[12:03] <lamont_r> livecd has stale Packages files :-(
[12:03] <SuperQ> so is next release going to use gcc 4.0 for compile?
[12:03] <SuperQ> (now that Hoary is out the door)
[12:04] <Kamion> lamont_r: hm?
[12:04] <Kamion> what's out of date?
[12:04] <zenwhen> Kamion, so are things going well or are you all still in a mad rush?
[12:04] <Kamion> mdz: cool, looks like I indeed managed to accidentally speed up jigdo by a factor of two or so
[12:04] <Kamion> zenwhen: going well I think, will nap soon
[12:05] <zenwhen> cool. Enjoy. :)
[12:05] <lamont_r> Kamion: one of the last steps in the livecd rootfs build is to apt-get update from archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[12:05] <lamont_r> and then we rolled archive-copier
[12:05] <Kamion> but archive-copier is only a udeb
[12:06] <lamont_r> hrm.
[12:06] <lamont_r> nm then
[12:06] <lamont_r> it's not like it's really bad either way, mind you.
[12:06] <Kamion> phew
[12:06] <lamont_r> what was in the install-CD only regen before archive-copier though?
[12:07] <lamont_r> (the only effect is that (1) anything reved in main/restricted won't apt-get install without an update, and update won't be all 'Hit' and no 'Get')
[12:08] <witless> hi guys.  just wondering how you got firefox to use native gnome dialogs in firefox, when this doesn't appear to be available in debian-unstable...?
[12:09] <Kamion> lamont_r: partman-auto, apt, ubuntu-docs
[12:09] <Kamion> lamont_r: but I thought we revved the live CD for that too
[12:09] <mdz> we revved the live CD for apt and ubuntu-docs, yes
[12:09] <lamont_r> woot
[12:10] <mdz> second guessing from this point forward is strictly prohibited; my blood pressure is high enough :-P
[12:10] <Kamion> manifest diff confirms
[12:11] <maswan> the 130.239.18.165 ip works well now?
[12:12] <lamont_r> hoary/main fetched
[12:12] <lamont_r> the rest hit
[12:12] <lamont_r> we reved livecd, but not livecdrootfs
[12:12] <lamont_r> in one of those iterations
[12:12] <elmo> maswan: looks good to me
[12:12] <maswan> I'm distributing the changes to the other hosts, but it seems to be unfast
[12:13] <lamont_r> mdz: what's the name of the non-snapshot device (cloop)
[12:13] <Kamion> maswan: yep, looks fine here too
[12:13] <maswan> probably because the dist-script also makes sure that all the locally compiled software is up to date etc. :)
[12:17] <Kamion> mdz: I'm post-facto generating jigdos for the DVD images, since I figured out how to do that
[12:17] <Kamion> although this approach only works when the archive's frozen
[12:18] <mdz> Kamion: I awty'd all the stuff we changed at the time, to confirm it made it onto the CDs consistently
[12:18] <Kamion> and off for a nap while that runs, I think
[12:18] <mdz> lamont_r: /dev/cloop0
[12:20] <maswan> there, should be all done now
[12:20] <Kamion> great, thanks
[12:20] <Keybuk> meh, iaudio crashed :(
[12:21] <Keybuk> in fact, that's odd; it hard-crashes whenever I plug it in
[12:21] <Keybuk> weird; is ok now
[12:23] <Keybuk> did we drop the patch that let the device be named "IAudio" ?  It's coming up as "39G media"
[12:23] <tseng> Keybuk: yes, that was hal in gnome-vfs
[12:23] <tseng> which is now gone (again)
[12:23] <Keybuk> caused too many problems?
[12:24] <tseng> yeah
[12:25] <lamont_r> 17 packages changed from Priority: optional to Priority Standard between the livecdroot generation and now
[12:25] <lamont_r> that's the diff
[12:26] <lamont_r> could be mirror out of date or something
[12:26] <Kamion> elmo did that recently I think
[12:26] <lamont_r> well, was bugging me
[12:26] <lamont_r> now I know.  Therefore I can sleep tonight. :-)
[12:27] <zenwhen> so sound really is broken with the audigy 2?
[12:29] <mdz> elmo: still here?
[12:31] <elmo> mdz: yah
[12:31] <mdz> elmo: a mirror admin emailed me about mirroring the release; copied you on my reply
[12:33] <mdz> elmo: do you have any handy scripts to check cdimage mirrors and see if they are up to date, so that we know which ones we can list on the download page?
[12:34] <elmo> eh, kind of, but not really
[12:35] <ogra> erm, whats the default locale on the buildds ? C ?
[12:36] <mdz> elmo: if a releases mirror were to update right now, would they get the gold images?  or not until we do the final publishing?
[12:37] <elmo> mdz: they'd get it in .pool
[12:37] <elmo> but they won't get the symlink unless they sync again
[12:37] <mdz> ok, cool
[12:37] <mdz> at what level of the tree is .pool?
[12:37] <elmo> top
[12:38] <elmo> releases/.pool, releases/hoary etc.
[12:38] <elmo> I'll hack/n/slash the mirror checker I have, it's mostly for the archive and is super 6-am, but it's better than a kick in the head
[12:38] <mdz> interesting; I checked ftp.ubuntu-es.org and they have ubuntu-5.04-install-*, but not ubuntu-5.04-live-*
[12:39] <mdz> they're both in .pool on releases.u.c
[12:39] <elmo> live is later
[12:39] <elmo> well, according to the current timestamps
[12:39] <Keybuk> ross' x-chat plugin is da bomb! :p
[12:40] <mdz> according to what I see on releases, live is stamped 2005-04-06 and install is stamped 2005-04-07
[12:40] <elmo> mdz: oh, btw, I was lieing about checking times, we have a .trace file
[12:40] <elmo> check .trace/
[12:40] <dredg> Keybuk: yeah, it wins
[12:41] <mdz> that's handy
[12:41] <xuzo> mdz: thanks for your quickly response ;)
[12:42] <lamont_r> ogra: these days, butilds are all done with LANG=C
[12:42] <ogra> lamont_r, thanks
[12:43] <lamont_r> %ENV_OVERRIDES = {
[12:43] <lamont_r>         'LC_ALL' => 'C',
[12:43] <lamont_r> };
[12:43] <lamont_r> actualy.
[12:43] <elmo> HEY
[12:43] <elmo> did we fix gaim??
[12:43] <lamont_r> elmo: fix how?
[12:44] <ogra> lamont_r, so lets see what will happen to my ding upload :)
[12:44] <elmo> the focus madness
[12:44] <mdz> xuzo: we don't have much time before the official release ;-)
[12:44] <mdz> elmo: no
[12:44] <ogra> elmo, ot here
[12:44] <elmo> RIGHT. that's it.  no release.
[12:44] <ogra> not even
[12:44] <mpt> haha
[12:44] <lamont_r> elmo: gconf-editor, metacity focus mode == strict
[12:45] <lamont_r> elmo: and no, I don't know how well documented that is.
[12:45] <lamont_r> but I know it's not well integrated with the panel
[12:45] <lamont_r> gonna have to send seb128 another patch for breezy :-)
[12:46] <seb128> it's not documented out of the package changelog
[12:46] <elmo> I actually stopped using gaim because of that
[12:46] <Mithrandir> you could use another wm too. :P
[12:46] <seb128> what is wrong with the focus made and the panel ?
[12:46] <seb128> gaim sucks anyway :p
[12:47] <Mithrandir> seb128: what's the alternative?
[12:48] <seb128> I've not said there is one
[12:48] <ogra> fixing gaim will take 100 years...
[12:48] <seb128> gossip if you use jabber only :)
[12:49] <calc> isn't gossip supposed to use libgaim eventually?
[12:49] <seb128> that's an option
[12:49] <seb128> but I don't think they are going to do that
[12:50] <seb128> rather using the transports
[12:51] <Mithrandir> the transports sucks since the jabber servers suck
[12:53] <dholbach> elmo: could you please sync kazehakase from sid?
[12:54] <elmo> dholbach: done
[12:54] <dholbach> elmo: thanks
[12:54] <lamont_r> dholbach: right up to the wire, eh?
[12:55] <dholbach> lamont_r: :-)
[12:56] <dholbach> www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePriorityList is nearly empty - charming :-)
[12:57] <lamont_r> dholbach: coolness
[12:58] <ogra> lamont_r, total crazyness ...
[12:58] <lamont_r> ogra: bummer
[01:00] <elmo> mdz: results are encouraging
[01:00] <elmo> in terms of the isos being there
[01:00] <mdz> elmo: trouble is, there's going to be a tiny window to get the symlinks
[01:01] <lamont_r> ppc dvd hits 67%.  sigh
[01:01] <mdz> or hardlinks or whatever
[01:02] <elmo> syms
[01:04] <lamont_r> elmo: can we populate hoary-test with all the installed-on-any-arch universe sources?
[01:04] <elmo> hmm, woops, missed the last tube
[01:05] <elmo> lamont: dude, hoary-test?  surely it's time has passed?
[01:05] <lamont_r> is good leadin to breezy, and the buildd's are bored
[01:05] <thom> elmo: have fun with the night busses and all the CRAZY PEOPLE
[01:05] <lamont_r> I thought there was a cot in the DC... :)
[01:05] <elmo> thom: I might just stay here.. escudero makes a nice desktop for my laptop.. I have supplies
[01:05] <Keybuk> thom: did you ever get the night bus back from TH when you worked at Positive?
[01:05] <elmo> no need for the crazies
[01:05] <Keybuk> that _was_ freaky!
[01:06] <thom> Keybuk: i walked from HEX to paddington a few times
[01:06] <thom> Keybuk: and did the night bus thing rather less; very freaky
[01:06] <lamont_r> elmo: more to the point, if you put in another round of sources, then I don't have to answer questions about the busticated ones from cluster-day
[01:07] <elmo> lamont: rpoblem is, I'm _really_ not bored
[01:07] <elmo> lamont: I'll be happy to do -test stuff after we release, I've got at least two super-outstanding things before then
[01:07] <lamont_r> elmo: certainly not a priority task
[01:07] <Keybuk> I had to get the bus to and from Anchorage House once, that wasn't pleasant :(
[01:08] <lamont_r> elmo: certainly - sounds like the best thing I can do to help you is leave you the hell alone or a few hours... holler if there's something more productive I can do to help
[01:08] <zul> hey
[01:08] <Keybuk> nothing worse than getting mobbed by drunken club-goers while you've a sparc under one arm
[01:09] <thom> indeed
[01:11] <robertj> Keybug: what about SGI machines? They can be pretty heavy
[01:11] <thom> any machine is heavy
[01:11] <robertj> thom: the minis are pretty light
[01:13] <thom> ok, any *real* machine :-)
[01:13] <zul> a cray is pretty heavy as well
[01:14] <elmo> zul: so's a tank
[01:14] <zul> elmo: yes it is
[01:14] <thom> each is about equally useful in an average datacentre ;-)
[01:15] <zul> well a tank might get you into an above average datacentre
[01:17] <dholbach> elmo: could you please remove xfld-welcome? (xfce team's decision)
[01:18] <dholbach> hey seb128_ :-)
[01:18] <dholbach> pyjama party? :-)
[01:19] <seb128_> 'night :p
[01:19] <doko> dholbach: show your pyjama first ;-)
[01:19] <thom> so, will the amd64 install overtake the ppc one, even though the ppc install was on stage2 by the time amd64 started
[01:19] <dholbach> doko: hahahaha :-)
[01:22] <robertj> thom: btw, what are the build machines/
[01:23] <thom> which ones?
[01:23] <robertj> thom: are there several per arch?
[01:24] <elmo> they're crays mark stole from the ISS
[01:24] <thom> robertj: they're a bunch of pdp-11s in orbit
[01:24] <thom> and the amd64 overtakes
[01:27] <lamont_r> robertj: about 3GHz, 2-4GB RAM, etc, etc.
[01:27] <lamont_r> pretty high end on all 3 architectures.
[01:27] <lamont_r> and (generally) 3 for each arch
[01:28] <mdz> lamont_r, dholbach: are there any long-duration builds we need to worry about in universe?  be sure not to upload anything which will take longer to build than the time we have left before release
[01:29] <dholbach> mdz: hrm, this will mean no apt-get.org
[01:29] <dholbach> right?
[01:29] <toresbe> thom: they done stole my PDPs!
[01:29] <robertj> mdz: so are you excited about breezy or excited about doing nothing for a few days ;)
[01:29] <mdz> robertj: I am excited about a weekend off
[01:29] <mdz> dholbach: hmm?
[01:30] <lamont_r> mdz: if elmo slams the door, it won't matter if they're running
[01:30] <mdz> lamont_r: it will have been wasted time preparing the package
[01:30] <lamont_r> we were periodically uploading bits to warty as late as 2 months ago
[01:30] <lamont_r> true
[01:30] <dholbach> mdz: elmo should be still importing it, or starting importing it
[01:30] <zenwhen> what opts are most ubuntu packages compiled for?
[01:30] <zenwhen> with*
[01:30] <mdz> elmo: ?
[01:30] <lamont_r> re warty: due to a particularly useless feature of wanna-build
[01:30] <lamont_r> zenwhen: generally, -march=486 -mcpu=pentium4
[01:31] <elmo> mdz: you didn't threaten physical violence when I asked you about it earlier, so I've been working on it?
[01:31] <elmo> tho I just fobbed it off on thom to finish reese
[01:31] <mdz> elmo: is that stuff suppressed from hoary-changes or something?  I hadn't noticed
[01:31] <thom> amd64 completed install sucessfully; ppc is doing locales
[01:32] <lamont_r> thom: you clearly need a G7
[01:32] <elmo> mdz: I was writing a script to automate it, there's 39 different locations to fetch stuff from
[01:32] <elmo> mdz: my sync automation doesn't extend to multi-location stuff like that
[01:32] <lamont_r> muppomatic
[01:32] <elmo> (since we only ever synced from basically 3-4 places)
[01:32] <mdz> I guess I don't understand why dholbach said it wasn't going to happen
[01:33] <mdz> I mean, certainly we won't finish, but there is a queue of stuff which is ready to be imported, yes?
[01:33] <Keybuk> hmmm... will be interesting how/if mom will interact with apt-get.org
[01:33] <robertj> so is every package in sid automatically brought into universe for breezy?
[01:33] <mdz> robertj: roughly
[01:33] <elmo> mdz: yes
[01:33] <elmo> dholbach worked through the list and came up with a list of what was live and sane enough to import
[01:33] <robertj> ie if there are python bindings for foo, will they automagically appear?
[01:34] <dholbach> mdz: just because you throttled lamont and me about uploading stuff, that's why i thought... :-)
[01:34] <lamont_r> robertj: if the package is in debian, and we haven't changed it, then it just shows up.
[01:34] <lamont_r> if we changed it in hoary, then we have work
[01:34] <mdz> dholbach: unless the list is enormous, I think there will be time to at least attempt to build everything
[01:34] <robertj> lamont: ahh
[01:34] <dholbach> mdz: wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetOrg
[01:35] <mdz> less than 100 packages
[01:35] <mdz> by eyeball
[01:36] <lamont_r> given that most packages are < 5 min to build, should have a at least one run through the chomper
[01:39] <elmo> is there some way to tee stderr and stdout to different files from the command line?
[01:40] <haggai> (((./cmd | tee stdout) 3>&1 1>&2 2>&3|tee stderr) 3>&1 1>&2 2>&3) 1>out 2>err
[01:41] <haggai> ie copy file descriptors around and use brackets to keep them all in order
[01:42] <lamont_r> Kamion: wanna rm -rf ,,* from your seeds dir on people?
[01:42] <ska-fan> What's FTBFS?
[01:42] <haggai> fails to build from source
[01:42] <dholbach> ska-fan: $ wtf ftbfs    :-)
[01:43] <ska-fan> heh, no wtf in ubuntu
[01:43] <elmo> mdz: people.ubuntu.com/~james/reese.output
[01:43] <dholbach> ska-fan: sudo apt-get install bsdgames
[01:44] <lamont_r> so can we have active directory support for breezy, milli asks?
[01:44] <milli> lamont_r: That's not what I asked...
[01:45] <ska-fan> Oh, it's a game .. I get to play atc again then .. great :)
[01:48] <dredg> huh? `wtf' doesn't know what 'lrf' are?!?! stall the release!
[01:49] <dholbach> dredg: patch it
[01:49] <dholbach> dredg: koke already taught it, what ftbfs and sabdfl mean :-)
[01:50] <dredg> :)
[01:51] <ska-fan> grr, collision after only one safe plane
[01:58] <infinity> Kamion : I patched the Windows Injection vuln last night, but I'm not going to upload until I've at least reviewed all the other pending security patches, to make sure there won't be any crazy patch interaction issues.
[01:59] <infinity> Kamion : I also need to test it, of course (beyond a test build, which went okay).
[01:59] <infinity> s/Windows/Window/
[02:04] <dredg> right, new bsdgames gone up
[02:04] <dredg> can't believe it didn't have lrf :)
[02:05] <dredg> and now my gf is insisting that i go to bed
[02:06] <dredg> nightol
[02:06] <dholbach> good night dredg 
[02:25] <mako> mdz: hey there good lookin'
[02:26] <mdz> mako: *yawn* what's up?
[02:26] <mako> so the plan is we stay up and then dance around releasing when europe wakes up, yes?
[02:27] <daniels> i think release is 0800
[02:27] <mdz> mako: that's what I'll be doing
[02:27] <mako> cool.. sounds like a plan
[02:27] <mako> i'm just killing time till this party anyway ;)
[02:27] <dholbach> how about fixing some universe packages until then?
[02:28] <dholbach> ^^^ *bling* *bling*
[02:28] <dholbach> :-)
[02:28] <infinity> daniels : 0800 UTC?
[02:29] <dholbach> infinity: yes
[02:29] <mako> dholbach: i have a couple other things on my list but if you have some low hanging fruit for me :)
[02:29] <mako> dholbach: how about this.. i fix universe packages and you answer my email
[02:29] <elmo> mako: what are you doing on IRC?  I think you don't have enough mail.  I'll send you some more
[02:29] <infinity> Bah, then I'll miss it.  Guess I'll just have to go out and celebrate with my girlfriend instead. :)
[02:29] <dholbach> mako: already nicked them all, how you think i got 300 uploads that fast ;-)
[02:29] <mako> elmo: *bastard*
[02:30] <mako> cool.. i got an ubuntu talk accepted for linuxtag
[02:30] <dholbach> elmo, mako: the thing i enjoy most about ubuntu is the atmosphere, you'll surely understand :-)
[02:31] <mako> if i can't give it.. i can try to delegate to someone else
[02:31] <zul> quick mailbox mako 
[02:31] <zul> doh..
[02:33] <mako> this is my number one skill.. i'm going to make a video of me processing mail at top speed.. it's gonna be a frickin' hit. i'll be on the tonight show as "that fast email guy"
[02:34] <elmo> is there anything pre-done in python to parse ls -l -ish output?
[02:34] <mako> mdz: i was so scared of your kibo stuff i basically wrote my own.. and it didn't work
[02:35] <mdz> mako: only one person has mailed me about an LA release party so far; it may not happen
[02:35] <mako> :(
[02:35] <zul> not much of a party
[02:35] <mako> we'll have two here in new york
[02:35] <mako> SIMULTAENOUSLY
[02:35] <mako> man, it's gonna rock
[02:35] <Artemis3> wow the new page is up
[02:35] <Artemis3> oops sorry wrong channel
[02:36] <daniels> mako: two people, or parties?
[02:36] <mako> daniels: two parties baby
[02:36] <mako> daniels: hopefully, more than two people
[02:37] <sladen> who's good at fixing plone things.  Various things (searching and documentation pages) seem to be broken
[02:37] <mako> the NYLUG dudes advertised it on their announce list.. it might be big
[02:37] <sladen> eg.  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/miniRAM  404's
[02:37] <mdz> sladen: hno73 is the person to talk to
[02:38] <sladen> mdz: is there any awake?
[02:38] <mako> y'know how the CC gives people crap for having shitty wiki pages?
[02:38] <sladen> mdz: is there anyone awake?
[02:38] <mako> mark's wiki page is crap
[02:38] <mdz> sladen: no, not really
[02:39] <mako> at some point, i'm going to go around to all of people that were grandfathered in and make them make decent wiki pages and sign the CoC and all that jazz
[02:39] <mako> sabdfl: the calm before the storm
[02:39] <mako> sorry
[02:39] <mako> sladen: ^^
[02:40] <elmo> $ cat COPYING
[02:40] <elmo> TODO
[02:40] <elmo> giggle
[02:41] <dholbach> hahaha - yes... that was one of the funny ones
[02:41] <dholbach> even better were those having indiana jones for scummvm
[02:41] <dholbach> stating in debian/copyright:   copyright: yes   -    downloaded: from the net
[02:41] <elmo> ROTFL
[02:42] <dholbach> but don't worry, they're not on the list
[02:42] <dholbach> they even had zakmccracken
[02:42] <dholbach> will have to re-visit that one
[02:42] <dholbach> :-p
[02:43] <nullaresnata> hello, how do I change my console keyboard layout?
[02:44] <mdz> elmo: hmm, the .torrents have the filename embedded in them
[02:44] <mdz> how did we handle that the last time around?
[02:45] <mdz> I guess we'll need to regenerate them when we publish
[02:45] <elmo> mdz: how's that a problem?
[02:45] <mdz> elmo: because the name is hoary-foo-bar.iso, rather than ubuntu-5.04-foo-bar.iso
[02:46] <elmo> and the .torrent's have the old name?
[02:46] <mdz> currently the torrents are named hoary-blah
[02:47] <mdz> so are the ISOs
[02:47] <mdz> but when we publish, we're renaming the isos
[02:47] <mdz> and presumably the torrents to match
[02:49] <elmo> oh, we don't have torrents yet
[02:49] <mdz> sure we do
[02:50] <mdz> on cdimage
[02:50] <elmo> not in simple/ ?
[02:50] <mdz> right
[02:50] <mdz> we can't use the ones we have; we have to generate new ones apparently
[02:50] <thom> yep
[02:59] <dholbach> any python pro, who can tell me what went  wrong in http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gaphor/0.5.1-2ubuntu1/gaphor_0.5.1-2ubuntu1_20050408-0139-i386-failed ?    (went nice in my pbuilder)
[03:00] <mdz> eek
[03:02] <dholbach> and it even runs fine here... hrmbl
[03:06] <sladen> dholbach: is there an illegal UTF-8 sequence in "pofile" /
[03:07] <dholbach> sladen: i didnt change it from the release before (which was some ages ago)
[03:07] <dholbach> will look
[03:08] <sladen> where's the source package?
[03:09] <dholbach> sladen: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gaphor/
[03:09] <sladen> is that the one that failed, or the previous one?
[03:10] <dholbach> both
[03:14] <ogra> hula_0.1.0+svn162-2ubuntu1_20050408-0207-ia64-failed
[03:14] <ogra> :(
[03:16] <dholbach> hrm
[03:16] <ogra> heh
[03:17] <dholbach> ogra: how where the odds?
[03:17] <ogra> the other three were fine...
[03:17] <ogra> 1000:1 ?
[03:17] <ogra> 10000000:1 ?
[03:17] <dholbach> *shrug* your bet was right :-)
[03:17] <sladen> ../../../include/xplthread.h:98:3: #error "Safe variable operations not implemented on this platform"
[03:17] <sladen> ...that ones a little simpler to fix/identify
[03:17] <ogra> yop
[03:18] <sladen> http://www.hula-project.org/Troubleshooting_FAQ#I_get_something_about_Safe_variable_operations_not_implemented_on_this_platform
[03:19] <ogra> WOW, excellent solution :-P
[03:20] <sladen> http://michele.pupazzo.org/files/patches/hula-ppc-atomic.patch
[03:20] <sladen> oh jeez.  Why are they writing their own locking perimitives
[03:20] <dholbach> hrm? it was ia64
[03:20] <ogra> ppc works fine...
[03:21] <sladen> yes.  I couldn't find the header---that is just illustrative of what needs to doing to fix thigns
[03:21] <jdub> yo haggai
[03:21] <Artemis3> is this image final? 28319b072a39f39b89a9f0e938ca7013  hoary-install-i386.iso
[03:21] <jdub> ogra: rocking to see hula in universe :)
[03:22] <ogra> sladen, i dont think i wanna touch this again....herzi cares for it and will eventually be a MOTU to care for it...
[03:22] <ogra> jdub, yop :)
[03:23] <ogra> sladen, i'm fine as it is now....the rest is something to fix for breezy....
[03:24] <ogra> Artemis3, final images are named ubuntu-5.04-.....
[03:24] <Artemis3> ok i want to help torrenting
[03:26] <ogra> Artemis3, as far as i understood they are generated currently....
[03:26] <Flonne> I can put up a ~100kB/s seed if that would help...
[03:28] <Artemis3> array cd 7?
[03:28] <zenwhen> thats not final
[03:28] <Artemis3> ok
[03:28] <zenwhen> final images arent out yet, at least I dont think
[03:28] <zenwhen> are they?
[03:29] <sladen> zenwhen: they're being renamed I think
[03:31] <zenwhen> I am going to download a final image saturday when I have access to broadband and sit pretty in hoary final for a while
[03:32] <zenwhen> well actually if some of that cool cairo stuff winds up in the next dev release I will be forced to upgrade
[03:46] <blueyed> Please consider renaming the .css files, because it still shows pages in mixed style here and I think this will affect a lot of people that have been to ubuntulinux.* before..!
[03:58] <mx|gone> I'm sure this has been asked a bazillion times, but why did you guys change the ubuntu login screen to the picture of all those people?
[03:59] <jdub> mx|gone: the default login screen is an evolution of the warty login
[03:59] <jdub> mx|gone: we've just updated the HumanCircle theme to our new circle image
[03:59] <mx|gone> jdub: that's what I meant... the HumanCircle one
[04:00] <jdub> mx|gone: because we have a new circle of people for this release
[04:00] <Lathiat> jdub: has humancircle been made the default this time?
