[12:04] <treke> maybe not
[12:04] <treke> maybe the source would be simpler
[12:05] <hunger> How can I find out who is responsible for a deb?
[12:05] <hunger> How do I report a bug on a deb?
[12:07] <treke> ok
[12:08] <treke> here's what's going on. The default session is /usr/binx-session-manager
[12:08] <treke> which is managed by debians alternatives system
[12:08] <treke> so basically whichever is the default
[12:08] <treke> unless you tell it otherwise with update-alternatives
[12:09] <treke> or wait
[12:09] <treke> kde has a lower priority than gnome
[12:10] <treke> so gnome will always win out
[12:10] <treke> unless you specify something different
[12:12] <hunger> How do I find out whether a deb is "ubuntu" or "universe"?
[12:17] <hunger> Bugreporting is much nicer in debian!
[12:18] <hunger> I can not even register with the bugtrackers of ubuntu
[12:21] <LeeJunFan> hunger, I never had any problems with bugtraq, but it will soon change to another platform that will work better with debians bugs also.
[12:22] <treke> and x-session-manager is being sent to kdm and gdm by /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50xorg-common_determine-startup
[12:22] <treke> completely and utterly useless information, but it would have driven me nuts :)
[12:25] <kay> Hello people
[12:27] <_ReDRuM> treke - lol
[12:27] <_ReDRuM> sorry was afk
[12:27] <_ReDRuM> some things you just have to know :)
[12:27] <_ReDRuM> i was downastairs running strace too :)
[12:28] <_ReDRuM> more noobish questions - how do i tell debian package manager shut up i know best i forced you to remove that package for a reason stop trying to delete the programs you think are broken every time i run deselect?
[12:30] <_ReDRuM> (i want it to stop deleting broken dependencies)
[12:30] <_ReDRuM> not entirely but just the ones from what i force removed just now
[12:31] <_ReDRuM> it doesnt need to remove kdm just cause i removed a theme
[12:32] <uniq> echo package hold|dpkg --set-selections
[12:32] <uniq> to remove.. or go back to normal installed state..
[12:32] <uniq> echo package install|dpkg --set-selections
[12:32] <_ReDRuM> thanks
[12:33] <_ReDRuM> second question - why does X always look crap on LCD screens and how to i fix it?
[12:33] <_ReDRuM> (fonts)
[12:33] <_ReDRuM> ive been playing with sub-pixel hinting but it just making it worse...
[12:34] <uniq> first, if you don't use the native resolution on your lcd screen.. everything will look like crap.
[12:34] <uniq> blured and all.
[12:34] <_ReDRuM> im using what ddcprobe says is native res
[12:35] <_ReDRuM> ] its just the fonts
[12:35] <_ReDRuM> ive only tried two distros with X on that lcd screen - mephis and ubuntu and they both had crappy looking fonts
[12:35] <uniq> hum
[12:36] <uniq> tried changing the font? 
[12:36] <uniq> installing new fonts? 
[12:36] <_ReDRuM> seeing as X looks just fine on my gentoo crt system im thinking its LCD screen
[12:36] <_ReDRuM> i tried in mephis not in ubuntu
[12:36] <uniq> hum. strange.. it looks just fine on my lcd.. 
[12:36] <_ReDRuM> it had the same odd blue blurring on them
[12:36] <treke> I'm guessing that you used the older livecd that didnt have antialiasing turned on
[12:37] <_ReDRuM> its on in kde control center
[12:37] <_ReDRuM> come to mention it i think they look kinda crap in ms windows too though less so maybe its just a crappy display
[12:38] <_ReDRuM> X fonts look better on my gentoo system than on windows so its driving me nuts :)
[12:38] <_ReDRuM> but the gentoo doesnt have LCD
[12:39] <treke> might be doing incorrect sub pixel hinting
[12:39] <treke> click on advanced ont he font module and try the different options or check your monitor's manual
[12:40] <_ReDRuM> hmm... i'll read up next time i'm down the landfill :)
[12:40] <treke> RGB is somewhat common I think, but not universal
[12:40] <_ReDRuM> oddly vertical RGB looked a little better than RGB
[12:41] <_ReDRuM> i preferred it without subpixel hinting on at all
[12:41] <_ReDRuM> so something is definately up
[12:41] <treke> that just boils down to how the monitor was built
[12:42] <_ReDRuM> what its fine that it looked better with no hintng than hinting?
[12:42] <treke> _ReDRuM: if you had the hinting set wrong, then that could be the case
[12:42] <delltony_> ok i have a question maybe this would be pinning not sure. but in any case i don't use the xorg-fglrx-driver i use the offical one from ati. in any event when i do a apt-get upgrade libmessa always wants to install and the only way i can get it to install is to uninstall the ati fglrx and then run upgrade again then reinstall the ati-fglrx driver. is there a way around this? its kinda annoying
[12:42] <treke> and it's partially personal preference
[12:43] <_ReDRuM> i dont know much about fonts but id have thought it was similar to windows "cleartype" which does an ok job on that screen
[12:43] <treke> you might just prefer the fonts a certain way
[12:43] <_ReDRuM> yeh maybe
[12:43] <_ReDRuM> i remember reading long ago about some adobe patents and bytecode
[12:43] <treke> cleartype is basically sub pixel hinting
[12:43] <_ReDRuM> is that all resolved now?
[12:43] <_ReDRuM> apple patents
[12:43] <membreya> does anyone know of an applet to sit in the system tray that shows network activity?
[12:43] <treke> if by resolved you mean the patented version of the hinter is usually disabled :)
[12:44] <_ReDRuM> s/adobe/apple
[12:44] <_ReDRuM> wheres the "screw you apple i prefer oranges" option
[12:45] <treke> it's compile time
[12:46] <_ReDRuM> .... which package?
[12:46] <_ReDRuM> probably turned it on in my gentoo and thats why it looks slick
[12:46] <_ReDRuM> without realising
[12:47] <treke> freetype
[12:47] <_ReDRuM> is it the freetype?
[12:47] <_ReDRuM> k
[12:47] <treke> I think gentoo turns it off by default as well
[12:47] <_ReDRuM> im not a defaults man :)
[12:48] <_ReDRuM> now i have to learn how to make deb packages
[12:48] <_ReDRuM> oh well... almost got rid of you on the desktop gcc :)
[12:49] <_ReDRuM> come to think of it id have to install it for my own programs anyway.
[12:49] <Xeon3D> isn't there a Bluetooth App for KDE?
[12:49] <treke> src_compile() {
[12:49] <treke>     use bindist || append-flags -DTT_CONFIG_OPTION_BYTECODE_INTERPRETER
[12:50] <_ReDRuM> you're a regular fountain of knowledge treke :)
[12:50] <_ReDRuM> thanks for the hint
[12:50] <treke> hehe
[12:50] <treke> had one machine left to convert away from gentoo
[12:51] <treke> was a pain to set up, so I've been hesitant to mess with it
[12:51] <_ReDRuM> another refugee? :)
[12:51] <_ReDRuM> i know the feeling, trust...
[12:51] <_ReDRuM> i had five systems running gentoo
[12:51] <treke> took me about a month to get that working just right
[12:51] <_ReDRuM> three of which were servers
[12:51] <_ReDRuM> now i've got one and its about to get killed
[12:51] <treke> mythtv is not fun to get working :)
[12:52] <_ReDRuM> works good enough for me
[12:52] <treke> it works well
[12:52] <treke> just a pain to get working, at least it was for me
[12:52] <_ReDRuM> install cd
[12:52] <_ReDRuM> treke: it continuously breaks for me
[12:52] <treke> oh?
[12:52] <_ReDRuM> ive submittied like 40 bug reports
[12:53] <treke> I had problems early on until I ended up smoothing it out
[12:53] <treke> now I havent touched the machine in a couple months :p
[12:53] <_ReDRuM> every third time i sync/merge world
[12:53] <_ReDRuM> boom
[12:53] <treke> oh
[12:53] <_ReDRuM> complete breakdown
[12:53] <treke> I never update it
[12:53] <_ReDRuM> lol
[12:53] <_ReDRuM> yeh that'll keep it running smooth :)
[12:53] <treke> last update was in december
[12:54] <_ReDRuM> really?
[12:54] <treke> yes
[12:54] <_ReDRuM> not running awstats are you? :)
[12:54] <treke> nope.
[12:54] <_ReDRuM> heh
[12:54] <treke> feel free to try exploiting something on it
[12:54] <treke> the ip is 192.168.1.21
[12:55] <_ReDRuM> sweet
[12:55] <_ReDRuM> now i will hax0r you AHAha!
[12:55] <_ReDRuM> Comment:    This block is reserved for special purposes <--- who is special purposes? :)
[12:55] <treke> hehe. 
[12:56] <treke> not overly concerned about security on a machine on a private network with no data on it besides a bunch of recorded tv shows and mp3s
[12:56] <_ReDRuM> if its hidden away behind a firewall not too major
[12:57] <_ReDRuM> if not still should be worried tho dont want captain kiddie using it as a digital machine gone
[12:57] <_ReDRuM> *gun
[12:57] <treke> I just don't want to take chances breaking it since I didn't take notes on the set up :p
[12:57] <_ReDRuM> notes ownt help you
[12:57] <_ReDRuM> a step-by-step journal wont help you
[12:58] <treke> so I'd probably just have to rediscover all my little hacks by hand
[12:58] <_ReDRuM> 9/10 if your not a n00b and it broke it was a problem with the ebuild
[12:58] <treke> hehe. the drivers in use are a bit "unstable"
[12:59] <_ReDRuM> the OS is unstable
[01:00] <_ReDRuM> ... and the unstable branch (for me) works better than the stable.
[01:00] <^deamon^> hi rum
[01:00] <_ReDRuM> hi deamon
[01:01] <allee> Xeon3D: kdebluetooth?  Not in official (k)ubuntu repository.   Somewhere metaboy is a privat repo.
[01:01] <_ReDRuM> /etc/init.d/^deamon^ status ?
[01:01] <^deamon^> can someone pls tell me how can i put a graphical feel in grub?
[01:01] <^deamon^> am using kubuntu RC
[01:02] <_ReDRuM> you mean a splash screen? download it and put it in grub.conf
[01:02] <_ReDRuM> or menu.lst
[01:02] <^deamon^> its menu.lst
[01:02] <_ReDRuM> splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz <---- line from my gentoo system to load a splash
[01:02] <^deamon^> how can i do that?
[01:03] <^deamon^> would that be in the beginning of the menu.lst?
[01:03] <_ReDRuM> stick it just above the title line
[01:03] <_ReDRuM> at the beginning should be fine too
[01:03] <^deamon^> tnx a lot...
[01:04] <_ReDRuM> yw
[01:04] <^deamon^> i'll try that one
[01:04] <_ReDRuM> do you know if kubuntu has a framebuffer option?
[01:04] <_ReDRuM> in its stock kernel
[01:04] <^deamon^> nope, am a total newbie in KUBUNTU/LINUX
[01:05] <^deamon^> just move out recently from M$
[01:05] <^deamon^> that evil one.
[01:05] <_ReDRuM> oh right - im not a linux noob, but i am a kubuntu/apt-get n00b so we're on the same boat :)
[01:05] <^deamon^> :)
[01:06] <_ReDRuM> damn straight they're evil, windows update blew up my hd in the middle of the chaltham festival while i was trying to stake 100 on a horse and it won
[01:06] <_ReDRuM> windows got rm -rf for good for that
[01:06] <^deamon^> hehehehe :)
[01:06] <^deamon^> yup i just format that partition with reiserf
[01:07] <_ReDRuM> and i know windows better than i know linux, i know my way around some of the kernel
[01:07] <_ReDRuM> and even i hate it
[01:07] <_ReDRuM> reiser is a good choice
[01:07] <_ReDRuM> fast - doesn't have an immutable flag :/ but if you don't know what that is you won't miss it
[01:08] <^deamon^> :)
[01:09] <_ReDRuM> what a waste of time.
[01:11] <_ReDRuM> error "HAL.DLL" is damaged. "wtf?" *recovery console* *hang* "argh!" *windows pe rescue disk* "wtf... where's hd... no the race is in 10 minutes...."
[01:12] <_ReDRuM> yup. never again.
[01:12] <treke> I suppose it's safe to upgrade my warty machines to hoary now
[01:13] <_ReDRuM> i just did
[01:13] <_ReDRuM> seems fine
[01:13] <_ReDRuM> its only a 4 hour old system but same process :)
[01:13] <treke> it's already partially on hoary
[01:13] <treke> had to upgrade perl to the hoary version
[01:14] <_ReDRuM> i upgraded 800 or so packages, installed 400 new ones, there was two errors in i cant remember what cause whatever they were they still seemed to fucntion ok (i think X and something else)
[01:15] <treke> for some reason distributions never seem to be quite right for me :)
[01:15] <_ReDRuM> fired up everything on the menu, been in console messing with strace, vi etc
[01:15] <treke> warty couldnt handle request tracker 3.2 
[01:16] <_ReDRuM> whats that
[01:16] <treke> http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/
[01:17] <_ReDRuM> bugtrack+++ then
[01:17] <treke> I don't particularly like it, but it's what we're using :(
[01:17] <_ReDRuM> the pretty websites always fool me
[01:17] <^deamon^> its me again
[01:18] <_ReDRuM> and several ebuilds on aprils fools didnt work properly
[01:18] <treke> it's not that it isn't a good piece of software, it is. Just a bit over kill for what it's being used for
[01:18] <^deamon^> _ReDrum: i have added the splashimage in the first line
[01:18] <_ReDRuM> ok sure aprils fools... but imo its inappropriate
[01:18] <^deamon^> but when it boot it shows ascii character not an image
[01:19] <treke> I liked the ubuntu splash screen for april fools day ubuntu made :)
[01:19] <_ReDRuM> ^deamon^: im no splash screen expert - afaik you just put the xpm file into the grub config
[01:19] <_ReDRuM> i dont even know what kind of format xpm is
[01:20] <_ReDRuM> treke: a splash screens one thing ebuilds misbehaving is another
[01:20] <treke> well the misbehaving ebuilds were probably bugs
[01:21] <_ReDRuM> yeh probably
[01:21] <treke> bugs happen every day :)
[01:21] <_ReDRuM> someone said that they did aprils fools ebuilds
[01:21] <_ReDRuM> so i just blamed all the broken things on aprils fools jokes still dilligently filing bug reports and not ready to admit the OS just needs more work
[01:29] <_ReDRuM> hey treke you a vi or emacs man?
[01:29] <treke> vi sometimes
[01:30] <_ReDRuM> http://www.nerdworks.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=26 <--- just found that looks handy
[01:30] <_ReDRuM> - it's for vim but vim's better anyway/
[01:31] <treke> I just use the default vim config, don't use it much for extended work
[01:32] <treke> but that looks similar to my old vimrc
[01:32] <_ReDRuM> what do you use?
[01:33] <treke> kate
[01:33] <_ReDRuM> yeck :)
[01:33] <membreya> anyone else having their Kaffeine constantly crash ?
[01:33] <_ReDRuM> don't you find yourself typing v/^#/d when you want to delete all the comment lines and such? :)
[01:33] <treke> membreya: yeah kaffeine crashes on me often
[01:33] <treke> _ReDRuM: nope
[01:33] <membreya> treke: no I mean it's CONSTANTLY crashing now .. I go to load any video file and it seg faults on me
[01:33] <_ReDRuM> so i guess im stuck :)
[01:34] <treke> I've more or less gotten used to not using vi
[01:34] <_ReDRuM> why would you want to! it's so much easier than going "oh dear... my editor cant do that" *save* *run sed* *reopen*
[01:35] <treke> just don't run into many situations where I'm missing any functionality. The exception being matching on a new line character
[01:36] <treke> that's the only thing I can think of
[01:36] <treke> it does what I need and fits within the environment well
[01:37] <_ReDRuM> sure
[01:37] <membreya> grrrrrrr
[01:37] <membreya> kaffeine: KXineWidget: xine event: channels changed
[01:37] <membreya> KCrash: Application 'kaffeine' crashing...
[01:37] <membreya> in konsole, all I'm getting when it's crashing is "
[01:37] <membreya> see above
[01:37] <membreya> lol
[01:40] <_ReDRuM> how's that kaffeine?
[01:40] <_ReDRuM> apart from crashing that is :0
[01:40] <treke> the ui leaves a bit to be desired
[01:40] <treke> and stability isn't so hot at the moment
[01:40] <treke> but otherwise nice
[01:40] <_ReDRuM> ... so it sucks but its nice? :)
[01:41] <membreya> well unless someone can suggest an alternative player (excepting VLC)
[01:41] <_ReDRuM> mplayer?
