[12:22] <amu> mdz: 9b5cad114656546ce71a41d28f7a569f  hoary-install-amd64.iso installation complete, works _very_ nice ... it's soo fast  
[12:28] <mdz> amu: excellent, thanks
[12:28] <cartel_> please checkpoint alioth kde3.4 debs for kdesdk..
[12:28] <cartel_> i implore yoyu
[12:28] <cartel_> you*
[12:29] <amu> cartel_: hi, something strange happened? 
[12:29] <amu> .. with kdesdk?
[12:30] <cartel_> amu: its out of sync with alioth
[12:30] <dato> cartel_: they're testing final cd builds for tomorrow's release. this issue should have been brought up at least two days ago.
[12:30] <cartel_> lots of bugs fixed
[12:30] <cartel_> i only discovered/notified riddell yesterday
[12:31] <cartel_> evidently i am the only one using kdevelop on kubuntu 
[12:31] <cartel_> :)
[12:31] <cartel_> dato: i only got response from bab (debian upstream maintainer for kde3.4) yesterday
[12:32] <cartel_> dato: i guess it will have to go unfixed for hoary gold
[12:33] <amu> cartel_: oh thanks for info, better inform in addition haggai and me next time.
[12:33] <cartel_> amu: its not a showstopper, just missing files for kdevelop
[12:34] <cartel_> amu: you will find subversion support quite broken with current packages ;)
[12:34] <amu> cartel_: ok ;)
[12:34] <cartel_> amu: and also, no documentation browser in kdevelop
[12:34] <cartel_> amu: i only installed/setup/tried to use kdevelop yesterday, maybe i should have been more enthusiastic :)
[12:35] <cartel_> s/kdevelop/subversion
[12:35] <amu> dato: cartel_ btw, i didnt follow ethe time for a better cooperation between kde-debian and ubuntu, something happend/decieded for now ?  
[12:35] <cartel_> amu: not sure
[12:36] <cartel_> i just talked to bab, he told me the bugs were fixed a while ago, i said i would mention it to you guys that you might want to checkpoint... also he says its fixed in KDE_BRANCH
[12:36] <cartel_> as opposed to the release branch
[12:36] <cartel_> which i assume is what we are using
[12:36] <cartel_> so we need to merge his kdesdk rules or something
[12:39] <dato> amu: mmm, well, I talked a bit with haggai some time ago. IIRC, he mentioned some issues with you having some issues about commiting in debian's repos, but we didn't talk more. I was left a bit disappointed (or rather, willing to explore other schemes of collaboration), but as I understood that is not the best moment prior to a release to get into changing things, I thought I'd postpone it a bit, until after the release. which is just 
[12:39] <amu> cartel_: a problem could be, we have no static maintainers for packages
[12:41] <cartel_> amu: yes, and the maintainer in the package is listed as bab, even though he never signed off the ubuntu build, so by all rights i shouldnt bother him about it
[12:41] <haggai> dato: yes sorry we didn't get much further as I got too busy working towards the release
[12:41] <cartel_> unless there is some cooperation
[12:42] <amu> dato: dont think wrong, you understood it right, we have to release it and time was close to the release  
[12:42] <cartel_> we need to do something about that, and also update reportbug to use bugzilla
[12:42] <haggai> cartel_: we're happy to change the maintainer field if the maintainer prefers.  The main reason for not doing it was to look like we were taking more credit than due where we didn't make large changes to the maintainers' work
[12:42] <cartel_> instead of debian bts 
[12:42] <cartel_> haggai: the maintainer field is there for who to contact if the package is broken
[12:43] <dato> haggai: no no, rather on the contrary, I fully understand that work for the release was needed, and I prefer a discussion without time-pressure when it can happen.
[12:43] <haggai> cartel_: that doesn't really work in [k] ubuntu anyway since there is no one package maintainer
[12:43] <cartel_> haggai: if i reportbug to him then he gets miffed because in debian he is release quality tested but in ubuntu he is not
[12:44] <dato> amu: yes, all fine here. :)
[12:44] <haggai> cartel_: so that field is a bit redundant, and I didn't want to drop the credit.  But I see this is awkward too as you say
[12:44] <dato> uhm, doesn't Ubuntu's reportbug send to bugzilla by default?
