, <description>, and <type>?, url and language code ? [07:31] <enrico> I just did <description>, as in Italian "Release Notes" and "About Ubuntu" wouldn't really change [07:32] <enrico> well, <title> does change, actually [07:32] <enrico> <type>, I have no idea [07:32] <enrico> let's say just <title> and <description> [07:32] <enrico> if those get translated, I'd be very happy already [07:33] <enrico> Now, I'll make a release as things are now [07:33] <enrico> If new translations arrive, it's just a matter of dumping them into debian/ and rebuild the package [07:34] <claude> wait for my French omf... [07:34] <enrico> seb128: if I'm not online, can you do that? (of course bumping the package version) [07:34] <seb128> hum [07:34] <seb128> doing what ? you are uploading a version with french/italian now ? [07:34] <seb128> just updating new omf files like for these ones ? [07:35] <claude> froud can do updating... [07:35] <claude> what he can't do is packaging [07:36] <seb128> I can do packaging :) [07:39] <enrico> seb128: that's the catch :) [07:39] <enrico> I won't have net access tonight [07:39] <enrico> debian/install already picks up about-ubuntu-*.omf [07:40] <enrico> so you just need to dump them there [07:40] <seb128> ok, nice [07:40] <enrico> claude: sent the new OMF? [07:40] <seb128> I can manage that [07:40] <claude> enrico: yes [07:41] <claude> I'll mail ubuntu-translators about omf strings === mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:52] <mdke> hiya [07:52] <mdke> claude, ping [07:52] <enrico> claude: perfect! [07:52] <mdke> hi enrico [07:53] <enrico> mdke: hi! [07:54] <mdke> yo [07:54] <enrico> Ok, I'm releasing. seb128 will take care of adding further OMFs if I'm not around === mdke reads log [07:55] <mdke> ahhhhh === claude needs some time to take care of family :) [07:56] <enrico> mdke: how come you're screaming? [07:56] <mdke> enrico, now that was a gentle exhale of understanding [07:56] <mdke> enrico, i just came in to ask about claude's email but now i've read the logs i understand [07:57] <enrico> ah :) [07:57] <enrico> zzip! Uploaded [07:57] <mdke> you want me to forward that email to the individuals who did the original translations? [07:57] <enrico> mdke: yes, please do [07:57] <mdke> ok [07:58] <enrico> who's collecting the OMF files? I won't be online for long [07:58] <mdke> i suggest claude or froud-away, they are the only ones who know what is going on ;) [07:58] <mdke> but you're the only one who can package right? [08:02] <seb128> I'll package [08:02] <mdke> :) [08:02] <mdke> i'll just say to forward translations to the docteam list then [08:03] <seb128> if you can get them commited to the SVN that's easy to update the package [08:04] <mdke> ok hopefully someone will be able to do this [08:04] <mdke> what files are they going in? [08:04] <seb128> ? [08:04] <mdke> (i missed your discussion don't forget0 [08:05] <seb128> the .omf files need to be translated to have the translated version for yelp [08:05] <seb128> on the index [08:05] <mdke> right [08:06] <seb128> that's it [08:06] <seb128> imf translations [08:06] <seb128> s/imf/omf/ [08:07] <mdke> ok [08:07] <mdke> separate files get created in debian/? [08:07] <mdke> like debian/about-ubuntu-fr.omf? [08:07] <mdke> ok see it [08:09] <seb128> right [08:09] <mdke> should be np [08:10] <seb128> right, that's only a title and a short description [08:11] <mdke> no idea who did xh [08:11] <mdke> but should be able to find all the others [08:13] <mdke> ok email sent [08:17] <mdke> back to work === maskie [~maskie@196-30-108-223.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico disconnects [08:59] <enrico> well, I was disconnected even before (the cable unplugged) [09:00] <enrico> good luck with the release! [09:00] <enrico> (I hope to be online a bit tomorrow) [09:00] <mdke> whoa, is the release tomorrow? === claude [~claude@187.64.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === claude [~claude@187.64.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:36] <mdke> wb [09:42] <mdke> seb128, whats our deadline for those omf files? one response so far [09:50] <seb128> tomorrow [09:50] <mdke> seb128, kthx [09:50] <seb128> np === jjesse_ [~jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:43] <mdke> froud-away, de and pt omf files to commit :)

=== mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Skywind [~Skywind@218.94.37.185] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jalrnc [~joao@ip68-0-220-224.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jalrnc [~joao@ip68-0-220-224.ri.ri.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:47] greetings === froud-away is now known as froud [07:49] African Greetings [07:55] hi froud [07:56] js morning [07:57] how r you today? [07:58] im doing well im checking out the svn now for changes [07:59] release-notes-tl.xml is not wellformed i am informedby yelp [08:00] there are problems with the po file see th emailing list [08:02] ok hold on [08:06] what is the fuzzy header? [08:08] some editors use fuzy logic to make the file header #, fuzzy [08:08] this can be stripped. [08:10] does a po file affect how well formed an xml becomes or does the tool really make bad xml? [08:11] yes, since we make the nn-xml from the nn-po [08:11] You are missing a url attribute on one of the ulinks [08:12] im trying to validate the xml and fix it instead of fixing the po since i find this easier [08:12] jsgotangco: not good [08:13] if it does not get fixed in th epo then the xml will always be remade invalid [08:13] ok so i go back to the po then [08:13] jsgotangco: hint look at line 104 of the po [08:14] then see line 105:136 [08:14] oops [08:14] then see line 105:320 [08:15] fixed that [08:15] already [08:15] what should i get to make this po an xml and validate it myself? [08:15] in trunk/ do make po [08:16] do you have poxml installed [08:16] no i dont think so [08:16] do which xml2pot [08:16] what do you get [08:17] on pwd? i get nothing [08:17] ok installed poxml [08:17] ok do sudo apt-get install poxml [08:18] done [08:18] you should alsready have msgfmt installed [08:18] part of gettext [08:19] in trunk/ do make po [08:20] ahhh i see that [08:22] ok fuzzy is removed but i need to know where the header fields with initial default values [08:24] "Last-Translator: FULL NAME \n" [08:24] oh i edit that as well? [08:24] ep [08:29] wee ok i get it now [08:29] :-) [08:32] does the make po command check for possible errors as well for the conversion to xml? [08:32] it checks th epo file with msgfmt [08:33] this only checks the integrity of the po not the xml elements [08:33] if the po is ok then it converts to xml [08:34] ok ill submit the po again to re commit [08:34] of course it first checks the old copy of the xml against the new copy before patching [08:34] just make a patch [08:35] oh you can patch po as well? [08:35] any text file can be patched [08:36] ooohhhh === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S010600055d2d2609.du.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:48] Burgundavia: morn [08:58] salut [09:03] hi [09:15] jsgotangco: there is a problem applying your patch [09:15] can your revert you tl.xml [09:16] svn revert release-notes-tl.xml [09:16] then create the patch just on your po file [09:17] svn diff release-notes-tl.po > release-notes-tl.po.diff [09:17] and send it again. Thanks === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S010600055d2d2609.du.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:26] ok wait i was not looking [09:26] no rush, no worries, no stress [09:32] Morning [09:32] morn [09:34] salut Kinnison [09:38] ca va? [09:40] life goes on [09:40] had a wedding today in my DnD game [09:40] almost killed us [09:41] Heh [09:41] lol [09:42] Last thing that almost killed us in role-play was someone using an ancient spell to addict people to alcohol during the period of prohibition in rhode island [09:42] now that is funny [09:43] damn gnomebaker [09:43] taking 40 minutes to copy a cd [09:49] i never got into role play [09:49] it wasnt that popular in asian countries [09:49] its mostly video games [09:49] hehe === EricNeon [~ericneon@203.148.3.94] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:21] hi~ [10:21] hi [10:22] can I use plone at ubuntu-zh.org? [10:23] now ,we use moin Wiki [10:23] Yes. Just post to ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com that this is what you want [10:23] oh,thank you ! === claude [~claude@147.72.