[01:41] <treke> well the UI part would be relatively easy to fix
[01:41] <treke> with some thought
[01:42] <_ReDRuM> kaboodle? i use that when emerge world screws up mplayer and vlc
[01:42] <treke> and the stability problems could be coming in through xine
[01:42] <_ReDRuM> bit junky but functional
[01:42] <treke> so for now it rates as ok, but with potential
[01:43] <_ReDRuM> membreya: what you got against vlc bte?
[01:43] <membreya> bad memories of it from windows days
[01:43] <treke> took them forever to release it :)
[01:43] <_ReDRuM> er windows media player classic
[01:43] <membreya> MPC :D
[01:43] <_ReDRuM> yeh
[01:43] <_ReDRuM> that
[01:44] <membreya> mpc 0wns j00
[01:44] <treke> I remember them posting that they had this cool player that could play DVD video in software that they wanted to release as open source
[01:44] <treke> then nothing
[01:44] <_ReDRuM> mplayer is OK its a bit too much like that other ok winodws media player i forget the name of tho
[01:44] <_ReDRuM> what everyone used before mpc
[01:44] <_ReDRuM> (who wasnt using vlc)
[01:45] <_ReDRuM> bsplayer.
[01:45] <_ReDRuM> treke: heh
[01:45] <Gavrila> is there any installer with 2.6.11 kernel? 
[01:46] <_ReDRuM> i was under the impression open source mpeg 2 decoders arent exactly legal
[01:46] <_ReDRuM> being that your supposed to licence it
[01:46] <membreya> VLC it is :|
[01:46] <treke> hrmm never heard of mpeg2 being the legal issue :)
[01:47] <_ReDRuM> Gavrila: make menuconfig ; make install ; make modules_install <--- that will work if you download a source of the kernel i have no clue if theres a kubuntu way to do it
[01:47] <_ReDRuM> oh yeah youd need gcc and all that installed too...
[01:48] <_ReDRuM> ive only got 2.6.10-5 on my synced to hoarty testing pc
[01:48] <membreya> well at least VLC works
[01:48] <membreya> time to kill kaffeine
[01:48] <membreya> and place it's successor in the menu
[01:48] <_ReDRuM> membreya: heh
[01:49] <_ReDRuM> know how to make vlc automatically get rid of the black borders?
[01:50] <_ReDRuM> i made a half-assed perl script to do it but there should be an option somewhere
[01:50] <Gavrila> _ReDRuM: I was talking about an installer
[01:50] <Gavrila> I need to make it recognize my eth card
[01:50] <_ReDRuM> Gavrila: ... make install to me is an installer :)
[01:50] <_ReDRuM> lspci ?
[01:50] <Gavrila> lol
[01:51] <Gavrila> I meanta kubuntu/ubuntu/debian installer
[01:51] <_ReDRuM> what card you got?
[01:51] <Gavrila> ali M5263
[01:52] <membreya> wtf is with VLCs "fullscreen"
[01:52] <_ReDRuM> Gavrila: and theres no module for it in 2.6.10-5?
[01:52] <_ReDRuM> membreya: eh?
[01:52] <Gavrila> it uses tulip module, but it's support has been included in 2.6.11
[01:52] <Gavrila> its*
[01:52] <membreya> _ReDRuM: it keeps the menu along the top
[01:52] <membreya> gah
[01:53] <_ReDRuM> anyone know if module versioning is compiled in the ubuntu kernels?
[01:53] <_ReDRuM> if so ill just build u the module...
[01:53] <_ReDRuM> membreya: hmm... mine doesnt... sec
[01:56] <_ReDRuM> system("vlc --fullscreen --aspect=$ratio $ARGV[0] "); <---- line from the perl script i use to run vlc
[01:56] <_ReDRuM> doesnt look any different though :/
[01:56] <_ReDRuM> must be a problem with the ubuntu build of vlc
[01:57] <_ReDRuM> membreya: ... just to check you are enabling full screen by pressing the f key right?
[01:58] <membreya> yup
[01:58] <membreya> it has the bar along the top
[01:58] <_ReDRuM> file a bug report then id say
[01:58] <membreya> really f@#ed
[01:58] <_ReDRuM> cause it shouldnt have
[01:58] <_ReDRuM> try mplayer :0
[01:59] <membreya> never! :P
[01:59] <_ReDRuM> Gavrila: i can just build you the module from 2.6.11 and see if insmod likes it?
[02:01] <_ReDRuM> up to you
[02:02] <_ReDRuM> membreya: file a bug report too cause im gunna be put out if vlc has menu bars
[02:03] <_ReDRuM> or wait until i install kubuntu tomorrow and if it does there will be an "unoffical redrum vlc build" later in the day
[02:05] <_ReDRuM> btw... why cant i assoicate a perl script with konquerer to run an avi, it runs it but the avi script sits in a spinning window
[02:05] <_ReDRuM> instead of launching system and vlc like it does from console
[02:06] <membreya> _ReDRuM: kubuntu is 2 days isnt it?
[02:06] <_ReDRuM> membreya: not sure, know its close
[02:07] <Gavrila> _ReDRuM: I'll let u know
[02:07] <Gavrila> _ReDRuM: tnx in the meanwhile :)
[02:07] <_ReDRuM> Gavrila: let me know what?
[02:07] <membreya> _ReDRuM: are you launching it from the menu?
[02:07] <_ReDRuM> membreya: no i just right clicked and said "always run with..." and typed the path to my avi script
[02:08] <membreya> oooh :|
[02:08] <Gavrila> _ReDRuM: if I need the module :)
[02:08] <_ReDRuM> so mostly i hit F4 and type avi bla"TAB KEY"
[02:08] <_ReDRuM> Gavrila: ok
[02:09] <_ReDRuM> cant be too much longer tho im going to sleep very soon ive given up on waiting for this episode of alias
[02:09] <membreya> gah...alias
[02:09] <membreya> LOST all the way baby!
[02:09] <Gavrila> won't u be here tomorrow?
[02:09] <_ReDRuM> dont usually watch alias just cant think of anything better to get since ive seen all my series
[02:09] <_ReDRuM> and your the second person to say lost in two days so ill have to check that out
[02:10] <membreya> _ReDRuM: ....very awesome series..actually makes you think :)
[02:10] <_ReDRuM> Gavrila: maybe, not as much procrastinating on irc is depleting my bank palance
[02:10] <membreya> lost and scrubs..my two must have series :)
[02:11] <_ReDRuM> have you checked out deadwood?
[02:12] <membreya> nope
[02:12] <_ReDRuM> doesnt seem as popular in IT circles as lost at all but it's good...
[02:12] <membreya> sounds like a western :P
[02:12] <_ReDRuM> oh it is...
[02:12] <_ReDRuM> a very different western.
[02:12] <_ReDRuM> http://www.tvtome.com/Deadwood/
[02:12] <membreya> i was pissed off with not getting my videos to play because I need to watch my Dead Like Me :P
[02:13] <_ReDRuM> ocated in the Black Hills Indian Cession, the "town" of Deadwood is an illegal settlement, a violent and uncivilized outpost that attracts a colorful array of characters looking to get rich ? from outlaws and entrepreneurs to ex-soldiers and racketeers, Chinese laborers, prostitutes, city dudes and gunfighters.
[02:13] <_ReDRuM> mostly - its about the city dudes and whores
[02:14] <_ReDRuM> gore, whores, all that good stuff someone with a nick like redrum was bound to like.
[02:14] <membreya> sounds...odd :| I love lost for the fact that between each episode getting released you develop theories
[02:14] <membreya> first tv series to actually make me think about things since Twin Peaks :)
[02:15] <_ReDRuM> deadwood isnt like that too much - its just good
[02:18] <uniq> gnite guys.. 
[02:18] <_ReDRuM> nite
[02:21] <_ReDRuM> xen is the best thing ever :
[02:21] <_P_> there is  someone having crash closing kaffine?
[02:21] <_ReDRuM> too much fun having your own little army of distros on one pc
[02:21] <_P_> is there?
[02:21] <_ReDRuM> membreya was
[02:22] <_P_> *kaffeine
[02:22] <_ReDRuM> _p_ membreya was
[02:22] <membreya> ahuh
[02:22] <membreya> so screw it
[02:22] <membreya> VLC baby YEAH!
[02:25] <membreya> yay...2 ep's of scrubs...1 hour to go
[02:27] <_ReDRuM> membreya: ... and if my vlc also exhibits stupid menu bar problems you can expect a fixed version in short order :0
[02:31] <_ReDRuM> ill add a "remove stupid black borders" feature too if your like me and prefer a movie without any black borders to one with correct aspect
[02:31] <_ReDRuM> cause i use a perl script to do it which is way too hakkish
[02:32] <_ReDRuM> any nite folks... and ubuntu :)
[02:32] <Gavrila> nite
[02:32] <Gavrila> :)
[02:41] <pussfeller> how do you let a second user do sudo?
[02:41] <Riddell> pussfeller: put them in the admin group
[02:42] <pussfeller> k thanks
[02:46] <narg> So, on a debian box atm, and I'm going to install kubuntu, but I decided a fresh install would be best. Is it easy to nuke main part, but leave data and windows part on the installer?
[02:48] <Blissex> narg: you can install to just a root partition.
[02:48] <narg> ok, sounds good.
[02:49] <narg> Is there an option on install to keep classic root setup? (I dislike sudo :p)
[02:51] <regeya_> sudo passwd root
[02:51] <regeya_> s'all you need to do
[02:51] <narg> ok, thanks. :)
[03:11] <regeya_> np
[03:13] <narg> heh
[03:23] <cartel_> query
[03:25] <cartel_> where is kio_svn for kubuntu?
[04:28] <_antonio> could i use gtk themes on kubuntu?
[04:46] <jagercola> Hey guys, I've been having a hard time installing KDE themes on Kununtu.  I do the ole ./configer, make, make install, but the themes never show up under my control console,  You guys use any special commands?
[04:47] <jagercola> ./configer = /configure
[04:55] <jagercola> Oh, and for those of you that contribute to the distro, keep up the great work!  
[05:07] <verden01> HI
[05:10] <moominski> jagercola>  id o m8 terrible times
[05:14] <jagercola> id o m8?
[05:14] <moominski> can get my head rounfd it
[05:14] <moominski> cant
[05:15] <moominski> ./configure this never works for me
[05:15] <moominski> ./configore: command not found
[05:16] <jagercola> haha... ya.. I meant configure 
[05:16] <moominski> yeah me 2
[05:17] <moominski> im tryin to install winamp
[05:17] <moominski> but no luck
[05:18] <jagercola> Ya, I've compiled and installed a toolbar and a few small things and they worked... so ,/configure can work :) just not on themes for me
[05:18] <moominski> does sh filename work
[05:19] <jagercola> Not sure what sh does (I'm new to linux)
[05:19] <moominski> can amy1 help me install winamp
[05:19] <moominski> me 2
[05:19] <delltony_> why not use xmms ?
[05:19] <wirevox> winamp is a no go. XMMS is very much similar to winamp
[05:20] <cartel_> moominski: check out amarok
[05:20] <moominski> yeah but it wud be nice to no how to inatll sofware i download
[05:20] <cartel_> moominski: winamp is a windows program. hence WINamp.
[05:20] <moominski> amarok crashes on all the time dont no how t fix it
[05:21] <cartel_> moominski: try juk, noatun, and xmms - see which one you like best.
[05:21] <moominski> ok can i apt-get those
[05:21] <delltony_> they have a rpm it seems
[05:21] <wirevox> moominski: kpackage is a great place to start for folks new to Linux and need to get a feel of what is easily available for them to install
[05:21] <cartel_> yup
[05:21] <moominski> ok
[05:21] <delltony_> gonna see if i can alien it
[05:21] <cartel_> you might like to try noatun and xmms. they both support winamp 2.2 themes.
[05:23] <jagercola> Cartel of delltony, does the standard ./configure, make, make install commands work for installing themes for you guys, or do you modify them for kubuntu?  also, any special libraries to download for compiling themes?
[05:23] <moominski> could u help me fix amarok
[05:24] <moominski> Connecting/starting aRts soundserver failed. Make sure that artsd is configured properly.
[05:24] <moominski> wots this
[05:25] <cartel_> anyone use citrix ica?
[05:26] <cartel_> moominski: your sound is having issues
[05:37] <regeya> gtk-qt is freakish.  firefox looks almost like a kde app.
[05:43] <cartel_> regeya: hack in kio support!
[05:48] <regeya> heh
[05:48] <regeya> don't I wish
[05:49] <verden01> Hi i'd like to know how to download kubuntu using bittorrent?
[05:50] <closure> wooo abusing computer fun
[06:36] <TechLord> anyone here?
[06:43] <hay> nah
[07:48] <delltony> whats going on guys and gals (if any present)
[07:49] <closure> i <3 dork chicks
[07:49] <closure> lol
[07:51] <ztonzy> morning, drinking coffee :)
[07:52] <delltony> morning trying to sleep haha
[07:52] <ztonzy> aah
[07:52] <ztonzy> it is 07:52 here
[07:52] <delltony> only 2am here
[07:53] <ztonzy> always ?
[07:53] <HillTop> Anyone know if kubuntu will ship with ubuntu in the mailing distro? Warty had two CDs - live and install. Is hoary going to be liove/install on each CD? Thanks.
[07:55] <delltony> kubuntu will not be shipped from what i have seen
[07:59] <HillTop> delltony	Thanks - I assume I'll just down load that one. :)  I ordered a bunch for giving out so those willl be Ubuntu.  I have only a few left - they were pretty popular. :0
[08:00] <delltony> you got the hoary disk already?
[08:01] <delltony> or you talking about warty?
[08:01] <delltony> yeah i ordered about 20 of the hoary gold cds can't wait
[08:02] <da_bon_bon> delltony: whats hoary "gold" ?!?!
[08:03] <delltony> the cd is gold
[08:03] <delltony> i thought anyway
[08:03] <da_bon_bon> delltony: :P is it dome different kindova cd than u usualy order at the shipit site ?
[08:04] <HillTop> delltony	I have last week's - I'm thinking about the final ones. 
[08:04] <cartel_> da_bon_bon: gold usually means release date
[08:04] <danko123456> Hey, whats so good about KDE?
[08:04] <cartel_> or 'final'
[08:04] <cartel_> danko123456: its not gnome
[08:04] <cartel_> :)
[08:05] <danko123456> I mean, I saw it...but its not really pretty...
[08:05] <cartel_> danko123456: then use gnome.
[08:05] <danko123456> Its very mechanic looking..
[08:05] <da_bon_bon> danko123456: much prettier than gnome
[08:05] <da_bon_bon> cartel_: ok
[08:05] <delltony> thats what i ment by gold 
[08:05] <cartel_> danko123456: german precision engineering
[08:05] <danko123456> No, I want to know, I mean...Ill use gnome, yes...but I want to hear why anyone would use KDE...
[08:05] <cartel_> danko123456: i think its much nicer than gnome
[08:05] <cartel_> danko123456: because we like it
[08:05] <danko123456> ANd why is it good, and needed.
[08:05] <danko123456> Just the look?
[08:06] <da_bon_bon> yes
[08:06] <da_bon_bon> and the apps.
[08:06] <da_bon_bon> they are GREAT
[08:06] <cartel_> feel interoperability network integration functionality
[08:06] <danko123456> Ok...
[08:06] <cartel_> kde is the alpha and omega of development environments :)
[08:06] <danko123456> Ill have to look into those 5...
[08:06] <danko123456> :)
[08:06] <danko123456> Right, that sounds right.
[08:06] <danko123456> the last sentence
[08:06] <danko123456> ok, let me ask you one more..
[08:06] <cartel_> danko123456: kdevelop > *
[08:06] <delltony> HillTop, yeah i have converted about 10 folks to ubuntu
[08:06] <delltony> so i think i'm doing pretty good
[08:07] <delltony> see here is the catch
[08:07] <delltony> i got tired of them calling me on the phone asking me how to remove viruses and trojans and all the other crap that comes as a added bonus of running winblows
[08:07] <HillTop> delltony	Yea, I gave about 15 Warty out so far. And a few for the MAC.
[08:07] <danko123456> ANyhow, is it that ppl that like the KDE look are kind of WIndows nostalgics?
[08:07] <cartel_> danko123456: no way
[08:07] <danko123456> No, eh?
[08:07] <delltony> so i got sick of it and told them either install linux or delete my number out of your phone book
[08:07] <delltony> :)
[08:07] <danko123456> Ok, that one gave me away as being canadian"_
[08:08] <cartel_> danko123456: kde can look like mac, windows, amiga...
[08:08] <danko123456> I guess..
[08:08] <da_bon_bon> danko123456: lipstik rocks!