[12:44] <cartel_> haggai: if we keep the maintainer feild we should checkpoint against his latest builds on alioth
[12:44] <cartel_> dato: send not retreive!!!!!!
[12:45] <dato> I believe I've read that was the case.
[12:45] <haggai> reportbug sends to ubuntu by default
[12:45] <cartel_> dato: theres no way to check without going to bugzilla
[12:45] <cartel_> dato: if the bug has already been submitted
[12:45] <cartel_> dato: in debian, reportbug retreives and lists all current bugs before allowing you to submit a new one
[12:45] <cartel_> dato: ubuntu reportbug just says ok, im going to file a report now, even if its a dupe
[12:46] <cartel_> dato: you could get a million bugs in bugzilla that way
[12:46] <cartel_> all dupes
[12:46] <haggai> cartel_: that was the case, at least for those packages I did: where I was using alioth I kept the maintainer, where I made large changes (eg kdebindings) I changed the maintainer field
[12:46] <cartel_> haggai: right
[12:46] <cartel_> haggai: but in a build where nothing changes except the revision
[12:47] <cartel_> haggai: something needs to happen whereby you are checkpointing against the upstream if you make none or very little changes
[12:47] <haggai> cartel_: the problem was, we were working with 3.4 which isn't in debian yet anyway so we can't really analyse this situation and produce a perfect workflow that will work next time
[12:47] <cartel_> otherwise you have people scrambling to submit patches (like i was yesterday) when its already fixed upstream
[12:48] <cartel_> haggai: kde is always a fast moving target in debian
[12:48] <haggai> cartel_: and we had to freeze too...
[12:48] <haggai> cartel_: I've been watching changes but there have been too many to hand merge
[12:49] <cartel_> haggai: better move would be to get bab to put his changes in ubuntu, as they are going into sid anyway, and then checkpointing against ubuntu rather than the other way around
[12:49] <dato> haggai: ack. we were in complete "experimental packages, we feel free" while kubuntu was focusing on stabilizing and releasing.
[12:49] <cartel_> in that way debian could get nice gnome/kde packages that are tested by a wide community
[12:50] <dato> haggai: I don't want to take more time from you now. very good luck with tomorrow's release, and let's speak some time within the following two weeks, if it's fine with you guys.
[12:51] <haggai> ok thanks a lot
[12:51] <cartel_> maybe in the grim darkness of the far future i will have time to help out with this process
[12:52] <amu> hmm as i remember 3.4.1 will be out in mid. may 
[12:59] <cartel_> :(
[01:00] <cartel_> maybe i can checkout the packages myself from alioth... but i have no idea what has to be done to ubuntuize them. i really need this functionality, without it there is no point in me using kubuntu, i may as well switch back to sid.
[01:05] <amu> the release will be in about 5 weeks, means soon betas's of 3.4.1 will be announced
[01:11] <haggai> cartel_: there isn't a great deal to be done to ubuntuise a package - main thing is making sure build-deps are ok
[01:11] <haggai> cartel_: is the problem in kdesdk or in kdevelop?
[01:12] <dato> a simple kdesdk/debian update from KDE_3_4_BRANCH will do, at least for kio_svn.
[01:13] <haggai> oh, kdesdk :(  that is already frozen
[01:14] <haggai> dato: I knocked together a script to generate branch patches, but not for the debian dir.  Is this a debian dir problem?
[01:14] <haggai> I can't find a bug report about this.
[01:14] <haggai> cartel_: is there a bug report open somewhere about this?
[01:15] <dato> haggai: wdym, "a problem"? if you mean that you update (when it's time to) debian/, you do it from svn, that's ok except for bab's packages, which are not in svn.
[01:17] <haggai> dato: I mean a problem that was fixed by a change in debian/ or elsewhere.  I didn't include debian/ updates in my generated patches because they are mostly out of date.
