[04:30] <jsgotangco> greetings
[04:31] <Liz> hiya jsgotangco 
[04:39] <jsgotangco> waaa what a crazy day
[04:39] <jsgotangco> for the doc team
[04:39] <jsgotangco> hehe
[04:53] <Liz> is it?..ik now theres been alot with the translations as well
[05:09] <Liz> brb
[07:40] <jsgotangco> hello Burgundavia
[07:43] <Burgundavia> salut
[07:43] <jsgotangco> js :
[07:43] <froud> African Greetings
[07:43] <jsgotangco> greets
[07:49] <jsgotangco> err whats an omf file?
[07:53] <froud> jsgotangco: its a file that acts as a catalog
[07:54] <froud> when registered to scrollkeeper
[07:54] <froud> it enables Yelp to automatically inlcude documents
[07:54] <jsgotangco> ohh
[08:02] <froud> he he ubuntu-devel is starting starting to catch fire
[08:08] <jsgotangco> it is pretty active lately
[08:10] <Burgundavia> hey froud. I emailed Thomas Black at TSF on March 25. I have not heard back from him. You mentioned that you might be able to speak with him. Is that still the case?
[08:18] <Liz> bbl
[08:29] <jsgotangco> you mean the whole thing for Xhosa?
[08:30] <froud> no omf only
[08:30] <froud> meetings c ya later
[08:31] <jsgotangco> umm do i needto do an omf as well?
[11:36] <froud> jsgotangco: what language did you do again?
[11:36] <froud> tl
[11:39] <froud> jsgotangco: yes it would be a good idea
[11:49] <enrico> i'm online for 5 minutes
[11:49] <enrico> everything ok?
[11:56] <froud> enrico: I guess so, still no OMF for XH and TL
[11:56] <froud> other than that I just got back from meetings
[11:57] <froud> enrico: we should script make-po to create OMF files when a new document is added
[11:59] <mdke> hi all
[11:59] <mdke> how are we doing on the omf files?
[11:59] <froud> just missing xh and tl
[12:00] <mdke> :p
[12:00] <mdke> hi froud 
[12:02] <jsgotangco> waa
[12:02] <jsgotangco> err
[12:02] <jsgotangco> how?
[12:02] <EricNeon> bye
[12:03] <mdke> heh
[12:03] <mdke> jsgotangco, yo
[12:03] <jsgotangco> waaa 2 omfs?
[12:03] <jsgotangco> @%#$%
[12:03] <jsgotangco> hold on let met study how to do it
[12:03] <mdke> jsgotangco, hold on
[12:03] <mdke> jsgotangco, nothing needs to be learnt
[12:03] <mdke> just check the mailing list, and translate those 4 phrases
[12:04] <jsgotangco> wait let me check my archives
[12:06] <mdke> jsgotangco, then once you've done that, svn up, open one of the omf files from the debian folder, change the phrases and the country codes, and you're done
[12:07] <jsgotangco> ok hold on i thought it was big
[12:07] <mdke> nah
[12:07] <mdke> easy as pie
[12:09] <jsgotangco> umm there's no english omf file?
[12:10] <mdke> no
[12:10] <mdke> that's the -C one
[12:10] <mdke> just use an existing country one so you see what you need to change
[12:10] <enrico> froud: I wouldn't automate OMF-making: that's so simple anyway
[12:10] <jsgotangco> ok ill just guess what these things mean
[12:10] <enrico> it happens so rarely that it's probably not worth automating
[12:11] <jsgotangco> and just send the omf
[12:12] <mdke> jsgotangco, good man
[12:13] <enrico> So, more OMFs came in?
[12:13] <enrico> How many still missing?
[12:13] <jsgotangco> ok just give me 5 mins
[12:13] <mdke> enrico, i just sent ca, tl is on its way
[12:13] <enrico> wow
[12:14] <froud> ca is commit svn up
[12:15] <froud> xh I have no response from translator
[12:15] <froud> will give a phone call
[12:15] <enrico> pt ca de came into my computer
[12:15] <froud> it was done at Wits Uni
[12:15] <froud> svn up and compare
[12:15] <jsgotangco> ok just 2 omf for about-ubuntu and release-notes?
