[12:00] <andrek> well, for me - not knowing the difference between tcp and udp is not so good to know.. is there a page where this is simply explained?
[12:01] <woodwizzle> and adding rw to the fstab didn't help :(
[12:01] <[anders-mcafee] > woodwizzle: can you "sudo su -" and try the chmod as root in a shell?
[12:01] <Fuzz_> hello
[12:01] <Fuzz_> can anyone help me with ndiswrapper
[12:02] <Fuzz_> anyone of the hundreds?
[12:02] <[anders-mcafee] > andrek: pass.. but I'd guess it may be described in the Linux Networking HOWTO
[12:02] <crimsun> Fuzz_: searched the wiki yet? ;)
[12:03] <Fuzz_> i tried, i installed the deb file i think
[12:03] <woodwizzle> after sudo su -, chmod and chown still yield the same results :(
[12:03] <andrek> [anders-mcafee] , ok, thanks anyway. (ssh port 22? :P)
[12:03] <javi> hey, where can i find help/a howto/etc to test luminocity? ;o
[12:03] <[anders-mcafee] > andrek: correct
[12:03] <Fuzz_> i dpkg the .deb file, now what?
[12:04] <[anders-mcafee] > woodwizzle: is this a NTFS filesystem?
[12:04] <Fuzz_> :?
[12:04] <woodwizzle> anders-mcafee: nope, its vfay
[12:04] <woodwizzle> *vfat
[12:04] <Mestapheles> hhm rhythmbox can't open resource ofr writing, cause playback when attempting to play from hd
[12:04] <woodwizzle> here is my fstab entry: /dev/hda7       /windows        vfat    defaults,rw       0       0
[12:04] <Fuzz_> now its root@ibm:/home/usr
[12:04] <[anders-mcafee] > woodwizzle: that looks alright to me
[12:05] <andrek> [anders-mcafee] , would you know why LimeWire don't have write access to my home dir?
[12:05] <andrek> it  seems the only directory limewire have write access to is the directory where it's installed..
[12:06] <gilles> Now that Hoary is officialy released, what will be the next Ubuntu ?
[12:06] <[anders-mcafee] > andrek: is LimeWire (no idea what it is) running SUID as some other user?
[12:06] <venkman> i tried to send video=intelfb:1020x768-24@60 as a kernel parameter, but then when it goes to load the module it says "must specifiy mode at boot"
[12:06] <andrek> no - i'm running it as my own user
[12:06] <woodwizzle> Yeah, i'm totally baffled :(
[12:06] <gingermark> first time irc user here, just wondering if I could have a moment of someone's time? I've set up Totem and it plays DVDs, but I have several that have software included (such as PCFriendly DVD). When I click 'Play Disc' with these discs, the open file box opens instead. Anyone know a way to play these DVDs? I'm using Ubuntu 4.10 I believe. Cheers.
[12:06] <andrek> it is a gnutella client btw
[12:07] <Mestapheles> hhm rhythmbox can't open resource ofr writing, cause playback when attempting to play from hd
[12:07] <Mestapheles> oops
[12:07] <skraaningsulv> ehh guys.... where in linux can i find my second harddisk? i entered it in fstab and rebooted. but where can i explore it?
[12:07] <blahrus> skraaningsulv: where ever you told it to mount
[12:07] <andrek> skraaningsulv, where did you mount it?
[12:08] <Fuzz_> ug i keep getting errors
[12:08] <Fuzz_> make error 2
[12:08] <Rebroad> hrmph. xpilot-ng-sdl just gives a black window. :(
[12:08] <Xeon3D> I just installed TVTime... but it's not displaying the picture right... (you can tell it's getting a signal...)
[12:08] <skraaningsulv> ups
[12:09] <Xeon3D> (Using a ps2 and composite)
[12:09] <p|> re
[12:09] <p|> i have just recompiled kernel 2.6.11.0.2 (hoary) , now, my nvidia driver doesn't work anymore :-|
[12:10] <p|> what i have to do to fix this ?
[12:10] <Bazzi> I think there is no nvidia driver for 2.6.11 yet, is there?
[12:10] <skraaningsulv> i mounted it in / i guess
[12:11] <toresbe> hey guys
[12:11] <toresbe> I'm running the hoary livecd
[12:11] <p|> ops
[12:11] <p|> so i cannot switch to 2.6.11 for now
[12:11] <garrut> p|: reinstall the drivers
[12:11] <toresbe> p|: reinstall the driver
[12:12] <p|> gabaug, did you mean nvidia-glx ?
[12:12] <toresbe> If I restart X on the livecd, it reboots, right?
[12:12] <airmikey> hows ubuntu running on amd64 ?
[12:12] <p|> ops garrut , did you mean nvidia-glx ?
[12:12] <Xeon3D> how do I configure tvtime to my TVCard ? It's a Prolink PlayTV Pro :P
[12:12] <toresbe> airmikey: nicely, running it right now :)
[12:12] <airmikey> toresbe:yeah..hmm
[12:13] <gingermark> Hi, anyone got a sec for a noob (dumb question I know :-))
[12:13] <SpyD> Hi there :) Am I in the right place to ask Stunned questions about Ubuntu? <grin>
[12:13] <andrek> gingermark, just ask :)
[12:13] <jonathan_> p|: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=nvidia%20drivers
[12:13] <zenrox> SpyD,  yep
[12:14] <jonathan_> check that out.
[12:14] <p|> tnks
[12:14] <gingermark> I've set up Totem and it plays DVDs, but I have several that have software included (such as PCFriendly DVD). When I click 'Play Disc' with these discs, the open file box opens instead. Anyone know a way to play these DVDs? I'm using Ubuntu 4.10 I believe
[12:15] <andrek> what dvd plugin should i use?
[12:16] <p|> Note: requires linux-restricted modules >= 2.6.10.5-386 :-|
[12:16] <p|> so no way for now
[12:17] <p|> until there is a 2.6.11 versione available
[12:17] <andrek> what do i need to play dvd's in xine/mplayer?
[12:17] <gingermark> there's a section on playing dvds in the unnoficial guide
[12:17] <garrut> p|: you can just grab the drivers from nvidis's website
[12:18] <gingermark> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
[12:18] <gingermark> but I've been using Linux for two days now, so don't know if that's helpful
[12:19] <whiskers>     still running...how interesting...but the screen goes blank and requires a keyboard input...is there a way to avoid this
[12:19] <whiskers> i saw an article today about ubuntu on slashdot.
[12:19] <gingermark> Have any Totem experts entered the room since I last asked? :-)
[12:20] <SpyD> I have a new Ubuntu hoary 5.04 install on my laptop, when ubuntu boots, I hear a login sound, its neat<grin>.If I play an ogg it works fine. Then when I try and load an MP3 it wont play, saying I have no codec, when I try and install the codecs, it says they are already installed, then I tried the Hiah script and it also says I have the MP# components installed. I tried other MP3s, and both totem and music player to no avail. Any advice
[12:20] <SpyD> would be wonderful...(sorry so long)
[12:20] <whiskers> gingermark, i used it on gentoo some...but not an expert
[12:20] <gingermark> Hi whiskers
[12:20] <whiskers> SpyD, well i have some sample mp3s working here on hoary
[12:21] <gingermark> Basically, I've set up Totem and it plays DVDs, but I have several that have software included (such as PCFriendly DVD). When I click 'Play Disc' with these discs, the open file box opens instead.
[12:21] <p|> garrut, thanks, but i'll wait, i do not have haste :)
[12:21] <whiskers> SpyD, but they are only samples and i don't know if they are real mp3s
[12:21] <kkathman> SpyD what are you using to play the mp3?
[12:21] <gingermark> just tryin to figure how to play these kinds of DVDs
[12:21] <SpyD> kk- I tried totem and music player but come installed in default installation of hoary5.04
[12:21] <whiskers> gingermark, well i never saw that on gentoo...let me see if totem works on hoary
[12:22] <gingermark> thanx
[12:22] <whiskers> gingermark, i only have a couple dvds but i will try
[12:22] <SpyD> wiskers, i have lots of bonafide mp3s and they workffine everywhere, so i know its not the mp3 files unless its an issue reading them, but i tried the mp3 right off the ubuntu planey front page, no go
[12:22] <kkathman> SpyD read the wiki under Restricted Formats...it will tell you what you need to play them
[12:23] <whiskers> yes there is an error...says cannot find dvd://
[12:23] <SpyD> kk - Um, ok, thanks. im on it
[12:23] <kkathman> SpyD, I think the appropriate approach is to use Rhythmbox:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:23] <gingermark> I don't get that particular error, but I have to assume tis related...
[12:23] <SpyD> kk RB doesnt work either
[12:24] <whiskers> SpyD, well i have a  strange mp3 sample...it plays when you put the mouse on it
[12:24] <KriegGoD> what package contains the import command?
[12:24] <whiskers> SpyD, i don't know what kind of mp3 it is
[12:25] <KriegGoD> anyone know?..
[12:25] <sal002> anyone else rnning wine get a "cannot find wineboot" when installing winetools?
[12:25] <whiskers> SpyD, i see the problem with totem now
[12:25] <whiskers> SpyD, i have two dvds and it got confused
[12:25] <scorpix_> http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/33934/index.html
[12:26] <gingermark> Was SpyD asking about Totem too?
[12:26] <gingermark> sorry, missed that
[12:26] <LinuxSword> hu :P
[12:26] <whiskers> SpyD, nope it still says cannot read from source
[12:26] <LinuxSword> why isn't ubuntu equipped with a good c compiler?
[12:27] <whiskers> LinuxSword, it is ...you just have to install it
[12:27] <LinuxSword> how?
[12:27] <LinuxSword> and where to download :P
[12:27] <KriegGoD> nevermind i found it, ImageMagick
[12:28] <Burgundavia> LinuxSword: apt-get build-essential
[12:28] <LinuxSword> :o
[12:28] <LinuxSword> and now in good english?
[12:28] <LinuxSword> :P
[12:28] <Burgundavia> meta package for everything you need to build software
[12:28] <toresbe> man... Ubuntu hoary is *beautiful*
[12:28] <LinuxSword> ok..
[12:28] <SpyD> Whiskers: you are confusing me with someone else, Im trying to play Mp3s on anything, Ubuntu sorta comes off as being able to do this out of the box, I figured it was a licencing issue since ubuntu is free like debian, and expected a seperate add on, but I thought the HAIH script was supposed to cure it. It didnt, so I will try the reccomendations in the wikki on restricted formats.
[12:28] <whiskers> yes ok...totem definitely seems to have a problem
[12:29] <LinuxSword> well can i pm u?
[12:29] <whiskers> SpyD, well i don't have any real mp3 files...only a weird mp3 sample that plays when you put the mouse on it and stops playing when you move the mouse off it
[12:29] <fissy> there is a package that gets you *all* the gstreamer plugins so you can play any file format
[12:30] <Burgundavia> fissy: gstreamer-plugins
[12:30] <Burgundavia> in universe
[12:30] <SpyD> to Fissy: Oh?<spyd's head pops up>  Nice! THanks, Im on it...
[12:30] <jonathan_> SpyD
[12:30] <jonathan_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingCodecsToTotemHowTo/view?searchterm=totem%20plugins
[12:30] <whiskers> well i wonder if something is amiss in the totem config file
[12:31] <LinuxSword> burgun can i pm u with my error?
[12:31] <jonathan_> pay attention to the line about "gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg"
[12:31] <Burgundavia> linuxboy: sure
[12:31] <Burgundavia> LinuxSword: sure
[12:31] <SpyD> Johnathan-thanks :)
[12:32] <Xeon3D> I'm having problems with TVTime... I can barely see it's getting the signal as the image is all F*cked up. I'm using composite & a PS2.. :P
[12:32] <SpyD> \Johnathan: Ok I will thanks ;)
[12:32] <whiskers> say does anybody know where the totem config file is
[12:32] <gingermark> whiskers, I was looking for an official totem site just to see if this is a known bug, or a common problem, and if there was a solution there, but I can't seem to find it. DO you know if there is an official site?
[12:32] <ells> anyone here got dvd shrink to work in ubuntu
[12:33] <whiskers> gingermark, no...totem is a quite good player works very well on gentoo
[12:33] <whiskers> gingermark, i think it is just a config issue
[12:33] <jonathan_> whiskers, what is your problem?
[12:33] <whiskers> gingermark, or a permissions issue
[12:34] <whiskers> jonathaN, well it can't read from sources
[12:34] <Burgundavia> gingermark: they are moving the totem site over to gnome.org soon
[12:34] <gingermark> thanks
[12:34] <Burgundavia> gingermark: what is your problem? I missed it
[12:34] <ells> anyone have any luck getting dvd shrink functional in linux
[12:34] <gingermark> DVDs with extra date on them
[12:34] <gingermark> data
[12:34] <Burgundavia> hmm
[12:35] <Burgundavia> what sort of extra data?
[12:35] <gingermark> Basically I can't play a DVD which was packaged with PCFriendly DVD included on it
[12:35] <Burgundavia> ?
[12:35] <Burgundavia> that is a wierd bug
[12:35] <gingermark> I click Play Disc and it just opens the Open File box
[12:35] <gingermark> but works fine for other DVDs
[12:35] <ryman> anyone know why the sound isn't working for Ubuntu ?
[12:35] <ryman> hey Burgundavia
[12:36] <glev> hello
[12:36] <glev> parler vous francais
[12:36] <ells> anyone have any issues getting dvd shrink to work in linux, like lets say some ASPI error
[12:36] <glev> jai un problem
[12:36] <glev> le sav ma perdu mon hd
[12:37] <jonathan_> glev, if you can speak english, then speak english.
[12:37] <glev> no
[12:37] <chillywilly> yes
[12:37] <gingermark> he said something about losing his hard drive
[12:37] <chillywilly> damn froggies ;)
[12:37] <toresbe> yeah, I got that too
[12:37] <glev> i speak bad english
[12:37] <glev> sorry
[12:37] <gingermark> I dunno what 'le sav' means though
[12:37] <jonathan_> we speak worse french.
[12:37] <toresbe> glev: Better than our French :)
[12:37] <tritium> ells, hi ells
[12:38] <LinuxSword> *** exact error that occured. This usually means GLIB is incorrectly installed. <--- HELP MEH!? :P
[12:38] <ells> tritium: hey what is up Mike
[12:38] <toresbe> glev: We're used to bad English, sometimes we even use it. We'll du our best to help you :)
[12:38] <tritium> ells, taking care of my wife.  She's home sick today.
[12:38] <ells> tritium: lucky you
[12:38] <chris_d> glev: You've lost your hard disk?
[12:38] <glev> i no ubderstand
[12:38] <toresbe> glev: #ubuntu-fs
[12:38] <tritium> ells, uh, I guess
[12:38] <toresbe> glev: #ubuntu-fr *
[12:38] <ells> tritium: I would really like to be able to compress the dvd so I can copy the thing, any ideas
[12:38] <toresbe> glev: le.. assistance... du... eh... france est don le #ubuntu-fr
[12:39] <ells> tritium: I think I asked you before,didnt I
[12:39] <glev> soorry
[12:39] <tritium> ells, yeah, is it a data DVD, or a movie?
[12:39] <Sav> 'le sav'....
[12:39] <ells> tritium: movie
[12:39] <glev> i have mobile pc
[12:39] <ells> tritium: uncompressed, 8.5 gig
[12:39] <tritium> ells, and you looked at transcode?
[12:39] <LinuxSword> *** exact error that occured. This usually means GLIB is incorrectly installed. <--- HELP MEH, somebody!? :P
[12:39] <ells> tritium: not sure exactly how to use it
[12:39] <glev> my wartantly is chit
[12:40] <glev> my hdd is fuck
[12:40] <ells> tritium; you?
[12:40] <chillywilly> blah blah blah
[12:40] <tritium> ells, I've not used it, really
[12:40] <toresbe> glev: please go to #debian-fr
[12:40] <glev> ok
[12:40] <toresbe> :)
[12:40] <ells> tritium: I tried dvd shrink again, ,keep getting the ASPI error
[12:40] <toresbe> Does #ubuntu have a bot?
[12:40] <toresbe> !help
[12:41] <glev> #linux-be
[12:41] <Alessio> what do you think about simplemachines? for a forum..
[12:41] <toresbe> ~help
[12:41] <toresbe> @help
[12:41] <toresbe> hmm, we need a bot like #debian has
[12:41] <tritium> ells, look into dvdrip
[12:41] <ells> tritium: yeah, but it doesnt make the movies copyable to anothre dvd I think
[12:42] <tritium> ells, it should...it uses transcode
[12:42] <andrek> how do i add items to the applications menu?
[12:42] <ells> tritium: that is the one that makes it into an .avi right
[12:42] <Draal> Hello.. Installed mldonkey, right now am unable to get it to work. Any advice?
[12:43] <tritium> ells, transcode can convert into several formats
[12:43] <ells> tritium: I think that is the one for me, that would not let me compress on the fly
[12:43] <tritium> don't know
[12:43] <ells> tritium: yeah mIke, ,and when I went back had the issue of compression. will try again though
[12:43] <tritium> ells, ok
[12:44] <ells> tritium: see you in a bit Mike
[12:44] <tritium> ells, ok
[12:44] <SpyD> Jonathan, sorry but all my desktop appas crashed and I lost the Url, could you send it again? Sorry :(
[12:44] <gingermark> Draal, I had trouble with it too, but am now using aMule, but that's just for the eDonkey network. I take it you want to use all the other networks too?
[12:44] <Draal> ginermark: Yes.
[12:45] <gingermark> right, then I'm not helpful at all - sorry :-)
[12:45] <jonathan_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingCodecsToTotemHowTo/view?searchterm=totem%20plugins
[12:45] <Draal> Ah.. Well..
[12:45] <femv> people !
[12:46] <femv> having troubles installing ubuntu
[12:46] <femv> on my laptop
[12:47] <femv> the gurb is not loading , i tried with lilo ... same thing
[12:47] <gingermark> whiskers, ok if I PM you?
[12:47] <samspade> hello, i just installed the warty rc1... and i am in X
[12:47] <diego> femv: what does happen?
[12:48] <diego> samspade: i hope you mean hoary rc1
[12:48] <samspade> can anyone tell me howto start synaptic, because it does not seem to be instaled
[12:48] <samspade> diego, yeah, hoary rc1
[12:48] <john6000> what is this hoary and worty thing?
[12:48] <dieman> you know
[12:48] <john6000> i dont :(
[12:48] <Burgundavia> warty is the last stable release
[12:48] <diego> samspade: not in System->Administration->Synaptic Package Manager? run 'sudo synaptic' from the terminal
[12:48] <john6000> oh
[12:48] <dieman> itmight not be so good for the 'ubuntu cd detected' dialog to come up with an amd64 cd on a x86 system :)
[12:48] <femv> diego, it does install and when it reboots... it just freeze when it says grub loading stage 1.5
[12:48] <john6000> whats hoary then
[12:48] <Burgundavia> hoary is the development release, that is about to be released
[12:49] <john6000> oh
[12:49] <Burgundavia> this friday, if nothing goes sideways
[12:49] <libben> im starting to get pissed =) ... 2 whole days... trying to connect to an TLS encrypted ftp account... used Wine with flashfxp ( dident work cause i couldent register it so it would let me in ) and then we have kasablanca for kde, dident work... i have been able to connect to the site and get passed by the encryption... and voila im in.. but then i cant see any folders... no listning at all on his server.... anyone has any idea on why I wont
[12:49] <libben>  see his folders ?
[12:49] <samspade> Burgundavia, it tells me i am not in the sudoers list
[12:49] <Burgundavia> samspade: ?
[12:49] <diego> femv: weird, dunno what to tell you
[12:49] <Burgundavia> samspade: are you the 1st user of that machine?
[12:50] <whiskers> hmm...totem went nuts here...
[12:50] <samspade> Burgundavia, yes, i just installed it! i created 2 users, the root and then one user.
[12:50] <samspade> Burgundavia, but i get this - sp@linuxbase:~$ sudo synaptic
[12:50] <samspade> sp is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[12:50] <femv> diego, do u know how can i restore my mbr to winxp because now its not loading anything of course
[12:50] <gingermark> whiskers, how so?
[12:51] <Burgundavia> samspade: the root?
[12:51] <whiskers> gingermark, wow finally killed it
[12:51] <diego> femv: actually yeah...boot into the xp install disc, run the recovery console, run `fixmbr`
[12:51] <Burgundavia> samiam: the 1st user you create is not a root user in Ubuntu
[12:51] <Burgundavia> samspade: the 1st user you create is not a root user in Ubuntu
[12:51] <Burgundavia> samspade: it is in fact a regular user
[12:51] <whiskers> gingermark, i was trying my other dvd and it just went into a hang read mode
[12:51] <samspade> Burgundavia, no, i logged in as sp, the other non root user. how do i add myself to the sudo group?
[12:52] <Burgundavia> samspade: you need to login as as the user you created during installation
[12:52] <gingermark> whiskers, what kind if thing were you trying to do? You said something earlier about the config file?
[12:52] <femv> diego, gonna try that
[12:52] <diego> femv: good luck
[12:52] <samspade> Burgundavia, huh? i created this user during installation.
[12:53] <whiskers> gingermark, well i tell you...i wonder if it is just missing decss
[12:53] <Burgundavia> samspade: hmm. Then that might be a bug
[12:53] <Burgundavia> samspade: reboot into rescue mode (single user mode) and look at sudoers
[12:54] <czarina> d
[12:54] <whiskers> gingermark, on gentoo there is a libdecss but i don't see it in synaptic
[12:54] <Burgundavia> samspade: find out what user is mentioned there and login as them
[12:54] <libben> anyone uses wine and fxp in here?
[12:54] <Burgundavia> whiskers: is called libdvdcss2 in debian
[12:55] <gingermark> that's installed
[12:55] <whiskers> Burgundavia, dpkg does not show that file at all
[12:56] <whiskers> Burgundavia, perhaps it is another name
[12:57] <samspade> whiskers, goto ubuntuguide.org. it tells you to add a diff line in sources.list to get those things
[12:57] <whiskers> oh well i don't really care...i only have 2 dvds and i don't watch dvds at all
[12:57] <gingermark> whiskers, I got mine here: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
[12:57] <Burgundavia> whiskers: take a look at www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:57] <gingermark> whiskers, cheers for tryin
[12:57] <Brunellus> any fluxbox users out there?
[12:58] <diego> Brunellus: not a current one but i have in the past
[12:58] <gingermark> Anyone know if there is a Totem irc channel?
[12:58] <john6000> whats better in hoary that the isntin qorty?
[12:58] <Draal> Anyone have any luck with MLDONKEY?
[12:58] <LinuxSword> lo?
[12:58] <LinuxSword> *** exact error that occured. This usually means GLIB is incorrectly installed. <--- HELP MEH, somebody!? :P
[12:58] <czarina> where does ubuntu install its source files?
[12:58] <Brunellus> diego:  I'm having trouble making menus transparent
[12:59] <diego> Brunellus: i'm not your guy, i didn't even know that could be done. did you try #fluxbox?
[12:59] <IceMan3301> Hello everyone...  I am running Ubuntu 5.04.  How do I add an item to the "Applications" menu in Gnome?
[12:59] <john6000> drag em in
[12:59] <Brunellus> k.
[12:59] <hybrid> hell all my fellow ubuntites
[12:59] <Servo888> you go to hell
[12:59] <Servo888> just kidding ;-0
[12:59] <Sterno> Hi, I'm in the middle of a Ubuntu install right now (hoary).  I get a question to choose a kernel (I'm using the expert mode);
[12:59] <Sterno> 1. linux-amd64-generic
[12:59] <Sterno> 2. linux-image-amd64-generic
[12:59] <Sterno> 3. linux-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic
[12:59] <Sterno> What's the difference of these 3 kernels?
[12:59] <Servo888> hybrid, evening :-)
[01:00] <john6000> no 1
[01:00] <john6000> choose thAT
[01:00] <kent> IceMan3301, its not possible in Gnome 2.10. There is some menu-editors out there, but some are kind of buggy. :( Check the ubuntuforums, i have seen some talk about it there.
[01:00] <john6000> THE OTHERES ARTE IMGS
[01:00] <john6000> ok
[01:00] <LinuxSword> *** exact error that occured. This usually means GLIB is incorrectly installed. <--- HELP MEH, somebody!? :P
[01:01] <LinuxSword> where to get a good glib?
 Was your reply to use no 1, addressed to my question?
[01:02] <gingermark> Draal, you might want to look here: http://talk.trekweb.com/~jasonb/articles/mldonkey_linux.shtml   - I don't use MLDonkey, but there seems to be a fair bit of info there that could help. Hopefully :-)
[01:03] <whiskers> gingermark, ok ...well i guess it is just missing a file and i put the repositories in synaptic but dpkg does not find it
[01:03] <john6000> no
[01:03] <Draal> Thank. I'm about ready to try giFT
[01:03] <whiskers> gingermark, but i don't care because i don't watch dvd's
 no
[01:03] <gingermark> whiskers, thanks for the effort
[01:03] <whiskers> gingermark, i think everybody uses theora now
[01:03] <lokadin> say does anyone know how to mount a usb drive in ubuntu?
[01:04] <crimsun> insert it :)
[01:04] <LinuxSword> *** exact error that occured. This usually means GLIB is incorrectly installed. <--- HELP MEH, somebody!? :P
[01:04] <LinuxSword> where to get a good glib?
[01:04] <gingermark> ok, I'll have a search for Theora and check it out
[01:04] <libben> yeah =)
[01:04] <gingermark> cheers
[01:04] <diego> crimsun: if only that worked
[01:04] <blahrus> lokadin: type in demsg see what device it came in as
[01:04] <lokadin> crimsun: that don't owrk it doesn't detect it
[01:04] <lokadin> blahrus: does it support hotpluggin? or do you have to reset?
[01:04] <hybrid> well 4 days untill hoary official release? who all is here just for hoary?
[01:05] <john6000> <lokadin :mkdir /mnt/flash
[01:05] <blahrus> lokadin: it does support hotpluggin so you should be fine
[01:05] <crimsun> lokadin: using the pmount updated this morning?
[01:05] <john6000> mount /dev/*** /mnt/flash
[01:05] <john6000>  *** = whatever the flash drive is
[01:05] <crimsun> diego: hoary has very specific goals; it cannot possibly meet _every_ goal
[01:05] <john6000> nevermind
[01:05] <lokadin> crimsun: no installed new ubuntu version dono how to get usb drive to load
[01:05] <IceMan3301> dragging the apps to the applications menu doesn't seem to work
[01:05] <IceMan3301> Gnome places everything on the panel
[01:05] <crimsun> diego: hoary is definitely ready for release, but you're probably looking for breezy, not hoary
[01:06] <diego> crimsun: hoary is NOT ready for release
[01:06] <lokadin>  there any way to manually mount a usb stick drive?
[01:06] <crimsun> diego: what release goals have not been met?
 mkdir /mnt/flash
 mount /dev/*** /mnt/flash
 <lokadin :
 *** = whatever the flash drive is
[01:06] <LinuxSword> *** exact error that occured. This usually means GLIB is incorrectly installed. <--- HELP MEH, somebody!? :P
[01:06] <LinuxSword> *** exact error that occured. This usually means GLIB is incorrectly installed. <--- HELP MEH, somebody!? :P
[01:06] <hybrid> i am soo ready for breezy. anyone with me?
[01:06] <LinuxSword> where to get a good glib?
[01:06] <diego> crimsun: for me: hoary does not mount my usb disk half the time, hoary drops my network connection a couple times a day (known bug that could be fixed with an upstream update)
[01:06] <LinuxSword> oops ;)
[01:06] <lokadin> is there any way to manually mount a usb stick drive?
[01:06] <crimsun> LinuxSword: install libglib2.0-dev or libglib1.2-dev
[01:06] <diego> crimsun: to my knowledge, menu editing in hoary still sucks
[01:06] <crimsun> lokadin: use pmount
[01:07] <LinuxSword> where to get crimsun?
[01:07] <crimsun> diego: menu editing was removed.  That's not a goal.
[01:07] <Sterno> Hi, I'm in the middle of a Ubuntu install right now (hoary). I get a question to choose a kernel (I'm using the expert mode);
[01:07] <Sterno> 1. linux-amd64-generic
[01:07] <crimsun> diego: the removable device issue is problematic, I agree, but it's not a show-stopper
[01:07] <Sterno> 2. linux-image-amd64-generic
[01:07] <Sterno> 3. linux-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic
[01:07] <Sterno> What's the difference of these 3 kernels?  Which one is the most recent version?  Please, someone!  I spent hours earlier today, trying to figure out a RAID 1 setup (got it in the end :-).  But now, I have this issue, where I can't find any info, anywhere.
[01:07] <diego> crimsun: how is it not a showstopper?
[01:08] <lokadin> crimsun: pmount what? sorry it's just currently at my gf's house and i'm explaining over phone how to do it, she is trying to install modem drivers
[01:08] <crimsun> diego: an upstream update in main or in universe?
[01:08] <Draal> How do you set the search to look in all directories and filesystems?
[01:08] <crimsun> diego: because not everyone experiences the symptoms
[01:08] <diego> crimsun: a driver update (intel ipw2200)
[01:08] <blueyed> Sterno, I'd go with 1.
[01:08] <crimsun> lokadin: pmount /dev/sda1 foo
[01:08] <Sterno> ok.  Why?
[01:08] <lokadin> crimsun: /dev/sda1 don't exist
[01:08] <john6000> How do you set the search to look in all directories and filesystems? A: /
[01:08] <blueyed> don't know what image means.. :)
[01:09] <john6000> How do you set the search to look in all directories and filesystems? ANSER =
[01:09] <john6000> How do you set the search to look in all directories and filesystems? ANSER = /
[01:09] <crimsun> diego: known issue, can't be updated without rigourous testing and particularly not three days prior to release
[01:09] <Draal> John: When I do that, it just searches the / folder
[01:09] <crimsun> diego: what you want is breezy, not hoary
[01:09] <john6000> 1min
 I assume Imagekernel  means a pre-defined kernel?
[01:09] <john6000>  oh
[01:10] <crimsun> diego: it's unfortunate that some things don't work for you, but releases cannot be delayed inevitably (see Debian Sarge for a prime example)
[01:10] <Telep> Sterno: because no 1 will always depend on the latest one I guess
[01:10] <crimsun> lokadin: what device does it appear as?
[01:10] <lokadin> crimsun: that be the problem, it doesn't appear, its a sony network-walkman, but it works as a usb stick as well
[01:10] <diego> crimsun: don't you think if I, as one user running ubuntu on one machine, am experiencing those 2 problems, other users might have some of the issues also? if hoary was pushed back just a couple weeks, say middle of april, this stuff could be truly fixed. it's not my desire to run a development version, i want something stably stable.
[01:11] <crimsun> diego: and do you honestly think that two weeks will suffice?  I know from experience that time will not help here.
[01:12] <crimsun> lokadin: so according to dmesg, nothing is detected?
[01:12] <GhostFreeman> boring
[01:12] <robertj>  diego: if it's really a problem you need to find someone to supply a fix by Wed, otherwise, sorry.
[01:12] <GhostFreeman> call me when Hoary is stable
[01:12] <LinuxSword> how to install *.deb files in terminal?
[01:12] <LinuxSword> how to install *.deb files in terminal?
[01:12] <diego> crimsun: do you not realize how many packages are being uploaded these days? several each hour...
[01:12] <crimsun> diego: of course I realize.  I'm uploading some.
[01:13] <libben> and im downloading them =)
[01:13] <GhostFreeman> couldn't we release fixes as they become availiable, a la Gentoo?
[01:13] <libben> wtf.
[01:13] <diego> crimsun: i don't know what kind of quality we can expect out of these packages that have THREE DAYS of testing. i thought that's why there's a 6 MONTH development period
[01:13] <libben> updating same things twice this day
[01:13] <LinuxSword> how to install *.deb files in terminal?
[01:13] <yfir> LinuxSword: try: man dpkg
[01:13] <lokadin> crimsun: what am i supposed to see in dmesg?
[01:13] <crimsun> diego: my goal, however, is different.  I'm a universe maintainer, and we upload right up until release.  "main", however, is completely different.  One can't simply expect magical things to work for main packages that are updated.
[01:13] <LinuxSword> thx
[01:14] <crimsun> diego: the fixes in main packages are small, orthogonal, tested fixes.
[01:14] <Draal> Ginger: What p2p app do you use again?
[01:14] <crimsun> lokadin: anything resembling USB messages
[01:14] <diego> crimsun: it doesn't fix my shit...a couple months ago my usb disk worked fine and up to a few days ago my networking worked fine
[01:15] <diego> anyway, i have to eat dinner. bye
[01:15] <Draal> Are they still here? I guess not.
[01:15] <xophEr> LinuxSword, dpkg -i foo.deb
[01:15] <crimsun> Draal: doesn't appear so, no.
[01:15] <Draal> Crimsun: Have any luck getting p2p working under ubuntu?
[01:15] <crimsun> Draal: I've tried gtk-gnutella several times successfully, same for nicotine.
[01:16] <yfir> Draal: which p2p apps are you interested in using?
[01:16] <Draal> yfir: MLDonkey mainly.
[01:16] <Draal> I have not been able to get gtk-gnutella or mldonkey to work.
[01:16] <whiteknight> I've got waste working :)
[01:16] <yfir> Draal: i use nicotine, gtk-gnutella, and dcgui-qt all without a problem
[01:16] <Draal> gtk-gnutella doesn't want to work for me.
[01:17] <yfir> Draal: what sort of errors do you get?
[01:17] <Xeon3D> TVTime is showing up the picture in B&W...
[01:18] <yfir> Draal: can't help you with MLDonkey, I'm afraid
[01:18] <Draal> yfir: mldonkey refuses to start up and does not allow me to manually open the file (actually, the only files available are some config texts). gtk-gnutella just flashes a black bar onto my screen for about a second.
[01:18] <Xeon3D> I'm on Europe.. and I've got PAL-NC Selected as the TV Standard... al the others are garbled.
[01:18] <IceMan3301> Hello everyone...  I am running Ubuntu 5.04.  How do I add an item to the "Applications" menu in Gnome?
[01:18] <IceMan3301> Gnome places everything on the panel
[01:18] <IceMan3301> dragging the apps to the applications menu doesn't seem to work
[01:19] <yfir> IceMan: that feature was unfortunately left out of Gnome2.10. will be fixed soon,
[01:19] <beerockxs> ahhh, die alsa die
[01:19] <whiteknight> IceMan3301, from what I understand you can't
[01:19] <Xeon3D> IceMan3301: there's a gnome menu editor on www.ubuntuforums.org
[01:19] <yfir> Iceman: in the mean time, you can try a menu editor, but they are a bit funky
[01:19] <Xeon3D> true.
[01:19] <IceMan3301> That stinks (from the Gnome folks), but thanks, I'll try the menu editor
[01:19] <DoppelGanger> die cheap pci / onboard soundcards die
[01:19] <DoppelGanger> go alsa go
[01:19] <DoppelGanger> have some red bull
[01:19] <beerockxs> die xine die
[01:20] <beerockxs> speaker-test has all my speakers working fine
[01:20] <^Ocean^> hey whats the apt-get for xfree86
[01:20] <beerockxs> but they don't in xine
[01:20] <DoppelGanger> fly free xine and ogle
[01:20] <Draal> Nicotine doesn't care to work either.
[01:20] <DoppelGanger> fly free for he does not configure thee well
[01:20] <DoppelGanger> he can never be a master of the known universe
[01:20] <beerockxs> in xine i just get my front left speaker from the rear left, and the front left from rear right
[01:20] <beerockxs> nothing else.
[01:21] <beerockxs> if i set my speakersetup to 4 speakers or less, i get all speakers, but the rear speakers working fine
[01:21] <DoppelGanger> ahh thts nice
[01:21] <Draal> Oh well
[01:22] <beerockxs> and i can't get xmms to clone left and right to the rear speakers either
[01:23] <Draal> How do I enable the "Browser" for folders under Gnome/
[01:23] <Draal> ?
[01:23] <Burgundavia> Draal: nautilus-->settings always open in browser window
[01:23] <Burgundavia> sorry
[01:24] <Burgundavia> edit-->prefs
[01:24] <gfxstyler> hey there
[01:25] <Draal> Wheres the nautilus setting?
[01:25] <Dreamer3> crimsun: hey!
[01:25] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i still don't know if sound works (no speakers) but alsa 1.0.8 from source fixed gnome starting problem :)
[01:25] <^Ocean^> Okay, every time i try and Apt-get ANYTHING it says the package is unavaliable
[01:25] <Dreamer3> crimsun: thanks :)
[01:25] <Burgundavia> Draal: open any folder. Then edit-->prefs   behaviour  always opne in browser window
[01:26] <Draal> Thank you
[01:26] <Burgundavia> ^Ocean^: what do you mean?
[01:26] <LinuxJones> ^Ocean^, have you done apt-get update ?
[01:26] <^Ocean^> yeah
[01:26] <Burgundavia> ^Ocean^: did you follow the ubuntuguide?
[01:26] <LinuxJones> ^Ocean^, your repository list must be messed up
[01:26] <gfxstyler> did i already told u guys that windows xp sucks balls!! -.- f*ckin virus attacks! even with 2 firewalls and antivirus program i couldnt stop this shit!
[01:26] <Dreamer3> crimsun: thanks again!
[01:27] <Burgundavia> ubuntuguide.org/temp messes up your sources.list if you don't pay close attention to it
[01:28] <steve33> tritium: Mike, it is me. I am on two diff. computers
[01:28] <tritium> steve33, hi
[01:28] <^Ocean^> Okay whats the one to install XFree86 apt-get install xfree86 ?
[01:29] <LinuxJones> ^Ocean^, your repository list must be messed up
[01:29] <steve33> tritium: hey, transcode will make the dvd into an avi. can I play that on my home player, ya think
[01:29] <LinuxJones> ^Ocean^, sorry
[01:29] <^Ocean^> LinuxJones, okay, but what would the command be so i know atleast im trying to install the right package....
[01:29] <LinuxJones> ^Ocean^, the xserver si normally installed by default
[01:29] <^Ocean^> but when its not ?
[01:29] <LinuxJones> ^Ocean^, did you do a server install ?
[01:29] <beerockxs> wtf? If i doubleclick a .vob file, my surround speakers work. If i first open xine, and then open the .vob file, it doesn't
[01:30] <LinuxJones> ^Ocean^, sorry custom install
[01:30] <tritium> ells, probably not
[01:30] <^Ocean^> yes
[01:30] <LinuxJones> ^Ocean^, ok you want to install the gnome  desktop ?
[01:30] <^Ocean^> Yes
[01:30] <steve33> tritium: well, with transcode. it seems that is really the only format that it will copy too
[01:30] <LinuxJones> ^Ocean^, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:30] <tritium> steve33, no, it can do many others
[01:31] <LinuxJones> ^Ocean^, it's gonna be a big download :)
[01:31] <steve33> tritium: do you know how I can install those others. Mine only lists a few
[01:31] <^Ocean^> LinuxJones, Gives me Unmet dependances
[01:31] <EvilIdler> I'm trying to build transcode from the Marillat repository, via "apt-get -b source transcode". It's asking for libavcodeccvs-dev, though. Any other debs of transcode?
[01:31] <LinuxJones> ^Ocean^, your on hoary ?
[01:32] <^Ocean^> what ever came in the CD
[01:32] <tritium> steve33, looking at the Depends, it already does
[01:32] <LinuxJones> ^Ocean^, can you post the missing dependencies to www.pastebin.ca. , maybe it's nothing important
[01:32] <steve33> tritium: mine lists like three, I think
[01:33] <LinuxJones> ^Ocean^, or you can install the version on the cd
[01:33] <^Ocean^> i did a -f install
[01:33] <^Ocean^> and now its going
[01:33] <capi> hey
[01:33] <LinuxJones> ^Ocean^, let's hope it works :)
[01:33] <Anusien> I'm having a problem, I just booted Ubuntu off the latest live CD (I think it's the latest anyway), and it won't let me change resolution to anything better than 640x480
[01:34] <capi> Anusien there is a tutorial in the forums
[01:34] <steve33> tritium: which format is needed for the dvd to work
[01:34] <tritium> ells, I'm only seeing one, and it's in Marillat's repo
[01:34] <capi> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21984
[01:34] <Anusien> capi: hotness, I'll look
[01:35] <holycow> *hmmm* is the swap of the middle doubleclick and the left doubleclick button behavioiurs an ubuntu thing or a gnome 2.10 thing?
[01:35] <libben> Anusien, did u checked those checkboxes under installation about diffrent resolutions
[01:35] <tritium> steve33, mpeg2, and possibly vcd, depending on your player
[01:35] <gfxstyler> Anusien: vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf    u have to scroll a little and then u get a list of resolutions, there u can add ur desired one
[01:35] <mello> could someone walk me through installing windows media codes on hoary?
[01:35] <steve33> tritium: I know for certain in dvdrip, mpeg2 is not listed. vcdimager is installed
[01:35] <Anusien> But I have to say, it looks very nice.  Now to see if I can figure out how to get wireless support too.
[01:36] <tritium> steve33, I was referring to transcode
[01:36] <steve33> tritium: understand, in transcode, it is not a listed format to copy to
[01:36] <gfxstyler> mello: visit www.rpmseek.com or something like that and download w32codecs.deb and install them with dpkg -i w32codecs.deb
[01:36] <steve33> tritium; avi seems to be the only one I see
[01:36] <steve33> tritium: can check again though
[01:37] <satty> Please help.  I was moving some files and my file browser locked up.  I had to do a force quit and now that folder is gone.
[01:37] <nullset> l
[01:38] <steve33> tritium: AVI is sort of hightlighted, and MPEG, and OGG is greyed out
[01:38] <steve33> tritium: are talking about the video codecs
[01:38] <tritium> steve33, man transcode shows that it supports a lot more
[01:38] <steve33> tritium: are talking about the video codecs
[01:38] <dataw0lf> ok, so because of Hoary (and the packaged esd) I can't seem to get sound working with bzflag.  Anyone have any tips?
[01:38] <mello> gfxstyler: is that all i need to do?
[01:40] <steve33> tritium: if I click on on the ffmpeg codec it lists mpeg4 below it
[01:40] <Xeon3D> How do I make a module load with specific options on every reboot? I've already been told about /etc/modules.conf, but ubuntu hasn't got that file.
[01:40] <Anusien> real quick, because I forgot.  What are the keyboard shortcuts to the different desktops?
[01:40] <gfxstyler> mello: that should install the w32 codecs
[01:41] <satty> Anybody know how to recover a lost folder?
[01:41] <yfir> Anusien: if you mean VTs, they are ctr-alt-F1, F2 etc
[01:41] <Xeon3D> dataw0lf: killall esd
[01:41] <dataw0lf> Xeon3D: *boggle* There's no way around getting bzflag to use esd?
[01:42] <yfir> Anusien: if you mean gnome workspaces... I can't remember, I set my own
[01:42] <mcphail> Anusien: you'll need to set your own keys in GNOME
[01:42] <Anusien> ah.  thanks.  KDE came pre-set.  anyway, out to eat, thanks for the help.
[01:42] <Xeon3D> dataw0lf: ... don't think so...
[01:43] <dataw0lf> Xeon3D: eh, ok.
[01:43] <blueyed> is it possible to redirect output to cliboard? like cat /proc/cpuinfo > /dev/clp ?
[01:43] <capi> Anyone know how to change the console screen resolution? What file would it be in?
[01:44] <Rols> Hiya Folks.
[01:44] <Xeon3D> how does one load up modules with specific options?
[01:45] <phobosanger> hello
[01:46] <Anusien> howdy
[01:46] <phobosanger> does any one here know about KaZaa/eXeem like program ?
[01:46] <tritium> Xeon3D, you can specify module parameters in /etc/modules
[01:46] <gfxstyler> phobosanger: bittorrent?
[01:46] <Xeon3D> so.. if I want to load up bttv using card=16 what line should I add?
[01:47] <satty> Anyone know of a good data recovery software for linux?
[01:47] <phobosanger> yeah but i don't have any were to get torrents =\ gfxstyler
[01:47] <Rols> I'm fairly green about this whole linux thing.  Found out about Ubuntu and downloading it now.
[01:47] <tritium> Xeon3D, just add the module parameters after the module name
[01:47] <Rols> Will this Distro support the older hardware?
[01:48] <warty_> HOLA
[01:48] <warty_> ALGUIEN HABLA ESPANOL
[01:48] <warty_> ??
[01:49] <tritium> warty_, #ubuntu-es
[01:49] <phobosanger> http://img154.exs.cx/img154/245/snapshot77xg.jpg
[01:50] <SpyD> Hmm, anyoen know how to add  a *NEW* reporitory to synaptic in hoary, there seems to be no NEW button as mentioned in the howto <Smack me if im out to lunch *grin*)
[01:50] <Brunellus> warty_, yo si te puedo hablar, que necessitas?
[01:50] <jonathan_> there is an Add button
[01:51] <neo_> Can someone answer a question about kernel compile/install on warty?
[01:52] <SpyD> I see the add button, but it only allows adding existing, I want to add MARILLAT so must i then edit the source.list manually?
[01:52] <Brunellus> SpyD:  how do you mean "only allows existing"?
[01:53] <libben> alots of updates =)
[01:54] <libben> all the time =)
[01:54] <jonathan_> SpyD: It should have a "custom" button at the bottom of the add dialog.
[01:54] <libben> third time i download updates this day
[01:54] <Brunellus> SpyD:  you should see a button that says "new"
[01:54] <Brunellus> then type in the address of the repository you need.
[01:54] <SpyD> DUH! (smacks forhead, of course - CUSTOM, sorry, was looking for new LOL)
[01:56] <warty_> hola
[01:56] <warty_> gracias
[01:56] <bumperland> has anyone found a pod cast program that works in hoary ?
[01:56] <warty_> lo que pasa es qe instale ubuntu
[01:56] <libben> english plz=)
[01:56] <warty_> y la particion fat 32 no me la detecta
[01:56] <Burgundavia> warty_: #ubuntu-es
[01:56] <whiskers> satty, i use partimage...it is fantastic on gentoo
[01:57] <whiskers> and you can recover your hard drive crashes quickly
[01:57] <warty_> brunellus
[01:57] <Brunellus> warty_:  no te la detecta de ninguna manera?
[01:57] <whiskers> but i did not feel like reinstalling all that gentoo stuff...since it was about 80 gigs to install and i now only have about a 40gig hard drive
[01:57] <satty> whiskers: thanks, I am looking at Midnight Commander right now.  Lost a folder with 2000+ .ogg files
[01:57] <Brunellus> especificaste un 'mount point' para ella durante la installacion?
[01:58] <capi> I'm on hoary and am getting a dependancy problem with MySQL. It can't find the package libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 ? Any help or ideas?
[01:58] <libben> I still search for ppl who used fxp with wine... i wanna know how they got rid of the register function.... cause i have it register on windows partition.
[01:59] <warty_> lo qe hice fue instalar linux en una particion dentro de mi disco duro. ya quen el 1er disco por asi decirlo esta windows con ntfs
[01:59] <whiskers> you see what bothers me most about gentoo is that the installation is about 80 gigs and it takes months to install whereas ubuntu only takes about 30 minutes
[01:59] <warty_> con ese no tuve ningun problema en poder leerlo y modificarlo
[01:59] <Burgundavia> warty_, Brunellus: would you mind going to #ubuntu-es?
[01:59] <warty_> pero el fat32 en donde tengo todo mi respaldo no lo toma en cuenta
[02:00] <capi> Anyone run into simmilar problems with MySQL?
[02:00] <Brunellus> warty_:  preguntales en #ubuntu-es....
[02:00] <Burgundavia> Brunellus: thank you
[02:00] <Brunellus> hace tiempo que no trabajo con particiones fat32.
[02:00] <warty_> ohh.. brunellus
[02:00] <Brunellus> Sorry Burgundavia.  didn't know there was a spanish IRC channel.
[02:01] <warty_> tu conoces alguna pagina qe tenga una guia buena
[02:01] <whiskers> and also an 80gig gentoo installation will not fit on a 40gig hard drive
[02:01] <warty_> aparte de la que sale en www.ubuntu.cl
[02:01] <Burgundavia> Brunellus: np
[02:01] <Brunellus> que sea en espanol?  no.  pero seguro los que esten en #ubuntu-es te podran ayudar.
[02:01] <warty_> algun blog
[02:01] <warty_> como me conecto con ellos??
[02:01] <whiskers> where did you get 2000 ogg files?
[02:02] <Brunellus> warty_ : asi:  ' /join #ubuntu-es
[02:02] <Brunellus> es el canal de ubuntu en espanol;  aqui es el de ingles.
[02:02] <warty_> ahhh...
[02:02] <Draal> Hello.. Just downloaded the Ubuntu version of BittConjurer and was wondering how do I access it?
[02:02] <warty_> sorrryy y muchas gracias
[02:02] <Brunellus> we might think about specifying languages in the MOTD, or somewhere int eh ubuntu forums
[02:03] <satty> Years of ripping CD's to my harddrive.  And just like that the folder dissappeared.
[02:03] <Burgundavia> Brunellus: good idea
[02:03] <whiskers> satty, well your folder may have disappeared but your files may still be around
[02:03] <Draal> How do I access the Bittorrent utility now?
[02:03] <Burgundavia> Draal: what format was the download in?
[02:03] <Burgundavia> Draal: have installed it?
[02:03] <Draal> I downloaded it through Synaptic
[02:03] <Burgundavia> ah
[02:03] <Burgundavia> ok
[02:03] <Draal> And its installed
[02:03] <satty> whiskers: enlighten me please
[02:03] <Burgundavia> look under the internet menu
[02:03] <Burgundavia> if it is not there
[02:03] <Draal> Well.. Erm... Where is it?
[02:04] <Burgundavia> applications-->internet
[02:04] <Burgundavia> it may be there
[02:04] <whiskers> satty, don't feel bad...i lost a whole years' work on gentoo because of a bad hard drive
[02:04] <Draal> Its not there. Do I need to relog?
[02:04] <capi> Anyone know where to find libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 ?
[02:04] <whiskers> satty, well where was the folder initially
[02:05] <Burgundavia> Draal: try that, and if it is not there, then you can run it from Run Application
[02:05] <satty> on /dev/hdb1 on my filesystem /2ndHD
[02:05] <whiskers> satty, ok do you have it mounted now
[02:05] <satty> whiskers: yes other folders are still there.  Just not my one folder
[02:05] <libben> when i just did sudo nvidia-glx-config enable... i got error... because ive altered the xorg.conf before... but I shouldent have to do anything new with xorg.conf? and the error mess is harmless, cause i allready have done nvidiglxconfig enable earlier with a previous version and its still the same value in there?
[02:06] <whiskers> satty, are you sure you did not move or rename the folder
[02:06] <whiskers> satty, do an ls on the mount point and see what is there
[02:07] <satty> whiskers: nothing is there... maybe there is hope after all
[02:08] <mmcat> Howdy...I need some help loading Ubuntu...any offers?
[02:08] <satty> whiskers: who is your favorite band?
[02:08] <diego> mmcat: just ask specific questions and you'll get answers
[02:08] <whiskers> satty, if nothing is there are you sure you mounted it
[02:09] <whiskers> try mount -t reiser4 /dev/hdb2 /media/hd2
[02:09] <satty> whiskers: it got unmounted.  I just had to remount the baby and "wa la"
[02:09] <mmcat> When it's starting I get the message: video mode not supported.  any suggestions?  I have a Dell 19" UltraSharp monitor, and I think I need to use xvrefresh=75, xhrefresh-60
[02:09] <whiskers> satty, ok do an ls at the mount point and see what is there
[02:10] <satty> whiskers: thanks I am good to go now.  It is mounted and I back in business
[02:10] <satty> whiskers: so how can I repay you?
[02:10] <nydust> how can i see that my 3d drivers for my ati are correct installed?
[02:10] <whiskers> satty, ok fine...glad to hear you are ok...but i still lost a whole years work
[02:10] <diego> mmcat: when it says "boot:" rather than hitting enter, press the F1-F6? keys for help with how to set different video modes
[02:11] <cartel_> nydust: flgrxinfo
[02:11] <whiskers> satty, oh well..cest la vie....well just start over and see how this hoary does.
[02:11] <nydust> CarlK, command not found
[02:12] <mmcat> diego: I'm using the Grub boot loader...when I tell it to boot to Ubuntu it doesn't give me any options.
[02:12] <diego> mmcat: oh sorry, i thought you were booting the install disc.
[02:12] <nydust> cartel_, i dont have it... but i have installed the flgrx pac's
[02:12] <cartel_> nydust: you should have fglrxinfo..
[02:12] <mmcat> just starts loading the program very quickly.
[02:13] <diego> mmcat: if you press escape, the grub menu should come up, then you should be able to edit your kernel options by pressing 'e', then press 'b' to boot
[02:13] <mmcat> diego: while it's asking me which OS I want to boot?
[02:13] <diego> mmcat: yeah
[02:13] <nydust> cartel_,  i found it.. Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[02:13] <nydust> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[02:13] <nydust> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[02:13] <nydust> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[02:13] <nydust> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.2.1)
[02:13] <nydust> ups'
[02:13] <DangerousBanger> does someone here use nicotine?
[02:13] <nydust> sorry
[02:13] <jonathan_> i quit
[02:14] <PacoBCN> DangerousBanger, I used to.
[02:14] <phobosanger> yeah DangerousBanger
[02:14] <SpyD> Quit last weeek (sorry had to say it)
[02:14] <mmcat> what exactly do I edit?
[02:14] <PacoBCN> DangerousBanger, it's nice but too slow
[02:14] <DangerousBanger> how did you install ?
[02:14] <diego> mmcat: probably the vga= option, let me look that up 1 sec
[02:14] <cartel_> nydust: are you using xinerama?
[02:14] <phobosanger> what    do uy use ? PacoBCN
[02:14] <PacoBCN> DangerousBanger, from apt
[02:14] <mmcat> k, thanks a bunch.
[02:14] <DangerousBanger> I can install but I can't run
[02:14] <jonathan_> Peer pressure.
[02:14] <cartel_> nydust: have you set your driver fglrx in xorg.conf?
[02:14] <PacoBCN> phobosanger, that's why I dont use it anymore
[02:15] <DangerousBanger> when i run it shows an error... :(
[02:15] <phobosanger> PacoBCN,  yeah but what do u  use instend ?
[02:15] <airmikey> in my screen resolution preferences it only goes up to 1024x768
[02:15] <cartel_> nydust: and also set in xorg.conf:        Option          "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"
[02:15] <cartel_> nydust: and also in /etc/modules, make sure your agpgart is loaded before fglrx..
[02:15] <PacoBCN> phobosanger, amule
[02:16] <nydust> cartel_, i have just used synaptic and installed them
[02:16] <diego> mmcat: see the first table on here: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=10
[02:16] <phobosanger> PacoBCN,  well u don't have any more slow then that !!!
[02:16] <libben> how do u know if something is installed when u use apt-cache search name
[02:16] <libben> how do i know that its allready installed
[02:16] <cartel_> nydust, ok first thing to do is change driver in xorg.conf from ati to fglrx
[02:16] <PacoBCN> phobosanger, you can't compare
[02:16] <diego> mmcat: those numbers are what you put next to vga= i think, if you scroll down the page it should explain how to use them
[02:16] <PacoBCN> phobosanger, I hate to stay in line for things
[02:16] <cartel_> and under that device section put        Option          "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"
[02:16] <phobosanger> what  do u mean PacoBCN
[02:16] <mmcat> k, looking...
[02:17] <phobosanger> well on amule u do that for sure PacoBCN
[02:17] <diego> mmcat: yeah, the usage is explained right after "Code Listing 4"
[02:17] <PacoBCN> phobosanger, not really, I download a lot!
[02:17] <phobosanger> me toooooooo
[02:17] <PacoBCN> phobosanger, well, soul seek is ok for chatting with mates who share same taste
[02:17] <phobosanger> PacoBCN,  and there is nothingy like kazaa or exeem
[02:18] <PacoBCN> phobosanger, sure there is
[02:18] <phobosanger> and bittorrent =\
[02:18] <phobosanger> i m listing  :) pac
[02:18] <phobosanger> PacoBCN,
[02:19] <capi> Has anyone gotten mysql working through apt on Hoary, I'm getting dependency problems. :(
[02:19] <PacoBCN> phobosanger, well, for music I surely prefer amule, which is really fast to me and yes, torrent is great for games
[02:19] <mmcat> diego: will that tell it what vertical and horizontal frequencies to use?
[02:19] <satty> PacoBCN: limewire works
[02:19] <PacoBCN> satty, true, but I'm not a big fan of having many java apps running
[02:19] <PacoBCN> satty, I prefer gnutella-gtk
[02:20] <mmcat> yeo
[02:20] <capi> anyone?
[02:20] <diego> mmcat: don't think so. your frequencies sound pretty normal to me :/
[02:21] <mmcat> ok, thanks for the help.  I'll go try it out, and get back to ya.  Appreciate it.
[02:21] <diego> capi: i have mysql installed on hoary
[02:21] <diego> mmcat: hope it works
[02:21] <mmcat> me too.  Have a good night.
[02:22] <libben> why cant i find libdvdcss or w32codecs when i search for them... ? i have added multi and uni from synaptic menu
[02:22] <diego> capi: 4.1.10a on hoary is working fine for me
[02:22] <diego> libben: have you done a "Reload" on synaptic
[02:22] <awb4422> i have spdif out for my soundcard, but unsure of how to get sound working through it. I've been googling, but haven't turned up anything relevant besides laptop compatibility w/ ubuntu
[02:22] <awb4422> any tips?
[02:22] <capi> hmm...
[02:22] <capi> you got that off of a fresh install?
[02:23] <libben> diego, like 4 times a day. so yes =)
[02:23] <diego> capi: negative, this install was originally warty
[02:23] <capi> ah, you most likely got the packages I'm missing from warty.
[02:23] <diego> libben: maybe you want the marillat repos?
[02:24] <libben> what is marillat repos ? and is it good for the horay?
[02:24] <diego> libben: multimedia stuff...good for anything i think
[02:24] <SiRrUs> good evening
[02:24] <diego> libben: see ubuntuguide.org (geared towards warty but whatever)
[02:25] <whiskers> libben, yes i ran into the same problem here
[02:25] <fr3kysnail> i'm new to linux, and new to ubuntu... i'm looking to do an install in the next 1hr or so........
[02:25] <whiskers> libben, i don't worry about it
[02:25] <diego> fr3kysnail: good luck :)
[02:25] <fr3kysnail> how do i set up my speedtouch usb 330 modem, and what about a firewall?
[02:25] <libben> http://www.pastebin.com/267236
[02:25] <libben> thats my sources.list ?
[02:25] <libben> lol
[02:25] <libben> remove the ? =)
[02:25] <libben> thats my sources.list =) do i miss anything ?
[02:26] <diego> libben: my libdvdcss2 is coming from marillat, i dunno
[02:26] <whiskers> libben, well i can tell you multiverse universe still does not find the css files totem needs
[02:26] <whiskers> libben, so i just don't worry about it
[02:26] <libben> whiskers, what do u want with totem? totem-xine?
[02:26] <diego> fr3kysnail: what kind of modem is it?
[02:26] <whiskers> libben, if i wanted all that jazz again...i would just rebuild gentoo
[02:26] <diego> fr3kysnail: dsl? cable? dial-up? etc
[02:26] <fr3kysnail> speedtouch thomson 330 usb
[02:27] <whiskers> libben, but i don't care about all that stuff
[02:27] <fr3kysnail> dsl
[02:27] <fr3kysnail> adsl
[02:27] <diego> fr3kysnail: must you connect through usb? heh
[02:27] <fr3kysnail> yep
[02:27] <tork> How do I obtain an ubuntu install disk with a different kernel?
[02:28] <libben> I care for one thing ... and this is a real bitch... getting a ftp client with GUI and support TLS.... think ive been moaning about it for 2 days now =).... ive tryed wine and flashfxp.. but i couldent get by the trial date on it.. and i have it regged on XP part =) grrr...
[02:28] <SiRrUs> tork what kernel are you looking for
[02:28] <libben> but that wont help for xine.. it wont detect that its regged in windows =)
[02:28] <airmikey> how do i change the sreen resolution,because in the settings it only lets me go to 1024
[02:29] <libben> airmikey, do u have nvidia card?
[02:29] <airmikey> no
[02:29] <libben> ok.. =) well.. anyway ... sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:29] <jbm__> airmikey, edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf find the place where it lists the available resolutions and put your new one at the start then restart X
[02:29] <tork> SiRrUs: 2.6.11.3, 2.6.12-rc1 or anything newer....
[02:29] <libben> and add some more resolutions to the lines in the middle there
[02:29] <Draal> I installed Bittorent through Synaptic. I just restarted and it doesn't list the program. How do I access it?
[02:30] <airmikey> what ?
[02:30] <airmikey> my goodness
[02:30] <robertj> Draal: are you sure the gui frontend is packaged in with bittorrent?
[02:30] <Telep> they're separate packages
[02:30] <Draal> Robertj: Its the "Ubuntu" Bittorrent package.
[02:30] <Draal> I assumed it was.
[02:31] <robertj> Draal: nope
[02:31] <Draal> Theres no GUI available.
[02:31] <Telep> only the gnome bittorrent -software ends up in the menu
[02:32] <SiRrUs> tork I believe Hpary only comes with 2.6.10
[02:32] <SiRrUs> oops Hoary
[02:32] <Telep> bittorrent-gui is a different app, which is accessible with "btdownloadgui"
[02:32] <speel> hey does any one here have a ipod shuffle?
[02:33] <jbm__> anyone here get native ATI drivers going in hoary x86_64, after i updated to k8 kernel (non-generic) and apt-get fglrx friver X freezes on boot.
[02:33] <jbm__> speel, yes
[02:33] <speel> works good with ubuntu?
[02:33] <tahorg> SiRrUs: ii  linux-image-2.6.11-1-686  2.6.11-0.2
[02:33] <tahorg> SiRrUs: (2.6.11 too)
[02:33] <Telep> Draal: in other words, you need to install the package "bittorrent-gui" and the executable is "btdownloadgui", which will not show up in your menu.
[02:33] <SiRrUs> tahorg have you tried them
[02:34] <jbm__> speel, i havent used gnupod or anything, just used it as USB drive in ubuntu and it worked fine
[02:34] <HappyPills> I'm having issues with the ubuntu tun module... it says it installs perfectly but never shows up via ifconfig -a
[02:34] <tahorg> SiRrUs: only one version, not really good on my centrino laptop
[02:34] <speel> ah ok so when you plug it in as a usb drive and you drag and drop a mp3 into it, it will play?
[02:34] <tork> SiRrUs, this kernel has been acting up badly for me... Random oops, kernel panics, etc. I think it may have something to do with my SATA setup... I'm going to try 4.10...
[02:35] <jbm__> speel no, you cant even do that in windows with it
[02:35] <GuBA> hello i need information about Ubuntu 5.04 Final ...
[02:35] <speel> crap lol
[02:35] <jbm__> speel, you need gnupod to fake the apple database so that it plays
[02:35] <jbm__> speel, or itunes for linux
[02:35] <SiRrUs> tork warty might be worse
[02:35] <speel> lol itunes for linux? never
[02:35] <hybrid> apple hates linux
[02:36] <hybrid> no apple software has a linux d/l
[02:36] <jbm__> speel, ya so sad... maybe one day... thats what they said about windows too "when hell freezes over"
[02:36] <cartel_> almost as much as they hate freebsd
[02:36] <cartel_> apple is gay
[02:36] <speel> lol
[02:36] <cartel_> im gonna buy a neuros
[02:37] <cartel_> apple superiority is a group hallucination
[02:37] <Burgundavia> cartel_: please refrain from using gay as an adjective here please
[02:37] <jbm__> cartel_ you know apple uses freeBSD in its OS right?
[02:37] <cartel_> sorry let me rephrase
[02:37] <cartel_> apple is shit
[02:37] <cartel_> jbm yes i do
[02:37] <cartel_> a convenient excuse
[02:37] <Burgundavia> cartel_: that isn't kosher either
[02:37] <jbm__> rofl
[02:37] <hybrid> cartel_ apple software sux but the hardware is awesome << ubuntu on ibook g3
[02:37] <whiskers> oh i was in the wrong channel...what i was saying is that there is lots of basic stuff for ubuntu already...
[02:37] <robertj> hybrid: OS X has some really good bits too
[02:37] <cartel_> sorry thats freebsds problem not ours, now go away
[02:37] <whiskers> no real need for all that specialized gentoo stuff
[02:38] <cartel_> robertj, and a bunch of other stuff that doesnt work at all
[02:38] <HappyPills> I do like the expose software though...
[02:38] <cartel_> hybrid yea
[02:38] <whiskers> even blender seems to work on hoary...but no one knows how to use it
[02:38] <robertj> cartel: what doesn't work at all?
[02:38] <cartel_> because apple hardware isnt apple, its ibm :)
[02:38] <Burgundavia> no
[02:38] <cartel_> robertj: advanced networking
[02:38] <hybrid> jbm__ yes they do and bsd liscence doesnt protect it. anyone can use it and do w/e with it even make it closed source(al a M$) but gpl makes the code always open
[02:38] <Burgundavia> apple's chip is ibm
[02:38] <robertj> someone needs to do a gtk frontend so they can call it Gnomes in a Blender
[02:38] <cartel_> and mainboard
[02:38] <Burgundavia> the overall package is apple engineers
[02:38] <hybrid> robertj: what do you mean
[02:38] <hybrid> ?
[02:38] <jbm__> does anyone know if the ubuntu xorg-fglrx-driver is compatible with x86_64 kernel or do i need to get the latest driver from ATI myself?
[02:38] <robertj> cartel: like?
[02:39] <cartel_> robertj: try and define a static route
[02:39] <cartel_> hell that isnt even advanced, thats BASIC routing
[02:39] <robertj> hybrid: Gnome's Directory Services are worth taking a look at
[02:39] <cartel_> robertj: do you own an apple?
[02:40] <hybrid> osX sux
[02:40] <cartel_> burgundia: apple is... crap? is that ok? is there a list of allowed/dissalowed words and phrases for this chan?
[02:40] <cartel_> hybrid: its bubble wrap
[02:40] <hybrid> robertj: why do you say that
[02:40] <hybrid> ?
[02:40] <hybrid> yup
[02:40] <robertj> cartel: no, but I have an iBook from work and a dual 2.5 on order
[02:40] <cartel_> robertj: that explains it :) you are part of the hallucination
[02:40] <Burgundavia> cartel_: please read the ubuntu Coc of conduct. Generally there is no list. Just remember the channels primary focus, dicussing and help about Ubuntu
[02:40] <cartel_> dont worry, i dont hold it against you
[02:40] <robertj> hybrid: Does pretty good with AD integration via samba, kerberized services are coming along, etc
[02:41] <etzerd> Hello room
[02:41] <robertj> cartel: they pay me to do it
[02:41] <Burgundavia> salut etzerd
[02:41] <cartel_> robertj: samba and ad integration is atrocious.
[02:41] <hybrid> the terminal looks like it is goin like dos dead. that why i got ubuntu i gave me POWER
[02:41] <etzerd> Salut, Burgundavia
[02:41] <jbm__> Burgundavia, do you know if there is a ubuntu x86_64 room around here?
[02:41] <hybrid> ubuntu is awesome
[02:41] <tahorg> *easy troll detected*
[02:41] <etzerd> Mais tu parles francais?
[02:41] <Aghaster> moi je parles francais
[02:41] <tahorg> parle
[02:41] <robertj> but my experience with apple hardware has been the pits
[02:41] <tahorg> sans s
[02:42] <Aghaster> ah
[02:42] <Burgundavia> jbm__: nope. You might want to ask again regarding the driver issue
[02:42] <Aghaster> c vrai
[02:42] <hybrid> robertj: are you goin to install ubuntu on that mac
[02:42] <Aghaster> ben tu check cmt tcris toi?
[02:42] <robertj> hybrid: on the dual 2.5, you betcha
[02:42] <tahorg> Aghaster: bien sr
[02:42] <hybrid> sweet
[02:42] <Burgundavia> tahorg, Aghaster: please use #ubuntu-fr
[02:42] <etzerd> Wow, je suis vraiemnt etonne
[02:42] <Aghaster> jvx dire, sur le chat
[02:42] <jbm__> ok thanks, ill just do it myself with ATI package
[02:42] <lumberjack> hey folks
[02:42] <etzerd> pas mal d'entre nous ici parle francais
[02:42] <robertj> the first thing I do will be to clone the hard drive, repartition the disk, put the disk image back with Carbon Copy Cloner, and install Hoary
[02:43] <Aghaster> etzerd : its still not a reason to defy autority to speak french
[02:43] <hybrid> robertj: i called apple support one day about a logic board. i told him i had linux on there and he was shocked then i said oh yea i am only 14:P
[02:43] <robertj> (or Breezy if I have no self-control)
[02:43] <libben> it takes a real long time to configuring network interface on boot up.... I have 3 network faces.... now only one is activated.... what happends if i aply the disable network face patch... will i not be able to get online when i hit gnome later?
[02:43] <cartel_> Burgundavia: you meant to say expletive before surely
[02:43] <whiskers> robertj, why not partimage..it is free software
[02:43] <cartel_> hybrid: applecare is shit
[02:43] <cartel_> oops sorry
[02:43] <lumberjack> think any of you could give me a hand?
[02:43] <Burgundavia> cartel_: expletives are not the only thing that should be avoided here.
[02:43] <cartel_> applecare is less than helpful
[02:43] <libben> anyone on my Q ^^ ?
[02:43] <robertj> hybrid: the calls I make are because the logic boards are dieing left and right on the G5s and iBooks
[02:43] <lumberjack> im new to linux, trying to get my ATI drivers installed for my 9800
[02:43] <hybrid> Aghaster: you can speak what ever in here this is linux for every1
[02:44] <whiskers> lumberjack, well i have an ati9200 which worked ok
[02:44] <hybrid> cartel_ they fixed my logic board for free and paid for shippin
[02:44] <etzerd> pour vous qui parle francais, comment tu consider ubuntu? Est ce que ubuntu est l'un des meilleur distro?
[02:44] <robertj> whiskers: because last time I tried partimage it didn't work for cloning an NT partition and because Carbon Copy Cloner works with a nice pretty gui that I can use over remote desktop
[02:44] <Aghaster> ah, i'm used to english ppl who get upset when another language is spoken
[02:44] <PecK> etzerd, la meilleure :))
[02:44] <robertj> etzerd: #ubuntu-fr?
[02:44] <cartel_> robertj: i was called in as contractor for a company who made the mistake of buying a bunch of xserves then discovering they dont support static routing
[02:44] <whiskers> robertj, hmm..it should work...did you boot into the rescue cd
[02:44] <Burgundavia> Aghaster, etzerd: I am not upset you are speaking French, I am merely asking that you keep it to English here
[02:45] <libben> Aghaster, fattar inte vad du menar... men ta det lugnt,... alla pratar engelska i sverige...
[02:45] <Anusien> How nicely does Ubuntu play with wireless?
[02:45] <etzerd> OK
[02:45] <libben> Anusien,  real nice
[02:45] <robertj> whiskers: I used a knoppix-rebuild, I mean I might have goofed something, but I don't believe I did
[02:45] <CarlK> Anusien - auwsome;)
[02:45] <diego> Anusien: in my case, not very (intel ipw2200)
[02:45] <etzerd> I hove I don't broke the rules
[02:45] <hybrid> can i get a final opion on this? i was talkin to randabis one night and i want to dual boot ubuntu and gentoo. now would the be feasible for aa semi-n00b?
[02:45] <Burgundavia> Anusien: depends on the card
[02:45] <Burgundavia> etzerd: not a problem
[02:45] <glev> ya til quelqun qui parle francais
[02:45] <Aghaster> moi
[02:45] <libben> I have a D-Link
[02:45] <Anusien> I can't even remember who makes the card because it's a laptop
[02:45] <Aghaster> libben i dont speak that one
[02:45] <glev> speur
[02:45] <glev> super
[02:45] <whiskers> robertj, hmmm...that is very strange...i have cloned several types of partitions with partimage and restored them as a test and they all worked.
[02:45] <PecK> Anusien, not a single problem with netgear WG511 on hoary
[02:46] <glev> jai un problem
[02:46] <Burgundavia> hybrid: sure. Just learn about grub. Both Ubuntu and Gentoo should play nice and see each other
[02:46] <DangerousBanger> when warty will be released?
[02:46] <CarlK> Anusien - It worked with all 9 of mine, most of them are ones I was given because they had issues
[02:46] <PecK> but dlink 650WL+ doesn't work out of the box
[02:46] <Aghaster> mouais
[02:46] <etzerd> Peck you tell me it is the best? Are you sure?
[02:46] <glev> tu peu traduire stp
[02:46] <whiskers> robertj, but use whatever you wish...i don't force anything on anyone.
[02:46] <Aghaster> oui
[02:46] <Anusien> oh boy, this is going to be fun.  It's not finding it by default
[02:46] <Burgundavia> Anusien: you might want to try the Dlink 650. I have one of those and it worked ootb
[02:46] <hybrid> Burgundavia: ok
[02:46] <Aghaster> jpx te servir dinterprete
[02:46] <speel> firday wartyyyy
[02:46] <ericneon> morning all~
[02:46] <speel> friday
[02:46] <glev> sa fais deja 5 heure que je cherche une solution
[02:46] <libben> DWL-520+ worked out of the box =) dlink one
[02:46] <hybrid> warty?
[02:46] <whiskers> robertj, as far as i can tell...partimage is really dd
[02:46] <diego> speel: hoary...
[02:46] <glev> jai un portable
[02:46] <Aghaster> explike le probleme, jvais le traduire
[02:46] <speel> hoary i mean
[02:46] <speel> =x
[02:47] <Anusien> the man thing is for some reason, help files are broken off the live cd
[02:47] <CarlK> peck - 650 WL+ or 650 DWL+?
[02:47] <whiskers> robertj, and dd is quite powerful
[02:47] <glev> je lai eu sans hd
[02:47] <PecK> etzerd, have tried Mandrake, Knoppix, Red Hat and Fedora... Ubuntu came last, when finally I was able to stop dual booting
[02:47] <Burgundavia> I have the DWL+
[02:47] <robertj> whiskers: I just highly recommend CCC as a non-cost option for Mac users that is very easy to use and handles all the blessing for you
[02:47] <bluefoxicy> is there a GUI tool for setting up partition mount points
[02:47] <hybrid> diego: who cares about hoary any more lol i think breezy is all the rage. except for the new comers
[02:47] <PecK> CarlK, probably the 650 DWL+
[02:47] <glev> et jessay dinstaller un hd mk6021gas toshiba
[02:47] <lumberjack> can anyone give me some directions to install ATI drivers with ubuntu? :)
[02:47] <CarlK>  my 650DWL+ workes, didnt have to touch anything
[02:47] <whiskers> robertj, hmm...i never heard of it....i  have never seen an apple computer.
[02:47] <glev> seulement je ni arrive pas
[02:48] <diego> hybrid: i was hoping to run stable but in the past month hoary has been acting up and it's only gotten worse
[02:48] <glev> on dirais quil me manque une piece
[02:48] <etzerd> Peck I use windows xp and ubuntu
[02:48] <PecK> lumberjack, sorry can't help but google.com/linux did all the work for my drivers
[02:48] <CarlK> but I hear there are really 4 versions under this model #, so that could be why
[02:48] <Aghaster> glev tu px tu tre plus prcis?
[02:48] <lumberjack> PecK, Thanks
[02:48] <hybrid> diego: hmm thats weird it has been fine over here. what has been happenin?
[02:48] <whiskers> robertj, i don't know what those guys do....i heard they use a strange stuffit format
[02:48] <PecK> etzerd, since I dl Ubuntu, never booted Win again
[02:48] <etzerd> can I add a tird OS such as RedHat Enterprise WS 4
[02:48] <glev> pose moi des question
[02:48] <glev> je te repond
[02:48] <robertj> whiskers: doesn't look like much. You run the utility and it has a dropdown for source partition, a dropdown for destination, and a button with a lock beside it. Unlock it with an admin password and press Clone
[02:48] <glev> c plus simple
[02:48] <Aghaster> stun disque dur externe jimagine?
[02:48] <hybrid> whiskers stuffit is strage
[02:48] <robertj> whiskers: stuffit is dead
[02:48] <PecK> etzerd, sure
[02:48] <libben> it takes a real long time to configuring network interface on boot up.... I have 3 network faces.... now only one is activated.... what happends if i aply the disable network face patch... will i not be able to get online when i hit gnome later?
[02:48] <glev> non
[02:49] <Aghaster> ok
[02:49] <whiskers> robertj, so no one knows what they are file sharing with that stuffit stuff
[02:49] <robertj> everyone uses .dmg and .tar.gz or .zip these days
[02:49] <glev> c un interne
[02:49] <Aghaster> ok
[02:49] <glev> c un probleme materiel
[02:49] <glev> par logiciel
[02:49] <Aghaster> c le gars du magasin ki la install?
[02:49] <etzerd> Peck where are you? in Europe or America?
[02:49] <PecK> etzerd, Europe
[02:49] <hybrid> robertj: i think zip is dying but in winblows
[02:49] <glev> je sais pas comment setais fichu avant
[02:49] <diego> hybrid: intel ipw2200 drivers unstable (drop network every now and then), automounting usb disks generally doesn't work, netapplet crashes every time i log out of gnome, liferea crashes sometimes. and then i'm not happy about not being able to edit my menu's easily
[02:49] <etzerd> OK
[02:49] <robertj> whiskers: OS X has addition resource forks that need to be preserved, thats why most mac apps come enclosed in a DMG
[02:49] <glev> car jai eu portable sans hd
[02:49] <etzerd> I'm in America, New York
[02:49] <Aghaster> cmt tu en a dduis ke c matriel?
[02:50] <whiskers> robertj, yes i have seen some  dmg files floating around but i have no idea what is in them
[02:50] <libben> I still bump my Q =) like 20 lines up =) ^^^^
[02:50] <etzerd> You know in US we used Windows XP the most
[02:50] <glev> car yavais pas de disque dur
[02:50] <whiskers> etzerd, not me...i can't stand xp
[02:50] <robertj> whiskers: its just a mac file-archive that preserves all the extra info that Mac's like
[02:50] <PecK> etzerd, in Europe too
[02:50] <glev> maintenant jen ai un mais je narrive pas linstaller
[02:50] <etzerd> but don't take me wrong do I'm very satisfied with ubundu
[02:50] <whiskers> robertj, oh..i see...
[02:50] <dockane> etzerd, thata everywhere
[02:50] <hybrid> diego: yes the usb issue has been happening alot. liferea has been working fine 4 me. that netapplet issue is pretty weird
[02:50] <diego> libben: i'm guessing you should try it and see.. i don't know
[02:50] <whiskers> robertj, well i am puzzled why so many are using this lizard djvu stuff
[02:50] <Aghaster> installer ubuntu sur le disque dur ou ben a installer le disque dur dans le portable?
[02:51] <glev> dans le portable ya socle
[02:51] <robertj> lizard djvu?
[02:51] <whiskers> robertj, why is djvu so popular
[02:51] <hybrid> can you run dmg packages on linux?
[02:51] <glev> je lenleve et met le hd dedant
[02:51] <PecK> etzerd, it's windows is 90% of sold PC's in the world. Everyone almost.
[02:51] <diego> hybrid: what is a dmg package?
[02:51] <glev> quand je glisse le socle jarrive pas a brancher le hd
[02:51] <glev> pouquoi
[02:51] <etzerd> I tried them all Mandrake, SUSE, Fedora, Redhat I have Redhat Enterprise 4 AS but ubuntu make my day
[02:51] <hybrid> diego: it is an image file used mainly in macs
[02:51] <PecK> lol nice beggining for that sentence
[02:52] <glev> et se que il me manque une piece
[02:52] <robertj> never heard of it
[02:52] <Aghaster> tarrive pas a pluger le disque dur?
[02:52] <etzerd> I agree Peck
[02:52] <glev> sa veu t dir pluger
[02:52] <Aghaster> jai jamais jou dans un portable
[02:52] <robertj> it's not a package, its just an arhcive
[02:52] <dockane> etzerd, never tried debinan ?
[02:52] <etzerd> every PC come with the Microsoft Giant XP, trust me it's suck
[02:52] <Aghaster> pluger == brancher
[02:52] <robertj> OS X packages are .pkg files
[02:52] <hybrid> well thats what i meant
[02:52] <glev> ok
[02:52] <diego> glev, Aghaster: please move to a more appropriate channel
[02:52] <glev> oui je narrive  pas
[02:52] <whiskers> etzerd, i saw xp but i  like win98 better
[02:52] <etzerd> what about debian? I heard people said it's cool
[02:53] <Aghaster> hum... dsl mais jpense ke tu risques de perdre ton temps avec moi
[02:53] <hybrid> ubuntu ~= debian
[02:53] <glev> demande en englais si il me fo une piece inetremediare stp
[02:53] <Aghaster> jpx te rferer a une bonne place fr
[02:53] <dockane> etzerd, ubuntu uses debian somehow
[02:53] <whiskers> etzerd, but don't try to use avg antivirus on win98....it crashes everywhere
[02:53] <Xeon3D> argh
[02:53] <ScArcher2> Hey I just installed powerpc ubuntu (hoary) does anyone know how to get mplayer or some other movie player working in ubuntu? I've tried a lot of the howto's but they just don't work.
[02:53] <glev> laquel
[02:53] <Aghaster>  ./server irc.epiknet.org
[02:53] <Xeon3D> isn't there a ubuntu-fr channel ?
[02:53] <Aghaster> ./join #informatique
[02:53] <PecK> In fact it'd made my day since I first hit Ubuntu's website. "Humanity to others". Made the point, is a great distro, and the community is here, it's all palpable, it's all good!
[02:53] <diego> Xeon3D: if only they listened
[02:53] <glev> super
[02:53] <whiskers> i need to compile a win98 version of clam antivirus
[02:54] <Aghaster> @+
[02:54] <diego> PecK: on the surface.
[02:54] <etzerd> you right whiskers, even on the internet with windows XP POPup took control of the operating system
[02:54] <PecK> diego, what to you mean?
[02:54] <whiskers> etzerd, well mostly what i don't like about me, 2k , and xp is that system restore stuff
[02:54] <diego> PecK: maybe you weren't reading when i bitched about all my problems with hoary earlier heh
[02:54] <robertj> whiskers: xp's system restore is pretty good
[02:55] <etzerd> Tell me about it whiskers
[02:55] <whiskers> because you are always getting viruses and some propogate through that system restore stuff and cause real nightmares
[02:55] <diego> robertj: WHAT? xp's system restore is worthless...
[02:55] <HappyPills> robertj: yes, it restores all those viruses it had saved for you
[02:55] <etzerd> it is a shame some of the software company don't write software for Linux
[02:55] <robertj> I've used it to rollback a few machines
[02:55] <dockane> what's still missing is, that commercial games run os indepently, min win AND linux
[02:55] <HappyPills> hmm... too many similar experiences it seems
[02:55] <Legendre> hi
[02:55] <PecK> diego, I suppose that if it gets complicated, you should ask for real help. we all have a life. and I'm sure you'd find someone interested at some other time if here nobody could help
[02:56] <whiskers> but anyway all the popular programs on linux run on win98 except we need to compile a windows version of gimpshop and clamav
[02:56] <etzerd> So Peck, are you ever tried debian? since I heard it is like ubuntu
[02:56] <Burgundavia> ubuntu is based on debian sid
[02:56] <Burgundavia> in fact, in several days after the release, ubuntu will sync to debian sid
[02:56] <diego> PecK: yeah but i had higher hopes for hoary. it introduced the problems rather than adding features
[02:56] <PecK> etzerd, no, in fact I was going to download debian but a post in a forum said ubuntu was even better. so i checked the website and here it is
[02:57] <PecK> etzerd, but I know Ubuntu's based on debian
[02:57] <etzerd> Only one thing on ubuntu the installation is not that easy, they don't have a GUI installation yet like the other distro
[02:57] <PecK> and apt-get is magic
[02:57] <robertj> PecK: I really think there is not a down side of starting with Ubuntu and moving to Debian if that's what you want
[02:57] <ScArcher2> I think the ubuntu install was quite easy
[02:57] <SuperL4g> When you install fortune, what command is it?  I would have thought it would be simply 'fortune' but that doesn't work
[02:57] <dockane> yes it is
[02:57] <ScArcher2> even if it isn't 'gui' it's easy
[02:57] <libben> lol 5th or 6th time i do a update install today from update-notifier =)
[02:58] <PecK> diego, I'm not a specialist, it's been a couple of weeks at the most, and I'm newb level, soon to confirm :p
[02:58] <libben> this day/nite is cooking =)
[02:58] <PecK> robertj, In fact I just wanted an OS that I enjoyed fully.
[02:58] <PecK> robertj, for the moment I'm cool
[02:58] <ScArcher2> is there a powerpc specific ubuntu channel?
[02:58] <PecK> don't know about Debian for later
[02:58] <dockane> libben, what does it mean when a day/ night is "cooking" ?
[02:58] <robertj> Sc: AFAIK, no
[02:58] <PecK> but I'm curious, so don't know :p
[02:59] <PecK> why do you say that robertj
[02:59] <robertj> Peck: because if you want to go to Debian you can dist-upgrade your way there
[02:59] <libben> dockane, i ment... theyre coding and updating hard this day / night =)
[02:59] <Anusien> So, /etc/X11/xorg.conf has my monitor right and resolution correct (1280x800) but I only get 640x480.  I'm on a live CD so I'm asking more for curiousity's sake.  any ideas?
[03:00] <PecK> lol robertj loving the principle :) but are there palpable advantages or it's only if I want to "go further"?
[03:00] <etzerd> Peck, I'm going to add Redhat as an additional distro that will make it 3 OS "XP, ubuntu, Redhat" I hope it's work
[03:00] <diego> these updates should have been done a couple months ago so we would have more time for QA...
[03:00] <kdp> .....i havent had any updates all day
[03:00] <PecK> so the distro's not as good as expected?
[03:01] <robertj> PecK: Debian experimental is going to have some bleeding-edge stuff that's not available to Ubuntu users
[03:01] <diego> PecK: it's the best i've found but i'm still not happy
[03:01] <etzerd> by the way which version of ubuntu are  you using guys, I download the 5.04 version is it stable yet?
[03:01] <PecK> that's not bad a sales argument though... tough community, exigeant users, but satisfied newbs :)) great potential
[03:01] <ScArcher2> Anusiem: I ran this command and it gave me a few menus where I could pick the resolutions then I hit control + alt + backspace and it restarted x then my resolution problem was fixed. dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[03:01] <robertj> PecK: also stuff freshly ariving in Debian may not have found its way into Universe
[03:01] <robertj> etzerd: It will be released and stable this Friday.
[03:01] <PecK> But what's Ubuntu-made that I'd regret robertj ?
[03:01] <Burgundavia> there is an aggressive push to get everything into universe
[03:02] <PecK> diego, lol ok get the point
[03:02] <robertj> PecK: I don't think you will find anything
[03:02] <whiskers> i see zsnes in synaptic but not fakeness....i wonder why..it was always on gentoo
[03:02] <etzerd> robertj, so I have to redownload it again and reinstall ubuntu all over again
[03:02] <PecK> diego, might be easier if one has "regular" basic needs and configuration then?
[03:02] <PecK> robertj, so why does Ubuntu exist?
[03:02] <robertj> etzerd: no, is update manager working for you?
[03:02] <whiskers> for people that want to write their own nintendo games
[03:03] <robertj> Peck: Because Debian hasn't released a stable release in 3 years
[03:03] <steve33> anyone using dvd shrink in here
[03:03] <etzerd> My update manager is working
[03:03] <PecK> robertj, so Ubuntu might become Debian independent if they develop their know-how?
[03:03] <whiskers> steve33, no that is specialized gentoo stuff
[03:03] <robertj> so every 6 months Canonical takes a snapshot of Debian unstable, patches it up as best as it can be, and calls it stable
[03:03] <chaotic_linux> can anyone help me get java on my cpu
[03:03] <diego> PecK: my basic needs include stable wifi and i don't get that because i happen to be affected by the bug in the old version of the intel drivers that i'm running because the devs won't update to the fixed drivers this late in the release stage
[03:03] <PecK> robertj, ah ok
[03:03] <robertj> Peck: I doubt it, I don't think thats a goal
[03:03] <steve33> whiskers, dvd shrink is windows stuff
[03:04] <whiskers> steve33, no there are quite a few dvd shrink programs on gentoo
[03:04] <PecK> robertj, stable means having support?