[08:08] <danko123456> Ok, I guess Ill have to use it for a while to see whats so cool about it...
[08:08] <HillTop> delltony	One guy gave his copy away and I had to replace it. :)
[08:08] <cartel_> danko123456: a lot of people have it set up like mac
[08:09] <danko123456> I mean...the Koffice does not look a lot like it should, by my standards...
[08:09] <delltony> i mean i still use windows for some things but its only in a vm
[08:09] <cartel_> delltony: but then dont you have people ringing you up asking why they cant install kazaa?
[08:09] <da_bon_bon> delltony: vmware ?
[08:09] <delltony> i only have to use windows for my garmin 2620
[08:09] <delltony> yeah 
[08:09] <cartel_> delltony: get a zaurus :)
[08:09] <da_bon_bon> why not qemu ?
[08:09] <delltony> i have used qemu
[08:09] <da_bon_bon> ans whats a garmin 2620 ?
[08:09] <delltony> a gps
[08:10] <cartel_> a phone i think ?
[08:10] <danko123456> Some device, I bet,
[08:10] <delltony> global position sat
[08:10] <cartel_> ahhh
[08:10] <danko123456> no, its a pet...
[08:10] <cartel_> delltony: you can get linux compatible gps
[08:10] <danko123456> ok, later, KDEists...
[08:10] <delltony> you give me another 2 grand to buy it
[08:10] <danko123456> :))
[08:10] <danko123456> Bye.
[08:10] <delltony> and ill listen
[08:10] <delltony> :)
[08:10] <cartel_> is it actually a sat or a unit :)
[08:10] <delltony> yeah i carry a sat in my pocket
[08:10] <delltony> ;)
[08:11] <cartel_> do you carry a sun too
[08:11] <cartel_> hehehe
[08:11] <delltony> got solar panels on my ass
[08:11] <delltony> well lets see
[08:11] <delltony> i'm a field service tech for the newspaper presses in the us
[08:11] <delltony> and i don't have time to find a street at the neighborhood bar
[08:12] <da_bon_bon> ohok
[08:12] <delltony> when a press has to be up in so many hours
[08:12] <delltony> i'm like mighty mouse
[08:12] <delltony> here i come to save the day
[08:12] <delltony> and trust me its hell
[08:12] <delltony> cause its time critical
[08:13] <cartel_> press?
[08:13] <cartel_> oh
[08:13] <cartel_> hahaha
[08:13] <delltony> plus gps's are cool. tells you all the strip joints in the area
[08:13] <cartel_> cool :)
[08:13] <cartel_> really
[08:13] <delltony> yeah everything
[08:13] <delltony> food by category
[08:13] <delltony> strip joints, atms you name it
[08:13] <delltony> they are nice
[08:14] <delltony> they actually have portable debit card machines man
[08:14] <cartel_> streetwalkers???
[08:14] <delltony> yep
[08:14] <delltony> i'm dead serious
[08:14] <cartel_> here the streetwalkers are all the dirty ones that arent good enough to work in a brothel
[08:14] <delltony> well here its illegal
[08:14] <cartel_> ya thats the difference
[08:14] <cartel_> its legal here...
[08:14] <delltony> but coworker called an escort as they call them here
[08:15] <delltony> and she honestly had a portable credit card machine in her purse
[08:15] <cartel_> did you hear about the social security in germany that revoked a womans payments because she refused a job at a brothel??? 
[08:15] <cartel_> escort isnt usually a streetwalker
[08:15] <delltony> actually it is here
[08:15] <cartel_> cellphone?
[08:15] <delltony> cellphone?
[08:15] <delltony> and i'm saying streetwalker as hooker
[08:15] <cartel_> coworker called her on a cellphone?
[08:16] <delltony> no he called her from the hotel room
[08:16] <cartel_> they're all hookers man
[08:16] <delltony> found her cell number online and called the escort service
[08:16] <cartel_> hehehe
[08:16] <delltony> she called back and came to his room and stuff
[08:16] <cartel_> did he get his moneys worth
[08:16] <delltony> no man get this 
[08:16] <delltony> and if i need to change subject i will just let me know guys
[08:16] <cartel_> lol
[08:17] <delltony> but i figure its late so its no big deal
[08:17] <delltony> but nah he wanted it by hand, she wanted 300 bucks 
[08:17] <cartel_> wtf!!!!!!!
[08:17] <delltony> this dude actually paid her believe it or not
[08:17] <delltony> and get this
[08:17] <cartel_> she couldnt get him off?
[08:18] <delltony> she puts on playtex gloves
[08:18] <delltony> like those kitchen sink gloves
[08:18] <delltony> and does it
[08:18] <cartel_> hahahaha
[08:18] <delltony> i laughed like hell
[08:18] <cartel_> well how is she to know if he has herpes or what...
[08:18] <delltony> i agree
[08:18] <delltony> but 300 bucks, i told him hell id do it for 300 bucs
[08:18] <cartel_> i wonder how much for the head job...
[08:18] <delltony> with or without teeth?
[08:19] <cartel_> yeah man 300 bucks is a rip for that, i fucked a girl in the ass after i bought her a 100 dollar doll
[08:19] <cartel_> hahahahahahhaa
[08:19] <cartel_> she didnt have a mobile debit machine tho
[08:19] <delltony> well i can't speak for everyone else but i know for a fact I WILL NEVER PAY FOR IT
[08:20] <cartel_> i guess thats the difference
[08:20] <delltony> when i can go to any local bar and buy a girl a few drinks
[08:20] <delltony> and get whatever i want 
[08:20] <delltony> if im desperate
[08:20] <cartel_> is it kramer that said there are two things i will never pay for parking and sex
[08:20] <delltony> i think so
[08:20] <delltony> i mean technically you pay for it
[08:20] <delltony> but i don't pay for it directly
[08:21] <cartel_> unless its a one night stand
[08:21] <cartel_> then you dont really pay for it
[08:21] <delltony> man i don't pay for jack on a one nighter
[08:21] <delltony> most of the time i don't even know their last name
[08:21] <cartel_> i dont even know their first name
[08:21] <cartel_> lol
[08:22] <delltony> hey a different topic
[08:22] <delltony> what the hell is the world coming to man
[08:22] <delltony> a blind guy graduated med school
[08:22] <delltony> as a surgion
[08:22] <cartel_> i know man the pope is dead!! i mean i thought he was sustained by god!
[08:23] <delltony> no man i'm serious this blind dude is performing surgery
[08:23] <cartel_> is that med school in uzbekestan
[08:23] <cartel_> maybe hes a gifted healer
[08:23] <delltony> hang on let me look
[08:24] <delltony> http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/04/02/seeing.no.limits.ap/index.html
[08:24] <cartel_> hopefully he wont be performing vasectomies
[08:25] <delltony> man talk about "chopped liver"
[08:27] <gsuveg> anyone know a blog poster app for kde ?
[08:28] <delltony> i don't know of a poster but i know of i think its kticker that will read the blog
[08:28] <cartel_> gsuveg: kluje, klapjack
[08:28] <gsuveg> cartel_: thanks
[08:28] <cartel_> delltony: akregator too
[08:28] <delltony> yeah
[08:29] <cartel_> gsuveg: they are for livejournal which is what i use
[08:32] <teardrop> what was that usplash thing that was being talked about a minute ago
[08:50] <gsuveg> cartel_: thanks
[08:51] <gsuveg> cartel_: gimme me url, i dont find it
[08:56] <cartel_> http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/search.pl?query=kluje
[08:58] <gsuveg> cartel_: thanks
[09:05] <da_bon_bon> in a lens cleaner cd, where should the cleaning brush be located, ideally ?
[09:09] <pussfeller> wap keeps needing to be reassociated after awhile
[09:18] <verden01> Hi
[10:29] <Gavrila> hi there, is there a way to start the net configurator tool post installation?
[10:30] <Gavrila> at install time I hadn't the right kernel,and my eth wasn't recognized. Now I've set it up correctly, but I'd like to use the installer  net script to configure it rather doing by myself
[10:35] <Gavrila> please anyone?
[10:38] <xamdm> whats with the configuration in kcontrol ??
[10:39] <xamdm> otherwise install gnome-system-tools and use network-admin
[10:46] <Gavrila> I want to use the installation script
[10:47] <Gavrila> but I can't find it xamdm :(
[10:47] <xamdm> why ??, the other tools make the same
[10:48] <xamdm> jou can also edit /etc/network/interfaces
[10:50] <Gavrila> xamdm: hehe yeah I know but I was curious on how to use install scripts
[10:50] <Gavrila> post installation of course
[10:51] <xamdm> ask in #ubuntu
[12:31] <mz2> how do i make qt apps able to use lipstik/plastik theme? it's in the theme list in qtconfig on my desktop computer but not on my laptop
[01:14] <carambol> is smart package manager useable in ubuntu?
[01:15] <carambol> it is in hoary-universe
[01:25] <carambol> hi
[01:34] <_ReDRuM_> just installed kubuntu on my main machine :)
[01:35] <_ReDRuM_> wheres the screen res tool
[01:38] <incubii> goto control center->peripherals->display
[01:39] <_ReDRuM_> ahh :)
[01:39] <_ReDRuM_> thanks
[01:40] <_ReDRuM_> and ... whats the name of the package with all the KDE application manuals in?
[01:40] <incubii> im on 60hz now
[01:41] <incubii> but its an LCD
[01:41] <_ReDRuM_> yeh they're completely different
[01:41] <_ReDRuM_> i scan see 60mhz crts scanning
[01:41] <incubii> Help in the KMenu should be the applicaton manuals
[01:41] <_ReDRuM_> makes my head hurt like nothing else
[01:41] <incubii> i use 120hz on CRTs
[01:41] <incubii> i cant look at 100hz
[01:41] <incubii> lol
[01:42] <_ReDRuM_> mad
[01:42] <_ReDRuM_> i tend to find multiples of 25 above 50 look ok
[01:42] <_ReDRuM_> prefer looking at 75 to 85
[01:42] <incubii> yeah i wont go below 85
[01:42] <incubii> i forced work to purchase high refresh monitors
[01:42] <incubii> said it was an OH&S issue
[01:42] <incubii> ;)
[01:42] <_ReDRuM_> hehe
[01:42] <incubii> now i just finished setting up 30" LCDs on PCs
[01:43] <incubii> mm
[01:43] <_ReDRuM_> slick
[01:43] <_ReDRuM_> the manuals are missing
[01:43] <_ReDRuM_> "this manual is not installed"
[01:43] <incubii> load a terminal up
[01:43] <_ReDRuM_> yup
[01:43] <incubii> first make sure you have the lastest update list
[01:43] <incubii> apt-get update
[01:43] <incubii> then do a search
[01:44] <incubii> apt-cache search KDE
[01:44] <incubii> or maybe manual
[01:44] <incubii> that will list the package names
[01:44] <incubii> then apt-get install <packagename>
[01:44] <incubii> :)
[01:44] <incubii> of course if you already know how to do this i wasted my time
[01:44] <incubii> lol
[01:44] <_ReDRuM_> naw i don't know nothing about debians package manage
[01:44] <_ReDRuM_> your breath is well spent :)
[01:45] <_ReDRuM_> even virtual breath
[01:45] <incubii> heh
[01:45] <_ReDRuM_> which is sweet since i cant smell what you had for lunch
[01:45] <incubii> you might be wise to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and enable the other respoitories
[01:46] <_ReDRuM_> i might well do theres no manuals package :/
[01:46] <_ReDRuM_> bit of an oversite...
[01:46] <_ReDRuM_> is this universe scarey and bad or is it just fine?
[01:46] <_ReDRuM_> non-source is making me nervous but it had to be done
[01:46] <incubii> and any line you see universe in, add multiverse after it
[01:46] <incubii> universe is fine
[01:47] <incubii> multiverse has mplayer and things like that
[01:47] <_ReDRuM_> multiverse is use contrib?
[01:47] <incubii> im not sure
[01:47] <incubii> it just has everything universe doesnt
[01:47] <_ReDRuM_> hehe ok
[01:47] <incubii> which isnt that much
[01:48] <_ReDRuM_> does it have a bytecode enabled freetype or will i have to make that ? :)
[01:48] <incubii> im thinking the make option
[01:48] <_ReDRuM_> whats the debian package tool command to list things that depend on a package?
[01:49] <_ReDRuM_> ooooh im going to love this distro
[01:49] <incubii> lol i honestly dont know, ive never needed to do that
[01:49] <_ReDRuM_> ive got a working KDE in 40 mins not 4 days like my gentoo
[01:50] <incubii> i just do apt-get package and it does the rest
[01:50] <_ReDRuM_> eh no worries ill read the manpage
[01:50] <incubii> well apt-get install package
[01:50] <incubii> lol
[01:50] <_ReDRuM_> got to have my smooth fonts :)
[01:51] <incubii> u can enable AA in control center
[01:52] <_ReDRuM_> yeh thats not what i want, i want the patended adobe bytecodes routines
[01:53] <_ReDRuM_> s/adobe/apple/
[01:53] <incubii> im not aware of this
[01:53] <incubii> how much improvement over AA is it
[01:53] <_ReDRuM_> er... well... when i installed a system with it on i was like "wow... best looking fonts i ever saw"
[01:53] <incubii> oh if u like GUI packagee management may i suggest installing Synaptic
[01:54] <_ReDRuM_> and installing one without was a bit like "ugh... almost as good as ms windows"
[01:54] <incubii> yeah
[01:54] <_ReDRuM_> i swore id do proper work today not screw around with this stuff :)
[01:54] <_ReDRuM_> oh well
[01:55] <_ReDRuM_> synaptic > kynaptic?
[01:55] <incubii> yes
[01:55] <incubii> kynaptic is newer then synaptic
[01:55] <incubii> so it has a bit to catch up
[01:55] <incubii> though im sure thattl be over by KDE 3.5
[01:55] <incubii> lol
[01:55] <_ReDRuM_> ill leave it there and check on it from time to time then
[01:56] <incubii> synaptic actually shows the description
[01:56] <incubii> !
[01:56] <_ReDRuM_> omg im loving these installs :)
[01:56] <_ReDRuM_> kynaptic does if you hover the mouse over it
[01:56] <_ReDRuM_> but i didnt like the UI so im glad you said that
[01:56] <apokryphos> KPackage is a good option to go for at the mo
[01:56] <incubii> kompose is  agood packages if you like some of OS X Expose features
[01:56] <_ReDRuM_> root@delta:~# apt-get install kompose
[01:57] <_ReDRuM_> dont know but OS X is cool :)
[01:57] <Pointwood> where do I configure kompose?
[01:57] <incubii> i beleive its shortcut key is alt+tab
[01:57] <apokryphos> Once you have it installed, right-click the tray icon
[01:57] <incubii> you have to go click on it from the kmenu as it doesnt start up after install
[01:58] <_ReDRuM_> qt-gtk even
[01:58] <apokryphos> _ReDRuM_: why? KPackage is better :P
[01:58] <_ReDRuM_> i disagree
[01:58] <_ReDRuM_> er wait
[01:58] <_ReDRuM_> kpackage?
[01:58] <apokryphos> yes
[01:58] <Pointwood> hey, it works :)
[01:58] <Pointwood> :)
[01:58] <_ReDRuM_> oh yeh
[01:58] <_ReDRuM_> slick
[01:59] <_ReDRuM_> thanks man :)
[01:59] <incubii> i put kubuntu on my x86 at work tday
[01:59] <incubii> worked like a charm
[01:59] <apokryphos> cool
[01:59] <Pointwood> though I think I need to install the nvidia drivers to make it run better
[01:59] <_ReDRuM_> ... gripe one kpackage needs a right click menu
[01:59] <incubii> i have no use for it but thats not the point
[01:59] <incubii> lol
[02:00] <_ReDRuM_> anyone know a good "how to make deb package howto?" or shall i JFGI ?
[02:00] <apokryphos> _ReDRuM_: that's only the remenants of synaptic in you; you'll get used to it ;-)
[02:00] <apokryphos> http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-start.en.html
[02:00] <_ReDRuM_> thanks
[02:00] <apokryphos> np
[02:01] <incubii> man amarok is a nice media player
[02:01] <incubii> works so nicely with my ipod
[02:01] <incubii> except for the fact i had ID3 tags
[02:01] <incubii> :D
[02:01] <incubii> hate*
[02:01] <_ReDRuM_> is that a bad idea?
[02:02] <_ReDRuM_> from the kpackage
[02:02] <_ReDRuM_> ive only just installed this seems a bit odd it has 211mb of packages
[02:02] <_ReDRuM_> (to upgrade)
[02:02] <incubii> yeah thats about right
[02:02] <_ReDRuM_> blimey
[02:02] <incubii> its still only RC
[02:02] <_ReDRuM_> ok
[02:03] <Jefis> How to make konqueror to remember that Menubar is hidden, if i press CTRL+M and close konqueror it doesn't remmeber
[02:03] <apokryphos> Jefis: did you try what I said?