[04:00] <jdub> Lathiat: no
[04:01] <mx|gone> jdub: hmm... I guess the picture just looks very PSA-ish
[04:01] <infinity> elmo : When will hoary-security be open for business (or is it already)?
[04:02] <elmo> infinity: technically is
[04:02] <jdub> elmo: -updates?
[04:02] <infinity> elmo : While reviewing warty's outstanding mozilla issues, I'm finding a few things to update in hoary, too.  Though, I won't have uploads tested before release.
[04:02] <elmo> that too
[04:02] <elmo> jdub: ^--
[04:02] <jdub> cool, thanks
[04:02] <daniels> elmo: breezy?
[04:02] <ogra> lol
[04:02] <elmo> daniels: 9:01am
[04:03] <elmo> (8:01UTC)
[04:03] <daniels> elmo: i'll upload x-common (which forces /usr/X11R6 -> /usr) at 9:02
[04:03] <ogra> hehe
[04:03] <infinity> daniels : I hate you.
[04:03] <daniels> infinity: but really, you love me
[04:04] <thom> daniels: dbus 0.3 please at 09:03 ;-)
[04:04] <daniels> thom: oh man, dbus 0.3 scares the shit out of me
[04:04] <daniels> seriously
[04:04] <daniels> 'SURPRISE!  A NEW API!'
[04:04] <infinity> Nothing you can't fix in 6 months, right? :)
[04:04] <thom> there's some fantastic crack in there though
[04:05] <daniels> infinity: X stuff is what worries me most
[04:05] <daniels> infinity: given the objective is X11R7, in /usr/{lib,include,bin,...}, in breezy
[04:05] <daniels> (X11R7 being totally modular and all)
[04:05] <ogra> yeah, and rebuilding the X world on top....
[04:06] <infinity> thom : How do you feel about security updates causing useability regressions, if those regressions also exist in hoary? :)
[04:06] <daniels> well, not really
[04:06] <mx|gone> jdub: the gdmconfig SS needs to be updated for HumanCircle
[04:06] <infinity> thom : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=283992
[04:06] <daniels> i'd do one big local rebuild to ensure nothing brok^W^W^Wsee how much I broke
[04:06] <infinity> thom : One update I'm doing will cause that bug... But that bug also exists in 1.0.2
[04:06] <ogra> mx|gone, already filed
[04:06] <daniels> but the rest would get to keep working
[04:06] <mx|gone> ogra: cool
[04:07] <thom> that's an astonishingly awesome regression
[04:07] <thom> but yeah, i don't see we have much choice
[04:07] <infinity> thom : Quite, yes.  I can fix the regression, of course.
[04:07] <infinity> thom : And even fix it in hoary-updates, too.
[04:08] <infinity> thom : But that wouldn't, strictly-speaking, be a security update. :)
[04:08] <Kamion> lamont: ,, dirs> ah, that's a baz bug; removed for now, though not automated
[04:08] <thom> i think we suck the regression up, tbh
[04:08] <lamont> Kamion: right
[04:08] <thom> and not worry about it
[04:09] <Kamion> mdz: the .torrents get regenerated automatically by publish-release; no need to worry about them
[04:09] <infinity> thom : Alright.  Consider it sucked.
[04:09] <daniels> thom: my most annoying firefox bug right now is that, in the last couple of days, sometimes when I type in a text box, it treats *any* apostrophe as typeahead
[04:10] <daniels> so I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts, in a comments field, searches for ve got a lovely bunch of coconuts
[04:10] <daniels> only happens randomly
[04:10] <jdub> mx|gone: yes, known issue
[04:10] <thom> daniels: kick ass
[04:11] <daniels> thom: can you fix it? :)
[04:11] <thom> daniels: hopefully we can get 1.1 in breezy for whole new levels of madness
[04:11] <thom> daniels: just call me bob the builder
[04:11] <mdz> Kamion: ok
[04:11] <mdz> Kamion: good morning
[04:11] <mpt> My most annoying Firefox bug right now is that the preferences window won't open, and neither will View Source
[04:11] <mpt> I'm hoping that it's just because synaptic hasn't finished yet...
[04:12] <thom> mpt: xul errors? quit and reload. if that don't fix it, it's the super keen `find .mozilla -name XUL.mfasl -print0 |xargs rm -f`
[04:13] <daniels> thom: this browser is so awesome
[04:13] <mpt> ah, the infamous XUL preloading
[04:14] <mpt> thanks thom, I was beginning to think I had found a release blocker or something
[04:14] <thom> mpt: fraid not dude; this is day to day in the trenches with ffox :/
[04:15] <jamesh> I think it is just a case of the .jar files containing all the UI stuff disapearing
[04:15] <jamesh> (or at least changing sufficiently for it to get confused)
[04:15] <thom> jamesh: nod
[04:15] <thom> it's still a *hideous* failure mode
[04:15] <mpt> yeah
[04:15] <jamesh> so if you unpacked everything, upgrades would be a bit smoother (although startup would be slower)
[04:16] <mpt> At the very least, if there's a chrome:// XUL error, it should say "waitaminute, this might be fast-load goopiness" and clear the fastload cache
[04:16] <jdub> thom: "failure mode" *cough* ;)
[04:17] <daniels> shit man, I'd trade slightly slower startup for regularly working firefox
[04:17] <thom> daniels: AOL
[04:17] <daniels> the biggest pain in the arse is when I have ~70 tabs open, firefox dies horribly so I go to bookmark all my tabs, except whoops, I can't get the bookmark dialog!
[04:18] <dholbach> morning doko
[04:18] <ogra> hey doko 
[04:19] <mpt> daniels: That's what Epiphany's Crash Recovery is for ;-)
[04:19] <thom> i've been in the bad habit of pkill'ing ephy for a long time
[04:19] <thom> whenever i want to log out or "save my bookmarks" ;-)
[04:20] <Lathiat> heh
[04:20] <Lathiat> and then it whinges when you open it back up
[04:20] <Lathiat> which could be good or bad :)
[04:20] <Lathiat> i always used to epiphany </usr/share/doc/file>
[04:20] <janc> daniels : there is a crash recovery extension for firefox  :)
[04:20] <Lathiat> and then ^C it
[04:20] <Lathiat> and it'd annoy me everytime i open it again
[04:20] <daniels> janc: does it load when you can't get the bookmark dialog?
[04:20] <mpt> Lathiat: Because ^W would be too hard?
[04:21] <janc> never tried that  :)
[04:21] <Lathiat> mpt: wah?
[04:21] <Kamion> mdz: morning. trying to decide whether to stay up at the moment ...
[04:22] <janc> https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&version=1.0&os=Windows&category=Tabbed%20Browsing&numpg=10&id=436
[04:22] <mdz> Kamion: did you wake up, or have you not been to sleep yet?
[04:22] <thom> Kamion: only 5 and a half hours to go!
[04:22] <infinity> janc : &os=Windows?
[04:22] <Kamion> mdz: got about 3 hours
[04:22] <Kamion> (sleep)
[04:22] <mdz> I tried to nap, but it didn't work
[04:23] <janc> https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&version=1.0&os=Linux&category=Tabbed%20Browsing&id=436
[04:24] <janc> seems like their OS detection is not really working  :-P
[04:24] <mdz> thom: you leave on release day, or the day after?
[04:24] <thom> mdz: 12 hours after release
[04:24] <mdz> heh
[04:25] <mdz> perhaps the airplane will be all abuzz with the news
[04:25] <daniels> thom: sleeping, or passed out?
[04:25] <thom> daniels: yes
[04:25] <thom> mdz: i shall burn cds and ask the trolley dollies to hand them out with tea
[04:26] <hypatia> With the hot towels.
[04:26] <hypatia> So everyone is alert.
[04:26] <Keybuk> here's some CDs... NO DON'T USE YOUR CD-DRIVE!
[04:26] <infinity> thom : Now that's a politically correct term, if I've ever seen one.
[04:26] <Keybuk> It "interferes with the navigational equipment"
[04:26] <thom> infinity: *g*
[04:27] <Flonne> Just like a Gameboy.
[04:27] <hypatia> infinity: "checkout chick" is in close contention.
[04:27] <infinity> My girlfriend's brother proudly refers to himself as a checkout chick.
[04:27] <daniels> hypatia: i don't think you get hot towels on BA
[04:28] <daniels> thom: you should take a side trip to Melbourne and check out our JSBH
[04:28] <hypatia> daniels: that's revolting.
[04:28] <thom> daniels: thanks, but i imagine craige and i may visit the one in sydney a little
[04:28] <hypatia> infinity: yeah, it works for men too. But trolley dollies does as well.
[04:28] <daniels> thom: yes, but you need some variety in your life, son
[04:29] <infinity> thom : Or visit Melbourne to hang with me, since I dunno if I'll be able to make UDU..
[04:29] <jsgotangco> greetings
[04:29] <thom> infinity: gar gar gar
[04:29] <thom> how the hell do i fit that in?
[04:29] <thom> hrm, could fly over thursday am
[04:30] <thom> daniels: where/when/how are you getting to yass?
[04:30] <daniels> thom: virgin flights are cheap, might be able to get qantas specials as well
[04:30] <thom> aye
[04:30] <daniels> thom: arriving Sunday per UDU, then I figure inertia will somehow get all the Ubuntu people arriving in CBR to Yass somehow
[04:30] <daniels> else there's going to be 30 annoyed people standing around in Canberra trying to get to the party
[04:31] <thom> hrm, right
[04:31] <thom> see, i have a lift from sydney on saturday; guess i can just fly back saturday am
[04:31] <daniels> probably some sort of wheeled vehicle
[04:31] <robitaille> anyone knows why I cannot join #ubuntu tonight ("you have been banned").    Haven't there in 24 hours, so I'm not clear why...
[04:31] <daniels> ah, you're going with hypatia and spiv?
[04:32] <hypatia> not that I heard :)
[04:32] <hypatia> but he can race us.
[04:32] <hypatia> easy to beat spiv.
[04:32] <daniels> heh
[04:33] <daniels> robitaille: over-enthusiastic ban on someone flooding earlier -- try now
[04:33] <robitaille> daniels,  thanks
[04:33] <thom> daniels: craige
[04:35] <daniels> thom: ahr
[04:41] <infinity> Ugh... 11 CVE CANs patched, and I'm not even halfway through the list.  THis is pretty sad. :/
[04:46] <daniels> thom: any 'nvidia-glx makes my shit hang' bugs should be duped as 7183
[04:46] <daniels> thom: oh, and btw, don't forget sideshow's jumper :)
[04:46] <thom> heh
[04:46] <thom> i thought i might just to prolong the experience
[04:46] <thom> i'm not entirely sure where it is currently
[04:47] <daniels> heh
[04:52] <ogra> MORNING fabbione 
[04:52] <dholbach> hey fabbione 
[04:52] <fabbione> hey guys
[04:53] <Keybuk> he's in for a shock when he looks in the mirror and sees what his hair looks like, finally
[04:53] <thom> Keybuk: MIAOW
[04:53] <sladen> the last piece of news on  http://www.canonical.com/  is the warty release, maybe it's time for some new news :)
[04:53] <Keybuk> hmm, we didn't change the theme of that? :(
[04:57] <dholbach> lamont: you're doing a one man show on #ubuntu, i'm impressed :-)
[04:57] <Keybuk> nobody can fill a room quite like lamont 
[04:57] <Kamion> hmm, meh, jigdoing the DVD is awkward due to the live filesystem
[04:57] <Kamion> 600MB+ .template, yay
[04:58] <lamont> Keybuk: feh
[04:58] <lamont> figured I had to do _SOMETHING_ while I was burning isos
[04:58] <Keybuk> I've given up, this CD writer hates me
[04:58] <dholbach> fix some last minute universe packages :-)
[04:58] <Keybuk> it always fails somewhere around the 370MB mark
[04:59] <Kamion> clean the lens?
[04:59] <Keybuk> how?
[04:59] <Kamion> you can get special CD drive cleaning bits, can't you?
[05:00] <Keybuk> ah, an excellent plan with one two minor drawbacks ... 1) I don't have any special CD drive cleaning bits and 2) nowhere that sells them would be open at 4am :)
[05:01] <Kamion> well, not NOW
[05:01] <Kamion> they're like five quid from Maplin apparently
[05:02] <Keybuk> by the time I get around to it, I'd be flying to UDU and giving the laptop back, so isn't really worth the effort now :(
[05:02] <lamont> dholbach: you have a favorite package for me to play with>?
[05:03] <dholbach> lamont: if i wanted to torture you, i'd say gcompris :-)
[05:03] <lamont> and I would have to hit you with it. :-)
[05:03] <Kamion> elmo,mdz: [post-hoary]  any thoughts about sticking the live cloops into the archive at some point, maybe just in the run-up to release? if we ever do things like netboot casper, it'd be useful
[05:03] <dholbach> nobody really knows how it could ever have built, even the new debian version is crack
[05:04] <lamont> dholbach: note that I'm bandwidth challenged, and don't have most of universe here at my finger tips
[05:04] <dholbach> lamont: then just relax :)
[05:04] <lamont> Kamion: heh
[05:04] <fabbione> Kamion: that sounds interesting, but it would add 1.8GB of data to the archive that aren't really rsync friendly.. i think elmo would hand somebody if we decided to do so
[05:04] <lamont> dholbach: actually, I was thinking I'd build my kamion-dvd knockoff
[05:05] <fabbione> s/hand/hang
[05:05] <Kamion> fabbione: yeah, there's that minor problem
[05:05] <Kamion> fabbione: although they're pretty rsyncable now
[05:05] <Kamion> lamont: hmm?
[05:05] <dholbach> lamont: i don't quite understand
[05:05] <lamont> Kamion: you're like missing all of universe on the dvd
[05:05] <lamont> :-)
[05:06] <lamont> and there's no kobodl in the livecd
[05:06] <Keybuk> ...so, I was thinking; given that "deb" is short for Debian ... and everyone mis-spells Ubuntu anyway ... maybe we should call them ".nut"?
[05:06] <lamont> Keybuk: lol
[05:06] <dholbach> :-))))
[05:06] <elmo> kamion: err, eww
[05:06] <zenrox> lol
[05:06] <ogra> Keybuk, yeah
[05:07] <lamont> Kamion: and you like left almost 2GB unused on that poor dvd.. such waste will not be tollerated..
[05:07] <zenrox> apt-get apche.nut
[05:07] <Keybuk> zenrox: no, it'd be nut-get ... or perhaps just "squirrel"
[05:07] <zenrox> lol
[05:07] <Pizbit> Keybuk: Which would then be shortened to sq or s.
[05:10] <Kamion> elmo: yeah, it's ugly; just trying to think of solutions to the 600MB jigdo .template problem that don't suck
[05:11] <lamont> elmo: just create a new component (part of main) called 'mirror-killer'
[05:11] <lamont> or is that oo.o?
[05:11] <Keybuk> that's "cotd" isn't it?
[05:11] <elmo> any component like that would be named 'pitti' if I had my way
[05:12] <Keybuk> yeouch!  saucer of milk, table two!
[05:13] <Kamion> hmm
[05:13] <Kamion> actually, I could distribute them on cdimage, and put an extra URL in the jigdo URLs section
[05:13] <Keybuk> surely it'd be seb, the human upload machine?
[05:14] <daniels> Keybuk: you just wait until breezy opens and the X uploads start flowing :)
[05:14] <Kamion> that would at least mean you could point jigdo-lite at an existing live CD image
[05:14] <calc> are the dvd torrents are going to be in the same location as the cd ones?
[05:14] <Keybuk> when are we opening breezy?  in UDU?
[05:14] <Kamion> calc: DVDs probably won't be released on releases.ubuntu.com
[05:14] <Kamion> uh, before UDU I hope
[05:14] <elmo> Keybuk: I planned to do it almost immediately?
[05:15] <Keybuk> ah ok
[05:15] <Keybuk> could someone prod me when that happens
[05:15] <Keybuk> hard, if I appear to be asleep
[05:15] <Keybuk> I'll need to change mom and nda too
[05:15] <calc> Kamion: where will they be?
[05:16] <Kamion> calc: probably cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/release/ or thereabouts
[05:16] <elmo> woo, some load for mcmurdo and mirnyy
[05:16] <calc> Kamion: ok
[05:16] <elmo> Kamion: what decision (if any) was made about kubuntu?
[05:17] <Kamion> elmo: I had difficulty extracting a final decision out of anyone
[05:17] <Kamion> elmo: I'm inclined to put them on releases
[05:17] <Riddell> what's the question?
[05:17] <Kamion> Riddell: where to publish the Kubuntu release CD images
[05:17] <elmo> kamion: if that's the decision, the sooner we do that the better
[05:17] <elmo> like -12 hours sooner
[05:17] <Kamion> meh, ok, will .poolise them
[05:18] <Riddell> Kamion: same server as ubuntu ones would be my preference, otherwise it feels like it's not a proper release
[05:19] <Kamion> $ for-project kubuntu publish-release daily 20050407.1 install poolonly
[05:19] <Kamion> working
[05:21] <Kamion> it'll be http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/
[05:21] <Kamion> er and a subdirectory of that
[05:21] <Kamion> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/ (http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/.pool/ for the pre-publishing stuff)
[05:23] <Riddell> Kamion: what's pre-publishing stuff?
[05:23] <thom> Riddell: means we can push stuff to mirrors before it's live
[05:23] <lamont> Keybuk: my wife informs me that no one can clear a room quite like me either
[05:23] <Riddell> clever
[05:25] <dholbach> lamont: you simply ROCK! :-)
[05:25] <Kamion> lamont: she's so sweet
[05:26] <lamont> yeah
[05:26] <lamont> Kamion: redheaded irish gal, ya know?
 Keybuk: my wife informs me that no one can clear a room quite like me either
[05:26] <lamont> in case you didn't see it
[05:27] <Keybuk> lamont: yeah, I did :)
[05:27] <Keybuk> I was trying to near-instantly jump machines
[05:28] <Keybuk> but ident foiled my attempts
[05:29] <lamont> lol
[05:30] <lamont> Kamion: wondering how lazy I can be...  is filesystem.cloop in some md5sum file somewhere?
[05:30] <lamont> and if I just dropped a extras/ directory on the CD that was it's own archive base, would anything bitch at me?
[05:31] <Kamion> elmo: ok, syncing out now
[05:31] <Kamion> lamont: it's probably in md5sum.txt on the CD, but only cdrom-checker cares
[05:31] <Kamion> lamont: no, shouldn't
[05:32] <elmo> kamion: thanks
[05:32] <lamont> cool
[05:38] <lamont> dholbach: sometimes I even know what I'm talking about...
[05:39] <infinity> Y'know, tracking mozilla security holes could be a fulltime job in itself.
[05:39] <dholbach> :-)
[05:41] <mpt> (isn't that Chris Aillon's full-time job?)
[05:41] <daniels> i thought he hacked on mozilla as well
[05:41] <calc> probably both
[05:42] <calc> he was doing non security stuff when i met him last oct
[05:43] <thom> infinity: yes.
[05:44] <thom> he's RHAT's packaging lead for moz.org stuffs afaict
[05:44] <infinity> Yeah.  He also does a lot of backporting of patches to 1.4 (poor guy)...
[05:45] <thom> almost as much fun as 0.9.3
[05:45] <infinity> 0.9.3 and 1.7.3 aren't really all THAT bad to backport to.
[05:45] <infinity> I'm not suffering too much, except for the sheer volume of patches that haven't been touched.
[05:49] <lamont>  /dev/hda8             96124904  86947148   4294804  96% /home
[05:49] <lamont> hrm... that's annoying
[05:51] <dholbach> lamont: had that yesterday with rsync action going on, capped the file to 53% :-/
[05:53] <lamont> dholbach: bummer
[05:53] <lamont> then there's the other machine: /dev/sda2             11535376    497016  10452392   5% /
[05:53] <lamont> that one has 2 73GB drives as well
[05:54] <dholbach> i should start some dvd-backup action soon
[05:55] <lamont> ditto
[05:56] <dholbach> i'm nearly falling asleep, not even drum&bass music helps *hrmbl*
[05:56] <daniels> dholbach: eep, that does suck
[05:56] <daniels> dholbach: although it depends what sort of dnb :)
[05:56] <daniels> if something like pendulum - another planet, doesn't keep you alive, then you have problems
[05:57] <ogra> dholbach, try freejazz....
[05:57] <dholbach> daniels: i always nick mixtapes of http://breaksblog.biz/wp-rss2.php - and every third is acceptable :-)
[05:58] <daniels> heh, cool
[05:58] <dholbach> ogra: thanks... had enough headaches last week :-)
[05:58] <ogra> heh
[06:03] <infinity> wget https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=174833
[06:03] <infinity> La la.
[06:03] <infinity> -EWIN
[06:04] <daniels> you'll probably want to put quotes around that, anyway
[06:05] <infinity> Nah, works fine.
[06:06] <infinity> The lack of & is helpful.
[06:06] <elmo> yeah, zsh is fairly spethial in the way it handles unmatched globs
[06:06] <Kamion> bash is the same
[06:07] <Kamion> at least if you mean the !nullglob behaviour of just leaving the glob as it was
[06:07] <diego> how goes hoary?
[06:08] <elmo> Kamion: zsh errors out
[06:08] <jsgotangco> makogirl?
[06:09] <Kamion> elmo: oh
[06:09] <makogirl> it's conversation in #debian-devel
[06:09] <dholbach> in #debian-women rather? :-)
[06:09] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[06:09] <makogirl> in fact not, stargirl had an experience in #gaim that inspired me to try something out for a few minutes
[06:16] <lamont> dholbach: ~lamont/chroots only accounts for 8.6GB of that.  sigh
[06:17] <dholbach> lamont: hm?
[06:17] <lamont> my full disk
[06:17] <lamont> du finally finished running... :)
[06:17] <dholbach> argl :-/
[06:18] <dholbach> pals... i'm off to bed - enjoy the party, i'm too tired to be drinking, cheering and dancing with you - have a nice day, see you later
[06:18] <Lathiat> dholbach: hehe night :)
[06:20] <lamont> g'night dholbach 
[06:20] <dholbach> bye lamont, Lathiat 
[06:20] <dholbach> *wave*
[06:20] <infinity> Woo, only one screenful of CANs left to process.
[06:22] <elmo> Kamion: I added maswan back to rotation, please shout if it looks broken to you still 
[06:22] <elmo> kamion: (and triggering syncproxy will trigger him)
[06:22] <elmo> well not maswan himself.  that would be harsh.  his machines
[06:23] <elmo> ARGH
[06:23] <elmo> it's still broken
[06:23] <Kamion> haha
[06:24] <Kamion> looks ok?
[06:24] <elmo> really?
[06:24] <elmo> maybe it's my browser
[06:24] <Kamion> oh, 130.239.18.142 is broken
[06:24] <Kamion> take that out of the rotation for now? the rest are ok
[06:25] <elmo> ok, done
[06:26] <Lathiat> Kamion: what server is on that ip?
[06:27] <Kamion> Lathiat: it's one of maswan's mirrors
[06:27] <Kamion> of releases.ubuntu.com and other stuff
[06:27] <Lathiat> ah funk, its on internet2 which means its free traffic from uni here, shame its broken :)
[06:27] <elmo> Lathiat: it's one of 3
[06:28] <Kamion> one of four
[06:28] <elmo> use on of the other IPs
[06:28] <Lathiat> ah ok
[06:28] <elmo> err, right
[06:28] <elmo> basic math sucks anyways
[06:28] <elmo> what did it ever do FOR ME??
[06:28] <mako> Lathiat: i'm going to hop on the torrents.. i have a fast commerciail connection and i2
[06:28] <lamont> elmo: got you out of 2nd grade?
[06:29] <Kamion> it's pretty hard to get held back a grade in the UK
[06:29] <elmo> "fortunes-spam"
[06:29] <elmo> oh dear
[06:30] <Kamion> ok, I think I've got the CD image pages to have about the same font as www.ubuntulinux.org now, at least
[06:31] <Kamion> the masthead appears non-trivial to do, I'll get somebody who actually knows about this stuff to look at it at some point
[06:38] <daniels> holy fucking shit
[06:38] <daniels> if you have two files, one of which is 644 and the other of which is 600, chmod 644 <tab> completes to the one that's 600
[06:39] <Keybuk> daniels discovers zsh ...
[06:39] <daniels> Keybuk: that particular facet of the completion is utterly insane
[06:39] <Keybuk> the CVS completion is cool too; cvs add <tab> only completes files you haven't added or ignored :)
[06:40] <Keybuk> man 1 <tab> only completes pages in section 1
[06:40] <Keybuk> dict <tab> is over the top though
[06:40] <Kamion> mdz: could you remove the stray ,,new-pristine.* directory owned by you in cdimage?
[06:40] <Kamion> the dict tab-expansion plugin for irssi is cool
[06:41] <Kamion> if insane
[06:41] <Keybuk> I'm surprised X-Chat hasn't got wiggly-words yet
[06:41] <Kamion> "hi, I'm too lazy to type English; I just hold down tab instead"
[06:47] <Kamion> hmm. bored
[06:48] <daniels> Kamion: if you were truly bored, you'd start on graphical d-i ;)
[06:49] <Kamion> that's next week
[06:49] <Lathiat> anyone on internet2 with the cdimages i can suck down?
[06:49] <Kamion> (vaguely serious there actually, I was planning to start on the cdebconf extension design)
[06:49] <daniels> coer
[06:49] <aj> why not do the graphical install from the livecd?
[06:49] <aj> (ie, from a real debian system, not udebs)
[06:49] <Kamion> I haven't decided whether that's crack yet
[06:50] <Kamion> and in any case we want a graphical live CD startup process anyway :)
[06:50] <Kamion> so need many of the same things
[06:50] <Kamion> work on a live CD installer will probably be happening in parallel
[06:51] <Keybuk> I can never decide whether cp -a off a LiveCD to install is any more or less of a hack than debootstrap
[06:51] <aj> the nicest thing about a graphical install would be being able to switch to an xterm or a web browser while the install's running...
