[12:14] http://www.imagine-msn.com/Spaces/ <--notice anything familiar? :) === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.93.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trulux [~lorenzo@trulux.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jordi [~jordi@81-202-91-238.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sto_ [~sto@224.Red-80-59-203.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jordi_ [~jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:25] is Evolution still broken? [12:25] I'm getting wierd messages with extended unicode chars === jordi [~jordi@81-202-91-238.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:27] or sometimes just a blank dialog box [12:29] robertj, evolution 2.2.2 will be out tomorrow. Perhaps your problems will be fixed in the release. [12:29] hopefully\ === robertj decides to do some symlinking just because [12:30] sudo ls / >> /.hidden [12:30] ;) === jordi_ [~jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sto [~sto@sto.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lunitik [~trey@ip68-230-75-109.ph.ph.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:34] have there been some really crazy issues with gam_server today? [12:34] if its known i won't bother investigating [12:37] i have a screenful of "scheduling while atomic: gam_server/0xffffffe6/6045" [12:38] then "Kernel panic - not syncing: Aiee, killing interrupt handler" [12:44] what's the news on the new nautilus config [12:46] what about nautilus ? [12:48] #8516, the closing windows when clicking [12:51] mdke: you're using a recent kernel, right? [12:51] robertj: no change according to the comments [12:53] seb128: this really bothers me, this seems like the last-minute change that freeze periods were ment to stop [12:53] feel free to comment on the bug [12:54] Mark is taking this decisions [12:54] in fact I don't like this broken spatial neither, and there is probably some corner cases that would need to talk/feedback === T-Bone is now known as T-None [12:58] Kamion: I take it nano 1.3.6 wasn't considered for Hoary? [12:58] bob2, hi [12:58] bob2, yes recent kernel [01:00] bob2, ah good point, i have only had problems since i've been running the 2.6.11 kernel, rather than 2.6.10 [01:08] seb: is that mark - hbd address the right Mark? [01:08] (just wanted to know if he was getting mail from the bug) [01:09] right [01:10] seb128: Has the documentation been changed to match the code? [01:10] no [01:10] seb128: That, uh, sounds like an issue [01:10] that's not the only one :/ [01:11] is it realistic to expect an on-time release and still have time for the i18n folks to get in on it? [01:11] there is no i18n to do [01:11] we don't have a preference option for it [01:11] seb128: my feeling is also that if we switch away from opening multiple windows by default the Places menu items need to change as well [01:11] why ? [01:11] seb128: isn't there a basic using gnome document though? [01:11] seb128: because you get multiple windows [01:11] seb128: There would be i18n of the docs [01:12] we are not clear if that require a UI option or not [01:12] no documentation about this [01:12] no reflection about the issues and the corner cases [01:13] What do you know, the using Nautilus is for version 2.8 and seems to cover browsing only [01:13] robertj: 2.8? spatial was introduced in 2.6, wasn't it? [01:14] err 2.6 [01:14] robertj: That would mean that was for 2.4 [01:14] Amaranth: it says 2.6 [01:14] maybe that's just using gnome though [01:14] oh there is more [01:15] but its called 'Navigating Your Files and Folders as Objects' -> 'File Object Windows' [01:17] also, can someone trigger a file quota error message from their server in Evolution? [01:17] I think that's what these garbled messages are [01:20] robertj: Yeah, there's a section for browsing and another for spatial [01:22] that's a scary section name for a document like that [01:22] mjg59: did you read my last comment? [01:22] (actually I guess my first comment on that big) [01:22] %s/ig/ug [01:23] robertj: I read the thread [01:24] ahh just saw your comment ;) [01:24] what do you mean by rever to upstream behavior? [01:25] left mouse button = open new window without closing old one [01:26] hah, insightful commentary from "brandon hale" [01:26] oh I was being bone-headed, you mean an option in the gui, I'm just being dumb === spiv [~andrew@adsl-66-203.