[12:16] <ubuntu> Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig
[12:16] <ubuntu> Abhngigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut... Fertig
[12:16] <ubuntu> Die folgenden Pakete werden aktualisiert:
[12:16] <ubuntu>   base-config mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb xorg-driver-synaptics
[12:18] <amu-> ppc, on a G4 works
[12:34] <amu> i386 works execpt bad looking X, GF GO5200, nv is detected, 1680*1050 fonts looks wired, wlan, auto-dhcp doent work on the ipw2200, if i run manual dhclient wlan works fine.
[12:38] <haggai> cool, got xine compiled with external libmad
[12:38] <haggai> I'll have to finish the packaging in the morning - need to fix depends/suggests
[12:44] <amu> mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb is installed, but no firefox
[12:53] <mdz> amu: testing install or live?
[12:54] <amu> mdz: live
[12:54] <cmf> why with ubuntu/debian does it show the swap drive and a 1K drive in media:/ ?
[12:55] <cmf> it just clutters it, can't it be hidden, are these drives really necessary?
[12:55] <cmf> also /dev is VERY cluttered, over 900 items?
[12:56] <mdz> very cluttered compared to what?
[12:56] <cmf> Arch Linux, my previous distro
[12:56] <cmf> about 30 entries iirc
[12:56] <cmf> not including dirs
[12:56] <mdz> that would surprise me; I'd like to see a file listing
[12:56] <cmf> okies
[01:00] <cmf> http://lootux.net/tmp0/ls_dev.txt
[01:00] <mdz> 90 ls_dev.txt
[01:01] <mdz> the only real difference between your listing and my local Ubuntu one is pty* and tty*
[01:01] <cmf> isn't it just clutter though?
[01:01] <mdz> I'm not sure why so many are being created
[01:01] <cmf> if it can be donw without?
[01:02] <mdz> yes, by definition
[01:02] <Kamion> why does it have /dev/cdroms/ and /dev/discs/?
[01:02] <mdz> probably  using devfs
[01:02] <cmf> discs are hdd's and cdroms are cdroms
[01:02] <cmf> nope udev, possibly teh devfs backwards compat mode thing aswell
[01:02] <Kamion> looks like udev with devfs rules (e.g. in the installer or something)
[01:02] <mdz> looks like devfs (notice "total 0")
[01:02] <Kamion> there is a tradeoff between cleaning up clutter and actually doing useful work :)
[01:03] <mdz> oh, hmm, tmpfs does that too
[01:03] <cmf> tis def udev
[01:03] <cmf> also, in media:/ the swap drive (i thin it's swap) and teh 1K 'supposed' drive
[01:03] <mdz> I know of no reason why 600+ tty devices exist all the time; /dev/pts behaves reasonably
[01:04] <mdz> s/exist/must &/
[01:07] <mdz> cmf: if you could send a tarball of /etc/udev on that system, I'd be interested
[01:07] <cmf> okies
[01:08] <mdz> this isn't something we're going to change 3 days before release, of course
[01:08] <cmf> wb
[01:08] <mdz> but those device nodes take a non-trivial amount of time and memory
[01:08] <cmf> yeah, realise that
[01:10] <cmf> ftp://ftp.archlinux.org/current/os/i686/udev-054-1.pkg.tar.gz
[01:11] <Kamion> cmf: (yeah, I know what /dev/discs/ and /dev/cdroms/ *are*, was just wondering why they were there)
[01:11] <cmf> look in that, it's all in ther
[01:11] <Kamion> we use them in the installer
[01:11] <cmf> Kamion: noticed that afterwards, sorry ;)
[01:11] <cmf> didn't mean to seem patronising
[01:11] <Kamion> np
[01:12] <mdz> gah, that tarball unpacks into cwd
[01:14] <mdz> cmf: what's in your 'legacy/' subdirectory/
[01:14] <mdz> ?
[01:15] <cmf> what legacy dir?
