[12:01] <mdke> hi all
[12:01] <Burgundavia> salut
[12:01] <mdke> hi corey
[12:02] <mdke> got a moment to teach me xml?
[12:02] <mdke> i'm looking through the quickguide to try and pick it up
[12:03] <mdke> <!-- is a comment?
[12:04] <mdke> if so, why is that bit on sounders and arrays commented out?
[12:05] <Burgundavia> yes
[12:06] <Burgundavia> if you have done any html, docbook xml is similar
[12:06] <mdke> yeah it looks easy
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[12:08] <mdke> hi tshark7 
[12:08] <tshark7> hi
[12:09] <tshark7> i'm new to irc, just looking around
[12:09] <Burgundavia> salut
[12:09] <mdke> welcome
[12:09] <Burgundavia> they channel is for discussing ubuntu documentation
[12:09] <Burgundavia> s/they/this
[12:10] <Burgundavia> tshark7: you might also want to check out #ubuntu, #ubuntu-devel, #ubuntu-motu
[12:10] <Burgundavia> #ubuntu-devel is for development
[12:10] <Burgundavia> #ubuntu-motu is for the universe and multiverse component of Ubuntu
[12:10] <mdke> and also #ubuntu-2digitlanguagecode :)
[12:11] <Burgundavia> except ubuntu-ca
[12:11] <Burgundavia> which is Canada and not catalan
[12:11] <mdke> you stole it?
[12:11] <mdke> cheeky
[12:11] <Burgundavia> I didn't
[12:11] <mdke> you (pl)
[12:12] <tshark7> ok, thanks
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[12:13] <mdke> On s el bany?
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[06:08] <jsgotangco> wow the artwork changed the whole thing
[06:08] <Burgundavia> yes
[06:09] <Burgundavia> see my note to the list
[06:09] <jsgotangco> i replied to it after reverting my settings to default on everything
[06:09] <Burgundavia> both are sabdfl
[06:10] <jsgotangco> jeezz
[06:37] <Burgundavia> sorry
[06:37] <Burgundavia> on the phone with the ex
[06:37] <Burgundavia> anyway, good posts by nick and mary
[06:40] <jsgotangco> who leads/coordinates with thedevelopers? mdz?
[06:42] <Burgundavia> nobody really
[06:42] <Burgundavia> mdz and maybe jdub follow the list
[06:44] <Burgundavia> maybe we should have someone to coordinate
[06:44] <Burgundavia> there is a reason I run almost default
[06:44] <Burgundavia> the only default I don't have is the login screen
[06:44] <jsgotangco> hmmm i think i should be default as well to document correctly from now on
[06:45] <Burgundavia> I have tobacco sky
[06:45] <jsgotangco> haha same here!
[06:45] <Burgundavia> I want to see wha the average user has
[06:45] <Burgundavia> tobacco is very nice
[06:45] <Burgundavia> a nice calm screen
[06:48] <jsgotangco> the average user would probaby have circle of friends
[06:49] <jsgotangco> because the default ubuntu gdm isnt that nice
[06:49] <jsgotangco> but i could be wrong
[06:51] <jsgotangco> oh froud recommended me for a commit account
[06:51] <jsgotangco> that is *nice*
[06:52] <Burgundavia> cool
[06:52] <Burgundavia> committ is very useful
[07:05] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: you still there?
[07:07] <jsgotangco> aye
[07:07] <Burgundavia> can you confirm something?
[07:07] <Burgundavia> can you double click on an svg file?
[07:08] <jsgotangco> wait
[07:08] <jsgotangco> it opens firefox
[07:08] <Burgundavia> ok
[07:08] <jsgotangco> and asks if i want to download it
[07:08] <Burgundavia> I will file a bug
[07:08] <Burgundavia> FF can't open it
[07:08] <jsgotangco> sure it cant
[07:08] <jsgotangco> oohh
[07:09] <jsgotangco> i have inkscape though
[07:09] <jsgotangco> where should an svg open?
