cmf | ahh, can't you edit permissions on the page so random cmf's can't delete it in future? | 12:07 |
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apokryphos | Does it run up everyone's CPU on there? Does for me almost every time | 12:08 |
Riddell | apokryphos: that's plone that does that and it's a reported problem with kiohttp | 12:13 |
Riddell | cmf: nope, that's the point of a wiki :) | 12:13 |
apokryphos | Yup; that's what runs up. | 12:13 |
cmf | Riddell: fair | 12:14 |
Riddell | apokryphos: killall -9 kio_http and reload the page seems to be the best you can do | 12:17 |
apokryphos | Yup, that's what I end up doing generally. | 12:17 |
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uniq | who asked about rosegarden? | 12:37 |
Riddell | uniq: cmf did | 12:38 |
uniq | debian got 1.0-1 in sid. | 12:38 |
uniq | we have 0.9.9-1 in universe.. | 12:38 |
Riddell | is that so...will have to see what can be done about that then :) | 12:39 |
Riddell | but not tonight | 12:39 |
uniq | :) | 12:40 |
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mdz | Riddell: what's pulling pccts into main, and has pitti reviewed it? | 12:41 |
Riddell | mdz: never heard of it | 12:42 |
elmo | it's a b-d of cdrdao | 12:42 |
amu | mdz: cdrdao | 12:42 |
mdz | oh, gah | 12:42 |
mdz | I thought we had established that k3b did not depend on cdrdao anyway? | 12:43 |
amu | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7877 | 12:43 |
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AMIGrAve | is there a kubuntu-dev mailing list ? | 12:57 |
Riddell | AMIGrAve: yep | 12:57 |
AMIGrAve | Riddell: it is not mentionned on http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/faq.php | 12:58 |
AMIGrAve | Riddell: made a patch for qtorrent wich won't run with the new pyqt, I send it on ubuntu dev or kubuntu dev ? | 12:58 |
mdz | amu: new packages cannot enter main without review | 12:59 |
mdz | amu: pitti reviewed cdrdao, but no one mentioned pccts | 12:59 |
Riddell | AMIGrAve: groovy, kubuntu-devel please | 12:59 |
Riddell | AMIGrAve: pyqt will probably be updated again soon | 12:59 |
Riddell | AMIGrAve: or open a report on bugzilla | 12:59 |
Riddell | AMIGrAve: actually you can't do bugzilla because it's universe, use the mailing list | 01:00 |
AMIGrAve | Riddell: I'll send a mail so I can CC the author of qtorrent | 01:00 |
mdz | Riddell: universe reports go to Malone now | 01:01 |
mdz | there's a hyperlink from bugzilla | 01:01 |
Riddell | ah cool | 01:01 |
amu | mdz: haggai: arg, i will change it back, and add a suggest line. I suggest, let the waring exist, that there is no cdrao, user should install it himself for now. | 01:09 |
Riddell | can we not get cdrdao in main if it gets changed to be not setuid? | 01:11 |
motaboy | Night All! | 01:13 |
amu | Riddell: it's already not suid, the problem are the depends of cdrdao, which are not checked by pitti, pitti checked only cdrdao | 01:19 |
Riddell | right | 01:20 |
Riddell | AMIGrAve: I've added a note about kubuntu-devel to https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HelpingKubuntu and added a link to that from the faq | 01:25 |
AMIGrAve | Riddell: ok, i'm not sure the mail I sent to kubuntu-dev has acutally be sent (gmail trouble). If it's not, here are the patches : http://www.amigrave.com/upload/posts/qtorrent/ | 01:26 |
AMIGrAve | Riddell: do you get some sleep sometimes ? ;-) | 01:27 |
Riddell | AMIGrAve: kubuntu-devel got an e-mail from amigrave@gmail.com | 01:28 |
AMIGrAve | Riddell: is there a WNPP for kubuntu ? | 01:30 |
Riddell | AMIGrAve: what's one of those? | 01:30 |
cartel_ | riddell: debian use it as a list of orphaned/wishlist packages | 01:31 |
AMIGrAve | Riddell: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ | 01:31 |
cartel_ | Work-Needing and Prospective Package | 01:31 |
Riddell | oh right, no don't think so | 01:31 |
Riddell | but there's wiki pages | 01:31 |
Riddell | KubuntuSuggestedPackages is the one I pay attention to | 01:31 |
cartel_ | (k)ubuntu dont use itps either | 01:31 |