[01:15] <mdz> http://lootux.net/tmp0/ls_dev.txt
[01:15] <mdz> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root           0 2005-04-01 14:19 legacy/
[01:15] <mdz> that one
[01:15] <cmf> ah, that's not my server, it's one of arch's dev's
[01:15] <cmf> so no idea
[01:16] <mdz> from what I see in the udev config, the horde of devices that you noticed in ubuntu /dev are hiding in arch linux /dev/legacy
[01:16] <cmf> ahh
[01:16] <mdz> of course, nothing looks for them there
[01:17] <mdz> I suppose they're keeping them around until they determine for certain that they're unused
[01:18] <cmf> okies, well enjoying this, but must go sleep now, so nighty for now
[01:20] <uniq> cmf|sleeps: there will be a new version of rosegarden4 momentarily.. you'll have to chose the version.. because of my stoopid versioning of the virst package.. apt-get install rosegarden4=1.0-1ubunta0.2 - would be nice if you could test them tomorrow.
[01:20] <uniq> virst/first.
[01:55] <amu> another thing on the live my sys has 2 gig ram. live-kernel show me only 1
[02:13] <uniq> god damn.. my p4 is sloooow.
[02:21] <Riddell> amu: that'll happen, the default linux build has a 1 gig ram limit, you need to explicitly install the other linux build to use memory larger than that or more than 1 processor
[02:47] <elmo> Riddell: did you see my comment about gwenview?
[02:48] <Riddell> elmo: nope (had to rush out this evening), will look at fixing the clock now
[02:48] <Riddell> http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kmenu.png  big kmenu, good or bad?
[02:55] <cmf|sleeps> Riddell: good, i use 22
[02:55] <Riddell> cmf|sleeps: but the scaled icons look really bad at 22 don't they?
[02:55] <cmf|sleeps> all lokks good to me
[02:56] <cmf|sleeps> 32 is too big for 800x600
[02:57] <cmf|sleeps> 32 does loook nice though
[02:57] <Riddell> cmf|sleeps: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kmenu2.png  22x22
[02:57] <Riddell> they look really bad there
[02:58] <cmf|sleeps> 32 does lok nicer
[02:58] <cmf|sleeps> but i must sleep, nighty
[02:59] <Riddell> but we do need 800x600 support, and 22x22 looks really bad so I think it'll have to remain at 16x16 for now
[04:53] <Riddell> kdeaddons does not include akregator plugin
[04:53] <Riddell> and dh_install --list-missing doesn't want to work
[04:53] <Riddell> cp: cannot stat `usr/bin/atlantikdesigner': No such file or directory
[04:54] <dato> Riddell, if lines in *.install files don't carry a debian/tmp/ as prefix, you need an extra argument for dh_install
[04:54] <dato> is that the case?
[04:55] <Riddell> dato: yes it is
[04:56] <dato> then you need dh_install --sourcedir=debian/tmp ...
[04:56] <Riddell> groovy
[04:56] <dato> or, if it's a cdbs package, DEB_DH_INSTALL_SOURCEDIR := debian/tmp
[05:01] <dato> Riddell: were are you pulling kdeaddons from?
[05:06] <Riddell> dato: not sure, amu did it, I think he did it all himself
[05:07] <dato> ok. in case he's using cvs (kdeaddons is not kept in svn), make sure he's pulling out of KDE_3_4_BRANCH
[05:07] <dato> Ben (Burton) always uses the corresponding branch for each major version, so HEAD can by waaaaaaay outdated
[05:07] <dato> debian/ in HEAD, that is
[05:08] <dato> (and certainly, konq-plugins has the akregator plugin in our packages)
[05:11] <Riddell> doesn't seem to be the case, debian in kdeaddons from KDE CVS HEAD has up to 4:3.4.0-0pre1 which amu's version doesn't
[05:12] <Riddell> and debian in kdeaddons from KDE CVS HEAD include akregator which this doesn't
[05:13] <dato> mmm, HEAD?
[05:14] <dato> Riddell: btw, is there a repo of Kubuntu's KDE packages?
