[12:14] <Riddell> uniq: rosegarden4_1.0-1ubuntu1_source.changes ACCEPTED
[12:17] <uniq> riddell: nice :)
[12:18] <uniq> riddell: i've started much about the same process with digikam.. as requested by a few people.. looks like libkexif1 isn't buildt for ubuntu at all.
[12:19] <uniq> a bit easier when i've done one package for ubuntu.. getting to know the process.
[12:19] <uniq> (libkexif1 is a digikam build-depend)
[12:46] <lamont_r> make[7] : Entering directory `/build/buildd/kde-i18n-3.4.0+cvs20040506/pt/docs/kdebase/konqueror'
[12:46] <lamont_r> /usr/bin/meinproc --check --cache index.cache.bz2 ./index.docbook
[12:46] <lamont_r> browser.docbook:123: parser error : AttValue: " or ' expected
[12:46] <lamont_r> >. A <link linkend=\"tabbrowse\"
[12:46] <lamont_r>                    ^
[12:46] <lamont_r> can I interest anyone in -1ubuntu_3_???
[12:46] <Riddell> sigh
[12:46] <Riddell> haggai?
[12:47] <haggai> yuk
[12:47] <Riddell> haggai: give up and revert?
[12:48] <lamont_r> but we made it 2:25 into this build... much further than that mere 106 minutes before - we're clear up to 145 minutes - almost 50% more.. :-(
[12:48] <haggai> Riddell: guess so
[12:52] <Kamion> can I interest anyone in a test-build before uploading? :-/
[12:53] <Kamion> I realise it takes longer, but then you'll have something you might be able to incrementally fix, rather than having to start from scratch each time
[12:54] <haggai> Kamion: I'm reverting back to the older version.  I have no diffs between the files except the changelog and some subdirs files.  I have a build already in progress and can wait for it if you think its worthwhile
[12:55] <Kamion> not if you're just reverting
[12:55] <Kamion> what version number?
[12:55] <haggai> kde-i18n (4:3.4.0+cvs20040506.really.3.4.0-0ubuntu1) hoary; urgency=low
[12:55] <Kamion> cool
[12:56] <Kamion> or not, but yeah. probably best.
[12:56] <haggai> well yeah, best of a bad lot so to say
[12:56] <Kamion> nod
[12:56] <haggai> ok I'll upload then
[12:57] <haggai> ooh novo has dput now good stuff Riddell
[12:57] <allee> uniq: libkexif1{,-dev}?   -> http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/hoary/Pkgs.php   Do I miss something?
[12:58] <Riddell> haggai: dput with debian still in the /etc/dput.cf, I need to mind not to upload to debian by mistake
[12:58] <haggai> Riddell: yeah already checked :)
[01:01] <haggai> reverted kde-i18n uploaded
[01:02] <uniq> allee: ahh. you got them too. then i'll just rm -rf my stuff :)
[01:03] <allee> uniq:  If you did anything else than add ubuntu to version and change section, keep it.
[01:03] <uniq> i didn't.
[01:04] <uniq> yet, anyways.
[01:07] <haggai> gah I'm not very good at writing announcements
[01:07] <Riddell> haggai: what do you have?
[01:08] <haggai> Riddell: ~halls/kubuntu_announce.txt on novo, not very far I keep deleting stuff
[01:10] <Kamion> haggai: kde-i18n> checking
[01:10] <Riddell> two sentences.  short and sweet :)
[01:10] <haggai> ooh cool
[01:10] <haggai> dpkg-deb: building package `kde-i18n-ar' in `../kde-i18n-ar_3.4.0+cvs20040506.really.3.4.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb'.
[01:10] <haggai> Kamion: test build succeeded
[01:11] <Kamion> debdiff will take a little while, but I have 22 minutes until cron.daily anyway
[01:11] <allee> uniq: if you've time: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/digikam/trunk/debian/changelog?op=file&rev=0&sc=0.
[01:11] <allee> uniq: moving digikam.desktop may be interesting for kubuntu too ;)
[01:12] <haggai> Riddell: no 1 1/2 sentences...
[01:12] <haggai> oh no 2 1/2 :)
[01:13] <uniq> allee: yes. looking good.
[01:16] <Kamion> hah, except somebody accepted it before my debdiff finished
[01:17] <haggai> kde-i18n?