[06:51] <Lathiat> aj: yeh that would rock
[06:52] <Lathiat> iirc the solaris 10 graphical install gives you a web browser
[06:52] <Pizbit> aj: And irc!:)
[06:52] <Lathiat> Pizbit: xterm :)
[06:52] <aj> hrm
[06:52] <jdub> Lathiat: and herpes.
[06:52] <Pizbit> Lathiat: Bah, mrxvt
[06:52] <Lathiat> jdub: heh
[06:52] <Kamion> although it involves sshing somewhere else
[06:52] <Keybuk> gods, I remember when somebody sold Debian to me on the basis that you could install an IRC client before the rest of the system
[06:52] <daniels> irssi-udeb
[06:52] <aj> put in the cd, click install, get the installer popping up in window, and get dropped in an irc help channel in another
[06:52] <Lathiat> jdub: dear god is JDS a steaming pile of crack
[06:52] <Pizbit> Keybuk: Buahaha:)
[06:53] <Keybuk> I seem to remember having to install apt first though, from sid
[06:53] <aj> keybuk: would've been slink/unstable at the time
[06:53] <Kamion> daniels: oh, you asked about the warty linux+ thing
[06:53] <Keybuk> may have been slink
[06:53] <|QuaD-> when is the final freeze going to happen? what time today?
[06:53] <Keybuk> I think hamm was the stable
[06:53] <Kamion> daniels: that was a special I did for some magazine in Poland; warty plus security updates
[06:54] <Keybuk> and didn't have apt, or a very broken one
[06:54] <aj> hamm didn't have apt, slink did
[06:54] <Keybuk> maybe it was bo?
[06:54] <Kamion> |QuaD-: we've already frozen all but universe, release probably ~8am UT
[06:54] <Kamion> er, UTC
[06:54] <Keybuk> hamm then
[06:54] <aj> bo didn't have libc6...
[06:54] <|QuaD-> ok :)
[06:54] <Pizbit> Keybuk: How many years ago was that?
[06:54] <Treenaks> aj: hamm had a version availabe to download, so you could upgrade to slink, afaik
[06:55] <Treenaks> aj: (maybe it was experimental? I didn't know much about the archive structure back then)
[06:55] <daniels> Kamion: ahr
[06:55] <Keybuk> Pizbit: uhh, figure about 6 or 7 years ago?
[06:55] <aj> Treenaks: there was probably a backport somewhere, but i think mostly we just used the good ol' dselect methods to upgrade to slink
[06:55] <aj> slink was released in '99 sometime i think
[06:56] <aj> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian   knows ;)
[06:57] <Kamion> hmm, we should get distrowatch to take ia64 out of http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu for hoary
[06:58] <Keybuk> yeah, seems about right
[06:58] <Keybuk> was probably bo/hamm then
[06:59] <Keybuk> I know it was RH4.2 I left for Debian, so that makes sense
[07:03] <Amaranth> hey, it's friday
[07:04] <Amaranth> ;)
[07:04] <Artemis3> 5am
[07:05] <elmo> Copyright: ?
[07:05] <ogra> elmo, still apt-get.org ?
[07:05] <daniels> elmo: oh dear
[07:05] <elmo> ogra: yes
[07:06] <ogra> poor soul
[07:33] <lamont> heh
[07:39] <pitti> Good morning, Hooray! Erm, Hoary!
[07:44] <mako> pitti: oi!
[07:44] <mako> two hours, no?
[07:44] <pitti> yeah, 0800 UTC
[07:44] <pitti> Morning mako :-)
[07:44] <HiddenWolf> :)
[07:44] <infinity> Mornin' pitti.
[07:45] <mako> i'm gonna wander off for a bit then.. i'll be back before we do teh release.. sms me if there's anything urgent
[07:45] <HiddenWolf> pitti, bad timing, they'll be burying a pope 15 minutes later
[07:45] <HiddenWolf> if you want to make cnn, get better timing next time. ;)
[07:46] <HiddenWolf> wow, new website
[07:57] <Artemis3> so white...
[07:57] <HiddenWolf> Wtf, just got a crash here
[07:58] <HiddenWolf> gnome-panel crashed, came back up, then offered me 10 'panel already running, will exit now' errors
[08:04] <schweeb> Artemis3: that's my complaint with it too
[08:06] <HiddenWolf> I think the new site is slick!
[08:10] <Artemis3> main site needs better access to l10n (ie: little flags or something non english ppl can quickly understand)
[08:16] <HiddenWolf> daniels, ping
[08:17] <daniels> pong
[08:20] <HiddenWolf> Oh, sorry daniels
[08:20] <HiddenWolf> there is a guy in #ubuntu with a warty-> hoary upgrade problem
[08:20] <HiddenWolf> says he tried both nv and nvidia drivers
[08:21] <HiddenWolf> if you would help, it's kakalto
[08:24] <HiddenWolf> Why do I always find annoying little bugs when it's too late to have them fixed?
[08:24] <daniels> HiddenWolf: yeah, got it, thanks
[08:25] <HiddenWolf> daniels, thank you :)
[08:25] <daniels> HiddenWolf: cheers
[08:25] <Kamion> mdz: around?
[08:25] <Kamion> mdz: is it time to publish stuff for mirroring yet?
[08:26] <Duluu> where is new release?
[08:26] <Kamion> Duluu: not yet
[08:26] <Kamion> couple of hours
[08:26] <Duluu> it'll today or?
[08:27] <Kamion> yes
[08:27] <Kamion> "couple of hours" => today
[08:31] <sabdfl> morning all!
[08:32] <HiddenWolf> Good morning to you! :)
[08:32] <daniels> 'evening captain
[08:32] <Kamion> yo
[08:33] <Keybuk> Kamion: unless you're in (say) west-coast US, in which case a couple of hours time is "tomorrow" :)
[08:34] <HiddenWolf> daniels, which logs do you need from that guy?
[08:34] <Kamion> Keybuk: yeah, Duluu's IP suggests more like East Asia though
[08:35] <daniels> HiddenWolf: /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/xorg.conf
[08:35] <HiddenWolf> daniels, cool, trying to calm the guy down. Seems bugzilla from lynx is a bitch
[08:36] <daniels> yeah, I can believe that.  ugh.
[08:36] <daniels> i'm stepping out for the night now; thanks a lot for stepping him through it.
[08:36] <smurfix> Are the .torrent files in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20050407/ the ones we'll use for the release?
[08:36] <HiddenWolf> daniels, all in the days work for a groupie ;)
[08:37] <Kamion> smurfix: no
[08:37] <Kamion> the filename will change so the torrent has to do
[08:38] <Kamion> er, "has to too"
[08:39] <smurfix> Kamion: OK, so I rsync the image and rename it locally
[08:39] <Kamion> smurfix: fairly soon I hope, waiting for ok to publish
[08:40] <Artemis3> i think you should publish torrent only for a while...
[08:40] <Kamion> sabdfl: mdz's asleep I think; how far in advance do you want to create the symlinks?
[08:41] <sabdfl> Kamion: ! thought we were going to release just before mdz crashed, was expecting that 9am-ish today
[08:41] <Kamion> I didn't expect him to crash
[08:41] <sabdfl> is mdz wanting to get up for the release?
[08:42] <Kamion> and apparently he told elmo we should wait
[08:42] <sabdfl> ok
[08:42] <Kamion> (at ~5am)
[08:42] <sabdfl> no mail from him
[08:43] <Kamion> maybe I should phone
[08:43] <sabdfl> i'll give him a call
[08:43] <Kamion> k
[08:44] <sabdfl> w.r.t. the symlinks, how many mirrors do we have that can be triggered, elmo?
[08:44] <Kamion> the ISOs have been on releases.u.c for some hours, apparently triggered mirrors at least should be updated, and we had slightly older versions on releases since Wednesday
[08:48] <sabdfl> just spoke with mdz
[08:48] <mdz> morning
[08:49] <mdz> I was just napping, so that I can stay up for a bit after the release
[08:49] <sabdfl> let's aim for 7am UTC, 8am data-center time, which is in 10 minutes
[08:49] <mpt> oy, who changed the GUI colors
[08:49] <Kamion> ah, cool
[08:49] <sabdfl> elmo: ping
[08:49] <mdz> elmo: looks like MOTU are done
[08:50] <Kamion> 07:26  * elmo runs back to hotel
[08:50] <Treenaks> Run Elmo Run!
[08:50] <sabdfl> swim trout, swim!
[08:51] <Kaloz> :D
[08:51] <Kaloz> good morning people
[08:52] <mdz> who can man the download page?
[08:54] <whiprush> !!
[08:54] <Kaloz> =)
[08:54] <thom> now that was good timing
[08:55] <JaneW> mdz: greets
[08:55] <thom> morning
[08:55] <Kaloz> 2 mins and counting :PP
[08:55] <JaneW> hmmm, still slightly early for beer here
[08:55] <Treenaks> Keybuk: the kernel, sensing broken hardware?
[08:55] <Kamion> I'm doing the publishing now, ignoring DVDs for the moment
[08:56] <Keybuk> Treenaks: hmm, just noticing a few "SMART Prefailure Attribute" notices in syslog
[08:57] <lamont> JaneW: some would consider that sacrilege
[08:57] <mdz> hmm, we lost mako?
[08:59] <mdz> sabdfl: the announcement is intact
[08:59] <Treenaks> 08:51 -!- mako [mako@micha.hampshire.edu]  has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 
[09:01] <Keybuk> yup, hard-drive appears to be dying :'(
[09:01] <Artemis3> so can i get a torrent now?
[09:01] <Kamion> Artemis3: patience please
[09:01] <Artemis3> gao~
[09:01] <jsgotangco> *drumroll*
[09:01] <Kamion> I've done the Ubuntu publish on little (but not yet synced to mirrors), Kubuntu in progress
[09:02] <Kamion> and in any case this isn't final 'til the announcement goes out, please don't hammer it straight away guys :)
[09:03] <elbi> will there be any changes between the daily images and the final release of hoary?
[09:03] <|QuaD-> congratulations guys!
[09:03] <sabdfl> Kamion: will you holler when both publishes are fully complete?
[09:03] <Kamion> sabdfl: yes
[09:03] <sabdfl> cool
[09:03] <Kamion> /srv/cdimage.no-name-yet.com/bin/sign-cdimage: line 20: /srv/cdimage.no-name-yet.com/www/simple/kubuntu/hoary/MD5SUMS: No such file or directory
[09:03] <Kamion> hmm, bear with me here
[09:03] <Artemis3> i just want .torrent
[09:04] <mdz> Artemis3: it will be available soon, stand by
[09:04] <Kamion> Artemis3: again, patience. the more questions I have to field, the longer it will take.
[09:04] <elbi> we will ;)
[09:05] <elbi> waaaaaaaiiiiiiiihhhhh!
[09:05] <Artemis3> teehehe
[09:05] <Artemis3> ^^'
[09:10] <Kamion> ... kubuntu live ...
[09:10] <mdz> we ought to have elmo on deck for this...
[09:11] <Kamion> I'll give him a ring
[09:11] <thom> he's prolly just getting off the tube now
[09:11] <sabdfl> sms'd him a few minutes ago
[09:11] <sabdfl> told him 8am DC time
[09:11] <Kamion> oh, ok, hung up on the ring tone then :)
[09:12] <sabdfl> hung up on the ring tone?
[09:12] <Kamion> I rang him, it was ringing, I hung up when you said you'd SMSed him
[09:13] <Artemis3> haha
[09:13] <lamont> Kamion: it works better if you poke it with a stick
[09:13] <Artemis3> killstick
[09:13] <Artemis3> no wait
[09:13] <Artemis3> not that one
[09:14] <Flonne> Boomstick?
[09:14] <Artemis3> ^^!
[09:15] <sabdfl> hmm... maybe he hasn't checked sms's?
[09:15] <mdz> Kamion: perhaps you can wave the same wand over it that you did over jigdo
[09:15] <sabdfl> no reply from him yet
[09:15] <thom> he's probably running
[09:15] <thom> you'll hear him
[09:15] <Kaloz> :)
[09:15] <Kamion> ok, looks plausible, syncing to mirrors
[09:15] <sabdfl> elmo's ready to rock in 30 seconds
[09:16] <jsgotangco> ok houston's already set?
[09:16] <elbi> live stream from your office please?
[09:16] <Kamion> elbi: what office?
[09:16] <Keybuk> elbi: Canonical doesn't _have_ an office! :p
[09:16] <Artemis3> a webcam would do
[09:16] <elbi> what?!
[09:16] <Artemis3> hehe
[09:17] <elbi> home work?
[09:17] <Kamion> yes
[09:17] <jsgotangco> its great isnt it
[09:17] <elbi> sounds like a quite mess sometimes ;)
[09:17] <elmo> here
[09:17] <Lathiat> the css files on ubuntu sites really need to be renamed :) firefox seems to cache them aggressively
[09:18] <mpt> Have fun, people
[09:19] <elbi> let's get some kickass torrent activity
[09:19] <Kamion> thom: please restart the tracker if necessary
[09:19] <Artemis3> sure
[09:19] <Artemis3> provide
[09:19] <jsgotangco> where's the official announcement so i can post in a lug list?
[09:19] <Artemis3> ah there
[09:19] <Artemis3> about time...
[09:19] <thom> Kamion: yes, watching
[09:19] <Artemis3> slowpoke ftp
[09:20] <Kamion> sabdfl: otherwise, should be done
[09:20] <Kamion> jsgotangco: NOT SENT YET
[09:20] <sabdfl> mdz: let's wait for elmo
[09:20] <Kamion> sabdfl: 08:17 < elmo> here
[09:20] <Mithrandir> thom: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-7/ and friends doesn't have NameWidth=*
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[09:20] <sabdfl> ok
[09:20] <Kamion> Mithrandir: that's my area not thom's
[09:20] <Mithrandir> Kamion: oh, ok.
[09:20] <Mithrandir> Kamion: just let it slide to post-release, then?
[09:20] <sabdfl> bolshuyu krasnuyu knopku...
[09:21] <Kamion> Mithrandir: er
[09:21] <thom> torrents still rsyncing, fwiw
[09:21] <Kamion> Mithrandir: actually, no, it is thom's. the .htaccess there does have NameWidth=*
[09:21] <Kamion> sabdfl: ?
[09:21] <smurfix> sabdfl: If you do that, at least use Cyrillic letters ;-)
[09:21] <Artemis3> f6b3f164c99761234858a4d2c12d0840  ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[09:21] <Artemis3> that should do
[09:21] <Artemis3> except i only care for the torrent
[09:21] <sabdfl> Kamion: big red button
[09:21] <Kamion> ah yes :)
[09:22] <mdz> elmo: please disable further uploads to hoary
[09:22] <Artemis3> hey
[09:22] <Artemis3> thats not fair
[09:22] <Mithrandir> Kamion: it would be nice to have a directory with just the torrents in, so I could just do wget -m on them for my torrent mirror.
[09:22] <Kamion> mdz: what should I do with DVDs?
[09:22] <Artemis3> let me in in the tracker...
[09:22] <d3vic3> mdz, no more uploads until release ? 
[09:22] <elmo> mdz: done
[09:22] <Kamion> d3vic3: we just released
[09:22] <mdz> d3vic3: no more uploads to hoary _ever_
[09:22] <Flonne> So the torrents are good to go?
[09:22] <elmo> final(ish) cron.daily is running
[09:22] <smurfix> Mithrandir: you can tell wget to fetch based on extensions
[09:22] <Artemis3> grr
[09:22] <d3vic3> O.o
[09:22] <Keybuk> mdz: I guess I should disable mom today as well? :)
[09:23] <mdz> Keybuk: redirect it to breezy, rather
[09:23] <Mithrandir> smurfix: oh, how?
[09:23] <jdub> Keybuk: mom has a new problem child to look after ;)
[09:23] <Keybuk> there needs to be a breezy archive for me to do that...? :p
[09:23] <mdz> Keybuk: elmo said 0801 UTC ;-)
[09:23] <smurfix> Mithrandir: I dimly remember an option to do that ...
[09:24] <smurfix> Mithrandir: I might be mistaken though
[09:24] <smurfix> Mithrandir: no, "-A torrent" does that
[09:25] <Mithrandir> let's see what this gbit line is good for!
[09:25] <Mithrandir> smurfix: ah
[09:25] <Treenaks> 3
[09:25] <Artemis3> i cant get into the tracker
[09:25] <Artemis3> :(
[09:25] <elbi> try again, works now
[09:26] <jdub> elmo: do we have any mirrors on Internet2?
[09:26] <doko> maybe we should limit bandwith with direction Norway ... ;)
[09:26] <elmo> jdub: se.{archive,releases}.u.c is
[09:26] <Mithrandir> doko: dude, it's bittorrent, I'm seeding out too. :)
[09:26] <elmo> at least
[09:26] <jdub> elmo: rock, thanks
[09:27] <Keybuk> mdz: want bugs turned on again I guess too?
[09:27] <elbi> we need seeds!
[09:27] <torkel> elmo: it is?
[09:27] <mdz> Keybuk: not quite yet, let me breathe for the weekend
[09:27] <Kamion> speaking of seeds, I guess I should branch the seeds archive now :)
[09:27] <Kamion> (for breezy)
[09:27] <Artemis3> ok
[09:27] <Artemis3> im in
[09:27] <Artemis3> thanks
[09:28] <sabdfl> i'll edit the download page
[09:28] <sabdfl> elmo: what mirrors can i point at out of the box?
[09:28] <Kamion> I was trying to, but Firefox on this system remembers the wrong password
[09:29] <elmo> sabdfl: guaranteed, us.releases.ubuntu.com, se.releases.ubuntu.com and releases.ubuntu.com
[09:29] <elmo> sabdfl: I'll run the mirror checker now to see which have the symlink
[09:29] <mdz> elmo: can you send mail to the rest and ask them to sync up as soon as they can?
[09:29] <Kaloz> btw, when i mailed about that i want to provide a hungarian mirror, my mail was ignored :p
[09:30] <Kaloz> should i set it up again? :p
[09:31] <infinity> I'm getting the dailing boot from the library.
[09:32] <infinity> Happy releasing, everyone.
[09:32] <thom> cya ifni
[09:32] <Mithrandir> infinity: see ya
[09:32] <thom> aaargh, torrent hash checks *so* slow
[09:33] <Lathiat> thom: using the python stuff?
[09:33] <Lathiat> a friend and i are working on some torrent stuff and his hashing (which is in delphi) seems to go *alot* faster than azureus or the python official stuff
[09:33] <thom> yes, python stuffs
[09:35] <lamont> thom: clearly it needs a C binding, eh?
[09:35] <Lathiat> heh yeh
[09:37] <zenrox> lol
[09:38] <sabdfl> erk
[09:39] <Kamion> erk?
[09:39] <sabdfl> se.releases.ubuntu.com gives a weird page
[09:39] <Keybuk> it does?  looks like apache to me
[09:40] <elmo> http://na.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/ubuntu-releases
[09:40] <elmo> is up-to-date
[09:40] <Kamion> se.releases might still point to that broken mirror of maswan's
[09:40] <elmo> http://planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu/releases/ is up-to-date too
[09:40] <Kamion> or at least one of the IPs
[09:40] <elmo> so far those are the only ones to have caught up
[09:40] <Keybuk> premature congrats, I've gotta go catch a train
[09:41] <elmo> sabdfl: ^--
[09:41] <Kamion> maswan: se.releases.ubuntu.com -> same virtual hosting as for releases.ubuntu.com please?
[09:42] <elmo> alternatively http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/mirror/ubuntu-releases/
[09:42] <elmo> or just http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/ubuntu-releases/ (I guess)
[09:42] <sabdfl> yes i'm going to link directly
[09:42] <mdz> sabdfl: announcement is standing by
[09:42] <thom> torrents look like they're rolling steadily
[09:43] <mdz> sabdfl: hmm, there is no link to the release notes in the announcement; shall I add one?
[09:43] <sabdfl> elmo: planetmirror still seems to indicate RC
[09:43] <sabdfl> mdz: page is ready
[09:43] <sabdfl> mdz: good idea :-)
[09:43] <elmo> hmm, how special
[09:44] <elmo> planetmirror have managed to mirror kubuntu but not ubuntu/hoary
[09:44] <sabdfl> prejudiced b*stards
[09:44] <elmo> sorry, I assumed no one would have done that
[09:44] <elmo> the .it mirror is the same
[09:44] <sabdfl> mdz: let's ROCK
[09:44] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[09:44] <sabdfl> we can add extra mirrors as they come online
[09:44] <elmo> yeah, I'll make the checking script less kubuntu-biased
[09:44] <sabdfl> mr zimmerman you have the floor :-)
[09:45] <jsgotangco> go go go
[09:45] <d3vic3> O_O
[09:46] <haggai> elmo: hey that's just great how the checking script is now >:)
[09:46] <mdz> doing final link check
[09:47] <mdz> announcement is away
[09:48] <Flonne> So it's official?
[09:48] <jsgotangco> we have lift off?
[09:48] <Flonne> Kubuntu torrent just started working. :)
[09:48] <lamont> woot!
[09:48] <pitti> \o/
[09:49] <Flonne> 417 kB/s down, 302kB/s up (total) \o/
[09:49] <pitti> Go, Hoary, go!
[09:49] <sabdfl> congrats everybody, and especially mdz, kamion, elmo, fabbione, dholbach, ogra, main & motu! also thanks to the doc-team who are a new force to be reckoned with in the ubuntu world
[09:49] <Burgundavia> Flonne: I hate you
[09:49] <whiprush> congrats gentlemen. 
[09:49] <jsgotangco> woo hoo
[09:49] <Flonne> Shaw's based in Calgary, Burgundavia. :)
[09:49] <Burgundavia> Flonne: bah
[09:49] <Flonne> Hooray for Hoary!
[09:50] <jsgotangco> nice one
[09:50] <jdub> mdz: moderated
[09:50] <dilinger> congratulations
[09:51] <jdub> mdz, sabdfl: moderate kubuntu announce mail from jr?
[09:51] <mdz> jdub: yes please
[09:51] <Burgundavia> mdz: download just reverted to old styel
[09:51] <Burgundavia> w.u.c/download that is
[09:52] <mdz> Burgundavia: browsers cache the old CSS sometimes
[09:52] <sabdfl> jdub: moderate?
[09:52] <mdz> sabdfl: s/moderate/approve/
[09:52] <Burgundavia> mdz: bloody wierd
[09:52] <jdub> done
[09:52] <sabdfl> jdub, mdz: absolutely
[09:52] <Burgundavia> mdz: I had the rc page, with the new style, then the old style
[09:52] <mdz> Burgundavia: yes, we have seen this as well
[09:52] <sabdfl> Riddell: when is yours hitting the streets?
[09:52] <mdz> sabdfl: it just did
[09:52] <mdz> sabdfl: http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-release.php
[09:53] <sabdfl> kool
[09:53] <Riddell> we are go
[09:53] <Riddell> time for a good bowl of porridge
[09:53] <jsgotangco> windows using friends?
[09:54] <mdz> jsgotangco: "windows-using friends"
[09:54] <morgs> friends don't let windows use friends... :)
[09:54] <pitti> sabdfl, mdz: what about the home page? The news still talks about the RC
[09:54] <Riddell> thanks to sabdfl, mdz, Kamion, elmo, jdub et al for all their help
[09:54] <jsgotangco> ok off to start breezy documentation
[09:54] <jsgotangco> hehe
[09:54] <sabdfl> i don't know how to add news to the home page :-)
[09:55] <sabdfl> will ask silbs to add the final release announcement
[09:55] <sabdfl> in a few minutes
[09:55] <mdz> Mithrandir: are you torrenting some of that wondrous bandwidth of yours? ;-)
[09:55] <thom> mdz: i am abusing all the LINX i can get my hands on with torrents
[09:55] <jdub> man, the site is weird
[09:56] <jdub> bouncing through all different css b0rkage and workage
[09:56] <HiddenWolf> yeah, just go from frontpage to planet, you'll be suprized
[09:56] <HiddenWolf> white background, yellow logo
[09:57] <jdub> elmo: did you update puc?
[09:57] <Burgundavia> and sometimes the background doesn't load on the mainpage
[09:57] <elmo> jdub: puc?
[09:57] <elmo> oh
[09:57] <elmo> doing
[09:57] <jdub> thanks
[09:58] <pitti> elmo: btw, is hoary-security open now?
[09:58] <Mithrandir> mdz: pushing 1.9MB/sec ATM.
[09:58] <jsgotangco> borked css
[09:58] <elmo> pitti: hoary-security has been there for months and months
[09:58] <elmo> it was only hoary-updates that was missing
[09:59] <pitti> ok, thanks
[09:59] <Kamion> breezy seeds archives created, for the sheer hell of it
[09:59] <elmo> in any event uploads aren't being processed yet
[09:59] <Kamion> copies of hoary
[09:59] <pitti> elmo: will amber automatically recognize that there are now two affected distros?
[09:59] <Kaloz> in 10 mins, my box will have all the release files. you can add it to the mirrors, too
[09:59] <pitti> s/distros/releases/
[09:59] <seb128> hi
[10:00] <pitti> Hi seb128 
[10:00] <elmo> pitti: amber doesn't care, the distro information is encoded in the upload
[10:00] <seb128> i386 works fine here :)
[10:00] <lamont> pitti: building chroots for hoary-security now.
[10:00] <Kaloz> at least for hungary, it wil lbe faster :)
[10:00] <seb128> s/i386/i386 DVD/
[10:00] <pitti> seb128: you just missed the show :-)
[10:00] <lamont> pitti: and then your uploads will actually build
[10:00] <seb128> pitti: oh ?
[10:00] <lamont> elmo: hoary-updates is in w-b as well?
[10:00] <pitti> lamont: nice, thanks :-)
[10:00] <pitti> seb128: [09:47]  <mdz> announcement is away
[10:01] <elmo> lamont: yes, told you it was
[10:01] <seb128> pitti: cool :)
[10:01] <lamont> elmo: yeah, is late here.