[05:15] <Riddell> dato: nope, we havn't managed to get one set up, part of the reason why we have such frequest uploads of packages is that there's no repository
[05:15] <Riddell> I hope that'll get fixed soon
[05:15] <dato> I see
[05:19] <cmf|sleeps> hi agan
[05:19] <cmf|sleeps> i can't frigging sleep
[05:20] <cmf|sleeps> went to bed 4 hrs ago
[05:26] <lamont>   kubuntu-desktop: Depends: kdegraphics but it is not going to be installed
[05:26] <lamont> bummer about the livecd rootfs.
[05:26] <lamont> (ppc, at least)
[05:28] <Riddell> kdegraphics compiled at 04:01 says buildlogs
[05:28] <lamont> and the livecd built at 04:15
[05:28] <lamont> which is to say, 18 minutes before kdegraphics entered the archive
[05:29] <lamont> well, s/entered/will enter/ :-)
[05:30] <lamont> Riddell: you want another livecd fs build on ppc once the archive snaps in a few minutes?
[05:30] <Riddell> I think I should upload this new kdeaddons too, it had a lot of missing files
[05:30] <lamont> I see.
[05:31] <Riddell> mdz: is that acceptable?
[05:41] <elmo> something's wanting to pull amarok-xine into main ...
[05:41] <Riddell> elmo: haggai added that as a depend on amarok today (better supported)
[05:50] <Riddell> kdeaddons uploaded, once that and amarok-xine are in we have a release
[05:50] <Riddell> haggai: have you got pitti to check over amarok-xine?
[05:51] <Riddell> python-kde3 being broken and random breakage of kdesu with kcontrol being largest problems, don't see either of those being solved
[05:52] <Riddell> would be nice to have rosegarden 1.0 in
[05:52] <Riddell> oh and what's the status of kdebluetooth haggai?
[10:03] <haggai> mdz: sorry about that, when I checked the deps I thought it would not affect anything else except the two amarok packages
[10:22] <mdz> haggai: can you change it back?  I don't want to do any more main<->universe migrations before the release
[10:29] <haggai> hmmkay
[10:57] <mdz> thanks
[10:57] <mdz> we'll be preparing candidates for the final release today
[10:58] <mdz> if there are any kubuntu show-stoppers, I need to know about them immediately
[10:58] <mdz> all uploads require manual approval now
[10:58] <haggai> mdz: linxine1 with mad code inside it
[10:58] <haggai> mdz: I'm almost done
[10:58] <amu> moin'
[10:59] <mdz> haggai: something other than amarok-xine uses libxine1 in kubuntu-desktop?
[10:59] <haggai> it did last time I looked
[10:59] <mdz> kaffeine
[10:59] <haggai> right
[11:02] <mdz> haggai: what about #8681?
[11:03] <mdz> is it as bad as it looks?
[11:05] <haggai> it's pretty bad if it hits you
[11:06] <haggai> I can take a look at it today to see if I can find anything.
[11:06] <haggai> ttf / amu: can either of you reproduce #8681 reliably?
[11:11] <amu> haggai: nope, tested it yesterday night with the liveCD, *worksforme* 
[12:55] <Riddell> haggai: are we going to upload a new kde-i18n?
[12:59] <haggai> Riddell: we'll have to ask mdz
[01:03] <Riddell> of course, and someone with a fast connection since it's a very large package was a remember.  any opinion mdz?
[01:03] <Riddell> haggai: how is kdebluetooth?
[01:35] <Kamion> mdz has gone to sleep
[01:35] <Riddell> bless him
[01:35] <Kamion> is the new kde-i18n just translation updates, nothing else?
[01:35] <Riddell> Kamion: just translation updates
[01:35] <Kamion> ok, please go ahead then, but do it quickly
[01:35] <Kamion> I want to build new images before mdz gets up again, if I can
[01:47] <haggai> Riddell: there were problems with the pin helper stuff last time I looked
[01:49] <Riddell> haggai: for what?
[01:49] <haggai> Riddell: as in, it didn't work
[01:49] <haggai> Riddell: (bluetooth)
[01:49] <Riddell> haggai: is pin helper stuff a debian packaging term or a technical bluetooth term?
