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amumdz: 9b5cad114656546ce71a41d28f7a569f  hoary-install-amd64.iso installation complete, works _very_ nice ... it's soo fast  12:22
mdzamu: excellent, thanks12:28
cartel_please checkpoint alioth kde3.4 debs for kdesdk..12:28
cartel_i implore yoyu12:28
cartel_you*12:28
amucartel_: hi, something strange happened? 12:29
amu.. with kdesdk?12:29
cartel_amu: its out of sync with alioth12:30
datocartel_: they're testing final cd builds for tomorrow's release. this issue should have been brought up at least two days ago.12:30
cartel_lots of bugs fixed12:30
cartel_i only discovered/notified riddell yesterday12:30
cartel_evidently i am the only one using kdevelop on kubuntu 12:31
cartel_:)12:31
cartel_dato: i only got response from bab (debian upstream maintainer for kde3.4) yesterday12:31
cartel_dato: i guess it will have to go unfixed for hoary gold12:32
amucartel_: oh thanks for info, better inform in addition haggai and me next time.12:33
cartel_amu: its not a showstopper, just missing files for kdevelop12:33
cartel_amu: you will find subversion support quite broken with current packages ;)12:34
amucartel_: ok ;)12:34
cartel_amu: and also, no documentation browser in kdevelop12:34
cartel_amu: i only installed/setup/tried to use kdevelop yesterday, maybe i should have been more enthusiastic :)12:34
cartel_s/kdevelop/subversion12:35
amudato: cartel_ btw, i didnt follow ethe time for a better cooperation between kde-debian and ubuntu, something happend/decieded for now ?  12:35
cartel_amu: not sure12:35
cartel_i just talked to bab, he told me the bugs were fixed a while ago, i said i would mention it to you guys that you might want to checkpoint... also he says its fixed in KDE_BRANCH12:36
cartel_as opposed to the release branch12:36
cartel_which i assume is what we are using12:36
cartel_so we need to merge his kdesdk rules or something12:36
datoamu: mmm, well, I talked a bit with haggai some time ago. IIRC, he mentioned some issues with you having some issues about commiting in debian's repos, but we didn't talk more. I was left a bit disappointed (or rather, willing to explore other schemes of collaboration), but as I understood that is not the best moment prior to a release to get into changing things, I thought I'd postpone it a bit, until after the release. which is just 12:39
amucartel_: a problem could be, we have no static maintainers for packages12:39
cartel_amu: yes, and the maintainer in the package is listed as bab, even though he never signed off the ubuntu build, so by all rights i shouldnt bother him about it12:41
haggaidato: yes sorry we didn't get much further as I got too busy working towards the release12:41
cartel_unless there is some cooperation12:41
amudato: dont think wrong, you understood it right, we have to release it and time was close to the release  12:42
cartel_we need to do something about that, and also update reportbug to use bugzilla12:42
haggaicartel_: we're happy to change the maintainer field if the maintainer prefers.  The main reason for not doing it was to look like we were taking more credit than due where we didn't make large changes to the maintainers' work12:42
cartel_instead of debian bts 12:42
cartel_haggai: the maintainer field is there for who to contact if the package is broken12:42
datohaggai: no no, rather on the contrary, I fully understand that work for the release was needed, and I prefer a discussion without time-pressure when it can happen.12:43
haggaicartel_: that doesn't really work in [k] ubuntu anyway since there is no one package maintainer12:43
cartel_haggai: if i reportbug to him then he gets miffed because in debian he is release quality tested but in ubuntu he is not12:43
datoamu: yes, all fine here. :)12:44
haggaicartel_: so that field is a bit redundant, and I didn't want to drop the credit.  But I see this is awkward too as you say12:44
datouhm, doesn't Ubuntu's reportbug send to bugzilla by default?12:44
cartel_haggai: if we keep the maintainer feild we should checkpoint against his latest builds on alioth12:44
cartel_dato: send not retreive!!!!!!12:44
datoI believe I've read that was the case.12:45
haggaireportbug sends to ubuntu by default12:45
cartel_dato: theres no way to check without going to bugzilla12:45
