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| jsgotangco | greetings | 04:30 |
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| Liz | hiya jsgotangco | 04:31 |
| jsgotangco | waaa what a crazy day | 04:39 |
| jsgotangco | for the doc team | 04:39 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 04:39 |
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| Liz | is it?..ik now theres been alot with the translations as well | 04:53 |
| Liz | brb | 05:09 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://irclog.workaround.org | This channel tries to follow the tradition of the #gnome-love channel on irc.gimp.net, all new comers and questions are welcomed, as long as you follow the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct first. | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by sivang at Sat Jan 1 20:48:30 2005 | ||
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| jsgotangco | hello Burgundavia | 07:40 |
| Burgundavia | salut | 07:43 |
| jsgotangco | js : | 07:43 |
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| froud | African Greetings | 07:43 |
| jsgotangco | greets | 07:43 |
| jsgotangco | err whats an omf file? | 07:49 |
| froud | jsgotangco: its a file that acts as a catalog | 07:53 |
| froud | when registered to scrollkeeper | 07:54 |
| froud | it enables Yelp to automatically inlcude documents | 07:54 |
| jsgotangco | ohh | 07:54 |
| froud | he he ubuntu-devel is starting starting to catch fire | 08:02 |
| jsgotangco | it is pretty active lately | 08:08 |
| Burgundavia | hey froud. I emailed Thomas Black at TSF on March 25. I have not heard back from him. You mentioned that you might be able to speak with him. Is that still the case? | 08:10 |
| Liz | bbl | 08:18 |
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| jsgotangco | you mean the whole thing for Xhosa? | 08:29 |
| froud | no omf only | 08:30 |
| froud | meetings c ya later | 08:30 |
| jsgotangco | umm do i needto do an omf as well? | 08:31 |
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| froud | jsgotangco: what language did you do again? | 11:36 |
| froud | tl | 11:36 |
| froud | jsgotangco: yes it would be a good idea | 11:39 |
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| enrico | i'm online for 5 minutes | 11:49 |
| enrico | everything ok? | 11:49 |
| froud | enrico: I guess so, still no OMF for XH and TL | 11:56 |
| froud | other than that I just got back from meetings | 11:56 |
| froud | enrico: we should script make-po to create OMF files when a new document is added | 11:57 |
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| mdke | hi all | 11:59 |
| mdke | how are we doing on the omf files? | 11:59 |
| froud | just missing xh and tl | 11:59 |
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| mdke | :p | 12:00 |
| mdke | hi froud | 12:00 |
| === froud nods | ||
| jsgotangco | waa | 12:02 |
| jsgotangco | err | 12:02 |
| jsgotangco | how? | 12:02 |
| EricNeon | bye | 12:02 |
| mdke | heh | 12:03 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, yo | 12:03 |
| jsgotangco | waaa 2 omfs? | 12:03 |
| jsgotangco | @%#$% | 12:03 |
| jsgotangco | hold on let met study how to do it | 12:03 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, hold on | 12:03 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, nothing needs to be learnt | 12:03 |
| mdke | just check the mailing list, and translate those 4 phrases | 12:03 |
| jsgotangco | wait let me check my archives | 12:04 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, then once you've done that, svn up, open one of the omf files from the debian folder, change the phrases and the country codes, and you're done | 12:06 |
| jsgotangco | ok hold on i thought it was big | 12:07 |
| mdke | nah | 12:07 |
| mdke | easy as pie | 12:07 |
| jsgotangco | umm there's no english omf file? | 12:09 |
| mdke | no | 12:10 |
| mdke | that's the -C one | 12:10 |
| mdke | just use an existing country one so you see what you need to change | 12:10 |
| enrico | froud: I wouldn't automate OMF-making: that's so simple anyway | 12:10 |
| jsgotangco | ok ill just guess what these things mean | 12:10 |