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kernel_panic [~boris@81.56.253.161] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jlj [~agp@host-81-191-64-79.bluecom.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asubedi [~asubedi@163.120.74.165] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:57] bob2: on the spatial bug? [01:58] bob2: i was too tired of arguing it on irc to put more thoughts on the bug I guess. [01:58] tseng: please do cut and paste some choice ones so there is a canonical point of reference [01:58] it was a few days ago [01:59] i dont do logging [01:59] ok [01:59] basically it breaks things for everyone, or most imo [01:59] people who are used to real spatial behaviour cant use it [02:00] and people who are coming from windows are like wtf, windows are popping up and random positions with no navigation [02:00] it would be better to default to browser if you are really targetting windows converts [02:00] tseng: that's my feeling but IMO it's best to just revert it and look again the day after release [02:00] thats true [02:01] windows 2k uses that behaviour doesn't it? [02:01] robertj: mark doesnt follow release plans [02:01] robertj: he throws stuff in whenever he pleases, which is his perogative I guess. [02:02] tseng: hehe, his $, his choice [02:02] mdke: every Windows since 98 browses by default [02:02] windows 95 had a psuedo spatial [02:02] hmm [02:03] its not even worth comparing, it was a broken model. [02:03] Active Desktop actualy came with ie 4.5 right? [02:03] my school must have put it in intentionally then [02:03] or was it 4.0 [02:03] so lets ignore it. [02:03] crazy [02:03] and it gave you the option to go to "Web Like" mode or something [02:03] oh yeah [02:03] *shudders* [02:03] that was a separate thing again [02:03] hyperlinks, one-click, etc [02:03] yeah that came with IE4 [02:03] but 98 defaulted to Brose w [02:03] active desktop [02:04] it was also not spatial, and also broken. [02:04] good morning jdub [02:04] morning [02:06] jdub: guess what we are talking about ;) [02:07] uh huh [02:08] i've been reading [02:08] (broken drag n' drop)++ === infinity giggles at the 'ugly strangers' post. === gabaug [~gabe@216-43-99-149.dsl.mcleodusa.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S0106000393d5b468.du.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === syn-ack [meskes@CPE-69-76-190-218.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === astharot [~isager@de94e76f0d20c52d.node.tor] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:25] ciao === tritium [~rimbert@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === asubedi [~asubedi@163.120.74.165] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === astharot [~isager@2f91719aed29f052.node.tor] has joined #ubuntu-devel === josue [~josue@200.122.157.27] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:45] Any news about why the wiki got b0rked? === stub [~stub@203-206-239-200.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gabaug [~gabe@216-43-99-149.dsl.mcleodusa.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dross_ [~tsume@myvl-c-66-191-252-221.chartertn.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:01] you guys are slacking still [03:01] the nvidia driver is _still old [03:06] dross: our release is in 5 days; we stopped upgrading software in the distribution "just because it's newer" about 3 months ago [03:07] mdz: what about in hoary? [03:07] dross: I am talking about hoary. [03:07] hoary is the one coming out in 5 days [03:07] yep [03:07] oh, heh :) [03:07] mdz: I didn't know that ;) [03:08] and the nvidia driver in hoary is about 3 days behind upstream [03:08] hmm actually doesn't it release on wed (in 3 days)? [03:08] well.. they upgraded the nvidia driver a few days ago [03:08] calc: no, we pushed up to friday [03:08] isn't fabbione trying to put the new nvidia in? [03:08] mdz: oh :\ [03:08] in hoary [03:08] so will breezy be added on friday? [03:08] calc: in order to catch GNOME 2.10.1 (scheduled for wednesday), which has now been delayed === calc wants more blood [03:08] because last week or so there was the _old_ driver [03:08] dross: I'm not seeing your point. are you experiencing a problem with the driver? [03:09] mdz: no :) [03:09] dross: if you're really desperate for it, you can always get the updated driver from nvidia [03:09] it's real easy to install... === calc noticed that gnome 2.11 page still hasn't been added on gnome.org [03:09] there is a small chance that we'll update to 