cartel_dato: if the bug has already been submitted12:45
cartel_dato: in debian, reportbug retreives and lists all current bugs before allowing you to submit a new one12:45
cartel_dato: ubuntu reportbug just says ok, im going to file a report now, even if its a dupe12:45
cartel_dato: you could get a million bugs in bugzilla that way12:46
cartel_all dupes12:46
haggaicartel_: that was the case, at least for those packages I did: where I was using alioth I kept the maintainer, where I made large changes (eg kdebindings) I changed the maintainer field12:46
cartel_haggai: right12:46
cartel_haggai: but in a build where nothing changes except the revision12:46
cartel_haggai: something needs to happen whereby you are checkpointing against the upstream if you make none or very little changes12:47
haggaicartel_: the problem was, we were working with 3.4 which isn't in debian yet anyway so we can't really analyse this situation and produce a perfect workflow that will work next time12:47
cartel_otherwise you have people scrambling to submit patches (like i was yesterday) when its already fixed upstream12:47
cartel_haggai: kde is always a fast moving target in debian12:48
=== cartel_ remembers the 3.0 release saga
haggaicartel_: and we had to freeze too...12:48
haggaicartel_: I've been watching changes but there have been too many to hand merge12:48
cartel_haggai: better move would be to get bab to put his changes in ubuntu, as they are going into sid anyway, and then checkpointing against ubuntu rather than the other way around12:49
datohaggai: ack. we were in complete "experimental packages, we feel free" while kubuntu was focusing on stabilizing and releasing.12:49
cartel_in that way debian could get nice gnome/kde packages that are tested by a wide community12:49
datohaggai: I don't want to take more time from you now. very good luck with tomorrow's release, and let's speak some time within the following two weeks, if it's fine with you guys.12:50
haggaiok thanks a lot12:51
cartel_maybe in the grim darkness of the far future i will have time to help out with this process12:51
amuhmm as i remember 3.4.1 will be out in mid. may 12:52
cartel_:(12:59
cartel_maybe i can checkout the packages myself from alioth... but i have no idea what has to be done to ubuntuize them. i really need this functionality, without it there is no point in me using kubuntu, i may as well switch back to sid.01:00
amuthe release will be in about 5 weeks, means soon betas's of 3.4.1 will be announced01:05
haggaicartel_: there isn't a great deal to be done to ubuntuise a package - main thing is making sure build-deps are ok01:11
haggaicartel_: is the problem in kdesdk or in kdevelop?01:11
datoa simple kdesdk/debian update from KDE_3_4_BRANCH will do, at least for kio_svn.01:12
haggaioh, kdesdk :(  that is already frozen01:13
haggaidato: I knocked together a script to generate branch patches, but not for the debian dir.  Is this a debian dir problem?01:14
haggaiI can't find a bug report about this.01:14
haggaicartel_: is there a bug report open somewhere about this?01:14
datohaggai: wdym, "a problem"? if you mean that you update (when it's time to) debian/, you do it from svn, that's ok except for bab's packages, which are not in svn.01:15
haggaidato: I mean a problem that was fixed by a change in debian/ or elsewhere.  I didn't include debian/ updates in my generated patches because they are mostly out of date.01:17
cartel_haggai: its in the subpackages of kdesdk01:17
cartel_kdevelop, kdemisc01:17
cartel_er01:17
cartel_kdesdk-misc01:17
haggaicartel_: I'm asking because kdevelop is in universe which means it would be possible to do an update01:18
haggaicartel_: anything in main cannot be changed immediately (that includes kdesdk)01:18
cartel_haggai: i havent submitted a bug because reportbug is broken and doesnt list dupe bugs01:18
cartel_haggai: great news! what do i have to do01:19
datohaggai: it was fixed in debian/, of course (packaging update). but as it was bab's, the commit goes to cvs.kde.org (kdesdk/debian@KDE_3_4_BRANCH) instead of svn.debian.org/pkg-kde.01:19
haggaicartel_: ah, you need to use bugzilla.ubuntu.com please01:19
cartel_haggai: reccomend remove reportbug if it is broken01:19
haggaidato: sorry I didn't know the 'of course' because I could not find references to the problem itself01:19