[10:02] <thom> CAN I UPLOAD TO BREEZY YET? CAN I CAN I CAN I? :P
[10:02] <pitti> thom: <Kamion> breezy seeds archives created, for the sheer hell of it  ??
[10:02] <lamont> thom: sure.  But I bet it gets rejected.
[10:02] <d3vic3> thom: heheheheh
[10:02] <elmo> lamont: no, days ago :p
[10:02] <lamont> elmo: yeah
[10:02] <Kamion> hmm, why isn't the seeds archive mirror on rookery updating properly I wonder
[10:02] <lamont> I just hadn't created them yet, and didn't remember that you'd told me
[10:03] <jdub> celebrating birth of hoary and death of pope all at once
[10:03] <jsgotangco> haha
[10:03] <jsgotangco> omg
[10:03] <jsgotangco> i remember
[10:03] <jsgotangco> its his funeral today
[10:03] <jsgotangco> and im a catholic
[10:03] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[10:03] <elmo> jdub: http://people.ubuntu.com/~james/paste/006.txt
[10:03] <d3vic3> OMG
[10:03] <elmo> but I think I've whined about that before
[10:04] <elmo> jdub: anyway, update done
[10:04] <lamont> jdub: is my brothers b-day today too, he says thanks
[10:05] <Artemis3> they are actually moving the pope right now
[10:05] <Artemis3> interesting coincidence
[10:05] <jsgotangco> ive seen the pope twice
[10:06] <Kamion> oh, I'm just a muppet, breezy seeds visible now
[10:07] <jsgotangco> i think the hoary upgrade howto in the wiki should be updated
[10:07] <jsgotangco> hrrmmm
[10:07] <jsgotangco> let me check that
[10:08] <JaneW> This may be a bit premature, but can I start updating http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals and add a BreezyGoals page yet?
[10:08] <Kamion> don't see why not
[10:08] <JaneW> :)
[10:10] <sabdfl> JaneW: put it in the UDU wiki
[10:10] <mdz> I managed to finish my beer before the release even happened
[10:11] <Kaloz> :p
[10:11] <Lathiat> haha
[10:12] <JaneW> sabdfl: will do
[10:12] <JaneW> /me sings "Keep on rockin' in the free world.
[10:12] <jsgotangco> id like a scotch but its only 4pm
[10:13] <Lathiat> i'd like a scotch or beer but im broke till monday :\ heh
[10:13] <mdz> jsgotangco: the release was cleverly scheduled to be late enough for scotch on PDT
[10:13] <Kamion> mdz: have a good release party
[10:13] <Treenaks> mdz: the next one should favor Europe!
[10:13] <Kamion> I think I'll go catch up on nap
[10:13] <thom> mdz: enjoy
[10:13] <mdz> Kamion: there are only three of us so far, for tomorrow night, but we'll see
[10:13] <mdz> Kamion: sleep well and thanks for all your efforts
[10:14] <Kamion> mdz: that can be a good party :)
[10:14] <mdz> hmm, the Kubuntu release is on distrowatch, but not yet Ubuntu ;-)
[10:14] <Burgundavia> ha ha
[10:15] <haggai> mdz: muhaha
[10:15] <Burgundavia> kubuntu hit distrowatch first
[10:16] <jsgotangco> haha
[10:16] <Kaloz> okay. it's there. Hungarian mirror up at http://dune.hu/ubuntu-releases . I post it to HUP (Hungarian Unix Portal) to get people download from there to save some bw for You.
[10:16] <sladen> haggai: it might be worth replacing that .php with a static page.  it's /. itself already
[10:16] <Kamion> Kaloz: any chance you could mirror the .htaccess, HEADER.html, FOOTER.html too?
[10:16] <Kamion> might as well make it look pretty
[10:17] <mdz> sabdfl: adding to the release checklist: grep the release announcement for mentions of the _previous_ release ;-)
[10:17] <Kaloz> Kamion: sure. can wget grab those or is should get rsync?
[10:17] <Mithrandir> Kaloz: ask people to use bittorrent. :)
[10:17] <Kamion> mdz: haha, d'oh
[10:18] <Kaloz> Kamion: better? :)
[10:18] <Kamion> Kaloz: wget should be fine
[10:18] <Kaloz> yep, but .htaccess isn't wgetable for sure ,)
[10:18] <Kamion> oh, rsync then
[10:18] <Kamion> Kaloz: getting there, it's missing the descriptions and FOOTER.html shows up in the index
[10:19] <Kaloz> ah
[10:19] <Kamion> which probably just means you need the .htaccess
[10:19] <Kamion> or possibly to tweak apache allowoverrides
[10:21] <Kamion> Kaloz: I've added that to /download/, thanks; but only under "Other Mirrors" for now because I'm not quite sure what to do about the "Europe" entry in the current list
[10:21] <sladen> is there any chance  www.kubuntu.org  could be put behind the reverse-proxy.  It's getting hammered
[10:21] <Kamion> elmo: does Kaloz need to mail mirrors@ubuntu.com to get that onto your list?
[10:21] <rubenv> Congratulations with the release everyone!
[10:21] <mdz> sabdfl: eek, the FAQ is broken
[10:21] <Kaloz> Kamion: no problems. anywa,y the box wil lbe upgraded next week, so it can hold the whole archieve, too
[10:21] <Treenaks> are we on slashdot yet?
[10:22] <mdz> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/documentation/faq/ shows nothing
[10:22] <JaneW> sabdfl: sorry but I see there's already a Breezy page at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreezyBadger, which has similar info, sure that should be updated rather?
[10:22] <mdz> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq?full=1 works though
[10:22] <sladen> mdz: yes.  That was what I emailed Henrik about that last night...
[10:23] <Kamion> Kaloz: cool, thanks
[10:23] <mdz> hmm, zero upload on ubuntu-5.04-live-powerpc.iso.torrent
[10:23] <Kaloz> Kamion: np :) how big is the whole archieve? arounf 70G?
[10:24] <mdz> all the others are active
[10:24] <mdz> rubenv: thanks
[10:24] <Kamion> Kaloz: the archive, as in .debs? dunno, I only do CD images
[10:24] <mdz> JaneW: that was put together by a random wiki passer-by; I haven't reviewed it yet
[10:24] <Kaloz> Kamion: k :) warty with cdimages was around 40G if i recall right
[10:25] <mdz> the FAQ needs updating, especially the KDE question
[10:26] <mjg59> Congratulations, all
[10:26] <HiddenWolf> I wonder, why do I have a kubuntu announce in my inbox, but not an ubuntu one?
[10:26] <mdz> mjg59: thanks
[10:26] <sabdfl> mjg59: thanks to you for our TotallyRadLaptopSupport
[10:27] <haggai> sladen: the box itself is fine, 0.3% CPU usage tops
[10:27] <Kamion> Kaloz: the whole of cdimage.ubuntu.com comes to ~139MB
[10:27] <rubenv> Breezy is planned for october right?
[10:27] <mdz> MB?
[10:27] <Kamion> er, GB
[10:27] <mdz> rubenv: yes
[10:28] <Kamion> Kaloz: releases.ubuntu.com is ~98GB
[10:28] <Kaloz> k
[10:28] <rubenv> Great, given the fact that I've got little to do during summer, I'll try my best to help out :-)
[10:28] <hno73> Those having wiki skin problems: are you logged in?
[10:29] <hno73> try setting the skin to Ubuntu in prefrences
[10:29] <lamont> elmo: hrm... I think I'm going to disable the buildds on ia64 for now...
[10:29] <Lathiat> Treenaks: perhaps because the release announcement hasnt gone out yet :)
[10:29] <Treenaks> Lathiat: it hasn't?
[10:29] <thom> Lathiat: except it has
[10:29] <lamont> Lathiat: huh?
[10:29] <Treenaks> Lathiat: I have it.. on -announce
[10:29] <elmo> lamont: good plan
[10:30] <lamont> elmo: yeah
[10:30] <Lathiat> oh it has
[10:30] <Lathiat> i jsut got it
[10:30] <Riddell> Treenaks: distrowatch looks good to me :)
[10:30] <sladen> haggai: it's takes 24 seconds to return a page
[10:30] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[10:30] <jsgotangco> Kubuntu *evil grin*
[10:30] <rubenv> Lathiat: but your point is right, the kubuntu ones were a bit quicker on the mailserver ;-)
[10:30] <haggai> sladen: I guess it must be a bandwidth problem
[10:31] <sladen> jsgotangco: it's all that eye-candy bling
[10:31] <Treenaks> Riddell: yeah, but you're some kind of kde person
[10:31] <Lathiat> rubenv: perhaps because it was sent 18 minutes earlier :)
[10:31] <sladen> haggai: not at my end...
[10:31] <sladen> haggai: try:   time wget -q -O - http://www.kubuntu.org/   or something similar
[10:31] <Amaranth> 4mbit cable :)
[10:32] <rubenv> ah torrents, I'll put up a 100mbit seed for the cds
[10:32] <Amaranth> oh, and 2mbit up
[10:32] <Treenaks> website error: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/marketplace/ (marketplace link on front page) 404's
[10:32] <Amaranth> rubenv: Ok, I don't need to seed then. :P
[10:32] <Lathiat> Amaranth: the more the merrier :)
[10:33] <mdz> Treenaks: tell hno73
[10:33] <Treenaks> hno73: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/marketplace/ (marketplace link on front page) 404s
[10:33] <rubenv> http://releases.ubuntulinux.org/hoary/ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso.torrent
[10:33] <rubenv> why do i get a 404 for this?
[10:33] <dredg> ah, thankfully planet.u.c no longer looks like it was beaten with the entire ugly tree
[10:34] <rubenv> aha not anymore
[10:34] <hno73> Treenaks: looking
[10:34] <Pizbit> rubenv: Works here:)
[10:34] <Burgundavia> hno73: didn't for me
[10:34] <haggai> sladen: you're right, 26 sec from the machine itself :-/
[10:35] <Amaranth> yay, 460KB/s download on the torrent :)
[10:35] <Amaranth> i'll have it seeding in no time
[10:35] <hno73> The right link is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/supportoptions/marketplace
[10:35] <Pizbit> rubenv: The more on the torrent the better:)
[10:35] <Pizbit> Amaranth: Yay, 'cause I'm keeping 0kiB/s:)
[10:35] <hno73> Front page is wrong; thanks, fixing ...
[10:35] <rubenv> Will take a while before it starts seeding thoug
[10:35] <rubenv> *though
[10:35] <Kamion> elmo: meh, 82.211.81.155 is out of date
[10:35] <Kamion> rubenv: ^- that was your 404
[10:35] <rubenv> Kamion: not really
[10:36] <rubenv> 66.98.158.57
[10:36] <Kamion> rubenv: huh?
[10:36] <elmo> Kamion: ??
[10:36] <Kamion> elmo: 09:33 < rubenv> http://releases.ubuntulinux.org/hoary/ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso.torrent
[10:36] <rubenv> I'm not seeding it through my home laptop ;-)
[10:36] <Kamion> (echo HEAD /hoary/ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso.torrent HTTP/1.1; echo Host: releases.ubuntulinux.org; echo Connection: close; echo) | socket 82.211.81.155 80
[10:36] <Kamion> reproduces
[10:36] <elmo> PLEASE GOD tell me we didn't use releases.ul.o in the announce?
[10:37] <Kamion> the announce pointed to /download/, which points to releases.u.c
[10:38] <elmo> anyway fixed DNS
[10:38] <rubenv> The curious thing about ubuntu bittorrent is that the i386 ones are always the slowest ones, you'd expect otherwise
[10:39] <mdz> elmo: we only used www.ubuntulinux.org/download/ in the announcement
[10:39] <elmo> mdz: ok, cool
[10:39] <elmo> it's a RR so dns will prop fast in any event
[10:39] <sladen> rubenv: all the cheapskates use i386
[10:40] <mdz> elmo: the ppc torrent just picked up, coincidence?
[10:40] <rubenv> sladen: as a poor student, I currently can't afford a powerbook ;-)
[10:41] <lamont> sladen: btw, wondering if the bind9.3.1 bits fix 212226 for you
[10:42] <Amaranth> ssh is _painful_ when i'm maxing out on bittorrent :p
[10:42] <elmo> mdz: imagine so, ubuntlinux doesn't appear in the .torrent's 
[10:43] <sladen> lamont: there's two mentions in the changelog of things that might affect it.  I'll try it
[10:43] <lamont> sladen: yeah, was thinking the same thing...
[10:47] <Pizbit> rubenv: Yep, it's slowly picking up speed though
[10:48] <maswan> http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/monitordata/index.html.en
[10:48] <maswan> nice :)
[10:48] <maswan> Kamion: Ok, I thought I fixed that, but apparently I forgot some bit of it.
[10:49] <mdz> maswan: wow
[10:50] <mdz> I wonder what us.archive looks like
[10:50] <jdub> maswan: *cough* "spike" :)
[10:50] <maswan> http://stats.sunet.se/stat-q/plot-all/sundsvall1-umea2,today,raw,traffic-kbit
[10:50] <maswan> made a nice impact on the 10Gbit backbone link too. :)
[10:51] <sladen> elmo: the nameservers in resolv.conf on the kubuntu box are unreachable.
[10:51] <maswan> http://stats.sunet.se/stat-q/plot-all/umea2.umea-srp,2005-04-08,raw,traffic-kbit
[10:51] <maswan> that one is just our university
[10:51] <lamont> maswan: heh
[10:51] <sladen> elmo: ping haggai
[10:52] <haggai> no I was using the wrong test, nameservers are ok
[10:53] <Mithrandir> maswan: nice. :)
[10:53] <maswan> ServerAlias releases.ubuntu.com se.releases.ubuntu.com releases.ubuntulinux.org se.releases.ubuntulinux.org
[10:53] <maswan> any other needed?
[10:57] <maswan> Fetched 4722kB in 30s (155kB/s) <- I've never seen the ftp cluster this slow. but it is still usable. :)
[10:58] <HiddenWolf> Did the server just become totally unusable?
[10:58] <Mithrandir> gah, bittorrent _eats_ my box.
[10:58] <Mithrandir> we should write a better client, IMHO.
[10:58] <elmo> maswan: hey, you asked for a test :)
[10:58] <elmo> Mithrandir: err, and server
[10:58] <elmo> the server's worse
[10:58] <Mithrandir> elmo: sure, that too.
[10:59] <Amaranth> What's wrong with bittorent 4? It looks nice and seems to run fine.
[10:59] <Amaranth> Except for the odd time when it freezes, but all apps seem to do that.
[11:00] <maswan> elmo: those ServerAlias, are those all that are needed, or do you want more?
[11:01] <maswan> elmo: And it seems like my estimate of "somewhere around 500-600Mbit/s" is fairly accurate. :)
[11:01] <koke> hi all! congrats for hoary :)
[11:03] <mdz> koke: thanks
[11:03] <maswan> elmo: any particular reason you didn't like 130.239.18.142 ?
[11:05] <ska-fan> Is using shipit when I can perfectly well download the iso images at no additional cost considered abuse?
[11:07] <jdub> ska-fan: no
[11:07] <jdub> ska-fan: shipit means handign out lots of CDs to your friends
[11:07] <Mithrandir> bah
[11:07] <Mithrandir> rhytmbox skips 'cause I'm using too much bandwidth
[11:10] <lamont> jdub: friends?  I give them a handful and make them hand them out.. :0)
[11:10] <lamont> total strangers get the singletons..:)
[11:11] <Mithrandir> lamont: yeah, that works well for me too.. given that my "friends" includes "computer university computer club" and "local LUG".
[11:11] <lamont> heh
[11:11] <lamont> anyway, I think it's bed time for me.
[11:11] <lamont> 3AM and all that
[11:11] <thom> torrent's done 30GB of i386 installer cds
[11:11] <thom> lamont: is that all?
[11:12] <Burgundavia> is early morning on the east coast
[11:13] <pitti> Hi astharot 
[11:13] <fabbione> hey guys
[11:13] <astharot> hi Martin
[11:13] <Mithrandir> thom: I'm responsible for about 1/6th of that. :P
[11:13] <pitti> Hi fabbione, howdy?
[11:13] <lamont> thom: yeah
[11:13] <Mithrandir> thom: or, is that in total?
[11:13] <Mithrandir> or just the seed in the DC.
[11:13] <thom> Mithrandir: that's total
[11:13] <astharot> pitti: today is THE day! I imagine that mirros are exploding! :P
[11:13] <fabbione> pitti: just arrived at launchpad
[11:13] <Mithrandir> thom: *chuckle*; then I've pushed 1/6th of it.
[11:13] <mpt> astharot: That's seven years bad luck, you know
[11:13] <mpt> astharot: ... each
[11:14] <thom> Mithrandir: (torrent.ubuntu.com:6969)
[11:14] <pitti> fabbione: erm, where's that geographically? :-)
[11:14] <elmo> maswan: it didn't take the fixed you did to the other 3 swo releases.u.c worked
[11:14] <thom> Mithrandir: about the same for amnesiac
[11:14] <thom> pitti: south ken, aka mark's flat
[11:14] <mdz> aka the lunchpad
[11:14] <pitti> ah
[11:14] <Mithrandir> thom: it seems a bit slow, I'm only pushing 1.3+2.9MB/sec here now.
[11:14] <fabbione> pitti: sabdfl's home
[11:15] <pitti> fabbione: cool
[11:15] <lamont> thom: if 359 are complete, how can that possibly be 35GB, since that would make the iso about 100MB?
[11:15] <maswan> elmo: Gaaah. Fixed now. All it lacked was an apachectl graceful.
[11:16] <fabbione> elmo: did you get my sms?
[11:16] <thom> lamont: meh?
[11:16] <lamont> thom: ah - complete isn't how many have gotten it, it's how many have it.
[11:16] <lamont> nm
[11:16] <thom> yes
[11:16] <mdz> ok, I'm going to crash.  good night all, congratulations and thanks
[11:16] <thom> night mdz
[11:16] <maswan> 'night mdz 
[11:16] <Mithrandir> mdz: rock on
[11:17] <jdub> night mdz
[11:17] <fabbione> mdz: good night
[11:18] <mjg59> elmo: Uh, gluck is down again (just in case you hadn't noticed)
[11:18] <mvo> night mdz
[11:19] <Kamion> maswan: serveralias> cool, thanks
[11:20] <Treenaks> night lamont 
[11:20] <fabbione> night lamont
[11:24] <Kaloz> Kamion: okay, enabled the overrides, too
[11:26] <Amaranth> i'm going to miss 100MB/day upgrades
[11:26] <Kaloz> hehe
[11:26] <Amaranth> and i didn't even have anything to update from 24 hours ago to now
[11:26] <Amaranth> this is a new low :/
[11:26] <mpt> I paid NZ$35 for today's upgrades!
[11:26] <mpt> I'm not going to miss them
[11:26] <Amaranth> o_O
[11:27] <Amaranth> Sucks to pay out the ass per byte.
[11:27] <Mithrandir> Amaranth: you could just switch to breezy. :P
[11:27] <mpt> Sorry, $37.50
[11:27] <rubenv> Amaranth: yeah it feels so ... stable
[11:27] <Amaranth> Mithrandir: It isn't setup yet, is it?
[11:27] <rubenv> it's frightening :-)
[11:28] <Mithrandir> Amaranth: it's set up, but uploads aren't accepted yet.  Give us developers the weekend to rest at least. :)
[11:28] <Amaranth> well, as long as i can change to it now i'll be ok :)
[11:28] <rubenv> Mithrandir: take a week off :-)
[11:28] <Simira> :-)
[11:28] <Mithrandir> hi Simira 
[11:29] <Amaranth> No week off, must upload! *cracks whip*
[11:29] <Simira> the weekend off, eh, Mithrandir? With me, then?
[11:29] <jsgotangco> lol
[11:29] <thom> Simira: mithrandir needs to get multiarch working by the time breezy opens
[11:29] <Mithrandir> thom: are you sure you want me to do that?
[11:30] <rubenv> & attaches a beer to it
[11:30] <Simira> thom: obviously not this weekend. He's mine ;)
[11:30] <thom> Mithrandir: it'll be fun!
[11:31] <Mithrandir> thom: of course it will.  And it'll flood GB 'cause elmo will be crying so hard.
[11:31] <thom> heh
[11:31] <thom> do it quick while he's AFK!
[11:32] <Mithrandir> I think he would actually bring one of the Xserves to UDU and bat me to death with it.
[11:32] <thom> it's entirely possible
[11:32] <Mithrandir> (like he threatened when I suggested he should try random stuff from the obsd install manual)
[11:33] <Kamion> Kaloz: cool, thanks, looks good
[11:33] <jdub> Mithrandir: and once you're a bloody pool of gibs on the floor, can i have the big ipod? :-)
[11:33] <Amaranth> grr, the ipod's mine! :)
[11:34] <Mithrandir> jdub: it'll be bloody. :P
[11:34] <Simira> jdub: hey, stay OFF!
[11:35] <fabbione> hey Mith, Simira
[11:35] <Mithrandir> hiya fabio
[11:37] <pitti> fabbione: how's hacking@launchpad?
[11:37] <fabbione> pitti: slow :)
[11:37] <pitti> uh?
[11:37] <Mithrandir> pitti: s/launch/lunch/
[11:38] <fabbione> i miss my build cluster :)
[11:38] <pitti> fabbione: ssh?
[11:38] <pitti> ;-)
[11:38] <fabbione> pitti: well i did shutdown stuff at home before coming here
[11:38] <fabbione> it reduces the risks of my wife touching something
[11:38] <pitti> hehe
[11:38] <Simira> hi fabbione
[11:39] <pitti> fabbione: she might pull out the plug when plugging in the vacuum cleaner *grin*
[11:39] <fabbione> pitti: exactly
[11:40] <pitti> fabbione: so where's the new kernel crack? 
[11:40] <fabbione> pitti: working on it already
[11:40] <pitti> really? I was just kidding
[11:40] <fabbione> we have the orig and start cleaning the patches around
[11:40] <fabbione> i am not :)
[11:41] <fabbione> pitti: from now on. just focus for stuff that will not 2.6.12
[11:41] <fabbione> we will skip .11
[11:41] <pitti> yeah, makes sense
[11:41] <jdub> fabbione: got inotify 0.22?
[11:41] <fabbione> jdub: gimme a break
[11:41] <pitti> given that we will probably have .13 at the time when breezy is released
[11:41] <jdub> fabbione: ;)
[11:42] <Lathiat> hehe
[11:42] <pitti> jdub: got gamin 1.0?
[11:42] <Lathiat> jdub: any idea if its better?
[11:42] <Lathiat> 0.19 made my kernel cry
[11:42] <jdub> Lathiat: significantly so
[11:42] <fabbione> jdub: external drivers will be the last thing we will read
[11:42] <fabbione> s/read/re-add/
[11:42] <jdub> fabbione: ok, cool
[11:42] <pitti> fabbione: btw, is the ppc sleep crack upstream now? this was a pretty intrusive one, wasn't it?
[11:43] <jdub> pitti: gamin 1.0 doesn't exist
[11:43] <pitti> jdub: write it :-)
[11:43] <fabbione> pitti: no idea really.. you should ask to the ppc porter or acpi subsystem maintainer
[11:43] <fabbione> gamin needs to be rewritten anyway
[11:43] <jdub> pitti: definitely not my department ;)
[11:43] <fabbione> what's the point of a 1.0 :)
[11:44] <jdub> fabbione: oddly, rml wrote a new demo using giochannel, which could help with the gamin core
[11:44] <pitti> gamin (1.0-1) breezy ; urgency=low
[11:44] <pitti>   * unfuck everything
[11:45] <sabdfl> elmo: looks horribly like a flattening at 480 mbit/s on our stats
[11:45] <jdub> fabbione: (i think DV got caught up in using dnotify and fam abi compat)
[11:46] <maswan> I have another machine that I'd like to do some performance testing on, the new cdimage.debian.org.. ;)
[11:46] <maswan> Oh, well. Off to the uni, then ponder such evils.
[11:47] <d3vic3> daniels: xorg is using 40% of my CPU and 12% of 512 MB memory, is this ok ?
[11:47] <elmo> sabdfl: maswan's taking a big chunk of our load
[11:47] <mjg59> pitti: Yeah, it's upstream
[11:47] <Mithrandir> d3vic3: you can't see how much memory X uses easily, it maps the memory of your graphics card.
[11:47] <jdub> weird, clicking on the screenshots prompts me to download them
[11:47] <pitti> mjg59: cool, thanks
[11:47] <d3vic3> hmmm
[11:47] <sabdfl> elmo: mdz sent me their stats - that's awesome, but i'm worried that we seem to be hitting an infrastructure bottleneck
[11:48] <elmo> sabdfl: I don't think we are - I know snares can do more, and the mirror boxes internally aren't even breaking  a sweat
[11:48] <sabdfl> ok
[11:48] <d3vic3> Mithrandir:  62.4% 11.9%   5:24.65 Xorg
[11:48] <jdub> and the OOo screenshot doesn't have the gtk+ integration
[11:48] <mjg59> elmo: You going to be in London tonight?
[11:49] <doko> pitti: breezy already working? the toolchain update wasn't accepted yet ;)
[11:49] <d3vic3> Mithrandir, CPU usage is going up ^
[11:49] <elmo> mjI'm in london now
[11:49] <elmo> mjg59 too
[11:49] <pitti> doko: no idea
[11:49] <mjg59> elmo: Rock
[11:49] <elmo> I'm stuck in a never ending round of sales calls, it's making me want to jump out of the window
[11:50] <Clint> you should have never become a telemarketer then
[11:50] <mjg59> elmo: You've seen gluck is dead?
[11:51] <mjg59> MAKE THE UNIVERSE WORK
[11:51] <Lathiat> mjg59: woops
[11:51] <Lathiat> mjg59: howd that happen :\
[11:51] <elmo> mjg59: err, more dead?