[01:17] <cartel_> haggai: its in the subpackages of kdesdk
[01:17] <cartel_> kdevelop, kdemisc
[01:17] <cartel_> er
[01:17] <cartel_> kdesdk-misc
[01:18] <haggai> cartel_: I'm asking because kdevelop is in universe which means it would be possible to do an update
[01:18] <haggai> cartel_: anything in main cannot be changed immediately (that includes kdesdk)
[01:18] <cartel_> haggai: i havent submitted a bug because reportbug is broken and doesnt list dupe bugs
[01:19] <cartel_> haggai: great news! what do i have to do
[01:19] <dato> haggai: it was fixed in debian/, of course (packaging update). but as it was bab's, the commit goes to cvs.kde.org (kdesdk/debian@KDE_3_4_BRANCH) instead of svn.debian.org/pkg-kde.
[01:19] <haggai> cartel_: ah, you need to use bugzilla.ubuntu.com please
[01:19] <cartel_> haggai: reccomend remove reportbug if it is broken
[01:19] <haggai> dato: sorry I didn't know the 'of course' because I could not find references to the problem itself
[01:19] <cartel_> haggai: or replace it with a placeholder that says "please use bugzilla"
[01:20] <cartel_> haggai: because debian users like myself that come to kubuntu see that reportbug is in the archive and expect it to work the same as debian reportbug
[01:20] <haggai> cartel_: yeah I'm not too sure on that one (reportbug), I've not been involved there
[01:21] <haggai> dato: hmm, so this is a kdesdk problem? :(
[01:21] <cartel_> haggai: and also it says "Will send report to Ubuntu", when actually it is sending a direct mail to the debian maintainer...
[01:21] <haggai> cartel_: really?  I did test it and the report always went to ubuntu-users@ubuntu.com
[01:21] <haggai> uh, lists.ubuntu.com
[01:22] <dato> haggai: ha, I learnt about it (the problem) this morning, when seeing cartel_ asking bab. I'm not particularly concerned about this specific trouble, I just wanted to make sure that you're aware that there are 3 or 4 modules which don't get svn commits at all, but recieve bug fixes in debian/ via cvs.kde.org.
[01:22] <dato> (whoa, that was lengthy ;-)
[01:22] <haggai> dato: hmm thanks I wasn't aware that was where bab was committing too
[01:24] <dato> haggai: and yes, kio_svn is in kdesdk.
[01:24] <cartel_> -- System Information:
[01:24] <cartel_> Debian Release: 3.1
[01:24] <cartel_> heh
[01:24] <cartel_> so ubuntu is sarge, i didnt know that
[01:25] <haggai> cartel_: odd, is this maybe a hybrid somehow?  Maybe that's what confused reportbug
[01:26] <haggai> cartel_: where did you find that?
[01:27] <cartel_> haggai: reportbug 
[01:27] <cartel_> haggai: this is a clean install from hoary-install
[01:27] <cartel_> haggai: i think reportbug is totally fubar
[01:28] <cartel_> haggai: ahh, i see, it is sending to ubuntu-users. its been hardcoded
[01:29] <haggai> cartel_: if 'lsb_release -si' tells it that it is running on ubuntu, it goes to ubuntu-users
[01:29] <haggai> (just checked the code)
[01:30] <cartel_> haggai: but it didnt work, because it threw when trying to submit
[01:30] <haggai> what do you mean by threw?
[01:30] <cartel_> TypeError: not all arguments converted during string formatting
[01:30] <cartel_> threw an exception
[01:30] <haggai> ah
[01:30] <haggai> erm, please can you make a bug report *duck* :)
[01:31] <cartel_> anyway, i fixed svn support by building kio_svn from source, so i can work.
[01:31] <cartel_> haggai: i loathe bugzilla :/
[01:31] <haggai> oh cool
[01:31] <haggai> heh, don't we all? :)  Thankfully there is a replacement in the works
[01:31] <cartel_> haggai: are you implementing bts?
[01:32] <cartel_> ok what the hell
[01:32] <cartel_> why does a company backed by the founder of thawte use self signed certificates??????
