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| Burgundavia | salut | 12:07 |
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| sladen | this URL is 404: | 02:28 |
| sladen | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/miniRAM | 02:28 |
| sladen | and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/search?SearchableText=low+memory&Title=&Description=&created%3Adate=1970%2F02%2F01+00%3A00%3A00+GMT&created_usage=range%3Amin&pt_toggle=%23&portal_type%3Alist=AmazonItem&portal_type%3Alist=Discussion+Item&portal_type%3Alist=Document&portal_type%3Alist=Event&portal_type%3Alist=Favorite&portal_type%3Alist=File&portal_type%3Alist=Folder&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenter&portal_type%3Alist=HelpCenterDefinition&portal_type%3Alist=H | 02:29 |
| sladen | oh foobar | 02:29 |
| sladen | that is ugly beyond belief | 02:29 |
| sladen | ...http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/installation-custom/talkback/1103218967/view?searchterm=low%20memory | 02:30 |
| sladen | redirects to a URL that says: | 02:30 |
| sladen | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/insufficient_privileges | 02:30 |
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| Flonne | Bleh. Routers should not be allowed to die. | 02:55 |
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| jsgotangco | greetings | 04:24 |
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| jsgotangco | hi | 05:27 |
| Burgundavia | salut | 05:29 |
| jsgotangco | jeezz i was playing around win a windows server 2003 here at home and i broke it with sp1 | 06:34 |
| jsgotangco | *grin* | 06:34 |
| Burgundavia | heh | 06:34 |
| Burgundavia | windows is fun eh? | 06:35 |
| Burgundavia | even the stable version breaks a lot | 06:35 |
| jsgotangco | it is fun | 06:35 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 06:35 |
| jsgotangco | im laughing so hard | 06:35 |
| Burgundavia | sp1 is the big new one eh? | 06:36 |
| jsgotangco | its bigger than an apt-get dist-upgrad | 06:36 |
| Burgundavia | bah | 06:36 |
| jsgotangco | its like 400MB | 06:36 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 06:36 |
| Burgundavia | damn gnomebaker froze | 06:36 |
| jsgotangco | when i rebooted the box it said "installation failed" | 06:37 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 06:37 |
| jsgotangco | wtf | 06:37 |
| Burgundavia | lol | 06:39 |
| jsgotangco | now i dont know if its fixed or not hehe | 06:39 |
| Burgundavia | and this waht millions of people place thousands of dollars in trust every day | 06:39 |
| jsgotangco | heh heres a good one | 06:39 |
| jsgotangco | when i turn on the firewall | 06:39 |
| jsgotangco | it wants to reboot | 06:39 |
| jsgotangco | jeezz | 06:39 |
| Burgundavia | lol | 06:39 |
| Burgundavia | pretty soon, when you start a program, it will want to reboot | 06:40 |
| jsgotangco | im reading the release notes | 06:40 |
| Burgundavia | actually, they say longhorn will have more hotpatching | 06:40 |
| jsgotangco | they reduced protocol exposure to SMB, lanman, ldap | 06:40 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 06:40 |
| jsgotangco | i wonder how this affects samba clients | 06:40 |
| jsgotangco | oh well i will play around with the other box later | 06:41 |
| Burgundavia | probably not much | 06:51 |
| Flonne | Wouldn't Windows hotpatching require a total rewrite of the services and kernel? | 07:27 |
| jsgotangco | urrkk if that is so, does that mean the whole system was rewritten | 07:30 |
| Flonne | Unless Microsoft is just lying again... | 07:33 |
| Burgundavia | could be | 07:33 |
| Burgundavia | this is on the unofficial longhorn spec sheet | 07:33 |
| Burgundavia | It may also slip | 07:33 |
| Flonne | Any hotpatching is more hotpatching, though. | 07:33 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 07:34 |
| Flonne | They could make config files hot-patchable. =P | 07:34 |
| Burgundavia | and hotpatching is good | 07:34 |
| Burgundavia | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/11/21/ms_paper_touts_unix/ | 07:35 |
| Burgundavia | read that | 07:35 |
| Burgundavia | is funny | 07:35 |
| jsgotangco | dog it dog haha | 07:43 |
| jsgotangco | eat | 07:43 |
| === froud-away is now known as froud | ||
| Burgundavia | salut froud | 07:45 |
| froud | African Greetings | 07:45 |
| froud | morn | 07:45 |
| === froud sips at coffee | ||
| jsgotangco | hi froud | 07:45 |
| froud | Invisible_Pink_U ??? Hmmm | 07:45 |
| froud | morn | 07:45 |
| Burgundavia | we were having a religion debate in #wikipedia | 07:46 |
| froud | argh, religion, nooooooo | 07:46 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 07:46 |
| jsgotangco | froud: your email about the branched r871 | 07:47 |
| froud | yes | 07:47 |
| Burgundavia | there was a gentleman of christian persusian, who was trying to convince us that homosexuality was a sin | 07:47 |
| jsgotangco | froud: will doing a checkout make a new wc? | 07:47 |
| jsgotangco | so there will be 2 wc? trunk and branch? | 07:47 |
| jsgotangco | homosexuality is a sin in the judeo-christian beliefs but nowadays every religion should be liberal on such issues | 07:48 |
| froud | yes if you are using eSvn just do browse then change the string trunk to branch and then click browse | 07:48 |
| froud | from there you can do checkout | 07:48 |
| jsgotangco | https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branch/ ? | 07:52 |
| froud | jsgotangco: yes | 07:52 |
| froud | jsgotangco: most of the heavy moving is now done | 07:52 |
| froud | jsgotangco: I am just developing the make system | 07:53 |
| froud | my focus is to complete the gnome first, that way we can merge back to trunk sooner | 07:53 |
| jsgotangco | svn list https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branch/ --recursive --verbose --non-interactive | 07:54 |
| jsgotangco | svn: URL 'https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branch' non-existent in that revision | 07:54 |
| jsgotangco | error (1) | 07:54 |
| froud | https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches sorry | 07:55 |
| jsgotangco | okay | 07:55 |
| === froud is still in the early morning fog | ||
| jsgotangco | hmm its taking a while i guess its working | 07:57 |
| froud | Burgundavia: seems like this person is a hardliner, personally I dont care what a persons sexual proclility is | 07:58 |
| froud | you will see thr branches folder | 07:58 |
| froud | then click it | 07:58 |
| froud | it will expand the folders in the branch | 07:58 |
| froud | select restruct | 07:58 |
