[12:00] <whiprush> we'll take pics. And the person who packaged the most stuff for hoary gets to do shots. Poor metallikop. :(
[12:01] <mdz> hmm, no edit or login button with that fancy wiki skin
[12:01] <ogra> whiprush, lucky dholbach 
[12:01] <mako> mdz: they're overrated
[12:01] <ogra> ;)
[12:01] <whiprush> well, he won't be near me so he gets off this time.
[12:01] <dholbach> ogra: gm?
[12:02] <T-Bone> hmm, so it's either north america or germany? ;^P
[12:02] <ogra> dholbach, <whiprush> we'll take pics. And the person who packaged the most stuff for hoary gets to do shots. Poor metallikop. :( <ogra> whiprush, lucky dholbach 
[12:02] <dholbach> ha... will be seb128 ;-)
[12:02] <ogra> dholbach, i guess youre getting near that :)
[12:03] <mvo> how long does it roughly take for the cdimages? I wonder if I should wait and test or go to bed :)
[12:03] <mdz> Kamion: just don't clobber my change :-P
[12:04] <dholbach> if anyone has a package he likes to be fixed (in universe) please head to wiki/UniverseLastMinuteFixes
[12:04] <mako> hmm.. luis isn't around.. i used his picture
[12:06] <Kamion> mdz: avoided, I think
[12:07] <azeem_> dholbach: hmm, sbuild 0.35 didn't get merged?
[12:08] <Kamion> dholbach: NRW == Nordrheinwestfalen?
[12:08] <ogra> Kamion, yup
[12:08] <mvo> Kamion: yes
[12:08] <dholbach> Kamion: yes!
[12:08] <Kamion> just curious, wondering if my obsolete German geography memory still worked
[12:08] <dholbach> Kamion: i'm impressed
[12:09] <dholbach> *arg* why doesnt the wiki like me... :-/
[12:09] <Kamion> lamont_r: are new live rootfses ready?
[12:09] <mvo> dholbach: it just don't like anyone
[12:10] <lamont_r> doh. yes
[12:10] <lamont_r> last check ppc was compressing, but it's done new
[12:10] <Kamion> lamont_r: building, then
[12:10] <lamont_r> now even
[12:11] <lamont_r> kde-i18n, otoh, is _NOT_ done _YET_
[12:12] <mvo> is the hoary-install-i386 ready? it looks like there is a new 20050406.2 dir?
[12:12] <lamont_r> mvo: there's something new there in the last 20 min or so
[12:13] <Kamion> mvo: yes
[12:13] <Kamion> sorry, yeah, install CDs done, please sync/test
[12:13] <mvo> doing that now
[12:13] <Kamion> lamont_r: it's gonna be a long night here in UTC+0100
[12:14] <lamont_r> Kamion: yeah, but this way we get 20050407 CD's.. :-)
[12:14] <Kamion> oh, that reminds me, better disable the cron jobs
[12:15] <lamont_r> you want livecd's turned off too?
[12:15] <azeem_> mako: "vicotory"?
[12:15] <Kamion> lamont_r: yeah, let's make it all manual-only from now on
[12:15] <Kamion> all CD cron jobs disabled
[12:15] <Amaranth> yay for a buggy PyXDG!
[12:15] <Amaranth> submenus come out all fscked up :/
[12:16] <mako> azeem_: hmm. good point
[12:16] <mkedwards> lamont_r: would now be a good time to ask again about the livecd construction script?  :)
[12:16] <mdz> rsyncing
[12:17] <mkedwards> livecd ready to rsync?
[12:17] <mdz> not yet
[12:17] <lamont_r> mdz: it's working it's way through process, I believe.... 
[12:17] <mdz> only install at this time
[12:17] <mdz> lamont_r: kde-i18n?
[12:17] <lamont_r> mdz: up to kfilereplace
[12:17] <mdz> lamont_r: that'll be next week
[12:17] <lamont_r> mdz: yeah, I figured as much
[12:17] <mdz> lamont_r: please trigger kubuntu cloop builds once it's ready
[12:17] <mdz> x3
[12:18] <lamont_r> yeah
[12:18] <lamont_r> we're past where we died last time, I keep checking it...
[12:18] <lamont_r> is actually tail'ing in the other window
[12:20] <mako> alright.. i'll be back in a little bit.. that list of parties better be good to go ;)
[12:21] <azeem_> (btw I head Arrogance will attend a party in .ca)
[12:21] <azeem_> heard, even
[12:21] <CarlK> If I don't get to say so later, Good Job to you all
[12:21] <azeem_> CarlK: are you going to update? :)
[12:22] <CarlK> azeem_, I wold love to, but my ISP  went bonkers a few hours ago
[12:22] <Arrogance> azeem_, but it won't be the same without you
[12:23] <CarlK> azeem_, I am sitting at Champs Bar-n-grill ;)
[12:23] <CarlK> so if anyone wants to pop over, Beers on me
[12:24] <CarlK> but the bat is low.. so off I go
[12:24] <Kamion> live CD builds done
[12:30] <mvo> Kamion: install is runing and according to fdisk I have a partition marked as "bootable"
[12:30] <Kamion> mdz: want DVD builds? I imagine Kubuntu will be a while yet
[12:30] <mdz> Kamion: sure
[12:31] <mdz> Kamion: I talked with sabdfl about DVD; I think we have enough time to do a test cycle, but if something is wrong with them, I don't think we'll have time for a second
[12:31] <mdz> they're just too bloody big
[12:31] <Kamion> yeah :( I've started builds
[12:31] <jdub> morning
[12:32] <dholbach> hey jdub 
[12:32] <ogra> hi jdub 
[12:32] <tseng> hi jdub
[12:32] <mvo> hey jdub 
[12:35] <seb128> hey hey jdub :)
[12:36] <mdz> amd64 booting stage 2
[12:36] <mdz> Kamion: confirmed it has an active partition this time
[12:37] <lamont_r> jdub: where's my april calendar>?
[12:37] <jdub> lamont_r: i'm waiting for the disappearing artist trick to finish, and it may just have
[12:38] <lamont_r> I see
[12:38] <mdz> jdub: cliff returned my call earlier today, said he hadn't any messages from you
[12:41] <jdub> he's on IM atm
[12:41] <lamont_r> jdub: what's this I hear about thirsty camels in australia terrorizing toilets?
[12:41] <jdub> but i've mailed numerous times recently
[12:44] <mdz> install-amd64 success
[12:52] <Kamion> still waiting for freaking *last* round of live CDs to rsync so I can grab this round of install/live. sigh.
[12:53] <mkedwards> ouch.  ipw2100 blew up on me.  didn't realize hoary's ipw2100 is from December.
[12:53] <mdz> live-amd64 successful
[12:54] <mkedwards> mdz: does that mean livecds are ready to rsync?
[12:55] <mdz> mkedwards: <Kamion> live CD builds done
[12:55] <mdz> (yes)
[12:55] <mkedwards> mdz: must have been while I was disconnected due to dead ipw2100.
[12:55] <mkedwards> mdz: thx
[12:57] <mdz> lamont_r: kde-i18n status?
[12:57] <Kamion> mdz: see #kubuntu-devel
[12:57] <Kamion> haggai is reverting
[12:57] <mdz> that thing doesn't even have any code in it; why does it take ages to build?
[12:57] <mdz> GAH
[12:57] <Kamion> because it has a gazillion files
[12:58] <Kamion> last time I built it (years ago, for a Debian NMU) it took three hours just to clean
[12:58] <Kamion> slow machine admittedly ...
[12:58] <haggai> but the number of langs has gone up since then..
[12:58] <mdz> Kamion: is it too late to ask for the released filenames to be ubuntu-5.04 rather than ubuntu-hoary?
[12:58] <mkedwards> regenerates all locales after every language pack addition/removal?  ouch!
[12:59] <ska> "Ubuntu CD detected - [Automatically upgrade] " - cool!
[12:59] <Kamion> mdz: you mean 5.04-* rather than hoary-*?
[01:00] <mdz> Kamion: well, ubuntu-5.04-* rather than hoary-*
[01:00] <Kamion> meh
[01:00] <mdz> and kubuntu-5.04-* rather than kubuntu-hoary-*
[01:00] <Kamion> no, not too late
[01:00] <Kamion> that's a publish-release thing
[01:00] <mdz> I know, I just meant in terms of your state of mind and time availability ;-)
[01:01] <mdz> apparently you have some time to kill waiting for rsync :-/
[01:01] <Kamion> it doesn't have to be done until tomorrow anyway :)
[01:01] <haggai> lamont_r: reverted kde-i18n uploaded
[01:02] <Kamion> mdz: done (basically, pending baz commit etc.)
[01:02] <mdz> haggai: this one comes with a money-back guarantee, right?
[01:02] <mdz> live-i386 is good
[01:04] <haggai> mdz: well if this one breaks it proves it must be an SEP
[01:05] <haggai> ..somebody..elses..problem..
[01:07] <lamont_r> mdz: anything before I take the 10 minute drive home?
[01:07] <mkedwards> what flags should I be using on rsync again?
[01:07] <mkedwards> just -avP?
[01:07] <mdz> that'll do
[01:07] <mkedwards> mdz: thx
[01:09] <Kamion> mkedwards: -avP's what I use too
[01:10] <mkedwards> more than a little bit faster this time.  :)
[01:10] <ogra_live> mdz, amd64 live is fine here
[01:11] <mdz> install-powerpc success
[01:14] <milli> ...lamont_r really leaves milli's house
[01:15] <diego> i don't mind trying out the current daily livecd if someone is willing to tell me where to get it
[01:15] <mdz> diego: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[01:15] <diego> mdz: ty
[01:17] <Keybuk> meh
[01:17] <doko> copying the packages from the installer CD to the disk makes the CD seek all the time, just slow ... defect CD?
[01:17] <Keybuk> I hate it when you step back and admire some fantastically elegant code
[01:17] <Keybuk> and trip over the huge flaw in it :'(
[01:18] <smurfix> Keybuk: your own code? ;-)
[01:18] <Keybuk> smurfix: of course
[01:18] <mdz> dholbach is a build-depends machine
[01:19] <ogra_live> yeah
[01:19] <mdz> lamont: is kde-i18n building, or do I need to kick something?
[01:19] <Kamion> doko: archive-copier already tries to get all the directory entries into cache first; I've got to the point of ignoring complaints about it unless they come with a full analysis, I'm afraid :(
[01:19] <Kamion> DVD builds done
[01:19] <dholbach> mdz: are those easiest to fix in the 246972469246246 broken packages :-)
[01:19] <Kamion> should anyone have bandwidth
[01:20] <dholbach> mdz: and for hoary we have to act FAST :-)
[01:20] <mdz> I will grab them as soon as my i386 install is finished
[01:20] <mdz> dholbach: indeed we do
[01:20] <mdz> Kamion: are the bandwidth gods still frowning on you?
[01:20] <Kamion> ./hoary-install-amd64.iso
[01:20] <Kamion>    123925512  19%    9.11MB/s    0:00:54
[01:20] <jdub> bizarre, i'm still getting this bad header stuff
[01:20] <mdz> Kamion: so you got the first set and are updating now?
[01:21] <Kamion> mdz: yes
[01:21] <mdz> oh, good
[01:21] <Kamion> rsync is now chewing all my disk bandwidth rather than all my network bandwidth ;)
[01:22] <jdub> although now it's happening intermittently
[01:22] <mdz> jdub: use FTP
[01:22] <jdub> serious bongtasm
[01:22] <seb128_> Kamion, mdz: the i386 install works fine now :)
[01:22] <Kamion> seb128_: *phew*
[01:22] <jdub> mdz: mmm
[01:22] <mdz> Kamion++
[01:22] <Kamion> as I said to mdz, I know how to fix that both ways round for breezy
[01:22] <Kamion> it's just a non-trivial grub-installer patch => not hoary
[01:22] <seb128_> does reverting this change break other configs ?
[01:22] <Kamion> seb128_: yes
[01:22] <seb128_> :(
[01:23] <Kamion> seb128_: but the same bug existed in warty
[01:23] <seb128> k
[01:23] <Kamion> so I'm relatively unbothered about keeping it
[01:23] <mdz> ubuntu boots fine, and windows boot is easily recoverable
[01:23] <Kamion> and it can be fixed by a simple fdisk procedure, which we can document
[01:23] <mdz> (when that bug exhibits itself)
[01:23] <jdub> haggai: (nice xine change :)
[01:24] <seb128> yeah, much better than the bootloader not starting :)
[01:24] <diego> (yay for ipw2200)
[01:24] <Kamion> seb128: I'm not sure why I didn't immediately twig that your boot problem was due to that - I should've done :(
[01:24] <mdz> new driver versions will flow like water after the release, worry not
[01:24] <lamont> mdz: source needs to make it into w-b (and probably the archive) before it will start building...
[01:25] <mdz> lamont: which bit triggers that?
[01:25] <lamont> cron.daily'
[01:25] <mdz> lamont: kicked
[01:26] <seb128> Kamion: bah, don't worry, that's fixed now which is what matter :)
[01:27] <Kamion> lamont: doesn't seem to be locking, but it should finish before :33 I think ...
[01:28] <mdz> lamont: elmo lockified it
[01:29] <mdz> install-i386 success
[01:29] <mdz> that's 6/6 for me
[01:29] <mdz> time to fetch DVDs
[01:30] <Kamion> lamont: btw, any chance you could kill /usr/doc/util-linux and /usr/doc/util-linux-locales at some point?
[01:31] <lamont> kill?
[01:32] <Kamion> the symlinks aren't needed any more
[01:32] <Kamion> per most other packages
[01:33] <Kamion> hmm, except the package doesn't seem to create them any more, odd
[01:33] <Kamion> maybe some old prerm forgot to remove them
[01:34] <lamont> could be
[01:34] <lamont> will deal with it sometime soonish
[01:35] <lamont> you want it for sarge, or just sometime>?
[01:35] <Kamion> no hurry, I just happened to be looking at the junk still in /usr/doc
[01:35] <Kamion> it's not essential for sarge; the transition is loose in that respect
[01:36] <lamont> ok.  I'll at least wait for 2.12p-4 to make it into sarge, or not.  then do the change
[01:36] <diego> what's all this talk about sarge?
[01:36] <lamont> diego: kamion wants a bug fix, I was trying to figure out timing...
[01:37] <Kamion> in a channel with developers who happen to work on multiple projects, sometimes there is crossover talk
[01:37] <lamont> clearly OT for this channel, of course.
[01:37] <diego> ah ok
[01:44] <Kamion> is the OOo web composer thingy not meant to be in the menus any more?
[01:45] <lamont> gah fire call
[01:46] <jdub> Kamion: yeha
[01:46] <seb128> 'night guys
[01:46] <ogra> night seb128 
[01:46] <jdub> night seb128 
[01:49] <mdz> Kamion: with luck, I will be able to complete a DVD test cycle before I go to sleep
[01:55] <Kamion> w00t
[01:56] <Kamion> jdub: was that "yes, it's not" or "yes, it is"? :)
[01:56] <Kamion> go English, it's your birthday
[01:56] <jdub> heh
[01:56] <jdub> "yes/no, it is intended to not be in the menu"
[01:56] <jdub> ;)
[01:56] <Kamion> ok :-)
[01:57] <jdub> (you can use the 'from template' dialogue to start new documents with the weird OOo sub-bits)
[01:57] <ogra> heh
[02:01] <doko> 12 english locales created on a non-english install.
[02:02] <diego> is OOo2 going to stay in hoary?
[02:03] <Kamion> yes, English locales are always created by request of mdz
[02:04] <jdub> diego: it's in universe as a TECHNOLOGY PREVIEW
[02:04] <jdub> ;-)
[02:04] <diego> jdub: cool :)
[02:04] <jdub> i had hoped we'd get beagle in universe as a TECHNOLOGY PREVIEW too, but the mono/beagle dudes keep moving the goalposts
[02:05] <diego> yeah i was hoping that too...why does mono require so much work?
[02:05] <dholbach> jdub: and hula as TECHNOLOGY PREVIEW
[02:05] <dholbach> if someone would review it
[02:05] <thom> hula as MAIL LOSS PREVIEW ;-)
[02:05] <jdub> dholbach: it's not in yet is it-- oh
[02:05] <jdub> thom: hey hey!
[02:06] <jdub> thom: so dcamp was just talking about mod_hula instead of their own internal one
[02:06] <ogra> dholbach, i'll do...together with fast-user and kreciepes
[02:06] <dholbach> we have so many GOOD packages awaiting reviews *cry*
[02:06] <jdub> thom: for the web site
[02:06] <jdub> thom: which sounds like a great move
[02:06] <dholbach> ogra: tritium will be delighted to hear
[02:06] <jdub> thom: but prefork will bite them
[02:06] <Kamion> mdz: installation on a clock-warped machine works fine, apart from warnings from gpg and tar about stuff happening in the future
[02:06] <tritium> dholbach, ogra :)
[02:06] <ogra> dholbach, i promised i'll do before release
[02:06] <Kamion> it's unpacking the second stage now
[02:07] <thom> mod_hula would be cool; i take it there's lots of thready madness if prefork would bite them?
[02:07] <Kamion> the stem of "boot" in Romanian is apparently "porn"
[02:07] <jdub> diego: beagle doesn't work with our current 1.0.5 version, mono 1.0.6 has some problems that would affect other mono programs, we can't feasibly upgrade to 1.1.x (which would be ideal) just yet
[02:07] <Kamion> or similar
[02:07] <thom> jdub: more useful would be lmtp support :-)
[02:07] <jdub> thom: connection pooling to hula server, etc.
[02:07] <jdub> thom: yes!
[02:08] <jdub> thom: that is what i am going to love campd with soon
[02:08] <jdub> thom: unfort, he is like ba baracus, so he won't be coming to the wedding
[02:08] <diego> jdub: yay for incompatibility i suppose
[02:08] <jdub> thom: so we can't get him drunk and convince him that easily
[02:08] <thom> jdub: hahaha
[02:08] <Lathiat> haha
[02:09] <jdub> but man
[02:09] <jdub> hula with postfix and apache doing the rough stuff
[02:09] <jdub> mmm-mmm~
[02:09] <jdub> !
[02:09] <thom> jdub: this is the way it should be
[02:10] <dholbach> doko: i'll do both dances :-)
[02:10] <thom> fabio jeff and mdz doing the warty dance in hula costume!
[02:10] <dholbach> doko: with you on the table and jdub will take pictures - how does that sound?
[02:10] <jdub> thom: mm, 'cos then it's only about as unattractive as, say, cyrus
[02:10] <thom> pluggable imap servers would be nice too; all i really want is non-sucky webmail and calendaring
[02:11] <jdub> then you'd have to have standardised mail storage -> :o
[02:11] <jdub> i wonder how abstract the storage stuff is, whether it's modularised at all
[02:11] <thom> MailStorageProposal!
[02:12] <jdub> ...
[02:12] <doko> hmm, anyone else sees english texts in the gnome panel, when a german locale is selected?
[02:12] <thom> uh, or whatever that wiki page is called
[02:12] <jdub> scott and i have already resolved to bridge the divide between our MTA disagreement and nuke that as heavily as possible
[02:12] <doko> the menu entries are german, but I still see "Applications", "Places", "System"
[02:13] <Keybuk> jdub: indeed, you suck; I'm right :)
[02:13] <jdub> Keybuk: stfu :-)
[02:13] <ogra> doko, its fine here....and was fine on my livecd test 1/2 h ago
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[02:14] <thom> the divide between useful MTAs and qmail!
[02:15] <jdub> Keybuk: how do we begin without saying, "my major objection to this proposal is that it creates a lot of work without having any benefit to anyone or any use case"?
[02:17] <haggai> looks like kde-i18n made it at last
[02:25] <Riddell> jdub: you much of a fan of "Wolverhampton based extreme nu wave metal bands"?
[02:25] <Kamion> *splutter*
[02:25] <Kamion> anything that starts "Wolverhampton based" cannot be that good
[02:26] <Clint> not even the curry?
[02:27] <thom> anything that mentions nu wave metal is on a hiding to nothing too, really :-)
[02:27] <thom> the combination is just doomed :-)
[02:27] <jdub> Riddell: this doesn't have anything to do with jono bacon does it?
[02:28] <Keybuk> yeah, shame the Luftwaffe only got as far as Coventry, really
[02:28] <jdub> haha
[02:29] <doko> Keybuk: don't mention the war ;-)
[02:29] <mdz> Kamion: good news, thanks
[02:29] <mdz> anyone here who is not doing installation+live testing, please begin, kthx
[02:30] <mdz> those of you with DVD burners and some hope of being able to download a DVD ISO in less than 24 hours, please do
[02:30] <Kamion> I will attempt to grab a DVD once the machine with the DVD burner has stopped doing installation testing
[02:30] <diego> how big are the dvd isos? my livecd is just finished as i was typing this
[02:30] <jdub> kamion laughed last month when i asked about rsyncing against the linux magazine dvd ;)
[02:31] <doko> mdz: grabbed 61%
[02:31] <milli> lamont: is there a current DVD ISO on mirror.mmjgroup.com?
[02:31] <Kamion> clock-warped German i386 install finished successfully
[02:31] <dholbach> mdz: downloading
[02:32] <doko> mdz, kamion: are the xhosa strings a good reason for another OOo upload? as an alternative I can put them in a separate source package and just copy the generated files to the binary image.
[02:33] <Kamion> doko: another OOo upload requires another set of CD builds; I'd rather not do that if not absolutely necessary
[02:33] <doko> Kamion: ok
[02:34] <doko> Kamion: so a separate oo-l10n-xh source package is approved?
[02:34] <Riddell> anyone get an e-mail from Manning Publications Co?
[02:35] <ogra> Riddell, yup
[02:36] <Kamion> doko: it's ok by me but it's enough of a hack that I'd like mdz to ok it too
[02:36] <Kamion> it does mean that two source packages build the same binary, which kind of sucks
[02:36] <mdz> Kamion: that requires elmo approval
[02:36] <Kamion> 'k
[02:36] <mdz> I expect it would need to be versioned to supersede any oo.o security  updates
[02:37] <doko> yes, but wouldn't that need require that OOo doesn't build the xh package for security updates anymore?
[02:38] <Kamion> live startup: cardmgr complains "cat: /var/lib/misc/pcmcia-scheme: No such file or directory"
[02:38] <Kamion> apparently cosmetic
[02:44] <Riddell> kde-i18n is in the archive now
[02:45] <Riddell> should the ISOs be generated?
[02:46] <Kamion> will do
[02:47] <diego|food> i'll test out that livecd when i get back
[02:48] <ska-fan> Kamion: now os-prober didnt detect my fedora installs at all
[02:49] <Kamion> ska-fan: bummer. please mail /var/log/installer/*, menu.lst from Fedora, and menu.lst from new Ubuntu install to cjwatson@ubuntu.com
[02:50] <mdz> lamont: kubuntu cloops?