cartel_ | less beurocracy than debian | 01:32 |
cartel_ | but then kubuntu is much smaller | 01:32 |
cartel_ | in scope | 01:32 |
AMIGrAve | Riddell: i'll study more the wiki instead of asking questions that are probably in it ;-) I was just asking because I would like to help | 01:32 |
Riddell | AMIGrAve: asking is good | 01:32 |
cartel_ | amiga are you a debian developer? | 01:32 |
cartel_ | keysigned? | 01:32 |
AMIGrAve | cartel_: no, I even don't know yet how to package deb's ;-) | 01:33 |
cartel_ | AMIGrAve: just read the debian new maintainers guide | 01:33 |
cartel_ | :) | 01:33 |
AMIGrAve | cartel_: I wanted to learn that before but when I saw of difficult it was to help in debian I dropped | 01:34 |
AMIGrAve | cartel_: yep I saw a link in the wiki, i'll learn that | 01:34 |
Riddell | AMIGrAve: welcome to kubuntu :) | 01:34 |
AMIGrAve | thanks ;-) | 01:34 |
AMIGrAve | you all here have full time job outside of the pleasure of working on kubuntu ? | 01:35 |
Riddell | why would we want one of those? | 01:35 |
AMIGrAve | earn money to feed the pets, things like that ;-) | 01:36 |
Riddell | the household cat is quite fat enough, I'm going to refuse to feed him soon | 01:37 |
cartel_ | i unfortunately have a full time job | 01:37 |
uniq | I do to. | 01:38 |
uniq | full time + some.. | 01:38 |
AMIGrAve | yeah me too | 01:39 |
AMIGrAve | cartel_: how much time per week do you give to kubuntu ? | 01:40 |
cartel_ | none at the mo! | 01:40 |
uniq | I'm thinking of getting a mac mini.. nice little box.. | 01:41 |
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AMIGrAve | work in 6 hours going to bed, see you soon | 01:42 |
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Riddell | cartel_: what's that? | 01:49 |
apokryphos | Riddell: is knemo in properly? It's installed, but doesn't seem to be addable when trying to add applet | 01:51 |
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uniq | apokryphos: it's not applets.. it docks a icon into the systemtray for each device you add. | 01:52 |
apokryphos | uniq: I know :). But to add it, do you not Configure Panel > Add to Panel > Applet | 01:53 |
uniq | no. | 01:53 |
Riddell | never used knemo | 01:53 |
uniq | you configure it in control center. | 01:53 |
cartel_ | Riddell: triplea.sourceforge.net :) | 01:53 |
cartel_ | its not in debian | 01:53 |
apokryphos | I'm almost 90% sure that you should be able to add it that way. Quite sure I did it like that in the past | 01:54 |
uniq | control center - internet & network - network monitor | 01:54 |
apokryphos | Ah, control centre part is new in 0.3.1 | 01:55 |
dato | I believe it's in kalyxo, though | 01:58 |
cartel_ | dato: what is? | 01:58 |
dato | knemo | 01:59 |
uniq | it's in universe too. | 02:02 |
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uniq | systray full of crap.. even when most of the icons are hidden. | 02:09 |
uniq | gnite guys. | 02:56 |
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haggai | amu: I already spoke to pitti about cdrdao on #ubuntu-devel, and I agreed with him to use the internal pccts. I didn't say to you I was ready with cdrdao... | 10:29 |
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uniq | riddell: http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu - rosegarden4 packages for review. basically sid packages recompiled. | 02:43 |
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ttf | Kamion: some time back I've reported that even if you say "No" to download the language pack during install it will download it - has this been fixed? | 04:37 |
Kamion | ttf: yeah | 04:38 |
Kamion | should've been anyway. try a current daily | 04:38 |
ttf | k - thanks | 04:39 |
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mdz | morning | 06:32 |
mdz | I'd like to catch up with you guys about kubuntu release status and any outstanding issues | 06:34 |
mdz | when would be a good time? | 06:34 |
Riddell | mdz: I'm here, any time is good for me I think | 06:35 |
mdz | ok | 06:35 |
mdz | amu,haggai? | 06:35 |