[01:32] <haggai> me? no :) I'm not canonical.  You can have a look at the new system here: 
[01:32] <haggai> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[01:32] <haggai> no idea
[01:34] <haggai> the new bug tracker is very new and not yet in full production so don't be surprised if there are still bugs in it :)
[01:34] <cartel_> i like it
[01:34] <cartel_> better than mantis
[01:35] <haggai> ah, mantis.  I used that in a past life because it was better with non techies with no time for bug trackers
[01:37] <haggai> if you could report a bug against kdesdk mentioning what is missing that would be grand and help us make sure it gets fixed and tested
[01:37] <haggai> erm, in bugzilla :)
[01:38] <cartel_> blah, i tried to make a report for universe in bugzilla and it threw me at launchpad!!!!
[01:39] <cartel_> and it appears the server crashed when i tried to create an account :(
[01:40] <cartel_> oh it finally responded
[01:40] <Riddell> evening
[01:40] <Riddell> what's the status?
[01:40] <cartel_> hi riddell
[01:41] <cartel_> you got what i said about kdevelop and kdesdk-misc?
[01:42] <Riddell> kio-svn is missing?
[01:42] <cartel_> yes
[01:42] <cartel_> and documentation browser is broken
[01:44] <cartel_> launchpad so slow
[01:44] <Riddell> the whole website is slow
[01:45] <haggai> well you could file it in normal bugzilla since I think we'll probably be looking to move kdevelop into main for breezy anyway
[01:46] <cartel_> where do the names come from
[01:46] <cartel_> where the wild things are?
[01:46] <cartel_> also there are no badgers in africa
[01:46] <cartel_> but there are warthogs and hedgehogs
[01:47] <cartel_> :)
[01:47] <haggai> heh :)  I guess it's in a faq somewhere
[01:47] <cartel_> debian will run out of toystory characters soon
[01:47] <Riddell> can we turn on capslock=control by default for breezy, that's the most annoying thing on a fresh install
[01:48] <Riddell> the kubuntu branding didn't make it into the Windows software on the live CD is seems
[01:48] <haggai> Riddell: what, swap caps lock & control keys?  I don't think the majority of users will want that
[01:48] <Riddell> haggai: pah, majority.  I want it damnit!
[01:49] <haggai> heh, remind me to package kubuntu-default-settings-for-riddell sometime
[01:49] <Riddell> good idea :)
[01:49] <haggai> (as a nice place to store all my spyware)
[01:49] <cartel_> bug filed
[01:50] <haggai> horray :) thx
[01:50] <Riddell> cartel_: bugzilla or malone?
[01:50] <cartel_> malone
[01:50] <Riddell> cartel_: url?
[01:50] <cartel_> didnt give me one
[01:50] <Riddell> curious
[01:50] <haggai> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[01:50] <cartel_> it just swallowed the bug :)
[01:52] <Riddell> there's also no kde-i18n packages on the CD, we need to work out how best to package that for breezy
[01:53] <cartel_> hahah there is a bug reported by mark shuttleworth
[01:53] <cartel_> Riddell: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/332 and https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/331
[01:53] <cartel_> and malone is horribly broken in konqueror 
[01:53] <cartel_> :)
[01:56] <Riddell> so are all the CDs tested and did we get to test the DVDs?