[03:04] <whiskers> along with lots and lots of emulators and games
[03:04] <chaotic_linux> can anyone help me get java on my cpu
[03:04] <PecK> diego, lol sucks!
[03:04] <whiskers> but the system is just too large
[03:04] <steve33> whiskers, i am trying to shrink my dvd to copy it to a blank dvd
[03:04] <PecK> diego, can't blaim them though...
[03:04] <dockane> has anyone tried icewm with ubuntu ?
[03:04] <diego> PecK: oh i can bitch. i can bitch and bitch and bitch. lol
[03:04] <whiskers> steve33, well why not use the theora library
[03:05] <hybrid> x86 ppl OO update is available now
[03:05] <PecK> diego, lol
[03:05] <whiskers> i mean that is what theora is for
[03:05] <chaotic_linux> can anyone help me get java on my cpu
[03:05] <steve33> whiskers, whats the theora library, and how
[03:05] <ScArcher2> Chaotic_linux: what have you tried?
[03:05] <whiskers> and everybody is using ogg-vorbis and theora now
[03:05] <chaotic_linux> what do u mean?
[03:05] <whiskers> because nobody wants to pay royalties
[03:05] <ScArcher2> Chaotic_linux:ok first is it x86 ubuntu?
[03:05] <PecK> robertj, does "Stable" release mean it's supported by the editor?
[03:06] <PecK> robertj, in Ubuntu's case in particular?
[03:06] <steve33> whiskers: how does one get and use this
[03:06] <regeya> fight for your right to royalty-free stolen music!
[03:06] <whiskers> www.theora.org
[03:06] <Burgundavia> PecK: stable means that if you want commercial support from Canonical you can get it
[03:06] <steve33> whiskers: ok
[03:06] <Burgundavia> PecK: it also means that there are no new features going into it
[03:06] <whiskers> regeya, theora is not for music
[03:06] <Burgundavia> PecK: just security updates for main
[03:06] <whiskers> wake up
[03:06] <PecK> Burgundavia, exactly my question, thank you
[03:06] <regeya> you also mentioned ogg vorbis
[03:07] <regeya> prat
[03:07] <whiskers> regeya, well yes on that one
[03:07] <PecK> so Canonical is an IT Services Firm
[03:07] <whiskers> regeya, there is no way to stop all the rippers
[03:07] <PecK> Open Software aware and sponsor
[03:07] <whiskers> regeya, they keep coming up with new ones everyday
[03:07] <PecK> Burgundavia, does canonical earn money?
[03:08] <PecK> are they profitable I mean
[03:08] <whiskers> one guy in here while ago had 2000 ripped ogg files
[03:08] <whiskers> ha ha ha
[03:08] <whiskers> i wonder if he will get 2000 ripped theora movies
[03:08] <kdp> hey....i have my whole music collection burned.....more conveinent
[03:08] <kdp> i dont have to switch between CDs
[03:09] <hybrid> does anyone have mp3s or oggs to play under ubuntu ppc?
[03:09] <Burgundavia> PecK: you would have to ask mark that. I would imagine not
[03:09] <steve33> whiskers: can this format compress my dvds to play on my home player
[03:09] <PecK> Burgundavia, thx :)
[03:09] <ScArcher2> hybrid, i'd like to get movies working :)
[03:09] <kdp> hahahha, a company whose sole purpose is to support a free OS they put out every 6 months....sounds kinda weird to me
[03:09] <ScArcher2> hybrid, i haven't tried mp3's let me see if one works
[03:10] <Alarca> Hola!!!
[03:10] <turkey_joe> is the fact that kubuntu uses kde, the only difference between ubuntu??
[03:10] <hybrid> ScArcher2: i am having the same problem :P
[03:10] <hybrid> i cant play dvds
[03:11] <milan145> any tips on setting up a usb wlan in ubuntu?
[03:11] <whiskers> steve33, i doubt it...when you buy home hardware you are usually buying into someone's sucker plan
[03:11] <ScArcher2> hybrid, i may can help you with the mp3s
[03:11] <kdp> hybrid: youre using libdvdcss2+totem-xine?
[03:11] <etzerd> Hey peck what you think about install 3 OS at the same time
[03:11] <PecK> etzerd, what for?
[03:11] <whiskers> steve33, that is why everybody likes linux...it is free from all those entrapments
[03:11] <etzerd> just for fun
[03:11] <hybrid> kdp:no i was using xmms do i need xine
[03:12] <hybrid> ScArcher2: do you have mp3s playing?
[03:12] <kdp> for movies you need totem-xine...well at least i think it works better
[03:12] <steve33> whiskers: no offense, but you are kind of wasting my time. I want to compress the dvd to play on my home player
[03:12] <hybrid> kdp ok
[03:12] <kdp> and libdvdcss2
[03:12] <PecK> etzerd, then sure
[03:12] <turkey_joe> is kubuntu a kde version of ubuntu??
[03:12] <etzerd> OK talk to you later guys
[03:12] <apokryphos> turkey_joe: Ubuntu with KDE, yes.
[03:13] <etzerd> I should be back later
[03:13] <turkey_joe> thanks.
[03:13] <PecK> Burgundavia, check canonical's site. news still are of warty release, in october 2004... The Isle of Man? they're donators more than anything, maybe?
[03:13] <whiskers> steve33, well first you need to know what formats your home player restricts you too.
[03:14] <whiskers> but uh ...you are missing the point of linux
[03:14] <ScArcher2> hang on hybrid, i'm trying it now
[03:14] <Burgundavia> PecK: no they are a company,and Mark intends to make money on it
[03:14] <Burgundavia> PecK: isle of mann is for tax purposes
[03:14] <steve33> whiskers: all I want is to backup the dvd, compress it and copy it
[03:15] <diego> whiskers: there's a point to linux?
[03:15] <steve33> whiskers: backup I got down
[03:15] <etzerd> Peck one more question before I go
[03:15] <azuzak> hoary release? when? :-)
[03:15] <whiskers> steve33, yes ...it is free from all those commercial restrictions and entrapments
[03:15] <etzerd> on the Synaptic Package Manager
[03:15] <PecK> Burgundavia, ok ok :) thought is was a way of officially sponsoring more than anything. because of the tax.
[03:15] <steve33> whiskers: what is
[03:15] <PecK> etzerd, yes
[03:15] <diego> azuzak: friday
[03:15] <azuzak> diego, thanks
[03:15] <Burgundavia> PecK: Ubuntu is only one of several projects canonical funds
[03:15] <etzerd> you know there is a column mark S follow by one that is before description
[03:16] <mina> Hi. I don't use ubuntu but I suggested it to a friend who is tinkering. He's using the livecd and needs to start a pppoe connection to get online. How's that done on the ubuntu livecd ?
[03:16] <etzerd> I have some fiels with the round logo of ubuntu next to them what is that mean?
[03:16] <libben> can u have graphical grub menu loaded instead of textmode?
[03:16] <mina> the site/doc/wiki don't mention adsl or pppoe
[03:16] <Burgundavia> etzerd: those are official supported packages
[03:16] <PecK> Burgundavia, yes I'm checking Go Open Source :) Cool stuff they're doing
[03:16] <diego> libben: you can do anything you want if you set your mind to it
[03:17] <hyphenated> uh.. do I have to make my own symlink for gcc -> gcc-3.4?
[03:17] <Burgundavia> PecK: Go Open Source is also mark, but through the shuttleworth foundation, different
[03:17] <etzerd> Burgundavia you know what I'm talking about
[03:17] <Burgundavia> etzerd: I assume you are looking at the packages in Synaptic?
[03:17] <PecK> Burgundavia, oh
[03:17] <etzerd> the round ubuntu logo I think the color is like orange
[03:17] <etzerd> yes
[03:18] <Burgundavia> PecK: see Here Be Dragons, Mark's VC company
[03:18] <hybrid> etzerd: they have a blue one now
[03:18] <etzerd> if you look at Synaptic the column before the description
[03:18] <robertj> Wow, that's a great company name
[03:18] <peters80> Ubuntu will not boot!  I get an error about a filesystem error (Buffer I/O error on device hda1.....attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read)  I am booting of ubuntu live, and can access all the data on my hard drive, but I would like to get it back booting.  Is there any hope?
[03:18] <Burgundavia> etzerd: those packages are offical supported. You will get security updates for them.
[03:19] <etzerd> when they place in front of the file what's that mean?
[03:19] <Burgundavia> etzerd: as above
[03:19] <Burgundavia> file=package
[03:19] <diego> etzerd: that it's supported i think
[03:19] <libben> how do i see if i have lets say flashplayer-mozilla installed on my box... i wanna know how i can detect this using apt- in bash... i dont wanna start synaptic just to check if i have it installed
[03:19] <PecK> Burgundavia, no link on the website and google tells me nothing alike
[03:19] <etzerd> OK thanks
[03:19] <PecK> Burgundavia, any link?
[03:19] <Burgundavia> PecK: I don't think hdb has a website. But it does exist
[03:19] <chaotic_linux> scarcher2
[03:20] <whiskers> anyway all those ripped theora movies and ogg music are none of my business
[03:20] <PecK> Burgundavia, can't check it out then?
[03:20] <Burgundavia> http://www.hbd.com/
[03:20] <whiskers> and i try to stay out of everybody else's business
[03:20] <diego> `apt-get install battlefield2`...if only that Just Worked
[03:21] <ScArcher2> sorry hybrid, no luck for me either
[03:22] <PecK> Burgundavia, eureka! now it all makes sense
[03:22] <PecK> Thawte is the key to that name
[03:24] <Burgundavia> PecK: Thawte was sold in 1999
[03:25] <PecK> Burgundavia, yes, but it was important for the bubble so i knew of it. and I'd read mark's name then and maybe more recently reading some articles again
[03:25] <PecK> Burgundavia, I try to be a industry-aware as much as possible
[03:27] <bluefoxicy> dhcp3-server isn't working, help me configure it.
[03:28] <kdp> ok everybody, help save one of the funniest shows on TV....www.getarrested.com
[03:29] <jordanau> yes do as kdp says PLLEAASEEE.....
[03:29] <hybrid> tv is over rated
[03:29] <jordanau> not this show
[03:30] <helio7> what's tv?
[03:30] <kdp> damn fox
[03:30] <jordanau> well what can you do kdp
[03:31] <jordanau> helio7, i am assuming thats a joke...
[03:31] <kdp> hehehehehe, its a cathode ray tube!  well, back in the day.......
[03:31] <hybrid> lol
[03:31] <jordanau> haha
[03:32] <jordanau> kdp, there seems to be a pretty big response on the getarrested page
[03:32] <helio7> well; yes; I have a tv-set (this year for the first time in 15 years) but haven't had a signal on it; only for movies and such
[03:32] <kdp> indeed...yet 17K+ still isnt enough :-(
[03:32] <jordanau> of course thousands of people (including me) download the show if they miss it, but i also buy the dvd
[03:32] <synd> ok, i have a wireless card working with ubuntu and it randomly drops the connection every now and then and the only way to get it going again is to reboot. the weird thing is that ive used kubuntu for the past 3 days straight and the wireless connection hasnt been dropped once
[03:33] <hybrid> jordanau where do u d/l tv show from?
[03:33] <toresbe> hmmm
[03:33] <jordanau> will discussing this result in bannination?
[03:33] <helio7> synd: are you using ndiswrapper i'm just curious, I don't unfortunately know how to help.
[03:33] <kdp> oo that would be illegal (www.btefnet.net)
[03:33] <toresbe> I'm concidering getting in a bot here...
[03:33] <toresbe> Would anyone object to that?
[03:33] <synd> helio7: yes, i am
[03:34] <synd> toresbe: why?
[03:34] <jordanau> toresbe, what do you mean?
[03:34] <jordanau> toresbe, like to answer basic questions
[03:34] <toresbe> Well, #debian has a very nice bot, and I think #ubuntu could hugely benefit from one
[03:34] <toresbe> jordanau: exactly
[03:34] <toresbe> I aired it in #ubuntu-devel 'couple hours ago and noone said anything
[03:34] <hybrid> toresbe: nice and have links to the wiki
[03:34] <Arnia> I'm not so sure... its not very human is it?
[03:34] <synd> ah.
[03:34] <jordanau> toresbe, make sure it has that feature where you can google stuff to rub dumb questions in the face
[03:35] <toresbe> jordanau: heh
[03:35] <hybrid> toresbe: i didnt see that post
[03:35] <toresbe> hybrid: well, scroll back :P
[03:35] <whiskers> in summary...it is none of my business but no one will ever stop the linux people they come up with new restriction free stuff everyday
[03:35] <Arnia> I've seen them before, I think they can get quite harmful to communities
[03:35] <toresbe> Arnia: bah, bullshit IMO
[03:35] <jordanau> toresbe, check out rodney from #nethack he's badass
[03:35] <hybrid> toresbe: lol i havent check it lately tho
[03:36] <regeya> not really bullshit
[03:36] <jordanau> hybrid, bittorrent by the way
[03:36] <toresbe> Arnia: #debian would lose whatever helpfulness it has if dpkg and apt were to die (the bots are so named)
[03:36] <jordanau> toresbe, is discussing a tv torrent on this channel bad
[03:36] <whiskers> and there seems to be no way to even stop ogg or theora....and if you did they would come up with something else
[03:36] <hybrid> jirdanau: well what site? i like mininova but it is well umm... mini
[03:36] <whiskers> no way to stop the linux people
[03:37] <hybrid> toresbe: lol
[03:37] <apokryphos> Bots are great when used properly; bad when abused and their scope not considered. They should only be a medium.
[03:37] <regeya> I'd prefer to not see "dpkg, tell torsebe about root"
[03:37] <jordanau> i prefer www.torrentspy.com
[03:37] <toresbe> hehe
[03:37] <Arnia> toresbe: I've heard many complaints about the inhumanness of the bots in #debian... if Ubuntu is really meant to focus on its humanity, humans should be providing the support
[03:37] <apokryphos> toresbe: Pyre here is a bot I use sometimes.
[03:37] <regeya> or "!root"
[03:37] <regeya> !botsnack
[03:37] <whiskers> i mean really...just look at peerguardian2 for bittorrent
[03:37] <synd> Arnia: i agree.
[03:37] <toresbe> Arnia: well, if you'll excuse my frankness, bullsh*.
[03:37] <whiskers> they have identified and blocked all known investigators
[03:37] <regeya> well, good counter, torsebe
[03:37] <jordanau> toresbe, agreed
[03:37] <toresbe> Arnia: why don't we just ask humans to go through the C code themselves... would make things so much more human
[03:37] <whiskers> ha ha ha
[03:38] <regeya> I think I'll use that in my next business meeting
[03:38] <whiskers> these linux people are unreal
[03:38] <apokryphos> As long as bots are only used when instructed by another person, or when in /msg then it's absolutely fine.
[03:38] <jordanau> all it would do is throw up links to ndisswrapper howto etc right?
[03:38] <yfir> all questions are answered here. what would a bot add to this channel?
[03:38] <regeya> "We could increase productivity by increasing the number of productivity reports and meetings"  "bullshit!"
[03:38] <toresbe> jordanau: yeah
[03:38] <hybrid> Arnia: it would only be for faq
[03:38] <apokryphos> yfir: well, personally, I use mine for retrieving links
[03:38] <xon> Has anyone else been experience crashes in firefox after the most recent update causing system lockups?
[03:38] <toresbe> regeya: Well, that *is* bullshit ;)
[03:38] <regeya> heh
[03:38] <xon> I didnt see anything in the digest about it
[03:39] <jordanau> that would be great i think bots work well imho
[03:39] <regeya> doesn't make you very popular, though :-)
[03:39] <Arnia> hybrid: As long as it doesn't spam to the channel
[03:39] <toresbe> well, the bots are as useful as the people who feed it factoids
[03:39] <Arnia> hybrid: Overly chatting bots really really annoy me :)
[03:39] <steve33> anyone here familiar with home dvd copying
[03:39] <toresbe> Arnia: me too!
[03:39] <hybrid> Arnia : amen
[03:39] <whiskers> steve33, well it is illegal in the US
[03:39] <Arnia> toresbe: But I fail to see the point of this really
[03:39] <hybrid> we gvet enuff trolls
[03:39] <toresbe> Arnia: a lot of people come in here asking very basic questions
[03:39] <Krys^> steve33, sorta.. what you need?
[03:39] <hybrid> damn debian ppl
[03:40] <yfir> toresbe: and a lot of people here answer them
[03:40] <toresbe> Arnia: quite a lot of the time, those questions have been well answered before.
[03:40] <Arnia> toresbe: And I know that if I asked a basic question I'd feel far happier if a human answered me
[03:40] <jordanau> toresbe, can the bot respond somewhere other than the room?
[03:40] <kdp> whiskers: technically yes, but so is playing back dvds on linux
[03:40] <steve33> Krys^, I am trying to backup my home dvds, that I own.
[03:40] <toresbe> jordanau: yes
[03:40] <regeya> change your ident to 'root' and join #debian, I dare ya ;-)
[03:40] <whiskers> kdp, yes...well that is why i say the linux people are UNREAL
[03:40] <apokryphos> yfir: sometimes there is a link that will likely explain it more fully, and with more clarity than one could in an IRC channel, though.
[03:40] <steve33> Krys^, I can back them up, just cannot compress the dvd
[03:40] <toresbe> Arnia: but sometimes those questions go unanswered
[03:40] <toresbe> apokryphos: exactly
[03:40] <marska> Hello.. I am trying to mount a USB CDRW/DVD drive with no success. The /scd0 mount point doesn't seem to work (it is binded to /cdrom as it was the default drive) and it is odd, as when I insert a music CD, it detects it, but cannot play the music itself. How can I get it to work?
[03:40] <jordanau> toresbe, that would be nice if it sent customized messages as opposed to messages to everyone
[03:41] <Krys^> Hmm.. and I take it u're doing this in ubuntu?
[03:41] <steve33> Krys^, yes
[03:41] <yfir> aprokryphos: i have nothing against giving links
[03:41] <whiskers> steve33, no you cannot even back them up because it is illegal to break DeCss
[03:41] <hybrid> but 1 bad thing about the bot aanswering faq. i may be out of a job :P
[03:41] <toresbe> apokryphos: a bot could for example summarize and provide a link
[03:41] <regeya> I don't know about nowadays, but to be a smartass once, I changed my ident to 'notroot' and one of their bots freaked the fudge out, and it also earned me a kickban from #debian.
[03:41] <yfir> aprokryphos: but it's nice to talk to a person when you have a problem, even if the problem is simple in the eyes of otheres
[03:41] <kdp> stupid DMCA
[03:41] <whiskers> steve33, that is why linux is so popular
[03:41] <yfir> if you are sick of answering questions, this is perhaps not the channel for yoy
[03:42] <yfir> *you
[03:42] <steve33> Krys^, what ya think
[03:42] <Krys^> steve33, I've only done it in windows. I'm still fairly new to ubuntu.  However, for windows it'd be 'dvd shrink' (i think that's what its called) not sure if they make a linux version
[03:42] <regeya> raising the ire of the bots at that time was a good way to get a kickban
[03:42] <apokryphos> toresbe: I totally agree; that's why I use mine. :) Not so much for summaries, though. Links generally.
[03:42] <marska> How idea about the CDRW/DVD drive?
[03:42] <Orbo> okay
[03:42] <xon> Anyone seen or heard anything about firefox crashes after the recent update?  I couldnt find anything in the digest
[03:42] <Orbo> so I know I have direct rendering
[03:42] <steve33> Krys^, I tried dvd shrink in linux thru wine, but had an ASPI error
[03:42] <apokryphos> yfir: I entirely agree. That's why for basic questions I provide a link and then ask if they have any trouble with it
[03:42] <Orbo> grep direct tell me so
[03:42] <Orbo> yet my screensavers are still SLOW AS HELL
[03:43] <apokryphos> yfir: proccesses like upgrading to hoary etc.. are well and briefly documented on the Wiki. Good idea to put it to use.
[03:43] <Krys^> Oh. I've never had to troubleshoot it, so I guess I can't help you :(.
[03:43] <Orbo> I never had this problem with gentoo (blasphemy?
[03:43] <hybrid> what is the differnce between apt update and apt upgrade?
[03:43] <apokryphos> yfir: and, of course, by noting the wiki you are helping them help themselves. :)
[03:43] <whiskers> steve33, you are like that guy with 2000 ripped oggs.....that stuff is illegal in the US
[03:43] <Krys^> mostly I go "Mooom.. burn me this *hands main copy of dvd to her*
[03:43] <toresbe> OK, how about I put in a bot here of the type used in #debian, for, say, a month
[03:43] <yfir> apokryphos: I regularly refer people to the wiki. I don't see how a bot would really help anyone
[03:43] <jordanau> toresbe, Now the important part, you are going to name him Jordan right?
[03:43] <Arnia> I'm seeing this from a branding point of view... we need to promote Ubuntu as 'human' not techie. Everything should feel like there is great spirit, and that includes 'easy
[03:43] <whiskers> steve33, but really it is none of my business what you do
[03:43] <Arnia> ' questions
[03:43] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell yfir ubuhoary
[03:43] <Pyre> yfir: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[03:43] <steve33> whiskers: thanks man
[03:43] <Orbo> I have a radeon 9800 pro and its still only giving me 1500 fps average
[03:43] <yfir> Pyre: excuse me?
[03:44] <apokryphos> yfir: if you were wanting to upgrade to the hoary, you would just have got the link
[03:44] <toresbe> Orbo: let me guess, glxgears?
[03:44] <Orbo> yeah
[03:44] <apokryphos> yfir: I think that *is* helpful. :)
[03:44] <toresbe> if it's well-liked, it can stay, if everyone hates it, I'll remove it
[03:44] <toresbe> Orbo: sheeeeeeee(...)esh.
[03:44] <libben> how do i see if i have lets say flashplayer-mozilla installed on my box... i wanna know how i can detect this using apt- in bash... i dont wanna start synaptic just to check if i have it installed
[03:44] <hybrid> jordanau: that is a gay name we are naming him hybrid
[03:44] <Orbo> but I had way higher fps than that in gentoo
[03:44] <toresbe> Orbo: This is ideal factoid material
[03:44] <hybrid> :P
[03:44] <apokryphos> TongMaster: who'd you add?
[03:44] <marska> Hello.. I am trying to mount a USB CDRW/DVD drive with no success. The /scd0 mount point doesn't seem to work (it is binded to /cdrom as it was the default drive) and it is odd, as when I insert a music CD, it detects it, but cannot play the music itself. How can I get it to work?
[03:44] <libben> or would u guys just say locate flashplayer ?
[03:44] <jordanau> hybrid, jordan is my real name
[03:44] <Orbo> toresbe?
[03:44] <toresbe> !glxgears is -not-a-benchmark-
[03:44] <toresbe> :)
[03:44] <Orbo> how do you mean
[03:44] <Orbo> okay okay
[03:44] <Orbo> I know that
[03:44] <hybrid> i know i was massin with u
[03:44] <Orbo> I've heard that anyways
[03:44] <hybrid> **messing
[03:45] <yfir> apokryphos: I didn't say it was not useful. But you didn't need a bot to send me the link did you? Now if I actually had questions about upgrading, I could ask them to you.
[03:45] <Arnia> Factoids... reducing everything down to mechanical chunks devoid of social context.
[03:45] <Orbo> but the thing is, my card should be rendering these screensavers no problem
[03:45] <apokryphos> yfir: if you came in saying "how do I upgrade to hoary", and I just gave you the link there, saying "that talks it through to you", please tell me you can see how that is incredibly useful
[03:45] <Orbo> yet things are so slow, like I don't have a card in there at all
[03:45] <hybrid> torsebe: after a month we have ppl vote on to keep the bot lose it or edit it
[03:45] <synd> this may be a random question, but does anyone know how to program Z80 processors?
[03:45] <jordanau> hybrid, lets make a woman bot
[03:45] <yfir> apokrypos: agreed. Not sure what your point is
[03:45] <hybrid> purrrrrrrrrrrr
[03:45] <apokryphos> yfir: I could have given it to you myself, yes, but (i) it would have taken longer, (ii) it would be more effort on my side.
[03:46] <Arnia> apokryphos: It would look better if it was a local xchat script say
[03:46] <apokryphos> yfir: Simple: bots can be useful when used properly. :)
[03:46] <hybrid> jordanau: Ubangtu
[03:46] <hybrid> lol
[03:46] <marska> So I guess thats a no?
[03:46] <hybrid> srry couldnt resist
[03:46] <whiskers> synd, well you may google for some old z80 assembly books
[03:46] <whiskers> synd, it is a little different than 8080
[03:46] <jordanau> marska, i am sorry i dont know sorry you havent gotten a response yet keep trying
[03:47] <apokryphos> Arnia: if what was?
[03:47] <Arnia> apokryphos: The link look up script
[03:47] <yfir> apokryphos: Fair enough. I think this channel is fine without bots and still don't see what they would add to it.
[03:47] <jordanau> hybrid, haha
[03:47] <Arnia> apokryphos: So the information comes from a human, not an unintelligent channel squatter :)
[03:47] <marska> No one here has ever mounted a USB CD-ROM through Linux?
[03:47] <Orbo> any help?
[03:47] <apokryphos> yfir: I just explained it fully in detail. You either disagree or agree, but don't say you can't see why ;-)
[03:47] <jordanau> if it sees the cd isn't it already mounted?
[03:47] <kkathman> marska, my CD-ROM is IDE as Im sure most here are I guess
[03:48] <whiskers> marska, well i mount a usb hard drive through linux....should be similar to cd
[03:48] <regeya> heh
[03:48] <yfir> apokryphos: You explained what a bot would do, not how that would help this channel.
[03:48] <encKe`> anyone know if a motorola wireless card will work for Ubuntu?
[03:48] <apokryphos> Arnia: sorry, I'm confused
[03:48] <regeya> dumbbot, tell Arnia about talking
[03:48] <Arnia> apokryphos: Your bot 'speaks' itself, right
[03:48] <marska> Whiskers: You know of a tutorial or something then? I'm not able to get it to work.
[03:48] <toresbe> whiskers: no they're not, the Z80 is binary compatible with the 8080!
[03:48] <apokryphos> yfir: well, surely if it helps members (something which I explained it does), it consequently helps the channel, as the channel is the community?
[03:48] <apokryphos> Arnia: that's right
[03:48] <Arnia> apokryphos: That means its not YOU seen to give the advice, its a piece of effort saving script
[03:48] <jordanau> marska, this is a shot in the dark but what are the read write permissions of that cd drive you mounted
[03:48] <toresbe> whiskers: there are a few extra goodies in the Z80, though
[03:49] <whiskers> marska, well i do a dmesg to find out what the usb assignment is when i plug the hard drive in..
[03:49] <Arnia> apokryphos: The perception difference would be massive
[03:49] <whiskers> then i mount it and use it
[03:49] <hybrid> *wonders how Arnia defines old
[03:49] <apokryphos> Arnia: I would have thought it was pretty obvious as in the post just before I'm *telling* it what to do, but go figure.
[03:49] <yfir> apokryphos: you'd still have to convince me it helps members better than other members do.
[03:49] <whiskers> toresbe, yes the z80 was intesting but the 8080 won out
[03:49] <whiskers> and the 8086 took over
[03:49] <Arnia> Humans don't like to be seen as dismissed. They like to think that others will go the extra mile for them
[03:49] <regeya> I agree with Arnia somewhat but on the other hand, I've seen bots that are good tools.  I've also seen bots that become tools for being obnoxious jerks.  One will have to be careful.
[03:50] <apokryphos> yfir: I demonstrated it above. It (i) saves effort from the link-poster side, (ii) it's quicker.
[03:50] <Arnia> That is what builds communities
[03:50] <hybrid> yfir: all it would do is faq like the all time sudo/root question
[03:50] <toresbe> whiskers: th's wrong
[03:50] <toresbe> whiskers: the z80 sold far more than the 8080
[03:50] <EvilIdler> regeya: Yeah..case in point: #debian. Pretty obnoxious :(
[03:50] <yfir> hybrid: that's already in the faq
[03:50] <whiskers> toresbe, well...that is what i observed
[03:50] <toresbe> whiskers: its sales warped the intel box
[03:50] <apokryphos> Arnia: well, I'm sorry that you see that as me dismissing them. I see it as me helping them.
[03:50] <hybrid> yfir: but ppl still come in here and ask
[03:50] <toresbe> "The Z80 quickly took over from the 8080 in the market, and became the most popular 8-bit CPU of all time - indeed, if one takes the absolute size of the market into account, the most successful CPU ever."
[03:50] <regeya> nowadays it is, EvilIdler.  I've also seen times when it's been good. but not recently
[03:50] <hybrid> yfir: it is like the faq spoken when aasked
[03:51] <whiskers> the 8080 series went to 8086,8088,80186,80286,80386,80486, etc...and the z80 went nowhere
[03:51] <apokryphos> Arnia: and, well, I've had loads of happy campers. Though, admittedly, I often add a note explaining the link.
[03:51] <Arnia> apokryphos: I'm not saying *I* see it as that... but I've been in enough communities to know how others perceive it
[03:51] <toresbe> whiskers: don't mess with me, I'm the champion of obscure classic computing knowledge :P
[03:51] <whiskers> toresbe, ok...i will stay out of it
[03:51] <EvilIdler> regeya: I've been a Debian user for a few years, but went to Ubuntu partly because of that lot
[03:51] <marska> Whiskers: Is this what I
[03:51] <Arnia> apokryphos: Like I said, it would be better as a client-side script for 'support staff' here
[03:51] <apokryphos> Arnia: I've seen it used, and I can't say I agree. No dejection was prevelant.
[03:51] <regeya> I remember joining #debian on freenode a few times and getting a message from the bot about security updates.  that was nice.
[03:51] <hybrid> toresbe : lol
[03:51] <marska> Whiskers: Is this what I'm looking for? usb 1-1: new low speed USB device using address 3
[03:51] <apokryphos> Arnia: just what is it you're proposing?
[03:51] <hybrid> toresbe: do you know cobol?
[03:52] <whiskers> marska, yes do you see the info in dmesg after the kernel picks up the cd
[03:52] <whiskers> when plugged in
[03:52] <marska> There is no other information.
[03:52] <marska> No device listing.
[03:52] <regeya> I think Arnia's proposing bot-like things in clients...right Arnia?
[03:52] <Arnia> apokryphos: Turn your bot into a script for IRC clients. Then people interested in doing support can download it if they want to save time hunting for links
[03:52] <regeya> I don't see a big distinction, but whatever
[03:52] <whiskers> there should be....for example i see /dev/sdax assigned by  kernel when i plug in the usb harddrive
[03:53] <whiskers> pay close attention to dmesg
[03:53] <Arnia> regeya: Its the humanity distinction... it also means that that trolls would have to take effort to abuse the system
[03:53] <marska> You mena under fdisk?
[03:53] <marska> mean even
[03:53] <toresbe> hybrid: yes I do :)
[03:53] <hybrid> we deffiantly need the bot to have links. like wiki popular forum post. release links mail list etc
[03:53] <yfir> there are already faqs and a wiki and many other ways to get info. people come here to talk to other people.
[03:53] <hybrid> toresbe: lol
[03:54] <toresbe> hybrid: (no, really, I do)
[03:54] <regeya> Arnia: the only disadvantage is that you either have to write a number of different scripts for different clients.  Or just run a bot...I dunno, I've decided to not side with you :-)
[03:54] <apokryphos> Arnia: (i) I don't know how to do that; (ii) it should be reasonably obvious that the majority of the time the people asking questions, who'll get a link posted to, are complete newbies. Why would they have already downloaded this?
[03:54] <hybrid> yfir: if you are soo against it when voting time comes vote against it
[03:54] <yfir> there is no need to automate this channel as well
[03:54] <apokryphos> Arnia: can't say I completely understand what it is. Do you have an example of where this is used?
[03:54] <hybrid> toresbe: kool. what was it used for?
[03:54] <yfir> hybrid: haha, no I'm not actually "soooo" against it, just talking about it
[03:54] <Arnia> apokryphos: No! Not for newbies
[03:54] <marska> Whisker: May I PM you?
[03:54] <apokryphos> yfir: You keep blindly making the same claims. Either substantiate them or retract.
[03:54] <toresbe> hybrid: accounting and so on. It's a really ugly language, I learned it because I was very bored :P
[03:54] <Arnia> apokryphos: For those people wanting to do support
[03:54] <libben> I just recived a 90 mb rar file... I take it its packed with like winrar 3.4xx newest version.... what do i do for that ? can i integrate any pluings for the archive manager ? or something else ?
[03:54] <hybrid> yfir: i am not trying to be disrespectful
[03:55] <apokryphos> Arnia: I must be completely misunderstanding what this is. Example, anywhere?
[03:55] <Arnia> apokryphos: Basically, you'd type in a shortcut code and it would paste the link into your chat box
[03:55] <hybrid> toresbe: well they say borem is a hackers worst enemy:P
[03:55] <Arnia> apokryphos: A friend of mine has google wired up in his IRC client
[03:55] <apokryphos> Arnia: and then you'd copy and then paste into the channel?
[03:55] <yfir> apokryphos: again, there is already a faq a wiki and other sources of online information. people come to this channel to speak about their problems with other people. no need for bots here
[03:55] <EvilIdler> libben: There should be a command-line RAR for Linux that can unpack it
[03:56] <Arnia> apokryphos: He just types "? search terms" into his chat entry box and it expands to the first link found on google
[03:56] <Arnia> apokryphos: No pasting... it just appears there
[03:56] <regeya> as long as you have a mature problem running the bot, and you don't let any old jerk add definitions (if you choose to implement "foo, tell bar about baz")
[03:56] <libben> but its packed with winrar 3.4 allmost certain of it... will rar be able to extract it.
[03:56] <apokryphos> yfir: Repeating something does not change its truth-value. Secondly, a lot of the members that come in here (i) don't know of the wiki's existence, (ii) have trouble locating things, (iii) not all links link to the guide or the wiki
[03:56] <hybrid> yfir: but not everyone does that. al a n00bs they just come in here and talk away
[03:56] <Anusien> well that was interesting.  I followed the directions to change desktop resolutions (on a live CD) and it killed the windows manager as expected, and it knocked me to a text-mode login.  What is the login name/pass on a live CD?
[03:56] <whiskers> libben, well gentoo has an unrar source file...i suggest you look into it
[03:56] <marska> Whisker: May I PM you?
[03:56] <EvilIdler> libben: One thing is certain: If anything CAN unrar it, it has to be official rar. Try the homepage - they do a Linux port themselves.
[03:56] <apokryphos> Arnia: well, I can use google with him too.
[03:57] <apokryphos> %google ubuntu
[03:57] <Pyre> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ - Ubuntu - Welcome to Ubuntu
[03:57] <Arnia> For the record, I'm not against bots per se, just against using them in such a way that the channel becomes merely a 'pass someone over to the bot' place
[03:57] <Anusien> Anyone know what the login name/password is for a live CD?
[03:57] <whiskers> libben, they have unzip, unrar, unace,etc...these linux people are UNREAL
[03:57] <apokryphos> Arnia: Total agreement.
[03:57] <marska> Pyre: There is a Ubuntu New Users guide. I'd assume what you guys would want to do is change the order for most asked questions in this channel.
[03:57] <Arnia> apokryphos: I have no doubt you can use your bot like that
[03:58] <hybrid> Arnia: yes we use the bot to store links and very common questions
[03:58] <Arnia> apokryphos: But that isn't the point... the point is that its the bot that answers, not you
[03:58] <etzerd> Perk are you still there?
[03:58] <EvilIdler> Good bot: Translator.
[03:58] <toresbe> Arnia: I agree very much
[03:58] <niran> is pointing people to the wiki really so much of a chore that a bot is necessary?
[03:58] <apokryphos> Arnia: I understand what you mean, and that would perhaps be a better solution. I have no idea how to do that though.
[03:58] <etzerd> I have a question
[03:58] <apokryphos> Arnia: No, it's me that answers
[03:58] <toresbe> Arnia: did you get my trial comment?
[03:58] <Arnia> apokryphos: There are scripts around already... give me some time and I'll find them for you
[03:58] <apokryphos> Arnia: the bot just gives the full information -- retrieves what I already know to work
[03:58] <regeya> what sort of bot is that
[03:59] <Arnia> toresbe: No
[03:59] <apokryphos> marska: talking to bots can be tiresome ;-)
[03:59] <etzerd> everytime I tried to load Mplayer I can see it minimize on the taskbar with the hourglas turning upside down the after a while it's just vanish never load Mplayer
[03:59] <niran> this whole bot thing can only lead to bad places
[03:59] <toresbe> Arnia: I suggested I put the bot here for about two weeks to a month and see how it works out
[03:59] <niran> i.e. #debian is generally regarded as an unfriendly place
[03:59] <apokryphos> niran: Care to justify that?
[03:59] <Anusien> Anyone know what the login name/password is for a live CD?
[03:59] <marska> Bots are better than people.
[03:59] <Dreamer3> my laptop does not realize when i plug it back in
[03:59] <niran> while #ubuntu is fairly welcoming
[03:59] <marska> Its like the first level of an attack.
[03:59] <toresbe> niran: that's because of the fucking elitist bastards who are there
[03:59] <hybrid> toresbe Arnia apokryphos: do we all agree that we should have a bot in here fo a month. then let ppl vote on to keep it lose it or modify it?
[03:59] <marska> You have the bots = cannon fodder for n00bs
[03:59] <niran> people like being helped by people
[03:59] <Dreamer3> i have to run /etc/acpi/power.sh manually, and the gnome taskbar still doesn't realize it's plugged in
[03:59] <Xeon3D> Anusien: ubuntu\ubuntu ?
[04:00] <toresbe> niran: constantly feeding the bots with stupid factoids
[04:00] <Arnia> apokryphos: Yes, but how do people know that? How would you feel if everytime you asked a question you just got shuffled off to a bot?
[04:00] <marska> Regulars = Surly, misunderstood geek types = Captains
[04:00] <apokryphos> hybrid: I've already had my bot in here for more than a month. Not a single person has complained.
[04:00] <Anusien> xeon: could be it.  thanks
[04:00] <niran> yeah, what arnia said
[04:00] <toresbe> niran: I can't tell you how angry I get when mwilson (head asshole) starts insulting people
[04:00] <Arnia> hybrid: I don't agree actually :)
[04:00] <niran> when someone tries to ask a question that the bot should've answered, people will be like "listen to the bot!" etc.
[04:00] <hybrid> i knew you wouldnt :P
[04:00] <niran> it's not worth it
[04:01] <apokryphos> Arnia: (i) people know that because my post appears above with "tell" in it; basic English is a presupposition of mine in the member, yes.
[04:01] <apokryphos> niran: yes, it is.
[04:01] <toresbe> Arnia: what matters to me and probably the newbs is that the answer at all gets to you
[04:01] <Dreamer3> anyone know hwo to get gnome to wake up and realize i'm plugged in?
[04:01] <Dreamer3> does it poll, or what?
[04:01] <apokryphos> Arnia: (ii) It's not that "every time you ask a question you're shuffled off to a bot". I think a bot should be used when I would give the person a link
[04:01] <hybrid> let us just get the general aproval of the people normally in here that we should have a 1 month trial followed by a voting
[04:01] <niran> how about if the people who want the bot just not answer people's questions?
[04:01] <niran> there are plently of people around willing to help
[04:01] <apokryphos> Arnia: this just shortens the time and effort from my side.
[04:02] <niran> and i think the result is better than what you'd get with a bot
[04:02] <hybrid> Arnia: you dont agree? woo miss read you. why is that?
[04:02] <Arnia> apokryphos: Visibley shortens the effort
[04:02] <apokryphos> niran: how about if you either justify your position or stop carrying on making vacuous claims?
[04:02] <Arnia> hybrid: I still am not convinced the cost/benefit analysis is encouraging
[04:02] <Marble2> what do I need to get totem to play .wmv files?
[04:02] <yfir> I think you'd have to demonstrate that a bot could help new users better (or as well as) the other people here. Doubt one could.
[04:02] <apokryphos> Arnia: Is that supposed to be a negative thing?
[04:02] <niran> apokryphos, i'm not trying to attack anyone here, and i already stated my reasoning
[04:02] <niran> having a bot gives people something they can shuffle off questions to
[04:02] <apokryphos> niran: Well point it out dear friend; I see it nowhere.
[04:03] <hybrid> Arnia: it would just be like a storage place for links and faq
[04:03] <hybrid> whats so wrong
[04:03] <niran> when people would be better served by actual people answering questions
[04:03] <Xeon3D> PEOPLEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!! I THINK THAT IF YOU WANNA DISCUSS THE BOT THING USE ANOTHER #... THIS # IS FOR HElPING UBUNTU USERS, NOT DISCUSSING BOTS.
[04:03] <niran> plus, it's a duplciation of the search function on the wiki
[04:03] <kdp> Xeon3D: thank god
[04:03] <Arnia> apokryphos: That's it... it isn't a negative thing for geeks and techies who are typically obsessed with efficiency. It is a bad thing for normal humans who feel that their concerns are embarassingly trivial
[04:03] <saber_> i'm having problems installing ubuntu: it does not properly instates one of the NIC packages. I have a Realtek 8139. How can I get past this error?
[04:03] <apokryphos> niran: I find it highly suspect when people try to say that bots should not be used because they *could* be abused in a particular fashion. That's like saying no-one should ahve knives because you *could* stab someone with them.
[04:04] <niran> apokryphos, i just don't think it's worth the risk
[04:04] <yfir> apokryphos: basic question is: why have bots? how do they help? they can do nothing that other users here can't do or are unwilling to do
[04:04] <Xeon3D> If you want to discuss whether this channel should have a bot or not please Join #ubuntubot
[04:04] <hybrid> well lets have multiple people have controll over it...
[04:04] <apokryphos> Arnia: I disagree. I'm not techie or expert geek; my knowledge of many linux subjects is *very* primitive. When someone gives me a link I'm encouraged
[04:04] <kbrooks> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=145675 < Almost insane for "tech support Q & A"?
[04:04] <hybrid> lets hit ubuntubot
[04:05] <apokryphos> yfir: I really wish you'd stop asking the same question, particularly after I've answered it directly, to you, several times.
[04:05] <kdp> kbrooks: LOL
[04:05] <Marble2> what do I need to get totem to play .wmv files?
[04:05] <kbrooks> yeah
[04:05] <Xeon3D> Marble2. wait a sec pls
[04:05] <kbrooks> very funny
[04:05] <yfir> apokryphos: actually, you've said nothing about it other than they can collect links.
[04:05] <holycow> hybrid, hahaha
[04:05] <kdp> taking over the world, one baby at a time
[04:05] <holycow> kbrooks, even
[04:05] <apokryphos> yfir: niran join me and Arnia in #ubuntubot
[04:05] <marska> kdp: Would that be your baby?
[04:06] <ifrflyer> Hi, i'm running an instal on anAveratec 3300 and hanging at "setting up powernowd (0.90-3ubuntu13). Any thoughts anyone?
[04:06] <Xeon3D> Marble2: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22860 <- check this topic.
[04:06] <kdp> marska: what? im talking aobut the ms link
[04:06] <hybrid> holycow ?
[04:06] <hybrid> happy Xeon3D?
[04:06] <ifrflyer> Sorry, installing hoary
[04:06] <holycow> bad nick completion hybrid
[04:06] <Xeon3D> very hybrid
[04:06] <hybrid> :)
[04:07] <Marble2> thanks
[04:07] <hybrid> holycow what do you mean?
[04:07] <holycow> just ignore it, it wasn't meant for you
[04:07] <Xeon3D> Marble2 : that script that's on that page, sets up the videocodecs package and some more things.
[04:08] <libben> how do  i do  complete remove with apt-get remove program? im tired of firing up synaptic all the time.
[04:08] <kbrooks> libben, --purge
[04:08] <ifrflyer> apt-get remove package
[04:08] <Xeon3D> finally back to normal.
[04:08] <ScArcher2> does anyone know how to disable gpg in apt
[04:09] <ScArcher2> or tell it to just use a site no matter what?
[04:09] <UbuntuFool> hello folks
[04:09] <UbuntuFool> how do i save this channel to my faves?
[04:09] <SirGrok> Hey guys, I need a little help... I was updating my dist to 5.04 when my computer crashed (it crashed a good deal into the update). I have managed to get onto the OS under rescue mode, but I can't get in on regular mode. My xserver isn't up and running. (improperly configured)
[04:09] <ScArcher2> Reading package lists... Done
[04:09] <ScArcher2> W: GPG error: http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de mplayer/ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 6F55E43F840A7FF6
[04:09] <ScArcher2> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[04:09] <ScArcher2> archer@mini:~$
[04:09] <ifrflyer> Hi, i'm running an instal on anAveratec 3300 and hanging at "setting up powernowd (0.90-3ubuntu13). Any thoughts anyone?
[04:09] <SirGrok> I have run sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.
[04:10] <SirGrok> Also hotplugging is giving me errors everytime I reboot.
[04:10] <libben> so if i wanna remove rar complete ... just apt-get --purge rar ?
[04:11] <EvilIdler> libben: Or dpkg --purge rar
[04:11] <Marble2> Where is my xine config located?
[04:11] <SirGrok> Marble2, I think it is in the .etc.xine folder
[04:11] <mdz> ScArcher2: that's a warning
[04:11] <Xeon3D> ScArcher2: altough its not recomended, you can edit the /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/gpg-checker.conf file and change GPG::Check true; to GPG::Check false;
[04:11] <Marble2> .etc.xine is located where?
[04:12] <SirGrok> Marble2 I meant /etc/xine
[04:12] <ScArcher2> i just want it to work once so i can get mplayer working
[04:12] <Marble2> I don't see anything about xine in /etc
[04:12] <EvilIdler> ScArcher2: That happens to me on pretty much all the repositories that have mplayer and similar tools.
[04:12] <Xeon3D> Marble2: your config file for xine is under ~/.xine/config
[04:12] <SirGrok> Marble2 I lied. Sorry.
[04:13] <Marble2> Xeon3D: there is no config folder in ~/.xine
[04:13] <Xeon3D> Marble2: strange I got one.
[04:13] <Marble2> greg@Greg:~/.xine $ ls
[04:13] <Marble2> catalog.cache
[04:13] <Xeon3D> root@Server:/home/xeon/.xine # ls
[04:13] <Xeon3D> catalog.cache  config  keymap  win32registry
[04:14] <SirGrok> Anyone have any ideas for me?
[04:14] <Xeon3D> ScArcher2: altough its not recomended, you can edit the /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/gpg-checker.conf file and change GPG::Check true; to GPG::Check false;
[04:14] <Xeon3D> erm
[04:14] <Xeon3D> sorry.
[04:14] <ScArcher2> sok :) thanks
[04:15] <Xeon3D> SirGrok: sorry... my linux knowledge is not good enough to help you out.
[04:15] <Xeon3D> Marble2: are you sudoing xine?
[04:15] <skreet> if i have two sound cards installed and a program asks the "device" i want to use, how do i tell it to use my second card.. it's not "1"
[04:15] <SirGrok> Xeon3D: I am a n00b too (about 7 months)
[04:15] <skreet> how do i know the *name* of my 2nd card.. i guess is what im asking.
[04:16] <libben> i downloaded the rar 3.5 from the site... now... i only type ./configure && make && make install ? and then its installed ?
[04:16] <Marble2> Xeon3D: huh?
[04:16] <Xeon3D> libben: I think it's already a binary.. so you should just put it under /usr/bin or any other path in your %path enviroment.
[04:16] <Marble2> what do you mean sudoing xine
[04:16] <Xeon3D> if you start it like "sudo xine"
[04:16] <Marble2> no
[04:17] <SirGrok> I am going to go try to configure it... I may just reinstall.
[04:17] <libben> Xeon3D, not really. was a tarball i downloaded... and its filled with makefile and things like that
[04:17] <kdp> oops
[04:17] <Dreamer3> ok, can anyone help... graphics/fonts don't look near as crisp on my new system as my laptop... same LCD, same 15-pin vga, but you can see the color bleed with the desktop...
[04:17] <Dreamer3> anye ideas?
[04:18] <meng> i lost my mouse's ability to use the scroll wheel
[04:19] <Dreamer3> ok, can anyone help... graphics/fonts don't look near as crisp on my new system as my laptop... same LCD, same 15-pin vga, but you can see the color bleed with the desktop...
[04:19] <meng> can anyone help?
[04:19] <Dreamer3> ok, can anyone help... graphics/fonts don't look near as crisp on my new system as my laptop... same LCD, same 15-pin vga, but you can see the color bleed with the desktop... any ideas?
[04:19] <Xeon3D> libben, if you check the tarball there are 4 executables inside of it.
[04:19] <Xeon3D> so you don't need to compile.
[04:19] <Dreamer3> we're talking AA fonts in a gnome terminal, grey on white...
[04:20] <jola1827> I am running 2.6.10-k7-smp kernel with an ATI graphics card.   The only way I can get X to be somewhat stable is deleting the /etc/xorg.conf file and having everything probe (I loose mouse wheel scroll and 24-bit colors)... I still will experience hangs intermittently though.  I've pinpointed it down to the ATI card... possibly a bug?
[04:20] <asubedi> hey, how do i revert to the previous spatial mode in nautilus?
[04:20] <Xeon3D> libben: to install it just do make install
[04:20] <libben> i have default.sfx rar_static rar unrar
[04:20] <libben> yeah there is a file called that in the folder
[04:20] <libben> but whats the ./configure and all that for then ?
[04:21] <Xeon3D> you don't need it
[04:21] <Xeon3D> you only need configure if you're compiling something
[04:21] <Aisi> libben: why don't you use the rar in the multiverse repo? i assume you use ubuntu
[04:22] <meng> asubedi - Gconf editor
[04:22] <libben> yes. its to old for me... i need 3.4 version atleast.. from multi its 3.3
[04:22] <meng> apps - nautilus
[04:22] <asubedi> meng: what setting do i change?
[04:22] <Aisi> ahhh. 3.3 incompatible with some file?
[04:22] <libben> Xeon3D, so what do i do now ? just put it all into /usr/bin ?
[04:22] <libben> and then its good
[04:22] <libben> Aisi, yes
[04:22] <Xeon3D> libben: type make install
[04:23] <Aisi> poor you. oh well, good luck
[04:23] <Xeon3D> it'll install the binaries on the correct places. :D
[04:23] <meng> asubedi: have gconf running
[04:23] <joaquinz> hey, is there any way to change the background of a tty?
[04:23] <joaquinz> without using bootsplash?
[04:23] <Dreamer3> should i just settle for less clear text on my desktop?
[04:24] <etzerd> Hello Peck are you still there?
[04:24] <thinhthang> *help* I just started to install Ubuntu (i386) on my old computer.  It partitioned my drive and then it stopped at 100% and it's been at that screen for like the past 30 minutes.  Should I just restart and try again?
[04:24] <meng> asubedi: from the tree view, apps - nautilus - preferences
[04:24] <joaquinz> ?
[04:24] <Xeon3D> joaquinz: I haven't got a clue.
[04:24] <meng> it's the first option under preferences
[04:25] <Xeon3D> thinhthang: you could try... altough it may do the same... you should check for a bogus cd... or faulty hardware
[04:25] <Xeon3D> just reboot it and see if it works.
[04:25] <etzerd> Can anyone tell me why I cannot load Mplayer using ubuntu
[04:25] <whiskers> what is with all those djvu files...what is so special about djvu
[04:25] <joaquinz> Xeon3d : :( im using usplash, and it is fine, but it doesnt change the background of the tty like bootsplash does
[04:25] <thinhthang> I just downloaded the CD off bittorrent and burnt it using Roxio Toast on my Powerbook.
[04:26] <Armageddo> when is ubuntu final due out?
[04:26] <thinhthang> it verified properly as well, so I'll just restart it and see what happens
[04:26] <Marble2> how do I untar a .tar.bz2
[04:26] <whiskers> Marble2, bunzip2 filename
[04:26] <Xeon3D> Armageddo: 8th april
[04:26] <libben> Tells me this now... in the rar folder... i have a file called Makefile and then the 4 excuting files.... bash: /usr/bin/unrar: No such file or directory
[04:26] <Armageddo> thanks
[04:26] <whiskers> then tar -xvf
[04:26] <Xeon3D> Marble2:  tar jxvf- file.tar.bz2
[04:26] <libben> how do i undo the mistake i made
[04:26] <jola1827> thinhthang: move through your virtual terminals (ctrl-alt F3 - F6) and see if there are any error messages.
[04:27] <Xeon3D> libben ? sorry...
[04:27] <kkathman> Marble2, are you trying to extract gimpshop by any chance?
[04:27] <libben> it also told me it created folders in /usr/bin
[04:27] <Marble2> kkathman: no
[04:27] <asubedi> meng: which preference to set there?
[04:27] <kkathman> ah ok
[04:27] <thinhthang> ok
[04:27] <kkathman> hehe
[04:27] <whiskers> kkathman, gimpshop is not worth it....it is too complicated to use
[04:27] <Marble2> thanks whiskers  and Xeon3D
[04:27] <Xeon3D> np
[04:27] <kkathman> whiskers im used to Photoshop and it isnt that hard for me
[04:28] <meng> always_use_browser (uncheck that)
[04:28] <whiskers> kkathman, hah...it is easier to just go download a picture than to draw one
[04:28] <kkathman> whiskers, true that!
[04:28] <asubedi> meng: that's unchecked
[04:29] <libben> Xeon3D, http://www.pastebin.com/267274
[04:29] <whiskers> anyway gimpshop looks nice on ubuntu...but uh i don't know if anything really works
[04:29] <whiskers> because i don't know how to use it
[04:29] <meng> asubedi: that's odd
[04:29] <meng> that was the first thing i checked on gconf
[04:29] <whiskers> the only thing i use gimp for is to scan in pictures from cameras and pages from scanners and print them in beautiful color
[04:30] <ke4nt> where might I find some info on using fluxbox in ubuntu ?
[04:30] <meng> i never liked spatial
[04:30] <libben> Xeon3D, was that right way to do it ? cause when i try to type rar it tells me its not in there
[04:30] <whiskers> that is all i know how to do with gimp
[04:30] <asubedi> meng: i mean i don't want the nautilus to close the previous window when I double click a folder
[04:30] <jola1827> Anyone have success with SMP kernel, ATI Graphics card, and Xorg?
[04:30] <skreet> jola1827, I never had any problems, aside from the ones incured with ATIs drivers
[04:30] <Xeon3D> libben yes.. now try /usr/local/bin/unrar
[04:31] <Xeon3D> or.. you can just go cp /usr/local/bin/* /usr/bin/
[04:31] <meng> window_always_new
[04:32] <jola1827> skreet: what driver should I use in my xorg.conf?  or is there a way to get the system to probe for just the video driver and let me specify my other devices in xorg.conf?
[04:32] <kkathman> whiskers,  well, I use Photoshop extensively to do web graphics so, I need to have it..so I keep it on my WIn box for right now
[04:32] <skreet> jola1827, there is no probing, and use fglrx, the only 3d accelorated ati driver available
[04:32] <meng> asubedi: i never used spatial, so i can't really help u
[04:33] <ke4nt> any chance for FLUXBOX ? it's not in synaptic..  maybe another repository ???
[04:33] <jola1827> skreet thanks, I'll give it a try.
[04:34] <blizah> hoary finale = the 7th?
[04:34] <libben> Xeon3D, I have putted the files wrong and now its messed up? how do i do if i wanna remove everything i made on this rar thing =)
[04:34] <Dreamer3> ok
[04:34] <whiskers> kkathman, well if you can afford $700...go ahead...but not me
[04:34] <whiskers> i don't need it
[04:35] <Xeon3D> libben:  you did what was right.. the installer tho copies them to a wrong place.
[04:35] <whiskers> i just download stuff
[04:35] <Dreamer3> are there any NICE remote desktop type applications... something like windows XP has... full-screen little bar on top showing me what i'm connected to?
[04:35] <Dreamer3> i'd be in heaven
[04:35] <libben> yeah.. just checked the folder /usr/local/bin .. it was only rar and unrar there
[04:35] <Arnia> Dreamer3: VNC?
[04:35] <Xeon3D> libben: to fix it type cp /usr/local/bin/* /usr/bin/
[04:35] <skreet> Dreamer3, you can do it without the little bar..
[04:35] <libben> so i just copie them to the /usr/bin?
[04:35] <libben> lol... im learning =)
[04:35] <libben> yeah baby!
[04:35] <MNKyDeth> is there a way I can blacklist modules from loading in Ubuntu? if so how?
[04:36] <skreet> MNKyDeth, If you dont tell them to load, the wont.
[04:36] <libben> 2 more months.. and i might be able to write cert courses =)
[04:36] <skreet> MNKyDeth, Example?
[04:36] <Dreamer3> Arnia: yes, vnc :)
[04:36] <Dreamer3> Arnia: using gnomes remote desktop feature
[04:36] <MNKyDeth> it detected my onboard sound chip, I'll never use it
[04:36] <whiskers> since i have never seen photoshop i really can't say...but gimpshop is a little nice for a free program
[04:36] <PecK> etzerd, yes
[04:36] <whiskers> kkathman, but if you can afford $700 for photoshop go ahead
[04:36] <Dreamer3> have to reboot again, usb keeps dying
[04:36] <Dreamer3> :(
[04:37] <Xeon3D> gimpshop is just gimp with a "windows" interface.
[04:37] <skreet> gimp is decent..
[04:37] <MNKyDeth> module snd_ice1724, but I don't know wich file Ubuntu is using for it's modules, modprobe or modules
[04:37] <Xeon3D> MNKyDeth: disable it in the bios?
[04:37] <skreet> /etc/modules
[04:37] <kkathman> whiskers,  well I have a good business, and its a necessary tool. But I cant afford ANOTHER 700 (I didnt pay 700 for it anyway)
[04:37] <MNKyDeth> it is
[04:37] <skreet> iirf
[04:37] <MNKyDeth> it still put it in
[04:37] <skreet> iirc*
[04:38] <MNKyDeth> same with the onboard silicone image driver
[04:38] <skreet> MNKyDeth, Is that your onboard sound?
[04:38] <MNKyDeth> disabled in bios but still loaded
[04:38] <kkathman> whiskers, but I got this theory that if I use my win box for web graphics...thats a good use for it lol
[04:38] <Xeon3D> libben: there was another way to fix that .. heh
[04:38] <skreet> if it's disabled in bios then the module wont load because it ownt find the hardware
[04:38] <libben> Xeon3D, tell me =)
[04:38] <MNKyDeth> yeah, the snd_ice1724 is my onboard sound, I have an Audigy2zs I normally use
[04:38] <ke4nt> Hello Houston....
[04:39] <libben> and btw,... this way i just did... it was the wrong way.. right ? cause i have no man rar or man unrar =) etc etc
[04:39] <fangorious> is there a way to specify a titlebar icon for specific applications on a per-user basis?
[04:39] <Crane> hello
[04:39] <kkathman> BuffaloSoldier, greetings sir!!
[04:39] <skreet> Everything after SBLive was icky..
[04:39] <skreet> imho
[04:39] <skreet> MNKyDeth, Anyway, you've surpassed my knowledge, sorry :D
[04:39] <Xeon3D> libben: edit the Makefile file and change PREFIX=/usr/local to PREFIX=/usr and delete the two mkdir lines.
[04:39] <Crane> I have a silly question
[04:39] <fangorious> Crane, just ask
[04:39] <kkathman> Crane, I have a silly answer :)
[04:40] <Crane> what do I need to run ro reconfig X?
[04:40] <libben> Xeon3D, and then run make file again ?
[04:40] <Crane> I add a new card
[04:40] <MNKyDeth> skreet, my Silicone Image sata controller is disabled and so is my onboard sound chip though, and my serial ports and printer ports and Ubuntu still picked them up lol
[04:40] <Xeon3D> yup.
[04:40] <libben> so it corrects and do the right things ?
[04:40] <Xeon3D> libben: you don't need it now.
[04:40] <skreet> MNKyDeth, That doesnt even make sence.
[04:40] <skreet> But uh, I guess it's possible
[04:40] <Crane> went from pci to agp now x doesn't work
[04:40] <Xeon3D> libben: as you did it manually, but it is another way of doing the same thing.
[04:40] <libben> Xeon3D, no =) but i wanna learn and learn and learn... and do it right
[04:40] <skreet> Crane, what kind of card did you install?
[04:41] <Crane> nvidia
[04:41] <skreet> what did you have before?
[04:41] <Xeon3D> MNKyDeth: check /etc/modules file to see if the module name is in there, if so, delete it.
[04:41] <MNKyDeth> k
[04:41] <Crane> I had nvidia before just pci
[04:41] <skreet> okay
[04:41] <skreet> are on the machine now?
[04:41] <Xeon3D> libben: that's two ways of rightly doing the same thing.
[04:41] <Crane> nope
[04:41] <Crane> have it hooked by KVM
[04:41] <skreet> well how am i supposed to help ya? :P
[04:41] <skreet> turn it on.
[04:41] <fangorious> Crane, I've never used them, but xorgcfg and xorgconfig are the default utilities to configure X
[04:41] <libben> ooh... why would i delete the two mkdir lines ?
[04:42] <skreet> "sudo nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[04:42] <BuffaloSoldier> kkathman, how are you sir?
[04:42] <scott> anyone know if the hoary release on the 6th will have a different login splash/backgrounds? if it does, will everything like that take effect with just apt-get dist-upgrade?
[04:42] <libben> i would still needed to copy the files to the right place...
[04:42] <Crane> cool
[04:42] <Crane> I think just changing from pci to agp messed it up
[04:42] <airmikey> the c compiler isnt loaded
[04:42] <skreet> X just fails to load right?
[04:42] <fangorious> Crane, it might be as simple as changing the driver listed in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:42] <airmikey> ?
[04:42] <skreet> It's not the driver, it's the location more than likely.
[04:42] <Crane> the driver is nvidia
[04:42] <Xeon3D> libben: the two mkdir lines are for making a directory that already exists.. so they are doing nothing.
[04:43] <skreet> Crane, Yes but what is the BusID?
[04:43] <Crane> yep thats what I thought, location
[04:43] <libben> yeah.. sorta understand... hmm.. but i got no man rar or man unrar
[04:43] <fangorious> Crane so you just went from a PCI nvidia to an AGP nvidia?
[04:43] <libben> would i get that if i did a proper installation ?
[04:43] <Xeon3D> scott: not sure.. of both questions.
[04:43] <etzerd> nobody cannot tell me why I cannot load Mplayer in ubuntu?
[04:43] <Crane> thmmm... hang on I'll get it
[04:43] <skreet> etzerd, That depends on the error you're getting.
[04:43] <Crane> fangorious, yep
[04:44] <Xeon3D> etzerd: mplayer (the terminal version) loads up fine here.
[04:44] <airmikey> IS THERE LIKE A YUM OR YAST HERE
[04:44] <Xeon3D> libben: there are no man pages for rar \ unrar
[04:44] <fangorious> airmikey, APT
[04:44] <fangorious> airmikey, and please don't yell
[04:44] <whiskers> libben, it is very simple....unrar filename
[04:44] <airmikey> hear plugs baby
[04:44] <whiskers> libben,  but do so in a work directory
[04:44] <Xeon3D> libben: rar \ unrar is not opensource.. and manpages for closed source software.. are scarce.
[04:45] <etzerd> skreet: no error at all. when I load it I can see it minimize on the task bar and the mouse hourglase is turning and turning then after while it just dissipear without loading Mplayer and no error display
[04:45] <skreet> etzerd, mplayer is a console app
[04:45] <Xeon3D> libben: if you type unrar --help | more you'll get something.
[04:45] <skreet> and it's loading, telling you to pass something
[04:45] <skreet> and closing
[04:45] <skreet> run "gmplayer", assuming you installed it.
[04:45] <helio7> has anyone ever run into that little flash charachter on a custom 404 on some linux site that says "page is not here...  so F... o.." I'm trying to remember where I saw it
[04:45] <libben> unrar x or unrar e
[04:45] <fangorious> anyone know how to specify what icon is used in the title bar for an application?
[04:45] <calc> there is an open source unrar in debian but its somewhat useless without v3 support
[04:45] <skreet> etzerd, gmplayer is the gui version of mpplayer
[04:45] <skreet> Crane, got that thing booted up yet?
[04:45] <apropos> I can't find anything in the help or on the website about allowing remote machines to print to a local printer in ubuntu. CUPS web admin asks for a user/pass, and I can't guess anything right.
[04:46] <Xeon3D> etzerd: go into a terminal and write "mplayer"
[04:46] <Crane> skreet, busID 0:16:0
[04:46] <whiskers> calc, all those are specialized gentoo stuff
[04:46] <etzerd>  ok let me do that
[04:46] <skreet> change it to "PCI:1:0:0"
[04:46] <skreet> You should be good.
[04:46] <whiskers> that is why gentoo is 80gigs
[04:46] <whiskers> for the installation
[04:46] <Crane> cool thanks
[04:46] <whiskers> but it takes months to install it
[04:46] <skreet> Crane, are you using the kernel modules nvidia with 3d accel?
[04:47] <libben> Xeon3D, mp3 plugin... wich one ? im trying the rythmbox player
[04:47] <skreet> You *may* have to reinstall it with the new card, i'm not sure, never upgraded a card like that, if it still doesnt work revert to the "nv" driver (the non-3d accel) and reinstall the nvidia-glx package.
[04:47] <Xeon3D> libben: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
[04:47] <Crane> skreet, yep
[04:47] <calc> i finally made a ubuntuforum account today so I am a n00b, heh :)
[04:48] <skreet> Crane, but give it a shot first, if it still fails, do what i said.
[04:48] <Crane> skreet, well I think I am
[04:48] <Crane> I used apt to install nvidia driver
[04:48] <skreet> Crane, you think you am what, working or still problematic?
[04:48] <PecK> who would recomment i distro upgrade to debian?
[04:48] <Crane> lol
[04:48] <PecK> update
[04:48] <Xeon3D> PecK: NONE
[04:48] <Crane> tell you in just a sec
[04:48] <skreet> Crane, Okay
[04:48] <calc> PecK: from which dist?
[04:48] <Xeon3D> Ubuntu is wayyyyy better than debian.
[04:49] <PecK> calc, from hoary
[04:49] <calc> PecK: heh
[04:49] <skreet> Ubuntu is way easier than debian.. lets not start a flamewar :D
[04:49] <calc> hoary is a lot more up to date than debian for desktop software
[04:49] <Crane> skreet, thanks alot, that got it
[04:49] <Xeon3D> true. this is not the place for flamewar.
[04:49] <skreet> Crane, np, enjoy :D
[04:49] <calc> as far as easier that is not really true
[04:49] <Xeon3D> *flamewars.
[04:49] <libben> btw, if i install beep-media-player... should i remove rythmbox?
[04:49] <PecK> lol k guys thx anyways
[04:49] <Crane> I really like the look of hoary
[04:50] <skreet> Xeon3D, What *is* the place for a flamewar :D
[04:50] <Crane> very sleek
[04:50] <Xeon3D> calc: I find it so, guess I should've added "IMHO" to my last sentence.
[04:50] <kkathman> BuffaloSoldier, I am well, sir, its good to see you again :)
[04:50] <Xeon3D> skreet: #flamewars
[04:50] <libben> i rarely listen to music like mp3's and so on... and i only need a small app like winamp sorta... xmms called in linux world?
[04:50] <calc> skreet: irc network on 127.0.0.1
[04:50] <Crane> quake3 runs good as well
[04:50] <skreet> Xeon3D, Are you serious? lol
[04:50] <Crane> :)
[04:50] <skreet> calc, loll
[04:50] <PecK> skreet, you can also try fight clubs
[04:50] <Xeon3D> skreet: nope.
[04:50] <skreet> PecK, heh.
[04:50] <Xeon3D> libben: xmms or bmp.
[04:50] <calc> Xeon3D: well the main differences with ubuntu is it has a few extra apps that aren't in debian and it automatically installs a LOT of software for you
[04:50] <skreet> Am I the only one who just did /join #flamewar ; #part
[04:50] <skreet> :D
[04:50] <calc> Xeon3D: in some cases that is good, in others (small systems) not
[04:50] <libben> xmms is better yes?
[04:50] <joaquinz> i've a very serious problem i cant fix
[04:50] <PecK> but then, i didn't tell you about those
[04:50] <libben> more popular?
[04:51] <libben> like winamp if i understand it right?
[04:51] <Xeon3D> calc: I know the differences but thanks for pointing me out.
[04:51] <joaquinz> i've asked a lot of times, i've searched with google a lot
[04:51] <joaquinz> and i cant find any solution...
[04:51] <skreet> joaquinz, Try again, maybe someone here can help ya
[04:51] <Xeon3D> libben use bmp, as it's a xmms fork with gtk2
[04:51] <joaquinz> ubuntu, doesnt detects my dvd-rom reader drive
[04:51] <calc> i noticed earlier today that there is supposedly a push for low footprint ubuntu as well
[04:51] <joaquinz> it should appear as /dev/hda , but it doesnt
[04:51] <skreet> joaquinz, during install?
[04:51] <libben> ok ... and uninstall rythmbox...
[04:51] <Xeon3D> libben: bmp is available from that script I showed u before.
[04:51] <joaquinz> no...
[04:52] <skreet> joaquinz, be sure it's not appearing as /dev/scd0, depending on the system config ubuntu may use scsi emulation
[04:52] <libben> Xeon3D, yeah... i had problems with another install of horay with it =) so i just manually takes the suggestions from there.
[04:52] <kkathman> joaquinz, are you on the live CD?
[04:52] <whiskers> this ubuntu has all the basics and without the headaches of trying to keep up a massive gentoo system
[04:52] <skreet> kkathman, no, he's post install
[04:52] <BuffaloSoldier> kkathman, everything's OK with your Ubuntu system?
[04:52] <Xeon3D> libben: really? the script worked perfectly on 2 brand new hoary installs here.
[04:52] <kkathman> skreet, I just wondered why it would expecting to be hda I guess
[04:52] <alainm> what is your guys view of ubuntu for the server environment?
[04:53] <skreet> kkathman, Alot of peopel arnt used to the new semi-standard scsi emulation has become
[04:53] <libben> hmm... weird. i
[04:53] <joaquinz> skreet : nop... there's no any scd0.. :(
[04:53] <kkathman> BuffaloSoldier, Absolutely, I built myself a new system and installed..up and running great
[04:53] <joaquinz> kkathman: nop
[04:53] <skreet> joaquinz, do an ls /dev/s* -- what do you get?
[04:53] <Xeon3D> joaquinz: /dev/hda normally is the first hard drive. (primary master)
[04:53] <kkathman> skreet ahh ok..thanks for that info
[04:53] <joaquinz> Xeon3d: i've a serial ata disk
[04:53] <libben> well.,.. i dident update from the update-notifier the whole 300+ packages list... maybe something with that
[04:53] <BuffaloSoldier> kkathman, glad everything's working fine for you :)
[04:53] <joaquinz> and my cd recorder is hdb
[04:53] <libben> allthough i cant see why that would affect that
[04:53] <skreet> joaquinz, I'm using serial ata as well
[04:53] <skreet> joaquinz, and my cd is /dev/scd0
[04:53] <Xeon3D> libben: you should...
[04:54] <skreet> joaquinz, what does /etc/fstab call your cdrom?
[04:54] <joaquinz> hda
[04:54] <skreet> hm
[04:54] <skreet> What kind of motherboard?
[04:54] <joaquinz> msi
[04:54] <libben> i should what ? the script for all nifty things or the update-notifier?
[04:54] <skreet> And what kind of SATA card/chip onboard?
[04:54] <skreet> ICH5 with ATA emulation?
[04:54] <joaquinz> mmm dont know...
[04:55] <skreet> I had an issue where I was using a board that would use my SATA as ATA
[04:55] <libben> cause on this fresh new install of horay since 30 hours back is fully updated all time with update-notifier
[04:55] <Xeon3D> libben: both.
[04:55] <skreet> and I set it to combined mode (both ATA and SATA active)
[04:55] <skreet> and it didnt see the 3rd set (IDE2: my cdrom)
[04:55] <joaquinz> skreet : and how can i do this?
[04:55] <AndyFitz> #fedora
[04:55] <AndyFitz> oops
[04:55] <skreet> joaquinz, It would be in your bios setup, under SATA, see how it's configured, look for "combined" or "enhanced" mode...
[04:55] <skreet> You just have the one SATA disk and a dvd-rom right?
[04:56] <Marble2> is it possible to set mplayer to loop files ?
[04:56] <Marble2> like any file I play
[04:56] <joaquinz> no, i ve a cdrw unit also
[04:56] <Marble2> it loops it once it's over
[04:56] <joaquinz> that works perfectly
[04:56] <joaquinz> without any problem
[04:56] <skreet> joaquinz, ... on the same chain as the dvd rom or no?
[04:56] <libben> what is the musiplayer called in apt ? cant find it under musicplayer or rythm
[04:56] <Fackamato> ,
[04:56] <joaquinz> ? what does the same chain mean?
[04:56] <Fackamato> xmms
[04:56] <skreet> joaquinz, Same cable..
[04:56] <joaquinz> mmm yeah... i think my dvd rom is master and the writer is slave
[04:57] <skreet> thats wierd... hmmmmmmmmm
[04:57] <libben> lol
[04:57] <libben> what a joke =)
[04:57] <skreet> other operating systems see the drive just fine?
[04:57] <joaquinz> maybe i should change it?
[04:57] <joaquinz> yeah
[04:57] <skreet> well..
[04:57] <skreet> what does the os call your cdrw, hdb?
[04:57] <libben> it sayts in synaptic =) rhytmbox plays oggs and mp3 fine
[04:57] <joaquinz> windows recognizes it without any problem
[04:57] <libben> yeah right
[04:57] <joaquinz> yeah
[04:57] <libben> wheres my mp3 playing
[04:57] <joaquinz> hdb
[04:57] <Xeon3D> Marble2: mplayer -loop file
[04:57] <skreet> joaquinz, Thats really wierd.
[04:58] <skreet> Did you install ubuntu off the dvd or cdrw?
[04:58] <skreet> out of curiosity
[04:58] <joaquinz> the dvd...
[04:58] <skreet> lol
[04:58] <skreet> Hmm
[04:58] <Xeon3D> libben: that's the package description for the normal mplayer package. Ubuntu's doesn't play mp3 because of licensing of the mp3 format.
[04:58] <skreet> And now theres no /dev/hda..
[04:58] <joaquinz> no :(
[04:58] <skreet> joaquinz, Well, unfortunatly i'm out of ideas :(
[04:59] <joaquinz> :(
[04:59] <libben> Xeon3D, ooh.. ok. so installing xmms would solve it?
[04:59] <skreet> Sorry, good luck's all i can say
[04:59] <joaquinz> i think i will trying changing the ide location...
[04:59] <Xeon3D> libben nope.
[04:59] <skreet> try #linux see if they can help..
[04:59] <skreet> worth a shot.
[04:59] <whiskers> skreet, i installed from preview torrent file
[04:59] <joaquinz> maybe if i put my cd as slave...
[04:59] <skreet> joaquinz, theoretically if both drives work in another os then they should work here... but theory isnt always practise.
[04:59] <Xeon3D> libben: you'll need gstremer-0.8mad for it.
[05:00] <whiskers> but i tell you ubuntu made one mistake that i see
[05:00] <skreet> ..ya?
[05:00] <whiskers> it seems to have formatted the hard drive in ext3 instead of reiser4 which the new kernel supports
[05:00] <libben> ok.. installing the gstreamer mad will fix that..
[05:00] <skreet> ext3 is standard right now.
[05:00] <whiskers> i would have like to see reiser4 with the new kernel
[05:00] <Xeon3D> whiskers: you can choose the fstype in the installation.
[05:00] <libben> but i dont like the huge buly program rhytmbox
[05:00] <skreet> whiskers, Did you check to see if it was an option?
[05:00] <libben> complete removal of it and installing xmms then
[05:01] <Xeon3D> libben: so install bmp
[05:01] <whiskers> skreet, no everything was automatic
[05:01] <skreet> libben, Try Amarok, it's pretty nice, deps a few KDE libs tho
[05:01] <Xeon3D> libben: install bmp instead of xmms.
[05:01] <skreet> whiskers, yes, but you *can* choose, probably.
[05:01] <whiskers> skreet, i did not do anything...it just installed perfectly in about 30 minutes
[05:01] <skreet> Xeon3D, They all suck, they'll all copying a shitty windows program :D
[05:01] <libben> =)
[05:01] <Xeon3D> I'm fine with bmp.
[05:01] <Xeon3D> skreet.
[05:01] <Zugot> i've installed my own custom version of k3b.   how do i keep it from being upgraded by apt-get?
[05:01] <skreet> Xeon3D, Just making more flamewars *grin*
[05:02] <son> uhhhh hi
[05:02] <calc> which kernel has reiser4?
[05:02] <skreet> son, .. hi son.
[05:02] <libben> so i need to install gstreamer mad also for bmp ill take it =)
[05:02] <son> ...............................
[05:02] <skreet> 2.6.9 adds it afaik
[05:02] <son> kernel?
[05:02] <whiskers> 2.6.10 should support reiser4
[05:02] <son> bmp?
[05:02] <whiskers> i would have like to seen it
[05:02] <son> gstreamer?
[05:02] <Xeon3D> son: what's your doubt?
[05:02] <son> uhh...
[05:02] <Xeon3D> libben: yes.. you have to.
[05:02] <son> doubt of what?
[05:02] <skreet> son, .. more importantly why are you here?
[05:02] <calc> erm i don't see it listed in the kernel modules dir
[05:03] <BuffaloSoldier> Luke, you're my son
[05:03] <son> lol
[05:03] <skreet> BuffaloSoldier, no, you've got it backwards! :P
[05:03] <libben> Xeon3D, if i wont say this before i hit the sack... and im not sure it will be soon anyway... ur a great helper... THXS alot !
[05:03] <BuffaloSoldier> :)
[05:03] <Xeon3D> libben: do to the others what you'd like others do to you. (or smth like that, I'm not english-fluent)
[05:04] <libben> last time i tinkered with linux... i only got MAN and google.com in my face... and that is really annoying when u dont know shit about precompiled kernels and bla bla bla
[05:04] <Dreamer3> i'm confused, anyone using nvidia here?
[05:04] <Xeon3D> Dreamer3: I am.
[05:04] <Dreamer3> Xeon3D: why do the instructions say i need restricted modules?  they don't seem to be a dependency of nvidia-glx...
[05:05] <skreet> Dreamer3, as am I
[05:05] <skreet> Dreamer3, They're not.. but you need it
[05:05] <Xeon3D> i'll pass that one to skreet as I'm using the old nvidia drivers.
[05:05] <jordanau> libben, Man and google are great resources if you take the time to read though, unfortuately they dont always give the answer you are looking for
[05:05] <skreet> Xeon3D, You're using the old drivers? How old?
[05:05] <Dreamer3> skreet: what does it provide, seems like if i had that i wouldn't need nvidia-glx?
[05:05] <EvilIdler> Dreamer3: restricted-modules contain the actual kernel module, while nvidia-glx sets up the devices and has the librariesa
[05:06] <skreet> Dreamer3, the decription of restricted modules tells you.. it provides the kernel MODULE nvidia
[05:06] <skreet> Dreamer3, nvidia-glx provides the xorg/free86 driver :D
[05:06] <skreet> Dreamer3, Driver interfaces with the module
[05:06] <skreet> Dreamer3, and you have 3d accel :D
[05:06] <Xeon3D> skreet the 66 smth.
[05:06] <Xeon3D> I think
[05:07] <skreet> Xeon3D, Hm, why?
[05:07] <Dreamer3> skreet: ah
[05:07] <Dreamer3> skreet: ok...
[05:07] <libben> jordanau, well... i know alot about reading man... i dident had internet on debain 2.4 kernel 4 cds installation... man... it was a bitch to get X running... and i dident until i got online. i dident had internet at that time... and trying to understand on compiling ur own kernel just to get nvidia drivers to work... well... i cried alot =) and made like 40 clean debian sarge installs...
[05:07] <Dreamer3> skreet: i got it now
[05:07] <skreet> Dreamer3, cool
[05:07] <Dreamer3> skreet: is it really as simple as: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable?
[05:07] <skreet> Dreamer3, yes, nvidia has GREAT linux support
[05:07] <jordanau> libben, how is ubuntu working for you?
[05:07] <libben> so it was MAN MAN MAN like all nites... reading from one doc to another... go to friends house and use is internet and download to mp3player =) it was a hussle =)
[05:07] <skreet> Dreamer3, Why i switched, :D
[05:08] <Xeon3D> skreet: sorry after all I'm using the 71.67 ones
[05:08] <skreet>         Identifier      "NVIDIA Corporation NV40 [GeForce 6800 GT] " < tax refund :D
[05:08] <skreet> Xeon3D, Heh, I think those are the newest.
[05:08] <Xeon3D> and it was as easy as sudo nvidia-glx-enabled :D
[05:08] <libben> I like it alot except it's alot like winxp with the Games u dont play except card game. and some programs that couldve been choosen diffrently ... but other than that.. ITS GREAT
[05:08] <Dreamer3> skreet: my fonts look like crap though :(
[05:09] <Xeon3D> uh-oh major update going on.
[05:09] <jordanau> libben, a little bloated for your taste?
[05:09] <skreet> Dreamer3, really?!
[05:09] <Nekohayo> what is it? what is it? ^^
[05:09] <skreet> Dreamer3, What card?
[05:10] <Dreamer3> skreet: vanta
[05:10] <whiskers> boy zsnes looks nice...too  bad i dont have any roms to test it
[05:10] <Dreamer3> skreet: the fonts are blurry looking
[05:10] <skreet> Dreamer3, They look better when not using the nvidia driver?
[05:10] <whiskers> they also need gnuboy and fakenes
[05:10] <jordanau> whiskers, shhhhh bittorrent
[05:10] <Dreamer3> skreet: not using the nvidia binary yet, but i don't expect it to improve things
[05:10] <Xeon3D> whiskers search google for "Index of" +Roms fileext=.smc
[05:10] <EvilIdler> wHisKy-:  Now, that looked like a big hint for people to pour ROMs on you :P
[05:10] <Xeon3D> oops :D
[05:10] <EvilIdler> Err..whiskers
[05:10] <skreet> Dreamer3, .. neither do i, thats very wierd.
[05:11] <libben> jordanau, yeah... but not much... its just that i came from debian and fluxbox and clean and small as possible... but overall... Ubuntu owns.. saves alot of hussle... u only need to remove and add ur own programs... and voila =)
[05:11] <EvilIdler> Damn this tab-completion. Where's the DWIM button?
[05:11] <Dreamer3> do i need/want nvidia-settings?
[05:11] <skreet> Dreamer3, Is it an LCD?
[05:11] <whiskers> nah...i don't want any roms...i had a few public domain roms some time ago on gentoo to test things....but i don't care about that stuff
[05:11] <Xeon3D> whiskers: there is fceu instead of fakenes
[05:11] <skreet> Dreamer3, It's neat, lets you config settings for gaming.
[05:11] <skreet> Dreamer3, Similar to windows nvidia control panel.
[05:11] <EvilIdler> Dreamer3: It can be useful - switching FSAA on and off is easier
[05:11] <skreet> Dreamer3, Is your monitor an LCD?
[05:11] <jordanau> libben, i have been loving it as well, my first actually succesful linux listro
[05:11] <Dreamer3> skreet: it's like the timing is off to my LCD...
[05:11] <MNKyDeth> has anyone had a problem constantly losing there USB keyboard and mouse functions? it seems very random but I can't seem to keep it working, I have to hit the reset button to bring them back
[05:11] <Dreamer3> skreet: yes
[05:11] <skreet> Dreamer3, What size is it?
[05:12] <Dreamer3> skreet: 19", 1280x1024
[05:12] <skreet> Dreamer3, And you're running at 1280 right?
[05:12] <Dreamer3> skreet: same screen i used with my laptop (both analog) and it's crystal clear
[05:12] <Dreamer3> skreet: yes, i have the right resolution ;-)
[05:12] <jordanau> whiskers, me niether but Mike Tysons Punchout is the shit
[05:12] <skreet> Dreamer3, Check your monitor documentation, some monitors only run well at a certain Hz
[05:13] <NoobUnbuntu> Hola  all, Has anybody had any issues with ac97 chipsets for sound ?
[05:13] <Dreamer3> skreet: it's being driven at the same exactly settings as the laptop uses to perfection
[05:13] <libben> how do i change the icon on beep-media-player ? in the Applications menu...
[05:13] <skreet> Dreamer3, Laptop also Ubuntu?
[05:13] <Dreamer3> bold looks VERY bold on this desktop though... is there some setting or am i just imagining that's it different from my laptop?
[05:13] <Dreamer3> skreet: yes, both ubuntu, both hoary :)
[05:14] <skreet> Dreamer3, Odd, the drivers are worth a shot.. what driver are you using now? (nv?)
[05:14] <Dreamer3> skreet: it doesn't look as bad as it did earlier... i flashed the BIOS and now my usb isn't dying all the time with IRQ errors :)
[05:14] <Xeon3D> libben: menu editors for the gnome menu, are buggy at the time...
[05:14] <Dreamer3> skreet: yeah, whatever it defaults to: likely nv :)
[05:14] <skreet> Dreamer3, I would think it would default to nv.
[05:14] <whiskers> jordanau, i don't know i never saw Mike Tyson...i stopped with the psx and nintendo 64 and dreamcast emus.
[05:15] <skreet> Dreamer3, Take a stab at vesa before install nvidia, see if that helps.
[05:15] <whiskers> i just don't care for any of that stuff
[05:15] <Dreamer3> skreet: though in all truth i'll be putting my 440mx card in this box once all the bugs are ironed out
[05:15] <Dreamer3> skreet: i'm thinking it may work better
[05:15] <whiskers> i lost it all when the gentoo hard drive crashed and i really dont have the space for all that stuff anymore
[05:15] <skreet> Dreamer3, could be a bad card?
[05:15] <Dreamer3> skreet: now all i need is anohter LCD screen for dual-head ;-)
[05:15] <jordanau> whiskers, it is for NES it is like the best game evar
[05:15] <skreet> Dreamer3, haha there ya go
[05:16] <whiskers> jordanau, if you want punchout check out openmortal on gentoo
[05:16] <Dreamer3> skreet: i love that i was able to flash this board WITHOUT booting from floppy... the flasher is built into the BIOS... just type the name of a file on the floppy
[05:16] <skreet> Dreamer3, yea, alot of boards are doing that now
[05:16] <libben> well... if i add it to the panel... ill get an icon for the BMP... but in the menu its no icon =)
[05:16] <skreet> Dreamer3, I still hate the fact I gotta use a floppy
[05:16] <jordanau> whiskers, never heard of it, i am googling
[05:16] <skreet> Dreamer3, I have one floppy drive for all like.. 7 of my computers
[05:16] <libben> so there is nowhere to define it even in file or something
[05:17] <EvilIdler> I don't do floppies, so I hope they come up with something better to flash the BIOS :/
[05:17] <skreet> Dreamer3, Well, time to drink nyquil and go to bed.. maybe shake this cold
[05:17] <whiskers> jordanau, well gentoo has thousands of games...that is why a gentoo install is 80gigs
[05:17] <skreet> EvilIdler, I usually make a bootable cd with a floppy image
[05:17] <whiskers> jordanau, but nobody can afford the hard drive space
[05:17] <skreet> EvilIdler, its faster than finding my floppy drive.
[05:17] <skreet> whiskers, a gentoo install is <200 MB
[05:17] <EvilIdler> skreet: Yeah, I do that if I desperately need an update. Haven't used floppy drives in six years.
[05:17] <skreet> whiskers, it's all the crap you add to it  :D
[05:18] <skreet> Well, goodnight all..
[05:18] <Dreamer3_> this box is SO fast :)
[05:18] <whiskers> skreet, nope...i worked on it for almost a year...and it was about 80gigs
[05:18] <Dreamer3_> love it
[05:18] <whiskers> when i last saw it
[05:18] <skreet> whiskers, GentooLinux is very small post-install :D
[05:18] <Xeon3D> libben: there is...