[11:51] <mjg59> elmo: Not pinging
[11:52] <mjg59> Debian infrastructure obviously thinks an Ubuntu release is close enough to the real thing
[11:52] <elmo> oh dear christ
[11:53] <sabdfl> oh the conspiracy theorists will love that
[11:53] <jsgotangco> a lot of people are asking why kubuntu is announced first in distrowatch while ubuntu is not even mentioned *grin*
[11:53] <gsuveg> re
[11:53] <gsuveg> squid compiled with #       --enable-delay-pools option ?
[11:53] <sabdfl> jsgotangco: that's a real Riddell
[11:53] <sabdfl> ;-)
[11:54] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[11:54] <dredg> oh dear
[11:54] <Burgundavia> ouch
[11:54] <Burgundavia> my eyes are bleeding
[11:54] <sladen> your haggai'ng a laugh aren't you
[11:55] <Treenaks> Burgundavia: your /eyes/?
[12:08] <ska-fan> The CDs contain only the english language packs, right? Are you planning on doing CDs for other languages, too? So you'd have iso-en, iso-de, iso-ru and so on
[12:08] <pitti> ska-fan: we have quite many packs on the CDs
[12:09] <pitti> ska-fan: the world's most popular at least, and at least i386 and amd64 have all packs
[12:09] <ska-fan> Hmm, and why the question whether I wanted to download language packs at installation?
[12:09] <pitti> ska-fan: not packs, "support"
[12:10] <pitti> ska-fan: support means dictionaries, OO.o and firefox locale packages, etc.
[12:10] <pitti> ska-fan: desktop translations are available nevertheless
[12:10] <pitti> Hi sivang 
[12:11] <sivang> hey pitti 
[12:11] <sivang> pitti: whassup?
[12:11] <pitti> sivang: hoary's out :-)
[12:11] <pitti> sivang: I'm currently at pmount bugfixing
[12:11] <sivang> pitti: yay! I will now dist-upgrade
[12:11] <pitti> will deal with new hal later
[12:12] <sivang> pitti: still giving hot plugging trouble?
[12:12] <ska-fan> Hmm, indeed. All language packs are on the cd. Why that question at installation time?
[12:12] <pitti> sivang: not really, but hal 0.5 has some cool new features
[12:12] <pitti> sivang: like, separating out hardware detection processes
[12:13] <pitti> sivang: so even if the usb process dies, it won't hang the main hald process (#1891)
[12:13] <pitti> sivang: and also beginning support for encrypted devices
[12:13] <thom> pitti: needs dbus 0.3, right? (and i really want hal 0.5 for gnome-power love)
[12:13] <Kamion> ska-fan: language-support-* != language-pack-*
[12:13] <pitti> thom: yeah, -power is interesting, too
[12:13] <Kamion> ska-fan: language-support-* is a big download, so it asks
[12:13] <pitti> thom: and we need newer dbus, right
[12:14] <thom> cool, we can tagteam daniels
[12:14] <ska-fan> Kamion: And what does language-support contain as opposed to language-pack?
[12:14] <pitti> ska-fan: <pitti> ska-fan: support means dictionaries, OO.o and firefox locale packages, etc.
[12:14] <thom> since i need new dbus for network-manager :-)
[12:14] <ska-fan> Ah.
[12:14] <ska-fan> Now I get it :)
[12:14] <pitti> ska-fan: the terminology may be a bit unclear
[12:14] <sivang> pitti: cool!
[12:15] <pitti> sivang: finally we can throw new upstream versions in again to break everything :-)
[12:15] <sabdfl> hno73: we've lost the "mirror" page from the new site!
[12:15] <sivang> hmm nothing to update..gues I Have the released hoary :-)
[12:15] <sabdfl> can we get it back please?
[12:15] <sabdfl> should I do that?
[12:15] <sivang> pitti: yeah!
[12:15] <sabdfl> or is there a plan in place
[12:15] <sivang> pitti: I might through some dbusification hacks upstream with carlos for g-s-t ;-)
[12:16] <pitti> sivang: you mean his privilege separation hacks?
[12:16] <tseng> can we please get rid of that circle-of-lame
[12:16] <tseng> :(
[12:16] <sivang> tseng: circle of lame?
[12:16] <Kamion> I rather like the new circle image
[12:17] <sabdfl> tseng: you want the nekid people back?
[12:18] <sivang> pitti: http://live.gnome.org/SystemToolsBackends
[12:18] <tseng> sabdfl: nah, i am one of those that just doesnt like people in art at all, generally
[12:18] <Kamion> it seems closer to the original stated intent of the Human thing, somehow
[12:18] <sivang> sabdfl: put the nekid people back ! put them back! :-)
[12:18] <Treenaks> Kamion: the logo doesn't match anymore, though 8)
[12:18] <fabbione> sabdfl: is there a local ubuntu mirror here?
[12:18] <sivang> sabdfl: Hello btw :-)
[12:18] <Pizbit> Kamion: Because there's more, it's a brighter image and they're all smiling heaps?:)
[12:18] <Mithrandir> nubuntu.  All nekkid people.
[12:19] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: sounds too much like n00buntu
[12:19] <Mithrandir> nudbuntu, then
[12:19] <jsgotangco> i still have my nekkid people *grin*
[12:19] <Kamion> Pizbit: it's more natural as well, less "here are some models"
[12:20] <Pizbit> Kamion: Yep, not so obviously staged.
[12:20] <broonie> I preferred the one that appeared oon planet :)
[12:20] <jsgotangco> well let's keep the april fools gdm then!
[12:20] <tseng> yes please
[12:20] <pitti> yes, this was really nice
[12:20] <maswan> yes, please keep the april fools gdm
[12:20] <jdub> i'll put it up for download
[12:21] <Mithrandir> pull the april's fools from the morgue?
[12:21] <tseng> april fools helped me realize why he goes by elmo 
[12:21] <jsgotangco> maybe at UDU when can make an uber circle of friends *grin*
[12:21] <broonie> Pizbit: http://www.livejournal.com/users/lifeguardasleep/22249.html
[12:21] <Pizbit> cheers
[12:21] <maswan> jsgotangco: Just create many circles, so you can rotate between different ones. :)
[12:22] <Treenaks> btw, was that picture taken in that "Drunken Chicken" (or whatever it was called) place?
[12:22] <jdub> http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/hoary/AprilFools2005.tar.bz2
[12:22] <dredg> Pizbit: clearly the lhh in the bottom right :)
[12:22] <jdub> plop that into /usr/share/gdm/themes
[12:22] <jsgotangco> haha
[12:22] <jsgotangco> no thanks!
[12:22] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[12:23] <Pizbit> dredg: I was thinking of the guy at the top middle:)
[12:23] <dredg> Pizbit: they're all on channel btw. be nice :)
[12:23] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[12:23] <Treenaks> jdub: you should know that, as you discovered  that place :)
[12:23] <jsgotangco> hehe
[12:23] <dredg> Pizbit: so that guy down the bottom right. man what a hippy ;)
[12:23] <Pizbit> dredg: It's all in the expression:)
[12:23] <jdub> and if anyone disses the green shoe...!
[12:24] <dredg> jdub: that's some dodgy looking shoe
[12:24] <jsgotangco> nice shoes
[12:25] <Pizbit> dredg: Hehe, also the guy with the reddish hair looks like a friend of mine:)
[12:25] <dholbach> hey! how are the celebrations going?
[12:26] <jsgotangco> the wine is almost done
[12:27] <dholbach> :-)
[12:27] <Pizbit> jsgotangco: Sounds like someone didn't order enough?:)
[12:28] <jsgotangco> ask sabdfl for mre
[12:28] <jsgotangco> more
[12:28] <jsgotangco> *hic*
[12:29] <tseng> hi dholbach 
[12:29] <dholbach> hey tseng :-)
[12:31] <jsgotangco> a few hours ago this place was smoking hehe
[12:33] <jsgotangco> Post Hoary Thoughts: Kubuntu was a milestone, Really rad laptop support is just awesome, gnome 2.10
[12:33] <jsgotangco> hmm
[12:33] <jsgotangco> what else
[12:33] <jsgotangco> docteam of course *grin*
[12:33] <jsgotangco> very nice artwork
[12:33] <dholbach> smoking?
[12:33] <dholbach> did anything go wrong?
[12:33] <jsgotangco> no no
[12:35] <Kamion> the slightly-less-craptop hibernates and comes back to life successfully
[12:35] <jsgotangco> everything was fine
[12:35] <Kamion> mjg59: ^- impressive
[12:35] <jsgotangco> right
[12:35] <jsgotangco> hibernate works
[12:35] <sabdfl> docteam, kubuntu, casper
[12:35] <sabdfl> big steps during the hoary cycle
[12:35] <dholbach> hey sabdfl :-)
[12:36] <jsgotangco> sabdfl: docteam needs more solid process though
[12:37] <sabdfl> agreed
[12:37] <sabdfl> but we have the beginnings of a strong non-developer team
[12:39] <jsgotangco> yeah
[12:39] <Kamion> big steps> MOTU
[12:39] <Kamion> previously discussed but unrealised :)
[12:40] <dholbach> MOTU power! WOOHOO! :-)
[12:40] <sabdfl> hallo-motu!
[12:41] <jsgotangco> haha
[12:41] <dholbach> ;-)
[12:42] <dholbach> after some coffee, i'll do my final task... mailing the apt-get.org - guys
[12:42] <dredg> heh, MOTU might as well be dholbach. he's like some sort of relentless machine
[12:42] <dholbach> dredg: i'm blushing :-)
[12:42] <d3vic3> true true 
[12:42] <jdub> dholbach is definitely he-man :-)
[12:43] <mjg59> Kamion: Rock
[12:43] <jsgotangco> who's his orco
[12:43] <dholbach> hahahaha :-)
[12:43] <dredg> dholbach: you singlehandedly killed my mailbox with wiki notification changes to UPL 
[12:43] <mjg59> Though we should really say thanks to Suse - they've done a lot of swsusp work
[12:43] <Kamion> mjg59: (I mean, it takes about five minutes to actually manage to hibernate. BUT STILL.)
[12:43] <jsgotangco> bravo still
[12:43] <Lathiat> hwoever, i just suspend to ram all the time *shrug*
[12:43] <dholbach> dredg: sorry about that
[12:43] <dredg> dholbach: i fear you.
[12:44] <dholbach> jdub: big steps -> MovieOS :-)
[12:44] <jsgotangco> how good is our suspend compared to others?
[12:45] <mjg59> jsgotangco: Our suspend to RAM is massively better than anyone else's
[12:45] <Lathiat> interesting.. with hoary release, if you have a usb drive plugged in during install, it shows up in drivemount cus its in /etc/fstab, but its mounted by gnome-volume-manager on a different mount path so its not used
[12:45] <mjg59> It doesn't work everywhere, though
[12:45] <Lathiat> yeh suspend-to-ram rocks
[12:45] <dredg> dholbach: that wasn't a complaint. 
[12:45] <Lathiat> its almost as good as bernards hibernate script now
[12:45] <dholbach> :-)
[12:45] <Lathiat> (it was a little slow before)
[12:46] <jsgotangco> hmm i usually suspend to disk
[12:46] <mjg59> Lathiat: At the moment, it's rather more resiliant than Bernard's stuff
[12:46] <Lathiat> mjg59:  how so?
[12:46] <mjg59> I must get round to integrating stuff from the two of them
[12:46] <Lathiat> mjg59: (I've never had a problem, so i have no idea)
[12:46] <mjg59> Lathiat: It takes much more care about dealing with network interfaces and unloading modules
[12:47] <Lathiat> one thing with my nvidia i need to turn off all the random options like POSTing the video hardware
[12:47] <mjg59> The paranoia costs it some speed, but makes it work in more places
[12:47] <Lathiat> else my lcd blows up
[12:47] <mjg59> Is that with the nv driver or the nvidia one?
[12:47] <Lathiat> both
[12:47] <Lathiat> it might have changed
[12:47] <Lathiat> i might try it now
[12:47] <Lathiat> (i usually use the binary driver)
[12:47] <Lathiat> im on nv as i just reinstalled
[12:47] <mjg59> There's no good way of making this work everywhere, sadly
[12:47] <Lathiat> if the nv driver didn't have these stupid colordepth issues i'd use it all the time.
[12:48] <fabbione> hey mjg59 
[12:48] <mjg59> Yo fabbione
[12:48] <mjg59> You in the UK now?
[12:48] <fabbione> mjg59: yup
[12:48] <mjg59> Rock
[12:48] <mjg59> I'll see you this evening
[12:49] <fabbione> mjg59: getting ready to release .12rc2
[12:49] <jsgotangco> *yawn*
[12:49] <jsgotangco> im out
[12:49] <fabbione> mjg59: sure..
[12:49] <jsgotangco> congrats guys im outta here
[12:49] <fabbione> mjg59: bring some good crack :)
[12:49] <mjg59> fabbione: Haha
[12:49] <d3vic3> hehehe
[12:50] <dholbach> hey herzi 
[12:51] <Lathiat> Can someone point me the discussion as to why gstreamer0.8-mad is in universe and can't/won't be shipped?
[12:51] <Mithrandir> Lathiat: patent issues.
[12:51] <Burgundavia> Lathiat: mp3 patent crap
[12:51] <Lathiat> Mithrandir: why don't they affect whatever kubuntu is using?
[12:52] <Mithrandir> Lathiat: I don't know; what are they shipping that does MP3?
[12:52] <Lathiat> kaffeine, juk
[12:52] <Mithrandir> they probably should be castrated, then
[12:52] <Burgundavia> lawsuits are all about targets
[12:52] <herzi> hey
[12:52] <Lathiat> Mithrandir: ah, so tahts a mistake?
[12:52] <Burgundavia> if there is no one to sue, then they probably won't be
[12:52] <Mithrandir> Lathiat: I would think so.
[12:52] <Lathiat> Mithrandir: rightio
[12:52] <Mithrandir> Burgundavia: there is this legal entity called "Canonical Limited".
[12:53] <Burgundavia> yes
[12:53] <Lathiat> hope i didn't just cus some issue by mentioning that :)
[12:53] <Burgundavia> that is what I was talking about
[12:53] <Burgundavia> and a man named Mark Shuttleworth
[12:53] <Burgundavia> who they say has a little bit of money
[12:53] <Burgundavia> not much, you know
[12:53] <Lathiat> go the law
[12:55] <Mithrandir> Burgundavia: he's not personally responsible for what ubuntu, kubuntu or canonical does.
[12:55] <seb128> hum
[12:55] <Mithrandir> that's the "limited" part.
[12:55] <Burgundavia> no
[12:55] <seb128> they use libxine
[12:55] <Burgundavia> but he makes a nice target
[12:55] <Lathiat> Mithrandir: yeh but they can be for all sorts of fucked reasos like negligence
[12:55] <Lathiat> at least in australia, so im told
[12:56] <seb128> since when xine is main stuff ?
[12:56] <Mithrandir> Lathiat: we're not an Australian company, so I'm not sure if that applies.  Anyhow, it ought to be fixed.
[12:56] <Mithrandir> seb128: probably since it's used by kubuntu
[12:56] <Lathiat> synaptic is refusing to get http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/b/bison/bison_1.875d-1_i386.deb complaining about a "bad header line" but it works in wget.
[12:56] <Lathiat> Mithrandir: oh i know that, i was just saying here i think it might be
[12:56] <Lathiat> but maybe thats just incorporated associations
[12:56] <Lathiat> i've never delt with running a company
[12:57] <Lathiat> What does apt use to receive files?
[12:57] <jdub> Lathiat: mmm, i was getting that the other day
[12:58] <mvo> Lathiat: it's own http implementation
[12:58] <Lathiat> jdub: i get it *all* the time randomly
[12:58] <Lathiat> it gets annoying, especially during the install and it starts whinging about unauthenticated packages cus it failed to get release.gpg
[12:58] <Lathiat> mvo: oh dear god why :)
[12:59] <dholbach> Lathiat: because it needs to work with nearly no packages installed
[12:59] <Lathiat> dholbach: point.
[12:59] <mvo> Lathiat: try: "apt-get install $pkg -o Debug::Acquire::http=true"
[12:59] <seb128> jdub: any reason to no put totem-xine for main since kubuntu use xine already ?
[12:59] <jdub> seb128: possibly, i think we need to clean it more - i wasn't aware of the change until very late
[01:00] <Lathiat> mvo: it works now :\
[01:00] <Lathiat> and without debug on now
[01:00] <Lathiat> heh
[01:01] <mvo> Lathiat: just use it again when when it comes up next time :)
[01:01] <Lathiat> mvo: :)
[01:01] <Lathiat> it was doign somethign stupid before like
[01:01] <Lathiat> it started to i think print the binary contents of th efile
[01:01] <Lathiat> (in debug mode)
[01:01] <Lathiat> after i removed the partial file it stopped doing that
[01:02] <Lathiat> but the partial file wasn't there until it started doing that
[01:02] <Lathiat> weird
[01:02] <spacey> my upgrade to hoary broke at apache2 php4 module. because /usr/share/doc/php4-common/examples/php.ini didn't exists. I don't know if its because i removed it a while ago or other reason. dunno if its because my specific situation.
[01:02] <mvo> Lathiat: are you behind a proxy?
[01:02] <Lathiat> mvo: nope
[01:03] <dholbach> elmo: good work on the import!
[01:03] <Lathiat> Be nice when the new nvidia drivers go in
[01:04] <Lathiat> as it fixes suspend issues on my laptop
[01:04] <Lathiat> so hopefully others
[01:04] <Mithrandir> hmm, I think nautilus should ignore mounts with a type of "proc" when it decides what to put on the desktop
[01:04] <Lathiat> hmm
[01:05] <Lathiat> the installer created a /media/usb0 of my external drive
[01:05] <Lathiat> but its from /dev/sda
[01:05] <Lathiat> not /dev/sda1
[01:05] <Lathiat> that probably explains why it got automounted by g-v-m instead of that :)
[01:27] <maswan> 500 requests currently being processed, 0 idle workers
[01:27] <maswan> oops.
[01:29] <dholbach> amu: would you update the freshmeat page?
[01:40] <diamond> 'Europe' link on front page of ubuntu.com is a 404
[01:41] <maswan> oh. fsck.
[01:42] <maswan> diamond: thanks, I'll fix it.
[01:42] <diamond> maswan: np
[01:44] <maswan> Kamion: reverting back the se.releases ServerAlias for now
[01:44] <mvirkkil> The screenshot
[01:45] <dilinger> daniels: ping
[01:46] <mvirkkil> The screenshots at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/screenshots/document_view are served in some way that makes firefox download them and ask if you want to save or open with a program. It doesn't show them in the browser.
[01:46] <dholbach> bbl
[01:47] <ska-fan> They're served as text/plain
[01:47] <Pizbit> Oops:)
[01:48] <maswan> diamond: fixed
[01:48] <diamond> maswan: cheers
[01:49] <diamond> maswan: i've poked heanet.ie to update their mirror btw.
[01:52] <dredg> diamond: esat's mirror of archive is current as well
[01:53] <dredg> diamond: mainly cos i switched zefren to the one true way :)
[01:53] <diamond> dredg: aye, but no mirror of relesases tho -(
[01:53] <diamond> dredg: that said, i guess jigdo could manage with that, right?
[01:53] <mdke> who knows about shipit?
[01:54] <pitti> mdke: mako
[01:54] <dredg> diamond: yeah, you could jigdo an iso using ftp.esat
[01:54] <mdke> pitti, heh yeah, but he's not here
[02:11] <dholbach> hey pitti 
[02:11] <pitti> Hi dholbach 
[02:11] <ogra> morning
[02:11] <pitti> Hallo ogra
[02:12] <dholbach> hey ogra 
[02:12] <ogra> :-)
[02:12] <mdke> don't think it can be qualified as morning now
[02:12] <mdke> i guess it was a late night huh
[02:13] <dholbach> mdke: :-)
[02:13] <mdke> you have been to bed right?
[02:14] <dholbach> mdke: yes... shortly after 4 utc :-)
[02:14] <mdke> oh
[02:14] <jdub> mdke: sleep is for the week
[02:14] <dholbach> mdke: you?
[02:14] <mdke> so usual bedtime
[02:14] <mdke> dholbach, i'm fine thanks :) had an exam this morning so didn't sleep much either
[02:14] <mdke> jdub, hi :)
[02:14] <dholbach> jdub: i didnt see you around all the time i was here - i guess YOU were sleeping :-)
[02:15] <jdub> dholbach: oi, i greeted you when you arrived :)
[02:15] <diamond> jdub: rather than 'weak'? i like it -)
[02:16] <dholbach> :-)
[02:17] <dholbach> mdke: how did it go?
[02:17] <ogra> so what are the improvements in breezy, where can i download it ? where are the berrzy backports ?
[02:17] <ogra> :)
[02:18] <dholbach> :-)))
[02:18] <botbot> breezy devel isn't started yet, is it?
[02:18] <jdub> ogra: ha ha ha :)
[02:18] <mdke> lol @ ogra 
[02:18] <Burgundavia> lol
[02:18] <mdke> dholbach, not too bad thanks
[02:19] <dholbach> goooood
[02:19] <mdke> i don't see a german party on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ReleaseParty
[02:19] <mdke> whats going on?
[02:20] <diamond> mdke: lunch? -)
[02:21] <Burgundavia> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=10236
[02:21] <ogra> pitti, http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/58365 I CANT BELIVE IT ! they finally found us worth to recognize us :)
[02:21] <pitti> YAY
[02:21] <Burgundavia> bring on the trolls
[02:21] <dholbach> ogra: but they're rather neutral
[02:21] <jdub> aha, USA is waking up :)
[02:21] <ogra> dholbach, they ignored EVERY post in the past
[02:22] <Burgundavia> quick translation, what does Heise say?
[02:22] <Burgundavia> anything useful?
[02:22] <mdke> do these things not get put on slashdot?
[02:22] <jdub> mdke: it'll turn up
[02:22] <ogra> Burgundavia, they say we have released....
[02:22] <pitti> ogra: reading comments now :-)
[02:22] <jdub> slashdot space out their stories, and most of them are US-based
[02:23] <mdke> hmm
[02:23] <Burgundavia> ogra: ok
[02:23] <ogra> Burgundavia, nothing exciting...
[02:23] <Burgundavia> ogra: thanks
[02:23] <Treenaks> jdub: but it's DEBIAN-BASED.. and MARK SHUTTLEWORTH is backing it
[02:24] <dholbach> Burgundavia: they say "canonical hired some open-source superstarts." ;-)
[02:24] <thom> mark gets the obligatory second space tourist mention in heisse i see
[02:24] <dholbach> superstars :-)
[02:24] <mdke> when??
[02:26] <pitti> ogra: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/foren/go.shtml?read=1&msg_id=7765987&forum_id=76739
[02:26] <pitti> :-)
[02:26] <Mithrandir> dholbach: actually, it says "visible free software developers" (prominent), not superstars. :)
[02:27] <ogra> pitti, Riddel was looking for nice qoutes about kubuntu ;)
[02:27] <dholbach> Mithrandir: you must have misread ;-)
[02:27] <Mithrandir> dholbach: ;)
[02:27] <ogra> Mithrandir, nah, that cant be....there are no promintent devs that are no superstars
[02:28] <dholbach> ping all: for me you're all superstars!
[02:28] <jdub> heh :)
[02:28] <jdub> says he-man holbach :-)
[02:28] <mdke> you too dholbach 
[02:29] <dholbach> :-))))
[02:29] <mdke> its getting a bit mushy in here now
[02:29] <dholbach> now what project could we do as "Ubuntu Allstars"?
[02:30] <jbailey> dholbach: Sober up in time for Monday so we can start the next round? ;)
[02:30] <mdke> oh btw dholbach do you know who deals with seahorse?
[02:30] <dholbach> release a hit-single as well? have a basketball/rugby/volleyball/frozen-bubble dreamteam?
[02:30] <mvirkkil> How about a basketball game in udu. The "Ubuntu Allstars" vs general public
[02:30] <dholbach> jbailey: I am sober! what about you? :-)
[02:31] <pitti> yay, the guys out there _REALLY_ like live CDs for ppc :-)
[02:31] <jdub> rawk :)
[02:31] <jbailey> dholbach: *hic*
[02:31] <dholbach> ;-)
[02:34] <dholbach> mdke: sorry, don't know
[02:34] <botbot> neither the norwegian nor the one in the netherlands is updated
[02:48] <dholbach> 69 packages from apt-get.org made it in
[02:49] <jdub> ahem
[02:49] <jdub> "score"
[02:49] <dholbach> it's the best i could do
[02:49] <dholbach> and elmo of course
[02:50] <jdub> heh
[02:50] <pitti> dholbach: congrats! that's really good
[02:50] <jdub> archive.ubuntu.com has entered bullet-time
[02:50] <pitti> dholbach: better 69 selected and checked packages than a mere dump which consists of utter crack
[02:50] <pitti> *way* better
[02:50] <ogra> yeah
[02:51] <jdub> dholbach: lots of *sane* apt-get.org imports == wunderbar!
[02:51] <ska-fan> How many ubuntu devs are there?
[02:51] <mdke> lol
[02:51] <trygvebw> question: why was the name of 5.10 changed from Grumpy Groadhog to Breezy Badger?
[02:51] <pitti> ska-fan: ~10 full time
[02:51] <pitti> ska-fan: but a lot more from the community
[02:51] <jdub> trygvebw: grumpy's reserved for another crazy project :)
[02:52] <trygvebw> jdub: O_o ... Which one? :P
[02:52] <trygvebw> *which project
[02:52] <Simira> and what about the hogs?
[02:52] <alp> righto. see you all at the london release party
[02:52] <jdub> trygvebw: something totally different, coming soonish
[02:53] <trygvebw> jdub: OK :)
[02:53] <Lathiat> hmm bugger
[02:53] <trygvebw> jdub: Is it Ubuntu related?
[02:53] <Mithrandir> Simira: there are no bugs.
[02:53] <Lathiat> ubuntu calendar didn't put itself in my background list
[02:53] <jdub> trygvebw: of course! :)
[02:53] <Mithrandir> oh, the hogs.