[12:15] <froud> jsgotangco: yes please
[12:16] <jsgotangco> ok done
[12:16] <froud> sent to list?
[12:16] <enrico> Please tell me when I should do the last upload
[12:16] <froud> enrico: I will
[12:17] <jsgotangco> sent
[12:17] <jsgotangco> !
[12:20] <mdke> ok great stuff guys
[12:20] <froud> svn add -N about-ubuntu-tl.omf release-notes-tl.omf 
[12:20] <froud> A about-ubuntu-tl.omf
[12:20] <froud> A release-notes-tl.omf
[12:20] <froud> successfully (0)
[12:20] <froud> svn commit -m i18n omf about-ubuntu-tl.omf release-notes-tl.omf --non-interactive 
[12:20] <froud> Adding about-ubuntu-tl.omf
[12:20] <froud> Adding release-notes-tl.omf
[12:20] <froud> Transmitting file data ..
[12:20] <froud> Committed revision 858.
[12:20] <froud> successfully (0)
[12:21] <mdke> yep they've come through here
[12:21] <enrico> $ svk pull
[12:21] <enrico> Syncing https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos
[12:21] <enrico> Retrieving log information from 858 to 858
[12:21] <enrico> Committed revision 2451 from revision 858.
[12:21] <enrico> Syncing //docteam/trunk(/docteam/trunk) in /home/enrico/dev/ubuntu/faq to 2451.
[12:21] <enrico> A   debian/about-ubuntu-tl.omf
[12:21] <enrico> A   debian/release-notes-tl.omf
[12:22] <enrico> seb128 on ubuntu devel tells me that the version is "5.04", not "5.4"
[12:22] <froud> 5.04 should be
[12:23] <enrico> I'm fixing them all in the OMF files
[12:23] <enrico> Can someone check the other documents?
[12:24] <mdke> which need checking?
[12:25] <jsgotangco> its 5.4!
[12:25] <mdke> eh?
[12:25] <enrico> mdke: I did a grep in all the .xml files, and it seems to be ok
[12:25] <enrico> jsgotangco: 5.04, they say
[12:25] <mdke> cool
[12:25] <mdke> its def. 5.04
[12:25] <mdke> ok looking in yelp the release-notes are clean
[12:26] <jsgotangco> are the omf files ok to have 5.4?
[12:26] <mdke> jsgotangco, no ;)
[12:26] <enrico> jsgotangco: should be 5.04, but I fixed it already
[12:26] <jsgotangco> ok
[12:26] <mdke> that was seriously fast enrico 
[12:26] <jsgotangco> ah there
[12:26] <mdke> already in svn too
[12:26] <jsgotangco> svn up updated it
[12:26] <jsgotangco> ya
[12:26] <mdke> what a man
[12:27] <jsgotangco> were going to the distance *grin*
[12:28] <mdke> right i gtg to study
[12:28] <enrico> ok, so we only miss .xh?
[12:28] <mdke> yeah
[12:28] <froud> no response
[12:28] <enrico> wow
[12:28] <mdke> we rock
[12:28] <enrico> what language is that?
[12:28] <jsgotangco> woo hoo
[12:28] <froud> Xhosa
[12:28] <mdke> enrico, froud got it off the university
[12:28] <froud> African Language
[12:29] <enrico> froud: which one?
[12:29] <froud> Well actually Canonical paid Wits to do it
[12:29] <mdke> oh
[12:29] <froud> One of our 11 official languages
[12:29] <enrico> Zulu?
[12:29] <jsgotangco> ohh
[12:29] <jsgotangco> xhosa
[12:29] <enrico> ah, ok
[12:29] <froud> enrico: no
[12:29] <enrico> I had a look at the file, and it looks like ROT-13-encrypted :)
[12:30] <mdke> LOL
[12:30] <jsgotangco> lol
[12:30] <Burgundavia> I love it, SA has 11 official languages
[12:30] <Burgundavia> and their passports are in English and French
[12:30] <Burgundavia> French is not on the of 11
[12:31] <Burgundavia> s/on/one
[12:31] <mdke> hi corey
[12:31] <jsgotangco> lol
[12:31] <jsgotangco> are those 11 languages or dialects?