[05:18] <libben> btw, gnomebake.... well... what is this nautilus cd burner thing then ? should i remove it and install gnomebake
[05:18] <skreet> whiskers,  It did not magically become 80gb :D
[05:18] <whiskers> skreet, that is just the beginning
[05:18] <jordanau> whiskers, i definatley can't with all of this music and television shows
[05:18] <Dreamer3_> skreet: very small?
[05:18] <whiskers> it takes months to install gentoo
[05:18] <Dreamer3_> skreet: you mean COULD BE very small, but not likely :)
[05:18] <skreet> Dreamer3, Well, duh!
[05:18] <Dreamer3_> whiskers: *laughs*
[05:18] <whiskers> and a very big hard drive
[05:18] <skreet> You people keep talking to me...
[05:18] <jordanau> whiskers, plus i only play armagatron
[05:18] <Dreamer3_> whiskers: that is an exageration
[05:19] <skreet> I'm trying to go to bed!
[05:19] <Dreamer3_> Gentoo taught me most of what i know about linux :)
[05:19] <whiskers> Dreamer3, no..it is not
[05:19] <Dreamer3_> so i have it to thank
[05:19] <t8x> hi all
[05:19] <whiskers> Dreamer3, i still have all my dvd backups but nowhere to install them
[05:19] <Dreamer3_> whiskers: it only took me 3 days to get a fully running gentoo from stage 1, and that was taking my time
[05:19] <Xeon3D> libben: do sudo updatedb then locate bmp.desktop and then just edit that file and under icon put the direction for the icon.
[05:19] <Dreamer3_> whiskers: on a slow box :)
[05:19] <whiskers> Dreamer3, that is bull...that is only the beginning
[05:19] <jordanau> whiskers, BTW i thought gentoo was a bare bones linux
[05:19] <Dreamer3_> whiskers: huh?
[05:20] <Dreamer3_> jordanau: gentoo is everything :) just compile it all :)
[05:20] <whiskers> jordanau, no gentoo is the most advanced linux of all...but strictly for gurus
[05:20] <libben> Xeon3D, what is updatedb ?
[05:20] <Dreamer3_> jordanau: it was good back when i had more free time than sense
[05:20] <t8x> may i aks plss will i be able to install ubuntu to a 300Mhz celeron system with 8Gb hdd and 32Mb of RAM ?
[05:20] <Dreamer3_> whiskers: i'd recommend it to beginners :)
[05:20] <femv> people i have a question here... have a laptop with an AMD Sempron M 2800+... i should download de amd64 version of ubuntu?
[05:20] <EvilIdler> I wouldn't call it advanced if you have to be a guru to use it ;)
[05:20] <Xeon3D> libben: man updatedb :D
[05:20] <jordanau> right i thought the actual install was very minimum and you added everything yourself
[05:20] <Dreamer3_> whiskers: but maybe it has changed, i used it years ago when it was still cool
[05:20] <whiskers> Dreamer3, no way...the won't even be able to integrate php with apache
[05:20] <Dreamer3_> whiskers: now ubuntu is cool
[05:21] <Xeon3D> femv: nope... the normal one i386
[05:21] <gbhat> sound is still broken in Hoary
[05:21] <Dreamer3_> whiskers: i integrated apache and php :)
[05:21] <whiskers> gentoo is not for beginners....ubuntu is the easiest and quickest way to get started
[05:21] <femv> xeon3d, why is that ?
[05:21] <Dreamer3_> whiskers: i think the ebuild takes a whack at it for you
[05:21] <gbhat> <----bangs head
[05:21] <Aisi> t8x: yes, but it won't like the 32MB ram very much.
[05:21] <EvilIdler> femv: If it's socket A, you don't have an AMD64
[05:21] <Dreamer3_> whiskers: gentoo is for someone who wants to learn something :)
[05:21] <Dreamer3_> whiskers: ubuntu is too easy :)
[05:21] <gbhat> why has Hoary regressed?
[05:21] <whiskers> Dreamer3, well i suppose if you emerge mod_php...it might get done easily but don't tell
[05:21] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: regressed?
[05:21] <kroot> debian is dead... long live ubuntu
[05:21] <t8x> Aisi: i dont want to run Xwindows Only console . or it is still a problem
[05:22] <Dreamer3_> lol@ kroot
[05:22] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: what card do you have?
[05:22] <gbhat> yeah the same machine Warty recgonised and configured everuthing perfectly
[05:22] <Xeon3D> femv: If i recall correctly Sempron M is not 64bits
[05:22] <whiskers> Dreamer3, actually this ubuntu is quite useful
[05:22] <libben> Xeon3D, well.. man updatedb wasnt the most AHA reading =) but it goes thru ur whole system and then i can type locate bmp.desktop
[05:22] <whiskers> Dreamer3, and so far has not crashed
[05:22] <femv> damn... the problem is that i did try to install a i386 that im using on my desktop... but in my laptop when it restarts the grub just get stucked
[05:22] <gbhat> it is a Via8237 with a CMedia Mixer
[05:22] <Aisi> t8x: that should be fine, though debian might be more appropriate. ubuntu installs a lot of stuff by default
[05:22] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: i had to compile alsa-sources 1.0.8 for my via_82xx based sound to work
[05:22] <libben> if i would type locate bmp.desktop now i wouldnt see it?
[05:22] <gbhat> now why should I have to do that in Hoary but didnt ahve to do it in warty?
[05:23] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: you might want to try the newer ALSA
[05:23] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: though it's weird that it worked with hoary, just my 0.02
[05:23] <Xeon3D> libben: let's say updatedb makes a database of all folders you have inside your hd, and that locate would search that db
[05:23] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: just a suggestion :)
[05:23] <gbhat> nahh worked with Warty
[05:23] <Aisi> t8x: just have to figure out how to keep it running console/text only, and not use X. shouldn't be hard
[05:23] <kroot> whats the linu live distro to check windows for virus ?
[05:23] <gbhat> lemme check the latest alsa
[05:23] <Requiem18th> Im sorry, like you can guess, i have problems with ubuntu
[05:23] <libben> yeah... but i found it without typing the updatedb
[05:23] <whiskers> i like this ubuntu...if i had two computers i would make a ubuntu and a gentoo
[05:23] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: won't hurt :)
[05:23] <t8x> Aisi: i dont think i will be able to install debian :) in debian i need to pick every packet that i want to install right  ? and i am not so experienced :( or there is an already package selected for an Desktop or a server ready ???
[05:23] <kroot> whats the linux best suited live distro to check windows for virus ?
[05:23] <t8x> like in Fedora
[05:23] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: my sound didn't work (gnome wouldn't even START) with warty or hoary... 1.0.8 fixed it :)
[05:23] <libben> u just wanted to tell me to do that =) so i wouldnt moan and bitch about not finding bmp.desktop in case it wasnt there =)
[05:23] <whiskers> but i don't want to go through all that gentoo work again
[05:24] <Aisi> t8x: debian has tools that let you pick classes/groups of packages.
[05:24] <Dreamer3_> whiskers: amen, i'm done "working" just to get a usable computer
[05:24] <gbhat> you had to compile it?
[05:24] <femv> does anyone knows what to do now... my mbr is messed up... windows is not loading anymore... the winxp isntallation cd is not loading either...
[05:24] <Dreamer3_> whiskers: i finally gave up gentoo, too much "Work" to keep my system up-to-date
[05:24] <EvilIdler> femv: Loose cable? :)
[05:24] <Dreamer3_> femv: well, get the CD loading and do the emergency fix stuff
[05:24] <Aisi> t8x: or profiles, such as 'mail server', 'multimedia workstation', that type of thing
[05:24] <gbhat> Dreamer3_ u compiled alsa or got debs?
[05:24] <t8x> Aisi: but is tehre an option just to select an already package like Desktop or Internet server and start to install ?
[05:25] <femv> evilidler, its a brand new laptop :(
[05:25] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: apt-get alsa-source (from hoary universe)
[05:25] <t8x> Aisi: maybe i miss this becouse i couldnt install it last time :)
[05:25] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: you'll also need build-essential and fakeroot, then follow option #2 in the readme
[05:25] <EvilIdler> t8x: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop, or kubuntu-desktop
[05:25] <Requiem18th> Here I go: I THINK I have a problem with my NVidia Vanta card, not sure what is the problem, the monitor looks like it is using a wrong refresh rate but it could be something else. Any ideas?
[05:25] <t8x> EvilIdler: i am asking about Debian
[05:25] <gbhat> readme of what sorry?
[05:25] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: took my like all of 2 seconds once i had the files :)
[05:26] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: the readme that comes with alsa-sources
[05:26] <EvilIdler> t8x: Debian should have a meta-package called kde
[05:26] <libben> so the sudo updatedb is harmless and good to do before doing any locating ? and wich one to edit ? /usr/share/applications/bmp.desktop that or the one with mimelink in its path ?
[05:26] <femv> is there anyway i can restore my mbr from a live cd distro ?
[05:26] <gbhat> Dreamer3_ ahh ok
[05:26] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: dpkg -L alsa-source once installed will let you find it
[05:26] <EvilIdler> t8x: Or install tasksel and pick a desktop from there
[05:26] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: you want option #2 for how to install it
[05:26] <femv> live cd's is alll i can boot
[05:26] <Aisi> t8x: I haven't installed straight debian for a few years, but the features will stlil be there. i'm guessing you ended up in dselect, and disliked it
[05:26] <Aisi> t8x doesn't seem to want any graphical desktop, is that right?
[05:26] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: it actually removed the old modules and loaded the new ones ont he fly, i was impressed
[05:26] <t8x> Aisi: yes that is right
[05:27] <EvilIdler> t8x: tasksel and aptitude are both easy tools to use for picking packages
[05:27] <kroot> what intersting web sites to read today ?
[05:27] <t8x> EvilIdler: how to start them ?
[05:27] <Xeon3D> libben: that one.
[05:27] <Aisi> t8x: the program in debian you want is tasksel, as EvilIdler has noted
[05:27] <skreet> #xfce
[05:27] <EvilIdler> t8x: Type their names
[05:27] <skreet> err
[05:27] <t8x> Aisi: or it is better just to dont lose my time with this box and find a better one
[05:27] <kroot> what are todays instersting web sites ?
[05:27] <EvilIdler> kroot: cruel.com
[05:27] <libben> Xeon3D, ok
[05:28] <Xeon3D> libben: also make sure to know that isn't the correct way of finding files... but it works as good.
[05:28] <t8x> EvilIdler: when installing ? when and where ?
[05:28] <libben> wich is the correct way then ?
[05:28] <libben> find ?
[05:28] <EvilIdler> t8x: You install packages with apt-get install
[05:28] <EvilIdler> t8x: Or run Synaptic
[05:28] <Xeon3D> libben: yup
[05:28] <libben> but locate does ?
[05:28] <libben> its the same... all the same =)
[05:28] <libben> in my eyes
[05:28] <EvilIdler> t8x: When you've installed tasksel, you run that to pick a group of tools
[05:28] <airmikey> where do i get c compiler
[05:29] <t8x> EvilIdler: i got the CD-s i am not going to make net install
[05:29] <libben> cant u do something like a ls -search all | grep whaturlooking for? =)
[05:29] <Dreamer3_> so, are there any nicer vnc viewers? the default was using like 60% of my CPU earlier doing nothing
[05:29] <EvilIdler> t8x: tasksel should be on the CDs
[05:29] <EvilIdler> Dreamer3: See if TightVNC helps?
[05:29] <Spitfire7001> how do i get ubuntu out of a DOS looking screen to a desktop
[05:30] <gbhat> Dreamer3_ should I be reading the README.debian in /usr/share/alsa-source?
[05:30] <SiRrUs> Spitfire7001 startx
[05:30] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: yeah, that's the only readme, right?
[05:30] <gbhat> yeah but where is option 2? :d
[05:31] <Xeon3D> libben: maybe.. I have no idea.. I only find one way of doing what I want. If it works.. then it's ok ;)
[05:31] <whiskers> Dreamer3, yes this system is much easier and you really don't need all those special gentoo programs
[05:31] <t8x> EvilIdler;  and hot to run tasksel ? when starting to install ?
[05:31] <libben> Xeon3D, can u use xmms skins on bmp?
[05:31] <libben> i got that feeling when u talked about it
[05:32] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: it tells your 3 different ways to install
[05:32] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: you want option #2
[05:32] <libben> ooh... even winamp skins it supports
[05:32] <Aisi> t8x: when I last installed debian, it offered tasksel during install
[05:32] <gbhat> make-kpkg
[05:32] <EvilIdler> t8x: No, tasksel needs to be installed before you can run it. Just open a terminal and run it from there.
[05:32] <t8x> Aisi: and there is an option to chose just an internet server and to do install just like Fedora ?
[05:32] <libben> Aisi, been there alot =)
[05:32] <Dreamer3_> ok, polling or whatever xvncclient is doing is taking most of my cpu, that's unacceptible
[05:33] <Xeon3D> libben: yes.. and winamp ones as well.
[05:33] <t8x> EvilIdler: how to open an terminal ?
[05:33] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: no
[05:33] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: the next option
[05:33] <gbhat> fakeroot?
[05:33] <Aisi> t8x: hmmm, I think I'll leave it to EvilIdler, as my debian memories are a bit rusty
[05:33] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: though make-kpkg may work i've never done it that way
[05:33] <EvilIdler> t8x: Are you in the console? Just type tasksel
[05:33] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: yes, fakeroot
[05:33] <libben> so xmms and winamp. does it has it owns skin section ? ;) why it now would have that
[05:33] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: you'll need the kernel headers too :)
[05:33] <EvilIdler> Aisi: I am actively suppressing mine
[05:33] <teeohxd> i recently installed ubuntu, i am a little confused
[05:33] <t8x> EvilIdler: how to get a console ? i am not installing in the moment
[05:33] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: and read the instructions carefully
[05:33] <Aisi> hehe
[05:34] <gbhat> do I have to unzip the alsa-source?
[05:34] <t8x> EvilIdler: when i start the install there is some menu with options i dont remember now exacly what are they
[05:34] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: but i'll be here for a while
[05:34] <teeohxd> how do you install a program?
[05:34] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: read the instructions once at least :)
[05:34] <EvilIdler> t8x: The console is that text-only screen with white text and a black background - first thing you see when starting.
[05:34] <t8x> EvilIdler: i have tried to install it only once and i couldnt
[05:34] <gbhat> yeah I did :D
[05:34] <gbhat> sorry, transaprency was easier than this :d
[05:34] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: it tells you in there how to proceed
[05:34] <gbhat> transparency
[05:34] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: step by step
[05:34] <gbhat> yeah yeah I am reading it
[05:34] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: yeah, transparcent is next on my list
[05:34] <gbhat> lol that is nothing
[05:35] <teeohxd> i have to say it is a lot different than windows
[05:35] <gbhat> GNOME is unsteady but KDE rocks
[05:35] <t8x> EvilIdler: ok i will try now
[05:35] <Aisi> t8x: okay... install ubuntu. then disable X/gdm
[05:35] <skreet> Is there any way to turn of the authentication requirement for apt?
[05:35] <EvilIdler> t8x: All my Debian installations were netinstalls, so I dunno what yours will be like
[05:35] <Aisi> t8x: then we can help :p
[05:35] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: yuck, you use KDE, no more help :p
[05:35] <skreet> anyone :(
[05:35] <t8x> EvilIdler: btw Celeron 300MHZ is before Pentium 2 right ? so  it is very slow ?
[05:35] <gbhat> I use KDE,GNOME and XFCE
[05:36] <Aisi> t8x: it is fast enough, the ram will be your problem
[05:36] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: xfce rocks now
[05:36] <t8x> EvilIdler: i can do net install too , i got cable interent it is fast
[05:36] <EvilIdler> t8x: Celeron is a cache-reduced P3, I think
[05:36] <gbhat> on this box I qaudruple boot Ubuntu, MDK10.1, SOlaris 10 and BeOS
[05:36] <teeohxd> i would have thought that when i installed ubuntu it would have came with more programs
[05:36] <t8x> EvilIdler : ok i will try now ;) thanks a lot guys
[05:36] <gbhat> you gotta try KDE3.4
[05:36] <t8x> Aisi: thanks wish me luck
[05:36] <teeohxd> all i have been doing is playing tetrix
[05:36] <AngryKeyboarder> I bounce back and forth.
[05:36] <gbhat> window translucency is phenomenal
[05:36] <Dreamer3_> i also have nvidia :)
[05:36] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: yeah, and it's easy you say?
[05:37] <Xeon3D> EvilIdler: Celeron can be a Cache-reduced p4, p3 or p2 depending on the speed
[05:37] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: when i get nvidia's binary drivers working i'll take the plunge, will you still be around? :)
[05:37] <teeohxd> i cant get any videos to work, plus it wont play mp3s
[05:37] <libben> do i dare to ask... wich skin is the moste stylish/cleanest for minimalistics desktop.... and popular?
[05:37] <gbhat> why NVidia binary drivers?
[05:37] <libben> for xmms or winamp
[05:37] <teeohxd> WHY? sob!
[05:37] <Xeon3D> EvilIdler: this box is a Celeron 2Ghz... a cache-reduced p4
[05:37] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: for speed
[05:37] <gbhat> apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:37] <gbhat> bah! you a gamer?
[05:37] <EvilIdler> Xeon3D: Then a 300MHz sounds likely to be a P2?
[05:37] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: yeah, i'm on dial-up
[05:37] <Xeon3D> EvilIdler: so it is.
[05:37] <gbhat> yeesh
[05:37] <gbhat> sorry for ya
[05:38] <Xeon3D> libben: try www.winamp.com/skins :P
[05:38] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: no... DRI isn't supported by nv... i'm sure that'll make transparency a lot faster, so binary i go
[05:38] <mpq> I'm in trouble
[05:38] <skreet> EvilIdler, It could be a P2 or a Celeron-P2
[05:38] <Xeon3D> libben: or gnome-look.org
[05:38] <EvilIdler> Xeon3D: I keep forgetting what all those old-fashioned 32-bit processors were :)
[05:38] <t8x> re :)
[05:38] <libben> yeah... freshmeat site wasnt appealing to me
[05:38] <Xeon3D> EvilIdler: nice way of saying you got a 64-bit one.
[05:38] <t8x> btw isnt Slackware better choice ?
[05:38] <EvilIdler> Xeon3D: Hehe
[05:38] <Dreamer3_> ok
[05:38] <Aisi> t8x: probably :p
[05:38] <Dreamer3_> i'm gonna restart X, wish me luck!
[05:38] <Aisi> t8x: but not quite as easy to maintain
[05:38] <Dreamer3_> should i need to reobot first, nvidia people?
[05:38] <skreet> EvilIdler, Opteron or Alpha?
[05:39] <teeohxd> is there any why to connect on a winmodem?
[05:39] <t8x> EvilIdler: isnt slackware better choice ? i see on their page min requirements 16Mb of Ram
[05:39] <Xeon3D> skreet: it could be an A64 or an FX-5x as well.
[05:39] <Dreamer3_> anyone?
[05:39] <EvilIdler> skreet: A nice little AMD64
[05:39] <Xeon3D> skreet: it could even be a Mac.
[05:39] <skreet> Xeon3D, Oh, I thought he said 64-bit processor, not 32-bit processor with semi-64-bit extensions, my mistake!
[05:39] <Xeon3D> EvilIdler:  what speed?
[05:39] <avdi> hi there
[05:39] <Dreamer3_> brb
[05:39] <kkathman> arghh gimp drives me nuts!!
[05:39] <t8x> Aisi: you mean it is harder to configure it?
[05:39] <mpq> I'm screwed
[05:39] <avdi> anybody know if a more recent version of the madwifi drivers than the one in Hoary is/will be included in ubuntu?
[05:39] <EvilIdler> skreet: AMD64 is 64-bit. Intel's solutions are reportedly not
[05:40] <Xeon3D> skreet: the only processor that goes into that 32-bit with 64-bit ext is the Intel One...
[05:40] <Aisi> t8x: i mean it doesn't have apt-get
[05:40] <airmikey> do i haved to edit something for apt-get   to work ?
[05:40] <mpq> there's something wrong with my computer and I don't think I can fix it
[05:40] <Xeon3D> EvilIdler: what speed?
[05:40] <skreet> Xeon3D, Then how come the AMD64 is also 32-bit :D Dual Core?
[05:40] <skreet> Heh
[05:40] <Fackamato> Athlon 64 is 32bit with 64bit extensions.
[05:40] <Xeon3D> nope.. but it's not the same thing. I don't know all the tech slang.
[05:40] <Dreamer3_> ok
[05:40] <Dreamer3_> what's up
[05:41] <mpq> is it possible to read an NTFS partition from the live cd?
[05:41] <Dreamer3_> my glxgears isn't any faster with nvidia binary, that's not right, is it?
[05:41] <EvilIdler> Xeon3D: 2800+
[05:41] <airmikey> how do i get gcc installed ?
[05:41] <Requiem18th> OK i got two problems (and only one PC so i can't confirm anything now). #1:when i do dpgk-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 i get a video card list but is completely irresponsive NO keyboard or mouse interaction. #2: the main one, refresh rate seems to be wrong, my monitor manages up to 1024-768@85, windows says my card is nvidia vanta. please help
[05:41] <Fackamato> airmikey: install build-essential
[05:41] <SiRrUs> Dreamer3_ how fast is it
[05:41] <libben> mpq, yes it is.
[05:41] <Dreamer3_> SiRrUs: 200fps
[05:41] <mpq> shit
[05:41] <Dreamer3_> SiRrUs: but the nv driver was pulling that
[05:41] <mpq> I can't use the live cd
[05:41] <libben> or wait...
[05:41] <mpq> it's not working for some reason
[05:41] <libben> hmm... where to mount it =)
[05:42] <EvilIdler> Fackamato: I've read that it's the other way around - 64-bit with 32-bit extensions
[05:42] <libben> it should be able...
[05:42] <mpq> it's not booting from the live cd
[05:42] <libben> whats not booting from live ?
[05:42] <t8x> Aisi: which one need less RAM ? or PC requirements ? i cant find what Debian need to run
[05:42] <libben> the ntfs partitions under linux ?
[05:42] <libben> that wont happen =)
[05:42] <Dreamer3_> ok, is there somewhere to look to start trouble shooting?
[05:42] <libben> would be to much of security risk
[05:42] <SiRrUs> Dreamer3_ mine isnt overly fast and its 6277 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1255.400 FPS
[05:43] <Xeon3D> EvilIdler: care to do a little test?
[05:43] <Aisi> t8x: it all depends on what you run. they are all pretty similar with a minimal install. they all require heaps for a graphical desktop.
[05:43] <mpq> SHIT
[05:43] <EvilIdler> Xeon3D: What sort of test?
[05:43] <mpq> I upgraded my windows computer
[05:43] <mpq> got a new motherboard
[05:43] <gbhat> Dreamer3_: this says I haev alsa built into the kernel
[05:43] <Xeon3D> EvilIdler:  pi calculating speed test
[05:43] <mpq> and now it thinks it's unregistered
[05:43] <Aisi> t8x: slackware makes it easy-ish to *not* install things
[05:43] <mpq> and won't let me do anything
[05:43] <t8x> Aisi: i will make it like internet server something to play with  . only console . no X .
[05:43] <libben> mpq, hehehe =)
[05:43] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: if yuo're using a ubuntu stock kernel you do not
[05:43] <libben> do the right thing... CONVERT :..... SEE THE LIGHT!
[05:43] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: if not you should be
[05:43] <gbhat> lol
[05:43] <libben> get ubuntu =)
[05:43] <orospakr> Hi!  I just installed Hoary Preview on an IBM thinkpad 600x, and the audio driver seems to be having interrupt issues (programs that try to play a sound end up blocking forever, and a repeated popping emanates from the speakers, and messages about nobody caring about the IRQ the soundcard sits on in dmesg).
[05:43] <t8x> Aisi: something like shell :))
[05:43] <EvilIdler> Xeon3D: I have a cooling problem here - can't stress the box due to a shitty fan ;)
[05:43] <mpq> that's not a solution
[05:43] <Dreamer3_> ok
[05:44] <Dreamer3_> anyone thoughts on nvidia?
[05:44] <mpq> I have a lot of data I need to back up
[05:44] <libben> nah.. not really
[05:44] <Xeon3D> you'll only stress it for 40 or 50 secs max.
[05:44] <Dreamer3_> seems 50% is use and 50% is system, is that normal?
[05:44] <mpq> and I CAN'T BECAUSE I CAN'T ACCESS THE HARD DRIVE
[05:44] <gbhat> so now I gotta compile my own kernel?
[05:44] <t8x> Aisi: and what about FreeBSD ??
[05:44] <EvilIdler> Xeon3D: I can try
[05:44] <Xeon3D> and A64's don't warm that much up.
[05:44] <Xeon3D> just accept the DCC.
[05:44] <Dr_Aevil> mpq: isn't the idea that you "authenticate" your copy again?
[05:44] <Dreamer3_> is there an nvidia version of the gl that needs to be installed as well?
[05:44] <EvilIdler> Xeon3D: Mine does. I had to yank some screws out of the walls to fit the fan..when it goes wrong, it's up to 100 degrees.
[05:44] <mpq> it won't let me authenticate it
[05:44] <gbhat> nahh
[05:44] <mpq> I tried
[05:45] <libben> Dreamer3_, apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:45] <EvilIdler> Xeon3D: It was healthy at first - about 30-40 degrees
[05:45] <gbhat> Dreamer3_: just get the run file for NVidia
[05:45] <Dreamer3_> libben: i have that
[05:45] <Dr_Aevil> mpq: give them a call I guess
[05:45] <mpq> I DID THAT TOO
[05:45] <libben> then sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[05:45] <libben> have u done that?
[05:45] <Aisi> t8x: pick a major distro... debian, fedora, ubuntu, freeBSD. whichever. then find their online install documentation. they will all have a way to install and run without X, and a way to install only what you want. (you probably just want apache and a few other things)
[05:45] <mpq> I got some stupid voice-activated recording
[05:45] <Xeon3D> EvilIdler: 100 DEGREES!?!? THAT would toast IT!
[05:45] <Dr_Aevil> mpq: no need to shout
[05:45] <mpq> I'm desperate
[05:45] <mpq> and my day sucked
[05:45] <Dr_Aevil> mpq: what are you complaining about windows for here anyway?
[05:45] <mpq> I don't know
[05:45] <EvilIdler> Xeon3D: I know. It could of course be a sensor issue, but it feels *very* hot.
[05:45] <kkathman> LOL..good point
[05:45] <gbhat> so Dreamer3_ should I compile my own kernel to get sound to work in Hoary?
[05:45] <Xeon3D> rotfl
[05:46] <mpq> I don't know any helpful places
[05:46] <EvilIdler> Xeon3D: I'm buying a new fan meant for this mobo when I have money again
[05:46] <Dreamer3_> well, this is annoying
[05:46] <Dreamer3_> my laptop is 400fps
[05:46] <EvilIdler> Xeon3D: I have Thermaltake at the moment, which included screws that wouldn't fit on any motherboard I've seen :/
[05:46] <Dreamer3_> i can't believe the card is that crappy
[05:47] <libben> Dreamer3_, have u done that enabling thing ?
[05:47] <SiRrUs> Dreamer3_ doesnt seem like its set up correctly
[05:47] <kkathman> I am still looking for a decent K-app for graphical statusing of your memory and cpu utilization...I saw a picture of a desktop with a nice one, but have no idea how they got it there :)
[05:47] <gbhat> Dreamer3_: what kernel do I need to compile newest alsa?
[05:47] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: are you not using a stock ubuntu kernel?
[05:47] <EvilIdler> Dreamer3_: Do an xdpyinfo | grep GLX
[05:47] <Dreamer3_> libben: yes i enabled it
[05:47] <gbhat> I am
[05:47] <Dreamer3_> EvilIdler: GLX \n NV-GLX
[05:48] <Xeon3D> damn..
[05:48] <Xeon3D> anyone with an A64 for a small test?
[05:48] <libben> Dreamer3_, have u added the trick from ubuntuguide.org ?
[05:48] <gbhat> 1145 fps here on my 128MB Nvidia FX5200
[05:48] <libben> in xorg.conf
[05:48] <t8x> Aisi :yeah i need SSHD and HTTPD . I see an old FreeBSD verions can be run on a 4MB of Ram and suggest 16Mbof Ram and the new  one suggest 24MB of Ram which one to chose ?
[05:48] <Dreamer3_> libben: trick?
[05:48] <gbhat> Dreamer3_: I am using the stock Ubuntu kernel
[05:49] <Dreamer3_> gbhat: then you are good to go
[05:49] <libben> Option          "RenderAccel"           "true"
[05:49] <libben>         Option          "NvAGP"                 "1"
[05:49] <libben> that u can add to xorg.conf
[05:49] <Dreamer3_> you need to just follow the instructions
[05:49] <Dreamer3_> libben: do in need to reboot?
[05:49] <gbhat> Dreamer3_: I am getting that ALSA is built-in in your kernel crap
[05:49] <EvilIdler> Ugh. X still not stable here :/
[05:49] <libben> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#enhancenvidiaperformance
[05:49] <gbhat> hmm lemme check again
[05:49] <EvilIdler> Just tried glxgears, and X crashed
[05:49] <SiRrUs> Dreamer3_ only to restart x
[05:50] <cartel_> mindphasr: jesus had days like this
[05:50] <gbhat> EvilIdler: disable composite
[05:50] <EvilIdler> gbhat: Yeah, that might be it. xcompmgr isn't active, though
[05:50] <libben> Dreamer3_,  u may need to restart gnome... just turn of all applications u started... irc and firefox... and what more u have... and logout... and press ctrl + alt + backspace
[05:50] <libben> u can do it without logging out... but i tend to
[05:51] <gbhat> EvilIdler:  it might be cause of your problems
[05:51] <EvilIdler> gbhat: It sure is slow and has locked my computer much before, so it's likely
[05:51] <EvilIdler> Well, another X restart, then..
[05:51] <airmikey> where can i find  xml
[05:52] <gbhat> EvilIdler: either disable composite or put in the option RenderAccel true
[05:52] <cartel_> airmikey: xml.org?
[05:52] <airmikey> cool
[05:52] <libben> anyone who hasnt! get this GDM login theme ... http://gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=18178&file1=18178-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=Tobacco+Sky
[05:52] <libben> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=18178
[05:52] <Aisi> t8x: pick any, and make it work ;). the newest ones suggesting 24mb ram should still work
[05:52] <libben> the best
[05:54] <Aisi> t8x: my point is, that once you strip out all the graphical stuff and the unneeded services/servers, then they all require little memory, and the big differences become how easy it is to install what you need and to keep up to date with security patches
[05:55] <kkathman> wow no updates today for hoary :)  must be stable now.
[05:55] <cartel_> Aisi: why i use debian :)
[05:55] <kkathman> I should change my sources.list now
[05:56] <geneo93> 56.1 mb for me
[05:56] <Aisi> t8x: 32mb ram is fine for linux/freebsd, a shell, and http/ssh servers
[05:56] <Dreamer3> ok
[05:56] <Dreamer3> it's still dog slow
[05:56] <Dreamer3> this is in 24bit color depth, should i expect it to be so slow?
[05:56] <cartel_> Dreamer3: is it in pci mode
[05:56] <Dreamer3> cartel_: how would i know?
[05:57] <cartel_> xorg.log.0
[05:57] <bob2> did you enable composite?
[05:57] <mpq> well, it doesn't matter
[05:57] <mpq> I can't get the live cd to work anyway
[05:58] <Dreamer3> cartel_: what am i looking for exactly?
[05:58] <EvilIdler> Recompiled NVidia drivers. System now less sluggish, and glxgears works.
[05:59] <stuNNed> anyone else having troubles with an HSF modem?
[05:59] <Dreamer3> EvilIdler: ?
[05:59] <cartel_> Dreamer3: i dont have a nvidia card on linux at the mo, sorry
[05:59] <Dreamer3> EvilIdler: my system is far from sluggish, and i can tell things pop up faster, but glxgears is still slugging along at 200fps
[06:00] <EvilIdler> Dreamer3: Phase of the moon problem. Didn't check the moon phase last time I installed.
[06:00] <regeya> stuNNed: it wouldn't surprise me...hang on...okay, I admit, this would be a good time for a bot...
[06:00] <EvilIdler> Dreamer3: I've got a snappy system with around 3500fps in glxgears
[06:00] <gbhat> Dreamer3_: do I have to uninstall the previous version of alsa first?
[06:00] <_phate_> what is the package for all the gcc stuff?
[06:00] <Dreamer3> EvilIdler: i get 400 on my old laptop, so i know 200 isn't right... though this is a 16mb vanta card?
[06:00] <Dreamer3> gbhat: no
[06:00] <Dreamer3> gbhat: just install the .deb it creates
[06:00] <libben> Dreamer3, what values are u speaking of ?
[06:01] <libben> 200 fps and 400 fps ..
[06:01] <libben> what do u test it with ?
[06:01] <gbhat> Dreamer3: I am still gettnig the error that says I have alsa built into the kernl
[06:01] <EvilIdler> Dreamer3: What core is Vanta again? Older than GeForce2?
[06:01] <Dreamer3> EvilIdler: um... i dunno... but it annoys me that non-acceleration would be just as fast as accelerated, can that be right?
[06:01] <geneo93> vanta is the cheapo card
[06:01] <regeya> stuNNed: before I paste a link, what sort of problems...and bear in mind that I have an hsf modem, but stashed away in a parts bin somewhere :-}
[06:01] <femv> people how can i restorbe my mbr to make winxp work under linux
[06:01] <cartel_> vanta is nv10
[06:01] <Dreamer3> gbhat: i dunno, it worked fine for me
[06:01] <Requiem18th> finally some words about the vanta
[06:01] <gbhat> configure:error:you have built-in ALSA in your kernel
[06:01] <EvilIdler> Dreamer3: What CPU do you have?
[06:02] <Dreamer3> gbhat: uname -a
[06:02] <Dreamer3> EvilIdler: athlon xp 1800
[06:02] <cartel_> Dreamer3: are you using the nvidia binary only driver?
[06:02] <Dreamer3> cartel_: yes
[06:02] <cartel_> Dreamer3: i think the vanta is a tnt
[06:02] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i just switched to binary, and again i can tell things are popping up faster and DRI is enables (glxinfo) but still slow glxgears
[06:02] <Dreamer3> cartel_: yes, tnt
[06:02] <gbhat> crap! I got 2.6.10 installed but 2.6.8 headers :|
[06:02] <Dreamer3> cartel_: sounds right
[06:02] <stuNNed> regeya: ACPI+HSF=DEATH,APM+HSF=CPU just overheated and couldn't kill the driver, but i warm booted from acpi to apm so
[06:02] <Dreamer3> cartel_: does that mean no 3d stuff?
[06:02] <EvilIdler> Dreamer3: Have you tried the same computer with nv driver, and thereby software GL?
[06:03] <cartel_> Dreamer3: you may have more luck using the tnt driver
[06:03] <regeya> stuNNed: oh!  wow.
[06:03] <Dreamer3> EvilIdler: yes, i was just using nv before i upgraded... 200fps... no diff with accelerated, taht's what's bothering me
[06:03] <Dreamer3> cartel_: i thought this was the universal driver?
[06:03] <cartel_> Dreamer3: yeah vanta is tnt2
[06:03] <EvilIdler> Dreamer3: Very peculiar indeed
[06:03] <cartel_> Dreamer3: its for geforce
[06:03] <gbhat> which is the kernel source for 2.6.10?
[06:03] <EvilIdler> Dreamer3: Almost as if the system detects how old the card is and refuses to do anything with it :P
[06:04] <regeya> stuNNed: the only thing I can say, and I realize this sounds rude, is this:  real modems rule.
[06:04] <gbhat> I mean apt-get install what to get source for kernel 2.6.10
[06:04] <cartel_> Dreamer3: paste your Xorg.0.log somewhere
[06:04] <EvilIdler> gbhat: If you just need to compile a driver, apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[06:04] <[0xBoTNeTBusTr] > ok..
[06:04] <stuNNed> regeya: real modems don't usually live in laptops, or at least not mine.
[06:05] <regeya> :(
[06:05] <EvilIdler> gbhat: If you need to compile your own kernel, get 2.6.11 source
[06:05] <[0xBoTNeTBusTr] > so i just installed ubuntu.. im normally a fedora core 3 user.. so..whats up with the root passwd
[06:05] <cartel_> stunned: but at least mwaves work :)
[06:05] <gbhat> lol no
[06:05] <gbhat> just want to get sound working
[06:05] <cartel_> [0xBoTNeTBusTr]  no root user, use sudo
[06:05] <femv> p0+
[06:05] <femv> 
[06:05] <masked> what is the default gtk theme used by ubuntu?
[06:05] <[0xBoTNeTBusTr] > sudo is setup by default?
[06:05] <stuNNed> cartel_: mwaves?
[06:05] <regeya> o_O
[06:05] <Dreamer3> cartel_: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/rU1NEs95.html
[06:06] <paulproteus> [0xBoTNeTBusTr] : Yes.
[06:06] <Xenguy> . o O (Does no one read the wiki documentation anymore?)
[06:06] <cartel_> stuNNed: mwave modem typical in p2-p3 lappys
[06:06] <stuNNed> cartel_: ah ok thanks
[06:07] <[0xBoTNeTBusTr] > hmm.
[06:07] <[0xBoTNeTBusTr] > ok
[06:07] <[0xBoTNeTBusTr] > i think i can live with this no root thing..
[06:07] <Dreamer3> cartel_: hmmm... atunnel screen saver seems to be quite fast in a window (even a large window) but it's <1 fps full screen
[06:07] <gbhat> where are the kernel sources in Ubuntu?
[06:07] <[0xBoTNeTBusTr] > on the other system i chrooted to the / and made a passwd for root =)
[06:08] <libben> whats up with this nautilus-cd-burner thing ? i see from time to time that ppl gonna install gnomebaker to burn dvds and so on... why not tell em nautilus-cd-burner?
[06:08] <gbhat> it says I need to specify a --with-kernel=dir option
[06:08] <masked> gbhat, /usr/src/linux
[06:08] <EvilIdler> gbhat: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.11 if it's not there
[06:08] <femv> how can i modify grub properties from mbr
[06:08] <EvilIdler> gbhat: But just getting linux-headers-<version> should be enough
[06:09] <Dreamer3> gbhat: you need kernel-headers
[06:09] <cartel_> Dreamer3: type glxinfo for me
[06:09] <cartel_> and paste that
[06:09] <zenrox> not here tho CarlK
[06:09] <zenrox> err cartel_
[06:09] <cartel_> zenrox: i know
[06:09] <zenrox> heheh just maken shure:)
[06:09] <Dreamer3> cartel_: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/8G7INL70.html
[06:09] <Requiem18th> sorry i got a couple of problems
[06:10] <cartel_> Dreamer3: that all looks fine...
[06:10] <cartel_> X server starting up correctly, proper glx libraries linked in..
[06:10] <Dreamer3> cartel_: yeah :)
[06:10] <Dreamer3> cartel_: i think maybe it's just the card
[06:10] <cartel_> Dreamer3: its an old card
[06:11] <Dreamer3> cartel_: i run atunnel... and it works (semi-fast) but not at FULL screen... once you get it above a certain size the speed dies
[06:11] <cartel_> Dreamer3: probably frame buffer size
[06:11] <gbhat> Dreamer3: it is compiling now
[06:11] <cartel_> Dreamer3: those cards are made for 640x480 and 800x600 3d
[06:11] <[0xBoTNeTBusTr] > um
[06:11] <[0xBoTNeTBusTr] > ok
[06:12] <[0xBoTNeTBusTr] > i have one system i just put ubuntu on
[06:12] <Dreamer3> cartel_: frame buffer?  agp aperature, or two diff things?
[06:12] <Dreamer3> agp aperature is 64mb in bios
[06:12] <cartel_> [0xBoTNeTBusTr]  you can set a root pass if you want
[06:12] <cartel_> Dreamer3: not aperture, frame buffer
[06:12] <libben> what does glxinfo do? mine doesnt match
[06:12] <cartel_> vanta has 16mb of memory
[06:12] <[0xBoTNeTBusTr] > and every time you hit a key on the keyboard in GUI it puts the letter up like 12 times
[06:12] <[0xBoTNeTBusTr] > whats with that
[06:12] <[0xBoTNeTBusTr] > now out in a VT it works fine
[06:12] <cartel_> libben: glxinfo prints out info about your gl configuration
[06:12] <bj_> Quick question
[06:13] <libben> yeah... but it says wrong and error when i type it =) that its mismatch it
[06:13] <libben> good or bad?
[06:13] <cartel_> Dreamer3 frame buffer is where you store the screen before you send it to the monitor
[06:13] <bj_> are there any known issues with the new nvidia drivers and xcompmgr?
[06:13] <cartel_> libben: maybe not installed?
[06:13] <libben> if u mean nvidia-glx
[06:13] <libben> then yeah i have it installed
[06:14] <cartel_> libben: maybe your installation is broken :)
[06:14] <libben> Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.7167, but
[06:14] <libben> this library is version 1.0.7174.
[06:14] <cartel_> there you go...
[06:14] <toresbe> yay
[06:14] <toresbe> finally
[06:14] <toresbe> Ubuntu workage
[06:14] <toresbe> hoary can be tricky sometimes :)
[06:14] <libben> well, i havent updated to newest nvidia.. dont need to... they dont add any more power to my old nvidia card
[06:14] <Requiem18th> problems with arthy here
[06:14] <Dreamer3> cartel_: so it's an old card, final verdict?
[06:14] <EvilIdler> libben: Kill the glx package, install linux-headers and build from NVidia's installer
[06:15] <[0xBoTNeTBusTr] > is hoary like the unstable ver of ubuntu?
[06:15] <EvilIdler> Dreamer3: Old as in bargain bin
[06:15] <Dreamer3> EvilIdler: oh, come on :)
[06:15] <Dreamer3> cartel_: so i need to plug in my gf4 440mx now? :)
[06:15] <EvilIdler> Dreamer3: I got a GeForce2 GTS for a dollar :)
[06:15] <libben> EvilIdler, well talk about that lesson tomorow =) gonna hit the sack soon =) its 06 am here =)
[06:15] <EvilIdler> libben: Here too. Best time to hack away at!
[06:16] <zenrox> [0xBoTNeTBusTr] , ya that will be stable in a few bays
[06:16] <zenrox> err days
[06:16] <libben> yeah
[06:16] <libben> hmm
[06:16] <cartel_> Dreamer3: its a lot better than the nv6 :)
[06:16] <libben> ive done that before...
[06:16] <Dreamer3> cartel_: huh?
[06:16] <cartel_> Dreamer3: 440mx
[06:16] <libben> thats when i couldent get X running =) i had to precompile my own kernel bla bla =)
[06:16] <Dreamer3> cartel_: i have one with dual-vga and DDR
[06:16] <libben> do i really need to update nvidia ? will i still be able to play quake3 later on ? =)
[06:17] <Dreamer3> cartel_: i heard it was pretty good at the time :)
[06:17] <zenrox> Dreamer3,  use that
[06:17] <cartel_> libben: haha
[06:17] <Dreamer3> zenrox: i just have to take another ocmputer apart :)
[06:17] <zenrox> i love my dual monitors at 2880X1200
[06:17] <libben> dont laugh =)
[06:17] <cartel_> dreamer3: i owned the highest rated gf2mx on madonion, and also the highest rated gf3
[06:17] <cartel_> my gf6800 tho is slow :(
[06:17] <EvilIdler> Dreamer3: Lid off, card out, newer card in, lid on, bliss!
[06:17] <zenrox> yep
[06:18] <Dreamer3> EvilIdler: yeah, except anytime i power down the server i have to reflash teh BIOS!
[06:18] <cartel_> Dreamer3: the great thing is, you wont need to reinstall drivers!
[06:18] <EvilIdler> Dreamer3: Ewww
[06:18] <Dreamer3> EvilIdler: i know, tis why i'm prepping this nice new box ;-)
[06:18] <cartel_> reason #8490834098340928 why linux > windows
[06:18] <EvilIdler> cartel_: I don't reinstall just because I get a new NVidia on my gaming box, either :)
[06:18] <Dreamer3> cartel_: um, on windows you wouldn't have to reinstall either if you're using the combinder driver ;-)
[06:19] <cartel_> Dreamer3: just try it
[06:19] <Dreamer3> ok, i'm off to switch cards
[06:19] <Xenguy> bye
[06:19] <Dreamer3> wish me luck
[06:19] <EvilIdler> Dreamer3: Wish you skill instead? :)
[06:19] <Dreamer3> whatever
[06:19] <Dreamer3> bye
[06:20] <t8x> Aisi:may i ask something pls. i got an cable internet. but i use a wireless router . i will connect the PC to the wireless router with a wire. How to set  up my internt in linux ? i need DHCP becouse i am with dynamic IP . so i need to edit /etc/dhclient adn /etc/rc.config right ? and do i need to make something so it runs DHCP auto. on start up ?
[06:20] <xLobeznox> hi
[06:21] <iceman3301> Hello everyone...  Quick question...  I have a PowerBook G4 aluminum.  I need to load a kernel module on boot.  What is the best way to do that?  right now I have to manually do a "mod probe i2c-dev"
[06:21] <iceman3301> I need that to probe before my pbbuttonsd starts
[06:21] <etzerd> hi all of you ubuntu people
[06:21] <bob2> iceman3301: add it to /etc/modules
[06:21] <bob2> t8x: have you installed ubuntu yet?
[06:21] <xLobeznox> is there something like debian modconf in ubuntu?
[06:21] <etzerd> I love ubuntu
[06:21] <Aisi> t8x: I have no experience with wireless. sorry.
[06:21] <etzerd> this is best distro so far that I used
[06:21] <bob2> xLobeznox: modconf is broken in debian and ubuntu
[06:22] <xLobeznox> bob2, but it exits in debian
[06:22] <etzerd> I just upgrade my OpenOffice to OpenOffice 2.0
[06:22] <xLobeznox> exists*
[06:22] <bob2> xLobeznox: and it's broken there, too
[06:22] <etzerd> this is the first distro that let me do that so easy
[06:22] <iceman3301> Thanks so much bob2!
[06:22] <libben> now when all u leet haxxors are awake... I really need to get an ftp client that can handle TLS encryption and has GUI.
[06:22] <xLobeznox> here not, because powerpc
[06:23] <Xenguy> libben: yer still working on that?
[06:23] <etzerd> any one her use OpenOffice yet?
[06:23] <Xenguy> etzerd: to the extent that I ever use wordprocessors, yes ;-)
[06:24] <libben> Xenguy, =( yes... and Wine and flashfxp wasnt the best solution =) cause i have it regged with paid key in windows.... =) but it wont reccon the regged key when its started from wine =(
[06:24] <[0xBoTNeTBusTr] > ok so no one has a problem with the keyboard typeing multiple char's for each keystroke?
[06:24] <etzerd> why noe Xenguy?
[06:24] <bob2> libben: tell your warez buddies to use sftp or rsync
[06:24] <Aisi> t8x: oops. misread. you are connecting to your router via a wire. then the wireless bit is irrelevant
[06:24] <bob2> libben: or webdav
[06:24] <t8x> Aisi: it just a router ;) i dont use anything wireless
[06:24] <Xenguy> libben: uh boy
[06:24] <t8x> Aisi: it is just to setup a lan with a DHCP server
[06:24] <libben> well, bob2 that wont happend =)
[06:24] <Xenguy> etzerd: why not what? (you asked if I used; I said yes)
[06:24] <t8x> Aisi: like to setup my Internet with a lan
[06:24] <etzerd> the Calc spreadsheet is double the ROW to 65555 just as much as excel
[06:25] <libben> anyone uses fxp with wine ?
[06:25] <etzerd> Oh sorry I tought you said no
[06:25] <libben> i need to know how to get rid of the serial ordering splash thing fxp starts
[06:25] <[0xBoTNeTBusTr] > libben, use gftp it works great
[06:25] <t8x> Aisi: i mean just to setup my internet with DHCP via LAN
[06:25] <Xenguy> etzerd: I just try to avoid wordprocessors in general (cos I'm addicted to Vim ;-)
[06:26] <etzerd> Xenguy if you not upgrade to OpenOffice yet you better give it a try. Version 2.0 seems like a Beta but trust me it works
[06:26] <cartel_> version2 looks great
[06:26] <libben> yeah but not with TLS
[06:26] <etzerd> Wowwww
[06:26] <etzerd> I have to try Vim as well
[06:26] <bob2> libben: this is not a warez channel, sorry, no one is going to help you do that
[06:26] <etzerd> ok guys good night chat with yo tomorrow
[06:26] <Xenguy> etzerd: I'm looking forward to it, but I do wish this nonsense about relying more and more on Java weren't true
[06:26] <etzerd> it is 12:30AM in New york
[06:27] <Xenguy> etzerd: nite
[06:27] <Xenguy> etzerd: same time here ;-)
[06:27] <libben> bob2, since when is a question about getting a ftp client with TLS encryption not gets any help...
[06:28] <bob2> 14:25:21         libben |  i need to know how to get rid of the serial ordering splash thing fxp starts
[06:28] <libben> bob2, I have regged it also in windows.. paid for it...
[06:28] <libben> its just that the wine dont understand that..
[06:29] <[0xBoTNeTBusTr] > libben, .. vmware?
[06:29] <benh> if you have an ibook G3 with a 750FX, please contact me ASAP ...
[06:29] <libben> so as soon wine starts it... it just pops it into shareware mode.. and that info is over 30 days period before i got it regged.
[06:29] <EvilIdler> libben: VMWare or Win4Lin? I used the latter at a previous place of employment, and it's great and fast
[06:30] <Aisi> t8x: stick to the dcc :p
[06:30] <libben> EvilIdler, ooh.. so wine isnt the only option ?
[06:30] <[0xBoTNeTBusTr] > vmware r0x and vmware workstation 5 beta is free right now
[06:30] <[0xBoTNeTBusTr] > www.vmware.com
[06:30] <[0xBoTNeTBusTr] > i love it
[06:31] <EvilIdler> libben: VMWare is a virtual machine, and can be slow, but it works. Win4Lin now reportedly supports installing WinXP
[06:31] <libben> what ?
[06:31] <libben> installing winxp under linux on that ? =)
[06:31] <libben> that sounds real kewl =)
[06:31] <EvilIdler> libben: W4L was used on a computer with only 32MB memory, and it was just as fast as running Win98 directly
[06:32] <airmikey> is there like a site to go to get all unbuntu packages
[06:32] <iceman3301> VMWare is awesome...  Wish they had a port that ran on PPC linux
[06:32] <EvilIdler> airmikey: Yes, your local mirror.
[06:32] <cartel_> vmware is terrible compared to xen
[06:32] <iceman3301> but that would be a total different app since the hardware it totally different
[06:32] <iceman3301> xen/
[06:32] <iceman3301> ?
[06:32] <cartel_> i cant even dirty myself using vmware after using xen
[06:32] <[0xBoTNeTBusTr] > EvilIdler, vmware works fine with winxp.. and i need the ACCTUAL VM
[06:33] <cartel_> www.xensource.com
[06:33] <xLobeznox> how can I modify the parameter where ubuntu 'know' the time to remember sudo pass?
[06:33] <bob2> xen is not much like vmware, tho
[06:33] <cartel_> it doesnt support windows yet
[06:33] <iceman3301> cartel_: never heard of that, I'll check it out
[06:33] <Xenguy> (no relation to Xenguy :-)
[06:33] <cartel_> but its 99% performance
[06:33] <bob2> cartel_: and won't support windows until MS ports it
[06:33] <cartel_> not like vmware which is 40% on workstation and worse on gsx
[06:33] <libben> the one thing i cant figure out.. i installed kasablanca for kde.. and i got IN to my ftp account... but it wouldent list any folders for me... i tried alot of diffrent paths and ways to get it showing folders.. but nooo... .any ideas ? i was in and signed with the encryption
[06:33] <cartel_> bob2: not until intel/amd vt processors appear
[06:34] <bob2> xLobeznox: man sudoers, timestamp_timeout
[06:34] <cartel_> you can run qemu under xen though..
[06:34] <cartel_> and windows in qemu..
[06:34] <iceman3301> I really like VMWare ESX
[06:34] <bob2> and you can run qemu under native linux
[06:34] <[0xBoTNeTBusTr] > cartel_, im not sure what issue's you were having with VMWARE but i have NO performance issue's with VMware winXP runs faster in a VM than if it ran off the harddrive.
[06:34] <Dreamer3> um
[06:34] <Dreamer3> someone help me
[06:34] <cartel_> [0xBoTNeTBusTr]  i dont use virtualisation on teh workstation, i use it for datacentre :) trust me
[06:34] <Dreamer3> please :(
[06:35] <Dreamer3> :(
[06:35] <iceman3301> Especially when VMWare ESX is running on a dual or quad proc server hardware
[06:35] <Dreamer3> *looks very sad*
[06:35] <cartel_> Dreamer3: what happened
[06:35] <Dreamer3> cartel_: nothing works none of the numbers make sense :(
[06:35] <cartel_> iceman3301: read the fine print about esx and benchmarks ;)
[06:35] <[0xBoTNeTBusTr] > CarlK, ESX is a wee bit different.,
[06:36] <bob2> I swear vmware is paying fanboys to spam channels about how awesome it is
[06:36] <cartel_> bob2: i concur
[06:36] <iceman3301> It may not be for everyone, but I run ESX in a large enterprise environment...  Virtualization of servers isn't for every type of server, but many application and web servers are ideal candidates
[06:36] <[0xBoTNeTBusTr] > bob2, OK ..
[06:36] <iceman3301> Nah, I just use it at work
[06:36] <xLobeznox> bob2, where is it?
[06:36] <cartel_> the overhead of binary translation is just too high
[06:36] <Dreamer3> what am i going to do with 1800FPS!!!!!!!! YIPPEE!!!!!!! *big grin*
[06:36] <cartel_> Dreamer3: hahhaa
[06:37] <Dreamer3> cartel_: it's almost unbelievable
[06:37] <bob2> xLobeznox: ? "visudo" to edit it
[06:37] <Dreamer3> cartel_: oh, plus my fonts look BEAUTIFUL
[06:37] <EvilIdler> Dreamer3: So, the system is perfect now?
[06:37] <cartel_> Dreamer3: we have a winner!
[06:37] <Dreamer3> EvilIdler: no, but i'm getting close :)
[06:37] <libben> what did u do?
[06:37] <Dreamer3> now... someone said something about transparency :)
[06:37] <cartel_> iceman3301: i use xen in datacentre, xen+drbd+heartbeat for failover root :)
[06:37] <iceman3301> with the current security configuration of sudo in Ubuntu, when I run sudo for a script in my home directory, I need to enter the full path...  for example:
[06:38] <xLobeznox> bob2, yes in /etc/sudoers (same) but there is not that variable I have to put it?
[06:38] <iceman3301> sudo script1 will not be found, but sudo /home/user/script1 is found
[06:38] <iceman3301> even though I execute sudo script1 in the /home/user/ directory
[06:38] <bob2> xLobeznox: yes, you need to add it, I don't know where it is
[06:39] <bob2> iceman3301: yes, thats how unix works
[06:39] <bob2> iceman3301: alternatively, sudo ./script1 will work
[06:39] <tete> holaaa
[06:39] <jordanau> speaking of sudo... is there a way to use sudo and it not mess up the tab feature in the console?
[06:40] <iceman3301> that is the problem, though, I have /home/user in my path statement...  even sudo ./script fails
[06:40] <toresbe> is there an ubuntu equivalent of packages.debian.org?
[06:40] <cartel_> jordanau: that is bash
[06:40] <tete> todos hablan en ingles???
[06:40] <Dreamer3> ok
[06:40] <Dreamer3> who here has done transparency?
[06:40] <cartel_> toresbe: morgue.ubuntu.com ?
[06:40] <TwEeT> Is there a changelog for the releases?
[06:40] <toresbe> cartel_: huh?
[06:40] <bob2> toresbe: linked from the wiki
[06:40] <toresbe> cartel_: no
[06:41] <bob2> TwEeT: there will be release notes
[06:41] <toresbe> bob2: ok, thanks
[06:41] <iceman3301> I think my sudo problem is some kind of enhanced security but I can't remember what it is called
[06:41] <bob2> jordanau: fix your shell
[06:41] <jordanau> cartel_, i understand that are you saying i should ask elsewhere?
[06:41] <whiskers> hmmm....tuxracer plays just about as fast on ubuntu as it did on gentoo
[06:41] <ryman> Hi, I installed Ubuntu but somehow the sound isn't working. Can someone help me with the sound ? I'm new to linux
[06:41] <cartel_> jordanau: no
[06:41] <bob2> jordanau: zsh tab-completes commands after the sudo fine
[06:41] <cartel_> jordanau: im just saying, its a bash thing
[06:41] <jordanau> zsh i will google that thanks
[06:41] <Dreamer3> my fonts are still a little off i think
[06:41] <cartel_> jordanau: apt-get install zsh
[06:41] <jordanau> cartel_, gotcah
 are there any release notes for this release candidate?
[06:42] <whiskers> i don't see openmortal in synaptic for the guy who was asking the question
[06:42] <cartel_> bob2: zsh is just too big
[06:42] <bob2> cartel_: how so?
[06:42] <cartel_> 2mb footprint
[06:42] <jordanau> is that all zsh does?
[06:42] <cartel_> at least last time i had
[06:42] <libben> why not xterm or aterm?
[06:42] <cartel_> jordanau: zsh is a very advanced shell
[06:42] <libben> aterm would be nic
[06:42] <libben> e
[06:42] <toresbe> bob2: ...nothing there
[06:42] <cartel_> jordanau: it has lots of fancy features
[06:42] <bob2> cartel_: er...
[06:42] <bob2> cartel_: as is bash
[06:43] <jordanau> i will try it out, if i don't like it i will just remove it
[06:43] <bob2> jordanau: no, of course it does more than that
[06:43] <EvilIdler> I get all the completion I need just fine in Bash
[06:43] <EvilIdler> There are some lines in ~/.bashrc or similar to uncomment for it
[06:43] <jordanau> bob2, yeah i didn't know it was a shell, thanks
[06:43] <bob2> ah
[06:44] <toresbe> src/domain/animation/animation.h:33:25: libxml/tree.h: No such file or directory
[06:44] <toresbe> while building something
[06:44] <toresbe> why? I've installed libxml, and libxml2
[06:44] <toresbe> both -dev
[06:44] <EvilIdler> toresbe: apt-get install libxml-dev or similar
[06:45] <jordanau> bob my tab complete still doesn't work
[06:45] <toresbe> EvilIdler: I've done that
[06:45] <jordanau> bob2, dont answer i am going to read the docs
[06:45] <zenrox> toresbe,  try . agine/configure
[06:45] <EvilIdler> toresbe: -dev for both?
[06:45] <bob2> toresbe: it's in libxml2-dev
[06:46] <zenrox> err the ./configure
[06:46] <cartel_> toresbe: gluck would tell you where it is
[06:46] <bob2> toresbe: perhaps you forgot to delete config.cache and rerun configure
[06:46] <cartel_> but its down
[06:46] <toresbe> cartel_: I know
[06:46] <EvilIdler> toresbe: If it still doesn't work with both packages, the configure script is badly made for whatever you are compiling
[06:46] <sunrise> hi all
[06:47] <toresbe> bob2: ah, nice, it started compiling now :)
[06:47] <sunrise> I did not install Ubuntu yet but whould like know if there is a way to differenciate Ubuntu from Debian on file basis ?
[06:47] <cartel_> sunrise: nope
[06:48] <whiskers> i found it easiest to use ./configure --prefix=/usr --exec-prefix=/usr
[06:48] <whiskers> puts most things in the path
[06:48] <cartel_> i found it easier to use dpkg-buildpackage :)
[06:48] <bob2> whiskers: dude, terrible idea
[06:48] <bob2> sunrise: what do you mean?
[06:49] <whiskers> bob2, well i never had any good ideas...but at least i don't have to worry about missing path elements
[06:49] <cartel_> why are my firefox fonts so small
[06:49] <sunrise> I've found yesturday the link http://p.u.c/~scott/patches/ where Ubutus modification on official Debian packages are made available. Is this the official place ?
[06:49] <bob2> sunrise: yes
[06:49] <bob2> that or no-name-yet.com
[06:49] <xLobeznox> bob2,
[06:49] <xLobeznox> I don't understand
[06:49] <K-Ric1> So is the 6th really gonna be the day Hoary is released
[06:50] <xLobeznox> sudo -v and sudo -k respectively 8
[06:50] <sunrise> bob2: I whould like to support Ubuntu from my packages; apply Ubuntus modification and make them Debian aware
[06:50] <xLobeznox> but I don't know how to put a number there
[06:50] <bob2> K-Ric1: no, the 8th
[06:50] <K-Ric1> cool
[06:51] <yfir> someone was complainig that tab completion after sudo doesn't work with bash, but it does...
[06:51] <K-Ric1> should i go ahead and update now ya think?
[06:51] <bob2> yfir: did you uncomment the stuff in /etc/bash.bashrc?
[06:51] <bob2> K-Ric1: not much is going to change in the next couple of days
[06:51] <yfir> bob2: oh, perhaps I did...
[06:51] <xLobeznox> bob2, I need to know that please
[06:52] <xLobeznox> bob2, dont you know?
[06:52] <bob2> xLobeznox: I don't understand your question, sorry
[06:52] <xLobeznox> bob2, that the man page is a shit
[06:52] <xLobeznox> xD
[06:52] <xLobeznox> bob2, there is not clear how to change that
[06:52] <xLobeznox> I google but when I execute commands I dont know what I am doing
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> :P
[06:52] <cartel_> bob2: edit ~/.bashrc
[06:53] <cartel_> er
[06:53] <cartel_> xLobeznox: edit ~/.bashrc
[06:53] <bob2> xLobeznox: I don't understand what you're asking me
[06:53] <bob2> xLobeznox: please don't paste stuff to me in /msg
[06:53] <cartel_> xLobeznox: find section that says uncomment this for programmable features
[06:53] <whiskers> xLobeznox, man pages are fun...they lead you into endless loops
[06:53] <xLobeznox> cartel_, time_stamp can be changed via sudo -v and sudo -k but I don't know what sudo -v and sudo -k makes
[06:54] <whiskers> xLobeznox, then after you reach infinity.....they direct you to howto pages
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> I have a large printed book - with several 1000 man pages. :P
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> by redhat even
[06:54] <xLobeznox> whiskers, easy when your english level is good
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> got it years ago - still comes in handy.
[06:54] <whiskers> xLobeznox, no they are not easy even with good english...just read man mount and look at all the options
[06:55] <bob2> xLobeznox: sudo -k means you have to enter your password immediately
[06:55] <whiskers> ha ha
[06:55] <bob2> xLobeznox: I still don't understand what you're trying to do
[06:55] <xLobeznox> whiskers, ?
[06:55] <xLobeznox> bob2, to change sudo time_stamp!
[06:55] <xLobeznox> I want sudo to ask me pass everythime I use it
[06:55] <cartel_> xlobeznox: -k means you terminate your sudo lease, -v refreshes it giving you another 15 minutes
[06:55] <geneo93> xLobeznox:  touch
[06:56] <kpeterson> Has anyone here had success sending or receiving files over the AIM protocol with GAIM?
[06:56] <xLobeznox> geneo93, touch?
[06:56] <cartel_> xLobeznox: default  timestamp_timeout -
[06:56] <zenrox> kpeterson,  fine here
[06:56] <cartel_> s/-/0
[06:56] <cartel_> man sudoers
[06:56] <kpeterson> zenrox you didn't need to do anything to make it work?
[06:56] <zenrox> nope
[06:56] <geneo93> yes that changes time stamps to current time
[06:57] <xLobeznox> cartel_, yes I did man sudoers and I changed and put that line but I wrote it without "default" before and then :alberto@wildbook:~$ sudo su
[06:57] <xLobeznox> >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 17 <<<
[06:57] <xLobeznox> sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 17
[06:57] <xLobeznox> ok, I will try now
[06:57] <whiskers> i tried a long time ago to read some man pages with an old program called tkman
[06:57] <Dreamer3> ok, composting might be cool if X worked for more than a minute without locking up
[06:57] <whiskers> and i gave up
[06:57] <Dreamer3> anytips?
[06:57] <K-Ric1> Does anyone know if this page is still relavent? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NvidiaHoaryRemoval
[06:57] <kpeterson> zenrox do you have any ports fowarded to your machine?
[06:57] <zenrox> Dreamer3,  not use it
[06:57] <zendog> yep, tkman, i just installed it to see how it works... not checked it yet...
[06:58] <Dreamer3> zenrox: yeah, i'm about to reach that conclusion :)
[06:58] <Dreamer3> zenrox: i just want to see it work for a few minutes :)
[06:58] <zenrox> kpeterson,  it auto gets prots from router
[06:58] <whiskers> zendog, it is an old program
[06:58] <K-Ric1> i used the binary from the nvidia site
[06:58] <kpeterson> zenrox ic
[06:58] <zenrox> ports
[06:58] <whiskers> zendog, i looked at it many years ago...but i gave up on the millions of man pages
[06:58] <zendog> whiskers, i love old programs, LOL
[06:58] <Dreamer3> zenrox: transparceny seems to work WAY bettter than shadows :)
[06:59] <Dreamer3> zenrox: i think the shadows were killing it
[06:59] <Dreamer3> but it agree, not ready for primetime :)
[06:59] <zenrox> Dreamer3,  ya true but i dont use it casue thoes arent stable on xorg yet
[07:00] <zendog> whiskers, wow, this tkman is cool, oldskool x style, man pages outlined... very fast...
[07:00] <EvilIdler> The shadow effect would be better if the X server ran in a GL accellerated screen
[07:00] <Dreamer3> zenrox: this window is 25% now... looks like a ghost ons my background :)
[07:00] <Dreamer3> zenrox: 10% is really creapy
[07:00] <zenrox> lol
[07:00] <Dreamer3> zenrox: now i'm trying to think how this is practical at all
[07:01] <zenrox> i just use the gnome trans stuff that gnome has in it
[07:01] <libben> is there trans in gnome ? =)
[07:01] <whiskers> zendog, yes but look at man mount and try to remember all the options...ha...ha.
[07:01] <zenrox> libben,  yep
[07:01] <EvilIdler> Dreamer3: It's practical for Kopete's contacts window, at least
[07:01] <libben> aterm with nice colors is fun also )=
[07:01] <Dreamer3> ok, i can't deal with more than 1 or 2 transparent windows, it's nuts
[07:01] <zenrox> lol
[07:02] <Dreamer3> what i would like (does xfce do this) is windows to go automaticallyg transparent when they aren't actice
[07:02] <zenrox> Dreamer3, i also found if i use trans i have to have a simi-solid backround
[07:02] <Dreamer3> zenrox: well, that's a given :)
[07:02] <zenrox> imagine it with a crazy 3d wallpaper
[07:02] <EvilIdler> Wait till we get real transparent monitors ;)
[07:03] <zenrox> EvilIdler,  that be kewl
[07:03] <Dreamer3> ok ok, does xfce support making background windows transparent? :)
[07:03] <EvilIdler> zenrox: Not really :P
[07:05] <Dreamer3> anyone use xfce?
[07:05] <zenrox> not me
[07:05] <K-Rich> any nvidia owners upgrade to hoary yet?
[07:05] <zenrox> gnome ROCKS
[07:05] <zenrox> K-Rich,  i have
[07:05] <EvilIdler> Dreamer3: Occasionally, but only the actual panel, not the windowmanager
[07:05] <yfir> Dreamer3, I do but not with ubuntu yet
[07:05] <Dreamer3> EvilIdler: oh?
[07:05] <xLobeznox> cartel_, the value are seconds?
[07:05] <Dreamer3> EvilIdler: i can run just the panel?
[07:06] <bosewicht> i may make a windowmakerubuntu
[07:06] <EvilIdler> Dreamer3: XFCE is the panel, xfwm the window manager, plus all the other components are also separate
[07:06] <Dreamer3> EvilIdler: uh oh
[07:06] <Dreamer3> EvilIdler: i might just be in love
[07:06] <K-Rich> zenrox: did you use the nvidia package or the nvidia.com driver? and were there any issues?
[07:06] <libben> Xeon3D, u here ?
[07:06] <EvilIdler> Dreamer3: That's the unix philosophy. Everything is componentised.
[07:06] <zenrox> K-Rich,  i used the ubuntu package and the restricted modules that matched my kernel
[07:07] <EvilIdler> Dreamer3: I'm considering E17+XFCE+Konqueror as my desktop
[07:07] <Dreamer3> do i have to go anywhere special repository wise to get crimsun's xfce?
[07:07] <CompotatoJ> I have 2 computers on 1 switch and whenever they try sending packets (like pinging) at the same time, one jams up and loses the connection. Does anyone know how to a) help me or b) know of anything in ubuntu i can configure?
[07:07] <yfir> Dreamer3, should be in universe
[07:08] <EvilIdler> CompotatoJ: Both computers running Linux?
[07:08] <Dreamer3> is there a metapackage that gets it ALL?
[07:08] <libben> I want to remove my /usr/local/bin/* cause it's only rar and unrar in there... but when i do rm rar it tells me its not a file
[07:08] <libben> or directory
[07:08] <EvilIdler> libben: rmdir
[07:08] <K-Rich> zenrox:  hmmm i'm using the nvidia.com driver
[07:08] <Dreamer3> xfce doesn't seem to pull in everything
[07:08] <deFrysk> or rm -rf
[07:08] <yfir> Dreamer: i think xfce4 is the metapackage
[07:08] <EvilIdler> Dreamer3: A meta-package is badly needed, yes
[07:09] <EvilIdler> OK, Dreamer3 can be our guinea-pig there
[07:10] <Dreamer3> EvilIdler: xfce + xfce-goodies is MOST of it
[07:10] <Xeon3D> libben: rm -rf /usr/local/bin
[07:11] <EvilIdler> Dreamer3: There are 53 packages with xfce4 in the name
[07:11] <libben> that will get rid of my whole bin =) in local =) is that smart to doo ?
[07:11] <EvilIdler> libben: /usr/local/bin is handy to have
[07:11] <Xeon3D> libben: rm -f /usr/local/bin/* then
[07:12] <EvilIdler> libben: I use local for things I make which others could need when logging in to my system, and I keep local if I reinstall
[07:12] <toresbe> anyone else having a firefox problem on hoary?
[07:12] <xLobeznox>        runaspw     If set, sudo will prompt for the password of the user <-- I don't understand what this means
[07:12] <K-Rich> wish me luck
[07:12] <deFrysk> libben or sudo nautilus and remove the gui way
[07:12] <Xeon3D> if u only have the rar files there... and you already copied them to /usr/bin... it's safe
[07:12] <libben> yeah
[07:12] <libben> it worked
[07:12] <libben> its gone now =)
[07:12] <toresbe> can anyone on hoary please test something for me?
[07:13] <bob2> toresbe: just ask
[07:13] <toresbe> take any url, put it on the clipboard, and try to make an already opened firefox tab go to an address
[07:13] <toresbe> with the middle button
[07:13] <toresbe> doesn't work
[07:14] <Dreamer3> 75% is just enough to be noticeable
[07:14] <bob2> toresbe: yes, that was disable
[07:14] <bob2> toresbe: about:config to enable it
[07:14] <EvilIdler> toresbe: Works fine in Opera :)
[07:14] <toresbe> EvilIdler: hehe :)
[07:14] <xLobeznox> how can I use internet explorer in ubuntu
[07:14] <Dreamer3> i'm just waiting for X to die again but crossing my fingers
[07:14] <toresbe> bob2: really? is this a concious decision or a bug?
[07:14] <bob2> xLobeznox: install wine, or stop trolling
[07:15] <EvilIdler> xLobeznox: You don't wanna!
[07:15] <bob2> toresbe: concious decision
[07:15] <borgista> xLobeznox...why would you want to?
[07:15] <Dreamer3> now i need 25, 75 and 100% icons
[07:15] <xLobeznox> bob2, ehh I'm not trolling
[07:15] <xLobeznox> joke man
[07:15] <xLobeznox> ^^u
[07:15] <toresbe> bob2: why?
[07:15] <Dreamer3> anyone else here using xcompmgr?
[07:15] <bob2> toresbe: confuses people, apparently
[07:15] <CompotatoJ> EvilIdler, Yes
[07:15] <bob2> toresbe: (yes, I disagreed with them at the time)
[07:15] <xLobeznox> Dreamer3, is not stable at the moment
[07:15] <xLobeznox> Dreamer3, I used it
[07:15] <toresbe> bob2: what key is it?
[07:16] <CompotatoJ> EvilIdler, Yes both running linx
[07:16] <toresbe> nm, found it
[07:16] <EvilIdler> CompotatoJ: Does dmesg say anything about auto-negotiation being on?
[07:16] <bob2> Dreamer3: if you're using composite, you're not allowed to complain about X being slow or crashing, tho
[07:16] <Dreamer3> bob2: *laughs*
[07:16] <libben> godnite... =) ill dive into the glx thing tomorow =/ sounds like a blast.... Wooo! not =) it will fuck up my system im sure of =)
[07:16] <EvilIdler> CompotatoJ: The problems I've had with switches are generally because one was on full duplex, and the other not
[07:16] <Dreamer3> xLobeznox: seems *crosses fingers again* to be fine once i quit enabling shadows and stuf... the basic window transparency... with shadows i couldn't run for 1 minute, but they looked cool
[07:17] <CompotatoJ> EvilIdler, oh hmm, no to both
[07:17] <EvilIdler> CompotatoJ: Then I dunno what it could be :/   I've used both hub and switch without problems once auto-negotation was on
[07:18] <CompotatoJ> EvilIdler, how do i turn it on
[07:18] <xLobeznox> Dreamer3, what happen if you maximize a window? the window respect gnome-panel?
[07:18] <EvilIdler> CompotatoJ: It should normally always be on when you load network drivers, especially for standard cards like 3Com and Intel
[07:18] <dazed|> who here plays games on ubuntu?
[07:18] <xLobeznox> Dreamer3, you must restart gnome-panel after executing xcompmgr
[07:18] <borgista> I occassionaly do dazed|
[07:18] <EvilIdler> CompotatoJ: You'll need to look at a HOWTO about passing the right parameters to your card's kernel module
[07:19] <Xeon3D> anyone using gdesklets?
[07:19] <dazed|> borgista: could you help me getting what i need to be able to play a game?
[07:19] <Dreamer3> xLobeznox: i run it first in .xinitrc :)
[07:19] <Dreamer3> ok.......
[07:19] <spanglesontoast> lol you guys really have won my attention to this distro
[07:19] <spanglesontoast> it's so nice and sleek
[07:19] <Dreamer3> bold fonts on this new system are like double bold compared to my laptop... any ideas?
[07:19] <Dreamer3> it's very annoying now that i'm sure what it is
[07:19] <CompotatoJ> EvilIdler, I keep getting this error
[07:19] <kisielk> hm that's weird
[07:19] <CompotatoJ> eth0: no IPv6 routers present
[07:19] <toresbe> bob2: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/ <--- there it is!
[07:20] <kisielk> I just installed the RC.. but I don't remember it asking me for a root password
[07:20] <xLobeznox> Dreamer3, you can run it configuring gnome-session start pprograms
[07:20] <EvilIdler> kisielk: It doesn't
[07:20] <Xeon3D> kisielk: there is not a root user by default
[07:20] <CompotatoJ> i don't have ipv6 but somehow its configured
[07:20] <kisielk> there isn't ?
[07:20] <kisielk> weird
[07:20] <Xeon3D> kisielk:  if you want a root user...
[07:20] <xLobeznox> Dreamer3,http://img119.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img119&image=pantallazo1yq.png this is my desktop with shadows (I dont use composite normally)
[07:20] <kisielk> so how do I do things that require root ?
[07:20] <Xeon3D> just type sudo passwd root
[07:20] <EvilIdler> kisielk: You have to use sudo to create a root password if you need it
[07:20] <kisielk> just type in my own password?
[07:20] <Xeon3D> yup
[07:20] <xLobeznox> Dreamer3,do you like? :
[07:20] <kisielk> ah, thank you :)
[07:21] <kisielk> not like other distros I've used at all heh
[07:21] <kisielk> I bet you guys are sick of that question :p
[07:21] <EvilIdler> kisielk: It's sorta mac-like
[07:21] <Xeon3D> kisielk : that's why were #1 at distrowatch
[07:21] <Dreamer3> any ideas, anyone?
[07:21] <kisielk> EvilIdler: yes I see that heh
[07:22] <CompotatoJ> Anyone know how to make me use ipv4 instead of v6
[07:22] <Xeon3D> noone using gdesklets?
[07:22] <borgista> I used to use them Xeon3D
[07:22] <dazed|> hey can anyone help me installing hoary directly from cd without internet?
[07:22] <andrek> how do i create a launcher on the applications menu?
[07:23] <xLobeznox> gdesklets are slow, and take much cpu and ram, uh :)
[07:23] <Xeon3D> borgista: I'm having lots of problems even trying to run simple ones...
[07:23] <borgista> I think that's impossible dazed|
[07:23] <Xeon3D> borgista: did you apt-get them or just got them from the website?
[07:23] <EvilIdler> borgista: Unless he has downloaded a Hoary CD ;)
[07:23] <dazed|> no someone said i can do it
[07:23] <borgista> I apt-get them...but I haven't use them in a while.
[07:23] <dazed|> i know i can i just forget which sources to cross out
[07:23] <Xeon3D> did they work right out of the box?
[07:23] <Xeon3D> borgista: did they work right out of the box?
[07:24] <borgista> Right EvilIdler
[07:24] <borgista> They did.
[07:24] <andrek> why doesn't preferences:/// work?
[07:24] <dazed|> well forget it i dont even have the cd
[07:24] <borgista> andrek...that happened with Gnome 2.10
[07:24] <borgista> There is a menu editor you can get.
[07:25] <xLobeznox> borgista, that will be fixed?
[07:25] <borgista> I heard not until a newer version of GNOME comes out.
[07:26] <borgista> just sudo apt-get install menueditor
[07:26] <zerovertex> what do I apt-get to get the mplayer plugin for firefox? I already have mplayer
[07:26] <Dreamer3_> any idea what would make my founts bolder on one hoary install than the other?
[07:26] <Dreamer3_> i can compe them both side by side to fix if anyone has any ideas
[07:27] <xLobeznox> k3b is broken in ubuntu hoary.. They updated it and still broken
[07:27] <Xeon3D> borgista: it tells me that I need a sensor...
[07:27] <xLobeznox> they are sleep or something else..
[07:27] <bob2> Dreamer3_: are they both up to date?
[07:27] <borgista> Which gdesklet are you trying to use?
[07:27] <xLobeznox> Unable to handle the following files due to an unsupported format: <-- when adding mp3 to a cd-a project
[07:27] <Dreamer3_> bob2: same day, maybe not same hour
[07:27] <Dreamer3_> bob2: they are both hoary
[07:27] <borgista> OH Xeon3D, did you install the gdesklets-data package?
[07:27] <EvilIdler> xLobeznox: k3b works for me - I didn't grab the one that is being held back, though
[07:27] <xLobeznox> this happened in same version in debian sarge and they updated to a newer version
[07:28] <xLobeznox> EvilIdler, add mp3 to a cd-audio
[07:28] <xLobeznox> and you'll find that problem
[07:28] <xLobeznox> :P
[07:28] <libben> ive installed flashplayer-mozilla and i still need to click to download flash... and it wont find any in the plugins section...
[07:28] <Dreamer3_> bob2: because i really dislike this bolder bold
[07:28] <CompotatoJ> Has anyone gotten flash to work on an athlon 64?
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> Bolder BOld! that sounds liek an ad for BBQ sauce!
[07:28] <EvilIdler> xLobeznox: I only use it for DVD backups, and never that MP3 feature ;)
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> CompotatoJ,  under the 64bit distro - NO.. ive heard theres some hacks that MAY get it working.. but never have gotten it working
[07:29] <EvilIdler> CompotatoJ: Tried it in Opera, but it seems I need some wrappers first :/
[07:29] <deFrysk> libben, restart firefox
[07:29] <xLobeznox> EvilIdler, well I need it for my compilations
[07:29] <xLobeznox> EvilIdler, anyway is a bug like a  house
[07:29] <CompotatoJ> EvilIdler, oh =\
[07:29] <EvilIdler> xLobeznox: I could understand Flac to CD, though
[07:29] <xLobeznox> EvilIdler, that you dont use it, mean anything
[07:29] <xLobeznox> :P
[07:29] <CompotatoJ> Flash is the only thing im missing
[07:29] <EvilIdler> CompotatoJ: You need a 32-bit browser first
[07:29] <xLobeznox> CompotatoJ, same me, I use linux in ppc :)
[07:30] <EvilIdler> CompotatoJ: With Firefox, you just copy the plugin to the right plugin directory
[07:30] <CompotatoJ> What about a flash player?
[07:30] <Dreamer3_> *yawns*
[07:30] <Dreamer3_> no ideas?
[07:30] <CompotatoJ> not in aa browser
[07:30] <Dreamer3_> the normals fonts are find
[07:30] <Dreamer3_> just bold is like double so
[07:31] <dazed|> how do i get a PID list and in return kill a PID?
[07:31] <CompotatoJ> dazed
[07:31] <crimsun> dazed|: ps, pgrep, etc.
[07:31] <Xeon3D> borgista: just did.
[07:32] <geneo93> pidof (app)
[07:32] <dazed|> geno93 i dont know name of app
[07:32] <dazed|> lol
[07:32] <CompotatoJ> kill `ps aux | grep PROG | grep -v grep | awk '{print $2}'`
[07:32] <borgista> well...that should solve the issue Xeon3D
[07:32] <CompotatoJ> dased| kill `ps aux | grep PROG | grep -v grep | awk '{print $2}'`
[07:32] <airmikey> man..im trying to build ...gtk pango atk glib..wont anything build
[07:32] <airmikey> shoot
[07:32] <CompotatoJ> replace prog with the prog u wanna kill
[07:33] <CompotatoJ> replace echo if u wanna see the pid
[07:33] <CompotatoJ> echo with kill*
[07:33] <CompotatoJ> kill with echo*
[07:36] <thoreauputic> CompotatoJ: impressive, but what's wrong with ` pkill <program> ` /
[07:38] <CompotatoJ> thoreauputic, i never knew it
[07:39] <CompotatoJ> thoreauputic, mines more configurable?
[07:39] <thoreauputic> CompotatoJ:  :)
[07:39] <CompotatoJ> thoreauputic, i can grep for stuff =] 
[07:40] <thoreauputic> whatever works for you :)
[07:40] <CompotatoJ> thx for the pkill thing tho saves time
[07:40] <thoreauputic> as always, there are many ways in Linux to achieve your purpose
[07:40] <CompotatoJ> yes
[07:41] <CompotatoJ> Like using gentoo
[07:41] <thoreauputic> CompotatoJ:  pgrep is useful too
[07:41] <CompotatoJ> pgrep?
[07:41] <thoreauputic> man pgrep or man pkill ( actually the same man)
[07:41] <CompotatoJ> PCIMCA is for laptops only, right?
[07:42] <EvilIdler> CompotatoJ: Some Compaw desktops have it, too
[07:42] <CompotatoJ> thoreauputic, k
[07:42] <EvilIdler> CompotatoJ: Compaq, even
[07:42] <Dreamer3_> ok!
[07:42] <CompotatoJ> EvilIdler, oh lol
[07:42] <Dreamer3_> got my fonts back
[07:42] <Dreamer3_> had to turn off auto-hinting
[07:42] <Dreamer3_> dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
[07:42] <EvilIdler> CompotatoJ: Not much point, though, with enough PCI slots inside :)
[07:42] <jagera27> Hi, is it possible to upload a  webpage to my ISP server using Firefox or the console or must i use something like fileZilla?
[07:43] <EvilIdler> jagera27: I personally use Quanta for webwork - it has an FTP client built-in
[07:43] <Artemis3> ask your ISP
[07:43] <thoreauputic> jagera27: lftp or ftp on the command line
[07:43] <EvilIdler> jagera27: Or ncftp or..
[07:43] <thoreauputic> jagera27: I often use lftp for a quick upload
[07:43] <jagera27> ISP has suggested FileZilla for ftp
[07:44] <thoreauputic> jagera27: or gftp
[07:44] <EvilIdler> This is why the D20 was *really* made. Choosing what program to use.
[07:44] <jagera27> thanks i'll try lftp
[07:44] <thoreauputic> jagera27: lftp is command line, gftp GUI
[07:44] <jagera27> or gftp, ta
[07:45] <yfir> wget!
[07:45] <Dreamer3_> ok
[07:45] <CompotatoJ> jagera27, lol filezilla is for windows
[07:45] <Dreamer3_> is compositing going to break my openGL? :)
[07:45] <mcrawfor> yo - why is firefox still 0.9.3 in ubuntu, and how come an apt-get upgrade doesn't want to bring it to an up-to-date version?
[07:45] <thoreauputic> yfir: can you upload with wget ? It does everything else...
[07:45] <EvilIdler> Dreamer3: Yes, if you don't switch on the flag to allow both
[07:45] <yfir> oh, did he say UPload??
[07:46] <Dreamer3_> mcrawfor: no newer version available in warty
[07:46] <CompotatoJ> mcrawfor, add multiverse.
[07:46] <Dreamer3_> mcrawfor: wait until hoary is out
[07:46] <CompotatoJ> mcrawfor, lol JK
[07:46] <yfir> mcrawfor: on april 9th you'll be fine
[07:46] <Dreamer3_> mcrawfor: 0.9.3 is actually more stable i've read
[07:46] <CompotatoJ> I am using hoary =] 
[07:46] <thoreauputic> mcrawfor: warty is "stable" ie no new versions, but security updates will apply
[07:46] <mcrawfor> hm.
[07:46] <mcrawfor> okay
[07:46] <Artemis3> backports had 1.0 i think
[07:46] <mcrawfor> i thought 1.0.2 or whatever had security fixes
[07:46] <thoreauputic> mcrawfor: it does
[07:47] <Dreamer3_> hmmmmmmm
[07:47] <CompotatoJ> Hoary is good =]  its stable go use it
[07:47] <mcrawfor> okay, is there a resource to tell me about main/universe/multiverse?
[07:47] <Dreamer3_> wonder why i can't preview themes
[07:47] <CompotatoJ> add thew all
[07:47] <Artemis3> for warty add backports
[07:47] <thoreauputic> mcrawfor: security patches are applied to existing versions in warty
[07:47] <mcrawfor> gotcha
[07:47] <EvilIdler> Hoary AMD64 has worked well for me nearly a week now. Going to try it on some 32-bit boxes I've dug up.
[07:47] <tritium> mcrawfor, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[07:48] <Dreamer3_> ah
[07:48] <Dreamer3_> no GLX with composite unless i add that other line to xorg.conf
[07:49] <mcrawfor> tritium: thanks
[07:49] <tritium> np
[07:49] <EvilIdler> Dreamer3_: Seen the E17 videos? Good examples of wasting resources there :)
[07:49] <Zotnix> Heard it was actually light weight.
[07:49] <Dreamer3> EvilIdler: no
[07:49] <cartel_> check out the gnome stuff
[07:49] <Zotnix> I've tried it... it is very lightweight.
[07:49] <cartel_> wobbly windows
[07:49] <Artemis3> mcrawfor: http://ubuntuguide.org/#repositories
[07:49] <Zotnix> That's X stuff
[07:50] <Zotnix> Not GNOME
[07:50] <cartel_> oh right
[07:50] <EvilIdler> 3D parallax landscape in the background..definitely wasteful :)
[07:50] <Dreamer3> cartel_: wobbly windows?
[07:50] <Dreamer3> i'm still tring to get over how cool real transparency is :)
[07:50] <Zotnix> E17 used less resources than GNOME
[07:50] <Artemis3> and less than xfce?
[07:50] <Zotnix> In my experience. Which is pretty cool considering all the eye candy
[07:50] <EvilIdler> Zotnix: You must have used E wrong, then ;)
[07:50] <Zotnix> in what I remember, yes.
[07:50] <mcrawfor> Artemis3: oh thanks, I know that, being a longtime debian user - just looking for more details on the ubuntu policies
[07:50] <Zotnix> evane, E17?
[07:50] <dazed|> u know what uses the least resources
[07:50] <Zotnix> It's fast.
[07:50] <dazed|> fluxbox w00t
[07:51] <Zotnix> Blackbox
[07:51] <Zotnix> Ah, that too.
