[12:08] <motaboy> mmm gentoo...
[12:09] <Verwilst> bbl!
[12:10] <uniq> never tried gentoo.. don't have the patience to wait for compiling of everything.. xorg, kde, openoffice, gimp, etc.. would take days.
[12:10] <puckman> Hello there.
[12:11] <uniq> hello mr.
[12:11] <puckman> I just played with the live cd from kubuntu
[12:11] <puckman> OW
[12:11] <puckman> WOW
[12:11] <uniq> kde rocks, doesn't it?
[12:11] <puckman> Looks good enough to even ditch my mac osx
[12:11] <puckman> Sure does
[12:11] <apokryphos> :)
[12:11] <uniq> linux on powerpc is great too.
[12:11] <puckman> I first tried ubuntu and thought that was nice but lacking in speed
[12:12] <puckman> and then I tried kubuntu
[12:12] <puckman> it FLIES
[12:12] <puckman> it is soo fast on my shitty 400mhz powerbook
[12:12] <puckman> that I decided to stick it on my main machine as well
[12:12] <puckman> Cant wait to install it tomorrow
[12:13] <puckman> I left my machine at work downloading the install cd.
[12:13] <uniq> :)
[12:13] <puckman> It also seems to support the hardware better, is that possible?
[12:13] <uniq> .. I don
[12:13] <puckman> Streaming audio did not work properly under ubuntu but fine under kubuntu
[12:14] <uniq> 't know.. never installed kubuntu, or booted the livecd :/
[12:14] <StR> kubuntu showed my dvd on the desktop..   is kde using hal?  is it a kde3.4 feature or a ubuntu feature?
[12:14] <puckman> Download it!
[12:14] <puckman> It is fantastic!
[12:14] <puckman> Gui is to die for.
[12:16] <uniq> puckman: I use kubuntu though.. or ubuntu with kde installed :)
[12:16] <puckman> ah, yes I read that after I downloaded it, I did not know you could switch from an installed OS
[12:16] <puckman> very clever.
[12:22] <uniq> it is.
[12:22] <uniq> the supercow powers of apt-get.
[12:22] <uniq> :)
[12:23] <puckman> hehehe
[12:23] <puckman> Wont be able to sleep tonight, there is an iso of kubuntu with my name on it at the office
[12:23] <puckman> maybe I should hop on the scooter and get it? :P
[12:29] <cartel_> i thought kubuntu amarok played mp3 fine??
[12:29] <cartel_> do i need to install libraries?
[12:30] <uniq> try to get akode-mpeg
[12:31] <cartel_> thx
[12:32] <uniq> does it work? 
[12:32] <puckman> I used the live cd and could play streaming audio, mp3's straight out of the box on a shitty old 400mhz mac
[12:33] <cartel_> whats the best kind of portable headphone at the moment
[12:33] <cartel_> for instance to use on my zaurus
[12:35] <puckman> ooh zaurus
[12:35] <uniq> don't know.. i like the Koss PortaPro
[12:35] <puckman> I would not mind one of those
[12:35] <puckman> I love my sony ones.
[12:37] <apokryphos> cartel_: it does play MP3s fine
[12:41] <cartel_> not here, only ogg
[12:41] <cartel_> i installed akode-mpeg and restarted amarok
[12:42] <cartel_> uniq: i just got the koss The Plug
[12:43] <cartel_> it seems funny, that it would include mp3 streams in the default playlist, but not be able to play them
[12:45] <hunger> kubuntu/hoary does not start X for me.
[12:45] <hyphenated> has anyone here done an apt-get dist-upgrade to hoary (from ubuntu warty), and then installed kubuntu-desktop ?
[12:45] <hunger> Missing fonts...
[12:45] <hyphenated> I am having trouble making the fonts look right in GTK apps under KDE
[12:45] <uniq> hyphenated: yes.
[12:46] <uniq> ther's a option for that in control center.. 
[12:46] <hunger> Ah! I have to install kubuntu-desktop after the install.
[12:46] <hyphenated> is it a known problem, or is it just a problem on my machine?
[12:47] <eckhart> what exactly is in ubuntu-base?
[12:47] <eckhart> is it possible to remove that package?
[12:47] <uniq> hyphenated: in control center - look and feel - gtk styles and fonts
[12:48] <uniq> eckhart: it's a meta-package depending on the packages needed to make basic system stuff work.
[12:49] <eckhart> so it's mainly for installing ubuntu?
[12:49] <hyphenated> uniq: uh.. I can't find "look and feel". putting it in the search tab brings up "Theme Manager" as the result
[12:50] <uniq> yes.. or.. well.. it's basically just a load of more or less essential packages.. you will need them after installation too.
[12:50] <uniq> hyphenated: sorry.. i'm translating kde-stuff from norwegian.. will find the correct name.. 2 sec.
[12:50] <eckhart> but if i understand correctly, it does not do anything if i remove it?
[12:51] <hyphenated> uniq: thanks, I appreciate the help so far
[12:54] <uniq> hyphenated: appearance & themes - gtk styles and fonts
[12:55] <hyphenated> ok, I have 'appearance & themes', but nothing underneath it about gtk
[12:57] <uniq> hum.. 
[12:59] <uniq> hyphenated: get gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[12:59] <uniq> apt-get install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[12:59] <uniq> or use kynaptic/synaptic.
[01:00] <hyphenated> uniq: and as if by magic, it appears :-)
[01:00] <hyphenated> uniq: thank you very much for pointing me at that
[01:00] <__P__3> libvorbis 1.1 
[01:00] <__P__3> ?
[01:01] <uniq> hyphenated: no problem, hope it works.
[01:01] <__P__3> mplayer ask  me  for  this  lib  and libfontconfig 
[01:01] <virgiln> what do I have to do to port locate (kioslave) from a debian package to kubuntu package?
[01:01] <uniq> __p__3: are you compiling or running mplayer? 
[01:02] <__P__3> installing new with  synaptic 
[01:02] <Riddell> virgiln: get a hoary chroot, grab the packages and see if it compiles
[01:02] <uniq> __p__3: libvoribs is named libvoribs0a
[01:03] <uniq> libfontconfig is named libfontconfig1
[01:04] <virgiln> Riddell: ok, thx, it compiles... looking at debian mantainership files
[01:13] <motaboy> Night All!
[01:16] <hyphenated> uniq: now everything looks normal and gorgeous.
[01:16] <uniq> great :)
[01:16] <godsmoke> I had KWallet closed when first configuring KMail -- and so KMail complained ... and I went on -- now that I've started KWallet, all other applications integrate fine -- but KMail continues to say that KWallet is inaccessable -- tried restarting KDE, doesn't seem to make a difference -- any ideas?
[01:17] <hyphenated> now how do I trick them into adding it to the kubuntu-desktop metapackage? :-)
[01:17] <hyphenated> (it was probably a recommended package that I overlooked when I did the apt-get install)
[01:18] <Riddell> hyphenated: adding what?
[01:19] <uniq> gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[01:19] <uniq> it's in universe.
[01:20] <Riddell> hmm yes, we should move that into main
[01:20] <Riddell> but it can't go on the CD because it depends on gtk
[01:20] <uniq> and.. maybe we should make remove-gnome packages.. that conflicts with some of the essential gnome-stuff.. and same for KDE too.. get alot of questions about removing gnome, and removing kde.. 
[01:21] <uniq> but.. that's a bitch anyway.. 
[01:22] <Riddell> I bet dpkg has a sensible way to purge gnome stuff
[01:22] <uniq> riddell: i'm building rosegarden4 1.0-1ubuntu1 now.. from the debian sources..
[01:22] <uniq> well..
[01:22] <uniq> apt-get --purge remove libgnome2-0
[01:22] <uniq> easiest..
[01:22] <uniq> and re-install mozilla-firefox
[01:23] <uniq> and any other package you'd like.. that disappear.. 
[01:23] <Riddell> does firefox depend on libgnome?
[01:23] <uniq> aparently.. 
[01:23] <Riddell> maybe for the ubuntu theme
[01:23] <mhz> re
[01:23] <mhz> uniq: ping
[01:24] <uniq> there is a separate -gnome-support package.. for firefox.
[01:24] <uniq> mhz: ack
[01:24] <mhz> uniq: :)
[01:24] <mhz> uniq: I just feel stupid but no way my audio cds are played.
[01:24] <mhz> uniq: kscd
[01:24] <mhz> audio: unknown soundsystem '1'
[01:24] <mhz> cdda: setup_soundsystem failed
[01:24] <mhz> audio: unknown soundsystem '1'
[01:24] <mhz> cdda: setup_soundsystem failed
[01:25] <apokryphos> Riddell: yeah, it does. The one in the repositories does at least.
[01:25] <uniq> strange.. don't know.. havent had a audiocd for years.. :/
[01:25] <mhz> I set alsa, direct digital playback, /dev/dsp
[01:26] <uniq> probably easier to set oss.. and use oss emulation for alsa.. 
[01:26] <uniq> two kernel modules.. which probably are loaded already.
[01:26] <mhz> uniq: hmmm, I changed alsa for arts and now I hear something but v-er-y cu-t s-ou-nd
[01:27] <Riddell> mhz: mp3?
[01:27] <uniq> mhz: chmod +s /usr/bin/artswrapper
[01:27] <mhz> Riddell: audio cd (Marillion)
[01:28] <uniq> riddell: i'm building ubuntu packages of rosegarden4 now.. from the debian source. only changed the version basically.. 
[01:29] <Riddell> uniq: cool, make sure it all works and slap it on a webserver somewhere and add a link next to the entry on HelpingKubuntu
[01:29] <uniq> I will.
[01:30] <uniq> I don't have the program locally though.. i'm doing everything via ssh.. on my server.. cant download shit on this dialup connection.. hopeless.
[01:30] <apokryphos> uniq: rosengarden4 -- what is that?
[01:30] <uniq> apokryphos: apt-cache show
[01:30] <uniq>  :)
[01:32] <apokryphos> uniq: you want me to apt-cache show it? Erm, pretty sure I don't have it. No results.
[01:32] <uniq> oh.
[01:33] <uniq> you don't have universe then? 
[01:33] <apokryphos> though, I don't know what it is, so can't be sure of me not having it :P
[01:33] <apokryphos> Sure do
[01:33] <apokryphos> darn it; spelling wrong
[01:33] <uniq> :)
[01:33] <uniq> Music Editor and MIDI/Audio Sequencer - anyway ;)
[01:34] <apokryphos> well, late now ;-). But so I see; thanks.
[01:34] <uniq> very late.. should be sleeping hours ago.. but you know.. this linux stuff is addictive.
[01:35] <apokryphos> I meant late as in, late delivery of information :P, but yeah, it's pretty late here too.
[01:36] <uniq> ah.. It's late as in late here.. (you probably figured already.. by that reply.. )
[01:45] <moominski> how can i get a list of progran
[01:45] <moominski> programs! in the repositories
[01:45] <Riddell> moominski: dpkg --get-selections
[01:46] <uniq> that's for the installed packages..
[01:46] <uniq> in the repositories? 
[01:46] <uniq> start kynaptic
[01:46] <moominski> ah ok
[01:48] <mhz> sudo kynaptic, though
[01:50] <uniq> you're right.. sudo.. of course.
[01:51] <DangerousBanger> does someone here use nicotine (a soulseek client)
[01:51] <DangerousBanger> ?
[01:52] <uniq> I've got it installed.. yes.
[01:54] <virgiln> I built a kio_locate deb, I'm kinda new at building debs, so it'd be nice if someone else would check it out to make sure it works
[01:54] <virgiln> but otherwise, I'd like to upload it to a repo
[01:55] <DangerousBanger> uniq:  in Kubuntu?
[01:55] <uniq> dangerousbanger: yes.
[01:55] <DangerousBanger> uniq:  i can't.... there's a problem
[01:56] <Riddell> virgiln: add it to the MOTU page for new packages 
[01:56] <Riddell> virgiln: you need to find 3 people to review it (I'll do it but not tonight)
[01:56] <uniq> dangerousbanger: what's the problem? 
[01:56] <virgiln> Riddell: ok, no hurry
[01:57] <uniq> riddell: 3 motus ? 
[01:57] <DangerousBanger> uniq: when I try to run it, it asks for pygtk 2.4.... But 2.6 is installed...
[01:57] <uniq> dangerousbanger: did you install it with kynaptic/synaptic/apt-get ? 
[01:57] <DangerousBanger> python-gtk2 
[01:58] <DangerousBanger> uniq: the two ways... apt-get and downloading the pack in the nicotine's site
[01:58] <uniq> I did it the apt-get way.. and that works.
[01:59] <DangerousBanger> what could be wrong?
[01:59] <uniq> just remove the downloaded package from nicotiens site.. and remove all the files from it.. 
[01:59] <DangerousBanger> uniq: can I past here the error message?
