[12:20] <tritium> Hi trulux.
[12:20] <trulux> hey tritium
[12:21] <trulux> just near to go to sleep
[12:21] <tritium> Oh, okay.  Sleep tight!
[12:21] <trulux> thanks :)
[12:21] <tritium> :)
[12:21] <trulux> nite
[12:21] <tritium> Good night.
[12:43] <motaboy> Nighy All! :D
[02:38] <crimsun> hmm.
[02:38] <crimsun> I have a sinking feeling we should have synced against experimental.
[02:43] <Lathiat> whys that?
[02:43] <crimsun> well, our current source is synced from os-works, which contains code that differs from "true" upstream
[02:43] <crimsun> and it's going to become rather troublesome to maintain with Debian, which is something we want to avoid
[02:43] <ogra> crimsun, 18 months support :)
[02:43] <crimsun> yeah, that's going to be 18 months of *!$*@
[02:43] <ogra> dont you trust os-works for patching critical stuff ?
[02:43] <crimsun> wait, this is universe...there ain't no support!
[02:43] <ogra> hmm, true...
[02:43] <crimsun> trust isn't the issue, it's the divergent code bases between us and Debian
[02:43] <crimsun> that's why I originally wanted to sync against experimental
[02:44] <crimsun> I think I need a glib guru
[02:44] <crimsun> specifically, gmodule
[02:45] <ogra> seb128
[02:46] <ogra> pitti is also very good in glib questions
[02:47] <crimsun> excellent, thanks
[03:36] <dholbach> morning
[03:36] <Gangster`> morning
[03:43] <schweeb> mornin dholbach
[03:43] <dholbach> hey schweeb :-)
[03:45] <schweeb> how's the PriorityList lookin?
[03:45] <dholbach> schweeb: i asked the kernel guys again and they said: only the most recent debian kernel
[03:45] <dholbach> didnt look at it much in the last days
[03:45] <schweeb> alright
[03:45] <schweeb> so we're gonna just go through the list with them and fix only 2.6.10 and 2.4.27 patches?
[03:45] <dholbach> until the wiki was fucked earlier today i worked on wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetOrg
[03:46] <dholbach> hrmmm, don't know about them patches
[03:46] <lamont> schweeb: 2.4??? that's like ancient...
[03:46] <schweeb> most of the stuff that I saw needed fixing were patches
[03:46] <dholbach> lamont: fabbione said: we need it
[03:46] <schweeb> lamont: I heard we were supporting .27 still
[03:46] <lamont> ok
[03:49] <dholbach> schweeb: i made a list of all kernel packages and which packages depend on it, we'll have a look at it
[03:49] <lamont> if someone wants to see what architecures smlnj will actually bootstrap on, I'll turn the crank to get it in...
[03:49] <dholbach> ... once i know, if reworking AptGetOrg was a good idea
[03:50] <schweeb> alrighty
[03:53] <schweeb> tseng: are we putting 1.0.6 of mono in, since 1.1.5 isn't much of a possibility?
[03:53] <crimsun> woohoo!
[03:53] <tseng> schweeb: no?
[03:53] <crimsun> fixed xfdesktop!
[03:53] <crimsun> <3 ld(1)
[03:54] <schweeb> tseng: I found some 1.0.6 packages somewhere, if you're interested at all...
[03:54] <tseng> im not
[03:54] <tseng> ive seen a zillion different mono packages
[03:55] <tseng> the ones i saw someone pushing today didnt even have full sources uploaded
[03:55] <tseng> missing changes and orig.tar.gz
[03:55] <tseng> not that i would be at all interested in seeing those.
[03:56] <tseng> thanks!
[03:57] <lamont> tseng: it _shouldn't_ matter.  but sadly, people's idea of good build-depends isn't always there.
[03:58] <lamont> so no plans to fix 2.6.9 et al, correct?
[04:13] <tseng> so this no_ubuntu_spatial crap
[04:13] <tseng> i dont even have that key
[04:14] <schweeb> think you have to create it
[04:14] <tseng> well thats worse than unacceptable.
[04:14] <dholbach> cool... http://popcon.ubuntu.com
[04:14] <tseng> jesus
[04:14] <tseng> how is anyone supposed to figure that out
[04:15] <schweeb> indeed
[04:15] <tseng> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8530
[04:16] <tseng> i asked sabdfl in here to tell me why he came up with such an idea, but he has yet to respond.
[04:17] <tseng> meh.
[04:19] <Burgundavia> a major mess
[04:25] <schweeb> lol, that bugreport reeks of sarcasm
[04:26] <tseng> if i wrote it it would have lines of text in all caps lamenting my broken drag n' drop
[04:43] <tritium> Hello.
