[01:58] Am I reading the encrypted filesystems wiki page right that losetup will go away in favour of device-mapper? === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [02:02] evening [04:16] jbailey: i'm told dmcrypt is quite easy to set up [04:17] i should really set that up w/in the next week or so [04:25] jbailey: no one has told the maintainer of losetup about it going away... :-) [04:25] but devicemapper is better [04:27] jbailey: you still around? [04:57] dilinger: I'm back. [04:57] dilinger: The dmcrypt stuff does look easy enough to setup. [04:58] The initrd-tools bits make some assumptions around devince-mapper bits that appear to be wrong. It's mostly new stuff to me. [04:59] lamont: Cool, thanks/. [05:10] jbailey: yea, it gets triggered in cases when root is not dmcrypt, apparently [05:11] also, it has libdevmapper1.00 hardcoded in mkinitrd, which is just plain wrong [05:11] for breezy and sid, anyways (possibly sarge too, not sure). warty still has libdevmapper1.00; other stuff has libdevmapper1.01 [05:16] Ah lovely. That'll be useful knowledge for troubleshooting. [05:16] It's one of the dusty corners of initrd that I haven't explored yet. === dilinger nods [05:21] Woohoo, just called the cops to file a noise complaint against the construction site across the street. [05:21] 23:21 is awful late for running a jack hammer. [05:24] stick it to 'em [05:44] morning [05:45] hiya [06:08] fabbione: you got the thing you were pinging me for? === lamont begins an interesting practical excercise in the kevin bacon game [06:09] lamont: you mean the dir.old.gz? [06:09] yeah [06:09] != bacon game [06:09] yeah i am checking it === lamont lost contact info for someone who has gone to pain to become unreachable. [06:10] the point is that for me is libmpfr-dev_2.1.0-2ubuntu1_sparc.deb [06:10] i wonder why it did show up again. [06:11] this package has been built the 12th of Feb [06:11] and i did other gcc-4.0 built since than [06:11] with no problems [06:12] so i guess it was not a Build-Dep before? [06:16] dunno [06:17] neither do i [06:17] i can't keep old logs for too long === Lathiat [~lathiat@202.92.213.227] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Mithrand1r [~tfheen@vawad.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Mithrandir [~tfheen@vawad.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === zul [~chuck@198.62.158.205] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [03:09] morning === Byakhee [~Byakhee@84.119.73.118] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [04:25] hah...defeated palm yet again [04:59] fabbione: you should take 2.6.10 patch it up to 2.6.11 and then all the release candidates [05:40] zul: evil [05:41] take 2.6.12rc2 and bring forward the not-from-cvs patches [05:41] s/from-cvs/in-bk-head/ [05:41] it works [05:41] bbl...lunch.. [05:41] and is much easier [05:42] re [05:42] zul: no no ... clean orig and portforward the patches [05:43] plus we might have to check all of the non-stolen-from-head [05:43] and brings hppa's diff down to (according to that channel topic): 2.6.12-rc2-pa0 is <200k: 55k ad1889, 47k input, 26k compat, 50k split for Linus, 22k remaining [05:43] some of them have been merged upstream across the time [05:43] update all the drivers [05:43] fabbione: right - many of the non-"stolen-from-head" patches have since made it into head. [05:43] and so on... [05:43] i was thinking to enfore a policy name [05:43] stolen-from-head is there and ok [05:44] edriver- [05:44] ah, right [05:44] for external drivers [05:44] oh, yes. we have the patch-name policy documented on the wiki soon, yes? [05:44] not that i remember.... === lamont delegates the task to fabbione [05:44] but also.. i want to get rid of dpatch [05:45] that's a must [05:45] lamont: yeah that's fine for me... [05:45] replace it with what? [05:45] lamont: i was considering either dbs-ng [05:46] or patch the code directly. BUT keeping track of all the applied patches in debian/patches [05:46] cdbs, maybe [05:46] i don't think cdbs can help us at all [05:47] dbs gives me the 'run screaming from doogie code' stuff [05:47] we have a too customized