[02:50] <Kamion> mdz: they're building
[02:50] <mdz> ok
[02:50] <elmo> eww
[02:50] <elmo> god damn all this last minuteness sucks
[02:50] <ska-fan> Kamion: are you cjwatson?
[02:51] <Kamion> ska-fan: yes
[02:51] <ska-fan> ok
[02:52] <Kamion> ska-fan: I cannot promise to fix anything before Breezy now
[02:52] <Kamion> live-i386, live-amd64 ok
[02:52] <mdz> doko: for breezy we should split all l10n away from the oo.o source
[02:52] <ska-fan> how many hours are still left? :)
[02:52] <Kamion> ska-fan: about 30
[02:52] <mdz> ska-fan: yeah, about 30
[02:53] <doko> mdz: nice "exercise" :-(
[02:53] <Kamion> but the fewer of those used up by rebuilding images, the better
[02:53] <Kamion> dholbach: doesn't libmysqlclient12 have a different licence from libmysqlclient10?
[02:53] <elmo> doko/mdz/kamion: you can do the two binaries thing if you want; it doesn't break anything except when oo.o gets uploaded for security without being fixed not to build the duplicated package
[02:53] <Kamion> dholbach: I thought I remembered the older libmysqlclient being used quite deliberately in Debian
[02:53] <elmo> it's horrible tho
[02:53] <mdz> elmo,doko: let's worry about it after the release
[02:54] <doko> mdz: let's worry about what?
[02:54] <mdz> doko: oo.o-l10n-xh
[02:54] <mdz> doko: it's a hoary-updates candidate
[02:55] <dholbach> Kamion: erm... license? erm 
[02:55] <doko> mdz: ok, that sounds fine, and I can merge more translations from Adi.
[02:56] <dholbach> Kamion: 50 use mysqlclient12, 60 use mysqlclient10
[02:56] <mdz> Kamion: yes, I remember the same
[02:56] <Kamion> dholbach: as in, much of libmysqlclient12 is GPL, whereas libmysqlclient10 is (AFAICT) just LGPL; thus libmysqlclient12 is more restrictive
[02:56] <mdz> it was a licensing thing
[02:56] <Kamion> dholbach: you guys have already transitioned a lot of stuff to libmysqlclient12
[02:56] <dholbach> Kamion: we do?
[02:56] <Kamion> I'm wondering if anyone actually checked the legality of that, or if it was just "hey, newer version"
[02:57] <elmo> hmm the X keyboard mappings are wrong on my powerbook
[02:57] <dholbach> Kamion: don't remember that much mysql-stuff
[02:57] <crimsun> I never touched libmysqlclient12
[02:57] <crimsun> I left stuff with 10
[02:57] <Kamion> hm, maybe not
[02:58] <dholbach> Kamion: i'll revert qtstalker then
[02:58] <Kamion> ok, sorry, I think I'm misremembering, phew
[02:58] <Kamion> well, check its licence, I haven't :)
[02:58] <dholbach> Kamion: thanks for the "heads up"
[02:58] <Kamion> GPL might be ok
[02:58] <mdz> elmo: that is such a week ago sort of bug
[02:59] <Kamion> I believe that libmysqlclient12 now has an OpenSSL licence exception, which was most of the problem
[02:59] <elmo> mdz: dude, I didn't _have_ my powerbook a week ago
[03:00] <mdz> elmo: details
[03:00] <elmo> little exploding logic board issue sort of renders my testing schedule beyond my control
[03:00] <Kamion> elmo: wuss
[03:00] <jdub> elmo: it's all sorted now?
[03:00] <mdz> doesn't someone else here have a powerbook?
[03:00] <jdub> mdz: all gone
[03:00] <Kamion> yeah, and I don't remember noticing a problem ...
[03:00] <doko> mdz: I do, but the german keyboard layout in X is consistently broken
[03:01] <elmo> kamion: \ | is in the wrong place
[03:01] <mdz> doko: ...
[03:01] <Kamion> elmo: hmm. wrong with respect to what's on the keys, or wrong with respect to what PC keymap <-> brain mapping expects?
[03:01] <doko> elmo: even for UK keyboard?
[03:01] <elmo> kamion: former
[03:01] <elmo> kamion: key marked tilde and back tick is giving me | and \
[03:02] <Kamion> elmo: in that case that's probably the uk vs. mac-usb-uk thing which I reported to smurfix multiple times
[03:02] <elmo> and key marked |\ gives me ~#
[03:02] <ska-fan> Kamion: It's out
[03:02] <Kamion> but I configure my own keymap to be more like PC British anyway, so I tend not to notice :)
[03:02] <ska-fan> Kamion: do you need fdisk -l?
[03:02] <elmo> jdub: yep, all good, and they didn't try to charge me in the end
[03:02] <Kamion> ska-fan: shouldn't think so
[03:02] <Kamion> ska-fan: thanks, will check tomorrow
[03:02] <elmo> kamion: I tend to xmodmap-ize to hell too, I only noticed 'cos this is an hours old install
[03:02] <ska-fan> ok. good night then, and good luck :)
[03:05] <mdz> Kamion: 1:13:40 for hoary-dvd-amd64.iso from concatenated install+live, not too bad
[03:11] <lamont> mdz: back from fire call
[03:11] <lamont> did you burn kubuntu cloops, or still need those?
[03:12] <mdz> they're on the way
[03:12] <lamont> ok
[03:12] <lamont> sorry - was stupid call.  Well, minor anwya
[03:13] <elmo> what's our default dselect-a-like?  and does it do dselect-style install-standard-by-default too?
[03:13] <milli> lamont: is there a current DVD ISO on mirror.mmjgroup.com?
[03:13] <lamont> milli: no
[03:13] <lamont> ENOSPC
[03:14] <lamont> milli: wanna download one for us?
[03:14] <Kamion> elmo: aptitude, and I don't think so
[03:14] <milli> lamont: not a problem... I can put kids in bed while I wait
[03:14] <Kamion> elmo: though depends what you mean by "default", dselect's still there and does install-standard-by-default still
[03:15] <milli> lamont:  on CDimage?
[03:15] <milli> no...  URI please?
[03:15] <lamont> milli: it won't fit on mirror...
[03:15] <lamont> ah.
[03:15] <elmo> kamion: I should fix our priorities then
[03:16] <milli> lamont:  I have space elsewhere
[03:16] <lamont> cdimage.ubuntu.com::cdimage/weekly-dvd/current/hoary.....
[03:16] <Kamion> that's out of date
[03:16] <lamont> are there torrents for the dvds?
[03:16] <lamont> Kamion: figures
[03:16] <lamont> Kamion: ubuntu?
[03:17] <milli> lamont: torrents, yes, I see them
[03:17] <Kamion> there are torrents, but autotorrenting doesn't seem to be working, unless thom/elmo fixed that
[03:17] <lamont> (yet another since the apt/ubunt-docs burn?)
[03:17] <Kamion> so they may not actually be usable
[03:17] <Kamion> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/hoary-dvd-i386.iso
[03:17] <lamont> or just the dvd's aren't current
[03:17] <Kamion> they should be current, I built them after that rebuild
[03:18] <lamont> ah, yes.  http better
[03:18] <mdz> dvd-amd64 live successful
[03:18] <adobbie> why not assemble images using jigdo?
[03:18] <lamont> Kamion: so there hasn't been yet another rebuild since 0200 or so your time?
[03:18] <Kamion> lamont: no
[03:18] <lamont> woot
[03:19] <lamont> and the md5sums match too :-)
[03:19] <zul> heylo
[03:19] <mdz> Kamion: according to thom, elmo can get torrents going at any time by triggering it manually
[03:20] <mdz> it's apparently just the restart which isn't working properly
[03:20] <Kamion> adobbie: DVDs aren't jigdoed at the moment - it takes too damn long
[03:20] <adobbie> I made the two DVD sarge set in 70min :)
[03:20] <adobbie> doesn't take very long imho
[03:21] <elmo> mdz: uh?
[03:21] <adobbie> but jigdo didn't use multiple mirrors for me
[03:21] <adobbie> that would have doubled the speed had it done concurrent across several sources
[03:21] <Kamion> adobbie: I suspect you mean to reconstruct at your end, not to generate on the server
[03:21] <milli> lamont:  Good to go with  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/hoary-dvd-i386.iso then?
[03:21] <adobbie> yes that's what I meant
[03:21] <Kamion> adobbie: I'm talking about the latter, and it takes too damn long
[03:21] <mdz> adobbie: it takes too long to generate the .jigdo files
[03:21] <Kamion> adobbie: unless you're using JTE, which we aren't yet
[03:21] <adobbie> Kamion: too long is how long?
[03:21] <lamont> milli: I think so
[03:21] <Kamion> adobbie: it takes an hour just for our four CDs
[03:22] <milli> lamont:  It would be a 2.7Gig mistake if not
[03:22] <adobbie> Kamion: yeah, that's a pretty long time
[03:22] <lamont> Kamion said he rebuild them.. I think that means they're good
[03:22] <Kamion> adobbie: I haven't even dared to try for DVDs
[03:22] <Kamion> adobbie: hopefully for Breezy we'll switch to JTE, but until then, no
[03:22] <milli> lamont: or a 4.5 hour mistake taken another way
[03:22] <lamont> milli: and a $1 coaster
[03:23] <Kamion> milli: yes, that's the right URL
[03:23] <milli> lamont: k, starting
[03:23] <adobbie> $0.25 coaster :)
[03:23] <lamont> btw, everyone, milli is the neighbor with the bandwidth...
[03:23] <Kamion> milli: you're providing a valuable service to our development team, indirectly :)
[03:24] <milli> :)
[03:24] <mdz> GAH
[03:24] <mdz> hoary-dvd-amd64 install failed
[03:24] <mdz> package-cache-names segfault
[03:24] <Kamion> uh?
[03:24] <Kamion> I guess I'll grab that one first, then :(
[03:25] <Kamion> you sure you're current? check archive-copier version please
[03:25] <mdz> Kamion: doing so
[03:25] <lamont> so how do I boot with 8-bit color?
[03:26] <mdz> Kamion: 0.1.4
[03:26] <mdz> (current)
[03:26] <Kamion> mdz: sigh
[03:27] <daniels> lamont: why do you want to?
[03:27] <lamont> really need a new monitor for the test box
[03:27] <lamont> daniels: because the poor thing can only do 680x400 or whatever the last one is, at 24-bit
[03:27] <ogra> hey, hwdb.ubuntu.com just got its 5000th submission ...
[03:27] <daniels> wow
[03:28] <lamont> daniels: it claims to be a "Video Graphics Color Display" :-)
[03:28] <daniels> lamont: yes, and I've seen many video cards that claim to be 'good'
[03:28] <mdz> ogra: nice
[03:28] <lamont> yeah
[03:29] <ogra> :-D
[03:29] <mdz> Kamion: can we pad the Packages file with a newline or something to work around the bug? ;-)
[03:29] <lamont> daniels: curiosity aroused, I see that it was manufactured in June of 1990.  were you even born yet? :-)
[03:30] <daniels> lamont: hah, watch it (for the record, yes)
[03:30] <lamont> heh
[03:32] <elmo> Kamion: did you move files around in the torrent view of cdimage ata ll?
[03:32] <lamont> daniels: I think I bought that with the 386 that I got right after I got married...
[03:32] <Kamion> elmo: yes, separated install and live out to make it easier to avoid clobbering in publish-release
[03:33] <Kamion> in some places anyway
[03:33] <elmo> Kamion: when was this?
[03:33] <Kamion> Disconnecting: Timeout, server not responding.
[03:33] <Kamion> royal finished at Thu Apr  7 02:24:03 BST 2005
[03:33] <Kamion> lamont: ?
[03:33] <Kamion> elmo: around RC
[03:34] <lamont> Kamion: yes?
[03:35] <mdz> Kamion: the last package-cache-names bug only exhibited itself on amd64, right?
[03:36] <lamont> Kamion: Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file
[03:36] <Kamion> mdz: by pure chance
[03:36] <lamont> that's the closest thing to any error, and it's in all of them.
[03:36] <Kamion> mdz: I can reproduce this one on powerpc by copying the Packages files
[03:36] <mdz> I suppose it's worth finishing the download anyway
[03:36] <Kamion> mdz: and I'm currently debugging
[03:36] <lamont> Kamion: anything more before I see what my wife wants me to do now?
[03:37] <mdz> Kamion: DVD for i386-only, if it happens to work, would not be an unreasonable strategy at this point
[03:37] <Kamion> lamont: so is royal's cloop up to date?
[03:37] <Kamion> lamont: oh, crap, I switched from wireless to wired on the laptop; that'd do it
[03:38] <milli> lamont: no luck getting transfer of hoary-dvd-i386.iso to start.. it hangs
[03:39] <infinity> lamont : That's purely cosmetic.  If Debian's fontconfig maintainer doesn't do it, I'll shut up fontconfig's "my postinst hasn't run yet, help!" whining for breezy.
[03:41] <lamont> Kamion: royal's kubuntu cloop is current
[03:41] <lamont> ubuntu is also current, albeit from hours ago
[03:41] <milli> infinity:  beware of fontconfig 2.3.1, it turned my fonts ugly on me (sid box) because of <dir> changes in /etc/fonts/fonts.conf
[03:41] <diego> well i'm testing the livecd. everything looks pretty good except the scroll buttons on my synaptics touchpad are not working (they are acting like left-clicks)
[03:42] <Robot101> milli: see my blog :)
[03:43] <Robot101> milli: I fixed that shizzle
[03:43] <diego> would anyone care about this issue at this point?
[03:43] <milli> Robot101: It had me in a tizzy for half a day.  It was a MAJOR annoyance.
[03:44] <milli> diego: I have synaptics on this Stinkpad T40, so I would care.  ;-)
[03:45] <diego> milli: who should i be talking to about this?
[03:47] <diego> good thing i can "install" packages on the livecd. what would i do without cowsay? :)
[03:47] <milli> diego: per 'apt-cache show'...Maintainer: Mattia Dongili (ma.d.) <dongili@supereva.it>
[03:49] <diego> milli, should i e-mail him or is he here?
[03:53] <Kamion> mdz: looks like sticking two extra newlines on the end of restricted/binary-*/Packages* would do it - but God, how ugly. and if anyone ever produces an image with main,restricted,universe on, that "fix" would break them.
[03:54] <Kamion> or would it ... perhaps not
[03:54] <mdz> Kamion: it would definitely break them, or only if their packages file is an unlucky multiple of bytes long?
[03:54] <milli> diego: no idea if he's here.  I would say file a bug in bugs.debian.org, but Xorg stuff isn't even there yet, so bugzilla.ubuntu.com would be the place to file a bug.  But this is really an #ubuntu question.
[03:55] <diego> milli, heh
[03:55] <diego> mdz, any suggestions as to who i need to talk to?
[03:56] <mdz> diego: search bugzilla; it's a known issue that we can't fix without breaking other things
[03:56] <mdz> iirc
[03:56] <diego> also another question: the screen saver just came on the livecd but i couldn't unlock the screen without knowing the password (i had to set it first in tty1). what is supposed to happen?
[03:56] <mdz> different pointing devices assign their buttons differently
[03:56] <Kamion> mdz: would definitely break them
[03:56] <milli> diego:  Looks like bug #6361 is what you found
[03:57] <mdz> diego: what did you expect to happen?
[03:57] <Kamion> I'm currently trying to understand why it only breaks in this situation
[03:57] <diego> ah ok regarding the mouse
[03:57] <milli> diego:  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6361
[03:57] <diego> mdz, i was hoping to be able to unlock the screen with an empty password
[03:57] <mdz> the only reasonable consensus we had about locking on the live CD was that it should be disabled entirely, if anything
[03:57] <mdz> diego: then it wouldn't be locked
[03:57] <diego> mdz, well it just locked the screen...
[03:58] <diego> the screen saver came on and it locked the screen automatically
[03:58] <mdz> diego: I know exactly what it does; it's a bug, a minor one, already reported in bugzilla
[03:58] <lamont> diego: didn't lock here when it went to screensaver
[03:58] <diego> uh..i'll refrain from using the computer for a couple minutes and see if it does it again
[03:59] <mdz> it definitely puts you in a bad situation if you select 'lock screen' from the menu
[03:59] <mdz> or close the lid
[03:59] <diego> ohh yeah..i closed the lid :P
[03:59] <lamont> diego: and (of course?) the work around is ctl-alt-f2; sudo passwd ubuntu; ... ctl-alt-f7
[03:59] <mdz> "then don't do that" is the only answer for now
[03:59] <diego> lamont, right, just did that :)
[03:59] <mdz> I acknowledge that it's wrong behaviour, but it wasn't straightforward to do anything about it in the time available
[04:00] <cartel_> hey all
[04:00] <cartel_> quick word to the wise.. reportbug appears to be sending reports to debian bts
[04:00] <cartel_> someone may want to patch it to go to ubuntu bts
[04:00] <Kamion> we patched it not to go to Debian ages ago ...
[04:00] <lamont> cartel_: taht'd be bug #1080
[04:01] <mdz> lamont: no, that's about bug-buddy
[04:01] <mdz> cartel_: as Kamion says, it is already patched to do that
[04:01] <diego> well this computer seems to be working fine other than those 2 known issues. going to try the other one now
[04:01] <lamont> oh
[04:03] <mdz> are the kubuntu cloops done?
[04:03] <cartel_> hmm
[04:03] <Kamion> yes, I just started kubuntu-daily-live
[04:03] <mdz> ok, thanks
[04:07] <dholbach> lamont: yeah!
[04:07] <milli> lamont:  Ok, no worky on the DVD ISO download, are there CD ISOs on mirror.mmjgroup.com?
[04:08] <dholbach> ok pals, i'm off to bed - see you for the countdown
[04:08] <ogra> mdz, whats the deadline for universe ? release announcement ?
[04:08] <mdz> ogra: what did your team decide?
[04:08] <mdz> ogra: anytime before we close the archive should be OK
[04:09] <mdz> dholbach: night
[04:09] <ogra> mdz, thats what i meant, when do you close ?
[04:09] <mdz> ogra: when we bless the ISOs and announce, I guess
[04:09] <mdz> I hadn't thought about it much since elmo implemented the approval system
[04:10] <ogra> ok, so announcement will be our deadline then... dholbach, ok with you ?
[04:10] <milli> lamont:  nevermind, found them
[04:10] <dholbach> ok
[04:10] <dholbach> any ETA already?
[04:11] <ogra> 24-30h ?
[04:11] <ogra> mdz ? ^
[04:11] <dholbach> alright
[04:11] <mdz> dholbach: sometime around 0800 UTC 2005-04-08
[04:11] <mdz> perhaps up to a few hours earlier
[04:12] <dholbach> ok
[04:12] <ogra> night dholbach :)
[04:12] <dholbach> ogra: then we should get a move on with krecipes and hula
[04:12] <dholbach> so elmo can push them in
[04:13] <ogra> tomorrow i'll go through the review list top to bottom ...
[04:13] <dholbach> sounds good
[04:13] <dholbach> ok... see you all, bye mdz 
[04:14] <ogra> night all
[04:17] <diego> livecd worked fine on my desktop (nforce2 mobo w/ athlon xp processor and geforce4 video card)
[04:18] <mdz> thanks
[04:18] <diego> my usb stick takes like 1-2 minutes to be mounted...known issue?
[04:22] <jdub> install+live fine on my i386 and powerpc test machines, though i still can't figure out the keyboard selector ;)
[04:22] <Kamion> sigh. ok, archive-copier fix in baz.
[04:23] <Kamion> one-liner
[04:24] <lamont> Kamion: so we document how to turn off archive-copier on the dvd in the errata sheet?
[04:24] <Kamion> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/archive-copier.segfault.diff
[04:24] <Kamion> let me check which images are affected
[04:24] <lamont> damn asterisks
[04:25] <Kamion> if we need to rebuild for some other reason, we *must* include that fix; if I'm correct, it affects images where the combined size of the uncompressed main+restricted Packages files == 3 mod 4
[04:25] <lamont> weee hoooo!!!!!   IT"S ROULETTE TIME!!
[04:26] <mpt> That's better odds than the Russian version
[04:26] <lamont> mpt: the idea is to _MISS_
[04:27] <Kamion> which now leaves me confused as to why hoary-install-powerpc worked for mdz
[04:27] <mpt> oh, details
[04:27] <Kamion> 996287
[04:28] <mdz> Kamion: confirm 996287 on my powerpc iso
[04:28] <mdz> but it did in fact install successfully
[04:28] <Kamion> hm, maybe I mean == 1 mod 4
[04:29] <Kamion> or maybe not; sod it, it's an overflow, anything could happen
[04:30] <mdz> Kamion: if you've got another test cycle in you during the next 12 hours, we can roll another set
[04:30] <Kamion> I've run the fixed archive-copier through valgrind
[04:30] <Kamion> it's happy (much happier than before, certainly)
[04:30] <mdz> since everything should be identical except archive-copier, we should be able to retrieve everything (including DVDs) quickly
[04:31] <Kamion> alright, I have coffee
[04:31] <jsgotangco> greetings
[04:32] <mdz> Kamion: sleep might be a better option than coffee; I can drive a round of tests and have an image waiting for you in your morning
[04:32] <Kamion> mdz: I'm not going to sleep when stuff is this broken anyway
[04:33] <Kamion> as in I won't sleep usefully if I try
[04:33] <Kamion> archive-copier 0.1.5 uploaded
[04:33] <mdz> did you sneak it in before cron.daily? I suppose not
[04:33] <Kamion> sadly not
[04:34] <Kamion> well, not the cron.unchecked before cron.daily
[04:34] <mdz> elmo: if you're around, mind kicking cron.daily?
[04:34] <Kamion> mdz: it'll need approval anyway ...
[04:35] <mdz> you're doing that already, no?
[04:35] <lamont> Kamion: this means new di yes?
[04:35] <lamont> but not new livecd?
[04:35] <Kamion> mdz: yeah, will do
[04:35] <Kamion> lamont: neither
[04:35] <lamont> woot
[04:35] <Kamion> archive-copier is not in the initrd
[04:36] <mdz> yay for modularity
[04:36] <mdz> the lowest setting on this fan is not low enough
[04:37] <lamont> Kamion: on the down side, there are boatloads of universe packages queued on the buildds, and they're taken 5 at a time.  On the good side, 90% of the packages build in < 1 minute
[04:37] <lamont> and if we really lose, I'll kill whatever's in theway
[04:37] <lamont> Kamion: cron.hourly runs at :35
[04:37] <lamont> so I think that's a yes.
[04:39] <Kamion> installed, kicked cron.daily again
[04:41] <lamont> amd64:Total 214 package(s) in state Needs-Build.
[04:41] <lamont> i386:Total 105 package(s) in state Needs-Build.
[04:41] <lamont> powerpc:Total 172 package(s) in state Needs-Build.
[04:41] <lamont> and all the non-universe stuff is really PaS
[04:41] <lamont> (3,2,6)
[04:46] <mdz> elmo: awake?
