[12:04] night all! [12:05] ! [12:05] nite =) [12:05] motaboy: [12:05] and the mirror [12:05] XD [12:05] burgermann: look at this sreeshot http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=156&slide=17 [12:05] [23:57] done [12:06] by, good night === bhna [~andreas@p54B80D4D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #kubuntu ["take] [12:06] ahh [12:06] what i add to my sources.list ? [12:06] bhna : Oh and I just click session and choose KDE? [12:06] http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~motaboy/ubuntu-experimental/ . [12:08] or better: [12:08] deb http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~motaboy/ubuntu-experimental/ ./ [12:09] if i install koffice, install the stable one :S [12:09] segfault2k: ? [12:10] my mistake === segfault2k shuts up [12:10] xD [12:11] eheh [12:11] night all [12:11] night man [12:11] :D === burgermann [~burgerman@0x3e42a174.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu [12:15] weeeell what can I say.. :) KDE is the best looking desktop in the know galaxy =} [12:16] and in the unknowns too [12:16] :p [12:16] hehe [12:16] well nite nite everyone === kay [~kay@p50838A9E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu [12:30] amu: what happened to kubuntu-base ? [12:31] kay: did that actually ever exist? [12:32] apokryphos: I still have it on my amd-64 [12:32] apokryphos: And is says amu was the Maintainer, so.. :p [12:33] oh [12:33] kay: it'll only be a metapackage though, so removing it won't do any harm [12:33] It doesn't come up in the repositories, so I assume it's now obsolte. Replaced by kubuntu-desktop, likely. === WillyTP [~WillyTP@host50-120.pool8250.interbusiness.it] has joined #Kubuntu [12:34] hmmm [12:34] well, i suppose it was thought of as a replacement of ubuntu-base [12:34] when will be official 5.04 released? [12:34] shouldn't be today? [12:34] But now that kubuntu is official ubuntu project, well, they share one base now [12:34] WillyTP: no, Friday. [12:35] apokryphos seriously? [12:35] I read on 6 :| [12:35] kay: precisely. [12:35] Friday apokryphos ? [12:35] BamaJank: WillyTP: Yup, Friday. The date was changed to give Ubuntu more time to package new GNOME [12:35] More important, when will the successor be branched :p [12:35] I wouldn't mind it being postponed a bit longer to allow time for fixes and such [12:35] ah ok apokryphos thanks [12:36] new Gnome, more than 2.10 ? [12:36] Nope, 2.10 [12:36] Isn't that old then already? [12:36] LOL [12:36] 2.10 was realeased March 9 [12:37] how far into ubuntu hoary was it before kubuntu was born? [12:37] What was the one released on March 9th? [12:37] Gnome 2.10, apokryphos [12:37] Yeah, then that one I presume. [12:37] hm, did you read that Slackware dropped Gnome because it is too hard to package correctly? [12:37] LeeJunFan: I think it's hard to say when it was actually born; KDE was in Warty, but that's not really Kubuntu there [12:37] apokryphos where do you read the news about 8 april? [12:38] WillyTP: it was on the Ubuntu-devel mailing list I believe, but it's mentioned on the Wiki too [12:38] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule [12:38] I think even Ubuntu should release when it's ready [12:38] ah yes day more or less nothing change [12:38] Not earlier, not later.... maybe just not as rare as Debian :p [12:38] was only curious [12:39] debian stable :PPP === segfault2k [~segfault@pc-13-79-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:39] debian's aged packages were the only reason I haven't been running debian for the last 8yrs. [12:39] LeeJunFan: we started the first kubuntu packages in December [12:39] well, stable yes, so you never tried testing? === pussfeller [~todd@d187.rtcol.com] has joined #kubuntu [12:40] I kind of liked testing, except that they have no desktop focus and no amd64 support [12:41] Only December... yeah, I remember reading something about it [12:41] kay: exactly. I meant for my desktop. Although my servers are all running mandrake at the moment because that's what I had and was familiar with. But not for long :) [12:41] I found, well, Kubuntu sounded like the wrong thing to do. It would always lag behind. [12:41] there was always one thing or another I was pissed at about Mandrake. [12:41] But as I read here, Ubuntu is not ready, but Kubuntu more or less is?! [12:42] kay: Yup === brainkilla [~chatzilla@217.26.66.134] has joined #kubuntu [12:42] LeeJunFan: what was it? [12:42] Linux distro's are an odd beast, they are as ready as they'll be that day. But linux is always evolving it's hard to pin down a time and say "it's ready" :) [12:42] how to enable root login in kdm? [12:42] kay: what made me fed up with mandrake? [12:43] or impossible, for Debian :D [12:43] LeeJunFan: Yeah... [12:44] how to enable root login