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:29] hi, i'm now in hoary ! [10:29] hoho [10:30] just one problem left with screen resolution :( [10:30] with Warty, i was in 1600x1200 [10:30] ok [10:30] and now? [10:30] now only 1280x1024 [10:30] when i switch to 1600 [10:31] the desktop is larger than the screen [10:31] ok [10:31] not very practical :) [10:31] what driver did you use on warty [10:31] I'm in hoary since a month ago~ [10:31] i810 (no ATI nor nvidia) [10:32] ok [10:32] did you do any custom tweaks to either configuration file? [10:32] no, except maybe sync rates === mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:34] froud, you here? [10:34] uh huh [10:34] claude: well-done [10:34] just seen the mails, are the po files all ok now or do they still need checking? [10:34] hi froud claude [10:34] they need some minor revisions [10:34] hi jsgotangco [10:34] hi [10:34] I think I fix de [10:35] svn up then with pwd trunk/ do make po [10:35] i can now check if translated docs show under my desktop [10:35] it's ok for about-ubuntu [10:35] would it be possible for you guys to deal with it today, i really need to focus on my exam [10:36] but when i call help summary [10:36] the english ones are showing [10:36] :( [10:36] at revision 841 [10:37] froud, jsgotangco? === froud finishes updating https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepl18n [10:38] hmmm ok ill try to fix some today they arenot that complicated anyway [10:38] jsgotangco, thanks i appreciate it === froud thanks jsgotangco [10:38] but i still think the the guys who did the translation should do it *grin* [10:38] btw froud i don't think dpkg-reconfigure locales is the correct way to change language now in hoary [10:39] mdke: ask claude [10:39] afaik, its just selected on gdm login [10:39] mdke: enrico told us that yesterday [10:39] hmm [10:39] i seem to remember it being in the releasenotes ;) [10:39] anyway, as long as it works [10:40] np === Cturtle [~Cturtle__@82.161.239.194] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:40] dpkg-reconfigure lcoales is only to create locales [10:40] it's not meant to change current locale [10:41] yeah [10:41] we do so in terminal with LANG= [10:41] this way, we don't have to relogin to test languages [10:41] but gnome takes the locale from the environment afaik [10:42] jsgotangco: check tl see if it is ok I get two rejections on th epatch [10:42] i gtg [10:42] see ya later [10:42] the LANG= directive should take precedence, just for the current terminal session [10:43] yeah [10:43] if you wanna change it for gnome you have to logout, change the environment and log in [10:43] i think [10:43] but anyway, np [10:43] cya later [10:46] when i do make po i dont get any issues anymore [10:48] jsgotangco: OK so may I suggest that before doing any work on files it is good practice always to do svn up [10:48] before making a patch also do svn up [10:48] then do svn status [10:48] then make your patch [10:48] i did that [10:48] the rejects were because of changes in the repos that were not in your wc [10:50] ok ill keep that in mind [10:50] no worries [10:50] this is how we all learn [10:50] ;-) [10:50] Thanks for your work [10:50] froud: would it be ok to make a super patch for all the edits i did on the other po i fixed just now? [10:51] or should i make patches per localization [10:51] Best is to work small and patch [10:51] make it per caus ethen it is easier to role back [10:51] ok ill send the patches in a few minutes [10:54] jsgotangco: svn up :-) [10:57] ok im sending the patches now for the other languages [11:09] the more important thing to verify before Hoary is that translated files appear in yelp summary [11:10] that doesn't work now for me (ubuntu-docs 0.5-1) [11:10] i think ubuntu-doc is not yet updated [11:11] k [11:11] even my copy still has typo errors === maskie [~maskie@196-30-108-254.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:30] jsgotangco: how do you make your diff [11:31] svn diff filename-nn.po > filename-nn.diff [11:32] why do I keep getting rejections on your patches [11:32] hmm [11:32] all the patches are rejected? [11:32] maybe i should refresh my wc? [11:32] sean@sean:~/projects/ubuntu/trunk/aboutubuntu> patch -p0 about-ubuntu-pt.xml about-ubuntu-pt.diff [11:32] and get them from scratch again? [11:32] patching file about-ubuntu-pt.xml [11:33] Hunk #1 FAILED at 2. [11:33] 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file about-ubuntu-pt.xml.rej [11:33] sean@sean:~/projects/ubuntu/trunk/aboutubuntu> patch -p0 about-ubuntu-de.xml about-ubuntu-de.diff [11:33] patching file about-ubuntu-de.xml [11:33] Hunk #1 FAILED at 3. [11:33] 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file