[01:59] <uniq> then do: apt-get install --reinstall nicotine
[01:59] <DangerousBanger> uniq: I already did that...
[02:00] <uniq> dangerousbanger: if it's not too many lines it should be ok.
[02:00] <Riddell> uniq: yes
[02:00] <uniq> riddell: ok.
[02:00] <Riddell> virgiln: make a note on KubuntuHelpers too
[02:01] <virgiln> do I have to make an account to make changes to the wiki?
[02:02] <virgiln> ok, don't worry about it, I'll just make an acocunt
[02:02] <DangerousBanger> uniq: http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=36568
[02:03] <DangerousBanger> uniq: i put the error message there, can you take a look:
[02:04] <sander__> Isn't it ironic that a company founded by someone who got his money from thawte (or whatever) would have unsigned certificates for its web pages?
[02:05] <cartel_> nicotene is fugly
[02:06] <uniq> dangerousbanger: try: apt-get install python-gtk2 python2.4-gtk2 python2.4-numeric
[02:06] <Riddell> virgiln: yes you do
[02:06] <DangerousBanger> uniq: first uninstall python-gtk2 2.6 ?
[02:07] <uniq> no, apt-get will tell you if that is neccessary..
[02:07] <kbitty> is the first release going to be a packaged cd and sent for free?
[02:08] <godsmoke> is the printing system working for anyone?
[02:08] <uniq> kbitty: not kubuntu as far as i'm aware.. only ubuntu.
[02:08] <godsmoke> under both "normal user" and "administrator" modes, when trying to add a printer, it just crashes
[02:08] <regeya> what just crashes?
[02:10] <DangerousBanger> uniq: same thing... it didint work :(
[02:10] <uniq> dangerousbanger: the n I don't know.
[02:13] <DangerousBanger> :(
[02:16] <apokryphos> regeya: I presume they're talking about kcontrol
[02:16] <regeya> well, I don't really want to presume :-)
[02:17] <regeya> it's really annoying; someone asks if printing is working, says 'it just crashes'
[02:17] <apokryphos> though, then again, it might be the printer setup thing :D
[02:17] <regeya> then doesn't answer when someone asks a question about it
[02:17] <regeya> to be fair, it's been a rough day for me and it's getting worse...nevermind.  I'm going to find some bourbon.
[02:17] <apokryphos> :)
[02:27] <regeya> even an "oh wait nevermind I managed to set up my printer thanks anyways" would be ok, godsmoke
[02:29] <godsmoke> regeya: sorry, I was fooling around with it
[02:29] <godsmoke> it's still crashing
[02:29] <regeya> what's still crashing?
[02:30] <regeya> #@%!
[02:30] <godsmoke> the "kde printing control center"
[02:32] <delltony_> apokryphos, if you ever figure out your sound my friend please hit me up with an email. i don't get it its very strange that ac97 card :(
[02:33] <uniq> delltony_: which card? 
[02:33] <apokryphos> delltony_: were you the one that posted in that thread, too?
[02:33] <delltony_> yeah long time back
[02:33] <apokryphos> I've asked a couple of the pros (daniels, bob2) but nothing; might be something I'll have to deal with.
[02:33] <delltony_> and then it just got aborted
[02:33] <delltony_> so i gave up
[02:33] <delltony_> i never got an update 
[02:34] <delltony_> and i have done exactly like they have stated
[02:34] <apokryphos> delltony_: so you're getting no sound at all?
[02:34] <delltony_> no let me clarify
[02:34] <delltony_> i get sound and all works fine but here is the catch
[02:34] <delltony_> master controls no volume at all unless speakers are pluged up
[02:34] <delltony_> then and only then does master do anything
[02:34] <delltony_> on a normal use only pcm mono and headphones work
[02:35] <godsmoke> sounds like fun hardware
[02:35] <delltony_> yeah no kiddin
[02:35] <apokryphos> delltony_: Oh. You use those much?
[02:35] <apokryphos> I never use anything but speakers here... so it's mildly annoying that I'm only getting output from [less than]  half of them
[02:35] <godsmoke> delltony: this is a laptop, right?
[02:36] <delltony_> correct
[02:36] <delltony_> dell xps
[02:36] <godsmoke> you using oss or alsa?
[02:36] <delltony_> alsa
[02:36] <godsmoke> hrm, and using alsamixer, you get these problems too?
[02:36] <delltony_> its a known issue
[02:36] <godsmoke> ah, ok
[02:36] <delltony_> bugreport has been filed
[02:36] <delltony_> but
[02:36] <delltony_> they just totally abandoned it
[02:36] <godsmoke> a bug for what?
[02:36] <godsmoke> the alsa driver?
[02:36] <delltony_> hang on let me find it
[02:36] <delltony_> yeah
[02:41] <delltony_> let me find the bug report hang on
[02:42] <delltony_> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7247
[02:42] <delltony_> there you go
[02:43] <godsmoke> uhm ...
[02:43] <godsmoke> didn't you say this was an alsa driver bug?
[02:44] <delltony_> LSA folk: what can we do to get this working for all sound devices
[02:44] <delltony_> automatically?  Do we need to create a mapping of cards to default mixer controls?
[02:44] <delltony_> they did
[02:44] <godsmoke> well, if this is an alsa bug
[02:44] <godsmoke> then: https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/
[02:45] <delltony_> i'm just going by what ubuntu stated
[02:45] <delltony_> i don't know who to blame if anyone
[02:47] <Gokhan-_> #mandrake
[02:56] <uniq> well.. gnite people.
[03:03] <apokryphos> 'night
[03:13] <StR_gt> what is the gui app to download upgrades for kubuntu?
[03:14] <apokryphos> StR_gt: available GUI package managers -- there is Kynaptic and KPackage
[03:18] <StR_gt> apokryphos: but pkackage cannot get files? just manage the installed, right?
[03:18] <apokryphos> StR_gt: Nope; it can do both very well. I use it myself. :)
[03:19] <StR_gt> kpackage looks better than kynaptic
[03:19] <apokryphos> It's more advanced, yes.
[03:20] <StR_gt> but the kpackage just opens a terminal and runs apt-get
[03:20] <StR_gt> is not like synaptic
[03:21] <apokryphos> No, KPackage/Kynaptic/Synaptic are all the same at the back -- they're all front-ends to apt.
[03:21] <apokryphos> When synaptic does something, it does it through using apt.
[03:23] <godsmoke> StR_gt: I suppose you haven't seen synaptic run :) -- because it does exactly that -- open up a terminal window, and show you the output of apt
[03:24] <StR_gt> godsmoke: I saw a nice progressive bar.....
[03:24] <godsmoke> for the downloading
[03:24] <godsmoke> not for the apt part
[03:24] <StR_gt> but i'm ok with konsole
[03:24] <StR_gt> godsmoke: yes...
[03:24] <godsmoke> yes ...
[03:24] <StR_gt> godsmoke: for the download
[03:24] <godsmoke> right
[03:24] <godsmoke> so?
[03:24] <godsmoke> it just opens a terminal anyway
[03:25] <godsmoke> for the apt output
[03:25] <StR_gt> godsmoke: I was just asking, I just wanted to know...
[03:25] <godsmoke> anyway -- there's no reason you can't run synaptic if that's what you want
[03:26] <StR_gt> godsmoke: na...    
[03:26] <godsmoke> what does that mean?
[03:26] <StR_gt> is there a mozilla-kde or mozilla-qt pkg?
[03:27] <apokryphos> StR_gt: nope, but the manual installation process isn't too long at all
[03:27] <StR_gt> and for firefox?
[03:27] <godsmoke> StR_gt: why can't you run synaptic?
[03:27] <godsmoke> is there a problem with it?
[03:27] <StR_gt> godsmoke: I don't like gtk/gnome apps
[03:27] <regeya> firefox, well, there's only one firefox for linux.
[03:27] <godsmoke> StR_gt: heh
[03:27] <regeya> blame the mozilla people.
[03:28] <regeya> let's base a toolkit-agnostic browser on gtk!
[03:28] <godsmoke> it wasn't an unreasonable decision
[03:28] <godsmoke> firefox was mostly an attempt to bring konqueror features to mozilla
[03:29] <regeya> nnnnnnnnnnn
[03:29] <StR_gt> konqueror still  doesn't work on konqueror...    well.. it works, but not with the javascript
[03:29] <godsmoke> I'd use knoqueror if it actually had the following that firefox did -- I need my adblock and stuff
[03:30] <apokryphos> StR_gt: why isn't javascript working?
[03:30] <StR_gt> apokryphos: I cannot click on the mails in the list after I login...
[03:31] <apokryphos> StR_gt: what mails?
[03:31] <StR_gt> in my gmail....
[03:31] <StR_gt> LOL.. i read again my post
[03:31] <StR_gt> i meant   gmail still doesn't work on konqueror
[03:31] <apokryphos> It does, but there isn't full support for it
[03:32] <apokryphos> why not use kmail, anyhow?
[03:32] <apokryphos> It's great
[03:32] <apokryphos> intergration with kontact is nice, too.
[03:32] <godsmoke> yes, I must say
[03:32] <godsmoke> kmail is pretty impressively done
[03:32] <StR_gt> right... but I love the gmail system....
[03:32] <regeya> indeed
[03:32] <regeya> kmail is great
[03:33] <regeya> if rangerrick and co. ever get kde going well on os x, look out
[03:33] <godsmoke> ...
[03:34] <godsmoke> StR_gt: the interface, you mean?
[03:34] <godsmoke> or what did you mean by "gmail system"?
[03:34] <StR_gt> godsmoke: yes  the interface
[03:34] <StR_gt> and the gmailfs  ;)
[03:35] <pussfeller> what module I need to load for isa
[03:35] <pussfeller> an isa sound card
[03:39] <cyfa> hi
[03:45] <regeya> isa sound card!
[03:45] <regeya> wow!
[04:08] <pussfeller> old ibm
[04:10] <pussfeller> in the kubuntu livecd its notrecognized and insmoding the snd_azt gives unresolved symbols
[04:26] <StR_gt> has anyone tried privoxy?
[04:31] <StR_gt> why does firefox need all those pkgs?
[04:32] <godsmoke> which packages would you be referring to?
[04:44] <StR_gt> gconf2 gnome-keyring gnome-mime-data libbonoboui2-0 libgconf2-4 libglade2-0 libgnome-keyring0 libgnome2-0 libgnome2-common libgnomecanvas2-0 libgnomecanvas2-common
[04:44] <StR_gt> etc etc etc
[04:45] <godsmoke> those are not firefox dependencies
[04:45] <godsmoke> they're subdependencies
[04:45] <Mirno> hi
[04:45] <Mirno> Just installed kubuntu on my laptop
[04:45] <Mirno> It's greate i must say
[04:45] <StR_gt> godsmoke: so firefox should work without those libs?
[04:46] <godsmoke> did I say that?
[04:46] <godsmoke> no
[04:46] <godsmoke> they're subdependencies
[04:46] <godsmoke> things that are required by things firefox depends on
[04:46] <godsmoke> well, some of those, obviously, like libgnome are needed :)
[04:47] <StR_gt> but libbonoboui2?
[04:47] <godsmoke> dude
[04:47] <godsmoke> are you impaired?
[04:47] <godsmoke> just look at the dependencies of mozilla-firefox
[04:47] <godsmoke> those are the things that are required
[04:47] <godsmoke> directly
[04:48] <godsmoke> anyway
[04:48] <godsmoke> that type of stuff is not unusual for a browser
[04:48] <godsmoke> knoqueror has an equally long list
[04:48] <godsmoke> konqueror*
[05:02] <sander__> Has anyone successfully changed their timezone? I keep resetting it and it changes back to UTC.
[05:03] <Zugot> how do i keep apt-get from upgrading my custom version of k3b?
[05:03] <sander__> Zugot: you can pin it.
[05:05] <sander__> Zugot: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html
[05:17] <cartel_> i have returned
[05:43] <LeeJunFan> Zugot: I think you might be able to uninstall k3b, install your version after. apt won't update what it doesn't see as installed.
[05:45] <Roey> Zugot:  dude your nick just too much like Hebrew, do you know what it means? (yes I know I've brought this up before)
[05:46] <LeeJunFan> sander__: how are you going about changing your TZ?
[05:48] <sander__> LeeJunFan: I looked the tz is set correctly, but KDE for some reason keeps resetting itself back to utc.
[05:49] <LeeJunFan> sander__: if you run tzconfig it says your correct TZ?
[05:50] <sander__> yes it's right, but when I set the time in the KDE clock setting it defaults back to UTC. I'll wait to reboot though to see if it's a permenant bug or not.
[05:50] <LeeJunFan> sander__: hrm. I just noticed KDE has mine set to pacific time, I'm eastern.
[05:51] <LeeJunFan> sander__: nevermind, my stupitidy there. Wrong place.