| enrico | it happens so rarely that it's probably not worth automating | 12:10 |
| jsgotangco | and just send the omf | 12:11 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, good man | 12:12 |
| enrico | So, more OMFs came in? | 12:13 |
| enrico | How many still missing? | 12:13 |
| jsgotangco | ok just give me 5 mins | 12:13 |
| mdke | enrico, i just sent ca, tl is on its way | 12:13 |
| enrico | wow | 12:13 |
| froud | ca is commit svn up | 12:14 |
| froud | xh I have no response from translator | 12:15 |
| froud | will give a phone call | 12:15 |
| enrico | pt ca de came into my computer | 12:15 |
| froud | it was done at Wits Uni | 12:15 |
| froud | svn up and compare | 12:15 |
| jsgotangco | ok just 2 omf for about-ubuntu and release-notes? | 12:15 |
| froud | jsgotangco: yes please | 12:15 |
| jsgotangco | ok done | 12:16 |
| froud | sent to list? | 12:16 |
| enrico | Please tell me when I should do the last upload | 12:16 |
| froud | enrico: I will | 12:16 |
| jsgotangco | sent | 12:17 |
| jsgotangco | ! | 12:17 |
| mdke | ok great stuff guys | 12:20 |
| froud | svn add -N about-ubuntu-tl.omf release-notes-tl.omf | 12:20 |
| froud | A about-ubuntu-tl.omf | 12:20 |
| froud | A release-notes-tl.omf | 12:20 |
| froud | successfully (0) | 12:20 |
| froud | svn commit -m i18n omf about-ubuntu-tl.omf release-notes-tl.omf --non-interactive | 12:20 |
| froud | Adding about-ubuntu-tl.omf | 12:20 |
| froud | Adding release-notes-tl.omf | 12:20 |
| froud | Transmitting file data .. | 12:20 |
| froud | Committed revision 858. | 12:20 |
| froud | successfully (0) | 12:20 |
| mdke | yep they've come through here | 12:21 |
| enrico | $ svk pull | 12:21 |
| enrico | Syncing https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos | 12:21 |
| enrico | Retrieving log information from 858 to 858 | 12:21 |
| enrico | Committed revision 2451 from revision 858. | 12:21 |
| enrico | Syncing //docteam/trunk(/docteam/trunk) in /home/enrico/dev/ubuntu/faq to 2451. | 12:21 |
| enrico | A debian/about-ubuntu-tl.omf | 12:21 |
| enrico | A debian/release-notes-tl.omf | 12:21 |
| enrico | seb128 on ubuntu devel tells me that the version is "5.04", not "5.4" | 12:22 |
| froud | 5.04 should be | 12:22 |
| enrico | I'm fixing them all in the OMF files | 12:23 |
| enrico | Can someone check the other documents? | 12:23 |
| mdke | which need checking? | 12:24 |
| jsgotangco | its 5.4! | 12:25 |
| mdke | eh? | 12:25 |
| enrico | mdke: I did a grep in all the .xml files, and it seems to be ok | 12:25 |
| enrico | jsgotangco: 5.04, they say | 12:25 |
| mdke | cool | 12:25 |
| mdke | its def. 5.04 | 12:25 |
| mdke | ok looking in yelp the release-notes are clean | 12:25 |
| jsgotangco | are the omf files ok to have 5.4? | 12:26 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, no ;) | 12:26 |
| enrico | jsgotangco: should be 5.04, but I fixed it already | 12:26 |
| jsgotangco | ok | 12:26 |
| mdke | that was seriously fast enrico | 12:26 |
| jsgotangco | ah there | 12:26 |
| mdke | already in svn too | 12:26 |
| jsgotangco | svn up updated it | 12:26 |
| jsgotangco | ya | 12:26 |
| mdke | what a man | 12:26 |
| jsgotangco | were going to the distance *grin* | 12:27 |
| mdke | right i gtg to study | 12:28 |
| enrico | ok, so we only miss .xh? | 12:28 |
| mdke | yeah | 12:28 |
| froud | no response | 12:28 |
| enrico | wow | 12:28 |
| mdke | we rock | 12:28 |
| enrico | what language is that? | 12:28 |
| jsgotangco | woo hoo | 12:28 |
| froud | Xhosa | 12:28 |
| mdke | enrico, froud got it off the university | 12:28 |
| froud | African Language | 12:28 |
| enrico | froud: which one? | 12:29 |
| froud | Well actually Canonical paid Wits to do it | 12:29 |
| mdke | oh | 12:29 |
| froud | One of our 11 official languages | 12:29 |
| enrico | Zulu? | 12:29 |
| jsgotangco | ohh | 12:29 |
| jsgotangco | xhosa | 12:29 |
| enrico | ah, ok | 12:29 |
| froud | enrico: no | 12:29 |
| enrico | I had a look at the file, and it looks like ROT-13-encrypted :) | 12:29 |
| mdke | LOL | 12:30 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 12:30 |
| Burgundavia | I love it, SA has 11 official languages | 12:30 |
| Burgundavia | and their passports are in English and French | 12:30 |