build system [05:47] right [05:47] lamont: no no.. not dbs [05:47] dbs-ng... [05:47] fabbione: dilinger seemed to think that cdbs could do it. [05:47] calling it dbs-ng was a really stupid thing to do then [05:48] jbailey: i really don't think it can, but if you want to look at our rules file and get an idea [05:48] fabbione: 'kay. Mind if I do that this weekend? [05:48] lamont: i think xen 2.0.5 in experimental is packaged with dbs-ng [05:48] Or are you guys looking at it sooner? === lamont is kinda busy with other stuff this week. :-) [05:49] jbailey: well.. asap is the better [05:49] fabbione: and he said that this weekend was asap for him... :-) [05:49] lamont: yeah.. we will be busy releasing anyway [06:16] for the bk cutting edge tree my suggestion would be weekly snapshot [06:16] and turn all debugging features on [06:16] it could be too much uploading for one person if we did a daily snapshot [06:17] nah.. we were talking about weekly [06:17] or every 2 weeks [06:17] weekly would be better [06:56] lamont: we've gone over 90% up-to-date! :) [06:56] holy crap gcc4 sucks [06:57] zul: why? [06:57] all of these warnings like every second line about pointer targets [06:57] T-Bone: but i can't see a single hppa.deb in the archive.. am i looking at the wrong place??? oh probably they are only on the .fr mirror :P [06:57] fabbione: we're not in the archive [06:58] T-Bone: i know.. [06:58] fabbione: if you look at http://archive.slashdirt.org/ you'll find them [06:58] heh...im french why do you think i have this outrageous access you silly king [06:58] fabbione: your sarcasm doesn't reach me :) === fabbione sends a real bottle of wine to T-Bone === caldwell [~caldwell@cerberus.dtn.radian.biz] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === T-Bone teaches fabbione real rugby ;) [06:59] well at least i fixed where acpi bombs using gcc4 [07:00] oh god.. today archive is really slow [07:00] i only need to mirror and upgrade from warty to hoary [07:00] it's taking AGES [07:01] fabbione: tried the fr mirror? [07:01] fabbione: felt pretty fast last time i tested it [07:01] no.. it's lagged [07:01] gah... [07:01] everything != archive is lagged [07:01] drivers/acpi/processor_idle.c:57: error: static declaration of 'pm_idle_save' follows non-static declaration [07:01] include/acpi/processor.h:181: error: previous declaration of 'pm_idle_save' was here [07:01] make[2] : *** [drivers/acpi/processor_idle.o] Error 1 [07:01] make[1] : *** [drivers/acpi] Error 2 [07:01] make: *** [drivers] Error 2 [07:01] and for a buildd and my tests i need to be in sync as much as possible [07:02] zul: is error [07:02] zul: what are you trying to build? [07:02] fabbione: i use archive.u.c for the buildd source, works just fine [07:02] mirror-missing| grep -v _ia64 | wc [07:02] 59 61 4249 [07:02] and then there's xorg and l-s-2.6.10 :-( [07:02] fabbione: i get around 20Mb/s out of it at min [07:02] that's from the run I started yesterday [07:03] T-Bone: not from here [07:03] fabbione: get a real ISP :) [07:03] T-Bone: you get 20Mb from home? [07:03] lamont: i had to give-back l-s, segfaulted during the build of ppp modules [07:03] fabbione: from school [07:03] tsk [07:03] i am home with my standard 2Mb line [07:03] it still slow [07:03] from home i get 7-8Mb/s [07:04] fabbione: get a real ISP :) [07:04] T-Bone: i don't have fibers here yet... [07:04] too far away from decent centrals [07:04] but we are voting next week to get them [07:04] fabbione: i have adsl at home, not fibers. EC-45 is good for school :) [07:04] inside the block/area counsil [07:04] EC-45 is peanuts.... [07:05] T-Bone: www.seabone.net <- that's where i was working in italy [07:05] my adsl is to be upgraded to 15Mb/s soon though [07:05] huh, I-Tim [07:05] adsl can't go over 8Mb. it has to be some kind of other technology [07:05] adslv2 [07:05] you're out of date dude [07:06] " my adsl" [07:06] you see, we may not have the best wine, but we have the best ADSL provider [07:06] you are imprecise [07:06] www.free.fr [07:06] if you can read french [07:06] and i'm not imprecise [07:06] it is "ADSL v2", 20Mbps ATM throughput, 15Mbps IP [07:06] yeah