[12:00] <topyli> this i don't know :(
[12:00] <Thundercracker> safrican, don't see why not
[12:00] <rainer> Hi there, just got a short question: I got Ubuntu now running on two maschines and wanna use one just as x display so I added the other to xhost, but still can't open the display, anybody can tell me why?
[12:00] <Thundercracker> safrican, the sources are in the ubuntu servers
[12:00] <Thundercracker> safrican, feel free to d/ld
[12:00] <topyli> francisco: anyway, it's 1AM, i have to go to bed
[12:00] <safrican> Thundercracker: awesome. Thanks!
[12:00] <CarlK> starhaw1, when you do the install, pick "server" at the boot promt, that will not install anyhting other than what you need to run apt-get
[12:01] <Gokhan-> is there going to be a release today?
[12:01] <computerguy867> has anyones gdeskelets stopped working after the hoary gdesklets update that came out in the last day or two
[12:01] <francisco> topyli, no problem. Thanks for all your help :)
[12:01] <starhaw1> thank you very much thats all for today I am going to try the new cd  now and again thank you
[12:01] <Burgundavia> Gokhan-: friday, got bumped due to the gnome 2.10.1 release
[12:01] <Gokhan-> Burgundavia, thanks...
[12:02] <topyli> francisco: by all means. there are others here you can ask :)
[12:02] <topyli> bye
[12:02] <kevogod> Do you know when Ubuntu CDs will be shipped? (how many days after release)
[12:02] <CarlK> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ReleaseParty
[12:02] <computerguy867> does anyone have any suggestions for fixing them?
[12:03] <yfir> kevogod: I got my warty CDs about 2 weeks after Warty was released (if that helps). I live in NA
[12:03] <kevogod> Thanks, yfir.
[12:03] <kevogod> (and CarlK)
[12:04] <safrican> Thundercracker: mind if i ask you fi they are where you can d/l the ISOs or on a different mirror ?
[12:04] <brrrt> crimsun: i have no idea what i did wrong :(
[12:04] <thully> does anyone know how to change the bitrate you're ripping at in Sound Juicer?  This is baffling me quite a bit...
[12:05] <Jimbob> thully: What version of s-j?
[12:05] <thully> the one in Hoary RC
[12:05] <Thundercracker> safrican, that is a good question....one that i don't know the answer to unfortunately ..its prolly on the wikki or maybe some one here knows
[12:05] <thully> BTW, I want to rip to MP3
[12:06] <kro> Where can I find policy describing the criteria used for adding packages to a stable release of Ubuntu?
[12:06] <safrican> Thundercracker: alright - thanks
[12:06] <kro> Like for instance, once hoary releases, what criteria is necessary to add an update?
[12:06] <toresbe> hmm
[12:06] <toresbe> how can I switch off unicode?
[12:07] <yfir> kro: packages aren't really added to a stable release. mostly just security updates
[12:07] <LadyRoot> toresbe, dpkg-reconfigure locale
[12:07] <toresbe> LadyRoot: bahhhhhhhh
[12:07] <dcraven> thully, I'm not sure you can. IIRC it is hardcoded to make it less confusing... As silly as that sounds.
[12:07] <toresbe> I should be shot
[12:07] <Burgundavia> kro: new packages are added to a stable release, only to the next release
[12:08] <toresbe> Package `locale' is not installed and no info is available.
[12:08] <toresbe> ?!
[12:08] <LadyRoot> toresbe, dpkg-reconfigure locales
[12:08] <LadyRoot> sorry
[12:08] <kro> Why are there 3 repositories?  For hoary it looks like there is a hoary secction, a hoary-updates, and a hoary-security
[12:08] <thully> what does it use, BTW?  I'm thinking probably 128, or maybe VBR...
[12:08] <toresbe> I thought it *was* locale
[12:08] <toresbe> oh well
[12:08] <dcraven> thully, lemme look at the code.
[12:09] <e_machinist> Does anyone here have any experience with installing MOHAA under Ubuntu?
[12:09] <brrrt> crimsun: is C-Media Electronics CMI9761 mixer the problem ?
[12:10] <brrrt> crimsun: it seems i have a C-Media Electronics CMI9761 mixer
[12:10] <toresbe> LadyRoot: thanks :)
[12:10] <LadyRoot> toresbe, no problem
[12:10] <brrrt> crimsun: but it works on suse
[12:11] <brrrt> crimsun: and on the ubuntu live-cd
[12:11] <thully> also, I've been trying to get Sound Juicer working with AAC format (by way of gstreamer-faac).  I duplicated the instructions for MP3 format for AAC (changing MP3 references to appropriate values for AAC) and I get huge, unreadable files.  any way to fix this?
[12:11] <shivy> hya :-)
[12:12] <shivy> I have a question, where is my gameport under Ubuntu ?
[12:12] <toresbe> shivy: where it always has been, behind your computer ;)
[12:12] <toresbe> shivy: what do you mean?
[12:12] <dcraven> thully, I'm not seeing the bitrate set anywhere obvious just yet...
[12:12] <shivy> I know but I mean :-) hehehe Where in /dev
[12:12] <toresbe> shivy: /dev/js0 /dev/js1 ...
[12:13] <shivy> or js0 ?
[12:13] <membreya> anyone managed to successfully get OO.o2 and an AMD64 working yet?
[12:13] <shivy> ah
[12:13] <shivy> =-)
[12:13] <shivy> ok this is whats up I have a laserpen for gameport which is used for reading barcodes
[12:14] <shivy> Now how could I do this ...its on js0
[12:15] <dcraven> thully, you might want to try grip... It's a bit more flexible I hear. Have a look.
[12:15] <ubll> How necessary is a firewall in Ubuntu?
[12:15] <CarlK> starhaw1, did kb3 complain about "unable to find cdrdao" ?
[12:16] <kbrooks> ubll, very necessary, imo, if you are running a server on it or browsing the web
[12:16] <CarlK> hmm, no starhaw anymore...
[12:16] <thully> what about ripping to AAC?  any clue how to get that going (I actually added the info to RestrictedFormats wiki for this, but discovered that the ripped files were unreadable).
[12:16] <ubll> kbrooks, can you reccomend me a firewall similiar to Zonealarm?
[12:16] <CarlK> kbrooks, in Ubunto, the default is "no open ports" so what would the firewall do?
[12:17] <kbrooks> ubll, "similar"? with all the bells and whistles?
[12:17] <ubll> kbrooks, I like the "learning" ability of it. When I open an app it asks if I would like it to have access or not
[12:17] <kbrooks> ubll, Well,
[12:17] <CarlK> Win boxes need a FW because they are like swis chease (no offence to the Swiss)
[12:17] <Thundercracker> ubll, iptables should do everything you want
[12:17] <dcraven> thully, I dunno what AAC is, so I'll not be much help :)
[12:18] <bufalo73> ubll, choose the  one you like. there are many... and free
[12:18] <Thundercracker> ubll, you prolly want a front end to help you set it up
[12:18] <kbrooks> ubll, unfortunaely, no firewall FWIK provides support for that
[12:18] <ubll> Alright, thank you all for the advice.
[12:18] <kbrooks> ubll, iptables is just a firewall
[12:18] <kbrooks> ubll, recommendation:
[12:19] <kbrooks> firestarter
[12:19] <ubll> kbrooks, I'll look into it
[12:19] <ubll> ok
[12:19] <CarlK> ubll, unless you start installing servers, I don't think a FW will do anything
[12:19] <thully> AAC= Advanced Audio Codec, also sometimes known as mp4, works on iPods
[12:19] <Thundercracker> kbrooks, yeh thats actually quite good
[12:19] <that> hi
[12:19] <kbrooks> Thundercracker, i find it good, too.
[12:19] <dieman> heh, totem feels sort of heavy duty to play .wav files with :)
[12:20] <Thundercracker> ubll, also just by not starting services you don't need you effectively don't need a firewall unless you want to do rate-limits and stuff like that
[12:21] <Vjaz> Hi.
[12:21] <ubll> thundercracker, I have a simple desktop atm. I think a firewall might be overkill but I'm used to windows
[12:21] <ubll> I'll try firestarter
[12:21] <Vjaz> Anyone else annoyed by the fact that now that Nautilus no longer opens extra windows, the "single window" seems to bounce around when moving in directories?
[12:22] <Vjaz> It seems to me that Nautilus still opens a new window for each directory, but it just closes the old ones.
[12:22] <that> somebody have try kubuntu?
[12:22] <dieman> Vjaz: yes, its awful, i hate it too
[12:22] <dieman> Vjaz: try double middle clicking
[12:23] <speedy2782> what is better, more reliable, faster, more versatile- open or koffice
[12:23] <Nikos__> can anyone tell me how to download SIMULTANEOUSLY more than one files with wget ?
[12:23] <dcraven> Vjaz, In gconf-editor set /apps/nautilus/preferences/no_ubuntu_spatial to true. You need to create the key yourself, as a boolean.
[12:23] <LeeJunFan> that: many people. There is also a #kubuntu channel.
[12:23] <dcraven> Vjaz, I know it's silly, but if you want it back to normal, that's how.
[12:23] <that> tnk you sorry for ot :)
[12:23] <LeeJunFan> that: it's not really OT.
[12:23] <that> that's right
[12:24] <gordonjcp> crimsun: the noapic etc. line works for me
[12:24] <LeeJunFan> that: kubuntu and ubuntu are really the same thing with a different default desktop environment.
[12:24] <gordonjcp> crimsun: thanks for your help, that's got it
[12:24] <dcraven> Nikos__, open more terminals? :)
[12:24] <that> but my very question is if apt repositories are the same of the 5.04 RE
[12:24] <LeeJunFan> that: yes, kubuntu and ubuntu use same repositories.
[12:25] <speedy2782> what is the best office suite?
[12:25] <that> tnk
[12:25] <LeeJunFan> speedy2782: MS Office.
[12:25] <Nikos__> dcraven its time consuming
[12:25] <Nikos__> istn there a command ?
[12:25] <LeeJunFan> :)
[12:25] <Thundercracker> ubll, its all good. Its always difficult to understand a new way of doing things
[12:25] <Amaranth> speedy2782: OpenOffice.org if you want completeness, AbiWord and Gnumeric if you want speed
[12:25] <Vjaz> dieman, dcraven: Thanks.
[12:25] <dcraven> speedy2782, you'll probably get as many answers as there are office suites. I like Abiword/Gnumeric myself.
[12:25] <ubll> :)
[12:25] <dcraven> Vjaz, no sweat.
[12:25] <Amaranth> speedy2782: Although Abiword and Gnumeric are really good with MS Office compatibility too
[12:26] <ubll> Oh, one other question. What's a good Genesis emulator?
[12:26] <Vjaz> Hm... double middle clicking seems ok I guess. I'll use that until it's made more sane.
[12:27] <loaofwar3> hi i have a printer problem
[12:27] <LeeJunFan> Am I the only one who either a) doesn't reboot every day, or b) has Xorg eating large amounts of ram?
[12:27] <loaofwar3> i tried to ask in the ubuntu foroms but nobody would answer
[12:27] <dcraven> ubll, I see dgen in synaptic.
[12:27] <ubll> dcraven, thank you :)
[12:27] <loaofwar3> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=118535#post118535
[12:27] <loaofwar3> can someone help me?
[12:27] <dcraven> Ewww.. Anyone else noticing a change in some ubuntu-artwork colours as of a few hours ago?
[12:28] <holycow> lao just ask
[12:28] <icecube> wheb is the final relese 5.04 or should i start downloading RC
[12:28] <holycow> -+oh heh
[12:28] <holycow> sorry -_-
[12:28] <dcraven> loaofwar3, you asked on the forum like 10 minutes ago dude...
[12:28] <Burgundavia> icecube: this friday
[12:28] <holycow> lao, check www.linuxprinting.org for compatability
[12:29] <punkrockguy318> Burgundavia, i thought the release date was set for today
[12:29] <punkrockguy318> Burgundavia, did they back it up?
[12:29] <loaofwar3> it is pefectly compatible
[12:29] <Burgundavia> punkrockguy318: they bumped to friday to allow testing of gnome 2.10.1
[12:29] <jnc> punkrockguy318: there's no way they'd release it;  printing is broken in OpenOffice for amd64
[12:29] <icecube> friday it is i'll wait tell friday :)
[12:29] <jnc> AFAIk
[12:29] <punkrockguy318> jnc, oh
[12:29] <jnc> i've tried asking about who i can help out to fix that
[12:30] <jnc> but i get the runaround from overworked devs
[12:30] <punkrockguy318> nvidia-glx is also broken
[12:30] <jnc> :/
[12:30] <punkrockguy318> and i'm hoping they fix they fork bomb holes
[12:30] <jnc> well nvidia is unsupported
[12:30] <punkrockguy318> this is true
[12:30] <dcraven> brb
[12:30] <punkrockguy318> jnc, it's working alright, except for the permssions..
[12:30] <jnc> punkrockguy318: so really what you're saying is "i hope i learn how to fix it myself" ;)
[12:31] <holycow> lao nothing obvious that i can think of, i gotta get back to work, sorry wish i was of more help
[12:31] <loaofwar3> jnc: punkrockguy318: there's no way they'd release it;  printing is broken in OpenOffice for amd64? is this true?
[12:31] <punkrockguy318> jnc, i know how to fix it, i was just hoping that it would be fixed by default
[12:31] <loaofwar3> i have amd64 and ooo doesnt print
[12:31] <jnc> loaofwar3: i keep saying it.   it's in bug tracker (the summary of the bug isn't making this obvious)
[12:31] <punkrockguy318> loaofwar3, did you update today? there was an ooo update
[12:31] <jnc> search bugzilla.ubuntu.com for 'spadmin'
[12:32] <brrrt> i still have no luck with my via82xx/CMI9761
[12:32] <jnc> punkrockguy318: take a look at the same bug and you can see for yourself what version
[12:32] <loaofwar3> i updated today but still no luck
[12:32] <brrrt> has anyone a hint for me, please?
[12:32] <jnc> i posted on it the version that is not working for me
[12:32] <punkrockguy318> jnc, i'm not using amd64
[12:33] <dcraven> Oh my, the new Human colours are nasty!
[12:33] <jnc> ?
[12:33] <punkrockguy318> dcraven, in a good way?
[12:33] <jnc> dcraven: #ubuntu-graphicsflamewars  i believe
[12:33] <dcraven> Well.. should I maybe say different.
[12:33] <punkrockguy318> it was a shock at first, but i guess i kind of liek themn
[12:33] <jnc> i like the earthtones
[12:33] <dcraven> punkrockguy318, if you like red/brown.
[12:33] <dcraven> jnc, hehe I guess it's already been discussed :)
[12:34] <jnc> dcraven: bright colours are hard to use for a long time, i'd say
[12:34] <jnc> especially with 1000:1 contract LCD panels
[12:34] <punkrockguy318> dcraven, i'd like to see gtk start to use seperate color/engine themes... like kde... i REALLY like the Human engine, but i'm not to fond of the earthtones
[12:34] <jnc> you know what i mean.  retnia-scalding bright.
[12:34] <ubll> exit
[12:34] <dcraven> Maybe I'll get used to this, but I quite liked the duller brown I must say.
[12:35] <dcraven> punkrockguy318, I like the earthtones, but if I saw any earth that was this colour, I'd avoid it.
[12:35] <dcraven> Hmm.. Maybe it's not that bad.
[12:36] <dcraven> Gotta be original though for sure... heh
[12:36] <jnc> dcraven: just you wait, next thing y'know you'll be painting the walls in your kitchen that colour
[12:36] <Burgundavia> PEI look something like this
[12:36] <sanmarcos>  Hi, I am getting a very weird error, when i try to su, and I put the right passwd, I get auth failed, and I try changing it with ro single at boot.. this is weird, a few days ago I had probelms with all my permissiones being changed, any ideas?
[12:36] <punkrockguy318> sander_, you need to do a sudo su
[12:36] <jnc> sanmarcos: su root is disabled
[12:36] <jnc> sanmarcos: 'sudo bash'  is what i use
[12:37] <punkrockguy318> or that
[12:37] <sanmarcos> jnc: I am in debian
[12:37] <jnc> sanmarcos: there's a channel for that
[12:37] <jnc> ;)
[12:37] <punkrockguy318> i've been seeming to have a problem... my middle mouse button doesn't work
[12:37] <accuser> sanmarcos: 'sudo su' will do the business
[12:37] <sanmarcos> all apathetic people, nobody answers
[12:37] <sanmarcos> sudo: must be setuid root
[12:37] <punkrockguy318> how can I troubleshoot this?
[12:37] <jnc> sanmarcos: that sounds like #debian alright
[12:37] <sanmarcos> accuser: can it have anything to do with /bin permissiones being fscked?
[12:38] <jnc> sanmarcos: did you make a backup?
[12:38] <sanmarcos> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root those were the old perms
[12:38] <sanmarcos> -rwxrwxrwx  1 root root thats what I have now
[12:38] <accuser> sanmarcos: ohh - that is significant
[12:39] <jnc> sanmarcos: i would check for rootkits, then restore from backup if you don't find something
[12:39] <jnc> if you do find something, don't bother calling the feds unless there's more than 10kusd damages
[12:39] <dcraven> jnc, hehe.. restore from backup...
[12:39] <jnc> dcraven: some of us still do backups, ya'herd.
[12:39] <sanmarcos> jnc: I dont think I was hacked
[12:39] <dcraven> :)
[12:39] <kbrooks> I neeed the latesdt firestarter
[12:40] <jnc> kbrooks: wal-mart.   you mean software though
[12:40] <kbrooks> yes
[12:40] <jnc> i wonder how similar firestarter is to fire...   i mean fwbuilder
[12:40] <kbrooks> jnc, no
[12:40] <kbrooks> i meann gurd dog
[12:40] <kbrooks> guarddog
[12:40] <jnc> ah
[12:41] <dcraven> I'm gonna go to the forum and read the bazillion different flame threads about the new colour.
[12:41] <sanmarcos> see but I can login
[12:41] <sanmarcos> or else I wouldnt be here
[12:41] <sanmarcos> I just cant su, or su to another user
[12:43] <punkrockguy318> I'm having mouse problems.. My middle button does not work.. What steps should I take to diagnos this problem?
[12:43] <i0n_st0rm> what's the date for hoary becoming the "current" release again?
[12:44] <punkrockguy318> friday
[12:44] <i0n_st0rm> sweet thanks
[12:44] <administrator> I already have it ;P
[12:45] <i0n_st0rm> i'm on it right now.. was just trying to figure out when they would be marking it officially as being the current stable
[12:45] <i0n_st0rm> :)
[12:46] <jnc> i0n_st0rm: my campaign is to make sure the devs are aware of OpenOffice failing to print for amd64 platform and Hoary
[12:46] <i0n_st0rm> now doesn't that just make your day?
[12:46] <jnc> i0n_st0rm: bug has been submitted, and i'd say this is a major feature for business casual users
[12:46] <jnc> yea
[12:46] <Rebroad> kernel 2.6.10-25 works on my PC, but sometime after that version, they've introduced a bug.. anyone know who I should notify about this please?
[12:46] <jnc> it used to work
[12:47] <jnc> now it don't.  what gives?  dunno.
[12:47] <jnc> Rebroad: have you submitted a bugzilla.ubuntu.com report?
[12:47] <dazed|ubu> where are most of the icon files located?
[12:47] <Rebroad> jnc: I'm not sure. let me check my emails to see if what I submitted was one of those.
[12:48] <i0n_st0rm> jnc: hopefully just a minor oversight that will be fixed in a near-future update
[12:48] <flodine> is there a new release on friday
[12:49] <jnc> i0n_st0rm: i realise, though myself i do not know enough to debug this problem
[12:49] <proth> dazed|ubu: /usr/share/pixmaps
[12:49] <jnc> and it seems the devs are so busy preparing for release, they will miss this
[12:49] <i0n_st0rm> flodine: it seems that hoary becomes the current release friday, if that is what you are asking
[12:49] <jnc> also meanwhile I have made the decision to depend on Ubuntu Hoary for my day-to-day business
[12:50] <jnc> i won't complain, though I feel it is important that they fix this before release
[12:50] <jnc> or a lot of people for amd64 are going to be submitting bugs
[12:51] <i0n_st0rm> jnc: look on the bright side.. even if they fail to fix that specific issue before release, they will be ahead of microsoft on the bugs-on-release issue
[12:51] <jnc> i0n_st0rm: the bright side is so much brighter when your desktop is brown.
[12:52] <brrrt> crimsun: i got it!
[12:52] <i0n_st0rm> jnc: while i do use the default background in ubuntu, i will likely not do so for an extended time
[12:52] <brrrt> crimsun: aktivating all channels in alsamixer was a BAD idea !
[12:52] <jnc> i0n_st0rm: i keep telling myself "down. load. new. wall. paper"
[12:52] <jnc> it never happens!
[12:52] <i0n_st0rm> lol
[12:52] <i0n_st0rm> i've just not gotten around to it
[12:52] <whiskey_2> yes i would say oo is nice but not necessary unless you just  want to use it
[12:53] <brrrt> crimsun: i had to  deactivate "IEC958 C" , now i can hear sound :)
[12:53] <i0n_st0rm> i'll likely just end up throwing on one of my standard wall papers and call it a day
[12:53] <whiskey_2> abi/gnumeric/gimpshop/glom fairly cover the basics
[12:53] <jnc> whiskey_2: gnome-office ?
[12:53] <whiskey_2> jnc, what is gnome-office?
[12:54] <jnc> whiskey_2: meta package for what you just mentioned, i think
[12:54] <whiskey_2> jnc, yes it would be nice to have one metapackage install for those
[12:54] <jnc> gimpshop and glom?
[12:54] <whiskey_2> jnc, yes they are nice
[12:55] <jnc> i haven't heard of glom before
[12:55] <whiskey_2> jnc, man where have you been
[12:56] <imka> hi
[12:56] <whiskey_2> jnc, go over to www.glom.org and learn something
[12:57] <jnc> oh
[12:57] <jnc> access work-alike
[12:57] <imka> after a recent upgrade, ndiswrapper is not loaded at boot. it says smthg like "modprobe.conf exists but doesn't include modrpobe.d". i'm running hoary
[12:57] <imka> any ideas what is up?
[12:57] <CrashTECH> I am having trouble building ndiswrapper so that I can install my linksys wireless card, can anybody provide some insight?
[12:57] <imka> CrashTECH, what's the problem?
[12:57] <e_machinist> How goes it?
[12:57] <whiteknight> CrashTECH, what are you running, you don't need to build ndiswrapper.
[12:58] <CrashTECH> ver 4.10
[12:58] <jnc> warty. hm..
[12:58] <CrashTECH> I was following a how-to from the forums
[12:58] <whiteknight> CrashTECH, its really easy, have you got hold of the ndiswrapper-utils package?
[12:58] <imka> does anyone have a clue to my problem? ^^
[12:58] <i0n_st0rm> lol damn.. how do i find and kill a running process?
[12:59] <whiteknight> i0n_st0rm, ps ax
[12:59] <imka> i0n_st0rm, top
[12:59] <CrashTECH> I wasnt able to find the utils package.
[12:59] <i0n_st0rm> ah thanks.. it's been quite a few years since actually getting into that
[12:59] <CrashTECH> I have no network connection in *nix from the if not in windows
[12:59] <CrashTECH> I was trying to get either the wired or wireless lan going
[12:59] <imka> after a recent upgrade, ndiswrapper is not loaded at boot. it says smthg like "modprobe.conf exists but doesn't include modrpobe.d". i'm running hoary
[12:59] <whiteknight> CrashTECH, http://packages.ubuntu.com/warty/misc/ndiswrapper-utils
[01:00] <i0n_st0rm> there we go
[01:00] <flipy> hi!!!
[01:00] <i0n_st0rm> whiteknight: thanks :)
[01:00] <whiteknight> imka, does it work manually?
[01:00] <whiteknight> i0n_st0rm, no worries
[01:01] <flipy> i want to control all modules loaded at boot, where can i check modules being loaded? (i want to check the acpi support)
[01:01] <imka> whiteknight, yes. it worked before automatically
[01:01] <xiaogil> how to choose the default chinese font for the system ?
[01:01] <CrashTECH> so that package will have what I need in it?
[01:01] <xiaogil> for gnome ?
[01:01] <imka> whiteknight, should i use modprobe -C?
[01:01] <whiteknight> CrashTECH, yeah that and also the windows .inf for the card
[01:02] <CrashTECH> I have the drivers downloaded and transfered via usb drive
[01:02] <whiteknight> imka, try ndiswrapper -m (i think, from memory)
[01:03] <imka> thanks. brb
[01:03] <whiteknight> when i get my programming skills up to date i'm going to write a gui to set up ndiswrapper!
[01:04] <CrashTECH> that would be nice WK
[01:04] <whiteknight> CrashTECH, it'll be a while though :)
[01:04] <Sauron21> Hi....I was wondering if anyone could tell me what IN BLOODY HELL IS.......sry about that.....its just that I have just installed ubuntu and I seem to have a slight problem.....I dont know the root password....that I didnt give the computer in the first place.....
[01:05] <Sauron21> could anyone help me out here?
[01:05] <CrashTECH> i would do the same, but yeah, I am not quite that versed yet myself
[01:05] <Sauron21> :'(
[01:05] <whiteknight> Sauron21, there isn't a root password
[01:05] <i2oboDude> does any one know if they have fixed the GRUB issue when installing ubuntu in a SATA and PATA HD configuration?
[01:05] <Sauron21> ...there isent?
[01:05] <whiteknight> Sauron21, just use sudo and your other password
[01:05] <hyphenated> Sauron21: there isn't one. you use 'sudo' instead of logging in or using 'su -' to get root
[01:05] <garrut> zz
[01:06] <Sauron21> so all commands that I before did as su....I now must do sudo ?
[01:06] <CrashTECH> I am going to try to get that working, brb
[01:06] <Sauron21> thats was.....different...
[01:06] <e_machinist> How do I run the fglrx control panel?
[01:06] <whiteknight> Sauron21, you could activate the password (though a lot of people don't agree with it!)
[01:07] <whiteknight> Sauron21, something like sudo passwd
[01:07] <hyphenated> Sauron21: instead of doing 'su -' to get a root shell and then running a bunch of commands, you prefix any commands that require root privileges with 'sudo'
[01:07] <hyphenated> eg: sudo apt-get update
[01:07] <Sung> caanyone use the hoary verison of ubuntu ?
[01:07] <e_machinist> Does anyone know how to run or access the fglrx control panel?
[01:08] <Burgundavia> fglrx_control
[01:08] <Burgundavia> I think
[01:08] <Sung> hmm
[01:08] <flodine> how do i configure my satas
[01:08] <e_machinist> Burgundavia, yah, I tried that... keeps saying command not found.
[01:08] <Burgundavia> fireglcontrol
[01:09] <Burgundavia> is a qt app
[01:09] <CrashTECH> AGH... now it wont mount my usb drive
[01:09] <e_machinist> ahh, I get it. Thanks Burgundavia.
[01:09] <whiteknight> CrashTECH, type dmesg to see the kernel info
[01:09] <whiteknight> CrashTECH, and see if there is an error
[01:10] <CrashTECH> yep... did that. it says it found a usb mass storage dev at 10
[01:10] <CrashTECH> no error
[01:10] <ago73> hi
[01:10] <whiteknight> CrashTECH, you could manually mount it...
[01:10] <CrashTECH> before it was showing up as sda1 or something
[01:10] <libben> I want nice icons on my desktop... displaying cpu usage, mem usage, empty space, etc etc... is it gdesklet the thing for me?
[01:10] <whiteknight> CrashTECH, it might have moved to sdb1
[01:10] <libben> or should i use anything else?
[01:10] <dcraven> So like now I have to adjust the colours in my Ubuntu gvim theme...
[01:11] <Sauron21> does anyone have opera running with ubuntu?
[01:11] <whiteknight> libben, right click on the top bar in gnome and add to panel then select system monitor
[01:11] <CrashTECH> it says it is /dev/scsi/host5/bus0/target0/lun0
[01:12] <libben> whiteknight, not the thing i want
[01:12] <libben> i want it on desktop..
[01:12] <libben> cute pngs and info to it =)
[01:12] <whiteknight> libben, gkrellm
[01:12] <ctr-> anyone know how I can reset my gnome desktop to the stock gnome desktop ?
[01:13] <IRCMark> hi, I've just updated from warty to hoary but I can't find synaptics now, can you tell me where it is?
[01:13] <whiteknight> CrashTECH, that is the true place though it usually has a link to sda1 or sdb1
[01:13] <libben> whiteknight, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1851 so this aint the thing ?
[01:13] <ago73> for external repositories to go with hoary, should I choose unstable or testing?
[01:14] <IRCMark> hi, I've just updated from warty to hoary but I can't find synaptics now, can you tell me where it is? please help me
[01:15] <goldfish> yeah
[01:15] <whiteknight> IRCMark, systems -> administration ->
[01:15] <goldfish> i have the same problem
[01:15] <goldfish> im using xfce though :/
[01:15] <whiteknight> libben, it might be :) i quite like gkrellm
[01:16] <goldfish> when i try run synaptic from the terminal it says command not found
[01:17] <cikilin> can anibody tell me haw i restore the panel?
[01:17] <IRCMark> I can't find synaptics in my Sistem > Administration
[01:17] <dcraven> cikilin, what does that mean? Is yours gone?
[01:18] <whiteknight> IRCMark, perhaps it wasn't installed! got to a console and sudo apt-get  install synaptic
[01:18] <cikilin> the panel witch contains the thrash i just delete by mistake
[01:18] <cikilin> from down
[01:18] <diego> cikilin: right click on an existing panel and go to new panel
[01:18] <diego> cikilin: then add the trash applet to it
[01:19] <cikilin> how?
[01:19] <diego> how what?
[01:19] <cikilin> to add?
[01:19] <Nigelenki> hi
[01:19] <Nigelenki> I need to print a .ps file
[01:19] <Nigelenki> to something other than what lpr prints to
[01:19] <diego> right click on the panel, select to panel, select Trash, select add
[01:19] <Nigelenki> specifically, to a pdf
[01:20] <diego> cikilin: above was to you and i meant 'add to panel'*
[01:20] <cikilin> k
[01:20] <cikilin> done
[01:21] <cikilin> if i minimize a window it goes to left of the screen
[01:21] <cikilin> not down
[01:22] <scottj> for some reason rhythmbox says it can't play my mp3s and muine is seg faulting when I try to play one, yet totem plays them fine. any ideas?
[01:22] <chibifs> Using Xine totem?
[01:22] <occy> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[01:22] <occy> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] 
[01:22] <whiteknight> hehe now when i go to firefox it welcomes me to the ubuntu 5.04 hoary hedgehog release
[01:22] <crimsun> /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build
[01:23] <scottj> chibifs, yeah
[01:23] <occy> what should I apt-get install?
[01:23] <crimsun> so you need linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[01:23] <occy> crimsun: heyaz
[01:23] <crimsun> occy: hi
[01:23] <occy> crimsun: just apt-get install that huh.
[01:23] <chibifs> That would be the main thing then, Try re-installing Gstreamer.
[01:23] <chibifs> Might be borken.
[01:23] <CrashTECH> w00t... after taking the usb drive out, then rebooting, then plugging it bakc in, it showed up.
[01:24] <carlos_> any E17 users here?
[01:24] <ago73> hoary: unstable or testing external repositories?
[01:24] <son> i still dontknow what a kernel is *harumph*
[01:24] <chibifs> Kernel is the very core of the Operating system, it communicates with the hardware.
[01:24] <diego> son: the core of the OS
[01:24] <scottj> chibifs, which of all the gstreamer packages?
[01:24] <scottj> carlos_, sometimes
[01:24] <son> oh ok
[01:24] <son> forgot
[01:25] <chibifs> scottj - Probably all of them. :P
[01:25] <carlos_> scottj how may I install it? does it have many dependencies?
[01:25] <chibifs> I'm not sure on the exact problem, but gstreamer is picky! D:
[01:25] <jldugger> hey, is there a way to mount a .iso onto the filesystem? the guide im reading says to use mount -oloop but i get an error saying there are no /dev/loop# devices =(
[01:25] <HrdwrBoB> sudo modprobe loop
[01:25] <scottj> chibifs, is there any easy command to do that instead of apt-get removing all and then installing them all?
[01:26] <carlos_> scottj I am interested in 17 or maybe CVS in case it's got new stuff
[01:26] <jldugger> HrdwrBoB, thanks.
[01:26] <chibifs> Do it with synaptic, and re-install them. Command line is SO last week :D
[01:26] <diego> command line is next week actually
[01:26] <lok> scottj, gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:26] <jldugger> man, i remember when synaptic brought the GUI to its knees.
[01:26] <chibifs> And it will fluxuate each and every week. :P
[01:26] <HrdwrBoB> fluctuate
[01:27] <jldugger> stupid triangle widgets totally crushed the experience
[01:27] <chibifs> Bah! Doughnut.
[01:27] <jldugger> they've improved and i bought a new computer
[01:27] <diego> jldugger: heh, yeah :)
[01:27] <occy> E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.10-4-386
[01:27] <occy> hmm
[01:27] <scottj> carlos, it's cake, once you figure it out :) I wrote instructions for Foresight Linux at http://wiki.foresightlinux.com/index.php/Enlightenment and it's mostly the same with ubuntu, but I haven't checked to see how many differences there are
[01:28] <whiskey_2> i saw the strangest comment on slashdot today....someone said how come all the businesses see free software as "bad" but don't mind pirating commercial software.
[01:28] <whiskey_2> it is somewhat hypocritical
[01:29] <scottj> whiskey_2, get a job. business don't pirate software on the whole, and they think free software is bad because normally there's no one to call and fix it for them
[01:29] <whiskey_2> scottj, this government will not let me have a job for 11 years now....so that is out....and "if it aint' broke, why fix it?"
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> the government won't let you have a job?
[01:30] <occy> crimsun: think I'll need to dist-upgrade to get linux-headers?
[01:30] <occy> I'm running Hoary, and haven't apt-get dist-upgraded in a whiel.
[01:30] <occy> errr while.
[01:30] <diego> whiskey_2: does that make you 4 years old?
[01:30] <diego> i don't think a 4 year old can type that well
[01:30] <whiskey_2> HrdwrBoB, uh...no...i have had some disagreement with the government for many years and the FBI says they are shitting on me!
[01:31] <scottj> whiskey_2, ha! you think you're bad stuff eh?
[01:31] <whiskey_2> scottj, uh ...no....there are just some unresolved issues.
[01:31] <imka> after todays hoary upgrade, esound is not working properly. i get the "drums" when loading gdm, but after starting gnome, esd doesnt seem to work. no sound with rhythmbox, but i can play music in xmms, but only with alsa. any ideas?
[01:31] <scottj> what did you do that was so major the FBI gives a hoot about your employment? my guess is imagination.
[01:32] <imka> i don't even get the gnome startup sound
[01:32] <whiskey_2> scottj, well i was fired for not being a nigger....i was told that the blacks needed a black role model.
[01:32] <Xannix> I am very new to Ubuntu/debian based systems all together, how/where do i set the root password on a new install of ubuntu
[01:32] <scottj> whiskey_2, anyway, businesses aren't piraters nearly as often as home users.
[01:32] <diego> Xannix: why would you?
[01:32] <scottj> whiskey_2, and the fbi cares why?
[01:33] <imka> Xannix, "sudo su" enter your password, "password" and set your roor password
[01:33] <imka> anyone else having problems with esd under hoary?
[01:33] <sysrq> ... why? just use sudo -s
[01:33] <sysrq> heh
[01:33] <whiskey_2> scottj, well hey i did not say home users were not....but there seem to be many businesses that don't mind saying hey joe see if you can get a copy of this.
[01:33] <Burgundavia> Xannix: for your information, Ubuntu uses sudo to do most things, so you really don't need a root password
[01:33] <diego> Xannix: imka meant the `passwd` command
[01:33] <imka> diego Xannix yea sorry
[01:34] <Xannix> ahh is that why
[01:34] <goldfish> anyone use root-tail on ubuntu?
[01:34] <diego> i miss cable, i used to have 5mbps and now i only have 3 :(
[01:34] <whiskey_2> scottj, i have no idea why the FBI does what it does...they don't give out information....about all you can do is argue with them.
[01:34] <scottj> whiskey_2, they're typically small businesses. any decent sized business has multi-million-dollar offices in charge of just one thing, buying software.
[01:34] <imka> any clues why esound stopped working after todays upgrade?
[01:34] <Xannix> It looks similar to Fedora but thing seem very different
[01:35] <whiskey_2> scottj, well if that is what you believe i am not going to argue with you.
[01:35] <scottj> whiskey_2, it's not what I believe, it's what I've seen and anyone can see if they work for a big company or even go to visit.
[01:37] <FirefoxKal-linux> can anyone tell me how to install a .deb in GUI?
[01:37] <inter> anyone here know how to add/remove boot services from ubuntu? (update-rc.d removes the whole boot script but I just want to keep it from loading)
[01:37] <whiskey_2> scottj,  well i did work for a big company some 20 years ago and you would be surprised in those days how many used their zerox machines to make illegal copies of materials.
[01:38] <diego> inter: i think you're supposed to remove a symlink somewhere
[01:38] <whiskey_2> scottj, so you have what you see and i have what i see.
[01:38] <occy> anyone recommend doing an upgrade with hoary now?   I'm running Hoar currently, but it's a few weeks old.
[01:38] <diego> occy: no large reason why not
[01:38] <inter> diego, thats what I thought but according the debian boot services documentation your not supposed to touch the symlinks o_O
[01:39] <occy> 606 upgraded, 9 newly installed, 2 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[01:39] <occy> Need to get 447MB/448MB of archives.
[01:39] <occy> After unpacking 81.8MB of additional disk space will be used.
[01:39] <occy> heh
[01:39] <xiaogil> how to tell the system which font to use for which language ?
[01:39] <cikilin> can anybody tell :when mimimize a window is not going down is going left of the screen
[01:39] <rob_> hey can anyone help me here:
[01:39] <cikilin> and i want it down
[01:39] <diego> inter: well i think there's an updaterc or rcupdate proggie that touches the symlinks for you...i don't know. that stuff was better back on gentoo
[01:39] <rob_> rob@here-be-dragons:~/Desktop$ ./waste
[01:39] <rob_> ./waste: error while loading shared libraries: libwx_gtk2u_xrc-2.5.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:40] <rob_> it's in /usr/lib
[01:40] <inter> diego, hmmm
[01:40] <scottj> whiskey_2, what was the company that you worked for that said "hey joe go see if you can download photoshop off IRC"?
[01:40] <akk> inter: update-rc.d will remove the symlinks for you, but they come back in an upgrade.
[01:40] <inter> diego, thanks...I think the updaterc program actually removes the whole script from /etc/init.d
[01:40] <occy> scott: heh
[01:40] <crimsun> rob_: ltrace it
[01:40] <diego> inter: meh, **shrug**
[01:41] <inter> akk, isn't there away to just tell ubuntu _not_ to load a service without blowing it away?
[01:41] <rob_> ltrace: "./waste" is ELF from incompatible architecture
[01:41] <akk> inter: I finally ended up writing a script that keeps a list of services I want turned off: it calls apt-get update, apt-get -f dist-upgrade, then update-rc.d for each disabled service.
[01:41] <inter> diego, ya...seems kinda lame
[01:41] <whiskey_2> scottj, no company ever told me that and i have never seen photoshop
[01:41] <rob_> i downloaded the waste client from the sf site
[01:41] <scottj> whiskey_2, that's what I thought.
[01:41] <inter> akk, ugh
[01:41] <whiskey_2> scottj, so why spew nonsense.
[01:41] <njan> akk, rcconf? sysv-rc-conf?
[01:41] <cikilin> hellllllllllllllllloooooooooooo
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> um it's not nonsense
[01:41] <inter> akk, sounds like the debian boot services standard needs some work
[01:41] <whiskey_2> scottj, sounds like you have some kind of hidden agenda with a biased mind
[01:41] <i2oboDude> no flash player for amd64s?
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> small companies I have found will pirate things
[01:42] <akk> inter: Yes, it does.  But debian people seem happy with it.  I don't know about rconf, that njan just mentioned, though.
[01:42] <njan> HrdwrBoB, s/small/all/
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> but generally many would prefer open source
[01:42] <scottj> whiskey_2, alright, now I see why the FBI might be after you
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> njan: yes but small companies it's a company thing
[01:42] <inter> rcconf?  never heard of it
[01:42] <rob_> wine: L"Z:\\usr\\home\\rob\\Desktop\\waste" is a Unix binary, not supported
[01:42] <akk> inter: The funny thing is: it's such a FAQ that debian has a bunch of pages about complicated-and-temporary ways to do it
[01:42] <mike998> has anyone got sim city 3000 running on their box?
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> larger companies it's generally people, not a company thing
[01:42] <rob_> crimsun: ideas?
[01:42] <whiskey_2> scottj, well so what....at least i don't use the law to murder helpless women by starving them to death or otherwise.
[01:42] <akk> inter: with rude remarks aimed at people who want something more permanent.
[01:43] <njan> HrdwrBoB, it's a people thing in small companies too, the difference is that when one person pirates software in a small company it affects the whole business, whereas with larger businesses it generally affects only a portion of it.
[01:43] <inter> akk, well...I think i'll just remove the symlinks manually o_O
[01:43] <rob_> rob@here-be-dragons:~/Desktop$ file waste
[01:43] <rob_> waste: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped
[01:43] <scottj> whiskey_2, how is the FBI using the the law to starve helpless women?
[01:43] <x_or> I think I have gnome-pilot setup correctly, but I am unsure what app I use to view my data.  Is this jpilot?  Is there a way to sync using gnome-pilot but use jpilot?
[01:43] <inter> akk, debian ppl aren't always the niecest ;)
[01:43] <whiskey_2> scottj, well they support this goddammed government.
[01:43] <inter> akk, nicest*
[01:43] <scottj> njan, most large businesses have site licenses for about everything imaginable.
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> whiskey_2: they support ANY government
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> .. that's their job
[01:44] <akk> inter: They refer people who want non-rude behavior to ubuntu. :-)
[01:44] <whiskey_2> scottj, and this government murders helpless women by starving them to death...a la  Shiavo case.
[01:44] <rob_> i'd kill for some insight here
[01:44] <scottj> whiskey_2, they're law enforcement, what do you expect?
[01:44] <njan> scottj, not in my experience. Most vendors nowadays don't do such a thing as a 'site license', it's all per-seat.
[01:44] <njan> scott, 5,000 seat license for borderware firewalls? sure. Site license? no. :)
[01:44] <akk> inter: (actually there are lots of nice debian people, in addition to the less nice ones)
[01:44] <inter> akk, hehe...or a stable distro that isn't 10yrs old
[01:44] <njan> s/scott/scottj/
[01:44] <inter> akk, ah...i liked the gentoo ppl the most
[01:44] <inter> akk, just my expereince though
[01:45] <CrashTECH> hrm... apparently ndiswrapper loaded the driver, but the pcmca driver isnt there, so the card is not physically detected
[01:45] <inter> akk, don't ;)
[01:45] <rob_> someone, anyone?
[01:45] <inter> akk, nice ppl...bad distro idea
[01:46] <i0n_st0rm> hrm.. how do i see what to remove to get rid of old unused kernels again? updated to k7 and want to be rid of the 386 ones cluttering me up
[01:46] <whiskey_2> and there is a real damn problem with this government...the damn Mexicans want to kill little children...a la Gonzalez Case of Colorado....and the niggers want to take over the world for the niggers and all their benefits systems...and the lying Jews go along with anything that makes them money.
[01:47] <diego> scottj: days is an understatement. to get a gentoo system working similar to a ubuntu system takes weeks for a non-1337 haxx0r
[01:47] <jldugger> i0n_st0rm, well, synaptic can let you search for linux-kernel packages
[01:47] <John__> whiskey_2: the hell?
[01:47] <diego> whiskey_2: tone down the racism would you?
[01:47] <whiskey_2> diego, hey what do you expect from an insane person.
[01:47] <i0n_st0rm> i suppose it could.. i'm just more used to doing things hands-on (i originally started back into linux with gentoo, so i'm more used to dealing with command line :))
[01:48] <jldugger> hey, is swat availble in hoary?
[01:48] <FirefoxKal-linux> can anyone tell me how to install a .deb in GUI?
[01:48] <diego> i0n_st0rm: i wasn't trying to say that gentoo is bad for it. i think it's wonderful for learning, but i'm here in #ubuntu because _most_ of that hands-on work is done for me on ubuntu and i can just _use_ the os
[01:48] <diego> jldugger: let me check
[01:49] <diego> jldugger: samba web admin tool? yeah
[01:49] <x_or> "...and the niggers want to take over the world for the niggers and all their benefits systems.."  You talking about welfare here?  Corporate welfare is the real problem, social welfare is miniscule comparatively.  Racists are easily confused by the papers.
[01:49] <goldfish> FirefoxKal-linux: it's handy to install from command line
[01:49] <jldugger> hmm. im in warty right now, and i get a depends error
[01:49] <i0n_st0rm> hehe i know :)
[01:49] <goldfish> FirefoxKal-linux: dpkg -i file.deb
[01:49] <scottj> chibifs, reinstalling gstreamer didn't do it. the error I get is "Could not open resource for writing." then "Could not pause playback"
[01:49] <FirefoxKal-linux> goldfish, i know... but it doesn't offer... GUI?
[01:49] <rob_> somebody... help me!
[01:50] <jldugger> cant figure out where it got the package description from though
[01:50] <i0n_st0rm> diego: i was just saying that i'm more used to doing everything hands-on, so i try that route first :)
[01:50] <goldfish> FirefoxKal-linux: oh right, sorry
[01:50] <mello> man i love xchat
[01:50] <akk> FirefoxKal-linux: Maybe synaptic has an option to install a deb?
[01:50] <mello> but i don't know how to change the color
[01:50] <mello> s
[01:50] <whiskey_2> x_or, hey don't tell about damn papers...just walk to the local food stamp lines and look whos there.
[01:50] <goldfish> irssi all the way
[01:50] <mello> could someone help me change the text colors
[01:50] <FirefoxKal-linux> akk, i want to know where..?
[01:50] <scottj> whiskey_2, there are lots of forms of welfare besides foodstamps.
[01:50] <crimsun> rob_: are you on amd64?
[01:50] <FirefoxKal-linux> akk, it opens the application installer
[01:50] <jldugger> FirefoxKal-linux, I don't think there is one yet.
[01:51] <x_or> Yep, 'cause we don't fund education here in the US, so people have no choice.  You see what you want to see anyway.  Most people on welfare work full time, btw.
[01:51] <FirefoxKal-linux> :\
[01:51] <whiskey_2> x_or, those damn niggers and Mexicans have 15 children each and don't give a shit about them except how many food stamps they can get.
[01:51] <x_or> You are completely delusional, but I know enough to know you won't change by me telling you that.
[01:51] <drasko> hi all. How to share internet connection between two ubuntus. Mine is 192.168.0.1 and other is 192.168.0.2
[01:51] <whiskey_2> x_or, no i won't
[01:51] <billyoc> whiskey_2 == typical red welfare stater.
[01:51] <mello> whiskey_2: shush man, nobody wants to hear this
[01:51] <scottj> x_or, but he'll sure amuse us :)
[01:51] <FirefoxKal-linux> How to get Firestarter to use dhcp3?
[01:51] <diego> drasko: do you have a router then or are you feeding one off the other?
[01:52] <jldugger> FirefoxKal-linux, maybe file a feature request with synaptic
[01:52] <akk> FirefoxKal-linux: Isn't the application installer what you want?
[01:52] <scottj> whiskey_2 = typical white-trash redneck inbred west-virginia folk
[01:52] <FirefoxKal-linux> akk, it only can add/remove what's on the CD
[01:52] <drasko> diego, one to another. 01 is a gateway
[01:52] <whiskey_2> scottj, make that Greek.
[01:53] <akk> FirefoxKal-linux: Doesn't it have someplace to change that?  I think I remember seeing that.
[01:53] <x_or> But, you might look into how much this country spends on military compared to the next twenty countries.  If you looked closely, you'd realize we could spend a little more on social programs and there would be shorted welfare lines.  But, again, Fox News would rather you don't think about that.
[01:53] <diego> drasko: i imagine you just configure the slave to have an ip of 192.168.0.2/24 and a default gw of 192.168.0.1
[01:53] <FirefoxKal-linux> akk, i can't find it.
[01:53] <jldugger> FirefoxKal-linux, in synaptic?
[01:53] <diego> drasko: on the master i'm not sure...probably some sort of tunneling
[01:54] <whiskey_2> x_or, piss on the social programs...why should all those niggers and Mexicans get food stamps for their bastards when this government won't even let me talk to my wife and kids for 11 years.
[01:54] <FirefoxKal-linux> jldugger, hmm tell me where please
[01:54] <i2oboDude> woohoo I installed the Nvidia drivers, umm is there a way to get rid of the Nvidia Spash screen?
[01:54] <akk> FirefoxKal-linux: I just looked: you can change repositories in the Settings menu, but I don't see anything to install a single .deb.
[01:54] <FirefoxKal-linux> akk, that's sucks
[01:54] <scottj> whiskey_2, because your wife and kids have a restraining order against you because you're crazy?
[01:54] <John__> because they realize how idiotic you are?
[01:54] <CrashTECH> is there an easy way to edit grub so that it loads windows by default instead of Ubuntu?
[01:54] <billyoc> scottj: rofl
[01:54] <akk> FirefoxKal-linux: Maybe there's some other program that can do it; sorry, I don't know, never looked.
[01:55] <whiskey_2> scottj, well there is more to it than what is on the surface.
[01:55] <John__> scottj: nice
[01:55] <diego> i2oboDude: yes there is, modify your xorg.conf file (hoary) to have Option "NoLogo"
[01:55] <x_or> whiskey_2:  I honestly, honestly, sympathize with you.  I agree our government is completely fucked up, but they manipulate people into thinking the problem is with the people at the bottom, not the ones at the top.
[01:55] <i2oboDude> thanks you
[01:55] <x_or> The history of the US is using the poor against each other.
[01:55] <jldugger> FirefoxKal-linux, if you're looking to install stuff over the net, look at settings-> repositories
[01:55] <whiskey_2> x_or, well now it may be just everyone not some here or there.
[01:55] <diego> CrashTECH: i'm sorry you want to do that but edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and put the Windows one before the others
[01:55] <bwlang> CrashTECH: yes... just change default to whatever then number windows is on your system
[01:56] <diego> i2oboDude: np
[01:56] <CrashTECH> diego till i get all my drivers and stuff working....
[01:56] <diego> CrashTECH: meh, how bad is the situation?
[01:56] <CrashTECH> no network, no sound, no pci/pcmca... nothing
[01:57] <CrashTECH> HP Pavilion zx5000 lappy
[01:57] <diego> CrashTECH: ouch
[01:57] <rob_> crimsun: sorry for the late reply, but yes
[01:57] <x_or> See, tort reform should not be about making sure corporations are limited in the amount they pay out when they injure someone, but about making sure you are not put in a situation where you cannot talk to your kids.  But, guess which one GW is going after?  Not to help you...
[01:57] <i2oboDude> diego, is there a good 3d demo to test out how my card opperates in 3d?
[01:57] <CrashTECH> its all HP stuff... and Texas Inst
[01:57] <dcraven> I'm on a ze5610 right now!
[01:57] <diego> i2oboDude: run `glxgears`
[01:57] <i2oboDude> cool
[01:57] <diego> i2oboDude: and then play tuxracer, lol
[01:57] <rob_> crimsun: i should be able to run a 32-bit program... i have the emulation libraries
[01:58] <John__> applauds even
[01:58] <jonathan_> is there software for ubuntu like bearshare or Winmx
[01:58] <CrashTECH> dcraven: how do I get all this crap working then? Will HP provide me drivers for *nix?
[01:58] <scottj> anyone played wargus?
[01:58] <merlin__> Does someone know where I can get /usr/lib/autofs/autofs-ldap-auto-master from (required by autofs). auto-apt search autofs-ldap-auto-master returns empty
[01:58] <akk> FirefoxKal-linux: someone tells me that nautilus may do it if you're root, but that's not much help (don't want to have to run X as root ...)
[01:58] <i2oboDude> Is there a linux modern game demo like Doom3 or something... ehehe i have a 6600gt
[01:58] <dcraven> CrashTECH, no.. Don't even bother looking for HP support...
[01:58] <cef> diego: or scorched3d *grin*
[01:58] <diego> i2oboDude: doom3 works on linux
[01:59] <CrashTECH> then my options are... ?
[01:59] <jldugger> i2oboDude, ut2k4 works well
[01:59] <FirefoxKal-linux> akk, me too... too dangerous
[01:59] <i2oboDude> oh what... dope!
[01:59] <dcraven> CrashTECH, Is it wireless network you are having trouble with or ethernet?
[01:59] <dcraven>  or wired...
[01:59] <CrashTECH> becuase I really would like to be able to dual boot... FC picked up the eth, but its display support for the lappy was aweful
[01:59] <CrashTECH> both...
[01:59] <CrashTECH> i cant get either network to work
[01:59] <rob_> crimsun: i am modestly begging you
[02:00] <dcraven> Okay well let's start with wired... Is it a National Semiconductor like mine?
[02:00] <CrashTECH> Realtek
[02:00] <CrashTECH> Ubuntu picks up all the right names for the hardware, it just doesnt know what it is.
[02:00] <dcraven> CrashTECH, oh.. Well that's not gonna be the same.. How about wireless, Broadcomm?
[02:01] <CrashTECH> Linksys
[02:01] <jldugger> is it just me, or is the playlist editor in beep-media-player messed up?
[02:01] <dcraven> CrashTECH, well it seems as though these lappies are quite different after all.
[02:01] <scottj> anyone else find it amusing that whiskey_2 would use ubuntu?
[02:01] <billyoc> yes
[02:01] <CrashTECH> well, the wireless is a card, not built in
[02:01] <jldugger> humanity towards others
[02:01] <dcraven> Ahh.
[02:01] <billyoc> what with black people on the web site and all.
[02:02] <CrashTECH> the cardbus is by Texus Inst i think
[02:02] <scottj> anyone know, is ubuntu zulu?
[02:02] <rob_> crimsun: ya there?
[02:02] <CrashTECH> The digital media card reader is by TI i know...
[02:03] <CrashTECH> hey, i got a couple errors here...
[02:03] <CrashTECH> damnit
[02:03] <dcraven> CrashTECH, have a look in the forums if you haven't already. This stuff is asked all the time so I'm sure someone asked about the same hardware.
[02:03] <CrashTECH> I checked aroudn today, didnt find anything specific... it doesnt seem too many people use zx5000s
[02:04] <CrashTECH> where is the boot log located? there were some modprobe errors
[02:04] <dcraven> CrashTECH, don't search the laptop model, but the components.
[02:04] <dcraven> CrashTECH, try "dmesg".
[02:04] <akk> TI chips often aren't well supported, might need extra work.
[02:04] <i2oboDude> I how do i RUN a .run file? its the ut2k4 demo file, do I do  ./filename.run?
[02:05] <jldugger> i2oboDude, two ways
[02:05] <dcraven> i2oboDude, chmod 755 filename && ./filename
[02:05] <jldugger> either make it executable and ./filename.run it, or sh filename
[02:05] <jldugger> sh filename is easier
[02:05] <crimsun> rob_: are you running it from within a 32-bit chroot?
[02:05] <crimsun> rob_: or have you tried obtaining a 64-bit version of waste?
[02:05] <i2oboDude> whats sh?
[02:05] <jldugger> not sure
[02:06] <i2oboDude> lol
[02:06] <i2oboDude> indeed
[02:06] <awb4422> If i want to get qt on my machine, do I only need to install libqt3-dev?
[02:06] <dcraven> i2oboDude, it just runs the file as a bash program.
[02:06] <rob_> crimsun: no, no
[02:06] <rob_> crimsun: where could i get a 64-bit version?
[02:06] <dcraven> i2oboDude, man sh
[02:06] <ToothAway> What keeps the livecd from being the install cd?
[02:06] <dcraven> ... if interested.
[02:06] <diego> ToothAway: time
[02:07] <i2oboDude> hehee, sorry i forget about the MAN pages from time to time
[02:07] <CrashTECH> well, at least one of the errors had to do with my usb...
[02:07] <CrashTECH> my keyboard and mouse didnt work
[02:07] <dcraven> i2oboDude, no biggie ;P .. Sometimes people avoid them on purpose :)
[02:09] <rob_> crimsun: any ideas?
[02:09] <rob_> or how to build it?
[02:09] <akk> awb4422: -dev are if you want to build qt programs.  You shouldn't need that to run them.
[02:10] <merlin__> does anyone know how auto-apt search really works?
[02:10] <libben> what is applications/system tools/Add-Remove program ? is it something u should use instead of --purge? or synaptic complete removal?
[02:10] <crimsun> rob_: it seems to be specifically for 32-bit OSes, which means you need to install a 32-bit chroot. Search the wiki for "debootstrap".
[02:10] <libben> merlin__, apt-cache search PROGRAMNAME
[02:10] <rob_> ack okay
[02:10] <rob_> gotcha
[02:10] <mello> fellas, how do i configure x-chat 2.4.1 to open urls in a new tab in firefox?
[02:10] <merlin__> libben: yeah, but that doesn't work for many files. Try this: auto-apt search autofs-ldap-auto-master
[02:10] <akk> awb4422: I seem to have ended up with libqt3c102-mt = Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime version)
[02:10] <rob_> crimsun: i could build it myself, right?
[02:11] <rob_> crimsun: don't go anywhere... i'll be right back
[02:11] <akk> awb4422: I don't run a lot of qt stuff but I think that's enough for the basics.
[02:11] <merlin__> libben: autofs-ldap-auto-master ended up being in autofs-ldap, but I had to grep for it in /var/lib/apt/lists/* because auto-apt didn't work
[02:11] <awb4422> akk: I'm trying to build mythtv on my machine...
[02:11] <libben> never used auto-apt
[02:11] <awb4422> this is the error I'm getting... from what i've seen, google tells me I need "my own" installation of qt
[02:12] <awb4422> Starting MythTV server: mythbackendQSettings: error creating /home/andrew/.qt
[02:12] <akk> awb4422: Ah, okay, then you will need the -dev, and possibly libqt3-headers and qt3-dev-tools and such
[02:12] <dcraven> merlin__, you don't like synaptic?
[02:12] <awb4422> Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[02:12] <geneo93> i use qt apps that required qt-desinger
[02:13] <billyoc> geneo93: something requires the *designer*?
[02:13] <geneo93> moc files and a few others
[02:13] <billyoc> ah, ic
[02:13] <merlin__> dcraven: synaptic is nice, but doesn't tell which package has file foo. Also, it's not command line :)
[02:13] <dcraven> Omg I don't miss those moc files...
[02:13] <dcraven> merlin__, I see.
[02:14] <merlin__> In many years of using debian, I never really found out why auto-apt only works for some files and not all
[02:14] <dcraven> geneo93, so why would a qt application require designer? Are you trying to compile them?
[02:14] <dcraven> Just curious.
[02:15] <geneo93> dcraven:  yes they have to be compiled
[02:15] <serendipity> how much hd space does a starndard installation take?
[02:15] <awb4422> dang i've installed almost every qt3 package for ubuntu...and echo $QTDIR doesn't bring anything up still
[02:16] <dcraven> geneo93, I doubt they need designer to build, but of course I could be mistaken.
[02:16] <Buddyo-> ubuntu :D
[02:16] <geneo93> serendipity:  about 3 gigs for standard install
[02:16] <serendipity> thx
[02:17] <geneo93> dcraven:  yes it has libs it need for compiling
[02:17] <dcraven> awb4422, you could always set it yourself if need be (using export).
[02:17] <serendipity> 433 ppl and no ops ;D
[02:17] <dcraven> geneo93, well that's just weird.
[02:18] <george_> hey everyone
[02:18] <dcraven> serendipity, there were 500+ earlier today. I was suprised.
[02:18] <geneo93> well one app is for chat and file sharing dcraven
[02:18] <george_> hey anyone know why my sound isnt working?
[02:18] <george_> i have a toshiba satellite
[02:18] <goldfish> laptop?
[02:18] <george_> yep
[02:18] <goldfish> emm
[02:19] <serendipity> ac97?
[02:19] <goldfish> i had to add some boot parameters to get my sound working
[02:19] <george_> uhh let me check
[02:19] <awb4422> dcraven - is that by export PATH QTDIR="/usr/share/qt3"
[02:19] <dcraven> george_, try running alsamixer and make sure that no channels are muted and that PCM is turned up.
[02:19] <awb4422> in /etc/profile?
[02:19] <dazed|> where is the menu config file for gnome?
[02:19] <dcraven> awb4422, minus the PATH part.
[02:19] <george_> how do i get into alas mixer?
[02:20] <stack> is anyone else experiencing full lockups from visiting certain sites in firefox and mozilla?
[02:20] <goldfish> george_: run it from command line
[02:20] <george_> im in alas mixer
[02:20] <goldfish> george_: alsamixer
[02:20] <dcraven> george_, in a terminal, type "alsamixer" minus the quotes.
[02:20] <goldfish> oh
[02:21] <dcraven> stack, I did once earlier this week, but I'm not sure what site it was now... I didn't pay attention.
[02:21] <dazed|> anyone?
[02:21] <awb4422> dcraven - is there something I need to do to update /etc/profile to register with something to notice the changes?
[02:21] <george_> ok heres what my alsa mixer shows
[02:21] <stack> dcraven, i;m getting it from an ant.apache.org site, i believe the ant beta cvs view
[02:21] <george_> y33_ is now kno
[02:21] <dazed|> where is the menu config file for gnome?
[02:21] <dcraven> dazed|, I don't think there is one for gnome 2.10.. You need to use a 3rd party app. There is one in the forums.
[02:21] <crimsun> george_: what model satellite?
[02:21] <george_> one sec
[02:22] <george_> Card: Intel 82801DB-ICH4                                                      Chip: Realtek ALC250 rev 2                                                    View: Playback                                                                Item: Master
[02:22] <stack> dcraven: this is the one im crashing on: http://cvs.apache.org/dist/ant/v1.6.3beta1
[02:22] <george_> and its a sattelite m35x-s309
[02:22] <dazed|> how can i find where the icons are located for specific apps?
[02:23] <dcraven> awb4422, there probably is a better way, but you could always source it.
[02:23] <geneo93> dcraven:  if you would like to try this app its on cvs under unizone
[02:23] <george_> crimsun u get that?
[02:23] <crimsun> george_: yep
[02:23] <dcraven> stack, I am able to view that URL.
[02:23] <crimsun> george_: did you say you're using Hoary or Warty?
[02:24] <dcraven> geneo93, I'm not much of a qt guy anymore :)
[02:24] <george_> crimsun: hoary
[02:24] <stack> dcraven: my computer completely locks when I go there... http://live.gnome.org/Luminocity does it too
[02:24] <jono> hi all
[02:24] <crimsun> george_: lsmod output onto pastebin.com, please
[02:24] <dazed|> anyone know how can i find where the icons are located for specific apps?
[02:24] <geneo93> dcraven:  it uses muscled server
[02:24] <george_> crimsun: what is that?
[02:25] <kbrooks> o f it
[02:25] <dcraven> stack, I wonder what that is... I don't see anything too fancy on those sites.
[02:25] <kbrooks> i need the kde control center. everything in it. package?
[02:25] <crimsun> george_: type ,,lsmod'' (without the quotes) and paste the output onto http://pastebin.com
[02:25] <kbrooks> i need the kde control center. everything in it. package?
[02:25] <Riddell> kbrooks: kcontrol!
[02:25] <kbrooks> k
[02:26] <george_> crimsun: it went to fast to read and exited
[02:26] <stack> dcraven: it doesn't even load the page, i just get a title in the title bar, and then lock!  I get mouse movement, but nothing interacts and i cant switch to consoles either
[02:26] <dcraven> kbrooks, kcontrol
[02:26] <crimsun> george_: open a terminal.
[02:26] <dcraven> err.. little late :)
[02:26] <george_> crimsun: got it
[02:27] <george_> ok ill paste
[02:27] <stack> dcraven: i think im going to ssh into this box and force it again, to see what happens
[02:27] <dcraven> stack, that's weird.
[02:27] <george_> crimsun: now what do i do
[02:27] <george_> crimusn: i posted it
[02:28] <CrashTECH> the drivers that fail to load during boot up are shpchp.ko and pcichp.ko it says the operation is not permitted
[02:29] <diego> CrashTECH: those can safely be ignored
[02:29] <CrashTECH> i think that is why my wlan isnt working tho
[02:29] <george_> crimsun: uu there?
[02:29] <diego> CrashTECH: it's not
[02:30] <diego> CrashTECH: add those to /etc/hotplug/blacklist if you don't want them to here them complain. it's a common error
[02:30] <crimsun> george_: please be patient
[02:30] <george_> crimsun: ok
[02:30] <CrashTECH> when I do ndiswrapper -l it says "linksys hardware not present" but the card is plugged in
[02:31] <crimsun> george_: please paste the output of amixer onto pastebin
[02:31] <george_> sure
[02:31] <occy> crimsun: any faster mirrors I can use.  This one is slooooow:   14% [88 kaddressbook 1133124/2062kB 54%]                       19.8kB/s 5h23m16s
[02:32] <occy> crimsun: I'd want to use an official mirror (if there is such a thing)
[02:32] <george_> crimsun: posted
[02:33] <Gavrila> hi
[02:33] <dazed|> anyone know how can i find where the icons are located for specific apps?
[02:33] <Gavrila> is there any ubuntu installer with 2.6.11
[02:33] <Gavrila> ?
[02:33] <serendipity> i got a stupid q
[02:33] <occy> serendipity: so ask it.
[02:33] <tritium> dazed|, dpkg -L <app>
[02:33] <geneo93> george_:  you should have gotten url to paste here though
[02:34] <serendipity> p 2 is i386 correct? what procs r i686?
[02:34] <george_> http://www.pastebin.com/268192
[02:34] <occy> serendipity: yah
[02:34] <george_> crimsun:sorry
[02:34] <geneo93> p2 is 686
[02:34] <occy> serendipity: pentium* is i386
[02:34] <occy> well
[02:34] <occy> technically it's 686
[02:34] <QMario> How do I put Windows printer drivers into the /var/lib/samba/printers file?
[02:35] <serendipity> will a i686 distro run on a p2 then?
[02:35] <geneo93> occy:  pentium is 586
[02:35] <Gavrila> I don't think s
[02:35] <geneo93> serendipity:  yes
[02:35] <crimsun> occy: there are a number of different country-based mirrors
[02:35] <uphu> Oh this is crowded, to crowded to ask a question and get a response?
[02:35] <occy> crimsun: got a url handy?
[02:35] <george_> serendipity: it should have a i386 version
[02:35] <occy> crimsun: something that lists them?
[02:35] <Gavrila> anyway nobody answered my only ubuntu question
[02:35] <QMario> How do I put Windows printer drivers into the /var/lib/samba/printers file?
[02:35] <Gavrila> is there any installer with 2.6.11???
[02:36] <BFC> is 5.04 final coming today? (thought thats what it said in the slashdot interview)
[02:36] <uphu> It's safe to run i386 on an AMD64 right?
[02:36] <tritium> BFC, Friday
[02:36] <Gavrila> uphu: yes
[02:36] <CrashTECH> I have these 2 messages: PCI: Cannotallocate resource region 0 of device 0000:00:14.0 and the same thing for region 4 if 14.1
[02:36] <uphu> thanks
[02:36] <serendipity> i feel bad asking about a different distro on here ;X
[02:36] <george_> Gavrila: Yes, after u burn the iso boot it and look
[02:36] <BFC> tritium: thanx
[02:36] <diego> QMario: please don't repeat yourself. there are already 431 others in here, this channel doesn't need more traffic
[02:36] <george_> Gavrila: Its sorta like DOS
[02:37] <Gavrila> george_: what are u talkin about?
[02:37] <occy> crimsun: don't see them on the site... (not anything that would indicate what I'd need to put in my /etc/apt/sources.list that is.
[02:37] <crimsun> occy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive
[02:37] <george_> Gavrila: you askeda bout an installer is it one to actually install the OS or programs
[02:37] <occy> (and bookmarks)
[02:38] <Gavrila> george_: if u read more carefully, I asked for an ubuntu installer based on a 2.6.11 kernel
[02:38] <uphu> Ok, you know in the ubuntu installer?  Ok nevermind, well I did all of it up to the point where it asks for the resolution I want.  I check all the ones my monitor can handle, but then once I get to the end of the installer my screen is showing all these funky colors like it's trying to display a resolution that it can't.  I'm suppose to check the resultions my monitor can handle, right?  Or is it the other way around?
[02:38] <crimsun> george_: mute the External Amplifier
[02:38] <george_> Gavrila: i believe the rc is 2.6.11
[02:38] <rob_> crimsun: doesn't work in the chroot either
[02:39] <Gavrila> no it's not
[02:39] <Gavrila> it's 2.6.10-5
[02:39] <george_> crimsun: how?
[02:39] <FirefoxKal-linux> can I update from 5.04 RC to 5.04 Final?
[02:39] <tritium> FirefoxKal-linux, sure
[02:39] <FirefoxKal-linux> :)
[02:39] <Gavrila> FirefoxKal-linux:  sure apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade :)
[02:39] <FirefoxKal-linux> when is 5.04 come out?
[02:39] <crimsun> george_: amixer sset 'External Amplifier' off
[02:39] <tritium> Friday
[02:39] <stack> so, http://cvs.apache.org/dist/ant/v1.6.3beta1 makes my X server go to 100% CPU, this is the latest hoary by the way
[02:39] <diego> what's the command to erase a cd-rw? graveman (on hoary) is failing and just giving me a generic error message
[02:40] <stack> any ideas on what's causing this?
[02:40] <uphu> no one knows? aw, crud ball...
[02:40] <FirefoxKal-linux> anyone got a CD from Ubuntu? i wanna know what the CD looks like
[02:40] <rob_> FirefoxKal-linux: I've got two
[02:40] <george_> crimsun: still nothing
[02:41] <rob_> FirefoxKal-linux: they're nice... google for it
[02:41] <rob_> http://images.google.com/images?q=ubuntu%20cd&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=wi
[02:41] <rob_> many results
[02:41] <FirefoxKal-linux> I can say this disto of linux is getting like OSX :)
[02:41] <phlaegel> anybody using perl plugins in gaim? does gaim in hoary support them?
[02:41] <george_> order one
[02:41] <george_> shipit is free!
[02:42] <dazed|> tritium: i did that dpkg -L <app> and its not bringing up icon files
[02:42] <tritium> dazed|, it lists all files in the package, not just the icon (if there's one)
[02:42] <FirefoxKal-linux> :)
[02:42] <FirefoxKal-linux> i will send my AOL cds back to shipit
[02:42] <FirefoxKal-linux> :D
[02:42] <rob_> worked now crimsun
[02:42] <rob_> :)
[02:43] <EricNeon> morning all ~
[02:43] <george_> crimsun: still nothing man
[02:43] <akk> phlaegel: I have one that wasn't working, but I just discovered I didn't have sox installed.  I think the perl plugin part is working.
[02:43] <occy> :/  This mirror isn't that fast either.
[02:43] <occy> heh
[02:44] <rob_> bye!
[02:44] <phlaegel> akk: hm. I can't even get them to show up in the prefs list
[02:44] <uphu> In the ubuntu installer I get to the point where it asks for the resolution stuff.  i know this is a stupid question but what do I do?!
[02:45] <uphu> Do I check off the one's my monitor can handle? or the one's it can't?
[02:45] <diego> uphu: make sure the ones you want are selected
[02:45] <uphu> I did that
[02:45] <diego> then proceed.
[02:45] <uphu> but then it won't display it
[02:45] <thundrcleeze> not necessarily the ones it can use, just the ones you want it to use
[02:46] <syn1> i cant find xfce in the apt-get
[02:46] <syn1> what repos do i need
[02:46] <akk> phlaegel: Oh, hmm, just realized I'm running an xchat I built myself anyway, so I'm not a good test case.
[02:46] <uphu> Well my monitor can do 1280 x 1024.  It can do 1024 x 768 but when I do that... and it boots... the screen is all multicolored
[02:46] <occy> do you have to escape .  in sed?
[02:46] <occy> and : ?
[02:46] <occy> or just the /'s
[02:46] <diego> uphu: multiple colors? oh no!
[02:46] <crimsun> syn1: it's called 'xfce4'
[02:47] <crimsun> syn1: and it's in universe
[02:47] <uphu> you talking to me?
[02:47] <george_> crimsun: anyother suggestions?
[02:47] <crimsun> george_: I'm looking
[02:48] <occy> :%s/http:\/\/mirror\.clarkson\.edu\/pub\/distributions\/ubuntu/http:\/\/ftp\.ale\.org/pub\/mirrors\/ubuntu\//g
[02:48] <uphu> I mean the multicolors looks like it's displaying something which it can't handle
[02:48] <occy> hmm
[02:48] <syn1> crimsun: E: Couldn't find package xfce4
[02:48] <george_> crimsun: ok sweet thanks
[02:48] <uphu> but normally my monitor prints "out of bounds" if it is
[02:48] <crimsun> syn1: enable universe
[02:48] <Mestapheles> dcraven: I finished upgrading sid to hoary.  There was not much software to upgrade from sid to hoary, or sarge to sid for that case.  I did do a server upgrade though
[02:48] <knucks> anyone here have problems printing? Ubuntu seems to recognize the printer but doesnt want to print
[02:49] <Mestapheles> try differeent drivers
[02:49] <knucks> this worked on the old version..
[02:49] <Xeon3D> how can I limit the speed of apt-get ?
[02:49] <regeya_> a little underwhelmed by the gimpshop announcement
[02:49] <Mestapheles> in gnome highlight the printer icon, right click properties
[02:50] <crimsun> george_: what jack is it plugged into?
[02:50] <knucks> on the previous hoary update
[02:50] <Mestapheles> and select a diff driver from one of the tab
[02:50] <Mestapheles> s
[02:50] <george_> crimsun: it is integrated as far as i know
[02:50] <uphu> question: I finished installing the distro but there is nothing on the screen when I boot.
[02:51] <crimsun> george_: no, your output (speakers/headphones)
[02:51] <knucks> doesnt want to print
[02:51] <syn1> who's Christian Marillat
[02:51] <zenrox> uphu try doing a alt+ctrl+f1-6
[02:51] <syn1> ?
[02:52] <Mestapheles> there is more than one driver for most printers, and they don't always work from on version to another or one distro to another
[02:52] <george_> speakers
[02:52] <george_> crimsun:speakers
[02:52] <george_> crimsun: laptop speackers
[02:52] <uphu> zenrox: uphu try doing a alt+ctrl+f1-6:  Are you kidding or being serious?
[02:52] <adobbie> syn1: Debian devel
[02:52] <uphu> I never heard of that combo
[02:53] <knucks> hm wow it doest even recognize it now
[02:53] <knucks> bah
[02:53] <adobbie> syn1: he also packages things like lame and mplayer
[02:53] <syn1> adobbie: high in the food chain or ?
[02:53] <zenrox> uphu, that will get you to a console login so you can fix drivers for your vidcard
[02:53] <adobbie> syn1: think he does gnome stuff but I can check for you
[02:53] <crimsun> george_: toggle whatever setting 'PCM Out Path & Mute' is using alsamixer
[02:53] <uphu> Oh!!
[02:53] <uphu> That might be it!
[02:53] <Sauron21> Hi...I was wondering if anyone could tell me why apt-get gives me this idiotic message when I try to install a .deb file...."E: Couldn't find package ~~~~.deb" ??
[02:53] <uphu> See, it's plugged into my video card right now
[02:53] <occy> is it always slow doing apt-get update  ?
[02:53] <uphu> maybe if I plug it into my mobo
[02:53] <occy> no matter your mirror?
[02:53] <uphu> I dunno
[02:54] <occy> only getting 11k/sec
[02:54] <occy> should be getting 400k/sec
[02:54] <occy> heh
[02:54] <zenrox> uphu,  is it a nvidia card
[02:54] <uphu> yes
[02:54] <george_> crimsun: dude im a newb sorry to be sorta helpless but a little more detail
[02:54] <uphu> oh boy, is this a common problem?
[02:54] <zenrox> ask in #nvidia uphu
[02:54] <uphu> ok
[02:54] <occy> zendog: heyaz
[02:54] <crimsun> occy: please consider what time it is
[02:54] <complxor> after i set up bluetooth on my comp i can't send files throught nautilus because the send to button doesn't appear can somone help me?
[02:55] <Xeon3D> does anyone know how to limit apt-get's download speed...
[02:55] <occy> crimsun: time to get ill?
[02:55] <occy> crimsun: ;)
[02:55] <crimsun> occy: it's barely one day before release, there's a lot of syncing occurring
[02:55] <dazed|> tritium: for example i know GAIM has an icon...but it did not list it.. :(
[02:55] <Xeon3D> Sauron21,  use dpkg -i file.deb
[02:55] <occy> crimsun: ahhh
[02:55] <occy> crimsun: did not know that.
[02:55] <uphu> but, I selected all resolutions that my monitor can handle, thanks for the help though
[02:55] <george_> crimsun: i muted the pcm
[02:55] <occy> zenrox: err hey :)
[02:56] <ubuntu> hi! Wow, this is the first time I've used IRC X Chat
[02:56] <tritium> dazed|, it's in gaim-data
[02:56] <occy> ubuntu:  /nick foo
[02:56] <crimsun> george_: I think you'll want to be able to hear sounds ;)
[02:56] <thundrcleeze> I'm getting an error of "no screens found" after I updated, and X won't start.
[02:56] <Sauron21> it worked.....atleast I think it did...
[02:56] <Sauron21> hehe....
[02:56] <crimsun> george_: so muting PCM might not be the smartest choice ;)
[02:56] <george_> crimsun: lol id think so
[02:56] <spades> complxor: you install gnome-bluetooth?
[02:56] <george_> crimsun: ok what should i do lol
[02:57] <ubuntu> can anybody tell me if I can use my floppy drive if I'm using the Live CD or not?
[02:57] <ubuntu> I heard I have to change fstab
[02:57] <syn1> will xfce run smoother/faster than gnome on a P3 600Mhz 128MB laptop?
[02:57] <thundrcleeze> you should be able to, Ubuntu
[02:57] <zenrox> hay occy
[02:57] <Blissex> syn1: yes.
[02:57] <zenrox> how it going
[02:57] <crimsun> george_: use alsamixer to toggle that setting
[02:57] <complxor> yea
[02:57] <Sauron21> thx Xeon3D....it worked...:D
[02:57] <complxor> spades, yea i did
[02:57] <tritium> dazed|, most are in /usr/share/pixmaps
[02:58] <occy> zenrox: never did get that silly phone thing working.
[02:58] <george_> crimsun: to toggle my pcm out?
[02:58] <zenrox> lol
[02:58] <syn1> Blissex: thanks
[02:58] <zenrox> occy join #ubuntuforums
[02:58] <dazed|> well i pointed my menu generator to that folder but it didnt pickup a few of em so im looking for specific ones
[02:58] <ubuntu> but when I try to mount it says fd0 doesn't exist
[02:58] <syn1> well, the moment of truth
[02:58] <Blissex> syn1: GNOME is notoriously a bit heavy on small machines, especially if you dont disable a lot of the cool features. Nautilus is also particularly heavy.
[02:59] <tritium> ubuntu, perhaps the floppy module is not loaded?  lsmod | grep floppy
[02:59] <dazed|> ok i found em tritium but i need to convert .png to .xpm are there any specific apps that can do that
[02:59] <idn_1> hi, anyone having trouble with gnome bit torrent, basically there are no errors but its not downloading
[02:59] <idn_1> btw bt works in windows
[02:59] <tritium> dazed|, imagemagick can do that easily
[02:59] <ubuntu> let me see
[02:59] <Blissex> synic: XFCE is good though. But also try disabling all the cool GUI things, like animations, antialiasing, backgrounds, ...
[02:59] <crimsun> george_: no, your 'PCM Out Path & Mute'
[02:59] <tritium> dazed|, the program is called "convert" (part of imagemagick)
[03:00] <sophie_msumu> tritium: hello any e16 user out there ?
[03:00] <dazed|> sooo i dooo need that huh lol
[03:00] <tritium> sophie_msumu, hi
[03:00] <george_> crimsun: i have 2 optins post 3d or pre 3d
[03:00] <fallstorm> idn_1, are you on a router or something?
[03:00] <ubuntu> OK, I used the command you said tritium and it shows this:floppy                 54864  0
[03:01] <idn_1> yeah i am, but its not the router i think
[03:01] <idn_1> because it works ok in winxp
[03:01] <flodine> is there a ubuntu release soon
[03:01] <kbrooks> can i ping the chan? ping
[03:01] <kbrooks> flodine, certainly
[03:01] <kbrooks> friday afaik
[03:01] <^thehatsrule^> ping? pong!
[03:01] <fallstorm> BT requires certain ports to be open because it links your download to your upload... if the router isn't forwarding those ports to your Ubuntu machine, BT either won't download or will download extremely slowly
[03:01] <tritium> ubuntu, okay, then the module is in fact loaded
[03:02] <fallstorm> Try setting your router's DMZ IP adress (or the router's option for "Send everything to this IP") to your Ubuntu IP
[03:02] <idn_1> ok
[03:03] <ubuntu> OK. I'm pretty new to linux and didn't get exactly what you want me to do fallstorm
[03:03] <thundrcleeze> what's the command to reconfigure x.org's display?
[03:03] <fallstorm> ubuntu, huh?
[03:04] <george_> crimsun: neither options seem to make a difference
[03:04] <CarlK> thundrcleeze - xorgcfg or xorgconfig ?
[03:04] <ubuntu> I don't know what you mean by setting my router's DMZ...
[03:04] <complxor> anyone has any idea on why the send to bluetooth isn't appearing on my context menu?
[03:05] <tritium> thundrcleeze, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:05] <Marble2> How come when I go to System -> Lock Screen, it doesn't lock my screen
[03:05] <thundrcleeze> tritium, it doesn't seem to be a command.
[03:06] <tritium> thundrcleeze, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:07] <george_> crimsun: i ahve to go soon if you find any additional info please email me at skaterkid1212@sbcglobal dot net
[03:07] <synd> hoorah
[03:07] <george_> lol
[03:08] <synd> george_: .net too much?
[03:08] <thundrcleeze> he's thinking this is usenet :)
[03:08] <george_> synd: worried about email scourers
[03:08] <synd> george_: good point
[03:08] <george_> what none of those on IRC?
[03:09] <cef> must admit, I'm quite happy that this dual AMD64 server I have here is running ubuntu (hoary)
[03:09] <synd> cef: nice, isnt it?
[03:09] <kbrooks> i want to import a key
[03:09] <cef> now, if only the winbind package was in main... *sigh*
[03:09] <thundrcleeze> eh, I always give out it in a /msg.  Of course, this channel does have 400 people in it.
[03:09] <synd> wow xfce is so much better for low end laptops
[03:09] <cef> synd: well I'm running quite a few ubuntu boxes, but the amd64 is the only one running as any sort of server
[03:09] <george_> crimsun: got my email?
[03:10] <spades> complxor: you can use command line: gnome-obex-send filename
[03:10] <synd> cef: i see
[03:10] <george_> someone pass on my email to crimsun
[03:11] <george_> PEACE OUT
[03:11] <synd> is there any way to login from one ubuntu computer to another on the same LAN..?
[03:11] <cef> synd: just find it annoying that while samba is in main, winbind (which is really part of any samba install where you've got a Windows domain on a Windows PC) isn't. *sigh*
[03:11] <Sumido> synd: y xfce is great for that. I'm looking for the new xffm though . . .
[03:11] <tritium> synd, ssh (you need to install openssh-server on the one you want to login to)
[03:11] <synd> with the ability to see and control the desktop on that computer?
[03:12] <thundrcleeze> are there any "easy to use" terminal irc programs?
[03:12] <synd> thundrcleeze: i dont think easy and terminal should be in the same sentance
[03:12] <synd> sentence
[03:12] <paul__> easy and irc probably shouln't either
[03:13] <paul__> +d
[03:13] <tritium> thundrcleeze, irssi
[03:13] <sophie_msumu> synd: you do use xfce for real ?
[03:13] <synd> tritium: with the ability to see and control the desktop on that computer?
[03:13] <thundrcleeze> thanks, tritium
[03:13] <synd> sophie_msumu: i'm on it right now.
[03:13] <mlambie> synd: check out xnest, rdesktop (the terminal server client) and enabling XDMCP on the target machine (through the GDM login configuration)
[03:13] <tritium> synd, no
[03:13] <flodine> is ubuntu 5.04 buggy?