[04:43] <bddebian> Hello tritium
[04:43] <tritium> Hi bddebian :)
[04:44] <bddebian> Put Ubuntu on my laptop today finally. ;-)
[04:44] <dholbach> bddebian: ROCK
[04:44] <dholbach> :-)
[04:45] <tritium> bddebian, awesome!
[04:45] <bddebian> dholbach: Heh.  Well, except that I am going to send this to ajmitch soon.  But I have another one coming.. :-)
[04:45] <tritium> bddebian, will we soon be calling you bdubuntu?
[04:45] <bddebian> Heh..  Hard to say
[04:46] <dholbach> bddebian: you could send one to me as well
[04:46] <HostingGeek> bddebian: muwhahahaha
[04:46] <dholbach> bddebian: i could do with a laptop
[04:46] <bddebian> maybe bdMOTFU
[04:46] <bddebian> dholbach: Well the other one I am getting is fairly slow.  I think it's only 300Mhz or so.  I'll check the specs though and let you know
[04:47] <HostingGeek> bddebian: i have the habit of stealing nicks.... better register it before i take it :P
[04:47] <bddebian> hehe
[04:47] <dholbach> bddebian: it was more a joke... :-)
[04:48] <dholbach> HostingGeek: very useful - but i'll behave, i won't start "contributing something useful to the channel" again
[04:48] <HostingGeek> dholbach: wink wink
[04:49] <tritium> dholbach, so your changes to the AptGetOrg wiki page were lost, and you had to redo them?
[04:49] <HostingGeek> What they are lost?!?!?!?
[04:49] <HostingGeek> Noooo!
[04:50] <dholbach> HostingGeek: i am redoing atm
[04:50] <bddebian> dholbach: So you don't want one? :-)
[04:50] <dholbach> you send it to europe? :-)
[04:50] <bddebian> D00d, I have sent equipment all over this god forsaken planet.. :-)
[04:51] <tritium> bddebian, so you have extra hardware lying around, or how can you afford to do that?
[04:51] <bddebian> tritium: I get a lot of machines as my company and such rolls out new ones
[04:52] <tritium> bddebian, I see...sounds great.
[04:55] <bdubuntu> bddebian: its your last chance
[04:55] <bdubuntu> do you want this wonderful nick?
[04:56] <HostingGeek> i haven't registered it yet...
[05:00] <bddebian> Bahh
[05:00] <dholbach> yes
[05:00] <bddebian> No, I think next time I won't use a nick based on a distro.  Kinda like haveing a tattoo with your wifes name on it.. :-)
[05:01] <pe7er> re: popcon -- "1387  encspot                            1     1     0     0     0 (Not in sid)" ...jeez! i'm down there! (and i'm still lurking :) greetings fellow motus, you do a marvellous job
[05:01] <tritium> hi pe7er
[05:03] <dholbach> thanks pe7er :-)
[05:03] <dholbach> ha... i'm on 142 on universe/by_inst ;-)
[05:04] <pe7er> i feel ashamed. i shouldn't talk here.
[05:05] <dholbach> oh come on :-))
[05:06] <pe7er> it's just that i noticed the popcon actually works and i'm participating. for real. i have a lot to learn
[05:06] <dholbach> pe7er: it's cool... i learnt about http://hwdb.ubuntu.com just today :-)
[05:06] <dholbach> erm
[05:06] <dholbach> pe7er: it's cool... i learnt about http://popcon.ubuntu.com just today :-)
[05:07] <pe7er> oh, as i should be fully.
[05:07] <dholbach> me too, but i was kind of upset/worried since my work of 3 days went down the drain
[05:08] <pe7er> ups. no invocation of an 'act of god'?
[05:08] <dholbach> and i'll have to get a move on if it shall be put into hoary
[05:09] <dholbach> beg your pardon? 'act of god'? i don't understand :-)
[05:10] <pe7er> it's not on my fingertips, but...
[05:10] <pe7er> it's a possibility according to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FinalFreeze
[05:10] <pe7er> (etc)
[05:11] <pe7er> :)
[05:11] <schweeb> losing apt-get.org work isn't enough of an act of god
[05:11] <schweeb> unless, of course, it's a sign that it shouldn't be done :)
[05:11] <dholbach> i think i'll have it ready again in 10h of work or something
[05:15] <dholbach> pe7er: wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetOrg is one of the pages that suffered hardest from being reset-to-a-state-of-3-days-ago
[05:16] <tritium> sorry that happened to you, dholbach :(
[05:17] <pe7er> ew. disaster. have you looked in your browser cache? maybe a more up-to-date version is in your history? <--- bloody dumb guess, but maybe... there is a chance, isn't it?