[07:09] <Burgundavia> in eog
[07:09] <Burgundavia> and inkscape if you have it
[07:10] <jsgotangco> FF did notice i have inkscape though
[07:10] <Burgundavia> ff did
[07:29] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: what happens when you insert a music cd in the drive?
[07:29] <Burgundavia> does it autoplay?
[07:29] <Burgundavia> if you double click on the icon, does it start gnome-cd?
[07:30] <jsgotangco> let me check
[07:31] <jsgotangco> i had autoplay with CD Player
[07:31] <Burgundavia> ok
[07:31] <Burgundavia> close the cd player
[07:31] <Burgundavia> and double click on the icon
[07:32] <jsgotangco> it didnt play and opened hdc instead
[07:32] <jsgotangco> file browser
[07:32] <Burgundavia> probably should open the cd player, eh?
[07:33] <jsgotangco> *grin* it did show wav files but when i clicked on the files i got errors as well
[07:33] <Burgundavia> and it paused playback for me
[07:55] <froud> African Greetings
[07:55] <Burgundavia> salut
[07:55] <froud> hi
[07:55] <Burgundavia> seen my recent thread?
[07:56] <jsgotangco> greetings
[07:58] <froud> Burgundavia: yes, glad somebody else is screaming this time and not me :-)
[07:59] <Burgundavia> froud: I wondered what your reaction was going to be
[07:59] <froud> I did ask mdz and developers to update us to GUI changes
[07:59] <Burgundavia> to be honest, yours was the one I place the most weight on
[07:59] <froud> but as usual developers just ignore doc team
[07:59] <Burgundavia> bah
[07:59] <Burgundavia> very frustrated
[07:59] <froud> nedd to think how to handle this
[08:01] <froud> Let me first speak with mdz, sabfl and mako
[08:01] <froud> it is done now
[08:01] <froud> no point us making a big issue
[08:01] <froud> but we need to address it for future
[08:01] <Burgundavia> yes
[08:02] <Burgundavia> I was mostly concerned for Breezy
[08:02] <froud> I think it is part of the learning process, on all sides
[08:02] <froud> like our recent escapade with i18n
[08:02] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[08:04] <jsgotangco> the new artwork is nice though
[08:04] <Burgundavia> yes it is
[08:04] <Burgundavia> gotten used to the new brown
[08:04] <froud> yes
[08:04] <jsgotangco> i will stick to default from now
[08:04] <froud> we always dcoument by default
[08:05] <froud> Burgundavia: I am not sure that the change makes everything bad
[08:05] <Burgundavia> which change? the spatial one?
[08:06] <froud> the main screen of the application is the important think
[08:06] <froud> thing
[08:06] <Burgundavia> have you read the comments at #8516
[08:06] <Burgundavia> some good ones
[08:06] <froud> yes
[08:06] <Burgundavia> including one from a disabled guy
[08:06] <froud> but GNOME moved to spatial a long time ago
[08:06] <Burgundavia> but not this kind of spatial
[08:06] <Burgundavia> closing windows behind
[08:07] <froud> sure it is different
[08:07] <Burgundavia> and that is what the patch does
[08:07] <froud> but how does spatial or not impact on the quick guide
[08:07] <Burgundavia> quickguide is impacted by colour change
[08:07] <Burgundavia> release notes are impacted by spatial change
[08:08] <Burgundavia> because we should mention it
[08:08] <froud> the color change is not that much a problem
[08:08] <Burgundavia> not really
[08:08] <Burgundavia> but it makes us look unprofessional, IMHO
[08:08] <froud> the spatial change should be mentioned, but is not critical
[08:08] <jsgotangco> it can be a source of cons for the release
[08:09] <jsgotangco> those who like to nitpick
[08:09] <froud> I agree they should inform us
[08:09] <Burgundavia> spatial change also introduces a whole bunch of corner cases
[08:09] <froud> but I am trying to say that it is not as bad as first made out
[08:09] <Burgundavia> I don't really object to the option
[08:09] <Burgundavia> just no easy way to turn off
[08:10] <froud> we need to under the extent of the problem