cartel_haggai: or replace it with a placeholder that says "please use bugzilla"01:19
cartel_haggai: because debian users like myself that come to kubuntu see that reportbug is in the archive and expect it to work the same as debian reportbug01:20
haggaicartel_: yeah I'm not too sure on that one (reportbug), I've not been involved there01:20
haggaidato: hmm, so this is a kdesdk problem? :(01:21
cartel_haggai: and also it says "Will send report to Ubuntu", when actually it is sending a direct mail to the debian maintainer...01:21
haggaicartel_: really?  I did test it and the report always went to ubuntu-users@ubuntu.com01:21
haggaiuh, lists.ubuntu.com01:21
datohaggai: ha, I learnt about it (the problem) this morning, when seeing cartel_ asking bab. I'm not particularly concerned about this specific trouble, I just wanted to make sure that you're aware that there are 3 or 4 modules which don't get svn commits at all, but recieve bug fixes in debian/ via cvs.kde.org.01:22
dato(whoa, that was lengthy ;-)01:22
haggaidato: hmm thanks I wasn't aware that was where bab was committing too01:22
=== haggai looks for a place in kubuntu wiki to add that
datohaggai: and yes, kio_svn is in kdesdk.01:24
cartel_-- System Information:01:24
cartel_Debian Release: 3.101:24
cartel_heh01:24
cartel_so ubuntu is sarge, i didnt know that01:24
haggaicartel_: odd, is this maybe a hybrid somehow?  Maybe that's what confused reportbug01:25
haggaicartel_: where did you find that?01:26
cartel_haggai: reportbug 01:27
cartel_haggai: this is a clean install from hoary-install01:27
cartel_haggai: i think reportbug is totally fubar01:27
cartel_haggai: ahh, i see, it is sending to ubuntu-users. its been hardcoded01:28
haggaicartel_: if 'lsb_release -si' tells it that it is running on ubuntu, it goes to ubuntu-users01:29
haggai(just checked the code)01:29
cartel_haggai: but it didnt work, because it threw when trying to submit01:30
haggaiwhat do you mean by threw?01:30
cartel_TypeError: not all arguments converted during string formatting01:30
cartel_threw an exception01:30
haggaiah01:30
haggaierm, please can you make a bug report *duck* :)01:30
cartel_anyway, i fixed svn support by building kio_svn from source, so i can work.01:31
cartel_haggai: i loathe bugzilla :/01:31
haggaioh cool01:31
haggaiheh, don't we all? :)  Thankfully there is a replacement in the works01:31
cartel_haggai: are you implementing bts?01:31
cartel_ok what the hell01:32
cartel_why does a company backed by the founder of thawte use self signed certificates??????01:32
haggaime? no :) I'm not canonical.  You can have a look at the new system here: 01:32
haggaihttps://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs01:32
haggaino idea01:32
haggaithe new bug tracker is very new and not yet in full production so don't be surprised if there are still bugs in it :)01:34
cartel_i like it01:34
cartel_better than mantis01:34
haggaiah, mantis.  I used that in a past life because it was better with non techies with no time for bug trackers01:35
haggaiif you could report a bug against kdesdk mentioning what is missing that would be grand and help us make sure it gets fixed and tested01:37
haggaierm, in bugzilla :)01:37
cartel_blah, i tried to make a report for universe in bugzilla and it threw me at launchpad!!!!01:38
cartel_and it appears the server crashed when i tried to create an account :(01:39
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cartel_oh it finally responded01:40
Riddellevening01:40
Riddellwhat's the status?01:40
cartel_hi riddell01:40
cartel_you got what i said about kdevelop and kdesdk-misc?01:41
Riddellkio-svn is missing?01:42
cartel_yes01:42
cartel_and documentation browser is broken01:42
cartel_launchpad so slow01:44
Riddellthe whole website is slow01:44
haggaiwell you could file it in normal bugzilla since I think we'll probably be looking to move kdevelop into main for breezy anyway01:45
cartel_where do the names come from01:46
cartel_where the wild things are?01:46
cartel_also there are no badgers in africa01:46
cartel_but there are warthogs and hedgehogs01:46
cartel_:)01:47
haggaiheh :)  I guess it's in a faq somewhere01:47
cartel_debian will run out of toystory characters soon01:47
Riddellcan we turn on capslock=control by default for breezy, that's the most annoying thing on a fresh install01:47
