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cmfahh, can't you edit permissions on the page so random cmf's can't delete it in future?12:07
apokryphosDoes it run up everyone's CPU on there? Does for me almost every time12:08
Riddellapokryphos: that's plone that does that and it's a reported problem with kiohttp12:13
Riddellcmf: nope, that's the point of a wiki :)12:13
apokryphosYup; that's what runs up.12:13
cmfRiddell: fair12:14
Riddellapokryphos: killall -9 kio_http  and reload the page seems to be the best you can do12:17
apokryphosYup, that's what I end up doing generally.12:17
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uniqwho asked about rosegarden? 12:37
Riddelluniq: cmf did12:38
uniqdebian got 1.0-1 in sid.12:38
uniqwe have 0.9.9-1 in universe.. 12:38
Riddellis that so...will have to see what can be done about that then :)12:39
Riddellbut not tonight12:39
uniq:)12:40
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mdzRiddell: what's pulling pccts into main, and has pitti reviewed it?12:41
Riddellmdz: never heard of it12:42
elmoit's a b-d of cdrdao12:42
amumdz: cdrdao12:42
mdzoh, gah12:42
mdzI thought we had established that k3b did not depend on cdrdao anyway?12:43
amuhttps://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=787712:43
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AMIGrAveis there a kubuntu-dev mailing list ?12:57
RiddellAMIGrAve: yep12:57
AMIGrAveRiddell: it is not mentionned on http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/faq.php12:58
AMIGrAveRiddell: made a patch for qtorrent wich won't run with the new pyqt, I send it on ubuntu dev or kubuntu dev ?12:58
mdzamu: new packages cannot enter main without review12:59
mdzamu: pitti reviewed cdrdao, but no one mentioned pccts12:59
RiddellAMIGrAve: groovy, kubuntu-devel please12:59
RiddellAMIGrAve: pyqt will probably be updated again soon 12:59
RiddellAMIGrAve: or open a report on bugzilla12:59
RiddellAMIGrAve: actually you can't do bugzilla because it's universe, use the mailing list01:00
AMIGrAveRiddell: I'll send a mail so I can CC the author of qtorrent01:00
mdzRiddell: universe reports go to Malone now01:01
mdzthere's a hyperlink from bugzilla01:01
Riddellah cool01:01
amumdz: haggai: arg, i will change it back, and add a suggest line. I suggest, let the waring exist, that there is no cdrao, user should install it himself for now.01:09
Riddellcan we not get cdrdao in main if it gets changed to be not setuid?01:11
motaboyNight All!01:13
amuRiddell: it's already not suid, the problem are the depends of cdrdao, which are not checked by pitti, pitti checked only cdrdao01:19
Riddellright01:20
RiddellAMIGrAve: I've added a note about kubuntu-devel to https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HelpingKubuntu and added a link to that from the faq01:25
AMIGrAveRiddell: ok, i'm not sure the mail I sent to kubuntu-dev has acutally be sent (gmail trouble). If it's not, here are the patches : http://www.amigrave.com/upload/posts/qtorrent/01:26
AMIGrAveRiddell: do you get some sleep sometimes ? ;-)01:27
RiddellAMIGrAve: kubuntu-devel got an e-mail from amigrave@gmail.com01:28
AMIGrAveRiddell: is there a WNPP for kubuntu ?01:30
RiddellAMIGrAve: what's one of those?01:30
cartel_riddell: debian use it as a list of orphaned/wishlist packages01:31
AMIGrAveRiddell: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/01:31
cartel_ Work-Needing and Prospective Package01:31
Riddelloh right, no don't think so01:31
Riddellbut there's wiki pages01:31
RiddellKubuntuSuggestedPackages is the one I pay attention to01:31
cartel_(k)ubuntu dont use itps either01:31
cartel_less beurocracy than debian01:32
cartel_but then kubuntu is much smaller01:32
cartel_in scope01:32
AMIGrAveRiddell: i'll study more the wiki instead of asking questions that are probably in it ;-) I was just asking because I would like to help01:32
RiddellAMIGrAve: asking is good01:32
cartel_amiga are you a debian developer?01:32
cartel_keysigned?01:32
AMIGrAvecartel_: no, I even don't know yet how to package deb's ;-)01:33
cartel_AMIGrAve: just read the debian new maintainers guide01:33
cartel_:)01:33
AMIGrAvecartel_: I wanted to learn that before but when I saw of difficult it was to help in debian I dropped01:34
AMIGrAvecartel_: yep I saw a link in the wiki, i'll learn that01:34
RiddellAMIGrAve: welcome to kubuntu :)01:34
AMIGrAvethanks ;-)01:34
AMIGrAveyou all here have full time job outside of the pleasure of working on kubuntu ?01:35
Riddellwhy would we want one of those?01:35