[05:17] <dholbach> tritium, pe7er: thanks :-)
[05:18] <dholbach> pe7er: no... and the google-cache was older too
[05:19] <dholbach> but now i'll keep it in my own wiki, so i'll be to blame ;-)
[05:24] <dholbach> i just hope they switch to another wiki RSN
[05:25] <dholbach> chances are pretty bad to get single pages re-synced, since our beloved wiki saves EVERYTHING in one big blog
[05:25] <dholbach> blob
[05:25] <pe7er> dholbach, about the ones under 'highly concerned about legal issues' - wolf3d, hexen2 source codes have been released afaik (i know nothing about the data) but that jaguar bios surely isn't - but a great finding, i might be able to play tempest 2000 now, finally, again :)
[05:26] <dholbach> pe7er: oh... they did
[05:27] <dholbach> pe7er: well then somebody else should review the licenses for code/artwork/..., since i don't want to be the one to blame if anything goes wrong with that :-)
[05:28] <pe7er> don't take me for granted.
[05:28] <pe7er> but i think its id policy to release sources after n time
[05:28] <pe7er> if that's a tiny thing i can contribute i will do some research
[05:29] <pe7er> (i'm not much of a gamer, though)
[05:34] <Burgundavia> id does generally release old titles
[05:51] <dholbach> does anybody of you happen to know a good 24h-masseur in dortmund, germany?
[05:51] <Burgundavia> ?
[05:52] <Burgundavia> sorry, wrong country and continent
[05:52] <dholbach> :-)
[05:55] <HostingGeek> I saw this in idea pool:
[05:55] <HostingGeek> "Provide a version of totem compiled as i686, i386 performance on proprietary nvidia drivers is horrible, if this is an xv issue with the binary driver, provide a download of totem compiled against it"
[05:55] <HostingGeek> You think we could provide it in universe?
[06:09] <dholbach> yay for latin jazz!
[06:21] <tritium> bedtime.  Goodnight!
[08:49] <dholbach> tritium: only 2h in bed?
[08:49] <tritium> dholbach, I can't sleep.  I'm sure you're familiar with that ;)
[08:49] <dholbach> haha :-)
[08:49] <tritium> Anne has a cold too, so I'm caring for her.
[08:49] <dholbach> ok - that's better than taking care of stupid packages
[08:49] <dholbach> i went through more than half of the list again
[08:50] <dholbach> and now i think i can sleep some hours :-)
[08:50] <tritium> good, I'm glad you can rest.  Good job!
[08:50] <dholbach> yeah... i'll take murphy out and then we'll hop into bed again
[08:51] <tritium> Sounds good :)  Sleep tight.
[08:51] <dholbach> thanks... hope you rest too
[08:51] <tritium> Thanks, I will.
[08:51] <dholbach> :-)
[08:51] <dholbach> good night
[08:51] <tritium> good night
[09:07] <HostingGeek> tritium: asleep yet?
[09:07] <tritium> HostingGeek, no
[09:15] <tritium> HostingGeek, were you going to ask me something?
[09:15] <HostingGeek> tritium: still not sleeping!?
[09:15] <HostingGeek> AT 2AM!
[09:16] <tritium> yep
[09:19] <tritium> but I'm going to bed now.  Good night.
[09:20] <HostingGeek> good night
[09:51] <Treenaks> anyone who needs a nice domain name: cornhol.io and sig.io are still available :)
[11:38] <dholbach> hey!
[11:38] <Treenaks> hi
[11:58] <ogra> morning
[12:03] <ajmitch> hi
[12:27] <ajmitch_> dholbach: did you manage to get back any data from the wiki death?
[12:40] <jani> is there any time lag between packages succesfully compiled (as show in lamont logs) and making their way into the pool/ ?
[12:40] <Mithrandir> probably, yes.
[12:41] <jani> hours?
[12:43] <Mithrandir> shouldn't no.
[12:43] <jani> xfmedia and xterminal are the ones I am looking at
[12:43] <Mithrandir> talk to lamont when he wakes up?
[12:44] <jani> yup I asked generically since I see he's not around :)
[12:44] <jani> thanks
[12:46] <jani> bbl
[12:47] <dholbach> ajmitch_: henrik just wrote me... he'll be able to recover
[12:48] <dholbach> ajmitch_: but i don't know to what extent and since it will all be done manually...
[12:48] <dholbach> i couldnt sleep last night, and i re-reviewed 3/4 of the list again
[12:48] <dholbach> so i guess i'll finish it and i'm out of trouble for the release
[01:08] <crimsun> hey guys!
[01:08] <crimsun> jani: xfmedia and xterminal are both done
[01:09] <crimsun> they upgraded on my machine early yesterday
[01:09] <dholbach> woohoo!