Riddellthe kubuntu branding didn't make it into the Windows software on the live CD is seems01:48
haggaiRiddell: what, swap caps lock & control keys?  I don't think the majority of users will want that01:48
Riddellhaggai: pah, majority.  I want it damnit!01:48
haggaiheh, remind me to package kubuntu-default-settings-for-riddell sometime01:49
Riddellgood idea :)01:49
haggai(as a nice place to store all my spyware)01:49
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cartel_bug filed01:49
haggaihorray :) thx01:50
Riddellcartel_: bugzilla or malone?01:50
cartel_malone01:50
Riddellcartel_: url?01:50
cartel_didnt give me one01:50
Riddellcurious01:50
haggaihttps://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs01:50
cartel_it just swallowed the bug :)01:50
Riddellthere's also no kde-i18n packages on the CD, we need to work out how best to package that for breezy01:52
cartel_hahah there is a bug reported by mark shuttleworth01:53
cartel_Riddell: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/332 and https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/33101:53
cartel_and malone is horribly broken in konqueror 01:53
cartel_:)01:53
Riddellso are all the CDs tested and did we get to test the DVDs?01:56
cartel_Riddell: last i saw the a64 install wanted testing01:57
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haggaiRiddell: does this sound ok? "Changes include sudo support, an uncluttered desktop, a tidied K-Menu for applications and 'it just works' support for most hardware configurations"02:01
haggaiRiddell: or do you think 'out of the box' would be better02:01
Riddellhaggai: hmm, that's not really a change to KDE though02:03
haggaihmm, true02:04
Riddellhow about a separate sentence with it just works hardware support and project utopia/hal for removable devices02:04
haggaihmm but where without breaking the flow02:05
haggaishould there be a bullet point list of features?  I'm just thinking of someone wanting to scan the announce to decide if kubuntu is a distro that has what they want02:07
haggaisince we'll be attracting people who don't use ubuntu because it has gnome02:07
Riddellmaybe get rid of "including Gwenview 1.2 ..." and replace with a bullet list02:08
Riddelloh and the developer quoted at the start doesn't have to be me :)02:10
haggai:) the quote's good02:11
Riddellooh http://www.ubuntu.com/ now has non-naked people02:11
Riddellhaggai: bullet points added02:20
haggaiRiddell: just noticed.  I was trying to compose them too but yours were better02:20
Riddellah right, that's why we need the website in a version control repository02:21
haggaialthough I changed the 'for images' to 'image viewer' etc02:21
haggaiamarok music player02:21
haggaiK3b CD burner / Kaffeine video player02:21
haggaiand OpenOffice.org office suite02:22
haggaioh, and we need to mention the live CD too02:22
Riddelloh yes, go ahead and edit02:22
haggaido we really need the version numbers on the progs?02:23
Riddellprobably not, I just put in Gwenview because that was released a couple days ago02:25
Riddellbut then I chickened out because k3b and kaffeine have less impressive version numbers02:25
haggaiOOo does too02:25
haggaiso can we drop them apart from KDE 3.4?02:25
Riddellyeah02:26
haggaigot a good way to make a feature out of the live CD?  'Also available as a live CD' ?02:28
haggaipage updated02:29
RiddellUbuntu powered  should be Ubuntu-powered  otherwise it reads wrong02:29
haggaidone02:30
RiddellI can't think of anything better than "Also available as a live CD"02:32
haggaianything else?  Otherwise I think I'll go to bed02:52
haggaimdz: anything else need doing?02:53
mdzhaggai: DVD testing if you can02:54
haggaimdz: that'll take me all eve to download, but good idea I'll start a download to be ready when I wake up02:56
mdzhaggai: since they haven't been tested, we're planning to release them later anyway02:57
mdz(or if there's a problem, not)02:57
haggaiok, so I'll test them in the morning02:57
haggaihttp://kubuntu.org/download.php needs updating02:59
Riddelldo we have final URLs for download yet?03:00
mdzno, we won't have final URLs until we publish the announcement03:11
Riddellmdz: what time should I set my alarm for?03:15
mdzRiddell: 0800 UTC is the proposed time03:15
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haggaiarrgh my dsl router has gone on the blink03:21