| Burgundavia | French is not on the of 11 | 12:30 |
| Burgundavia | s/on/one | 12:31 |
| mdke | hi corey | 12:31 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 12:31 |
| jsgotangco | are those 11 languages or dialects? | 12:31 |
| mdke | ok i'm off | 12:31 |
| Burgundavia | 111 languages | 12:31 |
| enrico | Italy has 1 official language and none speaks it correctly | 12:31 |
| Burgundavia | make that 11 | 12:31 |
| enrico | None cares, even :) | 12:31 |
| jsgotangco | *grin* | 12:31 |
| froud | each language is different | 12:31 |
| enrico | Everyone's got they own local variant, and a local different language improperly called "dialect" | 12:32 |
| froud | enrico: I can giv eyou OMF files but they are just not translated. Is that ok | 12:32 |
| froud | but at least the user will be able to see the document | 12:33 |
| enrico | "trash" is "pattume" in Italian, "rusco" in Bologna and "rsc" in bolognese | 12:33 |
| === enrico needs to disconnect bye | ||
| froud | <colspec colname="C1" colwidth=""/> | 12:35 |
| froud | svn commit -m i18n omf about-ubuntu-xh.omf release-notes-xh.omf --non-interactive | 12:35 |
| froud | Adding about-ubuntu-xh.omf | 12:35 |
| froud | Adding release-notes-xh.omf | 12:35 |
| froud | Transmitting file data .. | 12:35 |
| froud | Committed revision 860. | 12:35 |
| froud | successfully (0) | 12:35 |
| jsgotangco | woo hooo we rock | 12:35 |
| froud | enrico: they are not translated but at least the users will see the docs in Yelp | 12:36 |
| jsgotangco | froud: i have a question about make po | 12:36 |
| jsgotangco | how come when i do it it patches some files and when i try to open thepatched files in yelp they wont open at all | 12:37 |
| jsgotangco | but when i revert they open correctly | 12:37 |
| froud | Problems in the po create invalid xml | 12:37 |
| froud | I see problems with " | 12:38 |
| froud | we will need to use <quote></quote> | 12:38 |
| jsgotangco | ahh i guess that can't be helped for now | 12:38 |
| froud | in en xml and so in pot and so in po | 12:38 |
| froud | ho ho ho | 12:38 |
| froud | not now | 12:38 |
| jsgotangco | 6 months from now | 12:39 |
| jsgotangco | *grin* | 12:39 |
| froud | enrico: sun up and build and upload we're done | 12:39 |
| jsgotangco | ok i guess we're all done im packing up | 12:41 |
| froud | enrico: can we get commit accounts for mdke n jsgotangco | 12:41 |
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| jsgotangco | that would be nice | 12:42 |
| jsgotangco | doh | 12:42 |
| froud | Oh no | 12:42 |
| froud | ok I will email him | 12:42 |
| jsgotangco | ok im out | 12:42 |
| froud | Time to get you two accounts | 12:42 |
| jsgotangco | that would be nice thank you | 12:42 |
| froud | you have enough experience to know what you are doing | 12:42 |
| jsgotangco | *grin* oh really | 12:42 |
| jsgotangco | hehhe | 12:42 |
| froud | no thanks to you for the help | 12:42 |
| froud | could not have done it wothout you | 12:43 |
| jsgotangco | awww that's nice to know well thanks again and see ya | 12:43 |
| froud | ok I am gonna tag | 12:43 |
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| === enrico uploaded 0.7 with the translated OMF files | ||
| enrico | devels are not happy: uploads seem to be very restricted today | 02:52 |
| froud-work | Hmm well if they would only talk to us | 02:53 |
| froud-work | but they get carried away and forget us, as usual | 02:53 |
| froud-work | enrico: I just got he Xhosa translations. Think if I commit them we can inclde it | 02:54 |
| enrico | froud-work: they advertised it in the topic of #ubuntu-devel and in the ubuntu-devel mailing list | 02:55 |
| enrico | I just happen not to read both of them | 02:56 |
| froud-work | enrico: that is not an excuse | 02:56 |
| enrico | (which is not unreasonable, if you're almost disconnected :) | 02:56 |
| froud-work | we have had at tleast three devels in here | 02:56 |
| froud-work | they know the status | 02:56 |
| enrico | froud-work: what about those Xhosa translations? | 02:57 |
| enrico | I see -xh OMF files are in | 02:57 |
| enrico | or you mean something else? | 02:57 |
| froud-work | enrico: I am about to commit updates to them. | 02:57 |