[01:09] <ogra> yeah
[01:10] <crimsun> jani: afaik, mousepad is the _only_ package we need to look at now.  I fixed xfdesktop4 about 7 hours ago
[01:10] <crimsun> jani: Oliver (from upstream) hinted that he'd like us to use a pristine (non-Xfld) background by default, so we should look into that
[01:11] <crimsun> jani: (which I think is fine, since the About menu says Xfld, etc.)
[01:11] <ogra> crimsun, afaik xfce uses transparent svg.... you could look at volvoguys archive
[01:12] <crimsun> ogra: sure, got a url handy?
[01:13] <dholbach> volvoguy.net/ubuntu
[01:13] <crimsun> thanks :)
[01:13] <ogra> http://www.volvoguy.net/ubuntu/
[01:13] <dholbach> :-p
[01:13] <crimsun> and thanks :P
[01:13] <ogra> heh
[01:24] <koke> hi all!
[01:25] <crimsun> lo :)
[01:33] <koke> hi dholbach
[01:33] <crimsun> wb :)
[01:34] <dholbach> :-)
[01:35] <koke> hey, I'm on the planet now!! :D
[01:35] <dholbach> ROCK! :-)
[01:39] <koke> what do you think about http://www.amedias.org/~koke/misc/usbview_1.0-6_to_1.0-6ubuntu1.diff
[01:39] <koke> any better solution??
[01:41] <crimsun> automake should be invoked before autoconf as I recall
[01:41] <ogra> hmm, does anybody see his hackergotchi on planet ? (i know the new ones should be there according to jdub)
[01:41] <koke> juanje: hey, how are you?
[01:42] <koke> ogra: mine is not there
[01:42] <ogra> mine neither
[01:42] <dholbach> mine neither :-)
[01:42] <ogra> oh, i dont even have a recent entry....
[01:43] <ogra> but i know dholbach and tseng have submitted theirs
[01:43] <crimsun> nope, I don't see one.
[01:43] <crimsun> koke: looks fine to me
[01:44] <crimsun> (unless it's a case where simply copying config.{guess,sub} from autotools-dev in the clean target would suffice)
[01:45] <crimsun> back later, work.
[01:46] <koke> crimsun: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/u/usbview/1.0-6/usbview_1.0-6_20050328-0655-powerpc-failed
[01:47] <kakutsi> koke:hey
[01:47] <kakutsi> I'm doing fine
[01:47] <kakutsi> ;)
[02:01] <whiskers> anyone have the proper configuration to utilized subfs in ubuntu
[02:20] <dholbach> i'm off for now, doing the laundry *wave*
[02:43] <lamont> jani: logs are pushed to people.u.c every 10 minutes, the stuff in Lists gets marked Uploaded when the package is uploaded, Installed when it gets into the accepted queue (that process runs every 5 minutes), and into pool/ every 30, unless they are NEW or BYHAND, which requires manual intervention
[03:01] <crimsun> Xfce 4.2.1 is go.
[03:01] <crimsun> All packages done.
[03:01] <ogra> YEAH !!!!
[03:01] <jani> crimsun bravo
[03:01] <jani> including mousepad?
[03:02] <crimsun> jani: yep, just dput
[03:02] <jani> I am just settingup pbuilder
[03:02] <jani> what was the pb with pkg-config?
[03:02] <crimsun> missing libgtk2.0-dev :)
[03:03] <jani> strange error though sayng it cannot find libxfcegui4 isn't it?
[03:03] <crimsun> yeah, I think I'm going to have to look at those that one's b-d
[03:03] <crimsun> err, one of the -dev's Depends
[03:04] <jani> you may want to announce to ubuntu-users so some we get extra testers
[03:04] <jani> since your uploads do not show up on hoary-changes
[03:04] <jani> what was with the missing quit symbol?
[03:04] <crimsun> ld wasn't exporting it
[03:05] <crimsun> I had to pass -Wl,-E to the compiler
[03:05] <jani> do you think os-works used different toolchain while building their debs?
[03:05] <crimsun> I don't believe so, maybe some different LDFLAGS
[03:06] <crimsun> upstream has already corrected in cvs
[03:07] <crimsun> jani: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.desktop.xfce.devel.version4/5872
[03:09] <crimsun> jani: great work, btw :)
[03:09] <jani> look who's talking ;)
[03:09] <crimsun> pfft, team effort :)
[03:09] <jani> my main task was prodding you
[03:09] <jani> agree
[03:10] <jani> btw did you install pbuilder according to ubuntu wiki?
[03:10] <jani> it doesn't work for me
[03:10] <bddebian> Good morning
[03:11] <crimsun> jani: hmm, it should (works for me).  Where does it break for you?
[03:11] <crimsun> morn bddebian
[03:11] <jani> well although I changed the mirrors it still wants to get from debian japan
[03:12] <jani> is all that config stuff for nonauthenticated packages necessary?