Riddellhaggai: on dialup?03:22
haggaiRiddell: no but I can't get into my router.  I wanted to configure a bittorrent port for the machine with the dvd writer03:22
Riddellcan't just download?03:23
haggaiand now it seems to have forgotten the password03:23
haggaihopefully yes03:23
haggaiok at least I haven't lost my incomming ports, that would have been my phone gone03:24
haggaiETA for dvd 7 hrs03:39
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Riddelloh great, now I can't work out how to deop06:03
elmoop me06:03
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elmohaha06:05
elmochanserv luvs you06:05
Riddellchanserv confuses me06:05
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Riddellah hah06:06
Riddellno elite op power in #kubuntu though06:07
Lathiatif it makes anyone feel better the kubuntu intall seems to be working fine06:12
RiddellLathiat: x86?06:13
Lathiatyeh06:13
Riddellthat's a good sign06:13
Lathiatkaffeine crashed on my once but thats probably a kaffeine issue or somethign06:13
Lathiatcurious, kubuntu can play mp3s out of the box while ubuntu cannot with the gnome stuff06:13
Lathiatyeh theres definately a crasher with file->open in kaffeine but thats life.06:25
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BeineriRiddell: don't forget the pre-last FAQ entry :-)09:27
Beineripre-pre-last now09:27
=== ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:haggai] : http://www.kubuntu.org/ | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu | Drumroll, please...
BeineriRiddell: the FAQ link is wrong09:33
BeineriRiddell: the "Ubuntu Sudo FAQ" link seems to be also wrong09:36
RiddellBeineri: what's wrong with it?09:37
BeineriRiddell: it ask/redirects to a Login page?09:38
Riddellah fooey, that'll be their website change09:38
Beinerior do you have to register to view the documentation now? :-)09:39
Beineriseems that the whole FAQ disappeared09:40
Riddellyes09:41
Beinerihttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo maybe then?09:41
Riddellchanged09:42
Riddellwonder what happened to the FAQ09:42
haggaihmm I can remove the reference to k3bsetup being dangerous in the sudo faq09:43
Riddellhaggai: where?09:45
haggaihttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo section Possibel issues09:45
Riddellassuming it's not dangerous do take it out09:45
mdzare you guys ready to send out the announcement?09:46
Riddellmdz: yep09:46
mdzok, see #ubuntu-devel for coordination09:46
haggaiRiddell: we already disabled in the package since its not necessary on works-out-of-the-box kubuntu09:47
Riddellhaggai: best make it say that then09:50
haggaiRiddell: are you sending the announce?09:50
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Riddellannounce sent to ubuntu-announce09:51
haggaicool09:51
mdzcongratulations, guys09:53
mdzgreat work getting the release together on a tight schedule09:53
haggaithanks mdz for all your help too.  Hmm we didn't convert you to kubuntu yet did we? :)09:54
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Riddellallee: going to be our first installer?09:54
alleeRiddell: Hi.   I really wish I could.  but thursday night to sunday I only have ISDN (64kBit).  Too masochistic to even try it :( :( :( :( :( :(09:56
Riddellsomeone want to post to slashdot?09:56
Beinerifunny how the announcements differ, only one has quotes and press contacts :-)09:57
Riddellhere at kubuntu we like to be a bit more professional09:57
Beineri;-)09:57
alleeRiddell: cool statement09:58
Riddellhttp://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-April/000024.html09:59
BeineriRiddell: wiki pages?09:59
RiddellBeineri: what about them?10:00
BeineriRiddell: need an update?10:01
=== Riddell updates
Beineridistrowatch.com has Kubuntu news (but not Ubuntu yet :-)10:16
Riddellbwahaha10:16
Beineribut it's good to have an own news entry10:17
Riddelland someone in #ubuntu has already downloaded and installed the final thing, beating any reports of Ubuntu installs10:17
BeineriKubuntu Install CD is smaller than Ubuntu's :-)10:17
BeineriRiddell: KubuntuFiles update?10:20
haggaiRiddell: did you see sladen's comment about the php?10:23
Riddellnope10:23
haggai09:15 < sladen> haggai: it might be worth replacing that .php with a static page.  it's /. itself already10:23