[04:46] <mdz> elmo: it doesn't look like you uploaded moin1.3 to hoary
[04:47] <blahrus> just wondering guys, is there going to be a way to upgrade from warty to hoary?
[04:47] <diego> blahrus: yes.
[04:47] <Kamion> blahrus: same way as people have been upgrading from one Debian release to the next for years
[04:48] <blahrus> sorry :( moved from fedora to ubuntu
[04:48] <elmo> mdz: fuck.  sorry.   is it too late?
[04:48] <lamont> archive-copier uploaded
[04:48] <Kamion> moin isn't on the CD, so I shouldn't think so
[04:48] <mdz> elmo: we're doing one more build cycle to fix archive-copier, so no
[04:48] <mdz> it'd be on the DVD though
[04:48] <lamont> x3
[04:48] <elmo> mdz: what seed should it be in?
[04:48] <Kamion> blahrus: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[04:48] <mdz> elmo: supported
[04:49] <mdz> speaking of upgrade notes, we should publish the release notes on the website someplace
[04:49] <blahrus> Kamion, so this is doable now . . . 
[04:50] <Kamion> should be
[04:50] <daniels> blahrus: yes, but probably more of a #ubuntu topic of discussion
[04:50] <diego> mdz: "We are in fact planning a simplified upgrade tool for the Ubuntu 5.10 release" --you. did this ever get made?
[04:50] <CarlK> so is it "Release To Manufacturing" or still  RC?
[04:50] <mdz> diego: the Ubuntu 5.10 release will be in October 2005
[04:50] <blahrus> Kamion, i am running hoary on my laptop now, but my desktop (amd64) I am not becuase there was a issue with the kernel and my sound card
[04:50] <mdz> I wrote that comment a few hours ago
[04:50] <diego> mdz: oh my bad. read too fast for my own good
[04:51] <diego> i'm so worthless heh
[04:51] <Kamion> CarlK: still RC
[04:51] <Kamion> although, I should pre-publish the images for releases.ubuntu.com rsyncability
[04:51] <CarlK> ok - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/ is still right 
[04:51] <mdz> Kamion: i386 DVD survived archive-copier, fwiw
[04:51] <mdz> doing a test install with it now
[04:51] <Kamion> CarlK: yeah, release proper won't be until Friday morning
[04:52] <Kamion> mdz: my amd64 DVD's at 31% ...
[04:52] <mdz> I should be less than an hour away from the powerpc dvd iso, to complete the set
[04:58] <diego> why is https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge on the wiki not publicly viewable?
[04:58] <mdz> there is no sarge from which to upgrade, as yet
[04:58] <mdz> so its contents wouldn't be relevant anyway
[04:58] <mdz> but to answer your question, I don't know
[04:58] <diego> heh, granted
[05:01] <CarlK> so there may be a new .torrent between now and Fri?
[05:02] <mdz> CarlK: there definitely will be
[05:02] <mdz> unless something goes horribly wrong
[05:02] <CarlK> k - I was going to setup a few seeds... I'll stand by
[05:02] <CarlK> lol
[05:04] <mdz> Kamion: i386 dvd install was successful
[05:04] <mdz> powerpc isn't here yet, but so far archive-copier is our only outstanding issue
[05:05] <Kamion> ok, pre-publishing ubuntu-5.04-release-*-*.* to releases.ubuntu.com/.pool/
[05:05] <Kamion> did sabdfl say he was happy with those filenames BTW?
[05:07] <mdz> Kamion: haven't discussed them with him
[05:07] <mdz> any reason to have -release- since we'll only be publishing one set of ubuntu-5.04-* ?
[05:08] <Kamion> well, it's what we did for warty (warty-release-*)
[05:08] <mdz> that's because we wanted to differentiate from warty-foo-bar.iso, of which we produced many
[05:08] <Kamion> and it will make the script even more unreasonably complicated to special-case that out :)
[05:08] <Kamion> in future I expect we'll have ubuntu-5.10-preview-*, ubuntu-5.10-rc-*, ubuntu-5.10-release-*
[05:09] <mdz> I don't think I would mind ubuntu-5.10-preview, ubuntu-5.10-rc and "ubuntu-5.10"
[05:09] <mdz> but if it's unnecessarily complicated, I can live with ubuntu-5.04-release-*
[05:10] <Kamion> although I guess I can take it out actually, there is some provision for an empty status
[05:10] <Kamion> let me try
[05:11] <CarlK> I would recomend -release- because it is definitive, as where ubuntu-5.10 is open to confusion 
[05:12] <fabbione> morning
[05:12] <Kamion> CarlK: that was my original reasoning, certainly
[05:12] <Kamion> we have had confusion before
[05:12] <Kamion> mdz: I can do either
[05:12] <CarlK> where in the world is it morning?
[05:13] <diego> i agree with CarlK on this...i'd like some quick way of distinguishing release from preview, daily, and rc builds
[05:13] <CarlK> Romania? 
[05:13] <Kamion> CarlK: that would be Denmark; fabbione gets up early
[05:14] <CarlK> or really late... ;)
[05:14] <fabbione> CarlK: no.. really early :)
[05:15] <fabbione> Kamion: i guess you did build another set of CD since 8 hours ago
[05:15] <Kamion> fabbione: yeah
[05:15] <Kamion> there's another one coming, but very small diff
[05:15] <fabbione> Kamion: ok.
[05:16] <fabbione> i will get ready to brun in the meantime
[05:16] <Kamion> fabbione: grab this one, there's more of it
[05:16] <Kamion> diff-wise
[05:16] <Kamion> Ubuntu install CD builds running
[05:17] <daniels> it's morning-ish in Western Australia
[05:17] <fabbione> Kamion: i already have install here.. 
[05:17] <fabbione> DVD is rsyincing
[05:18] <mdz> Kamion: ubuntu-5.04-<arch>.iso is preferable, then
[05:18] <mdz> fabbione: rsyncing from an old DVD, or from concatenated live+install?  I think the latter may be faster
[05:19] <mdz> fabbione: we are going to have to build one more set of images btw
[05:19] <Kamion> mdz: ubuntu-5.04-{install,live}-<arch>.iso rather
[05:19] <mdz> Kamion: er, right
[05:19] <Kamion> mdz: I have to say I agree with CarlK too, but ok, will do
[05:22] <fabbione> mdz: just from the old one...
[05:24] <mdz> Kamion: I'm not unshakably opposed to -release-, especially if sabdfl prefers it
[05:24] <lamont> fire call
[05:24] <mdz> Kamion: the s/hoary/ubuntu-5.04/ is what I'm interested in
[05:24] <jnc> friendly reminder,  OpenOffice is still broken for printing on amd64 
[05:24] <mdz> jnc: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[05:24] <Kamion> mdz: did you concatenate live+install or install+live?
[05:24] <mdz> we're in the final stages of release preparation here; bugs which are only mentioned on IRC will probably be forgotten
[05:24] <Kamion> install+live is going pretty slowly here
[05:25] <mdz> Kamion: live+install
[05:25] <mdz> mkisofs sorts the directories
[05:25] <mdz> and /casper comes before /pool
[05:25] <Kamion> meh, ok
[05:25] <jnc> mdz: already filed
[05:25] <Kamion> mdz: I'll check with Mark later
[05:26] <infinity> jnc : Bug#?
[05:26] <Kamion> jnc: sorry, but it's unlikely that anything more is going to get fixed
[05:26] <Kamion> for hoary
[05:26] <jnc> infinity: 6762
[05:26] <mdz> Kamion: archive-copier is in, for release architectures
[05:26] <|QuaD-> when is development on breezy starting (or has it already)?
[05:26] <jnc> i figure printing, would be a pretty important thing to have working.
[05:26] <Kamion> mdz: 04:16 < Kamion> Ubuntu install CD builds running
[05:27] <mdz> |QuaD-: it'll start after hoary is out; we're all busy with hoary right now
[05:27] <mdz> Kamion: ok
[05:27] <mdz> Kamion: I think install+live should work as well, fwiw
[05:27] <mdz> but live+install gives pretty immediate feedback of the savings
[05:27] <elmo> Kamion: your scripts are already ignoring ia64, right?
[05:27] <Kamion> elmo: yes
[05:27] <mdz> I get about 23% very quickly
[05:27] <elmo> ok, good
[05:28] <daniels> elmo: so, what's the process for inter-source-package migration of binary packages?
[05:28] <mdz> Kamion: hmm, would have been better to do live first, since they're faster
[05:28] <elmo> daniels: inter-what-now?
[05:28] <daniels> elmo: (assuming, hypothetically, that xfonts-*, xspecs, and xterm get kicked the fuck out of xorg into their own source packages)
[05:28] <Kamion> mdz: live doesn't need to be rebuilt for this
[05:28] <elmo> daniels: just do it?
[05:28] <Kamion> it does not use archive-copier
[05:28] <mdz> Kamion: er, right, heh
[05:28] <daniels> elmo: cool
[05:29] <fabbione> daniels: i will tell you later.. i did for apache once already
[05:29] <daniels> fabbione: there aren't any strict version deps or anything, they don't need to all go in in the same katieday
[05:29] <daniels> just wondering if elmo needed to do anything with overrides or whatever
[05:29] <mdz> Kamion: so {ubuntu,kubuntu}-{install,dvd}
[05:29] <Kamion> mdz: right
[05:30] <mdz> it looks like kubuntu has gone home, though
[05:30] <jnc> Kamion: if i thought it could wait, i wouldn't mention it outside of bugzilla.  openoffice not being able to pick up cups printers and print, that says to me "oh, yeah you should let the devs know about that"  for amd64 :)
[05:30] <mdz> hopefully they won't discover any new problems tomorrow
[05:30] <Kamion> none of those are particularly faster than the others; I'll do Ubuntu first since, as you say, few Kubuntu people are awake
[05:30] <infinity> jnc : Are you the same jnc who owns the problematic LJ1012? :)
[05:30] <jnc> infinity: aye
[05:30] <Kamion> jnc: time-based releases mean that sometimes, some bugs just have to stay there, unfortunately
[05:30] <Kamion> jnc: it might be a candidate for hoary-updates if the fix is sufficiently simple and obvious
[05:31] <infinity> jnc : As Kamion stated, we're just too short on time to fix it before hoary comes out, but I do feel your pain, having worked with your other printer issues too (have you considered just throwing away the printer entirely and going paperless? :))
[05:32] <jnc> infinity: well, the 1012 is working okay now thanks to the gs-esp patch
[05:32] <jnc> infinity: but the OpenOffice print problem applies to _all_ amd64 users
[05:32] <infinity> jnc ; Yeah, I see that.  Hence Kamion's coment about hoary-updates.  That's about the best anyone can do this late in the game.
[05:32] <Lathiat> whens the next i386 rebuild goign to finish? (or has it?)
[05:32] <Lathiat> (install)
[05:33] <jnc> infinity: whenever it gets released, that's fine.   whom should i work with to resolve the problem?
[05:33] <Kamion> Lathiat: guessing ~40 minutes
[05:33] <Lathiat> Kamion: thanks
[05:33] <jnc> i understand y'all are very busy. do i wait for more words on that bugzilla report, or work with someone actively now
[05:33] <infinity> jnc : Well, the bug log claims Mithrandir may know the cause (and it's also assigned to him).  I wouldn't bug him until after we release, though.
[05:33] <jnc> roger that. :)
[05:34] <jnc> thanks for your feedback, folks
[05:34] <infinity> jnc : Glad to see the gs-esp patch worked for you.  I'll see if someone feels the patch is worthy of inclusion in a later update.  Otherwise, switching to the other gs is a reasonable workaround to suggest to other owners of the same printer.
[05:35] <jnc> it stuck out in my mind if i was releasing something that was going to be pressed onto CDs, i'd want the big applications installed by default to work 
[05:35] <jnc> for the most part they do, it's amd64 where many hoary experimenters have seen nonfunctional printing
[05:35] <jnc> just for OpenOffice, everything else works great
[05:36] <Kamion> we have a tradeoff here between releasing stuff with some known breakage, and ... not releasing :)
[05:36] <jnc> i see
[05:36] <jnc> it is time to shoot the engineers and release the product?
[05:36] <Kamion> since apparently nobody's understood this bug well enough to post a patch, it's not something we can really delay for
[05:36] <fabbione> Kamion: let's stop the release! :P
[05:37] <Kamion> whether the bug is understood in that sense has considerable bearing on what we do
[05:37] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[05:37] <diego> wouldn't it have been better to be where it is right now but a month away from the release date? mmm...QA++
[05:38] <jnc> Kamion: where i'm confused is that it used to work.  rolling back to a previous version is not a suitable solution?
[05:38] <diego> did the release schedule work as planned or did it fall behind?
[05:38] <Kamion> diego: you can never have too much QA ... but we do have to draw the line somewhere
[05:38] <Kamion> jnc: that would also roll back all other bugfixes made in the interim; no
[05:38] <jnc> Kamion: i agree, i do not understand this problem enough to diagnose it.  OO is huge and complicated
[05:38] <jsgotangco> take it to the limit!
[05:38] <Kamion> and doing that for one architecture is an ugly can of worms
[05:39] <Kamion> diego: we delayed by two days (announced some time back) to allow extra testing of GNOME 2.10.1, but otherwise we're pretty much on track
[05:40] <Kamion> although we are kind of burning through our slack time at the moment :-/
[05:40] <diego> Kamion: i see :/
[05:40] <Kamion> but nothing to worry about yet
[05:41] <diego> Kamion: it seems like i got pretty shafted but overall it looks good
[05:41] <jnc> with everyone so busy, are you short on help?
[05:41] <jsgotangco> i want to ask a dumb question and it may have been answered in the list but why are we targetting 2.10.1?
[05:41] <mdz> any non-trivial piece of software contains at least one bug
[05:41] <mdz> Ubuntu, being a collection of a large number of non-trivial pieces of software, is guaranteed to contain a large number of bugs :-)
[05:41] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[05:42] <diego> mdz: and how is ubuntu not trivial?
[05:42] <mdz> the best we can do is to fix the truly severe ones before release
[05:42] <jsgotangco> fix the ones that affect the most number of users aye
[05:42] <Kamion> diego: in what way did you get shafted?
[05:43] <Kamion> jsgotangco: because 2.10.1 is a bug-fix release, and much of the stuff in it is stuff we've already had reported between preview and release
[05:43] <jnc> mdz: so i can get a prespective, what is more severe than OpenOffice not printing on the amd64 arch?  just curious, i am sure there is a more serious bug and i would like to know
[05:43] <mdz> Kamion: iirc, diego has a bad time with ipw2200
[05:43] <Kamion> jsgotangco: we've chosen to tie ourselves quite closely to the GNOME release schedule, so it makes sense to take their bug-fix releases
[05:43] <jsgotangco> ahh
[05:43] <mdz> jnc: you cannot think of a more serious bug than that, really?
[05:43] <diego> Kamion: as i've previously discussed OT-ily (mdz, this means close your ears), the intel ipw2200 wifi bug that makes me drop my connection every now and then, and my thumb drive only sometimes works and even then with a long delay
[05:43] <Kamion> jnc: for example, Ubuntu not installing is more severe
[05:43] <Kamion> diego: ah, OK
[05:43] <jnc> Kamion: ah, dig it.
[05:44] <Kamion> jnc: the re-spin we're doing right now is for exactly such a problem
[05:44] <jnc> mdz: earlier i observed a few devs plotting out with graphs and charts or something, maybe i misread into it.   it was the purpose of shaving off a few seconds from boot up time
[05:45] <Kamion> jnc: somebody asked about boot time, and folks responded
[05:45] <Kamion> jnc: all the actual work there was done months ago; people haven't been working on it today or anything
[05:45] <jnc> you are all doing a wonderful part in this project which end users benefit from
[05:46] <jnc> thank you
[05:46] <lamont> back
[05:46] <Kamion> you're welcome
[05:47] <mdz> Kamion: my heart skips a beat when I see "CD2" scroll by in the log ;-)
[05:47] <jnc> i am used to Gentoo developers, it is good for me to ask questions and understand how Ubuntu development works during a release cycle, thanks again :)
[05:48] <diego> what jnc is saying goes for me too, i'm just too big of an ass to type it :)
[05:49] <lamont> nacl
[05:49] <lamont> back, even
[05:52] <Kamion> mdz: yes :)
[05:58] <fabbione> Kamion: sorry.. i got lost in the noise.. are the new CD ready for rsync?
[05:58] <Kamion> fabbione: not yet
[05:58] <fabbione> ok thanks
[05:59] <Kamion> building powerpc
[06:02] <mdz> Kamion: eek, jigdo imploded
[06:03] <Kamion> mdz: it always does that on powerpc :-/
[06:03] <Kamion> I've been meaning to report it
[06:03] <Kamion> and/or check whether the result works
[06:03] <mdz> hmm, neither thom nor elmo are around to kick the torrents
[06:04] <SuperLag> Gentoo has rc-status to see which services are running... is there something equivalent in Ubuntu?
[06:04] <daniels> ps auxww
[06:05] <SuperLag> it's weird... my hard drive light is solid
[06:05] <SuperLag> and has been for this entire install
[06:07] <diego> hdd party?
[06:07] <Kamion> new Ubuntu install CDs up, DVDs building
[06:08] <lamont> ubuntu hits 2x #2 on the 1-month stats from distrowatch
[06:08] <lamont> and it's not even next week yet
[06:08] <SuperLag> lamont: I thought it was #1
[06:09] <lamont> SuperLag: it is
[06:09] <lamont> on 1-, 3-, and 6- month lists
[06:09] <lamont> but #2 now has 1/2 the average-daily-hits as Ubuntu
[06:10] <lamont> although rank 2-4 have more combined hits than #1. :-)
[06:10] <diego> lamont: got a colorful graph?
[06:10] <lamont> http://distrowatch.com/stats.php?section=popularity
[06:10] <lamont> not really a graph, mind you
[06:11] <diego> i'm disappointed then
[06:11] <lamont> not my site, either
[06:12] <lamont> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=current#1
[06:12] <diego> i did not know mandrake was so popular...weird
[06:15] <lamont> it's skewed stats
[06:15] <jsgotangco> its about hits right?
[06:19] <blahrus> Mithrandir: you around?
[06:20] <mdz> rsyncing
[06:21] <lamont> jsgotangco: yes
[06:21] <Lathiat> bleh to 30K/s rsync
[06:21] <lamont> mdz: new install CD, or dvd?
[06:21] <Lathiat> 0406.1-0406.2 seems to be rsncing alot slower than 0405-0406.1 did
[06:21] <milli> I have tried to wget, lftp and bt the hoary-dvd-i386.iso, I get no bit flow.  Is there a problem?
[06:22] <mdz> lamont: 3xinstall, 3xDVD
[06:22] <lamont> woot
[06:22] <Kamion> mdz: I'm now basically just waiting for stuff to download, so I'm going to bed for a bit; back, er, at some point
[06:22] <Kamion> lamont: DVDs not done yet
[06:22] <Lathiat> milli: its usually a file size issue
[06:22] <mdz> I was up to date before this build, so it should be relatively quick
[06:22] <lamont> Kamion: ok
[06:22] <milli> wget --ignore-size gives same results
[06:22] <mdz> Kamion: ok, night
[06:22] <Kamion> mdz: you might want to kick off cron.kubuntu-daily followed by cron.kubuntu-dvd once the current build is finished
[06:22] <milli> lamont: Can I rsync it?
[06:22] <mdz> milli: bittorrent is a bit flaky, http works fine, rsync works fine
[06:23] <Lathiat> more work less bashing :)
[06:23] <fabbione> hitting ctrl+c in the wrong xterm is stupid
[06:23] <lamont> milli: I turned back on the bwlimit on the m.m.c's cronjob, too :-)
[06:23] <daniels> fabbione: d'oh :\
[06:24] <lamont> fabbione: and painful
[06:24] <fabbione> daniels: i killed the DVD rsync right at the end of it :)
[06:24] <daniels> heh
[06:25] <fabbione> and 2.6.12_2.6.10.90-1 is finally building
[06:25] <milli> lamont:  thanks, I need my bandwidth back to play first-person shooter games after today (at my work) :-)
[06:25] <fabbione> hopefully this is the last one that stops due to insane debian/rules
[06:25] <Lathiat> ww
[06:33] <daniels> lamont: the Binary part of the xorg .changes is now a mere 1790 characters
[06:35] <lamont> daniels: wow, only 1.8* bigger than the mailer likes... :-)
[06:36] <daniels> lamont: oh, I'm not done yet
[06:36] <lamont> woot
[06:37] <fabbione> when are we going to open breezy uploads?
[06:37] <lamont> not this week...
[06:37] <fabbione> of course
[06:37] <lamont> but dunno
[06:37] <lamont> plans are to play with gcc-4.0 first, but I haven't been dragged into that yet...
[06:38] <lamont> will pester folks tomorrow after they've slept, I figure.
[06:38] <lamont> doh.  this channel... thought we were in #u-k for a sec
[06:39] <fabbione> ehehe
[06:39] <fabbione> good night lamont
[06:40] <lamont> g'night
[06:44] <daniels> night lamont
[06:49] <diego> gn all
[06:52] <mdz> amd64 CD install successful
[06:53] <mdz> powerpc and i386 in progress
[06:53] <blahrus> mdz: still having issues with current amd64 kernel and my sound card.
[06:53] <mdz> blahrus: have you opened a bug in bugzilla?
[06:54] <mdz> that is all there is to be done about it at this point
[06:54] <blahrus> mdz: yea
[06:54] <blahrus> 8696
[06:55] <blahrus> the kernel from warty works fine, then I upgraded to hoary
[06:55] <fabbione> blahrus: you have been asked to do another test.. did you do it?
[06:55] <fabbione> if so please add the info to the bug
[06:56] <fabbione> today this chan is very busy for release
[06:56] <jsgotangco> wee
[06:57] <Lathiat> i386-install finished yet?
[06:57] <fabbione> i386 install running here now
[06:57] <Lathiat> the new build?
[06:57] <fabbione> yes
[06:57] <Lathiat> cheers
[06:58] <blahrus> fabbione: I assume he means like the cable on the back of the speaker, or is there some program he is talking about
[06:59] <fabbione> blahrus: the mixer
[06:59] <fabbione> plus it's not a mortal sin to ask info back if you are not sure how to do something, just do it in the bug please
[06:59] <blahrus> the mixer is fine, if i boot the warty kernel, sound works, if i boot the hoary kernel sound doesn't work
[06:59] <blahrus> k, no problem
[07:01] <mdz> DVD images are up
[07:03] <blahrus> sorry to bug you guys
[07:08] <mdz> powerpc CD install successful
[07:08] <fabbione> i386 is in phase2 now here
[07:10] <mdz> i386 just logged in here
[07:11] <mdz> hwdb-gui makes a good test of the system :-)
[07:12] <mdz> i386 CD install successful
[07:12] <mdz> 3/3 CD installs successful, doing DVDs next
[07:18] <fabbione> mdz: i386 normal install is GO here
[07:25] <daniels> mdz: is powerpc back on to one CD?