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> sander__: of course if I do adjust time and date, enter my password, nothing happens. :( Man that really sucks. I have that problem with a lot of KDE apps.
[05:54] <sander__> Yeah, I made the change and I can get it to set temporarily, but it resets itself. I can manually select my timezone and it works, but I have my timezone name in place of the date.
[06:04] <Zugot> Roey: yes, I know what Zugot means
[06:04] <Zugot> and my nick matches my personality
[06:05] <Roey> "pairs" ?=
[06:06] <Zugot> yup
[06:06] <Zugot> i swear i have a split personality
[06:08] <_phate_> how do I get the default KDE desktop icons back?
[06:09] <Roey> Zugot:   :)
[06:10] <regeya> _phate_: Control Center->Appearance & Themes->Icons
[06:10] <regeya> one less step than in gnome *runs*
[06:11] <_phate_> regeya: ?
[06:11] <regeya> _phate_: ?
[06:11] <_phate_> regeya: where does it say to enable them
[06:11] <regeya> enable?
[06:12] <regeya> you don't have desktop icons then
[06:12] <regeya> oh!
[06:12] <_phate_> the icons are missing from the desktop, how do I get them back
[06:12] <regeya> Control Center->Desktop->Behavior
[06:12] <regeya> sorry
[06:14] <_phate_> I hit show icons on the desktop, hit apply, then refreshed, still no icons
[06:15] <_phate_> do I need to apt-get something?
[06:16] <regeya> is this the first time you've tried to run kde on this system?
[06:16] <_phate_> well yes
[06:17] <StR> how was it con configure kopete so that it re-login after disconnect?
[06:41] <regeya> cookie service?
[06:41] <regeya> cookie SERVICE???!?
[06:42] <regeya> guh.
[06:42] <regeya> Unable to start the cookie handler service.
[06:42] <regeya> You will not be able to manage the cookies that are stored on your computer.
[06:43] <regeya> cookie handler service.  honest to pete.
[06:46] <cartel_> kcookiejar
[06:49] <Rene_S> hmm not having super user mode terminal and filemanager is a bit of a headache
[07:06] <Rene_S> Hmmm sudo and kde do not seem to play well with one and other.
[07:31] <xLobeznox> hi
[07:31] <xLobeznox> k3b is broken on ubuntu hoary, when I add mp3 to a cd-a project said me format not supported
[07:32] <xLobeznox> I had time ago same problem in sarge but they updated after and fixed that
[07:32] <xLobeznox> why in hoary still the problem?
[07:32] <xLobeznox> is newer than sarge
[07:38] <cartel_> why is the title in my titlebar say firefox-bin while the title bar in the window says mozilla firefox
[07:40] <loren> becuase the .exe or .whatever is firefox-bin i think
[07:40] <Roey> hi
[07:40] <loren> whoah hey ROY!
[07:40] <Roey> does kaffeine crash for anyone else here?
[07:40] <Roey> say no
[07:40] <Roey> I dare you
[07:40] <Roey> hey loren!!!
[07:40] <loren> it used to crash for me roy, but that's why i dont use it anymore
[07:40] <Roey> ah
[07:40] <Roey> like
[07:40] <Roey> kubuntu kaffeine?
[07:40] <Roey> the thing crashes on exit
[07:40] <Roey> it crashes when opening files
[07:40] <Roey> fuck
[07:40] <Roey> I'm going to recompile kde
[07:41] <Roey> I don't have alternate keyboard layouts available
[07:41] <Roey> this sucks!
[07:41] <loren> not kubuntu kaffine, but kaffine in gneereal
[07:41] <Roey> there's no python-kde package for ubuntu
[07:41] <Roey> ah
[07:41] <Roey> loren:  SO many things are messed up with this distribution :(
[07:41] <Roey> also,
[07:41] <Roey> this raid is /not/ working as it should.
[07:41] <loren> you think so roey? i've found actually a few things that are irritating, i hope they improve it because i REALLY REALLY like the distro
[07:42] <Roey> NVidia causes massive lockup upon startin x.
[07:42] <Roey> when debian adopts xorg and amd64 I'm switching back
[07:42] <loren> i might have to switch to a RPM disto though :( coz CCRMA only supports RPM crap
[07:42] <Roey> ah
[07:42] <Roey> CCRMA?
[07:42] <loren> Nvidia does have problems i deffinatly admit
[07:42] <loren> it's for music
[07:42] <loren> a site for developers with tons of rpms
[07:42] <loren> even though i believe debian can install RPM's
[07:43] <Roey> ah
[07:43] <loren> Roey: what distro are you moving to?
[07:43] <Roey> Debian Proper.
[07:43] <Roey> loren,
[07:43] <Roey> *so* many things are broken here
[07:43] <Roey> I am going out of my mind
[07:43] <cartel_> Roey: xorg will be sarge+1
[07:43] <Roey> this has been a nightmare for the past three weeks
[07:43] <Roey> cartel_:  sid
[07:44] <cartel_> no sarge +1
[07:44] <Roey> cartel_:  I'll go to sid once Sarge comes out
[07:44] <loren> really?
[07:44] <cartel_> sid will always be sid
[07:44] <Roey> that's what I was before
[07:44] <Roey> that's what I'll move to
[07:44] <Roey> see,
[07:44] <Roey> with sid:
[07:44] <Roey> 1) I compiled KDE by hand
[07:44] <cartel_> sid is unstable
[07:44] <Roey> 2) I compiled the kernel by hand
[07:44] <loren> i've had quite a few problems, but i like the disto hmmh, i wish it didn't have so much broken, but i wish Debian.org had KDE3.4 in apt-get
[07:44] <Roey> it's more stable than kubuntu.
[07:44] <Roey> for me
[07:44] <cartel_> with sid you get 1000 packages updated per day
[07:44] <Roey> loren:  aye
[07:44] <cartel_> and also the release cycle is disdended
[07:44] <loren> SID?
[07:45] <cartel_> loren: debian unstable branch
[07:45] <loren> i tried that in apt get
[07:45] <Roey> cartel_:  hey, I just had my computer gradually lock up for NO REASON. First kaffeine stops working (hangs on a read() call, according to strace.  THen ps aux starts hanging. 
[07:45] <Roey> cartel_:  all of this in the course of /using the system/.
[07:45] <cartel_> Roey: sounds like hardware fault
[07:45] <Roey> cartel_:  that's unstable for me
[07:45] <loren> hmmh
[07:45] <Roey> nothing's wrong witht he hardware
[07:45] <Roey> hardware's been used for a year now
[07:45] <cartel_> windows run fine?
[07:45] <Roey> it's the distro, and I'm switching.
[07:45] <cartel_> off you go then
[07:45] <Roey> cartel_:  debian sid ran fine
[07:46] <cartel_> stop staying here and bitching
[07:46] <Roey> cartel_:  I guess so
[07:46] <Roey> cartel_:  enough with this.
[07:46] <cartel_> Roey: what architecture?
[07:46] <verden01> Hi
[07:46] <Roey> cartel_:  amd64
[07:46] <Roey> hi verden01 
[07:46] <cartel_> ack
[07:46] <Roey> what?
[07:46] <verden01> hi Roey
[07:46] <loren> yea, im still trying to figure out what distro im going to use, coz imo i have to have something stable, graphical, and easily/least modifications possible coz it's OEM
[07:46] <Roey> loren:  sid = still in development
[07:46] <Roey> loren:   or alternatively,
[07:46] <loren> ah
[07:46] <Roey> loren:  Sid from Toy Story
[07:46] <cartel_> Roey: get it through your head man
[07:46] <Roey> loren:  (the guy who breaks toys)(
[07:46] <cartel_> sid is not sarge + 1
[07:47] <loren> roey: rofl lol
[07:47] <cartel_> sid is unstable
[07:47] <Roey> cartel_:  I didn't say that!
[07:47] <Roey> cartel_:  sid is "stable enough for me ;)"
[07:47] <cartel_> sid = anything goes
[07:47] <Roey> YES I know :)
[07:47] <Roey> I've been on sid for years now
[07:47] <loren> anyone know if Ark Linux is any good?
[07:47] <Roey> well
[07:47] <Roey> until I tried kubuntu
[07:47] <cartel_> and then there is mordor
[07:47] <Roey> loren:  it's RPM-based.
[07:47] <Roey> mordor?
[07:47] <cartel_> i thought it was based on unpackage or whatever
[07:47] <cartel_> Roey: debian mordor
[07:47] <Roey> is that new?
[07:47] <loren> roey: yeah i know, i really hate RPMS but i hear they have something called RPMI or something, so i was thinking it might be ok
[07:48] <loren> roey: not secure of corse
[07:48] <Roey> ok
[07:48] <verden01> when is kubuntu to be released
[07:49] <verden01> final
[07:49] <Roey> verden01:  very, very soon
[07:49] <verden01> its not worth doing a upgrade then?
[07:49] <Roey> ask loren or cartel_ :) I'm the last one to ask
[07:50] <verden01> loren, cartel?
[07:50] <loren> hm?
[07:50] <loren> oh, hmmh, i think RC1 was just released verden01
[07:50] <verden01> 300odd mb
[07:50] <loren> it's going to be a while though
[07:50] <Roey> verden01 wants to know if it's worth it to upgrade to  hoary final
[07:51] <Roey> why does kaffeine crash when opening a file or when exiting?
[07:51] <cartel_> it doesnt
[07:51] <Roey> why don't I have any alternate keyboard layouts?
[07:51] <verden01> i have the RC installed now and want to know if its worth upgrading now or when its final
[07:51] <Roey> why am I the only one who has these problems?
[07:51] <cartel_> you do
[07:51] <Roey> where?
[07:51] <Roey> I try to switch
[07:51] <Roey> and the list is empty.
[07:51] <Roey> completely.
[07:51] <cartel_> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:52] <Roey> through KDE I have none I mean
[07:52] <cartel_> verden01: probably ok to keep upgrading until the final
[07:52] <verden01> cool i only have dialup tho  :(
[07:52] <cartel_> i have hundreds listed in my kde
[07:52] <cartel_> kcontrol
[07:52] <Roey> I don't
[07:53] <Roey> what gives?
[07:53] <verden01> anyone used Libranet b4?
[07:53] <cartel_> Roey: maybe its bung on amd64?
[07:53] <Roey> cartel_:  there is /nothing/ listed there.
[07:53] <Roey> cartel_:  what are you using?
[07:53] <Roey> cartel_:  which platform?
[07:53] <cartel_> Roey: find an amd64 motu?
[07:53] <cartel_> Roey: x86
[07:53] <Roey> cartel_:  what should I search for there?
[07:53] <Roey> cartel_:  ok
[07:53] <cartel_> Roey: maintainer name, talk to him in chan
[07:54] <verden01> i have an AMD64 whats the problem?
[07:54] <Roey> oh
[07:54] <Roey> haggai then
[07:54] <Roey> haggai:  hi
[07:54] <Roey> :)
[07:54] <Roey> haggai:  listen, I *really* need your help.  So many things are broken on this amd64 system
[07:54] <cartel_> lol
[07:54] <Roey> verden01:  KUBUNTU is the problem
[07:54] <xLobeznox> k3b is broken on ubuntu hoary, when I add mp3 to a cd-a project said me format not supported
[07:54] <Roey> verden01:  want a list?
[07:54] <cartel_> Roey: have you tried a reinstall?
[07:54] <xLobeznox> yes?
[07:55] <verden01> lol
[07:55] <Roey> cartel_:  every reinstall is like a kidney stone
[07:55] <Roey> not that I've had one
[07:55] <Roey> nvidia is messed up
[07:55] <Roey> on my system
[07:55] <verden01> i have an abit AMD 64 system and kubuntu works fine with all of my hardware detected
[07:55] <Roey> doesn't matter that X and kernel have the smae version of the commercial nvidia drivers -- KDE locks up.
[07:55] <Roey> verden01:  YES!
[07:55] <Roey> verden01:  GOD FUCKNG HATES ME
[07:55] <Roey> I knew it
[07:55] <Roey> ONLY ME this affects
[07:55] <verden01> lol
[07:55] <Roey> kaffeine crashing,
[07:55] <Roey> empty alt keyboard lists,
[07:56] <Roey> nvidia locking fucking up
[07:56] <Roey> system always going at 800 Mhz so it's slow
[07:56] <Roey> (thanks, powernowd)
[07:56] <Roey> tablet not working
[07:56] <cartel_> Roey: sigh
[07:56] <Roey> gradual system lockups (NO it's not hardware :)
[07:56] <cartel_> :)
[07:56] <Roey> cartel_:  indeed
[07:56] <Roey> cartel_:  I'm smiling but inside I am broken :(
[07:56] <cartel_> Roey: go back to sid
[07:57] <Roey> am seriously considering it now
[07:57] <Roey> I can't take this anymore
[07:57] <Roey> OH
[07:57] <Roey> another thign:
[07:57] <cartel_> lol
[07:57] <Roey> my startup is MESSED UP:
[07:57] <cartel_> i think your kubuntu is fucked
[07:57] <cartel_> reinstall
[07:57] <cartel_> er i mean frelled
[07:57] <Roey> - it doesn't know how to boot right
[07:57] <loren> im distracted all, sorry lol, talking about OEM and with a friend
[07:57] <Roey> - it asks for password or ctrl-d at startup
[07:57] <Roey> cartel_:  it can't do the raid thing properly 
[07:58] <cartel_> i have no problems with raid or lvm
[07:58] <Roey> cartel_:  in fact i had to add sata_via to the loadmodules in initrd
[07:58] <xLobeznox> anybody with my same problem???