[02:03] <_ReDRuM_> btw - LVM on installer didnt work properly creating LV's - i think its cause i was using dumb label names like /usr instead of usr but when i did that with the warty installer it fixed it for me
[02:03] <incubii> because you have to save the profile
[02:04] <incubii> which you cant do without the menu bar
[02:04] <incubii> :)
[02:04] <Jefis> hold on, apokryphos i try keyboard shortcut :)
[02:05] <apokryphos> Hmm, actually I think the proper way to do it is different; hold on, I'll play around
[02:05] <Jefis> yeeeeee
[02:05] <Jefis> works :)
[02:06] <_ReDRuM_> ... n00b question alert :) how can i make konversation open urls in firefox not konqurer
[02:06] <_ReDRuM_> oops :)
[02:06] <incubii> lol
[02:06] <_ReDRuM_> just assumed...
[02:06] <apokryphos> Jefis: Cool :), found another way to do it too. What did you use? Special Window settings?
[02:07] <_ReDRuM_> konquerer is OK and all but it's the IE of KDE
[02:07] <Jefis> what?
[02:07] <apokryphos> That only sounds negative in theory
[02:07] <apokryphos> it's not, in fact, at all
[02:07] <apokryphos> (coupling anything with IE makes it sound bad :P)
[02:07] <incubii> actually i find it better then firefox
[02:07] <apokryphos> same
[02:07] <incubii> specially with all the custom web shortcuts i have
[02:07] <Jefis> ie sucks
[02:08] <apokryphos> :-O
[02:08] <Jefis> opera is faster :)
[02:08] <Jefis> looks great :)
[02:08] <Jefis> allmost free
[02:08] <_ReDRuM_> yeh it doesnt support xml tho
[02:08] <Pointwood> as a newbie too, I must say that I much prefer konqy to nautilus
[02:08] <_ReDRuM_> or xslt rather something with those new fangled xml techs it didnt love
[02:09] <incubii> ewww natuilus
[02:09] <apokryphos> Opera has full XML support
[02:09] <incubii> such a memory hog
[02:09] <Pointwood> but I prefer Firefox as a browser
[02:09] <_ReDRuM_> konqy is sweet :) the only gripe i have with it as a file manager is if i type "se" into a window with files called sugar, search and epoch it should hilight serch not sugar then epoch
[02:09] <Jefis> Pointwood, from my side, konqueror is way better than nautilus
[02:10] <Jefis> i used windows for last six years, but i more like linux :)
[02:10] <incubii> i love the VFS support in KDE
[02:10] <_ReDRuM_> fish:// > * :)
[02:10] <incubii> works seamlessly for me
[02:11] <_ReDRuM_> it does need multi-key searches tho on file names
[02:11] <_ReDRuM_> even windows explorer does that
[02:12] <_ReDRuM_> if it did that - wouldn't have a single complaint
[02:12] <Jefis> _ReDRuM_, what's the problem?;)
[02:12] <incubii> i dont understand multi-key search
[02:12] <incubii> even though i probably do it
[02:13] <incubii> though i find 'attrib /s c:\filename' to be much faster then windows own search system
[02:13] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: goto a directory with some stuff in and make two extra files called zero and zambia, type ze into it, should higlight zero not z then something beginning with e
[02:13] <_ReDRuM_> thats what i mean
[02:14] <incubii> oh
[02:14] <incubii> i get you
[02:14] <_ReDRuM_> windows explorer does it even
[02:14] <_ReDRuM_> and in all other respects konquerer trashes that
[02:15] <_ReDRuM_> its a very common thing for me to use unfortunately since total commander xnc, etc do it too and i was a dedicated 2-pane file manager man until i saw konqurer
[02:15] <_ReDRuM_> improves efficiency no end
[02:17] <_ReDRuM_> There is an old Roman saying, Longum iter est per preaecepta, breve et efficax per exempla! (It's a long way by the rules, but short and efficient with examples!). <--- nice touch :) like it.
[02:17] <incubii> yeah i miss that feature to
[02:18] <incubii> but other features outweigh its loss for me
[02:18] <_ReDRuM_> incubbi - likewise but it would be a MAJOR plus and install konquerer as undisputed emperor not just a common king
[02:19] <_ReDRuM_> lets get an open proxy list list and submit a feature request and have a perl script add "me too!" posts to it every half hour :)
[02:20] <incubii> lol
[02:20] <incubii> i can do that with my dialup link :P
[02:21] <_ReDRuM_> sweet
[02:26] <_ReDRuM_> how do i enable cookies in konqurer (cant install firefox cause im updating...)
[02:26] <_ReDRuM_> oh... what timing it just finished :)
[02:27] <incubii> configure konq->cookies
[02:27] <bet0x> hi all 
[02:27] <bet0x> hi crimsun :D
[02:28] <_ReDRuM_> hmm they are enabled
[02:28] <_ReDRuM_> just broken
[02:28] <apokryphos> _ReDRuM_: you'd have to start the kcookiejar daemon (don't remember how to do), or just relogin
[02:28] <_ReDRuM_> "unable to open cookie manager"
[02:28] <_ReDRuM_> oh right :)
[02:28] <apokryphos> Did you just do an upgrade?
[02:28] <_ReDRuM_> root@delta:~# sudo kcookiejar
[02:28] <_ReDRuM_> yup
[02:28] <apokryphos> You should really restart KDE when you upgrade kdebase/libs
[02:29] <_ReDRuM_> yeh i will do soon
[02:29] <_ReDRuM_> shouldnt hurt too much the essential libs should remain on the disk until i exit...
[02:29] <apokryphos> Of course. But for proper use, generally. 
[02:29] <_ReDRuM_> thanks for the tip
[02:29] <_ReDRuM_> ill restart when firefox is on
[02:31] <incubii> heh
[02:33] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hey
[02:33] <apokryphos> hi there :)
[02:33] <apokryphos> ztonzy: how's it going?
[02:33] <ztonzy> eh, fine I guess...allergy times :(  yuck
[02:34] <incubii> wb _ReDRuM_ 
[02:34] <_ReDRuM_> thanks
[02:34] <ztonzy> apokryphos, bought wireless keyboard+mouse yesterday, works fine.... Logitech Cordless Desktop EX-100
[02:34] <apokryphos> ztonzy: what evil allergies are you subject to?
[02:35] <_ReDRuM_> error from firefox on start -> /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html could not be found...
[02:35] <apokryphos> sweet. I've got some cheap brand cordless keyboard + mouse, but it works great. :)
[02:35] <_ReDRuM_> im guessing thats cause ubuntu uses that default page and kubuntu doesnt install it?
[02:36] <_ReDRuM_> omg all the buttons are broken
[02:36] <ztonzy> apokryphos, birch, but also some other that I am just sensitive too, birch hasnt started yet, but another tree called "Al" here in sweden, dunno english name
[02:36] <incubii> firefox is fucked ?
[02:36] <ztonzy> apokryphos, trees
[02:37] <_ReDRuM_> yeh very fcuked, it tries to open that default site that inst there, the import bookmarks box has screwed up buttons and doesnt function..
[02:37] <incubii> seemed alright this morning for me when i did a clean install of kubuntu
[02:37] <apokryphos> ztonzy: ouch. Allergic to nature. ;-)
[02:37] <_ReDRuM_> did you try and import your old bookmarks? :)
[02:37] <ztonzy> apokryphos, heh...
[02:37] <_ReDRuM_> suppose its only a minor screw up
[02:37] <incubii> lol i have no bookmarks
[02:38] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hmm just bought a Sony Ericsson K700i , wondering if a USB/Bluetooth will work with KDE ...do you know ?
[02:38] <apokryphos> ztonzy: there's been some talk about kdebluetooth. Not sure if it's in Universe yet
[02:39] <ztonzy> I have some bluetooth installed
[02:40] <_P_> apokryphos:  i use it  on my office PC 
[02:40] <_P_> it works  with  deb pack
[02:40] <incubii> bbs SG-A
[02:40] <_ReDRuM_> whats the "kubuntu" way to start portmapper/nfs ?
[02:40] <apokryphos> _P_: excellent. What packages do you need? kdebluetooth? Tell ztonzy ;-)
[02:41] <_P_> ah
[02:41] <ztonzy> apokryphos, uh  ??
[02:41] <apokryphos> ztonzy: _P_ here says he has it working on his laptop -- looks like it'll work for you too.
[02:42] <ztonzy> apokryphos, seems it is a GTK based app/s
[02:42] <_P_> ztonzy:  install kdebluetooth
[02:43] <_P_> you  can  fine  the  deb repository on the  main  site
[02:43] <ztonzy> not foubd
[02:43] <ztonzy> found*
[02:43] <_ReDRuM_> anyone know the right way to do this before i just go running the demons by hand and making custom init scripts? :)
[02:44] <_ReDRuM_> n/m someone answered me in ubuntu - sort of
[02:44] <ztonzy> _P_, main site where ?
[02:44] <_P_> i am searchin for it 
[02:44] <ztonzy> ok
[02:44] <_P_> i use  it  at  work  some times  ago
[02:45] <ztonzy> must leave home soon though...
[02:45] <ztonzy> ok
[02:45] <ztonzy> _P_, what do you use with ?
[02:45] <apokryphos> Not sure if motaboy's repository is still running.. it should be
[02:46] <_P_> kdebluetooth 
[02:46] <apokryphos> ztonzy: here's the repository: http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~motaboy/ubuntu/
[02:46] <_P_> with  a  dongle  and nokia  6600
[02:46] <apokryphos> ztonzy: add that to your sources.list
[02:47] <_P_> thanls  apokryphos 
[02:47] <_P_> this ia  a  good news
[02:47] <_P_> something  about kmobiletools?
[02:47] <_P_> :D
[02:47] <_ReDRuM_> apt is fun.
[02:48] <apokryphos> _P_: if there's something you want but not in, add it to the suggested package page. 
[02:48] <ztonzy> damnit
[02:48] <_ReDRuM_> i dont know why i never tried apt before :)
[02:48] <ztonzy> dunno how
[02:48] <ztonzy> stressed
[02:48] <apokryphos> ztonzy: add the line: deb http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~motaboy/ubuntu/ ./          to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:48] <da_bon_bon> hey, i wanna clean my cd rom lens. i removed the dirve out of bay. can someone guide me further, please ?
[02:49] <ztonzy> must gp
[02:49] <ztonzy> go*
[02:49] <ztonzy> later!
[02:49] <apokryphos> see ya
[03:16] <_ReDRuM_> can someone go into a console and type this? (replace USERNAME with your username): echo `egrep '([^:] +:){3}.*,?USERNAME' /etc/group | cut -d\: -f 1`
[03:16] <_ReDRuM_> will give me a list fo the default groups a users supposed to be in for kubuntu
[03:18] <incubii> gave me nothing
[03:18] <_ReDRuM_> did you paste it as is?
[03:18] <incubii> yes
[03:18] <_ReDRuM_> root@delta:~ # echo `egrep '([^:] +:){3}.*,?hal' /etc/group | cut -d\: -f 1`
[03:18] <_ReDRuM_> cdrom floppy plugdev
[03:18] <_ReDRuM_> odd... works for me
[03:18] <apokryphos> adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner shared
[03:18] <_ReDRuM_> apokryphos: thankie
[03:19] <incubii> nup even as root i get nothing
[03:19] <incubii> :D
[03:19] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: oddness... did u use grep instead of egrep or something?
[03:20] <incubii> still nothin
[03:23] <_ReDRuM_> brb relogging
[03:26] <incubii> root adm disk dialout voice cdrom floppy sudo audio dip www-data video plugdev games users lpadmin scanner admin hal slocate
[03:26] <incubii> hmm wonder why it worked in xc hat
[03:28] <_ReDRuM_> ahha :)
[03:28] <incubii> hmm wonder why it worked in xc hat
[03:28] <incubii> root adm disk dialout voice cdrom floppy sudo audio dip www-data video plugdev games users lpadmin scanner admin hal slocate
[03:28] <incubii> there ya go
[03:28] <incubii> ;)
[03:29] <_ReDRuM_> woo
[03:29] <_ReDRuM_> sucessfully imported my old mozilla profile too
[03:29] <_ReDRuM_> the buttons are still screwed but copying my old folder in worked fine
[03:30] <_ReDRuM_> oh :/ lost that URL for the debian make packages howto by rming my user account
[03:30] <_ReDRuM_> anyone still have it or shall i just google? :)
[03:31] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell _ReDRuM_ debhowto
[03:31] <Pyre> _ReDRuM_: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-start.en.html
[03:31] <incubii> http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-start.en.html
[03:31] <_ReDRuM_> apokryphos/pyre - ty :)
[03:31] <incubii> oh you beat me to it
[03:31] <_ReDRuM_> incubii: heh
[03:31] <apokryphos> The power of AI :P
[03:31] <incubii> :P
[03:32] <_ReDRuM_> whats the "apt" way to change default editor to vi?
[03:32] <_ReDRuM_> i got some pico/nano thing when i typed visudo
[03:32] <_ReDRuM_> took me 30 seconds to stop pressing the / and : keys
[03:33] <incubii> lol i dont have permission to visudo
[03:33] <incubii> even though i can sudo
[03:33] <incubii> :D
[03:33] <rickdangerous> _ReDRuM_, set VISUAL variable probably
[03:33] <_ReDRuM_> makes sense cause u need root to edit the file
[03:33] <_ReDRuM_> rickdangerous: theres no "dpkg-configure/apt makemylifeeasier" command?
[03:34] <incubii> man dpkg
[03:34] <incubii> oops
[03:34] <rickdangerous> _ReDRuM_, well
[03:34] <rickdangerous> _ReDRuM_, first try setting VISUAL and see if it works
[03:34] <rickdangerous> VISUAL=/usr/bin/nane visudo
[03:34] <incubii> dpkg --configure package
[03:34] <rickdangerous> s/nane/nano
[03:35] <apokryphos> set the $EDITOR variable
[03:35] <rickdangerous> VISUAL is better
[03:35] <rickdangerous> EDITOR is ed and ex
[03:35] <_ReDRuM_> i mean... wheres the system setting it from, what script and is there a config command to change it?
[03:35] <rickdangerous> but it can be used as a de facto situation
[03:36] <apokryphos> _ReDRuM_: that's what we're saying... those should change the default terminal editor
[03:36] <_ReDRuM_> but the system is setting it to nano somewhere from a script as a default? or does visudo as it compiles now default to using nano?
[03:37] <rickdangerous> _ReDRuM_, update-alternatives --config editor | is what's used in debian but I don't know if it works for ubuntu
[03:37] <apokryphos> setting one of those variables should override it
[03:37] <apokryphos> nano is probably default because it's far more user-friendly/accessible originally
[03:37] <_ReDRuM_> yeh it does but i want to change the config
[03:37] <rickdangerous> _ReDRuM_, but not all programs use that alternatives
[03:38] <_ReDRuM_> apokryphos: yeh i got no beef with distros defaulting to nano, so long as i can change it
[03:38] <_ReDRuM_> rickdangerous: works ... thanks :D
[03:38] <rickdangerous> _ReDRuM_, np. visudo works too?
[03:38] <apokryphos> for reference, it's dpkg-reconfigure ;-)
[03:38] <_ReDRuM_> yup :)
[03:38] <_ReDRuM_> cool
[03:40] <_ReDRuM_> readlink("/etc/alternatives/editor", "/usr/bin/vim", 4095) = 12
[03:41] <_ReDRuM_> debian is almost like a whole new OS...
[03:41] <_ReDRuM_> im going to get lost
[03:41] <rickdangerous> hm
[03:41] <spiral> hi
[03:41] <_ReDRuM_> hi spiral
[03:48] <segfault2k> gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood morning
[03:48] <apokryphos> mornin' :)
[03:49] <_ReDRuM_> rickdangerous: whats the debian command to list a packages reverse dependencies?
[03:49] <_ReDRuM_> if i get too annoying feel free to yell RTFM at me :)
[03:49] <rickdangerous> apt-cache rdepends package ?