7174, but it's more likely that we'll stay with 7167 [03:10] calc: breezy will probably be created sometime around release time, yeah [03:10] ok [03:10] mdz: curious, will hoary become a 'stable' and use only backported/old software? [03:10] but there's no scheduled date for it at this time [03:11] dross: every six months we produce a stable release, and only update that branch with critical bugfixes [03:11] mdz: there will be another 'unstable'? [03:11] Ubuntu 5.04 (hoary) will be the second such release [03:11] following Ubuntu 5.04, our development tree will be called 'breezy' [03:12] which will go through a period of aggressive feature development, and then be stabilized, and then released just as Warty and Hoary were [03:12] in October 2005 [03:12] mdz: where did 'breezy' come from? === SepheeBear [~SepheeBea@cpe-24-193-111-253.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:12] dross: from sabdfl [03:12] 'breezy badger' [03:13] mdz: will there be an easy way to upgrade from hoary to breezy without wiping the disk? or do I just need to wipe the disk clean? === dross pets seperate /home partition :) === syn-ack [meskes@CPE-69-76-190-218.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:15] dross : Wiping the disk clean should never be necessary, just as it isn't from warty->hoary. [03:16] infinity: I've never upgraded a deb based system [03:16] infinity: is it just a large update for the packages and thats it? [03:16] dross: and a reboot [03:16] dross : I have systems that started out as Debian slink, upgraded to potato, woody, sarge, warty, hoary... [03:16] sounds simple enough [03:17] dross : With the exception of kernle upgrades, that's all been done without reboots. === dross really doesn't like Toy Story :) [03:17] well, a rebot isn't strictly necessary [03:17] *reboot [03:17] dross: everything is a package; a complete system upgrade is just a full set of package upgrades [03:17] schweeb: does hoary not require an inotify enabled kernel? [03:18] robertj: no, in fact inotify is disabled by default in the hoary kernel [03:18] inotify is... what mdz said [03:21] so is a new kernel being prepared? [03:22] inotify is in the kernel, it just requires you to add a kernel option [03:22] calc: for what? [03:22] well for the IDEDMA_ONLYDISK issue [03:22] what issue is that? [03:22] i think fabbione was working on one yesterday [03:22] there is continually a new kernel update in preparation, what with the steady flow of security vulnerabilities being found upstream... [03:22] mdz: on amd64 and (i think ppc) if its set the kernel won't let you enable dma at all on ATAPI devices best as i can tell [03:23] calc: hmm, I'm pretty sure it worked on my test box the last time I tried it [03:24] it gave me some message about operation not permitted (iirc) [03:24] as opposed to failed [03:24] and knoppix i386 on the same box let me enable dma [03:24] i still need to run the i386 hoary live cd on the box to see [03:24] confirmed, it works fine here [03:24] on amd64? [03:24] yep [03:24] hmm ok [03:25] EPERM generally means that either you're using the generic driver, or the chipset-specific driver doesn't support DMA on your device [03:25] hmm interesting [03:25] perhaps it didn't load the right driver for my box === calc takes a look [03:26] i actually had that exact issue before on warty with an intel box [03:26] it loaded the specific driver too late [03:27] gar [03:28] its doing it on via now too [03:28] i suppose it would useful to send a dmesg to bugzilla? [03:28] it stole the ide0 before the via driver was loaded [03:28] Does anyone have a rationale for apache2-mpm-worker being the one in the ship seed? [03:28] which my optical drive is on the ide0 [03:29] it loaded the via driver pretty late actually [03:29] around the time usb was loaded [03:30] should the generic driver ever get loaded before the chipset specific ones do? === calc wonders if that is the same actual problem the ppc user was having as well [03:32] what is interesting is /proc/ide/via shows like it has the primary ide channel as well, but dmesg shows it couldn't get it [03:35] generic should always be loaded last [03:35] check the ordering of /loadmodules in your initrd === dholbach [~daniel@td9091b2e.