[01:21] <Kamion> yes
[01:22] <Riddell> haggai: tell me if you want me to work on the announcement
[01:34] <haggai> Riddell: would you mind?  You did do a very good job on the previous announces :)
[01:41] <cartel_> w00t
[01:41] <cartel_> svn install didnt turn out to be half as ghetto as i thought
[01:42] <Riddell> need some good quotes
[01:43] <Riddell> haggai said "pah, KOffice will never defeat OpenOffice" while Daniel Silverstone said "do you know the pain that Kubuntu causes me?"
[01:56] <cartel_> wait
[01:56] <cartel_> daniel stone != daniel silverstone?
[01:56] <Kamion> don't confuse the two
[01:56] <haggai> When asked about the reason for Kubuntu, OpenOffice developer Chris Halls just giggled and said "at last!  A project to hack on that takes less than a day to build"
[01:56] <dato> was dsilver's comment about something in particular?
[01:57] <dato> or dsilvers'
[01:57] <Riddell> dato: he was drunk at the time and didn't elaborate
[01:58] <Kamion> dsilvers has been doing some of the Launchpad derived distribution work
[01:58] <Kamion> I imagine that was it
[02:00] <Riddell> so we are the reason for his employment, in a way
[02:14] <haggai> woohoo
[02:14] <haggai>  kde-i18n_4:3.4.0+cvs20040506.really.3.4.0-0ubuntu1_20050407-0033-i386-successful
[02:15] <haggai> finally, I can go to bed
[02:15] <haggai> night folks
[02:16] <uniq> good night.
[02:19] <Riddell> uniq: congratulations! http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/r/rosegarden4/1.0-1ubuntu1/
[02:19] <Riddell> uniq: now you have to download it from the archives and make sure it really does work
[02:20] <Kamion> haggai: thanks for shepherding that through
[02:47] <Kamion> Kubuntu install CDs and live cloops building
[03:10] <Kamion> Kubuntu install CDs built, waiting for cloops
[03:26] <cartel_> where is kio_svn for kubuntu?
[03:27] <Riddell> cartel_: kdenonbeta?
[03:29] <cartel_> Riddell: unusual... its not in sid either
[03:29] <cartel_> Riddell: thiago tells me its in kdesdk
[03:30] <cartel_> http://webcvs.kde.org/kdesdk/kio_svn/
[03:30] <cartel_> maybe build faliure?
[03:32] <cartel_> for that matter where the hesmana is kio_cvs?
[03:33] <cartel_> wait im on crack
[03:44] <cartel_> Riddell: reportbug kdevelop: subversion support will not work without kio_svn, missing from distribution
[03:47] <cartel_> kdevelop3: ERROR: : couldn't create slave : Unable to create io-slave:
[03:47] <cartel_> klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'svn+https'.
[03:49] <cartel_> :(
[03:52] <Riddell> cartel_: please report to bugzilla, or we'll forget
[03:56] <cartel_> Riddell: does ubuntu reportbug go into bugzilla?
[03:57] <Riddell> not sure actually
[03:58] <cartel_> by the looks of this it goes to debian bts :( is there ubuntu bts? or you use bugzilla?
[04:03] <Kamion> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[04:03] <cartel_> ic
[04:04] <cartel_> is there a ben burton here?
[04:04] <Kamion> no
[04:05] <cartel_> ack
[04:05] <mdz> is anyone available to test the kubuntu CD images?
[04:09] <cartel_> Riddell: im going to sort this one out with bab
[04:14] <cartel_> Riddell: what cpp version is used to generate kde packages in kubuntu
[04:15] <cartel_> 3.4? 4.0?
[04:18] <cartel_> Riddell: i cant build the kdesdk package
[04:20] <Kamion> 3.3 seems more likely
[04:21] <cartel_> ok building now
[04:22] <Kamion> Kubuntu daily-live CDs built
[04:46] <cartel_> Riddell: i pity you :( this deb sux
[04:46] <cartel_> its so ass
[05:10] <cartel_> Riddell: i got kio_svn installed, by running ./configure and make install on kio_svn... deb didnt want to play nice when i tried to add a package for kio_svn. will reportbug on it to debian maintainer.