in kdm? [12:44] brainkilla: You are not supposed to do that, but in kdmrc (use locate to find it) you will find AllowRootLogin= to control it [12:44] If I have the Preview version installed and just keep everything up to date, what would be gained by fresh installing the final release? Anything? [12:44] thanx [12:44] kay: first their disregard for others work. I don't mind additions or patches from developers, but I don't like mandrake going and changing things in a non-standard way. [12:45] BamaJank: there's essentially no need for a fresh install... all can be done by apt. [12:45] LeeJunFan: Nothing bad by itself, Kubuntu is changing KDE too, not? [12:45] kay: and their messed up devlopment with community/commercial. [12:45] Thanks apokryphos, thought so [12:45] I never installed Kubuntu so far, although I have it on 3 machines now [12:45] kay: yeah, I know - I don't care for the sudo hacks. [12:45] All are crossgrades from Debians [12:46] how do i get kubuntu if I am running warty === moominski [~moominski@cpc2-belc1-6-0-cust224.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu [12:46] pussfeller: You will want to upgrade to Hoary, then install kubuntu stuff [12:46] pussfeller: YOu should only need to put the apt sources for Hoary, then apt-get dist-upgrade [12:47] ah [12:47] Pyre: tell pussfeller ubuhoary [12:47] pussfeller: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary [12:47] kay: I don't mind branding/theming but I don't like when changes are made to source. At least kubuntu is WAY the lesser of the evil on that regard. [12:47] kay: well, and kubuntu-desktop ;-) [12:47] nod apokryphos [12:47] btw, kde is still not installable [12:47] LeeJunFan: Yeah, a lot of KDE devs complain about that; breaking up the packages... that's why a lot have stuck with Slack [12:48] kay: what? [12:48] kay: and it's not that I don't like the sudo way of doing things, just that it's not quite perfect _because_ that's not the way it was intended to be. [12:48] apokryphos: apt-get install kde does not work [12:49] kay: why ever not? :) Works fine here. Though, they don't seem to update that metapackage... [12:49] or, if they do, it's on a less regular basis === apokryphos goes to check 'kde' depends [12:49] LeeJunFan: I have no sudo without password and still everything appears to work fine so far.... can't go too deep yet [12:50] apokryphos: I cannot install kdesdk -> cannot install kspy [12:50] apokryphos: Cannot install kdelibs4-dev [12:50] kay: I still have problems with kcontrol modules that I need to go to administrator mode for. It's irregular and sometimes gives me a passwd prompt, sometimes not, but even when it does it seldom loads the module correctly. [12:50] sudo probably better than root cause most users cant even remember their u/p let alone another to do anything administrative [12:51] kay: I've got those installed fine. Could you pastebin all those errors? Like, tracing back to the package that is causing the problem... [12:51] I get that kind of this: libopenexr-dev: Depends: libopenexr2 (= 1.2.1-2) but 1.2.1-3 is to be installed [12:52] kay: of course as I say that both login and printer admin just worked for me. That's never happened (both of them worked) before. :) [12:52] maybe todays kde updates fixed it for me. [12:52] LeeJunFan: that are the ones I would have used.... [12:53] kay: well there we go. I just went from printers back to login (worked) then back to printer - hit administrator button and I'm looking at a red outline and it's stuck on Loading... [12:53] What really amazed me was that when i tried the fglx driver for my ATI on 64 bits [12:53] It just worked .... [12:54] Certainly good packaging from Ubuntu [12:54] LeeJunFan: Ah... might be something not completely OK yet. [01:01] someone has problems with kpresenter ? [01:01] :S === WillyTP [~WillyTP@host50-120.pool8250.interbusiness.it] has left #Kubuntu [] [01:09] when is the first release released today? === LeeJunFan [junfan@64-186-37-120.skycon.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:10] ok, here's a neat effect of kde/sudo hacking. [01:11] go to login manager, administrator mode, hit ignore when it asks for password, then hit administrator mode again. [01:16] lol [01:17] login manager? === cmf is now known as cmf|sleeps [01:18] Pointwood: under system administration [01:20] ahhh [01:20] doesn't seem to run quite okay, but I don't see anything really wierd [01:22] I got a nested admin - ie. 2 red outlines, one inside the other. And sometimes I even get the old kdesu login window :) === verden01 [~verden@cor6-ppp1000.ade.dialup.connect.net.au] has joined #kubuntu [01:27] Hi [01:27] ahhh [01:28] I'm way to new to KDE to notice that :D === Alienware [~alienwar3@cpe-069-134-063-153.