[01:57] <cartel_> Riddell: last i saw the a64 install wanted testing
[02:01] <haggai> Riddell: does this sound ok? "Changes include sudo support, an uncluttered desktop, a tidied K-Menu for applications and 'it just works' support for most hardware configurations"
[02:01] <haggai> Riddell: or do you think 'out of the box' would be better
[02:03] <Riddell> haggai: hmm, that's not really a change to KDE though
[02:04] <haggai> hmm, true
[02:04] <Riddell> how about a separate sentence with it just works hardware support and project utopia/hal for removable devices
[02:05] <haggai> hmm but where without breaking the flow
[02:07] <haggai> should there be a bullet point list of features?  I'm just thinking of someone wanting to scan the announce to decide if kubuntu is a distro that has what they want
[02:07] <haggai> since we'll be attracting people who don't use ubuntu because it has gnome
[02:08] <Riddell> maybe get rid of "including Gwenview 1.2 ..." and replace with a bullet list
[02:10] <Riddell> oh and the developer quoted at the start doesn't have to be me :)
[02:11] <haggai> :) the quote's good
[02:11] <Riddell> ooh http://www.ubuntu.com/ now has non-naked people
[02:20] <Riddell> haggai: bullet points added
[02:20] <haggai> Riddell: just noticed.  I was trying to compose them too but yours were better
[02:21] <Riddell> ah right, that's why we need the website in a version control repository
[02:21] <haggai> although I changed the 'for images' to 'image viewer' etc
[02:21] <haggai> amarok music player
[02:21] <haggai> K3b CD burner / Kaffeine video player
[02:22] <haggai> and OpenOffice.org office suite
[02:22] <haggai> oh, and we need to mention the live CD too
[02:22] <Riddell> oh yes, go ahead and edit
[02:23] <haggai> do we really need the version numbers on the progs?
[02:25] <Riddell> probably not, I just put in Gwenview because that was released a couple days ago
[02:25] <Riddell> but then I chickened out because k3b and kaffeine have less impressive version numbers
[02:25] <haggai> OOo does too
[02:25] <haggai> so can we drop them apart from KDE 3.4?
[02:26] <Riddell> yeah
[02:28] <haggai> got a good way to make a feature out of the live CD?  'Also available as a live CD' ?
[02:29] <haggai> page updated
[02:29] <Riddell> Ubuntu powered  should be Ubuntu-powered  otherwise it reads wrong
[02:30] <haggai> done
[02:32] <Riddell> I can't think of anything better than "Also available as a live CD"
[02:52] <haggai> anything else?  Otherwise I think I'll go to bed
[02:53] <haggai> mdz: anything else need doing?
[02:54] <mdz> haggai: DVD testing if you can
[02:56] <haggai> mdz: that'll take me all eve to download, but good idea I'll start a download to be ready when I wake up
[02:57] <mdz> haggai: since they haven't been tested, we're planning to release them later anyway
[02:57] <mdz> (or if there's a problem, not)
[02:57] <haggai> ok, so I'll test them in the morning
[02:59] <haggai> http://kubuntu.org/download.php needs updating
[03:00] <Riddell> do we have final URLs for download yet?
[03:11] <mdz> no, we won't have final URLs until we publish the announcement
[03:15] <Riddell> mdz: what time should I set my alarm for?
[03:15] <mdz> Riddell: 0800 UTC is the proposed time
[03:21] <haggai> arrgh my dsl router has gone on the blink
[03:22] <Riddell> haggai: on dialup?
[03:22] <haggai> Riddell: no but I can't get into my router.  I wanted to configure a bittorrent port for the machine with the dvd writer
[03:23] <Riddell> can't just download?
[03:23] <haggai> and now it seems to have forgotten the password
[03:23] <haggai> hopefully yes
[03:24] <haggai> ok at least I haven't lost my incomming ports, that would have been my phone gone
[03:39] <haggai> ETA for dvd 7 hrs
[06:03] <Riddell> oh great, now I can't work out how to deop
[06:03] <elmo> op me
[06:05] <elmo> haha
[06:05] <elmo> chanserv luvs you
[06:05] <Riddell> chanserv confuses me
[06:06] <Riddell> ah hah
[06:07] <Riddell> no elite op power in #kubuntu though
[06:12] <Lathiat> if it makes anyone feel better the kubuntu intall seems to be working fine
[06:13] <Riddell> Lathiat: x86?
[06:13] <Lathiat> yeh
[06:13] <Riddell> that's a good sign
[06:13] <Lathiat> kaffeine crashed on my once but thats probably a kaffeine issue or somethign
[06:13] <Lathiat> curious, kubuntu can play mp3s out of the box while ubuntu cannot with the gnome stuff
[06:25] <Lathiat> yeh theres definately a crasher with file->open in kaffeine but thats life.