[06:55] <cartel_> Riddell: bug #2: umbrello missing code generators
[07:47] <cartel_> Riddell: bab reports both bugs fixed in latest packaes in BRANCH
[09:05] <mdz> amu: here?
[09:50] <amu> mdz: yep
[09:51] <amu> ... testing the images 
[10:07] <froud> amu: is there a single file that defines all the desktop menu system and where is it located?
[10:10] <amu>  /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu
[10:10] <amu> froud: ^
[10:10] <froud> thanks
[10:11] <froud> amu: do you happen to know the same for gnome :-)
[10:11] <amu> it's thesame on gnome, it's a freedesktop standard
[10:12] <froud> cool
[10:12] <froud> that makes life easier, I want to script the doc system to update according to menu changes in the system
[10:14] <amu> yep, for kde you can use kmenuedit , in oder to change the entries/items
[10:15] <amu> for gnome, i dont know if there's a editor atm 
[10:31] <froud> amu: what I had in mind is to script our Docbook Framework to build menu entities from this source
[10:34] <froud> amu: I see applications.menu is xml so it make slife easy fo rme to do it with xslt
[10:41] <froud> amu: would be nice to not list non kde apps

[10:41] <froud>                 <Name>Applications</Name>
[10:41] <froud>                 <Directory>kde-unknown.directory</Directory>
[10:41] <froud>                 <OnlyUnallocated/>
[10:41] <froud>                 <Include>
[10:41] <froud>                         <Not>
[10:41] <froud>                                 <!-- Don't list non-KDE core applications -->
[10:41] <froud>                                 <And>
[10:41] <froud>                                         <Category>Core</Category>
[10:41] <froud>                                         <Not><Category>KDE</Category></Not>
[10:41] <froud>                                 </And>
[10:41] <froud>                                 <!-- Don't list SUSE's YaST in here -->
[10:41] <froud>                                 <Category>X-SuSE-YaST</Category>
[10:41] <froud>                         </Not>
[10:41] <froud>                 </Include>
[10:41] <froud>         </Menu>
[10:42] <froud> I have both gnome and kde installed and it makes a mess
[10:42] <froud> but some users may want access to both gnome and kde apps from desktop menus
[10:42] <froud> so some way to toggle would be nice
[10:42] <froud> ON = no gnome apps
[10:43] <froud> OFF = both gnome and kde apps
[10:53] <amu> froud-work: that probably need some repackaing old entries, see kontrollcenter, we're hiding the entry in gnome, if you remove them, after installing a deb they go to unknown
[10:57] <amu> OnlyShowIn=KDE 
[10:57] <amu> that works
[10:59] <froud-work> where is KControl do you see this
[11:00] <amu> "only shown in kde" 
[11:05] <froud-work> amu: sorry, but I am lost. What module in KControl has this option. Is it a GUI thing or is it in the menu files only.
[11:22] <Beineri> btw, the documentation is funny. the release notes talk about Kubuntu but "About Ubuntu, The Wonderful World of Linux" says "the project currently lacks the resources to maintain both KDE and GNOME [..]  you will find all the KDE packages you want in the universe component"
[11:24] <froud-work> Beineri: Hmmm, good point dude
[11:24] <froud-work> our bad
[11:24] <froud-work> :-(
[11:27] <Beineri> froud-work: same for Quick Guide/Ubuntu in General/The Desktop
[11:29] <froud-work> Beineri: yes. I think we will have this problem in other places. For next release I am restructuring our SVN and changing our workflow to better incorporate Kubuntu
[11:29] <froud-work> Beineri: unfortunately the docteam and Kubuntu made contact too late and many things were not taken intoo cansideration for Kubuntu
[11:30] <froud-work> Beineri: however, after our restructure we will have project Kubuntu in our tree
[11:30] <Beineri> froud-work: I don't think that there are other general places talking about KDE. Everything else seems to be GNOME desktop specific.