[07:30] <mvirkkil> What nick does Ross Burton go by?
[07:31] <jdub> ross or rburton
[07:31] <whiprush> oy jdub, know if gman is making the flight over for UDU?
[07:32] <jdub> i don't think he can stay
[07:32] <mvirkkil> jdub: Thanks. Too bad he isn't here.
[07:32] <jdub> he's going to be at lca
[07:32] <whiprush> :-/
[07:32] <jdub> mvirkkil: uk time
[07:32] <whiprush> It's like, loonix australia month or something.
[07:32] <mvirkkil> jdub: Well, I'm in uk time +2 ,'
[07:32] <jdub> whiprush: we don't want him pooing on our roof anyway!
[07:33] <daniels> whiprush: he's not staying for UDU
[07:33] <daniels> jdub: haha
[07:33] <daniels> hm: http://www.pccasegear.com.au/prod2144.htm
[07:34] <whiprush> daniels: we're not cool anymore, ibm announced the X41. :(
[07:34] <daniels> whiprush: yeah, I saw, but it's just more of the same
[07:34] <daniels> it still doesn't have any sort of ati chipset
[07:34] <whiprush> oh. well, that's why I like it. (heh)
[07:35] <Lathiat> whats new in it?
[07:35] <whiprush> updated processor and chipset
[07:35] <Lathiat> any cheaper?
[07:35] <whiprush> no, more expensive, starts at $1999 US now
[07:35] <jdub> they've added more of the same chemicals found in cigarettes
[07:35] <Lathiat> whiprush: damn
[07:35] <whiprush> and a fingerprint thinger too
[07:36] <Lathiat> ha ha
[07:36] <Keybuk> daniels: you like the ati?
[07:36] <whiprush> jdub: you have an X300 right? you see dell's new X1? it's their "x40 killer"
[07:37] <jdub> X1 eh?
[07:37] <whiprush> http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000913038231/
[07:37] <whiprush> widescreen even.
[07:37] <daniels> Keybuk: i like the idea of a chipset that has open specs
[07:37] <jsgotangco> NICE
[07:37] <Lathiat> the 700m is pretty nice
[07:37] <jsgotangco> compared to my crappy ECS laptop
[07:37] <jdub> i mean, the X300 already kills the X40 ;)
[07:37] <Lathiat> i want one 
[07:37] <jsgotangco> which reminds me
[07:37] <daniels> Keybuk: i8xx is discounted because of it's world's-shittiest-mode-setting stuff
[07:37] <Lathiat> but i got a big chunky 8600 in stead :)
[07:37] <jsgotangco> i need a backpack for UDE
[07:37] <jsgotangco> UDU
[07:38] <daniels> Keybuk: relying on vbe -> cock
[07:38] <Lathiat> i wish i could get to UDU
[07:38] <Lathiat> daniels: hehe
[07:38] <Lathiat> does the i915 stuff fix that?
[07:38] <Keybuk> icky :(
[07:38] <daniels> Lathiat: no
[07:39] <Lathiat> so its intel ixxx :)
[07:39] <daniels> well, yeah; i9xx is just i8xx on pcie, really
[07:39] <Lathiat> ah right
[07:39] <jdub> http://img.dell.com/images/global/products/latit/x1_and_coffeecup_314x314.jpg
[07:39] <jdub> that's just some massive american coffee cup, innit?
[07:39] <Lathiat> wheh
[07:40] <jdub> screen sounds wide but small
[07:40] <daniels> of the four still doing current chipsets (ati, nvidia, intel, via), via are discounted because they don't give out full specs, the driver is arse, the chipset is arse, and they lie rampantly.  nvidia is discounted for no specs and no open driver.  intel is discounted for vbe.  that only leaves one standing, and that one has an open and very, very well-written driver, and i have the specs for it.
[07:41] <daniels> jdub: heh yeah
[07:41] <daniels> jdub: it's actually jblack's coffee bucket
[07:41] <Lathiat> daniels: does it do 3d in te open driver?
[07:41] <jdub> heh
[07:41] <daniels> Lathiat: for r2xx, yes
[07:41] <Lathiat> (on *new* cards)
[07:41] <daniels> no
[07:41] <Lathiat> spec problem or no ones bothered problem?
[07:41] <jsgotangco> i wouldnt touch anything by via at all i used to have a laptop with their c3 processor and it just blows
[07:42] <daniels> Lathiat: kind of a political problem
[07:42] <Lathiat> is it explainable in 30 seconds? :)
[07:42] <jdub> *cough* http://node.waugh.id.au:8800/
[07:42] <daniels> Lathiat: not really
[07:43] <jdub> that was quick
[07:43] <whiprush> Is marking a dup a specific permission? I don't seem to have that option available.
[07:43] <Lathiat> what was quick?
[07:43] <daniels> jdub: particularly jesusesque these days
[07:43] <Lathiat> indeed
[07:44] <Burgundavia> jdub: omg, ahhh my eyes
[07:44] <mvo> morning
[07:44] <whiprush> nm, found it
[07:45] <daniels> scorchio!
[07:46] <jdub> some crankage for you, daniels 
[07:46] <jsgotangco> is that an ogg stream?
[07:47] <jdub> ogg theora+vorbis, yes
[07:47] <daniels> word
[07:48] <snaggen> I'm I the only one that thinks the new update-manager notification icon looks like a warning sign? First time I saw it I had to look at the tooltip to realize what it was.
[07:48] <mvirkkil> I've made som changes to gnome-app-install, is there anyone else besides ross I should mail it to?
[07:48] <jdub> mvirkkil: mail mvo too
[07:48] <mvo> mvirkkil: I would be interessted too
[07:49] <mvirkkil> Addresses?
[07:49] <Lathiat> snaggen: yeh i thought that, then again i guess it kind of is a warning
[07:49] <SuperLag> dammit
[07:49] <SuperLag> who would have thought that current still travels through an IDE cable when the Molex power connector to the hard drive is disconnected?? :)
[07:50] <snaggen> Lathiat, Yes, on a stable system with only security updates it might make sence to resemble a warningsign.
[07:50] <fabbione> mdz, daniels: multiarse on i386 is GO
[07:51] <Lathiat> fabbione: multiseat crap?
[07:51] <Burgundavia> snaggen: if it doesn't grab users attention, they won't update
[07:51] <fabbione> Lathiat: s/crap// yes
[07:51] <Lathiat> crap is a generalized grouping word :)
[07:52] <daniels> fabbione: good news
[07:54] <smurfix> Dammit, every time lately I fix some of the key select problems the result works for me but somebody else has problems with it. :-/
[07:54] <fabbione> daniels: i just noticed we forgot one little detail
[07:54] <daniels> fabbione: oh?
[07:54] <fabbione> daniels: like copying the multiseat-config binaries in the deb
[07:54] <fabbione> daniels: there is no way to reconfigure it manually after install
[07:54] <fabbione> s/manually/automatically
[07:55] <fabbione> well..
[07:55] <fabbione> not a big deal right now
[07:55] <daniels> right
[07:55] <daniels> that package should just die in the long term though
[07:55] <fabbione> daniels: die? how?
[07:56] <fabbione> we will need to something to regenerate multiseat.conf somehow
[07:56] <daniels> well, the xorg.conf-generating bit of it should ideally go away
[07:56] <daniels> and whatever we use to write xorg.conf when we throw away the scripts in xserver-xorg should deal with that
[07:56] <daniels> and multihead as well
[07:56] <fabbione> daniels: i am not talking about multiseat-configurator
[07:57] <fabbione> i am talking about the piece of script that creates multiseat.conf
[07:57] <daniels> oh, right
[07:57] <daniels> there's no way to kick the multiseat-udeb stuff
[07:57] <mvirkkil> jdub: mvo: mail sent.
[07:57] <daniels> yeah
[07:57] <fabbione> daniels: not that i know off.. well tough luck
[07:57] <daniels> i need to go take care of my little sister for a bit, i'll be back later
[07:57] <fabbione> daniels: there is no full support for multiseat anyway
[07:57] <daniels> about 15min
[07:57] <fabbione> daniels: later
[07:58] <mvo> mvirkkil: thanks
[08:12] <mdz> daniels: yes, powerpc being >1 CD was a critical bug and was fixed
[08:14] <pitti> good morning
[08:14] <pitti> i386/server installation works fine
[08:16] <fabbione> i386/live machine 1/3 is GO
[08:19] <daniels> mdz: good t hear
[08:19] <mdz> pitti: are you testing the latest images?  we had to do another build
[08:19] <pitti> mdz: server installation was from yesterday's image still (did that before booting my main system)
[08:20] <pitti> mdz: now I download today's and will test them, too
[08:20] <pitti> mdz: any urgent catastrophes that require attention today?
[08:20] <mdz> pitti: so far it looks good
[08:20] <pitti> great to hear :-)
[08:20] <mdz> DVD images need testing
[08:20] <pitti> ugh
[08:21] <mdz> cat hoary-live-$arch.iso hoary-install-$arch.iso > hoary-dvd-$arch.iso && rsync
[08:21] <fabbione> mdz: burning DVD now
[08:21] <pitti> rsync can re-sort blocks this way? cool
[08:27] <mdz> powerpc and amd64 dvd-installs in progress, i386 burning
[08:29] <fabbione> i386/live machine 2/3 is GO
[08:38] <fabbione> i386/live machine 3/3 is GO
[08:38] <fabbione> argh.. we didn't fix the DVD menus
[08:41] <fabbione> Kamion: there is still space to change the .txt for the DVD?
[08:44] <fabbione> i386/dvdlive is GO
[08:47] <fabbione> this interesting :)))))))
[08:47] <fabbione> DVD install proposes me to install on the DVD
[08:48] <fabbione> it detects it as DVD-+RW
[08:49] <mdz> amd64 DVD install successful
[08:50] <mdz> i386 DVD live successful
[08:50] <fabbione> mdz: i386 dvd is going here
[08:51] <mdz> powerpc DVD seems to be no good :-/
[08:51] <mdz> it is missing the live option in yaboot
[08:52] <mdz> no idea how this happened
[08:53] <fabbione> crap
[08:53] <fabbione> mdz: if we need to rebuild the DVD's, would it be possible to fix the .txt for the help?
[08:54] <mdz> what is broken about it?
[08:54] <mdz> I don't even know how to fix the yaboot thing; I will need to dig in debian-cd
[08:54] <fabbione> it still reports install CD and didn't notice the "live" boot option
[08:55] <mdz> it has always been that way
[08:55] <fabbione> so we don't want to advertise it?
[08:55] <mdz> since we first started making DVDs
[08:55] <fabbione> yeah i know that, but it would be nice to have
[08:55] <mdz> we do, but it is not a regression and I do not want to rebuild, redownload, reburn and retest the DVDs just for that
[08:55] <mdz> it takes hours
[08:56] <fabbione> i agree
[08:56] <fabbione> it can wait breezy
[08:56] <mdz> if we are going to fix powerpc, we will do a powerpc-only build
[08:56] <mdz> and only retest that
[08:58] <froud> mdz
[08:58] <froud> ooops wrong channel
[09:00] <fabbione> i386/server install is GO
[09:01] <mdz> amd64 DVD live successful
[09:02] <mdz> oh
[09:02] <mdz> my powerpc ISO looks to have been corrupted
[09:03] <mdz> rsync: write failed on "/home/mdz/cd/ubuntu/hoary-dvd-powerpc.iso": No space left on device (28)
[09:03] <fabbione> whops
[09:03] <mdz> I will re-test when my i386 DVD install is complete
[09:07] <mdz> hmm, the powerpc iso is broken though
[09:08] <mdz> my iso was from the previous build due to the rsync failure
[09:08] <mdz> mdz@little /srv/cdimage.no-name-yet.com/www/full/dvd/current $ isoinfo -R -i hoary-dvd-powerpc.iso -x /install/yaboot.conf | grep live
[09:08] <mdz> mdz@little /srv/cdimage.no-name-yet.com/www/full/dvd/current $
[09:08] <mdz> the current one has the same problem
[09:09] <fabbione> mdz: it might be worth checking on the old images, when it did breack
[09:09] <fabbione> break even
[09:10] <mdz> it has never worked
[09:10] <mdz> at least not with this debian-cd which is on little
[09:10] <fabbione> ah
[09:10] <mdz> the code seems to be simply not there
[09:10] <fabbione> doh!
[09:11] <mdz> I could swear that I tested this a long time ago
[09:11] <mdz> perhaps the debian-cd changes got lost?
[09:11] <mdz> I need to talk to Kamion
[09:13] <mdz> it is also an option to release without a powerpc DVD, but if we can fix it, that would be better
[09:13] <fabbione> i agree
[09:14] <mdz> Kamion has been gone only about 3 hours
[09:14] <fabbione> ok.. i can tell him when he is back
[09:14] <mdz> I could try to implement combo DVD support for powerpc in debian-cd, but I have a funny feeling that it was already done and is just missing from this copy somehow
[09:14] <mdz> i386 DVD install successful
[09:15] <mdz> so powerpc DVD live is the only remaining blocker
[09:15] <fabbione> it's installing lang packages here
[09:16] <mdz> we only have DVD images going back to 20050402, and they are all broken with respect to the live boot
[09:17] <fabbione> crap
[09:18] <mdz> kubuntu install and DVD are up
[09:21] <Mithrandir> uhm, bugs filed in malone against stuff in main; what to do about those? :)
[09:21] <fabbione> i386/DVD install is GO here
[09:21] <fabbione> Mithrandir: good point....
[09:22] <Mithrandir> resolve with "NOTUNIVERSE"? :P
[09:23] <fabbione> ahha
[09:24] <Duluu> when hoary will released?
[09:25] <Treenaks> Duluu: sooner if you stop asking :)
[09:26] <mdz> I think I need to sleep
[09:26] <mdz> fabbione: as far as I am concerned it is all gold except hoary-dvd-powerpc
[09:26] <Duluu> why stop askin?
[09:26] <fabbione> mdz: ok
[09:27] <mdz> Duluu: Hoary will be released at approximately 0800 UTC on Friday, April 8th
[09:27] <fabbione> sounds good
[09:27] <mdz> fabbione: are you able to test powerpc DVDs?
[09:27] <fabbione> nope
[09:27] <fabbione> ENOPPC
[09:27] <fabbione> probably pitti can
[09:28] <Duluu> is it hard to update from RC1 to final release?
[09:28] <mdz> yes, I was just checking my list, and I believe pitti has both a DVD writer and powerpc
[09:28] <fabbione> Duluu: no, but please use #ubuntu for this kind of questions
[09:28] <mdz> Duluu: no, just click the update icon 
[09:29] <mdz> pitti is short on bandwidth though, I think
[09:29] <Duluu> where I can find ubuntu developers documentation?
[09:29] <fabbione> mdz: i am pretty sure Kamion does too and he will have to rebuild the image anyway
[09:29] <mdz> well, at the worst we will go out without a powerpc DVD, and I can live with that
[09:30] <fabbione> mdz: it would be ashame considering that we have still a few hours to get it done.
[09:30] <mdz> I discussed this possibility with sabdfl since DVD testing is a problem for us
[09:30] <mdz> fabbione: this is our fallback plan ;-)
[09:30] <fabbione> mdz: ehhehe
[09:30] <mdz> I still hope that we can fix it, but I am all about the contingency planning
[09:31] <fabbione> mdz: i do agree that it is an issue.. for me specially is the hw.. 
[09:31] <fabbione> i only have one machine that can read DVD+-RW
[09:31] <fabbione> 2 that can read DVD-R
[09:31] <mdz> fabbione: just be sure to tell Kamion that I don't want to rebuild amd64 or i386 DVDs; they are already well tested and we should not change them
[09:31] <fabbione> mdz: i will. don't worry
[09:32] <mdz> I will be back in 7-8 hours
[09:32] <mdz> call my mobile if there is a problem
[09:32] <mdz> night all
[09:32] <fabbione> mdz: i will and good night
[09:34] <mvo> night mdz 
[09:38] <jani> mdz or kamion I'd like to make an xfce-ubuntu-desktop package so xfce4 users not having {k}ubuntu-desktop have smooth upgrades. I took kubuntu-meta and modified the desktop desc files, is that how it's done, or some other source packages or seeds need to be modified ?
[09:38] <fabbione> jani
[09:38] <jani> yes fabbione
[09:38] <fabbione> they bofh went to sleep
[09:39] <jani> aha
[09:39] <fabbione> and it's probably a good idea to wait monday for it
[09:39] <jani> thanks, I'll be back tonight then
[09:39] <fabbione> we are pretty busy with hoary release right now
[09:39] <jani> I'd like it to be in universe
[09:39] <jani> not main of course
[09:39] <fabbione> jani: i don't think there will be any change after today
[09:39] <jani> just wanted advice, no wok on theit part
[09:40] <jani> fabbione, universe is still open I suppose till tonight at least?
[09:40] <fabbione> jani: the seeds aren't involved for the meta packages
[09:40] <fabbione> jani: probably yes
[09:40] <fabbione> or better.. seeds are.. but for a fast upload i think you can live without
[09:41] <jani> thanks
[09:56] <fabbione> jdub: ping?
[10:03] <dholbach> good morning
[10:04] <fabbione> hey dholbach 
[10:04] <dholbach> somebody please review krecipes, gourmet and hula from wiki/MOTUNewPackages and make a small signature - i want those packages to get in
[10:05] <dholbach> hey fabbione :-)
[10:05] <mvo> morning dholbach 
[10:05] <dholbach> sorry for bickering, before saying "hi" :-)
[10:05] <fabbione> dholbach: even if i upload them, either Kamion, elmo or mdz will have to approve them manually
[10:05] <dholbach> hey mvirkkil 
[10:05] <fabbione> and none of them is actually alive
[10:05] <dholbach> fabbione: i'll talk to elmo later
[10:05] <dholbach> hey mvo
[10:06] <dholbach> fabbione: i'm not talking about uploading - our MOTU policy is that 3 people have to review them and i'm talking to people about "reviewing package" for days :-(
[10:06] <fabbione> dholbach: new packages? or are they updates for old ones?
[10:07] <dholbach> new packages, but i reviewed them already and would very much like to have them in
[10:07] <dholbach> and as elmo has to get in the apt-get.org stuff today, it should be no problem to get 3 GOOD packages in as well
[10:08] <dholbach> we just seem not to have enough resources for that "new process"
[10:09] <fabbione> dholbach: you didn't ask the less busy person atm :)
[10:10] <dholbach> dholbach: whom? :-)
[10:10] <GheRivero> good morning
[10:11] <dholbach> hey pitti 
[10:12] <fabbione> hey pitti
[10:12] <pitti> Hi dholbach 
[10:12] <pitti> I'm back from the mass install rave
[10:13] <pitti> ppc/install/desktop, 2 x i386 install desktop, 1 x ppc/install/server, 1 x i386 install server, 3 x i386 live, 1 x ppc live are all fine
[10:13] <fabbione> pitti: good to hear
[10:32] <pitti> mvo: bah, cd upgrading really sucks
[10:32] <pitti> mvo: I upgraded from today's hoary cd, but still it downloaded *all* 247 new packages from the net
[10:34] <HiddenWolf> pitti: you're kidding?
[10:35] <pitti> HiddenWolf: no, I'm not. That sucks
[10:35] <pitti> my traffic limit is at 93%
[10:35] <pitti> mvo: may it be that synaptic prefers authenticated packages over unauthenticated ones?
[10:35] <HiddenWolf> pitti: How can it upgrade from a cd that contains the newest versions?
[10:36] <mvo> pitti: no, your cd is authenticated as well
[10:36] <pitti> mvo: I test the same upgrade on my networkless laptop, and it claims that all apckages from CD are not authenticated
[10:36] <HiddenWolf> pitti: cd should be authed, imho
[10:36] <pitti> it isn't
[10:36] <pitti> not completely, at least
[10:36] <mvo> did you do a warty->hoary upgrade?
[10:36] <pitti> NOT AUTHENTICATED:
[10:36] <pitti> libxext-dev, x-dev, libice-dev
[10:36] <mvo> pitti: warty->hoary-upgrade?
[10:36] <pitti> and a bunch of other X stuff
[10:37] <pitti> mvo: no
[10:37] <pitti> mvo: RC to final upgrade
[10:37] <astharot> ciao
[10:37] <mvo> everything on the cd should be authenticated, if not that's a serious problem
[10:38] <Lathiat> did you want me to have another crack with 07?
[10:38] <mvo> pitti: let me see if I can reproduce it here
[10:38] <pitti> bah, "some packages could not be downloaded - do you want to continue and ignore these packages?"
[10:40] <mvo> pitti: apt will prefer stuff that is authenticated and will not use non-authenticated sources (that's a feature)
[10:40] <dholbach> i'm doing a dvd test install
[10:40] <dholbach> bbl
[10:40] <mvo> the question is: why is your cd not authenticated?
[10:40] <pitti> mvo: okay, then this explains why it ignores the CD
[10:40] <mvo> pitti: can you please have a look at /var/lib/apt/lists/*.gpg?
[10:41] <pitti> mvo: I have daily/current
[10:53] <Mithrandir> pitti: you're finding security hole too quickly! :P
[10:53] <Mithrandir> s/hole/holes/
[10:53] <Mithrandir> there's an USN every day, ATM.
[10:53] <pitti> Mithrandir: I do?
[10:54] <pitti> oh, I did ~ 5 of them at monday or tuesday :-(
[10:54] <Mithrandir> yeah, but some of them are a bit delayed out of bugtraq
[10:54] <Mithrandir> we should outlaw security holes.
[10:55] <Gagatan> hirr
[10:55] <Gagatan> Mithrandir: lets start with banning PHP ;)
[10:55] <pitti> Moin seb128 
[10:56] <Mithrandir> Gagatan: actually, the last USNs haven't been on PHP stuff, but other user-level stuff.  gdk and such.
[11:10] <seb128> hi pitti 
[11:10] <seb128> livecd amd64 works fine here :)
[11:10] <seb128> install i386 too
[11:16] <Lathiat> warty hoary ugprade, fresh install, fresh install on xfs/resier
[11:23] <MyNameIsChris> Hello, who here will be at Ubuntu DownUnder on the 25th? (Most of you I guess)
[11:25] <pitti> yeah
[11:25] <MyNameIsChris> pitti, I don't want this to sound demanding but make sure you have a minute of silence for Anzac Day
[11:26] <MyNameIsChris> And I may see you on the 26th
[11:54] <zyga> hello
[11:54] <zyga> hmm
[11:54] <zyga> did anyone notice a bug when audio cd gets burned and then cannot be ejected
[11:55] <zyga> it doesn't appear to be mounted but nautilus shows the icon on desktop
[11:55] <infinity> I've had that with bad hardware...
[11:55] <zyga> running eject as unpriviledged user shows 'bad argument'
[11:55] <zyga> but as root - the cd ejects fine
[11:55] <infinity> Oh, not the same problem, then.
[11:55] <zyga> could this be some kind of misconfiguration?