[03:13] <Jamminpotato_> flodine, no
[03:14] <kbrooks> no bugs anymore
[03:14] <thundrcleeze> tritium, do you know offhand where to get the program?  It's not in any of the repositories I have, but it's referred to.
[03:14] <uph1> so anyway, I tried that.  I boot into ubunto, everything on the screen is scrammbled.  I do ctrl-alt-f1, everything in the prompt is scrammbled.  What is this?
[03:14] <mlambie> synd, tritium: I use x11vnc to control the *actual* desktop displayed on a remote machine
[03:14] <synd> mlambie: is it easy to set up?
[03:15] <Jamminpotato_> uph1, sounds liek a video problem
[03:15] <tritium> thundrcleeze, apt-cache search irssi should find it (irssi-text, for example)
[03:15] <paul__> sounds like a monitor refresh problem
[03:15] <uph1> yes but how do I fix it :)
[03:16] <uph1> I kinda know what the problem is already
[03:16] <zenrox> uph1, tell your bios to load thegf card first
[03:16] <zenrox> or disabe the onboard one
[03:16] <zenrox> disable
[03:17] <uph1> Yea, the thing about that is I never figured out how to disable it because I could never find it in bios
[03:17] <mlambie> synd: you need to add x11vnc to the session in GNOME, but the x11vnc website shows you how, and there's ubuntu packages
[03:17] <synd> mlambie: alright, ill check that out
[03:17] <uph1> However, I did try booting with my onboard and nothing appeared on the screen.  Makes me think it is disabled (I forget how I did it though)
[03:18] <zenrox> uph1, dig out your mobo manual
[03:18] <uph1> My mobo manuel is squat
[03:19] <Jamminpotato_> uph1, on some mobos its a jumper
[03:19] <uph1> jumper?
[03:19] <Jamminpotato_> to enable onboard or not
[03:19] <mlambie> synd: I then setup a password in ~/.vnc/passwd using vncpasswd on my laptop. i added an icon that links to "/usr/bin/vncviewer -passwd /home/mlambie/.vnc/passwd duke:0" where duke is my server, and :0 is the display
[03:19] <uph1> What do you mean jumper?
[03:20] <montana_> uphl: cable you have to adjust on your mobo under different circumstances (bus speed, etc)
[03:20] <synd> mlambie: ah... i see
[03:20] <mlambie> synd: i click that and it brings up the VNC session without asking for a password. note though it only seems to like one single session at a time, and x11vnc has crashed on me a few times after about two weeks.
[03:21] <uph1> you guys are making this too hard.  So if I just disable the onboard you think that will fix it?  Why would the onboard be effecting it anyway?
[03:21] <mlambie> that's no problem because this machine is on a home lan raping bit torrents, so a reboot isn't anything i can't live with every few weeks or so.
[03:21] <mlambie> and that's only been once or twice; it's farily stable. ssh etc will still respond, just vnc is dead
[03:22] <synd> mlambie: oh ok. well i just wanna have it to be able to check my Gaim running on a computer in my room while im at other places in the house working on other ubuntu computers
[03:22] <mlambie> can yo unot be logged in on all the computesr with GAIM? will it log you out when you log in elsewhere?
[03:23] <synd> mlambie: yes, but you cant check what messages were left on the other computer
[03:23] <mlambie> ofcourse
[03:23] <synd> and thats what i wanna do..
[03:24] <billy`> When I minimize my my programs, then arent showing up in my menu bar, does anyone know what may cause this?
[03:25] <synd> another unrelated thing.. when I use xfce or KDE my wireless connection (using ndiswrapper) works fine and continuously, but when i use gnome.. it drops seemingly randomly.. ive used xfce for the past week straight without a single drop.
[03:25] <billy`> alright, thanks guys!
[03:25] <synd> does the ability to keep the wireless connection have to do with the type desktop i have running?
[03:27] <pauliukas> How can I install Skype on Ubuntu?
[03:28] <montana_> Question, what is Skype? I installed at but when I run it it does nothing.
[03:28] <pauliukas> If I do with the .deb file, I always get an error message saying that "the program cannot be displayed"
[03:28] <pauliukas> montana_, The world's most popular voice chatting client www.skype.com :-)
[03:28] <merlin__> Is this is a known problem with the multiuniverse release file?
[03:28] <merlin__> Failed to fetch file:/auto/corpsoftware/ubuntu/dists/hoary/Release  Unable to find expected entry  multiuniverse/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[03:29] <montana_> okay, how do i whisper? i can tell you how to get skype if you want
[03:29] <pauliukas> montana_, Go ahead.
[03:29] <montana_> make sure you have universal repositories first. then $ sudo apt-get install libqt3c102-mt
[03:29] <synd> montana_: /msg <nick>
[03:30] <synd> montana_: or /query <nick>
[03:32] <pauliukas> This is the error message that I get: http://img171.exs.cx/img171/395/screenshot4zr.png
[03:32] <synd> american idol is the worst show ever
[03:34] <synd> pauliukas: you gotta dpkg -i <.deb file here>
[03:34] <pauliukas> synd, Thanks
[03:35] <liberie_> Hello
[03:35] <synd> pauliukas: ps, i like the OSX background
[03:35] <pauliukas> synd, I'm a mac-wanabee
[03:35] <liberie_> anyone here know if ubuntu support more than 4GB of ram (any special kernel ?)
[03:35] <pauliukas> Costs too much for my budget, right now
[03:36] <synd> pauliukas: seen the new Mac Mini?
[03:36] <synd> pauliukas: im a mac freak
[03:36] <pauliukas> synd, Yeah... but still
[03:36] <pauliukas> It's like steve jobs saying that it's ONLY 620$ canadian!
[03:36] <synd> pauliukas: haha. understandable
[03:36] <MrRagga> hi, is it a known problem, that ubuntu does not find the partition table when installing in vmware?
[03:36] <pauliukas> While I can get the best rig for 1400 here!
[03:37] <pauliukas> Also. While I'm here...
[03:37] <pauliukas> How can I disable the evolution-data-server taking up 30mb of my RAM?
[03:38] <synd> pauliukas: true. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/pmartin245/DSCN0553.jpg & http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/pmartin245/DSCN0554.jpg
[03:38] <pauliukas> I'll be glad to use another email client as long as I canf ree up that RAM
[03:38] <pauliukas> synd, Show off...
[03:38] <synd> pauliukas: why not just uninstall it?
[03:39] <pauliukas> synd, apt-cache uninstall?
[03:39] <pauliukas> Or how do I proceed?
[03:39] <geneo93> pauliukas:  apt-get remove (app)
[03:40] <pauliukas> geneo93, Ah. thanks
[03:40] <synd> pauliukas: or, you can mark for removal in synaptic
[03:40] <pauliukas> synd, What's that?
[03:40] <MrRagga> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=15308 ;) <-- seems to solve my problem with vmware ;)
[03:41] <pauliukas> Can anyone tell me when will the 3D accelerated X is gonna come out?
[03:41] <synd> a GUI package manager, basically apt-get type stuff
[03:41] <pauliukas> These "lagging" windows are killing me!
[03:41] <pauliukas> synd, Where can I find it?
[03:42] <^thehatsrule^> lol... its fast for me :P
[03:42] <EricNeon> jdub, mailing list is ok?
[03:42] <synd> load up root terminal
[03:42] <synd> type synaptic
[03:42] <pauliukas> ohhh. ammazing!
[03:42] <^thehatsrule^> lol... its in the gnome menu too
[03:42] <complxor> i burnt the ubuntu disc in my computer, now i am trying to install it on my dad's laptop but i get checksum error
[03:42] <pauliukas> muahhahahah! Uninstallation spree!
[03:42] <complxor> anyone knows what might be wrong?
[03:43] <hyphenated> complxor: does it work on your computer?
[03:43] <complxor> yea
[03:43] <complxor> i installed ubuntu with that disc
[03:43] <geneo93> check the md5sum of iso
[03:43] <complxor> and i recieve the same error with the fedora core 3 boot disk
[03:43] <daniels> A mix-up that led to a stillborn baby being sent away and washed with dirty linen would not happen again, a Melbourne hospital said today.
[03:43] <daniels> A Melbourne newspaper reported today that the stillborn foetus, delivered at the Royal Women's Hospital, was accidentally placed in the hospital laundry system.
[03:43] <daniels> sorry, stupid mouse
[03:43] <synd> pauliukas: you can click on Status and see what you have installed
[03:43] <hyphenated> it could be that the drive on your dad's laptop is more fussy about the media than the one on your machine
[03:43] <goldfish> what login manager does ubuntu use?
[03:43] <pauliukas> uhhh
[03:44] <complxor> so do you have any recommendation?
[03:44] <hyphenated> goldfish: the gnome one
[03:44] <goldfish> k
[03:44] <pauliukas> If I uninstall Evolution, it says that "ubuntu-dekstop" will be also uninstalled?
[03:44] <goldfish> thanks
[03:44] <geneo93> complxor:  it take about 128 mb of ram for install files
[03:44] <smouche> complxor, I found I could only get a good disk if I burned at the slowest possible speed.
[03:44] <pauliukas> So does this means that Evolution is equivalent to IE on Windows?
[03:44] <complxor> but i don't have the iso anymore so i can't burn it
[03:45] <smouche> pauliukas, no I think that's just a metapackage
[03:45] <synd> pauliukas: youre fine
[03:45] <pauliukas> smouche, synd, So it's safe to delete ubuntu-dekstop?
[03:45] <synd> pauliukas: evolution is a whole suite..
[03:45] <geneo93> yes
[03:45] <^thehatsrule^> lol...
[03:45] <smouche> I believe so pauliukas.
[03:46] <synd> yup
[03:46] <darkgamer20> has the offical 5.04 release been released becuase i haven't seen any news on it
[03:46] <darkgamer20> ???
[03:46] <pauliukas> Yeah. I don't want to end up with a computer without an OS!
[03:46] <synd> darkgamer20: no
[03:46] <synd> darkgamer20: this friday it will be
[03:46] <complxor> anyone can help me?
[03:46] <darkgamer20> synd: was it delayed?
[03:46] <synd> darkgamer20: believe so.
[03:46] <^thehatsrule^> download it?
[03:46] <geneo93> darkgamer20:  the 8th
[03:46] <smouche> pauliukas, get synaptic.  It's quite informative about various packages, and usually indicates which are metapackages that you can safely remove.
[03:46] <synd> darkgamer20: it was sposed be released today
[03:47] <synd> smouche: he's on synaptic
[03:47] <darkgamer20> synd: yea cause they said it would be released on the 6th today
[03:47] <hyphenated> complxor: no private messages please
[03:47] <complxor> sorry bro
[03:47] <complxor> well best thing i can do is burn disc again on slowest speeD?
[03:47] <darkgamer20> synd: dose it matter if i install today or on friday?
[03:47] <hyphenated> it's worth a try
[03:47] <pauliukas> still one prob...
[03:48] <pauliukas> If I remove evolution0data-server
[03:48] <smouche> It wouldn't hurt, complxor.
[03:48] <pauliukas> It wants to remove gnome
[03:48] <complxor> ok thanks
[03:48] <pauliukas> is thta a metathing also?
[03:48] <pauliukas> hehe
[03:48] <synd> darkgamer20: id just wait til friday
[03:48] <EricNeon> jdubare you here?
[03:48] <darkgamer20> synd: ok thanks
[03:48] <EricNeon> smurfix, are you here
[03:48] <darkgamer20> see ya
[03:48] <synd> pauliukas: weird
[03:49] <synd> pauliukas: maybe its best to just leave on there hmm
[03:49] <airmikey> anyone get mplayer or gdesklets running on amd64 ?
[03:49] <geneo93> pauliukas:  killall evolution
[03:49] <pauliukas> synd, But damn! 32 megs! That's worse than windows services!
[03:50] <synd> true
[03:50] <pauliukas> http://img34.exs.cx/img34/6310/screenshot11lf.png
[03:50] <synd> well its worth a try
[03:50] <airmikey> yes ,no maybe ,kinda ?
[03:50] <synd> lol
[03:50] <synd> you can always, reinstall ; )
[03:51] <pauliukas> yeah. Thanks
[03:51] <synd> haha, kidding.
[03:51] <pauliukas> Why do you think I came to Linux: reliability
[03:51] <pauliukas> I reinstall windows eevry year or so because of all the build ups!
[03:51] <synd> i know this.
[03:52] <geneo93> pauliukas:  if you dont want evolution install kubuntu
[03:52] <pauliukas> So you were always happy with the Evolution 32mb datacerver?
[03:52] <pauliukas> geneo93, I hate KDE...
[03:52] <pauliukas> I like Gnome for it's Mac OS X wanabee look
[03:52] <pussfeller> kontact is alot more functinal than evolution
[03:52] <synd> pauliukas: it dont look too much like osx :p
[03:52] <synd> i think xfce looks more like osx
[03:53] <geneo93> pauliukas:  you can get mac looks with kde as well
[03:53] <smouche> pauliukas, if you hate it you hate it, but I used to hate it to, and I have to say the new version of kde is incredibly better.
[03:53] <synd> at least it has a window theme of aqua
[03:53] <pauliukas> geneo93, I've used 2 years of KDE now... I didin't like it
[03:53] <pauliukas> It was buggy
[03:53] <pauliukas> it crashed when I wanted to move an icon
[03:53] <SirGrok> I have a problem: I was upgrading to 5.04 via apt-get dist-upgrade and my system crashed. Now I try to boot up and I can't start X11... I can get into the recovery mode (and I finieshed up apt-get dist-upgrade) but it still isn't booting... Any ideas.
[03:53] <pauliukas> all sorts of unexplainable things happened
[03:54] <synd> i dont like kde, it has a winxp feel
[03:54] <hyphenated> it has whatever feel you tell it to have
[03:54] <geneo93> pauliukas:  its you and only you then i used it for 6 years and never had problems
[03:54] <synd> well i dont wanna have to tell it anything
[03:54] <windexh8er> SirGrok:  Did you have nvidia drivers installed?
[03:54] <SirGrok> Yes I do.
[03:54] <Fackamato> SirGrok: Check the X log.
[03:55] <synd> anyone use fluxbox?
[03:55] <pauliukas> synd, So... How do I install XFCE :-)?
[03:55] <Lithi> Whens the next public / non preview release of Ubuntu? 14th?
[03:55] <geneo93> me
[03:55] <SirGrok> Fackamato: I am somewhat of a linux n00b.... I have only been on it for about 6 months. Is it /etc/X11/ somewhere?
[03:55] <synd> pauliukas: apt-get install xfce4
[03:55] <windexh8er> SirGrok, then more than likely your kernel got bumped and nvidia.ko is still in your old modules directory...
[03:55] <pauliukas> synd, Excellent. Muahhahahahah!
[03:55] <smouche> I never understand why people say that, synd.  If anything, gnome seems more windowish to me, because it's harder for me to get it to do what I want.  Kde lets me make my setup vastly different-seeming from windowsXP...
[03:55] <SirGrok> windexh8er: How would I fix taht problem?
[03:56] <geneo93> reboot
[03:56] <Arnia> hyphenated: You can't alter some things I view as quite important... button order, HIG, typography (for some reason KDE's text layout engine positions the text very very tightly and it bothers me)
[03:56] <windexh8er> SirGrok, seemingly you could try to remove the old install from apt (of nvidia-glx, or whatever) and then reinstall, and reboot...
[03:56] <pauliukas> synd, root@paulius:/home/paulius # apt-get install xfce4
[03:56] <pauliukas> Reading Package Lists... Done
[03:56] <pauliukas> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[03:56] <pauliukas> E: Couldn't find package xfce4
[03:56] <pauliukas> root@paulius:/home/paulius #
[03:57] <smouche> But I'm not too happy with either gnome or kde right now; gnome crashes my panels constantly, kde crashes the file browser.
[03:57] <synd> smouche: try xfce?
[03:57] <windexh8er> SirGrok, it's easier to just install the Nvidia drivers from the package Nvidia puts out.  Ubuntu doesn't handle new kernels and those types of modules well...
[03:57] <synd> pauliukas: you need the repos
[03:57] <SirGrok> windexh8er: I will try that... What is the command apt-get purge nvidia-glx ?
[03:57] <pauliukas> synd, ....
[03:57] <complxor> is there a way to skip the checksum check
[03:57] <complxor> ?
[03:57] <pauliukas> synd,
[03:57] <smouche> xfce4 with rox-filer is probably what I'll settle on, synd.  It's very nice and very fast
[03:57] <resiak> pauliukas: Looks like you need universe
[03:57] <pauliukas> synd, What's that?
[03:57] <synd> pauliukas: one sec
[03:57] <pauliukas> synd, Okey-dokey
[03:58] <synd> pauliukas: http://ubuntuguide.org/temp/#extrarepositories
[03:58] <windexh8er> SirGrok, that should work...
[03:58] <SirGrok> I will try. Thanks a lot. Back in a flash.
[03:58] <windexh8er> K.  Good luck...
[03:59] <windexh8er> Arnia, because they have nothing better to do.  :)
[03:59] <Arnia> Just found out the spec of a machine my friend bought... I have to ask who needs 2 gigabyte ethernet cards
[03:59] <pauliukas> synd, I'll try that now
[03:59] <Arnia> *gigabit
[03:59] <synd> pauliukas: make sure you dont put the $
[03:59] <pussfeller> hds wont even write that fast
[03:59] <smouche> speed for what?  The only speed I care about is not having to see a damn cursor telling me what I already know- that I'm waiting!
[04:00] <cef> Arnia: I've got a machine here that has 2 gigabit cards and 1 100baseTX card in it.. all on board *sigh*
[04:00] <windexh8er> Yeah, but if you had a huge DB with a ton of RAM and you were doing a shitload of transaction Gb cards are a must...
[04:00] <Arnia> cef: These are add ons
[04:00] <Arnia> windexh8er: Yes, but he just wants it to play games and code
[04:00] <cef> the only real reason dual gigabit would be useful is for failover/redundacy
[04:01] <synd> smouche: whats rox-filer?
[04:01] <cef> or if it's a router (one in, one out)
[04:01] <windexh8er> Arnia, well then I guess he'll be ahead of the curve for a few years.  :)
[04:01] <SirGrok> windexh8er: It is telling me when I try to run apt-get purge nvidia-glx it tells me that purge isn't an option.
[04:01] <cycom> can I use debian apt sources for ubuntu?
[04:01] <Arnia> windexh8er: He just thinks its cool to have the fastest system he can get. He's the sort who will do a stage 1 gentoo with agressive optimisation to get a few clockcycles
[04:01] <pussfeller> roxfiler is a file manager
[04:01] <windexh8er> SirGrok, then just apt-get remove nvidia-glx
[04:01] <smouche> synd, it's just a file browser, beautifully designed and quick
[04:01] <cef> SirGrok: 'apt-get --purge remove'
[04:01] <synd> smouche: avail from apt-get?
[04:02] <pussfeller> i dont like the way it resizes, drives me nuts
[04:02] <smouche> synd, I'm not sure; probably in universe...
[04:02] <pauliukas> yay! Now I get a broken package error?
[04:02] <smouche> It works very well with xfce
[04:02] <cef> cycom: for usual packages no, for special repositories (ie: commercial packages), then you can, but be careful
[04:02] <pauliukas> Anyway of simply downloading the .deb file?
[04:02] <cycom> cef: ok
[04:02] <dur> was today the official release of 5.04?  Because I don't see it anywhere, just the RC
[04:02] <smouche> I use it in kde to, because I love the way it presents info.
[04:02] <^thehatsrule^> friday
[04:03] <pussfeller> what is ubuntu going to do abut the new java-openoffice meld
[04:03] <cycom> cef: I can't find kismet and stuff like that.  Does that just mean there aren't packages for it, or what?
[04:03] <flodine> anyone running 64bit here
[04:03] <flodine> holla
[04:03] <cef> cycom: try adding universe (see /etc/apt/sources.list)
[04:03] <cycom> oh, ok.
[04:03] <cef> flodine: dual AMD64's (amongst other things)
[04:03] <hawke> friday in what timezone?
[04:04] <smouche> synd, I'm not sure if it's called "rox-filer" or just rox, actually.  I think there's a whole distro put out called rox, using xfce and zero install...
[04:04] <pussfeller> did you get any noticable boost with amd64?
[04:04] <kbrooks> grrrr
[04:04] <cef> cycom: like debian has main, contrib and non-free, ubuntu has main restricted and universe
[04:04] <pussfeller> im thinking about getting a laptop with an amd64 in it
[04:04] <cef> cycom: and multiverse as well, but lets not go there yet
[04:05] <flodine> are there repository for 64 bit
[04:05] <christian_> I bought a amd64 last summer from compaq, its pretty nice.  Haven't tried 64 bit verison of linux yet htough
[04:05] <smouche> pussfeller, I have one.  I'm having problems with the cpu throttling, and things are sluggish.  But I'm an ignoramus, so your mileage might be better.
[04:05] <flodine> new ones
[04:05] <flodine> holla
[04:05] <cycom> cef: soucef: thank you
[04:05] <cycom> er...cef:
[04:05] <flodine> holla back
[04:05] <hawke> ^thehatsrule^: friday in what timezone?
[04:05] <pussfeller> smouche, i guess, at least on these gateway laptiops i was looking at, unless its plugged in, it caps itself at 700mz
[04:05] <smouche> I'm not using 64 bit kubuntu, because all this chmod stuff is still confusing to me...
[04:06] <Pluk> 64bit ubuntu is working just fine here :) i like it
[04:06] <pussfeller> i cant wait to get it so I can run linux on a modern machine
[04:07] <flodine> pluk do you have munine or mplayer installed
[04:07] <smouche> pussfeller, you're right, but even plugged in, I can't seem to change any settings; anyway, it's nowhere near as fast as when I'm using (32 bit) windows...
[04:07] <Pluk> dont notice a speed change though.. they  are both fast
[04:07] <pussfeller> this legacy equipment is starting to get old
[04:07] <HrdwrBoB> that's why they call it legacy
[04:07] <pussfeller> heh, that was a bit redundant
[04:07] <hawke> pussfeller: how legacy?
[04:07] <Pluk> yeah i have mplayer installed but cant play wmv cuz theyre 32bits only
[04:07] <smouche> but frankly, amd64 was an impulse buy for me, I'm a total flaming noob with all this.
[04:07] <pussfeller> p3, p2, and a k6
[04:07] <regeya> pussfeller, I'd love to put that in my .sig: "<pussfeller> this legacy equipment is starting to get old"
[04:08] <pussfeller> just leave out the <pussfeller> :)
[04:08] <regeya> heh
[04:08] <regeya> np
[04:08] <kbrooks> :)
[04:08] <regeya> thx
[04:08] <smouche> just how low can you go with ubuntu in terms of cpu and ram, I wonder?
[04:09] <hay> if u dont want a gui pretty low i'd imagine
[04:09] <pussfeller> it runs on my p2 400mz ok, but i got an nvidia in there and that gives it some boost i think
[04:09] <cef> cycom: no problem
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> smouche: you wouldn't want much lower than a P2 class machine
[04:09] <hawke> pussfeller: It works fine on my p3 400 as well.
[04:09] <smouche> yeah, hay, I should have said "with a gui"...;-)
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> (realistically)
[04:09] <geneo93> smouche:  386 with 128 mb of ram
[04:09] <ryman> hi guys, anyone using Hoary and have sound problem ?
[04:09] <hawke> pussfeller: your quote submitted to bash.org as well. :-)
[04:10] <pussfeller> played divx5 avis over the lan smoothly
[04:10] <cef> flodine: amd64 is a released architecture on ubuntu (unlike debian)
[04:10] <HrdwrBoB> and 256 mb ram to run a few things, 128 should work
[04:10] <pussfeller> im going to be famous!
[04:10] <complxor> whats the best way of burning the ubuntu disk?
[04:10] <complxor> dao, tao, or raw?
[04:10] <geneo93> 386 is before pentium
[04:10] <pussfeller> that k6 works great as a server with gentoo on it
[04:11] <hawke> gen: Yeah, just a bit.
[04:11] <pussfeller> no gui
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> complxor: doesn't matter
[04:11] <cef> I'm guessing that 386 won't work with ubuntu.. 486 is probably the minimum..
[04:11] <smouche> pussfeller, funny you mention divx-- they play really smoothly on my nvidia via lan too-- but I can't get dvd's to play decently at all!
[04:11] <lim_> hi all
[04:11] <complxor> what speed should i pick?
[04:11] <pussfeller> smouche, you might need to tweak some things, i dont think its supposed to run that badly
[04:12] <lim_> smouche: have you enabled DMA in DVD ?
[04:12] <pussfeller> i would post to the forum and/or mailing lists about it
[04:12] <cef> complxor: whatever the disk you're burning onto and the writer have in common
[04:12] <cycom> hrm
[04:12] <smouche> thank you pussfeller and lim_ -- I'll check
[04:13] <pussfeller> xvids strain the p2 tho
[04:13] <pussfeller> some more than others
[04:13] <cycom> cef: do I have to do something like env-update to get apt to see the new config?
[04:13] <cef> cycom: try 'apt-get update'
[04:13] <cycom> ok
[04:14] <cycom> that's what I'm doing now
[04:14] <cef> cool.. should pull down any new sources you've added
[04:14] <pussfeller> only thing i dont like about that gateay laptop im looking at is it has ati card in it, and only a 64 mb and i don't know how good the state of ati drivers on linux is
[04:15] <Pluk> theyre getting better pussfeller
[04:15] <HrdwrBoB> pussfeller: if you want 3d .. it kinda works...
[04:15] <Pluk> still lacking acpi though
[04:15] <smouche> pussfeller, I get the feeling nvidia is much better supported than ati, but I could be wrong...
[04:15] <Pluk> and on a laptop you prolly want acpi support :)
[04:15] <HrdwrBoB> smouche: in general yes
[04:15] <lim_> i'm having troubles with suspend to ram in ubuntu 5.04 and a Samsung M40.. any with this similar problem ?
[04:15] <HrdwrBoB> the ati free driver is much better than the nvidia free driver
[04:15] <Pluk> true
[04:15] <HrdwrBoB> but the ati binary driver is much worse than the nvidia binary driver
[04:16] <pussfeller> nvidia puts out regular drivers that are close to their windows ones in functinality, while the ati drivers,  i dont know
[04:16] <Pluk> ati free driver even has dynamic clock in it
[04:16] <Pluk> it can adjust your gpu corespeed
[04:16] <pussfeller> is the free driver better for ati?
[04:16] <Pluk> only for 2d
[04:16] <smouche> HrdrBoB, what's the difference between the free driver and the binary driver?  I've never been clear on this -- I'm just using what I got with my default install
[04:17] <HrdwrBoB> smouche: the default is the free driver
[04:17] <ryman> hi can someone help me with my sound ? I'm on Hoary .
[04:17] <christian_> Is there anyway to send my processor calculations to my gpu hehe j/k
[04:17] <cycom> shoot. I just needed to apt-get -f install
[04:17] <HrdwrBoB> it works for the most part
[04:17] <HrdwrBoB> but does not support all acceleration or 3d acceleration or TV out etc etc
[04:17] <pussfeller> you have nvidia smouche ?
[04:17] <pussfeller> you should get the binary drivers
[04:17] <smouche> yes, pussfeller -- geForce4
[04:17] <pussfeller> the ones released by nvidia
[04:18] <pussfeller> its on the wiki somewhere how to do it
[04:18] <synd> im trying to play a stream in Music Player, but im getting this error "There is no element present to handle the stream's mime type audio/mpeg."
[04:18] <synd> ideas?
[04:18] <geneo93> pussfeller:  i have ubuntu's 7174 installed and they are just fine
[04:18] <HrdwrBoB> synd: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins iirc
[04:18] <smouche> all right, this is great info-- thanks everyone
[04:19] <synd> HrdwrBoB: thanks bud
[04:19] <Mestapheles> hmmm rhythmbox i still broken in hoary
[04:20] <geneo93> HrdwrBoB:  does that install mad as well
[04:20] <ryman> Mestapheles, do you have sound in Hoary ?
[04:20] <Mestapheles> yes
[04:20] <ryman> I can't get any sound in Hoary even though rhythmbox is working
[04:20] <Mestapheles> xmms works really good
[04:20] <pauliukas> XFCE is nice@!
[04:20] <ryman> Mestapheles, can you help me with the sound ?
[04:20] <ells> tritium: hey Mike what is up
[04:20] <pauliukas> But... How can I change the resolution and refresh rate in it?
[04:20] <ryman> I dont' have any sound even boost up sound
[04:20] <Mestapheles> hold on I made a wiki
[04:20] <tritium> ells, Hi Steve - just working hard.  You?
[04:20] <ryman> oh ok
[04:21] <synd> pauliukas: try settings, its the tool looking icon in the dock
[04:21] <ells> tritium: just hangin out, took the kids to soccer practice
[04:21] <pauliukas> synd, Then what..
[04:21] <synd> HrdwrBoB: E: Couldn't find package iirc
[04:22] <christian_> what version of xfce will ubuntu 5.04 have?
[04:22] <smouche> hmm, that's a good question, pauliukas; I noticed my display seems degraded on xfce compared with kde-- I'm not sure where you'd find a setting for that...
[04:22] <christian_> does anyone know which version will be in the repository?
[04:22] <synd> pauliukas: no idea either.
[04:22] <pauliukas> okkkk. Back to gnome
[04:22] <pauliukas> brb
[04:22] <montana_> is anyone willing to help me install Cedega? I've read the readme, but am sort of confused.
[04:22] <tritium> christian_, 4.2.1.1 is already there
[04:22] <Mestapheles> ryan:http://ubuntuppc.webplazahosting.com/index.php?SettingXmmsAndUsbSound
[04:22] <casimir> pauliukas, if you have gnome installed, try running gnome-display-properties
[04:23] <christian_> tritium, thanks :)
[04:23] <Mestapheles> ryan: hope that helps
[04:23] <tritium> np
[04:23] <_antonio> hi friends
[04:23] <thundrcleeze> hi
[04:23] <Pluk> hiya
[04:23] <_antonio> could anyone explain me what version is going to be release on april 8?
[04:23] <synd> _antonio: hoary final
[04:24] <_antonio> is diferent than http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/.?
[04:24] <_antonio> release candidate i mean
[04:24] <synd> yes
[04:25] <_antonio> then i should wait until april 8 to get that release?
[04:25] <smouche> I don't understand why 16 bit color looks better hthan 24 bit on my amd64! (and in windows, I can run 32 bit color depth) yeah, I should try the nvidia driver...
[04:25] <geppy> Where can I get gnome-config?
[04:25] <synd> smouche: i can never tell a difference
[04:26] <smouche> synd, I normally can't either, except with gradient images, like some linux wallpaper, and for example the backgrounds used by open office 2.  I just see bars instead of smooth gradients.  Very patchy.
[04:27] <montana_> how do I run a script from the terminal?
[04:27] <thundrcleeze> ./
[04:27] <goldfish> make sure it is executable
[04:27] <goldfish> then
[04:27] <goldfish> yeah that :)
[04:27] <geppy> Come on, gnome-config has _got_ to be in a package, somewhere.
[04:27] <thundrcleeze> with chmod +x
[04:27] <montana_> thanks
[04:27] <smouche> I would expect that moving down to 16 would make the gradients worse, but it actually improved things slightly.
[04:27] <pauliukas> chmod 777 filename
[04:28] <thundrcleeze> not +x, pauliukas?
[04:28] <daniels> geppy: gnome-config is from gnome 1.x, not 2.x
[04:28] <synd> smouche: weird
[04:28] <casimir> montana_, alternatively you can use sh [scriptname] 
[04:28] <dazed|> whats a good ftp program
[04:28] <sysrq> geppy: libgnome-dev: /usr/bin/gnome-config
[04:28] <geppy> daniels: Oh!
[04:28] <crimsun> sysrq: older gnome version
[04:28] <pauliukas> thundrcleeze, oh...
[04:28] <sysrq> crimsun: and?
[04:28] <synd> dazed|: samba
[04:28] <crimsun> sysrq: and not what he thinks he wants.
[04:29] <montana_> casimir: thanks, that one worked
[04:29] <dazed|> samba is an ftp program?
[04:29] <synd> believe so?
[04:29] <sysrq> crimsun: he asked for gnome-config, gnome2 doesnt provide it
[04:29] <dazed|> i believe samba is windows networking
[04:29] <dazed|> not ftp
[04:29] <crimsun> sysrq: that's the point daniels and I are making
[04:29] <John__> so I've come to the conclusion that Eric Clapton is Gordon Freeman
[04:29] <hay> samba is used to create shared folders so windows computers can access them, and vice versa
[04:31] <smouche> and if you just want, say, a linux box to access a windows share, but not vice-versa, you don't need the full Samba package; just the smb-client, I think...
[04:31] <hay> smbfs
[04:31] <membreya> so who here knows python/qt? :P
[04:32] <geneo93> samba-common also
[04:32] <dazed|> so anyone know a good ftp program?
[04:32] <hay> client or server
[04:32] <PacoBCN> gftp, dazed|
[04:33] <geneo93> gftp
[04:33] <dazed|> ahh thanks
[04:33] <synd> how can i add some radio stations to Music Player
[04:33] <synd> ?
[04:33] <christian_> When people say free as in beer, is it just a rhyme or is there free beer...if so where is it?
[04:33] <PacoBCN> synd, try streamtuner, you'll find hundreds
[04:33] <synd> PacoBCN: where? apt-get?
[04:33] <PacoBCN> synd, yes
[04:34] <geneo93> dazed|:  if you have kde there is kbear
[04:34] <xf_> question; the RC ISO's, have they been updated at all in the last 2 weeks or so?
[04:34] <synd> PacoBCN: gotcha, thanks bud
[04:34] <christian_> apt-get install free.beer-1.10-1?
[04:34] <dazed|> neg on the kde gnome all da way lol
[04:34] <xf_> and, wasn't hoary due for release a few days ago, or am i getting confused?
[04:34] <synd> xf_: yes
[04:34] <PacoBCN> synd, no problem and enjoy it
[04:34] <synd> xf_: today, actually. and now its due on the 8th
[04:34] <xf_> oh, right, what's the hold up?
[04:35] <xf_> just, i'm about to do another  hoary install, i'd like to avoid needing to download 300mb or so of packages _again_ if i can just download a later ISO :)
[04:35] <synd> xf_: you'd have to ask the devs :P
[04:35] <xf_> are methods of building iso's such as jidgo supported?
[04:35] <synd> xf_: just wait til friday
[04:35] <xf_> but, but, i want to install it now! :p
[04:36] <membreya> noone here can help with python/qt? I'm just trying to use scons to configure a program and it's saying QT not found
[04:36] <synd> lol
[04:37] <Pluk> membreya, you prolly need libqt3-dev
[04:37] <Pluk> or libqt3-mt-dev
[04:37] <membreya> Pluk: tried em both :(
[04:38] <flodine> help guy my mplayer wont play avi files do i need a file for it?
[04:38] <flodine> holla back
[04:40] <synd> Failed to execute child process "xmms" (no such file or directory).
[04:41] <synd> apt-get install xmms ?
[04:42] <synd> ??
[04:43] <synd> i get the error "Failed to execute child process "xmms" (no such file or directory)."
[04:44] <synd> how do i fix? apt-get install xmms ??
[04:44] <jldugger> that is a wierd error
[04:44] <jldugger> how'd you accomplish that?
[04:44] <synd> jldugger: trying to play a stream in streamtuner
[04:44] <jldugger> ah
[04:44] <synd> any idea?
[04:45] <jldugger> yea, xmms is the name of the program
[04:45] <blahrus> use beep-media-player
[04:45] <Jazon> hello
[04:45] <Jazon> how is everyone tonight?
[04:45] <Whiffle> synd, sounds like you need to install xmms..
[04:46] <synd> Whiffle: doing that now.. hope so!
[04:46] <xMaximex> is there a way to install iTouch for logitech media keyboard ?
[04:46] <Whiffle> should work,
[04:46] <xMaximex> to get the volume key works
[04:46] <membreya> how do I tell if I have QT installed? :|
[04:46] <blahrus> anyone know how to build transcode from source because it is not in the amd64 tree
[04:46] <Whiffle> xMaximex, hotkeys
[04:46] <christian_> is beagle available for hoary?
[04:47] <xMaximex> Whiffle, thanks
[04:47] <Jazon> can anyone tell me if ubuntu will work with my HP Media Center m1080n ???  Fedora Core 3 is REALLY difficult...
[04:49] <thundrcleeze> How does Knoppix work, Jazon?
[04:49] <xMaximex> cool, that work
[04:49] <Jazon> not well at all - it stretches off of the screen.... can't really use it
[04:51] <smouche> Does anyone know if mono apps work with kde?  I installed mono, but I couldn't get Tomboy or Muine to work
[04:53] <synd> is it me or does xmms look extremely like winamp
[04:53] <Whiffle> lmao
[04:53] <Whiffle> yes.
[04:53] <Whiffle> it can use the same skins
[04:53] <synd> is this a coincidence.. ?
[04:53] <Whiffle> i doubt it
[04:53] <synd> same people make it?
[04:53] <Whiffle> but there isn't a winamp version for linux
[04:54] <synd> well, of course
[04:54] <Whiffle> im not sure
[04:54] <synd> it'd be called linamp :p
[04:54] <Whiffle> lol
[04:54] <chibifs> Or beep-media-player? :D
[04:54] <synd> hah
[04:55] <chibifs> Because XMMS smells old, like GTK 1.x
[04:55] <chibifs> :P
[04:55] <Whiffle> yeah i use xfmedia
[04:55] <synd> beep media player?
[04:55] <smouche> synd, are you talking about stream-tuner --?  It works with totem if you have that.
[04:55] <synd> smouche: yeah, but when i click Tune In, it wants to use xmms
[04:56] <smouche> you can change that
[04:56] <smouche> Just click edit-prefs- applications in stream tuner
[04:56] <synd> im ok with xmms though, it reminds me of the FEW things i use to like on windows
[04:56] <Whiffle> synd, edit ~/.streamtuner/config
[04:56] <Whiffle> or be crazy and use the gui lol
[04:57] <smouche> I always disliked winamp myself, so, heh heh, xmms reminds me too much of windows! ;-)
[04:57] <cycom> why does apt-get kernel-source only have the sources for 2.6.9, and not for 2.6.10
[04:57] <synd> Whiffle: GUI? who uses those?!
[04:58] <Whiffle> synd, not me!  i came from gentoo :D
[04:58] <cycom> mmm...gentubuntu
[04:58] <synd> Whiffle: i use Matrix-encoded prompt. yes, i can read vertically scrolling matrix code
[04:58] <Whiffle> whazzat cycom ?
[04:58] <Whiffle> lol
[04:58] <synd> haha
[04:59] <ryman> do you guys have sound on Hoary ?
[04:59] <flodine> need help with mplayer wont play movies
[04:59] <Whiffle> ryman, yes
[04:59] <montana_> ryman, sure do
[04:59] <auto> no sound problems here
[04:59] <Nekohayo> ryman, yep yep
[04:59] <ryman> I don't have any sound on Hoary. my sound card is Creative 2zs
[04:59] <xMaximex> why beep is better than xmms ?
[04:59] <Nekohayo> ryman, unplug your USB webcam :)
[04:59] <Nekohayo> XD
[04:59] <ryman> can someone help me with the sound ? I'm new to linux
[04:59] <smouche> hey, synd, this streamtuner is awesome!  I just set it to work with xine-ui -- even better!
[04:59] <ryman> Nekohayo, I dont have USB webcam
[05:00] <Whiffle> yeah streamtuner rocks
[05:00] <Nekohayo> oh well too bad, I was guessing
[05:00] <cycom> but yeah, what the heck? I can't get kernel-source-2.6.10
[05:00] <montana_> lol, thats what was wrong with my sound, tried to output sound to my usb camera
[05:00] <Nekohayo> montana_, everyone I've seen with a logitech webcam couldn't get sound XD
[05:00] <cycom> hehe. microphone speaker
[05:01] <synd> smouche: nice!
[05:02] <sunpascal> hey, anyone know how to uncompress 7z files in ubuntu?
[05:02] <synd> smouche: i have xine too lol why did i bother with xmms?!
[05:02] <smouche> It just amazes me how well my laptop soundcard (nvidia I think) is working with kubuntu; and I even have decent speakers on here...
[05:02] <cef> ok, anyone with kernel skills want to suggest where to start in getting DMA working on an AMD 8111 IDE chipset? hdparm simply reports "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted" if I try enable DMA
[05:02] <synd> smouche: me too. im on this old school toshiba p3 600mhz
[05:03] <synd> laptop at that
[05:03] <Rene_S> Yikes, Ubuntu looks a tad rusty
[05:03] <Whiffle> linux likes my computer
[05:03] <Whiffle> windows hates it
[05:03] <nasboy> Is anybody else having problems with rhythmbox importing files?
[05:04] <synd> i think windows hates everything
[05:04] <Nekohayo> ryman, you don't get any sound, any at all? do you have an onboard sound card too?
[05:04] <smouche> This "Xiph" thing ion streamtuner is great, never heard of it -- Live365 takes forever to load, though.
[05:04] <Whiffle> probably
[05:04] <cef> sunpascal: p7zip, .. it's on sourceforge or downloadable from http://www.7-zip.org/
[05:04] <montana_> anyone know why warcraft 3 would think i have windows 95 installed when i have the latest cvswine?
[05:04] <Nekohayo> ryman, if you got an onboard sound card, deactivate it from bios
[05:04] <synd> smouche: i like the shoutcast ones
[05:04] <synd> smouche: winamp baby! : )
[05:05] <PacoBCN> if you want some good streaming radios check somafm.com
[05:05] <msh_> hi
[05:05] <ryman> Nekohayo, i have i have onboard soundcard
[05:05] <msh_> coudl someone help me with ubuntu's init process?
[05:05] <Whiffle> msh_, whats it doing?
[05:05] <ryman> let me try to deactive it
[05:05] <msh_> well
[05:05] <Nekohayo> good luck ryman
[05:05] <Whiffle> yeah try and deactiveate the onboard, mine was giving me trouble too
[05:05] <msh_> its not doing anythign wrong
[05:06] <msh_> its just that im used to slackware
[05:06] <ryman> Nekohayo, thanks
[05:06] <msh_> and this is different
[05:06] <smouche> I'm getting addicted to full-screen visualizations-- I think 64 mb dedicated video memory must be helping there-- very smooth
[05:06] <cef> sunpascal: there is also an experimental debian package you could try out (should work in this case). hold a sec
[05:06] <cycom> dammit. why can't I get the 2.6.10 sources?!
[05:06] <msh_> like
[05:06] <smouche> I used to dismiss that stuff before, always turned it off
[05:06] <msh_> i want it to boot to console, and then i log in and startx
[05:06] <Whiffle> ah
[05:06] <msh_> but it seems to have a scritp in rc.d that starts gdm
[05:06] <sunpascal> cef, does it work with file roller?
[05:07] <nasboy> Is anybody else having problems with rhythmbox importing files?
[05:07] <Whiffle> msh_, sudo update-rc.d remove gdm default
[05:07] <Whiffle> should do it i think
[05:07] <Pol> hello :)
[05:07] <Whiffle> maybe not..
[05:07] <msh_> kzetts@ubuntu:~ $ sudo update-rc.d remove gdm default
[05:07] <msh_> Password:
[05:07] <msh_> update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/remove: file does not exist
[05:07] <msh_> kzetts@ubuntu:~ $
[05:07] <Pol> is it possible to install Ubuntu with only a live CD ?
[05:07] <Whiffle> yeah im trying to remember which one it is
[05:08] <synd> msh_: please, goto #flood if you need to paste a few lines
[05:08] <etzerd> hello room
[05:08] <msh_> hey synd, go to #gofuckyourself
[05:08] <synd> smouche: haha!
[05:08] <msh_> anyways
[05:08] <cef> sunpascal: no idea.. I'd doubt it... command line interface
[05:08] <sysrq> msh_: update-rc.d gdm remove
[05:08] <msh_> k
[05:08] <sysrq> msh_: and next time, change the man page
[05:08] <sysrq> *check
[05:08] <etzerd> is peck here tonight?
[05:08] <Whiffle> ok  here we go
[05:08] <cef> sunpascal: but you never know.. you may be able to teach fileroller to use it somehow
[05:08] <Whiffle> sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[05:08] <Whiffle> should do it
[05:08] <smouche> I'm really impressed with these, what are they called, goob? visualizations.
[05:08] <msh_> kyup
[05:08] <msh_> just did it
[05:09] <sunpascal> ok, thanks cef
[05:09] <msh_> also
[05:09] <etzerd> can someone tell me how to install real player in ubuntu?
[05:09] <Whiffle> now i need to figure out how to re-add it lol
[05:09] <msh_> si there anyway to install xorg instead of xfree?
[05:09] <msh_> eh
[05:09] <msh_> ill just remove em in synaptic
[05:09] <Whiffle> msh_, xorg comes with hoary
[05:09] <msh_> then compile xorg formsource
[05:10] <msh_> hoary sint released as stable yet
[05:10] <Whiffle> bah
[05:10] <Whiffle> oh well
[05:10] <Whiffle> lol
[05:10] <Whiffle> it will be in a couple days
[05:10] <msh_> oh ya?
[05:10] <msh_> when?
[05:10] <Whiffle> 8th i think
[05:10] <msh_> wow
[05:10] <msh_> k
[05:10] <etzerd> ?
[05:10] <msh_> today is 6th?
[05:10] <smouche> etzerd, unless you're using the 64 bit distro, the instructions on www.ubuntuguide.com for installing RealPlayer will work
[05:10] <cef> sunpascal: here's the i386 deb: http://http.us.debian.org/pub/debian/pool/main/p/p7zip/p7zip_4.14.01-1_i386.deb
[05:10] <Nekohayo> anybody knows a blog / news site that relates only to Xorg stuff?
[05:11] <etzerd> ok let me check the web site
[05:12] <jnc> Nekohayo: i think there are some, ask in #freedesktop
[05:12] <Nekohayo> thanks jnc
[05:13] <Xeon3D> does anyone have sound on embebbed flash movies? (Firefox)
[05:14] <Whiffle> i think so
[05:14] <Xeon3D> I don't.
[05:14] <montana_> yup, watching some right now on newgrounds
[05:14] <Xeon3D> man.. I am watching stuff on NG as well.
[05:14] <Xeon3D> but I get no sound!
[05:14] <Xeon3D> :(
[05:14] <jnc> Xeon3D: amd64 here, i'm lucky if i get flashed at a bar
[05:14] <Whiffle> yep they work for me too..
[05:14] <synd> how can i pull whats playing in my xmms and store it as a string so i can maybe put it as a status thing on gaim?
[05:14] <Xeon3D> what shuld I do...
[05:15] <Xeon3D> synd, check for gaim plugins... I'm sure there's one for that.
[05:15] <Whiffle> synd, xmms-infopipe does that, and theres a gaim plugin to do it
[05:15] <Xeon3D> montana_, why the question?
[05:15] <synd> good deal
[05:15] <synd> is xmms infopipe in apt-get?
[05:15] <jnc> synd:  there's a gaim plugin for rhythmbox
[05:16] <Xeon3D> I'm gonna try and reinstall the flash plugin...
[05:16] <jnc> synd: apt-cache search infopipe
[05:16] <plagerism> Is it possible to use the fglrx driver(with tv out) to create two dependant displays? Or is a single dual head display the best I am gonna get??
[05:16] <plagerism> independent I mean
[05:16] <plagerism> t
[05:17] <smouche> synd, what's a "status thing"  on gaim-- ?
[05:17] <etzerd> Snouche: the address www.ubuntuguide.com does not exist.
[05:17] <cef> ok, anyone with kernel skills want to suggest how to get DMA working on an AMD 8111 IDE chipset? hdparm simply reports "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted" if I try to enable DMA
[05:17] <smouche> sorry etzerd, let me check...
[05:17] <smouche> hang one
[05:17] <smouche> on
[05:17] <synd> smouche: away message, user info
[05:17] <Whiffle> man I am so glad I saved my hotkeys config from gentoo..
[05:18] <smouche> my bad, etzerd, that's www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:18] <etzerd> Thanks
[05:18] <smouche> ah, synd-- I see- but you mean you just want to display the url of what you're listening to ...?
[05:19] <synd> smouche: kinda, and id like for it to display what's playing
[05:19] <synd> smouche: some internet radio sites send the info of whats playing and some dont
[05:19] <calc> hmm less than 48hr until hoary is declared erm stable yea ;)
[05:20] <flodine> do we have to download a new then
[05:20] <synd> i love proton radio
[05:20] <synd> flodine: yes
[05:20] <Whiffle> im jsut going to update..
[05:20] <flodine> cool
[05:21] <montana_> synd: we cant just update?
[05:21] <synd> montana_: yes
[05:21] <synd> thats what i meant
[05:21] <montana_> okay, phew
[05:21] <smouche> synd, maybe you can help me with this:  when I click on those streamtuner stations, xmms, or totem or whatever plays the stream, but what I want is streams to queau up in the playlist--
[05:21] <synd> if youre up to date now, then it shouldnt be much of an upgrade i dont think
[05:21] <synd> smouche: hmm.. i see what youre saying.
[05:21] <smouche> I can't get them to do that-- they just replace the previous streams.  The bookmarks are ok in streamtuner, but I really want to save a playlist
[05:22] <jsgotangco> you have to update early *grin*
[05:22] <jsgotangco> but then
[05:22] <jsgotangco> we will probably have gnome 2.10.1
[05:22] <jsgotangco> so that would be hefty yes
[05:22] <smouche> the current application command is "totem %q" (or xmms %q) -- I don't know what the q is for, or if there's another string I should try to have stuff just apended to the playlist...
[05:23] <cef> *sigh*
[05:23] <nullaresnata> Hello all, just a question. What are the yast/drake utils equivalent on ubuntu (if any)?
[05:23] <synd> smouche: i think you may have to manually add it
[05:23] <synd> smouche: i think q is for queue
[05:24] <jsgotangco> there are none
[05:24] <jsgotangco> ubuntu uses the gnome admin tools
[05:24] <nullaresnata> Ah.
[05:24] <nullaresnata> Thanks.
[05:24] <synd> smouche: i wonder if you can replace it with another string that queues to the end of the current playlist
[05:24] <nullaresnata> That should do the trick.
[05:24] <jsgotangco> the only ubuntu specific app at the moment is Ubuntu Update Manager which is a frontend of a frontend
[05:24] <smouche> synd, exactly.  That's what I need...
[05:25] <jsgotangco> but there are some python stuff thats ubuntu specific as well
[05:25] <nullaresnata> Noticed that on the live cd.
[05:25] <nullaresnata> the frontend to the frontend ;) good point.
[05:25] <cartel_> anyone use citrix ica?
[05:25] <daniels> cef: for me, it was module load order; ide-generic was getting loaded but not ide-ck804 or whatever it is
[05:25] <smouche> guess I'll google it... I never liked winamp, er xmms playlists!  in windows I use foobar2000 -- open source and awesome
[05:26] <jsgotangco> Ubuntu Update Manager is a simplified synaptic in which synaptic is a gui for apt
[05:26] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[05:26] <nullified> obento reformatt my computar!
[05:26] <nullified> just kidding.
[05:26] <synd> smouche: i cant find anything
[05:26] <jsgotangco> obento?
[05:26] <synd> smouche: in the help file
[05:26] <daniels> cef: try throwing amd74xx in /etc/modules before ide-generic
[05:27] <nullified> heh
[05:27] <nullified> obento = lunch
[05:27] <nullified> or, your lunch..
[05:27] <cycom> ARG
[05:27] <nullified> hoary is greatsville.
[05:27] <Whiffle> anyone have trouble with composite and the latest nvidia drivers?
[05:28] <nullified> Whiffle, not i
[05:28] <Whiffle> it keeps locking X up on me
[05:29] <Whiffle> computer will still shut itself down if i hit the powerbutton
[05:29] <Whiffle> so its not toally locked up
[05:29] <cef> daniels: I'
[05:29] <cef> daniels: I'll give it a shot..
[05:29] <nullified> strange
[05:29] <nullified> in X11R6 you mean, or XFree86?
[05:29] <nullified> (or does xfree86 even do xcomp..?)
[05:29] <cef> daniels: basically can't turn on dma on my dvd writer in the dual AMD64 *sigh*
[05:29] <daniels> nullified: xfree86 doesn't have composite support
[05:30] <daniels> cef: yeah, i had the same problem with my amd64
[05:30] <calc> cef: what does it say?
[05:30] <nullified> xcomp is... useless anyway... heh
[05:30] <cycom> how the hell do I get 2.6.10 sources?! apt-get says it doesn't exist!
[05:30] <calc> that may be due to the loading of the ide-generic happening before the chipset driver
[05:30] <etzerd> Snouche: what is the difference between hoary and warty?
[05:30] <smouche> synd!
[05:30] <cef> calc: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[05:30] <smouche> I got it-- using zinf
[05:30] <Whiffle> im an eye candy junky
[05:30] <calc> ah nm i see daniels already told you that
[05:30] <calc> mdz had told me to remove ide-* from /etc/modules completely
[05:31] <calc> i had the same problem on my box
[05:31] <nullified> daniels, nvidia drivers + x.org are terribly troublesome.
[05:31] <cef> and yeah, lsmod seems to tell me the same
[05:31] <smouche> I can set preferences to append streams to the playlist instead of playing immediately.  Zinf is a nice player, btw...
[05:31] <calc> i would guess that anyone with more than one ide chipset will have that problem
[05:31] <nullified> daniels, if you want transparency so badly, i suggest metisse.
[05:31] <calc> or that uses sata and pata
[05:31] <montana_> how do i edit config files that are locked?
[05:31] <etzerd> Because I just update my sources.list all the lines that start with "deb" have something like hoary. now the one I just copy form ubuntu.org has a sample where all of the are warty
[05:32] <flodine> does mplayer have problem
[05:32] <smouche> etzerd, warty is the stable release, hoary is the development release (soon to be stable)
[05:32] <synd> smouche: zimf?
[05:32] <calc> cef: yea making the ide chipset driver load first will fix it
[05:32] <cef> calc: well this has sil3114, amd74xx and i've got a 3w9xxx in there as well
[05:32] <smouche> Zinf-- I think it's in universe, nice basic player
[05:32] <calc> cef: i doubt ide-generic will steal from 3ware
[05:32] <smouche> I simply couldn't find a setting like that in xmms, but maybe I missed it.
[05:32] <calc> and since sil3114 is sata it may not on it either
[05:32] <cef> calc: true.. but I'm booting off the 3ware *grin*
[05:33] <etzerd> so I can keep both of them on my sources.list and update it. That won't cause any problem
[05:33] <daniels> nullified: dude, I use neither nVidia nor Composite
[05:33] <daniels> calc: i have an nforce chipset, yeah
[05:33] <smouche> synd, Zinf seems like kind of a cross between beep player and rhythm box-- it'll scan your folders for media, etc
[05:34] <calc> daniels: ah
[05:34] <daniels> the graphics card, however, uses totally open drivers
[05:34] <nullified> oh crap.
[05:34] <nullified> we allll know i meant wiffle, right?
[05:34] <cef> calc: now if the bug that is supposed to be fixed in regards to the 3w9xxx module in ubuntu's kernel (it's really an upstream problem) was actually fixed, I'
[05:34] <synd> smouche: nice nice, im getting it now
[05:34] <cef> I'd be really happy!
[05:34] <nullified> do ATI cards work on Linux with 3D yet?  heh.
[05:34] <calc> nullified: just for 4-5 years
[05:35] <Whiffle> what what?
[05:35] <Whiffle> i saw my name..
[05:35] <nullified> calc, haha yeah...
[05:35] <Whiffle> yeah ATI's work, but its pita.
[05:35] <etzerd> Nouche: my last question to you: Should I sace the sources.list with both warty and hoary?
[05:35] <nullified> Whiffle, pita-ful
[05:35] <MrParker> heya
[05:35] <calc> binary drivers are evil, don't use them
[05:35] <MrParker> </3
[05:35] <nullified> calc, hai.  i want a nice via 3d card... heh.
[05:35] <calc> s/drivers/software/  don't use any of it ;)
[05:35] <SiRrUs> good evening
[05:36] <bestadvocate> hello persones
[05:36] <MrParker> Anyone feel like answering a newbies questions? :P
[05:36] <calc> intel makes nice 3d accel hardware with open source drivers
[05:36] <calc> like i915G/i945G
[05:36] <bestadvocate> MrParker: shoot!
[05:36] <MrParker> :)
[05:36] <synd> MrParker: sure
[05:36] <delltony_> i wish ubuntu or whoever would fix the xorg-fxglrx-driver (the ati thing) where it would one make the frame rate faster as the offical ati one and second make an actually xorg.conf file instead of xfree86
[05:36] <MrParker> okay, this is my second distro of linux (I had mandrake and hated it, this was a suggestion from a friend)
[05:37] <MrParker> anyway, I have an IDE drive and a SATA drive
[05:37] <MrParker> I ubuntu onto my IDE drive
[05:37] <MrParker> it installed the drivers for my SATA controller fine
[05:37] <MrParker> I can see the SATA controller in the device manager thing
[05:37] <MrParker> and I can see my drive attached to the controller
[05:38] <MrParker> it says that my drive is at /sys/block/sda/sda1
[05:38] <flodine> how did you do that with the satas
[05:38] <MrParker> (it's an NTFS partition)
[05:38] <MrParker> I cant access my files on there
[05:38] <smouche> synd, rats!  there's a fly in the ointment with Zinf; it's not playing all the streams that xmms, totem etc, can, for some reason.  Saying they don't exist...
[05:38] <MrParker> I dont know how to get to them
[05:38] <SuperLag> Gentlemen, I have an issue after this Ubuntu install that disturbs me.  The LED for my hard drive is solid, and I'm not sure why.
[05:38] <bestadvocate> ok do you know how to use mount from the command line?
[05:39] <SuperLag> It doesn't flash, it looks like almost constant activity
[05:39] <MrParker> I do, relatively yes
[05:39] <synd> smouche: which ones.. ill try on mine
[05:39] <cef> daniels: I've got a LOT of small things for Hoary+1.. small fixes and suggestions.. like: default ext3 options for normal installs to boost the number of reboots before an fsck
[05:40] <bestadvocate> mount -t ntfs -o rw /dev/sda1 /media/*emptyfolder you make yourself* might pull it off?
[05:40] <smouche> synd, Zinf is playing all Xiph streams, but no shoutcast ones -- there's probably a plug-in for that-- checking synaptic...
[05:40] <cef> daniels: oh, and getting rid of inetd (I'm working on exactly how to do it properly)
[05:40] <notsasuke> heh, cool.
[05:40] <MrParker> okay let me try that
[05:40] <bestadvocate> MrParker make sure to make the folder first
[05:40] <hay> what does it mean if the text when booting is red?
[05:40] <calc> rw access to ntfs isn't all that useful
[05:40] <synd> smouche: im playing shoutcasts ones fine.. without an extra plugin
[05:40] <notsasuke> i deleted every directory but /home, then installed ubuntu.... and now i log into gdm, and BAM, my old KDE desktop... ubuntu-ized from debian :D
[05:40] <MrParker> I shall
[05:40] <bestadvocate> MrParker: oh and dont forget ot use sudo
[05:41] <Whiffle> anbody in here done usplash?  im trying to decide if i should put forth the effort
[05:41] <calc> cef: xinetd?
[05:41] <smouche> hmm, weird -- anyway, I'm adding some stuff for Zinf...
[05:41] <cef> calc: well, it'd make it easier for people to install xinetd anyway
[05:41] <MrParker> best
[05:41] <MrParker> I love oyu
[05:41] <MrParker> :P
[05:41] <MrParker> you*
[05:41] <bestadvocate> lol
[05:41] <cef> calc: tried removing the netkit-inetd package lately? it netbase depends on it *sigh*
[05:41] <MrParker> thanks a bunch, worked perfectly
[05:42] <bestadvocate> oh and you can make that automatically mount
[05:42] <calc> cef: ah
[05:42] <bestadvocate> just mess with /etc/fstab (i can tell you the line to write if you want)
[05:42] <daniels> cef: cool
[05:42] <synd> godddddd i have to do my microprocessors class homework >:O
[05:42] <matt_> MrParker, be careful with writing on ntfs
[05:42] <cef> calc: ass-backwards dependancies and a few files in the wrong packages that need to be moved
[05:42] <matt_> MrParker, its almost better not to use write support at all
[05:42] <synd> anyone have any knowledge with the Z80 Processor?!?
[05:42] <MrParker> okay
[05:43] <MrParker> but
[05:43] <daniels> delltony_: it's great that you have these suggestions, but if making fglrx faster was as easy as saying 'i'll make fglrx faster now', i'd do it.  do you have any specific suggestions on what to do?
[05:43] <Fackamato> synd: it's 8bit ,P
[05:43] <MrParker> if I use the regular browser
[05:43] <bestadvocate> MrParker: just change the rw into ro if you you dont want to mess up the NTFS
[05:43] <MrParker> and go to media
[05:43] <kakalto> could someone please help me? I installed japanese input support, and I've messed around with the files involved with this, and now when I press SHIFT+SPACE, japanese doesn't activate, but if I log in in japanese, pushing SHIFT+SPACE activates japanese input/
[05:43] <calc> synd: you can't run ubuntu on it ;)
[05:43] <calc> synd: what question?
[05:43] <MrParker> I already changed it
[05:43] <Wyld> where abouts do you install new mouse cursors .. and how to i activate them into usage?
[05:43] <daniels> delltony_: (bearing in mind that 8.12.10 will go straight into breezy, and I'm in the middle of preparing packages of that now.)
[05:43] <MrParker> but if I go in with the file browser
[05:43] <MrParker> and go into media and into 'sata' (the folder I created
[05:43] <cef> daniels: you're going to ubutnu down under I assume?
[05:43] <delltony_> no i wasn't really complaining i was just curious cause i always have to uninstall the ati one
[05:44] <MrParker> it goes back to the media directory and I cant see it again
[05:44] <smouche> well, anyway, synd, streamtuner is freaking wonderful!
[05:44] <delltony_> for libmessa to upgrade
[05:44] <delltony_> then put it back in
[05:44] <synd> Fackamato: yes it is : )
[05:44] <synd> Fackamato: i jsut started the class today
[05:44] <delltony_> cause the frame rates with the one on ubuntu is like 400fps where with ati's its 4000
[05:44] <daniels> cef: yeah, fo'sho
[05:44] <bestadvocate> MrParker: it?  im confused
[05:44] <synd> calc: dunno, have to look at the lab for tomorrow
[05:44] <MrParker> the file browser
[05:44] <cef> daniels: *grin*
[05:45] <calc> i haven't used z80 in many years so i probably don't remember any of it :\
[05:45] <synd> smouche: yes sir
[05:45] <synd> smouche: im glad i found it
[05:45] <delltony_> brb
[05:45] <kakalto> anyone?
[05:45] <bestadvocate> MrParker: your saying it does not show in Places-->Computer, but does in /media/sata?
[05:45] <synd> smouche: what kinda music you listening to?
[05:45] <cef> daniels: about to get 4 weeks off.. 1 week doing nothing, 1 week at lca, 1 week at UDU, and 1 week doing nothing.. and with my new lappy, I now can actually build stuff without waiting a month
[05:46] <MrParker> No, if I go into console I can see it. and browse its contents
[05:46] <kakalto> ?
[05:46] <MrParker> if I use the GUI browser it shows the folder
[05:46] <MrParker> however the folder picture for it has an X on it
[05:46] <MrParker> and when I try to enter it, it resets itself
[05:46] <bestadvocate> MrParker: thats because your browser does not have sudo access
[05:46] <MrParker> oooo
[05:46] <MrParker> okay
[05:46] <SirGrok> I feel like a total idiot saying this: I can't get my sound to work (doh! n00b shouts headed my way). I just reinstalled 5.04 from scratch and I just can't seem to get the sound working.
[05:46] <bestadvocate> MrParker: you need to chmod it
[05:46] <MrParker> but theres not a little 'lock'
[05:47] <MrParker> just the x
[05:47] <SirGrok> I have an audigy 2 card and onboard sound (audigy is my main card. I think everything is configured correctly)
[05:47] <bestadvocate> MrParker: i could be wrong... i dont have ntfs
[05:47] <smouche> synd, right now, I'm listening to some jazz; I had some electronica on before
[05:48] <Whiffle> SirGrok, if you don't need the onboard sound, disable it in bios, that will make things alot simpler.
[05:48] <synd> smouche: oo nice. im an electronica guy myself (breakbeats, trance, house)
[05:48] <notsasuke> kvirc is archaic, so is kdevelop ;p
[05:48] <notsasuke> (in hoary)
[05:48] <SirGrok> Whiffle, I thought that I had done that... I must not have. I will go and give that a spin. Back in a flash.
[05:48] <daniels> cef: hhe, nice :) sounds awesome.  amd64 laptop, I assume?
[05:48] <kakalto> could someone please help me? I installed japanese input support, and I've messed around with the files involved with this, and now when I press SHIFT+SPACE, japanese doesn't activate, but if I log in in japanese, pushing SHIFT+SPACE activates japanese input
[05:49] <MrParker> dr-x------  1 root root 8192 2005-04-02 17:54 sata
[05:49] <thully> any gstreamer experts in here?  I want to create a GNOME audio profile for the AAC format used on iPods, so that I can rip music to AAC.  How would I go about doing this?
[05:49] <Whiffle> kakalto, I'd love to help ya but I don't have a clue where to start
[05:49] <MrParker> how would I make this so its not a root dir?
[05:49] <kakalto> hehe,
[05:49] <bestadvocate> MrParker chmod it (man chmod to figure it out)
[05:49] <kakalto> Whiffle, it's the attitude that counts :P
[05:49] <cef> daniels: unfortunately not.. P4 3.2 Ghz HT
[05:49] <cef> daniels: cost me $0, so I'm not complaining too much
[05:50] <Whiffle> kakalto, only 2 languages for me... english and sarcasm :D
[05:50] <Whiffle> neither of which help you
[05:50] <kakalto> :D
[05:50] <verden01> Hi i'd like to know how to download ubuntu using bittorrent?
[05:50] <bestadvocate> MrParker: or chown it(but i dont know how to chown)
[05:50] <kakalto> Whiffle, considering I speak those two fluenty aswell, no
[05:50] <daniels> cef: heh
[05:50] <Whiffle> lol
[05:50] <MrParker> hehe
[05:51] <bestadvocate> MrParker: chwon is safer but the most unsafe and easy way should be "sudo chmod 777 /media/sata"  _unsafe though_
[05:51] <geneo93> verden01:  wait till saturday
[05:51] <verden01> why?
[05:51] <geneo93> verden01:  it will be final
[05:52] <verden01> but how do i install and use bittorrent?
[05:52] <verden01> cool
[05:52] <delltony> ok back sorry about that had to reinstall my ati driver
[05:52] <synd> ok time to go back down to my other computer, brb
[05:52] <MrParker> chmod 777 didnt do anything though
[05:52] <MrParker> file permissions are still the same
[05:52] <cef> daniels: nVidia GeForceFX 5200.. 1440 x 900 screen (grr!)
[05:52] <geneo93> verden01:  get mldonkey-gui
[05:52] <smouche> isn't bittorrent installed by default with hoary-gnome?
[05:52] <bestadvocate> chown 777 /media/sata?
[05:52] <Whiffle> MrParker, what does your fstab say about that drive?
[05:52] <flodine> should i use ex3 or reiser for os
[05:53] <cef> daniels: btw: the AMD64 now has DMA! yay!
[05:53] <verden01> thanks is that for windows or linux?
[05:53] <bestadvocate> Whiffle: he has yet ot add it to fstab as far as i know
[05:53] <Whiffle> oioh
[05:53] <Whiffle> that would help..
[05:53] <MrParker> how do I view fstab?
[05:53] <bestadvocate> Whiffle: do you know the propper way to mound a NTFS for fstab?
[05:54] <daniels> cef: ah, word :)
[05:54] <bestadvocate> more /etc/fstab
[05:54] <MrParker> it doesnt show it
[05:54] <smouche> synd, good listening-- cheers!  I'm gonna hit the sack; maybe with my laptop playing in my ear all night... ;-)
[05:54] <Whiffle> i havn't mounted ntfs, but I used umask=000 for my fat32.  although you'd probably want read only..
[05:54] <HillTop> MrParker, bestadvocate,  in fstab the use of the user or users parameter will set the permissions for you  - right?
[05:54] <cef> daniels: hotplug is a pain.. 3 network cards in that machine.. one of them randomly becomes eth0, even though I added modprobe aliases
[05:55] <daniels> cef: bleh
[05:55] <bestadvocate> HillTop that sounds right...
[05:55] <MrParker> Whiffle, it doesnt show me the drive in fstab
[05:55] <cef> daniels: so now the first ethernet driver is in /etc/modules too *grin*
[05:55] <Whiffle> probably need to add a line for it then
[05:55] <daniels> heh
[05:55] <bestadvocate> MrParker /etc/fstab is there isnt it? its a small text file?
[05:56] <MrParker> bestadvocate, yes it is, but my sata drive does not show
[05:56] <bestadvocate> right you need to add it yourself
[05:56] <cef> daniels: now to try and burn something.. *grin*
[05:56] <MrParker> no idea how to do that :P
[05:56] <bestadvocate> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[05:57] <bestadvocate> then you add a line something like .... (one min i need to figure this out)
[05:57] <GhostFreeman> Whats the package needed to do translucent windows in Linux
[05:57] <MrParker> why does it put my sata drive in /sys/block /
[05:57] <MrParker> ?
[05:57] <Whiffle> GhostFreeman, xorg composite
[05:57] <GhostFreeman> ok
[05:58] <cef> daniels: so, who should I eventually poke about getting a package moved from universe to main?
[05:58] <bestadvocate> /dev/*whatever you put in the mount command i dont remember*       /media/sata     ext3    ro,user 0       0
[05:58] <bestadvocate> MrParker: do you got that?
[05:58] <daniels> cef: which package?
[05:58] <syn1> hoorah
[05:58] <SuperLag> Gentoo has rc-status to see which services are running... is there something equivalent in Ubuntu?
[05:58] <cef> daniels: winbind
[05:58] <MrParker> bestadvocate I didnt have a /dev/anything in the mount command
[05:58] <daniels> cef: dunno, you'll have to find someone to stand up and support it
[05:59] <cef> daniels: tends to be useful if you want to run a samba server and auth against a windows PDC
[05:59] <MrParker> ohhhhhhhhh hold on
[05:59] <daniels> yeah
[05:59] <bestadvocate> MrParker do you rember what i told you to type earlyer?
[05:59] <cef> daniels: might have to chat to whoever maintains samba
[06:00] <MrParker> yeah
[06:00] <MrParker> but wouldnt it be ntfs? not ext3...
[06:00] <bestadvocate> MrParker: etc/fstab is just a variation of that  (what part said /dev/something
[06:00] <bestadvocate> MrParker; OOPPS yes
[06:01] <flodine> is reiser better faster ext3
[06:01] <MrParker> bestadvocate okay I have added it to fstab
[06:01] <bestadvocate> MrParker: i just cut and pasted my own line :)
[06:01] <MrParker> bestadvocate what does that do? :P
[06:01] <bestadvocate> whats the line say (just make sure you got it right....
[06:01] <SuperLag> any of you guys have issues with high I/O to the hard drive in Ubuntu
[06:01] <Whiffle> flodine, supposedly reiser is faster, i dont have any experience with ext3 though
[06:01] <Whiffle> reisers worked great for me as long as I have solid hardware
[06:01] <MrParker> /dev/sda1       /media/sata     ntfs    ro,user         0       0
[06:02] <xMaximex> what should i use to play dvd movie ?
[06:02] <bestadvocate> MrParker: I am hoping this will make ubuntu automatically detect your Harddrive
[06:02] <flodine> my satas are slow why
[06:02] <MrParker> bestadvocate should I restart?
[06:02] <bestadvocate> MrParker: note this will be READ ONLY, if you want to change that make the ro, into rw
[06:02] <mebaran151_> hey
[06:03] <mebaran151_> I need to get done some scoring
[06:03] <mebaran151_> anyone know the best app to do that
[06:03] <bestadvocate> MrParker, (you could its easyer than a little command line work)
[06:03] <mebaran151_> I am willing to do text entry
[06:03] <Whiffle> i get 51 mb/s out of my 7200 rpm 8mb cacha ATA-133
[06:03] <MrParker> bestadvocate does this require me rebooting the kernal?
[06:03] <mebaran151_> 5 stave work
[06:03] <MrParker> play
[06:03] <MrParker> okay
[06:03] <MrParker> brb
[06:03] <bestadvocate> MrParker: not really required
[06:03] <mebaran151_> any of you guys musical fellows
[06:04] <bestadvocate> membaran151: i like music....
[06:04] <bestadvocate> I have 6 days worth of playlist on my computer :)
[06:04] <bestadvocate> in ogg format :)
[06:04] <flodine> anyone runing satas
[06:04] <SuperLag> flodine: yes
[06:04] <flodine> my drives are slow as f
[06:05] <flodine> why
[06:05] <cef> what's the best way to add a user to a group, without killing all the existing groups they're a member of?
[06:05] <Whiffle> flodine, what do you get when you run "sudo hdparm -tT /dev/sda"
[06:06] <gardion> Has anyone gotten newsgroups to work with evolution?
[06:06] <revildab[tm] > question: with a recent update to hoary, is it normal to be apt-get upgrading 160mb worth of stuff every 3-5 days?
[06:06] <syn1> im getting some odd odd odd errors with stream tuner
[06:06] <gardion> For some reason I can add a new account but when I try loading the folders it freezes at loading.
[06:06] <bestadvocate> gardion: didnt they disable that back in like 1.5 or something rediculous (its like removing applications:///, i mean reallly!)
[06:06] <syn1> (streamtuner:7449): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_ref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[06:06] <Whiffle> yeah hoary has had lots of updates as of late
[06:07] <syn1> (streamtuner:7449): Pango-CRITICAL **: _pango_engine_shape_covers: assertion `PANGO_IS_FONT (font)' failed
[06:07] <syn1> (streamtuner:7449): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_ref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[06:07] <syn1> (streamtuner:7449): Pango-CRITICAL **: _pango_engine_shape_shape: assertion `PANGO_IS_FONT (font)' failed
[06:07] <syn1> Pango-ERROR **: file shape.c: line 75 (pango_shape): assertion failed: (glyphs->num_glyphs > 0)
[06:07] <MrParker> No such luck
[06:07] <revildab[tm] > thanks, thats what i figured, with the release fast approaching
[06:07] <syn1> anyone know what those errors are associated with??
[06:08] <MrParker> I got 'special device /dev/sda1 could not be found' at the start
[06:08] <gardion> bestadvocate: It seems that you should be able to do it in evolution.  You can add newsgroup accounts
[06:08] <Arnia> bestadvocate: applications:/// was removed because of the change to using freedesktop.org's menu specs... they're in the process of building a replacement
[06:08] <dcraven> membaran151: Does rosegarden do what you need?
[06:08] <akk> syn1: Fonts, generally.
[06:08] <syn1> akk: and how do i get em?
[06:08] <bestadvocate> Arnia: it would IMHO be more responsible to remove it _after_ a replacement was around
[06:09] <cef> what's the best way to add a user to a group, without killing all the existing groups they're a member of? (for usermod, you need to specify all the groups a user is to be a member of)
[06:09] <akk> syn1: It sounds like streamtuner is trying to open fonts that are garbled, but maybe they're just not there.
[06:09] <syn1> akk: hmm..
[06:09] <akk> syn1: I don't know streamtuner; I wonder if it's missing a dependency, or needs a config file tweaked, or something?
[06:10] <jnc> bestadvocate: i vote yes to removing non freedesktop.org stuff on a modern highpower desktop
[06:10] <andrewski> has anyone experienced freezing in hoary with openoffice, galeon, or evolution?  it's driving me up a wall.
[06:10] <Arnia> bestadvocate: Most users don't mess around with the menu layout, and I think it was considered a greater priority to share the same menu spec as XFCE, KDE etc than to have menu editing first time. Time based releases mean prioritising but the rewards for doing that are massive
[06:10] <flodine> whiffle you there
[06:10] <mebaran151> No one can answer my scoring question!
[06:10] <Arnia> Plus the old menu handling code used vfolders :p
[06:10] <andrewski> mebaran151: i can.  a thousand.
[06:10] <revildab[tm] > Question:also, is a 'debian' entry in the gnome applications menu normal for hoary?
[06:10] <mebaran151> oh really
[06:11] <mebaran151> haha
[06:11] <jnc> revildab[tm] : probably not
[06:11] <mebaran151> anyway, anyone know a good app for music notation
[06:11] <Arnia> revildab[tm] : Have you been using debian repositories?
[06:11] <mebaran151> I am wiling to deal with text entry
[06:11] <xMaximex> what should i use to play dvd movie ?
[06:11] <jnc> mebaran151: lilypond ?
[06:11] <bestadvocate> Arnia: it is a _very_ basic funcition though.....  i mean i dont even want to install KDE because of all the clutter it would cause
[06:11] <andrewski> mebaran151: rosegarden?  brahms?  lilypond?
[06:11] <xMaximex> totem-xine and xine does not work
[06:11] <hay> mebaran151: a piece of paper and a pen
[06:11] <mebaran151> hay, haha
[06:11] <revildab[tm] > yeah,  but only for like 2 or 3 packages that ubuntu didnt have
[06:11] <mebaran151> that is what I am doing
[06:11] <hay> lol
[06:11] <flodine> Whiffle you ready
[06:11] <mebaran151> rosegarden never worked
[06:11] <Whiffle> yeah im here, more or less
[06:11] <mebaran151> brahms is sort of weird
[06:11] <dcraven> mebaran151, does this do it? -->http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/
[06:11] <Whiffle> flodine
[06:11] <andrewski> mebaran151: weird?
[06:11] <mebaran151> yeah
[06:12] <dcraven> mebaran151, nevermind.
[06:12] <jnc> mebaran151: lilypond i think is the one that is near perfect
[06:12] <mebaran151> it doesnt do 5 band staving correctly
[06:12] <Arnia> revildab[tm] : Debian likes adding its own menu if you use its repositories.
[06:12] <andrewski> mebaran151: he was kind of conservative, but very good music IMO.
[06:12] <mebaran151> yeah
[06:12] <Arnia> mebaran151: lilypond
[06:12] <mebaran151> haha
[06:12] <Whiffle> yeah im ready
[06:12] <mebaran151> Brahms was genius
[06:12] <flodine> ok 1720 MB in  2.00 seconds = 857.99 MB/sec
[06:12] <revildab[tm] > :\ dammit
[06:12] <mebaran151> amazing harmony
[06:12] <Whiffle> what abou the next number?
[06:12] <flodine> 156 MB in  3.01 seconds =  51.85 MB/sec
[06:12] <revildab[tm] > Arnia: any way to edit that out manually?
[06:12] <mebaran151> but doesnt lilypond need a midi file first
[06:12] <Whiffle> hmm
[06:12] <andrewski> mebaran151: i've heard good things about lilypond (you can see the finished product on their site), but i've never used it myself.
[06:12] <flodine> slow or ok
[06:12] <Whiffle> yeah it should be faster than that, thats exactly what mine gets and I don't have sata
[06:12] <Arnia> mebaran151: No... not at all. Its a proper typesetting system for music
[06:12] <andrewski> mebaran151: no, i'm pretty sure you do it in text.
[06:14] <jnc> mebaran151: lilypond is industrial strength typesetting for music notation
[06:14] <Arnia> mebaran151: It uses latex to do the rendering (its effectively latex macros)
[06:14] <andrewski> so no one has any freezes in hoary? O_o
[06:14] <Whiffle> andrewski, i do, but only if i use xorg composite
[06:14] <jnc> andrewski: i've got my fair share of troubles in hoary/amd64, but i'm waiting until the release is over before i beat up on the developers
[06:14] <dcraven> And LaTeX is sexy.
[06:14] <jnc> ;)
[06:14] <jnc> dcraven++
[06:14] <andrewski> jnc: well, now would be the time to iron out bugs....
[06:14] <flodine> Whiffle and if i move a file or movie to a diffrent drive my sys is slow
[06:14] <jnc> andrewski: not really
[06:14] <jnc> andrewski: devs are too busy
[06:14] <Whiffle> hmm
[06:14] <andrewski> jnc: when better than between RC and final?
[06:14] <Arnia> bestadvocate: It may be a basic function to you, but it isn't a base function (if you see the difference). And like I said, they wanted to move away from the horrible vfolders code and allow the use of cross-DE apps ASAP
[06:14] <SiRrUs> and after they move on to the next release
[06:14] <andrewski> Whiffle: i have it *enabled*, but not using it in any apps....  would that make a difference?
[06:15] <jnc> andrewski: i went through this already.   you should aim for the next release, not this one
[06:15] <Whiffle> xcompmgr is what kills it on mine, i have composite enabled but its not being used
[06:15] <jnc> andrewski: accordingly, the devs are quite busy with getting this release ready
[06:15] <andrewski> Whiffle: and do you have any freezes as such?
[06:15] <bestadvocate> Arnia: I see your point :) it just makes me a little upset, (this whole thing has been urking me for some time, it really hampers the user experinece, expecially with buggy menu entries like d4x :*(
[06:15] <andrewski> jnc: ready for release... wouldn't they want to have as few bugs as possible?  isn't that (part of) the point of running the development version before it's ready?
[06:16] <Arnia> bestadvocate: People have written menu editors for freedesktop.org format menu entries if you really want one now
[06:16] <Whiffle> andrewski, not really, since i stopped runnig xcompmgr,
[06:16] <dcraven> andrewski, do you use inotify?
[06:16] <Whiffle> flodine, you might play with hdparm a bit and make sure you've got all the decent settings on
[06:16] <andrewski> Whiffle: then i'm at a loss....
[06:16] <andrewski> dcraven: no
[06:16] <Whiffle> hmmm
[06:17] <jnc> andrewski: i think their goal is first and foremost to make it install properly, which i hear has been a problem
[06:17] <Arnia> bestadvocate: Its just a typical priority issue. But think, its a time-based release cycle so you know exactly when the next version will be out and until then you have a fairly nice stopgap
[06:17] <jnc> so, other priorities perhaps
[06:17] <flodine> Whiffle where is that at
[06:17] <Whiffle> andrewski, does it freeze in any other os's
[06:17] <Whiffle> flodine, should be installed already, although its a terminal based app
[06:17] <andrewski> Whiffle: uh, no other OSes here. :)  it didn't in gentoo though.
[06:17] <andrewski> jnc: yeah, you're right; those don't qualify as bugs....
[06:17] <Whiffle> hmm
[06:18] <Whiffle> andrewski, yeah mine worked great in gentoo too lol
[06:18] <andrewski> Whiffle: hmm.
[06:18] <Whiffle> andrewski, i was getting some nasty freezes up until today but i reset my bios and its been happy since.
[06:19] <Whiffle> andrewski, you might scroll through the output of "dmesg" and see if theres any obvious errors...
[06:19] <andrewski> Whiffle: problem is that i can use my computer for days but if do specific (and unreproducible) things in specific apps, X freezes.  (i can still ssh in and kill it though.)
[06:19] <Arnia> bestadvocate: Another issue or the same one?
[06:19] <andrewski> Whiffle: would any errors in dmesg be there before it freezes, or only when it does?
[06:19] <sunpascal> hi
[06:20] <Whiffle> andrewski, yes thats ahppened to me, in firefox mostly, but it hasn't done it in the last few hours
[06:20] <sunpascal> I'm new to linux. Can anyone tell me how to create shortcuts in nautilus?
[06:20] <andrewski> Whiffle: hours?  sheesh.
[06:20] <Whiffle> andrewski, well, it used to do it alot more, i havn't had any problems with it since i reset my bios
[06:20] <Whiffle> andrewski, and i didn't have any trouble before some of the more recent updates
[06:20] <Arnia> sunpascal: either right click 'make link' or drag with the middle mouse button to where you want the link to be and select make link from the popup menu that appears
[06:20] <andrewski> Whiffle: so the dmesg errors?  should i look now or when it freezes?
[06:20] <Reblended> should I reformat or can I just wipe my drive first before installing UB?
[06:21] <Whiffle> andrewski, both ? :D
[06:21] <andrewski> Whiffle: fair enough. ^_^
[06:21] <samuel> hello all
[06:22] <samuel> can anyone tell me the password for root on ubuntu? i dont remember puting one in???
[06:22] <samuel> first time on ubuntu for me
[06:22] <Arnia> samuel: You don't have one :)
[06:22] <dcraven> samuel, it's your user password.