[07:51] <thoreauputic> dazed|: heh - twm :)
[07:51] <Zotnix> I'm a GNOME user anyhow.
[07:51] <dazed|> twm?
[07:51] <Artemis3> mcrawfor: the debian-mariliat thing has backports of newer packages, but you should try distro upgrade...
[07:51] <EvilIdler> evilwm is about as lightweight as it gets
[07:51] <tritium> dazed|, tabbed window manager, very old
[07:51] <mcrawfor> Artemis3: yeah - i'll wait till hoary is out...
[07:51] <thoreauputic> dazed|: don't go there - it's primitive :)
[07:51] <EvilIdler> Without running just a console, that is
[07:52] <dazed|> lol ohhh ok
[07:52] <mcrawfor> wm holy wars? go fluxbox! ;)
[07:52] <dazed|> it still owns highly
[07:52] <Artemis3> wmaker!
[07:52] <EvilIdler> I'm actually using KDE now, and a theme with a nice look.
[07:52] <Artemis3> and it goes smooth in a p100 ;)
[07:52] <dazed|> im down wit the flux...i was a blackbox user even on windows thats dedication
[07:53] <EvilIdler> ObjectBar on Win32 :)
[07:53] <zenrox> dazed|,  but litestep had that marcket
[07:53] <thoreauputic> the recent fluxboxes are great
[07:53] <dazed|> very true zenrox
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> 'wm' and 'wmx' are very very light. :P the whole binary is like under 1 mb. i thinbk
[07:54] <dazed|> thoreauputic: very true :)
[07:54] <Artemis3> hmm
[07:54] <cartel_> yeah openstep sux compared to litestep
[07:54] <Artemis3> larswm?
[07:54] <Artemis3> i still like wmaker more
[07:54] <EvilIdler> The actual windowmanager portion of the XFCE desktop is very small - xfwm + the config tools don't take up much space on disk or in memory
[07:54] <thoreauputic> Dr_Willis: the fluxbox deb is about 660 Kb :)
[07:55] <Artemis3> is it good for 32mb ram?
[07:55] <dazed|> ULTRA lite ultra low resources and ultra clean
[07:56] <thoreauputic> Artemis3: if you like wmaker, use that - it works well on 32MB - but I prefer flux personally
[07:56] <ells> tritium: I have been trying to get the dvd copied with no real luck
[07:56] <Artemis3> yes i was thinking in that old laptop thanks
[07:57] <dazed|> thoreaputic: do u run flux?
[07:57] <ells> tritium: I tried making an iso and then go in to dvd shrink. I tried backing up the dvd and makine an .img file. Tired of messing with it
[07:57] <tritium> ells, sorry to hear you're having trouble
[07:57] <ells> anyone in here copying dvds using dvd shrink or anything
[07:57] <ells> tritium: just tired of messing with it
[07:57] <dazed|> anyone: what is the answer to this question 'Where is the linux source build directory that matches your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux] '
[07:57] <thoreauputic> dazed|: yes, flux 0.9.12 - but I use gnome as well, especially on IRC so I can help people with the default warty desktop
[07:58] <ells> tritium: I guess, this will be one thing I will keep windows for
[07:58] <dazed|> thoreaputic: i use flux only on my pc and gnome on the laptop i find it too hard to control with the rightclick based operations of flux on the tiny mouse pad lol
[07:58] <tritium> ells, that's too bad it's not working for you.  What's the problem exactly?
[07:58] <dazed|> i spelll ur name wrong everytime lol
[07:58] <ells> tritium: I cannot make an exact compressed copy of a dvd
[07:59] <thoreauputic> dazed|: tab complete it :)
[07:59] <ells> tritium: to fit on a 4.7g dvd
[07:59] <nrl> 
[07:59] <tritium> ells, what do you mean by exact?  lossless compression?
[07:59] <dazed|> ahhh i forget  that niftyness works in irc
[07:59] <thoreauputic> dazed|: thor <tab>
[07:59] <ells> tritium: trying to make more or less a backup of a dvd. the dvd when backed up is more like 6-8 gig
[08:00] <dazed|> thoreauputic: yep....do you know what this means though? 'Where is the linux source build directory that matches your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux] '
[08:00] <ells> tritium: that is why I need to compress it to fit a 4.7 gig dvd
[08:00] <tritium> ells, it'll likely by lossy
[08:00] <dazed|> what do i need to say on a basic warty computer?
[08:00] <Artemis3> hahaha dazed...
[08:00] <thoreauputic> dazed|: that's being offered as default
[08:00] <bwlang> ells: have you tried dvd::rip?
[08:00] <ells> bwlang: yeap
[08:00] <thoreauputic> dazed|: which is likely to be right :)
[08:00] <EvilIdler> dvd::rip is great
[08:00] <dazed|> thoreauputic, i tried that and no go
[08:01] <ells> bwlang: I can make an .avi (bad one at that), but not a compressed dvd copy
[08:01] <ells> tritium: what ya mean
[08:01] <thoreauputic> dazed|: what are you trying to do?
[08:01] <tritium> ells, lossy, as in some information is lost in the compression process
[08:01] <dazed|> install conexant hcfmodem drivers via deb package via mc
[08:01] <Artemis3> eek
[08:01] <dazed|> install conexant hcfmodem drivers via deb package via mc
[08:01] <Artemis3> damn things
[08:01] <ells> tritium: yeap, that would be it
[08:01] <dazed|> whoops*
[08:01] <thoreauputic> dazed|: do you have kernal sources / headers installed ?
[08:02] <thoreauputic> 8kernel
[08:02] <thoreauputic> bah
[08:02] <thoreauputic> kernel
[08:02] <tritium> ells, okay, as long as you can tolerate that.  :)
[08:02] <dazed|> thoreauputic, probably not i have no recollection of installing them prior
[08:02] <ells> tritium: i tried making in iso to compress in dvd shrink, but it said the UDF was bad or something
[08:02] <thoreauputic> dazed|: the drivers might require them - have you read the README or instructions for the drivers?
[08:03] <ells> tritium: it is frustrating, but I cannot believe someone has not come up with a solution
[08:03] <kisielk> which package do I install to get the kernel headers for the default kernel in hoary ?
[08:03] <dazed|> thoreauputic: didnt come with any and linmodems.org wasnt much help on installing drivers so i been basically winging it lol
[08:03] <thoreauputic> kisielk: linux-headers
[08:03] <bwlang> ells: the first thing dvd::rip does is make  real copy of the dvd... then you turn it into an avi if you want to .  I fyou just copied the intermediate files to a new dvd that might work fine... not sure -- never tried it
[08:03] <dazed|> thoreauputic: i read the readme on the site but no help there either
[08:03] <n9udl> anyone else having trouble with Ubuntu + Xorg + multi-head display? (nVidia AGP and PCI cards..)
[08:04] <ells> bwlag: I have backed it up using dvd rip
[08:04] <dazed|> how can i tell what kernel im using there are so many specific selections for headers
[08:04] <ells> bwlang: it backs it up into about 4 vobs
[08:04] <MyNameIsChris> dazed|, cat /proc/version
[08:04] <tritium> ells, I'll bet we can work out a solution if we put some time into it.  Likely, using dvdrip
[08:05] <thoreauputic> kisielk: linux-headers-$(uname -r) to be more accurate
[08:05] <dazed|> i got that but after my .386 there are many extra numbers that arent included when i get my kernel version
[08:05] <ells> tritium: If you have time, maybe you can take a look at it, I can send you some URLs
[08:05] <kisielk> thoreauputic: hm, I have a "linux-headers" package installed
[08:06] <JinxColor> sup all , before I say anything at all, is this a good place for noobs, or is there somewhere better for that
[08:06] <tritium> ells, I'll see what I can found out, sure...
[08:06] <kisielk> thoreauputic: but it doesn't appear to contain anything
[08:06] <ells> tritium: thanks Mike
[08:06] <EvilIdler> JinxColor: Nowhere better
[08:06] <yfir> JinxColor, this is the place
[08:06] <dazed|> linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386 '2.6.8.1-16.1' --- what does the section in quotes represent?
[08:06] <tritium> ells, sure, Steve.
[08:06] <thoreauputic> JinxColor: yeah, we are usually nice to noobs if they try hard :)
[08:06] <ells> tritium: LIke they say, things that take time are usually worth it
[08:06] <JinxColor> thoreauputic: thnx, and thnx all - glad to be here then!
[08:06] <tritium> ells, yep ;)
[08:07] <thoreauputic> kisielk: try sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[08:07] <ells> tritium: I will look on this end
[08:07] <thoreauputic> uname -r is the kernel version of course
[08:07] <kisielk> thoreauputic: thanks
[08:07] <kisielk> that appears to do it
[08:07] <kisielk> heh
[08:07] <thoreauputic> JinxColor: welcome to Ubuntu :)
[08:07] <kisielk> actually, I typed it verbaitm
[08:07] <kisielk> and it still worked :)
[08:07] <kisielk> verbatim even
[08:08] <thoreauputic> kisielk: yes, the $(uname -r) evaluates to the right version :)
[08:09] <thoreauputic> kisielk: bash does nice stuff like that ! :)
[08:10] <tritium> ells, sorry, I got disconnected.
[08:10] <kisielk> thoreauputic: I didn't know $() expanded in to a command.. always thought that's what ` ` was for
[08:10] <ells> tritium: no prob Mike
[08:10] <thoreauputic> kisielk: same thing - $() is neater
[08:10] <kisielk> but I'm not much of a shell scripter :)
[08:10] <kisielk> yeah, I agree heh
[08:10] <thoreauputic> kisielk: and easier to see/debug
[08:11] <synd> yo yo yo
[08:11] <kisielk> I'm liking this so far
[08:11] <tritium> ells, I didn't see your reply.  Have you seen the dvdrip website's documentation?
[08:11] <kisielk> I was going to set up SuSE for our office machine..
[08:11] <kisielk> but I think I may go with Ubuntu instead
[08:11] <dazed|> anyone know of a good cd ripping app?
[08:11] <synd> this is 10x better than SuSE
[08:11] <tritium> dazed|, have you tried sound-juicer?
[08:11] <MyNameIsChris> dazed|, cdparanoia
[08:12] <thoreauputic> dazed|: sound juicer or grip
[08:12] <yfir> dazed|: grip is a nice graphical front end
[08:12] <dazed|> tritium, MyNameIsChris: thanks both ill try both
[08:12] <ells> tritium: naw, dont think so
[08:12] <rJinxColo> well, for tonight I've found the right place, now to leave - but will return later to pester all with ?'s
[08:12] <dazed|> lol so many options
[08:12] <dazed|> right question to ask
[08:12] <MyNameIsChris> You'll probably appreciate sound-juicer's gui more
[08:12] <yfir> dazed|: sound juicer should already be on your system though
[08:12] <tritium> ells, can you take a look at it?  I will too...
[08:13] <thoreauputic> dazed|: by default sound juicer won't do mp3 though
[08:13] <junit> Hello
[08:13] <danko123456> hello
[08:13] <thoreauputic> dazed|: grip + lame will
[08:13] <yfir> dazed|: grip + lame is a nicer combo anyway :)
[08:13] <junit> I have a problem, I am trying to make a driver for my notebook but I have to specify my kernelsrc, where is that located in Ubuntu Hoary?
[08:13] <ells> tritium: cool
[08:14] <dazed|> ill be gettin grip+lame then here after my kernel headers finish
[08:14] <tritium> ells, http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/
[08:14] <thoreauputic> yfir, dazed|,  grip ahs more options ( quality for one)
[08:14] <thoreauputic> *has
[08:14] <dazed|> lol good good
[08:15] <synd> when is the stable release of hoary going to be released approx? later this month?
[08:15] <ells> tritium: cool
[08:15] <junit> Anyone Have any clue?
[08:15] <junit> Where is the location of the kernel build tree in hoary
[08:15] <Tomcat_> synd: 6th or 8th this month
[08:15] <dazed|> i love ubuntu/linux ooooooohhhh soooo much...
[08:15] <dazed|> i cant get enough of this os
[08:15] <synd> dazed|, i hear ya
[08:16] <will> OOOHH ya!
[08:16] <synd> dazed|, im starting to neglect my macs
[08:16] <danko123456> I dont, sorry, Junit.
[08:16] <dazed|> isnt the hoary candidate already out?
[08:16] <synd> dazed|, yes
[08:16] <dazed|> synd: i never got into mac too much but i regret it since i grew up on windows
[08:16] <danko123456> You can always try at a later time, someone is sure to know, but may be sleeping or whatever.
[08:16] <danko123456> :)
[08:17] <Xeon3D> I need help configuring my lm-sensors.
[08:17] <Dreamer3_> ok, your nvidia people... existing X doesn't take me to console, just a blinking LCD light like in powersaving mode
[08:17] <synd> dazed|, it's never too late to try it out. i grew up on win too. switched to mac about a yr ago and just recently decided to look at alternatives for my dust-collecting PCs
[08:17] <Xeon3D> I haven't got a clue where to start.
[08:18] <Dreamer3_> i can't switch to a console with ctrl-alt-fx either
[08:18] <dazed|> thoreauputic, btw the tabs with fluxbox are awesome i group everything together in my seperate workgroups and keeps everything sooo organized
[08:18] <ryman> hi, I'm new to linux. I just installed Ubuntu. can someone please help me with the sound ? my sound isn't working
[08:18] <danko123456> Dude, Xeon, I saw you here yesterday, you still having the same issue, or you just active, if you dont mind me asking?
[08:18] <Dreamer3_> :(
[08:18] <ryman> is anyone sound working ?
[08:19] <Xeon3D> danko123456: I just need help making it read the correct values (or any values at all)
[08:19] <HappyPills> ryman: if I ever had sound issues and solved them I would be in a position to help you... but my sound has always worked nicely =(
[08:19] <Dreamer3_> advice, anyone?
[08:19] <Xeon3D> danko123456: care to help?
[08:19] <maswan> ryman: sure, my sound on my laptop worked without problems. don't know what might have gone wrong though.
[08:19] <HappyPills> ryman: what sound card do you have?
[08:19] <danko123456> Oh, Id love to help...
[08:19] <thoreauputic> Xeon3D: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2780
[08:19] <ryman> Creative 2zs
[08:19] <dazed|> synd: but with mac i have to actually purchase a mac computer not just osx correct?
[08:19] <danko123456> I dont even know what the  lm-sensors. are...
[08:19] <synd> dazed|, correct
[08:19] <ryman> I'm new to linux. This is the first time I use linux
[08:20] <ryman> and I really like Ubuntu
[08:20] <thoreauputic> Xeon3D: full instructions in that thread
[08:20] <ryman> but I can't get the sound to work
[08:20] <synd> dazed|, have you seen the new Mac mini's ?
[08:20] <Dreamer3_> where did all those nvidia users go?
[08:20] <HappyPills> ryman: type 'lsmod | grep soundcore'
[08:20] <tritium> ryman, awesome!
[08:20] <tritium> Dreamer3, I use nvidia.  What's up?
[08:21] <danko123456> what computer are you using, Dreamer?
[08:21] <danko123456> A PC?
[08:21] <ryman> soundcore               9824  3 snd
[08:21] <HappyPills> okay, so that is working
[08:21] <ells> tritium: check this out http://mightylegends.zapto.org/dvd/dvdauthor_howto.php
[08:21] <HappyPills> now we need to figure out what driver you need for your soundcard
[08:21] <tritium> ells, checking...
[08:22] <ryman> oh
[08:22] <synd> what exactly is jabber?
[08:22] <danko123456> I know it is a bit different for switching  tty's in on Macs.
[08:22] <danko123456> hah
[08:22] <synd> i aint ever heard of it until i started with linux
[08:22] <ryman> synd, chat client ?
[08:22] <bob2> synd: an IM protocol kinda like ICQ
[08:22] <thoreauputic> synd: an open IM server/client system
[08:22] <junit> Where is the location of the kernel build tree in hoary
[08:22] <ells> tritium: what ya think
[08:22] <Xeon3D> thanks so very much thoreauputic
[08:22] <synd> ryman, bob2: i heard its for "security freaks" no?
[08:23] <tritium> ells, need some time to review it
[08:23] <thoreauputic> Xeon3D: no worries - enjoy :)
[08:23] <bob2> junit: it's not there by default.  what kernel are you using?
[08:23] <ryman> synd, I dont know. i just know that it's an IM client
[08:23] <TwEeT> I am using the newest RC
[08:23] <ryman> HappyPills, do you know where I can find driver for my sound card ?
[08:23] <HappyPills> ryman: type 'lsmod | grep snd' and paste the results into http://rafb.net/paste/
[08:23] <ryman> oh ok
[08:23] <bob2> synd: it tends to be used by linux/unixy/free software-people, so I guess so ;)
[08:23] <thoreauputic> synd: it's for anybody who cares to use it :)
[08:23] <TwEeT> 2.6.10-5-386
[08:24] <HappyPills> I'm taking a looksy, I'm guessing you are going to need 'snd_emu10k1' but I can't be sure
[08:24] <synd> ah, i see : )
 I am trying to set up Acerhk
[08:24] <synd> thanks guys
[08:24] <TwEeT> and I need to specify the location of the build tree
[08:24] <ells> tritium: cool
[08:24] <ryman> HappyPills, can I pm you and paste it in pm ?
[08:24] <bob2> TwEeT: install linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386 with synaptic or whatever
[08:24] <Dreamer3> ok, who was asking about my nvidia trouble?
[08:25] <HappyPills> just paste the link in here
[08:25] <HappyPills> maybe someone else can see a solution from it
[08:25] <Dreamer3> if i exit X or hit ctrl-alt-fx i get a blinking power light on my lcd... i can't return to consolde...
 thanks, you never fail to amaze me
[08:25] <ryman> http://rafb.net/paste/results/yLkm4k87.html
[08:25] <ryman> thanks
[08:25] <bob2> TwEeT: np
[08:25] <mebaran151> how do I setup printing in openoffice
[08:26] <danko123456> What are you using Dreamer, a PC?
[08:26] <Sp4rKy> hi
[08:26] <HappyPills> oh nuts... everything appears to be working fine there
[08:26] <thoreauputic> mebaran151: oopadmin
[08:26] <mebaran151> I can print from cups and any app that lets me use lpr
[08:26] <mebaran151> cool
[08:26] <HappyPills> that means the problem is something more complicated
[08:26] <dazed|> anyone know waht this is? 'ncurses-devel'
[08:26] <ryman> oh ...
[08:26] <HappyPills> goto system => Preferences => sound
[08:26] <ryman> k
[08:26] <MyNameIsChris> dazed|, The development pakcages for ncurses
[08:26] <Sp4rKy> dazed, it's the ncurses library for developpement
 It spat out an error: gcc: command not found
[08:27] <MyNameIsChris> Name says it all
[08:27] <TwEeT> what should i apt-get?
[08:27] <HappyPills> oops not
[08:27] <HappyPills> that won't do antyhign
[08:27] <Sp4rKy> i've a problem with my soundcard over hoary
[08:27] <mebaran151> ok so what do I do
[08:27] <thoreauputic> TwEeT: buid-essential
[08:27] <mebaran151> in oopadmin
[08:27] <HappyPills> ryman: does it give you any errors when you try to play sound applications or does nothing happen at all...
[08:27] <ryman> Burgun ... was helping me last night
[08:27] <mebaran151> the generic printer is using lpr
[08:27] <thoreauputic> TwEeT: build-essential sorry
[08:27] <mebaran151> but lpr needs a .ps right?
[08:28] <ryman> and he said there is something wrong with Ubuntu
[08:28] <Sp4rKy> i can't use any sound device with a classic user, i must be root
[08:28] <ryman> HappyPills, nothing happen at all
 thanks
[08:28] <Sp4rKy> whereas my user have the "audio" grou
[08:28] <bob2> TwEeT: install build-essential
[08:28] <ryman> Do you know any good books or sites about linux for newbie ?
[08:28] <Dreamer3> sheesh
[08:28] <HappyPills> ryman: goto applications => sound and video => volume control... I'm sure you've already tried this route out though...
[08:29] <Dreamer3> now X keeps freezing
[08:29] <ryman> I'm really exicted about Ubuntu
[08:29] <danko123456> Good:)
[08:29] <danko123456> Its pretty cool
[08:29] <Sp4rKy> ryman : lea-linux.org
[08:29] <ryman> HappyPills,  yes ... I tried it ... nothing is muted
[08:29] <ryman> Sp4rKy, thanks
[08:29] <mebaran151> nvidia drivers arent so bad
[08:29] <mebaran151> I use them
[08:29] <mebaran151> and it works
[08:29] <danko123456> Anyone know why you cant play a movie, and music at the same time?
[08:29] <Sp4rKy> ryman, but i'm not shure it exists in english
[08:29] <thoreauputic> ryman: for commands, try  http://tuxfiles.org
[08:30] <bob2> danko123456: because you need to configure both programs to use esd
[08:30] <Dreamer3> ok, anyone know what i need to do to allow nvidia to let me return to a console?
[08:30] <HappyPills> have you tried the alsa sound system? you can install it via synaptic...
[08:30] <ryman> Sp4rKy, ugh thanks
[08:30] <danko123456> Oh, so it works, hey...
[08:30] <mebaran151> ok someone help me setup OOffice with cups
[08:30] <ryman> thoreauputic, thanks
[08:30] <mebaran151> I got cups using my gimp-print driver
[08:30] <tritium> Dreamer3, you can't Ctrl-Alt-F1, for example?
[08:30] <Sp4rKy> and nobody for my sound problems
[08:30] <danko123456> And why is it not set up by default?
[08:30] <EvilIdler> Dreamer3: It should be in the readme included with NVidia
[08:30] <mebaran151> sexiness to the extreme
[08:30] <Dreamer3> tritium: i can not
[08:30] <mebaran151> and my photos print pretty well now
[08:30] <Dreamer3> tritium: i mean i can, but the screens are all like power saving...
[08:30] <Sp4rKy> do you know any irc channels specialy for laptop .
[08:30] <mebaran151> I just need to make my office stuff come out of the magic box
[08:30] <Dreamer3> tritium: no display
[08:31] <yfir> ryman: for basic command line stuff, this is a pretty nice intro: http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~an4m/books/oreilly/unix_bookshelf/upt/index.htm
[08:31] <tritium> Dreamer3, when does this happen?  What triggers it?
[08:31] <jjpmr52> s
[08:31] <Dreamer3> tritium: me trying to go back to a console from in any way shape or fashion
[08:31] <dazed|> is glame same as 'lame' and what about toolame both same thing?
[08:31] <tritium> Dreamer3, have you had a chance to look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[08:31] <jjpmr52> how can i change the color of my text on xchat
[08:31] <dazed|> yfir: ^
[08:31] <synd> anyone have Kompose (similar to OSX's Expose) working in KDE?
[08:31] <mebaran151> all frontends to lame I think
[08:31] <ryman> yfir, thanks
[08:32] <Dreamer3> tritium: yes i looked at it a lot earlier
[08:32] <danko123456> too lame is just too lame, dont use it.
[08:32] <danko123456> :)
[08:32] <bob2> synd: #kubuntu might know more
[08:32] <tritium> Dreamer3, nothing useful?
[08:32] <calamari> hi
[08:32] <dazed|> yfir: is glame same as that lame program u were speaking of to use with grip?
[08:32] <tritium> hi calamari
[08:32] <Sp4rKy> please, nobody to help me ?
[08:32] <ryman> =( my sound isn't working
[08:32] <yfir> dazed|: no
[08:33] <mebaran151> oopadmin keeps crashing
[08:33] <Halo> hi
[08:33] <mebaran151> this is weird
[08:33] <Halo> how are u
[08:33] <ryman> do you guys think its because I did something wrong when I make a new partition
[08:33] <tritium> Sp4rKy, some of us have laptops.  What's the issue?
[08:33] <ryman> or its conflict with windows xp or something ?
[08:33] <mebaran151> ryman, what
[08:33] <Dreamer3> tritium: i don't see anything out of the ordinary
[08:33] <tritium> ryman, are you using Warty or Hoary?
[08:33] <jjpmr52> s
[08:33] <tritium> Dreamer3, which nvidia card?  Which kernel?
[08:33] <ryman> Hoary
[08:34] <Sp4rKy> thanks for answer tritium, the issue is the next : i haven't any possibility to hibernate my laptop
[08:34] <Dreamer3> tritium: hoary kernel, gf4 440mx
[08:34] <yfir> dazed|: afaik, glame is a sort of audio editor package, like audacity on steroids
[08:34] <ryman> the newest version . i just downloaded and installed it last night
[08:34] <HappyPills> ryman: have you tried operating systems other than windows before? did the sound work in them?
[08:34] <Dreamer3> tritium: i'm thinking it has to be something simple
[08:34] <danko123456> Oh, neither do I my iBook G4.
[08:34] <Dreamer3> tritium: right?
[08:34] <tritium> Dreamer3, should be.
[08:34] <jjpmr52> s
[08:34] <ryman> HappyPills, no ... the sound work perfect in windows
[08:34] <tritium> Sp4rKy, do you have acpi-support installed?  Is this hoary?
[08:34] <thoreauputic> dazed|: lame would be in multiverse
[08:34] <danko123456> Whatever, just turn it off.
[08:35] <danko123456> :))
[08:35] <danko123456> serious.
[08:35] <ryman> yfir, is the site you gave me for Unix ?
[08:35] <danko123456> I mean, it would be nice, to put it to sleep, instead of having to boot it up all the time..
[08:35] <danko123456> Same thing, Ryman.
[08:35] <ryman> are Unix and Linux the same ? or what's the differrent between them ?
[08:35] <danko123456> I mean, GNU, but, still.
[08:35] <tritium> Dreamer3, I have a GeForce4 440 Go
[08:35] <ekwinix> hey guys. just installed the warty distro.
[08:35] <ekwinix> gotta say - FREAKIN' AWESOME.
[08:35] <danko123456> Wow, sweet
[08:35] <Sp4rKy> tritium, yes ti's hoary, i know i've apci and acpid installed, but i don't know if it's acpi-support
[08:35] <thoreauputic> ryman: linux is a unix clone, basically
[08:36] <EvilIdler> Ooh, Tribal Trouble demo out, if anyone cares (oddlabs.com)
[08:36] <danko123456> Thanks I tried my best, Ekwinix.
[08:36] <Dreamer3> tritium: you using the latest nvidia drivers, hoary?
[08:36] <ekwinix> iv never used linux before, but this shit seems pretty straight forward.
[08:36] <yfir> ryman: yes, it is for unix, but it will be 99% compatible
[08:36] <ryman> yeah I love the Synaptic Package manager ... It just blows windows away
[08:36] <tritium> Dreamer3, yes.
[08:36] <ryman> really easy to get software and update
[08:36] <danko123456> Yeah, it took me a while to get it working that good.
[08:36] <Lancellor> what do i hace to type in the console to get firefox  "sudo apt-get install mozillla-firefox"  ?
[08:36] <mebaran151> in the press there is always a bunch of guys saying how bad synaptic is
[08:36] <danko123456> ok, ok, Ill stop it.
[08:36] <ryman> yfir, thoreauputic, oh .. thanks
[08:36] <Dreamer3> tritium: you using renderaccel and nvagp?
[08:36] <tritium> Sp4rKy, apt-cache policy acpi-support should tell you for sure
[08:36] <mebaran151> I love how they point to its poor user design
[08:36] <mebaran151> which everyone seems to get
[08:36] <Dreamer3> tritium: i think maybe renderaccel was locking up X
[08:37] <tritium> Dreamer3, using NVagp, but not renderaccel
[08:37] <ryman> ekwinix,  is the sound working for you ?
[08:37] <Sp4rKy> tritium, yes, i've the 0.21
[08:37] <MyNameIsChris> Lancellor, I think the package is just firefox. Try and apt-cache search
[08:37] <danko123456> He is using Warty, Ryman.
[08:37] <ekwinix> ryman: yeah. i heard stuff on bootup.
[08:37] <ryman> oh oh
[08:37] <Lancellor> ok thanks
[08:37] <MyNameIsChris> Lancellor, totally ignore that
[08:37] <ryman> ekwinix, thanks
[08:38] <Lancellor> i'm newbie tryng to get into linux
[08:38] <tritium> Sp4rKy, okay, to get suspend-to-ram, you need to edit /etc/default/acpi-support
[08:38] <MyNameIsChris> Lancellor, totally misinterpreted console output
[08:38] <ryman> are you guys using Warty ?
[08:38] <ekwinix> anybody know how to access the root account? i dont think i was ever asked to put in a root password..?
[08:38] <Lancellor> where should i start
[08:38] <thoreauputic> Lancellor: firefox is installed by default
[08:38] <danko123456> I am...
[08:38] <tritium> ekwinix, it's not enabled.  sudo is used instead
[08:38] <MyNameIsChris> thoreauputic, Yeah, but not the latest 1.02
[08:38] <danko123456> If you want more info...
[08:38] <tritium> ekwinix, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:38] <Dreamer3> tritium: any idea where i should look?
[08:38] <Lancellor> i don't hav it
[08:38] <danko123456> This page has a lot of very useful tips: http://ubuntuguide.org/ .
[08:38] <Lancellor> i have kubuntu
[08:39] <danko123456> Ryman, tahts 4 you, I dont know if you got taht already.
[08:39] <thoreauputic> Lancellor: ah
[08:39] <danko123456> I love that page.
[08:39] <tritium> Dreamer3, perhaps try your idea and get rid of renderaccel
[08:39] <ekwinix> tritium: cheers.
[08:39] <tritium> ekwinix,  :)
[08:39] <Dreamer3> tritium: already did that
[08:39] <Lancellor> and is givin me a lot of problems
[08:39] <HappyPills> ryman: did you use alsa to configure your card?
[08:39] <ryman> danko123456, oh no I didn't have that .. thanks
[08:39] <calamari> can anyone recommend a program for recording from a tv card?  I wanted to try MythTV but I don't know how to install it.
[08:39] <danko123456> ryman: then there is http://ubuntulinux.org/ probably saw that already.
[08:39] <ekwinix> brb.
[08:39] <dazed|> thoreauputic: do i have to add multiverse...cuz i thought i had all repos...i am also on warty and its not finding lame
[08:39] <ryman> HappyPills, I don't think I did ... I dont know what alsa is
[08:40] <tritium> Dreamer3, can you verify that you're definitely using NVagp?  I had to blacklist intel_agp to get it working.
[08:40] <thoreauputic> dazed|: lame is "non-free" so yes, you need multiverse
[08:40] <tritium> Dreamer3, cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status
[08:40] <danko123456> ryman: THen there is http://www.kubuntu.org/ if you want to find out why they are pronouncing it wrong...;)
[08:40] <Lancellor> that is ok
[08:40] <Dreamer3> tritium: ok, how do i blacklist via_agp?
[08:40] <tritium> calamari, I use mythtv and love it
[08:41] <HappyPills> alsa is another sound configuration tool. if sound doesn't work originally you may want to try installing alsa and giving it a go.
[08:41] <Lancellor> it is a channel for kubuntu??
[08:41] <tritium> Dreamer3, add it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[08:41] <dazed|> thoreauputic, ahhh well where can i get the info for multiverse to enable it?
[08:41] <bob2> Lancellor: #kubuntu
[08:41] <danko123456> ryman: if you want to know what the difference is between Hoary, and Warty, and why use which, check out : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary/view?searchterm=hoary .
[08:41] <bob2> HappyPills: er, alsa is not a sound configuration tool
[08:41] <yfir> cool, is 'kubuntu' actually a word too?
[08:41] <HappyPills> There is probably a lot on the ubuntu forums if you havn't already popped in and searched
[08:41] <bob2> HappyPills: it's a set of drivers and libraries
[08:41] <Lancellor> thank you i'm ging to try there
[08:41] <HappyPills> bob2: thanks for the correction
[08:41] <ryman> danko123456, thanks
[08:41] <danko123456> yfir: No, I dont think so,
[08:41] <Lancellor> thaks guys
[08:41] <ryman> Kubuntu , nice name
[08:41] <Dreamer3> tritium: then reboot?
[08:42] <danko123456> Justa added k
[08:42] <thoreauputic> dazed|: it's just a question of adding the word  multiverse after universe in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:42] <danko123456> Youre welcome...
[08:42] <thoreauputic> with a space
[08:42] <danko123456> Just some info...
[08:42] <ryman> but it's the same with ubuntu except the KDE and Gnome right ?
[08:42] <yfir> danko123456: that page states that 'kubuntu' means "towards Humanity" in the language Bemba...
[08:42] <dazed|> ohh ok
[08:42] <tritium> Dreamer3, did you first check /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status?
[08:42] <EvilIdler> ALSA is the greatest thing since uncurdled milk (for sound, at least)
[08:42] <danko123456> ryman: I think so...
[08:42] <danko123456> Read on their website.
[08:42] <bob2> HappyPills: which ubuntu uses by default, so people have to go to effort to *not* use it
[08:42] <Dreamer3> tritium: yeah, it's not working cause via_agp is loaded
[08:42] <danko123456> Sweet.
[08:42] <danko123456> yfir: sweet
[08:42] <HappyPills> bob2: really? didn't think I was using it... oh well =P
[08:42] <yfir> hehe, lucky anyway
[08:43] <tritium> Dreamer3, okay, then that's the module you need to blacklilst
[08:43] <thoreauputic> dazed|: see also http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:43] <tritium> Dreamer3, lsmod | grep agp, and look at which agp modules are loaded
[08:43] <e_machinist> Quick Q. There is a tmpfs (temp filesystem) mounted in the size of 125mb... /dev/shm... question is, what the heck is this?
[08:43] <Dreamer3> tritium: agpgart and via_ag
[08:43] <Dreamer3> *via_agp
[08:43] <tritium> Dreamer3, okay, blacklist via_agp
[08:43] <Dreamer3> tritium: ok i did, so now reboot?
[08:44] <tritium> yes
[08:44] <Dreamer3> ok
[08:44] <Dreamer3> brb
[08:44] <danko123456> yfir: we all learned something new today...as Stan likes to say...
[08:44] <danko123456> Or is it Kyle?
[08:44] <John--> kyle
[08:44] <danko123456> haha
[08:44] <John--> actually I think they both say it
[08:44] <danko123456> Totally awesome...
[08:44] <yfir> danko123456: I don't know Stan or Kyle, but very true.
[08:44] <tritium> calamari, mythtv is in multiverse.
[08:44] <e_machinist> Anyone have any ideas? I'm stumped... I have been looking around.. can't find any information though.
[08:45] <danko123456> All: I loved the critter christmas...
[08:45] <danko123456> One of my favorites.
[08:45] <dfnt`snybole> hello everyone, just downloaded ubuntu over the night and I have one question, is it relativly easy to set up wireless through ubuntu?
[08:45] <danko123456> What computer?
[08:45] <bob2> dfnt`snybole: depends on the card
[08:45] <danko123456> UI mean,..
[08:45] <locomorto> Is there anyway i can get GnomeBittorrent to shut down my computer when it finsihes downloading  file?
[08:45] <John--> depends on the card
[08:45] <locomorto> a file*
[08:45] <danko123456> dfnt`snybole: what card...
[08:45] <HappyPills> dfnt`snybole: very much depends on the card
[08:45] <calamari> Tritium: I have the program installed (I know, I said I didn't, but I do not know the correct word for my situation.. it is synaptic/apt installed, but it's not really installed because I can't run it)
[08:45] <dfnt`snybole> Dont have any card, I have an usb stick, zyAIR g-220
[08:45] <danko123456> Airport Extreme wont wont work.
[08:45] <danko123456> wow.
[08:45] <bob2> dfnt`snybole: what chipset does it use?
[08:46] <ryman> what's the differrent between KDE and Gnome ? just the themes ?
[08:46] <yfir> locomorto: dont' think so but you might be able to get shutdown to do that...
[08:46] <tritium> calamari, oh, sorry...I misunderstood you
[08:46] <dfnt`snybole> Got it to work in slackware
[08:46] <danko123456> ryman:
[08:46] <calamari> maybe not configured is closer :)
[08:46] <e_machinist> My compy has a tmpfs mounted at /dev/shm in the size of 125mb... anyone have any Idea what this is for?
[08:46] <dfnt`snybole> bob2: what do you mean?
[08:46] <HappyPills> dfnt`snybole: I had major issues with setting up ndiswrapper, yet I know other people who got wireless working painlessly
[08:46] <thoreauputic> danko123456: blame Broadcom ( re: Airport Extreme )
[08:46] <e_machinist> I have never noticed it mount it before.
[08:46] <danko123456> Read it up.., its quite extensive
[08:46] <locomorto> yfir: shutdown?
[08:46] <danko123456> ryman: there is some philosophy behind it...
[08:47] <calamari> tritium: do I have to worry about all that sql and mythtv user stuff?  it really confuses me
[08:47] <dfnt`snybole> HappyPills: I had to move on from ndiswrapper to some other crappy "driverload", but I'm hoping to get ndiswrapper to work now on ubuntu
[08:47] <danko123456> ryman: like, KDE is trying to look like WIndows? and gnome is different,
[08:47] <yfir> locomorto: the command shutdown. it would be difficult, but one easy messy thing to do is just try to time it right.
[08:47] <difekta> somehow when I click on links in thunderbird, they are opening in konquerer, even though i'm in gnome.  wtf
[08:47] <danko123456> Youll notice that the ok, and cancel are switched around in gnome.
[08:47] <thoreauputic> locomorto: shutdown -h now is the command to halt the machine
[08:47] <tritium> calamari, not really, the install does most of that for you
[08:47] <yfir> locomorto: man shutdown would explain it better than I though...
[08:47] <dazed|> where does grip rip the files too my home folder? i cant seem to find where i can change the directory of where the files go
[08:48] <ryman> HappyPills, I dont know what is alsa .. can you show me ?
[08:48] <Dreamer3> ok
[08:48] <Dreamer3> now what test if it's nvagp or not?
[08:48] <danko123456> difekta: your default bvrowser,?
[08:48] <ryman> danko123456, i c
[08:48] <danko123456> yeah
[08:48] <Xeon3D> lm-sensors is now working.. I can see the temps, but the fan speeds are all at 0
[08:48] <calamari> tritium: oic, thanks
[08:48] <danko123456> kinda cool
[08:48] <thoreauputic> dazed|: probably  "mp3" in your home dir
[08:48] <tritium> Dreamer3, cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status
[08:48] <thoreauputic> dazed|: it can be configured in grip though
[08:48] <danko123456> Xeon3D: wow you got taht worjking...sweet
[08:49] <yfir> dazed|: you set that in the "encode" file format under the config->encode tab
[08:49] <HappyPills> ryman: the package name is 'alsa-base'
[08:49] <Dreamer3> tritium: ok, now nvidia is there, but i still hvae the same problem
[08:49] <tritium> calamari, I wish I could walk you through it, but it has been a while since I installed it.
[08:49] <locomorto> quickly, does GnomeBittorrent close automaticly on exit?
[08:49] <tritium> Dreamer3, hmm...
[08:49] <HappyPills> you can install it via synaptic or by typing 'sudo apt-get install alsa-base'
[08:49] <yfir> dazed|: put something like this in the config -> encode tab: ~/temp/%A - %d (%y)/%t - %n.%x
[08:49] <danko123456> Good luck with the sound card, Ryman, and all with your issues.
[08:49] <danko123456> Im off.
[08:50] <dazed|> ok i got that...now how to i make it encode to mp3? not .wav?
[08:50] <yfir> dazed|: if you want them to be encoded in ~/temp for example
[08:50] <ryman> danko123456, thanks goodnight
[08:50] <danko123456> Bye
[08:50] <ryman> HappyPills, thanks .. let me try it
[08:50] <HappyPills> ryman: if it isn't already installed you may also want 'alsa-utils'
[08:50] <Xeon3D> danko123456: please don't act as I can't do anything... I can follow instructions perfectly. Just that nobody showed me, or told me about that thread yesterday.
[08:50] <Dreamer3> tritium: i have like 300+ extra FPS now
[08:50] <Dreamer3> tizen: not no console :(
[08:50] <HappyPills> as for using it I would ask someone else because I didn't need to use it myself...
[08:50] <tritium> Dreamer3, well, that's a plus...
[08:51] <calamari> tritium: how do I start the program?  is there a certain command?
[08:51] <thoreauputic> dazed|: under config >> encode
[08:51] <dazed|> do i change it in the rip tab from '~/mp3/%A/%d/%n.wav' to '~/mp3/%A/%d/%n.mp3'
[08:51] <ekwinix> i'm new to linux - but is there a theme manager specific for ubuntu?
[08:51] <zendog> a theme manager? gnome?
[08:51] <dazed|> i dont see anything in the encoding tab to change  to mp3?
[08:51] <ryman> HappyPills, it shows that alsa is installed in Synaptic package manager
[08:51] <tritium> calamari, I recall adding users to the mythtv group and then running mythtvsetup
[08:52] <ekwinix> zendog: ubuntu runs gnome?
[08:52] <locomorto> you just get GTK2 themes at www.gnomelook.org or you toher fav site
[08:52] <ekwinix> oh ok.
[08:52] <tritium> mythtv-setup, rather, as one of those users in the mythtv group
[08:52] <locomorto> ekwinix: yes
[08:52] <yfir> dazed|: that will put your raw rips (not encoded) to ~/mp3/Artistname/Albumname and create those directories
[08:52] <dazed|> yfir: damn...im confused then lol
[08:53] <calamari> tritium: thanks.. but then how do I actually run the program?
[08:53] <thoreauputic> dazed|: it rips to wav, then encodes
[08:53] <tritium> calamari, after you get it setup, you can run /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart.  Then, try mythfrontend
[08:53] <HappyPills> okay... I can't help you with configuring alsa, but someone else may be able to here.
[08:53] <calamari> oic.. thanks
[08:53] <yfir> dazed|: you can read about the weird looking configuration switches in the grip help
[08:53] <tritium> sure
[08:53] <dazed|> ohhh so once it encodes itll goto mp3?
[08:53] <ryman> HappyPills,  thanks
[08:54] <HappyPills> actually, on the offchance it may be configured already can you open xmms ryman ?
[08:54] <yfir> dazed|: it's simple actually. just remember as thoreauputic said, you have separate places for riped and encoded files. you have an option to delete the unencoded files after they've been encoded
[08:54] <HappyPills> than press ctrl-P
[08:54] <thoreauputic> dazed|: it deletes the wav files when it's finished
[08:54] <ekwinix> locomorto: i downloaded a theme.. is there a program i can use to put it onto my computer?
[08:55] <HappyPills> and change the output plugin to alsa
[08:55] <ryman> HappyPills, I tried to play mp3 file with xmms
[08:55] <ryman> it played but there is no sound
[08:55] <thoreauputic> ekwinix: just open the change theme dialog and drag it there
[08:55] <dazed|> alright thanks guys and is there a reason its only going around 3x
[08:56] <yfir> hmm, that's weird. now when I start grip it complains that it can't initialize dev/cdrom ... :(
[08:56] <yfir> haven't tried it since switching to hoary
[08:56] <ryman> HappyPills, it's playing but there is no sound
[08:56] <thoreauputic> dazed|: heh - read the help: it's quite helpful, funnily enough ;-)
[08:57] <ryman> Can DVD burner work on Ubuntu ?
[08:57] <Idefiks> where can i find the log for installation of ubuntu?
[08:57] <dazed|> thoreauputic, lol i really need to start doing that especially since 99% of linux programs come with a man lol
[08:57] <micmur> I have a weird question
[08:57] <micmur> I'm trying to install nmap
[08:57] <micmur> It asks me for the preview disc
[08:57] <ekwinix> thoreauputic: how do i open the change theme dialogue..?
[08:57] <micmur> But the preview disc is no longer available
[08:58] <thoreauputic> dazed|: yes, but grip has a "real" help option as well :)
[08:58] <yfir> micmur: you could remove preview disc from your repository list
[08:58] <micmur> ah
[08:58] <micmur> Didn't think about that, lol
[08:58] <thoreauputic> ekwinix: in wart, computer - desktop  prefs - theme
[08:58] <Idefiks> where can i find the log for install of ubuntu? Please msg mee.....
[08:59] <GoneBoB> Idefiks: what exactly do you need
[08:59] <ekwinix> thoreauputic: thankyou
[09:00] <dazed|> alright well it tells me to add 'hdx=ide-scsi' and replace 'x' with my cdrom drive now if my cd rom drive is drive one then its cdrom0 should i put a 0 or 1?
[09:00] <thoreauputic> ekwinix: no worries :)
[09:00] <micmur> yfir:thanks
[09:00] <micmur> I installed portsentry and want to make sure everything is working
[09:00] <Dreamer3> tritium: any ideas?
[09:01] <thoreauputic> dazed|: no, ide-scsi is deprecated - try /dev/hdc
[09:01] <xukun> I just updated to hoary, installed the nvidia-glx, did nvidia-glx-config enable. modproped nvidia but now if I startx I get error "Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!"
[09:01] <xukun> any idea's?
[09:01] <tritium> Dreamer3, no, I can't think of anything further, sorry.
[09:01] <tritium> xukun, do you have linux-restricted-modules that match your kernel?
[09:02] <xukun> tritium, hmm, how can I check that?
[09:03] <dazed|> thoreauputic, whatever that means hahah im a moron at 2 in the morning lol
[09:03] <tritium> xukun, first, check your kernel version with uname -r.
[09:03] <thoreauputic> dazed|: under CD tab you should see something like /dev/hdc or /dev/hdd depending on your drive
[09:04] <thoreauputic> "CD rom device"
[09:04] <xukun> tritium, 2.6.8.1-5-386
[09:04] <dazed|> yeah i see that i should add that line instead...also it says to add it to grub.conf if i use grub and i cant find grub.conf in /etc/
[09:04] <dazed|> thoreauputic, ^
[09:04] <tritium> xukun, that's an old kernel from Warty.
[09:04] <thoreauputic> dazed|: you don't need to mess with grub
[09:05] <thoreauputic> dazed|: that instruction is for old kernels
[09:05] <ubuntu_> hi im useing ubuntu live and i cant see my harddrive, can someone help me to see it?
[09:05] <dazed|> ohhh ok
[09:05] <dazed|> so thats pretty much useless info then lol
[09:06] <thoreauputic> dazed|: 2.6 kernels don't use scsi emulation, so ignore that
[09:06] <locomorto> "sudo mount /dev/hda1 -t ntfs -o umask=0222" into the console if you only have one partition and it is a NTFS one
[09:06] <locomorto> wait
[09:06] <thoreauputic> dazed|: the help hasn't caught up :)
[09:06] <BuffaloSoldier> ubuntu_, a little more detail might make it easier for people in here to help you
[09:06] <ubuntu_> its a mepis partition
[09:06] <xukun> tritium, I thought changing in the sources.list from Warty to hoary and upate and then dist-upgrade will do the trick
[09:06] <xukun> hmm
[09:06] <locomorto> "sudo mount /dev/hda1  /media.windows -t ntfs -o umask=0222", after typing "sudo mkdir /media/windows"
[09:06] <dazed|> lol so my best bet is disabling paranoia to get the 2x speed boost?
[09:07] <ubuntu_> i believe its a fat32
[09:07] <tritium> xukun, did you reboot into the latest kernel?
[09:08] <difekta> my default browser is firefox.
[09:09] <thoreauputic> dazed|: the grip interface is a bit complex/unintuitive - play around a bit and you'll get the hang of it
[09:09] <xukun> tritium, thanks I think I found the problem. I will let you know if it works
[09:09] <dazed|> is a .ogg an encoded version?
[09:09] <xukun> bbl
[09:09] <dazed|> of a song?
[09:09] <tritium> xukun, ok
[09:09] <thoreauputic> dazed|: yes, ogg is a Free codec/format
[09:09] <yfir> dazed|: .ogg is basically an open source version of .mp3
[09:10] <deFrysk> dazed|, ogg is comaprable with mp3
[09:10] <dazed|> then i use lame to convert to mp3? or is it fine as .ogg?
[09:10] <deFrysk> just better
[09:10] <zendog> dazed|, and sounds better, and its smaller...
[09:10] <dazed|> so its fine as .ogg
[09:10] <difekta> vorbis rules.
[09:10] <zendog> yeah
[09:10] <dazed|> excellent
[09:10] <difekta> well, it can be smaller, or sound better, or some mix of both.
[09:10] <thoreauputic> dazed|: it's fine as ogg - but if you want mp3 you might need to install mpg123 or mpg321
[09:10] <difekta> all the music on my site is available in vorbis, aac, and mp3.
[09:11] <difekta> why would you want to turn an ogg into an mp3?
[09:11] <difekta> that's crazy.
[09:11] <dazed|> i have learned so much in my 3-5 weeks on ubuntu then my 10 years on windows lol
[09:11] <thoreauputic> dazed|: those two mpg encoders are similar but mpg321 is more "Free"
[09:11] <yfir> difekta: not all mp3 hard players can handle .ogg
[09:11] <old_Sp4rKy> i'm sorry but i've again lost my internet connection
[09:11] <old_Sp4rKy> please recontact me
[09:11] <yfir> shame, but a reality
[09:12] <parki> what is the apt-get command that does synaptic's smart update?
[09:12] <Burgundavia> dist-upgrade
[09:13] <parki> Burgundavia : thanks.
[09:13] <Burgundavia> parki: np
[09:14] <old_Sp4rKy> i'm talking about acpi on dell laptop with somebody when my connection has broken
[09:14] <yfir> dazed|: that's one of the primary benefits of linux - eventually you actually understand what it's doing
[09:14] <difekta> yfir no kidding.
[09:14] <yfir> more or less
[09:14] <da_bon_bon> hey debian are such fags! they wont let debian based distros use their repos, right ?! :P
[09:14] <difekta> just don't buy a player that doesn't handle ogg. simple.
[09:14] <dazed|> whats the code to get broken packages off the install list?
[09:14] <yfir> difekta: good policy
[09:14] <tritium> da_bon_bon, let's not talk that way please
[09:14] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: sure they will
[09:14] <Spitfire7001> i just installed ubuntu and when i type startx after i log in it said bad command? how do i start the GUI
[09:14] <thoreauputic> tritium: da_bon_bon has.. er.. a track record
[09:15] <dazed|> yfir: thats a very good point i have caught myself actually understanding errors it gives me and being able to fix them based on the computers response
[09:15] <da_bon_bon> tritium: then why ? why ? why is debian being such a ...
[09:15] <parki> da_bon_bon : you can use debian repos
[09:15] <bob2> Spitfire7001: install the x-window-system-core package
[09:15] <da_bon_bon> parki: sure ?
[09:15] <bob2> da_bon_bon: what on earth are you talkng about?
[09:15] <tritium> da_bon_bon, I don't know, but it doesn't matter here...
[09:15] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: troll elsewhere, please
[09:15] <calamari> mythtv is impossible... are there any other programs that I can use to record from a tv card?
[09:15] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: i am /trolling/ ?!?
[09:15] <bob2> da_bon_bon: anyone can use Debian repositories for any purpose.   please do research before complaining.
[09:15] <Spitfire7001> how do i install that
[09:15] <yfir> dazed|: one of the things that drives me crazy about Windows - I don't know what it's doing and there's no way to find out (apart from reverse engineering, but that's beyond my abilities)
[09:15] <bob2> da_bon_bon: you're trolling or terribly misinformed.  either way, it's off-topic here.
[09:16] <tritium> calamari, what's the problem?
[09:16] <bob2> Spitfire7001: it's installed by default.  you just did a default install?
[09:16] <Spitfire7001> yes
[09:16] <da_bon_bon> bob2: terribly misinformed :( by someone on #debian, FYI
[09:16] <bob2> da_bon_bon: no, you werent
[09:16] <tritium> calamari, did you run mythtv-setup?
[09:16] <Spitfire7001> just popped the CD in and followed directions
[09:16] <calamari> tritium: I have no clue what I'm doing.. I'm spolied by the fact that most other programs I've installed "just work" :)
[09:16] <calamari> tritium: yeah
[09:16] <bob2> da_bon_bon: at least not on this network
[09:17] <bob2> Spitfire7001: where did you get the CD from?
[09:17] <tritium> calamari, did you add users to the mythtv group and try running mythfrontend?
[09:17] <da_bon_bon> bob2: right. not on freenode
[09:17] <Spitfire7001> ubuntu's website
[09:17] <Spitfire7001> downloaded the ISO
[09:17] <calamari> tritium: there's what IU get now when trying to run the backend
[09:17] <calamari> IU -> I
[09:17] <calamari> Resolving datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com... 206.18.98.160
[09:17] <calamari> Connecting to datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com[206.18.98.160] :80... connected.
[09:17] <calamari> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Unauthorized
[09:17] <bob2> da_bon_bon: ignore the ones that aren't on freenode or oftc
[09:17] <calamari> Authorization failed.
[09:17] <da_bon_bon> bob2: oh, my bad then :( whats oftc ?
[09:17] <tritium> calamari, did you setup a Zap2it account yet?
[09:18] <bob2> da_bon_bon: irc.oftc.net
[09:18] <calamari> no
[09:18] <tritium> calamari, you need to do that
[09:18] <Spitfire7001> should i try re-installing it
[09:19] <bob2> Spitfire7001: if you don't have startx, something went wrong
[09:19] <dracflamloc> =X
[09:19] <Spitfire7001> yeah i guess it seemed to have installed fine
[09:19] <da_bon_bon> bob2: btw, how did u know that i was not informed on freenode's #debian ?
[09:19] <Spitfire7001> i guess not
[09:19] <bob2> da_bon_bon: I have very long logs
[09:19] <ubuntu_> i have pro mepis installed on my thinkpad.  im running the ubuntu live cd.  i was wondering is someone could help me to view my other partitions.
[09:20] <Spitfire7001> i'l just try reinstalling it
[09:20] <da_bon_bon> bob2: but u r currently not on #debian here
[09:20] <bob2> da_bon_bon: yes I am
[09:20] <da_bon_bon> bob2: whois doesnt show u that way
[09:20] <bob2> da_bon_bon: indeed
[09:21] <da_bon_bon> bob2: how so ?
[09:21] <bob2> da_bon_bon: whois won't show me being in any channels, unless you're in there with me
[09:21] <da_bon_bon> bob2: why does it show only ubuntu ?
[09:21] <bob2> da_bon_bon: because the only channel we are both in is #ubuntu
[09:22] <da_bon_bon> bob2: and how did u set it to be that way ?
[09:22] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: he has it configured that way
[09:22] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: and how ?
[09:22] <bob2> da_bon_bon: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[09:22] <ruffian> Hello
[09:23] <da_bon_bon> bob2: oh maybe u r a donor?
[09:23] <bob2> da_bon_bon: hell no
[09:23] <ruffian> when i do ifconfig, it doesn't who my real ip address?  inet addr:192.168.0.1 ?
[09:23] <ruffian> Why is that?
[09:23] <tritium> ruffian, are you behind a router?
[09:23] <bob2> ruffian: no, it's right, it's showing your machine's ip address
[09:23] <ruffian> tritium: yes
[09:23] <bob2> ruffian: presumably your router is doing NAT, it has the external IP
[09:24] <da_bon_bon> bob2: then, well, i wont read all that :) i am pretty comfortable with someone knowing as to what channel i am on :) :D ;)
[09:24] <ruffian> bob2: Ah ok. That must be the reason why i can't connect to my computer from outside
[09:24] <tritium> ruffian, you can setup port forwarding
[09:24] <Dreamer3> ok, anyone else with nvidia here?
[09:24] <ruffian> tritium: Do you know any tutorial?
[09:24] <zenrox> Dreamer3,  me
[09:24] <bob2> ruffian: yes
[09:24] <ruffian> bob2: url?
[09:25] <Dreamer3> zenrox: when i try and switch to console from X i get the power saving mode of my LCD, same thing when exiting X, any ideas?
[09:25] <ruffian> don't worry i will try google first
[09:25] <_4strO> mIRC v6.14 Khaled Mardam-Bey
[09:25] <tritium> ruffian, do you know how to administer the router from a web browser?
[09:26] <zenrox> Dreamer3,  dont know thats a big prob i dont have or at least never encounted it
[09:26] <Dreamer3> tritium: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/L5UIpo17.html
[09:26] <Dreamer3> tritium: think the apm error has anything to do with it?
[09:26] <bob2> ruffian: depends entirely on your router, look in the manual it came with
[09:26] <ssj4wookie> i have pro mepis installed on my thinkpad.  im running the ubuntu live cd.  i was wondering is someone could help me to view my other partitions.
[09:26] <tritium> Dreamer3, yeah, I think it probably does.  Are you not using acpi?
[09:26] <Dreamer3> tritium: i am using acpi
[09:27] <bob2> ssj4wookie: no need to keep repeating
[09:27] <ruffian> tritium: Yes i do. I have just found a google faq on google. I will try that first :)
[09:27] <ssj4wookie> sorry
[09:27] <bob2> ssj4wookie: same as you'd mount it on any other linux OS, 'fdisk -l /dev/whatever' tp list the the partitions
[09:27] <tritium> Dreamer3, you're using the ubuntu nvidia module, or something you downloaded from nvidia site?
[09:27] <da_bon_bon> bob2: oh ok, u r +i
[09:27] <bob2> ssj4wookie: then 'sudo mount -t type /dev/whatever /mnt'
[09:27] <ruffian> bob2: Yes true. I just found some info on google, should be ok now
[09:27] <Dreamer3> tritium: all the ubuntu stuff
[09:27] <ssj4wookie> thanks
[09:28] <tritium> ruffian, okay, it should be fairly straightforward.  let me know how it goes for you
[09:28] <tritium> Dreamer3, okay, good
[09:28] <Dreamer3> tritium: not good, it doesn't work :)
[09:28] <tritium> Dreamer3, actually, I get those same Warnings
[09:28] <Dreamer3> tritium: but yours works
[09:28] <ruffian> tritium: Yes i will. Thank you
[09:28] <Dreamer3> tritium: hmmmm
[09:29] <Dreamer3> tritium: can you paste your xorg.conf file somewhere?
[09:29] <tritium> Dreamer3, okay
[09:30] <tritium> Dreamer3, http://www.pastebin.com/267352
[09:30] <ekwinix> is there any reason why i cant play songs on an ntfs partition? i applied the partition using the steps shown http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions/view?searchterm=mount%20%20ntfs
[09:31] <dfnt`snybole> what "bootloader" is there in ubuntu? I've only been using lilo, and I have to have windows installed on this computer since its a family computer
[09:31] <bob2> dfnt`snybole: grub
[09:31] <e_machinist> Does ubuntu install a firewall by default or do I need to get one?
[09:31] <bob2> e_machinist: it doesn't, and you don't need one
[09:32] <e_machinist> Thanks bob2
[09:32] <bob2> unless you're doing something complicated
[09:32] <dfnt`snybole> bob2: and it's easy to configure to have both ubuntu and windows?
[09:32] <zendog> ekwinix, so u followed those steps, and you can't see your partition in: Computer >>>> Disks ???
[09:32] <e_machinist> I just use the internet in general... I don't need a firewall?
[09:33] <HappyPills> dfnt`snybole: yes
[09:33] <mitrick> hello
[09:33] <bob2> dfnt`snybole: it will be configured like that by default
[09:33] <Elyseum> e_machinist, no u don't
[09:33] <zendog> hi mitrick
[09:33] <mitrick> i would like to know more about that sudo thing on ubuntu
[09:33] <bob2> e_machinist: are you behind a dsl router or whatever?
[09:33] <thoreauputic> e_machinist: ubuntu runs no serbices by default
[09:33] <dfnt`snybole> Ah, great, thanks
[09:33] <bob2> mitrick: sudo is not an ubuntu thing, it's a generic unix thing
[09:33] <HappyPills> You can even install windows second if you know what you are doing dfnt`snybole
[09:33] <zendog> mitrick, man sudo :)
[09:33] <mitrick> i know what it is but why there is no root on ubuntu
[09:33] <dfnt`snybole> HappyPills: I never know what I'm doing :)
[09:34] <mitrick> i just read that on net
[09:34] <HappyPills> =P
[09:34] <e_machinist> No, I am not behind a dsl router or anything.
[09:34] <bob2> mitrick: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:34] <zendog> mitrick, there is root in ubuntu :)
[09:34] <bob2> e_machinist: and your internet connection is ...
[09:34] <e_machinist> bob2, dialup
[09:34] <pepsi> what do i need to make dvds work?
[09:34] <bob2> e_machinist: ubuntu runs no services by default
[09:35] <bob2> pepsi: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:35] <bob2> pepsi: that's in the FAQ...
[09:35] <ssj4wookie> where do you view newly mounted partitions?. sorry im a gnome newbie
[09:35] <ekwinix> zendog: i can see the partition. ic an see all my files
[09:35] <bob2> e_machinist: so unless you install extra stuff you're worried about, you don' need to worry...
[09:35] <bob2> ssj4wookie: /mnt
[09:35] <ekwinix> but when i try and open an mp3 it says otem could not play 'file:///home/ekwinix/Desktop/Notorious B.I.G_/Life After Death Disc 1/02 Somebody's Gotta Die.mp3'.
[09:35] <ekwinix> Failed to open; reason unknown
[09:35] <ekwinix> (sorry for the music choice. led zeppelin is on my other hd :P)
[09:35] <e_machinist> I was just wondering if it is a potential security breache to not run a firewall.
[09:35] <mitrick> hmm looks ok for me for root now
[09:35] <pepsi> bob2, thx
[09:36] <ssj4wookie> thanks
[09:36] <zendog> ekwinix, so, now its all right? :)
[09:36] <mitrick> cuz im thinking of trying ubuntu soon when the new hoary will be out
[09:36] <ekwinix> btw- i've already copied the fiels to my desktop.
[09:36] <ekwinix> nope. its still not playing. i might try another player.
[09:36] <thoreauputic> e_machinist: if you have no services running, there's really nothing to crack
[09:36] <e_machinist> ... I'm running a full Gnome desktop.
[09:36] <zendog> ekwinix, hmm... xtrange, leet me check it...
[09:36] <mitrick> will i be able to apt-get kde 3.4 on ubuntu?
[09:36] <bob2> ekwinix: please read the FAQ, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:37] <ekwinix> ok thanks.
[09:37] <zendog> ekwinix, do you chmod or chown the files?
[09:37] <thoreauputic> e_machinist: yes, but no servers, right?
[09:37] <e_machinist> No servers, just my dialup connection.
[09:37] <ekwinix> i put RO permissions on al the files.
[09:37] <ekwinix> but i'm also the owner.
[09:37] <thoreauputic> e_machinist: then there's nothing to worry about
[09:38] <e_machinist> oh, I see. I did not know that.
[09:38] <e_machinist> haha.
[09:38] <zendog> ekwinix, i see, the problem is unix wildcard naming standard, rename the file, delete the slashes in the file...
[09:38] <e_machinist> How come some computer people make such a huge deal out of firewalls then?
[09:38] <thoreauputic> e_machinist: if you start running ssh or nfs or something like that, then you could install Firestarter as a firewall
[09:38] <zendog> ekwinix, make the mp3 name without / slashes...
[09:39] <thoreauputic> e_machinist: hah - this isn't Windows
[09:39] <zendog> ekwinix something like this: Life After Death Disc 1-02 Somebody's Gotta Die.mp3
[09:40] <bob2> zendog: um
[09:40] <holycow> e_machinist, the kernel supports firewalling by default via ip tables by the way
[09:40] <bob2> e_machinist: some computer people are trying to sell you stuff
[09:40] <holycow> what the means is that a whole whack of proffessional grade firewalls out there litterally run on the linux kernel
[09:40] <bob2> e_machinist: and windows is poorly configured by default with a variety of running and exploitable services
[09:40] <holycow> i.e. you are running a firewall :)
[09:40] <bob2> zendog: er, how would renaming it help?
[09:40] <holycow> provided it is configured properly of course
[09:40] <e_machinist> Nah, I was just checking out Firestarter. Looked interesting.
[09:41] <holycow> firestarter is just a front end for ip tables
[09:41] <holycow> i.e. firestarter is not the firewall
[09:41] <holycow> your kernel is
[09:41] <holycow> firestarter just configures the rules via gui for you
[09:41] <e_machinist> Yah I know about it being a front end for the iptables.
[09:41] <zendog> bob2, hehe, because the audio client thinks the / is for delimiting directories...
[09:41] <e_machinist> Thought it was interesting.
[09:41] <bob2> zendog: it is
[09:41] <bob2> zendog: the kernel will not let you have a filename with / in it
[09:41] <bob2> er, maybe it will
[09:42] <zendog> bob2, hehe, u right man, mistake...
[09:42] <holycow> *nod* most windows users are so used to being virus, spyware, and basically having their windows remote controlled from china that they have a hard time with the 'linux' as firewall idea
[09:42] <ruffian> ok, brb
[09:42] <zendog> ekwinix, so, then check permissions dude :)
[09:43] <holycow> also, don't forget unix runs the internet basically, i know of no 'firewall' in the zonealarm sense on unix
[09:43] <e_machinist> holycow, I don't have any trouble understanding the basic unix principles when it comes to firewalls... I used Mac OS X for years before I changed to linux.
[09:43] <holycow> just outlining the concepts, don't get pissy
[09:43] <e_machinist> I'm not haha. Sorry.. I'll add some hahas in next time.
[09:43] <holycow> :) deal
[09:43] <e_machinist> :D
[09:44] <thoreauputic> the pitfalls of IRC communication :)
[09:44] <e_machinist> So what is your guys views on the BSDs?
[09:44] <holycow> just out of curiosity, why osx to linux?
[09:44] <e_machinist> heh.
[09:44] <holycow> its usually the other way around
[09:44] <holycow> they are excellent imho
[09:44] <e_machinist> I like OS X just fine... I like the huge customiz-ability and pure Free concepts behind linux.
[09:45] <holycow> ah neat
[09:45] <thoreauputic> e_machinist: #ubuntu isn't given to OS holy wars ;-)
[09:45] <holycow> me too
[09:45] <e_machinist> heh, I know thoreauputic I was just joking on the BSD jibe.
[09:45] <thoreauputic> e_machinist: I know :)
[09:46] <e_machinist> Besides... linux has everything and more than apple does pretty much... and it is non-proprietary.
[09:46] <thoreauputic> OS-X is very slick, but I find I use Ubuntu on my iBook for preference
[09:47] <difekta> i use windows xp on my ibook.
[09:47] <thoreauputic> difekta: heheh
[09:47] <e_machinist> Yah OS X is definitely slick... was kinda jumpy back on 10.1 when I first started using it, but Jag and Panther are definitely slick.
[09:47] <difekta> :)
[09:47] <difekta> beos is the best os.
[09:47] <difekta> i run that.
[09:47] <difekta> i made it.
[09:47] <holycow> ii use debian on my toaster
[09:47] <holycow> i'm apt getting 4 slice upgrade right now
[09:47] <difekta> lol
[09:47] <e_machinist> Linux just identifies better than apples "it just works" philosophy.
[09:48] <holycow> just works requires 'editing'
[09:48] <holycow> *nod* i hear ya
[09:48] <difekta> i read this awesome article in the san francisco bay Guardian today about how the EFF has an office down in the Mission district here, where they are making MythTV/TV boxes that support HD with no broadcast flag.
[09:48] <difekta> the broadcast flag is about economics and squeezing out small companies, not about piracy.
[09:48] <e_machinist> I would rather spend an afternoon getting something to work under GNU/Linux than even staring at a perfectly working OS X installation. HAHA!
[09:48] <difekta> it's about monopolies.
[09:49] <difekta> time for bed
[09:49] <holycow> what attracts me is the community first
[09:49] <bob2> difekta: preaching to the choir...
[09:49] <holycow> second the openness to learn as much as i want
[09:49] <holycow> to muck about as much as i want as well
[09:49] <e_machinist> holycow, you are right. The apple community is one thing, but the GNU/Linux community has a much stronger sense of community.
[09:49] <holycow> but mostly because microsoft or apple no longer matter at all
[09:49] <thoreauputic> bob2: sometimes the choir goes to sleep during the sermon ;-)
[09:50] <jagera27> back again-just tried out lftp but get a 'Not connected' msg. and  'try help put for more information' based on the man this is the line i used
[09:50] <holycow> its no longer about marketshare, and screwing who you can to get ahead, it's about somewhat of a sharing thing, knowledge doesn't lend it self to economic principles of the industrial age
[09:51] <thoreauputic> holycow: amen, brother! Preach it!
[09:51] <thoreauputic> holycow: ;-)
[09:51] <holycow> it's liberating not to give a shit if ms lives, dies, if everyone uses their shitty os or not :)
[09:51] <jagera27> sudo lftp -e put /home/nick/Jagera27Home.html -u 026655555,pasword  http://home.exetel.com.au/jagera27
[09:51] <holycow> long live ubuntu and debian (and user linux when they get around to it ) ;)
[09:52] <e_machinist> Heh, forget the liberation factor... I just enjoy having the freedom of being able to rip the kernel apart if I feel like it to change something...
[09:52] <e_machinist> not that I have.. but the option is there.
[09:52] <e_machinist> :D
[09:52] <holycow> thoreauputic, don't get me going :)
[09:52] <holycow> hehe
[09:52] <holycow> e_machinist, i found linux a bit of a perplexing thing
[09:52] <thoreauputic> holycow: I thought you were already "going" ;-)
[09:53] <holycow> i actually customize less than i ever did windows
[09:53] <dfnt`snybole> hum strange, I've downloaded ubuntu (through the torrent), how big should it be? Because when I try to burn it, at 100% it failes, 3 times in a row now
[09:53] <Sp4rKy> somebody could help me
[09:53] <e_machinist> Customize is such a loose term.
[09:53] <holycow> i just set it up and leave the fucking thing :)  it's kinda boring actually in a way (or maybe i'm just boring)
[09:53] <thoreauputic> jagera27: isn't that kind of the hard way? why not connect and then "put"
[09:53] <Sp4rKy> i can't install my dell printer over ubuntu
[09:53] <holycow> on windows i downloaded everything under the sun and man, let me tell ya, i never got the feeling of 'my productive desktop'
[09:53] <holycow> just me tho
[09:54] <holycow> thoreauputic, haha :)
[09:54] <jagera27> how tho?
[09:54] <holycow> i love this shit :)
[09:54] <e_machinist> I find it exciting... when I first loaded up Debian in 2000 just getting to the command prompt was exhilirating.
[09:54] <Misogynist> Windows is a bit of a strange beast in that there are very few applications on the platform that seem "native".
[09:54] <holycow> i started around there too
[09:54] <holycow> i tried debian first, but i couldn't get past command line, i ran redhat and suse for about a year and a half
[09:54] <thoreauputic> jagera27: just lftp ftp://ftp.wahtever.com  then user name, pass etc
[09:55] <holycow> when i tried to get stuff to work, rpm's of course never helped, may as well just compiled everything from scratch
[09:55] <holycow> then i tried debian on a lark
[09:55] <holycow> haven't looked back
[09:55] <Misogynist> Yeah, Fedora is okay now that they finally caught up with a halfway-decent package manager
[09:55] <jagera27> thanks. i'll try it
[09:55] <Misogynist> But the upgrade process still kind of sucks
[09:55] <e_machinist> Yah, in 1999 I ran debian.... X was a mother flipper to get running back then... then moved to redhat in 2000
[09:55] <Misogynist> It's basically "back up, flatten, install new version"
[09:56] <zendog> holycow yep, after .deb, i completely forgot those rpm nightmares....
[09:56] <thoreauputic> jagera27: login user pass
[09:56] <holycow> yeah i was a windows weenie back then, i couldn't config shit either, only ran suse because of the purdy gui installer
[09:56] <e_machinist> Redhat feels icky... MS wannabe sortof... then Mandrake in 2002-3. Then went back to debian... I consider debian to be a very pure distribution.
[09:56] <Misogynist> Certainly less convenient than apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:56] <holycow> zendog, amen brotha
[09:56] <e_machinist> Same with Ubuntu... very pure.
[09:56] <Misogynist> Yeah, SuSE 7.3 was my first distro
[09:56] <Burgundavia> RH 8.0
[09:56] <Misogynist> Though in hindsight there wasn't much reason for me to use it since I basically jumped in the deep end after installing it anyway
[09:56] <Burgundavia> that was a *great* distro
[09:56] <holycow> 7.3 was the first suse i ran too ... or was it 8? *hmmm*
[09:57] <Misogynist> Three days in I had a custom-compiled kernel and I had recompiled KDE for anti-aliased fonts
[09:57] <e_machinist> I compiled my first kernel on debian.... took me a week to figure it out.
[09:57] <Misogynist> Breaking damn near my entire system in the process but it was a learning experience :)
[09:57] <e_machinist> haha.
[09:57] <da_bon_bon> hey according to http://www.linuxbazar.com/catalog.php ubuntu hoary is released --- is it ?
[09:57] <holycow> i'm happy redhat is making money, their sponsoring of some of the xorg eye candy thats comming down the line has me totally excited
[09:57] <e_machinist> Lucidity?
[09:57] <holycow> i can't wait to dist-upgrade and sit my coworkers down, and have them shake the jiggly windows :)
[09:57] <Misogynist> I'm more excited about Cairo/Glitz hopefully not making GTK+ stupidly slow
[09:57] <holycow> on a shitty laptop no less
[09:57] <holycow> *nod* yeah
[09:58] <e_machinist> Yah, lucidity will be a whole new world to mess around with.
[09:58] <holycow> Misogynist, i'm excited about the whole stack
[09:58] <Misogynist> I cannot get GTK2 to run well on any system less than ~2 GHz
[09:58] <e_machinist> See how apples likes them.... apples.... haha.
[09:58] <holycow> it seems like its done 'right' to my non techie eyes
[09:58] <Misogynist> I'm completely indecisive about Linux
[09:58] <Misogynist> I'm not even sure if I even like it or if I'm just an addicted technology whore
[09:58] <holycow> Misogynist, gtk2? you mean gnome?
[09:58] <Misogynist> I can't stay with a desktop environment more than a few weeks
[09:59] <holycow> i ran gnome on a 64 meg ram p300 laptop not too badly (g 2.8)
[09:59] <Misogynist> No, any application usiing GTK2. It just seems sluggish.
[09:59] <holycow> ohhh, not sure
[09:59] <Misogynist> It's not unresponsive, just very slow relative to Qt.
[09:59] <e_machinist> After the huge bloat and clutter of KDE my coming back to Gnome was blissful.
[09:59] <Misogynist> I'm using xfce4 right now, I'm very happy with how Ubuntu packaged it
[09:59] <Misogynist> With rox using the Rodent theme and everything
[09:59] <holycow> i'd love to see e17
[10:00] <e_machinist> Hoary or warty Misogynist?
[10:00] <revelater> hey
[10:00] <Misogynist> Hoary
[10:00] <Misogynist> But my gripe with GTK+ on slow machines is mostly the menu and scroll lag
[10:00] <revelater> could someone tell me how to programm in c++?
[10:00] <Misogynist> The border of the menu draws, and then you can see the contents render as the paint on the wall dries
[10:00] <da_bon_bon> hey according to http://www.linuxbazar.com/catalog.php ubuntu hoary is released --- is it ?
[10:00] <ells> tritium: Mike you still up
[10:00] <zendog> hey revelater, wazzup?
[10:00] <dfnt`snybole> My ubuntu iso image is 597 mb large, that's not right is it? It's supposed to be 611 or?
[10:00] <tritium> ells, I'm here
[10:00] <ells> tritium: I think I figured something out
[10:00] <Misogynist> That sounds like a megabyte/mebibyte issue ;)
[10:01] <revelater> zendog, do you know what i need to do in order to compile a file in c++?
[10:01] <e_machinist> I was thinking of trying Xfce... didn't know if it was any good though.
[10:01] <tritium> ells, nice!
[10:01] <ells> tritium: i made an iso using k3b
[10:01] <Misogynist> It's much snappier than GNOME for certain.
[10:01] <zendog> dfnt`snybole, check da md5sums
[10:01] <holycow> e_machinist, i thought you switched to tinker ... no?
[10:01] <holycow> -_-
[10:01] <dfnt`snybole> How? I'm in windows atm
[10:01] <ells> tritium: then i opened dvd shrink and the file
[10:01] <zendog> revelater, some source files and a compiler? what os you got?
[10:01] <Misogynist> I kind of miss some of the features like the GNOME volume manager but it's really not a big deal.
[10:01] <tritium> ells, I'm glad you found a solution
[10:01] <ells> tritium: just need to figure out how to shrink it down far enough
[10:01] <revelater> zendog, warty
[10:01] <ells> half way home I think
[10:02] <Misogynist> It would be fun to write something similar for Xfce in my spare time. As if I had any of that.
[10:02] <e_machinist> If it runs snappier than Gnome then it must fly... cause gnome is fast on my compy.
[10:02] <da_bon_bon> dfnt`snybole: md5sum it
[10:02] <revelater> zendog, i just need to know, 1: is syntax the same for basic console apps 2: are include files the same 3: how do i compile?, waht do i use
[10:02] <zendog> revelater, hmm, download the gcc bro, and read the docs :)
[10:02] <Misogynist> What are your specs? I'm trying to figure out what the hell the bottleneck is causing it to run like crap on all my systems except this one.
[10:02] <revelater> ohh...
[10:03] <dfnt`snybole> da_bon_bon: How? I'm in windows, is there any possible way to do this in windows? :)
[10:03] <jagera27> thanks, i got thru to the isp. haven't managed to upload yet. i'll try later, gotta eat first
[10:03] <revelater> zendog, isn't gcc alsready downloaded though
[10:03] <revelater> ?
[10:03] <e_machinist> Athlon XP 1800+, 512mb DDR, ATI Radeon 9200 AGP 4x 128mb (full acceleration 2d/3d).
[10:03] <da_bon_bon> dfnt`snybole: install md5sum for windows
[10:03] <ruffian> tritium and bob2: Thanks for the help. My modem is a hacked home to pro version one. So if i wanted to forwarded, run it in bridge mode, i would have to turn NAT off. So i decided not to do it.
[10:03] <Misogynist> Hm
[10:03] <da_bon_bon> dfnt`snybole: google it
[10:03] <dfnt`snybole> thanks
[10:03] <e_machinist> 80 GB 7200 rpm Hitachi 7k250.
[10:03] <ruffian> It's not that important anyway
[10:03] <Misogynist> All my systems are nVidia because of ATI's crap multimonitor support
[10:03] <zendog> dfnt`snybole, download the md5checksum binary, its in various places... :)
[10:03] <Misogynist> That may be a factor
[10:03] <e_machinist> It sure could be.
[10:03] <tritium> ruffian, no problem.  Sounds like you found the info you needed.
[10:04] <zendog> revelater, yep, very probably...
[10:04] <e_machinist> I get very good 3D Performance using the 9200 and it is just a budget card.
[10:04] <ruffian> tritium: Yes i did :)
[10:04] <ruffian> bye
[10:04] <Misogynist> Come to think of it, the other system I set up with Ubuntu where GNOME flew was using fglrx as well, but it was an Athlon 64 3000+ Winchester so I can't really expect anything to run badly on it
[10:04] <e_machinist> heh.
[10:04] <Misogynist> Yeah, the 9200 is fine if you're not a gamer
[10:05] <holycow> Misogynist, lol
[10:05] <thoreauputic> revelater: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[10:05] <tritium> ells, I'm off to bed.
[10:05] <holycow> game player are you?
[10:05] <holycow> all my systems here are 1ghz
[10:05] <holycow> plenty fast for everything, but i don't play games
[10:05] <e_machinist> Yah, if you just do desktop crap and light game stuff/graphics... then the 9200 is a great card.
[10:05] <revelater> thoreauputic, i am pretty sure i have what i need, i just need to know how to use it?
[10:05] <Misogynist> 2.6 GHz Athlon XP, I basically just use it to compile things and make me feel like my heatsink/fan was worth the money ;)
[10:05] <olaf_> have problem with nvidia, framebuffer and gdm. can someone help?
[10:06] <holycow> hey speaking of graphics ...
[10:06] <thoreauputic> revelater: if you ahven't installed build-essential, do so first
[10:06] <holycow> whats a good onboard video chipset with decent 3d acceleration?
[10:06] <e_machinist> I'll upgrade my CPU to a Sempron 2600+ in a couple weeks just for fun.
[10:06] <olaf_> my nvidia driver crashes when fbcon or vesafb is loaded
[10:06] <Misogynist> Any reason you need an integrated chipset?
[10:06] <Jimbob> olaf_: What version of ubuntu?
[10:06] <holycow> not game level, would just love to be able to play something like neverball with an onboard vid chipset
[10:06] <Misogynist> There really aren't very many good boards with an IGP, which is why I ask
[10:06] <olaf_> hoary
[10:06] <Jimbob> olaf_: Hrm...
[10:07] <thoreauputic> revelater: for c++ you also need g++ for instance, which build-essential will pull in for you
[10:07] <Jimbob> olaf_: What chipset?
[10:07] <olaf_> nvidia geforce 4 mx
[10:07] <Jimbob> olaf_: Mmm.
[10:07] <Misogynist> Then again I'm kind of anal and wouldn't recommend anything but nForce2/nForce3 250/nForce4 on an AMD system
[10:07] <Misogynist> After all these years I still can't trust VIA
[10:07] <revelater> already got everything
[10:07] <olaf_> the doc says: when fb is runnig, nvidia crashes...
[10:07] <x_or> I just installed ubuntu, but it never asked for me to enter a root password.  Is this normal?
[10:07] <Misogynist> x_or, yes, Ubuntu uses sudo
[10:07] <Burgundavia> x_or: yes
[10:07] <Misogynist> You shouldn't need root access
[10:07] <e_machinist> I find that Via based mobos run very well for AMD solutions.
[10:07] <olaf_> how can i stop loading the framebuffer modules?
[10:08] <x_or> I'll never need to use root?
[10:08] <revelater> thoreauputic, i already have everything that i need, i just need to know if the includes and such work the same
[10:08] <e_machinist> I don't prefer one over the other though.
[10:08] <Burgundavia> x_or: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[10:08] <Misogynist> If you do need it, you can run passwd root through sudo
[10:08] <capi> sudo and whatever password you entered fro the config
[10:08] <x_or> OK.
[10:08] <zendog> x_or, yep, no problem...
[10:08] <holycow> speaking of security ....
[10:08] <Misogynist> Generally not recommended, though, since you can just start root shells through sudo as needed
[10:08] <revelater> thoreauputic, and... how to compile
[10:08] <Misogynist> (sudo su -)
[10:08] <holycow> isn't the sudo EVERYTHING in ubuntu dangerous?
[10:08] <revelater> thoreauputic, do i just put in gcc filename?
[10:08] <dfnt`snybole> Weird, there is no md5sum.md5 in my ubuntu cat. only a .txt
[10:08] <e_machinist> Misogynist, how do I go about installing Xfce instead of GNOME?
[10:08] <thoreauputic> revelater: Ah, OK - sorry - I'm not a coder, sorry - my knowledge stops at bash
[10:08] <Misogynist> apt-get install xfce4
[10:08] <Burgundavia> holycow: not more than a root account is
[10:08] <Jimbob> holycow: Less so than an enabled root.
[10:09] <revelater> thoreauputic, ... know anyone who is?
[10:09] <e_machinist> I know that part.
[10:09] <Misogynist> It'll install the session
[10:09] <holycow> i can imagine someone sending a shell script virus to a user, that prompts them to type in their pass, and bang, instant rooted machine
[10:09] <Misogynist> Just pick it in GDM
[10:09] <Jimbob> (since you don't have to guess "root")
[10:09] <e_machinist> Do I need to remove any GNOME compontents?
[10:09] <e_machinist> GDM?
[10:09] <zendog> x_or, you can change the pw if you want to
[10:09] <Misogynist> Login screen
[10:09] <e_machinist> GNOME DEsketop manager.
[10:09] <thoreauputic> revelater: sure to be someone in the channel who knows
[10:09] <holycow> yeah but isnt sudo rm -rf *.* just as dangerous, yet as simple?
[10:09] <e_machinist> Ok, thanks miso... easy enough.
[10:09] <revelater> anyone here program in c++ on warty???????
[10:09] <Misogynist> You don't need to remove anything, they're designed to coexist nicely. Xfce4 is also based on GTK+, like GNOME, as well as several of the other components and libraries it uses.
[10:09] <Jimbob> holycow: Well, yeah, sudo doesn't protect you from yourself.
[10:10] <IRCMonkey> anyone knows how to setup skystar2.6c under mandrake
[10:10] <IRCMonkey> sorry
[10:10] <IRCMonkey> ubuntu
[10:10] <Jimbob> revelater: WHAT? (;-))
[10:10] <holycow> or rather, it doesn't protect the USER from them selves
[10:10] <olaf_> anyone ideas how to suppress framebuffer loading? don't need fb
[10:10] <holycow> which exactly what is enabled on ubuntu
[10:10] <e_machinist> WOW... all that Xfce stuff for a normal install of it is only 12.2mb? That is amazing.
[10:10] <holycow> its basically slightly restricted root
[10:10] <revelater> Jimbob: I SAID DOES ANYBO... ohh screw it....
[10:10] <thoreauputic> revelater: maybe try a c++ channel?
[10:11] <Misogynist> It's a desktop machine, so it's not an issue unless you're completely anal. You're free to run visudo and lock down the sudo group to a certain subset of root functionality, like apt-get/dpkg, of course.
[10:11] <holycow> i would say we need some kind of policy dealy that helps set that up maybe?
[10:11] <Jimbob> revelater: g++-c filename.cpp output.exe
[10:11] <zendog> revelater, hehe, remember the COC :)
[10:11] <capi> has anyone messed with grub and vga, I'm trying to change my CLI resolution.?! Can't find vga= anywhere in the menu.lst?
[10:11] <thoreauputic> revelater: /join #c++   - 288 people in there
[10:11] <olaf_> lol Jimbob
[10:11] <revelater> Jimbob, what is the -c for?
[10:11] <e_machinist> Misogynist, Xfce doesn't have a Mac OS X wannabe thing going on does it?
[10:11] <Jimbob> revelater: "this is the input file"
[10:12] <Jimbob> revelater: "info g++" should give you the g++ manual
[10:12] <Misogynist> No, why?
[10:12] <olaf_> capi, say vga=791 or vga=ask in the kernel line in menu.lst
[10:12] <e_machinist> Just making sure...
[10:12] <Jimbob> revelater: or "man g++"
[10:12] <revelater> Jimbob, k... now what about basic libraries, do i #include <iostream.h> or what?
[10:12] <Misogynist> iostream.h is deprecated
[10:12] <Jimbob> revelater: #include <iostream>
[10:13] <Misogynist> #include <iostream> and use the std namespace where appropriate
[10:13] <thoreauputic> Jimbob: he's joined #c++ :)
[10:13] <Jimbob> revelater: C++ headers do not have ".h" suffixes
[10:13] <capi> olaf, what do you mean by kernal line? The line with...
[10:13] <Jimbob> thoreauputic: :-)
[10:13] <capi> title         Ubuntu, kernal 2.6.10-5-386
[10:13] <capi> ?
[10:13] <revelater> Jimbob, ok so i omit the .h suffixs, is that all? are they the same anyways?
[10:13] <Misogynist> What development environment are you used to, revelater?
[10:14] <olaf_> capi, the line starting with "kernel"
[10:14] <revelater> Misogynist: Microsoft visual c++
[10:14] <Misogynist> Anyway, <iostream.h> is a compatibility library. You can, but shouldn't, use it.
[10:15] <Misogynist> Read up on the STL.
[10:15] <revelater> what do you mean?
[10:15] <olaf_> maybe there is an entry in this line like "root=/dev/hda..." insert vga=ask after this
[10:15] <olaf_> @capi
[10:15] <Misogynist> It doesn't use namespaces properly. <iostream> does.
[10:15] <revelater> i just need it for school, and it has to have iostream and string and such....
[10:15] <e_machinist> Oh yah, Misogynist, forgot to ask... To start up in Xfce... how do I select it and where?
[10:16] <selinium_> HEELLLLLPPPPP! Just tried to log on and got a message saying my login lasted less than 10 seconds. Unable to read ICE authority file...
[10:16] <Misogynist> At the login screen, click "Session"
[10:16] <olaf_> how can i supress loading of framebuffer devices? can somebody help?
[10:16] <Misogynist> Pick "Xfce Session"
[10:16] <capi> rebooting
[10:16] <Misogynist> Login
[10:16] <e_machinist> At the ubuntu login screen?
[10:16] <revelater> sooo, wait iostream.h is different than iostream?
[10:16] <Misogynist> They're functionally very similar but not identical.