[03:12] <jani> if we only use signed ubuntu repos
[03:13] <crimsun> jani: make sure you changed MIRRORSITE to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu and left NONUSMIRRORSITE commented out in ~/.pbuilderrc
[03:13] <crimsun> jani: afaik, yes, the allow-unauthenticated is necessary
[03:13] <jani> do I need .pbuilderrc isn'tenough changing the one in /etc ?
[03:14] <crimsun> err, /etc/pbuilderrc should be fine
[03:14] <crimsun> (I just use ~/.pbuilderrc because I don't have full root access on my building machine)
[03:14] <jani> same with nonusmirror commented and uncommented
[03:14] <jani> I'll start from scratch again (3rd time :()
[03:16] <jani> btw when not using universe it was ok with ubuntu
[03:16] <jani> but only when doing the universe part it starts going in .jp
[03:17] <jani> anyway I probably messed up /etc/pbuilderrc which is sympliked to /etc/pbuilder/pbuilderrc, I'll start again, thanks
[03:18] <jani> also after pbuilder update I get W: /usr/bin/gpgv not found when it wants to verify the archives.And I have gnupg installed.
[03:19] <crimsun> I'm pretty sure that's why you have to use allow-unauthenticated
[03:59] <Mithrandir> I guess nobody minds me uploading a new mplayerplug-in with mplayer-amd64 added to the Depends line?
[04:14] <Vollstrecker> pe7er: Would you test my amule cvs source pkg?
[04:15] <pe7er> sure,
[04:17] <Vollstrecker> Just change deb to deb-src in my repository address.
[04:18] <Vollstrecker> Maybe you get this libcurl3 error, but if you download and adjust the builddep to your current version it should work.
[04:19] <Vollstrecker> I forgot, it's currently uploading, so maybe wait a bit. 30 min should be more than enough.
[04:32] <dholbach> re
[04:57] <lamont> Rejected: acidwarp_1.0-5_i386.deb: has 1 file(s) with a time stamp too ancient (e.g. usr/share/man/man6/acidwarp.6.gz [Fri Jan  4 06:54:14 1980] ).
[04:57] <lamont> someone could touch a file and reupload if they were so inclined
[05:04] <crimsun> k
[05:05] <crimsun> morning michael
[05:06] <tritium> crimsun, Good morning, Daniel
[05:07] <crimsun> schweeb: congrats!
[05:07] <tritium> Congrtulations, schweeb!
[05:07] <schweeb> not /quite/ official, but pretty much
[05:07] <schweeb> it's a good gig too :)
[05:08] <tritium> :)
[05:11] <tritium> crimsun, would you be able to review a couple packages for me later today or this evening?
[05:13] <crimsun> tritium: yep.
[05:13] <tritium> Great, thank you!
[05:13] <crimsun> tritium: I have class in an hour (noon EDT), but I'll check after that.
[05:13] <crimsun> tritium: np :)
[05:13] <tritium> No problem, in fact, I still have some work to do on them.
[05:14] <tritium> New upstream, and a few changes to make.
[05:14] <crimsun> k
[05:14] <tritium> I appreciate it.  I'll look for you later on.
[05:14] <crimsun> k
[05:28] <tritium> crimsun, sorry I missed your message the other day.  I tried replying, but you were away.
[05:35] <crimsun> tritium: np
[06:12] <lamont> systemimager-ssh and cbmlink both lie about what binaries they build, which causes wanna-build to keep trying to build it (package sits in 'uploaded', despite actually being in the archive...)  if someone wants to fix that for breezy, that'd be way cool.
[06:12] <lamont> (best way is to get the debian maintainer to fix it, of course..)
[06:12] <siretart> evening, folks!
[06:22] <siretart> has anyone tried to build octave2.0 with gcc-3.3?
[06:43] <siretart> ok, seems to be known to upstream. they recommend the 2.1 branch for newer compilers
[06:57] <siretart> please, could someone with upload privileges revisit https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUToSync? there are some package with really could/should be brought in sync with debian
[06:57] <schweeb> siretart: elmo does all syncing I believe
[06:58] <siretart> schweeb: in universe?
[06:58] <schweeb> yep
[06:59] <schweeb> he syncs to the debian version, and then if any more fixes are necessary, it's our responsibility
[07:00] <siretart> btw, elmo. I send a message to upload@.. for getting my email whitelisted, but nothing happened yet. Should I bother him about that on irc?
[07:00] <siretart> schweeb: hm. I think he has better things to do than looking at the wikipage for resyncing universe :(
[07:01] <ogra> schweeb, elmo is not automated yet (we're working on it *g*)
[07:02] <schweeb> hehe
[07:02] <siretart> ;)
[07:02] <schweeb> siretart: yea, just bug him on IRC...