[08:10] <Burgundavia> all in all, not a major issue
[08:10] <Burgundavia> just kind of annoying
[08:11] <Burgundavia> to me, both feel very top down decision making
[08:12] <froud> Burgundavia: agreed
[08:12] <Burgundavia> which is not the greatest for building a community distro
[08:12] <Burgundavia> it is fine if someone steps in a makes a decision after a contentious debate
[08:13] <Burgundavia> to me, that is the point of a sabdfl
[08:13] <froud> I will speak to him
[08:15] <froud> dunno if anyone noticed but ubuntu device database was also added late
[08:15] <froud> I wrote documents for it, but did not add it to the quick guide
[08:15] <jsgotangco> bbl x reboot
[08:15] <Burgundavia> device database is pretty minor though
[08:15] <Burgundavia> and is not really ready for primetime
[08:15] <froud> yes, but quick guide is a tour
[08:16] <Burgundavia> true
[08:16] <froud> I decided not to make a stink of it
[08:16] <Burgundavia> hadn't thought about it
[08:17] <froud> I did not want to say much because I did lots of moaning about svn and this is the result
[08:17] <froud> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/ubuntu-traffic/latest.html#10
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[08:18] <Burgundavia> hey, it got publicity
[08:18] <jsgotangco> spatial really is something
[08:22] <froud> Burgundavia: yeah, like that was really what needed publicity
[08:22] <Burgundavia> lol
[08:22] <Burgundavia> but seriously, that didn't really need to be aired
[08:22] <jsgotangco> ummm did i miss something?
[08:23] <Burgundavia> our mailing lists seem to have 2 modes
[08:23] <Burgundavia> 1. dicussing something big
[08:23] <Burgundavia> 2. no traffic
[08:23] <froud> yes, I moned about that too and got nowhere
[08:23] <froud> moaned
[08:23] <Burgundavia> hey
[08:23] <Burgundavia> the quickguide is great looking
[08:24] <froud> not bad for our first job
[08:24] <froud> Burgundavia: are you updating inline with the development branch
[08:24] <Burgundavia> now if we can come to a consensus of the web portal
[08:24] <Burgundavia> froud: sorry, I don't understand
[08:25] <froud> do you run updates against the development branch
[08:25] <Burgundavia> I currently am only tracking trunk
[08:25] <froud> daily weekly month online updates
[08:26] <froud> if you run synaptic against the development version you will get updates sooner
[08:26] <froud> For the next release we will all need to change our sources list
[08:26] <froud> in apt
[08:27] <froud> this means the system may become unstable
[08:27] <Burgundavia> true
[08:27] <Burgundavia> sorry, I am still failing to understand you
[08:27] <Burgundavia> it almost certainly my fault
[08:27] <froud> in apt sources are your updates comming from warty or hoary?
[08:28] <Burgundavia> hoary
[08:28] <froud> ok
[08:28] <Burgundavia> I left warty in late Sept.
[08:28] <Burgundavia> and shall leave hoary as soon as the Breezy repos open
[08:28] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[08:28] <froud> yeah, now we will have to change sources.list
[08:28] <Burgundavia> make that Late oct
[08:28] <jsgotangco> i wish i had another pc to test stuff
[08:28] <froud> must take my daughters to school
[08:28] <froud> brb
[08:29] <Burgundavia> np
[08:29] <jsgotangco> how soon do you think we need to change sources?
[08:29] <Burgundavia> whenever you want to
[08:30] <Burgundavia> as I said, I plan to jump as soon as Breezy opens
[08:31] <jsgotangco> hmmm ok but we'll risk breaking things
[08:31] <Burgundavia> yes we will
[08:31] <Burgundavia> that is fun
[08:31] <jsgotangco> i better save for a shuttle pc
[08:31] <jsgotangco> its hard if youre unemployed though *grin*
[08:32] <Burgundavia> I am also unemployed
[08:32] <jsgotangco> how do i check the translated docs?
[08:37] <froud> back
[08:38] <froud> translated docs in the new release
[08:38] <Burgundavia> how old are your kids?
