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Riddelluniq: rosegarden4_1.0-1ubuntu1_source.changes ACCEPTED12:14
uniqriddell: nice :)12:17
uniqriddell: i've started much about the same process with digikam.. as requested by a few people.. looks like libkexif1 isn't buildt for ubuntu at all.12:18
uniqa bit easier when i've done one package for ubuntu.. getting to know the process.12:19
uniq(libkexif1 is a digikam build-depend)12:19
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lamont_rmake[7] : Entering directory `/build/buildd/kde-i18n-3.4.0+cvs20040506/pt/docs/kdebase/konqueror'12:46
lamont_r/usr/bin/meinproc --check --cache index.cache.bz2 ./index.docbook12:46
lamont_rbrowser.docbook:123: parser error : AttValue: " or ' expected12:46
lamont_r>. A <link linkend=\"tabbrowse\"12:46
lamont_r                   ^12:46
lamont_rcan I interest anyone in -1ubuntu_3_???12:46
Riddellsigh12:46
Riddellhaggai?12:46
haggaiyuk12:47
Riddellhaggai: give up and revert?12:47
lamont_rbut we made it 2:25 into this build... much further than that mere 106 minutes before - we're clear up to 145 minutes - almost 50% more.. :-(12:48
haggaiRiddell: guess so12:48
Kamioncan I interest anyone in a test-build before uploading? :-/12:52
KamionI realise it takes longer, but then you'll have something you might be able to incrementally fix, rather than having to start from scratch each time12:53
haggaiKamion: I'm reverting back to the older version.  I have no diffs between the files except the changelog and some subdirs files.  I have a build already in progress and can wait for it if you think its worthwhile12:54
Kamionnot if you're just reverting12:55
Kamionwhat version number?12:55
haggaikde-i18n (4:3.4.0+cvs20040506.really.3.4.0-0ubuntu1) hoary; urgency=low12:55
Kamioncool12:55
Kamionor not, but yeah. probably best.12:56
haggaiwell yeah, best of a bad lot so to say12:56
Kamionnod12:56
haggaiok I'll upload then12:56
haggaiooh novo has dput now good stuff Riddell12:57
alleeuniq: libkexif1{,-dev}?   -> http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/hoary/Pkgs.php   Do I miss something?12:57
Riddellhaggai: dput with debian still in the /etc/dput.cf, I need to mind not to upload to debian by mistake12:58
haggaiRiddell: yeah already checked :)12:58
haggaireverted kde-i18n uploaded01:01
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uniqallee: ahh. you got them too. then i'll just rm -rf my stuff :)01:02
alleeuniq:  If you did anything else than add ubuntu to version and change section, keep it.01:03
uniqi didn't.01:03
uniqyet, anyways.01:04
haggaigah I'm not very good at writing announcements01:07
Riddellhaggai: what do you have?01:07
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haggaiRiddell: ~halls/kubuntu_announce.txt on novo, not very far I keep deleting stuff01:08
Kamionhaggai: kde-i18n> checking01:10
Riddelltwo sentences.  short and sweet :)01:10
haggaiooh cool01:10
haggaidpkg-deb: building package `kde-i18n-ar' in `../kde-i18n-ar_3.4.0+cvs20040506.really.3.4.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb'.01:10
haggaiKamion: test build succeeded01:10
Kamiondebdiff will take a little while, but I have 22 minutes until cron.daily anyway01:11
alleeuniq: if you've time: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/digikam/trunk/debian/changelog?op=file&rev=0&sc=0.01:11
alleeuniq: moving digikam.desktop may be interesting for kubuntu too ;)01:11
haggaiRiddell: no 1 1/2 sentences...01:12
haggaioh no 2 1/2 :)01:12
uniqallee: yes. looking good.01:13
Kamionhah, except somebody accepted it before my debdiff finished01:16
haggaikde-i18n?01:17
Kamionyes01:21
Riddellhaggai: tell me if you want me to work on the announcement01:22
haggaiRiddell: would you mind?  You did do a very good job on the previous announces :)01:34
cartel_w00t01:41
cartel_svn install didnt turn out to be half as ghetto as i thought01:41
Riddellneed some good quotes01:42
Riddellhaggai said "pah, KOffice will never defeat OpenOffice" while Daniel Silverstone said "do you know the pain that Kubuntu causes me?"01:43
cartel_wait01:56
cartel_daniel stone != daniel silverstone?01:56
Kamiondon't confuse the two01:56
haggaiWhen asked about the reason for Kubuntu, OpenOffice developer Chris Halls just giggled and said "at last!  A project to hack on that takes less than a day to build"01:56