AMIGrAveearn money to feed the pets, things like that ;-)01:36
Riddellthe household cat is quite fat enough, I'm going to refuse to feed him soon01:37
cartel_i unfortunately have a full time job01:37
uniqI do to.01:38
uniqfull time + some.. 01:38
AMIGrAveyeah me too01:39
AMIGrAvecartel_: how much time per week do you give to kubuntu ?01:40
cartel_none at the mo!01:40
uniqI'm thinking of getting a mac mini.. nice little box..01:41
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AMIGrAvework in 6 hours going to bed, see you soon01:42
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Riddellcartel_: what's that?01:49
apokryphosRiddell: is knemo in properly? It's installed, but doesn't seem to be addable when trying to add applet01:51
=== apokryphos wondering if he compiled it himself now, actually
uniqapokryphos: it's not applets.. it docks a icon into the systemtray for each device you add.01:52
apokryphosuniq: I know :). But to add it, do you not Configure Panel > Add to Panel > Applet01:53
uniqno.01:53
Riddellnever used knemo01:53
uniqyou configure it in control center.01:53
cartel_Riddell: triplea.sourceforge.net :)01:53
cartel_its not in debian01:53
apokryphosI'm almost 90% sure that you should be able to add it that way. Quite sure I did it like that in the past01:54
uniqcontrol center - internet & network - network monitor01:54
apokryphosAh, control centre part is new in 0.3.101:55
datoI believe it's in kalyxo, though01:58
cartel_dato: what is?01:58
datoknemo01:59
uniqit's in universe too.02:02
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uniqsystray full of crap.. even when most of the icons are hidden.02:09
uniqgnite guys.02:56
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haggaiamu: I already spoke to pitti about cdrdao on #ubuntu-devel, and I agreed with him to use the internal pccts.  I didn't say to you I was ready with cdrdao...10:29
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uniqriddell: http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu - rosegarden4 packages for review. basically sid packages recompiled.02:43
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ttfKamion: some time back I've reported that even if you say "No" to download the language pack during install it will download it - has this been fixed?04:37
Kamionttf: yeah04:38
Kamionshould've been anyway. try a current daily04:38
ttfk - thanks04:39
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mdzmorning06:32
mdzI'd like to catch up with you guys about kubuntu release status and any outstanding issues06:34
mdzwhen would be a good time?06:34
Riddellmdz: I'm here, any time is good for me I think06:35
mdzok06:35
mdzamu,haggai?06:35
haggaimdz: yup06:36
haggaimdz: I'm available all this evening06:37
Riddelllibtunepimp is still brining libmad onto the CD, do we need to recompile that?06:39
haggaiRiddell: what needs that?  Can the depends be overriden?06:40
Riddellhaggai: juk, amarok06:40
haggaihmm it links directly to libmad :(06:42
mdzI can catch up with amu another time, let's talk now since you're both here06:42
mdzwe'd like to start a test cycle today or tomorrow06:43
Riddellmdz: testing CDs?06:43
mdzyes06:44
mdzpreparing for the final release on Friday06:45
Riddellok, what do we need to do?06:46
haggailibtunepimp looks bad, it links directly to libmad, and is directly linked to by the juk and amarok binaries06:48
Riddellhaggai: it can be compiled to not use libmad easily enough, but presumably you then loose MP3 tagging ability06:48
haggaiRiddell: yes :(06:49
Riddellbut I'm not sure why juk uses libtunepimp when it has taglib06:49
haggaimdz: so, outstanding issues I have are cdrdao and the mp3 issues.  I'm trying to get xine tp use the external libmad atm06:53
mdzhaggai: I thought cdrdao was a non-issue, or that we only needed to disable the complaint06:54
RiddellI'm looking at a couple of changes to the menus.  also I'm trying and failing to make sense of python-kde3 which just doesn't want to work, but that's in universe.  also akregator konq plugin has disappeared06:55
mdzRiddell: I didn't think libmad had tagging functionality at all06:55
Riddellmdz: no, libtunepimp does and it depends on libmad06:55
mdzRiddell: but libtunepimp should be able to tag mp3s without libmad06:56
haggaimdz: cdrdao does a better job of cd writing in dao mode than cdrecord06:56
haggaimdz: k3b chooses it when available for certain tasks06:56
haggaimdz: so I wanted to get it into main06:56
mdzit's quite late to add new packages to the desktop06:56