[09:27] <Beineri> Riddell: don't forget the pre-last FAQ entry :-)
[09:27] <Beineri> pre-pre-last now
[09:33] <Beineri> Riddell: the FAQ link is wrong
[09:36] <Beineri> Riddell: the "Ubuntu Sudo FAQ" link seems to be also wrong
[09:37] <Riddell> Beineri: what's wrong with it?
[09:38] <Beineri> Riddell: it ask/redirects to a Login page?
[09:38] <Riddell> ah fooey, that'll be their website change
[09:39] <Beineri> or do you have to register to view the documentation now? :-)
[09:40] <Beineri> seems that the whole FAQ disappeared
[09:41] <Riddell> yes
[09:41] <Beineri> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo maybe then?
[09:42] <Riddell> changed
[09:42] <Riddell> wonder what happened to the FAQ
[09:43] <haggai> hmm I can remove the reference to k3bsetup being dangerous in the sudo faq
[09:45] <Riddell> haggai: where?
[09:45] <haggai> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo section Possibel issues
[09:45] <Riddell> assuming it's not dangerous do take it out
[09:46] <mdz> are you guys ready to send out the announcement?
[09:46] <Riddell> mdz: yep
[09:46] <mdz> ok, see #ubuntu-devel for coordination
[09:47] <haggai> Riddell: we already disabled in the package since its not necessary on works-out-of-the-box kubuntu
[09:50] <Riddell> haggai: best make it say that then
[09:50] <haggai> Riddell: are you sending the announce?
[09:51] <Riddell> announce sent to ubuntu-announce
[09:51] <haggai> cool
[09:53] <mdz> congratulations, guys
[09:53] <mdz> great work getting the release together on a tight schedule
[09:54] <haggai> thanks mdz for all your help too.  Hmm we didn't convert you to kubuntu yet did we? :)
[09:54] <Riddell> allee: going to be our first installer?
[09:56] <allee> Riddell: Hi.   I really wish I could.  but thursday night to sunday I only have ISDN (64kBit).  Too masochistic to even try it :( :( :( :( :( :(
[09:56] <Riddell> someone want to post to slashdot?
[09:57] <Beineri> funny how the announcements differ, only one has quotes and press contacts :-)
[09:57] <Riddell> here at kubuntu we like to be a bit more professional
[09:57] <Beineri> ;-)
[09:58] <allee> Riddell: cool statement
[09:59] <Riddell> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-April/000024.html
[09:59] <Beineri> Riddell: wiki pages?
[10:00] <Riddell> Beineri: what about them?
[10:01] <Beineri> Riddell: need an update?
[10:16] <Beineri> distrowatch.com has Kubuntu news (but not Ubuntu yet :-)
[10:16] <Riddell> bwahaha
[10:17] <Beineri> but it's good to have an own news entry
[10:17] <Riddell> and someone in #ubuntu has already downloaded and installed the final thing, beating any reports of Ubuntu installs
[10:17] <Beineri> Kubuntu Install CD is smaller than Ubuntu's :-)
[10:20] <Beineri> Riddell: KubuntuFiles update?
[10:23] <haggai> Riddell: did you see sladen's comment about the php?
[10:23] <Riddell> nope
[10:23] <haggai> 09:15 < sladen> haggai: it might be worth replacing that .php with a static page.  it's /. itself already
[10:23] <haggai> 09:21 < sladen> is there any chance  www.kubuntu.org  could be put behind the reverse-proxy.  It's getting hammered
[10:25] <haggai> hmm cpu usage on the box is pretty low though
[10:25] <Riddell> I suspect it'll be the bandwidth rather than the server
[10:26] <haggai> yup looks like it
[10:31] <elmo> eh?