datowas dsilver's comment about something in particular?01:56
datoor dsilvers'01:57
Riddelldato: he was drunk at the time and didn't elaborate01:57
Kamiondsilvers has been doing some of the Launchpad derived distribution work01:58
KamionI imagine that was it01:58
Riddellso we are the reason for his employment, in a way02:00
haggaiwoohoo02:14
haggai kde-i18n_4:3.4.0+cvs20040506.really.3.4.0-0ubuntu1_20050407-0033-i386-successful02:14
haggaifinally, I can go to bed02:15
haggainight folks02:15
uniqgood night.02:16
Riddelluniq: congratulations! http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/r/rosegarden4/1.0-1ubuntu1/02:19
Riddelluniq: now you have to download it from the archives and make sure it really does work02:19
Kamionhaggai: thanks for shepherding that through02:20
KamionKubuntu install CDs and live cloops building02:47
KamionKubuntu install CDs built, waiting for cloops03:10
cartel_where is kio_svn for kubuntu?03:26
Riddellcartel_: kdenonbeta?03:27
cartel_Riddell: unusual... its not in sid either03:29
cartel_Riddell: thiago tells me its in kdesdk03:29
cartel_http://webcvs.kde.org/kdesdk/kio_svn/03:30
cartel_maybe build faliure?03:30
cartel_for that matter where the hesmana is kio_cvs?03:32
cartel_wait im on crack03:33
cartel_Riddell: reportbug kdevelop: subversion support will not work without kio_svn, missing from distribution03:44
cartel_kdevelop3: ERROR: : couldn't create slave : Unable to create io-slave:03:47
cartel_klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'svn+https'.03:47
cartel_:(03:49
Riddellcartel_: please report to bugzilla, or we'll forget03:52
cartel_Riddell: does ubuntu reportbug go into bugzilla?03:56
Riddellnot sure actually03:57
cartel_by the looks of this it goes to debian bts :( is there ubuntu bts? or you use bugzilla?03:58
Kamionbugzilla.ubuntu.com04:03
cartel_ic04:03
cartel_is there a ben burton here?04:04
Kamionno04:04
cartel_ack04:05
mdzis anyone available to test the kubuntu CD images?04:05
cartel_Riddell: im going to sort this one out with bab04:09
cartel_Riddell: what cpp version is used to generate kde packages in kubuntu04:14
cartel_3.4? 4.0?04:15
cartel_Riddell: i cant build the kdesdk package04:18
Kamion3.3 seems more likely04:20
cartel_ok building now04:21
KamionKubuntu daily-live CDs built04:22
cartel_Riddell: i pity you :( this deb sux04:46
cartel_its so ass04:46
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cartel_Riddell: i got kio_svn installed, by running ./configure and make install on kio_svn... deb didnt want to play nice when i tried to add a package for kio_svn. will reportbug on it to debian maintainer.05:10
cartel_Riddell: bug #2: umbrello missing code generators06:55
cartel_Riddell: bab reports both bugs fixed in latest packaes in BRANCH07:47
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mdzamu: here?09:05
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amumdz: yep09:50
amu... testing the images 09:51
froudamu: is there a single file that defines all the desktop menu system and where is it located?10:07
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amu /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu10:10
amufroud: ^10:10
froudthanks10:10
froudamu: do you happen to know the same for gnome :-)10:11
amuit's thesame on gnome, it's a freedesktop standard10:11
froudcool10:12
froudthat makes life easier, I want to script the doc system to update according to menu changes in the system10:12
amuyep, for kde you can use kmenuedit , in oder to change the entries/items10:14
amufor gnome, i dont know if there's a editor atm 10:15
froudamu: what I had in mind is to script our Docbook Framework to build menu entities from this source10:31
froudamu: I see applications.menu is xml so it make slife easy fo rme to do it with xslt10:34
froudamu: would be nice to not list non kde apps10:41
froud<Menu>10:41
froud                <Name>Applications</Name>10:41
froud                <Directory>kde-unknown.directory</Directory>10:41
froud                <OnlyUnallocated/>10:41
froud                <Include>10:41
froud                        <Not>10:41
froud                                <!-- Don't list non-KDE core applications -->10:41
froud                                <And>10:41
froud                                        <Category>Core</Category>10:41