[07:58] <Roey> cartel_:  of course not, because GOD HATES ME
[07:58] <xLobeznox> somebody with ubuntu hoary?
[07:58] <Roey> cartel_:  again, I'm the ONLY ONE withthese stupid problems :(
[07:58] <Roey> xLobeznox:  yes
[07:58] <cartel_> Roey: if you say that enough it will be true
[07:58] <xLobeznox> Roey, what?
[07:58] <Roey> cartel_:  I've lived it for the past three weeks
[07:58] <Roey> xLobeznox:  for what I have ubuntu hoary?
[07:58] <Roey> xLobeznox:  I dunno, for masochism?
[07:58] <xLobeznox> k3b is broken on ubuntu hoary, when I add mp3 to a cd-a project said me format not supported
[07:58] <cartel_> personally i wouldnt bring the great lord bog into this
[07:59] <xLobeznox> that is happening me for weeks
[07:59] <Roey> xLobeznox:  ah
[07:59] <Roey> xLobeznox:  are you on amd64?
[07:59] <Roey> I haven't tried burning a CD yet
[07:59] <xLobeznox> tomorrow hoary is out and k3b is broken
[07:59] <Roey> my god
[07:59] <Roey> xLobeznox:  hey it's ok
[07:59] <xLobeznox> I am on powerpc but I am fully sure is a bug in all arch
[07:59] <Roey> xLobeznox:  there are people with bigger problems than yours :)
[07:59] <Roey> xLobeznox:  could be.
[07:59] <cartel_> xLobeznox have you got the mp3 libraries installed
[07:59] <xLobeznox> because sarge had same problem 1 month ago, and they fixed in a new version
[07:59] <xLobeznox> cartel_, what librarieS?
[08:00] <verden01> just install cdrdao
[08:00] <xLobeznox> verden01, cdrdao is for writing cds not for mp3 
[08:00] <cartel_> akode-mpeg?
[08:00] <verden01> k
[08:00] <cartel_> let me try k3b
[08:00] <xLobeznox> cartel_, yes, try
[08:02] <cartel_> xLobeznox: hmm i get it as well, must be built without mp3 support, that is the ubuntu way, and what i hate most about ubuntu, tempting to set up my own buildd to include mp3 support.
[08:03] <cartel_> you gotta admit its frelling stupid
[08:03] <Roey> cartel_:  I suggest building kde from scratch.
[08:03] <xLobeznox> cartel_, k3b without mp3 support?
[08:03] <loren> hey Roey: you can't have Debian Installer save the information that says what packages it installs can you? like Mandrake does?
[08:03] <Roey> dunno
[08:03] <cartel_> Roey: ill patch the rules
[08:03] <xLobeznox> why?
[08:03] <Roey> I'm pulling what's left of my hair out
[08:03] <cartel_> loren: dpkg --getselections
[08:04] <cartel_> xLobeznox: only thing i can say
[08:04] <cartel_> :/
[08:04] <Roey> cartel_:  thank you
[08:04] <xLobeznox> but you are sure?
[08:04] <cartel_> no
[08:04] <xLobeznox> ok
[08:04] <cartel_> but that is my suspicion
[08:04] <loren> yeah cartel? hmmh kickass
[08:05] <cartel_> dpkg --get-selections
[08:05] <cartel_> sorry
[08:05] <cartel_> then
[08:05] <cartel_> dpkg --get-selections > installedpackages
[08:05] <cartel_> on other system
[08:05] <cartel_> cat installedpackages | awk '{print $1}' | xargs apt-get install
[08:05] <cartel_> :)
[08:06] <xLobeznox> cartel_, where can I send it like a posible bug?
[08:06] <cartel_> xLobeznox: reportbug
[08:06] <cartel_> xLobeznox: go to konsole and type: reportbug k3b
[08:08] <xLobeznox> yep
[08:09] <cartel_>  well time to go home, better leave now or ill miss all the uni chix coming out from lectures :)
[08:09] <xLobeznox> shower time
[08:09] <xLobeznox> thanks cartel_ 
[08:10] <cartel_> np
[08:10] <xLobeznox> whois calc?
[08:10] <xLobeznox> mm
[08:10] <xLobeznox> I remember he helped me many time ago
[08:10] <xLobeznox> is developer of a known program?
[08:10] <cartel_> he is a netgod
[08:10] <xLobeznox> netgod?
[08:10] <cartel_> chris cheney
[08:10] <Roey> what of him?
[08:11] <Roey> calc:  hi
[08:11] <Roey> calc:  you have a customer
[08:11] <Roey> calc:  please shoot me
[08:12] <cartel_> he is a gnome hacker and also the kde maintainer for debian
[08:12] <Roey> yes
[08:12] <Roey> it's weird
[08:12] <xLobeznox> weird, yes
[08:12] <xLobeznox> xD
[08:12] <cartel_> well goodbye all
[08:12] <Roey> cartel_:  good ngith
[08:14] <PD> hi there
[08:14] <PD> my konqueror is not working properly
[08:14] <PD> when i any address on the address bar, the page does not come
[08:15] <PD> it says
[08:15] <Roey> HAHAHAH
[08:15] <Roey> my firefox does not work
[08:15] <Roey> oh, that's anohter thing that's wrong with kubunut for me
[08:16] <Roey> :(
[08:16] <Roey> and now I'm going to bed
[08:16] <Roey> good night.
[08:33] <synd> anyone have Kompose (similar to OSX's Expose) working in KDE
[08:43] <Lancellor> hello
[08:48] <owner> Q: What Distribution is easiest to use and prefereable has KDE 3.3/3.4
[08:49] <da_bon_bon> loren: slackware
[08:50] <loren> what version of KDE does it have?
[08:51] <loren> and do u mind if i ask you some questions about it hehe
[08:51] <loren> hmmh i'll just go to #slackware
[08:51] <da_bon_bon> loren: ##slackware
[08:51] <da_bon_bon> loren: 3.4
[09:14] <da_bon_bon> hey debian are such fags! they wont let debian based distros use their repos, right ?! :P
[09:25] <loren> E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
[09:25] <loren> E: Error occured while processing cweb (NewVersion1)
[09:25] <loren> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages
[09:25] <loren> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[09:28] <amu> da_bon_bon: slakeware? haha, that was a good joke 
[09:29] <da_bon_bon> amu: no, i feel that its easy. but i am biased, i agree.
[09:37] <amu> da_bon_bon: *g* i thought slakeware dropt all WM, cause they have no more manpower, users/developers, all run away, and now they use (k)ubuntu ? 
[09:42] <da_bon_bon> amu: :P it just dropped gnome. which i dont like anyway :) 
[09:42] <da_bon_bon> amu: but i agre,, kubuntu is a rocking distro as well 
[09:44] <amu> da_bon_bon: kubuntu, good start, but we need ages with better integration, if you ask me, susi 
[09:46] <PD> kubuntu is the best i guess
[09:47] <PD> just that more things happen only on the gnome one
[09:47] <PD> da_bon_bon: hi
[09:49] <da_bon_bon> amu: i agree
[09:49] <da_bon_bon> PD: hi
[10:40] <da_bon_bon> hey, how do i convert reiserfs to resiser4 without data loss ?
[10:49] <hunger> Wow, Hoary is seriously broken right after installation.
[10:50] <hunger> I thought there shouldn't be a passwd for root? Why do I have one?
[10:50] <hunger> Why is my sudoers file empty? Why can't my user log in at all in X?
[10:50] <hunger> (Now that I manually installed X that is... it did not start at all before!)
[10:52] <hunger> Ah! s/root/user/ in /etc/sudoers fixes the sudo issue I had.
[11:27] <silverbirch> using Mandrake 10.1 - just been reading about  kuntu (newbie), dual boot winXP but trying to leave that out!
[11:27] <silverbirch> oops sorry - kubuntu
[11:27] <d3vic3> hmmm, that will be added to common typos 
[11:28] <silverbirch> I bought ubuntu CDs but being a newbie was too nervous to try the manual partitiioning
[11:29] <silverbirch> what is hardware compatibility like?
[11:31] <hunger> silverbirch: Looks good to me so far.
[11:31] <hunger> silverbirch: I am still heavily patching the install to make it work properly for me though.
[11:31] <silverbirch> I realise some things like scnners are a pai anyway ...
[11:32] <silverbirch> oh - that doesn't sound good for me as a newb - was that a stable install?
[11:33] <hunger> silverbirch: I grabbed the release candidate yesterday. And messed up an "expert" install a bit;-)
[11:33] <hunger> silverbirch: Mind you: I was doing things that were clearly not meant to be done... like wanting to reuse LVs.
[11:33] <silverbirch> so if I wait for a stable release and do it auto I might be okay
[11:34] <hunger> silverbirch: So far I am impressed with kubuntu.
[11:34] <silverbirch> as a newbie I'm seeing good things about  ubuntu, kubuntu and mepis - all debian?
[11:35] <silverbirch> what about the install hinger?
[11:35] <hunger> ARG! Kynaptic does not even have Quit in the menu...
[11:35] <hunger> silverbirch: (K)ubuntu, mephis, etc is NOT debian. Do not say that on the debian channel!
[11:36] <silverbirch> no - I meant based on debian kernel?
[11:36] <hunger> silverbirch: Not that either:-)
[11:36] <hunger> silverbirch: They all use different kernels... but they are based on debian.
[11:36] <silverbirch> okay - pretty sure I read that about mepis at least ...
[11:36] <thoreauputic> silverbirch: based on debian sid (ubuntu)
[11:37] <momar> hunger: "apt-get install synaptic" :-)
[11:37] <hunger> silverbirch: I like the debian installer very much... No idea why people want another one all the time.
[11:37] <hunger> momar: Nope... no gtk for me.
[11:37] <silverbirch> I guess when reading about distros I read so much I get confised
[11:37] <hunger> momar: I am fine with apt-get, thank you.
[11:37] <silverbirch> confised + confused!!
[11:38] <momar> hunger: but apt-get has no Quit in a menu :-)
[11:39] <hunger> momar: I don't mind that with apps that do not have a menu at all;-)
[11:39] <silverbirch> I bought  ubuntu CDs but too scared to do the install as not competent or comfotable with partitioning
[11:39] <silverbirch> installed mandrake instead
[11:39] <hunger> silverbirch: Just make backups...
[11:40] <hunger> silverbirch: And why did you buy the CDs? People keep giving them to me for free;-)
[11:41] <silverbirch> I am in NZ and on ddial up - I know I could get them for free - but convenience
[11:41] <silverbirch> someone on local LUG would have done them for me I guess
[11:43] <silverbirch> the installer recognises windows?
[11:43] <silverbirch> I have windows for Family Tree programme
[11:44] <hunger> silverbirch: Dunno. No windows here.
[11:45] <silverbirch> I know most bootloaders do - just nervous about the Family Tree stuff
[11:45] <silverbirch> but it is backed up
[11:46] <hunger> Is clockscaling supposed to work out of the box?
[11:46] <silverbirch> thanks hunger - I need to ask a couple questions in Mandrake then get to bed
[11:55] <phobosanger> helllo
[11:57] <phobosanger> i have a strange problem. i have 5 FAT32 mount point and evry time i try to chouse ICONS or WALLPAPERS from one of them i get an error u must chouce a local folder/file
[11:58] <phobosanger> how can i make this mount points a local folers so i can chang/copy/move file from them ?
[12:00] <apokryphos> This isn't really a #kubuntu question -- we do KDE; worth trying your luck in #ubuntu 
[12:02] <phobosanger> thanks =\ ... apokryphos  ( i came from #ubuntu ) they told me to ask here :)
[12:02] <apokryphos> hehe
[12:02] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: his question was less clear in #ubuntu ;)
[12:02] <apokryphos> no worries
[12:15] <apokryphos> Anyone wanna test kooldock .deb? 
[12:24] <phobosanger> yeah sure 
[12:24] <phobosanger> gemme a link pla apokryphos 
[12:25] <puckman> Good day great people of Kubuntu.
