john6000: menu?
[10:46] <john6000> i9snt the a themes button in menu
[10:46] <eckhart> hi
[10:46] <john6000> hi
[10:47] <eckhart> i have can't install akregator-konq-plugin
[10:47] <bhna> john6000: i have only one theme. the gnom theme as the naming default-theme
[10:47] <eckhart> kynaptic did not work, so i tried it with apt-get
[10:47] <eckhart> result: http://nopaste.biz/?1380
[10:47] <john6000> :o
[10:48] <eckhart> sorry, it's in german
[10:48] <john6000> i can zip my defualt theme and send it to you
[10:48] <eckhart> beginning from line 14:
[10:49] <eckhart> the following packages have dependancies that are not fulfilled:
[10:49] <john6000> you lucky people with kubuntu
[10:49] <john6000> mine wont even install!
[10:50] <eckhart> akregator-konq-plugin: depends: akregator (= 1.0-beta8-2) but 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu10 should get installed
[10:50] <eckhart> E: damaged packages
[10:50] <eckhart> well, what to do with this?
[10:52] <lao_v> hello wonderful ubuntuers!! please help with wireless connectivity..can't connect to my router :-(
[10:54] <Riddell> eckhart: akregator-konq-plugin doesn't exist any more
[10:54] <eckhart> Riddell: well, where do i then get the functionality of it?
[10:55] <john6000> lao_v were kubuntu`ers!
[10:55] <john6000>  you lucky people with kubuntu
 mine wont even install!
[10:55] <john6000>  you lucky people with kubuntu
 mine wont even install!
[10:56] <john6000> :(
[10:56] <lao_v> sorry kubuntuers..still part of the same family though :-)
[10:56] <john6000> its sad
[10:56] <john6000> :)
[10:56] <john6000> john6000.needhelp = 1
[10:59] <lao_v> so can anyone help please?
[10:59] <Riddell> eckhart: ah wait, you're right I'm wrong
[10:59] <john6000> whats #flood ?
[10:59] <john6000> -ChanServ- [#debian]  Welcome to #Debian. This is a discussion channel; if you have a question about Debian GNU/Linux, ask and we will try our best to answer it. Newcomers should read the channel's guidelines by typing "/msg dpkg guidelines". Please do not paste in the channel; use #flood instead. Thank you.
[11:00] <MindZEye> Riddell: I've noticed the same thing with the Akregator plugin, the functionality has gone with KDE 3.4 in Ubuntu.  It's in KDE 3.4, but for whatever reason it's not working.
[11:00] <john6000> Loginto the Debian chan and say you are using Debian the knoppix edition is bound to get get you kicked
[11:01] <john6000> ill do it
[11:01] <john6000> ha he said
[11:01] <john6000>  john6000: #knoppix
[11:07] <mhz> yes! Both translucency issues and Kgpg are solved (latter was related to Icons config, duh! )
[11:07] <amu> lao_v: your wireless interface is up?
[11:08] <mhz> the only problem I have now, is important to me, is Sound :(
[11:08] <uniq> don't think it is.. 
[11:08] <uniq> explain it.. and i'll give it a shot.
[11:11] <lao_v> amu: yes its up
[11:11] <mhz> thx uniq
[11:11] <amu> lao_v: it's a prism or pcmcia card? 
[11:12] <mhz> Xmms was running smoothly. Mp3 and CD audio were just fine until I apt got kubuntu :)
[11:12] <lao_v> not sure..its a netgear/Texas chipset
[11:12] <lao_v> its not pcmcia
[11:12] <mhz> now, my config ain't working and I tried diff combinations but nothing works out, unless I specify OSS output and Analog extraction.
[11:12] <amu> lao_v: just type iwconfig  
[11:13] <lao_v> it comes up with a bunch of stuff for wlan0
[11:13] <lao_v> access point 00:00:...
[11:14] <amu> mhz: those are restricketed formats, see  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:14] <mhz> okidoki
[11:14] <uniq> mhz: try to set everything to use arts output.. and enable the arts server in control center - sound  & multimedia - sound system
[11:14] <amu> lao_v: ok, i'll /msg you a script 
[11:15] <uniq> mhz: xmms is a bitch.. try to use beep media player instead.. gtk2 version.
[11:15] <mhz> .oO (BTW, is there an international day of using ONLY Free/Open standars and software ??)
[11:15] <bhna> mhz: check alsamixer  in the konsole
[11:15] <mhz> uniq: ahhh, so it may be KDE related
[11:19] <mhz> .oO (the Guys in KDE Chile are doing great job and offered a very interesting presentation on KDE, just in case any of you have contact with them)
[11:19] <amu> mhz: yes there's such a day :) 
[11:21] <mhz> amu: Cool! there should be at least one day a month
[11:22] <amu> see www.softwarefreedomday.org
[11:29] <mhz> uniq: so what CD player and Mp3 player would ya recommend ?
[11:30] <cmf> kscd & amarok
[11:30] <mhz> ok... trying
[11:30] <cmf> including gstreamer plugins
[11:33] <DaSkreech> john6000: They used to have the topic say Knoppix is NOT Debian, Ubuntu is NOT Debian ask about either and die
[11:35] <uniq> mhz: I agree with cmf. kscd and amarok.
[11:37] <cmf> i wish i had some weed right now.. :(
[11:37] <hunger> What is perky? The equivalent of debian/sid?
[11:38] <mhz> uniq: cmf: nice. Amarok plays MP3s but I am still trying CD audio
[11:39] <uniq> mhz, kscd? 