[01:50] <haggai> Riddell: technical bluetooth.  When the devices first connect you have to exchange a pin.  This doesn't work unless you manually fiddle with config files
[01:50] <allee> Riddell: bt term
[01:50] <allee> haggai: did it work after you set the pin-helper to kblueping in /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf?
[01:51] <allee> haggai: it worked for me (like in debian)
[01:51] <haggai> allee: yes
[01:51] <Riddell> ah well
[01:52] <haggai> but hcid.conf isn't a kubuntu package so we can't just patch the package
[01:52] <Riddell> kde-i18n is a large checkout
[01:52] <haggai> s/isn't a/isn't owned by/
[01:53] <haggai> Riddell: yeah, I told you the diff was > 0.5 GB :)
[02:01] <Riddell> haggai: what's the best version number scheme for this?  kde-i18n-3.4.0+cvs20050406 ?
[02:01] <haggai> Riddell: yup
[02:02] <Riddell> checkout has reached portugese
[02:17] <ttf> haggai: couldn't reproduce #8681 on the live CD - well - it doens't ask for the root password anyways
[02:57] <haggai> Riddell: it is quite slow because make reads so many files
[02:57] <haggai> Riddell: it took a long time here too
[02:58] <Riddell> still running
[03:23] <Riddell> I forgot the -sa for debuild -S
[03:23] <Riddell> guess I have to start it all again
[03:23] <Riddell> haggai?
[03:29] <Kamion> Riddell: you can use dpkg-genchanges -sa to fix up the .changes
[03:29] <Kamion> so 'dpkg-genchanges -sa -S > ../kde-i18n_whatever.changes
[03:29] <Kamion> '
[03:31] <haggai> Riddell: ?
[03:31] <Riddell> Kamion: cool, thanks
[03:31] <Riddell> don't worry haggai, Kamion to the rescue
[03:31] <haggai> ah, thanks Kamion
[03:33] <Kamion> haggai: what's the status of this libxine thing mdz mailed me about?
[03:34] <Kamion> Riddell: I'd read the .changes afterwards if I were you though, to make sure it's sane
[03:35] <haggai> Kamion: I've been hacking out the libmad stuff.  Need to fidlle with automake-generated makefiles so I'm merging the changes over by hand
[03:45] <Riddell> "Error while uploading kde-i18n_3.4.0+cvs20040506.orig.tar.gz"
[03:45] <Riddell> doesn't say what the error was or anything useful like that
[03:46] <Kamion> the .dsc is there, nothing else is
[03:46] <Riddell> yeah that uploaded
[03:46] <Kamion> I suspect you timed out or something; can you upload from a faster host?
[03:46] <Kamion> or point me to it and I'll upload it from chinstrap
[03:47] <Riddell> Kamion: http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/away/kubuntu/i18n/cvs/
[04:00] <Kamion> ok, even dput from chinstrap doesn't like this, and there are no errors in poppy.log; wtf?
[04:02] <Kamion> I claim that dput sucks
[04:05] <Kamion> ... except that dupload breaks too
[04:05] <Kamion> I need elmo to repair this
[04:06] <Kamion> elmo: ping, when you wake up; poppy is being weird at me
[04:14] <apokryphos> Has anyone registered these channels yet? That should probably be done... 
[04:14] <haggai> apokryphos: I think I have them
[04:15] <apokryphos> Ok, that's good to know (there was an idiot in the other day =) ).
[04:15] <haggai> yeah I noticed but was asleep at the time
[04:15] <Riddell> haggai: can you give me ops on them?  just incase apokryphos's friend comes back
[04:15] <haggai> Riddell: yeah we need to try and cover all timezones
[04:15] <apokryphos> Riddell: hey, I already said he wasn't my friend :P
[04:15] <haggai> maybe I can do that without needing the pass
[04:17] <Riddell> apokryphos: just send him to some elite warez channels next time, then he'll get DDoSed out of existance :)
[04:17] <haggai> 15:16 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- An access level of [30]  is required for [ACCESS ADD]  on #kubuntu
[04:17] <haggai> hmm
[04:18] <apokryphos> Riddell: hopefully he's forgotten about the name of the server ;). I plan on making him, erm, sorry :D if I see him again.