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu [01:29] hi [01:29] can anyone help me? [01:29] well? [01:30] Alienware: just ask the question already :) [01:30] yeah [01:30] oh, ok. :D [01:30] hehe [01:30] whenever i try to install kubuntu.. [01:30] it asks me how i want to partition my disks.. so i choose the option: use available free space [01:31] but then it says i dont have enough free space.. and i have 25gbs left [01:31] so i dont know what im doing wrong, any help? >: ( [01:31] lol [01:31] have u got 2 hdd [01:31] noe [01:31] only one [01:31] one other partition.. but thats only 8 mb [01:31] Alienware: free space = no partition there, doesn't mean unused space in your windows partition. [01:31] oh.. i see. [01:31] any way i can fix this? [01:32] Alienware: do you have more than 1 partition? [01:32] yes, two, but one is only 8mb lol :) [01:32] the other one takes up the whole space.. cant i use a partitioner or something to fix this? [01:32] Alienware: that's not quite enough. ;) [01:32] yes.. i know that. xD [01:33] Alienware: yeah, I honestly don't know what (if anything) kubuntu could do for this situation, you could use partitionit. [01:33] would that like remove my whole partition for windows? [01:33] or just take some free space out of it? [01:34] Alienware: specifically you need a util that can shrink your existing parition down to make free space for kubuntu. [01:34] well, any way i could get a program like that? :D [01:34] can he not just resize his windows partition with kubuntu [01:35] i dont think so [01:35] ive tried that before.. i think. [01:35] custom partitioning? [01:36] ?? [01:36] ive been in ur spot before dude [01:36] could i just use partition magic instead? [01:36] moominski: I honestly don't know. It's been so long since I've installed linux on a machine that I hadn't made room for it beforehand I just don't know :) [01:36] hehe [01:36] I started using linux when windows 95 was new :) [01:37] wow [01:37] lol [01:37] if i shrink my ntfs partition to install another distro should i defrag the ntfs partition first? [01:37] yeah [01:37] well, I shouldn't say new - I think win98 beta was out then. [01:37] you can do that? shrink without wiping clean? [01:37] Alienware, i just had to do that last week, what i did is not the fastest way possibly but its easily do-able. [01:37] how lnog did it take? [01:38] yeah thats what partition magic and QT parted do [01:38] i think i resized my windows partition with mandrake thats how i did it not with kubuntu sorry dude [01:38] verden01: parted - that's what I was trying to think of. :) Damn my old neurons and synapses. [01:38] what i did was to install mandrake 10.x and use their partitioning tool to resize the windows drive and create the partitions i wanted to setup in kubuntu, wirte down the partition numbers, save the partitioning info and then escape the mandrake isntall [01:38] lol [01:38] isntall-install [01:39] yeah i hated mandrake [01:39] tek: haha, I was thinking of suggesting that. Mandrake does have 1 thing they totally kick-ass with is their diskdrake partitioning tool. [01:39] everyone complains bout it >: O [01:39] added about 15 to 20 minutes, but i have a copy of mandrake already, if you do not you could just download the first disk [01:39] it never upgrades properly [01:39] at least for me [01:39] hmm [01:39] ill think about it.. why cant i just use partition magic or something? [01:39] Alienware: you can. [01:39] it says here i can resize it and everything [01:40] oh [01:40] Alienware: if you have it. [01:40] why didnt you say so then? [01:40] oh lol [01:40] :D [01:40] dont they have a trial of some sort? [01:40] ive read that u can use partition magic [01:40] I meant to :) [01:40] Alienware: hehe, I said partitionit - I meant partition magic. Gimme a break. I don't use windows much :) [01:40] i only used it for the partition part, and since debian, ubuntu and kubuntu do have have a easy partitioning tool and it was a tripleboot system i opted for the asy way [01:41] Alienware: their trial doesn't let you apply changes last I knew. [01:41] heh thats uesful [01:41] shit 1 [01:41] is their warez talk allowed on here? [01:42] i just want to know before i blurt something out ;-) [01:42] only thing that happens when you resize like that is windows will want to run scandisk when it first boots, you should defrag your disk in windows before you do that though [01:42] Alienware: although I'm not an op here I would assume no :) [01:42] im a newb and i think the best thing to do is install linux on another hardrive thats wot i did cause windows never gets hurt and god knows ive hurt the lot whiped it all clean [01:43] well, is there no live cd with qtpartd on it? [01:43] maybe knoppix? [01:43] knoppix has it but i dont know about ntfs writing [01:43] remember its a ntfs