[07:02] <ogra> so he needs a trigger (mail or irc ) with a list what to sync
[07:02] <schweeb> ahh
[07:03] <siretart> ah, ok
[07:03] <siretart> ok. I'll do. Now I'm off for sushi :)  *wave*
[07:14] <herve> good ni... er, evening!
[07:21] <herve> my!
[07:21] <herve> the new ifupdown in debian closes like 50 bugs!
[07:21] <herve> no kidding!
[07:21] <crimsun> wow.
[07:21] <crimsun> excellent
[07:24] <herve> what do I say?
[07:24] <herve> I counted 146!!
[07:24] <Treenaks> herve: 1 upload closes 146  bugs???
[07:25] <herve> sure
[07:25] <crimsun> tritium: ping, need url to your packages
[07:25] <herve> look at the latest ifupdown in debian
[07:27] <Treenaks> herve: is it a complete rewrite, or what?
[07:28] <herve> crimsun, Riddell, you should check their new python-qt3
[07:28] <crimsun> herve: k
[07:28] <herve> Treenaks, I bet this would have been the easiest way :-)
[07:28] <Treenaks> herve: oh it closes a lot of "Fixed in NMU" bugs as well
[07:30] <herve> hmm, yes, after reading the changelog, they caught up many intermediary versions
[07:30] <herve> but still...
[07:37] <tritium> crimsun, I'm still working on them.  Sorry...
[07:39] <crimsun> tritium: ok, no sweat.
[07:39] <tritium> crimsun, if you're still available later this afternoon or evening, I'll ping you
[07:39] <crimsun> tritium: sure thing
[07:40] <tritium> thanks
[07:40] <crimsun> np
[08:02] <Riddell> herve: yep, new python-qt3 and kde3 are on my todo list for this eveningt
[08:41] <tritium> crimsun, I am also trying to setup dput (with or without mini-dinstall on the machine with my repo).  It's turning out to be much more complicated than dupload.
[08:41] <tritium> hi dholbach
[08:42] <dholbach> hi! :-)
[08:44] <dholbach> what's going on in MOTU-land? :-)
[08:44] <Treenaks> not a lot, apparently ;)
[08:45] <dholbach> so we're all set for the release? nothing to do anymore?
[08:45] <tritium> dholbach, I should have new packages later this evening
[08:45] <dholbach> tritium: cool
[08:48] <tritium> I can't get dput configured to do something similar to http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-upload.en.html#s-upload-private
[08:50] <dholbach> hrm... only used it for uploading to upload.u.c
[08:50] <tritium> do you use dupload for private repo?
[08:50] <dholbach> i don't use my private repo any more :-)
[08:51] <tritium> Okay.  I tried mini-dinstall on the server, but that's also a pita
[08:51] <dholbach> schweeb: you're there?
[08:51] <schweeb> working, but yes
[08:52] <dholbach> ah ok... wouldnt want to stop you from that :-)
[08:52] <schweeb> considerin goin home early
[08:52] <schweeb> I'm tired as hell
[08:52] <dholbach> me too
[08:52] <dholbach> had a strange night
[08:52] <schweeb> I was all anxious about this job thing, and didn't get much sleep
[08:53] <schweeb> but I'm pretty sure I've got it now... the interview is just a formality
[08:53] <dholbach> i was anxious about wiki-apt-get.org-breakage
[08:53] <dholbach> same result
[08:53] <dholbach> oh cool
[09:05] <herve> re/hi/whatever
[09:07] <herve> dholbach, you didn't read out of bed to empty your mind? :-p
[09:08] <herve> is the wiki safe to edit now?
[09:09] <schweeb> herve: should be
[09:12] <herve> I'd prefer a "must" :-p
[09:14] <dholbach> herve: on the phone, brb
[09:17] <herve> a new upstream of gcompris \o/
[09:17] <herve> debianized, I mean
[09:18] <herve>  * Regenerate libtool and autoconf stuff again. 
[09:18] <herve> seems like the solution was that simple...
[09:44] <dholbach> re
[09:44] <dholbach> herve: to be honest, i couldnt empty my mind :-)
[09:44] <dholbach> herve: tell elmo to sync it
[09:45] <herve> gcompris? I test it before
[09:46] <dholbach> right
[09:46] <dholbach> i'm going through UnmetDeps again
[09:46] <dholbach> i think we tackled some issues already
[09:51] <herve> heya jbailey !
[09:51] <dholbach> did we agree what to do about dietlibc on amd64?
[09:52] <jbailey> Heya Herv!