[06:22] <Whiffle> it doesn't have one
[06:22] <nomasteryoda> samuel, there is not
[06:22] <Arnia> samuel: Use sudo
[06:22] <samuel> oh
[06:22] <dcraven> samuel, the first user you made. Use sudo.
[06:22] <sunpascal> ok, thanks, arnia. I have no idea why I didn't see this myself...
[06:23] <Espectro> (i bet this is a new question) where is hoary final?
[06:23] <dcraven> Friday.
[06:23] <andrewski> Espectro: not out yet.  see /topic
[06:23] <samuel> ok... im a little fuzzy here... ubuntu doesnt have a root user?
[06:24] <samuel> the first user i made has no access to synaptic
[06:24] <Whiffle> well, it does, but there isn'at a password for it
[06:24] <Espectro> andrewski: i asked because there isn't a topic with this info
[06:24] <andrewski> samuel: you don't switch as such.  you use sudo to gain root privileges temporarily.
[06:24] <jnc> samuel: ubuntu has a root user with disabled password.  use 'sudo bash' to gain root shell instead
[06:24] <RexM> samuel: i was a little confused, as well... i noticed if you enter your user password into synaptic.. it works
[06:24] <saik0> how can I change my gateway and primary DNS IPs from the console?
[06:24] <Whiffle> first thing i did was make a password for root
[06:24] <Espectro> but all right, i was checking all day, and thought it got delayed
[06:24] <andrewski> Espectro: well, as you can see, the topic says the RC is out.  that is, not final. :P
[06:24] <Arnia> There is no need for root
[06:24] <andrewski> saik0: ifconfig
[06:24] <jnc> samuel: the idea is one password for the whole box on most computer installs
[06:24] <Whiffle> saik0, edit /etc/network/interfaces
[06:24] <Espectro> andrewski: well, but it doesn't say "hoary delayed to friday" that should be useful
[06:24] <Arnia> Well... not for most users :)
[06:24] <dcraven> samuel, when you run synaptic as your user it will ask for a password. Enter your user password.
[06:25] <andrewski> Espectro: you said where, not when. :P  i understand you now. ^_^
[06:25] <Reblended> and don't forget it
[06:25] <saik0> andrewski, I tried man ifconfig. maybe I was'nt looking hard enough
[06:25] <Espectro> any idea of the reason of the delay? some showstopper bug?
[06:25] <Whiffle> i like having a root user, i tire of typing sudo all the time
[06:25] <samuel> i see....
[06:25] <andrewski> well, Whiffle's suggestion was also good. :)
[06:25] <dcraven> Yeah, I really wish the delay could be added to the topic.
[06:25] <samuel> i dont like this...
[06:25] <dcraven> Espectro, GNOME 2.10.1
[06:25] <samuel> how do i get root back!!!!!
[06:26] <dcraven> samuel, do a "sudo passwd" to get root back.
[06:26] <Espectro> oh i see
[06:26] <RexM> samuel: check the ubuntu wiki ;)
[06:26] <andrewski> samuel: you have to precede every command with "sudo "
[06:26] <jason_> so when are we going to officially pretend hoary is stable?
[06:26] <closure> or just use root terminal
[06:26] <andrewski> jason_: heh, that's good. :)
[06:26] <dcraven> jason_, Friday.
[06:26] <Espectro> and it wouldn't have made sense to release kubuntu before ubuntu itself...
[06:26] <RexM> hoary is stable for me
[06:26] <samuel> aaahhhhhhh......
[06:26] <samuel> much better
[06:26] <Espectro> seriously guys, add it to the topic
[06:26] <dcraven> Espectro, it's only a couple of days man :)
[06:26] <Espectro> it SHOULD be there
[06:26] <samuel> i like root
[06:26] <RexM> lol
[06:26] <andrewski> samuel: got it now?
[06:26] <Whiffle> samuel, i agree, i hate sudo
[06:26] <samuel> feel safer
[06:26] <samuel> yes
[06:27] <andrewski> samuel: yeah, i like root too, but i understand the use of sudo too.
[06:27] <closure> samuel, umm it's definitely not safer
[06:27] <samuel> thanks for the help guys...
[06:27] <closure> you can screw yourself up real nice
[06:27] <andrewski> closure: you couldn't do that with sudo?
[06:27] <samuel> closure, i know, but i use a real easy password on my normal user account...
[06:27] <closure> andrewski, yeah but it seems harder to me when you have to type sudo and think aobut it
[06:27] <samuel> so...
[06:28] <pussfeller> its harder to screw up when you have to type sudo before each command
[06:28] <Arnia> All passwords should be hard to guess :)
[06:28] <closure> *shrugs* lol use a better pass?
[06:28] <andrewski> closure: well, a good lesson is to think about every command you type as root. :)
[06:28] <samuel> the ubuntu wiki is a good place to start after switching from debian?
[06:28] <closure> andrewski, yeah
[06:28] <closure> that's what i was implying
[06:28] <Whiffle> i'm used to doing everything as root under gentoo, and i much prefer it to typing sudo all the time
[06:28] <closure> root terminal/root login you can easily break stuff
[06:28] <andrewski> closure: but typing five characters doesn't really help that AND is a nuisance. :P
[06:28] <Espectro> i like macosx approach, it caches sudo for a few minutes
[06:28] <pussfeller> if you ever deleted everything cause you accidently added a "/" to something....
[06:28] <Espectro> so i dont have to type it each second
[06:28] <samuel> i quite like the way the menus are arranged
[06:28] <Whiffle> and for one thing... sudo doesnt' seem to work with autocomplete..
[06:29] <andrewski> Espectro: doesn't sudo?
[06:29] <samuel> very nice "out of the box"
[06:29] <closure> andrewski, yeah i just figure the nuisance of it will teach you to stay out of root unless you damn well need to do something
[06:29] <andrewski> Whiffle: yeah... :(
[06:29] <pussfeller> type the command then press home and type sudo
[06:29] <Espectro> andrewski: err, now that you say it, it *should*, i guess i am nuts
[06:29] <andrewski> closure: well, if you need to do many somethings, it's downright counterproductive.
[06:29] <thully> I have a question about ripping CDs - I've been ripping with lame, and this seems slower than iTunes on Windows.  Is it supposed to be like that?
[06:29] <Espectro> heh
[06:29] <Espectro> perhaps that cache time could be increased to please some guys
[06:30] <dcraven> Espectro, all sudos do that.
[06:30] <closure> andrewski, yeah it most certainly is. but if you don't know what you're doing you're better off taking your time to begin with
[06:30] <andrewski> thully: you may be encoding with lame, but not ripping....
[06:30] <andrewski> closure: "taking your time" to think about what you do as root. :P
[06:30] <thully> OK - ripping then encoding with lame, I meant
[06:30] <Espectro> yeah i know like i said i was nuts
[06:30] <Whiffle> yeah ill keep root
[06:30] <andrewski> closure: sorry, i'm not trying to troll; sudo's use just seems limited.
[06:30] <closure> andrewski, i'm agreeing with you i was just letting him know being logged in as root it's not safe
[06:30] <Whiffle> thully, i use "abcde" its wonderful once you get it setup
[06:30] <thully> what's that do?
[06:30] <pussfeller> grip is nice too
[06:31] <Whiffle> its a ripping/encoding app
[06:31] <andrewski> closure: *potentially* not safe, but there are simple precautions.
[06:31] <Espectro> back on friday i guess... see ya
[06:31] <Whiffle> terminal
[06:31] <andrewski> thully: well, it'll depend on your ripper then.  cdparanoia takes a while, but it tries to avoid errors in ripped files.
[06:31] <kurros> thully: lame may take a bit longer than itunes encoder (i think it uses bladeenc?) for quality reasons. but make sure your cd-rom drive is using DMA as well
[06:31] <Whiffle> i've got it setup so when I put in a cd, it automatically grabs everything off CDDB, and starts ripping to my music directory in 192 kbps mp3 :D
[06:31] <andrewski> thully: i'd recommend grip.
[06:31] <andrewski> (too)
[06:31] <mebaran151> hey
[06:32] <mebaran151> I need to get midi working on my PC now
[06:32] <umarmung> andrewski: you mean su is limited compared to sudo
[06:32] <mebaran151> I have an Audigy 2
[06:32] <dcraven> Oh yeah damn the no DMA default.
[06:32] <andrewski> umarmung: obviously, that's not what i meant.
[06:32] <umarmung> andrewski: well but it is, there is nothing you cannot do with sudo
[06:32] <mebaran151> it compalins that I dont have an Emu Hwdep device loaded
[06:32] <jnc> sudo is not intrusive
[06:32] <jnc> w/ a proper keyring it works well to improve security habits
[06:32] <mebaran151> what module provides the emu synth
[06:32] <umarmung> andrewski: but there are some tricks you cannot do with su
[06:32] <thully> OK - I actually was fooling with FAAC, trying to get AAC encoding working - but, I can't get iPod compatible files out of it  - so, I guess I'll stick with MP3
[06:33] <andrewski> umarmung: yes, but it's limited to one-command invocations.  without tab completion, it's a nuisance.
[06:33] <umarmung> andrewski: sudo -s
[06:33] <umarmung> andrewski: sudo su , whatever you want, chose!
[06:33] <samuel_> aaaaaaah! this is just too sweet! there is no KDE installed!!!
[06:34] <thully> How do you turn on DMA?
[06:34] <jnc> thully: perhaps 'hdparm'
[06:34] <akk> thully: hdparm /dev/whatever -d1
[06:34] <akk> (If it works.  Sometimes it refuses.)
[06:34] <andrewski> samuel_: why is this so sweet?
[06:34] <pussfeller> no apt-get install enemy-territory?
[06:35] <iGN> Hey.
[06:35] <andrewski> pussfeller: i downloaded it and it installed just fine; i don't think they can because of licensing.
[06:35] <dcraven> thully, hardparm /dev/hdc will tell you if it is already enabled (assuming /dev/hdc is hte correct optical drive)
[06:35] <kakalto> Artemis3, are you in?
[06:35] <mebaran151> my hdparm never works
[06:35] <mebaran151> it always compalins of an deprecated ioctl
[06:35] <andrewski> mebaran151: do you have it set up wrong?
[06:35] <mebaran151> what do I do
[06:35] <thully> is the way to enable it by default?
[06:35] <ekwinix> hey guys, how do i modify what i see when i right click on my desktop?
[06:35] <mebaran151> I dont know
[06:36] <pussfeller> im emerging it, so it cant be liscencing... maybe they dont wanna clog the bandwidth with huge games
[06:36] <thully> s/the/there a
[06:36] <andrewski> pussfeller: but you can emerge sun's java too....  can't do that in ubuntu.
[06:36] <Whiffle> i kind of miss portage :D
[06:36] <samuel_> andrewski, im not a fan of KDE... i guess its just a personal thing... sorry...
[06:36] <kakalto> me too
[06:36] <pussfeller> it has its really good points
[06:36] <Levander> Anyway to know when hoary will stop being a "release candidate" and just start being a regular release?
[06:36] <kakalto> 8th
[06:37] <Whiffle> Levander, very soon..
[06:37] <Levander> cool, is there a web page or something that says that?
[06:37] <andrewski> samuel_: no problem, i don't use it either.  i was just wondering why you were so happy it's not installed.  was it before?  did you come from another distro?
[06:37] <ekwinix> damnit. i just used some of my quota getting warty :/
[06:37] <tritium> Levander, Friday
[06:37] <Levander> i've looked, can't find
[06:37] <pussfeller> but kde takes a day on this box, and the last 2 times, crashed my computer on compiling.. dont ask me how
[06:37] <kakalto> Levander, do a search at the top of ubuntulinux.org for release
[06:37] <andrewski> pussfeller: are you on ubuntu?
[06:37] <Whiffle> xfce is the way of the future! :D
[06:37] <pussfeller> my other box is
[06:37] <andrewski> Whiffle: Xfce!  hear hear!
[06:38] <pussfeller> this one will be soon, i imagine
[06:38] <Whiffle> lol xfce made my day the 2nd time i installed it
[06:38] <kakalto> yay for xfce
[06:38] <Levander> Friday? The repositories will probably hosed all weekend.  Haven't checked, can I upgrade Ubuntu off the sunsite mirrors?
[06:38] <Whiffle> tried all the *boxes , too minimal, and gnome/kde are too bloat for me...
[06:38] <closure> so
[06:38] <Levander> kakalto: did that search, don't see any page that says "releasing the 8th"
[06:38] <andrewski> Whiffle: yes, indeed.
[06:39] <closure> i've been using synaptic to install stuff and nothing is showing up on my menu's
[06:39] <closure> any ideas?
[06:39] <closure> i'm in kubuntu
[06:39] <kakalto> Levander, look at the links, one is a calender
[06:39] <samuel_> andrewski, the first distro i tried a looooong time ago was mandrake... didnt like it then... dont like it now
[06:39] <Whiffle> samiam, me too
[06:39] <dcraven> thully, put something like this in /etc/hdparm.conf to make it permanent --> http://www.pastebin.com/268285
[06:39] <andrewski> samuel_: i wondered.  me too. :)
[06:39] <Whiffle> samuel, yeah i never got mandrake to work right for me
[06:40] <andrewski> closure: are you installing kde apps?
[06:40] <closure> well yeah
[06:40] <reed> I can't burn the hoary live iso
[06:40] <pussfeller> it never upgraded properly when I tried it, even after the initial install
[06:40] <closure> i mean x apps
[06:40] <closure> bitchx-gtk and just now qtorrent
[06:40] <ekwinix> samuel_: when i right click on my desktop and then click "open terminal" is there a way of finding out what that actually does? and can i edit what i see on that right click? there has to be aconfig file somewhere...?
[06:40] <reed> it burns really fast but then the CD doesn't complete the install
[06:40] <andrewski> closure: well, perhaps the menu needs to be regenerated?  dunno how....
[06:40] <reed> i think it doesn't copy the cloop file correctly
[06:40] <reed> I'm using Hoary to burn it
[06:40] <Arnia> Whiffle: re su/sudo -- use sudo -s then
[06:40] <closure> andrewski, yeah i'd imagine maybe a reboot would do it
[06:41] <tritium> closure, not every app has a proper .desktop file yet to comply with freedesktop.org standards, so they won't all show up in menus
[06:41] <Whiffle> mm?
[06:41] <closure> but that takes far too much time
[06:41] <Arnia> It creates a root shell without needing to open up root to the outside
[06:41] <andrewski> closure: a logout should suffice.
[06:41] <Xeon3D> Apparently Ubuntu has a flaw while playing flash movies...
[06:41] <dcraven> reed, turn down the burn speed a bit?
[06:41] <Whiffle> ah
[06:41] <Whiffle> eh
[06:41] <closure> well then it doesn't work
[06:41] <Levander> kakalto: okay, found it, i'd actually seen that before, but looked like it had been written a while ago.  I've never seen a software schedule being taken seriously any longer than a month or two (i'm a software developer for a living), so I just ignored it.
[06:41] <andrewski> closure: don't reboot if you don't have to... and you usually don't unless you upgrade your kernel. :)
[06:41] <samuel_> hmm... php-mysql isnt in the packages... if i put the debian in there is it ok?
[06:41] <Whiffle> i'm a su person
[06:41] <samuel_> ekwinix, you can make a nautilus script
[06:41] <andrewski> ekwinix: in preferred applications, pick a terminal.  i bet that'd do the trick.
[06:41] <Arnia> Whiffle: alias sudo -s to su then :)
[06:41] <kakalto> Levander, it's probably been updated fairly recently
[06:41] <Whiffle> lol
[06:41] <reed> ok i'll try it
[06:42] <Levander> are they still making updates to hoary?  If we go ahead and upgrade now is it gonna be 100% the same stuff?  Or, is it gonna be 99.99% the same stuff?  How serious are the issues they are still working on?
[06:42] <andrewski> Arnia: why not alias su to sudo -s?  save typing....
[06:42] <Arnia> andrewski: That's what I meant to say :)
[06:42] <andrewski> Arnia: ah. ^_^
[06:42] <Arnia> andrewski: I always reverse stuff like that :/
[06:43] <kakalto> Levander, I expect 99.99%
[06:43] <bestadvocate> hey why does my swap drive in cfdisk say "swap / Solaris"?
[06:43] <ekwinix> andrewski: HOLLA! gnome-terminal - got it in one. cheers ;)
[06:43] <kakalto> but, Levander, I think you could upgrade now, then just update in a few days
[06:43] <andrewski> ekwinix: don't holla, it's late here and people are sleeping. :P
[06:43] <Levander> kakalto: but u have any reason to believe this? u've seen the developer's mailing list where they've talked about it?
[06:43] <Levander> the more people who've upgraded before me, i figure the less bugs I find
[06:43] <andrewski> Levander: that's what i'd recommend too; the reps are bound to be busy when it's officially released.
[06:44] <kakalto> heheh
[06:44] <Levander> andrewski: who are the reps?
[06:44] <kakalto> repositories
[06:44] <andrewski> Levander: no, the repositories... what you sync with.
[06:44] <Levander> ahhhh
[06:44] <SpyD> Hi all, I have configured nyself into a bad corner, can anyone tell me how to disable the screensaver from a terminal?
[06:44] <jnc> Levander: ;)
[06:44] <andrewski> Levander: i think it's safe to assume 99.9% since they put it off a few days.  obviously, they're not done. :P
[06:44] <jnc> Holla at this representin' gnome-terminal
[06:44] <chibifs> Jungle Boogie, doodldadoo doodldadoo?
[06:44] <samuel_> is there any way to change the gnome menus?
[06:44] <jnc> samuel_: yes, and no
[06:45] <bj_> hello, is anyone runniing the new nvidia drivers in hoary? 7174 i think
[06:45] <Levander> u know i just found the ubuntu mirrors, i wonder why they're not just using sunsite?  Their are sunsite mirrors everywhere and most distributions are in susite.  At least last I checked, it's been a couple of years.
[06:45] <jnc> samuel_: it's being worked on as part of the freedesktop.org spec
[06:45] <andrewski> bj_: me.
[06:45] <samuel_> jnc, hmmm......
[06:45] <chibifs> Indeed, bj_, and Flawlessly.
[06:45] <jnc> samuel_: the people to beat up on are in #freedesktop
[06:45] <samuel_> jnc, so not yet?
[06:45] <reed> does the hoary live cd have the capability of installing hoary?  if so what is the difference between it and the hoary install cd?
[06:45] <andrewski> jnc: why so?
[06:45] <bj_> andrewski, can you use xcompmgr or will you desktop lock up
[06:45] <kakalto> reed, no, livecd can't install, I don't think
[06:45] <jnc> samuel_: Ubuntu will follow whatever the grand high nerd decrees is the way to manage menus on modern desktops
[06:45] <andrewski> bj_: my desktop's been locking up occasionally without it. :P
[06:45] <kakalto> reed, it's gentoo's livecds that can install
[06:45] <jnc> his/her nerdliness, if you will
[06:46] <samuel_> jnc, hahahahaha
[06:46] <andrewski> jnc: why is that a #freedesktop concern?
[06:46] <jnc> sorry
[06:46] <jnc> a bit of a pope saturation here in the states
[06:46] <reed> kakalto, thanks
[06:46] <Burgundavia> reed: live cd can't install, but the live cd and the install cd use the same hardware detection, and thus should work and look the same
[06:46] <jnc> it's everywhere.   makes me say things i don't really mean
[06:46] <kakalto> reed, no problem ;)
[06:47] <bj_> andrewski,  niice haha. well im concerned because i cant get into KDE because i set  it to use compostiting features, and plus xcompmgr looks good.
[06:47] <kakalto> although, Burgundavia, the livecd screwed up my mouse, but did the install? No.
[06:47] <jnc> andrewski: freedesktop makes it so, ubuntu follows suit
[06:47] <andrewski> bj_: well, turn it off?
[06:47] <Burgundavia> kakalto: then that would be a bug
[06:47] <bj_> oh its off
[06:47] <andrewski> jnc: but gnome doesn't provide an editor.  why is that freedesktop's concern?
[06:47] <kakalto> the livecd isn't directly ubuntu, is it?
[06:47] <bj_> but it shouldnt be!
[06:47] <Burgundavia> jnc, andrewski: techically, freedesktop says what goes, gnome follows, ubuntu follows gnome
[06:47] <Burgundavia> insert kde where gnome is as well
[06:47] <andrewski> Burgundavia: yes, i'm not confused there.
[06:48] <synd> ugh im getting an error while trying to upgrade
[06:48] <andrewski> Burgundavia: i don't understand why jnc is saying to bug freedesktop for not providing a menu editor in gnome.
[06:48] <Burgundavia> that is not freedesktops problem
[06:48] <synd> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem
[06:48] <Burgundavia> it is gnome's problem
[06:48] <SpyD> i have configed a screensafer that my video card does not like, so the second i open the screensaver config dialog my desktop locks up, I have a minute or so then the saver kicks in and locks me up, so i really need to fins where the setting is stored in a config file and change it via terminal or text editor :(
[06:48] <andrewski> Burgundavia: yes, i know.
[06:48] <synd> so i do dpkg -- configure -a and it just sits there
[06:48] <Burgundavia> and it mask the underlying issue, which is that the packages need to be updated to include .desktop files
[06:49] <andrewski> Burgundavia: i have a menu editor in Xfce.  it's called gvim. :D
[06:49] <synd> Setting up openoffice.org-gtk-gnome (1.1.3-8ubuntu2) ... // debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process // run-parts: /usr/share/openoffice.org-debian-files/hooks/postinst.d/prelink exite d with return code 1
[06:49] <synd> dpkg: error processing openoffice.org-gtk-gnome (--configure): // subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 // Setting up sound-juicer (2.10.1-0ubuntu1) ...
[06:49] <synd> and it just sits there
[06:50] <RexM> synd: i believe the term for that is, PWNED ;x
[06:50] <synd> synd: right
[06:50] <synd> RexM: right
[06:50] <kakalto> could someone please help me? I have no support for japanese input when logged in in english, but if I log in in japanese, it works?
[06:51] <RexM> that actually make sense to me... but.. i dunno, i'm no linux expert
[06:51] <bestadvocate> see yah persones
[06:51] <isam> good morning all .. there is this issue that I had been facing for some time .. when using the Nvidia driver, KDE 3.4 fails to login .. the whole system hangs up at KDE Splash showing time
[06:51] <bj_> OK another one. howcome the memory usage panel applet  doesnt report the right amount.
[06:51] <jnc> kakalto: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[06:51] <isam> when I switch from nvidia to nv things work fine
[06:51] <bj_> It goes up to 100% usage sometimes
[06:51] <kakalto> jnc, thanks
[06:52] <isam> and when I use a light Window Managers things go fine as well
[06:52] <jnc> kakalto: good luck.  i have a korean friend and worked with him to make korean work on ubuntu
[06:52] <kakalto> doesn't work
[06:52] <jnc> kakalto: it's easier than it is for most distros, but still takes some work
[06:52] <kakalto> I already have the japanese locale installed
[06:53] <jnc> jp_*UTF8  something like that
[06:53] <kakalto> I already installed it
[06:53] <jnc> hmmm
[06:54] <jnc> not sure.   sleepy time for jnc
[06:54] <kakalto> g'night jnc
[06:54] <kakalto> thanks anyway
[06:56] <kkathman> good evening all :)
[06:56] <kakalto> good afternoon.
[06:56] <kkathman> and good afternoon to you too :)
[06:57] <Whiffle> its almost midnight here...yall are crazy!
[06:57] <kakalto> I don't suppose you know much about lanugage support?
[06:57] <kkathman> ditto here Whiffle :)
[06:57] <Myrtti> morning all
[06:57] <kakalto> specifically, japanese?
[06:57] <mlambie> it's 1PM here :)
[06:57] <kakalto> someone had to :P
[06:57] <mlambie> and i'm going to work
[06:57] <mlambie> byebye
[06:57] <kkathman> kakalto, Im never quite sure what to say...perhaps "Good Day?"
[06:57] <Whiffle> how about "hello"
[06:57] <kakalto> hehe
[06:57] <kakalto> or "hi"
[06:57] <kkathman> LOL
[06:58] <kakalto> or "yo, wazzup niggas"
[06:58] <kkathman> ROFL
[06:58] <Whiffle> i like that last one
[06:58] <kakalto> (no offence intended or reccomended)
[06:58] <Reblended>  does ubuntu has a kind of sleep mode?
[06:58] <Whiffle> "yo wazzup homies, hows the cheese?"
[06:58] <Burgundavia> kakalto: I realize none intended, but it is best to avoid such talk
[06:58] <Whiffle> Reblended , i'm not sure, it might..depends on your hardware
[06:58] <kkathman> wazzup ma brothas?
[06:58] <kakalto> Burgundavia, true that.
[06:59] <Myrtti> sexual inequality
[06:59] <Myrtti> what about me
[06:59] <root__> hi
[06:59] <Burgundavia> salut root__
[06:59] <kkathman> hmm good point Myrtti I apologize whole heartedly :)
[06:59] <root__> Does anyone here know how where I can find E17 debs ?
[06:59] <Myrtti> \o/
[07:00] <Burgundavia> root__: E17 hasn't been released yet, afaik
[07:00] <Reblended> Whiffle: sounds like most people just leave their machine running... hmm no one likes standby or hibernate?
[07:00] <kkathman> I woke up this morning to 118 updates from yesterday to Hoary...that was alot I thought :)
[07:00] <root__> I know there are .debs that are upgraded every while or so.
[07:00] <root__> There are Ubuntu users that have them.
[07:00] <Whiffle> I shut mine off at night, my hardware doesn't do standby well
[07:00] <Reblended> ic
[07:00] <pussfeller> is it "nohide" you use for exports when you have differnt parttions mounted on a share and you want to share them all
[07:00] <Reblended> thx
[07:00] <Whiffle> if i have something to download or compile ill let it run
[07:00] <Burgundavia> the ones in hoary are E16
[07:00] <Whiffle> but it takes less than a minute to boot so I dont really worry about it
[07:01] <Burgundavia> root__: http://xcomputerman.com/pages/archives/2003/03/02/e17-debian-packages/
[07:01] <Whiffle> although its great in the winter to keep my dorm room warm :D
[07:01] <Burgundavia> root__: just be careful about what you install and from where
[07:01] <kkathman> best to stay within the Ubuntu/Debian family I suspect
[07:01] <root__> Or CVS.
[07:01] <root__> Well my system isn't mission critical.
[07:02] <kkathman> true that
[07:02] <root__> The only reason I'm not using Gentoo is because I don't have time to compile everything, and GRP has bad support.
[07:02] <Dethread> the only thing I like about Gentoo are the forums
[07:02] <kkathman> Have heard only bits and pieces about Gentoo actually
[07:02] <Whiffle> gentoo forums rock
[07:02] <Whiffle> i still use them sometimes
[07:02] <kakalto> the reason I don't use gentoo is my soundcard isn't supported :(
[07:02] <pussfeller> good tuts and how toos
[07:03] <Whiffle> only thing I didn't stick with gentoo is i got lazy and tired of compiling, other than that i lvoed it
[07:03] <Reblended> http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl1_apmsleep.htm  < does this write the ram to the HD?
[07:03] <synd> whats the lib i need for xmms to work with mp3s and such?
[07:03] <kkathman> yeah Im not into doing a ton of compiling
[07:03] <root__> Gentoo is great.
[07:03] <pussfeller> im just tired of having to fix things and configure things
[07:03] <root__> Does anyone know any Gensplash like thing I could get going for Ubuntu ?
[07:03] <pussfeller> im tired tired tired of it
[07:03] <root__> Well for new hardware Gentoo is great.
[07:04] <root__> I'm 16 and Gentoo was easiest for me.
[07:04] <kkathman> I tried RH9, Libranet, FC3 and now Ubuntu, and the latter seems to be best for me and my environment at least for now
[07:04] <kakalto> FC3 was alright
[07:04] <Whiffle> yeah once I figured out what hardware I had, gentoo was smoooth for me
[07:04] <kakalto> but there was something funny about it
[07:04] <scottj> anyone know how to change /proc/cpufreq from userspace to performance?
[07:04] <kkathman> FC3 was heavy tho
[07:04] <Whiffle> root__ , usplash
[07:04] <Reblended>  suspend2disk  ... will this write the current RAM to the Harddisk... ?
[07:04] <kakalto> maybe I'm just not used to a bloated distro
[07:04] <synd> ughh how do i get music player to play radio streams...
[07:04] <synd> it just freezes on me
[07:05] <kkathman> synd what player are you using?
[07:05] <synd> i need some sort of lib and i cant remember what it is
[07:05] <scottj> anyone know how to make firefox pretend to be IE (have it tell the web servers it's IE)
[07:05] <synd> kkathman: Music Player
[07:05] <Whiffle> Reblended , I think what you're looking for is "swsusp2"
[07:05] <kkathman> synd, you might need the gstreamer player
[07:05] <synd> kkathman: xmms does the same thing
[07:05] <Reblended> I use dBpowerAMP
[07:05] <Reblended>  to rip
[07:05] <synd> kkathman: yeah, thats it
[07:05] <kkathman> sorry not player, engine
[07:05] <Reblended> Whiffle: thx man
[07:06] <synd> kkathman: i cant remember what the whole engine name was
[07:06] <root__> So about E17
[07:06] <kkathman> gstreamer08 something..you can find it with apt-cache search
[07:06] <root__> Who knows where I can go about that ?
[07:06] <santiago> hi, anyone could help to verify a broken dependency for sl-modem-daemon ?
[07:06] <Burgundavia> root__: read the 3rd comment on that page
[07:06] <pussfeller> gstreamer plugins?
[07:06] <Burgundavia> santiago: sure
[07:06] <Reblended> dbpowerAMP ignores copy protection
[07:06] <chazwurth> root__: I installed it from cvs on a Debian box some weeks ago, wasn't too hard
[07:06] <chazwurth> root__: which isn't to say that everything worked smoothly :P
[07:06] <scottj> Burgundavia, what page?
[07:06] <kkathman> I couldnt ever get Amarok to play CD's with any engine, but everything else did, and Kaffeine does radio streams too
[07:07] <Burgundavia> santiago: confirmed
[07:07] <Burgundavia> santiago: file in Malone
[07:07] <ryman> Burgundavia, can you help me with the sound ?
[07:07] <Burgundavia> santiago: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[07:07] <santiago> Burgundavia, thanks
[07:07] <Burgundavia> scottj: http://xcomputerman.com/pages/archives/2003/03/02/e17-debian-packages/
[07:07] <kkathman> Linux sound seems to be the biggest bugaboo
[07:08] <santiago> Burgundavia, i haven't reported a bug in ubuntu
[07:08] <Burgundavia> santiago: that is for Universe stuff
[07:08] <Burgundavia> santiago: bugzilla.ubuntu.com for anything that is in main
[07:08] <santiago> is that malone?
[07:09] <Burgundavia> santiago: malone != bugzilla
[07:09] <Burgundavia> malone is the new replacement
[07:09] <santiago> Burgundavia, i see...
[07:10] <pussfeller> anyone using mpd on ubuntu?
[07:10] <santiago> Burgundavia, the reportbug doesn't work?
[07:10] <Burgundavia> santiago: are you signed in?
[07:10] <Burgundavia> santiago: malone is very beta at this point
[07:10] <kakalto> what are some kde media players?
[07:10] <Reblended> hoary hedgehog is latest?
[07:10] <santiago> Burgundavia, signed where?
[07:10] <Burgundavia> it is being tested by the universe stuff, then the main stuff will be moved over
[07:10] <Burgundavia> santiago: logged in
[07:10] <scottj> so what happened to hoary today? did they find some release critical bug?
[07:11] <Burgundavia> Reblended: yes, hoary is almost released. should be this friday
[07:11] <kakalto> or saturday for me :(
[07:11] <Burgundavia> scottj: moved back to allow testing of Gnome 2.10.1
[07:11] <santiago> Burgundavia, not yet, loggin in...
[07:11] <Reblended> oh wait... I'm looking at 5.04 release candidate?
[07:11] <ryman> Burgundavia, is it mean by this friday. the sound is going to work ?
[07:11] <kkathman> Reblended, yes
[07:11] <Burgundavia> Reblended: there is newer
[07:12] <Reblended> so, the live cd candidate is ok to give it a go.. and I can wait till Friday?
[07:12] <ryman> do i need to download new one or I can just update the package from my comp ?
[07:12] <kkathman> Reblended, you could download and burn the CD, then just get the updates to bring it up to date
[07:12] <Reblended> oh sweet
[07:12] <ryman> oh
[07:12] <Wyld> i'm thinking of using esd .. so i can have multiple streams going through like teamspeak, xmms, and a game (usually WoW or NWN at the moment) .. any advice?
[07:12] <Reblended> ok.. may I install from the live cd as well?
[07:12] <scottj> Burgundavia, boy am I glad I didn't wait for the release to install it
[07:12] <HrdwrBoB> Wyld: buy a soundblaster live :)
[07:13] <HrdwrBoB> (no, I'm serious)
[07:13] <kkathman> Reblended, well you can try it from the Live CD, but it wont physically install it to your hard drive
[07:13] <Reblended> oh.. bummer.. ok thx
[07:13] <Wyld> hehehe .. i'm using my onboard sound .. nforce2, so whilst its not a SB, its not half bad
[07:13] <pussfeller> ryman alot of stuff in the reposotories is different than what on the rc disk, so you could just dist-upgrade
[07:13] <pussfeller> that might fix your problem
[07:14] <HrdwrBoB> Wyld: no the point is, a soundblaster live is reasonably cheap and the driver allows multiple streams at once
[07:14] <ryman> dist-upgrade ?
[07:14] <Wyld> ahh kay
[07:14] <pussfeller> yes, it updates everything
[07:14] <chazwurth> and the sound is great
[07:14] <HrdwrBoB> so realistically that's the best option
[07:14] <ryman> oh
[07:14] <ryman> i've been updating. I just downloaded and installed 97 packages today
[07:14] <scottj> anyone know of a really good game for linux that's not very well known? The best one I've been able to find is cube (http://wouter.fov120.com/cube/), but I'd like something new.
[07:14] <Whiffle> i got my santa cruz for 12 bucks, its made me smile :D
[07:14] <e_machinist> Hey, has anyone gotten MOHAA running under Ubuntu?
[07:15] <Wyld> time to go searching me thinks
[07:15] <kkathman> Wyld I saw a few on eBay recently
[07:15] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: Do you have a link to the installer?
[07:15] <pussfeller> what kinda card is it anyways
[07:15] <HrdwrBoB> you can get them for $35AU iirc
[07:15] <Burgundavia> scottj: try glest
[07:16] <pussfeller> scottj, enemy territory fortress
[07:16] <Burgundavia> scottj: neverball?
[07:16] <Reblended> you can't play 3D windows games on ubuntu!
[07:16] <Reblended> no way
[07:16] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, http://www.icculus.org/~ravage/mohaa
[07:16] <EvilIdler> scottj: There's also a UFO clone with the Quake engine
[07:16] <Whiffle> sure you can
[07:16] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: Cheers. I'll see if I have the box somewhere around here :)
[07:16] <Whiffle> wine, cedega..
[07:16] <e_machinist> Anyone know how to get MOHAA to actually run under Ubuntu? It installs fine, SDL always gives me the error that it can't start the opengl subsystem.
[07:17] <pussfeller> both the serious sam games work with icculus patches
[07:17] <Whiffle> i had Warcraft 3, MOH, etc under regular wine in gentoo, havn't triedi n ubuntu
[07:17] <Reblended> ubuntu will make me the enemy of Bill?
[07:17] <Whiffle> anyway im out, tired
[07:17] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: It's based on the Quake 3 engine, isn't it?
[07:17] <e_machinist> Reblended, I'm using the linux build of MOHAA.
[07:17] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, yes.
[07:17] <Reblended> e_machinist: looking it up
[07:17] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: Investigate the +ref_gl flag while I try to find my game :)
[07:17] <pussfeller> if you have an actual error, you could try #icculus
[07:17] <Whiffle> one of these days im going to completely blow away my windows partition, but that won't be till after college :(
[07:17] <scottj> EvilIdler, what's UFO?
[07:18] <Reblended> I'm not a gamer, just had that question
[07:18] <e_machinist> +ref_gl flag? oh man... I don't know where that would be located at.
[07:18] <Reblended> what are RPMs?
[07:18] <Reblended> packages?
[07:18] <pussfeller> yes
[07:19] <Reblended> ah
[07:19] <kakalto> for red hat, fedora, mandrake, etc.
[07:19] <Reblended> ty
[07:19] <pussfeller> red hat, mandrake, tohers
[07:19] <EvilIdler> scottj: UFO:Enemy Unknown, also known as XCOM, is one of the greatest turn-based tactical/strategy games ever. Some people wrote a nice clone, which you shoud find from linuxgames.com or happypenguin.org
[07:19] <Reblended> ohhhyes
[07:19] <Burgundavia> scottj: look for ufoai
[07:19] <Reblended> I remember xcom! had it on a 3.5
[07:20] <EvilIdler> Reblended: I've bought the game many times over, whenever a new system came along :)
[07:20] <Reblended> lol EI
[07:20] <Reblended> I've never owned a console
[07:20] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, where is the +ref_gl flag located at?
[07:20] <Reblended> only pc's
[07:20] <Burgundavia> UFO is a serious cult game. There has never been a good sequel
[07:20] <santiago> bye ubuntu
[07:20] <santiago> Burgundavia, thanks
[07:20] <Reblended> l8r sant
[07:20] <Burgundavia> santiago: np
[07:21] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: It can be added to the command line, or in the base/config file, I think
[07:21] <santiago> ubuntu's great
[07:21] <ryman> Burgundavia, if I install warty will my sound work ?
[07:21] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: Downloading now, and I found the CDs
[07:21] <ryman> and is it easy to upgrade to hoary later on ?
[07:21] <e_machinist> base/config would be in the MOHAA install directory?
[07:21] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: Either that, or if Icculus was awake, in your home directory
[07:21] <vessuvius> anyone running hoary yet? I'm installing it now
[07:22] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: Might be a .loki folder, .mohaa or something
[07:22] <Reblended> linux halflife is opensource?
[07:22] <EvilIdler> vessuvius: Lots of people running Hoary here :)
[07:22] <EvilIdler> Reblended: Nope
[07:22] <vessuvius> cool :)
[07:22] <Reblended> ahh k
[07:22] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, by default the game installs in /home/username/mohaa folder
[07:22] <EvilIdler> Reblended: There's no source released for the actual HL engine
[07:22] <vessuvius> I've installed a bunch of distros over the past week or so...
[07:22] <Reblended> ic
[07:22] <e_machinist> the .mohaa etc would be hidden I assume.
[07:22] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: No such thing as hidden to the command line :)
[07:23] <hay> vessuvius: u should've waited until friday when the stable release comes out
[07:23] <e_machinist> True. haha.
[07:23] <stuNNed> e_machinist LOL funny nick :)
[07:23] <Reblended> commands easy to learn in UB?
[07:23] <e_machinist> stuNNed, why is it funny?
[07:23] <kakalto> how do I make the uim input method switcher be on by default?
[07:23] <vessuvius> oh well :)
[07:23] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: You're not sickly thin, by any chance?
[07:23] <e_machinist> nope.
[07:23] <kakalto> ?
[07:23] <stuNNed> e_machinist as in emachines machinist?  the way i read it...sorry
[07:24] <Reblended> how to play dvd's in ubuntu?
[07:24] <Reblended> Ogle?
[07:24] <wezzer> ogle is one alternative, yes
[07:24] <EvilIdler> Reblended: Ogle, VLC, Xine, MPlayer, and more
[07:24] <wezzer> is hoary released?
[07:24] <Reblended> tx EI
[07:25] <EvilIdler> wezzer: Tomorrow
[07:25] <vessuvius> I kept having problems with bind on fedora, could get it to resolve on the dns server, but not on my other machines, so I was lookin around and thought I'd just start the whole thing over again with ubuntu
[07:25] <ice_1963> go get fadora
[07:25] <wezzer> EvilIdler: ok, thanks
[07:25] <EvilIdler> vessuvius: Do you need full bind? I know I've seen some minimal workalikes
[07:26] <Reblended> wezzer: Friday
[07:26] <Reblended> (almost Tomorrow)
[07:26] <vessuvius> EvilIdler... I just wanted a very small local domain... a couple machines
[07:27] <pussfeller> dnsmasq is pretty cool, dont know how it stacks up to major dns needs tho
[07:27] <vessuvius> but I want dns, not host files
[07:27] <Burgundavia> Reblended:  the easiest way to play dvds in to install libdvdcss2 out of the debian marilliat repo
[07:27] <kakalto> BRB
[07:27] <Burgundavia> Reblended: totem will then be able to play dvds
[07:27] <Reblended> ty
[07:27] <Reblended> I hope what you have said makes sense with time.
[07:27] <Reblended> =)
[07:27] <Burgundavia> Reblended: should autoplay as well
[07:27] <EvilIdler> vessuvius: Yeah, but there might be alternatives to bind just for small LANs, a step above hostfiles
[07:27] <pussfeller> dnsmasq handles the host names and does dhcpotionally too
[07:27] <Burgundavia> Reblended: see www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:28] <Reblended> thx
[07:28] <vessuvius> EvilIdler, I hope so :)
[07:29] <vessuvius> I had it working just fine on the dns server... makes me wonder if it was my router, but I set it up right I thought
[07:29] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, I found a .loki file and a .mohaa file... nothing in the mohaa file, but the .loki has some junk in there.
[07:29] <vessuvius> could ping the dns machine, but never get a response on port 53
[07:29] <e_machinist> I meant directory, haha.
[07:30] <Reblended> my mom wants to still be able to use *gasp Outlook Express to download her Hotmail... use wine and installn OE?
[07:30] <vessuvius> use thunderbird and tell her to quit being such an old lady
[07:30] <Burgundavia> Reblended: try thunderbird on her
[07:30] <pussfeller> heh
[07:30] <Burgundavia> Reblended: very similar
[07:30] <Vandrei_Jaques> Reblended, use the Thunderbird is very good and superior of OE
[07:31] <dazed|>  i have a question someone might be able to answer...on my laptop...my ubuntu login screen the res is way off and the screen is too big for the monitor and all i can see is the login box (its all i need but...) , but when i log into gdm then the res is perfectly fine what do i need to do to fix this?
[07:31] <Reblended> ok... but no incorporation with hotmail?
[07:31] <pussfeller> oe doesnt do that anymore anyways unless you pay or have an old account
[07:31] <kakalto> w00t!
[07:31] <Reblended> uhh... :-) still works in OE 5 on win 98 machine
[07:31] <Burgundavia> dazed|: hmm
[07:32] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: It's installing now..took some massaging, since it's an AMD64 system
[07:32] <dazed|> its an x thing i belive Burgundavia
[07:32] <Reblended> (not playing for hotmail btw)
[07:32] <mcrawfor> heya - how do I get GDM to use my .Xclients file?
[07:32] <Burgundavia> Reblended: only works in oe and o, as it is not pop they speak to each other
[07:32] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, I see, you lucky devil.
[07:32] <Reblended> yes.. http.. not pop
[07:32] <gardion> Anyone remember where the release scheduel for ubuntu is?
[07:32] <Reblended> hmm
[07:33] <gardion> I've seen it on their site but I can't remember where.
[07:33] <vessuvius> I'm sure someone's hacked it as a plugin for thunderbird
[07:33] <Reblended> oh sweet
[07:33] <Burgundavia> gardion: going to be released this friday
[07:33] <Reblended> thx for the hope
[07:33] <Arnia> dazed|: I'm having that problem too. ATI card?
[07:33] <Burgundavia> gardion: 5.10 in Oct sometime
[07:33] <Reblended> in 28 yours
[07:33] <Reblended> hour
[07:33] <dazed|> nahh its an onboard hp card arnia
[07:34] <gardion> Burgundavia: I remeber also seeing a schedule for what would be released when.   But thanks for letting me know about friday release.
[07:34] <mcrawfor> does anyone know?  I remeber being able to drop a .Xclients file into my homedir on other distros, and have that start my WM and so forth...
[07:34] <dazed|> Arnia, i have been asking for weeks i doubt well get this fixed hahah
[07:34] <Burgundavia> gardion: they haven't picked a date for Breezy 5.10 yet
[07:34] <vessuvius> http://webmail.mozdev.org/index.html
[07:34] <vessuvius> try that
[07:34] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, did it take forever to install the junk on the first CD for you as well?
[07:35] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: CD2 was just done - now it's asking for CD1
[07:35] <Reblended> thx ves!
[07:35] <vessuvius> np
[07:35] <mcrawfor> hmm - is there another ubutu channel for techical questions?
[07:35] <Burgundavia> vessuvius: that is nice, never heard about it
[07:35] <Xeon3D> Is anyone here using an NVidia SoundStorm as an "audio card" ?
[07:35] <pussfeller> you could use gotmail and pipe it to procmail and then at least, she would have her hotmail in her inbox
[07:35] <Burgundavia> mcrawfor: not really
[07:35] <pussfeller> tho she wouldnt be able to send
[07:35] <Burgundavia> mcrawfor: shoot
[07:35] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, oh yah, that is what I meant. The first install cd, or CD 2. haha.
[07:35] <e_machinist> sorry.
[07:35] <mcrawfor> .xclients - i remember using that in my homedir to start my wm
[07:35] <Xeon3D> mcrawfor, what's bugging you...
[07:36] <mcrawfor> can I do that with ubuntu?
[07:36] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: CD1 was really quick
[07:36] <chavo> mcrawfor, use .xsession
[07:36] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: Or the first CD or whatever :)
[07:36] <mcrawfor> okay
[07:36] <mcrawfor> i'll try that
[07:36] <mcrawfor> brb
[07:36] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, haha.
[07:36] <chavo> mcrawfor, it will come up as default
[07:36] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: The progressbar isn't updating while it's working, though
[07:37] <chavo> or custom
[07:37] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, yah, it does that on CD1 /second install CD.
[07:37] <vessuvius> I'm a bit worried... when in the install does it ask you about the placement of the mbr?
[07:38] <EvilIdler> vessuvius: I think it figures it out. If you make Linux partitions on any other drive than hda, it'll ask you if you'd rather have the MBR there
[07:38] <kakalto> can I have 2 versions of a program installed at the same time, eg. Firefox normal, then firefox-different-language?
[07:38] <mcrawfor> chavo: Perfect!
[07:38] <mcrawfor> thanks a million
[07:38] <vessuvius> oh there it did :)
[07:38] <chavo> no problem
[07:38] <mcrawfor> now - where should i have found that out myself?
[07:38] <Reblended> is there a similar program to SpaceMonger for UB? <visual hard disk analysis by file size>
[07:39] <vessuvius> ut oh
[07:39] <kakalto> anyone?
[07:39] <vessuvius> can't install grub on /dev/hda2 fatal error!
[07:39] <Reblended> I can in windows, Kaka
[07:39] <Reblended> can't you install under another user?
[07:40] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: The disc labelled #1 is definitely taking forever
[07:40] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, once you get it installed and try to run it tell me what happens for you.
[07:40] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, you using Nvidia or ATI card?
[07:40] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: By the way, my game is called "Allied Advance". Must be the Euro name..
[07:40] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: NVidia. Just tested glxgears, and got 3621fps. I guess that's OK.
[07:40] <scottj> Burgundavia, is glest available for linux? on the site all I see is .exe for windows
[07:40] <e_machinist> The installer says "Allied Assault" on mine.
[07:40] <vessuvius> ut oh
[07:41] <Reblended> so just about any program that has TUX next to it, should work on UB?
[07:41] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, which beta installer did you download?
[07:41] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: The installer says Assault, yes. The game box can't agree :)
[07:41] <Burgundavia> scott: yes
[07:41] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, oh, haha. Weird.
[07:41] <vessuvius> I have xp installed on /dev/hda1, and have it set /boot on /dev/hda2, so I want to install grub there... but the install keeps failing on there :-(
[07:41] <vessuvius> any ideas?
[07:41] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: mohaa-lnx-1.11-beta3
[07:42] <Burgundavia> scottj: deb http://apt.linex.org/ cl juegalinex
[07:42] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: Trying to launch it now..
[07:42] <vessuvius> does grub care what filesystem its installed on? I just used reiserFS for everything
[07:42] <scottj> Burgundavia, how can I check what other games that repository has?
[07:43] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: I get an error about not being able to load default.config
[07:43] <Burgundavia> scott: just going to the website
[07:44] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: Do you have a default.config file anywhere in the game directory?
[07:44] <locomorto> hey guys
[07:44] <Reblended> lo
[07:44] <MM2> vessuvius: I got failed grub install also, but lilo installed fine :)
[07:44] <kakalto> 
[07:44] <asubedi> i installed gstreamer-ffmpeg but when i play mpeg4 files, i do not get sound
[07:44] <locomorto> grub has always worked fine for me
[07:45] <locomorto> and thtas across two hoary, one wart and one Fedora core 3 installs
[07:45] <asubedi> is there a way to get sound while playing mpeg4 files?
[07:45] <vessuvius> hmmm I don't want lilo :-p
[07:45] <kakalto> locomorto, same with me, 2 gentoo, 3 fedora core, 4 or 5 ubuntu warty
[07:45] <kakalto> no problems with grub
[07:45] <kakalto> so long as I keep it simple
[07:46] <Reblended> cedega can run windows apps too?
[07:46] <kakalto> theoretically
[07:46] <Reblended> cool
[07:46] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, no, do you?
[07:46] <Reblended> I love freeware
[07:46] <kakalto> although it's more aimed at games
[07:46] <vessuvius> I'm going to try with /dev/hda2 as ext3
[07:46] <kakalto> Reblended, I think WINE is more aimed at applications
[07:46] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: No, and the game refuses to start without it :/
[07:46] <nomasteryoda> no, crossover office
[07:47] <Reblended> KaKalTo: so, if I install both wine and Cedega... so I have to install 2x?
[07:47] <nomasteryoda> works very nicely
[07:47] <Reblended> if I want to try it out with both?
[07:47] <Burgundavia> if you running aps, use crossover office
[07:47] <Burgundavia> they employ the lead wine hacker
[07:47] <nomasteryoda> yes
[07:47] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, mine will go past that part saying it can't exec config.cfg or whatever, then it tries to enable the graphics.... SDL_GetError, could not load opengl
[07:47] <Burgundavia> transgaming, who put out cedega, have given NO source code back
[07:47] <e_machinist> Pretty annoying.
[07:47] <nomasteryoda> i have installed Dreamweaver MX with flash under crossover
[07:47] <locomorto> yes they have
[07:47] <nomasteryoda> and IE
[07:47] <Reblended> cool, Nom
[07:48] <kakalto>  is crossover free?
[07:48] <locomorto> cedega have released the source
[07:48] <Reblended> and the plugins work too!
[07:48] <nomasteryoda> no
[07:48] <Reblended> ~$30
[07:48] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: I ran strace to find where it wanted the file, and created an empty file. Still won't go any further :/
[07:48] <locomorto> you really need to get your facts staight and stop knocking what you dont know
[07:48] <nomasteryoda> nominal cost
[07:48] <nomasteryoda> to help cover development
[07:48] <Reblended> truly
[07:48] <kakalto> if I could find a place to supply me...
[07:48] <Reblended> they gotta eat too
[07:48] <Burgundavia> locomorto: but it can't be merged back into the wine tree
[07:48] <nomasteryoda> ,,,uno, pay for beer
[07:48] <Reblended> heh
[07:48] <scottj> anyone know how to make firefox say it is IE?
[07:48] <Reblended> < dry
[07:48] <nomasteryoda> ys
[07:48] <locomorto> and thats their fault?
[07:48] <vessuvius> I want to install grub on /boot right?
[07:48] <nomasteryoda> add the extension
[07:49] <Burgundavia> scottj: user agent switcher
[07:49] <Reblended> scottj there's an extension
[07:49] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, I have a very interesting idea. I'll brb. Don't go anywhere.
[07:49] <locomorto> scottk, yes get the user agent switcher extension
[07:49] <EvilIdler> The only code Cedega isn't giving back is some special code for the copy protection
[07:49] <nomasteryoda> user agent switcher
[07:49] <locomorto> or something like that
[07:49] <Burgundavia> locomorto: they said they would at the beginning
[07:49] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: Making food. Too low on energy to go anywhere.
[07:49] <locomorto> lol
[07:50] <Reblended> ok. resume
[07:50] <Reblended> =] 
[07:50] <Reblended> sry for being redundant... irc chat LOL
[07:51] <vessuvius> Grub gets installed to /boot right? When I'm dual booting and have /dev/hda1 as my windows partition
[07:51] <locomorto> yes
[07:51] <EvilIdler> The Cedega source, apart from some fancy CDROM code, is available from their CVS to anyone. No need to pay.
[07:52] <scottj> EvilIdler, are there debs?
[07:52] <EvilIdler> vessuvius: Grub is told on what drive to look for the /boot directory
[07:52] <EvilIdler> scottj: Only source for non-paying customers. You get binaries if you pay the five bucks per month.
[07:53] <vessuvius> I need to install Grub somewhere besides the mbr, because I want to use ntldr for dual booting
[07:53] <Reblended> so, I need to learn to compile the source?
[07:53] <Reblended> is that where "make" comes in?
[07:53] <vessuvius> I think I have generally chosen /dev/hda2 (/boot)
[07:53] <nomasteryoda> vessuvius, why?
[07:53] <nomasteryoda> i keep windows on it's own drive
[07:53] <nomasteryoda> and let grub bootload
[07:53] <vessuvius> nomasteryoda... cuz I did it that way once and it worked :)
[07:53] <vessuvius> I don't want to give windows 80 gigs
[07:54] <Reblended> =()
[07:54] <vessuvius> I have an 80 gig and a 250 gig
[07:54] <nomasteryoda> it does, but i dont' ever want Windows in control of the boot
[07:54] <nomasteryoda> lol
[07:54] <vessuvius> ntldr does a fine job of booting, and it is easy to configure
[07:54] <rover_dan> hi,all. i plan to update pure debian|sarge using unbuntu|hoary srclist. whether it will cause serious consequences?
[07:54] <Antioch> Hoary freeze soon! =)
[07:54] <nomasteryoda> vessuvius, yea, ok
[07:54] <Burgundavia> rover_dan: I have heard of people doing is successfully
[07:54] <EvilIdler> Grub is slightly easier, and more flexible, than ntldrt
[07:54] <nomasteryoda> EvilIdler, well said
[07:54] <scottj> anyone know how to extract a single frame from a dvd? I could just take a screenshot, but I wonder if I could get better quality some other way.
[07:54] <Burgundavia> Antioch: hoary freeze already happened, hoary release soon
[07:55] <Antioch> Burgundavia really? I thought final freeze was scheduled for the 8th?
[07:55] <Burgundavia> Antioch: freeze != release
[07:55] <Reblended> what changes, the kernel?
[07:55] <jmi> Hi - when I try to run apt-get dist-upgrade, the package xserver-org just hangs at "Preconfigrig packages..." - any idea how to get round this?
[07:55] <vessuvius> but to get a dual boot system using grub takes more work I think
[07:55] <nomasteryoda> nope
[07:55] <TrendKill> in what group do you have to be to be able to sudo?
[07:55] <Antioch> Burgundavia yea, I know that. The wiki said the freeze was on the 8th, not the release
[07:56] <Burgundavia> Antioch: release is on the 8th
[07:56] <daniels> jmi: if you could run export DEBUG_XORG_PACKAGE=developer, export DEBUG_XORG_DEBCONF=developer, and then try it again, that'd be much appreciated
[07:56] <daniels> Antioch: final release is tomorrow
[07:56] <rover_dan> wow,glad to hear that.
[07:56] <vessuvius> there it worked for some reason
[07:56] <scottj> what's a good gnome id3 tag editor?
[07:56] <vessuvius> that's odd
[07:56] <jmi> daniels: I'll ty that just now
[07:57] <vessuvius> all I changed was the file system on /boot from reiser to ext3, and then Grub would install there
[07:57] <da_bon_bon> EvilIdler: it is also available, with all the candy, on www.torrentspy.com :P
[07:57] <Antioch> Burgundavia, daniels -- I look forward to it..
[07:57] <nomasteryoda> http://mgalug.org/multibooting
[07:57] <vessuvius> does that make any sense?
[07:57] <Sp4rKy> hi
[07:57] <Reblended> sup
[07:58] <nomasteryoda> vessuvius, yes
[07:58] <EvilIdler> da_bon_bon: Hehe
[07:58] <rover_dan> i have installed xorg and gnome2.10 using unbuntu srclist.but my main bar is shaking now. what's the problem?
[07:58] <EvilIdler> rover_dan: Sit still?
[07:58] <nomasteryoda> how i used to do it is posted there
[07:58] <nomasteryoda> now i just set it in grub
[07:58] <Sp4rKy> somebody have a dell laptop with hoary ? i have any issues with acpi?
[07:59] <rover_dan> EvilIdler pardon?
[07:59] <EvilIdler> rover_dan: How is the bar shaking?
[07:59] <Sp4rKy> What's the correct charset here ?
[07:59] <montana_> how can i unlock a folder? how do i log in as root or the owner?
[07:59] <EvilIdler> rover_dan: Are elements moving, is the whole bar changing placement?
[08:00] <vessuvius> yeah, nomasteryoda, that's the setup I run
[08:00] <rover_dan> EvilIdler, nope. just shakes in the same place:(
[08:01] <Shufla> hello :)
[08:01] <thundrcleeze> hi
[08:01] <Sp4rKy> hi
[08:01] <Reblended> hi
[08:01] <Sp4rKy> I s UTF-8 here ?
[08:01] <jmi> daniels: $OWNERS does not equal $CHOICES: "xserver-xorg" != ""
[08:01] <rover_dan> EvilIdler, no element is move
[08:01] <jmi> daniels: $OWNERS has only one value; shared/default-x-server will not be asked
[08:01] <jmi> daniels: then it hangs
[08:03] <danko123456> Hi, do you guys like KDE? I mean, does anyone have a reason why that would be needed?
[08:03] <nomasteryoda> vessuvius, need i say more... grub is easier
[08:03] <Burgundavia> danko123456: some people like it, therefor it should be included
[08:03] <danko123456> I think it is first of all, very new...
[08:03] <danko123456> WHy do you think they like it?
[08:03] <Shufla> KDE is very consistent...
[08:03] <EvilIdler> rover_dan: Have you checked the gnome.org forums/mailinglists or whatever they have?
[08:03] <Burgundavia> danko123456: ask in #kubuntu if you want to know what a kde user thinks
[08:04] <nomasteryoda> cause it looks nice, smells new and sucks up that RAM we paid high dollar for
[08:04] <nomasteryoda> lol
[08:04] <rover_dan> EvilIdle,looks liked the appearance of electromagnetic interference, but the rest parts of the screen is fine
[08:04] <danko123456> Right, good answer, thanks.
[08:04] <rover_dan> EvilIdleok.i will check it out
[08:04] <Reblended> so, kde is just eyecandy?
[08:04] <nomasteryoda> Reblended, more or less
[08:04] <nomasteryoda> has some options gnome doesn't have
[08:04] <Shufla> but not just
[08:04] <Shufla> kde is workable
[08:05] <Reblended> nomasteryoda: it's an addon?
[08:05] <nomasteryoda> but you get what you pay for.... i prefer KDE
[08:05] <nomasteryoda> Reblended, you can apt-get install KDE
[08:05] <nomasteryoda> look at the wiki
[08:05] <Reblended> k thx
[08:05] <Shufla> or use kubuntu :D
[08:05] <Reblended> hmm k
[08:06] <coughcool> can I apt-get codecs for totem?
[08:06] <locomorto> yes
[08:06] <locomorto> w32codecs
[08:06] <locomorto> and the gstreamer one
[08:06] <nomasteryoda> universidad
[08:06] <Shufla> w32codecs are in multiverse...?
[08:07] <nomasteryoda> universe
[08:07] <Burgundavia> nope
[08:07] <Burgundavia> only on debian marilliat
[08:07] <locomorto> people dont have universe and multiverse enabled?
[08:07] <nomasteryoda> marilliat
[08:07] <Shufla> default uni/multi verse is disabled
[08:08] <coughcool> package name just w32codecs?
[08:08] <vessuvius> does the ubuntu install disk act as a rescue disk too?  I need to boot now to copy the bootsector from /boot so that I can use it to dual boot
[08:09] <Shufla> i wonder when apt-get download backend will be based on torrents :)
[08:09] <vessuvius> I know on redhat I did something like boot: root=/dev/hda5
[08:09] <vessuvius> and it would mount everything for me so I could copy
[08:09] <vessuvius> there I got it
[08:09] <coughcool> loco: thanks for the pointer
[08:10] <vessuvius> linux root=/dev/hda5
[08:10] <maart> hi! is that Ubuntu 5.04 release candidate same as Final will be?
[08:10] <violet> hey is installing woarty a good idea?
[08:10] <vessuvius> ut oh kernel panic
[08:10] <locomorto> pretty much
[08:11] <Shufla> violet: i don't think so
[08:11] <SuperLag> violet: not with Hoary coming out in the next few days
[08:11] <Myrtti> violet: say what?
[08:11] <Myrtti> hoary or warty
[08:11] <violet> er
[08:11] <Reblended> hoary hedgehog
[08:11] <violet> hoary
[08:11] <violet> im tired
[08:11] <Myrtti> yes.
[08:11] <Myrtti> yes it's worth it
[08:11] <violet> so yeah
[08:11] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, my idea was shot to hell... you had anything work yet?
[08:11] <Shufla> hoary RC installed just fine yesterday...
[08:11] <coughcool> i just install RC on my laptop
[08:11] <Reblended> nice and speedy UB server =] 
[08:12] <violet> hmm ill install it then
[08:12] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: Nope, and I'm now struggling with UT2004 AMD64 :/
[08:12] <Reblended> what's the apt name for wine?
[08:12] <locomorto> wine
[08:12] <Reblended> lol ez
[08:12] <da_bon_bon> wine
[08:12] <lunitik> Reblended: 'wine' ... its in universes
[08:12] <lunitik> -s
[08:12] <Shufla> Reblended: apt-cache search wine
[08:12] <da_bon_bon> Reblended: bloody mary
[08:12] <da_bon_bon> :P
[08:12] <Reblended> < wiki for universes?
[08:12] <Reblended> rofl dabon
[08:12] <locomorto> www.ubuntuguide.org/temp/
[08:13] <da_bon_bon> :)
[08:13] <locomorto> best wiki ever
[08:13] <Reblended> danke
[08:13] <Reblended> multiverses, universes... head spun
[08:13] <violet> haha
[08:13] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, that is strange.
[08:14] <dazed|> who in here uses fluxbox with ubuntu?
[08:14] <locomorto> anyone here got their intel wireless 2000b/g on Insipiron 8600 to work
[08:14] <locomorto> i installed the drivers fine
[08:14] <locomorto> i just want to know how to turn on the hardware switch
[08:14] <kakalto> dazed|, I've tried it, but I don't use it..
[08:16] <Shufla> ok, i've got to go, bye bye :>
[08:17] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, Quake 3 Arena still runs great for me.... just can't seem to get MOHAA to want to run.
[08:17] <Reblended> how do I edit wmv's in ub?
[08:17] <Sp4rKy_new> Please, somebody have a dell laptop with hoary ?
[08:17] <locomorto> i do
[08:18] <Sp4rKy_new> I have some issues with acpi
[08:18] <Sp4rKy_new> could you help me ?
[08:18] <dazed|> does anyone USE fluxbox with ubuntu?
[08:18] <locomorto> such as?
[08:18] <Reblended> funny, hoary install is 26 megs smaller than live
[08:18] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: UT2004 runs great here, too, but my system now lacks sound. Grr.
[08:19] <daniels> jmi: woah
[08:19] <Reblended> EI, whole system?!
[08:19] <daniels> jmi: i've ... never seen that happen, ever
[08:19] <Burgundavia> I have to kill esd before I run glest or Quake3
[08:19] <EvilIdler> Reblended: XMMS can't find devices, sound server crap disabled
[08:19] <Reblended> kill all sound?
[08:19] <EvilIdler> I don't use esd or anything. Arts was loaded, but I killed it.
[08:20] <Reblended> bumm
[08:20] <locomorto> have you tried setting it to esd?
[08:20] <Sp4rKy_new> Hybernate function don't work
[08:20] <EvilIdler> I'm in KDE.
[08:20] <Enspyron> EvilIdler how did you get UT2k4 running on Ubuntu? I take it this is about that. Did you just use the version that you can get in the store?
[08:20] <Sp4rKy_new> and sleep consume a lot of energy
[08:20] <EvilIdler> Enspyron: Regular edition (DVD), with AMD64 binaries
[08:20] <Reblended> hmm, Sp4rKy?  suspend2disk
[08:20] <locomorto> Also there is a option in system somewhere (look for sound) and it lets you start up the sound server
[08:21] <EvilIdler> Enspyron: Framerate seemed good, but without sound, there's less stress on the system :P
[08:21] <Sp4rKy_new> Reblended , what can i do ?
[08:21] <Reblended> sec
[08:22] <Enspyron> Wow... so what's the deal... does ubunu not support your soundcard?
[08:22] <Reblended> http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl1_apmsleep.htm
[08:22] <Enspyron> or do you need directx stuff?
[08:22] <Sp4rKy_new> thanks
[08:22] <Enspyron> ut2k4 is openGL right
[08:22] <Reblended> there's one more
[08:23] <Reblended> Sparky... google this: swsusp2
[08:23] <Kennyjb402> Help, I install a new video card...how do i run the config program?
[08:23] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, I cannot find very much information about mohaa under linux...
[08:23] <locomorto> what vide card?
[08:23] <locomorto> vid*
[08:23] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: That beta is old, I guess :/
[08:24] <Kennyjb402> not sure a friend gave it to me
[08:24] <Sp4rKy_new> i look at this, thanks a lot
[08:24] <e_machinist> Found a lot of the exact same problem that I have... but nobody has posted their solution.
[08:24] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, is it? I'm not aware of a newer one???
[08:24] <e_machinist> Did you find a newer one?
[08:24] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: No, Icculus just hasn't worked on it in a while
[08:25] <nubuntu> 
[08:25] <EvilIdler> Hope I can get NWN working, too.
[08:25] <Reblended> fluxbox is supposed to be what?
[08:25] <e_machinist> EvilIdler, yah, you would assume that you would be able to get mohaa running off that beta3 though.
[08:25] <e_machinist> Since so many others have.
[08:25] <Sp4rKy_new> libdvdcss are absent in hoary servers ?
[08:25] <jdub> Sp4rKy_new: of course :)
[08:26] <Reblended> y
[08:26] <Kennyjb402> how can I congig it?
[08:26] <EvilIdler> e_machinist: It's a static binary, so there's not much I can replace of libs :/
[08:26] <Kennyjb402> config
[08:27] <Reblended> fluxbox is another kde?
[08:27] <Sp4rKy_new> jdub, i have to download sources?
[08:27] <nessmuk> reblended....damnsmalllinux is a good look at fluxbox....pretty cool small usb install
[08:28] <Burgundavia> Sp4rKy_new: nope, just use debian-marillait
[08:28] <Reblended> thx
[08:28] <Kennyjb402> anyone?
[08:29] <Reblended> nessmuk usb install? I can run live usb? =0
[08:29] <Burgundavia> Kennyjb402: what kind of video card?
[08:29] <Reblended> I can't boot to usb
[08:29] <Kennyjb402> not sure a friend gave it to me
[08:29] <e_machinist> hmm, kinda dissappointing... so close... yet so far.
[08:29] <NormD> Kenny:  You'll need to know exactly what video card it is.  Ask your friend...
[08:29] <Reblended> nessmuk: am I missing something here?
[08:29] <Kennyjb402> ok thnx
[08:29] <Burgundavia> Kennyjb402: is it an ATI or an NVIDIA?
[08:30] <Kennyjb402> print to small for my eyes to see lol
[08:30] <jdub> Sp4rKy_new: it's easily found elsewhere (videolan site, for example)
[08:30] <scottj> anyone have recommendations on really good internet radio stations (few commercials preferably)
[08:30] <Sp4rKy_new> Burgundavia, what's debian-marillais ?
[08:30] <Kennyjb402> thought i could run modprobe or something
[08:30] <Burgundavia> scottj: what kind of music?
[08:30] <Burgundavia> Sp4rKy_new: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:30] <Reblended> how do I boot from my thumbdrive?
[08:31] <jmi> daniels: any suggestions 'though?
[08:31] <nubuntu> kenny : are you using it right now?
[08:31] <Kennyjb402> im on my wifes computer
[08:31] <scottj> Burgundavia, anything, I'm picky but like good music in every genre
[08:31] <daniels> jmi: no idea, sorry, aside from try dpkg --purge --force-depends xserver-x{org,free86} first and apt-get install xserver-xorg? (but back up your config first)
[08:32] <Burgundavia> scottj: if you like world music, try  http://www.village900.ca/
[08:32] <locomorto> to back xorg conf
[08:32] <Burgundavia> scottj: comm. free
[08:32] <Kennyjb402> i gess i
[08:32] <Kennyjb402> i gess i'll have to reinstall
[08:32] <locomorto> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /
[08:32] <Kennyjb402> ok
[08:32] <Burgundavia> Kennyjb402: can you run system-->admin-->device manager
[08:32] <scottj> Burgundavia, yeah, used to be a huge fan of world music (afro celt, radio tarifa, etc) but that was years ago. I'll give it a try, if the page ever comes up
[08:33] <Burgundavia> Kennyjb402: you shouldn't need to reinstall
[08:33] <Burgundavia> scott: is a college radio station
[08:33] <jmi> daniels: OK, I'll give that a try later on. I'm about to add another disk to copy all the data on to first - cheers!
[08:33] <nubuntu> kennydevice manager
[08:33] <daniels> jmi: no worroes.  let me know if you find anything interesting
[08:34] <Kennyjb402> cant get int ubuntu becase i change my video card
[08:34] <nubuntu> kenny: use the standard vga driver to start X
[08:34] <scottj> Burgundavia, another good college station is kexp.org, although for the good stuff they have they also have tons of trash
[08:35] <nubuntu> kenny: edit xorg.conf
[08:35] <Kennyjb402> ok
[08:35] <Kennyjb402> thnx i'll try it
[08:35] <locomorto> what vid card did you get now
[08:35] <nubuntu> there should be some standard entrys for vga, just uncomment them
[08:35] <nessmuk> reblended...sorry, away. You asked about using flux with ubuntu, I just said I like dsl....and yes, it is one of many small distros, like Beatrix, made special to run off usb
[08:35] <nubuntu> entries
[08:36] <Reblended> nessmuk: np, thx, dsl is another windows mgr?
[08:36] <deFrysk> nubuntu, is it not easyer to use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:36] <locomorto> no DSL is another distro
[08:36] <Reblended> ahh thx
[08:36] <locomorto> its is a Live Cd one though, but it loads completly into memory, and is very small
[08:37] <locomorto> it is primarily aimed at older hardware
[08:37] <Reblended> ohh yah,, *amn small yes
[08:37] <Reblended> I'm getting that... 50 megs
[08:37] <Kennyjb402> i get a "gtk-warning cannot open display"
[08:37] <Reblended> thx loco
[08:37] <locomorto> you can add stuff to it though, just copy .dsl files too the root direcoty and they are loaded as well on startup (i added Freeciv among others)
[08:37] <Reblended> I want to try running dsl off my SD card
[08:37] <nessmuk> no....it's a complete distro, 50 meg, to have your entire setup portable on a usb stick. Look at the site for dsl and Beatrix....they really show it clearly
[08:38] <scottj> Burgundavia, no mp3 stream?
[08:38] <Burgundavia> scottj: nope
[08:38] <Sp4rKy_new> sorry, i haven't seen the gpg issue over hoary :)
[08:38] <Reblended> locomorto: why run dsl on top of ubuntu?
[08:38] <Reblended> you just like it that well?
[08:38] <lunitik> Reblended: why not?
[08:38] <locomorto> i dont
[08:38] <Kennyjb402> nubuntu: I get a 'gtk-warning cannot open display"
[08:38] <locomorto> i used it as a resuce Cd a few times though
[08:39] <Reblended> ic
[08:39] <nubuntu> kenny: mhm...run xorgconfig
[08:39] <lunitik> nubuntu: gtsudo
[08:39] <Kennyjb402> ok
[08:39] <lunitik> gksudo*
[08:39] <Kennyjb402> brb
[08:39] <Reblended> well, nice to know if I put a file into root it will run at startup?
[08:39] <locomorto> only the ones in the dsl repo (linked from the front page)
[08:39] <Reblended> ic
[08:40] <Reblended> linux has spyware problems?
[08:40] <locomorto> not really
[08:40] <lunitik> Reblended: I don't even know of a linux spyware tool...
[08:40] <Reblended> k
[08:40] <locomorto> a really old version of mozilla might get you spyware
[08:40] <locomorto> but i think thats still only for windows
[08:41] <Burgundavia> afaik spyware + linux = not found
[08:41] <lunitik> locomorto: Mozilla doesn't support ActiveX ... so its unlikely...
[08:41] <Reblended> and never will support active x?
[08:42] <Reblended> what about running wine and IE>..
[08:42] <locomorto> a few spyware things did get realesed for it, but the vunerabilites for them were pacthed. I read it at the mozillazine site
[08:42] <Reblended> ie uses active x?
[08:42] <lunitik> Reblended: yes, ie does..
[08:42] <dazed> anyone use fluxbox with their ubuntu in here?
[08:42] <Reblended> so, I can still get spyware through using wine
[08:42] <lunitik> Reblended: sure... but it would only effect the wine files  :/
[08:42] <Reblended> ic. thx
[08:43] <Reblended> haha
[08:43] <Reblended> can I install more than one wine?
[08:43] <NormD> I vaguely remember an article about a month ago where someone attempted to install malware via wine...only one out of the lot got anywhere, but still didn't completely work. : )
[08:44] <Burgundavia> http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/25/1430222&from=rss
[08:44] <Sp4rKy_new> do you know all the link in the web ? :)
[08:46] <Reblended> make = compile?
[08:48] <scottj> why does apt-get take forever at 99% waiting for headers? years ago when I first started using debian I never had to wait for it to do this
[08:48] <locomorto> dunno
[08:48] <munki> scottj, doesn't here
[08:49] <Sp4rKy_new> Reblended, yes, i think
[08:49] <Reblended> yes to install multiple wines? or make = compile?
[08:50] <Sp4rKy_new> Reblended, yes for make = compile,in fact, make do all the action defined in Makefile
[08:50] <Reblended> tx
[08:50] <Sp4rKy_new> depend of the argument you write after make
[08:51] <Reblended> what should I use to edit WMV's?
[08:52] <raghu> hi all
[08:52] <raghu> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:52] <raghu>   gcc-3.3: Depends: cpp-3.3 (< 1:3.3.5) but 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2 is to be installed
[08:52] <raghu> E: Broken packages
[08:52] <raghu>  how to solve this?
[08:52] <locomorto> apt-get install build-essential
[08:52] <zenrox> raghu, do a sudo apt-get build-essential
[08:53] <zenrox> then try to compile agine
[08:53] <raghu> locomorto zenrox: thx
[08:53] <raghu> locomorto zenrox: let me try
[08:54] <Reblended> do I need to install an anti virus program for wine?
[08:54] <locomorto> not really
[08:54] <raghu> locomorto zenrox: no luck
[08:54] <Reblended> ok.. can I save the files I create outside the wine environment?
[08:55] <raghu> locomorto: no luck
[08:55] <locomorto> you can get anti-virus for linux though. I think theres something in the forum about f-protect
[08:55] <Reblended> k
[08:55] <locomorto> raghu: not shure why
[08:55] <Burgundavia> antivirus for linux is a waste of time, to be honest
[08:55] <Reblended> so, y bother
[08:55] <locomorto> raghu: what are you compiling
[08:55] <zenrox> raghu,  what happed
[08:56] <deFrysk> Burgundavia, until you get infected that is
[08:56] <locomorto> reblended: yes, its in ~HOME/.wine
[08:56] <Burgundavia> deFrysk: there are no linux virii in the wild
[08:56] <raghu> zenrox: when i do apt-get install gcc
[08:56] <locomorto> reblended: ~HOME/.wine/*
[08:56] <Reblended> cool
[08:56] <raghu> zenrox:build-essential: Depends: gcc (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed
[08:56] <raghu>                    Depends: g++ (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed
[08:56] <raghu> E: Broken packages
[08:56] <locomorto> are you on warty?
[08:56] <zenrox> raghu,  enable your universe repostory
[08:56] <zenrox> s
[08:57] <raghu> locomorto: yes
[08:57] <locomorto> you might need to upgrade to hoary to get access to those features
[08:57] <Reblended> ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/damnsmall/mydsl/    <  how do I launch dsl from my thumbdrive (in windows) I dont see an exe
[08:57] <Piggeldi> can't login via ssh after update anymore (as regular user)
[08:57] <locomorto> just sudo gedt /etc/apt/sources.list and replace warty with hoary
[08:58] <Piggeldi> can someone help?
[08:58] <dumbuser> where can I get mplayer?
[08:58] <locomorto> then apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, apt-get upgrade
[08:58] <chibifs> Internet.
[08:58] <locomorto> apt-get install mplayer
[08:58] <chibifs> Internet 5000.
[08:58] <dumbuser> what do I need to add to my /etc/apt/sources.list?
[08:59] <locomorto> universe and mutliverse repos. Check out www.ubuntuguide.org for what to put in
[08:59] <zenrox> locomorto,  www.ubuntuguide.org/temp for hoary
[08:59] <dumbuser> Ah.  I only had the universe, not the multiverse.  I'll try that.  thanks
[09:00] <locomorto> zenrox: theres aink to that on the front page ;)
[09:00] <zenrox> dint notice
[09:00] <Piggeldi> can t login with ssh after system update yesterday any recommendations?
[09:00] <locomorto> did you check your firewall config?
[09:00] <jjpmr52> s
[09:01] <Piggeldi> < me
[09:01] <Piggeldi> ?
[09:01] <locomorto> yes
[09:01] <Piggeldi> i can log in with root... (after permitrootlogin yes in sshd_conf firewall is not running
[09:02] <locomorto> no idea then. try asking on the forums
[09:02] <Reblended> www.ubuntuguide.org/temp 404
[09:02] <Gaaruto_> hi
[09:03] <super_dude2> ok help me plz im learning to be a C++ programmer and i dontknow how to compile and run my files on linux is there a defult editor?
[09:03] <nibblesmx> try vim
[09:03] <Piggeldi> i tried to do this but found no hints
[09:03] <Xeon3D> ick
[09:03] <Xeon3D> vim for newbies?
[09:03] <nibblesmx> ok
[09:03] <nibblesmx> try gedit
[09:04] <nibblesmx> try emacs (if you have the guts, hehe)
[09:04] <deFrysk> Oo
[09:04] <deFrysk> :s
[09:04] <Piggeldi> auth.log says account expired.. but i can log in local..
[09:04] <Xeon3D> super_dude2, do an apt-get install program . program being nano for a console one, and gedit for a graphic one...
[09:04] <super_dude2> it dosnot have a compiler i think
[09:04] <super_dude2> what
[09:04] <Xeon3D> super_dude2, apt-get install gcc
[09:04] <nibblesmx> try writting g++ on the console
[09:04] <super_dude2> command not found
[09:04] <nibblesmx> if it says something like "no input files"
[09:05] <nibblesmx> then you DO have a compiler
[09:05] <Xeon3D> he doesn't
[09:05] <locomorto> super_dude2: apt-get install build-essential and apt-get install kdevelop
[09:05] <Reblended> can I boot from a thumbdrive while inside windows?
[09:05] <Reblended> (with dsl)
[09:05] <da_bon_bon> in a lens cleaner cd, where should the cleaning brush be located, ideally ?
[09:05] <Xeon3D> super_dude2,  write sudo apt-get install g++ on a terminal
[09:06] <locomorto> da_bon_bon so it goes over the lens part
[09:06] <TrendKill> hey guys, wasnt today the release date for hoary?
[09:06] <locomorto> no the 8th
[09:06] <TrendKill> cool, thnax
[09:06] <Piggeldi> after system update i can't log in as reg. user via ssh. local login via console still works... root login via ssh works too. any recommendations
[09:06] <nibblesmx> dunno... i received my warthy cd rom but i made a dist upgrade to hoary like 1 month ago
[09:06] <Piggeldi> ?
[09:07] <super_dude2> it says no input files now that i did the install
[09:07] <nibblesmx> great!
[09:07] <nibblesmx> now try coding a program
[09:08] <nibblesmx> and then compile it
[09:08] <super_dude2> how?
[09:09] <topyli> you don't ask for much super_dude2. "how to write a program and compile it" :)
[09:09] <Reblended> anything but format root
[09:09] <nibblesmx> i dont want to be rude, but RTFM
[09:10] <Reblended> try Make, topy
[09:11] <pussfeller> you can learn c in 21 days, I saw the book
[09:11] <super_dude2> iv got the book
[09:11] <super_dude2> :)
[09:11] <rdw200169> c'mon, you could do it in a week if you tried
[09:11] <nibblesmx> "learn C in 24 hours", i think that one is more effective
[09:11] <pussfeller> 3 chapters a day
[09:11] <super_dude2>  so how do i doit
[09:11] <Reblended> y wouldn't I want UB to use all my screen resolutions?
[09:12] <rdw200169> object oriented programming on the other hand...
[09:12] <pussfeller> if you wanna learn to program, start with ruby or python or such
[09:12] <Reblended> My Laptop is a sony with a funky video card that won't do digital scaling... so when it goes to 640x480 it's a little tiny area in the middle of the screen.. any way around this with UB?
[09:13] <super_dude2> and why cant i edit any folders xsept home??
[09:13] <fsapo> hi.. i dont know if its the right place to ask for it but.. btw
[09:13] <fsapo> anyone knows any tool to convert mpc files to mp3?
[09:13] <Reblended> dbpowerAMP
[09:14] <fsapo> Reblended, is it free?
[09:14] <jimarko_> Whats the easiest way to go about updating GTK?
[09:14] <Reblended> not oss, but free
[09:14] <fsapo> Reblended, where can i find it?
[09:14] <pussfeller> on linux?
[09:14] <pussfeller> foobar2000 does it on windows
[09:14] <Reblended> sec
[09:14] <Xeon3D> super_dude2, cause you're not root.
[09:14] <fsapo> Reblended, thanx
[09:15] <Xeon3D> inside your home folder use normal commands.. outside your home folder use sudo command
[09:15] <pussfeller> you can use mpc tools to do it too if you install them
[09:15] <super_dude2> But im the only one on my computer so i have to be i havent set any other acounts
[09:15] <pussfeller> which, i dont think they are native to ubuntu
[09:15] <Reblended> fsapo: http://www.dbpoweramp.com/dmc.htm give this a try  < good luck!
[09:16] <fsapo> Reblended, www.dbpoweramp.com but it doesnt seem to have a linux version =/
[09:16] <nibblesmx> super_dude2, ubuntu by default, does not allow you to use the root account
[09:16] <pussfeller> super_dude2, linux is set up for multiusers
[09:16] <da_bon_bon> in a lens cleaner cd, where should the cleaning brush be located, ideally ?
[09:16] <Reblended> wine?
[09:16] <Reblended> sec
[09:16] <pussfeller> in any case, it keeps you from screwing things p accidentally
[09:16] <nibblesmx> try the "whoami" command
[09:16] <fsapo> Reblended, dont have wine here :( and dont have a windows partition =/
[09:16] <super_dude2> so how do i edit them cause it wont save cookies from web sites
[09:16] <fsapo> Reblended, just linux =[
[09:16] <Reblended> fsapo: http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php?t=7002
[09:17] <pussfeller> does foobar work under wine
[09:18] <super_dude2> in root terminal im root in terminal in lukes :) thats my name :)
[09:18] <Reblended> fsapo: still there?
[09:18] <fsapo> Reblended, yes i m
[09:18] <Reblended> fsapo: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/103535
[09:18] <duncanm> to make totem use xine, isn't there a gconf setting to set?
[09:18] <fsapo> Reblended, reading the threads
[09:18] <Reblended> cool
[09:19] <Burgundavia> duncanm: install totem-xine
[09:19] <duncanm> Burgundavia: i've done that, i'm trying to do the same thing on another distro
[09:19] <Reblended> fsapo: http://www.rarewares.org/mpc.html  < direct transcoder
[09:19] <duncanm> hrm
[09:19] <Reblended> =] 
[09:20] <Burgundavia> duncanm: no diea
[09:20] <duncanm> oh well
[09:20] <super_dude2> so im both?
[09:20] <Reblended> can I change the startup logo in UB?
[09:21] <Reblended> < it's sacrilidge I know > but can I?