[11:39] <cmf> mhz: amarok can play cd's using the audiocd:/ kio-slave or use kscd
[11:39] <cmf> like i said
[11:39] <mhz> duh!
[11:40] <cmf> what?
[11:40] <uniq> hunger: yes and no, more like the next srelease of ubuntu, based on debian sid.. or something. 
[11:43] <mhz> cmf: kscd
[11:43] <mhz> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[11:43] <mhz> Xlib: No protocol specified
[11:43] <mhz> kded: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[11:43] <mhz> DCOP aborting call from 'anonymous-8289' to 'kded'
[11:43] <mhz> kded: ERROR: Communication problem with kded, it probably crashed.
[11:43] <mhz> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[11:43] <mhz> Xlib: No protocol specified
[11:43] <mhz> kdeinit: Can't connect to the X Server.
[11:43] <mhz> kdeinit: Might not terminate at end of session.
[11:43] <mhz> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[11:44] <mhz> Xlib: No protocol specified
[11:44] <mhz> kscd: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[11:44] <mhz> ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Registering failed!
[11:44] <mhz> ERROR: Communication problem with kscd, it probably crashed.
[11:44] <cmf> mhz: you running kscd as root or something?
[11:44] <uniq> started as root? 
[11:44] <uniq> or something? 
[11:44] <cmf> lol
[11:44] <uniq> heh..
[11:44] <uniq> great mind think alike :)
[11:44] <cmf> or from a VT?
[11:44] <cmf> oh indeed
[11:44] <cmf> ;)
[11:44] <mhz> as user, complained about permissions (that were already granted long ago)
[11:44] <cmf> what about perms?
[11:45] <mhz> check you have permissions
[11:45] <mhz> type of message
[11:45] <hunger> lvm setup is really strange in kubuntu...
[11:45] <cmf> there should be no issue with permissions her
[11:45] <hunger> How can I install on an existing LV?
[11:45] <mhz> cmf: CD-ROM read or access error (or no audio disc in drive).
[11:45] <mhz> Please make sure you have access permissions to:
[11:45] <mhz> /dev/cdrom
[11:46] <cmf> shouldn't have a thing to do with xserver authority stuff though, which is what that error seems to be
[11:48] <mhz> cmf: Duh!!! /dev/cdrom link was not there!! Hmmm, I am 100% sure it was there last time I checked XMMS
[11:49] <mhz> not it is playing but no sound is out :)
[11:49] <TechLord_Work> have you guys ever tried mepis
[11:50] <cmf> mhz: setup audiocd in alsamixer, or use direct digital (or whatever it's called) piped through alsa to /dev/dsp. it's in the kscd settings
[11:50] <cmf> piped from *
[11:50] <cartel_> arrgh
[11:50] <cartel_> kde developers moving to bitkeeper :/
[11:51] <cartel_> i hate bitkeeper
[11:51] <Verwilst> lol
[11:51] <cmf> it was april fools
[11:51] <cmf> they moving to svn
[11:51] <Verwilst> yoyo dudes
[11:51] <Verwilst> svn rocks btw
[11:51] <cmf> hi Verwilst 
[11:51] <cmf> :P
[11:51] <Verwilst> cmf: long time no see dude ;)
[11:52] <cmf> yup yup, your still on my msn
[11:52] <hunger> Verwilst: Monotone is even cooler... unfortunately they keep breaking compatibility to themselves.
[11:52] <mhz> is bitkeeper 100% free ?
[11:52] <hunger> mhz: Nope, proprietary.
[11:52] <Verwilst> hunger: what's cooler about it?
[11:52] <cmf> so you concedided to just use kubuntu over arch
[11:52] <Verwilst> cmf: hm.. kopete cvs wiped my list a long while ago
[11:52] <hunger> Verwilst: Loooonnnnggggg version numbers (SHA1)
[11:53] <mhz> hunger: hmmm, why keeping a Free project using proprietary soft.??
[11:53] <hunger> Verwilst: It is completly distributed,
[11:53] <hunger> mhz: Ask Linus... he started that BK mess.
[11:53] <Verwilst> cmf: well,..; i'm using gentoo :p
[11:54] <hunger> Verwilst: So did I... until about 5 min ago.
[11:54] <Verwilst> heh :)
[11:54] <^^EL_Zorro^^> Una pregunta quisiera yo hacer...
[11:54] <Verwilst> it has kde 3.4 eh?
[11:54] <Verwilst> how is it? in comparison to gentoo?
[11:54] <^^EL_Zorro^^> como se convierte un usuario en root en kubuntu?
[11:54] <mhz> hunger: AFAIK, Linus is not Free as in Freedom pro :)
[11:54] <hunger> Verwilst: No idea... Install is still running.
[11:55] <Verwilst> heh:p
[11:55] <hunger> mhz: Yeap.
[11:55] <hunger> Verwilst: But it can't be worse than Gentoo!
[11:55] <Verwilst> gentoo is sweet
[11:55] <mhz> gentoo rocks as much as Debian :D
[11:55] <Verwilst> damn, every boulevard of broken dreams i download doesn't play :(
[11:56] <Verwilst> it's turning into a boulevard of broken songs :p
[11:56] <hunger> Verwilst: Gentoo is by far the worst distri I ever tried (not including SuSE).
[11:58] <Verwilst> yeah, suse is a dog idd :)
[11:58] <Verwilst> but gentoo has so much yummie pkgs :)
[12:00] <cartel_> hey how, amarok doesnt suck
[12:01] <cartel_> oh wait, it does :(