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:36] morning [03:36] ok === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:38] mdz: i don't see any reference to either ide driver in my loadmodules file [03:38] i can paste the contents somewhere if you would like to see [03:39] calc: is your root on something other than an IDE disk? [03:41] my root is on sata_via [03:41] my optical drivers are on regular via [03:41] s/drivers/drives/ [03:41] the sata_via is in the loadmodules file but the regular via is not [03:42] are there any news on the wiki yet? [03:43] maybe it's best to just start the work again [03:46] dholbach: you must be kidding. [03:47] tseng: last time i did it in 3 days, now it should take 2, release is in ~4 - i guess there's no other way [03:47] tseng: i couldnt even sleep *grmbl* === jbailey [~jbailey@HSE-Montreal-ppp340159.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gabaug [~gabe@adsl-69-212-98-99.dsl.chmpil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [~anthony@ekorp-203-63-137-225.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === goedson [~goedson@BHE055056.res-com.wayinternet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:29] calc: that should work, then [04:30] calc: just remove ide-* from /etc/modules [04:30] and let hotplug load them; current hotplug in hoary loads everything in the proper order [04:30] ah so its just an upgrade issue? [04:31] calc: right, we don't mess with /etc/modules on upgrade [04:31] ok [04:32] thanks for the help :) === tritium [~rimbert@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:41] tritium: hey michael [04:42] hi dholbach :) [04:42] tseng: my memory seems to be quite good it seems - i didnt trust it, but when i re-rebuild the packages i seem to know which one would fail ;-) [04:42] dholbach, How are you, Daniel? [04:43] tritium: couldnt sleep properly, so i got up again and re-worked apt-get.org stuff, i had finished like 12 hours ago [04:43] Wow. [04:44] tritium: the wiki is now in the same state as 3 days ago... that's why [04:44] tritium: but i'm alright, thanks... how about you? [04:44] I'm fine, thanks. I'm very pleased with my Hoary reinstall. [04:45] :-)) [04:46] The suspend-to-ram is working solidly with nvidia as long as I use NVagp, even when I have pcmcia wlan card inserted. [04:50] morning [04:50] morning [04:50] hey fabbione === minghua [~minghua@adsl-69-153-134-66.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [~minghua@adsl-69-153-134-66.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [05:04] mdz: ping [05:05] Robot101: pong [05:05] mdz: do you know if a CVE number has been allocated for recent IRC escaping problems in Gaim? [05:05] no, I do not [05:05] if it's public (and i assume it is since you're talking about it here), one must be assigned by Mitre in order to avoid duplicate assignments === gabaug [~gabe@adsl-69-212-98-99.dsl.chmpil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:06] aye, it is public. some tool spent 14 hours crashing people in #gaim, his idea of contacting the upstream developers, whilst we fixed it, and then mailed bugtraq later claiming we denied the problem existed and wouldn't fix... [05:07] so I should just upload the version with the fix and put the CVE number in later.. [05:12] Robot101: have you sent the patch to the Martins? === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:13] mdz: I can pull a patch out if you want - I was just going to push 1.2.1 (about to release) into sid & sarge. what version is hoary at? [05:13] Robot101: oh, it doesn't affect woody or warty? [05:14] Robot101: hoary has 1.1.4 [05:14] mdz: this version of the IRC plugin isn't in woody... warty's a more likely candidate [05:14] what version there? [05:14] 1.0.0 [05:14] yeah probably [05:15] I guess only pitti needs to be contacted, then [05:25] mako: ping === wasabi [~wasabi@c-24-1-61-51.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jalrnc [~joao@ip68-0-220-224.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:38] does anyone know what's wrong with the wiki? recent changes have been lost [05:39] jalrnc: nobody seems to know [05:40] saw a post to ubuntu-doc, but no response there either [05:41] I sent an email to the webmaster, still waiting for a response === BlackHussar [~BlackHuss@dsl081-081-225.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:46] qwdqwdqwd === wasabi_ [~wasabi@c-24-1-61-51.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jalrnc [~joao@ip68-0-220-224.ri.ri.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [06:13] Burgundavia: oh! [06:13] Burgundavia: oi! even :) [06:13] hmm [06:13] thinking about names for talks [06:13] should I go funny or stay serious? === SuperL4g [aaron@CPE-69-76-188-71.