[12:31] <mdke> ok i'm off
[12:31] <Burgundavia> 111 languages
[12:31] <enrico> Italy has 1 official language and none speaks it correctly
[12:31] <Burgundavia> make that 11
[12:31] <enrico> None cares, even :)
[12:31] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[12:31] <froud> each language is different
[12:32] <enrico> Everyone's got they own local variant, and a local different language improperly called "dialect"
[12:32] <froud> enrico: I can giv eyou OMF files but they are just not translated. Is that ok
[12:33] <froud> but at least the user will be able to see the document
[12:33] <enrico> "trash" is "pattume" in Italian, "rusco" in Bologna and "rsc" in bolognese
[12:35] <froud> <colspec colname="C1" colwidth=""/>
[12:35] <froud> svn commit -m i18n omf about-ubuntu-xh.omf release-notes-xh.omf --non-interactive 
[12:35] <froud> Adding about-ubuntu-xh.omf
[12:35] <froud> Adding release-notes-xh.omf
[12:35] <froud> Transmitting file data ..
[12:35] <froud> Committed revision 860.
[12:35] <froud> successfully (0)
[12:35] <jsgotangco> woo hooo we rock
[12:36] <froud> enrico: they are not translated but at least the users will see the docs in Yelp
[12:36] <jsgotangco> froud: i have a question about make po
[12:37] <jsgotangco> how come when i do it it patches some files and when i try to open thepatched files in yelp they wont open at all
[12:37] <jsgotangco> but when i revert they open correctly
[12:37] <froud> Problems in the po create invalid xml
[12:38] <froud> I see problems with &quot;
[12:38] <froud> we will need to use <quote></quote>
[12:38] <jsgotangco> ahh i guess that can't be helped for now
[12:38] <froud> in en xml and so in pot and so in po
[12:38] <froud> ho ho ho
[12:38] <froud> not now
[12:39] <jsgotangco> 6 months from now
[12:39] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[12:39] <froud> enrico: sun up and build and upload we're done
[12:41] <jsgotangco> ok i guess we're all done im packing up
[12:41] <froud> enrico: can we get commit accounts for mdke n jsgotangco 
[12:42] <jsgotangco> that would be nice
[12:42] <jsgotangco> doh
[12:42] <froud> Oh no
[12:42] <froud> ok I will email him
[12:42] <jsgotangco> ok im out
[12:42] <froud> Time to get you two accounts
[12:42] <jsgotangco> that would be nice thank you
[12:42] <froud> you have enough experience to know what you are doing
[12:42] <jsgotangco> *grin* oh really
[12:42] <jsgotangco> hehhe
[12:42] <froud> no thanks to you for the help
[12:43] <froud> could not have done it wothout you
[12:43] <jsgotangco> awww that's nice to know well thanks again and see ya
[12:43] <froud> ok I am gonna tag
[02:52] <enrico> devels are not happy: uploads seem to be very restricted today
[02:53] <froud-work> Hmm well if they would only talk to us
[02:53] <froud-work> but they get carried away and forget us, as usual
[02:54] <froud-work> enrico: I just got he Xhosa translations. Think if I commit them we can inclde it
[02:55] <enrico> froud-work: they advertised it in the topic of #ubuntu-devel and in the ubuntu-devel mailing list
[02:56] <enrico> I just happen not to read both of them
[02:56] <froud-work> enrico: that is not an excuse
[02:56] <enrico> (which is not unreasonable, if you're almost disconnected :)
[02:56] <froud-work> we have had at tleast three devels in here
[02:56] <froud-work> they know the status
[02:57] <enrico> froud-work: what about those Xhosa translations?
[02:57] <enrico> I see -xh OMF files are in
[02:57] <enrico> or you mean something else?
[02:57] <froud-work> enrico: I am about to commit updates to them.