[10:32] <elmo> it's got Gb to the internet
[10:32] <elmo> it's not bandwidth
[10:34] <haggai> yup, 26 sec on localhost
[10:34] <mdz> ew
[10:34] <mdz> that's PHP for you ;-)
[10:37] <Beineri> Riddell: KubuntuFiles still talks about "release candidate" </nitpick> :-)
[10:39] <haggai> there's large amounts of disk io happening
[10:42] <Riddell> Beineri: nitpicking is good.  this wiki is running quite slowly just now
[10:44] <Beineri> seems I have to nag Waldo more that he fixes Kubuntu Wiki for Konqueror :-|
[10:45] <Riddell> I think it's the whole plone site not just the wiki
[10:45] <Beineri> Riddell: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102925 btw
[10:49] <Beineri> Riddell: you could add the Swedish mirror to http://kubuntu.org/download.php
[10:49] <Beineri> and not listing England as first :-)
[10:50] <Riddell> Beineri: I don't see it at http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[10:50] <Riddell> ah, found it http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/mirror/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/hoary/
[10:50] <Beineri> Riddell: http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/mirror/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/hoary/
[10:50] <Riddell> :)
[11:02] <Riddell> Beineri: fancy casting an eye over that dot story?
[11:15] <Beineri> Riddell: "With Kubuntu KDE now has the it deserves."? :-)
[11:15] <Riddell> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/  7 downloading ubuntu, 65 downloading kubuntu
[11:15] <Beineri> distrowatch effect
[11:15] <Riddell> Beineri: could be taken either way I suppose
[11:16] <Beineri> mention Live-CDs?
[11:17] <Beineri> and fix kubuntu.org server first ;-)
[11:17] <haggai> seems its not php
[11:17] <haggai> directly, at least
[11:17] <Beineri> mention bittorrent
[11:17] <haggai> the first time you fetch a page, regardless of whether its php or not, you get a long pause
[11:18] <haggai> I mean the first time you fetch anything from the server
[11:18] <Beineri> link to rc osdir screenshots?
[11:18] <Riddell> haggai: because it can't do reverse DNS?
[11:18] <haggai> Riddell: reverse DNS is a little slow but does work
[11:20] <haggai> Riddell: cf the difference between netstat --ip and netstat --ip -n
[11:20] <Beineri> Riddell: the 7 downloading seems to be for snapshots, 220 are downloading ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[11:21] <haggai> indeed we are :)
[11:22] <Riddell> Beineri: story updated
[11:28] <Beineri> actually the screenshots were taken with the Preview...
[11:29] <Beineri> Riddell: cut the quote part from the into and put both quotes from the announce into the body
[11:34] <Riddell> Beineri: done
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[11:36] <Riddell> Beineri: done
[11:38] <Riddell> Beineri: feel free to approve
[11:39] <Beineri> KDE leads the world?
[11:40] <Riddell> KDE grabs the world and throws it into desktop environment goodness
[11:41] <Riddell> "Kubuntu chose KDE because it was the only Free Software desktop environment with a sensible file open dialogue" said developer Jonthan Riddell
[11:42] <Beineri> http://dot.kde.org/1112950808/ for everyone
[11:42] <Riddell> cool, thanks Beineri 
[11:43] <haggai> good stuff
[11:46] <Beineri> the distrowatch ubuntu delay makes me think that its owner runs KDE might have an influence ;-)
[11:47] <Riddell> Kubuntu at number 11 for the last month, still a good way behind Ubuntu
[11:48] <Riddell> but I'll bet all those Ubuntu hits are people looking for the KDE version of it :)
[12:04] <Riddell> gosh, Mandriva, what a horrible name
[12:04] <d3vic3> hehehe
[12:09] <Kamion> oh, btw, I created kubuntu breezy seeds, usual place
[12:09] <Kamion> the actual suite in the archive hasn't been set up yet though
[12:16] <Riddell> haggai: did you try the DVD?
[12:27] <Beineri> osdir.com is fast: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=306&slide=29&title=kubuntu+5.04+final+screenshots
[12:34] <Beineri> seems they did the shots already yesterday evening
[12:34] <Beineri> http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=306&slide=33
[12:42] <Beineri> distrowatch's Ubuntu news entry is smaller ;-)
[12:50] <Beineri> Riddell: you didn't blog? :-)
[12:52] <Beineri> http://www.golem.de/0504/37385.html (German)
[01:16] <Beineri> http://www.pro-linux.de/news/2005/8009.html (German)
[01:24] <Riddell> I wonder if there's a secret osdir lurker on the channel
[01:24] <Beineri> or just someone who can read schedules? :-)
[01:30] <Beineri> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/58365 (German) - mainly about Ubuntu :-|
[01:31] <Beineri> someone should wake up the English news sites ;-)
[01:39] <Beineri> Riddell: did you submit to Freshmeat?