[11:55] <dholbach> grmbl, amd64-dvd was buggy - hope a rsync solves the issue
[11:56] <zyga> that is not the first user created during install
[11:56] <zyga> but I've added it to all relevant groups AFAIR
[11:56] <zyga> ejecting normal cd works fine 
[11:57] <zyga> verified: the user is in cdrom group
[11:58] <zyga> this is reproducible but costs one cd-r ;-)
[11:58] <zyga> burning was done in k3b if that is of relevance
[12:02] <gsuveg> re
[12:17] <Lathiat> hrmm just doary a hoary test install
[12:18] <Lathiat> archive.ubuntu.com barfed on me for a release.gpg and a packages.gz
[12:18] <Lathiat> so nwo its whinging cus some packages aren't authenticated
[12:18] <Lathiat> i've noticed over the last month or so, archive.ubuntu.com is randomly flakey returning bad headers and whatnot
[12:32] <Kamion> pitti,fabbione: ok, I'll fix the powerpc DVD now
[12:32] <pitti> Hi Kamion, hope you slept well :-) We need you :-P
[12:34] <zyga> hmm
[12:34] <zyga> firefox doesn't launch after recent update
[12:35] <zyga> how can I debug this?
[12:36] <fabbione> Kamion: cool. just be sure not to rebuild i386 and amd64, or mdz will crossburn us :)
[12:37] <Lathiat> zyga: have you tried 'killall -9 firefox-bin' // rebooting?
[12:37] <pitti> amu: ping
[12:37] <zyga> Lathiat: trying
[12:37] <Kamion> fabbione: yeah, mdz sucks for making me do a single-arch rebuild when we might be publishing the results :-P
[12:37] <zyga> Lathiat: there was a stray firefox-bin
[12:37] <Kamion> I'm going to have to hardlink the amd64 and i386 images over to dvd/current/ afterwards, or something
[12:38] <Lathiat> well just did an 07 i386 standard install, apart from archive.ubuntu.com being flakey it was fine.
[12:38] <zyga> Lathiat: extensions are loading
[12:38] <Lathiat> multiseat didn't mess up was the main thing i was checking here
[12:38] <zyga> Lathiat: works okay now... hmm
[12:38] <fabbione> Kamion: ehhe ok :)
[12:38] <Lathiat> zyga: i've seen that a couple times recently tho
[12:38] <Lathiat> perhaps it juts got stuck
[12:39] <zyga> Lathiat: can firefox be updated when running?
[12:39] <zyga> Lathiat: the ugly part is that the script just executed and exited immediatly, no comments - no warnings
[12:39] <zyga> (script = firefox)
[12:41] <zyga> on the other hand
[12:41] <zyga> I've got all supported languages installed
[12:42] <zyga> and updating-chrome-registry after ech one got updated took ages
[12:42] <zyga> is it possible to delay rebuild-someting after all things that need to do it get updated?
[12:43] <trukulo> hi ppl
[12:44] <gsuveg> doh. cups dont works on my amd 64, it drop signal 15  :(
[12:49] <doko> pitti: like to test another OOo xhosa package (chinstrap:~doko)?
[12:50] <Mithrandir> doko: both the buildds and my network connection loves you. *smirk*
[12:51] <doko> Mithrandir: :) no, that will not become another OOo upload.
[12:51] <pitti> doko: would it work now?
[12:51] <amu> pitti: pong
[12:51] <Mithrandir> doko: ok :)
[12:51] <doko> pitti: it should ...
[12:52] <Mithrandir> doko: really, I don't mind, it just takes a little while.  I'm on a 100Mbit connection.
[12:52] <doko> Mithrandir: "a while" ... :-P
[12:52] <pitti> Mithrandir: someday I will hit you really, really hard if you complain about "only" a 100 MBit connection ... :-)
[12:53] <Mithrandir> pitti: I complain when I have to regularly update 250-ish MB source packages, yes. :)
[12:56] <CarlK> I used the gui, system, admin, networking to set an IP, it set it (ifconfig shows it) but dhclient is still running and renewing the lease.  for a bugzilla, I want to post the file showing that the static was really set - where is that stored?
[12:56] <thom>  /etc/network/interfaces
[12:57] <CarlK> perfect: iface eth0 inet static
[12:58] <fabbione> dholbach: i am looking at hula now....
[01:00] <Kamion> fixed powerpc DVD rebuilding
[01:00] <fabbione> Kamion: rocking...
[01:00] <pitti> Kamion: cool, thanks
[01:01] <fabbione> Kamion: can you test it directly?
[01:01] <fabbione> pitti: can you find a way to rsync it?
[01:01] <Kamion> fabbione: theoretically yes, but not for ~12 hours
[01:01] <Kamion> my amd64 DVD from last night is *still* rsyncing
[01:01] <fabbione> Kamion: i guess we need that done before that :)
[01:01] <Kamion> yes
[01:01] <fabbione> Kamion: are you kidding?
[01:01] <Kamion> nope, it's at 74%
[01:01] <fabbione> Kamion: i would run a tcpdump on that :)
[01:02] <Kamion> it did get some benefit from rsyncing
[01:02] <fabbione> pitti: can you rsync? if you had the last dvd image, i guess the rsync bits will be very small
[01:02] <pitti> fabbione: amu has bandwith, and I could download it to an uni computer and go there to fetch it
[01:02] <Kamion> but my connection doesn't get much beyond 50/60kB/s
[01:02] <fabbione> pitti: how long would that take for you?
[01:03] <fabbione> Kamion: ok... i understand
[01:03] <fabbione> amu: ping?
[01:03] <pitti> fabbione: download should be relatively fast, I need 20 minutes with the bike to the uni, half an hour for copying, twenty minutes back
[01:03] <pitti> fabbione: I already asked him
[01:03] <pitti> Kamion: can you please ping if the image is ready?
[01:03] <fabbione> pitti: if it's not too much of an issue could you that please?
[01:03] <Kamion> pitti: sure
[01:04] <amu> cool,thx
[01:04] <pitti> fabbione: sure
[01:04] <fabbione> pitti: thanks, i would really appreciate that
[01:04] <pitti> sure
[01:04] <pitti> fabbione: btw, it starts to rain, add another 10 minutes for the bus :-)
[01:04] <fabbione> pitti: ok :))))
[01:06] <doko> fabbione: did you have success booting the powerpc DVD? 
[01:07] <fabbione> doko: no.. it doesn't boot on my P4
[01:07] <doko> the DVD is detected when I insert it on a running system, but not at boot time.
[01:07] <fabbione> doko: ENOPPC here...
[01:08] <fabbione> doko: no.. it doesn't boot on my ---> P4 <---
[01:08] <doko> fabbione: oops, I read G4 ...
[01:08] <Kamion> meh
[01:08] <fabbione> i wrote it on porpouse :)
[01:08] <Kamion> well, if it doesn't boot properly, we just don't release it
[01:09] <Kamion> but I'd like to know why, there may be time to fix it
[01:09] <doko> how can I help?
[01:09] <fabbione> Kamion: as mdz wrote this morning, we can try to get it fixed as much as we want
[01:09] <fabbione> Kamion: we just don't have to touch the rest
[01:14] <Kamion> doko: figure out why it won't boot :-)
[01:15] <Kamion> could be your OF just doesn't like DVDs, and there'd be nothing we could do about that
[01:15] <Kamion> doko: does it make it into the CD's yaboot, even?
[01:16] <smurfix> doko: You might try burning one of the CD ISOs onto a DVD
[01:17] <doko> kamion: no, I get the one from the HD
[01:17] <doko> smurfix: ok, I still have three blanks ... what a waste :-(
[01:18] <smurfix> doko: DVD+RWs are your friend
[01:18] <smurfix> doko: (except when booting from those is even less reliable :-/ )
[01:19] <doko> hmm, DVD-RWs are supposed to work as well?
[01:20] <adobbie> why not just burn a test disc on a regular +-R?
[01:20] <smurfix> depends on the firmware I guess ... I haven't tried on Macs
[01:20] <smurfix> adobbie: some people around here already have too-large stacks with dud CDs, thank you very much ;-)
[01:21] <doko> adobbie: no it _is_ a DVD-R
[01:21] <Kamion> ok, new powerpc DVD up, should be fixed
[01:21] <dholbach> fabbione: thank you so much
[01:21] <Kamion> I've hardlinked the old amd64/i386 DVDs into the same directory
[01:21] <adobbie> smurfix: I collect coasters :) I have about 320 DVDs/CDs
[01:21] <adobbie> some are just old discs with no longer useful data however
[01:23] <smurfix> adobbie: I'm recycling them, I already have enough useless stuff lying around here
[01:23] <pitti> Kamion: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20050407.1/hoary-dvd-powerpc.iso is the right one?
[01:23] <adobbie> smurfix: my goal is to make furniture out of them someday
[01:24] <smurfix> adobbie: well, I've seen worse lifetime goals, but still  ;-)
[01:26] <pitti> Kamion: what's wrong here?
[01:26] <pitti> wget http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20050407.1/hoary-dvd-powerpc.iso
[01:26] <pitti> 13:26:31 (0.00 B/s) - `hoary-dvd-powerpc.iso' saved [0/-1272184832] )
[01:27] <pitti> -> 0 byte
[01:27] <adobbie> -1272184832
[01:27] <Treenaks> pitti: -1272184832.. nice :)
[01:27] <adobbie> funny
[01:27] <fabbione> pitti: you cannot wget a dvd
[01:27] <fabbione> pitti: 32 bit limits
[01:27] <pitti> *grumble* wget *grumble* 32 bit *grumble
[01:27] <HiddenWolf> Ugh. Did the artwork per any chance change to a darker shade of brown.
[01:27] <doko> hmm, my pbook just ejects a blank DVD+RW ...
[01:27] <HiddenWolf> I just restarted rythmbox, and the colors differ from the rest of the desktop. :)
[01:28] <kain> HiddenWolf, I've the same behaviour
[01:28] <pitti> fabbione: I use lynx now, hope that works...
[01:28] <fabbione> pitti: no rsync?
[01:28] <pitti> fabbione: what for?
[01:29] <fabbione> pitti: since it handles 64 bit without any problem?
[01:29] <pitti> fabbione: I don't have a DVD image at the uni, and download with 1.7 MB/s is fun :-)
[01:29] <pitti> lynx won't?
[01:29] <fabbione> pitti: dunno...
[01:29] <fabbione> i hope for you
[01:29] <pitti> okay, let's try it :-)
[01:29] <Kamion> you can rsync from nothing, of course
[01:29] <Kamion> bit slower than just getting it, though
[01:29] <pitti> Kamion: yeah, but isn't that a bit too much overhead?
[01:30] <pitti> ETA 29 minutes
[01:30] <HiddenWolf> pitti, stop making us jealous. :)
[01:30] <pitti> HiddenWolf: unfortunately it's download to the uni, not to my home
[01:30] <pitti> HiddenWolf: at home I have a mere 60 kB/s
[01:31] <HiddenWolf> pitti, suffering the same fate here
[01:31] <pitti> HiddenWolf: and 3GB/week traffic limit
[01:31] <HiddenWolf> pitti, ouch. 
[01:31] <adobbie> pitti: I feel sorry for you, I'd cry if I had a 25GB/week limit
[01:32] <HiddenWolf> I DL about 3gb per day, really.
[01:32] <pitti> I can't get a better link here where I live :-(
[01:32] <pitti> well, for 10K per month, probably
[01:32] <HiddenWolf> For me the agony is that I can get 10mbit sync, but can't afford the eur20/month extra atm
[01:37] <doko> Kamion: should the new powerpc DVD make a difference regarding the booting capabilities?
[01:38] <pitti> erm, good point, a previous ppc dvd did not boot for me either
[01:44] <Mithrandir> hmm, seems like mdadm has a race condition; fsck is sometimes tried on the not-yet-existing RAID devices.
[01:45] <Mithrandir> (since /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh runs so quickly after mdadm-raid)
[01:46] <Kamion> doko: shouldn't
[01:46] <Kamion> pitti: yeah
[01:47] <pitti> Kamion: darn, I try it anyway
[01:48] <Kamion> hm
[01:57] <robertj> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8516 <- :(
[01:59] <Kamion> doko: ok, looks like there's a debian-cd patch I need to pull in to get the HFS catalog right on the powerpc DVD
[01:59] <Kamion> once I get a proper delta out of baz, I'll apply it
[02:01] <doko> ok, thanks, will you update the images again?
[02:05] <Kamion> doko: yes, in time
[02:26] <Mithrandir> anybody seen mjg59 around lately?
[02:26] <pitti> hi guys
[02:39] <astharot> hi Martin1
[02:39] <astharot> !
[02:40] <pitti> Hi astharot 
[02:41] <zul> hey
[02:44] <elmo> seb128: ?
[02:44] <seb128> elmo: pong
[02:45] <elmo> seb128: you asked for gal2.2 to be dropped, but abiword still uses it?
[02:45] <seb128> $ apt-cache rdepends libgal2.2-1
[02:45] <seb128> libgal2.2-1
[02:45] <seb128> Reverse Depends:
[02:45] <seb128>   libgal2.2-common
[02:45] <seb128>   libgal2.2-dev
[02:45] <seb128> hum
[02:46] <elmo> seb128: abiword b-d's on it
[02:46] <Lathiat> seb128: apt-cache has an rdepends? heh sweet.
[02:46] <seb128> elmo: I'm wondering why if it doesn't link with it. Can we fix universe stuff today ? If so I'll fix abiword
[02:47] <seb128> is that the only package using it ?
[02:47] <dholbach> seb128: sure... fix! :-)
[02:47] <seb128> dholbach: and new version ? :p evince 0.2.0 by example :)
[02:47] <mjg59> Mithrandir: Hi
[02:47] <elmo> seb128: abiword's in main, dude
[02:48] <dholbach> seb128: sure
[02:48] <mjg59> Mithrandir: Re your battery thing - no idea whatsoever, I'm afraid
[02:48] <elmo> seb128: abiword's the only thing in main using it, yes
[02:48] <elmo> there's a bunch in universe, one sec
[02:48] <seb128> elmo: k, forget about it for the moment so
[02:48] <seb128> I'll fix all that for breezy
[02:48] <Mithrandir> mjg59: hiya; ok, weird.
[02:48] <elmo> seb128: ok - sorry for not getting it to earlier
[02:48] <Mithrandir> mjg59: it seems like nstx isn't 64 bit clean.
[02:49] <Lathiat> will there be any cd rebuilds anytime soon?
[02:49] <mjg59> Mithrandir: Christ. This fails to surprise me.
[02:49] <elmo> Mithrandir: dude, it's not even signed char clean
[02:49] <mjg59> Mithrandir: It builds but doesn't run?
[02:49] <Kamion> Lathiat: for what?
[02:49] <Lathiat> Kamion: i386 install
[02:49] <elmo> 64-bit clean is about 20 years too futuristic for it
[02:49] <seb128> elmo: np, that's just an extra package for the archive, doesn't break anything
[02:49] <Kamion> Lathiat: no, I mean for what reason?
[02:49] <Mithrandir> mjg59: it builds, runs and falls over when it gets a packet.
[02:49] <Lathiat> Kamion: just want to know before i went off bashign the current build
[02:49] <Mithrandir> building it in 32 bit mode makes it work
[02:49] <Kamion> Lathiat: unlikely] 
[02:49] <mjg59> Mithrandir: Which version?
[02:49] <Kamion> -] 
[02:49] <Lathiat> Kamion: cool thanks
[02:49] <dholbach> seb128: for breezy we should have big transition lists with all those old crap and chuck it out for good
[02:50] <Mithrandir> mjg59: 1.1-beta5-6
[02:50] <Kamion> Lathiat: if there are, they'll be very fast to rsync; but I hope not
[02:50] <mjg59> Mithrandir: Right, it only works by accident
[02:50] <mjg59> You need beta6-2
[02:50] <dholbach> seb128: the MOTUs will be pleased to hear about even more lists ;-)
[02:50] <Lathiat> Kamion: well yeh i was just more concerned that i was about to waste time if you were goign to do another rebuild within the next hour or something :)
[02:50] <mjg59> Still no idea if it'll work on 64-bit, but it stands a better chance
[02:50] <seb128> dholbach: yeah :)
[02:50] <Mithrandir> mjg59: ok.  In unstable?
[02:50] <Kamion> Lathiat: no, powerpc DVD is the only one I plan to change
[02:50] <mjg59> Mithrandir: Yup
[02:50] <Lathiat> Kamion: ok
[02:51] <Mithrandir> mjg59: ok, I'll give it a shot post-hoary.
[03:01] <dholbach> can anybody help me _PLEASE_ with decisions on http://people.ubuntu.com/~james/paste/002.txt and http://people.ubuntu.com/~james/paste/003.txt - i consider removing them wrt to unsupported-kernel-stuff-in-universe?
[03:03] <Lathiat> well, if they can't build, they can't build...
[03:03] <Lathiat> so theyre useless anyway?
[03:03] <dholbach> no, it's not about not building
[03:04] <dholbach> the packages on the right side are about to be removed, the ones on the left side depend on them
[03:04] <Mithrandir> xen would be a shame to lose
[03:04] <Lathiat> eek i just told synaptic to do an auto upgrade off this cd adn it crashed
[03:05] <Mithrandir> dholbach: cpqarrayd too, for those who have the HW.
[03:06] <dholbach> Mithrandir: i was told it was pretty useless
[03:06] <zul> Mithrandir: there is going to be xen packages for breezy anyways i think
[03:06] <dholbach> problem is: the patches these things depend on, dont apply on our kernels
[03:06] <dholbach> i reviewed those patches closely and put the ones to be removed on MorgueCandidates
[03:06] <dholbach> s/closely/briefly
[03:08] <Mithrandir> dholbach: ok, let them go, then.
[03:09] <dholbach> ok here goes my rant: hearing "they're not supported" and having to mess with unbuildable/uninstallable stuff is WAY SHITTY, i can't decide on all of this crap, since i'm not clever enough
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[03:10] <Mithrandir> dholbach: why not just nuke them, then?
[03:10] <dholbach> because i don't want to receive the hate mails alone
[03:10] <dholbach> i don't use those packages and have no clue about how they work
[03:11] <dholbach> i know it's very late in the release process to make those decisions, so i'd highly appreciate suggestions, ideas and complaints now
[03:11] <pitti> Kamion: can I reassign #8557 to you?
[03:11] <Mithrandir> dholbach: if those are unbuildable, they're useless.
[03:12] <Kamion> new powerpc DVD up, stands a better chance of being bootable
[03:12] <dholbach> ok... will have to investigate then
[03:13] <Kamion> pitti: yeah, I guess so, sorry I haven't had any chance at all to look at it
[03:13] <torkel> dholbach: you can probably nuke/move away arla-modules-source too, as it is unbuildable with the kernel in hoary
[03:13] <dholbach> *making notes*
[03:18] <pitti> guys: do anybody of you know a tool to download a DVD image through http?
[03:18] <pitti> rsync is blocked here in the uni
[03:18] <pitti> and mozilla/ffox etc. truncate the files to 2 gb
[03:18] <Mithrandir> pitti: rsync over ssh?
[03:19] <pitti> Mithrandir: ssh to where? cdimage.u.c?
[03:19] <pitti> wget doesn't work either
[03:19] <Kamion> rebuild wget with LFS?
[03:19] <pitti> *sigh*
[03:19] <Kamion> or try curl?
[03:19] <fabbione> pitti: ssh ?
[03:19] <pitti> fabbione: give me ssh acccess to cdimage.u.c :-)
[03:19] <fabbione> pitti: copy the image to roockery and scp
[03:20] <pitti> fabbione: copy with curl?
[03:20] <Mithrandir> pitti: ssh -L 1400:cdimage.ubuntu.com:873 chinstrap ; rsync --port=1400 localhost::whatever 
[03:20] <fabbione> pitti: rsync from cdimage to roockery and than scp?
[03:20] <fabbione> as Mith said too is good
[03:20] <pitti> ah, that would work
[03:21] <pitti> Mithrandir: cool
[03:22] <dholbach> bbiab
[03:34] <lamont> funny... I don't remember asking for a sync of memtest86...
[03:36] <fabbione> lamont: probably elmo wants to blame it on you :P
[03:36] <Mithrandir> lamont: I asked for a memtest86+ sync some time ago.
[03:36] <Mithrandir> like, a week or two
[03:37] <fabbione> Mithrandir: yeah, but that one is memtest
[03:37] <fabbione> not +
[03:38] <Mithrandir> fabbione: I know, but I wasn't sure if lamont knew there are two.
[03:39] <fabbione> i am dead tired
[03:39] <fabbione> and i also need to go to the block meeting
[03:39] <fabbione> i hate to sit there 2 hours without getting a clue of what they are talking about
[03:46] <lamont> Mithrandir: yeah, I know
[03:48] <thom> Kamion: you don't fancy triggering orcadas, do you? just so i can see what the torrent stuff is up to...
[03:59] <Kamion> thom: done
[04:01] <jani> Kamion, I'd like to make an xfce-ubuntu-desktop metapackage to ease upgrades for xfce users. Copy over kubuntu-meta, search and replace, add/remove packages to the four architecure desktop files and that's it or is something deeper involved? Only universe of course. thanks
[04:03] <Kamion> jani: kubuntu-meta is managed automatically using seeds, see SeedManagement on the wiki
[04:04] <Kamion> but really for something the size of xfce there's probably no need to go for the full complexity of ubuntu-meta / kubuntu-meta, just write out the list of packages you want by hand
[04:05] <thom> Kamion: thanks
[04:07] <thom> Mithrandir: if you can, please try grabbing one of the torrents from torrent.ubuntu.com and seeing if it works for you? (one of the daily or daily-lives)
[04:07] <doko> hmm, how do I start the live session from the DVD?
[04:07] <Kamion> doko: type 'live' at the boot: prompt
[04:08] <Kamion> yes, it's not documented :(
[04:08] <Kamion> although actually it is documented for the powerpc DVD
[04:08] <Mithrandir> thom: checking
[04:09] <doko> kamion: is the bootable power dvd at cdimage?
[04:09] <Kamion> doko: yes
[04:09] <Kamion> well, maybe-bootable
[04:10] <Mithrandir> thom: sits there "connecting to peers".
[04:10] <thom> give it a minute
[04:10] <Mithrandir> I've given it two
[04:10] <thom> god knows why, but it takes for ever to get going if there's just the peer in the DC available
[04:11] <Mithrandir> there it strarted
[04:11] <thom> which one did you get?
[04:11] <Mithrandir> amd64
[04:11] <Mithrandir> daily-live amd64
[04:11] <thom> cool
[04:12] <thom> so it looks like auto-torrent is working correctly
[04:12] <thom> lets hope it continues to do so
[04:13] <Mithrandir> I wonder why I don't get more than 1MB/sec to the DC though
[04:15] <doko> Kamion: where's the master index.html for http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/ ? Want to make it clearer by adding two enumerations (to start the installer, do ..., to start the live CD ...)
[04:16] <Mithrandir> thom: sounds like we should have at least one out-of-the-DC mirror, then?