| froud | and do a checkout on that | 07:59 |
| froud | Burgundavia: everyone is entitled to a religion | 07:59 |
| froud | and everyone is entitled to thier sexual preference | 08:00 |
| jsgotangco | ok i see the branch | 08:00 |
| froud | nice do you see the sub folders | 08:00 |
| jsgotangco | restruct -> build -> common, etc | 08:00 |
| jsgotangco | oh its the same structure | 08:01 |
| froud | yes | 08:01 |
| froud | more or less | 08:01 |
| jsgotangco | but it now has kde | 08:01 |
| froud | and generic | 08:01 |
| froud | libs have moved | 08:01 |
| jsgotangco | ok i just select restructure and click on check out | 08:01 |
| froud | yes | 08:01 |
| jsgotangco | and i make a new wc right | 08:02 |
| froud | yes in a new folder outside your trunk | 08:02 |
| jsgotangco | gotcha..the only thing i notice is | 08:03 |
| jsgotangco | that when i did a co | 08:03 |
| jsgotangco | i dont see the progress | 08:03 |
| jsgotangco | eh? | 08:03 |
| froud | you should see prgress | 08:03 |
| froud | give it a second | 08:03 |
| jsgotangco | ok there she goes... | 08:04 |
| === jsgotangco is beginning to like esvn more | ||
| froud | needs to get the file list from th e.svn on the repos | 08:05 |
| froud | This is what Baz needs | 08:05 |
| froud | jsgotangco: I am still building the make files etc and have not checked them in yet | 08:06 |
| froud | jsgotangco: I will soon do a checkin for the gnome folder | 08:06 |
| froud | then perhaps you would like to help me integrate the other folders | 08:06 |
| jsgotangco | yes i would ill familiarize myself with the branch then | 08:07 |
| froud | OK, remember what you are looking at is still unstable | 08:07 |
| froud | so nothing works | 08:07 |
| jsgotangco | its expected | 08:08 |
| jsgotangco | *grin* | 08:08 |
| froud | as I said I will do the first make for gnome and then perhaps you can do generic and kde | 08:09 |
| froud | that way you will get an understanding of the make system | 08:09 |
| froud | I also suggest we document it in the wiki once we get further | 08:09 |
| froud | that way when we merge to trunk people will have something to follow | 08:10 |
| jsgotangco | ok ill make some notes on this conversation as reference | 08:10 |
| froud | Flonne: ping | 08:10 |
| Flonne | Hi. | 08:10 |
| Flonne | My router died. | 08:10 |
| froud | Hi, ooo sorry about that | 08:11 |
| Flonne | It's amazingly difficult to find ISA cards there days. :( | 08:11 |
| froud | Flonne: r you up to hacking the restructure in the branch | 08:11 |
| jsgotangco | or mobos with ISA slots either | 08:11 |
| Flonne | I managed to get access to a Mac today, so I'll be testing netboot stuff tomorrow. | 08:11 |
| === jsgotangco needs an ISA mobo for an old test tooling kit | ||
| Flonne | Is the planned restructure documented in any way? | 08:12 |
| froud | Flonne: in my head | 08:12 |
| === Flonne maintains a 486 running oBSD. | ||
| froud | Flonne: most of the heavy moving is done | 08:12 |
| Flonne | Software routers are great. | 08:12 |
| Flonne | So what would you want me to do? Verify XSLT structures? | 08:12 |
| froud | Flonne: now I am building the make system, based on the methods used for autogen | 08:13 |
| froud | I will do a checkin for the gnome folder as a sample app | 08:13 |
| froud | an when I do post it to the list | 08:13 |
| Flonne | Updating... | 08:14 |
| froud | Flonne: we are in branches/restructure | 08:14 |
| jsgotangco | what happens to trunk we keep it as is at the moment and just commit some stuff? | 08:15 |
| froud | Flonne: jsgotangco: I am not sure there is anything you can do until I do the make checkin for gnome | 08:15 |
| jsgotangco | ok no rush | 08:15 |
| Flonne | Hmm... I'll need to check out the level below trunk. | 08:15 |
| froud | jsgotangco: trunkgoes on as it is. If there are commits we merge them to the branch | 08:15 |
| froud | Flonne: dont you already have it | 08:16 |
| Flonne | Not on this laptop. | 08:16 |
| froud | AH | 08:16 |
| Flonne | I was experimenting with Ubuntu amd64 while my router was down. | 08:17 |
| froud | jsgotangco: we will merge changes in trunk to the branch so that we can easily merge branch back to trunk | 08:17 |
| froud | Flonne: an | 08:17 |
| jsgotangco | ok i get the branch -> trunk trunk ->branch flow now | 08:17 |
| Flonne | How many branches do you plan to introduce? | 08:18 |
| Flonne | Core + KDE/Gnome? | 08:19 |
| Flonne | (With core being trunk) | 08:19 |
| jsgotangco | i see a kde in restructure | 08:19 |
| froud | Flonne: restructure is going to be trunk | 08:20 |
| froud | I have created folders for gnome, kde, generic | 08:20 |
| Flonne | Branches are one of those things that make Subversion great. :) | 08:20 |
| froud | libs has moved | 08:20 |
| froud | kde generic and gnome will have their own libs | 08:21 |
| froud | there is still commons | 08:21 |
| Flonne | So the plan is basically to place basesystem stuff in generic, then export against the Gnome or KDE branches when required? | 08:21 |
| froud | so generic is stuff that is not desktop specific | 08:21 |
| froud | generic holds the FAQ Guide | 08:22 |
| froud | and LearnLinux | 08:22 |
| froud | FAQ Guide will be profiled | 08:22 |
| froud | learn linux is cli | 08:22 |
| froud | so no desktop stuff | 08:22 |
| froud | so the genral rul of thumb is that generic is for documents that sepak about cli only or have application to both KDE and GNOME | 08:23 |
| froud | the faq guide for example | 08:23 |
| froud | it is mostly GNOME now | 08:24 |
| froud | but we can easily apply much of the stuff to kde | 08:24 |
| Flonne | Will generic become trunk after the restructure? | 08:24 |
| froud | Since it is a qanda set | 08:24 |
| froud | no | 08:24 |
| froud | the whole of restructure becomes trunk | 08:24 |
| froud | whatever we do in the restructure/ will be merged into trunk/ | 08:25 |
| Flonne | Ah. I see it now. | 08:25 |
| jsgotangco | wait | 08:25 |
| froud | I branched at r871 | 08:25 |
| jsgotangco | some changes in trunk must reflect in restructure right | 08:25 |
| froud | so our first r in the branch is r872 | 08:25 |
| jsgotangco | but restructure changes become trunk in the end | 08:26 |
| jsgotangco | right | 08:26 |
| froud | jsgotangco: yes | 08:26 |
| jsgotangco | ok its so clear now | 08:26 |
| froud | jsgotangco: see svn book about branches | 08:26 |
| froud | http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.0/svn-book.html#svn-ch-4 | 08:27 |
| froud | that should explain the concept | 08:27 |
| froud | Ok any more questions I must do work now | 08:28 |