right.. adsl != adslv2 [07:07] it can use longer range from the DSLAM as well, which is cool for remote people [07:07] if we will get the fiber.. sorry.. no EC45 or adslv2... [07:07] 1xFE [07:08] i think we are somewhat world leaders on the ADSL market. At least european leaders :) [07:08] fabbione: how much do you pay for that? :) [07:08] T-Bone: if we get fibers (again it depends from the vote on thursday) it will cost probably less than my actual adsl [07:08] ISP here are very cheap [07:08] doh [07:09] how much do you pay for ADSL? [07:09] hmmmm [07:09] let me check.. i can't remember :) [07:09] lol [07:09] around 78 euro/month [07:09] UGH! [07:09] hell that's expensive [07:09] not here [07:09] that's about 3x what I pay [07:10] life in dk is more expensive that in 90% of EU countries [07:10] i pay 29 euro/month [07:10] for 8Mbps === lamont would pay 78 euro/month [07:10] T-Bone: yes but you probably get 1/4 of the wage i get on average and so on [07:10] and will pay 29e/m for 15Mbps when upgraded [07:10] T-Bone: it is really impossible to compare prices [07:10] trust me [07:11] there are too many factors that influence the price of an ISP between 2 different countries [07:11] fabbione: that's because the french government owns everything in the country [07:11] fabbione: so what's the point of living in .dk if everything is 4x more expensive? Might as well live in London... ;) [07:11] T-Bone: she was blonde :) [07:11] good reason [07:11] lamont: eheh [07:11] lamont: actually the state provider sucks hell compared to the provider called "Free", which is world leader (.eu at least) on ADSL technology [07:11] fabbione: ROTFL [07:12] T-Bone: he's dead serious [07:12] lamont: I got that, yet i'm ROTFLMAO ;] === T-Bone fortunes btw [07:12] i don't joke when it goes to blondes [07:13] hahaha [07:13] c'mon ;] [07:13] everybody jokes about blondes. Even my blonde female friends do ;) [07:13] fabbione: 2.6.10 with gcc4 [07:14] i know.. that was the real joke T-bone [07:14] zul: it's not worth spending time on it.. really [07:14] heh...i was bored :) [07:14] fabbione: i was playing Dumber ;} [07:14] T-Bone: that cant be too hard for you :) [07:14] T-Bone: ah sorry.. i couldn't make the difference from the other days === fabbione runs away [07:14] fabbione: that was easy heh? :} [07:15] fabbione: i really offered you that one =) [07:15] T-Bone: you just slamed it in front of me :) [07:15] fabbione: cause I knew you'd jump on it, damned Italian big mouth 8-)) [07:16] T-Bone: ain't my fault if you want to play dumb :) [07:16] oh god guys.. i really love this channel [07:16] fabbione: you're such a good audience ;] [07:17] fabbione: I think we all do. zul might tell, seems that with lamont you and I on the same chan, one must have fun ;) [07:17] ehehhe [07:18] i never have fun [07:18] zul: that's because you are french :P [07:18] zul: poor little thing. Feel left alone? :} [07:19] fabbione: shut your mouth! === T-Bone ducks! [07:19] ahahahha === T-Bone wonders what makes zul french :) [07:19] T-Bone: yeah your gentoo haters.. [07:19] lol [07:19] there is nothing lower than being french...well maybe italians [07:19] ROTFL [07:20] i guess that one is well deserved ;) === T-Bone ^5s zul [07:20] heh...burn..:) [07:20] ahahha === T-Bone notices that all that is logged and will soon be parsed by Googlebots [07:21] let them parse.... [07:21] who cares.. === zul does his italian imitation... [07:21] now if someone has a little script that converts irc nicks to realname, and makes that available to said googlebots, well... ;} [07:21] i am still in time to erase the logs [07:21] that is one spicy meatball [07:22] and let them hit a bunch of 404 :) [07:22] lol [07:22] now.. let me think.. [07:22] fabbione: don't do that [07:22] should i start adding random entries like: [07:22] fabbione: it's said to damage italian brains ;) [07:22]