[09:22] <fsapo> Reblended, thanx.. i ll try downlading some of it hope it works on linux :(
[09:22] <Reblended> did you get that last link?
[09:22] <super_dude2> ok guys here a huge problem i have but cant get fixed i tried a few days ago but dint get it fixd so what do i do to get MY MUSIC TO PLAY!
[09:23] <Pizbit> super_dude2: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:23] <jimarko_> Hey guys, I'm having trouble updating GTK for gimp 2.2.4, and if i go to uninstall GTK via synaptic which will then allow me to install the latest GTK from source, i find there are too many dependancies based on the current GTK. What is the best way to go about updating GTK?
[09:23] <super_dude2> it  dont make any nosis not even startup
[09:24] <Reblended> I read something, Super, that said he had to kill the sound server?
[09:24] <Wyld> how to i *force* an unmount/eject of a cdrom?
[09:24] <Reblended> but I'm just guessing here
[09:25] <Pizbit> Reblended: No sound server at startup
[09:25] <Reblended> ok
[09:25] <Duluu> when will hoary released?
[09:25] <pussfeller> fsapo, http://musepack.net has binaries you can use, you can write scripts around them
[09:25] <Reblended> 8th
[09:25] <Wyld> Sat
[09:25] <Wyld> ish
[09:25] <Pizbit> Duluu: Apparently on the 8th, are you an impatient sod like me?:)
[09:26] <Pizbit> Wyld: Why do you need to force it?
[09:26] <Wyld> its telling me its busy
[09:26] <violet> i have begun learning perl, but im out of ideas for things to write, got any novice things i can write in my newly installed ubuntu? :D
[09:26] <fsapo> pussfeller, i ll take a look thanx
[09:26] <pussfeller> Wyld, you cant if its being used by a program, like, you are in the directory in nautilus or the shell or something
[09:26] <Wyld> and there's nothing open but xchat
[09:26] <Duluu> I liked warty, but there are so many old packages. And I'd like to install newest ones
[09:26] <pussfeller> ithink you can try umount -f tho
[09:27] <Pizbit> Wyld: Open up a terminal, lsof | grep whereyourCDromismounted
[09:27] <Reblended> dist-upgrade > I don't have to reinstall all my programs?
[09:27] <sHerMie> somebody have problems with gaim?
[09:28] <nibblesmx> nop
[09:28] <nibblesmx> Reblended, no, you dont have to
[09:28] <Reblended> whew, thx nib
[09:28] <Reblended> how can I mount cd's?
[09:28] <Wyld> Pizbit, brw-rw----  1 root cdrom 3, 0 2005-04-07 13:40 /dev/hda
[09:28] <Pizbit> Reblended: You don't mount music cds.
[09:29] <Reblended> iso's
[09:29] <Pizbit> Wyld: That it *not* where the cdrom is mounted
[09:29] <Sp4rKy_old> Reblended, sorry, but i don't succeed to install suspend function, if you could help me ...
[09:29] <fsapo> pussfeller, thanx this should work.. i can decode to wav and then reeconde to mp3 :)
[09:29] <Reblended> I have a win program that I can mount iso's as cd's
[09:30] <Pizbit> Reblended: Hum, yeah you can mount isos on the loopback device.
[09:30] <Reblended> thx piz
[09:30] <Wyld> Pizbit, okay, its shown me the directories of all the things i just copied from the cdrom
[09:30] <Wyld> but the windows are now all closed
[09:30] <Pizbit> Wyld: paste the result in www.pastebin.com
[09:31] <sHerMie> somebody have problems with gaim?
[09:31] <sHerMie> nobody?
[09:31] <pussfeller> fsapo, i had a python script somewhere that does it
[09:31] <Piggeldi> can't log in via ssh anymore... firewall is deactivated... root login works but no regular user? any recommendations?
[09:31] <Pizbit> Wyld: And then tell me the link
[09:31] <Wyld> http://www.pastebin.com/268325
[09:31] <fsapo> pussfeller, i m thinking about it right now
[09:32] <fsapo> pussfeller, i have all the rush discography to do it O_O
[09:32] <fsapo> pussfeller, and i dont know python nor shellscript =/
[09:32] <Pizbit> Wyld: That's not what i said to do, I said to use lsof. Paste the results of this into pastebin "lsof | grep /media/cdrom0"
[09:32] <fsapo> pussfeller, the decode to wav worked :D
[09:33] <sHerMie> bye
[09:33] <Pizbit> Reblended: mount -o loop -t iso9660 file.iso /mnt/place
[09:33] <Reblended> thx
[09:33] <Wyld> mmm
[09:33] <Wyld> http://www.pastebin.com/268327
[09:34] <Sp4rKy_old> i would to install swsusp2, must i compile my kernel or just patch ?
[09:34] <fsapo> anyone could helpme with a little shell script? :(
[09:34] <Pizbit> Wyld: As I figured:) Try: kill 8278;eject
[09:35] <Wyld> :)
[09:35] <Wyld> thanks man
[09:35] <Pizbit> No probs:)
[09:35] <Wyld> so what caused that ..
[09:36] <Pizbit> *shrug* gam_server wouldn't let go or wasn't told too
[09:36] <Reblended> what font creator is recommended?
[09:36] <jimarko_> Why is it that when you click on URL links, firefox opens up but never actually follows the link, instead just dropping you on the default home page
[09:36] <pussfeller> you can try mine, but I dont know if it will work on your system
[09:37] <Reblended> Sp4rKy's question answered yet?
[09:37] <fsapo> pussfeller, i little shell script would work like taking the .mpc file convertin to temp.wav the encoding with lame and deleting the sources.. but i dont know how shellscript works =/
[09:38] <Sp4rKy_old> Reblended, no
[09:38] <Piggeldi> Apr  7 08:41:47 localhost sshd[11894] : Account olaf has expired
[09:38] <Piggeldi> Apr  7 08:41:47 localhost sshd[11894] : Failed none for invalid user olaf from ::ffff:192.168.0.5 port 33048 ssh2
[09:38] <Piggeldi> any ideas how this could be solved?
[09:38] <Piggeldi> users exist and can login local
[09:39] <Sp4rKy_old> i think limit time is out
[09:39] <Sp4rKy_old> you can define this in the user & group menu (over gnome)
[09:40] <darka> what's the difference between /media and /mnt? should my harddrive mountpoints be in /mnt and my cdrom in /media?
[09:40] <pussfeller> i think this one will work and handle all the titles and such if you put mppdec somewhere in the path
[09:41] <mjr> darka, /media should be for removable drives and/or media
[09:41] <mjr> darka, so hd mount points in /mnt, rather
[09:41] <Sp4rKy_old> the /media is the default path from cdrom, used by most soft
[09:41] <mjr> darka, if there's no other sensible point for it
[09:41] <darka> ok
[09:41] <Sp4rKy_old> the /mnt path is the default from all the user-defined mountpoints
[09:42] <Echylo> hmm can somebody help me? when I'm working with firefox it random freezes my whole desktop, and It occurs when trying to download something
[09:43] <Sp4rKy_old> really nobody know the solution for my issue with swsusp2  ???
[09:43] <Reblended> time and date settings: only 24hr clock available or can I choose 12hr (am:pm)
[09:44] <synd> anyone using streamtuner?
[09:44] <Sp4rKy_old> i think you can choose 12hr
[09:44] <Reblended> hmm, but where. =] 
[09:44] <Sp4rKy_old> DBAudio ERROR: DBAudiolib initialization failed.
[09:44] <Sp4rKy_old> Message: fmt 5, channels: 2
[09:44] <Sp4rKy_old> How can i resolve this ?
[09:46] <styx2005> when does hoary final come?
[09:46] <Pizbit> jimarko_: Still there?
[09:46] <fabbione> tomorrow morning
[09:46] <fabbione> in approx 24 hours from now
[09:47] <styx2005> ok, thanks
[09:47] <fsapo> please where can i find a basic tutorial to write a simple shell script for converting files?
[09:48] <fabbione> fsapo: what do you need to do exactly?
[09:49] <eruin> I cant wait for hoary to get out so I can start getting new dev updates :D
[09:49] <fsapo> fabbione, just take something.mpc decode it to temp.wav then encote temp.wav to mp3 using lame
[09:49] <eruin> I haven't had to visit bugzilla in ages, which annoys me :P
[09:49] <fsapo> fabbione, i have the mpc decoder.. but to make it one by one would take ages =/
[09:50] <Reblended> Sp4?
[09:50] <fsapo> fabbione, i dont know how tho get the filenames and using loop in shellscript =/
[09:50] <eruin> fsapo: I have a small perl script that I used to convert wma to mp3
[09:50] <Reblended> Sp4rKy: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Software_Suspend_v2
[09:50] <eruin> fsapo: I suppose changing it to convert mpc to wav wouldnt be that difficult
[09:50] <fsapo> eruin, that should be simple
[09:50] <balor> Is the Eclipse IDE in Hoary Universe?
[09:51] <fabbione> fsapo: man bash
[09:51] <jimarko_> Pizbit: yep, i'm still around
[09:51] <eruin> fsapo: http://appelsinjuice.org/wma2mp3.pl
[09:51] <fabbione> fsapo: in the documentation search for "for"
[09:51] <fsapo> eruin, thanx i ll take a look
[09:51] <fsapo> fabbione, but how i m going to find out how to get the file names?
[09:51] <fabbione> fsapo: also.. you can look at some scripts in /etc/init.d/ as an example
[09:51] <Pizbit> jimarko_: Did you change anything in the 'Preferred Applications' preferences for the web browser?
[09:51] <fabbione> fsapo: the same way you do in shell
[09:51] <pussfeller> fsapo, i just tested my script on ubuntu and it works, to ogg anyways
[09:52] <jimarko_> Pizbit: Not that i know of :_S
[09:52] <fsapo> fabbione, thanx i ll take a look
[09:52] <Reblended> with the new dist-upgrade will the kernel come patched with the hibernate script?
[09:52] <fabbione> fsapo: a script is nothing more than a defined sequence of commands that you would run manually
[09:52] <lancellor> does anyone have some problems using xmms???
[09:52] <Pizbit> lancellor: Yeah, it uses and out of date toolkit
[09:52] <fsapo> fabbione, yes i know it.. but i dont know how shell script takes the filenames
[09:52] <Pizbit> s/and/an
[09:52] <Myrtti> hmm
[09:52] <Myrtti> you guys want to participate in something?
[09:53] <fabbione> fsapo: it depends if you want N file names or one file names.. it really depends on what you need to do
[09:53] <Myrtti> ie. screenshot?
[09:54] <eruin> Myrtti: ?
[09:54] <lancellor> i installed xmms with $ sudo apt-get install xmms and when i lunch the player does not make any sound and when i push a button stop working
[09:54] <kfc> Hello. has anyone has got experience in setting up Maya??
[09:54] <fsapo> fabbione, i need it to convert all files in a dir like music01.mpc music02.mpc and output music01.mp3 music02.mp3
[09:55] <fsapo> eruin, i ll try changing your script.. thanx
[09:55] <fabbione> fsapo: start with this:
[09:55] <lancellor> any help with the experts???  newbie
[09:55] <Piggeldi> after update yesterday i get the following errors when trying to log in via ssh... and login does not work... any recommendations?
[09:55] <Piggeldi> Apr  7 09:02:16 localhost sshd[12488] : Account olaf has expired
[09:55] <Piggeldi> Apr  7 09:02:16 localhost sshd[12488] : Failed none for invalid user olaf from :: ffff:127.0.0.1 port 33063 ssh2
[09:55] <Piggeldi> Apr  7 09:02:20 localhost sshd[12488] : error: Could not get shadow information f or NOUSER
[09:55] <fabbione> for i in `ls /path/to/the/dir/*.mpc`; do echo $i; done
[09:55] <fabbione> fsapo: ^^
[09:56] <fabbione> that is the loop you need
[09:56] <garrut> Myrtti: what do you mean?
[09:56] <Pizbit> Piggeldi: Read that first line carefully. I think it might be telling you something
[09:56] <fabbione> and echo will only prints the file name
[09:56] <fabbione> fsapo: from there you can expand and change as much as you want
[09:56] <Myrtti> garrut: something like http://irssi.org/themes/roses.png
[09:56] <Piggeldi> Pizbit i did... but my local account works.. and i don't know where to search for this expiration now
[09:57] <eruin> is there a gui tool out there to configure apache2?
[09:57] <pussfeller> lancellor, did your sound work before
[09:57] <Echylo> damn, can please somebody explain me why my browsers(firefox, mozilla) freeze my whole ubuntu when surfing?
[09:57] <lancellor> yes
[09:57] <Echylo> eruin, webmin
[09:57] <eruin> Echylo: smells like flash to me :P
[09:57] <Echylo> no
[09:57] <eruin> Echylo: does that work with ubuntu?
[09:57] <Echylo> yes
[09:57] <lancellor> the music player is working
[09:57] <eruin> kk, thanks ;>
[09:58] <Pizbit> Echylo: nvidia drivers?
[09:58] <Echylo> I use them yes
[09:58] <Pizbit> What version?
[09:58] <Echylo> but it just freezes
[09:58] <Echylo> how do I check?
[09:58] <BeTa> fsapo: what's your mpc decoder ?
[09:58] <Pizbit> Echylo:  apt-cache show nvidia-glx
[09:58] <pussfeller> lancellor, rythmbox?
[09:58] <teardrop> ok
[09:58] <lancellor> i guess
[09:58] <eruin> Echylo: what do I do after installing webmin? ;)
[09:58] <pussfeller> is it off
[09:59] <Echylo> 1.0.7174-0ubuntu1
[09:59] <teardrop> i'm trying to install a real player plugin and a quicktime plugin both for firefox what do i need to do here?
[09:59] <pussfeller> cause only one thing can use the sound card in linux
[09:59] <lancellor> i had to download a plug in for mp3
[09:59] <teardrop> lancellor, what did you use?
[09:59] <Pizbit> Echylo: *shrug* the problem is all over the nvidia forums, be danged if I know why the ubuntu folk used that version
[09:59] <eruin> pussfeller: since when?
[09:59] <pussfeller> since forever
[09:59] <Echylo> hmm ok
[09:59] <super_dude2> about the root acount etc and how i typed the whoami command how come i still cant save stuff normaly
[10:00] <eruin> pussfeller: which is why we use stuff like esd
[10:00] <balor> pussfeller: that is untrue
[10:00] <munki> pussfeller, you a tottaly wrong there
[10:00] <Pizbit> Echylo: File a bug on https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ , search first though
[10:00] <Echylo> with what browser?
[10:00] <Echylo> which one works ?
[10:00] <balor> pussfeller: some cards have no hardware mixer, so like eruin said you have to use esd
[10:00] <lancellor> teardrop, i do not what you mean..  plug in??
[10:00] <pussfeller> i guess i must imagine having to type kill all artsd or esd
[10:01] <Pizbit> Echylo: Just use firefox, oh, and have a read of this and/or paste it in with your bug report http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=31858
[10:01] <fsapo> pussfeller, it almost worked... but its nome renaming the file to .wav :(
[10:01] <munki> pussfeller , I can play both mplayer and xmms at the same time..
[10:01] <pussfeller> with artsd, i have mixing
[10:01] <fsapo> fabbione, thanx :D
[10:01] <teardrop> lancellor, never mind i misunderstood
[10:02] <munki> and i'm not running esd
[10:02] <lancellor> ok
[10:02] <munki> or arts
[10:02] <munki> ^^
[10:02] <eruin> urk, I really hate google directory
[10:02] <lancellor> did anybody have the same problem??
[10:02] <munki> eruin , why so ?
[10:02] <eruin> munki: because it keeps popping up when I search
[10:02] <eruin> instead of real search results :o
[10:02] <munki> eruin , heh :)
[10:03] <munki> learn ! :P
[10:03] <pussfeller> fsapo, you want my script, you would just have to change a few things for using lame
[10:03] <lancellor> i'm trying to migrate from windows but before i do that i have to make this work
[10:03] <Pizbit> Echylo: Comment that you're seeing the problem here https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8661
[10:03] <lancellor> and i have no idea what i'm doing but i'm making progress
[10:04] <fsapo> pussfeller, hehe i forgot to change one line.. i ll try it out again :P
[10:04] <Pizbit> Echylo: Don't forget to specify which version of the drivers you're using
[10:05] <eruin> how does one login to webmin after installing it?
[10:05] <fsapo> pussfeller, now it looks like that its working :D thanx a lot
[10:06] <Echylo> k
[10:06] <lancellor> other question does anybody know what is xlink kai???
[10:06] <Echylo> first trying to fix it ;)
[10:06] <fsapo> BeTa, i using this one http://musepack.net/index.php?pg=lin
[10:07] <fsapo> pussfeller, decoding of file './Rush - 08 - Working Man.mpc'         to file './Rush - 08 - Working Man.wav' :D
[10:07] <froud> can anyone tell me if there is a single file that defines all the desktop menu system and where it is located?
[10:08] <pussfeller> fsapo, now you need to add the tags
[10:08] <gordonjcp> morning all
[10:08] <fsapo> pussfeller, now it worked perfectly :D
[10:08] <fsapo> gordonjcp, moRning!
[10:08] <fsapo> pussfeller, id3 tags u mean? i dont mind about it.. i have all the rush discography to convert =/
[10:08] <xamdm> hi @ all is there a way to find out which packages provides th ui_main.h ???
[10:08] <pussfeller> mppdec doesnt pass on any meta information which is odd
[10:10] <teardrop> how exactly do i install a .bin file?
[10:10] <pussfeller> sh .bin
[10:10] <xamdm> teardrop, chmod 777 filename, and then ./filename
[10:10] <teardrop> which one?
[10:10] <Pol> is it possible to install Ubuntu with only a live CD ?
[10:10] <fsapo> pussfeller, thanx a lot! it worked... i ll modify it to automatically remove the mpc files.. i have a backup :)
[10:10] <Reblended> Pol: I wish
[10:11] <Pol> Reblended: how?
[10:11] <xamdm> teardrop, maybe both :-)
[10:11] <Reblended> I'm still wishing lol
[10:11] <corp> hello
[10:11] <Reblended> I was told no
[10:11] <Pol> oki
[10:11] <teardrop> pussfeller, do i need to be root to do such activity
[10:11] <xamdm> anyone knows whick package provides ui_main.h ??
[10:11] <pussfeller> probably
[10:11] <xamdm> teardrop, yes
[10:12] <teardrop> ok
[10:12] <teardrop> it says i can't execute this binary file
[10:13] <corp> i want to install hoary
[10:13] <teardrop> i'm trying to install the Helix Player plugin for firefox
[10:13] <teardrop> has anyone done this already?
[10:13] <corp> but i only have a wireless network interface
[10:13] <corp> i assume this may be a problem
[10:13] <teardrop> corp, is that a problem?
[10:13] <eruin> shouldn't be a problem
[10:13] <corp> does it come with ndiswrapper?
[10:13] <corp> i need that in order to use my wireless card
[10:14] <eruin> that could be a problem
[10:14] <eruin> :p
[10:14] <corp> indeed
[10:14] <corp> well, i guess i'll just find a wireful plug somewhere
[10:14] <lancellor> by you all
[10:15] <pussfeller> i had to run over to the other house like 5 times and burn cds with only 1 file on them to get my lynsys working :)
[10:15] <kakalto> What are some kde media players?
[10:15] <kakalto> like juk, for example
[10:15] <corp> mine is a linksys
[10:15] <corp> seems to work fine with ndiswrapper
[10:15] <xamdm> kakalto, amarok kaffeine
[10:15] <eruin> http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/ubb.x/a/tpc/f/96509133/m/515002422731/r/675002422731
[10:15] <pussfeller> some of the lyksys have differnt chipsets tho
[10:16] <corp> well ndiswrapper just lets you install the windows driver directly
[10:16] <pussfeller> mine turned out to be a broadcom and worked with ndiswrapper
[10:16] <pussfeller> now i need to flash the wap, i wish i had gotten the gs as i guess it has more ram
[10:17] <fsapo> pussfeller, what does it mean? :D Endelig ferdig! Alt gikk visst bra...
[10:17] <pussfeller> ? looks like something germanic or slavic
[10:18] <eruin> fsapo: ~ "finished", basically
[10:18] <fsapo> eruin, :D
[10:18] <kakalto> cheers, xamdm
[10:19] <tuananh> hi
[10:19] <Reblended> why double compress with tar.gz when you can just 7z?
[10:19] <tuananh> any emacs users there?
[10:19] <padraig_> (miscellaneous hello)
[10:19] <cikilin> hello
[10:20] <tuananh> anyone familiar with fonts in emacs?
[10:20] <cikilin> after upgrade what should i 'll do to listen music?
[10:20] <Reblended> speaking of fonts, know of a good font creator?
[10:20] <xamdm> kakalto, using kubuntu ??
[10:21] <kakalto> nah, but there was a specific media player was after (amarok), as I hear it's pretty good
[10:21] <xamdm> kakalto, jeah, its great
[10:21] <kakalto> where can I get it?
[10:21] <xamdm> warty ore hoary ??
[10:21] <Reblended> apt-get kakalto mebe?
[10:21] <xamdm> just try apt-get install :-)
[10:21] <eruin> you want hoary, ofcourse
[10:21] <eruin> and the url to get it is in the /topic
[10:22] <kakalto> warty
[10:22] <thoreauputic> amarok isn't in the warty repos
[10:22] <cikilin> after upgrade what should i 'll do to listen music?
[10:22] <kakalto> ah
[10:22] <thoreauputic> as far as I can see
[10:22] <kakalto> so you're telling me I should upgrade
[10:22] <eruin> thoreauputic: it is.
[10:22] <Pizbit> cikilin: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:22] <kakalto> eruin: ?
[10:22] <eruin> thoreauputic: err, it isn't ;P
[10:22] <xamdm> kakalto, there will be only an old version in warty, so jou should compile it yourselv ore upgrade to hoary :-)
[10:22] <kakalto> there is no version in warty
[10:22] <kakalto> I'll compile it myself, perhaps?
[10:22] <xamdm> kakalto, universe multiverse ??
[10:23] <kakalto> enabled
[10:23] <eruin> amarok is in main
[10:23] <kakalto> is it?
[10:23] <kakalto> I can't find it
[10:23] <spanglesontoast> dude just convert your mp3 files etc to ogg vorbis :P
[10:23] <thoreauputic> eruin: onlt on hoary
[10:23] <eruin> yea
[10:23] <thoreauputic> *only
[10:23] <xamdm> kakalto, http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/index.php/Download
[10:23] <kakalto> thanks
[10:24] <xamdm> kakalto, but it should be available via apt-get
[10:24] <spanglesontoast> how do I see which version I have?
[10:24] <kakalto> xamdm, not under warty
[10:24] <thoreauputic> xamdm: as has been pointed out already, not in warty
[10:24] <spanglesontoast> oh
[10:24] <spanglesontoast> how do I get mplayer working
[10:25] <xamdm> kakalto, i used warty for a while and i used amarok, maybe i compield it myself can't remember
[10:25] <caffinated> spanglesontoast: install it?
[10:25] <kakalto> I suppose I'll just compile it myself
[10:25] <caffinated> spanglesontoast: you probably want the GUI as well
[10:25] <kakalto> that's just ./configure then make then sudo make install, right?
[10:25] <spanglesontoast> well it won't install
[10:25] <fsapo> pussfeller, thanx a lot man.. soon u ll be able to listen to the songs converted by your script in my radio http://radio.ytsejam.com.br just paste it in xmms or winamp :D
[10:25] <xamdm> thoreauputic, sry, just reading half, trying to find ui_main.h ...
[10:25] <closure> ok
[10:25] <closure> this is simply not working out for me
[10:26] <closure> can anyone take me step by step through installing a plugin for firefox to play video/audio on websites?
[10:26] <thoreauputic> kakalto: you'll probably need a whole bunch of -dev libraries to compile it
[10:26] <fsapo> closure, just a moment
[10:26] <kakalto> I already have a lot of -dev libraries
[10:26] <caffinated> spanglesontoast: that's a little vauge.
[10:26] <closure> fsapo, k thank you
[10:26] <bestadvocate> is it just me or has sound juicer gotten even slower?
[10:26] <kakalto> I have compiled before, I'm just not sure if it's the same with every compilation
[10:26] <caffinated> spanglesontoast: does it error?  what does it do?  (or not do?)
[10:27] <spanglesontoast> well basically It keeps saying I'm missing things
[10:27] <caffinated> ok, like what things?
[10:27] <lewwy> wtf
[10:27] <spanglesontoast> like the gstreamer8.0 plugins which I cannot install
[10:27] <thoreauputic> kakalto: well, i'd expect you to need kde related ones, of coourse
[10:27] <thoreauputic> *course
[10:27] <lewwy> ok guys, im sitting it kubuntu right now, and hell, the harddrive is thrashing itself to holy hell
[10:27] <Burgundavia> spanglesontoast: have you read through www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats ?
[10:27] <Pizbit> spanglesontoast: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:28] <kakalto> I suppose I'll just go through until I hit an error, rectify it, then start again
[10:28] <fsapo> closure, just download this shell script and run it http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646&highlight=users+script+firefox
[10:28] <thoreauputic> lewwy: try running `top` in a terminal to see what's doing it
[10:28] <spanglesontoast> huh
[10:28] <spanglesontoast> well I can't install the plugins
[10:28] <fsapo> closure, it will download and install everything u need.. all plugins and stuff to play videos :)
[10:29] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast:  www.ubuntuguide.org for info on mplayer install
[10:29] <lewwy> thoreauputic, what does wa stand for?
[10:29] <lewwy> oh lol
[10:29] <Pizbit> fsapo: Ooh,t hat looks interesting:)
[10:29] <spanglesontoast> yea I read that
[10:29] <lewwy> thoreauputic, it was reindexing my HDD god knows why
[10:29] <spanglesontoast> but it says nothing about the errors
[10:29] <closure> fsapo, i am in kubuntu this will still work right?
[10:29] <thoreauputic> lewwy: wa ? i don't know
[10:30] <fsapo> Pizbit, very interesting :)
[10:30] <bestadvocate> anyone have a preferred ripper with quality control?
[10:30] <lewwy> thoreauputic, im guessing its probably HDD write or something
[10:30] <fsapo> closure, yes just run it.. u have to need wget installed
[10:30] <fsapo> closure, it will download and install everything for u
[10:30] <closure> ok
[10:30] <closure> should i close firefox while installing this?
[10:30] <bestadvocate> i am going to try out goobox, riperx and grip....
[10:30] <fsapo> closure, no.. it will work when u restart it :)
[10:30] <closure> ok
[10:30] <kzm> anybody know about latency problems with the Hoary kernel?
[10:31] <fsapo> closure, u are not in windows anymore :D
[10:31] <closure> i know this
[10:31] <kzm> I've run latencytest, and am puzzled by the results.
[10:31] <closure> i'm learning!
[10:31] <closure> give me some credit
[10:31] <closure> i've blazed through most of this
[10:31] <closure> >8-)
[10:31] <fsapo> closure, i m just kidding...
[10:31] <fsapo> closure, i just left windows in the past :) 100% linux now
[10:31] <closure> now when i get another hard drive the desktop is going kubuntu as well
[10:31] <fsapo> closure, nice
[10:32] <spanglesontoast> plz someone help
[10:32] <closure> oh crap ass the script stalled
[10:32] <Pizbit> Stalled, or downloading stuff?:)
[10:32] <kzm> what's the problem, spangle?
[10:32] <closure> stalled
[10:32] <bestadvocate> ok goobox is crap...
[10:32] <kakalto> What are some gnome media players?
[10:32] <kakalto> like rhythmbox, for example?
[10:32] <Pizbit> kakalto: beep-media-player rules
[10:32] <closure> wget http://download.ubuntuforums.org/ubuntusetup/ubuntusetup.sh
[10:32] <Pizbit> LIke xmms, but GTK2 (ie, it looks nicer)
[10:32] <kakalto> bmp was alright
[10:32] <Burgundavia> muine is a good music player
[10:33] <closure> connection is timing out connecting to people.debian.org
[10:33] <kakalto> I didn't particularly like the bmp / xmms look
[10:33] <kzm> I like (g)mplayer for music as well as video.
[10:33] <fsapo> closure, :(
[10:33] <spanglesontoast> well
[10:33] <bestadvocate> kakalto: beep media player is basically the more modern gnomish version of XMMMS
[10:33] <spanglesontoast> I can't install mplayer
[10:33] <kakalto> mpd, muine, gmplayer?
[10:33] <Gavrila> hi all, how can I use the installer net configuration script, post installation?
[10:33] <kakalto> *google*
[10:33] <kzm> why not?
[10:33] <bestadvocate> ok what Pizbit said
[10:33] <Pizbit> closure: Neither can I (get there)
[10:33] <closure> ok
[10:34] <closure> what to do then?
[10:34] <spanglesontoast> can't I just tell you what error i get
[10:34] <spanglesontoast> E: Package mplayer has no installation candidate
[10:34] <fsapo> closure, u r getting error to download the files with the script?
[10:35] <fsapo> r u*
[10:35] <closure> i believe so
[10:35] <Burgundavia> spanglesontoast: have you enabled multiverse and universe and added debian marillait?
[10:35] <kzm> spangle, you on Hoary?
[10:35] <Pizbit> spanglesontoast: That's because it's not called mplayer
[10:35] <spanglesontoast> ah
[10:35] <bestadvocate> rhythembox is one of the fiew default gnome applications i use regurally
[10:35] <Pizbit> spanglesontoast: apt-cache search mplayer and choose the one for your cpu type
[10:35] <spanglesontoast> ok....
[10:35] <fsapo> closure, some ftp may be down =/ btw to install it all by hand u ll get a lot of work to do
[10:35] <closure> it's saying 99% [Connecting to people.debian.org (192.25.206.10)] 
[10:35] <kzm> Try mplayer-586?
[10:35] <spanglesontoast> I think I'm on hedgehog
[10:35] <closure> and not doing anything
[10:35] <Gavrila> how can I use the installer net configuration script, post installation?
[10:36] <kzm> a non-hoary one, then? :-)
[10:36] <Burgundavia> closure: people.debian.org seems to be timing out recently. They are having some sort of issue
[10:36] <Burgundavia> closure: what package were you looknig for?
[10:36] <fsapo> Gavrila, what do u want to config?
[10:36] <closure> i'm not real sure
[10:36] <spanglesontoast> yea on hoary
[10:36] <closure> let me look at the shell script
[10:36] <Gavrila> fsapo: my nnetwork
[10:36] <Pizbit> closure: I guess wait a while/day or so and try again and hope they've solved their problems
[10:36] <Gavrila> I hadn't my eth recognized in installation
[10:36] <kzm> did you set up ftp.nerim.net in sources.list?
[10:36] <fsapo> Gavrila, what kind of network? just a lan?
[10:36] <Gavrila> no no my eth interface
[10:37] <kzm> did you search for mplayer in synaptic?
[10:37] <kzm> (or apt-cache search mplayer)
[10:37] <gordonjcp> closure: traceroute people.debian.org - doesn't look happy from my end
[10:37] <gordonjcp> sl-hp1-3-0.sprintlink.net (144.228.208.86) is the last host that responds
[10:37] <Gavrila> the question isn't how to configure a ethernet card, rather how to run the configuration tool the installer uses to configure it :D
[10:38] <closure> hrm i seem to not have traceroute
[10:38] <closure> wonder how that worked out
[10:38] <fsapo> Gavrila, ubuntu didnt detected your card? u can just use the gnome network-config
[10:38] <spanglesontoast> what does apt-cache search mplayer
[10:38] <cikilin> command line is the terminal?
[10:38] <fsapo> cikilin, yes it is :P
[10:38] <Pizbit> cikilin: Yes
[10:38] <Gavrila> fsapo: no it didn't I had to install a 2.6.11 kernel for it... but I 've got kbuntui installed, so no gnome :)
[10:38] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: try it and see for yourself
[10:39] <closure> Burgundavia, i'm not sure can you look at the script and see for me? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646&highlight=users+script+firefox
[10:39] <cikilin> and why do not install a player
[10:39] <cikilin> should i type sudo first?
[10:39] <bestadvocate> woh! goobox actually has more features than sound juicer :-o  i cant beilive they alow quality control but sound juicer does not
[10:39] <closure> oh wtf
[10:39] <closure> it's just apt-get updating
[10:39] <kzm> Anybody know how to get firefox to pass mms:// streams directly to mplayer?  Somebody said about:config, but I can't find the relevant setting.
[10:39] <closure> the last part of the update isn't working for some reason
[10:40] <spanglesontoast> saying it's missing some libs
[10:40] <closure> i'm asuming this is some sort of repository? can i change that some how?
[10:40] <Gavrila> anyway I know how to configure an eth card by hand... it's only I want to use ubuntu scripts... anyone knows how?
[10:41] <kzm> spangles: you're unable to run apt-cache?
[10:41] <Burgundavia> closure: I think that script is sort of nice
[10:41] <spanglesontoast>           Depends: libsvga1 but it is not installable or
[10:41] <spanglesontoast>                         svgalib-dummyg1 but it is not installable
[10:41] <spanglesontoast> yea I ran it
[10:41] <spanglesontoast> but says missing some libs
[10:41] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats  << all relevant stuff here
[10:41] <fsapo> Gavrila, sorry.. but i dont know how to do it by hand in ubuntu :(
[10:41] <closure> Burgundavia, yes i don't think it is the script
[10:41] <Burgundavia> closure: but it installs build-essential
[10:41] <cikilin> because i ./flashplayer-installer and sais that no comand ......
[10:41] <closure> i think it is  my repositories
[10:41] <closure> cause it finaly failed saying "there was a problem with apt-get update"
[10:42] <kzm> Strange - I have it available (libsvga1, that is)
[10:42] <fsapo> closure, it updates your repositories
[10:42] <Gavrila> isn't there anone who knows about  ubuntu installer scripts?
[10:42] <kzm> Check your sources-list?
[10:42] <spanglesontoast> yea
[10:42] <Arnia> I can't apt-get either
[10:42] <spanglesontoast> huh
[10:42] <spanglesontoast> how do i ?
[10:42] <Burgundavia> closure: I had to drop a people.debian.org repo because I couldn't get through
[10:42] <closure> fsapo oh grea
[10:42] <closure> t
[10:42] <Arnia> Its saying Error 111, Connection Removed
[10:42] <closure> so it fucked them
[10:42] <Reblended> just get videolan - forget the restricted formats
[10:43] <Arnia> Refused sorry
[10:43] <closure> how do i redo them to not have people.debian.org and run that shell script?
[10:43] <kzm> (any way tell which repository a package is found in?)
[10:43] <Pizbit> kzm: apt-cache show package gives some information
[10:43] <thoreauputic> kzm: apt-cache policy <package>
[10:43] <closure> it's going after gnome anyhow and i don't even use gnome
[10:44] <fsapo> closure, dont know... never looked at the script.. it just worked here
[10:44] <closure> well hells bells
[10:44] <spanglesontoast> ?
[10:44] <closure> that most certainly is the problem
[10:45] <closure> gnomebaker
[10:45] <closure> wtf is that?
[10:45] <closure> Burgundavia, that's what it is trying to get from people
[10:45] <onno> How do you check the O.S of a webserver.... For example is cnn.com running unix, linux or NT
[10:45] <onno> there is a site where you can check?
[10:45] <onno> does anybody know it
[10:45] <Burgundavia> closure: that can be dropped. It is now in universe
[10:45] <Pizbit> closure: cd/dvd burning program
[10:46] <closure> ok
[10:46] <pdoms> How am I supposed to close down a new login... like undo the making of it? (on a normal legal way plz;))
[10:46] <closure> Burgundavia, are you looking at that script by chance?
[10:46] <closure> can you tell me how to remove that from the script
[10:46] <closure> which lines?
[10:46] <Burgundavia> closure: haven't look at the script
[10:46] <closure> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646&highlight=users+script+firefox
[10:46] <closure> do you mind glancing
[10:46] <closure> it's quite short
[10:47] <Burgundavia> closure: I did
[10:47] <spanglesontoast> how do I add universe?
[10:48] <Burgundavia> closure: can't be removed easily
[10:48] <closure> damnit
[10:48] <Burgundavia> spanglesontoast: see www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:48] <Burgundavia> closure: the change would need to be in a file on the server
[10:48] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:49] <closure> the sources list?
[10:49] <Reblended> how do I bind shortcuts to my winkey?
[10:50] <pussfeller> onno, netcraft.com
[10:50] <closure> Reblended, that looks so wrong
[10:50] <Reblended> heh
[10:50] <spanglesontoast> can't find a way to add universe on that site burgundavia
[10:50] <spanglesontoast> it just says 404
[10:50] <pdoms> How to close down a session opened with "new login" please?
[10:50] <thoreauputic>  spanglesontoast: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:51] <eruin> anyone here know how to use CIA with berlios.de ?
[10:52] <Sp4rKy_old> anyone know how to use correctly sound over hoary ?
[10:52] <borgista> use sound correctly?
[10:52] <borgista> how do you mean?
[10:53] <Sp4rKy_old> I can't play sound !
[10:53] <spanglesontoast> still lost thoreauputic how to add repos
[10:53] <borgista> What is your soundcard?
[10:53] <Sp4rKy_old> when i try to play somtehing with xmms, it crash...
[10:53] <Sp4rKy_old> ac97
[10:53] <borgista> it crashes?
[10:53] <borgista> do you have sound for other things?
[10:54] <cikilin> Enter [F] inish to begin copying files, or [P] revious to go
[10:54] <cikilin> back to the previous prompts: [F] 
[10:54] <borgista> it shouldn't be crashing.
[10:54] <cikilin> what sould i do?
[10:54] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: um...it tells you *exactly* how to add them - just read it
[10:54] <synd> are there any weather things to put in the panels similar to whats in gnome.. but for xfce instead?
[10:54] <spanglesontoast> doesn't it's a different version of synaptic
[10:54] <Sp4rKy_old> for divx i believe
[10:55] <cikilin> yes
[10:55] <borgista> So it plays for video?
[10:55] <Sp4rKy_old> and when i run "test" over system > pref> mutlimedia system ...
[10:55] <Sp4rKy_old> yes
[10:55] <spanglesontoast> oh
[10:55] <borgista> does it work with ESD?
[10:55] <borgista> the test.
[10:55] <spanglesontoast> dw
[10:55] <spanglesontoast> it's me........
[10:56] <MyNameIsChris> Wow, anyone seen this http://www.google.com/intl/xx-piglatin/?
[10:56] <Reblended> is DUN supported in UB?
[10:56] <borgista> right-click xmms main window. go Options > Preferences & at the Output Plugin go with the eSound Output plugin.
[10:56] <Sp4rKy_old> yes i thonk, how can i verify it ?
[10:56] <borgista> just try the instructions i gave you.
[10:56] <borgista> that should clear it up.
[10:57] <spanglesontoast> deb http://www.grawert.net/ubuntu/ warty universe
[10:57] <spanglesontoast> mines not warty
[10:57] <spanglesontoast> it's the hoary
[10:57] <fsapo> MyNameIsChris, wtf is it?
[10:57] <fsapo> MyNameIsChris, latin? O.o
[10:57] <MyNameIsChris> Google in pig latin
[10:57] <fsapo> what is "pig" latin?
[10:58] <Reblended> lol
[10:58] <cikilin> i just install a real player and i dont know where is it
[10:58] <borgista> pig latin is sort of "vulgar" or "common" latin.
[10:58] <borgista> but not really.
[10:58] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: so substitute "hoary" for "warty"
[10:58] <Reblended> http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&q=what%20is%20pig%20latin%3f
[10:58] <Reblended> read that fsapo
[10:58] <spanglesontoast> I just looked on that site
[10:58] <borgista> most people take "pig latin" to be jibberish.
[10:58] <spanglesontoast> and it has hardly any packages on there
[10:58] <synd> you take the first letter of a word, put it at the end, and ad "ay"
[10:58] <synd> add&
[10:58] <closure> f00k
[10:58] <synd> ooglegay
[10:58] <synd> =
[10:58] <synd> google
[10:58] <cikilin> i just install a real player and i dont know where is it
[10:59] <borgista> it should be in /usr/bin cikilin
[10:59] <borgista> if you go to synaptic you could find out where it installed.
[10:59] <Reblended> I'm not going to have broadband in a month.. can I dial out somehow?
[10:59] <cikilin> i want to use it
[10:59] <fsapo> Reblended, lol.. people from google are all crazy i think
[10:59] <synd> yes
[10:59] <synd> ha
[10:59] <Reblended> heh
[10:59] <synd> they have some powerful fucking technology
[10:59] <Reblended> google didn't invent pig latin\
[10:59] <fsapo> some people says that google will rule the world.. and its not very difficult to believe 
[11:00] <synd> i was about to say that
[11:00] <Reblended> lol
[11:00] <Reblended> blame it on google
[11:00] <synd> either them or apple ; )
[11:00] <onno> thx
[11:00] <Reblended> I want my modem to work with UB!
[11:00] <bestadvocate> cikilin do a search for it
[11:00] <Reblended> is it possible?
[11:00] <Reblended> is there DUN in ubuntu?
[11:00] <borgista> DUN?
[11:00] <fsapo> this website is a very good one :) http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/
[11:00] <Reblended> dial up networking
[11:01] <borgista> I believe there is.
[11:01] <spanglesontoast> is hoary a test project?
[11:01] <thoreauputic> Reblended: of course - try running sudo pppconfig
[11:01] <Burgundavia> spanglesontoast: hoary is the development release until tomorrow, when it becomes the stable release
[11:01] <pdoms> Can anyone explain me what a Nested Window is ?
[11:01] <synd> fsapo: thats so tru
[11:01] <Reblended> thx thore
[11:01] <synd> e
[11:01] <spanglesontoast> does it still matter if I'm using it now
[11:01] <Reblended> crazy oogleGay
[11:01] <olene> HEY!  I know you're IN HERE.
[11:01] <Burgundavia> pdoms: in waht context
[11:01] <spanglesontoast> will it auto become the stable
[11:01] <flipy> hi
[11:02] <spanglesontoast> after a few updates?
[11:02] <closure> damnit
[11:02] <synd> fsapo: some people ask me the DUMBEST questions, and im just man just fucking google it
[11:02] <flipy> i'm getting this warning: sh: play: command not found
[11:02] <pdoms> Burgundavia, from new login... I can choose nested option "-n" or not
[11:02] <thoreauputic> pdoms: a window within a window that runs e.g another session of gnome
[11:02] <closure> is there anybody who can change that forum file?
[11:02] <borgista> Hoary for me is REALLY stable.
[11:02] <olene> I WANT MY VODKA!
[11:02] <closure> or post an edited one?
[11:02] <Reblended> oogleGay is my second brain
[11:02] <Burgundavia> pdoms: that means in a small window
[11:02] <Burgundavia> pdoms: ala another application
[11:02] <MyNameIsChris> olene, One day at a time
[11:02] <fsapo> synd, i do it too.. we have a portuguese one www.useaporradogoogle.com
[11:02] <bestadvocate> Burgundavia: will they imidately open up the next release development?
[11:02] <olene> lol
[11:02] <olene> stfu
[11:02] <pdoms> but I don't understand what's different nested or not nested ^o)
[11:02] <Burgundavia> bestadvocate: ask the devs
[11:03] <thoreauputic> pdoms: try it and see
[11:03] <synd> ahaha
[11:03] <Reblended> porra dog is portuguese for f***?
[11:03] <pdoms> k, bbl reboot
[11:03] <Reblended> poor dog. :(
[11:03] <Burgundavia> why is he rebooting?
[11:04] <borgista> seriously.
[11:04] <fsapo> Reblended, no...
[11:04] <Reblended> oh
[11:04] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: because he doesn't know any better I guess
[11:04] <fsapo> Reblended, porra means a lot of things hehe
[11:04] <bestadvocate> has anyone elses burned cds look like they caught a bad case of Pyrite?
[11:04] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic: windows refugee prob
[11:04] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: yep
[11:05] <bestadvocate> i need to start buying better blanks
[11:05] <borgista> bestadvocate: what?
[11:05] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic: installed XP for my bro the other day. 6 hours
[11:05] <thoreauputic> :(
[11:05] <Burgundavia> had to install, remove and reinstall SP2
[11:05] <bestadvocate> Pyrite, that "desease" that fossil's get.
[11:05] <spanglesontoast> really wanting mplayer to work
[11:05] <Reblended> that portuguese link translated: Somebody finds that you she is an idiot because was dull in not checking the Google before making a question. They had given one to you link for this site for trick. The fact of you to have followed link test that they has reason.
[11:05] <Reblended> I wait that this helps.
[11:05] <Reblended> It has a good day.
[11:05] <Sp4rKy_old> sorry, i'm diconnected
[11:05] <bestadvocate> my cds are falling apart... (expecailly the ones I got 5 years ago....
[11:06] <fsapo> Reblended, and "do google" means "the google" in this phrase :P
[11:06] <Reblended> lol
[11:06] <Reblended> the "use google ring"
[11:06] <Sp4rKy_old> so, please help me for my sound issue
[11:06] <Reblended> and his hibernate issue too
[11:06] <borgista> Sp4rKy_old: did you follow my instructions?
[11:07] <synd> how do you force quit a program in term??
[11:07] <Reblended> may I go to bed now please?
[11:07] <Sp4rKy_old> i don't see your instruction, my connection crash before
[11:07] <borgista> oh
[11:07] <closure> synd ctrl+c
[11:07] <fsapo> Reblended, that phrase could be translated as use the fucking google
[11:07] <thoreauputic> synd: ctrl-C if it's in the foreground
[11:08] <synd> thoreauputic: in xfce too?
[11:08] <Reblended> g'night all! and thanks
[11:08] <fsapo> Reblended, night!
[11:08] <thoreauputic> synd: makes no difference - bash is bash
[11:08] <Reblended> oh sorry.. g' morning!
[11:08] <Reblended> sleep time  =] 
[11:08] <fsapo> Reblended, =] 
[11:08] <cikilin> help me
[11:08] <cikilin> please
[11:08] <fsapo> cikilin, whats your problem?
[11:08] <cikilin> i want a player to install
[11:08] <synd> thoreauputic: im pressing ctrl c, nothings happening
[11:08] <fsapo> cikilin, wich player?
[11:08] <synd> im trying to force close xmms
[11:09] <cikilin> anyone to listen music
[11:09] <fsapo> cikilin, like winamp you mean?
[11:09] <cikilin> yes
[11:09] <MyNameIsChris> cikilin, What music?
[11:09] <thor|break> synd: killall xmms
[11:09] <fsapo> cikilin, try xmms
[11:09] <cikilin> i am new in linux
[11:09] <fsapo> cikilin, are u using hoary?
[11:09] <cikilin> the site pls
[11:10] <cikilin> ubuntu
[11:10] <synd> thor|break: thanks, that worked
[11:10] <fsapo> cikilin, just go to System -> administration -> synaptic package manager
[11:10] <cikilin> k
[11:10] <fsapo> cikilin, then try searching xmms
[11:11] <fsapo> cikilin, if it dont find i ll say how u are gonna find it :)
[11:11] <cikilin> it is there
[11:11] <fsapo> so.. just install it :)
[11:11] <cikilin> how pls
[11:12] <fsapo> then right click on it. Install package :)
[11:12] <kakalto> wow
[11:12] <kakalto> I thought that part was more or less intuative
[11:12] <fsapo> kakalto, haha it is :D
[11:13] <cikilin> it does not appear install
[11:13] <kakalto> did you click apply?
[11:13] <cikilin> just mark for installatio
[11:13] <fsapo> yes mark for installation then click apply
[11:13] <kakalto> there's an apply button at the top
[11:14] <cikilin> 10x a lot
[11:14] <kakalto> lol, woops
[11:14] <kakalto> has anyone ever tried to select ALL of the packages, then click "mark for installation"?
[11:14] <kakalto> I might have crashed synaptic...
[11:15] <cikilin> is downloading
[11:15] <cikilin> is good?
[11:15] <fsapo> kakalto, lol
[11:15] <kakalto> hehe
[11:15] <kakalto> That'd be my stupidity quota for today
[11:15] <closure> nice nice nice i love thunderstorms
[11:15] <bestadvocate> kakalto: that would be a little slow if you had universe and multiverse on :-0
[11:15] <closure> whoops wrong window
[11:15] <kakalto> yeah, marking 13000 packages for installation could take a while
[11:16] <fsapo> closure, i was wondering wtf were u talking about hauahau
[11:16] <kent_> Whats the irc command to take back a nick that belongs to you? /release or something like that right?
[11:16] <fsapo> kakalto, lol
[11:16] <kakalto> :P
[11:16] <fsapo> kent_, retrieve?
[11:16] <bestadvocate> heehehe i wonder if I have the disk space to do that :-)
[11:16] <fsapo> kent_, dunno too haha
[11:16] <kakalto> lol, bestadvocate
[11:17] <kakalto> I was wondering how much space it would require to install all 14000 packages in the apt-get
[11:17] <fsapo> kent_, nickserv recover
[11:17] <cikilin> i just install it
[11:17] <bestadvocate> doesnt apt-get have like a default cache max of like 2 gigs?
[11:17] <cikilin> where is the xmms player?
[11:17] <Nermal> is the name of the new testing version something like "breezy badger" ?
[11:17] <MyNameIsChris> Nermal, Sure is
[11:17] <Nermal> cikilin, /usr/bin/xmms ?
[11:17] <fsapo> cikilin, great applications -> Sound & video -> xmms
[11:18] <fsapo> cikilin, or just go to Run and the type xmms or in a terminal
[11:18] <bestadvocate> ohhh i was having fun pronouncing hoary ans whorey
[11:18] <kakalto> cikilin, it might not show up on the applications menu until you restart X
[11:18] <kakalto> bestadvocate, how is it meant to be pronounced?
[11:19] <fsapo> cikilin, just go to application -> run application -> xmms
[11:19] <kakalto> I thought it was meant to be pronounced hoary :P
[11:19] <kent> fsapo, i solved it.  I msg'ed help to nickserv :)  thanks.
[11:19] <kakalto> I mean whorey
[11:19] <bestadvocate> i think like hooo raaay!
[11:19] <cikilin> wow
[11:19] <borgista> hoary does sound almost exacly as "whorey"
[11:19] <cikilin> k
[11:19] <fsapo> kent, u r welcome :)
[11:19] <cikilin> and if i want a shortcut?
[11:19] <bestadvocate> yah thats one slutty hedgehog :)
[11:19] <kakalto> lol
[11:19] <kakalto> what about the next one
[11:20] <kakalto> the 'breezy badger'
[11:20] <fsapo> cikilin, right click on the top bar.. add application launcher
[11:20] <bestadvocate> we need to develop sexual inuendos for this distros name.....
[11:20] <Elyseum> whenever i want to edit my console profile it crashes, how do i solve this,
[11:20] <Elyseum> ?
[11:20] <cikilin> 10x
[11:22] <bestadvocate> bad grrrrrrr?
[11:22] <cikilin> a mp3 cd needs something else to play a song?
[11:22] <pdoms> I understand what nested is, http://users.pandora.be/doms/Schermafdruk-4.png =)
[11:23] <fsapo> cikilin, mp3 cd?
[11:23] <cikilin> yes
[11:23] <nubbe> Anyone know when hoary will become stable?
[11:23] <borgista> Tomorrow.
[11:23] <synd> nubbe: its already quite stable
[11:23] <xamdm> jeah :-)
[11:23] <nubbe> k, thank u
[11:23] <synd> nubbe: officially tomorrow
[11:24] <borgista> And I agree with synd
[11:24] <kakalto> funny how hoary will just suddenly become stable tomorrow, innit?
[11:24] <nubbe> yeah yeah
[11:24] <borgista> Yes, innit.
[11:24] <nubbe> :)
[11:24] <kakalto> :)
[11:24] <JaneW> hi acid
[11:24] <ac-id> jesus h..
[11:24] <ac-id> didnt think there were so many people
[11:24] <synd> think again
[11:24] <ac-id> go TSF
[11:24] <odyssey> ac-id
[11:24] <odyssey> ?
[11:24] <ac-id> and ZA!
[11:24] <JaneW> acid: I am aka 'Nuffing'
[11:24] <ac-id> :)
[11:25] <JaneW> hehe
[11:25] <Burgundavia> ac-id: techically, not TSF, canonical
[11:25] <synd> I NEED TO SLEEP!
[11:25] <synd> ack
[11:25] <Burgundavia> ac-id: same man, different org
[11:25] <MyNameIsChris> synd, Only the weak sleep
[11:25] <Sp4rKy> anybody know how to install a dell printer over hoary ?
[11:25] <JaneW> ac-id: you need help, or just generally browsing?
[11:25] <verden01> what at 7pm
[11:25] <closure> pdmos is that a remote desktop?
[11:25] <closure> err pdoms is that a remote desktop?
[11:25] <synd> verden01: its 530am here.
[11:26] <verden01> wow and no sleep yet  :-)
[11:26] <synd> not at all
[11:26] <ac-id> aloha
[11:27] <ac-id> ah right
[11:27] <verden01> when is the final release of ubuntu?
[11:27] <synd> im gonna go outside and have a cig
[11:27] <ac-id> k crap my tunnel is slow on me :(
[11:27] <synd> verden01: tomorrow
[11:27] <ac-id> Hoary?
[11:27] <ac-id> soonish isnt it?
[11:27] <synd> verden01: hoary stable is out tomorrow
[11:27] <borgista> Final release??? Never!...but Hoary comes out OFFICIALLY tomorrow.
[11:27] <pdoms> closure, nopz
[11:27] <pdoms> closure, it's a local login, my dad's account ;)
[11:27] <verden01> so if i do an apt-get update and upgrade i should download the latest files?
[11:28] <borgista> verden01...you have to change all the instance of "warty" to "hoary"
[11:28] <kakalto> so...
[11:28] <synd> have you guys found any distro that comes with as much or more and is as easy to use as ubuntu?
[11:28] <verden01> i'm running hoary RC now
[11:28] <closure> oh
[11:28] <closure> ok
[11:28] <kakalto> warty is going to be supported for another year?
[11:28] <kakalto> wow
[11:28] <ac-id> yeah
[11:28] <closure> pdoms, do you know about how to remote desktop an xp box?
[11:28] <MyNameIsChris> synd, Fedora Core is uber-easy and has alot of packages
[11:28] <ac-id> Novell Linux Desktop
[11:28] <ac-id> im busy doing a comparitive summary with the two
[11:29] <kakalto> I think FC has too many packages, myself
[11:29] <kakalto> 4 cds worth...
[11:29] <borgista> but Novell Linux isn't free.
[11:29] <murci> hello
[11:29] <pdoms> with vnc is an option.. I don't know if it's possible to use windows xp remote desktop system
[11:29] <pdoms> closure,
[11:29] <murci> i don't like rpm-packages
[11:29] <murci> dependecy problems
[11:29] <synd> MyNameIsChris: FC3?
[11:29] <verden01> Libranet is great but ubuntu is not bloated and has the ability of debain so you can install more packages if desired
[11:29] <MyNameIsChris> synd, Yes
[11:29] <ac-id> yeah
[11:29] <ac-id> the fact it comes on 1cd owns
[11:29] <MyNameIsChris> synd, Core 4 is out soon I think
[11:30] <murci> i think mepis is pretty good too
[11:30] <synd> MyNameIsChris: fc3 is debian, like ubuntu right?
[11:30] <kakalto> no
[11:30] <kakalto> red hat
[11:30] <MyNameIsChris> synd, NO
[11:30] <borgista> NO
[11:30] <MyNameIsChris> Redhat
[11:30] <borgista> Redhat
[11:30] <Bazzi> synd, no redhat :p
[11:30] <synd> holy shit
[11:30] <kakalto> lol
[11:30] <synd> i just woke the monsters
[11:30] <MyNameIsChris> haha
[11:30] <cikilin> how can i listen music?
[11:30] <borgista> Everyone jumped!
[11:30] <cikilin> on ubuntu?
[11:30] <cikilin> or see movies?
[11:30] <kakalto> cikilin, try www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:30] <verden01> ubuntu is the only distro so far to recognise all my hardware on my AMD64
[11:30] <kakalto> look at some stuff there
[11:30] <fsapo> cikilin, did xmms worked?
[11:31] <pdoms> ciao guys
[11:31] <fsapo> verden01, ubuntu rlz :)
[11:31] <lunitik> cikilin: 'sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad && rhythmbox &'
[11:31] <verden01> FC3 is rpm based
[11:31] <synd> i have many friends that swear by red hat.. i had to go the other way : )
[11:31] <fsapo> pdoms, see ya!
[11:31] <verden01> :)
[11:31] <cikilin> yes but i do not know to add from cd
[11:31] <MyNameIsChris> I guess it is good to have experience with Redhat's system config tools
[11:31] <lunitik> synd: good reasoning
[11:31] <borgista> i was never really happy with red-hat based distros.
[11:31] <verden01> hey debain based distro's rule
[11:31] <fsapo> verden01, :)
[11:31] <verden01> they just work
[11:31] <cikilin> or linux is not seeing it
[11:31] <lunitik> MyNameIsChris: not really... its not like they are complicated  ;)
[11:31] <kakalto> red hat is tried & tested many many times, I suppose
[11:32] <fsapo> cikilin, u need to mount the cd
[11:32] <lunitik> kakalto: and Debian isn't?
[11:32] <MyNameIsChris> But Redhat is very common business OS
[11:32] <kakalto> lunitik, depends
[11:32] <synd> i think ill stick with ubuntu
[11:32] <synd> maybe ill try out fc4 when it comes out
[11:32] <murci> i think i'll stick with mepis :)
[11:32] <verden01> kubuntu is great also
[11:32] <synd> i hate* kde
[11:32] <verden01> as i like KDE
[11:32] <kakalto> I mean, look at debian, everyone uses either testing or experimental, no-one uses stable
[11:32] <kakalto> stable is too old
[11:32] <synd> xfce is for me : )
[11:33] <kakalto> stable is too stable
[11:33] <MyNameIsChris> I am a Gnome guy
[11:33] <lunitik> synd: I keep trying Fedora... hoping it will be decent... they make good choices... but packaging tools are always lame  :(
[11:33] <verden01> but i've found gnome in ubuntu hoary to be much better
[11:33] <kakalto> synd, xfce is for me too :)
[11:33] <synd> stable IS NO FUN!
[11:33] <murci> here we go again with DE-flames ;-)
[11:33] <lunitik> synd: although, yum does keep getting better...
[11:33] <MyNameIsChris> lunitik, You can use apt with FC
[11:33] <lunitik> MyNameIsChris: eh... but it still sucks... crap repositories
[11:33] <murci> MyNameIsChris, the rpm-repositories aren't very good
[11:33] <murci> :)
[11:33] <willem> Will ubuntu have java and w32codecs in ports in the future?
[11:33] <cikilin> k
[11:33] <cikilin> done
[11:33] <bestadvocate> i need audacity, Pearl jam has a 13 min song with 10 min of blank air :)
[11:34] <cikilin> 10x :)
[11:34] <thoreauputic> willem: no, because of legal issues
[11:34] <synd> bestadvocate: apt-get install audacity
[11:34] <fsapo> willem, i dont think so.. cause ubuntu just have open source software
[11:34] <MyNameIsChris> lunitik, True, Debian is elite at package management
[11:34] <bestadvocate> ;) ty synd
[11:34] <verden01> thats the beauty of debain you can run stable, testing or sid so it suits many people
[11:34] <lunitik> MyNameIsChris: Fedora (Seth) just tries to fulfill too many use cases... and loses sight of things that matter to most
[11:35] <murci> verden01, almost every distribution has that
[11:35] <verden01> yeah
[11:35] <synd> anyone run damnsmall?
[11:35] <bestadvocate> verden01: i dont think running debian stable is really that much of an option for most poeple ;-)
[11:35] <kakalto> verden01, but if they acutally want to use their linux, stable is a stupid idea
[11:35] <murci> not the most recent version
[11:35] <MyNameIsChris> I was just answering synd's question, it is easy and has alot of packages
[11:35] <verden01> but debian is better :)
[11:35] <murci> synd, hard disk install sucks
[11:35] <lunitik> MyNameIsChris: He is only just now starting to figure out that loading the entire repo every time you even search is annoying
[11:35] <verden01> i agree testing or sid for me
[11:35] <murci> DS hard disk install that is
[11:35] <synd> murci: whatcha mean?
[11:36] <MyNameIsChris> lunitik, Yeah, I hate that
[11:36] <synd> murci: its only like 50MB apparently
[11:36] <synd> right?
[11:36] <murci> synd, well, i tried to install DS to hard disk a few times, but it's not a terrific installer
[11:36] <murci> yup
[11:36] <murci> the system u end up with is not really useable
[11:36] <murci> it's great as a livecd
[11:36] <murci> fast and everything
[11:36] <synd> ah i see
[11:36] <lunitik> MyNameIsChris: actually... it loads the headers... but yeah... annoying... in FC4, they took that out... now it only looks for whats changed... and loads that
[11:36] <thoreauputic> synd: right, 50MB - but not debian compatible ( different X for one thing)
[11:36] <lunitik> MyNameIsChris: cuts down time a lot...
[11:36] <synd> it looks quite stripped down
[11:37] <murci> yup, business card :)
[11:37] <thoreauputic> synd: good for old machines
[11:37] <lunitik> MyNameIsChris: although, FC4t1 pretty much sucked for the most part... that was about the only thing that seemed decent
[11:37] <murci> thoreauputic, hmmm, but not as good as vector for that
[11:37] <lunitik> (I have no idea how they create _THAT_ many bugs in what is stable software upstream  >:| )
[11:37] <thoreauputic> murci: depends how old the machine is, but yeah :)
[11:38] <synd> i wonder if i could get DS on my palm
[11:38] <murci> thoreauputic: vector makes a 100MHz cpu lightning fast ;-)
[11:38] <murci> synd: i'm afraid not :)
[11:38] <MyNameIsChris> synd, What Palm have you got
[11:38] <synd> tungsten
[11:38] <MyNameIsChris> I have a Zire
[11:38] <Jimbob> Does anyone know if Daniel Holbach is on IRC?
[11:38] <MyNameIsChris> 72
[11:39] <bestadvocate> anyone use audactity?
[11:39] <synd> i had a zire 71
[11:39] <MyNameIsChris> synd, I really like my Zire 72, does everything I need it to
[11:39] <synd> they are nice
[11:39] <MyNameIsChris> Which Tungsten?
[11:39] <bestadvocate> audacity or whatever its called? cause i got a "error instalizing io layer"
[11:39] <kakalto> bestadvocate, I've used it once or twice
[11:39] <kakalto> but I installed it from the livecd onto windows :P
[11:40] <pussfeller> my m105 rules you all
[11:40] <bestadvocate> aggg! nm
[11:40] <kakalto> my QL pwns
[11:40] <synd> MyNameIsChris: tungsten t5
[11:40] <MyNameIsChris> synd, Nice
[11:40] <murci> now that m105 s high tech ;-)
[11:40] <bestadvocate> from livecd onto windows? thats possible?
[11:41] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: you could try "sweep" instead of audacity - does similar things
[11:41] <murci> it's only a shame that those palms and ppc's are so expensive
[11:41] <bestadvocate> sweep? ok all  i need to do is cut off a seciton of an ogg file
[11:41] <kakalto> bestadvocate, you put the livecd into the drive under windows, it comes up with a program installer thing
[11:41] <murci> pocketpc's, not powerpc's :)
[11:41] <Burgundavia> what package in the dictionary panel applet in?
[11:42] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: apt-cache show sweep
[11:42] <synd> powerpcs are expensive too : )
[11:42] <synd> i have 5 :x
[11:42] <bestadvocate> i am already installing it (i use synaptic btw)
[11:42] <murci> but they don't fit in your pocket ;-)
[11:42] <lunitik> Looks pretty cool... wondering if I should try it out...
[11:42] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: dict.org has problems currently , BTW
[11:42] <murci> synd: give me one ;-)
[11:43] <bestadvocate> kakaloto live cd for ubuntu? or something else?
[11:43] <MyNameIsChris> synd, me too. Got any iBooks?
[11:43] <synd> my mac mini can fit in a cargo pocket : P
[11:43] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic: I know that. I want to fill a bug regarding the error message
[11:43] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: try test.dict.org instead
[11:43] <thoreauputic> test.dict.org works here
[11:43] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic: ok, but the error message shouldn't be another window
[11:43] <synd> MyNameIsChris: i sure do : ) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/pmartin245/DSCN0553.jpg
[11:44] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: yeah, it's a bit of a mess I agree
[11:44] <murci> synd: lmao, you mac freak! :)
[11:44] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic: I lose the error message everytime
[11:44] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: and currently "dict" in a terminal doesn't wok, of course
[11:44] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic: do you have an answer to my original question?
[11:44] <murci> ipod and everything... i'm happy with my zen touch ;-)
[11:44] <synd> murci: once you go mac, you never go back
[11:44] <bestadvocate> haha i like sweep its ghetto fabulous:)
[11:45] <synd> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/pmartin245/DSCN0554.jpg
[11:45] <synd> thers the other side : )
[11:45] <kakalto> wow
[11:45] <murci> :)
[11:45] <kakalto> that took a while
[11:45] <MyNameIsChris> synd, wow, you're giving me all that?
[11:45] <synd> yes
[11:45] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: I don't know the package for it, no, sorry
[11:45] <kakalto> I selected everything, and "mark for installation"
[11:45] <MyNameIsChris> synd, thanks alot
[11:45] <kakalto> it took over 20mins to figure out it's not possible :P
[11:45] <murci> unfortunately, i need windows for some programs
[11:45] <odyssey> is the ubuntu login screen changing to whats on the ubuntu website?
[11:45] <Burgundavia> odyssey: that is old, from warty
[11:46] <synd> murci: like what?!
[11:46] <murci> solidworks
[11:46] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: hav eyou tried apt-cache search gnome-panel | grep applet or similar ?
[11:46] <murci> ideas
[11:46] <murci> etc
[11:46] <murci> really to big things to emulate
[11:46] <synd> the ONLY reason i have windows right now is so that i can use itunes music sharing with the music on that HDD throughout my house
[11:47] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic: got it
[11:47] <synd> and god damn apple wont do itunes for linux
[11:47] <murci> they wouldn't profit a lot
[11:47] <odyssey> Burgundavia, the 5 people standing around in a circle?
[11:47] <synd> they ported it from osx to windows.. i mean osx to linux wont be shit
[11:47] <murci> you have a point
[11:48] <Burgundavia> odyssey: 5 people in circle is the new login screen
[11:48] <lunitik> synd: crossover can do it... so can pymusique afaik
[11:48] <lunitik> synd: which I think has a gtk port
[11:48] <synd> lunitik: crossover?
[11:48] <murci> crossover office
[11:48] <murci> tru, pymusique, forgot about that
[11:49] <lunitik> synd: yes... codeweavers...
[11:49] <synd> pymusique is just for buying off the itunes store
[11:49] <synd> buying without the DRM encoded at the end of the file
[11:49] <murci> i hate drm
[11:49] <xamdm> synd, mtdaapd
[11:50] <nubbe> I'm looking for something like g-spot and utils to fix broken movies, any tips?
[11:50] <murci> certainly when it's used to protect prn ;-)
[11:50] <bestadvocate> note to self: dont update ubuntu artwork....
[11:50] <xamdm> synd, ist sreams music like iTunes :-)
[11:50] <bestadvocate> hey has anyone else been paying attention to the whole nautilus ubuntu modifcations scandle?
[11:50] <murci> not me :)
[11:50] <xamdm> synd, and there is a pro tunesbrowser (does the same with a gui)
[11:51] <ac-id> lol i think ive used synaptic about 3 times
[11:51] <murci> cuz i don't use ubuntu, but this looked like a fun irc-channel ;-)
[11:51] <ac-id> im so used to using apt-get
[11:51] <synd> xamdm: can i stream music from other computer on my network?
[11:51] <Pluk> about spatial orsomthing?
[11:51] <Jimbob> bestadvocate: "modifications scandal"?
[11:51] <Pluk> dunno though not using nautilus
[11:51] <xamdm> synd, do jou want to listen ore to stream ??
[11:51] <bestadvocate> Jimbob: emphasis added for dramatization
[11:51] <ac-id> its a pity though that u dont have a choice between kde and gnome
[11:51] <ac-id> installation wise that is
[11:52] <keffo> modprobe -v -r fglrx
[11:52] <Pluk> ac-id use the kubuntu cd vor installing ubuntu with kde
[11:52] <keffo> FATAL: Module fglrx is in use.
[11:52] <keffo> hm?
[11:52] <Jimbob> bestadvocate: Erm, OK, what "modifications" did they do, and why is it dramatic?
[11:52] <ac-id> also there is not much geared towards wireless either
[11:52] <synd> xam, id just like to listen for right now
[11:52] <keffo> i want to unload it damnit
[11:52] <ac-id> im speaking on behalf of the idiots i work with
[11:52] <murci> i'm trying to change from kde to xfce, but i'm so used to kde...
[11:52] <synd> xamdm: id just like to listen for right now
[11:52] <xamdm> synd, try tunesbrwoser, just google for it, ore JTunes :-)
[11:52] <synd> murci: i didnt like kde at all : /
[11:52] <jono> hi all
[11:52] <codemac> Does anyone here use the screen command?
[11:52] <bestadvocate> they switched the effects fo middle click and center click
[11:53] <bestadvocate> (duh i ment left click)
[11:53] <ruffian> HiddenWolf, my computer slows down sometimes when i run firefox. Anyone know why?
[11:53] <murci> synd: well, i've used gnome for a while, but then changed to kde
[11:53] <nubuntu> bestadvocate: what a scandal, indeed
[11:53] <synd> i had gnome running on my p3 600mhz 128mb laptop and it ran ok, then i put xfce on it and it's doing so so so much better
[11:53] <closure> codemac, sometimes what do you need?
[11:53] <synd> Pluk: i love it too
[11:53] <bestadvocate> ndeed nubuntu :)
[11:53] <Jimbob> bestadvocate: You mean middle-click opens, and left-click selects?
[11:53] <ruffian> Hi , my computer slows down sometimes when i run firefox. Anyone know why?
[11:54] <murci> ruffian: which extensions do you have installed?
[11:54] <MyNameIsChris> Have you tried seeing how many resources it uses in top?
[11:54] <codemac> closure, I am having problems with it and aterm
[11:54] <murci> none?
[11:54] <gsuveg> re
[11:54] <gsuveg>  * Restarting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd
[11:54] <lunitik> Jimbob: middle keeps parent open... left closes parent and opens child
[11:54] <gsuveg> cupsd: Child exited on signal 15!
[11:54] <gsuveg> boing. an amd64 box :(
[11:54] <Jimbob> ah
[11:54] <ruffian> murci, what do you mean by extensions?
[11:54] <bestadvocate> Jimbob: left click opens and closes windows, middle click opens window and leaves old window closed (its all on the ubuntu dev list)
[11:54] <closure> codemac, i do too i have no idea what to tell you it's not the easiest thing to figure out
[11:54] <codemac> closure, instead of showing my prompt correctly it shows a bunch of crazy characters
[11:55] <Jimbob> "eh" :-)
[11:55] <murci> ruffian: you can install extensions like "adblock" to block ads etc. But i assume you have none of those installed?
[11:55] <bestadvocate> anyone know what glame does?
[11:55] <codemac> closure, yet in xterm everything works fine
[11:55] <ossiii> i know, it sounds lame, but - i cant get php4 running with apache2, can anyone give any hint, where i should change anything? i have warty ubuntu, and i havent changed a lot
[11:55] <lunitik> murci: firefox or epiphany being discussed?
[11:55] <closure> wait you're screening an x program?
[11:55] <ruffian> murci, it's running version 1.02 . I have flash plugin, mplayer plugin
[11:55] <murci> lunitik: firefox sometimes slows down ruffian's comp
[11:56] <HiddenWolf> ruffian, because firefox is a memory-hog
[11:56] <nubuntu> glame = audio editing
[11:56] <synd> what do i do after i downloaded the .tar.bz file ? ?
[11:56] <murci> ruffian: well, i must say, yesterday I had a lot of troubs with firefox slowing down my puter too
[11:56] <codemac> closure, I mean I type "screen" in aterm, and everything is funky.  If I type "screen" in an XTerm, everything is fine
[11:56] <ruffian> HiddenWolf: That was a typo before with your name :)
[11:56] <murci> I even switched back to mozilla
[11:56] <thoreauputic> HiddenWolf: umm - I have 30 tabs open in firefox and evrything runs fine
[11:56] <closure> *shrugs*
[11:56] <nubuntu> similar to audacity
[11:56] <closure> that is rather odd though
[11:57] <fsapo> lol my desktop rlz :D http://img228.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img228&image=screenshot8mg.jpg
[11:57] <closure> seems like it would be the other way
[11:57] <ruffian> murci: mozilla runs faster? I though firefox is supposed to be the light-weight version of mozilla?
[11:57] <ac-id> firefox sits on top of mozilla
[11:57] <ac-id> or is built on it rather
[11:57] <MyNameIsChris> Mozilla is an entire suite of stuff, firefox is just a browser
[11:57] <murci> ruffian: in my case, mozilla runs faster, since firefox blocks  :)
[11:57] <codemac> Yeah, it really does
[11:57] <thoreauputic> ac-id: no it just uses the gecko rendering engine
[11:58] <EricNeon> smurfix,
[11:58] <murci> MyNameIsChris: you can install the mozilla-browser seperately, you don't have to install the whole suite
[11:58] <smurfix> EricNeon: ?
[11:58] <bestadvocate> Mozilla is soon to be known as seamonkey anyway
[11:58] <ruffian> murci: ok
[11:58] <lunitik> murci: if firefox is hogging memory for him... its a bad idea to have him use mozilla-browser...
[11:58] <HiddenWolf> thoreauputic: firefox uses 175mb for me
[11:59] <nubbe> how do I fix a broken .avi in ubuntu?
[11:59] <MyNameIsChris> murci, I didn't know that never used Mozilla
[11:59] <lunitik> ruffian: try epiphany or galeon
[11:59] <murci> 175??
[11:59] <MyNameIsChris> But I have to fly
[11:59] <EricNeon> we will link www.ubuntu-zh.org to www.ubuntu.org.cn
[11:59] <murci> cya
[11:59] <murci> I liked galeon a lot
[11:59] <zbowling> I love galeon
[11:59] <murci> but firefox is so easy to use
[11:59] <ruffian> lunitik: Yea i will give them ago. And the thing is, my computer is quite fast...AMD 3000+ with 512MB ram, so it's quite strange
[12:00] <murci> memory shouldn't be the problem ;-)
[12:00] <bestadvocate> yah if you got mem problems use oh crap whats that one called with the 500 kb install?
[12:00] <ruffian> Which browser comes with gnome?
[12:01] <murci> galeon, no?
[12:01] <murci> it's been a while since i last used gnome
[12:01] <murci> or epiphany?
[12:01] <bestadvocate> epiphany
[12:01] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: maybe dillo ?
[12:01] <Burgundavia> epip
[12:01] <bestadvocate> yah thats the ticket
[12:01] <ruffian> ah ok
[12:01] <zbowling> i wouldn't say ether one come with gnome ;-)
[12:01] <zbowling> since they both use gtkembedmoz
[12:01] <lunitik> ruffian: yeah... I never looked at mem usage for firefox on gnome before... wow... I hit 100mb with 5 tabs... I've had like 15 or so open before, but not actually noticed real slow down...
[12:02] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: dillo is OK but limited ( no java, frames etc or https )
[12:02] <lunitik> ruffian: that must have been using a lot of mem though...
[12:02] <fsapo> anyone knows a good mp3 server to xchat like sprjubox or omneserv?
[12:02] <murci> lunitik: wow, that's insane
[12:02] <ruffian> lunitik: yes indeed
[12:02] <bestadvocate> thereauputic: if you computer is limited, best to limit your browser too...
[12:03] <zbowling> gnome is getting better :-) i'm on the gnome/mono teams and we are getting money from novell and putting bountys to lower memory ussage though out gnome and that includes firefox
[12:04] <lunitik> zbowling: they should have a team devoted to firefox mem usage... thats crazy to me... never even noticed it before though
[12:04] <ericf> I have a question about gnome-btdownload in hoary. I was happy to see it supports resuming, but when I quit it after downloading 20MB of a cd-image, it then resumes at 14 mb. Is 6MB lost?
[12:04] <codemac> It might be cached, but not written to the drive
[12:04] <bestadvocate> zbowling: your on the mono teams? whats up with the amd64 sid builds?
[12:04] <Bazzi> firefox mem usage isnt exactly a gnome issue, is it?
[12:04] <ruffian> heh
[12:05] <ericf> codemac: So that means the program should write it to drive before exiting, right?
[12:05] <ruffian> Shouldn't the firefox moziila team suppose to handle that?
[12:05] <zbowling> bestadvocate: I'm not on the debian/ubuntu mono build teams even though lately I've been helping more that i care for :-)
[12:05] <lunitik> zbowling: haven't used a computer with less then 512 RAM in a while though (my last comp had 512, this one has 640) ... I'd imagine people would get quite a hit from that on older hardware...
[12:05] <bestadvocate> zbowling: cool :)
[12:05] <zbowling> well this machine is 256mb and it runs wonderful with gnome
[12:05] <codemac> ericf, maybe it is uncleanly exiting for some reason
[12:05] <ericf> codemac: No I quit it on purpose to test the resume function.
[12:05] <bestadvocate> alright X is acting funny i gtg
[12:06] <Bazzi> heh the new ubuntu artwork is cool
[12:06] <murci> i feel like pizza
[12:06] <ruffian> i will brb
[12:06] <mhale> hello all
[12:06] <murci> bye all :)
[12:07] <thoreauputic> a lot of firefox mem is virtual mem - it has 47MB resident here, the rest is vitual
[12:07] <codemac> ericf, ok.. well I know that bittorrents utilize a lot of caching.  The section may not have finished downloading.  4megs is one of the larger sizes for a part, but it seems reasonable that if it didn't finish downloading the part before you quit that it would go ahead and try to download that part again
[12:07] <thoreauputic> *virtual
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> codemac: yes because it's hash based
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> if the hash doesn't match
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> it redownloads the data
[12:08] <codemac> ericf, and there you have it
[12:08] <ericf> codemac: Yes, that indeed makes sense. It's just that 4mb would seem so big to me. This is about the ubuntu-hoary live-cd, by the way.
[12:09] <ericf> HrdwrBoB: Ah, ok. Thank you. I think that will do
[12:09] <codemac> Yeah, 4 is kinda big, but it all depends on the torrent's author
[12:10] <ericf> Now I stopped it at 94, and it resumed at 84... But anyway, resuming works to a certain degree, which is nice
[12:10] <ericf> codemac: But what is a torrent author? Does he specify the segment size?
[12:11] <zbowling> http://www.polystimulus.com/java-install-ubuntu.sh
[12:11] <zbowling> not sure if the it still works
[12:11] <zbowling> since sun changes some links around
[12:11] <zbowling> but its nice/fun
[12:12] <codemac> ericf, When a torrent is created, the "author" gets to choose what size to make the segments
[12:12] <ericf> codemac: Ok, i see
[12:12] <dryzer> hi
[12:12] <cikilin> i want to install jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586-rpm.bin.torrent
[12:12] <cikilin> can i?
[12:13] <zbowling> rpm = icky nasty boom
[12:14] <cikilin> how i install jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586-rpm.bin.torrent?
[12:14] <dryzer> where i can find a webpage who explain how install the least possible package... to have the most simple system !?
[12:14] <zbowling> cikilin: its rpm
[12:14] <mz2> zbowling, why's rpm (via alien) so evil? i haven't had any problems with the few alien-created .deb packages i've installed
[12:14] <ericf> I'm inflicting free software on my girlfriend here, she's happily running ubuntu now. But I mounted her windows drive as a subdir in her homedir. It's fat32. Because all permissions must be the same, I made it executable to make the directories work. But now when she opens a .txt file, nautilus says "Hey, this is an executable file! Do you want to run it, or open it?". What a smart way to avoid this message every time opening a file?
[12:14] <Bazzi> cikilin download, unpack, alien -i %filename%
[12:14] <mz2> everyone seems to have very negative views of alien :)
[12:14] <cikilin> and if is rpm?
[12:14] <Bazzi> use alien
[12:15] <Bazzi> mz2 yeah, its evil :P
[12:15] <Bazzi> it didnt work for me for exactly that package
[12:15] <cikilin> k
[12:15] <nubuntu> ciklilin: download the torrentfile first
[12:15] <cikilin> i want to have a program to download
[12:15] <thoreauputic> mz2: alien is OK but rpm packages don't always contain everything that's needed
[12:15] <nubuntu> qtorrent
[12:15] <nubuntu> bittorrent
[12:15] <nubuntu> azureus
[12:15] <nubuntu> take your pick
[12:16] <cikilin> how i 'll install that
[12:16] <ac-id> what wireless tools are there for configuring a wireless card in Ubuntu?
[12:16] <nubuntu> ac-id : vim :)
[12:16] <ruffian> I think i found the problem
[12:17] <ruffian> It's the swf player
[12:17] <ruffian> it's hogging a lot of usage
[12:17] <ruffian> bdzone   11938 26.0  0.4  13276  2260 ?        Sl   20:09   0:35 swf_play --xid 37748781 --plugin
[12:17] <ruffian> bdzone   11941 27.1  0.5  13684  2760 ?        Sl   20:09   0:36 swf_play --xid 37748782 --plugin
[12:17] <ruffian> bdzone   11944 25.6  0.4  13416  2448 ?        Sl   20:09   0:34 swf_play --xid 37748783 --plugin
[12:17] <nubuntu> cikilin: y don't you use apt-get to install java?
[12:17] <cikilin> did
[12:18] <nubuntu> and?
[12:18] <cikilin> k
[12:18] <gomez> ericf: system > preferences > file management > behaviour > view...
[12:19] <ruffian> i will bbl
[12:19] <debiuntu> after update throuth ubuntu srclist, my Sarge is monster now:(
[12:19] <bob2> ericf: you can use the fmask and dmask mount options to address that, I think
[12:20] <debiuntu> It's possible that i turn my debiuntu back to ubuntu base system?
[12:20] <cikilin> i took bittorent
[12:20] <cikilin> install?
[12:20] <bob2> debiuntu: not easily
[12:21] <cikilin> can y help me?
[12:21] <debiuntu> hmm.... :(
[12:21] <Okys> hey all!
[12:21] <gomez> debiuntu: you can force versions on everything but.. yuck
[12:21] <debiuntu> gomez, how to do that?
[12:21] <ericf> gomez and bob2 : Thank you both, very useful :)
[12:22] <Nermal> cikilin, don't bother with bitttorrent for that, just grab it from java.sun.com
[12:22] <cikilin> bob2 to install bittorrent first step pls
[12:22] <declan> quick impression: some of you will have seen how ubuntu is shooting up the distrowatch charts.  It's now not just no. 1, but way way ahead of everyone.  Even at the 6months count it is over a hundred hits ahead of Mandrake.  Obviously some groups are doing this on purpose, or is it just that there is a new release tomorrow?
[12:22] <Nermal> and you don't want the rpm.bin file anyway
[12:23] <Nermal> cikilin, follow http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[12:23] <Burgundavia> declan: it is difficult to spoof the distrowathc charts
[12:23] <bob2> cikilin: same as installing everything else
[12:23] <Burgundavia> declan: one hit per IP per day
[12:23] <declan> Is it?
[12:23] <thoreauputic> declan: that's a very cynical view :)
[12:23] <bob2> cikilin: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto, bittornado is the package
[12:23] <declan> Now, its a question
[12:23] <cikilin> k
[12:23] <cikilin> trying
[12:23] <Burgundavia> I see it
[12:23] <Nermal> cikilin, no point
[12:23] <declan> I'm surprised that's all.  I've seem other things like that elsewhere.
[12:23] <gomez> debiuntu: hmm... in synaptic you could remove all repositories but the ubuntu ones...
[12:23] <bob2> debiuntu: I don't think anyone would care enough to try to fake distrowatch
[12:23] <Nermal> cikilin, you don't want the rpm.bin file anyway
[12:24] <bob2> declan: I don't think anyone would care enough to try to fake distrowatch
[12:24] <declan> Good, it seemed counterproductive, were it the case.
[12:24] <thoreauputic> declan: Ubuntu is just very popular right now - it may drop a bit when the novelty wears off
[12:24] <Burgundavia> anybody else having slow cd writing?
[12:24] <declan> I like the thing myself, and type to you all from it.
[12:24] <gomez> debiuntu: then filter the installed list for local or obsolete packages and then force their versions to the ubuntu ones
[12:24] <declan> Just amazed at its sudden rise
[12:24] <Nermal> Burgundavia, hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc ?