[10:16] <x_or> Where do I read up on which package manager to use in ubuntu.  Is this apt-get, or is it like gentoo with a newer package manager?  I cannot find anything at first glance in the FAQ or docs...
[10:16] <revelater> why cann't it all be the same????
[10:16] <e_machinist> ok... will do my best haha.
[10:17] <capi> x_or ubuntu uses apt-get
[10:17] <Misogynist> x_or: Ubuntu is Debian-based, so it uses apt-get/Synaptic just like Debian.
[10:17] <revelater> Misogynist: what program should i use to make the cpp files?
[10:17] <capi> gcc
[10:17] <x_or> synaptic, that is what I needed.  Thanks!
[10:17] <capi> sorry g++
[10:17] <Misogynist> To write them? Whatever editor you like, I use gvim or kate. g++ to compile them.
[10:17] <e_machinist> And just for your reference... apt-get /synaptic is one of the best tools ever made.
[10:17] <e_machinist> heh.
[10:18] <olaf_> rebooting
[10:18] <revelater> Misogynist: does it have to have .cpp or just anything
[10:18] <Misogynist> .cpp and .cc are the standard extensions for C++ source files
[10:19] <capi> @revelator it will most likely need them to compile in any average compiler
[10:19] <x_or> e_machinist:  Yeah, looks sweet already.  I like emerge, but damn, this is pretty slick.
[10:19] <revelater> Misogynist: will the compiler error if it is just a basic text file?
[10:19] <Burgundavia> to be brutally honest, from a usablity perspective, synaptic needs work
[10:19] <Burgundavia> a lot of work
[10:19] <Misogynist> That's all C/C++ source is. Text.
[10:19] <revelater> right, but some compilers are finnicky about the suffix
[10:19] <capi> @revelater, most likely it won't recognize the file format.
[10:20] <GoneBoB> revelater: the suffix is irrelevant to the contents
[10:20] <Misogynist> Yeah, I'm not fond of a lot of applications in that regard. I'd really like to contribute to fixing them up, but I'm completely lacking time this semester.
[10:20] <selinium_> Burgundavia: it is still much better than Add/Remove programs on Windows!
[10:20] <GoneBoB> and most programs that don't suck aren't fussy
[10:20] <Misogynist> Synaptic is still a lot better than it could be.
[10:20] <ekwinix> is it possible to have a program as a .tar.gz file, and somehow pointing the synaptic installer to it and installing it that way, instead of the ./configure, and make/install process?
[10:20] <revelater> well thanks for the time and help guys, i am off to program (or try)
[10:21] <e_machinist> ekwinix, the synaptic / apt-get packages are preconfigured .deb packages.
[10:21] <selinium_> is there anyone who can help with my boot problem. Unable to read ICE authority file
[10:21] <zendog> ekwinix, for purposes like that, check the alien package :)
[10:22] <Misogynist> If you try to arbitrarily dump files all over a system that wasn't meant for it you're going to run into trouble. Debian is ubiquitous enough where you should be able to find pre-built packages for pretty much whatever you need.
[10:22] <Misogynist> If universe and multiverse don't have something, marillat probably does.
[10:22] <e_machinist> "should".... but building your own and installing your own apps is still alot of fun.
[10:22] <e_machinist> IMHO.
[10:23] <Misogynist> It's just a lot of waiting.
[10:23] <e_machinist> meh...
[10:23] <e_machinist> heh.
[10:23] <Misogynist> I don't see a real functional difference between sudo apt-get install packagename and ./configure && make && sudo make install
[10:23] <Misogynist> If you wrote your own compiler it's one thing :)
[10:23] <e_machinist> Us dialup users are used to waiting for things.
[10:23] <Misogynist> Well, there is a rather apparent functional difference
[10:24] <Misogynist> The second one is a nightmare to update and maintain
[10:24] <e_machinist> Yah, updating and maintaining is a different beast.
[10:24] <Misogynist> But in terms of satisfaction most people install a program so they can run it
[10:24] <Misogynist> Not to see gcc output scroll by for 4000 lines
[10:24] <ekwinix> i assume RPM's are not compatabile?
[10:24] <pepsi> hrm.. any ideas on why i do nt get any sound from a dvd?
[10:24] <selinium_> Misogynist: the first is also newbie friendly
[10:24] <Misogynist> And somewhat supported ;)
[10:25] <teleyinex> hi
[10:26] <revelater> argh, having some problems compiling...
[10:26] <Misogynist> SMTP HELO
[10:26] <teleyinex> im in hoary with the repositories from marillat
[10:26] <pabs3> anyone know which sources universe/multiverse have (apart from sid)?
[10:26] <ells> tritium: I think I got it, will see really quick
[10:26] <teleyinex> and i cant install mplayer via apt-get
[10:26] <teleyinex> im trying to install mplayer-k7
[10:26] <Misogynist> Did you update after changing your repositories?
[10:26] <teleyinex> yes
[10:26] <ekwinix> so can i use an RPM install file to install a program under ubuntu?
[10:26] <teleyinex> the error is the next one:
[10:27] <teleyinex>  mplayer-k6: Depende: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) pero 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 va a ser instalado
[10:27] <teleyinex>               Depende: libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0) pero 1.0.1-1 va a ser instalado
[10:27] <teleyinex> E: Paquetes rotos
[10:27] <snowblink> Has anyone run Lotus Notes successfully with Ubuntu?
[10:27] <e_machinist> pepsi, you are having sound problems with your DVDrom?
[10:27] <teleyinex> i dont understand why i get that error?
[10:27] <pepsi> e_machinist, yeah
[10:27] <Burgundavia> ekwinix: yes, but I would search for a deb first. Use the packaged called 'alien'
[10:27] <x_or> Is there a configuration utility for postfix with ubuntu?
[10:28] <teleyinex> another thing
[10:28] <e_machinist> I assume you have installed it properly, installed your sound card properly and get sound from other apps?
[10:28] <pepsi> yeah i get sound from other apps
[10:28] <Misogynist> What are you using to play the DVD? Totem?
[10:28] <teleyinex> someone have had problems, since yesterday, with gnome-volumen-manager?
[10:28] <pepsi> i tried totem and gxine
[10:29] <teleyinex> cause when i upgrade, i get a crash with this app
[10:29] <x_or> Whoa, no mplayer in ubuntu?
[10:29] <e_machinist> Does it play the video just no audio? Perhaps your dvd rom needs to have the RGGL audio plugged into the sound card?
[10:29] <Misogynist> x_or: Install it from the marillat repository
[10:29] <Misogynist> mplayer is a patent nightmare so a lot of distributions have nothing to do with it in their default installs/repositories
[10:29] <pepsi> blah.. it shouldnt need that cable should it?
[10:29] <zendog> teleyinex, it looks like you got some broken packages... try fixing them... :)
[10:30] <e_machinist> Do you get video without any audio? Some drives need it.
[10:30] <teleyinex> how?
[10:30] <x_or> Ah, right.
[10:30] <e_machinist> Just depends.
[10:30] <pepsi> yeah i get video
[10:30] <x_or> Misogynist:  can you tell me where I find information on marillat?  I am in synaptic, so I assume I need a URI, distribution and sections.
[10:30] <Misogynist> The source for marillat is:
[10:30] <e_machinist> Well... I'm no expert in getting the audio to work... never had a DVDrom that the audio didn't just work in.
[10:30] <Misogynist> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat stable main
[10:30] <Burgundavia> hmm
[10:31] <e_machinist> The RGGL audio is a good try though if you are getting no sound.
[10:31] <pepsi> id try an audio cd, but i dont have one :D
[10:31] <Burgundavia> I would use:
[10:31] <Burgundavia> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main
[10:32] <zendog> teleyinex, check your apt-get manpage, or the docs from synaptic, you can fix the prob with both :)
[10:32] <teleyinex> ok
[10:32] <teleyinex> cause if i do apt-get dist-upgrade i dont see any broken packets
[10:33] <zendog> teleyinex, hehe, thats the reason why i dont apt-get dist-upgrade a lot...
[10:33] <zendog> teleyinex, update your repository list too
[10:34] <teleyinex> i dont understand
[10:34] <teleyinex> why i have to update the repository list?
[10:35] <teleyinex> i have universe, multiverse and normal one
[10:35] <joshua> I read the man page for mount.  It said that umask=value sets the file permission for an ntfs filesystem.  What value makes it readable by everyone?
[10:36] <Misogynist> joshua: 022
[10:36] <joshua> Thank you, Misogynist
[10:36] <Misogynist> Everyone has the same problem :)
[10:36] <joshua> Do I put the umask=022 at the very end of the mount command?
[10:37] <zendog> teleyinex, just a health habit, u dont' want a updated list? sometimes packages get broken because of that...
[10:37] <Misogynist> -o umask=222
[10:37] <Misogynist> err
[10:37] <Misogynist> well
[10:37] <Misogynist> 222 works fine too
[10:37] <Misogynist> Seeing as how you can't write it :)
[10:38] <marcel__> is the ubuntu shipit limited to certain countries only?
[10:38] <thoreauputic> marcel__: no
[10:38] <marcel__> So.. they will send the CDs to me at no charge??
[10:38] <thoreauputic> marcel__: yes :)
[10:38] <e_machinist> Yes, completely free.
[10:38] <marcel__> :O
[10:39] <e_machinist> Get a few extras so you can hand them out to your friends and family.
[10:39] <matlads> wo!
[10:39] <thoreauputic> marcel__: takes a few weeks
[10:39] <zendog> marcel__, check with your local aduanal services office, sometimes they tax the cd's...
[10:39] <Son_of_Light> hi, I'm new to Ubuntu Linux ... I tried to install it but I can't select what packages I want to install (custom install ?) ... is this possible ?
[10:39] <pepsi> hrm... i got gxine to play sound by setting the audio device to 'alsa' instead of 'auto' but gxine wont play the movie, just the menus
[10:39] <marcel__> Whats in it for them? More testers?
[10:39] <corza> did anyone notice that Ubuntu is now the MOST used linux distro?
[10:39] <matlads> does ubuntu release update CD's like debian does?
[10:39] <joshua> So will this work properly?  mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 ./windows -o umask=222 ?
[10:39] <Misogynist> corza: According to what?
[10:39] <Misogynist> joshua: Yep.
[10:39] <e_machinist> Ubuntu releases a new stable version every six months.
[10:39] <joshua> Woohoo! :)  Thanks again.
[10:39] <xukun_> thanks for pointing me that out, nvidia driver works now
[10:39] <thoreauputic> corza: most popular on distrowatch != most used
[10:40] <zendog> corza, yep, and the best, :)
[10:40] <corza> Distrowatch :)
[10:40] <selinium_> Ho thoreauputic!
[10:40] <corza> of course its the best lol
[10:40] <zendog> matlads, nop, ubuntu releases are every 6 months
[10:40] <gordonjcp> xukun_: pointing what out?
[10:40] <da_bon_bon> hey, how do i convert reiserfs to resiser4 without data loss ?
[10:41] <matlads> zendog:  is it possible then to build such a CD? I have some offline ubuntu boxes that need to update
[10:41] <selinium_> Can anyone help with an Unable to read ICE authority file error on boot?
[10:41] <joshua> Hrm.  I put that and it still tells me that I can't view the dir.
[10:41] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: why bother?
[10:41] <Misogynist> Now if there was something like Ubuntu that did a sensible default configuration of Postfix/Courier/Apache/SquirrelMail/LDAP/PureFTPd I'd be truly impressed
[10:41] <zendog> Son_of_Light, try "expert" install
[10:41] <thoreauputic> selinium_: sudo rm ~/.ICEauthority
[10:41] <Misogynist> For servers
[10:41] <thoreauputic> selinium_: it will regenerate
[10:42] <thoreauputic> selinium_: and I'm betting you ran an app as root, right?
[10:42] <zendog> matlads, you can burn your own isos, or wait for a free cd, :) if its that what you mean...
[10:42] <e_machinist> I think he means a distro-update?
[10:43] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: oh, well, lets just say i wanna try it out
[10:43] <joshua> I did the mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 ./windows -o umask=222   But I still can't access it.
[10:43] <selinium_> thoreauputic: I do it all the time.... I need bluefish to have access to my webroot. I take it this is bad... :( sorry
[10:43] <matlads> zendog: I just want the security updates
[10:43] <zendog> matlads, then, just apt-get for them :] 
[10:43] <thoreauputic> selinium_: use gksudo in the command section of your menu properties then
[10:44] <e_machinist> He can't apt-get them cause the computers are offline from what I gather.
[10:44] <matlads> zendog: the machines that need these security updates are offline
[10:44] <selinium_> thoreauputic: I do, is it ok to do it this way, Sorry, i always sudo not su
[10:44] <Misogynist> joshua: Use 022 instead
[10:44] <zendog> matlads, why you need security updates in offline machines? :)
[10:44] <joshua> misogynist:  O okay. :)
[10:45] <Misogynist> I can't imagine why 222 wouldn't work but it doesn't
[10:45] <pepsi> woop.. installed totem-xine and now totem works
[10:45] <e_machinist> You could download all the static debs and burn them.
[10:45] <e_machinist> Good question zendog.
[10:45] <e_machinist> heh.
[10:45] <pepsi> er nope.. now totem wont play the movie
[10:45] <thoreauputic> selinium_: I don't know exactly what is happening, but if you run an X app as root,, often .ICEauthority will change its permissions, with the result you saw
[10:45] <Xeon3D> does anyone know any apache2 configurator? (like a frontend or something)
[10:45] <Misogynist> Xeon3D: Webmin?
[10:46] <zendog> hehe, e_machinist.  matlads, yep, download the .debs, and make some script-thingie and update your machines with your cd :)
[10:46] <selinium_> thoreauputic: Do i need to run the command from anywhere in particular?
[10:46] <matlads> zendog: :) i want to be as uptodate as possible
[10:46] <joshua> misogynist:  Worked that time.  Thank you.  WOOHOO
[10:46] <e_machinist> Me and zendog will take good care of ya.
[10:46] <thoreauputic> Misogynist: you need full access to the dir - so 444 doesn't allow the dir to be accessible
[10:46] <e_machinist> heh.
[10:47] <zendog> hehe
[10:47] <alex> Is Realtek 8029 supported by ubuntu?
[10:47] <zendog> matlads, yep, download the most up-to-date .debs
[10:47] <GoneBoB> alex: yes
[10:47] <selinium_> thoreauputic: I am sure I owe you a beer by now!
[10:47] <e_machinist> static debs... watch out for some...
[10:47] <Misogynist> If Ubuntu doesn't support it then support doesn't exist
[10:47] <thoreauputic> selinium_: wouldn't it be safer/better to have a holding dir in $HOME and transfer files to webroot afterwards?
[10:48] <alex> GhostFreeman, can you tell me the kernel module?
[10:48] <Misogynist> You will find no better hardware support anywhere
[10:48] <alex> GoneBoB, , can you tell me the kernel module?
[10:48] <GoneBoB> er
[10:48] <matlads> zendog: ok. how do i determine which ones to get, or o i jus get all of them?
[10:48] <zendog> Misogynist, amen bro!
[10:48] <GoneBoB> it should load automatically
[10:49] <Nermal> right. n00bs out, I've arrived
[10:49] <Misogynist> The module should be rtl8139 anyway, I think
[10:49] <e_machinist> Yah, Ubuntu has awesome hardware support.
[10:49] <Nermal> it's called "building the kernel with all the drivers as modules"
[10:49] <Sav> can somone suggest a good cd-writer program that can handle iso/bin,cue etc
[10:49] <alex> GoneBoB, I found it, thanks
[10:49] <Nermal> Sav, k3b ?
[10:49] <Misogynist> Agreed, k3b. One of the few KDE applications I'll use in GNOME.
[10:50] <zendog> matlads, humm, a easy way is to downloading them with apt-get or synaptic, just checking that u are using the "up-to-date" repositories and packages in the list, and go to your /var/cache/apt/ and burn them from there...
[10:50] <Nermal> cdrecord? gcombust? xcdroast? gnomebaker?
[10:50] <selinium_> thoreauputic: I program in PHP so the files need access to the server to run. Unless i  am missing something somewhere?
[10:50] <zendog> Sav, cdrecord?
[10:50] <Sav> ill just try k3d, thnx for the tip.
[10:50] <thoreauputic> selinium_: I don't know - I'm not a coder
[10:50] <e_machinist> /var/cache/apt... very good suggestion.
[10:50] <Misogynist> I think you should just be able to right-click the ISO in Nautilus and it gives you an option
[10:51] <Misogynist> I should have mentioned that first I think :)
[10:51] <Sav> ohh
[10:51] <Artemis3> hey Shuttleworth said april 6 as the release, is that so?
[10:51] <e_machinist> heh.. slip of the mind.
[10:51] <selinium_> thoreauputic: LOL
[10:51] <Misogynist> I don't usually use Nautilus :/
[10:51] <Misogynist> Xfce/Rox
[10:51] <e_machinist> It must be.
[10:51] <thoreauputic> selinium_: is it amusing that I'm not a coder?
[10:52] <matlads> zendog: i have done that and I see only 32 debs. i seem to recall more updates than that?
[10:52] <thoreauputic> selinium_: I've written a pizza timer in bash, does that count ;-) ?
[10:52] <zendog> matlads, ad the multiverse and universe repositories bro, :)
[10:52] <eyequeue> Artemis3:  used to be, the replies were probably old.  it's now 8 april
[10:53] <Artemis3> ok thanks
[10:53] <matlads> zendog: ok, let me try these suggestions.
[10:53] <zendog> matlads, but just ad what you need, cuztomized, tailored, hehe
[10:53] <eyequeue> thoreauputic:  only counts if you share the pizza as well as the code :)
[10:53] <e_machinist> brb.
[10:53] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: heh - code link coming up :)
[10:53] <selinium_> thoreauputic: No, sorry. Just the way it came across, As far as I am concerned you are a deity in the realm of unbuntu, that keeps meer mortal like myself from throwing there PC's from windows!
[10:54] <eyequeue> a true open sourcer :)
[10:54] <Xeon3D> what's the default username \ password for webmin?
[10:54] <Misogynist> open sores
[10:54] <marcel__> is it possible to install debian packages on ubuntu?
[10:54] <zendog> LOL
[10:54] <marcel__> like, from  sid
[10:54] <selinium_> thoreauputic: Back in a mo. Hopefully not through irssi!
[10:54] <marcel__> or sarge
[10:54] <Nermal> marcel__, sure
[10:55] <marcel__> ok
[10:55] <zendog> marcel__, as true as im in this chanel..
[10:55] <eyequeue> marccd:  possible yes, advisible, no
[10:55] <Nermal> ubuntu was based on a snapshot of sid iirc
[10:55] <Misogynist> Obviously it's a good idea to not install them if Ubuntu has a package
[10:55] <marcel__> well yes
[10:55] <Misogynist> But it generally won't hurt anything
[10:55] <zendog> yep
[10:55] <marccd> eyequeue: ?
[10:55] <marcel__> How stable is hoary?
[10:55] <eyequeue> marccd:  better to enable the universe and multiverse repos in case there are specific ubuntu-tweaks
[10:56] <thoreauputic> eyequeue, selinium: http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/Timer_Script.html
[10:56] <Nermal> marcel__, pretty stable now
[10:56] <Nermal> in release candidate stages
[10:56] <zendog> marcel__, the answer will be very subjective... :)
[10:56] <pirx> does anyone know how to connect to a wireless network in ubuntu? the card works, and kwifimanager finds the network (i use gnome tho)
[10:56] <Nermal> but still quite a lot of updates per day
[10:56] <Nermal> pirx, just use the gnome network config
[10:56] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: links at the bottom of page
[10:56] <eyequeue> marcel__:  hoary releases 8 april, so there are many last-minute changes happeneing, i think i just got around 70mb of changes a few monutes ago (daily run)
[10:56] <marccd> when I start my computer I am getting a bunch of permission denieds, in the init, i am getting stuff like init: cannote execute /sbin/getty, and as Ive seen everything is chowned to root, any ideas? I have access to the hd
[10:56] <marcel__> ok.
[10:57] <marcel__> I understand KDE is a challenge to install on ubuntu?
[10:57] <Misogynist> Not at all
[10:57] <Misogynist> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:57] <eyequeue> marcel__:  if looking for stable, i'd say to wait a few days :)  but you do note i run it, i consider it safe enojugh
[10:57] <Misogynist> On Hoary, anyway
[10:57] <pirx> Nermal: does that also scan for networks, and lets me choose and so on?
[10:57] <marcel__> ok
[10:57] <marccd> anybody?
[10:57] <marcel__> nice
[10:57] <marcel__> :)
[10:58] <nexus-> is kubuntu any different from ubuntu other than kde as opposed to gnome?
[10:58] <Jon^D> hoary due mid this month, isn't it?
[10:58] <Misogynist> It's nowhere near as polished yet
[10:58] <zendog> marccd, what u done?
[10:58] <nexus-> hoary is due in a few days isn't it
[10:58] <holycow> Jon^D, tommorrow i think
[10:58] <nexus-> april 6?
[10:58] <Xeon3D> Jon^D: 8th of april it all goes well
[10:58] <m-onkey> nexus-, April 8
[10:58] <Jon^D> ok interesting that's sooner than Ithought
[10:58] <marccd> zendog: not sure, I might have messed with update rc, but that was long ago, I remember modprobing a module, and then everything crashed, is there a way to fix this?
[10:58] <Tomcat_> Ubuntu Website says April 8, Mark Shuttleworth said 6th :o
[10:58] <eyequeue> marcel__:  not telling you to go away, but /join #kubuntu for those truely fluent with kde/ubuntu
[10:58] <Jon^D> just boot with the powerpc livecd hoary from yesterday
[10:59] <Artemis3> "masters of the universe", seems to have a familiar ring to it :)
[10:59] <marcel__> one of my questions, does it look pretty? :) I havent seen it working, and was wondering if it used a shared menu for kde and gnome (not debian menu)
[10:59] <pdoms> Yo the guys, any1 know how i can disable esd starting with boot?
[10:59] <Nermal> it does look pretty yes
[10:59] <eyequeue> Tomcat_:  he said that in reply to ancient questions.  it was the 6th a while back, so the answer may have been written then
[10:59] <zendog> marccd, hmm, do you think is a permissions problem? if it is, just chown and chmod everything to suit your specs...
[10:59] <Nermal> pirx, erm... not sure
[10:59] <no0tic> pdoms: System-->preferences--> audio
[11:00] <no0tic> pdoms: or sound, I don't know how the english translation is
[11:00] <zendog> marcel__, the prettiest ever, word!
[11:00] <marcel__> :)
[11:00] <Nermal> sodding blanket statements
[11:00] <marccd> zendog: I did 777 and +x, but nothing
[11:00] <Nermal> they'll bite you on the ass! :P
[11:01] <zendog> marccd, 777? man, thats to unsecure if you r a little paranoid...
[11:01] <pdoms> no0tic, thanks will any sound be playin' still?
[11:01] <teleyinex> hi
[11:01] <no0tic> pdoms: yes
[11:02] <teleyinex> i have found why i cant install mplayer-k6
[11:02] <marccd> zendog: I just need to get it working
[11:02] <pdoms> thanks ciao
[11:03] <zendog> marccd, hmm, strange problem, never got it before, what the errors says?
[11:03] <Tomcat_> [10:58:15]  [Misogynist]  It's nowhere near as polished yet <--- Any details?
[11:03] <teleyinex> the problem is that ubuntu hoary have installed libfontconfig1 with version 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 instead of 2.3.0
[11:03] <teleyinex> which version of libfontconfig1 do you have?
[11:03] <teleyinex> with apt-cache policy libfontconfig1 you will see
[11:03] <Misogynist> At this point it's basically a fairly regular KDE install, but with the Lipstik theme, a wallpaper and a trash applet
[11:04] <Misogynist> It's a fair bit more intimidating for the novice user
[11:04] <Misogynist> Especially dealing with the duplicate functionality since KDE also lists GNOME's menu items
[11:04] <zendog> teleyinex, 2.2.2-2ubuntu3, buts thats because im happy with warty, hehe
[11:04] <teleyinex> wel, but im in hoary
[11:05] <Jon^D> can anyone recommend a way of simulating second and third mouse button events with a mac one-button thing? :)
[11:05] <Tomcat_> I'm still not sure if I want ubuntu or kubuntu... :)
[11:05] <teleyinex> someone with hoary?
[11:05] <eyequeue> thoreauputic:  what desktop were you running for that screenshot, nice
[11:05] <thoreauputic> Jon^D: try using F11 / F12
[11:06] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: fluxbox
[11:06] <marccd> zendog: permission denieds, cannot execute
[11:07] <e_machinist> Misogynist, using Xfce now... kinda reminds me of OS X.
[11:07] <e_machinist> haha.
[11:07] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: my own theme, dubbed "experimental" ;-)
[11:07] <eyequeue> :-)
[11:07] <eyequeue> i like it
[11:07] <eyequeue> nice and clean
[11:08] <Jon^D> thoreauputic, that does it. cheers
[11:08] <zendog> marccd, so root and user cant execute, hmm, check your /etc/group if its not messed up, but, im a little lost with this, sorry.
[11:08] <thoreauputic> so I guess I'm a kind-of coder ;-)
[11:08] <thoreauputic> or hacker...
[11:08] <snaggen> I'm wondering if someone else is having random system hangs since the latest two nvidia upgrades?
[11:08] <Misogynist> FX5900 here, no issues
[11:09] <snaggen> After like 10-60 minutes the system just hangs, and I have to reboot. I'm not using the nv driver to see if the problem goes away.
[11:11] <zendog> cabalistic number in the chan, 444
[11:11] <zendog> o geez, impermanence, impermanence, hehe
[11:12] <zendog> ok, bye...
[11:12] <Xeon3D> can anyone please check if http://xeon3d.is-a-geek.org works?
[11:13] <Misogynist> snaggen, anything in /var/log/messages or dmesg indicating a problem?
[11:13] <skraaningsulv> hi all, i just installed "kde" and restarted. but what should i do do get the choice between gnome and kde? i got right into gnome as usual
[11:13] <Misogynist> Click "Sessions" at the login screen and pick KDE.
[11:14] <skraaningsulv> thanks!
[11:14] <Misogynist> You can also sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm to set kdm as the default display manager instead of gdm if you prefer
[11:14] <thoreauputic> Xeon3D: it just hangs here
[11:14] <Misogynist> That'll give you "Switch User" functionality in KDE among other things
[11:14] <no0tic> gdesklets update isn't that good, it creates few problems
[11:14] <Xeon3D> :(
[11:15] <Xeon3D> thoreauputic: sorry that maybe because all my bandwidth is used right now
[11:15] <skraaningsulv> ok ill try that. by the way if kde becomes my favourite, can i just uninstall gnome if i want or is that stupid?
[11:15] <Xeon3D> could you please test again...
[11:15] <thoreauputic> Xeon3D: telnet: could not resolve http://xeon3d.is-a-geek.org/telnet: Name or service not known << when I try to telnet to it
[11:16] <thoreauputic> also no go in firefox
[11:16] <Kahawai> Hi, when i first installed ubuntu my camera worked fine (an icon appeared on the desktop when i plugged it in) but now it does not.
[11:16] <Xeon3D> there is no telnet daemon in that machine
[11:16] <Xeon3D> try ssh-ing
[11:16] <thoreauputic> probably dns doesn't know about it yet
[11:16] <Xeon3D> or ping it..
[11:16] <Misogynist> What's a good GTK+ RSS reader? I've used liferea and Blam!. Are there any better ones?
[11:16] <thoreauputic> OK
[11:17] <thoreauputic> Xeon3D: ping: unknown host http://xeon3d.is-a-geek.org
[11:17] <Xeon3D> damn.
[11:17] <thoreauputic> Xeon3D: dns problems?
[11:17] <Xeon3D> here it pings
[11:17] <Xeon3D> --- xeon3d.is-a-geek.org ping statistics ---
[11:17] <Xeon3D> 20 packets transmitted, 20 received, 0% packet loss, time 19024ms
[11:18] <ICU> thoreauputic, hmm you should drop the http:// at the beginning when you ping it :P
[11:18] <Misogynist> Also, is anyone familiar with the Rhythmbox/iPod integration?
[11:18] <no0tic> Xeon3D: here it resolves hostname
[11:18] <thoreauputic> ICU: yeah I just realised that -  it still doesn't ping though
[11:19] <thoreauputic>  xeon3d.is-a-geek.org ping statistics ---
[11:19] <thoreauputic> 9 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 7998ms
[11:19] <snaggen> Misogynist, Nothing in the messages log. But it is probably just X hanging, since I find log output from the kernel after the hang (like my attempts to use some unknow keycodes to get any responce)
[11:19] <no0tic> --- xeon3d.is-a-geek.org ping statistics ---
[11:19] <no0tic> 87 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 86114ms
[11:20] <thoreauputic> Xeon3D: it does resolve to 82.154.192.51 however, so dns is OK
[11:21] <snaggen> Semms like others are having problems too: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=48545
[11:22] <teleyinex> now its impossible to install mplayer via apt-get with marillat repositories
[11:22] <spacecat> g'day ubuntu folks
[11:23] <teleyinex> i have tried to install it it two different machines, both of them in hoary
[11:23] <teleyinex> I have to post it in?
[11:23] <Mw> http://www.whitehacker.com
[11:23] <no0tic> in gdesklets starterbar display if I create an empty launcher, it doesn't allow me to remove it or edit it
[11:23] <teleyinex> now i will open a thread at web forums
[11:23] <spacecat> I just tried to see what could be upgraded using synaptic 'smart upgrade' and I see it's slated kde and kdeaddons for removal
[11:23] <matlads> does anyone here know if the warty CD contain packages from restricted?
[11:24] <spacecat> Is this normal, is it likely to nuke KDE stuff (like Kate, which I use every day)?
[11:24] <prego> An easy one... What do I need to run Java applets within Firefox in Hoary?
[11:24] <prego> synaptic shows lots of entries for java, and none of JRE...
[11:25] <thoreauputic> prego: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:26] <prego> thoreauputic, OK, thank You very much
[11:26] <thoreauputic> prego: or read http://ubuntuguide.org
[11:26] <thoreauputic> or both... ;-)
[11:26] <prego> thoreauputic, but that works in hoary, doesn't it?
[11:26] <sinsun> anyone can input Chinese?
[11:27] <thoreauputic> prego: I assume so - I'm using warty here
[11:27] <spacecat> can anyone think of why synaptic would slate kde for removal?
[11:27] <thoreauputic> prego: the restricted formats page has warty and hoary entries
[11:29] <Misogynist> I'm liking how Ubuntu is faster than my arch-specific-compiled Gentoo for no particular reason
[11:30] <Kahawai> Hi, can anybody help me get my camera working
[11:30] <prego> thoreauputic, Oh, I see... thanks again ;-)
[11:30] <thoreauputic> spacecat:  dpkg -S kdeaddons | less to see what it installs
[11:30] <spacecat> thoreauputic: thx, will try
[11:30] <Touns_AW_> hi all
[11:31] <thoreauputic> spacecat: or apt-cache show kdeaddons
[11:32] <spacecat> vim was slated for upgrade, and kdeaddons installs vimpart, so maybe that's the conflict
[11:40] <Kahawai> Hi, I'm trying to see the pictures in my digital camera.  When I first installed ubuntu I could see the disc and use nautilus, now it doesn't show up.  Any suggestions.
[11:40] <Mila> Hi, is there someone who can help me with my usb driver???
[11:41] <thoreauputic> Mila: be a bit more specific with your question :)
[11:41] <GuNeY> hey there. i just install ubuntu 5.04 but the last step of installition failed , so cant install grub , i have 2 hdds my windows is on the hda and i install ubuntu on hdb4 any ideas? how can i boot ubuntu and how can i install grub correctly
[11:43] <spacecat> would there be any problem in running synaptic using a different window manager from gnome (like pekwm)?
[11:44] <Burgundavia> it will look different
[11:44] <Burgundavia> but beyond that no
[11:44] <spacecat> that's ok , thx Burgundavia
[11:44] <Burgundavia> the underlying hooks to apt still work
[11:45] <Mila> I can't write in it, I mount it in media, a read, but I can't write.
[11:47] <Mila> I must muont it every re-boot of the system and I'd like the system detach it when I connect it with my pc
[11:52] <phobosanger> how can i make my mount points to local folders?
[11:52] <phobosanger> i want to b able to link thingys from there ( e.g. icons, pictuer,... )
[11:53] <Byakhee> hi
[11:53] <thoreauputic> phobosanger: you question is unclear
[11:53] <Misogynist> You're going to have to phrase your question in a more lucid way than "i want to b able to link thingys"
[11:53] <thoreauputic> phobosanger: do you want launchers/ shortcuts?
[11:53] <phobosanger> hello Byakhee  :)
[11:53] <phobosanger> yeah thoreauputic
[11:54] <thoreauputic> phobosanger: right click on desktop or panel, choose to make a launcher
[11:54] <thoreauputic> put the command in etc... choose an icon
[11:54] <phobosanger> i m useing KDE (Kubuntu) and evry time i m trying to chouse PNG file as icons i get an error u must chouce a local folder....
[11:55] <thoreauputic> phobosanger: hmm - ask in #kubuntu
[11:55] <thoreauputic> phobosanger: most of us are running gnome
[11:55] <phobosanger> thsnk man thoreauputic  :))
[11:55] <thoreauputic> but the guys in #kubuntu can help
[11:59] <phobosanger> BTW thoreauputic  IF I REMMBER right i had the same problem in Gnome
[11:59] <thoreauputic> I was just looking in #kubuntu - I think you misunderstand how mounts work
[12:00] <thoreauputic> you probably need to copt the files over from your windows partition
[12:00] <phobosanger> thoreauputic,  i think so too =\
[12:00] <netgrabber> hi all
[12:00] <thoreauputic> as far as linux is concerned, that partition isn't local
[12:00] <thoreauputic> s/copt/copy
[12:01] <netgrabber> Why aren't there restricted modules for k8?
[12:02] <phobosanger> thoreauputic,  look this is how i mount my partion.... /dev/hdb5       /media/mp3      vfat    rw,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=0,iocharset=utf8
[12:02] <thoreauputic> phobosanger: that isn't the issue
[12:03] <phobosanger> then what do i looking for ... thoreauputic  =\
[12:03] <phobosanger> m i *
[12:03] <thoreauputic> phobosanger: the file system isn't local, so some files need to be copied over
[12:04] <thoreauputic> you are trying to link across file system boundaries
[12:04] <phobosanger> =\ can i fix this some how?
[12:04] <thoreauputic> phobosanger: just copy the files to your linux partition before linking them
[12:05] <phobosanger> i remmber that on other distro i had i didn't had this problem ....
[12:05] <thoreauputic> can you play your mp3s ?
[12:05] <phobosanger> thoreauputic,  to copy must of them would b a problem ... i have lots of data ...
[12:05] <phobosanger> yeah i can
[12:06] <thoreauputic> OK
[12:06] <thoreauputic> so which files are causing the error ?
[12:07] <phobosanger> for e.g. when i m trying to chouce a icon file for a folder ( trash ) i can't chouce a file from one of the FATs
[12:07] <thoreauputic> phobosanger: or to rephrase - what are you doing when that error appears?
[12:08] <thoreauputic> phobosanger: umm... are you trying to put stuff in the windows trash?
[12:08] <phobosanger> no =\
[12:08] <thoreauputic> well, I'm not understanding you at all... try again
[12:08] <phobosanger> i m just tring to change the KDE trash icon
[12:09] <thoreauputic> phobosanger: by using a windows one?? :/
[12:09] <phobosanger> no a PNG file which is on WINDOWS partion
[12:10] <thoreauputic> well just copy the png to your linux partition
[12:10] <thoreauputic> but changing the icon is a bit more involved than that
[12:11] <phobosanger> well i have lots of sach exaples ( wallpapers, wav sounds . mails and so ... ) i prefer just to link thsm
[12:12] <phobosanger> thoreauputic, http://img183.exs.cx/img183/1999/snapshot90qj.jpg
[12:13] <thoreauputic> phobosanger: I see - well since this is something I've never needed to do, I don't really have an answer for you
[12:13] <zerokarmaleft> is there something more to compiling third-party kernel modules against linux-headers to load into a (matching version) stock ubuntu kernel?
[12:13] <sayash> hi, is kubuntu downloadable from apt?
[12:13] <phobosanger> thoreauputic,  thank man for trying  :)
[12:13] <phobosanger> thoreauputic,  do u have any ideal what should i for?
[12:14] <thoreauputic> sayash: not exactly - but you can do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:15] <willem> with gconf-editor i changed apps > panel > global > panel_show_delay to 1, and panal_minimized_size to 1. This makesno difference at all, why?
[12:15] <apokryphos> sayash: yes
[12:16] <sayash> thx thoreauputic. ok, cool. And what happened to the belenet repositories. They stopped working sometime ago...
[12:16] <thoreauputic> sayash: I have no idea, sorry
[12:19] <sayash> hey, i've got an intellimouse (not optical), and earlier the mousewheel used to work. after reinstalling once, it stopped working. i tried all sorts of stuff with X config.. can anyone help? thanks...
[12:20] <whiteknight> zerokarmaleft, what module are you trying to compile?
[12:24] <zerokarmaleft> whiteknight, highpoint 370 ide raid controller
[12:24] <zerokarmaleft> whiteknight, works fine with a custom kernel
[12:25] <whiteknight> zerokarmaleft, i don't see any problems compiling it seperately though i recommend you also have the kernel source
[12:25] <whiteknight> zerokarmaleft, wouldn't you also want this in the kernel itself not as a module?
[12:25] <zerokarmaleft> whiteknight, it build fine against linux-source, but then i can't insert it into a the stock kernel i'm running (686-smp)
[12:26] <whiteknight> zerokarmaleft, what errors are you getting?
[12:26] <zerokarmaleft> whiteknight, it's not in the kernel sources...it's the source for a third-party module
[12:27] <zerokarmaleft> whiteknight, a bunch of build errors as if it can't find certain includes
[12:27] <zerokarmaleft> whiteknight, like boolean defines TRUE and FALSE being undeclared
[12:28] <mandrake> Hello
[12:28] <whiteknight> zerokarmaleft, any mention of kconfig in the errors
[12:28] <mandrake> i havnt got sound with ubuntu
[12:29] <mandrake> help me :(
[12:29] <whiteknight> zerokarmaleft, what i found is that it is necessary to actually have compiled (or partly) a kernel from the sources before you can compile a third party driver
[12:29] <whiteknight> zerokarmaleft, you don't have to use the driver
[12:29] <whiteknight> zerokarmaleft, i mean kernel
[12:29] <carambol> mandrake open the volume on the upper panel
[12:32] <mr_mojo> hi all
[12:32] <apokryphos> http://gmail.com -- anyone else notice the storage going up? :D
[12:32] <jsgotangco> its 2GB
[12:32] <mr_mojo> i am trying to install beagle but the package doesn't seem to be there
[12:32] <mr_mojo> anyone know what's going on?
[12:32] <zerokarmaleft> whiteknight, that's been my experience as well...i'm just lazy and it's just extra steps on an upgrade :p
[12:32] <jsgotangco> im close to 500MB
[12:33] <da_bon_bon> mine is >2gb
[12:33] <whiteknight> zerokarmaleft, what i did was run make menuconfig
[12:33] <zerokarmaleft> jsgotangco, no, they just added a counter that updates via AJaX and it just keeps on incrementing
[12:33] <mr_mojo> WTF!?!!?!
[12:33] <mr_mojo> NO NO NO
[12:33] <mr_mojo> it's JAVASCRIPT NOT AJAX
[12:33] <mr_mojo> AJAX is a _USELESS_ blogger buzzword
[12:33] <mr_mojo> you should be shot if you use it
[12:33] <whiteknight> zerokarmaleft, immedialtly exited and ran make, after 10 lines i just ctrl-c and compile the driver
[12:34] <jsgotangco> they dont really allot you 2GB its just their limit
[12:34] <Arnia> Any bazaar and Gnome users who are willing to help me test an experiment?
[12:34] <thoreauputic> mr_mojo: OK - calm down and cut the shouting, man :)
[12:34] <zerokarmaleft> wow, it's just an acronym
[12:34] <mr_mojo> what does is stand for?!!!
[12:34] <Arnia> Ajax is a brand of cleaner here... :)
[12:35] <mr_mojo> im so sick to death of bastard bloggers taking technology that us developers use, sticking a 'cool' name on it and then everyone thinking they invented
[12:35] <prego> Arnia, Ajax pino
[12:35] <mr_mojo> zerokarma: since you don't know, it stands for 'asyncronous javascript and xml'
[12:35] <prego> Arnia, I cannot stand without it :-P
[12:35] <mr_mojo> please tell me, where in the source code for that page is there any xml in the couner's source code?! oh, you can't.
[12:35] <Arnia> prego: Heh... I like vim (what is it with techies naming stuff after household cleaning agents? ;)
[12:36] <thoreauputic> mr_mojo: hey, cool it - he just used a term he's seen: don't fet riled about it, it's just a term...
[12:36] <prego> Arnia, I use vim also, he he
[12:36] <prego> Arnia, both, in deed :-))
[12:37] <Arnia> I use both vims... the electronic and the cleaner :)
[12:37] <prego> Me too
[12:37] <prego> I'm sad since there is not Nedit cleaner brand
[12:37] <Arnia> The water is so hard around here that you need a good scouring agent
[12:37] <jsgotangco> can't OOo v2 get any faster *grin*
[12:38] <Arnia> My OOo2 is running quite fast now... compared to how it was at least
[12:38] <zerokarmaleft> mr_mojo, you're right i just checked the source, and updateQuota doesn't seem to use xmlhttprequest
[12:38] <jsgotangco> Arnia: no tweaking?
[12:38] <mr_mojo> no it doesn't
[12:38] <Arnia> jsgotangco: None
[12:38] <zerokarmaleft> congratulations have a cookie, get out of my face
[12:39] <prego> jsgotangco, I've used once remotely and performs quite good
[12:39] <mr_mojo> asshole
[12:39] <jsgotangco> *grin* even my fonts in OOo v2 are borked
[12:39] <Arnia> My desktop is so pretty atm :)
[12:39] <prego> jsgotangco, remotely fonts are just good. Not tried locally yet.
[12:39] <zerokarmaleft> whiteknight, thanks for the input
[12:40] <whiteknight> zerokarmaleft, no worries, hope it works eventually
[12:40] <zerokarmaleft> whiteknight, guess i'll go back to tweaking my kernel config
[12:40] <Arnia> Using Gill Sans to render my interface was a good move
[12:41] <prego> Arnia, Gill Sans?
[12:41] <prego> Arnia, I'm quite happy with Bistream Vera....
[12:41] <Arnia> Gill Sans is my favourite font of all time
[12:41] <Arnia> Vera is ugly to me
[12:42] <prego> Arnia, does Gill Sans come with standard ubuntu fonts?
[12:42] <i2oboDude> hello fellow ubuntuers
[12:43] <apokryphos> Arnia: maybe we're juxtaposed by nature ;-)
[12:43] <i2oboDude> How can i restart my X session?
[12:43] <Arnia> Gill Sans was designed by Eric Gill, one of the greatest font designers of all time. He was a student of Johnston, who's font Johnston Sans was developed at the start of the 20th C for use by the London Underground for signage and branding
[12:44] <thoreauputic> i2oboDude: ctrl-alt-backspace
[12:44] <i2oboDude> gracias amigo
[12:44] <apokryphos> prego: vim: sometimes. Tend to use kate vast majority of the time
[12:44] <da_bon_bon> is reiser4 still considered unstable, or no ?
[12:45] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: yes
[12:45] <Arnia> Johnston Sans is still the London Underground's font... and its popularity remains undiminished
[12:45] <Arnia> Gill Sans, a relatively close relative of Johnston Sans, is also associated with a well-known brand -- it is the the BBC's corporate font used for their whole brand.
[12:46] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: but on the site it says that it was "released" ... doesnt that mean that it is stable ?
[12:46] <prego> Arnia, where can we download Gill Sans from?
[12:46] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: *shrug* - perhaps
[12:47] <prego> da_bon_bon, hmm I'm scared about Reiserfs4. Soo innovative....
[12:47] <Arnia> In the 1960s the Ministry for Transport were looking for a font that could be read at high speed with clarity for use on their new signing system. In the end they went for a hybrid between Johnston Sans and Gill Sans which rapidly became known as Transport Sans. It has now been adopted by many other countries as it proved a brilliant font for its purpose
[12:47] <da_bon_bon> prego: but soo exciting all the same
[12:47] <Arnia> prego: You can download crappy copies from many free font archives. I'm using a professional copy though
[12:47] <prego> da_bon_bon, he he
[12:48] <nix000> anyone tell me why OOo takes for ever in hoary preview ?
[12:48] <prego> Arnia, I'll stay with Vera, then since I'm quite happy right now.
[12:48] <thoreauputic> "Ricer FS - goes reallly fast then blows up... "
[12:48] <CarlK> anyone know how much disk space could be neded to rsync the 600meg hoary-install.iso?
[12:49] <da_bon_bon> CarlK: 600 mb! ?
[12:49] <Arnia> prego: Fair enough... I'm just a typographile. Like audiophiles can't stand poor quality audio equipment, I can't stand poor quality typography :)
[12:49] <CarlK> da_bon_bon - apprently 900+
[12:49] <da_bon_bon> CarlK: why ?!
[12:49] <Arnia> Its a pointless obsession with perfection, but I love fonts :)
[12:50] <fabbione> CarlK: are you rsyncing from an old image?
[12:50] <fabbione> from/to
[12:50] <mjr> thoreauputic, "Snap, Crackle, Pop, Kellog's Reiser Crispies"
[12:50] <fabbione> if so the space is doubled.
[12:50] <fabbione> because you keep the original
[12:50] <gen> Is hoary final supposed to come out today?
[12:50] <CarlK> fabbione - no, in fact I am rsyncing an up to date image, just moved it to another box
[12:50] <Arnia> Oh, and so you can see how it looks in an interface: http://www.dur.ac.uk/j.r.c.geldart/Screenshot.png
[12:50] <thoreauputic> mjr: heheh :)
[12:50] <Arnia> (for those who care)
[12:51] <fabbione> CarlK: i mean.. this is not the first time you rsync, right?
[12:51] <fabbione> CarlK: so you are updating an existing image
[12:51] <CarlK> fabbione - I have been rsyncing abotut 3 times a day for the last month
[12:51] <fabbione> in that case the space is doubled
[12:51] <CarlK> doubbled?
[12:51] <fabbione> CarlK: the amount of times is irrelevant
[12:52] <fabbione> CarlK: during the rsync operation yes. After that it will go back to 600M
[12:52] <Archer> can anyone please help me with the installation of Ubuntu? (noob here)
[12:52] <da_bon_bon> whats the point in rsyncing with newer image ? does it mean that only the new parts are downloaded, not the complete image ?
[12:52] <gen> anyone know?
[12:52] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: exactly
[12:52] <CarlK> fabbione - ok, thats what I needed to know - thanks
[12:52] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: rsync uses the local image to copy the data that are shared
[12:53] <fabbione> and download only the newer bits
[12:53] <fabbione> that saves bandwith
[12:53] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: great! i never knew it...
[12:53] <fabbione> but it requires a bit more hd space
[12:53] <Elsidox> does anyone know how good Yum is?
[12:53] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: which is really noticable on a 2kbps net connection
[12:53] <da_bon_bon> Elsidox: very good. not ass good as apt
[12:53] <da_bon_bon> s/ass/as
[12:53] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: i notice the benefits even on a 100Mb pipe
[12:53] <CarlK> fabbione - any idea where it creates the "working copy" ?
[12:54] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: u have a 100mb per second net connection ?!
[12:54] <Archer> can anyone help me with "configuring apt" during installation of Ubuntu? thanks.
[12:54] <fabbione> CarlK: same dir. the file is called .something
[12:54] <fgx> which is the correct vga= parameter for a 1680x1050 resolution? can't find any table...
[12:54] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: no, but i rsync internally between my machines
[12:54] <CarlK> fabbione - got it
[12:54] <sofie_msumu> hello
[12:54] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: i only have a couple of Mb
[12:54] <CarlK> fabbione - Is there an rsync "source" of all the files instead of the CD image?
[12:54] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: thath still much better than hardly some kb :)
[12:55] <fabbione> CarlK: you mean for the archive?
[12:55] <CarlK> right
[12:55] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: i am not scared of 2kbps.. i used 300 bps modems at my time
[12:56] <fabbione> CarlK: yes. just check on the wiki on how to mirror ubuntu
[12:56] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, im thinking of switching to fedora. It seems lots of devs support rpm. Like novell. I cant get ifolder on here.
[12:56] <fabbione> iirc it gives all the explanation on how to do it properly
[12:56] <Arnia> Elsidox: RPMs are notoriously unportable
[12:56] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: i am not scared, but its damn frustrating to wait for an hour before i get a 6mb mp3
[12:56] <Archer> anyone knows how come during installation, "configuring apt", "setting up primary installation repository", it just stop at 25%?
[12:56] <da_bon_bon> Elsidox: dont. rpm i bad
[12:56] <da_bon_bon> s/i/is
[12:56] <Arnia> Elsidox: so-called 'RPM Hell'
[12:57] <Elyseum> hi
[12:57] <prego> Arnia, Hate to say this, but your screenshot fonts look blurry in my CRT monitor. Guess that you are using a LCD monitor where it look perfect.
[12:57] <Arnia> Yeah... subpixel rendering
[12:57] <prego> A nice font, btw
[12:57] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, Arnia, doesnt yum solve dependecie issues?
[12:58] <Arnia> Archer: I had that problem with an early CD of Hoary... I just installed again and it worked. Don't know why it happened
[12:58] <da_bon_bon> Elsidox: it does. but still, fedora is damn slow
[12:58] <Arnia> Couldn't reproduce it again either
[12:58] <Arnia> Elsidox: It doesn't solve the problem of SuSE RPMs not being the same as Fedora RPMs though :)
[12:58] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, but it has all the cool stuff. =)
[12:58] <Arnia> Elsidox: If you're really keen, turn the RPMs into debs
[12:58] <Elsidox> Arnia, I use to use suse. It sucked ass.
[12:58] <da_bon_bon> Elsidox: ubuntu has cooooler stuff than fedora. anyway, try it if u r soo keen
[12:59] <Archer> Arnia: i tried many times, but its still the same.
[12:59] <Arnia> Archer: What disc are you using? Hoary RC?
[12:59] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, ubuntu doesnt have ifolder. =). And when I go to gaims website i dotn see any ubuntu debs. =)
[12:59] <waxhead> is it my imagination, or are there really 60+meg of updates for hoary each day?
[01:00] <Archer> Arnia: erm... i think its the latest Ubuntu 5.04, "The Hoary Hedgehog"
[01:00] <da_bon_bon> Elsidox: debian has soooo many packages, much more than fedora. anyway, whts ifolder ?
[01:00] <Arnia> waxhead: There are atm because its bug fix time before final
[01:00] <zerokarmaleft> waxhead, ya the hoary repositories are pretty active with patches with final release just aroudn the corner
[01:01] <Arnia> da_bon_bon: iFolder is cool, but iFolder, Beagle etc are apparently going to be in breezy so they'll be trackable soon
[01:01] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, http://www.ifolder.com/
[01:01] <jagera27> Having trouble with 'put'. when trying to upload webpage to my ISP server.
[01:01] <Arnia> Elsidox: Uh, the last part was for you
[01:01] <waxhead> that's cool... just checking
[01:01] <jagera27>  What's wrong with this line? lftp 026655555@home.exetel.com.au:/> lftp  put -O /home/nick/ Jagera27Home.html -o /jagera27/HomePage1.html
[01:01] <phobosanger> i m trying to install some thingys and i get this error because libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object fi                                  such file or directory
[01:01] <tayar> how do i use apt-ftparchive?
[01:02] <Archer> Arnia: sorry for my ignorance, but i've never touch linux before
[01:02] <tayar> jagera27, are you also with exetel?
[01:02] <phobosanger> how can i find which package will gemme this file?
[01:02] <Arnia> Elsidox: Breezy should track beagle and iFolder both... they couldn't give Mono 1.1 as an install option though for Hoary
[01:02] <jagera27> yes
[01:02] <Arnia> Elsidox: You can't have both 1.0 and 1.1 installed at the same prefix
[01:02] <Elsidox> Arnia, breezys so far away =(
[01:02] <Dalkus> umount: /share: device is busy    How do I stop that?
[01:02] <Arnia> Elsidox: You can start tracking in about a week probably
[01:02] <da_bon_bon> phobosanger: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[01:02] <Arnia> Archer: Try burning the CD again
[01:02] <waxhead> Dalkus, make sure there isn't a shell with a directory under /share open
[01:03] <Dalkus> waxhead, there isn't :)
[01:03] <Elsidox> Arnia, tracking it?
[01:03] <jagera27> i've logged in with p/w just can't get any further
[01:03] <kbrooks> the updates are translations
[01:03] <kbrooks> wow
[01:04] <Arnia> Elsidox: Swap your repositories to the breezy ones and dist-upgrade
[01:04] <Archer> Arnia: Ok.
[01:04] <Arnia> kbrooks: That's a lot of translation...
[01:04] <thoreauputic> jagera27: if you're logged in you just do ` put fileinquestion.html`
[01:04] <bod> what's the media player in ubuntu?
[01:04] <thoreauputic> jagera27: that's it AFAIK
[01:04] <Arnia> kbrooks: Includes welsh?
[01:04] <Elsidox> Arnia, and that will get me ifolder and all that when breezys testing?
[01:05] <Dalkus> bod, mplayer, gmplayer, xine, totem
[01:05] <thoreauputic> jagera27: assuming you did a cd to the remote directory
[01:05] <Dalkus> xmms is like winamp
[01:05] <tayar> Does anyone know howto use apt-ftparchive!?
[01:05] <kbrooks> Elsidox, what thw hell is ifolder
[01:05] <Archer> Arnia: by the way, is there anything important that i need to know for installtion of Ubuntu? read some of the documentation, but dont understand the commands etc...
[01:05] <bod> Dalkus: I've a collegue who's installed ubuntu (I use Debian myself), and she's complaining that there's no xmms
[01:05] <jagera27> Ok i'll try it again , i'm using man lftp as a guide
[01:05] <Arnia> Elsidox: Yes... but you'll have to wait for the new Mono first. Its worth sticking around though. I prefer to wait a bit and have something that Just Works rather than jump in and have everything go to hell
[01:06] <Arnia> kbrooks: www.ifolder.com
[01:06] <Elsidox> kbrooks, http://www.ifolder.com/
[01:06] <thoreauputic> bod: it's in universe
[01:06] <Dalkus> bod, ask her to check out www.ubuntuguide.org it explains how to isntall the mp3 libraries and xmms
[01:06] <bod> Dalkus: "apt-get install xmms" doesn't work (warty+universe+multiverse)
[01:06] <Elsidox> Arnia, ok. I think ill wait. Thanks for your time. =)
[01:06] <thoreauputic> bod: umm... has she done apt-get update ?
[01:06] <bod> thoreauputic: there were a bunch of xmms-* packages, but no actual xmms
[01:06] <Dalkus> By default ubuntu dosn't have support for mp3's since theyre not a free format
[01:06] <Arnia> Archer: Not really... it mostly configures everything itself.
[01:06] <Arnia> Elsidox: No problem :)
[01:07] <thoreauputic> bod: well, something's wrong - I have xmms right here on Warty
[01:07] <bod> thoreauputic: yes (note, I'm very familiar with Debian)
[01:07] <bod> OK
[01:07] <fabbione> hey bod
[01:07] <Dalkus> like I said, read the guide
[01:07] <Elsidox> why use xmms when theres sonance http://sonance.aaronbock.net/
[01:07] <bod> Elsidox: because she's used to it
[01:07] <apokryphos> bod: xmms is definitely in Warty.
[01:07] <thoreauputic> bod: maybe the sources.list has a minor fault or something like that
[01:07] <Archer> Arnia: there was once i went pass the Apt configuration, then it tried to install for some websites, but all failed. is there anything wrong?
[01:08] <Arnia> mmm... good blog post -- http://www.advogato.org/person/bolsh/
[01:08] <bod> I've managed to ween her off RH
[01:08] <Elsidox> bod, sonance is just like winamp. heh.
[01:08] <bod> hey fabbione
[01:08] <fabbione> bod: there is xmms.. i use it :)
[01:08] <Arnia> Why use any of them when you can use Muine ;) (who would have thought there could be media player flamewars? ;)
[01:08] <fabbione> bod: just let me check one thing for you
[01:08] <apokryphos> Arnia: never heard of it :P
[01:09] <fabbione> bod: it's in main.. probably not on the CD..
[01:09] <thoreauputic> bod: actually I just checked apt-cache policy and xxms is actually in main
[01:09] <fabbione> bod: you can just apt-get it
[01:09] <Arnia> Archer: The 'websites' are the remote repositories.
[01:09] <Okys> hi people, just curious on how i get a root password?
[01:09] <bod> fabbione: OK, sounds like the sources.list is screwed
[01:09] <apokryphos> Okys: There's no root password; ubuntu uses sudo
[01:09] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell Okys ubusudo
[01:09] <bod> Okys: "passwd root"
[01:09] <Arnia> apokryphos: You wouldn't like it anyway... ;)
[01:09] <felis> Okys: sudo passwd root
[01:09] <Pyre> Okys: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:09] <Archer> Arnia: what are repositories?
[01:10] <kbrooks> sudo passwd
[01:10] <Arnia> Archer: They're how software is distributed in the Ubuntu world
[01:10] <Okys> it reckons i already have one
[01:10] <fabbione> bod: you can paste it to me if you want
[01:10] <Okys> i tried passwd root
[01:10] <Archer> Arnia: but if i can't install them during the installation, that means my OS can't run right?
[01:10] <apokryphos> Okys: check that lin; it explains it all. You should just use sudo
[01:10] <Okys> k
[01:10] <Okys> taa
[01:11] <Arnia> Archer: No, it means you won't have a bang-up-to-date system when you first reboot
[01:11] <bod> fabbione: at work, will look again tomorrow...  thanks
[01:11] <fabbione> bod: no problem...
[01:11] <bod> need to set up our local mirror anyhow
[01:11] <Archer> Arnia: oh....
[01:11] <Arnia> Archer: You can then configure it later so that it can access the internet and get the updates
[01:11] <bod> rsyncing off archive.u.o is darned slow
[01:12] <bod> wonder if I can get a push-mirror
[01:12] <fabbione> bod: ask elmo :)
[01:12] <Arnia> Archer: Repositories are used to fix bugs and security holes, to allow you to search for the best software for your needs, and to keep everything ticking over smoothly
[01:12] <fabbione> bod: there are also a list of mirrors on the wiki
[01:12] <fabbione> bod: perhaps there are some closers to you than archive
[01:13] <bod> fabbione: yah, but none of the .au ones had rsync last I looked
[01:13] <Archer> Arnia: after all those installation, it ask me for my login and password, i keyed, and it just stayed there, it dosen't go into a desktop or something, how come?
[01:13] <fabbione> bod: oh right...
[01:13] <bod> fabbione: rather one did, but they black-banned me and put a note in the motd after I snarfed 30G or so
[01:13] <Pointwood> has Hoary been released? or is it only here the website is slow?
[01:13] <fabbione> bod: lol
[01:14] <Arnia> Archer: It will need to reboot first... I can't remember the exact installer sequence though: can someone else comment? Who's installed hoary more recently than a few months ago :)
[01:14] <apokryphos> Pointwood: not yet. Friday
[01:14] <bod> fabbione: this is for a customer-facing (ISP) mirror, 2.2T
[01:14] <bod> might have to bug elmo again
[01:14] <fabbione> bod: just send a mail to admins@
[01:14] <fabbione> bod: not debian.org ;)
[01:14] <bod> fabbione: right.  ubuntulinux.org?
[01:14] <fabbione> bod: i am not even sure 100% that he is doing triggering
[01:14] <fabbione> but asking is better :)
[01:14] <Arnia> Its the wiki
[01:15] <tayar> cya
[01:15] <Arnia> ZWiki tends to chew memory out for breakfast
[01:15] <fabbione> bod: checking on the wiki.. right a sec
[01:15] <BGenesis> Hey, how do I change my graphic tablet settings in Ubuntu? It's been detected and the mouse cursor's moving, but the pen's doing all the wrong things!
[01:15] <jagera27> should i be 'putting' or 'getting. what does the prompt mean here?  lftp 02665555@home.exetel.com.au:/> put /home/nick/jagera27Home.html
[01:15] <jagera27> put: /home/nick/jagera27Home.html: No such file or directory
[01:15] <Archer> Arnia: by the way, thank you very much for the help. I'll go try out the configuring apt part first
[01:15] <bod> the other issue with this machine at work is sound (on MB) no workee....
[01:15] <bluewheel> can anyone point in me the direction of some documentation to get multi head doing on an ati7500 (laptop) ?
[01:15] <bod> anyone come across this:
[01:15] <bod> 0000:00:1b.0 Class 0403: Intel Corp. I/O Controller Hub Audio (rev 03)
[01:16] <fabbione> bod: sorry.. mirrors@canonical.com
[01:17] <bod> fabbione: muchas gracias
[01:17] <fabbione> hmm no.. never seen that..
[01:17] <bumperland> any one get a pod cast program working ?
[01:17] <bod> new enough so as not to appear in the kernel pci tables
[01:18] <fabbione> probably
[01:18] <thoreauputic> jagera27: this is how I do it: first cd to the dir you have the file in locally, then login via lftp, cd to the right remote dir, then run ` put localfile`
[01:18] <bod> odd machine, the on-board video is a bit crappy, so I thought I'd just throw a spare AGP card in...  no dice, it has a PCI-X slot where I'm used to seeing AGP :)
[01:18] <bod> whup, dinner's ready
[01:19] <jagera27> thanks, i'll give it another go
[01:19] <andreizinca> hello. how to disable showing the mounted servers (ftp, ssh, etc) on desktop ? they already appear in Places..
[01:20] <Arnia> andreizinca: You can flip that setting in GConf
[01:20] <Arnia> andreizinca: Give me a moment and I'll find the key for you
[01:21] <andreizinca> Arnia,  thanks. because i've searched already in gconf myself, but did not find it
[01:21] <Arnia> andreizinca: /apps/nautilus/desktop/volumes_visible
[01:21] <andreizinca> Arnia, thank you very mouch
[01:21] <BGenesis> Hey, how do I change my graphic tablet settings in Ubuntu? It's been detected and the mouse cursor's moving, but the pen's doing all the wrong things!
[01:21] <Arnia> andreizinca: No problem
[01:21] <andreizinca> Arnia, much :)
[01:21] <Okys> whats the command to reconfigure my network
[01:22] <pybe> Okys, ifconfig
[01:22] <Arnia> System > Administration > Networking
[01:22] <Arnia> (for the GUI view ;)
[01:22] <Okys> everytime i go to do anything it asks for a password that i didnt set
[01:22] <Okys> Arnia thanks
[01:23] <Arnia> Okys: If you didn't set a password, use your user password
[01:23] <njan> Okys, it'll be asking you for your user password
[01:23] <njan> bah :p
[01:23] <Okys> Arnia, njan taa
[01:24] <nexus-> geez
[01:24] <nexus-> getting wpa to run on ubuntu is such a giant pita
[01:24] <nexus-> anyone had any luck?
[01:25] <Arnia> njan: Faster next time :)
[01:25] <Okys> whats lo exactly, im trying to find my wireless
[01:25] <kbrooks> loopback
[01:26] <Okys> right
[01:26] <njan> Arnia, I'm sharing my office with a Canadian who keeps distracting me.. it isn't my fault :p
[01:26] <BGenesis> How do I configure what the different actions from my graphics tablet pen does?
[01:26] <Arnia> njan: And I've been awake for 24 hours and am still coding... so? ;)
[01:26] <njan> BGenesis, I would guess that if the buttons aren't working correctly, it's an x configuration issue..
[01:26] <Okys> ive had my wireless working in debian therefore am i correct in my assumption that it should work in ubuntu
[01:26] <BGenesis> njan... well, can I change them? ^^
[01:27] <njan> BGenesis, ..if I were you I'd either play around with the pointer settings for your tablet or google for someone else who's documented getting linux to work with your tablet and see what they changed to make it work
[01:27] <Arnia> Okys: Ubuntu managed to detect my wireless perfectly
[01:27] <BGenesis> Thanks njan
[01:27] <njan> BGenesis, sure! /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 if you're in warty, /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you're in hoary
[01:27] <Okys> Arnia whats the command to get it to recheck
[01:27] <Elsidox> anyone know a good irc program other than xchat?
[01:27] <njan> BGenesis, if you haven't configured X before it can be a little danting the first time, though :p
[01:27] <Okys> define good
[01:27] <njan> Arnia, Canadians are far more distracting than lack of sleep :p
[01:27] <Arnia> Okys: Bring up the GUI I told you about
[01:28] <Okys> yep done that
[01:28] <Arnia> Okys: Its pretty easy to figure out...
[01:28] <BGenesis> njan: I need to get pressure sensitivity to work too, mind.
[01:29] <BGenesis> njan, Hmm... I'm still at a loss. Is there a dialog somewhere for ocnfiguring the mouse?
[01:29] <njan> BGenesis, yeah, I'd imagine configuring a tablet is a little tricky like that, but I've never done it, so I don't have a clue where to start; I'd be googling '"model of tablet" +linux'
[01:29] <AndyFitz> hey hey,  anyone know what the current support for the Nvidia 6800 is ?
[01:29] <Okys> Arnia its not there
[01:30] <thoreauputic> Elsidox: it depends what you like
[01:30] <Okys> just lo and sth0
[01:30] <BGenesis> k
[01:30] <Okys> eth0
[01:30] <kbrooks> wl--------------+
[01:30] <Elsidox> thoreauputic, I like gnomeish stuff. =)
[01:30] <thoreauputic> Elsidox: gaim does IRC for instance, or the firefox chatzilla extension
[01:30] <njan> BGenesis, yes, but I don't know how helpful it'll be
[01:30] <njs12345> I have a question about the CD database
[01:30] <Arnia> Okys: What card do you have?
[01:30] <kbrooks> sorry
[01:30] <thoreauputic> Elsidox: gaim does a decent attempt at an IRC client
[01:31] <thoreauputic> Elsidox: a bit limited compared to xchat
[01:31] <kbrooks> thoreauputic, Gaim is BAD at IRC
[01:31] <njs12345> I've already ordered a Warty CD set, and they arrived fine, and now I want some hoary ones
[01:31] <kbrooks> completely bad. evilish bad
[01:31] <njs12345> do I have to do anything?
[01:31] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: it depends how critical you are
[01:31] <BGenesis> njan: It's a MD9570 I'm searching for.
[01:31] <Okys> i believe its yenta socket...in my toshiba 4600 lappy
[01:31] <kbrooks> thoreauputic, i'm CRITICAL
[01:31] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: I prefer xchat or irssi
[01:32] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: I noticed :)
[01:32] <kbrooks> thats why i use xchat
[01:32] <njs12345> I'm still waiting for xchat-gnome :)
[01:32] <kbrooks> and/or irssi
[01:32] <Okys> Arnia i believe its yenta socket...in my toshiba 4600 lappy
[01:32] <Arnia> Okys: Yenta is just a bus type... PCMCIA
[01:32] <kbrooks> njs12345, wtf is xchat-gnome
[01:32] <Arnia> I think at least
[01:32] <njs12345> http://xchat-gnome.navi.cx/
[01:32] <grogoreo> hi
[01:32] <lok> kbrooks, a fork of xchat
[01:33] <dockane> mmmhhh OO does not look like the stables application here on hoary
[01:33] <grogoreo> can someone please tell me how I can crop a picture on Ooo 1.9/2.0 beta?
[01:33] <Okys> Arnia its built in
[01:33] <njs12345> so anyone know about the CD database?
[01:33] <lok> grogoreo, with gimp ?
[01:33] <grogoreo> no Ooo
[01:33] <grogoreo> lok, like you can in MS Word
[01:34] <BGenesis> njan: No results it looks like.
[01:34] <dockane> hanging splash screens, frozen windows etc
[01:34] <Okys> is there a way to start the set up configuration program without reinstalling
[01:34] <lok> grogoreo, in fact I don't know that I can make it with both ms word and OOo, I've just learned it
[01:35] <thoreauputic> njs12345: hmm... looks like the human interface Nazis are at it again: I *like* the configurability of xchat - gnomeifying it doesn't appeal to me at all
[01:35] <njan> Okys, do you need to select a module for your network card to be autoloaded?
[01:35] <BGenesis> njan: Back to windows, yes?
[01:35] <grogoreo> lok, ok thanks anyway. I'll have to use GIMP. I tried the OOo help but it crashes every time, which I expect as its still in beta!
[01:35] <njs12345> thoreauputic: I like "the human interface Nazis"
[01:35] <njs12345> :P
[01:35] <njs12345> "heil Seth Nickell" *raises forearm*
[01:35] <njs12345> :P
[01:36] <thoreauputic> njs12345: the nice people who brought you un-editable menus?
[01:36] <njs12345> thoreauputic: that's got nothing to do with human interface, that's a bug and it's going to be fixed in 2.12
[01:36] <thoreauputic> OK :)
[01:36] <Tsuroerusu> Yo cut the shit about nazis, those bastards don't got anything to do with humanity which is what "Ubuntu" actually means
[01:36] <kbrooks> 2.12?
[01:36] <kbrooks> wth?
[01:37] <kbrooks> WHAT THE DICK
[01:37] <gub> hi
[01:37] <thoreauputic> njs12345: Godwin's Law says I eneded the conversation anyway ;)
[01:37] <thoreauputic> *ended
[01:37] <Dalkus> Don't swear please.
[01:37] <kbrooks> Godwin's law?
[01:37] <Dalkus> Hmm?
[01:37] <Arnia> kbrooks: Its a side-effect of the change to the freedesktop spec... unfortunate, but long term good
[01:37] <gub> xchat-gnome sux
[01:37] <thoreauputic> Dalkus: I thought Dick was short for Richard ? *grin*
[01:37] <kbrooks> it LOGICALLY commands you to do something?
[01:38] <kbrooks> omfg
[01:38] <Dalkus> thoreauputic, bah :P heh
[01:38] <njs12345> haha, godwin's law
[01:38] <kbrooks> Arnia, 2.12 of what
[01:39] <Arnia> kbrooks: Gnome
[01:41] <kbrooks> gnome 2.10 has a bug? and that is?
[01:41] <dockane> what do i ahvde
[01:41] <njs12345> the lack of a menu editor
[01:41] <kbrooks> you serious
[01:42] <Okys> njan i believe its connected to the pcmcia
[01:42] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: umm... it's well-known
[01:42] <Okys> pcmcia doesnt happen
[01:42] <dockane> what do iave to expect when i make a dist-upgrade with a debian mirror in mein sources.list ? any known problems ?
[01:42] <Okys> no such command
[01:42] <njs12345> anyone here taking part in the CSS reboot or may 1st reboot?
[01:42] <pybe> Okys, what are you trying to do?
[01:43] <HiddenWolf> dockane: dist-upgrading to a debian mirror is not for the faint of heart
[01:43] <BGenesis> njs12345: What's that//
[01:43] <Jefis> How to run check disk untility
[01:43] <pybe> Jefis, man fsck
[01:43] <Okys> pybe get my wireless network happnin
[01:43] <BGenesis> Ah well, back to windows for now.
[01:43] <pybe> Okys, what card
[01:43] <BGenesis> See you all round
[01:43] <Arnia> njs12345: I would if I had time :/
[01:43] <kbrooks> pybe: mybe a gui interface to it?
[01:43] <njs12345> BGenesis: basically, you take your site down on April 25th, put up a new one on May 1st, and if the judges decide it's the best you win free hosting from mediatemple for like
[01:44] <pybe> kbrooks, to what
[01:44] <njs12345> s/like/life/
[01:44] <kbrooks> fsck
[01:44] <Okys> pybe gotta go rehearse bbl
[01:44] <pybe> kbrooks, nope
[01:44] <BGenesis> njs12345: AWESOME... except... I'd never win XD I'm good, but not that good.
[01:44] <Okys> nice to find a helpful room
[01:44] <Jefis> what could be, when I start k3b it hangs
[01:44] <Jefis> cpu starts working 100%
[01:44] <njs12345> well, that's May 1st Reboot.. the CSS Reboot is like May 1st but for CSS
[01:44] <Jefis> and only way out, is hard reboot
[01:44] <njs12345> BGenesis: I don't exactly expect to win either ;)
[01:44] <BGenesis> oh well, I'll go for it anyway.
[01:44] <pybe> kbrooks, its not something you proactively use
[01:44] <BGenesis> :D
[01:45] <njs12345> lol
[01:45] <Arnia> kbrooks: The menu editor is a large piece of functionality, yes. and they messed up the release management over it, yes. But it wouldn't improve things to start messing around with the release policies
[01:45] <njs12345> I've got a counter up on my site atm
[01:45] <njs12345> http://blog.skehin.com/
[01:45] <pybe> kbrooks, the system will auto run it on boot every x days or x boots which ever is 1st
[01:45] <njs12345> only 2250881 seconds left! better get cracking :P
[01:45] <kbrooks> pybe: s/boots/mounts/
[01:46] <pybe> kbrooks, mmm
[01:46] <Jefis> "chown: changing ownership of `/home/jefis/.*': Read-only file system" <-- whata fuck?
[01:46] <Jefis> konquerer fails to run
[01:47] <kbrooks> pybe: mount -o remount, rw / "counts" in that context
[01:47] <Jefis> "chmod: changing permissions of `/home/jefis/*': Read-only file system"
[01:47] <waxhead> re
[01:47] <accuser> Jefis: /home/jefis/.* includes /home
[01:47] <kbrooks> also, mounts again and again and again..... count
[01:48] <Jefis> ok
[01:48] <Jefis> now it works :)
[01:48] <kbrooks> pybe: so, x days or x mounts
[01:48] <BGenesis> Doh! Both my scanners are unsupported!!
[01:48] <BGenesis> BOTH!
[01:48] <Nermal> BGenesis, get a scsi one
[01:48] <BGenesis> Back to windows.....
[01:48] <kbrooks> pybe: And not the system. the init scripts
[01:48] <BGenesis> ah well, no cash.. .see you around
[01:48] <Nermal> twat :)
[01:49] <accuser> lol
[01:49] <kbrooks> heh
[01:49] <pybe>  /aw
[01:49] <housetier> I installed ubuntu on a friends computer. now he has the data from his isp, how can we set up ppp(oe)? I am used to pppoe and pppoeconf, however pppoe does not seem to be available
[01:49] <accuser> Nermal: the threshold for access to linux is actually quite low. then again, so is the technical knowledge of you average windows user.
[01:50] <kbrooks> housetier, ill find the deb.
[01:50] <Dalkus> I cannot write to a mounted FAT32 partition, I get permission denied, even as root, what can I do?
[01:50] <kbrooks> housetier, warty?
[01:50] <Dalkus> the relevent line in fstab is:
[01:50] <Dalkus> /dev/hdb1       /share          vfat    rw,user,auto    0       0
[01:50] <housetier> kbrooks hoary from three days ago
[01:50] <kbrooks> housetier, mmmm. h/o
[01:50] <CarlK> Dalkus - what about the line from mount?
[01:50] <LeeJunFan> Dalkus: put rw after user
[01:50] <Jefis> where is all logs about k3b, it crashes on run?
[01:51] <Dalkus> LeeJunFan, thanks
[01:51] <mvirkkil> ANyone happen to know why the wiki is so painfully slow?
[01:51] <Dalkus> CarlK, the what? :)
[01:51] <CarlK> Dalkus - I was wondering what mount said about it
[01:51] <LeeJunFan> Dalkus: here's mine.
[01:51] <Dalkus> mount: /dev/hdb1 already mounted or /share busy
[01:51] <LeeJunFan>  /dev/hda1       /mnt/windows    vfat    defaults,uid=junfan,gid=junfan,umask=22 0       0
[01:51] <Dalkus> mount: according to mtab, /dev/hdb1 is already mounted on /share
[01:51] <Arnia> mvirkkil: Its Zwiki
[01:52] <Dalkus> Thanks, LeeJunFan
[01:52] <CarlK> Dalkus - just mount, not mount stuff
[01:52] <dockane> what do you think is easier and more effective to tune (hoary on a p3 800 laptop with 192 mb ram) : gnome or switch to a lighter desktop like icewm ?
[01:52] <Arnia> mvirkkil: Its to do with how it holds some of its indexes I believe
[01:52] <mvirkkil> Arnia: Well, it's slower tan usual.
[01:52] <Nermal> accuser, aye.. but you try getting all your devices to work under windows without any manufacturers driver disks
[01:52] <mvirkkil> Arnia: A lot slower than usual.
[01:52] <Dalkus> CarlK, /dev/hdb1 on /share type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[01:52] <CarlK> dockane - have you tried it stock? I have it running on P2-333 and I am pleased
[01:52] <kbrooks> housetier, sending the .deb
[01:53] <Arnia> mvirkkil: There is a particular usage sequence that triggers this behaviour... and it crippled us on plone.org for a couple of days when we first found the bug
[01:53] <Arnia> mvirkkil: That was a fun christmas :p
[01:53] <Arnia> I'm trying to remember what it is
[01:53] <accuser> Nermal: isn't that what the internet is for? just plug in your device and download the internet... ;-)
[01:53] <housetier> kbrooks where are you sending it to? I dont see a dcc request here
[01:53] <dockane> CarlK, i am currently running hoary from stock but its obious that i need more ram for it
[01:53] <dockane> *obvoious
[01:54] <housetier> there it is
[01:54] <thoreauputic> accuser: as in "HElp! My interweb is broken!"  ;-)
[01:54] <mvirkkil> Arnia: It makes it extrememly painful to work with it :-(
[01:54] <kbrooks> housetier, put it on a floppy and dpkg -i it
[01:54] <zzyber> is release candidate the same as final?
[01:54] <Jefis> jefis@localhost:~$ k3b
[01:54] <Jefis> /tmp/mcop-jefis is accessible owned by user
[01:54] <Jefis> Permisions:0777
[01:54] <Jefis> Owner:Jefis
[01:54] <Jefis> What's wrong???????????
[01:54] <kbrooks> zzyber, no
[01:55] <mvirkkil> zzyber: No
[01:55] <kbrooks> zzyber, remaining bugs might be still in it
[01:55] <accuser> thoreauputic: the man at the shop said it had the internet!
[01:55] <thoreauputic> accuser: whereis my Internet Explorer icon ???
[01:55] <thoreauputic> accuser: haha
[01:55] <kbrooks> that need to be found and fixed
[01:55] <Nermal> accuser, was it the latest version of the internet though ?
[01:55] <mvirkkil> zzyber: In theory a release candidata could be the same as a final. In pratice it rarely is.
[01:55] <CarlK> dockane - I had FC2 on a P2-300, 96 - that sucks.  hoary on P2-333, 128 is closer to my P4-2g, 512
[01:55] <zzyber> so when is the final going to be released?
[01:55] <thoreauputic> accuser: now that would be nice to have locally .... *g*
[01:56] <Arnia> mvirkkil: Yes... but a wiki is a poor man's content management anyway. The best way to solve the inherent issues with wikis (from IA, technical and social points of view) is to do a business process analysis and build a system to match. I got really pissed off with wikis a long time ago :)
[01:56] <accuser> Nermal: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install internet
[01:56] <housetier> kbrooks can you tell me where you found the package?
[01:56] <Jefis> jefis@localhost:~$ k3b
[01:56] <Jefis> /tmp/mcop-jefis is accessible owned by user
[01:56] <Jefis> chmod:0777, owner: jefis, what's wrong?
[01:56] <iapx8088> hello anybody
[01:56] <kbrooks> housetier, i grabbed it with the -d option
[01:56] <accuser> hello iapx8088
[01:56] <iapx8088> where I am supposed to put a echo ondemand>/sys/system/ecc in ubuntu, to have it run at bootime
[01:56] <kbrooks> apt-get -d install pppoe
[01:56] <dockane> CarlK, i am currently thinking of upgrading my laptop ram but only if will not get too expensive
[01:56] <thoreauputic> accuser: "some packages could not be installed... maybe try --fix-missing? "
[01:57] <JaneW> what about LinkSys  Wireless Access Point 802.11g  WAP54G  R 676.00
[01:57] <JaneW> ?
[01:57] <accuser> thoreauputic: lol
[01:57] <JaneW> middle of the road?
[01:57] <mvirkkil> Arnia: I'm actually throwing around the idea of creating my own wiki type content management system on top of subversion using xslt to do conversions, and having a *really* small piece of script to handle submissions.
[01:57] <CarlK> dockane - check ebay
[01:57] <jobezone> does anyone recomend a browser which is lighter than firefox?(With 5 tabs open it starts to respond to my clicks very slowly)
[01:57] <iapx8088> jobezone, links
[01:57] <CarlK> wget ;)
[01:58] <mvirkkil> Arnia: All pages would be static. No dynamic content ever.
[01:58] <Arnia> mvirkkil: wikis are not a good model for content management... its like trusting untrained humans to organise the British Library
[01:58] <dockane> CarlK, well buying laptop ram via ebay has to be that cheap that i doesnt hurt when function fails
[01:58] <kbrooks> iapx8088, a cli browser is overkill
[01:58] <thoreauputic> jobezone: odd, i have 29 tabs open at the moment here....
[01:59] <mvirkkil> Arnia: I'm not talking about an open wik. Just a simple and a easy to use cms.
[01:59] <mvirkkil> Arnia: But then again, the differnece between a wiki and a simple cms can be a bit blurry.
[01:59] <housetier> thanks kbrooks
[01:59] <JaneW> sorry I posted on wrong #, I;m trying to get a wireless access oint recommendation...
[01:59] <CarlK> dockane - yeah - I think the odds are in your favor - figure if you buy 10 things and 2 fail, you are still way ahead
[02:00] <jobezone> thoreauputic, maybe its because I have 256 MB of ram only
[02:00] <Dhurntan> hi i need some help to install nocat on my ubuntu
[02:00] <thoreauputic> jobezone: same here
[02:00] <Arnia> I think the term CMS is used too loosely personally... it should not be applied to wikis, or to blogs or to anything without at least security and workflow :p
[02:00] <jobezone> thoreauputic, 29 tabs?
[02:00] <mvirkkil> Arnia: I don't like cms:s too much either. Basically my web content is so simple I rarely see a point in using dynamic content and hence almost never a reason for using a database.
[02:00] <Dhurntan> when i execute make gateway, it says no supported firewalls
[02:00] <thoreauputic> jobezone: yup, just counted them :)
[02:01] <Arnia> mvirkkil: Oh I like CMSes... but proper CMSes used for proper purposes
[02:01] <thoreauputic> jobezone: and it's been openfor days
[02:01] <jobezone> thoreauputic, If I open about 5 tabs with ubuntuforum's posts, it start to be slower on reacting.
[02:01] <Arnia> mvirkkil: My business builds such systems and we get very annoyed with people calling Wordpress etc 'a CMS'
[02:01] <CarlK> dockane - I even have hoary on a P2-350, 64m
[02:01] <thoreauputic> jobezone: ah - that could be the forums, not the browser
[02:01] <kbrooks> dillo
[02:01] <dockane> CarlK, last thing i bought was a bw laser printer : kyocery 1750 +. always wanted to have a fast and cheap workgroup printer. no i got one for 50 eur. those ebay deals are perfect. its just about to know WHAT you can buy via ebay and what NOT
[02:02] <kbrooks> bye
[02:02] <CarlK> tat starts to get painfull, but still better than FC2 on 96
[02:02] <thoreauputic> jobezone: the ubuntu site can be quite slow at times
[02:02] <mvirkkil> Arnia: I have an enormous distrust for CMS:s and database systems. I've developed and hacked on a few, and I feel most of the time a CMS is total overkill for what it is used. Then again, I also feel the blogging stuff is total overkill for blogging.
[02:02] <jobezone> thoreauputic, Do you have firefox 1.0.2? No, it's not the links, it's the entire browser: clicking on  File, takes 1-2 seconds to open the menu, then a second to draw the menu contents.
[02:03] <Arnia> mvirkkil: They aren't overkill when you need workflow, as most (all) businesses do
[02:03] <thoreauputic> jobezone: no, I have 1.0 from mozilla.org ( the binary)
[02:03] <thoreauputic> jobezone: I bypassed apt-get
[02:03] <Arnia> mvirkkil: Without workflow you can't guarantee your information processing... and in the UK that means the government shafts you :)
[02:03] <mvirkkil> Arnia: Ahh, workflow.. Yuck! But you are right.
[02:03] <jobezone> thoreauputic, hmm...
[02:03] <CarlK> mvirkkil - how would you rank Mambo vs the other CMSs?
[02:03] <jobezone> thoreauputic, well, I can try doing that.
[02:04] <nexus-> Selecting BSS from priority group 0
[02:04] <nexus-> 0: 00:0f:b5:66:51:c8 ssid='<hidden>' wpa_ie_len=0 rsn_ie_len=0
[02:04] <nexus->    skip - no WPA/RSN IE
[02:04] <nexus-> hmm
[02:04] <mvirkkil> CarlK: It's too new, doesn't support utf8 and uses php (which I don't like). Check out cmsmatrix.org
[02:04] <thoreauputic> jobezone: it works fine - i just put it in my home dir and linked it from /usr/local/bin
[02:04] <nexus-> anyone knows why it reports no WPA although its running on wpa?
[02:04] <nexus-> (the AP that is)
[02:04] <dockane> CarlK, yes its ok too here. but thats not what i am dreaming of : klick -> lag -> go | klick-> laaag -> go
[02:04] <Arnia> CarlK: PHP is not a good language for a high grade information system
[02:04] <mvirkkil> Arnia: But most people's websites don't need a cms, most project's pages don't need a cms.
[02:05] <jobezone> thoreauputic, yes, I'll try installing firefox oficial, see if it's faster
[02:05] <Bazzi> Best CMS *I* encountered so far (which is free) is Plone
[02:05] <Arnia> mvirkkil: Again, it depends. If the project is for a business then they definitely do
[02:05] <mvirkkil> Arnia: Yay. Another one who dislikes php :-)
[02:05] <Arnia> Bazzi: Glad to see a satisfied customer
[02:05] <Bazzi> Arnia are you of the Plone devteam? :)
[02:05] <njs12345> Arnia: I'm tempted to say that PHP isn't a good language for anything :P
[02:06] <mvirkkil> Arnia: Yes, again, I agree, but when I think project's web pages I don't think about work, but about OSS.
[02:06] <Bazzi> njs12345 php is good for a number of things
[02:06] <njs12345> bah.. I _wish_ more hosts supported mod_python
[02:06] <Bazzi> but php is swamped by newbies who make newbie scripts.
[02:06] <mvirkkil> njs12345: I would agree.
[02:06] <Arnia> Bazzi: My business were the guys who pushed for and then developed the markup and CSS for Plone 2
[02:06] <Bazzi> ah :)
[02:06] <kalis> how would i go about to change default file manager from nautilus to rox filer?
[02:06] <Bazzi> good xhtml/css for a change :D
[02:06] <garrut> anyone here running vnc?
[02:06] <Arnia> Bazzi: We got it as accessible as we could and educated the community as to why that was important
[02:07] <myosotis> eh
[02:07] <Bazzi> Arnia I'm one of those guys rpomoting proper XHTML/CSS/Accessibility for Web :)
[02:07] <Arnia> Bazzi: We're doing better now... moved onto working with the Zope3 UI. Far happier with that system
[02:07] <Bazzi> *promoting
[02:07] <onno> If you want to install mailman, what do you need to do after the apt-get install mailman?
[02:07] <Arnia> Bazzi: Cool... one of my partners is on the WAI in ATAG
[02:07] <njs12345> Bazzia: yeah
[02:07] <onno> is there some docs?
[02:08] <Pizbit> onno: Have a look in /usr/share/doc/ (POssibly /mailman/ after that)
[02:08] <Arnia> mvirkkil: ubuntulinux.org aren't using Plone properly... which is annoying to me for obvious reasons ;)
[02:09] <Bazzi> Arnia `properly'?
[02:10] <Arnia> Bazzi: Instead of building semantically motivated content types, a proper workflow and good processes (social / business mainly)... they're mostly using Plone as a wiki
[02:10] <Bazzi> :)
[02:11] <whiskers> well this is really something....this hoary has been running for many days and it hasn't crashed yet.