I SUCK..I REALLY DO :) [07:22] LOL [07:22] hehe [07:23] that would kinda own you :P [07:23] fabbione: you don't need to add these, I usually add them myself ;) [07:23] its called T-Bone...sublimial...sucks...messages [07:24] ahahha [07:24] zul: you're not funny [07:24] my wife is asking me wth i am laughing so much... [07:24] im all for equal opprtunity :) [07:24] 8) [07:24] fabbione: better not tell :) [07:24] i am not... [07:25] fabbione: tell her you're working hard! :) [07:25] i am :) [07:25] 8) [07:25] looking at the ubuntu mirror that is rsync [07:25] that's a hard job [07:26] specially when you need to wait for it to do the last test before closing the day [07:26] at least she is cooking dinner :) [07:26] lol [07:26] i hate you :) [07:29] time for food.. the mirror hasn't finished yet [07:43] so umm... [07:44] like e_whatevercrappydriver.dpatch? [07:54] edriver-crappydevice [07:56] k [07:56] are you going to do the baz dance for breezy... [07:57] yeah after hoary is released [07:57] ok.. [07:57] i could wait until then...maybe.. [07:57] but we need to decide first how we want to proceed [07:57] lamont: is it confirmed that breezy will be gcc-4.0? [07:58] yeppers [07:59] than i would say that first we need to get an orig.tar.gz :) [07:59] from 2.6.11pre2.6.12rc2 or whatever lamont suggested [07:59] and to test if everything is ok [07:59] 2.6.12-rc i can scrunge one up tonight [07:59] ketchup is good ;) [07:59] zul: easy :) [08:00] my suggestion is: [08:00] i know...i was volunteering :) [08:00] a) unpack linux-source-2.6.10.orig.tar.gz [08:00] b) rename the dir to be 2.6.12 [08:00] c) repackit [08:01] d) i will let you figure this one out :) [08:01] e) mv our debian/ to the 2.6.12 [08:01] f) edit control.stub and changelog [08:01] and build it [08:01] see if all the packages get the right versions and so on [08:01] for one simple reason [08:01] make-kpkg doesn't like fancy names in the versions [08:02] and even if it builds, it will fail later to create the debs [08:02] and the udebs [08:02] once you have this undercontrol [08:02] you can use the .11 from vanilla [08:02] the patch file? [08:03] and add the patches to debian/patches to go up to 2.6.12rc2 via stolen-from-head that you really want as the first patch [08:03] zul: yeah well go up to 2.6.12 rc in someways [08:03] once you are there... [08:03] you can have fun... [08:03] or an ulcer [08:03] but just create the orig.tar.gz [08:04] okie dokie [08:04] we will work in rediffing the patches in baz [08:04] we need to keep track of what we do and why [08:07] archive is slooooow [08:19] fabbione: I'd be inclined to go with linux-source-2.6.12_2.6.11.90.orig.tar.gz [08:19] lamont: that works for me [08:19] and use 2.6.11.90-1 as the head of changelog [08:19] least amount of pain. [08:19] lamont: it is ok, but we need to see how and if make-kpkg breaks [08:20] and if it _won't_ eat that for some reason, then well.... linux-source-2.6.12_2.6.11.orig.tar.gz has some flavor... :) [08:20] i remember some horror from Mataro' when i did try to create packages for bk [08:20] ehehhe [08:20] uh that sucks...i seem to have used up 13 GB on my /home partition [08:20] /dev/hda8 96124904 83814404 7427548 92% /home [08:20] uh, yeah. 13GB. [08:21] ppphpth [08:21] Alloc PE / Size 137223 / 536.03 GB [08:21] Free PE / Size 20144 / 78.69 GB [08:21] hmm [08:21] i am almost running out of space === fabbione ducks [08:22] fabbione: it doesn't matter how much space you start with, it fills up almost immediately. [08:22] and then we start pruning [08:22] lamont: that's why i got 600 DVD for my weeding [08:22] wedding even [08:22] to backup that mess :) [08:22] and reinstall [08:22] heh [08:23] i have in mind more or less what i want [08:23] lamont: that only happens when you don't know how to sort data. My desk and main machine has 15GB total diskspace [08:23] and it's not full :) [08:24] T-Bone: no, that only happens when you add more disk everytime you run out of space.. :-) [08:24] ehhehe [08:25] lamont: fair enough. Though i have about 780GB on my secondary machine, of which a good 40% is free :) [08:25] fabbione: you see, mine is bigger ;] [08:25] hrm.. who was the openfirmware guru [08:25] ? [08:25] lamont: svenl [08:25] lamont: i can help a little maybe [08:25] T-Bone: is that a raid5 ? [08:25] fabbione: no [08:25] or just plain JOD? [08:26] T-Bone: I just want to have it spew out the paths on the