haggai09:21 < sladen> is there any chance  www.kubuntu.org  could be put behind the reverse-proxy.  It's getting hammered10:23
haggaihmm cpu usage on the box is pretty low though10:25
RiddellI suspect it'll be the bandwidth rather than the server10:25
haggaiyup looks like it10:26
elmoeh?10:31
elmoit's got Gb to the internet10:32
elmoit's not bandwidth10:32
haggaiyup, 26 sec on localhost10:34
mdzew10:34
mdzthat's PHP for you ;-)10:34
BeineriRiddell: KubuntuFiles still talks about "release candidate" </nitpick> :-)10:37
haggaithere's large amounts of disk io happening10:39
RiddellBeineri: nitpicking is good.  this wiki is running quite slowly just now10:42
Beineriseems I have to nag Waldo more that he fixes Kubuntu Wiki for Konqueror :-|10:44
RiddellI think it's the whole plone site not just the wiki10:45
BeineriRiddell: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102925 btw10:45
BeineriRiddell: you could add the Swedish mirror to http://kubuntu.org/download.php10:49
Beineriand not listing England as first :-)10:49
RiddellBeineri: I don't see it at http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/10:50
Riddellah, found it http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/mirror/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/hoary/10:50
BeineriRiddell: http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/mirror/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/hoary/10:50
Riddell:)10:50
RiddellBeineri: fancy casting an eye over that dot story?11:02
BeineriRiddell: "With Kubuntu KDE now has the it deserves."? :-)11:15
Riddellhttp://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/  7 downloading ubuntu, 65 downloading kubuntu11:15
Beineridistrowatch effect11:15
RiddellBeineri: could be taken either way I suppose11:15
Beinerimention Live-CDs?11:16
Beineriand fix kubuntu.org server first ;-)11:17
haggaiseems its not php11:17
haggaidirectly, at least11:17
Beinerimention bittorrent11:17
haggaithe first time you fetch a page, regardless of whether its php or not, you get a long pause11:17
haggaiI mean the first time you fetch anything from the server11:18
Beinerilink to rc osdir screenshots?11:18
Riddellhaggai: because it can't do reverse DNS?11:18
haggaiRiddell: reverse DNS is a little slow but does work11:18
haggaiRiddell: cf the difference between netstat --ip and netstat --ip -n11:20
BeineriRiddell: the 7 downloading seems to be for snapshots, 220 are downloading ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso11:20
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haggaiindeed we are :)11:21
RiddellBeineri: story updated11:22
Beineriactually the screenshots were taken with the Preview...11:28
BeineriRiddell: cut the quote part from the into and put both quotes from the announce into the body11:29
RiddellBeineri: done11:34
Beineri<i>quotes</i>?11:35
RiddellBeineri: done11:36
=== Beineri is running out of ideas :-)
RiddellBeineri: feel free to approve11:38
=== Beineri ponders about the "the world leading K Desktop Environment" in the announcement atm... :-)
BeineriKDE leads the world?11:39
RiddellKDE grabs the world and throws it into desktop environment goodness11:40
Riddell"Kubuntu chose KDE because it was the only Free Software desktop environment with a sensible file open dialogue" said developer Jonthan Riddell11:41
Beinerihttp://dot.kde.org/1112950808/ for everyone11:42
Riddellcool, thanks Beineri 11:42
haggaigood stuff11:43
Beinerithe distrowatch ubuntu delay makes me think that its owner runs KDE might have an influence ;-)11:46
RiddellKubuntu at number 11 for the last month, still a good way behind Ubuntu11:47
=== Beineri guesses it will ever be. :-)
Riddellbut I'll bet all those Ubuntu hits are people looking for the KDE version of it :)11:48
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Riddellgosh, Mandriva, what a horrible name12:04
d3vic3hehehe12:04
Kamionoh, btw, I created kubuntu breezy seeds, usual place12:09
Kamionthe actual suite in the archive hasn't been set up yet though12:09
Riddellhaggai: did you try the DVD?12:16
Beineriosdir.com is fast: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=306&slide=29&title=kubuntu+5.04+final+screenshots12:27
Beineriseems they did the shots already yesterday evening12:34
Beinerihttp://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=306&slide=3312:34