[04:18] <apokryphos> (he won't be coming back though, I'm pretty sure. Just in case.)
[04:19] <haggai> the channel is registered with daniels and he only gave me and amu level 29
[04:20] <haggai> looks like this channel belongs to amu.  Riddell I could give you 29
[04:22] <Riddell> what does 29 allow me to do?
[04:25] <haggai> I think it allows you to use ops but not add anyone else to the op list
[04:27] <Riddell> oh that's fine
[04:34] <cmf> Riddell: hi, remember what i was mentionening about media:/ entries and my ipod?
[04:35] <Riddell> cmf: yep
[04:35] <cmf> fixed it
[04:35] <Riddell> how so?
[04:36] <cmf> just need to get /media/$bla to be teh nevice name rather than nodename now
[04:36] <cmf> hal
[04:36] <Riddell> what did you have to fix?
[04:37] <cmf> 1 min
[04:37] <cmf> just borrowd my old storage-policy.fdi from arch linux
[04:38] <cmf> i was an arch dev, and did teh hal storage-policy customization for arch
[04:38] <Riddell> what needed changed?
[04:39] <cmf> not sure yet, havn't diffed it
[04:39] <Riddell> ah :)
[04:39] <Riddell> well you should report it on bugzilla 
[04:44] <cmf> i've never used, diff before, how do i create a normal patch from it? itcurrently doing diff FILE1 FILE2 > storage-policy.diff
[04:44] <cmf> man page doesn't seem massive help
[04:45] <cmf> nm, got it, -Naur
[04:52] <Kamion> certainly always use diff -u at minimum
[04:54] <Kamion> how did you manage to develop a distribution and never use diff? :)
[04:56] <haggai> oh? which distro does he develop? :)
[04:56] <Kamion> 15:38 < cmf> i was an arch dev, [...] 
[04:57] <cmf> nah :P
[04:57] <cmf> i've moved over to kubuntu now, got tired of using a distro for power users more then desktop
[04:57] <cmf> i wanted stuff to just work
[04:58] <cmf> i did pkg maintainence, but never needed to create diff's
[04:58] <cmf> i maintained kde
[04:58] <Riddell> cmf: is there still someone maintaining KDE in arch linux?
[04:58] <cmf> yep
[04:58] <haggai> oh I see.  Didn't arch only just do its first release?
[04:58] <Riddell> that's OK then :)
[04:58] <cmf> i handed it over a few months ago, i didn't have teh time
[04:59] <cmf> nope, it's up to 0.7
[04:59] <Riddell> haggai: arch linux and ark linux very different
[04:59] <Kamion> I'm just slightly amazed at never needing to use diff, that's all - I use it hundreds of times a day
[04:59] <haggai> Riddell: ah there's my confusion thx :)
[04:59] <cmf> Kamion: lol :D
[04:59] <Riddell> ark linux being the result of red hat annoying it's KDE packager for years, I need to test it out
[05:00] <haggai> I was impressed that the ark OOo guy fearlessly turned on all the 64 bit patches
[05:00] <haggai> and then proceeded to add lots of fixes
[05:01] <cmf> ugh, samba is pissing me off
[05:11] <Kamion> haggai: impressed or "impressed"?
[05:12] <haggai> Kamion: heh, in awe that he was 1)mad 2)a sucker or 3)had oodles of time
[05:14] <Riddell> haggai: wouldn't they be required?  why have patches that break things
[05:16] <haggai> Riddell: you obviously never looked at OOo and 64 bit :)  The patches are just to make it compile.  Runtime, well that's a different story.  Unless you only want your OOo to run for less than 60 seconds
[05:16] <haggai> and then crash
[05:17] <Riddell> haggai: I've never had the privilage :)  how did you get it to compile and run?