[02:11] <mvirkkil> Arnia: I haven't used plone more then for a test site, so I'm not familiar with it. How are they miss-using it?
[02:11] <Arnia> Bazzi: Admittedly extending plone isn't as straightforward or fun as extending z3, but its not that hard to write a couple of archetypes (a 'backport-ish' of Zope3 Schema to a non-component system)
[02:11] <Pizbit> whiskers: *shrug* I've had it running for weeks without a hitch :D
[02:11] <Arnia> mvirkkil: Using it as a wiki... it isn't a good way to use Plone
[02:11] <whiskers> Pizbit, well i just started ....but it seems to be holding up nicely
[02:11] <Bazzi> Arnia I have no clue of Python and the software which is involved in plone so I'm kinda out of the loop ;)
[02:12] <onno> is mailman the best?
[02:12] <Arnia> Then there's the design... I'm disappointed I missed the competition
[02:12] <onno> en most easy to use install etc... ?
[02:12] <Pizbit> whiskers: Considering that it's supposed to be released, er today/tommor/tz-depending I'd hope it was stable.
[02:12] <Arnia> I'm very very good at customising Plone 2 with just CSS :p
[02:12] <whiskers> well it is....if gnome is stable
[02:12] <whiskers> the kernel seems to be ok
[02:12] <mvirkkil> Arnia: I read that they are giong to use plone2 in the future. ave you thought about helping them out?
[02:13] <fgx> hello, what's the correct framebuffer vga parameter for a 1680x1050 resolution?
[02:13] <Arnia> mvirkkil: I'm building other stuff now. I don't do much Plone 2 any more
[02:13] <whiskers> i think i am going to try to build freemat and take a look at it
[02:13] <Arnia> mvirkkil: I'm building a better system in Z3... fixing all those niggling UI issues which were impossible to deal with in the Z2 world
[02:14] <Arnia> mvirkkil: got more job revenue coming up this way too
[02:14] <Arnia> btw, if you want to see what Plone 2 can look like when properly customised with just CSS, http://pan.netalleynetworks.com
[02:14] <mvirkkil> Arnia: I'm sure. Helping out has just never been about revenue for me.
[02:15] <Pizbit> whiskers: Bah, wiki suggests april 8, wonder who told me april 6 >.<
[02:15] <Arnia> mvirkkil: Revenue is important when you're juggling a business, a load of debt and a doctorate simultaneously
[02:15] <whiskers> Pizbit, well a couple of days won't really matter...it doesn't seem to hurt anything and if it does crash well it is very easy to reinstall
[02:15] <mvirkkil> Arnia: Well, you can make anything look like anything with CSS. I have always wondered why the plone skins all look the same.
[02:16] <Arnia> mvirkkil: I donated a year of my free time to Plone 2... and I release everything I can open-source... but I need to live
[02:16] <Arnia> mvirkkil: Lack of imagination mostly :p
[02:16] <whiskers> Pizbit, but i think they should give reiser4 a chance since they have a kernel that can support it
[02:16] <Arnia> mvirkkil: Plus limi didn't help *sigh*
[02:16] <mvirkkil> Arnia: I'm not judging, I'm just saying, that I didn't ask if you 'thought about helping out' for the revenue.
[02:17] <Ex-Cyber> why are RTF documents opening in gedit when /etc/mailcap specifies openoffice?
[02:18] <Ex-Cyber> does gnome have its own association system that overrides mailcap?
[02:18] <mvirkkil> Arnia: I am myself too busy with work at the moment to do any work on free projects. It's been a few months since I developed anything for the (or any) community.
[02:18] <Dhurntan> did someone successfully install nocat?
[02:18] <Arnia> mvirkkil: I want to clone myself... K'iln People styleee
[02:19] <sledger> Can I resize a reiser partition?
[02:19] <thoreauputic> Ex-Cyber: yeah, try right clicking the rtf file in nautilus and changing the app in properties
[02:19] <Arnia> Ex-Cyber: Yes, it uses the freedesktop.org shared-mime system
[02:19] <mvirkkil> Arnia: I want a lot of money so I wouldn't need to work and I could finish University and concentrate on different voluntary projects.
[02:20] <Ex-Cyber> should I go ahead and file a bug then? this is apparently the default...
[02:20] <Ex-Cyber> hmm
[02:20] <dockane> is OOo known to make problems in hoary, i cant even get the writer started
[02:20] <thoreauputic> Ex-Cyber: strange default if so, I agree
[02:20] <mvirkkil> dockane: WFM
[02:21] <Arnia> Ex-Cyber: The bug should be filed with freedesktop though
[02:21] <Ex-Cyber> in the dialog openoffice is listed first, but gedit is selected... seems like openoffice would be the default
[02:21] <dockane> mvirkkil, WFM ?
[02:21] <Pizbit> dockane: Didn't OOo2 did you?
[02:21] <mvirkkil> dockane: WorksForMe
[02:21] <Arnia> meh... brainmelt
[02:22] <Arnia> mvirkkil: I just want a few lifetimes to travel the world and read the entire British Library and learn it
[02:22] <dockane> Pizbit, its 1.1.3
[02:22] <mvirkkil> Arnia: Well, at least I
[02:23] <Arnia> I don't read that fast ;)
[02:23] <Ex-Cyber> Arnia: default handlers are inherited from shared-mime?
[02:23] <mvirkkil> Arnia: Well, at least I'm going to go travelling through eastern europe with my gf for a month this summer (I'm from scandinavia).
[02:24] <mvirkkil> Arnia: First summer vacation in many years, though.
[02:24] <Arnia> Ex-Cyber: No... hence the brain melt
[02:24] <Ex-Cyber> Arnia: ah, missed that
[02:25] <Arnia> Ex-Cyber: I'm not sure where they're defined actually, or by whom
[02:25] <Arnia> mvirkkil: Nice... I'm going to be working in Ipswich for a month this summer :p BT Research (sighs*
[02:25] <thoreauputic> Arnia: shady guys in smoke-filled back rooms at gnome.org ;-)
[02:25] <jobezone> thoreauputic, I had some problems installing and runing official gnome, but guess what, I installed epyphany from synaptic, and it can open 20+ tabs and be responsive!
[02:25] <Arnia> It will be fun, but the logistics of working there are horrible
[02:26] <Arnia> epiphany is the official Gnome web browser project
[02:26] <thoreauputic> jobezone: heh - whatever works, then:)  The joys of open source choice ... !
[02:26] <Arnia> anyway... I'm off to bed
[02:26] <Arnia> Its way past my bed-time
[02:27] <whiskers> dockane, i don't know...i will try to open oo writer
[02:28] <whiskers> dockane, nope it is not crashing here..it comes up and displays all the menus....but it is out of date
[02:28] <HiddenWolf>  daniels, will there be any way to run composite and glx at the same time?
[02:28] <whiskers> it seems to be the old 1.1.3
[02:28] <jobezone> thoreauputic, :)
[02:28] <Pizbit> HiddenWolf: NVIDIA card?
[02:29] <whiskers> i think there is a 1.9.6
[02:29] <HiddenWolf> pizbit: yup
[02:29] <Pizbit> Add this line to the video card section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf , personally I find it tempramental! Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"
[02:30] <HiddenWolf> temperamental how?
[02:30] <AgentM> Hello, does anybody know if the new Ubuntu Version will be released today?
[02:31] <thoreauputic> AgentM: Friday I believe
[02:31] <Pizbit> HiddenWolf: As in it may or may not make X die a horrible death.
[02:31] <whiskers> dockane, i do see a oo 1.,9.7 in synaptic
[02:31] <whiskers> dockane, perhaps i should try to install it and see if it crashes
[02:31] <HiddenWolf> pizbit: I'll take pictues if it smokes. Promise
[02:31] <Pizbit> :D
[02:32] <Pizbit> HiddenWolf: Remember, the black smoke means it's working.
[02:32] <bluewheel> does anyone know where the document about esound / mp3 / mp4's is ?
[02:32] <AgentM> thoreauputic: Thank you, but why so late? Today is the 5.04. ;)
[02:32] <bluewheel> i saw it a while ago on the new
[02:32] <HiddenWolf> pizbit: cool
[02:32] <thoreauputic> AgentM: heheh - if this was Debian, you'd be waiting 'til next year at least ;-)
[02:33] <Pizbit> AgentM: I'm not sure, people in here have spent much time bandying about April 6, but the wiki says APril 8
[02:33] <thoreauputic> AgentM: that's  2005  04 BTW (April o5)
[02:34] <whiskers> dockane, i will try to install oo 1.9.7 and see if it crashes
[02:34] <brrrt> hello all :)
[02:35] <AgentM> thoreauputic: That cannot be true, because the last release is named 4.10 ;) 2010? I don't think so! :)
[02:35] <darren_> Does anyone have the address of the Marillat repository?
[02:35] <brrrt> i need some help configuring my via82xx onboard sound @:-]  please!
[02:36] <Pizbit> darren_: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[02:36] <thoreauputic> AgentM: 2004  10
[02:36] <thoreauputic> AgentM: think about it
[02:36] <HiddenWolf> Yay, working xorg/composite/renderaccel/glx
[02:36] <rmb> hi
[02:36] <AgentM> thoreauputic: Ok, my mistake, now I've got it
[02:36] <brrrt> darr: #deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[02:36] <thoreauputic> AgentM: :)
[02:36] <Ex-Cyber> HiddenWolf: what hardware?
[02:37] <HiddenWolf> Ex-Cyber: amd64 running x86 and 6600gt
[02:37] <Sp4rKy> hi
[02:37] <whiskers> dockane, it seems to be difficult to install...it wants gcc4.0 and i am using gcc3.3
[02:37] <AgentM> What do you think about the RC of Ubuntu 5.04? Is it very buggy?
[02:37] <Sp4rKy> i have installed hoary on laptop but i haven't acpi functionnality
[02:37] <HiddenWolf> AgentM: rock-solid
[02:37] <Sp4rKy> could you help me ?
[02:38] <brrrt> darren_: but i dont know if this is a good idea in ubuntu
[02:38] <HiddenWolf> Sp4rKy, file a bug againt acpi for your laptop type
[02:38] <thoreauputic> AgentM: judging by the lack of problems reported here, solid
[02:38] <brrrt> darren_: have you tried multiverse ?
[02:39] <AgentM> What what will be the difference to the stable version?
[02:39] <Sp4rKy> Hidden wolf, how ?
[02:39] <whiskers> dockane, i am not sure why oo wants gcc4
[02:39] <thoreauputic> AgentM: xorg, gnome 2.10...
[02:39] <darren_> brrrt, what's the address for multiverse?
[02:40] <whiskers> dockane, i thought the deb files in synaptic were already compiled
[02:40] <thoreauputic> AgentM: lots of updated apps, xfce4.2 available in the repos... blah blah etc etc
[02:41] <whiskers> i sure hope the gcc4 stuff can use the gcc3.3 dev stuff....because i don't see gcc4dev stuff
[02:41] <AgentM> thoreauputic: sorry, on my mind was the difference to the release candidate
[02:42] <darren_> brrrt, ?
[02:42] <thoreauputic> AgentM: well, given that the release candidate was only a few days ago, not much
[02:42] <dockane> whiskers, got it running after the several tries.
[02:42] <whiskers> dockane, ok good...which version...look at help column
[02:43] <thoreauputic> AgentM: and of course a dist-upgrade after Friday gets you the final Hoary
[02:43] <dockane> whiskers, 1.1.3
[02:43] <AgentM> thoreauputic: So, I think I start downloading the RC :) thank you!
[02:43] <whiskers> dockane, yes that one is working here too
[02:43] <brrrt> darren_: like this: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[02:44] <brrrt> darren_: deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[02:44] <Pizbit> thoreauputic: So it is the 8th like the wiki says and not the 6th like so many people have been telling me? Bah.
[02:44] <darren_> brrrt, what about marillat? I need a package from there
[02:44] <dockane> whiskers, either the spash screen or the OOo window froze
[02:44] <dockane> *splash
[02:45] <brrrt> darran_: i dont know if it works with ubuntu as, marrillat is debian unstable (sid)
[02:45] <Pizbit> brrrt: It works fine
[02:45] <selinium_> thoreauputic: it worked like a dream. Cheers!
[02:45] <thoreauputic> Pizbit: sabdfl wanted 6th :) It was delayed a couple of days I think
[02:45] <darren_> Marillat does work, I've used it before
[02:45] <brrrt> kewl
[02:45] <darren_> I'm having trouble finding the address though...
[02:45] <Pizbit> brrrt: And you put testing in not unstable.
[02:45] <thoreauputic> selinium_: sorry? Waht worked?
[02:46] <Pizbit> darren_: I've already told you
[02:46] <whiskers> dockane, what did you type let me try to repeat it
[02:46] <thoreauputic> selinium_: refresh my memory?
[02:46] <Pizbit> darren_: So because you didn't read, you can try your luck: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:46] <darren_> Ahh, don't worry... I founf the package on multiverse
[02:46] <darren_> Thanks
[02:46] <Sp4rKy> nobody for my acpi issue?
[02:46] <selinium_> the sudo run ~/.ICEauthority thing from earlier, I didn't get a chance to say thanks! :)
[02:46] <brrrt> darran_: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[02:46] <thoreauputic> selinium_: ah IC
[02:46] <thoreauputic> selinium_: you're welcome :)
[02:47] <thoreauputic> sudo rm I think ?
[02:47] <brrrt> darren_: this should be the right line for your sources.list
[02:48] <brrrt> darren_: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[02:48] <dockane> whiskers, mmhh what information do you need ? all i did was i tried to start the writer from OOo through Gnome -> Applications -> OOo
[02:48] <whiskers> dockane, strange it works here...did you type anything to make it crash
[02:49] <dockane> whiskers, no it just didnt come up.
[02:50] <whiskers> dockane, hmm...i installed oo2 just a few minutes ago...but when i load oowriter from gnome it still comes up with 1.1.3
[02:50] <darren_> This isn't an Ubuntu question but does anyone know of a bittorrent client other than Azureus?
[02:51] <dockane> whiskers, 1.1.3 is my version, too. gnome told me the  window was no reacting
[02:51] <dockane> whiskers, waited 2 min or so
[02:51] <Pizbit> whiskers: alt+f2 and run oowriter2
[02:51] <whiskers> dockane, i don't see that problem....maybe there was a glitch in your data files
[02:51] <whiskers> dockane, ha ha..oo2 if funny...there is a red x in 1.1
[02:52] <whiskers> dockane, but the fonts are very tiny in oo2...i can't read the menus
[02:52] <SiRrUs> good morning
[02:52] <dockane> whiskers, do not have enough df to install OOo2
[02:53] <Pizbit> dockane: Run: sudo apt-get clean ?
[02:53] <Pizbit> (Gets rid of the downloaded packages)
[02:54] <ubuntu> why doesn't this distribution work?
[02:54] <whiskers> dockane, oh...well you cannot read the menus in oo2 anyway
[02:54] <Pizbit> ubuntu: How're you today troll?
[02:54] <ubuntu> i mean, sure, i'm on irc, but other things crash.
[02:54] <whiskers> dockane, the fonts are too tiny
[02:54] <dockane> Pizbit, did already
[02:54] <whiskers> dockane, unless there is some way to change them
[02:54] <ubuntu> Pizbit: I'm're good.
[02:54] <dockane> whiskers, i am pretty happy with OOo1.1.3.
[02:55] <Pizbit> whiskers: Menu fonts are fine here:)
[02:55] <whiskers> Pizbit, they are very tiny here.
[02:55] <whiskers> Pizbit, unless there is some way to change them
[02:55] <Pizbit> Dunno, they look like the standard fonts ecery other application uses.
[02:55] <ubuntu> you're not giving me any satisfaction out of my trolling exercise.
[02:56] <ubuntu> i demand action, and i demand it now.
[02:56] <Pizbit> ubuntu: Else you'll go on strike?
[02:56] <whiskers> Pizbit, i don't know i am not an expert but they look about 8 pitch
[02:56] <whiskers> Pizbit, it is much nicer to use 14 pitch
[02:57] <ubuntu> shutup you gay.
[02:57] <chefkoch-2oo4> i am coming from gentoo and want to change to ubuntu amd64.
[02:57] <chefkoch-2oo4> can you please tell me witch xorg version is included?
[02:58] <whiskers> Pizbit, but anyway both 1.1.3 and 2.0 seem to be working
[02:58] <waxhead> nite all
[02:58] <skraaningsulv> i booted into kde, but everything looks so big... text, windows, icons. but have normal screen resolution(it says 1600X1200).  cant find any place to adjust DPI
[02:58] <Pizbit> chefkoch-2oo4: 6.8.2-5.1
[02:58] <ubuntu> man, i thought i'd seen gay but chefkoch-2oo4, you're just weird.
[02:58] <ubuntu> skraaningsulv, i think it's because ubuntu sucks.
[02:58] <Pizbit> skraaningsulv: chefkoch-2oo4: ignore the troll:)
[02:59] <chefkoch-2oo4> thats very cool... had problems with 6.8.0.
[02:59] <ubuntu> i'm using ubuntu right now, i can tell that it sucks from here.
[02:59] <ubuntu> chefkoch-2oo4, of course you did.
[02:59] <chefkoch-2oo4> gentoo gives me the actual one
[02:59] <ubuntu> so use gentoo.
[02:59] <ubuntu> good choice.
[02:59] <darren_> This isn't an Ubuntu question but does anyone know of a bittorrent client other than Azureus?
[02:59] <SiRrUs> hmmm see we have another happy camper
[02:59] <chefkoch-2oo4> and what nvidia driver are distributed by ubuntu
[02:59] <chefkoch-2oo4> the 7xxx driver?
[03:00] <jobezone> darren_: gnome-btdownload
[03:00] <ubuntu> i don't distribute any drivers.
[03:00] <ubuntu> or bittorrent clients.
[03:00] <ubuntu> abc.
[03:00] <Pizbit> chefkoch-2oo4: Nah, the last in 6xxx iirc
[03:00] <crimsun> chefkoch-2oo4: officially in Hoary, 1.0-7174
[03:00] <ubuntu> use it in wine
[03:00] <ubuntu> it's your best chance.
[03:00] <jobezone> darren_: or similar. there's also bittornado, but it's ugly
[03:00] <chefkoch-2oo4> ok, than i will give it a try.
[03:00] <ubuntu> anything, basically, that's going to work on ubuntu isn't worth having.
[03:01] <chefkoch-2oo4> the compiling times in gentoo are too long for a workin peaople ;-)
[03:01] <darren_> jobezone, I'm using the gnome one but I wanted one that would have it all under one window like Azureus
[03:01] <SiRrUs> :)
[03:01] <kzm> Hi everybody
[03:01] <kzm> Is anybody else having problem with X lagging?
[03:01] <crimsun> SiRrUs: apparently your distro ain't worth jack until it attracts trolls :P
[03:01] <ubuntu> the ops! the opo!
[03:01] <SiRrUs> good idea ;)
[03:01] <ubuntu> i'm done for!
[03:01] <chefkoch-2oo4> keep on talking. cu...
[03:01] <kzm> Every now and then, X seems to hang for a sec or two.
[03:01] <ubuntu> cu...ban cigar?
[03:02] <SiRrUs> crimsun i am thinking your right :)
[03:02] <blueyed> "configure: error: Can't find X includes." Is there a package that includes the "X includes"?
[03:02] <kzm> blueyed: xlib-dev or something?
[03:02] <Pizbit> blueyed: xlibs-dev ?
[03:03] <ubuntu> SiRrUs, you're not thinking, and you don't have the right to think, either, based on previous commentary you've provided us with.
[03:03] <xMaximex> hi !
[03:03] <skraaningsulv> so how do i get normal size on my desktop things? everything went so big after starting with kde
[03:03] <crimsun> blueyed: Hoary uses libx11-dev
[03:03] <crimsun> blueyed: Warty uses xlibs-dev
[03:03] <xMaximex> i got a question .. soundblaster live is not supported ?
[03:03] <ubuntu> i want my 344 bytes back
[03:03] <crimsun> xMaximex: it is supported
[03:03] <blueyed> Thanks everyone!
[03:03] <Pizbit> xMaximex: That's a statement, not a question.
[03:03] <ubuntu> blueyed, welcome.
[03:03] <ubuntu> Pizbit, if you can't answer, don't contribute.
[03:03] <trygvebw> Hi, anyone here with a Epson Stylus Photo 9xx printer? That can print directly on CD's?
[03:03] <ubuntu> i'm going to contact the ops soon.
[03:04] <oXeN> anyone know how to make gaim flash in the task bar with there is a message?
[03:04] <Pizbit> ubuntu: Oh shush, you're not even a good troll.
[03:04] <roo_> whats all this ops business? :/
[03:04] <Pizbit> oXeN: Yep, 2 secs
[03:04] <ubuntu> my ego is destroyed.
[03:04] <ubuntu> back to the urine-stinking corner for me.
[03:04] <xMaximex> it is a question, i want to know if i have to do something to make it work, or if its not supported
[03:04] <crimsun> xMaximex: what sort of problems are you having?
[03:04] <Pizbit> oXeN: Enable the 'System Tray Icon' and then tick the only option it has:)
[03:05] <xMaximex> crimsun, my sb live is not detected in the device manager
[03:05] <crimsun> xMaximex: ok, cat /proc/asound/modules
[03:05] <xMaximex> only my onboard sound card
[03:05] <ubuntu> Pizbit, i am not a good troll, but neither are you so go to hell and your mum.
[03:05] <dockane> ok ... now i need to compile myself. found a configure-thinkpad tool which is only available as source code from sourceforge. the readme files explains how to compile (sound simple). is there anyhting what can disturb my packetmanagement or something else ?
[03:05] <oXeN> Pizbit: enable the system tray icon? Is this an option in Gaim?
[03:05] <xMaximex> crimsun, im under windows right no
[03:05] <ubuntu> compile yourself?
[03:05] <ubuntu> what?
[03:05] <Pizbit> oXeN: Yeah, in the plugins section
[03:05] <crimsun> xMaximex: hmm, that's not going to help much ;)
[03:05] <xMaximex> hehe
[03:05] <whiskers> well i am going to have to go figure if i can use gcc4 to compile anything
[03:05] <crimsun> xMaximex: but yes, it is supported
[03:05] <Bazzi> dockane thats always possible ;p
[03:06] <xMaximex> crimsun, okay. Do i have to download any driver ?
[03:06] <oXeN> Pizbit: Hide new messages until tray icon is clicked?
[03:06] <Pizbit> oXeN: Yeah
[03:06] <ubuntu> Great Seller. Highly Recommended! A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[03:06] <xMaximex> and for my canon i560 ?
[03:06] <dockane> Bazzi, ok i know that. but is there something i explicitly have to take care for ?
[03:06] <roo_> why arent there any Ops in here?
[03:06] <Bazzi> dockane No.
[03:06] <Pizbit> oXeN: Only problem is that if you have your away setup to automatically send a message when you're away, the message doesn't get sent.
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[03:06] <Bazzi> dockane I suppose you have that build-essential package?
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[03:07] <crimsun> xMaximex: can't speak for the canon, but your sblive depends on whether it's a dell
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[03:07] <xMaximex> a dell ?
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[03:07] <fabbione> please stopp
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[03:07] <crimsun> xMaximex: what sort of computer are you using?
[03:07] <ubuntu> 
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[03:07] <gordonjcp> fabbione: the very man
[03:07] <dockane> Bazzi, dont know yet. all i understand is : take code -> get binaries
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[03:07] <xMaximex> crimsun, athlon xp .. asus MB
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[03:07] <Bazzi> dockane No ;)
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[03:07] <oXeN> Pizbit: yeah my only problem now is that when the sound is down I dont know if a message came in, no flashing, no color changes nothing.
[03:07] <xMaximex> not a brand computer like hp or dell
[03:07] <kzm> (thanks)
[03:08] <kain> fabbione, thanks
[03:08] <Pizbit> oXeN: It should flash (Well, I'm pretty sure that's the flashy option:))
[03:08] <crimsun> xMaximex: ah, ok.
[03:08] <gordonjcp> fabbione: I tried your NVidia drivers, with my Riva TNT2, but still got a black screen
[03:08] <crimsun> xMaximex: well troubleshooting is easier when you're actually running Ubuntu ;)
[03:08] <xMaximex> crimsun, yeah i know .. im just passing .. i have to go to work anyway
[03:09] <dockane> Bazzi, no in the meaning i am wrong or no in context of essentails ?
[03:09] <xMaximex> ill come back under ubuntu in the evening
[03:09] <crimsun> xMaximex: ok
[03:09] <xMaximex> thansk anyway
[03:09] <dockane> hi crimsun
[03:10] <crimsun> hi dockane
[03:10] <Bazzi> dockane no in the meaning of code->binary is often just a dream ;-)
[03:10] <dockane> crimsun, thnx for looking into my sound config last time. after pulling up volumes of all the devices you gave me it worked fine
[03:11] <crimsun> gordonjcp: ok, during system boot, you should be able to identify what sort of video memory your card has
[03:11] <crimsun> dockane: np
[03:11] <whiskers> wow this is really confusing
[03:11] <crimsun> gordonjcp: it will either be "SGRAM" or "SDRAM"
[03:12] <whiskers> oo2 requires gcc4 and when you go to try to compile with gcc4 freemat requires g77 and g77 3.4 requires gcc 3.4
[03:12] <whiskers> this is very confusing
[03:12] <roo_> whiskers, you're compiling oo2 from source?
[03:12] <Bazzi> whiskers why are you compiling oo2 yourself?
[03:12] <crimsun> whiskers: Hoary has OO.o2 1.9.79.2
[03:12] <dockane> crimsun, if you have got any influence to that : its kind fo confusing for a linux noob like me that such a lot devices must be engaged to get the mic working
[03:12] <whiskers> roo_, no i installed oo2 and it required gcc4 for some reason
[03:12] <Pizbit> whiskers: Why not grab the binaries?
[03:12] <whiskers> Pizbit, i did
[03:13] <whiskers> Pizbit, but it required gcc4
[03:13] <Pizbit> Depends: openoffice.org2-core (>> 1.9.76), openoffice.org2-writer, openoffice.org2-calc, openoffice.org2-impress, openoffice.org2-draw, openoffice.org2-math
[03:13] <Archer> anyone know where i can find "creative audigy 2 ZA" driver for linux?
[03:13] <whiskers> Pizbit, so i installed gcc4 instead of gcc3.3
[03:13] <Archer> "creative Audigy2 ZS"
[03:13] <roo_> whiskers, hmm, im not getting that dep..
[03:13] <whiskers> Pizbit, but when i try to compile freemat it needs g77
[03:13] <whiskers> libs
[03:14] <whiskers> so i went to get g77 libs and it requires gcc3.4
[03:14] <whiskers> this is very confusing
[03:14] <Pizbit> whiskers: So, uh, what package are you trying to install to get OOo2?
[03:14] <gordonjcp> crimsun: I'm at work just now, I can't really do much with it since it's 30-odd miles away
[03:14] <crimsun> Archer: it's in the 'alsa-source' package in Hoary universe; the driver is called snd-ca0106
[03:14] <whiskers> Pizbit, i got oo2 but it required gcc4 for some reason
[03:14] <whiskers> Pizbit, i don't know why
[03:14] <Pizbit> whiskers: Sounds like something/one has messed up somewhere along the line *g*
[03:15] <Archer> crimsun: thanks, but how do i get that? i just touched the OS first time 1 hour ago
[03:15] <crimsun> whiskers: you don't actually need gcc-4.0 itself installed, only libgcc1 and libstdc++6 from gcc 4.0
[03:15] <whiskers> Pizbit, any now i have gcc3.3,gcc3.4, and gcc4 this is very confusing
[03:15] <thoreauputic> whiskers: "when you hear hoofbeats, think of horses, not zebras"
[03:15] <crimsun> whiskers: did you ,,apt-get install openoffice.org2'' ?
[03:15] <roo_> whiskers, gcc4 is still unstable..
[03:16] <whiskers> crimsun, no i used synaptic
[03:16] <crimsun> whiskers: then it should have installed fine
[03:16] <Pizbit> thoreauputic: Never know, could be antelopes!:D
[03:16] <whiskers> crimsun, well i am going to have to sort out this confusion and set some simlinks
[03:16] <thoreauputic> Pizbit: heh - or buffalo!
[03:16] <crimsun> Archer: enable universe, then apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source
[03:16] <whiskers> crimsun, yes it did install fine but required gcc4
[03:16] <roo_> whiskers, no, i wouldnt advice symlinking anything to do with gcc. you'll bork your toolchain most likely.
[03:16] <crimsun> whiskers: you don't have to symlink anything
[03:16] <whiskers> roo_, well i need to compile freemat
[03:17] <jacquesmerde> hey kids
[03:17] <Archer> crimsun: whats universe?
[03:17] <dockane> which c compiler do i need to get binaries from a source code ?
[03:17] <thoreauputic> Archer: it's really really really BIG
[03:18] <thoreauputic> :)
[03:18] <Archer> :)
[03:18] <Archer> lol
[03:18] <crimsun> Archer: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[03:18] <dockane> "configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH"
[03:18] <crimsun> dockane: apt-get install build-essential
[03:18] <thoreauputic> Archer: it's a repository ;)
[03:18] <Archer> oh, ok
[03:19] <Archer> hmm.... let me get the website open first
[03:19] <crimsun> whiskers: what $arch are you on?
[03:20] <kzm> So, when is Hoary going to be released, again?
[03:20] <crimsun> whiskers: I just installed openoffice.org2 on a clean Hoary system without any problems
[03:20] <crimsun> kzm: 8 Abril
[03:20] <kzm> Heh...well, let's see if the bugs will be worked out by then.
[03:21] <crimsun> kzm: please check if the bugs are in bugzilla/malone, and if not, update them
[03:21] <Archer> crimsun: do i have to download everything?
[03:21] <whiskers> crimsun, i am on hoary...oo2 installed fine but screwed up my gcc system
[03:21] <crimsun> Archer: just those packages I said
[03:22] <crimsun> whiskers: it absolutely must not do that and didn't do that here
[03:22] <whiskers> crimsun, i will fix it..i am working on it now
[03:22] <whiskers> crimsun, strange you did not get a message to install gcc4 before you got oo2
[03:22] <whiskers> crimsun, i did
[03:23] <whiskers> crimsun, ok i finally set all the symlinks where i need them and got a good configure on freemat ...let me see if it will compile
[03:23] <dockane> No package 'libgnomeui-2.0' found is the result of my ./config. does that mean i do have to install it or just that it was not found where it should be ?
[03:24] <Bazzi> dockane install it ;)
[03:24] <dockane> ok
[03:24] <Bazzi> dockane maybe you have to install the -dev version
[03:24] <crimsun> dockane: what program are you trying to compile?
[03:24] <dockane> thinkpad-configure
[03:25] <dockane> crimsun, thinkpad-configure
[03:25] <crimsun> dockane: hmm, does it have another name, like tpctl?
[03:27] <thoreauputic> dockane: apt-cache show tpctl  << is that what you want ?
[03:27] <dockane> crimsun, think so. sourceforge says " Project: tpctl: File List "
[03:27] <thoreauputic> dockane: it's in the repos then
[03:27] <dockane> thoreauputic, thnx will try it
[03:28] <crimsun> dockane: enable universe and apt-get install tpctl :)
[03:29] <dockane> mmhh apt-get mixes languages. its asks in german but expects [Y/n] 
[03:29] <crimsun> dockane: it's a good idea to search first ;)
[03:29] <jacquesmerde> does ubuntu work well with usb midi controllors for very basic sequencing? does the ever-so-slight bloat of ubuntu's user-friendliness create latency problems?
[03:29] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: user-friendliness is orthogonal to latency issues.
[03:30] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: in fact, the kernel has additional patches applied like user mlocking that assist jackd
[03:30] <whiskers> how long does it take to compile freemat
[03:30] <whiskers> this is taking forever
[03:30] <whiskers> worse than gimpshop
[03:31] <Archer> crimsun: (i'm using Hoary-rc), i go to system/administration/synaptic Package manager.  Then i go to Settings/repositories, but i can't seems to find Universe...
[03:31] <roo_> whiskers, use gentoo, THEN complain about compile times :p
[03:31] <whiskers> roo_, no...my hard disk is too small for gentoo
[03:31] <invictus> when using wireless in hoary, is it set to automatic change to another network if the signal is low?
[03:31] <crimsun> Archer: deb ... universe
[03:31] <crimsun> Archer: check that box
[03:32] <whiskers> roo_,  i don't like the wd1200 ..it did not even last 1 year
[03:32] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, so ubuntu would be a good midi distro? would it be easy to set up my usb midi controller? i'm finding it hard work getting it up and running on arch...
[03:32] <whiskers> roo_, so i am trying a wd 40gig
[03:32] <whiskers> roo_, and it is too small for gentoo
[03:32] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: it's no more difficult than Debian
[03:32] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: you'll want to consult the midi pages on alsa.opensrc.org
[03:32] <Archer> crimsun: deb? which box?
[03:32] <roo_> whiskers, wtf? i have a 3gb parition with gentoo on it.
[03:32] <bnolte> I am using hoary rc1 and the my usb (hewlett-packard) keyboard will not work
[03:32] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, i've never used debian. though loved ubuntu when i've used it (despite my one problem, which may have been fixed by now)
[03:33] <crimsun> Archer: I think it's the 3rd one from the top
[03:33] <crimsun> Archer: scroll over to the right and make sure it reads universe
[03:33] <whiskers> roo_, hah...my wd1200 had 120gigs and i was already up to 80  gigs before the head crashed
[03:33] <whiskers> roo_, and this is only a 40 gig
[03:34] <bnolte> I am using hoary rc1 and the my usb (hewlett-packard) keyboard will not work
[03:34] <roo_> whiskers, erm, ok. im telling u, 3gb is enough for gentoo unless u did something VERY wrong
[03:34] <Archer> crimsun: Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" (Source)
[03:34] <whiskers> roo_, and i don't need all that gentoo stuff
[03:34] <whiskers> roo_, i am only going to put the ubuntu basics on this hoary
[03:34] <roo_> whiskers, you could do that with gentoo, but whatever.
[03:35] <crimsun> bnolte: are any options in bios enabled like "legacy keyboard"?
[03:35] <jacquesmerde> why IS it that dist-upgrade && upgrade && dist-upgrade kept giving me more upgrades on each one of those commands? was that a bug or a feature? does it still happen with ubuntu?
[03:35] <Archer> crimsun: maybe if i send you a screenshot of the synaptic?
[03:35] <thoreauputic> roo_: a collection of videos and music can add up fast though :)
[03:35] <bnolte> yes
[03:35] <crimsun> Archer: let me start it myself
[03:35] <crimsun> bnolte: and what happens when you disable such option(s)?
[03:35] <roo_> thoreauputic, keep data like that on a seperate partition. my /home is a sep partition <--- good advice
[03:35] <bnolte> i have the usblegacy enabled my mouse "usb also works
[03:36] <bnolte> It still doesnt work
[03:36] <xMaximex> should I install nvidia drivers from nvidia website ? or install nvidia-glx package ?
[03:36] <bnolte> it works till i get to hotplug
[03:36] <tritium> xMaximex, use the ubuntu packages
[03:36] <apokryphos> xMaximex: nvidia-glx packagte should be fine
[03:36] <crimsun> bnolte: have you hardcoded anything into /etc/modprobe.{conf,d/*} ?
[03:36] <bnolte> no
[03:36] <xMaximex> apokryphos, where are they ?
[03:36] <xMaximex> ok
[03:36] <thoreauputic> roo_: of course - I just meant 3Gig won't hold much on its own :)
[03:36] <apokryphos> xMaximex: in the repositories.
[03:36] <bnolte> It works with dicover
[03:36] <bnolte> but that takes some doing to configure
[03:36] <whiskers> how do you permanently set the FreeMat environment variable
[03:37] <whiskers> i got a good compile
[03:37] <tritium> xMaximex, you also need linux-restricted-modules to match your kernel
[03:37] <roo_> thoreauputic, the OS and applications together, i dunno wft whiskers is doing if 40gb isnt enough for OS and apps.. :/
[03:37] <bnolte> the hub is fine because i plug the mouse into the keyboard
[03:37] <xMaximex> tritium, it install them at the same time
[03:37] <Archer> crimsun:???
[03:37] <bnolte> and the keyboard is recognized when i log into device manager
[03:37] <tritium> xMaximex, good
[03:38] <crimsun> bnolte: when was the last time you updated && dist-upgraded?
[03:38] <whiskers> ok it works but i don't know how to use it
[03:38] <crimsun> Archer: sec
[03:38] <xMaximex> but, do I need to specify a driver in xorg.conf ?
[03:38] <apokryphos> xMaximex: yes. nvidia
[03:38] <crimsun> Archer: I'm on a slow computer; gksudo synaptic takes a minute or two
[03:38] <thoreauputic> roo_: emerge  <everything available> , perhaps ? *grin*
[03:38] <tritium> xMaximex, after installing nvidia-glx, you'll run sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[03:38] <Archer> crimsun: Thanks and sorry for the trouble.... noob on linux
[03:38] <roo_> thoreauputic, possibly.. :o
[03:39] <kzm> I'm not able to log onto Ubuntu bugzilla forums, although I found somebody else with my problem in the forums....
[03:39] <crimsun> Archer: ok. In Settings>Repositories, scroll over to the right using the horizontal scrollbar until you find the line(s) for universe
[03:39] <kzm> It seems Xorg is consuming all activity on my computer for a second or so at irregular intervals.
[03:39] <bnolte> to add a driver to xorg you should be able to do a dpkg-reconfigure xorg
[03:39] <bnolte> or xorg-server
[03:39] <Nermal> brb
[03:39] <crimsun> Archer: then scroll back over to the left and check both boxes (deb, deb-src)
[03:40] <thoreauputic> bnolte: xserver-xorg
[03:40] <bnolte> correct
[03:40] <nmsa> regards !
[03:40] <kzm> I notice there's a new nvidia driver out, perhaps I can restart X and see what happens then.
[03:40] <whiskers> what is a quick way to use freemat
[03:40] <bnolte> "note that still doesnt fix my usb keyboard
[03:40] <whiskers> i don't know how to use it
[03:40] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell xMaximex ubudriver
[03:40] <Pyre> xMaximex: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:40] <bnolte> I think it is an issue spicific to the keyboard
[03:40] <Archer> crimsun: i dont see a horizontal scroll bar
[03:40] <apokryphos> xMaximex: more information there if you need it.
[03:40] <xMaximex> thanks
[03:41] <kzm> Is there any way to send email or otherwise contact people from the Ubuntu forums?  Without loggin in yourself?
[03:41] <crimsun> Archer: in the top right pane where the Packages are listed?
[03:41] <tritium> whiskers, freemat isn't available as a package.  Have you tried octave?
[03:42] <blueyed> I've installed kdebase and now have Krusader as default browser for xchat (Open in browser). Why? It's this firefox in System > Preferred apps..
[03:42] <blueyed> s/this/still/
[03:42] <Archer> crimsun: top right pane? the "software updates"??
[03:42] <crimsun> Archer: yes
[03:43] <whiskers> i know how to temporarily set the env variable for FreeMat
[03:43] <whiskers> but how do you permanently set it
[03:43] <crimsun> Archer: in the Repositories window, the horizontal slider
[03:43] <Archer> I do have a long list but no horizontal slider
[03:43] <whiskers> i don't see /etc/env.d in hoary
[03:44] <crimsun> Archer: hmm, ok. Do you see two universe entries?
[03:44] <cadetmar> hello
[03:44] <Archer> the "bold" universe?
[03:44] <Archer> crimsun: let me look around for it first
[03:44] <quiet> how can i disable the way that it opens a new window for each folder??
[03:44] <thoreauputic> blueyed: change it in settings >> lists >> url handlers (in xchat)
[03:44] <quiet> that wasn't cool in windows 9x and it's still not cool..
[03:45] <CarlK> 6 week old hoary install, when I try to mount a usb memory card reader, 100% of the time I have to issue the mount command twice, with at least a few (2?) seconds between them.  The first tiem I get: + mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1/; mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist, the 2nd time it works.
[03:46] <crimsun> CarlK: use pmount
[03:46] <Archer> crimsun: nope, no universe
[03:46] <tritium> whiskers, did you take a look at octave?
[03:46] <crimsun> Archer: join #flood and paste your /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:47] <crimsun> CarlK: pmount /dev/sda1 something
[03:47] <crimsun> CarlK: it should appear as /media/something
[03:47] <xMaximex> another thing .. when i open XMMS, load a mp3 file, and then press play, it doesn't play anything and XMMS looks "freezed"
[03:47] <xMaximex> i tried as root and as a normal user
[03:47] <crimsun> xMaximex: tell xmms to use the esound output plugin
[03:48] <jacquesmerde> why IS it that dist-upgrade && upgrade && dist-upgrade kept giving me more upgrades on each one of those commands? was that a bug or a feature? does it still happen with ubuntu?
[03:48] <xMaximex> crimsun, I tried all the output plugin
[03:48] <CarlK> crimsun - any idea why mount is failing?
[03:48] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: come again?
[03:48] <crimsun> CarlK: there are some issues with usb storage devices
[03:48] <Archer> crimsun: paste done
[03:48] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: why would you do that anyway?
[03:49] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, you dont know what i mean?
[03:49] <CarlK> crimsun - ok, as long as someone knows about it - thanks
[03:49] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, well, not all at once obviously...but over a few days to keep my system up to date
[03:49] <whiskers> tritium, what is octave
[03:49] <whiskers> tritium, i am still trying to figure out how to use freemat
[03:49] <jacquesmerde> it ended up breaking aptitude and synaptic
[03:49] <crimsun> Archer: # deb http://sg.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe  <-- remove the '#'
[03:49] <tritium> whiskers, it's a Matlab clone, similar to freemat, which you appear to be wanting to try
[03:49] <whiskers> tritium, for solving non-linear stochastic partial differential equations
[03:50] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: umm - because there have been additions to the list?
[03:50] <Archer> crimsun: in the file?
[03:50] <whiskers> tritium, does octave solve those
[03:50] <tritium> whiskers, octave does nearly anything that matlab can
[03:50] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: yes, that's normal
[03:50] <crimsun> Archer: yes
[03:50] <whiskers> tritium, is it freeware
[03:50] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, well, if you do it over the course of five minutes the same effect happens
[03:50] <tritium> whiskers, yes, and it's in universe
[03:50] <whiskers> tritium, sounds interesting
[03:50] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: you seem to be the only person to have seen this happen
[03:50] <whiskers> tritium, ok let me check it out
[03:50] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: over 5 minutes, no. Over several hours, yes.
[03:51] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, well i remember i wasnt the only person who broke apt and had to do an apt-get -f
[03:51] <Archer> crimsun: i can't delete the "#"
[03:51] <tritium> whiskers, I recommend octave2.1 over octave2.0
[03:51] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, over 5 minutes...yes!!!
[03:51] <crimsun> Archer: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:51] <tritium> whiskers, you'll also like octave-forge
[03:51] <jacquesmerde> i could dist-upgrade, upgrade, dist-upgrade, upgrade.....etc etc...each time upgrading mroe packages!!!!
[03:51] <whiskers> tritium, what is octave-forge
[03:51] <jacquesmerde> this was was around the time of array3 or array4 of hoary....
[03:51] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: well, did you actually download and _install_ those packages the first dist-upgrade?
[03:52] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: erm... I've been running ubuntu for months without seeing anything remotely like that happen
[03:52] <tritium> whiskers, apt-cache show octave-forge
[03:52] <Hofnarr> hi folks, does anybody know how i can get nautilus not to open new windows on selecting directories?
[03:52] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, yup
[03:52] <Archer> crimsun: i double clicked  computer/etc/apt/sources.list
[03:52] <Archer> crimsun: but i cannot "backspace" to delete the "#"
[03:52] <roo_> Hofnarr, disable "spatial mode" of nautilus. google it.
[03:52] <crimsun> Archer: open a Terminal
[03:52] <Hofnarr> roo_: thanks
[03:52] <crimsun> Archer: in the Terminal, type: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:53] <tritium> whiskers, incidentally, apt-cache search matlab would help you find software you may want to try
[03:53] <jacquesmerde> i asked this question back then, and most people knew what i was talking about, they either said they only ran upgrades, or only ran dist-upgrades to keep their system up to date  and admitted random combinations of the two were quite dangerous
[03:53] <jacquesmerde> or at least had very precarious results
[03:53] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: there is no precariousness
[03:53] <whiskers> tritium, ok i am getting octave...to check it out..but it is 160 megabytes of files
[03:53] <Archer> crimsun: save the file?
[03:53] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: the only difference between dist-upgrade and upgrade is that the former will add and/or remove packages to resolve dependencies
[03:54] <crimsun> Archer: yes, then apt-get update
[03:54] <tritium> whiskers, were you able to see octave-forge details?
[03:54] <whiskers> tritium, i got it...i don't know what it does
[03:54] <Dreamer3> ok, any new nvidia users here... still wrestling with the same problem... once I enter X I can't leave (by any means) to a usable console... just a blanks screen and blinking light on my display like it's in power saving mode... any ideas?
[03:54] <whiskers> tritium, i have to wait to see when it all gets here
[03:54] <tritium> apt-cache show octave-forge, whiskers
[03:54] <dockane> now it looks like i have to compile myself. i would like to use the following program : http://tpctl.sourceforge.net/configure-thinkpad.html. didnt find anything through synaptic search. DO i HAVE to compile or did i just missed a packet again ?
[03:55] <Archer> crimsun: how do i save?
[03:55] <crimsun> Archer: ctrl+x
[03:55] <whiskers> i just need to get the basics working on hoary.....i really don't need all those gentoo programs
[03:55] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, but it seemed dist-upgrade was adding packages, upgrade was then upgrade said packages, the dist-ugprade was adding the dependencies for said newly upgraded packages...
[03:55] <crimsun> dockane: enable the universe repository, update, and install tpctl
[03:55] <whiskers> i don't know how to even use them
[03:55] <whiskers> especially all the CAD stuff
[03:55] <Dreamer3> crimsun: different video card, different system, simliar problem... but i can't even get console with VT-switching...
[03:55] <jacquesmerde> i remember many people sharing this experience...though i'm too much of a newb to understand what was really going on
[03:55] <dockane> crimsun, did so. where do i find configure-thinkpad ?
[03:56] <tritium> whiskers, octave is not CAD, nor it Matlab
[03:56] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: erm, the only thing that might have triggered that was the camel/evolution stuff way back when, but even that would have stopped after 2 runs
[03:56] <exalted> a few days ago (before the RC release) i've installed Ubuntu from the preview CD, day by day i'm doing my updates, does it have any difference with the RC version or the current snapshots?
[03:56] <whiskers> tritium, yes good
[03:56] <whiskers> tritium, i don't need all that gentoo stuff i don't understand
[03:56] <chillywilly> I think they should've kept the april fools gdm theme :)
[03:56] <crimsun> dockane: dpkg -L tpctl|grep "/usr/bin/"
[03:56] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, you calling me a liar? you better step up, boy!
[03:57] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: of course I'm not calling you a liar. I'm saying _I_ have no experience whatsoever with whatever you're referring ot.
[03:57] <crimsun> to^
[03:57] <whiskers> tritium, i just need a basic math package to solve all the systems  of non-linear stochastic partial differential equations
[03:57] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: oh for heaven's sake, this is pointless
[03:57] <Dreamer3> anyone/
[03:57] <Dreamer3> *sighs*
[03:57] <tritium> whiskers, if you've used matlab before, you'll find octave very easy to use
[03:57] <dockane> crimsun, /usr/bin/tpctl
[03:57] <dockane> /usr/bin/ntpctl
[03:57] <Archer> crimsun: updating
[03:57] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, you wanna rumble with me too, boy? hold me back kids, i'm getting angry....
[03:57] <whiskers> tritium, no i have never seen matlab...it costs money
[03:58] <dockane> crimsun, as i expected the gui did not come with the apt-get package
[03:58] <crimsun> thoreauputic: apparently the trolls are out in force. 'tis a sign Ubuntu is a force to be reckoned with.
[03:58] <tritium> whiskers, yes, it does.  I just figured your university probably has a site-license
[03:58] <whiskers> tritium, i don't go to any university
[03:58] <MoneyCat> df
[03:58] <tritium> whiskers, ok, I thought perhaps you had used it in school, though
[03:59] <tritium> Of course, that's just an assumption.
[03:59] <Dreamer3> ah, there is a newer 7174 driver
[03:59] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, i assure you the phenomena i was describing did exist, but it sounds like its well and truly gone. sorry to labour the point. so is it now inoccuous to do upgrades and dist-upgrades at random interspersed periods?
[03:59] <whiskers> tritium, no...i have a math degree and we were not allowed to even use calculators
[03:59] <whiskers> tritium, we had to do everything by hand
[03:59] <keffo> hm, is there a way with some app (wget?) to get EVERYTHING in a dir? like wget www.page.com/*
[03:59] <keffo> or so?
[03:59] <tritium> whiskers, okay.
[03:59] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: mine runs every 30 minutes, and nothing breaks.
[03:59] <whiskers> tritium, so now i like to see free software that can make the job easier
[04:00] <Dreamer3> crimsun: is that an apt-way to get older nvidia-glx releases?
[04:00] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: FYI, the singular of phenomena is "phenomenon"
[04:00] <crimsun> Dreamer3: "easy" - not really
[04:00] <crimsun> Dreamer3: "doable" - yes
[04:00] <crimsun> Dreamer3: try 1.0-7174
[04:00] <tritium> whiskers, octave is good for numerical stuff, but not really that good for symbolic manipulation
[04:00] <Dreamer3> crimsun: you have any idea what might be up with my new setup?
[04:01] <Dreamer3> crimsun: yeah, i'm headed to 7174 now
[04:01] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, man. you're almost as anal as i am. sad thing is i actually study phenomenology
[04:01] <crimsun> what setup?
[04:01] <crimsun> Dreamer3: there seem to be issues with amd64
[04:01] <Archer> crimsun: open synaptic package manager and install "alsa-source"???
[04:01] <keffo> hm, is there a way with some app (wget?) to get EVERYTHING in a dir? like wget www.page.com/*
[04:01] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, you run a dist-upgrade && upgrade or upgrade && dist-upgrade?
[04:01] <crimsun> Dreamer3: I can't vouch for them, though, since I have no amd64
[04:01] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i might just have to give up nvidia dreams... i remember (on gentoo) years ago the drivers never worked exactly right...
[04:01] <crimsun> keffo: -r -np
[04:01] <tritium> Dreamer3, when we were working on it last night, I thought you said you already tried 7174
[04:01] <Dreamer3> crimsun: k7 here
[04:02] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: update && dist-upgrade
[04:02] <crimsun> Dreamer3: what motherboard?
[04:02] <Dreamer3> tritium: no, i don't recall anyone mentioning an experimental upgrade :)
[04:02] <snybole> Hello, how do I use apt-get? I'm trying to get xmms. apt-get xmms?
[04:02] <tritium> Dreamer3, it's in hoary
[04:02] <crimsun> snybole: apt-get install xmms
[04:02] <snybole> thanks
[04:02] <jacquesmerde> crimsun...i mean combinations of upgades AND dist-upgrades... so you never run (non dist-)upgrades?
[04:02] <Dreamer3> crimsun: biostar
[04:02] <crimsun> snybole: make sure you tell xmms to use the esound output if you're running gnome
[04:02] <Dreamer3> tritium: it's IN hoary now, what just today?
[04:03] <Archer> crimsun: open synaptic package manager and install "alsa-source"???
[04:03] <Dreamer3> tritium: i installed yesterday and i have 7167
[04:03] <tritium> Dreamer3, no, for a few days now
[04:03] <thoreauputic> snybole: you'll want a `sudo` in front odf that :)
[04:03] <crimsun> Archer: you need linux-headers-$(uname -r), build-essential, and alsa-source
[04:03] <thoreauputic> +of
[04:03] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: I use dist-upgrade right up until the stable release
[04:04] <crimsun> Dreamer3: which chipset?
[04:04] <Dreamer3> crimsun: oh, btw, thanks... recompiling alsa fixed that glitch :)
[04:04] <snybole> It's telling me that the package isn't "there" :)
[04:04] <Dreamer3> crimsun: via8233
[04:04] <crimsun> uh oh
[04:04] <thoreauputic> snybole: you need to enable repositories firat
[04:04] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i blacklisted via_agp so nvidia's agp stuff could work, but the problem occurs either way
[04:04] <thoreauputic> *first
[04:04] <crimsun> Dreamer3: those via8233s are a _world_ of trouble with athlons.
[04:04] <crimsun> Dreamer3: I know from firsthand experience.
[04:04] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, sorry to keep at you, but i'm trying to get my head around this....you run no straight upgrades until stable (only dist-upgrades) then do the exaxt opposite once a version hits stable?
[04:04] <crimsun> Dreamer3: try booting with noapic
[04:04] <Dreamer3> crimsun: how so?
[04:04] <keffo> crimsun, thanks.. so that will take everything in the dirs etc?
[04:05] <tritium> whiskers, let me know what you think of octave
[04:05] <snybole> thoreauputic: I'm pretty new to debian etc, what did you mean by that :)
[04:05] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: pretty much
[04:05] <crimsun> keffo: yes. Read the wget man page for more details.
[04:05] <whiskers> tritium, ok it is in...how do you run it
[04:05] <Dreamer3> crimsun: my usb subsystem kept crashing until i flashed the bios :)
[04:05] <thoreauputic> snybole: actually, xmms is in main, so just do `sudo apt-get update` first
[04:05] <snybole> ah
[04:05] <tritium> whiskers, type octave at the command line
[04:05] <keffo> thank you
[04:05] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, sweet. and that works without problem? sounds like i have a dload to do tomorrow...
[04:06] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: works just fine for me
[04:06] <Dreamer3> crimsun: so that's a good thing, i should just add it to my boot.lst?
[04:06] <Dreamer3> crimsun: or test it first?
[04:06] <crimsun> Dreamer3: test it first
[04:06] <thoreauputic> snybole: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:06] <whiskers> tritium, it looks like freemat..i don't know how to use it
[04:06] <snybole> thanks thoreauputic
[04:06] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i got this system (AXP 1800, 512mb, 20+40gig, etc) from my uncle for $25, i didn't pay too much, did I? :)
[04:06] <tritium> whiskers, I'd recommend installing octave2.1-doc, and reading through it if you're unfamiliar with it
[04:06] <thoreauputic> snybole: you're welcome :)
[04:07] <crimsun> Dreamer3: some hardware is not worth the hassle regardless the cost
[04:07] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, thanks for your help. sorry if i was a pain in the ass
[04:07] <whiskers> tritium, it looks just like freemat
[04:07] <dockane> configure-desktop is a gnome gui tool fot tpctl. tpctl got a package but configure-thinkpad not (imho). http://tpctl.sourceforge.net/configure-thinkpad.html offers rpm and so on but no deb package. do i have to compile myself or is there a more beginner friendly way ?
[04:07] <whiskers> tritium, it brings up a command line
[04:07] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: np
[04:07] <tritium> whiskers, they're both matlab clones
[04:07] <whiskers> tritium, but how do you use them
[04:07] <Dreamer3> crimsun: please don't tell me that's what i have
[04:07] <Dreamer3> crimsun: because it seems QUIET speedy and solid outside of the nvidia issues
[04:07] <tritium> whiskers, you need to read the documentation to become a bit familiar with the way it works.
[04:07] <Dreamer3> *QUITE
[04:08] <CarlK> what does "blacklisted" mean - I see in the boot messages: eth0... eepro100: blacklisted
[04:08] <Archer> crimsun: hmm.... ok, after i updated the "software update" program, what do i do next?
[04:08] <Dreamer3> crimsun: and i'm only running of fthe 20go (20mb/s) drive, the 40g is double fast
[04:08] <keffo> crimsun, btw, is ther a way to clear bashhistory? ;P
[04:08] <dockane> is there a apt-rpm or something ?
[04:08] <jacquesmerde> how long til i can get a partition full of badger?
[04:09] <thoreauputic> CarlK: probably modules *not* to load (see /etc/hotplug/blacklist)
[04:09] <bnolte> echo " " > .bashhistory
[04:09] <bnolte> :)
[04:09] <crimsun> keffo: log out, log in as root and erase your other user's ~/.bash_history
[04:09] <kot> any help available if i have nvidia and custom kernel?
[04:09] <crimsun> Archer: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[04:09] <jacquesmerde> hey, i'm having trouble getting my usb midi stuff happening. if i forsake the leanness of arch for ubuntu, will i give myself latency problems?
[04:09] <CarlK> crimsun - "log in as root" ... not "here" ;)
[04:10] <keffo> echo " " > .bashhistory so thats not a good way? ;P
[04:10] <crimsun> keffo: no, because that command still goes into your ~/.bash_history
[04:10] <Dreamer3> doens't hurt to run 686 stuff on athlon, does it?
[04:10] <bnolte> you may want to use the tab key when typing .bashh(tab) im not
[04:10] <bnolte> :)
[04:10] <crimsun> Dreamer3: nope
[04:10] <Archer> crimsun: btw, i did a "apt-get update" in the terminal, but it says error
[04:10] <whiskers> hah this ubuntu is quite interesting
[04:10] <keffo> so if i login as root, and do rm the bash history file
[04:10] <crimsun> Archer: what sort? Paste in #flood
[04:11] <keffo> it'll make a new one right?
[04:11] <jacquesmerde> sometimes i feel i have to *clap* *clap* run away........where is an op when you need a good booting?
[04:11] <calc> keffo: yea with just the lines since your current login
[04:11] <Dreamer3> crimsun: so, the system isn't THAT terrible, is it? :)
[04:11] <keffo> thank you
[04:11] <Archer> crimsun: done
[04:11] <crimsun> Dreamer3: it can be. Mine was awful.
[04:11] <crimsun> Archer: what did you choose?
[04:11] <Dreamer3> crimsun: oh :(
[04:11] <whiskers> tritium, ok....octave says 2 + 2 = 4
[04:11] <Dreamer3> crimsun: reliability or just incompatibility?
[04:12] <crimsun> Dreamer3: reliability
[04:12] <whiskers> tritium, i figured that out
[04:12] <tritium> whiskers, I just sent you an example
[04:12] <Dreamer3> crimsun: how long ago was this
[04:12] <whiskers> tritium, oh you did..let me go back
[04:12] <Dreamer3> crimsun: because my 2001 bios sure seemed crappy...
[04:12] <crimsun> Dreamer3: I'm still using the same system with noapic
[04:12] <Dreamer3> crimsun: 2002 is behaving better
[04:12] <Dreamer3> crimsun: ah :)
[04:12] <Dreamer3> crimsun: you have nvidia?
[04:12] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: a bit transparent, that remark, don't you feel?
[04:13] <crimsun> Dreamer3: yup
[04:13] <Dreamer3> crimsun: but never seem the issue i'm having with screens?
[04:13] <son> hi
[04:13] <crimsun> Dreamer3: I saw it constantly in newer kernels unless I used noapic
[04:13] <son> kernel?
[04:13] <son> noapic?
[04:13] <whiskers> tritium, ok i see a simple linear solution you typed
[04:13] <son> WIL SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT IT ALL M EANS?
[04:13] <whiskers> tritium, but what are the octave commands to solve this
[04:14] <Dreamer3> crimsun: well, then... i upgrade to the latest driver, and if that doesn't fix it i try nopaic :)
[04:14] <Archer> crimsun: you told me to do "atp-get update" after i delete the "#" in the sources.list
[04:14] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, transparent? how so, pray tell!
[04:14] <son> ..............
[04:14] <crimsun> Archer: close synaptic first :)
[04:14] <tritium> whiskers, I gave you a full example, including the solution
[04:14] <roo_> son, whats the problem?
[04:14] <son> what is a kernel?
[04:14] <apokryphos> son: will you not yell?
[04:14] <crimsun> people really do have a lot of time to be trolling
[04:15] <son> sry
[04:15] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: are you using transparency reliably?
[04:15] <roo_> son, please google. we all google, no-one is born with basic knowledge.
[04:15] <Archer> crimsun: still the same
[04:15] <crimsun> Archer: close all instances of synaptic
[04:15] <son> uhh....
[04:15] <roo_> son, google for "what is the linux kernel"
[04:16] <Archer> crimsun: can i just right click the "software updates" on the top right pane to "update package list now"?
[04:16] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: heh - different meaning of "transparent" ;)
[04:16] <roo_> son, http://www.linuxhelp.net/newbies/
[04:16] <son> google?
[04:16] <crimsun> son's trolling, folks. Leave him be, thanks.
[04:16] <whiskers> tritium, very interesting...it took the parameters of the matrix A
[04:16] <son> oh you mean the internet!?
[04:16] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: oh, ok :)
[04:16] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: i couldn't get it working solid :)
[04:16] <son> ok
[04:16] <whiskers> tritium, and it printed inv(A)
[04:16] <hor> I can't play mp3 files here. What do I need to install?!
[04:16] <roo_> crimsun, oops.
[04:16] <whiskers> tritium, that is quite useful
[04:16] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: though i had good luck with transparency alone... and might not have even been a problem but i didn't try it without renderaccel, which seems quite unstable here
[04:16] <crimsun> hor: enable universe and install 'gstreamer0.8-mad'
[04:16] <tritium> whiskers, good, I'm glad you're liking it already
[04:17] <hor> crimsun, thank you! :)
[04:17] <CarlK> hor - https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:17] <whiskers> tritium, yes i like it
[04:17] <tritium> :)
[04:17] <crimsun> Archer: yes, you can
[04:17] <Archer> crimsun: can i just right click the "software updates" on the top right pane to "update package list now"?
[04:17] <Dreamer3> whiskers: what do you like?
[04:18] <Archer> crimsun: updating
[04:18] <hor> CarlK, thx. I could have used the search function on ubuntulinux.org :o/
[04:18] <kzm> Hi again.  Want to hear some X weirdness?
[04:19] <CarlK> hor - no prob - I have that url open just so I can cut/paste it ;)
[04:19] <tritium> Dreamer3, he likes octave now
[04:19] <Dreamer3> tritium: oh
[04:19] <Dreamer3> tritium: i will like everything if i can get this system working :)
[04:19] <jnoreiko> anyone got bluefish 1.0 from backports?
[04:19] <Dreamer3> crimsun: what does noapic actually do?
[04:19] <tritium> Dreamer3, I hope you will...
[04:20] <Dreamer3> jnoreiko: backports are so old news, upgrade to hoary :)
[04:21] <kzm> Anybody else have problem with mp3 playing?  I get stuttering if I put a bit of load on X (e.g. drag windows)
[04:21] <kzm> Something's really broken with (my) Hoary, but I'm not sure exactly what.
[04:21] <dockane> who can help me figuring out the next step to install "configure-thinkpad" ?
[04:21] <Skid> hi folks, I keep getting my /dev/dsp device busy - it's a dell inspiron 8200 laptop - it was working in warty, but it doesn't work in horay any idea?
[04:21] <Skid> i.e.i can't watch movies, or play mp3s
[04:22] <Dreamer3> dockane: didn't someone say it's in the reposity you just needed to apt get it?
[04:22] <jnoreiko> Dreamer3, as soon as they take orders for CDs, I'll be signing up :)
[04:22] <crimsun> kzm: make sure DMA is enabled
[04:22] <jordanau> how do i get root privaleges in gnome without switching user to root?
[04:22] <whiskers> Dreamer3, i like octave and freemat
[04:22] <kzm> crimsun: for disks?  X?  or sound?
[04:22] <crimsun> Dreamer3: disables one of the APIC controllers on your motherboard
[04:22] <Archer> Crimsun: after i update, it shows this error
[04:23] <crimsun> kzm: block devices (HD, CDROM)
[04:23] <Archer> crimsun: i pasted in flood channel
[04:23] <dockane> Dreamer3, and did i ask if i am right with saying thats only tpctl and NOT the gui interface "configure-thinkpad" from
[04:23] <dockane> http://tpctl.sourceforge.net/configure-thinkpad.html
[04:23] <tritium> dockane, I just did "apt-cache search thinkpad".  I'm gues what you want is thinkpad-base
[04:23] <tritium> guessing, that is ;)
[04:23] <Archer> crimsun: wait
[04:23] <truz24> Are there any oss packages that sit on top of sendmail that offer virus protection and webmail access ?
[04:24] <kzm> crimson: already using DMA (according to hdparm)
[04:24] <Kazuhiro> howdy peopl
[04:24] <thoreauputic> truz24: clamav for virus, the other i don't know
[04:25] <whiskers> i need to compile clamav for win98
[04:25] <calc> lots of webmail apps like horde
[04:25] <Archer> crimsun: ok, i go paste the error in #flood
[04:25] <Kazuhiro> any one know how to enable the cpu speedstepping on a latop (pent m)
[04:25] <whiskers> that avg stuff crashes win98 everywhere
[04:25] <whiskers> so i need to compile clamav for win98
[04:26] <crimsun> Archer: is that computer on a live Internet connection?
[04:26] <dockane> tritium, did you take a look to the url ?
[04:26] <tritium> dockane, which?
[04:26] <Archer> crimsun: yes
[04:27] <dockane> tritium, http://tpctl.sourceforge.net/configure-thinkpad.html
[04:27] <daand> Hi there, I've been using windows/dos for 17 years, but i want to give linux a shot, can anyone help me out with a problem?
[04:27] <dockane> daand, maybe
[04:27] <daand> I'm trying to compile a driver for my wireless pcmcia in ubuntu
[04:27] <HiddenWolf> daand: what's up?
[04:27] <daand> and i need to install a normal set of linux dev tools and try again
[04:27] <kzm> Any idea how long it takes from registration before one is allowed to log onto bugzilla?
[04:27] <Dreamer3> ok, my mouse cursor is like redrawn 1000 times a minute in the vncserverclient, any way to turn that off?
[04:27] <tritium> dockane, I saw it
[04:28] <Dreamer3> it's using a LOT of cpu on both ends looks like
[04:28] <jordanau> daand, have you tried ndiswrapper
[04:28] <jordanau> ?
[04:28] <daand> no, but i think it supports the spectrum24 (aka intel 2011)
[04:28] <daand> how does that work?
[04:28] <Archer> crimsun: should i try updating again?
[04:28] <crimsun> Archer: yes
[04:28] <crimsun> Archer: and if that fails, try another mirror
[04:28] <Archer> crimsun: ok
[04:28] <tritium> dockane, you should first try tpctl, since it's available in ubuntu
[04:28] <jordanau> daand, does your card already have linux drivers or not
[04:29] <daand> yes, intel points me to some, I'm trying to compile them
[04:29] <HiddenWolf> daand, try 'sudo apt-get build-depends; in a console
[04:29] <dockane> tritium, where the heck do i get this gui from ? the offered packeges on the url do no include deb and tpctl and thinkpad-base do not include it. tpctl is only command line and thinkpad-base looks like drivers
[04:29] <HiddenWolf> daand, that should give you all the tools you need to compile
[04:29] <daand> hiddenwolf: invalid operation
[04:29] <thoreauputic> daand: they may already exist in the default kernel if supported
[04:30] <daand> how do i know if it works?
[04:30] <Archer> crimsun: this time, no errors, but it does not show up the "software update"
[04:30] <tritium> dockane, the gui is not availabe for ubuntu.  tpctl is apparently ncurses-based
[04:30] <daand> the device manager doesnt tell me much, but it does support my pcmcia slot
[04:30] <thoreauputic> daand: I think he meant   sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:30] <HiddenWolf> thoreauputic: check
[04:30] <tritium> dockane, did you run "ntpctl"?
[04:30] <HiddenWolf> daand, sorry about that
[04:31] <daand> np :)
[04:31] <daand> ok, its doing something
[04:31] <daand> I take it this will compile stuff?
[04:31] <dockane> tritium, ah well thats the information a nooby like me is crying for. ncurses .. *?*
[04:31] <thoreauputic> daand: no, just give you the tools
[04:31] <daand> its 'gcc' sounds pretty close to the 'cc' i was asked for earlier
[04:31] <crimsun> Archer: now install linux-headers-$(uname -r), build-essential, and alsa-source
[04:32] <dockane> tritium, says "Device file does not exist"
[04:32] <thoreauputic> daand: yes, it's the GNU C compiler
[04:32] <tritium> dockane, hmm, I don't have a thinkpad.  Do you know what device it's trying to access?
[04:32] <daand> good to know, thnx
[04:32] <nicole> hey
[04:32] <nicole> how r u
[04:33] <dockane> tritium, i think it must one of the devices thinkpad-base installs
[04:33] <nicole> g2g sry talk to u later
[04:33] <dockane> *be
[04:33] <daand> oh, another question, how do i make the file explorer browse in the same window?
[04:33] <daand> I'm getting carpal tunnel using a touchpad to close everything :)
[04:33] <tritium> dockane, not sure what to suggest
[04:33] <crimsun> back later.
[04:33] <thully> hi - does anyone know why the codename for the next release (post-Hoary) was changed from "Grumpy Groundhog" to "Breezy Badger"?
[04:34] <daand> off-topic: love the names
[04:34] <tritium> dockane, actually, it appears that thinkpad-base is configuration files.  thinkpad-source is the source code for modules
[04:34] <thoreauputic> thully: grumpy will be the "everything breaks" unstable version ;)
[04:34] <Archer> crimsun: erm... i dunno which one to choose, anyway, i need to go study as i have a exam tomorrow.... sorry, i will let it update everything first
[04:34] <tritium> dockane, You'll probably need to build those modules in thinkpad-source
[04:35] <thully> yes - but hoary was that after warty's release, right?
[04:35] <thully> will grumpy be like sid - a codename which never changes?
[04:35] <thoreauputic> thully: wart >> hoary >> breezy
[04:35] <thoreauputic> thully: I think so
[04:36] <thully> so, will breezy be like "testing" and grumpy "unstable"
[04:36] <thoreauputic> thully: not really - debian testing changes, breezy won't
[04:36] <Kazuhiro> tritium, im on a thinkpad too ntpctl results in a segmentation fault
[04:37] <tritium> Kazuhiro, did you build modules from thinkpad-source?
[04:37] <thully> well, what about before it is a final release?  hoary changes now, why won't breezy?
[04:37] <thoreauputic> thully: once it's released I mean
[04:37] <Kazuhiro> tritium, nope :(
[04:37] <thoreauputic> thully: like hoary until Friday, yeah
[04:37] <tritium> Kazuhiro, I don't have a thinkpad, but from the package information, that seems to be what you should do
[04:37] <daand> I installed gcc, but its not in usr/src/linux
[04:37] <daand> can anyone tell me how to find it?
[04:37] <daand> or do i need to reboot first
[04:37] <Skid> hi, im running horay, 2.6.10, on a dell inspiron sound card is intel ac '97 - i can't get it to support mixing... can someone please assist?
[04:37] <Dreamer3_> ok, can anyone tell me how to fix cursor redraw issue with vncviewer?
[04:37] <thoreauputic> daand: /usr/bin/gcc
[04:38] <thully> yes - OK, so it will be hoary=stable breezy=testing grumpy=unstable (until breezy's release) correct?
[04:38] <oklinux> can I dual boot with ubuntu ?
[04:38] <daand> annoying how simple the answer is, thnx alot
[04:38] <tritium> oklinux, yes
[04:38] <Dreamer3_> when i hold my cursor over the vns window cpu usage on box boxes jumps to like 75% asnd it looks like it's drawing it like crazy
[04:38] <thoreauputic> daand: to find an executable, type   which <name>
[04:38] <daand> good to know, thank you
[04:39] <thoreauputic> daand: to read the manual, type ` man gcc`
[04:39] <thoreauputic> daand: and put aside a few days.... hehe
[04:39] <LeeColleton> is it possible to scrollback in a "screen" session?
[04:39] <thoreauputic> LeeColleton: page up I think
[04:40] <LeeColleton> thoreauputic: prints "~"
[04:40] <tritium> LeeColleton, try shift-pageup
[04:40] <LeeColleton> tritium: just beeps
[04:41] <LeeColleton> this isn't an ordinary terminal window, it's a screen session
[04:41] <tritium> hmm, that works in consoles and terminals...
[04:41] <tritium> LeeColleton, the screen manpage and docs don't have any info on it?
[04:43] <LeeColleton> tritium: there's an option to output a hardcopy file of the session, which I could grep through...
[04:43] <Skid> hi, im running horay, 2.6.10, on a dell inspiron sound card is intel ac '97 - i can't get it to support mixing... can someone please assist?
[04:44] <tritium> LeeColleton, I've not used it, so I'm afraid I'm not much help
[04:44] <richard42> when you install the ubuntu cyrus packages -- how is the user database set up by default?
[04:44] <LeeColleton> tritium: it's a really handy way of leaving interactive terminal programs running (mplayer on a server, streamripper, et cetera)
[04:45] <tritium> LeeColleton, yeah, so I've heard ;)
[04:46] <thully> hi - has anyone manages to transfer AAC files to an iPod in Ubuntu?
[04:46] <thully> s/manages/managed
[04:46] <Nermal> does gtkpod support that ?
[04:47] <thully> gtkpod upstream does, but not the version in universe (it needs to be built against MP4 libs)
[04:48] <thully> gtkpod seems to have lots of dependencies - not something I'd like to compile
[04:48] <Ilta> LeeColleton: try entering copy mode (command-Esc) and moving around.
[04:49] <LeeColleton> Ilta: thanks!
[04:49] <LeeColleton> how do I exit copy mode?
[04:50] <LeeColleton> oh, nevermind
[04:50] <LeeColleton> Esc again does it
[04:51] <LeeColleton> And that was (Ctrl+a Esc) to enter copy mode, for our home viewers
[04:52] <dieman> heh
[04:52] <dieman> iiinteresting. update-manager wont run dpkg --configure -a for you if it needs to
[04:52] <dieman> oh well.
[04:53] <blueyed> thoreauputic, about setting the default browser: I've used sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser, instead of hardcoding it into xchat.
[04:53] <amran> hello ppl. i would like some help.it seems in my quest to restore xfce to its non-nautilus'd state, ive inadvertantly killed a bumnch of gnome config for menus. namely the whole /et/xdg dir. anyone know how i can reconfig/restore my gnome menus? and at the same time restore my scfe config to its default?
[04:54] <blueyed> thoreauputic, about setting the default browser: I've used sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser, instead of hardcoding it into xchat.
[04:54] <daand> where can i find the linux source tree please?
[04:54] <thoreauputic> blueyed: why?
[04:55] <thoreauputic> blueyed: ah, I see, sorry
[04:55] <thoreauputic> misread your post
[04:55] <blueyed> because if I should change my mind.. and I like the /etc/alternatives way.. np.
[04:56] <saik0> Good morning #ubuntu.
[04:56] <thoreauputic> blueyed: yes I see
[04:56] <PecK> hey all
[04:56] <PecK> now W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[04:56] <blueyed> Now I've compiled Krusader from CVS and it kicks ass!
[04:56] <thoreauputic> blueyed: after that split my eyes went funny ;-)
[04:56] <PecK> been happening since yesterday. was there a server change?
[04:56] <blueyed> split?
[04:57] <keyhack> Is there a way to have fetchmail pass new mail messages to a binary?
[04:57] <thoreauputic> blueyed: there was a huge netsplit and I was disconnected :)
[04:57] <tritium> daand, have you installed the source package yet?
[04:57] <thoreauputic> tritium: I believe he installed headers
[04:58] <amran> someone help? please?
[04:58] <thoreauputic> tritium: he's using ndiswrapper or something
[04:58] <tritium> thoreauputic, I see.  I didn't know if anybody helped him.
[04:58] <thoreauputic> tritium: but I know nothing about ndiswrapper, so....
[04:58] <saik0> Hmm, maybe this should be asked in a mac channel but...Is there a relativelt simple way to share a printer on a mac with one running ubuntu?
[04:58] <daand> i'm not using ndiswrapper
[04:58] <tritium> thoreauputic, nor do I ;)
[04:59] <daand> trying to do it the official intel way
[04:59] <thoreauputic> daand: oh, sorry you mentioned ndiswrapper
[04:59] <tritium> daand, do what the official Intel way?
[04:59] <IRCMarK> hi, I've a question, I'm currently using Ubuntu The Warty Warthog, what happens when the new version will be released? Do I have to format and reinstall everything or the system will automatically update?
[04:59] <British> hi
[04:59] <daand> http://sourceforge.net/projects/spectrum24/
[04:59] <apokryphos> IRCMarK: no, you can upgrade with apt
[04:59] <daand> intel tells me to use that for the 2011 card
[04:59] <spacey> IRCMarK, you can follow the update procedure
[05:00] <apokryphos> IRCMarK: even now
[05:00] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell IRCMarK ubuhoary
[05:00] <Pyre> IRCMarK: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[05:00] <IRCMarK> thank you all
[05:00] <daand> trying to make config, asked for cc, installed gcc, asked for linux source tree
[05:00] <IRCMarK> very much
[05:00] <British> I've installed Ubuntu - two days ago.
[05:00] <daand> but i dont know where the linux source tree is installed
[05:00] <apokryphos> query IRCMarK
[05:00] <dstate> query whoops_forgot_the/
[05:01] <bur[n] er_> daand: apt-get install build-essential
[05:01] <solidape> anyone here succesfully installed lirc on ubuntu? i'm a lost newbie in need of help....
[05:01] <tritium> daand, you need to install it first.  You actually only need a linux-headers package, not the full source
[05:01] <British> anybody here actually living in Columbia? If so, is there a decent computer shop where one can find bits and pieces?
[05:01] <thoreauputic> daand: this might all be unnecessary if the module exists and your card is supported by the kernel... do you know it isn't?
[05:01] <daand> can anyone tell me where ubuntu leaves the linux source tree
[05:01] <daand> i dont know how to check :)
[05:01] <Skid> im running horay, 2.6.10, on a dell inspiron sound card is intel ac '97 - i can't get it to support mixing... can someone please assist?
[05:01] <daand> but i know that ndiswrapper doesnt
[05:02] <tritium> daand, as I said, you need to install either a linux-source or a linux-headers package.
[05:02] <whiteknight> daand, it puts it in /usr/src
[05:02] <icarus> Skid, try installing dbmix
[05:02] <daand> thnx whiteknight
[05:02] <Skid> apt-get install dbmix ?
[05:02] <icarus> ya
[05:02] <thoreauputic> tritium: he installed linux-headers-$(uname-r)
[05:02] <Skid> dj mixer?
[05:02] <solidape> can anyone help me with installing lirc? i'm lost....
[05:02] <British> anybody here actually living in Columbia? If so, is there a decent computer shop where one can find bits and pieces?
[05:03] <amran> hello ppl. i would like some help.it seems in my quest to restore xfce to its non-nautilus'd state, ive inadvertantly killed a bumnch of gnome config for menus. namely the whole /et/xdg dir. anyone know how i can reconfig/restore my gnome menus? and at the same time restore my scfe config to its default?
[05:03] <tritium> daand, dpkg -L <packagename> will list where files in a package are located
[05:03] <tritium> thoreauputic, thanks, he didn't tell me
[05:03] <daand> package name is linux-headers or linux-headers-$(uname-r)?
[05:04] <daand> tritium
[05:04] <tritium> daand, the latter
[05:04] <daand> thnx
[05:04] <snybole> So, I'm trying to install some new things now, but it seems like it needs something from the install CDrom, but when I've inserted the cdrom, it doesnt find it, is there someway I can make it download things? F.ex. gcc?
[05:04] <saik0>  daand, the linux-headers package is just a metapackage, much like linix-x86 package
[05:05] <daand> saiko: sorry, metapackage?
[05:05] <thoreauputic> snybole: sudo apt-get install build-essential     (for gcc and tools)
[05:06] <snybole> thanks again :)
[05:06] <nicole> nicole
[05:06] <nicole> hi
[05:06] <saik0> daand, basically the linux-headers pacage just depends on the appopriate headers for your installed kernel(s?)
[05:06] <nicole> hi
[05:06] <daand> ah, /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5
[05:06] <nicole> how r u today
[05:06] <garrut> hi
[05:06] <PecK> hi
[05:06] <daand> let me see if it works
[05:07] <PecK> lol
[05:07] <daand> it worked :)
[05:07] <thoreauputic> nicole is an IRC butterfly, it seems...
[05:07] <daand> dpgk -L linux-headers-2.6.10-5 was the answer
[05:08] <daand> that (uname) thing, is that a way to tell it to install the latest version instead of typing the full name?
[05:08] <thoreauputic> daand: as i said, $(uname -r) expands to the correct kernel
[05:08] <thoreauputic> daand: type  uname -r to see
[05:09] <thoreauputic> uname -a tells you more
[05:10] <daand> thank you, i'll try that
[05:10] <daand> is /lib/modules/(version)/ an acceptable place to install?
[05:10] <tritium> daand, that's standard
[05:10] <daand> by version i mean 2.6.10-5-386
[05:10] <daand> ok, I'll put it there then
[05:10] <thoreauputic> daand: you normally accept defaults
[05:11] <solidape> anyone gotten lirc to work? i'm having some problems.....
[05:11] <saik0> How can I share a printer on a Mac with a linux box? Google offered no solutions
[05:11] <thoreauputic> daand: that way the system knows where they are ;)
[05:11] <daand> that was the default, just making sure :)
[05:11] <tritium> saik0, is it a newer Mac that can use cups?
[05:11] <saik0> tritium, it's running OS X if that helps
[05:12] <tritium> saik0, I know OS X has cups clients.  I would expect that you can also share the printer using cups.
[05:12] <daand> tells me to reconfigure and rebuild my kernel with pcmcia enabled
[05:12] <daand> but i know that in device manager my pcmcia stuff is properly detected
[05:13] <charm> How can I fix : short read in buffer copy error when trying to install a package?
[05:13] <xoxoxo> hello. i am using hoary, and i have a orinoco card. but ubuntu cannot detect my card: once i push the card into pcmcia slot, i expect that the power led of the card would turn on, but that didnt. how can i turn on the card?
[05:13] <whiteknight> xoxoxo, the power led will usually turn on when the driver is loaded
[05:14] <saik0> tritium, thanks I'll look into that
[05:14] <daand> hmm, i think my card works on orinoco as well
[05:14] <tritium> saik0, sure, it's just a guess :)
[05:14] <charm> re: short read buffer, tried apt-get -f install, but it didn't correct the problem.
[05:14] <saik0> tritium, better than nothing
[05:15] <tritium> :)
[05:15] <libben> 5 new updates allready =)
[05:15] <xoxoxo> whiteknight: i modprobe orinoco, but the led didnt turn on. any idea?
[05:15] <tritium> xoxoxo, what about orinoco_cs ?
[05:15] <xoxoxo> ok, let me try a gain
[05:15] <whiteknight> xoxoxo, check lsmod to see if a driver has been loaded
[05:16] <saik0> tritium, if you search google for 'mac cups' you'll find 2 useful pages and a bunch of coffe mugs =)
[05:16] <tritium> saik0, hah, how useful
[05:16] <daand> whiteknight: if i lsmod and it tells me that the pcmcia_core has loaded orinoco_cs,pcmcia and yenta_socket that it might work?
[05:16] <snybole> oh, one more thing, I have 2 soundcards in my computer, and I want to use my soundblaster, but alsamixer uses my other, how can I change that?
[05:17] <xoxoxo> anyway, how to configure ubuntu, so it can automatically insmod the kernel module when i insert the card?
[05:17] <whiteknight> saik0, how about this? http://www.danka.de/apple-cups-en/
[05:17] <tritium> xoxoxo, add it to /etc/modules
[05:17] <xoxoxo> ok, this is the lsmod output
[05:18] <tritium> xoxoxo, don't paste if it's long
[05:18] <whiteknight> daand, yeah then try iwconfig
[05:18] <charm> can't do any apt-get update or upgrade until this stupid short read in buffer copy is fixed.
[05:18] <daand> tells me no wireless extensions @ whiteknight
[05:18] <teleyinex> hi
[05:19] <trygvebw> HI! What is glib-dev called in Ubuntu? I'm trying to compile Gutenprint, and it complains about missing glib.h.
[05:19] <xoxoxo> ok, after modprobe, i saw the module. but the led still didnt blink?
[05:19] <teleyinex> someone knows how can i compile mplayer with xv support?
[05:19] <teleyinex> cause i dont find the dev package of xorg
[05:19] <whiteknight> daand, is there any info when you do dmeg?
[05:19] <whiteknight> xoxoxo, is this a pcmica card?
[05:20] <xoxoxo> orinoco, orinoco_cs, yenta_socket, pcmcia,.... everything shows in lsmod
[05:20] <xoxoxo> whiteknight: yes, it is. i am on the notebook now
[05:20] <whiteknight> xoxoxo, what does iwconfig say?
[05:20] <trygvebw> anyone?
[05:20] <whiteknight> daand, sorry that should be dmesg
[05:20] <xoxoxo> i guess if the module is not orinoco, i cannot modprobe, rite?
[05:20] <xoxoxo> it will report error then ?
[05:21] <whiteknight> xoxoxo, it should only load the appropriate modules, check dmesg
[05:21] <daand> whiteknight: yes, a bucketload, let me sift through
[05:21] <daand> any hints on what i'm looking for
[05:21] <whiteknight> daand, anything mentioning orinoco
[05:21] <xoxoxo> if the led doesnt blink, i guess iwconfig makes no sense
[05:22] <whiteknight> xoxoxo, what exactly is your card?
[05:22] <whiteknight> daand, what exactly is your card?
[05:22] <whiteknight> juggling two problems!
[05:22] <xoxoxo> dmesg shows that the modules inserted, that is all
[05:22] <xoxoxo> whiteknight: buffalo wli-pcm-L11G
[05:23] <whiteknight> xoxoxo, okay give me a sec
[05:23] <xoxoxo> i am sure that the card is fine: winXP detects it very well
[05:23] <charm> Ironically enough I'm using a Microsoft card and it works great! (Broadcom)
[05:23] <whiteknight> xoxoxo, no i don't doubt the card, just going to check the driver
[05:23] <daand> whiteknight: sorry for the juggling, no orinoco loaded, and my card is an intel 2011
[05:23] <icarus> xoxoxo, do you have an entry for the card in /etc/network/interfaces
[05:24] <xoxoxo> yeah it is clear that windows support wireless better than linux
[05:24] <xoxoxo> icarus: that doesnt matter, rite?
[05:24] <thoreauputic> charm: double irony Microsoft + Broadcom
[05:24] <xoxoxo> ubuntu doesnt detects the card, so to have ip config in network/interfaces or not, that doesnt matter
[05:24] <charm> Actually the driver I'm using was NOT written by Microsoft, but someone else.
[05:25] <xoxoxo> charm: no. driver is written by the maker/producer
[05:25] <xoxoxo> not microsoft
[05:25] <charm> The driver I'm using wasn't on the Microsoft CD, it was a hacked version of the Windows driver that behaves much better.
[05:26] <daand> nothing in network/interfaces
[05:27] <xoxoxo> usually the producer write the driver themself, then submit it to MS. then it will be include into windows. that is how the devices are supported in windows world
[05:27] <Dreamer3_> new kernel = recompile alas again *sighs* :)
[05:28] <tritium> Dreamer3_, you're compiling your own?
[05:28] <Skid> hmm, still can't get my ac 97 intel soundcard to mix - anyideas?
[05:28] <Dreamer3_> tritium: yeah, out of the box ubuntu alsa doesn't support my hardware and prevent gnome from even loading
[05:28] <Skid> horay.. 2.6.10
[05:28] <Dreamer3_> tritium: i mean i'm using the debian package, so it's not too hard :)
[05:28] <tritium> Dreamer3_, oh, I see.
[05:28] <xoxoxo> so is there any good links on how to config wireless on ubuntu?
[05:29] <xoxoxo> this problem makes me crazy
[05:29] <solidape> how do i control vlc with lirc... i can move the mouse with my remote and so, but i can't control vlc....
[05:30] <teleyinex> someone has compile mplayer?
[05:30] <juser> teleyinex, best to ask in #mplayer
[05:30] <Dreamer3_> wow, screen savers are totally different with a nice video card, i swear i didn't even see some of this stuff before
[05:31] <tritium> Dreamer3_, did you get the nvidia issue resolved?
[05:31] <goldfish> just wondering, i have an nvidia card, i did an dpkg-reconfigure xserver, should i use nv or nvidia drivers?
[05:31] <pdoms> Hi guys, how do i add a downloaded skin in xmms pls?