mdzadding it to supported should be achievable06:57
haggaiwhat are you thinking of re adding to desktop?  It does not install anything other than binaries that are used by k3b, so I don't see a big danger here06:58
Riddellhaggai: I suspect libtunepimp is only used by musicbrains and not as the main tagger for both juk and amarok07:00
apokryphos(amaroK uses solely TagLib)07:04
Riddellapokryphos: but it also depends on libtunepimp07:04
apokryphosyah, for MusicBrainz07:05
RiddellI don't get why musicbrains doesn't depend on libtunepimp then instead of juk and amarok having to do it07:07
apokryphosMusicBrainz is optional... amaroK doesn't depend on it; only amaroK with Musicbrainz support07:08
haggaiapokryphos: the problem is, amarok links directly to the libs so we can't make it optional at runtime07:13
RiddellI think that removing libmad from tunepimp is the best way, you loose musicbrains support but not general tagging07:13
apokryphosah; quite a pickle.07:14
haggaiRiddell: right, sounds like it then07:14
haggaipython-tunepimp also uses libtunepimp but there are no packages that use it07:14
haggaiin libtunepimp configure.in:07:16
haggai             echo "*  The MAD mp3 decoder is not installed. Please download "07:16
haggai             echo "*  the decoder from http://www.mars.org/home/rob/proj/mpeg"07:16
haggai             echo "*  to include MP3 TRM generation capabilities."07:16
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haggaiTRM creates a unique signature by analyzing thirty-seconds of an audio file for data values relating to a number of acoustic features07:17
Riddellhaggai: doesn't sound like too great a loss then07:17
RiddellI'll upload a new tunepimp07:18
datoer07:18
datonah, nvm. you loose the posibility of asking musicbrainz about mp3 files, but guess it's ok07:19
Riddellbetter than removing musicbrainz from juk and amarok which is the other alternative07:21
Riddellhaggai: any opinion on having the kmenu use 32x32 icons?07:25
haggaiRiddell: looking at libtunepimp it seems the API/ABI does not change when you have libmad support, so people will be able to install a libmad-enabled package without needing to recompile juk/amarok07:27
haggaiRiddell: (icons) just the top level, or all levels?07:28
mdzhaggai: re: adding to desktop, I was thinking about cdrdao07:42
mdzbut if you only want it in supported, I think that's fine (given that the build-dependency is sorted out)07:42
mdzdo you guys have a preference between a separate Kubuntu announcement, and a joint announcement with Ubuntu?07:43
haggaiI think we should do 2 announcements.  The kubuntu announce went a bit unnoticed tucked away below the ubuntu rc07:46
haggaiso I think 2 seperate mails to -announce would be better07:47
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motaboyallee: hi!08:47
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alleemotaboy: hi!09:08
alleemotaboy: any news from the kbt front?09:08
motaboyallee: none that I know. I'm trying to implement a debian alternatives for kbluepin09:55
motaboyallee: BTW are you the digikam mantainer?09:55
alleemotaboy: yes. (we are three but the other two are quite busy for work/family)09:56
motaboyallee: Is there an updated version for ubuntu?09:56
alleemotaboy: yes wait ...09:57
alleehttp://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/hoary/Pkgs.php09:57
alleedebian sid only is some minor cosmetics ahead09:58
alleemotaboy: alternatives, like /etc/alternatives or a wrapper script that calls kbluepin, bluepin-* depending on enviroment?10:00
alleebb in some minute10:00
allees10:00
motaboyallee: I was thinking about /etc/alternatives like suggested by haggai 10:00
alleemotaboy: I'm not fan of such a solution because life is sometimes more complicated that 'everyone' uses KDE on this host ...10:02
alleemotaboy: but admitted it's better than the current 'edit the config file'10:02
mdzhaggai: ok, that can be arranged.  would one of you like to do the kubuntu announcement?10:15
motaboyallee: The wrapper can be a good idea, but I don't know how to get which de is running and how a users can override this choose with a preferred one.10:17
alleemotaboy: hmm, right it's still tricky.  maybe having kbluetooth register with dbus like the python-dbus script would be much simpler10:29
alleemotaboy: sorry, bluez-pin isn't (was it ever?) a python script :(10:32
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Kamionthere are new Kubuntu daily install/live CDs up with most of today's installer changes (mostly just translations, but some a bit more intrusive), if folks want to test11:04