froud                                        <Not><Category>KDE</Category></Not>10:41
froud                                </And>10:41
froud                                <!-- Don't list SUSE's YaST in here -->10:41
froud                                <Category>X-SuSE-YaST</Category>10:41
froud                        </Not>10:41
froud                </Include>10:41
froud        </Menu>10:41
froudI have both gnome and kde installed and it makes a mess10:42
froudbut some users may want access to both gnome and kde apps from desktop menus10:42
froudso some way to toggle would be nice10:42
froudON = no gnome apps10:42
froudOFF = both gnome and kde apps10:43
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amufroud-work: that probably need some repackaing old entries, see kontrollcenter, we're hiding the entry in gnome, if you remove them, after installing a deb they go to unknown10:53
amuOnlyShowIn=KDE 10:57
amuthat works10:57
froud-workwhere is KControl do you see this10:59
amu"only shown in kde" 11:00
froud-workamu: sorry, but I am lost. What module in KControl has this option. Is it a GUI thing or is it in the menu files only.11:05
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Beineribtw, the documentation is funny. the release notes talk about Kubuntu but "About Ubuntu, The Wonderful World of Linux" says "the project currently lacks the resources to maintain both KDE and GNOME [..]  you will find all the KDE packages you want in the universe component"11:22
froud-workBeineri: Hmmm, good point dude11:24
froud-workour bad11:24
froud-work:-(11:24
Beinerifroud-work: same for Quick Guide/Ubuntu in General/The Desktop11:27
froud-workBeineri: yes. I think we will have this problem in other places. For next release I am restructuring our SVN and changing our workflow to better incorporate Kubuntu11:29
froud-workBeineri: unfortunately the docteam and Kubuntu made contact too late and many things were not taken intoo cansideration for Kubuntu11:29
froud-workBeineri: however, after our restructure we will have project Kubuntu in our tree11:30
Beinerifroud-work: I don't think that there are other general places talking about KDE. Everything else seems to be GNOME desktop specific.11:30
froud-workBeineri: exactly11:30
froud-workNo KDE11:30
froud-workI have on the cards a Kubuntu Quick Guide11:30
froud-workWe may also have a FAQ Guide for Kubuntu11:31
froud-workI dunno about a user guide11:31
froud-workI dunno about an admin guide11:31
Beineriis there a plan/wiki page what could be improved in a future Kubuntu? :-)11:31
froud-workcertainly we will have a book on CLI use that will apply to both versions of the distro11:32
froud-workBeineri: not yet11:32
froud-workBeineri: these are all issues on the cards11:32
Beinerior a Kubuntu FAQ page?11:32
BeineriTurning on and making actually work OOo1 KDE file dialogs comes to my mind as a bit tricky...11:33
froud-workThere is a FAQ at kubuntu.org.uk11:33
froud-workI have prepared to develop it in our SVN repository and riddle will upload it11:33
Beinerifroud-work: type down your cards to the wiki :-)11:34
froud-workthe documentaton section of this site will also have the kubuntu quick guide and user guide11:34
froud-workBeineri: huh?11:34
Beinerifroud-work: what are "your cards" currently?11:35
Beineristicky notes on your display? :-)11:35
froud-workBeineri: I just said we need to restructure our repos and during this will also come an update to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocumentationTeam11:35
froud-workThis will then impact on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamProjects11:36
froud-workAs of last Docteam meeting we have a Kubuntu document for each of those projects11:36
Beinerifroud-work: I guess we mixing talking about improving documentation and improving other stuff Kubuntu atm :-)11:37
froud-workBeineri: my focus is documentation11:37
froud-workBeineri: were you speaking about something else?11:38
Beinerifroud-work: me also, yes. what can be generally improved in Kubuntu (like docu integration, better system tools, ...)11:39
froud-workAh11:39
froud-workThere are many things, but I try to limit my scope to documentation11:39
froud-workI presently first need to accomodate Kubuntu in our repos before I can make real suggestions on these matters11:40
froud-workafter this I will be much wiser to the pros and cons11:41