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SuperL4g [aaron@CPE-69-76-188-71.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [~rimbert@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [06:32] mako: still there? === mpt1 [~mpt@203.86.197.132] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:33] Burgundavia: I think he's eating delicious food [06:33] bah [06:33] no food eating for him === Xoff [~mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:40] mdz: any reports of sound breaking recently? [06:40] just the usual stream of misdirected reports [06:41] ok [06:41] lol [06:43] mdz: the next question would be: why doesn't trap all the ADD messages? [06:45] reviewing those apt-get.org packages makes me consider having MOTU-boot-camps all around the globe [06:48] dholbach: that is not a bad idea at all [06:48] dholbach: tie into LoCoTeams [06:48] that's a rad idea [06:49] we could line up UbuntuLove days to synch with them [06:50] mdz, jdub: i'll give the wiki some loving wrt to that once i finished reviewing apt-get.org AGAIN, cleaned universe-kernel* and had a look at the open universe bugs [06:50] dholbach: I've been seeing some reports of the wiki being in a broken state right now, do you know anything about it? [06:50] mdz: no [06:50] I haven't had time to investigate myself [06:51] and this is something like the weekend for me [06:51] but i have huge PAIN, because i have to review everything again [06:51] it took me the best of 3 days [06:51] now i keep it on my own wiki [06:51] the current state of the wiki is of 3 days ago [06:52] and since our beloved communication-sharethelove-instrument saves everything in one huge blog, i think chances of recovering anything is ~0 :-/ [06:52] dholbach: everything again? [06:52] mdz: that's what i do atm... couldnt sleep [06:52] release is in 4 days, so i have to get a move on [06:53] so you are also experiencing problems with the wiki? [06:53] I emailed henrik earlier tonight and asked him to look into it [06:53] yes... as i said: the state of it is of 3 days ago [06:53] google-cache unfortunately is of around the same timestamp [06:54] i was finished around 13:30 utc and ogra said it must have been b0rked at 14:45-15:00 utc [06:54] (he grabs the wiki's css for hwdb.ubuntu.com) [06:54] dholbach: I asked if you knew anything about it being broken, and you said no, so I thought that meant it was ok :-) [06:55] mdz: ah ok... i don't know anything specific about the breakage [06:55] dholbach: please email henrik.omma@canonical.com with your observations; he is tracking website problems for us now [06:55] I have noticed the traffic and alerted him, but have not had time to investigate myself [06:56] mdz: will do [06:56] thanks [06:56] dholbach: you are coming to Sydney, yes? [06:57] mdz: yes... i'm quite glad to see you guys there, finally :-) [06:57] dholbach: yes, it will be good to meet you [06:58] nice you say that :-) [06:59] Burgundavia: yes, back [07:01] mdz: mailed him [07:01] thanks [07:02] mdz: i'll nevertheless continue reviewing, i guess i'll finish in 5-6 hours [07:02] who is coming to sydney? [07:03] nasdaq7: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnderAttendees [07:04] good answer [07:04] i thought kylie minoque === dholbach cries silently [07:05] that list is somewhat incomplete though [07:05] I'm not on it [07:05] neither is kylie [07:05] yeah... all of you canonical guys should add themselves with their particular interests :-) [07:05] mdz : You're on it. It says "All Canonical Employees". [07:06] eww.. aussieland.. where they charge by the MB [07:06] heh [07:06] its true [07:06] i just ran my stupid uni internet quota out again [07:06] 4c/mb is nasty [07:06] I never want to live there, its a horrible place. What kind of country charges per quota [07:06] Lathiat: yep [07:06] fortunately we have a local peering network in western australia where traffic is free [07:06] and i have access to a machine on a fixed rate pipe [07:06] so i tunnel through it [07:07] the aussies think australia is better than the us [07:07] Lathiat: I use 100 gigs a month, I'd have to make 500k a year to live there ;) [07:07] haha [07:07] nasdaq7: thats such bs [07:07] like this person i know in canada pays $30/month for liek 400K/s unlimited internet [07:07] i pay $60 for 50K/s 28GB [07:07] nasdaq7: I can uncap any cable modem in the US, this state rocks ;) [07:07] and half that 28GB is "off-peak" (midnight-7am) [07:07] nasdaq7: I once tried uncapping this modem just for kicks, and obtained a 7Mbps/7Mbps [07:08] 3/1.5 is good enough for me however ;) === Lathiat has 0.512/0.128 [07:08] Lathiat: pitty :) [07:08] don't we have #ubuntu-bandwidth yet? ;-) [07:08] dross: quite [07:08] im at uni atm, get better speeds like up to 1MB/s, i just pay through the nose for it :) [07:09] at the other uni here i can get to internet2 for free [07:09] Lathiat: If I moved to aussielang, I would need to buy a dish and use that as a main internet connection ;) [07:09] so that includes gnome.org and stuff === SuperL4g [aaron@CPE-69-76-188-71.