[11:30] <froud-work> Beineri: exactly
[11:30] <froud-work> No KDE
[11:30] <froud-work> I have on the cards a Kubuntu Quick Guide
[11:31] <froud-work> We may also have a FAQ Guide for Kubuntu
[11:31] <froud-work> I dunno about a user guide
[11:31] <froud-work> I dunno about an admin guide
[11:31] <Beineri> is there a plan/wiki page what could be improved in a future Kubuntu? :-)
[11:32] <froud-work> certainly we will have a book on CLI use that will apply to both versions of the distro
[11:32] <froud-work> Beineri: not yet
[11:32] <froud-work> Beineri: these are all issues on the cards
[11:32] <Beineri> or a Kubuntu FAQ page?
[11:33] <Beineri> Turning on and making actually work OOo1 KDE file dialogs comes to my mind as a bit tricky...
[11:33] <froud-work> There is a FAQ at kubuntu.org.uk
[11:33] <froud-work> I have prepared to develop it in our SVN repository and riddle will upload it
[11:34] <Beineri> froud-work: type down your cards to the wiki :-)
[11:34] <froud-work> the documentaton section of this site will also have the kubuntu quick guide and user guide
[11:34] <froud-work> Beineri: huh?
[11:35] <Beineri> froud-work: what are "your cards" currently?
[11:35] <Beineri> sticky notes on your display? :-)
[11:35] <froud-work> Beineri: I just said we need to restructure our repos and during this will also come an update to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocumentationTeam
[11:36] <froud-work> This will then impact on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamProjects
[11:36] <froud-work> As of last Docteam meeting we have a Kubuntu document for each of those projects
[11:37] <Beineri> froud-work: I guess we mixing talking about improving documentation and improving other stuff Kubuntu atm :-)
[11:37] <froud-work> Beineri: my focus is documentation
[11:38] <froud-work> Beineri: were you speaking about something else?
[11:39] <Beineri> froud-work: me also, yes. what can be generally improved in Kubuntu (like docu integration, better system tools, ...)
[11:39] <froud-work> Ah
[11:39] <froud-work> There are many things, but I try to limit my scope to documentation
[11:40] <froud-work> I presently first need to accomodate Kubuntu in our repos before I can make real suggestions on these matters
[11:41] <froud-work> after this I will be much wiser to the pros and cons
[11:41] <froud-work> For example the KDE documentation team requirements
[11:41] <froud-work> they are not as flexible as GNOME
[11:41] <froud-work> all sorts of processing requirements
[02:17] <Lathiat> 
[03:27] <Kamion> have any of you guys done any testing of the probably-final daily builds yet?
[03:27] <Kamion> I'm rebuilding the powerpc DVD to make it bootable (I hope), but other than that I don't anticipate further builds
[03:29] <Lathiat> whats the target time+zone for release? (or number of hours away?)
[03:29] <Kamion> tomorrow morning London time, probably
[03:56] <ttf> Kamion: the installer still wants to dload the language packs even if you say "No" before. This is a problem if you are on a slow line or only connected to a router via dhcp but not actually to the internet. The only workaround I can see is to press Ctrl-C
[03:56] <ttf> or install in English :)
[04:00] <Kamion> ttf: yeah, I only noticed that too late unfortunately
[04:04] <ttf> Kamion: k - tested live CD and install CD - look good so far - still testing..
[04:55] <ttf> Riddell: you can actually pass any password to kdesu after you ran it once and it will take it as the proper one. This has probably got to do with the 15min timeout of sudo..
[04:57] <Riddell> ttf: yes, I know
[04:58] <Riddell> ttf: I can give a long winded explanation if you want
[04:59] <Lathiat> gksudo seems to handle that
[05:00] <Riddell> my philosophy was to try and make minimal changes to the kdesu code
[05:36] <mdz> Kamion: amu said he was testing the live CD earlier
[05:36] <mdz> we need a full set of tests of the current images, though
[05:36] <mdz> {live,install,dvd}-{amd64,i386,powerpc}
[05:37] <Riddell> can anyone test the DVDs?
[05:38] <amu> first DVD is downloaded
[05:55] <uniq> hello gentlemen.
[05:55] <uniq> riddell: thanks for info, i'll test it from archives now.
[06:36] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-release.php
[06:39] <Beineri> Riddell: "the team *is* proud"
[06:40] <Beineri> and the first two press contacts miss contact information :-)
[06:40] <haggai> s/a desktop clear of icons/an uncluttered desktop/ ?