| jsgotangco | ill just read the link and finish this branch thing | 08:29 |
| froud | I will commit the make system only tonight | 08:29 |
| jsgotangco | ok | 08:29 |
| froud | that way you can see how it will work | 08:29 |
| froud | after that we will be able to replicate it for generic and kde | 08:29 |
| froud | then we need to sort the entities | 08:30 |
| froud | global.net is going to slpit | 08:30 |
| froud | there will be global-fr.ent | 08:30 |
| froud | global-de.ent | 08:30 |
| froud | etc | 08:30 |
| froud | this will make compensation for i18n | 08:31 |
| froud | and we will have folders for menus in each language and the documents | 08:31 |
| jsgotangco | oohhh | 08:31 |
| jsgotangco | that is really nice | 08:31 |
| froud | the make system will build the omf files, pots and pos | 08:32 |
| Flonne | Can't wait to see your plan in action. | 08:32 |
| jsgotangco | we're not worthy! | 08:32 |
| froud | basically I want the system to manage all and if we create a new doc it should be easy to integrate | 08:33 |
| froud | also for package it should be easy to packaged each book by itslef or the whole gnome or kde or generic | 08:33 |
| Flonne | With special consideration being given to translations, right? | 08:33 |
| froud | yes, I want translations to be fire and forget | 08:34 |
| froud | we make a pot we get back po | 08:34 |
| Flonne | Including pos for new docs? | 08:34 |
| froud | the system generates omf-fr etc | 08:34 |
| froud | we make pot not po | 08:34 |
| froud | the translators give us back po | 08:35 |
| Flonne | Typo. | 08:35 |
| jsgotangco | i think we should fix conventions as well | 08:35 |
| froud | we add po to svn and make xml-nn | 08:35 |
| jsgotangco | like we had problems on the po.diff patches | 08:35 |
| froud | I know about " we should use <quote></quote> | 08:35 |
| froud | any others | 08:36 |
| jsgotangco | we'll see along the way | 08:36 |
| Flonne | I was wondering why you weren't using tags like that... | 08:36 |
| froud | OK | 08:36 |
| Flonne | You have to work. =P | 08:36 |
| froud | well dudes, speak later | 08:36 |
| froud | very happy you too will be ther eto help | 08:36 |
| froud | :-) | 08:36 |
| jsgotangco | froud | 08:37 |
| froud | chow | 08:37 |
| jsgotangco | wait | 08:37 |
| Flonne | I hope I can help. :) | 08:37 |
| froud | uh huh | 08:37 |
| jsgotangco | i just finished co of branch | 08:37 |
| froud | jsgotangco: ok | 08:37 |
| jsgotangco | does that mean i create a new wc on esvn? | 08:37 |
| jsgotangco | workspace i mean | 08:37 |
| froud | you can | 08:37 |
| froud | that will make it easier for you to switch between them | 08:37 |
| jsgotangco | ok i thought trunk and branch can be used at the same time | 08:37 |
| froud | They can if you do a checkout on repos/ | 08:38 |
| === Flonne installs esvn on all systems. | ||
| froud | but this will create tags | 08:38 |
| froud | and the tags folder is large | 08:38 |
| === froud is glad to here it. Perhaps Flonne and jsgotangco what to hack the eSvn documentation | ||
| jsgotangco | ok workspace is fine | 08:39 |
| froud | you can do checkout from svn at eSvn web site | 08:39 |
| froud | I know of one or two bugs in the document | 08:39 |
| froud | and improvements are always welcome | 08:40 |
| jsgotangco | ok that can be arranged | 08:40 |
| jsgotangco | unemployment is bliss | 08:40 |
| froud | Let me know if you have patches and I will patch the sources for you. | 08:40 |
| froud | I mean on eSvn now | 08:40 |
| froud | ok dudes bye for now | 08:41 |
| === froud is now known as froud-work | ||
| Flonne | Student approaching finals here. ^^ | 08:41 |
| jsgotangco | hmm branch is still bare | 08:42 |
| Flonne | Is the bottom pane in the eSvn window used to display changes? | 08:43 |
| jsgotangco | thats the output log | 08:44 |
| jsgotangco | you see commands issued and stuff | 08:44 |
| === jsgotangco just started using esvn a few days ago | ||
| Flonne | Ah. | 08:44 |
| jsgotangco | Mandriva | 08:59 |
| jsgotangco | *grin* | 08:59 |
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| Burgundavia | you mean mandrivel | 09:02 |
| Flonne | Different name, same garbage. :) | 09:02 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 09:02 |
| Burgundavia | another example of corprate branding gone wrong | 09:02 |
| jsgotangco | what a crappy name | 09:02 |
| Burgundavia | manisthisstilltrivia | 09:02 |
| Flonne | That's what I thought when I first heard it, jsgotangco. | 09:02 |
| jsgotangco | jeezz #ubuntu-devel is smoking | 09:02 |
| Flonne | Then I realized where it came from... | 09:03 |
| Flonne | After that, I just started laughing. ^^ | 09:03 |
| jsgotangco | it sounds like a monkey specie | 09:03 |
| Flonne | Conectiva was Brazilian, right? | 09:03 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 09:03 |
| Flonne | And Drake's documentation was already filled with typos and severe grammatical mistakes... | 09:03 |
| jsgotangco | i used to like rh documentation | 09:04 |
| Flonne | But RH is professional (though I really can't stand their management interfaces). Drake is like a cheap hack. | 09:04 |
| jsgotangco | you think we can go to that level of documentation in the future? | 09:05 |
| Flonne | I'm hoping to spend most of the summer improving the quality of what exists already... | 09:06 |
| Flonne | I'm sure it'll happen eventually. :) | 09:06 |
| jsgotangco | yes we'll evolve eventually | 09:07 |
| Flonne | Some good changes seem to be on the way. | 09:07 |
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| mvirkkil | Where's the faqguide? | 10:30 |
| froud-work | in trunk or branch? | 10:31 |
| froud-work | in trunk it is in the root of trunk | 10:31 |
| mvirkkil | Hoary's faq guide. FOr end users. | 10:31 |
| froud-work | mvirkkil: you want to write or you just want to read? | 10:31 |
| mvirkkil | I mean on the web. So that I can point people to it. | 10:31 |
| mvirkkil | froud-work: Read | 10:32 |
| froud-work | www.ubuntuguide.org | 10:32 |
| froud-work | a bit outa date though | 10:32 |
| froud-work | and should be used with caution | 10:32 |
| mvirkkil | That's the old one. I mean a more official version of this: www.ubuntuguide.org | 10:32 |
| Burgundavia | which should be used with a great deal fo caution | 10:32 |
| mvirkkil | ARGH.. Wrong paste | 10:32 |
| Burgundavia | /temp is hoary | 10:33 |
| mvirkkil | http://people.ubuntu.com/~mako/docteam/faqguide | 10:33 |
| mvirkkil | Hmm.. Though that seems to be a bit out of date too.. | 10:33 |
| froud-work | mvirkkil: we need to update it for hoary | 10:33 |