[05:31] <goldfish> coz i chose nvidia and it was all blurry, so i switched to nv
[05:31] <goldfish> but i find nv really slow when i use transset
[05:32] <tritium> goldfish, you want nvidia
[05:32] <goldfish> ah right
[05:32] <tritium> goldfish, did you install nvidia-glx and run nvidia-glx-config enable?
[05:32] <goldfish> nvidia was all mad
[05:32] <goldfish> i did on warty] 
[05:32] <pdoms> Anyone knows how to add a skin in XMMS ?
[05:33] <goldfish> i upgraded to hoary the other day
[05:33] <pdoms> btw: ubuntu owns =)
[05:33] <tritium> deFrysk, what nvidia issues did you have?
[05:33] <thoreauputic> pdoms: extract it to ~/.xmms/Skins/
[05:33] <pdoms> thanks thoreauputic
[05:33] <tritium> goldfish, you shoulld still have nvidia in your xorg.conf then
[05:33] <thoreauputic> np
[05:33] <solidape> do i need a plugin to control vlc with lirc?
[05:33] <pdoms> thoreauputic, in separated dirs?
[05:33] <deFrysk> tritium, x Froze
[05:33] <thoreauputic> pdoms: from memory, yes
[05:34] <tritium> I'll be back...
[05:34] <deFrysk> my tnt card does no longer work on newer drivers so i got another card
[05:34] <deFrysk> X.org: 6.8.2 | Monitor: C1770NSL/NST | Videocard: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]  | Res: 1280x1024, 24-bits | Audio: Avance Logic Inc. ALS4000 Audio Chipset | X-chat: 2.4.1
[05:34] <thoreauputic> pdoms: yes, each skin has a dir
[05:34] <deFrysk> that one LD
[05:34] <keyhack> Is there a way to get fetchmail to pass new mail to an application? Or do I have to use fetchmail and procmail together?
[05:34] <deFrysk> pdoms, just put the package inthere , dont unpack it
[05:35] <thoreauputic> deFrysk: ah, you don't need to extract? It works extracted, though
[05:35] <deFrysk> thoreauputic, afaIk no need to extract
[05:36] <deFrysk> thoreauputic, but as usual I could be wrong
[05:36] <thoreauputic> deFrysk: OK, good to know, thanks :)
[05:36] <thoreauputic> deFrysk: no, i think both work actually
[05:36] <spanglesontoast> does cedega work if I install it?
[05:36] <pdoms> Thanks guys, putted each skin in diff dir & it works fine
[05:37] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: one would imagine so
[05:37] <zeedo> spanglesontoast: you try using it without installing it, but installing it is usually the best course of action
[05:37] <spanglesontoast> lol
[05:37] <spanglesontoast> erm I meant what package types do I use rpm or deb?
[05:38] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: guess (hint- debian based distros = deb + Ubuntu = Debian-based)
[05:38] <spanglesontoast> ah ok
[05:39] <spanglesontoast> i actually love this distro more than fedora or mandrake
[05:39] <spanglesontoast> so I mite stay for a bit lol
[05:39] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: I should hpe so!  *grin*
[05:39] <thoreauputic> *hope
[05:39] <pirate> Every time I load GNOME it freezes. It's something to do with Nautilus, because everything is fine until I launch that... anyone else having that problem?
[05:39] <spanglesontoast> It's actually quite comfy gnome 2.10 makes me happy
[05:40] <whiskers> spanglesontoast, what is in gnome 2.10
[05:41] <whiskers> spanglesontoast, this looks like gnome 2.8
[05:41] <deFrysk> whiskers, so does gnome 2.6
[05:41] <deFrysk> whiskers, so does gnome 2.4
[05:41] <topyli> pirate: that's weird because you don't actually even "launch" it, it's running all the time
[05:41] <spanglesontoast> lol
[05:41] <deFrysk> blah
[05:41] <pdoms> Anyone know where I can make firefox open x-chat if I click an irc:// link?
[05:41] <spanglesontoast> erm how do I install .deb
[05:41] <spanglesontoast> is there a command or something
[05:41] <deFrysk> spanglesontoast, dpkg -i
[05:41] <pirate> topyli: Actually, it's not running all the time -- until you launch the gnome-session.
[05:41] <invictus> dpkg -i file.deb
[05:41] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast:  sudo dpkg -i
[05:41] <deFrysk> spacey, use sudo
[05:42] <pirate> topyli: I was trying to pinpoint the problem by launching components separately and seeing which one gave me a problem.
[05:42] <topyli> pirate: exactly
[05:42] <topyli> ah
[05:42] <deFrysk> spacey, i ment spanglesontoast darn autocompl.
[05:42] <pirate> =>
[05:42] <spanglesontoast> lost.
[05:42] <deFrysk> spanglesontoast, its good to be lost
[05:42] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: you need to be in the directory the deb is in
[05:43] <pdoms> Anyone know where I can make firefox open x-chat if I click an irc:// link? // or does any1 know where i can register a protocol? ^o)
[05:43] <pirate> Ubuntu is really awesome... just wish my GNOME wouldn't lock up.
[05:43] <spanglesontoast> yea it just opens the archive thingy
[05:43] <saik0> how would I allow iptables to accept Ipp on port 631 to aything on 10.0.1.* (the IP is what I cant figure out, using firestarter it says thats invalid)
[05:43] <spanglesontoast> not any installer
[05:43] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: then sudo dpkg -i <name of deb>
[05:43] <whiskers> deFrysk, well gnome 2.6 did not have dbus and hal as far as i know
[05:43] <topyli> pirate: so you start from something like a naked xterm and then launch gnome-panel, evolution-data-server, nautilus, whatever?
[05:43] <keyhack> I need some help with fetchmail/procmail. I am trying to use Lurker (http://lurker.sf.net/) and the INSTALL file tells you how to set up procmail to pass new mail to the lurker-index binary, however, mail does not reside on my webserver, the e-mail is outsourced. Is there a way to get procmail to check remote POP3 mail account and pass new mail to a binary?
[05:43] <spanglesontoast> I really want to be able to just double click
[05:43] <spanglesontoast> on it
[05:43] <deFrysk> sudo dpkg -i /pat/to/blah.deb
[05:43] <deFrysk> path*
[05:44] <whiskers> deFrysk, so that is why i am wondering what is in 2.10
[05:44] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: well, you're SOL then
[05:44] <pirate> topyli: Well, no. In fact I'm not even sure it's nautilus.
[05:44] <deFrysk> whiskers, improvements an firefox as standard browser , hal and more
[05:44] <whiskers> deFrysk, oh ok....sounds interesting
[05:45] <deFrysk> whiskers, 2.12 is gonna be mostly focussed on speeding things up
[05:45] <pirate> Actually... now it's all messed up.
[05:46] <whiskers> deFrysk, i am not sure what dbus and hal are up to...but perhaps someday when a usb device is plugged in..there will be a gnome message indicating this
[05:46] <deFrysk> whiskers, likely
[05:47] <topyli> pirate: what if you create another user and try a virgin gnome setup?
[05:47] <pirate> topyli: Tried that... same problem. Sometimes it doesn't even launch gnome - it doesn't freeze, but doesn't load anything.
[05:47] <jini> i cant get menu working in fluxbox..need help
[05:48] <spanglesontoast> why haven't I got a root user?
[05:48] <deFrysk> spanglesontoast, ubuntu uses sudo
[05:48] <topyli> pirate: hrm. sure you have everything installed?
[05:48] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: because there is't one
[05:48] <deFrysk> no need for root account
[05:48] <spanglesontoast> what is sudo?
[05:49] <spanglesontoast> I used it before but not sure what it was
[05:49] <jini> i am curruntly using warty and the fluxbox thet is in the rep. But the menu does not work.
[05:49] <jini> i dont get a menu
[05:49] <pirate> topyli: I'm positive. I honestly don't think would matter if I was missing something =/ Deps are deps.
[05:49] <deFrysk> spanglesontoast, man sudo
[05:50] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo/view?searchterm=root%20sudo
[05:50] <jini> anyone that would care to help _
[05:50] <jini> _
[05:50] <daand> can anyone tell me which command to run to get linux-source-2.6.10?
[05:51] <spanglesontoast> odd
[05:51] <spanglesontoast> it keeps saying dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[05:51] <spanglesontoast> oh
[05:51] <spanglesontoast> dw
[05:51] <tritium> daand, apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10
[05:51] <spanglesontoast> synaptic
[05:51] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: close synaptic and other apt processes
[05:51] <tritium> daand, however, that's not needed to compile modules
[05:51] <thoreauputic> then try again
[05:51] <AcidWolf> anyone running Ubuntu on PPC i need a copy of the PPC Repositories
[05:51] <spanglesontoast> duh.
[05:51] <topyli> pirate: damn, dude. you've been troubleshooting all day. you deserve a working gnome!
[05:52] <jini> would it be safe if i changed my rep from warty to hoary and install fluxbox _
[05:52] <pirate> *begins to sob quietly*
[05:52] <topyli> no! break something!
[05:52] <pirate> It's already broken =>
[05:53] <topyli> hehe
[05:53] <topyli> pirate: well, i'm stumped. all i can do really is to check the obvious :(
[05:54] <thoreauputic> jini: I have a recent ( 0.9.12) fluxbox deb if you want one for warty
[05:54] <AcidWolf> anyone willing to let me paste my sources.list to them in pvt to check if ive modified them correctly
[05:54] <topyli> pirate: except when it's my own box. then i tend to _miss_ something obvious, until somebody points it out on irc :)
[05:54] <AcidWolf> this would be really really helpful :)
[05:54] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: paste on pastebin.com
[05:55] <topyli> AcidWolf: paste it in #flood so we can all laugh at it :)
[05:55] <AcidWolf> ok
[05:55] <thoreauputic> rofl @ topyli
[05:55] <pirate> topyli: It happens (= just gonna start clean and sort it out now
[05:55] <deFrysk> ## after the final release of the distribution.
[05:55] <deFrysk> # deb http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[05:55] <deFrysk> # deb-src http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[05:55] <deFrysk> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[05:55] <deFrysk> ## repository.
[05:55] <deFrysk> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[05:55] <deFrysk> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[05:55] <deFrysk> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[05:55] <deFrysk> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[05:55] <deFrysk> ## team.
[05:55] <topyli> aargh!
[05:55] <deFrysk>  deb http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[05:55] <tritium> deFrysk, please don't
[05:55] <deFrysk> # deb-src http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[05:55] <deFrysk> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[05:55] <deFrysk> #deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[05:55] <deFrysk> # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[05:55] <deFrysk> # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[05:56] <deFrysk> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[05:56] <thoreauputic> deFrysk: grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
[05:56] <deFrysk> shit that went wrong
[05:56] <bwlang> dFrysk: ya think ...
[05:56] <topyli> yeah, do it again... NEVER
[05:56] <topyli> hehe
[05:56] <tritium> deFrysk, go to your room ;)
[05:56] <deFrysk> tritium, good plan :s
[05:57] <deFrysk> thoreauputic, more more !!
[05:57] <thoreauputic> *grin*
[05:57] <deFrysk> \o/
[05:57] <deFrysk> power of paste
[05:58] <topyli> AcidWolf: you may want the universe line uncommented. also, you might prefer not to have the deb-src lines there all the time
[05:58] <AcidWolf> ty
[05:58] <BSDDog> Hey, anyone know if there's a way to make mac-mini sound work on 5.04?
[05:58] <ViDar> quick question: how can I enable Num Lock during boot...that it would be "on" as default?
[05:59] <thoreauputic> ViDar: install numlockx
[05:59] <airox> Does anybody know a solution to encrypt a harddisk (or a file on a harddisk) and let it be mounted on linux AND windows and is free ?
[05:59] <Tresoldi> Hello people, I've just installed kubuntu and set my screen to 800x600. However, the login screen is still at 1024x768 and so the resolution is only changed when loading my desktop. How do I set that first (login) screen resolution?
[06:00] <thoreauputic> ViDar: see apt-cache show numlockx
[06:00] <pirate> Tresoldi: Set your xorg.conf to the res you want
[06:00] <ViDar> thoreauputic : thanks :)
[06:00] <Tresoldi> pirate: thank you, I'll try
[06:00] <thoreauputic> no worries :)
[06:00] <Keizer> Nuclear Elephant
[06:01] <thoreauputic> Keizer: Nuclear Elephant ??
[06:02] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i still can't get to a console... and noapic didn't seem to do anything
[06:02] <Dreamer3> crimsun: kernel still said apic was found and enabled
[06:03] <pirate> Has anyone had experience with EZ-Tablets, Transmeta Crusoe processors?
[06:03] <Florob> airox: perhaps gpg?
[06:03] <Keizer> thoreauputic, Yep
[06:03] <Dreamer3> Kernel command line: root=/dev/hdb1 ro quiet splash noapic
[06:03] <Dreamer3> Found and enabled local APIC!
[06:03] <Dreamer3> mapped APIC to ffffd000 (fee00000)
[06:03] <Dreamer3> is that normal?
[06:03] <tritium> Dreamer3, did you try nolapic as well?
[06:03] <spanglesontoast> er problem
[06:03] <spanglesontoast> my audio crashes things
[06:03] <Dreamer3> tritium: no, i didn't try that... is that what i want?
[06:03] <spanglesontoast> or doesn't work
[06:03] <Dreamer3> tritium: i mean i'm just tring to get back to a console here
[06:04] <tritium> Dreamer3, you may need to use both.  Just try all combinations.
[06:04] <pirate> spanglesontoast: Are you permissions correctly set?
[06:04] <pirate> * your
[06:04] <spanglesontoast> not sure this is first install
[06:04] <moquist> anybody know why when I create an innodb mysql table, the resulting table is myisam?  do I need to install another package to get innodb table type support?
[06:04] <spanglesontoast> so I'm new to this distro
[06:04] <airox> Florob: Would there be an application that could make the gpg encryption transparant ? So I can just move files into a dir and they will be on the encrypted dir ?
[06:05] <Dreamer3> tritium: would that fix my video though?
[06:05] <airox> moquist: When you do CREATE TABLE there is an option to specify it.
[06:05] <Dreamer3> tritium: cause everything seems to be working fine but that :(
[06:05] <moquist> airox: right.  and I specify "innodb", but when I dump the DB the type is "myisam".
[06:05] <Florob> airox: well, gpg only works for files not for directorys, but is the only solution I can think of that works from linux AND windows
[06:05] <tritium> Dreamer3, I can't guarantee that.  I'm just following up on what you tried before.
[06:05] <airox> Florob: Ok.
[06:05] <airox> Florob: Thanks.
[06:06] <moquist> airox: there's probably a better way to look at the table metadata than dumping the DB; I'll find it.
[06:06] <topyli> Amaranth: ping?
[06:07] <Dreamer3> tritium: ok, thanks!
[06:07] <tritium> Dreamer3, sure.  Let me know how the 4 combinations work out
[06:07] <Dreamer3> tritium: 4 combinations?
[06:07] <naruto> czesc
[06:08] <naruto> mam problem
[06:08] <naruto> z Ubuntu
[06:08] <tritium> Dreamer3, yes, with noapic and nolapic
[06:08] <snybole> hello _again_ :) I'm having trouble again now, but with X. I wanted to change the resolution, and I did as I always did in slack, but now it wont start. I used the xorgconfig. But it seems as if the mouse is causing the problem, what is the default input for the mouse in the config?
[06:09] <tritium> Dreamer3, presumably you've already tried 2 of them (both absent, and with only noapic)
[06:09] <Dreamer3> tritium: i only see a need to try them both now thoguh :) them if it works loosen up
[06:09] <tritium> Dreamer3, I'd also try nolapic by itself
[06:10] <benjanet> in how many hours more will be hoary out ?
[06:10] <Dreamer3> tritium: ah
[06:10] <naruto> hi i have problem... i instaled Ubuntu (5.04 RE) and i cant log on.. i have only brown screen and nothing more.. :|
[06:10] <thoreauputic> benjanet: Friday the 8th
[06:10] <Dreamer3> naruto: did gdm start?
[06:11] <pressureman> i'm a first time caller (first time with ubuntu anyway)... nice work guys
[06:11] <snybole> Could someone check what the default inpit for the mouse is in the X config?
[06:11] <naruto> Dreamer3 i dont konow XD im nwe
[06:11] <naruto> new
[06:11] <thoreauputic> snybole: depends on the mouse type
[06:12] <pressureman> i have a question about groups in ubuntu - why does the installer create a group of the same name as my user, and add me to that group?
[06:12] <thoreauputic> pressureman: it's the "Debian Way" (tm)
[06:12] <snybole> First I had normal mouse port, and a friend said that it was /dev/input/mouse, so I changed to usb, but it still doesn't work
[06:12] <pressureman> doesn't it make more sense to simply add my user to the 'users' group, as would be the case on most other *nixes?
[06:12] <snybole> What would you recomend? USB or normal mouse port?
[06:12] <moquist> pressureman: several Linuxes have been doing this for years.
[06:12] <pressureman> debian? really? i used to use debian and never noticed it do that
[06:12] <thoreauputic> pressureman: not necessarily :)
[06:13] <thoreauputic> pressureman: debian does the same thing, yes
[06:13] <pressureman> so every new user will get a group of the same name created too?
[06:13] <thoreauputic> pressureman: yes
[06:14] <snybole> thoreauputic: you know the answer to my problem? :)
[06:14] <pressureman> so, (sorry for a swathe of dumb questions), essentially each new user has no groups in common until the admin puts them in the 'users' group?
[06:14] <thoreauputic> snybole: USB mice normally should "just work" when you plug them in
[06:15] <thoreauputic> snybole: mine does anyway
[06:15] <thoreauputic> in fact I can have two mice at once, one ps2 one USB
[06:15] <snybole> But the xorg config says that it cant open the device
[06:16] <pressureman> btw, i am running a fujitsu siemens amilo M 1425 notebook, and i was blown away by how everything "just works" with ubuntu
[06:16] <snybole> btw, what protocl do you recomend that I use in the config?
[06:16] <thoreauputic> snybole: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:16] <snybole> alright, I'll do that, thanks thoreauputic
[06:16] <thoreauputic> or xserver-xfree86 on warty
[06:16] <pressureman> right down to 1280x800 on my widescreen LCD (ATI Mobility Radeon 9700)
[06:17] <thoreauputic> snybole: if you edited the file, it won't work though
[06:17] <thoreauputic> snybole: read the top of the x config file
[06:17] <snybole> will do
[06:17] <snybole> rea* not edit :)
[06:17] <snybole> read
[06:18] <snowblink> hi, has anyone installed ubuntu on vmware?
[06:18] <thoreauputic> snybole: you might need to move/back it up
[06:18] <pressureman> can anybody offer a rough approximation of the amount of time it would take to do a debian install, and bring it up to the level of polishedness of ubuntu?
[06:18] <thoreauputic> snowblink: I'm sure someone has ;-)
[06:18] <Dreamer3> naruto: please in channel only
[06:19] <thoreauputic> pressureman: heheh - depends who's doing it I guess ;-)
[06:19] <naruto>  hm..  hi i have problem... i instaled Ubuntu (5.04 RE) and i cant log on..  i have only brown screen and nothing more.. :| and i must restart
[06:19] <naruto> ;p
[06:19] <pressureman> (being that i'm a die hard debian admin, and would still use it for console only servers, but i'm liking ubuntu more and more on my laptop)
[06:19] <Dreamer3> naruto: at what point do you get the brown screen, what has happened first
[06:19] <tritium> pressureman, I don't think one individual could do it alone.  There's a whole team of ubuntu developers that have done essentially what your question asks.
[06:20] <naruto> i write  user and pass and i pusch log on
[06:20] <thoreauputic> pressureman: there's really very little difference between Debian and Ubuntu - you should be right at home
[06:20] <naruto> and nothing
[06:20] <naruto> only startmusic
[06:20] <pressureman> i guess what i'm really asking is, is there any reason why in some situations debian might be better suited to a desktop?
[06:21] <topyli> pressureman: it would take an hour, give or take. intall the woody base install, edit sources.list, upgrade to hoary ;)
[06:21] <Dreamer3> pressureman: you want really old stuff that always works?
[06:21] <thoreauputic> pressureman: low resource machines maybe
[06:21] <pressureman> no, i used debian sarge on about 30 servers in russia
[06:21] <naruto> :>
[06:21] <snowblink> thoreauputic, having problems with SCSI
[06:22] <pressureman> i'm just trying to decide whether to stick with debian (at least on desktops) since it's what i know and use, or venture out into the unknown with ubuntu
[06:22] <Dreamer3> naruto: www.rafb.net/paste, paste the ouput of lspci there please
[06:22] <bwlang> I see unknown symbol cpufreq_register_driver when i try to modprobe acpi_cpufreq or powernow_k6 - anybody know if it's possible to use cpufreq with an amd K7 processor ?
[06:23] <pressureman> (admittedly, installing ubuntu is a much nicer thought than installing fedora core)
[06:23] <thoreauputic> pressureman: I ahve both - it's not unknown with a debian background
[06:23] <topyli> pressureman: the only thing that comes to mind for debian on the desktop is the long release cycle -> long support, stable boxen for years without bothering users with any changes in their lives
[06:23] <Dreamer3> pressureman: ubuntu is hardly the unknown
[06:23] <Dreamer3> pressureman: it's simply debian with a nicer gnome and better maintained main
[06:23] <pressureman> Dreamer3: it is for me - i've only really discovered it!
[06:23] <Dreamer3> pressureman: (understatement)
[06:24] <Roey> I'm getting this when I boot my kernel:  "PANIC: Early Exception rip 10 error ffffffff80114072 cr2 0".  Anyone seen this message beore?
[06:24] <Dreamer3> it's debian
[06:24] <Dreamer3> Roey: no
[06:24] <Dreamer3> Roey: but you could try googling for it
[06:24] <naruto>  ouput of lspci  what this?
[06:24] <Roey> Dreamer3:  Idid
[06:24] <thoreauputic> pressureman: the differences are minimal: if you know debian, you will have no troubles
[06:24] <pressureman> apt is the most brilliant package system i've ever seen, so any distro that uses it wins my approval
[06:24] <Dreamer3> naruto: it's a command
[06:24] <Roey> Dreamer3:  I find a message about it saying daniels has fixed the asserts with it for Ubuntu.  I asked Dan Stone and he said he doesn't know about the error, he just fixed something unrelated.
[06:24] <topyli> pressureman: yeah, go for lindows ;)
[06:24] <Dreamer3> naruto: run it and paste the output at that url i gave you and give us a link
[06:25] <Dreamer3> naruto: you might have to hit ctrl-alt-f2 to get to a console...
[06:25] <pressureman> i've used slackware for about the last 7 years, and am getting a little sick and tired of 'configure; make; make install'
[06:25] <Dreamer3> Roey: no idea
[06:25] <Dreamer3> pressureman: that's the best way dude!
[06:25] <thoreauputic> pressureman: over 15 000 packages in main/universe/multiverse
[06:25] <pressureman> not on 30 servers it ain't
[06:25] <Dreamer3> pressureman: and linux from scratch, that's the holy grail of "i have no life and nothing better to do"
[06:26] <pdoms> hi guys, how can I get my mounted ntfs drive in 'my computer' as an icon?
[06:26] <pressureman> hahah, no thanks. i'm learning german because of that reason
[06:26] <Dreamer3> pressureman: well, at that point you package stuff obviously :)
[06:26] <netventure> hi
[06:26] <netventure> can someone help me configure a mail server?
[06:27] <pressureman> one day, when i get back home (new zealand), i'll rebuild my trusty old slackware box with debian sarge. in the meantime, i think i'll continue with ubuntu on my laptop
[06:27] <Dreamer3> netventure: that's a pretty tall order
[06:27] <pdoms> hi guys, how can I get my mounted ntfs drive in 'my computer' as an icon? Or is that impossible? :s:s
[06:27] <Dreamer3> pdoms: open up "computer" and drag it out?
[06:27] <topyli> netventure: if you get my p3nfs and irda working :)
[06:27] <pdoms> hmm, okey
[06:28] <pressureman> thoreauputic: i think you've pretty much summed it up than ubuntu is debian with nicer gnome and more polished - which suits me perfectly
[06:28] <naruto> ok i will back
[06:28] <pdoms> Is it btw possible to write on ntfs drives with basic ubuntu install?
[06:28] <netventure> dreamer3: :) Well, if not the exact commands/config files, can you tell me what are the steps
[06:28] <topyli> netventure: do you have a specific problem with it?
[06:28] <thoreauputic> pressureman: and a less abrasive community....
[06:28] <Dreamer3> netventure: nope, outside my knowledge domain
[06:28] <pressureman> err, yeah, things get a little political in the debian camp sometimes
[06:28] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: huh, debian has a community?
[06:29] <netventure> dreamer3: thanks anyways
[06:29] <netventure> topyli: Actually, I've never done it before
[06:29] <pressureman> now if i get just get linux for my ipaq...
[06:30] <pdoms> how's it possible to make a shortcut to a dir?
[06:30] <netventure> I can do the domain poining and all, but don't know where to go after that (sendmail or qmail or anythingelse)
[06:30] <topyli> netventure: just saying your request is a bit generic, no offense
[06:30] <bur[n] er> pressureman: put on the friendly thing...
[06:30] <netventure> topyli: I understand, but this is theonly place I know... on IRC
[06:31] <topyli> netventure: not sendmail, that's an easy choice. postfix, exim are easy to set up
[06:31] <pressureman> unfortunately it's not supported on my particular hardware yet
[06:31] <netventure> hmmm... how secure are postfix or exim?
[06:32] <seb-vdn> Hi all !
[06:32] <netventure> topyli: you sere something about getting p3nfs and irda to work...
[06:33] <seb-vdn> I have a capturing device,like pinnacle dc10+ ,how to work with ubuntu 5.04 ?
[06:33] <pdoms> Is writing on ntfs included on ubuntu 5.04?
[06:33] <pressureman> i look forward to the final release of hoary, and must say, my windows xp installation's days are numbered ;-)
[06:34] <thoreauputic> pdoms: if you mean an icon, just make a launcher with a command like `nautilus /path/to/dir
[06:34] <MFen> has anyone installed the experimental bugzilla? i can't figure out how to enable full-text search
[06:34] <i3dmaster> I got a weird problem but could not find out why... I loaded ubuntu hoary to a IBM NetVista desktop, everything runs fine if I don't lock my screen using xscreenserver. But everyday when I lock my screen and back home, on the other day I come, the box is lways hung, cannot do anything without reboot.
[06:34] <topyli> netventure: that's just something i've been working on for a couple of months that's all :)
[06:34] <i3dmaster> Where should I look at to identify the problem?
[06:34] <thoreauputic> pdoms: writing to ntfs is experimental
[06:34] <Dreamer3> i3dmaster: sounds like video issue
[06:34] <Dreamer3> i3dmaster: perhaps
[06:34] <pdoms> thoreauputic, but not included?
[06:35] <netventure> topyli: er... what is p3nfs?
[06:35] <pdoms> thoreauputic, thanks for icon
[06:35] <i3dmaster> Dreamer3: how to confirm that then?
[06:35] <Dreamer3> i3dmaster: or faulty memory/processor, etc... but if you're sure the system is solid the problem is likely somewhere with video/3d
[06:35] <thoreauputic> pdoms: writing to ntfs is still not a Good Idea (tm)
[06:35] <Dreamer3> i3dmaster: turn off xscreen saver and see if it keeps running
[06:35] <topyli> netventure: a daemon for mounting a nokia communicator and other psion/symbian devices on unixen
[06:36] <topyli> netventure: i can already mount the damn phone read-only, i'm working on write support :)
[06:36] <thoreauputic> pdoms: google ` captive ntfs ` for a possible way (I haven't tried it )
[06:36] <netventure> topyli: hmmm... I'm new to the cellphone world.... I've got to connect a nokia 6610 via IrDA to a WinXP PC
[06:37] <robzulah> whenever I start synaptec it gives me an error: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Ubuntu 4.10_Warty Warthog_-Preview powerpc Binary-1 (20041020) unstable/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%204.10%20%5fWarty%20Warthog%5f%20-%20Preview%20powerpc%20Binary-1%20(20041020)_dists_unstable_restricted_binary-powerpc_Packages) - stat (2 No such file of directory) - Anyone know why?
[06:37] <netventure> does the communicator use IrDA or is that via data-cable
[06:37] <pdoms> thoreauputic, i was just gonna ask you about it, if it's safe :)
[06:37] <pressureman> is anybody runnint gkismet under ubuntu?
[06:37] <saik0> gahhh I cant get my network printer working. can someone help a noob at such things.
[06:37] <topyli> netventure: yeah, it sucks. nokia is supposed to be a big open source company but their phones only support windows
[06:37] <i3dmaster> Dreamer3: Ya, I don't see any problem when I am using it. But just after I lock the screen. And it did not happen if I unlock it in a short time cause I tested it before. Seems like it only happens when the lock screen status has already been a while, like overnight
[06:38] <topyli> netventure: both
[06:38] <Dreamer3> i3dmaster: right
[06:38] <thoreauputic> pdoms: I don't know: a lot of people think it's risky ( anecdotal )
[06:38] <i3dmaster> Dreamer3: while the thing is I cannot leave it without lock it
[06:38] <mjr> topyli, and they want to screw us over by instituting EU software patents
[06:38] <Dreamer3> i3dmaster: what hardware?
[06:38] <topyli> mjr: sure. they would benefit
[06:38] <seb-vdn> I have a capturing device,like pinnacle dc10+ ,how to work with ubuntu 5.04 ? i'm newbie !
[06:38] <Dreamer3> i3dmaster: set "blank screen only" and give it a few days
[06:38] <Dreamer3> i3dmaster: if that works the problem is surely your video/3d
[06:38] <mjr> just noting another reason not to support them
[06:39] <Dreamer3> i3dmaster: what hardware?
[06:39] <netventure> topyli: what's your IrDA receiver device/chipset?
[06:39] <seb-vdn> I have a capturing device,a pinnacle dc10+ ,how to work with ubuntu 5.04 ?
[06:39] <topyli> mjr: yes. still waiting for others to make a device to match the communicator though :(
[06:39] <saik0> As far as the GUI goes, I can see 2 jobs in the 'Printers' window, but when I open up the printer there are'nt any there, and nothing is printing =\
[06:39] <i3dmaster> P4 2.8, 512DDR, 40G, VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01), Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01), Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82801BD PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller (rev 81)
[06:39] <airox> seb-vdn: Google.
[06:40] <topyli> netventure: a tekram serial dongle
[06:40] <TwEeT> Can anyone tell me what I need to download to get the libXft.so.1 library (im trying to use skype)
[06:40] <i3dmaster> those are the main hardware
[06:40] <topyli> netventure: but that's another issue. i'd prefer to use the cable
[06:40] <Dreamer3> i3dmaster: well, do what i said (blank screen) and see if that solves it
[06:40] <Dreamer3> i3dmaster: then if so you can start looking at  your graphics situation
[06:40] <i3dmaster> I wonder where I can look at
[06:40] <Dreamer3> i3dmaster: if that doesn't solve it it could be something else entirely, so i'd change it and come back to it later
[06:40] <netventure> reading LinuxIR
[06:41] <netventure> HOWTOs...
[06:41] <i3dmaster> Dreamer3: ok, I will try to put it to black screen or maybe I will just log out today and see what happens
[06:41] <topyli> netventure: i know it by heart. the dongle is hooked to the windows box these days, i get p3nfs read-only via cable which is half-good
[06:42] <agd`> hi guys i was wondering if someone could take me through adding new repositorys, ive just done a new install of ubuntu, completely lost on getting it done :S
[06:42] <blueyed> Anyone an idea how to get two different users access /dev/dsp (sound)? I cannot believe that this does not work by design (because only the first user can start esd)..
[06:42] <robzulah> I'm trying to install KDE, but I when I click on its package it tells me a bunch of others have to be installed as well.  So I go ahead and tell it to mark those, then another window pops up telling me all of those other packages have unresolved dependencies and wont be installed
[06:42] <blueyed> agd`, -> www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:42] <kent> Isn't there some package that builds statistics of apache-usage? I have forgotten the name of that package. Do some one know it?
[06:42] <Roey> I'm getting this when I boot my kernel:  "PANIC: Early Exception rip 10 error ffffffff80114072 cr2 0".  Anyone seen this message beore?
[06:42] <Roey> hmm
[06:42] <xMaximex> does ubuntu enable ssh connection by default ?
[06:42] <Roey> sorry bout the repeat..
[06:43] <thoreauputic> xMaximex: sudo apt-get install ssh
[06:43] <topyli> xMaximex: the server is not installed
[06:43] <xMaximex> shit
[06:43] <xMaximex> i cant install the server now
[06:43] <agd`> blueyed ive been there but still no luck :S a bit hapless
[06:44] <xMaximex> im connected to my windows machien via RPD and i'd like to restart to linux (automaticly) and connect to ssh
[06:44] <xMaximex> :(
[06:44] <blueyed> agd`, you can add them through synapsis or by editing /etc/apt/sourceslist.. no big deal really.
[06:44] <TwEeT> Can anyone tell me what I need to download to get the libXft.so.1 library (im trying to use skype)
[06:44] <blueyed> Anyone an idea how to get two different users access /dev/dsp (sound)? I cannot believe that this does not work by design (because only the first user can start esd)..
[06:45] <topyli> netventure: anyway, if you use ubuntu, you have postfix already installed, and working on localhost. setting up a full-fledged server takes half an hour if you know nothing to begin with
[06:46] <saik0> OK, so i got my ubuntu box to recognize my roomate's printer on his mac using cups and gimp-print. But I cant print to it...HUZZAH
[06:47] <CarlK> there isn't a tftp server in hoary main restricted
[06:47] <CarlK> hmm, ignor that for now...
[06:47] <thoreauputic> saik0: it might need the cups daemon to listen on port 631
[06:48] <louiej> anyone know what day hoary will be out?
[06:48] <thoreauputic> louiej: Friday
[06:48] <saik0> thoreauputic, which machine is 'it' I setup mine to and the other has no firewall running (scary)
[06:48] <langela> hello
[06:48] <louiej> thoreauputic, thx
[06:49] <thoreauputic> saik0: hmm... I remeber reading an ESR article about cups...
[06:49] <thoreauputic> saik0: it was a nightmare apparently
[06:50] <thoreauputic> saik0: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cups-horror.html
[06:50] <thoreauputic> saik0: he says how he got it to work
[06:52] <lamont> topyli: and 2 minutes if you know what to change where...
[06:53] <topyli> lamont: yes. 10 seconds if you have old config files floating around on backups :)
[06:54] <lamont> warty install: edit /etc/postfix/master.cf; hoary install: fix main.cf.  upgrade? probably both
[06:54] <lamont> topyli: yeah
[06:54] <agd`> ok it just let me open sources.list to edit it, but wont let me save it, when i cp it, it says
[06:54] <agd`> ~ $ sudo cp /ect/apt/sources.list
[06:54] <agd`> cp: missing destination file
[06:55] <Roey> hi
[06:55] <Bazzi> agd` you dont save files with cp, lol.
[06:55] <michael> hello.
[06:55] <Roey> is gcc 3.4.3 going to go into Ubuntu before the Release?
[06:55] <agd`> i didnt say i tried saving with cp
[06:55] <agd`> i tried saving with nano
[06:55] <agd`> it says permission denied
[06:55] <Bazzi> well, cp is to copy files, logically you have to specify a name for the duplicate
[06:55] <thor|coffeebreak> agd`:  ctrl-X in nano
[06:55] <Bazzi> sudo vim :)
[06:56] <agd`> oh lol i thought cp was for changing file permissions lol
[06:56] <Bazzi> lol
[06:56] <Bazzi> chmod is for permission
[06:56] <CarlK> apt-get install tftpd-hpa sets up /etc/default/tftpd-hpa with RUN_DAEMON="no" - why wouldn't it default to "yes" ?
[06:56] <agd`> ye but thor if i x out of nano will it append the file for me?
[06:56] <Bazzi> bla nano
[06:57] <Bazzi> use vim, the one and only!
[06:57] <thor|coffeebreak> agd`: it will ask for confirmation and save it if you say yes
[06:57] <agd`> i tried thor, still says permission denied when i say yes to save and confirm the save
[06:58] <Bazzi> agd` did u use sudo to start nano?
[06:58] <thor|coffeebreak> agd`: um... sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:58] <TwEeT> Has anyone got skype to work with hoary?
[06:58] <spanglesontoast> not sure
[06:58] <spanglesontoast> mite install it in a mo
[06:58] <agd`> yes thorn i did
[06:58] <thor|coffeebreak> agd`: you can't write to that file without root privileges, hence sudo
[06:59] <blueyed> agd`, it's all here: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/temp/#extrarepositories
[06:59] <blueyed> in /temp is the working version for the hoary release.
[06:59] <thor|coffeebreak> agd`: it's impossible it would deny you write access with sudo
[07:00] <agd`> weird thor i open it without sudo and it shows file content
[07:00] <agd`> i try to sudo nano to open the file
[07:00] <agd`> and it brings up blank and says new file down by the menu curses
[07:00] <agd`> :S
[07:00] <thor|coffeebreak> agd`: you've somehow moved the file
[07:01] <thor|coffeebreak> agd`: is all I can think
[07:01] <bwlang> anybody know how i can find out if my cpu supports cpufreq ?
[07:01] <thor|coffeebreak> agd`: if it's there, is it correctly named?
[07:01] <agd`> yes it is
[07:01] <agd`> only diff is without sudo
[07:01] <agd`> the content shows
[07:01] <thor|coffeebreak> agd`: not possible
[07:01] <agd`> and when i use sudo the file content doesnt show
[07:01] <keats_> hi. i can't play mp3s using rhinthmbox after installing gstreamer 0.8-mad
[07:02] <keats_> any ideas ?
[07:02] <thor|coffeebreak> keats_: check the volumes/mute switches in alsamixer
[07:02] <birger> After dist-upgrading to hoary, gdesklets was removed and when I reinstall gdesklets, none of them work. Is this common?
[07:03] <TwEeT> Hello?
[07:03] <spanglesontoast> hmmm still can't get skype to work
[07:03] <keats_> thor|coffeebreak, it's not that i can't hear the mp3 cause i can head other sounds linke gnome sounds, but i just can't listen to mp3s
[07:04] <jefis> checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[07:04] <jefis> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[07:04] <jefis> See `config.log' for more details.
[07:04] <jefis> root@localhost:/usr/src/xchat-2.4.3 # vi config.log
[07:04] <jefis> wtf?
[07:04] <chefkoch-2002> kann ich in die sources.list auch normale debian server nehmen
[07:04] <jefis> any ideas?
[07:04] <chefkoch-2002> ich will xmms-mpg123 installieren, aber der findet das nicht
[07:05] <thoreauputic> jefis: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[07:05] <keats_> so other ideas ?
[07:05] <Bazzi> chefkoch-2002 google ubuntu marillat repository
[07:07] <jefis> thoreauputic: nop
[07:07] <jefis> doesn't work ether
[07:07] <keats_> and the sound device is regonised because as i said earlier i can hear to sounds gnome makes
[07:07] <neighborlee> is the release still slated for april 8th...I can't imagine that..I just had evolution crrash ( or was it glibc or gnome or or or ) and it took the desktop with it...except it seems ( so far ?) good ole trusty xchat LOL ???
[07:08] <thoreauputic> jefis: you installed build-essential and still get the cpp error?
[07:08] <jefis> thoreauputic: tell me some comands how to download all the main sources
[07:08] <whiskers> hah...does everyone see the PdRipImage program
[07:08] <jefis> nop, now cpp works
[07:08] <jefis> checking for GLIB - version >= 2.0.3... no
[07:08] <jefis> *** Could not run GLIB test program, checking why...
[07:08] <jefis> *** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the
[07:08] <jefis> *** exact error that occured. This usually means GLIB is incorrectly installed.
[07:08] <jefis> configure: error: "Cannot find glib"
[07:08] <jefis> :D
[07:08] <topyli> jefis: that proves it. C++ is insane ;)
[07:08] <whiskers> they are now ripping images from pdf documents
[07:08] <whiskers> ha ha
[07:08] <thoreauputic> jefis: umm - which sources? What do you mean?
[07:09] <jefis> all includes, etc
[07:09] <jefis> libs bla bla bla and so on
[07:09] <saik0> thoreauputic, if it's this hard to print out an application I deserver to get the job sole based on the ability to mail it in
[07:09] <thoreauputic> saik0: :)
[07:09] <birger> anyone else with gdesklets troubles in hoary?
[07:09] <dockane> what does that mean : "Note that since 2.6.10, there is also the ondemand governor in the kernel, which replaces any userspace daemon for cpu scaling and works very well."
[07:09] <cowbud> birger: define troubles..
[07:09] <dockane> what is governor ?
[07:09] <spanglesontoast> ah skype needs a lib installed
[07:10] <neighborlee> birger, hoary is still trouble some PERIOD ;-)
[07:10] <thoreauputic> jefis: missing dev packages?
[07:10] <jefis> yee
[07:10] <neighborlee> birger, I love it but its a biotch atm  ;-)
[07:10] <Loki_VA> hi ppl
[07:11] <neighborlee> jefis, you just need glibc-dev or whatever its called most likely...
[07:11] <birger> All right, I'll wait a few weeks and see
[07:11] <thoreauputic> jefis: why are you compiling xchat? Is that what you are trying to compile?
[07:11] <saik0> thoreauputic, it was detected automatically...very nice, but it's useless I get Ready: Unable to lookup host 'jpcook-computer.local' - Unknown host. Is there a conf file somewhere so I can try chaning it to the ip?
[07:11] <jefis> thoreauputic: i changed source a little bit >:)
[07:11] <Loki_VA> what package system does ubuntu use or is it all from source?
[07:11] <whiskers> pdfripimage...there is no limit to what can be ripped
[07:12] <thoreauputic> saik0: /etc/hosts
[07:12] <thoreauputic> saik0: put the IP in there
[07:13] <thoreauputic> saik0: like                     192.168.0.4 alterego    for example
[07:13] <whiskers> and it looks like they also ripped the logitech webcam codec....ha  ha
[07:13] <thoreauputic> where alterego is the machine
[07:13] <whiskers> this is funny
[07:14] <naruto> Dreamer3
[07:14] <TwEeT> Has anyone got skype to work with hoary?
[07:14] <TwEeT> I tried the .deb package
[07:14] <jefis> with ubuntu 1024x768@85hz,  with windows my monitor works 1024x768@100hz , how to make more hz at ubuntu?
[07:14] <naruto> naruto@kozieglowy:~$startx
[07:14] <naruto> Fata serwer terror:
[07:14] <naruto> Serwer is already active for display 0 If this serwer is no longer running remove /ymp/.XO-lock and start again
[07:14] <naruto> Please consult the The X.Org Fundation at http://wiki.x.org for help
[07:14] <naruto> Xlib:connection to :0.0 refused by server
[07:14] <TwEeT> but it won't launch
[07:14] <naruto> Xlib:Invalid MIT-Magic-cookie-1     giving up
[07:14] <naruto> Xinit:unable to connect to x server
[07:14] <naruto> Xinit:no such process (error 3): server error
[07:14] <dabi> i really need help.. i was updating my hoarty and when updating x screensaver the pc keep going slow and slow until freezed.. i shut rebootted and now got many errors.. what should i do?
[07:14] <naruto> Fatal server error*
[07:14] <whiskers> TwEeT, how would we know...you have to have someones' ip
[07:15] <saik0> thoreauputic, that seems to have resolved it, looks like the 2 machines are talking now. lets see if it prints =)
[07:15] <thoreauputic> jefis: sudo apt-get build-dep xchat
[07:15] <whiteknight> everyone , i was just thinking when hoary is officially released this channel is going to go crazy!
[07:15] <jefis> what's dep?
[07:15] <jefis> oh
[07:15] <jefis> :)
[07:15] <jefis> i see
[07:15] <dockane> now i am gettin closer to my speedstep problem......
[07:16] <whiskers> skype doesn't even show up in synaptic here
[07:16] <naruto> i cant run X
[07:16] <naruto> ;/
[07:16] <thoreauputic> whiskers: no it's commercial/non-free
[07:16] <whiskers> thoreauputic, oh...i see
[07:16] <dockane> cat   /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_min_freq  gives back 650000 : thats far too much
 What do you mean?
[07:17] <RichardC> i hope this isnt stupid, but what makes ubuntu linux for me?
[07:17] <jefis> thoreauputic: so : sudo apt-get build-dep kopete kopete <-- will get all depend?ies for kopete?
[07:17] <whiteknight> RichardC, just try it and see how it feels
[07:18] <thoreauputic> jefis: for compiling, yes - but only if the package you are compiling confoems to the ecpected dependencies
[07:18] <thoreauputic> *conforms
[07:18] <RichardC> what is the difference between installing from live cd and from the install cd?
[07:19] <jefis> i see :)
[07:19] <whiskers> RichardC, the live CD is for using partimage to clone non-active partitions
 What do you mean?
[07:19] <thoreauputic> jefis: for instance, if you have the latest and greatest source code, the deps might be too new
[07:20] <whiskers> TwEeT, with regard to what
[07:20] <RichardC> can i install like normal from the live cd though?
[07:20] <thoreauputic> RichardC: one is possible and the other isn't?
 Skype
[07:20] <whiskers> RichardC, no the live CD is already a system...by itself...you use it to clone partitions
[07:20] <TwEeT> "TwEeT, how would we know...you have to have someones' ip"
[07:21] <RichardC> ok
[07:21] <whiskers> RichardC, does not require installation
[07:21] <RichardC> i know it doesnt require an installation
[07:21] <RichardC> but most live cds ive used also allow you to install the distro from them
[07:21] <whiskers> TwEeT, well i tested gnome-meeting sometime back on gentoo and i had to have one person's ip
[07:21] <TwEeT> No
[07:21] <RichardC> like the gentoo, morphix, and knoppix live cds
[07:21] <TwEeT> I'm trying to launch skype
[07:21] <whiskers> TwEeT, it worked but there is no way to know everyones ip
[07:22] <thoreauputic> whiskers: you can use a central IP exchange point ( gnome-meeting has a registry of some kind)
[07:22] <TwEeT> Has anyone successfully installed skype on hoary?
[07:23] <whiskers> thoreauputic, well most people are trying to protect their ip with peerguardian2 and other similar programs
[07:23] <osity> hey ....has anyone raided ubuntu?  Mirroring?
[07:24] <RichardC> also, do torrents on every ubuntu mirror use the same tracker?
[07:24] <thoreauputic> whiskers: your IP appears to be 68.90.46.129
[07:24] <whiskers> thoreauputic, yes you are correct...sad that i am not able to protect it
[07:25] <thoreauputic> whiskers: :)
[07:25] <bur[n] er> anyone have the gnomebaker.deb for hoary?  The site seems to be down
[07:26] <TwEeT> I wish someone has installed skype on hoary
[07:26] <jefis> TwEeT: www.skype.com and download binary
[07:26] <TwEeT> The .deb?
[07:26] <dockane> TwEeT, tried it but it didnt work, some library was missing
[07:26] <jefis> binary
[07:27] <whiskers> bur[n] er, yes i have it but how to transfer it to you
[07:27] <TwEeT> There is an ubuntu deb, and yes, i had the same problem as dockane with the qt compiled
[07:27] <thoreauputic> there's a static binary I believe
[07:27] <jefis> yes there is
[07:27] <jefis> with q3.3
[07:27] <flapjackboy> hello everyone
[07:27] <jefis> qt
[07:27] <TwEeT> what is the command for it to automatically download dependencies when i install it?
[07:27] <flapjackboy> can anyone give me a hand with an ubuntu install problem?
[07:28] <saik0> thoreauputic, HUZZAH! It works! Silly Macs and their silly host names =\
[07:28] <whiskers> flapjackboy, what is the problem
[07:28] <bur[n] er> whiskers: got a webserver you can post it to? :)
[07:28] <thoreauputic> saik0: \o/
[07:28] <bur[n] er> i can give you ftp access too
[07:28] <thoreauputic> saik0: yay!
[07:28] <bur[n] er> i don't think my dcc is all that happy for some reason
[07:28] <whiskers> bur[n] er, no i don't have a webserver....i could fire up a p2p app or something
[07:28] <dockane> bur[n] er, bin paste i sometimes usefull
[07:28] <dockane> *is
[07:28] <whiskers> bur[n] er, or it may be possible to use xdcc but i don't know how
[07:29] <flapjackboy> thanks :) im trying to install Ubuntu, and i select ath0 (my wifi card) to use during install. the installer wont see my router though (cant even see the ESSID), and DHCP it doesnt like. I configged it manually but it just doesnt see the router
[07:29] <bur[n] er> no worries bout xdcc whiskers
[07:29] <dockane> whiskers, drop file on a nickname ?
[07:29] <bur[n] er> i'll give you ftp
[07:29] <whiskers> dockane, just drag it to his name
[07:29] <thoreauputic> rofl @ thor_is_the_cool
[07:29] <flapjackboy> as a result the installer gets stuck on "testing network repository"
[07:29] <dockane> whiskers, yes
[07:29] <whiskers> dockane, ok i will try
[07:29] <TwEeT> what is the command for it to automatically download dependencies when i install it?
[07:30] <bur[n] er> whiskers: PM with my ssh info :)
[07:30] <dockane> whiskers, do you use x chat ?
[07:30] <whiskers> ok bur[n] er the file is waiting for you
[07:30] <bur[n] er> i don' tknow how to accept in irssi ;)
[07:30] <whiskers> bur[n] er, i guess you use xdcc to receive it
[07:30] <bur[n] er> one sec
[07:31] <dockane> TwEeT, how do you try to install skype ?
[07:31] <bur[n] er> [11:31]  DCC no file offered by whiskers
 dpkg -i skype*.deb
[07:31] <whiskers> bur[n] er, strange i see an xchat file send list here
[07:31] <topyli> heh. i was a good boy and set up gaim so my msn/yahoo/aim buddies can keep in touch. end result: all i do is irc with the lousiest irc client around with all my IM buddies offline all the time :)
[07:31] <bur[n] er> whiskers: it's not going right?
[07:32] <whiskers> bur[n] er, beats me...i could just go get a p2p app
[07:32] <jefis> hey
[07:32] <jefis> any good p2p apps?
 I also tried the compiled way and i was missing libxft.so.1
[07:32] <jefis> i remmeber in arklinux one good but can't remmeber name...
[07:32] <topyli> bur[n] er, whiskers: i can put it on the web
[07:32] <burner> whiskers: try to send to me again?  (btw, you have port forwarding set up to xchat?)
[07:32] <whiskers> bur[n] er, when you use xchat to file receive you don't get anything
[07:33] <burner> ?
[07:33] <burner> xchat has worked to dcc for me before
[07:33] <whiskers> bur[n] er, it is still waiting...i have not aborted it
[07:33] <burner> try to this nick :)
[07:33] <burner> irssi wasn't gettin it for some reason
[07:33] <burner> well crap
[07:34] <zenrox> burner,  are you bhind a router
[07:34] <jefis> yeeeeee, i will compile xchat :)
[07:34] <UbuntuFool> hello folks, just a quickie, when is the Ubuntu 5.04 scheduled for final release?
[07:34] <burner> i am
[07:34] <burner> but i can still accept
[07:34] <burner> it depends on the sender to map ports for dcc
[07:35] <burner> not hte receiver
[07:35] <zenrox> burner,
[07:35] <whiskers> bur[n] er, well i just don't know how to use this stuff
[07:35] <burner> no worries whiskers
[07:35] <dockane> TwEeT, here is  libXft.so.1 missing too but i took the binaries
[07:35] <burner> whiskers: email?
[07:35] <burner> :)
[07:35] <burner> it's small i'm sure
[07:35] <keats_> what i don't get is the fact that you can't use hell know what application when the fucking repository is broken
[07:35] <whiskers> bur[n] er, ok i can try email...do you have an email address
[07:35] <burner> i'll put it up somewhere for download then too
[07:35] <keats_> so broken i can't even install ssh
[07:35] <burner> whiskers: i msged you with my email address
[07:36] <whiskers> bur[n] er, ok i will try evolution and see if it works
[07:36] <burner> whiskers: good luck, thanks :)
[07:36] <dockane> TwEeT, btw where did you get the source from ? thought skype is closed source
[07:37] <UbuntuFool> source is available for skype on the website
[07:37] <UbuntuFool> i think
[07:38] <whiskers> bur[n] er, i just don't know how to use any of this stuff...maybe you will get the email or maybe not...i don't know
[07:38] <whiskers> bur[n] er, but i did send it
[07:38] <bur[n] er> lol
[07:39] <bur[n] er> do you have an email account you set up in evolution?
[07:39] <x_or> I am trying to install mplayer, but I keep getting errors with synaptic:  mplayer-k6 Depends:  libartsc0 but is not going to be installed.  How do I rectify this?
[07:39] <whiskers> bur[n] er, yes...
[07:39] <UbuntuFool> sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:40] <whiskers> bur[n] er, let me know if you get email from george
[07:40] <jefis> when i build xchat looks like crap, in others dist it looks more better :(
[07:41] <jefis> look's like gnome theme ...
[07:41] <shining_> hi
[07:41] <thoreauputic> jefis: mine looks just fine here
[07:42] <jefis> thoreauputic: you using gnome or kde?
[07:42] <thoreauputic> jefis: gnome
[07:42] <jefis> i use kde3.4
[07:42] <jefis> :/
[07:42] <shining_> so there is no way supported by ubuntu to copy an audio cd ?
[07:42] <thoreauputic> jefis: well, it's a gtk2 app AFAIK
[07:42] <jefis> but in others distributions it look reall good, with fine theme
[07:42] <jefis> heh
[07:43] <thoreauputic> you need the gtk-qt  theme engine, or whatever it's called
[07:43] <whiskers> burner, did you get any email yet
[07:44] <jefis> downloading :)
[07:45] <jefis> thoreauputic: i need to rebuild xchat i think, do i have to use specific flags?
[07:45] <dockane> what is the command to rename a file (command line) ?
[07:45] <nick58b> dockane: mv
[07:45] <thoreauputic> jefis: I have no idea, sorry
 Ya but the binary needs that lib
[07:46] <thoreauputic> saik0: did I stop being cool ?  *grin*
[07:46] <burner> sure did whiskers
[07:46] <thoreauputic> haha
[07:47] <bur[n] er> thanks whiskers
[07:47] <whiskers> bur[n] er, ok..well i don't know how you get the attachment...but the file is there for you
[07:47] <dockane> TwEeT, i got the same lib but with a 2. i am now trying to link it. maybe it works :P
 let me know if it does
[07:47] <thor_still_cool> thoreauputic, so on the subject of cross-desktop styling =) is there a way to make my QT apps (all 1 of them) look more 'human'
[07:48] <thoreauputic> thor_still_cool: I don't know - making KDE look human would be a challenge ;-)
[07:48] <thoreauputic> j/k
[07:48] <bur[n] er> http://burner.ath.cx/gnomebaker_0.3-3ubuntu1_i386.deb
[07:48] <bur[n] er> there's the file for anyone else interested... if topyli is
[07:49] <apokryphos> There's a kubuntu human-theme wallpaper out, but kubuntu decided to go down with KDE colour-wise, rather than Ubuntu.
[07:49] <topyli> bur[n] er: oh i have it. i was offering to put it on the web myself :)
[07:49] <dockane> TwEeT, nope
[07:50] <Dreamer3> i'm tring to get getmail4 working but it is saying: ImportError:  No module named getmailcore
[07:50] <Dreamer3> any ideas?
[07:50] <Dreamer3> getmail3 has become unusable for me
[07:50] <thor_still_cool> thoreauputic, honestly tho, is there an equivelent to gtk-qt for styling QT apps in gnome
[07:50] <Amaranth> thor_still_cool: No.
[07:50] <solidape> i can't seem to get lirc to control vlc... anyone have any ideas?
[07:51] <naruto> Dreamer3
[07:51] <naruto> look
[07:51] <naruto> naruto@kozieglowy:~$startx
[07:51] <naruto> Fata serwer terror:
[07:51] <naruto> Serwer is already active for display 0 If this serwer is no longer running remove /ymp/.XO-lock and start again
[07:51] <naruto> Please consult the The X.Org Fundation at http://wiki.x.org for help
[07:51] <naruto> Xlib:connection to :0.0 refused by server
[07:51] <naruto> Xlib:Invalid MIT-Magic-cookie-1     giving up
[07:51] <naruto> Xinit:unable to connect to x server
[07:51] <naruto> Xinit:no such process (error 3): server error
[07:51] <thoreauputic> thor_still_cool: I really don't know - maybe a KDE / Qt person could tell you
[07:51] <Dreamer3> naruto: please do not flood the channel
[07:51] <Dreamer3> naruto: www.pastebin.com
[07:51] <thoreauputic> naruto: bad boy!
[07:51] <naruto> ;/
[07:51] <Dreamer3> naruto: that's because X is already running on your other display
[07:51] <apokryphos> thor_still_cool: now, why would you want to do that. ;-)
[07:51] <shining_> naruto: whats a Serwer btw ?
[07:51] <Dreamer3> naruto: why did i ask you to go to a console again, i forgot?
[07:51] <TwEeT> I'm sad
[07:52] <TwEeT> all i want is my skype to work
[07:52] <enricod> hello... i burned both hoary and warty, but when i boot with those cds inside my computer just ignores them and boots from the HDD... which is strange since knoppix, from where i'm typing now, works
[07:52] <naruto> i cant log on in X
[07:52] <thor_still_cool> Amaranth, sheesh, I even got my wine apps looking somewhat nice. Well then k3b will forever look ugly until gnomebaker matures a bit
[07:52] <Dreamer3> naruto: killall -9 esd at the prompt
[07:52] <perce> how can i install .deb from console?
[07:52] <Dreamer3> naruto: `killall -9 esd` at the prompt
[07:52] <Amaranth> how did you get your wine apps looking nice?
[07:52] <naruto> i pusch log on..and nothing..startmusic and brown screen
[07:52] <naruto> ah..
[07:52] <naruto> ;/
[07:52] <shining_> enricod: you burn them like knoppix .
[07:52] <shining_> ?
[07:53] <Amaranth> thor_still_cool: Usually people that care about making QT and GTK look the same will use the GTK-QT engine or will use a theme that has GTK and QT versions.
[07:53] <enricod> yes, i did burn them like knoppix
[07:54] <Dreamer3> naruto: run `killall -9 esd` from the prompt
[07:54] <naruto> and?
[07:54] <jefis> i got gt2-qt-engine and i looks same crapy :)
[07:54] <enricod> their md5s are okay, too
[07:54] <solidape> anyone got lirc running on their comp that could help me out for a sec?
[07:54] <Dreamer3> naruto: and check and see if it died
[07:54] <Dreamer3> naruto: ps -Af | grep esd
[07:57] <perce> how can i install .deb from console?
[07:57] <vpalle> how do i change the default language/locale in ubuntu?
[07:57] <naruto> ok.. ctrl+alt+f2 login..pass.and "killall -9 esd" and startx again?
[07:57] <vpalle> hoary
[07:57] <Dreamer3> enricod: then ctrl-alt-f7 and see if it's starting up
[07:57] <naruto> if no?
[07:58] <soto> perce: dpkg -i nowe345.deb
[07:58] <dockane> does anybody have a solution for the library missing error when starting skype ?
[07:58] <jefis> where to get library qt-mt
[07:58] <jefis> with kynaptic i can't get it
[07:58] <Dreamer3> naruto: no
[07:58] <jefis> and can't compile some software
[07:59] <jefis> :(
[07:59] <Dreamer3> naruto: after killing esd go back to ctrl+alt+f7 and see if it's working
[07:59] <naruto> if dosent work?
[07:59] <Dreamer3> naruto: then come back
[07:59] <naruto> what i shuld do?
[07:59] <naruto> ok
[07:59] <Dreamer3> naruto: and if it does come back, cuase this isn't a permanent solution
[08:00] <naruto> qh
[08:00] <naruto> i dont have root
[08:00] <naruto> i thin.. is off
[08:00] <enricod> Dreamer3: when should i press ctrl-alt-f7? when i boot with the ubuntu cd, it just boots into grub as though the cd was not there. when i boot with knoppix inside, it boots from cd.  the ubuntu linux cds are okay, since i burned three of them, and two different versions
[08:00] <Dreamer3> enricod: n/m :)
[08:00] <Dreamer3> enricod: was talking to naruto
[08:00] <naruto> bunt i console i must write pass
[08:01] <Dreamer3> enricod: weird
[08:01] <naruto> and...i dont seted this..
[08:01] <Dreamer3> naruto: after you kill esd, go back to X (ctrl+alt+f7) and see if it's working
[08:02] <enricod> i have a recent computer, a 9 month old dell, so it shouldn't be a compatibility problem...
[08:02] <naruto> i need root to use kill -9?
[08:02] <apokryphos> naruto: it depends on what you're killing
[08:02] <soto> vpalle: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales   # to change locales in hoary
[08:03] <vpalle> soto, thx
[08:03] <naruto> allkill
[08:03] <naruto> ;p
[08:03] <naruto> ok..
[08:03] <apokryphos> heh
[08:03] <merphix> hello
[08:03] <apokryphos> bash: allkill: command not found..... darn.
[08:03] <naruto> ok i will back
[08:03] <rattboi> killall
[08:04] <vpalle> soto, that only generates the locales, how do i select the default?
[08:05] <snybole> How can I manage my apt in fluxbox? If I want to use the same as used in gnome?
[08:05] <solidape> i got lirc working halfway (i can control the mouse), now i need it to control vlc... any tips?
[08:05] <snybole> is there a command I could type in through a terminal?
[08:05] <apokryphos> snybole: use Synaptic, then.#
[08:07] <saik0> Does ubuntu have a script for resatrting samba?
[08:07] <martinhj> snybole, "aptitude" (for terminal) works well
[08:08] <snybole> thanks to both
[08:08] <eric_> I have a really strange problem, /var/www contain 2 directories that have the same uid and gid; both have 0770 perms and are owned by user:www-data.  However, apache can read one of them while it can't read the other.  anyone can help ??
[08:09] <martinhj> snybole, (because, when I use fluxbox, I like to use terminal programs:-)
[08:09] <snybole> same here :)
[08:10] <snybole> One more question though, I have 2 soundcards in my computer, an onboard (crappy) one and a soundblaster, alsamixer is using my onboard, someone knows how I can change this?
[08:11] <Dreamer3> dum de dum
[08:11] <zyga> snybole: disable your onboard card in bios
[08:11] <zyga> snybole: easiest way possible
[08:11] <snybole> alright
[08:11] <thully> Hi, I'm trying to use netapplet with Hoary, and it works well except it crashes whenever I resume my laptop from suspend-to-disk.  Is there any fix for this issue?
[08:11] <perce> how can i enable dma acc. to my cd burner?
[08:12] <snybole> I'll have to reboot then, be right back
[08:13] <soto> vpalle, do you have more than one locale selected ? you could try  "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales", check the /etc/locales.gen file for UTF-8
[08:13] <solidape> i got lirc working halfway (i can control the mouse), now i need it to control vlc... any tips?
[08:15] <naruto> ;/
[08:15] <naruto> this sux
[08:16] <naruto> maybe i shuld install debian..
[08:16] <Detten> seems like the forcedeth module is bugged :/
[08:16] <naruto> :[
[08:16] <thundrcleeze> What's wrong, naruto
[08:16] <vpalle> soto, thx again
[08:17] <naruto> ubuntu dosent work
[08:17] <trygvebw> Hi! Where can i download the/a Kubuntu and Ubuntu CD label?
[08:17] <glaure> hi, how to write a bugreport to a hoary universe package like "waproamd". Bugzilla seems tp delegate to another zope site where the bugzilla acoount does not work...
[08:18] <thundrcleeze> I'm getting an error myself.  How can I resolve the error "Fatal server error: no screens found" when it tries to start x?
[08:18] <zenrox> thundrcleeze, whats your vid card
[08:19] <thundrcleeze> nvidia geforce.
[08:19] <naruto> Dreamer3
[08:19] <naruto> ;/
[08:19] <airmikey> i need orbit-2.0
[08:19] <tolstoy-> wow.  scrolling up in firefox by grabbing the thumbnail and sliding upwards freezes X.  i'm thinking this is not a good thing.
[08:19] <perce> how can i enable dma acc. to my cd burner?
[08:20] <zenrox> thundrcleeze,  didja sudo apt-get nvidia-glx linux-restected-modules thatmatch your kernel
[08:20] <glaure> perce : hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrw
[08:20] <jefis> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[08:20] <jefis> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[08:20] <jefis> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[08:20] <jefis> i should download kde-dev?
[08:20] <trygvebw> ?
[08:20] <airmikey> isee that python2.4-pyorbit is loaded
[08:20] <perce> glaure: ty
[08:20] <thundrcleeze> zenrox, it's been working fine before, I just updated and smart installed everything and it broke when I restart.
[08:21] <zenrox> thundrcleeze, login thru the console
[08:22] <zenrox> and do a sudo modprobe nvidia
[08:22] <pngai> Anybody get cryptsetup working on Hoary?
[08:22] <zenrox> thundrcleeze, then a sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[08:22] <pngai> I'm getting "Command failed: Incompatible libdevmapper 1.00.19-ioctl (2004-07-03)(compat) and kernel driver"
[08:23] <thundrcleeze> Still not luck, zenrox.  It's giving me the same error, but it says there is an API mismatch, nvidia kernel module is ver. 7.1.0 but the x module is version 1.0.7174.
[08:24] <zenrox> thundrcleeze,  reboot
[08:24] <zenrox> do a sudo reboot
[08:24] <zenrox> and it should be fine
[08:24] <zenrox> thundrcleeze,  i just got that update and i had to reboot
[08:24] <thundrcleeze> Thanks, zenrox.  I'll try that.
[08:26] <naruto> hey
[08:26] <naruto> what i shuld do..when: I have startscreen.. i must write login and pass.. i write this.. and i push log on.... i hear startmiusic and  i wait for systemstart..but..nothing is happening.. i have only brown screen... :/ and i must restart my computer
[08:26] <airmikey> Package 'ORBit-2.0', required by 'PyORBit', not found
[08:26] <naruto> my ubuntu is after instalation
[08:27] <thundrcleeze> zenrox, nope, still the same, only this time it's a hard freeze on the error message.
[08:27] <zenrox> thundrcleeze, hmmm was the word nvidia was put in /etc/modules
[08:28] <naruto> Can anyone help me?
[08:28] <naruto> :>
[08:28] <emann> .... hehe, yeah... I would like to get some help aswell...
[08:29] <naruto> :P
[08:29] <thundrcleeze> zenrox, what to you mean?
[08:29] <apokryphos> naruto: it could be several things, but doesn't seem to be a problem with X. Could be permissions, just GNOME (for a reason I wouldn't know). Have you tried logging into another DE/
[08:29] <knubbze> hi
[08:29] <knubbze> how to take a screenshot?
[08:29] <knubbze> I'm in Xfce4 at the moment
[08:29] <zenrox> thundrcleeze, didja follow http://www.ubuntuguide.org/temp for nvidia install
[08:29] <elem3nt> Hi, just wondering, is ntfs supported ?
[08:30] <emann> I was using the ubuntu 5.04 on my lappie. I closed the lid somuch that the lappie tried to enter @sleep mode@ or something like that. And when i booted up the next time everything was gone....
[08:30] <apokryphos> knubbze: you can use ImageMagick for it, if you have it.
[08:30] <zenrox> elem3nt,  only for read ntfs
[08:30] <naruto> DE?
[08:30] <naruto> whats this?
[08:30] <emann> ... I might be newbie... but I still find it a little bit strange... >P
[08:30] <apokryphos> naruto: Desktop Environment
[08:30] <naruto> GNOME KDA?
[08:31] <elem3nt> zenrox that all I need, thanks for the info
[08:31] <LeeColleton> how do I change the volume name of a flash disk?
[08:31] <naruto> yeah.. i tried...
[08:31] <bofh__> Can anyone help me change soundcard interface from car0 to card1 in ubuntu hoare
[08:31] <emann> But then again - it\s always nice to get suprices... was just wondering if any of you had any problem like that..
[08:31] <apokryphos> naruto: GNOME/KDE etc.
[08:31] <naruto> the same effect...
[08:31] <apokryphos> naruto: what? Same problem on KDE?
[08:31] <thundrcleeze> yeah, it's been working fine for a couple of months now, zenrox.  Just after I updated yesterday it's had this problem.
[08:31] <LeeColleton> emann: what do you mean by everything gone?  was the disk wiped?
[08:31] <naruto> yes
[08:32] <bofh__> or is there a channel dedicated to help on this server?
[08:32] <zenrox> thundrcleeze,  hmm casue i just rebooted and it updated the driver
[08:32] <apokryphos> naruto: hmm, and this is a fresh installation, or not?
[08:32] <naruto> i had Live CD
[08:32] <tenz> anybody works with Muse 7.1?
[08:32] <thoreauputic> bofh__: this is it
[08:32] <naruto> and..this same effect
[08:32] <emann> Kinda, The programs was still there, but i lost all my music, doc, pictures...
[08:32] <apokryphos> naruto: hmm, could possibly be X stuff, could be permission stuff, but I'm really quit esure KDE wouldn't freeze up
[08:33] <apokryphos> *quite sure
[08:33] <naruto> Ubuntu 5.04 RE
[08:33] <emann> And i had to add accounts to Gaim again, and tell rythembox where i had my music...
[08:33] <emann> and lost bookmarks in firefox etc, etc...
[08:34] <thundrcleeze> Any suggestions, zenrox?  Update the driver again, or is there a way to rollback to the previous driver?
[08:34] <naruto> apokryphos.. on my old computer this version is working
[08:34] <bofh__> can anyone help me change soundcard interface?
[08:35] <naruto> maybe problem with SATA disc?
[08:35] <apokryphos> hmm
[08:35] <naruto> i dont know..
[08:36] <kaltsi> hello
[08:36] <naruto> apokryphos>apokryphos>apokryphos>
[08:36] <naruto> ;] 
[08:37] <naruto> any sygestion?
[08:37] <apokryphos> hi :)
[08:37] <naruto> ;] 
[08:37] <apokryphos> naruto: so this CD is the RC?
[08:37] <trygvebw> Where can i download the/a Kubuntu and Ubuntu CD label?
[08:37] <zenrox> thundrcleeze, try updating agine make shure every thang is fine and try agine
[08:37] <naruto> yes
[08:37] <andreizinca> can you tell me an application for gnome like krusader's ksyncronizer or total commander - syncronize dirs option ? thank you
[08:37] <apokryphos> naruto: you could try (i) reconfiguring your X (though not sure how that could be the problem), or (ii) do a dist-upgrade
[08:38] <thully> hi - does anyone here have a clue why netapplet keeps crashing when I log out of GNOME or resume from suspend?
[08:39] <naruto> reconfiguring? i can't :/ i dont know how to do it
[08:39] <naruto> eh..
[08:39] <naruto> mayby i shuld install debian
[08:39] <naruto> or something..
[08:40] <thundrcleeze> zenrox or anyone, is there a way to do a smart upgrade from within apt-get?
[08:41] <zenrox> thundrcleeze,  ya sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:41] <LeeColleton> when I right click on a flash disk volume (currently labeled: 257M Removable Media) and select Properties, the Name field is grayed out.  How can I change the volume name?
[08:42] <thundrcleeze> Thanks, zenrox.
 whith distro is very similar to ubuntu?
[08:43] <thundrcleeze> kubuntu :)
[08:43] <zenrox> or debian
[08:43] <apokryphos> naruto: reconfiguring: in console, type "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[08:43] <apokryphos> There's several similar distros
[08:43] <thully> progeny debian
[08:43] <apokryphos> MEPIS, too
[08:44] <thully> MEPIS is more like Kubuntu
[08:44] <thundrcleeze> Ubuntu is based on debian, so it's no suprise debian's simliar
[08:44] <naruto> hmm
[08:44] <naruto> Ubuntu have Pl language.. debian too?
[08:45] <tck_> was hoary final not supposed to be out today ?
[08:45] <apokryphos> Guadalinex is another -- based on Ubuntu
[08:45] <thundrcleeze> It should, yes, naruto.
[08:45] <Artemis3> give more time for guadalinex
[08:46] <phxguy> any know how i can get my nvidia card to use its tv-out?
[08:46] <thundrcleeze> What does guadalinex have that ubuntu doesn't?
[08:46] <apokryphos> thundrcleeze: their base in Spain?
[08:46] <Artemis3> i have the fully documented chrontel chip.. wonder if i could use it without closed source drivers ;)
[08:47] <thundrcleeze> How is guadalinex differenciating itself from ubuntu?
[08:47] <Artemis3> probably more l10n
[08:48] <Artemis3> but i have found ubuntu very spanish already
[08:48] <Artemis3> maybe they ll just add their apps
[08:48] <apokryphos> thundrcleeze: some info: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/guadalinex
[08:49] <Artemis3> i have an older guadalinex... and it sucked ;) but they documented as best as they could
[08:49] <phxguy> thundrcleeze: osdir has screenshots if ya wanna see what it looks like http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=116&slide=1
[08:50] <naruto> hmm dabian is por pro.. im not.. what shuld i instal?
[08:50] <naruto> for
[08:50] <Artemis3> now that guadalinex is ubuntu instead of debian based, i might give it another try
[08:50] <Artemis3> but i think ubuntu is good enough
[08:50] <apokryphos> naruto: if you really want to leave [k] ubuntu, I'd say go for MEPIS
[08:51] <thundrcleeze> Otherwise, give ubuntu a try.
[08:51] <Artemis3> debian is good, but old... always lagging behind times..
[08:51] <Unipal> kjk
[08:51] <subinfinity> Is it possible to get a winmodem to work under ubuntu?
[08:51] <Artemis3> i hate those...
[08:51] <Timbo> debian stable is old
[08:51] <Timbo> debian sid is pretty new
[08:51] <subinfinity> They are evil.
[08:51] <Artemis3> unstable is old too :p
[08:51] <phxguy> subinfinity: it should be. I had a winmodem and it was picked up during the install...
[08:51] <Timbo> the trouble with debian though is it tries to be everything to everyone
[08:52] <Timbo> on every architecture
[08:52] <subinfinity> It didn't detect mine.
[08:52] <sjmorgan> is "E: Build-dependencies for gedit could not be satisfied." a problem on my side of missing packages in the repository?
[08:52] <sjmorgan> of/or
[08:52] <subinfinity> So now I'm futzing about with scanModem...
[08:52] <subinfinity> and my brain kind of hurts.
[08:52] <Dreamer3> Timbo: and it succeeds ;-)
[08:53] <Timbo> not really
[08:53] <Artemis3> why not go to the linmodems page?
[08:53] <Timbo> debian on the desktop is nothing close to ubuntu on the desktop
[08:53] <Artemis3> i hope it shows your "chip" as unsupported so you don't struggle anymore
[08:53] <Dreamer3> Timbo: *laughs* ubuntu is debian on the desktop :)
[08:53] <Timbo> no
[08:53] <Dreamer3> Timbo: ubuntu wouldn't be what it is without debian, that's what makes debian great ;-)
[08:53] <Timbo> ubuntu is ubuntu
[08:53] <subinfinity> I'm there, I was just wondering if anyone knew exactly if anyone knew what to do.
[08:53] <Artemis3> things are so easy with real modems...
[08:54] <subinfinity> The chipset is suppored...
[08:54] <Timbo> well obviously not
[08:54] <Artemis3> ouch...
[08:54] <Artemis3> good luck then
[08:54] <kfc> is anyone got experience with Wacom Intous 2 in ubuntu?
[08:54] <Timbo> i don't think you're really listening to what i'm saying
[08:54] <Dreamer3> Timbo: no, i'm busy working on other things :) sorry
[08:54] <Artemis3> the only thing worse than a winmodem is a DSL winmodem (eg: Alcatel speedtouch USB)
[08:55] <subinfinity> I'm kind of broke and nowhere around here sells real modems.
[08:55] <zyga> kfc: I've got one, 1 ;] 
[08:55] <subinfinity> They're all winmodems of some kind or another.
[08:57] <ren0> Hi. I am trying to get my Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Express working using these "destructions"
[08:57] <ren0> http://www.linux.com/howtos/Webcam-HOWTO/troubleshooting.shtml
[08:59] <ren0> I do this sudo ln -s /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.10 /usr/src/linux...
[09:00] <CarlK> how do i decompress a .udeb file, like ./pool/main/p/preseed/network-preseed_1.02ubuntu4_all.udeb
[09:00] <ren0> then I get this error: cd /usr/src/linux bash: cd: /usr/src/linux: No such file or directory
[09:01] <kfc> zyga : i've trouble following the wiki. do u mind giving me a little help?
[09:01] <scaramanga> hello. does anyone have any recommendations for socket 939 mobos for use with ubuntu?
[09:01] <Artemis3> use amd64 compile?
[09:01] <kfc> zyga : i just wanna get the pressure sensitivity to work.
[09:02] <Artemis3> no wait, don't if you have a sempron
[09:02] <LeeColleton> is NVU available for Ubuntu?
[09:02] <Artemis3> or there aren't 939 semprons?
[09:03] <scaramanga> the 939 board will be for an athlon 64.
[09:03] <buz> hi
[09:03] <Artemis3> semprom is 754 only? i could think reading about 939 parts...
[09:03] <buz> i have troubles printing, all gtk apps produce broken postscript files
[09:04] <buz> i can look at them just fine but sending them to the printer or using ps2pdf on them generates crap
[09:04] <scaramanga> i don't think that there are 939 semprons, but i could be wrong.
[09:04] <Evergete> hi all
[09:04] <buz> no socket 939 semprons, unfortunately
[09:04] <Bazzi> buz, Artemis3 not yet.
[09:04] <Artemis3> hmm
[09:04] <naruto> Debian 3.0r3 this is actual version of Debian?
[09:04] <Bazzi> It will come.
[09:04] <Artemis3> "yet" ^^!
[09:04] <buz> not for a while, i'd say
[09:05] <Bazzi> this month, actually
[09:05] <Artemis3> ouch
[09:05] <buz> where did you get that?
[09:05] <Bazzi> Sempron 3200+ for So939 is scheduled for April, 2005
[09:05] <Artemis3> when are they releasing 940 parts?
[09:05] <sander_> what package system is ubuntu based on? debian?
[09:05] <Bazzi> unofficial roadmap
[09:05] <scaramanga> i'm looking at the GA-K8NXP-9.
[09:05] <tritium> sander_, yes
[09:05] <scaramanga> anyone have any experience with it?
[09:06] <chase> can ndiswrapper-utils be installed on a 64-bit machine? it doesnt come up in Hoarys synaptic
[09:06] <queuetue> Is an athlon64 at the same clock speed as a "regular" athlon worth the price differnce?  What is the functional difference?  (I'm going to be doing some moderate number crunching.)
[09:06] <Bazzi> queuetue it is.
[09:06] <buz> if you do numbercrunching, 64bit will help
[09:06] <sander_> any place I can read about the diffrences between debian and ubuntu?
[09:06] <scaramanga> queuetue: yes.
[09:06] <zyga> queuetue: it's worth everything and double that
[09:06] <buz> especially if you compile your own code to do the crunching
[09:06] <Artemis3> omg yes queuetue :)
[09:07] <zyga> 32bits are going away, 64 bits will let you keep your mobo and cpu for a while
[09:07] <Bazzi> the new Athlon 64 Venice and San Diego cores do serious ass-kicking
[09:07] <sander_> any reason I should use ubuntu.. compeard to debian?
[09:07] <carstenh> hi, is the anything like packages.debian.org for ubunutu?
[09:07] <buz> uptodate packages
[09:07] <zyga> especially if you buy 969 (AFAIR) socket stuff
[09:07] <buz> 939 it is
[09:07] <tritium> sander_, try the LiveCD - you'll see why for yourself :)
[09:07] <Artemis3> 969? i tho they were going for 940...
[09:07] <Bazzi> carstenh you might want to enable universe/multiverse repositories
[09:07] <gfxstyler> hi
[09:08] <Artemis3> (which is a single extra pin :P)
[09:08] <boxemall> can anyone help me with my sound problem?all i hear is the looped startup ubuntu sound
[09:08] <Bazzi> Artemis3 940 is for servers
[09:08] <buz> please any printer wizards here?
[09:08] <Artemis3> awww
[09:08] <Artemis3> smp?
[09:08] <naruto> Debian SID or 3.0r4 is better?
[09:08] <zyga> 940 is for opteron stuff
[09:08] <boxemall> all i can do is to mute the channels of my soundcard
[09:08] <tritium> carstenh, http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[09:08] <Bazzi> 940 = ECC Registered RAM only.
[09:08] <queuetue> Ok, so I don't have to do ... sempron for value?  Just the Athlon 64 matters.
[09:08] <gfxstyler> if i select more things in the kernel configuration, does that make the kernel slower ?
[09:08] <tck> whats the printer issue ?
[09:08] <Artemis3> only ECC?
[09:08] <carstenh> Bazzi: i don't use ubunut at the moment, ich just want information abuout some packages :)
[09:08] <Artemis3> :(
[09:08] <zyga> sempron for office and parents mail & web ;] 
[09:08] <carstenh> tritium: thanks :)
[09:08] <zyga> amd64 for everyone else
[09:08] <boxemall> i already took a look in some forums and on the alsa page but can't find anything
[09:08] <buz> tck: i can print from QT apps just fine, but printing from OO, firefox or thunderbird will yield broken postscript
[09:09] <Bazzi> carstenh oh :) http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[09:09] <Homie> hey can someone help me set up a mixer element
[09:09] <Homie> for my sound card
[09:09] <plouf> hello
[09:09] <buz> printer doesn't swallow it (it's natively PS2) and ps2pdf cant use it either
[09:09] <buz> i can look at it though
[09:09] <scaramanga> so, any motherboard recommendations for 939, a64 and the amd64 build?
[09:09] <scaramanga> (of hoary)
[09:09] <tck> whats ghostscript's reaction on printing
[09:09] <Artemis3> avoid pc chips, pc partner, biostar :)
[09:09] <scaramanga> lol.
[09:09] <scaramanga> thanks!
[09:09] <naruto>  Debian SID or 3.0r4 is better?
[09:09] <Bazzi> scaramanga I think the DFI LanParty boards are the best you can get for socket 939
[09:10] <buz> i was looking into the Albatron KT890 boards
[09:10] <zyga> Bazzi: they've got dual giga-lan?
[09:10] <buz> but i couldn't find them anywhere in CH so far
[09:10] <Bazzi> zyga yes.
[09:10] <boxemall> don't know what to do anymore. can't believe that i won't have no sound on linux
[09:10] <Artemis3> what soundcard?
[09:11] <boxemall> it's an terratec dmx 6 fire (on alsa page it sais it is supported)
[09:11] <snybole> I'm having some trouble getting my keyboardlayout to work, I've got swedish, but it says something about XKB server errors
[09:11] <boxemall> and i already hat tested it with suse 9.2 and it worked
[09:11] <boxemall> even on mandrake it worked
[09:11] <naruto>  Debian SID or 3.0r4 is better?
[09:11] <scaramanga> bazzi: thanks. i'll take a look.
[09:11] <zeniac> lo.i installed kde over apt-get today but its still using gnome for some reason?do i have to delete gnome for using kde or do i have to change some setting somewhere?
[09:12] <Artemis3> if it is an integrated via thing, heres what i did: unmute the weird things at the rightmost of alsamixer, and pump up the volume ;)
[09:12] <boxemall> since i reinstalled ubuntus actual rc it doesn' work anymore
[09:12] <chase> whats the command to add ssh to the default start up?
[09:12] <pc03> any points for totem-gstreamer, totem-xine, gxine, vlc? who'd be the winner (also on restricted formats)?
[09:12] <Bazzi> vlc wins the internets
[09:12] <plouf> question how do i force screen refrsh to a higer rate ? system-prfereences-screen resolution only has 60hz
[09:12] <Artemis3> vlc is very good
[09:12] <zyga> boxemall: what's the issue?
[09:12] <zyga> boxemall: does lspci see the thing, does alsamixer see the thing?
[09:13] <scaramanga> bazzi: what's the out-of-box ubuntu/debian support like for those boards?
[09:13] <boxemall> where do i see if alsa sees the card?
[09:13] <pc03> totem-gstreamer, totem-xine sofar are driving me crazy..
[09:13] <Bazzi> scaramanga Dunno :)
[09:13] <zyga> boxemall: try alsamixer for example
[09:13] <naruto> hallo...  Debian SID or 3.0r4 is better?
[09:13] <Bazzi> I'm still on my old P4-2533 box here, not even with ubuntu yet
[09:13] <Bazzi> (migrating takes a loong time ;) )
[09:13] <tritium> naruto, why not ask in #debian?
[09:13] <boxemall> alsa mixer sees the card
[09:13] <zenrox> pc03,  you have w32codecs installed
[09:14] <boxemall> even all the channels
[09:14] <zyga> boxemall: maybe it's muted ;] 
[09:14] <zyga> boxemall: that happens alot ;] 
[09:14] <boxemall> no it is not uted
[09:14] <pc03> yes
[09:14] <scaramanga> bazzi: ok. i think i'm just gonna have to hope for the best...
[09:14] <pc03> yes zenrox
[09:14] <Bazzi> scaramanga I would not do that :P
[09:14] <boxemall> i dont't know why this sound gets loppen on and on
[09:14] <zyga> boxemall: uname -a
[09:14] <Artemis3> yes unmute things with weird names too!
[09:14] <boxemall> looks like sound server crached?
[09:14] <zenrox> pc03, totem-xine sould work and gxine too
[09:14] <carstenh> naruto: if you have to ask such questions don't use sid, it is only for developers and geeks
[09:14] <zyga> boxemall: some sound cards were broken on one kernel some time ago
[09:14] <pc03> using totem-xine now.. but many with avis dont get good sound.. very choppy
[09:14] <zeniac> question .i installed kde over apt-get today but its still using gnome for some reason?do i have to delete gnome for using kde or do i have to change some setting somewhere?
[09:15] <zenrox> pc03,  how fast is the cpu
[09:15] <boxemall> i already installed actual kernels (usin k7 right now) and still the same problem
[09:15] <carstenh> naruto: maybe sarge or the latest ubuntu-release fits better your needs
[09:15] <tritium> zeniac, choose a different session when you login
[09:15] <revs_> zendog: click the "session" button at the bottom of the login screen - that lets you select KDE
[09:16] <pc03> 2400 amd sempron zenrox, although i get it to work ok on slower pcs with knoppix..
[09:16] <scaramanga> bazzi: why not?!
[09:16] <Artemis3> test using alsa instead of esound (ie: xmms output plugin)
[09:16] <zenrox> pc03, hmm instering
[09:16] <zyga> boxemall: did you try maxing out all volume levels?
[09:16] <boxemall> uname -a says "Linux x-machine 2.6.10-5-k7 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:56:05 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux"
[09:16] <tritium> naruto, I think you'll find ubuntu easier and better than both
[09:16] <boxemall> if i max all levels the looped sound only gets louder
[09:17] <Bazzi> scaramanga I'd seriously consider waiting for a revision of those boards because I was told they do still have minor issues (RAM incompatibilities and such things), as well as the drivers are still beta quality.
[09:17] <carstenh> .oO(same question in #debian would have resulted in the opposite answer ;))
[09:17] <boxemall> this looped conga sound blocks my card or mixer
[09:17] <boxemall> did not change anything
[09:17] <pc03> zenrox.. where do i see totem-xine's codecs... like in gxine (probably the next 1 ill try)
[09:17] <boxemall> this is clean install
[09:17] <FooBarWidget> can anyone tell me what happens if you type "su root -c true" in ubuntu?
[09:17] <zyga> boxemall: louder? so something does work?
[09:17] <boxemall> louder it gets louder
[09:17] <zenrox> pc03,  you just need w32codecs
[09:18] <scaramanga> bazzi: ok. maybe i'll just get a mac...
[09:18] <zenrox> for all programs
[09:18] <boxemall> iwould like to know where this sound is coming from
[09:18] <Artemis3> looped hmm... maybe on of the sliders is stereo mixer or such for input
[09:18] <Bazzi> scaramanga lol :)
[09:18] <FooBarWidget> I'm trying to write ubuntu support for my software
[09:18] <zyga> boxemall: kill esd
[09:18] <Artemis3> su root -c wont do, hehehe
[09:18] <zyga> boxemall: and launch it manually
[09:18] <FooBarWidget> Artemis3: but what happens?
[09:18] <FooBarWidget> what message do you get?