[08:38] <froud> 3 of them
[08:38] <froud> 11, 6 and 4
[08:38] <jsgotangco> i have a 3 year old
[08:38] <froud> boy, girl, girl
[08:38] <Burgundavia> bah kids
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[08:39] <froud> Burgundavia: your turn will come
[08:39] <froud> kids are the best
[08:39] <jsgotangco> hehehe yes resistance is futile
[08:39] <Burgundavia> that is what scares me
[08:39] <jsgotangco> indeed
[08:39] <jsgotangco> i got married at 27
[08:39] <jsgotangco> became a dad at 28
[08:39] <froud> when your partner feels her hip bones pulling apart you know you are in for kids
[08:40] <jsgotangco> kids are expensive though hehe
[08:40] <froud> jsgotangco: married 13 years and loving it
[08:40] <Burgundavia> just broke up with a gf of 2 years
[08:40] <froud> yes but worth it
[08:40] <froud> Burgundavia: ouch 2 years are the hard ones
[08:41] <Burgundavia> we are still good friends
[08:42] <froud> yeah until you meet somebody new
[08:43] <Burgundavia> true
[08:43] <jsgotangco> like being in between 2 boulders
[08:43] <Burgundavia> anybody else having issues with totem and gnome cd-player being unstable?
[08:44] <froud> dunno I run KDE
[08:44] <froud> come to kde
[08:44] <jsgotangco> my gnome cd-player clips audio but i only tested 1 cd
[08:44] <jsgotangco> im seriously considering kubuntu though
[08:44] <Burgundavia> bah KDE
[08:44] <froud> kde is strong in EU
[08:44] <froud> gnome in US
[08:44] <Burgundavia> I am going to reinstall after Hoary releases
[08:45] <Burgundavia> don't trust this upgraded box
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[08:45] <froud> jsgotangco: just get the new iso and burn a cd
[08:45] <Burgundavia> I am going to make a list of things that don't work
[08:45] <Burgundavia> and if they still don't work after reinstall, then I am going to hammer bugzilla
[08:45] <Burgundavia> and make seb128 happy
[08:46] <froud> yes bugzilla is the palce
[08:46] <Burgundavia> seb and I don't see eye to eye on a lot of things
[08:47] <froud> nor do many others
[08:47] <jsgotangco> i really wish i could get work similar to what im doing here and more (test stuff, break, etc.)
[08:47] <froud> :-)
[08:47] <Burgundavia> are you saying that I am hard to get along with?
[08:47] <froud> not you seb
[08:47] <froud> :-)
[08:47] <froud> you are fine
[08:48] <Burgundavia> I think a lot of it is language barrier
[08:48] <froud> well, once I understood that I am looking at a mirror of myself
[08:48] <Burgundavia> when I spoke more French, I sounded rude
[08:48] <Burgundavia> as I was at that level of fluency
[08:48] <Burgundavia> can ask for things, but not politely
[08:48] <froud> he he stick to en
[08:49] <Burgundavia> my French is mostly gone now
[08:49] <Burgundavia> amazing how in 2 years you can go from functional to nothing
[08:49] <froud> yeah like my German
[08:49] <froud> my Hebrew is still OK cause my wife and I make a point of speaking it
[08:50] <jsgotangco> id like to study an eu language in the future
[08:50] <jsgotangco> we used to have spanish but that was in high school an nobody took it seriously
[08:51] <jsgotangco> in college i had latin but who the hell speaks it except the vatican
[08:51] <froud> Hmm I have three people who want restructure in trunk and I know of three that dont
[08:51] <froud> the pope is dead
[08:51] <Burgundavia> yes
[08:51] <Burgundavia> that happened several days ago
[08:51] <froud> Oh
[08:51] <froud> well you see I am outof touch
[08:51] <jsgotangco> yes, as a catholic it is sad :( ive seen the pope twice
[08:52] <froud> what does the real-world look k=like
[08:53] <Burgundavia> Prince Ranier III of Monaco also just died
[08:53] <Burgundavia> as well as Johnny Cochrane, famous for defending OJ
[08:53] <froud> Hmm the whole world is passing away
[08:53] <Burgundavia> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5358436389.html
[08:54] <jsgotangco> at least Ranier will be with grace kelly again
[08:54] <Burgundavia> cool
[08:55] <jsgotangco> OshKosh truck?