about-ubuntu-de.xml.rej [11:33] sean@sean:~/projects/ubuntu/trunk/aboutubuntu> [11:33] methinks i should create a new trunk [11:36] jsgotangco: just send me your po files [11:40] claude: Ialso cant patch from your diff.... wtf [11:40] is there something about po files that they cannot be patched [11:41] claude: just send me the po file [11:41] jsgotangco: you too [11:41] thanks [11:41] ok [11:44] froud: maybe you should be at trunk to patch [11:44] not in the sub-folders [11:45] the diff includes relative path to files [11:48] claude: nope that is not it [11:49] patch -p0 quickguide/quick-guide-fr.xml quickguide/quick-guide-fr-po.diff [11:49] patching file quickguide/quick-guide-fr.xml [11:49] Hunk #1 FAILED at 1536. [11:49] Hunk #2 FAILED at 2376. [11:49] 2 out of 2 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file quickguide/quick-guide-fr.xml.rej [11:50] hmm i just made a new trunk *grin* ill just fix the pos again [11:52] strange, for me the patch applies ok [11:53] from trunk/ or relative to [11:53] from trunk [11:53] maybe the .diff should be at trunk root ? [11:54] I tried that [11:54] patch -p0 quickguide/quick-guide-fr.po quick-guide-fr-po.diff [11:54] ohhh [11:54] sorry, the patch was for xml :-P [11:54] Oh oh hold may be your right [11:55] huh [11:55] no, no [11:55] blgraskdkhjkyxcjhk [11:55] the patch was for po, right [11:55] and you did for xml [11:56] Hmm tired [11:56] he, he === claude thinks Froud should listen to his wife :) [11:58] you got me with the -po.diff instead of .po.diff [11:58] ok po files sent i didnt fix fr claude already covered for that [11:59] oh it was quickguide-fr [11:59] jsgotangco: thanks will check this now [11:59] claude: patch applied [12:00] thx :) [12:01] claude: maybe you can also fix release-notes-fr.po *wink* [12:02] jsgotangco: k, i missed that :( [12:04] froud: how come some of the xml files still dont open correctly with yelp? [12:04] nearly there [12:04] sean@sean:~/projects/ubuntu/trunk> make po [12:04] Rebuilding docbook xml files from .po files [12:05] ./make-po [12:05] Processing modules: aboutubuntu releasenotes quickguide [12:05] 24 translated messages. [12:05] 24 translated messages. [12:05] 24 translated messages. [12:05] 24 translated messages. [12:05] 24 translated messages. [12:05] 24 translated messages. [12:05] 24 translated messages. [12:05] 127 translated messages. [12:05] 127 translated messages. [12:05] msgfmt: releasenotes/release-notes-fr.po: some header fields still have the initial default value [12:05] msgfmt: releasenotes/release-notes-fr.po: warning: PO file header fuzzy [12:05] warning: older versions of msgfmt will give an error on this [12:05] msgfmt: found 1 fatal error [12:06] 124 translated messages. [12:06] 127 translated messages. [12:06] 126 translated messages. [12:06] 127 translated messages. [12:06] 533 translated messages, 1 fuzzy translation. [12:06] patching file quickguide/quick-guide-fr.xml [12:06] jsgotangco: must validate them [12:06] if they are not valid then the po has problems [12:06] but i just did an svn up and i only got the po files i fixed [12:07] i thought the po files upon commit generate a new xml file [12:07] yes but that does not mean there are no XML errors in th epo [12:07] the check does not check the markup of xml [12:07] which files have problems [12:08] release-notes-pt.xml [12:08] release-notes-tl.xml [12:09] sean@sean:~/projects/ubuntu/trunk> ./validate.sh releasenotes/release-notes-pt.xml [12:09] releasenotes/release-notes-pt.xml:208: parser error : EntityRef: expecting ';' [12:09] es instalarem dispositivos sem necessidade de reinicializar ("hot-swap" [12:09] ^ [12:09] next file [12:09] sean@sean:~/projects/ubuntu/trunk> ./validate.sh releasenotes/release-notes-tl.xml [12:09] releasenotes/release-notes-tl.xml:136: parser error : error parsing attribute name [12:09] ary NVidia drivers. Para sa karagdagang impormasyon,tignan ang website ng ^ [12:09] releasenotes/release-notes-tl.xml:136: parser error : attributes construct error [12:09] ary NVidia drivers. Para sa karagdagang impormasyon,tignan ang website ng froud; stop flooding us :-O [12:10] lol [12:10] ok [12:10] just sent the patch for release-notes-fr [12:10] jsgotangco: thanks [12:10] claude: thanks [12:11] jsgotangco: you can use .validate.sh filename [12:11] jsgotangco: you can use ./validate.sh filename [12:11] to check valid or not on xml files [12:11] ok