| mvirkkil | ok | 10:34 |
| froud-work | it is warty | 10:34 |
| mvirkkil | never mind then. | 10:34 |
| froud-work | you can get the source in svn and update it if you want | 10:34 |
| froud-work | mvirkkil: I know Burgundavia will also be working on the FAQ Guide, perhaps you can work together? | 10:39 |
| jsgotangco | brb gotta reboot x | 10:40 |
| froud-work | what is it with him and rebooting | 10:41 |
| froud-work | I never saw a person reboot so much | 10:41 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 10:42 |
| Burgundavia | windows refugee | 10:42 |
| Burgundavia | got rebootitis | 10:42 |
| froud-work | lets ask him :-) | 10:43 |
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| froud-work | jsgotangco: you have rebootitis? | 10:51 |
| froud-work | why do you keep having to reboot? | 10:51 |
| Burgundavia | rofl | 10:51 |
| jsgotangco | blah i was testing stuff on my X | 10:52 |
| Burgundavia | still lol | 10:53 |
| froud-work | jsgotangco: you dont hav eto reboot for that | 10:53 |
| jsgotangco | i just did X | 10:53 |
| jsgotangco | not the whole system | 10:53 |
| froud-work | Ah ok | 10:53 |
| Burgundavia | why the freak did it take so long? | 10:53 |
| === froud-work was wondering the same | ||
| Burgundavia | seen those bandwidth charts? | 10:53 |
| jsgotangco | well i do other stuff | 10:53 |
| jsgotangco | i dont connect to freenode in an instant | 10:54 |
| froud-work | Burgundavia: what chart? | 10:54 |
| Burgundavia | http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/monitordata/index.html.en | 10:54 |
| jsgotangco | jeezz look at that spike | 10:54 |
| Burgundavia | no slashdot yet | 10:55 |
| Burgundavia | and distrowatch only has kubuntu | 10:55 |
| jsgotangco | should my gnome reflect 2.10.1? | 10:55 |
| froud-work | what charts are those? | 10:55 |
| jsgotangco | about gnome is still 2.10.0 here | 10:55 |
| Burgundavia | for an ubuntu mirror | 10:55 |
| Burgundavia | for today | 10:55 |
| froud-work | geeze | 10:56 |
| jsgotangco | and my circle of friends is still the old one | 10:56 |
| jsgotangco | ? | 10:56 |
| froud-work | that is hectic | 10:57 |
| froud-work | wonder how many downloads | 10:57 |
| jsgotangco | hoary gets to live while the pope is about to be buried | 10:58 |
| froud-work | oh well bury the pope and give birth to hoary :-) | 10:58 |
| froud-work | no bad omens here :-) | 10:59 |
| jsgotangco | and breezy is now conceived | 11:00 |
| jsgotangco | *grin* | 11:00 |
| froud-work | oh the pleasure of building six books of 600 pages with one command "make books" | 11:09 |
| jsgotangco | ummm what do we do at the moment while waiting for you to do stuff on branch | 11:11 |
| froud-work | rean svn book | 11:13 |
| froud-work | s/n/d | 11:13 |
| jsgotangco | good idea | 11:14 |
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| froud-work | maskie: it is not call more time yet. | 11:41 |
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| froud-work | nice they have use the same style as kubuntu for the web page | 12:38 |
| jsgotangco | hehehe maybe i should move to kubuntu | 12:39 |
| jsgotangco | it looks so solid | 12:39 |
| Burgundavia | bah | 12:39 |
| Burgundavia | kde | 12:39 |
| froud-work | jsgotangco: rock dude | 12:39 |
| Burgundavia | gives me windows nightmares | 12:39 |
| froud-work | It's not the interface that counts | 12:39 |
| froud-work | its the stability | 12:39 |
| jsgotangco | rock solid apps | 12:39 |
| froud-work | k3b | 12:40 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 12:40 |
| jsgotangco | amarok | 12:40 |
| Burgundavia | I must admit | 12:40 |
| Burgundavia | graveman and gnomebaker failed on me | 12:40 |
| Burgundavia | so I was forced to use a qt app | 12:40 |
| Burgundavia | I had to use k3d | 12:40 |
| Burgundavia | or it is k3b ;) | 12:40 |
| jsgotangco | thats not so bad | 12:40 |
| === froud-work waves his hand in front of Burgundavia's eyes and says, "You will come to Kubuntu." | ||
| === Burgundavia resists | ||
| froud-work | resistance is futile the force is strong with Kongi :-) | 12:41 |
| jsgotangco | but i will probably need a new box to break stuff to make good work on docs | 12:41 |
| froud-work | yep good excuse for the wife | 12:42 |
| froud-work | now you have a reason to go into that computer store she always pulls you away from :-) | 12:42 |
| Burgundavia | arghh | 12:42 |
| Burgundavia | there is a guy on #ubuntu that is being very annoying | 12:42 |
| Burgundavia | but not enough to justify kicking | 12:42 |
| daven | there's a line between breaking the rules and just annoying people | 12:46 |
| daven | unfortunately :) | 12:46 |
| Burgundavia | unfortunately he hasn't crossed it | 12:47 |
| Burgundavia | he seems drunk to me | 12:47 |
| daven | :s | 12:47 |
| jsgotangco | ok im out | 12:48 |
| jsgotangco | what a long day | 12:48 |
| Burgundavia | daven: have we met? | 12:48 |
| Burgundavia | were you at Mataro? | 12:48 |
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| daven | i'm afraid not - i'm just a random! | 12:49 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 12:49 |
| daven | i found ubuntu a few weeks ago after trying debian for a while | 12:49 |
| daven | i'm really impressed with it | 12:49 |
| Burgundavia | don't recognize your nick | 12:49 |
| Burgundavia | welcome | 12:49 |
| daven | thanks - hi! :) | 12:49 |
| Burgundavia | we usually (don't) talk about docs here | 12:49 |
| jsgotangco | im out | 12:49 |
| daven | hehe | 12:49 |
| jsgotangco | we talk about homosexuality and the pope | 12:49 |
| daven | in my work i'm a technical writer, currently, so i thought i'd hang around ;-) | 12:49 |
| Burgundavia | ? | 12:49 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 12:50 |
| Burgundavia | I was a help desk monkey | 12:50 |
| froud-work | daven: welcome | 12:50 |
| Burgundavia | and then I quite | 12:50 |
| Burgundavia | quit | 12:50 |
| jsgotangco | bye bye | 12:50 |
| Burgundavia | cya | 12:50 |
| froud-work | jsgotangco: cheers | 12:50 |
| daven | hi, froud-work. | 12:50 |
| froud-work | daven: you got experience with Docbook | 12:50 |
| daven | help desks can be stressful, i hear ;-) | 12:50 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 12:50 |
| jsgotangco | hi daven, bye daven nice to see you hope you hang out more | 12:50 |
| daven | nah - the company i work for use dita - i've only been doing the job a few months | 12:51 |
| Burgundavia | my ex, who wasn't at the time, tells me shoulders were knots | 12:51 |
| daven | thanks jsgotangco :) | 12:51 |