[05:17] <haggai> Kamion: my xine change for upload is this: http://halls.debian.net/~chris/kubuntu/xine-lib.debdiff
[05:17] <haggai> Riddell: I don't have 64 bit.  The 64 bit ubuntu package is hacked together 32bit stuff
[05:18] <Riddell> ah, clever
[05:19] <Kamion> haggai: whyfor the libartsc0 removal from Suggests? otherwise looks fine
[05:21] <haggai> Kamion: once I fixed the shlibdeps script it started generating them all automatically.  Um, I meant to show the debdiff of the debs too, hold on
[05:21] <haggai> Version: [-1.0-1ubuntu2-]  {+1.0-1ubuntu3+}
[05:21] <haggai> Suggests: {+aalib1 (>= 1.2),+} libartsc0 {+(>= 1.3.2), libaudiofile0 (>= 0.2.3-4), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libesd0 (>= 0.2.29-1) | libesd-alsa0 (>= 0.2.29-1), libflac6, libgconf2-4 (>= 2.9), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 2.9.90), libmad0 (>= 0.15.1b), libncurses5 (>= 5.4-1), liborbit2 (>= 1:2.12.0), libsmbclient (>= 3.0.2a-1), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), slang1 (>> 1.4.9dbs-4)+}
[05:21] <haggai> Installed-Size: [-8848-]  {+8760+}
[05:22] <Kamion> haggai: whoa, Suggests fun; but yes, go ahead and upload
[05:22] <haggai> Kamion: ok, thanks
[05:24] <Kamion> Riddell: kde-i18n uploaded properly now that jackass' little ENOSPC problem is sorted
[05:24] <haggai> hehe
[05:27] <cmf> seems to be a problem with kaudiocreator and audiocd:/ kioslave
[05:27] <cmf> specifically, audiocd:/ isn't creating a audiocd:/WAV folder, and so kaudiocreator can't rip anything
[05:28] <uniq> cmf: hello, did you get my message?
[05:28] <cmf> nope
[05:30] <uniq> ok.. there are new packages at http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/ - i've fixed some versioning.. so you'll have to force the version.
[05:30] <uniq> apt-get install rosegarden4=1.0-1ubuntu0.2
[05:30] <cmf> okies, i'll test in an hour or so, i have some stuff to do, thanks though
[05:30] <uniq> ok.. would be nice with a status repport :)
[05:31] <Riddell> Kamion: ok, now we just have to hope it compiles.  what is Deir Yassin Day?
[05:31] <Riddell> what is ENOSPC?
[05:31] <Riddell> clipboard doing funny things there
[05:33] <haggai> no space :)
[05:35] <Riddell> ah, kde-i18n can have that effect on you
[05:53] <uniq> riddell: if you get some free time, it'd be great if you could review my rosegarden4 package.
[05:56] <Riddell> uniq: good idea, what's the URL again?
[05:56] <uniq> http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/rosegarden4/
[05:56] <uniq> deb http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/ ./ - should work.
[08:17] <Riddell> novo doesn't allow cvs from it
[08:18] <haggai> you could have moved the source packages there
[08:20] <Riddell> yes, if I'd had time
[08:24] <haggai> hmm I get a ftbfs even earlier
[08:24] <haggai> ERROR:doc/kig/scripting-api/Doxyfile.scripting-api appears in configure files, but has no .in file
[08:25] <Riddell> time to give up?
[08:27] <lamont_r>   kubuntu-desktop: Depends: kdegraphics but it is not going to be installed
[08:27] <lamont_r> is that the expected current state ofthe livecd? (kde-i18n caused???)
[08:27] <mdz> lamont_r: all architectures?
[08:28] <lamont_r> that's ppc. i386 and amd64 pending
[08:28] <mdz> lamont_r: does that mean the ubuntu rootfs builds are finished?
[08:28] <mdz> ah, apparently so (#u-d)
[08:30] <dato> (there was discussion on #d-d this morning about "stolen" changelog entries. seems amu keeps forgetting to do it right. zack said he'd pass by and mention, but I haven't seen him hear. if it was discussed on other channel, please excuse.)