[02:57] <froud-work> this time they are translated
[02:57] <enrico> ah, cool! :)
[02:57] <froud-work> the ones in svn now are not
[02:57] <enrico> commit them, then I'll see what I can do
[03:00] <froud-work> done
[03:00] <enrico> I'll see if I can get clearance for another upload
[03:02] <froud-work> thanks
[03:02] <enrico> any more changes?
[03:02] <enrico> froud-work: (seems like the murphy law I mentioned you in my last e-mail, worked even without the tag)
[03:02] <froud-work> not that I know of. 
[03:02] <enrico> I'm tempted of calling this one 1.0
[03:03] <enrico> but then why not 5.04, and whatnot
[03:03] <froud-work> it is a good idea
[03:03] <enrico> so maybe it'll be 0.8
[03:03] <enrico> 1.0 it is
[03:04] <froud-work> ok I am gonna tag, your packaging should build from the tag not the trunk
[03:04] <froud-work> OK
[03:04] <enrico> froud-work: I just committed
[03:04] <enrico> one version updated
[03:04] <enrico> you know, you want that in the tag :)
[03:05] <froud-work> tagged stuff is copied to tags/
[03:06] <froud-work> enrico: when I do the copy I do it to tags/ubuntu-docs-1.0/
[03:06] <enrico> froud-work: great! thanks
[03:07] <froud-work> the message is noted as tag for hoary 5.04
[03:07] <froud-work> ok min let me do it now
[03:08] <enrico> Someone up for testing the last new package?
[03:08] <enrico> it's in http://lento.uncasino.it/enrico/store/ubuntu-docs-1.0.tar.gz
[03:09] <enrico> "Lento un casino" in Italian means "a lot slow"
[03:09] <enrico> you're warned :)
[03:09] <enrico> you untar the file, and you have the source package
[03:09] <enrico> you dpkg-source -x ubuntu-docs-something.dsc
[03:09] <enrico> cd ubuntu-docs-1.0
[03:10] <enrico> dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot
[03:10] <enrico> then you'll have the .deb that can be installed
[03:14] <froud-work> enrico: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/tags/ubuntu-docs-1.0 at r865
[03:14] <froud-work> svn export from there
[03:14] <froud-work> whew that means we can get on with restructure
[03:19] <enrico> Kamion is reviewing the last packages
[03:19] <enrico> He's being very nice
[03:20] <froud-work> :-) so everyting in the tag
[03:21] <froud-work> svn will be a bit hectic for the bext week as I do restructure
[03:21] <froud-work> which means make and builds will break ;-)
[03:21] <froud-work> I will try limit the damage
[03:21] <Kinnison> froud: can't you restructure in a branch and then merge it in once it's working?
[03:22] <froud-work> Yes I can
[03:22] <froud-work> but why when we planned it
[03:22] <froud-work> I need input from people 
[03:22] <froud-work> but if people want I will do it in a hole
[03:23] <froud-work> adds a bit of overhead for me cause I will need to track the trunk
[03:23] <Kinnison> doing it on a branch means people can still specifically get your branch and add comments
[03:23] <froud-work> He he yes they can, but many wont want the headache of another full checkout
[03:24] <froud-work> or will they
[03:24] <Kinnison> It's not that big is it?
[03:24] <Kinnison> for various branch work
[03:24] <froud-work> He he
[03:24] <Kinnison> and that's almost 40 megs of source code each
[03:25] <froud-work> our trunk is 57 meg once you have the management files
[03:25] <froud-work> Kinnison: you make a good point I will ask on the list and see what peple think
[03:26] <Kinnison> froud-work: 57 megs unbuilt?!
[03:26] <froud-work> yes
[03:26] <Kinnison> cripes that's big
[03:26] <froud-work> screen captures dude
[03:26] <Kinnison> I guess so
[03:27] <froud-work> binary what can I do
[03:27] <Kinnison> Pity you can't capture them as SVG or something
[03:27] <Kinnison> launchpad (built and running) is 250M so :-)
[03:27] <froud-work> but svg would add complications
[03:27] <froud-work> yelp does not support them
[03:28] <froud-work> and b'sides we still need the png
[03:28] <froud-work> sucks
[03:28] <froud-work> well lets see what people want to do
[03:29] <enrico> 15:24 < Kamion> enrico: ubuntu-docs_1.0-1 installed
[03:31] <enrico> froud-work: can't take a screenshot in SVG unless you hack X really intensely :)
[03:31] <enrico> Although, maybe, asking the app to redraw, then dumping the X protocol traffic and trying to build a vector image out of that... =8-|
[03:46] <froud-work> enrico: rathe ryou than me :-)
[03:47] <enrico> froud-work: :)
[05:34] <jsgotangco> i cant sleep
[05:34] <jsgotangco> froud: if we branch, it becomes intrusive?