froud-workFor example the KDE documentation team requirements11:41
froud-workthey are not as flexible as GNOME11:41
froud-workall sorts of processing requirements11:41
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Lathiat02:17
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Kamionhave any of you guys done any testing of the probably-final daily builds yet?03:27
KamionI'm rebuilding the powerpc DVD to make it bootable (I hope), but other than that I don't anticipate further builds03:27
Lathiatwhats the target time+zone for release? (or number of hours away?)03:29
Kamiontomorrow morning London time, probably03:29
ttfKamion: the installer still wants to dload the language packs even if you say "No" before. This is a problem if you are on a slow line or only connected to a router via dhcp but not actually to the internet. The only workaround I can see is to press Ctrl-C03:56
ttfor install in English :)03:56
Kamionttf: yeah, I only noticed that too late unfortunately04:00
ttfKamion: k - tested live CD and install CD - look good so far - still testing..04:04
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ttfRiddell: you can actually pass any password to kdesu after you ran it once and it will take it as the proper one. This has probably got to do with the 15min timeout of sudo..04:55
Riddellttf: yes, I know04:57
Riddellttf: I can give a long winded explanation if you want04:58
Lathiatgksudo seems to handle that04:59
Riddellmy philosophy was to try and make minimal changes to the kdesu code05:00
mdzKamion: amu said he was testing the live CD earlier05:36
mdzwe need a full set of tests of the current images, though05:36
mdz{live,install,dvd}-{amd64,i386,powerpc}05:36
Riddellcan anyone test the DVDs?05:37
amufirst DVD is downloaded05:38
uniqhello gentlemen.05:55
uniqriddell: thanks for info, i'll test it from archives now.05:55
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Riddellhttp://kubuntu.org/hoary-release.php06:36
BeineriRiddell: "the team *is* proud"06:39
Beineriand the first two press contacts miss contact information :-)06:40
haggais/a desktop clear of icons/an uncluttered desktop/ ?06:40
Beineriand all three should get email ;-)06:40
RiddellBeineri: well spotted, fixed06:41
apokryphosMinor one: of 18 months[']  support06:42
haggaino, the support does not belong to the months06:42
apokryphosSo is Kubuntu technically a "seperate Linux distribution"? I generally referred to it as a different "Ubuntu release"...06:42
Riddellhaggai: an uncluttered desktop it is06:42
Kamionit's technically a derivative distribution of Ubuntu06:43
Kamionnot an Ubuntu release06:43
apokryphoshaggai: it does :), think of one week. "One week's support"06:43
apokryphosHm, interesting. "Derivative distribution" doesn't quite capture that it's not a fork though, does it? 06:44
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Riddellhaggai: make any changes on novo as you wish06:44
haggaiRiddell: how about mentioning that things are configured to work out of the box?  I'm thinking in particular of the new media support06:45
haggaiRiddell: ok, thanks a lot.  It's really good already06:45
Riddellhaggai: good idea06:45
Kamionapokryphos: currently, it's true that Kubuntu is constrained to use the exact same base system and the exact same installer code as Ubuntu06:45
Kamionapokryphos: I'm not sure this will necessarily always be the case though06:45
Kamionwe just don't have archive support for any other arrangement at the moment06:46
Kamionwell, not sanely06:46
apokryphosIf it didn't then "release" wouldn't be quite accurate, sure. 06:46
apokryphosThough, Kubuntu is an Ubuntu project06:47
Kamionerm06:48
Kamionsort of06:48
uniqI'd suggest changing the Highlights of KDE 3.4 into a easier read list.. more like the kde.org release annoucement.. 06:48
KamionKubuntu gets support from various Ubuntu developers in their capacities as maintainers of various bits of infrastructure, and general advice06:49
Kamionbut it doesn't generally get development effort from the people paid to work on Ubuntu06:49
Kamionvolunteers can, of course, do whatever they like :)06:49
apokryphosI thought haggai and amu here were getting paid to work on it, even though if it wasn't mainly for that.. 06:50
Kamionon Kubuntu, not on Ubuntu. :-)06:50