[12:24] <thoreauputic> declan: yoper was similar a while ago, then dropped down
[12:25] <Nermal> dma seems to be disabled on cd drives in ubuntu :|
[12:25] <thoreauputic> declan: the free CDs help, I'm sure :)
[12:25] <Burgundavia> Nermal:  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[12:25] <declan> Now doubt.  I'll be giving them out, whenever they arrive.
[12:25] <bob2> Nermal: yes, since lots of chipsets/drives are broken and screw up if you enable it
[12:25] <Nermal> Burgundavia, what command gave you that
[12:25] <Nermal> bob2, not that many..
[12:25] <Burgundavia> hdparm /dev/hdc
[12:25] <debiuntu> gomez, i used only ubuntu repositories when i update
[12:25] <bob2> Nermal: sudo hdparm -c1 /dev/hdc
[12:25] <bob2> Nermal: (to enable dma on hdc)
[12:25] <Nermal> bob2, ffs ?
[12:26] <bob2> Nermal: ?
[12:26] <cikilin> i installed it
[12:26] <debiuntu> gomze, but how can i  force their versions to the ubuntu ones? excuse me, i'm a newbie
[12:26] <bob2> Nermal: nothing to do with BSD's Fast File System, no
[12:26] <cikilin> but............
[12:26] <gomez> debiuntu: good, well it's just a cause of switching versions... or have I not understood your situation correctly?
[12:26] <Okys> any one proficient in wireless networks on toshiba laptops
[12:26] <cikilin> i dont konw where is it
[12:26] <bob2> Okys: the brand usually isn't related to any problems
[12:26] <Nermal> well.. I just GAVE him the command to turn it on, he gave me a useless respone - not indicating whether that was the result of running the command or just checking if it was on, and then you tell me how to enable FDMA
[12:26] <Burgundavia> nermal, bob2: that is what is so odd, is that I have enabled dma and 32 bit.
[12:26] <debiuntu> gomez, yep. i used pure debian before
[12:27] <Nermal> cikilin, final time.. won't help you. you don't want the rpm.bin file .. follow http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[12:27] <Okys> bob2 ok i subtract the toshiba :)
[12:27] <bob2> Nermal: "useless" is in the eye of the beholder in this case
[12:27] <bob2> Nermal: paste the output to #flood
[12:27] <Nermal> bob2, WHAT output ?
[12:28] <thoreauputic> Nermal: attitude, please....
[12:28] <Nermal> thoreauputic, surrounded by retards
[12:28] <gomez> debiuntu: so you started with debian and then upgraded to ubuntu? (hoary?)
[12:28] <Nermal> :|
[12:28] <bob2> Nermal: please stop it
[12:28] <bob2> if you're frustrated, go have a cuppa or something
[12:29] <Nermal> some berk attempting to install bittorrent to download the wrong file when the right file doesn't require bittorrent to require for example, despite 3 attempts to inform him of the correct choice
[12:29] <debiuntu> gomez, yep. Sarge updated to hoary. I thinked the pure unbuntu is too huge for me
[12:29] <Nermal> hmm.. no tea :|
[12:29] <Nermal> just coffee :|
[12:29] <thoreauputic> Nermal: welcome to IRC help for new users... :)
[12:29] <xophEr> debiuntu, huge in what way?
[12:29] <mz2> what package do i need to make qt apps be able to use the plastik/lipstik theme? it works on my desktop computer but on on my laptop
[12:30] <Nermal> thoreauputic, why can't they just read the advice ?
[12:30] <mz2> it's not in the list in qtconfig
[12:30] <Burgundavia> mz2: you might have a better time at #kubuntu
[12:30] <thoreauputic> Nermal: if I knew that, I'd be glad to tell you ;-)
[12:30] <Burgundavia> Nermal: I found that it was simply that the channel was busy with one person
[12:30] <superted> Did an update change colors on the "selected color" in evolution ?
[12:30] <Burgundavia> Nermal: so I helped them one on one and it worked
[12:31] <debiuntu> xophEr, CD default install. i favour to build my mansion from a base system
[12:31] <xophEr> k
[12:31] <thoreauputic> Nermal: sometimes IRC can be a bit confusing/intimidating for new users, too
[12:31] <Nermal> the channel traffic level isn't helped by responses having to be repeated 3 times
[12:32] <gomez> debiuntu: if you know that much then you should be able to figure out your own mess :)
[12:33] <thoreauputic> Nermal: unfortunately, this is the way it is - this isn't a channel for experienced users,, really - I guess we have to expect it
[12:33] <thoreauputic> Nermal: i agree it's annoying :)
[12:33] <Nermal> years of tech support have eroded my patiance :)
[12:33] <Nermal> s/a/e ?
[12:34] <debiuntu> gomez, but i suppose i don't :(   i think there must be a way to return to base system,but i have never tried it before
[12:34] <bob2> debiuntu: might just be best to reinstall
[12:34] <gomez> debiuntu: just remove all the packages you've installed
[12:34] <gomez> debiuntu: debfoster much help
[12:35] <gomez> debiuntu: frankly, I'd take bob2's advice
[12:35] <bob2> Nermal: the trick is to head down to the pub before people on IRC drive you mad
[12:35] <cikilin> i read the site but i dont know wich is the torrent for ubuntu download for
[12:35] <debiuntu> gomez & bob2, thx a lot.
[12:35] <Burgundavia> cikilin: what are you trying to do again?
[12:35] <cikilin> to install bittorent
[12:35] <Nermal> cikilin, forget torrents
[12:36] <cikilin> azureus...
[12:36] <Nermal> just download the bin file from java.sun.com
[12:36] <gomez> debiuntu: no problem, I just popped in because I hadn't used IRC in ages and found nice client to try - I should really get back to work ;)
[12:36] <Burgundavia> cikilin: do you have your heart set on azerus?
[12:37] <cikilin> the bin file?
[12:37] <Nermal> cikilin, are you trying to install java ?
[12:37] <george_> hey everyone
[12:37] <cikilin> yes
[12:37] <Burgundavia> cikilin: there is a bittorrent client in hoary already
[12:38] <Nermal> cikilin, then, for the 3rd time, read http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[12:38] <george_> cikilin: and it is sweet
[12:38] <jazzka> hi!
[12:38] <cikilin> i am verry dumb
[12:39] <cikilin> and i know nothing
[12:39] <jazzka> is there any weblog of the latest news of ubuntu? or a rss feed link?
[12:39] <Burgundavia> cikilin: no you are not, just not understanding it
[12:39] <Okys> how to i configure yenta socket
[12:39] <thoreauputic> cikilin: if you read the link Nermal gave you and follow the instructions carefully, you will succeed
[12:39] <cikilin> you know for me is verry dificult also technical english too
[12:40] <Nermal> Burgundavia, if you can't understand "read this url" 3 times, I'm surprised you can feed / dress yourself
[12:40] <thoreauputic> cikilin: what is your first language ?
[12:40] <Burgundavia> what I was about to ask
[12:40] <Burgundavia> Nermal: that is very rude, and not to the Ubuntu CoC
[12:40] <Nermal> oh dear
[12:40] <Burgundavia> I suspect English difficulties
[12:40] <Burgundavia> which is fine
[12:40] <thoreauputic> Nermal: it could be a language issue - go easy on the poor guy
[12:40] <Burgundavia> my french is terrible
[12:41] <Burgundavia> and my swedish is nonexistant
[12:41] <Okys> how do i reconfigure the kernel?
[12:41] <Okys> whats the commande
[12:41] <Nermal> Okys, why would you want to ?
[12:41] <Okys> - e
[12:41] <Burgundavia> Okys: what are you looking to do?
[12:42] <Okys> get my internal wireless going
[12:42] <Okys> from what i understand it needs a yenta socket
[12:42] <Nermal> most / all kernel drivers are built as modules in ubuntu anyway
[12:42] <spider> make configure
[12:42] <Nermal> Okys, thats already enabled
[12:43] <Okys> is iwconfig correct to find wireless cards
[12:43] <Nermal> yah
[12:43] <jazzka> is there any scanner support in ubuntu?
[12:43] <jazzka> an epson scanner
[12:43] <Nermal> jazzka, scsi is your best bet
[12:43] <Burgundavia> jazzka: if it is usb, just plug it in
[12:43] <Okys> it reckons i have no wireless extensions
[12:43] <Nermal> Okys, what wireless device ?
[12:43] <theine> Okys: What's your wireless card?
[12:43] <theine> :)
[12:44] <Okys> its in my toshiba 4600
[12:44] <jazzka> Burgundavia, that doesnt seem to work
[12:44] <Okys> satelitte pro
[12:44] <EricNeon> bye every body
[12:44] <Nermal> Okys, how about you do some work.  go to google, find the specs and help us to help you ?
[12:44] <Okys> :S spoze that doesnt really answer the question huh
[12:44] <theine> Okys: but you don't know the card's chipset?
[12:44] <Nermal> maybe lspci
[12:45] <Nermal> you may need to install linux-restricted-modules
[12:45] <Nermal> for things like ipw support iirc
[12:45] <theine> Nermal, that's not installed by default?
[12:45] <Nermal> theine, don't think so
[12:45] <Nermal> not sure though
[12:46] <theine> Nermal, than that can be very well the reason of course
[12:46] <Arnia> Nermal: ipw2200 is definitely installed by default
[12:46] <Arnia> It found my centrino with no problems at all
[12:46] <Nermal> hmm
[12:46] <Arnia> Dunno about ipw2100 though
[12:48] <theine> Nermal, at least it's neither a dependency of ubuntu-base nor of ubuntu-desktop
[12:48] <MyNameIsChris> I just installed apache via apt on warty and I keep getting 403's, I am in the user and group in httpd.conf
[12:48] <cikilin> i get the torrent
[12:48] <cikilin> wow
[12:49] <njan> MyNameIsChris, check the permissions on the files you're trying to access via apache
[12:49] <langenberg> What's the difference between hoary and 5.04 on the ubuntu mirrors?
[12:50] <theine> ipw2200 is in linux-image, not in linux-restricted modules
[12:50] <MyNameIsChris> njan, I own them
[12:50] <thoreauputic> langenberg: hoary is 5.04
[12:50] <langenberg> thoreauputic: they are exactly the same?
[12:50] <njan> MyNameIsChris, and apache is running as the same user?
[12:50] <thoreauputic> langenberg: 5.04 is the version number for hoary
[12:51] <langenberg> On this mirror: /5.04/ /hoary/ /releases/5.04/ /releases/hoary
[12:51] <langenberg> =/
[12:51] <Arnia> Nermal: Please be more respectful :/
[12:51] <Jefis> how to disable automatic time update?
[12:51] <Nermal> Arnia, HAR
[12:51] <Jefis> on system boot
[12:52] <thoreauputic> Nermal: we don't need to deal with your anger problem - please keep it to yourself, OK ?
[12:52] <MyNameIsChris> njan, I started apache as sudo root, and I gave myself as user full privelages to index.htm
[12:52] <Burgundavia> cikilin: what is 1st language?
[12:52] <Nermal> runlevel control I guess
[12:52] <Nermal> thoreauputic, just tired of idiots
[12:52] <theine> Jefis: you can use update-rc.d
[12:52] <njan> MyNameIsChris, apache should automatically drop privileges and run not-as-root when it starts, depending upon what you have in your apache config files
[12:53] <Jefis> it should be stored in init.d/ files, but which one :)
[12:53] <njan> MyNameIsChris, therefore, in order for apache to see them they need to be world-readable
[12:53] <Nermal> if he can understand "I got the torrent" he should be able to understand 3 lines of "you don't need the torrent"
[12:53] <Nermal> anyway...
[12:53] <theine> Jefis: I guess it's ntpdate: sudo update-rc.d ntpdate remove
[12:53] <MyNameIsChris> njan, it says YOU don't have permission. What would you suggest I do
[12:54] <Jefis> update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/ntpdate exists during rc.d purge (continuing)
[12:54] <Jefis>  Removing any system startup links for /etc/init.d/ntpdate ...
[12:54] <Jefis>    /etc/rcS.d/S51ntpdate
[12:54] <Jefis> jefis@localhost:~$
[12:54] <Jefis> hmmmmmm
[12:54] <thoreauputic> Jefis: OK that should do it :)
[12:54] <Jefis> are you sure?
[12:54] <MyNameIsChris> njan, got it
[12:54] <MyNameIsChris> njan, Thanks anyway
[12:55] <thoreauputic> Jefis: that's what update-rc,d is  for, yes
[12:55] <theine> when are the scripts in rcS.d executed?
[12:55] <thoreauputic> Jefis: and the ntpdate program is what does the time sync
[12:55] <MyNameIsChris> njan, sometimes it helps to just rtfm. Or in this case rtfcf
[12:56] <pdoms> Jimbob, my pc crashed yesterday and had to go.
[12:56] <Jimbob> ahh
[12:56] <pdoms> btw: it works after reboot =)
[12:56] <mhale> hello all
[12:57] <pdoms> Are you guys also experiencing crashes sometimes?
[12:58] <roshambo> i have a slight issue with hoary in that when i unplug the power cord from my laptop, the little icon in the top right does not change over to a battery icon - it stays on the power cord icon. the battery strength is reported correctly though. does anyone have any ideas where i might start looking to fix this?
[12:58] <Okys> orinoco i believe
[12:58] <Okys> orinoco_cs i believe
[12:58] <pdoms> Nothing works anymore like ctrl + f7 .. but when I push power button it closes down normally ^o)
[12:58] <pdoms> that SUX
[12:58] <theine> Okys, that should be well supported I think
[12:59] <theine> Okys, do you know how to use pastebin?
[12:59] <Okys> nope
[12:59] <Okys> im not on the machine that im trying to get happnin so it probably doesnt apply
[12:59] <theine> Okys, go on http://www.pastebin.com and try to post the output of lspci
[12:59] <Okys> theine type it you mean :)
[12:59] <theine> Okys, oh... ok
[01:00] <Okys> i cant even get the eth0 happnin
[01:00] <Okys> otherwise i would be on the lappy
[01:00] <theine> Okys, what does ifconfig say?
[01:00] <theine> Okys, lo end eth0
[01:00] <theine> Okys, ?
[01:01] <ac-id> this channel pwns
[01:01] <Okys> sorry
[01:01] <ac-id> :)
[01:01] <Okys> got unplugged
[01:01] <spanglesontoast> anyone know much about via 0
[01:01] <spanglesontoast> ignore that
[01:01] <spanglesontoast> erm does anyone know how to set the default audio for gnome
[01:01] <MyNameIsChris> njan, Sorry for the volley of stupid questions but let's say I need to reinstall php4 and still have the .deb in /var/cache/...
[01:02] <Okys> theine lots
[01:02] <thoreauputic> MyNameIsChris: apt-get install --reinstall will reinstall the one in the cache
[01:02] <theine> Okys, lots of output?
[01:02] <MyNameIsChris> thoreauputic, Thanks
[01:02] <theine> Okys, how many interfaces?
[01:02] <njan> thoreauputic, beat me to it :P
[01:02] <Okys> theine yep
[01:02] <MyNameIsChris> thoreauputic, still a noob to Debian package management
[01:02] <theine> Okys, 2?
[01:03] <thoreauputic> MyNameIsChris: :)
[01:03] <Okys> link encap Ethernet HWaddr bla bal bla
[01:03] <Hmmmm> so how many hours to go for the Hoary release?
[01:03] <Okys> lo Link encap: local loopback
[01:03] <MyNameIsChris> thoreauputic, works, Thanks
[01:03] <Okys> theine2
[01:03] <Okys> eth0 and lo
[01:03] <thoreauputic> MyNameIsChris: no worries :)
[01:03] <theine> Okys, but how many interfaces are listed? lo and eth0?
[01:04] <Okys> theine eth0 and lo
[01:04] <dballester> hi to all
[01:04] <Okys> dballester hi
[01:04] <theine> Okys, alright, but eth0 isn't working?
[01:04] <Okys> nope
[01:05] <theine> Okys, try sudo modprobe orinoco_cs
[01:05] <Okys> theine host unreachable
[01:05] <Okys> theine k
[01:05] <theine> Okys, but it's got an IP address and so on?
[01:05] <MyNameIsChris> Hmmm, I have restarted apache but it still sends a .php as a downloadable file
[01:05] <dballester> exists in ubuntu some type of tool like chkconfig to configure start/stop of daemons ( services ) by runlevel ?
[01:06] <Okys> theine whats that do?\
[01:06] <theine> Okys, how do you connect your laptop to the internet?
[01:06] <theine> Okys, ADSL?
[01:07] <Okys> depending on OS wireless in other deb dist... wire fbsd ... wireless xp
[01:07] <Okys> ohhh sorry
[01:07] <bestadvocate> anyone know how to convert a wma file into ogg or mp3?
[01:07] <theine> Okys, anyway, what did 'modprobe orinoco_cs' do?
[01:07] <Okys> theine ADSL
[01:07] <Okys> theine just gave me a new line...pronmt
[01:07] <MmikeDOMA> hi all... anyone has info on what is the support for GF4MX440 Tv-Out in Ubuntu?
[01:07] <bestadvocate> are there any programs to do this?
[01:08] <theine> Okys, so you connect your laptop directly to an ADSL modem?
[01:08] <Okys> theine through wireless router
[01:08] <saik0> bestadvocate, i remeber mplayer being able to transcode it, forgot how
[01:08] <theine> Okys, ok, than try ifconfig again and look for  a new interface
[01:08] <Okys> theine OK
[01:09] <bestadvocate> saik0 for some reason I cant even convince mplayer to _play_ the files (at least using the ubuntu build)
[01:09] <Okys> theine eth0 and lo
[01:09] <Okys> damn i gotta go.....
[01:09] <Okys> arrrgggghhhhh late
[01:09] <theine> Okys, you'll get it working eventually
[01:09] <Okys> theine haha i reckon
[01:10] <Okys> im glad it isnt my only box
[01:10] <bestadvocate> stupid wma errr
[01:10] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:10] <Okys> theine thanks for your help mate
[01:11] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: you need w32codecs from one of the repos on that page
[01:11] <MrRagga> hi, are there any online sources for ubuntu?
[01:11] <bestadvocate> thoreauputic: I have amd64 the repos dont seem to work for me
[01:12] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: ah, you may be out of luck - dunnonif there are amd64 versions
[01:12] <theine> Okys, no problem...
[01:12] <thoreauputic> dunno if *
[01:12] <bestadvocate> thoreauputic besides i dont want ot play the files really, i rather convert the file
[01:12] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate:  mencoder or something like that , IIRC
[01:12] <ac-id> ooer
[01:13] <ac-id> i cant find mplayer in sources
[01:13] <ac-id> :/
[01:13] <carambol> is smart package manager useable in ubuntu?
[01:13] <theine> ac-id: you need to enable the multiverse repository
[01:13] <spanglesontoast> is there a way to control which sound card is the main one for gnome?
[01:13] <ac-id> multiverse?
[01:13] <ac-id> i thought universe was enough
[01:13] <_nicholas> how long do ihave to wait for the cds to arrive?
[01:13] <theine> ac-id: no, you need multiverse too
[01:13] <ac-id> i have too many repo's already
[01:13] <ac-id> gimme
[01:14] <ac-id> :)
[01:14] <zzyber> i have a laptop PII 300Mhz 128Mb ram and my girlfriend is running XP pro and Ms Office on it. Its really slow and im on my way to install a linux system on her laptop. Is Ubuntu the right choice or should i go for a redhat 6.2 with kernel 2.2? How about office, can i use openoffice and if not what choices do i have?
[01:14] <theine> ac-id: really? how many do you have?
[01:14] <ac-id> about 12
[01:14] <ac-id> but im using some of debians too
[01:14] <spanglesontoast> go for ubuntu mate
[01:14] <MyNameIsChris> njan, Could you help me get php working with apache
[01:14] <theine> ac-id: why?
[01:14] <spanglesontoast> my p3 is slower than that
[01:14] <thoreauputic> zzyber: redhat 6.2 is ancient history
[01:14] <spanglesontoast> ;)
[01:14] <bestadvocate> smart package manager? is that apt-get?
[01:14] <bestadvocate> ;)
[01:14] <ac-id> security related stuff
[01:14] <zzyber> thoreauputic, but its fast
[01:14] <langenberg> Is Kubunut officially supported and does it contain the same level of quality?
[01:14] <ac-id> u got that url for that multiverse?
[01:15] <theine> ac-id: like what? i'm just curious...
[01:15] <bob2> yes, try it and see
[01:15] <zzyber> thoreauputic, a PII is also ancient :-)
[01:15] <thoreauputic> zzyber: have a look at vectorlinux
[01:15] <ac-id> i work for a government
[01:15] <ac-id> im not at liberty to say :/
[01:15] <bestadvocate> langenberg: i guess,.,,
[01:15] <spanglesontoast> how can I choose which sound card to use for gnome?
[01:15] <thoreauputic> zzyber: yeah, I have a pentium 200 running debian woody :)
[01:16] <theine> ac-id: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and replace all occurencies of "main restricted" with "main restricted universe multiverse"
[01:16] <ac-id> theine, url?
[01:16] <bestadvocate> spangelsontoast: i dont know I have a sound card i cant use thats agravating me!
[01:16] <ac-id> ok thanks
[01:16] <carambol> yep, bestadvocte
[01:16] <langenberg> zzyber: I'm about to setup a PII 450 with Ubuntu, I hope it's a bit usefull.
[01:16] <carambol> ihave apt it alredy
[01:16] <theine> ac-id: you don't need sperate lines for universe and multiverse
[01:17] <adobbie> langenberg: depends on how much ram you have
[01:17] <theine> ac-id: just in case you want to keep your sources.list neat...
[01:17] <bestadvocate> langenberg: i have seen it running (quite slowly) on a p1
[01:17] <langenberg> adobbie: 256MB
[01:17] <thoreauputic> langenberg: should be fine
[01:18] <adobbie> langenberg: that's what I have for my desktop system. PII 450 with 256MB of PC100
[01:18] <langenberg> adobbie: Running gnome then?
[01:18] <zzyber> langenberg, you will probably be satisfied with linux itself but xorg and maybe gnome will slow it down and if you then ty to open som office app from openoffice it will really take time
[01:19] <adobbie> langenberg: yep
[01:19] <bestadvocate> langenberg: if its too slow go ahead and get xfce
[01:19] <langenberg> It's for my sister and my parents, I can't run anything like fluxbox on it by that reason.
[01:19] <ac-id> thanks theine
[01:19] <bestadvocate> ok nm then
[01:20] <tomcat__> hey all, I've got a problem. I'm trying to access a data drive from an old windows system. I've got it in, and I know I can "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdwhateve /media/ntfs" to mount it, but my problem is, I don't know if the drive is fat32 or ntfs...
[01:20] <theine> ac-id, no problem
[01:20] <bestadvocate> i dont know if kde or gnome is faster...
[01:20] <tomcat__> <---- very new to linux
[01:20] <thoreauputic> langenberg: icewm is very windowsish - might be oK for them
[01:20] <bestadvocate> try and see if it work
[01:20] <spanglesontoast> can anyone here tell me how to select a different sound card using gnome?
[01:20] <langenberg> bestadvocate: If they get a bit used to gnome they maybe could work with xfce a bit, but they are used to WinXP, so I was also considering KDE>
[01:20] <zzyber> thoreauputic, vectorlinux is interesting but its really the same as ubuntu, it all comes down to debian vs slackware. I will try ubuntu but it will probably be a disepointment (pardon my english)
[01:21] <theine> tomcat__: try both
[01:21] <ac-id> i started on Slackware
[01:21] <ac-id> but slackware doesnt have apt-get
[01:21] <ac-id> :)
[01:21] <ac-id> or ports
[01:21] <xophEr> anyone here who has got a usb-adsl modem working ?
[01:21] <tomcat__> Ah, good advice. had somehow thought I'd screw things up... guess i *would* get an err msg... hmmn
[01:21] <zzyber> ac-id, exactly
[01:22] <langenberg> ac-id: It has slapt-get, swaret.
[01:22] <adobbie> langenberg: use apps like Abiword and Gnumeric instead of OO.org
[01:22] <ac-id> it does?
[01:22] <ac-id> since when?
[01:22] <ac-id> boy o boy im behind
[01:22] <ac-id> whats the latest release?
[01:22] <ac-id> 10.1?
[01:23] <ac-id> yeah
[01:23] <langenberg> adobbie: I haven't worked with those, but do they offer the same quality when using .doc files?
[01:23] <ac-id> nothing new there
[01:23] <ac-id> :
[01:23] <ac-id> :/
[01:23] <adobbie> ac-id: My roomate used apt-get on RedHat9 and Mandrake, and that was more than a year ago
[01:23] <langenberg> ac-id: Yes, it's a third party tool.
[01:23] <adobbie> langenberg: no they suck just like OO.org does
[01:23] <ac-id> yes but you can use rpm's on debian too
[01:24] <zzyber> adobbie, adobbie yes i probably will use gnome original office
[01:24] <ac-id> package management is excellent with synaptic
[01:24] <langenberg> adobbie: OO.o does that very fine, I haven't got any probs with MS Office docs.
[01:24] <langenberg> ac-id: http://software.jaos.org/#slapt-get
[01:24] <ac-id> u cant really compare it with much else
[01:24] <ac-id> other than FBSD ports
[01:24] <langenberg> ac-id: slapt-get is an APT like system for Slackware package management. It allows one to search slackware mirrors and third party sources for packages, compare them with installed packages, install new packages, or upgrade all installed packages. Great for scripting as well.
[01:24] <bestadvocate> OO.o has problems using too much java blaaah
[01:24] <ac-id> and, well, something thats native to the OS
[01:24] <ac-id> langenberg, but still 3rd party?
[01:24] <adobbie> bestadvocate: only in the new, unreleased version
[01:24] <ac-id> and secure?
[01:25] <tomcat__> Hey all... ok, maybe I don't have the drive in properly... if it's the slave on the primary ide chain, shouldn't it be 'hdb'?
[01:25] <zzyber> read somewere that redhats own 2.4 kernel kicks ass and is far better than 2.6.11
[01:25] <bestadvocate> adobbie: thats going to be a problem with breezy most likely
[01:25] <langenberg> ac-id: yes, It's usefull for upgrading one or two packages, but don't upgrade your system with it. Most likely to brak something.
[01:25] <pdoms> Where can I find the drivers for my Lexmark X5150 .. ? Ubuntu detects it.. but no drivers for this one ??
[01:25] <bestadvocate> adobbie: it might actually be a good reason to run hoary once its stable :)
[01:25] <adobbie> bestadvocate: I see it as good news.  quality of gcj and competitors is going to go up :)
[01:26] <ac-id> heh
[01:26] <ac-id> theine, after updating i still cant find mplayer :/
[01:26] <ac-id> maybe compile it myself maybe?
[01:26] <adobbie> pdoms: http://www.linuxprinting.org/
[01:27] <pdoms> adobbie, thanks
[01:28] <pdoms> adobbie, damn also not listed there ^o)
[01:29] <ac-id> mail the novell linux desktop developers to write a driver
[01:29] <ac-id> they'll have it done in under 2 days
[01:29] <adobbie> pdoms: hope that Lexmark has Linux drivers on their site :)
[01:29] <ac-id> then just use it on ur Ubuntu
[01:29] <MyNameIsChris> ac-id, that is exploiting the poor soles at Novell. So cruel
[01:30] <ac-id> souls, and not really, they'd love to do it
[01:30] <ac-id> seeing as they're supporting open source and all
[01:30] <ac-id> :)
[01:30] <pdoms> adobbie, i'm lucky :o :)
[01:31] <ac-id> im also looking for lexmark drivers
[01:31] <MyNameIsChris> ac-id, No, I meant soles
[01:31] <ac-id> i have a c912 and a w820
[01:31] <ac-id> MyNameIsChris, in that regard i guess ur right
[01:32] <MyNameIsChris> ac-id, Glad you see it my way
[01:33] <bestadvocate> bad evil!
[01:33] <ironwolf> what do I put in the uri: line of the printer setup for a printer I have shared on another host via cupsys ?
[01:33] <bestadvocate> :)
[01:34] <MyNameIsChris> Glare was like the worst attack a Pokemon could know
[01:34] <MyNameIsChris> "I got rid of hypnosis for this?" They would say
[01:34] <turf> hi! where could a down load a macromedia flash player for my ubuntu installed i a ppc?
[01:35] <HiddenWolf> turf: macromedia.com
[01:35] <pdoms> Any1 got an idea of how to run an .HQX file?
[01:35] <HiddenWolf> pdoms: google
[01:35] <turf> HiddenWolf: i did download did from there but i got un here its not for ppc
[01:35] <ac-id> anyone have a source for me that would allow me to apt-steal mplayer?
[01:35] <ac-id> mine dont seem to have such luxuries
[01:36] <HiddenWolf> turf, there must be a flash player in universe, not sure if it's for ppc also
[01:36] <ac-id> tarball for me it is then :/
[01:36] <ironwolf> ac-id: add multiverse and universe to your sources?
[01:37] <ac-id> i did
[01:37] <ac-id> updated
[01:37] <ac-id> and nothing
[01:37] <HiddenWolf> ac-id, add the marillat repro's
[01:38] <ac-id> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted universe multiverse
[01:38] <ac-id> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted universe multiverse
[01:38] <HiddenWolf> ac-id, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[01:38] <xophEr> where can I get ubuntu devel tools as debs?
[01:38] <ac-id> hahahah
[01:38] <HiddenWolf> ac-id, you should add them to archive.ubuntu.com, not to security.ubuntu.com
[01:38] <thoreauputic> xophEr: most are in the repos
[01:39] <HiddenWolf> xopher, apt-get install build-essential
[01:39] <xophEr> but If I want to install them offline..
[01:39] <xophEr> my friend needs them so he can install his adsl-modem :)
[01:39] <thoreauputic> xophEr: build-essential is on the CD AFAIK
[01:39] <Fackamato> I can't add a printer in Ubuntu. I run the add printer thing, specify SMB (it's shared on a windows xp sp2 computer), type in the IP, username, password, printer type etc etc, press "apply" and it doesn't show up.
[01:39] <Fackamato> What's up with this?
[01:40] <ac-id> oops
[01:40] <ac-id> ta
[01:40] <xophEr> thoreauputic, ok. how about the kernel source? is it there too?
[01:40] <HiddenWolf> xophEr, doubt it
[01:40] <turf> HiddenWolf: ok thanks, i'll try to look again
[01:41] <pdoms> Is it possible to install rpm packages on ubuntu? ^o)
[01:41] <thoreauputic> xophEr: no - also he probably only need the linux-headers, not the source
[01:41] <HiddenWolf> turf, search for flash in synaptic
[01:41] <xophEr> he needs the source, he has to compile a kernel with usbatm-support
[01:42] <HiddenWolf> turf, flashplayer-mozilla and flashplayer-nonfree
[01:42] <HiddenWolf> xophEr, download the .deb and burn it to a cd
[01:42] <HiddenWolf> xophEr, dont' forget to download the .deb of the ubuntu kernel patches when you do
[01:43] <xophEr> ok
[01:43] <adobbie> pdoms: yes, if you really need to you can use 'alien'
[01:43] <xophEr> thanks
[01:43] <HiddenWolf> pdoms, better to go and search for a .deb tho. converting rpms can mess you up.
[01:43] <pdoms> adobbie, thanks i'll check it out
[01:44] <pdoms> this stupid lexmark shit discriminates
[01:44] <pdoms> Suse or Redhat :-//
[01:44] <HiddenWolf> pdoms, doesn't postscript work?
[01:44] <ac-id> pdoms, im having the same problem
[01:45] <ac-id> i have a c912 and w820
[01:45] <ac-id> both not working
[01:45] <ac-id> busy trying to break things left right and centre
[01:45] <willem> What happend to the cool login screen?
[01:45] <adobbie> loading firmware is another lame thing you have to do with some printers too
[01:45] <theine> Fackamato: look, that 'lpstat -p' tells you
[01:45] <pdoms> HiddenWolf, don't really know what you mean with postscript (i know that's the language sent to printers)
[01:46] <HiddenWolf> pdoms, lots of printers are already supported by the printer manager and it's drivers
[01:46] <HiddenWolf> have you tried just adding it?
[01:46] <adobbie> HiddenWolf: he said it wasn't on the list.  also not on linuxprinting.org
[01:46] <pdoms> Yes, but the right type isn't listed
[01:47] <burgermann> lo :)...
[01:47] <pdoms> but Ubuntu recognises it right.. but the driver aint listed
[01:47] <thoreauputic> pdoms: sometimes choosing a driver for a similar model works
[01:47] <pdoms> thoreauputic, already tried that one time, gonna keep trying now =)
[01:47] <burgermann> when I try to install java runtime plugin in firefox it says I have to do it manually
[01:47] <willem> What happen to the Human Circle of Friends?
[01:47] <HiddenWolf> adobbie: can you install from a tar.gz instead of rpm
[01:48] <HiddenWolf> burgermann, download java from sun, then use www.ubuntuguide.org to help you through the process
[01:48] <ac-id> compiling from source isnt hard at all
[01:48] <thoreauputic> willem: if you want it back you can probably install it :)
[01:48] <willem> where to find the good old one?
[01:48] <adobbie> HiddenWolf: you found it on the Lexmark site?
[01:49] <willem> the new photo is a real amature photo
[01:49] <HiddenWolf> adobbie: No, I don't own a lexmark printer, just offering a suggestion
[01:49] <burgermann> HiddenWolf, gr8 thx
[01:49] <pdoms> If I find the source it's no problemo
[01:50] <HiddenWolf> burgermann, be adviced, just pasting the commands will fail, the guide does it for 1.5.0.1, and the version you'll be downloading is .0.2
[01:51] <pdoms> It aint working with chosing similar printers
[01:52] <thoreauputic> willem: http://www.prodigyweb.net.mx/espinomiguel/ubuntuart.html
[01:52] <willem> thank you
[01:53] <willem> finally
[01:54] <zzyber> is it possible to move windows between desktops in ubuntu gnome? And also move to another desktop if i put the mouse pointer to the edge of my desktop
[01:55] <ac-id> yes
[01:55] <thoreauputic> zzyber: you can move the windows by dragging them on the pager
[01:55] <ac-id> do u not have the workspace switcher widget?
[01:55] <ac-id> right click on ur taskbar and click on add
[01:56] <ac-id> workspace switcher should be at the bottom
[01:56] <burgermann> HiddenWolf, then I have no idea what to do :S
[01:56] <zzyber> thoreauputic, yes on the pager i know but i tries xfce and there i can turn on the function to drag a windows to another desktop just moving to the edge
[01:59] <pdoms> damn shit, don't tell me I have to develop my own drivers huh :p :-//
[02:00] <Jefis> How to make konqueror to remember that Menubar is hidden, if i press CTRL+M and close konqueror it doesn't remmeber
[02:01] <xophEr> where can I find ubuntu kernel-sources for the kernel shipped with hoary 5.04 rc (2.6.10) ?
[02:01] <sanitario> xophEr: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10
[02:02] <HiddenWolf> burgermann, just follow the instructions on ubuntuguide, but substitute .0.1 for .0.2 :)
[02:02] <apokryphos> Jefis: Either Alt + F3 > Advanced > Special Window Settings, or you'll have to change the default executable for it
[02:02] <xophEr> sanitario, I need to download the package separately, and not via apt.
[02:02] <Gavrila> anyone using ASROCK COMBO Z motherboard???
[02:03] <apokryphos> Jefis: as a note, you will generally have more luck in #kubuntu
[02:03] <burgermann> HiddenWolf, oh of course =P, thx
[02:03] <thoreauputic> xophEr: with apt, using the -d switch will just download it
[02:04] <xophEr> I know, but Im not on ubuntu now and I dont plan adding ubuntu repositories to my debian installation, so I need a link.
[02:04] <thoreauputic> xophEr: warty or hoary?
[02:05] <xophEr> hoary
[02:06] <_d4vid> hi all
[02:06] <thoreauputic> xophEr: somewhere here probably >> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[02:06] <Florsch> hi
[02:07] <sanitario> xophEr: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-34_all.deb
[02:07] <xophEr> thanks
[02:07] <sanitario> np
[02:08] <ac-id> errr
[02:08] <ac-id> but warthog doesnt come with that kernel
[02:08] <ruffian> Anyone know why there is no sound, in the flash player on mozilla?
[02:08] <thoreauputic> ac-id: that was for hoary
[02:08] <ac-id> oh
[02:08] <ac-id> some of us dont have hoary yet :/
[02:08] <thoreauputic> ac-id: indeed, i don't either :)
[02:09] <ac-id> heh
[02:09] <ac-id> but we will soon!
[02:09] <Florsch> its coming tomorrow, isn't it?
[02:09] <ac-id> today
[02:09] <ac-id> couple hours time
[02:09] <ac-id> 'apparently'
[02:09] <Florsch> oh ok...having ubuntu not one week and somethings new will come...
[02:10] <ac-id> its like waiting outside a toy store for a new toy
[02:10] <Florsch> ;)
[02:10] <spanglesontoast> which is the main file that the sound settings are located?
[02:10] <Florsch> for me everything is new and i have still some problems...so not this way of waiting for me
[02:10] <ruffian> bbl
[02:11] <SiRrUs> how much will be different from what can be installed at present
[02:12] <Florsch> i don't know...i even don't know where i can change somethin about my fan...it is running and running...
[02:15] <spanglesontoast> does anyone know how to set the main soundcard for gnome
[02:15] <darko__> Hi, can someone help me with a script that automatically grabs the pid of x and renices it to 0?
[02:17] <corza> hey guys could someone help me out with bootsplash?
[02:17] <closure> does anyone know how to change the spellcheck file in ubuntu?
[02:17] <Kamping_kaiser> closeure: what app
[02:17] <closure> i have american english and i'd like to have UK english
[02:17] <Kamping_kaiser> corza in what way?
[02:18] <closure> well really the whole system
[02:18] <closure> or just gaim i guess?
[02:18] <theine> Florsch: What kind of laptop do you have?
[02:18] <ac-id> --> SiMpLy_ReD (rae@sg-4354.telkomadsl.co.za) has joined #east_london
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 maybe that would force some sort of remark or response
[02:18] <corza> Kamping_kaiser: well i need it to load up on GRUB i guess? i have the theme installed
 u never know
[02:18] <ac-id> oops
[02:18] <Florsch> i have an Asus M6000
[02:18] <ac-id> my bad
[02:18] <ac-id> my bad bad bad bad
[02:18] <ac-id> (synaptic:10050): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme directory scalable/emblems of theme Flat-Blue has no size field
[02:18] <corza> Kamping_kaiser: but i'm worried so i just want to be guided so i dont do anything stupid
[02:18] <Florsch> an i think i have to flash my bios
[02:18] <Kamping_kaiser> corza warty or hoary?
[02:18] <corza> hoardy
[02:18] <corza> hoary
[02:18] <ac-id> how to break synaptic
[02:19] <Kamping_kaiser> corza
[02:19] <Kamping_kaiser> system -> admin -> login screen setup
[02:19] <ptlo> darko__, function nice0() { echo renice -n 0 `pidof $1`; }
[02:19] <Kamping_kaiser> not sure closure, look around
[02:19] <corza> Kamping_kaiser: i'm talking about a splash screen..
[02:20] <marcelo> Does anyone knows what happened with "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu" repository????
[02:20] <marcelo> It was working til yesterday
[02:20] <SiRrUs> corza dont think there is one with hoaary
[02:20] <Florsch> keine, but i even don't know where i could have a look, what energie management is running
[02:20] <corza> SiRrUs: mm hmm?
[02:20] <Kamping_kaiser> corza grub im not sure. havent looked yet...
[02:20] <theine> corza, have you looked at http://wiki.nanofreesoft.org/index.php/UsplashHowDoesItWork ?
[02:21] <thoreauputic> marcelo: probably a lot of uploads/ syncs happening with hoary happening tomorrow
[02:21] <ac-id> k maybe its not the theme
[02:21] <theine> Florsch: does /proc/acpi exist?
[02:21] <ac-id> my synaptic just dies when i try to mark mplayer for installation
[02:21] <marcelo> thanks thoreauputic
[02:21] <theine> Florsch: and /proc/apm ?
[02:21] <Florsch> i will have a look
[02:22] <thoreauputic> marcelo: try again in a few hours maybe
[02:22] <marcelo> ok, thanks
[02:22] <theine> Florsch: do you know whether your laptop supports APM ?
[02:22] <theine> Florsch: if it does, I'd suggest to gor for that
[02:22] <Florsch> acpi exist
[02:23] <Florsch> APM i don't know
[02:23] <theine> Florsch: and /proc/apm ?
[02:23] <gnrfan> is there a new date for hoary release?
[02:23] <Florsch> no it doesn't exist
[02:23] <theine> Florsch: then you're using ACPI
[02:23] <Florsch> ok and there is an mistake with my bios
[02:23] <theine> Florsch: buggy DSDT table?
[02:23] <thoreauputic> gnrfan: tomorrow
[02:24] <Florsch> if i understand the wiki right, yes
[02:24] <Florsch> but there is an new bios...so i will flash it
[02:24] <theine> Florsch: do that
[02:24] <gnrfan> thoreauputic: nice.. wanted to burn and distribute a hundred CDs for a conference this sunday
[02:24] <Florsch> thx for help
[02:24] <theine> Florsch: np
[02:25] <tuppa> hrm
[02:25] <tuppa> so, has the edit Applications menu issue been sorted yet?
[02:27] <thoreauputic> tuppa: amaranth's menu editor >>  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21390&highlight=menu+editor+hoary
[02:28] <Jerub> more than once a second I get a message in my syslog
[02:28] <Jerub> Apr  7 22:27:27 localhost udev[10985] : removing device node '/dev/vcsa9'
[02:28] <Jerub> along those lines
[02:28] <Jerub> any idea what's causing that?
[02:28] <CharlieSu> guys.. just installed..  how come i cant play MP3s?
[02:28] <thoreauputic> CharlieSu: license issues
[02:28] <bet0x> CharlieSu: you want play MP3's with Gnome ?
[02:28] <CharlieSu> with Xmms or something
[02:28] <CharlieSu> anything
[02:29] <thoreauputic> CharlieSu: enable universe repo and install gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:29] <CharlieSu> i cant even play .oggs
[02:29] <bet0x> thoreauputic: :p
[02:29] <CharlieSu> what is univers repo?
[02:29] <bet0x> CharlieSu: apt-cache search ogg and apt-cache search mp3
[02:29] <bet0x> :)
[02:29] <bet0x> That give a list of apps to install
[02:29] <bet0x> or use Synaptic
[02:30] <thoreauputic> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto  << CharlieSu
[02:30] <bet0x> i have a problem with my GTK programs
[02:30] <bet0x> some programs have the fonts too small
[02:30] <bet0x> VERY small
[02:30] <CharlieSu> so Ubuntu will never have out of the box mp3 support?
[02:30] <Jerub> huh
[02:31] <Jerub> I don't remember having to add mp3 support
[02:31] <apokryphos> Not unless the laws change, no.
[02:31] <thoreauputic> CharlieSu: the licensing issues won't allow it
[02:31] <CharlieSu> what else is it missing?
[02:31] <CharlieSu> i never had these problems with Gentoo
[02:31] <apokryphos> divx/xvid support. All easy to implement
[02:32] <bet0x> CharlieSu: this is not gentoo
[02:32] <GhostFreeman> tomorrow, Hoary final
[02:32] <bet0x> its Ubuntu GNU Linux
[02:32] <GhostFreeman> :D
[02:32] <bet0x> :D
[02:32] <thoreauputic> CharlieSu:  www.ubuntuguide.org  << all this is available and pretty straightforward
[02:32] <GhostFreeman> I thought it was Ubuntu GNU/Debian
[02:33] <CharlieSu> hoary final is tom?
[02:33] <roo_> CharlieSu, Ubuntu is different in its philsophy to gentoo. you can read about that on the ubuntu website.
[02:33] <Jerub> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ has really clear instructions on how to get that stuff working
[02:33] <CharlieSu> GhostFreeman, how do you know that?
[02:33] <roo_> CharlieSu, the fix for restricted formats is extremely easy.
[02:33] <apokryphos> GhostFreeman: they're not mutually exclusive
[02:33] <GhostFreeman> Ubuntu is built on Debian, right?
[02:33] <NormD> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/temp/ for the hoary version...
[02:33] <apokryphos> Debian is built on Linux, right? ;-)
[02:34] <bet0x> GhostFreeman: hum
[02:34] <bet0x> GhostFreeman: Ubuntu Debian GNU/Linux
[02:34] <bet0x> Remember Linux dude
[02:34] <CharlieSu> really?
[02:34] <bet0x> Ubuntu not are using Hurd ;)
[02:34] <apokryphos> It might be based on Debian, but it is not Debian.
[02:34] <bet0x> nope
[02:34] <GhostFreeman> k
[02:34] <bet0x> Its a little updated, wit other philsophy
[02:35] <bet0x> easy to use
[02:35] <bet0x> extremly
[02:35] <lunitik> apokryphos: umm... yeah it is... its Debian SID with customizations  :/
[02:35] <bassMonkey> so, when is the final release due for hoary? some say tomorrow, some yesterday...
[02:35] <bet0x> more than Fedora i think
[02:35] <bet0x> bassMonkey: tomorrow
[02:35] <lunitik> apokryphos: every six months... they sync with Debian, and apply the same customizations again
[02:35] <bet0x> but i see some updates right now
[02:35] <bet0x> im downloading 270 MB in updates
[02:35] <lunitik> apokryphos: that said... makes sense that they work close to Debian... cuz then its less work for them
[02:35] <dballester> exists in ubuntu some type of tool like chkconfig to configure start/stop of daemons ( services ) by runlevel ? TIA
[02:35] <thoreauputic> bassMonkey: the 8th
[02:35] <CharlieSu> is Hoary really going Final tommorow?
[02:35] <apokryphos> lunitik: That still doesn't make it *Debian*. It is a seperate distribution.
[02:36] <roo_> lunitik, http://www.netsplit.com/blog/work/canonical/ubuntu_and_debian.html
[02:36] <lunitik> apokryphos: most all of the people working on Ubuntu are DD's... and Ubuntu hires the guys that wrong both dpkg and apt...
[02:36] <lunitik> apokryphos: those are pretty important things in the Debian community...
[02:36] <apokryphos> lunitik: I know :).
[02:37] <apokryphos> That still doesn't make it Debian, the fact that you say "most are also Debian DDs" emphasises the bifurcation, too.
[02:37] <NormD> I've been updating incrementally a time or two daily...I take it I won't need to do anything special to "upgrade" to the official release tomorrow, other than perhaps wait for the servers to stop being hammered?  : )
[02:37] <lunitik> apokryphos: they forked to allow them to have primary say on things like sudo being used... it is very much still Debian though
[02:37] <thoreauputic> lunitik: the Ubuntu patches get passed back to Debian, so everyone benefits
[02:37] <wezzer> is it easy to upgrade from warty to hoary?
[02:38] <apokryphos> lunitik: "Fork" already presupposes a seperate distribution. It is *very* alike to Debian, based on it, and has that backbone -- but it is not Debian.
[02:38] <apokryphos> lunitik: try telling that to the people in #debian ;-)
[02:38] <thoreauputic> wezzeryes
[02:38] <GNAM> ehy! time to work! time to correct last bugs!
[02:38] <wezzer> ok
[02:38] <wezzer> I can't wait :)
[02:38] <GNAM> testing! testing!
[02:40] <GNAM> any idea about TIME of tomorrow release?
[02:40] <bet0x> hey
[02:40] <bet0x> can any read this
[02:40] <bet0x> The following letter is being sent in name from  Hipatia  and Lot to the President of the Nation, its Ministers and Secretaries of State involved in the plan "My PC" to demand the invalidity of the plan and a total reframing of the same one
[02:41] <bet0x> http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=en&langpair=es%7Cen&u=http://alberto.barrahome.org/1_weblog_de_bet0x_/archive/19_hipatia_y_solar_se_oponen_al_plan_mi_pc_presentado_por_el_ministro_lavagna.html&prev=/language_tools
[02:41] <bet0x> My country needs our help
[02:41] <bet0x> My President sells pcs with MS shittys
[02:41] <plagerism> Any chance someone knows of a howto on creating debian packages for ati proprietary drivers. hoary 64bit only has 8.8.25, but to rectify a problem I am having I need 8.10.19
[02:41] <bet0x> and only MS
[02:41] <bet0x> and intel too
[02:41] <bet0x> and not give chances for free software
[02:42] <bet0x> i see cheaps pcs on eeuu ie
[02:42] <bet0x> on my country a intel are expensive
[02:42] <bet0x> i know about pcs more cheap
[02:42] <ac-id> its a pity the default installation cd doesnt have an option to resize a partition
[02:42] <_ReDRuM_> whats the correct way to start portmapper/nfs?
[02:42] <ac-id> before installation
[02:42] <ac-id> people might get scared that they might lose all their precious MS data
[02:43] <theine> ac-id: precious?
[02:43] <darko__> is hoary an easy distro to customize like arch-linux for example?
[02:43] <theine> ac-id: just kidding...
[02:43] <thoreauputic> _ReDRuM_:  /etc/init.d/portmap start
[02:44] <thoreauputic> _ReDRuM_: similar syntax for nfs-kernel-server and so on
[02:44] <_ReDRuM_> and whats the right way to add it to startup , symlink it to those sysv dirs?
[02:44] <_ReDRuM_> s/sysv/System V/
[02:44] <thoreauputic> _ReDRuM_: tht's done on install if you use apt
[02:44] <decklin> ac-id: really? first hit on google: http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html. not that i've tried it.
[02:45] <_ReDRuM_> err... im a proper apt newbie :) how do i tell apt to install it?
[02:45] <thoreauputic> _ReDRuM_: you don't need to mess with those scripts if you install with apt
[02:45] <ac-id> decklin, i meant in the installation
[02:45] <ac-id> put in cd, push enter, etc
[02:45] <ac-id> it doesnt have the option to resize
[02:45] <thoreauputic> _ReDRuM_:  sudo apt-get install nfs-kernel-server nfs-common  IIRC
[02:46] <decklin> ac-id: did you read that page? i'm referring to the news item labeled "feb 24".
[02:46] <_ReDRuM_> only need the client so nfs-common ? *tries it*
[02:46] <ac-id> decklin, apologies
[02:46] <ac-id> :)
[02:46] <ac-id> and (yay)
[02:46] <_ReDRuM_> thankie
[02:47] <_ReDRuM_> works fine... tho tis missing nlockmgr
[02:47] <decklin> ac-id: of course, porting the equivalent code for FAT over from fips would be nice, too, but i don't have time :)
[02:48] <da_bon_bon> hey, i wanna clean my cd rom lens. i removed the dirve out of bay. can someone guide me further, please ?
[02:49] <_ReDRuM_> da_bon_bon: you can buy discs that do that
[02:49] <Jerub> don't you use a cleaner 'cd' to clean a drive?
[02:49] <da_bon_bon> _ReDRuM_: didnt work for me
[02:51] <cavedive1> Hi guys. Does anyone know if the installer is changed in the new hoary release =
[02:51] <thoreauputic> cavedive1: AFAIK it's about the same, with a few minor differences like "server" instead of "custom"
[02:52] <thoreauputic> it still isn't graphical if that's what you mean...
[02:53] <ac-id> Szabolcs Szakacsits
[02:53] <ac-id> that is you
[02:53] <ac-id> ?
[02:53] <deuce868> I never got the kick for graphical installer
[02:55] <_ReDRuM_> i just removed my .mozilla dir and now firefox doesnt load... any ideas?
[02:55] <_ReDRuM_> n/m i think its a kubuntu thing
[02:55] <GNAM> we must start our download at same time from ubuntu servers.
[02:55] <apokryphos> No... that would be KDE-related stuff :)
[02:55] <apokryphos> you really shouldn't go around removing .mozilla ;-). You'll likely have to reinstall (with purging when you remove).
[02:56] <_ReDRuM_> why not when i built mozilla by hand i could remove it whenever i felt like :P its a user dir shouldnt matter...
[02:56] <apokryphos> GNAM: you mean the torrent :P
[02:57] <cavedive1> thoreauputic: no i understand it won't ba graphical, and I don't want that either,
[02:57] <apokryphos> _ReDRuM_: wouldn't matter because it's a user dir? =) I agree that it should replace it, (kde does so with .kde) but I don't quite know what mozzy is like
[02:57] <_ReDRuM_> thats how it behaved when i built it manually
[02:57] <_ReDRuM_> its something else wrong anyway
[02:57] <_ReDRuM_> i think cause i did chown -R redrum: /home/redrum
[02:58] <_ReDRuM_> several things are now malfunctioning
[02:58] <apokryphos> no group specified in the chown? Though, that shouldn't matter, everything in ~ should belong to you
[02:58] <_ReDRuM_> thats what i thought... none the less...
[02:58] <deuce868> yea, but something might have been using the group permissions
[02:59] <_ReDRuM_> anyhow, brb
[03:01] <bestadvocate> Im a pirate arrrrr!  i stole me some software.
[03:02] <bestadvocate> ubuntu they call it, hahaharrr I even got their secret code!
[03:03] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: Black helicopters : ETA 3 minutes
[03:03] <thoreauputic> :)
[03:03] <pirate> Yarr.
[03:03] <bestadvocate> narrry ever there was a day when ye coppers caught meh torrents!
[03:04] <thoreauputic> harrr, ye scurvy Ubuntu crew !
[03:04] <bestadvocate> Ubuntu, linux for Pirates!
[03:05] <lunitik> thoreauputic: I dont' think it counts as stealing if its free...
[03:05] <bestadvocate> ARRR i stole it fair and square!
[03:05] <thoreauputic> lunitik: heh - just going along with the pirate theme... :)
[03:07] <NormD> I dunno....there's a few "grey areas" for stealing...check out "luxuriousity"s sales on ebay, and website, rebranding open-source packages to mom 'n' pops...
[03:07] <george_> anyone here very experienced with cedega?
[03:07] <NormD> not stealing, per se, but cheezy as heck.
[03:08] <thoreauputic> NormD: is the source code supplied? If not it's probably a GPL violation...
[03:09] <innodonn1> Ubuntu 5.04 release candidate for i386 gives me a package error despite verifying correctly on both iso and during install (from http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/5.04/array-7/hoary-install-i386.iso).
[03:09] <apokryphos> innodonn1: that's not the RC, it's array 7.
[03:09] <bestadvocate> that ubuntu thar is mine!
[03:09] <innodonn1> what is?
[03:10] <apokryphos> But it certainly shouldn't give you errors anyway, and it hasn't for many many others, so I'm inclined to think it's not on the ISO side
[03:10] <apokryphos> innodonn1: /topic
[03:10] <apokryphos> innodonn1: if you want, you can wait a day for official ;-)
[03:11] <innodonn1> Darn...ok I'll get that. One day you say? Haven't got that long :)
[03:11] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I hope the servers have extra cooling for tomorrow ;)
[03:11] <keffo> is it time.. tomorrow?
[03:11] <darkpeter> hello
[03:11] <innodonn1> So is that like a snapshot I've got?
[03:11] <apokryphos> hehe. No worries; you can always upgrade later
[03:11] <NormD> I vaguely remember it is included. but he merely rebrands packages like blender, OO, Gimp...and certainly doesn't "use with permission" any images. So I think he skirts the GPL whilst stumbling into a copyright morass.
[03:11] <_ReDRuM_> was to do with me not rebooting the whole system and only restarting X after updating
[03:11] <darkpeter> can u help me ?
[03:11] <keffo> thoreauputic, hoary goes offi tomorrow?
[03:12] <apokryphos> innodonn1: arrays are more of a snapshot, RC is slightly more prepared
[03:12] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: you've gotta propound the goodness of torrents :P
[03:12] <_ReDRuM_> delayed problem :)
[03:12] <innodonn1> K thanks a ton
[03:12] <darkpeter> can u help me ??
[03:13] <thoreauputic> darkpeter: no, we already decided you are beyond help ;-)
[03:13] <darkpeter> :D
[03:13] <darkpeter> just for now, i've just installed xfce by apt
[03:13] <thoreauputic> darkpeter: just ask :)
[03:13] <george_> I don't suppose anyone can help me with a question on Cedega?
[03:13] <darkpeter> but there is a problem, xfce isn't in the boot list
[03:13] <darkpeter> in the selection of windows manager
[03:14] <apokryphos> You mean desktop environments ;)
[03:14] <george_> ah well, guess I'll keep trying to figure it out.  later
[03:14] <darkpeter> what can i do :s
[03:14] <martinald> hi, where can i request a package to be put in universe?
[03:14] <martinald> (if they take requests that is :)
[03:14] <keffo> is it tomorrow hoary goes official?
[03:15] <thoreauputic> keffo: yes
[03:15] <apokryphos> martinald: they do; one sec
[03:15] <keffo> kewl, can I expect alots of updates then? ;P
[03:15] <apokryphos> martinald: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseCandidates
[03:15] <nikls> do you know a good program to adjust divx subtitles time?
[03:16] <Ex-Cyber> I'm having problems with gstreamer's theora playback being extremely jerky (CPU isn't pegged, and the audio stream plays smoothly), is there anything I can do to fix this short of installing mplayer or totem-xine?
[03:16] <martinald> muchas thankyous
[03:16] <NormD> heh.  maybe "official release on the 8th!" or somesuch should go in /topic...I suspect that's going to get asked over and over today....: )
[03:16] <spanglesontoast> plz someone help me sort my soundcards
[03:16] <spanglesontoast> otherwise I may just ditch this distro
[03:16] <martinald> Ex-Cyber: i had the same problem! i just put totem-xine on
[03:16] <thoreauputic> darkpeter: if you make a ~/.xsession file and put xfce in it, you can choose "system session" from GDM
[03:16] <martinald> basically i think it's gstreamer isn't ready yet
[03:16] <apokryphos> darkpeter: have you done this: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-April/028746.html ?
[03:17] <thoreauputic> darkpeter: there are other ways, but a bit complicated to explain on IRC
[03:17] <spanglesontoast> is there any settings for gnome for the sound on the desktop?
[03:17] <darkpeter> thx all ;)
[03:17] <darkpeter> i will try that
[03:17] <jovian> how can I take a screenshot of something playing in tototem
[03:17] <h> how many hours til hoary stable?
[03:17] <apokryphos> not many users, I guess.
[03:17] <jovian> totem*
[03:18] <darkpeter> ooooo
[03:18] <darkpeter> it's just because i make apt-get install xfce :s
[03:18] <darkpeter> ^^ not xfce4
[03:18] <langenberg>  /usr will be one of the biggest parts of a install, right?
[03:18] <darkpeter> fuck ^
[03:18] <garrut> spanglesontoast: system - preferences - sound
[03:19] <garrut> jovian: alt+printscreen
[03:19] <thoreauputic> darkpeter: ah, yes
[03:19] <apokryphos> darkpeter: :)
[03:19] <spanglesontoast> yea but i cannot adjust which soundcard it's for
[03:19] <Ex-Cyber> martinald: I kind of got that impression too... it seems to basically work, but has enough issues that I'm not sure why it was chosen as the "out-of-the-box" solution
[03:21] <Kamping_kaiser> how do i install a deb file downloaded off the net?
[03:21] <jovian> thx garrut
[03:21] <keffo> dpkg -i file.deb
[03:21] <t3rror> is there a reason that i wouldn't have a synaptic-manager anymore if i upgraded to hoary from warty last night?
[03:21] <garrut> dpkg -i
[03:22] <nikls> does someone know a good way to adjust divx subtitles time to a film?
[03:22] <Kamping_kaiser> thanks ppl
[03:22] <Guaka> hi, my bugreport is buggy... it doesn't actually send the bugs!
[03:22] <t3rror> nikls there is a way to do that in mplayer
[03:23] <nikls> t3rror: how?
[03:23] <alerodgom> hi, i am having problems with live cd and the external modem, it does not dial to call the isp
[03:23] <alerodgom> any idea why?
[03:24] <spanglesontoast> sort my audio plz!!!!!!!!
[03:24] <spanglesontoast> think I'll give up with linux
[03:24] <fabbione> sorry for the topic floods :)
[03:24] <vessuvius> Does anyone have a dual boot ubuntu/wnxp9(or 2k) setup using Grub as the boot loader, not NTLDR?
[03:25] <zzyber> whats up with fileroller and rar? I cant unrar files and i have rar-2.8 and unrar-nonfree installed, i can unrar from command line but fileroller wont handle it? What can i do?
[03:25] <Funraiser> does someone know how cedega works?
[03:26] <spanglesontoast> sound never works with linux sucks.
[03:26] <spanglesontoast> why should I buy a new sound card for a new os
[03:26] <spanglesontoast> I give up
[03:26] <keffo> Funraiser, watcha mean?
[03:26] <spanglesontoast> going back to windows where stuff works
[03:26] <Funraiser> if u have cedega 4.3 and the windows game, what do u do?
[03:26] <langenberg> spanglesontoast: you are weak.
[03:26] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: what isn't working? mp3 or ebverything?
[03:27] <spanglesontoast> I want to switch the main soundcard other
[03:27] <keffo> Funraiser, well.. you type cedega startfile.exe
[03:27] <spanglesontoast> over
[03:27] <h> is xfce very hard to get going in ubuntu?
[03:27] <keffo> h not at all
[03:27] <Funraiser> u run the game from the cdplayer?
[03:27] <h> is it apt-gettable
[03:27] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: can you disable the one you don't want in BIOS ?
[03:28] <spanglesontoast> well I want to swap them over
[03:28] <spanglesontoast> cos I still want to use them
[03:28] <langenberg> spanglesontoast: .asoundrc
[03:28] <spanglesontoast> how do I access that file?
[03:28] <langenberg> spanglesontoast: or in the alsaconf
[03:28] <Kamping_kaiser> hi lucychili
[03:28] <apokryphos> h: sudo apt-get install xfce4
[03:28] <spanglesontoast> location
[03:28] <spanglesontoast> plz
[03:28] <alerodgom> help with external modem in ubuntu live cd not working to pick up call to isp
[03:28] <Funraiser> Keffo u let the game in the cdplayer?
[03:28] <langenberg> spanglesontoast: ~/.asoundrc
[03:28] <ArdieM> haw can i change roots password ?
[03:28] <lucychili> greets kk
[03:28] <Funraiser> or u make a copy of it in a file somewhere?
[03:29] <green_> ArdieM, "sudo passwd"
[03:29] <keffo> ArdieM, sudo passwd
[03:29] <spanglesontoast> yea where is it?
[03:29] <t3rror> spanglesontoast > you should use a slocate command to find itr
[03:29] <keffo> Funraiser, whatcha mean?
[03:29] <Funraiser> how does cedega know where the game is?
[03:29] <green_> odd question.. anyone here using synergy with hoary?
[03:29] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: ~ means your home dir :)
[03:29] <keffo> ;p
[03:30] <spanglesontoast> it's not in there
[03:30] <t3rror> it is a hidden file
[03:30] <keffo> .
[03:30] <langenberg> spanglesontoast: Are you already giving up at this stage? There is more to explore ;)
[03:30] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: it's a dot file (hidden file)
[03:30] <green_> spanglesontoast, "ls -al"
[03:30] <spanglesontoast> yea I know it's hidden
[03:30] <spanglesontoast> it doesn't exist thou
[03:30] <Funraiser> keffo do u have to download the game from transgaming or u can use a disc that has the game on it?
[03:31] <keffo> Funraiser, oh ofc.. you just need cedega.. and you can run your cdgames, whatever..
[03:31] <keffo> cedega's just an translator
[03:31] <keffo> ;p
[03:32] <lucychili> is there a fix for printing mailmerge that avoids all the labels after the first one being black?
[03:32] <vessuvius> What do people prefer for their filesystem?  ReiserFS or Ext3 or?
[03:32] <spanglesontoast> just said it's no where to be found
[03:32] <t3rror> what kind of sound card are you trying to use?
[03:32] <flipy> i can't get any multimedia player to work. beep-media-player and xmms get stuck, sox also and i don't know about alsaplayer... what's wrong with it? using hoary
[03:32] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: look at /etc/alsa then
[03:32] <spanglesontoast> what file in there?
[03:32] <Shogo> Hi.. Im trying to install mplayer with the guide from www.ubuntuguide.org on 5.04, But I cant seem to find the libfontconfig1 libvorbis0a packages when I try to use apt-get
[03:32] <Shogo> Any ideas ?
[03:33] <spanglesontoast> terror it's an onboard and pci card
[03:33] <spanglesontoast> I want the pci to still be there
[03:33] <t3rror> why do you want to use both?
[03:33] <spanglesontoast> one for headphones and mic
[03:33] <spanglesontoast> the other for music
[03:34] <vessuvius> What size do you think / needs?
[03:34] <spanglesontoast> still haven't got my bass and centre working
[03:35] <spanglesontoast> using xmms
[03:35] <spanglesontoast> I can switch to that card
[03:35] <Funraiser> keffo, thanks i'll try
[03:35] <cyberix_> Why doesn't the keyboard indicator change anything?
[03:36] <cyberix_> If I choose greek layout I'll still get to write only latin characters.
[03:36] <cyberix_> Finnish layout works well.
[03:37] <spanglesontoast> + the /etc/alsa/ has nothing to do with the sound card alias
[03:39] <Shufla> hello :)
[03:40] <flipy> i can't get any multimedia player to work. beep-media-player and xmms get stuck, sox also and i don't know about alsaplayer... what's wrong with it? using hoary
[03:40] <Shufla> i've got problem with horizontal refresh on my monitor. I've run dpkg-reconfigure -p low xserver-xorg and then choosed 1152x...@75Hz. but my monitor still works with 60Hz. what's wrong?
[03:40] <cyberix_> flipy: How about totem?
[03:40] <lunitik> spanglesontoast: you're trying to teach someone about /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.alias on IRC?
[03:41] <bet0x> http://comic.escomposlinux.org/ecol-199-e.png <-- It's hard to be a hacker no ?
[03:41] <bet0x> a couple of humor for this channel :p
[03:41] <spanglesontoast> huh
[03:41] <spanglesontoast> no
[03:41] <spanglesontoast> I'm trying to switch my soundcard over
[03:41] <spiral> hi
[03:41] <lunitik> spanglesontoast: ahh... you're just stating an issue... bag
[03:41] <lunitik> bah*
[03:41] <mjr> Shufla, hmh, 1) report a bug, and 2) perhaps try to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or, on Hoary, xorg.conf to give the actual values that your monitor can do in the Monitor section
[03:41] <spanglesontoast> so it appears as the other soundcard
[03:42] <Shufla> mjr: it's hoary-rc. warty and hoary'2004 was changing these values correctly.
[03:43] <lunitik> spanglesontoast: you know what the other soundcards module is?
[03:43] <lunitik> spanglesontoast: rmmod thatmodule
[03:43] <lunitik> load it again later if you want  :/
[03:43] <lunitik> spanglesontoast: sounds like you don't want to use the other one at all though?
[03:43] <spanglesontoast> yea
[03:43] <spanglesontoast> I only want to use it for headphones
[03:43] <Kamping_kaiser> shufla make sure you restart gdm and X
[03:43] <spanglesontoast> the other I want to use all the time
[03:44] <Shufla> that's in my xorg.conf file:HorizSync       30-68, VertRefresh     50-70
[03:44] <lunitik> spanglesontoast: to make sure it doesn't show up at all (after reboot for instance) add it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist also
[03:44] <Shufla> Kamping_kaiser: i'm running dpkg-reco... without running gdm.
[03:44] <spanglesontoast> what does that do?
[03:44] <lunitik> spanglesontoast: bah... for that usecase... what I said doesn't really work...
 Fackamato: look, that 'lpstat -p' tells you
[03:44] <Fackamato> it gives me nothing
[03:44] <Fackamato> :<
[03:44] <lunitik> spanglesontoast: adding it to blacklist would have it not get activated at boot...
[03:45] <mathmatt> how do you restart gnome after logging out and using CTRL-ALT-F1?
[03:45] <wezzer> ctrl+alt+[backspace] 
[03:45] <lunitik> mathmatt: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[03:45] <spanglesontoast> how do I find out the current sound modules loaded?
[03:45] <lunitik> wezzer: from tty0 ?  umm, no
[03:45] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: lsmod
[03:45] <Shufla> spanglesontoast: try lsmod | grep -i audio
[03:45] <wezzer> ach, if using tty0, then of course that doesn't work
[03:45] <wezzer> sorry
[03:46] <Shufla> blah, grep snd
[03:46] <mathmatt> thanks lunitik and wezzer
[03:46] <lunitik> Shufla: :P was about to say something about that   ;)
[03:46] <Fackamato> I can't add a printer in Ubuntu. I run the add printer thing, specify SMB (it's shared on a windows xp sp2 computer), type in the IP, username, password, printer type etc etc, press "apply" and it doesn't show up.
[03:46] <Fackamato> What's up with this?
[03:47] <spiral> Fackamato: did you do this with the sudoed account ?
[03:47] <thoreauputic> Fackamato: you have samba installed?
[03:47] <spanglesontoast> snd_opl3_lib           10816  1 snd_cmipci
[03:47] <spanglesontoast> think that's the one
[03:47] <spanglesontoast> how do I blacklist it?
[03:47] <mathmatt> lunitik: just curious, what does CTRL-ALT-F1 actually do?
[03:47] <Fackamato> thoreauputic: smbfs? or what?
[03:47] <Shufla> Fackamato: look at logs in /var/log/cups/
[03:47] <lunitik> spanglesontoast: thats onboard C-Media usually...
[03:47] <spiral> spanglesontoast: /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[03:47] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: put it in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[03:47] <Fackamato> spiral: tried both
[03:47] <spanglesontoast> nope it's a pci
[03:47] <spanglesontoast> huh what just the name
[03:48] <lunitik> mathmatt: restarts the x server ... issues basically what I just said...
[03:48] <Shufla> oh my god :(
[03:48] <Shufla> 268MB to update...
[03:48] <mathmatt> lunitik: OK, thanks!
[03:48] <spanglesontoast> it's a text file?
[03:48] <Shufla> well. i'll try to change monitor settings after update
[03:48] <spiral> spanglesontoast: sure
[03:49] <lunitik> Shufla: its the day before release though... so last but one dist-upgrade for hoary...
[03:49] <Shufla> time left: 7d 20h 45m 10s :(
[03:49] <spiral> Shufla: rtc ?
[03:49] <lunitik> Shufla: hahahha... yeah.... wait till tomorrow, and dist-upgrade then...
[03:49] <Shufla> lunitik: well. tomorrow is release day?
[03:49] <Shufla> i'll wait
[03:50] <Shufla> spiral: nope... synaptic download time... :(
[03:50] <lunitik> Shufla: ahaha... if you go via shipit ... it'd prolly get there faster than that though...
[03:50] <spanglesontoast> be back soon
[03:50] <spanglesontoast> I'll tell ya if it took effect
[03:50] <spiral> Shufla: what kind of connection do you have ?
[03:50] <spiral> Shufla: rtc ?
[03:50] <Shufla> lunitik: but DVDs aren't shipipted :(
[03:50] <lunitik> Shufla: how much of the extra stuff on the DVD do you use though?
[03:50] <Fackamato> thoreauputic: do I need samba installed? or just smbfs
[03:50] <Shufla> spiral: ahh... "great polish monopolist ADSL shared with p0rn lover freak :("
[03:50] <lunitik> Shufla: cuz it installs all the same shit
[03:51] <Shufla> lunitik: well. i'd like to use my native language, which is not shipped on CD.
[03:51] <thoreauputic> Fackamato: I don't know, to be honest - i have a linux-only network with NFS
[03:51] <lunitik> Fackamato: to access... just smbclient
[03:51] <george> Can anyone tell me fully what X is in linux?
[03:51] <Shufla> lunitik: but i'll torrent DVD. and spread shipped CD through neigbourhood
[03:52] <george> or at least how to exit the x server in gnome, heh
[03:52] <lunitik> george: it is the protocol used to display GNOME etc on the screen...
[03:52] <mjr> george, X isn't in linux, per se; it runs on top of Linux, and provides basic windowed graphical input/output, which the desktop environments use
[03:52] <lunitik> george: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[03:52] <george> thanks =)
[03:53] <Shufla> huh... cups-smb isn't in main...?
[03:53] <lunitik> george: /etc/init.d/gdm start or restart to (gasp) restart it
[03:53] <bet0x> how i configure the composite extencion under linux and transset too
[03:54] <bet0x> on my Xorg
[03:54] <keats_> hi guys. i can't play mp3s with rhythmbox
[03:54] <keats_> in xmms it works fine
[03:54] <wezzer-> keats_: type in to the console
[03:54] <thoreauputic> keats_: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:54] <keats_> but rhythmbox doesn't seem to regnize mp3s
[03:54] <wezzer-> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:54] <keats_> i did that
[03:54] <Fackamato> I have both samba, smbfs, smbclient installed
[03:54] <Shufla> bet0x: manually editing xorg.conf. google for it.
[03:54] <Fackamato> still no printer appears in when I try to add one in the printer administrator
[03:55] <Fackamato> ( "Printers" ), I'm trying to add a samba shared printer..
[03:55] <keats_> gstreamer0.8-mad is already the newest version.
[03:55] <keats_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[03:55] <keats_> wezzer i'm using warthy if that makes a difference :)
[03:56] <Shufla> george: http://www.x.org/X11_protocol.html
[03:56] <wezzer-> ahum
[03:56] <thoreauputic> keats_: try sudo gst-register0.8
[03:56] <george> thanks =)
[03:56] <wezzer-> that might solve some things out
[03:56] <Fackamato> this is the log:
[03:56] <Fackamato> E [07/Apr/2005:13:38:50 +0200]  add_printer: bad device-uri attribute 'smb://user:pass@192.168.1.4/hp'!
[03:56] <Fackamato> E [07/Apr/2005:15:50:40 +0200]  add_printer: bad device-uri attribute 'smb://user:pass@192.168.1.4/hp'!
[03:56] <Fackamato> E [07/Apr/2005:15:54:36 +0200]  add_printer: bad device-uri attribute 'smb://user:pass@Lars/hp'!
[03:56] <george> I'm pretty new to linux, and to ubuntu too of course
[03:57] <scoox> me too
[03:57] <lunitik> Fackamato: try what this dude says  http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2002-May/042991.html
[03:57] <spanglesontoast> ok that works
[03:58] <keats_> thoreauputic, it doesn't work
[03:58] <keats_> i did it but the same problems
[03:58] <thoreauputic> keats_: OK - it was worth a try - sometimes helps
[03:58] <Shufla> Fackamato: hm... try to connect with 'smbclient -L -U user%pass 192.168.1.4' to see what's there. and then 'smblicent -U user%pass //192.168.1.3/hp'
[03:58] <lunitik> Fackamato: actually... ignore that... haa
[03:58] <keats_> thx anyways
[03:58] <keats_> any ideas? please :)
[03:58] <scoox> anyone knows of an app for editting keyboard layouts
[03:59] <thoreauputic> keats_: do you have system sounds?
[03:59] <bet0x> Shufla: how i add composite at stat my GDM ?
[03:59] <bet0x> on a file in ~/.xsession , no?
[03:59] <keffo>  hm
[03:59] <samuel> hello all
[03:59] <keffo> system -> settings -> sessions
[03:59] <keffo> add your command line there..
[04:00] <Shufla> bet0x: hm... i thought that composite extension is configured into xorg.conf file...
[04:00] <RpJ_> Hi .. someone can answer me a question about an a ipw2100 ?
[04:00] <keats_> thoreauputic, i guess that if i can listen to music in xmms in have it, or am i wrong ?
[04:00] <RpJ_> Seems that it can't find my ap but i think is well configured
[04:00] <RpJ_> And it happens since I've upgraded to hoary
[04:01] <Shufla> they're closing streets in my city :( arghh :(
[04:01] <thoreauputic> keats_: rhythmbox uses gstreamer - xmms probably is using mpg123 or similar
[04:01] <keffo> Shufla, why?
[04:01] <spanglesontoast> ok so gnome only specifies the soundcard
[04:01] <samuel> anyone know of a tool to see what packets are being sent and recieved in the LAN by a third computer (one thats not sending or recieving)? im having trouble with my router and want to see if things are being sent at all
[04:01] <spanglesontoast> if theres one there
[04:01] <hightide> is it really true that ubuntu really ship it free?
[04:01] <hightide> is it really true that ubuntu really ship it free?
[04:01] <ArdieM> how can i mount windows partitions ?
[04:01] <apokryphos> hightide: yes
[04:01] <thoreauputic> hightide: yes
[04:01] <spanglesontoast> all I need now is my subwoofer working
[04:01] <apokryphos> ArdieM: have you checked the Ubuntu guide?
[04:01] <keffo> thoreauputic, is there a time set for hoary stable?
[04:01] <ArdieM> could you gimme the link ?
[04:02] <ArdieM> i didnt knew that there is one .. sorry
[04:02] <thoreauputic> keffo: tomorrow (april 8)
[04:02] <keffo>  www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:02] <apokryphos> no problem
[04:02] <ArdieM> ah damn
[04:02] <keffo> thoreauputic, yey, i kna.. just thought about any specific time
[04:02] <ArdieM> another problem
[04:02] <keats_> thoreauputic, yes i have them
[04:02] <ArdieM> my firefox isnt working
[04:02] <Shufla> keffo: because of John Paul's. there are some "walks" (argghhh... with prayers, I don't know how to say it in english)
[04:02] <ArdieM> it starts and freezes
[04:02] <keffo> ah
[04:02] <keats_> thoreauputic, i can listen to the sounds gnome makes
[04:02] <keffo> i see
[04:02] <Shufla> ArdieM: run firefox from terminal. any output?
[04:02] <ArdieM> no
[04:02] <ArdieM> okay
[04:02] <keffo> ArdieM, hm, its not like.. your just lazy ? ;P
[04:03] <Florsch> can someone tell me, how i can find out if an my acpi is loaded?
[04:03] <lunitik> Fackamato: two things... other box is up?  and while its up... did you try to just 'Global Settings > Detect LAN Printers'?
[04:03] <ArdieM> there is but nothing important
[04:03] <Fackamato> Shufla: weird, says I don't have permissions (NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED making remote directory \test) when I DO have permissions
[04:03] <hightide> apokryphos: how many cd's the ubuntu have? i've just registered today, and i have choosen the default which is 10 CD's is it really 10 CD's?
[04:03] <thoreauputic> keats_: hmm - dunno - you could try sudo dpkg-reconfigure gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:03] <Fackamato> lunitik: yup, it didn't detect anything, and yes, the box is up
[04:03] <Shufla> Fackamato: ask your network admin...
[04:03] <thoreauputic> keats_: it seems to be a gstreamer problem
[04:03] <Shufla> Florsch: dmesg | grep -i acpi
[04:03] <apokryphos> hightide: I don't really think there is a "default" (though it starts on 10). But yes, Canonical have deep pockets.
[04:04] <spanglesontoast> surely someone know something about via
[04:04] <Fackamato> nevermind
[04:04] <Shufla> hope they have endless pockets :D
[04:04] <Fackamato> it showed up now
[04:04] <Fackamato> Shufla: hahaha, I'm the network admin ;P
[04:04] <george> sorry to bother you again, one last question though.  How do I set my default run level?  I want to set it as such that I don't boot directly into x, but to a vga console (at least that's what my graphics driver wants me to do)
[04:05] <langenberg> george: /etc/inittab
[04:05] <hightide> apokryphos: how many days would be the shipment of CD's will it take? i'm from Philippines
[04:05] <Florsch> shufla: thx
[04:05] <george> thanks again =)
[04:05] <george> leaving channel, hopefully to restart and finish graphics card driver installation
[04:05] <apokryphos> hightide: I think they mention that they won't come until at least mid-April
[04:05] <langenberg> When is the next ubuntu release?
[04:06] <keats_> thoreauputic, hmmm is that fixable ?
[04:06] <thoreauputic> george: killing gdm is all you need to install your driver
[04:06] <lunitik> langenberg: tomorrow
[04:06] <Shufla> langenberg: on october'05
[04:06] <GNAM> auaua
[04:06] <Shufla> ah... indeed
[04:06] <thoreauputic> keats_: did you try the reconfigure command I posted?
[04:06] <Florsch> seems to be installed...but how can i make changes...my fan is running without interrupt although i flashed my bios today
[04:06] <langenberg> :P
[04:07] <langenberg> No I'm planning to use it on some workstations in a company, if it will not be released within a few months I'll crap Warty. Don't wanna use RC's at a company.
[04:07] <langenberg> grap* :P
[04:07] <keats_> thoreauputic, still nothing
[04:07] <langenberg> grab** :P :P
[04:08] <Shufla> brb
[04:08] <lunitik> langenberg: each release gets security fixes for a year.
[04:08] <lunitik> uhh... 18 months... warty has a year left... my bad
[04:09] <hightide> apokryphos: from what country they ubuntu linux came from?
[04:09] <hightide> apokryphos: from what country that ubuntu linux came from?
[04:09] <lunitik> hightide: technically Isle of Man ... England
[04:09] <apokryphos> hightide: it's UK-based, but I imagine they have several branches
[04:10] <keffo> africa ;P
[04:10] <lunitik> keffo: eh... Canonical isn't registered in Africa
[04:10] <hightide> whoahhhhhhhhhhh that's nice
[04:10] <keffo> :P
[04:10] <langenberg> lunitik: What does that mean? In what way can I upgrade the workstations when I new ubuntu has been released?
[04:10] <lunitik> keffo: just the owner is from there  :)
[04:10] <keffo> i kna
[04:10] <keffo> heh
[04:10] <keffo> kiddin
[04:10] <apokryphos> langenberg: by changing one file and putting in two commands
[04:10] <thoreauputic> keats_: this is a desperation measure, but you can try  sudo init 1 to go right down to single user level, then ctrl-D to get back to X and gdm - it might kick-start your sound system
[04:11] <langenberg> apokryphos: I'm not in a cryptic mood right now ;)
[04:11] <lunitik> langenberg: for a business... look into apt-proxy
[04:11] <lunitik> langenberg: (if you haven't already)
[04:11] <thoreauputic> langenberg: upgrading is trivially easy
[04:11] <ben> morning guys
[04:12] <apokryphos> langenberg: basically, to upgrade from, say, Warty to hoary, you only have to change one file (sources.list) and put in two commands: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:12] <rickdangerous> ben, afternoon
[04:12] <keats_> thoreauputic, shouldn't a simple restart do the same thing ?
[04:12] <ben> rickdangerous, afternoon to you then :-D
[04:12] <thoreauputic> keats_: yes, it *should*
[04:12] <langenberg> thoreauputic: okay, just needed to know that. :)
[04:12] <rickdangerous> ben ;)
[04:12] <hightide> apokryphos: so it means that the shipment is free, and the cd's are free too right?
[04:12] <apokryphos> hightide: precisely.
[04:12] <lunitik> hightide: yes
[04:12] <thoreauputic> hightide: right
[04:13] <h> hightide: yep
[04:13] <apokryphos> what a helpful bunch we are ;-)
[04:13] <hightide> thanks lunitik, thoreauputic, blacklabel
[04:13] <langenberg> lunitik: I'll take a look at apt-proxy, It's a sort of cache, isn't it.
[04:13] <langenberg> lunitik: but 3rd party?
[04:13] <Florsch> i have installed the package powernowd, how can i proove if it is used or how can i use it...the same command isn't working
[04:14] <thoreauputic> langenberg: no, it's in the repos
[04:14] <bestadvocate> have you guys been to the mplayer homepage?
[04:14] <lunitik> langenberg: basically... it sets up a local repository... so you can better dictate what the users get...
[04:14] <lunitik> langenberg: saves a lot of bandwidth...
[04:15] <lunitik> langenberg: then just have the boxes apt-get dist-upgrade via cron once a week or something... and they can all stay up to date without killing your bandwidth  :)
[04:16] <lunitik> langenberg: its a Debian tool ... not really 3rd party... although not officially supported by Ubuntu afaik (although it ought to be  >:|)
[04:16] <bestadvocate> www.mplayerhq.hu , did you know the patten law passed?
[04:16] <lunitik> langenberg: it is in Universe (unsupported but free software)
[04:17] <lunitik> bestadvocate: yes
[04:17] <habib> All: does anyone had audacity or hydrogen runs fine?
[04:17] <lunitik> bestadvocate: passed like a month ago (more like a couple weeks ago... but yeah)
[04:17] <bestadvocate> last I remeber Poland had voted it down :(
[04:17] <Frost^> good day folkd
[04:17] <Frost^> folks even
[04:18] <lunitik> Frost^: sup
[04:18] <ptlo> bestadvocate: actually it didn't pass but the council chairman said 'we're going to use it anyways', or something like that
[04:18] <Frost^> I was wondering if any or you could tell me if it is possible to upgrade ubuntu cleanly, from one release to another
[04:18] <lunitik> bestadvocate: nerim and mplayer still host the codecs though... so no big deal to me  :P
[04:18] <thoreauputic> Frost^: yes
[04:18] <bestadvocate> developments going to die out....