[08:55] <jsgotangco> isnt that a kids apparel brand?
[08:55] <froud> he he
[08:55] <Burgundavia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oshkosh
[08:56] <Burgundavia> seems it stands for a few things
[08:57] <froud> Burgundavia: well matt has given you an answer
[08:57] <Burgundavia> oh?
[08:57] <Burgundavia> which matt? mdz or of tsf?
[08:58] <jsgotangco> A deliberate effort was made to get the artwork sorted earlier in the
[08:58] <jsgotangco> release cycle, but deadlines were unfortunately missed.  I regret if this
[08:58] <jsgotangco> has resulted in diminished satisfaction with the documentation.
[08:58] <jsgotangco> Artwork has turned out to be a source of more interdependencies than we
[08:58] <jsgotangco> anticipated.  What can we do for the next release cycle to improve the
[08:58] <jsgotangco> workflow?
[08:58] <jsgotangco> mdz
[08:58] <Burgundavia> ok
[08:58] <Burgundavia> I see the email now
[08:59] <Burgundavia> froud, mdz is not in here
[08:59] <Burgundavia> to me, what would be nice would be prior warning
[09:00] <Burgundavia> ie: artwork changes are coming in breezy
[09:00] <Burgundavia> this is where we are at
[09:00] <Burgundavia> this is the expected done date
[09:01] <froud> unlike other development functions documentation touches on and relies on communition with many functions
[09:01] <froud> we need to interface with all functions
[09:01] <froud> at present we dont
[09:01] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:01] <froud> we have rough interfaces with i18n and devel
[09:02] <froud> seems we need artwork interface also
[09:02] <Burgundavia> I am writing a response
[09:02] <Burgundavia> I will dump here so we can critique
[09:02] <froud> sure
[09:03] <jsgotangco> ok just dump away ill brb i have a guest downstairs
[09:05] <Burgundavia> For me, knowledge is the most important thing. To simply be officially informed that artwork changes are coming, and what they are expected to touch (login screen, theme, icons, etc.). This would allow us to plan when to take the screenshots and when to wait. Ideally, feedback could also come back from us, most especially with regards to timing. If the artwork slips too much, then we run into a major crunch for time. Screens
[09:05] <Burgundavia> hots cannot be easily translated, and thus must be taken by hand currently. I am not asking for a veto, but just have a vote as a team when and if the slips happen.
[09:06] <froud> seems fair
[09:06] <Burgundavia> now that is some nice-Ubuntu style colours --> http://eh.net/deaconecon/archives/38-Economists-Say-the-Darnest-Things.html
[09:06] <Burgundavia> froud: anything you would add?
[09:07] <froud> cant think of anything yet
[09:07] <Burgundavia> ok
[09:07] <Burgundavia> should I send?
[09:07] <froud> sure put it in open and lets see
[09:10] <Burgundavia> done
[09:12] <froud> Burgundavia: what email client do you use?
[09:13] <Burgundavia> gmail
[09:13] <Burgundavia> is it borking things?
[09:13] <Burgundavia> they just changed the interfact
[09:13] <Burgundavia> is it sending HTML?
[09:13] <froud> no it is just that it does not indent bottom posts correctly
[09:13] <Burgundavia> hmm
[09:13] <Burgundavia> it doesn't do bottom posts
[09:13] <froud> ah that is why
[09:13] <Burgundavia> by default, it does top
[09:58] <jsgotangco> wa? sorry was afk for a while
[10:12] <Burgundavia> good comment from mattew
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[10:25] <Burgundavia> salut Skywind
[10:26] <Skywind> hi, Burgundavia 
[10:26] <Burgundavia> never seen you here before
[10:31] <Kinnison> Morning all
[10:31] <froud> morn
[10:33] <Burgundavia> salut Kinnison 
[10:43] <froud> Burgundavia: sent my response
[10:43] <Burgundavia> reading it now
[10:44] <jsgotangco> bravo!