Beineridistrowatch's Ubuntu news entry is smaller ;-)12:42
BeineriRiddell: you didn't blog? :-)12:50
Beinerihttp://www.golem.de/0504/37385.html (German)12:52
Beinerihttp://www.pro-linux.de/news/2005/8009.html (German)01:16
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=== Riddell blogs, delay down to a need for breakfast
RiddellI wonder if there's a secret osdir lurker on the channel01:24
Beinerior just someone who can read schedules? :-)01:24
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Beinerihttp://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/58365 (German) - mainly about Ubuntu :-|01:30
Beinerisomeone should wake up the English news sites ;-)01:31
BeineriRiddell: did you submit to Freshmeat?01:39
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haggaiRiddell: still burning02:09
BeineriRiddell: "Unfortunatly" typo in faq.php02:11
Beinerihttp://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1023602:22
apokryphosNot sure you can edit it, but from the dot: "Free Software desktop progra[ms] ." :)02:34
apokryphosThough, as far as I've seen a lot of Americans think "programme" is just one of our idiosyncratic alternative spellings, but it's generally used to mean different things02:35
Beinerime? can, but I guess that's some Scottish form :-)02:35
apokryphosRiddell really, but whatever. :D02:36
Beinerihttp://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=10236&offset=7 - typical :-|02:44
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QerubRiddell: There?02:58
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Beinerihttp://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/04/08/1213250.shtml?tid=162&tid=121&tid=10603:36
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haggaiarggh I can't boot from the dvd04:51
Beinerilinuxtoday.com doesn't mention kubuntu at all :-|04:51
haggaiit might be a drive/burning problem though - I've never booted from a dvd written using that drive04:51
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Beineridvds are not yet released afaik04:51
haggaiBeineri: hmm?  I'm testing the image for release...04:52
Beineri"for release", yes. but it's not announced/released yet so no public harm done :-)04:52
KamionI'm actually just waiting for work on our ISP to finish before pushing out the images ...05:04
Kamiondid all the DVD images get tested last night?05:04
Kamioner, s/pushing out the images/pushing out the torrents/05:04
haggaiKamion: I can't get the DVD image to boot05:16
Kamionwhich?05:16
haggaikubuntu-i38605:16
Kamionhm, surprising05:16
haggaiKamion: but it might be a hardware problem since I've not booted from a self-written dvd before05:16
Kamionyeah, I'm not going to be able to check myself :(05:16
haggaithe drive whirs for quite a while and after a long time my normal grub boot kicks in05:17
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je4dBeineri: hey, there will always be trolls.. I'm actually quite pleased to to see most comments putting ubuntu and kubuntu as equal citizens, rather than "main-distro" and "spinoff"05:19
haggaigah05:21
haggaitried on another machine and it does boot05:21
Kamionok, change of plan my end, DVD torrents will go out tomorrow05:21
Kamionso test all you like :)05:21
haggaicool thanks05:21
haggaiI'll have to repartition the machine where the dvd works to get space for a test install05:22
haggaiKamion: what time will they go out?  I'm out this eve05:22
BeineriKubuntu:Ubuntu downloads seem to be 1:205:28
BeineriKubuntu:Ubuntu downloads seem to be 1:2.7805:28
apokryphostorrent-wise it's nearly 1:3 peer-wise (at the moment)05:30
Beineriok, how do you calculate? downloading? downloading+downloaded? :-)05:31
apokryphosDownloading05:31
apokryphoslot more ubuntu seeds though05:31
Beineridownloading amd64 is 1:1.8 :-)05:31
apokryphosheh05:32
Beineriseeding is 1:4.9805:33
Beineridownloading+downloaded 1:3.605:35
=== apokryphos wonders if the ISO download stats are available anywhere
Beineriincluding every mirror? :-)05:36
haggaiDVD image is ok for live05:36
apokryphosyeah :P05:36
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RiddellKamion: someone says kubuntu-5.04-install-amd64.jigdo doesn't work because it has this line in it Template=hoary-install-amd64.template11:23
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