| froud-work | this time they are translated | 02:57 |
| enrico | ah, cool! :) | 02:57 |
| froud-work | the ones in svn now are not | 02:57 |
| enrico | commit them, then I'll see what I can do | 02:57 |
| froud-work | done | 03:00 |
| enrico | I'll see if I can get clearance for another upload | 03:00 |
| froud-work | thanks | 03:02 |
| enrico | any more changes? | 03:02 |
| enrico | froud-work: (seems like the murphy law I mentioned you in my last e-mail, worked even without the tag) | 03:02 |
| froud-work | not that I know of. | 03:02 |
| enrico | I'm tempted of calling this one 1.0 | 03:02 |
| enrico | but then why not 5.04, and whatnot | 03:03 |
| froud-work | it is a good idea | 03:03 |
| enrico | so maybe it'll be 0.8 | 03:03 |
| enrico | 1.0 it is | 03:03 |
| froud-work | ok I am gonna tag, your packaging should build from the tag not the trunk | 03:04 |
| froud-work | OK | 03:04 |
| enrico | froud-work: I just committed | 03:04 |
| enrico | one version updated | 03:04 |
| enrico | you know, you want that in the tag :) | 03:04 |
| froud-work | tagged stuff is copied to tags/ | 03:05 |
| froud-work | enrico: when I do the copy I do it to tags/ubuntu-docs-1.0/ | 03:06 |
| enrico | froud-work: great! thanks | 03:06 |
| froud-work | the message is noted as tag for hoary 5.04 | 03:07 |
| froud-work | ok min let me do it now | 03:07 |
| enrico | Someone up for testing the last new package? | 03:08 |
| enrico | it's in http://lento.uncasino.it/enrico/store/ubuntu-docs-1.0.tar.gz | 03:08 |
| enrico | "Lento un casino" in Italian means "a lot slow" | 03:09 |
| enrico | you're warned :) | 03:09 |
| enrico | you untar the file, and you have the source package | 03:09 |
| enrico | you dpkg-source -x ubuntu-docs-something.dsc | 03:09 |
| enrico | cd ubuntu-docs-1.0 | 03:09 |
| enrico | dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot | 03:10 |
| enrico | then you'll have the .deb that can be installed | 03:10 |
| froud-work | enrico: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/tags/ubuntu-docs-1.0 at r865 | 03:14 |
| froud-work | svn export from there | 03:14 |
| froud-work | whew that means we can get on with restructure | 03:14 |
| enrico | Kamion is reviewing the last packages | 03:19 |
| enrico | He's being very nice | 03:19 |
| froud-work | :-) so everyting in the tag | 03:20 |
| froud-work | svn will be a bit hectic for the bext week as I do restructure | 03:21 |
| froud-work | which means make and builds will break ;-) | 03:21 |
| froud-work | I will try limit the damage | 03:21 |
| Kinnison | froud: can't you restructure in a branch and then merge it in once it's working? | 03:21 |
| froud-work | Yes I can | 03:22 |
| froud-work | but why when we planned it | 03:22 |
| froud-work | I need input from people | 03:22 |
| froud-work | but if people want I will do it in a hole | 03:22 |
| froud-work | adds a bit of overhead for me cause I will need to track the trunk | 03:23 |
| Kinnison | doing it on a branch means people can still specifically get your branch and add comments | 03:23 |
| froud-work | He he yes they can, but many wont want the headache of another full checkout | 03:23 |
| froud-work | or will they | 03:24 |
| Kinnison | It's not that big is it? | 03:24 |
| === Kinnison has about twelve checkouts of launchpad | ||
| Kinnison | for various branch work | 03:24 |
| froud-work | He he | 03:24 |
| Kinnison | and that's almost 40 megs of source code each | 03:24 |
| froud-work | our trunk is 57 meg once you have the management files | 03:25 |
| froud-work | Kinnison: you make a good point I will ask on the list and see what peple think | 03:25 |
| Kinnison | froud-work: 57 megs unbuilt?! | 03:26 |
| froud-work | yes | 03:26 |
| Kinnison | cripes that's big | 03:26 |
| froud-work | screen captures dude | 03:26 |
| Kinnison | I guess so | 03:26 |
| froud-work | binary what can I do | 03:27 |
| Kinnison | Pity you can't capture them as SVG or something | 03:27 |
| Kinnison | launchpad (built and running) is 250M so :-) | 03:27 |
| === froud-work had plans for that | ||
| froud-work | but svg would add complications | 03:27 |
| froud-work | yelp does not support them | 03:27 |
| froud-work | and b'sides we still need the png | 03:28 |