| Burgundavia | and I started grinding my teeth | 12:51 |
| Burgundavia | at night | 12:51 |
| daven | that doesn't sound healthy ;) | 12:51 |
| froud-work | daven: DITA you have DITA experience you will get on just fine with Docbook | 12:51 |
| Burgundavia | nope | 12:51 |
| daven | cool - hopefully at some point i might try and get involved. i've thought about contributing before, but i want to make sure i can commit myself first | 12:53 |
| froud-work | daven: we all dowhat we can | 12:53 |
| froud-work | daven: therein is the power | 12:54 |
| daven | :) | 12:54 |
| froud-work | we could use more technical writers | 12:55 |
| === froud-work goes to make coffee | ||
| daven | :) | 12:56 |
| Burgundavia | bah coffee | 12:56 |
| froud-work | daven: where r you located | 12:57 |
| daven | the uk | 12:57 |
| daven | ah - you can see that from the profile thing | 12:57 |
| froud-work | ok cool so we in the same time zone | 12:57 |
| daven | i'm in the south | 12:57 |
| froud-work | I am in South Africa | 12:57 |
| daven | wow - i guess so :) | 12:57 |
| Burgundavia | is 4 am here | 12:58 |
| froud-work | Burgundavia: is in Canada, but he is not sure which side | 12:58 |
| daven | hehe | 12:58 |
| froud-work | So is Flonne | 12:58 |
| froud-work | Kinnison: is also in the UK | 12:58 |
| Burgundavia | Kinnison: works for Canonical | 12:58 |
| Burgundavia | I got him into this channel | 12:58 |
| froud-work | and I think mdke is in AU | 12:59 |
| Burgundavia | I think he is too lazy to remove it from his autojoin | 12:59 |
| daven | i think it's really cool the way that the internet breaks down geographical barriers | 12:59 |
| daven | hehe | 12:59 |
| froud-work | sure, well you are welcome to join our doc effort. Look around and if you have any questions we r here to help | 01:00 |
| daven | thanks - i appreciate the welcome | 01:00 |
| froud-work | Burgundavia: nice to see our release notes roaming around the mailing lists | 01:02 |
| froud-work | lug lists that is | 01:02 |
| Burgundavia | which lists? | 01:02 |
| froud-work | the ones in co.za | 01:03 |
| froud-work | 01:03 | |
| froud-work | Charles Majola | 01:03 |
| froud-work | was kind to send it | 01:03 |
| froud-work | Burgundavia: did you know that the size of the docteam has quadrupled since xmas | 01:04 |
| Burgundavia | has it | 01:04 |
| froud-work | yeah | 01:05 |
| Burgundavia | no wonder I don't recognize most people | 01:05 |
| froud-work | we are getting old dude | 01:05 |
| Burgundavia | lol | 01:05 |
| === Burgundavia ponders his grey hairs | ||
| froud-work | trickie too | 01:05 |
| === Burgundavia does really actually have grey hair | ||
| Burgundavia | we have lost a lot though | 01:05 |
| Burgundavia | like plovs | 01:05 |
| froud-work | hey where is plovs | 01:05 |
| froud-work | he was cool | 01:06 |
| froud-work | dont see him these days | 01:06 |
| Burgundavia | I never saw a goodbye message | 01:06 |
| Burgundavia | I met him at Mataro | 01:06 |
| froud-work | me neither | 01:06 |
| Burgundavia | nice guy | 01:06 |
| froud-work | very cool | 01:06 |
| froud-work | geeze I wish enrico would leave amsterdam already | 01:06 |
| froud-work | I miss him | 01:06 |
| froud-work | Whhhhaaaaaah! | 01:06 |
| Burgundavia | what is he doing there? | 01:06 |
| froud-work | he works for ARPA | 01:07 |
| Burgundavia | ARPA? | 01:07 |
| froud-work | some org in Italy | 01:07 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 01:07 |
| froud-work | yeah not the dead one | 01:07 |
| froud-work | anyway back to work | 01:08 |
| Burgundavia | it is DARPA now | 01:08 |
| froud-work | yeah | 01:08 |
| froud-work | well I still have to hack this book I am writing | 01:08 |
| Burgundavia | http://www.arpa.emr.it/ | 01:08 |
| froud-work | dats it | 01:09 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 01:09 |
| Burgundavia | lots of italian I really don't understand | 01:09 |
| froud-work | thnk we need to speak to the main boz dude and let him know we need him here more | 01:09 |
| froud-work | ah lunch arrived | 01:09 |
| Burgundavia | who? | 01:09 |
| froud-work | enrico | 01:10 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 01:10 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 01:10 |
| froud-work | his boss keeps sending him away | 01:10 |
| === froud-work stuff a cheese and tomato sandwhich into his mouth | ||
| froud-work | my backside hurts from so much sitting | 01:11 |
| === froud-work has got to get a pair of those ubuntu jocks | ||
| froud-work | http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop/ | 01:15 |
| froud-work | oh and the license plate frames | 01:16 |
| Burgundavia | my ex wanted a thong | 01:16 |
| froud-work | yeah now that's what I am talking about | 01:17 |
| froud-work | Love the bib | 01:19 |
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| froud-work | hey Liz | 01:20 |
| froud-work | you want an ubuntu thong | 01:20 |
| froud-work | http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop/ | 01:20 |
| froud-work | Every Linux Chick should have one | 01:21 |
| froud-work | "for humanity" | 01:21 |
| Liz | heh.i dont like thongs | 01:21 |
| froud-work | Liz: then a teddy perhaps | 01:22 |
| Liz | yes...i like the teddys..hehe | 01:22 |
| Liz | pity they dont have other colours | 01:22 |
| Liz | white just doesnt suit me | 01:22 |
| Liz | id use the tote bag | 01:23 |
| froud-work | Liz: now you're getting picky | 01:23 |
| Liz | carry my ubuntu discs in it | 01:23 |
| Liz | ive never like white | 01:23 |
| Liz | ironic considering its my surname | 01:23 |
| froud-work | Liz: shopping could be difficult with you .. . need lot sof patience | 01:23 |
| Liz | most definitely ! | 01:23 |
| Liz | i hate shopping..lol | 01:24 |
| Liz | so when i have to do it...im picky as anything | 01:24 |
| froud-work | My wife too | 01:24 |
| Burgundavia | shopping is difficult with most women | 01:24 |
| Liz | or ill buy on impulse | 01:24 |
| Burgundavia | I think it has to do with wiring in the brain | 01:24 |
| Burgundavia | and I am not being sexist | 01:24 |
| froud-work | I have to drag he into the ladies section and buy for her | 01:24 |
| froud-work | makes for fun in the undies section | 01:24 |
| Liz | lol | 01:24 |
| froud-work | I know more about make-up than she does | 01:24 |
| Liz | mine wouldnt know what to buy if he had to take me there | 01:25 |
| Liz | good for your wife ! | 01:25 |
| Liz | i dont wear make up either | 01:25 |
| Liz | and my skin looks and feels younger than most 20 year olds who wear alot | 01:25 |
| froud-work | Oh nice | 01:25 |