[04:17] <Mithrandir> thom: bittorrent mirror network. ;)
[04:18] <doko> 1920x1200 display detection doesn't work on the live CD
[04:18] <thom> Mithrandir: agree
[04:18] <doko> daniels: ^^^
[04:22] <Kamion> doko: I don't think documentation of how to boot the thing belongs on that page, really
[04:22] <doko> kamion: it already does (in parantheses)
[04:22] <Kamion> doko: I suppose
[04:23] <Kamion> unfortunately the instructions differ substantially by architecture
[04:24] <doko> any better place? that's only needed for the DVD
[04:24] <Kamion> dunno; I'll think about it in a minute, I'm bodging together a jigdo-a-lite at the moment
[04:25] <Kamion> (download all packages from local mirror, cat together in the right order, rsync against DVD)
[04:26] <maswan> Mithrandir: I'm working on that, cdimage is just a bit too big at the moment.
[04:26] <Mithrandir> maswan: cool
[04:26] <Kamion> maswan: how much too big? maybe I can help
[04:27] <maswan> Mithrandir: So we're in the process of investigating additional storage.
[04:27] <maswan> Kamion: I'll get back to you in a week or two if the current process does not go well. :)
[04:27] <Kamion> ok
[04:39] <pitti> seb128: n-cd-burner can burn DVDs, right?
[04:39] <pitti> seb128: I need to burn a CD on a gentoo system, what does n-cd-burner use as burning backend?
[04:40] <seb128> dvd+rw-tool
[04:41] <pitti> seb128: thanks
[04:42] <fabbione> Kamion, thom: did you talk with Md about torrents mirroring?
[04:42] <fabbione> Md was offerring a release mirror on another 1xFE machine
[04:42] <ogra> pitti, you also need enough space in /tmp for the image if you use just drag n drop 
[04:43] <pitti> ogra: I don't have n-c-b on the box, it's a gentoo one without gnome
[04:43] <ogra> ah, ok
[04:44] <pitti> cool, growisofs seems to work
[04:46] <fabbione> daniels: http://kecy.roumen.cz/roumingShow.php?file=architectural_geekery.jpg <- multiarse!
[04:47] <fabbione> daniels: for some reason xorg doesn't detect my monitors :)
[04:48] <fabbione> pitti: how is going the DVD test?
[04:48] <pitti> fabbione: it currently burns
[04:48] <pitti> fabbione: it was a real hassle to get it, believe me
[04:48] <pitti> fabbione: I download the i386 one, ppc burn is at 48%
[04:49] <Treenaks> fabbione: is that a GNU Arch?
[04:49] <pitti> fabbione: I seriously hope that his one really boots (an earlier one didn't)
[04:49] <fabbione> pitti: only ppc is the issue now..
[04:49] <pitti> yeah
[04:49] <fabbione> pitti: if it doesn't and Kamion is out of ideas, we will release without ppc DVD
[04:49] <fabbione> Treenaks: eheh
[04:52] <pitti> fabbione: gimme another 10 minutes until the dvd is burnt :-)
[04:52] <fabbione> sure
[04:55] <pitti> dvd is ready  !! :-)
[05:06] <Mithrandir> uhm
[05:06] <Mithrandir> the ubuntu-artwork has a typo.  In the heading.
[05:06] <Mithrandir> "Welcome to Ubuntu Linux 5.04: The Hoary Hehdeghog Release"
[05:07] <jdub> Mithrandir: update :)
[05:07] <ogra> here it is: Welcome to Ubuntu Linux 5.04: The Hoary Hedgehog Release
[05:07] <Mithrandir> ok, I'm probably just not up-to-date, then.
[05:07] <Mithrandir> jdub: don't give me heart attacks just like that
[05:08] <Mitario> hi everyone
[05:09] <mvirkkil> jdub: Have you had a chance to look at the gnome-app-install patch I sent?
[05:09] <jdub> mvirkkil: unlikely any of us will get to it until next week ;)
[05:10] <pitti_live> fabbione, Kamion: I quickly test the first phases of the install dvd/ppc, then return back to my normal system
[05:10] <mvirkkil> jdub: Should've figured as much =)
[05:10] <fabbione> Kamion: YAY
[05:10] <fabbione> pitti_live sounds good :)
[05:20] <pitti> re
[05:21] <daniels> doko: the usual xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log please
[05:24] <jbailey> infinity: ping?
[05:24] <Kamion> pitti: it boots?
[05:25] <pitti> Kamion: perfectly
[05:25] <Kamion> rock
[05:25] <pitti> Kamion: live session runs well, install as well
[05:25] <pitti> Kamion: you rock :-)
[05:30] <doko> dabiels: #8757
[05:30] <doko> daniels: #8757
[05:30] <jani> is there an env-var to use with dpkg-buildpackage to make debug builds?
[05:31] <jani> without tweaking rules by hand
[05:31] <doko> DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=debug dpkg-buildpackage ... if the package honors that
[05:31] <Kamion> used to be DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=debug, but nowadays most packages are supposed to build with debug on by default
[05:31] <Kamion> try DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip to avoid stripping debugging symbols
[05:32] <jani> thanks, I'll try those
[05:32] <fabbione> Kamion: i guess we are done.. for hoary :)
[05:33] <doko> pitti: was that the report for the new powerpc DVD, it's still syncing for me ...
[05:33] <mdz> morning
[05:33] <fabbione> hey mdz
[05:33] <thom> morning matt
[05:33] <mdz> how do we look?
[05:33] <fabbione> mdz: very good
[05:33] <pitti> Morning mdz
[05:33] <fabbione> mdz: Kamion fixed the ppc DVD
[05:33] <fabbione> mdz: one test is ok
[05:33] <mdz> yay
[05:33] <fabbione> mdz: we miss your
[05:33] <pitti> yeah, works great for me now
[05:34] <pitti> fabbione: ... final ok?
[05:34] <mdz> where is it?
[05:34] <Kamion> fixed (a) the yaboot.conf/boot.msg, (b) the HFS catalog so that it's actually bootable
[05:34] <Kamion> mdz: usual place
[05:34] <Kamion> mdz: I hardlinked the previous amd64 and i386 DVDs in beside it, for simplicity
[05:34] <Kamion> they haven't been rebuilt
[05:34] <mdz> rsyncing
[05:38] <jani> ok the DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS thing worked binary are not stripped, but...
[05:38] <jani> is there a way of making it link to -dbg libraries?
[05:38] <jani> so I can debug the app down to glib in my case
[05:38] <Mithrandir> jani: you don't link to dbg libraries, just install them and gdb will use them automatically
[05:39] <jani> ah ok didn't try stepping into it will do, thanks
[05:39] <jani> just saw the ldd show libraries from /usr/lib and thought it's not enough
[05:40] <daniels> doko: uhm, it's amd64, nothing will get detected automatically
[05:40] <daniels> doko: picking 1920x1200 from the list didn't work?
[05:40] <jani> well I guess it's not that easy since I'd need sources for all libs too...
[05:42] <doko> daniels: so, installing from the i386 CD on an amd64 doesn't help either? picking from which list on the live-cd? in the gnome resolution preferences: yes, this works.
[05:42] <daniels> oh, that was an i386 cd?
[05:42] <daniels> in that case, output of sudo ddcprobe would be handy
[05:42] <daniels> i suspect ddcprobe is buggy and picking it up as analogue-input when it's not
[05:44] <mvirkkil> Any suggestions for improving gnome-app-install?
[05:44] <mdz> elmo: thanks for remembering about gvr; I would have been in deep shit if it didn't go in
[05:45] <elmo> mdz: sorry for not doing it until t-18 hours :/
[05:45] <elmo> gack
[05:46] <elmo> does zwiki have a raw download ability?
[05:46] <Nafallo> mvirkkil: I would love if gnome-app-install detected totem-xine as totem installed ;-).
[05:46] <doko> daniels: attached. maybe the last dtiming line is selected?
[05:46] <mvirkkil> jdub: Any suggestions for improving gnome-app-install?
[05:46] <jdub> mvirkkil: ask me next week :)
[05:46] <fabbione> elmo: mind to give a sparc pulse, before the bw will be killed for the next days?
[05:46] <mvirkkil> Nafallo: I saw a bug about that. I'll see what I can do, but I'm afraid it will be non trivial.
[05:46] <mdz> elmo: argh NO, it has broken python deps
[05:47] <elmo> *whine*
[05:47] <Nafallo> mvirkkil: I layed the bug :-). Lack of comments I thought it was unnoticed ;-). thanks in beforehand.
[05:47] <jdub> Nafallo: the totem .desktop should just use 'totem'
[05:47] <elmo> call the MOTUmobile
[05:47] <elmo> hmm, damn charles has already run away
[05:48] <elmo> fabbione: done
[05:48] <fabbione> elmo: thanks. btw no uploads for the next few hours.. it's munging ooo :)
[05:48] <elmo> hey, that reminds me
[05:48] <elmo> do we want stable symlinks in the archive?
[05:48] <Kamion> elmo: zwiki raw> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WikiWishlist says to append /src or /text to the URL
[05:48] <fabbione> elmo: and how would you handle warty? as old-stable?
[05:49] <elmo> kamion: score, thanks
[05:49] <Lathiat> 'stale' :)
[05:49] <elmo> fabbione: either that or nothing
[05:49] <elmo> 'cos warty's here for 18 months, and old-old-stable would be, well, silly ;)
[05:49] <Kamion> Lathiat: we can just keep deleting letters until the name is empty, at which point we purge the suite
[05:49] <mdz> fix0ring
[05:50] <fabbione> elmo: with breezy out, warty would be very-old-stable :)
[05:50] <mdz> elmo: stable symlinks are evil
[05:50] <fabbione> elmo: yeah exactly my point ;)
[05:50] <Lathiat> and then extremely-old-stable ?
[05:50] <Mithrandir> or just very-stable
[05:50] <Mithrandir> and ultra-stable.
[05:50] <fabbione> Mithrandir ++
[05:50] <Nafallo> jdub: it doesn't?
[05:50] <Lathiat> Mithrandir: haha
[05:50] <Kamion> dwarf-bread
[05:50] <Mithrandir> (in the IBM sense of the word "stable")
[05:50] <mdz> also-also-stable
[05:51] <Mithrandir> (meaning "dead")
[05:51] <fabbione> stable -> warty
[05:51] <Kamion> also-sprach-zarathustra
[05:51] <fabbione> possibly-stable -> hoary
[05:51] <fabbione> will-be-stable -> breezy
[05:51] <daniels> doko: er, where did you attach ddcprobe output?
[05:51] <Kamion> we could use stable for blessed five-year-plan releases, if those ever happen
[05:51] <mdz> Kamion: so as I slept, I thought about what a shame it is about the bootloader text on the DVDs
[05:51] <Mithrandir> we have a software management system at the university with 10 different stability levels.
[05:51] <Mithrandir> Kamion: "rock-1", "rock-2" and so on?
[05:52] <Kamion> mdz: you're going to ask me to fix it, aren't you? :)
[05:52] <mdz> Kamion: I'd like to give it a shot; if we don't get there in time, we can release with what we have
[05:52] <Kamion> I can bodge it in debian-cd if I have to; I'd rather not fix the other boot screens though
[05:52] <doko> daniels, ok, forgot to enter the description
[05:52] <mdz> just isolinux.txt
[05:52] <Kamion> i.e. the f1-f10 help menus will probably still say CD and talk about installation
[05:52] <Kamion> ok, that's doable
[05:53] <mdz> we've gone to some trouble over the live stuff; it'd be a shame to keep it a secret ;-)
[05:53] <mdz> that's the only thing I'm interested in; instructing the user to type 'live' to get a live session
[05:53] <Kamion> mdz: I'll let my jigdo-for-dummies approach to downloading the powerpc DVD finish, and then give it a go
[05:53] <fabbione> mdz: let me remind you that this morning you told me that it was too time consuming :)
[05:53] <mdz> fabbione: I know, but I have slept now, and I feel secure in the fact that everything else is OK
[05:53] <daniels> Mithrandir: eh, surely we'd have to symlink rock -> ../debian
[05:54] <fabbione> mdz: ehheh :)
[05:54] <Kamion> mdz: (a.k.a. "cat live CD, cat all debs and udebs listed in the ISO indexes in extent order, rsync the result")
[05:54] <mdz> first things first
[05:54] <mdz> Kamion: haha
[05:54] <mdz> my powerpc dvd is a bit older than I'd like due to running out of disk space
[05:54] <mdz> so it'll take a bit for me as well
[05:55] <fabbione> Kamion: when i installed from the DVD (i386) partman gave me the option to partition my DVD :)
[05:56] <Mithrandir> mdz: nothing like testing while asleep?
[05:56] <fabbione> Kamion: does it recognize DVD that can work in packet mode?
[05:56] <Mithrandir> "I've slept on it, and it didn't give me nightmares.  Must be stable"
[05:56] <Kamion> fabbione: yes
[05:56] <Kamion> fabbione: libparted claims that a DVD-RW is writable
[05:57] <Kamion> it's not ideal, but fixing it didn't seem obvious
[05:57] <fabbione> Kamion: eheh neat
[05:57] <fabbione> i should try to install on a DVD from a net boot
[05:58] <Kamion> To run a preinstalled system from the DVD, type 'live' then ENTER.
[05:58] <Kamion> mdz: will that do?
[05:58] <mdz> Kamion: sabdfl? ^^
[05:58] <Kamion> mdz: he's not here
[05:59] <sladen> 1/whois mako
[06:01] <daniels> doko: right, it's what i thought, it picked up your lcd as a crt
[06:01] <daniels> doko: xserver-xorg did the right thing given the circumstances.  i'll look at xresprobe code later.
[06:02] <dholbach> re
[06:15] <thom> right, i need to go out for about 4 hours. back about 2100
[06:21] <Mithrandir> jbailey: seems like mkinitrd is massively unhappy when / is on /dev/i2o/hda. :/
[06:22] <jbailey> Mithrandir: Is this a new bug, or a configuration you've not tried before?
[06:23] <Mithrandir> jbailey: untried, cause I don't have boxes with expensive raid controllers lying about.
[06:24] <jbailey> Mithrandir: 'kay.  I don't think we have any magic in there right now to dealw ith /dev/i2o* at all, and I think that udev-in-initramfs make that silently work.  Is this a system you generally have access to for playing with?  If so, for how long?
[06:28] <Mithrandir> jbailey: it's ordinarily in production, but I can always take it out.
[06:28] <Mithrandir> it's being reinstalled now
[06:28] <jbailey> Mithrandir: I'm curious if the initramfs stuff I have now already detects it correctly.  I suspect it would.
[06:29] <jbailey> Mithrandir: It's not integrated to the installer, though, so it needs to be done from a runnign system.
[06:30] <jbailey> Hmm.  I could just hand you an initramfs to try, though.  Even just dropping to a shell and seeing if the node is there with right major, minor would be enough I guess.
[06:30] <Mithrandir> jbailey: I can check if I can get you a shell on the box.
[06:30] <jbailey> Mithrandir: That's cool, but unless there's serial access, I can't do the reboot test to see into the initramfs and see if it's actually working.
[06:30] <Mithrandir> jbailey: to complicate stuff, the system is 500kms away from me, so I have to ask people to do stuff which needs console access.
[06:31] <Mithrandir> I can see if I can arrange serial
[06:31] <Mithrandir> that ought to work.
[06:31] <Mithrandir> I got to run an errand for Karianne first; managed to have one of her gerbils bite her finger, brb.
[06:33] <sterwill> I upgraded one of my servers to Hoary RC yesterday, and I think I've found a critical bug in the snmpd package.
[06:35] <fabbione> sterwill: what kind of bug?
[06:36] <fabbione> (given that it is too late to get it fixed anyway)
[06:36] <sterwill> /var/lib/snmp is created owned (and only writable) by root, but snmpd runs as user snmp.
[06:37] <sterwill> So it complains via syslog that it can't open files there, and custom user tokens won't ever take effect.
[06:37] <fabbione> sterwill: this is a possible canidate for hoary-updates..
[06:37] <lamont> sterwill: that sounds like one for bugzilla
[06:37] <fabbione> please file a bug in bugzilla with all the details
[06:37] <sterwill> OK, I'll file it.
[06:37] <sterwill> Most people never use this functionality, so they can just ignore the warnings in syslog.
[06:37] <doko> Kamion; powerpc DVD works ok on a Powerbook
[06:40] <Kamion> doko: kewl, thanks - my rsync's at 50% here
[06:42] <Kamion> doing the maths I think that means it's busy downloading language packs which weren't up to date on my mirror
[06:42] <tritium> fabbione, I saw your review of krecipes.  Do you recall if it had a lintian.override for the warnings at the time you reviewed it?
[06:43] <fabbione> tritium: yes, it did
[06:43] <fabbione> i did the review 2/3 hours ago
[06:43] <fabbione> according the url on the wiki
[06:44] <fabbione> tritium: the lintian override triggered my attention to the problem
[06:44] <mdz> powerpc DVD live successful, powerpc DVD install in progress
[06:44] <tritium> fabbione, okay, just checking.  I used the override based on the wording of paragraph 3: http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:uLZusixuXP0J:lintian.debian.org/reports/Tnon-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink.html+&hl=en&start=1
[06:44] <fabbione> no no...
[06:44] <fabbione> tritium: the package needs splitting
[06:44] <fabbione> there is no override there
[06:45] <fabbione> it's just wrong
[06:45] <fabbione> tritium: the override should not be there in the first place. and the source should create the 3 packages i mentioned in the review
[06:45] <fabbione> the use of overrides is just bad.
[06:46] <fabbione> not because you are using it wrongly.. 
[06:46] <fabbione> it should be used at all :)
[06:46] <tritium> fabbione, okay, thanks.  Since the package was small, I thought I could trust the info on lintian.debian.org
[06:47] <tritium> I will ask ogra not to upload it.
[06:47] <fabbione> tritium: lintian is a checker.. it cannot understand that the package needs a split
[06:47] <Kamion> overrides aren't necessarily bad; however, they should only be used when lintian is generally correct about that particular type of problem, but when the package in question is a legitimate weird exception
[06:48] <fabbione> tritium: the warning on the libs should have ring a bell that something was wrong :)
[06:48] <sterwill> I'm not sure which package to log the bug against.  /var/lib/snmp is part of three packages (libsnmp5, libsnmp-base, libsnmp4.2), neither of which puts any files in it.  snmpd puts the file there when it starts (as root), then sets its uid to snmp, and can't open it when it closes.
[06:48] <fabbione> Kamion: yes and i agree with you when you have a certain experience in understanding lintian
[06:48] <tritium> fabbione, yes, but it appears to be a reasonable exception, rather than making 2 new packages for only 2 files
[06:48] <dholbach> i'm not sure there is something wrong with the package... the paragraph tritium cited seems to be exactly the corner case he hit
[06:49] <fabbione> tritium: no exception there.. libs needs to be packaged in a certain way, and the -dev package too.
[06:49] <fabbione> tritium: there are very good reasons for doing it
[06:49] <Kamion> fabbione: (I agree with you in this case, though)
[06:50] <fabbione> dholbach: the problem is that the final .deb has libs and headers in it. together with the program that uses them
[06:50] <tritium> fabbione, fair enough.
[06:50] <fabbione> tritium: let me find you a reference for it
[06:50] <dholbach> hrm
[06:50] <tritium> fabbione, the URL above is what I referenced.
[06:51] <fabbione> dholbach: in that case you need a libfoo$soname, libfoo-dev and the foo-application
[06:51] <tritium> I pasted the google cache since lintian.debian.org seems to be donw
[06:51] <tritium> down
[06:51] <fabbione> tritium: no, i am searching the reason why it is good to have a split
[06:51] <tritium> fabbione, I don't question you on that point.
[06:52] <dholbach> fabbione: i understand the case in general and had that solution in mind as well, but it seemed to be a bit of overkill - but maybe my judgement is plainly wrong
[06:52] <fabbione> dholbach: check all the libx<$whatever>
[06:52] <fabbione> the are all made of 2/3 files
[06:53] <tritium> dholbach, it's not your fault.  It was my judgement.  I should not have trusted the info on lintian.debian.org
[06:53] <fabbione> ok i need to get dinner now.. wife is calling
[06:53] <fabbione> i will come back in a short time
[06:53] <dholbach> fabbione: libx* is actually being used :-)
[06:53] <fabbione> and we can talk again
[06:53] <dholbach> alright
[06:53] <tritium> see you, fabbione 
[06:54] <pitti> hi again
[06:58] <astharot> ciao
[07:01] <mdz> new DVD images are syncing
[07:02] <Kamion> I was about to say that they're up, yeah
[07:02] <Kamion> again, I've hardlinked the previous powerpc image in there to avoid confusiong
[07:02] <Kamion> -g
[07:02] <mdz> thanks
[07:02] <lamont> Kamion: cdimages are still the same as last night (archive-copier)?
[07:02] <Kamion> lamont: I fixed archive-copier and we respun the CDs
[07:02] <lamont> right
[07:03] <lamont> those, I have.
[07:03] <lamont> how golden do we think these are?
[07:03] <mdz> elmo: how soon can we get the ISOs mirrored once they're published to releases?
[07:03] <mdz> elmo: we have some time, so we can do it early if needed, and maybe catch some normal mirror pulses
[07:04] <Kamion> I'll do the pre-publish thing in a moment
[07:04] <elmo> mdz: how do you mean?  triggered folks or non-triggered folks?  I don't have timing info for the latter
[07:04] <mdz> elmo: both
[07:05] <mdz> elmo: mm, no logging from rsyncd?
[07:05] <mxpxpod> is there a reason my OO.o icons in the panel menu aren't showing up?
[07:06] <pitti> Kamion: erm, yet another DVD image now?
[07:06] <Kamion> pitti: yes, boot screen text change
[07:07] <elmo> mdz: sure, but given rsync limits, round-robining, determing other people's schedule isn't trivial
[07:07] <pitti> Kamion: ah ok, so rsync should be fast
[07:07] <Kamion> should be quick to rsync
[07:07] <dholbach> is the amd64 dvd sane now
[07:07] <dholbach> ?
[07:07] <Kamion> mdz: so what's the schedule for tomorrow morning? i.e. what time do I need to get to sleep / not go to sleep / whatever?
[07:08] <Kamion> dholbach: should be, I have it here but haven't quite tested it yet
[07:08] <dholbach> Kamion: alright, will rsync
[07:09] <Kamion> dholbach: thanks for testing
[07:09] <dholbach> Kamion: de rien
[07:09] <elmo> mdz: triggered ones should be done in minutes, depending on amount to sync
[07:09] <tritium> Kamion, have you had many people testing on G5?  I've got access to one that I check the LiveCD on...
[07:10] <tritium> "can" check, that is
[07:10] <Kamion> tritium: G5 testing has been patchy, more would definitely be appreciated; there've been problems on certain models, usually kernel-dependent I think
[07:11] <tritium> Kamion, okay, I'll give it a try.