[09:19] <pc03> zenrox.. problem only seems to occur with some files..(but these files are ok using knoppix from cd!!)
[09:19] <andreizinca> i need a standalone application just like krusyncdir module from krusader. any hints ? thanks
[09:19] <ger1> Hello
[09:19] <zenrox> pc03,  i dont whats going on
[09:19] <pc03> when will we see the final hoary release?
[09:20] <zenrox> 8th
[09:20] <Bazzi> pc03 in less than a week
[09:20] <zenrox> 3 days away
[09:20] <pc03> Bazzi.. thats this friday then.. 8-)
[09:20] <ger1> Does anyone know how to make an aDSL coonection?
[09:20] <Artemis3> plug the cable?
[09:21] <Artemis3> (nothing like eth :)
[09:21] <ger1> I mean is that a dhcp setup or manual
[09:21] <andreizinca> any good visual diff program for gnome ?
[09:21] <Artemis3> isp dependant, usually dhcp
[09:22] <ger1> Ok, it's not for me (I'm online as u can see) but a friend has trouble connecting
[09:22] <Artemis3> if ethernet, should be pretty easy. else...
[09:22] <Ben2004uk> any ideas when hoary final will be released??
[09:23] <ger1> No, it's an usb modem
[09:23] <Artemis3> april 8
[09:23] <neighborlee> Is there a log file I could check to find out why my desktop came crashing down after a evolution crash ??
[09:23] <Artemis3> oh my...
[09:23] <ger1> "var/log/messages"?
[09:23] <zyga> neighborlee: what do you meen by 'desktop'
[09:24] <neighborlee> zyga, well..the desktop became totally unresponsive after a few moments..
[09:24] <neighborlee> zyga, evo crashed then gnome-panel stopped responding then finally right click desktop stopped working
[09:24] <zyga> neighborlee: ah
[09:24] <neighborlee> zyga, although oddly enough xchat never budged LOL
[09:24] <yahalom> is there any reason why my mplayer would no longer work as a result of installing fglrx?
[09:24] <zyga> neighborlee: try running top on one of the consoles
[09:24] <zyga> neighborlee: alt+ctrl+f1, login, top
[09:25] <neighborlee> zyga, i've hard rebooted long since ;-)
[09:25] <neighborlee> zyga, but yeah worth a shot next time if it happens ag ain
[09:25] <neighborlee> zyga, with any luck there is a fix in the works ( I filed a bug report )
[09:26] <zyga> neighborlee: I hardly never reboot - kernel doesn't crash with desktop
[09:26] <sh0r> hi
[09:26] <zyga> neighborlee: try alt+ctrl+backspace in hard cases
[09:27] <sh0r> how can i install a gnome theme? if i drag and drop it into the themes windows nothing happens
[09:27] <PecK> sometimes you have to install them manually. but they all worked for me with ubuntu. only had pbs with fc3...
[09:27] <zyga> sh0r: restart theme manager afterwards
[09:28] <neighborlee> zyga, I even tried that ye4s
[09:28] <neighborlee> zyga, but while it worked it logged me out of x entirely without trying to restart it..so whatever happened was prettty bad LOL
[09:28] <neighborlee> zyga, I then tried : sudo reboot < but even that 'hung' on trying to stop  cupsd
[09:28] <neighborlee> zyga, so in end a hard shutdown was needed ;(
[09:28] <neighborlee> go fig
[09:28] <zyga> neighborlee: hmm strange
[09:29] <neighborlee> I thought so
[09:29] <sh0r> zyga: did that, didn't work unfortunatley
[09:29] <zyga> neighborlee: could you try to remote login next time
[09:29] <zyga> and check what's going on
[09:29] <zyga> sh0r: some packages are broken :/
[09:29] <zyga> sh0r: you can try to unpack them manualy to .themes AFAIR (help me out someone)
[09:29] <sh0r> how do i install themes manually?where's the ./themes directory located?
[09:29] <neighborlee> zyga, I guess I should have tried Ctrl-alt-f! but who knows if even that would have worked due to the crash
[09:30] <neighborlee> zyga, only have one other machine and thats windowsXP
[09:30] <boxemall_> @zyga : sorry got disconnected
[09:30] <zyga> neighborlee: that's okay - run putty, the only useful windows program :)
[09:30] <neighborlee> heh
[09:30] <boxemall_> so again how do i kill esd manuallay and restart it manually?
[09:30] <zyga> boxemall_: simply pkill esd
[09:30] <neighborlee> zyga, interesting....illl look it up thx <<
[09:30] <zyga> boxemall_: on startup it plays silly sound
[09:31] <zyga> boxemall_: so if your card works you should hear it
[09:31] <neighborlee> zyga, LOL only useful windows app..how true indeed LOL
[09:31] <jefis> anyone knows good p2p client?
[09:31] <zenrox> jefis, limewire
[09:31] <boxemall_> so is hould restrat now right?
[09:32] <boxemall_> restart
[09:32] <jefis> allready have it, next :)
[09:32] <davro> hi all, does anyone know if Ubuntu has CKRM implemented, or how resource management works on Ubuntu.
[09:32] <zyga> boxemall_: just run in it again
[09:32] <zenrox> gtk-gnutella jefis
[09:32] <jefis> it's copy of limewire
[09:32] <jefis> ;)
[09:32] <sharkitekt> Hi everyone. How's it going
[09:33] <jefis> next :)
[09:33] <sharkitekt> ?
[09:33] <zenrox> jefis,  no not a copy just runs on limewires network
[09:33] <turkey_joe> not bad by'
[09:33] <snybole> sharkitekt: going good :) How about yourself?
[09:33] <turkey_joe> hows it going fer U??
[09:33] <sharkitekt> OK. I'm busy trying to sort out my network on UbUntu
[09:33] <jefis> give me your p2p client, i will give you a candy
[09:33] <jefis> :)
[09:33] <WeirdAl> Do I have to specify that a folder is shared?
[09:34] <WeirdAl> And if so, how?
[09:34] <boxemall_> i don't understand. what should i do exactly?
[09:34] <scott> when did the rc for hoary get released?
[09:34] <zenrox> a week ago??
[09:35] <zenrox> scott, but wate 3more days for full releace of hoary
[09:35] <zyga> boxemall_: just run esd from terminal for example
[09:35] <linuzo> Yo what's the huge update?
[09:36] <LeeColleton> note that the version number specifies the year and month but not the day
[09:36] <linuzo> is hoary now stable?
[09:36] <zyga> linuzo: not yet
[09:36] <turkey_joe> when will the full release version of ubuntu be available??
[09:36] <linuzo> hmm wonder why I had 160 updates then
[09:36] <LeeColleton> linuzo: there will certainly be a notice on ubuntulinux.org when it is ready
[09:37] <linuzo> ok thanks
[09:37] <zyga> linuzo: hoary is just around the corner so I guess everyone is hurrying to commit last patches
[09:37] <xMaximex> i installed hoary 3 days ago, how can i update to the last release when a new one is released ?
[09:37] <linuzo> I am using it anyways.. seems to work fine..
[09:37] <linuzo> xMaximex, it has a autoupdate program..
[09:37] <xMaximex> okay
[09:37] <xMaximex> nothing to do ?
[09:38] <linuzo> well you have to click update
[09:38] <zyga> xMaximex: if you want to stay with hoary just update once a week
[09:38] <xMaximex> ok
[09:38] <linuzo> a red circle somes up near the clock
[09:38] <zyga> xMaximex: If you want to stay with bleeding edge you need to modify your config files
[09:38] <boxemall_> i killed esd but i still have the loped sound
[09:38] <zyga> boxemall_: looped sound, what kind of sound?
[09:39] <Antioch> zyga I thought Hoary was frozen tomorrow?
[09:39] <boxemall_> i think you know the short conga sound at ubuntu startup? it is exactly that sound looped on and on
[09:39] <snybole> someone knows how I make alsamixer use 1 soundcard when I have 2?
[09:39] <snybole> 1 specific soundcard
[09:39] <WeirdAl> How do I make a shared directory?
[09:39] <cjb> Hi, all.  I get "failed to initialize HAL!" after logging in to gdm with linux-image-2.6.10-5-686, but don't with linux-image-2.6.10-5-386.  Anyone know why?
[09:39] <WeirdAl> I've installed Samba, I just need something to share
[09:40] <zyga> Antioch: probably so :-)
[09:40] <zyga> Antioch: I'm not tracking dates really
[09:40] <zyga> snybole: alsamixer can use both AFAIR
[09:41] <Antioch> zyga oh.. just checked -- full freeze on the 8th, I was off by 2 days, lol
[09:41] <zyga> snybole: you can speficy which, man alsamixer
[09:41] <davro> WeirdAl: vim /etc/samba/smb.conf
[09:43] <keyhack> What package has all the printer drivers? I noticed Canon is not listed
[09:44] <WeirdAl> davro, according to this the home directories are already shared...
[09:44] <WeirdAl> At least, that's the impression I get.
[09:44] <spiral> hello.... Can you help me with a quite recent laptop & ubuntu ?
[09:44] <WeirdAl> spiral: just ask.
[09:45] <WeirdAl> :-)
[09:45] <spiral> WeirdAl: So, I've got a new medion laptop...
[09:45] <scott> I hope they launch the new website for the hoary release
[09:45] <spiral> WeirdAl: and I can hardly get it working with ubuntu
[09:45] <WeirdAl> What sort of problems are you encountering?
[09:46] <spiral> WeirdAl: the gigabit ethernet card doesn't work..
[09:46] <spiral> WeirdAl: hotplug freezes
[09:46] <spiral> WeirdAl: pcmcia freezes
[09:46] <jefis> is there GUI for iptables?
[09:46] <spiral> WeirdAl: & I sometimes get problems with sata disk
[09:46] <WeirdAl> spiral -- ask everyone :-) cheers
[09:47] <WeirdAl> 'cause TBH I don't know.
[09:47] <jefis> it must be GUI for iptables ://////
[09:48] <spiral> so... Anyone has any idea for my laptop wich doesn't well work on an ubuntu ? sk98lin, sata, hotplug, pcmcia...
[09:49] <jefis> spiral: what doesn't work?
[09:49] <EddieX> spiral, what happends?
[09:49] <spiral> jefis, EddieX sk98lin not working for my card...
[09:49] <spiral> hotplug freezes
[09:49] <spiral> pcmcia freezes
[09:50] <spiral> sound doesn't work
[09:50] <jefis> :)
[09:50] <jefis> pray :)
[09:50] <EddieX> spiral, have you checked dmesg for any errors or in the logs?
[09:50] <spiral> EddieX: it doesn't even boot if I don't kill hotplug...
[09:51] <amittp> I have toshiba laptop which has ipw2200 module loaded for my wireless card, i see it when i do lsmod, but gnome wireless icon shows.. no devices
[09:51] <EddieX> spiral, On my laptop i have to inactivate the acpi + apic. Have you tried that?
[09:51] <amittp> do i have to set it up in some ways? How do i view th profiles available?
[09:51] <Bazzi-> amittp what does iwconfig say?
[09:52] <amittp> shows eth1
[09:52] <invitado_> ola
[09:52] <spiral> EddieX: yes :-/
[09:52] <jefis> How to check iptables is runing or not?
[09:52] <Bazzi-> amittp as wireless device?
[09:52] <amittp> unassiciated ESSID off/any
[09:52] <Bazzi-> ah
[09:52] <Bazzi-> add the essid then
[09:52] <amittp> Using?
[09:52] <Timbo> jefis: iptables -L
[09:52] <Bazzi-> iwconfig.
[09:52] <amittp> I thought it can be dome graphically
[09:53] <Bazzi-> it can
[09:53] <amittp> oh i was unaware of that. I was looking thorugh ifconfig
[09:53] <Bazzi-> in one of those network windows in gnome
[09:53] <amittp> Ok
[09:53] <EddieX> spiral, hmm to bad that it act that way
[09:53] <whiskers> if they do try to get autopackage working who is going to create all the new repositories
[09:53] <ThreeDayMonk> I have a working Ubuntu machine.  I also have an old notebook with no CD drive that I'd like to install Ubuntu onto.  I have a USB adapter that I can use to access the notebook's HDD directly.  How would you recommend I install onto the notebook?
[09:54] <amittp> Ok one more question, does ubuntu has cisco vpn client ?
[09:54] <spiral> has anyone got any idea how I could use it ?
[09:54] <spiral> amittp: vpnc...
[09:54] <thor|afk> whiskers: autopackage is designed for third party apps - hence no repositories as such
[09:54] <amittp> spiral ty :)
[09:56] <kerskine> howdy - is there an expanded radio list somewhere that I can import into Rhythmbox?
[09:57] <topyli> ah, that i would like to know too :)
[09:57] <glev> #ubuntu-fr
[09:58] <kerskine> yeah - I need to have some death/thrash metal music for when I do my taxes
[09:58] <topyli> make that 30 even :)
[09:58] <EddieX> kerskine, shoutcast.com ?
[09:59] <wefadg> hi guys
[09:59] <Keizer> How can I get my external monitor to work in Ubuntu?
[09:59] <Keizer> I just plugged it up.
[09:59] <kerskine> EddieX: yeah - but can I import their listing?
[09:59] <thoreauputic> topyli: I use streamtuner for preference (it's virtually my default music app)
[09:59] <EddieX> kerskine, I have no idea :)
[10:00] <wefadg> I am trying different distros, but I must say Ubuntu community is the best people on Earth
[10:00] <wefadg> other communities
[10:00] <wefadg> are rather unfriendly when it's about beginners
[10:00] <thoreauputic> topyli: you could specify rhythmbox instead of xmms in the streamtuner prefs
[10:00] <topyli> thoreauputic: yeah. one player to rule them all would be nice though
[10:00] <thoreauputic> topyli: I think amarok is the leader there
[10:00] <topyli> thoreauputic: all right, that might be a good idea!
[10:01] <Keizer> thoreauputic, You using a laptop?
[10:01] <Keizer> I need to know how to get my external monitor to work
[10:01] <thoreauputic> Keizer: not this minute
[10:01] <Keizer> I don't want to reboot.
[10:01] <thoreauputic> Keizer: I have an iBook though
[10:01] <Keizer> I plugged up my monitor and the output is not going to it.
[10:01] <Keizer> My laptop has a podunk 15" screen.
[10:01] <Keizer> I have a 19" monitor plugged up to it.
[10:02] <topyli> thoreauputic: so here's what i do. i do as you say and make rb the streamtuner default. when i find a good station, i just bookmark it in rb. in six months i can uninstall tuner again :)
[10:02] <BabyTux> Have anyone had any problems getting picture from xvid and divx files in VLC (hoary) with a ATI Radeon 9600 card? Could the graphicscard be the problme?
[10:02] <whiskers> thoreauputic, why leave autopackage for 3rd party...why not have many stuff installable/uninstallable
[10:03] <thoreauputic> topyli: heh - that's one way, yeah :)
[10:03] <thully> hi - anyone here know why netapplet crashes on logout so often?  can this issue be fixed?
[10:03] <thoreauputic> whiskers: why break apt?
[10:03] <topyli> thoreauputic: in six months half my bookmars will be dead though :)
[10:03] <bur[n] er> topyli: and you'll submit your nice big radio list with the next rhytmbox? :)
[10:04] <whiskers> thoreauputic, well it is not my desire...i just watch what goes on...but i don't try to run anyone else's business
[10:04] <whiskers> thoreauputic, but i think it is a good idea
[10:04] <topyli> bur[n] er: sure. but net radio is a moving target
[10:04] <pc03> babytux.. most probably a codec problem
[10:04] <thoreauputic> autopackage is a good step on the whole: it has a way to go IMO
[10:05] <bur[n] er> topyli: so true... i miss winamp :\
[10:05] <BabyTux> pc03: Have tried removing and installing w32codecs many times.. Nothing seems to help. Any ideas?
[10:05] <bur[n] er> or even itunes
[10:05] <afrosheen> itunes..yuck
[10:05] <whiskers> thoreauputic, well you know..for example...suppose you could not make up your mind between the latest gimp or an earlier gimpshop....so you might want to install/uninstall either to check them out
[10:05] <pc03> babytux.. you were using vlc right?
[10:05] <BabyTux> Yes
[10:06] <BabyTux> gvlc
[10:06] <bur[n] er> itunes at least doesn't make duplicates like in rb :\
[10:06] <thoreauputic> whiskers: I tried 2 autopackages - they installed fine but one collided with an existing apt-get install when I tried to uninstall it
[10:06] <Javiera_18> Who plays to hattrick on line it sends private?
[10:06] <afrosheen> personally I use streamtuner/streamripper and amarok
[10:06] <whiskers> thoreauputic, oh...i see the problem.
[10:06] <pc03> babytux.. i also continue having probs.. but with totem-xine... with some files the sound is really  bad
[10:07] <pc03> ill install gxine to see if i can get it going
[10:07] <airmikey> when i try to build gnome python,i get this error   error: maybe you want the gtk-gnome-1-2 branch?
[10:07] <thoreauputic> whiskers: I told them about it - they are working on integrating better
[10:07] <Keizer> How can I get my external monitor working?
[10:07] <BabyTux> Now it's finally working.. I just ran apt-get upgrade.. And it stardet working.. wierd
[10:07] <Javiera_18> Who plays to hattrick on line it sends private?
[10:07] <Keizer> How can I get my external monitor working without reboot?
[10:07] <whiskers> thoreauputic, ok...well maybe it is too early
[10:07] <Keizer> I don't want to reboot
[10:07] <Keizer> Please
[10:07] <BabyTux> pc03, Sorry yo bother you
[10:08] <topyli> sound-juicer should probably only ship with free (cc) tunes though
[10:08] <BabyTux> yo=to
[10:08] <ploum> hello
[10:08] <thoreauputic> whiskers: but I agree it's a good idea
[10:08] <pc03> babytux.. no worries! wish i could help
[10:08] <ploum> Soundjuicer is segfaulting here on a fresh hoary
[10:08] <seb128> lu ploum
[10:08] <thoreauputic> whiskers: especially for new converts :)
[10:08] <ploum> hello seb128 !
[10:08] <BabyTux> pc03, I probably need some more help one day, you can help me then!=)
[10:08] <seb128> ploum: need a backtrace
[10:08] <WeirdAl> Right, I added /data/everyone to smb.conf and restarted samba but I still can't get in. Says not found
[10:09] <WeirdAl> /data/everyone is 777
[10:09] <thoreauputic> Keizer: have you tried turning it off and on?
[10:10] <lexhw> hello all
[10:10] <fvwm> hi
[10:10] <lexhw> any experience installing ubuntu on hp compaq nc6000 laptop ?
[10:10] <WeirdAl> so it should be smb://192.168.1.3/data/everyone shouldn't it?
[10:11] <kbrooks> Linux-Newb, meh
[10:11] <Linux-Newb> hallo
[10:11] <kbrooks> Linux-Newb, you REALLY a linux noob?
[10:11] <Linux-Newb> ja
[10:11] <Xgates> well after 5 years as a slackere when 5.04 goes final I might just be dumping Slack, hehe getting tired of compiling my own apps and not much time for it anymore
[10:11] <Xgates> hehe
[10:11] <lexhw> hi burner any tips / tricks or did install work o.k.
[10:12] <Xgates> slackere/slacker....
[10:12] <Linux-Newb> sind deutsche hier?
[10:12] <afrosheen> nein
[10:12] <Linux-Newb> oder muss ich englisch schreiben?
[10:12] <afrosheen> jawohl
[10:12] <Linux-Newb> ahso
[10:12] <Linux-Newb> gut
[10:12] <kbrooks> Linux-Newb, ummm
[10:12] <Linux-Newb> yna dann
[10:12] <WeirdAl> :-\
[10:12] <kbrooks> Linux-Newb, are you on ubuntu?
[10:12] <Keizer> thoreauputic, The laptop?
[10:12] <kbrooks> PLEASE use english when you chat to me.....ty
[10:13] <Linux-Newb> im on kanotix live cd but i have ubuntu warty warthog 4 installed on harddisk
[10:13] <thoreauputic> Linux-Newb: /join #ubuntu-de  ?
[10:13] <Keizer> thoreauputic, I tried turning the monitor off and on
[10:13] <Keizer> Maybe I should restart my laptop
[10:13] <Keizer> But I don't want to
[10:13] <Keizer> It takes forever
[10:13] <pc03> Linux-Newb try #ubuntu-de
[10:13] <Linux-Newb> join #ubuntu-de
[10:13] <thoreauputic> Keizer: hmm
[10:13] <libben> ive installed flashplayer-mozilla from synaptic... and restarted x and fireforx.... and still it tells me i need to download plugin... and i click it and it wont find it... only manual bla bla  =)
[10:13] <libben> how?
[10:14] <Keizer> thoreauputic, What program can I probe for the monitor with?
[10:14] <lexhw> l8r
[10:14] <thoreauputic> Keizer: maybe "discover"
[10:15] <thoreauputic> Keizer: /sbin/discover (seems to be installed by default)
[10:15] <tritium> ddcprobe ?
[10:15] <Linux-Newb> how can i get root access in ubuntu?
[10:15] <bur[n] er> Linux-Newb: sudo su
[10:15] <apokryphos> Linux-Newb: Ubuntu uses sudo
[10:16] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell Linux-Newb ubusudo
[10:16] <Pyre> Linux-Newb: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:16] <thully> sudo -s, actually, for root shell
[10:16] <Keizer> thoreauputic, What do I do after that?
[10:16] <apokryphos> or sudo bash
[10:16] <thully> or sudo commandname for a command
[10:16] <bur[n] er> u can always do "sudo passwd; set the root password, then su"
[10:16] <Linux-Newb> ok
[10:16] <thoreauputic> Keizer: just run it
[10:16] <apokryphos> bur[n] er: no need ;-)
[10:16] <WeirdAl> Anyone fix my network?
[10:16] <WeirdAl> PC A can't see PC B
[10:17] <WeirdAl> says invalid path, but I checked everything.
[10:17] <Keizer> thoreauputic, I ran it three times heh
[10:17] <obe1> in ubuntu, when apt-get installs something, where does it put the deb files? :)
[10:17] <tritium> /var/cache/apt/archives
[10:17] <WeirdAl> 17301: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnosuchshare (You specified an invalid share name)
[10:17] <WeirdAl> SMB connection failed
[10:17] <whiskers> thoreauputic, i found it best to just try to be aware...but stay out of everybody's businesses and let them do what they want to do
[10:17] <thoreauputic> Keizer: I don't know...  try ` sudo discover ` then :)
[10:17] <WeirdAl> Does that mean the wrong path or the wrong PC?
[10:17] <obe1> tritium: thanks
[10:18] <tritium> np
[10:18] <WeirdAl> I can ping it.
[10:18] <WeirdAl> And the deamons are running :-(
[10:18] <Bazzi> wrong share :p
[10:18] <Bazzi> does \\IP work?
[10:18] <kbrooks> whiskers, er
[10:19] <kbrooks> whiskers, "stay out of everybody's businesses"?
[10:19] <kbrooks> hm?
[10:19] <thoreauputic> whiskers: not sure why you are telling me this, but yeah, I guess that's a good way to be :)
[10:19] <obe1> tritium: hey do you know a "Chris Gniady"?
[10:19] <WeirdAl> It's not whining, bazz
[10:19] <whiskers> kbrooks, well i espouse a philosophy that works for me....just try to be aware of your environment....but don't force anything on anybody....i let them do what they want to do.
[10:19] <tritium> obe1, no, why?
[10:20] <jefis> i am configuring iptables, and input is for other users to connect to my pc?
[10:20] <WeirdAl> But neither is it showing
[10:20] <jefis> wright?
[10:20] <tritium> obe1, how would I know him?
[10:20] <drdnl> does anyone here own an intel 2011B network card?
[10:21] <kbrooks> heh
[10:21] <obe1> tritium: oh, he just got his Phd from purdue, and i am a phd student at university of arizona, and we took him out a bunch of days around tucson, he gave a talk here and a faculty candidate... his email ends in ecn.purdue.edu...
[10:21] <kbrooks> i added a ... few sources
[10:22] <tritium> obe1, what field?
[10:23] <obe1> oh, you know what, I think electrical engineering, not CS, but he was applying for a CS professor job...
[10:23] <WeirdAl> damnit, I give up
[10:23] <WeirdAl> This computer will not see that computer.
[10:23] <tritium> obe1, I'm an EE PhD candidate as well
[10:23] <libben> can u remove all the files in /var/cache/apt/archives ?
[10:24] <tritium> libben, yes, apt-get clean
[10:24] <libben> or does the deb file needs to lay there?
[10:24] <libben> why dont synaptic do this auto?
[10:24] <libben> after it installed a package
[10:24] <thoreauputic> libben: because sometimes a reinstall is nice to have handy
[10:25] <WeirdAl> anyone know a GUI FTP server I can install?
[10:25] <libben> yeah... but download the package again?
[10:25] <thoreauputic> libben: if an app misbehaves
[10:25] <libben> WeirdAl, Gftp
[10:25] <WeirdAl> sounds good. cheers
[10:25] <thoreauputic> libben: not everyone has good bandwidth
[10:25] <libben> true. not me =)
[10:25] <jefis> someone ping me ( 85.206.103.155 ) and says you can resolv me :)
[10:25] <libben> got 60 kb sec =)
[10:25] <afrosheen> libben: gftp is a server? thought it was a client
[10:25] <libben> and 10 up =)
[10:25] <ThreeDayMonk> How can I tell the installer to install only 586-level packages even when installing on a P4?
[10:26] <libben> afrosheen, gftp is a client
[10:26] <libben> not a server
[10:26] <thoreauputic> libben: heh - I have 5kb down and 3 up on a *good* day ;-)
[10:26] <libben> thoreauputic, ur on modem =(
[10:26] <WeirdAl> dammit libben :-(
[10:26] <libben> no cable in the area?
[10:26] <WeirdAl> I went and installed it too
[10:26] <thoreauputic> libben: good guess :-)
[10:26] <afrosheen> WeirdAl was asking for a SERVER :)
[10:26] <spiral> 0000:02:00.0 0200: 11ab:4351 (rev 10)
[10:26] <spiral> this is my network card id
[10:26] <libben> he was?
[10:26] <libben> lol
[10:26] <afrosheen> haha yeah
[10:26] <WeirdAl> Oh well, I can use the one I installed on this PC to access the server on that PC.
[10:27] <libben> i read it to fast then =)
[10:27] <spiral> does anyone here know how I can get it working ?
[10:27] <WeirdAl> No harm done: bound to need it at some point.
[10:27] <WeirdAl> Any ideas? Might trawl sourceforge...
[10:27] <ulisse> Hi all
[10:27] <WeirdAl> lo
[10:27] <libben> hmm... server ftp with gui
[10:27] <afrosheen> WeirdAl: I use a combination of webmin for the gui and proftp for the server
[10:28] <WeirdAl> Does webmin interface with proftp?
[10:28] <WeirdAl> So I can set up proftp using webmin/
[10:28] <WeirdAl> CBA with command lines and conf files.
[10:28] <WeirdAl> :-)
[10:28] <libben> WeirdAl, apt-cache search server | grep ftp
[10:28] <WeirdAl> win
[10:28] <afrosheen> WeirdAl: yeah
[10:29] <afrosheen> WeirdAl: hit webmin.com and have a look around, it can control everything
[10:29] <libben> lol
[10:29] <WeirdAl> haha... my username is boy for some reason, and the terminal popped up while I was typing "hello"
[10:29] <libben> my var/cache/apt was huge =)
[10:29] <WeirdAl> Now it says "hellboy@laptop"
[10:29] <WeirdAl> O_o
[10:29] <i3dmaster> /charset utf-8
[10:29] <thoreauputic> i3dmaster: umm...you shouldn't IRC as root
[10:30] <libben> i run iso-8859-15 on this irc
[10:30] <afrosheen> a dude at IBM irc'ing as root..omg
[10:30] <libben> damn those mircers =) and swedish lang =)
[10:30] <jefis> Please anyone ping me, and say i replyed or not: 85.206.103.155
[10:30] <WeirdAl> I think I'll do what afro sats
[10:30] <WeirdAl> says
[10:30] <afrosheen> jefis: dest unreachable
[10:31] <jefis> yes :)
[10:31] <jefis> good :)
[10:31] <afrosheen> WeirdAl: yeah it's probably as easy as it gets
[10:31] <afrosheen> WeirdAl: wait one second..I seem to remember a nice graphical config tool...
[10:31] <topyli> jefis: Ping reply from jefis: 0.98 second(s)
[10:31] <topyli> in xchat :)
[10:31] <Xappe> libben: well, you *can* run different character encodings for different networks
[10:31] <WeirdAl> I'm waiting.
[10:31] <libben> Xappe, yeah i noticed in the server menu
[10:31] <jefis> i am trying to use KmyFirewall to build my firewall :)
[10:31] <WeirdAl> Poised on the save-as button in Firefox
[10:31] <jefis> it's pretty good
[10:32] <topyli> jefis: real ping fails
[10:32] <Lain82> Hello, I want to know if a graphical configurator tool exist on Ubuntu ( sorry for my bad english ...)
[10:32] <afrosheen> WeirdAl: yeah forget webmin/proftpd, there is a gui server
[10:32] <kent> Lain82, the answere depends on what you want to configure?
[10:32] <thoreauputic> afrosheen: sort of makes you wonder who IBM are hiring these days....
[10:33] <WeirdAl> oh aye?
[10:33] <kent> Lain82, for network, users, printers, programs etc (and a lot of other things) there is graphical configuration.
[10:33] <Lain82> My Hardware ( as Yast ...)
[10:33] <jefis> what is FORWARD chain at iptables?
[10:34] <topyli> Lain82: your hardware should work. if it doesn't, it's a bug
[10:34] <WeirdAl> afrosheen: don't leave me guessing :-O!
[10:34] <afrosheen> WeirdAl: I'm googling..totally forgot the name of the package
[10:34] <WeirdAl> ah right
[10:34] <WeirdAl> cheers :-)
[10:34] <mcphail> WeirdAl: I think pyftpd might work
[10:34] <jefis> what is FORWARD chain at iptables?
[10:35] <Lain82> topyli:  my sagem 800 ... hum. It don't work
[10:35] <topyli> Lain82: what's that?
[10:35] <WeirdAl> That's a phone isn't it?
[10:35] <kent> Lain82, whats that? :)
[10:36] <afrosheen> WeirdAl: ok got it
[10:36] <afrosheen> WeirdAl: install proftpd and gproftpd, the gui frontend :)
[10:37] <afrosheen> WeirdAl: gproftpd is here http://mange.dynup.net/linux.html
[10:37] <WeirdAl> aah pro
[10:37] <Artemis3> i think its a pos USB dsl modem
[10:37] <topyli> the sagem thing?
[10:37] <Artemis3> yes
[10:38] <topyli> those are not supposed to work. no bug :)
[10:38] <Artemis3> hmm
[10:38] <topyli> Lain82: if Artemis3 is right, your modem is designed not to work with linux
[10:38] <Artemis3> there seems to be a model with ethernet
[10:39] <kent> usb- adsl modems need some library to work right? I remember trying to get it to work for my brothers computer with such a modem. The needed library is not in Ubuntu main, and its impossible to fetch it from the internet without a working usb modem :(
[10:39] <Artemis3> but its another model it seems
[10:39] <thoreauputic> kent: heh- a nice catch 22 :)
[10:40] <afrosheen> usb adsl..ugh
[10:40] <afrosheen> too cheap to put an ethernet jack on the modem or what
[10:40] <Artemis3> most are "soft" modems
[10:40] <Artemis3> so you can figure it out...
[10:40] <topyli> at work they gave me a box with a weird ethernet card and i couldn't install woody on it because of that
[10:40] <afrosheen> yeah winmodem debacle lives on
[10:40] <thoreauputic> Artemis3: where "soft" == "brain-dead", right?
[10:41] <kent> thoreauputic, eciadsl is the library. I googled about it. The usb adsl modem my brother had needed that library, and it was not in Ubuntu main (warty).  I think that library is what most usb adsl modems needs.
[10:41] <Artemis3> SAGEM Fast 800 USB modem seems to have vendor supplied "linux" drivers
[10:41] <radikal1> does ubuntu have any sort of utility to aid in setting up a sound card?
[10:41] <radikal1> i just installed ubuntu but i have no sound
[10:42] <afrosheen> radikal1: check all your mixer settings first
[10:42] <radikal1> afrosheen: I get an error when I try to play something with xmms that says my sound card isn't configured correctly
[10:42] <Panquekas> do you know when hoary will come? 15 days? I want to know :P
[10:42] <Artemis3> yes, dumb winmodem like
[10:42] <kent> radikal1, it should be detected automaticly.  as afrosheen says, it seems most of the times the sound seems not to work, its becaus some mixers is muted :(
[10:43] <afrosheen> radikal1: if that's the issue, you'll need to dig a little deepr
[10:43] <thoreauputic> afrosheen: try selecting the esd output plugin in xmms
[10:43] <Artemis3> there is also a chinese and alcatel usb and who knows who else is going to give those "things" for free
[10:43] <radikal1> afrosheen: that's why I was wondering if there was any sort of setup utility for sound cards
[10:43] <Artemis3> the next youll see is onboard -_-
[10:44] <thoreauputic> Artemis3: "approved for WinXP"
[10:44] <topyli> Panquekas: more like 3 days
[10:44] <Artemis3> an p4 (couse you have to give an use to that expensive cpu right?) -_-!
[10:45] <Panquekas> topyli, cool! =)
[10:45] <thoreauputic> Artemis3: yeah, too many spare cpu cycles - might as well chew a few of them
[10:45] <awb4422> since alsaconf isn't included in hoary, how can i detect my sound card?
[10:45] <topyli> Panquekas: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[10:46] <Artemis3> winmodem, winprinter, winscanner, winetc.
[10:46] <thoreauputic> Artemis3: coming soon - WinBIOS
[10:46] <Panquekas> topyli, thnk :)
[10:48] <zenrox> thoreauputic,  thay allready have that its the bios that has win3.1 in it
[10:48] <ScHiZo> sup
[10:48] <ScHiZo> anybody active?
[10:50] <oklinux> does ubuntu have k3b ?
[10:50] <t3rror> where is a decent place that i can talk about gdesklets?  i also need a little information about it
[10:50] <Xappe> hehe
[10:50] <t3rror> oklinux > not by default, but you can apt-get it
[10:50] <whiteknight> thoreauputic, perhaps the answer should be put in the topic? :p
[10:50] <EvilIdler> thoreauputic: Stick it in the topic, and you'll reduce the invasion by 10% :)
[10:50] <Xappe> thoreauputic: then you should start working on the auto answer script right away :)
[10:51] <thoreauputic> people like that *read* the topic? *g*
[10:51] <EvilIdler> thoreauputic: 10% of them do..
[10:51] <thoreauputic> Xappe: yeah, the script is a good idea :)
[10:51] <ScHiZo> got a quick question: when I download the live iso and I burn it on any cd it says that the cd or dvd is corrupt when trying to load the live image...anybody knows whats up?
[10:51] <whiteknight> hope fully that 10% will be a lot of people
[10:52] <zenrox> ScHiZo,  burn slower
[10:52] <Artemis3> and these old sis integrated video cards which not only taxed onboard memory bot lots of cpu
[10:52] <whiteknight> i sadly won't be around to watch the carnage on saturday :)
[10:52] <ScHiZo> oke zenrox I'll try that
[10:53] <Artemis3> what carnage, a torrent serves em all ;)
[10:53] <Artemis3> but the ubuntuguide should be ready...
[10:54] <Artemis3> (i hope ^^)
[10:54] <EvilIdler> Artemis3: Not enough people have been enlightened about torrents
[10:54] <whiteknight> yeah but who reads the guides ;-)
[10:54] <Artemis3> easy, release torrent only first
[10:54] <Artemis3> that will do ^^
[10:55] <whiskers> what a strange coincidence
[10:55] <thoreauputic> Artemis3: I think a cron script with the ubutuguide URl would be an idea, set for an interval of about 30 seconds for those with short attention spans ;-)
[10:55] <whiskers> i went to get clamav because i decided to compile it for win98
[10:55] <zenrox> thoreauputic,  30 sec would get anoyying at night
[10:55] <whiskers> and someone already did...they call it clamwin
[10:55] <Artemis3> how about the topic?
[10:55] <zenrox> try 2 mins
[10:55] <Keizer> Windows 98 is the ultimate gaming platform.
[10:55] <ScHiZo> zenrox is 8x slow enough?
[10:55] <thoreauputic> zenrox: I was joking :)
[10:55] <zenrox> ScHiZo,  should be
[10:55] <ScHiZo> tnx
[10:55] <whiskers> Keizer, well win98 is a sunk cost for me
[10:56] <zenrox> thoreauputic,  and i was maken a mockery
[10:56] <Artemis3> oi zenrox did you check your iso is not corrupt?
[10:56] <whiskers> Keizer, so i try to make good use of it
[10:56] <Artemis3> er
[10:56] <Artemis3> i mean ScHiZo
[10:56] <zenrox> ya
[10:57] <Keizer> Sucks to be a whore
[10:57] <apokryphos> Artemis3: releasing the torrent first might actually be a great idea. Have you thought of suggesting that?
[10:57] <apokryphos> Torrents are unustly neglected
[10:57] <oklinux> how do I run apt-get ?
[10:57] <Artemis3> if your image is corrupt, open the torrent, close it, copy your image where the torrent put the file, (and be sure it has the same name) reopen torrent, image fixed :)
[10:57] <apokryphos> oklinux: apt-get install <packagename>. See man apt-get for more info
[10:57] <thoreauputic> oklinux: depends what you want it to do :)
[10:58] <Artemis3> yes im suggesting that all the time here ;)
[10:58] <oklinux> I wnat to get k3b for cd burning software
[10:58] <apokryphos> Artemis3: to any of the powers that be?
[10:58] <Artemis3> dunno if they read
[10:58] <Artemis3> hehehe
[10:58] <whiskers> k3b is a nice program i like it a  lot on kde.
[10:59] <whiskers> but gnomebaker is also nice
[10:59] <kent> oklinux, the easyest way to do it is to open synaptic. Make sure you have universe amongs the places to fetch programs from (read about it in the wiki on http://ubuntu.com) and then search for k3b and install it. Its not hard to do.
[10:59] <apokryphos> oklinux: you'll actually need to do some extra stuff for K3B and MP3s -> Audio CD at the mo, but we can help you through it
[10:59] <zenrox> whiskers, aswell as graveman
[11:00] <whiskers> zenrox, well graveman works but does not burn dvds it only burns an image
[11:00] <ScHiZo> artemis how can I check my iso?
[11:00] <chris_d> Any hints on a graphical pptp client management tool?
[11:00] <whiskers> zenrox, but gnomebaker burns all the files
[11:00] <zenrox> whiskers,  but it does take the sting out of usuing the cli for maken an iso
[11:00] <libben> why is ubuntu packed with nautilus-cd-burner if it gets used by anyone?
[11:01] <topyli> i really hope coaster will be ready one day. i'd like to get rid of cdrecord
[11:01] <whiskers> zenrox, yes....absolutely....and the heck with regular expressions
[11:01] <zenrox> lol
[11:01] <thoreauputic> libben: it's convenient for data and iso burning
[11:01] <topyli> libben: i use it all the time
[11:01] <kent> libben, you meen if its NOT used?  Well, I use it time to time. Its very easy to burn iso images with. Just rightclick and select burn :)
[11:02] <Artemis3> it seems the right tool for end users (as long as it works)
[11:02] <thoreauputic> ScHiZo: md5sum
[11:02] <libben> I only burn dvd's with my burner.. from .img files and iso files... will nautilus support that?
[11:02] <typo> does anyone know why ubuntu's python "crypt" module doesn't work?
[11:02] <zenrox> libben,  only the iso's
[11:03] <WeirdAl> Hey, um... I'm trying to build gproftpd but it's telling me it can't find the package gtk+-2.0
[11:03] <kent> Is it true what I read on Davyds homepage about G12 and the nameing of future Gnome releases? That is, that it will be called G12, and not Gnome 2.12? Just wondering..  I didn't understand most of the stuff from April 1st, if it was a joke or not :(
[11:03] <ScHiZo> Where can I find the md5sum for the live iso? On the site I can only find a txt with md5sums, wich my sfv/md5 checker doesn't support.
[11:03] <Artemis3> eh? what checker you use?
[11:03] <zenrox> kent,  a joke
[11:04] <Artemis3> md5 is what you need
[11:04] <kent> WeirdAl, and you have checked that you have the libgtk+-2.0-devel packages? not sure if its named like that, but search for it with synaptic.
[11:04] <topyli> ScHiZo: get the md5sum of your iso, then compare that with the string in the text file
[11:04] <topyli> by eyeball
[11:05] <ScHiZo> well if you download the file on this page: http://stuwww.uvt.nl/ubuntu/5.04/MD5SUMS then you get a md5sums.txt file which isn't support by flash sfv. I've never heard before of a txt file which is supported
[11:05] <ScHiZo> oke, I'll try that
[11:05] <WeirdAl> lib. gotcha. brb
[11:05] <holycow>  goddamn
[11:05] <holycow> gnome and ubuntu just fucking rock
[11:05] <Artemis3> hahaha
[11:06] <topyli> holycow: well, you can put it that way too :)
[11:06] <Artemis3> ScHiZo: compare the result of doing an md5 to the image with the text file
[11:06] <holycow> the places menu and the little gnome details work superb
[11:06] <Artemis3> ScHiZo: or get a simpler checker like fsum ;)
[11:06] <holycow> for example, tossing a cd in, and wanting to search for a file on the cd ... simple as on a mac
[11:06] <thoreauputic> an md5 checker that doesn't support md5sums ? weird...
[11:06] <libben> any news on the resolution bug after doing alot of packaging updating?
[11:06] <holycow> no fucking my computer this, and a fucking little dog dancing around while you search
[11:06] <holycow> i love it!!!!!
[11:07] <Artemis3> huh?
[11:07] <Artemis3> ah
[11:07] <Artemis3> i tho you wanted the dog nvm
[11:07] <holycow> windows xp, and their bizarre attempts at system metaphors
[11:07] <EvilIdler> holycow: Bleeping great, innit?
[11:07] <WeirdAl> ye gods, that's 54MB
[11:07] <WeirdAl> Found it kent, cheers. I'll ask again if that didn't work.
[11:07] <WeirdAl> :-)
[11:07] <ScHiZo> oke in the txt file I see this checksum: 21debcfa2d379063c0d5c2e6bf73dca7  hoary-rc-live-i386.iso
[11:07] <holycow> EvilIdler, i'm in heaven.  this is absolutely the right way to create a worksapace
[11:07] <topyli> holycow: you can enable the "help agent" in openoffice though if you ever miss Clippy ;)
[11:07] <holycow> for me anyway
[11:08] <ScHiZo> in my md5 file I see this checksum: ; Using hkSFV on 04.05.2005 at 23:06:51
[11:08] <ScHiZo> ; http://www.big-o-software.com
[11:08] <ScHiZo> ;
[11:08] <ScHiZo> ;/----
[11:08] <ScHiZo> ;    585699138 20:53.02 2005-04-05 hoary-rc-live-i386.iso
[11:08] <ScHiZo> ;\----
[11:08] <holycow> topyli, haha :) thanks for that tip
[11:08] <ScHiZo> ;
[11:08] <ScHiZo> 94d5bb20fa7da3464bac656a4354690b *hoary-rc-live-i386.iso
[11:08] <ScHiZo>  that would mean that my iso is corrupt right?
[11:08] <EvilIdler> holycow: I prefer XFCE, but that still uses the innards of Gnome for neatness
[11:08] <Artemis3> noooo
[11:08] <Artemis3> thats the sfv
[11:08] <libben> when i type the sudo nvidia-glx-config enable, the only thing that does is to replace the 'nv' line with 'nvidia' so its not nescesary to type that and just edit the xorg.conf for urself ?
[11:08] <Artemis3> tell your program to make md5sum
[11:09] <topyli> ScHiZo: 94d5bb20fa7da3464bac656a4354690b is the md5sum
[11:09] <thoreauputic> ScHiZo: don't flood the channel, please
[11:09] <libben> fuck ... .63 new updates =)
[11:09] <libben> i just updated like an hour ago =)
[11:09] <tony> I dont understand the startup system of ubuntu. How do I automatically load a module on bootup?  I tried adding to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base, but that was a no go.
[11:09] <kent> WeirdAl, Usually there is a few *devel packages that needs to be installed. Gtk, Gnome etc.  But the configure script will tell you which.. just search for them in synaptic and you should be ok.
[11:09] <topyli> libben: same here :)
[11:09] <tony> modprobe.conf seems.. absent in hoary.
[11:09] <spanglesontoast> I've just loaded xchat speak
[11:09] <spanglesontoast> but I'm wondering how to select which speakers it comes through on
[11:10] <ScHiZo> sorry thoreauputic, but I don't know how to copy paste something without getting it automaticly dumped into several different lines
[11:10] <Artemis3> haha
[11:10] <thoreauputic> ScHiZo: use #flood
[11:10] <libben> hola... xterm included this time =) i want ATERM =)
[11:10] <Artemis3> hmm
[11:10] <ScHiZo> tnx topyli, is that also the md5 checksum it should be?      ----oh tnx thoreauputic...this will come in handy :)
[11:10] <libben> well... no diffrence to talk about =)
[11:10] <mainer> chris_d: google  pptpconfig
[11:11] <topyli> tony: i guess it's spread out into little files in modprobe.d?
[11:11] <whiskers> but i tell you i have two dvd burners one hp and one clone...and i hate the hp burning software....i like the nero express than came with my other burner
[11:11] <thoreauputic> WTF - i3dmaster why are you CTCP ing the whole channel??
[11:11] <francisco> hi :)
[11:11] <topyli> ScHiZo: no idea. look at the text file you got from the download site
[11:11] <Artemis3> i was wondering that too
[11:11] <francisco> how can i install KDE on my ubuntu 4.1?
[11:11] <tony> topyli, I guess the answer is in that directory, but dunno what exactly.
[11:11] <whiskers> i like the hp burner but i hate their software
[11:12] <ScHiZo> hehe, oke then I guess it is a corrupt file, because they do not match...I'll try redownloading the file...to bad I knew this only after I burned the file again hehe. Tnx for helping out you guys!
[11:12] <zenrox> francisco,  update to hoary then kubuntu
[11:12] <Artemis3> ScHiZo: you should get fsum..
[11:12] <francisco> oh
[11:12] <matt__> how do i enable fast writes on my nvidia drivers.. which file in /etc/ has the module options
[11:12] <BeautifulAria> does anyone know a good program for burning data cds on ubuntu?
[11:12] <francisco> apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[11:12] <whiskers> BeautifulAria, yes i am using gnome baker and it is nice
[11:12] <whiskers> for ubuntu
[11:12] <spanglesontoast> anyone can help me?
[11:12] <matt__> gnomebaker rocks :)
[11:12] <caffinated> BeautifulAria: k3b
[11:12] <zenrox> francisco,  yep after you change all sources to hoary
[11:12] <Artemis3> gnome baker?
[11:13] <francisco> thanks :)
[11:13] <holycow> hey ... how oftend does the ubuntu kernel change?
[11:13] <francisco> I manually edit all that right :)
[11:13] <holycow> i'm upgrading and another image seems to be downloading
[11:13] <holycow> this is going to be hard on my nvidia drivers
[11:13] <whiskers> caffinated, k3b is also very nice...but you need kde and you might as well be running kubuntu instead of ubuntu
[11:13] <holycow> :)
[11:13] <zyga> holycow: recently - quite often ;] 
[11:13] <ScHiZo> I'll check that fsum program out artemis
[11:13] <caffinated> whiskers: you need some KDE libraries, sure.  but that doesn't mean you need to run KDE.
[11:14] <samuel> hello all
[11:14] <holycow> zyga, any general way to look at the kernel? i thought it would be stock debian?
[11:14] <holycow> does sid kernel change that often?
[11:14] <snybole> Finally got everything to work, thanks to all who helped me :)
[11:14] <jc-denton> can somebody tell me in which file is /etc/sudoers
[11:14] <samuel> anyone here switched over from debian?
[11:14] <jc-denton> err in which package/
[11:14] <zyga> holycow: I'm not sure really, you can try to check debian.changelog
[11:14] <jc-denton> ?
[11:14] <holycow> samuel, i'm trying it out, so yes in a sense
[11:14] <lewwy> still cant get my davicom network card working
[11:14] <BeautifulAria> thank you, have a good day
[11:15] <holycow> zyga, okay good point
[11:15] <holycow> thanks
[11:15] <samuel> holycow: how do you like ubuntu? is it much different to debian?
[11:15] <samuel> to sid?
[11:15] <holycow> samuel, its just a stable snapshot of sid
[11:15] <topyli> jc-denton: sudo
[11:15] <zyga> samuel: It's got better installer ;] 
[11:15] <holycow> with a few tiny/semi tiny changes
[11:15] <zyga> and alot of branding
[11:15] <holycow> some desktop settings like removing all icons from deskto pwhich i like
[11:16] <dave> hey, can anyone here give me some help?
[11:16] <holycow> what i don't like is that they eneabled everything for sudo
[11:16] <radikal1> does anyone have any ideas what to try after I've installed realplayer 10, and it doens't work?  It just sits there after I type realplay and does nothing
[11:16] <samuel> hmmmmm......
[11:16] <holycow> that means all you gotta do is trick a noob to run a bad bash script and his machine is yours
[11:16] <caffinated> holycow: i think that's logical.
[11:16] <holycow> we need to do something about that
[11:16] <topyli> holycow: i always did that on debian anyway :)
[11:16] <caffinated> sudo is better than using root all the time.
[11:16] <dave> im running a 9800 pro with the newest ubuntu, and im trying to get the screen resolution program to allow me to move past 1024x800 and get dual screen working
[11:16] <samuel> sounds like not really worth changing over from sid
[11:16] <dave> to my knowledge i installed the latest ati drivers
[11:16] <holycow> i only enable sudo for a few things i know very well
[11:16] <holycow> not EVERYTHING
[11:16] <Artemis3> make another user without admin
[11:17] <zyga> samuel: try the live cd
[11:17] <radikal1> the whole point of using ubuntu on this PC is so it is more user-friendly, so realplayer needs to work :)
[11:17] <zyga> samuel: It's much more in-place than debian was IMHO
[11:17] <holycow> caffinated, i understand why they did it and its fine
[11:17] <thoreauputic> holycow: this is an unending debate - there are opinions on both sides
[11:17] <dave> it doesn't seem user friendly to my ATI card :D
[11:17] <caffinated> holycow: besides, it's not like you can't get to your root account if you *really* need it.
[11:17] <topyli> samuel: i came from sid because ubuntu is stable, i.e. changes only two times a year :)
[11:17] <samuel> zyga: in-place??? what does that mean?
[11:17] <jc-denton> topyli: no it is not
[11:17] <holycow> maybe we need a policy editor with maybe som presets
[11:17] <jc-denton> topyli: thats why i asked
[11:17] <Artemis3> actually it is ATI and Nvidia who are unfriendly to the community
[11:17] <radikal1> dave: hehe yeah, it doesn't seem too user friendly to me yet either!
[11:17] <dave> i know, i know artemis
[11:17] <asian> hi
[11:18] <zyga> samuel: er.. well (not sure really), it feels better than debian did
[11:18] <dave> but the fact is, i can't find any documentation on how to get my dual screen setup working
[11:18] <jc-denton> topyli: do dpkg -L sudo | grep etc
[11:18] <topyli> jc-denton: no? hrm
[11:18] <dabi> how can i change device driver? i have a webcam but it has got wrong driver set automatically by ubuntu.. it works with different driver on mdk
[11:18] <dave> and if i can't get my graphics working, its back to windows for me
[11:18] <samuel> topyli: hahaha, i just broke my X-server on sid yesterday, so i thought that would be a good excuse to try it out
[11:18] <jc-denton> i tried apt-file but i didnt find it
[11:18] <zyga> samuel: it's more stable in some way too
[11:18] <holycow> caffinated, true, i don't want to flame about this today anyway, i will try to help out with some constructive way down the road
[11:18] <zyga> samuel: it's not just testing, it's trying to be stable while not outdated ;] 
[11:18] <caffinated> holycow: oh, i don't really see it as a flame.
[11:18] <zyga> but that's my personal feeling
[11:19] <topyli> jc-denton: maybe it's created (by sudo) while you make your first user during base-config. dunno
[11:19] <asian> there is a VGA card specially made for Linux
[11:19] <holycow> k. :) just makin sure, you guys are too nice, i don't wanna pollute the chan accidentally even
[11:19] <radikal1> does anyone have any ideas on what to try with realplayer?  I've installed it, when i try to run it, it does absolutely nothing
[11:19] <zyga> radikal1: try mplayer instead
[11:19] <radikal1> dave:there are does on setting up multi-monitors with xorg
[11:19] <samuel> zyga: so its like in between testing and unstable?
[11:19] <dave> quick question: how do i edit the xorg.config file? even as root in the terminal i can't open it through the gui
[11:19] <radikal1> zyga: what if I need to play realvideo content?
[11:19] <whiskers> dave, what problem are you having
[11:19] <elem3nt> Hi! anyone willing to help me installing my usb-adsl modem?
[11:19] <zyga> samuel: it's like ubuntu, no unstable no testing - just ubuntu - users feel better this way
[11:19] <jc-denton> topyli: what are the settings for the default ubuntu user?
[11:19] <caffinated> holycow: people are bound to disagree on some elements of how the OS is set up.  It doesn't make you wrong, pre-se.
[11:19] <thoreauputic> holycow: heh- culture shock after #debian ? *grin*
[11:19] <libben> dave sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:19] <zyga> radikal1: then get realplayer libs?
[11:19] <dave> thanks libben
[11:19] <libben> and type your user password
[11:20] <Artemis3> teehehehe
[11:20] <libben> when it ask for it
[11:20] <radikal1> zyga ok i will try that
[11:20] <zyga> radikal1: you should get all the libs you want though
[11:20] <pauliukas> Hello everybody!
[11:20] <dabi> how can i change device driver? i have a webcam but it has got wrong driver set automatically by ubuntu..
[11:20] <zyga> radikal1: and recompile it yourself
[11:20] <topyli> jc-denton: sudo-wise. the first user is a member of the admin group, which is given full rights in sudoers
[11:20] <samuel> zyga: hmmm..... ubuntu huh?
[11:20] <radikal1> zyga: I want them all!
[11:20] <samuel> ok...
[11:20] <samuel> ill try it!
[11:20] <zyga> radikal1: you don't need them all ;-)
[11:20] <pauliukas> I'm just wondering... How can I specify a custom resolution
[11:21] <ThreeDayMonk> Grub question: If I have a disk that is too big for my BIOS, what's the best partitioning strategy to get the kernel to load?
[11:21] <jc-denton> sudo-wise?
[11:21] <zyga> pauliukas: edit your xorg.conf?
[11:21] <marska> Is there a CD-R burn program in Ubuntu?
[11:21] <topyli> samuel: go ahead, it's nice and works out of the box
[11:21] <libben> I want to get flash working in mozilla... so i downloaded the flashplayer-mozilla and ive even restarted the box... cause i did this morning before i went to sleep... so why aint flash working in ff? it still pops up, u need to download plugin.... anyone ?
[11:21] <zyga> marska: yes
[11:21] <libben> marska, yes
[11:21] <Artemis3> a small /boot partition
[11:21] <pauliukas> zyga, What if I'm... on the Live CD?
[11:21] <radikal1> zyga: well I want it to play all realaudio stuff
[11:21] <marska> Zyga: Under synaptic?
[11:21] <libben> nautilus-cd-burner
[11:21] <libben> its allready in marska
[11:21] <marska> Where do I access it?
[11:21] <asian> hi anyone have contact with ubuntu PowerPC developers?
[11:21] <pauliukas> I guess that xorg.conf is only executed when restarted?
[11:21] <ThreeDayMonk> Artemis3: thanks
[11:22] <zyga> pauliukas: then I'm not sure :-)
[11:22] <marska> Asian: Just use Debian
[11:22] <jc-denton> topyli: can you paste yours somewhere?
[11:22] <topyli> samuel: which is sort of sad because half the fun in a virgin debian installation is the set-it-up-so-it-works-for-you part :)
[11:22] <zyga> marska: gnome has cd burning built in
[11:22] <libben> marska, open a console and type naut and hit tab like 2,3 times
[11:22] <pauliukas> zyga, Seems that my old laptop HDD will have a use now.
[11:22] <pauliukas> Thanks for the help
[11:22] <topyli> jc-denton: sudoers? ok, join #flood
[11:22] <marska> Libben: No UI?
[11:22] <kent> Does not Apache allow to fetch files from /home?  Im running my own private webpage for personal stuff (diary etc), and would like to fetch pictures thar I archive in my home folder. It seems stupid to have the pictures on two places at one time.. :(
[11:22] <dabi> how can i change device driver? i have a webcam but it has got wrong driver set automatically by ubuntu..
[11:23] <zyga> pauliukas: it suxx on old hardware
[11:23] <hawke> kent: It needs to go in ~/public_html
[11:23] <libben> well... u can rightclick on files when ur browsing them from places and select burn
[11:23] <samuel> topyli: two questions: does it have synaptic and are debs interchangable?
[11:23] <hawke> kent: at least by default.
[11:23] <asian> Is this chat about debian or ubuntu?
[11:23] <zyga> pauliukas: I've got pentium 2 with 128MB and it's barely usable
[11:23] <pauliukas> Oh and, Does anyone know how to install the MN-520 wireless card on Ubuntu?
[11:23] <samuel> topyli: as in are debs interchangable between ubuntu and debian?
[11:23] <pauliukas> zyga, My laptop is an AMD 2500+ with 512mb or RAM
[11:23] <libben> hmm... or not =) i couldent select burn =)
[11:23] <pauliukas> I guess that's enough for Linux, is it?
[11:23] <zyga> pauliukas: try ndiswrapper if it's not supported out of the box
[11:23] <jc-denton> topyli: ok i did
[11:23] <libben> does it need to have a mounted blank in it?
[11:23] <zyga> pauliukas: then it's going to rock :-)
[11:24] <topyli> samuel: synaptic is the primary tool. all the debs are recompiled and put to ubuntu repos. it's nice
[11:24] <Artemis3> zyga: why not use xfce4 ?
[11:24] <pauliukas> hehe :-)
[11:24] <marska> Libben: Are there any special commands for burning ISO's?
[11:24] <pauliukas> zyga, I only uised Linux for servers so far
[11:24] <zyga> Artemis3: I'm using xdcmp to log into amd64 :-)
[11:24] <zyga> Artemis3: it's really snappy this way :>
[11:24] <dabi> how can i change devices driver?
[11:24] <asian> Wireless - try conexant wrapper
[11:24] <zyga> Artemis3: and I can work from my bed :>
[11:24] <Artemis3> oh..
[11:24] <lewwy_> goddamn netsplit
[11:24] <libben> marska, dont know... never burned with linux =) im gonna find a program to burn dvd's though =)
[11:24] <CompotatoJ> I accidentally did an rm -rf on a folder but frgt i had mounted a vfat hd to it, i cancelled after like 2 seconds is there any way to recover from the rm'ed files
[11:24] <topyli> jc-denton: got it?
[11:25] <zyga> pauliukas: good luck, I've got my wifi card working few days ago
[11:25] <Artemis3> i tho you meant using it in the console
[11:25] <marska> Libben: Well shit.. Why am I not using Windows again?
[11:25] <samuel> topyli: debs are recompiled? so if i have my own debs i will need to recompile them? or are they just recompiled for branding purposes?
[11:25] <pauliukas> zyga, Also... Does the Live CD take more RAM than the "real stuff"?
[11:25] <zyga> pauliukas: a bit
[11:25] <zyga> pauliukas: think filesystem
[11:25] <thoreauputic> CompotatoJ: no
[11:25] <pauliukas> zyga, Hmm... It's now using 250mb at only Xchat and 'top' opened...
[11:25] <CompotatoJ> thoreauputic, im totally screwed?
[11:25] <pauliukas> Err... I mean 300mb
[11:25] <CompotatoJ> thoreauputic, so it deleted some _forever_?
[11:25] <thoreauputic> CompotatoJ: short of major rescue expense, probably yes
[11:26] <ThreeDayMonk> how big does a /boot partition need to be?
[11:26] <topyli> samuel: they're recompiled on ubuntu to make sure they work. debian debs may work too (your own debs probably will), but it's all there in the ubuntu repos anyway
[11:26] <libben> marska, good q =) well... u can do this ive just checked it out
[11:26] <dabi> how can i change device driver? i have a webcam but it has got wrong driver set automatically by ubuntu..
[11:26] <CompotatoJ> thoreauputic, damn
[11:26] <thoreauputic> CompotatoJ: *nix does as it's told
[11:26] <pauliukas> ThreeDayMonk, As little as 10mb
[11:26] <CompotatoJ> thoreauputic, i hate that
[11:26] <marska> Libben: Burn a bootable ISO CD?
[11:26] <libben> u open ur home folder with gnomes "Places" button
[11:26] <zyga> pauliukas: gnome is weighty - real stuff works great
[11:26] <ThreeDayMonk> pauliukas: thanks
[11:26] <CompotatoJ> i hope i have a backup
[11:26] <L3th3M> hi someone
[11:26] <libben> marska, thnk so
[11:26] <libben> think
[11:26] <zyga> pauliukas: I'm typing this from amd 2000, 512
[11:26] <asian> use twm for lightweight gui
[11:26] <topyli> samuel: also, because ubuntu is frozen every six months and unstable is unstable you never know when unstable debs work and when not
[11:26] <marska> Ga'h...
[11:27] <theine> marska: right click the iso in nautilus and select "write to cd" or something
[11:27] <thoreauputic> CompotatoJ: you prefer an OS that doesn't do what you tell it to do?
[11:27] <marska> I really don't need a coaster.
[11:27] <pauliukas> zyga, Hmm. I though that Gnome was smaller than KDE!
[11:27] <Artemis3> gao~
[11:27] <zyga> pauliukas: it eats 214 with firefox lots of terminals and stuff
[11:27] <libben> if u put in a blank cd... and it will get mounted and pop up,... just drop the files onto it.
[11:27] <pauliukas> zyga, I like Gnome's "Mac Os X" look :-)
[11:27] <marska> Pauliukas: If your looking for small, try XFCE
[11:27] <CompotatoJ> thoreauputic, no, OMG thank linus! i have a backup!!!
[11:27] <samuel> topyli: ok, thanks for all the info... gonna go leave the download alone now, hopefully next time im in this chat its on an ubuntu distro
[11:27] <samuel> thanks again
[11:27] <libben> and rightclick in the box and select write to disc
[11:27] <holycow> another thing i realized, do you guys know that you can basically plug an ubuntu desktop into a windows workgrouped/domained (without ad... not sure just yet about that) environment and just go?
[11:27] <zyga> pauliukas: tought to say it varies with time really
[11:27] <holycow> this is amazing
[11:27] <L3th3M> anyone know about mono?
[11:27] <pauliukas> zyga, Any other Window managers that look nromal. That you would suggesst?
[11:27] <zyga> pauliukas: I'm not really using kde lately
[11:27] <tidalwav1> hi all
[11:27] <thoreauputic> CompotatoJ: aha - well done you :)
[11:28] <theine> marska: wait, you want to _create_ a bootable cd?
[11:28] <asian> Mono - DOT NET for Linux
[11:28] <tidalwav1> I cannot get the game stepmania running on my hoary installation
[11:28] <zyga> pauliukas: I only use gnome and fluxbox (not on ubuntu though)
[11:28] <CompotatoJ> thoreauputic, good thing my hd was failing, i made 2 backups
[11:28] <marska> theine: Yes... Burn a ISO to a CD so that I can boot off that CD.
[11:28] <topyli> jc-denton: you do know how _not_ to edit the sudoers file? :)
[11:28] <pauliukas> zyga, Ah ok
[11:28] <L3th3M> asian, do you use mono?
[11:28] <Arnia> .net is just a marketing name... mono is the ECMA Common Language Infrastructure for posix systems
[11:28] <tidalwav1> anyone know about cryptic ALSA errors?
[11:29] <whiskers> what i would like to know is why the menu fonts are nice and large on oo2 under win98 but tiny under gnome
[11:29] <thoreauputic> pauliukas: define "normal" ;)
[11:29] <theine> marska: An ISO that you created?
[11:29] <whiskers> it doesn't make sense
[11:29] <radikal1> zyga: ok, I have mplayer installed, but I can't find real codecs for it?  I do haev the multiverse thing turned on but I don't see them
[11:29] <theine> marska: or did you download that ISO somewhere?
[11:29] <pauliukas> zyga, Oh and... Can you suggesst me a good WYSIWYG HTML editor for Linux? I know about Nvu and OpenOffice but I want something as robust as Dreamweaver
[11:29] <jc-denton> topyli: i use visudo
[11:29] <jc-denton> topyli: thx a lot!
[11:29] <jc-denton> ;)
[11:29] <WeirdAl> cheers kent and afroperson if you're still there. FTP's up and running, ostensibly :)
[11:29] <thoreauputic> pauliukas: good luck
[11:29] <libben> I want to get flash working in mozilla... so i downloaded the flashplayer-mozilla and ive even restarted the box... cause i did this morning before i went to sleep... so why aint flash working in ff? it still pops up, u need to download plugin.... anyone ?
[11:30] <pauliukas> thoreauputic, Customizable, and not something that looks from a 1980 terminal :-)
[11:30] <whiskers> does anybody know the answer to this?
[11:30] <jc-denton> kde does not work withought sudo
[11:30] <holycow> pauliukas, the only thing that comes close is quanta
[11:30] <holycow> and its a kde app
[11:30] <tidalwav1> I get a "segmentation fault" error when I try to run Stepmania...I think it has to do with ALSA...anyone?
[11:30] <holycow> it will require tons of kde libraries to be installed
[11:30] <zyga> pauliukas: hmm don't know really - I use vim ;] 
[11:30] <thoreauputic> pauliukas: I like fluxbox - it's a matter of taste really
[11:30] <zyga> pauliukas: WYSIWYG is WHAT YOU GET IS CRAP ;] 
[11:30] <pauliukas> zyga, Heh. I'm still quite graphical for HTML. But I do use a lot of hand editing
[11:30] <zyga> pauliukas: cannot help you here :)
[11:30] <Artemis3> so thats what you see? :)
[11:31] <pauliukas> zyga, I'm more of a 'nano' person :-)
[11:31] <asian> what about ICEWM Light GUI?
[11:31] <radikal1> zyga: where should I be lookign for these codecs?
[11:31] <Artemis3> pico pico
[11:31] <theine> pauliukas: poor you
[11:31] <topyli> pauliukas: there's no real linux equivalent for dreamweaver
[11:31] <zyga> pauliukas: ah, then you miss the whole beautiful world of emacs vs vim flame fest ;] 
[11:31] <Artemis3> hmm
[11:31] <tidalwav1> what about NVU?
[11:31] <pauliukas> How about Wine or Cadega?
[11:31] <Artemis3> nvu?
[11:31] <zyga> radikal1: ./configure mplayer and see what codecs are listed as disabled
[11:31] <marska> theine: Its a downloaded ISO
[11:31] <topyli> pauliukas: quanta and screem have some of its good things i hear
[11:31] <zyga> radikal1: then google and build one
[11:31] <asian> there is a report about running dreamweaver  on Wine / emulator
[11:31] <zyga> radikal1: (or install from ubuntu archive)
[11:31] <tidalwav1> yes, NVU, it's yet another WYSIWYG editor
[11:32] <tidalwav1> I believe there is a linux version
[11:32] <juser> forget dreamweav, use something like mamboserver.com ;)
[11:32] <theine> marska: well then just right-click in nautilus and burn away...
[11:32] <thoreauputic> radikal1: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:32] <radikal1> zyga: I have searched the ubuntu archive, but i don't see them
[11:32] <theine> marska: it'll be a bootable CD
[11:32] <tidalwav1> http://nvu.com :)
[11:32] <Arnia> Plone or Isia forever ;)
[11:32] <zyga> radikal1: then search google
[11:32] <zyga> radikal1: I always build mplayer and libs myself - waay faster
[11:32] <thoreauputic> radikal1: see the link I posted and  ubuntuguide.org
[11:32] <pauliukas> Hmm. Quanta looks sweat!
[11:32] <zyga> radikal1: ./configure --prefix=$HOME/local
[11:32] <pauliukas> But.. I hate KDE :-('
[11:33] <whiskers> it just doesn't make sense
[11:33] <tidalwav1> pauli: like I said, try NVU :p
[11:33] <dabi> how can i change device driver? i have a webcam but it has got wrong driver set automatically by ubuntu..
[11:33] <zenrox> pauliukas, try bluefish?? i think thats the name
[11:33] <whiskers> why are the menu fonts in oo2 nice in win98 but very tiny on gnome
[11:33] <topyli> pauliukas: quanta works in gnome, you just need some libraries
[11:33] <WeirdAl> How do I fix this?
[11:33] <WeirdAl> Connected to 192.168.1.3.
[11:33] <WeirdAl> 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection
[11:33] <topyli> pauliukas: check out screem first, it's a real gnome app :)
[11:33] <Arnia> Politely of course ;)
[11:33] <WeirdAl> How do I stop it closing the connection?
[11:33] <theine> radikal1: have a look at http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[11:34] <whiskers> now firefox has nice size menu fonts in gnome and win98...so why not oo2
[11:34] <pauliukas> topyli, I see it. it's not WYSIWYG, but it seems very nice for PHP development!
[11:35] <topyli> pauliukas: afaik, screem is not wysiwyg either, it just has a nifty preview mode :)
[11:35] <marska> theine: Okay. Thanks.
[11:35] <Arnia> whiskers: OOo2 is fine here...
[11:35] <pauliukas> topyli, Yeah... However I can use a combination of programs to get the work done :-)
[11:35] <topyli> sure
[11:35] <pauliukas> Has anyone have experience with Wine or Cadega?
[11:35] <_tidalwav1> pauli: yes :)
[11:35] <juser> I have messed with wine
[11:35] <theine> marsk: np
[11:36] <andril> Hello all
[11:36] <_tidalwav1> hi andril
[11:36] <martex> hi
[11:36] <holycow> and open office to the rescue yet again, with old word perfect files
[11:36] <holycow> god i love open source
[11:36] <pauliukas> _tidalwav1, What about speed wise?
[11:36] <topyli> pauliukas: personally, i get my work done just fine with nvu. my pages are just a few... you know, pages :)
[11:36] <holycow> today is just rockin for me as you can tell :)
[11:36] <pauliukas> _tidalwav1, Is it barable?
[11:36] <_tidalwav1> pauli: depends on what you're using it for
[11:36] <whiskers> Arnia, oo2 looks very bad here...the menu fonts seem to be about 8 or 9 pitch
[11:36] <_tidalwav1> wine is much different than cedega
[11:36] <martex> do you knoe the google apis?
[11:36] <pauliukas> _tidalwav1, Dreamweaver, Fireworks and PhotoShop (sorry Gimp)
[11:36] <whiskers> Arnia, i can't understand why they are nice on win98
[11:37] <Arnia> whiskers: Did you download the gnome GUI for it?
[11:37] <_tidalwav1> pauli: wine will work fine for those, most likely. how new is your hardware?
[11:37] <whiskers> Arnia, oh...i did not know there was such a thing
[11:37] <whiskers> Arnia, what is it called
[11:37] <pauliukas> _tidalwav1, Bought it this summer. 512MB RAM and AMD Athlon XP 2500+
[11:37] <CompotatoJ> thoreauputic, rm deletes quick =]  i did a:  find /mnt/hd > hd1.txt for both and diffed them, it deleted like 1000 files in 2 seconds
[11:37] <_tidalwav1> pauli: you should be good to go.
[11:37] <ante> hello... how to install w32codecs on ubuntu?
[11:38] <Arnia> whiskers: OOo2 separates its control and model from its view so that it can be used in differing desktop environments... I'll just find the packagename
[11:38] <Xappe> have you guys any nice tips on the "mounted devices not showing up on the desktop nor the Places menu" issue?
[11:38] <_tidalwav1> pauli: make sure you install winesetuptk also.
[11:38] <ante> there is no package w32codecs in any repository
[11:38] <zyga> ante: fetch them from mplayer's site and install in /usr/lib/win32
[11:38] <pauliukas> _tidalwav1, Is the speed equivalent to a 400mhz Windows box? BEcause I can't use anythign slower than that.
[11:38] <whiskers> Arnia, ok it is important to have  oo2 work just as good on linux as win98
[11:38] <Boin> server irc.AlKaHoliX.com
[11:38] <thoreauputic> CompotatoJ: yeah I know - i once accidentally did a rm -rf / and lost half my woody files before I could ctrl-C :/
[11:38] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell ante uburestricted
[11:38] <Pyre> ante: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:38] <_tidalwav1> pauli, are you familiar with the windows program foobar2000
[11:38] <Arnia> whiskers: openoffice.org2-gnome
[11:39] <whiskers> Arnia, ok let me try
[11:39] <pauliukas> _tidalwav1, Nope
[11:39] <matteo> Hi all, i have a problem with nautilus and fstab... I don't see the mounted windows volume in the desktop (ubuntu hoary)
[11:39] <kbrooks> thoreauputic, HALF?
[11:39] <apokryphos> ante: that talks it all through. You have to add the marillat repository
[11:39] <thoreauputic> CompotatoJ: I put it all back together with dpkg and apt - boy was I impressed
[11:39] <LeeColleton> thoreauputic: there is a way around that..
[11:39] <Artemis3> ante: http://ubuntuguide.org/temp/#extrarepositories
[11:39] <_tidalwav1> pauli: k, it's a media player, I'm running ubuntu on a pentium 2 450, and foobar under wine runs fine
[11:39] <martex> ciao matteo...
[11:39] <theine> ante: or "wget ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/w32codecs_20050216-0.0_i386.deb" and the "sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20050216-0.0_i386.deb"
[11:39] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: slight exageration, but a lot
[11:40] <kbrooks> thoreauputic, how did you put it back together
[11:40] <_tidalwav1> pauli: the game starcraft is also playable :)
[11:40] <matteo> ciao martex :)
[11:40] <martex> le hai montate duranbte l'installazione?
[11:40] <kbrooks> theine, no. simple:
[11:40] <kbrooks> dpkg -i
[11:40] <LeeColleton> make a /.NODELETE file and set it with the archive bit
[11:40] <kbrooks> theine, oops
[11:40] <kbrooks> theine, i mean
[11:40] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: I had a back up on another machine of a lot of the debs
[11:40] <_tidalwav1> pauli: with specs like your compy, everything should run at a fairly normal speed.
[11:40] <kbrooks> theine, apt-get -d install
[11:40] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: and I used dpkg and apt in alternation
[11:40] <pauliukas> _tidalwav1, Oh... I have a 3ghz computer for little gaming (I build website on games... I deal with an imature community but, there's demand for such sites)
[11:40] <theine> kbrooks: what?
[11:41] <matteo> martex: no, come lo metto a mano? Ho inserito /dev/hda1       /mnt/win        vfat            rw,users,noauto,utf8    0 0
[11:41] <kbrooks> thoreauputic, "in alternation"?
[11:41] <adamh> With ATI's fglrx drivers, my laptop crashes when it tries to resume from suspend. Does anyone else have this problem? (it's not on bugzilla...)
[11:41] <kbrooks> theine, man apt-get
[11:41] <_tidalwav1> so yeah, does anyone know anything about ALSA errors
[11:41] <kbrooks> theine, i meant apt-get -d install ...
[11:41] <mjr> adamh, from what I hear, it's a known feature of both the ati and nvidia binary drivers
[11:41] <CompotatoJ> thoreauputic, nice job
[11:41] <theine> kbrooks: w32codecs is not in the Ubuntu repos
[11:41] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: yes, like dpkg -i * ; apt-get -f install
[11:41] <martex> ok, non so se  quella giusta ma penso di si
[11:41] <Artemis3> rw...
[11:41] <adamh> "feature", heh :P
[11:41] <theine> kbrooks: as opposed to mplayer
[11:41] <mjr> (I use DRI, no personal experience)
[11:41] <martex> mount /dev/hda1
[11:42] <CompotatoJ> how do i see the amount of space taken up on a hd
[11:42] <kbrooks> CompotatoJ, dh
[11:42] <kbrooks> er
[11:42] <martex> e dovrebbe montarla nella directory da te scelta!
[11:42] <Artemis3> that would be mount /mnt/win
[11:42] <whiskers> Arnia, yes that fixed it...it looks beutiful...you are a genius
[11:42] <kbrooks> CompotatoJ, sorry
[11:42] <adamh> Hrm. I wonder how good DRI would be. I only need OpenGL support for some really simple 2d transparencies in Java. I guess I'll try switching right now :)
[11:42] <kbrooks> CompotatoJ, df
[11:42] <CompotatoJ> kbrooks, thanks
[11:42] <thoreauputic> CompotatoJ: it kept running because all the important stuff was in ram - I coild still use ssh - fortunately
[11:42] <matteo> martex, si, cosi' me lo monta... Il problema e' che non vedo sul desktop il device montato
[11:42] <theine> kbrooks: I just wouldn't recommend to enable add marllat's repos to sourced.list
[11:42] <adamh> mjr: Thanks :)
[11:43] <theine> sources.list...
[11:43] <kbrooks> thoreauputic, did you think woody was out of date by then
[11:43] <kbrooks> theine, why?
[11:43] <theine> kbrooks: because there is lots of overlap with multiverse
[11:43] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: woody is still running on that box :)
[11:43] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: it's a P200 mmx. 64MB RAm
[11:43] <kbrooks> thoreauputic, yes, but you recall woody IS ood (out of date)?
[11:44] <burgermann> I've installed KDE through synaptic, how do I enable it? :S
[11:44] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: not the way I use it - I ssh -X to my 2Ghz box and run gnome 2.8 :)
[11:44] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: works well
[11:45] <kbrooks> burgermann, you don't. you restart gnome and select kde in the sessions menu
[11:45] <burgermann> oh :)
[11:45] <Arnia> whiskers: No problem at all :)
[11:45] <ante> i added new repositories just like the wiki says and i stilla have no packages like w32codecs, flashplayer-mozilla, acroread etc.
[11:45] <ante> what should i do?
[11:45] <zyga> ante: refresh package list
[11:45] <zyga> ante: apt-get update
[11:45] <kbrooks> ante: DID YOU apt-get update
[11:45] <ante> zyga, i did thT
[11:45] <theine> kbrooks: In any case, why would I want do "apt-get -d install ..." first, and then "dpkg -i ..."?
[11:45] <ante> *that
[11:45] <zyga> ante: you could try gnome-software-properties too ;] 
[11:46] <zyga> ante: it's supposed to be user friendly
[11:46] <kbrooks> theine, -d downloads only.
[11:46] <pauliukas> Ohhh! I have RDP. I can just connect to a Windows box :-)
[11:46] <ante> zyga, what's that?
[11:46] <zyga> ante: try it ;] 
[11:46] <zyga> ante: python gui on top of sources.list
[11:46] <theine> kbrooks: I know, the question is why would I want to download only, if I'm going to install it anyway?
[11:46] <ante> zyga, bash: gnome-sofware-properties: command not found
[11:46] <zyga> ante: sudo
[11:46] <zyga> software-
[11:46] <kbrooks> so that you can install it, thats why
[11:47] <ante> zyga, nope
[11:47] <pauliukas> Also. Does Gnome support changing the mouse cursor? I can't stand this "toyish" cursor
[11:47] <zyga> how do I connect to xdcomp server without logging out
[11:47] <kbrooks> theine, i used the -d option to help someone
[11:48] <hybrid> hello everyone
[11:48] <theine> kbrooks: I see... keep it up
[11:48] <kbrooks> theine, yesterday, someone needed pppoe
[11:48] <CompotatoJ> should i add noatime to my hd's in /etc/fstab?
[11:48] <zyga> ante: hmm I think it's bundled with update-manager
[11:48] <kbrooks> so i grabbed it and dcced it to him
[11:48] <Arnia> pauliukas: apt-get gcursor
[11:48] <ante> zyga, i'm using warty
[11:49] <kbrooks> Arnia, no, thats wrong
[11:49] <hybrid> Arnia: hello
[11:49] <theine> kbrooks: This doesn't belong into this chat, but anyway: so?
[11:49] <zyga> ante: I'm not sure it's in warty
[11:49] <kbrooks> pauliukas, apt-get install gcursor
[11:49] <zyga> ante: upgrade to hoary if you can
[11:49] <ante> zyga, i KNOW it isn't... how can i upgrade to hoary?
[11:50] <Arnia> kbrooks: sorry, I was using apt-get as a verb (sign I've been spending too long on the command line :p)
[11:50] <theine> kbrooks: you said "use `apt-get install -d ...` first and then do `dpkg -i ...`"?
[11:50] <zyga> ante: edit your sources.list
[11:50] <zyga> and change all 'warty' to 'hoary'
[11:50] <kbrooks> theine, right.
[11:50] <roo_> hi all
[11:50] <ante> zyga, how? :)
[11:50] <roo_> :)
[11:50] <L3th3M> ante, I can help you
[11:50] <ante> L3th3M, please do
[11:50] <kbrooks> ante: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:50] <zyga> sed 's/warty/hoary' /etc/apt/sources.list # probably something like that but don't run it
[11:50] <theine> kbrooks: how is the result different from what you get with `apt-get install ...`?
[11:51] <zyga> ante: what's your beloved editor?
[11:51] <ante> emacs
[11:51] <zyga> ante: sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:51] <theine> kbrooks: ...without the -d option
[11:51] <zyga> ante: sudo emacs /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:51] <i3dmaster> anyone knows how to jump b/w channels in xchat-text?
[11:51] <CompotatoJ> ante: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:51] <L3th3M> ante you will need a text editor, somethink as gedit
[11:51] <Bazzi> i3dmaster alt+number usually
[11:51] <kbrooks> just telling ya, theine
[11:51] <ante> what now? i opened it in emacs
[11:51] <pdoms> Is it normal when I do "less /proc/filesystems" vfat isn't listed???
[11:51] <zyga> change warty to hoary and to sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:51] <i3dmaster> Bazzi: oh ok thank you!
[11:51] <ante> u guys seem to be very helpful... thx
[11:52] <L3th3M> on a terminal write sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:52] <theine> kbrooks: thanks :)
[11:52] <zyga> ante: find each 'warty' and replace it with 'hoary'
[11:52] <WeirdAl> Anyone hazard a guess as to why I'm only getting 40kps across my LAN?
[11:52] <L3th3M> yes
[11:52] <ante> zyga, okay... brb
[11:52] <WeirdAl> this is on FTP
[11:52] <kbrooks> pdoms, for what
[11:52] <WeirdAl> And i'm connected at 100
[11:52] <zyga> WeirdAl: check iptraf it might give you some insight
[11:53] <zyga> WeirdAl: check your log files
[11:53] <WeirdAl> iptraf?
[11:53] <WeirdAl> log files? Help :-s
[11:53] <zyga> WeirdAl: it's in universe
[11:53] <WeirdAl> ok, bwm
[11:53] <zyga> WeirdAl: /var/log/messages
[11:53] <pdoms> kbrooks, i'm checking out to config my fstab, wanna mount fat32 hd...
[11:54] <pdoms> but the type isn't listed in there
[11:54] <CompotatoJ> could some1 tell me if errors=remount-ro is on their root mount in fstab?
[11:54] <L3th3M> who can help me with mono?
[11:54] <kbrooks> pdoms, *h/o*
[11:54] <CompotatoJ> pdoms, vfat
[11:54] <andrek> i can open either applications:/// or preferences:/// - any suggestions on what may be wrong?
[11:54] <pdoms> CompotatoJ, but will it work if it isn't listed in /proc/filesystems ?
[11:54] <L3th3M> I am newbie with mono, and I want create a application for gnome
[11:54] <theine> CompotatoJ: It's on mine
[11:54] <kbrooks> andrek, can or can't?
[11:54] <zyga> WeirdAl: if you find nothing then it's not an easy answer ;] 
[11:54] <pdoms> kbrooks, what does *h/o* mean?
[11:55] <zyga> WeirdAl: what is your lan configuration
[11:55] <CompotatoJ> theine, thx
[11:55] <kbrooks> hold on
[11:55] <pdoms> k
[11:55] <CompotatoJ> pdoms, hmm
[11:55] <roo_> andrek, nothing is wrong if you are using Hoary. its meant to be like that.
[11:55] <ante> zyga: E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[11:55] <zyga> andrek: they're gone AFAIK
[11:55] <pdoms> I ask this because in man fstab it says the available types are listed in there
[11:55] <WeirdAl> zyga: WAN -> router -> 3 PCs
[11:55] <zyga> ante: which ones?
[11:55] <thoreauputic> ante: check you sources.list for errors
[11:55] <WeirdAl> It goes at full speed if I use the windows FTP server
[11:56] <ante> couple of the dunno which
[11:56] <CompotatoJ> pdoms, mine has vfat under there
[11:56] <L3th3M> ante, show us your source.list
[11:56] <i3dmaster> Bazzi: do you know why after a while xchat-text just threw out not /join any channel and error? I joined a channel but seems like after a while I didnot type it just kicks me out...
[11:56] <CompotatoJ> pdoms, i wouldnt try it
[11:56] <WeirdAl> zyga: iptraf just shows FTP activity.
[11:56] <theine> WeirdAl: have you tried ssh? same speed?
[11:56] <zyga> WeirdAl: what is your router
[11:56] <thoreauputic> ante: no, don't show us in channel
[11:56] <L3th3M> why?
[11:56] <pdoms> CompotatoJ, hmm ok, gtg, thanks for checking
[11:57] <WeirdAl> oh!
[11:57] <andrek> zyga, roo_; ok, what should i then use to ex add items to the apps menu?
[11:57] <WeirdAl> zyga, ignore me :-)
[11:57] <i3dmaster> thoreauputic: sorry I did not mean to flood...
[11:57] <WeirdAl> I found a max upload bandwidth setting
[11:57] <Bazzi> i3dmaster sorry, dunno, never used the text variant. maybe its just the channel?!
[11:57] <WeirdAl> Sorry!
[11:57] <kbrooks> L3th3M, flooding sucks
[11:57] <mohd> did anybody could help me about the software patent
[11:57] <mohd> problem
[11:57] <L3th3M> ohhhh, sorry ....
[11:57] <L3th3M> I am a ******
[11:57] <t3rror> i was wondering how hard it is to upgrade from warty to hoary
[11:57] <thoreauputic> i3dmaster: OK - why don't you try irssi-text ? it's much nicer than xchat-text
[11:57] <i3dmaster> Bazzi: not sure, strange
[11:57] <L3th3M> sorry, really sorry
[11:57] <zyga> andrek: hmm I heard there is a menu editor ;] 
[11:58] <L3th3M> mmm...
[11:58] <theine> t3rror: It's easy
[11:58] <i3dmaster> thoreauputic: oh well since I did not know it
[11:58] <zyga> andrek: but I just write my .desktop files and contribute if I think it's useful
[11:58] <i3dmaster> thoreauputic: let me try it now
[11:58] <L3th3M> anto...
[11:58] <thoreauputic> i3dmaster: give it a try
[11:58] <t3rror> is there a way to upgrade without downloading the new image?
[11:58] <WeirdAl> t3rror: I had a problem upgrading my laptop to hoary, but it was power-related
[11:58] <t3rror> apt-get style
[11:58] <WeirdAl> If you don't have a laptop then you'll be fine.
[11:58] <WeirdAl> Yes.
[11:58] <L3th3M> anto, do it easy, Open synaptic
[11:58] <andrek> zyga, ok. hmm, do you know how the menu editor works then?
[11:59] <WeirdAl> t3rror go to www.ubuntuforums.com
[11:59] <t3rror> wierdal > do you have a link to some more information?
[11:59] <t3rror> ok, thanks
[11:59] <zyga> andrek: I don't use any menu editors
[11:59] <WeirdAl> Search for ...
[11:59] <L3th3M> on repository list
[11:59] <WeirdAl> hang on.
[11:59] <zyga> andrek: I write .desktop files myself
[11:59] <L3th3M> change all "warty" by "hoary"
[11:59] <L3th3M> ok
[11:59] <L3th3M> ?
[11:59] <WeirdAl> sorry, www.ubuntuforums.org
[11:59] <t3rror> ok
[11:59] <holycow> oh i see one thing that can be improved, cd burner needs to be in the places menu, will post on wiki later :)