haggai | mdz: yup | 06:36 |
haggai | mdz: I'm available all this evening | 06:37 |
Riddell | libtunepimp is still brining libmad onto the CD, do we need to recompile that? | 06:39 |
haggai | Riddell: what needs that? Can the depends be overriden? | 06:40 |
Riddell | haggai: juk, amarok | 06:40 |
haggai | hmm it links directly to libmad :( | 06:42 |
mdz | I can catch up with amu another time, let's talk now since you're both here | 06:42 |
mdz | we'd like to start a test cycle today or tomorrow | 06:43 |
Riddell | mdz: testing CDs? | 06:43 |
mdz | yes | 06:44 |
mdz | preparing for the final release on Friday | 06:45 |
Riddell | ok, what do we need to do? | 06:46 |
haggai | libtunepimp looks bad, it links directly to libmad, and is directly linked to by the juk and amarok binaries | 06:48 |
Riddell | haggai: it can be compiled to not use libmad easily enough, but presumably you then loose MP3 tagging ability | 06:48 |
haggai | Riddell: yes :( | 06:49 |
Riddell | but I'm not sure why juk uses libtunepimp when it has taglib | 06:49 |
haggai | mdz: so, outstanding issues I have are cdrdao and the mp3 issues. I'm trying to get xine tp use the external libmad atm | 06:53 |
mdz | haggai: I thought cdrdao was a non-issue, or that we only needed to disable the complaint | 06:54 |
Riddell | I'm looking at a couple of changes to the menus. also I'm trying and failing to make sense of python-kde3 which just doesn't want to work, but that's in universe. also akregator konq plugin has disappeared | 06:55 |
mdz | Riddell: I didn't think libmad had tagging functionality at all | 06:55 |
Riddell | mdz: no, libtunepimp does and it depends on libmad | 06:55 |
mdz | Riddell: but libtunepimp should be able to tag mp3s without libmad | 06:56 |
haggai | mdz: cdrdao does a better job of cd writing in dao mode than cdrecord | 06:56 |
haggai | mdz: k3b chooses it when available for certain tasks | 06:56 |
haggai | mdz: so I wanted to get it into main | 06:56 |
mdz | it's quite late to add new packages to the desktop | 06:56 |
mdz | adding it to supported should be achievable | 06:57 |
haggai | what are you thinking of re adding to desktop? It does not install anything other than binaries that are used by k3b, so I don't see a big danger here | 06:58 |
Riddell | haggai: I suspect libtunepimp is only used by musicbrains and not as the main tagger for both juk and amarok | 07:00 |
apokryphos | (amaroK uses solely TagLib) | 07:04 |
Riddell | apokryphos: but it also depends on libtunepimp | 07:04 |
apokryphos | yah, for MusicBrainz | 07:05 |
Riddell | I don't get why musicbrains doesn't depend on libtunepimp then instead of juk and amarok having to do it | 07:07 |
apokryphos | MusicBrainz is optional... amaroK doesn't depend on it; only amaroK with Musicbrainz support | 07:08 |
haggai | apokryphos: the problem is, amarok links directly to the libs so we can't make it optional at runtime | 07:13 |
Riddell | I think that removing libmad from tunepimp is the best way, you loose musicbrains support but not general tagging | 07:13 |
apokryphos | ah; quite a pickle. | 07:14 |
haggai | Riddell: right, sounds like it then | 07:14 |
haggai | python-tunepimp also uses libtunepimp but there are no packages that use it | 07:14 |
haggai | in libtunepimp configure.in: | 07:16 |
haggai | echo "* The MAD mp3 decoder is not installed. Please download " | 07:16 |
haggai | echo "* the decoder from http://www.mars.org/home/rob/proj/mpeg" | 07:16 |
haggai | echo "* to include MP3 TRM generation capabilities." | 07:16 |
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haggai | TRM creates a unique signature by analyzing thirty-seconds of an audio file for data values relating to a number of acoustic features | 07:17 |
Riddell | haggai: doesn't sound like too great a loss then | 07:17 |
Riddell | I'll upload a new tunepimp | 07:18 |
dato | er | 07:18 |
dato | nah, nvm. you loose the posibility of asking musicbrainz about mp3 files, but guess it's ok | 07:19 |
Riddell | better than removing musicbrainz from juk and amarok which is the other alternative | 07:21 |