[05:34] <froud> why your brain is buzzing with all the work and learning you have
[05:35] <froud> jsgotangco: you branch if the change you want to make are intrusive to the trunk
[05:35] <jsgotangco> its only 11:40pm but i just read your email and it got more confusing to me so i logged into my wife's laptop now
[05:35] <froud> however if nobody sees it as intrusive then we just do it in trunk
[05:36] <jsgotangco> trunk is simpler but branch is more favored?
[05:36] <froud> niether in mho
[05:36] <froud> if people what to do it in trunk we can do it
[05:37] <froud> For example I have a branch
[05:37] <jsgotangco> ok let me get this right when you say branch is this like a fork?
[05:37] <froud> I have been doing stuff there so that it would not impact on Hoary
[05:37] <jsgotangco> yes i got that right
[05:37] <froud> kinda like a fork except we can merge back
[05:38] <jsgotangco> so the branch would be exclusive to 5.10?
[05:38] <froud> jsgotangco: you want some bed time reading?
[05:38] <froud> no
[05:38] <froud> the branch is temporary
[05:38] <jsgotangco> ok a nice intro would do
[05:38] <jsgotangco> AHHHHH
[05:38] <froud> it lives and then is merged into trunk
[05:38] <froud> you should read svn book
[05:38] <jsgotangco> i should
[05:38] <jsgotangco> ok its much clearer now
[05:39] <jsgotangco> when you said it was temporary
[05:39] <froud> http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/svn-book.html
[05:39] <jsgotangco> ok last: so the branch merges to trunk in the end right
[05:39] <froud> when all the chaos is over
[05:39] <jsgotangco> but the trunk would be borked in sort of way?
[05:39] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[05:39] <froud> no trunk is still workable
[05:39] <jsgotangco> because right now, we mess up the trunk itself right
[05:40] <froud> if somebody say wants to write on User Guide
[05:40] <froud> they can continue
[05:40] <froud> cause we are in branch
[05:40] <froud> all we need do is track trunk
[05:40] <froud> and merge changes to user guide into branch
[05:41] <jsgotangco> the branch contains only a part of the trunk?
[05:41] <froud> no the whole
[05:41] <froud> but can also have a part
[05:41] <jsgotangco> right
[05:41] <froud> in this case the whole
[05:42] <froud> cause we have tag we have backup
[05:42] <froud> cause we in svn we have revisions
[05:42] <froud> so we can either take from tag
[05:42] <froud> or we can roll forwward and back
[05:43] <jsgotangco> ok i better read that link ill get it in no time
[05:43] <froud> see svn switch command on how to toggle between branches and trunk
[05:43] <froud> when you switch to a branch your trunk becomes the branch
[05:43] <froud> this can be confusing
[05:43] <jsgotangco> i see thats why you insist on esvn
[05:44] <froud> so some developers just have a checkout of the trunk and of the branch
[05:44] <froud> eSvn will just make life easier for you
[05:44] <froud> you can use svn and learn the commands
[05:44] <jsgotangco> but why do we want to branch just in case if it seems so chaotic?