[03:49] <_ReDRuM_> thanks
[03:49] <rickdangerous> yeah man apt-cache :)
[03:49] <rickdangerous> np
[03:49] <segfault2k> xD
[03:49] <segfault2k> lol
[03:50] <segfault2k> konversation 0.17 is out! :D
[03:50] <segfault2k> released :D
[03:50] <apokryphos> oh yeah, Thursday
[03:50] <apokryphos> segfault2k: why was there such a quick spurt from 0.16 -> 0.17? When 0.15 was hanging for ages =)
[03:51] <rickdangerous> 0.16 was buggy
[03:51] <rickdangerous> cartman said so at least
[03:51] <segfault2k> 0.17 fix a lots of bugs
[03:51] <segfault2k> look at the new website too
[03:51] <apokryphos> right
[03:51] <segfault2k> made by segfault2k
[03:51] <segfault2k> :P
[03:51] <segfault2k> based on a design of "i dont remember the name"
[03:51] <segfault2k> xD
[03:51] <apokryphos> who's that? ;-)
[03:52] <apokryphos> Wow; much nicer.
[03:52] <apokryphos> got that KDE feel, more, finally. :)
[03:52] <segfault2k> yeah
[03:52] <apokryphos> the .deb out already? nice.
[03:53] <_ReDRuM_> is it me or is rdepends listing a load of packages not directly linked to the program but rather things depending on a package thats linked to it?
[03:53] <rickdangerous> could be, never looked at it carefully
[03:53] <_ReDRuM_> i want to recompile freetype with bytecode in it
[03:54] <rickdangerous> apt-get source freetype
[03:54] <_ReDRuM_> and it just told me the whole of X links to freetype with is unlikley id think it linked to libxft2
[03:54] <_ReDRuM_> heh handy :)
[03:54] <_ReDRuM_> im liking this package manager more every minute
[03:55] <rickdangerous> apt-get build-dep package  is even nicer
[03:55] <_ReDRuM_> example?
[03:55] <rickdangerous> and there's the apt-build for optimization
[03:55] <_ReDRuM_> ... webpage full of one line examples? :P
[03:56] <rickdangerous> I can't say any but google should return one 
[03:56] <rickdangerous> build-dep installs all -dev packages necessay for building the package
[03:56] <rickdangerous> necessary*
[03:56] <Verwilst> when will kubuntu final be out? :)
[03:57] <apokryphos> Tomorrow
[03:58] <Verwilst> w00t
[03:58] <closure> apokryphos, if i distro upgrade
[03:58] <closure> will it be cool?
[03:58] <apokryphos> Sure
[03:58] <_ReDRuM_> oh my god
[03:59] <_ReDRuM_> this rocks :)
[03:59] <rickdangerous> _ReDRuM_, which? :)
[03:59] <_ReDRuM_> apt!
[03:59] <rickdangerous> yes it does.
[03:59] <_ReDRuM_> almost wish i had it installed elsewhere now
[04:01] <rickdangerous> also use emacs as editor:P
[04:01] <_ReDRuM_> no :)
[04:02] <rickdangerous> I want kemacs :)
[04:03] <_ReDRuM_> whats it link with currently to provide its X UI?
[04:03] <rickdangerous> Xlib but  next version will have gtk
[04:03] <_ReDRuM_> when its got gtk u can use qt-gtk to make kemacs :)
[04:03] <rickdangerous> a lpart for it would be nice too
[04:04] <rickdangerous> kaprt*
[04:04] <rickdangerous> argh :)
[04:05] <_ReDRuM_> .. installed with my kubuntu cd a couple of hours ago :)
[04:05] <_ReDRuM_> this is the first time i used it
[04:05] <_ReDRuM_> might replace xchat
[04:06] <apokryphos> not 0.17 though (konversation version, that is)
[04:06] <_ReDRuM_> looks like hoarty turns on bytecode must just be this screen
[04:08] <_ReDRuM_> heh naughty
[04:08] <_ReDRuM_> they turn it on without any of the patent circumvention methods
[04:08] <_ReDRuM_> just directly enable it
[04:09] <rickdangerous> _ReDRuM_, debian x-strike-force turns it on too AFAIK
[04:10] <_ReDRuM_> apple are a bunch of pirates hope they dont notice
[04:11] <_ReDRuM_> we dont all have 27 inch powerhouse displays :)
[04:17] <_ReDRuM_> how do i mark a package in kpackage for installation later?
[04:17] <apokryphos> click on the little circle to the right of it
[04:18] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[04:18] <_ReDRuM_> thanks
[04:18] <_ReDRuM_> i couldnt see the mark column header with these gigantic fonts :)
[04:18] <_ReDRuM_> just half an M
[04:18] <apokryphos> why gigantic fonts? Did you kdesu it?
[04:18] <_ReDRuM_> kduwhat? :P
[04:18] <_ReDRuM_> i turned the res down to something that allowed 75mhz refresh
[04:19] <_ReDRuM_> (1024x768)
[04:19] <apokryphos> did you run it with sudo or something?
[04:19] <_ReDRuM_> yeh
[04:19] <_ReDRuM_> no
[04:19] <_ReDRuM_> i ran it from the menu
[04:19] <apokryphos> ok
[04:23] <_ReDRuM_> muhaha
[04:23] <_ReDRuM_> i will do some proper work soon :)
[04:23] <blacklabel> _ReDRuM_: did u install the Brooklyn Kid font?
[04:25] <Puckaroo> hi can anyone help me please
[04:25] <Puckaroo> i have just installed ubuntu and I'm a bit lost
[04:25] <blacklabel> whats up
[04:26] <Puckaroo> i have gnome and i'm trying to change to kde
[04:26] <Puckaroo> but whn i write
[04:26] <blacklabel> yep
[04:26] <Puckaroo> apt-get install kubuntu
[04:26] <Puckaroo> it says
[04:26] <Puckaroo> that it 
[04:26] <blacklabel> try sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:26] <Puckaroo> couldn't find the package
[04:26] <apokryphos> it's kubuntu-desktop
[04:26] <Puckaroo> yup
[04:27] <Puckaroo> i wrote that
[04:27] <Puckaroo> and still
[04:27] <Puckaroo> it won't work
[04:27] <blacklabel> you've done sudo apt-get update
[04:28] <Puckaroo> ok i hadn't 
[04:28] <Puckaroo> i really new to this
[04:28] <Puckaroo> sorry
[04:28] <_ReDRuM_> Puckaroo: you will also need to click in the bottom left and select KDE from session types on the login manager
[04:28] <apokryphos> no problem at all :). We're here to help.
[04:28] <_ReDRuM_> otherwise it will put you in gnome and you will be like "huh? i didn't order any gnomes..."
[04:28] <Puckaroo> lol
[04:28] <Puckaroo> i did the update thing
[04:29] <blacklabel> now try sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:29] <Puckaroo> and tryed again and still says that it cant find it
[04:29] <apokryphos> Puckaroo: are you on warty?
[04:29] <Puckaroo> mmm what is that?
[04:29] <Puckaroo> i this so
[04:29] <Puckaroo> i says warty
[04:29] <apokryphos> Puckaroo: ok, then you will first have to upgrade to Hoary to get Kubuntu
[04:30] <Puckaroo> in a lot of lines right after i did the update (im a mess )
[04:30] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell Puckaroo ubukde
[04:30] <Pyre> Puckaroo: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[04:30] <Puckaroo> ok 
[04:30] <apokryphos> Puckaroo: don't worry about it; we can talk you through any problems :)
[04:30] <Puckaroo> i'm on my way
[04:30] <apokryphos> (or try to :P)
[04:30] <blacklabel> apokryphos: is Pyre a bot or something
[04:31] <apokryphos> yeah
[04:31] <blacklabel> ok
[04:31] <buz> any xinerama experts around?
[04:32] <buz> i can't get my 1600*1200 lcd to work with 1600*1200 (configured with DPMS), keeps telling me the output from the vga card isnt supported
[04:37] <Puckaroo> ok i'm back
[04:37] <Puckaroo> i'm in hoary now
[04:37] <Puckaroo> did the update
[04:37] <Puckaroo> and the install
[04:37] <Puckaroo> and now it says
[04:37] <apokryphos> Puckaroo: that sure was quick...
[04:37] <Puckaroo> that some packages couldn't be installed
[04:37] <Puckaroo> lol
[04:38] <apokryphos> what ones?
[04:38] <Puckaroo> python-imaging-sane
[04:38] <Puckaroo> python-newt
[04:38] <Puckaroo> and
[04:38] <Puckaroo> python-pyorbit
[04:38] <apokryphos> Try doing sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (I have no idea why that works for me sometimes)
[04:39] <blacklabel> that was a fast upgrade
[04:39] <apokryphos> that python stuff shouldn't have prevented the full upgrade though
[04:39] <apokryphos> blacklabel: too fast 
[04:39] <Puckaroo> no the update didn't give anytrouble
[04:39] <apokryphos> Ok. Have you restarted now into Hoary?
[04:39] <Puckaroo> it said that hen i tryed to install the kubunto again
[04:40] <Puckaroo> ups
[04:40] <Puckaroo> i dond't restart
[04:40] <Puckaroo> i'll be back
[04:40] <apokryphos> I really think you should...
[04:40] <apokryphos> ok
[04:41] <apokryphos> That update took less than 7 minutes. Disturbing. ;-)
[04:42] <blacklabel> did he upgrade from warty to hoary in 7 minutes?
[04:42] <segfault2k> !!
[04:42] <_ReDRuM_> hmm... i installed ms true type fonts and theyre not showing up in the list... whats going on? :)
[04:42] <apokryphos> Allegedly. =)
[04:42] <blacklabel> he must be on T1...or similar 
[04:42] <_ReDRuM_> t1 isnt all that fast
[04:43] <apokryphos> It's more the fact that the actual *installing* too took that long
[04:43] <_ReDRuM_> many broadband connections have faster downstream than t1
[04:43] <blacklabel> yea
[04:43] <_ReDRuM_> yeh he must have the teraflop going on there
[04:43] <blacklabel> could be on a dual 2.5Ghz PowerPc lol
[04:43] <apokryphos> And I thought there was something like a 600 Kb/s limit anyhow, on the servers
[04:44] <blacklabel> yea i thought there'd b a limit
[04:44] <_ReDRuM_> why are fonts always so difficult...
[04:44] <apokryphos> what's the prob? Can't fix from kcontrol?
[04:45] <blacklabel> is kubuntu gonna be out when ubuntu is out?
[04:45] <apokryphos> Yes
[04:45] <blacklabel> ok
[04:46] <_ReDRuM_> yeh
[04:46] <_ReDRuM_> theyre not in kcontrol
[04:46] <_ReDRuM_> all the new fonts i just installed arent there
[04:46] <_ReDRuM_> or at least i know some of them arent cause m$ verdana isnt
[04:46] <Puckaroo> hi again
[04:46] <apokryphos> Oh, I thought you were having problems with sizes... did you install from kcontrol?
[04:46] <apokryphos> hi
[04:46] <_ReDRuM_> no from kpackage
[04:47] <_ReDRuM_> i dont know how to install fonts from kcontrol
[04:47] <apokryphos> hm, they should be in there, I'd presume, then :(
[04:47] <Puckaroo> i've also rebooted and tryed both the update and the install and still the same answer
[04:47] <StR> how do i set the hostname?
[04:47] <apokryphos> Puckaroo: are you definitely on hoary? Can you give me a cat /etc/issue ?
[04:47] <_ReDRuM_> i am having trouble with sizes but bitstream vera suxors and i want different fonts :)
[04:48] <apokryphos> kcontrol > System Administration > Font Installer
[04:48] <_ReDRuM_> its one of the most important thing and always gives me a headache
[04:48] <Puckaroo> ups Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" \n \l that is what it says
[04:48] <apokryphos> though you have to already have the fonts.
[04:48] <apokryphos> Puckaroo: you didn't upgrade properly :)
[04:48] <Puckaroo> but i changed every warty for hoarty
[04:48] <apokryphos> Puckaroo: did you apt-get update?
[04:48] <Puckaroo> yup
[04:48] <apokryphos> hehe
[04:49] <apokryphos> Puckaroo: please www.pastebin.com your /etc/apt/sources.list then
[04:49] <Puckaroo> that's the last line
[04:49] <Puckaroo> Des:7 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Release [95B] 
[04:49] <Puckaroo> Obj http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Sources
[04:49] <Puckaroo> Des:8 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Release [101B] 
[04:49] <Puckaroo> Descargados 812B en 0s (2156B/s)
[04:49] <apokryphos> Des? Obj?
[04:49] <Puckaroo> spanish
[04:49] <Puckaroo> descarga
[04:49] <Puckaroo> objeto i guess
[04:50] <apokryphos> Puckaroo: use the sources.list on that link I gave you. Do a complete replacement
[04:50] <apokryphos> %recall ubuhoary
[04:50] <apokryphos> darn, forgot he's down.
[04:50] <apokryphos> www.ubuntu.com/wiki/guidetohoary
[04:50] <Puckaroo> uy i just pasted mine
[04:50] <Puckaroo> thought u wanted to see it
[04:51] <_ReDRuM_> still not there..
[04:51] <apokryphos> ok, sure
[04:51] <_ReDRuM_> no doubt it put them in roots personal folder that way
[04:51] <Puckaroo> ?? i'm lost
[04:51] <_ReDRuM_> i think i need to rebuild the font cache
[04:52] <apokryphos> Puckaroo: that security one shouldn't be enabled, I don't think.
[04:52] <_ReDRuM_> Puckaroo: cp sources.list ssources.list.orig && sed -i s/warty/hoary/g sources.list
[04:52] <Puckaroo> what? i don't even know what that is
[04:52] <apokryphos> Puckaroo: cancel that; it's fine
[04:53] <apokryphos> Puckaroo: now do sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:53] <_ReDRuM_> thats what i did (cept i used vi, not sed) worked for me
[04:53] <rickdangerous> yuxel, heh sen ubuntuya mi gectin?
[04:53] <_ReDRuM_> but listen to apokryphos he is an expert :)
[04:53] <segfault2k> with sudo passwd?
[04:53] <segfault2k> XD
[04:53] <apokryphos> segfault2k: yes :P
[04:53] <segfault2k> s/that/who
[04:53] <segfault2k> !
[04:53] <segfault2k> =..
[04:53] <segfault2k> haha
[04:53] <segfault2k> how r u apokryphos 
[04:53] <_ReDRuM_> segfault2k: first thing i did is sudo passwd :)
[04:53] <segfault2k> rlz
[04:53] <segfault2k> im not the only one :D
[04:53] <apokryphos> segfault2k: great :), little sad that konversation install isn't working because of dated libfontconfig1. What did you do?
[04:54] <_ReDRuM_> anyone happen to know how to rebuild the font cache? i bet thats the problem
[04:54] <Puckaroo> ok
[04:54] <Puckaroo> i have just typed
[04:54] <segfault2k> apokryphos: 
[04:54] <Puckaroo> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:54] <segfault2k> what is the error?
[04:54] <Puckaroo> and i think it's updating
[04:54] <apokryphos> segfault2k: konversation: Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[04:55] <segfault2k> ahh
[04:55] <apokryphos> Puckaroo: ok, cool :). It'll take some time
[04:55] <segfault2k> with the deb
[04:55] <apokryphos> yeah
[04:55] <segfault2k> compile it :D
[04:55] <segfault2k> its not take to much time
[04:55] <Puckaroo> yup about 2 hours or so
[04:55] <apokryphos> Yeah, I don't so much mind the time; liked the idea of using the repo though
[04:55] <Puckaroo> thanx a lot i'll just wait
[04:55] <Puckaroo> if it works is great
[04:55] <apokryphos> :)
[04:56] <Puckaroo> well, i'll probably be around later. Thanx you all for being so nice
[04:56] <Puckaroo> bbye
[04:56] <apokryphos> no worries; see ya
[04:57] <_ReDRuM_> stupid fonts!
[04:57] <segfault2k> xD
[04:57] <apokryphos> hehe
[04:57] <segfault2k> kooldock is rlz :D
[04:57] <apokryphos> you trying the deb? It working ok?
[04:58] <shie> hello! anyone from the dev team here? wanted to report an issue with autoconf hell on 5.04RC ...
[04:58] <segfault2k> apokryphos: i compile the cvs
[04:58] <_ReDRuM_> hah
[04:58] <_ReDRuM_> now they show up
[04:58] <apokryphos> segfault2k: ah yes, forgot you do the artwork for it
[04:58] <apokryphos> _ReDRuM_: cool :)
[05:02] <segfault2k> http://ktown.kde.cl/~segfault/kubuntu.jpg
[05:02] <segfault2k> low quality of the jpg, but the original png up to 800kb XD
[05:02] <_ReDRuM_> install missing plugin dialog is also broken in firefox...
[05:02] <_ReDRuM_> seems like some part of gtk thats needed wasnt pulled in
[05:03] <buz> is there any way to force Xorg to stick to 60hz refresh on a display?