Riddell | haggai: any opinion on having the kmenu use 32x32 icons? | 07:25 |
haggai | Riddell: looking at libtunepimp it seems the API/ABI does not change when you have libmad support, so people will be able to install a libmad-enabled package without needing to recompile juk/amarok | 07:27 |
haggai | Riddell: (icons) just the top level, or all levels? | 07:28 |
mdz | haggai: re: adding to desktop, I was thinking about cdrdao | 07:42 |
mdz | but if you only want it in supported, I think that's fine (given that the build-dependency is sorted out) | 07:42 |
mdz | do you guys have a preference between a separate Kubuntu announcement, and a joint announcement with Ubuntu? | 07:43 |
haggai | I think we should do 2 announcements. The kubuntu announce went a bit unnoticed tucked away below the ubuntu rc | 07:46 |
haggai | so I think 2 seperate mails to -announce would be better | 07:47 |
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motaboy | allee: hi! | 08:47 |
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allee | motaboy: hi! | 09:08 |
allee | motaboy: any news from the kbt front? | 09:08 |
motaboy | allee: none that I know. I'm trying to implement a debian alternatives for kbluepin | 09:55 |
motaboy | allee: BTW are you the digikam mantainer? | 09:55 |
allee | motaboy: yes. (we are three but the other two are quite busy for work/family) | 09:56 |
motaboy | allee: Is there an updated version for ubuntu? | 09:56 |
allee | motaboy: yes wait ... | 09:57 |
allee | http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/hoary/Pkgs.php | 09:57 |
allee | debian sid only is some minor cosmetics ahead | 09:58 |
allee | motaboy: alternatives, like /etc/alternatives or a wrapper script that calls kbluepin, bluepin-* depending on enviroment? | 10:00 |
allee | bb in some minute | 10:00 |
allee | s | 10:00 |
motaboy | allee: I was thinking about /etc/alternatives like suggested by haggai | 10:00 |
allee | motaboy: I'm not fan of such a solution because life is sometimes more complicated that 'everyone' uses KDE on this host ... | 10:02 |
allee | motaboy: but admitted it's better than the current 'edit the config file' | 10:02 |
mdz | haggai: ok, that can be arranged. would one of you like to do the kubuntu announcement? | 10:15 |
motaboy | allee: The wrapper can be a good idea, but I don't know how to get which de is running and how a users can override this choose with a preferred one. | 10:17 |
allee | motaboy: hmm, right it's still tricky. maybe having kbluetooth register with dbus like the python-dbus script would be much simpler | 10:29 |
allee | motaboy: sorry, bluez-pin isn't (was it ever?) a python script :( | 10:32 |
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Kamion | there are new Kubuntu daily install/live CDs up with most of today's installer changes (mostly just translations, but some a bit more intrusive), if folks want to test | 11:04 |
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elmo | Riddell: ? | 11:07 |
elmo | Riddell: your clock is broken and it's causing your gwenview upload to FTBFS | 11:07 |
haggai | mdz: ok, when do you need it? | 11:11 |
mdz | haggai: thursday evening UTC | 11:11 |
mdz | also, as Kamion mentioned, there's a new set of CDs up, and they need to be tested | 11:11 |
haggai | great thanks we'll get going on them | 11:12 |
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mdz | for the next few days, it would be a good idea to regularly sync up so that you're never far away from the latest ISO via rsync | 11:15 |
haggai | yes I had been until the daylies stoped | 11:23 |
cmf | uniq: hi, rosegarden pkg seems good, but as i requested in my comment, could you rename the executable to rosegarden rather than rosegarden4? also there doesn't seem to be an icon installed | 11:27 |
cmf | uniq: also the kmenu entry is rosegarden 4? should it not just be rosegarden? | 11:27 |
mdz | haggai: they only stopped for a short time around RC | 11:27 |
haggai | mdz: ah ok | 11:28 |