[05:44] <froud> cause with eSvn you can see the commands issued
[05:45] <froud> no, some people would not like to have a choas
[05:45] <froud> others dont mind
[05:45] <froud> you want to learn something new
[05:45] <froud> so branch is interesting to you
[05:46] <froud> for others they dont
[05:46] <froud> so it depends on the team
[05:46] <jsgotangco> well i admit i havent even learned like 10% of trunk in my opinion
[05:46] <froud> my reasoning for the branch was not so much because it is better or worse, just to take others into consideration
[05:46] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[05:47] <froud> jsgotangco: did you install eSvn
[05:47] <jsgotangco> yes i did
[05:48] <froud> and how do you find it
[05:48] <jsgotangco> but i am in my wife's xp laptop atm
[05:48] <jsgotangco> well i admit i didnt read the manual
[05:48] <jsgotangco> but when i saw the trunk it was much easier to navigate
[05:48] <froud> did you understand the gui
[05:48] <froud> yes
[05:48] <froud> also updates etc are easier to see
[05:48] <jsgotangco> and i already saw the status of the documents so it was a plus
[05:48] <froud> yep
[05:49] <froud> you did not have to learn svn syntax
[05:49] <jsgotangco> i will be trying it out later and will probably be of use to me before UDU
[05:49] <froud> but you could see the commands
[05:49] <jsgotangco> ahh
[05:49] <froud> Oh great are you going to UDU
[05:50] <jsgotangco> *grin* i got sponsored
[05:50] <froud> Oh nice
[05:50] <froud> well at least one of us is going
[05:50] <jsgotangco> thats why i felt responsible for learning some more before UDU so ill make sense there in a BOF or whatever
[05:51] <froud> I think enrico will also go
[05:51] <froud> I have too much work on my plate to go
[05:51] <froud> good, I am glad you are going
[05:52] <jsgotangco> i got lucky i guess, as to i am unemployed at the moment and pigging out on the time
[05:52] <froud> hmmm, lots of unemployed people around
[05:52] <froud> better to work for yourself
[05:53] <jsgotangco> well at least i am not bumming around i might be able to use what i am doing here someday who knows
[05:53] <froud> absolutely
[05:54] <froud> hey well I must carry on with my XSL custom layer
[05:54] <jsgotangco> ok i better start reading thanks again
[05:54] <froud> get some sleep or wake the wife up
[05:54] <froud> ;-)
[05:54] <jsgotangco> "grin*
[05:54] <jsgotangco> ok laterz
[08:56] <mdke> boyz
[09:03] <froud> girls
[09:03] <claude> animals
[09:04] <mdke> hmm
[09:04] <mdke> speak for yourself
[09:04] <claude> i do :)
[09:04] <mdke> heh
[09:05] <froud> maskie: how r the cows?
[09:05] <claude> thx for packaging, works like a charm
[09:06] <froud> cool thank enrico for that
[09:06] <froud> told you to trust him ;-)
[09:07] <claude> you were right
[09:07] <claude> but it was just in time
[09:07] <mdke> heh
[09:07] <mdke> perhaps a timetable for next time...
[09:08] <mdke> you guys know anything about pgp?
[09:08] <mdke> and evolution
[09:08] <froud> some
[09:09] <mdke> enrico's emails say that the key is valid but it couldn't check the sender
[09:09] <mdke> sorry that wasn't clear
[09:09] <mdke> with enrico's emails, evolution says that the key is valid but it couldn't check the sender
[09:11] <froud> Hmm, you got me there
[09:11] <mdke> whats your key number btw?
[09:12] <froud> mdke: I just sent you my public keys, import them
[09:12] <mdke> k
[09:12] <mdke> thx
[09:12] <mdke> if i can figure out how
[09:13] <mdke> with enrico and jgotango i just did --recv-key number
[09:13] <froud> should be a feature to import when you right click the attached key.