[10:44] <froud> jsgotangco: bravo that was brave or bravo it is a good response?
[10:45] <froud> chaps the applications.menu is xml
[10:45] <jsgotangco> it was a very good response we dont need to be in a fighting stance on this issue
[10:45] <froud> I think I can use xslt to build and update menus
[10:45] <froud> for both GNOME and KDE
[10:46] <Burgundavia> I saw that
[10:46] <froud> It helps us keep updated to menu changes and gives us earlier warning
[10:47] <froud> I will see what what I can do
[10:47] <froud> do either of you write xslt?
[10:48] <Burgundavia> nope
[10:48] <froud> :-( Ok well I must go back to work
[10:49] <froud> c ya later
[11:08] <jsgotangco> ok what did i miss
[11:08] <jsgotangco> i was playing around with a dlt drive
[11:08] <Burgundavia> not much
[11:08] <Burgundavia> bah
[11:08] <Burgundavia> we need better media docs
[11:09] <Burgundavia> like how to install stuff (w32codecs)
[11:09] <jsgotangco> but theyre not supported!
[11:09] <froud-work> FAQ Guide and User Guide
[11:09] <Burgundavia> so
[11:09] <Burgundavia> not supported doesn't not mean that people don't use them
[11:09] <Burgundavia> and the existing docs are crack
[11:10] <froud-work> Burgundavia: r you gonna work on FAQ Guide
[11:10] <Burgundavia> absolutely
[11:10] <jsgotangco> but the official guide should not have instructions about these things
[11:10] <jsgotangco> it can be on the wiki though
[11:10] <froud-work> Good. Now for restructure where do you want to do it
[11:10] <jsgotangco> that is my opinion
[11:10] <Burgundavia> I don't know enough about the 2 different methods to make a rational choice
[11:11] <Burgundavia> I want one source for docs, ours
[11:12] <Burgundavia> I spend a lot of time talking and helping on #ubuntu
[11:13] <Burgundavia> I think I have it figured out what we need to focus on
[11:14] <froud-work> Burgundavia: our docs
[11:14] <froud-work> wiki or svn
[11:14] <froud-work> ?
[11:14] <Burgundavia> everything in one place for starters
[11:14] <Burgundavia> and a good 1st boot howto
[11:14] <Burgundavia> and walkthrough
[11:14] <Burgundavia> bringing elements of quickguide
[11:15] <froud-work> that is why we have FAQ and User Guide
[11:15] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:15] <froud-work> what bother sme most is the spread of the effort
[11:15] <froud-work> people are working all over
[11:15] <froud-work> if they work in one place it is easier
[11:15] <jsgotangco> i believe there must be a logical flow of how these documents meld together
[11:16] <jsgotangco> especially for a new user
[11:16] <Burgundavia> there should be
[11:16] <Burgundavia> and 1st boot howto should be the 1st thing they see and need
[11:16] <jsgotangco> at the moment its the wild wild west
[11:16] <Burgundavia> ubuntuguide.org is nice, but doesn't really do things the ubuntu way
[11:16] <Burgundavia> unfortunately, it has mindshare and is done
[11:17] <froud-work> I have asked the author to please join and work with us
[11:17] <froud-work> I wait for reposnse
[11:17] <jsgotangco> hmm
[11:17] <Burgundavia> he just reappeared
[11:17] <jsgotangco> what he say
[11:17] <Burgundavia> and has created ubuntuguide.org/temp
[11:17] <Burgundavia> for hoary
[11:17] <froud-work> he did not know about our svn effort
[11:17] <Burgundavia> the instructions on there, it took me a hour to cleanup somebodies machine
[11:18] <froud-work> FAQ Guide in svn is in docbook faq format
[11:18] <froud-work> plovs spent lots of time moving it to docbook and I spent lots of time using docbook faq
[11:18] <Burgundavia> I still need to take a good look at tit
[11:18] <froud-work> please do
[11:20] <Burgundavia> we now have a big issue with the wiki
[11:20] <Burgundavia> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:20] <Burgundavia> is warty
[11:21] <Burgundavia> so a hoary user just came along and changed all his sources to warty
[11:21] <Burgundavia> I am now sorting it out
[11:22] <froud-work> well this is why we want everyting in svn and the documentation to be made from there 
[11:22] <Burgundavia> I agree with you now
[11:22] <froud-work> funny how people only realize what I am saying when they actually feel it
[11:22] <froud-work> :-)
[11:22] <Burgundavia> I never said I didn't want to have a single source
[11:22] <Burgundavia> we just disagreed on which one
[11:23] <froud-work> no not you specifically
[11:23] <froud-work> geeze you r touchy today
[11:23] <froud-work> :-)
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[11:23] <Burgundavia> if we get this portal off the ground, we will have the best docs, bar none
[11:23] <froud-work> absolutely
[11:36] <jsgotangco> its logical after all to have wiki and xml docs to be in one version control right
[11:41] <Burgundavia> what package in the dictionary panel applet in?