cmf | uniq: and no icon in titlebar ot taskbar, just teh blank document one when no icon is present, aside from that all good, thanks | 11:28 |
mdz | haggai: see #ubuntu-devel scrollback for the past 10 minutes or so, if you're seeing old ISOs | 11:28 |
uniq | cmf: I'll look into those glitches. | 11:29 |
cmf | uniq: thanks :) | 11:29 |
uniq | now it's basically a copy of the package from debian sid.. | 11:29 |
haggai | mdz: thanks, looks like my first connection is ok | 11:30 |
uniq | cmf: you have /usr/share/applnk/Multimedia/rosegarden.desktop don't you? | 11:34 |
uniq | there are icons too.. dpkg -L rosegarden4|grep rosegarden.png | 11:36 |
uniq | and two rosegarden.xpm's. | 11:36 |
cmf | yeah, there are icons, but when ypu type "rosegarden4" into run, it's just the cog, no rosegarden icon, and title bar and taskbar are the blank icon (blank page thing) | 11:37 |
uniq | ah.. | 11:37 |
uniq | input into run is easy to fix.. either rename the binary to rosegarden.. or rename the icons to rosegarden4.png | 11:38 |
uniq | I'll fix it in the package. | 11:39 |
cmf | okies | 11:39 |
cmf | you renaming th ebin? | 11:39 |
uniq | I'll look into coexsisting with rosegarden2.. | 11:40 |
cmf | okies | 11:41 |
cmf | but isn't rosegarden2 depreciated? | 11:41 |
cmf | and unmaintained? | 11:41 |
haggai | and not in ubuntu | 11:41 |
uniq | dunno. it's in universe. | 11:41 |
haggai | oh :) | 11:41 |
uniq | .. or not? | 11:41 |
uniq | Filename: pool/universe/r/rosegarden2/rosegarden2_2.1pl4-2_amd64.deb | 11:41 |
uniq | if we could remove that.. it wouldn't be a problem at all. | 11:42 |
haggai | rosegarden - An integrated MIDI sequencer and musical notation editor | 11:42 |
haggai | rosegarden2 - An integrated MIDI sequencer and musical notation editor | 11:42 |
haggai | rosegarden4 - Music Editor and MIDI/Audio Sequencer | 11:42 |
haggai | hmm | 11:42 |
uniq | rosegarden is rosegarden2. | 11:42 |
uniq | rosegarden4 is the only useable. | 11:42 |
haggai | I think I'd just conflict with the others, and start procedures to get rosegarden removed | 11:43 |
haggai | well, rosegarden2 removed :) | 11:43 |
uniq | sure. | 11:43 |
uniq | /usr/bin/rosegarden2 | 11:44 |
uniq | i think we safely can use /usr/bin/rosegarden | 11:44 |
haggai | yup, and conflict with rosegarden2, rosegarden | 11:44 |
uniq | and maybe change the rosegarden package.. to be a meta-package for rosegarden4 instead. | 11:44 |
uniq | wouldn't need to conflict.. | 11:45 |
uniq | rosegarden2 uses /usr/bin/rosegarden2.. | 11:45 |
haggai | or.. just rename the whole thing to rosegarden | 11:45 |
haggai | (package) | 11:45 |
uniq | even better. | 11:45 |
uniq | that's probably the best solution. | 11:46 |
uniq | haha.. | 11:46 |
uniq | rosegarden2 is -OLD- | 11:46 |
uniq | "One of the Rosegarden programs has just died, horribly." | 11:47 |
uniq | heh.. nice. | 11:47 |
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haggai | * The package for rosegarden 2.1 has been renamed to "rosegarden2" | 11:48 |
haggai | "rosegarden" is now a dummy package depending on "rosegarden2". In | 11:48 |
haggai | future Debian releases "rosegarden" will be the Debian package | 11:48 |
haggai | holding Rosegarden version 4, now in package "rosegarden4". | 11:48 |
uniq | in future versions :) | 11:48 |
haggai | last upload was 2004-08-14 :) | 11:48 |
haggai | so that doesn't reflect the 1.0 upload yet | 11:49 |
haggai | I'd say 1.0 is a pretty good future version to do the rename | 11:50 |
uniq | the ap is actually reffered to as rosegarden 4 on the project homepage.. | 11:55 |
uniq | http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/ | 11:55 |
uniq | ap/app | 11:55 |
uniq | maybe it's better to make a replacement rosegarden package.. that depends on rosegarden4.. instead of renaming the package.. what do you think? | 11:56 |
uniq | the rpms are named rosegarden4 | 11:57 |
cmf | i think just naming rosegarden, but that's just me... | 11:59 |
uniq | it's probably easier. | 11:59 |
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