im aware of that but i always thought a new commited po will make a new xml file on svn [12:11] you must have xsltproc installed and xmllint [12:11] it did [12:12] see commit list [12:12] I think I am gonna ask all authors not to use " [12:12] but if the xml is wrong and the make po does not show any issues, i end up editing the xml which you didnt recommend [12:12] I think it is better we do [12:13] th eproblem is in the message string [12:13] it contains xml [12:13] which has incorrect syntax [12:13] jsgotangco; you have to edit the po, do the xml conversion, check the result and return to po if problems [12:14] msgfmt does not check xml only the integrity of the po [12:15] ok so if i get it right, the flow should be, edit po, convert to xml, validate, if errors, fix po and convert again till the xml is correct? [12:15] that's my point of view [12:15] ok hold a sec [12:16] I will do a make po again [12:16] if there are changes it will show in svn [12:18] sean@sean:~/projects/ubuntu/trunk> make po [12:18] Rebuilding docbook xml files from .po files [12:18] ./make-po [12:18] Processing modules: aboutubuntu releasenotes quickguide [12:18] 24 translated messages. [12:18] 24 translated messages. [12:18] 24 translated messages. [12:18] 24 translated messages. [12:18] 24 translated messages. [12:18] 24 translated messages. [12:18] 24 translated messages. [12:18] 127 translated messages. [12:18] 127 translated messages. [12:18] 127 translated messages. [12:18] 124 translated messages. [12:18] 127 translated messages. [12:18] 126 translated messages. [12:18] 127 translated messages. [12:18] 533 translated messages, 1 fuzzy translation. [12:18] i get the same as well but the xml needs fixing [12:19] 127, 124, 126 ?? [12:19] ok make po only updated one file the quick guide [12:19] all commits done [12:19] now all nn.xml must be validated [12:19] not valid then check for problem in po and fix [12:20] think that's our work, not translators [12:20] if valid no problem === jsgotangco agrees as well [12:20] claude: yes [12:20] This is why before we send po files in future we must test them in wc [12:20] then do patch [12:21] we are learning [12:21] :-) [12:21] we muddle though [12:21] its a good experience aye [12:21] Ok dudes I must do work now [12:21] froud: could you validate with xmllint in make-po ? [12:21] I will monitor for messages and mail [12:21] k [12:21] claude: no [12:21] po not xml [12:22] yes, but you're making xml in make-po [12:23] i let you work, now [12:23] cya [12:23] good thing my time zone allows me to to work with you guys at this time === froud is now known as froud-work [12:24] jsgotangco: where r you? [12:24] in Tonga [12:24] nooo [12:24] Philippines lol [12:24] +0800 [12:41] ok im going home [12:41] bye bye === _froud [~froud@ndn-165-146-40.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _froud is now known as froud-work === mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:34] yo [02:35] yo yo [02:35] heh [02:35] hi froud-work how goes it? [02:35] work work [02:35] goes well [02:35] how is yor studying [02:35] good [02:36] not too bad [02:36] i might just about get there in time [02:36] oh good. well dont let us stop you dude [02:36] heh [02:36] study is more important the FOSS [02:36] nah [02:36] its easy [02:36] until you dont know [02:37] then you come here [02:37] i don't care about it too much, as long as i pass [02:37] he he [02:37] no i mean the study is easy [02:37] the FOSS is the hard part [02:37] ;) [02:38] we still have a couple of xml files that dont avlidate cause of problems in th epo files [02:39] if you feel like doing something else [02:39] do you know which ones? [02:39] just ./validate on each xml to find the problems [02:39] they should all be checked [02:39] ok [02:39] will have a look [02:45] ones which don't work: [02:45] about-ubuntu-de.xml [02:45] release-notes-tl.xml [02:46] release-notes-pt.xml [02:46] ok that's it [02:46] i'll try and see what I can fix [02:46] in de it is the entities change them to decimal as in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepl18n [02:46] for the others it is problems with the xml inside the po files [02:47] kthx [02:56] ok german one is done, sending replacement (sorry i haven't time to work out how to do diffs/patches [02:57] its fine [02:58] sent [03:10] ok sent a release-notes-pt.po too [03:15] de work [03:16] oh good [03:16] gtg [03:16]