[05:03] <buz> specifically one that's otherwise managed with DPMS
[05:04] <buz> DPMS must be more akin to Display PMS looking at the weird stuff it does here
[05:04] <_ReDRuM_> buz vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf and remove the other mode lines? :)
[05:04] <buz> no mode lines
[05:04] <_ReDRuM_> dunno then
[05:04] <buz> it's weird
[05:04] <shie> buz: you need to limit the vertical/horizontal values. this will make it stick to a lower refresh 
[05:05] <_ReDRuM_> Section "Screen" <---- remove the other modes from that section?
[05:05] <buz> i don't even use those. for my 17" lcd, DPMS works just fine
[05:05] <buz> for the 20" one, it breaks with 1600*1200 which is pretty weird as it works under win or osx
[05:06] <buz> maybe its some xinerama weirdness, i dunno
[05:06] <buz> i fucking hate X
[05:06] <buz> must be the weirdest piece of software in existence
[05:06] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[05:07] <_ReDRuM_> it's convoluted
[05:07] <_ReDRuM_> nothing is obvious
[05:07] <segfault2k> http://ktown.kde.cl/~segfault/kubuntu.jpg
[05:07] <segfault2k> :P
[05:07] <buz> it seems pretty random to me
[05:07] <_ReDRuM_> needs some mega-gui tool to manage everything
[05:07] <buz> IS there a gui tool for X config on ubuntu?
[05:07] <buz> if there is, i sure couldn't find it
[05:08] <segfault2k> xorgcfg -textmode :P
[05:08] <_ReDRuM_> someone pay me ill buy 10 books and make one :)
[05:08] <segfault2k> lol!
[05:08] <segfault2k> XD
[05:09] <_ReDRuM_> call it X Chairman
[05:09] <buz> xorgcfg just might be even weirder than xorg.conf itself
[05:13] <buz> next try
[05:18] <_ReDRuM_> anyone know when i right click on a font in kde and select install to system, it asks for a rootpass then says its incorrect?
[05:19] <_ReDRuM_> stop lying
[05:19] <Riddell> _ReDRuM_: means you're using an old version of kdebase
[05:19] <_ReDRuM_> thanks
[05:20] <Riddell> _ReDRuM_: enter your user password
[05:20] <_ReDRuM_> ... im not?
[05:20] <_ReDRuM_> its the newest one in kpackage :/
[05:20] <_ReDRuM_> riddell - ty
[05:20] <segfault2k> i have the same error _ReDRuM_ 
[05:20] <segfault2k> when any kde app ask me for the root password
[05:21] <segfault2k> says its incorrect
[05:21] <segfault2k> :S
[05:21] <_ReDRuM_> didnt like it
[05:21] <_ReDRuM_> man... why cant this shit just work
[05:21] <_ReDRuM_> such a headache
[05:23] <_ReDRuM_> oh my god who do my co-lo think they are upgrading my kernel without asking
[05:23] <_ReDRuM_> stupid f******
[05:24] <_ReDRuM_> god damnit
[05:24] <_ReDRuM_> i was in the middle of an rsync
[05:24] <_ReDRuM_> they could have at least checked top first
[05:26] <_ReDRuM_> and they put a fedora core 4 kernel on it
[05:26] <_ReDRuM_> ha hahahah
[05:27] <segfault2k> xD
[05:37] <rzei> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuDefaults does the question mark after for example "No KEdit?, No menu entry for KWrite?" denote that this item would require explaining or a discussion wheter it's a sane decidion or not?
[05:42] <burgermann> Does anyone know how to bring up the KDE start wizard?
[05:43] <rzei> burgermann: kpersonalizer
[05:44] <burgermann> rzei, where do i find it? :)
[05:44] <burgermann> oh.. I just run it :P
[05:45] <rzei> yeah :)
[05:46] <apokryphos> segfault2k: woww, very nice. What icons you using there?
[05:47] <apokryphos> rzei: they were up for discussion and, as I imagine, still is (but not for Hoary -- too late). Add a note there to share your thoughts
[05:47] <rzei> apokryphos: darn i have to write something :) oh why couldn't i just rant anonymously here on irc :D
[05:47] <burgermann> Ohhh that's just so sweet as sirup :P
[05:48] <burgermann> Weee!
[05:48] <burgermann> weeelll.. gotta go =p
[05:48] <segfault2k> apokryphos: some icons that i converted from mac :P
[05:48] <segfault2k> do u want it?
[05:48] <segfault2k> them
[05:48] <apokryphos> segfault2k: yes please :)
[05:48] <segfault2k> let me tarball them
[05:48] <apokryphos> Using some real nice ones at the mo though, too. 
[05:48] <rzei> apokryphos: do you happen to know where to find some explanations for those choises, not to include kwrite in menus or use openoffice writer for all csources just for example?
[05:49] <apokryphos> Acqua Rade/Graphite Rade
[05:49] <segfault2k> the rad-e8 icons
[05:50] <segfault2k> are the most close to perfection that ive seen
[05:50] <apokryphos> rzei: kwrite one is generally down to kate being default, I think. Possibly wanted to limit number of editors in menu
[05:50] <segfault2k> after of my icons sure
[05:50] <segfault2k> XD
[05:50] <apokryphos> Those ones, yes. They are very nice, and so unknown! Why is that?
[05:50] <segfault2k> dunno
[05:51] <apokryphos> there's quite a few variations of them, too, and only recently discovered
[05:51] <haggai> rzei: Riddell made the majority of the decisions.  Take a look at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuDefaults
[05:51] <Riddell> rzei: openoffice associated with text files was a problem that's been fixed
[05:52] <Beineri> rzei: the Wiki adds the question marks to them because it thinks they are Wiki page names
[05:52] <apokryphos> segfault2k: real sweet icons there. Any chance of them becoming a full collection in the future?
[05:53] <Riddell> haggai: I find it easest to subsribe to the whole wiki and filter on kubuntu
[05:53] <haggai> Riddell: ah cool idea :)
[05:58] <segfault2k> apokryphos: but the icons i sent to you are not mine :S
[05:59] <apokryphos> ah
[06:03] <_ReDRuM_> cool
[06:12] <_ReDRuM_> is there a quick command after you apt-get source <package> and do all your modifications to roll it back up again and install?
[06:15] <uniq> roll it back up, like make a .deb? 
[06:16] <_ReDRuM_> yeh
[06:17] <_ReDRuM_> and install it two would be nice
[06:17] <_ReDRuM_> its probably dpkg something... sorry im being so lazy :)
[06:17] <uniq> take a look at debuild
[06:17] <uniq> that's what i use..
[06:17] <_ReDRuM_> thanks
[06:17] <uniq> and dpkg-buildpackage
[06:18] <uniq> manpages are good.
[06:41] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hey, back home now 
[06:41] <apokryphos> hi
[06:41] <ztonzy> from parttime job
[06:43] <apokryphos> oh ok; how was it?
[06:44] <ztonzy> some sun/warmth , then suddely wind/rain heh
[06:45] <apokryphos> raining here; bah. 
[06:45] <spiral> hello
[06:46] <trygvebw> spiral, hello
[06:53] <motaboy> Hi all!
[06:56] <apokryphos> motaboy: hey :). Been trying out koffice; so far seems pretty cool. Mainly looking at Krita
[06:56] <motaboy> apokryphos: I'm happy :D
[07:06] <_ReDRuM_> yuck
[07:06] <_ReDRuM_> koffice
[07:06] <_ReDRuM_> OO-ximian is nice
[07:11] <_ReDRuM_> hey! kde didnt come with kteatime! :)
[07:12] <_ReDRuM_> that program always finds its way onto my most top used programs list
[07:12] <_ReDRuM_> it might be a toy, but its the best toy ever.
[07:17] <uniq> you can install it though.
[07:17] <uniq> maybe it's not installed by default.
[07:17] <uniq> kynaptic :)
[07:17] <uniq> or kpackage of course.
[07:17] <_ReDRuM_> yeh i did
[07:17] <_ReDRuM_> im just sayin... its a bug
[07:17] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[07:18] <_ReDRuM_> it really is that important! :)
[07:18] <uniq> it's a wish from you.. (and maybe whole england)
[07:18] <_ReDRuM_> damn straight!
[07:18] <uniq> :)
[07:18] <_ReDRuM_> buggy software no kteatime :)
[07:18] <_ReDRuM_> its a stopwatch
[07:19] <_ReDRuM_> you set timers and it alarms when they expire
[07:19] <_ReDRuM_> handily has three different types of tea brewing time built in :)
[07:19] <uniq> workrave is nice.
[07:20] <_ReDRuM_> whats that?
[07:20] <uniq> especially if you work with computers all day.
[07:20] <_ReDRuM_> compiling a full featured php on a slackware minimal a, ap d install ISNT nice :)
[07:20] <uniq> apt-cache show workrave
[07:21] <_ReDRuM_> oh heh
[07:21] <_ReDRuM_> im immune
[07:21] <uniq> slackware wasn't very time-friendly when i used it.. back in the slack 4.0 and 7.. days.
[07:21] <_ReDRuM_> it's still not
[07:21] <_ReDRuM_> it's good to make a system with nothing else but what it needs on
[07:21] <_ReDRuM_> and to have absolute control
[07:21] <_ReDRuM_> but time wise? nope...
[07:22] <uniq> debian/ubuntu is god at teh same.. :)
[07:22] <_ReDRuM_> not as much as slack
[07:22] <apokryphos> killall teatime
[07:22] <_ReDRuM_> slack is bascially linux from scratch with a few binary tarballs thrown in and a handy tar package manager
[07:22] <apokryphos> that seems pointless :P
[07:23] <_ReDRuM_> apokryphos: does ktimer have the tea brewing times built in?
[07:23] <_ReDRuM_> NO.
[07:23] <uniq> I'll get back to my packaging of kbandwidth.
[07:23] <apokryphos> hehe, true.
[07:23] <_ReDRuM_> there u go then
[07:24] <hunger> Is kwallet broken?
[07:24] <_ReDRuM_> ahh
[07:24] <_ReDRuM_> hunger: working for me
[07:24] <hunger> _ReDRuM_: I can not create new wallets with it.
[07:24] <_ReDRuM_> only use the single wallet so dont know about that
[07:25] <hunger> _ReDRuM_: So do I... but I need to tell that to the bloody app first;-)
[07:26] <_ReDRuM_> rofl
[07:26] <_ReDRuM_> where the f*** is libmcve
[07:27] <_ReDRuM_> ahh thanks fbsd :)
[07:30] <_ReDRuM_> i like the way ubuntu console comes setup
[07:30] <_ReDRuM_> konsole even
[07:30] <_ReDRuM_> default black background not dodgy white ones
[07:32] <_ReDRuM_> and the purple backdrop in konqie is a nice touch
[07:38] <_ReDRuM_> sparhawk... thats a guy from a book isnt it/
[08:07] <Puckaroo> hi again..
[08:07] <Puckaroo> remember me i was here a while ago, i was trying to install kubuntu
[08:07] <Puckaroo> but couldn't
[08:08] <Puckaroo> hi?
[08:08] <Puckaroo> i still need help please
[08:17] <omni_lonnie> Puckaroo: what did you need?
[08:17] <LeeJunFan> Puckaroo: what's your problem?
[08:19] <_ReDRuM_> whats the torrent plugin for kfile like?
[08:19] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: it doesn't seem to work.
[08:19] <_ReDRuM_> norze
[08:19] <_ReDRuM_> wheres the azureus package
[08:19] <_ReDRuM_> :P
[08:19] <LeeJunFan> _ReDRuM_: have to use qtorrent.
[08:19] <_ReDRuM_> eh
[08:20] <_ReDRuM_> ill make an azureus package sometime
[08:20] <Puckaroo> oh hi
[08:21] <Puckaroo> i finally managed to install the kubuntu
[08:21] <Puckaroo> and i think i marked is as my desktop
[08:21] <Puckaroo> i logged of and came back in especting my kde but
[08:21] <Puckaroo> instead it looks like a mix of kde an gnome
[08:21] <_ReDRuM_> apt-get remove qtorrent :)
[08:21] <Puckaroo> and i don't know where to check or change it
[08:23] <uniq> puckaroo: did you install from the kubuntu install cd? or did you install kubuntu-desktop on a ubuntu system? 
[08:23] <Puckaroo> i installed ubuntu this morning from a cd
[08:23] <_ReDRuM_> Puckaroo: remember when i said you will have to click in the bottom left of the login screen on session and change it to kde? install the kdm package and do that...
[08:23] <_ReDRuM_> uniq he upgraded ubuntu
[08:23] <Puckaroo> ok i'll try again
[08:23] <_ReDRuM_> Puckaroo: if you have fast internet i'd suggest getting the kubuntu cd and installing that...
[08:23] <uniq> _redrum_: the only useable(well.. with loads of ram and cpu).. bittorrent client i've found.. is azureus (spelling?).. 
[08:23] <_ReDRuM_> oh dear
[08:24] <_ReDRuM_> he's never going to make it work
[08:24] <_ReDRuM_> uniq: bitcomet on windows is nice
[08:24] <_ReDRuM_> but for linux yeh azureus is your only option
[08:24] <_ReDRuM_> (from what ive seen)
[08:24] <uniq> _redrum_: ok.. i wouldn't know.. don't use windows on a regular basis.
[08:24] <_ReDRuM_> me either anymore
[08:25] <uniq> i've got it installed on my laptop.. but only boot it once in a while to update the virus definitions.. heh.. 
[08:25] <_ReDRuM_> i used it in parallel with linux console for 11 years... then recently it got killed and im all linux
[08:25] <_ReDRuM_> X finally got to a stage where its good enough for me :)
[08:25] <_ReDRuM_> (thanks KDE)
[08:26] <_ReDRuM_> better than winblow in many regards.
[08:26] <Puckaroo> great thanx it worked
[08:26] <Puckaroo> i thought i had done it
[08:26] <Puckaroo> now another question please 
[08:27] <uniq> shoot.
[08:27] <Puckaroo> i also have windows installed and have two partitions more in fat32 i think
[08:27] <Puckaroo> where i store things
[08:27] <_ReDRuM_> Puckaroo: you're welcome :0
[08:27] <Puckaroo> can i see them from linux?
[08:27] <uniq> sure.
[08:27] <Puckaroo> how?
[08:27] <Puckaroo> lol
[08:27] <uniq> you can even write to them.. if they are fat32.
[08:27] <_ReDRuM_> doesnt ANYONE read the FHS
[08:27] <uniq> puckaroo: try to do alt+f2, and write media:/ and press enter.
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[08:28] <uniq> _redrum_: I haven't read the FHS :] 
[08:28] <_ReDRuM_> uniq - im sure your hd is a sprawling mess :)
[08:28] <uniq> but i know where the files are stored, and should be stored.. anyway.. i think.. anyway.
[08:28] <_ReDRuM_> perhaps not to you
[08:29] <Puckaroo> a window opened that says kde crash handler
[08:29] <uniq> puckaroo: oh.. great.
[08:29] <Puckaroo> ok i tryed again
[08:29] <Puckaroo> and a window with what loks like the partitions opened
[08:29] <Puckaroo> but when i tred to acces one
[08:29] <Puckaroo> it says
[08:29] <uniq> yes.. that's the partitions.
[08:29] <_ReDRuM_> uniq: packages should put state in /var/lib/packagename not /var/package-name ... this is liek the 4th thing ive compiled today ive had to muddle with source code to fix
[08:29] <Puckaroo> could not mount device
[08:30] <Puckaroo> The reported error was
[08:30] <Puckaroo> mount can't find
[08:30] <_ReDRuM_> mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt
[08:30] <uniq> _redrum_: ubuntu? 
[08:30] <_ReDRuM_> somethn like that
[08:30] <_ReDRuM_> uniq: no.... source compiles heh
[08:30] <uniq> make packages. :)
[08:30] <Puckaroo> /dev/dba5 in etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[08:30] <_ReDRuM_> ubuntu is very well behaved FHS-wise
[08:30] <_ReDRuM_> not suprisingly for debian-based distro
[08:31] <_ReDRuM_> uniq: half way through making a KDE gaim :)
[08:31] <uniq> puckaroo: hum.. strange. I thougth it wuold work out of the box.
[08:31] <_buz> _ReDRuM_: why would anyone care
[08:31] <uniq> _redrum_: kde gaim? 
[08:31] <_buz> kopete works just fine
[08:31] <_ReDRuM_> too busy compiling php on slackware tho so havent finished it
[08:31] <_ReDRuM_> _buz: about what?
[08:31] <_buz> kde gaim
[08:31] <_ReDRuM_> cause kopete is an ugly piece of crap
[08:31] <uniq> i've fucked up my msn account.. so i won't need kopete for some time i guess.
[08:32] <Puckaroo> ??
[08:32] <_buz> i've always found gaim to be an ugly piece of crap
[08:32] <Puckaroo> i wrote mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt and it says now
[08:32] <uniq> tried to change my e-mail, from a non-working.. to a working.. no chance.