KamionI think you're sort of confusing the issue by conflating Canonical and Ubuntu, here ...06:51
apokryphosI guess it still is the "Community Effort", then. Sounds kinda shaky giving it that title though since it's in Main :-o. Might just be me.06:51
Kamionwe have uploaders to main who aren't paid by Canonical in any way06:51
apokryphosright06:51
Kamionit's just that that only got going post-warty so there aren't many of them yet06:51
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apokryphosWill it never get developement from those paid to work on Ubuntu, or are such things just speculative now?06:52
uniqnever say never :)06:53
apokryphosI guess that's a reasonably defining characteristic on K's position06:53
Kamionindeed. there are enough things common to both projects that it's not always easy to draw a line. I've done installer work to support Kubuntu, for instance. (I wouldn't expect the Ubuntu *desktop* hackers to develop Kubuntu, in general, though.)06:54
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mdzhaggai,Riddell,amu: how many of the images have been tested and can be considered gold?07:19
mdzand do we have a kubuntu release announcement prepared?07:24
apokryphosRiddell posted this earlier: http://kubuntu.org/hoary-release.php07:24
Beinerihe, this strange colors on live-cd thing is fixed? :-)07:30
amumdz: dvd need 2,5h more for a test, tested ppc on a ibook powerbook, samsung and ibm (live) also tested install on the ibm. 07:32
mdzamu: so which ISOs have been tested?07:32
amu7.107:32
mdzamu: ok, give me the md5sums instead07:33
mdzI need to know exactly which files you have tested, and which have not been tested yet07:33
amua276364b6b11e4532c0688da494ce595  hoary-live-i386.iso07:35
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amube0ab9ffde133a6b6843da8bac275b29  hoary-install-i386.iso07:36
amu70eb0427ab082b78ffa8d2995cb47c88  hoary-dvd-powerpc.iso07:38
Riddellnow installing be0ab9ffde133a6b6843da8bac275b29  hoary-install-i386.iso07:41
Kamionif you're fetching amd64/i386 DVDs, watch out, they're currently rebuilding for a small boot screen text change07:46
Kamionamu: that's an Ubuntu DVD image, not Kubuntu07:47
amuKamion: yep pitti ask me for testing it... 07:54
Kamionright07:54
Kamionjust a note that there are the Kubuntu DVDs too which I'm not sure anyone's tested; we can choose not to release those straight away, of course07:54
mdzwe need kubuntu testing more than we need ubuntu testing right now07:54
mdzall 6 Kubuntu CDs need to be tested, followed by the 3 Kubuntu DVDs07:55
mdzso far it looks like 2 Kubuntu CDs have been tested07:55
=== Lathiat can do some cd testing, unfortunately it will take a good 3.5 hours to suck them down.
Lathiatperhaps an rsync from the ubuntu intall cd would speed it up a little07:57
amumdz: still 2h ETA for the i386 DVD07:58
mdzLathiat: it should somewhat, but overall it might still be a loss since rsyncing the remainder is slower than downloading it via http07:58
mdzhaggai: are you around?07:58
Lathiatmdz: which cd is untested?08:00
mdzLathiat: hoary-live-amd64, hoary-live-powerpc, hoary-install-amd64, hoary-install-i386, hoary-install-powerpc, hoary-dvd-amd64, hoary-dvd-i386, hoary-dvd-powerpc08:00
Riddellamu: how can I burn the powerpc iso from MacOS?  I get "The application Disk Utility has unexpectedly quit"08:01
Lathiatok im getting hoaryintsall-i386, will give that a bash, dont have any powerpc or amd64 and a dvd would take too long to come down.08:01
KamionRiddell: I believe Toast works08:03
amuRiddell: look for toast iss payware, there was 1 which is free, look to www.versiontracker.com and search for cd recording soft 08:07
mdzdoesn't cdrecord work as well, under MacOS?08:10
Lathiatit does08:11
mdzI believe it's only Disk Utility which is broken08:12
Kamionspecifically hdiutil08:12
Kamionwhich is the command-line piece of it08:12
RiddellI can't download http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/20050407.2/hoary-dvd-i386.iso08:17
elmodetails?08:18
Riddellwget http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/20050407.2/hoary-dvd-i386.iso  just gives an empty file08:19
elmodoes wget have LFS support?08:19
Riddellhow would I find out?08:19
uniqlfs as in? 08:20
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Kamionelmo: apparently not08:30
KamionRiddell: try curl?08:30
Kamionuniq: large file support08:30