[09:13] <froud> yeah should do it
[09:14] <froud> dunno why it cant check the sender
[09:14] <mdke> same with you
[09:14] <mdke> "valid signature, cannot verify sender"
[09:15] <mdke> maybe I need to import them into evolution somehow
[09:16] <froud> try it with my key now from inside evolution
[09:16] <froud> I dont use GNOME so I use Kmail
[09:16] <mdke> i've just imported it using command line: gpg --import you.asc
[09:17] <mdke> maybe i need to certify it too
[09:17] <froud> and does it recognise me
[09:17] <mdke> "valid signature, cannot verify sender"
[09:18] <froud> remove it and use evolution
[09:18] <froud> add it to your keyring
[09:18] <mdke> evolution doesn't seem to do that
[09:18] <mdke> its ok
[09:18] <froud> dumb app
[09:18] <mdke> heh
[09:18] <mdke> i think i've found the solution
[09:18] <froud> com eto kde
[09:19] <froud> kpgp makes it easy
[09:20] <mdke> i think i have to sign your key
[09:21] <mdke> oh yeah, that's done the trick
[09:21] <mdke> cli rules
[09:21] <froud> yep atomic
[09:21] <froud> what was the solution
[09:22] <mdke> i edited your key and signed it
[09:22] <mdke> it asked me if I was sure the key was actually yours
[09:22] <froud> Hmm now why do you need to do that
[09:22] <mdke> double security
[09:23] <froud> ok remove it
[09:23] <mdke> ?
[09:23] <froud> I just sent you something else to try
[09:23] <froud> remove it so we can test
[09:23] <mdke> remove your key?
[09:23] <froud> yes
[09:23] <mdke> i have to find out how
[09:23] <froud> I sent you a new mail with key
[09:24] <mdke> a different key?
[09:24] <froud> slightly
[09:24] <froud> that one is signed
[09:24] <froud> the new one that is
[09:25] <mdke> how do i remove a key
[09:26] <mdke> ok done
[09:27] <mdke> have imported the next one
[09:27] <mdke> same error:
[09:27] <mdke> "valid signature, cannot verify sender"
[09:28] <froud> hmm thats dumb
[09:28] <froud> what key number do you have
[09:28] <mdke> the reason is that someone might send me a fraudulent key
[09:28] <mdke> so i have to sign it to verify that its yours
[09:29] <mdke> when i've doublechecked ;)
[09:29] <froud> do you hav ethe key pair
[09:29] <froud> or just the ElGamal
[09:29] <froud> my key pair is F4FB4332F0C34EA6
[09:29] <mdke> i only have the one ending A6
[09:29] <mdke> what is a pair?
[09:30] <froud> key and signature
[09:30] <froud> the one above
[09:30] <mdke> no idea what you're on about :/
[09:31] <froud> dont worry
[09:31] <mdke> anyway all is well
[09:31] <froud> cool so send me your public keys
[09:31] <mdke> after I verify your fingerprint and sign, the email is fine
[09:31] <mdke> ok
[09:34] <mdke> sent btw
[09:35] <froud> thanks I have it and it is already in ;-) kpgp you gotta love it
[09:35] <mdke> hmm
[09:35] <mdke> ooh
[09:35] <mdke> also gpgp
[09:35] <froud> much easier
[09:36] <mdke> nah
[09:36] <mdke> i like cli
[09:36] <mdke> especially when learning about gpg
[09:38] <mdke> gtg now
[09:38] <mdke> cya later
[09:43] <claude> froud: what about the faqguide ?
[09:44] <froud> what about it?
[09:44] <claude> seems there was a problem with modifications outside of docbook
[09:45] <claude> is it still a project of docteam ?
[09:45] <froud> I dunno, I got message from the author who said he did not know cause he was not reading his email
[09:46] <froud> I told him how to get it
[09:46] <froud> then silence
[09:46] <froud> It is still one of our projects
[09:46] <froud> I would just like it done in svn
[09:46] <claude> but we need his collaboration
[09:47] <froud> it would be nice, but not necisary to continue
[09:47] <claude> that is... you'll do a fork ?
[09:47] <froud> not by choice
[09:47] <froud> but hey
[09:58] <froud> claude: why do you ask?