| froud-work | sucks | 03:28 |
| froud-work | well lets see what people want to do | 03:28 |
| enrico | 15:24 < Kamion> enrico: ubuntu-docs_1.0-1 installed | 03:29 |
| enrico | froud-work: can't take a screenshot in SVG unless you hack X really intensely :) | 03:31 |
| enrico | Although, maybe, asking the app to redraw, then dumping the X protocol traffic and trying to build a vector image out of that... =8-| | 03:31 |
| froud-work | enrico: rathe ryou than me :-) | 03:46 |
| enrico | froud-work: :) | 03:47 |
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| jsgotangco | i cant sleep | 05:34 |
| jsgotangco | froud: if we branch, it becomes intrusive? | 05:34 |
| froud | why your brain is buzzing with all the work and learning you have | 05:34 |
| froud | jsgotangco: you branch if the change you want to make are intrusive to the trunk | 05:35 |
| jsgotangco | its only 11:40pm but i just read your email and it got more confusing to me so i logged into my wife's laptop now | 05:35 |
| froud | however if nobody sees it as intrusive then we just do it in trunk | 05:35 |
| jsgotangco | trunk is simpler but branch is more favored? | 05:36 |
| froud | niether in mho | 05:36 |
| froud | if people what to do it in trunk we can do it | 05:36 |
| froud | For example I have a branch | 05:37 |
| jsgotangco | ok let me get this right when you say branch is this like a fork? | 05:37 |
| froud | I have been doing stuff there so that it would not impact on Hoary | 05:37 |
| jsgotangco | yes i got that right | 05:37 |
| froud | kinda like a fork except we can merge back | 05:37 |
| jsgotangco | so the branch would be exclusive to 5.10? | 05:38 |
| froud | jsgotangco: you want some bed time reading? | 05:38 |
| froud | no | 05:38 |
| froud | the branch is temporary | 05:38 |
| jsgotangco | ok a nice intro would do | 05:38 |
| jsgotangco | AHHHHH | 05:38 |
| froud | it lives and then is merged into trunk | 05:38 |
| froud | you should read svn book | 05:38 |
| jsgotangco | i should | 05:38 |
| jsgotangco | ok its much clearer now | 05:38 |
| jsgotangco | when you said it was temporary | 05:39 |
| froud | http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/svn-book.html | 05:39 |
| jsgotangco | ok last: so the branch merges to trunk in the end right | 05:39 |
| froud | when all the chaos is over | 05:39 |
| jsgotangco | but the trunk would be borked in sort of way? | 05:39 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 05:39 |
| froud | no trunk is still workable | 05:39 |
| jsgotangco | because right now, we mess up the trunk itself right | 05:39 |
| froud | if somebody say wants to write on User Guide | 05:40 |
| froud | they can continue | 05:40 |
| froud | cause we are in branch | 05:40 |
| froud | all we need do is track trunk | 05:40 |
| froud | and merge changes to user guide into branch | 05:40 |
| jsgotangco | the branch contains only a part of the trunk? | 05:41 |
| froud | no the whole | 05:41 |
| froud | but can also have a part | 05:41 |
| jsgotangco | right | 05:41 |
| froud | in this case the whole | 05:41 |
| froud | cause we have tag we have backup | 05:42 |
| froud | cause we in svn we have revisions | 05:42 |
| froud | so we can either take from tag | 05:42 |
| froud | or we can roll forwward and back | 05:42 |
| jsgotangco | ok i better read that link ill get it in no time | 05:43 |
| froud | see svn switch command on how to toggle between branches and trunk | 05:43 |
| froud | when you switch to a branch your trunk becomes the branch | 05:43 |
| froud | this can be confusing | 05:43 |
| jsgotangco | i see thats why you insist on esvn | 05:43 |
| froud | so some developers just have a checkout of the trunk and of the branch | 05:44 |
| froud | eSvn will just make life easier for you | 05:44 |
| froud | you can use svn and learn the commands | 05:44 |
| jsgotangco | but why do we want to branch just in case if it seems so chaotic? | 05:44 |
| froud | cause with eSvn you can see the commands issued | 05:44 |
| froud | no, some people would not like to have a choas | 05:45 |
| froud | others dont mind | 05:45 |
| froud | you want to learn something new | 05:45 |
| froud | so branch is interesting to you | 05:45 |