[07:13] <Kamion> mdz: it'd be good if we could get the release up somewhat in advance of the announcement to give a few mirrors the chance to start torrent seeding; Md offered to do that if he got some notice
[07:13] <elmo> I thought the announcement was due like 8am tomorrow?
[07:15] <fabbione> elmo: 8 UTC 
[07:16] <fabbione> tritium, dholbach: should we take the lib stuff on #ubuntu-motu?
[07:16] <Kamion> ok, releases.ubuntu.com/.pool/ should have the probably-final images now
[07:16] <dholbach> fabbione: i trust your judgement completely and will be off testing amd64-dvd-install in some minutes
[07:17] <tritium> fabbione, only if you have time.  I don't want to take you away from important stuff.
[07:17] <mdz> Kamion: 0800 UTC has been the release announcement target
[07:17] <Kamion> mdz: same question as for RC: where are Kubuntu images going?
[07:17] <mdz> Kamion: agreed, re: mirrors
[07:17] <Kamion> mdz: ok, I'll nap and be up early then
[07:17] <fabbione> dholbach, tritium: i have time and it is important for both of you to understand :) it's not just question of judgment ;)
[07:18] <mdz> Kamion: was the reason for not publishing them to releases that we hadn't prepared the publishing scripts, or due to not wanting to inflate the size of releases?
[07:18] <mdz> we will need mirrors for kubuntu nearly as much as for ubuntu, I expect
[07:18] <Kamion> mdz: partly the latter and partly that we thought it implied Kubuntu being golden, I thought
[07:18] <mdz> Kamion: I'd like them on releases unless there's a compelling reason not to do so
[07:19] <mdz> have they been tested yet?
[07:19] <elmo> giggle
[07:19] <mdz> Kamion: I suppose we should roll new kubuntu DVDs
[07:19] <Kamion> I'm already doing that
[07:20] <mdz> thanks
[07:21] <SuperQ> I saw that the new ubuntu-artwork package has the new circle of people
[07:21] <SuperQ> but the screenshot is old
[07:22] <Kamion> mdz: there's discussion in http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-devel-2005-03-30.html, search for /kubuntu
[07:22] <SuperQ> so when you browse to it in the theme manager, you see the 3 people from warty
[07:22] <Kamion> although I suspect that's not complete
[07:22] <mdz> powerpc DVD install successful
[07:22] <elmo> triggered mirrors synced
[07:22] <mdz> powerpc DVD -> gold
[07:22] <elmo> so it takes that long, for ref
[07:23] <Kamion> elmo: ... i.e. not long
[07:23] <lamont> SuperQ: is already in bugzilla
[07:23] <Kamion> 07:06 sabdfl     mdz: we can't put it on the releases tree, or people will
[07:23] <Kamion>                  think it's golden
[07:23] <pitti> mdz: just tried the new ppc dvd with install, works fine, too (already tried live)
[07:23] <Kamion> oh, he was talking about ia64 there
[07:23] <SuperQ> lamont: coo
[07:23] <elmo> ah, hmm, which reminds me
[07:23] <elmo> time to go architecture killing on archive.u.c
[07:24] <Kamion> do we have anything like releases.kubuntu.com available?
[07:26] <pitti> Kamion: btw, ppc/install DVD still copies _all_ packages to the hard drive
[07:26] <pitti> (or does it?)
[07:26] <Kamion> pitti: really? it should copy only Task: ubuntu-ship
[07:27] <lamont> elmo: woohoo!
[07:27] <Kamion> pitti: (but if it doesn't, it's a breezy thing ...)
[07:27] <pitti> Kamion: sorry, no, nevermind
[07:29] <pitti> uh, install DVD still asks whether to download language-support-foo
[07:29] <Kamion> odd
[07:29] <Kamion> which language, I'll test?
[07:29] <pitti> de
[07:30] <pitti> Kamion: l-support-de should be on the DVD, right?
[07:30] <Kamion> yeah
[07:30] <Kamion> d'oh, I suck
[07:30] <pitti> Kamion: well, that should be only cosmetical, right?
[07:31] <Kamion> I was grepping only over the list of packages to copy
[07:31] <pitti> with the DVD being an apt source, it should not really require net
[07:31] <Kamion> well, no, remember it'll have been ejected
[07:31] <Kamion> the right answer is to copy language-support-$LL and its dependencies to the disk, for whatever languages you selected
[07:32] <doko> pitti: any chance with the greek OOo1 font display?
[07:32] <Kamion> oh well, fix for breezy
[07:32] <mako> doko: is the python note you saw in the release notes or in the announcement
[07:32] <mdz> doko: release notes
[07:32] <pitti> doko: sorry, still did not test this; I'm installing the DVD, when this is finished, I have a system with OO.o
[07:32] <mdz> s/doko/mako/
[07:32] <pitti> doko: btw, does it work for you?
[07:32] <mako> ok.. i have no lock on that one at the moment :)
[07:32] <doko> mako: in the mail mdz sent
[07:32] <doko> pitti: yes, it does
[07:33] <Kamion> pitti: todo note added in my working copy
[07:33] <doko> pitti: but the bug submitter claims that it doesn't work for him
[07:33] <pitti> Kamion: thanks (saves me from typing a bug report, hehe)
[07:33] <Kamion> pitti: bug report's good too ;)
[07:33] <pitti> Kamion: shall I file one in addition?
[07:33] <mdz> what mail did I send?
[07:34] <Kamion> pitti: yeah, if you wouldn't mind
[07:34] <mako> is there a reason we don't have the forums in this list?
[07:34] <mdz> nope
[07:36] <mako> alright, they should be there
[07:37] <mdz> mako: who has a forums account and can post the announcement there?
[07:37] <mako> mdz: announce is automatically mirrored there
[07:38] <mdz> ah, ok
[07:38] <dholbach> ok... dvd burned, will install - see you later guys
[07:38] <doko> mdz: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-March/000019.html (for the python reference)
[07:39] <mdz> that's the preview announcement
[07:39] <mdz> it really did have 2.4, not 2.4.1
[07:39] <mdz> doko: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DraftHoaryReleaseAnnouncement
[07:39] <Treenaks> and gnome wasn't released yesterday anymore ;)
[07:43] <Lathiat> mdz: as i mentioned earlier, 'k-bling' probably shouldn't be in the kubuntu section :)
[07:44] <Riddell> what's wrong with k-bling?  k-bling rules!
[07:45] <Lathiat> Riddell: sure, but i'm not sure its the right word for such an article :)
[07:48] <sabdfl> mako: you might also... that is also... need to drop one also
[07:48] <sabdfl> Lathiat: k-bling is a little joke, let's let it slide
[07:48] <Lathiat> sabdfl: ok :)
[07:48] <sabdfl> we're allowed to tease the k-dudes
[07:48] <mako> i am going to do another read through. i wanted to let someone else get to it and also nto let me lock expire :)
[07:48] <Lathiat> sabdfl: wasn't sure if it was, or if it was meant for later substitution :)
[07:48] <Lathiat> Is anyone else having issues with www.ubuntu.com being stupidly slow?
[07:48] <sabdfl> i'm biased, i wrote that, so shout if it's in really bad taste :-)
[07:49] <Lathiat> or do i have some kind of link issue from here
[07:49] <mdz> amd64 DVD live successful
[07:49] <mako> sabdfl: i'm still thinking about it :)
[07:49] <mdz> amd64 DVD install in progress
[07:49] <sabdfl> the new site is running on gnome, the old one was on kde
[07:49] <fgx> Lathiat, me
[07:49] <sabdfl> mdz: ccoonnggrraattss
[07:49] <fabbione> i386 DVD live in progress
[07:49] <mdz> sabdfl: I agree with Lathiat about k-bling; it's pejorative
[07:49] <mako> Lathiat: that's because everyone is reloading it repeatedly to make sure it's not a fluke
[07:50] <mako> Lathiat: and because it's so just much more fun to use now :)
[07:50] <mdz> kubuntu is doing their own release announcement; I don't think we need to say much (if anything) about them
[07:50] <sabdfl> mako: ack on the also.. also... thing?
[07:50] <Treenaks> "k-thxbye" ?
[07:50] <Lathiat> mako: ha ha
[07:50] <sabdfl> mdz: only one will be picked up by the media, we should refer to kubuntu
[07:50] <Lathiat> mako: but like.. it hasn't hit slashdot yet :)
[07:50] <Lathiat> it does look sexy but
[07:50] <Lathiat> who do i blame for that?
[07:50] <mako> Lathiat: *yet*
[07:51] <Riddell> yep, a quite reference to kubuntu in the first paragraph or two would be nice
[07:51] <Pizbit> Ah! I knew the website would change at this rough time(hoary release)
[07:51] <Lathiat> mako: yes but that fact its slow now and hasn't hit slashdot yet, problem no? :)
[07:52] <mako> Lathiat: hmmm
[07:52] <Treenaks> Lathiat: pre-slashdotting, so you won't notice the real thing
[07:52] <Pizbit> Heh
[07:52] <ogra> ARGH, thew wiki is down ?
[07:52] <sladen> slashdotted by the loos
[07:52] <Pizbit> Just paste the i386 install torrent link and I'll be happy:)
[07:52] <Lathiat> mako: (in all seriousness, seems to take a while to spit the page out, and then it comes up in a flash 
[07:52] <sladen> looks.  I thought there was a proxy infront of it
[07:52] <Pizbit> (In due time of course)
[07:52] <kent> the new look for the homepage do looke very good, but atleast the planet looks strange on my epiphany (Hoary)
[07:53] <ogra> sladen, i steal the css from the wiki for hwdb.ubuntu.com..... :(
[07:53] <Nafallo> 5 people. have we changed logo? ;-)
[07:54] <ogra> ah, its just slow
[07:54] <sladen> Nafallo: it's going to be 7 people next time (increasing prime numbers...)
[07:54] <jdub> kent: p.u.c needs the loving
[07:54] <Lathiat> sladen: eventually we will need 24" widescreen displays to look at all the people! :)
[07:55] <Nafallo> sladen: seems a bad idea. two more ppl made it slow ;-).
[07:55] <fabbione> i386 DVD live is GO
[07:55] <fabbione> i386 DVD install in progress
[07:55] <Pizbit> Yep, planet.ubuntulinux.org looks odd
[07:56] <Treenaks> wow @ new site..
[07:57] <SuperQ> I should be able to output about 10mbit of torrents
[07:58] <ogra> jdub, will the hackergochis be added to p.u.c once ? i still only have mako, keybuk, Mithrandir and kinnison there
[07:58] <Nafallo> should releases.u.c be that white? ;-)
[07:59] <mdz> jbailey: ping?
[07:59] <mako> Nafallo: please yes
[07:59] <mako> or rather
[07:59] <sabdfl> mako: ack the also/also thing please
[07:59] <mako> sabdfl: got it
[08:00] <mako> sabdfl: sorry
[08:00] <sabdfl> cool
[08:00] <Kamion> can somebody point me at what I need to grab to make releases.u.c look like www.u.c?
[08:01] <elmo> kamion: ask hno
[08:02] <mdz> i386 DVD live successful
[08:05] <SuperQ> mdz: what's the predicted space requirement for all of the ISOs?
[08:05] <mdz> amd64 DVD install successful
[08:05] <mdz> amd64 DVD -> gold
[08:05] <smurfix> Treenaks: not-wow at still not being able to log in :-/
[08:05] <mdz> SuperQ: which ones do you mean by all?
[08:05] <Pizbit> mdz: Hehe, you sound like a bot putting it like that:)
[08:06] <mdz> Pizbit: what a great idea
[08:06] <mdz> Pizbit: we should have a bot which does automated install and live CD testing ;-)
[08:06] <Kamion> Pizbit: is it because of your mother that you say that?
[08:06] <SuperQ> mdz: live/install, all arch, binary CD /DVD
[08:06] <Mithrandir> mdz: that's certainly doable.
[08:06] <Pizbit> Kamion: Extremely doubtful
[08:06] <pitti> mdz: did you get some scary errors on "Registering documentation", too?
[08:07] <mdz> SuperQ: about 14G
[08:07] <Kamion> cjwatson@little:~$ du -c cdimage/www/full/{daily,daily-live,dvd}/current/*.iso | tail -n1
[08:07] <Kamion> 12397132        total
[08:07] <astharot> hey guys
[08:07] <Kamion> SuperQ: ^--
[08:07] <astharot> did you see spaces.msn.com logo ?
[08:07] <SuperQ> Kamion: thanks
[08:07] <pitti> we did
[08:07] <astharot> pitti: it looks quite familiar! :D
[08:07] <Pizbit> mdz: Get one of those wooden pecker things Homer used in the simpsons to just repeditively hit enter to keep the install going too!
[08:07] <SuperQ> dang.. I need to put another disk in my workstation ;)
[08:08] <pitti> ppc/install with latest dvd successful
[08:09] <Pizbit> astharot: They even have the 'heads' in the same places
[08:09] <astharot> Pizbit: they have everything in the same places... 
[08:11] <blueyed> Who's rollinh the changes to ubuntulinux.org out? It might be a good idea to rename the .css files (so the fresh ones get picked up automatically)..
[08:12] <Kamion> blueyed: I've passed that on
[08:13] <blueyed> and it's indeed beautiful - you might want to pass this also on :)
[08:14] <mako> so what the word on the u.c vs ul.o and the release announcement?
[08:14] <mako> it's looking goooood
[08:14] <dholbach> amd64-install-dvd has the bug pitti mentioned: wants to download german langpacks
[08:14] <dholbach> and dpkg says before installing "amd64 is not in architecture lookup table"
[08:14] <mdz> yes, it'll apply to all DVDs unfortunately
[08:14] <dholbach> as a warning
[08:14] <dholbach> but proceeds anyway
[08:14] <mdz> but it isn't a showstopper
[08:14] <pitti> I filed a bug about this
[08:14] <mdz> I saw
[08:15] <pitti> mdz: <pitti> mdz: did you get some scary errors on "Registering documentation", too?
[08:15] <dholbach> apart from that NICE work
[08:15] <pitti> ^ this really is a bit scary
[08:15] <mdz> pitti: errors, or warnings?
[08:15] <mdz> I do not watch the install, generally
[08:15] <mdz> I wait for it to finish and then verify the functionality in the desktop
[08:15] <pitti> mdz: three "I/O Error: could not open file" or so
[08:15] <pitti> it doesn't really hurt, installation continues
[08:15] <mdz> pitti: check dmesg
[08:15] <pitti> it just looks scary
[08:16] <pitti> mdz: it's during doc registration
[08:16] <mdz> pitti: yes, but is it a real I/O error, or something like a document trying to access a network URL?
[08:16] <pitti> mdz: nothing really useful in dmesg
[08:16] <pitti> mdz: it's probably the latter
[08:16] <Lathiat> mako: website is going mucho faster now
[08:16] <pitti> mdz: I don't have network currently (on the laptop)
[08:17] <jordi> mako: I think it's the latter
[08:17] <dholbach> will be rebooting or do you have a special amd64 install wish?
[08:18] <dholbach> will reboot :-)
[08:20] <zyga> mvo: hey
[08:20] <mvo> hey zyga 
[08:20] <fabbione> i386 DVD install is GO
[08:20] <fabbione> i386 DVD -> gold
[08:21] <trygvebw> Hi! I'm just wondering when the Breezy Badger repositories will be available?
[08:21] <trygvebw> Tomorrow or later?
[08:21] <mdz> trygvebw: when we start doing development on breezy
[08:22] <trygvebw> mdz: OK :) And when will that be?
[08:22] <mdz> (there isn't much point in creating it until we have something to put there)
[08:22] <fabbione> trygvebw: in a few weeks
[08:22] <fabbione> we are all going to hawaii first :P
[08:22] <trygvebw> okay :)
[08:22] <mdz> trygvebw: I expect we'll rest at least the weekend before diving in again ;-)
[08:22] <trygvebw> :P
[08:22] <mdz> releases are very stressful and a lot of work
[08:23] <fabbione> mdz: i386 dvd is all green light here
[08:23] <fabbione> everything is flashing...
[08:23] <mdz> fabbione: I have an i386 dvd install in progress here
[08:23] <mdz> the final test
[08:23] <fabbione> mdz: yeps
[08:23] <Mithrandir> trygvebw: impatient Norwegians, I say. ;)
[08:23] <trygvebw> XD
[08:24] <trygvebw> :)
[08:24] <trygvebw> that's quite different from warty and hoary? why was it chosen?
[08:25] <Mithrandir> trygvebw: you should join #ubuntu-no too; not much activity there yet, though :/
[08:25] <Nafallo> I'll check my mirrorlogs and notice breezy ;-)
[08:25] <dholbach> re
[08:25] <trygvebw> Mithrandor: ok :) :P
[08:25] <trygvebw> *ir
[08:25] <mdz> fabbione: your i386 system is not SMP, is it?
[08:25] <mdz> I'm curious whether that works
[08:26] <fabbione> mdz: no :(
[08:26] <fabbione> it's an old P3 700
[08:26] <fabbione> mdz: donations are always welcome
[08:26] <fabbione> :P
[08:26] <fabbione> a gigabit backbone would also be nice to have :)
[08:27] <zul> hawaii? i like that..
[08:27] <mdz> donations to the "send mdz to hawaii" fund are welcome
[08:28] <fabbione> mdz: ehheheh
[08:28] <Mithrandir> mdz: you're going to .au, just drop off in hawaii?
[08:28] <mdz> Mithrandir: parachute?
[08:28] <Mithrandir> mdz: hijack the plane.
[08:28] <ogra> Mithrandir, haey, but only on the way back .....
[08:28] <Mithrandir> mdz: just use the metal thingy from inside a bra, it looks enough to hijack a plane with.
[08:29] <fabbione> Mithrandir: ahaha you are really evil today :)
[08:29] <GhostFreeman> will i be banned for asking an approx time for Hoary Final
[08:29] <mdz> Mithrandir: you aren't allowed to bring those on flights originating or terminating in the US anymore ;-)
[08:29] <Nafallo> baah. they give you fork and knife when you get on ;-)
[08:29] <ogra> lol
[08:29] <Mithrandir> mdz: uhm, you're not allowed to wear bras?
[08:29] <Mithrandir> fabbione: just got inspiration after we had to get one such out of the washing machine today.
[08:29] <mdz> GhostFreeman: approximately 0800 UTC
[08:29] <ogra> funny
[08:29] <GhostFreeman> k
[08:30] <mdz> Mithrandir: you aren't allowed to carry cable crimpers
[08:30] <ogra> mdz, as bra's ?
[08:30] <fabbione> mvo: aahhahaha
[08:30] <jbailey> mdz: Here.
[08:30] <Mithrandir> ogra: please, my mental images.
[08:31] <ogra> heh
[08:31] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: you suggested it
[08:31] <lamont> back in a bit
[08:31] <Treenaks> I have one of these: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/tools/6d98/
[08:31] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: I did _not_ suggest mdz wear a crimped bra.
[08:31] <mdz> jbailey: have you hugged an ISO today?
[08:31] <fabbione> lamont: do you want me to take my AP with me?
[08:31] <Treenaks> and I'm pretty sure airport security won't spot it :)
[08:32] <elmo> Mithrandir: (underwired)
[08:32] <jbailey> mdz: I haven't.  Got a setup you want tested most?
[08:32] <mdz> jbailey: if I had to choose one, it'd be hoary-install-i386, followed by hoary-live-i386
[08:32] <Lathiat> mako: website is going mucho faster now
[08:33] <Lathiat> argh ignore that
[08:33] <Lathiat> stupid focus
[08:33] <mdz> thom: around?
[08:33] <Kamion> hmm, I ought to fix the jigdo files to not point at daily-installer-*; that bit me post-warty
[08:33] <mako> Lathiat: dejavu ;)
[08:33] <jbailey> mdz: Usually pulls from cdimage seem to take forever from here, I'll see how quick those pull down and then do the matching set for PPC if they're coming down quick enough.
[08:33] <elmo> mdz: he went out for a bit
[08:34] <mdz> jbailey: it helps to download in advance and then rsync up to the latest image
[08:34] <elmo> jbailey: us.archive.u.c also has a (usually fairly current) cdimage mirror, FWIW
[08:34] <jbailey> mdz: My experience with rsync and iso's has been that they aren't any faster.  I have a recent ppc install iso.  Is there a special flag to make it not just pull the whole thing again?
[08:35] <jbailey> elmo: YEah, mdz pointed me to that, it's been much nicer for testing.
[08:35] <mdz> jbailey: I use rsync on our ISOs literally every day
[08:35] <mako> i can get some independent verification of the fact that clicking the login link from anywhere in the new website when looking at www.ubuntu.com takes you to ubuntulinux.org and, as a result, works
[08:35] <mdz> with excellent results
[08:35] <mdz> of course, if your ISO is a week or two old, it's not much use
[08:35] <mako> ^^^^^^^^^^^ sorry, CAN i?
[08:36] <mdz> mako: that's a fairly ridiculous "fix" for the problem
[08:36] <mako> mdz: yes, it is
[08:36] <mdz> does plone really not support virtual hosts or something?
[08:36] <mako> or something is i think where our problem lies
[08:37] <mdz> mako: yes, it does the same for me here, including big red flashing security warnings
[08:37] <mdz> and I end up with a very broken page
[08:37] <jdub> oof, i'm getting old css for some reason
[08:37] <jdub> on w.u.c
[08:37] <mako> jdub: me too.. but only on UL.org
[08:37] <fabbione> pitti: and now tell me that you have a CAN for me to fix by tomorrow with 60 remote root exploit :P
[08:37] <mako> jdub: restart your browser.. cached css can be abnoxious
[08:37] <mako> jdub: that did it for me
[08:37] <pitti> fabbione: didn't I tell you already?
[08:38] <fabbione> pitti: meh.. no :(
[08:38] <fabbione> ehhe
[08:38] <jdub> mako: mine just managed to go from new to old css with a force reload
[08:38] <mdz> mako: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/temp/Screenshot-Ubuntu%20-%20Linux%20for%20Human%20Beings%20-%20Mozilla%20Firefox.png
[08:38] <jdub> (after being confused about b0rk css on other machine)
[08:38] <pitti> fabbione: I discovered one more: "sudo rm -r /" will corrupt your file system
[08:38] <mako> jdub: wonderful
[08:38] <mako> mdz: i saw something like that too
[08:38] <mako> hn
[08:38] <mako> dude.. we need hno in here
[08:38] <elmo> jdub: spethial
[08:39] <pitti> fabbione: bad for a simple "read mail" command :-)
[08:39] <jdub> mdz: that's what i'm getting on w.u.c
[08:39] <Mithrandir> pitti: if it actually corrupts your file system, that sounds like a kernel bug. :P
[08:39] <mdz> i386 DVD install successful
[08:39] <pitti> Mithrandir: sure, what else :-)
[08:39] <mdz> 12/12 successful for me
[08:39] <Mithrandir> pitti: it could be a gtk bug.