[04:19] <Frost^> how simple is it to do so?
[04:19] <lunitik> bestadvocate: umm... not really... its just illegal for more people now...
[04:19] <Kamping_kaiser> apt-get update && apt-get install
[04:19] <apokryphos> Frost^: very simple
[04:19] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell Frost^ ubuhoary
[04:19] <Pyre> Frost^: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[04:19] <Kamping_kaiser> apt-get dist-upgrade rather
[04:19] <bestadvocate> oh... but the mplayer homepage says they may not bee there later
[04:19] <Frost^> thanks
[04:19] <thoreauputic> Frost^: edit one file ( /etc/apt/sources.list) ; apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:19] <lunitik> Pyre: botsnack
[04:20] <lunitik> apokryphos: damnit... you suck @ bots
[04:20] <lunitik> :P
[04:20] <apokryphos> =)
[04:20] <Frost^> oh, that's nice
[04:21] <Frost^> well I just installed hoary on qemu, I was asking for future upgrades
[04:21] <apokryphos> Frost^: sure; same method, but no editing of sources.list
[04:21] <exalted> do you accept comments on Ubuntu System?
[04:21] <Frost^> no no apokryphos you were right with your comment :)
[04:22] <thoreauputic> exalted: no, we censor all of them ;-)
[04:22] <exalted> thoreauputic, hmm my bad then...
[04:22] <apokryphos> We can't guarantee your safety on this channel.
[04:22] <Frost^> I was refering to how easy it would be upgrading to ubuntu 6 for example, if and when it comes out
[04:22] <thoreauputic> exalted: just kidding :)
[04:22] <lunitik> apokryphos: is it possible to teach the bot things?  (ie, Pyre foo is bar ... and have it add it to the database?)
[04:22] <apokryphos> Frost^: always the same method :)
[04:22] <exalted> thoreauputic, so is it an yes?
[04:22] <brrrt> hello hello,
[04:22] <thoreauputic> exalted: feel free :)
[04:22] <lunitik> Pyre trey is god
[04:23] <apokryphos> lunitik: he's a little primitive at the mo; query him and type "help" for what he can do so far
[04:23] <Shufla> re :(
[04:23] <occy> how can you find out who maintains a package?
[04:23] <occy> (that you don't have downloaded already)
[04:23] <brrrt> could anyone tell mi if cat  /dev/hda > /dev/hdd is a safe way to clone my harddisk (i am on a live cd now)
[04:23] <carsonc> occy: apt-cache show packagename
[04:23] <carsonc> (assuming you've done an apt-get update)
[04:24] <exalted> I hate Ubuntu specific dependencies... Ex: I want to remove ubuntu-sounds package, he wants to remove gdm!!! (i did mentioned about this before)
[04:24] <Shufla> I've got HorizSync 37.5kHz and VertRefresh 75Hz hardcoded into config. but monitor still operates in 60Hz. These values are from manual ;(
[04:24] <lunitik> apokryphos: is he even a blootbot?
[04:24] <habib> How do I disable sistem sound?
[04:24] <apokryphos> lunitik: erm, what's that? :)
[04:24] <exalted> habib, any sound?
[04:24] <darkersatanic> brrrt: Try   dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdd
[04:24] <lunitik> apokryphos: apt-cache show blootbot
[04:25] <lunitik> apokryphos: it is what most of the bots in #debian-bots are
[04:25] <apokryphos> lunitik: nope; python bot
[04:25] <darkersatanic> brrrt: Although that may break your partition table. Safer to do it a partition at a time.
[04:25] <lunitik> apokryphos: nice place to start
[04:25] <apokryphos> lunitik: Yeah, checked that channel not too long ago. Cool bots
[04:25] <apokryphos> lunitik: my brother's project ;-). Custom coded.
[04:25] <darkersatanic> brrrt: Safer even than that to copy the data with a tool that understands filesystems, like tar.
[04:26] <exalted> habib, you want to disable all sound available by the system. or just killing sound server?
[04:26] <brrrt> darkersatanic: but dd copies blockwise
[04:26] <Florsch> sudo stands for the password, or?
[04:26] <ArdieM> how can Failed to run gdmsetup as user root:
[04:26] <exalted> flodine, super user do
[04:26] <ArdieM>  Unterprozess endete mit dem Status 1#
[04:26] <Shufla> X-server isn't listening to values provied in monitor section :(
[04:26] <brrrt> darkersatanic: so if there are any bad blocks ...
[04:26] <ArdieM> what does that mean ? whyt to do ?
[04:26] <ArdieM> *what
[04:27] <bestadvocate> stupid eu
[04:27] <habib> exalted: I wanna run audacity, but it says that
[04:27] <darkersatanic> brrrt: But cat will have the same problems as dd.
[04:27] <ArdieM> damn
[04:27] <darkersatanic> brrrt: Like I said, safer to use tar.
[04:27] <habib> there is I/O error
[04:27] <Madeye> whats the path of ubuntu default sounds themes ?
[04:27] <exalted> habib, ...
[04:27] <ArdieM> sorry---- again: i get this error while starting that autologin menu: "Failed to run gdmsetup as user root:
[04:27] <ArdieM>  Unterprozess endete mit dem Status 1" what to do ?
[04:27] <habib> exalted: yes
[04:28] <Shufla> Madeye: look in /usr/share/sounds/
[04:28] <thoreauputic> exalted: can't you just reinstall gdm after removing ubuntu-sounds?
[04:28] <exalted> thoreauputic, it installs ubunut-sounds with gdm auto.
[04:28] <Shufla> ArdieM: run it from terminal sudo gdmsetup
[04:28] <exalted> habib, didn't you asked to disable system sounds?
[04:29] <ArdieM> Shufla: yes it works ... thanks
[04:29] <thoreauputic> exalted: why not just disable system sounds?
[04:29] <exalted> thoreauputic, is it the same?
[04:29] <exalted> thoreauputic, or just a workaround?
[04:30] <thoreauputic> exalted: try it and see
[04:30] <habib> exalted: tahts what programs  says
[04:30] <exalted> thoreauputic, don't think so.. i'm pretty sure
[04:30] <thoreauputic> exalted: well, it should silence the theme sounds I think
[04:30] <occy> carsonc: danke ;)
[04:30] <exalted> habib, can't help you with this info. sorry
[04:30] <Shufla> Artemis3: how did you installed ubuntu? you've come warty->hoary path?
[04:31] <thoreauputic> exalted: or just find the sounds, rename them, substitute ones you want
[04:31] <Shufla> i've unplugged KVM switch...
[04:31] <exalted> thoreauputic, this is just like deleting a lonk to an application while the whole application stays on the system. don't you agree with me?
[04:31] <gholen> Hi! How do I edit my /etc/fstab file to get acces and automount for my USB-Devices?
[04:31] <samuel> does anyone know of hybernate? is it necessary to have as much swap as you do memory?
[04:31] <exalted> thoreauputic, lonk = link
[04:31] <carsonc> bitte, occy
[04:31] <Shufla> same :(
[04:32] <samuel> does anyone know of hybernate? is it necessary to have as much swap as you do memory?
[04:32] <thoreauputic> exalted: hmm - well, I guess so - but if it's the sounds you don't like, you can change them
[04:32] <Shufla> samuel: afair memory have to be dumped somewhere...
[04:32] <Shufla> samuel: and the rule is, that you should have twice amount of swap than memory
[04:32] <samuel> Shufla, is there any way to dump it in the main /partition?
[04:33] <thoreauputic> exalted:  ` locate sound | grep gnome or something...
[04:33] <Shufla> samuel: you can have mount-looped swap.
[04:33] <dballester> hightide, anybody knows if exists an irc channel to talk with ( a lot of good luck ) dpkg developers O:D ? tia
[04:33] <Rv> hiya
[04:33] <samuel> Shufla, i know the rule, but i just upgraded my memory
[04:33] <exalted> thoreauputic, in a way yes, i don't like them, but on the other hand, if i don't need them i simply have to remove that package. but this dependencie threads me saying "next time i will have difficulties of updating system"
[04:33] <Rv> has anybody some issues using apt for warty ?
[04:33] <samuel> so i have more memory now than swap
[04:33] <Shufla> samuel: ok. then use mount-looped swap. google for `swap loop linux'
[04:33] <Rv> for example, I'm trying to install vlc and xine
[04:33] <exalted> Rv, what issue?
[04:34] <samuel> Shufla, mount-looped swap?
[04:34] <samuel> Shufla, thanks
[04:34] <brrrt> darkersatanic: but when i use tar i will have to setup the MBR manually ?
[04:34] <Rv> brb
[04:34] <thoreauputic> Rv: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:35] <thoreauputic> oh he's gone already ;/
[04:35] <exalted> thoreauputic, as to my very personal opinion this is a weak side of ubuntu, and not a good policy... have to change it as soon as possible.
[04:35] <ArdieM> is hoary final out ?
[04:35] <thoreauputic> exalted: heh - write a bug report/ feature request :)
[04:35] <exalted> thoreauputic, have to :)
[04:35] <Shufla> eh... i hope that idea-patents won't survive in europe...
[04:35] <gholen> Hi! How do I edit my /etc/fstab file to get acces and automount for my USB-Devices?
[04:36] <Shufla> but that software isn't correct with ubuntu philosophy
[04:36] <exalted> gholen, wait a min
[04:36] <HiddenWolf> gholem, it should do that automaticly
[04:36] <whiskey_2> man i can't believe all these people getting all those restricted codecs from Hungary
[04:36] <whiskey_2> and they think it is funny
[04:36] <gholen> exalted: ikej, sorry
[04:37] <HiddenWolf> whiskey_2, would you have us do without dvd, wma and stuff?
[04:37] <xiaogil> how to run the command : cat myfile | grep AA'any char'BB ?
[04:37] <Shufla> whiskey_2: eastern europe countries aren't accessible with US and other patents.
[04:37] <thoreauputic> whiskey_2: ?
[04:37] <Frost^> does ubuntu include a configuration GUI of some sort?
[04:37] <whiskey_2> HiddenWolf, well it ain't none of my business
[04:37] <exalted> gholen, wrong alarm sorry, couldn't find that doc. for ya
[04:37] <Shufla> Frost^: yes, for most utils.
[04:37] <thoreauputic> whiskey_2: in sane countries these things are legal
[04:37] <whiskey_2> thoreauputic, well whatever
[04:38] <Frost^> Shufla, can you please tell me how do I get to it?
[04:38] <xiaogil> How to look for ABC+"any character"+DEF in gedit ?
[04:38] <HiddenWolf> whiskey_2, I wouldn't do it if I could avoid it, but where I live, it's legal, and I believe any non-free standard should be shot down
[04:38] <Shufla> Frost^: what would you like to get configured?
[04:38] <Shufla> xiaogil: does it have regexp search?
[04:38] <ArdieM> how can i upgrade my os to the newest ubuntu ?
[04:38] <Frost^> oh well I was thinking more of a cetral configuration unit?
[04:38] <exalted> anyway i can paste you my aut0-mount string for a fat32 partition, if you know how to modify it for an USB device, that good.
[04:38] <Frost^> printers for example
[04:38] <Shufla> xiaogil: regexp: /^ABC.*DEF$/
[04:39] <xiaogil> Shufla: should be because it works for \t
[04:39] <exalted> ArdieM, what are you using right now?
[04:39] <ArdieM> warty
[04:39] <Shufla> xiaogil: it'll match 'blabla ABCsadsadDEF asdsadsad'
[04:39] <knubbze> hi
[04:40] <louis_> hi
[04:40] <Shufla> brb
[04:40] <knubbze> I would like to have a php that generates a live screenshot of my screen
[04:40] <knubbze> but apache is running as www-data
[04:40] <knubbze> and I am ckiewiet - so basically
[04:40] <exalted> ArdieM, if u want to leave your system as it is, but just upgrading to hoary, please edit /etc/apt/source.list file, and replace all the uncommented strings saying warty to hoary; and then apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:40] <knubbze> how can I get import to screenshot the screen of user "ckiewiet"
[04:40] <xiaogil> Shufla: thanks a lot
[04:41] <ArdieM> exalted: but there is a newer release then hoary isnt it ?
[04:41] <knubbze> like import -window root -user ckiewiet /var/www/img/livescreenshot.png
[04:41] <knubbze> :o
[04:41] <exalted> ArdieM, yeah
[04:41] <ArdieM> i want the latest
[04:41] <thoreauputic> knubbze: you just need the imabemagick suite
[04:41] <thoreauputic> *imagemagick
[04:42] <knubbze> i have imagemagick installed
[04:42] <knubbze> does that like - suffice?
[04:42] <exalted> ArdieM, oh i'm sorry then the whole paragraph that i wrote is still valid, just instead of hoary you have to write new version's name
[04:42] <ArdieM> exalted: so do i have to change warty to Breezy ?
[04:42] <apokryphos> No, Breezy is not out...
[04:42] <exalted> ArdieM, theorically, i'm not sure all of the mirrors have breezy, give it a try
[04:42] <Shufla> re
[04:43] <Shufla> i've screened irc session :>
[04:43] <thoreauputic> ArdieM: breezy starts after hoary
[04:43] <exalted> ArdieM, you see apokryphos told that it isn't out yet
[04:43] <ArdieM> yeah :)
[04:43] <prego> I've installed gstreamer-plugins, and w32codecs, but Totem does not display videos. However kaffeine does. What am I missing? (I've run also gst-register)
[04:43] <exalted> thoreauputic, hoary released today right?
[04:43] <gholen> exalted: okej
[04:43] <xiaogil> Shufla: it doesn't work... what can i write to look for : 1.'any_char'.2 ? Or 1.*.2 ?
[04:43] <ArdieM> prego: fuck off totem just do a: "apt-get install vlc"
[04:43] <hohlraum> so whats the deal with all the ESD and OSS defaults for sound?
[04:43] <ArdieM> prego: its the best player
[04:43] <Shufla> xiaogil: try without ^ and $
[04:43] <thoreauputic> exalted: the 8th ( today here)
[04:44] <prego> ArdieM: better than mplayer itself?
[04:44] <ArdieM> prego: IMO its the best
[04:44] <b_e_n_z> totem supports dvd menus
[04:44] <ArdieM> prego: plays nearly evrything (vlc)
[04:44] <exalted> thoreauputic, yeah? :) where do you live???
[04:44] <Shufla> xiaogil: shufla@atari:~$ echo "ABCasdsadDEF" | egrep ^ABC.\*DEF\$
[04:44] <Shufla> ABCasdsadDEF
[04:44] <thoreauputic> ArdieM: it's nice, but xine works better for me...
[04:44] <thoreauputic> exalted: Australia
[04:45] <ArdieM> hehe
[04:45] <Xappe> vlc supports dvd menus too
[04:45] <ArdieM> lol we have th 7th
[04:45] <prego> ArdieM: Oh, thanks, I'll check the vlc. "Video Land Client" isn't it?
[04:45] <ArdieM> :)
[04:45] <exalted> ArdieM, anyway in a couple of days you will be able to do this process
[04:45] <ArdieM> Video Lan
[04:45] <ArdieM> :)
[04:45] <thoreauputic> Fri Apr  8 00:45:17 EST 2005
[04:45] <GNAM> VLC is also the best in windows
[04:45] <ArdieM> exalted: okay cool ill give it a try in a week or smth.
[04:45] <ArdieM> GNAM: yes youre right
[04:46] <nydust> I am thinking on using ubuntu on my server? is this smart?
[04:46] <ArdieM> but windows is not the best on pc
[04:46] <ArdieM> :)
[04:46] <xiaogil> Shufla: ok, then i don't know how to make it work in gedit (only \t works in it)
[04:46] <GNAM> aua
[04:46] <hohlraum> nydust: debian is the one god on the server.. obey him.
[04:46] <ArdieM> hahaha
[04:46] <exalted> ArdieM, all right, consider that u're doing a very potent upgrade, hope nothing fails.. BACK UP BEFORE! :)
[04:46] <Shufla> xiaogil: i'm in X back, i'll check it right now
[04:46] <Xappe> vlc is quite bad at playing windows media though
[04:46] <Xappe> .wmv and such
[04:47] <ArdieM> exalted: ive nothing to lose.. expect my 200GB hdd
[04:47] <ArdieM> :P
[04:47] <thoreauputic> Xappe: xine seems to handle wmv quite well
[04:47] <Elektrolyyttikon> hmm what is the easiest way to cut part from png image and save it? i have scrot installed and set to take picture every 30s. with thumbail but apart of that i want to have other picture of one zone in the screen taken automatically.. i have also got image magic but dont know how to do it
[04:47] <exalted> ArdieM, it's nothing believe me :)
[04:47] <whiskey_2> what is with all those Lizard djvu files...what is so special about djvu
[04:47] <Xappe> ubuntu lives very happily on my 300 GB Maxtor drive :)
[04:47] <ArdieM> Elektrolyyttikon: THE GIMP
[04:47] <hohlraum> well i verified with the Fedora developers.. they are nuking redhat graphical boot and are going to boot directly into the main xserver and display boot messages in GDM .. thats insanely cool.
[04:48] <hohlraum> might even make it into FC4
[04:48] <Shufla> xiaogil: well. gedit do not support regexps, sorry.
[04:48] <ArdieM> Elektrolyyttikon: ive made my homepage www.ardiem.tk with THE GIMP
[04:48] <Elektrolyyttikon> ArdieM: i have gimp what im trying to do is that my pc takes picture automatically when im not at home..
[04:49] <Elektrolyyttikon> ArdieM: well that i have done.. but need tu cut part of the image
[04:49] <Shufla> BazooKA:
[04:49] <Shufla> sorry :)
[04:49] <whiskey_2> anyway i don't see why anybody needs all those codecs...because most people rip ogg files straight from gstreamer
[04:49] <exalted> have a nice day, see you
[04:49] <Rv> back ...
[04:49] <xiaogil> Shufla: ok, thanks for your help!
[04:49] <hohlraum> whiskey_2: most people use ogg? .. you're insane.
[04:49] <Shufla> xiaogil: try more advanced editor.
[04:49] <Rv> so I told that I had some dependancy problems with warty
[04:49] <Rv> using apt
[04:49] <xiaogil> Shufla: like which one ?
[04:49] <ArdieM> Elektrolyyttikon: you just want to cut something out... then use the cut tool from gimp
[04:50] <thoreauputic> Rv: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:50] <ArdieM> i dont know whats your problem... or am i missunderstanding you ?
[04:50] <whiskey_2> hohlraum, hey this dude came in here the other day and was worried about his hard drive because he invested so much time ripping 2000 ogg files
[04:50] <hohlraum> whiskey_2: what country are you from? :)
[04:50] <whiskey_2> hohlraum, hell if i know...my papers aren't straight
[04:50] <Elektrolyyttikon> ArdieM: dont you understand? i need that to happen every 30s automatically... can gimp do that?
[04:51] <Shufla> xiaogil: use synaptic and search "Name and desc" with string "text editor"
[04:52] <Shufla> xiaogil: have you ever tried `vim'? :D
[04:52] <thoreauputic> Elektrolyyttikon: I think you need to look at the facilities of imagemagick and write a script
[04:52] <Shufla> xiaogil: if you're looking for something better with gui activate `universe' repository and then do searches for text editor
[04:53] <thoreauputic> Elektrolyyttikon:  mogrify/ import / convert  etc etc
[04:53] <Shufla> xiaogil: or even multiverse
[04:53] <Elektrolyyttikon> thoreauputic: yeah.. i just found... gues.. but now i need to see the coordinates of my mouse to get it..
[04:53] <Rv> thoreauputic: but I even have troublies while installing GPL software as VLC/Xine/Xmms
[04:53] <Shufla> wow... sources.list configuration in Hoary is quite nice :D
[04:54] <thoreauputic> Rv: have you enabled universe and multiverse etc ? as well as the ones on that page?
[04:54] <thoreauputic> Rv: and reloaded/ updated ?
[04:54] <hohlraum> Shufla: .. except you can't disable an entry.. only remove it.. which is kinda lame.. (unless i missed that option)
[04:54] <Florsch> is there an easy way to update to hoary or do i have to install everything new?
[04:55] <_ReDRuM_> anyone know how to make X recognise new fonts installed (like msttcorefonts) ?
[04:55] <Shufla> hohlraum: lame or not. but there's progress. well, more bugreports, but i like it :D
[04:55] <Rv> reloaded updated ... ? I'll see
[04:55] <hohlraum> Shufla: yep it is nice.
[04:55] <Shufla> _ReDRuM_: msttfcore... package manage it automagilcy.
[04:55] <_ReDRuM_> it didnt for me :/
[04:55] <_ReDRuM_> theyre not showing up
[04:55] <thoreauputic> Rv: reload in synaptic, or do sudo apt-get update
[04:55] <nydust> hohlraum, what release do you think is best? where do i get the netinstaller?
[04:55] <csj> hello, I want to install svg2png but:
[04:55] <csj> libsvg-cairo1: Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[04:55] <csj> E: Broken packages
[04:55] <_ReDRuM_> theyre in the font dir but not available
[04:55] <Shufla> i'd like to be hired by canonical as tester... i've managing so many installations :D
[04:55] <csj> how to fix it?
[04:56] <hohlraum> nydust: use the new installer and just install Sarge .. its damn near the stable version right now.
[04:57] <nydust> hohlraum, where are the new installer?
[04:57] <hohlraum> nydust: lemme check
[04:57] <Shufla> xiaogil: aahhh! there's section editors in synaptic.
[04:57] <Florsch> no i meant, can i start update it by using apt-get upgrade
[04:57] <Florsch> - start
[04:57] <hohlraum> nydust: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
[04:57] <Rene_S> Good Morning
[04:58] <nydust> hohlraum, thanks you are an angel
[04:58] <xiaogil> Shufla: i'll relog and try my newly installed vim for gnome...
[04:58] <whiskey_2> what is with all those Lizard djvu files...is there a linux ripper for djvu
[04:58] <thoreauputic> Florsch: change all warty to hoary in /etc/apt/sources.list. then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:58] <Shufla> xiaogil: poor you :D newvimcomer :D
[04:58] <hohlraum> nydust: the netinst i386 will probably be fine for you if your machine is on the internet.
[04:59] <Florsch> ok, i will try, i am the absolut beginner with linux
[04:59] <xiaogil> Shufla: i used vim quite a lot before, but i just want something gaphical that use regexp
[04:59] <GhostFreeman> What do I haveta do to have a completely bugfree web browser in Warty?
[05:00] <hohlraum> xiaogil: for searching or for search and replace?
[05:00] <xiaogil> for search and replace
[05:00] <hohlraum> xiaogil: gedit doesn't support that? (I haven't checked)
[05:00] <thoreauputic> GhostFreeman: heh- completely bug-free ??
[05:00] <xiaogil> hohlraum: unfortunately not
[05:01] <nydust> hohlraum, where can i get guides for debian? i am quite new with linux, and i am starting to really understand ubuntu... love it.. I am not using other os..
[05:01] <GhostFreeman> Mozilla crashed twice because I attempted to copy/paste from Flash Player
[05:01] <hohlraum> xiaogil: if you are a vim user though as Shufla said .. gvim should work.
[05:01] <thoreauputic> GhostFreeman: I personally have the binary for firefox from mozilla.org installed
[05:01] <GhostFreeman> I should upgrade
[05:01] <hohlraum> nydust: further down that page.. under Documentation.. read the Installation manual.
[05:01] <nydust> ;)
[05:02] <GhostFreeman> I would use Firefox but it no longer runs in Warty. Hopefully upgrading to Hoary will fix it
[05:02] <hohlraum> nydust: does that machine have any other OS on it?
[05:02] <nydust> no
[05:02] <GhostFreeman> Mozilla is just too bloated. Epiphany is too.
[05:02] <hohlraum> nydust: then i wouldn't worry about breaking anything.. you can always reinstall it for practice  :)
[05:02] <thoreauputic> GhostFreeman: firefox is running fine in wart here with about 30 tabs open
[05:03] <nydust> hohlraum, i am a tester for my office, so if all works for me, we are going to change all the desktops to ubuntu...
[05:03] <GhostFreeman> it used to work fine for me
[05:03] <GhostFreeman> now it crashes when I start it up
[05:03] <nydust> hohlraum, thats true
[05:03] <hohlraum> GhostFreeman: probably just your .mozilla/firefox/* files got corruptedsome how.
[05:04] <GhostFreeman> that means i would need to use Synaptic to reinstall
[05:04] <prego> GhostFreeman: have you installed flash plugin???
[05:04] <thoreauputic> GhostFreeman: no, just rename/delete the files in ~/.mozilla/firefox
[05:04] <GhostFreeman> yeah, I habe
[05:04] <GhostFreeman> have*
[05:04] <Florsch> thoreauputic: i now have a error while using apt-get update
[05:04] <thoreauputic> GhostFreeman: you should get a clean default firefox that way
[05:04] <prego> GhostFreeman: and you are using COmposite extension??? (shadows et al)
[05:05] <GhostFreeman> no
[05:05] <thoreauputic> Florsch: check your sources.list
[05:05] <prego> GhostFreeman: OK, FYI flash plugin crashes Mozilla when Composite extension is enabled (even if it is not being used)
[05:05] <thoreauputic> Florsch: unless it's an auth warning - you can ignore those
[05:06] <Florsch> i changed all warty to hoary, is there something else to do?
[05:06] <ArdieM> Elektrolyyttikon: than you have to write a script for ksnapshot or smth like that ...
[05:06] <GhostFreeman> I dont know what composite is
[05:06] <hohlraum> Florsch: pray to the upgrade gods.
[05:06] <xiaogil> I can't find the command to look for any number that begin with 1 and end with 3 with the search/replace tool of gvim
[05:06] <pitti_live> Hey
[05:06] <GhostFreeman> regardless, deleting the old userfiles fixed it
[05:06] <thoreauputic> Florsch: sudo apt-get update
[05:06] <Florsch> its german...i can't connect to some directories
[05:06] <pitti_live> This is Mr. Pitti speaking live from the PowerPC CD
[05:07] <pitti_live> Kamion, fabbione: ppc dvd/live works!!!!
[05:07] <GhostFreeman> Now how do I change the ball icon? I want the old Firefox logo instead
[05:07] <pitti_live> this thing really boots *happy happy joy joy*
[05:07] <hohlraum> GhostFreeman: yeah i hear you.. not sure what they are thinking with that icon.. it blows
[05:07] <thoreauputic> GhostFreeman: there's a trade mark issue with the firefox icon
[05:07] <xiaogil> It always says "pattern not found"
[05:07] <hohlraum> GhostFreeman: believe i heard a rumor that Ubuntu is coming out with its own theme soon.
[05:07] <GhostFreeman> oh dear
[05:07] <hohlraum> GhostFreeman: icon theme that is.
[05:08] <GhostFreeman> thats nice but I like the current FF logo more
[05:08] <GhostFreeman> who do I moan at for a fix?
[05:08] <thoreauputic> GhostFreeman: nothing the Ubuntu people can do about that, I'm afraid
[05:08] <GhostFreeman> :(
[05:09] <synic> GhostFreeman: you want me to send you the regular one?
[05:09] <thoreauputic> GhostFreeman: mozilla foundation trademark/branding
[05:09] <GhostFreeman> sure
[05:09] <hohlraum> GhostFreeman: i'm using one that isn't quite as nice. http://www.gnomelook.org/content/show.php?content=14560
[05:09] <synic> GhostFreeman: sec.
[05:09] <Rene_S> An Icon theme for Ubuntu would be nice
[05:09] <hohlraum> Ghostfreeman: they don't look as good at 32px
[05:10] <GhostFreeman> Mozilla Foundation is getting to be rather elitist, dont ya think
[05:11] <Florsch> when i start upgrade: 491 aktualised, 0 new installed, 0 deleted, 260 not aktualised, there has to be 286 MB downloaded! does this sound good?
[05:11] <Tomcat_> Florsch: How long not updated?
[05:11] <Shufla> hehe
[05:11] <nydust> I am running a sales office and we need a crm solution, is there any good crm for linux?
[05:11] <synic> GhostFreeman: http://synic.ath.cx/firefox
[05:11] <Florsch> the system is only runnig since 1 week
[05:12] <Derec> hi there :-)
[05:12] <Shufla> i've forgotten my meeting with friend (girl) hopefully she called me and said is cancelled. i can play with my sweet ubuntu :D
[05:12] <GhostFreeman> thanks
[05:12] <Florsch> but this should be the upgrade to hoary
[05:12] <thoreauputic> Florsch: actually for a dist upgrade from warty that's quite low...
[05:12] <calc> is there a way to force gnome menu to refresh itself without logging out?
[05:12] <prego> nydust: perhaps "facturalux".
[05:12] <thoreauputic> Florsch: make sure you are running ` sudo apt-get dist-upgrade `
[05:13] <Florsch> ah ok...do i also have to 'sudo apt-get dist-update' ???
[05:13] <thoreauputic> or "smart upgrade"
[05:13] <prego> calc: gamin should do that... AFAIK
[05:13] <calc> ah so gamin is sucking like usual then :\
[05:13] <prego> calc: or fam in case of warthy
[05:13] <calc> gamin never seems to work well for me
[05:13] <thoreauputic> Florsch: no, if you've done update just run the dist-upgrade
[05:14] <Florsch> ok thx a lot i will take a try
[05:14] <prego> calc: it does not work perfectly, sure
[05:14] <calc> it seems not to work more often for me than it does work
[05:14] <calc> eg 90% of the time i save stuff to the desktop it doesn't appear
[05:15] <prego> calc: I'm not terribly happy with it, either
[05:15] <Derec> Question: I want to totally reset my GNOME desktop env. I can delete my ~/.gnomes directory but I am not %100 sure which dirs to delete without braking stuff ... ?
[05:15] <Florsch> ok, now it is a lot more: 747 aktualised, 162 new, 15 deleted, 0 not aktualised. 560 mb has to be downloaded
[05:15] <hightide> does ubuntu supports D-Link USB device modem? bec. my modem really really sucks darm USB modem
[05:15] <thoreauputic> Florsch: that's more like it
[05:15] <prego> Derec: there are more directories involved, such .gconf AFAIK
[05:15] <thoreauputic> Florsch: I think that will be right
[05:16] <Florsch> ok thx a lot...then i will start it
[05:16] <prego> hightide: don't know, but you might give it a try with a live-CD...
[05:16] <Derec> prego: I know I did it once but I need to know which dirs de to delete
[05:17] <AcidWolf> still trying to get ASF movie files to play no luck :( but i got my windows box next to me so does anyone know of a good windows based up preferably something free to Convert my ASF's into something else
[05:17] <AcidWolf> oh and should i convert them in Mpegs or into DiVx
[05:17] <GhostFreeman> Anyways, I let my dad have my Ubuntu live CD, and now he wants me to install it
[05:17] <Derec> I don't remeber those dirs. : I feel silly now...
[05:17] <GhostFreeman> I think he likes it
[05:18] <thoreauputic> Derec: ~/.metacity probably as well
[05:19] <Derec> thoreauputic: ha thanks anyway I will wipe those dirs and see what happens!!! learning by try-erros :-)
[05:20] <Derec> hhhhmmm errors ...i mean
[05:20] <t3rror> can anyone direct me to a place to get free fonts?
[05:20] <prego> Derec: check also the contents of ~/.config
[05:20] <thoreauputic> Derec: pretty safe - they get regenerated
[05:20] <hawke_> Derec: removing .gnome2 and .gnome should get pretty much everything.
[05:20] <Derec> ciao, see you later :-)
[05:20] <t3rror> i remember a while back there was a python script that let you download a shit-ton of fonts from some place
[05:20] <Derec> yes I know it gets re-generated.. that what is very cool :-)
[05:21] <t3rror> the web interface made the process slow, but someone made a script to speed it up
[05:21] <thoreauputic> t3rror: apt-cache search fonts | grep ttf
[05:22] <thoreauputic> t3rror: that should keep you busy for a while ;)
[05:22] <Shufla> nice... k3b runs oobox... i'll try to burn some nice ;) DVDs :D
[05:22] <t3rror> thx thoreauputic
[05:23] <prego> t3rror: there is also the msttcorefonts package
[05:23] <archangel_X19> hey guys just looking to find out how to upgrade to the smp kernel in Hoary?
[05:23] <prego> t3rror: AFAIK does what you say, and installs "Times New Roman", "Arial" et al.
[05:23] <AcidWolf> still trying to get ASF movie files to play no luck :( but i got my windows box next to me so does anyone know of a good windows based up preferably something free to Convert my ASF's into something else
[05:24] <nydust> prego, its spanish, any english apps?
[05:24] <prego> AcidWolf: did you try vlc?
[05:24] <AcidWolf> yes
[05:24] <AcidWolf> vlc doesnt work
[05:24] <prego> AcidWolf: :-(
[05:24] <AcidWolf> its cause i dont have w32codecs installed
[05:24] <AcidWolf> and w32codecs arent available for PPC
[05:24] <AcidWolf> :)
[05:24] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: so install them
[05:24] <Shufla> hm... i'm more and more impressed with hoary...
[05:25] <prego> AcidWolf: Oh, I see.
[05:25] <thoreauputic> ah I see
[05:25] <AcidWolf> i even emailed Christian Marrillat to try get source
[05:25] <AcidWolf> he says they dont exist
[05:25] <AcidWolf> the code was extracted from RealPlayer and so on and so forth
[05:25] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: if you feel adventurous,, install mac-on-linux and use proprietary players in os-x on linux :)
[05:26] <prego> AcidWolf: Afaik w32codecs are Windows files actually, used thanks to Wine technology
[05:26] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: I do that here, and actually mostly use the mac version of vlc in mol
[05:26] <whiskey_2> AcidWolf, nobody messes with mpeg or divx anymore...they are all ripping to theora now
[05:26] <AcidWolf> well i dont even have my OS-X disks anymore
[05:26] <AcidWolf> my laptop bag got stolen
[05:26] <thoreauputic> ah
[05:26] <AcidWolf> and they were in there :(
[05:26] <whiskey_2> AcidWolf, and they have that Helix player or something
[05:27] <AcidWolf> well heres my problem
[05:27] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: find a friendly mac user with discs, I guess
[05:27] <prego> whiskey_2: really?
[05:27] <Xappe> they who? ;)
[05:27] <whiskey_2> prego, hey don't you watch what is going on
[05:27] <AcidWolf> cant play the ASF's i have a windows box i can convert on so i can keep them on my laptop
[05:27] <AcidWolf> so now i need to find a converter
[05:27] <prego> whiskey_2: not really. Is Theora being widely used??
[05:27] <AcidWolf> someone here mentioned one the other day to me
[05:27] <AcidWolf> but i cant remeber it
[05:27] <AcidWolf> something DUB
[05:27] <AcidWolf> im not sure
[05:28] <Xappe> virtual dub?
[05:28] <whiskey_2> prego, well just look around you
[05:28] <AcidWolf> good be virtual DUB
[05:28] <prego> whiskey_2: arround me... I only see divx avi and wmv :-((
[05:29] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: if you have a network, you could configure to play stuff on an i386 box using remote X ( a bit tricky perhaps)
[05:29] <AcidWolf> yes a bit tricky
[05:29] <AcidWolf> i cant even get my 2 machines to network
[05:29] <AcidWolf> :(
[05:29] <thoreauputic> hmm
[05:29] <AcidWolf> the windows box is way to stuborn
[05:29] <prego> thoreauputic: don't expect realtime performance, though
[05:29] <AcidWolf> so now these movies i have to move with a flash drive
[05:30] <AcidWolf> takes forever
[05:30] <Anon6622> hey all. one small question: ubuntu or kanotix for hd-install? and why?
[05:30] <thoreauputic> prego: no, it would be laggy for sure
[05:30] <Shufla> are there any tools to manipulate access control lists with gui? any enhacment to nautilus?
[05:30] <whiskey_2> prego, well you need a microscope or something to open your eyes
[05:30] <beowuff> flux, what do you think the answer will be if you ask that in #ubuntu?!?
[05:31] <GhostFreeman> I'm using the internet?
[05:31] <deuce868> he thinks it will be LFS
[05:31] <deuce868> lol
[05:31] <prego> thoreauputic: I've tested DVD (Xine/mplayer) through X11... it was really laggy; however the scaling was done at Xserver so it was same laggy at fullscreen than at normal view. I think there are specific choices to do that kind of remote-playback
[05:31] <flux^_^> i understand that, beowulff, but i just want to know the advantages of ubuntu over kanotix
[05:32] <flux^_^> it's not a very strange question in that manner
[05:32] <GhostFreeman> when I upgrade to Hoary
[05:32] <prego> whiskey_2: :-)
[05:32] <gjc> hello, I need help to generated an openssl certificate request without passphrase
[05:32] <flux^_^> i've asked the same at #kanotix
[05:32] <beowuff> flux, Ah, okay. Just needed some clarity to the question. What is Kanotix?
[05:32] <GhostFreeman> will I need to reinstall/update every X11 app on my system or is X.Org reversed engineered or something
[05:32] <deuce868> never used kanotix...advantages of Ubuntu is a great workstation OS that uses the same tech as debian
[05:32] <flux^_^> kanotix is a debian-live cd, which can be installed with no hassle.
[05:32] <deuce868> I like same experience with Ubuntu I take to my debian servers
[05:33] <thoreauputic> flux^_^: I haven't used Kanotix, but Ubuntu is easier to set up than Debian ( i have both)
[05:33] <gjc> I run ./CA.sh -newreq, but it always requests a PEM passphrase
[05:33] <GhostFreeman> Ubuntu is the most accessible Linux distro i've used
[05:33] <John__> I want to get a baboon and teach it to knife fight
[05:33] <John__> that'd be awesome
[05:33] <GhostFreeman> lol
[05:33] <gjc> obviously I don't want to type a passphrase at system startup to initiate the web server
[05:33] <John__> just have it attack people randomly
[05:33] <flux^_^> i've seen the installation screenshots of ubuntu. kanotix doesn't really have an installation.... it just runs.
[05:34] <thoreauputic> flux^_^: I've heard good things about kanotix- it's up to you really: if you like KDE there's kubuntu as well
[05:34] <jobezone> GhostFreeman, no, you have to reconfigure anything, it's just x.org
[05:34] <beowuff> flux, I've found that ubuntu 'just runs' for me as well. Easy install, apps I want to use by default, easy update. Perfect.
[05:34] <GhostFreeman> so I would need to reconfigure xine?
[05:35] <jobezone> GhostFreeman, no, you only need to reconfigure x.org
[05:35] <flux^_^> hmpf. this is why linux is so difficult. choices ;)
[05:35] <GhostFreeman> oh ok
[05:35] <GhostFreeman> I was about to say
[05:35] <flux^_^> hey, thanks y'all, i'll go on and read some more
[05:35] <John__> just imagine a baboon running up out of nowhere and knifing a guy in the stomach
[05:35] <John__> that'd be funny
[05:35] <GhostFreeman> the more I hear about Hoary the more I start to hate it
[05:35] <beowuff> I'm about to try setting up ubuntu as a server. Currently I've got it installed as a desktop and a laptop workstation.
[05:35] <John__> in a very disturbing gross kind of way
[05:35] <deuce868> flux, dual boot is your friend
[05:35] <jobezone> GhostFreeman, you can do that by running "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[05:35] <GhostFreeman> ok
[05:35] <flux^_^> i'm going to dualboot with win32. still need it for commercial progs
[05:36] <flux^_^> tripleboot :p
[05:36] <GhostFreeman> I still use Windows for gaming
[05:36] <John__> tripleboot... fuck man
[05:36] <flux^_^> yeah i'd rather not.
[05:36] <John__> absurdity
[05:36] <deuce868> I'm about to take down my windows machine, don't game enough and need another server :-)
[05:36] <John__> just find a computer on eBay
[05:36] <gjc> anyone? certificates without passphrase?
[05:36] <jobezone> GhostFreeman, you might not even need to reconfigure. It was working fine for me when I upgrade.
[05:36] <Pizbit> Heh, tripple boot, I've meet people booting 4 or 5:)
[05:36] <GhostFreeman> ok
[05:36] <thoreauputic> John__: not necessarily absurd
[05:36] <John__> I don't even do dualboot
[05:37] <GhostFreeman> My friend booted Debian, Win2K and BSD
[05:37] <John__> I'd rather have dedicated systems
[05:37] <John__> it's much nicer that way
[05:37] <thoreauputic> John__: some people do testing on a new distro/ distros
[05:37] <flux^_^> finally: ubuntu is upgradable like debian with dist_upgrade?
[05:37] <GhostFreeman> I boot Ubuntu i686, i386, and WinXP
[05:37] <AcidWolf> hmmmmmm ok Virutaldub doesnt work
[05:37] <deuce868> flux yep
[05:37] <flux^_^> thanks!
[05:37] <AcidWolf> :(
[05:37] <jobezone> Flik, yep
[05:37] <flux^_^> byeeeee
[05:37] <AcidWolf> this is b0rked
[05:37] <John__> thoreauputic: yeah, I know. I'm just saying
[05:38] <GhostFreeman> on my other system at work I have Gentoo i686 and Win2K
[05:38] <burgermann> Hello :)
[05:39] <jobezone> anyone here tried blogfish?
[05:39] <jobezone> an applet
[05:39] <GhostFreeman> I'm going to install Ubuntu on my old laptop because Windows ME is shit
[05:39] <burgermann> erhm, when I first installed KDE it asked me how I wanted it to act.. I could choose from Gnome style/layout, KDE, Windows and another one. I choose KDE but how do I undo it?
[05:39] <Shufla> Ubuntu's Humanity - Nothing Else Matters ;)
[05:39] <GhostFreeman> Ubuntu or DEATH
[05:39] <GhostFreeman> >:)
[05:39] <John__> lol
[05:39] <John__> CAKE OR DEATH?!
[05:40] <John__> sorry, made me think of that
[05:40] <Dr_Willis> burgermann,   i belive theres some 'pkg-config kde' or 'pkg-config kdm' command.
[05:40] <Dr_Willis> burgermann,  many packages got some sort of interactive script to config things.  but i never have figured out how to find what scripts are there to use. :P
[05:41] <thoreauputic> burgermann: there's a kde-startup wizard command, but I can't remember it, sorry
[05:41] <burgermann> Dr_Willis, hehe well I don't know anything about it so :S
[05:41] <burgermann> thoreauputic, ye, that's the one =)
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> kde has ots own first time config tool -  (i think i missread the question) :P i forget its name also.. like thoreauputic
[05:41] <Shufla> Ubuntu - One
[05:41] <thoreauputic> burgermann: maybe google ` kde start wizard `
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> its all setable in the theme/controls anyway :P
[05:42] <Enspyron> What makes ubuntu better than other linux distributions?
[05:42] <dialtone> great  work with bazaar-ng guys! :)
[05:42] <burgermann> I'll try #kubuntu
[05:42] <Enspyron> I wonder
[05:42] <John__> the calendar
[05:42] <GhostFreeman> Ubuntu is the Linux distro for people curious about trying out Linux
[05:42] <Xappe> Enspyron: the look, the feel, the easy configuration and the community
[05:42] <John__> I like the community myself
[05:43] <thoreauputic> Enspyron: good package management and policy, easy to use
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> Enspyron,  http://ubuntuguide.org/   For one.. :P it has well done 'getting started docs'
[05:43] <John__> I have yet to meet a single person that's a prick
[05:43] <John__> everyones very nice, none of that "omg, you don't know how to do that? HAHAHAH YOU SUCK!"
[05:43] <GhostFreeman> Ubuntu is the most accessible distro i've used. And that's saying something.
[05:43] <GhostFreeman> if you know what I mean by "accessible"
[05:44] <Markrian> John__, yup, I was just witness to terrible rudeness in #debian
[05:44] <Dr_Willis> John__,  ive seen many USERS in here asking questions in a 'pricklike' Maner. :P
[05:44] <dballester> hi to all
[05:44] <Enspyron> So would you choose ubuntu over other major distro's like fedora or suse?
[05:44] <dballester> from ubuntu newbie to unbuntu newbie : How can i know the packets installed in my ubuntu machine? Something like the rpm -qa in rpm package systems
[05:44] <thoreauputic> Dr_Willis: yes, we aren't immune, unfortunately
[05:44] <Dr_Willis> dballester,  i just use synaptic and check the info on the packages
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> :P
[05:45] <GhostFreeman> Enspyron: I would
[05:45] <burgermann> wee it's kpersonalizer =D
[05:45] <John__> Dr_Willis: I haven't witnessed it, but sure it's bound to happen, but it's not common enough for me to have seen it many times
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> i still need to hone my apt skills.
[05:45] <dballester> Dr_Willis, i need to put the output into a shell script variable
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> seems too often that 'support' in the linux channels has become "linux 101 hand holding personal tutorials"
[05:45] <thoreauputic> Enspyron: the community is a big plus
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> people are too used to NOT thinking.. thanks billG.
[05:46] <Markrian> Enspyron, I would too - but Novell Linux Desktop, or SuSE 10, are going to seriously rock
[05:46] <GhostFreeman> SuSE is too corporate
[05:46] <GhostFreeman> ick
[05:46] <GhostFreeman> Go back to your roots, Linux.
[05:46] <John__> Dr_Willis: true enough, be vague in your answers but not too vague to where they can't do anything
[05:46] <Markrian> GhostFreeman, er... :p it's still linux :p
[05:46] <thoreauputic> Dr_Willis: we'll see more of that - lots of win converts are trying ubuntu
[05:46] <John__> I'm still pretty shit though
[05:46] <beowuff> I'm using Suse Linux Enterprise Edition 9 right now.
[05:46] <John__> so I'm not a very good source for answers
[05:46] <beowuff> The problem is they are becoming the Microsoft of Linux.
[05:47] <Markrian> beowuff, I don't know about that
[05:47] <Shufla> beowuff: why?
[05:47] <beowuff> They want you to use thier GUI to do all the administration. But none of it works. At least with Suse you have the ability to go CLI and fix things. IF you can figure out where they put stuff.
[05:47] <Markrian> Novell are driving a lot of the most interesting projects in linux at the moment
[05:47] <Dr_Aevil> Dr_Willis: I appreciate what you're saying, but I prefer the attitude I've seen in the ubuntu channels a lot to the one I see in the debian channels.  People need to learn that if they haven't got anything nice to say they should just say nothing at all.  I agree with John__ in that sense.
[05:47] <Enspyron> Ok, so I want to switch to ubuntu, but there is some stuff on my current windows partition. If I convert it to FAT32, would it be easily accesable? (I heard it is possible to use FAT32 partitions in linux somehow?)
[05:48] <Markrian> Like Beagle, Xgl, Evolution etc etc
[05:48] <Shufla> beowuff: they are also pushing linux into enterprise. that's nice. no more talks with boss about `is it reliable'?
[05:48] <Markrian> Enspyron, correct - but you can access NTFS partitions as read-only
[05:48] <Markrian> without problems
[05:48] <Shufla> Enspyron: you can use read/write NTFS tricky Wine driver...
[05:48] <GhostFreeman> I rewrote my drive as FAT32
[05:48] <Dr_Willis> Dr_Aevil,  Yep. ya got that right.
[05:48] <Markrian> Shufla, I wouldn't ;o
[05:48] <John__> the problem is after a while people get this elitist attitude because they use linux and then you get people just being pricks acting like they're better than everyone, even other linux users. And they forget they were once new to this stuff.
[05:49] <Shufla> Enspyron: or use read-only from linux and read-only driver from windows
[05:49] <xiaogil> how to find a string containing \[1-99] \* where \* excludes a numbers ?
[05:49] <GhostFreeman> John__: It all goes back to the same apathy Linux noobs had for Microsoft
[05:49] <xiaogil> ?
[05:49] <beowuff> Shufla, Yes, it's nice to see more linux being used. I just wish that if they are going to release something for corps, and it has a gui that your supposed to use. Make it work...
[05:49] <John__> yeah
[05:50] <thoreauputic> John__: that's where the Ubuntu Code of Conduct comes in - to be fair, it's easy enough to get frustrated if you spend any amount of time trying to help new users
[05:50] <Shufla> beowuff: there's long way. linux have more choices in gui, which makes it inconsistent.
[05:50] <matthijs_> Where can I define the services to start at boot time?
[05:50] <beowuff> Shufla, otherwise, why bother with the gui?
[05:50] <Enspyron> thanks for answering my questions... I will start using ubuntu soon...
[05:50] <John__> true enough
[05:50] <Shufla> beowuff: hm. you are still able to do anything with vim+cvs, gui is just for brave testers.
[05:50] <John__> but if you find yourself getting so upset you feel the need to be liek "FUCK OFF NEWB!" you should probably take a break
[05:51] <John__> like*
[05:51] <thoreauputic> John__: indeed, yes :)
[05:51] <Markrian> John__, what most newbies don't understand is that it's really in their best interest to read and find things out for themselves - the Ubuntu Wiki is just brimming with EXCELLENT information
[05:51] <GhostFreeman> still, walk in an IRC channel and say you use KDE and all the sudden "FUCK OFF BACKSTABBER" is echoed 20,000 times in three seconds
[05:51] <Dr_Willis> John__,  ive seen people come into help rooms "DEMANDING" to be told their own phone # - since the phone company changed it and they couldent figure it out..
[05:51] <Dr_Willis> :P
[05:51] <John__> I know that, but some people just can't comprehend at the same levels as others
[05:51] <beowuff> Shufla, Ah, but SLES9 is suppose to be designed to work "out of the box" with Yast. Every try their implimentation of LDAP? If something doesn't work right, first thing I do is go CLI and try to rip out LDAP. Usually fixes the problem.
[05:51] <John__> lol
[05:52] <Shufla> hm... if you're newbie and you're upset of this, just wait. ppl like here (and me ;)) are going to make linux more 'normal-people-friendly' but still sexy, reliable, fast (*)
[05:52] <Dr_Willis> Some people dont want to put forth any effort to learn or think. "MS-Lemming-Zombie" comes to mind.
[05:52] <Shufla> (*) fast - as soon as xorg will be faster :>
[05:52] <John__> yeah
[05:52] <John__> but you just have to be patient
[05:52] <John__> people learn
[05:52] <John__> or they die
[05:52] <jobezone> "configure-debian" in Universe is an app which allows you to easily choose in a menu the packages you want to reconfigure (as long as they have debconf questions).
[05:52] <Pizbit> Dr_Willis: Hehe, I havn't heard that term before.
[05:52] <John__> so either way it works out
[05:52] <thoreauputic> Markrian: as has been mentioned, they are often used to windows and not having to do their own research: so thay expect the community to give them all the answers
[05:52] <Dr_Willis> Pizbit,  I made it myself. :P
[05:52] <Markrian> Hmm
[05:52] <GhostFreeman> or Google
[05:52] <GhostFreeman> or Wikipedia
[05:52] <Pizbit> Dr_Willis: It's a keeper:)
[05:53] <Markrian> Well, imo, computers aren't nearly useful enough for the general public :p
[05:53] <Shufla> beowuff: hm. i'm using suse. and SuseConfigs autoconfiguration often gives me clues about complicated things like LDAP and so.
[05:53] <Markrian> They cause so many more problems than they solve
[05:53] <John__> I think it's the general public isn't motivated enough to use computers properly
[05:53] <thoreauputic> Markrian: A lot of people would be better off with a notebook and pencil ;-)
[05:53] <John__> you have all these people with amazing systems, only using them to check email
[05:53] <John__> makes poor me sad
[05:53] <GhostFreeman> No, the general public can use computers
[05:54] <John__> efficiently?
[05:54] <Dr_Willis> Too often i find that "User Friendlyness"  turns into "Total lockout of any options" in  things these days. :()
[05:54] <John__> hardly
[05:54] <John__> :p
[05:54] <GhostFreeman> its just that when it gets covered in 20 layers of complicated bullshit they slack off
[05:54] <roo_> John--, why, what would u do if you had an "amazing computer"?
[05:54] <Shufla> imho computers, as complete systems are stalled in evolution. there're just more and more colorfull.
[05:54] <John__> game
[05:54] <Dr_Willis> One could take say a PalmPilot - and make a Huge one - that  has a nice monitor and network card/modem - and do much of what people do.
[05:54] <John__> my computers are too shit to game and do 3d modeling
[05:54] <John__> :(
[05:54] <Dr_Willis> actually i think i saw that done..
[05:54] <Markrian> thoreauputic, well, I have a Palm Tungsten T3 and frankly I'd be much better off with a pencil and paper :p
[05:55] <Markrian> I'm looking to sell it actually
[05:55] <thoreauputic> roo_: computers can do amazing stuf with graphics and sound :)
[05:55] <roo_> John--, wow, game.. so when you say general public arent motivated to use them properly, u mean they dont want to game.. ;)
[05:55] <Dr_Willis> I like the -->   http://www.pepper.com/products/specifications.html
[05:55] <GhostFreeman> Counter Strike is serious business
[05:55] <Dr_Willis> its a neat little  specilized pc.  that would do 90% of what my wife needs.
[05:55] <roo_> thoreauputic, yes, they can also be used as tools. checking email is a job for many people, a computer is a good tool to get the job done.
[05:56] <John__> no, I'm just saying I'd like to game, but mostly 3d modelling
[05:56] <John__> I'm saying I can't even game
[05:56] <John__> let alone 3d model becuase I can't afford a proper machine to do so
[05:56] <GhostFreeman> I have a Dream-level Alienware system, and at work I have a mid-level Dell with a 9700 Pro
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> Heh - for way TOO many people 'gameing' is the 'total use' of pc's
[05:56] <Markrian> imo until computers handle speech recognition with near human accuracy, and can interpret questions and reply with a useful answer, they won't be useful for the general public
[05:56] <roo_> John--, have you tried blender? whats the specs of ur machine?
[05:56] <John__> I'm interested in creating games
[05:56] <tomek> Hallo - I have just installed Ubuntu (for the first time, erlier gentoo, debian, ...) - and I have one basic questions - What happend with the ROOT ? (no question during instalation) ...
[05:56] <GhostFreeman> Get Blender and fuck with the game engine
[05:56] <roo_> Dr_Willis, sad enough, you're right.
[05:57] <GhostFreeman> best way to get the aesthetics of game design
[05:57] <Markrian> tomek, root account has been disabled for security reasons
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> tomek,  its a security issue. use the 'sudo' command - root's login ability has been disabled.
[05:57] <Markrian> you use sudo for everything
[05:57] <GhostFreeman> Dr_Willis: That or overclocking
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> your root password is the same as the initial users password.
[05:57] <roo_> John--, ive run blender on a PII with 96Mb ram.
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> GhostFreeman,  you dont hear much about overclocking these days .
[05:57] <John__> yeah
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> GhostFreeman,  heh - ive been going the "QUiet Pc" design on my last 2 machines
[05:58] <roo_> John--, what are the specs of your puter?
[05:58] <dcraven> I'm thinking the home page for Firefox maybe should default to the Ubuntu FAQ.
[05:58] <tomek> Dr_Willis: well it is not, but hopefully sudo will work ...
[05:58] <GhostFreeman> still, the forums I post on, its a competition for that extra mark in 3DMark
[05:58] <GhostFreeman> and it drives me mad
[05:58] <roo_> GhostFreeman, time to find a new forum? :)
[05:58] <GhostFreeman> lol
[05:58] <Pizbit> GhostFreeman: It's simple
[05:58] <GhostFreeman> nah, its interesting. I've been able to up my system speed with use of clever cooling
[05:58] <John__> gig of ram, gforce2 integrated, AthlonXP 2000+
[05:58] <Shufla> hm... using DVD-burner w/o DMA is quite...ssss...llll...oooo...www...
[05:59] <John__> but my system gets bogged down when I try to run the animations
[05:59] <matthijs_> Where can I define the services to start at boot time? I need to run portmap at the default runlevel. I know the gentoo/slackware way, but not debian :)
[05:59] <tomek> Any way - first impression is really astonishing ... I must congratulate you gentelmen (and Ladies) !
[05:59] <John__> usually crashes
[05:59] <Pizbit> GhostFreeman: Spend a good $50-200k on a super awesome computer and smash everyone elses scores
[05:59] <John__> :(
[05:59] <GhostFreeman> lol
[05:59] <Frost^> is there a way to view a list of all the packages in ubuntu's repositories?
[05:59] <jobezone> if you install "fortunes-debian-hint" from universe, you can then run "fortunes debian-hint" and have hints on how to administrate debian. Using in conjunction with wanda the applet, it's just a click away.
[05:59] <John__> which pisses me off
[05:59] <Pizbit> GhostFreeman: Then say, right, can we ignore the scores?:) Most would agree
[05:59] <roo_> John--, ?!?!? WHAT?! you're crazy and insane. you dont design games because YOU have no motivation.
[05:59] <GhostFreeman> I have Dream-level Alienware, which i've added better fans and cooling on
[05:59] <roo_> John--, most 3D apps will run fine with that computer, especially beginner's tutorials.
[05:59] <Markrian> Frost^, what's wrong with Synaptic or aptitude?
[06:00] <John__> yeah I know
[06:00] <John__> but when doing the animations my system crashes
[06:00] <Dr_Aevil> Shufla: you're making that obeservation or you want to know how to turn it on? :) hdparm -d1 /dev/path if the latter
[06:00] <GhostFreeman> 2.8GHz P4EE, 1GB DDR, 9800XT (which i'm upgrading to X800 after the price is comfortable).
[06:00] <roo_> John--, crashes? in what OS?
[06:00] <Frost^> Markrian, I was looking for a place outside the distro itself :)
[06:00] <John__> XP
[06:00] <GhostFreeman> I
[06:00] <roo_> John--, ...  thats ur answer. have you tried Blender?
[06:00] <Markrian> Frost^, google ubuntu packages - there's a site which does it
[06:00] <John__> nope
[06:00] <Florsch> i try to change the owner of a folder with  $ sudo chown -R my_username /where my folder is
[06:00] <roo_> John--, do you use Ubuntu?
[06:01] <John__> yes, but not on this machine
[06:01] <whiskey_2> you know i don't know how these Linux people are doing all this...I heard they already ripped a copy of the new star wars film and it is not even in the theatres yet.
[06:01] <Shufla> Dr_Aevil: after hdparm -d1 /dev/hdd
[06:01] <Shufla> hdd: DMA disabled
[06:01] <Shufla> hdd: ATAPI reset complete
[06:01] <Frost^> thanks Markrian
[06:01] <Dr_Aevil> Frost^: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[06:01] <Florsch> but it isnit working
[06:01] <Frost^> oh, thanks :)
[06:01] <GhostFreeman> I've been looking for that site, thanks
[06:01] <Markrian> Dr_Aevil, whoa, when did that happen?
[06:02] <Dr_Aevil> Markrian: that particular URL, maybe today :)
[06:02] <Markrian> No wonder I hadn't heard of it :)
[06:02] <roo_> John--, maybe you should spend more time setting up Ubuntu/Gnu/Linux on your machine than bitching about how "shit" your computer is.
[06:02] <Markrian> well, know of it
[06:02] <Dr_Aevil> Markrian: it's been runing unofficially for a while though
[06:02] <roo_> John--, then you could do the things you say u wana do.
[06:02] <Markrian> hmm
[06:02] <beowuff> Shufla, Hmmm... Thanks for the pointer to suseconfig. I'll have to check that out some more. Might help ease the pain of administration :-)
[06:02] <John__> perhaps
[06:02] <Shufla> Dr_Aevil: http://bajtek.ankom.net/~shufla/hdd_dma - these are problems with DMA :(
[06:03] <yo2lux> hi all
[06:03] <Shufla> beowuff: n/p. BTW I think that with such system as SLES you are obliged to read docs carefully...
[06:04] <roo_> Shufla, that hdparm error looks nasty. have you got your IDE kernel module loaded?
[06:04] <jacquesmerde> i thought hoary final was coming out today...
[06:04] <beowuff> Shufla, Yeah. I haven't run suseconfig on this box yet, as I'm a bit timmid. But I'm putting together a test box right now that I can break.
[06:04] <Shufla> roo_: my hda is working well with DMA.
[06:04] <yo2lux> i see on www.distrowatch.com ubuntu linux is the best now . Is true ?
[06:04] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: 8th April - today here but not everywhere yet
[06:04] <roo_> Shufla, also, what kernel are you running? [uname -a] 
[06:04] <Shufla> beowuff: that's good :D 'test box to break'
[06:04] <Dr_Willis> yo2lux,  its da sexiest. :P
[06:04] <yo2lux> :))
[06:04] <roo_> yo2lux, its ranked first. First!=Best :)
[06:04] <Dr_Aevil> Shufla: hmph, odd. I've got to go out now - it might be a driver issue, or something odd about the system - a conflict of some sort.
[06:04] <Shufla> roo_: 2.6.10-5-386 hoary
[06:05] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, its the 8th here too
[06:05] <yo2lux> roo_ first is because many users use the distro ?
[06:05] <Shufla> Dr_Aevil: ok. just reporting.
[06:05] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: we're in the same country, mate
[06:05] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, its been the 8th here for over two hours...and i want my full version NOW!
[06:05] <cikilin> do have ubuntu bittorrent or something like this?
[06:05] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu is getting so popular.. i may need to move onto another more obscure disrto - so i can stay more 'leet' then the others. :P
[06:05] <cikilin> where is it pls
[06:05] <GhostFreeman> <|:)
[06:05] <Shufla> roo_: i'll switch to -k7, cos of my AMD proc.
[06:05] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: well, too bad then ;)
[06:05] <Markrian> Dr_Willis, Kubuntu! :)
[06:05] <Dr_Willis> cikilin,  thers plenty of mirror sites out. :P
[06:05] <roo_> yo2lux, HPD = hits per day.
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> Markrian,  been there done that.. :P
[06:06] <Markrian> heh
[06:06] <roo_> Shufla, which proc is it?
[06:06] <cikilin> because i downlod some and i cant listen
[06:06] <GhostFreeman> oh shit
[06:06] <Shufla> roo_: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+
[06:06] <GhostFreeman> i'm getting all types of hell because I once distributed one of my programs under the MIT License
[06:07] <Shufla> roo_: that's funny, but with hoary i've got many irritating issues, which didn't happened with warty.
[06:07] <thoreauputic> Dr_Willis: LFS for ultimate |337ne55 ;-)
[06:07] <roo_> Shufla, 386 shud be fine for ur proc.
[06:07] <beowuff> Shufla, I've got an Athlon XP 2000+ at home running the k7 kernel. Haven't seen any errors. I'll check for this one at lunch.
[06:07] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, thanks for the emotional support
[06:07] <Dr_Willis> thoreauputic,  last i used LFS - it was more  "Cut and paste and watch" linux.. :P
[06:07] <whiskey_2> who in the world figured out all those IP numbers in blocklist.org
[06:07] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, where in oz are you?
[06:07] <roo_> Dr_Willis, heh, i agree.
[06:08] <Shufla> roo_: i know. but i'm amd lover, and i've got to prove all this intel-users that (anything ;) )
[06:08] <roo_> Dr_Willis, i setup LFS, thought it was a bit overrated.
[06:08] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: oh, somewhere south of Sydney :)
[06:08] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, i'm south of sydney too!
[06:09] <Shufla> brb, nv binary...
[06:11] <whiskey_2> does anybody know who sat down and calculated all those ip numbers at blocklist.org
[06:12] <whiskey_2> how did they find out that information
[06:12] <eric__> can I switch from warty to hoary by editing /etc/apt/sources.list, s/warty/hoary/g, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade like in debian or is there another process for ubuntu ??
[06:12] <Pizbit> eric__: You can
[06:12] <lunitik> eric__: uhh... yeah
[06:13] <eric__> Pizbit : is it the recommanded approach ?
[06:13] <Florsch> you can eric__
[06:13] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, ooh, ubuntulinux.org has taken off the release candidate ad from its front page...i'm getting excited...
[06:13] <thoreauputic> whiskey_2: from men in black coats and sunglasses *g*
[06:13] <eric__> is it the recommanded approach ?
[06:13] <tomek> ok - another basic question - How to add more repositories - it looks like there are only "Security Updates" for 5.04 aviable - How to get to Debian repositories ?
[06:13] <Florsch> i don't know i do it like that
[06:13] <Pizbit> eric__: One of them, yeah
[06:13] <whiskey_2> thoreauputic, that reminds me of an old song called "I wear my sunglasses at night"
[06:13] <eric__> Pizbit : ok; what are the others ??
[06:14] <Pizbit> eric__: The other is you do the exact same thing, but using synaptic:)
[06:14] <eric__> and is there still major nfs bug is hoary ?
[06:14] <thoreauputic> tomek: from hoary release, new stuff will be in breezy
[06:14] <eric__> oups is there still major nfs bugs in hoary ??
[06:14] <thoreauputic> tomek: using debian repos isn't recommended
[06:15] <tanek> possible tho
[06:15] <eric__> tomek : remember even if ubuntu is based on debian, it's not the same distro
[06:15] <whiskey_2> thoreauputic, hey you ever heard that son
[06:15] <eric__> tanek if you really want to then just add a deb line to /etc/apt-/sources.list
[06:15] <whiskey_2> song
[06:15] <whiskey_2> why would anybody wear their sunglasses at night
[06:15] <sig> tanek: and don't come back here crying cause your system is broke
[06:15] <tanek> i've got a warty with both hoary, sarge and sid packages
[06:15] <thoreauputic> tanek: sure, if you can fix your sytem when it breaks ;)
[06:16] <tanek> nothing has broken yet :P
[06:16] <sig> tanek: "yet"
[06:16] <sig> enjoy
[06:16] <tanek> but i've just got apps etc from other distros
[06:16] <tomek> thoreaputic: I have installed 5.04 - it all looks very nice - but now I would like to install something usefull - Should I install 4.10 release to get to wider repository database, or I can stay with this one and simply add more sources to the package manager ... ?
[06:16] <thoreauputic> tanek: well, whatever works for you :)
[06:16] <tanek> very few libs and stuff
[06:16] <tanek> had to get a few libs to get mplayer working
[06:17] <tanek> all that's not working properly is synaptic :P
[06:17] <tanek> but who cares
[06:17] <ice_1963> whiskey_2 go home =)
[06:17] <andreas_> I need to divide my 120GB Ubuntu drive to free some space for two seperate backup partitions. How do i go about doing this?
[06:17] <jacquesmerde> ubuntu final should be ready to dload as soon as everyone wakes up on the 8'th. like presents under a christmas tree
[06:17] <whiskey_2> ice_1963, well first i have to figure out where that is.
[06:18] <tanek> jacquesmerde: GMT +/- ?
[06:18] <tanek> I'm in Sweden, GMT +1 I think :P
[06:18] <andreas_> jac: Could just wait for the cd and the upgrade until then
[06:18] <eric__> is hoary stable now ?
[06:18] <jacquesmerde> tanek, its the 8th already here
[06:18] <tanek> woah, its 18:20 on the 7th here
[06:18] <tanek> :P
[06:18] <vrln> anyone know if the ubuntu liveCD (hoary) has memtest86?
[06:19] <andreas_> eric: Has been for a long time but tomorrow it is officially
[06:19] <p88> hi all I have a question on key generation:
[06:19] <jacquesmerde> eric__, TODAY it is officially...
[06:19] <p88> if the generation of an 8192 bits long key takes 10 minutes.. how long does the generation of a 16384 bits long key take? is there a way to calculate that?
[06:19] <eric__> ok cool thx
[06:19] <thoreauputic> Fri Apr  8 02:19:28 EST 2005
[06:19] <jobezone> tomek, Universe contains hundreds of packages synched from debian unstable.
[06:19] <tanek> p88 10^2 min probably?
[06:20] <Shufla> ooo... babylon zoo :>
[06:20] <jacquesmerde> whats with this universe and multiverse sync'ing? why bother? why not just get off straight from debian's teet?
[06:20] <p88> I thought about that but I was thinking of 7 bits vs 8 bits which is the double
[06:20] <ali_> Hello
[06:20] <p88> tanek: maybe 10^2^2... 8 times
[06:20] <tanek> p88: ah, yeah.. maybe
[06:20] <andreas_> How do i divide a working hoary partition into 3?
[06:20] <tanek> try :P
[06:20] <Shufla> how nice... cursor with shadow :>
[06:21] <tanek> well, so i think ill get hoary now then :P
[06:21] <tomek> jobezone: well - SuSe guys have their Packman, there must be something "typical" for Ubuntu, where you can get mplayer, lyx, latex and so ...
[06:21] <ali_> Talking about Hoary... Is it sure it will be out tomorrow ?
[06:21] <jobezone> jacquesmerde, you can suck off straight debian's teet, and after a while you'll mostly have a debian system.
[06:21] <tanek> as its 8th already for some people
[06:21] <jobezone> tomek, right, Universe
[06:21] <Florsch> ali it is out
[06:21] <jobezone> tomek, open Synaptic, Configurations, Repositories
[06:21] <ali_> It should had been released yesterday but they pushed the release date from the 6th to the 8th
[06:22] <jacquesmerde> jobezone, i mean when getting packages from uni or multiverse...not the other repos...
[06:22] <ali_> Florsch > The __Final__ release ?
[06:22] <eric__> multiverse ??
[06:22] <thoreauputic> tomek: multiverse for "non-free"
[06:22] <eric__> ok ok
[06:22] <Florsch> as i understand yes...because it is the 8th for some people
[06:22] <ali_> the 8th for _some_ people ? I don't understand
[06:23] <Florsch> time differences
[06:23] <andreas_> ali: Timeline, timeline
[06:23] <eric__> does hoary contain zsnes or snes9x or something like that ?
[06:23] <thoreauputic> Fri Apr  8 02:23:19 EST 2005
[06:23] <andreas_> thore: Please help me
[06:23] <thoreauputic> ali_: ^^^
[06:23] <ali_> Hi thoreauputic
[06:23] <ali_> oh, looooooool :)
[06:23] <thoreauputic> hi ali
[06:23] <andreas_> I need to divide a Hoary partition into 3 partitions but don`t know how
[06:23] <Enspyron> I just tried burning the ubuntu ISO twice with nero. It failed at both... Why?
[06:24] <ali_> Ok I'm on GMT (Morocco), that's why I didn't really understand
[06:24] <Enspyron> I can extract the ISO file
[06:24] <ali_> A lil' question for people who installed the final Hoary : did they finally add this user-friendly graphic installer ?
[06:24] <Enspyron> So why can't I just burn it with nero
[06:24] <thoreauputic> Enspyron: you burn it as an image
[06:24] <Enspyron> yeah I know
[06:25] <jobezone> tomek, /tomek did you got it, how to add the universe and multiverse repositories in synaptic?
[06:25] <thoreauputic> Enspyron: else you get an unbootable file
[06:25] <Enspyron> damn
[06:25] <andreas_> jobe: sources.list
[06:25] <Enspyron> I'll try downloading the iso again... maybe its corrupted or something
[06:25] <thoreauputic> Enspyron: check the md5sum
[06:25] <tritium> ali_, no
[06:26] <Enspyron> md5sum?
[06:26] <ali_> tritium> I think they said they would add it...
[06:26] <ali_> thoreauputic> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
[06:26] <jobezone> tomek, /tomek Try installing ubuntu-quickguide from synaptic, and read it from the Gnome Help browser
[06:26] <tritium> ali_, no, there were not plans to do so.
[06:26] <thoreauputic> Enspyron: supplied on the download site
[06:26] <ali_> I don't see any Final version there, just the release candidate
[06:26] <tomek> jobezone: not really - I am not used to GUI tools ...
[06:26] <ali_> tritium> Oh, I'm sure I've read so...
[06:27] <tritium> ali_, not for Hoary, no
[06:27] <ali_> ok.. for the next version after Hoary ?
[06:27] <tomek> jobezone: and this "universe" sounded to me like a joke at first (it isn't - is it ?) ....
[06:27] <beowuff> All I'm seeing on the mirrors is for the rc... Are you sure the final has been released?
[06:27] <Enspyron> Oh, I can verify whether the file is corrupt or not with the md5sum?
[06:27] <ali_> yes, I have the same thing than you beowuff
[06:28] <thoreauputic> tomek: universe= "Free" packages not supported by Ubuntu, but fine "multiverse"= "non-free" packages
[06:28] <thoreauputic> Enspyron: correct
[06:29] <tomek> thoreauputic: yeap - nen distro - new nomenclature ... :)
[06:29] <thoreauputic> tomek: yeah :)
[06:29] <jobezone> tomek:I don't know how advanced are you in using linux, but if you're just starting, you should probably install ubuntu-quickguide and give it a read.
[06:30] <Enspyron> How do I use the md5sum?
[06:30] <sterwill> I upgraded one of my servers to Hoary RC yesterday, and I think there's a critical bug in the snmpd package.  Is it too late to be fixed for release?
[06:30] <archangel_X19> what is the absolute bleeding edge kernel out now for p4?
[06:30] <archangel_X19> linux-2.6.8.1-4-386?
[06:30] <jacquesmerde> ask bill gates?
[06:30] <thoreauputic> Enspyron: if you are in windows, google for an md5sum checker
[06:31] <Enspyron> ok ty
[06:31] <tomek> jobezone: I've been using linux exlusively for more than 5 years now - but this Ubuntu has simply suprised me ... I just need some time to recover :)
[06:31] <ali_> thoreauputic> I ask again, I don't find this final release on the official ubuntu site... :)
[06:31] <thoreauputic> archangel_X19: no, 2.6.11 at least is available
[06:31] <tritium> archangel_X19, no, 2.6.11 (but it's not supported - no linux-restricted-modules)
[06:31] <beowuff> Wow... K3B has a built in MD5 checker...
[06:31] <thoreauputic> ali_: because it isn't there, I guess?
[06:32] <archangel_X19> yea but I really like unsupported stuff
[06:32] <archangel_X19> sense of danger
[06:32] <tritium> ali_, not until tomorrow
[06:32] <thoreauputic> ali_: i assume UTC is the date change
[06:32] <archangel_X19> how do I install apt-get install.......
[06:32] <archangel_X19> whats the command
[06:32] <ali_> archangel_X19> you don't need to install it, it is already done
[06:32] <jobezone> tomek: so you're more into linux than I am, I've been using it non-exclusively
[06:32] <sterwill> Is there a better place to ask about my snmpd package bug?
[06:32] <beowuff> So, since I'm UTC -8, that means at... 4pm?
[06:32] <ali_> tritium> that's what I told thoreauputic, but he says it is already released...
[06:33] <thoreauputic> ali_: I said no such thing
[06:33] <jobezone> archangel_X19, "  sudo apt-get install  "
[06:33] <ali_> I don't think the final release depends of our local time, it depends of the time where the developpers depose it !
[06:33] <archangel_X19> ali_, is it my default?
[06:33] <tritium> ali_, not for about 16 hours
[06:34] <ali_> tanek as its 8th already for some people
[06:34] <ali_> jobezone tomek, right, Universe
[06:34] <ali_> I don't understand...
[06:34] <jacquesmerde> how long will it take all the ibiblo mirrors to start hosting the new ubuntu once the devs release it?
[06:34] <apokryphos> Someone mentioned around morning time for UK, for the time of release
[06:34] <ali_> archangel_X19> yes, apt-get is installed by default with your Ubuntu
[06:34] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: ibiblio mirrors within hours
[06:34] <apokryphos> Morning GMT
[06:34] <archangel_X19> does it have an smp version?
[06:34] <ali_> To use it, type "sudo apt-get install <your_application>" in the Terminal Shell
[06:34] <thoreauputic> ali_ , I merely said it's the 8th here: i didn't say it was released yet
[06:34] <RocDoc> using Hoary: want to setup kiosk computer. How to stop Ubuntu from seeing rest of network?
[06:34] <ali_> ok, sorry
[06:35] <ali_> and it will be released in how much hours ?
[06:35] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, wait,  stupid question. its more of an issue of how often my stupid local ibiblio mirror decides to sync
[06:35] <apokryphos> ali_: I just said: someone mentioned morning GMT time as a rough estimate
[06:35] <thoreauputic> see you all later - happy d/l ing :)
[06:36] <tomek> jobezone: non / non-non, meaby it sounded to strick - I didn't mean to make a boasting-like impression. Any way, I'll try now to connect myself to this Universe ...
[06:36] <ali_> bye thoreauputic
[06:36] <jacquesmerde> if i have to use bittorrent...where do i get the .torrent?
[06:36] <Myrtti> is someone else having problems with jpg-saving
[06:36] <ali_> apokryphos> and I just ask for the time it will be released.
[06:36] <Myrtti> with gimp or other programs?
[06:37] <libben> jacquesmerde, use google for that
[06:37] <archangel_X19> ali_, how do I install the smp version of 2.6-11?
[06:37] <astro76> jacquesmerde: on the mirrors right along side the ISOs
[06:37] <ali_> And I wasn't talking to you, apokryphos, but to thoreauputic
[06:37] <libben> sorry my fault =) taught u ment warez =)
[06:37] <apokryphos> ali_: and I just said, there's only a rough estimate at this time
[06:37] <libben> not legal torrent for ubuntu =)
[06:37] <jacquesmerde> astro76, sorry! forgot to scroll down!
[06:37] <jobezone> Tomcat_, it didn't sound that at all.. Good luck :) I've read somewhere that Debian is the distribution with the most number of packages in it's archives, and ubuntu inherits them all, so you'll get a big selection of stuff
[06:38] <ali_> apokryphos> so there is an estimation of this time... and I would like to no it
[06:38] <apokryphos> ali_: how many times shall I say it? :) Morning GMT
[06:38] <jobezone> what's is the estimation in GMT?
[06:38] <jacquesmerde> jobezone, in related news, ubuntu is the distribution with the most packages in its archives which will screw it up
[06:39] <jobezone> jacquesmerde, now I get your nickname
[06:39] <Anubis> items I download to my desktop are not appearing
[06:39] <ali_> archangel_X19> try apt-cache search 2.6-11 and download the package u need
[06:39] <Anubis> even afer I ctrl R
[06:39] <Anubis> right now I'm in xfce
[06:39] <ali_> ok, thanks then apokryphos :)
[06:39] <jobezone> Morning GMT? Of what day, April 08?
[06:39] <beowuff> Anubis, xfce doesn't have icons on the desktop.
[06:39] <Anubis> lol
[06:39] <Anubis> thx
[06:39] <Garathor> Hi, i just installed Ubuntu (Hoary RC) on my notebook. I am wondering, is there any repository with Adobe Reader 7?
[06:40] <ali_> I didn't read it, there's too fast chatting for my little eyes, so I can't read some sentences
[06:40] <beowuff> Anubis, also, in gnome there was an old bug with the same problem. Downloaded items not appearing. Should have been fixed in an update.
[06:40] <lunitik> beowuff, Anubis: you can use rox to add icons to your xfce desktop...
[06:40] <jobezone> It's about GMT 17:40 april the 7th, so it will take a while still
[06:40] <jacquesmerde> what are these .template files on the mirrors?
[06:40] <Anubis> lunitik, thx
[06:41] <jobezone> jacquesmerde, I never had a problem installing packages from universe. You shouldn't probably go upgrading the system with universe activated.
[06:41] <lunitik> Anubis, beowuff: apt-cache show rox-filer
[06:41] <lunitik> It's not in warty though... and is in universe
[06:41] <archangel_X19> ali_, I download headers right?
[06:41] <Anubis> beowuff, gnome seems broken on my box after the latest updates, fonts not appearing leaving the taskbars blank?
[06:41] <Anubis> lunitik, thx
[06:42] <beowuff> Anubis, Haven't run into that one.
[06:42] <jacquesmerde> jobezone, so how do i install discrete universe packages (like fluidsynth) without turning my system into a universe-infested break-a-thon?
[06:42] <ali_> it is right, I think
[06:42] <beowuff> Lunitik, been meaning to try xfce/rox. Work good?
[06:42] <ali_> why do you want to install a kernel, archangel_X19  ?
[06:42] <archangel_X19> lol I'm tweaking
[06:42] <Anubis> lunitik, I only have rox-filer?
[06:43] <lunitik> beowuff: I haven't used 4.2.x yet... but last I tried it... its quite nice...
[06:43] <ali_> archangel_X19, > hum... you have a weird sense of humor :p
[06:43] <Anubis> Package rox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:43] <pdoms> Ubuntu doesn't fall under Caldera OpenLinux, right?
[06:43] <Anubis> I'm using 4.2
[06:43] <lunitik> Anubis: umm... thats what I said to get...
[06:43] <lunitik> pdoms: umm... no
[06:43] <pdoms> lunitik, do you mean no you're not right?
[06:43] <archangel_X19> ali_, I just want to see how it runs on my system but I need to get the headers right?
[06:44] <lunitik> pdoms: yes... it doesn't fall under OpenLinux
[06:44] <archangel_X19> reformatting doesn't bother me
[06:44] <pdoms> lunitik, okdio thanks
[06:44] <lunitik> pdoms: Caldera OpenLinux is SCO's old verson of Linux
[06:44] <Garathor> There is no repository with Adobe Reader 7?
[06:44] <ali_> yes you need the headers...
[06:44] <pdoms> so drivers for that won't work on ubuntu lunitik ?
[06:44] <jobezone> jacquesmerde, I don't know, what does it depend on?
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> Garathor,  ubuntuguide.org - has details.
[06:44] <ali_> ans the kernel image I think
[06:45] <archangel_X19> cool I'm on it
[06:45] <archangel_X19> thanks
[06:45] <lunitik> (which is kinda funny... cuz they distributed a Linux distro... which means they gave permission for others to do the same via GPL... but now are sueing for that action...
[06:45] <jobezone> jacquesmerde, installing stuff that will depend on other stuff which messes with libraries is a bit dangerous.
[06:45] <lunitik> pdoms: umm... OpenLinux's latest kernel was something like 2.4.15  :/
[06:45] <lunitik> (so no, they won't work)
[06:45] <jacquesmerde> jobezone, ladcca2, libc6, libc6.1, libjack, etc...
[06:46] <spiral> hi
[06:46] <libben> ubuntu should have feh installed from start =)
[06:48] <Smeven> hi
[06:48] <jobezone> jacquesmerde, I dont know, dude
[06:51] <x_or> Anyone know a channel to help troubleshoot IMAP-courier?  I cannot seem to connect any clients to the IMAP server, though I see it up.  Do I need to specially configure a different password or something?
[06:51] <nydust> suse Openexchange Server <--- is there something like this for ubuntu
[06:51] <geneo93> #imap
[06:52] <x_or> No channel access there...
[06:54] <Hannes_> umm
[06:54] <Hannes_> can I acces NFs drives from windows?
[06:55] <Hannes_> *NFS
[06:55] <Kamping_kaiser> not natively
[06:56] <ali_> see you later, bye
[06:56] <bestadvocate> wooohoo gnomebaker made it into the repos!
[06:57] <Hannes_> Kamping_kaiser: any freeware tools?
[06:57] <bestadvocate> hey is transcode supposed to be in the universe for i386rs or in marriat?
[06:57] <Agrajag> Hannes_: yes you can, and natively
[06:57] <Agrajag> Get unix services for windows
[06:58] <Agrajag> from MS's website
[06:58] <tritium> bestadvocate, marillat
[06:59] <bestadvocate> bummer: i need it for amd64...
[06:59] <Nekohayo> anyone experiencing lag from bluefish and gedit?
[06:59] <bestadvocate> marillat only has libdvdcss on amd64.
[06:59] <Smeven> anyone know where i can get help with an apple ipod in linux?
[07:00] <bestadvocate> how do you install a deb package you downloaded by hand?
[07:00] <Nekohayo> bestadvocate, sudo dpkg -i yourpackage
[07:01] <difeta> hey all! How can i find out what package provides the file gl.h?
[07:01] <bitsmash> difeta: is that your video driver?
[07:01] <libben> lol
[07:01] <bitsmash> nvidia?
[07:02] <libben> blackout here... what to type to check the mem.
[07:02] <bestadvocate> thanks Nekohayo
[07:02] <jobezone> difeta, install 'apt-file'
[07:02] <whiskey_2> i still don't see why ubuntu went to all the trouble to get kernel 2.6.10 working and then not take advantage of reiser4
[07:03] <trygvebw> AFAIK Reiser4 is propietary?
[07:03] <difeta> jobezone, k thanks
[07:03] <whiskey_2> trygvebw, oh it is?...I did not know
[07:03] <jobezone> or go to http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents
[07:04] <bestadvocate> woh hey i found working transcode for AMD64 (marillat moved the repos! someone know if this needs to be wiki documented?)