[06:40] <Beineri> and all three should get email ;-)
[06:41] <Riddell> Beineri: well spotted, fixed
[06:42] <apokryphos> Minor one: of 18 months[']  support
[06:42] <haggai> no, the support does not belong to the months
[06:42] <apokryphos> So is Kubuntu technically a "seperate Linux distribution"? I generally referred to it as a different "Ubuntu release"...
[06:42] <Riddell> haggai: an uncluttered desktop it is
[06:43] <Kamion> it's technically a derivative distribution of Ubuntu
[06:43] <Kamion> not an Ubuntu release
[06:43] <apokryphos> haggai: it does :), think of one week. "One week's support"
[06:44] <apokryphos> Hm, interesting. "Derivative distribution" doesn't quite capture that it's not a fork though, does it? 
[06:44] <Riddell> haggai: make any changes on novo as you wish
[06:45] <haggai> Riddell: how about mentioning that things are configured to work out of the box?  I'm thinking in particular of the new media support
[06:45] <haggai> Riddell: ok, thanks a lot.  It's really good already
[06:45] <Riddell> haggai: good idea
[06:45] <Kamion> apokryphos: currently, it's true that Kubuntu is constrained to use the exact same base system and the exact same installer code as Ubuntu
[06:45] <Kamion> apokryphos: I'm not sure this will necessarily always be the case though
[06:46] <Kamion> we just don't have archive support for any other arrangement at the moment
[06:46] <Kamion> well, not sanely
[06:46] <apokryphos> If it didn't then "release" wouldn't be quite accurate, sure. 
[06:47] <apokryphos> Though, Kubuntu is an Ubuntu project
[06:48] <Kamion> erm
[06:48] <Kamion> sort of
[06:48] <uniq> I'd suggest changing the Highlights of KDE 3.4 into a easier read list.. more like the kde.org release annoucement.. 
[06:49] <Kamion> Kubuntu gets support from various Ubuntu developers in their capacities as maintainers of various bits of infrastructure, and general advice
[06:49] <Kamion> but it doesn't generally get development effort from the people paid to work on Ubuntu
[06:49] <Kamion> volunteers can, of course, do whatever they like :)
[06:50] <apokryphos> I thought haggai and amu here were getting paid to work on it, even though if it wasn't mainly for that.. 
[06:50] <Kamion> on Kubuntu, not on Ubuntu. :-)
[06:51] <Kamion> I think you're sort of confusing the issue by conflating Canonical and Ubuntu, here ...
[06:51] <apokryphos> I guess it still is the "Community Effort", then. Sounds kinda shaky giving it that title though since it's in Main :-o. Might just be me.
[06:51] <Kamion> we have uploaders to main who aren't paid by Canonical in any way
[06:51] <apokryphos> right
[06:51] <Kamion> it's just that that only got going post-warty so there aren't many of them yet
[06:52] <apokryphos> Will it never get developement from those paid to work on Ubuntu, or are such things just speculative now?
[06:53] <uniq> never say never :)
[06:53] <apokryphos> I guess that's a reasonably defining characteristic on K's position
[06:54] <Kamion> indeed. there are enough things common to both projects that it's not always easy to draw a line. I've done installer work to support Kubuntu, for instance. (I wouldn't expect the Ubuntu *desktop* hackers to develop Kubuntu, in general, though.)
[07:19] <mdz> haggai,Riddell,amu: how many of the images have been tested and can be considered gold?
[07:24] <mdz> and do we have a kubuntu release announcement prepared?
[07:24] <apokryphos> Riddell posted this earlier: http://kubuntu.org/hoary-release.php
[07:30] <Beineri> he, this strange colors on live-cd thing is fixed? :-)
[07:32] <amu> mdz: dvd need 2,5h more for a test, tested ppc on a ibook powerbook, samsung and ibm (live) also tested install on the ibm. 
[07:32] <mdz> amu: so which ISOs have been tested?