[02:09] <haggai> Riddell: still burning
[02:11] <Beineri> Riddell: "Unfortunatly" typo in faq.php
[02:22] <Beineri> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=10236
[02:34] <apokryphos> Not sure you can edit it, but from the dot: "Free Software desktop progra[ms] ." :)
[02:35] <apokryphos> Though, as far as I've seen a lot of Americans think "programme" is just one of our idiosyncratic alternative spellings, but it's generally used to mean different things
[02:35] <Beineri> me? can, but I guess that's some Scottish form :-)
[02:36] <apokryphos> Riddell really, but whatever. :D
[02:44] <Beineri> http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=10236&offset=7 - typical :-|
[02:58] <Qerub> Riddell: There?
[03:36] <Beineri> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/04/08/1213250.shtml?tid=162&tid=121&tid=106
[04:51] <haggai> arggh I can't boot from the dvd
[04:51] <Beineri> linuxtoday.com doesn't mention kubuntu at all :-|
[04:51] <haggai> it might be a drive/burning problem though - I've never booted from a dvd written using that drive
[04:51] <Beineri> dvds are not yet released afaik
[04:52] <haggai> Beineri: hmm?  I'm testing the image for release...
[04:52] <Beineri> "for release", yes. but it's not announced/released yet so no public harm done :-)
[05:04] <Kamion> I'm actually just waiting for work on our ISP to finish before pushing out the images ...
[05:04] <Kamion> did all the DVD images get tested last night?
[05:04] <Kamion> er, s/pushing out the images/pushing out the torrents/
[05:16] <haggai> Kamion: I can't get the DVD image to boot
[05:16] <Kamion> which?
[05:16] <haggai> kubuntu-i386
[05:16] <Kamion> hm, surprising
[05:16] <haggai> Kamion: but it might be a hardware problem since I've not booted from a self-written dvd before
[05:16] <Kamion> yeah, I'm not going to be able to check myself :(
[05:17] <haggai> the drive whirs for quite a while and after a long time my normal grub boot kicks in
[05:19] <je4d> Beineri: hey, there will always be trolls.. I'm actually quite pleased to to see most comments putting ubuntu and kubuntu as equal citizens, rather than "main-distro" and "spinoff"
[05:21] <haggai> gah
[05:21] <haggai> tried on another machine and it does boot
[05:21] <Kamion> ok, change of plan my end, DVD torrents will go out tomorrow
[05:21] <Kamion> so test all you like :)
[05:21] <haggai> cool thanks
[05:22] <haggai> I'll have to repartition the machine where the dvd works to get space for a test install
[05:22] <haggai> Kamion: what time will they go out?  I'm out this eve
[05:28] <Beineri> Kubuntu:Ubuntu downloads seem to be 1:2
[05:28] <Beineri> Kubuntu:Ubuntu downloads seem to be 1:2.78
[05:30] <apokryphos> torrent-wise it's nearly 1:3 peer-wise (at the moment)
[05:31] <Beineri> ok, how do you calculate? downloading? downloading+downloaded? :-)
[05:31] <apokryphos> Downloading
[05:31] <apokryphos> lot more ubuntu seeds though
[05:31] <Beineri> downloading amd64 is 1:1.8 :-)
[05:32] <apokryphos> heh
[05:33] <Beineri> seeding is 1:4.98
[05:35] <Beineri> downloading+downloaded 1:3.6
[05:36] <Beineri> including every mirror? :-)
[05:36] <haggai> DVD image is ok for live
[05:36] <apokryphos> yeah :P
[11:23] <Riddell> Kamion: someone says kubuntu-5.04-install-amd64.jigdo doesn't work because it has this line in it Template=hoary-install-amd64.template