[09:55] <ajmitch> hi jeff, daniel et al :)
[09:55] <herve> the same to you :-)
[09:55] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[09:56] <jbailey> Heya Andrew
[09:57] <herve> what's the difference? :-)
[09:58] <ajmitch> I'll be "working" there ;)
[09:58] <herve> haaaaaa
[09:58] <herve> :-p
[10:02] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[10:14] <dholbach> i feel quite uncomfortable not knowing what we have still to fix :-)
[10:15] <herve> I've *just* finished downloading and install build deps
[10:15] <herve> gnaaa...
[10:16] <jbailey> Hey - have the MOTUs frozen uploads and such yet?  Someone pointed out a really stupid bug in cdbs that I'm planning to ignore.  It would only trigger if someone were doing serious packaging work with auto-generated debian/control files so I'd really like to leave it until breezy.
[10:16] <dholbach> no, no frozen uploads for universe
[10:17] <crimsun> we're dputting right up until 8 Apr
[10:17] <crimsun> or least I will be =)
[10:19] <jbailey> Do you guys have rules or anything limiting the scope of changes?
[10:19] <dholbach> not really
[10:19] <dholbach> but we're busy with fixing
[10:19] <crimsun> jbailey: we trust you =)
[10:21] <dholbach> i think i'll do some package reviewing
[10:21] <dholbach> we have some python packages in the queue still
[10:22] <jbailey> crimsun: It's not a matter of your trusting me.  Just that Im' fairly certain that every package in the archive now hasn't triggered this bug.  I only need to fix it if someone's about to go on an experimental packaging rampage.
[10:23] <crimsun> jbailey: if you build it, we'll try and break it =)
[10:28] <ajmitch_> jbailey: just how bad is the bug?
[10:30] <jbailey> ajmitch: Shell escaping in control.in can eat control fields.
[10:30] <jbailey> ajmitch: Which is how I can be fairly certain that it's a non issue for anything in the archive right now. =)
[10:34] <herve> hi koke
[10:34] <koke> hi!
[10:35] <dholbac1> hey koke
[10:38] <ajmitch_> curses, forgot to bring along the laptop to listen to music
[10:40] <bddebian> Loser :-)
[10:43] <herve> someone knows how a "libtoolized" project is updated?
[10:43] <herve> run "libtoolize --force" ?
[10:50] <herve> I'll try gcompris tomorrow now
[10:50] <herve> good night all!
[11:02] <bradb> dholbach, ogra: hey guys. any glaring problems that i should know, that you guys have discovered since starting on Malone? e.g. in your ideal world, what would be the next feature i'd add to Malone?
[11:03] <dholbach> bradb: to be honest, i was fairly busy with other stuff in the last days
[11:04] <bradb> ok, no worries...just making sure you guys know that if you're looking for someone to flame about Malone, i'm the guy! :P
[11:04] <dholbach> bradb: does the team administration thing work or did i look in the wrong places?
[11:04] <dholbach> bradb: you'll be at UDU as well, right?
[11:05] <bradb> dholbach: team administration works, AFAIK
[11:05] <bradb> yes, i'll be at UDU
[11:05] <dholbach> rock... so we'll surely flame there ;-)
[11:06] <bradb> dholbach: team administration is perhaps less interesting for MOTU though because distro tasks are wiki-mode anyway. it's useful in the case of, for example, getting notifications to a global email address, if you use or are planning on setting up such a mailing list.
[11:06] <koke> bradb: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/226 plleeease :D
[11:06] <dholbach> yeah, but like adding people to the MOTU crew
[11:07] <crimsun> hmm.
[11:07] <bradb> koke: yeah, we've gotta do something about that. there might be a solution that one of our guys came up with, but i hadn't taken the time yet to look at how well it works (or breaks), and actually integrating it into Malone.
[11:07] <crimsun> I just tried to change the status of a bug on malone, and it told me "a system error occurred"
[11:08] <bradb> crimsun: that bug should be fixed in the next rollout (i checked in the fix a short while ago)
[11:08] <crimsun> bradb: great, thanks!
[11:09] <Burgundavia> anybody else having issues with ff and the https ubuntu sites?
[11:09] <koke> bradb: the links are done with <td onclick="...">
[11:09] <bradb> koke: yep
[11:10] <koke> bradb: just for curiosity, is there any chance to join the malone dev team??
[11:12] <dholbach> yeah... assigning a bug to somebody else gives me a "A system error occurred." as well
[11:13] <bradb> dholbach: any bug with an empty maintainer list (seen in the portlet on the page where the bug comments are) will cause that problem, if i guessed correctly (unfortunately i can't see the precise error message on production machines either.)
[11:13] <bradb> koke: anything in particular you were wanting to work on?