[12:25] <apokryphos> phobosanger: Cool: http://www.youmortals.com/stuff/ubuntu/kooldock/kooldock_0.3ubuntu0.1-1_i386.deb
[12:25] <apokryphos> :)
[12:25] <phobosanger> in a sec :) thanks
[12:31] <Riddell> puckman: welcome along :)
[12:31] <puckman> Thanks riddell
[12:31] <apokryphos> Hah -- http://gmail.com
[12:31] <puckman> I installed it on a 400mhz Powerbook and a 400mhz Dell
[12:31] <puckman> both laptops
[12:32] <puckman> Ah, I have a question.
[12:32] <puckman> the wifi card worked under ubuntu but not under kubuntu
[12:32] <puckman> anyone had any problems there?
[12:32] <puckman> I thought the underlying system was the same?
[12:33] <hunger> puckman: It is, but the packages installed do differ. Maybe something is missing in kubuntu.
[12:34] <puckman> ah, good point
[12:34] <puckman> ha well, will be a good linux lesson figuring out what I need.
[12:36] <Riddell> shouldn't be any difference for wifi card stuff between ubuntu and kubuntu
[12:40] <puckman> hmm, maybe it is just me
[12:40] <puckman> one thing I did notice during install was that kubuntu saw the apple airport card
[12:40] <puckman> I'm hopeful it will use it
[12:44] <da_bon_bon> is reiser4 still considered unstable, or no ?
[01:11] <puckman> Kubunto ROCKS
[01:11] <puckman> it works with my airport card!
[01:17] <_puckman> And here I am, from Kubuntu ^_^
[01:41] <hunger> What is a reasonably stable server to add to my sources.list?
[01:42] <hunger> archive.ubuntu.com is not resolveable for me all the time.
[01:43] <hunger> Ah! Today de.archive.ubuntu.com works... that one was broken yesterday.
[01:44] <LeeJunFan> hunger: I think maybe you're ISP has a problem with their DNS, archive resolves for me all the time.
[01:44] <LeeJunFan> hunger: maybe you should run your own DNS.
[01:45] <hunger> Spamassassin might be a nice addition to the normal kubuntu. kmail can use it after all.
[01:55] <hypno__> short question how can i find the process/programm which loads a specific kernelmodule? on my sony notebook kubuntu loads always asus-acpi which creates maniac onscreen dialogs in kde... if rmmod asus-acpi the problem is fixed but after every restart i must unload it again... 
[02:15] <thoreauputic> hypno__: try adding the module to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[02:17] <_thomas> hallo zusammen
[02:22] <hypno__> horeauputic: I will try it thanks.
[03:12] <Chameleon22> howdy fellas
[03:12] <Chameleon22> :)
[03:13] <Chameleon22> are there any other australian mirrors equivalant to http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[03:17] <Pointwood> what do I use to manage my digital camera?
[03:17] <pussfeller> gphoto?
[03:17] <pussfeller> maybe theres a kphoto :)
[03:18] <Pointwood> well, kde has detected it, so I thought maybe I could access it with konqy
[03:20] <pussfeller> it should be in /media/ I think
[03:21] <Pointwood> hmm
[03:21] <hunger> Pointwood: IIRC you need to access camera://
[03:22] <hunger> Pointwood: Or the equivalent in your local language.
[03:23] <Pointwood> ahh...that worked
[03:23] <LeeJunFan> why is it k3b can't just specify a damn iso file to write to? how annoying. :(
[03:24] <LeeJunFan> just venting. :)
[03:25] <Pointwood> feel free to add that option ;)
[03:26] <LeeJunFan> I think mandrake must have, when I left cooker a couple weeks ago I could specify a file to write to - not a dir.
[03:28] <teprrr> digikam? :)
[03:28] <teprrr> LeeJunFan, what do you mean with that.. creating iso file or..?
[03:29] <LeeJunFan> teprrr: yeah. You can't select a filename to write to - only a dir in which it will create k3b_0.iso
[03:29] <hunger> What is the proposed solution to encrypt /home, /var and /tmp? cryptodisk seems to want to ask for one password for each, I'd like to be asked only once.
[03:30] <Pointwood> teprrr: ohhh...looks interesting :)
[03:39] <teprrr> LeeJunFan, oh, okay :P file a wish at http://bugs.kde.org maybe?
[03:39] <teprrr> Pointwood, :)
[03:42] <Pointwood> hrm...do I need admin privs. to edit the menu?
[03:43] <moominski> how do i install an rpm i cant remember?
[03:43] <TechLord_Work> you can install rpm's?
[03:44] <moominski> well is it not possibel i thought i was reading about somewhere?
[03:44] <moominski> can u help anyway
[03:45] <moominski> should i dpkg
[03:46] <apokryphos> moominski: you have to alien it, first, then install the .deb by dpkg
[03:46] <apokryphos> It's not really recommended though. 
[03:46] <apokryphos> What is it you're trying to install?
[03:48] <moominski> ok thanks my, btw its a spash screen
[03:48] <moominski> m8
[03:49] <moominski> right ok converted to .deb shloud i sh that file now is that right?
[03:50] <apokryphos> Splash -- ok. Why not compile from source, though? I guess you could try the rpm... if it fails, source is pretty guaranteed
[03:50] <apokryphos> Nope, for .debs -- debian packages -- you use dpkg.
[03:51] <moominski> and then the file name
[03:51] <apokryphos> dpkg -i (since you want to install it) <filename.deb>
[03:51] <moominski> ok m8
[03:52] <moominski> ok thanks its installed m8
[03:53] <moominski> i just remember all these commands yet
[03:53] <moominski> i no wot i gotta do sometimes but not how to do it
[03:53] <apokryphos> If you wanna take down notes -- knotes is a great program
[03:53] <apokryphos> it goes in the dock and you can have notes on the desktop
[03:54] <moominski> ahhh yes i see it
[03:54] <apokryphos> (or, it docks in the system tray, I should say)
[03:54] <moominski> yup
[03:54] <moominski> apokryphos>  do u no any good books i could buy for linux
[03:55] <apokryphos> moominski: There's a few about, but the best are all guides on the Internet, generally.
[03:55] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell moominski rute
[03:55] <Pyre> moominski: http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz
[03:55] <apokryphos> like that one. There's other decent ones for command line etc.
[03:56] <moominski> yes i am reading that 1 at the moment but sometimes a get a litle lost in all the information
[03:56] <moominski> lol
[03:56] <moominski> ill jst read it over and over again untill i get it
[03:56] <apokryphos> For actual *Ubuntu* stuff though there's a lot of information on the Wiki; often hidden down, search finds them though.
[03:57] <moominski> ok thanks 
[03:57] <apokryphos> I had another introduction to Linux guide that I found useful; one sec, I'll dig it up.
[03:57] <moominski> ok
[03:59] <apokryphos> http://www.youmortals.com/stuff/intro-linux.pdf
[03:59] <apokryphos> Some of the stuff is dated, but a lot of the basic stuff is still very applicable
[04:00] <moominski> tanks
[04:13] <moominski> neat guide m8 lovin it allready
[04:17] <apokryphos> Cool. Someone just posted this in #ubuntu -- at a quick glance, it looks very useful: http://www.linuxhelp.net/newbies/
[04:34] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: cool, after 8 years of running linux maybe I can finally make sense of it :)
[04:34] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: learning about Linux is a journey, not a destination. :P
[04:35] <LeeJunFan> hope I didn't just scare anyone. That was a joke.
[04:35] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: I know a smart guy who says just that all the time :)
[04:36] <tim_work> hi all...can anyone remember the package needed on kubuntu so that my camera / meory stick etc are auto added to the media folder?
[04:37] <Pointwood> do I need admin privs. to edit the menu?
[04:39] <apokryphos> Pointwood: nope
[04:40] <Pointwood> hrm
[04:40] <Pointwood> I can't seem to get it to save the item I added to the graphics sub menu
[04:43] <LeeJunFan> Pointwood: it may be that your tmpfiles are somehow owned by root. Or kded isn't working right for another reason. Try logging out. ctrl-alt-f1 to console. log in and rm the dirs in /tmp and /var/tmp
[04:43] <apokryphos> Are you saving after putting it in? I just tested it here and it seems to work fine
[04:44] <LeeJunFan> Pointwood: then log back in and try again.
[04:45] <Pointwood> ok
[04:46] <Pointwood> will try that
[04:46] <Pointwood> apokryphos: yes
[04:48] <apokryphos> Mildly disturbing -- Microsoft adds on LinuxQuestions: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/answers.php?action=viewarticle&artid=15
[05:49] <darut> what wrong with that?
[05:50] <lunitik> darut: other than it being a KDE desktop you mean?
[05:50] <lunitik> not a whole lot I guess ...    >:|
[05:51] <darut> but it installs other libs and packages not only from kde
[05:54] <lunitik> darut: hal-device-manager is not necissary... to enclude about 30 mb of GNOME for an app I never use... well, its annoying...
[05:54] <Riddell> lunitik: hal-device-manager is not included
[05:54] <lunitik> (all it does... for the user... is display the info displayed in KInfoCenter ..)
[05:55] <lunitik> Riddell: debfoster disagrees...
[05:55] <lunitik> Riddell: it says its a dep of kubuntu-desktop ...
[05:56] <Riddell> lunitik: not since 0.39 Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:20:45 -0800
[05:57] <lunitik> Riddell: ahh... ok... then I rescind my complaint  :)
[05:57] <Riddell> gtk isn't on the CD at all
[05:57] <lunitik> Riddell: score  8)
[05:57] <lunitik> Riddell: its on the PR though... cuz thats the only CD I have for Kubuntu right now...
[05:58] <buz> is there any kubuntu news rss stream???
[05:58] <lunitik> Riddell: ps... any chance of making use of KBugBuster to make it more convenient to file Kubuntu bugs?  :)
[05:58] <Riddell> buz: nope
[05:58] <Riddell> lunitik: people use KBugBuster?
[05:59] <lunitik> Riddell: its a new addition to KDE... so I'm guessing it will be getting wide use...
[05:59] <lunitik> (its in kdesdk)
[05:59] <Riddell> nothing new about kbugbuster that I know of
[05:59] <Riddell> except the graphics I had to make for it
[06:00] <lunitik> Riddell: can't file Kubuntu bugs with it though?
[06:00] <Riddell> lunitik: no, and ubuntu will be changing to malone before long so it's not worth doing the work
[06:01] <lunitik> Riddell: malone? replacement for bugzilla?
[06:01] <Riddell> yep
[06:01] <lunitik> Riddell: what are the advantages that you know of?  or is it more a case of 'built here'?
[06:02] <Riddell> I think it's designed to handle the 1000s of packages in ubuntu and talk to upstream, which bugzilla isn't
[06:03] <lunitik> Riddell: hmm... sounds cool  :)
[06:03] <lunitik> Riddell: it will file bugs in the upstream bugzilla's automatically?
[06:03] <lunitik> (I don't really get how it can 'talk to upstream'...
[06:03] <lunitik> )
[06:04] <lunitik> Would make it likely to make dups it would seem...
[06:04] <Riddell> lunitik: dunno, I've not used it, launchpad.ubuntu.com should have it
[06:07] <sideh> quick q: anyone know how to disable single click for files in konqueror when file browsing ?
[06:07] <apokryphos> Riddell: any idea when the transition is gonna take place?
[06:07] <Riddell> apokryphos: universe is already using it (they're the guinea pigs)
[06:08] <apokryphos> excellent
[06:10] <Riddell> sideh: kcontrol->peripherals->mouse
[06:12] <sideh> aha. cheers m8 
[06:12] <hunger> Damn scoping in scripts.
[06:13] <hunger> I change a var in a shell script in a loop and the change is visible there, but once I am out of that loop the var is back to the value it had before.
[06:18] <benjanet> when will kubuntu be realeased ?
[06:20] <Riddell> benjanet: friday
[06:21] <benjanet> cant wait :D
[06:21] <Roey> hi
[06:21] <Roey> I'm getting this when I boot my custom (rdinit-less) kernel:  "PANIC: Early Exception rip 10 error ffffffff80114072 cr2 0".  Anyone seen this message beore?
[06:55] <Roey> is gcc 3.4.3 going to go into Ubuntu before the Release?
[07:29] <haggai> Roey: no, everything is frozen
[07:30] <buz> when will it be unfrozen?
[07:32] <thully> Hi, does anyone here know how to add MP3 support to Kubuntu, for ripping and encoding?  I know on standard Ubuntu, you can add the gstreamer plugins from universe/multiverse/marillat, but KDE doesn't to my knowledge use gstreamer.  What do you do for KDE?
[07:33] <buz> could try to add kde
[07:33] <buz> h lame
[07:33] <thully> what about decoding?
[07:34] <buz> kaffeine already supports it i think
[07:34] <apokryphos> thully: you want the akode-mpeg package
[07:34] <thully> will that do decode and endode in amaroK?