| froud | for others they dont | 05:46 |
| froud | so it depends on the team | 05:46 |
| jsgotangco | well i admit i havent even learned like 10% of trunk in my opinion | 05:46 |
| froud | my reasoning for the branch was not so much because it is better or worse, just to take others into consideration | 05:46 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 05:46 |
| froud | jsgotangco: did you install eSvn | 05:47 |
| jsgotangco | yes i did | 05:47 |
| froud | and how do you find it | 05:48 |
| jsgotangco | but i am in my wife's xp laptop atm | 05:48 |
| jsgotangco | well i admit i didnt read the manual | 05:48 |
| jsgotangco | but when i saw the trunk it was much easier to navigate | 05:48 |
| froud | did you understand the gui | 05:48 |
| froud | yes | 05:48 |
| froud | also updates etc are easier to see | 05:48 |
| jsgotangco | and i already saw the status of the documents so it was a plus | 05:48 |
| froud | yep | 05:48 |
| froud | you did not have to learn svn syntax | 05:49 |
| jsgotangco | i will be trying it out later and will probably be of use to me before UDU | 05:49 |
| froud | but you could see the commands | 05:49 |
| jsgotangco | ahh | 05:49 |
| froud | Oh great are you going to UDU | 05:49 |
| jsgotangco | *grin* i got sponsored | 05:50 |
| froud | Oh nice | 05:50 |
| froud | well at least one of us is going | 05:50 |
| jsgotangco | thats why i felt responsible for learning some more before UDU so ill make sense there in a BOF or whatever | 05:50 |
| froud | I think enrico will also go | 05:51 |
| froud | I have too much work on my plate to go | 05:51 |
| froud | good, I am glad you are going | 05:51 |
| jsgotangco | i got lucky i guess, as to i am unemployed at the moment and pigging out on the time | 05:52 |
| froud | hmmm, lots of unemployed people around | 05:52 |
| froud | better to work for yourself | 05:52 |
| jsgotangco | well at least i am not bumming around i might be able to use what i am doing here someday who knows | 05:53 |
| froud | absolutely | 05:53 |
| froud | hey well I must carry on with my XSL custom layer | 05:54 |
| jsgotangco | ok i better start reading thanks again | 05:54 |
| froud | get some sleep or wake the wife up | 05:54 |
| froud | ;-) | 05:54 |
| jsgotangco | "grin* | 05:54 |
| jsgotangco | ok laterz | 05:54 |
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| mdke | boyz | 08:56 |
| froud | girls | 09:03 |
| claude | animals | 09:03 |
| mdke | hmm | 09:04 |
| mdke | speak for yourself | 09:04 |
| claude | i do :) | 09:04 |
| mdke | heh | 09:04 |
| froud | maskie: how r the cows? | 09:05 |
| claude | thx for packaging, works like a charm | 09:05 |
| froud | cool thank enrico for that | 09:06 |
| froud | told you to trust him ;-) | 09:06 |
| claude | you were right | 09:07 |
| claude | but it was just in time | 09:07 |
| mdke | heh | 09:07 |
| mdke | perhaps a timetable for next time... | 09:07 |
| mdke | you guys know anything about pgp? | 09:08 |
| mdke | and evolution | 09:08 |
| froud | some | 09:08 |
| mdke | enrico's emails say that the key is valid but it couldn't check the sender | 09:09 |
| mdke | sorry that wasn't clear | 09:09 |
| mdke | with enrico's emails, evolution says that the key is valid but it couldn't check the sender | 09:09 |
| froud | Hmm, you got me there | 09:11 |
| mdke | whats your key number btw? | 09:11 |
| froud | mdke: I just sent you my public keys, import them | 09:12 |
| mdke | k | 09:12 |
| mdke | thx | 09:12 |
| mdke | if i can figure out how | 09:12 |
| mdke | with enrico and jgotango i just did --recv-key number | 09:13 |
| froud | should be a feature to import when you right click the attached key. | 09:13 |
| froud | yeah should do it | 09:13 |
| froud | dunno why it cant check the sender | 09:14 |
| mdke | same with you | 09:14 |
| mdke | "valid signature, cannot verify sender" | 09:14 |
| mdke | maybe I need to import them into evolution somehow | 09:15 |
| froud | try it with my key now from inside evolution | 09:16 |
| froud | I dont use GNOME so I use Kmail | 09:16 |
| mdke | i've just imported it using command line: gpg --import you.asc | 09:16 |
| mdke | maybe i need to certify it too | 09:17 |
| froud | and does it recognise me | 09:17 |