[11:44] <Kinnison> gnome-utils
[11:46] <Burgundavia> Kinnison: thanks
[11:55] <jsgotangco> oh its a public holiday on the 1st day of UDU
[11:55] <jsgotangco> anzac day
[11:55] <jsgotangco> nice
[11:56] <jsgotangco> i will be doing my work in eSvn now
[11:56] <jsgotangco> it makes things much easier
[11:57] <jsgotangco> and i see the status of the docs
[11:57] <jsgotangco> as well as the commit logs
[11:57] <Burgundavia> any gtk apps like eSVN?
[11:57] <Burgundavia> I tend to be a desktop purist
[11:57] <Burgundavia> gtk2 or nothing
[11:59] <jsgotangco> i dont know, i thank froud for learning so much at the moment but i have started experimenting with other stuff
[12:33] <Burgundavia> ugh
[12:33] <Burgundavia> 8516 is getting nasty
[12:38] <jsgotangco> 8516?
[12:38] <Burgundavia> the bug for the spatial change
[12:38] <Burgundavia> I filed it
[12:38] <Burgundavia> it has become "the official spatial bug"
[12:39] <jsgotangco> let me check that i was looking into that mosh sammy pic
[12:41] <jsgotangco> wow thats long
[12:42] <Burgundavia> yes
[12:44] <jsgotangco> "If you don't like spatial don't use it!"
[12:44] <jsgotangco> hehe
[12:44] <jsgotangco> jeezz
[12:45] <Kinnison> yeesh the tempers run high on that bug
=== Kinnison dislikes the new behaviour too; but at least I can revert it
=== Kinnison will revert it for his dad too
[12:45] <Burgundavia> I haven't bothered yet
[12:45] <Burgundavia> going to reinstall tomorrow
[12:45] <jsgotangco> i just turn it off
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[12:52] <jsgotangco> jeezz Remy's comments are nasty
[12:59] <Burgundavia> cya all
[01:00] <jsgotangco> im out as well
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[02:49] <Liz> can anyone give me the url for the learning linux open source site ?
[03:03] <Liz> nevermind..found it
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[09:58] <Burgundavia> gah
[09:58] <Burgundavia> Artwork is always likely to be changing close to release
[09:58] <Burgundavia> read that?
[09:58] <froud> yeah
[09:59] <Burgundavia> not so happy, but I figured that is what he would say
[09:59] <Burgundavia> doesn't want to take the wraps off the new artwork until the very end
[10:00] <froud> sure, figure
[10:00] <froud> conerntrating on new structure make files
[10:01] <Burgundavia> hmm?
[10:04] <Burgundavia> you have been busy I see
[10:04] <froud> Hmmm
[10:05] <froud> architecting new make system
[10:05] <froud> most of the heavy moving now over
[10:05] <froud> now focused on creating the make system
[10:05] <froud> specific for gnome first
[10:05] <froud> then we can merge back to trunk
[10:06] <froud> in my mind if the current docs build then people should be happy and have an example on which to build the other things
[10:06] <froud> what do you think
[10:06] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[10:07] <froud> ok must go back before I lose concerntration
[10:33] <froud> enough for tonight bye
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