[07:05] <vrln> trygvebw: no it isn't
[07:05] <mjr> bestadvocate, dunno, but you need to tell me ;)
[07:05] <pdoms> "Please use the registry key HKEY_CURRENT_CONFIG\Software\Fonts\LogPixels to set the screen resolution and remove the "Resolution" entry in the config file" <-- any1 know how to fix this in english? :)
[07:05] <pdoms> it's a wine error
[07:05] <vessuvius> Does anyone know where the kernel sits and what its name is for hoary?
[07:05] <bestadvocate> http://hpisi.nerim.net/ has the info on repos, where should i put this in the wiki? at the bottom of Restricted formats page?
[07:06] <trygvebw> vessuvius, run "uname -r" in a console. The kernel is in /boot
[07:06] <whiskey_2> i wonder if those blocklist.org files are what is making xdcc not work here
[07:07] <jobezone> gfg
[07:08] <Dr_Willis> whiskey_2,  you testing out that peer guardian?
[07:08] <vessuvius> trygvebw, I'm trying to tell Grub where it is, can't boot into it right now :-/
[07:08] <tritium> whiskey_2, there are many people who still don't trust reiserfs
[07:08] <bestadvocate> hehe i have like over a dozen repos listed on my sources.list
[07:08] <tritium> I had massive filesystem corruption with reiserfs
[07:09] <trygvebw> oh?
[07:09] <whiskey_2> Dr_Willis, no...there is nothing i want to download...except perhaps gnome-office
[07:09] <trygvebw> i've only had corruption with ext3, not reiserfs3.
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> i had reiserfs  issues - but it was year+ ago. :P
[07:09] <whiskey_2> trygvebw, well i never had any problems with reiser3...but the head crashed
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> then again - computers are prone to screwing up when you need them most :P
[07:10] <trygvebw> O_o
[07:10] <bestadvocate> ive only had filesystem corruption on ntfs, its called "Windows"
[07:10] <gordonjcp> tell you what though
[07:10] <gordonjcp> I've got 25-year-old 8" floppies that still read perfectly
[07:10] <vessuvius> Does anyone run iTunes through WINE?
[07:11] <vessuvius> I've got a dual boot system just so I can use my iPod
[07:11] <gordonjcp> and I've got brand new 3.5" floppies that last a week
[07:11] <yg_home> is there any specific time on Apr 8th when the 5.04 is scheduled to be released ?
[07:11] <GhostFreeman> no, because we all get our music illegally
[07:11] <GhostFreeman> :)
[07:11] <bestadvocate> gordonjcp i've got 2 week old cds that are scratched to hell :)
[07:11] <vessuvius> I get mine illegally too, but I put it on the pod
[07:11] <tritium> GhostFreeman, not all of use
[07:11] <tritium> us
[07:12] <vessuvius> I thought I read something about crossover working for iTunes
[07:12] <vessuvius> I don't really want to play from iTunes, but I want to sync with my iPod
[07:12] <GhostFreeman> You should
[07:13] <GhostFreeman> but I would suggest running iTunes in Windows or OS X
[07:13] <vessuvius> damn :-/
[07:13] <gordonjcp> not everyone's got Windows
[07:13] <vessuvius> a whole os for one program
[07:13] <GhostFreeman> Isnt there a Linux iPod syncing program
[07:13] <gordonjcp> vessuvius: AFAIK you can just mount the iPod as usb-storage or a firewire disk
[07:13] <tritium> vessuvius, you can try winetools from winehq.com.  Perhaps you can get iTunes running under wine with it.
[07:14] <gordonjcp> then copy the mp3s across
[07:14] <vessuvius> I think I'll do that
[07:15] <vessuvius> I want to reinstall TODAY... do you think it will matter for an upgrade to the release of hoary if I go with hoary rc or warty?
[07:16] <vessuvius> I know I should just wait until tomorrow, but my class got cancelled today
[07:16] <eric__> hey anyone can help me with keyboard problem; I have a white apple keyboard with 2 usb ports.  I cant get the apple key to act as altcar; which is really important in a ca-enhanced keyboard
[07:16] <eric__> and the eject key don't work; I was told this was a feature added in hoary  (the eject key to work) but still don't work
[07:18] <vessuvius> Does anyone here use LVM?
[07:18] <hohlraum> vessuvius: on an FC1 box yes.. sup?
[07:18] <alexsmith> Trying to make ndiswrapper on Ubuntu, I have /usr/src/linux, but it claims it can't find the source in the directory it's looking. I checked on the apt for kernel-source, and the version for the current running kernel isn't on there..
[07:19] <vessuvius> hohlraum, I just wondered if there is a reason to or not
[07:19] <hohlraum> alexsmith: make sure you have the linux-headers stuff installed.
[07:19] <vessuvius> I know its better if you need to add a disk later or whatnot
[07:19] <netsack> nautilus has started closing the parent window whenever i double-click on a sub-directory. did the default behavior change with a recent update? (i'm on hoary.)
[07:20] <kors> ppl, sorry for dumb question - how do i configure fonts on ubuntu? (not new to *nix/x window at all, but new to ubuntu/debian). Adding fonts to fontpath/fc's path works, but, seems like there is "ubuntu-way". Tnx!
[07:20] <hohlraum> vessuvius: sooner or later it'll be the default option on all distro's I would imagine.  unless you are building a server and wanna do RAID though its probably not worth the additional knowledge.
[07:20] <alexsmith> Thanks, hohlraum
[07:20] <gordonjcp> vessuvius: I use LVM
[07:20] <hohlraum> netsack: System / Preferences / File Management.
[07:20] <vessuvius> hohlraum, that's what I figured... I like tinkering too much I think
[07:21] <vessuvius> gordonjcp: any particular reason?
[07:21] <hohlraum> vessuvius: its definately useful knowledge.
[07:21] <gordonjcp> vessuvius: yeah, I had a 200G drive and didn't know how I wanted it split up
[07:21] <hohlraum> vessuvius: i do use it.. like i said.. on an FC1 server.. cuz wanted to do software RAID 1.
[07:22] <netsack> hohlraum, there's no auto-close parent option in there.
[07:22] <vessuvius> raid 1 is mirroring right?
[07:22] <hohlraum> vessuvius: yes.
[07:22] <Reblended> http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/research/recording_head/pr/index.html < the future of storage
[07:23] <Reblended> (the near future)
[07:23] <netsack> hohlraum, maybe you were suggesting i fix this by turning off spatial? i like spatial, but the auto-close of the parent windows is new all of a sudden and i want to turn that off.
[07:23] <leonel> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=4021444&size=o
[07:23] <Reblended> is there a Linux picasa?
[07:24] <vessuvius> hmmm ok, so I have another question then... I have to hard drives... 80 and 250... I want about 20 gigs on the 80 to backup to the 250... would mirroring or just a backup program be a better option... I just need to recover certain data if I hose the system or if one disk dies
[07:24] <trygvebw> w00t, new ubuntulinux.org look XD :P
[07:24] <vessuvius> to = two
[07:24] <hohlraum> netsack: nope.. i thought there was an option to turn off auto close.. you are correct there isn't.  its probably a gnome registry mod.. lemme check
[07:24] <cHris> When will come the FINAL Hoary Stable release?
[07:24] <vessuvius> tomorrow
[07:25] <cHris> =)
[07:25] <trygvebw> cHris: tommorrow
[07:25] <cHris> and what is to say about the "Release Candidate Release" ?
[07:25] <cHris> sry 4 my english :p
[07:25] <kent> netsack, hohlraum, there is.  Wait a second and il show you. Its in gconf.
[07:25] <trygvebw> cHris: that was a few days ago
[07:25] <cHris> and WHAT is this? =)
[07:25] <whiskey_1> all this arguing about linux vs windows.....since 70% of linux is gnu....they are both the same...they say either fork over your money or fork over your IP
[07:25] <Reblended> release candidate, is that just getting a jump start?
[07:25] <trygvebw> the RC is a pre-release
[07:26] <cHris> trans_err, thanks ;)
[07:26] <cHris> okay tomorrow i will upgrade :-D
[07:26] <kent> netsack, hohlraum, in gconf (apps -> nautilus -> preferences ->  no_ubuntu_spatial.  Press that one, and its off.
[07:26] <Reblended> so, if I don't have broadband... don't use linux?
[07:26] <vessuvius> has anyone running the rc had any issues?
[07:26] <hohlraum> kent: yep.. just located it as well.
[07:26] <trygvebw> vessuvius: no
[07:26] <kzm> Heh...issues with Hoary?  I have.
[07:26] <trygvebw> vessuvius: i have been running Hoary since october, and i have had nearly no issues/problems
[07:26] <archangel_X19> has anyone in here tried 2.6.11?  I need the command line to stop gnome from freezing
[07:26] <netsack> kent, hohlraum, thanks. is there any information i can read more about that?
[07:27] <vessuvius> cool
[07:27] <vessuvius> trygvebw, do you know anything about how an upgrade will work from the rc to the release?
[07:27] <trygvebw> vessuvius: It will work very good :)
[07:27] <archangel_X19> Reblended, if you don't have broadband updating ubuntu or any linux will be a biotch
[07:27] <trygvebw> I have used the same installation all the way from October to now :)
[07:27] <netsack> kent, that did it. thinks are back to normal.
[07:27] <Reblended> thx arch, bumma
[07:27] <Reblended> maybe I can do it wireless broadband
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> without broadband... life is a  Biotch
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> :P
[07:28] <sgarrity> What's the password for the default UBUNTU account ont he Live CD?
[07:28] <trygvebw> sgarrity, ubuntu ?
[07:28] <eruin> ubuntu
[07:28] <archangel_X19> Dr_Willis, very true very true
[07:28] <Reblended> any issues installing Ubuntu on a PCG-FX190 Vaio laptop?
[07:28] <eruin> sgarrity: I hope you're sitting on a hoary livecd ;-)
[07:28] <Reblended> < gonna try live cd in a few
[07:28] <archangel_X19> Reblended, just drive around your neighborhood after the install with your laptop and a wireless card and use someone else
[07:28] <vessuvius> was configuring software raid 1 very tough?
[07:28] <eric__> anyone have apple keyboard and got it working correctly with ubuntu, with full support of eject key and apple key ?  and volume keys ?  I would need help to make them work
[07:28] <kzm> Good luck, vessuvius - it seems to work for most people, so statistically there should be a good chance that it'll work for you.
[07:29] <computerguy867> is the final hoary release tomm?
[07:29] <sgarrity> The "ubuntu"  password isn't unlocking the  screen for me
[07:29] <Reblended> thx arch >=] 
[07:29] <vessuvius> I'm at the option screen right now :)  got rid of all my partitions
[07:29] <trygvebw> computerguy867, yes
[07:29] <archangel_X19> lol no prob
[07:29] <computerguy867> do you know when its being posted/
[07:29] <computerguy867> i cant wait!
[07:29] <trygvebw> computerguy867, as early as possible tomorrow, i gues
[07:29] <trygvebw> computerguy867, as early as possible tomorrow, i guess
[07:29] <whiskey_1> it is simply a question of what you pay with...either you pay with your intellectual improvements or you pay with money
[07:29] <Reblended> gotta log in... user is ubuntu and pass too? or is it root and ubuntu
[07:29] <hohlraum> vessuvius: never done it with debian/ubuntu.. fedora has a very easy graphical installer for it.
[07:29] <archangel_X19> anybody here successfully used 2.6.11?
[07:30] <vessuvius> I'll give it a try and give you guys a report :)
[07:30] <whiskey_1> so what is the difference between linux and windows
[07:30] <trygvebw> I would say that the current Hoary repositories is stable now... i don't think they'll make any big updates to tomorrow
[07:30] <eruin> archangel_X19: no
[07:30] <Reblended> ahem, whiskey
[07:30] <trygvebw> whiskey_1, you have to try it to see
[07:30] <sgarrity> It's the 5.04 preview release Live CD that I'm trying to unlock the screen for.
[07:30] <halibut> what is ubuntu like for someone relatively new to linux?
[07:30] <Reblended> whiskey: I'm on windows right now, but not any longer than tomorrow... I hope
[07:30] <hohlraum> whiskey_1: one starts with an 'l'
[07:30] <eruin> halibut: sweet as 'ell :)
[07:30] <beowuff> halibut, heaven.
[07:30] <trygvebw> halibut, very good. Ubuntu is designed to be easy to use
[07:30] <archangel_X19> eruin, does anyone know the command like "ionotify" to keep gnome from freezing?
[07:30] <notos> is there ani command to control sound from commadn line?
[07:30] <Reblended> halibut: try the live cd... I just tried mepis and if it's anything like ubuntu.. I"M SOLD
[07:31] <trygvebw> archangel_X19, it's "inotify"
[07:31] <vessuvius> hohlraum, so you have to use LVM if you want to use software RAID 1?
[07:31] <vrln> halibut: and while it's user friendly, it's not "too user friendly" ie, you still learn gnu/linux and not some distros management tools most of the time
[07:31] <computerguy867> im running on hoary right now (been updating since one of the earlier realses).  Im hoping when I reinstall tomm I wont be having all the problems Im having with it now
[07:31] <archangel_X19> trygvebw, what does it do?
[07:31] <sgarrity> So, with the 5.04 preview release Live CD, when the screen is locked, username: ubuntu, and password: ubuntu should unlock it?
[07:31] <hohlraum> halibut: its good.. but debian's installer is still pretty amatuerish compaired to the graphical installers most other distros use.
[07:31] <kzm> computerguy867, what are your problems?
[07:31] <trygvebw> archangel_X19, it disables the inotify feature, which is not needed except for Beagle
[07:31] <bestadvocate> hey dudes dvd::rip is telling me "rar command (for vosub compression) is not found: rar 2.8.0 not found NOT OK"  anyone know how to fix this and/or install the "rar command"?
[07:31] <halibut> thank you eruin beowuff Reblended vrln hohlraum
[07:31] <trygvebw> bestadvocate, apt-get install unrar
[07:31] <archangel_X19> trygvebw, have you tried it in 2.6.11?
[07:32] <trygvebw> archangel_X19, no, i'm running 2.10-4, because i didn't want to recompile my WLAN drivers :)
[07:32] <computerguy867> gdesklets doesnt work, the gnome workspace switcher applet for the panel doesnt work right
[07:32] <Reblended> < a little worried about my sony winmodem... "trying to wrestle it into submission" is a common quote
[07:32] <bestadvocate> trygvebw: i have unrar-nonfree do you think thats where the confict is?
[07:32] <computerguy867> mozilla crashes
[07:32] <computerguy867> (firefox)
[07:32] <hohlraum> bestadvocate: add multiverse to your repo list.
[07:32] <archangel_X19> trygvebw, lol I hear that
[07:32] <trygvebw> bestadvocat, nol, it should work
[07:32] <kzm> Oh - well there are a few glitches like that, right.
[07:32] <kent> I see in the screenshots on ubuntu from Hoary that there is an "About Ubuntu" under System.  But I run Hoary and updates every day, but I have no About Ubuntu there. Its not a real issue for me, but it is still strange..
[07:32] <beowuff> halibut, I would definatly give the live cd a try. And probably try some other live CD's like suse and knoppix. That way you'll see how good ubuntu is!
[07:32] <halibut> I have tried suse knoppix mandrake
[07:33] <kzm> I guess there's no way to downgrade to Warty again :-(
[07:33] <halibut> didn't like mandrake
[07:33] <trygvebw> kent: You DO run "apt-get dist-upgrade" right?
[07:33] <hohlraum> bestadvocate: you should be good then.. i think there is a separate rar package thogh.
[07:33] <trygvebw> kzm: Why would you want to?
[07:33] <archangel_X19> trygvebw, enter it as command line or the other thing?
[07:33] <halibut> beowuff, I preffered knoppix from all that I tried so far
[07:33] <trygvebw> arch: What?
[07:33] <Reblended> < gonna try knoppix knext, already tried mepis live... very sweet gui
[07:33] <phobosanger> hello :)
[07:33] <trygvebw> MEPIS is using KDE, while Ubuntu is using GNOME
[07:33] <trygvebw> phobosanger, hello
[07:33] <computerguy867> I dont think using an earlier release and updating produces the same result as just downloading the final realse.  What do you all think?
[07:33] <Reblended> IC, ty try
[07:33] <kzm> trygvebw: short story: because it worked, and hoary doesn't.  Long story: http://www.ii.uib.no/~ketil/ubuntu-prob.log
[07:33] <trygvebw> computerguy867, it is! :)
[07:33] <Reblended> hiya phobosanger
[07:33] <kent> trygvebw, No, im not a fan of terminals so i Use synaptic and the upgrade-manage. But yes, i do dist-upgrade.
[07:33] <beowuff> halibut, knoppix is nice, but I really like Ubuntu best from all that I've tired.
[07:33] <trygvebw> kzm: norsk? :)
[07:34] <trygvebw> kent: ok :)
[07:34] <kzm> Greit for meg - men litt ekskluderende?
[07:34] <memoryleak> hi
[07:34] <computerguy867> i guess I just did something wrong then
[07:34] <archangel_X19> trygvebw, when you choose a kernel, underneath it gives options to enter in a command line or something else like startup
[07:34] <Reblended> how to launch the console in Ubuntu?
[07:34] <trygvebw> XD
[07:34] <pdoms> "Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:34] <pdoms> " this I get alot when I do glxinfo | grep rendering .... I feel something is seriously wrong.. any help?
[07:34] <vessuvius> hohlraum, do you know any good guides for the LVM?
[07:34] <trygvebw> archangel_X19, what do you mean?
[07:34] <Reblended> < does ubuntu live come with an IRC client?
[07:34] <kzm> Basically, I have a latency issue.  And I'm damned if I can figure it out.
[07:34] <bestadvocate> what video codecs can the default totem read?
[07:34] <phobosanger> i    have a problaem with  SKyp  i can connect but i can't send or resive any massages =\ did any of u cam cross this problem ?
[07:34] <trygvebw> Reblended, yes, XChat
[07:34] <Reblended> sweet! thx tryg
[07:34] <phobosanger> and i feel fine thank Reblended
[07:34] <memoryleak> i have a problem with my notebook, since i started ubuntu, the fan is allways working
[07:35] <phobosanger> :)
[07:35] <archangel_X19> trygvebw, do I enter inotify in a command line for the 2.6.11 kernel?
[07:35] <Reblended> =] 
[07:35] <hohlraum> vessuvious:  no.. i'm sorry i don't..
[07:35] <computerguy867> whats the default kernel going to be for hoarys final release?
[07:35] <bestadvocate> whats the most "free" video codec to encode vidio too?
[07:35] <trygvebw> archangel_X19, you enter it in the kernel options by pressing "e" and "e"
[07:35] <Reblended> memoryleak, linux is cool, but at the speeds you are going, let the fan run
[07:35] <trygvebw> computerguy867, 2.6.11, i guess
[07:35] <computerguy867> cool
[07:35] <archangel_X19> trygvebw, thanks man bbl (maybe)
[07:35] <trygvebw> :)
[07:36] <vessuvius> reading from raid 1 is faster, correct?
[07:36] <whiskey_1> bestadvocate, right now the theora lib is a popular free video codec
[07:36] <sgarrity> eruin: I should be able to unlock the screen from the Hoary live CD with the password "ubuntu"?
[07:36] <akk> memoryleak: How long have you been up?  Maybe it's doing updatedb or something, and just hasn't finished that job yet?
[07:36] <hohlraum> vessuvius: you have two drives right?
[07:36] <Reblended> < wants to know if it is possible to make ubuntu look like Mac OS from the very first point of startup?
[07:36] <memoryleak> akk: 20 min
[07:36] <trygvebw> sgarrity, there is no password
[07:37] <kzm> memoryleak, do you run the frequency applet in the toolbar?
[07:37] <trygvebw> Reblended, you can download a theme
[07:37] <hohlraum> vessuvius: you are thinking of raid 0 (striping)
[07:37] <bestadvocate> whiskey_1: i dont think (not sure though) that theora is avalable for dvd:rip
[07:37] <memoryleak> kzm, yes
[07:37] <whiskey_1> bestadvocate, free in the sense of money...but not free because if you use it like any other linux program...you must fork over your intellectual property if you distribute anything
[07:37] <akk> memoryleak: If you run top from a terminal, what does it show as the top cpu hogs?
[07:37] <sgarrity> trygvebw: how do I unlock the screen then?
[07:37] <vessuvius> ah
[07:37] <Reblended> trygvebw, sweet,,, and it will change the complete look from even the startup screen?
[07:37] <kzm> memoryleak, well - is it full throttle, or does it slow down?
[07:37] <trygvebw> sgarrity: just press enter when you're asked for the password
[07:37] <trygvebw> Reblended: No, but i'm sure you can modify that too :)
[07:37] <memoryleak> akk: 1 %
[07:38] <Reblended> trygvebw, this I've gotta see
[07:38] <trygvebw> Reblended, take a look at gnome-look.org
[07:38] <hohlraum> vessuvius: but yes.. it is faster now that i think about it.
[07:38] <Reblended> try ty
[07:38] <memoryleak> akk: between 0 and 3 %
[07:38] <sgarrity> trygvebw: Yeah, when I press enter, it says "Login Cancelled"
[07:38] <halibut> should I go with RC version of live cd?
[07:38] <trygvebw> sgarrity: :|
[07:38] <akk> memoryleak: What is between 0 and 3%?
[07:38] <trygvebw> halibut: yes, or you can wait till tomorrow
[07:38] <memoryleak> akk, the cpu usage
[07:38] <hohlraum> vessuvius: here is a good reference http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/R/RAID.html
[07:38] <akk> memoryleak: What are the top cpu-using programs?
[07:38] <halibut> what happens tommorow trygvebw ?
[07:38] <sgarrity> anyone else know how to unlock the screen in the Hoary Live CD?
[07:38] <trygvebw> halibut, Ubuntu Hoary Stable is released :)
[07:39] <halibut> what bizarre names!
[07:39] <memoryleak> metacity, cpufreq and at most xfree86
[07:39] <halibut> I think I will download tommorow then
[07:39] <halibut> thanks :)
[07:39] <Reblended> I'm looking forward to an OS that will be nice to my dying HD
[07:39] <akk> memoryleak: cpufreq?  Wonder if that's freaking out for some reason ...
[07:39] <trygvebw> halibut: :)
[07:39] <bestadvocate> whats the diffrence between default video codec and default container format?
[07:39] <Reblended> is there a Ghosting program I should try?
[07:39] <trygvebw> Reblended: You mean like Norton Ghost?
[07:40] <whiskey_1> Reblended, dd or partimage if you want an interface
[07:40] <Reblended> trygvebw yes
[07:40] <Reblended> danke
[07:40] <whiskey_1> Reblended, there is a dd for windows
[07:40] <memoryleak> akk, what now?
[07:40] <Reblended> oh nice! oos, Whiskey?
[07:40] <akk> memoryleak: I think you need someone who knows about cpufreq.  I don't have any cpus it works on, afaik.
[07:41] <Reblended> whiskey googlled dd download... hmm
[07:41] <Reblended> whiskey is it under another name?
[07:41] <pdoms> pdoms@DenBrommer:~$ glxgears
[07:41] <pdoms> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:41] <pdoms>  Nvidia worked properly before.. any1 an idea of how to fix this? I tried reinstalling nvidia but no succes :(
[07:41] <whiskey_1> Reblended, nah..give me a minute and i will try to find it for you
[07:41] <memoryleak> now i killed cpufreqd, and the fan is still working with full speed
[07:41] <trygvebw> akk: It searches your CD-ROM for updated packages
[07:41] <Reblended> whiskey much oblidged =] 
[07:41] <vessuvius> hohlraum, if I stick a disk that I've used the LVM on into a windows machine, (and say I formatted some partitions in fat) would it still be able to read them?
[07:41] <trygvebw> akk: to stop it from doing it remove your CD-ROM from your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[07:42] <jnoon> doesnt hoary final come out this month? anyone know the day?
[07:42] <nooneyouknow> does anyone know how to set read permissions for users on a reiserfs diskdrive?
[07:42] <memoryleak> akk, should i reboot ?
[07:42] <trygvebw> jnoon: tomorrow
[07:42] <akk> trygvebw: Ah, IC.  Thanks.
[07:42] <trygvebw> :)
[07:42] <halibut> is it safe to write to ntfs partitions?
[07:42] <vessuvius> somebody needs to make that the topic :-p
[07:42] <nooneyouknow> ive got it as my second drive and i cant get access as read or write without sudo
[07:42] <nooneyouknow> no, its not safe to write to ntfs partitions.
[07:42] <akk> memoryleak: I suppose it couldn't hurt.  I wonder if there's a way to disable cpufreq somewhere?
[07:42] <trygvebw> halibut: If you use CaptiveNTFS, yes, mostly
[07:42] <trygvebw> but theres always some risks
[07:42] <nooneyouknow> well, not if you have anything really important on them.
[07:42] <Reblended> restore deleted files?
[07:42] <jnoon> trygvebw, nice... do you know what i do to get it... i am on hoary-dev (i think thats what you call it)
[07:43] <whiskey_1> Reblended, well i can't copy the url...but i got the binary and source if you want them
[07:43] <memoryleak> akk, i uninstalled cpufreq
[07:43] <akk> memoryleak: It seems to be run from /etc/init.d/powernowd
[07:43] <vessuvius> Does anyone have a good book to recommend for beginning linux users
[07:43] <Reblended> whiskey can you paste the binary file name?
[07:43] <trygvebw> jnoon: It will be announced on the official site.
[07:43] <akk> memoryleak: Oh, that would do it too.  It'll be interesting to hear if that helps.
[07:43] <Reblended> whiskey I'll search that =] 
[07:43] <trygvebw> If i understand you right :)
[07:43] <jnoon> ok thanks
[07:43] <vessuvius> I've got a csci degree, just need a good resource to tell me how things work
[07:43] <whiskey_1> Reblended, yes or i could just email it to you
[07:43] <Reblended> whiskey not unless I want an angry host letter =] 
[07:44] <whiskey_1> Reblended, well ok...the filename is dd-0.3.zip
[07:44] <sgarrity> so, apparently you can't unlock the screensaver on the LiveCD at all?
[07:44] <Reblended> whiskey tyvm
[07:44] <whiskey_1> Reblended, you go get it
[07:44] <Reblended> lol
[07:44] <Bauhn> Can anyone help me with configuring so that when i double-click on a directory it doesn't open in a new window..?
[07:44] <Reblended> what's dd stand for, whiskey?
[07:45] <memoryleak> akk, can you advise me an other cpu frequency control programm?
[07:45] <ArdieM> i cant find packages like unrar or azureus via apt... could somebody gimme some repos ?? (warty amd64)
[07:45] <Nekohayo> Bauhn, go in the gnome menu, system tools, configuration editor
[07:45] <whiskey_1> dd stands for dumb duplicator
[07:45] <Nekohayo> then apps, nautilus, preferences
[07:45] <Reblended> whiskey thx
[07:45] <akk> memoryleak: No, sorry, I don't have any cpus that support that (just an older p3 that auto-switches).
[07:46] <akk> memoryleak: Maybe try back here periodically, someone who knows might show up?
[07:46] <Reblended> whiskey I'm hoping it will work to rescue a 200g drive that has physical damage
[07:46] <memoryleak> akk, and for intel centrino ?
[07:46] <cikilin> i am verry curios why windows went to left of the screen on comand minimize
[07:46] <netsack> if i started with hoary preview and have been doing apt-get update every couple of days since then, do i still need to do a dist-upgrade?
[07:47] <memoryleak> akk, yes i will be here periodically
[07:47] <pussfeller> the hpijs drivers for my photosmart are only showing what looks like photo paper in the option, whats up with that
[07:47] <pussfeller> i cant select legal or letter
[07:47] <memoryleak> akk, i will reboote to see if something changes
[07:47] <Bauhn> Nekohayo, where in the configuration editor?
[07:47] <Nekohayo> then apps, nautilus, preferences
[07:47] <Nekohayo> and there's an option "always use browser"
[07:48] <ermo> vessuvius, no offense, but how did you get a csci degree without getting to know at least on flavour of *NIX? Try taking a look at http://tldp.org/guides.html and go from there
[07:48] <memoryleak> akk, maybe the configuration of the fan is still the same before the uninstall. of cpufreq
[07:48] <grahamoz> hello i need some help
[07:48] <cikilin> i am verry curios why windows went to left of the screen on comand minimize
[07:48] <memoryleak> cu
[07:49] <grahamoz> how do u install ndsiwrapper ?
[07:49] <grahamoz> *ndiswrapper
[07:49] <Bauhn> Can anyone help me with configuring so that when i double-click on a directory it doesn't open in a new window..? or what the "section" is called in the system configuration menu
[07:49] <Reblended> apt-get install ndiswrapper ?
[07:50] <grahamoz> graham@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper
[07:50] <grahamoz> Reading package lists... Done
[07:50] <grahamoz> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:50] <grahamoz> E: Couldn't find package ndiswrapper
[07:50] <grahamoz> graham@ubuntu:~$
[07:50] <cikilin> hello
[07:51] <Nekohayo> Bauhn, I just told you
[07:51] <cikilin> E VREUN ROMAN?
[07:51] <vessuvius> Does anyone have a recommended sizing of partitions?  I have plenty of disk space, but don't want free space set aside for / or /usr that is never going to be filled... I know I need 250MB or so /boot and twice RAM for swap, but other than that I've not much of a clue
[07:51] <cikilin> E CAREVA ROMAN PE AICI?
[07:51] <Earthen> can some recommend a good video editing program for Ubuntu
[07:51] <trygvebw> Earthen: Kino
[07:51] <Earthen> is it atp-getable
[07:51] <grahamoz> hmm i wonder why i can't install ndiswrapper
[07:51] <Nekohayo> Bauhn, "Nekohayo then apps, nautilus, preferences // Nekohayo and there's an option "always use browser""
[07:51] <trygvebw> vessuvius: I have never used anything else than just / and swap
[07:52] <ningo> Earthen, yes
[07:52] <trygvebw> Earthen: yes, but remember to unlock universe
[07:52] <memoryleak> akk, it helped!
[07:52] <Bauhn> Nekohayo, sorry, i missed that
[07:52] <trygvebw> grahamoz, have you unlocked ndiswrapper in the source file?
[07:52] <Earthen> I was hoping that Cinelerra would be but sady it is not
[07:52] <Nekohayo> ok
[07:52] <cikilin> can i download from torrents sites music?
[07:52] <Earthen> thanks anyway
[07:52] <grahamoz> how do u do that
[07:52] <memoryleak> akk, just removed cpufreq
[07:52] <trygvebw> cikilin, what do you mean?
[07:52] <vessuvius> trygvebv, I've heard its more secure to put things like /var etc on different partitions, in case a program goes wild... and I like the idea of my /home being on a separate partition in case I hose the os
[07:52] <mikkel> so, If i download a .deb-file from the web, what should I do to install it?
[07:53] <cikilin> i wanna download some music and i don't know how
[07:53] <pussfeller> it keeps telling meI am not in the sudoers file
[07:53] <akk> memoryleak: Cool!  Fan no longer spinning all the time?
[07:53] <Myrtti> is anyone else having problems with Gimp's jpg-saving?
[07:53] <trygvebw> vessuvius: it's just a waste to but everything else than /home / and swap on different partitions
[07:53] <pussfeller> cikilin, nicotine or mldonkey
[07:53] <akk> Myrtti: I've been able to save jpg but I've had trouble with loading images from the web.
[07:53] <Nekohayo> Myrtti, no problem here
[07:53] <trygvebw> pussfeller: Have you created a new user on your own?
[07:53] <pussfeller> yes
[07:53] <cikilin> ?
[07:54] <grahamoz> trygvebw,  how do u unlock it
[07:54] <vessuvius> you really think so trygvebw?
[07:54] <trygvebw> vessuvius: yeah
[07:54] <akk> Myrtti: I think there's something a little wrong with the libraries gimp uses for various image formats on hoary.
[07:54] <trygvebw> vessuvius: on older distributions it could've been smart, but not on Ubuntu
[07:54] <pdoms> What's the easiest way to rip an audio cd on my hd?
[07:54] <trygvebw> grahamoz, http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[07:54] <Reblended> you said UB will run Cinelerra?
[07:54] <trygvebw> pdoms, sound-juicer
[07:54] <vessuvius> hmmm
[07:55] <vessuvius> you're making sense actually
[07:55] <trygvebw> vessuvius, :P
[07:55] <Myrtti> akk: time to cross fingers and send silent cries to Gaia that an update to those libraries will be released soon would be appropriate, then...
[07:55] <cikilin> i wanna download some music and i don't know how
[07:55] <vessuvius> maybe /var too though... keep the website separate
[07:55] <matthijs_> I ran `usermod -G hal [my_usrname] , so I've deleted myself from all groups, how can I add them back without root user?
[07:55] <pussfeller> cikilin, i told you what programs, 2 of many you can use for p2p
[07:55] <trygvebw> matthijs: Use the GNOME user tool
[07:56] <trygvebw> cikilin, gtk-gnutella, xmule
[07:56] <matthijs_> trygvebw: gives an error
[07:56] <akk> Myrtti: I actually hadn't updated in a little over a week, so for all I know it's fixed now (just updated, haven't run gimp again since then)
[07:56] <trygvebw> matthijs_, which error?
[07:56] <cikilin> where is it?
[07:56] <Pyre> I don't know cikilin. They're not connected to IRC.
[07:56] <trygvebw> cikilin: apt-get install it
[07:56] <cikilin> done
[07:56] <vessuvius> boot /var /tmp swap /home /
[07:57] <memoryleak> akk, no :)
[07:57] <akk> Myrtti: Nope, just tried it, still broken.  But I can save jpg, so my problem isn't exactly the same as yours.
[07:57] <matthijs_> trygvebw: Failed to run users-admin:
[07:57] <matthijs_>  Child terminated with 1 status
[07:57] <vessuvius> but then I still need some idea of how big / should be or its a waste :-p
[07:57] <trygvebw> hm :|
[07:57] <trygvebw> vessuvius: depends on your use
[07:57] <CountDown> Anyone here use Latex on Ubuntu?
[07:57] <matthijs_> trygvebw: because I don't have the rights I think.
[07:57] <vessuvius> I don't know my use hehe :)
[07:57] <memoryleak> how can i add a panel into another panel?
[07:57] <cikilin> where are the programs
[07:57] <trygvebw> matthijs_, you would have been asked for the root password
[07:57] <CountDown> cikilin: What programs?
[07:58] <inva|id> how would I call uptime, to print everything /but/ the first argument (current time) ?
[07:58] <trygvebw> cikilin, application menu?
[07:58] <akk> Myrtti: Oh, wait, actually I think the problem I was seeing might be fixed after all.
[07:58] <trygvebw> or start them from a console
[07:58] <cikilin> i am new
[07:58] <cikilin> i ubuntu
[07:58] <matthijs_> trygvebw: there is no root passwd in ubuntu
[07:58] <sig> man uptime
[07:58] <trygvebw> matthijs_, sorry, i mean your user password :)
[07:58] <cikilin> dont know to find the programs
[07:58] <Reblended> matth shocked!
[07:58] <pussfeller> cikilin, what program specifically did you apt-get
[07:58] <trygvebw> cikilin: have you looked in your Applications menu?
[07:58] <vessuvius> trygvebw do you prefer reiser or ext3?
[07:58] <CountDown> cikilin, Check the "Applications" menu item in the upper left corner of the screen.
[07:58] <matthijs_> trygvebw: matthijs@tails:~$ sudo -s
[07:58] <matthijs_> Password:
[07:58] <matthijs_> matthijs is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[07:58] <Reblended> matth it's automatically disabled?
[07:58] <trygvebw> vessuvius, reiserfs
[07:59] <trygvebw> vessuvius, i think it's a lot more stable
[07:59] <CountDown> Latex on Ubuntu?
[07:59] <vessuvius> ok
[07:59] <matthijs_> trygvebw: that's why the GNOME user thingie also doesn't work
[07:59] <inva|id> sig, man uptime does not provide any information to filtering the output
[07:59] <cikilin> who is the one?
[07:59] <trygvebw> matthijs_, add yourself to /etc/sudoers, then :)
[07:59] <grahamoz> trygvebw,  how do u unlock the source
[07:59] <CountDown> cikilin: The one to do what?
[07:59] <matthijs_> trygvebw: I don't haver permission for that, need root for that.
[07:59] <_dwayne> how do i get postfix to listen on eth0?
[07:59] <vessuvius> do I need to make "/boot" bootable?
[07:59] <Bauhn> Nekohayo, i cant find it.. Becuase it's on swedish it doesn't say "nautilus" anywheere and i cant find it..?
[07:59] <sig> inva|id: try ps top or other stuff
[07:59] <trygvebw> matthijs_, :|
[07:59] <cikilin> to download some music
[08:00] <matthijs_> trygvebw: I'm in an endless loop hwaaa!
[08:00] <trygvebw> matthijs_, you may try starting in single-user mode and adding yourself to /etc/sudoers
[08:00] <lamont> _dwayne: hoary or warty?
[08:00] <matthijs_> trygvebw: How do I start single user from grub?
[08:00] <inva|id> sig, I have, they just print extra stuff on top of uptime
[08:00] <_dwayne> warty
[08:00] <trygvebw> matthijs_, select your ubuntu entry, press e, choose init, set it to /bin/bash
[08:00] <lamont> _dwayne: vi /etc/postfix/master.cf, see the lines ending with smtpd -  one gets deleted, the other gets the IP removed from the front of it...
[08:00] <matthijs_> trygvebw: thank you!
[08:01] <alexsmith> #modprobe -fr ndiswrapper // modprobe -l | grep ndis // /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko // ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko // ls: /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko: No such file or directory -- Any ideas why that's happening?
[08:01] <pussfeller> cikilin, gtk-gnutella,mldonkey,xmule,nicotine are all programs that download music
[08:01] <trygvebw> matthijs_, np :)
[08:01] <vessuvius> Do I make /boot bootable or /
[08:01] <lamont> smtp      inet  n       -       -       -       -       smtpd
[08:01] <lamont> _dwayne: like that ^^
[08:01] <cikilin> k
[08:01] <_dwayne> lamont: Thanks
[08:01] <trygvebw> vessuvius, i *don't* think that you have to do any of them bootable, but in case, just make /boot bootable :)
[08:01] <lamont> np.
[08:01] <cikilin> where are the programs pls
[08:01] <vessuvius> thnx :)
[08:02] <vessuvius> trygvebw,do you format everything reiser?
[08:02] <pussfeller> cikilin, sudo apt-get install nicotine :)
[08:02] <trygvebw> vessuvius, yeah
[08:02] <vessuvius> ok :)
[08:02] <trygvebw> except for swap, o/c :P
[08:02] <Amaranth> wow, the ubuntu community can pull their own slashdot effect
[08:02] <vessuvius> of course :)
[08:02] <trygvebw> Amaranth: what? :P
[08:02] <vessuvius> I want swap on the outside of the disk too right?
[08:02] <netsack> if i started with hoary preview and have been doing apt-get update every couple of days since then, do i still need to do a dist-upgrade?
[08:02] <vessuvius> and boot on the inside
[08:02] <Amaranth> someone said new layout on the ubuntu website, i tried to go, slow as hell
[08:02] <trygvebw> vessuvius, what do you mean?
[08:02] <trygvebw> O_O
[08:03] <trygvebw> it is very nice :)
[08:03] <MrParker> hello peopling
[08:03] <MrParker> :P
[08:03] <whiskey_1> Reblended, there is one thing...if you are going to use dd for windows to clone windows partitions you better check with Microsoft about additional fees
[08:03] <vessuvius> The outer sectors of the disk should have more data per revolution
[08:03] <vessuvius> rather than the very inside sector
[08:03] <cikilin> tried to sudo apt-get install nicotine sias not available
[08:03] <Reblended> whiskey am I supposed to laugh?
[08:03] <trygvebw> vessuvius: i don't think that that matters for linux
[08:03] <trygvebw> cikilin, look at ubuntuguide.org
[08:03] <whiskey_1> Reblended, no...i am just saying they windows is a restricted program to only paying customers
[08:03] <vessuvius> I don't think it makes any working difference, but perhaps a slight performance boost
[08:04] <Reblended> whiskey I'm not backing up windows.. and if I were, I own a legit xp disk
[08:04] <trygvebw> vessuvius: yeah, probably :) so put / on the outside
[08:04] <libben> cant u play .vob files with totem?
[08:04] <libben> grrr
[08:04] <astro76> Reblended: you might as well laugh, he never makes sense, it's restricted this and restricted that
[08:04] <whiskey_1> Reblended, oh..i see
[08:04] <trygvebw> libben: google for vob files ubuntu
[08:04] <Reblended> astro be kind =] 
[08:04] <Reblended> whiskey thx tho
[08:04] <vessuvius> I think ideally swap should be closest to the file you access most so that the head isn't moving all over hell between what you're using and swapping
[08:04] <Reblended> whiskey one thing I don't get is the dvd libs... why all the fuss?
[08:04] <CountDown> Where is the algorithm.sty stylesheet for latex?  In Debian stable it's in tetex-extra.  It seems to have been removed in the unstable and Ubuntu versions.
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. found my old webcam.. :P whats the program to check it out see if it works :P
[08:05] <astro76> Reblended: well apparently linux can't play dvds and mp3s, don't you know ;)
[08:05] <kebikata> beh, kdevelop is older than my .kdevelop project file...
[08:05] <trygvebw> Dr_Willis, video4linux?
[08:05] <Reblended> =p ha
[08:05] <trygvebw> kebikata, :P
[08:05] <kebikata> as in, it won't open my projects...
[08:05] <memoryleak> akk, now its runs again all the time
[08:05] <Reblended> astro yah I know... it can only play divx rips
[08:05] <whiskey_1> Reblended, well..i don't care about dvd...i only bought two of them....but some of these people are willing to pay and some just want to download the codecs and decryption for free from Hungary
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> trygvebw,  i was thinking there was some gnome-cam prog. :P
[08:06] <whiskey_1> Reblended, but it is none of my business
[08:06] <Reblended> whisk I guess, hungary, copywrite free...
[08:06] <MrParker> I own a computer store, just went to ubuntu on all demo machines in my store as microsoft threatened to sue me over something incredibly stupid
[08:06] <bestadvocate> woohoo i have started my first ripping!
[08:07] <MrParker> heya bestadvocate
[08:07] <MrParker> again :P
[08:07] <Reblended> so, I'd load this < http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=20075 > and my ubuntu would startup looking like it's loading OSX?
[08:07] <Reblended> best congrats
[08:07] <bestadvocate> whatsup
[08:07] <whiskey_1> MrParker, hey well don't think gnu won't sue you if you do something stupid
[08:07] <MrParker> not much, yourself?
[08:07] <trygvebw> Dr_Willis, google
[08:07] <x_or> I cannot find anything in the wiki for enabling SpamAssassin.  Anyone know how to find a howto?
[08:07] <bestadvocate> that took like 3 hours of messing around...
[08:07] <trygvebw> Reblended: yeah
[08:07] <MrParker> whiskey_1 I'm not doing anything stupid, microsoft is :P
[08:07] <whiskey_1> MrParker, well ok
[08:07] <lunitik> MrParker: possible to ask what they wanted to sue for?
[08:08] <Reblended> trygvebw cool! so from the very moment I press the pwr button... all os x?
[08:08] <bestadvocate> MrParker:still havent done that paper :-0
[08:08] <trygvebw> x_or: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22362
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> trygvebw,  silly trygvebw  google's not a webcam program.. its a search engine. :P
[08:08] <Reblended> try thx
[08:08] <thoreauputic> for anyone interested - mandrakesoft has changed its name to mandriva
[08:08] <MrParker> Yeah, we buy used computers from wholesalers that come with COAs affixed to them. Our wholesaler told us this was license to put windows 98 on them. So we did.
[08:08] <trygvebw> Dr_Willis, XD
[08:08] <lunitik> thoreauputic: hahaha
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> trygvebw,  actually i was thinkig i saw some prog in the default gnome menus.. but cant find it now.
[08:08] <thoreauputic> mandrake+ connectiva
[08:08] <Reblended> and next mandriva >  monrovia?
[08:08] <MrParker> As the computers were supposed to be licensed themselves for 98
[08:08] <trygvebw> Dr_Willis, moment...
[08:08] <thoreauputic> lunitik: true - just got an email from them :)
[08:09] <MrParker> According to microsoft the COA isn't considered a license without the original manual of all things.
[08:09] <lunitik> thoreauputic: sounds pretty lame... but hey... its better than Madrakesoft
[08:09] <trygvebw> Dr_Willis, http://camorama.fixedgear.org/
[08:09] <MrParker> So without transfer of ownership of the MANUAL we cant load 98 on the machines
[08:09] <whiskey_1> MrParker, well win98 is a sunk cost for me...so we got it all working with free software
[08:09] <lunitik> uh... mandrakesoft
[08:09] <Reblended> trygvebw uhh, the 22362 thread, this is thunderbird banter?
[08:09] <MrParker> however XP will not run on these machines, they're old
[08:09] <thoreauputic> lunitik: haha - yes it's an improvement I guess
[08:09] <MrParker> and they dont offer an option to buy a COA for 98 either
[08:09] <whiskey_1> MrParker, and thanks to clamav for windows and clam mail for windows it works quite well
[08:09] <MrParker> as they dont support it
[08:09] <trygvebw> Reblended: Oh, maybe, moment...
[08:10] <Reblended> =] 
[08:10] <trygvebw> hm
[08:10] <trygvebw> It should already be integrated, but...
[08:10] <MrParker> I figured just use ubuntu for demo
[08:10] <trygvebw> i'm testing
[08:10] <vessuvius> trygvebw do you think 20 GB is plenty for /?
[08:10] <trygvebw> vessuvius, yup, more than enough :)
[08:10] <kebikata> vessuvius: is it your only partition?
[08:11] <enntee> Anyone else having an issue using the flash plugin in Hoary? Every flash enabled website crashes the browser when I have it installed?
[08:11] <Reblended> yo whiskey  http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/rawwrite/dd.htm
[08:11] <vessuvius> kebikata... no, /, swap, 50GB for /var, 200 GB for /home, then I'll have a backup partition
[08:11] <trygvebw> enntee: Have you installed it using the Ubuntuguide HOWTO?
[08:11] <kebikata> vessuvius: weird, why do you split them up like that?
[08:11] <alexsmith> Okay - I have a problem..  ndiswrapper -l says net8180 driver present, hardware present. modprobe ndiswrapper gives a strange error in dmesg: http://rafb.net/paste/results/t2MXE481.html
[08:11] <enntee> trygvebw: yep
[08:12] <trygvebw> kebikata, he thinks it is a good way :)
[08:12] <trygvebw> but maybe it is :)
[08:12] <vessuvius> if a sector goes bad, it usually just happens on one partition
[08:12] <kebikata> well, that's sort of obvious.
[08:12] <bestadvocate> well my computer seems to be handeling rhythembox running with a dvd ripping and a cd ripping and 2 downloads + xchat fairly well
[08:12] <kebikata> what i was asking was WHY
[08:12] <trygvebw> :P
[08:12] <vessuvius> so if they are split, you can recover your data even if say /boot goes to hell
[08:13] <Jefis> How to disable automatic pppoe connection on boot?
[08:13] <trygvebw> hm... suddenly became quit here :P
[08:13] <vessuvius> even on windows I had system partition and a data partition... so if I screwed up something and wanted to rebuild, I could just reinstall the os on the one partition, and all my data would still be on the data partition
[08:13] <trygvebw> *quiet
[08:13] <vessuvius> no need to backup
[08:14] <Jefis> How to disable automatic pppoe connection on boot?
[08:14] <Jefis> :)
[08:14] <vessuvius> so I went from win2k to xp, and never had to backup any of my records that were on the data partition
[08:14] <trygvebw> Jefis: Try asking on the forums :)
[08:15] <vessuvius> make sense?
[08:15] <inva|id> sig, I got it to work with uptime | cut -b 11-
[08:15] <trygvebw> vessuvius, make sense: no such target: sense
[08:15] <trygvebw> XD
[08:15] <vessuvius> hehe
[08:16] <bestadvocate> i should close some programs i dont need.....
[08:16] <vessuvius> that's why I backup to fat... so I can always just throw it in a windows machine and get it back
[08:18] <Bauhn> Can anyone help me with configuring so that when i double-click on a directory it doesn't open in a new window..? i got some help before, but couldn't solve it then
[08:18] <Jefis> How to disable automatic pppoe connection on boot? :)
[08:18] <glide4him9> NickServ REGISTER glide4him9
[08:18] <trygvebw> Bauhn: moment...
[08:19] <Nekohayo> ...
[08:19] <farias> No manjo nada
[08:20] <farias> Nem sei o que fazer, pois  o primeiro contato.
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> Drat - My QUickCamMessenger - is aparently not well supported in linux.
[08:21] <farias> Se algum puder que ajudar que se habilite.
[08:21] <akk> Webcams are such a problem in linux.
[08:21] <whiskey_1> Reblended, just remember Microsoft wants their money and gnu wants their intellectual improvements and you can get sued either way
[08:21] <farias> De preferencia em Portugues do Brazil.
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> akk,  heck - they tend to be a probem in windows as well
[08:21] <davix> what neat games can I get for linux, such as Enemy Territory?
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> Best Webcam I got for windows -- is the PS/2 Eye TOy! ;P
[08:21] <trygvebw> XD
[08:21] <trygvebw> davix: Look at happy penguin
[08:22] <davix> will do, tnx
[08:22] <davix> url?
[08:22] <farias> No sei usar o menu para entrar no Windows.
[08:22] <Rebroad> ah... anyone here want any help getting luminocity working?
[08:22] <trygvebw> davix: http://www.happypenguin.org/
[08:22] <CarlK> booted from the live CD, it errored, no more blanks handy so I can't just burn another - but I have the ISO on the local drive: umount /cdrom, mount /hda4... mount -o loop hda4.../hoary-live.iso - get "mount: could not find a spare loop device" - Is there something I can do about this?
[08:23] <trygvebw> How did it error? Which error?
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> CarlK,  what are you planng on doing with the live cd anyway?
[08:23] <CarlK> read error, fails md5sum
[08:23] <farias> Wall
[08:23] <CarlK> runing glxgears to see if it is any better than my gentoo install
[08:24] <farias> Tank you
[08:24] <Dr_Willis> CarlK,  what video card you got anyway?
[08:24] <trygvebw> CarlK, you need to install 3D drivers to get 3D-accel
[08:24] <CarlK> i810
[08:24] <Dr_Willis> CarlK,  UGH!
[08:24] <Dr_Willis> :P
[08:24] <CarlK> indeed.
[08:25] <Dr_Willis> so one may get ya 20. vs 21 :P
[08:25] <trygvebw> XD
[08:25] <CarlK> i get 30fps woo!
[08:25] <trygvebw> :P
[08:25] <x_or> I'm having trouble logging into imap.  I see mail properly (I assume properly) when I use mail as the mail client.  However, thunderbird cannot login (password refused) to the imap server.  Anyone know how to troubleshoot?
[08:26] <GhostFreeman> what time for Hoary final tomorrow?
[08:26] <trygvebw> GhostFreeman: You should ask on #ubuntu-devel
[08:26] <Earthen> is there a repository where i can apt-get open office 2.0
[08:26] <CarlK> no, you shoulnt ;)
[08:26] <trygvebw> Earthen: The official Ubuntu Hoary
[08:27] <CarlK> or... lets all go ask and watch the fireworks!
[08:27] <Earthen> mmm i didn't see it there
[08:27] <trygvebw> sudo apt-get install openoffice.org2
[08:28] <Rebroad> what does openoffice2 do that openoffice1 doesn't?
[08:28] <Dr_Willis> Its a higher version # - so its better!
[08:28] <Dr_Willis> :P
[08:28] <trygvebw> Rebroad: Lots of things, improved usability, userfriendly-ity, supports more formats like OpenDocument etc.
[08:29] <Reblended> soon, I will say bye bye XPatooie
[08:29] <Earthen> it can open worperfict files
[08:29] <Rebroad> Dr_Willis: and you are a doctor of....?
[08:29] <Reblended> Dr of bruce
[08:29] <trygvebw> Earthen: I think so, *checking*
[08:29] <Earthen> wordperfict
[08:29] <LeeColleton> my computer has a CF reader built into it.  How can I make CF media automount on insert?  Right now I'm using "pmount -t vfat /dev/hde1" and it's a PITA
[08:29] <Reblended> i love pita bread
[08:29] <CarlK> LeeColleton - is it a toshiba laptop 6100?
[08:29] <trygvebw> Earthen: Yes, it can :)
[08:29] <Reblended> and you love Bruce Willis?
[08:30] <hone> CarlK, I have an ibm with one
[08:30] <kkathman> greetings all :)
[08:30] <nydust> when i am running dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b i get make *** path error 2 how do i correct this
[08:30] <Earthen> yeah i know thats the differance between 2.0 and the older one
[08:30] <Rebroad> I can't believe I've been spending days using jhbuild to download, configure, compile and install 215 packages when I only needed it to do 17...
[08:30] <LeeColleton> CarlK: no it's an IBM X30
[08:30] <CarlK> I hear the 6100's is some priorty thingy that has no documentaion, so no open source support :(
[08:31] <hone> CarlK: yeah I have an ibm x31, can't get it to automount either
[08:31] <Reblended> whiskey... intellectual improvements? aka: outhinking microsoft?
[08:31] <LeeColleton> CarlK: the CF drive works through a PCMCIA interface
[08:31] <Reblended> True is it not, that Microsft uses a linux server for their email?
[08:31] <kkathman> I am trying to copy files from an samba share (i.e. a windows box) to my linux box and its giving me an access denied message, how can I fix this...I've tried to get to the smb:// share itself and change permissions and for some reason it keeps trying to get me to change the name
[08:31] <Rebroad> Reblended: it might be
[08:31] <t3rror> what do you all use to display system information on your desktop?
[08:31] <eric__> hey hoary is still full of bugs guys
[08:32] <CarlK> well, mine looks like a USB device (i think) but lsusb doesn't even show a device, jsut a 3rd usb hub
[08:32] <Rebroad> Reblended: when they first took over hotmail, they tried to port it to MS servers, and had to revert back to linux
[08:32] <Dr_Willis> "True is it not   "     <-- A Jedi Soon You will be..
[08:32] <thoreauputic> t3rror: GKrellM
[08:32] <Reblended> this is of course, back in the early NT days... when their server would bog at 50%
[08:32] <Dr_Willis> :P
[08:32] <kkathman> eric__,  well name me a piece of software that doesnt have bugs :)
[08:32] <t3rror> i was wanting something that listed cpu usage, mem usage, network usage, disk space, time, weather, that kind of shit
[08:32] <Reblended> LOL yes, rebroad.. that's the time
[08:32] <Reblended> so windows will just be another linux rewrite one of these days
[08:32] <TSWoodV> t3rror: gkrellm
[08:32] <Dr_Willis> Reblended,  i doubt that.
[08:32] <thoreauputic> t3rror: GKrellM
[08:32] <kkathman> t3rror, I use gkrellm
[08:33] <Reblended> oh good, whew
[08:33] <eric__> kkatchman : well I don't expect it to be bug free I expect that when installing a package it works or at least near to..
[08:33] <trygvebw> kkathman, TeX :D:D:D
[08:33] <TSWoodV> t3rror: There is a gnome weather applet too.
[08:33] <t3rror> sweet, thanks
[08:33] <kkathman> trygvebw, ??
[08:33] <Rebroad> Reblended: Windows is becoming more like linux, and linux is becoming more like MS Windows in various ways
[08:33] <hone> LeeColleton: can you get yours to mount w/ the label?
[08:33] <Reblended> TSWoodV yes, I saw it in the mepis live cd.
[08:33] <hone> LeeColleton: or dowe have to specify it
[08:33] <thoreauputic> the gnome weather applet works fine
[08:33] <Reblended> Rebroad, is the meld bad?
[08:33] <trygvebw> kkathman, just kidding :)
[08:33] <t3rror> i will look for that also
[08:33] <TSWoodV> eric__: Been on hoary for months.  No big problems installing anything.
[08:33] <Reblended> Rebroad: it's a fact, whom you hate you emulate
[08:34] <kkathman> eric__, which package are you having issues with?
[08:34] <sime_> hrm, 5.04 release candidate ? Wasn't there a candidate on the 30/31 of March ?
[08:34] <trygvebw> TSWoodV, same here
[08:34] <trygvebw> sime_, yes
[08:34] <eric__> kkatchman : not only hoarty installed apache 1.3 AND apache 2, that leads to massive conflicts, but the php4-common package refused to install because /usr/share/doc/php4-common/php.ini wasn't existing I had to create a blank one first
[08:34] <sime_> trans_err, rc2 ?
[08:34] <thoreauputic> t3rror: just right click the panel, choose the weather applet
[08:34] <Rebroad> Reblended: well, not always, but when it's competition, usually
[08:34] <trygvebw> sime_, there is no rc2
[08:34] <Reblended> Re =] 
[08:34] <TSWoodV> eric__: How are you installing stuff?  What repos are you using
[08:35] <kkathman> so anyway, can anyone tell me how to change permissions on a samba share?
[08:35] <Rebroad> Reblended: like you emulated the first 3 letters of my nick..? :)
[08:35] <eric__> the default ones TSWoodV, universe and others
[08:35] <kkathman> Im just trying to copy a file from my windows box over to linux
[08:35] <sime_> trygvebw, then dates busted on the front page of ubuntu:  "5.04 Release Candidate available!  2005-04-07"
[08:35] <eric__> TSWoodV : I just uncommented /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:35] <Rebroad> kkathman: don't try. do :)
[08:35] <Reblended> Rebroad: you were first, yes. but I did not know your nick until today... I'm from #blender
[08:35] <Schn> what's the kernel to be in the 5.04 release?
[08:35] <trygvebw> sime_, no, that's just todays date :)
[08:35] <TSWoodV> kkathman: First off, have you added your smb user via smbpasswd?
[08:35] <trygvebw> Schn, 2.6.11
[08:35] <Reblended> #blender heads laud ubuntu
[08:36] <Rebroad> Reblended: "laud"?
[08:36] <sime_> trygvebw, but it should be the date of the news item... like the rest of the news posts
[08:36] <Reblended> laud = high praise
[08:36] <nydust> what app do i use to connect on remote desktop (client)
[08:36] <Schn> trygvebw: thx, 2.6.11 is fassst
[08:36] <Etapien> whats the default password while using the live cd
[08:36] <kkathman> TSWoodV not sure, I used to be able to do this when I first installed Ubuntu with no probs with no passwords
[08:36] <Rebroad> why is it that smbfs causes apps to freeze when the network gets unplugged?
[08:36] <trygvebw> sime_, then maybe it's the last time it's updated :)
[08:36] <Etapien> like to unlock the screen saver
[08:36] <trygvebw> because there was no RC today :)
[08:36] <Rebroad> nydust: I like grdesktop
[08:36] <hone> Schn: faster than what?
[08:36] <Reblended> opensource free dictionary?
[08:36] <kkathman> Rebroad, hehe thanks Yoda :)   I wish to, let me put it that way :)
[08:36] <TSWoodV> kkathman: My bad.  You're accessing a Windows share via Samba, not sharing to a Windows box, right?
[08:37] <Schn> hone: faster than 2.6.10
[08:37] <yfir> anyone had any luck getting gmailfs to work?
[08:37] <Rebroad> yfir: i tried but failed
[08:37] <hone> Schn: really/
[08:37] <hone> Schn: what are the changes?
[08:37] <kkathman> TSWoodV  yes....just trying to move a file from a windows box on my local network from there to my linux box
[08:37] <yfir> Rebroad: me too. I wonder if it's something Google has changed on their end...
[08:37] <sig> yfir: use gmail-notify in repo's
[08:37] <Rebroad> yfir: Did you get "fusermount: old style mounting not supported"?
[08:37] <Reblended> kkat email?
[08:38] <Schn> hone: i tried with kanotix, both kernels, it boots aprox 3 secs faster with .11
[08:38] <TSWoodV> kkathman: Does your linux password match your Windows password?
[08:38] <Reblended> i've used AIM to move files...
[08:38] <hone> Schn: oh nice
[08:38] <kkathman> Reblended, email?
[08:38] <Reblended> windows with zonealarm can get stuffy
[08:38] <hone> Schn: I should compile a 2.6.11 kernel then
[08:38] <Schn> hone: lets see what happens with ubuntu
[08:38] <hone> Schn: ok
[08:38] <Reblended> kkathman: it can get so painful moving files with XP...
[08:38] <Rebroad> anyone know an easy way to set up "internet connection sharing" on ubuntu ?
[08:38] <Reblended> or get it to communicate with even another xp machine...
[08:38] <keffo> hmm. anyone knows what the iconname for 'unknown document
[08:39] <vessuvius> Will a  samba share show up for someone on OS X? Or will I need something special for those users?
[08:39] <eric__> Rebroad : shorewall howto ??
[08:39] <Reblended> I"ve use AIM to move files. lol
[08:39] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: install firestarter] 
[08:39] <Rebroad> eirc__: ta
[08:39] <Rebroad> thoreauputic: I tried firestarter, but it didn't offer a share option
[08:39] <Rebroad> eric__:a
[08:39] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: it does here
[08:39] <kkathman> TSWoodV, this morning I did a chown on my htdocs directory from root. Im suspcious that this might have messed up the access
[08:39] <Rebroad> eric__: ta
[08:39] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: one click and you have NAT
[08:39] <eric__> Rebroad : ?
[08:40] <kkathman> TSWoodV, I simply got tired of being blocked using Konqueror to move files around
[08:40] <Rebroad> eric__, thoreauputic: which is better? firestarter or shorewall?
[08:40] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: never tried shorewall
[08:40] <kiwnix> shorewall is more powerfull
[08:41] <vessuvius> does anyone here use anything besides bind for dns?
[08:41] <eric__> but vim-based ;)
[08:41] <Rebroad> kiwnix: well, they both use iptables, don't they?
[08:41] <whiskey_1> Reblended, no...this is a serious issue....if you get caught using linux (mostly gnu) and trying to create anything commercial without also distributing your intellectual improvements (source) for free...you will be in trouble.
[08:41] <kiwnix> Rebroad, yes, but shorewall is more configurable, exposes more iptables options
[08:42] <Rebroad> whiskey_1: only if you try to include GPL source code
[08:42] <Reblended> whiskey you are referring to exclusively programming... not flash fla's etc
[08:42] <whiskey_1> Reblended, you either pay with money or you pay with your intellectual improvements....get it
[08:42] <Reblended> got it
[08:42] <thoreauputic> whiskey_1: and only if you redistribute
[08:42] <Rebroad> kiwnix: ah. thanks
[08:42] <whiskey_1> thoreauputic, yes
[08:42] <frank__> Hey I just installed Ubuntu (AMD64) for the first time!
[08:42] <kiwnix> Reblended, but... firestarter is easyer
[08:42] <trygvebw-away> frank__, congrats :)
[08:43] <Rebroad> whiskey_1: you can use GPL apps, to create your commercial product
[08:43] <topyli> it depends on how complicated a setup you are trying to do. something like firestarter will make a nice iptables setup for any normal home lan
[08:43] <Reblended> whiskey so, THAT's why the linux companies have to offer source and services
[08:43] <Rebroad> whiskey_1: but you can't modify existing GPL products and re-sell them as commercial
[08:43] <LeeColleton> hone: I don't think the disk is labled (blank in properties), but I can specify a folder in /media
[08:43] <trygvebw-away> Rebroad, but then your product has to be GPL'ed too
[08:43] <Reblended> firestarter? can't find it... only flash firestarter
[08:43] <Rebroad> no.. only has to be GPLed if it is a modification of a GPL product
[08:43] <Reblended> Rebroad: I've heard of people selling Blender and saying it's a commercial 3D package
[08:44] <kiwnix> Reblended, 500 http://es.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages <- apt-cache policy firestarter
[08:44] <trygvebw-away> Rebroad: Oh?
[08:44] <Rebroad> is Blender a modification of an original GPL product? i.e. obtained through the GPL?
[08:44] <Reblended> whiskey_1 what about selling software under GNU and also giving the source?
[08:44] <trygvebw-away> Rebroad: You know PearPCvsCherryOS?
[08:44] <trygvebw-away> Blender is GPL
[08:44] <thoreauputic> Reblended: firestarter is in universe
[08:44] <Reblended> tgx
[08:44] <Rebroad> because it's possible for products to be dual licensed - where there's a GPL version, and a non-GPL version that can be sold
[08:44] <trygvebw-away> Reblended: That's possible
[08:44] <frank__> Is it supposed to be possible to install any package from  debian testing/unstable?
[08:45] <kiwnix> for example QT has dual license
[08:45] <kkathman> frank__, theortetically, yes
[08:45] <Reblended> so, that's what makes GNU keep alive and shared... I still like it
[08:45] <frank__> in reality?
[08:45] <thoreauputic> frank__: no
[08:45] <trygvebw-away> frank__: yes, but packages from the ubuntu repos whihc includes most are recommended
[08:45] <kiwnix> Fracture, possible... but i think not recomended (You can trash your system)
[08:45] <eric__> hey I got a problem with apache server; I don't know why but php isn't working, I added a handler for php and added index.php to the list of indexes..  but still don't work..  and I couldn't find anything in the logs
[08:45] <kiwnix> mmm, frank_ sorry
[08:45] <kkathman> frank__, its like there may be differences occassionally, so it isnt an absolute yes
[08:45] <trygvebw-away> kiwnix, you mean frank__, right :P
[08:45] <thoreauputic> frank__: risky to use debian packages
[08:45] <frank__> ok
[08:46] <Reblended> white lightening_1: I have no programming knowledge to share (yet) but one day, I will contribute =] 
[08:46] <beowuff> Is there a switch to synaptic to use ubuntu packages by default, and ONLY use debian if the ubuntu doesn't exist?
[08:46] <kkathman> thoreauputic, I havent had any probs with the few that I have done...why would there be probs...they are just deb packages
[08:46] <trygvebw-away> frank__, as long as you don't replace important system packages, all will be OK :)
[08:46] <trygvebw-away> kkathman, well, but deb packages are unpacked to being programs or libraries :)
[08:47] <Reblended> apt-get install shorewall ? and this is similar to zonealarm? (net access control and request)
[08:47] <thoreauputic> kkathman: because some ubuntu packages have extras and can cause issues, and because it can do weird stuff to updates
[08:47] <frank__> if I try to install a 32bit package, will it get the relevant 32bit libraries?
[08:47] <trygvebw-away> frank__: what do you mean?
[08:47] <Reblended> whiskey: question.. so what about offering a software for linux created on a windows machine? thus not offering source?
[08:47] <kkathman> thoreauputic, and thats why you check before you dpkg (dpkg by the way is Debian unpkg) hehe
[08:47] <kiwnix> Reblended, if you want zonealarm-like, firestarter is best suited
[08:47] <frank__> I have the AMD64 version
[08:47] <thoreauputic> kkathman: you can "pin" stuff
[08:47] <Rebroad> whiskey_1: for instance. you could write a commercial program in python (which is GPL) and sell it, but if you were to make modifications to python itself, then you would be required to distribute the modifications that you made to python.
[08:48] <mjr> Reblended, Rebroad, btw, Blender was originally a proprietary product, but the community bought it under the GPL for wasit 50 or 100k through donations
[08:48] <Reblended> kiwnix thx... so apt-get install firestarter
[08:48] <mjr> (dollars or euros, I forget)
[08:48] <kkathman> thoreauputic, lol there are ubuntu pkgs that dont install quite right even :)
[08:48] <thoreauputic> kkathman: I use debian -you don't need to explain dpkg to me :)
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> mjr,  yea - i recall itbeing comercial at one time.
[08:48] <frank__> And heard that to use the flash plugin, for example you need the 32bit version of firefox
[08:48] <Reblended> correct  euros, mjr
[08:48] <trygvebw-away> Reblended, Linux can run both closed and open-source programs, of coursse
[08:48] <kiwnix> Reblended, shorewall is more "tought and difficult"
[08:48] <Reblended> yep. but licensing was the question... l8r guys
[08:48] <Reblended> brb
[08:48] <Reblended> bl8rb
[08:48] <kkathman> thoreauputic, okie dokie :)
[08:49] <mjr> yes, 100k euros it seems
[08:49] <Rebroad> what is "blender"?
[08:49] <trygvebw-away> blender: 3D modeller
[08:49] <frank__> 3d ray tracing program i think
[08:50] <trygvebw-away> blender is like maya
[08:51] <LeeColleton> how do I relabel an existing VFAT volume?
[08:51] <Rebroad> I was right - what I said about writing commercial programs in python - wasn't i?
[08:51] <libben> how do i get this to play smoothly on ubuntu? http://www.enote.se/~honken/kittencannon.swf
[08:51] <trygvebw-away> Rebroad: What did you say? Python programs can be commercial.
[08:51] <libben> i can play it... but it lags... and stutters
[08:51] <Rebroad> I said "for instance. you could write a commercial program in python (which is GPL) and sell it, but if you were to make modifications to python itself, then you would be required to distribute the modifications that you made to python."
[08:51] <libben> i have flashplayer-mozilla
[08:52] <trygvebw-away> Rebroad: right :)
[08:52] <trygvebw-away> libben: It works fine here
[08:53] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: the GPL of course doesn't stop you selling a program - you just need to make the source available
[08:53] <Rebroad> thoreauputic: yes, but only the source to your python modifications - the source to your program can remain private.
[08:53] <vessuvius> GPL is just intended to stop people hiding behind a weird convergence of copyright and trade secret law that converges in software
[08:54] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: not if you want torelease it under the GPL
[08:54] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: that's the point of the GPL
[08:54] <libben> trygvebw-away, well... it dont plays smoothly for me... and my system is 40 times to being able to play it smothly... so i really wonder what im missing.
[08:54] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: you can release it under another license though
[08:54] <Rebroad> thoreauputic: if you release it under the GPL, then it's not commercial then.
[08:54] <vessuvius> copyright is supposed to give you a monopoly for a limited time as an incentive for you to make the work public... but if you only distribute binaries, you're not making the work public, and current law still lets you receive the monopoly benefits/
[08:55] <keffo> hmm. anyone knows what the iconname for 'unknown document' is? i mean.. i installed this icontheme-set, and if i name a file for example .blablabla the icon of .blablabla (since its not a know fileformat) gets very big.. just like it doesnt exsist
[08:55] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: nothing stops you from selling a GPL program
[08:55] <lunitik> vessuvius: more clearly; it is intended to ensure someone doesn't steal your code just because you give it away...
[08:55] <Rebroad> thoreauputic: i know. but if it's GPL then people can share it without purchasing it
[08:55] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: yes
[08:56] <lunitik> vessuvius: it is meant to ensure colaboration rather than allow others to keep their changes from others...
[08:56] <Rebroad> thoreauputic: so if you want to make money, you don't release it under GPL exclusively.
[08:56] <lunitik> vessuvius: Stallman's whole reasoning was because he hates that he couldn't fix a bug himself due to not having acess to sourcecode...
[08:56] <vessuvius> its meant to make you distribute the source so that you don't get monopoly profits without giving something to the public
[08:57] <lunitik> He wanted to ensure that wasn't possible again
[08:57] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: well, Mandrake for instance, or Redhat charge for their GPL distros
[08:57] <frank__> Yeah they make money off support
[08:58] <Rebroad> thoreauputic: admin costs I guess.. but it's legal to download it from another source if it's GPL
[08:58] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: but the idea is you are paying for the nice package and convenience
[08:58] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: yes
[08:58] <holycow> i love the gpl
[08:58] <lunitik> holycow: I like it in theory... although in practice, it is defended poorly
[08:58] <Rebroad> whereas Lindows OS, for instance, even though based on Linux would not be legal to download using edonkey without paying for it...
[08:58] <vessuvius> you don't have the right if someone is charging to use the software always though... making the source available for vieweing does not mean you make it available for running
[08:58] <frank__> Do the server distribution from redhat have proprietary configuration tools?
[08:59] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: Linspire *cough* *cough* charge for click-n-run downloads of stuff you can get with apt for nothing
[08:59] <libben> is there any bot in here that generates a log and paste all urls to it and updates it to an html?
[08:59] <vessuvius> Of course its tough with pirating etc
[08:59] <libben> urlbot in otherwords =)
[08:59] <holycow> the gpl idea was so far ahed of it's time, in retrospect rms is a genious
[08:59] <libben> would be nice and good... to be able to see all links in a channel.
[08:59] <holycow> what kind of computing world would it now be without gpl?
[08:59] <holycow> no source forge, no fresh meat
[08:59] <lunitik> Rebroad: its illegal for them to not offer the source code... they copyright the collection, not the parts
[08:59] <holycow> all of the internet run on proprietary software
[08:59] <holycow> man
[08:59] <lunitik> Rebroad: Fedora does the same.
[09:00] <lunitik> holycow: no
[09:00] <Shufla> hi
[09:00] <trygvebw-away> holycow: but msforge and msmeat :P
[09:00] <dnipro> hi
[09:00] <holycow> haha try
[09:00] <holycow> trygvebw-away, even
[09:00] <neighborlee> holycow, very expensive no doubt LOL..scary...
[09:00] <Rebroad> lunitik: "copyright the collection"? what do you mean?
[09:00] <lunitik> holycow: 70% of the internet uses at least one peice of open source code
[09:00] <holycow> neighborlee, *nod* very scary indeed
[09:00] <dnipro> first time here
[09:00] <Rebroad> erm.. tcpip is open source!
[09:00] <Rebroad> therefore 100% of the internet :>
[09:00] <guru3> lol
[09:00] <trygvebw-away> :P
[09:00] <lunitik> Rebroad: in Red Hat's case... you cannot copy the collection of all software... and you cannot copy there graphics...
[09:01] <dnipro> :-*
[09:01] <holycow> lunitik, yes, i should say that probably the net uses mostly stuff run on bsd licencing but regardless... it would be a very scary world indeed
[09:01] <dnipro> >:o
[09:01] <thoreauputic> holycow: apache is open-source >> 70%
[09:01] <lunitik> thoreauputic: I just said that
[09:01] <dnipro> anyone can help me for apache ?
[09:01] <Rebroad> lunitik: ah.. so it's not legal to edonkey redhat distros...?
[09:01] <trygvebw-away> dnipro, whats your problem?
[09:01] <thoreauputic> lunitik: oh, so sorry for repeating - please excuse my stupidity
[09:02] <lunitik> Rebroad: technically, no... not the RHEL software
[09:02] <dnipro> I would like to change the document root. I was previously on mandrake but on ubuntu it is not the same !
[09:02] <lunitik> thoreauputic: it is quiet alright... just dont' do it again  :P
[09:02] <guru3> dnipro: /etc/apache2/conf/ ?
[09:02] <lunitik> quite*
[09:02] <frank__> What is it about  RHEL that you cant distributr?
[09:02] <vessuvius> I keeping getting "sdb: assuming drive cache: write through" in the kernel... from my iPod I think
[09:02] <guru3> (or /etc/apache/conf/ if apache 1.x)
[09:02] <lunitik> frank__: the whole thing
[09:03] <dnipro> moment ...
[09:03] <lunitik> frank__: you can take the source code, compile it, and distribute that ....
[09:03] <InitMass> at which time will "final" be released?
[09:03] <frank__> Is it ALL opensource?
[09:03] <vessuvius> tomorrow, init
[09:03] <trygvebw-away> InitMass: As early ass possible, i guess :)
[09:03] <lunitik> InitMass: tomorrow
[09:03] <trygvebw-away> (tomorrow)
[09:03] <guru3> trygvebw-away: 'ass possible' ?
[09:03] <trygvebw-away> guru3: as possible, of course :P
[09:04] <guru3> ;)
[09:04] <InitMass> at 00 GMT?
[09:04] <lunitik> frank__: no... much is not in RHEL ... like Stronghold for instance... and their Application server... I do not believe you can get full source code for those
[09:04] <guru3> vessuvius: i read something about this once...
[09:04] <GhostFreeman> wtf
[09:04] <GhostFreeman> the new site looks ass uglu
[09:04] <Rebroad> i guess you could create a linux distro full of GPL software, but if you include one copyright picture with it, then the whole thing becomes copyright....?
[09:04] <GhostFreeman> ugly*
[09:04] <frank__> ok
[09:04] <dnipro> I am back is it on /etc/apache2/apache2.conf ?
[09:05] <guru3> dnipro: yeah
[09:05] <guru3> there should be, suprise, a DocumentRoot directive in there
[09:05] <holycow> back ... thoreauputic good point :)
[09:05] <frank__> On which debian is ubuntu based? testing or unstable?
[09:05] <guru3> but then also you must change the propertise of the new directory via a <Directory ...> directive
[09:05] <lunitik> GhostFreeman: it was voted on... should have taken part in the discussions ...
[09:05] <guru3> simply remaning the old one should suffice
[09:05] <zendog> can i ad the agnula repositories to a ubuntu warty system, without messing up too much?
[09:05] <trygvebw-away> frank: the part of it that is based on debian is based on unstable, i think
[09:06] <GhostFreeman> Oh god, my eyes :(
[09:06] <vessuvius> this whole install of software all I keep seeing every two or three lines "sdb: assuming drive cache: write through"
[09:06] <dnipro> and what do I have to change I didn't find the DocumentRoot I had ?
[09:06] <Rebroad> ubuntu hoary seems to be using a rather old gtk+ i notice...
[09:06] <frank__> So if I install a debian package, should I install unstable rather than testing?
[09:06] <trygvebw-away> Rebroad: Oh?
[09:06] <guru3> dnipro: sure there is no conf/ sub directory?
[09:06] <mikkel> err, what happened to the ubuntu-site?
[09:06] <trygvebw-away> frank__: For 3rd party packages it doesn't really matter, but choose unstable/SID if possible
[09:07] <trygvebw-away> mikkel: The design has been updated, and there is lots of visitors so it is slow
[09:07] <dcraven> I like the new website.
[09:07] <frank__> are there a lot of people running the AMD64 version?
[09:07] <zzyber> can i get comments on reiserfs vs ext3, i cant decide
[09:07] <mikkel> trygvebw-away: well, is it still running plone?
[09:07] <lunitik> frank__: i386 is more popular of course... but its used
[09:07] <trygvebw-away> mikkel: yes, but a much nicer skin :P
[09:07] <vessuvius> ewww
[09:08] <Rebroad> zzyber: I think reiserfs is better if you have lots of really small files, so i heard
[09:08] <mikkel> ah, okay :)
[09:08] <dcraven> zzyber, I just decided to use reiserfs in my last install. Usually I use ext3. Quite frankly I don't notice any difference.
[09:08] <guru3> zzyber: word is reiserfs is supposed to be better for smaller files
[09:08] <guru3> at least, i think that's what i remember
[09:08] <zzyber> Rebroad, yes a read that but what does many small files meen?
[09:08] <trygvebw-away> zzyber: i've always used reiserfs, and i think it's more stable
[09:09] <Rebroad> zzyber: no idea!
[09:09] <zzyber> dcraven, i have used both ext3 and reiserfs and i havent either noticed any diffrens
[09:09] <guru3> zzyber: snall files means < 4KB i think
[09:09] <beowuff> Where are the monthly wallpapers stored on the file system?
[09:09] <guru3> small too
[09:09] <trygvebw-away> zzyber: reiserfs' journal recovery/chkdsk is faster
[09:09] <trygvebw-away> beowuff: apt-get install ubuntu-calendar*
[09:10] <lunitik> beowuff: dpkg -L ubuntu-calendar
[09:10] <mikkel> is it harmful to use packages from the main debian repository?
[09:10] <frank__> is ntfs write useable?
[09:10] <beowuff> trygvebw-away: already installed. Just looking for them on the system.
[09:10] <lunitik> trygvebw-away: chances are he already has them installed...
[09:10] <vessuvius> It looks more like apple's site... the buttons I hate now
[09:10] <trygvebw-away> beowuff: They should be in the wallpaper selector already :)
[09:10] <zzyber> thanks for your input on reiserfs vs ext3.........hmm, how about reabillity?
[09:11] <thoreauputic> hmm...the screenshot thumbnails seem to have gone missing...
[09:11] <beowuff> trygvebw-away: not in the selector, but says installed...
[09:11] <libben> how to check ur ram mem info.. and no top
[09:11] <trygvebw-away> zzyber: /me has never had any problems with reiserfs at all :)
[09:11] <trygvebw-away> libben: ps? man ps
[09:12] <Rebroad> http://www.gurulabs.com/non-core-images/ext3-reiserfs-small-3-1.jpg
[09:12] <libben> i do mostly ps fuxa
[09:12] <Rebroad> http://www.gurulabs.com/non-core-images/ext3-reiserfs-small-1-1.jpg
[09:13] <lunitik> thoreauputic: you see: http://maitri.ubuntu.com/theopencd/ubuntu/img/ubuntu1_tn.jpg
[09:13] <neighborlee> anyone else getting ;Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.7167, but
[09:13] <neighborlee> this library is version 1.0.7174 < error today from update ??
[09:13] <lunitik> thoreauputic: cuz they are showing up fine here on the site...
[09:13] <lunitik> http://maitri.ubuntu.com/theopencd/ubuntu/img/ubuntu1.png
[09:13] <zzyber> wounder why so many distributions have ext3 as default? Redhat for example.........why choose ext3 as default if reiserfs is proven better and more stable? No i have used reiserfs and i havent had any problems, now i have a brand new disk and are going for a fresh installation, i think i will go for ext3
[09:13] <lunitik> Still want to know why that has a Debian menu
[09:13] <Jefis> how to disable default pppoe connection && and startup on boot
[09:13] <Jefis> ?
[09:13] <thoreauputic> lunitik: looking now
[09:14] <Rebroad> ext3 is an extension to ext2, whereas reiserfs was written from scratch with journalling in mind, so I'd expect reiserfs to be better.... I'm using ext3 on my system :)
[09:14] <trygvebw-away> lunitik: search the forums :)
[09:14] <drewcore> hi. i installed hoary a few days ago, and then started using xfce and fluxbox... now, all of my gnome apps start really slowly (maybe two minutes to load... i can sudo users-admin and check my email before it ever opens). any ideas?
[09:14] <yfir> zzyber: ext3 is older and more established. both reiser and ext3 are rock solid, so don't worry too much about your choice.
[09:15] <Jefis> how to disable default pppoe connection && and startup on boot
[09:15] <yfir> zzyber: if you do ALOT of small file exchanges theoretically Reiser is the choice, not sure what that means though
[09:15] <zzyber> yfir, you are probably right, tough choice when there are no choice :-) Maybe i go for a FAT :-)
[09:15] <neighborlee> zzyber, one could take a que from linspire possibly..they ship  with reiser4 which they 'claim' is unbreakable and they charge for their OS..if its good enough for them somehow I trust it....I use reiser4 here in hoary and ic no problems although i've not been running it for long periods yet
[09:15] <thoreauputic> lunitik: I see the thumbnails on the link, but they don't show on the main site at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/screenshots/
[09:16] <lunitik> thoreauputic: I see them... strange
[09:17] <zzyber> neighborlee, thanks for that! Yes that was a good argument.
[09:17] <lunitik> trygvebw-away: I see nothing about it... other then questions about how to add it... not about why it is there...
[09:18] <yfir> zzyber: i've used both reiser and ext3 on this particular laptop since the warty RC. no problems at all, and no noticeable difference. just pick one :)
[09:18] <neighborlee> zzyber,np glad I could be of service ;-)
[09:18] <Rebroad> anyone know how to get around "/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a(glxcmds.o)(.text+0x2eea): In function `glXGetMscRateOML':: undefined reference to `XF86VidModeQueryVersion'
[09:18] <Rebroad> " please??
[09:18] <thoreauputic> lunitik: even weirder - they render in dillo but not in firefox!
[09:18] <lunitik> thoreauputic: haha... I'm using Firefox here...
[09:19] <neighborlee> to me reiser seems much faster and the data tests seem to back that up...
[09:19] <jintxo> hey guys what's the better ftp server in hoary (with security in mind)? there's quite a few of them :-p
[09:19] <PLAYBOY^> Greetings to all can give me any good sites with music
[09:19] <lunitik> thoreauputic: that is strange though... I say... just kick your puter a few times  :P
[09:19] <thoreauputic> lunitik: I just tried both
[09:19] <thoreauputic> lunitik: I'm giving it a lecture and telling it to straighten up ;)
[09:20] <neighborlee> PLAYBOY^, http://www.heartseed.org/TheCarpenters
[09:20] <lunitik> :P
[09:20] <lunitik> thoreauputic: :P
[09:20] <PLAYBOY^> neighborlee thanks
[09:20] <neighborlee> PLAYBOY^, you betcha
[09:20] <whiskey_1> hey neighborlee still doing that heartseed thing
[09:20] <lunitik> PLAYBOY^: shoutcast.com
[09:20] <whiskey_1> you still hung up on them Carpenters
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[09:21] <Shufla> re
[09:22] <whiskey_1> neighborlee, how is your game coming along
[09:22] <beowuff> I'm surprised all the ubuntu monthly wallpapers have mostly nude people on them... I thought there'd be more variety...