[02:53] <jdub> Lathiat: wait for april, coming soon :)
[02:53] <Simira> Mithrandir: not bugs. hogs
[02:53] <dholbach> :-)
[02:53] <mdke> hmm
[02:53] <ogra> Mithrandir, yup, they eat bugs ;)
[02:53] <Mithrandir> ogra: guess so. :)
[02:53] <Lathiat> jdub: yeh but the annoyance is the current one decided not to put itself in the background list :)
[02:53] <trygvebw> jdub: OK :)
[02:54] <mdke> my wiki subscription folder in evolution stops at wed 18.45
[02:54] <jdub> Lathiat: mmm, had to break old ones to fix an ugly warty bug
[02:54] <Lathiat> jdub: ahh, bugger
[02:54] <Lathiat> jdub: is the new calendar going to have the more orangy background?
[02:54] <desrt> Lathiat; word.
[02:54] <Lathiat> desrt: up?
[02:54] <desrt> heh
[02:55] <desrt> you an ubuntuer?
[02:55] <jdub> Lathiat: they're going to be... quite different :-)
[02:55] <zul> hey
[02:55] <Lathiat> desrt: in what sense?
[02:55] <Lathiat> jdub: ok :)
[02:55] <desrt> a developer
[02:55] <trygvebw> maybe ... grumpy = server :P
[02:55] <Lathiat> desrt: nah
[02:55] <Lathiat> just a user and general person who hangs around and bugs people when my shit doesn't work :)
[02:56] <ogra> trygvebw, we already have a server distro
[02:56] <Lathiat> pondering doing some MOTU
[02:56] <ogra> Lathiat, yay
[02:56] <desrt> what's this motu business?  i was reading about its irc channel on some planet last night
[02:56] <mdke> lol
[02:56] <Lathiat> desrt: "Masters of the Universe" -- looks after the packages in universe (which are imports from debian + some other stuff thats not in main, such as aptgetorg)
[02:56] <dholbach> desrt: the MOTUs make the Ubuntu Universe ROCK - join the party! :-)
[02:56] <ska-fan> wtf doesn't know, what motu is..
[02:57] <Lathiat> ska-fan: desrt, obviously :)
[02:57] <ogra> ska-fan, patches accrepted ;)
[02:57] <ogra> -r
[02:57] <trygvebw> ogra: Oh?
[02:57] <Lathiat> well i just reinstalled my laptop on reiserfs, i wonder how long till i regret it...
[02:57] <desrt> ah
[02:58] <desrt> does this mean that abiword will finally get updated? :)
[02:58] <ogra> trygvebw, type "server" at the install prompt of the cd and it installs a server distro for you ;)
[02:58] <trygvebw> ogra: Thanks, didn't know that :)
[02:58] <Lathiat> desrt: heh heh, how far behind is it?
[02:58] <desrt> 2.2.2
[02:58] <desrt> vs 2.2.7 or so
[02:58] <Lathiat> rightio
[02:58] <Lathiat> whats in debian unstable?
[02:59] <desrt> no idea.
[02:59] <lupusBE> when is Breezy repository going to set up :)
[02:59] <Mithrandir> it's already set up
[02:59] <Lathiat> the release versions need to be randomly +/- 1
[03:00] <Treenaks> lupusBE: when everyone's sober again
[03:00] <Mithrandir> but uploads aren't accepted yet.
[03:00] <Lathiat> otherwise having 4.10, 5.04, 5.10, 6.04, 6.10.. its going to get boring :)
[03:00] <Treenaks> Lathiat: maybe we'll miss a goal
[03:00] <Lathiat> Treenaks: don't say that!
[03:00] <desrt> 4.0/4.1/5.0/5.1 would be neat
[03:00] <Treenaks> Lathiat: or we might make one early..
[03:00] <Lathiat> Treenaks: woo woo!
[03:02] <broonie> Treenaks: That always happens :P
[03:02] <Treenaks> broonie: gnome did it once
[03:02] <Treenaks> broonie: ask jdub
[03:02] <Lathiat> woo just found a feature in firefox tabbed browser prefs - "Load URLs from the clipboard on midle-click"
[03:03] <Lathiat> sucks so bad cus usually you go to paste it, then you select the address to delete it and then it blats over the URL in the clipboard :)
[03:03] <Treenaks> Lathiat: oh, I did that in about:config :)
[03:03] <Lathiat> Treenaks: heh
[03:04] <Lathiat> so with the mp3 patent issues
[03:04] <Lathiat> is it an issue with the specific implementation
[03:04] <Lathiat> or in general?
[03:04] <Treenaks> Lathiat: general, afaik
[03:04] <Lathiat> cus i recall something about it being incompatible with the GPL or something
[03:04] <Lathiat> so like a BSD license would work with one, for example
[03:04] <Lathiat> but i don't remember, or how authoriative that was
[03:05] <Kamion> maswan: what was up with se.releases and ServerAlias
[03:05] <Kamion> ?
[03:05] <jdub> Lathiat: see section 7 of the gpl
[03:06] <Lathiat> jdub: so im right?
[03:06] <maswan> Kamion: If I vhost that with a DocumentRoot like releases, there is no /mirror/ubuntu-releases/ 
[03:06] <Kamion> maswan: oh, I'll fix the download page then
[03:06] <Kamion> maswan: can we coordinate now?
[03:06] <mvo> seb128: mind if I upload a python-vte with the fix in gnomes bts for #169201? (when breezy opens)?
[03:06] <Lathiat> jdub: ah right
[03:07] <maswan> Kamion: Sure, we can do that now.
[03:07] <Lathiat> jdub: im just curiuous if theres some way the situation can be resolved
[03:07] <Lathiat> jdub: because ultimately, having as much multimedia playing out of the box would be good.
[03:07] <Lathiat> at least, in my opinion.
[03:08] <Kamion> maswan: ok, switch over in about one minute?
[03:08] <jdub> Lathiat: fluendo, among others, are working on it
[03:08] <jdub> won't be out of the box on ubuntu (can't be)
[03:08] <Lathiat> jdub: similar to their dvd player project? (any idea where thats going?)
[03:09] <Lathiat> jdub: and why?
[03:09] <Lathiat> because we'd have to pay some kind of license?
[03:09] <seb128> mvo: not at all :) when does breezy open ?
[03:09] <mvo> seb128: I hope soon :P
[03:09] <maswan> Kamion: Sure, I'm doing the fixes to the httpd.conf now
[03:09] <Kamion> maswan: /download/ switched
[03:10] <maswan> the machines are somewhat slow, but I'll get this around shortly. :)
[03:11] <ogra> maswan, hwdb.ubuntu.com runs on a dual pII 233 with 128MB and still copes fine with the submissions....how slow are yours ? ;-P
[03:11] <Mithrandir> ogra: 66MHz power nodes, I think.
[03:11] <ogra> heh, o, so similar...
[03:11] <jdub> Lathiat: can't ship libmad due to GPL section 7; can't ship proprietary mp3 implementation.
[03:11] <maswan> Mithrandir: nope, 4x332MHz ppc 604e
[03:12] <Mithrandir> maswan: oh, ok.  New and shiny?
[03:12] <maswan> Mithrandir: fairly. not very good memory bandwidth on them though. :)
[03:12] <Lathiat> jdub: is it possible for someone to implement a new mp3 library under some other license, such that it would allow shipping?
[03:12] <dredg> hmm
[03:13] <dredg> would it be worthwhile doing away with /etc/debian_version and having an /etc/ubuntu_version?
[03:13] <jdub> Lathiat: you could reimplement, or you could buy libmad and re-release it
[03:13] <pitti> Lathiat: no
[03:13] <Mithrandir> maswan: don't you have a nice and shiny amd64 cluster which could work instead? ;)
[03:13] <pitti> Lathiat: that's a patent issue
[03:13] <jdub> Lathiat: but we still couldn't ship it!
[03:13] <ogra> dredg, lsb-release -a
[03:13] <pitti> Lathiat: the licens of -mad is not the problem, it's GPL(ish)
[03:13] <ogra> dredg, /etc/lsb_release .... (afaik)
[03:14] <Lathiat> jdub: What I don't get, is why I can download it out of universe, but I can't get it on a CD, whats the difference?
[03:14] <maswan> Mithrandir: well, I have a new and shiny cdimage.d.o that we could put to work. :)
[03:14] <jdub> pitti: the license is a problem (see section 7), but it's not the only problem
[03:14] <jdub> Lathiat: semantics
[03:14] <Kamion> maswan: ok, I'm off in a minute; hope you got that switched over, otherwise there are probably others around who can edit that page
[03:14] <maswan> Kamion: Yes, we have that switched over.
[03:15] <pitti> jdub: well, yes, but if there were no patent, the GPL would be valid
[03:15] <jdub> pitti: thus the problem ;)
[03:15] <dredg> ogra: ah, lsb_release -a :) winner, cheers
[03:15] <Kamion> The requested URL /5.04/ was not found on this server.
[03:15] <Kamion> maswan: ^
[03:15] <maswan> yes, I'm lacking a few nodes still, it seems.
[03:16] <Kamion> oh, hm, works now
[03:16] <maswan> it just takes a minute or two to login and to apachectl graceful
[03:16] <ogra> dredg, its also in the deviace manager in the advanced tab of the computer device.....try:  lshal|grep release
[03:17] <pitti> ogra: ah, your toy project :-)
[03:17] <ogra> hehe
[03:18] <ogra> bah, there is still a third not up to date from the hwdb submitters
[03:18] <dredg> ogra: ah, useful
[03:18] <dredg> thanks again
[03:19] <maswan> there, verified that all frontends work.
[03:28] <dholbach> hey tritium 
[03:28] <tritium> hi dholbach :)
[03:29] <dholbach> tritium: don't ask me ;-)
[03:30] <tritium> dholbach, you've worked so hard in the past few days, you must be exhausted
[03:30] <maswan> http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/loadstats/ftp.html <- doing good. :)
[03:31] <dholbach> tritium: i'll just write the mails to the maintainers and be finished for hoary :-)
[03:31] <Lathiat> maswan: damn :)
[03:32] <Lathiat> maswan: is that in mbits or what?
[03:32] <maswan> Lathiat: that's load
[03:32] <maswan> http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/monitordata/index.html.en
[03:32] <maswan> that is the bandwidth graph
[03:32] <Lathiat> maswan: load as in machine load?
[03:32] <maswan> Lathiat: yes
[03:32] <calc> looks like loadx10
[03:32] <Lathiat> haha
[03:32] <Lathiat> nasty
[03:32] <tritium> dholbach, and then the weather will be getting breezy in your neck of the woods?
[03:32] <Lathiat> and bugger me thats alot of traffic :)
[03:33] <dholbach> tritium: then i'll take a nap :-)
[03:33] <calc> well at least for tutankhamon
[03:33] <tritium> dholbach, I think I'll do the same
[03:33] <maswan>   03:33PM   up 28 days,   1:46,  3 users,  load average: 36.48, 38.85, 37.31
[03:33] <Lathiat> i made a local mirror for a few people and am doing 1.5mbit/s or so
[03:33] <Lathiat> thats about as big as it gets :)
[03:33] <maswan> calc: that one had a peak up at 150 or so, but that went down again. :)
[03:34] <trygvebw> Is it possible to download the official Hoary CD-label from somewhere?
[03:34] <calc> are the dvd images not going to be put up?
[03:34] <trygvebw> calc: What do you need dvd images for? Ubuntu Hoary fits on one CD.
[03:34] <maswan> calc: a co-admin noted this nice number: load average: 148.55, 98.12, 59.04
[03:35] <Mithrandir> calc: use torrent for them.
[03:35] <Lathiat> trygvebw: the dvd images have alot more packages
[03:35] <calc> trygvebw: the dvd version is supposed to have all of main on it
[03:35] <calc> Mithrandir: well wrt torrent where is it? ;)
[03:35] <Mithrandir> calc: torrent.u.c
[03:35] <Kamion> calc: I haven't published it quite yet, forgot this morning
[03:35] <trygvebw> ok :)
[03:35] <Lathiat> Kamion: i noticed :)
[03:35] <Lathiat> i was trying to suck a copy down
[03:35] <Mithrandir> at least, I think so.
[03:36] <Kamion> it has all of base/desktop/ship/supported; that used to be all of main, but that changed when Kubuntu appeared
[03:36] <Pizbit> thought too.
[03:36] <Lathiat> Pizbit: it seems to 3*ram
[03:36] <Lathiat> did that for me too
[03:36] <Lathiat> i went back and made it 1GB
[03:36] <Lathiat> i used to have it at 512 which was enough but sometimes its handy with vmware and whatnot
[03:36] <Pizbit> Lathiat: Just a tad excessive methinks, didn't notice until after everything has installed, *shrug* I'll leave it be
[03:36] <Lathiat> between builds and vmware i often give my machine a good run for its money :)
[03:37] <Lathiat> its gonna suck when vmware5 goes out of beta, will actually have to buy a license :)
[03:37] <Lathiat> i wonder how much student pricing is
[03:37] <Kamion> I'm publishing the DVDs now, will take a little bit
[03:37] <Lathiat> hopefully <100usd
[03:37] <Kamion> and will be torrent-only for now, as Mithrandir said
[03:37] <Lathiat> if its more than that they can stick it.
 Is it possible to download the official Hoary CD-label from somewhere?
[03:38] <calc> is 20050407.3 the official release?
[03:38] <Kamion> yes
[03:39] <calc> ok
[03:39] <Kamion> oh, er, yeah. you could grab that. :)
[03:39] <Kamion> forgot about those builds, which is odd considering I'm publishing from them
[03:39] <ogra> Pizbit, you have 512 MB mem ?
[03:39] <Kamion> but would appreciate if the URL wasn't published too widely
[03:40] <Mithrandir> Kamion: chmod o-r the dvd images?
[03:40] <Pizbit> ogra: Yep
[03:40] <Mithrandir> Kamion: or just .htaccess-disallow them
[03:40] <Kamion> Mithrandir: if I do the first the rsync mirror processes won't be able to read them
[03:40] <ogra> Pizbit, hibernate needs 3x mem to write your session to the swap space....so your swap is adjusted for that
[03:40] <Kamion> Mithrandir: if I do the second, well, I could, but what's the point
[03:40] <Kamion> it just creates confusion
[03:40] <Treenaks> ogra: 3x mem??
[03:40] <Mithrandir> Kamion: they won't show up in the listing if the user can't access them
[03:40] <Pizbit> ogra: Ahh.. Doh, I never use hibernate:)
[03:41] <ogra> Treenaks, the safety net....
[03:41] <Kamion> Mithrandir: might as well just not publish them for now
[03:41] <Kamion> surely?
[03:41] <Mithrandir> Kamion: I thought you had to publish them to make sure they didn't disappear?
[03:41] <ogra> Treenaks, it works here with 1,5x mem....but has proven not to do so on many machines
[03:41] <Kamion> I only have to "publish" them
[03:41] <Treenaks> ogra: scary
[03:41] <Kamion> putting them in the torrent.ubuntu.com tree will do perfectly well
[03:42] <Treenaks> Pizbit: just close the lid
[03:42] <Kamion> and I don't want our mirrors trying to download new DVD images at the moment
[03:42] <ogra> Treenaks, yop....but more scary are the systems out there that had not enough swap.....
[03:42] <Pizbit> Treenaks: Hrm, I'd rather not be lifting up my 17" CRT and facing it down every night eh?:)
[03:42] <Mithrandir> Kamion: you're going to get requests from users who will complain that they can't download, 'cause their client isn't LFS-ok.
[03:42] <Treenaks> Pizbit: 8)
[03:43] <wasabi> yay for ubuntu
[03:43] <Kamion> Mithrandir: unlucky; I'm acting under instructions. :-)
[03:43] <wasabi> woh is somebody talking about hibernate?
[03:43] <Mithrandir> Kamion: :)
[03:43] <Pizbit> wasabi: Yep
[03:43] <ogra> wasabi, mjg59 (if he is around)
[03:43] <ogra> ;)
[03:45] <azeem_> congrats, dudes
[03:45] <ogra> Treenaks, http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/nullswap.html
[03:45] <ogra> Treenaks, 10%
[03:45] <Treenaks> nullswap or zeroswap? :)
[03:45] <wasabi> oh wow.
[03:45] <wasabi> as much as it pains me, kubuntu is slick
[03:46] <ogra> Treenaks, no swap mounted
[03:46] <Treenaks> scary
[03:46] <Lathiat> wasabi: yeh its not bad
[03:46] <wasabi> i love the ubuntu artwork.
[03:46] <Lathiat> wasabi: its still messier
[03:46] <wasabi> the logo with gears, and the blue.
[03:46] <ogra> Treenaks, yep...systems without 3x RAM = swap
[03:47] <Mithrandir> only 5MB/sec over two boxes.
[03:49] <ericf> both my girlfriend's system and mine have [netstat]  <defunct> zombie process running. Are we the only ones? Can people here please check?
[03:49] <zul> whoo...release announcement on slashdot
[03:49] <Mithrandir> ericf: it's firefox or something which uses it for collecting entropy
[03:50] <Mithrandir> (most likely)
[03:51] <ericf> Mithrandir: I quit firefox, nothing in 'ps aux' for it anymore. Still the zombie process, however. I'm sorry, but i don't know what collecting entropy is. But should I report this as a bug?
[03:52] <Lathiat> ericf: defunct processes happen, if its messing something up just reboot
[03:52] <Lathiat> its usually not an issue and they can just be left alone
[03:52] <Mithrandir> ericf: what does ps axf show as its parent?
[03:52] <Mithrandir> (in a terminal)
[03:52] <ericf> Ah, it's thunderbird. THat is useful man!
[03:53] <ericf> problem solved... for now. But this is still a bug, right? should I report it?
[03:53] <Mithrandir> I think it's already reported.
[03:53] <kent> Slashdot should have put a note about using bittorrent and not downloading the iso as is :(
[03:53] <ericf> ok, thanks
[03:53] <ericf> kent: that's right.
[03:54] <jbailey> I suspec thtat anyone who knows what to do with a torrent will go looking for it, so it probably won't be all bad.
[03:55] <Lathiat> oh oh the gnome apt frontend is looking slick
[03:55] <mako> jbailey: i suspect it might be kinda bad
[03:55] <Lathiat> as in the debconf stuff
[03:56] <jbailey> mako: Really?  I would've expected people who know about torrent to go looking for it, and people who want ISOs would've found them anyway.
[03:56] <jbailey> mako: I guess there's a higher risk of random clicks from people who didn't really want to download it anyway.
[03:56] <mako> jbailey: this is /. :)
[03:56] <mako> all types
[04:00] <maswan> Mithrandir: 5MB/s? bittorrent?
[04:00] <Mithrandir> maswan: yeah.
[04:00] <mako> ooh, good comment: http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=145437&cid=12175437
[04:00] <maswan> Mithrandir: do you have enough ram for full cache?
[04:00] <mako> " I've been using Ubuntu for a couple of years now..."
[04:00] <Pizbit> lol
[04:00] <Mithrandir> maswan: no :(
[04:00] <Lathiat> mako: haha
[04:00] <mako> damn, he beat me
[04:00] <Mithrandir> maswan: 2GB ram, though, so it's not too bad.
[04:00] <zyga> woah
[04:00] <zyga> ./ links to isos
[04:01] <zyga> they are crazy again...
[04:01] <Pizbit> Yep
[04:01] <Lathiat> perhaps some person here should post the article
[04:01] <Lathiat> or at least post one
[04:01] <Lathiat> with BT links, next time.
[04:01] <zyga> fortunatly someone has posted a link to .torrents too
[04:01] <mako> well, it's not too late to change those links to torrents
[04:02] <maswan> Mithrandir: Well, unless you have insanely fast scsi disks, it might be disk latency that you hit then.
[04:02] <zyga> (you could rename .iso's to .no-slashdot-effect.iso)
[04:02] <Pizbit> hehehe
[04:02] <Treenaks> zyga: add a rewrite rule :)
[04:03] <Mithrandir> maswan: I could split the torrents across the two boxes I'm using; two ISOs should fit in RAM easily enough.  (Dropping the two slowest ones.)
[04:03] <Treenaks> RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} ^http://(www\.)?slashdot.org
[04:03] <zyga> Treenaks: /me has no access there ;] 
[04:03] <Mithrandir> mod_rewrite is wrong.
[04:03] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: mod_rewrite is coolness inc.
[04:04] <zyga> Mithrandir: 90% will get i386
[04:04] <zyga> most will take live cd probably
[04:04] <Mithrandir> zyga: no
[04:04] <zyga> Mithrandir: really?
[04:04] <calc> i noticed the arch usage split on the hwdb site
[04:04] <calc> i386 - 89.1%  amd64 - 8.7%  ppc - 2.3%
[04:04] <zyga> Mithrandir: so what's the percentage?
[04:05] <Mithrandir> {amd64,i386,ppc}{install,live} is {6.8, 15.7 5.2, 5.7 13.0 6.9}
[04:05] <zyga> calc: :-)
[04:05] <Mithrandir> (numbers in GB)
[04:05] <sjmorgan> which package would i report a bug under if i was having problem with the installer network configuration?
[04:05] <ogra_> calc, its very basci currently...
[04:05] <ogra_> calc, if we have the SQL db you will see a _lot_ of hw statistics
[04:05] <calc> ogra_: cool
[04:06] <zyga> is there any place with up-to-date download stats?
[04:06] <jbailey> Hmm, reminds me that I need to file a wishlist bug asking for a backbutton in the hwdb tool.
[04:06] <zyga> some simple grepping of log files even :/
[04:06] <Mithrandir> zyga: http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[04:06] <ogra_> jbailey, i think there is already one....please look first (cant remember)
[04:07] <jbailey> ogra_: There wasn't when I tried it (a week ago or so).
[04:07] <calc> whats up with two different sets of isos?
[04:08] <zyga> kubuntu is pretty popular too
[04:08] <calc> hoary-install isn't 5.04?
[04:08] <ogra_> jbailey, i havent planned it ;) 
[04:08] <ogra_> jbailey, i meant a bug about it
[04:09] <jbailey> ogra_: Ah. ;)
[04:09] <zyga> calc: good question, seems confusing at least
[04:09] <ogra_> calc, ubuntu-5.04 is 5.04 ;)
[04:09] <maswan> Mithrandir: Yeah, do that and then tweak the max uploaders to high numbers. as long as you only serve data from ram, it doesn't hurt (much)
[04:10] <HiddenWolf> lmao. I envision a future where Ubuntu and Kubuntu lead the list on distrowatch. :D
[04:10] <Pizbit> HiddenWolf: Hrm, tomorrow?:)
[04:11] <zyga> ogra_: ?
[04:11] <zyga> ogra_: 5.04 == hoary, right?
[04:11] <Treenaks> zyga: ack
[04:11] <ogra_> zyga, i thougt you talk about the iso name....
[04:12] <zyga> ogra_: that's what I was talking about.. why both names?
[04:12] <calc> hmm in the past month ubuntu has 2x the hits as 2nd place
[04:12] <ogra_> not bots
[04:12] <ogra_> both
[04:12] <HiddenWolf> calc, cute, isn't it
[04:12] <Kamion> c'mon, btmakemetafile, get a move on so I can mirror up the DVD torrents and go to the party
[04:12] <ogra_> zyga,  ubuntu-5.04 is hoary 
[04:12] <calc> HiddenWolf: yea :)
[04:12] <Kamion> calc: "two different sets"?
[04:13] <Kamion> calc: the automatic daily builds are hoary-*
[04:13] <Kamion> calc: the releases are ubuntu-5.04-*
[04:13] <calc> Kamion: ah ok
[04:13] <Kamion> if that's what you mean
[04:13] <zyga> ogra_: I know but the torrent stats page lists two set of iso
[04:13] <calc> yea
[04:13] <fabbione> hey Kamion 
[04:13] <zyga> Kamion: ah :-)
[04:13] <Kamion> zyga: that'll be dailies
[04:16] <mako> i like how the slashdot article put ubuntu in the kde in category for kubuntu, but not in the gnome category
[04:16] <Pizbit> heh
[04:17] <jbailey> mako: Perhaps they'd be less confused if it were called 'gubuntu'? ;)
[04:17] <sabdf1> maswan: ping
[04:17] <Mithrandir> maswan: didn't really change anything, but the torrents will take a little while to pick up.
[04:17] <maswan> sabdf1: pong
[04:17] <sabdf1> maswan: thanks for helping shoulder the load!
[04:18] <sabdf1> the setup for rsync and ftp doesn't look right though, and other mirrors who are set to rsync from releases.ubuntu.com are having problems
[04:18] <sabdf1> is it possible to fix those?
[04:19] <maswan> sabdf1: Ah, yeah, I'll take a look on how it should look.
[04:19] <sabdf1> maswan: elmo's got details
[04:19] <maswan> sabdf1: Thanks for giving us some load, it's fun. :)
[04:19] <sabdf1>  "some" :-)
[04:21] <dholbach> sabdf1: first reply back on my apt-get.org mailing :-)
[04:22] <sabdf1> dholbach: positive?
[04:22] <dholbach> sabdf1: yes :-)
[04:22] <dholbach> sabdf1: i'll wait a week and them mail you and mako a summary
[04:22] <Lathiat> maswan: is your capacity being flatlined now? seems to have levelled off.
[04:23] <mako> with the way i'm commenting on slashdot, i feel like bruce perens
[04:23] <azeem_> mako is pulling a Bruce
[04:23] <ogra_> heh
[04:24] <Kamion> let's hope not
[04:24] <sabdf1> speaking of... did the userlinux packages make it into hoary?
[04:24] <maswan> Lathiat: yeah, this is about as fast as the ftp cluster goes. We hope to add a few more disks to spread the load there, it seems like it is disk bandwidth that is the current bottleneck
[04:24] <Lathiat> maswan: yeh, need some extra ram to cache the current busy files :)
[04:24] <sabdf1> maswan: we are going offline for 5-10 minutes, will be back with an extra 500 mbit/s
[04:25] <azeem_> oh, they changed the ISO links to torrents on /.