| Burgundavia | aussie sun is not kind either | 01:25 |
| Liz | ooh..nice looking wiki | 01:25 |
| === froud-work starts to like Liz more and more | ||
| Liz | and the homepage is nice looking too | 01:25 |
| Liz | i rarely go out in the sun if i can help it | 01:26 |
| Liz | new zealand is cooler than aussie | 01:26 |
| daven | if you like to avoid the sun, i recommend the uk | 01:26 |
| daven | ;-) | 01:26 |
| Liz | lol | 01:26 |
| froud-work | Nah cold, give me the African bush | 01:26 |
| Liz | too much rain for me | 01:26 |
| froud-work | hot and swetty summer nights | 01:27 |
| froud-work | slip sliding away ... | 01:27 |
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| Liz | :o | 01:28 |
| froud-work | work will fix that | 01:28 |
| froud-work | c ya | 01:28 |
| Liz | bye bye | 01:28 |
| Liz | ooh ooh before you go | 01:28 |
| Burgundavia | cya | 01:28 |
| Liz | no..nevermind | 01:28 |
| Liz | ill post in forums instead..heh | 01:28 |
| froud-work | what | 01:29 |
| Burgundavia | now you have piqued my interest | 01:29 |
| froud-work | yeah me 2 | 01:29 |
| === froud-work thinks Liz is holding out on us | ||
| Liz | oh its on hte learning linux site | 01:30 |
| Liz | its not ubuntu doc stuff | 01:30 |
| froud-work | sure what about it | 01:30 |
| Burgundavia | that is fine | 01:30 |
| Burgundavia | mostly we don;t talk about docs here anyway | 01:30 |
| Liz | when you open up the course..is there a way to get it to tell you where you were last? | 01:31 |
| Liz | specially if yu leave before you finish that module | 01:31 |
| froud-work | Hmm, dunno | 01:31 |
| froud-work | you mean under moodle | 01:31 |
| Liz | yes | 01:31 |
| froud-work | I just do the src | 01:31 |
| Liz | no worries..thats why i thought id ask in forums instead | 01:32 |
| froud-work | riaan does the moodle stuff | 01:32 |
| froud-work | Liz: when you gonna start contrbuting to the LearnLinux src | 01:32 |
| Liz | ok ill send the query to him then | 01:32 |
| Liz | contributing how? | 01:33 |
| froud-work | you can checkout the docbook src | 01:33 |
| Liz | theres rarely anyone online in there when im on | 01:33 |
| froud-work | yes quite place | 01:33 |
| Liz | heh.. | 01:33 |
| froud-work | but if you want the src you can do a checkout via svn | 01:33 |
| Liz | the local uni has installed debian on their pcs just recently | 01:33 |
| Liz | ive forwarded the url to some of those interested in learning more ab out linux | 01:34 |
| froud-work | here is the svn info | 01:34 |
| froud-work | http://learnlinux.tsf.org.za/project/web-svn.html | 01:34 |
| froud-work | there are loads of bugs that we can fix | 01:34 |
| Liz | is there?..ill have a look see then | 01:35 |
| froud-work | Oh and I have a copy of the src in ubuntu-doc svn | 01:35 |
| Liz | but i dont wanna commit to more than i can handle right now | 01:35 |
| Liz | and i need to reget allt he ubuntu-doc svn as well | 01:35 |
| froud-work | small pieces from many does lots | 01:35 |
| Liz | hmm..good point | 01:35 |
| froud-work | well I am off to work | 01:36 |
| froud-work | c ya | 01:36 |
| daven | ttfn | 01:36 |
| Liz | bye bye | 01:37 |
| mdke | hi all | 01:46 |
| Burgundavia | salut | 01:46 |
| mdke | hi corey | 01:47 |
| === froud-work nods | ||
| mdke | how's things? | 01:47 |
| mdke | hi froud-work | 01:47 |
| mdke | whats all this about me being australian? | 01:47 |
| mdke | shameless lies | 01:47 |
| froud-work | my mistake you are in NZ | 01:48 |
| froud-work | I think | 01:48 |
| daven | noted :) | 01:48 |
| froud-work | mdke: did I get it right | 01:48 |
| === mdke kicks | ||
| mdke | i'm in the UK | 01:48 |
| froud-work | Oh no now Daven has company | 01:48 |
| Burgundavia | mdke is a proud englishman | 01:48 |
| Burgundavia | he even has the mold to prove it | 01:48 |
| mdke | hi daven | 01:48 |
| froud-work | mdke: meet daven | 01:48 |
| mdke | Burgundavia, heh | 01:48 |
| Burgundavia | I live on the 'wet coast' | 01:49 |
| froud-work | so who is it that is in au | 01:49 |
| mdke | mary and trickie iirc | 01:49 |
| froud-work | Burgundavia: you see the team has quadrupled | 01:49 |
| daven | hi mdke | 01:49 |
| Burgundavia | it did | 01:49 |
| froud-work | ah yes trickie | 01:49 |
| mdke | froud-work, hows the build stuff going? | 01:50 |
| froud-work | tell you tonight | 01:50 |
| mdke | heh | 01:50 |
| Liz | im the one from new zealand | 01:54 |
| Liz | tho i live in australia | 01:54 |
| Burgundavia | I was about to say | 01:54 |
| Burgundavia | I wondered when nz became part of NSW | 01:54 |
| Liz | is that mary from sydney? | 01:54 |
| mdke | maybe... | 01:55 |
| mdke | hi Liz | 01:55 |
| Liz | hi mdke | 01:55 |
| Liz | i think it is..marys part of linuxchix..as am i | 01:55 |
| mdke | yes she is | 01:55 |
| mdke | i spied on her website | 01:55 |
| Liz | yep.it was mary who told me about the documentation team for ubuntu | 01:55 |
| Liz | at the last chix meeting | 01:55 |
| froud-work | mdke: did you get your commit account sorted yet | 01:58 |
| mdke | not sure | 01:59 |
| mdke | froud-work, maybe elmo hasn't had time yet | 01:59 |
| Burgundavia | elmo has been kind of busy | 01:59 |
| mdke | lol | 01:59 |
| mdke | understatement | 02:00 |
| mdke | OT: does anyone know where current network speed is to be located? | 02:00 |
| Burgundavia | ? | 02:01 |
| mdke | i presume it can be found somewhere in /proc or something | 02:01 |
| Burgundavia | what do you mean network speed? | 02:01 |
| mdke | netstream[eth0: Receiving 0 B/s, Sending 0 B/s] | 02:01 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 02:02 |
| Burgundavia | what do you want that for? | 02:02 |
| Burgundavia | graph is a better representation | 02:02 |
| mdke | someone in #ubuntu-it asked me, he wants to test his lan i guess | 02:02 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 02:03 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 02:03 |
| mdke | you know a prog? | 02:03 |
| Burgundavia | he wants to test throughput? | 02:03 |
| mdke | guess so | 02:03 |
| Burgundavia | not off hand | 02:03 |
| Burgundavia | I love WP | 02:04 |
| Burgundavia | check out todays feature article | 02:04 |
| Burgundavia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page | 02:04 |
| mdke | k | 02:05 |
| mdke | blackadder! | 02:05 |
| mdke | :) | 02:05 |
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| daven | captain slackbladder? | 02:07 |
| mdke | heh | 02:07 |
| Liz | nite all | 02:59 |
| mdke | my god we need to rethink the wiki helponediting pages | 03:04 |
| mdke | seems people can't help but destroy the wiki | 03:04 |