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elmoRiddell: ?11:07
elmoRiddell: your clock is broken and it's causing your gwenview upload to FTBFS11:07
haggaimdz: ok, when do you need it?11:11
mdzhaggai: thursday evening UTC11:11
mdzalso, as Kamion mentioned, there's a new set of CDs up, and they need to be tested11:11
haggaigreat thanks we'll get going on them11:12
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mdzfor the next few days, it would be a good idea to regularly sync up so that you're never far away from the latest ISO via rsync11:15
haggaiyes I had been until the daylies stoped11:23
cmfuniq: hi, rosegarden pkg seems good, but as i requested in my comment, could you rename the executable to rosegarden rather than rosegarden4? also there doesn't seem to be an icon installed11:27
cmfuniq: also the kmenu entry is rosegarden 4? should it not just be rosegarden?11:27
mdzhaggai: they only stopped for a short time around RC11:27
haggaimdz: ah ok11:28
cmfuniq: and no icon in titlebar ot taskbar, just teh blank document one when no icon is present, aside from that all good, thanks11:28
mdzhaggai: see #ubuntu-devel scrollback for the past 10 minutes or so, if you're seeing old ISOs11:28
uniqcmf: I'll look into those glitches.11:29
cmfuniq: thanks :)11:29
uniqnow it's basically a copy of the package from debian sid.. 11:29
haggaimdz: thanks, looks like my first connection is ok11:30
uniqcmf: you have /usr/share/applnk/Multimedia/rosegarden.desktop don't you? 11:34
uniqthere are icons too.. dpkg -L rosegarden4|grep rosegarden.png11:36
uniqand two rosegarden.xpm's.11:36
cmfyeah, there are icons, but when ypu type "rosegarden4" into run, it's just the cog, no rosegarden icon, and title bar and taskbar are the blank icon (blank page thing)11:37
uniqah.. 11:37
uniqinput into run is easy to fix.. either rename the binary to rosegarden.. or rename the icons to rosegarden4.png11:38
uniqI'll fix it in the package.11:39
cmfokies11:39
cmfyou renaming th ebin?11:39
uniqI'll look into coexsisting with rosegarden2.. 11:40
cmfokies11:41
cmfbut isn't rosegarden2 depreciated?11:41
cmfand unmaintained?11:41
haggaiand not in ubuntu11:41
uniqdunno. it's in universe.11:41
haggaioh :)11:41
uniq.. or not? 11:41
uniqFilename: pool/universe/r/rosegarden2/rosegarden2_2.1pl4-2_amd64.deb11:41
uniqif we could remove that.. it wouldn't be a problem at all.11:42
haggairosegarden - An integrated MIDI sequencer and musical notation editor11:42
haggairosegarden2 - An integrated MIDI sequencer and musical notation editor11:42
haggairosegarden4 - Music Editor and MIDI/Audio Sequencer11:42
haggaihmm11:42
uniqrosegarden is rosegarden2.11:42
uniqrosegarden4 is the only useable.11:42
haggaiI think I'd just conflict with the others, and start procedures to get rosegarden removed11:43
haggaiwell, rosegarden2 removed :)11:43
uniqsure.11:43
uniq/usr/bin/rosegarden211:44
uniqi think we safely can use /usr/bin/rosegarden11:44
haggaiyup, and conflict with rosegarden2, rosegarden11:44
uniqand maybe change the rosegarden package.. to be a meta-package for rosegarden4 instead.11:44
uniqwouldn't need to conflict.. 11:45
uniqrosegarden2 uses /usr/bin/rosegarden2.. 11:45
haggaior.. just rename the whole thing to rosegarden11:45
haggai(package)11:45
uniqeven better.11:45
uniqthat's probably the best solution.11:46
uniqhaha.. 11:46
uniqrosegarden2 is -OLD-11:46
uniq"One of the Rosegarden programs has just died, horribly." 11:47
uniqheh.. nice.11:47
=== uniq votes for removal of rosegarden2.
haggai  * The package for rosegarden 2.1 has been renamed to "rosegarden2"11:48
haggai     "rosegarden" is now a dummy package depending on "rosegarden2". In11:48
haggai     future Debian releases "rosegarden" will be the Debian package11:48
haggai     holding Rosegarden version 4, now in package "rosegarden4".11:48
uniqin future versions :)11:48
haggailast upload was 2004-08-14 :)11:48
haggaiso that doesn't reflect the 1.0 upload yet11:49
haggaiI'd say 1.0 is a pretty good future version to do the rename11:50
uniqthe ap is actually reffered to as rosegarden 4 on the project homepage.. 11:55
uniqhttp://www.rosegardenmusic.com/11:55
uniqap/app11:55
uniqmaybe it's better to make a replacement rosegarden package.. that depends on rosegarden4.. instead of renaming the package.. what do you think? 11:56
uniqthe rpms are named rosegarden411:57
cmfi think just naming rosegarden, but that's just me...11:59
uniqit's probably easier.11:59

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