[07:32] <amu> 7.1
[07:33] <mdz> amu: ok, give me the md5sums instead
[07:33] <mdz> I need to know exactly which files you have tested, and which have not been tested yet
[07:35] <amu> a276364b6b11e4532c0688da494ce595  hoary-live-i386.iso
[07:36] <amu> be0ab9ffde133a6b6843da8bac275b29  hoary-install-i386.iso
[07:38] <amu> 70eb0427ab082b78ffa8d2995cb47c88  hoary-dvd-powerpc.iso
[07:41] <Riddell> now installing be0ab9ffde133a6b6843da8bac275b29  hoary-install-i386.iso
[07:46] <Kamion> if you're fetching amd64/i386 DVDs, watch out, they're currently rebuilding for a small boot screen text change
[07:47] <Kamion> amu: that's an Ubuntu DVD image, not Kubuntu
[07:54] <amu> Kamion: yep pitti ask me for testing it... 
[07:54] <Kamion> right
[07:54] <Kamion> just a note that there are the Kubuntu DVDs too which I'm not sure anyone's tested; we can choose not to release those straight away, of course
[07:54] <mdz> we need kubuntu testing more than we need ubuntu testing right now
[07:55] <mdz> all 6 Kubuntu CDs need to be tested, followed by the 3 Kubuntu DVDs
[07:55] <mdz> so far it looks like 2 Kubuntu CDs have been tested
[07:57] <Lathiat> perhaps an rsync from the ubuntu intall cd would speed it up a little
[07:58] <amu> mdz: still 2h ETA for the i386 DVD
[07:58] <mdz> Lathiat: it should somewhat, but overall it might still be a loss since rsyncing the remainder is slower than downloading it via http
[07:58] <mdz> haggai: are you around?
[08:00] <Lathiat> mdz: which cd is untested?
[08:00] <mdz> Lathiat: hoary-live-amd64, hoary-live-powerpc, hoary-install-amd64, hoary-install-i386, hoary-install-powerpc, hoary-dvd-amd64, hoary-dvd-i386, hoary-dvd-powerpc
[08:01] <Riddell> amu: how can I burn the powerpc iso from MacOS?  I get "The application Disk Utility has unexpectedly quit"
[08:01] <Lathiat> ok im getting hoaryintsall-i386, will give that a bash, dont have any powerpc or amd64 and a dvd would take too long to come down.
[08:03] <Kamion> Riddell: I believe Toast works
[08:07] <amu> Riddell: look for toast iss payware, there was 1 which is free, look to www.versiontracker.com and search for cd recording soft 
[08:10] <mdz> doesn't cdrecord work as well, under MacOS?
[08:11] <Lathiat> it does
[08:12] <mdz> I believe it's only Disk Utility which is broken
[08:12] <Kamion> specifically hdiutil
[08:12] <Kamion> which is the command-line piece of it
[08:17] <Riddell> I can't download http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/20050407.2/hoary-dvd-i386.iso
[08:18] <elmo> details?
[08:19] <Riddell> wget http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/20050407.2/hoary-dvd-i386.iso  just gives an empty file
[08:19] <elmo> does wget have LFS support?
[08:19] <Riddell> how would I find out?
[08:20] <uniq> lfs as in? 
[08:30] <Kamion> elmo: apparently not
[08:30] <Kamion> Riddell: try curl?
[08:30] <Kamion> uniq: large file support
[08:30] <elmo> score
[08:32] <uniq> kamion: ok. thanks :)
[08:33] <Riddell> $ curl http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/20050407.2/hoary-dvd-i386.iso
[08:34] <Riddell> curl: (18) transfer closed with 3101596248 bytes remaining to read
[08:34] <amu> Riddell: Firestarter FX was the free one 
[08:45] <Riddell> cool, seems to work
[08:50] <Riddell> am I the only one affected by this dvd download problem?
[08:52] <Beineri> Riddell: works/starts here downloading
[08:55] <Kamion> Riddell: rsync's fine FWIW, has more overhead though
[09:02] <haggai> mdz: I tested i386 live & install
[09:03] <mdz> ok, that still leaves 4 CD images and 3 DVD images untested
[09:03] <Riddell> I confirm 386 live and install
[09:03] <mdz> elmo: wget in hoary works
[09:04] <Riddell> powerpc cds burning
[09:04] <mdz> amu_: you can test amd64, right?
[09:04] <mdz> amu_: that is higher priority than DVD
[09:08] <amu> mdz: finsihed with amd64 ... (live ) 5768111b52a291c65ec80979b56ccc3b  hoary-live-amd64.iso
[09:09] <amu> works fine, about sound i dont know, net,graphic,keyboard,mouse was well detected
[09:15] <amu> is there a kind of amd64 vmware ? 