machine [08:26] eh mine is raid5 [08:26] JBOD [08:26] yeah JBOD [08:26] and even more evil [08:26] T-Bone: i am over that if i unroll the raids [08:26] IDE JBOD ;) [08:26] yeah mine is IDE too [08:26] lamont: depends on the of version [08:26] lamont: usually you'd try 'ls' [08:26] "no active package" [08:26] fabbione: lol, what's the point of RAID over IDE? :) [08:27] lamont: macintosh or pegasos? [08:27] T-Bone: OF 3.0.f2 built 4/23/99 [08:27] Mac G34 [08:27] G3 [08:27] hold on [08:29] erg === T-Bone is doing nasty things with OF === T-Bone curses yaboot stage 1 that interferes with his attempt to get OF to talk nicely to him :P [08:31] night guys [08:31] cya tomorrow morning [08:31] oh i forgot the topic === ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:fabbione] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelTeam | http://people.u.c/~lamont/Archives/kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/ stable: kernel-debian--pre35--2.6.10 playground: kernel-debian--experimental--2.6.10 | There are no kernel bugs.. only broken hardware [08:32] there [08:32] c ya [08:34] lamont: hmm i'm confused, pegasos and macs OF are quite different. You want to ask svenl, definitely [08:34] ok [08:41] lamont: fyi, -34 currently building, as well as xorg -10 [08:42] and we're 91% up-to-date :) [08:49] wtf? [08:50] dh_clean: cannot read debian/control: No such file or directory [09:00] and then my debian directory gets blown away...frigging === zul smacks T-Bone [09:00] hey! [09:00] i did nothing :P [09:00] i know but today you are my bitch :) [09:12] i'm a computer whore ;} [09:12] dinner time [09:12] ye...yes you are [11:35] jbailey: cdbs2, maybe. cdbs1 would be a mess [11:36] jbailey: i use it for kernel modules, which is fairly simple, and it gets ugly [11:36] dilinger: 'kay. I've promised seb a prototype for udu. [11:36] Like self hosting and able to do nano. [11:37] http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/trunk/kernel/source/kernel-source-nonfree-2.6.11-2.6.11/debian/rules?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 [11:37] jbailey: neat [11:37] dilinger: This isn't too bad. A few of these things could get safely tossed into a kernel.mk file. [11:38] jbailey: picture that multipled by 5 [11:38] or something like that [11:38] as it needs to build multiple images [11:38] dilinger: Right, but is the result still better than it would be with other build helpers? [11:38] This is only a page and easy to read. With a helper and some clear commenting, it growing wouldn't necessarily be that bad. [11:39] jbailey: well, what really sucks is that it uses kernel-package [11:39] which doesn't really go well w/ cdbs [11:39] you end up having to do the debhelper stuff through hooks [11:39] Oh ugh. [11:39] so, debhelper.mk is next to useles [11:40] not a cdbs problem, but a kernel-package.. um.. misfeature, i guess. [11:40] 'kay then. I had been thinking in terms of the rules file actually doing the configure/make dep/ make/ make install passes itself. [11:41] In which case a helper could do that, and then you're just missing a basic multipass. [11:42] dilinger: In other news, I've discovered that cat'ing multiple .gz'ed initramfs' works, so now all we need is better bootloaders, and it's trivially to have the bootloaded assmebler the modules you want for loading. ;) [11:43] In the meantime, just have to do that step by hand from the running system. [11:43] But when/if bootloaders grow that ability it would be nice to just have those as nice add-ons and just need to generate a config CPIO file that gets added on to drop the configurations onto the initramfs. [11:44] nice [11:44] jbailey: actually, it would be nice to replace kernel-package w/ a cdbs build [11:44] dilinger: Does it get more complicated than I described above? I haven't done a kernel compiler in.. erm. a long time. [11:45] Like from scratch. [11:45] I've mostly just tweaked .config files and built new packages. [11:45] it does, but all the complexity can be popped into headers [11:45] and a lot of the complexity is backwards compat crap [11:45] which we don't have to worry about for 2.6+ [11:46]