[07:35] <apokryphos> thully: erm, on amaroK you can use gstreamer of course. It's the default amaroK engine
[07:36] <thully> OK - what about encoding, though?  On GNOME I've used gstreamer0.8-lame (from marillat)
[07:37] <apokryphos> Can't say I know what is meant by encoding an MP3
[07:37] <apokryphos> convert it, do you mean?
[07:38] <thully> encode - as in, rip from CD
[07:38] <apokryphos> Ah, I'm not entirely sure if they have a feature for that. You could check their Wiki. You can of course play audio CDs in amaroK though
[07:39] <buz> how do i get apt to recognize marillats gpg key?
[07:39] <thully> oh - I forgot, I think amaroK doesn't do ripping - I was thinking of rhythmbox, which calls sound juicer to rip
[07:40] <thully> buz: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[07:40] <buz> thx
[07:40] <bhna> thully: try kaudiocdcreator
[07:40] <apokryphos> thully: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/index.php/FAQ#How_can_I_rip.2Fencode_Audio-CDs_with_amaroK.3F
[07:40] <thully> does it work w/ just lame installed?
[07:40] <thully> or does it need gstreamer-lame or something similar
[07:41] <TechLord_Work> have you guys every tried mepis?
[07:41] <bhna> thully: for kaudiocdcreatot you need lame
[07:41] <Roey> haggai:  ah
[07:41] <Roey> haggai:  ok
[07:41] <Roey> haggai:  BRB
[07:41] <apokryphos> TechLord_Work: nope, but heard good stuff about it; a close friend of mine uses it.
[07:41] <Roey> haggai:  I need ur help
[07:42] <TechLord_Work> i tried but quickly came back to the best Kubuntu
[07:42] <apokryphos> :)
[07:45] <apokryphos> ah, finally see about the amaroK legal issues -- true, it is very similar.
[07:51] <motaboy> Hi all!
[07:51] <apokryphos> hey
[08:03] <uniq> cmf: please test packages of rosegarden, at http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/ 
[08:07] <apokryphos> uniq: minor issue, but I think Riddell suggested that packs should have ubuntu0.1 etc. until in Universe, to get ubuntu1
[08:07] <uniq> ah.. 
[08:07] <uniq> sure.
[08:08] <uniq> i didn't get that information..
[08:08] <apokryphos> No worries
[08:09] <uniq> it's basically just a rebuild of the sid package.. i'll be surprised if there are problems.
[08:10] <uniq> problem is i haven't had the chance to test it.. i'm building everything on a remote hoary chroot on my server.. 
[08:11] <uniq> the joy of dial-u (vacation).. 
[08:11] <apokryphos> hehe
[08:12] <apokryphos> should I remove anything before trying it out?
[08:12] <apokryphos> Installed it now, but I get: rosegarden4: error while loading shared libraries: liblo.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory..... when trying to run
[08:12] <uniq> ok.. then.
[08:12] <uniq> it's broken.
[08:12] <uniq> strange.
[08:12] <apokryphos> :-S
[08:14] <uniq> hmm.. it depends on liblo0.. doesn't it? 
[08:14] <apokryphos> seems like I have two versions installed here, so that might not be the problem
[08:14] <apokryphos> Yeah, it does.
[08:14] <apokryphos> Wait, I'll remove all versions then reinstall
[08:16] <trygvebw> Hi! Where can i download the/a Kubuntu CD label?
[08:17] <apokryphos> trygvebw: label to put on the CD? You can't, not really...
[08:18] <trygvebw> Why? :(
[08:19] <apokryphos> trygvebw: for Ubuntu you can use Shipit and get a CD with label etc. For Kubuntu, there isn't really one (there's no Kubuntu shipit). Might be a good thing for someone to do in the future though
[08:19] <trygvebw> Yeah, i know about the shipit and have recieved lots of CD's from there :)
[08:19] <trygvebw> Who is the label designer?
[08:19] <trygvebw> Of the Ubuntu ones?
[08:21] <apokryphos> uniq: that error doesn't come up this time, but another error ;-). It hangs when trying to open up. Splash screen appers, but konsole then starts posting endless lines of: "rosegarden: RosegardenGUIDoc::syncDevices - waiting for Sequencer to come up" every few seconds 
[08:21] <apokryphos> trygvebw: I have no idea; sorry.
[08:22] <trygvebw> :(
[08:22] <uniq> apokryphos: hah.. ok.. i'll try it locally.. thanks for testing.
[08:22] <trygvebw> Thanks anyway :)
[08:22] <apokryphos> no problem
[08:30] <buz> what could it be that GTK apps generate broken postscript that wont print?
[08:30] <uniq> apokryphos: you just need to load snd-seq module.
[08:30] <uniq> apokryphos: can you test it? 
[08:31] <apokryphos> uniq: run that and then rerun the prog? Yeah, sure.
[08:32] <apokryphos> uniq: what do I have to do to run that module?
[08:33] <uniq> apokryphos: sudo modprobe snd-seq;rosegarden4
[08:33] <apokryphos> thanks
[08:34] <apokryphos> here we go =)
[08:34] <uniq> I don't know how to use it.. but looks like it works :)
[08:34] <apokryphos> looks like a nice lil' prog
[08:34] <apokryphos> same ;-)
[08:36] <apokryphos> uniq: so, briefly, how did you make this .deb? Did you use the sid .deb src? Little different to the ones I made today/yesterday
[08:36] <uniq> apokryphos: yes.. i basically rebuildt the sid debs.
[08:36] <uniq> did you make rosegarden too? 
[08:36] <buz> firefox creates postsript that i can view in kghostview but not print... WEIRD
[08:36] <apokryphos> uniq: Nah. Just done krename/kooldock
[08:37] <uniq> ok.
[08:39] <uniq> apokryphos: do you have kooldock packages buildt? 
[08:39] <apokryphos> Yup. Wanna try?
[08:39] <apokryphos> only tested on here and my brother's; good so far
[08:39] <uniq> sure.. i'll need sources though.. amd64.
[08:40] <apokryphos> ah
[08:40] <apokryphos> uniq: what kind of sources? I've got http://www.youmortals.com/ubuntu/packages/kooldock/ uploaded, but I've got a few more things
[08:41] <uniq> that's just enought :)
[08:41] <apokryphos> cool
[08:41] <uniq> the .diff.gz and .orig.tar.gz is all i need.
[08:42] <dalerisham> LeeJunFan, thanks for helping me with my sources
[08:42] <phxguy> anyone know hoow I can get my Nvidia cards tv-Out to work>
[08:42] <uniq> apokryphos: I can send you the amd64 package.. if you want it on your page.. for amd64-testers.
[08:44] <apokryphos> uniq: That would be cool :). I'll add in a note that you made it on the MOTU Suggested Packs
[08:44] <apokryphos> they're currently awaiting review there
[08:44] <uniq> :)
[08:48] <apokryphos> Wow, the difference in tone and atmosphere in #mepis and, say, #debian is remarkable.
[08:48] <elvirolo> ubuntu-devel
[08:48] <apokryphos> heh
[08:52] <uniq> apokryphos: any idea how it's beeing done when the pakcage is already in debian? - do I add the package to the UniverseCandidates page, or what? 
[08:52] <uniq> the package is already in ubuntu.. my package is just a new version.
[08:56] <apokryphos> Yup, just add it to https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUNewPackages for review
[08:57] <apokryphos> Might be worth noting that it's a newer version..
[08:59] <cerezilla> Hi
[09:01] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: #mepis is like an 'ole boys gathering - hardly a eord about linux .... heh
[09:01] <thoreauputic> *word
[09:02] <buz> so they only talk about girls?
[09:02] <thoreauputic> pretty much... :)
[09:02] <apokryphos> Heh, nah not always, but they were a minute ago :P
[09:02] <buz> i tried mepis once
[09:02] <buz> didnt take long to stop working
[09:02] <apokryphos> There's so few of them, and yet they're very nice, willing to help.
[09:02] <buz> grrr i need firefox to print stuff
[09:02] <buz> doesn't work
[09:03] <apokryphos> I bet my chances of getting help are much higher in there than in #debian with the hundreds of users
[09:03] <buz> ubuntu QA is better
[09:03] <buz> can get help here, too
[09:03] <apokryphos> Yeah, I know. :)
[09:04] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: yeah, i wasn't criticising - it's just unlike any linux channel I've ever been in before :)
[09:05] <apokryphos> Yah. Still, it has more people than #yoper as I recall :P
[09:06] <apokryphos> and yet, these distros weigh so high on distrowatch -- yeah, I don't really trust it. 
[09:06] <apokryphos> but Ubuntu is top ;-)
[09:06] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: interesting that mepis is popular on distrowatch but has such a small channel
[09:07] <apokryphos> Yeah, precisely.
[09:07] <apokryphos> buz: asked in #ubuntu ? I don't really do printing stuff; sorry I can't help there...
[09:07] <buz> i tried
[09:07] <buz> they got stuck about a athlon64 discussion shortly after that
[09:08] <apokryphos> :-o
[09:08] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: #ubuntu is in the high 400s - after only a few months: interesting to see if the numbers wane when the novelty factor wears off
[09:09] <uniq> buz: what is the problem then? 
[09:09] <uniq> I don't do printing either.. but I can give it a shot anyway..
[09:09] <buz> can print from QT apps just fine, but printing from OO, firefox or thunderbird will yield broken postscript at which i can look with kghostview just fine but not print or convert to pdf
[09:09] <apokryphos> Kind of wondering when/if it will. We'll have to see :D. Even #kubuntu is booming, considering it's not actually [officially]  out yet.
[09:09] <buz> i got a native PS2 printer
[09:10] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: indeed - add #kubuntu and the non-english ubuntu chans and you have quite a roll to call...
[09:11] <thoreauputic> I have to say the free delivery shipit scheme is a master stroke
[09:12] <apokryphos> Most certainly; it's pulling in the masses
[09:12] <uniq> buz: hmm.. does lpr print? 
[09:12] <buz> didnt try that so far
[09:12] <buz> cups does
[09:12] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: yes - kind of makes for more work in the channel, but I notice a lot of windows converts
[09:13] <buz> i'm gonna try reinstalling the printer as first measure ;-)
[09:13] <uniq> buz: 3 sec.. i'll just add a printer.
[09:13] <apokryphos> Yeah, quite a few newbies. Most Linux-converts seem to be from Debian; Fedora is probably second after that
[09:14] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: heh - slackware types get very upset about sudo ;)
[09:14] <apokryphos> Can't teach an old dog new tricks ;)
[09:15] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: right :)
[09:15] <apokryphos> I disliked it at first; though it was sub-standard, but now I think if I ever went to another distro I'd use sudo there
[09:15] <buz> thoreauputic: so did i. 
[09:15] <buz> until i did sudo passwd that is
[09:16] <thoreauputic> well, the thing is you can do sudo -s or sudo su or whatever - it really isn't any different
[09:16] <buz> still no luck with my printer
[09:16] <buz> WTF is wrong
[09:17] <buz> it only seems to happen from gtk based apps
[09:17] <buz> works from, for example, jate
[09:17] <buz> kate
[09:17] <apokryphos> precisely. That's why arguments against it are generally unsubstantiated
[09:18] <buz> echo something|lpr works, too
[09:18] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: I like sudo, but I don't think the kde apps should be hacked to work with it. Doesn't work well if you run some things and root takes ownership of your users tmp files. like kbuildsyscoca
[09:19] <buz> aaaaaaaaaaah
[09:19] <buz> its a bug with firefox/thunderbird
[09:19] <buz> if i change printer command to plain lpr it seems to work
[09:19] <tek> does sudo work with kcmshell? i thought this was a bug. for instance trying to change network settings
[09:19] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: I dunno, I think it would be fine if it were proper. Like, doing kdesu kate and sudo kate (konsole) should result in the same thing, but that's not the case
[09:19] <tek> i setup a password for root and kcmshell does not honor it, always comes back and says bad password
[09:20] <buz> Tek i think you need to pass your own pw
[09:20] <tek> nope, does not work
[09:20] <tek> or it didn't on the two systems i setup so far. perhaps because i did create a root password?
[09:21] <apokryphos> tek: prompts for root password on Ubuntu, in 99% of the cases you should enter *your* password
[09:21] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: right, I'm not saying sudo is at fault, perhaps something needs changed in kdelibs, but it's just confusing for newbies to have to sometimes know to go remove /var/tmp and /tmp files.
[09:21] <apokryphos> tek: if kdesu comes up, then it's nto using root's password
[09:21] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: true; that'll have to be something they'll work on
[09:22] <tek> kdesu is not what comes up, ksmshell comes up for whatever app your trying to elevate your priveledges for
[09:22] <tek> sorry, kcmshell not ksmshell
[09:23] <apokryphos> tek: entering your user pass does not work?