[11:13] <koke> random bugfixing :)
[11:14] <koke> I like to send patches with my bug reports :D
[11:14] <dholbach> bradb: wanted to assign 296 to tseng (brandon (hale)) :-)
[11:15] <bradb> dholbach: i can't do it either :)
[11:15] <bradb> i'll see if i can get stub to do another rollout today
[11:15] <dholbach> rock
[11:18] <bradb> koke: i can't make that call myself, but i can appreciate your interest in helping out. i'll come back to you as soon as i have an answer for you.
[11:20] <koke> bradb: another request, in the search person popup, it'd be great to auto-focus the input box
[11:22] <bradb> koke: is there a bug report open on that?
[11:22] <koke> I don't think so
[11:22] <koke> I have to do a report on a lot of little issues with malone
[11:23] <koke> filing a bug for each one would be a bit painful :)
[11:23] <bradb> i'll lose track of them otherwise :)
[11:24] <bradb> koke: in general, it's up to you to figure out how much you want a feature. a good, clear, bug report that we both agree is a problem is likely to get fixed. a not-bug-report is unlikely to get fixed.
[11:26] <bradb> e.g. there's a bug report on the clickability crack, and you /also/ mentioned that it's nagging at you. i'm looking at fixing it right now. :-)
[11:26] <koke> bradb: I don't understand very well the difference between task and bug
[11:26] <bradb> a bug is a problem in software
[11:26] <bradb> a bug task is a bug needing to be fixed in a specific place
[11:27] <bradb> so, you can draw some obvious distinction between what data each would contain, based on that.
[11:27] <bradb> e.g. the title, description, summary, etc. is stored on the bug
[11:27] <bradb> the assignee, priority, severity, etc. is stored on the task, because each of those are specific to the place where the bug needs to be fixed (e.g. "priority" might be High for Ubuntu, but Low for upstream)
[11:28] <bradb> does that make sense?
[11:29] <koke> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/194 <-- look at this
[11:29] <koke> the problem is at https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/products/malone : "Upstream Bugs for: Malone"
[11:30] <koke> but the links point to tasks
[11:30] <koke> I guess the confusion came from there
[11:30] <lamont_r> dholbach: you around?
[11:30] <lamont_r> or ogra
[11:31] <bradb> koke: yes, I understand your confusion 100% :) i'm hoping to get rid of the word "tasks" entirely, at least as much as it bubbles up to the UI. i'll have to discuss that with sabdfl though before making any committments on what we plan to do there.
[11:31] <lamont_r> gtk-*engine (marked Uploaded in ~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/hoary.all.*) are delivering gtk1 and gtk2 packages.. The gtk2 packages are delivered in a newer version by gtk2-*engine
[11:31] <lamont_r> gtk-*engine should stop delivering those packages, and then it can enter the archive.
[11:32] <bradb> koke: e.g. i'd like to see URLs something like /malone/products/apache/bugs/42, as a possible way of dropping /tasks from the URL
[11:32] <dholbach> lamont_r: yes
[11:32] <lamont_r> dholbach: just adding to your task list... mind you, I don't know that anyone uses the gtk1 packages any more... :)
[11:32] <koke> bradb: I guess it would be better to have /bugs/42, at least as an alias
[11:33] <dholbach> lamont_r: you're talking about all those gtk-*engine packages, right?
[11:33] <lamont_r> yes
[11:33] <dholbach> hrmbl
[11:33] <dholbach> will have a look
[11:34] <lamont_r> Rejected: gtk2-engines-mist_0.9-4_i386.deb: old version (1:2.6.2-0ubuntu2) in hoary >= new version (0.9-4) targeted at hoary.
[11:34] <lamont_r> is the part you're not seeing anywhere...
[11:34] <dholbach> ok
[11:34] <dredg> actually... i've never understood the '1:1.0-3' style version numbers.
[11:34] <dredg> what's the 1: about?
[11:34] <crimsun> it's an epoch
[11:34] <dredg> (hi everyone btw)
[11:35] <dholbach> dredg: used for overriding
[11:35] <dredg> crimsun: ah, right
[11:35] <dredg> used to force, say an older package over a newer one?
[11:42] <dredg> should build on ia64 since diamond fixed snacc
[11:58] <dholbach> good night everyone
[11:58] <dredg> night dholbach
[11:58] <crimsun> night dholbach
[12:01] <tseng> ogra: dholbach's hackergotchi was inappropriate for planet
[12:01] <dholbach> showed too much skin
[12:01] <dholbach> ;-)
[12:01] <tseng> yep
[12:01] <dholbach> hahahaaaaha
[12:01] <tseng> nice cans.
[12:02] <dholbach> cans?
[12:02] <tseng> slang
[12:02] <tritium> good night dholbach!
[12:02] <dholbach> night dredg, crimsun, tseng, tritium :-)
[12:02] <tseng> bye dholbach.
[12:03] <crimsun> cya