[04:25] <maswan> sabdf1: Ok, how are you handling the load? :)
[04:25] <dholbach> sabdf1: userlinux? 
[04:25] <Lathiat> sabdf1: What you changing?
[04:25] <ogra_> sabdf1, if MOTU had known about userlinux, dholbach would have transitioned them....
[04:26] <mako> azeem_: :'-(
[04:26] <Kamion> Lathiat: unforeseen ISP issue, being fixed
[04:26] <Lathiat> Kamion: rightio
[04:27] <Mithrandir> hmm, didn't even help much to stop the buildd on this box. :/
[04:27] <sabdf1> maswan: cockup at our isp, they are bottlenecked upstream of us and need to take us down to fix it
[04:27] <maswan> sabdf1: ah
[04:27] <Lathiat> Mithrandir: perhaps theres just not enough poeple who want stuff :)
[04:27] <dholbach> sabdf1: second positive reply
[04:28] <sabdf1> dholbach: the userlinux metapackages, lets people take the userlinux package selection using ubuntu packages
[04:28] <Mithrandir> Lathiat: there's people wanting i386 isos, I'm sure.
[04:28] <dholbach> mako: you're going to meet Jaldhar H. Vyas today?
[04:28] <dholbach> sabdf1: didnt hear about it yet *blush*
[04:28] <maswan> sabdf1: there, rsync fixed
[04:28] <Lathiat> maswan: What link do you have out?
[04:29] <maswan> Lathiat: from the university? 2.5Gbit, possibly 2x2.5Gbit depending on if the ring is bi-directional. :)
[04:29] <Mithrandir> maswan: it is
[04:29] <maswan> Lathiat: from the computer club? Probably just 1 GigE
[04:29] <Mithrandir> maswan: at least according to the presentation during NUCCC.
[04:29] <Lathiat> maswan: funk
[04:29] <Lathiat> maswan: the unis here are depressing
[04:29] <Lathiat> the IT courses are such a joke
[04:29] <maswan> Mithrandir: http://www.nordu.net/stat-q/plot-all/ndn-sunet1,2005-04-08,raw,traffic-kbit
[04:29] <maswan> Mithrandir: well, yeah, if the campus routers are setup to handle that though, I don't know. :)
[04:30] <Mithrandir> maswan: it should be part of the failover setup
[04:30] <maswan> Mithrandir: We managed to put a bit of a hump on the sunet primary uplink, starting at about 10. :)
[04:30] <mako> dholbach: i doubt it
[04:30] <maswan> Mithrandir: Yeah, but if it is fail-over or loadbalancing matters when it comes to how much I can push out. :)
[04:30] <mako> dholbach: he has two kids in lives in jersey.. i haven't heard that he would show up but it's possible
[04:30] <dholbach> mako: hrm... he said so :-)
[04:30] <mako> dholbach: oh, ok, then i will!
[04:30] <Mithrandir> maswan: I saw it.  Nice.
[04:31] <mako> dholbach: he usually does come to debian-nyc/ubuntu-nyc events
[04:31] <mako> dholbach: usually, ususally DOESNT come
[04:31] <maswan> Mithrandir: Actually, we only have one gigE to the brick, and that one is more or less full. 938Mbit/s peak.
[04:31] <dredg> best /. comment ever
[04:31] <dredg>  Actually, Ubuntu was actually a scheme by the Gentoo user community to get rid of the fanboys. We figured that if we could create a distro that had an even more obscure name than Gentoo, all of the fanboys would flock to it so that they could stay l33t. It seems to have worked perfectly
[04:32] <Lathiat> haha
[04:33] <Kamion> sabdf1: if you could let me know when it's back, that'd be good - I need to sync DVD .torrents and some Kubuntu .jigdo fixes out to mirrors, but don't want to do that until the interruption's finished
[04:35] <dholbach> sabdf1: 3rd positive reply :-)
[04:38] <Mithrandir> maswan: we can stress-test ravel. :P
[04:41] <mako> dholbach: great, i'll talk to jaldar about that later for sure
[04:41] <dholbach> woohoo!
[04:46] <HiddenWolf> Lazy devs, no talk about programming at all in -devel
[04:46] <HiddenWolf> :P
[04:48] <sabdf1> dholbach: v cool!
[04:48] <pitti> HiddenWolf:     if( regcomp( &re, "^[[:space:] ] *([a-zA-Z0-9/_+\\-\\.] +)[[:space:] ] *(#.*)?$", REG_EXTENDED ) ) {
[04:48] <pitti> HiddenWolf: ^ that better? :-)
[04:48] <jbailey> HiddenWolf: There's that small problem of not being able to use our wiki at the moment... ;)
[04:49] <pitti> HiddenWolf: new pmount code, btw
[04:49] <diamond> lo folks
[04:49] <diamond> who should i be talking to about mirrors/
[04:49] <HiddenWolf> pitti, I feel refreshed, thanks. :)
[04:50] <pitti> HiddenWolf: I know, regular expressions are so delightful to read :-P
[04:50] <HiddenWolf> pitti, does it come with a dictionary? 
[04:50] <pitti> HiddenWolf: I add a /etc/pmount.allow now 
[04:50] <pitti> HiddenWolf: this was requested by a couple of people
[04:50] <pitti> HiddenWolf: a whitelist of additionally allowed devices
[04:51] <Lathiat> ouch, archive.ubuntu.com is looking a bit sick
[04:51] <pitti> slashdotted?
[04:51] <Lathiat> oh wait
[04:51] <Lathiat> sabdf1 mentioned something about unscrewing their isp connection
[04:51] <Lathiat> might work better after that :)
[04:53] <maswan> Mithrandir: I have a better dual opteron for that, it has 2.2GHz cpus. :)
[04:53] <mako> slashdot made a strategic edit :)
[04:54] <Mithrandir> I think my coworkers would kill me if I ran bt on our dual opteron servers.
[04:54] <mako> alright.. i'm jumping on these torrents
[04:54] <maswan> Mithrandir: heh. I'm going to set this up and offer it as a temporary se.releases :)
[04:54] <maswan> or something like that
[04:55] <diamond> maswan: are you interested in having heanet as ie.releases? i've been talking to the mirror team there, and they're up for it
[04:55] <diamond> maswan: they'd be an excellent addition, they run a really top-notch ftp site, handling ~80% of sourceforge downloads, etc.
[04:57] <maswan> diamond: I think it sounds like a good idea, but you'll probably have to clear it by those properly involved like elmo. Chances are that they are rather busy right now though.
[04:57] <diamond> maswan: understood.
[04:57] <diamond> maswan: i'll just mail elmo, let him deal with it when he gets time.
[04:58] <maswan> Hmm.. That machine didn't seem to come up properly, I guess I'll have to go down and beat it.
[04:59] <maswan> Mithrandir: unfortunately it only has a rather slow IDE disk, but I was figuring that with 8 gigs of ram, it won't have to hit disk too often. :)
[04:59] <Mithrandir> maswan :)
[05:00] <HiddenWolf> slashdotted alright
[05:01] <HiddenWolf> At least they are now linking to the torrents
[05:02] <HiddenWolf> pdate: 04/08 14:21 GMT by Z: Made the direct ISO links torrents.
[05:02] <HiddenWolf> that's supposed to say Update
[05:04] <GheRivero> res
[05:05] <calc> about to break 1TiB on torrents
[05:05] <maswan> Hmm.. We don't need an ftpd, right?
[05:06] <Pizbit> calc: And that's just the torrents you know about.
[05:06] <calc> Pizbit: yea
[05:06] <calc> the ones listed off t.u.c
[05:07] <thom> maswan: ftp is for losers anyway
[05:09] <Kamion> what's the ISP status?
[05:11] <elmo> they still haven't done their "testing"
[05:13] <Kamion> meh
[05:13] <Kamion> does anyone particularly care if the DVD torrents don't go up until tomorrow or much later today?
[05:13] <Pizbit> elmo: Probably don't want all their BW whored:)
[05:14] <Mithrandir> Kamion: go partying.
[05:14] <Mithrandir> Kamion: (so, probably not)
[05:15] <jdub> Kamion: gotta put them up so slashdot can direct link them :-)
[05:16] <fabbione> jdub: bad boy
[05:16] <Kamion> jdub: not putting the ISOs up for a while anyway
[05:17] <jdub> we should not rest until the "level 3 puddle of molten metal and plastic" is a tourist destination
[05:18] <fabbione> i think jdub forgot to take his pill this morning
[05:20] <diamond> as has probably been done repeatedly today already, i'd like to congratulate everyone here on a successful and excellent release. great job guys.
[05:20] <pitti> thanks :-)
[05:20] <jbailey> fabbione: jdub's on the pill?
[05:21] <fabbione> jbailey: yeah....
[05:21] <HiddenWolf> jbaily, think of lots of little jdubs, you'll see why
[05:25] <dilinger> heh
[05:25] <dilinger> "just watch a few episodes of Rocko's Modern Life.  everything you need to know about australia.."
[05:27] <jbailey> g'morning Jerry. =)
[05:27] <wasabi> morning.
[05:29] <Tyo> Web Reseller and Hosting Ads  http://www.resellerads.com
[05:30] <dholbach> sabdf1: 7th positive reply - i won't do anything else but answering mails all day :-)
[05:31] <nullaresnata> Hello, does anyone nows how to configure the console keyboard to use the dead tilde?
[05:32] <nullaresnata> I'm not getting it to work. In the installer, under the test keyboard section it didn't work either.
[05:32] <mvo> dholbach: all positive so far? nice!
[05:32] <dholbach> mvo: YES :-)
[05:32] <lamont> g'morning
[05:33] <pitti> Hi lamont
[05:33] <pincushion> p1nhead: give it to me, yeah :-)
[05:34] <ogra> morning lamont 
[05:35] <mvo> morning lamont 
[05:39] <lamont> no dvd torrents?
[05:39] <lamont> or am I just confused
[05:39] <Mithrandir> lamont: not yet.
[05:40] <Lathiat> lamont: might be port 6969 i forget which
[05:40] <mdz> good morning, hedgehogs!
[05:40] <dholbach> hey mdz 
[05:40] <lamont> mdz: morning badger
[05:40] <jsgotangco> im a badger wanna be now
[05:40] <Lathiat> mdz: the array? :)
[05:40] <Lathiat> jsgotangco: haha
[05:40] <mvo> morning mdz 
[05:41] <pitti> Hi mdz
[05:41] <pitti> mdz: congrats again :-)
[05:41] <Mithrandir> *bounce*
[05:41] <Simira> *blinks*
[05:42] <ogra> YEAH mdz
[05:42] <doko> nice!
[05:42] <mdz> 20mbits outbound on the torrent
[05:42] <trulux> :O
[05:43] <HiddenWolf> mdz, wow
[05:43] <jsgotangco> weve been slashdotted *grin* the main site is so slow on my side
[05:43] <mdz> hey, slashdot published it! hehe
[05:43] <smurfix> mdz: *grin*
[05:43] <pitti> mdz: yeah, and heise.de too
[05:43] <pitti> finally...
[05:43] <mako> mdz: well, they originally published links TO THE ISOs
[05:43] <jsgotangco> Yes, Mr. CEO, we're going with Hoary Hedgehog (Score:4, Funny) 
[05:43] <mdz> mako: yeah, on *our mirror* I'm sure
[05:43] <mako> of course!
[05:43] <mako> after about 2 hours, they changed it
[05:44] <maswan> mdz: actually not, us.releases and se.releases
[05:45] <doko> pitti: just reading heise forum, trolls only ...
[05:46] <smurfix> lwn too. They couldn't possibly have written much less, though
[05:46] <mako> maswan: is that true? weird?
[05:46] <mako> one from each?
[05:46] <mako> the torrents are slow today
[05:47] <maswan> mako: Yeah. The install was to us and the live was to se. For i386. "the rest" pointed to download/
[05:47] <Lathiat> already done 1.2TB on them apparently
[05:47] <Lathiat> crazy
[05:47] <Lathiat> at a guess thats about what acc have done, 4 horus of 75M*60*60
[05:48] <mako> they're very slow on my end.. usually i can get an ISO in 5-10 minutes
[05:48] <Mithrandir> only 1.2TB?  That's not much.
[05:48] <Lathiat> Mithrandir: well its only been a few hours...
[05:48] <Mithrandir> Lathiat: six.
[05:48] <Mithrandir> or rather, close to eight
[05:48] <Mithrandir> I've pushed somewhere in the range of a 100GB out from here.
[05:48] <Lathiat> more like 2TB from the acc mirror then
[05:48] <calc> mako: the amd64 torrent was over 100KB/s for me
[05:48] <mako> calc: i was getting 3MB/sec but only for a couple minutes
[05:49] <Lathiat> iso takes 3.5 hours!
[05:49] <Lathiat> yeh, looks like ~2TB
[05:49] <jsgotangco> *evil laugh*
[05:50] <Mithrandir> calc: I'm pushing all I can in your direction. Swallow! :P
[05:50] <calc> heh
[05:50] <calc> i have a puny 1000/128 cable connection
[05:51] <Lathiat> calc: i have 512/256
[05:51] <Lathiat> so i guess its half worse down and twice as good up :)
[05:51] <Lathiat> Mithrandir: this isn't at home right?
[05:51] <calc> Lathiat: yep
[05:51] <Lathiat> Mithrandir: if your pushing 7M/s from home im going to cry
[05:51] <mako> Mithrandir: on a torrent?
[05:51] <Mithrandir> Lathiat: university connection.
[05:51] <Mithrandir> mako: yes.
[05:51] <jsgotangco> yep, Mithrandir was godlinke link
[05:52] <Mithrandir> two boxes, one on 100Mbit, one on gbit.
[05:52] <Mithrandir> but it's clearly not the bandwidth which is the problem, it's either the demand or the disks
[05:52] <maswan> Mithrandir: I'm going to add just torrents on cdimage.d.o, tryign to set up a work box on a different gigE uplink currently. :)
[05:52] <Lathiat> Mithrandir: ah, thats ok then
[05:52] <Lathiat> unis are so crap here
[05:52] <Lathiat> i pay 4c/MB
[05:53] <Mithrandir> .st, where's that?
[05:53] <Lathiat> so i can't even upload stuff cus the backtraffic screws me
[05:53] <Lathiat> Mithrandir: bur.st is actually in australia, but .st = sao tome, some island somewhere iirc
[05:53] <Mithrandir> oh, ok.
[05:53] <Lathiat> bur.st - burst, its a joke :)
[05:53] <Lathiat> http://www.bur.st/
[05:53] <Mithrandir> .au is said to have shitty bandwidth.  Must suck.
[05:53] <maswan> Mithrandir: I just have to get the stuff mirrored, acc is rather slow right now. :)
[05:53] <jsgotangco> heh nice
[05:53] <Mithrandir> heh.
[05:53] <Lathiat> Mithrandir: yuh, it sucks
[05:53] <Mithrandir> maswan: use bittorrent? :)
[05:54] <maswan> Mithrandir: people keep saying that it won't keep >3M/s
[05:54] <Mithrandir> maswan: I'm pushing 4MB/sec on one of mine.  More when there's demand.
[05:55] <smurfix> On my server it's the RAM. If I try to serve all six torrents my load goes through the roof, it wants all of them in memory.
[05:55] <Lathiat> smurfix: yeh course, it goes through the roof cus everything is iowaiting :)
[05:55] <mako> bittornado improved perofrmance on my end
[05:55] <Lathiat> having iowait in the gnome system monitor is great
[05:56] <ska-fan> Is that an ubuntu patch, or is it upstream?
[05:56] <Lathiat> or more to the point, in the panel applet
[05:56] <Lathiat> i'm fairly sure its upstream but i don't know
[06:01] <dholbach> i'm out... see you later guys - and have fun at the parties!
[06:01] <Mithrandir> you too
[06:01] <ogra> yeah
[06:01] <dholbach> thanks :-)
[06:03] <Lathiat> i386, no source
[06:03] <calc> under 10GB (i think)
[06:04] <lamont> Lathiat: kde made it larger, but it's not all that big.
[06:04] <calc> Lathiat: do you mean just "main" or all of i386 without source?
[06:05] <Lathiat> calc: just main
[06:05] <calc> Lathiat: ah just main is small, probably whats on the dvd image so 2-2.5gb
[06:05] <Lathiat> hmm 
[06:05] <Lathiat> how bigs all of universe for 1 arch no source :)
[06:05] <calc> that was what the 10gb guess was for
[06:05] <lamont> calc: dvdimage is supported, not main
[06:05] <lamont> and ubuntu-supported != kubuntu-supported
[06:06] <calc> lamont: oh
[06:06] <calc> lamont: i thought all of main was considered supported
[06:06] <Lathiat> as did i
[06:06] <lamont> ISTR hearing 70GB for the whole 9 yards... split it 4 ways, and you're still under 20GB
[06:06] <Mithrandir> just main (i386), no binaries is ~ 1.3GB
[06:06] <lamont> calc: yeah
[06:06] <lamont> main == ubuntu-supported | kubuntu-supported
[06:07] <mdz> elmo: us.releases doesn't seem to be carrying (or at least exposing) /kubuntu
[06:07] <lamont> Mithrandir: no source, you mean?
[06:07] <Mithrandir> lamont: that's sans source, yes.
[06:07] <calc> lamont: ok
[06:07] <Mithrandir> lamont: hoary + warty is 50GB, I think?
[06:07] <lamont> Mithrandir: quite likely
[06:07] <Mithrandir> all arches + source.
[06:07] <Lathiat> is kde stuff in its own section?
[06:08] <Lathiat> just trying to figure out how i can debmirror without pulling useless crap :)
[06:08] <lamont> Lathiat: sections?  the pool/ layout doesn't do sections
[06:08] <Lathiat> lamont: debmirror reads the packages file
[06:09] <lamont> Lathiat: yeah.  I use a rather crufty home-brew bastardization to mirror only the packages I want (and their dependencies).... It needs a major refactoring shortly
[06:09] <Lathiat> debmirror seems to work well...
[06:09] <Lathiat> and it can use rsync which rocks
[06:09] <Lathiat> due to my bandwidth lackage :)
[06:13] <Mithrandir> I just _loved_ both the misclassification and content of this slashdot comment:
[06:13] <Mithrandir> Re:Whacked names (Score:5, Informative)
[06:13] <Mithrandir> Hoary Hedgehogs are common in South Africa and businesspeople relate very well to them. As well as the elephants and lions on the street corners and the aardvarks and jakkalse. Of course, if it was called Sprinkbok, life would be much better....
[06:15] <HiddenWolf> Ugh, Afrikaans is so weird if you're Dutch. :)
[06:18] <Mithrandir> maswan: I wonder how long it'll go on for..
[06:21] <Lathiat> 2.5GB apparently
[06:21] <Mithrandir> whow, the kubuntu people found a meaning for kubuntu
[06:22] <jsgotangco> i thought kubuntu was a real word
[06:22] <Mithrandir> it is
[06:22] <maswan> Mithrandir: what, and which language?
[06:22] <Mithrandir> maswan: It means "towards humanity" in Bemba.
[06:22] <Mithrandir> (from the faq)
[06:22] <maswan> ah
[06:22] <jsgotangco> hehe
[06:22] <Lathiat> and with universe
[06:22] <Lathiat> its 10GB
[06:22] <Lathiat> Mithrandir: ahah
[06:22] <jsgotangco> but most people will say its just word play
[06:22] <Mithrandir> so I guess it's a step on the way to ubuntu with gnome.
[06:22] <Lathiat> i think i might mirror the lot
[06:22] <Mithrandir> jsgotangco: yeah
[06:23] <jsgotangco> i love the circle of dragons though
[06:23] <jsgotangco> they should keep that
[06:23] <jsgotangco> its cute
[06:23] <Mithrandir> yeah, it is
[06:35] <Lathiat> 2 and a bit days to mirror all of main and universe 
[06:35] <Lathiat> mmm
[06:35] <Lathiat> shold goto uni tomorrow and do it at 100mbit :)
[06:36] <dle--> Hello.  I'm wondering what key was used to sign today's MD5SUMS.gpg files?
[06:36] <Lathiat> pub  1024D/437D05B5 2004-09-12 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[06:37] <dle--> Lathiat: Thanks! :)
[06:45] <cartman> breezy is up yet?
[06:45] <jsgotangco> savor the hoary moment :)
[06:46] <cartman> I am getting ready for tomorrow ;)
[06:47] <jsgotangco> tommorow can wait :)
[07:03] <Lathiat> sabdfl: you guys fixed your connetion yet?
[07:03] <Lathiat> sabdfl: archive.ubuntu.com is giving me like 8K/s :\
[07:03] <sabdfl> Lathiat: no, still stuck i'm afraid, lots of engineers scrambling
[07:03] <Lathiat> sabdfl: bugger
[07:04] <sabdfl> Lathiat: torrent
[07:04] <Lathiat> sabdfl: can't torrent the packages database :)
[07:04] <Lathiat> local mirror is probably in sync now anyway
[07:04] <Treenaks> apt-torrent...
[07:04] <Treenaks> that'd rock
[07:04] <Lathiat> no it wouldn't
[07:04] <Lathiat> itd be slow :)
[07:04] <sabdfl> even the mirrors are struggling at the moment
[07:04] <diamond> Lathiat: it would rock slowly -)
[07:04] <Lathiat> sabdfl: i know :)
[07:04] <Lathiat> but the local one wont be
[07:04] <Treenaks> sabdfl: that means ubuntu is popular, right? :)
[07:04] <Lathiat> as its not an official one
[07:05] <maswan> we've sent out about 2.5TB of ubuntu love the last 9-10 hours :)
[07:05] <Lathiat> maswan: i noticed :)
[07:05] <Lathiat> the torrents have one about 1.5TB too
[07:05] <Lathiat> maswan: your cluster needs upgrading obviously :)
[07:06] <maswan> Lathiat: I'm working on a temporary server to handle part of the load. :)
[07:06] <Lathiat> maswan: haha yay :)
[07:06] <Lathiat> maswan: by the time you get it the load will be gone? :)
[07:06] <maswan> Lathiat: good question, we'll see?
[07:06] <Lathiat> ah this is better, 54K/s
[07:07] <Lathiat> not 3 :)
[07:07] <Lathiat> poor archive servers
[07:09] <mdz> Mithrandir: any idea what this is referring to?  http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=145437&threshold=1&commentsort=0&tid=162&tid=121&tid=106&mode=thread&cid=12176621
[07:10] <mdz> Lathiat: why are you not using a mirror?
[07:11] <mdz> Lathiat: <country code>.archive.ubuntu.com
[07:11] <Treenaks> mdz: probably localhost being UTF-8, while remotehost is not
[07:11] <Treenaks> mdz: the solution for this person is to upgrade remotehost to utf-8
[07:11] <mdz> Treenaks: or use legacy locales on the local system
[07:11] <Treenaks> mdz: (have that here in .nl as well, but to a lesser degree)
[07:11] <Lathiat> archive.ubuntu.com has address 82.211.81.151
[07:11] <Lathiat> archive.ubuntu.com has address 82.211.81.138
[07:11] <Lathiat> au.archive.ubuntu.com has address 82.211.81.138
[07:11] <Lathiat> au.archive.ubuntu.com has address 82.211.81.151
[07:11] <Lathiat> mdz: i was.
[07:12] <Treenaks> mdz: yes, but only sometimes.. because some remote hosts might be UTF-8
[07:12] <Treenaks> mdz: mixed environments suck..
[07:12] <mdz> Lathiat: hmm, we've been working on getting au.archive going, but apparently it's not there yet
[07:12] <Lathiat> mdz: are they run by you guys or you get a third party?
[07:13] <mdz> Lathiat: us.archive might be faster than the uk mirror
[07:13] <Lathiat> mdz: uwa might be interested for example
[07:13] <Lathiat> mdz: they already mirror it (its what im using now)
[07:13] <mdz> Lathiat: third parties...my understanding is that there are already people interested in running mirrors in .au, it just hasn't been completely set up yet
[07:13] <Lathiat> mdz: ah right
[07:16] <zenwhen> Are all you devs asleep now?
[07:16] <zenwhen> XD
[07:16] <mdz> no
[07:16] <mdz> mvo is playing hockey
[07:16] <zenwhen> oh you should be
[07:16] <zenwhen> :(
[07:17] <ska-fan> I found "It's interesting that Ubuntu, a binary distro based on slow old Debian, has Gnome stable on 2.10.1, while we bleeding-edge Gentoo users are still on 2.8...." pretty amusing ..
[07:18] <Pizbit> hehe
[07:18] <ogra> heavily busy..
[07:18] <Lathiat> ogra: hehe how much taffic is it doing :)
[07:18] <stratus> ogra, hah isn't it good?
[07:18] <Lathiat> or how many submissions a minute
[07:19] <ogra> about 1 minute average time between submissions....
[07:19] <stratus> ogra, i submitted a report from a ibm netvista yesterday. Do you know how/when the information will be published ?
[07:19] <stratus> wow
[07:19] <ogra> stratus, it already is
[07:19] <Lathiat> ogra: oh, is that all :)
[07:19] <ogra> stratus, open your client a second time ;)
[07:20] <stratus> ogra, i'm not too much into ubuntu atm.
[07:20] <Lathiat> ogra: ooh, thats new
[07:20] <ogra> Lathiat, but its rised the last hour....
[07:20] <Lathiat> i've submitted mine a few times
[07:20] <stratus> ogra, hmm i'll check after with the web developers here, i use debian.
[07:20] <ogra> stratus, it offers you a button to get to your info
[07:21] <ogra> stratus, but beware, submissions from debian systems dont work...
[07:21] <Treenaks> why does my hwdb-client window disappear when I open my browser?
[07:21] <Treenaks> I don't like losing windows
[07:21] <stratus> ogra, i know of course.
[07:21] <ogra> Treenaks, because it has done its job :-P
[07:21] <stratus> ogra, i'm not a newbie. I was asking about general hardware compatibility information through a web page.