[08:40] <pitti> Mithrandir: well, we could use evolution instead of the command-line readmail (rm) command
[08:40] <mako> hno73: hola
[08:40] <hno73> mako: hi
[08:40] <mdz> hno73: we're seeing quite a bit of this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/temp/Screenshot-Ubuntu%20-%20Linux%20for%20Human%20Beings%20-%20Mozilla%20Firefox.png
[08:40] <Mithrandir> pitti: yeah, then it'd be a gtk bug
[08:41] <mako> hno73: can i get some independent verification of the fact that clicking the login link from anywhere in the new website when looking at www.ubuntu.com takes you to ubuntulinux.org and, as a result, works ?
[08:41] <mdz> hno73: and similar problems, apparently CSS-related
[08:41] <mako> mdz: restarting firefox made that one go away for me
[08:41] <mako> it did not make the ubuntulinux.org login screen with the old CSS go away
[08:42] <mako> is there a proxy/cache somewhere that needs to get to whalloped?
[08:42] <hno73> I've had some strange things in firefox too
[08:42] <jdub> the old css makes baby jesus cry :-)
[08:42] <hno73> IE seems ok though ...
[08:43] <jdub> especially now that he's seen the new web site
[08:43] <mako> mdz: there's the solution
[08:43] <jdub> baby jesus *digs* the new web site design
[08:43] <mako> mdz: you mean, you're not using ie
[08:43] <trygvebw-away> yeah, but the design is #ubuntu'ed
[08:43] <trygvebw-away> :P
[08:44] <mdz> hno73: someone suggested using different filenames for the new CSS to avoid this problem
[08:44] <hno73> mdz: OK, can we do that at this stage?
[08:44] <mako> hno73: i also need to know if my interpretation of the "fix" for the login issues is (a) correct and (b) will work
[08:45] <lamont_r> no, I'm not really here...
[08:45] <lamont_r> this isn't the lamont you were looking for
[08:45] <mdz> hno73: I am the wrong person to ask ;-)
[08:45] <mako> hno73: we'd prefer to use ubuntu.com domains in the release announcement but aren't going to do that if it keeps people from logging in
[08:45] <hno73> mako: you mean restarting firefox?
[08:46] <jdub> mdz: i think that suggestion was raised because other sites aren't including the new css files (ie. p.u.c)
[08:46] <mako> hno73: no, as in, when you click login anywhere from the new site while looking at u.c it takes you to a login screen at ul.org
[08:46] <hno73> has this just started happening after the skin change?
[08:46] <jdub> mdz: and plone has a custom css file for doing just this
[08:46] <mdz> jdub: it also avoids the caching problem
[08:46] <mako> hno73: i can't verify that.. i haven't tested it in weeks
[08:46] <jdub> mdz: no, the suggestion implied using the existing plone css files, same names, etc.
[08:47] <Robot101> why is the CSS on shipit.ubuntu.com so horrible? :)
[08:47] <jdub> mdz: which the new design does, but also adds more that you have to include manually
[08:47] <mdz> jdub: then we're talking about different suggestions
[08:47] <mako> Robot101: dude.. i got the other ones hours ago :)
[08:47] <mako> and, more importantly, i can't install them myself
[08:47] <smurfix> hno73: I've had login problems for days now
[08:47] <jdub> mdz: same suggestion, don't believe your interpretation was right (understandable though)
[08:47] <Robot101> mako: eh?
[08:48] <mako> this whole "upgrade every piece of infrastructure the day of the release" plan... 
[08:48] <doko> mdz: I'd like to upload a security fix for zope2.7, although we don't have hoary-security yet. See http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/Hotfix-2005-04-05/Hotfix-20050405/README.txt. should I just use hoary?
[08:48] <jdub> mako: better than a disk failure :-)
[08:48] <mako> jdub: i had one of those yesterday :P
[08:48] <jdub> mako: d'oh!
[08:48] <mako> jdub: not really.. the enclosure failed, the disk appears fine
[08:49] <mako> jdub: i can't use my disk right now.. but i didn't loose any data
[08:49] <mako> but it had my music on it.. so i'll be doin the hoary dance in silence :(
[08:50] <jdub> hoary miming is pretty rad celebration though
[08:51] <fabbione> jdub: did you already find the dance for UDU?
[08:51] <mako> jdub: speaking of pretty rad celebrating.. sydney? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ReleaseParty
[08:52] <jdub> mako: until last night, i wasn't going to be in sydney
[08:52] <mako> mdz: until i hear convincing otherwise, lets stick with ul.org
[08:52] <jdub> however, there's an installfest at a local uni on saturday
[08:52] <mdz> mako: works for me
[08:52] <dholbach> doko: isnt it in universe?
[08:52] <jdub> i could co-opt it as a release party
[08:53] <mako> jdub: installfest + beer + you == release party
[08:53] <jdub> mako: + near dead exhaustion == release party in my bedroom ;)
[08:54] <doko> dholbach: ugh, yes, in universe. ok, uploading it.
[09:00] <trygvebw-away> zendog: what's happened? :P
[09:00] <zendog> :)
[09:01] <mdke> loving the ubuntu skin
[09:02] <zyga> artwork changed again 
[09:02] <zyga> ;-)
[09:02] <zyga> someone keeps being busy
[09:02] <trygvebw-away> what's done to the artwork now?
[09:04] <mdke> not sure
[09:04] <mdke> i was talking about the website
[09:05] <trygvebw-away> ahh
[09:05] <GhostFreeman> which one of you gayed up the site
[09:05] <mdke> lol
[09:05] <mdke> its struggling a little
[09:05] <mdke> i guess it hasn't been fully implemented yet
[09:05] <trygvebw-away> it's just the #ubuntu effect
[09:07] <mdke> http://mdke.mine.nu/images/ubuntu.png
[09:07] <mako> mdke: we're all seeing strange things
[09:07] <mako> mdke: hardclearing the caches and restarting mozilla seems to fix them
[09:08] <mdke> mako, k cool
[09:08] <trygvebw-away> mdke: that's weird :o
[09:08] <mdke> hi mako btw
[09:08] <mako> mdke: ciao! 
[09:08] <mdke> ciao :)
[09:08] <mdke> mi hanno detto che parli italiano
[09:08] <mdke> ;)
[09:10] <mdke> hmm
[09:10] <mdke> mine sounds easier
[09:11] <mdke> mako, yeah that seems to have done the trick. i love the new theme
[09:12] <trygvebw-away> Will there be more base ubuntu updates before the official release?
[09:15] <Kamion> trygvebw-away: extremely unlikely
[09:15] <Kamion> hmm, I think I just sped up jigdo generation by accident
[09:16] <trygvebw-away> Kamion: So what's in the repos now IS the stable release version?
[09:16] <Kamion> trygvebw-away: not blessed as such yet, and universe may still change
[09:16] <trygvebw-away> yeah, but the base one?
[09:16] <trygvebw-away> the non-universe
[09:16] <Kamion> I can't say yes or no yet; there may still be an emergency
[09:16] <trygvebw-away> okay :)
[09:16] <dholbach> trygvebw-away: not blessed, announce will tell :-)
[09:16] <trygvebw-away> i know :)
[09:17] <mdke> afk
[09:17] <trygvebw-away> Will it be released as early as possible, or?
[09:17] <dholbach> trygvebw-away: 8 utc is planned
[09:17] <trygvebw-away> okay :)
[09:17] <trygvebw-away> utc is GMT+-?
[09:18] <trygvebw-away> don't mind :)
[09:18] <mdke> gmt +1 i think
[09:18] <trygvebw-away> ok
[09:18] <Kamion> (export CDIMAGE_ROOT=/srv/cdimage.no-name-yet.com; export PROJECT=ubuntu; export CAPPROJECT=Ubuntu; export CDIMAGE_INSTALL=1; . CONF.sh; for ARCH in amd64 i386 powerpc; do export ARCH; rm -f /srv/cdimage.no-name-yet.com/scratch/ubuntu/tmp/jigdofilelist; make -C ~ /srv/cdimage.no-name-yet.com/scratch/ubuntu/tmp/jigdofilelist; tools/jigdo_header hoary-install-$ARCH.iso hoary-install-$ARCH.template "$CAPPROJECT 5.04 \"H
[09:18] <dholbach> trygvebw-away: the clock in the tray (and date -u) knows
[09:18] <Kamion> vomit
[09:19] <Kamion> trygvebw-away: UTC == GMT
[09:19] <mdke> yeah sorry
[09:19] <trygvebw-away> okay :)
[09:19] <Kamion> (unless you're an astronomer or similar in which case there are slight definitional differences)
[09:26] <Keybuk> Kamion: especially those weird ones who like to use 00:00 GMT as mid-day
[09:27] <Kamion> Keybuk: we call them "New Zealanders"
[09:27] <Keybuk> heh, no :)  some older astronomy tables actually do use 00:00 as noon, because the peeps at Greenwich didn't like changing the date in the middle of the night but when the Sun was actually observable
[09:29] <Kamion> Keybuk: freaky
[09:30] <Keybuk> that was one of the reasons for the introduction of UTC, iirc.
[09:33] <Kamion> jigdo generation seems to take under ten minutes by itself
[09:34] <Kamion> I wonder (a) if my recent change significantly improved that (haven't got figures from before the change yet), (b) whether it's affected lots by caching
[09:39] <elmo> hmm, good idea.
[09:42] <sabdfl> mdz et al: congrats on the gold images!
[09:42] <dholbach> hey sabdfl :-)
[09:42] <zul> hey sabdfl!
[09:43] <fabbione> sabdfl: thanks :)
[09:44] <sabdfl> Kamion, elmo, EUR guys, how about a good nights rest before release?
[09:44] <sabdfl> fabbione has an early start, i know :-)
[09:44] <fabbione> sabdfl: yeah.. i was packing the bag for tomorrow :)
[09:45] <fabbione> sabdfl: cya tomorrow around 9:30 if everything goes as scheduled
[09:45] <fabbione> good night guys
[09:45] <zul> c ya fabbione 
[09:45] <seb128> 'night fabbione 
[09:46] <dholbach> bye fabbione
[09:46] <ogra> ciao fabbione 
[09:48] <pitti> night fabbione 
[09:49] <jbailey> mdz: How long should the update ISO take from, say, the 5th to current?  It's been going for 20+ minutes now.
[09:49] <jbailey> mdz: For rsync, I mean.
[09:51] <mdz> jbailey: there were new language packs in there, so it could be a while, depending on your bandwidth
[09:52] <mdz> jbailey: I've blessed the ubuntu images now, kubuntu still needs testing
[09:53] <jbailey> mdz: 'kay.  I don't remember my bandwidth to cdimage specifically.  To archive.ubuntu.com I was getting 30kB/s usually, (As opposed to 300kB/s to us.archive.ubuntu.com)
[09:58] <jdub> i'm still getting weird css issues with the website
[09:58] <jdub> changing almost every force-reload
[09:59] <smurfix> jdub: Me too. (I also still can't log in, but what else is new :-/ )
[09:59] <mdke> smurfix, changed your email in launchpad?
[10:00] <smurfix> jdub: Now would be a good time to replace the favicon, by the way. The ubuntuusers.de folks have one with transparency, looks much nicer.
[10:00] <smurfix> mdke: No.
[10:00] <jdub> smurfix: cool, can you mail or url it up for henrik?
[10:00] <jdub> henrik@canonical.com    Henrik Nilsen Omma      2005-04-06 16:43
[10:01] <lamont_r> moof
[10:01] <carlos> mdke: any mail in your launchpad's account is valid as a login name
[10:01] <mdke> yeah
[10:01] <mdke> just thought that might be a reason
[10:02] <carlos> jdub: I suppose you are aware already that planet.ubuntu.com is huge at the moment... It does not fits my powerbook display
[10:02] <mdke> heh
[10:04] <Keybuk> That's no planet ... IT'S A SPACE STATION!
[10:04] <diamond> Keybuk: haha
[10:04] <smurfix> jdub: Mailed the URL.
[10:07] <blahrus> Mithrandir: you around?
[10:17] <blahrus> any of amd64 devel around?
[10:20] <lamont_r> Kamion: SERIOUS BUG IN i386 DVD (probably all) !!! :-)
[10:21] <lamont_r> it says 'Scanning CD-ROM' - that's like, totally bogus
[10:23] <kent> "Scanning your bank account" ;)
[10:27] <pitti> night everybody
[10:28] <dholbach> bye pitti
[10:32] <fruggle> hi why dont the ubuntu guys fix Window Injection Vulnerability in Firefox 0.9.3 in the warty release? Impossible?
[10:32] <dredg> fruggle: cos there's not going to be a new release within the next few hours.
[10:32] <dholbach> re
[10:36] <fruggle> dredg: what do you mean? I'm talking about this http://secunia.com/multiple_browsers_window_injection_vulnerability_test/
[10:38] <HiddenWolf> fruggle, developers are busy releasing ubuntu 5.04, which will go stable within the next few hours
[10:38] <Kamion> lamont_r: dude :-P
[10:38] <HiddenWolf> fruggle, a release is a rather stressful and busy time, so they would probably like to focus on that, and care about firefox later
[10:39] <Kamion> sabdfl: yeah, I plan to have a reasonably extensive nap soonish; just a couple of jigdo issues to clear up first
[10:40] <fruggle> HiddenWolf: yes thats great but this vulnerability is not a new one (2004-12-08 secunia advisory)
[10:41] <HiddenWolf> fruggle, file a bug, so it won't be forgotten
[10:41] <Kamion> fruggle: our security guy (pitti) just left for the night; he'd probably be the best person to answer you
[10:41] <lamont_r> Kamion: so no last minute panic/rebuild, right?  we're golden?
[10:41] <elmo> PANIC
[10:41] <HiddenWolf> fruggle, 
[10:41] <HiddenWolf> Solution:
[10:41] <HiddenWolf> Mozilla Firefox:
[10:41] <HiddenWolf> Update to version 1.0.1.
[10:41] <HiddenWolf> http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/
[10:41] <Kamion> lamont_r: believe so
[10:42] <lamont_r> elmo: on the other thing, hoary uploads for SCC arches gets to continue long enough for us to upload stuff?
[10:42] <fruggle> Kamion: "pitti" cant fix it though. Warty is a difficult issue, though. The proposed patch is huuuge and does not apply at all to 0.9.3 (Thom already tried in vain for hours). Thus I have no idea how this could be fixed in Warty.
[10:42] <Pizbit> fruggle: Also that bug might actually be fixed in the ubuntu version of 0.9.3
[10:43] <dholbach> lamont_r: could you please have ibam rebuilt? (gkrellm was missing build-dep on amd64)
[10:43] <HiddenWolf> fruggle, sorry, but I don't think this is the time
[10:43] <lamont_r> dholbach: sure, why not...
[10:43] <lamont_r> which arch, or do I get to go figure that out?
[10:43] <fruggle> HiddenWolf: yes ok
[10:44] <dholbach> lamont_r: amd64, others should be fine
[10:44] <Pizbit> How big is the hoary i386 dvd image roughly?
[10:44] <dholbach> Pizbit: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[10:44] <dredg> Pizbit: roughly <----->*
[10:44] <milli> 2.7G
[10:44] <diamond> dredg: not to scale.
[10:44] <Kamion> Pizbit: -rw-rw-r--    2 cjwatson cdimage  2929047552 Apr  7 17:49 cdimage/www/full/dvd/current/hoary-dvd-i386.iso
[10:45] <dredg> *NTS
[10:45] <elmo> lamont: err not for hppa, I doubt
[10:45] <milli> ...or 2.9g  (little g)
[10:45] <elmo> lamont: is it really important that you can?
[10:45] <lamont_r> elmo: not terribly tragically urgent, but it'd be nice
[10:46] <Kamion> fruggle: well, if our mozilla-firefox maintainer doesn't know how to fix it, nor our security officer, I'm not sure what more we can do save (a) try harder (b) ask for community contribution; I trust there's a bug report open in Bugzilla?
[10:46] <Pizbit> Don't think we've got enough BW for the dvd image(this month anyway)
[10:47] <lamont_r> elmo: more significantly, I really don't want to have to s/hoary/breezy/ in all the .changes files and resign...
[10:47] <lamont_r> if I can avoid that, I really don't care if there's a dists/hoary/main/binary-hppa/Packages.gz or just breezy
[10:58] <lamont_r> dholbach: ibam is installed on amd64 already
[10:59] <dholbach> *arg* i must be blind
[10:59] <dholbach> sorry
[10:59] <dholbach> :-(
[10:59] <lamont_r> np
[10:59] <dholbach> beer_count[lamont] ++ :-)
[11:00] <lamont_r> EOVERFLOW :-)
[11:00] <lamont_r> or was that underflow?
[11:00] <lamont_r> (you need to use something bigger than 4 bits for a counter. :-)
[11:01] <dholbach> :-)
[11:01] <dholbach> funnily enough we have a beer (where i grew up), which is called "Bitburger", so it's quite normal to say "Ich nehme 2 Bit" (i'll have 2 bits) ;-)
[11:02] <lamont_r> Ich spreche nicht deutsch
[11:02] <lamont_r> :-)
[11:02] <dholbach> hihih :-)
[11:03] <lamont_r> Ich kanne nicht deutsch gut gesprechen?
[11:04] <dholbach> nice :-)
[11:04] <lamont_r> you mean that was right???
[11:04] <dholbach> nearly :-)
[11:05] <dholbach> "Ich kann nicht gut deutsch sprechen." :-)
[11:05] <lamont_r> my high school german teacher would be proud
[11:05] <lamont_r> er, maybe not. :-)
[11:05] <AFKwolf> lol@lamont
[11:05] <diamond> lamont_r: as long as you told the teacher in english, you might get away with it -)
[11:06] <lamont_r> heh
[11:06] <AFKwolf> lamont, You managed to make a nice mix between german and dutch. German words, mostly Dutch grammar, I might mistake you for a bordertown peasant. :)
[11:06] <lamont_r> the worst part was when I was in 4th year german, and 1st year french.  The french class was right before lunch, and I tended to eat lunch in the german room... Dr Morrey couldn't figure out why I refused to try to do german homework during lunch
[11:06] <lamont_r> AFKwolf: heh
[11:07] <AFKwolf> g'luck with that release. My bed is waiting
[11:07] <lamont_r> g'night then
[11:08] <AFKwolf> night
[11:13] <blueyed> "gksudo gedit /etc/fstab" (alt-f2 or term) fails here.. opens "fstab'" in "/home/username/'/etc".. confirmations?
[11:14] <thom> Kamion: infinity is looking at firefox/mozilla security backports
[11:14] <mjg59> What is it with Mozilla and security issues at the last moment?
[11:15] <diamond> blueyed: not even getting that far here, it gets halfway through my username in the prompt for password, then stops.
[11:15] <diamond> blueyed: amd64 btw
[11:15] <Kamion> thom: ah, good
[11:15] <thom> mjg59: they're a pain because security fixes generally involve upstream munging ABI like there's no tomorrow
[11:15] <thom> (mozilla security fixes)
[11:22] <blueyed> too bad, diamond.. a known or new bug?
[11:22] <diamond> blueyed: not sure, never tried it before, will poke bugzilla now
[11:23] <blueyed> Thanks, diamond (I'm with amd64@32bit).
[11:24] <diamond> blueyed: hmm. searching for gksudo turns up 4 bugs, none of which look right
[11:24] <blueyed> Might you file it?
[11:24] <diamond> blueyed: i might, and i shall ,-)
[11:24] <diamond> can't imagine it'll make the maintainer too happy to be getting bug reports at this late stage but hey
[11:25] <diamond> blueyed: i presume you've been looking at #7202?
[11:25] <blueyed> ok, diamond .. :)
[11:27] <diamond> ah. i think i might know why it's having problems on my setup. i'm using pam-krb. i'll remove that and see what happens.
[11:28] <diamond> bing. right
[11:29] <blueyed> What's pam-krb? I only find libpam-krb5 in the reps.
[11:29] <diamond> blueyed: that's the one, i was being imprecise
[11:36] <diamond> blueyed: right, bug report submitted
[11:37] <blueyed> wasn't there #7202 already, diamond ?
[11:37] <diamond> blueyed: yes
[11:38] <blueyed> but?
[11:38] <diamond> blueyed: it describes what you're seeing
[11:40] <ogra> mvo, ping
[11:40] <blueyed> diamond: ah, you're referring to libpam-krb5
[11:40] <blueyed> #8774 
[11:40] <mvo> ogra: pong
[11:41] <diamond> blueyed: aye, 8774 is the one i just filed
[11:45] <Kamion> maswan: hmm. could you please arrange that requests for http://releases.ubuntu.com/ hitting the ACC servers go to the /ubuntu-releases/ directory, rather than the "This ftp server belongs to ACC" page?
[11:46] <elmo> hmm, it use to
[11:46] <elmo> did when I tested it before adding them
[11:47] <Kamion> yeah, I thought it did too
[11:48] <Kamion> confirmed now with all four ACC servers though
[11:48] <elmo> if maswan's not around I'll just drop them out
[11:48] <Mithrandir> he's probably not around at this time of day.
[11:48] <elmo> frei and durville and are man enough for /.
[11:48] <Mithrandir> (he should be around in 8-9-ish hours, though)
[11:50] <elmo> dropped
[11:52] <elmo> he is too about
[11:53] <maswan> I am here. I will take a look at it and see if I can enable virtual hosting quickly.
[11:53] <sabdfl> hno73: can we get a search box on the top of every page please?
[11:54] <sabdfl> also, not sure the Plone Control Center should be visible
[11:54] <T-Bone> lamont: you around?
[11:54] <Kamion> maswan: cheers
[11:55] <lamont_r> T-Bone: no, but I am
[11:55] <T-Bone> lol
[11:55] <lamont_r> :-)
[11:55] <hno73> sabdfl: is the plone control center visible for non-admin users?
[11:55] <T-Bone> could you avg ghc6, i'd like to know if it's worth waiting for the end of the build or not ;)
[11:55] <lamont_r> T-Bone: eternal'
[11:55] <T-Bone> ewww
[11:55] <lamont_r> ghc-cvs is 8 hours or so
[11:56] <T-Bone> o_O
[11:56] <lamont_r> ghc6:                   06:21:16 (10 entries, sigma 03:07:23)
[11:56] <sabdfl> hno73: i thought i saw it, together with the "Log In" link, just now... but i must have been mistaken
[11:56] <T-Bone> lamont_r: if only it was using SMPness :P
[11:56] <sabdfl> hno73: and the search thing?
[11:56] <lamont_r> T-Bone: then it would crash quicker
[11:56] <hno73> sabdfl: I would have like to do some testing first
[11:57] <T-Bone> lamont_r: oh, it's a tedious build heh?
[11:57] <hno73> I've alredy broken plenty of stuff today :)
[11:58] <hno73> sabdfl: I can look at it, but can't promise by 9am tomorrow
[11:58] <elmo> sabdfl: when you login it gives you the option if you have supah powahs
[11:58] <elmo> IIRC
[11:58] <hno73> right, there are 10-12 admins
[11:59] <Kamion> I haven't attempted to add the masthead or anything yet