[09:23] <tek> nope, it did not. i ended up setting them up manually after opening up a shell and su -'ing to root.
[09:24] <apokryphos> tek: where exactly is this occuring? As in, what are you running?
[09:25] <apokryphos> knetworkconf?
[09:25] <tek> this was a late night thing though, i got impatient and after doing it once or twice i went and created a root password, i had been trying to setup the networking
[09:25] <tek> yes knetworkconf
[09:25] <apokryphos> So you're talking about the kcmshell that prompts in kcontrol -- administrator mode etc.
[09:26] <tek> correct
[09:26] <buz> nooow how could i get openoffice to print
[09:26] <apokryphos> That accepts my user pass here
[09:26] <tek> hmmmm..... 
[09:26] <apokryphos> tek: when did you download your version?
[09:26] <buz> mine needs root pw after setting that
[09:26] <tek> awhile ago
[09:27] <apokryphos> If it was several weeks ago, then you might have got it before the kdesu/kcmshell sudo support
[09:27] <tek> im downloading the latest version now, i have been running sarge for quite a while and thinking of updating it to kubuntu.
[09:28] <buz> distupgrade of a few minutes ago, with root pw:
[09:28] <apokryphos> tek: You can just dist-upgrade to the latest...
[09:28] <buz> doesn't work
[09:28] <buz> user pw works, though
[09:28] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: I still have that problem, I installed some time ago - but I update several times a day. With kcmshell - printer admin/login manager admin
[09:29] <buz> LeeJunFan: works with user pw for me
[09:29] <buz> and i too update several times a day 
[09:29] <segfault2k> ola
[09:29] <buz> just for the heck of it
[09:29] <segfault2k> sorry, hi
[09:29] <segfault2k> XD
[09:29] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: sometimes it doesn't ask for a password, sometimes it does, then just sits there and doesn't give me the right screen for printer or login.
[09:29] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: Yeah, others have reported that too (on the fora), but I don't know why it's happening. Works fine here, really.
[09:29] <apokryphos> weird
[09:29] <segfault2k> LeeJunFan: apokryphos Riddell hi
[09:29] <apokryphos> hi :)
[09:30] <tek> yeah, i seriously prefer having seperate useraccounts for root and user. while i use very secure passwords i don't want anyone but me to have access to root. what happens when you add multipe users to the system can they all just use their password to sudo into admin mode?
[09:31] <tek> if that is the case then you seriously have negated the whole concept of security on your system
[09:32] <tek> very much like mac OSX in that principle
[09:35] <tek> btw, i did do all of the updates on both of those systems, never used dist-upgrade though, just used apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[09:39] <TechLord_Work> actually sudo is more secure if setup properly then su
[09:40] <tek> well i use sudo on alot of systems and it has saved my ass quite a few times too. are they autopopulating your first useraccount into the /etc/sudoers file?
[09:40] <tek> not running kubuntu myself, i set it up for two friends i am converting off of windows.
[09:40] <TechLord_Work> yes they autopopulate the account you create during setup if you don't choose expert mode
[09:40] <TechLord_Work> what do you run?
[09:41] <TechLord_Work> gentoo?
[09:41] <tek> one system was linux only the other system was setup tripleboot with winXP in english, WinXP in chinese and then kubuntu
[09:41] <tek> no i run debian sarge
[09:41] <TechLord_Work> cool
[09:41] <TechLord_Work> i've tried many dist. looking for the one to replace my windows s ytems
[09:41] <tek> i have used them all, i do linux for a living.
[09:42] <TechLord_Work> cool
[09:42] <buz> just for the heck of it
[09:42] <buz> aaah wrong tab
[09:42] <TechLord_Work> i think kubuntu is one of best one out there
[09:44] <tek> it is really sweet i agree, i tried ubuntu on one system but i can not stand gnome. i have tried so many times and way back when i actually liked it untill they decided to rewrite everything to be more like mac osX
[09:44] <TechLord_Work> i don't like gnome either
[09:44] <apokryphos> tek: when you add a new user they don't get sudo powers unless you add 'em
[09:45] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: several times a day? Isn't that a little excessive? :P
[09:45] <TechLord_Work> the excpetion is the one user you create during setup 
[09:46] <tek> i have a powerbook g4 and while mac osX is full of eyecandy i think it pales in comparision to KDE
[09:46] <tek> linux rocks
[09:46] <tek> i am giving the mac to the ex-wife for her bday
[09:47] <tek> sick hardware but useless OS and since broadcom does not release info for the community to make a driver for the airport extreme its useless to me.
[09:47] <apokryphos> heh
[09:48] <tek> love the look of the damn thing though, really great industrial design
[09:48] <buz> why would you give something to the EX wife???
[09:48] <buz> (maybe aside a triggered handgranade)
[09:49] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: are we still talking about updates?
[09:49] <tek> hey, i loved her when i married her, just cause we can not get along living together doesnt mean i hate her. she is a cool chick and we are still great friends
[09:49] <apokryphos> LeeJunFan: that comment was, yes.
[09:49] <buz> aah
[09:50] <tek> ok, question, dist-upgrade. this isn't a debian command i am familiar with.
[09:50] <apokryphos> Doesn't Debian have it? It's just apt-get dist-upgrade, similar to apt-get upgrade, but slightly different
[09:51] <LeeJunFan> apokryphos: not with a devel version :) I have a local mirror and I get emails of what changes every hour, and if it's something with a bug I'm watching I update to see if it's fixed yet. So most days I update 2-4 times a day.
[09:51] <tek> only use apt-get update and apt-get upgrade after mucking with the sources.list file by hand
[09:51] <apokryphos> Oh right; cool.
[09:52] <Gavrila> Hi all
[09:52] <apokryphos> tek: are you on Debian now? Checkout man apt-get. They explain it well there
[09:52] <tek> yes, ok, let me look
[09:52] <Gavrila> I found a bug in ark crashing when opening a pdf file, should I report it back to ubuntu or kde bugzilla?
[09:53] <apokryphos> Gavrila: no idea why you would ;-), but I just tried it here -- no crash.
[09:53] <tek> nope, nothing on dist-upgrade in the man page on apt-get
[09:54] <Gavrila> apokryphos: try this, zip a pdf, then open the zip with ark, and click on the pdf file to open it directly from ark
[09:54] <apokryphos> Oh ok
[09:54] <apokryphos> tek: http://pastebin.com/267555
[09:55] <apokryphos> Gavrila: Yes, it crashes. Since I doubt it's a kubuntu-specific bug, better go for bugs.kde.org
[09:55] <Gavrila> apokryphos: ok
[09:57] <apokryphos> tek: because of apt-get upgrade's function (at least, the one on Ubuntu) you wouldn't want to use it, say, for changing a whole version; i.e. Warty -> Hoary, so you use dist-upgrade.
[09:58] <tek> actually updating my desktop right now, i am going to try out dist-upgrade once it finiehs just to see if it errors out or its just missing from my man pages
[09:58] <uniq> apokryphos: http://frode.kde.no/dull/kooldock_0.3ubuntu0.1-1_amd64.deb - worked.. you'll need to rename the directory in the source package.. orig.tar.gz.. from kooldock to kooldock-[insert version here] 
[09:58] <buz> still no luck with freakin goo
[09:58] <buz> freaking oo
[10:01] <segfault2k> kooldock?
[10:01] <apokryphos> uniq: Oh yeah, sure. Now, with that .deb how will I submit the orig.tar.gz/diff/dsc? Can I do those things from here?
[10:01] <segfault2k> :p
[10:01] <segfault2k> Chilean Product
[10:01] <apokryphos> really? Sweet. I built the .deb for it yesterday; uniq here built the amd64 one
[10:01] <uniq> apokryphos: submit to where? 
[10:01] <buz> i like chilean wine
[10:01] <apokryphos> uniq: for MOTU
[10:01] <segfault2k> send me an email and i talk to the webmaster and developer to put it in the website
[10:02] <apokryphos> segfault2k: Ok, sure. I'll wait till they're up in Universe, wait/see if MOTU change anything
[10:02] <apokryphos> right
[10:02] <tek> ok apokryphos that just updated a bunch of stuff that upgrade did not, COOL learned something new yet again!!!!!!!
[10:02] <segfault2k> MOTu?
[10:02] <apokryphos> Masters of the Universe -- maintainers of it
[10:03] <apokryphos> tek: cool :)
[10:03] <segfault2k> hahah
[10:03] <segfault2k> :D
[10:03] <tek> thanks
[10:03] <segfault2k> well, my mail is segfault@kde.cl
[10:03] <apokryphos> segfault2k: Sweet -- it's very nice stuff. 
[10:03] <uniq> apokryphos: dunno, put it on the page, and wait for someone to put it in for you? or ask some of the MOTUs in here.. 
[10:03] <segfault2k> thanks :D
[10:03] <uniq> segfault2k: i have kde.no :)
[10:04] <segfault2k> rlz
[10:04] <apokryphos> uniq: Yeah, it's just that I was told when submitting the .deb I should put the source too
[10:04] <segfault2k> uniq: share a Alias for my ip hahaha
[10:04] <segfault2k> XD
[10:04] <segfault2k> s/a/an
[10:05] <uniq> segfault2k: heh. segfault.kde.no? 
[10:05] <LeeJunFan> I work next door to 2 discount cigarette shops, and my car is in the parking lot with a new problem.
[10:05] <LeeJunFan> a leaky gas tank. It's only a matter of time :)
[10:06] <LeeJunFan> Thos things will kill ya all right.
[10:06] <uniq> hehe.. nice :)
[10:07] <segfault2k> kakariko.kde.no :P
[10:07] <segfault2k> .no is from norway?
[10:07] <uniq> yes.
[10:07] <uniq> ip?
[10:07] <segfault2k> 200.104.79.13
[10:08] <apokryphos> uniq: do you have those, then, so I can link it for them? 
[10:08] <uniq> apokryphos: i used the same sources you did.
[10:08] <apokryphos> uniq: also, with regard to the orig.tar.gz I had there... I should be alright with just changing the folder name, eh? It won't cause problems, do yout hink?
[10:08] <uniq> you have them.
[10:09] <apokryphos> Ohh, right. Gotcha.
[10:10] <uniq> segfault2k: mx records or anything? - that'll be $20 then.. jk :)
[10:10] <segfault2k> no XD
[10:10] <segfault2k> XD
[10:10] <uniq> kakariko.kde.no has address 200.104.79.13
[10:10] <uniq> :)
[10:10] <segfault2k> thanksss :D
[10:10] <uniq> no worries.. doesn't cost me a thing to make that for you.
[10:11] <TechLord_Work> kooldock looks sweet
[10:11] <apokryphos> TechLord_Work: you have segfault2k here to thank for its apperance 8)
[10:12] <segfault2k> thanks :D
[10:12] <uniq> kooldock dies randomly.. 
[10:12] <uniq> maybe a amd64 problem.. 
[10:12] <apokryphos> eek =)
[10:14] <uniq> only happens when taskbar is enabled.
[10:15] <apokryphos> uniq: do you think we should mark you as maintainer of that .deb since, I couldn't really update it or anything :P
[10:16] <uniq> apokryphos: it's your package.. you maintain the source.. and the packages for all archs are buildt on build-machines.
[10:16] <uniq> i've just provided the test amd64.deb.. for people to try.
[10:17] <apokryphos> Ok, sure. I'm adding it into the folder though, for approval from motu, for Universe...
[10:17] <uniq> :)
[10:18] <apokryphos> Right, excellent. Thanks a lot; I appreciate this. :)
[10:20] <segfault2k> if someones has an app, i can do the artwork :P
[10:21] <apokryphos> segfault2k: do some for kubuntu ;-)
[10:21] <segfault2k> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=22655 <- and a kubuntu wallpaper :p
[10:21] <segfault2k> apokryphos: im doing :D
[10:21] <apokryphos> Noticed yours yesterday, yeah. Very nice
[10:23] <uniq> segfault2k: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HelpingKubuntu - take a look at the artwork section :)
[10:24] <bhna> segfault2k: very nice wallpaper, could you make one whitout the wave under kubuntu
[10:24] <segfault2k> the svg ones didn't have it
[10:25] <bhna> segfault2k: ah, very nice ;-) just downloding it
[10:25] <segfault2k> =P
[10:25] <apokryphos> another nice one: http://www.kde-look.org/content/files/22582-kubuntu.jpg ...hadn't noticed that before.
[10:26] <bhna> segfault2k: nice background for usplash
[10:28] <segfault2k> how is it usplash?
[10:29] <segfault2k> bhna: how it works?
[10:29] <segfault2k> fine?
[10:29] <bhna> segfault2k: the new bootsplash for ubuntu http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash
[10:30] <segfault2k> you use it?
[10:30] <bhna> segfault2k: yes still a litlle bit bugy, but very nice
[10:32] <segfault2k> how can i install it?