[07:22] <stratus> Treenaks, don't you like losing windows? hmm, sounds interesting...
[07:22] <ogra> stratus, wait for the SQL server...i'll start next week...
[07:22] <Treenaks> ogra: no, I wanted to open that browser and continue using that program (to copy/paste my computer id)
[07:22] <Treenaks> stratus: I don't mind losing Windows, but I hate losing windows
[07:22] <stratus> ogra, sounds great keep the good work.
[07:22] <ogra> Treenaks, sorry, its stable.... no changes the next 6 months
[07:22] <Treenaks> ogra: oh yes... breezy changes
[07:22] <Treenaks> :)
[07:22] <ogra> stratus, i will, thanks ;)
[07:22] <ska-fan> ogra: what's the software basis for hwdb? On the server?
[07:22] <ogra> apache
[07:22] <ogra> python 
[07:23] <ogra> ls and grep
[07:23] <ska-fan> storage? text files?
[07:23] <ogra> currently textfiles, but eventually a SQL db.....(postgres is planned)
[07:23] <Treenaks> ogra: I hope you're going to import that somewhere :)
[07:23] <stratus> ogra, do you think that will be much harder port your code to use in Debian systems? We've discussed about a debian hwdb at debconf4 but i didn't see to much progress on this topic.
[07:23] <sladen> ogra: the HWDB page will load a /bit/ quicker if you change the HTML code to stop fetching the CSS over HTTPS... https://www.ubuntulinux.org/plone.css
[07:24] <ogra> sladen, argh, thanks....
[07:24] <sladen> ogra: in about half a dozen places
[07:24] <ogra> sladen, (in fact its a copy and paste of the plone head) *g*
[07:24] <ska-fan> Why is the null swap thing so interesting?
[07:25] <ogra> ska-fan, because its 10% 
[07:25] <ogra> ska-fan, and a lot of these are 128-256 MB machines where no swap hurts
[07:25] <Treenaks> c7bbcdc2dbcf0eec5ce714b27a3438d0 \o/
[07:26] <ska-fan> Yeah, but are you going to tell them, hey, set up some swap space? I mean, why the statistics?
[07:26] <Treenaks> ogra: My non-professional opinion is that those people do manual partitioning, people forgetting to set up swap that way
[07:26] <Treenaks> ogra: or have no clue on how to do that
[07:27] <ogra> Treenaks, nope, we had a bug in the hibernate code that roke the swap...and i still thik we should give people a hint to enable it again...
[07:27] <Treenaks> ogra: aha
[07:27] <ska-fan> Ah.
[07:27] <ogra> in fact i already recieved some "thank you i didnt know that" mails
[07:28] <sladen> could just forcefully run 'mkswap' on every boot.  This would also get rid of stale hibernations
[07:28] <rcaskey> I set up my laptop without swap because I had plenty of ram but then suspend got fixed (mostly) and no dice ;)
[07:28] <maswan> http://ubuntu-releases.acc.umu.se/
[07:28] <maswan> a mirror few knows about, so it isn't overwhealmed yet. :)
[07:28] <ogra> sladen, yup, in breezy....
[07:29] <ogra> sladen, i'm worried about 10% broken systems out there now....and the number stayed constantly at this value.....
[07:31] <rcaskey> Does breezy exist yet?
[07:33] <zul> nope
[07:35] <AstralJava> Hi all.
[07:36] <ogra> sladen, you made my day ! thanks for the https hint....i really had no explanation for the slowness
[07:43] <AstralJava> So, I wanted to let you guys all know that I sincerely appreciate hugely your work, and congratulate on reaching yet another high point.
[07:44] <mdz> AstralJava: thanks, there are many more good things to come ;-)
[07:44] <AstralJava> mdz: I'm sure. :)
[07:44] <zenwhen> mdz: are elements of cairo supposed to be rolled into metacity before the next release?
[07:44] <mdz> zenwhen: I don't know, seb128 might
[07:45] <AstralJava> Also, all that great stuff has inspired me to join the forces, I'll begin working on those missing or broken .desktop entries next week.
[07:45] <AstralJava> But that's more for MOTU stuff, just thought I'd share.
[07:50] <mdz> glad to hear it, MOTU is becoming a strong community in itself
[07:51] <daniels> agreed, they are doing very well
[07:51] <AstralJava> I don't wonder why. :)
[07:51] <AstralJava> So, are you guys two separate teams?
[07:52] <AstralJava> I mean, MOTU and devel?
[07:53] <seb128> zenwhen: cairo will be used by gtk2.8
[07:53] <zenwhen> is that likely going to be a 2005 thing?
[07:54] <seb128> correct
[07:55] <seb128> http://www.gtk.org/plan/2.8/
[07:55] <whiprush> man, 4 hours till our ubuntu party and I just can't get any work done.
[07:56] <seb128> calc: http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointEleven
[07:57] <jbailey> doko: ping?
[07:57] <calc> ah ok
[07:58] <jbailey> So Breezy releases on Oct 7th then? ;)
[07:59] <jbailey> bradb: Heya!
[07:59] <ska-fan> Whoo, I'm gonna be 5000 kms from home by then
[07:59] <bradb> jbailey: hey :)
[08:00] <lamont> seb128: thanks for the link - time to tell my wife she needs  a new husband that weekend... :-(
[08:01] <rcaskey> seb128: thanks, i was looking for that 15 minutes ago ;)
[08:01] <doko> jbailey: pong
[08:01] <jbailey> doko: Did you wind up committing your changes to that wiki page?  You said you were working on it, but I didn't get an email saying the page had been updated.
[08:02] <seb128> lamont: ah ah
[08:02] <lamont> seb128: her annual trade show is the weekend prior...  I'm screwed
[08:02] <seb128> utch
[08:02] <mxpxpod> to get hoary updates, do I need to change anything in my sources.list?
[08:02] <seb128> blame jdub for the calendar :p
[08:03] <lamont> s'ok
[08:05] <doko> seb128: maybe pia didn't allow him to make the next upload ;-)
[08:09] <Lathiat> maswan: is it just me or is this 3x more than the max data you've pushed all year :)
[08:12] <Lathiat> according to my calculations, theres been roughly 8500 iso downloads between bittorrent and ftp.acc
[08:12] <maswan> Lathiat: well, pretty much yeah, the other peaks have been more artificial and thus shorter and eventually filtered out of the more long-time graphs
[08:13] <Lathiat> maswan: right, well yeh this one has now hit the yearly graph on the large size
[08:13] <Lathiat> maswan: wanna take bets on when it starts to ease off the top line? :)
[08:14] <maswan> Lathiat: not really, I'm hoping it stays. :)
[08:14] <Lathiat> maswan: well bet next year then :)
[08:14] <maswan> Lathiat: besides, I'm not the right guy to bet with. I might "accidentally" trip over apachectl. ;)
[08:15] <Lathiat> maswan: heh
[08:15] <Lathiat> only data stuff i've dealt with thats close to this
[08:15] <Lathiat> is a lan party i run :)
[08:15] <Lathiat> heh
[08:15] <Lathiat> usually do 40TB or something in the weekend accross the core switch
[08:15] <Lathiat> but no where near the internet :)
[08:19] <mdz> AstralJava: the MOTU team is a subset of the Ubuntu development team which focuses on universe
[08:19] <mdz> AstralJava: likewise, we have a kernel team, a laptop team, etc.
[08:20] <zul> kernel team is cooler though ;)
[08:20] <ogra> AstralJava, and the MOTU team itself has subteams ;)
[08:27] <zenwhen> so did all of gnome 2.10.1 wind up in hoary final?
[08:29] <AstralJava> mdz, ogra: Right, I get it now.
[08:30] <mdz> zenwhen: all of gnome 2.10.1 hasn't wound up on ftp.gnome.org yet
[08:31] <mako> ok.. i just reimplemented userlinux, almost from scratch
[08:31] <mako> and it's *way* better now
[08:32] <zenwhen> mdz: oh ok. I keep having people ask me why their gnome about page still reads 2.10 when slashdot said Hoary had 2.10.1
[08:37] <shaya> has badger been forked yet?
[08:37] <shaya> wondering when I can change my hoary dists to badger
[08:38] <mdz> you can try it; if you get a 404, it isn't there yet
[08:39] <AstralJava> mako: Out of curiosity, what's 'userlinux'?
[08:39] <shaya> mdz: cept I cant get in
[08:40] <shaya> AstralJava: Bruce Peren's attempt at a debian based dist
[08:40] <mdz> AstralJava: www.userlinux.com
[08:40] <shaya> hasn't seemed to do anything
[08:41] <AstralJava> Okay thanks.
[08:41] <AstralJava> Seems interesting too.
[08:42] <mako> shaya: well, it hasn't seem to do anything that i can't redo in half a day's work :)
[08:43] <javi> hi, I have a problem with python on ubuntu hoary :
[08:44] <javi> my symple script : #!/usr/bin/python  \n import os
[08:44] <javi> make a plus (+) on my mouse
[08:45] <Treenaks> javi: why /usr/bin/python ?
[08:45] <javi> with that  plus i can make one square
[08:45] <javi>  which python
[08:45] <javi> /usr/bin/python
[08:45] <javi> python myscript.py is ok
[08:46] <Treenaks> javi: oh and "\n" means newline.. so your file is 2 lines?
[08:46] <Treenaks> javi: (it shuold probably say /usr/bin/env python -- that's what my python books recommend)
[08:46] <ska-fan> javi: not here
[08:46] <javi> yes
[08:46] <Treenaks> javi: also, #python might be better, yes
[08:47] <javi> mmm, ok ... i think about a ubuntu question
[08:47] <javi> ok
[08:47] <javi> thank you
[08:47] <Treenaks> javi: it is better to ask support questions about ubuntu in #ubuntu
[08:48] <javi> I'll ask it on #python ...
[08:48] <javi> I'll go there, thank you, and sorry
[08:51] <Treenaks> javi: no problem :)
[08:52] <shaya> mako: what's this nyc get together you are planning
[08:52] <AstralJava> mako: Does that tell more of yourself?
[08:52] <AstralJava> ;)
[08:53] <maswan> btw, for those wondering where ubuntu-releases.acc.umu.se came from, it is a temporary host, and is graphed here (the pink, yellow is cdimage.d.o):
[08:53] <maswan> http://cdimage.debian.org/stats/monitordata/index.shtml
[08:54] <Lathiat> maswan: got that temporary server up?
[08:54] <maswan> Lathiat: yes. serving one file only: Redirect /5.04/ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso http://ubuntu-releases.acc.umu.se/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[08:54] <Lathiat> ah rightio
[08:54] <Lathiat> maswan: do those ftp stats include http?
[08:55] <maswan> Lathiat: those graphs are network bandwidth, and is almost all http
[08:55] <Lathiat> right
[08:55] <Lathiat> teste not on those graphs?
[08:55] <Lathiat> (so like, its those + another 15M/s ?)
[08:56] <maswan> testse is ubuntu-releases and is on the cdimage.d.o link
[08:56] <maswan> pink, out to the right :)
[08:56] <Lathiat> yep
[08:57] <Lathiat> oh, 45M :)
[08:57] <Lathiat> so youd be doing more like 100M/s now :)
[08:57] <Lathiat> maswan: what happened at 2pm?
[08:57] <maswan> yes
[08:57] <maswan> Lathiat: small misconfiguration fix
[08:58] <maswan> probably dumped a bunch of downloaders, but seems to have retried quickly
[08:58] <Lathiat> yeh did, what did you cchange?
[08:59] <ogra> yay, 6000 submissions on hwdb.ubuntu.com
[08:59] <maswan> added a virtual host for se.releases.u.c, but that broke the previous download link that pointed there.
[08:59] <Lathiat> ah right
[08:59] <Lathiat> oops :)
[09:01] <rcaskey> is it normal for a window to show up in the window list twice if it has a modal child that steals focus?
[09:01] <rcaskey> or even if it doesn't steal focus
[09:02] <rcaskey> (ie. update manager)
[09:10] <Lathiat> maswan: i'll be impressed if that lasts more than 24hours.
[09:11] <maswan> Lathiat: me too
[09:11] <maswan> I'm expecting the ftp cluster graph start dropping soon, since I've redirected away the i386-install iso
[09:12] <Lathiat> maswan: cat5 getting warm? :)
[09:12] <maswan> http://stats.sunet.se/stat-q/plot-all/umea2.umea-srp,2005-04-08,raw,traffic-kbit
[09:12] <maswan> this is the uplink to our university. :)
[09:16] <Lathiat> maswan: got pictures of the hardware?
[09:16] <ska-fan> a heat camera picture :)
[09:17] <maswan> http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/ftp-about.html
[09:17] <Lathiat> haha
[09:17] <maswan> that has links to some pictures
[09:17] <maswan> and some general info
[09:17] <maswan> the temporary machine is just a boring 1U dual opteron with 8 gigs of ram
[09:18] <Lathiat> wis i had one of those :)
[09:18] <maswan> load average: 0.19, 0.13, 0.03
[09:18] <maswan> that's delivering 45M/s average
[09:20] <HWolf> maswan: You just happened to have it lying around in the bin?
[09:20] <maswan> HWolf: We have a few extra test machines, in addition to the 190 ones we have in a compute cluster. :)
[09:21] <HWolf> ..190..?
[09:21] <maswan> HWolf: http://www.hpc2n.umu.se/resources/sarek.html
[09:21] <HWolf> for what?
[09:21] <maswan> resource for academia in sweden, researchers that need to do lots of computation
[09:22] <HWolf> Ah. Cool.
[09:22] <HWolf> And a bit of that bandwith is now given to Tux?
[09:22] <Lathiat> i want to goto your university :)
[09:22] <Lathiat> im lucky if i can get on the network at mine :)
[09:23] <Lathiat> and then like.. i can can pull 1 or 2 M/s at 4c/MB on a good day :)
[09:23] <maswan> HWolf: I borrowed one from there since one network there has a separate gigE uplink from the rest of campus. :)
[09:23] <Mithrandir> mdz: because most people in Scandinavia are firmly latin-1 and converting to utf-8 is a bit more than "convert your terminal".
[09:24] <maswan> HWolf: depends on what you did with it? :)
[09:26] <Lathiat> maswan: man you guys have some slick hardware
[09:26] <Mithrandir> Lathiat: his hardware even makes me jealous.
[09:26] <Lathiat> Mithrandir: what do you have
[09:27] <Lathiat> our computer club only *just* got a dual opteron server with 800GB of disk in raid-5
[09:27] <Lathiat> and tahts not at my university :( no computer club at mine.
[09:27] <Mithrandir> Lathiat: depends on what you mean by "have"; at least a triple of single athlon64 machines (2800+, 3000+, 4000+); at $work we have about ten dual opterons ranging from 240 to 250s.
[09:27] <Lathiat> or at least, none thats worth caring about.
[09:28] <maswan> hmm.. it seems to be holding at about 40MByte/s for ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[09:28] <maswan> but I have no problem getting more when I try
[09:28] <maswan> perhaps we have met the demand for that iso?
[09:28] <Mithrandir> maswan: *chuckle*
[09:28] <Lathiat> ftp.acc is probably still a bit backlogged
[09:28] <Lathiat> perhaps you should kick a few clients :)
[09:29] <maswan> Lathiat: hehe
[09:29] <maswan> well, I could add a redirect for the livecd too
[09:29] <HWolf> maswan: somehow I doubt it
[09:30] <HWolf> I wonder when the first editorial raving about a 'blistering success" will be published
[09:30] <Lathiat> maswan: so did you stick the iso image on a ramdisk? :)
[09:31] <maswan> Lathiat: nah, I have a proper releases mirror on that machine. it's just that cache works pretty well when you have way more ram than workingset :)
[09:31] <Lathiat> heh yeh
[09:34] <Lathiat> hmm i dont think my isp is counting the amoune of data im doign correctly
[09:42] <hohlraum> why was evolution packaged with two .desktop entries in two different categories? (Office and Internet)
[09:43] <hohlraum> its the only inconsistency across all the apps that are installed.
[09:47] <Lathiat> it fits in both really
[09:47] <Lathiat> no idea if theres a policy in not having two ro somethign
[09:47] <mako> hmm. shaya wandered off
[09:48] <hohlraum> sure it does.. so pick one.. simple.  regardless of whether or not its against some policy doesn't make it right.
[09:50] <dholbach> hey!
[09:50] <maswan> Mithrandir: hmm.. you that know stuff like this, what's the optimum number of threads per worker proces in apache2? for serving isos at gigE to a couple of thousand clients that is
[09:50] <ogra> hi dholbach 
[09:50] <dholbach> hey ogra
[09:52] <maswan> Mithrandir: I need to increase either the Server Limit from 50 or ThreadsPerChild from 25 by a factor 2-4 :)
[09:52] <Lathiat> threads are cheaper 
[09:53] <Lathiat> no idea where the balance lies
[09:53] <maswan> I have no idea either, but I seem to remember that Mithrandir has some experience in high-performance webservers
[09:54] <Lathiat> increase both? :)
[09:54] <Lathiat> heh
[09:54] <maswan> heh. I will if he doesn't answer me soon. :)
[09:54] <Lathiat> 10000 servers with1 00000000 threads is obivously better :)
[09:55] <Lathiat> and don't forget to compile your apache from source :)
[09:56] <Lathiat> whats the limit?
[09:57] <sladen> 25*50 = 1250 minus the percentage that are being reforked at that moment
[09:58] <Lathiat> well, i've served up 33 isos off my small local mirror :)
[09:58] <Lathiat> beat you all :)
[09:59] <Lathiat> maswan: uh all the ftp data i sstarting to level off
[09:59] <Lathiat> s/level off/drop off
[10:00] <Lathiat> those disks but me a little toasty
[10:00] <Lathiat> maswan: for that opteron cluster, do you run somethign like mosix or just lots of instances of whatever program on each node?
[10:00] <maswan> yeah, the temporary host is still picking up though
[10:01] <maswan> Lathiat: lots of instances
[10:01] <maswan> Lathiat: they can communicate with eachother via MPI
[10:01] <Lathiat> mpi?
[10:02] <maswan> message passing interface, a standard for telling processes stuff
[10:02] <maswan> optimised for high speeds and low latency
[10:02] <Lathiat> cool
[10:02] <Lathiat> im so jealous :)
[10:02] <Lathiat> ahah be good for a gentoo user to distcc with :)
[10:03] <Lathiat> make a nice buildd too :)
[10:03] <Lathiat> "rebuild the entire archive once a day just for the hell of it!"
[10:06] <maswan> well, given that it would take one of those machines somewhere around a couple of days to a week or two to rebuild the entire archive...
[10:06] <maswan> entire debian archive, I should qualify
[10:07] <Lathiat> so with all 160 or whatever.. :)
[10:08] <Lathiat> maswan: got photos of the opteron cluster?
[10:08] <ska-fan> maswan: maybe #apache people know more
[10:10] <maswan> Lathiat: http://www.hpc2n.umu.se/images/archive/20040609-MoreOfM/IMG_0240.JPG
[10:10] <maswan> two of the racks plus the myrinet switches
[10:10] <maswan> http://www.hpc2n.umu.se/images/archive/20040609-MoreOfM/IMG_0211.JPG
[10:11] <maswan> backside of the racks
[10:13] <Lathiat> neat
[10:14] <maswan> lots of more images in images/archive
[10:15] <Lathiat> im jealous enough already :)
[10:22] <mako> i liked the /. mention of MandrivaGNU/KUbuntu
[10:25] <trulux> hey mako 
[10:25] <mako> trulux: hey, anything from amaya
[10:25] <mako> ?
[10:25] <HWolf> Are the torrents still challenged for bandwith?
[10:26] <maswan> HWolf: doesn't seem like that
[10:26] <HWolf> maswan, cool
[10:26] <maswan> HWolf: I seed considerably more to the debian iso sets
[10:26] <HWolf> or rather, not cool. :S
[10:27] <trulux> mako: nicht :(
[10:27] <trulux> mako: nothing back from her
[10:27] <mako> trulux: cool, i'll poke
[10:28] <trulux> mako: ok, many thanks in advance
[10:28] <trulux> I've been working out the final libssp packages
[10:28] <mako> awesome :)
[10:28] <trulux> and next are the gcc wrappers for gcc-3.4-hardened
[10:29] <Lathiat> well, 4:30am
[10:29] <trulux> I still need to make some work around SELinux targeted policy
[10:29] <Lathiat> time to hit the sack
[10:29] <trulux> mako: I would like to talk to the maintainer of the libpam packages
[10:30] <Lathiat> night all
[10:30] <doko> trulux: will you make a hardened release based on hoary?
[10:30] <mako> i'm not sure who handles libpam for ubuntu but pitti may be a good place to point your fignre
[10:30] <trulux> doko: yes
[10:30] <doko> cool
[10:30] <trulux> doko: as soon as I finish it, as soon as *WE* have a toy to play with
[10:30] <doko> :)
[10:32] <trulux> doko:I will prepare the first release of the gcc-3.4-hardened package tomorrow
[10:33] <trulux> doko: rather than making gcc-3.4 + ssp packages....
[10:33] <giskard_> ubuntu installer is the same of sarge right?
[10:34] <trulux> doko: we use a gcc-x.y-hardened package which gives us both ld and gcc wrappers
[10:34] <trulux> doko: so, we don't end in the overhead of maintaining separate packages
[10:35] <trulux> instead, and as a careful study I did demonstrates (I will publish it as soon as I finish the remaining sections of the paper), the impact of having SSP flags capable topolchain is minimal
[10:35] <trulux> we just *not* enable it by default
[10:36] <trulux> and gcc-x.y-hardened will depend on libssp
[10:36] <doko> you're going to UDU?
[10:36] <trulux> doko: If I get the money, maybe, too close now, I think not, but who knows, I need a sponsor and I haven't started to look for it
[10:39] <maswan> hmm.. the bandwidth use seems to go down now. perhaps we've handled the peak demand by now?
[10:41] <Mithrandir> maswan: I don't know; I haven't really tuned a2 at all
[10:41] <Mithrandir> maswan: and my web servers are mostly a1 still; that'll most likely change in the summer
[10:41] <maswan> Mithrandir: I'll go for the classic "hmm, I wonder what this'll do" then. :)
[10:41] <maswan> have fun!
[10:42] <dholbach> Mithrandir: concert? who plays?
[11:04] <dholbach> hey lamont_r 
[11:05] <lamont_r> howdy dholbach 
[11:05] <dholbach> already partying? :-)
[11:06] <paulproteus> I am attempting to use the multiseat package in Ubuntu.  Unfortunately, while I see action in the Changelog (/usr/share/doc/multiseat/changelog.gz), I can find no documentation for the package.
[11:06] <paulproteus> I used the Enable multiseat option in the Hoary installer, and afterwards did # apt-get install multiseat.
[11:07] <paulproteus> Is there something I should know, or some tools that will help, or some documentation on how to use the multiseat system?
[11:11] <Mithrandir> dholbach: Madrugada; norwegian band.
[11:12] <Mithrandir> dholbach: but it was a bit too full, so I left.
[11:12] <paulproteus> By the way, if anyone wants me to write documentation for multiseat, I can do that happily if someone explains to me what the package is capable of. ;)
[11:12] <maswan> Mithrandir: I figured out that it doesn't matter much since I will run out of bandwidth long before I run out of cpu. :)
[11:12] <Mithrandir> maswan: :P
[11:12] <maswan> load average: 0.18, 0.13, 0.10
[11:12] <maswan> only have 1 gigE to the "interesting" network
[11:12] <Mithrandir> maswan: apache is ok-ish bandwidth-wise.
[11:13] <dholbach> Mithrandir: that was fast
[11:13] <Mithrandir> dholbach: packed with people and the band wasn't that good today.
[11:13] <maswan> Cpu(s):  0.7% us,  2.1% sy,  0.0% ni, 80.1% id,  0.0% wa,  1.6% hi, 15.4% si
[11:13] <Mithrandir> dholbach: I work at the student society, so I get free entrance to everything
[11:13] <dholbach> Mithrandir: and free beer, i hope :_)
[11:14] <Mithrandir> dholbach: nah, no free beer, but it's fairly cheap.
[11:14] <maswan> ... for Norway. ;P
[11:14] <Mithrandir> maswan: load seems to be dropping now. :(
[11:14] <Mithrandir> I'm only pushing 1.3MB/sec.
[11:14] <Mithrandir> (on one box)
[11:14] <maswan> http://cdimage.debian.org/stats/monitordata/index.shtml
[11:14] <Mithrandir> maswan: yeah, cheap for Norway.
[11:14] <maswan> that one seems fairly stable
[11:14] <maswan> http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/monitordata/index.html
[11:15] <maswan> the ftp cluster is dropping a bit after I redirected the i386 installer+live cds
[11:15] <dholbach> _mvo_: what about beer tomorrow? :-)
[11:17] <Mithrandir> dholbach: are you also going to be drowned?
[11:17] <robertj> is archive.ubuntu.com a round-robin?
[11:17] <dholbach> Mithrandir: don't think so, i'm drowned too fast i guess ;-)
[11:18] <crimsun> robertj: for 2, yes
[11:18] <AstralJava> Okay, I'm too tired now, what's UDU?
[11:18] <robertj> 2?
[11:18] <robertj> 2 machines or 2 something elses?
[11:18] <dholbach> astharot: wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder
[11:18] <dholbach> AstralJava: : wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder
[11:18] <AstralJava> Ahh....
[11:21] <mvo> dholbach: beer *yum*
[11:21] <dholbach> WOOHOO
[11:21] <AstralJava> Oh, that's the keyword. :)
[11:22] <dholbach> mvo: hrm... no weather for biergarten in the next days
[11:24] <dholbach> good night pals, i'm off to bed
[11:24] <ogra> night dholbach 
[11:25] <dholbach> bye ogar
[11:25] <dholbach> ogra
[11:25] <dholbach> :-)
[11:26] <robertj> plan of action: apt-get -d dist-upgrade from this 2 day old mirror and then dist-upgrade again from the archives