[08:30] <dato> s/hear/here/
[08:30] <lamont_r> strange.
[08:30] <lamont_r> mdz: yes, Kamion is building cdimages now, I expect
[08:31] <Kamion> Riddell: I don't much like the idea of releasing with source out of sync with binaries
[08:31] <lamont_r> mdz: that is, I know he knows they're done...
[08:31] <Kamion> yes
[08:31] <mdz> releasing with source out of sync is unacceptable; if it doesn't build, it needs to be reverted immediately
[08:31] <amu> dato: yes ... i'll go into prison because of it
[08:31] <mdz> or fixed, but that seems non-obvious at this point
[08:32] <lamont_r> so, um, never mind on that whole kubuntu-livecd-dies-in-kdegraphics thing.
[08:33] <dato> amu: mmm, if that means it was already solved, sorry for the noise.
[08:33] <haggai> sounds like we should revert
[08:34] <Riddell> dato: what was the problem package?
[08:34] <dato> Riddell: kaffeine (not mine)
[08:35] <Kamion> that kaffeine upload probably won't make it into hoary anyway
[08:36] <amu> Kamion: it was from 0.5 ...  
[08:36] <amu> "* sync with debian"
[08:36] <Riddell> I can see the problem in that .po file and it could be easily fixed, which means another few hours or uploading and compiling
[08:37] <amu> and the funny things the guy took orig.tar.gz from ubuntu into debian
[08:37] <haggai> Riddell: it didnt' build on novo
[08:38] <Kamion> amu: for the same version number, taking the .orig.tar.gz is a perfectly reasonable thing to do, and avoids several problems
[08:38] <haggai> Riddell: see ~halls/packaging/kde-i18n/kde-i18n_3.4.0+cvs20040506-0ubuntu1_i386.build
[08:38] <Riddell> *** YOU'RE USING UNSERMAKE.
[08:38] <Riddell> *** GOOD LUCK!! :)
[08:38] <Riddell> the package wasn't made for unsermake
[08:39] <haggai> in that case it needs a build conflicts or for it to be turned off in the package
[08:39] <Kamion> I see, you forgot to create a new changelog entry to put the 'sync with debian' in
[08:39] <haggai> I have to go out for a few hours
[08:40] <Riddell> how do we decide between uploading again or reverting?
[08:41] <Kamion> that would depend on how sure you are that you have a simple fix that will build first time
[08:42] <Riddell> I'm sure the fix will work, the question is whether there are any other errors
[08:42] <Kamion> uploading again is cheaper in the sense that it won't involve a new .orig.tar.gz
[08:42] <Kamion> but riskier because this version has never been fully test-built (and thus, I assume, never tested otherwise)
[08:48] <amu> Kamion: nope, copied the debian changelogs added my changes, added a sync with debian.
[08:50] <amu> Guess the problem is, since ages there's a new debian version, the debian maintainer didnt take care about it, while i do.
[08:51] <Riddell> amu: what do you mean by the debian maintainer didnt take care about a new debian version?
[08:54] <amu> same with k3b. debian is 3 version behind 
[08:54] <amu> Riddell: new upstream versions, but no new debs 
[08:55] <Kamion> amu: correct way is copy Debian package, add a new changelog entry to the top with your change, if necessary use the -v option to dpkg-buildpackage to suck multiple changelog entries into your .changes
[08:55] <Kamion> anything else just confuses everyone
[08:56] <Kamion> including people like us who occasionally have to review changes and try to figure out what's going on
[09:00] <amu> good idea, multiple changelogs         
[09:04] <Kamion> just follow the way Ubuntu developers are working
[09:06] <amu> sure, i'll take more time for it.  
[09:06] <uniq> riddell: ok, should I change the version to ubuntu1, or does ubuntu0.3 do it? 
[09:08] <Riddell> uniq: change it to ubuntu1 and remove the 0.x changelog entries
[09:09] <uniq> riddell: ok.
[09:11] <mdz> what is the status of the kde-i18n fix?