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:09] not here but [07:09] Lathiat: hehe, internet2 is okay [07:09] Lathiat: I like the fact that most univs have I2 and transfer speeds are outragously fast [07:09] yeh [07:11] most of them use AFS [07:11] AFS is much much better than nasty NFS [07:12] i tried it [07:12] its kernel panicy [07:12] and has stupid authentication stuff [07:12] try sfs [07:12] it rocks [07:12] nfs works fine as long as your server or the network don't go away :) [07:13] or you need locking that doesn't break [07:13] AFS has always worked for me... :) [07:13] mmm [07:13] i want to look at lustre [07:13] see if its any good [07:13] (on a slightly unrelated note) === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-36-4.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:18] hey pitti [07:19] Good morning [07:19] mdz : htmldoc from sid fixes #7928. [07:19] dholbach: any luck with recovering your apt-get.org work? [07:19] infinity: eh? [07:19] pitti: nope, mdz told me to mail henrik, which i did [07:20] mdz : Oh, I just noticed the upload. The bug importer hasn't gotten the close message yet, I assume. [07:20] pitti: but i guess chances are ~0 and i couldnt sleep, so i re-reviewed [07:20] infinity: oh, it was just uploaded [07:20] mdz : Or it was a tag, not a close, cause it's an NMU. (does the importer catch that?) [07:20] my apt cache said hoary==sid atm [07:20] mdz : Yeah, it's shiny new. Just a patch for that bug and nothing else too, which is handy. [07:20] pitti: so i can't provide you with as much work as i wanted to :-) [07:21] dholbach: :-) [07:21] dholbach: still, losing two days of work just because of a random server error is awful. Do you know the reason for this now? [07:22] pitti: no... unfortunately not, but since i heard that the wiki stores data in one HUGE blob, i feel slightly uncomfortable about it in general [07:22] dholbach: hmm, moinmoin was able to revert "patches"... === fabbione kicks gamin with a cluebat [07:23] fabbione: Hi [07:23] mdz: it is clearly a huge race mess [07:23] pitti: hi dude [07:23] fabbione: I already beat it to death [07:23] fabbione: did you find out anything new? [07:23] pitti: can you please review the 3 race conditions from Chuck? [07:23] fabbione: yeah [07:23] pitti: yes. check the bug log :) [07:23] fabbione, pitti: i fear what DV will do if you say that to him ;) [07:23] pitti: zwiki is able too, but only if you don't revert to state-of-3-days-ago [07:23] i think i can workaround it === minghua [~minghua@adsl-69-153-134-66.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:24] fabbione: "workaround" = using only polling? [07:24] jdub: who is DV? [07:24] fabbione: daniel veillard, author of gamin [07:24] pitti: if i understand the protocol correctly, a client asks gamin to monitor a dir [07:25] fabbione: yeah, that's what you do in testgam [07:25] jdub: tell him, he needs to learn to write code [07:25] fabbione: "mondir /foo/bar" [07:25] fabbione: he also wrote libxml2/libxslt :) [07:25] pitti: so if you have a bit of free time, check http://moz.gotdns.org/moniwiki/wiki.php/AptGetOrg for the packages tagged as "needs security review" [07:25] pitti: i don't understand why gam_server takes the freedom of stop polling a directory without the client asking for it (1) and why it doesn't gets all the signals from dnotify (2) [07:25] dholbach: I'll do [07:26] pitti: it's not finished yet... but i think in 5 hours or something, i'll have done it (again) [07:26] pitti: i am pretty sure i can workaround (1) and it might, as a side effect, fix (2) [07:26] but the real issue is (2) [07:26] jdub: i don't care what he did or not. the code is still crap [07:26] jdub: [07:26] /* TODO: GQueue is not signal-safe, need to use something else */ [07:27] static GQueue *changes = NULL; [07:27]