[09:25] <uniq> bochs maybe? 
[09:26] <uniq> http://bochs.sourceforge.net/
[09:27] <uniq> "Bochs can be compiled to emulate a 386, 486, Pentium, Pentium Pro or AMD64 CPU"
[09:27] <Riddell> powerpc CDs work great
[09:28] <Riddell> Except for waking-from-sleep - what's up with that?
[09:28] <elmo> what kind of powerpc is it?
[09:28] <amu> Riddell: ibook?
[09:29] <Riddell> ibbok G4
[09:29] <Riddell> ibook G4
[09:29] <amu> Riddell: yep wellknown bug, with xorg 
[09:29] <elmo> the ibook sleep code is still buggy in the version we have
[09:29] <Riddell> fair enough
[09:30] <Riddell> well I think that's about all I can test here
[09:30] <Riddell> 1b1def3bfe53dee3a5b01798d2ee88e5  hoary-install-powerpc.iso
[09:30] <Riddell> 9d69df74253ce7e983ce79927dfb0c57  hoary-live-powerpc.iso
[09:30] <Riddell> was what I tested
[09:31] <Kamion> good, current
[09:33] <amu> Riddell: you tested it on ethernet?   
[09:34] <Riddell> amu: on ethernet?
[09:35] <amu> Riddell: tests dhcp on wireless / ethernet 
[09:38] <amu> Riddell: on my ppc sound bass/treble was set to 0, DRC Range also to 0 .. means no sound  
[09:38] <amu> ppc=pb4
[09:39] <amu> everything other "works" ethernet and wlan (pcmica)  
[09:43] <Riddell> ethernet works
[09:43] <Riddell> sound works fine
[09:47] <mdz> amu: file a bug about that (alsa-base) for breezy
[09:48] <mdz> has hoary-install-amd64 been tested?
[09:51] <mdz> I saw hoary-live-amd64
[10:00] <amu> ok tested 9d69df74253ce7e983ce79927dfb0c57  hoary-live-powerpc.iso on a ibook g4 and powerbook G4 ... both sound is set default to null, pb works out of the box with pcmcia wlan, ibook with usb-wlan doesnt work, for sleep mode it need a modified xorg.conf     
[10:04] <amu> mdz: should i retry ubuntu-ppc for sound ? if there's sound, it's a problem of kmix 
[10:05] <amu> 13min. ETA for kubuntu-i386 DVD
[10:38] <mdz> amu: yes, try it after all kubuntu testing is finished though
[10:38] <mdz> the next priority is hoary-install-amd64
[10:43] <amu> Track 01:   0 of 2957 MB written.
[10:43] <amu> mdz: ok, amd64, should i try vmware for i386, any better other idea? 
[10:44] <mdz> amu: haggai said he tested live-i386 and install-i386
[10:44] <mdz> but you are the only one who can test amd64 I think
[10:45] <amu> mdz: writing the DVD ... looks like, but i cant install it. That's my mail/web/database server  
[10:46] <mdz> amu: can you install to a spare partition?
[10:46] <mdz> that is what I do on i386
[10:48] <amu> mdz: there's no left :(     
[10:49] <amu> tried with a external usb disk, d-i stops, while detecting hardware
[10:49] <mdz> you have no free space on your existing partitions?
[10:49] <amu> yes 
[10:50] <amu> i have 
[10:52] <amu> DVD amd64 is 4:05 ETA ... should i continue ? 
[11:17] <mdz> amu: please get the CD first, and then you can resume it
[11:17] <mdz> if we have to release the DVDs late, we can, but not the CDs
[11:18] <amu> install and live i've all, didnt synced the DVD, my line is still very bad, so i didnt synced the DVD's 
[11:22] <mdz> ok, let them download during the night; we can release them later
[11:22] <mdz> the most important thing is to test all 6 CD images; according to my notes from this channel, hoary-install-amd64 is the only one that is untested
[11:27] <amu> i'll do it in another way, i'll use another hdd, it's too much risk loosing datas 
[11:42] <amu> mdz: found a spare 20gig ... i'm off a while
[11:47] <cartel_> Riddell: did you get my info?
[11:49] <cartel_> Riddell: about kdesdk?