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| shadowing | mdke, hi, mister samboc send me to you | 04:36 |
| mdke | hi shadowing | 04:36 |
| mdke | where is sambox | 04:36 |
| shadowing | mdke, i'm a member of the canadian local team | 04:36 |
| mdke | samboc | 04:36 |
| mdke | shadowing, pleased to meet you | 04:37 |
| mdke | <-- matt | 04:37 |
| shadowing | mdke, don'T know | 04:37 |
| shadowing | antoine | 04:37 |
| mdke | hi | 04:37 |
| mdke | whassup antoine? | 04:37 |
| shadowing | i'm here to have some informations about translation | 04:37 |
| mdke | right | 04:38 |
| shadowing | mdke, in fact i proposed myself to translate in french the cancadian loco page | 04:38 |
| mdke | cool | 04:38 |
| mdke | url? | 04:38 |
| mdke | gottit | 04:38 |
| shadowing | that the point | 04:38 |
| shadowing | i don't have any clues how to do that | 04:39 |
| shadowing | but i'm ready to learn | 04:39 |
| mdke | you mean this page: http://www.ubuntu-ca.org? | 04:39 |
| shadowing | yep | 04:39 |
| mdke | well that page is probably hosted by sabmoc? | 04:40 |
| shadowing | and he told me to mention also rosetta ??? | 04:40 |
| mdke | ok i'll explain | 04:40 |
| mdke | Rosetta is a system of translation which allows users to translate components in ubuntu | 04:40 |
| shadowing | hum | 04:40 |
| mdke | its _fairly_ easy, you just log on, choose the relevant package you wish to translate, and go | 04:40 |
| mdke | translating an independent website is different | 04:41 |
| shadowing | but ubuntu does have french ? | 04:41 |
| mdke | ? | 04:41 |
| shadowing | we're taolking about 2 differents thinks here | 04:41 |
| shadowing | the website and ubuntu | 04:41 |
| shadowing | right | 04:41 |
| mdke | yeah | 04:41 |
| mdke | ubuntu has french, but there is always more translating to do as things are updated | 04:42 |
| mdke | as far as the site is concerned, you need to speak to the site administrator | 04:42 |
| mdke | which i assume is alex | 04:42 |
| shadowing | ok and how do i know what have to be translate in ubuntu | 04:42 |
| mdke | rosetta will tell you what is done and what needs to be done | 04:43 |
| mdke | but the system is fairly young at the moment | 04:43 |
| shadowing | and where did i find this rosetta | 04:43 |
| mdke | If you like I will give you the email address of a guy who contributes actively to the french translating team | 04:43 |
| shadowing | yep | 04:43 |
| mdke | hang on a tic | 04:49 |
| mdke | in any case, you can subscribe and ask questions on the ubuntu-translators and rosetta-users mailing list | 04:50 |
| shadowing | ok | 04:51 |
| mdke | ok | 04:52 |
| mdke | paroz@email.ch | 04:52 |
| mdke | his name is Claude | 04:52 |
| shadowing | ok | 04:52 |
| mdke | he can tell you whether there is a french translating team | 04:52 |
| mdke | as for the canadian website, I think you need to talk with alex about it | 04:52 |
| shadowing | ok thanks | 04:53 |
| shadowing | for all | 04:53 |
| mdke | not a problem | 04:53 |
| shadowing | i'll try to figure it out what i have to do | 04:53 |
| mdke | btw | 04:53 |
| mdke | rosetta is found here: | 04:53 |
| mdke | http://launchpad.ubuntu.com | 04:53 |
| mdke | you can use your ubuntu.com login and password | 04:53 |
| shadowing | ok i'll try | 04:54 |
| shadowing | bye | 04:54 |
| mdke | bye :) | 04:55 |
| mdke | any more questions just come back | 04:55 |
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| mdke | yo | 04:59 |
| jsgotangco | wassup dawg | 04:59 |
| mdke | lol | 05:00 |
| jsgotangco | wow the the main site is so slow | 05:03 |
| mdke | yeah | 05:04 |
| mdke | maybe we've been slashdotted | 05:04 |
| mdke | yep | 05:04 |
| jsgotangco | oohhh | 05:04 |
| mdke | from the best-release-name-evar dept. | 05:05 |
| mdke | lol | 05:05 |
| jsgotangco | i was at #ubuntu-devel a few hours ago and everyone was there | 05:05 |
| jsgotangco | it was crazy | 05:05 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 05:05 |
| jsgotangco | like it was about to launch a shuttle | 05:05 |
| mdke | heh | 05:06 |
| jsgotangco | Yes, Mr. CEO, we're going with Hoary Hedgehog (Score:4, Funny) | 05:06 |
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| jsgotangco | arrgghh we're toast..im just going to fix wiki stuff later | 05:36 |
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| mdke | jsgotangco, what's happened? | 05:36 |
| jsgotangco | its so slow on my side | 05:37 |
| mdke | yeah here too | 05:38 |
| mdke | i think ubuntu only has 2 mirrors | 05:38 |
| jsgotangco | i havent checked the dl link but i hope it had more torrent links | 05:40 |
| mdke | well torrents don't use mirrors | 05:41 |
| mdke | i believe | 05:41 |
| jsgotangco | its more encouraged i believe | 05:41 |
| Kinnison | Torrents are certainly encouraged | 05:41 |
| mdke | i would say essential | 05:41 |
| mdke | hi Kinnison | 05:41 |
| Kinnison | hi mdke | 05:42 |
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| jsgotangco | hmmm | 05:52 |
| jsgotangco | it would be nice if the release notes for il8n were also available on the site | 05:52 |
| mdke | good idea | 05:54 |
| mdke | but there is no multilanguage stuff on the site afaik | 05:54 |
| mdke | its all on the various ubuntu-xx.org | 05:55 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm but other big projects like mandriva publish them release notes in different languages in one page or at least a link | 05:56 |
| jsgotangco | the wiki does have il8n links but not on the main page | 05:56 |
| jsgotangco | at least for the new release anyway | 05:56 |
| mdke | yeah i know | 05:57 |
| mdke | canonical would have to employ about 10 people on the site if they wanted to make it decent imo | 05:58 |
| jsgotangco | i wouldnt mind hehehe *grin* after all i am uemployed | 05:58 |
| jsgotangco | i just noticed it thats all | 05:58 |
| jsgotangco | but then, they were frantically doing finishing touches on the main site | 05:59 |
| jsgotangco | a few minutes before the official announcement by mdz | 05:59 |
| jsgotangco | if i remember right sabdfl was the one who edited the announcement at the main page because no one remembered about it | 06:00 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 06:00 |
| mdke | yeah | 06:00 |
| mdke | as froud said to me the other day | 06:00 |
| mdke | that's opensource | 06:00 |
| jsgotangco | hehe charge it to experience were learning | 06:01 |
| jsgotangco | its fun | 06:01 |
| mdke | its ok for us to learn | 06:02 |
| mdke | but the website should be a bit more professional i think | 06:02 |
| jsgotangco | i agree | 06:02 |