[10:33] <bhna> segfault2k: http://wiki.nanofreesoft.org/index.php/UsplashHowDoesItWork
[10:34] <apokryphos> bhna: no screeny of it? Or, is it just like the LiveCD one?
[10:34] <TechLord_Work> does anyone know if  xcompmgr works with fglrx
[10:34] <bhna> TechLord_Work: yes but very sloooow
[10:35] <jc-denton> hi all
[10:35] <TechLord_Work> when ever i try to load it with fglrx it dies saying damage module not found
[10:35] <jc-denton> kdm and kdesu is not working
[10:35] <TechLord_Work> works slow when i specify ati 
[10:35] <jc-denton> i dont have an idea why
[10:35] <jc-denton> i installed ubuntu first then got kubuntu via apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:37] <bhna> apokryphos: no screeny. a normal ubuntu-abckround with a red processbar (like sues in brown)
[10:37] <apokryphos> ok
[10:38] <bhna> apokryphos: but you can change the background-picture in /etc/usplash
[10:38] <apokryphos> nice. I think I might go for it then
[10:43] <segfault2k> bhna: in what order i install the debs?
[10:46] <bhna> segfault2k: i think 1. lib++dfb 2. libdirectfb 3 not shure
[10:46] <apokryphos> it works nicely. Red bar is ugly :P
[10:46] <segfault2k> i will have to install gcc-4.0-base?
[10:47] <bhna> apokryphos: i still looking for a configuration file, but there is nothing
[10:47] <bhna> segfault2k: yes
[10:48] <segfault2k> Configurando usplash (0.1preview) ...
[10:48] <segfault2k> ready..
[10:48] <segfault2k> now what i do
[10:48] <bhna> segfault2k: reboot
[10:48] <apokryphos> Wait
[10:48] <apokryphos> change the image first ;-)
[10:48] <segfault2k> how can i remove the sync with ntp.ubuntulinux.org in the boot?
[10:49] <bhna> apokryphos: true words ;-)
[10:49] <segfault2k> what image i change?
[10:49] <segfault2k> how?
[10:49] <apokryphos>  /etc/usplash
[10:49] <apokryphos> the image in there -- background.jpg
[10:49] <bhna> segfault2k: /ec/usplash/background.jpg
[10:50] <segfault2k> i will use my kubuntuwall :P
[10:52] <segfault2k> and withoput the little wave
[10:54] <bhna> segfault2k: ;-)
[10:58] <segfault2k> bhna: 
[10:58] <segfault2k> apokryphos: 
[10:59] <segfault2k> bhna: apokryphos bhna apokryphos bhna apokryphos bhna apokryphos bhna apokryphos 
[10:59] <segfault2k> XD
[10:59] <apokryphos> hi ;-)
[10:59] <segfault2k> http://kakariko.kde.no/~segfault/background.jpg
[11:00] <segfault2k> look!
[11:00] <bhna> segfault2k: just looking
[11:01] <bhna> segfault2k: excellent !
[11:01] <apokryphos> coool :)
[11:01] <segfault2k> there's no need to edit grub.conf?
[11:01] <bhna> segfault2k: and no little wave ;-)
[11:01] <apokryphos> Nope
[11:02] <apokryphos> those .debs do it all for you
[11:02] <segfault2k> rlz
[11:02] <segfault2k> splash vga=792image (hd0,1)/boot/grub/splash vga=792images/bike_gua.xpm.gz
[11:03] <segfault2k> thats is in my grub.conf
[11:03] <segfault2k> :S
[11:03] <segfault2k> how is the perfect line :S ?
[11:03] <bhna> segfault2k: its ok 
[11:03] <segfault2k> !
[11:03] <bhna> segfault2k: vga=792 is ok you need the framebuffer
[11:03] <segfault2k> i know
[11:04] <segfault2k> but
[11:04] <segfault2k> splash vga=792image (hd0,1)/boot/grub/splash vga=792images/bike_gua.xpm.gz
[11:04] <segfault2k> that's wrong :S
[11:04] <segfault2k> check your grub.conf please
[11:04] <segfault2k> the splash part
[11:04] <apokryphos> segfault2k: what do you tend to use for your highly suspect graphical manipulation deeds? ;-)
[11:05] <jc-denton> i also cannot find khotkeys
[11:06] <apokryphos> segfault2k: where is the grub.conf. I thought it was in /boot/grub or in /etc, but can't see
[11:06] <segfault2k> i mean
[11:06] <segfault2k> menu.lst
[11:06] <segfault2k> XD
[11:06] <bhna> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
[11:06] <bhna> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
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[11:06] <bhna> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />
[11:06] <bhna> <meta name="Generator" content="Kate, the KDE Advanced Text Editor" />
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[11:06] <bhna> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hdb1 ro vga=792 quiet splash vga=792</pre></body>
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[11:08] <bhna> segfault2k: sorry my fault
[11:08] <segfault2k> np
[11:08] <bhna> segfault2k: this is my configuration in menu.1st
[11:08] <apokryphos> What line was that on segfault2k? Can't see it..
[11:08] <segfault2k> danke
[11:08] <segfault2k> apokryphos: my fault
[11:08] <segfault2k> XD
[11:08] <apokryphos> hehe
[11:08] <segfault2k> is a bug in usplash debconf
[11:09] <apokryphos> oh
[11:09] <segfault2k> its add a splash vga=792 to every "root" image
[11:09] <segfault2k> and my line is for the splashiamge
[11:09] <segfault2k> *image
[11:09] <apokryphos> Hm, ok.
[11:09] <segfault2k> i think
[11:09] <segfault2k> XD
[11:09] <segfault2k> well, i will reboot
[11:10] <bhna> i have no probs with menu.1st
[11:10] <segfault2k> my fault ;)
[11:11] <Tsuroerusu> Anybody know if the final version of Kubuntu 5.04 will be released along with Ubuntu Hoary tomorrow?
[11:12] <apokryphos> Tsuroerusu: it will
[11:12] <apokryphos> *friday
[11:12] <apokryphos> (along with Ubuntu, that is)
[11:12] <segfault2k> well i will reboot :p
[11:12] <segfault2k> how can i take a snap of the usplash?
[11:13] <apokryphos> No idea. Some found out how to take a splash of DE, but with usplash, X and i.e. KDm isn't running
[11:13] <segfault2k> ahh
[11:13] <segfault2k> well i reboot p
[11:13] <segfault2k> :P
[11:13] <Tsuroerusu> Is there any particular "issues" that causes problems for some users?
[11:14] <Tsuroerusu> I have only tried it through VMware
[11:14] <Tsuroerusu> But that doesn't work very well for some odd reason
[11:14] <apokryphos> Tsuroerusu: /topic
[11:15] <Tsuroerusu> I know, but I've been checking the mailing list and stuff and it seems some people are mentioning unlisted problems
[11:16] <apokryphos> That's partly because often the problems are specific to a particular setupe etc. 
[11:16] <Tsuroerusu> Ahhh, I see
[11:16] <apokryphos> Generally, it runs very well. There are a few issues flying about, most of which will probably be fixed for Hoary official
[11:17] <Tsuroerusu> By the way, on the Ubuntu Wiki I found a mentioning of mpeg issues with kdemultimedia, does that cause DVD playback issues?
[11:17] <apokryphos> no idea
[11:18] <haggai> anything which is known about but not yet fixed should be in bugzilla
[11:18] <Tsuroerusu> The reason for the questions is that I really wanna use Kubuntu to replace Gentoo on the PC that my mother and sister share in the living room and propertly for my own as well
[11:18] <segfault2k> looks really great!
[11:18] <segfault2k> but that ugly red line!
[11:19] <bhna> segfault2k: but no way to change the red line :-(
[11:20] <segfault2k> and by hacking the source? :S
[11:20] <bhna> segfault2k: i'm not a hacker, only a simple user
[11:20] <segfault2k> i'll upload the background.jpg to kde-look to add it in KubuntuArtwork
[11:22] <Tsuroerusu> By the way, if OpenOffice is included with Kubuntu will it have the KDE icons like the OOo that comes with SuSE 9.2 has?
[11:22] <haggai> Tsuroerusu: no, the change was too intrusive to make late in the release cycle
[11:23] <bhna> haggai: is the gnome-them still the default firefox-theme?
[11:23] <apokryphos> haggai: what is the status on OOo vs. Koffice? I might try to add something to the wiki about that.. several persons have asked...
[11:24] <haggai> apokryphos: I haven't been involved in koffice, I don't think there's much status to report about koffice I'm afraid
[11:25] <segfault2k> Koffice rlz :D
[11:25] <apokryphos> haggai: so OOo will remain default on Kubuntu? That's basically what I meant...
[11:25] <haggai> apokryphos: oh, right.  yes.
[11:25] <apokryphos> OOo is good (and more advanced at the mo), but might upset some KDE aficionados :D
[11:26] <haggai> apokryphos: it would have been nice to get koffice into a more official state than universe but we didn't have time to work on it.  motaboy was interested I think
[11:27] <motaboy> eheh.
[11:27] <motaboy> haggai: I was writing this phrase just now:
[11:27] <motaboy> For who's interested my experimental builds of koffice pre 1.4 from CVS is ready.
[11:27] <haggai> hey motaboy :)
[11:27] <apokryphos> Yeah, would be nice to have it there eventually. :)
[11:27] <apokryphos> motaboy: lead the way, I'll test ;-)
[11:28] <apokryphos> Ok, in your repo; got it.
[11:29] <apokryphos> Hmm, the link on your wiki entry is empty.. http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~motaboy/ubuntu-experimental/
[11:29] <motaboy> apokryphos: one moment. :D
[11:29] <segfault2k> motaboy: where i can downlad the debs?
[11:29] <apokryphos> sure
[11:31] <Gavrila> apokryphos: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101155
[11:31] <Gavrila> ciao motaboy ;)
[11:32] <apokryphos> Gavrila: Ah, so I see.
[11:33] <motaboy> ciao Gavrila :D
[11:42] <Gavrila> :)
[11:42] <Gavrila> motaboy: let's feed back u 2
[11:42] <Gavrila> ok sorry I misphrased
[11:42] <Gavrila> feed back u 2 :D
[11:43] <burgermann> Does anyone know (retorical q) how to enable KDE desktop, when installed with synaptic? :S
[11:44] <apokryphos> erm, ok..
[11:44] <motaboy> apokryphos: there is a missing kivio plugins as it's format was wrong. I already reported this upstream so it should be fixed in the next compilation. Or I'll fix it personally in kde CVS.
[11:45] <motaboy> s/it's/its
[11:45] <motaboy> and probably many other errors
[11:45] <motaboy> there's also krita and kexi
[11:45] <apokryphos> motaboy: Ok, sure -- let me know whenever there's progress. No rush.
[11:45] <motaboy> uploading now:D
[11:46] <apokryphos> cool
[11:46] <motaboy> for kexi e made also kexi-mysql kexi-pgsql and kexi-dev
[11:46] <motaboy> separated from koffice-dev
[11:46] <motaboy> I don't know if this is appreciated or not
[11:48] <bhna> burgermann: change the sessontype in gdm to kde
[11:48] <bhna> burgermann: *sessiontype
[11:50] <motaboy> haggai, amu, Riddel: please don't flame me if the koffice deb sucks :D
[11:50] <segfault2k> motaboy: is ready?
[11:50] <motaboy> segfault2k: some starting VERY EXPERIMENTAL CVS debs
[11:52] <segfault2k> i know
[11:52] <segfault2k> but the repo is ready to download?
[11:52] <motaboy> segfault2k: uploading. 10 minutes and it's ready
[11:52] <segfault2k> :D ok :D
[11:52] <apokryphos> cool
[11:52] <segfault2k> it have a packages.gz to add it in sources.list ?
[11:53] <motaboy> segfault2k: I'll do it when the upload is finished
[11:53] <motaboy> segfault2k: just try krita. I think it rocks :D
[11:54] <segfault2k> every thing to get out of my box all gtk apps :p
[11:54] <segfault2k> the only 2 gtk apps in my computer is firefox and inkscape
[11:57] <motaboy> done
[11:58] <bhna> by, go to sleep
[11:58] <burgermann> bhna, how do I do that?
[11:58] <burgermann> Oh, soz for interrupting :S
[11:58] <motaboy> burgermann: in kdm or gdm click Session and choose kde
[11:59] <burgermann> oki
[11:59] <burgermann> thx
[11:59] <bhna> burgermann: klick on session and choose kde
[11:59] <burgermann> =S, it's not there.. 
[12:00] <bhna> burgermann: in the left corner? an icon?
[12:01] <burgermann> Hmnz.. where do I find session?.. 
[12:01] <segfault2k> bottom left corner
[12:02] <bhna> burgermann: lock out off gnome the click on the second icon down left
[12:02] <burgermann> k, I'll try it in a moment .. =)