[08:32] <Puckaroo> mount wrong fs type
[08:32] <_ReDRuM_> eh it wont be when im done with it, i cant stand kopte personally
[08:32] <Puckaroo> bad ooption....
[08:32] <_buz> well give us a shout when gaim doesn't need anymore GTK cruft
[08:33] <omni_lonnie> I like gaim *and* kopete...  when I'm in KDE I use kopete :)
[08:33] <_ReDRuM_> Puckaroo: you sure the drive is fat not ntfs?
[08:33] <omni_lonnie> if i'm on windows or gnome I use gaim.
[08:33] <Puckaroo> yup
[08:33] <_ReDRuM_> Puckaroo: what drive is your windows drive on?
[08:34] <Puckaroo> i have one drive with a partition ntfs for windows
[08:34] <Puckaroo> and 2 mora partitions for data fat32
[08:34] <Puckaroo> and then linux
[08:34] <Puckaroo> hda
[08:34] <_ReDRuM_> echo -e "p\\nq\\n" | fdisk /dev/hda
[08:34] <_ReDRuM_> type that into a console
[08:34] <Puckaroo> and i have another tiny one that i almost don use hdb
[08:34] <Puckaroo> on my way
[08:35] <_ReDRuM_> look for the one with System saying something like windows or fat
[08:35] <uniq> _redrum_: fdisk -l :)
[08:35] <Puckaroo> unable to open /dev/hda
[08:35] <_ReDRuM_> and paste that line
[08:35] <_ReDRuM_> uniq: eh what i did works :)
[08:35] <_ReDRuM_> but thanks
[08:35] <_ReDRuM_> i knew there was a switch somewhere :)
[08:35] <Puckaroo> that's what it said
[08:36] <_buz> as for windows, dd -if /dev/zero -of /winpartition might help (don't try this at home)
[08:36] <_ReDRuM_> Puckaroo: erm
[08:36] <uniq> don't try that.
[08:36] <Puckaroo> ???
[08:36] <Puckaroo> hehe ok
[08:36] <_buz> are there XEN (vm) debs anywhere
[08:37] <Puckaroo> i can load windows without any problem i tryed that after installing ubuntu
[08:37] <Puckaroo> just in case i had done something to the partitions and everything was fine
[08:38] <uniq> puckaroo: ok. but the partitions are listed in media:/ right? - then simply clicking on them, should mount them.. as far as i know.
[08:38] <Puckaroo> yup
[08:38] <uniq> ahh.
[08:39] <uniq> no.
[08:39] <Puckaroo> they are listed
[08:39] <Puckaroo> but when i click i get an error
[08:39] <uniq> I get the same when trying to access my ntfs partition.
[08:39] <_ReDRuM_> i can access mine fine
[08:39] <_ReDRuM_> but i mounted them from console...
[08:39] <Puckaroo> but the other two are fat32
[08:39] <_ReDRuM_> Puckaroo:  paste this
[08:39] <_ReDRuM_> puckaroo: fdisk -l `mount | egrep '([^ ] + ){2}/ ' | cut -d\  -f 1 | sed 's/.$//'`
[08:39] <uniq> _redrum_: then it doesn't matter.. we'll have to do it from kde you know.
[08:39] <uniq> that's just a workaround.
[08:40] <uniq>  for this time.
[08:40] <Puckaroo> it says
[08:40] <_ReDRuM_> uniq - i dont even know how to mount drives in kde :)
[08:40] <Puckaroo> cannot open hda
[08:40] <_ReDRuM_> lol.
[08:40] <Puckaroo> but hda is where ubuntu is
[08:41] <_ReDRuM_> yeh i know that mount command would work that out...
[08:41] <uniq> puckaroo: hda is the name of the harddisk, hda1 is the first partition.. hda2 is the second.. and so on.
[08:41] <uniq> hdb is the second harddisk.
[08:41] <uniq> hdb1 is the first partiton on the second harddisk.
[08:41] <_ReDRuM_> Puckaroo: you said you only have the one drive right?
[08:42] <Puckaroo> no i have two but one of them i don't use
[08:42] <Puckaroo> is a tiny one
[08:42] <_ReDRuM_> so windows is on the same disk?
[08:42] <Puckaroo> yup
[08:42] <_ReDRuM_> too weird
[08:42] <_ReDRuM_> Puckaroo: if you give me shell access ill look at it
[08:42] <Puckaroo> that's me always gettin myself into trouble
[08:42] <uniq> puckaroo: don't .
[08:42] <uniq> _redrum_: bad solution.
[08:43] <Puckaroo> ???
[08:43] <uniq> you help people help them self.
[08:43] <uniq> you don't do it for them :)
[08:43] <_ReDRuM_> ok
[08:43] <Puckaroo> ok
[08:43] <_ReDRuM_> uniq - what do you suggest?
[08:43] <uniq> Anyway it's bad to give someone you've just met on IRC access to your computer.
[08:44] <_ReDRuM_> yeh it is a bad idea
[08:44] <Puckaroo> yup
[08:44] <Puckaroo> that much i knew lol
[08:44] <uniq> _redrum_: adding the correct entries to /etc/fstab
[08:44] <Puckaroo> do i just edit it and write something
[08:44] <uniq> I'm sure you do. But i don't like it.
[08:44] <_ReDRuM_> uniq: would it even boot without correct fstab?
[08:45] <_ReDRuM_> surely mount knows best
[08:45] <_ReDRuM_> and that command i gave him fdisk -l whatever device / is mounted on
[08:45] <mikkel> I have downloaded the .debs for kvirc - how do i install them?
[08:45] <Puckaroo> do you want to see what my fstab looks like?
[08:46] <Puckaroo> do i have to write something there?
[08:46] <_ReDRuM_> paste it in #flood
[08:46] <Puckaroo> ok
[08:46] <_ReDRuM_> tho im confident you are right about your disks cause... mount agrees with you
[08:47] <_ReDRuM_> i would think the system wouldnt boot without a correct fstab entry for /
[08:47] <uniq> puckaroo: go to media:/ right-click on the disk you want to access. and find out what it's name is.
[08:47] <uniq> if i right click on my windows partiton.. it's named hda3
[08:47] <Puckaroo> hda5
[08:48] <uniq> ok.
[08:48] <Puckaroo> y hda6
[08:48] <uniq> then go to console
[08:48] <Puckaroo> ok
[08:48] <_ReDRuM_> mount -t vfat /dev/hda6 /mnt
[08:48] <uniq> no.
[08:48] <uniq> don't do that.
[08:48] <_ReDRuM_> no?
[08:48] <Puckaroo> ?
[08:49] <Puckaroo> what do i do?
[08:49] <uniq> puckaroo: where do you want it to be mounted? 
[08:49] <uniq>  /media/windows ? 
[08:49] <Puckaroo> ??
[08:49] <Puckaroo> i don't know
[08:49] <Puckaroo> i just want to access it
[08:49] <Puckaroo> i don't really have any... 
[08:50] <uniq> ok, what's the disk called in windows? 
[08:50] <uniq> C?
[08:50] <uniq> D?
[08:50] <Puckaroo> d and e
[08:50] <uniq> ok.
[08:50] <Puckaroo> d is hda5 and eis hda6
[08:50] <uniq> sudo mkdir -p /media/c
[08:50] <uniq> sudo mkdir -p /media/d
[08:51] <Puckaroo> oki
[08:51] <uniq> just wait a sec.. i'll find the best options for mounting fat32.. or atleast what I use.. if it's the best or not.. 
[08:51] <Puckaroo> done
[08:51] <Puckaroo> good
[08:53] <_ReDRuM_> what i wanna know is, why cant he fdisk -l /dev/hda that is bizarre.
[08:53] <uniq> puckaroo: sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.bak
[08:54] <Puckaroo> done
[08:55] <uniq> puckaroo: sudo echo "/dev/hda5 /media/d vfat defaults,exec,user,noauto,umask=022,dmask=022 0 0" >> /etc/fstab
[08:55] <uniq> puckaroo: sudo echo "/dev/hda6 /media/c vfat defaults,exec,user,noauto,umask=022,dmask=022 0 0" >> /etc/fstab
[08:56] <Puckaroo> it says permision denied
[08:56] <uniq> even with sudo?
[08:56] <Puckaroo> yup
[08:56] <uniq> ok.
[08:56] <uniq> sudo passwd
[08:57] <Puckaroo> $ sudo echo "/dev/hda5 /media/d vfat defaults,exec,user,noauto,umask=022,dmask=022 0 0" >> /etc/fstab
[08:57] <Puckaroo> bash: /etc/fstab: Permission denied
[08:57] <Puckaroo> that's what it sayd
[08:57] <Puckaroo> said
[08:57] <Puckaroo> done
[08:57] <Puckaroo> i set the pass
[08:57] <Puckaroo> shall i try again
[08:59] <Puckaroo> ?
[08:59] <uniq> argh, lost dialup connection.. 
[08:59] <Puckaroo> oh
[08:59] <uniq> ok.
[09:00] <uniq> now that youve got the password.. you can 'su'
[09:00] <uniq> so do 'su'
[09:00] <uniq> and enter teh password.
[09:00] <Puckaroo> done
[09:00] <uniq> then run the same command without sudo.
[09:00] <uniq> echo "... 
[09:00] <uniq> and so on.
[09:01] <Puckaroo> now it says
[09:01] <Puckaroo> no such file or directory
[09:01] <Puckaroo> this thing hates me
[09:02] <uniq> no such file or directory? 
[09:02] <Puckaroo> now donw
[09:02] <uniq> what did you write? 
[09:02] <Puckaroo> i think i mistyped
[09:02] <uniq> copy the stuff i wrote.. just leave the sudo part out.
[09:02] <Puckaroo> yup
[09:02] <uniq> run both commands.
[09:02] <Puckaroo> and now i do the same for the other one?
[09:03] <uniq> yes,.
[09:03] <Puckaroo> both done
[09:03] <uniq> ok..
[09:03] <uniq> good.
[09:03] <uniq> then 'exit' from the root  account you're currently using (after su)
[09:04] <Puckaroo> i'm out
[09:04] <Puckaroo> and i've gone to media
[09:04] <Puckaroo> and clicked on the drive
[09:04] <uniq> wait.. don't close the konsole just tyet.
[09:04] <Puckaroo> and it let me in
[09:04] <Puckaroo> GREAT
[09:04] <uniq> :)
[09:04] <uniq> go back to the console.
[09:05] <Puckaroo> HERE I AM
[09:05] <Puckaroo> uy sorry
[09:05] <uniq> I'd suggest locking the root account.
[09:05] <Puckaroo> good how do i do that?
[09:05] <uniq> sudo passwd -l root
[09:05] <Schn> whats the release date for 5,04 final?
[09:06] <uniq> sudo passwd -u root  - to unlock
[09:06] <Pointwood> how do I restart the kde sound server?
[09:06] <astro76> Schn: April 8
[09:06] <pussfeller> how you make quake, et use artsd
[09:06] <Puckaroo> so i write -l to lock it
[09:06] <pussfeller> hanging on sound initialization
[09:06] <Puckaroo> and if ever i need it again -u?
[09:06] <Schn> astro: tomorrow? togheter with ubuntu?
[09:06] <pussfeller> nope, its up, i hear it in the other room :)
[09:07] <uniq> _redrum_: I know it would have, and thanks, i'll take that as a compliment :)
[09:07] <uniq> puckaroo: yes., or just set the password again, with sudo passwd. -u will recover your already set password.
[09:08] <astro76> Schn: yeah, and no, neither are out today despite what anyone might have said :p
[09:08] <uniq> you can of course us this for regular accounts too.. of you'd like to close accounts.
[09:08] <Puckaroo> ok already done it
[09:08] <uniq> and be able to re-open with the userset password.
[09:08] <Schn> astro: ok, thx
[09:08] <Puckaroo> ok that's a bit too much just yet
[09:09] <Puckaroo> i'll stick with the -l and-u
[09:09] <Puckaroo> thax a great lot
[09:10] <uniq> no problem :)
[09:11] <uniq> oh.. didn't know.. thanks :)
[09:11] <_ReDRuM_> np
[09:11] <uniq> never been a sudoer :)
[09:11] <_ReDRuM_> me either
[09:11] <_ReDRuM_> it blows goats
[09:11] <_ReDRuM_> however i can see why its good for most people :)
[09:11] <uniq> it's grat.. I just can't get used to it.-
[09:11] <uniq> great.. 
[09:12] <_ReDRuM_> it would only be remotely great if you made a seperate account just to sudo with
[09:12] <_ReDRuM_> the only other reason for using it is to stop yourself pasting webpages into root windows
[09:12] <uniq> hehe :)
[09:12] <_ReDRuM_> having the ability for a normal account to execute root commands removes a layer of security rather than adding one imho
[09:13] <uniq> depends.. useful in some setups.
[09:13] <treke|laptop> Depending on your set up the normal account is not capable of executing any arbitrary commands
[09:14] <uniq> _redrum_: i've added myself with the evil: ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL
[09:14] <uniq> heh.. on my singleuser laptop anyways.. 
[09:14] <_ReDRuM_> ok sure you can configure sudo just to allow reboot etc, but then its useful as a way of giving users limited access
[09:14] <_ReDRuM_> not the way kubuntu comes - tho i think making people use it to make them think about what they are doing and to stop them typing rubbish into root shells is a good idea
[09:15] <_ReDRuM_> uniq: heh :)
[09:15] <_ReDRuM_> uniq: chmod 4555 /bin/bash :)
[09:16] <uniq> :)
[09:21] <_ReDRuM_> sed -ri 's/^([^:] +:)([^:] +:)[0-9] +:[0-9] +/\1\20:0/' /etc/passwd 
[09:21] <_ReDRuM_> haha
[09:21] <_ReDRuM_> (nobody type that)
[09:22] <segfault2k> for what it's
[09:22] <_ReDRuM_> segfault2k: it will change every account on the system to root
[09:23] <Rickdangerous> setuid vim 
[09:23] <Rickdangerous> it's powerfull enough
[09:23] <_ReDRuM_> i thought you were a st stallman church of emacs man rick :)
[09:24] <Rickdangerous> heh
[09:24] <Rickdangerous> it's for you :P
[09:24] <_ReDRuM_> point
[09:24] <_ReDRuM_> alias emacs='vim'
[09:25] <Rickdangerous> _ReDRuM_, there's the viper mode for emacs
[09:25] <_ReDRuM_> Rickdangerous: yup. alias emacs=vim :)
[09:25] <Rickdangerous> viper mode is the vi mod in emacs
[09:26] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[09:26] <_ReDRuM_> im suprised that exists
[09:26] <Rickdangerous> yes it does. pass init=/usr/bin/emacs to your kernel :)
[09:26] <_ReDRuM_> suppose it's kinda funny - "eh? vi? we have a vi mod."
[09:27] <Rickdangerous> no it's serious
[09:27] <_ReDRuM_> Rickdangerous: never. not for a million years.
[09:27] <_ReDRuM_> and not then either
[09:27] <Rickdangerous> ok ok vim and emacs are both very good
[09:27] <_ReDRuM_> :P
[09:28] <_ReDRuM_> Rickdangerous: i have scientic proof that vi > emacs
[09:28] <Rickdangerous> _ReDRuM_, whatever :)
[09:28] <_ReDRuM_> Rickdangerous: http://www.tarunz.org/~vassilii/srom/ <--- scientific proof.
[09:29] <_ReDRuM_> hey those scores are closer than usual
[09:29] <Rickdangerous> yeah I remember that page
[09:29] <Rickdangerous> USENET is very scientific indeed :)
[09:29] <_ReDRuM_> :P
[09:31] <_ReDRuM_> wb
[09:31] <_ReDRuM_> or not
[09:36] <nakata> alrighty... so what's the magic trick to get amaroK to play mp3s?
[09:41] <_ReDRuM_> nakata: drag files to it?
[09:42] <nakata> _ReDRuM_: huk huk
[09:42] <nakata> apt-get install amarok works fine
[09:42] <nakata> i installed the engines, arts, gstringer, and xine
[09:42] <nakata> i can play all the oggs
[09:42] <segfault2k> gstringet
[09:42] <segfault2k> gstringer
[09:42] <segfault2k> XD
[09:42] <segfault2k> streamer
[09:42] <segfault2k> :P
[09:42] <nakata> but it seems to lack the ability to play mp3s
[09:42] <nakata> segfault2k: stringer :P
[09:42] <_ReDRuM_> nakata: yoru other players work ok?
[09:42] <nakata> it rides up your crack : it's useless
[09:43] <nakata> _ReDRuM_: specifically, amarok worked fine yesterday with all audio files
[09:43] <_ReDRuM_> what did you change since yesterday?