[09:15] <uniq> riddell: should i add some 'sync with debian' or something.. to do it 'the right way'?
[09:15] <uniq> to the changelog.. 
[09:16] <Riddell> uniq: yes please, and make sure you've included all the changelog entries from debian
[09:17] <uniq> riddell:they are  in.
[09:17] <Riddell> mdz: I'm running debuild -S  (which takes about half an hour) and can upload (which takes longer).  or you can tell us to give up and revert it
[09:18] <mdz> Riddell: the only way to revert is to upload
[09:18] <mdz> Riddell: you can prepare the upload on the porting machine if that would be faster for you
[09:18] <Riddell> mdz: to upload what?  you can't upload older versions
[09:19] <mdz> Riddell: to upload a package with a version number greater than the existing one
[09:19] <mdz> we can't replace it with an older version
[09:19] <Riddell> right
[09:19] <Riddell> mdz: upload on the porting machine?
[09:21] <mdz> Riddell: yes, the machine at the data center where you all have logins
[09:35] <Riddell> there's no dput on novo, how can I upload?
[09:35] <uniq> riddell: http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/rosegarden4/ul/ - when you've got time.
[09:38] <Kamion> Riddell: lftp?
[09:41] <Riddell> I copied it over and uploaded
[09:48] <Riddell> uniq: "Add conflict with rosegarden2"  there's no conflicts
[09:51] <mdz> has 4:3.4.0+cvs20040506-0ubuntu2 been test-built?
[09:52] <Riddell> mdz: alas no
[09:52] <mdz> ...
[09:52] <Riddell> nowhere to build it
[09:53] <mdz> my understanding is that you guys all have accounts on a fast machine with fast internet, hosted by us
[09:53] <mdz> with a dedicated chroot for kubuntu test builds
[09:53] <Riddell> yep, it's got unsermake on it and kde-i18n build conflicts with unsermake
[09:54] <mdz> the solution to that, assuming you don't have the necessary privileges, is to ask elmo
[09:54] <Riddell> elmo: could you remove unsermake from novo?
[09:54] <mdz> if this situation isn't resolved soon, we are going to have to postpone the kubuntu release; this is a serious problem
[09:55] <elmo> Riddell: done
[09:55] <Riddell> thanks
[10:13] <Riddell> elmo: can you install dput on novo with an ubuntu upload target
[10:16] <uniq> riddell: oh.. it is now. thanks for noticing.. had only updated the local control file.. not the remote.. :/
[10:24] <elmo> Riddell: done
[10:25] <haggai> re
[10:26] <haggai> Riddell: how's it going with i18n?  Anything I can do?
[10:28] <Riddell> haggai: prepare a revert package incase this one fails?
[10:28] <haggai> Riddell: righty
[10:29] <Riddell> not that I'm feeling pessimistic or anything
[10:30] <haggai> -3.4.0+cvs20040506.really.3.4.0
[10:30] <haggai> I guess
[10:31] <Riddell> I was sure, would -3.4.0+orig20040506 work?
[10:31] <Riddell> s/was/wasn't/
[10:32] <haggai> yes, but then you can't do any more +cvs versions
[10:33] <Riddell> hmm yes
[10:36] <mdz> it's that, or an epoch
[10:36] <haggai> I'd rather save the epoch
[10:37] <haggai> that makes life hard to keep in sync with debian
[10:37] <mdz> most of KDE has been through, what, 4 epochs already?  what's one more? ;-)
[10:37] <haggai> lol
[11:04] <Riddell> uniq: what's your e-mail?  not root@lnix.net I hope
[11:08] <Riddell> uniq: only other change needed is s/unstable/hoary/ in changelog
[11:27] <uniq> riddell: ok, i'll fix both.
[11:31] <dato> mdz: in fact, somebody jumped from 2: to 4: back in the ol' days
[11:33] <Riddell> dato: would that not be to sync the epocs across all the packages?
[11:34] <dato> I don't think so, no, but could be. I wasn't there ;-)
[11:35] <uniq> riddell: there.. mail and unstable/hoary fixed.