| mdke | the website bugs don't get assigned/fixed | 06:02 |
| mdke | maybe it could be raised at the CC or TB meeting | 06:02 |
| jsgotangco | i think the whole team should meet onetime before UDU so we can have stuff to present | 06:03 |
| mdke | well its not really a docteam issue IMO | 06:03 |
| jsgotangco | true | 06:03 |
| mdke | the stuff we've discussed on list is of course | 06:03 |
| mdke | but not this issue | 06:03 |
| jsgotangco | yah | 06:03 |
| jsgotangco | just a suggestion | 06:03 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 06:03 |
| mdke | i'll try and raise it at one of those meetings | 06:03 |
| mdke | see if they think its the appropriate forum | 06:04 |
| mdke | where are the releasenotes btw jsgotangco ? | 06:10 |
| jsgotangco | the published one? | 06:12 |
| mdke | yeah | 06:12 |
| jsgotangco | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504/document_view | 06:13 |
| mdke | you know anything about an xml2html tool? | 06:14 |
| jsgotangco | no sorry | 06:14 |
| froud-work | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504/ | 06:17 |
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| jsgotangco | hi | 06:18 |
| froud | hey | 06:18 |
| mdke | aha | 06:18 |
| froud | oh oh | 06:18 |
| mdke | hey boss you know how to convert xml to html? | 06:18 |
| froud | sure xmlto | 06:19 |
| froud | you write an xslt | 06:19 |
| jsgotangco | jeezz wikipedia is fast | 06:19 |
| mdke | hmm | 06:19 |
| froud | what type of xml is it | 06:19 |
| mdke | froud, i was thinking perhaps a conversion without having to do anything | 06:19 |
| mdke | froud, its releasenotes | 06:19 |
| froud | docbook | 06:19 |
| froud | use docbook xsl | 06:20 |
| jsgotangco | i was just wondering why the i8ln releasenotes not published on the web as well | 06:20 |
| mdke | right | 06:20 |
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| mdke | do i need docbook-xsl and xmlto? | 06:21 |
| froud | xsltproc --xinclude --stringparam base.dir dirname $(HTMLXSL) quickguide/quick-guide.xml | 06:21 |
| froud | you want to transform our release notes | 06:21 |
| froud | or some others | 06:21 |
| mdke | ours | 06:21 |
| froud | make rn | 06:21 |
| froud | you should have docbook dtd, xsl, xsltproc, xmllint installed | 06:22 |
| froud | in trunk do make rn | 06:22 |
| froud | then it will do the rest for you | 06:22 |
| mdke | docbook dtd? | 06:23 |
| froud | yep | 06:23 |
| mdke | i can't find it with apt-cache search docbook|grep dtd | 06:23 |
| froud | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ForTheHasty | 06:23 |
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| froud | sudo apt-get install docbook-xsl | 06:26 |
| mdke | ok i can understand that | 06:26 |
| froud | sudo apt-get install docbook | 06:26 |
| jsgotangco | id love to do this later when my head is clear of alcohol | 06:26 |
| froud | sudo apt-get install xmllint | 06:26 |
| froud | sudo apt-get install xsltproc | 06:26 |
| jsgotangco | ill just log :D | 06:26 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, shame on you | 06:27 |
| mdke | xmllint? | 06:27 |
| froud | oh instaled by xsltproc | 06:27 |
| froud | ignore | 06:27 |
| mdke | ok i have those | 06:27 |
| froud | go to trunk | 06:28 |
| froud | do | 06:28 |
| froud | make rn | 06:28 |
| froud | then look in the build/ | 06:28 |
| mdke | cool | 06:29 |
| mdke | hmm | 06:29 |
| froud | yeah no need to work hard once it is scripted | 06:29 |
| mdke | its only made -fr and -xh | 06:29 |
| froud | release-notes.xml | 06:29 |
| froud | release-notes.html | 06:30 |
| froud | it is there | 06:30 |
| mdke | yes | 06:30 |
| froud | there you go then | 06:30 |
| mdke | but it has made the english, french and xhosa version | 06:30 |
| mdke | not the other languages for some reason | 06:30 |
| froud | yes | 06:30 |
| froud | that is what we had at the time | 06:30 |
| mdke | oh i c | 06:31 |
| mdke | is it difficult for me to make one manually? | 06:31 |
| froud | no | 06:31 |
| mdke | am trying that command you posted | 06:32 |
| mdke | hmm | 06:33 |
| mdke | no good | 06:33 |
| mdke | htmlxsl command not found | 06:34 |
| froud | svn up in trunk | 06:35 |
| froud | do make rn | 06:35 |
| mdke | thanks man | 06:35 |
| mdke | ok i'm just unlucky | 06:36 |
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| mdke | froud, thanks for doing that | 06:37 |
| mdke | i am unlucky tho | 06:37 |
| froud | mdke: no problem | 06:37 |
| mdke | the italian one doesn't build | 06:38 |
| mdke | must be an error in the xml | 06:38 |
| froud | hold lemme check | 06:38 |
| froud | I am not happy that we never got the translations in | 06:41 |
| froud | perhaps we can do them as an update | 06:42 |
| froud | mdke: svn up | 06:42 |
| froud | do make rn | 06:42 |
| froud | This is why I am gonna script it all for next release. Fire and forget | 06:42 |
| froud | too many things to update close to release | 06:42 |
| mdke | we didn't get the translations in? | 06:43 |
| mdke | i didn't know that | 06:43 |
| jsgotangco | huh? | 06:43 |
| froud | Not they are in | 06:43 |
| froud | the html | 06:43 |
| froud | the xml is there | 06:43 |
| mdke | phewwwwwww | 06:43 |
| froud | we did not ship html | 06:43 |
| jsgotangco | you mean the html for the site | 06:43 |
| mdke | you nearly gave me heart failure | 06:43 |
| froud | yeah | 06:43 |
| froud | no all the xml that was in got shipped | 06:43 |
| jsgotangco | thats what we were talking about before you came back | 06:43 |
| froud | yeah the html never got shipped | 06:44 |
| mdke | :) | 06:44 |
| froud | you have italian now:-) | 06:44 |
| mdke | yeah thanks :))) | 06:44 |
| mdke | i'm gonna send around | 06:45 |
| froud | basically the new build system will not rely on anyone updating the make file | 06:45 |
| froud | so long as there is an xml it will do it automatically | 06:45 |
| froud | so as soon as we svn add a po file we will get an xml and html | 06:46 |
| jsgotangco | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Alexander_VI | 06:49 |
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| mdke | ok i need to go | 06:50 |
| mdke | thanks a million froud | 06:50 |
| froud | no worries c ya | 06:50 |
| mdke | cya soon | 06:50 |
| jsgotangco | ok im gonna sleep | 06:57 |
| jsgotangco | see ya | 06:57 |
| froud | jsgotangco: c ya | 06:57 |
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| hsprang | hy, I'd like to ask, if somebody knows what happend to the howto section on the ubuntu website? | 09:49 |
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