| mdke | "valid signature, cannot verify sender" | 09:17 |
| froud | remove it and use evolution | 09:18 |
| froud | add it to your keyring | 09:18 |
| mdke | evolution doesn't seem to do that | 09:18 |
| mdke | its ok | 09:18 |
| froud | dumb app | 09:18 |
| mdke | heh | 09:18 |
| mdke | i think i've found the solution | 09:18 |
| froud | com eto kde | 09:18 |
| froud | kpgp makes it easy | 09:19 |
| mdke | i think i have to sign your key | 09:20 |
| mdke | oh yeah, that's done the trick | 09:21 |
| mdke | cli rules | 09:21 |
| froud | yep atomic | 09:21 |
| froud | what was the solution | 09:21 |
| mdke | i edited your key and signed it | 09:22 |
| mdke | it asked me if I was sure the key was actually yours | 09:22 |
| froud | Hmm now why do you need to do that | 09:22 |
| mdke | double security | 09:22 |
| froud | ok remove it | 09:23 |
| mdke | ? | 09:23 |
| froud | I just sent you something else to try | 09:23 |
| froud | remove it so we can test | 09:23 |
| mdke | remove your key? | 09:23 |
| froud | yes | 09:23 |
| mdke | i have to find out how | 09:23 |
| froud | I sent you a new mail with key | 09:23 |
| mdke | a different key? | 09:24 |
| froud | slightly | 09:24 |
| froud | that one is signed | 09:24 |
| froud | the new one that is | 09:24 |
| mdke | how do i remove a key | 09:25 |
| mdke | ok done | 09:26 |
| mdke | have imported the next one | 09:27 |
| mdke | same error: | 09:27 |
| mdke | "valid signature, cannot verify sender" | 09:27 |
| froud | hmm thats dumb | 09:28 |
| froud | what key number do you have | 09:28 |
| mdke | the reason is that someone might send me a fraudulent key | 09:28 |
| mdke | so i have to sign it to verify that its yours | 09:28 |
| mdke | when i've doublechecked ;) | 09:29 |
| froud | do you hav ethe key pair | 09:29 |
| froud | or just the ElGamal | 09:29 |
| froud | my key pair is F4FB4332F0C34EA6 | 09:29 |
| mdke | i only have the one ending A6 | 09:29 |
| mdke | what is a pair? | 09:29 |
| froud | key and signature | 09:30 |
| froud | the one above | 09:30 |
| mdke | no idea what you're on about :/ | 09:30 |
| froud | dont worry | 09:31 |
| mdke | anyway all is well | 09:31 |
| froud | cool so send me your public keys | 09:31 |
| mdke | after I verify your fingerprint and sign, the email is fine | 09:31 |
| mdke | ok | 09:31 |
| mdke | sent btw | 09:34 |
| froud | thanks I have it and it is already in ;-) kpgp you gotta love it | 09:35 |
| mdke | hmm | 09:35 |
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| mdke | ooh | 09:35 |
| mdke | also gpgp | 09:35 |
| froud | much easier | 09:35 |
| mdke | nah | 09:36 |
| mdke | i like cli | 09:36 |
| mdke | especially when learning about gpg | 09:36 |
| mdke | gtg now | 09:38 |
| mdke | cya later | 09:38 |
| claude | froud: what about the faqguide ? | 09:43 |
| froud | what about it? | 09:44 |
| claude | seems there was a problem with modifications outside of docbook | 09:44 |
| claude | is it still a project of docteam ? | 09:45 |
| froud | I dunno, I got message from the author who said he did not know cause he was not reading his email | 09:45 |
| froud | I told him how to get it | 09:46 |
| froud | then silence | 09:46 |
| froud | It is still one of our projects | 09:46 |
| froud | I would just like it done in svn | 09:46 |
| claude | but we need his collaboration | 09:46 |
| froud | it would be nice, but not necisary to continue | 09:47 |
| claude | that is... you'll do a fork ? | 09:47 |
| froud | not by choice | 09:47 |
| froud | but hey | 09:47 |
| froud | claude: why do you ask? | 09:58 |
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| claude | froud: because i read your mail and since hasn't got any feedback | 10:07 |
| froud | Oh ok | 10:08 |
| claude | froud: about svn restructuring | 10:14 |
| claude | if you're sure about your restructuration | 10:14 |
| claude | you should modify trunk | 10:14 |
| claude | if there's still some tweakings | 10:15 |
| claude | also to branch | 10:15 |
| claude | not sure if that helps you :/ | 10:17 |
| froud | he he, cant be sure until done and no way to do it in one step | 10:17 |
| claude | so we could say freeze trunk | 10:18 |
| claude | and try in a branch | 10:18 |