elmoscore08:30
uniqkamion: ok. thanks :)08:32
Riddell$ curl http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/20050407.2/hoary-dvd-i386.iso08:33
Riddellcurl: (18) transfer closed with 3101596248 bytes remaining to read08:34
amuRiddell: Firestarter FX was the free one 08:34
Riddellcool, seems to work08:45
Riddellam I the only one affected by this dvd download problem?08:50
BeineriRiddell: works/starts here downloading08:52
KamionRiddell: rsync's fine FWIW, has more overhead though08:55
haggaimdz: I tested i386 live & install09:02
mdzok, that still leaves 4 CD images and 3 DVD images untested09:03
RiddellI confirm 386 live and install09:03
mdzelmo: wget in hoary works09:03
Riddellpowerpc cds burning09:04
mdzamu_: you can test amd64, right?09:04
mdzamu_: that is higher priority than DVD09:04
amumdz: finsihed with amd64 ... (live ) 5768111b52a291c65ec80979b56ccc3b  hoary-live-amd64.iso09:08
amuworks fine, about sound i dont know, net,graphic,keyboard,mouse was well detected09:09
amuis there a kind of amd64 vmware ? 09:15
uniqbochs maybe? 09:25
uniqhttp://bochs.sourceforge.net/09:26
uniq"Bochs can be compiled to emulate a 386, 486, Pentium, Pentium Pro or AMD64 CPU"09:27
Riddellpowerpc CDs work great09:27
RiddellExcept for waking-from-sleep - what's up with that?09:28
elmowhat kind of powerpc is it?09:28
amuRiddell: ibook?09:28
Riddellibbok G409:29
Riddellibook G409:29
amuRiddell: yep wellknown bug, with xorg 09:29
elmothe ibook sleep code is still buggy in the version we have09:29
Riddellfair enough09:29
Riddellwell I think that's about all I can test here09:30
Riddell1b1def3bfe53dee3a5b01798d2ee88e5  hoary-install-powerpc.iso09:30
Riddell9d69df74253ce7e983ce79927dfb0c57  hoary-live-powerpc.iso09:30
Riddellwas what I tested09:30
Kamiongood, current09:31
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amuRiddell: you tested it on ethernet?   09:33
Riddellamu: on ethernet?09:34
amuRiddell: tests dhcp on wireless / ethernet 09:35
amuRiddell: on my ppc sound bass/treble was set to 0, DRC Range also to 0 .. means no sound  09:38
amuppc=pb409:38
amueverything other "works" ethernet and wlan (pcmica)  09:39
Riddellethernet works09:43
Riddellsound works fine09:43
mdzamu: file a bug about that (alsa-base) for breezy09:47
mdzhas hoary-install-amd64 been tested?09:48
mdzI saw hoary-live-amd6409:51
amuok tested 9d69df74253ce7e983ce79927dfb0c57  hoary-live-powerpc.iso on a ibook g4 and powerbook G4 ... both sound is set default to null, pb works out of the box with pcmcia wlan, ibook with usb-wlan doesnt work, for sleep mode it need a modified xorg.conf     10:00
amumdz: should i retry ubuntu-ppc for sound ? if there's sound, it's a problem of kmix 10:04
amu13min. ETA for kubuntu-i386 DVD10:05
mdzamu: yes, try it after all kubuntu testing is finished though10:38
mdzthe next priority is hoary-install-amd6410:38
amuTrack 01:   0 of 2957 MB written.10:43
amumdz: ok, amd64, should i try vmware for i386, any better other idea? 10:43
mdzamu: haggai said he tested live-i386 and install-i38610:44
mdzbut you are the only one who can test amd64 I think10:44
amumdz: writing the DVD ... looks like, but i cant install it. That's my mail/web/database server  10:45
mdzamu: can you install to a spare partition?10:46
mdzthat is what I do on i38610:46
amumdz: there's no left :(     10:48
amutried with a external usb disk, d-i stops, while detecting hardware10:49
mdzyou have no free space on your existing partitions?10:49
amuyes 10:49
amui have 10:50
amuDVD amd64 is 4:05 ETA ... should i continue ? 10:52
mdzamu: please get the CD first, and then you can resume it11:17
mdzif we have to release the DVDs late, we can, but not the CDs11:17
amuinstall and live i've all, didnt synced the DVD, my line is still very bad, so i didnt synced the DVD's 11:18
mdzok, let them download during the night; we can release them later11:22
mdzthe most important thing is to test all 6 CD images; according to my notes from this channel, hoary-install-amd64 is the only one that is untested11:22
amui'll do it in another way, i'll use another hdd, it's too much risk loosing datas 11:27
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amumdz: found a spare 20gig ... i'm off a while11:42
cartel_Riddell: did you get my info?11:47
cartel_Riddell: about kdesdk?11:49

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