partition your resizing [01:43] yeah, knoppix writes ntfs filesystem anyways [01:43] aanyways.. ill just get partition majic in other ways. [01:43] not 3.3 perhaps the newer ones do [01:43] probably only if the live cd has an option to install on to the hard drive like Knoppix and mepis [01:43] then i will use it.. mwahahahahaha! [01:43] get the first cd of mandrake its sweet partitioning tool [01:44] kanotix, mepis [01:44] ok well i have that.. so i guess i will instead of that other partition majic thing. [01:44] ill cya guysa [01:44] bye [01:44] he was in a hurry ? [01:44] i really which debian would repackage some of the mandrake tools for debian, give it a HUGE LEAP in functionality for noobs [01:44] when i buy my laptop this info will come in handy [01:45] lol [01:45] ubuntu is a big step forward for debian being noobie friendly [01:45] which=wish [01:45] moominski, the only way to learn is to try it just back up any important files on your ntfs drive b4 you do anything [01:45] i could never figure out debian back in the day, never could get it installed [01:45] yes, except the installer is no easier than the installer in debian sarge [01:46] its the same, just the package management and choices are bit dfferent. [01:46] slacware just dont like me ive tried and failed so many times with it [01:46] with the debian based distros now i think debian is the best distro out there. Has anyone ever tried Libranet? [01:46] moominski: wouldn't you be in a hurry to get rid of windows? [01:46] :) [01:46] i heard about that distro any good [01:46] its great [01:46] that is one i have not tried, nor have i tried conectiva [01:47] im staickin with kubuntu [01:47] Libranet 3 in beta now [01:47] wot about yoper [01:47] hey kubuntu is great [01:47] right now im sticking with debian, i will probably put kubuntu on my system when i swap from ide to sata drives [01:47] aye [01:48] after being on a bunch, it all comes down to packaging [01:48] wot the diff between ide and sata?? [01:48] and maybe autodetection and configuration [01:48] sata is fast, drives are cheaper for larger disks too, the cables are alot smaller [01:48] kubuntu recognised my sata drive and all my AMD 64 hardware perfectly. the only distro to do so [01:49] sarge would also recognize them without issue i beleve [01:49] cool [01:49] which can only be a good thing [01:49] :-) [01:49] is there any module I have to load for an isa soundcard [01:49] besides, the alsa module itself [01:50] mandrake 10.1 wouldn't load on my amd64 and suse 9.2 had troubles withmy gigabit lan [01:50] yeah the cards modules, what is the card? [01:50] yeah kubuntu just works which is good for noobs like myself [01:50] cat /proc/pci | grep audio [01:51] might need to cap that A in audio [01:51] at the end of the day a distro like kubuntu is great for noobs and power users because its debian [01:51] snd_azt2320 [01:52] i like the apt-get thingy lol [01:52] i got it working with warty, but i cant remember how [01:52] and hoary live cd it doesnt work [01:52] which is keeping me from upgrading [01:52] does any1 like gnome [01:53] its alright [01:53] not enough options tho === dalai [~dalai@200.69.105.4] has joined #kubuntu [01:53] yeah [01:53] no [01:53] but its getting better [01:53] kde rocks [01:53] yeah kde is my fav [01:54] pussfeller ok, so now look in /lib/modules/2.6.x/drivers/audio [01:54] the only thing i wish i could do now is play my games but i dont no how if possible [01:54] x is whatever version kernel your running [01:55] kde rocks, gnome is for trolls [01:55] just use a ps2 or xbox for games :-) [01:55] i think its a big gap that i cant play games on linux [01:55] something needs to be done [01:55] then send a letter to the game companies and tell them [01:56] yeah i know [01:56] well there are options so youcan play games === robin_ [~robin@debian.demon.nl] has joined #kubuntu [01:56] build your games for linux and you have me back as a happy paying customer, only build for winblows and i will save my cash [01:56] you can play alot of games [01:56] i think it wud make it complete for every1 thou [01:56] emulator programs but i don't know which is best for games [01:56] being able to play games [01:56] lotta great q3 mods out there [01:56] and et mods too [01:57] for free? [01:57] yep [01:57] take a look at xwine, or perhaps the changed the name again [01:57] if you have quake3 [01:57] ohhh [01:57] hey i think that even without the games youlike Linux is still great [01:57] <--runs quake3 on linus [01:57] et and derivitives are all free [01:57] serious sam plays relatively well on linux [01:58] yeah i love linux the hole idea of it being mine and able to do anything i want is great [01:58] what about win4lin or vmware for games? [01:58] directx wont work under vmware [01:58] k [01:58] or at least, acceleration wont [01:59] do u think in the future that more games will be supported [01:59] i dont know, id didnt even make a port yet for doom3 [01:59] and they released q3 for linux first [01:59] as linux matures of course games will be supported [02:00] sweet [02:00] guess i have to use shitows for games [02:01] :-) [02:01] just duall boot [02:01] best way to get games to work in linux is to bitch to the game companies en mass [02:01] i do i have 80gb windows hdd and a 40gb hdd for linux [02:02] great [02:02] yeah [02:02] well when you need to play games just boot into windows and lobby the game companies [02:03] gotta go bye [02:03] it is happening but a huge letter writing campaign would speed up the rate significantly, make sure you tell them the distro you run though or they will build only for redhar or fedora [02:03] yeah i habe been doin that === verden01 [~verden@cor6-ppp1000.ade.dialup.connect.net.au] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] [02:04] it has to happen [02:04] Good, that is what it takes [02:04] i do it with various hardware manufacturers [02:04] just save a draft of the letter mod it every few times and send it every other month [02:05] 5000 people do that and you have visibility [02:05] i think more and more people will convert to linux once its game compatible [02:06] i think any widespread adoption will be fueled first by people using it at work [02:06] they allready do [02:06] you are both right [02:06] dood, people, average people, you wouldnt beleive how clueless they are about computers [02:07] yeah like me [02:07] i had someone pay me MONEY to tell them how to download email attachments [02:07] well i got this far so im doin somethin right [02:07] i kid you not [02:07] yeah but now your running linux and your probably learning more than you did the last two years on windows and enjoying it.... Am i correct? [02:07] nice 1 [02:08] thats the problem, they use windows, but they never learn anything at all [02:08] only the programs they use at work, or whats on their desktop [02:08] yes i think ive picked up more knowledge in two weeks of linux than i have ever on windows [02:08] a smart user will not put up with all the problems of windows and still whip out a checkboook to send another check off to billG and friends. [02:09] it takes a special kind of ID-10-T to pay for problems, that is one of the reasons why piracy is so rampant [02:09] its actually hard to beleive linux is all free [02:10] since micrsoft make so much money [02:10] microsoft was stupid to ramp up its anti-piracy efforts [02:10] someone, (think it was Andrew Tridgell) made the comment, linux is free if your time is worth nothing. === markc [~markc@CPE-203-45-212-137.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu [02:11] now they are going to piss more people off [02:11] do u think microsoft is scared f linux?? [02:11] yeah thats the thing, linux is a pain to get stuff working [02:11] aye but its good [02:11] allways learning new stuff [02:12] they are in the business market sector [02:12] pussfeller> how long u been converted lol [02:12] either that or they are stupid, [02:12] yeah but if you build a debian box you can upgrade that damn thing for the next 20 years and not have to do a damn thing to keep it running [02:12] cause once business starts switching to osx or linux, it will trickle down and also the word stranglehold will cruble [02:12] if everything goes as expected [02:12] <--- doing just that pussfeller [02:13] i been using linux pretty much only for about 3 years [02:13] are able to do a lot of things on linux now? [02:14] u [02:14] yeah it takes longer sometimes and some things are a pain but then again, i dont have to mess with finding warez [02:14] i have not used windows for anything in the last 7 years except making money by fixing it. i have used linux on the desktop for the last 7 years [02:15] server included [02:15] there is certainly room for improvement tho! [02:15] and it is improving [02:15] wow nice 1 [02:15] FAAAAST [02:15] look at kde for instance [02:15] desktop has come along way in the last 3 years [02:15] wish i had your knowledge [02:16] wish you did too, i would probably hire you! [02:16] still slower than windows tho [02:16] gui anyways [02:16] but its evolving constantly [02:16] i wouldnt completely agree on that. slower than a microsoft product yes but non microsoft products are not as fast either because they have so much of the shit preloaded [02:17] is kubuntu 1 out yet [02:17] supposedly friday from what i heard earlier. [02:17] ahh good stuff [02:17] its april 6th! [02:18] don't know it will be called kubuntu1 though [02:18] :( [02:18] kubuntu final [02:18] yes === omni_lonnie [~lonnie@home.limbonia.com] has joined #kubuntu [02:18]