| froud | no need to freeze trunk we can merge | 10:18 |
| claude | yes, but that's simpler if there's a minimum of modifications in trunk | 10:19 |
| claude | it's a "convention" freeze | 10:19 |
| claude | so we can also browse the branch with browser, don't need to download to be able to examine it | 10:21 |
| froud | he he you feel like clicking a hundred times to see | 10:22 |
| claude | not hundred, only ninety-nine :) | 10:22 |
| claude | you shouldn't put the whole tree in the branch, only a skeleton | 10:23 |
| froud | there is another way using svn list url | 10:23 |
| froud | but still awkward | 10:24 |
| froud | otherwise people must install eSvn and then they can browse explorer style | 10:24 |
| froud | brb | 10:29 |
| claude | cya | 10:30 |
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| mdke | froud, still here? | 10:49 |
| froud | mmmmm hmmm | 10:49 |
| mdke | heh | 10:50 |
| mdke | what time zone are you in btw? | 10:50 |
| froud | busting my balls on a docbook cust layer | 10:50 |
| froud | South Africa GMT | 10:50 |
| mdke | GMT? | 10:50 |
| mdke | ok so its not late | 10:50 |
| froud | 22H40 | 10:51 |
| froud | still early | 10:51 |
| mdke | heh | 10:51 |
| froud | but no sun outside | 10:51 |
| mdke | no | 10:51 |
| froud | can here the crickets | 10:51 |
| froud | hear | 10:51 |
| mdke | nice :) | 10:51 |
| mdke | :/ | 10:51 |
| mdke | reminds me of italy | 10:51 |
| mdke | listen, is there a stepbystep commit guide? | 10:51 |
| froud | Dunno, is there | 10:52 |
| mdke | dunno | 10:52 |
| froud | what you got in mind? | 10:52 |
| mdke | i thought you wrote all those pages | 10:52 |
| mdke | froud, just wanted to find out how its done | 10:52 |
| froud | not all but some | 10:52 |
| froud | what a commit | 10:52 |
| mdke | yeh | 10:53 |
| mdke | i'm trying to read most of those pages | 10:53 |
| froud | first svn up | 10:53 |
| froud | then svn status | 10:53 |
| froud | then svn commit | 10:53 |
| froud | or svn commit file | 10:53 |
| froud | you work on cli right | 10:53 |
| mdke | oh i c | 10:54 |
| mdke | so you don't need to diff or anything | 10:54 |
| froud | I suggest you read http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.0/svn-book.html | 10:54 |
| froud | nope | 10:54 |
| froud | :-) | 10:54 |
| mdke | will bookmark it | 10:54 |
| froud | It is a must read | 10:54 |
| mdke | heh | 10:54 |
| mdke | np i have plenty of time | 10:54 |
| froud | especially since you will have a commit account ;-) | 10:54 |
| mdke | yeah but i don't envisage using it for some time | 10:55 |
| mdke | so I can take my time and learn properly | 10:55 |
| froud | why | 10:55 |
| mdke | froud, because if I understand correctly, you guys will be working out some structural stuff before works starts on the docs | 10:55 |
| froud | well we may do it in a branch | 10:56 |
| mdke | and also I won't start committing until i'm sure of myself | 10:56 |
| froud | so long as you docs are well-formed and valid it will not be a problem | 10:56 |
| mdke | heh | 10:56 |
| froud | we or at least I will be checking you | 10:56 |
| mdke | uhoh | 10:56 |
| mdke | >_> | 10:56 |
| mdke | <_< | 10:56 |
| froud | help you though the pains | 10:56 |
| mdke | i'll read the stuff | 10:56 |
| froud | no dont worry | 10:57 |
| froud | you will be fine really | 10:57 |
| mdke | haven't even tried editing any docbook stuff yet | 10:57 |
| mdke | so i'll take my time | 10:57 |
| froud | you on gnome | 10:57 |
| froud | used gedit at first | 10:57 |
| froud | then look at emacs or vim | 10:57 |
| froud | just feel your way around | 10:57 |
| mdke | yeah ok | 10:57 |
| froud | if you get lost shout and I will help | 10:58 |
| mdke | there's a page on the wiki that mentions openoffice... | 10:58 |
| mdke | but emacs/gedit are cool | 10:58 |
| froud | not recomended, but yes | 10:58 |
| mdke | i need to learn emacs properly too | 10:59 |
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| froud | docbook is easy when you have help | 10:59 |
| mdke | :) | 10:59 |
| mdke | look forward to it | 11:00 |
| mdke | right gtg, blackadder is on tv | 11:00 |
| mdke | good night | 11:00 |
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