[09:22] <Shufla> beowuff: don't you know, that linux is sexy? :D
[09:23] <guru3> beowuff: lol
[09:23] <beowuff> Shufla, yes, but how am I to explain that to my girlfriend?
[09:23] <neighborlee> whiskey_1, its going very well thx..
[09:24] <whiskey_1> neighborlee, hey glad to hear that...
[09:24] <[Phaedrus] > hehe.... beowuff
[09:24] <[Phaedrus] > she questions you about a wallpaper?
[09:24] <beowuff> Phaedrus, Um... yes... she's a little bit self concious
[09:24] <Shufla> beowuff: huh. don't you know, that linux zealots do not have g-f? :>
[09:24] <Shufla> brb
[09:25] <[Phaedrus] > she sounds like a keeper beowuff
[09:25] <CarlK> what is the apt-cache command to show me what provides nsupdate?
[09:25] <thoreauputic> lunitik: bizarre - dillo and firefox are giving me different default renderings for ubuntulinux.org (picture in dillo, none in firefox...) :/
[09:25] <eric__> I have a really really weird issue with the apache/php server in ubuntu, php isn't verbose at all !  I don't know what
[09:25] <neighborlee> whiskey_1, long road but someone must do it <wink>
[09:25] <whiskey_1> neighborlee, that is right
[09:25] <eric__> what's the problem, in warty it was all working, now I transpose to hoary and nothing works :(
[09:25] <Jefis> How to disable automatic pppoe internet connection & configuration
[09:25] <beowuff> Phaedrus, She actually said something to the effect of "If your going to have a mostly nude girl on your screen, I'd prefer it was me."
[09:25] <CarlK> according to http://linux.yyz.us/nsupdate, "you will need to install both the bind (for dnssec-keygen) and bind-utils (for nsupdate)" but bind-utils didn't seem to do it for me
[09:26] <Bazzi-> beowuff then make it so.
[09:26] <[Phaedrus] > beowuff, perfect... tell me you jumped at the chance
[09:26] <Jefis> How to disable automatic pppoe internet connection & configuration
[09:26] <Jefis> How to disable automatic pppoe internet connection & configuration
[09:26] <lunitik> thoreauputic: you have images from outside sites or whatever turned off in Firefox?
[09:26] <nooneyouknow> http://www.trash80.net/
[09:26] <CarlK> no way
[09:26] <nooneyouknow> good site with music PLAYBOY^
[09:26] <libben> any graphical way to unpack rar?
[09:26] <lunitik> thoreauputic: cuz they aren't coming directly from ubuntulinux.org ...
[09:26] <thoreauputic> lunitik: aha - good thinking! I probably do - checking
[09:27] <beowuff> I actually was hoping for a way to mix the pictures up a bit. That's why I was looking forward to monthly pics... But I'll have to look for another way now. Besides, I get to see her IRL. Why would I want to put up a pic?
[09:27] <nooneyouknow> PLAYBOY^, you heard of darwinia? its the bloke wo does the music.
[09:27] <PLAYBOY^> yea
[09:27] <nooneyouknow> you should listen to the trusk stuff. its fucking great. im listening to it now
[09:27] <PLAYBOY^> :)
[09:27] <PLAYBOY^> ok
[09:28] <[Phaedrus] > beowuff: hope someone puts up some wallpapers for you
[09:28] <Shufla> funny...
[09:28] <Shufla> I've got mouse with clickable wheel
[09:28] <Shufla> plugged into PS/2
[09:28] <trygvebw-away> Shufla: haven't everyone got one?
[09:28] <trygvebw-away> :P
[09:28] <Shufla> wheel (but 4/5) works well, but 3rd one do not work...
[09:28] <trygvebw-away> O_o
[09:28] <libben> should i install mplayer also? even though i can play the most formats with totem?
[09:28] <thoreauputic> lunitik: yup - that was it - thanks for the tip: i do that to block annoying ads on some sites :)
[09:28] <beowuff> Phaedrus, I wonder how hard it would be to port ubuntu's monthly pics to make beowuff's monthly pics...
[09:28] <libben> i wanted to play a vob file..
[09:28] <randy> Hello all.
[09:29] <nooneyouknow> hello.
[09:29] <thoreauputic> lunitik: firefox is now behaving itself ;-)
[09:29] <nooneyouknow> does anyone know how to set the permissions on a reiferfs partition so a user can write to it?
[09:29] <lunitik> thoreauputic: haha... you know there is an AdBlocker extension?
[09:29] <trygvebw-away> nooneyouknow, add user to the permissions
[09:29] <nooneyouknow> it doesnt say in the fstab or mount man and i cant seem to do it.
[09:29] <nooneyouknow> really?
[09:30] <nooneyouknow> that only seems to let me read it.
[09:30] <nooneyouknow> ah, wait.
[09:30] <nooneyouknow> maybe ive done something really dumb.
[09:30] <nooneyouknow> cheers trygvebw-away
[09:30] <thoreauputic> lunitik: yeah, I have that too - and the flash block extension - i just wasn't remembering the option for pictures
[09:30] <trygvebw-away> :)
[09:30] <[Phaedrus] > beowuff: i havent even seen the monthly pics... i am trying to find them as we speak
[09:30] <Insanitary> Hi. I have a problem. I donwloaded the haory live CD, and well...i have a lucent WinModem, and it does not seem to pick up my modem
[09:31] <Insanitary> Is there an external app that may fix tis?
[09:31] <randy> In Redhat I had a /etc/rc.d/init.d/rc.local startup script that ran stuff at boot.  How would I do this in Ubuntu (Hoary Hedgehog)?  I can't see that the dir exists.
[09:31] <SirFred> Hello.
[09:31] <thoreauputic> lunitik: I used to use a hosts file with bad guys redirected to 127.0.0.1 as well - but I don't bother any more
[09:31] <SirFred> Is k3b supported here or should I better ask in #kubuntu ?
[09:31] <e_machinist> Anyone else having trouble with the Ubuntu website?
[09:31] <trygvebw-away> SirFred: i use k3b
[09:31] <SirFred> Perhaps it's not a k3b problem, anyway.
[09:32] <trygvebw-away> e_machinist, it's design is being updated and there is a lot of load
[09:32] <trygvebw-away> i can access it fine, though.
[09:32] <SirFred> trygvebw-away: My problem is that it gets stuck on the "Scanning for CD devices"
[09:32] <trygvebw-away> SirFred: Are you running it as root or normal user
[09:32] <e_machinist> trygvebw-away, hmm... the new website doesn't seem to be optimized for standards compliant browsers like Opera yet.
[09:32] <SirFred> trygvebw-away: The process got deeply locked in kernel. D state.
[09:32] <zzyber> i found a good site on reiserfs vs ext3 thing! http://staff.osuosl.org/~kveton/fs/
[09:32] <SirFred> trygvebw-away: As normal user.
[09:33] <lunitik> http://channels.debian.net/paste/  <-- someone should do something like this for #ubuntu ... pretty cool... and notifies the channel of what they pasted... so what happened yesturday (having to go find the dudes paste myself) doesn't happen anymore...
[09:33] <SirFred> trygvebw-away: Then I tried as root, but a pair of k3b processes were locked in the kernel yet.
[09:33] <SirFred> I mean where already locked in kernel.
[09:33] <trygvebw-away> e_machinist, oh? i can access it all fine
[09:33] <trygvebw-away> with opera and firefox
[09:33] <zzyber> seems that reiserfs should be the choice and its a lot of development there,
[09:33] <beowuff> I did a search in synaptic for ubuntu. Came up with ubuntu calander and each individual month. When installed, it put them under /usr/share/backgrounds.
[09:34] <nakata> hmm, amarok doesn't seem to be able to play mp3s ... am i missing something?
[09:34] <trygvebw-away> ubuntu release time: http://www.distrotalk.net/viewtopic.php?t=404
[09:34] <libben> any graphical way to unpack rar alot of rar files?
[09:34] <thoreauputic> e_machinist: it is compliant - i checked it with dillo
[09:34] <e_machinist> trygvebw-away, I can access it, there are some formatting problems and some gateway problems though.
[09:34] <trygvebw-away> nakata, #kubuntu, but you need to install coedecs
[09:34] <[Phaedrus] > ah... cool.. thanks
[09:34] <SirFred> trygvebw-away: Does it works fine for you?
[09:34] <trygvebw-away> e_machinist, weird...
[09:34] <trygvebw-away> SirFred, yes
[09:34] <nakata> trygvebw-away: sure i do.  ok.
[09:35] <SirFred> trygvebw-away: Are you on a k7 kernel or a i686 one.
[09:35] <e_machinist> ahh, I resolved it... no actually just clearing the cache has decided that it would like to run now.
[09:35] <e_machinist> heh.
[09:35] <trygvebw-away> SirFred: i'm on a i686 kernel, 2.6.10-4
[09:35] <Shufla> hurray! that was KVM again :>
[09:35] <libben> can i make if i install rar... will the file roller auto handles unpack rar files?
[09:35] <SirFred> Perhaps I should downgrade, I'm on a 2.6.10-5-k7
[09:36] <libben> lol... that sentence was really weird and shitty =)
[09:36] <lunitik> trygvebw-away-fo: you're getting way to excited... it'll just be a simple apt-get dist-upgrade... maybe a couple packages  :/
[09:36] <SirFred> I'm going to restart with an older one, I think it's a kernel problem, or hald or something at this level.
[09:36] <beowuff> Apparently my gfriend isn't the only one... http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2004-December/001304.html
[09:36] <libben> I have alots of rar... and ive installed rar apt-get install rar.... file roller... will that handle unpacking the rar then?
[09:36] <oris_wolfbane> does anyone know how i can check how much ram i have?
[09:36] <thoreauputic> e_machinist: it gets a tick from dillo - which is avery pedantic browser :)
[09:36] <libben> top oris_wolfbane
[09:37] <[Phaedrus] > yeah i just saw that post beowuff :)
[09:37] <thoreauputic> oris_wolfbane:  cat /proc/meminfo
[09:37] <kakalto> when upgrading to hoary, should I replace my bash.bashrc configuration file?
[09:37] <libben> oris_wolfbane,  cat /proc/meminfo | grep MemTotal
[09:37] <SirFred> lunitik: What's that?
[09:38] <kakalto> new version
[09:38] <kakalto> anyone?
[09:38] <lunitik> SirFred: next release... will sync back up with Sid... so I get all the new stuff I've been waiting on since freeze
[09:38] <lunitik> freezes suck
[09:38] <SirFred> lunitik: Well, I think it's the only way to stabilize ubuntu.
[09:38] <lunitik> actually, Grumpy = devel repo ... Breezy = next release
[09:38] <oris_wolfbane> thoreauputic, libben, thanxs
[09:38] <vessuvius> what's the easiest way to get java up and running?
[09:39] <kakalto> vessuvius, go to www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:39] <lunitik> SirFred: I used Sid for 3 1/2 years... rarely drastic issues...
[09:39] <encKe`> check this out for java instructs ------------->http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[09:39] <SirFred> lunitik: Yes, but think about minor bugs.
[09:39] <encKe`> lol ...im slowww
[09:39] <vessuvius> thnx
[09:39] <kakalto> so, when upgrading to hoary, should I replace my bash.bashrc configuration file?
[09:39] <kakalto> or keep my current
[09:39] <lunitik> SirFred: If I don't notice them... they don't really exist  :)
[09:40] <e_machinist> Sid has been around for that long? thats a long time.
[09:40] <SirFred> lunitik: A moving target on anoter moving target
[09:40] <lunitik> SirFred: and the combination of apt-listbugs and hold avoids other issues
[09:40] <SirFred> lunitik: I'm not as lucky as you. I have a lot of problems with my Duron machine.
[09:40] <thoreauputic> kakalto: why replace it?
[09:40] <kakalto> thoreauputic, it's asking me
[09:41] <kakalto> I'm just wondering if the hoary bash.bashrc is any different from the warty?
[09:41] <thoreauputic> kakalto: ah I see - probably a change to bash completion or something - I'd say change it then
[09:41] <kakalto> then add my java back in?
[09:41] <lunitik> SirFred: how much of that have you filed?
[09:41] <kakalto> after
[09:41] <SirFred> lunitik: Most of them.
[09:42] <lunitik> SirFred: cuz if you haven't filed any with a decent priority, they are unlikely to be fixed by tomorrow
[09:42] <thoreauputic> kakalto: ah woops - you want to keep tha java stuff, yeah
[09:42] <SirFred> lunitik: But there was no solution for some of them, perhaps it's a hardware fail.
[09:42] <daven> kakalto: isn't there an option to compare them?
[09:42] <libben> I have alots of rar... and ive installed rar apt-get install rar.... file roller... will that handle unpacking the rar then?
[09:42] <kakalto> yeah, but I don't know how to use compare
[09:42] <SirFred> lunitik: On the other way, my pentium III machine works really fine on ubuntu
[09:42] <icebalm> why does ubuntu have the latest nvidia drivers but the fglrx drivers are 3 months old?
[09:42] <thoreauputic> libben: have you tried?
[09:43] <kakalto> thoreauputic, I don't know how compare works
[09:43] <libben> well... ive just opened the one of the files.. and it dident complained...
[09:43] <libben> but the size only says 2 gb..
[09:43] <lunitik> libben: it says it can use unrar (its suggested, thus can be used)
[09:43] <WeirdAl> woot
[09:43] <thoreauputic> kakalto: just do a back up of your old file then
[09:43] <kakalto> ahk
[09:43] <WeirdAl> Can someone recommend an HTML IDE that isn't vim?
[09:43] <kakalto> where's bash.bashrc kept?
[09:43] <thoreauputic> kakalto: you can always swap them that way
[09:43] <WeirdAl> Something in wot I can do HTML and PHP in a nice way.
[09:43] <icebalm> WeirdAl: nano
[09:43] <lunitik> SirFred: yeah... then probably hardware issues
[09:44] <libben> but why does it say my .iso in there is 2 gb =) ? when all files are around 4.4 gb
[09:44] <thoreauputic> kakalto: /etc
[09:44] <WeirdAl> _
[09:44] <kakalto> thanks
[09:44] <PLAYBOY^> nooneyouknow, can you give me this site I has made restart and you have forgotten it this darwinia
[09:45] <nooneyouknow> http://www.trash80.net
[09:45] <PLAYBOY^> ok
[09:45] <nooneyouknow> i prefer the trusk stuff, but his electronic shit is real good to.
[09:46] <thoreauputic> libben: the ISO will expand to 4gig or so
[09:46] <thoreauputic> libben: actually less I think
[09:46] <e_machinist> Anyone that uses Xfce know how to add items to the menus such as Xfce>System> various stuff.
[09:47] <libben> thoreauputic, any program to burn a dvd.iso?
[09:47] <e_machinist> I can't figure it out, tried the menu editor... that doesn't seem to have the right stuff.
[09:47] <nooneyouknow> if you like that you should check out ( http://www.8bitpeoples.com/_artist_nfo/nfo_i_cactus.html )
[09:47] <nooneyouknow> his names khonner and hes just been signed to warp.
[09:47] <drspin> I upgraded to hoary yesterday -- I get higher framerates on my graphics :) YAY! but games are jerky...
[09:47] <thoreauputic> libben: ? an ISO is an ISO as far as I know
[09:47] <libben> i coulde burn iso with just right klick the file and write to disc when ive inserted a blank dvdr?
[09:47] <nooneyouknow> the i,cactus ep is on archive.org
[09:47] <drspin> my DMA is on X69 for the HD and X66 for the CD drives
[09:48] <thoreauputic> libben: I don't have a DVD but I guess so
[09:48] <cevans> Whe I start audacity, all of the UI text is blank. Does anyone know what would cause this? (running hoary)
[09:48] <drspin> guess one of my CD's is blacklisted for DMA :(
[09:48] <drspin> but even still...
[09:48] <libben> so i dont need gnome baker ?
[09:48] <cevans> s/Whe/When/
[09:49] <thoreauputic> libben: gnome baker is nice to have....
[09:49] <thoreauputic> libben: it does music and stuff
[09:49] <drspin> I tried Gnome Baker this morning -- it's slow --
[09:49] <drspin> but it beats having to install k3B :/
[09:49] <SirFred> Well, k3b works fine on 2.6.10-1-k7
[09:50] <e_machinist> k3b is icky.
[09:50] <thoreauputic> drspin: you can configure speed - did you try it?
[09:50] <kbrooks> ping
[09:50] <libben> I mostly burn dvd.img and dvd.iso's and it would be nice to burn some music cds.... no mp3... music cds for stereos....
[09:50] <linuxboy> whats the best/correct way to upgrade to hoary ?
[09:50] <drspin> thoreauputic: I meant the converting of files is slow --
[09:50] <libben> wich one to prefer? k3b or gnome baker?
[09:51] <tritium> libben, there's also graveman
[09:51] <drspin> linuxboy: follow the instrctions on the Wiki
[09:51] <libben> tritium, but wich one to prefer?
[09:51] <e_machinist> heh, why don't you give him the link drspin.
[09:51] <e_machinist> haha.
[09:51] <tritium> libben, I use graveman.  k3b can't burn a music CD from mp3s
[09:52] <drspin> because simply typing upgrade hoary in the search box reveals MORE than enough information...
[09:52] <sysrq> tritium: yes it can
[09:52] <tritium> sysrq, not by itself.
[09:52] <e_machinist> drspin, I was being sarcastic... sorry you couldn't be there for it.
[09:52] <libben> but gnome baker can?
[09:52] <drspin> tritium: the default Ubuntu install of k3b allows burnin of audio cd's from mp3
[09:52] <sysrq> tritium: graveman doesn't do it by itself either, it's a frontend just as k3b is
[09:53] <SirFred> tritium: I can drag mp3 files on k3b to make an audio CD.
[09:53] <SirFred> tritium: What do you mean with "not by itself" ?
[09:53] <drspin> e_machinist: LOL a little slow this morning
[09:53] <e_machinist> drspin, no prob, happens.
[09:53] <drspin> so anyone wanna help me figure out some of these dmesg errors?
[09:53] <icebalm> why does ubuntu have the latest nvidia drivers but the fglrx drivers are 3 months old?
[09:53] <libben> why dont ubuntu has the newest newest =) driver.
[09:53] <libben> its 71.77 now
[09:53] <tritium> k3b couldn't do it last week.  perhaps something has recently changed
[09:54] <sysrq> I did it several months ago with k3b
[09:54] <SirFred> tritium: Just make a new audio CD, and drag mp3 files on the project.
[09:54] <linuxboy> drspin: searching for "upgrade hoary" un the wiki search bring..... Nothing
[09:54] <SirFred> tritium: I've made it months ago
[09:55] <e_machinist> linuxboy, heh, you are right... I just assumed drspin would be correct.
[09:55] <linuxboy> e_machinist: ;)
[09:55] <tritium> Well, I tried to create a new audio CD, added some mp3s, and k3b didn't know what to do with them.
[09:55] <kent> Nice to see that coaster has working packages for ubuntu now.  It cant burn audio yet, but that will come some time in the future.. i hope :)
[09:56] <SirFred> tritium: Extrange
[09:56] <daven> linuxboy: you have to use the search in the top-right ;-) you can get to that from any page
[09:56] <daven> linuxboy: must admit i just tried it as well :) i did the upgrade and was suddenly worried i'd not done it the best way ;)
[09:57] <trygvebw> tritium, you have all codecs, right?
[09:57] <e_machinist> except in opera, which seems to not format that coerrectly.
[09:57] <tritium> trygvebw, yeah, I'm not worried about it.  Thanks, though.
[09:57] <drspin> OMG why is everything so slow??
[09:57] <aquarius> What should I put in /etc/network/interfaces if I want to bring an interface up and have it get an IP from me by DHCP, rather than me getting an IP from it?
[09:57] <linuxboy> daven: i just wanna keep my pc tidy when i upgrade, like ive just installed a fresh hoary
[09:57] <linuxboy> daven: no missing things
[09:58] <LinuxJones> aquarius, you can do that in network-admin
[09:58] <drspin> linuxboy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[09:58] <tritium> aquarius, iface eth0 inet dhcp, for example
[09:58] <tritium> or man interfaces
[09:58] <trygvebw> linuxboy: it won't be messed up
[09:58] <daven> linuxboy: well, i upgraded warty and after a reboot to pick everything up it was fine.  you want the bit in drspin's link with the apt-get intsructions
[09:58] <aquarius> tritium, oh! I thought that meant "bring the interface up and get a dhcp address for it", not "bring it up and let it get one from *me*".
[09:58] <daven> trygvebw: are there any differences doing up with apt-get to installing from scratch?
[09:59] <linuxboy> trygvebw: i just dont want packages to be missed...
[09:59] <Breber> hi all...
[09:59] <tritium> aquarius, I mis-read your question.  See the man page for interfaces
[09:59] <trygvebw> daven: Not very many. You won't know what the standards are, but...
[09:59] <trygvebw> linuxboy: They won't be :)
[09:59] <Breber> anyone here using ubuntu with a PowerBook?
[09:59] <LinuxJones> daven, upgrade should work just fine
[10:00] <linuxboy> also, how much free hard disk space do i need for it ?
[10:00] <linuxboy> and, do i need to kill the backports ?
[10:00] <daven> trygvebw, linuxboy: apt-get hasn't let me down yet.  i've got pretty much hooked on debian since trying redhat, suse and others. i'm using ubuntu for my normal comp
[10:00] <trygvebw> linuxboy: about 300mb more
[10:00] <trygvebw> daven: okey
[10:00] <aquarius> tritium: I couldn't see anything in interfaces(5) about it :(
[10:00] <daven> linuxjones: cheers - it did indeed :)
[10:01] <LinuxJones> :)
[10:01] <tritium> aquarius, you can specify the IP address you want in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:01] <linuxboy> trygvebw: doesnt it need space to do the upgrade? to unzip and stuff ?
[10:01] <e_machinist> unzip? ack, such a horrible word... unpack sounds better.
[10:01] <trygvebw> linuxboy: how much free space do you have?
[10:01] <e_machinist> heh.
[10:01] <linuxboy> trygvebw: 1.1gig
[10:01] <beowuff> exit
[10:01] <aquarius> tritium, I know I can specify it as static, but the thing on the other end is expecting to get a dhcp address from me, and I don't know what I have to put in my /e/n/interfaces to enable that.
[10:01] <e_machinist> 1.1gig isn't much free space.
[10:02] <trygvebw> but AFAIK it's enough
[10:02] <AndyR> evening all
[10:02] <trygvebw> just do a apt-get clean before upgrading
[10:02] <linuxboy> ill *try* clear some
[10:02] <trygvebw> AndyR, hello
[10:02] <tritium> aquarius, the "thing" on the other end?  If you use dhcp, you don't need to specify the address.
[10:03] <dcraven> Man I hate linux...
[10:03] <dcraven> :)
[10:03] <aquarius> tritium, so the dhcp server doesn't need to mention its end of the interface in /e/n/interfaces at all?
[10:03] <kent> aquarius, is the problem that you want the other computer to get a ip etc  from dhcp on your computer? that way you have to configure a dhcp server on your computer..
[10:03] <Shufla> re
[10:04] <drspin> never in my life has Gaim crashed on me and it just did... WTF is going on... since I upgraded to hoary my FPS has increased but my system usabliity sucks -- everything is slow and it lags
[10:04] <tritium> aquarius, see kent's question.  Are you trying to setup a server?
[10:04] <aquarius> kent, yes. But do I not have to mention something about the interface on my computer in /ec/network/interfaces?
[10:04] <cikilin> on ubuntu where can u see gnome?
[10:04] <trygvebw> cikilin, what do you mean?
[10:04] <aquarius> tritium, sort of. the "thing" on the other end is a Zaurus, which connects by USB using usbnet.
[10:04] <e_machinist> hmm.
[10:04] <Shufla> cikilin, that's joke...?
[10:05] <cikilin> no
[10:05] <trygvebw> gnome is the environment. desktop, menus, bars, panels etc.
[10:05] <cikilin> i wanna download some music for hours
[10:05] <thoreauputic> cikilin: gnome is in your face as soon as you boot :0
[10:05] <Shufla> cikilin, AFAIR you've got to run ubuntu.
[10:05] <kent> aquarius, I have never setup a dhcp-server, but I dont think you do that in /etc/network/interfaces, that file is for your local cards. I think uoi have to look in to configuring a dhcp server, and that is done some where else..
[10:05] <cikilin> and i cant get the point
[10:05] <LinuxJones> cikilin, you have a black console screen ?
[10:05] <trygvebw> cikilin: GNOME is what you get when you're done starting Ubuntu
[10:05] <aquarius> kent: ok. I'm getting there with it anyway, I think. Cheers for the pointers!
[10:06] <cikilin> yes
[10:06] <cikilin> k
[10:06] <cikilin> i wanna download some music for hours
[10:06] <cikilin> how i do that?
[10:06] <tritium> aquarius, you don't setup dhcp there.  You'd install a separate package.
[10:06] <tritium> However, using usbnet with a Zaurus doesn't require a dhcp server.
[10:06] <LinuxJones> cikilin, did you install warty or hoary ?
[10:06] <thoreauputic> cikilin: are you saying you have no graphical user interface?
[10:07] <libben> so what was the conclusion fellas? k3b or gnome baker?
[10:07] <cikilin> no warty
[10:07] <cikilin> what is that?
[10:07] <trygvebw> libben: gnomebaker :P
[10:07] <thoreauputic> cikilin: you can't start gnome? Or what?
[10:07] <Shufla> argh :(
[10:07] <cikilin> started
[10:08] <Shufla> next f*cked applet written for ie and ffox dies :(
[10:08] <ish> is it possibly to update to the amd64 release without doing a fresh install (from i386)
[10:08] <daven> cikilin: why do you want to know about gnome?
[10:08] <cikilin> but warty?
[10:08] <kent> libben, graveman and gnomebaker both works well for me.  k3b does not look so nice with gnome, but it works..
[10:08] <thoreauputic> cikilin: what are you trying to do?
[10:08] <Shufla> ish, yes. but do not do it @ home...
[10:08] <thoreauputic> cikilin: it's not clear at all what your problem is
[10:08] <cikilin> to download some mp3
[10:08] <libben> so gnome baker it is... allthough i have a dvd.iso and it should work to burn with nautilius-cd-burner
[10:09] <LinuxJones> cikilin, ok login to Ubuntu in the console screen, and type sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (rnter your user passoword when prompted) When it asks for a video card driver to use select vesa. You can probably accept the defaults for everyting else. Then re-boot
[10:09] <thoreauputic> cikilin: so fire up your browser and download them...
[10:09] <aquarius> tritium: I've installed udhcpd, and told it to listen on usb0. usb0 shows in ifconfig -a. this should mean that the thing connected to the other end of usb0 can get a dhcp address from me?
[10:09] <AndyR> has hoary gone stable yet?
[10:09] <tritium> aquarius, you don't need a server.  I'm going to find a URL for you.  Give me a minute...
[10:09] <thoreauputic> AndyR: no, it's still wobbling...;)
[10:09] <Shufla> AndyR, tommorow is the Release Day
[10:10] <LinuxJones> thoreauputic, X is not configured on cikilin's system yet
[10:10] <thoreauputic> LinuxJones: that's what I was trying to find out - thanks
[10:10] <LinuxJones> thoreauputic, :)
[10:11] <drewcore> any idea why my gnome apps are starting so slow?
[10:11] <AndyR> dvd image with both live and install is cool
[10:11] <cikilin> how i install warty?
[10:12] <cikilin> or hoary?
[10:12] <libben> download horay cd image
[10:12] <daven> cikilin: warty and hoary are different versions of ubuntu.
[10:12] <libben> and install it from booting the cd on bootup
[10:12] <cikilin> from?
[10:12] <daven> cikilin: if you just want to download music, you don't need ubuntu
[10:12] <daven> cikilin: (necessarily)
[10:12] <libben> from www.ubuntulinux.com
[10:12] <delire> has there been any talk of ubuntu having it's own unique icon set? speaking from a strictly aesthetic perspective, i think the default (and ancient) gnome icons hold the look of Ubuntu back a little. i'd be interested to know how many Ubuntu users never touch the default icon set.
[10:13] <thoreauputic> cikilin: if you type ` cat /etc/issue ` what does it say/
[10:13] <Shufla> cikilin, that's funny. you're using xchat and you asking such questions...
[10:13] <thoreauputic> delire: the "home" icon has been replaced here - I can't bear it
[10:14] <delire> thoreauputic: it must be about 6 years old that icon. i wonder why it's lived so long?
[10:14] <cikilin> it is saying that i have warty
[10:14] <delire> thoreauputic: a house for an old and tired gnome ;)
[10:14] <thoreauputic> delire: there are a few svg icons buried somewhere that I found...
[10:14] <thoreauputic> delire: I agree
[10:14] <fruggle> are there any other ubuntu channels out there?
[10:15] <daven> cikilin: do you have a picture of a foot in the top-left of your screen?
[10:15] <Shufla> fruggle, #kubuntu for kubuntu
[10:15] <delire> thoreauputic: hmm i think ubuntu should get a little brave, make a few executive decisions in that department. art.gnome.org has some fine contenders
[10:15] <cikilin> yes
[10:15] <thoreauputic> fruggle: yes, #kubuntu, #ubuntu-devel #ubuntu-motu and several other languages as well
[10:15] <fruggle> Shufla: Kbuntu urgs  ;)
[10:15] <cikilin> why?
[10:15] <daven> cikilin: because that means you're probably installed and working ok
[10:16] <Shufla> fruggle, shufla: error: `urgs' Syntax error...
[10:16] <fruggle> thoreauputic: thx
[10:16] <daven> cikilin: i think you might be ready to download music.  have you tried playing a CD to see if it works?
[10:16] <fruggle> Shufla: i just dont like the K in front of the untu ;)
[10:16] <cikilin> i tried and it must be ripper
[10:16] <cikilin> to listen it
[10:17] <Shufla> fruggle, ah... well. that's nice, that so young ubuntu has a fork with kde.
[10:17] <daven> cikilin: i don't understand what you mean.  what happened when you tried to play a cd?
[10:17] <thoreauputic> cikilin: what is your language?
[10:17] <gabaug> what's the best program for keeping track of time spent on projects?
[10:17] <cikilin> i cant hear it
[10:17] <cikilin> i dont know why
[10:17] <Shufla> besides i've earned my first developer money using WindowMaker :>
[10:18] <LinuxJones> Shufla, that's not a fork
[10:18] <cikilin> the cd from cdrom was playing but not hearing
[10:18] <Shufla> gabaug, commercial
[10:18] <fruggle> Shufla: yea many people out there seem to like it very much ... however i dont ;)
[10:18] <daven> cikilin: i'm sorry but i haven't tried to play music on my machine
[10:18] <daven> cikilin: but now we know that you tried to play a cd and the sound didn't work, maybe somebody can help
[10:18] <Shufla> LinuxJones, it's only my low knowledge of english. flavour?
[10:18] <daven> cikilin: have you definitely got speakers plugged in and switched on?
[10:18] <kent> cikilin, you dont hear any sound when playing files? Try to open the mixer (and show all mixers) and raise them all. A lot of times there is problems with the mixer lowering some of the mixers..  :(
[10:18] <Shufla> fruggle, you've got choice. that's good.
[10:18] <thoreauputic> cikilin: you probably need digital output with xmms or beep media player
[10:18] <cikilin> yesm :0
[10:18] <cikilin> :)
[10:18] <daven> cikilin: ;-)
[10:18] <gabaug> Shufla: is that the name or a program or a though-fragment?
[10:19] <cikilin> if i put a cd into cd rom without ripper can hear
[10:19] <daven> cikilin: and you're trying to rip a CD into MP3s?
[10:19] <thoreauputic> cikilin: OK you can hear the CD then?
[10:19] <Shufla> gabaug, i think, that many good project planners are commercial.
[10:19] <cikilin> yes
[10:20] <gabaug> Shufla: yeah, well, I'm asking in #ubuntu hoping to hear about some good FOSS oens
[10:20] <Shufla> gabaug, try freshmeat for web based and java based.
[10:20] <cikilin> this is my second day in linux-ubuntu
[10:21] <thoreauputic> cikilin: the default ripper (sound juicer) will make ogg files - but to make mp3 you need other programs/libraries
[10:21] <cikilin> how do that?
[10:21] <daven> cikilin: ogg files are just as good as mp3s if you only want to play the  music on your computer.
[10:22] <thoreauputic> cikilin: you need to enable the universe repository and install something like grip and lame
[10:22] <thoreauputic> actually might need multiverse for that as well
[10:22] <daven> thoreauputic: i'll bow to you here and listen - i only normally use linux as a server so i've not used it much for sound :)
[10:22] <LinuxJones> cikilin, what's language do you speak ?
[10:22] <thoreauputic> daven: the difficulty is language I think (hope)
[10:23] <cikilin> romanian
[10:23] <daven> thoreauputic: 100% certain
[10:23] <daven> cikilin: it's great that you're trying ubuntu - i'm sure you'll like it!
[10:23] <LinuxJones> cikilin, I don't know if there is a Romanian irc channel that might be of some help
[10:23] <cikilin> look
[10:23] <Funraiser> can we make audio CDs with K3b?
[10:23] <cikilin> where is universe repository?
[10:23] <dcraven_> Okay, I like Linux again.
[10:24] <LinuxJones> cikilin, let me get you a link
[10:24] <delire> dcraven: ;)
[10:24] <cikilin> k
[10:24] <ompaul> dcraven, so you thought you didn't but that was a mistake :)
[10:24] <Funraiser> Is it possible to make audio CDs with K3b?
[10:24] <dcraven_> ompaul, yeah, my wireless was actin' crazy on me.
[10:24] <thoreauputic> cikilin: if you read and understand this it will help >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:24] <LinuxJones> cikilin, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[10:24] <dcraven_> Seems to be working again now.
[10:25] <delire> Funraiser: yes
[10:25] <Funraiser> 100% sure?
[10:25] <Funraiser> from mp3 for example?
[10:25] <ompaul> dcraven_, that  is not nice
[10:25] <Shufla> no more beer
[10:25] <Shufla> :(
[10:25] <falcon3> what program should i use to print a dvd cover to its right size?
[10:25] <delire> Funraiser: not sure about that. there will be a utility for that somewhere.
[10:25] <dcraven_> Funraiser, I did it with k3b about a year ago.
[10:25] <kakalto> Guys, I just upgraded from warty to hoary, and it screwed up X
[10:25] <thoreauputic> falcon3: maybe glabels
[10:25] <kakalto> so I can't get any visuals
[10:25] <delire> falcon3: i think dvdauthor has some feature like this, or a similar program
[10:26] <dcraven_> Funraiser, I assume it still does :)
[10:26] <Funraiser> dcraven, u mean an audio CD form MP3s?
[10:26] <kakalto> what should I do?
[10:26] <falcon3> kakalto: reconfigure
[10:26] <tritium> kakalto, are you using nvidia?
[10:26] <kakalto> yup
[10:26] <kakalto> reconfigure?
[10:26] <kakalto> what command?
[10:26] <dcraven_> Funraiser, is there anything else? :)
[10:26] <falcon3> kakalto: dunno, i got ati
[10:26] <tritium> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:26] <Funraiser> dcraven, u tried an audio CD from MP3s?
[10:26] <dcraven_> Funraiser, ...
[10:27] <falcon3> tritium: he might have xfree if he is warty
[10:27] <thoreauputic> kakalto: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:27] <dcraven_> Funraiser, I dunno how else to say it dude.
[10:27] <delire> Funraiser: 'apt-cache search audio mp3' cd returns k3b, and another interesting option: mp3roaster - A Perl hack for burning audio CDs out of MP3/OGG/FLAC files
[10:27] <kakalto> thoreauputic, that's not installed
[10:27] <delire> Funraiser: see 'apt-cache show k3b'
[10:27] <kakalto> thoreauputic, I thought that warty used xf86?
[10:27] <libben> how sensitive is gnome baker on doing stuff in the background? can i surf around as usual and chat with gaim and irc?
[10:28] <delire> Funraiser: sorry .. 'apt-cache search mp3 audio cd'
[10:28] <dcraven_> Funraiser, I dragged mp3 files into k3b, then burned them. Then I put the CD into a cd player that CANNOT play mp3 files, and I heard the music through the attached speakers.
[10:28] <thoreauputic> kakalto: warty yes - I thought you upgraded to hoary
[10:28] <tritium> falcon3, not after upgrading to Hoary
[10:28] <kakalto> thoreauputic, yes, but it doesn't seem to have installed xorg
[10:29] <dcraven_> kakalto, check to see that the nvidia module is loaded --> "lsmod | grep nvidia"
[10:29] <Funraiser> ...that Nerolinux isn't working
[10:29] <Funraiser> all right thanks all
[10:29] <kakalto> dcraven_, yes, nvidia is loaded
[10:29] <kakalto> I think it just didn't install xorg
[10:29] <kakalto> so should I just apt-get install xorg?
[10:29] <tritium> kakalto, but your real problem is that your upgrade went awry
[10:30] <dcraven_> kakalto, Oh.. This is a clean install?
[10:30] <mainer> if you're running kde,k3b works great
[10:30] <libben> how sensitive is gnome baker on doing stuff in the background? can i surf around as usual and chat with gaim and irc?
[10:30] <delire> libben: try it perhaps?
[10:30] <thoreauputic> libben: works fine here
[10:30] <cikilin> i put enable on warty
[10:30] <daven> tritium: i remember when i upgraded to sarge i had to update and dist-upgrade a few times?
[10:30] <mainer> or use gnome f.m. option
[10:30] <delire> libben: depends on your system specs to some degree
[10:30] <cikilin> how download now?
[10:30] <daven> tritium: do you think that might help kakalto?
[10:30] <thoreauputic> libben: how much RAM and CPU have you got there?
[10:30] <dcraven_> kakalto, if you a GNOME man, see if the ubuntu-desktop package is installed maybe...
[10:30] <falcon3> thoreauputic: glabels does not have a template for DVD covers,
[10:30] <kakalto> dcraven_, no, upgrade
[10:30] <tritium> daven, that should not be necessary
[10:30] <libben> p4 1.7 768 ram... no ddr stuff..
[10:31] <libben> maybe a restart of x would clear some ram up =)
[10:31] <kakalto> dcraven_, it should be, although I don't primarily use gnome
[10:31] <falcon3> delire: dvdauthor is only for creating dvds, not labeling/covers
[10:31] <thoreauputic> falcon3: OK - it was a guess - thanks for the info
[10:31] <Funraiser> mainer u talking to me? (with the De Niro accent)
[10:31] <kakalto> ah well
[10:31] <daven> tritium: k - must admit i don't think i had to when i upgraded ubuntu.  although i found apt-get update/upgrade today hasn't been working so well for ubuntu
[10:31] <tritium> kakalto, did you follow: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[10:31] <delire> falcon3: right though there is a related app. let me check
[10:31] <kakalto> I'll sort it out tonight
[10:31] <kakalto> bye-bye
[10:31] <kakalto> exit
[10:31] <libben> thoreauputic, what do u have for desktoping?
[10:31] <dcraven_> kakalto, then maybe x-window-system? That should bring in xorg I think.
[10:31] <falcon3> delire: that would be very kind of you
[10:31] <dcraven_> Or not.
[10:31] <mainer> Funraiser:yes
[10:31] <thoreauputic> libben: desktoping? you mean like gnome and fluxbox?
[10:31] <delire> falcon3: ahah "cdlabelgen - generates front cards and tray cards for CDs and DVDs"
[10:32] <Funraiser> mainer, where is the gnome f.m option?
[10:32] <dcraven_> Man I gotta make a decent IM client...
[10:32] <Funraiser> mainer, how do i do that?
[10:32] <delire> dcraven: gaim doesn't suit you?
[10:32] <falcon3> delire: that seems terminal based :o
[10:33] <libben> thoreauputic, yeah... normal usage... working and playing
[10:33] <delire> falcon3: oh well..
[10:33] <dcraven> delire, gaim drives me crazy.
[10:33] <delire> falcon3: see freshmeat.net
[10:33] <thoreauputic> libben: I switch between fluxbox and gnome
[10:33] <mainer> Funraiser: sorry,meant gnome File Manager,i.e.nautilus
[10:33] <delire> falcon3: what about "kcdlabel - CD cover creator for KDE"
[10:33] <Funraiser> thanks
[10:34] <falcon3> aptgetting it
[10:34] <Burgundavia> falcon3: glabels also does cd labels
[10:34] <tritium> glabels is quite nice :)
[10:34] <dcraven> I've heard great things about glabels.
[10:34] <falcon3> Burgundavia: i need DVD covers !
[10:34] <libben> why switching?
[10:34] <dcraven> There's another!
[10:34] <libben> I used fluxbox before
[10:34] <Burgundavia> falcon3: same size
[10:34] <tritium> heh
[10:34] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: I suggested that but he thinks it doesn't have DVD templates...
[10:34] <Burgundavia> falcon3: covers
[10:34] <falcon3> Burgundavia: no its not !
[10:34] <libben> now im on gnome
[10:34] <Burgundavia> ah
[10:34] <dcraven> DVD/CD... What's the diff?
[10:35] <falcon3> dcraven: size
[10:35] <Burgundavia> falcon3: you mean for the boxes
[10:35] <delire> openbox plays nicely with gnome. use it as your ultra-light window manager of choice
[10:35] <dcraven> falcon3, stretch them.
[10:35] <falcon3> dcraven: and Burgundavia: i mean the box thingies
[10:35] <jaco^> hi all
[10:35] <JordanAU> i upgraded from warty to hoary, ndiswrapper quit working and X wont start, any suggestions???
[10:35] <Burgundavia> falcon3: you can roll your own size in glabels
[10:35] <tritium> falcon3, you can specify a custom size in glabels
[10:35] <falcon3> dcraven: u seem not to understand
[10:35] <tritium> Burgundavia, ;)
[10:35] <dcraven> falcon3, no. I don't understand at all :)
[10:35] <falcon3> tritium and Burgundavia : i'll try glabels again then
[10:36] <thoreauputic> libben: I use gnome on irc so I can answer questions about it :)
[10:36] <Burgundavia> glabels is a little wierd in hoary though
[10:36] <falcon3> !!! too much people highlighting me
[10:36] <dcraven> falcon3,
[10:36] <dcraven> falcon3,
[10:36] <Burgundavia> text is borked
[10:36] <dcraven> falcon3,
[10:36] <falcon3> y?
[10:36] <dcraven> I'm highlighting you :)
[10:36] <falcon3> dcraven: u a child or smth ?
[10:36] <dcraven> falcon3, haha.. Not at all. Just in a lame mood.
[10:36] <thoreauputic> falcon3: retain your sense of humour :)
[10:37] <dcraven> falcon3, but thanks for the compliment :)
[10:37] <dcraven> thoreauputic, lol
[10:37] <falcon3> thoreauputic: its to late to retain any of my humor
[10:37] <JordanAU> thoreauputic: have you heard of any problems with ndiswrapper and x not starting after a hoary upgrade?
[10:37] <dcraven> that of course assumes u = you and smth = something
[10:37] <delire> JordanAU: no i haven't..
[10:38] <JordanAU> delire: strange huh?
[10:38] <thoreauputic> JordanAU: what I know about ndiswrapper could be written on a postage stamp
[10:38] <QMario> How do I place files into a Root folder?
[10:38] <dcraven> QMario, can you be more specific?
[10:38] <JordanAU> thoreauputic: that is much more than me :)
[10:38] <dcraven> QMario, like "sudo cp filename /root/" ?
[10:39] <delire> JordanAU: yes, very. can you look at the X logs in /var/log/..? look for 'EE' == errors
[10:39] <QMario> How do I paste files into a Root access folder?
[10:39] <QMario> Hold on..
[10:39] <thoreauputic> QMario: please don't /msg people without asking
[10:39] <dcraven> QMario, Oh. Like with Nautilus? Beyond me.
[10:39] <dcraven> ewwww
[10:39] <QMario> Sorry
[10:39] <JordanAU> delire: i am on my windows boot but will try to get some logs and get back.
[10:39] <delire> JordanAU: in a terminal you can use 'less' on a file and then use '/' to search.
[10:40] <delire> JordanAU: ok, good luck
[10:40] <cikilin> k:why if i put a cd into cdrom it can not hearing?
[10:40] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[10:40] <JordanAU> delire: what is the extension on a log file?
[10:40] <^thehatsrule^> eek, wrong chan :/
[10:41] <delire> JordanAU: if you're using XFree86 it'll be /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[10:41] <WeirdAl> Can Ubuntu automatically convert MP3s into CDA format to burn?
[10:41] <JordanAU> delire: great i will open it and then save it as a .txt file and open it in windows
[10:41] <delire> JordanAU: for X.org (the new X system) it'll likely be X.org.log (i don't use it.. check with others)
[10:41] <cikilin> k:why if i put a cd into cdrom it can not hearing?
[10:41] <WeirdAl> Or will I need a special program?
[10:41] <AndyR> anyone else in uk watching hackers on ch5?
[10:41] <JordanAU> delire: how would i know which one?
[10:42] <delire> thoreauputic: if JordanAU has upgraded to hoary he'll be running X.org for sure?
[10:42] <thoreauputic> cikilin: possibly your cdrom is not connected to the sound card
[10:42] <casimir> delire, X.org is Xorg.0.log
[10:42] <delire> JordanAU: you'll only have one or other
[10:42] <thoreauputic> delire: should be, yes
[10:42] <daven> cikilin: i thought you said that if you turned the ripper off you could hear the cd?
[10:42] <delire> JordanAU: according to others it will be X.org.log
[10:42] <occy> hey..... anyone here remember the name of that GPL'ed alternative to vmware?
[10:42] <daven> occy: q-something
[10:42] <cikilin> only if i ripper
[10:42] <thoreauputic> qemu?
[10:42] <occy> daven: hmmm
[10:42] <occy> yah
[10:42] <occy> that's it
[10:42] <daven> occy: yes - qemu
[10:42] <delire> JordanAU: sorry *** Xorg.0.log ***
[10:42] <occy> qemu :)
[10:43] <occy> tx guys
[10:43] <JordanAU> delire: great, also i only updated my main restricted repository, should i have upgraded them all?
[10:43] <cikilin> if my cdrom is not connected to the sound card how i connect?
[10:43] <thoreauputic> JordanAU: yes
[10:43] <delire> JordanAU: yes, you should have
[10:43] <daven> cikilin: have you ever managed toplay a cd in your ubuntu computer?
[10:43] <JordanAU> could that have caused my proble,
[10:43] <cikilin> no
[10:44] <delire> JordanAU: i'd say so
[10:44] <thoreauputic> cikilin: you can use digital output with xmms or beep-media-player
[10:44] <ewrjqwe> wtf.. ubuntu never let me set the root password during installation
[10:44] <thoreauputic> cikilin: that's how I play CDs here
[10:44] <JordanAU> aha, i wish the wili had mentioned that, i sat there and thought about it forever, my rationale was to try one part and if everything else works, do the rest
[10:44] <daven> ewrjqwe: ubuntu doesn't have a root password... it's on the wiki :)
[10:44] <JordanAU> wili/wiki
[10:44] <thoreauputic> ewrjqwe: that's normal
[10:44] <delire> JordanAU: if you want to upgrade from the commandline you can 'sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade'
[10:45] <delire> JordanAU: errm sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:45] <casimir> ewrjqwe, all root acces is through sudo, no root passwd
[10:45] <ewrjqwe> i can't login as root with a blank pass
[10:45] <JordanAU> yeah i need to get ndiswrapper up and running first
[10:45] <delire> JordanAU: this may be useful as you can't get into X currently
[10:45] <casimir> ewrjqwe, sudo bash for a root terminal
[10:45] <JordanAU> ewrjqwe: type sudo before commands to act as root
[10:45] <tritium> ewrjqwe, see this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:45] <daven> tritium: you beat me to it :)
[10:45] <ewrjqwe> that's new
[10:45] <tritium> no, not new
[10:45] <ewrjqwe> first time i've ever seen in that in a distro
[10:46] <Tux-Rox> How do I set up a USB Wireless card in Hoary? The Networking Gnome systems tool is crap and is not showing the USB WiFi device, though it is seen in /var/log/messages and the driver is loaded for it, prism_usb.....
[10:46] <JordanAU> tux-rox ndiswrapper
[10:46] <daven> ewrjqwe: i think it's to get people away from the windows idea of logging on as admin/root
[10:46] <daven> ewrjqwe: i don't find it a pain at all now, although it annoyed me at first
[10:46] <JordanAU> Tux-Rox: i answered too quickly  maybe not...
[10:46] <ewrjqwe> ah well, i suppose it is "linux for humans"
[10:46] <thoreauputic> ewrjqwe: sudo isn't new - the implementation is perhaps
[10:46] <Tux-Rox> JordanAU, ndiswrapper even though it has a kernel module?
[10:47] <falcon3> i added some aliasses in /etc/profile, but they dont load automatically, i alwasy need to do source /etc/profile, any help plz ?
[10:47] <tritium> daven, ;)
[10:47] <cikilin> with xmms does not work
[10:47] <ewrjqwe> yeah, i use sudo frequently
[10:47] <ewrjqwe> anyway
[10:47] <JordanAU> Tux-Rox: no i spoke without fully reading what you said
[10:47] <ewrjqwe> thanks for the info
[10:47] <thoreauputic> cikilin: it will if you configure digital output
[10:47] <Tux-Rox> JordanAU, :-)  no worries
[10:47] <CarlK> is ubuntu-users mail list very quite (like no message in the last 4 hours) ?
[10:47] <JordanAU> ewrjqwe: you can create a root account
[10:47] <LeeColleton> how do I relabel VFAT volumes?
[10:47] <cikilin> to.....
[10:48] <ewrjqwe> this'll work.. :)
[10:48] <thoreauputic> cikilin: look at the CD plugin configuration in xmms
[10:48] <casimir> ewrjqwe, yeah, you get used to it, sudo bash becomes as much second nature as su
[10:48] <JordanAU> delire: be right back wish me luck
[10:48] <tritium> sudo -s
[10:48] <tritium> or sudo -s -H
[10:48] <delire> JordanAU: luck ;)
[10:48] <vincire> Hello
[10:49] <darGor> hey, if a partition which i have only mp3s, videos etc.. it's NTFS; i rename it on VFAT, so i've permission to write/read with my ubuntu. i CAN do that? any file will be deleted? (??)
[10:49] <JordanAU> delire: actually i changed my mind, i am going to physically move my comuter over to the router and plug in with ethernet and finish the upgrade
[10:49] <thoreauputic> cikilin: in options -preferences -in xmms
[10:49] <cikilin> where is plugin configuration?
[10:49] <delire> JordanAU: ok, wise
[10:49] <libben> how to burn dvd image... cant see any dvd-image button... or should i just import it from cd-image button?
[10:49] <thoreauputic> cikilin: ^^^
[10:49] <casimir> tritium, sudo -s... cool!
[10:49] <tritium> casimir, :)
[10:49] <tritium> That'll save you some typing!
[10:49] <delire> danGor: from what i've heard changing NTFS to fat32 is dangerous.
[10:50] <Tux-Rox> How do I set up a USB Wireless card in Hoary? The Networking Gnome systems tool is crap and is not showing the USB WiFi device, though it is seen in /var/log/messages and the driver is loaded for it, prism_usb.....
[10:50] <superted> What's wrong if I got ubuntu-calendar but none of the calendar wallpapers in the wallpaper dialog?
[10:50] <thoreauputic> cikilin: right click on xmms. choose options > preferences . cd audio
[10:50] <delire> libben: many use 'k3b' i use growisofs
[10:50] <JordanAU> Tux-Rox: what is the card called?
[10:50] <darGor> delire: cus u know with fuckin' NTFS i can only view, but not write anything
[10:50] <libben> so no one has burned dvd with gnome baker?
[10:50] <delire> darGor: blame M$, the *decided* that at some point
[10:51] <libben> just that it supports it ? =)
[10:51] <delire> s/the/they
[10:51] <JordanAU> darGor: you can execute too :)
[10:51] <tritium> libben, I don't have a DVD burner ;)
[10:51] <Tux-Rox> JordanAU, It's a prism2 based DLink DWL-122
[10:51] <mainer> delire: anothe convert,huh:))
[10:51] <casimir> tritium, also works if you like tcsh or zsh or csh or mudsh
[10:51] <darGor> JordanAU: how?
[10:51] <thoreauputic> darGor: you can't convert NTFS to fat without losing your data
[10:51] <tritium> casimir, super
[10:51] <delire> mainer: M$ sure helps them along ;)
[10:51] <libben> what is the option Burnfree before u hit burn? is it like the overburn feature in windows program?
[10:51] <cikilin> i go xmms proprieties
[10:52] <dcraven> darGor, they got ya!
[10:52] <drewcore> do you think that having my usr partition at the end of my drive would cause programs to load slowly?
[10:52] <darGor> thoreauputic: okay
[10:52] <QMario> Does anyone know where the printer drivers are placed?
[10:52] <libben> I should do a hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc before i burn =) lol
[10:52] <mainer> libben,far as i know,yes
[10:52] <delire> darGor: i advised a friend to take the time out to back up the whole NTFS partition and simply convert it to fat32 or an ext3 Linux fs
[10:53] <dcraven> QMario, like where on your filesystem or which package they are found in?
[10:53] <delire> darGor: an NTFS --> fat32 conversion will always be damaging.
[10:53] <QMario> Where on the filesystem.
[10:53] <darGor> delire: yeah it'll fuck up all
[10:53] <casimir> what's the option to have dma on ide-cd on at boot?
[10:53] <QMario> The filesystem.
[10:53] <darGor> delire: if i change ntfs to ext3, on fuckin windoze, i couldn't view fils
[10:54] <darGor> files
[10:54] <thoreauputic> darGor: can you vary your expletives a bit please?
[10:55] <kent> casimir, have you looked at /etc/hadparm.conf? It gets read on boot.
[10:55] <delire> darGor: for sure.. if you need to read/write across partitions, from either OS,  you're best backing it all up and converting it to fat32
[10:55] <libben> so "burnfree" == overburn or !=
[10:55] <casimir> kent, I'll check it out
[10:55] <dcraven> QMario, I dunno where they are kept.'
[10:55] <WeirdAl> MP3 > CDA a la Nero -- is this possible?
[10:55] <WeirdAl> Or am I going to have to use Windows again?
[10:55] <cn__> WeirdAl, use k3b
[10:55] <delire> WeirdAl: use k3b
[10:56] <QMario> How can Windows access them on the network?
[10:56] <cn__> lol
[10:56] <tritium> WeirdAl, or graveman, gnomebaker
[10:56] <delire> QMario: samba
[10:56] <dcraven> QMario, I normally let Windows load its own printer drivers.
[10:56] <kent> WeirdAl, to burn mp3s to audio, use k3b, graveman, gnomebaker..
[10:56] <dcraven> QMario, you are using cupsd?
[10:56] <QMario> What is that?
[10:56] <delire> QMario: sorry you were talking about printers..
[10:56] <WeirdAl> k thanks. Sourceforge was no help :)
[10:56] <QMario> What is cupsd?
[10:57] <delire> an advanced printing system for Linux
[10:57] <dcraven> QMario, CUPSD == Common Unix Printing System Daemon I believe.
[10:57] <Trixisity> Hey eveyone greetings from Holland
[10:57] <thoreauputic> QMario: common unix printer system
[10:57] <Trixisity> Anyone here uses an optical desktop set
[10:57] <Trixisity> ?
[10:57] <delire> Trixisity: hej
[10:57] <Trixisity> hey delire
[10:57] <Trixisity> Dansk?
[10:57] <dcraven> QMario, is the printer physically plugged into a Linux box or a Windows box?
[10:57] <thoreauputic> dcraven: yours is more accurate :)
[10:57] <cikilin> k:on xp i put a cd into cd-rom and ask for sart playinf and it is playing
[10:57] <Tux-Rox> How do I set up a USB Wireless card in Hoary? The Networking Gnome systems tool is crap and is not showing the USB WiFi device, though it is seen in /var/log/messages and the driver is loaded for it, prism_usb.....
[10:57] <delire> Trixisity: nope, just work here..
[10:57] <dcraven> thoreauputic, oh I'm precise baby!
[10:58] <cikilin> now i want to do the same for ubuntu
[10:58] <Trixisity> ok
[10:58] <thoreauputic> dcraven: heheh :)
[10:58] <delire> Trixisity: 'optical desktop set'?
[10:58] <Trixisity> yeah
[10:58] <jameis> is there some sort of patch or a way to have the @#$$#@ linux kernel kill processes that are completely killing the system
[10:58] <Trixisity> Like a wireless keyboard and mouse
[10:58] <delire> i don't know what that is Trixisity
[10:58] <jameis> I mean come on rhythmbox just took down my whole system..
[10:58] <delire> Trixisity: ahah
[10:58] <delire> Trixisity: sure
[10:58] <Trixisity> okay
[10:59] <cikilin> can anybody help me?
[10:59] <Trixisity> and you use it on Linux?
[10:59] <Trixisity> what brand?
[10:59] <thoreauputic> jameis: uh... killall rhythmbox or pkill or kill -9 ...
[10:59] <dcraven> cikilin, System->Preferences->Removeable Drives and Media
[10:59] <kent> cikilin, There is a tool in the menu that configures that kind of action. You can get the computer to automaticly open a cdplayer when you insert a audio-cd. In Hoary its in System, i guess its there in Ubuntu Warty also.. Look for it.
[10:59] <delire> Trixisity: i have used many over the years.. it's all USB as far as the kernel is concerned
[10:59] <jameis> thoreauputic yah well uhh if you can't use the system at all cause the process is not only sucking cpu but also memory that isn't an option..
[11:00] <kent> cikilin, as dcraven says.
[11:00] <Trixisity> okay
[11:00] <aestetix> q: just d/led and burned the livecd, ran it on laptop... boot screen came up just fine, but the rest of the loadup is so dim I can barely see it. Any fix?
[11:00] <Trixisity> I got a PS/2 version
[11:00] <Trixisity> from sweex
[11:00] <delire> Trixisity: and it doesn't work?
[11:00] <Trixisity> just got windows drivers
[11:00] <thoreauputic> jameis: yah well we're here to help, but getting mad won't solve your problem
[11:00] <cikilin> where is system?
[11:00] <Trixisity> I didnt thought it needed much drivers
[11:00] <Trixisity> just plug in and work
[11:01] <Trixisity> but it seems the other way
[11:01] <kent> cikilin, the menu on the panel?
[11:01] <dcraven> jameis, you need to purchase a laptop so that you can ssh in and kill the process ;)
[11:01] <jameis> thoreauputic: well my question still stands. If the system is completely hosed because of a process how can you kill it the only way is really if the kernel did it since it still takes sysrq functions.
[11:01] <delire> Trixisity: have you tried it in Linux? ubuntu will provide the drivers for using that. they are fairly standard
[11:01] <cikilin> k
[11:01] <jameis> dcraven funny I am talking to you on that laptop ;) The system was completely hosed...
[11:01] <cikilin> witch
[11:01] <dcraven> Doh
[11:01] <jameis> but it was still computing and sysrq still worked
[11:01] <kent> cikilin, If you run Ubuntu warty, then its perhaps cald something else. I dont remember what :)
[11:01] <holycow> aestetix, are you sure your laptop isn't one of the older ones with the thingy on the side of the lcd to adjust that manually?
[11:01] <Trixisity> yeah I'm on ubuntu right now
[11:01] <cikilin> system configuration?
[11:01] <jameis> so the linux kernel should have been able to kill it..
[11:01] <Trixisity> coulden't find anything in synaptic
[11:01] <holycow> some laptops like gateways have a brightness switch via keyboard ... like ctrl/ up or down key
[11:02] <delire> Trixisity: ahah so it's working..
[11:02] <aestetix> It is and has, but I didn't think it was an issue because the Ubuntu boot loader shows up fine.
[11:02] <aestetix> And it's toggled on max brightness.
[11:02] <Trixisity> haha no
[11:02] <ompaul> jameis, if it is a standard build the machine should be able to auto recover if you can't get in easily
[11:02] <Trixisity> I'm now on a normal one
[11:02] <Trixisity> with a wire
[11:02] <delire> Trixisity: ok if it doesn't work when you plug it in, then just restart X. eg log out and log back in.
[11:03] <Trixisity> ok I'll try that
[11:03] <aestetix> I've run other livecds (gentoo, knoppix, etc) and they've worked fine.
[11:03] <Trixisity> First gonna check some sites
[11:03] <Trixisity> then I'll try that
[11:04] <ompaul> jameis, however it takes time ..
[11:04] <delire> Trixisity: even try a reboot if you want to be truly sure..
[11:04] <jameis> ompaul uhh 30 minutes of chugging away isn't long enough?
[11:04] <delire> jameis: what's up? a process eating your system memory>
[11:04] <delire> s/>/?
[11:04] <Trixisity> yeah I did that before
[11:04] <dcraven> I made a sexy gvim colorscheme.
[11:04] <Trixisity> but it didn't work
[11:05] <Trixisity> I'll try it again in a minut
[11:05] <jameis> delire yes and the kernel isn't smart enough in the 2.6 series to do anytihng about it within a timely manner.
[11:05] <ompaul> jameis, can you get onto that box?
[11:05] <cikilin> i went there and enable media......and not hearing
[11:06] <delire> jameis: have you tried a pkill <process>?
[11:06] <delire> jameis: or a straight kill -9 <process>
[11:07] <jameis> the system is still computing I can move my mouse but I cannot get in to the system AT ALL not remotely not in fronit of me haven't you guys ever had a process that is taking not only cpu or memory it kills the system completely IE you cannot use it at all
[11:07] <jameis> that was the situation I had
[11:07] <jameis> whcih in turn requiresw some sort of kernel action to get rid of the offending process
[11:07] <jameis> and appaerntly there isn't one cause 20 minutes or so of chugging still produced nothing
[11:07] <delire> jameis: hasn't happened to me in many years..
[11:07] <dcraven> cikilin, do you hear system sounds? As in, if you type "aplay /usr/share/sounds/question.wav" in a term, do you hear the drums?
[11:07] <jameis> delire well try loading say 70 gigs of mp3s with rhythmbox and enjoy your system dying..
[11:07] <delire> jameis: 70gigs!?
[11:08] <dcraven> jameis, I've only seen that happen in programs that I write.
[11:08] <delire> jameis: i hope you have DMA
[11:08] <cikilin> yes i do
[11:08] <jameis> yes I have dma
[11:08] <dcraven> cikilin, have you ever heard a sound out of that CDROM ever? In any operating system?
[11:08] <jameis> and I just lost an email since thudnerbird obviously has no @#$@# recovery mechanism damn..it is pooring today
[11:08] <jameis> ou
[11:09] <cikilin> i have two hards
[11:09] <delire> jameis: well i use a console jukebox called pytone. it chugs for about 10 minutes while grepping through my filesystem looking for mp3's..
[11:09] <cikilin> one with xp
[11:09] <cikilin> and working
[11:09] <DooD> hi guys
[11:09] <DooD> i have a problem
[11:09] <zenwhen> what is it
[11:09] <cikilin> another for two days ubuntu
[11:09] <DooD> i've installed the hoary from cd
[11:09] <kbrooks> er
[11:09] <redPanda> hi all
[11:09] <kbrooks> on guarddog
[11:09] <DooD> and i can't seem to be able to install kdevelop
[11:09] <kbrooks> how do i open 6667 to the web
[11:09] <DooD> kdevelop3:
[11:10] <DooD>  Depends: kdelibs4 (>=4:3.4.0) but it is not installable
[11:10] <DooD>  Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>=3:3.3.3) but it is not installable
[11:10] <DooD>  Depends: autoconf  but it is not installable
[11:10] <DooD>  Depends: automake  but it is not installable or
[11:10] <DooD>  	automake1.9  but it is not installable or
[11:10] <DooD>  	automake1.7  but it is not installable
[11:10] <DooD>  Depends: kdebase-bin  but it is not installable
[11:10] <DooD>  Depends: kdevelop3-data but it is not going to be installed
[11:10] <DooD>  Depends: kdevelop3-plugins but it is not going to be installed
[11:10] <delire> DooD: do you have universe repositories enabled? then an apt-get update?
[11:10] <DooD> here's what it says
[11:10] <DooD> anyone can help me out?
[11:10] <kbrooks> DooD, NO PASTING
[11:10] <dcraven> cikilin, I don't know where to look. I don't play music on the CD nor do I have any cd music. Have a look on the forum maybe?
[11:10] <delire> DooD: you need to apt-get update
[11:10] <thoreauputic> DooD: you just lost any good will you were hoping for
[11:10] <libben> any sfv checker for linux ?
[11:10] <ompaul> DooD, use pastebin.com or some such please
[11:10] <dcraven> DooD, use pastebin for that.
[11:11] <dcraven> yeah.. what ompaul  said.
[11:11] <DooD> i did
[11:11] <^thehatsrule^> LOL
[11:11] <^thehatsrule^> hehe
[11:11] <dcraven> haha
[11:11] <disturbed1> par2 commandline can check sfv's
[11:11] <dcraven> Looked like it was in the channel to me.. Sorry.
[11:11] <^thehatsrule^> its a site ^^
[11:11] <pantz> hi people - couldn't find anything to do with a roadmap on the site - can someone tell me if Hoary is due this week?
[11:11] <cikilin> sound card where can i found?
[11:11] <^thehatsrule^> pantz, i think so
[11:11] <thoreauputic> pantz: 8th of April
[11:12] <DooD> brb
[11:12] <pantz> thoreauputic, where did you pull that from?
[11:12] <dcraven> cikilin, I don't know what you mean.
[11:12] <delire> DooD: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kdevelop
[11:12] <thoreauputic> pantz: mailing list and staements on the wiki
[11:12] <thoreauputic> *statements
[11:13] <dcraven> If there ever were ops in here we could put the release date in the topic... Novel idea.
[11:13] <delire> DooD: your package list is out of sync with what is on the servers.
[11:13] <cikilin> i wana know if i have sound card
[11:13] <delire> cikilin: lspci | grep Audio
[11:13] <pantz> thoreauputic, so everything is still on track for a release tomorrow?
[11:13] <DooD> delire can we chat in private
[11:13] <thoreauputic> pantz: as far as I know
[11:13] <DooD> i need to paste
[11:13] <delire> cikilin: actually 'lspci | grep audio'
[11:14] <delire> DooD: did you do what i suggested?
[11:14] <pantz> cool! - can't wait
[11:14] <jameis> fuck
[11:14] <dcraven> grep -i audio will work :)
[11:14] <cikilin> done i have] 
[11:14] <DooD> yes
[11:14] <DooD> i did
[11:14] <Trixisity> Hey Delire
[11:15] <Trixisity> it works!
[11:15] <delire> DooD: i can't chat privately now, i have to leave.
[11:15] <pantz> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule :)
[11:15] <Trixisity> I don't know what it is
[11:15] <delire> Trixisity: ahah cool ;)
[11:15] <DooD> ugh
[11:15] <Trixisity> but I rebooted for the 3th time
[11:15] <DooD> ok
[11:15] <Trixisity> and now it works
[11:15] <Trixisity> let's hope it stays this way
[11:15] <dcraven> DooD, www.pastebin.com
[11:15] <delire> Trixisity: hmm, weird. well i hope it stays that way ;)
[11:15] <DooD> well thanks anyways
[11:15] <libben> couldent burn the dvd.iso... why gooood whyyyy... anyone? i clicked Burn cd image...
[11:15] <DooD> dc what's that
[11:15] <libben> couldent find a dvd image button
[11:15] <Trixisity> yes
[11:16] <delire> DooD: np, ask the others about adding the 'universe' and 'multiverse' pacakge repositories to be sure all dependencies are covered
[11:16] <delire> ok out..
[11:16] <dcraven> DooD, paste stuff there, then paste the link here.. Saves flooding this channel with garbage like you did.
[11:16] <DooD> i added universe multivers to sources.list already and did aptitude update and apt-get update
[11:17] <DooD> uhh i see
[11:17] <DooD> thanks dc
[11:17] <DooD> nice suggestion
[11:17] <dcraven> DooD, no problem.
[11:18] <cikilin> still can not hear the cd
[11:19] <ompaul> cikilin, did you hear any music as the machine started up?
[11:19] <thoreauputic> cikilin: do you have a nearby Linux Users Group? That might be the best way for you - the language difficulty is too much on IRC I think
[11:19] <cikilin> yesv i heart
[11:19] <cikilin> no i dont have nearby
[11:19] <dcraven> cikilin, maybe this thread can help --> http://tinyurl.com/4vzk6
[11:21] <thoreauputic> does anyone else think loading 70 Gigs of mp3s into rhythmbox at one go is a litlle bit ambitious?
[11:21] <bur[n] er> new release tomorrow right?!?!?
[11:21] <mjg59> Yes
[11:21] <bur[n] er> thoreauputic: 3 gigs is ambitious
[11:21] <bur[n] er> rhythmbox isn't usable
[11:22] <Arnia> Muine copes well with loading my 25Gb music collection at once
[11:22] <dcraven> thoreauputic, I'd say so. Something like Musik might handle it with an sqlite backend.
[11:22] <Arnia> It also searches it quickly
[11:22] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: that's what I thought :)
[11:22] <dcraven> bur[n] er, yes.. Tomorrow.
[11:22] <bur[n] er> but the kdelibs are ridiculus
[11:22] <bur[n] er> it gets up to about 250+ megs of RAM use
[11:22] <QMario> Why can't Windows use my printer driver over the network?
[11:22] <QMario> (16:22:47) QMario: Windows tells me that the driver is invalid.
[11:23] <dcraven> I'd rather go silent.
[11:23] <QMario> Heh
[11:23] <martinald> hi all. i'm having problems with totem yet again :(
[11:23] <bur[n] er> amarok has nice album covers though :)
[11:23] <dcraven> QMario, Is it because the driver is for Linux?
[11:23] <bur[n] er> beep-media-player is nice too
[11:23] <martinald> basically i started using the xine version over the gstreamer one because ffmpeg isn't good enough to play back xvid yet. however, now i have no mp3 playback
[11:23] <bur[n] er> QMario: shared from a linux box?
[11:24] <theine> nice new website design
[11:24] <QMario> Yes, then how can Windows use my driver?
[11:24] <dcraven> theine, yeah it's nice.
[11:24] <jc-denton> i've played a bit with ubuntu now
[11:24] <jc-denton> and i just got one question
[11:24] <bur[n] er> martinald: there's always gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:24] <jc-denton> why did u choose gnome instead of kde
[11:24] <Verithrax> How do I get grub off my MBR?
[11:24] <bur[n] er> QMario: put the driver on windows first
[11:24] <jc-denton> it sucks as hell
[11:24] <martinald> so could someone explain how i get both good xvid playback and mp3 playback at the same time with totem :)? i've added the w32codecs to my folder and that works fine but no mp3
[11:24] <QMario> Yes, it is shared on a Linux computer.
[11:24] <bur[n] er> jc-denton: kubuntu
[11:24] <vrln> jc-denton: there's kubuntu too
[11:24] <martinald> bur[n] er: "i started using the xine version over the gstreamer one"
[11:24] <dcraven> QMario, I didn't know it needed to. I have a printer plugged into my Linux box, shared using cupsd, and Windows prints to it using it's own drivers.
[11:25] <dcraven> QMario, hold up a sec.
[11:25] <bur[n] er> martinald: my bad... bit backwards... xine should play mp3s
[11:25] <mcrawfor> does hoary have a nice framebuffer boot screen?
[11:25] <bur[n] er> mcrawfor: yes
[11:25] <mcrawfor> neato
[11:25] <bur[n] er> mcrawfor: no splash screens... yes
[11:25] <bur[n] er> ...yet
[11:25] <mcrawfor> splash screens?
[11:25] <bur[n] er> nevermind ;)
[11:25] <martinald> it doesn't. can someone help me troubleshoot it please
[11:26] <bur[n] er> martinald: what are you trying to play mp3s with?
[11:26] <bur[n] er> totem?
[11:26] <mcrawfor> how about better support for susending to disk/ram?
[11:26] <bur[n] er> mcrawfor: wiki... and yes, there is support
[11:26] <dcraven> QMario, maybe this will help? It's similar to what I did --> http://tinyurl.com/52mxz
[11:26] <bur[n] er> mcrawfor: even in the gnoem menu
[11:26] <mcrawfor> hm.
[11:26] <thoreauputic> martinald: I have xine working, but I also have mpg123 installed (dunno if that makes any difference)
[11:26] <martinald> totem
[11:26] <martinald> ok
[11:27] <bur[n] er> martinald: use beep-media-player and see if it works
[11:27] <mcrawfor> because when I try to do the whole echo 'disk' > /sys/acpi/state thing - nothing happens at all
[11:27] <martinald> well i did have both xine and mp3 working at one stage but it's broke now...
[11:27] <bur[n] er> if not... apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:27] <martinald> i want to use totem
[11:27] <jc-denton> bur[n] er: yes sure
[11:27] <bur[n] er> just try it for kicks :)
[11:27] <mcrawfor> but acpi give accurate info about my batter/lid/etc
[11:27] <bur[n] er> see if something plays mp3s
[11:27] <martinald> please could you listen to me burner?
[11:27] <bur[n] er> try thrymbox
[11:27] <jc-denton> i installed kubuntu desktop
[11:27] <martinald> yes something plays mp3s
[11:27] <martinald> gstreamer plays mp3s
[11:27] <bur[n] er> totem-xine does not
[11:27] <mcrawfor> rhythmbox is very nice in recent versions
[11:27] <jc-denton> but it's not really finished yet
[11:27] <martinald> i'm using totem-xine because ffmpeg playback sucks
[11:27] <jc-denton> much stuff missing..
[11:27] <bur[n] er> rhythmbox is ass ;)
[11:27] <holycow> i saw rhythmbox has and ipod location now
[11:27] <bur[n] er> martinald: understandable
[11:28] <holycow> by as bur[n] er said, it's still ass
[11:28] <mcrawfor> bur[n] er: really?  It sure used to be, but I have been impressed with recent versions
[11:28] <jc-denton> rhytmbox is wanna-be-iTunes
[11:28] <libben> is there anhttp://hem.passagen.se/standby/linux/terminal-sfv_xchat_.png
[11:28] <libben> damit... wrong channel
[11:28] <mcrawfor> bur[n] er: no more crashing, quick updates of huge amount of songs, etc.
[11:28] <dcraven> I'm outta here for a bit. My wife is taking me to KFC! Wheeee!!
[11:28] <dcraven> Good luck QMario.
[11:28] <dcraven> ..and everyone else too :)
[11:28] <bur[n] er> mcrawfor: libaudiofile0 is loaded?
[11:28] <martinald> i've installed mpg123, no playback
[11:28] <mcrawfor> bur[n] er: what?
[11:28] <QMario> Thank you!
[11:29] <bur[n] er> mcrawfor: i meant martinald  ;)
[11:29] <mcrawfor> sorry
[11:29] <martinald> and how would i go about doing that?
[11:29] <thoreauputic> martinald: no playback of mp3 with mpg123? not even in a terminal?
[11:29] <bur[n] er> aw man, i'm sorry, i cant troubleshoot... i gotta go
[11:29] <martinald> no in totem
[11:30] <bur[n] er> totem plays my mp3s ;)
[11:30] <bur[n] er> see ya
[11:30] <martinald> nope no mp3 in mpg123
[11:30] <martinald> i'm typing mpg123 filename.mp3, is that right?
[11:30] <thoreauputic> martinald: yes, that should play
[11:30] <martinald> ok, it's not
[11:31] <martinald> my mp3s play fine in muine tho
[11:32] <martinald> and also rhythmbox
[11:32] <libben> anyone has burned dvds with gnomebaker? i dident had any luck on it... and the sfv checked it OK
[11:32] <martinald> thoreauputic: i don't understand, all this was working before
[11:32] <thoreauputic> martinald: I know little about sound, but crimsun (who does know ) was advising people to use esd for sound here a few days back, if I remember correctly
[11:33] <martinald> how do i set it?
[11:33] <thoreauputic> martinald: I'm on warty so I'm probably not much help
[11:34] <martinald> ok sure but isn't there some pointy-clicky stuff i can do to have xine use a different sound server? like gstreamer-properties; just for xine
[11:34] <thoreauputic> martinald:   gnome-sound-properties  ?
[11:34] <martinald> no because my gnome sounds work fine
[11:34] <martinald> it's just xine and mpg12
[11:34] <thoreauputic> I'm just guessing, frankly
[11:34] <Obsidians> I'm using Hoary, how can I manually edit the applications menu? The menueditor messed it up a little bit.
[11:34] <Grock> 23vmoW
[11:35] <Grock> Gaim
[11:35] <martinald> ok. so anyone else got any ideas?
[11:35] <Grock> HI is there a way to compile the sources for a kernel module while I'm compiling the kernel?
[11:35] <thoreauputic> martinald: doesn't xine have such settings in the preferences or other config dialogues ?
[11:36] <martinald> i'm using totem-xine lol :( no preferences
[11:36] <Grock> if that question seems strange it's because it's about adding a module not included in the linux-source
[11:37] <Grock> instead of doing it seperate can I do It all at once?
[11:37] <_d4vid> ky all
[11:39] <carlton> What does "Release Candidate" mean?
[11:39] <ompaul> 72% [385 openoffice.org-bin 34504292/41.7MB 82%]                 86.7kB/s 19m34s <-- too slow
[11:39] <borgista> It means it's the candidate to be released.
[11:39] <thoreauputic> martinald: for what it's worth - i have totem-xine and xine-ui here: totem xine crashes all the time, xine-ui works fine...
[11:39] <LadyRoot> what is on top of ubuntulinux.org new page? in opera browser it is not working!
[11:40] <borgista> It's an Ubuntu log...and the right, some tabs.
[11:40] <LadyRoot> yes, the tabs are not functioning properly
[11:40] <borgista> my tabs work fine.
[11:41] <borgista> but i'm using firefox.
[11:41] <LadyRoot> mine not
[11:41] <borgista> Then switch to firefox. =)
[11:41] <LadyRoot> I dont want, i want a well coded page :p
[11:41] <borgista> And that means giving up functionality?
[11:41] <thoreauputic> LadyRoot: you aren't the first Opera user to have problems with that page, if that's any consolation
[11:42] <LadyRoot> thoreauputic, ok, thanks, just noticed it
[11:42] <thoreauputic> LadyRoot: I checked the page - it's standarrds compliant according to the dillo bug checker anyway...
[11:42] <DooD> it seems archive.ubuntu.com is down
[11:42] <DooD> if you want to use archives you should use us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[11:42] <Goshawk> DooD, not for me
[11:42] <thoreauputic> LadyRoot: seemsto be an Opera quirk of some kind
[11:43] <apow> is there a way to install ubuntu via network?
[11:43] <ompaul>  LadyRoot that is a functional page - I wonder should you report a bug to Opera? ----->!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"
[11:43] <LadyRoot> thoreauputic, maybe in opera 8 something is fixed, will try
[11:43] <gds> hi everyone
[11:43] <DooD> not for you what
[11:43] <gds> I've got a big problem :-)
[11:44] <ompaul> gds, well not telling it won't half it
[11:44] <gds> I have move a swap partition over
[11:44] <gingermark> Hey guys, hope everyone is well. Was wondering if anyone could recommend a good program for Ubuntu that converts & resizes images?
[11:44] <borgista> the GIMP.
[11:44] <DarthFrog> gingermark: GIMP
[11:44] <borgista> That's what I use.
[11:44] <gds> and resume does not work :-(
[11:44] <thoreauputic> gingermark: or imagemagick for cli
[11:44] <gingermark> Is cli?
[11:44] <gingermark> sorry
[11:45] <gingermark> cli?
[11:45] <ompaul> command line interface
[11:45] <gingermark> ah
[11:45] <gds> I modified fstab
[11:45] <gingermark> sorry
[11:45] <thoreauputic> gingermark: command line interface
[11:45] <gingermark> newbie here
[11:45] <ompaul> gingermark, well we are new every day at something
[11:45] <ompaul> :)
[11:45] <gingermark> I'll try again with GIMP
[11:45] <gingermark> cheers
[11:45] <thoreauputic> gingermark:  http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/03/29/1525217
[11:45] <TrendKill> anyone have a link to a howto for libdvdcss in hoary?
[11:45] <gingermark> ta
[11:46] <gds> I haved to add noresume to boot the system
[11:46] <xamdm> TrendKill, just download the debian-package :-)
[11:46] <thoreauputic> TrendKill:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:46] <gds> ompaul, I can't understand " well not telling it won't half it"
[11:47] <ompaul> gds, a problem shared is a problem halved
[11:47] <ompaul> gds, :-)
[11:47] <TrendKill> thoreauputic, thanks
[11:47] <thoreauputic> no worries :)
[11:48] <LadyRoot> the Opera 8 beta3 browser shows the ubuntulinux.org web site OK, must have been a bug in earlier version
[11:48] <xamdm> TrendKill, http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/1.2.8/deb/
[11:48] <Grock> HI is there a way to compile the sources for a kernel module while I'm compiling the kernel?
[11:48] <Obsidians> How can I edit the application menu? I'm using Hoary.
[11:48] <thoreauputic> LadyRoot: ah - good to know - we can inform people: thanks
[11:48] <LadyRoot> :)
[11:48] <ompaul> Grock, that question does not make sense
[11:48] <xamdm> Obsidians, http://manny.cluecoder.org/packages/gnome-menu-editor/
[11:49] <Grock> ompaul: srry i meant to say extra modules, as in not included in the linux kernel sources
[11:49] <thoreauputic> Obsidians: or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21390&highlight=menu+editor+hoary
[11:49] <Obsidians> Yeah, I have that. But I've got things in my menu that it doesn't show, that it put there when I tried to use it. Like an extra copy of some of the menus.
[11:49] <carlton> Where's the best reference for playing DVDs with Totem or Xine? PPC platfrm
[11:50] <thoreauputic> carlton: problem with codec availability on ppc
[11:50] <gds> ompaul, thanks for yours interest
[11:50] <thoreauputic> carlton: I use mac-on-linux for multimedia video
[11:51] <ompaul> Grock, you should make the modules after the kernel
[11:51] <carlton> Will it work on my 400mhz G3?
[11:51] <sebastian> if i use xine i hear some noise obove my sound
[11:51] <sebastian> is there somethig like noise reduction?
[11:51] <thoreauputic> carlton: I don't know - mine is a 1.2 GHz iBook
[11:52] <carlton> Thanks Tho :)
[11:52] <thoreauputic> carlton: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MacOnLinuxHowto
[11:52] <Grock> oh I was hoping to compile using the kernel package tool with my fast computer copy the .deb over to the slow one and dpkg -i the kernel and modules on the slow computer
[11:52] <gds> There's an italian channel here?
[11:52] <thoreauputic> #ubuntu-it
[11:53] <gds> thanks thoreauputic
[11:53] <ompaul> grock this should help http://www.captain.at/programming/kernel-2.6/
[11:53] <TrendKill> xamdm, thanks
[11:53] <Grock> thanks I'll take a look
[11:53] <apow> is there a way to install ubuntu via network?
[11:53] <lamont_r> apow: not officially
[11:54] <lamont_r> apow: however, you might look in dists/hoary/main/installer-i386 or so
[11:54] <witless> hi guys.  just wondering how you got firefox to use native gnome dialogs in firefox, when this doesn't appear to be available in debian-unstable...?
[11:55] <stazich> hey guys, how to eject a cdrom through shell?
[11:55] <witless> eject /dev/<device> , i think
[11:55] <ompaul> stazich, type eject
[11:57] <thoreauputic> witless: your other question would be better in #ubuntu-devel - but they are kind of busy today :)
[11:57] <ompaul> really bad bug :) CDplayer can't id  lots of good CDs like queen greatest hits III  - grip can do it in a moment
[11:57] <stazich> my mac is 333, os9 worked much more stable and a bit faster.. anyone has any suggestions? i tried installing xfce, helped but not much
[11:57] <ompaul> thoreauputic, you don't say :)
[11:58] <thoreauputic> ompaul: can't imagine why :)  *grin*
[11:58] <lamont_r> thoreauputic: no.  is #ubuntu question
[11:58] <lamont_r> thoreauputic: ah, nm
[11:58] <thoreauputic> lamont_r: about firefox?
[11:58] <lamont_r> witless: we have a gnome god
[11:59] <ompaul> 343 megs of stuff downloaded and installed
[11:59] <ompaul> man this box needed a bit of an upgrade
[11:59] <gds> I have a big problem with resume (suspend)... how must I configure Ubuntu? I moved space partition over