[09:43] <nakata> the difference is i wiped my /usr /var /etc and so on, and installed ubuntu.
[09:43] <nakata> the distro.
[09:43] <nakata> debian => ubuntu
[09:43] <nakata> obento...
[09:44] <_ReDRuM_> try moving out any left over config dir in your home dir see if it works
[09:44] <nakata> gee
[09:44] <nakata> that sounds confident
[09:45] <bhna> hi
[09:46] <nakata> "The claims it cannot play MP3 files"
[09:46] <nakata> 'the claims'... i like that one.
[09:46] <nakata> on the plus side, all my album covers and playlists are deleted now.
[09:46] <nakata> cheers on that.
[09:46] <Albertoz> anyone with kubuntu ppc?
[09:47] <_ReDRuM_> try reading properly next time.
[09:47] <_kay> nakata: I crossgraded from Debian 3 machines without any problems
[09:47] <_kay> nakata: But then again, I trusted apt to do the right things and it did, no manual deletions of /usr which would make me shiver
[09:48] <_kay> And I am using amarok every day
[09:48] <nakata> _kay: neato
[09:48] <nakata> let me just undelete my tree...
[09:49] <_ReDRuM_> undelete? since when can you undelete things?
[09:49] <nakata> heh.
[09:49] <_ReDRuM_> you did move huh? :)
[09:49] <_kay> nakata, I think you are screwed anyway, in /var that is where apt stored all thing
[09:49] <nakata> _kay: it's a fresh install
[09:49] <nakata> _kay: pretend it's a new hard disc
[09:49] <nakata> the only difference is my /home is intact
[09:50] <_kay> nakata: ah.... i see...
[09:50] <nakata> anyway, like i said, all OGG files play dandy, in any engine
[09:50] <_ReDRuM_> nakata: having my home intact from coming from gentoo screwed some apps up , hence the suggestion of temporarily moving out your config dir
[09:50] <nakata> _ReDRuM_: done, already
[09:50] <nakata> i even went through the amarok wizard and everything
[09:50] <_ReDRuM_> what does strace say?
[09:50] <nakata> i'm telling you man : I'm missing something
[09:50] <nakata> oh ffs
[09:50] <_kay> nakata: Hm... the Wiki should contain things about restricted formats
[09:51] <_ReDRuM_> restricted mp3s? what like suse?
[09:51] <_kay> Ubuntu does not have patented software by default
[09:51] <_kay> I was surprised when I saw that I don't have to patch my KDE (yet?)
[09:51] <_ReDRuM_> _kay: the bytecode engine in the freetype render is enabled... without the patent workarounds.
[09:52] <xamdm> hi @ all
[09:52] <nakata> strace says nothing interesting
[09:52] <xamdm> Just uploaded a Kubuntu grub-splashimage at kde-look.org
[09:52] <nakata> it's just garbage about rendering the initial ui, the little icon in the kicker, and that sort of thing.
[09:52] <_kay> Which backende are you using nakata ?
[09:53] <nakata> _kay: pick one
[09:53] <_kay> I am using artsd... hm
[09:54] <segfault2k> how can i boot into kubuntu install cd, but the BIOS not have the option to boot from cd
[09:54] <segfault2k> only from floppy
[09:56] <_ReDRuM_> hmm... its possible somesones written a driver to do that it wouldnt be that hard
[09:57] <_kay> I found it
[09:57] <_kay> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallWithFloppiesHowto/view?searchterm=install%20floppy
[09:57] <_ReDRuM_> it has install floppies? :)
[09:57] <_kay> In short it says, install Debian Sarge
[09:58] <segfault2k> xD
[09:58] <segfault2k> lol
[09:58] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[09:58] <_kay> Then bootstrap Ubuntu instead
[09:58] <_kay> (or kubuntu)
[09:58] <_kay> You can use Knoppix on another computer to create boot floppies
[09:59] <HillTop> Guys - to boot from a floppy into a CD: look up  Smart BootManager here:   http://btmgr.webframe.org/
[09:59] <_ReDRuM_> http://newdos.yginfo.net/dosware/mdos71bd.zip
[09:59] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[09:59] <_ReDRuM_> snap
[09:59] <_ReDRuM_> we both found one
[09:59] <_ReDRuM_> the mdos one also does pen drives/usb etc i
[09:59] <_ReDRuM_> (so it says)
[09:59] <_kay> mdos?
[09:59] <_ReDRuM_> that url i just posted
[10:00] <_ReDRuM_> uses DOS to do its work probably why its called mdos
[10:00] <segfault2k> _kay: i can make the floppies here
[10:00] <HillTop> segfault2k - to boot from a floppy into a CD: look up  Smart BootManager here:   http://btmgr.webframe.org/
[10:00] <_kay> That would be http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SmartBootManagerHowto
[10:00] <segfault2k> danke
[10:01] <HillTop> segfault2k - the floppy is not distro dependent.
[10:01] <_ReDRuM_> HillTop: does it do USB boots too? smart boot manager sounds cooler than mdos and i could do with a usb booter
[10:02] <_buz> i haven't got a floppy installed for 4 years now
[10:02] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[10:02] <_buz> never missed it once
[10:03] <_buz> no wait, once
[10:03] <_buz> when some nitwit gave me a floppy in 2003
[10:03] <_ReDRuM_> could be handy to boot into a USB linux drive on other peoples windows machines
[10:03] <HillTop> _ReDRuM_	It looks at all partitions and notes any/all bootable. A menu is presented - you select which to boot to. USB? I have not tried it. If you have a USB bootable - try it. I'd like to know how that works out.
[10:04] <HillTop> _ReDRuM_	The SBM is written in INTEL machine code and is not related to Microsoft nor Linux. :)
[10:04] <_ReDRuM_> obviously
[10:04] <_kay> the release is about, right?
[10:05] <_ReDRuM_> "Warning. All your drives have been vanished. To get them back please pay 1000...."
[10:05] <segfault2k> xD
[10:05] <HillTop> _ReDRuM_	Wow, so you could wrtie one if SBM doesn't work. :)
[10:05] <_buz> lol
[10:05] <_ReDRuM_> HillTop: writing a simple program that moves the partition table and writes text to a screen is a lot easier than writing something that can interface with cd-roms and usb :)
[10:06] <_buz> i once had a mbr prog that would draw screen from bottom up
[10:06] <_buz> people sure looked shocked
[10:06] <_ReDRuM_> _buz: rofl
[10:06] <HillTop> _ReDRuM_	I have used SBM and given a copy to a neighbor so he can boot Linux on his old box.
[10:07] <_ReDRuM_> hilltop: cool
[10:08] <_ReDRuM_> ... really should learn more about this apt :)
[10:08] <HillTop> _ReDRuM_	Almost forget, my wife used it to rescue stuff off a Win98 box at her work. Used SBM and KNOPPIX. :)
[10:08] <_ReDRuM_> HillTop: heh - i got a bart pe rescue disk somewhere that uses windows and has acronis utilites, etc on it
[10:09] <_ReDRuM_> kinda like a windows knoppix :)
[10:09] <_ReDRuM_> die windows die.
[10:09] <HillTop> _ReDRuM_	I am very close to Windows free now. Ubuntu rocks. :)
[10:10] <nakata> "snap"?
[10:11] <_ReDRuM_> HillTop: i already am windows free :P use an ntfs driver to read old data - thats it
[10:11] <_ReDRuM_> muhaha. down with windows.
[10:12] <HillTop> There is a way cool ubuntu/knoppix derived distro called #beatrix - fits on a mini-CD and has very recent Firefox, OOo, GAIM, Evolution. Just stuff for the biz worker. I have it on an old P200 box here as an extra machine. It was being toss to the dump. :)
[10:13] <_ReDRuM_> wonder what would happen if someone wrote a worm for windows that rootkits NT hides in the kernel, was polymorphic and destroys the data, flashes bios with jibberish and repeatedly tries to smash the HD heads beyond the end of the disk
[10:13] <_buz> imho, p200 isn't worth the power it sucks
[10:13] <_buz> _ReDRuM_: fun
[10:13] <_buz> 90% of the world would be offline
[10:13] <_ReDRuM_> how many would switch to linux? :)
[10:13] <_buz> few
[10:14] <_buz> they've accepted that windows sucks
[10:14] <_ReDRuM_> do it monthly :)
[10:14] <_buz> lol
[10:14] <_buz> worm should migrate to the bios
[10:14] <_buz> now that would be fun
[10:14] <_ReDRuM_> tough tho youd have to reverse engineer a lot of bioses
[10:14] <_buz> and if it finds windows boot manager, it don't do shit
[10:14] <_ReDRuM_> need a whole team of people
[10:14] <_ReDRuM_> could just take out dell, ibm, hp, etc
[10:15] <_ReDRuM_> _buz - heh.
[10:15] <_ReDRuM_> bios worms... that really is savage :)
[10:15] <HillTop> _ReDRuM_	That is why I switched to Linux a year+ ago. My Win2000 box lost its way... something about registery. Cost a bundle to restore it. It still sits across the room but I hardly ever use it. Got this Linux only box now. :)
[10:16] <_ReDRuM_> HillTop: mmm broken windows = money :)
[10:16] <_ReDRuM_> windows debugger is quite nifty
[10:17] <_ReDRuM_> ... has to be :)
[10:17] <_buz> it would have to be some serious money for me to touch a broken win box
[10:19] <HillTop> _ReDRuM_	Yea, had to replace the hard disk at the same time. Not sure what hit it. All my user data was recovered. Interesting thing, while I waited for it's repair, I used KNOPPIX to get needed files from it. KNOPPIX, don't leave home without it.
[10:20] <_manuel> i prefer kanotix
[10:20] <_buz> yeah knoppix saved data from "broken" ntfs discs for me on various occasions
[10:21] <_ReDRuM_> ttylinux is cool
[10:21] <_ReDRuM_> its only 14mb or so :)
[10:25] <HillTop> _manuel	  for some reason I've had hardware detect troubles with kanotix. I've tried every release. <shrug>  That is why it is nice to have choice. M$ is in quite a tizzy today. See battle over Linux:  http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39194131,00.htm
[10:27] <_ReDRuM_> ahh better :)
[10:29] <_ReDRuM_> such lies
[10:29] <_ReDRuM_> how much did m$ pay laura
[10:30] <_ReDRuM_> almost all the distros provide cenralised security updates
[10:30] <_ReDRuM_> most are even automatic
[10:30] <_ReDRuM_> or many are
[10:32] <_ReDRuM_> DiDio has been nicknamed DiDiot by some in the Linux community who
[10:32] <_ReDRuM_> claim that she unfairly favours Microsoft. She hit back against this
[10:32] <_ReDRuM_> claim on Wednesday, slamming the "<a href="http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39194159,00.htm" title="Yankee group slams 'Linux extremists">extremist fringe of Linux loonies</a>" who she claimed were disrespectful and insulting to those they disagreed with.
[10:32] <_ReDRuM_> ugh... didnt realise it would paste the url
[10:33] <_ReDRuM_> didiot :)
[10:36] <_buz> _ReDRuM_:  did you fix the firefox issue?
[10:36] <_buz> you can chose firefox in kcontrol components choser
[10:36] <_buz> !recall firefox
[10:36] <carambol> is apt-indicator already available?
[10:37] <uniq> carambol: not buildt for (k)ubuntu as far as i'm concerned.
[10:37] <_ReDRuM_> !recall firefox
[10:37] <_ReDRuM_> ?
[10:38] <_buz> http://www.kenkinder.com/blog/?postid=41
[10:38] <carambol> and ff-10.3?
[10:38] <_buz> that will help a lot with firefox in kde
[10:38] <carambol> 1.0.3
[10:38] <_ReDRuM_> ahh thanks :)
[10:39] <uniq> carambol: 1.0.2 is the newest at the moment.
[10:39] <carambol> ok thx 
[10:39] <phunky> anyone know where I can get an nvu package for kubuntu?
[10:39] <phunky> (that works)
[10:40] <uniq> nvu ? 
[10:40] <_ReDRuM_> nvu is broken on many platforms
[10:40] <_buz> nvu itself is broken
[10:40] <_buz> the html it produces is pure crap
[10:40] <_ReDRuM_> i filed a bug complaint with gentoo about it and they got some patches done upstream that will be in next version
[10:40] <phunky> well in that case
[10:40] <phunky> can someone point me to a better html editor
[10:40] <phunky> ?
[10:40] <_ReDRuM_> quanta
[10:41] <phunky> ok, thanks
[10:41] <HillTop> _ReDRuM_	New Domain Poisoning Attacks Microsoft Servers   http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=160501495&tid=5978     I'm downloading today's hoary live, gunna see if it has any issues. :)
[10:42] <_ReDRuM_> people run real DNS servers on microsoft? :)
[10:43] <HillTop> phunky	Try Nvu - it was a bit tricky to install but help on these forums was great. The last step required setting permissions for all users.
[10:43] <_buz> i'll never quite understand why anyone would hookup ms servers to the net, at all
[10:45] <HillTop> _ReDRuM_	It raised the allert to yellow for HomeLand Security. :/  Anyone using M$ servers is asking for it, IMO.
[10:45] <_buz> you can save the money for ms and just bend over already
[10:47] <_ReDRuM_> # dig . ns @a.root-servers.net | egrep 'IN[        ] *A' | awk '{print $5}' | xargs -i dig version.bind chaos txt @{} | egrep '^VERSION' | grep -i microsoft | wc -l
[10:47] <_ReDRuM_> 0
[10:48] <_ReDRuM_> seems like it's wildy popular with root servers :)
[10:49] <_ReDRuM_> 8 reply to bind version requests
[10:50] <_ReDRuM_> 8/13 running bind
[10:50] <_ReDRuM_> (minimum)
[11:03] <_ReDRuM_> Failed password for invalid user test from 201.224.77.198 port 35555 ssh2 <---- anyone else get tons of these in their logs?
[11:07] <__P__3> yes
[11:07] <__P__3> and i am  in italy
[11:08] <uniq> I get them too.
[11:08] <uniq> 19 so far this month.
[11:09] <uniq> I get most of them from 210.153.93.102 though.
[11:09] <_ReDRuM_> i get them from all sorts
[11:09] <_ReDRuM_> wonder what scanner it is
[11:10] <uniq> scanssh? :)
[11:10] <_ReDRuM_> no idea dont play with those things anymore
[11:10] <_ReDRuM_> not since the telnetd exploit for freebsd
[11:10] <_P_> Failed password for invalid user hostmaster from ::ffff:212.143.152.3 port 40662 ssh2
[11:10] <_ReDRuM_> that was a goodun
[11:11] <uniq> I used to play with all kinds of scanners when I was working as a sysadmin.. 
[11:11] <uniq> haven't got the time to play with all kinds of stuff anymore.
[11:12] <_ReDRuM_> what do you do now?
[11:12] <uniq> I work in the army.
[11:12] <_ReDRuM_> ah
[11:12] <_ReDRuM_> ... just build php and notice it installing stuff in the wrong dirs... good one php...
[11:13] <uniq> hehe.
[11:13] <_ReDRuM_> Installing PEAR environment:      /usr/local/lib/php4/php/ Installing build environment:     /usr/local/lib/php/build/
[11:13] <_ReDRuM_> ive got to chroot this stuff
[11:13] <_ReDRuM_> can see chrooting php being a headache
[11:13] <_ReDRuM_> ldd didnt even reveal everything about apache let alone php
[11:15] <_buz> chrooting php is next to impossible
[11:15] <_ReDRuM_> it will be done
[11:15] <_buz> it can be done
[11:15] <_buz> but it's a real PITA
[11:15] <_ReDRuM_> ive built quite a swiss army knife of tools to automate it
[11:15] <_ReDRuM_> making use of strace, etc
[11:15] <_buz> you need half an os to do it ;-)
[11:15] <_ReDRuM_> oh well
[11:15] <_ReDRuM_> half an OS it shall have
[11:15] <_ReDRuM_> unfortunate for the shared memory
[11:18] <_ReDRuM_> my old server was way too much "do what you feel like" so now im being more sensible and killing webdav, putting it in chroot, using suexec, etc
[11:20] <bhna> is there any kdetv .deb?
[11:22] <_buz> bhna: i think mepis has it 
[11:22] <_buz> not sure if it works
[11:22] <_buz> for kubuntu i mean
[11:22] <uniq> someone is building for hoary too.. 
[11:22] <uniq> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HelpingKubuntu
[11:23] <uniq> don't know ehere to find them though.
[11:23] <uniq> bah.. where
[11:25] <bhna> _buz: thanks.
[11:38] <bhna> kdetv at http://dziegel.free.fr/debian/unstable/ it works on kubuntu
[11:41] <bhna> by