[10:07] <claude> froud: because i read your mail and since hasn't got any feedback
[10:08] <froud> Oh ok
[10:14] <claude> froud: about svn restructuring
[10:14] <claude> if you're sure about your restructuration
[10:14] <claude> you should modify trunk
[10:15] <claude> if there's still some tweakings
[10:15] <claude> also to branch
[10:17] <claude> not sure if that helps you :/
[10:17] <froud> he he, cant be sure until done and no way to do it in one step
[10:18] <claude> so we could say freeze trunk
[10:18] <claude> and try in a branch
[10:18] <froud> no need to freeze trunk we can merge
[10:19] <claude> yes, but that's simpler if there's a minimum of modifications in trunk
[10:19] <claude> it's a "convention" freeze
[10:21] <claude> so we can also browse the branch with browser, don't need to download to be able to examine it
[10:22] <froud> he he you feel like clicking a hundred times to see
[10:22] <claude> not hundred, only ninety-nine :)
[10:23] <claude> you shouldn't put the whole tree in the branch, only a skeleton
[10:23] <froud> there is another way using svn list url
[10:24] <froud> but still awkward
[10:24] <froud> otherwise people must install eSvn and then they can browse explorer style
[10:29] <froud> brb
[10:30] <claude> cya
[10:49] <mdke> froud, still here?
[10:49] <froud> mmmmm hmmm
[10:50] <mdke> heh
[10:50] <mdke> what time zone are you in btw?
[10:50] <froud> busting my balls on a docbook cust layer
[10:50] <froud> South Africa GMT
[10:50] <mdke> GMT?
[10:50] <mdke> ok so its not late
[10:51] <froud> 22H40
[10:51] <froud> still early
[10:51] <mdke> heh
[10:51] <froud> but no sun outside
[10:51] <mdke> no
[10:51] <froud> can here the crickets
[10:51] <froud> hear
[10:51] <mdke> nice :)
[10:51] <mdke> :/
[10:51] <mdke> reminds me of italy
[10:51] <mdke> listen, is there a stepbystep commit guide?
[10:52] <froud> Dunno, is there
[10:52] <mdke> dunno
[10:52] <froud> what you got in mind?
[10:52] <mdke> i thought you wrote all those pages
[10:52] <mdke> froud, just wanted to find out how its done
[10:52] <froud> not all but some
[10:52] <froud> what a commit
[10:53] <mdke> yeh
[10:53] <mdke> i'm trying to read most of those pages
[10:53] <froud> first svn up
[10:53] <froud> then svn status
[10:53] <froud> then svn commit
[10:53] <froud> or svn commit file
[10:53] <froud> you work on cli right
[10:54] <mdke> oh i c
[10:54] <mdke> so you don't need to diff or anything
[10:54] <froud> I suggest you read http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.0/svn-book.html
[10:54] <froud> nope
[10:54] <froud> :-)
[10:54] <mdke> will bookmark it
[10:54] <froud> It is a must read
[10:54] <mdke> heh
[10:54] <mdke> np i have plenty of time
[10:54] <froud> especially since you will have a commit account ;-)
[10:55] <mdke> yeah but i don't envisage using it for some time
[10:55] <mdke> so I can take my time and learn properly
[10:55] <froud> why
[10:55] <mdke> froud, because if I understand correctly, you guys will be working out some structural stuff before works starts on the docs
[10:56] <froud> well we may do it in a branch
[10:56] <mdke> and also I won't start committing until i'm sure of myself
[10:56] <froud> so long as you docs are well-formed and valid it will not be a problem
[10:56] <mdke> heh
[10:56] <froud> we or at least I will be checking you
[10:56] <mdke> uhoh
[10:56] <mdke> >_>
[10:56] <mdke> <_<
[10:56] <froud> help you though the pains
[10:56] <mdke> i'll read the stuff
[10:57] <froud> no dont worry
[10:57] <froud> you will be fine really
[10:57] <mdke> haven't even tried editing any docbook stuff yet
[10:57] <mdke> so i'll take my time
[10:57] <froud> you on gnome
[10:57] <froud> used gedit at first
[10:57] <froud> then look at emacs or vim
[10:57] <froud> just feel your way around
[10:57] <mdke> yeah ok
[10:58] <froud> if you get lost shout and I will help
[10:58] <mdke> there's a page on the wiki that mentions openoffice...
[10:58] <mdke> but emacs/gedit are cool
[10:58] <froud> not recomended, but yes
[10:59] <mdke> i need to learn emacs properly too
[10:59] <froud> docbook is easy when you have help
[10:59] <mdke> :)
[11:00] <mdke> look forward to it
[11:00] <mdke> right gtg, blackadder is on tv
[11:00] <mdke> good night